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[Case #24-088CP]
FORWARD WITH CASE 24 DASH 0 8 8 CP MILLER FARM.THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN FOR APPROXIMATELY 113 UNIT DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE APPROXIMATELY 46 AND A HALF ACRE SITE IS ZONED R RURAL AND IS LOCATED EAST OF COS GRAY, APPROXIMATELY 13 FEET SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION WITH RINGS ROAD.
THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE OUR APPLICANT FORWARD FOR THE CASE PRESENTATION.
UH, MY NAME IS GREG OG, LAND PLANNER, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH EDGE THREE 30 WEST SPRING STREET, SUITE THREE 50, COLUMBUS, OHIO, 4 3 2 1 5.
UM, AGAIN, THANKS FOR LETTING US PRESENT TONIGHT.
UH, WE WANT TO THANK THE STAFF AS WELL FOR GETTING US ON THIS EVENING.
UM, BUT WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU WITH A NEW PROJECT.
UM, UH, IT'S, IT'S BEING PREPARED BY SCHOTTENSTEIN HOMES.
UM, WE'VE KIND OF GONE BACK TO BASICS.
UH, WE'RE BRINGING A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT FEATURES WHAT WE DO BEST.
UM, AND THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ARCHITECTURALLY THEMED COMMUNITIES.
UM, SCHOTTENSTEIN HOMES HAS 46 AND A HALF ACRES OF THE MILLER PROPERTY UNDER CONTROL TODAY.
UH, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, BUT THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT TODAY.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING THE BEST WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
UM, SCHOTTENSTEIN HOMES IS INVESTING IN THIS SMALL INFILL SITE, AND WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD A UNIQUE SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCT LINE.
UM, IT'S TAILORED FOR THIS SITE, THIS SMALL SITE, UH, AND IT, AND IT INCORPORATES THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINE CONCEPTS.
SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE IN A BIT.
UH, THE FIRST THING I WANNA TOUCH ON IS, IS THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN AND THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN.
THAT'S, THAT'S IN THAT, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS IN, IN DRAFT FORM, BUT WE'VE REALLY LOOKED AT THIS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT, UM, AND INCORPORATE THE IDEAS AND THE CONCEPTS THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT FORWARD IN THAT PLAN.
UM, AND ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THIS SPECIFIC SITE.
UM, OUR SITE, UH, IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, UH, SLIDE IS WEST OF THE NUMBER THREE AND NORTH OF THE NUMBER 11.
UM, SO THAT'S ABOUT THE 46 ACRES SITE THAT YOU SEE THERE.
UM, BOUNDED BY THE PROPOSED TU CROSSING BOULEVARD ON THE NORTH, UH, THE RAILROAD TO THE EAST COSWAY ROAD TO THE WEST, AND SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN COLUMBUS ON THE SOUTH OF US.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE WERE LOOKING THROUGH THAT PLAN, ONE, ONE THING JUMPED OUT AT ME AND I WANTED TO KIND OF, TO USE THAT AS KIND OF OUR GUIDELINES FOR TONIGHT.
UM, AND IT SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN RELATIVE TO THE RAILROAD TO CAUSE GRAY ROAD AND HOW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE TREATED IN THAT AREA.
AND IT SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT SOUTH OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD.
IT TALKS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT SHOULD CONSIST OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT SETBACKS FROM THE RAILROAD AND TOTAL CROSSING BOULEVARD, AND UTILIZE RETENTION BASINS AND LANDSCAPE FEATURES TO OCCUPY THE SETBACK AREAS.
UM, I THINK WHAT YOU SEE AS WE BRING THE PLAN FORWARD, THAT WE TOOK THAT TO HEART
I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTHWHILE NOTING.
UM, THIS, THE CONTEXT OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE WORLD.
UM, AGAIN, THE RAILROAD RUNS, UH, ON THE EAST OF OUR SITE, COS GRAY ROAD ON THE WEST.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU SEE THERE IS, IS IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS.
THAT'S THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT TODAY.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT WHAT IS OUT THERE TODAY, AND AS WE BRING THIS SITE IN, WHAT MAKES IT RELEVANT TODAY? WHAT MAKES IT MARKETABLE TODAY, AND WHAT MAKES IT FIT IN WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE.
SO IT'S GOT MALT, IT'S GOT A LOT OF THINGS THAT'S GOTTA HAPPEN TO IT.
IT'S GOTTA BE READY TO SELL TODAY, READY TO BUILD TODAY, BE MARKETABLE, AND BE, UH, PROTECT THAT INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, SO AS YOU LOOK AROUND THIS, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT FOR WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH OF US, 3000 FEET TO THE WEST IS NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DEVELOPMENT.
3000 FEET TO THE NORTH TO RINGS ROAD ISN'T A WHOLE LOT OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND CERTAINLY 3000 FEET TO THE EAST OF THOSE RAILROAD TRACKS, THERE ISN'T A WHOLE LOT OF DEVELOPMENT.
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YEARS WHEN WE'RE REDOING THE, THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN TWO, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THAT TU CROSSING BOULEVARD MAY COME ACROSS THOSE RAILROAD TRACKS.UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ABOUT WHAT'S THERE TODAY AND WHAT MAY BE THERE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, OUR SITE PLAN, UM, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT ABOUT HOW TO, HOW TO EXPLAIN THIS.
SO I WANNA GO BACK TO THE, THE DESCRIPTION THAT WAS IN THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN.
IT SHOULD CONSIST OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES CHECK.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING 113 DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON 52 FOOT WIDE LOTS.
UM, THEY'RE ORGANIZED ON A, ON A TRADITIONAL MODIFIED GRID, UH, THAT PICKS UP ON THE, THE, THE FRAMEWORK THAT'S ESTABLISHED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH IN, IN COLUMBUS.
UM, NUMBER TWO, SIGNIFICANT SETBACKS FROM THE RAILROAD AND TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD CHECK.
UM, OUR SETBACK FROM THE RAILROAD VARIES FROM 150 FEET UP TO 350 FEET.
UH, THE SETBACK TO THE ACTUAL HOME, THAT'S TO THE LOT LINE TO THE HOME.
WE'RE AT ABOUT 180 FEET PLUS UP TO 400 FEET.
UM, SO WE THINK WE'VE DONE THAT.
UM, OUR SETBACKS ALONG TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD VARY.
THEY VARY FROM PROBABLY A HUNDRED FEET AT MINIMUM, UP TO MAYBE A HUNDRED AND THIRTY, A HUNDRED FORTY FIVE FEET.
NOW, IN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THESE SETBACKS IS DIFFERENT.
UH, THE WAY WE'RE GONNA TREAT THAT ALONG THE RAILROAD IS DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY WE WOULD TREAT THAT ALONG TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD.
AND THE WAY THAT WE TREAT IT ALONG TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD VARIES, VARIES FROM THE ENTRANCE OFF OF COS GRAY.
IT VARIES AS YOUR TREATMENT AROUND THE, THE, UH, THE LANDMARK OAK TREE THAT IS THERE IN THAT CENTRAL PARK.
AND THEN IT ALSO VARIES AS YOU GO FURTHER EAST OF THE, THE EASTERN MOST, UH, ACCESS POINT IN ANTICIPATION OF THAT, UH, FLYOVER OF THE, UH, THE RAILROAD.
SO THAT WILL ALSO RECEIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TREATMENT.
UM, OUR SITE, OUR SITE HAS 14 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S ABOUT 30% ON THE GROSS.
UH, IT'S ABOUT 34% ON THE NET.
UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NET, WE'RE PROVIDING ABOUT FIVE ACRES OF RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, EXTENSION ACCESS TO OUR SITE WILL COME OFF OF ONE POINT, FULL ACCESS POINT OFF A COS GRAY.
AND THEN WE WILL PROVIDE TWO SECONDARY ACCESS POINTS OFF OF THAT, UH, TU CROSSING BOULEVARD LANE, UH, INTO OUR SITE.
WE WILL, UM, UTILIZE THE EXISTING STREET STUBS THAT ARE IN HAYDEN FARMS AND EXTEND THOSE INTO AND THROUGH OUR SITE AS WELL.
UM, A COUPLE OF THE SITE FEATURES I THINK ARE INTERESTING IS THAT IF YOU FOLLOW ALONG, UH, IF YOU PICK UP ANYWHERE ON THESE STREETS AND YOU JUST FOLLOW THE STREET, AT SOME POINT YOU END IN OPEN SPACE.
WHEREVER YOU LIVE ON THIS STREET, IF YOU GET OUT AND YOU WALK, YOU'RE GONNA ENCOUNTER OPEN SPACE.
AND I THINK THE FURTHEST POINT AWAY FROM ANY OPEN SPACE IS SIX HOUSES.
UM, WE'VE KEPT OUR BLOCK SHORT.
THEY'RE IN ABOUT A 300 FOOT RANGE THAT'S VERY WALKABLE.
WE'RE PROPOSING SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, ALL CONNECTING TOWARDS THAT, THOSE PERIMETER GREENWAYS, UM, THAT WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE, UH, REGIONAL SHARE USE PATH ACCESS.
UM, A COUPLE OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, THE PERIMETER SETBACKS IN THE PERIMETER GREEN SPACES.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS AND CREATE A COUPLE SMALLER, MORE INTIMATE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE SCALED PARKS.
UM, YOU CAN SEE ONE AT H UH, ON THE WEST.
AND IN THESE, I THINK THERE'S, THESE CAN BE PROGRAMMED FOR MULTIPLE THINGS.
I THINK ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CONCEPTS HERE IS THAT, UM, WE UTILIZE SOME OF THE, UH, THE WAY WE DISTRIBUTE THE MAIL IN THE, UH, COMMUTING MAILBOXES IS TO SPREAD THOSE OUT THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND NOT JUST CREATE MAILBOXES, BUT CREATE SOME TYPE OF GATHERING FACILITY OUT OF THOSE AND USE THOSE AS KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND ELEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE LANDSCAPE.
UM, WE ALS WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING, UH, SOME GREENWAY CUT THROUGHS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO YOU CAN WORK YOUR WAY EAST TO WEST THROUGH THE SITE, UH, AND AGAIN, END UP ON PARKS GREENWAYS AS, AS YOU SEE FIT.
THIS IS JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE MORE, UH, IN DEPTH LOOK AT HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THE OPEN SPACES AND THE, AND THE VARIETY OF OPEN SPACES AND OPEN SPACES TYPES THAT WE THINK ARE GONNA EXIST ON THE SITE.
UM, COUPLE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE INTERESTING AND, AND WORTH NOTING IS ALONG COS GRAY ROAD AND ALONG OUR ENTRANCE OFF OF COS GRAY, WE HAVE BACKS THERE.
AND WE KIND OF SEE THAT AS MORE OF A, UH, YOUR, YOUR TYPICAL
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RURAL GREENWAY, UM, THAT YOU WOULD SEE LARGER SETBACK, LANDSCAPING.UM, WE ARE INCLUDING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IN ALL OF OUR SETBACKS AROUND THE PERIMETER.
AS YOU TRAVEL FURTHER EAST ALONG THE, OUR ENTRY DRIVE OFF OF CO COS GRAY, WE HAVE FRONTED HOMES THERE.
AND WE'VE DONE THAT BECAUSE WE THINK WE WANNA MAKE THAT MORE OF A, A, A COMMUNITY PARK ELEMENT, MORE OF A FEATURE, UH, AND PROVIDE THAT ARCHITECTURAL BACKDROP TO THAT.
UM, SO WE THINK THAT THAT PERIMETER TREATMENT CHANGES IN, IN, IN HOW WE'RE USING IT AS FROM A GREENWAY TO MORE OF A PARK ELEMENT.
UM, SOMETHING TO BE PROGRAMMED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
AS WE GO FURTHER EAST ALONG TUTTLE, UH, PAST OUR SECOND EASTERNMOST ENTRY, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE LOCATED SIDES OF HOUSES ON THAT.
AND THAT IS IN, IN ANTICIPATION OF THE FUTURE FLYOVER AND RAMP THAT IS GONNA BE REQUIRED TO GET OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
WE THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO PROVIDE STREET SCAPES THAT ARE INTERNAL TO US, THAT HAVE A CONSISTENT FRONT PORCH ELEMENT AND LET THOSE SIDES KIND OF MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF THE FLYOVER.
UM, AS OPPOSED TO CREATING A CONDITION WHERE WE HAVE MIGHT HAVE A FRONT PORCH.
AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO THAT WE HAVE A CONDITION WHERE WE HAVE A BACK OF A HOUSE UP TO OUR SIDE.
AND I THINK THE WAY WE TREAT THAT, THAT PERIMETER GREEN SPACE THERE, AGAIN, AS A GREENWAY, UM, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A DESTINATION.
IT'S SOMETHING YOU PASS THROUGH THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME DESTINATIONS IN IT ALONG THE RAILROAD.
WE THINK THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WILL BE HANDLED BY BOTH WET AND VEGETATED SWES, UH, PLANTED AREAS.
WE THINK WE CAN USE IT AS A THEME IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND CREATE SOME INTEREST IN THAT PERIMETER LANDSCAPE.
AND ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE CREATING THERE IS KIND OF THAT GREEN EDGE ALONG TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD, UM, AND WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE, WE'RE ADDING THAT ARCHITECTURAL BACKDROP, UM, TO KIND OF GIVE THAT DEFINING LINE TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
UH, THIS SLIDE JUST BASICALLY WANNA TALK ABOUT OUR PRODUCT AND WHAT WE'RE BRINGING.
UH, I TALKED ABOUT A UNIQUE PRODUCT.
STEIN HOMES IS, IS STILL CURRENTLY DEVELOPING THIS FOOTPRINT, BUT, BUT WHAT WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD IS, IS A PRODUCT THAT'S PROBABLY YOU CAN CHARACTERIZE AS LOCALLY, TRADITIONALLY INSPIRED ARCHITECTURE.
UM, WE ARE INCLUDING FRONT PORCHES, SIGNIFICANT FRONT PORCHES, SIX TO EIGHT FEET IN DEPTH.
WE'RE BRINGING THOSE FRONT PORCHES UP TOWARDS THE SIDEWALK TO 12 TO 20 FEET AWAY.
I THINK THE OTHER SIGNIFICANT MOVE THAT WE ARE MAKING HERE, UM, THAT YOU'RE IS VERY ATYPICAL, UM, OF THESE TYPES OF HOME BUILDERS IS WE'RE SETTING THAT GARAGE BACK 18 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THAT, FRONT OF THAT PORCH.
SO WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD THE PEOPLE SPACES, WE'RE MOVING BACK THE CAR SPACES.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT MOVE, UM, AND REALLY ADDS A LOT OF CHARACTER TO OUR STREET SCAPES INTERNALLY.
UM, AND TO THE CHARACTER OF THE, THE SITE IN GENERAL.
UM, WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING THE, THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AREAS IN THE REAR, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER WE DEFINE THAT WHEN WE GET TO PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHETHER THAT'S A, A REAR YARD SETBACK IN A NO BUILD ZONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE TERMINOLOGY MAY BE, BUT WE ARE ACCOUNTING FOR AN AREA OF AT LEAST 15 FEET IN DEPTH, UM, AND 15 FEET AWAY FROM THE REAR LOT LINE THAT WILL BE RESERVED FOR ADDITIONAL PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
I THINK THAT ACCOUNTS TO ABOUT 600 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THE STANDARD MAY BE 400 OR FOUR 50.
UM, THIS IS JUST A A, A REAL QUICK LOOK AT THE, UH, THE APPROACH TO THE ARCHITECTURE.
NOTICE THE VERTICAL MASSING, UM, OF THE, THE PORCH ELEMENT, NARROW VERTICAL, REALLY TRADITIONAL IN CHARACTER.
UM, SOME OF THESE UNITS MAY HAVE SPACE ABOVE THE GARAGE, SOME MAY NOT.
WE ARE WORKING ON OPPORTUNITIES FOR SIDE LOW GARAGES WHERE THOSE MIGHT WORK ON THE SITE.
STEVE REALLY WANTS TO GET THOSE WORKED INTO THAT.
SO, UM, WE THINK THIS IS A REALLY UNIQUE PRODUCT.
AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS AN ARCHITECTURALLY THEMED COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE KIND OF PICKING UP ON WHAT WE THINK IS A LOCAL CHARACTER, LOCAL FLAVOR, AND IT'S TRADITIONAL.
AND IT'S PICKING UP ON THAT, CONTINUING THAT, UH, FRAMEWORK OF THE TRADITIONAL CHARACTER FROM THE DEVELOPMENT IN COLUMBUS, SOUTH OF US IN COLUMBUS.
UH, WE JUST WANNA SHOW YOU KIND OF MAYBE SOME CONTEXT OF WHAT THE DEVELOPED SITE MAY LOOK LIKE.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO SHOW HOW WE'RE CONTINUING THE, THE PATTERN ESTABLISHED IN COLUMBUS.
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SO AS WE TRANSITION INTO DUBLIN, WE'RE CONTINUING THAT IDEA OF TRADITIONAL ROADWAY NETWORKS, BUT IT'S KIND OF A MODIFIED GRID.UM, THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE NOOKS AND CRANNIES IN THIS SITE PLAN, A LOT OF INTEREST SHORT, UH, SHORT STREETS, WALKABLE STREETS WITH DESTINATIONS OF OPEN SPACE.
SO THIS IS A VIEW THAT FEATURES THE, THE GREEN SPACE ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND SHOWS YOU THAT GREEN EDGE ALONG WHAT WILL BE THE FUTURE TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD.
YOU CAN SEE THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THERE.
THIS KIND OF FLIPS YOU AROUND TO, TO LOOK AT IT FROM COS GRAY.
SO YOU CAN REALLY GET A SENSE OF THE, THE PERIMETER SPACES ALONG COS GRAY AND TIDAL CROSSING.
UH, YOU CAN ALSO START TO SEE THE, THE, UM, THE APPEARANCE OF THAT COMMUNITY PARK THAT FEATURES THE, UH, THE LANDMARK TREE.
THIS IS A RENDERING THAT SHOWS WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING IN THE SCALE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE LARGER PARK THAT IS ON THE, THE WESTERN EDGE.
UM, BUT THIS COULD BE PROGRAMMED WITH, LIKE I SAID, THOSE COMMUNITY GATHERING ELEMENTS FOR MAILBOXES, UH, WHATEVER, WHATEVER ELSE WE CAN COME UP WITH.
BUT THEY WILL BE PROGRAMMED, PROGRAMMED OUT AS WE MOVE ALONG.
UH, AND FRANKLY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR INPUT ON WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN THESE, IN THESE PARK SPACES.
UM, WE WANNA BE VERY, UH, VERY TARGETED WITH WHERE WE, WHERE WE POPULATE OUR PARKS WITH AMENITIES.
UM, WE WANNA CREATE DESTINATIONS, UH, WE WANNA CREATE FEATURES, AND THEN EVERYWHERE ELSE WE WANT TO KIND OF CREATE A LOW MAINTENANCE, UH, LOW IMPACT TO THE HOA
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE KIND OF UTILIZING THAT, UM, STORM WATER AND NATURALIZED STORM BASINS ALONG THAT PERIMETER.
THIS IS A VIEW THAT REALLY STARTS TO SHOW KIND OF WHAT THAT COMMUNITY PARK ALONG TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD COULD TURN INTO.
UM, BUT AGAIN, SHOWING THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE FACING THE HOUSES TO THE STREET THERE.
UM, WITH THE LANDMARK TREE KIND OF DOWN IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND OF THAT, UM, IMAGE, THAT LANDMARK TREE IS A 72 INCH WHITE OAK TREE.
IT'S, IT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT AND IT'S KIND OF, IT, IT WAS THE ORGANIZING ELEMENT FOR, FOR THE, TO WORK AROUND ON THIS SITE.
UM, SO WE DID PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THAT.
UM, A COUPLE THINGS IN CLOSING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UM, A COUPLE THINGS I WANNA POINT OUT.
YOU KNOW, WE MET WITH STAFF ON THIS SITE PLAN BACK IN APRIL.
WE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK, SOME VERY, UH, POSITIVE FEEDBACK.
UH, WE WENT OUT AND MET WITH THE NEIGHBOR GROUPS, UH, ON MAY 16TH AND MAY 31ST.
WE MET WITH, UH, BOARD MEMBERS FROM BOTH THE HAY AND RUN NORTH AND HAY AND RUN SOUTH, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS.
SO WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEM.
THE REPORT FROM THEM IS, THEY'RE HAPPY THAT THIS IS SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, I THINK WHAT THEY'VE SEEN BEFORE WHERE THEY WERE A LITTLE SCARED, UM, DIDN'T LIKE IT.
UM, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS PALATABLE.
SO I'M GONNA END IT THERE AND I'M GONNA PASS IT OFF TO BASSAM.
I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR STAFF PRESENTATION.
UH, WANTED TO START BY JUST, UH, IDENTIFYING WHERE THIS IS IN THE PROCESS AT THIS POINT.
UM, THE CONCEPT PLAN IS A VERY EARLY STEP IN THE PROCESS FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, LIKE, UH, THIS ONE.
UH, IT DOES REQUIRE REZONING ON MULTIPLE REVIEWS.
SO, UH, TONIGHT, UH, THE REVIEW IS A NON-BINDING FEEDBACK, UH, JUST CONSIDERING ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THE BIKEWAY, UH, PLAN AND NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
UH, THE NEXT STEP IF IT MOVES FORWARD, WOULD BE THE REZONING AND PRELIMINARY PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THEN IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, COMES BACK HERE FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEFORE THEY CAN, UH, APPLY FOR PERMITTING.
SO AGAIN, WE ARE AT A VERY EARLY STAGE AT THIS TIME.
THE, UH, PROPERTY AT THIS POINT IS ZONED R RURAL, WHICH IS MUCH OF THE, UH, AREA IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING IT.
THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
UH, YOU'LL SEE ON THE MAP, AND AS MR. CHELLO MENTIONED, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH IS IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS.
AND THERE ARE SOME POCKETS, UH, TO THE NORTH AND NORTHWEST THAT ARE IN WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP.
THE, UH, SITE HAS BEEN FARMED.
SO, UH, OTHER THAN THE LANDMARK TREE, THERE'S, UH, NO SIGNIFICANT FEATURES AT, AT THIS TIME.
AND THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, SHOWED THE TUNNEL CROSSING, UH, RIGHT OF WAY GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT.
UH, SINCE THEN THERE'S BEEN, UH, MUCH CONSIDERATION
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AND THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT, WHICH IS REFLECTED IN THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN, WHICH I SHOULD MENTION, IT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL.IT DOESN'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AUGUST 1ST.
SO WE ARE IN THAT IN BETWEEN, UH, PHASE.
UH, BUT THAT, UH, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT IS, UH, GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT THINKING ABOUT THE ALIGNMENT OF, UH, THE TALL CROSSING EXTENSION.
THE, UH, MR. CHILLA MENTIONED SOME OF THE SETBACKS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
TYPICALLY, UH, IT'S BEEN 200 FEET, UH, REQUIRED OFF OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND, UH, AND CER CERTAIN SETBACKS ALONG THE TOTAL CROSSING.
UH, DURING PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WHEN THE APPLICANT WAS HERE WITH A DIFFERENT CONCEPT THAT ENCOMPASSED A LARGER AREA, UH, THE COMMISSION SEEMED TO BE WILLING TO LOOK AT SOME LESSER SETBACK, UH, UH, POSSIBLY, UH, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS IF THE OTHER ELEMENTS WERE TO MITIGATE, UH, ANY IMPACTS.
AND SO WITH THIS ONE, THERE ARE SOME, UH, SMALLER SETBACKS, BUT GENERALLY THE, UH, SITE IS SURROUNDED BY COS THE CSX TRACKS AND THE, UH, FUTURE TALL CROSSING BOULEVARD.
AS YOU, UH, LOOK AT IT MENTIONED THE LANDMARK TREE IS THE ONE SIGNIFICANT NATURAL FEATURE.
SO WE ARE GLAD THAT THE APPLICANT IS USING THAT AS PART OF THE THEME FOR THE, UH, OPEN SPACE FOR THIS PROJECT.
THE, UH, ACCESS O OTHER THAN COSWAY ROAD, UM, AGAIN MENTIONED EARLIER, IS THE THREE STOP STREETS FROM THE SOUTH, UH, WHICH, UM, WERE OBVIOUSLY DESIGNED TO REFLECT THAT ACCESS.
AND IT'S, UH, OTHERWISE, UH, GENERALLY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF THE, UH, UH, INTENT OF THE NEW PLAN IN VISION DUBLIN PLAN.
IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY TRANSITIONING FROM THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS IN COLUMBUS, WHICH ARE ABOUT UP TO SIX UNITS PER ACRE, UH, THIS ONE WOULD BE ABOUT 2.4 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN THEN, UH, ANTICIPATES THAT DENSITY INCREASING AS YOU GET FURTHER NORTH TOWARDS BLEM, UH, FROM THREE TO 12 IS THE, UH, EXPECTATION MENTIONED.
THE, UH, ALIGNMENT OF, UH, THE FUTURE ACCENTURE OF TOTAL CROSSING, THE NEW ENVISIONED DUBLIN PLAN.
AGAIN, NOT YET IN EFFECT, BUT IT ENVISIONS 180 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, UH, WHICH, UH, WOULD BE BEYOND THE, UH, LIMITS OF WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE CURRENT PLAN.
AND SO POTENTIAL, UM, STUDY OF HOW THAT RIGHT OF WAY TRANSLATES AS IT WINDS, UM, DOWN TOWARDS COS GRAY ROAD.
UH, THERE MAY BE SOME, UH, DESIGN ELEMENTS THERE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AS BEING PROPOSED.
THE, UH, APPLICATION MATERIALS INDICATE A HUNDRED 16TH FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT, UH, PLAN DOCUMENT.
THE, UH, OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK, WHICH IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, CALLED FOR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH APPLY IN THIS CASE SINCE THERE IS REZONING TO PUD.
UM, AGAIN, SO FOCUS ON THE, UH, LANDMARK TREE AND THEN THE CORRIDORS ALONG THE, UH, PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
AND, UH, AS YOU THEN LOOK AT THE, UH, SPECIFIC DETAILS OF THE APPLICATION, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS THAT OPEN SPACE, UH, CONNECTIVITY, UH, THEME THAT MR. ELLO TALKED ABOUT.
AND WE APPRECIATE THAT, UH, WAY TO CONNECT THE DIFFERENT OPEN SPACES.
UH, STAFF IS SUGGESTING THAT THERE MAY BE POTENTIAL FOR SOME ADDED CONNECTIVITY SO THAT IT, UH, EXTENDS ACROSS THE WHOLE, UH, DEVELOPMENT FROM EAST TO WEST.
AND THAT, UH, THE THEME THAT'S, UH, REQUIRED TO BE, UH, CREATED FOR A DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT COULD BE, UH, UH, A SPINE, UM, THAT WOULD INTEGRATE WITHIN THAT THEME.
THIS WOULD ALSO, UH, WORK BEST IF THERE IS A HIERARCHY OF THE ROADWAY SYSTEM.
AND SO IT MAY BE A HEIGHTENED LANDSCAPING TREATMENT, UH, ALONG THE GLOCK ROAD EXTENSION RIGHT OF WAY THAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, UH, OF THE GRAPHIC HERE.
AND THEN POSSIBLE FOCAL POINTS AT THE INTERSECTIONS OF THOSE, UH, KEY ORGANIZING ELEMENTS WITH THE, UH, GREEN SPACE, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT IS ALREADY, AS MR. CHAONG MENTIONED, IS ALREADY PLANNING ON CERTAIN FOCAL POINTS.
WE THINK THAT THOSE COULD BE ENHANCED AGAIN WITH ONE TO THE EAST, ALONG WITH THE ONE WITHIN THAT CENTRAL
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GREEN TOWARDS COS GRAY ROAD.THE, UH, STAFF REPORT INDICATED THAT, UH, THERE MAY BE A POSSIBILITY FOR SOME OF THESE UNITS TO FRONT ON, UH, TUNNEL CROSSING.
I THINK MR. CHALA MAKES A COMPELLING ARGUMENT IN TERMS OF A FUTURE EXTENSION OF, UH, TUTTLE CROSSING, BECAUSE THAT WOULD ENTAIL A BRIDGE OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
UM, AND SO IT, IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT THAT AS THE, UH, PROJECT PROGRESSES AND WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST ALIGNMENT.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, THE IMPACT OF, UH, THE GRADING THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE BRIDGE ON WHERE SOME OF THE STORMWATER FACILITIES THAT ARE, UH, BEING SHOWN AT THIS TIME.
AND SOME OF THE PEDESTRIAN, UM, ENHANCEMENTS WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AS SOME OF THE DETAILS START TO, UH, BE FINALIZED.
UH, ALSO THE STAFF REPORT BASED ON THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE INTENT TO TRY TO CREATE A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS SUGGESTED THAT POTENTIALLY THERE COULD BE, UH, SOME TOWN HOME UNITS THERE ALONG THE TALL CROSSING BOULEVARD.
AND SO THAT SOME OF THOSE, UH, BOXES IN ORANGE WERE ALSO HIGHLIGHTED AS POTENTIAL, UH, LOCATIONS.
THE, UH, I THINK STAFF STILL FEELS THAT EVEN IF THE SIDES SIZE OF HOUSES FACED, UH, TOWARDS TOTAL CROSSING IN CERTAIN AREAS, THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER POSSIBILITIES TOWARDS THOSE GREENS WHERE THE FRONT SHOULD FACE THE, UH, PUBLIC REALM.
IN TERMS OF THE, UH, BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, UH, THE, UH, STAFF IS ENCOURAGED BY THE LAYOUT OF THE, UH, BUILDINGS WITH THE GARAGES IN THE BACK, TECHNICALLY BASED ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
UH, THE SETBACK OF THE GARAGE, UH, FROM THE FRONT EDGE OF THE PORCH IS SUPPOSED TO BE 20 FEET.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 18.
THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO GET THE CAR BEYOND THE FRONT EDGE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THIS MIGHT BE OKAY, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW THE, UH, UH, GARAGE, THE AREAS ABOVE THE GARAGE DOORS ARE DETAILED AND POTENTIALLY WITH SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND, UH, UH, SIMILAR TREATMENTS.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT AS THE PROJECT PROGRESSES.
THE, UH, OTHER PIE IS THE VIGNETTES THAT THEY PROVIDED.
THE SITE, UH, SAMPLE SITE PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE IMAGE, UH, WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF THE BIGGEST HOUSE ON THE SMALLEST LOT TO GET A COMFORT LEVEL THAT THOSE, UH, ESPECIALLY BACKYARD AREAS WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO ADD PATIOS AND OTHER AMENITIES THAT THEY'RE GONNA COMFORTABLY FIT.
AND SIMILARLY, UM, IF THERE ARE GONNA BE ANY EASEMENTS ACROSS THE BACKS OF SOME OF THOSE UNITS, THEN UH, THOSE NEED TO BE ALSO POTENTIALLY HIGHLIGHTED OR EXCLUDED FROM, UH, THE BUILDABLE AREA OF THE LOT.
UH, WE DO THINK ALSO ON THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE, UH, IT BUTS UP TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD IN COLUMBUS.
THERE'S A THREE LINE RIGHT NOW AND, UH, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, UH, BE PUT IN A, A PRESERVATION EASEMENT OR A, OR A NOBEL ZONE AT THAT LOCATION.
THE, UH, HOUSES, UH, THERE IS SOME VARIETY IN TERMS OF THE ROOF SHAPES AND, AND SOME OF THE MATERIALS.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT SOME ADDITIONAL VARIETY MAY BE EVEN FLIPPING THE ORIENTATION OF SOME OF THE HOUSES.
UM, MAYBE ADDING SOME SIDE LOAD GARAGE OPTIONS, AS MR. ELLO MENTIONED, OR ADDING SOME DIFFERENT OR ADDITIONAL SIDING MATERIALS WOULD, WOULD HELP INCREASE THE VARIETY IN THERE.
AND SIMILARLY THEN, WITH THE LOT SIZES, UH, THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, UH, USUALLY REQUIRE A VARIETY OF LOT SIZES.
SO WE WOULD, UH, BE LOOKING AT SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS AS THE MOVE, UH, THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.
UM, I MENTIONED THE GARAGE DOORS.
UH, THERE ARE SOME IMAGES THAT SHOW PERGOLAS ABOVE THOSE, AND WE DO THINK THOSE TYPES OF DETAILS WOULD HELP MITIGATE THESE SMALLER OFFSETS.
SO WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THOSE TO BE USED MAYBE AS A, POTENTIALLY AS A REQUIREMENT RATHER THAN AN OPTION.
AND SO WITH THAT, WE ARE, UH, WE FRAMED A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ONE IS WHETHER THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED DENSITY AND AND CONCEPTUAL SITE LAYOUT.
DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT SETBACKS ALONG TOTAL CROSSING BOULEVARD AND THE RAILROAD AS SHOWN? UH, IS THE COMMISSION SATISFIED WITH THE OPEN SPACE LOCATIONS AND PRESERVATION OF NATURAL FEATURES? DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE CONCEPTUAL PRODUCT TYPE AND ITS ARCHITECTURAL DENSITY? AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED WITH THE, UH, JUST GOING BACK TO
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THE OPEN SPACE, UH, REQUIREMENTS, UH, THE, UH, STORM WATER AREAS FOR THOSE TO COUNT, UH, TOWARDS THE, UH, PUBLIC OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES FRAMEWORK, UH, WOULD HAVE TO BE ACTIVATED.AND SO THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, PLUGIN AND PULL IN TERMS OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BUFFERING ALONG THE ROADWAY SYSTEM VERSUS MAKING THEM, UH, MORE USABLE AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AMENITIES.
BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CASE PRESENTATION.
WE WILL HANDLE QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT AND FOR STAFF AT THE SAME TIME.
SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS.
AND JUST A REMINDER, THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS THIS EVENING, WE'LL DO QUESTIONS WILL ALLOW TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN WILL THE COMMISSION DELIBERATE ON THE CASE.
LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS, UH, MR. GARVIN, SO JUST TWO QUICK ONES FOR BESAM.
UH, I SAW IN THE 2013 PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY GO UNDER THAT RAILROAD TRACK.
IS THAT CHANGED FOR THE CURRENT PLAN? THEY INTEND TO GO OVER IT.
THE CURRENT PLANS WOULD BE TO GO OVER THE RAILROAD.
AND THEN, UH, COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR COMMENT ON THE TOWNHOME SO I WASN'T CLEAR WHAT YOU SAID THERE, THERE, THERE WAS A PREVIOUS PROPOSAL FOR THIS, UH, AREA ALONG WITH SOME PARCELS TO THE NORTH THAT WERE PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANTS BEFORE THAT INCLUDED A TOWN HOME, UH, COMPONENT.
UH, THE GENERALLY, UH, WE RI WE ADVOCATE FOR A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES.
SO THAT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT POTENTIALLY THERE COULD BE A FEW TOWN HOMES INCORPORATED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I CAN WAIT IF IT'S BETTER.
ORGANIZATIONALLY, WE CAN DO QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT.
WE WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT UP AT THE SAME TIME SO THAT WAY WE CAN DOUBLE TIP ON QUESTIONS TO BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.
SO, UM, I GUESS THERE WAS, I, MY QUESTION WAS AROUND THE DENSITY.
WHAT WAS THE TOTAL FOR GREEN SPACE AND RETENTION? DID YOU SAY ABOUT 15 ACRES? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO ON THE GROSS ACREAGE OF 46 POINT A HALF ACRES, THAT'S 30% OF THE SITE NETTING OUT THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR TUTTLE CROSSING THE NET WOULD BE 34% OPEN SPACE.
I THINK THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SITE IS MAYBE PER CODE IS MAYBE AROUND FIVE ACRES.
I THINK, UM, I GUESS ONE CONCERN I HAVE IS THE WAY THAT THE, UM, THE WAY THAT IT'S MASKED AROUND THE OUTSIDE.
SO MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR BASSAM.
DOES THAT AFFECT, IS THERE A LOCAL DENSITY REGULATION OR IS IT FOR ONE PROJECT IT'S OBVIOUSLY IF YOU TOOK OUT, YOU KNOW, 15 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE AROUND THE OUTSIDE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BRING THAT DENSITY UP CLOSER TO FOUR PER ACRE, IF I HAD TO GUESS.
IS THAT STILL THE WAY THAT THE PLANNING SETS OUT? WELL, WE TYPICALLY ALLOW FOR THE GROSS DENSITY TO BE THE GREAT, PERFECT.
THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION I NEEDED.
UM, I THINK YOU ANSWERED MY OTHER QUESTIONS IN YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION.
LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR OTHER QUESTIONS.
MR. ALEXANDER, COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
DID YOU CONSIDER A AN EAST WEST COLLECTOR STREET, AN EAST WEST COLLECTOR RELATIVE TO, WELL, WHEN I LOOK AT THE UPPER PART OF THE PLAN, AND SO WHEN I LOOK ALONG TUTTLE ROAD, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S ACTUALLY UNIFYING IN TERMS OF STREET, THE DEVELOPMENT FROM EAST TO WEST.
UM, WE THOUGHT, AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE OBVIOUS THING WOULD BE TO CONNECT THAT STREET THAT IS, THAT IS ON THE NORTH, BUT WE THOUGHT THAT GETS TOO LONG AND STRAIGHT.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO KEEP THE, THE VIEW SHEDS TO 300 FEET.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 300 FEET AND THEN YOU'RE TURNING, UM, THAT WAS THE INTENT, UM, FRANKLY.
UM, THE FRONT ELEVATIONS, THERE'S, YOU SAID THESE, THE, THE UNITS ARE JUST IN THE CONCEPTUAL STAGE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VARIETY IN TERMS OF THE OPENING PATTERN OR THE MATERIALS.
COLORS CHANGE, BUT THE MATERIALS DON'T ARE, UH, AND I THINK OF, I THINK YOUR PRODUCT, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE BUILT THE HOMES ACROSS FROM BATEL, UM, THAT NO STEIN HOMES MAY HAVE DONE HOMES ACROSS FROM BATEL, BUT THEY'RE, THEY HAVE VERY RESTRICTIVE LIFE.
MAYBE NOT, BUT THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR THAT THEY HAVE VERY RESTRICTED WIDTHS IN TERMS OF, AND SO THE FLOOR PLANS, THE UNITS ARE ESSENTIALLY LIKE THE TWO STORY PORTION FACING THE FRONT ONE ROOM WIDE, BUT THERE'S AN ENORMOUS VARIETY IN
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THE OPENINGS ACROSS THERE.SO THEY'RE NOT ALL JUST THREE OVER THREE.
SO I THINK THERE THE POTENTIAL IS FOR SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT MONOTONY THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF OTHER MATERIALS IN ADDITION TO JUST VERTICAL HARDY PANEL? YEAH, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS IN THE EARLY STAGES.
UM, AND, AND HERE'S TYPICALLY IN MY 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN DUBLIN, HOW WE ZONE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
WE DON'T ZONE ELEVATIONS, WE DON'T ZONE FLOOR PLANS.
WE ZONE DESIGN STANDARDS AND MATERIALS.
UM, SO THAT WAY THOSE THINGS EVOLVE AND THEY COME IN ONE LOT AT A TIME.
THAT'S HOW YOU CREATE THAT UNIQUE ABILITY.
THIS IS JUST SIMPLY, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS OUR FIRST SHOT AT A COLLECTION OF WHAT, WHAT THESE THINGS MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
BUT THERE, THERE'S A LOT MORE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL HAVE TO THESE S WELL, THAT, THAT'S GOOD.
A LOT OF APPLICANTS I KNOW WOULD LIKE AS MUCH FEEDBACK INITIALLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT SHORTENS THE PROCESS FOR YOU POTENTIALLY LATER.
SO I DO TEND TO ASK BECAUSE OF WHAT I DO, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, UM, THERE'S REALLY A GREAT STREETSCAPE IN THE DEVELOPMENTS IN COLUMBUS DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH.
UM, THERE'S, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DENSITY, THERE IS A LOT OF VARIETY ON THE STREET AND IT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT HOUSE TYPES.
THERE'S STORY AND A HALFS, THERE'S A LOT MORE VARIETY EVEN THOUGH THOSE LOTS ARE ALL, ARE ALL THE SAME WIDTH.
IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TO STORY AND A HALF, I KNOW STAFF'S TALKED ABOUT THE TOWNHOUSE, A STORY AND A HALF OR GREATER VARIETY THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING TONIGHT? I, I, I THINK STEVE WOULD LIKE THAT.
UM,
HE ASKED ME EVERY, EVERY MEETING, CAN WE DO SINGLE STORY? I'M LIKE, SURE.
THOSE ARE MY INITIAL QUESTIONS.
MR. CHINOOK, I APOLOGIZE, I HAVE SEVERAL.
UM, FIRST QUESTION IS, AGAIN, RELATED TO THE TUTTLE OVERPASS, THE, THE THROUGH STREET I, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T REALLY READ THE NAME OF THE, THE, THE INITIAL THROUGH STREET THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE, UH, PROPOSED OVERPASS.
IF IT DOES HAPPEN, IS THAT ENOUGH DISTANCE OR IS THAT TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT OVERPASS? IF THERE IS ONE BUILT THERE TO PUT THAT CONNECTOR? WE KNOW BY, BY, BY OUR CALCULATIONS AND OUR ESTIMATE THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, IT IS.
AND THEN PART OF THE ENVISION PLAN IS TO CONNECT, POTENTIALLY CONNECT THAT STREET TO KEEP IT GOING.
SO I GUESS MY CONCERN THERE IS WE'RE CREATING A VERY LONG DOWN BECAUSE IT CONTINUES DOWN TO THAT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOUTH AND WE'RE CREATING A VERY, VERY LONG THROUGH STREET THERE.
AND ESPECIALLY IF IT CONTINUES BEYOND TUTTLE EVENTUALLY AND KEEPS GOING.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT, I'M SURE WE NEED IT FOR ACCESS TO THE SITE, BUT YOU DO ONE, YOU'RE DOING A REALLY NICE JOB ON THE REST OF THE SITE OF JUST KIND OF KEEPING THOSE, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THOSE, THOSE DISTANCES SHORT.
I JUST GET A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE CREATING VERY, VERY LONG THROUGH STREET THERE WITH THAT CONNECTION.
UM, SO MY OTHER QUESTION, UM, RELATED TO WHEN YOU, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SHOW THE RENDERING AREA AREA H IS IS VERY NICE THAT COURTYARD RECREATING THERE AND I FEEL LIKE THERE MAY BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE SOME, I MEAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S A REALLY NICE PART OF THE SITE AND IT'S LIKE KIND OF AS YOU GET DEEPER INTO THE SITE, UM, MAYBE THERE'S A, A LITTLE BIT OF AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO DO SOMETHING VERY, I MEAN IT'S IT'S REALLY NICE HOW YOU DID THAT AND MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIAL DEEPER INTO THE SITE.
'CAUSE IT ALL OF A SUDDEN JUST KIND OF GETS TO BE VERY, UM, SET I GUESS AS YOU, AS YOU GO THROUGH.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO I WANTED TO MENTION.
UM, AND THEN FOR BOSTON, THE, THE QUESTION, SO WHAT WE'RE APPROVING WILL WE BE APPROVING WITH THIS IS THE RAILROAD SETBACK.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SETBACK FROM THE RAILROAD THAT'S REQUIRED AND VERSUS WHAT IS PROPOSED AND FOR TUTTLE CROSSING, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT 'CAUSE WE'RE DEVIATING FROM, WHAT'S ALLOWED AND AND JUST FOR CLARITY, WE'RE WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING.
SO THE, THE STANDARD HAS BEEN 200 FEET FROM THE RAILROAD.
UH, THAT'S THE TYPICAL STANDARD.
I THINK, UH, IN THIS CASE IT VARIES FROM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT FROM A HUNDRED TO 160 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, THAT WAS A DISCUSSION WITH SOME OF THE PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF THIS PLAN.
THAT THE COMMISSION FEEDBACK WAS WITH SOME MITIGATING, UH, DETAILS OF THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED.
THE, UH, BIGGER ISSUE, I THINK ALONG TOTAL CROSSING IS NOT NECESSARILY THE SETBACK BECAUSE THEY ARE SHOWING SOME OF THE GREEN SPACES.
IT'S, UH, THE FINAL DESIGN DETAILS BECAUSE THE ENVISIONED DUBLIN PLAN SHOWS 180 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY AND THE, UH,
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PLAN ACCOMMODATES 116 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.SO, BUT THAT 180 FEET IS ENVISIONED FOR THE ENTIRE STRETCH OF TUNNEL CROSSING.
THE CHARACTER MAY NOT ALL REQUIRE THAT TYPE OF WIDTH.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE DETAIL THAT AS THIS PROJECT PROGRESSES, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY AS OKAY.
AND THEN ONE MORE QUICK COMMENT.
THE, I I AGREE WITH THE, THE, I KNOW WE WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING OR THE, THE HOMES AS WELL.
UM, YES, MORE VARIETY WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, APPRECIATE THE EFFORT AND, AND THE DIFFERENT MATERIALS AND COLORS AND A LITTLE BIT VARIATION IN STYLES.
BUT I THINK THE VARIETY'S IMPORTANT AND I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY SUPER CLEAR, BUT THE BALCONIES OR ABOVE GARAGE, I GUESS WE'LL CALL 'EM PORCHES THAT YOU'RE SHOWING, WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE ARE USABLE.
NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN IT BEFORE WHERE IT'S KIND OF FAKEY GIMMICKY SPACE OR MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE BECAUSE IT, IT IS, IT COULD BE A VERY NICE FEATURE, BUT IF YOU CAN'T PUT SEATING AT YOU DO ANYTHING OUT THERE, THEN IT SEEMS TO BE, SO I WOULD JUST CHALLENGE THAT A LITTLE BIT TOO.
I MEAN, I THINK FROM THESE ELEVATIONS IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE, BUT THAT WOULD BE A, AN AREA OF CONCERN I WOULD MENTION AS WELL AS A VARIETY.
AND THEN LAST THING, SORRY, ONE MORE.
UM, THE, THE, THE TUTTLE, UM, GREEN SPACE ALONG TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD THERE, UM, IF, WERE YOU PROPOSING ANY KIND OF MOUNDING OR ANYTHING? OR IS THAT GONNA BE PRETTY JUST FLAT, OPEN, USABLE SPACE? I
UM, BUT IT WILL STILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY LANDSCAPED.
AND I THINK IT, I THINK WHAT THAT ALLOWS US TO DO IS IT, AS OPPOSED TO MOUNDS WE CAN INCORPORATE, UM, YOU KNOW, A NICE VEGETATED SWALE APPROACH THROUGH THEIRS THAT, THAT, THAT ALLOWS US TO THEN ENGAGE THAT AS OPPOSED TO ENGAGING MOUNDS.
UM, MOUNDS ACTUALLY TAKE UP A LOT OF SPACE TO DO THEM PROPERLY.
UM, AND, AND SPECIFICALLY IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO, UH, THE AMOUNT OF RETENTION THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED THROUGH THERE AND AND RESPECT THE SETBACKS THAT THE CITY'S GONNA WANT FOR RETENTION, WE THINK THAT TRANSITION TO SOMETHING DRY AND VEGETATED WILL HELP US BE ABLE TO MITIGATE THAT, THAT IMPACT.
YOU KNOW, SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A HUNDRED FEET, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO END UP WITH A LITTLE 20 FOOT WIDE POND, WE JUST DON'T THINK THAT LOOKS GOOD.
WE THINK THIS APPROACH WOULD LOOK BETTER AND LOOK BETTER THAN MOUSE.
NOW ON THE BACKSIDE OR IN THERE, I DON'T THINK IT'S FLAT WITH SWALES.
I THINK THERE'S SOME ROLLING NATURE TO THAT THAT THAT CAN BE CREATED.
I JUST DON'T THINK THEY'RE WHAT YOU WOULD, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER MOUNTING FOR SCREENING.
I THINK IT'S MORE MOUNTING FOR THE, AS THE, THE GENERAL AESTHETIC OF IT.
OTHER QUESTIONS? MS. HARDER ON THAT SAME LINE, WOULD YOU HAVE THAT SAME CONVERSATION? THOUGHTS ON THE RAILROAD SIDE TOO? ABOUT MOUNDING? ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM? I THINK THAT WOULD BECOME MORE FUNCTIONAL.
UM, SO I CAN UNDERSTAND FUNCTIONAL IN NATURE TO ACTUALLY BUILD A MOUND THAT SCREENS THAT FOR SCREENING PURPOSES.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO LIKE ARE YOU, WHEN PLANNING, ARE YOU THINKING OF SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES AND LARGE, LARGE SIDEWALKS? YOU'RE KIND OF MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION? I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR THE SIX OR SEVEN FOOT TREE LAWN WITH THE FIVE OR SIX FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS.
AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIDE LOADING GARAGES, IS IT JUST ON THE END OR CAN IT BE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, MOVED IN AT THIS TIME? GIVEN THE FOOTPRINTS THAT WE HAVE, IT'S, THERE'LL BE PROBABLY RESTRICTED TO THOSE CORNER LOT OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN TO DO LIKE A COURT LOADED GARAGE AT THIS POINT.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT SIDE LOAD GARAGE, YOU NEED PROBABLY AN EXTRA 30, 33, 34 FEET.
AND I JUST THOUGHT I'D OPEN THIS UP TOO.
UH, QUESTION ABOUT THE CONSIDERATION.
LIKE, LIKE, UM, WHEN YOU'RE AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS WHERE D IS THEN THERE'S THOSE, THERE'S FIVE HOMES THERE.
THE TELL ME ABOUT HOW THEY CAME ABOUT.
THEY SEE, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THE PLAN.
I SEE THAT, BUT THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT, UM, HOW THEY FIT IN? I, I THINK AS, UH, MR. CHINOOK WAS MAYBE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE REGULARITY OF THAT AREA OVER THERE, OUR INTENT THERE WAS TO CREATE, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S ON THE WEST WHERE YOU HAVE PORCHES FRONT FRONTING A GREEN, WE HAVE PORCHES THAT FRONT AND EXPERIENCE A STREET SCAPE, UM, THAT ARE CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT PORCH TO PORCH WAS BETTER THAN PORCH TO RAILROAD, FRANKLY.
UM, AND IT CONTINUES THE, THE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT THAT'S ESTABLISHED FURTHER SOUTH WHERE WE HAVE HOUSES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT STREET AND THEN ULTIMATELY TERMINATING AT THE NORTH END IN GREEN
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SPACE.SO IT'S MORE OF A, A TERM CREATING A TERMINAL VISTA AS, AS WE LIKE TO SAY AT THE END OF THAT, UH, EXTENSION OF, UM, ELLIS BROOK DRIVE.
JUST ONE MORE QUESTION AND MR. THANK YOU.
UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED IN THAT AREA H WHICH I ALSO AGREE IS AN EXCELLENT FEATURE THAT, UM, ONE POTENTIAL FEATURE OF IT COULD BE, DID YOU MEN, DID YOU SAY IS MAILBOXES LIKE A MASSED MAILBOX AREA? YEAH, WE'LL BE REQUIRED TO DO THOSE.
AND WE THINK, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF JUST A MAILBOX WITH A ROOF OVER IT, BUT REALLY START TO CREATE A COMMUNITY AMENITY OUT OF THAT.
THAT SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY GATHER THERE AND WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO WITH YOUR MAIL AND YOUR NEIGHBORS.
I THINK IT, IT THAT MAKES SENSE TO TRY TO TURN IT SOMETIMES THEY CAN BE A BIT OF AN EYESORE.
ESPECIALLY AT THE GENERIC STYLE AND MM-HMM.
I, I THINK I CERTAINLY THINK IT'S OPPORTUNITIES TO ADD SOME ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER TO THE, TO THE SITE ITSELF.
THANK YOU MR. PARMAN, MR. WAY.
THIS IS A, A REALLY VERY THOUGHTFUL PLAN.
I THINK YOU PUT A LOT OF ENERGY AND DESIGN INTO IT.
UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GREAT QUALITIES TO IT, RIGHT? IT'S HARD TO, UM, REALLY DIG IN AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES MIGHT BE.
THERE'S, THERE'S TWO AREAS THAT ONE ARE, ARE BUGGING ME AND, AND THEN I'M CONFLICTED
UM, SO THE, THE, THE, THE PARK AIR, THE H THE LITTLE PARK THERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GREAT AMENITY.
MY CHALLENGE IS THAT THE UNITS THAT FACE TO THAT BACK TO CROSS GRAY AND TUNNEL CROSSING BOULEVARD.
AND I KNOW IN YOUR, YOUR OPENING REMARKS YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT AREA, UM, AND THE BACKING OF THE, COULD YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE RATIONALE? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE LARGER PLAN AND THE EXTENSION OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD, THE FEATURE AND THE GATEWAY THAT REALLY BECOMES PROMINENT IS THAT PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT THAT HAPPENS AT CAUSE GRAY ROAD.
AND SO THE, IN OUR, OUR THOUGHT PROCESS IS ESTABLISHING AROUND THAT GATEWAY, THIS THIS GREEN, TYPICAL RURAL GREEN SETBACK TO DUBLIN, LET YOU EXPERIENCE THAT GATEWAY AT THE ROUNDABOUT.
AND THEN AS YOU GET INTO THE SITE FROM COSWAY, THAT'S WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, IT OPENS UP TO THE, TO THE LANDMARK TREE IN THE FRONT OF THOSE HOUSES.
UM, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THAT EXPERIENCE ALONG THESE ROADWAYS.
I MEAN, IT'S TO GIVE A, TO GIVE A VARIETY FOR EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, IT'S A PATTERN THAT YOU SEE HAPPENING ALL OVER DUBLIN WHERE THERE'S WIDE SETBACKS WITH HOUSES THAT BACK TO MAJOR STREETS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST, IT'S A, IT'S A, AGAIN, IT'S A CONFLICT.
IT WHERE'S THE PRIORITY SPACE? WHAT DO WE WANT IT THIS DEVELOPMENT TO LOOK LIKE FROM THE OUTSIDE? AND WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE FROM THE INSIDE? SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'M STRUGGLING WITH.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE, AS WE'VE READ THE OLD COMMUNITY PLAN, WE'VE TRIED TO RESPOND TO THE NEW COMMUNITY PLAN IT ALL, BOTH OF THEM TALK ABOUT RURAL CORRIDORS HERE IN THE SOUTHWEST AREA.
UM, AND TRADITIONALLY THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN IS A LARGER SETBACK.
AND SOME CASES IT'S BEEN FRONTS, BUT MOST OF THE CASES IT'S BEEN BACKS OF HOUSES.
SO WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO THAT WHEN WE HAVE OUR DELIBERATION
BUT THE SECOND QUESTION I HAD WAS RELATED TO THE TREE ROW ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
WHAT, UM, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? AND WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF PRESERVING THAT TREE ROW.
UM, IF I RECALL BACK TO WHEN WE DID THE TREE SURVEY ON THE SITE, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT THAT TREE ROW IS PROBABLY SPLIT 50 50 SOME ON OUR SITE, SOME ON, IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS.
BUT, UM, I THINK WITH THE WAY THE, THE GRADE SITS ON THE SITE AND THERE'S ALREADY, UM, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IN THE REAR OF THOSE LOTS ON COLUMBUS THAT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANY PROBLEM PRESERVING THAT TREE ROW.
UH, WE, IT'S CERTAINLY AN AMENITY THAT WE WANT TO KEEP.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE THING THAT STARTS TO DIFFERENTIATE THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM COLUMBUS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE SOUTH.
SO TO ME IT'S A REALLY NICE BREAK.
AND IF WE CAN CELEBRATE THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE TRIED TO DO IS, AND YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO PRIOR PLANS, BUT, YOU KNOW, PRIOR PLANS WE HAD A LOT OF, WE MIRRORED COLUMBUS AND WE HAD A LOT OF STRAIGHT HOUSES ALONG THE SIDE THERE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE, YOU ACTUALLY SEE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH THAT, UH, LITTLE POCKET PARK ON H IS WE, WE REALLY TRIED TO CREATE SOME, SOME MOTION AND SOME MOVEMENT IN THE BACKS OF OUR HOUSES AGAINST THE CITY OF COLUMBUS.
AND I THINK GIVEN SOME OF THOSE DEEPER LOSS THERE, THAT ALLOWS US TO RESPECT THAT TREE ROW EVEN MORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN WE TURN, TURN THE SIDES ON SOME OF THESE, WE JUST TRY TO PULL AS MANY HOUSES OFF OF THAT TREE ROW AND THAT PROPERTY LINE AS WE CAN.
AND, AND JUST ONE OTHER, UM, THERE'S BEEN A
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LOT OF, A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OVERPASS.UM, AND I KNOW THAT'S COME UP ON PREVIOUS SUBMISSIONS THAT YOU'VE HAD.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT OVERPASS COULD BE DESIGNED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT IT'S LIKELY TO BE ON EMBANKMENT AND THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA BE UP 25 FEET GOING OVER THE RAILWAY AT LEAST, MAYBE IT'S MORE THESE DAYS.
UM, AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A, A GREEN SLOPE OF THE, OF SOME SORT.
AND, AND WHEN WE SEE IMAGES AND RENDERINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO KIND OF START, I KNOW IT MAY NOT HAPPEN FOR A WHILE, BUT TO THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA BE THE ENVIRONMENT THAT THESE HOUSES RESIDE IN.
AND SO THINKING OF THAT NOT JUST AS A FLAT GREEN PLANE, BUT AS SOMETHING THAT BECOMES YEP.
A SLOPE AND HOW DO YOU TREAT THAT AND HOW DOES IT WORK WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE, I APPRECIATE THAT AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK INTO YEP.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, MR. GESSLER.
YEAH, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UH, STAFF HAD TALKED ABOUT KIND OF A, WHICH WHICH I ACTUALLY LIKE THE, UH, SOME KIND OF CONTINUOUS GREEN SPACE THAT EVERYBODY CAN USE, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONALLY BEYOND WHAT IS AVAILABLE, I THINK ON I, IF I'M LOOKING AT IT, IS THAT GONNA CREATE IN YOUR MIND A SIGNIFICANT DIFFICULTY BEING ABLE TO DO THAT WITH A PLAN AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED? IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
UM, I THINK IT'S REDUNDANT TO THE GREEN SPACE THAT EXISTS ALONG TU CROSSING BOULEVARD.
I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO ENHANCE THAT.
UM, FRANKLY, THE DIFFICULTY IS GONNA BE THE, THE COST OF THE UNITS TO DO IT ON THIS SITE.
WELL, HELP ME JUST SO I'M, I'M I'M GETTING AN IDEA HERE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IN C AND J IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THERE'S GONNA BE, THAT'S WHERE THIS CONTINUAL GREEN SPACE IS, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AROUND AND IN THE HOMES, IT'S, IT'S FRONTING ON TUTTLE CROSSING.
IS THAT FAIR? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT.
WELL, I THINK WHAT STAFF HAD INDICATED IS THAT SOME MOVEMENT WITHIN, AND IT'S THIS IS WHAT, EAST TO WEST, RIGHT? YEAH.
I'M LOOKING AT, SO AN EAST TO WEST MOVEMENT, WHEREAS YOU'RE SAYING THAT JUST OCCURS ON THE NORTH PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THE WAY WE WOULD, WE WOULD POSE THAT IS AS OPPOSED TO A CONTINUOUS SWATH OF GREEN SPACE TO GET EAST WEST, OUR INTENTION IS TO PROVIDE A VARIETY OF GREENWAYS BETWEEN HOUSES THROUGH PARKS AND ALONG THE STREET SCAPE ITSELF.
UM, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY, MY COMMENT TO THAT.
AND THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS WE TALKED ABOUT AND EXPLAINED, YOU'RE WITHIN SIX HOUSES OF GETTING TO THAT, TO THAT PERIMETER GREEN SPACE.
IT, IT WOULD BE WITHIN 200 FEET OF ANOTHER PATHWAY WITH WHAT STAFF TALKED ABOUT RELATIVE TO THE SETBACK FOR TUTTLE.
I THINK, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.
I THINK THE, THE PROPOSAL HERE'S AROUND 160, IS THAT RIGHT? BASSAM AND, UH, YOU'D WANT 180.
IT'S NOT THE SETBACK, IT'S THE WIDTH OF THE TALLER CROSSING BOULEVARD.
SO THE TO BE IN EFFECT COMMUNITY PLAN, THAT, THAT WILL BE EFFECTIVE ON AUGUST 1ST CALLS FOR AN 180 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
SO NOT ALL OF THAT WOULD BE ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO WOULD BE BASICALLY HALF OF THAT, IF YOU WILL, FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD SOUTH, UH, POTENTIALLY WOULD BE ON THE PROPERTY.
THE, UH, EXISTING PLANT CALLS FOR 116 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE SETBACK ITSELF IS NOT AN ISSUE.
THEY HAVE PLENTY OF BUFFERS BETWEEN THE, UH, ROADWAY AND THE HOUSES THEMSELVES.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S A DESIGN ELEMENT THAT WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO EVOLVE.
AND THE ONE THING I WANNA CLARIFY, I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE YOU HAVE C AND J THAT THAT'S NEXT TO EACH OTHER HERE IN THE MIDDLE, YOU HAD INDICATED IS THERE GONNA BE SOME POTENTIAL STORM WATER MANAGEMENT THERE, BUT YOU HAD THOUGHT THAT A SMALL POND WASN'T THE BEST IDEA AND TO HAVE MORE OF A KIND OF A NATURAL OVERFLOW AREA? I, I THINK ANYTHING ALONG THAT AREA, I THINK THE WET AREAS ARE GONNA BE AT THE CORNERS OKAY.
AND ANYTHING THROUGH THERE COULD BE A, A VEGETATED APPROACH.
UM, SOMEWHERE IN THERE IT SPLITS, IT GOES EAST AND SOME GOES WEST.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE OF A, A NATURALIZED APPEARANCE I WOULD SAY.
WAS THERE EVER DISCUSSION ABOUT ANY KIND OF
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PASS WALKING PASS OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN SIDEWALK AREAS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT ON THE EXTERIOR AROUND SURE.BASSAM, COULD YOU THROW UP THE, UM, OPEN SPACE? WAS THAT THE ONE WITH A LITTLE BLUE? YES.
I JUST WANTED, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
AND I THINK THAT'S IN GENERAL ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE'VE TALKED WITH, WITH STAFF IS THERE AS THE DESIRES TO POSSIBLY EXTEND, UM, PATHWAYS ALONG THE RAILROAD ALONG CAUSE GRAY AND ALONG TITLE, SO.
COULD YOU PRESENT THIS JUST SO THE AUDIENCE CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE BLUE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? SORRY.
UH, SORRY TO STOP AND START ON YOU SO MUCH.
UM, ON THE TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD AS IT'S NAMED HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE UNTIL THAT OVERPASS, UNTIL THAT WAS CONNECTED, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S STUBBED JUST BEYOND, UH, GLOCK.
IS THAT NECESSARY OR WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO MAKE, GIVE IT A MORE FINISHED LOOK UNTIL THAT'S COMPLETED? THAT I TOO FAR OFF? YEAH.
THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S GONNA TELL US WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UH, JUST ONE QUICK ONE FOR STAFF.
UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS HAD SIGNIFICANT CONVERSATION IN THE PAST ABOUT SIX FOOT SETBACK SETBACKS, SIDE SETBACKS VERSUS A SIX AND AN EIGHT FOR A 14 TOTAL.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE CURRENT CODE FACTOR? UNDERSTANDING THIS WOULD HAVE ITS OWN DEVELOPMENT TEXT, BUT CAN YOU, UM, SPEAK TO THE CURRENT CODE WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITH SIDE SETBACKS? I MAY NEED HELP WITH THAT.
UM, SO SINCE THIS WOULD BE A PUD WE, THAT WOULD BE DICTATED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT TEXT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WITH SIX FEET BEING THE MINIMUM THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BETWEEN THE TWO.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT AND WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND SHARED THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THAT THE GOAL IS TO HAVE, UM, THAT SIX FOOT MINIMUM ON ONE SIDE, BUT THEN OBVIOUSLY AN INCREASE ON THE OTHER.
SO, WE'LL WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT, UM, AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE TURN SOME TIME OVER FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, JENNY, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING OR ANY DURING THE MEETING? NO.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS APPLICATION IN PUBLIC COMMENT? IF SO, WE WOULD INVITE YOU UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND AT THIS TIME WE'LL GO THROUGH DELIBERATION.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN.
WE WILL NOT BE VOTING THIS EVENING.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK TO PROVIDE THE APPLICANT, UH, AS THEY MOVE AN APPLICATION PRESUMABLY FORWARD.
MR. GARVIN, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF THIS EVENING? I THINK MY, UH, BIGGEST CONCERNS WERE ALREADY ECHOED JUST ABOUT DIVERSITY OF THE HOUSES.
I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT, UH, THE STANDARD STRUCTURE PLAN NOW, AND I KNOW IT'S IN ITS EARLY STAGES, BUT AS IT MOVES FORWARD, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WAYS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU MENTIONED SPACE OVER THE GARAGES, I THINK YOU CAN CREATE DIFFERENT HEIGHT THERE, DIFFERENT SILHOUETTES FOR THE HOMES.
BUT, UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
I SHARED, UH, DAN'S COMMENTS, UH, RELATIVE TO THE VARIETY, THE, THE TYPE OF HOME, THE LEVELING.
UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL MATERIALS, UH, WITH SOME STONE IN THERE.
UM, JUST FOR CLARITY, I, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT.
I DO LIKE, UH, SOME OF THOSE OPEN SPACES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED, AND I THINK IT, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, NEAT TO SEE WHAT KIND OF IDEAS THEY CAN COME UP WITH TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT COMMUNITY ASPECT.
I, I WAS WONDERING THOUGH, IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WITH SOME MANEUVERING ON SOME OF THE HOMES TO CREATE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR SIDE GARAGES, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN, WHETHER IT WOULD BE LESS DENSITY OR JUST SOME MOVEMENT OF SOME OF THE STREETS.
SO THAT, THAT'S MY TAKE ON THAT ASPECT.
UM, DEFINITELY WANT TO KEEP THE TREE ROW IN, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE BOARDING THE COLUMBUS HOMES.
AND I THINK IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO, AND I KNOW IT'S ALWAYS, IT WAS WHAT MY QUESTION DETAILED, SOME ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE CONTINUITY OUTSIDE OF THE SHARED YARDS THAT RUN BETWEEN SOME OF THOSE LOTS.
IF, IF THAT CAN HAPPEN, I THINK, UM, THOSE OWNERS WOULD PROBABLY REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
UH, BUT BEYOND THAT, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, GENERALLY
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SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT AS IS.I SHARE, AND I'LL ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I, I SHARE KIM'S CONCERN, AND THAT'S WHY I ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
HOWEVER, AND I'LL GO INTO GENERALLY THE REST OF THE PLAN.
IN FACT, I PREFER WHAT YOU'VE DONE USING THE STREET SCAPE TO LINK THE SPACES AS OPPOSED TO CREATING A GREENWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ERODING THE SPACE OF THE STREET.
YOU'RE REINFORCING THE PUBLIC REALM OF THE STREET AND WITH THE PORCHES AND THE DESIGN, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY GREAT.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THE STAFF'S, UM, SUGGESTION AT THAT ONE ROAD, BECAUSE IT'S COLLECTING EVERYTHING THAT ONE ROAD PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE, A LITTLE WIDER OR A LITTLE MORE PROMINENT, BECAUSE THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR COLLECTOR.
UH, BECAUSE BO BOTH YOUR, UM, THE TRAFFIC FROM BOTH EAST AND WEST ARE ALL GONNA CONVERGE.
MOST OF US CAN CONVERGE THERE.
UM, THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, EAST WEST CONNECTION IS I, I SAW THE OPPORTUNITY, AND YOU MAY NOT LIKE THIS, UM, PROBABLY WON'T, BUT I SAW THE OPPORTUNITY OF CONNECTING THAT STREET ACROSS THE FRONT AND THEN TURNING UNITS.
SO YOU HAD A NUMBER OF UNITS FRONTING THAT STREET, AND YOU CREATE A BAND OF GREEN ACROSS THE FRONT.
AND UM, AND THAT DRIVE IS LIKE A PARKWAY ALONG THERE.
AND SO YOU HAVE, WHETHER THEY'RE TOWNHOUSES OR WHETHER THEY'RE, UM, INDIVIDUAL UNITS, BUT, AND THEN THE ISSUE OF WHAT YOU SEE FROM TUTTLE IS, IS ADDRESSED AS WELL.
'CAUSE TO ME, THE FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY IS NOT THE CORNER, THE FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY IS TALL OF CROSSING.
I MEAN, UNLIKE, UNLIKE THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH, YOU'VE IGNORED COSGRAVE.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND, I I WOULD'VE DONE THE SAME THING.
YOU'VE IGNORED COSGRAVE, SO THAT'S REALLY YOUR, YOUR FRONT YARD.
AND SO HAVING UNITS FACE TO FRONT YARD AND MAKING THAT, DEVELOPING THAT AS A REALLY ELABORATE LANDSCAPE, I THINK WOULD, WOULD ENHANCE YOUR DESIGN.
BUT HERE AGAIN, GENERALLY I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
I LIKE THE BLOCKS, SMALL BLOCKS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEARLY DEFINED NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS.
I THINK IT'S VERY THOUGHTFUL THE WAY THAT INTERMEDIATE SPACE CONNECTS TO THE GREEN SPACE.
YOU EVEN HAVE LITTLE FEATURES AT, AT THE ENDS OF THOSE.
SO I, I THINK GENERALLY I'M SUPPORTIVE.
MR. CHINOOK? YEAH, I, I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH, UH, WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING.
I, UM, IN, IN RELATIONSHIP, I, ONE QUESTION WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED AS MUCH AS DEVIATING A LITTLE BIT FROM A VISION DEVAN WITH MULTI-FAMILY VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY.
I, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT IN THIS CASE.
I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AS YOU, AS YOU PRESENTED TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO GENERALLY, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE OVERALL LAYOUT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TO DEFINITELY PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS.
YOU HEARD HER COMMENT, SHE CAME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE FOR THE SITE.
SO KUDOS TO, UH, THE EFFORT THERE AND, UM, AND HOW YOU PRESENTED IT, YOU KNOW, MAKES, MAKES, MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UM, I, I'M GONNA KIND OF COUNTER THE THOUGHT OF THE COS GRAY BECAUSE I, I THINK YOU'VE GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO CREATE A REALLY NICE STREET SCAPE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THAT UP HERE, ABOUT JUST ACTIVATING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT PORCHES AND GETTING NEIGHBORS OUT.
I I, I LIKE HOW YOU'VE DONE THAT ON THAT, IN THAT AREA.
AND I THINK IF YOU LANDSCAPE IT LIKE YOU'RE SHOWING HERE CORRECTLY, THEN THAT COS GRACE, YOU KIND OF ESSENTIALLY WOULD GO AWAY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA NECESSARILY THE BACK OF HOMES IF YOU'VE GOT IT LANDSCAPED.
AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING A LOT MORE FOR, AGAIN, THAT STREET SCAPE THERE THAN TRYING TO MAKE IT FACE COS GRAY AND EVERYTHING ELSE WHERE IT KIND OF CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF A FAKE STREET SCAPE IN THAT CASE.
SO I'M ALL FOR HOW YOU HAVE THAT, HAVE THAT LAID OUT.
I, I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THROUGH STREET.
UM, I, I, I THINK IT COULD, DEPENDING ON HOW, HOW IT GOES AND IF IT CONNECTS AND IT GOES ON, I THINK WE'VE CREATED A VERY CHALLENGING, UM, CONNECTION THERE.
UM, SO I, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF RECONSIDER HOW THAT, HOW THAT WORKS, IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO BREAK THAT UP SOMEHOW.
UM, AND I THINK, OH, AND AGAIN, THE COMMENT ABOUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING, UM, HOW THAT, UH, RAILROAD CROSSING WILL WORK, I THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO SEE NEXT ROUND FOR US TO REALLY KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT THAT CORNER I THINK IS A, IS A CONCERN.
UM, I KNOW IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR YOU ALL TOO.
SO I THINK TO REALLY THINK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE THAT.
UM, AND I'M STILL NOT, I I, I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE RAILROAD SETBACK.
I THINK THERE'S A REASON WHY WE HAVE THAT, UM, SET, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA GET TOO CLOSE.
I, I JUST SOMETHING TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT AS YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, RECONSIDER SOME OF OUR COMMENTS.
BUT AGAIN, I I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A WONDERFUL NEXT STEP, UM, FROM WHERE WE, WHERE WE PREVIOUSLY WERE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK IS HARDER.
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THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.WE APPRECIATE, UM, THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH SOME OF MY THOUGHTS AND WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED TO US AND SO FORTH, UM, ABOUT DENSITY.
I, I THINK IF YOU EMIT THOSE FIVE HOUSES AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING OUT, UM, AT, I THINK IT'S STILL BEAUTIFUL AREA THAT CAN BE LANDSCAPED AND YOU MIGHT GET, NOT GET IN A CORNER THERE WITH WHAT MAY NEED TO COME WITH, WITH HAVING MORE, UM, OPEN SPACE THERE.
UM, THEN LIKE I GET INTO THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF THE SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I AM, I'M FOLLOWING WHAT THE, WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE, WITH THE RAILROADS.
I, I, UM, MENTIONED THAT LAST TIME.
IF YOU WANNA CONSIDER, UM, OTHER SAFETY AREAS AND LIKE THE MOUND AND SO FORTH.
UM, I THINK THAT'S GREAT TO UTILIZE UTILIZING THE RETENTION BASINS AS LANDSCAPING IS GREAT TOO.
UM, ALSO, UH, LIKE NUMBER THREE WAS ABOUT THE SPACE AND LOCATION AND UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE PRESERVING OF THE TREE LOTS IMPORTANT, JUST WHAT WAS MENTIONED HERE.
UH, I I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON BOTH SIDES AND KEEPING THAT, UM, WHAT YOUR INTENTION IS AND, UH, KIND OF MOVING FORWARD ON THAT.
UM, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, ALSO, UM, WHAT YOU WANNA DO WITH THOSE OPEN SPACES.
YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOME IDEAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I'VE RECENTLY SEEN WHERE, WHERE IT, IT, UH, LOOKS LIKE, LIKE SOMEPLACE, UH, THAT LOOKS VERY BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPED, BUT KIDS COULD POP IN IT AND CLIMB IN IT AND IT'S ROCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S KIND OF A NEAT GATHERING AREA.
UH, IT MAY HAVE A HIDDEN BASKETBALL HOOP OR SOMETHING, OR SOMETHING CREATIVE THAT WAY THAT YOU'RE INTEGRATING FAMILIES.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD ON THAT WITH THAT OPEN SPACE BECAUSE THAT'S VERY SPECIAL.
UM, I ALSO THINK, UM, JUST THE PRODUCT, UM, THE DIVERSITY OF MATERIALS BEEN MENTIONED, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF PORCHES, BUT THEY NEED TO BE COVERED.
UH, ASIDE, GARAGES IN BETWEEN, IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF DOING THAT, I TOTALLY SEE THAT.
BUT, UH, CERTAINLY BRINGS PEOPLE OUT AND ABOUT TO THAT, THAT FRONT AREA.
UM, AND UH, THE MORE YOU CAN GET TO THE RECESS, UH, GARAGES IS IMPORTANT AND IF IT'S 20, LET'S TRY AND GET THERE WITH THOSE AND USING, UM, MAKING EACH GARAGE KIND OF UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT, UM, WITH OVERHANGS AND, AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING PART, YOU KNOW, BEING REALLY CREATIVE WITH THAT, EVEN IN BETWEEN THE HOMES MAY BE SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF LIKE AN ENTRANCE TO THEIR BACKYARDS AND SO FORTH.
OH, AND PILLARS, I NOTICED IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THE THEME OF WHAT THIS IS TO LOOK LIKE.
SO WHEN I SEE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PILLARS, THAT'S FINE.
JUST SO I KIND OF THINK OF WHAT THE, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OF, WHAT THE THEME OF THE PLACE IS AND UM, AND ONCE YOU LAND ON SOMETHING, IT, I'M SURE IT'LL BE BEAUTIFUL.
UM, AND AGAIN, UM, I GET TO, OH ART, WE HAVE WONDERFUL ARTISTS IN THIS AREA THAT COULD HELP YOU COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF FOCAL POINTS.
WE'RE BIG ON BIG ROCKS THAT ARE OUT THERE TOO.
THAT COULD BE A A PART THERE TOO.
WE HAVE, AND ON ANOTHER NOTE, JUST QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU WERE MENTIONING THE BUDDING UP OF, OF NEIGHBORS AND SO FORTH THAT, THAT ARE IN HERE, MAKING SOME KIND OF, THAT THIS PRIVACY, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND, AND, UM, I THINK IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER MR. WAY.
I'M GONNA GO IN REVERSE OF THE QUESTIONS.
SO I THINK THE ARCHITECTURES DEFINITELY ON THE RIGHT TREND.
I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES APPROACH TO PULLING THE GARAGES BACK, I THINK I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE YOU'RE DOING THAT.
I THINK THE ARCHITECTS ON THE COMMISSION HAVE GIVEN YOU A LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT ARCHITECTURE.
I DON'T NEED TO DWELL ON THAT.
I THINK HOW YOU'RE APPROACHING OPEN SPACE, I THINK IS GENERALLY IS, IS RIGHT ON.
UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK THE SETBACKS ARE FINE BOTH FROM THE RAILWAY AND FROM TUTTLE CROSSING.
BUT I, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ROLE OF TUTTLE CROSSING AND THE FACT THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE BUILT FOR A WHILE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE AT SOME POINT A MAJOR ARTERY THAT CONNECTS THROUGH THE CITY.
IT'S GONNA CONNECT ALL THE WAY TO 1 61 AND COS GRAY ROAD RIGHT NOW MAY, YOU MAY NOT THINK IT'S MUCH, BUT IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR NORTH-SOUTH ARTERY.
SO TO ME THERE, THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS TWO VERY IMPORTANT EDGES.
AND I THINK THE WAY THAT YOU'VE, UM, ORGANIZED THE OPEN SPACE ALONG BOTH OF THOSE SETS UP THE DEVELOPMENT REALLY WELL TO CREATE A REALLY POSITIVE IMAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS I WAS INQUIRING BEFORE, UM,
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THIS IDEA OF BACKING TO THESE MAJOR ROADWAYS TO ME IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROMOTE IN THE CITY.IF YOU, IF WE PULLED UP THE PLAN FROM COLUMBUS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY HAVE THAT, THAT LOOPING ROAD DOWN TO THE SOUTH AND ALL OF THOSE HOUSES FRONT ONTO THAT LOOP ROAD AND THEN ONTO COS GRAY.
AND SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE YOU CONSIDER, UM, THE, THE LOTS THAT ARE AROUND B RIGHT NOW OF BEING UNITS THAT FACE ONTO A EDGE ROAD.
SO YOU BASICALLY CONNECT BC AROUND BACK TO A, SO ALL OF THOSE UNITS THEN WOULD FACE OUT ONTO THE OPEN SPACE, FACE OUT ONTO THE ROADWAYS, WHICH WOULD TO ME CREATE A VERY POSITIVE IMAGE ON, ON A VERY STRATEGIC INTERSECTION, UM, IN THE CITY, UH, MAYBE NOT NOW, BUT INTO THE FUTURE.
AND I THINK THERE WAS ALSO A DISCUSSION, MR. ALEXANDER BROUGHT UP THE, THE UNITS THAT FACE, UM, THE OVERPASS, AGAIN, I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO THINK OF THE OVERPASS AS A NEGATIVE THING.
THINK OF IT AS A POSITIVE THING.
IT'S STILL GONNA BE A ROADWAY.
THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING DOWN INTO DEVELOPMENT.
SO I THINK THE UNITS THAT ARE ALONG THAT EDGE SHOULDN'T BE THE, THE SIDE OF THE UNITS.
IT COULD BE THE FRONTS OF UNITS THAT ARE FACING THEM OR THIS, YOU TAKE THE SIDE OF THE UNIT AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S A FRONT.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL TRICK IF, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT.
I'M ALSO OPEN TO THE IDEA OF DOING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF UNIT THERE, LIKE A TOWNHOUSE THAT MIGHT GIVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF LOOK AND FEEL.
SO I THINK THOSE TWO EDGES TO ME ARE, ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND, UM, AND PROJECTING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY WITH, WITH HOUSES THAT FACE OUTWARD, TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S A POSITIVE IMAGE.
LOOKING AT THE PE, THE BACK OF PEOPLE'S YARDS AND SWIMMING POOLS AND, YOU KNOW,
UM, SO THAT'S ONE MAJOR THING.
THE OTHER IS THIS IDEA OF THE CONNECTED GREEN SPACE, I THINK, UH, PLAYS EXTREMELY WELL INTO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BY EXTENDING ROAD C STRAIGHT ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE OPEN SPACE AND THEN TURNING IT NORTH THAT YOU COULD HAVE A GREENWAY AS PART OF THAT STREET, UM, OR AEG OR SEGMENTED LIKE WE SAW IN THE STAFF, UH, DIAGRAM SO THAT YOU HAVE THIS, AND I THINK YOU'VE HEARD THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS TALK ABOUT SUPPORTING THAT IDEA THIS EAST TO WEST GREENWAY.
AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE GREEN SPACE THAT'S OUT ON THE EDGE.
THIS IS THE COMMUNITIES CONNECTOR.
SO YOU CONNECT, YOU KNOW, SUB NEIGHBORHOOD TO SUB NEIGHBORHOOD TO SUB NEIGHBORHOOD ALTOGETHER.
THAT'S THE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE REALLY EXCITING.
AND I THINK BOTH OF THESE THINGS ARE, COULD BE EASILY INTEGRATED INTO THIS PLAN AND I THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT JUST INCREDIBLE.
I THINK IT'S A REALLY SOLID PLAN.
THERE'S SO MANY GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT AND I THINK IT JUST NEEDS SOME TWEAKS.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, UH, I ECHO A LOT OF WHAT MR. WAY SAID.
I WANNA ADD JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THANK YOU FOR REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY THIS EARLY.
THAT IS ALWAYS, UM, IT MAKES OUR JOBS A LITTLE BIT EASIER, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, I ALSO ECHO THE, THE VARIETY OF HOUSING MATERIALS, THE, THE SIDE SETBACKS, THE GARAGE SETBACKS.
I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
IT, IT PROBABLY TOOK MY THIRD REVIEW FOR ME TO ACTUALLY SEE THE I ON THE, THE EASTERN MOST I SECTION.
YOU KNOW, IT TOOK ME A MINUTE TO REALIZE THAT H WASN'T HOUSES.
IT TOOK ME A LITTLE BIT MORE TO REALIZE THAT WESTERN I WAS ACTUALLY OPEN SPACE BETWEEN HOUSES AND THEN, WELL TONIGHT
UH, I THINK THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING ABOUT SIDELOADED GARAGES TO HAVE THOSE HOMES THAT BORDER, THAT KIND OF BELT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, A HALF BELT OR A FULL NEIGHBORHOOD BELT OF GREENWAY TO OPEN THAT UP VISUALLY EVEN WIDER BY HAVING THAT PARTICULAR, THE ADJACENT HOMES, SIDELOADED GARAGES.
SO VIEW CORRIDOR OR WISE TO OPEN IT UP.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE AT CRAYONS ON PAPER, RIGHT? THIS IS CONCEPT PLAN.
WE'RE NOT EVEN THROWING DOWN DUPE BLOW BLOCKS YET.
BUT, UH, FOR EARLY FEEDBACK, UH, I, I LOVE THE OPEN SPACE THAT'S DUBLIN, RIGHT? DUBLIN'S KNOWN PRA BEING GREEN.
I THINK ON THE EASTERN MOST EDGE YOU STILL FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN COLUMBUS UNTIL YOU GET TO THE GREEN SPACE.
IF YOU LOOK AT PARCEL FOR PARCEL, IT PRETTY MUCH MATCHES UP ON THAT SOUTHERN EDGE.
AND WE DON'T TYPICALLY SEEK TO LOOK LIKE OUR COLUMBUS NEIGHBORS.
WE'RE WE'RE, WE LIKE OUR GREEN SPACE, WE LIKE OUR OPEN SPACE, WE LIKE OUR VIEW CORRIDORS.
WE LIKE CLUSTERING THAT DENSITY, WHICH IS WHY I THINK YOU'VE HEARD, HEY, STRATEGIC UTILIZATION OF A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES,
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MAYBE ADD IN A COUPLE OF TOWN HOMES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, HEY, JUST GET RID OF UNITS.
THIS IS AS INTENSE ON IT, ON ITS EASTERN EDGE AS THE SOUTHERN AREA DENSITY.
YOU'VE HIGHLIGHTED YOURSELVES, DENSITY.
THIS IS NOWHERE NEAR LIKE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER, BUT THE INTENSITY IS STILL THERE.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS YOU COME BACK TO US FOR FUTURE REVIEWS.
WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UNDERSTANDING THIS IS NON-BINDING FEEDBACK.
UH, WE, WE'VE SEEN A FEW ITERATIONS OF THIS AND HONESTLY IT'S, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PRODUCT.
YOU'VE HEARD ARCHITECTURAL DISCUSSIONS, YOU'VE HEARD SOME SETBACK VARIETIES AND OF COURSE THANK YOU FOR TAKING CONSIDERATION OF THOSE SETBACKS WITH THE RAILROAD ON THE EAST COS GRAY ON THE WEST, AND OF COURSE TUTTLE CROSSING ON THE NORTH.
ALRIGHT, AS THIS IS A NON-ACTION ITEM, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON
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OUR AGENDA IS COMMUNICATIONS.SO LOOKING TO STAFF TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS FOR THIS EVENING.
UM, JUST A COUPLE, UM, QUICK THINGS.
UM, AS VASA MENTIONED, THE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 1ST.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR INPUT AND OUR STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UM, FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS PROJECT.
SO THAT'S REALLY GREAT THAT THAT, UM, WAS ADOPTED.
SO THAT'LL BE, UM, AS BASSAM SHARED EFFECTIVE AUGUST 1ST.
SO WE ARE WORKING ON UPDATES TO THE WEBSITE, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THE NEW PLAN IS AVAILABLE, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL ALSO BE HAVING HARD COPY LIKE PRINTED COPIES, UM, SO IT WON'T JUST BE A WEB VERSION.
SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT WE'LL AGAIN, CONTINUE TO INCORPORATE THAT IN MORE DETAIL, UM, IN YOUR PLANNING REPORTS.
SO IF THERE'S SPECIFIC THINGS THAT YOU SEE IN THERE OR AS WE CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION, UM, TO HELP PROVIDE YOU WITH THE RIGHT INFORMATION, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO, TO LET US KNOW HOW WE CAN HELP, UM, HIT THE MARK FOR THAT.
UM, ON THE LINES OF THAT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, UM, WE ARE, WE PUT ON THE AGENDA THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO I'M GONNA INCLUDE, UM, IN YOUR PACKET TOMORROW, UM, SOME PREVIOUS STAFF REPORTS THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 10 OR SO YEARS.
SO YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF HOW WE'VE CHANGED THE REPORTS OVER THE YEARS AND IDENTIFY IF THERE'S SOME, UM, THINGS THAT YOU LIKED THAT WE DID BEFORE AND SARAH DID, UM, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITH SOME CHARTS AND SOME GRAPHS AND THINGS IN YOUR REPORT FOR TONIGHT TO SORT OF GIVE AN IDEA OF LIKE, WE COULD INCLUDE INFORMATION THIS WAY.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU, UM, AND, AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK.
NOT IT'S JUST ABOUT REPORTS, BUT ANYTHING, UM, THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP MAKE YOUR, YOUR DECISIONS AND YOUR LIVES EASIER UP THERE.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S HARD TO SYNTHESIZE THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT WE GIVE YOU SOMETIMES.
SO, UM, I DID SEND A LINK TO A SURVEY TOO THAT GETS INTO SOME REALLY IN DEPTH QUESTIONS.
SO IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT.
UM, AND I'LL TRY TO DEFINITELY HAVE THOSE RESULTS BEFORE OUR MEETING NEXT WEEK SO WE CAN SEE THAT WAS SENT TO COUNCIL AND IT'LL BE SENT TO OUR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TOO.
SO THAT WILL GIVE US A CHANCE TO TALK THROUGH AND FIGURE OUT, RIGHT, IS THERE CERTAIN THINGS, UM, THAT YOU ALL FEEL DIFFERENT? 'CAUSE EVERY BOARD'S DIFFERENT.
UM, SO HOW TO HELP UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT YOU ALL NEED.
SO, UM, THAT, AND THEN, YEAH, OUR NEXT MEETING IS NEXT WEEK, SO BACK TO BACK MEETINGS.
AND THEN THE NEXT TOUR DATE IS GIVE OR TAKE WHEN, OH DEAR.
UM, I THINK WE ENDED UP POSTPONING THAT.
I THINK IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE EARLIER THIS YEAR.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TRAINING WITH OUR, UM, BZA AND A RB.
THAT'S IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR.
'CAUSE WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF MEMBERS, UM, COME ONLINE.
SO WE WILL SEND OUT SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
WE ALSO HAD SOME CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR CHANGES.
SO WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST TOO, WHERE WE HAD SOME INITIAL MEETINGS OF, UH, OR A MEETING BEFORE EVERYONE COMES TOGETHER.
UM, BUT THAT'S AUGUST THE 22ND AND THEN THERE IS A COUNCIL JOINT WORK SESSION, SO COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION A RB AND BZA SEPTEMBER THE THIRD.
SO, UM, THAT WILL HELP US, I THINK THAT AUGUST MEETING WOULD BE GOOD IF THERE'S THINGS WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL.
'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES COUNCIL WANTS TO KNOW WHAT YOU ALL WANNA TALK ABOUT AND HEAR ABOUT.
SO, UM, DEFINITELY BE THINKING ABOUT FOR EITHER OF THOSE IF THERE'S THINGS TO WORK THROUGH.
UM, SPORTS OHIO IS PART OF DUBLIN'S LAND PURCHASE, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES ON THAT OR, UH, ANYTHING TO ADD WITH THAT? THAT, YEAH, NO, SORRY, YOU ASKED ME TO MENTION THAT AND I FORGOT.
UM, YEAH, SO THE CITY DID, UM, INITIATE THE PURCHASE OF, UM, SPORTS OHIO AS WELL AS THEN SOME ACREAGE, UM, ALONG 1 61 IN MADISON COUNTY.
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SO AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS INTERESTED IN HOW TO HELP, UM, PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO RETAIN OUR, UM, OUR GREAT ASSETS IN THE CITY.SO THAT'S JUST PART OF COUNCIL'S LONG TERM, UM, PLANS AND, AND ESPECIALLY IN THAT, IN THAT WEST INNOVATION AREA.
WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT? SO AT THIS POINT, THAT'LL CONTINUE TO BE RUN AS SPORTS OHIO WHILE WE, UM, TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT, UM, AND THEN DETERMINE WHAT TO, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT.
SO THAT PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN, UM, STARTED TO OUTLINE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH SPORTS OHIO AND DARI FIELD.
SO THAT'S JUST A CONTINUATION OF THAT CONVERSATION.
SO REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY PRESENTED ITSELF.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SO THANK YOU.
ANYTHING FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT, MR. WE MEETING GET TURNED.