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AND WELCOME TO[CALL TO ORDER]
THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S WEBSITE.
PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
MY QUESTION, ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER DACCA IVIS, VOTE WITH LIBERTY.
MS. MAXWELL, WOULD YOU CALL THE RULE PLEASE? MR. ALEXANDER? HERE.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD OF TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATTING OF PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
OUR PROCEDURES THIS EVENING IS THAT STAFF AND CONSULTANTS WILL PRESENT AND DISCUSS WITH THE COMMISSION THE DRAFT METRO CENTER DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE PROPOSED ZONING APPROACH.
THERE WILL BE NO DETERMINATION MADE AT THIS MEETING.
PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE ACCEPTED AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE DISCUSSION AND COMMISSION FEEDBACK ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD TO ALLOW ALL A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS AND REFRAIN FROM REPEATING INFORMATION.
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TURN IT OVER FOR, UH, UH, STAFF TO PRESENT AS WELL AS OUR CONSULTANTS.MARTIN AND ANTHONY, WELCOME BACK.
YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO GET PERMANENT, UH, NAME TAGS, I THINK
UM, BUT I THINK BASIM, YOU'RE GONNA KICK US OFF FOR THE METRO CENTER DESIGN GUIDELINE DISCUSSION.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, WANTED TO QUICKLY GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
AND IT IS, UH, BASICALLY AN UPDATE ON THE APPROACH THAT WE'RE TAKING TO THE, UH, METRO CENTER GUIDELINES TO, UH, CARRY FORWARD THE REVITALIZATION PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AT THE END OF 2024.
UH, THE INTENT IS TO GAIN YOUR INPUT ON THE APPROACH TO THE, UH, GUIDELINES AND THE ORGANIZATION OF THE DOCUMENT AND THE OVERALL LOGIC, AND THEN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ZONING, UH, ASSOCIATED ZONING THAT WILL GO ALONG WITH THAT AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
GENERALLY, KIND IN TERMS OF A TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES FOR AN INTRODUCTION TO, AGAIN, BRING YOU UP TO DATE OR UP TO SPEED.
AND AS A REMINDER OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN THE BULK OF THE, UH, DISCUSSION THAT OUR FRIENDS FROM SUSAKI WILL, UH, GO THROUGH ARE THE, UH, DISTRICTWIDE GUIDELINES THAT APPLY TO THE, ALL THE, THE WHOLE METRO CENTER AREA, AND THEN SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR EACH CHARACTER AREA WITHIN METRO CENTER.
AND THEN ZACH WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON HOW WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING TO APPROACH THE ZONING FOR THE METRO CENTER CENTER AREA.
SO IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS TO DATE, WE'VE HAD, UH, THREE DIFFERENT WORK SESSIONS WITH CITY COUNCIL AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE REVITALIZATION PLAN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE WERE CARRYING THEIR VISION IN TERMS OF THE FOUNDATIONAL, UH, ASPECTS OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND VALIDATING THE GOALS AND, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE ARE IN THE, UH, BEGINNING OF PART TWO, WHICH IS PRESENTING THOSE GUIDELINES FOR YOU FOR FEEDBACK AND DISCUSSION.
THE INTENT IS YET THIS FALL IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF, UH, UH, MEETINGS TO BRING YOU ONES THAT ARE READY FOR HOPEFULLY FOR ACTION, WHICH WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE ZONING COMPONENT.
AND THEN COUNCIL WILL WILL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.
THE INTENT IS THAT THE GUIDELINES WOULD BECOME A CHAPTER WITHIN THE REVITALIZATION PLAN, SO THAT SOMEBODY THAT MAY BE INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING, UH, IN METRO CENTER, OR FOR ALL OF US WHO ARE, UH, GONNA BE REVIEWING THOSE PLANS, FOR THE MOST PART, HAVE ONE DOCUMENT RATHER THAN FLIPPING THROUGH MULTIPLE DOCUMENTS IN ADDITION TO THE ZONING CODE ITSELF.
SO WOULD THAT JUST, UH, A VERY BRIEF REMINDER IN TERMS OF WHERE WE WERE WITH COUNCIL, UH, REGARDING THE APPROACH TO THIS ONE.
AND WE USE THESE THREE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF
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GUIDELINES VERSUS CODE TO ILLUSTRATE WHAT WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING TO DO HERE.SO, AS YOU KNOW, THE BRITT STREET DISTRICT IS VERY CODE HEAVY.
IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, EVERY LITTLE DETAIL, INCLUDING HOW MANY BENCHES YOU NEED IN A, IN A PUBLIC OPEN SPACE.
UH, WHAT THAT RESULTS IN, UH, IS IT GIVES YOU SOME PREDICTABILITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT RELIES HEAVILY ON WAIVERS, WHICH ALWAYS, UM, END UP BEING ONCE WHAT THE PUBLIC GETS CONFUSED ABOUT THE INTENT OF WAIVERS.
AND SO, UH, WE LOOK ALSO AT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE THERE'S A MORE EVEN BALANCE BETWEEN GUIDELINES AND, AND CODES.
AND THE INTENT WITH THIS ONE, BECAUSE AS YOU'LL SEE WITH THE PLAN, THERE'S REALLY NO PREDETERMINED PARCEL LINES AT THIS POINT.
THERE IS A VISION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, IS TO BE MORE HEAVILY RELIANT ON THE INTENT STATEMENTS OF THESE CHARACTER AREAS AND THE, UH, THE GUIDELINES AND USING THE CODE FOR THE ITEMS THAT ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BE REGULATED.
AND THE CODE WOULD REFERENCE THE GUIDELINES SO THAT THEY WORK HAND IN HAND.
SO WITH THAT AS AN APPROACH, AS ALWAYS, THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS FOREMOST IN TERMS OF THE VISION FOR THE CITY, INCLUDING THIS AREA.
THE REVITALIZATION PLAN IS A SUB-COMPONENT OF, UH, THAT OVERALL VISION.
AND THEN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND, AND ZONING CODE HOPEFULLY WILL HELP US ACHIEVE THAT VISION AS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS ARE PRESENTED.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MARTIN ZORAN AND ANTHONY PODO FROM ZAKI TO WALK YOU THROUGH WHERE WE WERE AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO YOU THIS EVENING.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US BACK.
IT'S REALLY A PLEASURE TO BE BACK IN DUBLIN.
UM, WE'VE BEEN HERE A NUMBER OF TIMES WORKING ON THE METRO CENTER REVITALIZATION PLAN.
I'M AN URBAN DESIGN PRINCIPAL AT SASAKI.
I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY ANTHONY PORO, SENIOR ASSOCIATE URBAN DESIGNER AS WELL.
WE'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING ON THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ALONG WITH PLANNING STAFF FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
UM, HAVE MET WITH CITY COUNCIL THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS AND ARE HERE TO PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES TONIGHT.
BASICALLY, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, AS BOSS MENTIONED, WE'RE SORT OF AN ADD-ON TO THE METRO CENTER REVITALIZATION PLAN, WHICH WAS COMPLETED, UH, SOMETIME AGO NOW ABOUT, UH, TWO YEARS AGO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, IN COORDINATION WITH CITY COUNCIL, WITH THE PLANNING STAFF, UM, AS WELL AS WITH OUR OTHER CONSULTANTS, SB FRIEDMAN AND EMH AND T.
UM, IT WAS A RIGOROUS, EXCITING PLAN THAT WE CONCEIVED OF AND WORKED THROUGH WITH A LOT OF INPUT, INCLUDING, UM, OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
THE FIRST FEW SLIDES HERE, JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THAT PLAN, THE METRO CENTER REVITALIZATION PLAN, WHICH HAD A NUMBER OF COMPONENTS INCLUDING A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE SITE, WHAT THE ORIGINAL CONCEPTION WAS, HOW IT HAS TRANSFORMED THROUGH THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES, AND WHERE IT IS TODAY.
OF COURSE, WE KNOW THE ECONOMIC CONTEXT HAS FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED SINCE ITS INCEPTION.
AND THE WISDOM OF THE COMMUNITY OF DUBLIN FELT THAT IT WAS TIME FOR A REFRESH AND A RETHINKING OF WHAT IT WAS AND WHERE IT SHOULD BE POSITIONED GOING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE.
THROUGH A SERIES OF ANALYSIS DIAGRAMS THAT LOOKED AT THE PARCELIZATION AND EXISTING LAND USE TODAY, AS WELL AS SORT OF SOME OF THE EXISTING ASSETS AND CONNECTIVITY TO THE SITE.
A NUMBER OF CONCLUSIONS WERE DRAWN AS A BASIS FOR THE DESIGN GOING FORWARD.
WE LOOKED AT THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, THE ROADWAY NETWORK, THE OPEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPE COMPONENTS ALL TOGETHER TO BE ABLE TO PUT FORWARD A HOLISTIC PLAN FOR METRO CENTER.
IT WAS BASED ON GUIDING PRINCIPLES, WHICH HAD TO DO WITH CONNECTIVITY, WHICH HAD TO DO ABOUT CLUSTERING AND MIX OF LAND, USES ABOUT AN OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK, REALLY AT THE CENTER.
AND AS IMPORTANTLY ABOUT CONNECTING IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT MORE BROADLY.
WE WORKED THROUGH A SERIES OF ALTERNATIVES FOR, UM, AND ENGAGED WITH CITY COUNCIL AND OTHERS ON WHAT THOSE ALTERNATIVES COULD BE.
AND ENDED UP ON THE ONE THAT'S THE THIRD ONE THERE, WHICH REALLY LOOKED AT POSITIONING, UM, A, A, A VERY LARGE, UH, EXPANSE OF OPEN SPACE AT THE CENTER TO BRING VALUE AND TO SORT OF CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF METRO CENTER ITSELF.
THE OVERALL ILLUSTRATIVE VIEW THAT YOU SEE HERE WAS PART OF THAT REPORT THAT WAS INITIALLY CREATED,
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UH, TO GIVE IT VISION TO HOW THIS COULD TRANSFORM OVER TIME HERE IN AN INDICATION OF A, A FULLER BUILD OUT.FULLY AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THIS WILL BE DONE IN PHASES, AND IT'S A COMPLEX PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE MULTIPLE, UH, PARCEL OWNERSHIP ACROSS THE SITE.
WE HAD A VISION AND AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE OPEN SPACES, THE OVERALL MASSING OF THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS VERY IMPORTANTLY, GIVEN THE STORM WATER PONDS TODAY, HOW THOSE STORM WATER PONDS COULD BE CENTRALIZED AS AN AMENITY FOR BRINGING VALUE TO THE PROJECT IN THE FUTURE.
IMPORTANTLY, CONNECTING ACROSS, UH, TWO 70 AND THEN TO THE SOUTH, UH, AS WELL.
ALL OF THOSE CONNECTIONS WERE COVERED IN THE OVERALL, UH, PLAN ITSELF WITH THAT SERIES OF RENDERINGS, A MODEL WHICH IS NOW OVER AT THE PLANNING OFFICE THAT'S BEEN USED AT A NUMBER OF SORT OF PUBLIC, UH, FORUMS AND EVENTS ACROSS THE CITY, UH, TO HELP PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT VISION COULD AND SHOULD BE.
SO GIVEN, UM, THE SORT OF THE STATUS OF THAT PLAN AND THAT REPORT WE WERE TASKED WITH TO OUR PLEASURE, UH, COMING UP WITH A APPROACH TO DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR METRO CENTER IN THE CONTEXT, AS BASSEM POINTED OUT IN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE HERE IN DUBLIN, NAMED SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE HISTORIC CENTER AS WELL AS BRIDGE PARK, AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE APPROACH HERE THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE THE BEST FIT FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS VERY UNIQUE FROM THOSE OTHER TWO.
AND IT'S NOT A VERSION OF BRIDGE PARK, MANY SUCCESSES WITH THAT PROJECT, BUT THIS NEEDED A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT APPROACH FOR DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE CRUX OF OUR DISCUSSION HERE THIS EVENING.
SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE FOLLOWING SLIDES HERE IS REALLY SOME SPREADS FROM THAT REPORT, WHICH HAS BEEN SHARED WITH YOU.
AND IT DOES REPRESENT SORT OF A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO DESIGN GUIDELINES MORE BROADLY.
I'LL SAY THAT FROM A NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, UM, THESE ARE MORE PERFORMANCE BASED RATHER THAN PRESCRIPTIVE.
AND I THINK THAT'S SORT OF A MODEL WE'RE SEEING INCREASINGLY ACROSS THE UNITED STATES FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS.
UM, SOME MIGHT SAY IT'S A MORE PROGRESSIVE APPROACH, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY, UH, MOVING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE AS NOT NEARLY AS RIGID OR PRESCRIPTIVE AS OTHER CODES, UH, COULD AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST.
SO THAT'S SORT OF BROADLY, WE STRUCTURED THIS REALLY COMING OUT OF THE OVERALL METRO CENTER PLAN ITSELF AROUND WHAT WE CALL FOUNDATIONS.
AND THESE FOUNDATIONS ARE SORT OF PHILOSOPHICAL POINTS OF REFERENCE, UM, THAT INCLUDE THIS SORT OF BIOPHILIC DESIGN, THE SORT OF LOVE OF NATURE, AND HOW THAT MIGHT INFORM THE PLAN, THE IDEA OF CITIES FOR PEOPLE.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, LET'S MAKE IT HUMAN SCALE AND LET'S MAKE IT VERY APPROACHABLE.
LET'S THINK ABOUT ECOLOGICAL URBANISM, THOSE PRINCIPLES WHERE THINGS SUCH AS STORM WATER REALLY INFORM THE URBAN FORM.
AND THEN TWO OTHER ASPECTS WHICH HAVE SPECIFICALLY TO DO WITH SORT OF FORM MAKING IN THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
SO THOSE WERE REALLY OUR FIVE FOUNDATIONAL IDEAS, WHICH ANTHONY WILL EXPLAIN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TO SORT OF SET THE FRAME FOR THE PROJECT ITSELF.
FROM THERE, WE IDENTIFIED A SERIES OF GOALS.
THEY APPLY TO THE ENTIRE METRO CENTER, AND THESE GOALS STILL REMAIN SORT OF LARGELY NONS SPATIAL, BUT ASPIRATIONAL FOR WHAT THE PROJECT WANTS TO ACHIEVE.
SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE SORT OF PRETTY HIGH LEVEL, UH, BUT TAKE IT FROM OUR DESIGN FOUNDATIONS INTO THAT NEXT LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY.
SO THOSE WERE OUR DESIGN GOALS.
FROM THOSE GOALS, WE REALLY WORKED WITH PLANNING STAFF TO IDENTIFY A SERIES OF SITE LEVEL STRATEGIES.
AND SO THESE GOT INTO SORT OF THE NEXT LEVEL DOWN OF DETAIL.
THESE STRATEGIES, WHICH YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ACTUALLY QUITE A FEW OF THEM, ARE GROUPED INTO THREE BIG CATEGORIES.
AND THOSE ARE REALLY SITE ARCHITECTURE, LANDSCAPE AND PUBLIC REALM.
SO WE FELT ALONG WITH PLANNING STAFF, THAT THERE IS A NEED TO HAVE EVEN GREATER LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY THAN THE GOALS.
AND THOSE ARE TRANSLATED INTO THESE SITE STRATEGIES.
AGAIN, THESE APPLY ACROSS THE ENTIRE METRO CENTER, NOT TO ANY ONE PLACE, AND THEY'RE PRETTY BROAD RANGING.
ANTHONY WILL WALK THROUGH A FEW OF THOSE WITH YOU, BUT THEY ADDRESS THINGS SUCH AS THE MATERIALITY, BOTH FOR THE LANDSCAPE AND FOR THE ARCHITECTURE.
THEY ADDRESS THE GOALS TOWARDS SUSTAINABILITY, AROUND CONNECTIVITY, AROUND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS MORE BROADLY.
AND THESE ARE COMPONENTS THAT WE WANT THE ENTIRE PROJECT TO INDEED FOLLOW THROUGH.
SO THAT'S SORT OF OUR NEXT LEVEL DOWN.
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STRATEGIES THEMSELVES, THE DOCUMENT THEN SHIFTS TO A SPATIAL RECOMMENDATION.AND SO WE LOOKED AT THE PLAN AND FELT THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF WHAT WE'RE CALLING CHARACTER AREAS, AGAIN, WHICH ARE SPATIAL, THEY'RE GEOGRAPHIC, AND THEY RESPOND TO SORT OF THE OVERALL AREAS THAT WE FELT NEEDED DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WERE DISTINCT TO THE AREAS OF THE PLAN ITSELF.
SO THE DIFFERENT COLORS THERE REPRESENT THOSE CHARACTER AREAS.
SO FRANZ ROAD, WE FELT ITS VISIBILITY OF COURSE, TO FRANZ, IT'S THE FRONT DOOR OF THE PROJECT, HAS A SPECIFIC SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AS YOU MOVE TO THE HEART OF THE PROJECT, THE GATEWAY PARK, AS WE'RE CALLING WATERWAY PARK, AS WE'RE CALLING IT IN THE CENTER, THE SORT OF AQUA COLOR REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THOSE BUILDINGS THAT, AND THE FACES OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT FACE ONTO THAT VERY LARGE AMENITY IN THE CENTER OF THE PROJECT SURROUNDING THAT, AS WE MOVE OUT, UM, THE OVERALL SORT OF, UM, SURROUNDING METRO LOOP IN THE BROWN COLOR, WHICH ARE THE BUILDINGS, MANY OF WHICH ARE HOTELS AND SOME OF THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS THERE TODAY, AN AREA SPECIFICALLY ADJACENT TO THE HIGHWAY, OF COURSE.
AND THEN COS GRAY RUN IS THE OTHER ONE.
SO A COUPLE OF SORT OF DISTINCT CHARACTER AREAS FROM WHICH WE DEVELOP DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR EACH OF THOSE CHARACTER AREAS.
AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE, AND ONE OF THE EXAMPLE ILLUSTRATIONS THAT WE CREATED IS REALLY THE FRANZ ROAD GATEWAY.
AND THIS IS SORT OF A ZOOM IN THAT BEGINS TO PURPOSEFULLY IN A CARTOON FASHION, REPRESENT SOME OF THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM THE ARCHITECTURE TO THE LANDSCAPE, UH, AND PUBLIC REALM, AND THE OVERALL SPATIAL CHARACTER AS THINKING ABOUT THE MASSING AS IT STEPS DOWN TOWARDS FRANZ ROAD, THE OPENING TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE PROJECT, AND THE CADENCE AND RHYTHM OF THE VOLUMES OF THE BUILDINGS.
THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF ONE POTENTIAL OUTCOMES BECAUSE THE PLAN WILL EVOLVE OVER THE NEXT YEARS AS IMPLEMENTATION BEGINS.
A FOR EXAMPLE WOULD BE THAT A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER COMES TO YOU LOOKING TO BUILD ON ONE OF THOSE PARCELS.
THEIR BUILDING DOES NOT HAVE TO LOOK LIKE THAT, BUT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES HELP TO GIVE THEM GUIDELINES, GUIDANCE AS TO HOW IT SHOULD AND COULD AND MUST PERFORM.
VIS-A-VIS, FRANZ WROTE ITSELF VIS-A-VIS THE WATER, VIS-A-VIS THE PEDESTRIAN PATH, AND EVEN ELEMENTS SUCH AS THE HARDSCAPE, AS THE BUILDING MEETS THE GROUND.
IT'S NOT TELLING YOU EXACTLY WHAT TO DO, BUT IT'S TELLING YOU SORT OF HOW TO APPROACH THE DESIGN OF THAT BUILDING AND ALLOWS YOU ALL AND THE PLANNING STAFF TO HAVE THE TOOLS TO EVALUATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROPOSALS.
THERE'S BEEN A PRE-VETTING OF SOME OF THESE IDEAS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO DATE, AND THEY FELT THAT THERE WAS THE, BOTH THE ALLOWANCE FOR CREATIVITY, BUT ALSO THE SORT OF, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR MEETING THE CERTAIN PERFORMANCE GOALS.
SO A LOT OF GOOD WORK HAS GONE INTO THE DOCUMENT.
IT'S CREATIVE IN THE WAY THAT IT'S STRUCTURED, AGAIN, FROM THE FOUNDATIONS TO THE GOALS, TO THE STRATEGIES, CHARACTER AREAS, AND THEN SPECIFIC DESIGN GUIDELINES.
ANTHONY'S GONNA WALK THROUGH JUST A FEW MORE EXAMPLES OF THOSE, I BELIEVE AFTER WE PAUSE FOR A SECOND AND TAKE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS FROM YOU ALL FIRST ABOUT THE OVERALL ORGANIZATION STRUCTURE, UM, AND ALSO SORT OF THAT HIERARCHY, WHICH I JUST WALK THROUGH.
SO I'LL PAUSE THERE FOR ANY COMMENTS.
THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO, UH,
SO, SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT, UH, GARY AND I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME PRE-REVIEW OF THIS MATERIAL, AND WE'VE GIVEN OUR COMMENTS, NOT SURE THAT THEY'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTED AND, UM, SHOWN THAT THEY'VE BEEN INCORPORATED YET.
THEY'RE JUST COMMENTS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE'S.
SO WE MAY STILL COMMENT TONIGHT.
I'M SURE WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT SINCE THEN, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOME NEW FOLKS.
VICKI, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF?
UM, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA RESPOND TO THIS AS AN ARCHITECT THAT WOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS FROM YOU PRESENTED THIS IN FRONT OF ME, AND NOW I HAVE TO DESIGN A PROJECT ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE OFFENSE TO THIS, BUT MY COMMENT IS, IS THAT TELLS ME THAT I COULD DO ALMOST
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ANYTHING.I'M JUST GONNA BE OPEN AND HONEST.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S ELIMINATING ME AND WHAT I COULD PRESENT IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE GOALS IN HERE ABOUT, UM, REUSABLE ENERGY IN SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UM, AREN'T GOING TO BE VERY ENFORCEABLE.
AND I DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS THINK THEY'RE VERY PRACTICAL.
SO, UM, JUST TO PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, I'M THE LEAD, UM, CO UM, COORDINATOR FOR OUR OFFICE.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE, I THINK, UM, 21 PROJECTS THAT ARE EITHER CERTIFIED OR GOING THROUGH LEAD CERTIFICATION.
SO I'M SPEAKING FROM A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH TRYING TO PUT PHOTO MAL TAKES ON BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO RENEWABLE ENERGY WORKS IN SOME PLACES AND NOT IN OTHERS.
SO PHOTO VAULT TANKS DON'T WORK EXTREMELY WELL IN, IN OHIO.
THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE FOR INCLUDING THEM IN THE BUILDINGS.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE TO GET WIND ENERGY.
YOU LOOK AT GEOTHERMAL SYSTEMS AND THEY TAKE HUGE DRILL FIELDS TO ACCOMMODATE IT MM-HMM
AND THEY ALSO HAVE A LIFE EXPECTANCY THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN THESE GUIDELINES, I THINK JUST FROM THOSE STANDPOINTS ARE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.
AND SO I LOOKED AT WHAT THE DESIRES ARE AND LIKE STREET PLANNING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND I LOOKED AT THE ARCHITECTURE AND I'M, I, I JUST FELT LIKE WHAT I COULD PRESENT ALMOST ANYTHING IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD AND SAY THAT IT MET THESE, THAT IT WOULD, IT'S SO BROAD THAT I DIDN'T THINK IT, IT, IT ISN'T PRODUCING A GOAL.
I THINK ACTUALLY THAT MAYBE CITY COUNCIL WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE OUT OF THIS.
AND VICKI, YOU WERE, UM, ON CITY ON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WHEN BRIDGE PARK WAS KIND OF FORMULATED, RIGHT? IT WAS, YEAH.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BRINGING THE FORM-BASED DESIGN KIND OF EXPERIENCE? WELL, I'VE, I'VE PRESENTED AN FRONT OF OTHER, UM, PLANNING COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE A FORM-BASED CODE.
AND SO ANY OF THE ONES THAT I'VE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF, I'VE HAD OFTEN THE SAME OPINION.
I LOOK THROUGH THE FORM-BASED CODE AND IT TELLS ME A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS, BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE ME A WHOLE, LIKE, THE TRUE GUIDANCE THAT YOU WOULD WANT THAT YOU GET WHEN YOU HAVE A MORE PRESCRIPTIVE, WHERE THERE ARE ACTUAL LIMITATIONS OF SIZES OR THE PERCENTAGE OF, LET'S SAY RESIDENTIAL HOUSING COMPARED TO BUSINESS, THAT THERE'S SOMETHING TO DRAW FROM.
SO I THEN FOUND THAT COMMISSIONS FIND IT DIFFICULT TO EVEN ENFORCE THOSE CODE.
AND SO WHEN I'VE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF COMMISSIONS THAT ARE DEALING WITH A FORM-BASED CODE, THEY BECOME ALMOST FREE FOR ALLS ON THE OPINIONS, WHOEVER IS SITTING AT, AT THAT BOARD BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE SO OPEN, THEY'RE HARDER TO, THEY'RE HARDER AS A COMMISSIONER TO DRAW AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT A LIMITATION HERE.
AND SO PEOPLE GO TO, WELL, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THIS LOOKS AND I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THAT LOOKS.
AND THEN THEY BECOME HARD TO DEAL WITH.
AND MR. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, JU JUST BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA GET TO SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ALSO ABOUT THE DETAILS.
UH, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ORGANIZATIONAL COMPONENTS OF IT.
I, I THINK THOSE ARE VERY VETTED POINTS THAT WE ARE GONNA NEED TO DISCUSS, BUT, UH, I THINK WE ARE WORKING OUR WAY INTO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ZONING REQUIREMENTS ALSO THAT ZACH WILL, WILL TOUCH ON.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
I WAS JUST LETTING, UH, THESE GUYS KNOW WHERE VICKY'S COMMENTS WERE COMING FROM.
UM, SO STICKING TO THE QUESTIONS AT HAND, I DID APPRECIATE THE ORGANIZATION KIND OF THE LAYERED APPROACH TO THE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THOSE WOULD OVERLAY.
UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT, I THINK OF RELEVANCE TO SOME OF VICKI'S COMMENTS IN TERMS OF GOALS AND STRATEGIES AND, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE SHOW WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO THE CITY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR PLANNING TEAMS, UM, AND THE HIERARCHY THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, SHOW A LITTLE BIT MORE FORCEFULNESS ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT INTENTIONS, AND THEN MAYBE IT CAN IMPLY A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY ABOUT OTHER ASPECTS.
BUT IN TERMS OF ORGANIZATION, I THOUGHT IT WAS A, A CLEAR PRESENTATION.
UM, WELL, I'VE SEEN THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES, AND SO I'M VERY POSITIVE BECAUSE THIS IS THE OUTLINE AND THE ZONING COMES NEXT, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT OUR BOARD WILL REALLY USE AND THE STAFF WILL USE TO MAKE DECISIONS ARE GOING TO GROW OUT OF THIS.
SO, WHILE I UNDERSTAND VICKI'S COMMENTS, I, I THINK THIS IS JUST A STARTING POINT FOR US.
UM, THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE FOR
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YOU IS, IS IT HARDER? SO IF WE HAVE A PRESCRIPTIVE CODE, IT'S EASY FOR US TO MAKE DECISIONS AND IT'S EASY FOR US TO MEASURE.IS IT, IS THE DECISION APPROPRIATE RELATIVE TO OUR CODE? IS THAT HARDER WITH A PERFORMANCE BASED CODE TO MAKE THE, TO MAKE THE, IS IT HARDER FOR YOU TO DETERMINE WHETHER SOMEONE'S MEETING A PERFORMANCE BASED CODE VERSUS A VERY PRESCRIPTIVE, DO YOU, HAVE YOU USED RED BRICK OR ARE YOU PROVIDING 60% OF FENESTRATION ON A FACADE? YEAH, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, YES, IT REQUIRES MORE DISCRETION, OF COURSE, AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, HARDER, IT TAKES MORE WORK AND A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHT TO EVALUATE, OKAY, THE PERFORMANCE SAYS I NEED TO CREATE A, UM, AT THIS MOMENT IN THE PLAN, AN EMPHASIS ON THE CORNER TO, UH, SIGNAL AN ENTRYWAY.
THAT'S A VERY SPECIFIC ONE COMING OUTTA THE PLAN.
LIKE WE'VE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF, SORT OF, UM, GATEWAYS ON THE PROJECT VISUALLY.
AND SO YES, IT WOULD BE THEN INDEED UP TO SORT OF DESIGN REVIEW AT THE STAFF LEVEL, UM, TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY THINK THAT THAT EXPRESSION, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH COLOR, LIGHT MATERIAL, MASSING, ROOF SHAPE, OR OTHER MEETS THE PERFORMANCE CRITERIA OF A CORNER, WHICH IS SIGNALING A GATEWAY.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY, YOUR GATEWAY HAS TO BE A HUNDRED FEET TALL, AND IT HAS TO BE RED BRICK.
UH, IT, IT REALLY, THE, THE IDEA HERE IS THAT IT'S TO CREATE A GATEWAY, AND IT DOES YES, UH, REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, THOUGHT AND EVALUATION AS TO HAVE THEY ACHIEVED THAT.
AND IN THE END, THE, THE IDEA WAS TO PERMIT GREATER FLEXIBILITY AND A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVITY AS TO HOW FOLKS MIGHT INTERPRET THIS IDEA OF A GATEWAY, FOR EXAMPLE, SO THAT THIS DISTRICT FELT A LITTLE BIT MORE LIVELY, A LITTLE BIT LESS PREDICTABLE AND EXPRESSIVE OF, I THINK WHAT WE HEARD FROM CITY COUNCIL OF A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT LIVELY, EXCITING, DIFFERENT, AND MAYBE EVEN SURPRISING AT SOME MOMENTS.
SO GIVEN THAT DIRECTIVE, UH, IT WOULD REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCRETION ON YOUR END.
AND THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT, ANSWER I WOULD MAKE IS, I, I DO APPRECIATE THE THINGS ABOUT, UM, SUSTAINABILITY BECAUSE WHILE CERTAIN STRATEGIES MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE HERE, YOU CERTAINLY CAN EVALUATE EMBODIED ENERGY IN THE BUILDING, IN THE BUILDINGS MM-HMM
AND, UM, WE MAY NOT GET NET ZERO BUILDINGS HERE, BUT I THINK THAT'S AN ASPIRATION OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD, THAT SHOULD, AND IT'S REALLY BIOPHILIC DESIGN.
IT'S A PART OF, IT'S A PART OF THE APPROACH, WHICH IS SO DIFFERENT THAN BRIDGE STREET.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE AND THE WORK YOU'VE DONE AND, UM, WITH STAFF AND SO FORTH AND, AND WITH CITY COUNCIL.
I DO THINK, UM, WE DON'T WANNA PUT OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOW TO DO THIS, AND WE DON'T WANNA GET, UM, TOO PIGEONHOLED THAT THEN JUST BECAUSE IT WORKED IN ONE AREA, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THIS IS NEW, INNOVATIVE, AND SO FORTH.
LIKE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO 70, I THINK YOU'RE ASKING FOR US TO LOOK IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS ON TWO 70, WHERE THE BUILDINGS, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE, THE, UH, LOOK OF THE, UM, OF, OF THE SIGNS THAT STICK OUT.
IT'S THE LOOK OF THE BUILDINGS.
AND THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESS, I THINK, UM, WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL TO ALL OF US TO THINK, BUT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF, UH, BOXED IN KIND OF SITUATION.
AND I THINK, UH, THIS COMMUNITY HAS GONE THROUGH LOTS OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS AND THERE'S LOTS OF EXPERIENCE HERE THAT WE NEED TO BE, UM, PROTECTIVE OF THAT AND THAT.
UM, AND SINCE I'M HEARING THIS AS A, UH, WHICH IT IS, IT'S A BEGINNING STAGE AND SO FORTH, UH, FRANZ ROAD, I LIKE HOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT IT IS A FRONT DOOR EXPERIENCE AND, AND WHAT WILL THAT LOOK LIKE? AND YOU GAVE US SOME, UM, THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT AS WELL TOO.
BUT THERE'S ALSO BEEN WORK ON FRANZ ROAD THAT WE HOPE TO CULTIVATE THAT IN THERE AS WELL TOO.
UM, AND AGAIN, I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED, UH, SUSTAINABILITY TOO, 'CAUSE THERE SHOULD BE SOME MORE THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE GO WITH THAT SHOULD BE JUST AS IMPORTANT TOO.
LIKE DESIRE SAID, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, AND THANKS FOR THE HARD WORK ON THE STAFF.
I THINK YOU GUYS, THE WAY YOU PRESENTED THIS, THE WAY YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THE WAY THE APPROACH IS FOR THIS, THE, THE VISION, THE LOGIC BEHIND IT IS AWESOME.
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I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE READY FOR IT THOUGH,I THINK WE CAN DO IT, BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO, MEN, IT'S A MENTAL SHIFT FOR STAFF AND FOR US AND HOW WE APPROACH IT.
AGAIN, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE GREAT.
I THINK IT COULD BE INCREDIBLY CREATIVE.
I THINK IT COULD BE INCREDIBLY UNIQUE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE CHALLENGING, I THINK, FOR US TO MAKE THAT MENTAL SHIFT, TO JUST APPROACH THIS DISTRICT ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM ANYTHING ELSE WE'VE, WE'VE DONE.
WHICH I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW.
UM, AND I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS GOING TO BE FROM THE DEVELOPER SIDE, THE PROCESS IS GONNA BE A LOT MORE, UH, LENGTHY, DIFFICULT.
I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF ITERATIONS.
THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA PRESENT THINGS THAT, HEY, MAYBE IT'S GREAT, MAYBE IT DOESN'T.
IT'S GONNA BE, WELL, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT TO BE LEFT IN TRANSLATION, I GUESS, IN THIS, IN THIS APPROACH.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, I THINK HOW YOU'VE GOT IT ORGANIZED, HOW YOU'VE GOT IT SET UP, UM, IS, IS, IS, IS GREAT.
AND I, AND THERE'S A LOT, A LOT HERE THAT I, I THINK IS PRETTY DARN EXCITING.
I WILL SAY I WAS, WHEN I DID READ THE DESIGN, GETTING DOWN THE WEEDS FOR A SECOND, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE DESIGN FOUNDATIONS, AND IT MIGHT BE INHERENT IN HERE, AND I'M MAYBE NOT FULLY GRASPING IT, BUT WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A REALLY, UH, SUSTAINABILITY IS MENTIONED, BUT I WOULD EVEN GO MUCH FURTHER TO SAY, CAN THIS BE A VERY MUCH A WALKABLE COMMUNITY, SELF-SUSTAINING COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE, PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DRIVE, THEY WORK, THEY LIVE, THEY PLAY.
MAYBE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PARKING.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I THINK WE COULD REALLY GET AGGRESSIVE WITH HOW WE APPROACH EVERYTHING AROUND SUSTAINABILITY, AGAIN, AROUND THAT SELF-SUSTAINING COMMUNITY.
AND I, YOU KNOW, WE USE THE TERMS WALKABLE IN DUBLIN, WHICH IS GREAT 'CAUSE WE'RE EXERCISE WALKABLE, BUT WE'RE NOT WALKABLE IN TERMS OF DAILY FUNCTION, WALKABLE, AND HERE'S A GR HERE'S A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, AGAIN, I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT IN HERE, BUT I WOULD SAY AS WE KIND OF THINK ABOUT THE DESIGN FOUNDATIONS, I'D LOVE TO SEE A LOT MORE EMPHASIS ON ON THINGS LIKE THAT, BIKING AND ALL THAT OTHER THINGS.
BUT AGAIN, I, I'M SUPER EXCITED.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT START TO THIS.
UM, I'M GONNA DOUBLE UP ON WHAT VICTORIA SAID ABOUT BEING TOO GENERAL TO THE POINT OF BEING GIVENS.
UM, AND SO I DON'T, THE IDEA OF THE ORGANIZATION IS GREAT, BUT I'M A LAWYER AND I CAN ARGUE ANYTHING.
AND THESE ARE SO ARGUABLE, I COULD COME IN WITH A SHACK AND SAY, WELL, IT'S PEOPLE, OR IT'S, IT'S CITIES FOR PEOPLE.
IT'S THIS, THIS IS, IT'S, IT'S, UM, HUMAN SIZED OR WHATEVER IT, IT, AND IT'S NATURAL, UM, SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS.
SO IT FITS ALL OF YOUR VALUES.
I WOULD CALL THESE, YOU'VE CALLED THEM DESIGN FOUNDATION.
I SEE THEM AS VALUES, THE CITY'S VALUES, BUT I THINK THEY'RE TOO GENERAL TO BE USEFUL.
UM, AND THEREFORE THAT NO, THE ORGANIZATION IS BAD BECAUSE IT'S SO GENERAL.
I DON'T SEE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR GREATER PILLARS OR VALUES OR FOUNDATIONS BETWEEN THOSE AND YOUR GOALS.
UM, I, I SORT OF SEE THE GOALS AS JUST MORE PILED ON OR DIFFERENT SYNONYMS. THEY ALL SEEM TO BE EQUAL.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW VALUABLE THAT'S GONNA BE TO THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT.
UM, IT, AND IF YOU'RE STILL MASSAGING, THAT'S GREAT.
I ALSO AM WARY OF THE WHOLE IDEA OF LET'S BE SO GENERAL THAT ANYBODY CAN BE CREATIVE.
AND I SEE THAT IN A WAY, I WROTE DOWN JAZZ HERE, BUT JAZZ WORKS WITHIN RULES.
YOU IMPROVISE, BUT YOU HAVE RULES ABOUT THE STRUCTURE, THE RHYTHM, THE TONE, THE UH, UH, NOTES AND THE, AND THE, UM, SIZE OF THEM, THE, THE PITCH, THAT'S THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR.
SAME THING, THAT WE NEED MORE STRUCTURE OR WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO JUDGE ANYTHING.
AND YOU WILL GET A LAWYER IN HERE INDICTING A HAM SANDWICH, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE WANT
UM, SO YES, IN GENERAL, YEAH, I DON'T SEE A HIERARCHY AND I THINK THE ORGANIZATION'S WEAK, NOT, I AM SORRY.
I THINK, UM, I WOULD, UM, I GUESS PAUSE IT HERE.
THE FOUNDATIONS IN AND OF THEMSELVES ARE NOT MEANT TO BE THE LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY WHICH ARE DEFENSIBLE IN A COURT OF LAW.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE PRINCIPLES AGAINST WHICH WE FRAME AND BEGIN TO LAYER IN THE HIERARCHY.
AND SO BY THE TIME IN OUR, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE VERY SPECIFIC DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR FRANZ
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ROAD, LET'S SAY, AND WE SAY THIS AREA NEEDS TO BE 70% PERMEABLE, THIS AREA NEEDS TO BE 30% IMPERMEABLE.AND SO NO ONE'S TRYING TO DEFEND CITIES ARE FOR PEOPLE THEN, BUT RATHER THAN THOSE SPECIFICS DON'T KNOW.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, UH, THEN THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THIS IS USABLE TO A COMMISSION IS IRRELEVANT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA USE THIS.
WE'RE GONNA USE THE UNDERLYING CODE OR THE EVENTUAL CODE THAT BUILDS ON THESE.
SO MAYBE THIS IS USEFUL FOR THE TEXT BUILDERS, BUT AS FAR AS US REVIEWING THINGS, WE WON'T BE USING IT.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? WE'LL JUST BE USING THE A HUNDRED FOOT SET OFF.
LET, LET AWESOME SORT OF EXPLAIN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ZONING AND DESIGN GUIDELINES HERE.
YEAH, I I THINK MAYBE WE ASK THIS QUESTION A LITTLE TOO PREMATURELY.
SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE AS WE CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU MAY HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON, BUT MAYBE AS WE CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, HOPEFULLY SOME OF THAT HIERARCHY WILL START BECOMING A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.
AND THEN HOW WE ARE APPROACHING THE ZONING AS WELL.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? AND THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR STAFF.
SO YOU HAD MADE A COMMENT WHEN YOU WERE GETTING IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT YOU WOULD, THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE THIS TO A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER WHO IS GONNA COME IN? SO THAT IS WHERE MY COMMENTS CAME IN REGARDS TO THIS, BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE WORKED WITH DEVELOPERS, I DID THAT EARLY IN MY ARCHITECTURAL PRACTICE.
I HAVEN'T DONE IT IN 20 YEARS.
I DO NOTHING ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS.
BUT THE, ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS YOU WOULD DO WHEN I'M WORKING WITH A DEVELOPER WOULD READ THIS, AND HONESTLY, YOU WOULD GET THE QUESTION, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE CAN GET PAST THEM? AND SO THAT'S MY COMMENT HERE.
IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY OPEN-ENDED.
AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMEONE AND YOU WHO'S COMING IN, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AND THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO PUSH WHAT THEY WANNA DEVELOP, QUITE HONESTLY.
AND SO THAT'S, I'M A, I'M AFRAID OF IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING OR IN THE PROCESS WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY DEVELOPING, THEN THE FORM-BASED CODE THAT WOULD GO BEHIND THIS, THAT WOULD PUT SOME CREDS, ARE WE GONNA END UP BEING PUSHED IN A PARTICULAR DIRECTION? BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT YOU MIGHT BE WORKING WITH AND KNOWING WHAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO PRODUCE ON THAT PROPERTY MAY MAYBE JUST ON A VERY BASIC, UH, SORRY, UH, ON A VERY BASIC LEVEL IN GENERAL, THE COMMISSION IS NOT NECESSARILY AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
SO WHEN WE GET AN APPLICATION THAT DOES HAVE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, UH, YOU'RE MAKING SOME JUDGMENTS ON SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.
AND SO THERE WILL STILL BE SOME ZONING, UH, BASELINES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ONE.
WE ENVISION THESE GUIDELINES TO BE A STRONG INDICATION OF WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD BE LOOKING FOR AND, AND THE INTENT STATEMENTS AND OTHER THINGS.
SO AGAIN, THE IDEA IS THAT THESE WOULD NOT BE JUST FLOATING WITH NO INTENT, BUT, UH, AGAIN, HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BECOME A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.
SO MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS REALLY SPARKING A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
UM, I AGREE, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT EVERYBODY SAID.
I, I GO BACK TO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS DOCUMENT IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH ZONING, WHICH SACK'S GONNA TALK ABOUT AT THE END.
BUT TO ME, THIS IS ABOUT INTENT.
THIS SETS AN INTENT FOR A PROJECT.
AND WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS, AND AGAIN, I THINK THE ORGANIZ, I THINK THE ORGANIZATION IS GREAT, BUT NOW WE HAVE, WE HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT'S RELYING NOT ON JUST WORDS, BUT ON PICTURES.
YOU'VE GOT GRAPHICS, YOU'VE GOT DIAGRAMS, YOU'VE GOT PRECEDENT IMAGES.
AND I THINK WHAT'S NOT QUITE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, THOSE AREN'T ALL WORKING TOGETHER.
THEY'RE NOT ALL COMING TOGETHER AS, THEY'RE NOT SUPPORTING EACH OTHER.
LIKE IN THE, IN THE, WHEN YOU START PUTTING NUMBERS ON THE TRIC PLANS, IS THERE A IMAGE THAT GOES WITH THAT TOO? AND YOU COULD LINK THOSE TWO AND GO, THIS AREA, THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE THIS TO LOOK LIKE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, AND, AND ALSO JUST THE, THE, THE LABELS TOO OF THE PRECEDENT IMAGES.
I THINK THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M IN, I'M A PROFESSIONAL
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DEFEND THIS, AND I, I WANT THIS TO BE SO USABLE THAT THE PUBLIC CAN PICK IT UP AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENT, AGAIN, I'M GOING BACK TO IT'S, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A BIGGER, UH, UH, INTENT SETTING DOCUMENT, RIGHT? SO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY COMES WITH, WELL, IT'S NOT MEETING THE INTENT OF WHAT THIS DOCUMENT IS SHOWING, SO IN TERMS OF OPEN SPACE OR ARCHITECTURE OR FORM, MASSING, HEIGHT, WHATEVER.
UM, BUT I THINK, AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE PROGRESSION IS GOOD
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UNTIL YOU GET TO THEN THE REAL SPECIFICS.AND THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE GRAPHICS START TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER TO THE POINT WHERE A LOT OF THE, OF THE STATEMENTS ARE MADE IN AN AXO METRIC IN WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE PARTS OF BUILDINGS.
LIKE, OH, WELL, IS THAT FACADE IMPORTANT TOO? BUT I CAN'T SEE IT IN THIS, IN THIS DIAGRAM.
SO IS THERE A PLAN, IS THERE A PLAN DIAGRAM THAT GOES WITH THE AXONS? THAT, AGAIN, AGAIN, MORE GRAPHICS TO REINFORCE THE POINT, I GUESS, AND TIE IT TO PRECEDENT IMAGES.
I'M NOT SEEING THAT THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE, AGAIN, SINCE WE'VE SEEN THIS, LIKE I'VE SEEN THIS LIKE THREE TIMES NOW.
UM, I JUST KEEP THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS.
HOW IS THIS? AND I WAS HOPING THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE PROGRESSION IN TERMS OF THAT TYPE OF, OF LINKING.
AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE USABILITY OF THE DOCUMENT FOR EVERYBODY, I'M THINKING NOT JUST THE COMMISSION, BUT EVERYBODY, DEVELOPERS, THE PUBLIC, THEY UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF METRO CENTER AND, AND, AND, AND THEN WE COULD GET DOWN TO THE SUB AREAS TOO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO TRY DRILL DOWN THAT DEEP AT THIS POINT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE WHY EVERYBODY, I THINK THERE STILL IS SOME WORK ABOUT THAT.
UNDERSTANDABILITY, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER POINT? WELL, THE, THE REASON I MADE THE COMMENT THAT I ASKED IF STAFF IS, BECAUSE THIS WAS SOMEWHAT THE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE BRIDGE STREET, UM, CORRIDOR, AND THAT IS A FORM-BASED CODE.
SO YOU, YOU AS A COMMISSION, YOU HAVE DEALT WITH HAVING A FORM BASED CODE IN, IN PLACE.
SO WHEN WE WERE INITIALLY GOING THROUGH THE SAME STAFF PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'RE DOING NOW, BUT DOING IT THEN FOR THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, ORIGINALLY STAFF, EVERYTHING WAS FOCUSED ON THE OCLC SITE.
THAT'S THE AREA THAT THEY ENVISIONED THAT WAS GONNA GET DEVELOPED.
AND IT COMPLETELY SWITCHED GEARS IT WHEN THEY WERE BROUGHT A PROJECT IN, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAD BEEN DISCUSSING WITH DEVELOPERS ON HOW THE OCLC SITE, WE LOOKED AT LIKE ROAD CONNECTIONS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT IN THAT PROCESS IS SWITCHED TO THE PROPERTY AT BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION I, I WAS OF, OF WHAT THE GOAL STAFF WAS USING TO GET OUT OF THIS.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENT? YEAH, I HAVE ONE COMMENT AS I, I KNOW WE NEED TO MOVE ON, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD CHALLENGE US AS A COMMISSION TO BE A LOT MORE OPEN-MINDED TO THIS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANOTHER BRIDGE PARK.
WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE MORE OF THE SAME THAT WE'VE GOTTEN IN DELVIN, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA WAIVER 40, WHAT'S THAT? 43 WAIVERS.
I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, I THINK I, AGAIN, I, I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY OPEN-MINDED JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT CONCEPT AND IT JUST, I, WE DON'T WANT TO PIGEON PIGEONHOLE OURSELVES INTO BEING STUCK WITH MORE OF THE SAME, I'M GONNA SAY IT AGAIN.
THIS IS A STARTING POINT, RIGHT? THIS IS IN, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE GONNA BASE DECISIONS ON.
THE CODE WILL BE DERIVED FROM THIS.
WE WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO MAKE DECISIONS.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH CLEARER WE NEED TO BE.
SO THE QUESTION OF USABILITY DURING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS IS PREMATURE.
THIS IS NOT WHAT WILL BE USING TO MEASURE THE DEVELOPERS WHO WALK IN.
SO THEN I GO BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE VALUES LEVEL OR FOUNDATIONS AS YOU'RE CALLING THEM.
UM, I I THINK IT'S O CONTRARY.
MR. BATAR, DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY THIS? I, I, I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST LET'S MAYBE MOVE ON WITH THE ARREST, BECAUSE HOPEFULLY IT'LL START CLARIFYING SOME OF THESE.
BUT I WANNA BE CLEAR, THIS IS A, THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT WILL BE OUR GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT'S THE BASE DOCUMENT THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON, SO THAT YES, WE, WE ARE TRYING TO FINALIZE THOSE, BUT AGAIN, HOPEFULLY SOME OF THESE ITEMS WILL BECOME A LITTLE MORE CLEAR AS, UH, AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
THAT, THAT WAS GOOD INFORMATION.
UM, SO I'M GONNA GO INTO SOME OF THE DISTRICT-WIDE DESIGN GUIDANCE, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST UPON REFLECTION OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS SO FAR, I'M GONNA TAKE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THIS THAN WHAT'S JUST PURELY PRESENTED ON THE SLIDE.
AND MAYBE TALK THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT ORGANIZING THE INFORMATION SO THAT IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIGESTIBLE FOR YOU AS, UM, A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS REVIEWING THIS, BUT ALSO FOR, UM, THE FUTURE USE OF THE COMMUNITY AS THEY START TO LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS.
UM, SO AGAIN, RETURNING TO THE DESIGN FOUNDATIONS, UM, FOR US, WE REALLY LOOKED AT THIS AS THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, TRUE LINK BETWEEN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THEMSELVES AND THE AMBITIONS OF THE REVITALIZATION PLAN AS IT WAS, UH, CONCEPTUALIZED.
UM, SO EACH OF THESE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GOING INTO TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DETAIL, REALLY KIND OF HOLD UP THE INTENT OF THIS AS AN OVERALL PLAN.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ECOLOGICAL URBANISM, YOU KNOW,
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MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE INTENTFUL WITH THE WAY THAT WE THINK ABOUT THE SORT OF NATURAL SYSTEMS ON THE SITE, THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE EXPRESSION OF THE LANDSCAPE AND THE EXPRESSION OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, TO THESE NATURAL SYSTEMS. UM, THINKING ABOUT THIS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, DEGREE OF SUSTAINABILITY, NOT NECESSARILY JUST AS SYSTEMS AND THE WAY THAT WE THINK ABOUT, UM, THE REGENERATION OF ENERGY AND PRODUCTION OF ENERGY, BUT ALSO IN THE WAY THAT WE EXPRESS THE EXPERIENCE OF NATURE WITHIN OUR DAY-TO-DAY LIVES.YOU KNOW, PORTIONS OF THIS CAN EXIST ON THE FACADES OF THESE BUILDINGS WITHIN THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE, BUT ALSO WITHIN THE INTERIORS OF THESE BUILDINGS AS WELL.
AND REALLY THINKING ABOUT THIS AS A COMPREHENSIVE EXPERIENCE AND NOT SOMETHING THAT CHANGES FROM INSIDE TO OUTSIDE, BUT BLEEDS BETWEEN THE TWO.
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT CITIES FOR PEOPLE, I MEAN, THESE ARE CORE TENANTS TO STRONG URBAN DESIGN, AND IT GOES PAST THAT OF CREATING SOMETHING THAT IS SCALED TO AN INDIVIDUAL, BUT CREATING IN ENVIRONMENTS THAT ARE WALKABLE, THAT ARE USABLE.
THINGS THAT YOU CERTAINLY DON'T FIND AT METRO CENTER TODAY AS AN OFFICE PARK OR THE SORT OF SERIES OF STORMWATER PONDS MAKING SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE THAT DON'T NECESSARILY LIVE OR WORK WITHIN METRO CENTER, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT AS A SENSE OF PRIDE AND A PLACE THAT THEY WANT TO GO TO VISIT AND BECOME A PART OF.
UM, PART OF THAT ALSO HAPPENS THROUGH THE EXPRESSION OF THE EXPRESSION OF THE ARCHITECTURE AS WELL, CREATING A SENSE OF PLACE AND IDENTITY.
AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT BRIDGE PARK, I'M WILLING TO BET THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MIND FOR YOU IS THAT BEAUTIFUL BRIDGE CONNECTION BEFORE BETWEEN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND BRIDGE PARK ITSELF, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THESE PLACES, CREATING THOSE LANDMARKS, CREATING THOSE, UM, PLACES THAT IMMEDIATELY COME TO MIND WHEN YOU SAY METRO CENTER IS AT THE HEART OF, YOU KNOW, CREATING CITIES FOR PEOPLE.
UH, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ORGAN ORGANIC AND RATIONALIZED RATIONALISTIC URBAN DESIGN, THIS REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE WAY THAT THESE BLOCKS, STREETS, CONNECTIONS, OPEN SPACES, ARE ALL THOUGHT ABOUT IN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE ORGANIZED.
YOU NEED TO CREATE THESE PLACES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, EASILY NAVIGABLE TO SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T GO THERE EVERY DAY TO SOMEBODY THAT'S COMING FROM AN ADJACENT COMMUNITY, BUT THEN CREATING MOMENTS WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR SURPRISE WHEN WE TURN AROUND A CORNER AND WE SEE SOMETHING NEW AND UNEXPECTED.
UM, THINKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPECIAL BUILDINGS AND NEIGHBORHOOD FABRIC.
NOT EVERY BUILDING CAN BE A FRANK GARY CAN BE INCREDIBLY, YOU KNOW, EXPRESSIVE IN ITS NATURE.
THERE ARE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE TO ACT TO SUPPORT THIS AS A COMMUNITY ON THE DAY-TO-DAY.
AND OF COURSE, THERE ARE THESE MOMENTS WHERE WE WANT TO COME TOGETHER THROUGH VARIOUS FORMS OF CELEBRATION AND IDENTIFY METRO CENTER AS THE SORT OF FUTURE OF DUBLIN.
UM, SO AGAIN, THESE FOUNDATIONS ARE REALLY THE BRIDGE BETWEEN THE WORK AND THE INTENTIONS OF THE REVITALIZATION PLAN AND HOW WE START TO THINK ABOUT TRANSITIONING THOSE IDEALS THAT CAME FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE ASPIRATIONS OF DUBLIN AS A CITY AND THE SITE ITSELF TO THIS NEXT STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN METRO CENTER.
NOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE GOALS THEMSELVES, I THINK THE BEST WAY TO READ INTO THESE VARIOUS GOALS ARE THESE ARE THE SORT OF OVERLAPPING, SORT OF, YOU KNOW, INTENTIONS, IF YOU WILL, OF EACH OF THOSE DESIGN FOUNDATIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEBODY LOOKING AT THIS DOCUMENT FOR THE FIRST TIME, EACH OF THOSE LITTLE ICONS THAT ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THESE EIGHT DIFFERENT GOALS LINK BACK TO THOSE FOUNDATIONS, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT FOSTERING A SENSE OF PLACE AND IDENTITY, THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC TO, YOU KNOW, ECOLOGICAL URBANISM, BIOPHILIC DESIGN IN CITIES FOR PEOPLE.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT THESE GOALS IS SOMETHING THAT BEGINS TO INTRODUCE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE THINK ABOUT THIS PLACE IN THE FUTURE AND THE WAY THAT IT SORT OF STEMS FROM THE INTENTIONS OF THE REVITALIZATION PLAN ITSELF.
UM, AND AGAIN, I, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REALLY GREAT DISCUSSION THAT'S GONE ON, AND I THINK FOR BOTH THIS AND THE STRATEGIES, I'LL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT ITS, YOU KNOW, INTENT AND SORT OF USABILITY WITHIN THE PLAN, BUT WON'T NECESSARILY GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE BULLETS JUST SO WE CAN SPEND SOME TIME TALKING THROUGH, UM, YOUR REACTION TO THEM.
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT EACH OF THE STRATEGIES, AGAIN, AS MARTIN HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, THEY'RE SEPARATED INTO THREE KEY CATEGORIES, SITE ARCHITECTURE, LANDSCAPE, AND PUBLIC REALM.
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT SITE, THIS IS REALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE ADAPTABILITY OF THIS IS A PLAN.
WE KNOW THAT THE DIVERSE OWNERSHIP OF METRO CENTER IS A CHALLENGE, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE WAY IN WHICH WE THINK ABOUT PHASING AND IMPLEMENTING WILL NEED TO CHANGE OVER TIME.
THE INTENTIONS OF THIS PLAN SET FORTH A VERY STRONG VISION, BUT THESE STRATEGIES WITHIN THE SITE COMPONENT ALLOW FOR THE CHANGE OF THIS FRAMEWORK AS THIS IS BUILT OUT ON EACH OF THESE SPREADS.
THE WAY THAT THE, THE INFORMATION IS PRESENTED IS EVERY SPREAD IS SORT OF DEDICATED TO A SPECIFIC STRATEGY.
THE INITIAL PARAGRAPH REALLY STARTS TO GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE INTENT OF THAT PARTICULAR STRATEGY.
IT IS ALSO ACCOMPANIED BY A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW THIS STRATEGY CAN BE ACHIEVED, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SAYING YOU NEED TO DO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, BUT IT IS A WAY OF SORT OF PURSUING THESE STRATEGIES AS A WAY OF FULFILLING THIS PLAN.
THE ACCOMPANY ACCOMPANYING, UH, PRECEDENT IMAGES AND THE, UM, UH, ACCOMPANYING WORDS BELOW EACH IMAGE COME DIRECTLY FROM THAT TEXT, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT PHOTO VIIC, UH, PANELS, SOLAR EXPOSURE, SHADING ELEMENTS, THESE
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ARE WORDS THAT ARE PULLED DIRECTLY FROM, UH, THE TEXT ITSELF.AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT TO SORT OF BOLD THOSE WORDS WITHIN THESE, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT SORT OF GRAPHIC LINK BETWEEN THE PRECEDENTS AND THE WAY THAT THEY'RE APPLIED AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS THEY'VE BEEN OUTLINED FOR EACH OF THE VARIOUS STRATEGIES.
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ARCHITECTURE, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE HOLDING PEOPLE TO TASK, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE IMPLEMENTATION DESIGN AND SORT OF PRESENTATION OF, UH, THE VARIOUS PROJECTS THAT WILL BE PRESENTED ON SITE THROUGH THESE STRATEGIES.
AGAIN, THESE ARE SITE-WIDE STRATEGIES AND ARE SORT OF UNDERLYING THE INTENTIONS OF EVERYTHING THAT, UH, THIS PLAN SORT OF STANDS FOR.
UM, THESE VARIOUS STRATEGIES RANGE FOR EVERYTHING FROM MATERIAL APPLICATION TO THE ENGAGEMENT OF CERTAIN, UH, STREET FRONTAGES, UM, TO THE WAY THAT WE THINK ABOUT EXISTING BUILDINGS ON SITE, AND THEIR POTENTIAL FUTURE NEEDS.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS, UH, PROJECT.
AS WE KNOW THAT THIS PROJECT CAN'T SIMPLY WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN.
WE CAN'T JUST START FROM SCRATCH THEIR EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT WE NEED TO RESPOND TO RESPECT AND MAKE SURE ARE A PART OF THIS PLAN.
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, SEPARATED OUT INTO THEIR OWN ACCOMPANYING SPREAD TO TALK ABOUT NOT ONLY THE INTENTION OF THE STRATEGY, BUT THE WAYS IN WHICH SOMEBODY MIGHT REALIZE THIS THROUGH A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND PRECEDENTS.
UM, ON THE PIECE ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY TOO, UM, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION IN THIS THAT AGAIN, ISN'T JUST ABOUT ENERGY, RIGHT? WHEN WE THINK ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, IT COMES DOWN TO SYSTEMS TOO.
STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS AND THE MATERIALS THAT WE CHOOSE TO USE, THE WAY IN WHICH WE'RE SOURCING MATERIALS REGIONALLY OR LOCALLY, UM, THE WAY THAT WE THINK ABOUT SOLAR EXPOSURE AND THE SORT OF WINDOW TO WALL RATIO THAT WE EXPECT FOR THESE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, SITEWIDE RE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHEN WE GET INTO THE CHARACTER AREAS, THESE BECOME FAR MORE SPECIFIC AND THE SORT OF DIMENSIONAL CONSTRAINTS THAT WE, UH, BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT.
THE RATIOS, AGAIN, OF WINDOW TO WALL PERMEABILITY, UM, APPLICATIONS OF BALCONIES, EVEN ADD THAT NEXT LAYER OF DETAIL TO THE SORT OF SITE-WIDE STRATEGIES FOR ARCHITECTURE, UH, SIMILAR TO ARCHITECTURE, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT LANDSCAPE IN PUBLIC REALM, UM, THE SERIES OF STRATEGIES ARE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, RIGHT? IT'S APPLICATION OF VERY SPECIFIC MATERIALS.
SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, WEATHERABILITY OF THESE MATERIALS, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A VERY SPECIFIC LIST OF WHAT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED.
AND WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE A MATERIAL WORKS IN MASSACHUSETTS, MICHIGAN, CALIFORNIA, FLORIDA, IT MIGHT NOT WORK HERE, RIGHT? AND SO THERE'S AN INTENTION IN MAKING SURE THAT THROUGH THESE STRATEGIES AND THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, A STRONG LIST OF MATERIALS THAT CAN BE USED.
THERE'S A CERTAIN PERFORMANCE STANDARD THAT WE'RE EXPECTING, UM, AND A CERTAIN EXPRESSION OF THE WAY IN WHICH THE LANDSCAPE SHOULD BE APPLIED.
UH, AND AGAIN, GETTING BACK TO THIS, UH, IDEA OF INCREMENTAL CHANGE, RIGHT? AS IT IS TODAY.
I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TO TALK, UM, WITH EVERYBODY WITHIN, UM, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, THESE CATALYTIC SITE SITES START TO KICK OFF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UH, FRANZ ROAD FOR US HAS ALWAYS BEEN THIS SORT OF NATURAL STARTING POINT AS IT IS THIS SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, FRONT DOOR, IF YOU WILL, FROM FRANZ ROAD INTO THE SITE.
UM, BUT THINKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS, ONE LAYER IN BECOMES SLIGHTLY MORE COMPLICATED.
HOW WE THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE WE CREATE THIS, YOU KNOW, STRONG SENSE OF PLACE DAY ONE, UM, BUT ARE BEING RESPECTFUL OF THE EXISTING TENANTS AND, UH, LANDOWNERS THAT ARE THERE TODAY.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS, UM, ONCE WE GET TO SOME OF THE CHARACTER AREAS FURTHER IN THE PRESENTATION.
UH, SO AGAIN, WE WILL PAUSE BEFORE GETTING INTO THE CHARACTER AREA DESCRIPTIONS TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE SPECIFIC TOPICS.
SHOULD WE START THE OPPOSITE END THIS TIME, HILLARY? WELL, I, I DEFINITELY LIKE THIS PART OF IT BETTER, AND I, I, AND PERHAPS MY EARLIER CRANKINESS WAS BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT OR THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WERE ASKING, AND SO WHICHEVER ONE OF YOU GUYS DESIGNED THESE QUESTIONS, SO NOW I DO UNDERSTAND, I THINK, AND PROBABLY GOT IT WRONG YET AGAIN.
UM, SO
NOW TO BACK UP TO THE PREVIOUS INTRODUCTORY PARTS, I NOW ASK MYSELF, WERE THEY EVEN NECESSARY? MAYBE THEY ARE BECAUSE YOU, WE CALL IT A FUNNEL INTRODUCTION, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE CLASSIC FUNNEL, AND IF YOU'RE A FUNNEL BELIEVER, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND ALL POWER TO YOU.
I'M NOT A BIG FUNNEL FAN, SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I, UM, LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE I MIGHT WANT TO COMMENT ON.
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THING THAT I CONSTANTLY ASK MYSELF WITH WHEN I READ THIS, AND I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT IT, IT, THE QUESTION IS DOES THIS, DOES WHAT YOU'VE, YOU'RE SETTING OUT DISTINGUISH THE BRIDGE PARK AREA FROM VALUES THAT WE HAVE FOR THE WHOLE, THE CITY AS A WHOLE, LIKE BRIDGE PARK, DID I SAY BRIDGE PARK? THERE'S, THERE'S THE, THE FREUDIAN SLIP THOUGH, BECAUSE IS THIS GONNA BE BRIDGE PARK TWO? AND WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT.SO, AND IT'S NOT FROM WHAT YOU'RE CLEARLY PICTORIALLY ENVISIONING IT'S NOT, BUT, AND WHAT'S INTERESTING, YOU WERE SAYING, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF WHEN YOU SAY BRIDGE PARK? TO ME, IT'S NOT THE BRIDGE, IT'S THE TALL BUILDINGS, THE URBAN FEEL.
THIS, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, WILL BE DIFFERENT.
IT'S STILL GONNA BE AN URBAN ISH FEEL, BUT IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
I DON'T WANT A BRIDGE PARK TO, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THESE GOALS AND OTHER TERMS THAT YOU'RE USING ARE SPECIFIC ENOUGH THAT THEY SHOW A DISTINCT DISTRICT AND NOT JUST, YEAH, FOR ALL OF DUBLIN, WE WANT IT TO BE SUSTAINABLE.
ALL OF DUBLIN SHOULD BE WALKABLE.
SO THAT'S, UM, AND YET IF THEY ARE THAT BROAD, THEN YOU CERTAINLY PROVIDE SUFFICIENT FLEXIBILITY.
SO JAMIE, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE TO ADD.
I THINK I ALREADY SAID ENOUGH.
I, I THINK WE'RE STILL CONTINUE TO HEAD DOWN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I THINK THE MORE LANGUAGE WE CAN PROVIDE, THE MORE VISUALS WE CAN PROVIDE, HELPS OUR POTENTIAL APPLICANTS TO RELAY THAT, RELAY THAT VISION BACK TO US AND HOW THEY TRANSLATE THAT VISION.
SO I THINK YOU'VE PROVIDED, UH, ENOUGH DETAIL, ENOUGH INFORMATION.
I THINK THIS PAGE IS GREAT WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOME INSPIRATION IMAGE, BUT NOT, NOT TOO MUCH.
SO AGAIN, OUR APPLICANTS CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HERE'S KIND OF OUR TRANSLATION OF THE VISION.
AND I THINK YOU'RE SETTING UP A, I THINK IT'S A GREAT SETUP FOR THIS, KATHY.
SO A COUPLE THINGS COME TO MIND.
UM, WHEN WE DON'T, I, I HEAR TOTALLY, WE DON'T WANT THIS TO RESEMBLE BRIDGE PARK AND SO FORTH, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU, UM, CULTIVATE BRIDGE PARK, HISTORICAL MONTEREY, AND BRING THEM ALL TOGETHER, AND SO WE TOTALLY IDENTIFY THE DIFFERENCES OF THEM SO THAT THEN THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN SPARK.
SO YOU DON'T, UM, YOU SEE THEM VERY, VERY DIFFERENTLY.
AND THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THE WALKABILITY, THE, UH, WAY TO GET THERE IF IT'S ONE OF OUR DOUBLE AND TRANSPORTS THAT ARE TAKING PEOPLE AROUND OF ALL AGES AND SO FORTH, EASILY.
BUT, BUT BRINGING THAT ALL TOGETHER TO ME SEEMS TO BE A, A HIGH POINT INTO MAKING THIS WORK, EMBRACING THAT.
UM, BUT ALSO KEEPING IN MIND THAT, UM, I, I WANT MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE AREA TOO, AND HAVING THAT FEEL OF, OF THAT HOME LIFE FEEL AS WELL TOO.
SO JUST THROWING, THROWING THAT IN, AND I'LL SAVE SOME OF MY OTHER COMMENTS FOR SOME OTHER THINGS.
GARY, I MAY BE JUMPING AHEAD TO SOME OF THE LANGUAGE I SAW IN OTHER PARTS OF THE REPORT, BUT, BUT, UM, I'M GONNA FOCUS ON THE, THE LAST OF THE ITEMS BECAUSE A COUPLE PLACES IN THE REPORT, THERE'S, THERE ARE THINGS I THINK ARE IMPORTANT FROM AN URBAN DESIGN POINT OF VIEW, SOMEWHAT CONTRARY, WHERE IN SOME AREAS IT TALKS ABOUT MAINTAINING STREET WALL, MAINTAINING STREET EDGE.
AND I LOOK AT THE, UH, ECONOMETRICS AND I CAN SEE PARTICULARLY THE, THE STREETS THAT ARE GOING NORTH, SOUTH HOW WELL THOSE ARE DEFINED.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME PLACES THAT SAY, VARIETY OF BUILDING HEIGHTS AND, AND SOME VARIETY IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH CAN BE CONTRADICTORY TO THAT.
BUT WHAT I THINK IS APPROPRIATE, AND MAYBE THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED, IS TO, INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT IS THE EXISTING MASSIVE BUILDINGS ARE SORT OF CLUSTERED AROUND THE LAKES.
SO THOSE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT WE ARE GONNA BE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS AND WE POTENTIALLY HAVE LESS, LESS CONTROL OVER.
SO WHAT THIS PLAN IS REALLY, I THINK ONE OF THE IMPORTANT PARTS OF THIS PLAN IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NORTH SOUTH NARROW CONNECTORS AND THAT BIG SPACE.
AND THAT BIG SPACE IS WHERE ALL THE VARIETY OCCURS IN TERMS OF BUILDINGS AND HEIGHTS AND ACCOMMODATES THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
SO I THINK THE PLAN, WHAT WORKS REALLY WELL TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE.
TODAY WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T DESIGN ALL GLASS BUILDINGS, AND TODAY WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T MAKE BUILDINGS THAT LOOK THE WAY SOME OF THOSE LOOK, BUT I THINK THE PLAN WORKS PRETTY WELL TO, UM, INCORPORATE THOSE BUILDINGS WITH A NEW
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DESIGN AND CREATES BOTH A MORE URBAN SETTING AT THE EDGES AND THEN IT CHANGES IN THE MIDDLE.SO I, I, I THINK IT WORKS WELL.
UM, YEAH, I'LL RUN THROUGH THE QUESTIONS AS THEY'RE, AS THEY'RE LISTED HERE.
I DO THINK, UM, TO ANSWER THE, THE FIRST NUMBER ONE THAT, UH, IT DOES, IT DOES KIND OF SUPPORT THE EXISTING USES THERE, THE BUSINESS USE, WHILE REVITALIZING IT WITH, UM, MIXED JUICE.
AND I'LL JUMP TO THE, THE THIRD QUESTION ON REDEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THAT THAT FIRST STAGE THERE SETS THE TONE FOR THAT REDEVELOPMENT AND, AND ADDING IN THE MIXED JUICE.
I DO THINK YOU POINTED OUT THE REAL CHALLENGE AS, AS, UH, GARY ALSO ALLUDED TO IS THAT NEXT STEP, THE, THE FURTHER INTERNAL BUILDINGS.
UM, THERE'S LOTS TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF LOGISTICALLY HOW THAT WORKS, BUT, UM, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW DEVELOPERS WILL BE INCENTIVIZED TO USE THAT SPACE, KIND OF KNOWING THAT THERE COULD BE AN UNCERTAIN TIMELINE FOR THEIR, THEIR NEIGHBOR OR WHAT, YOU KNOW.
UM, THOSE ARE ALL STANDARD DEVELOPMENT QUESTIONS, I THINK, THOUGH.
SO, UM, AND THEN JUST ANSWER THE MIDDLE QUESTION.
I LOVE THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU'VE USED, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, THE, UM, DOCUMENT HERE.
UM, I, I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, HAS A LOT OF KIND OF HOPEFUL ARCHITECTURE IN THERE THAT WE'D LOVE TO SEE IN THERE.
AND SO I WON'T GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION TOO MUCH, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME WAY TO DEFINE SOME OF THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY AS WE GO.
VICKI, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION OF EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, SO YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT YOU DON'T WANT THIS TO BECOME ANOTHER, THIS CODE TO BECOME ANOTHER BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR.
SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHAT IN THERE TELLS YOU IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE THE BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR? 'CAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT THAT I'M GETTING AT WITH THE GENERALITY OF WHAT'S LISTED IN HERE FROM THAT WAS MY POINT TOO.
I, I, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT IT, IT IS GONNA BE LIKE BRIDGE.
SO, SO THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF MY EXACTLY.
IT IS KIND OF EXACTLY MY FEAR.
SO I LOOK AT, I LOOK AT, UH, A LOT OF THE TEXT HERE, AND SO WALKABLE, WHAT'S WALKABLE TO ONE PERSON IS NOT WALKABLE TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
AND SO WE STRUGGLE WITH HOW YOU ENFORCE SOMETHING BEING WALKABLE.
ONE OF THE GOALS THAT WAS IN HERE THAT I REALLY LOVED, THAT I DON'T THINK IS FOCUSED ON IS THAT DUBLIN CONNECTOR LINK.
THAT IS A GREAT GOAL TO INCORPORATE IN HERE.
AND YET IT IS A ONE LINE ITEM WITHIN THIS CODE.
AND I THINK IT'S VERY MUCH SOMETHING EVERYONE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO SEE.
AND I THINK IT'S EVERY, SOMETHING EVERYBODY WANTS ON CITY COUNCIL TO SEE HAPPEN AS WELL.
BUT IT WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST, UNLESS I MISSED IT, IT'S JUST LIKE ONE LINE ITEM IN HERE IN THIS WHOLE, LIKE, LIKE THIS IS SO FLEXIBLE AND SO WIDE THAT I COULD LOOK AT ANY ONE OF THESE GOALS AND INTERPRET IT THE WAY I WANNA INTERPRET IT FOR MY OWN PROJECT.
IF THAT, IF, IF I'M TRYING TO COMMUNICATE THIS A SENSE, LIKE IT'S SO BROAD, I THINK IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM BRIDGE PARK.
BRIDGE PARK IS NON-HIERARCHICAL.
IT DOES, THOSE BUILDINGS DON'T ADDRESS THE PARK THE WAY THEY SHOULD.
WHOSE FAULT IS THAT? WHO, WHO MADE THOSE GUIDELINES? YOU DON'T HAVE A WALL ALONG THERE.
THIS HAS A SPACE, AND THIS HAS A SPACE THAT'S CLEARLY DEFINED AND EVERYTHING FOCUSES ON THE SPACE.
SO THIS WILL BE RADICALLY DIFFERENT THAN BRIDGE PARK.
THE BUILDINGS COULD BE SIMILAR, BUT TO ME, THE PLAN STARTS FROM A VERY DIFFERENT STARTING POINT.
BIOPHILIC DESIGN, HOW MANY GREEN WALLS DO YOU SEE IN BRIDGE PARK? UH, NOT, NOT, NOT MANY.
THERE IS, UH, THERE IS ONE BUILDING THAT HAS, YEAH, A GREEN ROOF ON.
SO THIS IS, READ, READ THE TEXT, BUT LET'S, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE.
SO REALISTICALLY, SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT ARE PRESENTED HERE ARE NOT ACHIEVABLE IN CENTRAL OHIO.
SO THERE'S A LOVELY STRUCTURE THAT HAS GOT TREES ALL OVER THAT BUILDING.
WELL, I HAPPEN TO KNOW WHERE, WHERE SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE.
THERE'S MANY BUILDINGS LIKE THAT IN ARIZONA BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CLIMATE THAT SUPPORTS THAT ALL YEAR ROUND IN CENTRAL OHIO, ALL OF THOSE LEAVES ARE GONNA FALL OFF THAT TREE UNLESS YOU HAVE EVERGREEN STRUCTURE.
SO THEY'RE REALLY PRETTY PICTURES, BUT THEN THEY DON'T, THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY GONNA TRANSLATE TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IN CENTRAL OHIO WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO, SO THAT'S BACK TO MY POINT ABOUT
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THE PICTURES ARE IMPORTANT, THE WORDS ARE IMPORTANT, THE GRAPHICS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE RELEVANT.A LOT OF THESE PICTURES WITH ALL OF THE GREEN, THAT'S NOT CENTRAL OHIO.
I MEAN, IT, THAT'S WHERE IT GETS TO ME WHEN I LOOK AT IT.
WHY I FEEL IT'S SO BROAD IS BECAUSE LIKE SOME OF THE, UM, REALLY HIGH END, UH, VERY UNUSUAL STRUCTURES THAT ARE PICTURED IN HERE, I DON'T ULTIMATELY THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET ON IN METRICS CENTER.
AND IT'S GREAT TO PRESENT THOSE IMAGES, BUT THEY'RE ALSO PRESENTING THOSE IMAGES TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I MADE THIS COMMENT WHEN WE SAT AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, THIS GIVES YOU THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU'RE TEARING EVERYTHING DOWN IN METRO CENTER AND STARTING FRESH A NEW, AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE GOAL OF WHAT WAS INTENDED TO HAPPEN FROM THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS IS COMMUNICATING TO ME.
BUT AGAIN, THE INTENT, IT'S THE INTENT AND THE INTENT IS THAT THERE'S GREEN BUILDINGS, RIGHT? MAYBE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE TAPERED BACK A LITTLE BIT TO BE MORE RELEVANT TO THIS AREA, BUT STILL, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THINGS LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, THE GARAGE ON THE LIBRARY HAS VINES GROWING UP, BUT THAT ARE DOING VERY WELL.
SO YOU CAN DO STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, AND I'M JUST, I KNOW DAN, BUT I'M JUST, I'M GONNA KEEP ROLLING FOR YOU.
SO I HAVE, SO I, THIS IS WHAT I WAS GONNA COMMENT ON.
AGAIN, IT'S SO, I, I THINK EVERYTHING'S GREAT HERE, RIGHT? IT'S GETTING IT TAILORED TO THE AUDIENCE.
AND SO WHEN I LOOK, I'M IN THE, LIKE, LL LRP THREE, THAT SECTION, AND I'M LOOKING UNDER IN THE PICTURES.
THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, PROFESSIONAL JARGON.
UM, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? CL CLEAR PRIMARY INTENT, WI WITH A PICTURE.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS, SO IS THERE A WAY TO ONE, TAILOR THE PICTURES TO GET TO A SPECIFIC POINT? OR MAYBE THERE'S A, THERE'S A NOTE ON IT THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHAT THIS IMPLIES, YOU KNOW, CLEAR.
YOU KNOW, IT JUST, I THINK IT WOULD BE SO HELPFUL TO DO THAT.
I THINK THAT REALLY GETS IT MORE USEFUL FOR US IF, IF THE PICTURES AND THE WORDS AND THE DIAGRAMS ALL ARE COMMUNICATING THE SAME THING.
AND I, I KNOW IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO FIND PHOTOGRAPHS TO MATCH THE THINGS.
BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK THIS DOCUMENT IS GREAT.
THIS IS, THIS DOCUMENT COULD BE A, I MEAN A, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THESE ALL OVER, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF THESE LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S VERY, IT'S IT'S INTENT.
IT'S VERY MUCH ABOUT GRAPHICS.
IT'S ABOUT WHAT WE WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE.
AND USUALLY IT'S A COUPLE RENDERINGS TO SAY HERE THIS, BUT THIS IS REALLY GOOD STUFF.
IT JUST GETTING IT TO THE RIGHT RELEVANCY TO THE INTENT THAT WE WANT.
UM, DAN, I'LL COME JUST QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW MUCH MORE THIS PUTS ON US TO MAKE SURE IT'S MATCHING WHAT WE THINK THE INTENT IS.
AND SO IT'S STILL DOABLE, BUT IT'S HARD, HARDER TO DEFEND.
THAT IS THE 800 POUND GORILLA QUESTION IS IT PUTS A LOT ON THE COMMISSION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR BACKUP, RIGHT? BACK TO HILLARY'S COMMENT ABOUT THERE'S THE LEGAL SIDE TO THIS.
I, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY, I I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS WITH THE EYE OF ME SITTING HERE USING THIS AND YEAH.
IS IT WHEN, SO GENERAL THAT IT'S THE POINT OF BEING UNUSABLE, BUT WE CAN MR. GUITAR, I JUST WANT, AS WE CONTINUE THE PRESENTATION, THIS IS VERY, THIS IS VERY HELPFUL TO US.
I, I THINK AS WE CONTINUE TO GO FROM THE BROAD TO THE MORE SPECIFIC WITH THE PRESENTATION, UH, I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION AS ANTHONY AND MARTIN ARE SHOWING SOME OF THE GRAPHICS THAT WE WERE VERY DELIBERATE IN WANTING TO DO THE 3D MODELING, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T SHOW, UH, ALL ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING PRECISELY TO CONVEY THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT BUILDINGS IN ISOLATION.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT LANDSCAPES AND ISOLATION.
WE'RE LOOKING WITH THE INTENT STATEMENTS.
AND IF WE HAVEN'T DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THAT, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE TO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO DEVELOP HERE IS ALL OF THOSE WORK TOGETHER.
AND SO THE TEST THAT WE WERE GIVEN BY CITY COUNCIL IS, RICH PARK HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL THAT THE INTENT IS TO TRY TO REPLICATE THE SUCCESS OF BRIDGE PARK, BUT NOT THE, UH, HAVE A COOKIE CUTTER SO THAT IT'S EVERYWHERE.
SO THE INTENT OF THIS ONE AS, UH, WAS MENTIONED, IS TO CREATE THIS DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT.
AND THIS IS NOT A FORM-BASED CODE.
THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE AGAIN, UH, AS WE GET INTO THE SPECIFICS, WE'LL TRY TO CONVEY THE CHARACTER AREAS AND WHAT THE INTENT IS GONNA BE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A STRICT GRID OR EVEN THE ORIENTATION TOWARD, TOWARDS
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THE WATERWAY PARK.WE CAN'T SAY IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN SETBACK.
WE CAN CONVEY THE INTENT BECAUSE THOSE PARCELS DON'T EXIST.
SO IT'S A TRICKY ONE TO, IT'S A VERY AMBITIOUS PROJECT.
DUBLIN HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TRIED IN OTHER PLACES.
UH, JUST WANTED TO SET THAT AS KIND OF PART OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS AS WE'VE, I JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK SUGGESTION.
KIM WAS SAYING, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO DO FINE PHOTOGRAPHS FOR EVERYTHING.
IS THERE ANY REASON YOU CAN'T BE CREATIVE AND JUST DRAW IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING IN YOUR HEAD? CAN'T WE HA SORT OF THE FOCUS YOU NEED TO, SORRY, I NEED TO ADDRESS THE IMAGES.
'CAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S COME UP.
WE, WE GET, WE GET INSPIRATION IMAGES FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT APPLICANTS.
AND FROM ONE BEING ONE OF THE CREATIVE ONLY CREATIVE PEOPLE UP HERE, THESE ARE GREAT IMAGES.
I THINK THEY'RE, THEY NEED TO BE ASPIRATIONAL, THEY NEED TO BE INSPIRATIONAL.
AND THEY, WE ARE NOT SHOWING, WE DO NOT WANNA SHOW IMAGES OF BUILD THIS, BUILD THIS, BUILD THIS AND USE INSPIRE.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THESE ARE DOING.
SO I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH SHOWING IMAGES THAT WE WANT.
YOU'RE TALKING, YOU'RE SHOWING THESE ORGANIC IMAGES, YOU'RE SHOWING THINGS, SOFT, SOFT, SOFT, SOFTENING BUILDINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO BUILD EXACTLY THIS.
I THINK WE NEED TO THINK MORE CREATIVELY.
'CAUSE WE SEE IMAGES LIKE THIS ON OTHER APPLICATIONS TOO.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT SAYING BUILD THIS JUST LIKE THIS.
IT'S CONCEPTUALLY, IT'S THE IDEA OF IT, IT'S THE FEEL, IT'S THE LOOK OF IT, IT'S NOT, NOT EXACT.
SO I I I, I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS, I DON'T, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DEVIATE.
WE, WE NEED TO STAY ASPIRATIONAL HERE.
AND, AND JAMIE, I'M NOT SAYING THE IMAGES ARE WRONG, I THINK THEY'RE GOOD.
IT'S JUST THAT THE WORDS THAT MATCH UP TO THEM.
AND I, AND IT'S NOT, I AGREE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BUILD WHAT'S IN THE PICTURE, BUT WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS PICTURE THAT WE WANT TO ASPIRE TO? THAT'S WHAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE CLEAR.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR RIGHT NOW.
WELL, THIS IS A WONDERFUL DISCUSSION.
I HAVE TO SAY, I ACTUALLY AM REALLY ENJOYING THIS.
AND I FEEL LIKE THE ONLY REASON THAT IT IS THIS WAY IS BECAUSE WE CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THIS PLACE AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THE SORT OF CAPABILITY OF WHAT DUBLIN HAS BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE IN THE FUTURE.
SO IT'S A WONDERFUL DISCUSSION.
UM, SO NOW INTO THE CHARACTER AREA.
SO I THINK THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, NEXT LEVEL OF DETAIL, UM, THAT WE'VE STARTED TO DISCUSS AND INTRODUCE IN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS SECTIONS.
AGAIN, EVERY SORT OF INTRODUCTION OF THESE VARIOUS, UM, CHAPTERS OR, YOU KNOW, SECTIONS OF THE, UM, GUIDELINES ITSELF ARE ALWAYS WORKING DOWN, RIGHT? SO AMBITIONS OF THE SITE, UM, YEAH, THE FUNNEL
AND NOW AS WE START TO DEFINE THE CHARACTER AREAS, THIS IS WHERE WE START TO REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW THESE THINGS REALLY RESPOND AND EMBOLDEN THE VARIOUS CHARACTERISTICS OF WHAT HAS BEEN CONCEPTUALIZED IN THE REVITALIZATION PLAN.
UM, SO AS MAR HAD INDICATED EARLIER, UH, WE HAVE THIS MAP THAT STARTS TO LAY OUT THE VARIOUS, UH, CHARACTER AREAS AS WE'VE STARTED TO DISCUSS THEM.
UM, I'LL PROBABLY BETTER TO USE THE FOLLOWING SLIDES TO REALLY DISCUSS THESE IN DETAIL.
BUT REALLY I THINK THESE ARE MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE RESPOND TO THE EXISTING CONTEXT SENSITIVELY? UM, AS WE THINK ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS ACROSS FROM FRAN ROAD, HOW DO WE SIGNAL THE SORT OF FUTURE OF, UH, DUBLIN AND METRO CENTER TO THOSE DRIVING BY ON THE HIGHWAY ON TWO 70? UM, HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, APPROPRIATELY RESPONDING TO THE CONDITIONS OF METRO PLACE NORTH AND SOUTH WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT AND INTEGRATING THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT EXISTS THERE.
UH, WHEN WE LOOK TO COS GRAY RUN AS THIS SORT OF NATURAL LANDSCAPE, HOW DO WE PRESERVE AND ENHANCE THAT AND MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT'S MORE USABLE AND BECOMES AN AMENITY FOR THOSE MANY, UH, OFFICES THERE TODAY? WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE AREA TO THE SOUTH, SOUTHEAST AND THE SORT OF SMALLER, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, I THINK THIS IS REALLY LESS ABOUT TRYING TO FRAME THE FUTURE OF IT, BUT HOW THIS MAY SORT OF BUILD OUT, ADAPT AND RESPOND TO SOME OF THE ADJACENT CHARACTER AREAS AND CONTEXT THAT'S BEING DEFINED WITHIN THIS MAP.
UH, SO STARTING FIRST WITH FRANZ ROAD GATEWAY.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW BOSSMAN BROUGHT THIS UP AND I THINK WE'VE ALLUDED TO IT A LOT THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, IF WE SPEAK SPECIFICALLY, HONESTLY TO THE ETHOS OF SASAKI AS A FIRM FOR US, WE BE BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY IN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LANDSCAPE AND THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
AND THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE INHERENTLY LINKED.
SO AS WE THINK ABOUT THESE MORE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES, THEY'RE MEANT TO EMBOLDEN THIS RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LANDSCAPE AND THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
SO AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE SPECIFIC SPREAD OR ONE SPECIFIC SERIES OF GUIDELINES AND SORT OF, UM, RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE FOR LANDSCAPE OR ARCHITECTURE.
THESE THINGS ARE MEANT TO WORK IN CONCERT.
UH, SO AS WE THINK ABOUT IN THE WAY THAT THAT'S APPLIED TO THE FRAN ROAD GATEWAY EDGE, THESE FOUR SORT OF THEMES, IF YOU WILL, UH, START TO ELICIT THESE VARIOUS, UH, OVERLAPS BETWEEN LANDSCAPE AND ARCHITECTURE.
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IMPORTANTLY, UH, THIS FIRST ONE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CREATING A GATEWAY IN SENSE OF ARRIVAL.THIS IS REALLY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, AS WE INTRODUCE, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS OF DUBLIN TO THE SITE AND THOSE FROM ADJACENT COMMUNITIES, HOW DO WE START TO ESTABLISH, UM, WHAT METRO CENTER WILL BE IN THE FUTURE? UH, LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTING THE VIEW, GO VIEW CORRIDORS, AND, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THE SORT OF SENSE OF VISUAL INTEREST.
THIS REALLY COMES DOWN TO HOW THE ARCHITECTURE AND LANDSCAPE BEGINS TO FRAME THE WAY THAT WE TRANSITION INTO THE WATERWAY PARK AND THESE SORT OF LANDSCAPE EXPERIENCES HELD WITHIN.
UM, THINKING ABOUT THIS AS A LINEAR PARK SPACE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BEING VERY SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THINKING ABOUT NOT NECESSARILY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY UP AJA ADJACENT TO, UM, THE BACK EDGE OF FRANZ ROAD, BUT REALLY ALLOWING THIS LANDSCAPE TO BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN CONNECT US NORTH AND SOUTH, BUT ALSO PROVIDES A BUFFER THAT ALLOWS, UM, FOR ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES.
AND AGAIN, THAT SORT OF MORE SENSITIVE TRANSITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, COMING UP WITH, YOU KNOW, ENSURING SENSITIVE TRANSITION TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
SOME OF THIS GETS INTO THE MORE SPECIFICS OF HOW WE HANDLE HEIGHT.
UM, SO RESTRICTIONS OF HEIGHT AS WE, UH, TRANSITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS THE STREET BECOMES INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THE WAY THAT WE THINK ABOUT PARTICULAR ARCHITECTURE ELEMENTS, JUST AS MUCH.
SO, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE CERTAIN LOCATIONS THAT ARE MORE OR LESS APPROPRIATE FOR AMENITY DECKS, BALCONIES, YOU KNOW, GROUND FLOOR ACTIVATION AND ACCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE VARIOUS THINGS.
AND AGAIN, THIS NEXT, IF IT'LL LET ME GO, UH, THIS NEXT SLIDE IS HOW WE START TO ELICIT EACH OF THOSE VARIOUS LAYERS.
SO FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, UH, TODAY WE HAVE AN INCLUDED ALL OF THESE FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE CHARACTER AREAS.
BUT WITHIN THE LONGER, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINE DOCUMENT, THIS IS HOW WE START TO SHARE WITH AND BEGIN TO ELICIT THESE VERY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE, UH, FIRST, UM, SEGMENTS OF THE PRESENTATION.
THESE ARE ALWAYS LINKED NOT ONLY WITH, UH, TEXT, BUT ALSO PRECEDENT AND ILLUSTRATION.
UM, IN THIS INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN PICK UP SOME OF WHAT'S BEING SHOWN GRAPHICALLY ON THIS SLIDE TO SORT OF INDICATE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CERTAIN ELEMENTS WITHIN THE IMAGE TO THE TEXT.
I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, UM, IN THE STRATEGIES EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION.
UM, SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH WE START TO THINK ABOUT, UH, THESE VARIOUS THEMES FOR THESE DIFFERENT AREAS, UH, IN THE WAY THAT THEY NEED TO RESPOND TO SPECIFIC LANDSCAPE AND ARCHITECTURAL CONSIDERATIONS.
UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT WATERWAY PARK, THIS IS REALLY THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, HEART OF THE PLAN, THE SORT OF BIG MOVE, IF YOU WILL, THAT IS REALLY SORT OF REDEFINING THE CHARACTER OF THIS AS A DISTRICT.
UM, WITH THAT, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A RANGE OF ACTIVITIES THAT WE ARE SORT OF ENVISIONING HERE.
AND THESE GUIDELINES IN MANY WAYS NEED TO SUPPORT, FACILITATE AND MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, KEPT AND WITHHELD WITHIN THE FUTURE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
AS WE THINK ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, A BIG PART OF THIS IS ESTABLISHING THAT SENSE OF AN ECOLOGICAL HEART, RIGHT? SO TODAY, IF WE, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE, THE WATERWAY OR THE SORT OF PONDS THAT EXIST TODAY, THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, PIECE OF, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND THOSE WHO MIGHT INHABIT METRO CENTER THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE FOR METRO CENTER IN THE FUTURE.
SO WITHIN THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TAKEN THOSE PONDS FROM THE EDGE, BROUGHT IT TO THE CENTER, AND REALLY MADE IT THE FOCAL POINT, UM, OF THIS AS A DESIGN SOLUTION.
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THIS AS A SOCIAL HEART FOR DUBLIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME, GATHER, CELEBRATE, UM, BE THE START OF, YOU KNOW, CELEBRATORY PARADES AND THINGS LIKE THIS.
AND AGAIN, TRYING TO ESTABLISH THIS WATERWAY AS THAT SORT OF CENTRAL PIECE OF THIS AS A SOCIAL HEART FOR THE PLAN, UM, ENABLING CONNECTIONS WITH THE WATER.
THIS COMES DOWN TO MORE SPECIFIC GUIDANCE REGARDING HOW WE HANDLE THE LANDSCAPE AND THE WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN INTERACT WITH THE WATERWAY ITSELF, YOU KNOW, IN, YOU KNOW, IS THERE'S SPECIFIC MOMENTS WHERE IT'S MEANT TO BE MORE OF A, UM, ECOLOGICAL TRANSITION THAT HELPS TO FILTER THE WATER.
ARE THERE MOMENTS WHERE WE ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO GET DOWN, TOUCH AND INTERACT WITH THE WATER'S EDGE? ARE THERE PLACES IN WHICH WE CAN CROSS BEYOND OR ACROSS THESE VARIOUS WATERWAYS IN VERY INTENTIONAL WAYS? ARE THERE WAYS OF ALLOWING FOR ACTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROGRAM AND SORT OF SPILL OUT OF RESTAURANTS TO HAPPEN ALONG THIS WATERWAY? AGAIN, ALL INCLUDED WITHIN THE SORT OF, UM, SPECIFIC LAYERS OF THESE GUIDELINES.
UM, AND THEN BEING VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW WE CREATE MEMORABLE DESTINATIONS.
SOME OF THIS IS THE SORT OF FRAMING AND POSITIONING OF THESE ELEMENTS WITHIN THE PLAN.
IN OTHER CASES, IT'S HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TALK ABOUT THIS SORT OF, UH, RATIONALISTIC AND SORT OF ORGANIC, UM, EXPRESSION OF, OF THE, UM, THE PLAN ITSELF.
DO THESE THINGS PROTRUDE OUT SO THAT THEY BECOME EXTREMELY VISIBLE EITHER FROM FRAN ROAD OR OTHER PARTS OF THE PLAN, AND THEN OF COURSE, ANTICIPATING INTERIM CONDITIONS.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER SAMPLE SPREAD OF HOW WE MAY START TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS AGAIN, IS MEANT TO UNDERLINE THE IMPORTANCE OF HOW WE BUILD OUT AND THINK ABOUT THE INTERIM CONDITIONS OF THE PLANET TO TALK ABOUT A FEW SOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE STARTED TO OUTLINE HERE.
SOME OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, VERY LIGHT TOUCHES.
HOW DO WE SIMPLY SCREEN, UM, FROM THESE NEW MORE CELEBRATORY SPACES, UM, AWAY FROM THE PARKING THAT MAY NEED
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TO EXIST FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? HOW DO WE BEGIN TO ACTIVATE IN PLACES THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FACILITATE, UM, PERMANENT RETAIL OR PERMANENT SORT OF ENTERTAINMENT VENUES OF SOME KIND? ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS TO ALLOW FOR THIS ACTIVATION OF THE PLAN TO EXIST.AND THEN POSSIBLY, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THINKING ABOUT IS THERE SPECIFIC GUIDANCE AROUND THE EXISTING TENANTS THAT ARE THERE TODAY THAT MAY NOT WANT TO MOVE? RIGHT? SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE RETROFIT OF THOSE GROUND FLOORS, THOSE FACADES, UH, THE LANDSCAPES THAT ARE DIRECTLY OUTSIDE OF THEIR DOOR, HOW DO THOSE START TO COMPLY AND BECOME A PART OF THIS LARGER VISION, UH, FOR METRO CENTER? UM, GETTING THE COSWAY RUN, AGAIN, I, I HINTED A LITTLE BIT AT THE FACT THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ALREADY THIS, YOU KNOW, NICE SORT OF SMALLER NATURAL ASSET TO THE SITE TODAY.
THERE'S A WONDERFUL LITTLE PATH AND THIS NICE LITTLE STREAM CORRIDOR.
AND SO A LOT OF THE WAYS IN WHICH WE START TO EMBOLDEN THAT THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE IS REALLY HIGHLIGHTED IN THE WAY THAT WE PRESERVE AND PROTECT THIS AS A CORRIDOR.
IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE WATERWAY, RIGHT? THE WATERWAY ACTS AS THIS SORT OF ECOLOGICAL SYSTEM AND THE SORT OF FOCAL POINT OF, UH, THIS PLACE AS A PART OF THE DESIGN.
COS GRAY RUN IS MUCH QUIETER, RIGHT? IT'S ABOUT RESPECTING THE NATURAL ECOLOGY THAT EXISTS THERE TODAY AND NOT DISTURBING IT IN THESE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, BIGGER MOVES.
AND THEN ALSO THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE DEVELOP AGAINST THIS EDGE, HOW DO WE RESPOND TO IT SENSITIVELY TODAY, MANY OF THESE BUILDINGS WITHIN METRO CENTER HAVE PARKING LOTS THAT JUST ORDER THE BACKSIDE.
IF WE THINK ABOUT NEW DEVELOPMENT, ARE THERE MORE INTENTIONAL WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN LINK ARCHITECTURE TO THIS AS A NATURAL ASSET? UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THIS BECOMES A PART OF THIS LARGER, UH, CONNECTED TRAIL CORRIDOR THAT EXISTS NOT WITH, NOT ONLY WITHIN COSWAY RUN, BUT BACK TO THE WATERWAY PARK AND THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE PLAN.
THINKING ABOUT THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, AGAIN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE THAT ARE DRIVING THROUGH AND BY, UM, TO REALLY SORT OF SIGNAL THE FUTURE OF DUBLIN.
I THINK THERE'S AN IMPORTANCE IN PRESERVING, ENHANCING THE SORT OF GREEN HIGHWAY EDGE THAT EXISTS THERE TODAY, AND, YOU KNOW, CONTINUES ALONG MUCH OF THE HIGHWAY EDGE THROUGH DUBLIN.
UM, BUT THEN ALSO THINKING ABOUT THIS AS THIS NEW MEMORABLE WESTERN GATEWAY FRANZ ROAD IS IMPORTANT.
UM, BUT THINKING ABOUT HOW WE CROSS OVER I TWO 70 AND HOW WE REALLY ANNOUNCE THIS AS A PLACE BECOMES JUST AS IMPORTANT, RIGHT? UM, AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE SHOWCASING THIS SORT OF BOLD ARCHITECTURAL PRESENCE, RIGHT? THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE A BIT MORE HEIGHT AND TO REALLY SORT OF SIGNAL, UM, THE FUTURE OF ARCHITECTURE WITHIN, UH, DUBLIN.
AND AT THIS SITE SPECIFICALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE DISTRICT STREETS SCAPES.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS SORT OF SENSITIVE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDINGS THAT BORDER METRO PLACE NORTH AND SOUTH, AND HOW WE START TO ESTABLISH THESE SORT OF MORE ACTIVE CORRIDORS JUST BEYOND WHERE TO WATERWAY PARK.
I THINK IF YOU WERE TO DRIVE AROUND METRO PLACE TODAY, MANY OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE THESE EXPANSIVE SETBACKS.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR YOU TO WALK THERE, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT CREATING A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD, PART OF THAT IS JUST SIMPLY ENGAGING IN PROPER SIGHTING OF THE ARCHITECTURE TO ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC REALM IN A MEANINGFUL WAY, RIGHT? IN SOME CASES, THIS ALLOWS FOR MORE WALKABILITY.
IN OTHER CASES, THIS, YOU KNOW, PRESENTS OPPORTUNITIES FOR, YOU KNOW, GROUND FLOOR UNITS TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC REALM, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE TO LIVE 3, 4, 5, UH, FLOORS ABOVE, BUT WE CAN ACTUALLY ENGAGE WITH THE, UH, PUBLIC REALM AROUND US, UH, THINKING ABOUT THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, REUSE OF THE EXISTING OFFSETS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO JUST BE PARKING LOTS AND EXPANSES OF USELESS GREEN SPACE.
THEY CAN BECOME ASSETS THAT ARE USED BY THE EXISTING TENANTS AND THE SORT OF FUTURE TENANTS OF THE SITE.
AND I THINK THINKING ABOUT THOSE AS USABLE LANDSCAPES IN THE FUTURE BECOMES INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO HAPPEN IN WATERWAY.
THERE IS A SCALE TO THESE SPACES THAT CAN EXIST ALONG THESE CORRIDORS AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, ENHANCING THESE MOMENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE WELL CONNECTED TO THE REST OF THE PLAN.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW COSWAY RUN MOVES NORTH INTO WATERWAY PARK.
THOSE TRANSITIONS NEED TO HAPPEN THROUGH THESE DISTRICT STREET SCAPES AND THROUGH THESE EXISTING LANDSCAPES THAT CAN BECOME MORE MEANINGFUL IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL LEAVE IT TO DISCUSSION.
WHO WANTS TO START OFF? THIS IS THE TOSS UP ROUND JUMP SHOT DAN
I WAS GONNA SAY, I'LL GO, I THINK MINE MIGHT BE A QUICKER COMMENT THAN A LOT OF 'EM, BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK THE CHARACTER AREAS DO A GOOD JOB OF PRESCRIBING WORD WE'VE USED A LOT, BUT KIND OF SHOWING, UH, WHAT WE WANT OUT OF EACH AREA.
UM, IF THERE WERE MORE, GETTING INTO THE SECOND QUESTION, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS THEY RELATE TO THE PARKS, THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO DEFINE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NATURAL INCENTIVE NECESSARILY FOR SOME OF THE PROJECTS TO DO SO.
SO WHEN YOU SAY WHAT, UH, WHAT WOULD WE REQUIRE, WHAT WOULD WE WANT TO PUT MORE FINE POINT ON? UM, IT'S, IT'S THE INTERACTION WITH THE WATERWAYS, INTERACTION WITH THE PARKS AND ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, ARTIFICIALLY INCENTIVIZE OUT OF A
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DEVELOPER, IN MY OPINION.UM, THE FIRST QUESTION, I THINK, I THINK THE AREAS THAT YOU'VE CREATED ADDRESS THE PERIPHERAL CONDITIONS OF THE FABRIC REALLY WELL.
SO I THINK, UM, I, I, I FIND THAT PRETTY SUCCESSFUL IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE, THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD LINK WITH THE ADJACENT AREAS.
UM, I THINK THE SECOND POINT, IF THERE WAS A FORMULA FOR THE AMOUNT OF NATURE OR NATURAL ELEMENTS OR, YOU KNOW, GREEN STRATEGIES THAT BUILDINGS WERE REQUIRED TO INCORPORATE, IF THAT IS, IF THAT'S THE, THE DEFINING ELEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY, THEN WE SHOULD TAKE IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND, UM, INCORPORATE IT IN THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP TO MAKE THE AREA UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER AREAS.
IF YOU DO THAT, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN ANY PLACE IN CENTRAL OHIO.
AND DEPENDING ON THE EXTENT, UM, THE THIRD TOPIC IS AN AREA WHERE I'M GONNA AGREE WITH VICKI BECAUSE
I KNOW THIS IS ON TAPE, SO THAT'S FINE.
IT'S LIVE, BUT, BUT I POINT TO SPECIFIC BUILDINGS AND, UM, HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPERS TO MAKE DESIGN PRIORITY AND GIVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES.
AND I'M
BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT COLUMBUS, INDIANA, AND SO YOU HAD SOMEONE WHO WAS WILLING TO PAY FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL FEES FOR NOTED ARCHITECTS, AND THEN THEY HAVE GREAT DESIGN.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT OSU, THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN EARLIER, UM, CHAIRMAN OF THE ARCHITECTURE DEPARTMENT AND WHEN HE CAME HE SAID, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
AND SO WHEN HE WAS THERE, THEY REQUIRED MAJOR BUILDINGS TO HAVE FOR THE DESIGN, NOT NOW THE LOCAL ARCHITECTS COULD STILL DO THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND, AND WOULD GET THE BENEFIT OF MOST OF THE FEES.
BUT FOR THE DESIGN, HE REQUIRED INTER UM, NATIONALLY PROMINENT FIRMS THAT WOULD COME AND DESIGN THE BUILDINGS.
SO, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN BLAME THE ARCHITECTS, BUT SOMETIMES, AND AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE TWO BUILDINGS IN DUBLIN PROBABLY IN THE LAST 20 YEARS THAT HAVE RECEIVED ANY KIND OF DESIGN AWARDS.
THEY'RE IN HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEY'RE COHA IS BUILDING AND THEY'RE THE LIBRARY.
AND BECAUSE THOSE ARE ARCHITECTS THAT MAKE DESIGN A PRIORITY AND, AND THE OWNER WANTED THE DESIGN TO BE A PRIORITY.
SO THAT'S TO ME, 'CAUSE I I, WE CAN DO ALL THIS AND WE CAN MAKE THESE GUIDELINES AND THEN THE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE ON THE, ON THE BOARD SEE THESE BUILDINGS THAT COME TO US WHO ARE LIKE, THIS IS TERRIBLE.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT'S THE SILVER BULLET.
HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE THE DEVELOPERS OF THE PROPERTIES TO MAKE HIGH QUALITY DESIGN? THIS IS NOT THE VIBRANT ARCHITECTURAL COMMUNITY LIKE BOSTON.
SO AS YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTED, DRIVING AROUND.
SO, UM, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CAPABILITY OF DOING, DOING GOOD WORK.
I THINK THAT'S, WE, WE ARE LOOKING AND, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, JEREMIAH IS HERE AS WELL, BUT WE ARE LOOKING IN TERMS OF THE, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A MUCH BIGGER UNDERTAKING THAN JUST WHAT COMES TO THIS COMMISSION.
I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE PARTNERSHIPS AND OTHER THINGS.
SO TRYING TO PARTNER UP WITH THE RIGHT DEVELOPERS, WITH THE RIGHT DESIGN AND ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, UM, THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE GOAL HERE AS WELL.
WELL, I WAS GONNA ADD ON TO THAT.
IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND A GREAT POINT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
A DEVELOPER IS GONNA DEVELOP TO MAKE A PROFIT NO MATTER WHAT.
SO YOU'LL GET THAT HIGH DESIGN ARCHITECTURE IF FOR SOME REASON THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE PROFIT OFF OF IT.
SO, UM, TWO THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD BE REALLY NICE THAT WE PAID GREATER ATTENTION TO.
SO, UM, I GOT BACK TO THE NUMBER, I FOUND IT HERE WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE DOING THE PRESENTATION.
SO ON THE LANDSCAPE, UM, ITEM AND IT WAS NINE, IT'S THE LAST ONE AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE WAY UP AT ONE, WHICH IS WEAVE DUBLIN SIGNATURE TRAIL INTO THE DISTRICT AND CREATE CONNECTIONS TO THE METRO LOOP AND DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA LOOP.
I HOPE THAT WOULD BE A, A REALLY HUGE GOAL OF THIS REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
AND THE OTHER ONE THAT I'M GONNA GRASP ON IS ITEM A EIGHT FOR ARCHITECTURE, FOR ADAPTIVE BUILDINGS
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TO FUTURE NEEDS.SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE STRUGGLED WITH IN THE BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR, AND I THINK WE WILL STRUGGLE WITH WITHIN THIS DE DEVELOPMENT HERE, OR PODIUM BUILDINGS, MEANING THE FIRST TWO FLOORS ARE GONNA BE BUILT.
THEY COULD BE BUILT OF STEEL CONSTRUCTION, THEY CAN BE BUILT OF WOOD OR UM, CONCRETE STRUCTURE AND THEN BUILDING APARTMENT HOUSING ON TOP OF IT.
SO ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS IN BRIDGE STREET QUARTER ARE THAT WAY.
THEY ARE ALMOST ALL BUILT WITH WOOD CONSTRUCTION.
THAT IS NOT ADAPTIVE TO BE ANYTHING ELSE IN THE FUTURE ON THE WAY THOSE BUILDINGS ARE CONSTRUCTED.
SO IF WE'RE TRULY GONNA DO THIS FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT CONSTRUCTION TYPES ARE GONNA, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD, LIKE YOU MIGHT SAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA, ONLY THE BUILDING CODE IS GONNA REGULATE IT, BUT I WAS ALWAYS FRUSTRATED WHEN WE DID THE BRIDGE, BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR THAT WE DIDN'T PUT LIMITATIONS ON THE, HOW THE BUILDINGS COULD BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THE ZONING CODE.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA PHYSICALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT BUILDING FOR FUTURE NEEDS, THEN YOU REALLY NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO HOW THOSE BUILDINGS ARE CONSTRUCTED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND SO THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS DOCUMENT YET THAT DOES THAT.
AND I THINK WE'RE WILL FALL SHORT IF WE DON'T PUT THAT IN PLACE.
TO ME, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT'LL KEEP US FROM NOT GETTING BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR AGAIN AND GETTING SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THIS AREA IS YOU'RE BASICALLY GONNA SAY THAT'S WE'RE NOT GOING, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THOSE TYPE OF STRUCTURES AND WE'RE NOT GOING AFTER THEM.
JUST A QUICK RELEVANT COMMENT ON IT, THE CLT IT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WENT IN THERE AND MENTIONED THAT, HOW DO, HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT MORE OF A, OF A HARD LINE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, ON A MATERIAL? 'CAUSE THAT'S ONE WE DON'T SEE ANYWHERE IN, IN BRIDGE PARK AND IS MORE CONDUCIVE TO THE FREEFORM KIND OF STUFF THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.
WELL, WE GOT SOME PASSION TONIGHT.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND I GUESS I'M, UM, LOOKING AT THE FIRST QUESTION, DO THESE CHARACTER AREAS REFLECT THE REVITS AND PLAN AND TRANSITIONS? UM, TWO AREAS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
THE WAY IT'S DESCRIBED NOW IS VERY GENERAL AND I DON'T SEE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN IT AND THE DUBLIN'S DETENTION PONDS THAT ARE ALL OVER.
AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME THAT.
I SEE IN SOME OF YOUR RENDERINGS, THERE'S LITTLE PADDLE BOATS ON IT, WHICH IMPLIES THERE'S SOME DEPTH AND NOT VERY MUCH GOOSE POOP, WHICH WOULD BE LOVELY HOW YOU WRITE THE DESIGNS IN THERE.
WE HAVE ONE OF THE, IT'S ACTUALLY WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE PONDS IN OUR BACK, IN OUR, BEYOND OUR BACKYARD.
I WOULD NEVER SET FOOT IN THAT POND
THAT'S WHAT I'M A, I'M A CANOE AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES A WATERWAY INTERACTIVE.
HAVING A DETENTION POND WITH A FOUNTAIN IN IT AND CANADIAN GEESE IS NOT INTERACTIVE.
SO THAT'S ONE THING I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WRITE IT SO THAT IT BECOMES A REAL GEM AND NOT A DETENTION BOND.
THE OTHER ONE THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE FRANZ ROAD TRANSITION.
TO ME, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A TRANSITION AT ALL.
YOU'VE GOT THE LOWER BUILDINGS ON THE EAST SIDE AND THEN FROM THE RENDERINGS, 3, 4, 5 STORIES.
SO JUST TO THINK ABOUT THAT MORE.
UM, IF YOU'RE REALLY USING THE WORD TRANSITION AND NOT GATEWAY, IT LOOKS MORE TO ME LIKE A GATEWAY.
HERE WE ARE
BUT IF WE'RE ENVISIONING AN ACTUAL TRANSITION, THAT'S TO ME NOT A TRANSITION.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT I WOULD LOOK AT.
THERE'S MORE, BUT THAT'LL DO FOR NOW.
MORE PASSION? NO, KATHY'S WANTED TO GO LAST.
NO, I I THINK THESE ARE THESE, YOU KNOW, I'LL ANSWER YES TO ALL THE QUESTIONS.
AGAIN, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE STILL HEADING ON THE RIGHT PATH.
I I DID HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH.
I'M GONNA DRILL DOWN FOR A MINUTE IN THE DETAILS ON THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR SPECIFICALLY.
AND MAYBE THIS IS JUST A QUESTION FOR WHOEVER ELSE TO ANSWER THE, WHEN WE'VE GOT EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE, ASSUME WE'RE GONNA REMAIN.
WHAT I, I'M, UM, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR TRANSLATION OF WHAT, WHAT DOES, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT HIGHWAY CORRIDOR? ARE WE REQUIRING, UM, ADDITIONAL GREENS? ARE WE, I I LANDSCAPE, I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT, HOW, HOW ARE WE TRANSLATING THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE OR SECTION? SURE, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TALLEST BUILDING ON THE SITE IS WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR AREA AND IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE SOON.
IT MAY TRANSFORM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S,
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IT IS, IT'S A VIABLE BUILDING TODAY.SO IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW, AS WELL BROUGHT OUR ATTENTION TO IN TERMS OF THE, THE VISIBILITY AS WELL AS SORT OF THE CONTEXT OF NOT WANTING RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ADJACENT TO THE HIGHWAY.
BECAUSE THOSE THEN OFTEN NECESSITATE, UH, NOISE BARRIERS.
SO TO AVOID THE NOISE BARRIERS, NUMBER ONE, MAKING SURE THAT THAT LANDSCAPE, UM, YOU KNOW, MEETS CERTAIN CRITERIA FOR SCREENING MORE BROADLY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, AS THE CHAIRMAN POINTED OUT, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPECIFIC SORT OF VIEW CORRIDORS INTO, UH, THE DISTRICT ITSELF SO THAT IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE PRESENT.
AND SO SOME OF THE TEXT WITHIN THAT CHAPTER DEFINITELY IDENTIFIES THE APPROPRIATE PLACES SPECIFICALLY WHERE, UH, THE BRIDGE CROSSES TWO 70, UM, WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A VIEW INTO THAT AREA.
THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BALANCING ACT A LITTLE BIT THERE IS LIKE IF, IF INDEED THERE ARE NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, UM, OF A CERTAIN HEIGHT, WHICH ARE PROPOSED FOR THAT AREA THAT THEY BE, UM, SIGNALING, THIS IS AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER THAT THE ARCHITECTURE, UM, IS OF A QUALITY WHICH IS ELEVATED TO ALSO SIGNAL SORT OF THE FUTURE OF DUBLIN THERE.
AND, UM, SIGNAGE SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO THE OVERALL SORT OF SIGNAGE APPROACH FOR THE ENTIRE DISTRICT.
AND NOT JUST SPECIFIC FOR THAT BUILDING, NOT JUST A CORPORATE LOGO, BUT RATHER IT'S IN, UM, IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH A SORT OF A BROADER UNDERSTANDING OF A SIGNAGE PACKAGE THERE.
SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE SPECIFICS ON THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, BUT IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION IN A WAY.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PRESERVING THE, THE GREEN CHARACTER THAT YOU GET IN DUBLIN MORE BROADLY, BUT ALSO ALLOW FOR THAT TO BE, UM, VISUALLY A STATEMENT THAT THIS IS AN EMPLOYMENT PLACE, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT YOU TO MOVE.
THIS IS WHERE WE WANT, WE WANT YOU TO BRING YOUR COMPANY AND ASPIRE TO THE ARCHITECTURE IN THIS THIS AREA.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT ANSWER AND I, MAYBE, MAYBE WE NEED TO SEE THAT SPECIFICALLY, LIKE THOSE, THOSE VIEWPOINTS LIKE YOU EXPLAINED INTO THE SPACE MM-HMM
AND MAYBE YOU'VE GOT, YOU'RE DRIVING 70 MILES AN HOUR, YOU'VE GOT YEAH.
HOW MANY SECONDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
I THINK A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY AROUND, YOU KNOW, PRESERVE, ENHANCE THE GREEN HIGHWAY EDGE.
DOES THAT MEAN VIEWPOINTS IN, INTO IT? YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT? SIGNAGE, EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID I THINK IS AWESOME.
I JUST THINK WE WANNA BE ABLE TO TRANSLATE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UM, 'CAUSE AGAIN, I I THAT WE'RE ALL SENSITIVE TO THE HIGHWAY CONNECTION, I THINK THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT AND IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT UNDERSERVED BASED ON THE OTHER CHARACTERISTICS OF THE OTHER AREAS.
I GUESS I, I GUESS IF WE COULD, UM, I GUESS ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE YOU JUST DID ON THAT ONE, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I, I DO THINK WE'RE, AGAIN, CONTINUALLY HEADING DOWN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, JUST ADDING A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY.
THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THERE THERE'RE SUPPORTING GRAPHICS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT TALK ABOUT THE WINDOWS INTO METRO CENTER OR, AND ALSO THE FACT THAT THAT FRONTAGE IS ONE OF THE KEY FRONTAGES THAT DEFINES YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH DUBLIN.
SO SHOULD, BUT I GUESS THAT'S, SHOULD IT BE YEAH.
SPECIFIC IN HERE THOUGH? OR SHOULD WE RELY BACK ON THE OH, I, I'M GREAT PROPONENT OF IT.
I'VE BEEN, I BRING IT UP EVERY TIME I GET.
SO THANK YOU FOR REINFORCING IT.
BUT YES, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT MORE LANGUAGE.
I WAS GONNA MAKE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THAT TOO, BUT I DON'T, KATHY, WHY DON'T YOU GO FIRST.
AND ON THAT NOTE, I THINK I WAS SAYING EARLIER THAT THAT'S VERY INSPIRATIONAL WHEN PEOPLE ARE DRIVING BY THERE AND SEE THAT AND IT STICKS OUT AND YOU DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO THE TOP, I THINK THAT HAS SOME KIND OF, UH, UNIQUENESS AND THAT THIS SIGN DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AS HUGE.
THAT THAT'S NOT THE FOCAL POINT.
IT'S LIKE, WHO'S IN THAT BUILDING? AND THEN JUST TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BRINGING BUSINESS HERE AND SO FORTH, KEEPING BUSINESS HERE.
WE'VE HEARD ON THIS COMMISSION THAT THERE'S NO PLACE TO GO FOR FOR LUNCH OR YOU GOTTA GET IN YOUR CAR, GO HERE AND THERE.
THIS IS BRINGING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEN THOSE BUSINESSES WILL SAY, I WANNA BE HERE, I WANNA STAY HERE.
SO THOSE ARE GONNA BE VITAL IN HOW WE'RE GOING TO SUSTAIN THIS.
AND THEN ALSO I WAS ALWAYS VERY EXCITED, YOU KNOW, JUST AS THE A CITIZEN GOING IN AND VISITING, LIKE, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE WATERWAY PARK? AND IT JUST FROM THE BEGINNING SOUNDED LIKE A BIG INTERACTIVE THING THAT YOU DON'T SEE OTHER PLACES.
AND, UM, IT'S ALSO, TO ME IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A PEOPLE WATCHING PLACE WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, I'M INTRIGUED TO SEE HOW THIS IS GOING.
AND THERE'S OTHER PLACES TO, TO LOOK.
I SENT, UH, A PICTURE TOO OF, OF, OF ANOTHER AREA THAT LITERALLY YOU WATCH SOMEONE TRY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST IN A WATERWAY GET AROUND CERTAIN AREAS SO IT'S NOT JUST AS EASY AND SO FORTH, BUT YOU'RE LIKE INTRIGUED.
HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET AROUND THAT WALK OR, UM, SO FORTH.
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I, AND AGAIN, WE UM, AND THAT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT WELCOMING BENCHES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTION HAS TO BE, AND, AND THAT THAT IS VITAL TO THE AREA.IT'S, THERE'S WALKING DISTANCE.
UM, THEY, THEY'RE GETTING NEW DEVELOPMENT ON ALL DIFFERENT SIDES OF THEM WITH MONTEREY AND SO FORTH, AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA PROGRESS AND, AND BECOME A STRONGER NEIGHBORHOOD IN THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, CODA HAS TO BE, UM, WHERE, WHERE DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO GET PICKED UP AT? AND, AND THEN IT'S SUSTAIN THAT, THAT YOU CAN SEE IT AND YOU WANT TO, YOU WANNA GET ON THAT BUS AND GO A DIFFERENT WAY YOURSELF AS A, AS A DUBLIN PERSON, IT'S THE UNEXPECTED TO ME IN THIS AREA THAT, THAT I DIDN'T SEE THAT OVER IN BRIDGE PARK, BUT I SAW IT OVER HERE AND IT'S ITS OWN THING.
AND THEN THAT'S WHERE YOU GET BUSINESSES INVOLVED IN THAT EXCITEMENT TOO, THAT THEY GET INTO SAYING, I WANT SOMETHING THAT THAT BRINGS PEOPLE OUT TO, TO LOOK AT THIS.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE IT WITH THE GOLF BALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TO ME, DON'T FORGET THE ROOFS
UM, IF IT'S SUSTAINABILITY, IF IT'S PEOPLE GETTING TOGETHER, SOMETHING OF THAT SORT, UM, MAKING THAT, UH, IMPORTANT.
AND FOR THE, I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON YOUR LAST NOTE ABOUT THE BUS.
NOW THAT'S A VERY SPECIFIC THING, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY TALKING HERE ABOUT MOBILITY NODES, LIKE WHERE OUR HUBS, OR I'VE FORGOTTEN IT IF I'VE READ IT 10 TIMES,
UM, WE HAVE A TRANSIT NETWORK THAT WE'VE SORT OF THOUGHT ABOUT AND THE WAY THAT YOU MOVE AROUND, WHETHER IT'S SPIKE, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE PLACEMAKING OPPORTUNITIES I GUESS IS WHERE I'M GOING IN TERMS OF HOW THEY FIT INTO THE CHARACTER AREAS.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE A NOTE THAT THE, THIS DOCUMENT IN OUR PACKET THAT SAYS NINE 11 IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU PRESENTED TONIGHT.
AND SO I HAD A BUNCH OF COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE ACTUALLY PICKED UP AND I DON'T DWELL ON THAT, BUT COULD YOU GO BACK, COULD YOU GO TO THE CHARACTER AREAS? I THINK ZACH, YOU RUN IN THIS OR, OR YEAH, MARTIN, YOU ARE.
UM, SO I HAD PICKED UP ON THE COS GRAY RUN AREA WHERE YOU HAD THE, THE FRONTAGE COMING DOWN ALL THE WAY.
AND I WAS DEBATING WHETHER SHOULDN'T CAUSE GRAY RUN GO TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY BECAUSE THAT'S THE RIPARIAN OPEN SPACE CORRIDOR, BUT YOU'VE MELDED 'EM NOW SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.
SO SHOWS BOTH COS GRAY AND HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
SO, AND I JUST, AND AGAIN, SOMETHING JUST OCCURRED TO ME UHHUH IN, IN THIS BECAUSE WHEN IT WAS JUST THE, THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, I WASN'T QUITE SURE, UM, IF THAT WOULD ALLOW DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN IN THERE.
AND, AND MAYBE IT STILL CAN I, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T SHOW ANY BUILDINGS IN THAT AREA.
NEW BUILDINGS IS THE INTENT THAT THAT ISN'T A DEVELOPMENT AREA, IT'S A NATURAL STREAM QUARTER AREA.
IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND IT'S A GOOD POINT.
THERE'S, THERE'S SPECIFICS TO THE PARCELIZATION IN THAT AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, TECHNICAL ABOUT OWNERSHIP ABOUT THAT AREA.
UM, THE INTENT IS, I'LL SAY, UM, YES, DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE, BUT IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE, IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THAT HATCHED AREA, IT'S NOT THE, THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE OF COS GRAY RUN DOES NEED TO MOVE THROUGH AND IT HAS CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE WATER ITSELF, BUT I THINK THERE IS DEVELOPMENT ALLOWABLE IN THERE AS IT WOULD BE FOR THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
SO YEAH, WE'VE HAD TWO DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS FOR THAT TRIANGULAR AREA.
AND I JUST, I WANTED TO, IT JUST, AGAIN, THIS IS ALL SPURRING THINGS IN MY MIND IS THAT THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY SAYING WHERE DEVELOPMENT CAN OCCUR.
IT'S AN IMAGE OF WHERE DEVELOPMENT MIGHT OCCUR, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T OCCUR.
SO WE SHOULD JUST TAKE IT THAT INTO MIND IS THAT THIS IS, THIS DOCUMENT AGAIN IS STILL A VISION PLAN AND IT'S NOT, WHICH HASN'T BEEN APPROVED, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD A BUILDING WHERE THERE ISN'T A BUILDING ON THIS PLAN.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE REALLY, ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL CHALLENGES OF THIS EXERCISE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IS THAT THAT IS NOT A FIXED AND FINAL PLAN.
THAT IS A SUGGESTION FOR A, AN INTENT, BUT WITH A LOT OF SPECIFICITY TO IT.
THE BUILDINGS MAY BE QUITE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE.
AND SO ASKING A DESIGN FIRM TO DO DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR A PLAN, WHICH IS, WHICH IS NOT FIXED.
AND WE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS AROUND WHERE SPECIFICALLY ARE THE PARCEL LINES AND WHERE SPECIFICALLY SHOULD WE HAVE FRONT YARD SETBACK, REAR YARD SETBACK, SIDE YARD SETBACK, IT, WE CAN'T DO THAT
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RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING PARCELIZATION AS THIS UNFOLDS OVER TIME.IT IS, AS YOU SAY, AN INTENT AROUND THE RELATIONSHIPS OF THE DESIGN FEATURES, THE WATERWAY, THE RING ROAD, THE, THE EDGES, FRAN ROAD AND HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
UM, IT IS QUITE DIFFICULT TO BE ENTIRELY PRESCRIPTIVE WITH A PLAN, WHICH WE KNOW SHOULD EVOLVE
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL CHALLENGE HERE WITH THE PROJECT.
SO I WANT TO USE THAT AS A TEST BECAUSE I WOULD NOW SAY IF A DEVELOPER CAME TO US WITH THAT, WELL THE INTENT IS THAT'S, THERE'S NO BUILDINGS THERE THAT'S OPEN SPACE, SO YOU CAN'T BUILD THERE.
THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE MY, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE SPECIFICALLY THAT DIAGRAM, YOU KNOW, REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, SHOULD REQUIRE A GREATER LEVEL OF DESCRIPTION ABOUT THESE, THESE WHITE SHAPES ARE SUGGESTIVE ONLY OF WHERE THOSE BUILDINGS CAN BE, BUT WITHIN EACH CATEGORY, YES, DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED IN THESE PLACES OR NO, IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THESE PLACES, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY COMPLEX JUST BECAUSE OF THE PAR, RIGHT? AGAIN, I'LL SAY IT, THE PARCELIZATION AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY 30 DIFFERENT OWNERS HERE, UM, WHO WILL BE MOVING AT A DIFFERENT PACE, UM, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN ECONOMICS.
AND, AND AGAIN, JUST FOR, FOR THE COMMISSION REINFORCING THAT THE WAY THAT BUILDINGS ARE ARRANGED HERE IS, IS NOT BASED ON PROPERTY OWNERSHIP.
AND SO AGAIN, TO SOME EXTENT, TO SOME EXTENT, SOME EXTENT, BUT SOMEBODY COULD BUY, SOMEONE COULD BUY, ASSEMBLE LAND AND THEN IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
UM, A AGAIN, JUST AGAIN THE, YOU FIXED THE BLAZER PARKWAY CONNECTION.
YOU HAD, UM, BROWN ON THE BUILDINGS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF IT, BUT YOU MADE 'EM NOW CAUSE GRAY
SO, AND THAT WAS A GOOD, THAT WAS GONNA BE SOMETHING, BUT THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE THE CONNECTION OVER TWO 70.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE STREET SCAPE THAT YOU SHOULD THINK OF THAT AS A STREET STREET BROWN SHOULD EXTEND IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND IT REALLY THEN REINFORCES THAT AND THE GATEWAY.
AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF BACK TO WHAT JAMIE WAS SAYING, THAT THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY UNIQUE THERE, NOT JUST ABOUT THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND THE LANDSCAPE, BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT BRIDGE GETS BUILT, THAT'S GONNA BE A MAJOR WAY TO GET IN HERE.
AND SO HOW DO WE REALLY CELEBRATE THAT? AND IN AND DOING THAT, DOES THAT ELEMENT THEN BECOME SOME MAJOR KIND OF BRAND BRANDING THING FOR THE WHOLE CENTER? SO ANYWAY, MM-HMM
UM, THOSE ARE THE ONLY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT I HAD.
I THINK EVERYTHING EL I THINK ALL THE CHARACTERS ARE GREAT AND THE WAY YOU'VE DESCRIBED THEM AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
I THINK WE'RE MOVING OVER TO ZACH NOW.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE, UH, ZONING COMPONENT AND ZACH WILL COVER THAT, UH, AS HE'S DOING THAT.
I THINK THIS WAS VERY HELPFUL TO US TO, UH, WE, WE STILL HAVE SOME HOMEWORK TO KINDA HELP.
WE, WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS FOR SO LONG THAT SOMETIMES WHAT WE ASSUME, YOU KNOW, UH, MAY NOT ALWAYS BE CLEAR.
SO THE REVITALIZATION PLAN SET THE STAGE FOR ALL OF THAT, AND WE TRY TO DO A BETTER JOB NEXT TIME OF KINDA TALKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS BECAUSE THERE ARE STUDIES ABOUT THE PONDS, THERE ARE STUDIES ABOUT THE MOBILITY, THERE ARE STUDIES ABOUT THE SIGNATURE TRAIL AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO WE'LL TRY TO TIE ALL OF THAT TOGETHER AS WE TRY TO ALSO, UH, WORK ON SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS WE HEARD TONIGHT.
SO NOW THE MORE LEGAL FRAMEWORK AND HOW WE'RE APPROACHING THAT Z ZACH, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU START, I JUST WANT TO, UH, MARTIN AND ANTHONY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I THINK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, YOU'VE, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF MIXED
WE KNOW IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS.
UH, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR RE EFFORTS.
UM, SO I, WITH WHAT WE'RE GONNA SHARE TONIGHT, UM, I'VE ONLY GOT A COUPLE SLIDES TO GO THROUGH, UM, WHERE WE ARE AT AS STAFF, WE'RE WORKING WITH, UM, MCBRIDE DALE CLARION ON THE ACTUAL ZONING PIECE FOR THE MUR ONE ZONING DISTRICT.
SO WHAT WE'RE SHARING TONIGHT IS REALLY JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING INTERNALLY ON IN TERMS OF A ROADMAP AND, AND A PRETTY DETAILED OUTLINE.
UM, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE NEXT, NEXT TIME THIS COMES FORWARD WOULD BE THE ACTUAL ZONING CODE.
UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL CAPTURE SOME OF THESE SNAPSHOTS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADDRESS IN THE CODE.
I DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS ON WHAT THINGS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO SAY, BUT I THINK WE CAN GENERALLY CAPTURE A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
AND AT THE END OF THIS, UM, WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT FEEDBACK KNOWING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND WE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO THESE AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED THE MAJORITY OF THIS CONVERSATION TO BE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
'CAUSE AS WE SHOWED IN THIS ALMOST HOUR AND A HALF AGO, UM, IS RIGHT, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE REALLY FOUNDATIONAL
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TO THIS DISTRICT.SO IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY AND IT'S INTENDED TO BE DIFFERENT.
NOW THE ZONING IS STILL A VERY KEY PART OF THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA PROVIDE THOSE PROTECTIONS, THOSE BASE PROTECTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE FORM, UH, AND THE TYPES OF USES THAT WE WANT TO DESIRE HERE.
BUT REALLY PUSHING TOWARDS THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES IS REALLY, UM, GUIDING US ON THE ACTUAL DESIGN AND FORM OF THESE BUILDINGS.
SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND US OF, OF THIS AS, AS WE GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE SLIDES.
UH, SO WITHIN THE, UH, ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN, WE CALL OUT THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA.
UM, THAT ALIGNS WITH THE MUR DISTRICTS AND THE FOUR DISTRICTS, UM, AS THEY WOULD BE, UH, CONSIDERED, ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
APOLOGIZE, THE LIGHTS, THE COLORS ARE A LITTLE LIGHTER, BUT, UM, I'LL, I'LL WALK THROUGH THIS.
SO A COUPLE YEARS AGO, MUR FOUR WAS ESTABLISHED, UH, THAT'S DOWN IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, SOUTHEAST PORTION OF THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA AND DOUBLE CORPORATE AREA IS A SPECIAL AREA PLAN THAT IS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY PLAN.
UM, MUR TWO AND THREE, THOSE ARE NOT EXISTING TODAY.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE GENERALLY THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WE CAN EXPECT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY AS WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED.
SO I DON'T HAVE A TIMING ON THAT, BUT THIS IS JUST TO SHOW IN THE FRAMEWORK, THE BIGGER FRAMEWORK OF UR ONE AND THEN THE OTHER THREE DISTRICTS THAT THIS IS STILL A VITAL PIECE OF THE BIGGER DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PUZZLE.
UM, UR ONE, AGAIN, THOSE BOUNDARIES ARE SHOWN AT THE TOP.
UM, BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE SOME, I GUESS RE REFLECT ON THIS IS A BIGGER PIECE OR THIS IS A SMALL PIECE.
IT'S A BIG PIECE, BUT A SMALL PIECE OF A BIGGER PUZZLE THAT WE'VE GOT HERE.
SO I DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT, UH, IN THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
SO, UH, HOW WE WOULD PLAN, UH, AS WE'VE TALKED INTERNALLY AND WITH OUR CONSULTANTS ON HOW WE'D WANT TO ADDRESS THIS, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE OCCURRING WITHIN THIS MUR ONE DISTRICT.
YOU HAVE THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, YOU HAVE THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, THEN YOU HAVE EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.
UM, WE HAD LOOKED AT THE CHARACTER AREA DIAGRAM THAT WE JUST WENT OVER.
THERE'S FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT CHARACTER AREAS.
UM, AND ALTHOUGH THAT'S GREAT FOR THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND HOW WE WANT TO ADDRESS CERTAIN FRONTAGES AND WHEN WE'RE ADDRESSING NATURAL FEATURES IN THE WATERWAY PARK, IT REALLY DIDN'T LEND ITSELF WELL TO, UM, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS WHAT USES ARE APPROPRIATE OR WHAT ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE WANT TO APPLY HERE.
SO WE'VE KIND OF TAKEN THE CHARACTER AREAS AND WE'VE PUT THEM TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT WHERE WE CAN.
SO WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, WHICH IS THE RED ON THE LEFT SIDE, AND THAT'S FOCUSED FOR OFFICE AND EMPLOYMENT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE'VE GOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE WHICH IS GOING TO KIND OF SERVE AS IT ALREADY DOES TODAY.
UM, PROBABLY MORE OF THAT SUBURBAN OFFICE FEEL THAT THAT IS EXISTING.
AND THEN EVERYTHING IN THE MIDDLE, UH, OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO LUMP THIS INTO ONE LARGER SUBDISTRICT, UH, WHICH WOULD BE OUR MIXED USE DISTRICT.
UM, I THINK THAT GENERALLY ALIGNS WITH THE, THE GATEWAY AREAS THAT WE'VE, OR NOT THE GATEWAY AREA, THE, UH, CHARACTER AREAS THAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED.
AND THIS JUST GIVES US MORE CLEAN LINES, UH, TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT USES AND AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS HERE.
UM, ONE THING THAT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS AND YOU'LL SEE IS THIS IS NOT BASED OFF OF, WELL IT'S LARGELY BASED OFF OF EXISTING PARCEL LINES, BUT YOU'LL SEE UPWARD METRO PLACE, SOUTH AND NORTH MEET AND CONTINUE TO EXTEND.
THAT'S BASED ON THE FUTURE OF STREET ALIGNMENT, NOT THE EXISTING STREET ALIGNMENT.
UM, SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN, FORWARD THINKING AND THIS, THESE ARE ALL GONNA BE ZONED MUR ONE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ZONED INDIVIDUALLY TO THESE.
UM, BUT THIS IS JUST TO HELP US KIND OF UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE HOW WE'RE GONNA SPLIT THIS UP AND LOOK AT THIS INDIVIDUALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACTUAL ZONING TEXT, UH, SOME OF THE CATEGORIES THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT AND MOST, AND I THINK ALL OF US, WELL, I HOPE ALL OF US, UH, ARE AWARE OF HOW WE WOULD, WE WOULD APPLY THIS.
BUT LOOKING AT THE PERMIT USES, UM, SO A EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE USES WOULD BE THROUGHOUT THIS DISTRICT ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
UM, WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE USING, USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS THROUGH THIS AS WELL, WHICH WE SEE WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT AND OTHER, UM, DISTRICTS SUCH AS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT.
AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME EXISTING NMUR DISTRICTS AS WELL.
UM, SOME KEY THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON WITH THIS IS DEFINITELY GONNA BE THAT MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, HOW WE TREAT THAT IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN HOW WE TREAT THAT IN THE MIXED USE DISTRICT.
UM, SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT RESIDENTIAL ALONG THE HIGHWAY, BUT WHAT IF YOU HAVE AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS ALONG THE HIGHWAY AND THAT YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL THAT IS LOOKING TO MAYBE BE ALIGNED TOWARDS THAT METRO PLACE NORTH.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WITH THIS AND NOT JUST SAY IT'S OUTRIGHT PROHIBITED CURRENTLY.
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THAT IS, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HAVING DIFFERENT, UH, UNIQUE WAYS OF, OF ADDRESSING THIS.BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS DEFINITELY GONNA HAVE SOME USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
NOT TO DISCOURAGE THAT, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL GET THAT BALANCE OF USES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
AND THE ZONING IS HOW WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE WE EXPECT RESIDENTIAL TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN THAT DISTRICT.
SO IT REALLY IS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT MIXED USE IS A LITTLE EASIER 'CAUSE THAT IS EXPECTED, BUT STILL FINDING THOSE APPROPRIATE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT BALANCE THAT WE DESIRE.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO ORGANIZATION OF DEVELOPMENT, THE WAY THAT I'VE UH, BEEN ABLE TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING IS CREATING THE BOX, THE ZONING'S, CREATING THE BOX FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO PLAY WITHIN.
AND THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE GONNA GUIDE US ON WITHIN THAT BOX, HERE'S HOW UH, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA DESIGN AND MASS THE BUILDING.
SO THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO BE FORM-BASED.
UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE, IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE A STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT EITHER.
UM, I THINK IT'S KIND OF A BLEND OF THE TWO AND MEETING IN THE MIDDLE AND PUSHING, UH, A LOT OF THE FOCUS IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT AND THE DESIGN, UH, ON THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ARE SETBACKS.
HOW DO WE APPLY THOSE? BASSAM SAID EARLIER, A LOT OF THE PROPERTY LINES AND LAW LINES ARE NOT ESTABLISHED TODAY.
UM, THOSE ARE VERY MUCH GONNA BE DIVVIED UP.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU HANDLE THIS AND THAT.
ONE THING THAT'S ALSO DIFFERENT WITH THIS IS WE HAVE A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON CENTRAL OPEN SPACE AND THEN COS GREAT DITCH.
UM, WE'RE TYPICALLY BRIDGE STREET.
WE HAVE SETBACKS FROM THE FRONT STREET AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE, THERE ARE BUILDINGS TO BE FULLY BUILT OUT IN THESE GRIDDED SYSTEMS AND, AND THESE BLOCK SYSTEMS. UM, BUT KINDA THE HIERARCHY HERE IS THIS OPEN SPACES.
SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE SETBACKS IN PLACE SO THAT WE'RE PUTTING THAT EMPHASIS THERE.
UM, BUT NOT CONSTRICTING DEVELOPMENT TOO MUCH, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN SPACE THAT'S GONNA BE DEDICATED THROUGHOUT, ESPECIALLY IN THAT CENTRAL WATERWAY PARK AREA.
UM, DEFINITELY BUILDING HEIGHTS THAT IS GONNA BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE ZONING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE MAXIMUMS THERE.
AND THEN ALSO PARKING LOCATIONS.
UM, AND THEN A QUESTION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED QUITE OFTEN AND A LOT OF OUR CONVERSATIONS IS, WELL, WHAT IF WE HAVE A EXISTING BUILDING AND WE DON'T WANT TO REDEVELOP YET OR EVER.
UM, WE ARE GONNA HAVE REQUIREMENTS IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS MORE STRICT ON WHAT, ON EXISTING OFFICES, COMMERCIAL USES.
THIS IS ACTUALLY, IN MY OPINION, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
IT'S GOING TO EXPAND WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO IN TERMS OF THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED CURRENTLY.
A LOT OF THOSE, UM, THOSE PUDS ARE REALLY JUST FOR OFFICE OR HOTEL.
THERE'S REALLY NO LATITUDE FOR THEM TO DO COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, UM, OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN.
SO THIS IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE TYPES OF USES THAT, THAT THESE EXISTING SITES AND PROPERTY OWNERS ARE ALLOWED TO USE.
AND THEN ALSO PROBABLY CHANGING AND, AND INCREASING, UM, THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPABLE AREA THEY HAVE ON THE SITE AS WELL.
'CAUSE WE ARE CREATING A MORE URBAN DISTRICT RATHER THAN A SUBURBAN OFFICE DISTRICT.
UM, SOME FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN.
AGAIN, I JUST KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS, THAT WE'RE NOT REQUIRING REDEVELOPMENT, BUT INCLUDING PROVISIONS FOR IF PEOPLE WANT TO EXPAND OR IMPROVE, MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN DO THAT WHILE STILL FITTING WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THE METRO CENTER.
UM, PARKING, THIS HAS BEEN A BIG CONVERSATION INTERNALLY AS WELL.
AND THE WAY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS IS REQUIRING EACH DEVELOPMENT TO DO A PARKING PLAN, UH, IN LIEU OF PUTTING MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS OUT HERE.
UM, THE GOAL OF THIS IS NOT TO HAVE EVERY DEVELOPMENT BE PROVIDING PARKING JUST FOR THEMSELVES.
WE REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE AND PUSH PEOPLE TO DO SHARED PARKING THROUGHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A DIFFERENT BEAST BECAUSE IT IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND POTENTIALLY A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS AS WELL.
UM, SO PARKING PLANS WILL, WILL HAVE CRITERIA AND REQUIREMENTS IN THERE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET.
THEY'D HAVE TO PROVE TO US STILL THAT WHAT THEY'RE PROVIDING IS SUFFICIENT.
UM, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SHARED PARKING, UM, HOW DO WE CONSIDER THAT AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENTS INSTEAD OF JUST INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.
AND THEN THE REVIEW PROCESS, UM, THE MUR FOUR ALREADY ESTABLISHES THE REVIEW PROCESS.
WE WOULD LOOK TO CONTINUE THAT HERE, WHICH IS A TWO STEP PROCESS, AND THAT'S CONCEPT PLAN AND FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, BOTH OF THOSE COME TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BUT THAT'S AGAIN, WHAT CURRENT PROCESS IS.
UM, WE'D BE LOOKING TO INCLUDE THAT IN THIS AS WELL.
AND, AND ZACH, THE CONCEPT PLAN THEN WOULD BE, UH, APPROVAL FROM US, RIGHT? NOT JUST, UH, INFORMATION ONLY.
I, WE, I BELIEVE WE CHANGED ALL THE CONCEPT PLANS JUST TO BE MORE OF AN INFORMAL, UM, WHERE WE'RE PROVIDING FEEDBACK.
YEAH, WE MADE THAT, THAT UPDATE.
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YEAR AGO, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO NOW FOR ALL OF THESE DISTRICTS.I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS WAS GONNA BE DIFFERENT, THAT'S ALL.
SO THAT'S AGAIN, A SNAPSHOT, UM, OF KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO MOVING FORWARD.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, UM, GETTING ALL THE FEEDBACK FOR THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IS SUPER HELPFUL FOR US AND HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING THE ZONING CRITERIA AS WELL.
BUT, UM, LOOKING FOR ANY PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK ON THIS OUTLINE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE ROADMAP AND UH, KIND OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE TAKING WITH THE SUBDISTRICTS, THE TYPES OF ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND IN SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE BEEN ASKED.
SO I'LL, I'LL PAUSE THERE AND SEE, UH, WHAT QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OR COMMENTS WE'RE GONNA DO.
OPEN MIC, SO ANYBODY WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO, UM, THE THOROUGHFARE PIN THAT YOU PRESENTED HERE HAS, HAVE YOU ANALYZED THAT IN TERMS OF WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WE PRESENTED, LIKE OVERLAYING ONE OVER THE TOP AND HOW, HOW CONCRETE DOES STAFF EXPECT THIS THOROUGH FRAME PLAN TO BE? SO THIS ALIGNS VERY WELL WITH THE BOUNDARIES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE CHARACTER AREAS.
THE CHARACTER AREAS ARE A LOT MORE BOLD, FLUFFY LINES.
SO IF, IF I CAN GO BACK TO, GIMME A MOMENT.
UM, SO WITH THIS, I, I THINK WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE CHANGE IS JUST THE WIDER ORANGE RED LINES AROUND THESE PUBLIC STREETS.
UM, THIS IS JUST EASIER FOR US TO ADMINISTRATE THE USES AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND THEN LOOKING TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ABOUT HOW YOU'RE ACTUALLY DEVELOPING OR DESIGNING THESE BUILDINGS AND, AND MASSING THESE BUILDINGS, UM, WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY ALONG THESE STREETS, IS, IS IT MAYBE APPROPRIATE TO INCORPORATE THAT WITH WITHIN THAT DESIGN GUIDELINES IF THEY'RE CURRENTLY OVERLAPPING EACH OTHER? YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS TO KIND OF BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THIS AND THE SUB AREA MAP.
UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT WITHIN THE METRO OR WITHIN THE REVITALIZATION PLAN.
THERE'S AN ACTIVATION MAP IN THERE THAT KIND OF OPERATES MORE LIKE A, UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAPS THAT WE HAVE MM-HMM
THAT I THINK WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT MAYBE IN COURT, INCLUDING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT HELPS BRIDGE THAT GAP.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D WANT TO INCLUDE THE, THE CHARACTER AREAS MAP, JUST BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE MORE MAPS THAT WE ADD GETS A LITTLE MORE CONFUSING.
UM, MY OTHER QUESTION ASSOCIATED WITH IS, IS GOING BACK TO, UM, THAT WATERWAY MM-HMM
SO THERE WOULD BE A CERTAIN ACREAGE QUANTITY, VOLUME OF WATER THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DESIGNED TO MAKE THAT FUNCTION AS THAT WATERWAY SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE.
WE AND THE COMMISSION NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD, I'M GLAD YOU AGREE WITH ME,
IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE PROJECTS THAT COME IN AND FOR US, THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT.
THAT'S GONNA GET YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOT NOT HAVING JUST A DETENTION OR WHAT RETENTION POND ON SITE IS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KNOW WHAT VOLUME AND MASS WE NEED TO HAVE WHEN WE'RE JUDGING THAT PROJECT.
SO SOMEWHERE THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED IN THIS.
AND I, I WILL SAY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACTUAL DESIGN AND VOLUME OF THAT STORM WATER POND, I WOULD GO OUT ON A LIMB, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY A LIMB, BUT THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT PART TO PLAY IN THE ACTUAL DESIGN, UH, OF THAT, THAT PARK.
SO I I HEAR YOU COMPLETELY, AND I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO, I, I UNDERSTAND THIS CITY WOULD TAKE, WOULD, WOULD HAVE A VERY BIG RESPONSIBILITY, BUT WE'RE GONNA GET, AND WE'VE HAD PRESENTATIONS LIKE THAT WHERE HAVING A DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN FRONT OF US AND SAY, BUT THIS IS ALL WE CAN DO.
YOU CAN PUT SOME GUIDELINES IN PLACE THAT IT'S NOT DESIGNING WHAT THAT WATER FEATURE IS, BUT AT LEAST IT'S GIVING US A FOOTPRINT SO THAT WE HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF HOW BIG, HOW VAST THAT AREA REALLY NEEDS TO BE.
AND, AND AGAIN, THERE, THERE ARE SOME STUDIES WITHIN THE REVITALIZATION PLAN 'CAUSE WE LOOKED AT THOSE VERY SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WORKABLE.
SO, SO YES, WE, THAT DEFINITELY WILL BE PART OF WHAT WE WILL BE BRINGING WHEN WE HAVE DEPARTMENT PROPOSALS.
I WANNA ASK, THANK YOU GARY, JUST TO FOLLOW UP.
I'M ASSUMING THE CITY'S GONNA BUILD ALL THE WATER SYSTEM THROUGH THERE.
IS THAT RIGHT? AT LEAST THE CITY WOULD BE HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH THAT.
SO YOU, I MEAN AS, AS YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF THINGS THROUGH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
UH, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR JEREMIAH, BUT YES, THE CITY WOULD BE HEAVILY INVOLVED.
SO YOU'LL ESTABLISH WHAT THE CAPACITY IS OF THAT.
WILL YOU ALSO DO THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS? LIKE WE SEE A
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LOT OF BOARDWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES ACROSS THERE AND WE SEE AT LEAST TWO OBJECT BUILDINGS WITHIN THE SPACE.I MEAN THAT'S, SORRY, UH, AGAIN, AS, AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT IN THE PAST HAS BEEN PART OF A NEGOTIATED PROCESS.
BUT THAT, THAT'S CERTAINLY ON THE TABLE AS, AS WE LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT HERE AS WELL.
NOW I, I I'M WITH GARY, THE, THE, THE WATERWAY PARK NEEDS TO BE A PARK, A PUBLIC PARK, AND IT NEEDS TO BE CONTROLLED BY THE CITY.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU COULD, YOU CAN'T BREAK THAT.
YOU COULD BREAK IT UP INTO SEPARATE PONDS, BUT I, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.
THE INTENT IS TO CREATE THIS LINEAR, GREEN, OPEN SPACE.
SO I GUESS
AND THAT'S SEP THAT'S SEPARATE CONVERSATION IS THAT'S SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT THOUGH.
I WAS LIKE, THAT'S NOT UNIVERSALLY AGREED ON AT THIS POINT.
YES, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF ELEMENTS BEYOND THE GUIDELINES TO MAKE THIS.
I MEAN THIS IS A VERY AMBITIOUS PROJECT AND THERE'S A LOT OF COORDINATION THAT'S ALREADY TAKING PLACE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS AND OTHER THINGS AND A LOT OF STUDIES THAT HAVE GONE INTO THIS.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON AND ONE WAY OR ANOTHER THERE WILL BE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND PUBLIC ACCESS AND THE DETAILS ARE TO BE CONTINUED BECAUSE THERE'S A COST OF EVERYTHING AND WE JUST GOTTA GET COST ALIGNED WITH VISION.
ANYBODY ELSE? OH, QUESTION JAMIE, GO AHEAD.
I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER BUT I'M ASKING ANYWAY.
THE, THE SUB AREA OR SUB DISTRICT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT WHY THAT, WHY WE WOULD NOT INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL THERE? UM, IN SEPARATING THAT OUT AS A SEPARATE OFFICE SPECIFIC DISTRICT? 'CAUSE WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE TRANSITION FROM THE RESIDENTIAL FRANCE ROAD OVER, BUT TO ELIMINATE RESIDENTIAL THERE.
WITHIN THE REVIT REVITALIZATION PLAN, UM, WE CALL THIS AREA OUT IS JUST MAINTAINING IT'S MORE SUBURBAN, SMALLER SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT.
UM, SO THAT ALIGNS VERY MUCH WITH WHAT OUR CURRENT SUBURBAN OFFICE AND INSTITUTION ZONING DISTRICT IS.
SO IT'S INTENDED TO OFFER THAT MORE AT THE, THE STATEMENT ON THERE, SERVE AS MORE OF A TRANSITION AND START TO STEP DOWN THE SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S, WE NEED TO INCLUDE IT, BUT WE WANNA MAINTAIN THAT SMALL SCALE OFFICE.
NOT TO DEBATE IT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE TO HELP WITH FRAN OR ACTIVATION, GETTING MORE PEDESTRIANS OUT THERE AND MAKING IT MORE OF A WALKABLE, MORE WELCOMING TRANSITION, I'D MAYBE RECONSIDER THAT, BUT I KNOW IT'S SHIP MIGHT HAVE ALREADY SAILED.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE WAS IN OUR PACKET THAT HAS BEEN UPDATED, RIGHT? SO THE BIG BUILDING ON BLAZER IS NOW PART OF THE CAUSE GRAY AREA IN THE CHARACTER AREAS.
SO THAT THIS NOW IS THE OFFICIAL, WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IS THE MOST UPDATED BUT MOST UPDATED I SHOULD SAY.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND I ASSUMED MR. BACHELOR, WE DON'T HAVE TO SWEAR IN, UH, BECAUSE IT'S JUST INFORMAL COMMENT.
SO THE UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS NOW OPEN.
IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE STEP TO THE DAAS.
DAN, I THINK YOU KNOW, THE, WE DRILL
UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO GO ON RECORD FOR, UM, MY CONCERN ABOUT THE WILDLIFE IN THE EXISTING PONDS.
I DON'T LIKE GOOSE POOP
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NATURAL RESOURCES INVOLVED OR THE OHIO WILDLIFE CENTER, YOU KNOW, JUST TO HUMANELY, UM, TRANSFER THE WILDLIFE THAT IS THERE.UM, AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE DISRUPTING THAT ECOSYSTEM IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT GOOD
SO, UM, I KNOW YOU CAN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, ANSWER RIGHT NOW UNLESS YOU WANT TO.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IF THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED AND UM, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, SO JUST HOPING THAT THERE'S SOME SENSITIVITY TO, YOU KNOW, THE DISRUPTION THAT THAT'S GONNA CAUSE AND HOW THAT'S GONNA BE HANDLED.
UM, SO, AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IT WOULDN'T BE A QUESTION FROM ME IF IT DIDN'T, IF I DIDN'T ASK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC
ARE THERE ANY STUDIES THAT ARE BEING DONE OR HAVE BEEN DONE? YOU KNOW, ARE THERE MAYBE PLANS TO WIDEN FRANCE ROAD? UM, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT'S A VERY, VERY DENSE PROJECT.
UM, SO, UM, YEAH, JUST IF UM, YOU CAN ANSWER THOSE THINGS, THAT'D BE GREAT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN'T THEN I UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T THINK THE COMMISSION IS PREPARED TO ANSWER THOSE, BUT I WOULD, UH, SUGGEST THAT YOU CONTACT THE CITY AND HAVE OKAY.
UM, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THOSE TWO QUESTIONS.
UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS CLOSED.
THANK YOU DIANE, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
AND UH, WE ARE MOVING ON TO COMMUNICATIONS.
OKAY THEN I GUESS WE ARE ADJOURNED.