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AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY OF DUB DUBLIN'S WEBSITE.
PLEASE JOIN ME NOW FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE ROLE.
WOULD YOU CALL THE RULE PLEASE? MR. ALEXANDER? HERE.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS ACCEPTANCE OF THE DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.SO I WILL NOW ACCEPT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 1ST REGULAR PZC MEETING.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATING A PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
OUR PROCEDURES TONIGHT WILL BE THE, A APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY THE STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE.
ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD TO ALLOW ALL A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS AND REFRAIN FROM REPEATING INFORMATION.
THE COMMISSION HAS RECEIVED ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS AND REVIEWED THEM.
FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM THE SIDE CONVERSATIONS, APPLAUSE OR OTHER AUDIBLE REACTION TO PUBLIC COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS OF THE COMMISSION, STAFF OR APPLICANTS.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID ON THE RECORD AND THAT ALL HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
THIS PROTECTS THE PROCESS, WHICH IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CONCERNED.
AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO SWEAR IN WITNESSES.
SO ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASE MUST BE SWORN IN.
SO IF YOU PLAN TO DO SO, PLEASE STAND AT THIS TIME, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TO THIS STATEMENT.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU.
[Case #25-090AFDP ]
CASE IS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, UH, THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.IT'S CASE NUMBER 25 DASH NINE A FDP, VISTA CHURCH COMMUNITY CHURCH RECREATION COURTS.
UM, WOULD ANYBODY ON THE COMMISSION LIKE TO REMOVE THIS FROM THE COM CONSENT AGENDA? UM, I DIDN'T HEAR THE CASE THE FIRST TIME IT WAS PRESENTED, SO I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, NOT A BIG CONCERN.
SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL IT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, STAFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO ASK, ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WITHOUT HAVING TO PULL IT FROM CONSENT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A CLARIFICATION WHERE THEY, UM, FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, WERE THEY, UM, PROVIDING ADDITIONAL LIGHTING? THERE'S NO LIGHTING PROPOSED.
AND ARE, DO THEY HAVE ANY HOURS OF LIMITATION WHEN THEY WERE JUST DAYLIGHT HOURS? YES.
AND I BELIEVE THE LATEST OF HOURS IS NINE, AND WE PURPOSELY PUT A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH US IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH THE ASSOCIATED NEIGHBORS.
SO IF THAT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC, WE'LL WORK WITH THE CHURCH.
I, THERE'S NO NEED TO PULL IT.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS CASE? NOT SEEING ANYBODY GETTING UP OR ANY HANDS.
SO I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
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ALRIGHT.[Case #26-066ADMC]
AM GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF FOR THE NEXT CASE AND TURN IT OVER TO MR. ALEXANDER TO RUN THAT.ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT CASE IS CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 0 6 6 A DMC ID TWO AND ID THREE.
TEXT MODIFICATIONS AND W WIND SETBACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL REQUEST FOR NON-BINDING FEEDBACK OF TEXT MODIFICATIONS TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN ZONING CODE SECTIONS 1 5 3 4 7 2 FOR THE ID TWO RESEARCH FLEX DISTRICT AND THE ID THREE RESEARCH ASSEMBLY DISTRICT AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK ON THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT SETBACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL.
UM, ZACH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE READY TO PROCEED.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, THIS IS, WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS HERE.
UM, THE PROCESS FOR THIS IS, UH, LISTED ON THE SCREEN.
AGAIN, THIS WENT ON OCTOBER 1ST AND THAT WAS FOR NON-BINDING FEEDBACK.
WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IS FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION, UM, ON THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENTS AND DESIGN MANUAL AS THIS PROCEEDS TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO WE ARE REQUESTING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND I'LL TALK AT THE END ABOUT, UM, WHAT THAT ENTAILS.
BUT AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT DIRECT FEEDBACK THAT WE CAN, UH, CONTINUE TO INCORPORATE AS WE MOVE THIS ALONG TO CITY COUNCIL WHO WOULD HAVE TO HEAR THIS TWICE MORE, WHICH WOULD BE EXPECTED IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.
UH, THIS WAS SHOWN AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
BUT REALLY QUICKLY TO SUMMARIZE, UM, THE SOLID COLORED PROPERTIES HERE IN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT.
THE YELLOW OUTLINE IS WHERE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT ARE, ARE CURRENTLY ZONED TO ID TWO AND ID THREE.
AND THE HATCHED AREA THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY WITHIN, UH, IT'S EITHER NOT ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OR IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ZONED TO THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST TO SHOW AGAIN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE CODE AMENDMENTS FOR ID TWO AND THREE HAVE A PRETTY BROAD, UH, REACH WITHIN THE DISTRICT, ABOUT 78% OF THE LAND AS STATED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING AS WELL.
UH, JUST FOR BACKGROUND, WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TASKED TO LOOK AT CURRENTLY IS THESE NEAR TERM REFINEMENTS.
SO LOOKING AT THE PERMITTED USES WITHIN THE ID TWO AND ID THREE AND POTENTIALLY REMOVING OR MODIFYING USES THAT DO NOT ALIGN WITH THE ESTABLISHED INTENT.
LOOKING AT USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR CERTAIN USES THAT MAY ALIGN WITH THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT, BUT WARRANT CLEAR COMPATIBILITY REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THE SETBACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL.
UM, AND THAT'S APPLICABLE TO THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, NOT JUST THE ID TWO AND ID THREE.
ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT HAS NOT BEEN CONSIDERED AS PART OF THESE REFINEMENTS AS THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE NEAR TERM.
AND REALLY JUST FOCUS ON THE USE SPECIFIC STUFF.
AND THEN THE SETBACK AND SCREENING.
SO ANYTHING THAT WOULD FALL INTO DISTRICT STRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OR THE REVIEW PROCESS.
WE'VE, UH, KIND OF PACKAGED THAT WITH WHAT WE COULD DO LONG TERM AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE ZONING CODE AND ENTIRE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS FOR THE CITY IN THE FUTURE.
SO WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION AT THE PREVIOUS, UH, MEETING ON OCTOBER 1ST, TO SUMMARIZE ON THE SCREEN, UM, GENERALLY WHAT WE HAD HEARD WAS A REQUEST FOR MORE, UH, SPECI SPECIFICITY FOR USES OF CONCERN, UH, SUCH AS MANUFACTURING, ASSEMBLY AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.
CLARIFYING HOW POLLUTANTS WOULD BE HANDLED FOR THESE INDUSTRIAL USES.
CLARIFYING HOW PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WOULD BE ADMINISTERED FOR INDUSTRIAL USES.
UM, CONSIDERING ADDING SOME OF THE USES BACK IN FOR ID TWO AND THREE TO ENCOURAGE MORE OF A MIX OF USES THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT.
AND THEN THERE WAS VARIED FEEDBACK ABOUT WHETHER THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK OF TYPE B UM, WAS APPROPRIATE OR WHETHER IT NEEDED TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE AND USABLE, UH, FOR DEVELOPERS.
THERE WAS SOME PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED DURING THAT MEETING AS WELL THAT SHARED CONCERNS ABOUT THE PERMITTED USES AND ITS REQUIREMENTS, UH, POTENTIAL NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, UH, REQUESTING TO INCREASE SETBACK DISTANCES AND THEN DECREASE BUILDING HEIGHTS, UH, WITHIN ID TWO AND ID THREE.
SO, UH, TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE UPDATES AND A LOT OF THESE WERE CAPTURED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE WERE TASKED WITH LOOKING AT THE USES THAT WERE REMOVED FROM ID TWO AND THREE OR PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
AND THOSE ARE IN RED, UM, BASED ON STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF THE INTENT LANGUAGE WITHIN ID TWO AND THREE, THE PROPOSED LIST THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN FOR ID TWO.
AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE WITH ID THREE, UM, WE STILL BELIEVE THAT THEY PROVIDE THE BEST ALIGNMENT WITH THE AREAS
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DESIGNATED FOR FLEX INNOVATION AND INDUSTRIAL LAND USES.UM, THE GOAL OF THESE LAND USES AND THESE ZONING DISTRICTS IS TO ENSURE EMPLOYMENT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ADVANCES THE DISTRICT'S PRIMARY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES.
UM, AND THEN THE COMMERCIALLY ORIENTED USES THAT MOSTLY ARE IN RED HERE, THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED FROM THESE DISTRICTS.
THEY'RE STILL EXPECTED TO PLAY A PART IN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT JUST BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE REMOVED FROM TWO AND THREE.
DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T EXPECT THOSE IN OTHER AREAS OF THIS DISTRICT IS A BIG DISTRICT WITH DIFFERENT NODES.
SO, UM, WE WOULD FULLY ANTICIPATE THOSE TYPES OF USES TO BE IN MORE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE MIXED USE OR DEVELOPMENTS ALONG 1 61 CLOSE TO OU OR CLOSE TO THE PREMIER ATHLETIC COMPLEX.
SO, UM, WITH THAT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND, UH, THESE USES REMAIN IN THESE DISTRICT AND ARE STILL PROPOSING, UH, WHAT WAS PROVIDED BACK AT THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING.
WHEN IT COMES TO PERMITT USES, UM, THE ONLY CHANGE THAT WE DID HAVE WITH THIS, AS IT STANDS TODAY, TRANSIT STATIONS ARE OUTRIGHT PERMITTED IN ID THREE.
AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD SHOWN THAT BEING REMOVED WITH THIS WE'RE PROPOSING THAT TRANSITION OR TRANSIT STATION WOULD BE CONDITIONAL.
THE THING WITH THAT IS WE DON'T WANT THIS TO JUST BE ALLOWED ANYWHERE.
THIS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACCOMMODATING THE WEST DUBLIN PASSENGER RAIL STATION DEPENDING ON WHERE IT LANDS.
IF WE'RE BASING IT OFF OF STANDARD ZONING DISTRICTS, THERE'S SOME TRANSITION BETWEEN ID THREE AND ID FOUR UP WHERE THE STATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
SO THIS JUST ALLOWS THAT LATITUDE OF, IT'S AN EXPECTED DEVELOPMENT, WE CALL IT OUT IN OUR SPECIAL AREA PLAN, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE HAVE THAT ESTABLISHED IN THE CODE.
SO THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT'S TIED TO THIS VIA USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT STATES THAT THESE ARE ONLY PERMITTED WHEN THEY, UH, ALIGN WITH THE LOCATIONS SHOWN WITHIN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT SPECIAL AREA PLAN.
SO, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
UM, WE DID ADD A USE SPECIFIC STANDARD FOR BIOSAFETY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ID SIX LANGUAGE BEFORE.
UM, BUT FOR MANUFACTURING ASSEMBLY R AND D USES THAT THESE BUSINESSES CANNOT BE THE BIOSAFETY LEVEL THREE OR FOUR.
UM, THEY WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED IN ID TWO OR THREE OR ANYWHERE WITHIN THE US INNOVATION DISTRICT.
SO, UM, BASED ON THAT LANGUAGE, THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, AND THEN JUST LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE EXISTING OUT IN THIS, THESE DISTRICTS, UM, IT PROVIDES STAFF WITH A LOT OF TEETH TO, TO BE ABLE TO LIMIT THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF ANY NEGATIVE, UM, OPERATIONS THAT MAY OCCUR WITHIN INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH ACTIVITIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE CODE TODAY ADDRESSES OPERATIONS AND REQUIRING THEM TO OPERATE ENTIRELY WITHIN ENCLOSED BUILDINGS.
UH, CONTROLS THE LOCATION AND SCREENING OF LOADING SPACES AND STORAGE AND MECHANICAL AREAS.
IT ALREADY ESTABLISHES SETBACKS THAT ESTABLISHES LANDSCAPE AND BUFFERING, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE ID THREE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
UM, ON TOP OF THAT, THERE'S BUILDING AND FIRE CODE, WHICH ARE REALLY GOOD AT REGULATING A LOT OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING WITHIN THE BUILDING WITH THAT ZONING IS REALLY, IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING FOR ZONING TO, TO ADDRESS.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY THERE'S AN EXISTING REVIEW PROCESS AS WELL.
UM, THESE APPLICATIONS WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A RT AND A RT HAS THE ABILITY TO KICK PROJECTS UP TO PLANNING COMMISSION IF IT'S DEEMED THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT, UH, IMPACTS OR POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THERE'S A LOT THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING IN THE CODE, UM, THAT STAFF FEELS REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO, TO MEET WITH FUTURE DEVELOPERS OR ANYONE INTERESTED OUT HERE AND BEING ABLE TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE INTENT OF THIS DISTRICT IS AND WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO SO THAT WE'RE PROTECTING SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MR. CLARK AND HE'LL TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE UPDATES WITH THE, UH, SIT PACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL.
WE ARE THE CONSULTANT TEAM WORKING ON THE SETBACK AND SCREENING STANDARDS FOR THE WID.
UH, IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.
UH, SO JUST A QUICK REMINDER, THE MAP UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS THE OVERALL, UM, APPROACH THAT PRESENTED LAST TIME, UM, AS IT RELATES TO SETBACKS, UM, AND THEIR ASSOCIATED STREET TYPOLOGIES.
SO WE HAVE THE TYPE A CLASSIFICATION, WHICH WAS THE ID SIX, UM, COS GRAY ROAD ALONG ID SIX, UM, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.
AND THEN TYPE B, C AND D, UM, COVER THE STREETS THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE DISTRICT.
UM, AND THOSE ARE, UM, 100 FEET, 50 FEET, 35 FEET, UM, AS NOTED THERE.
UM, WITH LOCAL STREETS, AGAIN, BEING THOSE STREETS MORE INTERNAL TO DEVELOPMENT SITES.
UM, SO WE HAVEN'T MADE, UM, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE DOCUMENTS SINCE LAST TIME.
WE DID GO THROUGH AND CLEAN SOME, SOME ITEMS UP, JUST SOME BASIC HOUSEKEEPING THINGS, UM, IMPROVE THE EASE OF USE, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
UH, BUT THE ONE, THE ONE CHANGE THAT WE DID DISCUSS LAST TIME AND THAT WE'VE COME HERE WITH A COUPLE OPTIONS FOR, UH, TONIGHT IS THE TYPE B CLASSIFICATION.
UM, THE SETBACK ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, UH, IDENTIFIED AS 100 FEET.
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IS ON SCREEN NOW IS THAT CURRENT, UM, LANGUAGE THAT IS IN THE DOCUMENT.THIS IS THE SIX TO 10 FOOT HIGH MOUND REQUIREMENT, UM, WITH THE SIX ONE AND THREE ONE SLOPES.
UM, 100 FOOT SETBACK FROM RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THAT SETBACK APPLIES TO BUILDINGS AND PAVEMENT, UM, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE TYPOLOGIES, UM, CURRENTLY IN THE DOCUMENT FOR THE, FOR THE WIDTH.
UM, SO I KNOW THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF, OF CONCERN OR CONVERSATION AROUND WAS THAT TOO MUCH, UM, TOO, TOO FAR OF A SETBACK.
IS IT, UM, IMPACTING DEVELOPABLE LAND TOO MUCH? UM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, BALANCING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE, UM, THE CHARACTER THAT THE CITY'S LOOKING TO ESTABLISH AND THE, THE SCREENING THAT WE'VE BEEN CHARGED WITH ACCOMMODATING.
UM, WE, WE DO, YOU KNOW, FEEL THAT THIS IS, UM, THE APPROPRIATE APPROACH HERE IN TERMS OF SETBACK, DISTANCE AND MOUND HEIGHT AND PLANTING.
UM, BUT WE DID BRING A COUPLE OPTIONS FOR, FOR CONVERSATION, UM, JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL.
SO THIS FIRST ALTERNATIVE, UM, LOOKS AT A, UH, REDUCING THE SIX TO 10 FOOT REQUIREMENT DOWN TO SIX TO EIGHT FEET FOR THE MOUND.
UM, KEEPING THE 100 FOOT SETBACK.
BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, TYPE A IN THIS CASE AND ALL THE OTHER, UM, STREET TYPOLOGIES WOULD BE THAT THIS, THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR PAVEMENT TO BE WITHIN THAT 100 FOOT SETBACK.
SO IN THIS CASE, THE 100 FOOT SETBACK WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THE BUILDING.
YOU COULD GET, UM, PARKING SERVICE, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO LIKELY NEED TO, UM, EXIST AROUND EACH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
ANYWAYS, UM, THOSE WOULD BE ABLE TO TO BE, UM, IMPLEMENTED WITHIN THAT 100 FOOT SETBACK.
UM, SO A COUPLE EXAMPLES THERE.
THE TOP ONE SHOWING, YOU KNOW, UM, ACCOMMODATED A SIX FOOT MOUND, UM, WITH PAVEMENT, UM, IN THAT 100 FOOT SETBACK.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM ONE SHOWING THAT SORT OF UPPER HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET, UM, WITH A RETAINING WALL THAT ALLOWS YOU TO GET PAVEMENT WITHIN THAT SETBACK.
UH, SO AGAIN, SAME SETBACK, UH, JUST ONLY APPLIES TO THE BUILDING IN THIS CASE.
AND THEN THE SECOND, UM, ALTERNATIVE, UM, IS THAT WE LOWER THE MOUNT HEIGHT REQUIREMENT DOWN TO SIX FEET, UM, AND REDUCE THE SETBACK DISTANCE TO 80 FEET.
UM, BUT KEEPING IT, UM, UH, CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE OTHER TYPOLOGIES THAT WOULD APPLY THEN TO, TO BUILDINGS AND PAVEMENT.
UM, BUT THE SETBACK WOULD BE REDUCED, UM, 20 FEET FROM THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION.
AND SO THIS HAS, UM, THIS SLIDE IS ILLUSTRATING THAT CURRENT RECOMMENDATION ON THE LEFT AND THEN ON THE RIGHT IS THE, UH, TWO ALTERNATIVES THAT I JUST SHARED.
SO NEXT STEPS FOR US, UM, THE ANTICIPATED MEETING SCHEDULE IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
AGAIN, AS STATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, UH, WE ARE STILL REQUIRED TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL TWICE FOR A FIRST HEARING AND THEN A SECOND HEARING AND DETERMINATION.
WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, INCLUDING DIRECTION FOR WHICH TYPE B SCREENING THE COMMISSION WOULD FIND MOST APPROPRIATE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AGAIN, IF THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS OR ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HEAR THOSE AND, AND CONSIDER THOSE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND THOSE WOULD BE SHARED WITH CITY COUNCIL AS PART OF THAT RECORD.
SO, UM, WITH THAT WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THE O REALLY THE ONLY SUBSTANTIAL OR CHANGES OF SUBSTANCE THAT YOU'VE MADE ARE THE MODIFICATION TO THE USES SINCE OUR LAST MEETING.
UM, THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARD FOR BIOSAFETY AND THEN THE SETBACK AND SCREENING ALTERNATIVES THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED.
SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE LAST MEETING.
SO COMMISSION MEMBERS, WHO WOULD ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T KNOW.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE SCREENING THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED LAST TIME AROUND, SO I THINK IT WAS OTHERS THAT HAD SOME CONCERNS ON THAT.
DAN, KATHY, THE SCREENING IN PARTICULAR? WELL, UH, WELL WE WE'RE SORT OF MOVING INTO DISCUSSION 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD PUBLIC COMMENT YET, SO I WAS JUST CHECKING TO SEE IF WE HAD QUESTIONS FOR ZACH AND THEN WE'LL, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT A RT MIGHT KICK THINGS BACK TO P AND Z FOR? LIKE, UH, I SAW THE KIND OF DEFINITIONS, BUT JUST ANY IDEAS? SO WE HAVE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE THAT HAS HAD TO KICK UP TO PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKING FOR DEVIATIONS TO SETBACKS.
UM, SO THERE ARE THREE CRITERIA THAT ARE LAID OUT IN THE CODE AND THERE ARE THREE SITUATIONS WHERE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO, WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ENGAGED WITH THIS.
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UM, THE FIRST IS IF THERE'S REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NOT BEING MET THAT THE A RT IS NOT ABLE TO MEET, UM, THAT'S A CLEAR ONE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO KICK UP A RT REVIEWS THE PROJECT STILL, BUT THEN THE ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT THAT DO NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS REQUIRE A PLANNING COMMISSION'S APPROVAL.UM, THE SECOND IS IF THERE ARE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURES THAT ARE REVIEWED BY THE A RT AND THEY'RE DENIED ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURES, THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF DEVIATION THAT A RT CAN APPROVE AND REVIEW.
UM, BUT IF THOSE ARE DENIED, THEN THE APPLICANT MAY GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET A SECOND OPINION ON THOSE.
UM, THE THIRD IS IF IT'S DEEMED BY THE A RT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE, THAT THE PROJECT WOULD CREATE SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY IMPACTS, THEN A RT MAY CHOOSE TO, TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS ABOVE WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO APPROVE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE PLANNING COMMISSION WEIGH IN ON THIS.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE CATEGORIES THAT EXIST TODAY.
UM, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T HAD TOO MANY EXAMPLES OF REALLY ALL, ALL THREE OF THEM QUITE YET.
AND SO FOR COMMUNITY IMPACTS, IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE THINKING ABOUT NOISE OR IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT EXCEPTIONS TO SOME OF THE POLLUTION DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD? I THINK SOMETHING THAT COULD FIT WITHIN THAT IS IF THERE'S A PROJECT THAT IT MAY MEET ZONING REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT.
THAT'S ONE WHERE I CAN SEE THAT BEING KICKED UP.
AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T, IT'S HARD TO SAY AT THIS POINT AND THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY IT'S THIS SPECIFICALLY AND THIS WILL GET KICKED UP.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY THAT'S, THERE'S A LOT THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER AS PART OF THIS, INCLUDING WHAT, WHAT WE MAY HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC DURING WHATEVER PROJECT IT IS.
AND, UM, IF THEY PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT POTENTIAL RED FLAGS FOR US, SUCH AS NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OR NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT I THINK COULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THAT.
UM, AND SO YEAH, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT AT LEAST THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT AND THAT'LL BE ONE OF THEIR CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT GOES DOWN TO THE DIVISION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT ID LEVELS.
UM, ALONG THOSE LINES, I, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SMOKE STACKS IN PARTICULAR LAST TIME.
WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THOSE OR SO WE DID, WE DID REVIEW THAT AND CONSIDERED, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF STRUCTURES, WE HAVE A, AGAIN, THE 55 FOOT BUILDING HEIGHT WOULD RESTRICT ANY SORT OF STRUCTURE EXCEEDING THAT.
UM, IT'S NOT JUST THE BUILDING ITSELF, BUT AGAIN, YOU, YOU BRING UP SMOKESTACK THAT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO EXCEED 55 FEET.
UM, PART OF, AND WE LAID THIS OUT AND EXPLAINED THIS IN THE, THE PLANNER REPORT, BUT I THINK BASED ON THE LANGUAGE FOR THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND THAT BEING CLEAR THAT WHATEVER IS HAPPENING ON A SITE CANNOT HAVE ANY, UM, NEGATIVE IMPACT BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE OR, OR TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
THE BIOSAFETY REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS AND THE CODE THAT TALK ABOUT OPERATIONS OF A USE HAVE TO OCCUR FULLY WITHIN A BUILDING.
THEY CAN'T OPERATE OUT ON THE SITE.
THEY'RE STILL ALLOWED TO HAVE SOME STORAGE OUT ON THE SITE, BUT THE USE CANNOT OPERATE OUTSIDE OF THE, THE BUILDING.
UM, THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS FROM RESIDENTIAL AND, AND FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES, EXISTING SETBACKS, REQUIREMENTS FOR LOADING AND SERVICE SERVICE AREAS.
AND THOSE ALSO HAVE TO BE FULLY SCREENED FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
OUR STAFF FELT THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH IN HERE THAT AS WELL AS THE INTENT FOR THESE DISTRICTS IN ID THREE, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THAT INCLUDES CLEAN MANUFACTURING REQUIREMENTS AND ID TWO IS INTENDED TO BE SMALL TO MEDIUM SIZED BUILDINGS THAT USUALLY ARE GONNA HAVE MULTIPLE TENANTS OR IT'S GONNA BE A SINGLE TENANT BUILDING THAT IS A SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
I THINK THOSE GIVE US ENOUGH TEETH WHEN WE'RE MEETING AND TALKING WITH DEVELOPERS OR, OR ANYONE LOOKING OUT IN THIS AREA TO SAY, THIS IS THE INTENT, THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS, AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA STEER AWAY A LOT OF THOSE TYPES OF, OF USES.
I APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, REPORT THIS EVENING AND SO FORTH.
A COUPLE SINCE WE, UM, ARE SPEAKING ABOUT A RT AND, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE A QUICK TURNAROUND THAT YOU COULD BE HAVING IS, IS THAT GONNA GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE WORD OUT TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, UM, THEIR INPUT? WE ARE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY THE, THE PUBLIC OF AN APPLICATION WITHIN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT WITHIN 10 DAYS OF RECEIVING A COMPLETED APPLICATION.
UM, SO THAT IS, WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO THAT REGARDLESS.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, THE TIME FROM GETTING THE APPLICATION TO ACTUALLY BEING BEFORE A RT, UM,
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A LOT OF TIMES WE WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING THEM IN THE BEST SPOT POSSIBLE, UM, TO GO BEFORE A BOARD AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ADDRESSING ALL THE CRITERIA AND CONDITIONS POSSIBLE.SO THERE, YES, THERE'S THAT NUMBER, UM, THAT'S CALLED OUT IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF DAYS OR THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS, OR AS AGREED UPON WITH THE DEVELOPER BETWEEN STAFF AND AND THEM.
SO IN ALMOST ALL CASES THAT WE'VE HAD, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IS WE WORK WITH THEM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SETTING THEM UP FOR SUCCESS.
UM, THEY COULD CERTAINLY PUSH US AND WANTING TO GO WITHIN WHATEVER IT IS, 21 DAYS.
UM, BUT OUR STAFF IS GONNA HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS AND A LOT OF, UM, THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE ADDRESSED AND A TEAM MAY CHOOSE NOT TO VOTE ON IT AT THAT TIME.
UM, SO WE HAVE NOT RUN INTO THAT.
I FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD A REALLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THE DOOR AND WANTED TO, TO BUILD OUT HERE.
WE ALSO HAVEN'T HAD TOO MANY MAJOR APPLICATIONS OUT HERE YET EITHER.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN AND, AND HOW WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UH, YOU KNOW, MR. CHINOOK IS THE ONE WHO REALLY BROUGHT UP THE SITUATION OF MAYBE, UM, WE NEED TO REDUCE SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, LINES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
UM, JUST THINKING ON THAT LINE, UH, TELL ME ABOUT THE TREE WAIVERS AND HOW WOULD THEY BECOME IN PLAY IF IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T CONSIDER MOUNDS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT DOES THAT CHANGE IT? 'CAUSE I COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME SITUATION COMING WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY COSTLY AND SO THEN THEY'RE GOING FOR LIKE A TREE WAIVER DEVELOPERS AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS YES.
I MEAN, IF THEY WERE TO NOT MEET IT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ASK FOR A DEVIATION FROM THOSE TYPES OF REQUIREMENTS.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOT A TREE WAIVER.
COULD THEY ASK FOR A TREE WAIVER? TREE WAIVER'S A DIFFERENT, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING TREES SITUATION.
A TREE WAIVER IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE PURVIEW OVER AND THAT'S REALLY ONLY APPLICABLE WHEN THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TREES OR VEGETATION ON A SITE WHERE IT'S, IT'S MAYBE TOO COST PROHIBITIVE TO REPLACE ALL OF THEM.
I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVE ANY SITES OUT IN THIS DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, IT, IT'S REALLY JUST COMES DOWN TO WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PLANT FOR PER THE PLAN AND, UM, THEM HAVING TO, TO SHOW HOW THEY'RE MEETING THAT AND MM-HMM
SO THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE PLAN, UH, ASKING FOR A TREE WAIVER AT ALL.
AND THEN, UH, LAST QUESTION, SORRY, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THEY WILL COME INTO PLAY WHEN ALL THIS IS DONE.
AND, AND, AND DO YOU FEEL LIKE, UM, THEIR REGULATIONS NEED TO, NEED TO BE, UM, UH, UP UPDATED OR, UM, CODES CHANGED OR THEY CAN WORK WITH THE, UH, EPA OF COURSE AND THEY'VE GOT LOTS OF DIFFERENT, UM, AVENUES OUT THERE? YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S INCLUDED HERE IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT OUR MOST RECENTLY UPDATED PUBLIC NUISANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT WE DO ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY AND THAT'S, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BEING CONSISTENT IN HOW WE APPLY THIS BOTH IN THE WESTERN NATION DISTRICT, BUT ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THIS LANGUAGE AND LOOKING AT IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
LAST QUESTION I HAD WAS JUST ABOUT, UM, UH, ALL THE TRUCKS COMING THROUGH POSSIBLY AND GOING DOWN ROADS AND SO FORTH, UH, AND WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE, UH, IS THERE A WAY TO, UH, HAVE THEM COME A DIFFERENT LOCATION OR COME IN A DIFFERENT, ON THE MAIN ROADS THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AS WELL TOO? THAT IT'S NOT THAT NOISE FACTOR? BASICALLY, OBVIOUSLY ALL THE PLANNING THAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS BASED ON ENVISION DUBLIN, SO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE OTHER ASPECTS OF, UH, THE, THE PLANNING PROJECTS, UH, ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC AND THE USES AND ALL OF THOSE WERE STUDIED BEFORE.
SO AS THE ROADS GET IMPROVED, UH, THOSE ARE ALL CONSIDERED, UM, NOISE.
IF THERE IS NOISE COMPLAINT AS, UH, ZACH MENTIONED, THE UPDATED NUISANCE ORDINANCE WILL, UH, WILL ADDRESS THAT.
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ALRIGHT.IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS TODD HEMMER, LIVE AT 58 24 HOCHER ROAD.
UM, OVERALL, HOPEFULLY YOU RE-READ MY, UH, NOTE I ALREADY SENT IN, AND I'D LIKE TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
SO HOWEVER YOU MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AMENDMENTS, I DON'T FEEL IT'S STILL READY FOR CITY COUNCIL.
THE LOGIC ISN'T REALLY BEEN, UH, LAID OUT VERY WELL OF WHY THINGS WERE REMOVED.
YOU DID, UH, ZACH DID EXPLAIN, THEY JUST FOLLOWED THE, THE, UH, OVERALL, UM, LETTER OF WHAT THEY COMMITTED FOR THE ZONING AREA.
UH, ALSO THE MEASUREMENT METHODS, AS WE MENTIONED LAST TIME, WERE NOT ADDRESSED.
THERE'S MANY ITEMS THAT THE PEOPLE BROUGHT UP CONCERNS, AND THERE'S NO LIST OF THOSE ITEMS OF CONCERNS AND THE COUNTERMEASURES HAVE NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED.
SO THIS CONTINUES TO HAPPEN, BECOMES VERY, VERY FRUSTRATING FOR THE RESIDENTS.
UM, ALSO, FINALLY, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN THING IS WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOOD, THEIR, THEIR SAFETY AND HEALTH.
AND, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE THE COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW IS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ECONOMIC GROWTH THAN THE PEOPLE'S SAFETY AND THEIR HEALTH.
SO, STEPPING BACK, I HAVE SOME EXAMPLES THAT ARE KIND OF CONCERNING FOR ME.
UH, ORIGINALLY THAT MADE AN I SIX, AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT MAP, THE HOORA ROAD RESIDENTS A HUNDRED ACRES ARE NOW SURROUNDED BY ID 2 93.
WHY WAS NOT THE ID SIX CONSIDERED AT LEAST A PORTION OF IT TO GO AROUND THAT COMMUNITY? WHY WAS THAT DEEMED NOT ACCEPTABLE OR START A STARTING POINT? NOW WE'RE FIGHTING TO TRY AND REDUCE ID TWO AND I THREE'S IMPACTS TO THE SAME COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE.
SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOMETHING ABOUT WHY ID SIX CAN'T BE APPLIED AROUND THAT AREA.
AND THEN FURTHERMORE, LIKE THE WAREHOUSING AND DISTRI WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION CENTERS, THERE'S BEEN NOTHING DONE FOR THAT.
UH, THERE'S ONE ON INDUSTRIAL ROAD, THERE'S TWO OF 'EM ON INDUSTRIAL ROAD BY THE WAY.
THERE'S A FEDEX ONE WITH A HUNDRED SOME DOCKS THAT CAN OPERATE 24 HOURS, A 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
SCOTT'S LAWN HAS A HUGE FACILITY.
IF YOU GO AND DROP PAST THAT, IT'S PROBABLY AN 18 FOOT MOUNT.
I I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A FERTILIZER AND A MASSIVE BOMB THAT COULD HAPPEN WITH AN ACCIDENT.
SO THERE'S NO NO STOPPING THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE WEST, INDI IN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT EITHER.
SO THERE'S LOTS OF ITEMS THAT STILL HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
UM, AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY BEFORE THINKING ABOUT AN ECONOMIC IMPACT OF 17 HOUR JOBS, UH, FOR WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION.
AND UH, FINALLY, YOU KNOW, I I STILL, THE, THE MAIN THING IS WE CAN LOOK AT ID SIX FIRST.
IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, THEN THE WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION CENTERS SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL, NOT PERMITTED.
UH, EVEN MANUFACTURING ASSEMBLIES SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL IF IT CAN'T, IF IT CAN'T BE REMOVED TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SEE THESE ITEMS. YOU MENTIONED ART.
YEAH, ART IS, UH, GONNA BE FAST AND QUICK AND THE PUBLIC PROBABLY ISN'T GONNA HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY APPROVED.
SO I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ART PROCESS THAT IT WON'T BE ENOUGH.
AND SO FINALLY, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT READY.
PLEASE GO BACK AND SHOW THE PUBLIC'S CONCERNS AND THE COUNTERMEASURES.
UH, MY NAME IS RICHARD WEEKS 5 8 2 6 HOOCHIE ROAD.
UH, I'D LIKE TO SECOND MOST OF WHAT HE SAID.
UH, AND IN ADDITION, I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ASKED A NUMBER OF TIMES FOR ID SIX TO BE CONSIDERED, ESPECIALLY SURROUNDING THE HOARD ROAD AREA.
UM, THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST WAY TO ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE CURRENT CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HAVE.
SO I REALLY WISH THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER THAT.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE READY TO GO BACK TO THE, UH, CITY WITH ALL OF THIS STUFF UNTIL SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE ADDRESSED.
UH, DANIEL ERS WITH, UH, DLR GROUP ARCHITECTS REPRESENTING, UM, MY CLIENT WHO IS, UH, MAZAR HUSSEIN.
WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH 'EM ON THE COS GRAY COMMONS, UH, SITE ON 1 61, UH, BETWEEN COS GRAY AND UM, UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD, OUR, UH, WE, WE JUST SAW A LOT OF THIS, UM, INFORMATION COMING OUT.
UM, A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE SPECIFICALLY ARE AROUND MIXED USE DESIGNATION.
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TWO LOOKING TO GET CHANGED, UH, TO A MIXED USE, UH, ZONE, WHAT'S NOT IDENTIFIED IN THE OVERALL GUIDELINES.AND WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE GUIDELINES DON'T ADDRESS A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT.
IT'S ONLY ADDRESSING CURRENTLY AROUND A LOT OF THE OTHER USES.
UM, AND HEARING THE, UH, AND SEEING THE, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATION, YOU KNOW, TRANSIT CENTER BEING CONDITIONAL, WE'D LIKE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WAYS THAT, UH, MIXED USE OR FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES ARE ADDRESSED IN THE GUIDELINES.
UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS THAT OUR OVERALL DEVELOPMENT IS, UH, HOW IT INTERACTS WITH COS GRAY AND UNIVERSITY IS A MUCH MORE OF AN URBAN AND URBAN EDGE TO IT, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE CURRENT, UH, GUIDELINES ACTUALLY OUTLINE.
UH, SO WOULD BE LOOKING FOR WAYS THAT THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED AND NOT SOMETHING THAT GETS, UM, OVERLAID OR APPLIED TO, UH, FUTURE DESIGNATION USE.
AGAIN, SIMILAR TO THE, UH, POTENTIAL TRANSIT, UM, THAT ALLOWS THIS TO, GIVES US THE ABILITY TO HAVE, UH, THE EDGE DESIGN THAT MEETS THE USE IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S BEING FULLY ADDRESSED.
HAVEN'T SEEN WHERE EXACTLY IT CALLS OUT MIXED USE WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.
AND SO JUST LOOKING FOR MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO BE, UH, INCLUDED IN AS THAT MOVES FORWARD.
AMY SCHEIBEL 58 84 BARONS COURT WAY, UM, IN BALANCE TRAY.
I UM, STILL THINK THAT THE CODE IS PRETTY VAGUE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NOISE.
UM, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC LIMITS.
UM, THERE'S NO WAY TO HOLD THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS TO, UM, A CERTAIN LEVEL.
ALSO WITH THE CHANGES IN THE SETBACK, UH, I NOTICED THAT THERE WERE CHANGES, UH, THAT THERE ARE HOMES STILL THAT BACK UP TO SHIRE RINGS AND THAT WAS SET AT 80 FEET.
UM, AND THEN FUTURE ROAD IS ALSO NOT CONSIDERED WITH THE SETBACK.
THERE'S 200 FEET ALONG COS GRAY, BUT THERE ARE OTHER HOMES THAT ARE SURROUNDING THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT AND THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WHEN LOOKING AT THAT SETBACK.
NOBODY WANTS TO BE IN THEIR HOME LOOKING AT INDUSTRIAL USE OR HEAR THAT.
SO I WOULD CONSIDER LOOKING AT THE CODE LANGUAGE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC AND THESE SETBACKS, PLEASE.
OKAY, JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION.
SO WE'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT TO REZONE THAT, THAT THAT'S BEEN DONE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, WE CAN'T ADDRESS THAT TONIGHT.
SO THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP WITH ANOTHER BODY, BUT WE CAN'T ADDRESS THAT, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
THE QUESTION BEFORE THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING IS ON THE AMENDMENTS TO THE EXISTING ID TWO AND ID THREE CODES.
UM, ZACH, CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION IF, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO DO A DIFFERENT USE REGARDING THE QUESTION ABOUT MIXED USE AND HOW THAT APPLIES TO DESIGN, WOULD THAT BE A COME IN AS A PLANT PUD, WOULD THAT BE ZONING VARIANCE? HOW WOULD THAT BE HANDLED? SO ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT, UM, IS GOING TO BE A MIXED USE DESIGNATION HAS TO GO THROUGH A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PROCESS, UM, WITHIN THE DESIGN MANUAL, THE SETBACK AND SCREEN DESIGN MANUAL, THERE'S A STATEMENT ON ONE OF THE LATER PAGES THAT SAYS THAT MIXED USE AREAS OR DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT TO BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS, UM, DESIGN MANUAL.
SO THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, UM, THAT ARE GONNA LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE, THIS DESIGN MANUAL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE TRY TO ADDRESS THE MIXED USE AREAS.
AND THEN THOSE MIXED USE AREAS, UM, WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WOULD BE PRESENTED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE REZONING FOR THAT, ALL OF THAT BEING THE REZONING TO A PLANNED DISTRICT AND THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ESTABLISHING THE SETBACKS AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THAT PLANNED DISTRICT WOULD COME BEFORE THIS BODY AND BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OKAY.
NO, WITH NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, IT'S TIME FOR OUR DISCUSSION.
DO YOU WANT TO, I'M GOING TO ADDRESS OR ASK US TO ADDRESS THE THREE ITEMS THAT, BUT THE DISCUSSION MAY LEAD TO OTHER THINGS.
SO LET'S TALK FOR A MINUTE ABOUT THE SETBACKS BECAUSE VICKI, YOU ALREADY
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STATED A POSITION ON THERE.SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS ON THAT, ON THAT SETBACK THAT THEY WOULD ASK LIKE US TO RECOMMEND, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON IF IF, UNLESS THERE'S A DIFFERENT FEELING ON THOSE.
SO THAT'S FOR THE B, THAT'S THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK.
AND THEN THERE ARE TWO ALTERNATIVES TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
AND I'M VICKY, FROM YOUR COMMENT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WAS PROPOSED BEFORE.
I, I SAID THAT LAST TIME I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK AND THE EIGHT FOOT MOUND.
I THINK IT WOULD PROVIDE THE BEST SCREENING.
UM, SO I THINK THE CONCERN WAS RAISED WELL, WHAT IF THEY NEEDED TO PUT PARKING ALONG THAT AREA, WHICH MAYBE GAVE THE OTHER TWO ALTERNATES.
H HOW DO, HOW DO YOU TWO FEEL ABOUT, UM, I PREFERRED THE CURRENT SETBACK THE HUNDRED FEET WITH THE EIGHT FOOT MOUNTING.
UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS JAMIE WHO HAD THE AL ALTERNATIVE OPINION, BUT I WOULD AGREE ALSO, I APPRECIATE MR. C***K BRINGING THAT FORWARD BECAUSE OF, UM, THE THOUGHTS ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE COMING IN AND SAYING, UH, I CAN'T EVEN GET STARTED BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HERE.
UH, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US ALL TO TALK ABOUT.
UM, BUT I DO FEEL THAT THEY'RE ALL GONNA STAY AT THE SIX FOOT.
I MEAN YOU CAN PUT 10 OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY'RE GONNA FIND THEMSELVES AT THE SIX FOOT THAT SEEMS LIKE, SO I WOULD DEFINITELY NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT VERSION ONE PROVIDES THE MAXIMUM PROTECTION, NO PARKING IN THE SETBACK.
UM, PARKING AND BUILDING ARE BACK A HUNDRED FEET AND IT GIVES THE TALLEST MOUNDS.
SO THAT'S THE POSITION OF THE BOARD ON THAT ISSUE.
UM, EVERYONE OKAY WITH THE USE CHANGE? I WAS, YES.
THOSE THINGS THAT WERE ELIMINATED LAST TIME WERE ALSO, YOU SAW THOSE AGAIN TONIGHT.
THE ONLY CHANGE WAS THE TRANSIT.
I, I WAS MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE EXPLANATION THAN ACTUALLY SEEING THOSE LEAVE.
BUT IF THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE AVAILABLE IN WID NOT ONE THING I WOULD WANT TO CLARIFY, NOT TO GO BACK, BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BRING IN ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS IN ID TWO, IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE THEY COULD LOOK FOR A VARIANCE OR FROM A, YOU'RE ASKING IF THEY WERE TO BRING ONE OF THE REMOVED USES TO ID TWO OR THREE? UM, THE ONLY WAY THEY'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT IS GOING THROUGH A, A PLANNED DISTRICT.
UM, WHICH AGAIN WOULD NOT ALIGN WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR INNOVATION OR, UH, INDUSTRIAL.
I MEAN I STILL THINK THAT SOME OF THOSE USES WOULD BE OPTIONS TO LESSEN IMPACT AS YOU BUFFER UP AGAINST, UH, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE, THE USES THAT ARE PROBABLY MOST, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE MOST AMENABLE TO.
SO IT DIDN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO ME WHY WE'D LIMIT 'EM.
I MEAN, EVEN FROM THE ALTERNATIVE, HOW DOES IT HELP AN ECONOMIC GROWTH STANDPOINT? I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE HOW IT HELPS EITHER SIDE OF THE BALANCE, BUT, SO HOW WOULD YOU PROPOSE MAKING SPECIFIC CHANGES? ARE THERE SPECIFIC USES THERE THAT YOU WOULD SAY, WELL, MAYBE THESE SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL.
IF YOU WOULD BRING UP THAT, THAT PAGE AGAIN, I'D BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THE RED ITEMS. SO HOSPITAL, I GUESS, UM, NOW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, I THOUGHT WE HAD HAD, UH, THERE WE GO.
YEAH, SO INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, RECREATION, EXERCISE, AND FITNESS ARE PROBABLY THE TWO THAT I WOULD SAY SHOULD BE OPTIONS FOR CONDITIONAL USES, POTENTIALLY, POTENTIALLY CONFERENCE CENTERS TOO.
I MEAN, I DON'T NECESSARILY ENVISION THE PROPOSAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S OUR JOB TO PICKER ENVISION THE PROPOSALS.
I WOULD ALSO AGREE THAT THE INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, RECREATION, UM, EXERCISE, FITNESS, IT'S ABOUT BUILDING CHARACTER AND ESTABLISHING THAT.
AND WE'RE DOING THAT ALONG THE WAY.
THIS IS ALSO THE AMENITIES THAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO WALK TO AND BE A PART OF AND FEEL CONNECTED.
AND I THINK PART OF THE LOGIC HERE IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THAT IN THE DARI FIELDS, WHICH IS VERY, VERY CLOSE AND IT'S REALLY A DEDICATED ATHLETIC EXERCISE CENTER AND THEN THE CONFERENCE CENTER MAYBE CLOSE BY.
UM, SO, BUT YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T FIT THE MODEL THAT THE STAFF SEES THIS AREA.
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ABOUT THAT, VICKI? WELL, I, I ASSUME THAT STAFF WAS PROPOSING THE, UH, ELIMINATION OF THOSE BASED UPON WHAT THEY WOULD PERCEIVE, UM, THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM JUST AS HAVING, UM, AN INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AND RECREATION IS, IS A, A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING AND GOING FROM THOSE.SO I WAS OKAY WITH THOSE ELIMINATIONS.
UM, BUT MAYBE STAFF WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME INPUT ON THEIR RATIONAL ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
YEAH, SO THE, THE PRIMARY, THE PRIMARY REASON WAS LOOKING AT THE INTENTS OF THESE DISTRICTS.
UM, MS. NEWELL, YOU ARE CORRECT THAT THOSE TYPES OF USES DO GENERATE QUITE A BIT OF PRIVATE VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
UM, SO THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED.
BUT I THINK THE PRIMARY REASON WE DID IT WAS JUST LOOKING AT WHAT'S EXPECTED OF THESE DISTRICTS AS PRINCIPAL USES.
AND THEN KNOWING THAT WE'VE GOT OTHER AREAS OF THIS LARGE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT THAT ARE INTENDED TO BE, UM, ACTIVITY NOTES FOR COMMERCIAL OR MAYBE SOME, ALSO THERE'S SOME FOR RESIDENTIAL AND UM, AND HOSPITALITY.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE, THE REASONING BEHIND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK IF YOU WERE GONNA PUT ANY OF THOSE ITEMS AS SOMETHING CONDITIONAL, IT WOULD BE THE WAREHOUSING, WHOLESALING AND DISTRIBUTION TO RESPOND TO UM, RESIDENTS COMMENTS.
SO YOU WOULD TAKE THOSE OUT, YOU, WOULD YOU OR MAKE THOSE CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOR WAREHOUSING? YES.
AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ADDING AND THAT'S OKAY.
SO
TWO PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONS.
UM, ONE MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING QUALIFIED OR REDUCED.
SO, UH, THAT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GETTING READY TO MAKE A SUGGESTION.
I WAS JUST GOING TO TO SAY, AND SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO NECESSARILY INTERRUPT YOUR THOUGHT, BUT, UM, IT, A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL WOULD REQUIRE A VOTE OF THREE OUT OF THE FOUR MEMBERS PRESENT.
SO A TWO TO TWO VOTE ON ANY QUESTION WOULD RESULT IN A TIE AND THE MOTION WOULD FAIL FOR LACK OF A MAJORITY.
UM, COULD IT BE QUALIFIED WITH FURTHER STUDY OF THE USES OF THE PERMITTED USES, MEANING THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL YES.
QUALIFIED THE RECOMMENDATION AND WITH THE SUGGESTION THAT THERE BE FURTHER STUDY OF THE USES AND, AND THE MINUTES WOULD IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS, THE WAREHOUSING AS A, AS A CONDITIONAL USE AND THE OTHER USES SUGGEST SUGGESTED TO BE ADDED? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION AVAILABLE TO THE COMMISSION.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? UH, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.
I GUESS THEN FOR THE MINUTES I WILL ADD THAT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF VICKI'S IDEA AS WELL TO MAKE THOSE CONDITIONAL USE FOR WAREHOUSING, WHOLESALING AND DISTRIBUTION.
WELL, THERE'S A MAJORITY ON THAT ONE.
SO WE'VE COVERED THE MOUNDING QUESTION.
HOW ABOUT THE BIOSAFETY, THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARD FOR BIOSAFETY? HOW, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? I APPRECIATED THAT AMENDMENT BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES I BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY WITHIN THE TEXT.
AND UM, THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS FOR BOTH OF THOSE LEVELS AND I GUARANTEE YOU, YOU DON'T WANT
SO I APPRECIATED THAT AMENDMENT.
I'M QUICK, I'M SUPPORTIVE AS WELL ALSO.
SO WE'RE GENERALLY IN AGREEMENT EXCEPT FOR THE, UH, THE USES.
SO, SO WE DO, WE MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT,
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I GUESS WE NEED TO AMEND THIS.SO MAY I ASK IF THIS IS NON-BINDING, CAN IT JUST BE A LIST OF THINGS THAT THEN GO ON TO, I THINK THAT WAS A TYPO.
SO, OH, DO YOU WANNA CLARIFY, THAD WAS, IS THIS NON-BINDING FEEDBACK? I KNOW IT SAID IN THE BEGINNING, BUT THEN WE HAD CLARIFICATION FROM ZACH.
WELL IT'S, IT IS NOT BINDING, BUT IT IS A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION, FROM THE BOARD.
SO IF THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE TEXT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE AMENDED TO PROVIDE FOR CONDITIONAL USE FOR WAREHOUSING, I WOULD SAY NO.
THAT PROBABLY YOUR BETTER OPTION TO DO THAT THIS EVENING WOULD BE TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION CONDITIONAL ON THE STAFF MAKING THE CHANGE YOU WANT PRIOR TO PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL.
SO THAT, THAT CHANGE WE WANT IS THE WAREHOUSING TO BE, UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE.
AND, AND WITHIN THAT, UH, DISTRICT.
NOW THERE, THERE ARE THREE THAT SUPPORTS THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHER ISSUE WAS THE INCLUSION OF OTHER USES.
SO THE INCLUSION WAS ENTERTAINMENT, I GUESS I I HADN'T CONSIDERED THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AS A REASON NOT TO, IT JUST, IT'S, I DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT HOLDS IT UP.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD NEED TO BE, WHY IT WOULD NEED TO BE PROHIBITED, RIGHT? MM-HMM
MM-HMM
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T DEFINE THAT.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I THINK OF A CONSIDERATION.
WELL IF IT'S A USE THAT THE MINIMUM SITE IS A THREE ACRE SITE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IT'S BEGINNING TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, PRETTY BIG FACILITY.
UM, I, I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S NOT INCLUDED, WHY IT'S TAKEN OUT WITH THE, WITH THE GOAL OF LOOKING AT USES OF THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED NEARBY.
TO ME IT DOESN'T SEEM TO, TO, UH, COINCIDE WITH THE OTHER USES.
DO YOU CONSIDER IT A, CONSIDER IT ANY SORT OF A HYBRID TRANSITION TO SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT ARE WELL THE, THE VERY DIFFERENT USES, THE DARY FIELDS IS LIKE, I MEAN TO THE RESIDENTIAL OBVIOUSLY VERY DIFF DIFFERENT.
WELL, WE'RE DOING, I MEAN THE, THE PLANNING IS DOING EVERYTHING TO BUFFER.
UM, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE COS GRAPE, I AGREE WITH THE BUFFERING I GUESS.
SO THEN WHEN SOMEONE DOESN'T FIT INTO THAT INTENT THAT WOULD ALREADY BE REVIEWED BY ART, THEY WOULD ALREADY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THIS DOESN'T FIT INTO OUR INTENT.
JUST AS THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY'VE SEEN FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, I THINK IT, IT'S REASONABLE FOR THEM TO PUT THAT IN THEIR PURVIEW AS WELL.
I'D HATE SOMEBODY TO GO TO ALL THAT TROUBLE AND, YOU KNOW, COMES BACK AND SAYS THEY GO TO ALL THAT TROUBLE, MAKE APPLICATIONS, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, STAFF SAYS NO, ART SAYS NO, THIS STUFF.
AND THEN THEY'VE, THEY'VE WASTED THAT THAT TIME.
SO WHAT ABOUT EXERCISE? THE ATHLETIC FIELDS ARE CLOSE BY.
I MEAN IT, AND I MEAN ORIGINALLY I, I, I QUESTIONED SOME OF THE REMOVALS, BUT AS I HEAR THE LOGIC ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE AREA AND WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO BE, I DON'T SEE AS MUCH AS I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT
SO THAT BOX WHERE WE LIVE IN MR. HAMMER, NOTHING YOU'RE SAYING IS BEING RECORDED BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT MICD.
SO I WOULD ASK YOU IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS THIS, BUT TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME VERY, VERY SPECIFIC POINTS.
SO I, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T APPLY ID SIX STANDARDS TO THIS GETTING CLOSER TO THAT'S WHAT OKAY.
SO ANY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BECAUSE I, 'CAUSE I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT COMMENT BECAUSE
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IF WE MODIFIED THINGS CLOSER TO ID SIX, WE HAVE ENORMOUS SETBACKS.UM, IT DOES MORE TO DIVIDE THAN THE LINK.
SO IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE GERMANE TO THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT.
UH, SO THE MAJORITY CAN AGREE ON WAREHOUSE BEING A CONDITIONAL USE IN THAT ONE, UH, UH, IN THAT ONE PARTICULAR DISTRICT.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION, AND THIS IS I THINK WILL HELP US IN HOW WE, WE SHARE THIS WITH COUNCIL AS WELL.
IS THE CONCERN WITH THEM BEING PRINCIPAL, IS IT THE LARGE SCALE WAREHOUSING, WHOLESALE DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES OR IS IT ALSO THE SMALLER SCALE THAT MAY BE IN MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS? THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION FOR US AS WELL.
SO IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE HAVE THREE, THREE OF US WHO WANT TO ADD THOSE USES.
IS THAT ACCURATE? I KNOW, I, I DON'T, UM, SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY, DON'T HAVE THREE OF US THAT WANT TO ADD THOSE USES.
JUST KATHY AND I, IS THAT CORRECT THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE, UM, THE ENTERTAINMENT CENTER, SORRY WE DON'T HAVE 'EM UP, BUT A CONFERENCE, ENTERTAINMENT CENTER AND UH, EXERCISE.
EXERCISE AS A CONDITIONAL USE.
IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME IF IT GOES TO A CONDITIONAL USE IF IT MOVES THIS FORWARD AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS HAPPY WITH IT, BUT I UNDERSTOOD WHY STAFF WAS PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE THEM AND I, I, MY THOUGHT IS IT JUST ALLOWS A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY.
I I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, JUST A REMINDER THAT IF THEY'RE PERMITTED, THAT MEANS THEY'RE PERMITTED ON ANY PARCEL.
SO WE COULD WISH THAT THERE WOULD BE BUFFERS, BUT THEY COULD BE ANYWHERE WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
AND SO AGAIN, AS MR. ALEXANDER POINTED OUT, THE IDEA WAS THAT THERE IS BUFFER IN THE OTHER ZONES WITHIN THE WIDTH, IF YOU WILL, THAT ACCOMMODATES THOSE OTHER USES.
AND SO THE INTENT HERE WAS TO FOCUS ON THE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF USES.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE RISK, I GUESS, FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE, IF IT WOULD STILL KIND OF GO TO A BODY TO, TO REVIEW WHETHER IT WAS IN THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION? AND AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, RESOURCE FOR THE CITY.
SO CONDITIONAL USES ARE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE PARAMETERS THAT THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE, UM, REVIEWED AGAINST.
AND SO IF THE IDEA IS THAT, THAT YOU IS NOT WHAT THE INTENT OF THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN IS, IT WOULD BE HARD TO JUSTIFY WHY CONDITIONAL USE WOULD BE, UH, ACCEPTED THERE.
SO I GUESS THE THOUGHT IS THERE WOULD BE ZERO CASES WHERE THEY WOULD ACTUALLY GET AN APPROVAL THROUGH THAT CONDITIONAL USE AND I WOULD, I WOULD HONESTLY SAY THAT THERE MIGHT BE CASES WHERE IT, IT CAME IN AND IT, WELL SCRATCH THAT COMMENT.
I WAS GONNA SAY IF YOU PUT THEM AS CONDITIONAL USE, AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT HE WAS SAYING, WE WOULD, YOU WOULD GENERALLY LOOK AT THAT AS BEING APPROVED USE, BUT YOU'RE COMING IN AND MAYBE THERE ARE MINOR THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT ASK CONCESSIONS OF THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, THAT WAS BEING DONE SENSITIVELY, BUT YOU WOULDN'T END UP BEING BEING ABLE TO SAY, OH, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO THIS IN THIS DISTRICT.
IS THAT A BETTER WAY TO PHRASE IT? THAT THAT CAPTURES THE, UH, ESSENCE OF WHAT I FAILED TO ARTICULATE.
YOU MIGHT FIND YOUR, YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE, UM, ONE OF THESE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES COMES IN AND TAKES, YOU KNOW, GETS AN OPTION ON A WAREHOUSE OR NOT A WAREHOUSE, AN INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY THAT COULD BE A BIG REVENUE DRIVER FOR THE CITY AND YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF IN A POSITION WHERE YOU CAN'T SAY NO TO THAT USE BECAUSE IT HAS OTHERWISE MET THE CONDITIONAL USE PARAMETERS.
UM, RATHER THAN, AS THE CITY OFTEN DOES BITING ITS TIME TO GET THE USES AND DEVELOPMENTS THAT IT IS TARGETING THROUGH ITS COMMUNITY PLAN.
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THE ONE YOU'RE SUGGESTING BECAUSE IT'LL BECOME CLOSER TO MEET MEETING THE COMMUNITY PLAN, MEANING YOU DON'T HAVE SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONAL USES IN, IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT.YEAH, LIKE I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, I WAS OKAY WITH THE AMENDMENTS TO THE USES THAT WERE THERE.
IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT I WOULD'VE PUT A CONDITIONAL USE ON IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE MANUFACTURING WAREHOUSING, SORRY? WAREHOUSING.
YEAH, I MEAN IF THE POINT IS THAT NOTHING WOULD GET THROUGH ANYWAY, THEN I, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ADD IT IN AS A CONDITIONAL USE.
DO WE WANT TO, DO, WE WANNA AMEND IT SO WE ASK FOR WAREHOUSING TO BE, I WAS OKAY WITH THE USES AS THEY WERE NOTED WITH THE ELIMINATIONS OF THE ONES THAT ARE NOTED.
SO YOU'RE FINE WITH THE TEXT AS IT IS? I AM, YES.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA AMEND IT THEN.
OKAY, WAIT FROM THE MICROPHONE.
SO THERE AREN'T, THERE ARE NOT THREE OF US WHO WANT AMEND THE MOTION THAT'S PROPOSED.
SO WE'RE GOING, SO VICKY, DID YOU NO LONGER WANT TO DO THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR WAREHOUSING? MY, MY POINT WAS WITH UM, I WAS, I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY THE MODIFICATIONS AND THE USES THAT WERE UNLIMITED WHEN YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO PUT CONDITIONAL USES ON 'EM, THE ONE USE THAT I WOULD ENTERTAIN PUTTING A CONDITIONAL USE ON WAS THE, UM, I'M LOSING MY PLACE HERE NOW.
YEAH, THE WAREHOUSING JUST BECAUSE OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
AND SO IF IT'S CLARIFIED AS LARGE SCALE, LARGE SCALE MM-HMM
DO YOU STILL SUPPORT THAT? MM-HMM
IT WAS LARGE SCALE USES, I WAS CONCERNED.
SO MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT.
SO WE WANNA RECOMMEND, I'M JUST GOING TO READ THIS AND SEE HOW YOU FEEL.
WE WANNA RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE ID TWO AND ID THREE CODE AMENDMENTS WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT WE WANT THE WAREHOUSE USE TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE.
AND THEN THE REST OF IT IN THE WID SET BACK A SCREEN DESIGN MANUAL WITH THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND SO WE WOULD, WE WE'RE NOT ENTERTAINING YOU TO THE ALTERNATES.
IF THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THEN JUST FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, CAN I READ IT BACK AND YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'VE, IF I'VE GOT IT AND IF YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED.
SO IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE ID TWO AND ID THREE CODE AMENDMENTS WITH THE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT OF MAKING THE WAREHOUSING DISTRIBUTION, A CONDITIONAL USE AND THE WI SETBACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL WITH THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION FOR THE TYPE B CLASSIFICATION.
CAN YOU ADD LARGE SCALE BEFORE THE WAREHOUSER? YES.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAD THE MOST CONSENSUS FOR.
IS EVERYONE ALL RIGHT WITH THAT? OKAY.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
UM, IS KIM HERE? IS, IS HE IN THE BACK OR DID HE GO? I DON'T THINK HE'S HERE ANYMORE.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS FOR US? WE DO NOT THIS EVENING.