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YES. GOOD. THANK YOU EVERYONE. SO WE START IN THE CASES, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION AND MODIFICATIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO ANY SITE IN IN THE AREA, SUBJECT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW UNDER THE PROVISION OF THE ZONING CODE, SECTION 153.170. THE BOARD HAS THE DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY ON THESE CASES.
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THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE ENDED THE CASES. SO WE HAVE TWO CASES TONIGHT.
AND AS THE FOLLOWING TWO CASES PERTAIN TO THE SAME PROJECT AND PROPERTY.
THEY WILL BE CONSIDERED TOGETHER THIS EVENING.
SEPARATE ACTIONS WILL BE TAKEN FOR EACH CASE.
SO WE WILL START WITH WHAT. WE'LL DO THEM TOGETHER.
[Case #26-057ARB-DEMO]
[Case #26-058ARB-AFDP ]
SO WE HAVE CASE 26 057ARB DEMO RIVERVIEW VILLAGE 62 NORTH RIVER STREET, RIVERVIEW STREET.DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK BUILDING. THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW.
REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK STRUCTURE.
THE 0.523 ACRE SITE IS ZONED HDC HISTORIC DISTRICT HISTORIC CORE AND IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF NORTH RIVER, RIVERVIEW, RIVERVIEW STREET, SOUTH OF NORTH STREET, AND WE'LL ALSO HOLD THIS TOGETHER.
CASE NUMBER 26058ARBAFDP. RIVERVIEW VILLAGE 62 NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW THE RECONSTRUCTION OF ONE OF THE STRUCTURES. THE COMBINED PLUS -0.68 ACRE OVERALL SITE IS ZONED H, D, H C HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AWESOME. TAKE IT AWAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I HOPE YOU BROUGHT SOME PATIENCE WITH YOU TONIGHT, BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A LENGTHY PRESENTATION, BUT WE HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS THAT WERE NOT HERE WHEN THIS WENT THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS BEFORE.
AND OF COURSE, IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR SINCE THE REST OF YOU SAW THIS APPLICATION.
SO WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND, BECAUSE I THINK THAT BACKGROUND IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT. THE SITE AS PART OF THE RIVERVIEW VILLAGE PROJECT.
SO THE SPECIFIC PROJECT SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, AND THAT'S THE EAST SIDE OF NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, WHERE 62 NORTH RIVERVIEW IS CURRENTLY LOCATED.
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THAT'S A RED HOUSE AND HAS BEEN KNOWN ULTIMATELY AS A RED CAB, ALTERNATIVELY AS THE RED CABIN OR RED HOUSE OR 62 NORTH RIVERVIEW.BUT WHAT I ALSO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE REST OF RIVERVIEW VILLAGE, WHICH INCLUDES THE THREE PARCELS ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, AS WELL AS SOME AREAS WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WHEN WHERE THE STREET IS GOING TO BE REALIGNED.
SO THERE WILL BE A KIOSK LOCATED HERE AS WELL.
SO IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, THIS HAS GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF APPROVALS WITH THIS BOARD AT LEAST, INCLUDING AN INFORMAL REVIEW IN 2023 CONCEPT PLAN AND DEMOLITION OF SOME ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND MOVING INTO ULTIMATELY FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL. AND SUBSEQUENT TO THAT PREVIOUS AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT, WE'RE CALLING IT AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
CONCEPTUALLY, IT'S ENCOMPASSES THE RIVER VILLAGE AREA.
SO AGAIN LONG HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT HERE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE FIRST COUPLE SLIDES UNLESS WE GO BACK TO THEM, BECAUSE I THINK IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO GO THROUGH A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF THOSE.
BUT NEEDLESS TO SAY, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2021, WHEN THE CITY ACQUIRED SOME PARCELS THERE TO TRY TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER AND THE SCALE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THERE HAD BEEN SOME PROPOSALS FOR LARGER DEVELOPMENTS, HOTELS AND OTHER THINGS, AND THE CITY HAD AN INTEREST IN MAINTAINING THE SCALE BUT ALSO HAVING CONTROL OVER SOME OF THE PARCELS THAT FRONT ON THE RIVER WITH THE INTENT TO DEVELOP A PARK IN THE FUTURE AT THAT LOCATION.
SO THE INITIAL ACQUISITION THAT THE CITY HAD INCLUDED ALL OF THE PARCELS ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, INCLUDING THE THREE HOUSES TO THE SOUTH OF WING HILL THAT ARE NOW OUTSIDE OF THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA OF RIVERVIEW, RIVERVIEW VILLAGE. AND THAT WAS THE CONCEPT THAT ORIGINALLY WAS PART OF A RESPONSE TO A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS THAT THE CITY HAD PUT OUT, AND COACH WAS THE ONE THAT WAS AWARDED THE OR AMONG TWO RESPONSES.
THEIRS WAS THE CLOSEST TO WHAT THE CITY INTENDED.
PART OF THE REASON I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THIS HISTORY IS BECAUSE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THE RED HOUSE WAS INTENDED TO BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
IT WOULD INCLUDE THESE DECKS, THE VIEW TO THE RIVER AND SO FORTH.
AS THIS PROGRESSED, THOSE THREE HOUSES TO THE SOUTH, EVERYBODY DECIDED THAT THOSE WERE TOO MUCH OF A STRETCH TO INCORPORATE INTO THIS PROJECT. SO THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT FROM THE BEGINNING THAT IF THAT WAS THE CONCLUSION, THOSE WOULD BE SOLD SEPARATELY, WHICH IS WHAT EVENTUALLY HAPPENED.
AND SO THAT LED TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT FOCUSED ON THE PARCELS.
I SHOWED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, WHERE THE CITY AGREED TO DO QUITE A BIT OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WITH STREETS AND UTILITIES AND PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND SO FORTH. AND COACH WOULD DO THE RENOVATIONS OF THE BUILDINGS TO CREATE MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN THE CITY AND ALSO PROVIDE THAT ACCESSIBILITY AND RESTORATION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES.
EVENTUALLY, IN 2024, A CONCEPT PLAN WAS BROUGHT TO THIS BOARD, AND IT SHOWED A BRAND NEW BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE, ALONG WITH THE RENOVATION OF 62, AND THEN THE RENOVATION OF THE OTHER THREE STRUCTURES ON THE WEST SIDE, AND THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE ARB.
ULTIMATELY WAS APPROVED ALSO BY CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEN THEY CAME BACK WITH A MORE REFINED CONCEPT AND I BELIEVE SEPTEMBER OF 2024.
AND THAT WAS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE ENDEAVOR AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE IT INCLUDED A PARKING PLAN AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH HOW THE DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING TO WORK. AND AGAIN, YOU COULD SEE WITH THE RED HOUSE, THE INTENT WAS TO BE A RESTAURANT.
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THE DAY, BUT COULD BE. MARKETS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES IN THE EVENINGS OR ON WEEKENDS.YOU COULD SEE THE KIOSK THAT WAS ADDED. AGAIN, THAT'S WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WITH THE REALIGNMENT OF THE STREETS AND AGAIN INCLUDED A RESTAURANT. THERE WERE SOME DETAILS THAT NEEDED TO STILL BE COORDINATED WITH THE CITY'S PROJECTS, SO THEY WERE DEFERRED FOR AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THOSE WERE ULTIMATELY APPROVED IN EARLY 2025.
AND THEY WOULD INCLUDE OR WILL INCLUDE. AND THAT'S AS YOU SAW LAST WEEK.
THERE WOULD BE BRICK CROSSWALKS, THERE WILL BE CONNECTIVITY TO THE JUST BEHIND THE PEARL.
AND NO SUGGESTING THERE WOULD BE CONNECTIVITY TO THE WEST PLAZA AND THE DUBLIN LINK BRIDGE, THERE WOULD BE AN ENTRANCE TO THE EVENTUAL ENTRANCE TO THE PARK JUST NORTH OF THE RED HOUSE.
AND THEN, BECAUSE THOSE STREETS ARE NARROW AND WE'RE STILL ALLOWING TWO WAY TRAFFIC.
THERE IS THIS CONCEPT OF ALLOWING MOUNTABLE CURBS WITH SOME GRANITE COBBLESTONES SO THAT A CAR COULD, IF THEY NEED TO GET UP ON THE SIDEWALK A LITTLE BIT WITHOUT DAMAGING THE CAR OR DAMAGING THE SIDEWALK.
SO THESE ARE JUST SIMILAR CONCEPTS, JUST A CROSS SECTION OF THOSE STREETS.
AND THEN KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S ALL DONE.
A FEW OTHER DETAILS ALONG WITH THOSE. THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME LIGHTING THAT YOU SEE HERE.
THERE'S CATENARY LIGHTING THAT WILL GO OVER BLACKSMITH LANE, TYPICAL HISTORIC DISTRICT STREET LIGHTING ALONG NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, THE SIDEWALK ALONG NORTH STREET. WE HAD TO WALK IN THE STREET LAST LAST WEEK.
YOU'LL EVENTUALLY HAVE A SIDEWALK TO GET THERE.
THERE WILL BE SOME STREET TREES AND OTHER LANDSCAPING INCLUDED, AS YOU SEE HERE.
EXCUSE ME. THERE WERE SOME ILLUSTRATIONS THAT WE SHARED LAST YEAR ALSO IN TERMS OF HOW THAT WORKS.
AND I WANTED TO SHOW THIS BECAUSE SOME OF THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TONIGHT AND SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE YET TONIGHT, BUT AND EVEN THIS IS A LITTLE HARD TO, TO REALLY SEE, BUT THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW SITS A LITTLE BIT BELOW STREET GRADE. THAT STREET GRADE IS GOING TO RISE A LITTLE BIT MORE AS THE STREET GETS REALIGNED.
SO WHERE YOU SEE THIS WALL, THIS WALKWAY IS GOING DOWN WHILE THE SIDEWALK IS GOING UP.
AND SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE TALK ABOUT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE THE IDEA IS POSSIBLY RAISING THE THE LEVEL OF THE HOUSE SO THAT SOME OF THOSE COULD BE ADJUSTED AND, AND BE A LITTLE MORE ACCESSIBLE.
THIS IS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW. THIS IS A BLOCK DIAGRAM HERE, BUT THIS IS INTENDED TO SHOW THE OSCARS.
THE FORMER OSCARS SITE AND HOW THAT PATH WOULD CONNECT UP TO THE TO THE BRIDGE.
SO ULTIMATELY YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CROSS THE BRIDGE, COME DOWN TO THIS, ENJOY COCKTAILS AT THE KIOSK, OR ENTER THE PARK FROM THAT STANDPOINT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO AROUND THE WHOLE BLOCK.
AND SO A LOT OF THOSE DETAILS GOT RESOLVED AND FINALIZED IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
SO ALMOST A YEAR TO TO THE DATE WHEN THOSE WERE APPROVED, AND INCLUDED FINALIZING THE STEPS, GOING DOWN TO THE EVENTUAL PARK AND SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT WERE OUTSTANDING.
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THE RENOVATIONS, THE NEW ADDITIONS, AND THEN HOW IT FITS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE OTHER THREE HOUSES THAT ARE BEING RENOVATED, AND THE NEW BUILDING THAT'S PLANNED TO THE SOUTH OF THAT RED HOUSE.A FEW OTHER IMAGES TO KIND OF CONVEY THE CHARACTER A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND THEN ONE KIND OF FOCUSING SPECIFICALLY ON THE FRONTAGE OF THE HOUSE.
AND AGAIN, YOU COULD SEE HOW THIS WALL, IF YOU WILL, KIND OF MAKES UP FOR THAT GREAT CHANGE.
SINCE THEN, THEY'VE WORKED THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
WE GOT TO A POINT WHERE THE PERMIT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED.
THERE WERE A FEW THINGS THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY BECOME RELEVANT WHEN THEY COME BACK NEXT MONTH THAT WE WERE GOING TO APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY AS WE REVIEWED THE THE PLAN.
THEY INCLUDED SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ENCLOSURE, SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE PAVILION ADDITION, INCLUDING SOME MATERIALS AT THE HYPHEN. THERE'S A CHIMNEY AND TERRIBLE SHAPE ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING THAT WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEING REMOVED. THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE MANUFACTURER OF THE PROPOSED WINDOWS AND DOORS, AND THEN A FEW OTHER CHANGES TO THE PAVILION THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO THIS NOW BECOMES AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THOSE WHEN THEY GET THE FINAL DETAILS FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO BE PRESENTED TO YOU. THIS PARTICULAR IMAGE ACTUALLY SHOWS THE CONCEPT OF WHAT THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS CHANGING TO.
WILL WILL GET YOU MORE DETAILS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO WITH ALL OF THAT SAID, WE WERE ALL EXCITED.
WE WERE GETTING CLOSE TO THIS BEING RENOVATED, AND THEN THEY REMOVED THE INTERIOR FINISHES AND PREPARATION FOR THE RENOVATION AND DISCOVERED THAT THIS STRUCTURE WAS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE. MY FIRST IMPRESSION WHEN I FIRST SAW THE STONE IS BOY, THE STONE LOOKS GREAT.
IT'S STANDING UP STRAIGHT. AND THEN A COUPLE DAYS LATER IT RAINED AND AN ART SHOW A VIDEO IN A SECOND TO GIVE YOU THE FULL EXPERIENCE OF THAT. THE, THE AFRICAN STRUCTURAL ENGINEER LOOKED AT IT AND PROVIDED A STATEMENT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL AND MYSELF WENT THERE, AND IT HAPPENED TO BE THE DAY WHEN WE HAD THOSE STORMS AND TORNADOES AND OTHER THINGS IN AUGUST AROUND TOWN, AND I NEEDED TO GET A TRANSLATION FROM THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL AS TO WHAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS TERMINOLOGY WAS. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, AS YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THE STRUCTURE IS BUILT, IT'S IT'S WHAT MAKES IT NEAT IS ALSO PART OF THE PROBLEM. IT'S INTEGRATED INTO THE BEDROCK.
SO IT'S THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT KIND OF COEXISTING.
BUT WHAT THAT'S CREATING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SLOPE THAT WE HAVE AT THAT LOCATION, IS A CONCERN AMONG BOTH THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT THOSE WALLS ARE NOT ANCHORED TO THE GROUND.
WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE ANCHORED TO THE GROUND.
AND SO AS LONG AS THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE RENOVATED AT GREAT COST AND MAYBE, MAYBE SAFE ENOUGH. BUT ONCE THE USE CHANGES TO ANY TYPE OF ASSEMBLY USE IS THE TERMINOLOGY THAT THEY USE.
THE LOAD WAS SUCH THAT THERE IS GREAT CONCERN ABOUT WHETHER THAT MIGHT SLIDE OFF THE THE BEDROCK.
SO THAT'S WHAT GOT US HERE. BUT EVEN THE UPPER FLOORS, ASIDE FROM THE STONE WALLS, YOU COULD SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DETERIORATION, DETERIORATION THAT WAS HIDING BEHIND THE WALL FINISHES.
THERE'S WALL MATERIALS THAT'S COBBLED TOGETHER.
THERE ARE STRUCTURAL BEAMS THAT ARE VERY MUCH ROTTED AND, AND SAGGING.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S A WONDER THAT THIS THING HAS STOOD FOR AS LONG AS IT HAS.
BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME ADDITIONAL PICTURES THAT WERE PROVIDED IN THE PACKET OF MATERIALS AS WELL.
BUT THIS IS A VIDEO THAT WAS TAKEN THE DAY OF THAT STORM.
SO I'M GOING TO PLAY THAT. AND THERE'S AN AUDIO THAT I THINK ADDS TO IT A LITTLE BIT.
SO YOU CAN APPRECIATE WHAT THE WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE ON THAT DAY.
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TRYING TO GET TO THE NEXT SLIDE WITHOUT PLAYING THE VIDEO AGAIN.THERE WE GO. SO THESE ARE A FEW OTHER PICTURES.
AND I THINK THIS IS GENERALLY IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHERE THAT BEAM STOPS.
SO WITH THAT INCLUDED ALSO IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS WERE SOME PICTURES OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, INCLUDING EVIDENCE THAT THEY'VE BEEN TAKING MEASUREMENTS SO THAT THIS COULD BE REPLICATED TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.
AND SO I DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE PICTURES.
JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES THAT THEY'RE DOCUMENTING THOSE.
SO. BUT SPEAKING OF DOCUMENTATION, WE INCLUDED ALSO IN YOUR PACKET THE HISTORIC STUDY OF THAT BUILDING THAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR, AND THAT INCLUDED THE BUILDING OF THE GROUNDS AND FOUND SOME TRACES OF WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE ORIGINAL TANNERY THAT USED TO BE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT OF THAT PARCEL. BUT SOME PICTURES THAT I WANTED TO SHARE, BECAUSE THOSE ALSO BECOME PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS WHEN THEY COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE RECONSTRUCTION PLANS.
THIS IS A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FROM 1929.
AND IF WE ZOOM IN, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE THE HOUSE AND THE BACKGROUND WHEN THE BACK ADDITION WAS A DOUBLE DECKER, BASICALLY OPEN PORCH AT THE TIME.
BUT THE GENERAL MASSING OF THE BUILDING HAS STAYED THE SAME FOR ALL OF THOSE YEARS.
WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO GET PICTURES FROM ONE OF THE FORMER OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT THIS IS A HOUSE, WE BELIEVE IN THE 1930S WHEN IT ACTUALLY HAD A FULL FRONT PORCH AND YOU COULD SEE THE CHIMNEY WAS BRICK AT THE TIME AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW. AND THEY PUT STONE OVER THE BRICK AND OBVIOUSLY THE PORCH IS GONE.
BUT AGAIN, THE OVERALL FORM IS GENERALLY THE SAME.
AND THEN THIS IS ONE AGAIN, DON'T KNOW THE DATES, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT AT SOME POINT A GARAGE WAS ADDED TO THE AREA WHERE THE ARCH WINDOW IS LOCATED RIGHT NOW. IT HAD EXPOSED RAFTERS AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, IT HAD AN ENTRANCE WITH A, I'M GOING TO CALL IT A VESTIBULE WITH A GABLE FEATURE, WHICH IS IN THE SAME LOCATION AS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED OR WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED FOR THE STRUCTURE. ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS THAT I FOUND OUT FROM TALKING TO MR. BASSETT IS THAT HE'S THE ONE THAT REMOVED THIS GARAGE AND THAT THIS ARCHED WINDOW, AND I'LL SHOW A PICTURE IN A MINUTE, ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE HISTORIC RUINS THAT ARE BEING PRESERVED NEXT TO THIS HOUSE.
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SO BEFORE HE DID THAT, YOU COULD SEE THAT IT WENT THROUGH ANOTHER ITERATION WHERE THEY ENCLOSED THOSE RAFTERS.AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHEN THE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING WAS ADDED.
THEN ANOTHER VIEW THAT SHOWS THAT AFTER IT GOT PAINTED RED AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW DATES OF ANY OF THESE PICTURES, BUT YOU CAN SEE THOSE PANELS. THERE ARE SHUTTERS THERE RIGHT NOW.
YOU CAN SEE THEM HERE THAT APPARENTLY COVERED UP THOSE THOSE PANELS OF THAT LOCATION.
THEN ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE GARAGE FROM AROUND THE SAME TIME.
AND THEN SHORTLY AFTER, I BELIEVE THE RENOVATIONS THAT INCLUDED THE ADDITION OF THAT ARCHED WINDOW.
AND THIS IS A AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH FROM ODOT'S ARCHIVES FROM 1963.
YOU CAN SEE THE STRUCTURE ON TOP OF THE RUINS.
AND THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THE WINDOW THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THERE IS THE ONE THAT WAS USED HERE, AND THEY HAD A POOL AT THAT TIME IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WHEN EVERYTHING FLOODED, BUT THE REMNANTS, YOU CAN SEE A STONE WALL HERE.
AND THEN I INCLUDED JUST A COUPLE OF PICTURES FROM EARLY 2025, BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT AFTER THEY CLEARED THE AREA AND IT WAS A LITTLE MORE VISIBLE FOR DOCUMENTATION PURPOSES. SO JUST DIFFERENT VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES.
AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THE RUINS IN THE FOREGROUND.
SO WITH THAT. I MEAN IT'S, IT'S QUITE UNFORTUNATE THAT AGAIN, THE THING THAT MAKES THE BUILDING UNIQUE IS THE ONE THAT'S CAUSING THE CURRENT PROBLEM. BUT WE THINK THAT THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT COULD BE PRESERVED FROM THE ORIGINAL FABRIC, AND WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT MAKE A BEST FAITH EFFORT TO MAYBE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE.
THE CRITICAL ONES ARE THE STONE FOUNDATION WALLS.
OBVIOUSLY, WHEN THEY DEMOLISH IT AND BUILD FROM SCRATCH, THEY'RE GOING TO EXCAVATE THE BEDROCK AND IT'S GOING TO BE NEW, PROBABLY CONCRETE FOUNDATION, BUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE STONE, THE ORIGINAL STONE, SALVAGED AND REUSED AS A NEW VENEER SO THAT FROM THE OUTSIDE IT STILL LOOKS THE SAME AND WORK WITH THEM ON CONVEYING THE SAME FEELING OF DEPTH THAT YOU COULD SEE HERE WITH HOW DEEPLY RECESSED THE WINDOW IS CURRENTLY SITUATED.
PERHAPS FINDING NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THIS ARCH WINDOW HAS BEEN PART OF THE HISTORY OF THE SITE, SOME USE FOR IT, WHETHER IT'S PART OF THE INTERIOR DECOR OR SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE OVERALL RIVERVIEW VILLAGE SITE.
THE STONES ON THE CHIMNEY, IF THEY COULD BE SALVAGED AS WELL.
THERE ARE WINDOWS AND DOORS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE REUSABLE FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION, BUT IF THERE ARE ONES THAT ARE IN DECENT SHAPE, WE'D LOVE TO AGAIN SEE THEM MAYBE REUSED AS PART OF THE DECOR OR OTHERWISE DONATED TO HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OR SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS OR A SALVAGE COMPANY SO THAT THEY DON'T GO TO WASTE. AND THEN FINALLY, THERE IS SOME SIDING ON THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.
THAT SIDING, SOME OF IT IS IN PRETTY DECENT SHAPE.
WE THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD PRODUCT TO USE TO REPLICATE THE EXISTING SLIDING KNOT, NOT TO REUSE IT ON THE EXTERIOR, BUT TO USE THE FORM BECAUSE IT'S NOT DETERIORATED LIKE THE EXTERIOR SIDING.
SO IT'S EASIER TO REPLICATE. BUT IF THERE IS SOME OF THAT, THAT AGAIN, COULD BE REUSED AS PART OF THE DECOR, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. AND IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING SIDING BECAUSE IT'S MOUNTED DIRECTLY TO THE STUDS.
THERE IS NO SHEATHING. SO THAT'S ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THE DETERIORATION.
BUT IT'S EVERY TWO BOARDS ARE ACTUALLY ONE PIECE.
AND FIND OUT THAT THAT'S CALLED A DOUBLE OGEE SIDING.
AND IT WAS PRETTY COMMON IN THE LATE 19TH, EARLY 20TH CENTURY.
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AND THERE'S DIFFERENT PROFILES. OBVIOUSLY THIS ONE IS NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT BUT KIND OF INTERESTING THAT THAT'S PART OF THE CHARACTER.AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANTED TO MENTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STEPS IS THAT AGAIN, YOU GO TO THE LOWEST LEVEL OF THE HOUSE AND YOU COULD CLEARLY SEE THE BEDROCK THAT'S SITTING ON TOP OF, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S ALL COBBLED TOGETHER ALSO TO SUPPORT THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE.
AND SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE EXCAVATED WITH THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION, AS WE'LL EXPLAIN IN A MINUTE, SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE BETTER SPACE FOR STORAGE AND FOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT FOR A RESTAURANT.
I TRIED TO SEE WHERE THOSE MIGHT BE RELATIVE TO THE NEW LOCATION OF THE THE STRUCTURE.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ROTATE THAT AND MOVE IT BACK A LITTLE BIT.
SO THAT ACTUALLY PUSHES IT PUSHES THE STAIRS, WHICH YOU SEE IN GRAY BACK INTO THE MECHANICAL ROOM.
AND SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S DOABLE. BUT AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE EXACT LOCATION AND AND ROTATION OF THE BUILDING, WE'D LIKE TO AT LEAST EXPLORE THE IDEA OF A BEST FAITH EFFORT TO TRY TO PRESERVE THOSE OR OTHERWISE SEEING IF THEY COULD BE REUSED SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO WITH THAT, AS MUCH AS IT PAINS ME.
CRITERIA FOR DEMOLITION. THEY'RE BASED ON THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
THEY'RE BASED ON WHETHER THERE IS OTHER USES THAT HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATED.
THEY'RE BASED ON WHETHER THE SITUATION WAS CREATED BY THE APPLICANT OR NOT.
AND SO THAT'S MOSTLY WHAT WE'VE WE'RE USING TO SUPPORT THE FACT THAT THIS DOES MEET THE CRITERIA FOR DEMOLITION. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION.
WE HAVE A FEW CONDITIONS REGARDING THOSE MATERIALS THAT I'LL GET TO IN A MINUTE.
SO THE CODE ALSO TALKS ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING DEMOLITION.
TYPICALLY YOU DON'T APPROVE DEMOLITIONS UNTIL THERE'S A RECONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVED.
AND THE INTENT IS TYPICALLY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE RARE OCCASIONS WHERE THE RECONSTRUCTION IS INTENDED TO REPLICATE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND SO WANTED TO GO THROUGH THAT, BUT WANTED TO POSTPONE ACTION ON THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL DETAILS TO BE WORKED AT.
WE FELT THAT HOPEFULLY WHAT WE'LL SHARE WILL GIVE YOU A COMFORT LEVEL IN TERMS OF WHAT THE INTENT FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION IS, SO THAT YOU CAN BASE THE DECISION ON DEMOLITION ON ON THAT.
BUT THEN WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH THOSE DETAILS NEXT MONTH.
SO WHAT YOU SEE IN RED IS THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT.
IT'S IT NARROWS BACK TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A RECTANGULAR FORM THAT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT USE OF THE SPACE AND ROTATE IT SO IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, PARALLEL TO THE SIDEWALK AND AND PUSHED BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT.
AND THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE THE CEILING HEIGHT SO THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT FOR THE RESTAURANT AND INCLUDE EXCAVATION AS WE TALKED TO ACCOMMODATE THE MECHANICAL ROOM AND ALSO THE STORAGE NEEDS. SO THAT ENDS UP RESULTING IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE BEING INCREASED FROM WHAT YOU SAW LAST YEAR.
TECHNICALLY, THERE IS A 3500 SQUARE FOOT LIMIT ON THE SIZE OF A RESTAURANT IN THE HISTORIC CORE DISTRICT, UNLESS THE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE BOARD.
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SO THE BOARD HAD ACCEPTED 4600FT² LAST YEAR. THIS INCREASES IT TO 800FT², BUT ALL OF THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS REALLY WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING.IT'S WHERE IT'S BEING EXCAVATED, INCLUDING SOME SPACE UNDERNEATH THAT PAVILION ADDITION.
SO IN TERMS OF OCCUPANCY OR PARKING OR ANY OTHER IMPACTS, IT WOULD NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT.
SO. THEN THE OTHER TWO LEVELS ARE GENERALLY THE SAME AS WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED BEFORE.
SO IT'S A IT HAD BEEN COBBLED TOGETHER. SO THERE ARE A FEW CHANGES THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU, INCLUDING THE ONES THAT I MENTIONED THAT WE WERE PLANNING ON APPROVING ADMINISTRATIVELY.
THERE'S ALSO A MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BE WALKING THROUGH THE SOUTH WALL AND THROUGH THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING, AGAIN TO ACCOMMODATE THE KITCHEN HOOD. THEY WILL BE PRESENTING THOSE DETAILS NEXT MONTH AS WELL.
AND THEN SOME REFINEMENTS TO THE PAVILION ADDITION.
PERHAPS THE ROOF PITCH MIGHT INCREASE, WHICH WOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH CODE REQUIREMENTS.
SO WANTED TO AGAIN JUST SHARE THAT THE OVERALL CHARACTER WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
AND STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE APPROACH TO THAT.
WE. BUT WE WOULD RECOMMEND POSTPONING ACTION ON THAT.
SO I MENTIONED THE CRITERIA FOR DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK STRUCTURE.
I CAN GO BACK TO THEM IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS.
THE PART THAT WE'RE RELYING ON THE MOST IS THE MAINTENANCE PROVISION AND THE DANGEROUS CONDITION, AND THE CERTIFICATION BY THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL.
IT'S JUST RECONSTRUCTION OF THE STRUCTURE. AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE FIVE CONDITIONS THAT YOU SEE, AGAIN, PERTAINING TO SALVAGING ANY MATERIALS THAT MIGHT BE REUSABLE, AND THEN RECOMMENDING POSTPONING ACTION ON THE RECONSTRUCTION UNTIL THE OCTOBER MEETING. WOULD THAT BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY THOROUGH FOR EVERYBODY.
AND I THINK THAT GIVES A GOOD OVERVIEW. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR FOR STAFF.
YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INCREASE IN THE HEIGHT.
IT IT REALLY IS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT SINKS BELOW THE STREET.
SO I THINK THAT MAKES UP FOR IT. AND I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE PERCEPTIBLE.
JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE'S A MAXIMUM HEIGHT BACK FOR FOR IN THAT DISTRICT THERE IS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT, WHICH IS INTERESTING IN THIS CASE BECAUSE WE IT'S UNUSUAL TO HAVE SOMETHING SITTING ON A SLOPE.
SO THE REAR WILL DEFINITELY EXCEED THAT HEIGHT IF YOU MEASURE IT FROM THE BACK.
SO THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE. EITHER WAY.
THE FRONT I DON'T THINK WOULD EXCEED THE HEIGHT, BUT THAT'LL NEED A WAIVER, RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TO DO IT ON THE, ON THE ON THE PROPERTIES IN THE SOUTH.
RIGHT. SO I MEAN, NOW THAT THEY'RE RECONSTRUCTING IT, SOME OF THAT WILL BE NEED TO HAVE OTHER, OTHER DISCUSSION. I DON'T BELIEVE WE CALLED IT A WAIVER LAST TIME BECAUSE OF THE GREAT CHANGE RELATIVE TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS DEVELOPED, MEANING THE FRONTAGE ALONG THE STREET.
BOTH THIS BUILDING AND THE NEW BUILDING MET THE HIGH STANDARDS, AND WE EXPLAINED IN THE REPORT, WITHOUT CALLING IT A WAIVER, THAT THE BACK IS A RESULT OF THE SLOPE.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT WILL CHANGE WITH THIS ONE.
YEAH. IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU'RE NOT REQUIRING REQUESTING THE ARCHED WINDOW BE PLACED BACK WHERE IT IS, AS OPPOSED TO JUST SUGGESTING IT BE USED SOMEWHERE? THE UP UNTIL I FOUND OUT THAT THE ARCHED WINDOW WAS ACTUALLY SALVAGED FROM THE SITE.
FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, IT ALWAYS FELT ODD ON THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE ARCHITECTURALLY.
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TRADITIONAL TO THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE. I THINK PART OF THE REASON WHY WE DID NOT CHANGE THAT RECOMMENDATION NOW IS BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROBABLY DOUBLE PANE AND MORE WEATHER RESISTANT, AND THAT WOULD ENTAIL CHANGES TO THE WINDOW TO MAKE IT THAT TO TO ADD A SECOND PANE.IF YOU'RE SIMPLY PAINTING IT AND RETAINING IT, IT'S ONE THING.
YEAH, I'M JUST THINKING IT'S NOT NECESSARILY MY FAVORITE WINDOW EITHER, BUT IT'S KIND OF THE QUIRKINESS OF THE, BUILDING THAT MAYBE ADDS THAT CHARACTER, SAME AS MAYBE THE OFFSET NATURE OF THE BUILDING THE WAY IT IT IS NOW, AS OPPOSED TO LINING IT UP. I MEAN, I GET THAT THAT FEELS GOOD.
AND I WILL ALSO LET THE APPLICANT WEIGH IN ON THAT.
I THINK WE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE OPPOSED TO IT NOW THAT WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT ITS HISTORY, BUT WELL, AND I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION. IS IT IS IT POSSIBLE OR REASONABLY PRACTICAL TO ACTUALLY RESET THE STONE IN THE CHIMNEY, ESSENTIALLY AS IT IS NOW, AS OPPOSED TO JUST SALVAGING IT AND REUSING IT? I DON'T KNOW THAT, WILL. AND AGAIN, I'LL DEFER A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY KNOW UNTIL THEY START REMOVING IT BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO BE INSTALLED ON TOP OF THE BRICK. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THICK OR THIN THAT STONE IS AND HOW EASILY SALVAGEABLE.
SO WHILE WE PUT ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS THERE WITH THE REALIZATION THAT AS THEY START WORKING ON IT.
LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY, WE FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY THAT THOSE ITEMS SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE REALISTIC THAT IF IN THE PROCESS OF REMOVING THEM AND THAT THEY SHATTER OR THEY'RE NOT SALVAGEABLE, AND THERE IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT THAT'S NOT USABLE, THEN WE'LL WE MAY COME BACK TO YOU NEXT MONTH WITH A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION.
SO BUT FOR ME. FROM THE, I THINK FOR ME, THIS, IF YOU GO TO THE WITH THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, BECAUSE FROM THAT IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THAT REALLY TAKES PRECEDENT OVER THE THE CODE WHERE WE HAVE THE THE DEMO CRITERIA, RIGHT. IT SAYS THIS DOES NOT WHERE WE HAVE NOTHING IN THIS CHAPTER SHALL BE CONSTRUED. SO CHAPTER 153 SHALL BE CONSTRUED TO PREVENT THIS OR IF IT'S UNSAFE.
SO IF I READ THAT RIGHT, I MEAN, THIS REALLY SAYS HE SAYS IT'S UNSAFE.
I THINK THE APPLICANT'S ARCHITECT SAYS IT'S UNSAFE.
THIS TAKES HAVING THE OTHER CRITERION MET, I THINK IS IS ALSO A GOOD BACKGROUND.
BUT I THINK FOR ME TAKES PRECEDENT THAT YOU CAN'T SALVAGE IT.
YEAH. I MEAN, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, THAT'S I MEAN, YOU SEE THIS AS KIND OF THE PRECEDENT SETTING AND THE OTHER THE THIS TAKES PRECEDENT AND THE OTHER STUFF IS OKAY. IT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S.
TO REBUILD IT AND DO IT WOULD BE A WOULD BE AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE INTERRELATED BECAUSE, YES, I THINK THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF IT.
THE REASON I SAY THEY'RE INTERRELATED IS BECAUSE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY DO SOMETHING TO SALVAGE THE BUILDING, BUT IT WOULD BE AT GREAT EXPENSE AND DOING SOME SOME EXTRAORDINARY THINGS TO WORK AROUND THE CONDITIONS.
HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T COME UP AGAIN. BUT I THINK THIS IS FOR ME IS, IS, IS CLEAR.
IF WE SAY YES, AND THEN WE DON'T APPROVE OF THE FINAL DESIGN.
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I MEAN, WHAT'S THE MECHANISM TO SAY BECAUSE IN J G DEMO SHALL NOT UNTIL THERE'S AN ANTICIPATED.JUST HOW DO WE RECONCILE THAT SENTENCE IN THE CODE.
SO TO GO FORWARD, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO LOOK AT THE INTENT OF THE CODE IN THIS INSTANCE, BECAUSE THE BOARD HAD ALREADY APPROVED THE PLAN THAT SHOWED THE OVERALL BUILDING REMAINING. AND IT'S CLEAR THAT THE INTENT IS TO REPLICATE THE BUILDING TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT. GOING BACK TO THE INTENT OF THE CODE, IS SO THAT YOU HAVE A COMFORT LEVEL THAT IF YOU'RE APPROVING A DEMOLITION, THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING IN RETURN. SO, SO I BELIEVE THE FACT THAT THE BOARD HAD APPROVED BEFORE, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T DEMOLITION, BUT YOU HAD AN IDEA OF WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.
AND THIS IS AMENDING THE APPROVED PLAN TO REPLACE THE STRUCTURE WITH AN IDENTICAL ONE.
OKAY. I FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THE INTENT OF THE CODE IS MET, AND THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE BETTER TO POSTPONE THAT SO THAT YOU CAN VERIFY THAT THOSE DETAILS ARE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK HERE IT'S I MEAN, OKAY, IF IT COMES OUT THE SAME.
RIGHT. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S RELATIVELY BLACK AND WHITE IN THE CODE.
I SEE THE, THE INTENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOMETHING THAT WE.
SO. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT. MY QUESTION WAS PARKING, BUT I'M SURE THAT THAT WAS FIGURED OUT PRIOR TO ME JOINING THIS BOARD.
SO I'M GOING TO TRUST THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE.
YEAH. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF THAT WAS A VERY HEATED DISCUSSION, I WOULD SAY.
WELL, IT'S AN INTERESTING SITUATION IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE IT'S ON A CLIFF AND I THINK ABOUT LOADING AND WHERE ARE PEOPLE? HOW ARE PEOPLE ENTERING AND EXITING? HOW ARE YOU TAKING TRASH OUT? BUT THAT WAS REALLY MY QUESTION. SO. SO VERY BRIEFLY, WHEN ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS, WHEN THEY CAME IN FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS TO PRESENT A PARKING PLAN, AND THERE ARE CRITERIA IN THE CODE FOR WHAT THAT ENTAILS AND DISTANCES FROM ADJACENT PARKING AND SO FORTH.
SO BE GLAD TO SHARE THOSE. BUT YES, ALL OF THOSE WERE THOROUGHLY DISCUSSED.
IF YOU GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE, YOU CAN SEE THE URL THERE AT THE BOTTOM.
GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE? MAYBE THE APPLICANT, IF THEY WANT TO COME UP AND GIVE ANY COMMENTS ON ANYTHING WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND FOR ME, I WILL BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU'RE HERE WHEN WE SWORE EVERYBODY IN.
IS THAT TRUE? LET ME SWEAR YOU IN REAL QUICK.
IF YOU CAN RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. AND DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THE BOARD? YES. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR US.
HI, MY NAME IS MATT DAVIS. I'M THE CO-FOUNDER, CEO OF COACH AND THE DEVELOPER OF RIVERVIEW VILLAGE.
SO THANK YOU FOR REVIEWING THIS. AND I THINK WE'VE AS COACHES, WE HAVE BUILT 35 BUILDINGS, 33 HAVE BEEN HISTORIC RESTORATIONS, THREE, FOUR OF THEM ON THIS PROPERTY, HISTORIC RESTORATIONS, AND IT IS KIND OF OUR JOY TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
SO WE'RE SORRY WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE IT ON THIS BUILDING.
WE PLAN TO DO UNBELIEVABLE WORK ON THE OTHER THREE.
THERE'S NO DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, DREAM TO, TO DO THAT.
BUT I HOPE THE REASON WE WANTED TO RESTORE IT IS BECAUSE WE LOVED IT.
AND WE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THE CROWN JEWEL ON THAT CORNER.
AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO PUSHBACK AT ALL. WE ACTUALLY WANT TO BUILD IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
THE COST OF THE PROJECTS ARE DOUBLE WHAT WE THOUGHT.
IT'S OUTRAGEOUS. SO GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF SHIFT THE SHAPE A LITTLE BIT TO BACK TO SQUARE, RAISE IT UP A LITTLE BIT, GET IT BACK, AND THEN ALSO BE ABLE TO PUT A FULL KITCHEN IN IT INSTEAD OF A PARTIAL KITCHEN ALLOWS US TO ACTUALLY MAKE A BETTER PUBLIC RESTAURANT FOR THE FUTURE ANYWAY. SO THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME POSITIVES WITH IT.
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TO TIME THIS, TO GET THIS DOWN, SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING ON THE PROJECT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. BUT THE BEST WE WILL USE OUR BEST EFFORT TO DO MANY THINGS.I'M A LITTLE BIT THERE'S SOME STATEMENTS THAT BASSEM PUT IN THERE.
I WOULD LIKE A FEW WORDS CHANGE, LIKE WILL USE THE WORD LIKE FINITE WILL USE THE STONE.
LIKE BEST EFFORT TO USE THE STONE IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, WE GOT TO TAKE THEM OFF.
WE GOT TO CUT THEM. WE GOT TO MAKE THEM INTO VENEER. WE GOT TO PUT IT BACK. WE GOT TO DO A THING AND A THING. RIGHT? SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING. I THINK WE MEET TOO MUCH, TOO MUCH WITH BASSEM. SO IT'S LIKE WE'LL BE WORKING HAND IN HAND, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS TO USE BEST EFFORTS TO TRY TO DO THOSE THINGS.
BUT MAKING THEM NOT SO FINITE IF WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
SOME OF THOSE OLD STONE I WOULD LIKE TO BE MODIFIED SLIGHTLY.
OTHER THAN THAT, I AGREE WITH. US TRYING OUR BEST TO DO THAT.
THE WINDOW IN THE FRONT. WHEN YOU SPEND $3.5 MILLION IN NEW BUILD, PUTTING ONE PIECE OF A WINDOW PANE GLASS LEAD BACK IN IT, KIND OF I'M LIKE, HEY, CAN WE ACTUALLY JUST DO IT THE RIGHT WAY AND FINISH IT OFF AND MAKE IT RIGHT? YOU COULD TRY TO USE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT I DON'T KNOW, A LOT OF INTERIOR DECORS THAT ARE RANDOM CALLED RANDOM WINDOWS EVERYWHERE.
SO WE GOT TO, WE GOT TO MAKE THIS A VERY HIGH END STYLISH THING.
SO WE COULD MAYBE TRY TO USE IT IN THE RUINS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE IN A MEETING ROOM, ONE OF THE OLD HOUSES. BUT IT'S NOT AS EASY AS PEOPLE THINK TO TRY TO PUT THINGS BACK IN A HIGH END. NICE CONCEPT. BUT OVERALL I'M THANK YOU FOR.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. OKAY.
WELL, FIRST THING THANKS. I THINK I'M OKAY. I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU'VE ALREADY STARTED.
AND TO START AGAIN IS PRETTY PAINFUL. SO WE APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT.
BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. DAVIS OR THE ARCHITECT IN GENERAL? MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S ARCHITECTURAL QUESTIONS.
BUT DO YOU EXPECT THE, THE, THE WHERE THE THRESHOLD OF THE DOOR IS? DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO COME UP A FEW FEET POTENTIALLY? I MEAN, AS YOU THINK ABOUT RAISING ALL THE LEVELS, DO YOU EXPECT THAT LEVEL TO COME ABOVE WHERE THE KIND OF WHERE THE GRADE WILL BE NOW? TIM COULD ANSWER IN MORE DETAIL. I MEAN, IT'S WHAT, TWO MAX.
IT'S TWO FEET TOTAL, SPREAD OUT ACROSS TWO FLOORS.
THE BUILDING COMES UP TWO FEET. SO IT'S LIKE YOU WON'T ACTUALLY KNOW IT.
WELL, I WAS JUST SAYING IS YOU DO HAVE A AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY THROUGH THAT, THAT IT WOULD HELP IF IT WAS UP A LITTLE BIT. THE HARDEST PART THEY WORKED. THEY DID A LOT OF WORK TO MAKE THE LANDINGS OF THE PUBLIC STAIRCASE HAD TO MATCH ALL THE FLOORS, A CERTAIN RAMP SLOPES, RIGHT. I MEAN, IT WASN'T THE EASIEST THING FOR THEM TO MATCH BACK UP, BUT YEAH, IT SHOULD BE.
IT SHOULD BE BETTER OFF ALSO. I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE TO WATCHING.
I'M IN THE CURRENT COACH BUILDING AND IT'S BEEN RAINING A DECENT AMOUNT HERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF WATER THAT GOES DOWN ON A HILL. YEAH.
KEEPING WATER AWAY FROM THAT BUILDING IS IMPORTANT, RIGHT? SO ACTUALLY GETTING IT IN A POSITION THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, MOVING WATER AWAY, ALL THE DIFFERENT SEWER STUFF WE'RE DOING IS IMPORTANT, BUT ACTUALLY HAVING A POSITION THE RIGHT WAY GIVES ME COMFORT FOR THAT. THE INVESTMENT WILL LAST A LONG TIME. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, I THINK.
OKAY. MAYBE ON OUR SIDE. ANYBODY ANY THOUGHTS HERE? I, I ONLY A COUPLE OF THINGS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT COMES UP AND DOES ANYBODY SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE GETTING BIGGER.
OKAY. SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S GOOD. IF YOU COULD PUT THE CONDITIONS BACK UP, MAYBE JUST A.
AND JUST ON OUR SIDE, EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THE, WE'LL VOTE ON THEM IF IT GOES FORWARD THAT IT'S THAT IT THAT WE'RE CLEAR THE INTENT OF THE OF THE APPLICANT IS OKAY INSIDE OF THE INTENT OF THE OF THE CODE.
THE INTENT THAT IT IT'S URGENT THAT IT BE DEMOLISHED BECAUSE IT'S UNSAFE.
YOU MEAN THE INTENT IS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE A DEMO TILL WE HAVE A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN? I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE A CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO LOOK THE SAME AS IT DID.
BUT BUT GENERALLY YOU WOULDN'T APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN UNTIL IT WAS DONE, UNTIL THAT WAS DONE.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT. YEAH.
I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT. YEAH. THAT'S FINE.
YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK, AS BASHAM SAID, I THINK IT'S INSIDE OF THE INTENT OF THE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, OF THE CODE. AND THEY'RE PRETTY FAR DOWN THE PATH.
YEAH I AGREE. OKAY. I WAS ALSO I ALSO AGREE ABOUT THE STATEMENT FOR THE FIRST ONE TOO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TIME TO GO THROUGH THOSE, BUT ANY, ANY, ANY, JUST ANYTHING ELSE AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM.
NO, JUST MAKE SURE ANYTHING ANYBODY SEES DIFFERENTLY FROM AT LEAST CONCEPTUALLY, WHAT WHAT THE ARCHITECT IS SHOWING TO THE CITY AND KIND OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. SO HERE ON THE ON THE CONDITIONS.
SO THE FIRST ONE, FOUNDATION STONE WALLS AND THOSE ARE THE ONES AT THE SOUTH SIDE, LOWER LEVEL, THEY'RE SITTING ALONG THE THOSE ARE THE ONES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
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THEY'RE RIGHT NOW ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES.OTHER ON THE NORTH SIDE. OKAY. AND ONE THING I WOULD SAY JUST TO THE STATE, WE WANTED TO WORD IT THIS WAY BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THOSE ITEMS ARE IMPORTANT TO US AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOLITION.
BUT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IF THEY START IN THE PROCESS.
SO WE WANTED THEM TO TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THEY WILL.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WORDED IT THIS WAY. OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO YOU IF DURING THE PROCESS OF DEMOLITION, THOSE ITEMS, ESPECIALLY THE THE FIRST ONE, THE ONES WITH THE CORE AND OTHER THINGS, I THINK WE PROVIDED OPTIONS THAT THOSE COULD BE DONATED OR OTHERWISE, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE CRITICAL, THE STONE AND THE CRITICAL ITEMS, OBVIOUSLY, IF THEY FIND OUT WHEN THEY WERE DEMOLISHING THEM THAT IT'S NOT WORKABLE, THEY'RE COMING BACK TO YOU AND WE CAN ADJUST THOSE AT THAT TIME.
YEAH, YEAH. I THINK WE AS A BOARD JUST UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT THAT THAT'S THE INTENTION.
AS YOU PRESENT IT, BASSEM, AND THE BEST EFFORT WILL BE MADE TO ACHIEVE THESE, THESE POINTS AS WILL GO THROUGH AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY MAY NOT ALL BE ABLE TO BE MET.
I THINK I CAN SAY THAT FOR MYSELF. I ASSUME THAT THE OTHERS AGREE FOR ME, JUST FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, IF LET'S SAY THEY COME AND FUND, THEY TAKE THIS, JUST SAY THEY TAKE THE STONES OFF AND ALL OF THEM BREAK AND IT'S A CONDITION. THEN WE'LL JUST COME BACK AND WE'LL NEXT MONTH WE'LL COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, IF IF THE ARCHITECT SAYS, YEAH, THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO USE THEM. AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE A GOOD FAITH DISCUSSION.
HOW DO WE EVEN NEED TO DO THAT? OR CAN'T THAT BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY? I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY OBVIOUS IF YOU'RE WORKING WITH THEM.
AND IT'S YEAH, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF THEY'RE TAKING THEM APART AND THEY FALL APART, WE'LL, WE'LL COLLABORATE ON THAT. AND WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR THE ACTUAL APPROVAL, BECAUSE THOSE WOULDN'T APPLY UNTIL THEY'RE BUILDING SOMETHING.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE PLANS.
AND AT THAT POINT, WE WILL HAVE KNOWN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES ACTUALLY GOING BACK TO THE INTENT OF THE REQUIREMENT IS WE'LL KNOW BY THEN WHETHER THOSE ARE USABLE OR NOT. AND SO POSTPONING THAT ACTION, THAT'S ONE MORE REASON THAT FOR ME, I'M FULLY OKAY.
I MEAN, AT THE END, TRYING TO USE THEM, THE CITY WILL DETERMINE WITH THE ARCHITECT OR THE, THE ARCHITECT OR BUILDER TO SAY WHETHER THEY CAN BE REUSED OR NOT.
SO. FOUNDATION STONE TO BE SALVAGED AND REUSED.
EVERYBODY. AND MAYBE JUST FROM THE. FROM MAYBE JUST FOR ME.
WE'D LIKE YOU TO REUSE THEM. IF YOU COME BACK NEXT MONTH AND SAY THAT THAT WAS A MAJOR PROBLEM.
I MEAN, I THINK WE, THE CITY AND WE THE BOARD ARE OPEN TO SAYING, OKAY, IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T WORK.
I AGREE. I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. JUST EVERYTHING SOUNDS REALLY LET'S TAKE THEM ALL DOWN.
AND I'D BE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, HOW ABOUT TAKING A LOOK AT IT? WE SEE HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY PULL THIS OFF. IT'S $14 MILLION.
I'D BE LIKE. PROBABLY NOT. RIGHT. SO IT'S JUST I HATE IT'S SO OVER BUDGET AS IT IS.
I HATE COMMITTING TO THINGS THAT I'M UNCERTAIN OF A PROCESSES.
AND THERE'S TONS OF OLD STONES EVERYWHERE THAT ARE BEING REUSED IN THE PROJECT.
SO WE WILL DO OUR BEST AND I'M HAPPY TO. LIKE I SAID, WE'LL WORK THROUGH IT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT AS EASY AS IT SEEMS AND IT'S NOT FREE. I GET THAT. SO MAYBE, I MEAN, FROM A BOARD, I MEAN, SALVAGED AND REUSED WHERE POSSIBLE OR AS POSSIBLE, IF THAT COULD BE MORE. I KNOW FROM THE CITY BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN THERE LOOKING AT IF THEY'RE POSSIBLE OR NOT.
RIGHT. AND HELPING THEM MAKE A DETERMINATION.
I WOULD JUST ADD THAT IF WE COULD PUT IN GOOD CONDITION, RIGHT, SO THAT THE FOUNDATION WALL STONES IN GOOD CONDITION OR USABLE CONDITION OR SOME KIND OF LIKE TERMINOLOGY AROUND THAT, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I'M, I'M OPEN TO TRYING TO MAKE IT. SO AS YOU SAY, WE WANT TO KIND OF PUSH YOU TO USE THEM, BUT WE KNOW THAT IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND WHERE THAT WHERE THEY TRYING TO ELIMINATE THE GRAY AREA SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH, BUT, BUT IN GOOD CONDITION AND REUSED WHERE POSSIBLE WHEN AS POSSIBLE.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, IF SO, LET'S SAY IT TURNS OUT THAT THEY'RE NOT THE FOUNDATION STONES AREN'T USABLE AT ALL.
STILL GOING TO HAVE A BLOCK OR POURED FOUNDATION FOR THE NEW BUILDING.
AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE A VENEER OF WHAT THE SAME COLUMBUS LIMESTONE OVER IT, JUST NEW.
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THIS IS TIM LIE WITH TIM LIE ARCHITECT. SO YES, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS YES, WE INTEND TO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACROSS THE STREET ON, ON NORTH STREET IT'S BASICALLY A THIN STONE THAT WE WOULD PUT ON TOP OF THE FOUNDATION.SO THE FOUNDATION WILL BE A CONCRETE FOUNDATION SO THAT IT STRUCTURALLY WOULD BE STABLE AND SOUND.
AND THEN WE'LL PUT THE STONE VENEER ON, ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT FOUNDATION WALL.
YEAH, I DON'T. I MEAN, IT WOULD. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE EXISTING COACH BUILDING, BUT THIS STONE IS THE TYPICAL COLUMBUS LIMESTONE QUARRIED SLAB KIND OF ROCK THAT YOU SEE IN THE STONE WALLS.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE REPLICATED THAT THAT APPEARANCE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
IF YOU CAN'T USE THE OLD STONE. IS THAT THE BASIC IDEA? RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE STONE, WE BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY FROM ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM HERE. YEAH. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ANYMORE.
SO YOU KNOW, BUT WE WOULD WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, THE SUPPLIERS TO GET AT THE CLOSEST, YOU KNOW, COLORATIONS AND TEXTURES AND SHAPE OBVIOUSLY TO AND THERE'S PLENTY OF OPTIONS OUT THERE FOR, FOR STONE VENEER. SO I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT FINDING SOMETHING THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE CLOSE.
I WANT IT TO LOOK OLD AND AUTHENTIC AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE'RE ALL ALIGNED WITH USING THE STONES IF I CAN.
THAT JUST LOOKS VERY FINITE, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT I'LL USE OUR BEST EFFORT WITH BASSEM TO TRY TO USE THEM REASONABLY, IF NOT MATCH THEM AS CLOSE AS I CAN TO MAKE IT LOOK AUTHENTIC AS POSSIBLE.
I JUST THAT'S FOR ME. AT LEAST FOR ME. I'M CLEAR.
AND IF AND IF USING THE WORD COULD, I THINK THEN GIVES US SOME.
IT GIVES YOU SOMETHING THAT SOME OF THEM CAN'T. RIGHT. OKAY.
MR. LIVE WIRE, I MEAN, THE, THE THE, THE CHIMNEY, IT'S THE SAME, RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK CHANGING THAT BECAUSE I THINK AS YOU SAID, HASHEM, THOSE ARE PROBABLY THIN STUCK ON.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW EASY THAT IS TO TAKE THEM OFF.
BUT, BUT THAT COULD ALSO THAT MIGHT RUN INTO SOME OTHER CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW.
YOU SAW ORIGINALLY IT'S ACTUALLY BRICK. IT'S BRICK.
YEAH. SO, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE ORIGINAL STONE.
I LIKE THE STONE BECAUSE IT MATCHES PERFECTLY THE OTHER STONE.
NOW WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU APPROVE DEMOLITION, THEY'LL BE OUT THERE TOMORROW TAKING OFF A FEW STONES SO WE COULD ACTUALLY SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND LOOKING AT IT. RIGHT. SO WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION.
BUT WE WANT THAT CHIMNEY. THAT IS THE GROUNDING POINT OF THAT BUILDING.
IT'S LIKE THE ICONIC THING LOOKING DOWN THE STREET. SO WE WANT IT TO LOOK AMAZING, RIGHT? A BRAND NEW THING IS NOT GOING TO LOOK GOOD. SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THEM LOOK USE OLD STONES AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT THEY ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE FOUNDATIONS.
YEAH. AND THEN I GUESS THAT'LL BE A BIT OF A NEGOTIATION BETWEEN, BUT BETWEEN YOU AND THE CITY.
JUST WHICH ONES CAN'T IF THEY CAN OR CAN'T BE.
YEP. IS THAT OKAY SO FAR? THOSE TWO OKAY FOR YOU? YEAH. OKAY. THE ARCHED WINDOW FRONT FACADE OF SALVAGE REUSED AS PART OF THE INTERIOR DECOR.
HOW DO PEOPLE THAT'S EVERYBODY SEE ON THAT? ANYBODY? IT'S IT'S NOT A HILL I DIE ON. FROM A HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE, IT WAS PLACED THERE BY TOM BASSETT IN THAT BUILDING. IT CAME FROM THE BUILDING THAT THE, THE REMAINS OF THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR.
IT WOULD BE IT'S QUIRKY. I DON'T SEE ANY NEED FOR IT TO BE IN THE SAME PLACE IT IS NOW.
IT WASN'T BEFORE TOM RENOVATED IT. IT'D BE NEAT IF IT COULD BE FOUND TO BE PLACED SOMEWHERE.
I IMAGINE, ON THE INSIDE OF THE NEW BUILDING.
IT JUST SHOWS KIND OF THE CHARACTER OF DUBLIN AND WHAT IT HAD BEEN AND WHAT THIS BUILDING IS.
AND SPEAKING TO THAT MORE THAN WHAT TOM DID WITH THAT IS THE FORMER.
I LOVE THE HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTURAL STUDY DONE BY WHAT IS M, H T, H AND T AND THE COUPLE THAT HAD OWNED THAT THAT WERE ARTISTS. IT JUST BRINGS THAT TO MIND TO ME THAT THEY, THEY WERE KIND OF QUIRKY AND THEY DID SOME NEAT ARTISTIC STUFF WITH THAT, WITH THE HOUSE. SO WHEN I THINK OF THAT WINDOW AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I WOULD INSIST BE USED IF THEY CAN FIND SOME
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WAY IN THE DECOR, PROBABLY TO IMPLEMENT THAT PERHAPS WITH THAT.COUPLE FROM THE 1950S. I THINK THAT WOULD BE NEAT.
I MEAN, MAYBE, YEAH, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT. I THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP WAS IN THE ORIGINAL EFFORT TO RESTORE THE EXISTING BUILDING. THAT WINDOW WAS A PART OF THAT, WAS IT NOT? IT WASN'T. IT WAS NOT. IT WAS ADDED AFTERWARDS.
TOM OWNED THAT BUILDING UNTIL 1999. IT'S. WHAT'S THAT? HE OWNED THE BUILDING UNTIL 1999. I FORGET WHEN HE BOUGHT IT.
NO, I'M NOT SAYING THE WINDOW WAS ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING. I'M SAYING WHAT YOU GUYS APPROVED.
WAS THAT WINDOW PART OF THAT ORIGINAL APPROVAL DESIGN? IT WAS NOT. NO. OKAY. NO. WELL, THEN THAT'S THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
SO THAT'S FINE. YEAH. IF YOU. YEAH. I'M OKAY WITH HOW THAT ONE'S WRITTEN.
IT JUST IT GIVES ME ENOUGH LEEWAY ON THE DEVELOPMENT SITE.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, I JUST WHEN WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED THE INTERIOR OF A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR RESTAURANT, I HATE TO LET MY LET MY DESIGNERS DESIGN THINGS.
WE SAY SOMEWHERE ON THE PREMISE THAT GIVES ME ENOUGH BANDWIDTH TO PLAY WITH, RIGHT? TO FIND SOMETHING. SO I'M FINE WITH HOW THAT ONE'S WRITTEN. GOOD. JUST FOR FOR REFERENCE. JUST TO CLEAR THAT. SO WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR.
SO. GOOD. AND THEN THE LAST TWO WERE ABOUT WINDOWS AND DOORS IN GOOD SHAPE.
I FORGET WHAT IT WAS. SALVAGE ANY WINDOWS AND DOORS.
I MEAN FOR ME IT'S GOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, THE STONE STEPS.
I THAT'S MORE OF AN ARCHITECTURAL. BECAUSE I'M GUESSING THEY'LL NEVER BE SAFE AND THEY'LL NEVER BE.
THE STEPS. GOOD FAITH. MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT.
THANK YOU. OKAY, GOOD. ANYBODY HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS? YEAH. I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT MASS. I'M NOT CONCERNED FROM WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS. THEIR INTENTION IS TO CREATE A MUCH BIGGER BUILDING THAN WE HAVE NOW.
JUST GOOD. OKAY. SO WE WANT TO MAKE WE'LL MAKE A MOTION HERE.
OH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? THERE HASN'T BEEN. OKAY. GOOD. SO OKAY, WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION FOR SURE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR CASE NUMBER 26057 ARB DEMO.
FOR APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION LANDMARK WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT FOUNDATION WALLS THAT COULD BE SALVAGED BE REUSED AS A VENEER ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE NEW FOUNDATION WALLS THAT THE STONE ON THE FRONT CHIMNEY, IF IT COULD BE SALVAGED BE REUSED IN THE NEW REPLICA CHIMNEY.
THREE THAT THE ARCHED WINDOW ON THE FRONT FACADE BE SALVAGED AND REUSED AS PART OF THE INTERIOR DECOR OR ELSEWHERE WITHIN THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT SITE. FOR THAT, ANY WINDOWS, DOORS OR INTERIOR WOOD SIDING THAT THAT ARE IN REASONABLY GOOD CONDITION BE SALVAGED AND REUSED AS PART OF THE INTERIOR DECOR OR OFFERED TO CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS OR ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE COMPANIES.
AND FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO RETAIN AND WORK AROUND THE EXISTING CARVED STONE STEPS AT THE LOWEST LEVEL OF THE STRUCTURE. OH! I'LL SECOND.
VOTE. DOCTOR. YES, MISS. SULEIMAN. YES. MR.. CARTER.
YES. MR. SEIDEL. YES. THANK YOU. GOOD. THANKS.
I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. NOW WE HAVE ONE MORE TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE NEXT ONE. SO IF WE CAN MAKE A MOTION FOR THE FOR THE POSTPONEMENT OF THE, OF THE, OF THE SECOND CASE, THE A FDP. MOTION TO POSTPONE CASE 26-058ARBAFDP TO OCTOBER 21ST. ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW REVIEW BOARD MEETING.
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I'LL SECOND. DOCTOR. YES, MR.. SEIDEL. YES, MISS.SULIMAN. YES. MR. CARTER. YES. THANK YOU. THANKS, EVERYONE.
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ANY. COMMUNICATION. I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC COMMUNICATIONS TONIGHT, BUT I DID WANT TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE TOUR.AND SO THAT WAS VERY GOOD PLANNING ON YOUR TEAM'S PART.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND FOR ME, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE WHAT'S GOING.
YOU KNOW, I WALKED DOWN THERE A LOT, BUT IT'S GOOD TO WALK WITH EVERYBODY AND PEOPLE SEE DIFFERENT THINGS. SO I THINK IT'S IT'S A WELL WORTH A COUPLE HOURS WITH THE GROUP JUST TO LOOK AND TALK AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. SO OTHERWISE, I THINK IT WAS GOOD.
AND I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE BASIM ON HIS AWARD LAST WEEK.
WELL DESERVED. SARAH, HELP REMIND ME OF THE, THE NAME OF THE AWARD.
IT'S CALLED THE STRONGEST LINK AWARD. AND IT'S FOR THE PERSON CITY EMPLOYEE WHO DEMONSTRATES THAT ABOVE AND BEYOND SPIRIT. AND BASIM HAS CERTAINLY DONE THAT WITH THIS PROJECT.
CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. WELL DESERVED AND THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP HERE.
THIS WAS WELL DONE. IT WAS EASY, QUITE EASY TO FOLLOW.
SO THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS AND I SAY WE'RE ADJOURNED. THANKS, EVERYONE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.