* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD EVENING [CALL TO ORDER] AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 5 5 5 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. UM, WOULD YOU ALL STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? JAMIE, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? HERE. MR. CHINNOCK? HERE. MS. DAMER? HERE. MR. GARVIN? HERE. MS. HARDER? HERE. HERE. AND MS. NEWELL? NOT HERE YET. MR. WAY IS NOT HERE ALSO. THANK YOU. [ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES] IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS IN THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE FOLLOW MINUTES FROM THE FOLLOWING MEETING? THE AUGUST 20TH REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING, THE SEPTEMBER 1ST JOINT WORK SESSION AND THE SEPTEMBER 17TH REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING. SO MOVED. SECOND. WAS THAT YOU? THANK YOU. OKAY. MS. HARDER? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. CHINOOK? YES. MS. DAMER? YES. MR. GAR? YES. ALRIGHT. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATTING OF PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION. IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY. TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION. THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE, ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. PLEASE ENSURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. UH, TO ALLOW ALL FOR FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS AND REFRAIN FROM REPEATING INFORMATION. UM, THE COMMISSION HAS RECEIVED ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS. FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SIDE CONVERSATIONS, APPLAUSE, OR OTHER AUDIBLE REACTION TO PUBLIC COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS OF THE COMMISSIONERS STAFF OR APPLICANTS. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID ON THE RECORD AND THAT ALL HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. THIS PROTECTS THE PROCESS, WHICH IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CONCERNED. UM, OKAY. WE'RE GONNA SWEAR IN WITNESSES. SO ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN. PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY OF THIS COUNSEL? YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, THE SECOND CASE ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA, AURORA DUBLIN, WILL NOT BE HEARD TONIGHT. UM, THE APPLICANTS HAVE REQUESTED THAT THAT CASE BE POSTPONED. SO IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE TO, UM, WITNESS THAT OR TO SPEAK REGARDING THAT MATTER, YOU'RE FREE TO LEAVE NOW. WE WON'T BE DISCUSSING THAT THIS EVENING. SO THE [Case #26-066] CASE WE WILL BE DISCUSSING IS CASE NUMBER TWO SIX DASH 0 6 6 A DMC ID TWO AND ID THREE. TEXT MODIFICATIONS AND WI SETBACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR NON-BINDING FEEDBACK OF TEXT MODIFICATIONS TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN ZONING CODE SECTIONS 1 5 3 0.047 TO 1 5 3 0.042 FOR THE ID TWO RESEARCH FLEX AND ID THREE RESEARCH ASSEMBLY DISTRICT AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK ON THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT SETBACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL. ZACH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE READY TO START YOUR PRESENTATION. YES. THANK YOU. UH, AND GOOD EVENING. UH, AS STATED TONIGHT, WE ARE, UH, KICKING OFF THE FIRST MEETING THAT WE HAVE FOR, UH, THE NEXT PHASE OF, OF THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT. AND THAT'S LOOKING AT THE ID TWO AND ID THREE ZONING CODE THAT ARE EXISTING AND LOOKING AT POTENTIAL, UH, CODE AMENDMENTS FOR THOSE SECTIONS. AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT THE SETBACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL, UH, IN ITS ENTIRETY TONIGHT. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK. UH, I SAY THIS IS THE FIRST THAT THIS IS BEFORE THE COMMISSION. THE, UH, [00:05:01] NEXT STEP FOR THIS WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET. UH, TONIGHT WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THAT FEEDBACK AND DISCUSSION ON WHAT IS PROVIDED TO YOU IN YOUR PACKETS. AND, UM, AND WE CAN TAKE THAT FEEDBACK AND MOVE FORWARD, UH, TO HOPEFULLY A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL IN THE NEAR FUTURE. SO, I, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT SEVERAL TIMES WITH THIS BOARD. UM, BUT JUST AS A REMINDER FOR, FOR WHAT THIS DISTRICT IS, UM, THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT IS OUTLINED AS A SPECIAL AREA WITHIN THE CITY, ONE OF SIX DISTRICTS. UM, AND THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT AND THE SCREEN, BUT THE GOAL OF THIS DISTRICT, PER THE COMMUNITY PLAN, SPECIAL AREA PLAN, IS TO ESTABLISH A WORLD CLASS INNOVATION AND RESEARCH DISTRICT TO SERVE AS AN ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR DUBLIN. AND WITHIN THAT SPECIAL AREA PLAN, IT CALLS FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THROUGH THAT ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN. UM, YOU HAVE ANYWHERE FROM MIXED USE CENTER, WHICH IS UP CLOSER TO OU. UH, YOU ALSO HAVE MIXED RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS CLOSER TO THE IRONMAN, UH, AND SHIRE RINGS AREA. AND THEN THE FURTHER WEST YOU GO OUT ON THIS, ON THIS, UH, PLAN IS MORE FLEX INNOVATION AND INDUSTRIAL USES. UM, SO THIS PLAN REPRESENTS WHAT THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN CALLS FOR AND WHAT THE GOALS ARE OF THIS DISTRICT. THE ZONING CODE ALSO EXISTS TODAY FOR THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, AND THE PURPOSE ONE, WITHIN THE PURPOSE STATEMENT, IT TALKS ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THE CI CITY'S VISION AND GOALS AND CREATING AN INNOVATION AND RESEARCH DISTRICT. SO BOTH OF THESE ALSO SUPPORT THE CITY COUNCIL'S CURRENT GOAL OR ONE OF THEIR CURRENT GOALS IN ADVANCING THE GOALS OF, OF THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT. SO, UH, AS I STATED, OUR APPROACH TONIGHT IS LOOKING AT THE ID TWO AND ID THREE ZONING DISTRICTS. UM, SO THE MAP THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN REPRESENTS PROPERTY THAT IS EITHER CURRENTLY ZONED ID TWO AND ID THREE. ID TWO PROPERTY IS GONNA BE THE LIGHTER, SOLID COLOR, AND THEN THE DARKER SOLID COLOR IS ID THREE. AND THEN THE HATCHED AREAS, WHICH THOSE COLORS CORRESPOND WITH THE SOLIDS, UH, THOSE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE EITHER IN DUBLIN AND NOT ZONED TO THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT YET, OR THEY ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT IN, IN DUBLIN, SO THEY WOULD NEED ANNEXED. UM, IN GENERAL, THIS MAKES UP ABOUT 78% OF THE LAND IN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, WE WANT TO BE REALLY MINDFUL THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS ALREADY DEVELOPED UNDER ID TWO AND THREE, UH, AND THAT'S THEIR CURRENT EXPECTATIONS AS WELL AND WHAT THEY'RE HELD TO. UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE PROPERTIES THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY WOULD BE ZONED TO IN THE FUTURE. SO ANY CHANGES THAT WE MAKE OVER TIME, UH, ARE, ARE GONNA BE IMPACTFUL, NOT JUST TO A SMALL SECTION OF OF PROPERTY, BUT TO THE ENTIRE, ALMOST THE ENTIRETY OF THE 2200 ACRES. SO, UH, A BIT OF BACKGROUND HERE AND JULY 1ST, CITY COUNCIL, REVIEWED AND APPROVED ORDINANCE 0 6 25, WHICH WAS FOR THE REZONING OF 370 ACRES OF LAND, UH, TO ID TWO, ID THREE, AND ID SIX. AND THIS WAS IN THE SOUTHWEST CO, UH, PORTION OF THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT. AND DURING THAT MEETING, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF, UH, TO REVIEW AND OUTLINE A STRATEGY FOR FUTURE REFINEMENTS WITHIN THE ID TWO AND THREE DISTRICTS USING INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE ID SIX PROCESS. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR PROPERTIES CURRENTLY. ZONE ID TWO AND ID THREE. WHAT WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING OR LOOKING AT WITH THIS IS ANY REZONING OF PROPERTY OR WHETHER PROPERTY SHOULD BE ZONED DIFFERENTLY. SO ON AUGUST 10TH, WE WENT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AT THEIR REQUEST, UH, AND OUTLINED A TWO-PRONGED APPROACH WITH THIS. UM, TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FIRST, WHICH IS THE NEAR TERM REFINEMENTS, AND THERE'S LONGER TERM REFINEMENTS, UH, FOR THE NEAR TERM. WHAT WE'RE GONNA OUTLINE TONIGHT ARE USE PERMISSIONS AND WHAT IS, UH, WHAT USES ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THESE DISTRICTS, AND WHETHER WE SHOULD BE REMOVING OR MODIFYING USES THAT DO NOT ALIGN WITH THE ESTABLISHED DISTRICT INTENTS OR INTENDED DEVELOPMENT CHARACTERS WITHIN EITHER OF THESE DISTRICTS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED. UH, USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS. SO SEEING IF THERE ARE TARGETED STANDARDS FOR USES THAT ALIGN WITH THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT, BUT MAYBE REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE SCRUTINY, UH, WHEN ADJACENT TO SENSITIVE LAND USES. AND THEN THE THIRD COMPONENT IS SETBACK AND SCREENING. SO THAT'S REVIEWING THE, UH, WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT SETBACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL, WHICH IS APPLICABLE TO ALL PUBLIC STREETS WITHIN THE DISTRICT THAT ARE EXISTING TODAY OR PLANNED AS PART OF OUR THOROUGHFARE NETWORK IN THE FUTURE. THE LONGER TERM REFINEMENTS ARE NOT GONNA BE CONSIDERED TONIGHT. THAT INCLUDES THE STRUCTURE OF THE DISTRICT, GENERALLY, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THE REVIEW PROCESS, UH, AS WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE BROADER ZONING CODE AND SUBDIVISION REGULATION UPDATES, WHICH ARE PART, IT'S KIND OF SECOND PHASE OF THE CODE AUDIT THAT WE RECENTLY DID. UH, SO THAT'S GONNA BE A SMALL PIECE OF THAT BIGGER APPROACH. UM, SO COUNCIL DID ASK US AND, AND WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING WITH, UM, WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP ON SEPTEMBER 16TH TO SHARE THESE UPDATES THAT ARE [00:10:01] BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. UM, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED, THE GENERAL FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED IS LISTED ON THE SCREEN. UM, AND THE CONCERNS THAT ARE POINTED OUT, UH, ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE HEARD BEFORE. AGAIN, IT'S THE UNCERTAINTY AND THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A PROJECT YET, UH, THAT COULD OCCUR ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIAL TRAFFIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. UM, QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WOULD BE EVALUATED. CONCERN ABOUT THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 68 FEET, UH, REQUEST FOR INCREASED SETBACKS AND MOUNTINGS FROM THESE PUBLIC STREETS. AND THEN A RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER ID SIX ELSEWHERE. UH, INSTEAD OF ID TWO AND ID THREE, WE ALSO, UH, MET WITH SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED TO THESE DISTRICTS OR DESIGNATED FOR THIS IN THE FUTURE. UM, THE COMMENTS THAT, THAT THEY PROVIDED US WERE CONCERNS ABOUT FURTHER REDUCING THE DEVELOPABILITY OF THEIR PROPERTIES, UH, AND THAT INCLUDED REMOVING EXISTING PERMITTED USES, INCREASING SETBACKS AND BUFFERING FROM EXISTING ZONING, AND THEN CONCERNS ABOUT REDUCING, UH, BUILDING HEIGHTS CLOSER TO OU. SO I, I PUT THIS ON THE SCREEN, NOT BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING ANYTHING WITH THIS OR PROPOSING TO CHANGE ANYTHING WITH THIS. UM, BUT THESE ARE EXISTING INTENT STATEMENTS THAT, UH, REFLECT ID TWO AND ID THREE. SO ID TWO IS CALLED THE RESEARCH FLEX DISTRICT. IT IS INTENDED FOR SMALL TO MEDIUM SIZED RESEARCH AND OFFICE BUILDINGS WITH SMALLER FOOTPRINTS AND LOWER BUILDING HEIGHTS. UM, GENERALLY THIS IS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SMALLER SITES, SMALLER PROPERTIES WITH THIS, WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, UM, HOUSING A VARIETY OF COMPANIES ID THREE IS RESEARCH ASSEMBLY, AND THIS IS INTENDED FOR OUR LARGER TRACKS OF LAND, UH, WITH LARGER FORMAT BUILDINGS AND SITES. IT'S ALSO INTENDED FOR MORE CLEAN MANUFACTURING AND ASSEMBLY AT A HIGHER INTENSITY OR SCALE. AND THESE USES ARE NOT EXPECTED TO HAVE GREAT OR CREATE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS, AND THEY DO HAVE A GREATER FOCUS ON MORE INDUSTRIAL LAND USES, SUCH AS MANUFACTURING AND ASSEMBLY. SO THOSE EXIST TODAY. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THOSE, BUT I JUST WANNA PROVIDE THAT AS KIND OF THE BACKGROUND OF, OF WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, THESE POT POTENTIAL CHANGES. SO WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN ARE ALL THE PERMITTED USES TODAY IN ID TWO, UH, WHAT'S PROPOSED IN RED ARE THE USES THAT, UM, ARE INTENDED TO BE AT LEAST PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED ENTIRELY FROM THESE DISTRICTS. UM, AGAIN, THE, GIVEN THE GOAL OF THE DISTRICT IS TO BE THAT MORE INNOVATION, UH, CENTRIC DISTRICT AND, AND MORE EMPLOYMENT FOCUSED. UM, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT MAINTAINING THE USES THAT ARE CORE TO THE DISTRICT, WHICH ARE THOSE MANUFACTURING ASSEMBLY, R AND D, UH, AND TAKING OUT SOME OF THOSE USES THAT MAYBE DON'T CONTRIBUTE, UH, TO WHAT THE VISION CURRENTLY CALLS FOR. AND THEN ID THREE, THE USES ARE, ARE PRETTY SIMILAR ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THESE TWO. UH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT LESS USES IN ID THREE THAN TWO. UM, BUT AGAIN, THE SAME TRAIN OF THOUGHT WAS APPLIED HERE. UH, THE FINAL SLIDE I HAVE FOR THE CODE AMENDMENTS USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS. SO FOR ALL MANUFACTURING, ASSEMBLY AND R AND D USES, UH, STAFF IS PROPOSING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. THIS LANGUAGE IS THE SAME AS WHAT WAS APPLIED FOR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN ID SIX. AND GENERALLY, I GUESS, SUMMARIZE WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT IS NOT GONNA HAVE ANY, UM, ANY IMPACTS BEYOND THIS PROPERTY LINE. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY REGULATED THROUGHOUT THE CODE, BUT YOU HAVE TO FIND IT AND PIECE THINGS TOGETHER. BUT THIS MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE CENTRALIZED AND EASIER TO APPLY. UM, WE DID ADDRESS ONE BUILDING STANDARD OR DEVELOPMENT STANDARD. UM, ALTHOUGH THAT WASN'T THE GENERAL SCOPE OF THIS, BASED ON SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED AND, UM, WHEN TO APPLY, WE, WE PROPO, WE WERE PROPOSING TO REDUCE THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT FROM 68 TO 55 FEET AS WELL. UM, IN CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT 68 FEET NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS. THE 55 FEET STILL MEETS THE INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN, IN TERMS OF THE R AND D AND AND MANUFACTURING SPACE, AS THAT'S STILL ENOUGH, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND THEN THE ROOFTOP SCREENING AS WELL. SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER, UH, TO TYLER HERE, AND HE'S GONNA WALK THROUGH THE, UH, SETBACK AND SCREENING STUDY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. HI. HELLO ALL. UM, NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. UH, MY NAME IS TYLER CLARK AND I HAVE KIM WARE, UM, COLLEAGUE WITH ME THIS EVENING. UM, WE'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF MKSK, UM, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE AND, AND PLANNING FIRM, UM, LOOKING AT THE SETBACK AND SCREENING MANUAL FOR THE, UM, WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT. SO A LOT OF THE, YOU KNOW, SOME, A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE IN HERE, UM, SHOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE WORK WE PRESENTED TO YOU ALL, UM, ALONG COS GRAY ROAD, UM, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU ALL HEAR A LOT, DON'T EXPECT YOU TO REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS. SO I DO HAVE SOME REFRESHER SLIDES IN HERE, UM, THAT WE WILL, WE WILL GO OVER. UH, SO JUST, JUST TO START, UM, AND THIS IS IN THE DOCUMENT THAT I BELIEVE [00:15:01] YOU ALL HAVE, BUT, UM, JUST A REMINDER OF, OF SORT OF THE INTENT, UM, A POLICY STANDPOINT OF THE DOCUMENT. UM, THIS IS AN EXTENSION OF CHAPTER 1 53 0.040, UM, SITE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS AT CITY OF DUBLIN. UH, THIS, UM, SUPPLEMENTS THAT BASELINE ZONING REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE, UM, PROVIDING GUIDANCE FOR, FOR SETBACKS, LANDSCAPE DESIGN, IMPLEMENTATION, UM, AND STRATEGIES. AND, UM, ANY, ANY DIAGRAMS OR MAPS AND THINGS YOU SEE IN HERE THAT REFER TO SETBACKS. UM, THOSE ARE FROM FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY LINES. SO ALL OF THIS IS FROM FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY OF PUBLIC STREETS WITHIN, UM, THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT. UM, AND SO I TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, UM, LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, BUT JUST THE GENERAL OBJECTIVES OF THIS STUDY FROM A, UM, DESIGN, UM, AESTHETIC CHARACTER STANDPOINT, UM, THE MAIN INTENT, UM, OBVIOUSLY IS TO SCREEN, UH, THE VIEW OF FUTURE BUILDINGS, UM, AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, SERVICE AREAS, PARKING, UM, ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SETBACKS IN HERE FROM THAT RIGHT OF WAY, THAT DOES INCLUDE BUILDINGS AND PARKING, UM, ANY SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SERVICE DRIVES AND, AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA APPLY SUSTAINABILITY PRACTICES TO THE DISTRICT, UM, PROTECT ECONOMIC VIABILITY AND DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF THE PROPERTIES. UM, AS ZACH HAD MENTIONED BEING A, A CONCERN FROM PROPERTY OWNERS, AND I'LL TOUCH ON THAT AGAIN HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. UM, AND THEN ESTABLISH, YOU KNOW, CLARITY AND PREDICTABILITY OF WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR SCREENING THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT AS, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES, UM, COMES IN. AND THEN, UM, WE'LL TOUCH ON THIS AGAIN HERE SHORTLY TOO, BUT ESTABLISHING THIS GREENWAY, UH, EDGE NETWORK, UM, THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT. SO, FIRST, AND THIS IS, UM, A A COUPLE THINGS JUST TO, UH, REMIND YOU ALL, UM, AGAIN, OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST AND SORT OF THE OVERALL INTENT HERE. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE APPROACH. UM, SO THE, THE AIM, UM, AGAIN, AS WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A FEW TIMES, IS TO MAINTAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER, UM, OF THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT AS WAS RECOMMENDED IN THE ENVISION DUBLIN, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN. UM, SO THE APPROACH THAT WE'VE TAKEN THROUGH THIS MANUAL IS, UM, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN EDGE, UH, GREENWAY NETWORK, UM, TO BE IMPLEMENTED WITHIN THE REQUIRED DEVELOPMENT SETBACK. SO THE MAP, UM, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SLIDE THERE IS ILLUSTRATING, UM, JUST SOMEWHAT OF A HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS REFLECTIVE OF THE SETBACKS THAT ARE PROPOSED THAT WE WILL, WE WILL GO OVER HERE IN A MOMENT. UM, BUT JUST SHOWING THE EXTENSIVENESS OF THAT POTENTIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, NETWORK THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE DISTRICT. UM, THIS DOES, UH, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOME VARYING CONDITIONS, UH, BUT WITH THE CONSISTENT CHARACTER, UM, AND HIGH QUALITY, UH, CHARACTER THAT PEOPLE EXPECT IN DUBLIN. SO FROM A, UH, MORE SPECIFIC APPROACH STANDPOINT, UM, AS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH COSWAY ROAD AND ID SIX PREVIOUSLY, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, EARTH AND MOUNDS WITH, UH, DENSE LAYERED PLANTING. UM, ESSENTIALLY AT THE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF BASE LEVEL HERE THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT, WE KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT SETBACKS IN DIFFERENT, UM, ZONES, UH, DIFFERENT STREETS. SO WE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON SCREEN, HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES, UM, OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. UM, SO STARTING ON THE LEFT THERE WITH THE TYPE A THROUGH D CLASSIFICATION, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO, THAT'S SORT OF THE LARGER, UM, WHERE, WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE MORE SPACE, A SLIGHTLY LARGER SETBACK, WE CAN GET THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF DESIRED CHARACTER IN THERE, UM, WITH THE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, MOUND HEIGHTS THAT ARE LEGITIMATELY SCREENING, UM, THE USES BEHIND THEM, UM, THAT DENSE LAYERED PLANTING. AND THEN AS THOSE SETBACKS STEP DOWN IN CERTAIN AREAS OR WITHIN, YOU KNOW, LOCAL INTERIOR PUBLIC STREETS, UM, THAT MAY LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE GRAPHIC THERE. AND THEN ON THE FAR RIGHT, UH, WHICH WILL, UM, TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT IN THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME GATEWAY INTERSECTIONS IDENTIFIED WHERE THE QUALITY IS MAYBE ANOTHER STEP UP. UM, WE'RE INCORPORATING MAYBE SOME OTHER MATERIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE SOME OF THOSE, AGAIN, THOSE CORE, UM, GATEWAY MOMENTS THAT WE WILL WE'LL TOUCH ON. UM, AND THEN A REMINDER ABOUT WHAT THE COMPONENTS ARE, UM, OF THIS CONDITION. NOW, THE WHAT IS ON SCREEN, ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS AREN'T NECESSARILY WITHIN THE SETBACK. THE, UH, MOUND THAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE IS SORT OF THAT KEY PIECE, BUT KNOWING THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S DRAINAGE OFF OF THAT, THERE'S DRAINAGE OFF THE BUILDING, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THESE CONSIDERATIONS. BUT THE KEY PIECE THERE BEING, UM, THAT MOUND AND PLANTING ADDITION, UM, IN THE CENTER. AND THEN, UM, THERE MAY BE CERTAIN INSTANCES THAT ARE, ARE, ARE LISTED IN THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS WHERE, UM, THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR UTILITY EASEMENT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, UM, ON THE PUBLIC SIDE OF THE MOUND, UM, WHERE UTILITIES MAY BE BURIED AND WE WANT TO KEEP THAT EASEMENT OPEN FOR, FOR ACCESS AND MAINTENANCE PURPOSES. SO THOSE ARE THE, THE GENERAL COMPONENTS OF, OF WHAT THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, CONDITION WILL LOOK LIKE IN MOST CASES. UM, IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL, THE, YOU KNOW, DESIGN AND CHARACTER OF THESE EARTH AND MOUNDS, WE, UM, AS NOTED WITH COSWAY ROAD, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT OVERLAPPING MOUNDS AND, [00:20:01] UM, UNDULATING MOUNDS, SO IT'S NOT JUST ONE CONSISTENT BAR OR WALL OF MOUNDS. SO THIS IS, THE REQUIREMENTS IN HERE STATE THE APPROACH TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DESIGNING THESE IN A WAY THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE OVERLAPPING IN CERTAIN INSTANCES, ESPECIALLY AT PROPERTY LINES, UM, EVEN WITHIN THE PROPERTY. SO WE DON'T JUST HAVE, AGAIN, THOSE LONG STRETCHES OF THE, UM, WHAT WE REFER TO AS LIKE A TOOTHPASTE MOUND. YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM WHAT THAT SORT OF LOOKS LIKE FROM, UM, LIKE A GROUND LEVEL VIEW, UM, HOW THE, THEY WOULD UNDULATE AND HEIGHT, BUT STAY WITHIN THE REQUIRED RANGE. UM, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE, OBVIOUSLY PLANTING SAYS, ARE ILLUSTRATED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SLIDE, UM, THAT WOULD ACCOMPANY THAT. AND WE ARE REQUIRING JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL HERE ON THE PUBLIC SIDE. YOU'LL SEE SIX TO ONE SLOPE LISTED ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, GENERALLY THREE TO ONE SLOPE. THERE'S SPECIAL CONDITION IN CERTAIN CASES WHERE, UM, IF A DEVELOPER WANTS, UM, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY HAVE A RETAINING WALL ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, AS LONG AS YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE PUBLIC SIDE, UM, THAT WOULD, UM, ELIMINATE THAT THREE TO ONE. BUT GENERALLY ON THE PUBLIC SIDE, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE, WE WANNA KEEP IT THAT SIX TO ONE SLOPE. SO IT'S GRADUAL, IT'S NOT, AGAIN, THAT SORT OF WALK CONDITION. UM, AND THEN I THINK LASTLY HERE, JUST PLANTING SORT OF OVERLAID ON THAT, ON THOSE SAME COMPONENTS. UM, SO WE HAVE A LOT MORE DETAIL IN THE DOCUMENT INCLUDING, UM, SPECIES LISTS AND MAINTENANCE, UM, UH, GUIDELINES AND, AND SO FORTH. BUT, UM, AT THAT BASE LEVEL, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, NOMO, UM, PRAIRIE GRASS, UH, UH, AT THE BASE ALONG THE MOUND. AND THEN, UM, JUST A MIX OF DECI TREES AND EVERGREEN TREES SO THAT THERE IS ESSENTIALLY YEAR ROUND SCREENING. THOSE WOULD BE GROUPED BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS, SO MANY PER, UM, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED LINEAR FEET. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THERE'S A DIVERSITY IN IN TREE SPECIES AGAIN, UM, AS WELL MIXED IN THERE. SO ALL THOSE DETAILS ARE WITHIN THE MANUAL, UM, AND HOW THAT LAYS OUT. UM, SO THE IMPORTANT PART HERE, UM, WHEN WE GET INTO IMPLEMENTATION, SO THIS SHOULD BE THE NEWER, UM, CONTENT. UM, AGAIN, SIMILAR APPROACH TO PLANTING AND MOUNTING AS WE TALKED ABOUT FOR COSGRAVE. BUT HERE'S WHERE WE WILL GET INTO, UM, HOW THIS HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE WIDTH. SO WHAT'S ON SCREEN NOW ARE THE REQUIREMENTS TODAY. UM, SO THIS IS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 30 FOOT SETBACK, 35 FOOT SETBACK, UM, 30 ON LOCAL ROADS, 35 ON COLLECTOR, AND THEN 50 FOOT ON ARTERIAL STREETS. UM, SO I THINK THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE EXAMPLES I THINK WE SHARED LAST TIME OF WHAT THAT'S LOOKED LIKE IN PRACTICE, UM, FOR A COUPLE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, UM, IN THE DISTRICT AND WHY YOU WILL SEE WE HAVE A COUPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SETBACKS HAVE, HAVE, UM, EXTENDED BEYOND. UM, SOME OF WHAT EXISTS TODAY IS, UH, CAN SIMPLY COME DOWN TO, UM, SOMEWHAT OF A MATH, UH, EQUATION HERE. SO THIS IS ILLUSTRATING AT THE TOP, UM, HOW MUCH DEPTH WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR A THREE FOOT MOUND, UM, AT THE RATIOS WE'RE DISCUSSING, UM, AT THE SECOND ONE BEING HOW MUCH DEPTH IS REQUIRED FOR A SIX FOOT MOUND AND THEN, UM, EIGHT AND 10 FOOT AT THE BOTTOM. AND GENERALLY FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, LEGITIMATE SCREENING OF SOME OF THOSE HEAVIER USES, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT SIX TO 10 FEET IS, IS WHERE WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, PREFER TO SEE THAT. BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE SIX FEET ALONE, UM, REQUIRES ALMOST 60 FEET OF SPACE JUST FOR THE MOUND. AND THEN EIGHT TO 10, UM, IS, IS STARTING TO PUSH THAT, YOU KNOW, 100 FEET, UM, AGAIN, JUST FOR THE MOUND ITSELF. UM, AND SO BEFORE I GET INTO, UH, OR BEFORE I PULL UP THE MAP HERE, THE LAST THING I WANNA SAY ABOUT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE, UM, FOR ALL OF THIS IS, IS THAT EXERCISE OF TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOOD FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND, AND LANDOWNERS AS, AS ZACH MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, THAT WAS SHARED IN THAT FEEDBACK, UM, BUT ALSO MAINTAINING THAT CHARACTER OF THE WAY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND KEEPING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HIGH QUALITY OR HIGH LEVEL, UM, AESTHETIC AND CHARACTER THAT, THAT PEOPLE EXPECT OF DUBLIN. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT IT'S THE REASON THAT THAT THE PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES, THINGS COME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO AGAIN, TRYING TO FIND THAT RIGHT BALANCE, UM, DEVELOPABLE PERCENTAGE OF THE PROPERTY SCREENING AESTHETIC, ALL THOSE THINGS, UM, THAT IS, THAT IS THE CHALLENGE HERE. SO THIS, UM, SLIDE ILLUSTRATES THE SORT OF CORE PIECE, UM, OF THE DOCUMENT, UM, AND WHERE WE WOULD, UM, BE REQUIRING, UM, DIFFERENT SETBACKS BASED ON ROADWAY TYPOLOGY. SO TO GO BACK TO THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS, UM, YOU'LL SEE FOR TYPE A, THAT IS THE COS GRAY ROAD PIECE THAT WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY, UM, THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST. AND THAT'S THAT, UM, SORT OF VIOLET, UM, PURPLE LINE THERE ON COS GRAY. TYPE B WOULD BE THAT NEXT STEP DOWN, UM, WHERE WE'D BE LOOKING AT AN INCREASE TO A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK, UM, TO FIT IN THAT SORT OF TALLER MOUND. UM, AND I, I HAVE A, UM, COUPLE SLIDES AFTER THIS THAT SHOW THAT DETAIL BY TYPOLOGY, UM, THAT WE'LL GET INTO, UH, TYPE C, UM, IN THE 50 FOOT SETBACK, UM, THAT IS EVERYTHING IN BLUE THERE. AND THEN TYPE D IN AND LOCAL STREETS ARE BOTH AT 35 FOOT SETBACK. UM, THOSE ARE WHERE THERE'S, YOU [00:25:01] KNOW, MAYBE, UH, LESS SPACE, UM, FOR SETBACK, UH, LESS NEED FOR A LARGER SETBACK OR SCREENING, UM, TYPICALLY MORE INTERNAL TO A SITE, UM, OR WHERE THERE'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, THOSE INDUSTRIAL USES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT TOO, TOO, TOO WORRIED ABOUT SCREENING, UM, FROM EACH OTHER. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, THOSE SORT OF DASH RED CIRCLES ON THE MAP, UM, THOSE ARE THE IDENTIFIED, UM, GATEWAY MOMENTS THAT I, I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THIS PROCESS. SO JUST TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH THESE TYPES AGAIN, UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THEM ILLUSTRATED ON SCREEN AND, AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF DEPTH REQUIREMENTS, SPACING, HOW THE PLANTING IS LAYOUT. UM, THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS THE COSWAY ROAD PIECE, UM, FOR THE TYPE A CLASSIFICATION THAT I THINK YOU'VE ALL SEEN, UM, IN THE PAST. THIS IS WHERE WE'VE LOOKED AT A 14 FOOT, UM, MOUND, UM, WITH THAT 200 FOOT SETBACK ALONG, UM, 86. UM, AND THIS IS JUST AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I THINK WE ALL HAVE SEEN THIS IN THE PAST TOO, BUT THIS STILL, I THINK GIVES A VERY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THE, THE CHARACTER OR AESTHETIC, UM, THAT THESE ARE INTENDING TO, TO IMPLEMENT, UM, WOULD LOOK LIKE HERE. UM, NEXT, SO CLASS B, UH, OR, OR TYPE B CLASSIFICATION. UM, THIS IS THAT 100 FOOT SETBACK. UM, SO THE DOCUMENT CURRENTLY STATES THE MOUND HEIGHT REQUIREMENT, UM, FOR TYPE B ROADWAYS IS SIX TO 10 FEET. UM, AGAIN, WITH THAT 100 FOOT SETBACK, SO THE MOUND, UM, AT A AN EIGHT FOOT TALL MOUND, UM, BEING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THERE WOULD TAKE UP, YOU KNOW, 90 FEET OF THAT 100 FOOT SETBACK. UM, AND, AND THESE ILLUSTRATIONS ON THE RIGHT SHOULD GIVE YOU, UM, SOMEWHAT OF A SENSE OF, OF WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF, OF PHYSICAL SCREENING, UM, WITH BOTH PLANTING AND THE MOUND, THE MOUND HELPING SOME OF THOSE PLANTINGS GET UP A LITTLE HIGHER TO FULLY SCREEN. UM, ANY BUILDINGS, UM, THAT ARE BACK THERE. AND THIS DOES SHOW THE, UM, GENERALLY THE DARKER OUTLINE IS THE 45 FEET. I KNOW WE JUST TALKED ABOUT A REDUCTION OF THE 68, BUT THIS JUST SHOWS FOR AN EXAMPLE, UM, EVEN WHAT THE 68 LOOKS LIKE AND HOW MUCH OF THAT IS SCREENED IN THIS CONDITION. AND THEN TYPE C CLASSIFICATION, UH, THIS IS THE 50 FOOT, UM, SETBACK, UM, WITH A THREE TO SIX FOOT MOUND HEIGHT REQUIREMENT. UM, THIS INCLUDES THE 1 61 CORRIDOR AND THEN ALL OF THOSE OTHER STREETS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE THERE. UM, THIS IS, THESE ARE ALSO AREAS WHERE WE TEND TO HAVE A LOT OF THOSE, UM, GATEWAY INTERSECTIONS THAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER AS WELL, UM, WHICH I'LL, UH, UH, TALK ABOUT HERE IN A MOMENT. AND THEN, I GUESS ONE MORE THING ON THIS SLIDE THAT, THAT MIDDLE SECTION SORT, SORT OF SHOWS THAT CONDITION I MENTIONED EARLIER WHERE IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE DID WANT TO GO UP TO THAT, UM, SIX FOOT, UM, THE WAY TO ACHIEVE THAT WITHIN THAT SORT OF CONDENSED SETBACK WOULD BE THAT RETAINING WALL, UM, ON THE PRIVATE SIDE. UM, NEXT TYPE D CLASSIFICATION, UM, AGAIN, THESE ARE THOSE MORE INTERNAL ROADS OR AREAS WHERE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTIES MAYBE WOULDN'T ACCOMMODATE SUCH A LARGE SETBACK. UM, SO THESE ARE 35 FOOT SETBACK, UM, WITH A THREE FOOT, UH, MOUND. UM, SAME GENERAL SLOPE CONDITIONS, UM, REQUIRED FOR THOSE AND PLANTING. UM, AND THEN LASTLY, LOCAL STREET. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT LAST TIME, I THINK EARLY ON WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COS GRAY ROAD. UM, 'CAUSE THIS, UM, WAS A CONDITION THAT WAS, UM, ADOPTED IN THAT, UM, IN, IN ID SIX AS WELL FOR THE INTERIOR PORTIONS OF THE SITE, UM, WHERE THERE MAY BE, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC STREETS THAT END UP ON THE INTERIOR PORTION OF ID SIX. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE ACROSS THE, THE DISTRICT, UM, AND THE CURRENT MANUAL. AND THIS IS, UM, SHOWING THE 35 FOOT SETBACK ESSENTIALLY, UM, NO NECESSARILY MOUND REQUIREMENT, BUT STILL THAT DENSE PLANTING REQUIREMENT. SO WE'RE STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, BLOCKING AS MUCH OF THE VIEW AS AS AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, THE DOCUMENT HAS A WHOLE SERIES OF SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED HERE INITIALLY. UM, I, IT IS ONE OF THE LATER CHAPTERS IN THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY, UM, LOOKED THROUGH, BUT I'LL TOUCH ON THOSE JUST REAL QUICKLY. UM, THE FIRST ONE BEING THAT GATEWAY INTERSECTION CONDITION THAT I MENTIONED. UH, THIS IS, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF THE COS GRAY ROAD AND SHI RINGS ROAD, UM, ROUNDABOUT ON THE RIGHT THERE, THE LARGER IMAGE, UM, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT EXERCISE. UM, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE IDEA OF, UM, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER QUALITY MATERIALS, UM, TO, TO BE REQUIRED IN THOSE INSTANCES. SO MAYBE THERE'S A SORT OF DUBLIN STONE, UM, CHARACTER, UM, OR A COUPLE OTHER PLANT TYPES THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ALLOWED THERE. UM, BUT THE DOCUMENT STATES THAT THESE, UH, DESIGN OF THESE GATEWAYS IS TO BE COORDINATED WITH THE, WITH THE CITY, UM, IN THOSE INSTANCES. AND THEN THIS MAP IS HIGHLIGHTING ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THE OTHER SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE DOCUMENT CURRENTLY. UM, SO THIS IS GATEWAY INTERSECTIONS, UM, PROPERTY BOUNDARIES. SO IF TWO PROPERTIES DEVELOP AT DIFFERENT TIMES OR FROM DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS, HOW DO YOU HANDLE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT PROPERTY LINE IS? UM, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST, BUT WE, WE'VE TOUCHED ON THAT IN HERE AS WELL. UM, AND THEN TREE ROW PRESERVATION. UM, ANYTIME THERE'S A WATERWAY CROSSING, UM, FOR A, UH, THIS, THIS MOUNTING CONDITION, UM, SAME THING WITH RAIL LINE CROSSINGS. THE SIGNATURE TRAIL GOES THROUGH THE WIND. UM, SO THERE MAY BE INSTANCES WHERE THIS CONDITION WOULD, [00:30:01] UM, SORT OF HAVE TO CROSS A, A SIGNATURE TRAIL OR PROVIDE THAT GAP FOR THE TRAIL. UM, UTILITY EASEMENTS, WHICH I, WHICH I MENTIONED, UM, THERE'S AN OVERHEAD TRANSMISSION LINE, UM, IN THE INNOVATION DISTRICT. SO THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED IN HERE. UM, ENTRY DRIVES, UH, STILL ADDRESSED, UM, CONSISTENTLY WITH WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME. AND THEN ANY EXISTING FARMSTEADS. UM, AND THEN THOSE SPECIFIC ID SIX REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, WE BROUGHT THOSE FORWARD INTO THIS DOCUMENT AS WELL TO BE, UM, INCORPORATED FOR EASE OF USE. UM, SO A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF THOSE SPECIAL CONDITIONS. UH, THE, AGAIN, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT WHERE, UM, WHERE TWO PROPERTY LINES COME TOGETHER. UM, THE, THE GENERAL RULES THAT WE'VE SET UP FOR THAT ARE, ARE VERY SIMILAR AND APPLY ACROSS THINGS LIKE I MENTIONED, LIKE THE RAILWAY CROSSINGS OR ANY WATERWAYS AND, AND, AND SO FORTH. SO, AND THIS INSTANCE IS AN EXAMPLE, UM, YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP THERE, THIS IS A TWO PROPERTY LINES ARE COMING TOGETHER THAT HAS BEEN NOTED THAT THOSE SHOULD BE DESIGNED IN A WAY, UM, WHERE THEY JUST SORT OF NATURALLY EXTEND INTO EACH OTHER. SO MAYBE IN, IN THIS CASE, IN THIS EXAMPLE, HAS SHOWN, UM, THERE MAY BE AN INWARD TAPER ON ONE PROPERTY AND THE OUTWARD TAPER ON THE NEXT PROPERTY. SO THAT WOULD BE COORDINATED WITH THE CITY AT THAT TIME. UM, BUT THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IN HERE AS A REQUIREMENT. AND THEN SIMILARLY, UM, WHEN THERE'S, UM, ANOTHER, UM, UH, INTERSECTION OF, OF WATERWAYS OR RAIL LINES, OR IN THIS CASE EXISTING TREE ROWS AS WE'VE SHOWN, UM, THE MOUNDS ARE JUST TO TAPER DOWN AND THE PLANTINGS ARE SORT OF TO EXTEND INTO THOSE. SO IT ALL, UH, STILL APPEARS, UH, TO KEEP THAT NATURAL CONDITION WHILE ALSO NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING ANY VIEW WINDOWS INTO THE, THE PROPERTY. UM, AND THEN THE LAST POINT ON THE SLIDE IS ABOUT THAT OVERHEAD TRANSMISSION LINE, UM, THAT HAS BEEN NOTED AND IF THAT OCCURS ANYWHERE ELSE, UM, THAT IS NOTED IN HERE AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE COORDINATED WITH, UM, THE APPLICABLE, UH, UTILITY COMPANY AND THE CITY, UM, IN THOSE INSTANCES TO TRY TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, UM, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THOSE, IN THOSE CASES. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE END OF, UM, MY SECTION. AGAIN, VERY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW. I THINK YOU HAVE, UM, THE FULL MANUAL HOPEFULLY. UM, SO THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAIL IN THERE. UM, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER ZACH. I'LL CLOSE THIS OUT. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S PATIENCE WHILE WE GO THROUGH. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. UM, THE ANTICIPATED MEETING SCHEDULE, AGAIN, SAY THIS AT THE BEGINNING, THERE'S GONNA BE FOUR MEETINGS FOR THIS. UM, THE FIRST IS OBVIOUSLY TONIGHT. UH, SO THIS REQUIRES THEN A RECOMMENDATION FROM CITY COUNCIL. CURRENTLY WE'RE AIMING FOR OCTOBER 15TH PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN GOING TO COUNCIL FOR TWO HEARINGS, UH, BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT. WE'RE LOOKING FOR NON-BINDING FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENTS AND THEN THE DESIGN MANUAL, UH, FOR THE CODE AMENDMENTS, AGAIN, BASED ON THE SCOPE THAT WE'VE BEEN ASSIGNED BY COUNCIL, WHICH IS USE PERMISSIONS AND USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS. AND THEN THE, UH, SETBACK DESIGN MANUAL, UH, AND WHAT'S RECOMMENDED THERE BASED ON THE, THE DIFFERENT DEPTHS OF SETBACKS, UH, AND THEN THE TREATMENTS WITHIN THOSE. SO WITH THAT, I'LL STOP, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COMMISSION MEMBERS, IT'S OUR TURN TO ASK QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANTS WHO WOULD LIKE TO START. OKAY, GO. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UM, I'VE GOT A JUST A COUPLE MINOR NOTES. SO WHERE THE RETAINING WALLS ARE USED IN THE GRAPHICS, IT DIDN'T SHOW I'M ON THE PRIVATE SIDE WHERE RETAINING WALLS ARE USED IN THE MOUNDING. IT DIDN'T SHOW KIND OF DENSER SCREENING THERE, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT'D BE A PRIORITY IN AN AREA WHERE YOU'VE GOT LESS ROOM TO PLANT. YEAH, AND THOSE WERE NORMALLY, SORRY. YEAH, AND THOSE, UM, WERE GENERALLY, UM, TO ALLOW, IF, IF, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO GO A LITTLE HIGHER WITH THE MOUND, 'CAUSE THERE'S A THREE TO SIX FOOT RANGE IN THERE AND A THREE COULD FIT NATURALLY AND THAT SETBACK. UM, BUT GIVEN THAT THE SETBACKS A LITTLE TIGHTER, IF THEY WANTED TO GO UP TO SIX, IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT RETAINABLE ON THE BACKSIDE. UM, BUT THE INTENT IS STILL THE SAME IN TERMS OF SCREENING OPACITY AND AND SO FORTH. THANK YOU. AND THEN PROBABLY MORE FOR ZACH, IF YOU EVEN COULD ANSWER THIS, BUT, UM, THE REMOVAL OF TRANSIT STATIONS THERE, IS THIS THE AREA WHERE THERE HAD BEEN DISCUSSION OF A TRANSIT STATION WITH THAT MOR PC PLAN? UM, THAT WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT, DIFFERENT OUTSIDE OF THESE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. THANK. OKAY, I GOT A, I GOT A FEW QUESTIONS AS WELL. AGAIN, THANK YOU. I MEAN, YOU'RE REALLY, REALLY THOROUGH. UM, APPRECIATE YOU KIND OF REACTING TO THE, SOME OF THE COMMENTS. SO I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION FOR ZACH, SO THE, THE UPDATES THAT YOU MET WITH THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY, THE UPDATES MAY WERE RESULT OF THAT MEETING. HAVE THEY SEEN THESE UPDATES? THE PRIMARY UPDATE THAT THEY DID NOT SEE WHEN WE MET WAS THE, THE REDUCED [00:35:01] BUILDING HEIGHT. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS AS IS SHOWN TONIGHT. OKAY, PERFECT. AND THEN ON THAT SAME GOOD SEGUE, SO MY QUESTION ON THE 68 FEET VERSUS WHERE DID THE, I GUESS DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE 68 NUMBER CAME FROM? IS THAT, IS THERE SOME STANDARD OUT THERE? ARE WE LIMITING OURSELVES BY, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LIMITING OURSELVES. I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE 68 SEEMS LIKE A YEAH, THE NUMBER WHEN, WHEN WE STARTED THIS, UH, WHEN IT WAS THE, THE ECONOMIC ADVANCEMENT ZONE AND EVEN BEFORE THEN, SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN 15, 20 YEARS AGO, I THINK THAT BUILDING HEIGHT WAS ANTICIPATED FOR MORE OFFICE BUILDINGS ALONG 33. UM, SO, AND THERE WERE TALKS IN THAT PLAN. THEY HAD A BUILDING HEIGHT PLAN AS WELL THAT SHOWED THAT INCREASED HEIGHT ALONG, UM, THE 33 AND, AND POST ROAD. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM, BUT I THINK IN THE INSTANCES OF TWO AND THREE IT MAKE SENSE TO REDUCE THAT, THAT HEIGHT, IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE LAND USES. OKAY. AND THEN YOU, AND YOU, YOU KIND OF, YOU MENTIONED IT QUICKLY, THE, THE 55 WOULD BE TO THE TOP OF ANY ROOFTOP SCREENING, IF THERE'S A SCREEN WALL THAT'S TO THE TOP, NOT TO THE CORRECT ROOFTOP. OKAY. PERFECT. UM, AND THEN I, I GUESS A QUESTION FOR, UM, THE, OUR PRESENTERS, THE, THE, OR MAYBE IT'S FOR STAFF, FOR EVERYBODY . SO, UM, THE, SOME OF THE GREEN SPACE AND THE, AND THE MOUNTING IS GREAT. I GOT OBVIOUSLY FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT, BUT IN CASES WHERE WE'VE GOT 90 FEET OF MOUNTING THAT, THAT'S A LOT. LIKE, DID YOU GUYS, DID WE EVER CONSIDER, UM, HAVING THE PATHS MEANDER? LIKE, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY USABLE GREEN SPACE ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S MOUNTING SPACE THAT'S JUST PURELY SCREENING, BUT IT, TO ME THAT'S A LOT OF SPACE RACK ASKING OUR DEVELOPERS TO JUST DEDICATE TO NOTHING. HAVING A PATH MEANDER, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, WE DON'T REALLY WANT THEM GETTING TOO CLOSE TO THE BUILDING, SO ON AND SO FORTH, BUT IS THERE A SOLUTION THERE THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PURPOSE? I MEAN IT IS PURPOSEFUL, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF IT COULD, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M ASKING MY QUESTION . YEAH, I I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND OF QUESTION. SO WE, WE, WE DID TALK LAST TIME AND IT IS REFLECTED IN THE MANUAL. I GUESS I DIDN'T REALLY TOUCH ON IT TONIGHT, BUT WE STILL HAVE THAT SAME SORT OF ALLOWANCE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT FOR ID SIX FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS AND THINGS COULD POTENTIALLY MEANDER IN. UM, AND WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT MORE OF A SPECIAL CONDITION THERE. UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY IN TERMS OF IT BEING USABLE SPACE, UM, OTHER THAN FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, HABITATS AND THINGS, IT'S NOT FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY USABLE SPACE FOR PEOPLE. NO, BUT WE COULD INCORPORATE THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, LEISURE TRAILS OR PATHS AND MULTI-USE PATHS AND THINGS, UM, AS NEEDED. YEAH, I I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT AND THERE JUST GIVE AS AN OPTION AND WE CAN ALWAYS SAY THERE'S REASONS NOT TO, BUT I THINK IN CERTAIN CASES IT ACTUALLY CAN MAKE THE SPACE REALLY NICE AND AN AMENITY, UM, FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE. YEAH. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, WE DO ALLOW FOR STORM WATER AS WELL. SO THAT'S SPACE THAT CAN ALSO BE DEDICATED AND THEN THAT ACTUALLY KIND OF WORKS TO A BENEFIT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT LOCK COVERAGE. UM, SO THAT ALLOWS MORE DEVELOPABLE AREA WITHIN THE THE SITE. PERFECT. OKAY. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THOSE QUESTIONS. THAT WAS ON MY MIND AS WELL TOO, BECAUSE I THINK WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT AND I'M GLAD YOU ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. BUT THAT, UM, ONE, THE FIRST QUESTION IS THE WEBSITE THAT'S OUT THERE, CAN YOU TELL IF THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING ON IT AND UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE NUMBERS IS THE COMMUNITY CONNECTING WITH IT? AND I DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS TO THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF NUMBERS, BUT IT'S THE SAME WEBSITE THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE SINCE WE STARTED THIS PROCESS OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. YEAH, THAT'S A HELPFUL PROCESS FOR SURE. AND THEN I JUST HAD, UM, SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROOFTOPS AND A COUPLE DIFFERENT MANNERS IN THE PAST. I BROUGHT UP, IF YOU ARE, IF YOU'RE HOME, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE AND SO FORTH. IF, IF YOU'RE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, WHAT CAN YOU SEE? HAVE WE HAD ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ROOFTOPS AND, UM, PLANTINGS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MORE NATURAL THAN JUST A ROOFTOP OR, UM, COMING UP WITH A, A DESIGN OF, UH, THAT IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN PALPABLE, UM, COLOR OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT? YEAH. UM, SO WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ALREADY IN PLACE. IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY SORT OF ROOFTOP MECHANICALS, THEY HAVE TO BE SCREENED, WHETHER THAT'S BY A PARAPET OR WHETHER THAT'S BY A SCREENING WALL OR SOME SORT OF MECHANISM. UM, SO THAT'S ALREADY COVERED WITHIN THE CODE WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING COLORS THAT'S ALSO COLOR COVERED. MM-HMM . UM, IT HAS TO BE MORE MUTED, UM MM-HMM . I'D SAY IT CAN'T BE SUPER BRIGHT. UM, BUT WHEN YOU DO GET TO ROOFTOPS IT, I KNOW THERE'S MORE OUT THERE WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUALLY DESIGNING THAT IT'S, YEAH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN JUST PAINT [00:40:01] BECAUSE THERE'S UM, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT ARE CONSIDERED OUT OUTSIDE OF, I'D SAY PLANNING RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAD SHARED BEFORE MM-HMM . UM, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE FOR SUSTAINABILITY PURPOSES. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UM, COULD BE, UH, THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, THROUGH LANDSCAPING THAT COULD BE A CREATIVE WAY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PALATABLE IF YOU WERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF YOUR HOME LOOKING OVER? YEAH, I, I MEAN THERE ARE, THERE ARE INITIATIVES THAT ARE IN PLACE WHERE IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO A GREEN ROOF, THEY COULD, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CURRENTLY REQUIRE. UM, BUT THAT'S, AGAIN, THOSE, THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CURRENTLY ALLOW. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THE SPECIFIC LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS TOO, UM, BASED ON WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THE PUBLIC STREETS AND THE, THE DESIGN MANUAL, A LOT OF THOSE TREES ARE GONNA IDEALLY BE 24, WELL NOT 24 MM-HMM 360 4, 365. UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE COVERAGE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND THEN FROM UM, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINES, NOT THE FRONT, THERE'S AN EXISTING REQUIREMENT THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS TO BE 150 FEET AWAY FROM THOSE PROPERTY LINES AS WELL. MM-HMM . AND THOSE HAVE TO BE LANDSCAPED. SO I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VEGETATION THAT'S GONNA SEPARATE THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS FROM ANY SENSITIVE USES. THANK YOU. HILLARY, DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ONE QUESTION. NOPE. SORRY. THANKS. SORRY, I FORGOT. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. UM, THE, YOU ELIMINATED HIGH SCHOOL, BUT YOU LEFT IN EDUCATIONAL FACILITY IN ED TWO. IS THERE SOME RATIONALE BEHIND THAT? YEAH, EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES WOULD BE MORE, UM, LIKE TUTORING FACILITIES SPACES THAT YOU WOULD FIND MORE IN OFFICE SPACES, WHEREAS HIGH SCHOOL, I THINK THAT KIND OF SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. THAT JUST DOESN'T QUITE MAKE IT SENSE HOW IN THIS DISTRICT AND YET YOU'RE LEAVING IN DAYCARE. THAT WAS SOMETHING WE HEARD FROM THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AS SOMETHING WHERE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING WITHIN THESE BUILDINGS PROVIDING, UH, A SPACE LIKE THAT, OR AT LEAST A USE LIKE THAT WHERE THEY CAN, UH, DROP KIDS OFF WITH IN PROXIMITY TO WHERE THEY, THEY WORK. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ORIGINALLY DID HAVE OUT AND WE ADDED THAT BACK IN BASED ON SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK. I'M NOT HAVING GOOD LUCK WITH THAT BUTTON, WOULD YOU? SO MORE OF AN ACCESSORY USE RATHER THAN A PRIMARY USE? UM, CURRENTLY IT'S SHOWN AS A PRIMARY PERMITTED USE. OKAY. UM, BUT WE DO ALLOW FOR IT AS AN ACCESSORY AS WELL. I, I, I WAS MORE CURIOSITY THAN I'M TRYING TO COMMENT ON IT. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. OKAY. COUPLE, COUPLE QUESTIONS. UH, ZACH, WHAT ARE THE EXISTING USES THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN IN THESE CLASSIFICATIONS SEEN OR OR REMOVED FROM THESE CLASSIFICATIONS SEEN IN HERE? 'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED THERE WERE SOME EXISTING USES THAT, UM, THE RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS INDICATED THEY WOULD LIKE IN THERE. SO I, I THINK THE, THE PRIMARY FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD WAS, UM, MOSTLY REMOVING OR MAKING MANUFACTURING ASSEMBLY R AND D CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT SERVICES CONDITIONAL. UM, I THINK WHAT WE HAD HEARD DURING THOSE, THE, THAT MEETING AS WELL WAS THE, THE USES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED WOULD BE MORE PALATABLE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. UM, BUT BASED ON THE, THE GOALS OF THE DISTRICT AND, AND WHAT IS BEING, WHAT'S TRYING TO BE ACHIEVED, UM, THE R AND D MANUFACTURING ASSEMBLY ALIGN WITH, WITH THE GOALS OF THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT. SO THAT'S WHY THOSE REMAIN. I NOTICED A LOT OF THE USES THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED ARE THINGS THAT CAN ACTIVATE THE AREA AFTER BUSINESS HOURS AND, AND THAT PROVIDES MULTIPLE USE. IT PROVIDES SURVEILLANCE AND SAFETY FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND WE'VE ALL BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ABOUT INCREASING MIXED USE IN AREAS. WAS THAT INTENTIONAL? YES, BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW, I MEAN THIS IS A PRETTY BIG DISTRICT, SO TRYING TO POSITION CERTAIN AREAS WITHIN THE DISTRICT AS BEING MORE ACCUSTOMED TO MIXED USE. SO THERE'S A NODE ADJACENT TO IT'S NORTHEAST OF SHIRE RINGS IN COS GRAY THAT IS CALLED OUT AS A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD HAVE SOME OF THESE TYPES OF USES. THERE'S THE OU DISTRICT IN, UM, WHAT'S BEING SHOWN IN THAT AREA THAT ALSO IS INTENDED TO HAVE THAT MIX OF USES. SO I THINK SEPARATING ID TWO AND THREE AS EMPLOYMENT DRIVEN, UM, SECTIONS, ESPECIALLY SINCE MOST, MOST OF IT IS LOCATED WEST OF COS GRAY ROAD AND THERE'S SOME CENTRAL TO, UH, IN THE NORTHEAST, UH, PORTION. SO I THINK WE REALLY TRIED TO TARGET ID TWO AND THREE AS THOSE EMPLOYMENT DRIVEN. AND THEN THERE ARE [00:45:01] SOME OF THESE USES THAT ARE CONSIDERED IN, IN MORE OF OUR MIXED USE AREAS. AND OKAY. AND I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR LANDSCAPE CONSULTANTS. UM, WHAT, WHAT DRIVES THE SETBACKS AND MOUNDING? IS IT BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN AS A USER, WHEN YOU READ THE CODE, THERE'S A LOT OF MOUNDING REQUIREMENTS. THEY'RE MORE USE AND BUFFER DRIVEN, BUT SO ARE THESE DRIVEN BY BUFFERING OR ARE THEY DRIVEN BY THE STREET CHARACTER? UM, MORE DRIVEN BY THE TYPES OF USES AND, YOU KNOW, ALONG THOSE SPECIFIC STREETS AND HOW MUCH WE'RE WANTING TO SCREEN, UM, THOSE, SO THE LARGER SETBACK ALLOWING FOR THAT HIGHER MOUNDED, MORE SCREENING, UM, SO THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LESS OPPORTUNITIES TO SEE INTO THE SITE. UM, THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT'S, WHAT'S DRIVING THOSE. BUT A HUNDRED FOOT, AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS IN THE DISCUSSION, BUT A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK ON TINY LOTS AND, AND YOU HAVE THE COLLECTOR STREET ON HOORA ROAD. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOT DIVISIONS, THEY'RE PRETTY SMALL AND YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL SETBACK IS NORMALLY IN THE 40 FOOT NEIGHBORHOOD, SO YOU'RE IMPOSING A PRETTY BIG SETBACK AND I, I, I WAS HOPING THERE WOULD BE A DRAWING THAT WOULD SHOW THESE SETBACKS ON THE EXISTING PROPERTIES AND THE STRUCTURES ON THERE, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM THE AUDITOR'S WEBSITE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY INFORMATIVE AS TO THE IMPACT ON THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. UM, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES FOR YOU, UM, THAT HAD IN THE BACK HERE. SO, UM, THAT HOPEFULLY, UH, ADDRESS WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT. SO THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE, UM, ALONG THE NORTHERN PORTION OF, UM, CHER ROAD JUST SOUTH OF 1 61, UM, SHOWING WHAT THAT SETBACK 50 FOOT ALONG 1 61 AND 100 FOOT ALONG HOOSCHER ROAD. AND WHAT THAT IMPACT IS ON, UM, THOSE SITES. AND YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT MAP WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SMALLER SITES, THERE IS A SORT OF MINIMUM, UM, LOT SIZE FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE DISTRICT. SO THAT SHOWS WHAT THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOKS LIKE, UM, IN THAT SOUTHERN PORTION WHERE THOSE FOUR PARCELS ESSENTIALLY WOULD NEED TO BE, UM, COMBINED TO MEET THAT, THAT MINIMUM STANDARD FOR DEVELOPMENT THERE. OKAY. BUT THEN FURTHER, AS YOU MOVE FURTHER NORTH, THERE ARE EVEN SMALLER PARCELS, RIGHT? OR THERE ARE A SERIES OF SMALL RECTANGULAR PARCELS FURTHER NORTH ON HOCHER. RIGHT. UM, THIS IS THE FURTHEST PORTION OF, OF HOCHER, UM, IN THE DISTRICT CURRENTLY FROM WHAT THESE, THESE ADDRESS. BUT YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO THE, UM, IN THE DISTRICT CURRENTLY THE ONES DOWN HERE ON THE, YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, AND THIS IS GETTING INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR SPECIAL CONDITIONS AND ARE, ARE SOME OF THOSE THINGS LIKE REQUIREMENTS? THIS ONE EXAMPLE IS IF YOU BREAK THE WALL FOR AN ENTRY, YOU NEED TO BUILD A STONE RETAINING WALL OR CAN YOU, CAN YOU ACTUALLY JUST HAVE AN ENTRY WHERE THE MOUNDS ARE OFFSET? YEAH, SO WE DID, UM, ADDRESS THAT, THAT THAT SPECIFIC THING. WE DIDN'T REQUIRE THE RETAINING WALL. UM, WE, WE DID FOR THE COSCO ROAD PIECE, THE ID SIX PIECE. SO WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY IF THERE ENDS UP BEING AN ENTRY DRIVE, UM, AT ANY POINT IN TIME THERE. BUT UM, TO THE REST OF THE DISTRICT, WE DIDN'T REQUIRE THE RETAINING WALL, BUT WE DID REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, THE MOUNDS OF SORT OF, UM, THEY WOULD OVERLAP IN A WAY THAT YOU COULDN'T HAVE LIKE A DIRECT VIEW, UM, NECESSARILY INTO THE SITE BECAUSE A 14 FOOT RETAINING WALL HAS AS MUCH STRUCTURE BELOW GROUND AND INTO THE GROUND AS ABOVE. YEAH. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALREADY INTRODUCING AN ENORMOUS COST TO BUILD A MOUND AND THEN IF YOU HAD, IF YOU WERE DEVELOPING A PROPERTY THERE, YOU'D PROBABLY WANNA TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ENTER FROM THE REAR TO AVOID THAT COST. I MEAN THAT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. THOSE ARE MY INITIAL QUESTIONS. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSION QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, IT'S TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS PLEASE COME UP. JUST A REMINDER, WE'D LIKE YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. I'M SANDY MCINTOSH. 5 7 9 2 TRAF FOGGER LANE. AT THE JULY 1ST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO REFINE THE CODE LANGUAGE FOR ID TWO AND THREE TO BUILD UPON THE INPUT RECEIVED FROM RESIDENTS AND ADDITIONAL STAKEHOLDERS AND THE LESSONS LEARNED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ID SIX CODE LANGUAGE. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT DO NOT DO THAT AS IT RELATES TO PARCELS NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WHICH IS WHERE I THINK YOUR DISCUSSION SHOULD BE FOCUSED. SOME ID TWO AND THREE PARCELS ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT NEXT DOOR TO PEOPLE'S HOMES. THE PROPOSED ID TWO AND ID THREE [00:50:01] CODE LANGUAGE STILL ALLOWS CONSTRUCTION AND CONTRACT SERVICES, MANUFACTURING AND ASSEMBLY, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AND WAREHOUSING, WHOLESALING AND DISTRIBUTION. IN ADDITION, UTILITIES DASH ESSENTIAL SERVICES IS PERMITTED IN BOTH ID TWO AND THREE, BUT THAT PHRASE IS UNDEFINED IN THE CODE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS? I DON'T. CLEAN MANUFACTURING REMAINS UNDEFINED IN THE CODE. ELECTRICAL SUBSTATIONS ARE PERMITTED IN ID THREE. SMOKESTACKS SMELTING NATURAL GAS TURBINES AND FUEL CELLS. THEY ARE NOT PROHIBITED IN ID TWO AND ID THREE. BIOSAFETY LEVEL THREE AND FOUR BUSINESSES ARE NOT PROHIBITED IN ID TWO AND ID THREE. CONSTRUCTION AND CONTRACT SERVICES AND R AND D ACTIVITIES ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE ENTIRELY INDOORS IN ID TWO AND ID THREE. WAREHOUSING, WHOLESALING DISTRIBUTION AN AMAZON WAREHOUSE, A FEDEX DISTRIBUTION FACILITY CAN OPERATE AS A STANDALONE LOGISTICS WHOLESALER BULK STORAGE FACILITY IN ID TWO OR ID THREE. ALTHOUGH THE USES ARE MORE INTENSE IN ID TWO THAN THEY ARE IN ID SIX. THE SETBACK AND SCREENING REQUIREMENTS AND THE LIGHT TRESPASS RULES ARE LESS PROTECTIVE OF THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN ID TWO THAN THEY ARE IN ID SIX. THE ONLY NEW LANGUAGE OF ANY POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANCE ARE THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AROUND NOISE, VIBRATION, ET CETERA THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED TONIGHT. HOWEVER, THERE IS NO MENTION IN THE CODE OF HOW OR WHEN THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE MEASURED. WHEN THIS SAME CONCERN WAS RAISED REGARDING THE ID SIX CODE LANGUAGE STAFF STATED THAT THEY WOULD CREATE A CHECKLIST TO EVALUATE THESE THINGS. WELL I MADE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR THAT CHECKLIST AND GUESS WHAT? THERE ISN'T ONE. THIS REINFORCES THE IDEA THAT THESE STANDARDS NEED TO BE MADE PART OF THE CODE SO THEY'RE KNOWN TO ALL SO THAT DEVELOPERS AND THE CITY CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR IMPLEMENTING THE LANGUAGE WITH FIDELITY. WHEN WE WERE HERE TO DISCUSS THE ID SIX CODE LANGUAGE, SOME OF YOU SEEM PERSUADED THAT DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS SHOULD COME TO THIS BODY FOR REVIEW AS OPPOSED TO THE STAFF ONLY THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW TEAM. THAT'S BECAUSE WE KNOW THE STAKES ARE HIGH WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO PEOPLE'S HOMES, THOSE STAKES ARE EVEN HIGHER NOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGHER INTENSITY USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN ID TWO AND THREE, PLEASE CONSIDER REVISING THE PROCESS. SO APPLICATIONS COME TO YOU FOR OPEN AND PUBLIC COMMENT. ALSO, WHEN DISCUSSING THE ID SIX CODE LANGUAGE, SOME OF YOU SEEM PERSUADED THAT THESE MORE INTENSE USES SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL AS OPPOSED TO PERMITTED USES. IF YOU FELT THAT HAD MERIT WHEN IT CAME TO ID SIX, IT CERTAINLY HAS MERIT FOR THE MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH ID TWO AND ID THREE. LASTLY, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS NOT A THEORETICAL DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME HYPOTHETICAL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. ACCORDING TO DOCUMENTS RECEIVED IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS IN AUGUST, A COMPANY CALLED GEIS ASKED HOW THEY COULD QUOTE, GET EYES ON THE HEAVIER INDUSTRIAL SITES GIVEN THEIR QUOTE, ADVANCED SLASH HEAVY MANUFACTURING BACKGROUND. THE CITY INDICATED THEY WOULD PROVIDE INFORMATION TO GEIS ON SITES ZONED ID THREE IN RESPONSE. A LATE AUGUST, 2026. EMAIL INDICATES THE CITY HAS A LETTER OF INTENT IN DRAFT FORM AND THEY WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES. ACCORDING TO THEIR WEBSITE, GEISS CLIENTS INCLUDE AMAZON AND A COMPANY CALLED LG CHEM FOR WHOM THEY HAVE BUILT A PLASTIC PELLET MANUFACTURING FACILITY. ARE YOU, ARE YOU ALMOST FINISHED? YES. ALRIGHT. THIS IS ALL TO SAY THAT THE FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION YOU PROVIDE TONIGHT HAS REAL AND IMMEDIATE CONSEQUENCES IN KEEPING WITH CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. PLEASE OFFER DIRECTION TONIGHT THAT TRULY BUILDS UPON THE INPUT RECEIVED FROM RESIDENTS AND THE LESSONS LEARNED WITH REGARD TO DEVELOPMENT OF THE ID SIX CODE LANGUAGE. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. I THINK TWO OF YOU ASKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE WEBSITE AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN A DIFFERENT CAPACITY. I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT THE BALANCE TRADE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE CITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS CODE LANGUAGE. THE RESPONSE WAS, SURE WE CAN HAVE A MEETING. THEY NEVER OFFERED A MEETING. IT WOULD SHOW UP AT WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP IF YOU WANT TO. AND HERE WE ARE TONIGHT. SO THAT WAS THE INPUT THAT WAS GIVEN ON BEHALF OF ENTRE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? MY NAME IS AMY SWANK. I LIVE AT 59 45 V LER PLACE IN DUBLIN. UM, I AM GONNA, HOPEFULLY YOU ALL RECEIVED AND READ MY COMMENTS. THERE ARE FOUR REQUESTS I HAD. I THINK THEY ARE VERY REASONABLE COMMENTS. I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT THESE ARE CODE MINIMAL, CODE CHANGE REQUIRED HERE. THEY'RE IN LINE [00:55:01] WITH WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ASKED YOU TO DO, WHICH IS TO LISTEN TO RESIDENT FEEDBACK. AND MR. CHINOOK, YOU ASK ABOUT THE RESIDENTS. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. THE CITY DIDN'T ASK US WHAT WE THOUGHT THAT NIGHT. THEY JUST TALKED AT US AND IT WAS NOT REALLY A DISCUSSION IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. IT WAS JUST A TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. AND LIKE SANDY SAID, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE A, A CUSTOMER WAITING. THAT'S ALSO THE TIMELINE TO THIS. YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE PUSHING YOU ALL TO GET TO BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THAT LETTER OF INTENT IS SIGNED. WE BELIEVE, UM, WE'VE BEEN GETTING SOME RUN AROUND WITH GETTING DOCUMENTS, BUT WE UM, ARE HAPPY TO FORWARD THAT AND MAYBE YOU COULD ASK AND GET A QUICKER RESPONSE. UM, SOMETHING ELSE ZACH SAID TONIGHT, HE SAID, QUOTE, UH, THE GOAL OR THE GOAL OF THE INTENT STATEMENT IS THAT THERE'S NO IMPACT BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE. UM, AND I REALLY WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE GOAL. I REALLY DO. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE NOISE AND THE VIBRATION AND ALL THAT STUFF. IF, IF THAT'S REALLY THE GOAL, THEN YOU DO NEED TO DECREASE SOME OF THESE AIR POLLUTION ISSUES. UM, LIKE THE INCINERATORS, THE SMELTING, THE SMOKE STACKS. UM, A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES, LIKE I SAID, ON WHO CHART ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR, BUT BALANCE TRAY IS VERY CLOSE TOO. THE, AND THAT DIAGONAL, UM, RAILROAD TRACK IS ABOUT 500 FEET FROM SOME OF THE HOMES ON CHURCHMEN. SO, AND THAT IS A SECOND LARGEST COMMUNITY THAT YOU ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. UM, THE SECOND LARGEST HOA IN IN DUBLIN. UM, SOMETHING ELSE I, ZACH SAID THAT, I GUESS I JUST WANNA THROW OUT THERE, HE SAID SEVERAL TIMES ON HIS BACKGROUND SLIDE THAT HE WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR REZONING. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT THERE. SO, STAFF, MEGAN O' CALLAHAN ACTUALLY WROTE A MEMO TO CITY COUNCIL IN APRIL. UM, IF YOU REMEMBER, THAT WAS ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU ALL WERE TRYING TO, UM, GIVE GUIDANCE ON THE ID SIX LANGUAGE TO THEM. AND SHE SAID IN THAT MEMO THAT WAS SEVERAL PAGES LONG THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE JUST REZONE THESE ID SIX PARCELS EAST OF THE TRACK. AND BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, UM, WITH PLAIN CITY AND JEROME TOWNSHIP, WE REALLY WANNA WAIT ON THOSE WESTERN PARCELS. AND SHE HAD, LIKE I SAID, TWO PAGES OF REASONS. UM, AND MAYOR GROOMS RESPONDED, NO, DON'T DO THAT. WE ARE GONNA REZONE THE WHOLE THING. IT'S ONE AND DONE. AND THERE WAS NEVER ANY PUBLIC DIALOGUE ABOUT THAT. THERE WAS NEVER ANY DISCUSSION. YOU GUYS REALLY NEVER EVEN HAD ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE 'CAUSE OF THAT. AND AGAIN, THAT WAS NOT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THAT WAS THE REQUEST OF ONE PERSON ON CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT ANY OTHER PUBLIC INPUT. SO I KNOW I'M ABOUT OUT OF TOWN, SO I APPRECIATE, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ANYONE ELSE? COME ON UP. I DIDN'T GET SWORN IN, BUT OKAY. TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS. UH, MY NAME IS RICHARD WEEKS. I LIVE AT, UH, 5 8 2 6 HOCHER ROAD IN, UH, DUBLIN, OHIO. AND, UM, I'M HERE TO PRESENT A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION FROM A VERY GOOD FRIEND AND NEIGHBOR AND, UH, PERSON IN, UH, HOARD ROAD, UH, TODD HEBERT, WHICH, UH, YOU'VE ALL HEARD FROM BEFORE. UH, HE APOLOGIZES FOR NOT BEING HERE. HE HAD A BUSINESS MEETING THAT HE COULDN'T CANCEL. UM, BUT HE FEELS IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT MEETING. SO HE WANTED A FEW COMMENTS MADE. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL, UH, OTHER COMMENTS FROM FOLKS FROM, UH, ENTRE, WHICH IS, UH, VERY APPRECIATED. UH, THEY HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAN I DO, BUT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT IS, UH, BUILDING HEIGHTS. YOU KNOW, YOU WENT FROM 68 DOWN TO 55, UH, FOR THE ID TWO AND THREE AREA, UH, BUT YOU WENT DOWN TO 45 FEET FOR ID SIX. WHY THE DIFFERENCE? YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL PEOPLE, UH, IN A COMMUNITY THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS. SO THAT'S ONE CONCERN. UM, ALSO, UH, I THINK WE MENTIONED, UH, THAT DISTRIBUTION, ELECTRICAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CHANGED, UH, AT ALL. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. UH, AND HOW IS THE CITY GONNA PROTECT THE HOOED ROAD RESIDENTS HEALTH, SAFETY, AND QUALITY OF LIFE? UH, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, UH, YOU WENT OUTTA YOUR WAY, A LONG WAYS OUTTA YOUR WAY TO TAKE CARE OF, UH, THE FOLKS IN ENTRE. BUT WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THE RESIDENTS WHO SHOULD ROAD DON'T HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS. NOW I REALIZE WE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY DUBLIN RESIDENCE, BUT, UH, THEY DIDN'T GIVE US A DOUBLE ADDRESS FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER. UH, AND AGAIN, WHY WAS ID SIX [01:00:01] NOT USED AROUND HOARD ROAD? AND I HAD TALKED TO SOME OF THE ZONING FOLKS EARLIER THAT HEY, THIS WOULD BE A VERY OP GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE JUST SURROUND HOARD ROAD WITH AN ID SIX, UM, CAPABILITY. UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE, UH, WID AREA JUST ENOUGH TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF THE FOLKS IN, IN HOGE ROAD. UH, WE STILL ARE VERY MUCH PART OF DUBLIN WHEN WE, UH, GO TO MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'M LOOKING LIKE I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME. UH, BUT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE LEAST ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE ISSUES, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LONG WAYS TO GO, UH, BEFORE WE GET TO A PLACE THAT'S REASONABLE. AND I'M OUT OF TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, NOW IT'S TIME FOR OUR DELIBERATIONS. UM, WHO WOULD LIKE TO START? I'M TRYING TO LET PEOPLE CHOOSE AS OPPOSED TO START, AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING THE PRESSURE ON SOMEBODY. BUT IF I NEED TO, I WILL. I HAVE A COUPLE INITIAL THOUGHTS. UM, WE DID SEE A LOT OF LANGUAGE ON THE IMPACT OF, YOU KNOW, NOISE, VIBRATIONS, ELECTROMAGNETIC, UM, I GUESS I'D BE, YOU KNOW, I'D, I'D BE IN AGREEMENT. WE NEED SOME WAY TO MEASURE THOSE THINGS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE. UM, SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY'S PURSUING, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. UM, I ALSO KNOW THAT WE, YOU KNOW, HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THE DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT BETWEEN THE 55 AND AND 45 FOOT IN ID SIX. UM, I'D BE CURIOUS, IS THAT A FLOOR, IS THAT DIFFERENT DESIGN? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT REDUCES THE FREEDOM FOR A DESIGNER TO MAKE A BUILDING LOOK BETTER? UM, JUST THE IMPACTS ON, ON WHAT YOU GUYS THINK WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE OF THOSE 10 FEET. UM, TAKE A, DO YOU WANT ME TO ASK ZACH TO ANSWER THOSE BEFORE, BEFORE WE GO ON? OR MAYBE BASSAM THERE'S ONE THAT WAS THE LEGAL LEGAL IMPLICATIONS AND HOW, AND WHAT, WHERE THE PROTECTIONS ARE, I THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR, TO ANSWER DAN'S QUESTION, THE DISCUSSION OF THE PROTECTIONS FOR THOSE THINGS THAT AREN'T SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT IN THE CODE. SO THE, THE, THE ZONING CODE IS ONE COMPONENT OF WHAT, UH, GOES INTO ANY PERMITTING. THERE ARE OTHER AGENCIES THAT GET INVOLVED INTO THE REVIEW. THERE ARE BUILDING PERMIT REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD GO INTO THE REVIEW PROCESS. THERE IS TECHNICAL EXPERTISE THAT GOES INTO THE REVIEW PROCESS AS, UH, WE RECEIVE APPLICATIONS. AND SO, UH, THE ZONING, THE ZONING WILL NEVER GET TO A POINT WHERE IT CAN CONTROL EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO. SO WE CAN NARROW IT DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH THE INTENSE STATEMENTS AND THE, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS. BUT THEN THERE ARE, UH, DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS, THERE ARE EXPERTS THAT WOULD BE LOOKING AT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS WELL. SO DID THAT, DID THAT HELP? UH, I MEAN, SO THE, THE ANSWER I GUESS IS THAT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS CODE. IT WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN TO INDIVIDUAL ASSESSMENT THROUGH THOSE BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND OTHER STAGES IN THE PROCESS. I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW THINGS YOU CAN PUT IN A ZONING CODE, BUT WHEN IT STARTS GETTING INTO SOME AREAS BEYOND, SO ZONING USUALLY HAS TO DO WITH LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, BUILDING HEIGHTS, SETBACKS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND, UH, PART OF THE OTHER REGULATIONS WHERE IT GETS TO CLEAN MANUFACTURING AND DEFINITIONS AND, UH, AND THOSE ASPECTS, WE CERTAINLY CAN INCLUDE THOSE, WHICH, WHICH WE HAVE. BUT IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL PERMITTING COMPONENTS AND THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE, AND THAT'S REGARDLESS OF WHICH DISTRICT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, THERE ARE OTHER REGULATIONS AND OTHER EXPERTS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION. AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH IMPOSSIBLE TO INCLUDE ALL OF THAT IN A ZONING CODE. DAN, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR MORE BROAD, BROAD ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES THAT CAN BE BUILT INTO THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, LIKE THAT CAN, SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAYING. SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR MORE BROAD ACCOUNTABILITY, ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES THAT THEY CAN BUILD INTO THE YEAH, ACCOUNTABILITY [01:05:01] IS THE RIGHT WORD. BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE LANGUAGE HERE THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT BEYOND THE PROPERTY, I THINK THAT'S CENTRAL TO THE ISSUE THAT A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE IS HOW DO YOU MEASURE THAT? HOW DO YOU ENSURE IT SO, SO A LOT OF THE, THE PERFORMANCE STANDARD LANGUAGE IS DERIVED FROM THE PUBLIC NUISANCE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE. SO THAT LANGUAGE IS, IS VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT OUR PUBLIC NUISANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE. AND I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO NOISE THAT YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE A CERTAIN DECIBEL. THE WAY THAT IT'S APPROACHED IS THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT. UM, THERE ARE MEASURES THAT GO, YOU KNOW, AS A SITE IS DEVELOPED AND THE BUILDING'S DEVELOPED THAT MEASURES ARE TAKEN INTO PLACE, UM, THAT IF THEY'RE DOING CERTAIN OPERATIONS AND WITHIN THE BUILDING, THEY HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA WITH EITHER OHIO STATE BUILDING, UM, OR FIRE DEPARTMENT. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACTUAL SITE IS DEVELOPED, UM, THAT'S WHERE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS INVOLVED. AND WE'VE HAD THAT IN OTHER AREAS WHERE WE'VE HAD NOISE COMPLAINTS FROM AC UNITS ON, ON BUILDINGS, AND WE, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD GO OUT AND THEY'D WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE COMPLAINANT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON BASED ON THAT CRITERIA. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN APPLIED ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY. IT'S JUST CARRYING SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE OVER SO THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO WORK THROUGH THAT. AND TO FURTHER CLARIFY, THIS CAN BE, THIS COULD INCORPORATE BOTH QUANTITATIVE OR HYPER-TECHNICAL MEASUREMENTS AND MORE QUALITATIVE OBSERVATIONS AS WELL. SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE STUCK TO A CERTAIN DECIMAL LEVEL, FOR EXAMPLE. THAT MAKES SENSE. ARE THERE ANY USES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT THOUGH, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING THEM MEETING THAT STANDARD? I MEAN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE WITH THE USES THAT EXIST IN THE DISTRICT, WE HAVE NOT HEARD HAD THOSE NOISE COMPLAINTS OUTSIDE OF DATA CENTERS, WHICH ARE NO LONGER PERMITTED USES ELSEWHERE IN THE DISTRICT. SO I, I THINK WE WOULD, WE WOULD RELY ON THE BUILDING BEING BUILT TO CURRENT STANDARDS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THEN SHOULD ANYTHING EXCEED WHAT'S EXPECTED, UM, OR NOT EVEN EXPECTED, BUT, BUT WHAT IS OUTSIDE THE PERCEIVED NORMAL, UM, THAT'S WHEN OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD GET INVOLVED AND SEE WHAT MEASURES THERE ARE THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN BY THE, BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE DEVELOPER. SOMETIMES THAT MEANS MODIFICATIONS TO THE BUILDINGS. UM, SOMETIMES THAT MEANS OTHER, UM, WAYS. AND, AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE HIRED EXPERTS IN THOSE FIELDS AS WELL WHEN IT COMES TO IT. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS IF THAT ISSUE BECOMES A PROBLEM. BUT, BUT USUALLY IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS HANDLED AFTER DEVELOPMENT, NOT DURING DEVELOPMENT. AND SO MAYBE FOR THINGS OUTSIDE OF NOISE, BUT LIKE THE WEIRD SMOKE STACKS AND SMELTING AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY CREATE A SMELL OR THAT WOULD CREATE THE VISIBILITY ISSUES OR, YOU KNOW, SMOKE IN THE SKY, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. IN REGARDS TO THOSE, I MEAN, ARE THERE MEASURES THAT YOU COULD PUT ON A BUILDING TO ELIMINATE THOSE OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT THOSE WOULD BE REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS FROM THOSE KIND OF ACTIVITIES? I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION 'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION DURING I SIX AS WELL, AND ID SIX DOES PROHIBIT THOSE TYPES OF FUNCTIONS SUCH AS THE SMOKESTACKS AND SMELTING AND A FEW OTHERS. UM, BUT THERE IS A, THERE'S A STATEMENT OF SIMILAR USES. THE APPLICANT HAS TO PRO PROVIDE INFORMATION THAT STATES THAT THIS ISN'T GONNA BE A, A NUISANCE TO OTHER PROPERTIES. SO YEAH, I I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING. YEAH, I, AGAIN, THIS, UH, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER, UH, PARTIES THAT ALSO GET INVOLVED INTO THOSE REVIEWS. SO MAYBE KEEPING IT BASIC, NOT NECESSARILY SMOKESTACK, BUT IF YOU HAVE A BUSINESS THAT HAS A PAINT BOOTH, THERE ARE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT REQUIRE PROPER VENTILATION AND INSULATION. UH, IF YOU HAVE A VETERINARIANS, A VETERINARIAN'S OFFICE WITH ANIMALS, THERE ARE TYPICALLY SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR NOISE MITIGATION AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO AGAIN, THERE ARE MULTIPLE LAYERS OF REVIEWING THOSE, THOSE THINGS AND ADDITIONAL AGENCIES THAT WOULD HELP REVIEW THOSE TYPES OF, THERE, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE BEYOND THE CITY'S, UH, AUTHORITY REGARDING, UM, CLEAN AIR AND, AND SO FORTH. SO THANK YOU GUYS. AND I GUESS MAYBE GOING BACK TO THE DISCUSSION SIDE, MY THOUGHT IS MAYBE WE CAN FIND A WAY TO HAVE SOME OF THE MORE INTENSIVE USES. I MEAN, THERE SHOULD BE A DIFFERENT STANDARD FOR NEIGHBORS OUTSIDE OF THE ID [01:10:01] DISTRICTS VERSUS INSIDE THEM. SOME MORE INTENSIVE USES SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, BE FURTHER INTO THE PROJECT FURTHER AWAY FROM AREAS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, ID, ID TWO, ID THREE AND POTENTIALLY ID SIX IF IT'S STILL RELEVANT. THANK YOU. UH, JUST ON THE LINE THAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, I THINK, UM, FIRST OF ALL, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO DO A MEETING KIND OF IN SPECIFIC FORMS OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE, BUT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, CODE ENFORCEMENT. SO LIKE, LIKE GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THAT, UM, COULD BE HELPFUL TO, UH, THE COMMUNITY AND A GOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, LEARNING AREA THAT WAY AS WELL TOO. UM, I ALSO THINK THAT FIRST OF ALL, UM, THE NEIGHBORS, UM, HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, UH, COMING OUT AND, UM, PARTICIPATING AND I THINK WE ARE WHERE WE ARE BECAUSE OF THEM AS WELL TOO. UM, THEY, I DID PARTICIPATE AND WENT TO THE MEETING THAT YOU ALL HAD, AND I THOUGHT, UH, ZACH, YOU DID A GOOD JOB, UH, UM, GIVING THE OVERALL, UM, PICTURE OF EVERYTHING. AND THEN THERE WAS TIME WHERE THERE WAS DIALOGUE, I THINK THAT WAS HELPFUL. BUT MORE OF THAT, UM, UH, CAN, CAN ONLY ONLY HELP, UH, IN THE SITUATION AND EVERYBODY LEARNING FROM, FROM EACH OTHER AS WELL TOO. UM, I DO THINK YOU HIT A LOT WITH THE CHARACTERISTIC FITS OF IT, UM, AND LIKE WITH THE LARGE GRASSES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT AND YOU KNOW, WITH THE LARGE, YOU KNOW, GETTING EVEN INTO THE LARGE STONES WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT CAN ONLY BE BENEFICIAL TO THE AREA AND MAKING SURE THAT IT IS SEASONAL AND SO FORTH THAT IT'S, THAT IT REALLY DOES HIT THAT. AND YEAH, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, MORE AND MORE WE CAN HIT ON SUSTAINABILITY, EVEN EVEN A COMPANY THAT COMES IN, UM, A MANUFACTURER AND SO FORTH ABOUT HOW TO BE A, A GOOD, A GOOD CITIZEN IN THE AREA AND, AND MAYBE LISTING SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE A, A GOOD, UM, THINGS THAT THEY COULD BE DOING IN THE AREA, UH, THAT, THAT COULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL AS WELL TOO. UM, AND AGAIN, I I AM HAPPY ABOUT THE BUFFERING HEIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH THE, AND THE RE RE UM, REDUCING OF THE BUILDING HEIGHTS, I WANNA SAY. SO ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS, I THINK WERE, WERE DEFINITELY GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR SURE TOO. SO, UM, UH, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I THINK GARY WAS MENTIONING, UM, WHICH WAS SOMETHING IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ELIMINATING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY BE DOING IN THE EVENING OR DURING LUNCHTIME, AND THAT MAY BE THE EXERCISE AND FITNESS AND SO FORTH AS WELL TOO. UM, MAYBE NEED ANOTHER LOOK AT, THANK YOU. MY TURN. GO AHEAD. OH, I, I, I DO AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT, LIKE THE, THE, THE, THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK IS HOW WE'VE GOTTEN HERE. I MEAN, WE'RE PUTTING IT, WE'RE LITERALLY PUTTING A CITY PARK AS A BUFFER. UM, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF DEDICATED SPACE. I THINK THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAS GOTTEN US TO, GOTTEN, GOTTEN US HERE TO CREATE AN, DOING OUR BEST TO CREATE A REALLY NICE STREET SCAPE AND, AND BUFFERING. UM, SO I KNOW I SENSE THE FRUSTRATION, BUT IT, IT IS, IT IS THE PROCESS AND IT IS, I IT IS, IT IS WORKING. UM, I GUESS I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE, TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMISSION. SO AROUND THE USES, I, WE CAN'T, AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS TOO. LIKE, WE CAN'T LIST EVERY POSSIBLE USE SCENARIO. DO WE NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH THE USES THAT ARE IN THERE THAT, I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN LIST A THOUSAND USES IN HERE OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO. BUT IS THAT LIST SPECIFIC ENOUGH FOR US? DO WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR? UM, DELINEATE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER GO NOT CRAZY DEEP, BUT DO WE NEED TO GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER WITH THE, WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT THE USES ARE? AND THAT'S THE FIRST OF THE THREE ISSUES WE'RE ASKED TO ADDRESS MM-HMM . AND, AND THE FIRST ONE IS, WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT THE USE PERMISSIONS? AND AS JAMIE SUGGESTED, SHOULD IT BE BROADER, SHOULD IT BE NARROWER? ARE PEOPLE HAPPY WITH, UM, MAYBE WE JUST TALK ABOUT THIS FOR A MINUTE. ARE PEOPLE HAPPY WITH THE WAY STAFF SUGGESTING WE DEFINE, UM, THE USES IN THESE TWO DISTRICTS? ANY THOUGHTS? I, I GUESS I, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO SO DEEP INTO IT THAT IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY'RE SO SPECIFIC. BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO ADD A LITTLE MORE, UH, CLARITY OR SPECIFICITY AROUND THE, THE USES. I THINK WE CAN TAKE A LITTLE, A STEP FURTHER, BUT I DON'T ALSO WANNA GO TOO FAR WHERE WE'RE OO OVERLY RESTRICTIVE WITH IT. ONE STEP, AND I, I, [01:15:01] I DON'T, I CAN'T FIND SPECIFICS ON THIS, BUT THE NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT UNDEFINED USES. SO THAT I'D JUST LIKE A LOOK AT IF THERE ARE UNDEFINED USES, I, I WOULD, SPEAKING AS ATTORNEY, I PREFER DEFINITIONS, , IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A USE. SO, UM, THAT'S ONE THING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING WELL-DEFINED. IF WE'RE USING TERMS THIS, THIS THE, YOU UNDER USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS, THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, AND THIS IS PROPOSING, UM, REGARDING THE MANUFACTURING ASSEMBLY USES AND RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT USES, REQUIRED USES REQUIRE USE. THESE USES REQUIRE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. AND A LOT OF THE THINGS IN THE BUILDING CODE THAT WE DEAL WITH REFER TO CERTAIN TESTING GUIDELINES AND CERTAIN TESTING STANDARDS THAT PRODUCTS THAT WE USE OR SYSTEMS THAT WE USE MEET. SO THERE'S A LITTLE COVERAGE THERE JUST IN THAT STATEMENT WE'RE ASK ASKED TO CONSIDER. BUT JAMIE, WERE YOU THINKING WE SHOULD HAVE MORE USES IN HERE LESS, OR WE SHOULD LEAVE IT A LITTLE MORE OPEN? I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A , THERE'S A FINE LINE, RIGHT? I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO BE MORE CLEAR, HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, RESTRICTIONS ON USES, BUT NOT GO SO FAR AS TO, YOU KNOW, TO ME THERE'S A, THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM. I DON'T THINK WE'RE QUITE THERE YET. SO, BUT THE QUESTION IS, GARY, THAT IS THE CURRENT LIST OF USES. OKAY. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THAT'S, AND, AND THIS, AND I'M, I'M GETTING THE IMPRESSION FROM JAMIE THAT THE THOUGHT IS MAYBE NOT, OR I WOULD SAY, I MEAN TO JAMIE'S POINT BOTH WAYS, AND TO KATHY'S POINT, IF YOU WANT TO ADD BACK IN SOME OF THOSE, UM, USES THAT ARE LESS EMPLOYMENT HEAVY AND LIKE I SAID, I MEAN THE HEAVIER USES I THINK WOULD BE INTERIOR. THOSE COULD HELP YOU A NICE BUFFER AS WELL. UM, AND THEN SOME OF THESE UNDEFINED HEAVIER USES, I THINK WE NEED MORE DEFINITION ON, BASED ON SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT ABOUT HEAVY MANUFACTURING, ABOUT POTENTIAL POLLUTANTS, THAT SORT OF THING. VICKI, AND LOOK, YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON. DO YOU WANT TO I, YEAH, SORRY, I WAS GONNA ASK, UM, AND YOU SORT OF ANSWERED, UM, THE QUESTION IN YOUR COMMENT THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IS WHAT OTHER RESTRICTIONS YOU THOUGHT WERE APPROPRIATE TO PUT ON THE USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY HERE? AND I WOULD AGREE, PROBABLY THE ONES THAT ARE UM, ARE THE MANUFACTURING AND ASSEMBLIES USES THAT ARE PROBABLY GIVING THE MOST HEARTACHE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE CLOSEST AND ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY IS, I LOOK DOWN THE OTHER LIST OF SERVICES AND THEY'RE NOT VERY MUCH DIFFERENT THAN OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN WHERE WE HAVE, UM, COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. UM, THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE PLACES THAT PEOPLE AND RESIDENTS PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE LABORATORIES IN, IN THOSE AREAS AND REGIONS THAT I THINK MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S LABORATORIES IN THOSE BUILDINGS. SO, ONE MORE, THAT WAS THE ONE MORE QUESTION . UM, SO THE, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN ROUND AROUND ABOUT THIS AND THIS IS PAINFUL, BUT I, I DO THINK GARY MADE A GREAT, REALLY GOOD POINT. I WANT, I, I WONDER IF WE NEED TO KIND OF RE RE-LOOK AT THE SETBACKS A LITTLE BIT. I THINK WE'VE GONE REALLY, REALLY FAR WITH THEM. AND I, I, I DON'T WANT TO GET US TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE RESTRICTED, WE'RE SO RESTRICTIVE. I MEAN, I'M ALL FOR GREEN SPACE, I'M ALL FOR, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING STUFF. BUT IF WE CAN EITHER MAKE 'EM PURPOSEFUL, USABLE SPACE, BUT HAVING A, I MEAN 200 FOOT, IT IS JUST A LOT AND I DON'T, AND I DON'T WANT GET US IN A, A PINCH WHERE WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, ATTRACT THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, USE BECAUSE WE ARE SO RESTRICTED WITH SOME OF THE MOUNTIES. I JUST GET THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK IF WE CAN. I MEAN, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE IMPRESSION ON THE SETBACKS? SO WE'VE HAD OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY WHERE WE'VE HAD 200 FOOT SETBACKS, SO RIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER ROADWAYS THAT WERE DESIGNED. THE POST ROAD WAS AN EXAMPLE WAS DESIGNED, UM, DEFINED AS A SCENIC ROADWAY. AND I CAN TELL YOU FOR SOME OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS ALONG POST ROAD, THAT'S NEAR, UM, THE PERIMETER CENTER THAT'S THERE, UM, I, I WORKED ON SEVERAL OF THE SITES THERE FOR PREVIOUS CLIENTS AND THAT 200 FOOT SETBACK WAS TOUGH DEPENDING ON WHAT THE BUSINESS, IT TOOK A BIG CHUNK OFF OF THE USABLE LAND AND THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET PARKING AND THINGS. SO IF THE SMALLEST SITE IS REALLY SMALL, YES IT CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON IT, BUT I AM EQUALLY [01:20:01] IN THAT SAME REALM. I THINK, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL DICTATE THAT DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK THE SCREENING THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THIS IS REALLY SENSITIVE AND I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY ATTRACTIVE. SO I DIDN'T HAVE A STRONG OBJECTION TO THE 200 FOOT. I THINK THAT WAS OFFERING BETTER PROTECTION TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I THINK, I GUESS WHERE I WAS GOING TO WITH, WITH THE TRAIN TRACK TO, YOU'RE VERY RESTRICTED, BUT I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DO A SETBACK LIKE THIS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LENDING YOURSELF TO JUST ONE REALLY LARGE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE CAN DO ANYTHING THERE. SO YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH A A WITH A, A PARCEL THAT'S GOT ONE. AND IF THAT'S, I MEAN THAT, THAT MIGHT BE OKAY, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET OURSELVES IN A SPOT WHERE THE ONLY USE HERE COULD BE, UH, JUST AGAIN, ONE LARGE DEVELOPMENT. 'CAUSE NOBODY ELSE CAN, WE CAN'T DO SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS ON IT OR SMALLER BUILDINGS ON IT. THE REASON I MADE MY ORIGINAL COMMENT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE USE MOUNDS AND SETBACKS AS BUFFERING AND AGAINST COSGRAVE. I THINK THE 200 MAKES A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO USES THAT YOU COULD ARGUE POTENTIALLY ARE INCOMPATIBLE. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WITHIN THE OTHER TWO DISTRICTS, WHEN YOU HAVE THE SAME USE ACROSS THE STREET, THEN WHAT'S IN TERMS OF USE BUFFERING, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK ON BOTH SIDES? BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, IT'S A SIMILAR USE ACROSS THE STREET, SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO SHIELD HOUSES FROM, AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T DESIGN THEIR BUILDINGS TO BE UGLY. THAT'S GOOD. SO, UM, PARTICULARLY THE FRONTAGE. SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT, THAT AREA TO ME, I REALLY, I REALLY QUESTION THAT THE SIZE OF THAT SETBACK WHERE YOU'RE WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND, AND YOU HAVE TWO IDENTICAL USES OR AT LEAST IDENTICALLY ZONE USES ACROSS THE STREET. BUT OUR CODE DOES PROTECT WHEN YOU HAVE, BECAUSE IF WITH THIS ZONING, IF THERE ARE RESIDENCES IN THERE WHEN YOU BUILD NEXT TO A RESIDENCE, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE PARTS OF THE ZONING CODE THAT PROTECT AND REQUIRE PROTECTIONS ON THOSE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THAT HERE. SO HOUSES THAT REMAIN, IF A, IF A PROJECT NEARBY BECOMES ONE OF THESE USES ARE STILL GONNA BE PROTECTED. THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN OF MINE IS HOOSCHER ROAD AND THE RESIDENCES THAT ARE THERE. SO IF THAT PROTECTION IS ALREADY IN THE CODE, THEN I'M OKAY WITH IT. BUT THE HOOSCHER ROAD STRIP IS A SENSITIVE AREA AND THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT USES WITHOUT MUCH ROOM TO DO MUCH ABOUT IT. UM, AND SO ALONG THAT WOULD BE MY ONE CONCERN TO LOOK AT THE HOO ROAD AREA AGAIN AND MAKE SURE WE'RE PROTECTING THOSE RESIDENTS. SO WE'VE, WE'VE COMMENTED, I THINK, AS MUCH AS WE CAN ON THE, THE CODE AMENDMENTS OR, UH, ON THAT FIRST PART, ON THE ONE ITEM ON THE PROPOSED USES. NOW THE OTHER QUESTION IS THE DEFINITION. THERE ARE TWO THINGS. THE OTHER QUESTION, AND DAN ASKED A QUESTION, I THINK DAN WANTED A LITTLE BIT MORE IN INPUT ON THE HEIGHT, WHAT WAS, AND I, AND I KNOW ZACH INITIALLY YOU MENTIONED WHY THE 55 WAS CHOSEN, BUT YOU WERE INTERESTED IN WHY IT'S DIFFERENT THAN ID SIX. ID SIX. SO THERE'S THAT PART. SO THERE'S A DEFINITION ON THE, UH, PAGE THREE OF SIX THAT SAYS WHAT THE USE SHALL BE. AND, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WANTED SOME PROTECTIONS, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I'M SURE YOU'VE LOOKED AT IT BEFORE, BUT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PUT IT UP SO PEOPLE CAN, PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT. UM, BUT WE'RE ASKED TO COMMENT ON THAT AND THE HEIGHT CHANGE AS WELL. SO HERE ARE THE, HERE ARE THE TWO ISSUES THAT WE'RE ASKED TO COMMENT ON. SO ON THE FIRST ONE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, I MEAN, I, I LIKE THE LANGUAGE, I JUST, IT'S A, IT'S A MEASUREMENT THING, BUT SO WAS WAS YOUR CONCERN REDUCING IT TO 55 OR HOW THEY GOT AT 55? I, I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IT. I WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE DAN'S QUESTION WAS ANSWERED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS. WE, WE, I THINK ZACH MENTIONED WHY IT WAS REDUCED TO 55, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND THE ID SIX, I THINK THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THE, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT ID 6 45 WAS LANDED ON BECAUSE OF THE ADJACENCY TO, UM, THE, THE BALANCE TRAIN NEIGHBORHOOD THERE AND THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE ON, ON HOCHER ROAD AS WELL. AND THAT'S [01:25:01] A VERY LIMITED AREA WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ID TWO AND THREE, WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT JUST THE SOUTHWEST AREA OF THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, BUT THE BROADER SCOPE AS WELL, WHICH THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY THAT'S NOT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. AND WE HAVE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE BUILT IN ID THREE, UM, THAT I KNOW THERE'S ONE OR TWO THAT EXCEED 45 FEET. UM, SO ONCE THAT STAND, IF IT WERE TO BE SOMETHING LOWER THAN 55, AND ACTUALLY ONE OF 'EM IS BUILT LARGER THAN 55, I THINK IT'S BUILDING FIVE OF THE, THE AMAZON CAMPUS. UM, BUT THE, THE FLEX INDUSTRIAL BUILDING UP AT, AT UH, HOCHER AND 1 61, THAT BUILDING I THINK IS AROUND 45, BUT IT HAS SCREENING ON TOP OF THE BUILDING THAT PUSHES IT TOWARDS THAT 55. SO THERE'S SOME EXISTING CONSTRAINTS WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY HAVE THOSE EXISTING RIGHTS. UM, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR THAT AS WELL AND FELT THAT 55 WAS A GOOD MEDIUM WHERE IT'S STILL LOWERING FROM THAT THE 68 8 FEET, WHICH I THINK OUR STAFF AGREES THAT'S EXCESSIVE FOR, UM, SOME OF THESE MORE INTERIOR LARGER LOTS, UM, BUT STILL ALLOWING FOR THAT SPACE FOR EXISTING USERS AND THEN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO STILL FIT THAT. ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, VICKI. GO AHEAD. CERTAINLY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, THE ONLY THING WHEN I LOOK AT THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS IS I THINK THAT FIRST PART IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT'S NOT IN THERE THAT SAYS USES REQUIRE PERFORMANCE BASED STANDARDS. AND I THINK THAT PHRASE A A ADDRESSES SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THINGS. IT, IT'S RESPONDING TO WHAT'S IN THE BUILDING CODE AND ENGINEERING GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS, BUT IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE CLAUSE. SO I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED MIGHT BE ADDRESSED MORE SPECIFICALLY IF THAT IS AT LEAST AN ANTECEDENT TO THIS OR IT'S SOME WAY INCORPORATED IN THIS. OKAY. SO OTHERWISE EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THE LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW. I, I JUST LOOKING AT THIS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, I REMEMBER WITH THE ID SIX DISCUSSION WE TALKED ABOUT BIOHAZARDS OR SOME, I'M LOOKING AT VICKI BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONE WHO CAME UP WITH IT. WE DID, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT YEAH. LAST TIME WITH UH, HOW THOSE DEFINITIONS WERE INCORPORATED. WELL, AND I REMEMBER WE ADDED SOME SORT OF LANGUAGE LIKE THAT IN OR, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SURVIVED COUNSEL OR NOT, BUT, AND MAYBE WITH ID TWO AND ID THREE, IT'S NOT A CONCERN BECAUSE THEY'RE FOR, THEY'RE NOT AS, THERE ISN'T AS MUCH LINEAGE THAT'S CONTIGUOUS WITH OR NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL. BUT THAT WOULD, THAT'S JUST ONE CONCERN THAT I'M REMINDED OF OUR DISCUSSION SO THAT THAT LANGUAGE WAS ADDED INTO THE INTENT LANGUAGE FOR ID SIX. UM, WE WERE NOT PROPOSING TO, TO UPDATE THE ID TWO AND THREE, BUT IN SHOWING THOSE, I MEAN ID THREE DOES TALK ABOUT MORE CLEAN MANUFACTURING ALREADY AND ID TWO IS EXPECTED FOR SMALLER SITES. ALRIGHT, SO I THINK WE'VE GIVEN YOU FEEDBACK ON THAT SECOND ISSUE AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN OUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE SETBACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL. UM, ARE THERE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT COMMISSION MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT CONVERSATION? IF I COULD PLEASE CLARIFY MAYBE A POINT FROM A DISCUSSION EARLIER AROUND THE 200 FOOT, UM, THAT IS LIMITED TO THE COS GRAY ROAD FRONTAGE SOUTH OF SHIRE RINGS. THAT WAS A PART OF THE ID SIX DISCUSSION AND REZONING. SO THAT'S NOT CHANGED AND THERE ARE NO OTHER PORTIONS OF THE WIDTH THAT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT CONDITION. UM, THE NEXT STEP IS THE 100 FOOT ONES, UM, WHICH A PORTION OF THAT WAS ALSO CONTEMPLATED WITH THE ID SIX ZONING ON THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF SHI RING SOUTH OF THE PARK. UH, LARGELY THE AREAS EAST OF COS GRAY ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING ZONING SETBACKS OF 50 TO 30 FOOT. IT'S LARGELY, IT'S WEST OF COS GRAY ROAD, WHICH WE ARE PROPOSING THE INCREASED SETBACKS. AND I THINK AS MR. CLARK, UM, NOTED THAT THIS IS A RELATIONSHIP TO THE ID TWO AND I ID THREE ZONING AREAS THAT WOULD BE OUT IN THIS AREA AND REACTING THOSE POTENTIAL DIFFERENT USES, UM, WHICH COULD OCCUR IN THOSE WHICH ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'D PROBABLY EXPECT TO SEE ON UNIVERSITY OR THAT WE SEE NOW ON EMERALD PARKWAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU BOARD MEMBERS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION STAFF MEMBERS? IF WE'VE GIVEN YOU ENOUGH FEEDBACK? DO YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR US? [01:30:01] YEP. JUST ON THAT POINT TO CLARIFY, I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE DISCUSSION ON IF IT'S SOME OF THESE SETBACKS ARE TOO MUCH, NOTING THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT 200 FOOT IS LIMITED TO COS GRAY ROAD. ARE THERE A HUNDRED OR THERE REMAINING SETBACKS ACCEPTABLE OR WOULD THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THAT KNOWING TOO THAT THE SETBACK DISTANCE IS ALSO CORRELATED TO THE MOUNDING? SO A REDUCTION IN THE SETBACK WOULD MEAN A REDUCTION IN THE MOUNDING TOO. SO CONTEMPLATING THOSE TWO IDEAS TOGETHER, I HAD NO ISSUES ON THE SETBACKS BEING PROPOSED. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE AND KEEPING 'EM THE SAME. THANK YOU. I STILL HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH, WITH A HUNDRED PARTIC, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE PARCELS THAT ARE SOUTH OF NEW STREET FOR, UM, AND YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THOSE PARCELS. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN COMES FROM. UM, SO MM-HMM . YEAH, I I SHARE THE SAME CONCERN. I THINK THERE'S A REALLY GREAT POINT THAT YOU MADE, UM, TO HAVE IT ON BOTH SIDES. YEAH, IT MAY MAKES FULLY MAKES SENSE WHAT YOU SAID FOR THE 200 AT COS GRAY, BUT I THINK YOUR POINT WAS, WAS VALID TO SAY IS IT, IS IT EXCESSIVE, UM, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET? SO I AGREE WITH AGREE WITH YOU GARY, IS THAT TRUE? EVEN IF WITH THE THREE ACRE, IT'S A THREE ACRE MINIMUM, RIGHT? TO BUILD, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COMBINE THOSE PARCELS ANYWAY TO MAKE IT LEAST THREE ACRES? POTENTIALLY NOT POTENTIALLY. IF THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THERE, THEY HAVE TO, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN A, A NEW BUILD, AM I GETTING THIS RIGHT? THIS WOULDN'T IMPACT THE ANY EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE THERE TODAY. IT'S IF THEY WOULD REDEVELOP AND ALSO THEN REZONE AT THAT POINT TO THE ID THREE PROBABLY THAT'S THEIR, IS WHEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEN FOLLOW THESE WOOD ZONING REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING THE SETBACK COMPONENT, RIGHT? SO WITH THE NEW BUILD THE HAVE TO COMBINE THOSE TO MAKE BIGGER PARCELS, IT WOULDN'T BE THOSE TINY PARCELS THAT YOU SEE UNLESS WE GET A VARIANCE, VARIANCE REQUESTS. WELL THEY WOULDN'T THEN THEY'RE KIND OF, WELL, A VARIANCE REQUEST TO REDUCE THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK FOR A TINY PARCEL OR ALL OR ALL OR ALL KINDS, ALL KINDS OF VARIANCE. YEAH. SO, ALRIGHT. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NOT A CONSENSUS ON, ON THAT ISSUE . SO, SO WE'LL SEE WHAT YOU BRING BACK IN TWO WEEKS. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. I, I THINK OUR CONVERSATION ON THIS MATTER'S CLOSED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, WHAT WE NEED THIS, WE, I NEED TO READ THIS INTO THE RECORD CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 0 4 5 PDP OR R DUBLIN REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A NEW MULTI-TENANT BUILDING AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THE APPROXIMATELY 3.65 ACRE SITE IS ZONED BSDC AND IS LOCATED AT 62 85 SAW MILL ROAD. SO AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, UM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS. DO YOU WANT TO ELABORATE OR SHOULD WE YEAH, SHOULD WE JUST VERY BRIEFLY, UH, IT CAME TO LIGHT RECENTLY THAT, UH, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, SUMMER ROAD IS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OF COLUMBUS AND THEY, IT CAME TO LIGHT THAT THEY MIGHT REQUIRE MORE RIGHT OF WAY THAN WE ORIGINALLY EXPECTED ALONG THAT STRETCH. SO THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO REEVALUATE THEIR SITE PLAN AND SITE LAYOUT AND THEN IF THEY DECIDE TO PROCEED, THEY WILL COME BACK TO YOU. SO THE REQUEST IS TO POSTPONE AT THEIR, AT THEIR INITIATIVE. UH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I AM GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE I CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION MYSELF AND I WAS LOOKING AT THAT. ALRIGHT, SO WE NEED A MOTION TO POSTPONE CASE NUMBER TWO SIX DASH OH FOUR FIVE PDP AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST UNTIL THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING. UM, MOTION TO POSTPONE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. MR. CHINOOK? YES. MS. HARDER? YES. MS. DAMER? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. GARVIN? YES. MS. NEWELL? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY [COMMUNICATIONS] COMMUNICATIONS? NOT TONIGHT. OTHER THAN A REMINDER THAT THE NEXT MEETING IS IN A COUPLE WEEKS ON THE 15TH. OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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