* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [CALL TO ORDER ] [00:00:02] OKAY, IT IS FIVE 30. I WILL CALL THE REGULAR DUBLIN CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2026 TO ORDER. JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MS. SALUTO? HERE. MAYOR AROSE GROOMS. HERE. VICE MAYOR DEROSA. HERE. MS. JOHNSON? HERE. MS. KEELER? HERE. MS. CRAM? HERE. DR. LAMB [ADJOURNMENT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION] HERE. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSIDERING THE EMPLOYMENT OF A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. KEELER? YES. VICE MAYOR DEROSA? YES. MS. JOHNSON? YES. DR. LAMB? YES. MAYOR AROSE GROOMS? YES. MS. CRAM? YES. MS. SALUTO? YES. I WILL REMIND THE VIEWING PUBLIC THAT WE WILL RECONVENE THIS MEETING IN THIS LOCATION AT 7:00 PM OKAY. WE WILL [RECONVENE (7PM)] NOW RECONVENE THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 4TH, 14TH, EXCUSE ME. 2026. UM, AND WENDY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF THE UNITED STATES NATION UNDER GOD INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. ALL. OKAY. WE DO [SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS/RECOGNITION ] HAVE ONE SPECIAL PRESENTATION THIS EVENING, AND, UH, SARAH HARRISON MILLS FROM SENTARA IS HERE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PLEASE COME FORWARD. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR UPDATE. HI, GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TODAY ON SENTARA SERVICES AND PROGRAMS. IT IS MY HONOR TO SERVE AS A CEO OF THE ORGANIZATION I HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR, SENT FOR ALMOST 16 YEARS. UM, AND THE MISSION OF OUR ORGANIZATION IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. THIS PAST YEAR, WE CELEBRATED 50 YEARS OF PROVIDING SERVICES FOR THE CENTRAL OHIO COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS MOST UNIQUE ABOUT SENT SERVICES IS THAT OUR ORGANIZATION WAS STARTED BY GRASSROOTS EFFORT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS FROM UPPER ARLINGTON AND DUBLIN, WHO CAME TOGETHER IN THE 1970S TO BRING MENTAL HEALTH CARE BACK INTO THE COMMUNITIES AND AWAY FROM INSTITUTIONS AND ASYLUMS. WE HAVE BEEN PARTNERING WITH THE CITY OF DUBLIN FROM WAY BACK WHEN BEFORE DUBLIN WAS EVEN A CITY, BACK WHEN IT WAS A VILLAGE. AND IT GOES BACK TO THE EARLY 1970S. WE CURRENTLY OPERATE FOUR OFFICES ACROSS CENTRAL OHIO WITH OUR PRIMARY OFFICE BEING LOCATED RIGHT HERE IN DUBLIN OFF OF FRAN ROAD. OUR MISSION IS TO ADVOCATE AND SUPPORT THE WELLBEING AND HEALTH OF INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES, AND COMMUNITIES BY PROVIDING PROFESSIONAL, COMPASSIONATE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES THAT ADAPT TO THE CHANGING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. I WILL SAY AT THE HEART OF WHAT WE DO IS OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DUBLIN, BECAUSE WE TRULY ARE WORKING COLLABORATIVELY TO BUILD PROGRAMS THAT RESPOND TO THE EMERGING NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WE'RE FACED THAT, UM, CHALLENGES THAT THEY ARE FACED WITH. WE PROVIDE SERVICES ACROSS THE CONTINUUM OF CARE AS A WAY OF MEETING PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE. SO NOT ONLY ARE WE PROVIDING MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT SERVICES, BUT WE'RE WORKING TO PROMOTE MENTAL WELLNESS, TO PROVIDE PREVENTION SERVICES, UM, BY EQUIPPING INDIVIDUALS WITH THE CRITICAL LIFE SKILLS THAT THEY NEED TO REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD OF THEM DEVELOPING A MENTAL HEALTH OR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM TREATMENT SERVICES AND THEN RES UH, SUPPORTING THEM THROUGH THEIR RECOVERY JOURNEY. THE MENTAL HEALTH PREVALENCE RATES CONTINUE TO REMAIN VERY HIGH ACROSS OUR STATE AND WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE HEALTH COW OUTCOMES IS TO IMPROVE ACCESS TO CARE. AND THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY OF DUBLIN DIRECTLY RESPONDS TO THAT NEED BY CREATING MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS FOR INDIVIDUAL TO RECEIVE ACCESS TO CARE, UM, TO HELP THEM IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THEIR LIVES. SO I'M GONNA PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE OVER THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDED THIS FIRST HALF OF 2026. SO THESE NUMBERS REPRESENT DUBLIN RESIDENTS WHO HAVE RECEIVED SERVICES FROM JANUARY THROUGH JUNE OF 2026. UM, WE HAVE SERVED 576 UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE IN THE PRIMARY ZIP CODES OF 4 3 0 1 6 AND 4 3 0 1 7, UM, IN A VARIETY OF SERVICES. SO OUTPATIENT THERAPY SERVICES, PSYCHIATRY AND MEDICATION MANAGEMENT CASE MANAGEMENT, OLDER ADULT SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, AND CAREGIVER SUPPORT SERVICES, AND OTHER SPECIALIZED OUTREACH AND SUPPORT SERVICE PROGRAMS. WE'VE PROVIDED WELL OVER 1700 HOURS OF SERVICE TO DUBLIN RESIDENTS THIS FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR. ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES LIAISON. UH, THIS REPRESENTS DATA FROM THE FIRST HALF OF THE, OF THIS YEAR. THIS PROGRAM STARTED IN NOVEMBER OF 2023, SO WE'RE COMING UP ON THREE FULL YEARS OF THIS PROGRAM. AND TO DATE, WE HAVE RECEIVED 514 [00:05:01] REFERRALS. SO WE HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIAN THAT IS EMBEDDED IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THIS IS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL, WHO IS ABLE TO RECEIVE REFERRALS DIRECTLY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT RELATED TO INDIVIDUALS OR CALLS THAT THEY'VE HAD FROM INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE SOME KIND OF A MENTAL HEALTH OR RESOURCE INSECURITY NEED. UH, THIS YEAR, THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR, WE HAVE RECEIVED 109 REFERRALS. 90 OR 83 OR 85%. OF THOSE 93 REFERRALS WERE FROM FRANKLIN COUNTY. THE OTHER WERE FROM DELAWARE AND UNION COUNTY. UM, A VARIETY OF AGES. YOU'LL SEE THE PRIMARY, UH, AGE RANGE FOR REFERRALS, 30 TO 39 YEARS OF AGE, UM, AND A VARIETY OF PRI UM, PRIMARY IDENTIFIED NEEDS WITH THE TOP TWO BEING CRISIS SERVICES AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. SO THROUGH THIS PARTNERSHIP, WE'RE ABLE TO MEET WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS, HELP THEM GET LINKED WITH THE NEEDED RESOURCES AND REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD OF THEIR NEEDING TO BE LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE IN THE FUTURE. WE ALSO HAVE A STRONG PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF, OR WITH DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE SCHOOL-BASED SERVICES. WE HAVE HAD THIS PARTNERSHIP, UH, FOR MULTIPLE YEARS GOING BACK TO 2013. UM, THIS PAST SCHOOL YEAR, WE'VE SUPPORTED CLOSE TO 3000 STUDENTS AND CAREGIVERS IN DIRECT PARTNERSHIP WITH DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS. UM, AND WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO ENROLL AND PROVIDE SUMMER BASED PROGRAM TO 249 DUBLIN CITY SCHOOL STUDENTS. I KNOW THERE ARE ALSO DUBLIN RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN HILLIARD CITY SCHOOLS, AND WE ALSO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR HILLIARD CITY SCHOOLS AS WELL. WE'VE ALSO BEEN ABLE TO DELIVER SPECIALIZED EDUCATION AND TRAINING SEMINARS TO DUBLIN PROFESSIONALS, EDUCATORS, AND RESIDENTS ON A VARIETY OF TOPICS THAT ARE LISTED HERE. OUR GOAL WITH THESE SERVICES IS TO PREVENT THE LIKELIHOOD OF THOSE STUDENTS AND INDIVIDUALS IN DEVELOPING A MENTAL HEALTH OR SUBSTANCE USE CONCERN. SO OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IS IN THAT PREVENTION ARENA AND EQUIPPING THE TEACHERS AND EDUCATORS AND PARENTS AND BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND RESPOND TO, UH, STUDENTS WHO MAY PRESENT WITH CONCERNS. WE ALSO, THIS, UH, SPRING LAUNCHED THE COMMUNITY WELLNESS NAVIGATOR. THIS WAS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DUBLIN WELLNESS ALLIANCE. SO WE HAVE A SENTA CASE MANAGER THAT WORKS OUT OF THE DUBLIN COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER TWO TIMES A WEEK ON TUESDAYS, FOUR TO SIX AND THURSDAYS FROM 10 TO 12 TO HELP LINK DUBLIN RESIDENTS WITH NEEDED SERVICES AND RESOURCES. WE ARE STILL, THIS IS STILL A PILOT AND WE ARE STILL WORKING ON GETTING THE OUTREACH OUT THERE. UM, BUT ON THE VERY FIRST DAY THAT OUR, UH, DUBLIN THAT OUR WELLNESS NAVIGATOR WAS AT THE REC CENTER, AN INDIVIDUAL CAME IN WITH THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH ARTICLE AND SAID, I NEED SUPPORT. AND THIS WAS AN UNHOUSED INDIVIDUAL, UM, WHO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET LINKED WITH CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES TO HELP THEM, UM, MOVE TOWARDS SOME STABILIZATION. WE ALSO ARE PROUD TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF DUBLIN WITH THE FOREVER DUBLIN PROGRAM BY HOUSING THE FOREVER DUBLIN HUB. UM, WE ALSO PROVIDE INTENSIVE OUTREACH AND OTHER SENIOR SUPPORT SERVICES THAT ARE FUNDED THROUGH THE FRANKLIN COUNTY OFFICE ON AGING AND THE ADAM H BOARD OF FRANKLIN COUNTY. UH, DURING THE FIRST HALF OF 2026, WE FIELDED 22 DIRECT INQUIRIES. THOSE WERE INDIVIDUALS DROPPING BY OUR OFFICE, EMAILING OR, UM, CALLING US. AND THEN I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT IN JULY AND AUGUST, WE'VE, WE'VE ALMOST MATCHED THAT IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THE YEARS WITH 19 INDIVIDUALS CALLING, UM, THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT INCREASING MARKETING AND COMMUNICATION ABOUT THIS SERVICE. AND I, WE CAN SEE THAT RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN THE NUMBERS OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE AWARE OF THE FOREVER DUBLIN NAVIGATOR AND BEING ABLE TO, UM, CONTACT US FOR CARE. SOME OF THE PRIMARY IDENTIFIED NEEDS ARE LISTED THERE. UM, RECREATION AND SOCIAL ENGAGEMENT, FINANCIAL RESOURCES, MEDICARE NAVIGATION, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE EDUCATION OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE OFTEN OFFER, UM, LINKAGE WITH MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES OR BUDGETING. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HEARING MOST RECENTLY FROM OLDER ADULTS IN DUBLIN IS, UM, CONCERNS AROUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IN AND OLDER ADULTS WHO ARE AT RISK OF LOSING THEIR HOUSING. SO THAT HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF THE CALLS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN JUST OVER THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA HIGHLIGHT IS BEHIND EVERY ONE OF ONE OF THESE NUMBERS AS A PERSON, A FAMILY, A NEIGHBOR, A FRIEND, UM, AND I HAVE A COUPLE STORIES JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE IMPACT BECAUSE THE NUMBERS TELL ONE PART OF THE STORY. UM, BUT I THINK THE, THE LIFE'S TOUCH TELL A WHOLE NOTHER PART OF THE STORY. UH, SO AS AN EXAMPLE FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES LIAISON PARTNERSHIP IS, UM, WE RECEIVED A REFERRAL FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AFTER THEY HAD RESPONDED TO A RESIDENT WHO WAS IN SEVERE DISTRESS FROM SUBSTANCE USE AND HAD EXPLICIT SUICIDAL IDEATION, UM, FOLLOWING THE LOSS OF HIS HOUSING AND ESTRANGEMENT FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE OF HOW HE WAS PRESENTING AND THE RISK OF HARM, IMMINENT RISK OF HARM TO SELF, HE WAS PINK SLIPPED, UM, AND PLACED IN AN INVOLUNTARY HOSPITALIZATION. FOLLOWING HIS DISCHARGE FROM THE HOSPITAL, OUR PSSL CLINICIAN WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH HIM, PROVIDE AN ASSESSMENT, AND GET HIM LINKED WITH ONGOING CARE, UM, HOPEFULLY REDUCING THE LIKELIHOOD THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK INTO A HOSPITAL SETTING, UM, OR BE OR HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTACTING HIM. SO THIS EXAMPLE DEMONSTRATES HOW THAT PARTNERSHIP CAN DIVERT VULNERABLE ON HOUSE [00:10:01] RESIDENTS AWAY, AWAY FROM THAT CONTINUOUS CRISIS CYCLE, AND HELP THEM GET LINKED WITH SERVICES THAT CAN HELP SUPPORT THEIR STABILIZATION. WE ALSO HAD A MOTHER WHO WAS GOING THROUGH A CONTESTED DIVORCE CALL THE POLICE JUST TO DOCUMENT THE ESCALATION IN THEIR PHONE CONTACT. SHE WAS UNABLE TO BLOCK THE NUMBER BECAUSE THEY SHARED A CHILD. UM, THE POLICE OFFICER RECOGNIZED THE UNDERLYING STRAIN AND, AND REFERRED THIS INDIVIDUAL TO OUR, UH, PUBLIC SERVICES SAFETY LIAISON, WHO WAS ABLE THEN TO CONNECT WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL, GET THEM LINKED WITH MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT SERVICES, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RESOURCES, AND TO GET THEM CONNECTED WITH THE GUARDIAN AD LITEM TO HELP SUPPORT THE WELLBEING OF THE CHILDREN AND HAVE A, AN A, A PERSON THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY THERE TO SUPPORT THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD. I WANNA THANK CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR, THE CITY MANAGER FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR ORGANIZATION. UM, TOGETHER WE ARE WORKING TO BUILD A RESILIENT DUBLIN. UM, I KNOW THIS IS VERY WELL ALIGNED WITH YOUR FOCUSED AREAS. UM, THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE IS UNHEARD OF AND OTHER COMMUNITIES. IT, IT, IT TRULY IS CUTTING EDGE AND DEMONSTRATES YOUR COMMITMENT TO SUPPORTING RESIDENTS AND ENSURING THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO CRITICAL RESOURCES TO ENSURE THEIR STABILIZATION. SO THANK YOU. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE'S TIME ALLOWED. WE ARE REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO, AND SIMPLY BY LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, IT'S INDICATIVE OF HOW IMPORTANT IT'S SO, UM, WE, WE CERTAINLY DO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU, THE HARD WORK THAT YOU DO IN KEEPING OUR RESIDENTS SAFE AND THE COMMITMENT TO, UM, IMPROVING THE STATE OF MENTAL HEALTH AND THE COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. THIS BRINGS US TO [CITIZEN COMMENTS ] THE CITIZEN COMMENTS PORTION OF OUR AGENDA. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, CITIZENS TO COMMENT ON ANY TOPIC THAT IS NOT ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA. UH, AS A REMINDER, WE ASK THAT YOU SIGN IN ON YOUR WAY IN. IF YOU DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN IN AS YOU ENTERED INTO THE BUILDING. UH, WE WILL TAKE YOUR COMMENTS AT THE END. LINDSAY, DO WE HAVE ANY ONE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK ON ITEMS? NOT ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA. GOOD EVENING. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE REGISTERED TO SPEAK. IT APPEARS THEY'RE ALL HERE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS ON THE AGENDA. VERY GOOD. IS THERE ANYONE HERE PRESENT THERE? THERE'S, SORRY. THERE IS ONE PERSON WHO SIGNED IN TO SPEAK THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. , DARI WALL. WELCOME. COME FORWARD. DID YOU WANNA SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA OR NO, NO, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA OR NO, YOU DID NOT. UM, IT'S NOT ON. GREAT. WE'LL COME FORWARD. THIS IS YOUR, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY ITEMS THAT ARE, ARE NOT ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA. WELCOME. IF YOU COULD PLEASE START BY, UH, STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. YEAH. UH, UH, AL, RESIDENT OF DUBLIN, 5 3 8 5 DRUM, KELLY LANE, DUBLIN, OHIO. UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UH, RESPECTED MADAM MAYOR. RESPECTED COUNCIL MEMBERS, RESPECTED CHIEF RESPECTED FELLOW CITIZEN. UM, HOPE EVERYONE IS WELL. UH, A FEW DAYS AGO WE MARKED THE ANNIVERSARY OF A NINE 11, UH, TRAGEDY, AN EVENT THAT SHOOK OUR SHARED HUMANITY AND AFFECTED THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES. IT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD NEVER FOR, UH, FORGET. UH, TODAY I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER AND EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE TO THE HEROES WHO SERVED AND CONTINUE TO SERVE AS A FIREFIGHTER AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. WE HONOR THOSE WHO SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES WITHOUT HESITATION, WHILE SAVING OTHERS DURING THAT TRAGEDY. AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THOSE WHO EVERY DAY PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE TO PROTECT AND HELP OTHERS. WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE GRATEFUL TO THEM. AND WHENEVER WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, TAKE A MOMENT TO SHOW OUR APPRECIATION. WITH THAT, THANK YOU TO ALL THE FIREFIGHTERS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO TO PROTECT AND SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES. YOUR COURAGE, SACRIFICE, AND COMMITMENT MEAN MORE THAN WHAT CAN EXPRESS. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS ON AN ITEM? NOT ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA. HEARING NONE. UH, IS [CONSENT AGENDA ] THERE A REQUEST TO REMOVE ANY ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTING OF FOUR ITEMS OF MEETING MINUTES? HEARING NONE, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. CRA? YES. MAYOR AMBROSE GROOMS? YES. MR. KEELER? YES. DR. LAMB? YES. MS. A LUDO? YES. MS. JOHNSON? YES. VICE MAYOR DEROSA? YES. OKAY. THIS BRINGS US [Ordinance 46-26 ] TO SECOND READING, PUBLIC HEARING ORDINANCES PORTION OF OUR AGENDA. AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH ORDINANCE 46 DASH 26 [00:15:01] AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AND ACCEPT NECESSARY CONVEYANCE DOCUMENTS AND CONTRACTS TO ACQUIRE 0.032 ACRE PERMANENT PERPETUAL PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT FROM THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 4 0 5 MAY APPLE COURT, IDENTIFIED AS FRANKLIN COUNTY PARCEL NUMBER 2 7 3 0 0 9 0 1 3 0 0 FROM JOHN A KELLI AND SHELLY L KELLI FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING THE RIVERSIDE DRIVE, SHARED USE PATH, WATER MAIN AND SANITARY SEWER EXTENSIONS AND RELATED STREET MAINTENANCE PROJECT, WHICH SHALL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT CHARGE. WELL, GOOD. AND WE HAVE, I BELIEVE FOR THE FIRST TIME, UH, TO PRESENT TO US THIS EVENING, MR. JEREMY HOYT. WELCOME. THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I HAVE NO NEW INFORMATION OR ANY UPDATES TO REPORT ON THIS. SO THIS IS A, A, A VERY DETAILED, UH, PRESENTATION THAT I HAVE. FIRST PITCH IS AN EASY ONE OVER THE MIDDLE . VERY GOOD. UH, IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION HEARING AND SEEING NONE? COUNCIL QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? WE SHOULD HAVE WORKED AT A HARD QUESTION. WE DIDN'T. YEAH. JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MAYOR AROSE GROOMS? YES. MS. CRAM? YES. MS. JOHNSON? YES. VICE MAYOR DEROSA? YES. MR. KEELER? YES. DR. LAMB? YES. MS. SALUTO? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, [Ordinance 47-26 ] NEXT WE WILL HEAR ORDINANCE 47 DASH 26 PETITIONING THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF MADISON COUNTY, OHIO TO ADJUST THE BOUNDARY LINES OF DERBY TOWNSHIP SO AS TO EXCLUDE THAT TERRITORY, THAT AS A RESULT OF ANNEXATION NOW LIES WITHIN THE CORPORATE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. OUR STAFF REPORT WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD THIS EVENING BY PHIL HARTMAN. WELCOME. UH, THANK YOU COUNSEL. UH, THERE WERE NO ADDITIONAL NEW MATTERS AND THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM LAST FIRST RATING, SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN TRY TO ANSWER 'EM NOW. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION HEARING AND SEEING NONE. COUNCIL QUESTIONS DISCUSSION? JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE VICE MAYOR DEROSA? YES. MAYOR AROSE GROOMS? YES. MS. JOHNSON? YES. DR. LAMB? YES. MS. SOLUDO? YES. MR. KEELER? YES. MS. CRAM? YES. OKAY. [Ordinance 48-26 ] THIS BRINGS US TO THE INTRODUCTION. FIRST READING ORDINANCES PORTION OF OUR AGENDA. AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH ORDINANCE 48 DASH 26 REZONING APPROXIMATELY 10.8 ACRES FROM R TWO, LIMITED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL AND R ONE B TO PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A MEMORIAL PRESERVE WITH ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF ZONING CODE SECTION 1 5 3 0.050. I WANNA DO THAT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. AND OUR STAFF REPORT WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD THIS EVENING BY SARAH HOLT. WELCOME. THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. THIS IS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS BY PLANNING COMMISSION IN JUNE. THE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN MET AT THIS TIME. WE'RE NOW REQUESTING APPROVAL ON THE REZONING AND THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT SECOND READING. TONIGHT. WE ARE LOOKING AT LAND USE AND DENSITIES, SITE LAYOUT INTEGRATION WITH SURROUNDING USES, AND WE'RE USING THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT CODE CRITERIA FOR OUR APPROVALS. THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THE FINAL STEP WHERE THE PROJECT DETAILS ARE SOLIDIFIED. THAT STEP IS THE PURVIEW OF PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH IS ALSO A PUBLIC PROCESS. THE LOCATION AND, UH, THE POTENTIAL ZONING IS INDICATED HERE WITH THE PUD BEING IDENTIFIED IN THE YELLOW BOX. THE CHURCH OWNS THE LAND DIRECTLY WEST TO AVERY. ROAD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOUND THAT BOTH ENVISION DUBLIN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ARE MET. AS EXPLAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT. SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, THE CHURCH HAS CONDUCTED ADDITIONAL MEETINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS AND NUMEROUS CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE. AND THESE INCLUDE REMOVAL OF THE EASTERNMOST DRIVEWAY, IDENTIFICATION OF SMALL, MEDIUM, AND LARGE COLUMN AREA, MAXIMUM SIZES FOR EACH OF THOSE COLUM AREA CATEGORIES, A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF COLUM AREA AND NICHES. AND CLARIFIED THAT THE CHAPEL COLUM AREA COUNT TOWARDS THE IDENTIFIED MAXIMUMS. ADDITIONALLY, THE SETBACK ON RINGS ROAD FOR ALL MARKERS AND PLOTS HAS BEEN INCREASED. THERE HAS BEEN AN EXPANSION OF THE EAST BUFFER AND SCREENING AREA AND THERE HAS BEEN ADDED, UH, INTERNAL BUFFERING AND SCREENINGS FROM RINGS ROAD. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE NEIGHBORS STILL DO NOT SUPPORT THIS [00:20:01] PROJECT. THESE PHOTOS SHOW THE SOUTH SIDE OF RINGS. ROAD ACCESS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS MORE CLOSELY ON THE SITE PLAN. THESE ARE EXISTING ACCESS POINTS, AND THE ONE AT 6,001 RINGS IS GOING TO BE REMOVED. THESE ARE ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD VIEWS ON EACH SIDE OF RINGS. ROAD 59 65 RINGS IS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF THIS PROJECT SITE. AND THESE ARE SOME INTERIOR PHOTOGRAPHS WE SEE AT KRAMER DITCH. AND THEN SORT OF A GENERAL LANDSCAPE. AND THEN THE CLOSEST POINT TO THAT NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY EAST AT 59 65. SO I PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED THE CHANGES MADE TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEST TEXT AT THE REQUEST OF THE NEIGHBORS. THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO HIGHLIGHT. THE MEMORIAL GARDENS ARE ONLY FOR USE OF CHURCH MEMBERS. THERE ARE LIMITED MEMORIAL SERVICE TIMES TO AVOID PEAK TRAFFIC HOURS. THE NUMBER OF BURIALS PER YEAR IS LIMITED TO 10 TO 12. THE COLUMN BARRIER NUMBERS AND SIZES THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT ARE MAXIMUMS. PHASING IS BASED ON NEED WHERE PHASE THREE IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR USE UNTIL PHASES ONE AND TWO ARE FULL. THE GROUND PLOTS ARE LIMITED TO 28 50 IN TOTAL. AND THE COLUMN AREA STRUCTURES, IF YOU WILL, ARE LIMITED TO 120. ALSO KRAMER DITCH AND ITS FLOODPLAIN. AND THE STORMWATER FEATURES ARE IN SEPARATE PLANNING AREAS FOR BEST MANAGEMENT. AND THE BUFFERS ARE ALL TO BE INSTALLED IN PHASE ONE. THIS MAP SHOWS THE SUB AREAS AND JUST TO GET YOU ORIENTED, THE GRAY AREAS ARE THE DRIVES AND THE PARKING SUB AREA A REMAINS LARGELY AS IS. IT'S A CHURCH RELATED HOUSE THAT IS CURRENTLY USED FOR SMALL GATHERINGS AND, UM, WILL ONLY HAVE ACCESS ON THE WESTERN DRIVEWAY. SUB AREA B IS FOR BURIAL LOCATIONS WITH A VARIETY OF OPTIONS. AS NOTED ON THE SLIDE. SETBACKS ALONG RINGS ROAD ARE 75 FEET FOR ALL MARKERS. AND AGAIN, THERE'S ONLY ONE ACCESS POINT FROM RINGS. NOW, UH, THE MAIN ACCESS IS FROM THE WEST AT THE EXISTING CHURCH PARKING LOT, AND WE'LL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT IN A MOMENT. THE SETBACKS ON THE EAST SIDE HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED AT 40 FEET FOR ALL RAISED MARKERS AND COLUM AREA. AND THIS SUB AREA ALSO ALLOWS A CHAPEL AND MEMORIAL ART AND MARKERS. SUBAR C IS FOR KRAMER DITCH IN ITS FLOODPLAIN WITH VERY LIMITED USES. TREES ARE TO BE PRESERVED AND ENHANCED D IS FOR THE EAST, SOUTH AND INTERIOR BUFFERS. E IS FOR PRESERVED GREEN SPACE, INCLUDING EXISTING CHURCH GATHERINGS, SCATTER GARDENS, URNS, THE SMALLEST COLUMN AREA, AND F IS ONLY FOR STORMWATER FACILITIES. SO NOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S INCLUDED, THIS ILLUSTRATIVE VIEW IS THE EASIEST WAY TO SEE AND KIND OF INTERPRET HOW ALL THESE PIECES COME TOGETHER. ACCESS OCCURS HERE WITH THE PRIMARY ACCESS FROM THE EXISTING CHURCH PARKING LOT ON THE WEST. THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE HOUSE REMAINS, AS WE'VE NOTED, AND THAT CENTER ACCESS POINT IS NOW TWO-WAY AND GATED. THE CHAPEL IS THE ONLY BUILDING ON THE SITE, AND IT'S DESIGNED WILL BE REFINED AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF LIMITED PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THE BUFFERING OCCURS ON THE EAST AND SOUTH SIDES, AND THESE SKETCHES SHOW THAT NEW EDGE, EASTERN EDGE BUFFER CONCEPTS. LOOKING BRIEFLY AT PHASING AND IMPLEMENTATION, EACH OF THESE GRAPHICS SHOWS THE PHASED IMPROVEMENTS IN COLOR WITH THE OTHER PHASES GRAYED OUT. SO GENERALLY PHASES ONE AND TWO ARE NORTH OF THE RED LINE WITH PHASE THREE SOUTH OF THE RED LINE. AND AGAIN, THE BUFFERS IN DARK GREEN ARE INCLUDED IN PHASE ONE. PHASE TWO HAS THE NORTHERN MEMORIAL GARDEN SHOWN IN YELLOW. PHASE THREE HAS THE MEMORIAL GARDENS AND A DRIVEWAY SYSTEM SHOWN, UM, IN YELLOW AS WELL. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT [00:25:01] ALL DEVELOPMENT IS PRIVATE. THERE ARE NO PUBLIC UTILITIES OR ROADS NEEDED WITH THIS PROJECT. STAFF NOTES THAT ALL PUD AND PDP APPROVAL CRITERIA ARE MET AS DESCRIBED, AND THEREFORE STAFF IS REQUESTING APPROVAL AT SECOND READING LATER IN SEPTEMBER. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'LL TAKE A MOMENT, UM, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I WILL, UH, REMIND MANY OF YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING BEFORE, BUT PUBLIC COMMENT IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES WHEN YOU BEGIN SPEAKING THE GREEN LIGHT, WE'LL SHOW THERE. AND, UM, AS YOUR TIME COMES TO NEAR A CLOSE, THE YELLOW LIGHT WILL BLINK. AND THEN WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, UH, THE RED LIGHT WILL BLINK. UM, I WILL, THERE HAD BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT DEFERRING MINUTES TO OTHER PEOPLE. THIS IS NOT A CONGRESSIONAL HEARING, THIS IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HEAR FROM YOU. SO, UM, EACH INDIVIDUAL THAT CHOOSES TO SPEAK WILL BE, WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES, BUT, UH, WE WILL NOT BE DEFERRING OUR TIME TO OTHER PEOPLE THIS EVENING. SO WITH THAT, LINDSAY, DO WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT HAVE SIGNED IN? WE HAVE SEVERAL. UM, FIRST I WANTED TO MENTION THAT ALL COMMENTS SUBMITTED ONLINE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO COUNSEL AHEAD OF TONIGHT'S MEETING. UH, THE FIRST PERSON TO SIGN IN TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC IS MIKE BRITT. VERY GOOD. WELCOME. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. UH, THERE'S A BUTTON THERE FOR YOU TO PRESS AND THERE'LL BE A GREEN LIGHT. THERE YOU GO. YOU GOT IT. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S MIKE BRITT. UH, MY BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 41 SOUTH HIGH STREET. I'M A ATTORNEY AT THE, UH, LAW FIRM OF PORTER WRIGHT. UH, BUT MY RESIDENCE IS, UH, 51 25 CHAFFIN COURT. I LIVE HERE IN DUBLIN. AND, UH, I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO MENTION. BUT I'VE BEEN RETAINED ON BEHALF OF, UH, A LOT OF CONCERNED RESIDENTS HERE THAT ARE GONNA BE IMPACTED BY THE CHURCH'S PLANS. AND, UM, I THINK SIMPLY STATED, THE THRUST OF THE, UH, OPPOSITION IS, UM, THERE'S MANY LAYERS TO IT, BUT FOR MY INVOLVEMENT IS SIMPLE. UM, THERE'S AN OHIO REVISED CODE STATUTE, UH, SECTION 1720 1.03 THAT SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS A CEMETERY LOCATED BY A RELIGIOUS SOCIETY, UH, FROM LOCATING A CEMETERY WITHIN A HUNDRED YARDS OF A DWELLING HOME. UM, AND BASED ON OUR CURRENT UNDERSTANDING OF THE PLAN, UH, THAT STATUTE IS, IS DIRECTLY VIOLATED BY THE CURRENT PLANS. UH, THERE'S AT LEAST 12 DWELLING HOMES THAT ARE GONNA BE WITHIN THIS RESTRICTED AREA. AND, UM, OUR UNDERSTANDING'S ALSO THAT THE CHURCH CANNOT MEET ANY OF THE EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE THERE. UM, THEY'VE NOT RECEIVED CONSENT FROM THESE LANDOWNERS, AND THERE'S NOT ALREADY AN EXISTING CEMETERY THAT'S CURRENTLY IN USE. UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THE WAY WE READ THE STATUTE IS THAT IT'S MANDATORY AND THAT IT'S A STATE STATUTE. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT YOUR GUYS' ZONING CODE. IT'S NOT DUBLIN ZONING CODE. UM, AND IT MUST BE COMPLIED WITH HERE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR A LOT MORE FROM THE OTHER RESIDENTS AND FOR MANY OTHER REASONS. AND, UM, I HOPE THAT YOU LISTEN TO THEM AND HEAR THOSE OTHER REASONS. BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS ISN'T DEALT WITH AND CONSIDERED BY THE CHURCH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN RETAINED TO, UM, ADDRESS THIS WITH YOU, UM, AND TAKE IT ANY STEP FURTHER THAT NEEDS TO AND ADDRESS IT WITH ANY OF THE, UH, APPROPRIATE APPELLATE PROCEDURES. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND, UH, AGAIN, PLEASE LISTEN TO, UM, THE OTHER CONCERNED RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU LINDSEY. NEXT, FLOYD BASSER, WELCOME. IF YOU PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. FLOYD BALTIC, 71 43 KAMAN ROAD, DUBLIN, OHIO, 4 3 0 1 7. I'VE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM ST. JOHN'S CHURCH AS DAY ONE. WE STARTED OUT WITH A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION TO TRY TO WORK OUT. PLANNING AND ZONING FOLKS HAVE BEEN JUST OUTSTANDING. EVERY TIME THEY ASK FOR SOMETHING, WE WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. WE'VE HAD MANY, MANY MEETINGS WITH A RESIDENCE. WE LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS. WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO SATISFY THEM. I DON'T EVER REMEMBER A TIME WHEN WE HAD ANY BIG ISSUES WITH ANYBODY. I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. IT'S NOT GONNA BE YOUR TYPICAL CEMETERY. IT'S GONNA BE A MEMORIAL CARD. AND YOU, LIKE YOU SAW ON THE, ON THE SCREEN, THERE'S SO MANY OPTIONS OUT THERE. WHEN PEOPLE DRIVE BY RINGS ROAD, THEY REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A CEMETERY, IT'S GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL. AND I RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL, I'LL APPROVE [00:30:01] THIS TONIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, LINDSAY. NEXT, ROBERT BRAS WELCOME. IF YOU PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S ROBERT BRAS. I RESIDE AT 59 39 GLEN VILLAGE DRIVE, DUBLIN, OHIO. AND, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD JUST SAY TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE GREAT PLACE THAT DUBLIN IS TO LIVE. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR 15 YEARS AND I TOLD THE ZONING COMMITTEE THE SAME THING, THE GREEN SPACE, THE BEAUTY OF THE CITY. UM, IT'S REALLY A GREAT PLACE AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP HERE. OUR CHURCH IS OVER 150 YEARS OLD. WE'VE BEEN IN DUBLIN FOR OVER 150 YEARS, AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE HAVE NEVER CREATED ANY ISSUES WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S EVER COMPLAINED ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE. WE'VE BEEN GOOD CITIZENS AND GOOD NEIGHBORS OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN. UM, SOME OF THE OBJECTIONS TO THIS I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS QUICKLY TONIGHT. UH, THE FIRST ONE WAS A MISCONCEPTION THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A LARGE PUBLIC CEMETERY. AS YOU KNOW, NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A SMALL PRIVATE MEMBERS ONLY MEMORIAL PARK. UM, PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC. ACTUALLY, TRAFFIC WILL BE REDUCED BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE NO LONGER WE'LL BE LEAVING THE PREMISES NORMALLY IN A, UM, FUNERAL PROCESSION. NOW WE LEAVE THE PREMISES, WE SHUT DOWN THE TRAFFIC IN DUBLIN AND WE'RE TRAVELING LIKE 10 MILES OR MORE OUT. AND NOT ONLY WILL IT REDUCE TRAFFIC, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA MAKE THINGS SAFER, UH, FOR EVERYBODY IN DUBLIN. UM, AND AGAIN, YOU SAW THERE'S ONLY 10 OR 12 FUNERALS A YEAR. SO THIS, THIS ISN'T LIKE WE HAVE FUNERALS EVERY WEEK AND THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC. UH, SOME PEOPLE OBJECTED TO A SITE OF A MEMORIAL PARK, A CEMETERY. BUT IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE PLAN ITSELF, IT'S GOING TO BE SO FAR SET BACK FROM RINGS ROAD. MOST PEOPLE WILL NOT EVEN REALIZE THAT THERE IS A MEMORIAL PARKER CEMETERY HERE, UNLIKE THAT CURRENT CEMETERY THAT SITS AT RINGS ROAD AND, AND AVERY, THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE. AND THAT CEMETERY WAS THERE A LOT LONGER THAN BEFORE PEOPLE MOVED IN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THE OBJECTION TO A SITE OF A CEMETERY JUST, JUST DOESN'T STICK. 'CAUSE THAT CEMETERY ON CORNER OF RINGS AND AVERY'S BEEN IN THERE FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. UM, SOME PEOPLE SAID, WELL, WE DON'T OBJECT, YOU KNOW, TO THE CEMETERY ITSELF, BUT BUILD IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. I CAN TELL YOU WE LOOKED, WE LOOKED, WE LOOKED AT OTHER, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, BUT LAND IS NOT CHEAP AROUND DUBLIN. ALRIGHT? AND WHEN IT GOT DOWN TO FINANCIALS AND LOGISTICS, IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO DESIGN THIS ON OUR OWN, ON OUR OWN PROPERTIES. SO WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO THE OBJECTIONS THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT, THAT IT HOLDS WATER. SO, UM, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING AS, AS JEAN SAID, THAT THE ZONING COMMITTEE HAS ASKED US TO DO. UM, THE ZONING COMMITTEE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY, SEVEN TO ZERO TWO, EXCEPT, UM, OUR PROPOSAL AND, UH, IN RESPECTIVELY, I ASKED THE CITY COUNCIL OF DUBLIN TO DO ALSO THE SAME. SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, LINDSAY. NEXT, DAVID PATCH, WELCOME. IF YOU'D PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. HELLO, I'M DAVID PATCH. I LIVE AT ONE MARINOVA PLACE IN COLUMBUS, OHIO. UH, BUT I DO HAVE QUITE A FEW PROPERTIES OUT IN THIS DUBLIN HILLIARD, AMLIN AREA. SO, UM, I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH FOR 64 YEARS, WAS BORN AND RAISED THERE. UM, I AM ON THE COMMITTEE FOR THE CEMETERY AND HAVE BEEN ON THE LAND USE COMMITTEES. UH, WE HAVE LOOKED AT OTHER PROJECTS FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT WE OWN WITH THE, THE CHURCH, BUT WE FEEL CURRENTLY THAT THE CEMETERY IS THE BEST OPTION. UM, IT IS GOING TO JUST, AS YOU'VE SEEN, IT'S JUST A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD PASS, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THERE'S SOME OTHER PANDEMIC OR SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF. BUT, UM, IT IS AT THE MOMENT FOR, OR NOT THE MOMENT, BUT IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE FOR THE CHURCH MEMBERS ONLY. UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE HAVING 5,000 PEOPLE A YEAR THAT ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE BURIED HERE. THE OTHER THING IS I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE, UH, TRIED TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS, UM, OF THE COMMUNITY. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL OPPOSITION TO IT, AND THAT'S FINE. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO THEIR OPINION AS WELL. UH, WE HOPE TO MAKE IT A BEAUTIFUL PLACE AND WE'RE ALL GONNA PASS AWAY, ALL OF US, EVERYONE IN THE ROOM. SO, UH, AT SOME PLACE WE'RE GONNA, AT SOME TIME, WE'RE GONNA NEED A PLACE TO BE BURIED. WE'RE IN AN URN OR SOMETHING. UM, BUT WE'RE HOPING TO MAKE THIS PROPERTY, UH, TO BE A PLACE THAT YOU CAN REST AND THEN ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AND BEYOND. UM, SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THE, THE CEMETERY, SO I HOPE THAT YOU'LL APPROVE IT AND VOTE FOR IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LINDSAY. NEXT, [00:35:01] WILLIAM YODER. WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BILL YODER. I LIVE AT 56 61 WILCOX ROAD. UM, MY WIFE AND, UH, I HAVE LIVED, UH, IN THIS, IN THIS PART OF DUBLIN FOR OVER 50 YEARS. IN 1990, WE WORKED ALONGSIDE THE CITY TO HELP ANNEX THIS VERY LAND IN DUBLIN IN THE FIRST PLACE, WE DIDN'T JUST SIGN A PETITION AND WALK AWAY, WE SAT WITH CITY PLANNERS, WITH DEVELOPERS, AND WITH OUR NEIGHBORS TO HELP DESIGN A LAND USE PLAN THAT WOULD LET THIS AREA GROW THE RIGHT WAY. SINCE THEN, WE'VE STAYED INVOLVED. WE'VE WORKED WITH DEVELOPERS TO MAKE SURE NEW CONSTRUCTION HERE MET A STANDARD THEY HAVE DUBLIN, NOT JUST THE CHEAPEST THING THAT WOULD GET APPROVED. WE WORKED WITH THE CITY TO SOLVE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ON OUR STREETS. WE ORGANIZED WITH OUR NEIGHBORS WHEN OVERHEAD, HIGH VOLTAGE POWER LINES THREATENED TO CUT OUR SKIES AND PROPERTY VALUES, AND WE HELPED FIND A BETTER SOLUTION THAT SAVED DUBLIN REAL MONEY. IN THE PROCESS, WE PETITIONED TO CREATE CALVIN BOCK PARK SO FAMILIES WOULD HAVE A PLACE TO GATHER. I SAY ALL OF THIS NOT TO BOAST, BUT BECAUSE I WANT CITY COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT NEWCOMERS SHOWING UP TO BLOCK SOMETHING WE DON'T UNDERSTAND. WE HAVE SPENT MORE THAN HALF OF OUR LIVES HELPING BUILD THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THIS CITY ONE DECISION AT A TIME. THIS PROPOSAL WOULDN'T FOREVER ALTER THE FABRIC OF WHAT WE BUILT. AND I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING DIRECTLY TO THIS COUNCIL. I KNOW DUBLIN IS FULL OF GREAT PLANNERS. I HAVE WORKED WITH MANY OF THEM. THIS REACTIVE, UNDERSIZED PUD IS NOT GREAT PLANNING. IT IS A GREAT WORK AROUND NOT A PLAN. JUDY AND I LOVE TO WORK WITH DUBLIN. AGAIN, THE WAY WE ALWAYS HAVE TO HELP CREATE A REAL MASTER PLAN CEMETERY ON A SITE THAT MEETS ALL OF DUBLIN'S OWN ZONING STANDARDS IN OHIO LAW. UH, DESI DESIGNED TO SERVE THE WHOLE DUBLIN COMMUNITY, NOT JUST ONE CONGREGATION. PLEASE DENY THIS PROPOSAL TONIGHT AND LET'S START A PROCESS WHERE WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER AGAIN TO BUILD SOMETHING GREAT FOR ALL GENERATIONS OF DUBLIN. I HAVE, I, I'VE LISTENED TO MANY OF SOME OF THE SPEAKERS HERE, UH, DISCUSS WHAT THEY THOUGHT, WHY THEY THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD PROPOSAL. I HAVE. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, I CAN'T GO INTO ALL THE REASONS WHY THAT IS NOT TRUE, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE HAVE SUBMITTED, UH, ELECTRONICALLY AND, AND IN A FEW DAYS WE'LL FINISH UP BY SUBMITTING THESE BOOKS. THIS ONE IS 120 PAGES LONG OF RESEARCH INTO CEMETERIES AND WHY THEY WON'T WORK AT THAT SITE. AND, UH, WE, AS I SAY, WE WOULD SURE LIKE TO, UH, JUMP IN AND WORK WITH EVERYONE TO GET A BETTER CEMETERY SITE LOCATED. I KNOW DUBLIN IS NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THIS TIME WORKING ON A CEMETERY AND PROBABLY NEEDS ONE. AND WE, WE CAN SEE THAT I, I CAN SEE THAT THERE'LL BE A WAY THAT WE MAYBE COULD ALL WORK TOGETHER TO GET THAT HAPPEN, JUST NOT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS, IT IS ZONED, UH, FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD STAY. WE NEED IT TO STAY THAT WAY TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STRONG. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU LINDSEY. NEXT, JUDY YODER, WELCOME. IF YOU COULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. OKAY. UM, MY NAME IS JUDY YODER, AND I'M GONNA FALL APART BECAUSE I ALWAYS DO THAT, SORRY, . AND, UM, I LIVE AT 56 61 WILCOX ROAD, AND I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 50 YEARS WITH MY HUSBAND. AND HE, I THINK HE PRETTY MUCH COVERED WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT WE HAVE, JUST IN THE 50 YEARS WHEN WE MOVED THERE, WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST HOUSES TO BUY A LOT FROM THE PELTIER FARM. WELL, IT'S NOW CALLED, UH, THE MEYER FARM. AND THEY WERE SELLING OFF LARGE LOTS, AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S FIVE ACRES HERE AND FIVE ACRES THERE. AND THEN THEY PUT IN THE, UH, INTERSTATE AND IMMEDIATELY OUR LIFE CHANGED. WE KNEW THAT COLUMBUS WAS COMING. AND SO WE WENT AND, AND GATHERED NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR BECAUSE FOR AN ANNEXATION, YOU HAVE TO BE BORDER TO BORDER. [00:40:01] YOU CAN'T SAY LIKE, WELL, THIS LOT IS GONNA GO TO DUBLIN, BUT THESE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT, BUT WE CAN SKIP OVER AND THEN GET THESE, AND IT HAS TO BE. SO WE, UH, GOT 500 AND I BELIEVE IT'S 542 ACRES, AND, AND US RESIDENTS CAME TO DUBLIN AND SAID, LISTEN, HERE COMES COLUMBUS, AND WE DON'T WANNA LIVE IN COLUMBUS. WE WANNA LIVE IN DUBLIN. NOW, NORMALLY CITIES GO OUT AND ACQUIRE PROPERTY, BUT IN THIS CASE, AND IT'S WRITTEN IN OUR INFORMATION, IN THIS CASE, THE RESIDENTS CAME TOGETHER AND WENT TO THE CITY AND SAID, LISTEN, IN OUR PROPERTY, WE BRING YOU THE WEST PROPERTY THAT RUNS ON TWO 70, WHICH IS GONNA BE AN AMAZING, UH, TAX, UM, BENEFIT FOR THE CITY. AND IN RE RETURN, THE CITY SAID, GREAT, WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE'LL PROTECT YOU AS A, AS A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND THEY SAID, IT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BE A VIABLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE FOUR QUADRANTS STAY, STAY UNIN INVADED, I SHOULD SAY. AND, UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE FIGHTING SO HARD BECAUSE WE HAVE A CIRCLE. IF YOU COME IN FROM, IF YOU'RE GOING WEST ON RINGS ROAD, THERE'S A CIRCLE AND AN ENTRANCE AND IT SAYS YOU'RE ENTERING A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU'RE ON NOR STREET, THERE'S A CIRCLE. IF YOU COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST, THERE ARE, THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL ENTRIES THAT SAY YOU ARE ENTERING A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE HAVE CUL-DE-SAC. THEY CUL-DE-SAC. LIKE I SAID, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY AND THEY, WE HAD A TERRIBLE TRAFFIC PROBLEM WHEN THEY OPENED TWO 70. AND THEY, THEY WORKED WITH US AND THEY CALLED US ACT OUR, OUR WILCOX. SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THAT CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC. AND, UM, AND IT'S WONDERFUL AND EVERYONE THAT LIVES THERE, I, I HONESTLY, THAT'S ONE PART OF THIS I'VE REALLY ENJOYED IS I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW SO MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS AND EVERY ONE OF THEM SAYS, I LOVE IT HERE BECAUSE OF THE, THE ORIGINAL FIVE ACRE LOTS. IT FEELS A LOT MORE LIKE COUNTRY. BUT, BUT YET YOU'RE CLOSE TO THE INTERSTATE, YOU'RE CLOSE TO THE CITY, AND IT'S JUST, PLEASE DO NOT, I UNDERSTAND THEY WENT A CEMETERY, BUT PLEASE DON'T LET THEM BLOW UP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT WOULD DESTROY IT. BECAUSE ONCE THAT QUADRANT IS BROKEN UP AND THAT NEW TRAFFIC COMES IN, IT WILL BE LOST FOREVER BECAUSE THANK YOU CEMETERIES ARE FOREVER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MM-HMM . LINDSAY NEXT. SUSAN JACOBY, WELCOME. IF YOU COULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SUSAN JACOBY. I LIVE AT 87 38 SHILLINGTON DRIVE IN PAOLO, OHIO. THIS IS MY HUSBAND TOM. UM, I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER AT ST. JOHN LUTHERAN CHURCH FOR 42 YEARS. YOU JUST A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT. I SPOKE AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND SINCE THEN HAVE HAD MUCH TIME TO REFLECT ON THAT MEETING, THOSE WHO SPOKE, AND SOME NEW INSIGHT IN A MEMORIAL GARDEN PROPOSAL. IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS, MY HUSBAND AND I HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO WORK ON CLEANUP OF OUR OLD CEMETERY THAT'S LOCATED ON AVERY ROAD. AT THAT TIME, WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME READING THE GRAVESTONES OF OUR OLDEST MEMBERS, SOME WHO FOUNDED ST. JOHN, WHAT RICH HISTORY. WE WERE ABLE TO GATHER FAMILIAR NAMES OF MANY OF THE ROADS IN THE DUBLIN AREA, THE SHIRES, THE RINGS, ET CETERA. AFTER WE FINISHED, I SAID TO ERNIE, ONE OF OUR, UH, PEOPLE WORKING ON THE PROPOSAL. I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE A TOUR OF, UH, TO OUR CURRENT MEMBERS OF THAT CEMETERY BY THE DESCENDANTS OF THOSE BURIED THERE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR RICH HISTORY OF ST. JOHN. NOW SINCE THAT CEMETERY IS CLOSED, OUR ST. JOHN HISTORY IS SPREAD ACROSS CITIES AND STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. NO LONGER DO WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF WALKING ACROSS THE WAY TO SEE THE RICH HISTORY OF OUR CONGREGATION. I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE URNS IN THEIR CLOSETS. UM, OUR, UH, ONE OF OUR MEMBERS SPOKE LAST, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING. OUR PASTOR IS SITTING IN A CLOSET WAITING FOR A BURIAL PLACE, UM, IN HIS DAUGHTER'S HOUSE. I KNOW I WANT MY BODY, I KNOW YOU WANT OUR BODY TO REST IN THE NEW MEMORIAL GARDEN AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING PUBLIC MEETING, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE NEARBY COMMUNITY STATED THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THE PLANS FOR THE MEMORIAL GARDEN AND WE'RE ANGERED BY THIS. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ADVICE WAS GIVEN TO OUR COMMITTEE WORKING ON THE PLANS FOR THE MEMORIAL GARDEN TO NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS. THAT IS INDEED WHAT HAPPENED, NOTIFYING THOSE WHO BOARDED THE PROPERTY OR COULD SEE IT FROM THEIR RESIDENCE. WE ARE TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. WE LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS AND AS YOU CAN SEE, HAVE MADE MANY CHANGES TO THE PLANS BASED ON THEIR FEARS AND THEIR NEEDS. UM, I KNOW WE'VE TAKEN THEIR THOUGHTS INTO CONSIDERATION, NOT IGNORING THEM. FINALLY, DUBLIN IS RICH IN HISTORY. THIS MAY NOT SEEM, YOU KNOW, LIKE MUCH, BUT [00:45:01] I TAUGHT AT DAVIS MIDDLE SCHOOL IN DUBLIN, OHIO FOR 33 YEARS. IT IS NAMED AFTER, UM, A COURIER, A 15-YEAR-OLD WOMAN IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR WHO WAS BURIED IN THE DAVIS CEMETERY ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE. THAT'S PRETTY COOL. AND WE MAY, WE WERE FOUNDED IN 1855 ST. JOHN LUTHERAN CHURCH, AND WE ARE RICH IN HISTORY. WE MAY NOT HAVE A REVOLUTIONARY WAR HERO IN OUR CONGREGATION, BUT WE HAVE LONGSTANDING MEMBERS AND NEW MEMBERS WHO DESERVE A MEMORIAL GARDEN FOR BURIAL. I PRAY THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SHARE OUR ST. JOHN HISTORY WITH THE PROPOSED MEMORIAL GARDEN FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO COME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, LINDSAY. NEXT, DARLENE BECKER, WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. DO I PUSH A BUTTON? JENNY? WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT FOR YOU. JUST SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. MY NAME IS DARLENE BECKER. ADDRESS IS 65 50 ROSEDALE MILFORD CENTER ROAD, LONDON, OHIO. DO NOT LET THAT ADDRESS FOOL YOU. UH, I WAS BORN, BAPTIZED, CONFIRMED, AND MARRIED AT ST. JOHN LUTHERAN CHURCH. AS WERE BOTH OF OUR CHILDREN, I TELL YOU THAT SO THAT YOU KNOW HOW DEVOTED I AM TO THE CHURCH AND TO THIS PROJECT. ALSO, PUBLIC SPEAKING IS NOT MY, IN MY SKILLSET, SO I WILL READ A PRE-WRITTEN MESSAGE. ST. JOHN OWNS THE TWO PROPERTIES MENTIONED EARLIER. IN RECENT YEARS, IT HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY CHALLENGING TO FIND SUITABLE LOCATIONS FOR OUR FAMILY BURIALS. THEREFORE, WE BELIEVE IT IS TIME TO REPURPOSE THOSE PROPERTIES WHILE SELLING THEM AND POTENTIALLY MAKING A SUBSTANTIAL PROFIT IS AN OPTION, BUT IT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH OUR ST. JOHN'S PRIMARY OBJECTIVE. OUR MISSION IS TO SERVE OUR CONGREGATION BY PROVIDING A PEACEFUL, RESTING PLACE AND WHAT BETTER LOCATION THAN BESIDE THEIR CHERISHED CHURCH HOME. THIS MEMORIAL GARDEN WOULD NOT ONLY OFFER COMFORT TO OUR MEMBERS, BUT ALSO ADDRESS A PRESSING NEED FOR DUBLIN CEMETERIES CONSIDERING THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CONGREGATION OF OUR CONGREGATION THAT ARE DUBLIN RESIDENTS. SO IN LIGHT OF THESE CONSIDERATIONS, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE COUNSEL TO REZONE THE TWO PROPERTIES FOR THE PURPOSE OF A MEMORIAL GARDEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LINDSAY. NEXT, ROBERT SHIRK. WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. THANK YOU. I GO BY BOB. I'M SORRY. I CONFUSED YOU. PROBABLY, UM, SHIRK IS MY LAST NAME. I LIVE AT 57 99 KINNY LANE. PROUD TO SAY WE'VE BEEN THERE 28 YEARS IN TRINITY PARK, FIRST TIME HERE, SO IT'S KIND OF COOL. I NO GOOD REASON OTHER THAN I DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE. UM, VERY BRIEFLY, UM, I'M SORT OF HERE TO ASK TO KIND OF REPRESENT ALL THE FOLKS WHO RIGHT NOW HAVE AN OBJECTION, WHICH IS AROUND, UM, 275 RESIDENTS, UM, WHICH IS QUITE A FEW. I DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS AND MAYBE I'M HAD MY HEAD IN THE SAND, BUT I HAD NO IDEA UNTIL I WENT TO THE CHURCH MEETING. AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT THAT THIS WAS EVEN GONNA HAPPEN. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION, BUT NEVERTHELESS, I THINK ALL WE WANT TONIGHT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE VOLUMINOUS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT MR. AND MRS. YODER HAVE PRESENTED WITH REGARD TO SOME SUBSTANTIAL LAW ISSUES THAT THE ATTORNEY BROUGHT UP. AND I'M SORRY I DON'T REMEMBER HIS NAME. UM, THERE ARE SOME REAL ISSUES WITH REGARD TO ZONING ISSUES, NOT ZONING, BUT COVERAGE, SETBACKS AND ISSUES THAT NORMALLY OCCUR WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A CEMETERY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND, MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING, BUT WHY WOULD THE CITY TAKE AWAY TWO BEAUTIFUL PROPERTIES THAT WERE DEVELOPED FROM NOTHING WHEN THIS COMMUNITY FIRST STARTED AND USED THEM FOR BASICALLY A PRIVATE CEMETERY? THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A PUBLIC CEMETERY. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REASON WHY DUBLIN WOULD EVEN DO THIS. I WOULD BE WILLING TO TELL YOU THAT THERE IS NO OTHER PLACE IN DUBLIN THAT WOULD ALLOW A CEMETERY TO BE BUILT ON PROPERTY AND THE WHOLE REST OF DUBLIN. NOW, I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT. MAYBE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE HASTE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC CEMETERY. I HAVEN'T HEARD A NEED FOR A PUBLIC CEMETERY. I UNDERSTAND THEY WANT IT. THEY'RE GREAT PEOPLE. THE WONDERFUL [00:50:01] CHURCH. I WALK MY DOG AND I THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME. I PROBABLY HAVE MET ALMOST EVERYBODY HERE INDIRECTLY. AND I'M LUTHERAN TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE INTERESTING. BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. I THINK IT'S, THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE WHOLE DUBLIN COMMUNITY, NOT JUST A PARTICULAR CHURCH. IT WOULD BE LIKE EVERYBODY WHO WANTED TO DO A CERTAIN THING. ALL THEY GOTTA DO IS PETITION AND WE'LL ALLOW IT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE THINKING OF THE WHOLE DUBLIN COMMUNITY, AND I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE TWO PROPERTIES AND THEN YOU HAVE A RESIDENT WILL BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A CEMETERY. AND I KNOW SHE HAS A LOT OF ISSUES ABOUT THAT. BUT WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES. IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL, THERE ARE, UH, ISSUES WITH REGARD TO KRAMER CREEK AND HOW IT DRAINS AND THE POTENTIAL ISSUES THERE. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT. SO I HOPE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, WILL DO THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . AND JEAN NEXT CHRISTINE BELL. WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. HELLO, I'M CHRISTINE BELL AND I LIVE AT 5 5 8 5 WILCOX ROAD IN DUBLIN, OHIO, 4 3 0 1 6. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CONSENT, CONSENT PROBLEM CONCRETE WITH ONE EXAMPLE, THE CEMETERIES OWN PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE. THAT DRIVE RUNS LESS THAN 10 FEET OF A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY LINE AND ROUGHLY 110 FEET OF THE DWELLING ITSELF. STATE LAW PROHIBITS A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION FROM ESTABLISHING A CEMETERY CLOSER THAN 300 FEET FROM A DWELLING WITHOUT THE OWNER'S WRITTEN PERMISSION. THAT HOMEOWNER IS NOT A HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE. 11 HOMEOWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET HAVE SIGNED A PETITION IN OPPOSITION TO THE CEMETERY. THIS ISN'T A TECHNICALLY BURIED IN AN APPENDIX. IT IS THE MAIN WAY IN AND OUT OF THE CEMETERY PLAN TO RUN CLOSER TO A FAMILY'S HOME THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD IS LONG TWICE OVER SHORT OF WHAT THE LAW DEMANDS. AND IT ISN'T THE ONLY EXAMPLE. THE SAME PROTECTED ZONE CONTAINS PRO PROPOSED INTERMENT AREAS IN COLUM AREA ALONG THE NORTH AND EAST PORTIONS OF THE SITE. THIS IS A SITE-WIDE PROBLEM, NOT AN ISOLATED CORNER THAT COULD BE DESIGNED AROUND WHEN A SITE IS SMALL AND THE PROTECTED ZONE FROM THE NEIGHBORING HOMES COVERS THIS MUCH OF IT THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING. THIS PARTIAL WAS NEVER SUITED TO THIS USE IN THE FIRST PLACE. NO AMOUNT OF BUFFER PLANTING OR SETBACK TWEAKING CHANGES THE FACT THAT THE REQUIRED SEPARATION, THE, THE REQUIRED CONSENTS SIMPLY ARE NOT THERE. SO WE ASK THE COUNCIL TO WEIGH THAT HEAVILY TONIGHT AND TO DECLINE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD UNTIL IT IS RESOLVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, LINDSAY. NEXT, ADAM SKOW, WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IT INTO THE RECORD. EXCUSE ME, GETTING OVER A COLD. HELLO. UH, MY NAME IS ADAMOVICH. UH, I LIVE AT 5 9 8 2 RINGS ROAD. UM, AND, UH, I AM, UH, AGAINST THE REZONING. UH, I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS, ACROSS FROM THE LOT AT, UH, 6,001, UH, RINGS ROAD. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A NICE BIG WINDOW. UH, EVERY MORNING I, UH, GET UP AND DRINK MY COFFEE THERE. AND, UH, I GUESS IF THIS GOES THROUGH, I WILL, UH, START TO HAVE MY LEARNING COFFEE WITH, UH, SOME, UH, OTHER GUESTS WHO, UH, WHO I WILL NOW SEE. UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, YOU KNOW, UH, CLEARLY WE LIVE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, YOU KNOW, UM, PUTTING IN A NEW CEMETERY WITH LIKE ALMOST 3000 GRAVE SITES ABOVE GROUND COLUMN VARIS, EARN PLOTS, AND THEN EVEN SCATTER GARDENS, WHICH IS LIKE 200 FEET AWAY FROM MY HOUSE, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE, UH, NOT GREAT. I MEAN, EVEN ANTS TAKE THEIR, UH, DECEASED BODIES AND, UH, MOVE 'EM FAR AWAY FROM WHERE THEY LIVE. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? UM, SO, UH, THE CHURCH PEOPLE ARE GREAT. UH, VERY NICE PEOPLE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THEM ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE TO LIVE AROUND THIS PROJECT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, BUT UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF 'EM LIVE PRETTY FAR AWAY FROM IT. SO, UM, YEAH. UM, I AM JUST, UH, AGAINST THIS, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LINDSAY. NEXT, ERIC BURKEL, WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND [00:55:01] STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. UH, YES, UH, MY NAME IS ERIC BURKO. I LIVE AT 5 7 8 9 CLEARFIELD LANE. SO I LIVE ABOUT A STREET OVER, UH, FROM THE YODERS AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THE, UM, JUST FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS A FEW DAYS AGO. SO WHEN THE CHURCH REACHED OUT TO NEIGHBORS, I THINK THEY TOOK THAT LITERALLY AND WENT TO THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS AND DID NOT GET COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THIS PROPOSAL. UM, SO THAT KIND OF SHOCKED ME A LITTLE BIT. UM, I, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF, UM, HOW THEY'RE DOING THEIR BEST TO APPEASE THE NEIGHBORS, BUT THEY HAVEN'T REALLY ADDRESSED THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. UM, MY WIFE AND I MOVED TO DUBLIN TO, TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OVER 20 YEARS AGO. WE STARTED OUR FAMILY, UM, BECAUSE WE LOVE THE COMMUNITY, THE GREEN SPACES, THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE HOUSES, THE PEOPLE. UM, THIS PLANNED REZONING WILL COMPLETELY CHANGE THAT. UM, I'VE ALSO SEEN A LOT OF TALK HERE FROM THE CHURCH ABOUT, UM, CHANGING THINGS SO THAT THE VIEW FROM RINGS ROAD WILL NOT BE SO BAD. HOWEVER, NOT ADDRESSING ANYTHING FROM TED COLTON BACK PARK. SO THAT IS A VERY VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, UM, THAT A LOT OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES GO FOR SPORTING EVENTS, ACTIVITIES. AND PRETTY SOON THEY'LL NOW SEE A CEMETERY GRAVESTONES A VERY, UH, FORCEFUL REMINDER OF OUR MORTALITY WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO ENJOY FAMILY TIME. I THINK, UM, THAT NEGLECT, UM, AND NOT CONSIDERING THAT IMPACT, UH, HAS, IS PROBABLY MY NUMBER ONE, UH, REASON FOR OPPOSING THIS. UM, IT WILL FOREVER CHANGE OUR COMMUNITY. UH, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, OUR NEIGHBOR, OUR BACKYARD, WHENEVER THERE'S A HEAVY RAIN, WE HAVE THE DITCH IN OUR BACKYARD. SO IT FLOODS SERIOUSLY, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF AN ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, STUDY HAS, HAS BEEN DONE TO SEE EXACTLY HOW MUCH FLOODING, UM, WILL BE DONE IN THE KRAMER'S DITCH AREA IN THE PROPOSED, UM, CEMETERY, UM, AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT INTERNMENTS. UM, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. UM, BUT I SUGGEST THAT THEY DO THAT IF THEY DO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. UM, BUT AGAIN, UM, I HOPE THE COUNCIL WILL SERIOUSLY CONSIDER OUR OUR CONCERNS. AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, THEY MENTIONED A FEW PEOPLE. I THINK YOU MENTIONED A FEW PEOPLE, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORS ARE OPPOSED TO THIS. I THINK IT'S MORE WIDESPREAD THAN THAT. AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE OPPOSED TO THIS. UM, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT ABOUT IT. THIS IS A FIRST READING AT COUNCIL AND THE CHURCH HAS NOT HAD MUCH COMMUNICATION TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU LINDSEY. NEXT, WILBERT, MARTIN BELL. WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. MY NAME IS MARTY BELL. I LIVE AT 5 5 8 5 WILCOX ROAD. WE'VE LIVED THERE AND RAISED A FAMILY THERE. WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR 48 YEARS, SO WE'VE BEEN PRETTY PERMANENT RESIDENT OF THIS AREA AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES, A LOT OF THEM. THE GOOD, I AM OPPOSED TO THIS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYONE ON THIS COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE A CEMETERY BEING BUILT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. OKAY? EACH ONE OF YOU ARE, ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS, OKAY? AND YOU ARE TO REPRESENT THE CONSTITUENCY OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN. I CHALLENGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT YOUR OWN PERSONAL SITUATION. WOULD YOU REALLY APPROVE A CEMETERY BEING BUILT WITHIN A HUNDRED YARDS OF YOUR PROPERTIES? OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE ARE. ALRIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THE SOCIAL AND POLITICAL AND ALL THAT OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH, BUT AS RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY, I CHALLENGE YOU TO TO CONSIDER THAT, OKAY? VERY STRONGLY. AND I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO BE HERE [01:00:01] AND, AND, UH, TO SPEAK WITH YOU. APPARENTLY, UH, I THINK AT THE JUNE 11TH, THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A P AND Z, UH, HEARING THE, UH, IN THE, UH, THE, THE, THE FUTURE, UM, PLAN, THE REASONING FOR THEIR APPROVAL WAS THAT, WAS THAT, AND I'M, AND I'M STATING IN NATURAL SETTINGS, USE IS SET BACK FROM THE ROAD, PASSIVE OPEN SPACE AND A CEMETERY. CEMETERY, OKAY? NOT, NOT A, NOT A MEMORIAL OR ALL THAT, THEIR OWN WORDS, CEMETERY. OKAY? AND A CEMETERY IS A TRADITIONALLY IS A TRADITIONAL USE ASSOCIATED WITH A CHURCH. THEREFORE, STAFF FINDS THAT THE INTENT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE IS MET. THAT WAS THE ENTIRE EXPLANATION WHY THEY GAVE THAT THEY APPROVED. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THIS, THIS, UM, THIS CHANGE IN ZONING AND AS GONE TO COUNCIL, OKAY, THERE, AS WE'VE SEEN, THERE ARE MANY MORE OTHER ISSUES OTHER THAN THAT. AND I, I IMPLORE YOU TO, UH, CONSIDER THOSE AND CONSIDER THE RESIDENTS VERY HIGHLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. YES, THANK YOU LINDSEY. NEXT, LINDA GARRIDO, WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. HELLO. UM, MY NAME IS LINDA GARRIDO, G-A-R-R-I-D-O 59 65 RINGS ROAD. AND I AM THE 59 65 RINGS ROAD PROPERTY THAT WE KEEP REFERRING TO. AND I THINK I SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY NEEDS A VOTE, BUT MY PROPERTY IS TAKING THE HIT MY ENTIRE, I'M RIGHT NEXT TO THE EMPTY PROPERTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS AND YOU HAVE MET THREE FAMILIES THAT WE ALL KNEW THE FARMER. AND WE MOVED OUT HERE WHEN NOBODY WANTED TO MOVE HERE. AND WE'RE STILL HERE AND WE HAVE THE FIVE ACRE LOTS. AND EVERYBODY NOW LOVES THE PASTORAL LOOK BECAUSE WE HAVE STRUGGLED AND TAKEN CARE OF THEM FOR 50 YEARS. SO IF YOU'RE AT MY PROPERTY THAT I HAVE WORKED FOR AND I RAISED MY FAMILY, IT'S NOT DRIVING BY IT AND SEEING THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND THINK, OH, ISN'T THAT LOVELY? WHICH IT IS. MY WHOLE ENTIRE PROPERTY, THE WHOLE SIX, ALMOST SIX ACRES HAS THE CEMETERY NOW TO THAT SIDE. SO THERE IS NO PLACE, IT'S NOT A CONCEPT FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. IT'S MY BACKYARD. I CAN'T GO OUT WITHOUT IT, WITHOUT SEEING IT, NO MATTER HOW SLOW IT'S BUILT OR HOW FAST IT'S BUILT. AND TO ME, I WOULD'VE NEVER PURCHASED LAND NEXT TO A CEMETERY. I WOULD NEVER HAVE BUILT A HOME NEXT TO A CEMETERY. I WOULD'VE NEVER LIVED THERE FOR 50 YEARS. I DO NOT WANT THAT. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. THE CHURCH BOUGHT IT WHEN THERE WAS A HOUSE AND A BARN ON IT. THEY KNEW IT WAS RESIDENTIAL. THEIR MINISTER LIVED IN IT FOR YEARS AS RESIDENTIAL. AND NOW BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THROW ALL TO THE WIND THAT THE, THAT THE ZONING SHOULD BE WHATEVER PEOPLE WANT IT TO BE. I LOOK ON IT AS A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY THAT YOU ZONED IT A CERTAIN WAY AND THAT IT'S A SINGLE RESIDENT LOCATION. AND AS FAR AS EVEN THAT BEING A PARK, YOU KNOW, MY, UH, THE SECURITY IS AN ISSUE. THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THAT PARK ALL NIGHT, SOMETIMES CRAZY CASES THAT ARE OUT THERE, WHICH WHEN IT, WE WERE ALL COMMUNITY, NONE OF US HAD THAT ISSUE. UM, MY PROPERTY VALUE WILL DROP INSTANTLY. I MEAN, WE'RE ALL GONNA TAKE THE HIT, BUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT THINK IT'S LOVELY TO LOOK AT WHEN THEY DRIVE BY IT, IT IS. I HAD A NEIGHBOR THAT SHOT GOLF BALLS FROM ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT LOOKED SO LOVELY. I MEAN, IT IS LOVELY. IT'S OPEN SPACES, WHICH IN DUBLIN WE DON'T HAVE ANYMORE. BUT I KNOW [01:05:01] THAT PEOPLE THINK WE'RE THE CRAZY OLDER PEOPLE THAT CAME TO ZONING AND COMMITTEE. AND IF WE'VE ALL LIVED THERE FOR 50 YEARS, WE ARE ALL OLDER, BUT WE STILL HAVE OUR DESIRES AND OUR WANTS AND WHAT WE THINK IS FAIR. AND I DON'T THINK A CONCEPT, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT EVEN A PLAN. IT'S CONCEPTS TO DO AS THEY NEED IT. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU BUILD A HOUSE AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE EVERYTHING'S GOING. I'M AGAINST IT. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST IT. I'M SO SORRY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LINDSAY. NEXT, JVE IQBAL. WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JVE IQBAL AND I LIVE AT 5 7 9 7 CLEARFIELD INN. AND I'M DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. THEY ALWAYS WONDER IS, AND WHEN WE DECIDE TO TURN NEIGHBORHOODS INTO CEMETERIES. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL CITY I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR WITH MY FAMILY FOR 10 YEARS, AND I RESPECT THE LEADERSHIP AND WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE. BUT THIS IS OUT OF A LEFT SIDE. THE CHURCH AND THE PEOPLE FROM THE CHURCH ARE GREAT PEOPLE, GOOD SERVICES. NEVER HAD AN ISSUE UNTIL WE SEE THIS PROPOSAL COMING IN. AND THEN THE WHOLE PROPOSAL IS BASED ON A FALSE NARRATIVE THAT WE HAVE AN EXISTING CEMETERY AND THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. SO WE NEED TO GO AND BUILD SOME MORE. THAT CEMETERY THAT THEY HAVE TODAY, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A BURIAL FOR LAST 30 YEARS OR MORE. AND THIS NEW ONE THAT YOU'RE BUILDING IS A BRAND NEW CEMETERY. AND YOU ARE TRYING TO GO AROUND A LOT OF STATUES TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 40 ACRES OF LAND THAT'S REQUIRED, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE 10, THEY HAVE TWO FIVE ACRES PLOT, AND THEY'RE PUTTING IT TOGETHER. THEY'RE ENACTING PIECES FROM SOMEBODY ELSE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE A HUNDRED FEET SETBACKS? WHAT HAPPENS TO ASKING 500 PLUS NEIGHBORS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS, INCLUDING MYSELF? WHAT ABOUT THE PARK THAT ON THE BACKSIDE OF IT, IT SHOWS YOU ON THE MAP, BUT NOBODY'S SHOWING YOU. THERE IS A TED PARK BEHIND IT. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. PEOPLE TAKE A WALK AROUND THIS. THERE WILL BE AT LEAST A HUNDRED PLUS PEOPLE A DAY. AT LEAST I'VE SEEN THEM KIDS PLAYING OUT THERE AND NOW THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT THE CEMETERY ITSELF. SO, AND THEN ALSO FROM THE POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE, MS. JOHNSON IS HERE. SHE'S REPRESENTING THIS WARD. THERE'LL BE A POLITICAL IMPACT OF THIS AS WELL. SO PLEASE, I REQUEST YOU TO TAKE THIS MATTER SERIOUSLY, IT IS IMPACTING OUR LIVES. A LOT OF US. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU, LINDSAY. NEXT, MIKE DEANGELOS. WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. MIKE DEIS. I LIVE AT 59 63 BLUNDEN ROAD, IN THE BALL GRIFFIN NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM WHERE THE CEMETERY WILL BE BUILT. I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING, UH, THE APPLICANT MAY RAISE TONIGHT. UH, THE IDEA THAT THIS COULD COUNT AS EXPANDING AN EXISTING CEMETERY, WHICH IS ONE NARROW EXCEPTION TO THE CONSENT LAW THAT I JUST DESCRIBED. THERE IS A CEMETERY NEAR THE SITE, SANDY CORNER CEMETERY. BUT SANDY CORNER STOPPED ACCEPTING BARRELS IN 1879. THAT'S NOT A TYPO. THE CEMETERY HAS NOT RECEIVED A NEW BURIAL IN NEARLY 150 YEARS. ST. JOHN LUTHERAN CHURCH DOES NOT OWN SANDY CORNER CEMETERY. THE PARCELS PROPOSED FOR THIS NEW CEMETERY ARE NOT EVEN CONTIGUOUS TO IT. THEY DON'T TOUCH A CEMETERY THAT HAS BEEN DORMANT FOR A CENTURY AND A HALF, CANNOT REASONABLY BE CALLED A CEMETERY ALREADY IN USE. AND OHIO'S SEPARATE EXCEPTION FOR MUNICIPALITY CONNECTED CEMETERIES DOES NOT APPLY HERE EITHER FOR THE SAME BASIC REASONS, NO OWNERSHIP CONNECTION, NO SHARED BOUNDARY, AND NO ONGOING USE. THAT MEANS THE GENERAL RULE APPLIES IN FULL NO CEMETERY WITHIN 300 FEET OF A HOME WITHOUT THAT HOMEOWNER'S WRITTEN CONSENT. THERE IS NO BACK DOOR AROUND THAT REQUIREMENT AVAILABLE HERE. WE ASK CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THIS POINT IS NAILED DOWN BY YOUR LAW DIRECTOR BEFORE ANY VOTE. SO THIS DOESN'T BECOME AN ARGUMENT RAISED [01:10:01] FOR THE FIRST TIME AFTER APPROVAL WHEN IT'S MUCH HARDER TO UNDO. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, LINDSAY. NEXT, TOM CARTWRIGHT, WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S TOM CARTWRIGHT. I AM A TRUSTEE OF THE BALL GRIFFIN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH, UH, BORDERS, UH, THIS, UH, PRO PROPOSED SITE IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF ABOUT 63 HOMES. UH, WE LOVE ST. JOHN AS A NEIGHBOR. THEY'VE BEEN GREAT OVER THE YEARS. I'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD 25 YEARS. I SENT MY DAUGHTER THERE, UH, TO PRESCHOOL. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT ONE, UM, ONE SMALL COMPONENT HERE. UM, USING THE, USING PUD TO TRY TO BYPASS THE PROHIBITED USE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS THE WRONG TOOL FOR WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF YOU TONIGHT. THE PURPOSE OF A P UNDER DUBLIN CODE SECTIONS 1 53 0.050 AND 1 53 0.052 IS TO ALLOW A COMPATIBLE MIX OF LAND USES THAT COULD COULDN'T BE ACHIEVED UNDER STANDARD ZONING. THINK OF A WALK OF OLD DEVELOPMENT THAT BLENDS RETAIL OFFICE AND HOUSING IN A WAY THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE INVOLVED. THIS PROPOSAL DOESN'T DO THAT. THERE'S NO MIXED USES HERE. THIS IS A SINGLE USE OF CEMETERY, UH, AND IT'S BEING PLANNED ON. IT'S PLACED ON LAND THAT IS OWNED AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. A PUD ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THE BACK DOOR AROUND A USE THAT'S OTHERWISE PROHIBITED OUTRIGHT ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT'S SUPPOSED TO UNLOCK GENUINE FLEXIBILITY THAT BENEFITS A BROADER AREA, NOT OVERRIDE A STRAIGHTFORWARD PROHIBITION FOR ONE APPLICANT ON ONE PARCEL. WHEN YOU STRIP AWAY THE PUD LABEL, WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING ASKED IS THIS, PLEASE LET US DO SOMETHING WITH THIS LAND THAT OUR OWNED ZONING DOES NOT ALLOW. THAT STATE LAW'S CONSENT REQUIREMENT DOES NOT ALLOW. AND THAT DUBLIN'S OWN CEMETERY CODES, ACREAGE AND SETBACK STANDARDS DO NOT ALLOW UPON APPROVAL, DOESN'T ERASE THESE THREE SEPARATE PROBLEMS, IT ADDS A FOURTH QUESTION. WAS THIS TOOL USED THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE USED? WE DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS. AND WE DON'T THINK COUNCIL SHOULD LET A DISCRETIONARY PLANNING TOOL BE USED TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT THE UNDERLYING ZONING AND CEMETERY CODE CLEARLY PROHIBIT. WE ASK YOU TO DECLINE THIS ORDINANCE ON THAT BASIS ALONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU LINDSEY. NEXT, JILLIAN WHITESIDE, WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. HELLO, I'M JILLIAN WHITESIDE. I LIVE 56 42 WILCOX ROAD, DUBLIN, OHIO. UM, SO I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENTS FROM THE CONGREGATION, UH, REGARDING, UH, THAT THEY ATTEND CHURCH IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY'RE NOT FACING ANY DETRIMENTAL CONSEQUENCES FROM THE CHANGE THEY WANNA MAKE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, SEVERAL OF THEM DON'T EVEN LIVE, UH, IN THESE STREETS. UM, I WOULD SAY THE COMMUNICATION WAS LACKLUSTER AT BEST. UH, THANKFULLY FOR, UH, JUDY, YOU KNOW, I WAS ABLE TO FIND OUT THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING. UM, I'M LESS THAN HALF A MILE UP THE ROAD AND HAD NO IDEA. UH, I WANNA ADDRESS DUBLIN'S 40 ACRE MINIMUM. DUBLIN CODE SECTION 1 53 0.09 B THREE SETS THE STANDARDS FOR CEMETERIES IN THE CITY. IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR 56 YEARS. THE FIRST REQUIREMENT IS THAT A NEW CEMETERY MUST OCCUPY A MINIMUM OF 40 ACRES. THE PROPOSED CEMETERY IS 10.85 ACRES, BARELY ONE QUARTER OF THE REQUIRED MINIMUM. A SHORT POLL OF NEARLY 75% DUBLIN'S OWN PLANNING STAFF ACKNOWLEDGED THE PROPOSAL COULD NOT BE ALLOWED UNDER THE STANDARD ZONING, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE SITE'S SIZE. IT'S PRECISELY WHY THIS APPLICANT IS ASKING YOU TO APPROVE A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD, BECAUSE THE ORDINARY LAWFUL PATH IS NOT AVAILABLE TO THEM ON THIS PARCEL. A 40 AC ACRE MINIMUM EXISTS FOR A REASON. WE'RE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO HOLD THE APPLICANT TO THE SAME ACREAGE STANDARD. EVERY OTHER CEMETERY IN DUBLIN HAS HAD TO MEET THE PAST 56 YEARS RATHER THAN WAIVING IT THROUGH A PUD APPLIED TO A SINGLE UNDERSIZED PARCEL. UH, I ALSO JUST WANNA SAY THE MOST DISAPPOINTING THING IS THE STARK JUXTAPOSITION BETWEEN THE CEMETERY AND THE PARK. IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE INVESTED IN THE PROPERTY THAT WE DID. UH, WE WALKED THERE, JOG THERE. WE WATCH KIDS PLAY CRICKET. WE USE THEIR JUNGLE GYM. AND JUST THINKING ABOUT THEM NOW, HAVING TO WATCH A PLACE OF GRIEVING ON WHATEVER FREQUENCY, UM, IT'S JUST RATHER DISAPPOINTING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND Z NEXT DANE WALTER, WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE RECORD. HEY GUYS, MY NAME'S DANE WALTER. I LIVE ON 5 6 1 1 WILCOX. MY HOUSE WAS, UH, IN THE PICTURE EARLIER. I'M NOT WITHIN THE A HUNDRED YARD RADIUS. I'M 200 YARDS AWAY. UM, SO RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE BELLS AND THE YODERS AND COMPANY. UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE. THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTION THAT WE CAN HEAR TONIGHT. UM, AND, UH, I GET BOTH SIDES. I MEAN, IF I WENT TO THAT CHURCH, I ACTUALLY WALKED TO CHURCH JUST ACROSS COLTON BACK PARK. [01:15:01] SO I GO TO A NEIGHBORING CHURCH, BUT, UH, I'M PROUD TO BE, UH, LIKE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD OF ST. JOHN'S. I DIDN'T GO TO CHURCH THERE, BUT I DID VOTE THERE AND THAT WAS PRETTY COOL. AND, UM, UH, I AM MOIST PRO ST. JOHN'S. AND, UH, OF COURSE I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD WANT, UM, IT'S THEIR MEMORIAL THERE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF LAND. UH, I RECENTLY, MY GRANDMA PASSED AND, UH, SOUTH CAROLINA AND UH, THEY HAD LIKE A, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I'D EVER SEEN A COLUMN BARIUM OR WHATEVER, AND IT WAS WONDERFUL. LIKE, I UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY WE WOULD WANT THAT. UM, BUT THE REALITY IS IT'S UNIVERSALLY, UH, UM, AN EMOTIONAL TOPIC FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORS. I LIVE RIDE ON THE BIKE TRAIL AND I TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND I'VE YET TO COME ACROSS ANYBODY WHO'S REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT. AND, YOU KNOW, UM, PEOPLE WALK BY WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR KIDS, WITH THEIR, UH, THEIR PETS AND, YOU KNOW, I SOCIAL AND I JUST TALK TO 'EM. AND, UH, UNFORTUNATELY OR FORTUNATELY, DEPENDING ON WHATEVER SIDE OF THE COIN YOU'RE ON, IT'S, UM, I IT'S UNIVERSALLY DISAPPROVED FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH. UM, AND, UH, I AM, I'VE ONLY BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS, SO I DON'T HAVE THE 50 MARK OR THE 25 MARK THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE. BUT I ONE DAY, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN IS THAT I WILL BE THERE. AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS CEMETERY FITS INTO THAT LONG TERM. UM, OBVIOUSLY IF IT DOES COME TO FRUITION, I HOPE IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND I'M SURE IT WILL BE. BUT THAT'S, UM, KIND OF REALLY BESIDES THE POINT. UM, I MEAN, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE LAW, IT'S COME UP A COUPLE TIMES. THE 1720 1.03 CODE WITH THE 300 FEET, UH, IT'S LIKE THERE TO PREVENT THIS FROM EVEN BEING A THING. LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE WRITTEN CONSENT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEN IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT BECOMES THIS SITUATION WHERE THE CHURCH IS AGAINST THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THAT SHOULD NEVER BE THE CASE. I MEAN, I THINK THE NEIGHBORS UNIVERSALLY LOVE THE CHURCH, UM, AND HAVE NOTHING NO ILL WILL TOWARDS THE CHURCH. UM, BUT THEY JUST DON'T WANT A CEMETERY IN THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S YARD. UM, AND I, THAT'S AT LEAST IN OHIO, THEIR RIGHT TO REFUSE. UM, SO THE BUCK STOPS THERE, IN MY OPINION. UM, AND THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH ON THE, ON THE TRAIL, THERE'S A TON OF OTHER, UM, REASONS, BUT AGAIN, THE REASONS DON'T REALLY MATTER. BUT, UH, THAT'S MY TIME. AND APPRECIATE YOU GUYS FROM HEARING FROM ME. THANK YOU, LINDSEY. NEXT, GENEVIEVE HAGGERTY, WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. HI, MY NAME'S GENEVIEVE HAGGERTY. I'M AT 56 87 WILCOX ROAD. I PREVIOUSLY WAS AT 5 6 6 1 WILCOX ROAD. I GREW UP THERE. SO I WAS, UM, ONE OF THE FAMILIES, UH, MOVED THERE WHEN I WAS FOUR, SO I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS. SO I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER THE CORN FIELDS AS FAR AS YOUR EYE COULD SEE. UM, THAT'S WHERE WE MOVED INTO WHEN, UH, MY DAD DUG THE HOLE TO START BUILDING HIS HOUSE, WHICH HE BUILT BY HAND. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE, UH, WANNA SAY MOST OF WHAT, UM, UH, PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT, UM, THIS IS JUST A, UH, I KNOW IT'S AN EMOTIONALLY CHARGED FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT I THINK, UH, UH, PICTURES ARE WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS. I WISH YOU COULD SEE THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, A TYPICAL COLUMN, BARIUM. I DON'T KNOW IF MANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE. UM, ON THIS 10 ACRE SITE, THEY WERE ASKING FOR 120 OF THESE, I BELIEVE. UM, IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE PUD. UM, SO THEY'RE, I DON'T, I KNOW YOU CAN'T SEE VERY WELL, BUT THIS IS A KIND OF LIKE TYPICAL COLUMN, BARIUM, YOU KNOW, EIGHT FOOT TALL, QUITE LONG, UM, CONCRETE STRUCTURES. UH, CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD FIT VERY WELL IN A, UM, IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND THEN, UH, 20 FOOT STATUES. I BELIEVE THE PLAN INCLUDES FIVE STATUES THAT ARE 20 FEET. UM, THAT IN THE WRITING I BELIEVE SAYS NO OVERSIGHT FROM DUBLIN THAT THE, UM, CHURCH CAN CHOOSE. UM, WHICH I'M SURE THEY WOULD LIKELY CHOOSE SOMETHING LOVELY. BUT IT'S, I THINK, SCOOP SPOOKS, UH, PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE 20 FEET LIKE AS TALL AS THAT, UM, WITHIN, YOU KNOW, WITHIN SIGHT FROM, UM, FROM THE, UH, ROAD AND HOUSES. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S AT THE CEMETERY IS CLOSE TO THE WATER SITE. SO WE'VE GOT, UM, KRAMER CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THAT RUNS, UH, THROUGH, UM, THE, UH, UH, TOWARDS THE EAST DOWN TO THE SCIO, UM, THROUGH [01:20:01] RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHERE KIDS ARE PLAYING IN THE WATER. UM, THERE'S QUITE A FEW WELLS. SO AS FAR AS, UH, UM, AQUIFER, UM, AND WELL WATER, UM, PROBLEMS, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT, LIKE SOMEONE ELSE HAD MENTIONED. I HADN'T HEARD THAT BEING ADDRESSED AT ALL EITHER, WHICH IS CONCERNING TO ME. I HAVE A WELL, UM, AND, UH, UM, CERTAINLY KRAMER CREEK IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT WILL FLOOD. I'VE GOT PICTURES HERE TOO. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, IT JUST DOESN'T SET, IT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE AQUIFER, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. AND, UM, I ALSO DO NOT THINK THIS IS THE PROPER PLACE FOR THIS, UH, CEMETERY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LINDSAY. NEXT, HEATHER DEWE, WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. HI, MY NAME IS HEATHER DEWE AND I'M AT 5 6 5 8 WILCOX ROAD. UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT HAVE ALREADY BEEN, UM, SPOKEN ABOUT, BUT I WANNA SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THE, UM, COLUMN BARRS THEMSELVES. UM, DEVIN CODE TREATS THESE DIFFERENTLY AND MORE STRICTLY THAN GROUND BURIALS. THE DEVIN CODE SECTION 1 5 3, UM, 0.019 REQUIRES THAT ANY MAUSOLEUM, CREMATORY, OR SIMILAR CEMETERY STRUCTURE STAY AT LEAST 300 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. NOT 100 FEET, BUT 300 FEET. THAT'S TRIPLE THE SETBACK REQUIRED FOR THE SIMPLE GROUND BURIAL. THE APPLICATION PROPOSES UP TO 120 UP TO EIGHT FEET TALL AND 20 FEET LONG, CAPABLE OF HOLDING THOUSANDS OF INTERMENTS. AND THERE IS NO LOCATION ANYWHERE ON THE 10.85 ACRE SITE THAT MEETS THE REQUIRED 300 FOOT SETBACK FOR EVEN ONE OF THEM. UM, THIS SITE IS SIMPLY TOO SMALL TO PLACE A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS ANYWHERE IN SATISFY DUBLIN'S OWN CODE. IT MATTERS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SMALL, QUIET GRAVE MARKERS. THEY'RE PERMANENT MONOLITHIC STRUCTURES, WALLS OF STONE AND CONCRETE HOLDING HUMAN REMAINS VISIBLE FROM SURROUNDING YARDS AND STREETS FOR AS LONG AS THEY STAND, WHICH IS MEANT TO BE FOREVER. SO WE ASK COUNSEL TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS ISN'T A SETBACK PROBLEM THAT YOU CAN SOLVE BY JUST NUDGING THE SITE PLAN AROUND, UM, ON A SITE THAT IS THIS SIZE DEVLIN'S OWN 300 FOOT STRUCTURE STANDARD CANNOT BE MET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND SEE NEXT HOW TIAN, HOW UNG AND I MAY BE PRONOUNCING IT WRONG. COULD YOU SPELL IT PLEASE? H-A-O-T-I-A-N? NO. OKAY. NEXT. I WASN'T SURE IF TOM JACOBY ALSO WANTED TO SPEAK. I KNOW YOU WENT UP TO THE PODIUM, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU ARE THE LAST WHO HAS REGISTERED. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS, UH, TOM JACOBY, 87 38 SHILLINGTON DRIVE. UM, I THANK EVERYBODY FOR TAKING THE CONSIDERATION TO LISTEN TO EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS. I KNOW THIS IS A, IT'S A VERY HOT TOPIC, , FRANKLY. UM, I DON'T LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I'M NOT AWARE OF ALL THE BUZZ THAT'S GOING ON BENEATH, UM, BENEATH THE TREES HERE. UM, SOUNDS LIKE THE NEIGHBORS ARE PRETTY MUCH AGAINST IT. OUR INTENT AS A MEMBER OF 40 YEARS AT THE CHURCH, I, I'VE BEEN A MEMBER THERE. OUR INTENT IS TO BE A GOOD CITIZEN TO COEXIST WELL WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. WE WANNA DO THE RIGHT THING. WE'RE NOT HERE TO BUILD 20 FOOT STATUES OR 80 FOOT TALL COLUMBARIUMS. I THINK THE MEASUREMENTS ARE OFF THERE. I'M GONNA RELY ON THE ZONING COMMITTEE AND THE CITY ATTORNEYS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS UP TO STANDARDS. I'M SURE YOU'RE DOING YOUR HOMEWORK. OUR GOAL IS TO, TO HAVE A NICE MEMORIAL, NOT A CEMETERY, NOT BIG TOMBSTONES, NOT ANYTHING LIKE ON THE END OF, UM, RINGS AND AVERY OR UP THE ROAD AT AVERY OR ACROSS, NOR AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, OR AT THE CEMETERY AT MEREFIELD BY THE CLUBHOUSE. OUR GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THOSE OLD CEMETERIES. THIS IS A, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE LOW TO THE GROUND AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME COLUMBARIUMS, BUT WE WANT THEM TO BE, UM, NOT VISIBLE FROM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS WITH PLANTINGS, ET CETERA. THE PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY WALK THROUGH [01:25:01] OUR CHURCH PROPERTY ARE WELCOME TO DO SO. ONCE A MEMORIAL IS BUILT, IT'S GONNA HAVE PLANTINGS AND TREES AND PATHWAYS AND YOU CAN TAKE YOUR DOG AND WALK THROUGH THERE. I HOPE IT'S NOT, UM, SOMETHING THAT SCARES PEOPLE AWAY. OUR, OUR GOAL IS IT TO, TO BE A PEACEFUL PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN REFLECT ON THEIR LOVED ONES THAT HAVE BEEN INTERNED THERE. AND IT'S, IT'S MY GOAL TO BE INTERNED THERE IF THIS IS APPROVED, BUT, UM, IT'S NOT IN MY HANDS. SO, UM, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WISH YOU CONSIDER THIS STRONGLY. UM, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAD SIGNED IN, CORRECT. LINDSAY, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PRESENT THAT DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN IN UPON ENTERING THE BUILDING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, UH, WE WILL CLOSE IT OFF FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION. UH, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO LEAD US OFF? I DON'T MIND STARTING MY, I DO HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS, SO BEAR WITH ME QUITE A FEW NOTES. I'M GONNA TRY TO KEEP 'EM ORGANIZED. UM, THE FIRST THING I'LL ADDRESS IS JUST THE GENERAL USE. AND I'LL THROW OUT THERE WE ARE. THIS IS A ZONING USE AND DEVELOPMENT TEXT. UH, OUR JOB IS NOT TO KNOW, KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THIS COMPLIES WITH OHIO REVISED CODE AND CEMETERY GUIDELINES, THAT IF THERE ARE, IF THIS ISN'T CONFLICTING WITH THAT AT ALL, THAT IS BETWEEN THE APPLICANT WHO'S THE CHURCH AND THE STATE OF OHIO AND WHAT THE CEMETERY LAWS ARE AND THAT WOULD APPLY TO INTERNMENT AND HOW THEY HANDLE THAT. THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW. SO FIRST OF ALL, WE LOOK AT USE, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED OUR, WE USE OUR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WHEN THINGS DON'T FIT EXACTLY IN OUR CODE OR OUR STANDARD ZONING. AND IT'S USUALLY WHEN SOMETHING'S CONSIDERED COMPATIBLE, UH, FOR THE AREA. AND IN MY OPINION, A CEMETERY IS COMPATIBLE, UH, IN THIS AREA. IT'S CONNECTED TO THE CHURCH, UH, LOTS OF CHURCHES. IT'S VERY COMMON TO HAVE CEMETERIES WITH CHURCHES. UH, VERY COMMON TO HAVE PARKS NEARBY. THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER CEMETERY NEARBY. SO TO ME, THE USE IS APPROPRIATE AND USING THE PUD PROCESS, UH, IS A GOOD WAY TO GO. THAT MEANS I'VE READ THROUGH THE PUD TEXTS AND I HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES. UM, I THINK THE, IT IS BEING OVER AMBITIOUS AS TO THE SIZE THAT WANTS TO, THE USE THAT WANTS TO BE USED HERE. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR DUBLIN CEMETERY, IT'S GENERALLY ABOUT 12 ACRES IS WHAT THE DUBLIN CEMETERY DOWNTOWN IS. SO WE'RE NOT TOO FAR OFF HERE AT 10, THOUGH I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA BE ON FIVE OR SIX ACRES 'CAUSE IT'S THE WAY THE CHURCH IS ALREADY THERE. BUT THE NUMBER OF BURIALS BEING REQUESTED AND THE NUMBER OF NICHE NICHES, NICHES IN THE, UM, STRUCTURES IS EXTREMELY HIGH. UH, IF YOU, I THINK I PUT IT ON HERE. SO IT WAS ASKING FOR 2,800 PLOTS AND IF, AND YOU GUYS IT WAS MENTIONED THEY COULD DO 12 A YEAR AT 20 A YEAR, IT WOULD TAKE 140 YEARS TO FILL THOSE SPOTS. SO, UM, AND LIKEWISE, I THINK IT WAS 5,232 NICHES WITHIN THE, UM, ERUM AND AT 20 YEAR, THAT'S 261 YEARS TO FILL THOSE. SO I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS JUST THE DENSITY, THE, THE, UM, SIZE. SO MY FIRST APPROACH WOULD BE TO CUT THESE NUMBERS IN HALF. UM, JUST, I THINK THAT HELPS REASSURE THAT IT'S GOING TO STAY A SMALLER DEVELOPMENT. UM, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF BURIALS BY HALF. IT ALSO GIVES YOU A LOT MORE SPACE. SO WE CAN INCREASE AND GET PROBABLY A HUNDRED FOOT SET, 75 TO A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK ON THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. AS FAR AS, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED, UH, THE FLOODING, AGAIN, EPA, THERE'S A HIGH WATERMARK ON STREAMS AND THERE'S FLOODPLAIN RULES. THERE'S GONNA BE LAWS AROUND WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED, UH, TO BUILD THAT. IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE STREAM PROTECTION CORRIDOR AREA WHERE JUST IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT NOTHING WILL BE BUILT THERE. SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT THAT PUT, [01:30:01] UM, BE PUT IN. I WOULD REMOVE THE LARGE CALL AUMS ALTOGETHER FROM THE TEXT AND NOT ALLOW 'EM, UNLESS A LARGE ONE WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE CHAPEL THEY PLAN TO DO. I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. I THINK OTHERWISE I WOULD KEEP ANYTHING, BE IT THE CONIUM OR STATUES OR WHATEVER, FOUR FEET OR UNDER, THEY'RE EASY TO SCREEN THAT WAY. UM, IT SAID MOST, A LOT OF THE STUFF WOULD BE FLUSH MARKERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ANYWAY. SO I WOULD SUGGEST LOWERING THE HEIGHT OF ALL STRUCTURES AND OBJECTS WITHIN THE, UM, SUMTER EXCEPT FOR THE CHAPEL. THE CHAPEL I THINK IS APPROPRIATE. AGAIN, UM, APPROPRIATE USE. I THINK IT, UM, THE, THE CHAPEL AND AGAIN THE, THE BIG RUM IN THE CHAPEL WOULD BE FINE. UH, I, AS FAR AS SOME OTHER PROBLEMS I SAW IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, UM, IT DOES, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WANT TO KEEP THE MEMBERSHIP, UM, OR USE OF THE CEMETERY WOULDN'T BE SOLD TO THE PUBLIC. I GET THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE REASSURING IF WE DEFINED MEMBERSHIP AND WHO THOSE OTHER, BECAUSE IT DOES SAY THEY MAY CONSIST OR CONSIDER SISTER CONGREGATIONS. I WOULD ADD SOME MORE INFORMATION AROUND THAT. THERE'S ALSO SOME CONFLICTING INFORMATION. IT SAYS IN PHASE, IT SAYS PHASE TWO WILL INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MEMORIAL SPACES ON THE SITE. SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE ALL OF THE SPACES. AND THEN TWO, THAT WAS D AND THEN AN F IT SAYS PHASE THREE WILL INCLUDE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE. UM, ONE, THE BARRELS ARE FILLED IN THE TOP. SO THERE'S SOME TEXT MODIFICATIONS I FEEL THAT NEED MADE. UH, IN GENERAL, THIS IS THE BROADEST PUDI HAVE EVER READ. GENERALLY SPEAKING, A PUD COMES BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING AND IT SHOWS EXACTLY WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE, EXACTLY WHERE THE PATHS ARE GONNA BE. AND THIS IS JUST EXTREMELY BROAD BY SAYING THE LOCATIONS IN LAYOUT ARE CONCEPTUAL. SO I THINK TO ELIMINATE THE FEARS OF THE NEIGHBORS AND THE RESIDENTS, WE NEED A PLAN AND WE NEED A DISTINCT PLAN. UM, THE EXACT LOCATION OF EVERY SINGLE BARREL, MAYBE NOT, MAYBE WE HAVE SMALLER LITTLE AREAS, THAT'S FINE. BUT AS FAR AS THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE ABOVE GROUND THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN THERE WHERE THAT CHAPEL'S GONNA BE, UM, I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE MORE DEFINED PLAN BEFORE I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE, UH, APPROVING THIS. SO I THINK THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE. I AM CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, RECOMMENDING HAVING A CEMETERY IN THIS LOCATION. I JUST THINK WE NEED A LITTLE MORE, UH, DETAIL, I GUESS TO REASSURE THE NEIGHBORS AND JUST TO REDUCE THE INTENSITY OF IT. THANK YOU. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER CRA'S EXPERIENCE ON PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, TO BE ABLE TO BRING UP SOME OF THOSE AND, AND ARTICULATE THEM SO WELL. 'CAUSE I HAVE SIMILAR QUESTIONS, UM, FOR OUR CITY TEAMS, UM, AND YOU DID A VERY NICE JOB OF BRINGING THEM FORWARD. SO THANK YOU AMY. UM, ONE, I'LL GO BACK TO THE, THE COMMENT ON THE SISTER, UM, PARISHES, SISTER CHURCHES. I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE DEFINITION ON WHAT THAT COULD BE, WHETHER THEY'RE SPELLED OUT TODAY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO, WOULD BE TO CLEARLY LIST CONGREGATIONS THAT COULD BE IN WITHIN CONSIDERATION FOR THAT. BECAUSE THE CHURCH HAS CLEARLY STATED THAT THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL, UH, PROPOSAL, BUT I THINK THAT THEY OWE IT TO, UM, THE COMMUNITY TO FURTHER DEFINE WHO BEYOND THEIR CURRENT 450 TO 500 MEMBERS COULD BE UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR BURIAL WITHIN THE CEMETERY, SHOULD IT MOVE FORWARD. UM, LEMME GO THROUGH MY NOTES HERE. SO I KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. UM, I ALSO HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CHANGE ZONING FOR WHAT IS A VERY, VERY CONCEPTUAL PLAN OVERALL. SO MY QUESTIONS WERE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC. SO WILL THE FINAL PLAN PROVIDE MORE DEFINED LAYOUTS? UM, I'VE LISTENED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING CALLS AND, AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE DESIGNERS AREN'T SURE WHAT COLUM BARRIER MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE, FUTURE, WHAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE AS, UM, ADDITIONAL INTERNMENTS MOVE [01:35:01] FORWARD. BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOME IDEA OF SIZES AND INTERNMENTS. I MEAN, YOU'RE, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THE CHURCH WILL WAIT UNTIL THE FIRST PERSON WANTS TO HAVE THEIR ASHES INTERN BEFORE THEY SELECT THE COLUMN AREA TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. SO I THINK DEFINITELY SOME, UM, UM, MORE MUCH FURTHER DEFINED CLEAR DEFINED PLANS AND SIZES WHERE THEY WILL GO LAYOUTS, ET CETERA. I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER KRAM ON THAT COMPLETELY. UM, ALSO, IF THOSE DON'T COME FORWARD IN A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK BEFORE CITY STAFF, UM, WITH LAYOUTS IN THE FUTURE? OR IS THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY WOULD JUST HAVE CARTE BLANCHE TO PUT THEM WHEREVER THEY WANTED? AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE. SO I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE, EVEN BEFORE ZONING WOULD COME TO A VOTE, WE WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE A MUCH CLEARER PLAN ON ANTICIPATED LOCATIONS AND SIZES. I AGREE THAT THE SIZES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED AND THE NUMBER THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED SHOULD THEY COME TO FRUITION, UM, DON'T SEEM TO FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CRAM THAT THAT SHOULD BE REDUCED SIGNIFICANTLY. UM, THERE'S NO MENTION IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT ON SCATTER GARDENS AS FAR AS THE CAPACITY OF A SCATTER GARDEN. AND I REALIZE THAT IT'S AN OPEN SPACE. UM, AND I THINK THIS APPLIES NOT ONLY TO THIS PROPOSAL, BUT APPLIES TO CEMETERIES IN GENERAL BECAUSE I KNOW AS A CITY WE'RE CONTEMPLATING POSSIBLY A NEW SCATTER, UM, AREA WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY CEMETERY. SO, UM, BUT THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ANY EXPLICIT LIMITS FOR, UM, SCATTER GARDEN PLACEMENTS, THE NUMBER OF SCATTER GARDEN PLACEMENTS, IS IT, IS IT AT ANY TIME ANYONE WANTS TO, ARE, DO YOU NEED A PERMIT TOCA? I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE REGULATIONS ARE OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN OUR REGULATIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK AS A CITY WE SHOULD BE AT LEAST ADDRESSING THAT IN, IN CLARIFYING THAT AS WELL AS A PART OF OUR OWN REGULATIONS AS A PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. UM, SOME QUESTIONS CAME UP TONIGHT ABOUT THE SOUTH BUFFER, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT PHASE THREE WOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED UNTIL, UM, IT'S LIKE A THOUSAND GRAVE SITE, A THOUSAND BURIAL SITES. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY, UH, COLUMN BARRIER IT WAS 80, 90 WHAT THE NUMBER WAS. BUT WHEN WILL THE SOUTH BUFFER ACTUALLY BE INSTALLED? THE, THE BUFFER THAT BORDERS COBA PARK? DO WE KNOW THAT SARAH? WE DO, HANG ON JUST A SECOND. THAT SOUTH BUFFER WILL BE INSTALLED WITH PHASE ONE AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. IT'S THAT DARK GREEN AREA. OKAY. AND IS THAT BUFFER ALSO GOING TO HAVE THE 100% OPACITY? I I BELIEVE THERE'S MENTION THAT THE BUFFER IS INTENDED TO BE 100% OPAQUE YEAR ROUND AT FULL GROWTH. UNDERSTAND THAT TREES TAKE TIME, BUT WILL THAT SOUTHERN, WILL ALL THE BORDER HAVE THAT OPACITY REQUIREMENT? THE EAST EDGE WILL HAVE THAT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE AN, DOES IT, I DIDN'T READ, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T READ THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT. WHAT DOES THE SOUTH BORDER SAY? DOES, IS THERE AN OPACITY STATEMENT AROUND THE SOUTH BORDER? SO IT SAYS IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AS PROPOSED, UM, IT WILL INCLUDE EXISTING TREES, A WOOD NATURAL FINISH, THREE RAIL SPLIT FENCE, AND A NATURAL OPEN SPACE OF 20 FOOT MINIMUM IN WIDTH. THE OPEN SPACE CAN BE A MANICURED LAWN, A SEED MIX PLANTING, OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH AS SHOWN ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. OKAY. SO IT, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE SOUTH, THE SOUTHERN BUFFER IS INTENDED TO REALLY BE A VISUAL BARRIER, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I GATHERED FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT. DID I MISUNDERSTAND? NO, I THINK THAT THAT'S A CORRECT ASSUMPTION. OKAY. LET ME MAKE SURE. I, I THINK THAT'S ALL OF MY CURRENT QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED TONIGHT. BUT AGAIN, JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZING, I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE A MUCH MORE, MUCH MORE DETAIL [01:40:01] ON WHAT IS PLANNED, THE SPACES, I THINK WE CAN ACCOMMODATE LARGER SETBACKS. UM, I HEAR THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE COME, I'VE LISTENED TO THE OTHER MEETINGS, I'VE READ EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS. AND BELIEVE ME, I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO HAVE YOUR BACKYARD CHANGE AND IT'S AN UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION TO BE IN. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WHAT THE CHURCH IS HOPING TO CREATE HERE IS A PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL SPACE. AND I HOPE AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE WE'VE OBVIOUSLY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S PLANNED, THAT WE CAN COME TO SOME, SOME SORT OF A, AN AGREEMENT AS RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY AT THE MOMENT. THANKS. UM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HEAR A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE VERY DIFFERENT, UM, FROM ME, THAT HAS NOT BEEN SAID. I THINK THAT THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS OVERLY BROAD. I DON'T THINK IT'S, TO ME IT IS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH. I, I COULD NOT GET A SENSE FROM WHAT WAS, UM, IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND IN THE PLAN OF, OF WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. AND, YOU KNOW, CEMETERIES ARE, UH, CAN BE A VERY SENSITIVE TOPIC FOR FOLKS. UM, SOME PEOPLE HAVE NO PROBLEM LIVING NEAR THEM, OTHER PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO. AND I UNDERSTAND BOTH OF THOSE PERSPECTIVES. BUT WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN, CAN'T EVEN GET A SENSE FOR WHAT IT'S GONNA REALLY LOOK LIKE, THAT TO ME IS A BIT OF A STRUGGLE. I AGREE. I THINK THE NUMBERS ARE TOO HIGH. IT FEELS, I HATE USING THE WORD DENSE, THAT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THE RIGHT WORD, BUT IT, IT GETS THE POINT ACROSS. UM, I DO THINK THOSE NUMBERS ARE A BIT TOO HIGH. UM, I AGREE THAT THERE'S SOME OTHER DEFINITION THAT NEEDS TO BE OBTAINED AS FAR AS THE FOLKS THAT WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO USE THESE. UM, IN, IN TERMS OF THE SISTER CONGREGATIONS, I, I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT THAT MEANS. UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN WE GET SOMETHING THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, 90% OF THE RESIDENTS, THE NEIGHBORS WHO WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS OBJECT TO IT, THAT CAN MEAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. IT CAN MEAN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVEN'T GONE DEEP ENOUGH AND FAR ENOUGH WITH THE FOLKS WHO WOULD FIND THEIR PROPERTIES IMPACTED BY SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME ADDITIONAL EFFORT, UM, AND SOME SPECIFICITY GIVEN TO THE RESIDENTS, TO THE NEIGHBORS OF THIS AREA. I, IT, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO FEEL A SENSE OF SUPPORT FOR SOMETHING WHEN I CAN SEE THAT ALMOST EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBOR IS REALLY, REALLY AGAINST IT. 'CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE WHO LIVE HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, SO I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION HAPPEN. AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME NEGOTIATING GOING BACK AND FORTH. THERE CLEARLY NEEDS TO BE MORE THAT'S DONE REGARDING THAT KIND OF COMMUNICATION. UM, I THINK AMY'S MADE SOME GREAT SUGGESTIONS, I THINK, UM, SO FAR THAT YOU'VE HEARD THAT RIGHT NOW THIS IS JUST OVERLY BROAD AND I, YOU KNOW, I I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING, OH YEAH, LET'S PUT A BUILDING OVER THERE. I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW HIGH IT IS. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE MATERIAL'S GONNA BE YET. I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW DENSE IT'S GONNA BE, BUT YEAH, GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. THAT DOESN'T FEEL OKAY TO ME. UM, AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, THAT I'M SENSITIVE TO. SO, UM, I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. SO TO ME IT LOOKED LIKE THERE REALLY IS NO BUFFERING BETWEEN THE BASEBALL DIAMOND AND THE PROPOSED SOUTHERN AREA OF THE CEMETERY. LIKE IT'S JUST, OR IS THAT WHERE THE, IS THERE GONNA BE A LITTLE SPLIT RAIL FENCE THERE? THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY. THAT'S THEIR, OH, THAT'S THE, THE CHURCH'S PROPERTY. THE BASEBALL DIAMOND IS A CHURCH'S PROPERTY. GOTCHA. MM-HMM . UM, I, I DON'T LOVE THAT THERE'S NOT MORE SCREENING BETWEEN THE PARK AND THE PROPOSED, UM, CEMETERY EITHER. UM, HAVING HAD A KIDDO THAT SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THAT PARK, I DON'T LOVE IT. I, I THINK, I THINK THE SCREENING SHOULD BE MUCH, MUCH DENSER IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT UP AGAINST A, A PUBLIC PARK. AND I'LL END MY COMMENTS THERE. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL BE BRIEF WITH MY COMMENTS, BUT FOR ME, I THINK ONE ISSUE IS A LEGAL FRAMEWORK BECAUSE BOTH SIDES ACTUALLY ARGUE A LEGAL FRAMEWORK. AND OUR LAW DIRECTOR DOES HAVE A LEGAL OPINION ON THIS. UM, AND HAS THAT LEGAL OPINION BEEN ACCURATE, ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD AND OR HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE PARTIES? UH, THA CAN YOU COME UP, SORRY, THAD FROM OUR OFFICE, HE'S BEEN HANDLING THIS THIS YEAR. SO YEAH, BECAUSE, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'LL BE HELPFUL AS FAR AS LIKE THE ARGUMENTS THAT ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO LEGAL, THE TWO LEGAL FRAMEWORKS THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE. AND IF I GET THIS CORRECTLY, I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE EX EXPLAINING IS THAT THE PUD FRAMEWORK IS A FREESTANDING ZONING MECHANISM, WHICH KIND OF SUPERSEDES THE, UM, DIRECT SPECIFIC NUMERIC, UH, REQUIREMENTS FROM THE OTHER ORDINANCES THAT WERE DISCUSSED. RIGHT. THE, UM, 1 51 0 1 9, THE ORC 1 7 2, 1 0.03. UM, SO THAT'S ONE QUESTION AND COULD YOU, COULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT? CERTAINLY. UM, CERTAINLY. THANK YOU DR. LAMB. UH, MEMBERS [01:45:01] OF COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. SO TO ANSWER, I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION, WE HAVE NOT SHARED LEGAL OPINIONS WITH ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY BECAUSE OUR WRITTEN LEGAL OPINIONS AND OUR LEGAL ADVICE IS SUBJECT TO ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE. WHAT I WILL SAY IN RESPONSE, I THINK TO YOUR SECOND QUESTION, DR. LAMB, IS ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING CONCEPT. SO THAT CREATES ITS OWN DEVELOPMENT, TEXT IE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, ITS OWN PERMITTED USES FOR THE PARTICULAR GROUND THAT THAT PUD APPLIES TO. AND SO ONCE A PUD IS ADOPTED WITH ITS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND, AND USES, THAT DOES SUPERSEDE IT, IT IS, IT DISPLACES IS PROBABLY A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT. IT DISPLACES WHATEVER THE STRAIGHT ZONING, YOU KNOW, R TWO, R THREE, THOSE SORTS OF DISTRICTS WOULD OTHERWISE REQUIRE. IT IS A CUSTOM ZONING DISTRICT AND IT'S USED NOT JUST IN THIS APPLICATION, BUT OF COURSE WIDELY USED THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DUBLIN. SO THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. SO THEN TO ME THEN THIS COMES DOWN TO THE QUESTION WHICH WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP EARLIER BY ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, IS THAT, IS A PUD APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE? UM, AND I THINK IT IS BECAUSE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE PUD IS TO HAVE SPECIFIC TAILORED, UM, ZONING REQUIREMENTS. UM, AND IT'S IN THAT THEN I DO HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS AND IT'S PARTICULARLY IN RESPONSE TO THE HYDROGEOLOGICAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE WELLS, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR IT IS, UH, FROM THE HOUSES, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE DATA ON THAT. CORRECT. RIGHT. IF, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY. SO THAT'S UNCLEAR. HAS A HYDROGEOLOGICAL, UH, STUDY OR SURVEY BEEN DONE WITH THIS? WE DON'T HAVE THAT JURISDICTION. RIGHT? YEAH. THERE, THERE'S BEEN NO STUDY OF THAT NATURE DONE. UM, BUT THAT'S ALSO NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS REGULATED IN TERMS OF UNDERSTOOD THOSE GROUNDWATER SOURCES. THERE ARE OTHER AGENCIES DO THAT WITH REGARD TO ANY USE THAT COMES INTO THE CITY. IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO CEMETERY USES. UNDERSTOOD. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF, THIS IS PURELY JUST A ZONING QUESTION FOR US. CORRECT. AND THEN ALL OF THE OTHER DETAILS, AS YOU KNOW, AMY HAD MENTIONED THAT'S FOR THE RESIDENTS TO DISCUSS WITH THE, THE CHURCH AND ALSO WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, CITY AND THE STATE AFTERWARDS. UM, BUT TO ME IT'S ACTUALLY SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT IS GONNA AFFECT THE RESIDENTS. AND SO LIKE THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID THAT, I THINK WE NEED MORE INFORMATION, MORE DETAIL. I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE MORE DETAIL THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION ON THIS. THANK YOU, ANDY. SO, UM, I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS AND I, I AGREE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN SAID. FOR ME, MY GOAL HERE IS THAT YOU NEVER EVEN KNOW IT'S THERE. AND I THINK THAT, UH, WITH PROPER BUFFERING SCALING BACK THE NUMBER OF GROUND PLOTS AS COUNCIL MEMBER CRAM INDICATED, I THINK THERE'S JUST TWO. YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A LOT ON A, A LITTLE GROUND. UM, THE, THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE COLUMN BARIUMS, WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, IF I WERE TO CHOOSE IT WOULD BE THE CENTER OF THE, THE AREA, UM, PROPER, PROPERLY SCREENED FROM THE NEIGHBORS, UH, THE FOLKS TO THE EAST. I, I FEEL FOR YOU. UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT WITH THE MATURE TREES THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR PROPERTY NOW AND WITH PROPER BUFFERING ON THE SITE, AGAIN, MY HOPE IS YOU'LL NEVER EVEN KNOW THIS IS THERE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT. UM, JUST SCALE BACK AND, AND KEEP AN EYE ON THE SCALE AND THE, THE QUANTITY OF THE COLUMN BARIUMS. THANKS. THANK YOU. COULD WE GO BACK TO THE VERY FIRST SLIDE THAT JUST DEFINES SORT OF THE PROCESS STEPS? COULD YOU DO THAT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO I, I THINK ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I, I FOUND, FOUND THIS SLIDE OF COURSE TO BE HELPFUL. I LIKE, UM, AMY AND CHRIS HAVE, UH, SERVED ON PLANNING AND ZONING AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GETS VERY CONFUSING SOMETIMES CONFLATED IS WHAT YOU DO AT EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL STEPS AND WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THE APPLICANT AT EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL STEPS AND ET CETERA. SO AT THIS PARTICULAR STEP IN THE PROCESS, VERY DETAILED DESCRIPTIONS OF WHAT IS GONNA BE GONNA BE WHERE ISN'T IN THIS PROCESS, IT IS IN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS. THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL NOT COME BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING THAT, I MEAN, TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT IS THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING. BUT THIS TONIGHT IS, [01:50:01] AND SO I, MY COMMENTS WILL RELATE TO THE, THE USE, THE DENSITY, GENERAL LAYOUT, STREET CIRCULATION, ET CETERA. AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS A USEFUL DOCUMENT AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE SOME OF THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME FORWARD IS THAT WAS NOT THAT STEP IN THE PROCESS YET. SO I JUST, I I, IT ISN'T THAT IT ISN'T DESIRED. IT ISN'T THAT IT ISN'T IMPORTANT, BUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT ARE LAND USE AND DENSITIES. AND, UM, THERE WAS A COMMENT EARLIER MADE THAT THEY HAVE, THAT SOME FOLKS HAVE NOT HEARD A NEED. UM, FOR, UM, CEMETERIES. I I WILL TELL YOU I HEAR THAT FAIRLY REGULARLY. SO, UH, FROM RESIDENTS SO THAT I CAN SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A NEED AND PROXIMITY TO A CHURCH IS A, A NORMAL THING FOR, UM, CEMETERIES. SO IT, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. THE SECOND PART OF THAT, OF THE DENSITY, UM, I WILL AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT HAVE SPOKEN TONIGHT THAT THE DENSITY SEEMS QUITE A LOT FOR THE, UM, ANTICIPATED NUMBER OF USES OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. SO I THINK THE DENSITY AND THE GENERAL LAYOUT, UM, I, I THINK THAT, UM, REQUIRES SOME ADDITIONAL WORK. I'M SURE THERE WERE A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT SETBACKS AND NEEDS, BUT THE GENERAL SITE LAYOUT, I, I THINK SETBACKS ARE GONNA AIR ARE IMPORTANT HERE, UM, AS APPROPRIATE, THE CIRCULATION, THE FRAMEWORK, AND OF COURSE THE INTEGRATION. SO THE, THE AMOUNT OF BUFFERING, THE, UM, OPACITY OF THAT BUFFERING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, I THINK YOU HEARD THE COLLEAGUE SAY TONIGHT OR APPROPRIATE CONVERSATIONS AT THIS POINT. AND I THINK, UM, TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO, TO, TO GET THE LAND USE, THE LAYOUT AND THE DENSITY IN A, IN A WAY THAT IT FITS AND INTEGRATES INTO THE SURROUNDING AREAS IS, IS PRETTY IMPORTANT. SO AGAIN, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE USE. I, I THINK, AGAIN, IF WE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MORE DEFINITION ON THOSE SPECIFICS AS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FINAL LOOK, ALL OF THAT. AGAIN, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE AT THIS PHASE, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED SOME ADDITIONAL WORK DONE ON, ON SOME OF THIS. AND THE, UM, UH, I, I APPLAUD EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS TONIGHT. MUTUAL RESPECT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS, MUTUAL RESPECT FOR THE CHURCH AND WHAT EVERYONE IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS EXCHANGES TO BE ABOUT, IS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, UM, AND THEN TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS. SO I THINK WE HAD SOME COMMENTS ON THE PROCESS, BUT I, I THINK, I THINK IT'S MOVING IN, IN, UH, A DIRECTION THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THANK YOU. CHRIS, DO YOU MIND IF I MAKE ONE? YEAH, SORRY, JUST PIGGYBACKS OFF OF WHAT KATHY SAID. I JUST AS A REMINDER, YES, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS OF THE PLAN, THE DISCONNECT OR THE PROBLEM HOWEVER, IS THAT WE DO THE REZONING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT TOGETHER. THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THE LOCATIONS AND LAYOUTS IN THIS PLAN IS CONCEPTUAL. THE DETAIL I AM ASKING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT REFER TO A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT INCLUDES MORE DETAIL. AH, OKAY. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT BECAUSE THAT SHOULD, SHOULD MAKE SENSE. BUT THANK YOU AMY, I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S A THANK YOU. YEP. I HAVE ONE MORE. UM, BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT. I DID HAVE SOME CONCERN AFTER THE LAST PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING THAT THE REMOVAL OF THE REMOVAL FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT STATEMENT THAT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL ART RELIGIOUS MARKERS AND SCULPTURE IN G OF SUBAR BI READ THAT TO MEAN THAT THERE WILL BE NO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ART, RELIGIOUS MARKERS AND SCULPTURE. IS THAT CORRECT? AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. TO ME, THAT'S CONCERNING BECAUSE THE ART AT SOME OF THESE INSTALLATIONS, THE, THE ART OR THE MARKERS COULD BE 20 FEET HIGH. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE, AS, AS A CITY WOULD REALLY WANNA GIVE UP ANY TYPE OF INPUT INTO THE NATURE OF A 20 FOOT HIGH SCULPTURE WHEREVER IT RESIDES IN THE CITY. I MEAN, WE, SO I, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'VE GIVEN UP ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW RIGHTS ON A POTENTIAL 20 FOOT SCULPTURE. MY SUGGESTION IS NOTHING IN THE CEMETERY GO OVER FOUR FEET EXCEPT FOR THE CHAPEL, AND THEN THEY CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY PROVE IT. THAT WAS WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING. OKAY. THAT, THAT IS, I, I CAN GET BEHIND THAT STATEMENT AS WELL. SO IF WE COULD GET SOME MORE CLARITY ON THIS. [01:55:12] THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. UM, JUST AS A NOTE TO MEMBERS AND, AND TO THE PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE CITY HAS HAD WITH SOMETHING LIKE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS OF ART PIECES IS NOT WANTING TO OVERSTEP INTO MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT RELIGIOUS ICONOGRAPHY OR OTHER INSTALLATIONS LIKE THAT. SO WE DO HAVE TO TREAD VERY CAREFULLY IN THAT ARENA, UM, WHICH IS WHY THAT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR ART PIECES WAS REMOVED. THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. THEN I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT TECH SHOULD PUT A LIMIT ON THE HEIGHT. I, I THINK TO JUST OPENLY AT THIS STAGE APPROVE A 20 FOOT SCULPTURE IS PROBABLY A LITTLE IRRESPONSIBLE ON OUR PART. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT WITH, UH, CITY STAFF, AND YOU CAN COME BACK TO US WITH IT, BUT I'M DEFINITELY NOT IN SUPPORT OF AN OPEN APPROVAL OF 20 FOOT SCULPTURE. RIGHT. AND TO, TO THAT POINT, THE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE ARE FIVE 20 FOOT ART PIECES THAT ARE ALLOWED UNDER THE TEXT. WHETHER 20 FOOT IS THE CORRECT HEIGHT NUMBER, I THINK IS A POINT FOR DISCUSSION AND DEBATE. BUT ONCE THAT HEIGHT IS SET, THE CITY SHOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN DETERMINING WHAT IS DEPICTED. RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT, THAT'S CERTAINLY A, A, A GOOD POINT OF REFERENCE. SO, UH, EVERY DAY THAT I GOT TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR NEARLY EIGHT YEARS WITH AMY WAS A GOOD ONE. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S NO MISTAKE YOU START WITH HER BECAUSE SHE'LL DO THE LION'S SHARE OF THE WORK. UM, I WOULD AGREE WITH, WITH ALL OF THE THINGS THE, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXTS WOULD BE APPROVED AS PART OF THIS. AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS, IS ARGUABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PORTION. IT'S ARGUABLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE RENDERINGS THEMSELVES BECAUSE, UM, RENDERINGS LOOK THE WAY THEY LOOK ON A PIECE OF PAPER, BUT DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS DEFINITIVE. AND SO I THINK GETTING THIS DEVELOPMENT TEXT TIGHT, UM, WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT PRIOR TO SECOND READING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UH, REALLY UNDERSTAND PRECISELY WHAT'S BEING APPROVED. UM, I DO BELIEVE THE DENSITIES ARE, ARE, UM, AGGRESSIVE AND I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM BE LESS AGGRESSIVE. THE GENERAL SITE LAYOUT, I THINK IS, IS GOOD, UM, WITH SOME DOWNSCALING AND PERHAPS BRINGING IT MORE TO THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE, UH, AND, AND PERMITTING SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE BETWEEN THOSE, UM, STRUCTURES, ROADS, WHATEVER, AND THE NEIGHBORS IS APPROPRIATE. UM, THE CIRCULATION I THOUGHT WAS QUITE NICE THROUGH THERE. I, I, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT, UM, FUNERALS OFTEN HAPPEN, IT, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH HOW THAT GOES. UM, AND I, I REALLY AM IN FAVOR OF THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A CEMETERY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I, UM, THAT IS VERY, VERY NEAR MY HOUSE THAT I DRIVE BY EVERY TIME I COME IN AND OUT. AND, UM, WHEN WE HAD A DOG, I WOULD OFTEN TAKE THE DOG THERE. AND IT, IT WAS A, A GOOD SPACE TIME FOR ME TO JUST BE REFLECTIVE THAT, UM, THAT AT SOME POINT THAT'S HOW IT GOES. AND SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOUR WILLINGNESS TO OPEN THE, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND, AND, UH, EXPERIENCE THAT SPACE AND HOPEFULLY THAT THEY WOULD FIND, UM, SOME PEACE AND SOME JOY THERE AS WELL. UH, SO I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO INTEGRATE IT INTO THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THAT BEING SAID, I I'M GONNA INTRODUCE ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY CONSIDER AS A, AS A COUNCIL ON THESE MATTERS. BUT BECAUSE OF THE PERMANENCE OF A CEMETERY, I THINK THAT WE, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THE PERPETUAL CARE FUNDING. SO OTHER CHURCHES IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE TURNED OVER CARE OF THEIR CEMETERY TO THE CITY, UM, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO, UH, CARE FOR THAT OVER THE LONG TERM. SO I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO LOOK FOR WHAT IS THE, THE LONG, LONG-TERM PLAN OF, UH, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAINTAIN THIS OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, IF IT'S GONNA TAKE 220 YEARS TO FILL IT UP, TO SELL THE LAST, THE LAST, UH, CONDO, IF YOU WILL. UM, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHO, UH, IN THE, IN THE EVENT THAT THAT HAS SOME VARYING LEVELS OF EXPERIENCE OVER TIME, WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THAT? UM, BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO, AND [02:00:01] I'M TOO OLD FOR IT TO HAPPEN TO ME, BUT SOMEBODY SITTING IN THIS SEAT, UH, MANY YEARS FROM NOW AND THE CHURCH SAY, BOY, COSTS HAVE GOTTEN TOO EXPENSIVE AND WE HAVEN'T SOLD A CONDO IN 30 YEARS, AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO MOW THE GRASS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, CARE FOR THE HEADSTONES. AND SOMEBODY CAME THROUGH AND TIPPED THEM OVER AND, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO I THINK THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO ASK THE QUESTION. IN THIS CASE, MOST CASES IT'S NOT. UM, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS PERPETUITY, WE CAN'T JUST HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE COME IN AND BUY IT AND REDEVELOP IT. YOU KNOW, CEMETERIES LARGELY DON'T EXPERIENCE REDEVELOPMENT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN, THAN OTHER THINGS. SO WHATEVER, AT WHATEVER POINT, I WOULD LIKE US TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON, ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A WELL-FOUNDED DECISION AND WE'RE NOT PLACING A BURDEN ON WHO, WHATEVER SEVEN PEOPLE ARE SITTING IN THESE SEATS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. UM, UH, I, I'M SYMPATHETIC WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND I, AND I GET WHY IT'S CONFUSING WHEN YOU HAVE SERVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR EIGHT YEARS, EXACTLY HOW ALL OF THESE PROCESSES GO. SO I AM SYMPATHETIC THAT THEY CAN BE CONFUSING AND, AND MAYBE A BIT NONSENSICAL, UM, TO A LAY PERSON THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO, UM, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS STATED, IS THE PLACE WHERE THOSE FINAL DECISIONS ARE MADE. BUT TO AMY'S POINT, THE TEXT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET RIGHT IN THIS PHASE SO THAT WHEN THE, UH, DEVELOP, WHEN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMES FORWARD, BECAUSE THE, THE CRITERIA THAT THEY WILL USE TO JUDGE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS, IS IT SIMILAR WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN AND DOES IT MEET THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT? SO WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. UM, WITH THAT, UH, THIS IS SCHEDULED FOR SECOND READING, PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER THE 28TH. IT DOES SOUND LIKE THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF WORK TO BE DONE. SO, UM, WE WILL DO A NOTIFICATION, UH, WHEN SECOND, WE WILL PLAN ON SECOND READING FOR SEPTEMBER THE 28TH, AND THE EVENT THAT THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN, WE WILL COMMUNICATE, UH, WITH EVERYONE THAT HAS SIGNED IN THIS EVENING WITH THE HOAS AND ALL THE FOLKS THAT WERE NOTIFIED. IS THAT CORRECT, LINDSAY? YOU HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION? YES, MA'AM. GREAT. OKAY. SO WE WILL HAVE, IT WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR SECOND READING SEPTEMBER 28TH IN THE EVENT THAT THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN, UM, PLEASE STAY TUNED AND PLEASE CHECK IN BEFORE YOU COME. UH, WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WITHIN OUR POWER TO COMMUNICATE THAT OUT WITH YOU, BUT COMMUNICATION IS A TWO-WAY STREET, SO WE ASK YOU TO BE GOOD PARTNERS IN THAT AS WELL. MAYOR, JUST WANTED TO BRING UP ONE POINT TO CONSIDER. YOU, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO POSTPONE IT. UM, BECAUSE I THINK THE TIMING OF THE NEXT PACKET IS VERY SOON. I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'LL BE MUCH THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED IN TWO WEEKS THAT I WILL LEAVE THAT TO STAFF. THEY WILL BE THE ONES THAT WILL BE DOING THE WORK AND THEY'LL BE THE ONES MAKING THAT DECISION. SO, UM, WE, WE WILL, WE WILL OPEN ALL OF THE COMMUNICATION CHANNELS. UM, PLEASE HELP US IN THAT SPACE. AGAIN, COMMUNICATION IS A TWO-WAY STREET. WE WILL BE PUTTING THAT OUT, BUT WE ASK THAT YOU PARTICIPATE AS WELL. UM, LINDSAY, DO YOU WANNA SEND SOMEBODY OUT THAT CAN COLLECT ANY EMAIL ADDRESSES THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS TO RECEIVE THAT NOTIFICATION? UM, WE CAN DO THAT EITHER DIGITALLY OR HOWEVER. I THINK YOU GOT THAT. MARA, MARA WILL BE GOOD. MARA. GREAT. THANK YOU. SO MARA'S STANDING UP THERE. SHE'S, SO IF YOU, IF YOU FEEL LIKE WE MAY NOT HAVE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS, UH, PLEASE GIVE IT TO MARA AND, UM, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE COMMUNICATE IF THERE'S ANY DELAY IN THAT. I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA POSTPONE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN 'CAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT PROCESS IS GONNA TAKE. SO THANK YOU. WE, UM, YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAY FOR THE BALANCE OF OUR MEETING. IT IS RIVETING AND WE ALWAYS ENJOY WHEN THE PUBLIC'S HERE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO NOT STAY FOR THE BALANCE OF THE MEETING, I WILL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE YOURSELF IF YOU WOULD LIKE BEFORE WE PER, UH, PROCEED TO SUBSEQUENT CASES. OKAY. THE NEXT [Ordinance 49-26 ] ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS ORDINANCE 49 DASH 26. AND IF YOU COULD, UM, SEE MARA ON YOUR WAY OUT, SHE'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESSES AMENDING CHAPTER 35 OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES TO REVISE THE FEE AND SERVICE CHARGE REVENUE COST COMPARISON SYSTEM, AND ESTABLISHING A SCHEDULE OF FEES AND SERVICE CHARGES FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN SERVICES. I THANK YOU. AND OUR STAFF REPORT WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD THIS EVENING BY DOUG ICK. WELCOME, GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION HERE TONIGHT, BUT I WILL TRY TO KEEP IT AS BRIEF AS I CAN. BUT TONIGHT WE'RE PRESENTING ON ORDINANCE 49, THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE COST STUDY, [02:05:01] WHICH REVIEWS, UH, THE COST OF PROVIDING SERVICES TO MAKE SURE THE FEES REMAIN CURRENT AND REASONABLE AND ALIGNED WITH, UH, THE ACTUAL COST. SO LOOKING AT THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WE'LL TAKE A QUICK LOOK A LITTLE BIT INTO THE HISTORY AND TIMELINE, AND THEN FROM THERE WE'LL WALK THROUGH EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS BY THEIR PROPOSED FEES, DISCUSS MORE OF THE NEW FEES, UM, AND THE CITY'S APPROACH TO A CREDIT CARD, UH, FEE RECOVERY, AND THEN QUICKLY DISCUSS REVENUE ASSUMPTIONS AS WELL. SO THE CITY'S FEE REVIEW PROCESS IS GUIDED BY ORDINANCE 94 13, WHICH ESTABLISHES THE PRACTICE OF ALTERNATING BETWEEN INFLATIONARY UPDATES AND MORE COMPREHENSIVE COST SHARES, WHICH ARE EVEN NUMBER YEARS. UH, THIS GIVES THE CITY A CONSISTENT STRUCTURE IN REVIEWING FEES, BUT ALSO PRESERVES FLEXIBILITY TO RESPOND TO THE CHANGING ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, SERVICE DELIVERY, UH, CHANGES AND NEW, UH, CITY PRIORITIES. SO TAKING A LOOK BACK AT THE LAST FEW YEARS, 2023 WAS AN INFLATIONARY MEASURE AT 4.25%. IN 2024, WE PERFORMED A FULL COMPREHENSIVE COST STUDY. AND THEN WITH LAST YEAR WE APPLIED A 2.6 INFLATIONARY MEASURE. UH, THE TABLE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THAT PRIOR INFLATIONARY ME ADJUSTMENTS HAVE VARIED A BIT OVER TIME. AND CURRENTLY THERE ARE 177 FEES LISTED IN THE 2027 FEE SCHEDULE. SO THIS SLIDE SUMMARIZES THE PROCESS USED TO COMPLETE THE FEE REVIEW. UH, THE ANALYSIS STARTS WITH THE ACTUAL COST OF PROVIDING THE CITY SERVICES. UH, WE WORK WITH REVENUE AND COST SPECIALISTS. THEY'RE OUR CONSULTANT BASED OUTTA CALIFORNIA. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM SINCE THE MID NINETIES. UH, WE ALSO WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENTS DIRECTLY TO VALIDATE STAFFING, OPERATIONAL AND SERVICE DELIVERY ASSUMPTIONS. AND THEN COST WERE THEN ALLOCATED TO THE INDIVIDUAL SERVICES. UH, COST RECOVERY LEVELS WERE EVALUATED, PEER COMMUNITIES WERE BENCHMARKED AS NEEDED. AND THEN POLICY CONSIDERATIONS WERE ALSO APPLIED BEFORE THE, UH, PROPOSED FEES WERE BROUGHT FORWARD. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY IS TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL COST OF SERVICE DELIVERY. AND THE MAIN OBJECTIVE IS NOT TO INCREASE FEES FOR REVENUE GENERATION, BUT TO MAINTAIN FEES THAT ARE EQUITABLE, TRANSPARENT, AND CONSISTENT WITH COUNCIL'S POLICIES ON COST RECOVERY AND TAXPAYER SUBSIDY. TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF MORE OF A LOOK WITHIN THIS FRAMEWORK, SO THE FRAMEWORK HELPS GUIDE THE CITY'S APPROACH TO THE COST RECOVERY BY RECOGNIZING THAT NOT ALL SERVICES PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL TYPE OR LEVEL OF PUBLIC BENEFIT SERVICES THAT BROADLY BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY MAY WARRANT A LOWER COST RECOVERY TARGET AND A GREATER DEGREE OF TAXPAYER SUPPORT. SERVICES THAT PRIMARILY BENEFIT AN INDIVIDUAL APPLICANT, DEVELOPER, OR SPECIFIC USER. ARE GEN GENERALLY MORE APPROPRIATE FOR HIGHER COST RECOVERY LEVELS? THIS CHART PROVIDES SOME CONTEXT FOR HOW THE FEES AND SERVICE CHARGES HAVE PERFORMED OVER TIME. AS YOU COULD SEE, IN 2020, THERE WAS A DIP DUE TO THE PANDEMIC AND LOWER UTILIZATION, AND THAT INCREASED AS THE YEARS WENT ON. UH, WITH 2025 ENDING AT 21.7 MILLION FOR 2026, THE CHART REFLECTS YEAR TO DATE ACTIVITY AS OF THE END OF AUGUST AND EXPECTING SIMILAR, UH, REVENUE NUMBERS COMPARED TO 24 AND 25. LOOKING MORE INTO THE TIMELINE FROM FEBRUARY TO JULY, FINANCE COMPLETED THE ANALYSIS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND HELD REVIEW MEETINGS. THE PROPOSED FEES WERE DISCUSSED DURING THE AUGUST 11TH FINANCE COMMITTEE WITH ANTICIPATED CO UH, COUNCIL ADOPTION ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, AND ALL FEES WOULD BE EFFECTIVE ON JANUARY 1ST, 2027. SO NOW WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE NOTABLE PROPOSED FEE CHANGES. THESE AREN'T ALL THE PROPOSED FEE CHANGES, UH, WITHIN APPENDIX A, BUT BEFORE, UH, LOOKING AT THOSE FEES AND LOOKING IN THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS, IT'S HELPFUL TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND SO THAT CONSIDER THE DEVELOPMENT RELATED FEES AS A WHOLE. UH, LINS FEES MAY APPEAR HIGHER THAN THOSE OF SOME PEER COMMUNITIES, BUT THEY REFLECT THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO PROVIDING A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. THIS INCLUDES PERSONALIZED PLANNING SUPPORT, EXPEDITED PLAN REVIEWS, AND UNLIMITED INSPECTIONS. WHILE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FEES GENERALLY FALL INTO THE MID TO UPPER TIER RANGE, THESE COSTS ARE DIRECTLY TIED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW PROCESS AND THE CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPERIENCE PROVIDED. STAFF HAVE HEARD, UH, CONSISTENT FEEDBACK THAT DEVELOPERS VALUE DUBLIN'S RESPONSIVENESS, PREDICTABILITY, AND QUALITY OF SERVICE, RECOGNIZING THE BENEFITS THESE ATTRIBUTES BRING EVEN WHEN FEES ARE HIGHER THAN THOSE IN SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. SO FOR BUILDING STANDARDS, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING ADJUSTMENTS TO SEVERAL PERMIT AND REVIEW FEES, INCLUDING COMMERCIAL PLAN REVIEWS, PLAN REVISIONS, AND REINSPECTION FEES. THE PROPOSAL ALSO REMOVES TWO FEES, INCLUDING THE BUILDING REPLACEMENT PLANS, WHICH THEY'RE NO LONGER PRINTED. LOOKING MORE INTO PLANNING THE PROPOSED UPDATES PRIMARILY EFFECT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FEES, INCLUDING [02:10:01] PUD APPLICATIONS, AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS, AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT REVIEW SERVICES. STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS FEES RELATED TO SEASONAL BUSINESS REVIEWS IN OUTDOOR PLANT CELLS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE FEE SCHEDULE FOR CO COURT SERVICES. THE PROPOSED CHANGES INCLUDE INCREASES TO SEVERAL ADMINISTRATIVE AND PROCESSING FEES, AND FOR POLICE, THERE'S ONE INCREASE WITH THE RECORDS CHECK AND CLEARANCE LETTER FEE, WHICH WOULD INCREASE $5 PUBLIC SERVICE. THERE'D BE MODEST INCREASE INCREASES TO THE CLEANUP IN REPAIR FEES WHILE ENGINEERING PROPOSES ADJUSTMENTS TO RIGHT AWAY PERMITS, UH, SANITARY SEWER INSPECTIONS AND FLOOD PLAIN INQUIRY RESPONSES. FACILITIES. THE GAS CHARGE ADMINISTRATION FEE WOULD INCREASE FROM 15 CENTS AND 19 CENTS PER GALLON. AND STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING THE REMOVAL OF THE CAR WASH SERVICES. VE P'S CAR WASH SERVICES ARE ONLY PROVIDED, UH, TO CITY OWNED VEHICLES. THE PARKS AND CEMETERY UPDATES SUPPORT THE DIRECTION COUNCIL PROVIDED IN NOVEMBER, 2025. SPECIFICALLY, THE CHANGES REFLECT RESTRICTING FUTURE PLOT NICHE SALES TO DOUBLING RESIDENTS AND FAMILIES AND ELIMINATE ELIMINATING THE SEPARATE NON-RESIDENT CEMETERY FEE STRUCTURE. THE PROPOSED FEE INCREASES INCLUDE NICHE GRAVING AND THE LEGACY TREE FEE, WHICH WOULD INCREASE FROM $2,500 TO $3,500 DUE TO THE DIRECT COST OF THE BENCH BE BEING, UH, $3,300 ALONE. RIGHT NOW FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS, THE PROPOSED CHANGES RELATE TO THE DORA PROGRAM. THE STICKER FEE WOULD BE SET AT $35 PER 1000, WHICH IS A REDUCED RATE, WHILE CUPS WOULD REMAIN AT $50 PER 1000. AS THE CITY CONTINUES USING EXISTING INVENTORY, THIS APPROACH KEEPS BOTH CUP AND STICKER OPTIONS AVAILABLE. GIVES THE PROGRAM FLEXIBILITY AND SUPPORTS THE BALANCED COST RECOVERY APPROACH WITHOUT CREATING UNNECESSARY BARRIERS FOR PARTICIPATING BUSINESSES OR EVENTS. FOR THE DC LAP LANE, DCRC LAP LANE RENTAL FEE FOR THE DUBLIN CITY SCHOOL'S SWIM TEAM, THE FEE HAS INCREASED. THE FEE INCREASED FROM $9 TO $20 LAST YEAR. WITH THIS YEAR, WE PROPOSED INCREASING AT, UH, $40 PER HOUR. IT CONTINUES A GRADUAL TRANS TRANSITION, UH, TOWARD THE MARKET AND COST RECOVERY RATES. ANOTHER RECREATION FEE, THE COMMU THE COMMUNITY HALL UPDATES WOULD TAKE EFFECT, UH, FOR RESERVATIONS BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST AFTER THE COMMUNITY HALL RENOVATIONS, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE CREATES STANDARD AND PREMIUM RENTAL PERIODS. THE PROPOSAL ALSO ELIMINATES A SEPARATE CORPORATE RESIDENT RATE BY INCORPORATING IT INTO THE RESIDENT RATE, ESTABLISHES A TWO HOUR MINIMUM RENTAL PERIOD AND REMOVES THE SEPARATE $30 PER HOUR AFTER HOURS FEE. THIS TABLE SHOWS A PROPOSED COMMUNITY RENTAL STRUCTURE, WHICH SIMPLIFIES THE CATEGORIES BY GROUPING, UH, GROUP TOGETHER. AS I MENTIONED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, IT ALSO INTRODUCES THE STANDARD AND PREMIUM RENTAL PERIODS TO BETTER ALIGN, ALIGN RATES WITH DEMAND, PARTICULARLY DURING WEEK EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS. FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS, UH, CURRENT OPERATIONS RECOVER APPROXIMATELY 43.9% OF THE COST OF SERVICE. UH, COUNCIL VOTED ON MAY 26TH TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING 2025 FEE STRUCTURE FOR ALL SPORTS PROGRAMS DURING 2026. RATHER THAN THE IMPLEMENTED SCHEDULED FEE INCREASES, STAFF IS FURTHER RECOMMENDING MAINTAINING THE CURRENT ATHLETIC FIELD FEES THROUGH 2027 AS WELL. THIS PROVIDES ADDITIONAL TIME TO EVALUATE INTEGRATION WITH PARK SPORTS OHIO AND BROADER LONG-TERM FUNDING AND PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES BEFORE MAKING ADDITIONAL CHANGES. NEXT, WE'LL, UH, SHIFT INTO PROPOSED NEW FEES. SO FOR EV CHARGING STAFF IS PROVO PROPOSING A PILOT FEE STRUCTURE. LEVEL TWO WOULD BE SET AT 20 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR, AND DC FAST CHARGING WOULD BE SET AT 40 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR. THE PROPOSAL ALSO INCLUDES IDLE FEES TO ENCOURAGE TURNOVER AND IMPROVED CHARGER AVAILABILITY, UH, 10 CENTS PER MINUTE FOR THE LEVEL TWO AND 40 CENTS PER MINUTE FOR THE FAST CHARGERS. ONCE THE VEHICLE EXCEEDS A MAXIMUM PARKING TIME LIMIT, STAFF WILL DEVELOP A CLEAR COMMUNICATION PLAN SO USERS UNDERSTAND THE NEW RATES, IDLE FEES AND PARKING LIMITS, AND WE'LL WORK WITH CHARGEPOINT TO ESTABLISH THE APPROPRIATE REVENUE COLLECTION AND ACCOUNTING PROCESSES. UH, SINCE THIS IS A PILOT, STAFF WILL MONITOR ACTUAL COSTS AND REVENUES AND WILL RE REEVALUATE THE RATES DURING FUTURE COST STUDY CYCLES. IF THE FEES ARE NOT SU SUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM, A STAFF WILL RETURN WITH RECOMMENDED ADJUSTMENTS TO ADVANCE COUNCIL'S GOAL OF A SELF-SUPPORTING EV CHARGING ENTERPRISE FUND. THE PROPOSED ANNUAL FOOD TRUCK LICENSE IS $150 PER [02:15:01] FOOD TRUCK BEGINNING ON MARCH 1ST. EACH FOOD TRUCK, UH, OPERATING WITHIN DUBLIN WOULD NEED ITS OWN ANNUAL LICENSE, AND THE LICENSES WOULD REMAIN VALID THROUGH THE END OF FEBRUARY BEFORE RENEWING ANNUALLY. THIS FEE SUPPORTS THE NEW, UH, REGULATORY FRAMEWORK ESTABLISHED THROUGH ORDINANCE 29 26. THE 150 FEE IS PROPOSED AS A STARTING POINT AND WILL BE EVALUATED AS A CITY GAINS OPERATIONAL EXPERIENCE AND BETTER UNDERSTANDS THE PROGRAM'S LONG-TERM ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FOR COURT SERVICES. THE PROPOSED NEW PAYMENT PLAN FEE WOULD BE $10 PER PAYMENT PLAN. THIS IS TIED TO HOUSE BILL 29, WHICH REQUIRES MUNICIPAL COURTS TO PROVIDE PAYMENT PLAN OPTIONS FOR ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS. THE PROPOSED FEE HELPS OFFSET STAFF TIME ASSOCIATED WHILE ESTABLISHING, ADMINISTERING AND MONITORING PAYMENT PLANS WHILE STILL KEEPING THE FEE RELATIVELY MODEST. FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO NEED PAYMENT FLEXIBILITY AND TO DISCUSS THE CREDIT CARD FEE, UH, RECOVERY APPROACH, UH, WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO RECOVER CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES DIRECTLY FROM USERS RATHER THAN CONTINUING TO ABSORB THOSE COSTS AND DEPARTMENTAL OPERATING BUDGETS. A-G-F-O-A RECOMMENDS PASSING CREDIT CARD PROCESSING COSTS TO CUSTOMERS THROUGH CONVENIENCE OR SERVICE FEES, SO TAXPAYERS ARE NOT SUBSIDIZING THE COST OF CARD USE. STAFF WOULD BEGIN IMPLEMENTATION WITH BUILDING STANDARDS AND PLANNING, THEN WORK WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ON AN EXPEDITED TIMELINE TO EXPAND THEIR APPROACH ACROSS APPLICABLE CITY SERVICES. THE KEY OBJECTIVES ARE TO IMPROVE COST RECOVERY, ENCOURAGE LOWER COST A CH AND ECHECK OPTIONS WHERE PRACTICAL AND CONTINUE CONTINUING REDUCING CASH HANDLING WHILE MAINTAINING CONVENIENT ELECTRONIC PAYMENT METHODS. OTHER PROPOSED 2027 FEE ADJUSTMENTS ARE EXPECTED TO GENERATE APPROXIMATELY $500,000 IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE, WHICH WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE 2027 OPERATING BUDGET. THESE ESTIMATES ARE BASED ON HISTORICAL ACTIVITY AND SERVICE DEMAND TRENDS. LOOKING AHEAD, THE CITY WILL CONTINUE CONSULTANT SUPPORTED COST STUDIES WHILE EXPLORING AI AUTOMATION AND TOOLS SUCH AS POWER AUTOMATE TO STREAMLINE DATA COLLECTION AND ADMINISTRATIVE ROLES, IMPROVE EFFICIENCY AND HELP ENSURE FEES REMAIN ALIGNED WITH THE COST OF PROVIDING SERVICES. AND THEN LOOKING AHEAD, UH, FEE REVENUE IS PROJECTED TO GROW FROM APPROXIMATELY 21.7 MILLION IN 2027 TO 24.5 MILLION BY 2031. THIS STEADY INCREASE REFLECTS THE PROPOSED FEE ADJUSTMENTS AND ANTICIPATED GROWTH AND SERVICE ACTIVITY, HELPING REVENUES REMAIN ALIGNED WITH THE COST OF PROVIDING SERVICES OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 49 26 AT THE SECOND READING ON SEPTE SEPTEMBER 28TH. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. I WANNA TAKE A MOMENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION? HEARING NONE COUNCIL QUESTIONS. DISCUSSION. THANKS, DOUG. FOR ALL THE, I MEAN, THIS WAS AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK AND I WILL TRUST YOU THAT MOST OF, LIKE ALL OF THESE INCREMENTS OF FIVE TO A HUNDRED ARE CORRECT. I HAVE OUT OF THE 170, I THINK YOU SAID WE HAD, I I JUST HAVE THREE TO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT. OKAY. SO THE, THE FIRST QUESTION RELATES TO THE, UM, POOL AND THE SWIM TEAMS, AND I TOTALLY SUPPORT GOING UP TO 40. I ACTUALLY THINK WE SHOULD WORK TO THAT 56. UM, THE QUESTION RELATED TO THAT 56 I GUESS IS IT SAYS THAT, SO WE CHARGE THE STUDENTS PER PERSON, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A REC SENDER MEMBERSHIP, OR IT SAYS, IT SAYS PARTICIPANTS PAY A SEASONAL POOL USE FEE ON A PER SWIMMER BASIS OR HAVE A REC CENTER PASS. SO I WAS CURIOUS WHAT THAT PER PERSON FEE IS. GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. SO THIS PARTICULAR FEE IS FOR DUBLIN SCHOOL LAP LANE RENTALS. SO THEY PAY A RENTAL RATE PER HOUR PER LANE? CORRECT. OUR DUBLIN COMMUNITY SWIM TEAM, THEY PAY A FEE FOR THE PROGRAM, BUT THEY, BUT THE RESIDENT OR, UM, BUT NON-RESIDENTS MUST PAY A, UM, POOL USE FEE OF $75 OR A MEMBERSHIP TO THE DUBLIN RECREATION CENTER. OKAY. SO THAT IT JUST, IT WAS ABBREVIATED AS, OH, THERE'S A T AT, IT SAYS DCST, THAT'S DUBLIN COMMUNITY SWIM TEAM YES. VERSUS DUBLIN COMMUNITY SCHOOLS. GOT IT. CORRECT. OKAY. UM, THAT CLARIFIES THE QUESTION, BUT YES, I [02:20:01] STRONGLY SUPPORT. UM, SO WE HAVE GOING UP TO 40 IN 2027, I THINK WE SHOULD GO TO 56 IN 2028. IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT RECOVERY WHEN IT COMES TO THE SCHOOLS ON OUR POOL. UM, SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. UH, NUMBER TWO WAS RELATED TO, UM, JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. SO WE PAUSED THE FIELD PRICES, UM, BECAUSE WE WANTED NEW NUMBERS. THE NUMBER YOU HAD IN THE SLIDE, I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS 43.9%, WAS THE RECOVERY RATE ON THE FIELDS. IS THAT AFTER YOU ASSESSED ALL THE NEW, UM, DATA THAT'S OUR RECOVERY RATE, OR WAS THAT BEFORE YOU ASSESSED IT? THAT WAS LAST YEAR. THAT'S A RECOVERY RATE USING 2025 NUMBERS. OKAY. AND IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT OPERATING EXPENSES AND OVERHEAD COSTS ONLY. NO CAPITAL EXPENDITURES ARE INCLUDED IN THAT CALCULATION. OKAY. SO DID WE DO A DEEP DIVE THEN ON THE FIELD PRICES YET, OR THAT IS WHY YOU'RE SAYING PAUSE. 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT DEEP DIVE AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT WITH THE NEW STUFF OUT, SPORTS OHIO, WHATNOT. UH, BASED ON THIS INFORMATION, WE'VE PROVI UH, PERFORMED A ANALYSIS JUST IN THE AGGREGATE OF ALL THE SPORTS FIELDS. WE DON'T HAVE A ANALYSIS PER SE FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ATHLETIC FIELDS, UH, THE SOCCER FIELDS, LACROSSE FIELDS, SOFTBALL FIELDS. WE'RE HOPING WITH THIS PARTNERSHIP WITH SPORTS OHIO AND PARK TO SEE HOW THINGS WORK OUT BEFORE ASSESSING THE FEES IN THE FUTURE. SO IS THE AGGREGATE NUMBER YOU CAME UP WITH, DO WE HAVE A GENERAL NUMBER OF WHERE WE ARE ON RECOVERY BASED ON ALL THE NEW DATA? YES. SO ON AVERAGE WITH THE COST OF THESE FIELDS WAS APPROXIMATELY $500,000. SO 43% OF THAT WE'VE BEEN RECOVERING IN REVENUE. OKAY, SO THAT IS WITH THE NEW DATA? CORRECT. OKAY. BECAUSE I, BECAUSE MY IMPRESSION IS WE PAUSED IT TO GET THE NEW DATA THEN TO DECIDE IF WE WERE GOING TO RAISE THAT OR NOT. YEAH. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION, UM, OH, THIS WAS JUST A MINOR ONE ON THE CHARGING FEES. I THOUGHT IT ODD THAT I THINK JUST FOR SIMPLICITY, 'CAUSE THE ONE WAS, IT WAS LIKE 10 CENTS. WE WERE CHARGING 10 CENTS AND THEN, OR NO, I'M SORRY. IT WAS LIKE 20 CENTS WE WERE CHARGING AND THEN IF THEY WERE LATE PICKING IT UP, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST CHARGE 'EM THE SAME AMOUNT, WHETHER THEY'RE FULL IN CHARGING OR NOT CHARGING. RIGHT. SO IF WE'RE CHARGING 'EM 20 CENTS, WE GIVE 'EM THAT THREE MINUTE GRACE PERIOD OR WHATEVER, BUT THEN WE JUST KEEP CHARGING THEM THAT SAME 20 CENTS. LIKE DON'T, I THINK THE INTENTION WAS TO MAKE IT MORE PAINFUL TO TIE UP A CHARGER WHEN YOU WEREN'T ACTUALLY TAKING A CHARGE. SO THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER IS IS, BUT WOULDN'T IT, SHOULDN'T IT JUST BE THE SAME NUMBER? NOT IF YOU REALLY WANT THEM TO MOVE THEIR CAR, WHICH WE REALLY DO BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS SO EXPENSIVE, BUT IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN WHAT WE WERE CHARGING 'EM, IT WENT FROM 20 TO 10. I'M SORRY. IF YOU CAN PUT THAT SLIDE BACK OR I CAN FIND IT ON MY NOTES. I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE IT SO THAT THERE IS A HIGH LEVEL OF MOTIVATION TO MOVE YOUR CAR AFTER CHARGE IS COMPLETE. EXACTLY. SO THE WAY IT IS IS WE'RE CHARGING THEM, IT LOOKS LIKE 20 CENTS PER KILOWATT WHILE THEY'RE CHARGING. AND THEN IF THEY'RE NOT CHARGING AND THEY JUST DIDN'T PICK UP THEIR CAR, WE'RE ONLY CHARGING THEM 10 ONCE PER KILOWATT HOUR. ONCE PER MINUTE. IS THAT, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO YEAH, THEY'RE DIFFERENT TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE, HOW MANY KILOWATTS PER HOUR CAN BE IN A MINUTE. OKAY. BE RECEIVED. THAT'S IN A MINUTE. IN A MINUTE PER MINUTE. OKAY. UM, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT JEANIE AND SHE DOESN'T KNOW AND, BUT WE HAVE A SECOND READING, SO MAYBE WE'LL KNOW. OKAY. OKAY. THAT EXPLAINS IT THEN. IT'S NOT PERMIT. IT'S OKAY. I WAS JUST LIKE, WHY DID THE PRICE GO DOWN? BUT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TOO, WITH THE, THE FAST CHARGING ONES, WE DID KEEP IT AT THE 40 CENTS PER MINUTE JUST DUE TO THE HIGHER TURNOVER ON THOSE AND THEY'RE MORE SOUGHT AFTER COMPARED TO THE, WELL, I, I, I GUESS I CAUGHT THAT IT WAS 40 AND 40 AND IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME THAT ONE WAS MINUTES AND OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS A PENALTY. YEAH. , THAT WAS ALL I HAD. HEY DOUG, CAN YOU PULL UP THE, UM, SLIDE ON THE, UM, CREDIT CARD FEES? UH, SO I THINK, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I, I THOUGHT AT FINANCE COMMITTEE WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THAT WE WOULD USE THE ACCELERATED APPROACH TO BEGIN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COMMUNITY EVENTS. THAT IS CORRECT. IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. YOU'RE CORRECT. YES. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CLARIFIED THAT SO THAT EVERYONE WAS AWARE OF THAT. [02:25:01] THANK YOU. OH, OF COURSE. STAFF WE'RE GONNA ATTEMPT TO, UH, JUST WORK ON, UH, BUILDING STANDARDS AND PLANNING P THEY USE THE SAME CREDIT CARD SERVICE PROVIDER ACELA. ONCE WE HAVE SUCCESS WITH THAT, WE PLAN ON ACCELERATING THE REST OF THEM WITH RECREATION SERVICES AND COMMUNITY EVENTS AT THE END. SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE TO GET ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS UP. OKAY. THANKS. UP AND RUNNING FIRST. WENDY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING, GREG? NO, ANDY. YEAH. THANK YOU DOUG. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I KNOW LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, UM, I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE COST REDUCTIONS THAT OCCURRED THIS YEAR TO ADJUST. SO WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASES. UM, I, I SAW A GENERAL THING. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SAY, OKAY, THE HERE IS A LIST OF THE COST REDUCTIONS WE FOUND, UM, IN KEY AREAS BECAUSE I THINK TAXPAYERS, I, I KNOW WE'RE DOING IT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ILLUSTRATE THAT. AND WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION LAST YEAR, WE SAID, OKAY, WE'LL WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR WHEN WE DO THE FULL STUDY, 'CAUSE WE'LL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME MORE. SO BY THE SECOND READING, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE DELINEATED PLEASE. BECAUSE THAT'S, IT SHOWS THAT WE'RE NOT JUST RAISING OUR COSTS, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT EFFICIENCIES AND I THINK JUST WE NEED A LITTLE MORE MEAT THAN THE GENERAL STATEMENTS THERE. AND I GET WHY AT THIS LEVEL IT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. BUT IF YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, VERY HELPFUL. YEP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEP. I JUST HAD ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION. DID, WAS THERE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, STAFF USAGE OF CHARGER OF VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS? THERE HAS BEEN, UH, ARE YOU REFERENCING AT CHARGING STATIONS ON CITY PROPERTY? YES. LIKE IN THE BACK OF THE SERVICE CENTER OR AT OR HERE? AT CITY HALL. AT CITY HALL. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S PROPOSED THAT STAFF WOULD ALSO BE CHARGED WITH THE PUBLIC FACING CITY OF DUBLIN OWNED EV CHARGERS. I I KNOW SOME ORGANIZATIONS SOME, SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT, UM, THAT IS, UH, AMENITY THEY PROVIDE TO SOME OF THEIR STAFF MEMBERS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST IMPLICATIONS OF THAT WOULD BE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING NICE TO OFFER, UH, EMPLOYEES BEING THAT THEY'RE HERE ALL DAY OR TO ADD A LITTLE MORE RIGHT NOW, IT WOULDN'T BE ANY COSTS. UM, IT WOULD JUST BE POTENTIALLY LESS REVENUE GENERATING BASED ON THAT AS WELL. BUT SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO JUST TO CONSIDERATION, NOT, NOT, NOT ANYTHING TO HOLD ALL OF THIS UP. THAT'S MORE OF A POLICY THAN, THAN WHAT THIS LEG, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATION WOULD LEAD TO. OKAY. UM, DID YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED FROM US? YES, I DID. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. WELL THEN WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO SECOND READING, PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2026. BRINGS [Ordinance 50-26 ] US TO ORDINANCE 50 DASH 26 AMENDING THE ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2026. HONOR TO SET. THANK YOU. AND WE WILL STICK WITH DOUG FOR THE PRESENTATION. WELCOME BACK. ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING MEMBERS COUNCIL. UH, TONIGHT WE'LL GO OVER THE Q3 SUPPLEMENTAL FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026. SO THIS ORDINANCE PROVIDES THE ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATIONS NEEDED TO KEEP SEVERAL OF THE BUDGET ACCOUNTS PROPERLY FUNDED THROUGH YEAR END, THE AMENDMENT SUPPORT, DEBT SERVICE, PUBLIC SAFETY, RECREATION PROGRAMMING IN THE CITY OPERATIONS, OTHER CITY OPERATIONS USING AVAILABLE FUND BALANCES. SECTION ONE APPROPRIATES 5.1 MILLION TO MAKE THE FINAL PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST PAYMENT ON THE CITY'S REMAINING CAPITAL FACILITIES. NOTE, THIS ELIMINATES THE OBLIGATION AND REDUCES FUTURE DEBT SERVICE COSTS. THE PAYMENT WILL BE FUNDED THROUGH, THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES WITHOUT AFFECTING ONGOING SERVICES, AND THE FUND BALANCE WILL REMAIN WITHIN THE CITY'S RESERVE POLICY. SECTION TWO APPROPRIATES 170,000 TO IMPLEMENT THE DEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM APPROVED BY COUNCIL THROUGH RESOLUTION 28 26. THE FUNDING INCLUDES USDA, CONTRACT PROCESSING FEES, COMPOSTING COSTS, AND POLICE STAFFING NEEDED TO CARRY OUT THE PROGRAM. SECTION THREE APPROPRIATES $50,000 FOR THE RECREATION FUND FOR PERSONAL TRAINING, PILATES, YOGA AND COACHING PROGRAMS. THESE PROGRAMS HAVE EXPERIENCED CONTINUED GROWTH AND THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES ARE EXPECTED TO BE FULLY OFFSET BY CORRESPONDING PROGRAM REVENUE. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 50 26 AT ITS SECOND READING ON SEPTEMBER 28TH. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION? HEARING NONE COUNCIL QUESTIONS. DISCUSSION. OH, IF YOU'D LIKE, UM, YOU NEED TO COME FORWARD AND YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. YOU'LL BE, UH, JENNY WILL START THE TIMER THERE FOR YOU. HI, I AM MONICA PREKI. UH, I LIVE AT 58 0 5 SACHAR WAY. THIS IS VERY [02:30:01] OVERWHELMING. I DID NOT EVEN, IT'S OKAY. INTEND TO SPEAK LIKE THIS. THIS IS, UH, DEEP BREATH. IT'S OKAY. I'M A PUBLIC SPEAKER FOR MY JOB, BUT SORRY, , I JUST WAS GONNA LISTEN TODAY, BUT, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE DEER? I LIVE IN DUBLIN, SORRY. YEAH, SURE. I THINK WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY DO IS, UM, SINCE THIS IS ABOUT THE BUDGET AND NOT ABOUT THE DEER ITSELF. YEAH. I WILL CONNECT YOU WITH MITCH RIGHT HERE. UM, HE WILL MEET YOU WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO GO. YEAH. HE WILL MEET YOU THERE AND HE WILL GIVE YOU ALL OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE DEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. THIS IS THE FUNDING PORTION OF THAT, RIGHT? IT DOES IT LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU DON'T CARE HOW IT HAPPENS. OH, WE CARE TREMENDOUSLY HOW IT HAPPENS. MITCH WILL GO OVER ALL OF THAT WITH YOU. WE'VE HAD COMMUNITY FORUMS AND, AND LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS, SO, OKAY. UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE ALL OF THAT WITH YOU. YEAH. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO COME HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING AND, AND RAISE YOUR QUESTIONS. I HAVE A SOLUTION. UM, SO THE MEANING THAT WE JUST CAME FROM WITH THE COYOTES LIVE BEHIND MY HOUSE DEAR MANAGEMENT. SO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I JUST THINK I, I I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THIS IS THE WRONG MEANING, BUT WHEN IS THE LINE OF PERCENTAGE OF NATURE AND PERCENTAGE OF PAVEMENT? WHAT, WHAT'S THE LINE? WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GONNA DO AS A COUNCIL? SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND REFER YOU TO MITCH, UM, AND HE WILL TAKE ALL OF YOUR INFORMATION AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. AND IN THE EVENT YOU DON'T FEEL THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE ANSWERED, YOU'RE ALWAYS FREE TO COME BACK HERE AT A, UM, ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. UM, COUNCIL QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? THERE WAS NONE. UM, SO WE WILL HAVE SECOND READING. PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER THE 28TH OF 2026. BRINGS US TO ORDINANCE [Ordinance 51-26 ] 51 DASH 26 WAIVING SECTION 91.08 OF DUBLIN'S CODIFIED ORDINANCES FOR THE LIMITED PURPOSE OF FACILITATING THE 2026 DEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. HONOR, DO SECOND. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, MITCH EMMETT IS OUR STAFF REPORT. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT ORDINANCE 51 26 THIS EVENING, ALONG WITH A BRIEF UPDATE ON PROGRESS TOWARD IMPLEMENTING THE 2026 DEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION 28 26 ON JUNE 8TH, WHICH AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE ANIMAL AND PLANT HEALTH INSPECTION SERVICES, WILDLIFE SERVICES FOR TARGETED DEER MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS. THAT AGREEMENT WAS EXECUTED ON JUNE 25TH. SINCE THAT TIME, STAFF HAS MAINTAINED REGULAR COORDINATION WITH EACH OF THE TEAMS RESPONSIBLE FOR ADMINISTERING THE PROGRAM. THOSE TEAMS INCLUDE CITY STAFF AND THE DUBLIN POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE LAW DEPARTMENT, USDA WILDLIFE SERVICES, AND OUR COMMUNICATIONS CONSULTANTS AT MURPHY EPSON. FOLLOWING EXECUTION OF THE AGREEMENT, THE TEAM CONCENTRATED ON THREE PRIMARY AREAS OF WORK. FIRST PREPARATION FOR THE PUBLIC EDUCATION SESSION, WHICH WAS HELD ON AUGUST 25TH. SECOND SITE EVALUATION ACTIVITIES CONTINUED THROUGH THE MONTH OF AUGUST UNDER GUIDANCE OF THE USDA AND THIRD CONTINUED DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS AT THE DUBLIN FOOD PANTRY REGARDING VENISON DONATION. TURNING NEXT TO SITE EVALUATION AND SELECTION, USDA WILDLIFE SERVICES HAS LED THIS SITE SELECTION PROCESS AND COORDINATION WITH CITY STAFF AND THE DUBLIN POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE PRIMARY CONSIDERATION IN USDA'S EVALUATION OF ANY LOCATION IS WHETHER THEIR WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT PROFESSIONALS CAN CONDUCT OPERATIONS SAFELY BEYOND THE REQUIREMENT THAT OPERATIONS CAN BE CONDUCTED SAFELY. SITE EVALUATION IN DUBLIN HAS BEEN INFORMED BY THE SUBSTANTIAL BODY OF QUANTITATIVE DATA THAT THE CITY HAS GATHERED SINCE 2023. THAT DATA INCLUDES REPORTED AGGRESSIVE DEER ENCOUNTERS, AS WELL AS A CITYWIDE THERMAL DRONE POPULATION INDEX SURVEY. THE RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY ALIGN CLOSELY WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S OWN DRONE COUNTS, AND TOGETHER THEY IDENTIFIED THE AREAS OF HIGHEST POPULATION DENSITY MAPPING. THIS INFORMATION ALLOWED THE TEAM TO IDENTIFY AREAS WITH LIMITED PUBLIC LAND AND SIGNIFICANT DEER POPULATIONS, OR WITH A CONCENTRATION OF AGGRESSIVE ENCOUNTERS. THOSE AREAS ARE LOCATED PRIMARILY NORTH OF BRAND ROAD, WEST OF DUBLIN ROAD, AND EAST OF AVERY ROAD. ACCORDINGLY, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE PROVIDES THE FLEXIBILITY NECESSARY FOR THE USDA WILDLIFE SERVICES TO CONDUCT SAFE AND EFFECTIVE DEER MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS ON SUITABLE PRIVATE PROPERTY IN EACH CASE, ONLY WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER, OOH, APOLOGIES ONLY WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS GRANTED AUTHORIZATION TO DO SO. IN TOTAL, THE PROGRAM ENCOMPASSES 21 PROPERTIES MADE UP OF NINE OPEN SPACE AND RESERVE AREAS, NINE CITY PARKS, AND THREE NON-RESIDENTIAL PRIVATE PROPERTIES. THE OPEN SPACE AND RESERVE AREAS INCLUDE TARTAN WEST OPEN SPACE, AC AND D DUBLIN SHIRE, OPEN SPACE F SCOTTISH [02:35:01] CORNERS, WOODS OPEN SPACE RIVIERA RESERVE, D ONE, D TWO, AND J TWO. BRANDON OPEN SPACE A AND B HUTCHINS OPEN SPACE. THE WOODS OF INDIAN RUN, THE DUBLIN SHIRE GREENWAY AND ML RED TRABU NATURE RESERVE. THE PARK PROPERTIES ARE SHANNON GLENN, AVERY, INDIAN RUN MEADOWS, ARLINGTON, BRANDON WELLINGTON, COVENTRY WOODS, THADDEUS COSCO, AND SCIOTO PARK. THE THREE NON-RESIDENTIAL PRIVATE PROPERTIES ARE ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE MURFIELD VILLAGE GOLF CLUB BEING THE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY, THE CROSSGATE PARKING LOT PROPERTY, AND THE DUBLIN ROAD PARKING LOT PROPERTY. MOVING THROUGH TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, WHICH IS TAILORED TO THE 2026 DEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, ORDINANCE 51 26 PROVIDES A LIMITED WAIVER OF SECTION 91 0 8 OF THE CITY'S CODIFIED ORDINANCES SOLELY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE 2026 DEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. THE WAIVER IS INTENDED TO ESTABLISH CLEAR LEGAL AUTHORITY FOR OPERATIONS IN TWO CATEGORIES OF LOCATION. FIRST, CERTAIN CITY OWNED PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT TECHNICALLY CLASSIFIED AS PARKS AND SECOND QUALIFYING NON-RESIDENTIAL PRIVATE PROPERTY. THE LANGUAGE FOUND IN THE ORDINANCE IS INTENDED TO UNDERSCORE THE NARROWLY DEFINED SCOPE OF THE WAIVER. RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE EXPRESSLY EXCLUDED. THIS ORDINANCE APPLIES EXCLUSIVELY TO TRAINED AND LICENSED WILDLIFE. USDA WILDLIFE SERVICE PROFESSIONALS NOTED AS WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT EXPERTS WHO HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY MANAGER. IT IS LIMITED TO THE OPERATIONAL PERIOD OF NOVEMBER 1ST, 2026 THROUGH MARCH 31ST, 2027. OUTSIDE OF THOSE EXPRESS TERMS, THE CITY'S ENFORCEABLE YEAR-ROUND PROHIBITION ON HUNTING REMAINS FULLY IN EFFECT FOR ALL OTHER INDIVIDUALS AND AT ALL OTHER TIMES CONSISTENT WITH COUNCIL'S FOCUS ON TRANSPARENCY, EDUCATION, AND A STRONG ETHICAL FOUNDATION. THE CITY HAS CONTINUED TO IMPLEMENT THE COMPREHENSIVE PUBLIC INFORMATION AND EDUCATION STRATEGY INTRODUCED IN JUNE. A PUBLIC EDUCATION SESSION WAS HELD ON AUGUST 25TH, AT WHICH RESIDENTS RECEIVED DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE DEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO A PANEL OF EXPERTS MORE THAN 80 RESIDENTS ATTENDED AND PARTICIPATED. A SECOND PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION IS SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 8TH FROM SIX TO 7:30 PM IN THESE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED. EXACT OPERATIONAL DATES AND TIMES WILL NOT BE RELEASED PUBLICLY. NOTICE TO THE COMMUNITY WILL BE PROVIDED THROUGH A CITYWIDE MAILER, THE CITY WEBSITE AND SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS AND OUTREACH THROUGH HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS WITH SIGNAGE POSTED AT THE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS IN ADVANCE OF OPERATIONS. SAFETY PROTOCOLS ALSO PROVIDE THAT REMOVAL ACTIVITIES WILL OCCUR AFTER DARK, AND THAT THE DUBLIN POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL VERIFY THAT ALL OPERATIONAL AREAS ARE CLOSED AND CLEAR OF VISITORS BEFORE OPERATIONS BEGIN. AND THEY'LL MAINTAIN COMMUNICATION DIRECTLY WITH USDA THROUGHOUT WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 51 26 AT THE SECOND READ PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 28TH TO ALLOW USDA TO CONDUCT OPERATIONS AT APPROPRIATE CITY OWNED NON-PAR PROPERTIES AND WHERE NECESSARY QUALIFYING NON-RESIDENTIAL PRIVATE PROPERTIES SUBJECT TO THE CITED SAFEGUARDS. THANK YOU. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. MITCH, WANNA TAKE A MOMENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION? HEARING NONE COUNSEL QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION? OKAY. WELL, WE WILL, UM, WE WILL HAVE SECOND READING, PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER THE 28TH. AND, UH, DID WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE, YOU SAID THERE ARE TWO REMAINING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES. THERE'S ONE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 8TH. OKAY. YES, OCTOBER THE EIGHTH. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, THIS BRINGS US TO [Resolution 34-26 ] THE IN INTRODUCTION, PUBLIC HEARING VOTE RESOLUTIONS. AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH RESOLUTION 34 DASH 26, ACCEPTING THE LOWEST AND BEST BID FOR THE WATER TANK IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. I'LL INTRODUCE IT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. OUR STAFF REPORT WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD THIS EVENING BY MICHAEL HENDERSHOT. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING AS THE RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT THE LOWEST AND BEST BID FOR THE WATER TANK IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. THE WATER TANK IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT CONSISTS OF REPAIRS TO THE DARI FIELDS'S WATER TANK WASH, DRAIN, AND DISCHARGE PIPE MODIFICATIONS TO THE TARTAN WEST AND DUBLIN ROAD WATER TANK, INTERIOR HATCH, AND OTHER MISCELLANEOUS IMPROVEMENTS DETERMINED BY THE CITY OF DUBLIN AND CITY OF COLUMBUS. RELIABILITY OF THE WATER STORAGE AND DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM IS A KEY COMPONENT OF WEST OF CUSTOMER WELFARE AND SATISFACTION. THIS PROJECT IS FUNDED FROM THE 2026 TO 2030 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM IN THE AMOUNT OF $110,000 FOR THE WATER TANK IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE FOR THE [02:40:01] PROJECT IS $109,800. STAFF CONDUCTED A COMPETITIVE BID PROCESS FOR THE PROJECT ON AUGUST 26TH, 2026. TWO BIDS WERE RECEIVED AND PUBLICLY OPENED. MIDWEST TANK MANAGEMENT SUBMITTED THE LOWEST AND BEST BID OF $114,200. THE PROJECT IS EXPECTED TO COMMENCE UPON THIS BID ACCEPTANCE AND SUBSEQUENT CONTRACT EXECUTION AND SHALL BE COMPLETED BY DECEMBER OF 2026. STAFF RECOMMENDS COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THIS RESOLUTION, ACCEPTING AS LOWEST AND BEST THE BID OF MIDWEST TANK MANAGEMENT AND THE AMOUNT OF $114,200 FOR THIS PROJECT. AND I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THIS RESOLUTION. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. I WANNA TAKE A MOMENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION? HEARING NONE COUNCIL QUESTIONS DISCUSSION. JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE DR. LAM? YES. MS. SALUTO? YES. MS. CRAM? YES. MS. JOHNSON? YES. VICE MAYOR DEROSA? YES. MAYOR AROSE GROOMS? YES. MR. KEELER? YES. OKAY. THIS BRINGS US [Resolution 35-26 ] TO RESOLUTION 35 DASH 26, DECLARING CERTAIN CITY OWNED PROPERTY AS SURPLUS AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO DISPOSE OF SUD PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 37.07 OF THE CO DUBLIN CODIFIED ORDINANCES. I DO. THANK YOU. OUR STAFF REPORT WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD THIS EVENING BY MIKE BARKER. WELCOME. UH, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNSEL. UM, SO RESOLUTION 35 DASH 26 REQUESTS AUTHORIZATION TO DECLARE THE VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT IDENTIFIED IN EXHIBIT A AS SURPLUS AND TO DISPOSE OF THOSE ASSETS AS A NORMAL PART OF OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT PROCESS. STAFF EVALUATES VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT USING OUR FASTER SOFTWARE PROGRAM. UH, FASTER PROVIDES AN OBJECTIVE SCORING PROCESS AND CONSIDERS FACTORS SUCH AS AGE, MILEAGE, OPERATING HOURS, UM, CONDITION MAINTENANCE, REPAIR HISTORY, AND JUST OVERALL RELIABILITY. IT'S BEEN A REALLY FUNCTIONAL TOOL FOR OUR TEAM. BASED ON THAT EVALUATION, STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT INCLUDED IN EXHIBIT A ARE APPROPRIATE FOR REPLACEMENT AND DISPOSAL ONCE DECLARED SURPLUS. THE CITY TYPICALLY SELLS THESE ASSETS THROUGH GOV DEALS, UH, WHICH PROVIDES A COMPETITIVE PUBLIC AUCTION PROCESS. THIS RESOLUTION ALSO PROVIDES US THE FLEXIBILITY, UH, TO USE AN ASSET AS A POTENTIAL TRADE-IN, UH, AT SUCH TIME WHEN STAFF DETERMINES THAT DOING SO PROVIDES GREATER VALUE TO THE CITY. SO AT THIS TIME, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS RESOLUTION AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, JOHN HYATT, OUR OUR FLEET MANAGER IS ALSO HERE TOO FOR ANY MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. UH, IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT LIKE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION? HEARING NONE. COUNCIL QUESTIONS DISCUSSION? JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. JOHNSON? YES. MS. CRAM? YES. MS. SOLUDO? YES. MR. KEELER? YES. DR. LAMB? YES. VICE MAYOR DEROSA? YES. MAYOR AROSE GROUPS? YES. RESOLUTION 36 [Resolution 36-26 ] DASH 26 ACCEPTING THE LOWEST AND BEST BID FOR THE HIGHLAND GLEN PARK CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. THANK YOU. OUR STAFF REPORT WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD THIS EVENING BY MATT EARMAN. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. UM, ON MONDAY, AUGUST 10TH, THREE BIDS WERE OPEN FOR THE HIGHLAND GLEN PARK CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. UH, THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THIS PARK PROJECT IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE INTERCHANGE OF 33 AND 1 61 ADJACENT TO THE HIGHLAND GLEN, UH, SUBDIVISION. THE PROJECT INCLUDES THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ASPHALT SHARED JUICE PATH, CONCRETE WALKS, PAVERS, STACKED AND MORTAR STONE WALLS, LANDSCAPE BEDS, AND TREE PLANTINGS. PRIOR TO THE BIDDING, THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS, THE CITY COMPLETED THE RESTORATION AND PRESERVATION, UH, WORK ON THE HISTORIC BARN AND GRAINERY THAT IS ON SITE. UH, THIS WORK WAS COMPLETED AS AN EARLY PHASE OF THE OVERALL PROJECT TO PRESERVE THE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURES AND ENHANCED THE APPEARANCE AS THE PROMINENT FEATURES WITHIN THE PARK. THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE SEPARATE FROM AND NOT INCLUDED IN THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT BEING CONSIDERED UNDER RESOLUTION 36 26. BUT JUST AS A REFERENCE, UH, STAFF REVIEWED THE BIDS, UH, RECEIVED AND DETERMINED THAT THE LOWEST AND BEST BID WAS SUBMITTED BY BUILDER SCAPE INCORPORATED IN THE AMOUNT OF $598,813, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 32% BELOW THE ENGINEER'S [02:45:01] ESTIMATE OF $884,515 AND 80 CENTS. 88 CENTS FOR THE PROJECT BUILDER SCAPE INCORPORATED HAS SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED MULTIPLE PROJECTS FOR THE CITY AND HAS DEMONSTRATED THE EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE NECESSARY TO PERFORM THIS WORK. UH, THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION 36 26, UH, ACCEPTING THE LOWEST BEDS, UH, BIDS SUBMITTED BY BUILDER SCAPE IN THE AMOUNT OF $598,813, AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO CONTRACT FOR THE PROJECT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. YOU WANNA TAKE A MOMENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION? HEARING NONE COUNCIL QUESTIONS. DISCUSSION. UM, THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK. I, THE, I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ANXIOUS TO SEE THIS COME INTO FRUITION, SO THAT'D BE GREAT. I HAD TWO, I HAD A QUESTION IN A COMMENT. SO, MATT, ON THE DETAIL SLIDE OF LIKE THE, UM, UH, THERE WAS A SEAT WALL. IS THAT THE ONLY, I GUESS, SEATING, BENCHES, ET CETERA, THAT'S PLANNED. I SEE A STONE SEAT WALL ON HERE. IS THAT THE EXTENT? THERE ARE MULTIPLE STONE WALLS THROUGHOUT THE PARK. UH, THE SEAT WALL IS THERE TOWARDS JUST TO THE, UH, SOUTHERN END OF THE WALKWAY. UHHUH . UM, SO THAT IS THE PRIMARY SEATING WALL THAT'S REFERRED TO IN, IN THE DESCRIPTION? WELL, BUT THERE'LL BE OTHER BENCHES AND THINGS AROUND THE BARN OR ANY ABSOLUTELY. THERE WILL BE. OKAY. IT NOT, THERE WILL BE OTHER BENCHES AND SO FORTH, THIS PERMANENT THERE BE SOMETHING STONE. YEP. OKAY. VERY, VERY GOOD. AND THE GATEWAY SIGNAGE, WHAT IS PLANNED FROM A SIGNAGE PERSPECTIVE AS FAR AS THE BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT? UM, INCORPORATING THE GATEWAY SIGNAGE IS CERTAINLY POSSIBLE. UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC, UH, CABINETS AS WELL, UH, WITHIN THE EXISTING BUDGET. SO ALL OF THAT IS EXPECTED TO TRANSPIRE. OKAY. SO THE, I'M I'M GUESSING THE SIGNAGE WE, UH, WILL BE HISTORIC IN NATURE. I MEAN, CAN YOU DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT OR, SO THIS IS INTENDED TO SHOW THE LOCATION OF THE FUTURE GATEWAY SIGNAGE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GATEWAY SIGNAGE THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT IS BEING PROGRAMMED IN THE CIP MOVING FORWARD FOR NEXT YEAR. MAYBE PERHAPS WE ALSO HAVE SOME SPACE BETWEEN WHAT CAME IN AS THE BID AND THE BUDGET. SO WE ARE CONSIDERING THE POTENTIAL OF ADDING THAT TO THIS PROJECT ONCE IT'S GOING, DEPENDING ON HOW THE, THE ACTUAL COSTS TRANSPIRE. GREAT. AND BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A COUPLE YEARS, PERHAPS WE CAN BRING THAT BACK SO THAT WE CAN SEE THAT THE SIGNAGE. UM, SO THANK YOU. NOW MY OTHER COMMENT, UM, IS SEVERAL, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME CONCERNING, I'M GONNA CALL IT, UH, CRITTERS THAT COME IN AND OUT OF THAT BARN. UM, AND JUST AGAIN, YESTERDAY RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW FROM AROUND THE FOUNDATIONS, I KNOW THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS BID WORK PER SE, BUT I, I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WE NEED TO THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME COVERAGE THERE BECAUSE I CONTINUE TO HEAR ABOUT, 'CAUSE THAT WORK IS NOW DONE, RIGHT? THE BARNS ARE DONE, EVERYTHING IS FINISHED THERE. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. WE WILL WORK WITH OUR, UH, WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT AND JUST TO SEE WHAT YEAH, BECAUSE I CONTINUE TO DO THAT, ADDRESS THAT FOR SURE. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ACTUALLY HAVE ONE COMMENT SINCE WHAT YOU SAID. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE SIGN IT, IT'S NOT, WILL IT HAVE JUST THE REGULAR PARK SIGN THAT ALL OF OUR PARKS HAVE LIKE THE WOODEN SIGN THAT THE GREEN, LIKE IT SAYS THADDEUS ZU PARK, LIKE THE GREEN SIGN WITH THE WHITE BOARD OR THE WOOD SIGN? IT WON'T BE THE TYPICAL PARK SIGN. IT WILL BE ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE GATEWAY SIGNAGE THAT HAS BEEN UNDER REVIEW FOR QUITE A WHILE, WHICH WE WILL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UM, BUT I THOUGHT THE GATEWAY SIGNAGE WAS LIKE OUR WELCOME TO DUBLIN SIGNAGE. LIKE THIS WON'T HAVE A PARK SIGN THAT LIKE MOST, A LOT OF OUR PARKS, LIKE IF YOU GO TO FAIRISH, RIGHT? OR THAD IS THAT HAS THE NAME OF THE PARK AND AN ADDRESS. LIKE WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF SIGN AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARK. SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE SIGN. OH, THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARK ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE. WE WILL HAVE A PARK ENTRANCE SIGN. YES. OKAY. IT JUST WASN'T ON THE, THIS IS, IT WAS NOT PART OF THE GATEWAY IS YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 'CAUSE THE PLAN DIDN'T SHOW. I WAS THINKING THAT THAT SIGN WAS THE PARK SIGN. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MS. A LUDO? YES. DR. LAMB? YES. MAYOR AROSE ROOMS? YES. MS. JOHNSON? YES. MS. CRAM? YES. VICE MAYOR DEROSA? YES. MR. KEELER? YES. OKAY. [02:50:01] RESOLUTION 37 [Resolution 37-26 ] DASH 26 ACCEPTING THE LOWEST AND BEST BID FOR THE RIVERSIDE CROSSING PARK SAFETY AND STREET SCAPE IMPROVEMENTS. I'LL DO SO. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL STICK WITH MATT FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU AGAIN. UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ON MONDAY, AUGUST 31ST ONE BID WAS OPEN FOR THE RIVERSIDE CROSSING PARK SAFETY AND STREET SCAPE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, UH, THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS. THE PROJECT FOCUSES ON CONSTRUCTING A LANDSCAPE STREETS, UH, LANDSCAPED, STREET SCAPE AND GUARDRAIL TO CREATE A SAFETY PERIMETER ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE PARK. YOU WILL RECALL FROM PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL INCLUDE A NEW BRICK SIDEWALK, UM, ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE EXISTING WALKWAY, SEPARATED FROM THE STREET BY LANDSCAPE BEDS AND LARGE STONE SLABS THAT PROVIDE NATURAL SEATING FOR BOTH PARK USERS, PEDESTRIANS, AND ALSO PROVIDING THE SAFETY ASPECTS THAT WE ARE INTENDING FOR THIS PARK. THE, UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, THE EXTENDING OF THE STEEL BACKED, UH, WOOD GUARDRAIL, UH, ALONG THE NORTH END WILL EXTEND ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ONE 60, OR I'M SORRY, THE 200 OR TWO 70 BRIDGE, UH, PROTECTING PARK USERS AND UTILITY EQUIPMENT WHILE MAINTAINING THE PARK'S OVERALL CHARACTER. FOLLOWING A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE BIDS RECEIVED, STAFF DETERMINED THAT BUILDER SCAPE INCORPORATED ITS BID IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,155,234 AND 5 CENTS IS THE LOWEST AND BEST BID, AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 4.4% UNDER THE PROJECTED COST ESTIMATE. UH, STAFF HAS THOROUGHLY REVIEWED THE BID SUBMITTED BY BUILDER SCAPE AND DETERMINED THAT IT RE REPRESENTS THE LOWEST AND BEST BID FOR THE PROJECT. STAFF ALSO CONTACTED OTHER POTENTIAL BIDDERS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DID NOT SUBMIT A BID. UH, BASED ON THOSE DISCUSSIONS, STAFF DETERMINED THAT OTHER POTENTIAL BIDDERS DID NOT HAVE THE AVAILABLE CAPACITY TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT, GIVEN THE TIMEFRAME OF TRYING TO GET AT LEAST THE SAFETY ASPECT OF THE PARK, UM, IN PLACE FOR THE CHRIS KENDALL MARK IN, IN IN NOVEMBER. SO WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 37 26, ACCEPTING THE LOWEST AND BEST BID FOR RIVERSIDE CROSSING PARK SAFETY AND STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER A CONTRACT WITH BUILDER SCAPE FOR THAT PROJECT. I HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE, PRESIDENT FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION? IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD. MARIA ROSENFELD 7 7 0 1, UM, LOGAN DRIVE, YORKTOWN, INDIANA. AND, UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, I AM RUNNING THE CHRIS KENDALL MART DUBLIN AND JUST HAD ONE POINT OF RECOMMENDATION IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO INCLUDE AT THIS POINT. I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT TODAY. SOMEHOW I MISSED THE MEMO ON IT, SO MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT GETTING THIS IN SOONER. BUT, UM, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT GUESTS HAVING TO WALK SO FAR DOWN TO BE ABLE TO ENTER INTO THE PARK AND ENTER INTO THE MARKET. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO POTENTIALLY INCORPORATE A FEW MORE PLACES WHERE STEPS COULD LEAD DOWN FROM THE SIDEWALK INTO THE PARK, UM, FOR GUESTS TO GET INTO THE GREEN SPACE AND WHERE WE PLAN TO DECK OUT THE AREA WHERE THE MARKET HUTS WILL BE. UM, IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE AT THIS POINT, BUT IF IT IS, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING MOST APPRECIATED. IF I MAY, MAYORS OF COU UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, THAT THOUGHT, MARIA? UM, I THINK WE ARE AT A PHASE IN THE DESIGN FOR THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARK TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE CHRIS KENDALL MARKET NEEDS WILL BE. AND WITH THAT, EXPERIENCING THAT THIS YEAR WILL GIVE US A LOT OF INFORMATION ON MAKING ENHANCEMENTS SUCH AS THAT. I'M THINK, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT TO LEARN BEFORE WE START INVESTING IN A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. LET'S LEARN WHAT WE NEED, WHAT WE DON'T KNOW, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG THOSE LINES. THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT ON THAT. BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD PRECLUDE SOMEONE FROM WALKING ACROSS THE GRASS TO NOT AT ALL ACCESS THIS. SO THERE'S NO WALL OR, UM, THE BENCHES AND, AND ROCKS AREN'T CONTIGUOUS. THERE'S BREAKS IN THEM AT VARIOUS POINTS WHERE PEOPLE COULD MEANDER DOWN THE GRASS AND, UM, ENTER INTO THE CHRIS KENDALL MART. AGAIN, BEING VERY LATE TO THE GAME ON THIS, I DON'T, DON'T KNOW THE FULL PLAN. ONE PICTURE THAT I DID SEE, UM, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS IN THAT IN THE CORNER WHERE THE DECKING WILL BE, UH, KIND OF A, A BLOCKAGE, BUT I, I COULD BE WRONG. UM, MY CONCERN IS ALSO THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE THE TEMPORARY RESTROOMS RIGHT WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE HAPPENING THERE. UM, AND HAVING A DEDICATED [02:55:01] WALKWAY IN THAT SPACE THIS WINTER COULD BE VERY PREVENTATIVE OF A LOT OF MUD JUST FROM PEOPLE GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ONE CORNER FOR RESTROOMS. IF THERE WAS A WAY TO JUST INCORPORATE A COUPLE STONE STEPS, I THINK IT COULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR THE GUESTS THIS WINTER. OKAY. WELL, WE'LL, UM, WORK THOSE DETAILS OUT. I'M SURE IN THE INTERIM WE COULD PROVIDE SOME WOOD CHIPS OR SOME OTHER THINGS, UM, THAT WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE WALKING IN THE MUD AND, AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT, IT KIND OF REMINDS ME OF MY OLD DAYS ON THE OVAL WHEN THEY STARTED ADDING NEW SIDEWALKS. YOU KNOW, THEY BASICALLY PUT THE SIDEWALKS IN WHERE THE WEAR PATHS WERE FROM FOOT TRAFFIC. SO TO MATT'S POINT, I THINK WE WILL LEARN A WHOLE LOT OF KIND OF TRAFFIC FLOW, BUT, UM, YOU HAVE OUR, OUR ASSURANCE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WALK THROUGH MUD. SO WE, WE WILL, UM, DO TAKE THE APPROPRIATE STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE FOR THE PEDESTRIAN. WE WILL REACH OUT TOMORROW AND GET A MEETING SCHEDULED TO REVIEW THESE IMPROVEMENTS. THEY'RE IN NO WAY INTENDED TO IMPEDE PEDESTRIAN TRAVEL. THEY'RE INTENDED TO IMPEDE VEHICULAR TRAVEL INTO THE PARK. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THOSE DETAILS. WONDERFUL. AND MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING AS WELL TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS TO GET THE CHRIS KENMAR GOING, THE ICE RINK, THIS CONSTRUCTION, NOT ALL OF IT'S GOING TO BE PERFECT, BUT WE'RE GONNA WORK TOGETHER. WE WILL WORK WITH EACH OF THE RESPECTIVE ORGANIZATIONS AND TEAMS, AND WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN TO MITIGATE WHATEVER ISSUES WE WE COME UP WITH. GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION? HEARING NONE COUNCIL QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION. OKAY. JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. KEELER? YES, MAYOR AM. ROSE GREEN? YES. MS. CRAM? YES. VICE MAYOR OSA? YES. MS. A LUDO? YES. DR. LAMB? YES. MS. JOHNSON? YES. OKAY. [Resolution 38-26 ] RESOLUTION 38 DASH 26 ACCEPTING THE LOWEST AND BEST BID FOR THE RIVERSIDE CROSSING PARK ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT. I, I'LL INTRODUCE IT. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL STICK WITH MATT FOR THE STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU AGAIN. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ON MONDAY, AUGUST 31ST, THREE BIDS WERE OPEN FOR THE RIVERSIDE CROSSING PARK ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT, AND THIS IS TO SUPPORT THE CHRIS KENDALL MARKET, UM, AND ALL OF THE OTHER EVENTS THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING FOR, UM, FOR THE PARK. THE GENERAL MAP HERE IDENTIFIES THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT SITE, WHICH INCLUDES THE CONSTRUCTION OF UNDERGROUND ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO PROVIDE POWER, UH, FOR THE EVENTS, UH, COMING FORWARD. BASED ON INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE CHRIS KENMAR VENDOR AND THE LAYOUT OF THE, UM, OF THE SITE, UH, THE, THIS INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGE WILL PROVIDE THE NECESSARY P UH, POWER FOR THE VENDOR THIS YEAR, AS WELL AS SUPPORT ELECTRICAL NEEDS FOR THOSE OTHER EVENTS. AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER LEARNING EXPERIENCE AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF EXPANSION AND POTENTIAL, UM, OTHER DESIGN EFFORTS, BUT THIS WILL GET US THROUGH FOR THIS YEAR AS THE WAY WE UNDERSTAND IT. STAFF RECEIVED THE BIDS, UM, UH, AND DETER, UH, THREE BIDS AND DETERMINED THAT THE LOWEST AND BEST BID WAS SUBMITTED BY ATLAS INDUSTRIAL CONTRACTORS IN THE AMOUNT OF $286,536 AND 40 CENTS. THIS BID IS APPROXIMATELY 32.7% BELOW THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, UH, FOR THE PROJECT. AND, UH, WITH THAT STAFF HAS THOROUGHLY, UM, REVIEWED THE BID SUBMITTED BY ATLAS CONTRACTOR, UM, AND DETERMINED IT TO BE THE LOWEST INVEST BID FOR THIS PROJECT. AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 38 26, ACCEPTING THAT LOWEST INVEST BID AND ALLOW, UH, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO CONTRACT WITH ATLAS INDUSTRIAL CONTRACTORS FOR THE PROJECT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION? HEARING NONE COUNCIL QUESTIONS. DISCUSSION. THANK YOU, MATT. UM, JUST GIVEN YOUR LAST COMMENT ABOUT ALL THE MOVING PIECES IN ATTEMPTING TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING COMES TOGETHER, ARE WE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO CONCERNS WITH THE RESPONSIVENESS OF THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR THAT'S BEEN SELECTED? WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT AND THE NEEDS FOR THIS PROJECT EXTENSIVELY WITH ATLAS, AND THEY ARE, UM, THEY ARE VERY CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN MAKE THIS WORK FOR THIS, UH, PARTICULAR YEAR. WE MAY HAVE TO DO SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS AS TO HOW WE ACTUALLY MAKE THAT HAPPEN, UM, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, EXISTING PANELS THAT MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE. WE CAN, WE CAN COME UP WITH DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO FOR THE IRISH FESTIVAL. HOWEVER, WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE THE ELECTRICAL LOADS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THIS TO, TO HAPPEN. OKAY. I GUESS [03:00:01] WHEN, WHEN I SEE RESPONSIVE, NO, WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN? UM, I, I CAN REFER TO LEGAL ON THIS. WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE CONTENT OF BIDS. UM, THE CONTENTS OF THAT WE RECEIVED WERE NON UNNECESSARILY MATERIALISTIC TOWARDS THE SCOPE OR THE PRICE TAG OF, OF THE ACTUAL BID ITSELF. AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE, UH, NONRESPONSIVE, UM, EMISSIONS FROM THAT BID WERE, WERE LOOKED AT AS, UM, UM, THE POTENTIAL FOR BEING WAIVED IN THIS SITUATION. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, MATT, UM, WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT PUTTING THE, UM, SIGNAGE UP FOR NOTIFICATION OF EVENTS, ET CETERA, IS THIS ELECTRICAL INFRA INFRASTRUCTURE WORK GOING TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE THAT? I KNOW WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH ALONG THAT. WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE LOCATION FOR THAT SIGN. UM, BUT THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE AS SOON AS WE DETERMINE THAT LOCATION FOR SURE. OKAY. THANKS. MATT. OTHERS? JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MS. CRAM? YES. VICE MAYOR DEROSA? YES. MR. KEELER. DR. LAMB? YES. DR. LAMB? YES. MS. SALUTO? YES. MS. JOHNSON? YES. MAYOR AROSE GROOMS? YES. OKAY. THIS [OTHER BUSINESS ] BRINGS US TO THE OTHER BUSINESS PORTION OF OUR AGENDA AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH A COMMUNITY REC CENTER REFRESH UPDATE FOR PHASE THREE, AND OUR STAFF REPORT WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD BY MATT ERMAN AND HE WILL BE JOINED WITH BY KEITH HALL FROM MSA. WELCOME. THANK YOU AGAIN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. AS AN UPDATE FOR THE AUGUST 24TH COUNCIL MEETING, STAFF AND MSA DESIGN HAVE CONTINUED PLANNING FOR THE THIRD PHASE OF THE DUBLIN COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER REFRESH PROJECT. FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S ACCEPTANCE OF THE LOWEST AND BEST BID FOR PHASE TWO CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES FOR THAT PHASE ARE NOW BEING INITIATED. UM, AND AT THIS TIME, STAFF HAS CONTINUED TO ADVANCE THE THIRD PHASE PLANNING TO MAINTAIN PROJECT MOMENTUM AND SUPPORT THE GOAL OF BEGINNING PHASE THREE CONSTRUCTION IN SPRING OF, UM, AND SUMMER OF 2027. SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO KEITH HALL FROM MSA. AND I KNOW MARIA CARPENTER'S HERE AS WELL, UH, FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND OR COMMENTS. SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO KEITH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID FOR THE LAST PROJECT WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU WITH, WITH, UH, UM, WHAT WE CALL THE TRIPLE T, THE TALLIS AND EVERYTHING. IT'S GONNA BE A SIMILAR PROCESS AS WE WALK THROUGH THIS. AS MATT INDICATED, THIS IS OUR NEXT PROJECT COMING UP, UM, TO EXECUTE IN THE SPRING OF NEXT YEAR AND PROBABLY THROUGH THE SUMMER NEXT YEAR. SO, GETTING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THE REASON THIS WORK, UM, SORT OF ROSE TO THE TOP IS, UM, THE COMMUNITY WAS VERY VOCAL WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS ABOUT THE LOCKER ROOMS AND THE AQUATIC FACILITIES. UM, THERE WERE EVEN COMMENTS ABOUT EXPANDING THE AQUATIC FACILITIES AND EVERYTHING THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULDN'T DO. BUT, SO WE WERE REALLY FOCUSING ON AQUATICS FACILITIES. AND WHAT IT REALLY, UM, CAME DOWN TO WAS THE LOCKER ROOMS AND THE LOCKER ROOM FINISHES, THE LOCKER ROOM CONDITIONS, UM, AND THEN EXPANDING THE, UM, THE, UH, FAMILY LOCKER ROOMS. UH, WE SEE THIS ALL THE TIME IS THERE IS A VERY MUCH A TREND IN RECREATION CENTERS FOR ADDITIONAL FAMILY, UM, UH, RESTROOMS WHERE, UM, MOM AND DAD, THE ENTIRE FAMILY CAN GO IN WITH A STROLLER AND ATTEND TO THE CHILDREN AND GET READY TO GO ENJOY THE FACILITY. SO THOSE WERE TWO OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE SAW FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THIS. AND THEN AS WELL AS COUNSEL, UM, YOU ALL AT THAT TIME RECOGNIZED THAT THE LOCKER ROOMS WERE IN NEED OF SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES. UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE DURABILITY, EASY TO MAINTAIN, HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS SHOULD BE USED. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT CONTINUES TO RISE TO THE TOP, NOT ONLY WITH COUNCIL, BUT STAFF, I WOULD SAY, UM, AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME RESEARCHING THIS WAS THE AQUATIC FLOORING. SO THAT'S THE DECK MATERIAL. UM, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE LIKE A RUBBERIZED MATERIAL. IT'S, IT LOOKS BAD AT THE MOMENT. SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THAT THROUGH THIS PROJECT TOO. UH, JUST TO RECAP WHERE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, PHASE ONE, UH, WITH THE, UH, UH, THE, THE HUB IN THE SENIOR CENTER WHERE THE LOUNGE AS WE CALL IT NOW. UM, AND THEN AS WE GET INTO THE, UH, THE PHASE TWO THAT WE'RE GONNA BE STARTING WORK ON, UM, HERE IN THE COMING WEEKS, YOU'RE GONNA START SEEING SOME CONSTRUCTION ON WHAT WE JUST BROUGHT TO YOU GUYS, I THINK ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO OR THREE WEEKS AGO, UH, WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS TO, UH, THE ABBEY THEATER, THE TALLIS, AS WELL AS THE RESTROOMS THAT ARE OFF THE [03:05:01] MAIN CORRIDOR THERE. AND THEN WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS LABELED AS PHASE THREE. SO IT'S A RENOVATION OF THE AQUATICS, SO THE POOL AREAS AS WELL AS THE LOCKER ROOM THAT IS DIRECTLY SERVING THE POOL AREAS, BUT PROVIDE THE LOCKER ROOM SPACE FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER. SO IN TERMS OF THE AQUATICS, RENOVATION, THE, UM, THE POOLS, VESSELS THEMSELVES, THIS AREA PRETTY MUCH EXIST AS IT DID BACK IN 1996 WHEN THE RECREATION CENTER OPENED. SO IT'S A APPRO, IT'S APPROACHING 30 YEARS OLD. UM, STAFF HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF MAINTAINING THE EQUIPMENT THAT KEEPS THE POOL WATER CLEAN, ALL THAT STUFF THAT WE, YOU KNOW, DON'T REALLY SEE. WE JUST EXPECT WHEN WE GO IN. BUT NOW WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE THE VESSELS THEMSELVES, THE POOL VESSELS ARE STARTING TO REALLY SHOW THEIR AGE. UM, AND IT'S EVERYTHING FROM REPLACING THE POOL DECK. ALL THE TILE WITHIN THE POOLS ARE, IS GONNA BE REPLACED. THE DIAMOND BRIGHT, WHICH IS THE PLASTERING SYSTEM FOR THE VESSELS, IS GONNA BE REPLACED. UM, REFURBISHING THE BLEACHERS. THERE'S SOME TILE ALONG THE WALLS. AESTHETIC WISE, IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, FLIS PIZZA. WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THAT TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE AN AQUATICS ENVI ENVIRONMENT. SO WIDER, BRIGHTER, CLEANER. I'M NOT GONNA RUN THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE WITH YOU, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WILL. THE, UH, THE POOLS THEMSELVES WILL BE COMPLETELY REFRESHED AND WILL LOOK, WILL LOOK NEW AND HAVE A NEW LOOK TO 'EM AND EVERYTHING. THE SHAPES OF THE POOLS, UM, SOME OF THE FEATURES, THE WATER SLIDE AND ALL THAT, THOSE WILL ALL AGAIN, REMAIN THE SAME. BUT IN TERMS OF THE WATER SLIDE, WE'LL PUT NEW PAINT ON IT AND SO FORTH. AND THERE IS ONE FEATURE, WHICH IS THE, UH, THE ONE WHERE THE KIDS SLIDE THROUGH THE MOUTH OF THE FROG THAT IS GONNA BE REMOVED AND REPLACED. THAT JUST CAN'T BE, UM, REFURBISHED. BUT AGAIN, UM, NEW DECK, EVERYTHING IS GONNA FEEL LIKE A NEW REFURB, YOU KNOW, A NEW PULL. AT THE END OF THE DAY, ONE OF THE PRIMARY PIECES, ONE OF THE PRIMARY TOUCH POINTS THAT I THINK THE, UH, YOUR COMMUNITY IS GONNA RECOGNIZE ARE THE LOCKER ROOMS IN THE, IN THE FAMILY LOCKER ROOMS. THESE ARE, THESE ARE WELL BELOW WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A, A STANDARD FOR WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. THEY'RE, I DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE EITHER. THERE'S LIMITED PRIVACY. WE CONTINUE TO HEAR THAT. UM, THEY'RE CRAMPED, THEY'RE DINGY, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DIRTY. AGAIN, STAFF HAS DONE A GOOD JOB MAINTAINING IT WITH WHAT THEY HAVE. BUT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS, AND YOU GOTTA KEEP IN MIND, 30 YEARS OLD THAT HAS BEEN REFURBISHED OVER TIME WITH LIMITED RESOURCES JUST TO KIND OF BUILD THE BRIDGE AND GET IT THROUGH ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. SO WE ARE GOING TO COMPLETELY REMOVE WHAT'S THERE. AND AGAIN, COMPLETELY REFURBISH WHAT'S THERE. UM, A LOT OF OUR GOALS ARE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN SEPARATE MEN'S AND WOMEN'S LOCKER ROOMS, SO SEPARATE GENDERED LOCKER ROOMS, TRADITIONAL LOCKER ROOMS AS, AS WE LIKE TO CALL THEM. UM, UPDATE ALL THE INTERIOR FINISHES AND MATERIALS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN INCORPORATE A TIMELESS, NEUTRAL MATERIAL PALETTE, UH, DURABLE, EASY TO MAINTAIN FINISHES SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AS TIME GOES BY, THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE EASY TO MAINTAIN AND THEY DON'T START TO HOLD DIRT AND THAT SORT OF THING. UM, BETTER LIGHTING, ENHANCE THE LIGHTING, UM, ENHANCE THE PRIVACY WITHIN THE SHOWER AND CHANGING AREAS. THIS WILL BE A, A, A, A SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE TO WHAT YOU HAVE. UM, MEET A DA REQUIREMENTS. AGAIN, ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE. I COULD RUN THROUGH LIST OF A DA, UM, VIOLATIONS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST WITHIN THE ROOMS TOO. UM, YOU KNOW, ADDING DEDICATED FAMILY, CHANGING AREAS WHERE WE CAN, UH, PROVIDE A, UM, HARDWIRED WIRED ADULT CHANGING TABLE. THIS IS, THIS IS A, A, SOMETHING WE SEE A, A LOT OF COMMUNITIES SPEAK TO, SO THEY CAN BRING THEIR ADULT CHILDREN IN MORE SO, AND, AND HAVE A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GO AND, AND DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WITH THEM. UM, EXPAND THE FAM AND A HARDWIRED TABLE MEANS THEY PUSH A BUTTON AND IT GOES UP, UP AND DOWN, BY THE WAY. UM, AND EXPAND THE FAMILY LOCKER AREA AND, UM, AND THEN PROVIDE A DEDICATED WELLNESS ROOM FOR MOMS OR EVEN JUST MEDITATING. UM, SO JUST A, A ROOM TO GO AND CALM DOWN AND WITHIN. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING LOCKER ROOM LAYOUT AS IT IS. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE, THE FLOW THROUGH THESE SPACES IS, UM, REALLY CONVOLUTED. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MAKE A LOT OF JOKES INTERNALLY ABOUT THIS AS TO, [03:10:01] YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED HERE. UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET IN, YOU CAN ALMOST GET LOST IN SOME OF THESE LARGER SPACES IN THIS ANGLED APPROACH. TO GET IN AS IS, IS, IS, IS, IS A LITTLE CONFUSING TOO. BUT AS WE LOOK AT THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE EVALUATE OUR DESIGN ON IS, ONE IS FLOW AND A BETTER DESIGN, BUT THEN TWO, HOW DO WE INCREASE THE AVAILABILITY OF SOME OF THE, THE, THE FEATURES WITHIN THESE LOCKER ROOMS. SO THE NUMBER OF TOILETS, THE NUMBER OF CHANGING TABLE, YOU KNOW, UM, PRIVATE CHANGING AREAS, THE NUMBER OF SHOWERS, THE NUMBER OF LOCKERS, AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO YOU'LL SEE THIS SUMMARY, UM, AT THE END OF THIS WHERE WE COMPARE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT I'M GONNA PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT AND HOW THOSE COMPARE TO WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN THERE. SO THIS IS OPTION ONE. UH, OPTION ONE IS REALLY BASED ON, UM, TRYING TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THE EXISTING WALL CONFIGURATIONS AND SOME OF THE EXISTING FLOW WITH JUST CLEANING IT UP. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE EXISTING PRESENTATION, UM, THE, THE YELLOW AREA UP IN FRONT RIGHT NOW IS REALLY UNDERUTILIZED. SO WE'RE TRYING TO, TO PUSH OUT TO THE MAIN AREA THERE AND, AND TAKE, UM, USE OF THAT SPACE WHERE WE CAN. AND SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, WE'VE CREATED A LITTLE LOCKER ROOM AREA UP FRONT. THIS IS PRIMARILY FOR THOSE USERS. AND, AND THIS IS, AGAIN, IT'S A TREND OF TODAY. IT'S WHERE WE'VE EVOLVED TO. IT'S PRIMARILY FOR THOSE USERS THAT COME IN AND JUST WANT TO GO PUT THEIR STUFF IN A LOCKER, GO WORK OUT, COME BACK, GET THEIR STUFF OUTTA THE LOCKER AND GO HOME. THEY REALLY DON'T USE THE SHOWER FACILITY, SO THEY DON'T REALLY NEED TO GO INTO A LOCKER ROOM NECESSARILY AND, AND, AND, AND BE PART OF THAT EXPERIENCE, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE USING AND HOW THEY'RE USING THE CENTER. SO AS YOU GO THROUGH THAT SPACE, JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP AND WIDEN UP A LITTLE BIT, THE, UM, WHERE THE FAMILY RESTROOMS ARE. SO LINING THE WALLS WITH LOCKERS, YOU GOTTA KEEP IN MIND, THERE'S, UM, PARENTS COMING IN HERE WITH STROLLERS AND MULTIPLE KIDS. SO TRYING TO GIVE THEM ENOUGH ROOM TO MANEUVER AND THEN, UM, EXPANDING ON AND MAKING THE FAMILY RESTROOMS. A DA COMPLIANT. THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE. THE SECOND ONE DOWN ON THE LEFT, YOU'LL SEE THE ADULT CHANGING TABLE IN THAT ONE. SO THAT WOULD BE LABELED AS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE WITH THE ADULT CHANGING AREA, BUT JUST A LITTLE MORE ROOM IN THESE. SO A STROLLER CAN GO IN AND FAMILIES CAN HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO MANEUVER. AND THEN REALLY THE GENDER LOCKER ROOMS ARE JUST RECONFIGURED TO HAVE BETTER FLOW. EVERYTHING'S A LITTLE TIGHTER, A LITTLE CLEANER. UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE SHOWERS ARE, HAVE WALLS WITH DOORS ON THEM, SO THAT THAT'S A PRIVATE CHANGING AREA. UM, AN INDIVIDUAL CAN GO IN THERE AND SHOWER AND THEN CHANGE, OR AT LEAST GET THEMSELVES, UM, PRETTY WELL COVERED UP BEFORE THEY, THEY WALK BACK OUT TO THE, TO THE MAIN AREA. UM, AND THEN THERE'S LOCKERS WITHIN THOSE AREAS, ALSO WITH RESTROOMS AND SO FORTH. SO BEFORE I GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE RENDERINGS, I'M GONNA HAVE MARIA TALK THROUGH THE FINISHES BECAUSE THE FINISHES, UM, WILL APPLY TO NOT ONLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU HERE IN THESE RENDERINGS, BUT ALSO THE RENDERINGS FOR OPTION TWO. THE FINISHES ARE THE SAME FOR BOTH OPTIONS. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. UM, WHEN WE SPOKE BEFORE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE LANGUAGE FOR THE REC CENTER AND BASING IT ON SOME OF THE SPACES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN REDONE, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE SPACES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. SO, UM, THE FINISHES THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE LOCKER ROOM ARE SIMILAR TO THE FINISHES THAT WILL BE IN THE RESTROOMS FOR THE PHASE TWO PROJECT THAT IS COMING ONLINE. SO THE PAINT COLOR THAT YOU'LL SEE, AND I'M GOING TO PASS THIS TRAY ALONG SO THAT YOU ALL CAN TOUCH AND FEEL, BUT SHOW AND TELL FIRST, UM, PAINT COLOR WILL BE THE SAME. GRAY GREEN, IT'S CALLED OSTEO GRAY, ONE OF MY FAVORITE COLORS. ALL OF THE LOCKERS AND TOILET PARTITIONS WILL BE THAT WALNUT TONE THAT WE SAW FOR THOSE RESTROOMS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE WOOD FEATURES WITHIN THE TALLIS AND THE LOUNGE. THE ACCENT BEHIND THE MIRRORS IN THE RESTROOMS WILL BE THIS BEAUTIFUL WHITE TILE, AGAIN, NICE AND NEUTRAL ALONG THE COURSE OF THE MAIN FAMILY, REST FAMILY LOCKER AREAS, AS WELL AS THE MAJORITY OF THE LOCKER ROOMS. UM, WILL BE THIS WOOD LOOK TILE. THAT WILL BE A WAINSCOT WITH A BLACK TILE TOP FINISH. [03:15:04] UM, AND THEN FINALLY, THE FLOORING THROUGHOUT HERE WILL BE THE SAME WITHIN THE LOCKER AREAS AS WELL AS THE POOL DECK. UM, THIS IS A COLOR REPRESENTATIVE CHIP ONLY, UM, BUT IT'S AN EPOXY OR EPOXY FLOOR. SO IT'S GOING TO BE ONE CONTINUOUS FLOOR SURFACE WITH DIFFERENT FLAKES OF COLOR. UM, WE'LL GO THROUGH A SERIES OF MOCKUPS AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF AGGREGATE THAT'S IN THE SURFACE FOR SLIP RESISTANCE VERSUS COMFORTABLE COMFORTABILITY OF UNDERFOOT. SO THE EPOXY FLOOR, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO KIND OF RUB YOUR HAND ON IT A LITTLE BIT AND EVERYTHING, 'CAUSE THAT IS GOING THROUGHOUT THE LOCKER ROOMS AND IT WILL EXTEND OUT TO THE POOL DECK. UM, WE'VE DONE SOME EXTENSIVE RESEARCH WITH STAFF. THEY'VE GONE ON FIELD TRIPS TO OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE THEY'VE USED THIS ON THE POOL DECK. IT IS SLIP RESISTANT. IT IS, IS VERY CLEANABLE CAN BE SCRUBBED DOWN. IT IS NOT IT, IT'S, IT'S UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S STAIN PROOF. UM, AND IT'S A FORM. WE'VE USED IT A LOT IN THIS SITUATION, BUT WE'VE ALSO USED IT A LOT. WE DO A LOT OF RESTAURANTS WHERE WE'VE USED IT A LOT IN THEIR BACK OF HOUSE, IN THEIR KITCHEN ENVIRONMENTS TOO, UM, AS AN OPTION TO USING TILE. 'CAUSE A LOT OF RESTAURANT USERS DON'T LIKE TO GROUT AND EVERYTHING, AND THAT HOLDS BACTERIA AND SO FORTH. THIS FLOOR IS BACTERIA RESISTANT. UM, SO IT'S A, IT'S A PERFECT MATERIAL TO USE IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS. IT'S A, IT, IT'S A LOT LIKE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT IS WHAT'S THE FLOOR IN THE TERRAZA? IT'S A LOT LIKE TERRAZZO, BUT IT HAS GRIT TO IT. SO, UM, THE VIEW THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE ON SCREEN IS, UM, IS WHEN YOU FIRST COME INTO THE LOCKER ROOM SPACE, IT'S RIGHT OFF THE MAIN CORRIDOR. SO REALLY JUST THAT'S WHERE YOU WALK IN. YOU'LL SEE LOCKERS, UM, GOING THROUGH THE FACILITY AND THEN THE HALLWAY GOING DOWN WHERE THE FAMILY TOILET ROOMS ARE JUST REAL CLEAN, SIMPLE. UM, AND AGAIN, AS MARIA EXPLAINED, THIS IS AN EXTRACTION OF THE RESTROOM FINISHES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON. AND THEN THE SHOWER FACILITIES WHERE THERE YOU WILL GO INTO A ROOM SHOWER, BE ABLE TO GET CLOTHES BACK ON BEFORE YOU COME BACK OUT. AND THEN THIS IS OPTION TWO. OPTION TWO, WE TOOK THE APPROACH OF HOW DO WE CREATE A MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT. UM, SO PUTTING THAT RIGHT UP FRONT, THAT'S THE GREEN SPACE AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. CREATING MORE FAMILY TOILET OPPORTUNITIES, UM, AND ADDITIONAL LOCKERS AND SO FORTH. AND THEN ALONG WITH THE GENDERED MALE AND THE GENDERED FEMALE, UH, LOCKER ROOMS ON THE, UH, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PLAN, THIS REALLY RESULTS IN A PLAN WHERE, WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE BIGGEST INCREASE IN FACILITIES, UM, IS IN THE FAMILY, UM, WITH 11, UM, OPPORTUNITIES THERE. AND AGAIN, AS YOU WALK IN SORT OF A SIMILAR UH, LOOK AND THEN THE FAMILY CHANGING LOCKER ROOM WIDE OPEN, LIGHTER, BRIGHTER, UH, SHOWERS, UM, IN THE SAME. AND THEN THIS IS THE CHART THAT I WANTED TO GET TO. UM, THE, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING COLUMNS. SO IF YOU GO UP TO, UH, TOILETS, THE EXISTING LOCKER ROOMS HAD 14. OUR OPTION TWO INCREASED THAT BY OR ACTUALLY HAD 16. OUR OPTION TWO, ONE HAD AN ADDITIONAL TWO, BUT THEN OUR OPTION TWO INCREASED IT BY THREE. SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE SINKS ON OPTION TWO. UH, WE ADDIT, WE, UM, INCREASED THAT BY TWO. THE SHOWERS REALLY REMAIN NEUTRAL. WE, UM, THE EXISTING HAD 23, BUT IN OPTION ONE WE LOST SIX. BUT OPTION TWO WE GAINED, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY WE STAYED NEUTRAL AT 23 UH, LOCKERS WE DID, WE'RE SHOWING NUMBERS THAT GO DOWN, BUT THAT IS LITERALLY THE NUMBERS SQUARES THAT ARE ON THE PLAN. SO IF WE WANT TO KEEP THE NUMBER OF SOCCERS LOCKERS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS IN THE EXISTING PLAN, WE CAN TAKE 'EM AND WE CAN INCREASE THOSE BY TAKING A FULL HEIGHT LOCKER AND DIVIDING IN IN TWO OR IN THREES OR FOURS, HOWEVER WE WANT TO DO THAT. SO WHERE WE'RE SHOWING ON OPTION TWO THAT WE'RE LOSING 52 LOCKERS, THAT'S A LITTLE DECEPTIVE. WE CAN MAKE THAT NUMBER UP PRETTY QUICK. WE JUST DON'T THINK YOU NEED 143 LOCKERS IN THERE. UM, YOU HAVE LOCKERS IN THE, UH, FITNESS AREA THAT PEOPLE USE. SO THERE'S OTHER LOCKERS SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY, UM, THAT ARE AVAILABLE [03:20:01] FOR FOLKS TO USE. AND THEN THE BIG INCREASE IS ON THE PRIVATE CHANGING IN THE EXISTING PLAN. YOU ONLY HAD FOUR, UM, I'M SORRY, YEAH, YOU HAD FOUR AND THEN WE INCREASED THAT TO 11, SO THAT WAS PLUS SEVEN. SO THAT IS SIGNIFICANT. AND YOUR OVERALL TOTAL PRIVATE CHANGING AREAS JUMPED UP TO 19 BECAUSE THE O THOSE OR PLUS 19, THOSE, UM, PRIVATE CHANGING OR THE PRIVATE FAMILY TOILET ROOMS CAN BE USED BY ANYBODY AT THE END OF THE DAY. SO WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT JUST FOR FAMILIES. DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? IT'S LATE AND I'M KIND OF, THE NUMBERS ARE SORT OF JUMPING AROUND MY HEAD, SO . UM, SO WITH ALL THAT, UH, WE REALLY RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO WITH OPTION TWO AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN HERE AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR, AND YOU CAN SEE THE REASON FOR THAT. WE DID INCREASE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SHOWERS DEDICATED, UH, CHANGING AREA WITH UH, AMPLE SPACE HAS INCREASED. UM, THE NUMBER OF PRIVACY HAS INCREASED ADULT CHANGING TABLES IN THERE, A DA COMPLIANCE ISSUES HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED. UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL TOILETS AND SINKS. KEITH, LET ME ADD SOMETHING HERE REAL REALLY QUICKLY. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS HERE. UM, COMBINED WITH THE AQUATIC IMPROVEMENTS AND THE LOCKER ROOMS, THE ESTIMATED COST IS ABOUT 6.5 MILLION. EITHER OF THESE OPTIONS ARE VERY SIMILAR IN COST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE PLUMBING HAS TO BE REDONE FOR EITHER OPTION. YEAH. SO WE'RE TALKING ONE OR $200,000 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, IS THAT CORRECT, KEITH? THAT IS CORRECT. WE ARE, WE WILL BE TEARING EVERY PLUMBING FIXTURE OUT. WE WILL BE CUTTING SAW, CUTTING THE FLOOR IN BOTH THESE OPTIONS REALLY IS, IT'S JUST NOT SURGICAL. IT IS GOING IN AND COMPLETELY REMOVING AND COMPLETELY REPLACING. UM, BECAUSE THE INTENT OF THIS IS, THIS STUFF HAS BEEN IN THERE FOR 30 YEARS. SO THIS IS A ONCE KIND OF IN A 30 YEAR LIFESPAN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN THERE AND REDO IT AND FIX IT AND SET IT UP FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS. SO, SO WITH THAT STAFF IS, UM, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF OPTION TWO AND SEEKING APPROVAL FROM, UH, CITY COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS SO WE CAN GET THIS OUT TO BID EARLY 2027 IN PREPARATION FOR SPRING AND SUMMER CONSTRUCTION NEXT YEAR. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. AND TAKE A MOMENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS AGENDA ITEM? HEARING NONE COUNCIL QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS IS AGAIN REALLY GREAT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. BETWE, YOU KNOW, REGARDING OPTIONS ONE AND TWO MM-HMM . AND THE USE DATA, DOES THAT SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, MORE FAMILY CHANGING ROOMS AND LESS? 'CAUSE THE OVERALL NUMBERS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL GENDER SPECIFIC ROOMS ARE GONNA BE DECREASED. I REMEMBER WHEN I USED TO GO TO THE DUBLIN REC CENTER, EVERY TIME I WENT, ALL THE SHOWERS WERE FULL. AND IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE REDUCING THE SHOWERS FROM EIGHT TO SIX MM-HMM . ALSO REDUCING THE NUMBER OF, UM, TOILETS AS WELL. AND SO IN THE DATA THAT YOU HAVE, DOES IT SUPPORT THE DECREASE IN, IN THOSE FACILITIES AND AN INCREASE IN THE FAMILY FACILITIES? YES, IT DOES. SO THE TREND IS ACTUALLY, UM, I I THE TREND IS ACTUALLY TO DO ALL FAMILY TOILETS. UM, WE'RE NOT THERE HERE YET. UM, AND I DON'T THINK YOU EVER WILL BE WITH YOUR USERS. UM, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE SWIM LESSON FOLKS THAT ARE GOING INTO STRIP CENTERS, TYPICALLY YOU GO IN AND THERE'S A LOCKER ROOM THAT EVERYBODY GOES INTO, AND THEN THERE'S, UH, INDIVIDUAL, UM, LOCK OR OR FAMILY TOILETS THAT THEY GO INTO THAT IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE WHERE ALL THIS IS EVENTUALLY GONNA END UP DOWN THE ROAD. BUT WHAT WE HEARD BACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, WHAT WE HEARD BACK FROM YOUR USERS IS THERE IS STILL A VERY DEEP NEED AND DESIRE TO HAVE GENDERED LOCKER ROOMS AND WE SUPPORT THAT. WE STILL DESIGNED TO THAT. WHEN WE DID THE UA COMMUNITY CENTER, WE DID THAT. UM, AND I WOULD NOT WAVER OFF OF THAT. SO THE DATA DOES SHOW AND YOU'RE REALLY, YOU'RE OVER FIXTURED HERE, UM, BASED ON WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS TOO. ACTUALLY I DO LIKE THE ENTRANCE, WHICH WITH JUST THE LOCKERS. YEAH. BECAUSE I KNOW THEN SOME OF THE OTHER GYMS THAT I GO TO, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THAT. AND IT'S USED YOU FAIRLY OFTEN WHERE PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY IN A BIG LOCKER ROOM, THEY [03:25:01] JUST HAVE TO THROW THE BAG IN, WORK OUT AND AND GO. SO I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A, A REALLY GOOD USE OF SPACE. BUT OVERALL I REALLY LIKE, UH, WHAT YOU DID HERE AND I LIKE THE DESIGN. OKAY. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. DID YOU LOOK AT, UM, A MORE BASIC OPTION OF JUST REVAMPING THE EXISTING CONFIGURATIONS? YEAH, AND I'LL, I'LL BACK UP. THERE IS SOME, SO AS YOU LOOK AT THESE, IF WE DID AND, BUT PART OF THE ISSUE BECOMES, AND I'M GONNA GO STRAIGHT TO THE SHOWERS, THESE, IN BOTH CASES, THE SHOWERS HAVE BEEN RENOVATED AT SOME POINT IN TIME. THEY USED TO BE, I THINK THE WHIMS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN INDIVIDUAL SHOWERS LIKE THAT. BUT THE MEN'S USED TO BE JUST A COMMON SHOWER ROOM WHERE YOU WENT INTO AND UM, HIT A, THE JOKE IS WE CALLED IT A COLLABORATION SHOWER. UM, BUT EVERYBODY JUST KIND OF STOOD IN THERE AND, AND DID WHAT THEY DID. SO THAT WAS OLD SCHOOL THEN CAME BACK AND PUT THESE, UM, SMALLER INDIVIDUAL SHOWERS IN. UM, SO AS YOU START TO EXPAND THOSE BY THEMSELVES, UM, THEY START TO TAKE UP MORE SPACE AND IT REALLY STARTS TO BLOW THING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAVING TO START TO MOVE MORE WALLS AND DO MORE THAN WHAT YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU CAN DO, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE A DA REQUIREMENTS. SO FLOOR SPACE HAS TO GET BIGGER AND MORE, UH, OPEN FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE FOR A, YOU KNOW, HANDICAPPED INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER AROUND AND, AND, UM, HAVE ACCESS. SO, SO DO YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS THOUGH, IF YOU KIND OF TOOK WITHOUT MOVING ALL THE PLUMBING AND YOU KEPT GENERAL LAYOUT, I MEAN, WAS IT EVEN PRACTICAL TO BRING IT UP TO A DA STANDARDS WITHOUT COMPLETELY GETTING IT AND OVER? NO, I MEAN, AND I, AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK AND POINT BACK TO THE MEN'S RESTROOM. YOU SEE THE, YOU SEE THE TOILET FIXTURES ON THE WALL, WE WOULD HAVE TO, THE, THE ONE TOILET STALL THAT'S IN THERE IS NOT ACCESSIBLE. IT'S NOT NOT IN HANDICAPPED. EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOT GRAB BARS IN IT, IT DOESN'T MEET TODAY'S STANDARDS. SO WE'D HAVE TO SIGNIFICANTLY START GOING IN THERE AND, AND, UH, DEMOLISHING WALLS AND MOVING THINGS AROUND. UM, IN THE SAME WAY THAT BOTH OPTION ONE AND EVEN OPTION TWO, UM, REQUIRE US TO DO ON BOTH SIDES, NOT JUST THE MEN'S ON, ON BOTH SIDES. YEAH, I'M JUST PICKING ON THE MEN'S 'CAUSE IT'S ON, IT'S EASY TO POINT TO. OKAY. YEAH, THANKS. HOW LONG, UM, IS CONSTRUCTION EXPECTED TO STAY TAKE FROM START TO FINISH? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. UM, PROBABLY FOCUSING STARTING CONSTRUCTION IN MAY OF NEXT YEAR. UM, AND THEN STARTING ON THE LOCKER ROOMS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PHASE THIS, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KEEP SOME OF IT OPEN WHILE WE'RE DOING OTHER AREAS AND THEN TURN OVER SPACES AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE EVERYTHING DONE BY SEPTEMBER OF 27, AT LEAST ON THE LAP POOL SIDE FOR THE SWIM TEAMS TO COME IN AND BE ABLE TO USE THERE. THE LEISURE POOL IMPROVEMENTS MIGHT DRAG OUT A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THAT, BUT BY SEPTEMBER 27TH, THE LOCKER ROOMS SHOULD BE USABLE, WHETHER THEY'LL BE ALL DONE OR NOT. THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF A QUESTION RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD CAN KIND OF WORK THROUGH SCHEDULE. AND THEN, UM, THE, THE, IN TERMS OF YOU BEING ABLE TO USE THE LAP POOL BY THE SCHOOLS AS, AS YOU ALL DISCUSSED EARLIER THIS EVENING TOO. YEAH, I, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF, I I MEAN YOU COULD HAVE SOME THAT ARE A SINGLE, YOU KNOW, LOCKER HIGH, LIKE TALLER LOCKERS, BUT I, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING A BIT OF A MIX. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE COMING IN AS I USED TO DO WITH SEVERAL CHILDREN, UM, YOU, YOU NEED A BIGGER LOCKER, RIGHT? YEAH. BUT FOR A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS OR, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S JUST A MOM AND A KIDDO, THEY MIGHT NOT NEED IT AS BIG OF A LOCKER. SO I THINK WE MIGHT WANNA MAYBE PUT SOME DIFFERENT SIZE LOCKERS AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO INVESTIGATE THAT. YEAH. AS WE GET IN THE FINAL DESIGN. MM-HMM . UM, I MEAN I THINK IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE'RE SORT OF STUCK WITHIN THE WALLS THAT WE HAVE, RIGHT? YES. UM, AND, AND I HAVE A FEELING SOMEONE'S GONNA FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THIS THAN I DO, BUT I, I DO LIKE OPTION TWO. I LIKE HAVING ADDITIONAL FAMILY LOCKERS BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST FAMILIES. YOU, YOU CAN USE THEM AS INDIVIDUALS AS WELL, SHOULD YOU, YOU KNOW, SEE THE NEED TO DO. SO, UM, THIS LAYOUT TO ME FEELS A LITTLE BIT MORE LOGICAL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT. UM, IT IS VERY ODD TO HOW IT'S SORT OF ANGLED TODAY. UM, I LIKE THAT IT, IT'S, EVEN THOUGH IT'S USING THE SAME FOUR WALLS SO TO SPEAK, IT DOES FEEL MORE OPEN. UM, I, I LIKE THE MEDITATION ROOM. I THINK THAT'S A, A GREAT OPTION. IT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE USED AS A LACTATION ROOM FOR SOMETHING AS WELL. UM, IT'S ALL THE ABOVE, WHICH I [03:30:01] THINK IS REALLY GREAT. AND I, AND I LIKE THE INCORPORATION OF ALL THE, THE A DA COMPLIANCE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ADULT CHANGING ROOM AS WELL. 'CAUSE IT, THAT CAN BE REALLY TOUGH. UM, SO I LIKE OPTION TWO. UM, I, I, I MEAN IF THE DATA SAYS THIS IS WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE, I, I HAVE TO SORT OF TRUST IN SOME OF THAT DATA. SO, UM, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I THINK IT'S GREAT. IT'S A COMPLETE RE-IMAGINING OF THINGS, WHICH WAS KIND OF WHAT WE ASKED FOR. I, UM, I PREFER OPTION ONE. I, I'M THERE THREE TIMES A WEEK. UM, I WILL TELL YOU WHY THAT, UM, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS, AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE MEN'S, BUT I CAN SPEAK TO THE WOMEN'S. UM, TWO THINGS I, I THINK THOSE INDIVIDUAL ROOMS ARE GONNA GET IN THE MORNINGS WHEN PEOPLE ARE WORKING OUT OR IN THE EVENINGS WHERE PEOPLE ARE WORKING OUT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT THEIR TURN FOR SOME OF THOSE ROOMS. WHEREAS NOW FOR BUSY PEOPLE THAT GO IN, USE THE LOCKER ROOM, DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND LEAVE, I SEE THAT ACTIVITY AND I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IT'S NOT GONNA FRUSTRATE PEOPLE. SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS WORTH. NOW THIS IS, I'M NOW DON'T HAVE KIDS ANYMORE, SO MAYBE ON SATURDAY MORNING THAT THAT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT. BUT I'M THERE ON SATURDAYS. I'M THERE DIFFERENT TIMES. I, I THINK WE MIGHT FRUSTRATE MORE PEOPLE WITH SOME OF THAT, THAT NOW I, THAT'S JUST MY OBSERVATION. THE OTHER THING IS I NOTICE A LOT OF CLASSES WILL END AT THE SAME TIME. SO THERE'LL BE THE YOGA CLASS OR THE SWIM CLASS AND EVERYBODY'S THERE SORT OF AT THE SAME TIME. SO IT ISN'T AN EVEN FLOW OF USAGE, BUT RATHER MORE LUMPY ABOUT WHEN DIFFERENT PEOPLE, AND I THINK WE MAY CREATE WAITING TIMES WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY NOW. SO I DON'T HAVE THE DATA TO SUPPORT THAT. IT IS JUST, I SEE THEM GOING AND BIG GROUPS AND I SEE 'EM LEAVING BIG GROUPS, ET CETERA. THE OTHER THING I CAN SAY, THERE IS NEVER ENOUGH LOCKER SPACE AND THEY DON'T WORK THERE AS WE KNOW NOW. THEY, THEY GET BOOGERED UP. SO, UM, I THINK PEOPLE WOULD APPLAUD MORE LOCKER SPACE. SO I WOULD VOTE FOR THAT. SO MINE IS ABOUT WAITING TIME ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE PEAK PERIODS IN THE LOCKER SPACE. AND, AND OPTION ONE JUST FEELS LIKE IT WILL RESPOND BETTER TO THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA, I JUST HAVE ANECDOTAL OBSERVATIONS. UM, BUT I AM A USER AND I SEE IT A LOT. AND THAT'S WOULD BE MY OBSERVATION IS LET'S NOT CREATE, THEY'RE READY TO GO TO WORK OR THEY'RE READY TO GO DO THE NEXT THING. AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT. OKAY. WHEN YOU REMOVE SO MUCH OF THAT SPACE. SO I DON'T KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT OPTION TWO, IF YOU PUT THAT BACK THERE AGAIN, IF THERE'S A WAY TO, I, I DON'T KNOW, DO ONE LESS OF THE FAMILY ROOMS OR SOMETHING AND CREATES, AGAIN, MAYBE I'M WRONG THAT I, I SEE THE EXPERTS ARE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM THERE, UH, THAT, THAT KNOW ABOUT THE FLOW OF ALL OF THIS. BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN MY, UM, YEAH, I, AND I WORRY ABOUT THAT. SO THAT'S MY, AND I THINK THAT'S A VALID CONCERN. I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IF, YOU KNOW, ALL THE FAMILY TOILETS ARE TAKEN UP, YOU STILL HAVE, AND THIS IS THE REASON WE, WE MAINTAIN THE IDEA OF A GENDERED MEN'S AND A GENDERED WOMEN'S, UH, RESTROOM, YOU STILL HAVE THOSE TO GO TO AND THERE'S STILL SUFFICIENT FIXTURES IN THOSE TO SUPPORT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN ANY BACKUP THAT MIGHT COME. SO I DO, WE KNOW THAT, I MEAN, THE CLASS GETS OUT. THERE'S A LOT. I MEAN, DO WE, DO WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS? DO WE KNOW THAT? NO. HOW THE, WHAT THE FREQUENCY OF THE, WELL, I'M JUST LIKE THE YOGA CLASS IS DONE AND THERE'S 35 PEOPLE IN THERE, AND THEN THE OTHER CLASS GETS DONE AND THEN THE SWIM, THE SWIMMING TEAM, I, AGAIN, I I SEE THEM ALL PULLED IN THERE GETTING DRESSED OR CHANGED AT THE SAME TIME. MM-HMM . AND I, I OBSERVED THAT. SO AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THE DATA, I JUST HAVE MY OBSERVATION. SO I DON'T WANNA DO ALL THIS BEAUTIFUL THING AND THEN END UP SURE. AND SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, SO I, I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT FROM THAT REASON. BUT, UM, AGAIN, I, I I ONLY HAVE OBSERVATION. UM, I WOULDN'T LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OTHER POINTS. SO ONE OF THEM IS THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE LOCKERS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TECHNOLOGY WE'RE GOING TO USE, BUT WHATEVER IT IS, CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT DARN THING WORKS? BECAUSE THAT I THINK IS THE BIGGEST FRUSTRATION IS THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEWEST, UM, TECHNOLOGY IS. AND THEN WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS, THE BATHROOM THAT'S OVER NEAR THE THEATER WHEN YOU WALK IN, THAT'S NOT IN ANY OF THE PLANS. IS THAT NOT YET. NOT YET, YES. TO COME. SO I, I BRING THAT UP. ONLY IF THERE IS LOCKER IN THERE AND THERE'S, IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO CREATE THAT ABILITY FOR SOMEONE TO, YOU KNOW, USE THAT LOCK, COULD [03:35:01] THAT BE THE OVERFLOW? MY CONCERN MAY BE MITIGATED IF THERE'S A ANOTHER OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO YEAH. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH, I'M, I'M ASKING. SO, UM, AGAIN, IF YOU PUT THE THREE OF THEM TOGETHER AND THE FLOW, MAYBE THERE'S A A WAY TO DO THAT. I JUST WILL JUST SHARE MY OBSERVATION FROM SOMEONE WHO'S A FREQUENT FLYER OF, UM, THE POLICE. SO TO YOUR FREQUENCY OF USE QUESTION, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY THAT'S, WE DID TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. SO THAT'S WHERE, IF YOU LOOK AT OPTION TWO COMPARED TO THE EXISTING, FOR EXAMPLE, WE END UP WITH ADDITIONAL TOILETS, WE END UP WITH ADDITIONAL SINKS, WE END UP WITH ADDITIONAL, WELL, WE'RE NEUTRAL ON THE SHOWERS, SO WE DIDN'T REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SHOWERS. LOCKERS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA WORK ON. UM, SO WE ARE WITH OPTION TWO, WE'RE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A BETTER SITUATION THAN WE ARE WITH THE, AS COMPARED TO THE EXISTING AS WELL AS EVEN OPTION ONE. THE OPTION ONE PLAN. AND, AND HERE'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO AGAIN, CAN'T SPEAK TO THE MEN'S ROOM, BUT IN THE WOMEN'S ROOM, IF I GO IN THERE AND I TAKE A BUNCH OF TIME GETTING READY, SHAMPOOING DRYING MY HAIR, WHATEVER, I'M NOT HOLDING UP THAT WHOLE ROOM, RIGHT? MM-HMM . I AM USING THAT WHOLE PRIVATE ROOM. UNDERSTOOD. WHEREAS IN THE COMMUNITY'S PLACE, THEY'RE ALL STANDING THERE FIXING THEIR HAIR, DO WHATEVER, AND EVERYBODY GETS TO DO IT. SO THERE IS NO BOTTLENECK. MM-HMM . MAYBE I'M NOT BEING VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. SO WHEN YOU COME OUTTA SOME OF THESE CLASSES OR SOME OF THESE, I THINK WE CREATE A BOTTLENECK FOR OURSELVES MAYBE IN THIS, THAT WE'RE NOT NOW, IF THERE ARE OTHER ROOMS ARE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THAT BOTTLENECK, BUT THINK ABOUT IT. NOW, I GOTTA WAIT FOR SOMEBODY TO GO THROUGH THEIR WHOLE 30 MINUTE PROCESS BEFORE I CAN USE THAT ROOM. WHEREAS NOW I DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. SO I'LL STOP TALKING. I'M IN THE MINORITY, BUT THAT'S MY OBSERVATION. I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU'RE NOT IN THE MINORITY. I ACTUALLY LIKE OPTION ONE AS WELL. OKAY. UM, WHAT I, WELL, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT BOTH OF 'EM IS THE PART YOU HAVE IN YELLOW. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. UM, BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU, IT'S YOU WANT THE LOCKER AND IF, AND THEN, AND ACTUALLY THAT GOES TO ONE OF THE REASONS I KIND OF LIKE OPTION ONE IS YOU THROW YOUR STUFF IN YOUR LOCKER. IF YOU GOTTA RUN INTO THE BATHROOM REAL QUICK, YOU CAN RUN INTO THE BATHROOM REAL QUICK. UM, IT FLOWS IN EASIER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND AND DOWN TO THE CORNER TO GET TO THE WOMEN'S RESTROOM AFTER YOU JUST PUT YOUR STUFF UP THERE. UM, BUT I AGREE WITH KATHY'S POINT AS A USER, UM, AS A MORNING USER WHO'S GETTING READY FOR WORK, OPTION ONE IS THE BETTER PLAN, UM, YES. FOR THE FAMILIES. OPTION TWO IS CLEARLY THE BETTER PLAN. UM, SO I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT USE IT ACTUALLY IN THE MORNING VERSUS, I DON'T, I'M NOT AN AFTERNOON USER, SO I DON'T, OR LIKE AFTER WORK USER. UM, BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE, I MEAN, I'VE NEVER SEEN LINES OUT FOR THE FAMILY RESTROOMS THAT EXISTS NOW. BUT THEN AGAIN, I DON'T GO ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON FOR THE BIRTHDAY PARTY OR WHATEVER IT IS WHEN ALL THE KIDS ARE THERE. SO, UM, I, I JUST THINK THE FAMILY RESTROOMS, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT PEOPLE SPEND IN THEM IS A LOT LONGER. LIKE THE TURNOVER ISN'T AS QUICK. THAT'S WHAT I'M, UM, SO I'M KIND OF IN FAVOR OF OPTION ONE. I, I THINK, AND OPTION ONE EVEN GIVES US MORE FAMILY RESTROOMS THAN WE HAVE NOW. I, I MEAN, I LOVE LIKE YEAH, WE'VE GOT, YOU GOT THE ADULT CHANGING TABLE AND, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW. I'M LEANING TOWARDS ONE. IT JUST GIVES YOU ONE MORE AND, AND HAVING BEEN A USER OF THE FAMILY RESTROOMS FOR MANY YEARS, I WILL TELL YOU THERE WERE TIMES I HAD TO WAIT 30 OR 40 MINUTES BECAUSE THERE WERE SO FEW OF THE FAMILY ROOMS AND SO MANY FAMILIES LOOKING TO GET INTO THEM. SO I, I GOTTA TRUST THE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND WHAT THEY TELL US. BUT, SO I'VE, AND I, I'VE EXPERIENCED IT BOTH WAYS. 'CAUSE I'VE USED THE, THE REC CENTER IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES AS MY CHILDREN HAVE GROWN OVER THE YEARS. UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S THE STRUGGLE IS WE HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THE FOUR WALLS. THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS EVER A TIME WHEN I HAD THE KIDS THERE AT THE POOL WHERE WE DID NOT HAVE TO WAIT A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME TO GET INTO THE FAMILY LOCKER ROOM. SOMETIMES IT WAS EASIER TO BRING ALL THE KIDS INTO THE WOMEN'S ROOM, AND EACH ONE OF 'EM IS USING A SEPARATE ALL AT THE SAME TIME. AND THAT IS MY POINT IN ENTIRELY, YOU'LL HAVE THAT IN THE MORNING FOR OTHER THINGS. YOU'LL CREATE THE WAIT TIME PROBLEM FOR I, I GET OTHERS. I GET THAT. I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO AN AND YES. SITUATION. IT'S A, SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE RECOMMENDING OPTION TWO, YOU MUST HAVE DATA SUPPORT THAT THERE'S A FAMILY [03:40:01] LOCKER ROOM NEED. YOU KNOW, MY FIRST IMPRESSION WAS WE'RE SWINGING THE PENDULUM TOO FAR TO THE FAMILY SIDE. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE TREND IS ACTUALLY, IS IT ALL FAMILY OR 90% FAMILY? YOU KNOW, THE GYM I GO TO, THERE'S A FAMILY LOCKER ROOM AND I'M KIND OF GONNA GO TO A DARK PLACE. IT'S LOCKED, UM, FOR SECURITY REASONS. MM-HMM . CHILDREN ARE IN THE FAMILY LOCKER ROOM. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M INTRODUCING ANOTHER ELEMENT ALTOGETHER. BUT TO HAVE TO WALK THROUGH, ESPECIALLY, AND I'M GONNA BE PREJUDICED TOWARDS MEN, FOR MEN TO HAVE TO WALK THROUGH A FAMILY LOCKER ROOM TO GET TO THEIR LOCKER ROOM OR EVEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO WALK THROUGH A FAMILY LOCKER ROOM, GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN. MM-HMM . UM, I, I DON'T FOR SOME REASON MIND THE WOMEN HAVING ACCESS TO THE FAMILY LOCKER ROOM AS MUCH, BUT, UM, IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SACRIFICING A LOT IN TERMS OF THE TOILETS, THE SHOWERS, AND THE MEN'S AND WOMEN'S FOR THIS FAMILY LOCKER ROOM. AND I, I JUST QUESTION, UM, SHOULD THERE BE EASY COME, EASY GO, YOU'RE MORE OR LESS TURNING IT INTO A CO-ED LOCKER ROOM MM-HMM . UM, AND I, I JUST WORRY THAT SINISTER THINGS COULD HAPPEN. AND THIS IS ALL, THIS IS WHY WE BROUGHT THIS TO, TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, SO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I WILL SAY THAT THE FAMILY LOCKER ROOM TREND IS SPECIFIC TO COMMUNITY CENTERS, SO WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I WOULDN'T COMPARE IT TO A LIFETIME FITNESS NECESSARILY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OTHER THAN THE SWIM INKS. THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH WHERE THEY GO IN AND LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, A COMMON LOCKER ROOM WITH INDIVIDUAL, UM, FAMILY TOILET ROOMS TO GO TO WITH YOUR CHILDREN AT THAT POINT. SO COMMUNITY CENTERS TEND TO FOCUS ON FAMILIES VERSUS ON INDIVIDUALS. UM, THAT'S JUST THE TREND. SO, UM, JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN YOUR MIND A LITTLE BIT TOO. BUT WE DO HAVE THE SWIM TEAMS USING THIS. SO DOES OPTION TWO HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THE SWIM TEAMS WHEN THEY COME TO ABSOLUTELY, YEAH. THE SWIM TEAMS, IF YOU BROUGHT A HIGH SCHOOL SWIM TEAM IN AND YOU SAID THEY, THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO USE THE FAMILY TOILETS FOR SOME REASON, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM IN THE MEN'S GENDER IN THE WOMEN'S GENDER FOR THEM TO USE IT. AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF THEM EVEN USING IT IS, IS, IS PRETTY LOW TOO. THEY USE IT. BUT THERE'S, I'VE BEEN THERE WHERE I'VE SEEN THEM COME IN, IN THEIR SWIMSUITS AND LEAVE IN THEIR SWIMSUITS AND ON A VERY REGULAR OCCASION. OKAY. UH, MY ONLY COMMENT IS ON OPTION TWO, I THINK IT'S VERY STRANGE THAT WOMEN WOULD WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH THE ENTIRETY OF THE LOCKER ROOM TO GET DOWN TO THE DOOR TO GO INTO THE WOMEN'S LOCKER ROOM. SO I, UM, I, I AM, UH, FULL CONFESSION. I, I AM NOT A FREQUENT FLYER OF THE REC CENTER. UM, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D WANNA NAVIGATE. I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE'S AN ENTRANCE TO THE MEN'S LOCKER ROOM. THERE'S AN ENTRANCE TO THE WOMEN'S LOCKER ROOM AND THERE'S AN ENTRANCE TO THE FAMILY LOCKER ROOM, AND ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE ACCESSED. YOU, YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY PASS THROUGH ONE TO GET TO ANOTHER. YEAH. UM, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. IF YOU WENT BACK TO OPTION ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES INTO THE WOMEN'S LOCKER ROOM. I, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THAT. MAYBE MOVE THE ENTRANCE UP TO THE ONE AND YOU COULD CAPTURE THAT SPACE THAT IS LOWER SO YOU DON'T, PEOPLE AREN'T TRAVERSING THROUGH THE ENTIRETY OF IT. UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN MAYBE COME OUT TO THIS YELLOW PORTION OR SOMETHING. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT, BUT, UH, NAVIGATING OTHER LOCKER ROOMS TO GET TO THE LOCKER ROOM YOU'RE HEADED JUST FEELS STRANGE TO ME. UNDERSTOOD. SO, UM, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, THE TWO ENTRANCES. SO TYPICALLY WHAT, WHEN YOU USE AQUATICS, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GO TAKE A SHOWER AND COME OUT AND GO DIRECTLY TO THE POOL. SO THAT'S THE LOWER TWO. I WOULD LOOK AT THOSE AS EGRESS TO GET TO AQUATICS. THE UPPER TWO ARE THE ENTRANCES WHERE THEY COME IN AND AS YOU LOOK AT OPTION TWO, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST ONE ENTRANCE INTO EACH ONE OF 'EM, BUT THEY'RE, THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR ALONG THE, UH, THAT THEY SHARE WITH THE FAMILY TOILETS OVER THERE IS [03:45:01] WHAT WE WOULD CALL A WET CORRIDOR THAT ALLOWS 'EM TO GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN AQUATICS AT THE SAME TIME. SO AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS PLAN. AND WE, WE STUDIED WHAT WE HAD PROBABLY FIVE OR DIFFERENT FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT PLAN OPTIONS BEFORE WE DRILL DOWN TO THESE TWO. AND A LOT OF 'EM WERE FOR THE REASONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALL SPOKE TO TONIGHT. UM, SO YOU KNOW, IT, THIS ONE, OPTION ONE CERTAINLY WORKS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL, UH, FAMILY TOILET THAT WE WERE ABLE TO INCORPORATE ON THIS. UM, THE REASON THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING OPTION TWO IS THIS, THAT TREND IN COMMUNITY CENTERS TO BE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE HEAVY WEIGHTED TOWARDS FAMILIES VERSUS THE INDIVIDUALS. UM, IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN, THEN THAT DOESN'T WORK. AND THIS CERTAINLY, UM, HAS A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF FAMILY TOILETS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. OKAY. WELL THAT WAS SPLIT DECISION. . WE, WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION, WE NEED TO PICK ONE AND MAKE, I'M SORRY, WE HAVE TO PICK ONE TONIGHT. THAT'D BE GREAT IF YOU COULD. YEAH. SO I'M GONNA LOOK FOR HEAD NODS OF SUPPORT FOR OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PROCEEDING WITH PHASE THREE OF THE DCRC REFRESH WITH OPTION ONE AS THE PREFERRED LOCKER ROOM DESIGN APPROACH AND ASSOCIATED POOL IN AQUATICS IMPROVEMENTS AS PRESENTED. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL ROLE MAYOR AROSE GROOMS? YES. DR. LAMB? YES. MS. JOHNSON? YES. VICE MAYOR DEROSA? YES. MS. SALUTO? NO. MS. KEELER? YES. MS. CRA? YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, MAYBE YOU'LL HA NOT HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THREE HOURS BEFORE YOU GET TO PRESENT. IT'S OKAY. BUT I'M NOT MAKING ANY PROMISES. I'VE LEARNED A LOT AND, UH, MY FA I WENT HOME AFTER THE LAST ONE. WE WILL BE ATTENDING YOUR CHRISTMAS VILLAGE THING. I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT BEFORE THAT, AS YOU SHOULD. VERY GOOD. OKAY, WELL NOW WE GET TO HEAR OUR BRIEFINGS EMPHASIS ON BRIEF. I'M JUST KIDDING. TAKE ALL THE TIME THAT YOU NEED BECAUSE WE WANT TO HEAR ALL THAT YOU PREPARED FOR US. SO WE WILL START WITH THE Q3 IT BRIEFING AND OUR STAFF REPORT WILL BE GIVEN BY BRANDON BROWNS. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, 94 SLIDES. THAT'S IT. BRIEF. BAD JOKE, SORRY. UM, I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU WE'RE GONNA DO A KIND OF A QUICK GENERAL IT GENERAL ITEM UPDATE, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT OUR AI STRATEGY AND, AND SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WORK THERE. AND SO I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT WE FOCUS IN FIVE MAIN FOCUS AREAS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT SECURITY, OF COURSE, FOUNDATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE, DRIVING VALUE IMPACT, OUR CUSTOMER FOCUS AND INNOVATION IN AND OF ITSELF. SO SOME OF THE GENERAL UPDATES THAT I HAVE TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT IS THAT WE IS IN TERMS OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT AND WE'VE TALKED IN ABOUT SECURITY IN THE PAST AND IN A NUMBER OF THESE TOPICS, IT'S, THAT'S THE GAME IS WE HAVE TO CONTINUOUSLY BE IMPROVING. UM, THIS YEAR WE STARTED WORKING WITH OUR VCSO AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PARTNERS TO UPDATE OUR INCIDENT RESPONSE PLAN, WHICH WILL BE LEADING INTO SOME TABLETOP EXERCISES THAT THE TEAM WILL BE PERFORMING LATER THIS YEAR. UM, WE ALSO HAVE FOUND A WAY TO AUGMENT OUR THIRD PARTY RISK ASSESSMENT, AND THAT THAT'S PROVING OUT VERY WELL WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT ONLY THE VENDORS THAT WE UTILIZE, BUT ALSO THE SECURITY STACK THAT WE UTILIZE, AND LOOKING AT THAT TO GIVE US A GOOD IDEA FOR WHERE WE ARE WITH CURRENT THREAT LANDSCAPES, THE TOOLS THAT WE'RE UTILIZING, HOW THAT TRANSLATES INTO BUDGET. SO THAT'S, THAT'S PROVIDING A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION FOR US. AND THEN A QUICK REMINDER THAT YOU'LL SEE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT OCTOBER IS CYBERSECURITY MONTHS. SO WE'LL BE DOING A LOT OF DIFFERENT AWARENESS VIDEOS, STAFF TRAINING AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS WELL WITHIN OUR FOUNDATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND TIED TO SECURITY AS WELL. WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF GETTING TOWARD THE RECONFIGURATION OF OUR NETWORK TO UTILIZE OUR DATA CENTER RESOURCES A BIT DIFFERENTLY, REALLY IMPROVING SOME OF OUR REDUNDANCY AND RESILIENCY UTILIZING DOUBLING TO GET AROUND TO THOSE LOCATIONS. AND AGAIN, STEPS TAKEN IN OUR ZERO TRUST ARCHITECTURE IMPLEMENTATION. ON THE SOLUTIONS AND SERVICES SIDE, ONE OF THE LARGE ENDEAVORS THIS YEAR THAT'S HAPPENING IS THE HUMAN CAPITAL MANAGEMENT OR HR AND PAYROLL SYSTEM THAT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED. AND THAT'S A VERY COMPLEX, UM, PROJECT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON, BUT IT IS ON SCHEDULE TO START USE WITHIN JANUARY. WE ALSO HAVE SPENT TIME WITH OUR SUPPORT DESK WHERE WE WORKED ON STRATEGY, WE WORKED ON GOALS, ENGAGEMENT, UM, WE WORKED ON EXPECTATIONS AND HOW THAT TRANSLATES [03:50:01] INTO DIFFERENT SERVICE LEVELS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE WITH THE TOOLS AND THE AUTOMATION AND SOME OF THE DIFFERENT AI TOOLS THAT WE CAN UTILIZE WITHIN OUR SOFTWARES TO STACK. AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'RE NEVER DONE RESEARCHING AND DISCOVERING NEW THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO MAKE THEIR LIVES BETTER. AND I THOUGHT I'D TAKE JUST A SECOND TO WALK THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH YOU ALL. UM, SOME EMAILS THAT HAD GONE AROUND ABOUT HOW WE APPROACH AI TOOLS IN SPECIFIC, BUT OUR SOLUTION IMPLEMENTATION FRAMEWORK IS THAT WE REALLY RELY ON OUR PARTNERS BENCHMARKING, GOING TO CONFERENCES, RESEARCH, DOUBLE INNOVATION, AND OTHERS TO IDENTIFY PROBLEM STATEMENTS OR OPPORTUNITY STATEMENTS. AND THEN WE START LOOKING AT THE MARKET AND WE UTILIZE SOME OF OUR VENDORS LIKE INFOTECH RESOURCES, GARTNER AND OTHERS TO FIND OUT WHAT'S OUT THERE IN THE MARKET, WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR HERE IN DUBLIN. AND THEN WE START OUR PROCESS WHERE WE START TO IDENTIFY AND HONE IN ON A SOLUTION THAT'S APPLICABLE TO OUR CUSTOMER AND SOMETHING THAT FITS OUR, WITHIN OUR TECH ENVIRONMENT, WE DO OUR SERIES OF ASSESSMENTS WHERE WE LOOK AT IT FROM A SECURITY PERSPECTIVE, TECHNICAL FIT PERSPECTIVE. WE START IDENTIFYING KIND OF, YOU COULD SAY READINESS. WE, WE IDENTIFY WHAT DATA IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH THIS, WHO NEEDS ACCESS, WHERE, WHAT CONDITION IS THE DATA IN? IS IT A NEW DATA SOURCE? IS IT PURELY PROCEDURAL? IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S RETRIEVABLE OR ANALYTICAL? AND THEN WE WALK THROUGH OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS WITH OUR FINANCE TEAM, AND THEN WE SET UP OUR IMPLEMENTATION AND, AND IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO OUTLINE THAT FOR YOU SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS HOW WE APPROACH ANY ADOPTION, ANY CHANGE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT, BUDGET TIME OR LIFECYCLE MANAGEMENT, WHEN WE DO DEEM THAT A SOLUTION NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, WE FOLLOW THIS PROCESS. WHEN SOMEONE BRINGS US A GREAT NEW IDEA OR THE THOUGHT OF A PIECE OF SOFTWARE, WE FOLLOW THIS PROCESS AS WELL. SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE INTO THE AI UPDATE, AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT LOOK. IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, UM, WE DID A PRESENTATION ABOUT KIND OF A TOOL SMORGASBORD, IF YOU WILL. THESE ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TOOLS THAT WE'RE UTILIZING AND, AND WHAT TYPES OF ACTIVITIES THOSE ARE FOUR. AND I ALSO WANTED TO GIVE YOU A PEEK INTO HOW WE THINK ABOUT THIS MORE HOLISTICALLY. EXCUSE ME. SO EVERYTHING IS A KIND OF A MATURITY PATHWAY. AND WHEN YOU THINK OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT, THIS IS VERY PERTINENT HERE BECAUSE THE RATE OF CHANGE WITH AI SPECIFIC TECHNOLOGY, NOT JUST ALL TECHNOLOGIES, IS SO EXPONENTIALLY FAST. IT'S REALLY HARD TO KEEP UP. SO AT ANY GIVEN TIME, WE'RE ANYWHERE ALONG THIS CONTINUUM AND CONSTANTLY STARTING OVER AND ANYWHERE WITHIN ONE OF THESE BUCKETS AND CONSTANTLY STARTING OVER JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. BUT WHAT WE STARTED TO FOLLOW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WAS LOOKING AT WHAT'S OUT THERE, WHAT'S AVAILABLE, WHAT ARE PEOPLE DOING AND USING. SO OUR SECURITY AND GOVERNANCE SIDE OF THINGS, WE WORKED ON GETTING SOME VISIBILITY TOOLS SO THAT WE COULD SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE AT WORK. WHAT ARE PEOPLE STARTING TO LOOK AT, WHAT ARE PEOPLE STARTING TO DO? THIS ALSO GAVE US THE ABILITY TO BLOCK A COUPLE OF EARLY TOOLS THAT WEREN'T SUITABLE FOR, FOR GENERAL WORK, IF NOT EVEN GOVERNMENT WORK. UM, BUT AS WE STARTED TO GROW THAT AND WE STARTED TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING, THIS GAVE US A LOT OF INSIGHT AND, AND WAYS TO GO INTO THE ORGANIZATION TO START TALKING ABOUT AI AND, AND WHAT'S OUT THERE. SO WE START MONITORING, WE START LEARNING, WE START DOWN A PATH WITH OUR TECHNICAL TEAM OF, OF KIND OF DEEP LEARNING WITH THAT. AND WE RELY ON A LOT OF RESOURCES. SO WE WERE ONE OF THE, I THINK WE WERE THE FIRST CITY IN THE STATE OF OHIO TO JOIN THE GOV AI COALITION THAT'S OUTTA SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA. AND THAT WAS A REALLY GREAT RESOURCE THAT WAS A TEAM OF GOVERNMENTS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT PUT TOGETHER BASELINE POLICIES, STARTED TO DO RESEARCH, SHARE VENDOR INSIGHT AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS WELL. AND THEN WE ALSO RELY ON OUR OTHER PARTNERS, GARTNER INFOTECH, OUR VCSO. AND EVEN HERE IN OHIO. OHIO X IS A VERY STRONG COMPONENT WHERE, UH, THEY, THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC AI ROUND TABLE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT JIM AND I PARTICIPATE IN. ACTUALLY, THERE'S A MEETING COMING UP THIS WEEK AND THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN VITAL FOR HELPING US BOUNCE IDEAS, GET IDEAS, VET IDEAS, FIND NEW THINGS TO GO OUT THERE AND, AND LOOK AT WHAT TO DO. SO THAT LED TO US CRAFTING OUR AI INTERNAL AO POLICY, WHICH FITS INTO OUR SECURITY PROGRAM. SO THAT SNAPS IN WITH OUR GENERAL DATA USE DATA OR TECHNOLOGY USE POLICY. AND IT IS A BIT SPECIFIC AROUND AI AND AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVE. SO WE NEED TO START DOING, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE NEXT ITERATION OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR FUTURE GROWTH. SO THEN WE START WORKING INTO REAL USAGE AND STARTING TO SEE REAL USAGE PATTERNS AND, AND USE CASES. AND SO WE, WE THINK OF IT IN TERMS OF EXPERIMENTATION AND AWARENESS BUILDING. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND YOU ALL HAVE BROUGHT TO US AS WELL. AND WE WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS IN HR THAT THIS IS JUST SO FOUNDATIONALLY DIFFERENT FOR THE WORKFORCE. SO IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT AND HOW AND WHERE CAN PEOPLE BE HELPED WITH THIS? WHAT'S THEIR LEVEL OF ACCEPTANCE OR READINESS TO TAKE SOME OF THESE STEPS AND TO UTILIZE SOME OF THESE TOOLS. AND IT ALSO HELPS US DEVELOP PROGRAMMING TO GET OUT THERE SO THAT WE CAN HELP THEM WITH THAT FURTHER. [03:55:01] SO WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON TRYING TO BUILD SOME AWARENESS, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING, LOOKING AT GENERAL USE CASE ADOPTION. AND WE START TO SEE A VERY SIMILAR PATTERNS TO MANY ORGANIZATIONS AND INDUSTRIES. THE GENERAL USE TOOLS ARE BEING USED TO EDIT AND REVIEW AND REWRITE, HELP PEOPLE START WITH CREATING CONTENT, HELP PEOPLE ANSWER QUESTIONS TO MOVE FORWARD. AND WE START TO SEE MORE AND MORE USE CASES START TO RISE AS WE SPEND MORE TIME LOOKING AT THIS. BUT THIS AGAIN GIVES US A GREAT INSIGHT INTO TOOLS PEOPLE ARE USING AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHICH LED TO US KIND OF REALLY DIVING IN A BIT MORE WITH MICROSOFT COPILOT. SO WE, WE DO UTILIZE MICROSOFT QUITE A BIT HERE, AND THAT'S A NO BRAINER ALMOST FOR US BECAUSE IT WORKS SO WELL IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. AND SO AS WE STARTED ROLLING OUT LICENSING FOR COPILOT THAT CAME WITH SOME DISCUSSION WITH WHO RECEIVED THE LICENSE, WHAT TYPES OF THINGS WOULD THEY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO WITH THIS, WHAT TYPE OF TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE OUT THERE, UM, AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS WELL. AND WE START TO MONITOR AND WATCH AS PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THESE TOOLS, WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DO AND WHERE ARE THEY USING THIS? SO THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT IN TIME AND IT'S SHOWING THAT, SO MICROSOFT COPILOT WORKS ACROSS ALL THE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS AS WELL AS ITS OWN STANDALONE TOOL. AND MANY PEOPLE JUST USE THE STANDALONE TOOL AND THAT'S OKAY. BUT WITH MICROSOFT, A HUGE BENEFIT IS THAT IT'S BAKED INTO EXCEL FOR ANALYSIS, IT'S BAKED INTO OUTLOOK. SO AS WE CONTINUE WITH EDUCATION AND AWARENESS BUILDING, WE START TO SEE THE USAGE OF THOSE GROW MORE AND MORE. AND SO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HR AND TALENT AND TRAINING COORDINATOR, UM, WE WORK THROUGH A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO EDUCATION. WE'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF OHIO TECH CRED TO PUT PEOPLE THROUGH SOME, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COURSES. WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR FIRST RUN OF A TWO PART SERIES WITH THE COMPUTER WORKSHOP TO DO TWO PRETTY INTENSIVE FOUR HOUR SESSIONS OF LEARNING AND UTILIZING CO-PILOT WITHIN OUR ENVIRONMENT. AND THEN MANY MEMBERS OF STAFF HAVE DONE AND GONE OUT AND TAKEN INDIVIDUAL TRAINING. THEY'VE ASKED OUR TEAM, THEY'VE ASKED OUR HR PARTNERS WHAT'S OUT THERE FOR, FOR SELF-GUIDED LEARNING. AND THEN WE ALSO DO COACHING AND MENTORING. SO WE'VE GOT A NUMBER ON OUR STAFF THAT, AGAIN, WE UTILIZE OUR KIND OF VISIBILITY TOOLS TO FIND OUT, HEY, WE NOTICED YOU'RE USING THIS TOOL AND WE'RE JUST REALLY CURIOUS AND INTERESTED BECAUSE WE APPROVE OF THE TOOL. IT'S FINE. WHY DID YOU CHOOSE THIS TOOL OTHER THAN ANOTHER ONE? SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A DOUBLE PATHWAY EDUCATION. IT'S EDUCATING OUR TEAM OF THINGS WE CAN LEARN ABOUT AND THEN IT'S EDUCATING OTHERS. SO THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND TAKE IT TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE CITY AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT SO AND SO IS DOING. THIS COULD BE APPLICABLE IN YOUR, IN YOUR AREA. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LEARNED IN SOME OF OUR BENCHMARKING IS CREATING A WAY TO SHARE THESE THINGS, SHARE IDEAS, SHARE PROMPTS, SHARE AGENTS, SHARE ALL THESE TYPES OF THINGS ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION SO THAT WE CAN KEEP PUSHING THAT FURTHER. SO AS WE MOVE ALONG THE MATURITY TRAIL, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT JUST GENERAL USE AND ADOPTION, BUT YOU KNOW, KEEPING THAT GOING AND ROLLING AND TRYING TO KEEP THAT, THAT POSITIVE MOMENTUM THERE. BUT ALSO LOOKING AT VERY SPECIFIC DEPLOYED TOOLS, WHETHER IT'S AUTOMATIONS OR WHETHER IT'S A SPECIFIC TOOL FOR SPECIFIC USE CASES. AND THAT TAKES US BACK IN TIME TO OCTOBER WHERE WE DID LIST A LOT OF THOSE SPECIFIC TOOLS. BUT WHAT WE HAVE STARTED TO DO IS REALLY KEEP AN INVENTORY OF WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE EITHER PURCHASED, CREATED OTHER TEAMS HAVE CREATED THAT'S BEING UTILIZED AROUND THE CITY. BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT TO NEED TO KNOW ABOUT AGENTS, FOR INSTANCE. WE NEED TO KNOW WHO CREATES IT, WHAT THE BUSINESS USE CASE IS, WHAT DATA IT HAS ACCESS TO, HOW IT'S RUNNING AND ALL THESE TYPES OF THINGS. AND THEN WE KEEP TRACK OF THINGS THAT WE'VE TRIED AND RETIRED. WE KEEP TRACK OF THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN PRODUCTION. WE KEEP TRACK OF THINGS THAT ARE IN THE PILOT PHASE. AND THIS HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL, AGAIN, WITH THAT IDEA OF SHARING KIND OF ORGANIZATIONALLY AT THAT HIGHER LEVEL. AND WE START TO SEE A LOT OF VALUE WITH AUTOMATION. SO THAT'S NOT JUST A PURE AI PLAY, BUT THESE ARE INTERRELATED IN THE MICROSOFT WORLD AT LEAST. AND WE HAVE POCKETS OF FOLKS AROUND THE CITY THAT HAVE STARTED TO LOOK AT UTILIZING AUTOMATION TOOLS TO HELP WITH DAILY PROCESSING. AND THOSE ARE GREAT THINGS TO TARGET. SO FOR INSTANCE, PCARD APPROVAL PROCESSES OR WHEN RESIDENTS SUBMIT, TELL DUBLIN REQUESTS, THOSE ARE ACTED UPON AND TAKEN CARE OF IN ONE WAY, BUT THE DATA ITSELF IS ACTUALLY MANAGED AND STARTED TO BE MANAGED THROUGH A DATA FLOW THAT THEN FEEDS INTO OUR AGENTS THAT ARE ANALYZING QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AND FOR FUTURE ANSWERS TO, TO MAKE THAT THAT BETTER. AND THEN LOOKING THROUGH DIFFERENT PLACES. WHEN N REC IS AN INTERESTING ONE, THEY WORK WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND DATA'S PASSING BACK AND FORTH AND EMAILS AND REQUESTS AND TO MANAGE ALL THAT FLOW, IT REALLY FREES PEOPLE UP TO START DOING OTHER THINGS WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THE, THE PROCESSING PART IS BEING DONE BY SOME OF THE TOOLS. AND THEN SOME OF THE FOCUSED APPLICATIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE MICROSOFT UNIVERSE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GRAY MAIL FILTERING AND, AND THERE'S THIS NOTION OF ACTIVE AND PASSIVE AI. UM, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES, BUT ALSO SOME SECURITY TOOLS AND USE CASES THAT WE, WE'VE BEEN SEEING MEETING MANAGEMENT, SO CLERK MINUTES ONBOARD SOME OF THOSE TOOLS, MADISON AI AND THEN A BUNCH OF THE SPECIFIC TOOLS THAT WE DID SHARE IN [04:00:01] OCTOBER THAT ARE EITHER BAKED INTO SOME OF OUR GENERAL SOFTWARE PLATFORMS OR BEING USED BY DIFFERENT TEAMS AROUND THE CITY AND SOME SPECIFIC EFFICIENCIES. WHEN WE LOOK AT AI EFFICIENCIES, WE START TO THINK OF ACTIVE AND PASSIVE. SO ACTIVE IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REMOVING STEPS FROM PROCESSES OR WE'RE REMOVING MINUTES FROM PROCESSES OR HOURS FROM DAYS. AND A COUPLE THAT WE HAVE THAT I THINK ARE REALLY INTERESTING EARLY KIND OF INDICATIONS THAT THIS IS WORKING IS WITH OUR TECH SOFTWARE THAT'S NOT JUST A PUBLIC FACING TAX SYSTEM TO COLLECT INFORMATION THAT'S A PROCESSING SYSTEM ON THE BACKEND. AND THAT TEAM IS, THEY HAD A VACANCY, WE'RE RECONSIDERING UTILIZING THAT VACANCY SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY BECAUSE THEIR PROCESSING TIME HAS GONE AWAY. SO THAT FREES OUR TAX AUDITORS TO AUDIT, TO ANALYZE, TO FIND AND RECOVER MORE INCOME POTENTIALLY. AND REAL SIMILARLY, WITHIN THE POLICE PROPERTY INTAKE, EVERY WARRANT THEY SERVE GENERATES, TENS, FIFTIES, HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT HAVE TO BE LOGGED. AND SO A PROCESS WAS DEVELOPED THAT COMBINES AUTOMATION AND SOME IMAGE RECOGNITION TO REALLY HELP THAT MOVE ALONG FASTER, FREEING UP OFFICERS AND DETECTIVES TO SPEND MORE TIME LOOKING AT THE EVIDENCE INSTEAD OF JUST LOGGING IN. AND THEN WE DO HAVE THINGS WORKING IN THE BACKGROUND. SO WE, AGAIN, GRAY MAIL, IT DOESN'T SOUND ALL THAT GREAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS THE JUNK, THIS IS THE STUFF THAT WE DON'T NEED TO SEE EVERY DAY THAT WE NEED TO CHECK IN ON AND MAYBE SEE IT. BUT YOU KNOW, WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR PEOPLE WERE SAYING, HOW CAN I HELP MY INBOX? THIS IS REAL TIME SAVINGS. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AS WE WORK WITH VENDORS, WE TRY TO FIND THE VENDORS THAT HAVE SOME EFFICIENCY TOOLS BAKED IN. SOME OF IT'S A BIT HARD TO GRASP AT THE MOMENT AND IT'S ADO AND WE JUST HEAR PEOPLE SAY, YOU SAVED ME A COUPLE HOURS OF MY DAY EVERY WEEK. AND WE LOOK AT THEIR SMILE AND THAT'S GOOD, BUT WHEN WE CAN FIND NUMBERS AND WE CAN FIND EFFICIENCY MEASURES, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HONING IN ON. AND SO THEN AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS ALL CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT AND CONTINUOUS PATHWAYS FORWARD AND BACKWARDS, UM, EMBEDDED AS BUSINESS DDNA IS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK A LOT OF COMPANIES TALK ABOUT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE HEARD THE GREAT IDEA OF WHAT THAT REALLY IS, BUT TO ME THAT'S BUILDING A CULTURE THAT'S BUILDING A FRAMEWORK THAT WE, THAT CAN LAST SO THAT AS WE IDENTIFY NEW THINGS AS THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, THAT WE'RE READY TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THAT WHERE IT'S NECESSARY AND ENABLE. AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE ARE BIGGER THINGS, BIGGER THINGS WHERE WE WANT TO KEEP PUSHING ON THAT GENERAL PRODUCTIVITY, EFFICIENCY AUTOMATION BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING REAL GAINS THERE. WE WANNA LOOK AT SOME OF OUR OTHER INTERNAL SYSTEMS. WE HAVE SOME SYSTEMS THAT ARE KIND OF TECH DEBT, A LITTLE AGING INSTEAD OF GETTING BRAND NEW SYSTEMS, SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY ABOUT DATA ACCESS AND HOW CAN WE MAKE BETTER USE OF ALL OF THAT. SOME SPECIFIC TOPIC AREAS WE'RE LOOKING AT AS PLAN AND PERMIT COMPLIANCE REVIEW. THAT'S, THAT'S AN AREA THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN OUR CUSTOMER AND CONSTITUENT RELATIONSHIP MANAGEMENT OR CRMS, SERVICE DELIVERY, DIGITAL IDENTITY. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE BIG AREAS THAT WE'RE KIND OF KEEPING AN EYE ON AND LOOKING FOR WHAT COULD HELP AT A, AT A BIT LARGER OF A SCALE AND A SCALE THAT MIGHT BE MORE PUBLIC FACING. UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT AGAIN, ANYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE, WE LOOK AT WITHIN OUR FOCUS AREAS AND WE LOOK AT WHERE WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE SAFE AND SECURE. THE ACCESS TO THE DATA IS CORRECT. THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THE ACCESS TO THE DATA IS CORRECT IN ALL OF THOSE STEPS. SO THAT IS A VERY QUICK AND ABBREVIATED AI UPDATE WITH OUR STRATEGY AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WELL GREAT. THANK YOU BRANDON. COUNCIL QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? YOU WERE SO GOOD. YOU ANSWERED EVERY QUESTION BEFORE WE HAD A CHANCE TO EVEN ASK IT. I'VE BEEN WAITING ALL NIGHT. NAILED IT. ALRIGHT. ALWAYS HAPPY TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM IN THE FUTURE THOUGH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY, UP NEXT WE WILL HAVE OUR Q3 PUBLIC SAFETY BRIEFING AND STAFF REPORT WILL BE FORWARDED BY CHIEF. LOOKS LIKE DEPUTY CHIEF LATTANZI MIGHT BE WAITING IN THE WINGS TO CHIME IN. GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY BRIEFING FOR THE THIRD QUARTER THIS EVENING. UM, AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST, UH, OUR GOALS REMAIN THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION AND UPDATE. AND OUR, UH, COMMITMENT IS TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE, UH, ACCOMPLISHING THOSE GOALS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IN PUBLIC AND, UH, ENSURING PUBLIC SAFETY THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. UM, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE METRICS AND WHERE WE ARE POSITIONED PRESENTLY, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE PRESENTING THIS EVENING, UH, ARE, UH, THE DATA THAT WE HAVE COLLECTED, UH, TO THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER FOR THIS YEAR. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, UM, THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC IN THE CITY MANAGER REPORT MONTHLY. AND ADDITIONALLY, THESE NUMBERS ARE COMPARATIVE TO THE SAME TIMEFRAMES, UH, FOR THE RESPECTIVE YEARS OF 2025 AND 2024. UM, TRENDS THAT WE ARE TRACKING AND MONITORING AND, AND CERTAINLY WORKING ON, UH, THIS YEAR, UP TO THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER, UH, WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN OVERALL THEFT OFFENSES, THEFT [04:05:01] FROM VEHICLE BREAKING AND ENTERING OFFENSES AND BURGLARY OFFENSES RELATIVE TO THE SAME TIME PERIOD, UH, IN 2025. NOW, UH, THESE NUMBERS, AGAIN, WE HAVE VERY LOW NUMBERS AND DUBLIN, DUBLIN CONTINUES TO BE A VERY SAFE COMMUNITY, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO COMMIT TO MAKING SURE THAT IS THE CASE. UM, THOSE, UH, INCREASES IN OVERALL THEFT. THEFT FROM VEHICLES, UH, AND BREAKING AND ENTERING OFFENSES ARE ACTUALLY STILL LOWER THAN THE, THE SAME TIME PERIOD IN 2024 RELATIVE, BUT HIGHER THAN THEY WERE IN 2025. SO JUST TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT TO WHERE THAT SITS PRESENTLY, AND WE'LL BREAK DOWN SOME OF THESE CATEGORIES AS WE TALK A LITTLE FURTHER IN THE PRESENTATION. UM, WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN BURGLARY OFFENSES RELATIVE TO THE SAME TIME PERIOD LAST YEAR IN 2025. BUT THAT'S SIX TOTAL REPORTS FOR THE FIRST, UM, UH, EIGHT MONTHS OF THE YEAR, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY. UH, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL YEARS WHERE WE'VE BEEN TRACKING INTENTIONALLY MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT AND ATTEMPTED THEFT. UM, THIS YEAR TO THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER, WE HAVE ABOUT HALF THE NUMBER OF REPORTS COMPARATIVE TO THAT POINT LAST YEAR. SO CERTAINLY GOOD PROGRESS, UH, IN THAT AREA. UH, SEEN AN, UH, DECREASE IN OVERALL TRAFFIC CRASH REPORTS AND SERIOUS INJURY CRASHES. THERE'S STILL ONE CATEGORY WITHIN THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC CRASHES THAT WE'LL TALK A LITTLE ABOUT LATER, AS RELATIVE TO OVI CRASHES THAT WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON. UM, AND THEN OUR, UH, INVESTMENT AND FOCUS ON TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR CONTINUES TO, UH, REMAIN A, A HIGH PRIORITY FOR OUR OFFICERS EACH AND EVERY DAY, UH, FROM A CRITICAL INCIDENT PREPAREDNESS AND RES UH, PREPAREDNESS AND RESPONSE. UH, CERTAINLY HAPPY TO END THE SUMMER IN OUR MAJOR EVENT IN THE DUBLIN IRISH FESTIVAL SUCCESSFULLY WITHOUT ANY MAJOR INCIDENTS. WE, UH, CONTINUE TO LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO PREPARE FOR AN ADDITIONAL, UH, SPECIAL EVENT THIS YEAR TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR WITH THE, THE MARKET. UM, IN AUGUST, WE DID HAVE AN INCIDENT THAT WAS CERTAINLY CONCERNING, BUT, UH, I WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO THE DETECTIVES AND OFFICERS THAT WORKED ON THIS SITUATION. IT WAS A ROAD RAGE INCIDENT THAT STARTED ON THE HIGHWAY. IT ENDED UP IN THE CITY. UM, THEY WERE QUICKLY ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOME INFORMATION THAT LED TO SOME SUSPECTS AND EVENTUALLY CHARGE SOMEBODY AND HOLD SOMEBODY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT SCARY INCIDENT. UM, AND, AND GRATEFUL TO THE DETECTIVES AND THE OFFICERS WHO WORKED DILIGENTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS RESOLVED SUCCESSFULLY. UH, AND THEN THIS YEAR HAS PROVIDED US AN ABUNDANCE OF OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO WEATHER COLLECTIVELY. UM, AS A CITY AND ALL CITY STAFF, I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT, UH, AND RECOGNITION, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR UPDATE TO THE N REC STAFF, UH, FOR THE STORM AT THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST, TAKING NEARLY 700 CALLS, UM, AND SEVERAL HUNDRED CALLS OF BOTH POLICE AND FIRE AND DISPATCHING NOT ONLY FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN, BUT OTHER, UH, OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WELL, INCLUDING UPPER ARLINGTON, UH, WORTHINGTON AND HILLIARD, UH, FROM A THEFT FROM VEHICLE PERSPECTIVE, BREAKING DOWN THAT INFORMATION. UM, 76 TOTAL REPORTS, UH, THIS YEAR, 38 OF THOSE. SO HALF OF THOSE, UM, ARE UNLOCKED VEHICLES WHERE THERE'S NO SIGN OF FORCED ENTRY. SO, AGAIN, THE REMINDERS THAT WE CONTINUE, UM, TO TRY TO SHARE AS ACTIVELY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. LOCK YOUR VEHICLE. UH, REMEMBER YOUR KEYS. TAKE EVERYTHING FROM THE CAR WITH YOU, INCLUDING FIREARMS. UM, 30 OF THOSE INSTANCES DID INCLUDE, UM, BROKEN WINDOWS. AND THEN, UH, AN EIGHT NUMBER OF REPORTS HAVE BEEN EXTERIOR OF THE VEHICLES. AND, UH, CATALYTIC CONVERTERS TYPICALLY FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY, AND WE DON'T SEE THAT VERY OFTEN, BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE TRY TO KEEP TRACK OF. 'CAUSE WHEN THEY DO HAPPEN, UM, THEY TEND TO HAPPEN, UH, IN, IN SERIES, UM, BUT ALSO SOME REALLY GOOD WORK BY THE OFFICERS. UH, TWO, UH, OCCASIONS LISTED THERE ON THE SLIDE ARE OFFICERS INVESTIGATING AND WE'RE ABLE TO HOLD ACCOUNTABLE INDIVIDUALS BEING IN THE RIGHT PLACES, UH, LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT ACTIVITY, AND THEN SEIZING THE OPPORTUNITY AGAIN TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE OCCASION. THEY'RE INVOLVED IN THAT ACTIVITY IN OUR COMMUNITY ON THE BURGLARY AND BREAKING AND ENTERING OFFENSES AND THE BREAKING AND ENTERING CATEGORY, IN PARTICULAR, 19 TOTAL REPORTS. SEVEN OF THOSE OCCASIONS ARE ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE AFTERMATH OF THE, UH, APARTMENTS BEING VACANT AT ASHERTON AFTER THE FIRE, WHICH IS REALLY SAD. I DID TALK TO CHIEF DONAHUE, WHO, UM, UH, EMPHASIZED THAT THEY DID HAVE CONVERSATION BEFORE THEY RELEASED THE PROPERTY BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT WORKING WITH THE SECURITY TEAM TO BE THERE ON SITE. AND NEITHER THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT OR POLICE DEPARTMENT STICKS AROUND, UH, INDEFINITELY AFTER THOSE EVENTS. BUT WE, THEY DID GIVE RECOMMENDATION TO GET A SECURITY TEAM THERE. UH, BUT SOMETHING CERTAINLY WE WANNA KEEP IN MIND AND PAY ATTENTION TO, UH, SHOULD THERE BE AN OCCASION FOR THOSE EVENTS TO OCCUR IN OTHER PLACES IN THE COMMUNITY IN THE FUTURE. UM, ON THE BURGLARY FRONT, 22 REPORTS TOTAL THIS YEAR. UM, EIGHT OF THOSE INVOLVED UNLOCKED OR, UH, GARAGES OR, UH, UNLOCKED DOORS AND SIX, UH, UNLOCKED WINDOWS. UM, SO STILL, AGAIN, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE EMPHASIZE THE, UH, POINTS OF PREVENTION TO THE COMMUNITY IN, IN LOCKING ALL FACILITIES, UM, OR BUILDINGS WHEN YOU'RE AWAY FROM, FROM THEM. UM, ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, HAVE 11 CASES THAT WE'VE SOLVED SUCCESSFULLY THIS YEAR, INCLUDING, UH, SOME, UH, BURGLARY INCIDENTS. UH, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT BECAUSE HE'S OUT IN THE LOBBY AND HAS BEEN, UH, WITH US THIS EVENING TO OFFICER GUY COLLISON. UM, SO, UH, ON AUGUST 4TH, HE IDENTIFIED AND CONNECTED SOME INCIDENTS THAT HAPPENED IN UPPER ARLINGTON AND LINKED TO SUSPECTS, UM, THAT WERE INVOLVED IN DUBLIN BURGLARIES AS WELL. JUST A GOOD, UH, ASTUTE OF, UH, ASTUTE ATTENTION ON HIS PART AND GOOD WORK IN, IN THE INVESTIGATIONS. AND THEN HE JUST INFORMED ME EARLIER TODAY BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED THAT HE ACTUALLY, UM, [04:10:01] IDENTIFIED A SUSPECT, UH, AND CHARGED THEM WITH RECEIVING STOLEN PROPERTY OUT OF ONE OF THOSE INCIDENTS AT ASHERTON. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY POSSIBLE INVOLVEMENT WITH, UH, THE OTHER OFFENSES THAT HAVE OCCURRED. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK GUY FOR HIS, UH, CONTINUED WORK IN ADDITION TO THE DUTIES, UH, HE'S PROVIDING THIS EVENING, UM, FROM A BURGLARY PREVENTION, UH, STANDPOINT, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE EMPHASIZE FOR THE PUBLIC THAT CLOSING THE GARAGE DOORS, LOCKING WINDOWS, SETTING THE ALARM IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE AWAY AND THEN REQUESTING A VACATION HOUSE WATCH, CERTAINLY ARE WAYS THAT CAN HELP US, UH, PREVENT THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THOSE ACTIVITIES MAY CONTINUE IN THE FUTURE FROM A TRAFFIC SAFETY UPDATE. UH, IN, UH, JULY, THERE WAS AN ENTIRE WEEK THAT THE TRAFFIC TEAM AND OUR PATROL OFFICERS, UH, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE OHIO STATE HIGHWAY PATROL WORKED, UH, OVER SEVERAL DAYS TO, UH, WORK TARGETED ENFORCEMENT ON THE HIGHWAY. I KNOW THAT THAT IS A CONCERN THAT WE GET, CERTAINLY AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, AND I, I HAVE NO DOUBT HERE AT, AT COUNCIL LEVEL ON OCCASION, JUST WANTED TO LET, UH, THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THERE ARE OCCASIONS WHERE WE PARTNER WITH ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON THOSE AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY. UH, AND THEN IN AUGUST, UH, NIGHTTIME JOINT SPEED OPERATIONS AS WELL WITH HI THE HIGHWAY PATROL IN USING THEIR, UH, AIRCRAFT SUPPORT OVERHEAD. UM, AND, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO COMMIT TO THOSE OCCASIONS, UH, PERIODICALLY WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OTHER AGENCIES TO HELP KEEP THE HIGHWAY, UH, SAFE, UH, THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY AND IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AS WELL. AND THEN I MENTIONED EARLIER THE TRAFFIC CRASHES THAT INVOLVED OVI STILL WATCHING A TREND OF, UH, THAT, UH, UM, UPTICK THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, REALLY, UH, SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT AND ATTENTION FROM OUR TRAFFIC OFFICERS AND FROM OUR PATROL OFFICERS, UM, AND AHEAD OF, UH, WHERE WE WERE IN THIS POINT LAST YEAR IN OVI ENFORCEMENT, TRAFFIC STOPS, UH, AND THEN CERTAINLY, UH, A, A SUBSTANTIAL FOCUS ON SPEEDING, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY CONTINUALLY. UH, AND THEN JUST A QUICK CHECK IN BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY CHIEF TABER, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THE MICRO MOBILITY. UM, THE BUSINESS DISTRICT UNIT CONTINUES TO STAY ACTIVE AND IS, UH, EVENTS ARE PLANNED, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THEY STAY ENGAGED WITH THE PARTNERS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PREPARED FOR THOSE THINGS, UH, THAT COULD IMPACT THE, UH, THOSE AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY WITH DENSE POPULATION OR DENSE ACTIVITY, UH, AND THEN WORKING WITH OUR PATROL TEAMS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS SHARED. UM, SO I THANK THEM FOR THEIR CONTINUED FOCUS AND DEVOTION IN THOSE AREAS. AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY CHIEF TAMNICK TO TALK ABOUT OUR MICRO MOBILITY EFFORTS. THANK YOU, CHIEF. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. SO IT'S MY PLEASURE TO PRESENT AN UPDATE ON THE MICRO MOBILITY, OUR RIDE SMART RIDE SAFE, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES IN THIS FORUM. AND I WANNA JUST START WITH, AS YOU RECALL, UH, WE STARTED WITH AN EDUCATION FIRST APPROACH THROUGHOUT APRIL AND JULY, AND WE'VE WORKED INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN ENFORCEMENT PHASE, WHICH I'LL GET TO IN THE NEXT SLIDE. BUT SPECIFIC TO THE EDUCATION, I DO WANNA GIVE KUDOS TO OUR PARTNERS AT TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY, AND THEN ALSO OUR PARTNERS AT COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING FOR AMPLIFYING THIS MESSAGE. THIS IS, THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE WAYS THAT WE ENGAGE WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO PROVIDE THAT EDUCATION, TRY TO GET VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE AND SPREAD THE MESSAGE ABOUT THE NEW REGULATIONS, SPECIFICALLY THE LINK AHEAD PODCAST, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF DOING WITH DOING, UH, WITH JEANNIE WILLIS. AND THEN I WANT TO SHOUT OUT OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS FOR SEVERAL THINGS UP THERE IN OUR BIKE UNIT. THERE WAS A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT WITH DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS. THEY WERE GREAT PARTNERS WITH US. AGAIN, TO AMPLIFY THAT SAFETY MESSAGE. AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT, I SENT SOME DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE OUT TO OUR SUPERVISORS ON JULY 29TH. SO IF YOU THINK OF APRIL THROUGH JULY, A LITTLE BIT OVER 90 DAYS, OR ALMOST 120 DAYS, WHERE WE HAD A REALLY GOOD EDUCATIONAL INITIATIVE AND CAMPAIGN, AND THEN MOVED INTO A, A PHASE WHERE, UH, ENFORCEMENT BECAME AN OPTION. AND YOU COULD SEE SOME OF THE PARTICULARS THERE IN, IN THE GUIDANCE THAT, THAT I DIRECTED WHERE A CITATION SHOULD BE WRITTEN IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. AND IMPORTANTLY, IT'S A, IT'S A CITATION WRITTEN FOR NOT ONLY THE JUVENILE TYPICALLY IN THIS SITUATION, BUT ALSO YOU ALL PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFICALLY PRESENTED SOME ACCOUNTABILITY FOR PARENTS AS WELL. SO, AS FAR AS THE UPDATE AND, AND SOME NUMBERS RELATED TO THAT TIME WINDOW HERE, UH, APRIL 8TH THROUGH THE END OF AUGUST, WE RECEIVED AND, AND WE HEARD COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO OFFERED, UH, COMPLAINTS TO US. SO 119 COMPLAINTS THERE, UH, THESE NUMBERS WILL NOT ALL ADD UP. THERE ARE SOME, FOR EXAMPLE, WE GET A COMMUNITY COMPLAINT, OUR OFFICER GETS TO THE AREA AND DOESN'T SEE WHATEVER IT IS THE COMMUNITY MEMBER OBSERVED. BUT YOU COULD SEE THERE WAS SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR WARNINGS HERE. A COUPLE OF THE COMMUNITY COMPLAINTS OR COMMUNITY CALLS INVOLVED TRAFFIC CRASHES AS WELL. WE ALSO DID AN AWFUL LOT OF OFFICER INITIATED CONTACTS. THESE WERE BOTH EDUCATIONAL IN NATURE AND ENFORCEMENT IN NATURE, AS IT [04:15:01] SPANNED APRIL THROUGH AUGUST. AND YOU CAN SEE THE CITATIONS THAT WE ISSUED. TWO OF THESE WERE OUT OF TRAFFIC CRASHES. THREE WERE OFFICER, UH, VIOLATIONS, AND THEN WE HAVE WRITTEN A TICKET FOR THE PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY ORDINANCE. AND THEN JUST GIVE A BREAKDOWN OF JUVENILES AND ADULTS. SO THREE OF THOSE SIX WERE JUVENILES AND THREE WERE ADULTS. AND THE LAST SLIDE, OUR EDUCATION AND OUTREACH, WE, UH, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO SAY THAT WE STARTED OUR PUBLIC SAFETY UNIVERSITY. IT'S A COMBINED EFFORT WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND THEN ALSO WITH OUR PARTNERS IN N REC. WE HAVE 25, UH, PARTICIPANTS, 25 COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE PARTICIPATING IN IT. WE KICKED IT OFF A FEW WEEKS AGO. WE HAD GREAT ATTENDANCE. WE ACTUALLY DID A COOKOUT PRIOR TO, TO, TO KICKING IT OFF, AND THE CLASS WILL BE GRADUATING ON NOVEMBER 5TH. THE LAST THING I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, AGAIN, THAT STRONG PARTNERSHIP WITH DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS. WE TOOK PART IN THEIR FULL SCALE DRILL, WHICH FOCUSED ON REUNIFICATION, EXCUSE ME. ALL OF OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS TOOK PART IN THIS. A COUPLE OF OUR PATROL OFFICERS ALSO ADDED TO THAT CONTINGENT. AND IT WAS JUST, IT WAS A GREAT DAY TO WORK ON A DRILL THAT WE HOPE NEVER HAPPENS. AND WITH THAT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. FIRST, DEPUTY CHIEF, I THINK I REFERRED TO YOU AS LOOKED HANDSY INSTEAD OF TABER NECK WHEN YOU WERE WALKING UP. SO YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE MY, MY WEARY BRAIN AT THIS LATE HOUR. IT'S OKAY. YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE. . OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF. I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU, BUT SEND YOUR THANK YOU TO ALL YOUR OFFICERS. I'VE SEEN THEM OUT PARTICULARLY IN THE SCHOOL ZONES, AND IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE. IT HAS BEEN WONDERFUL THAT LIKE, ALL WEEK, I'M LIKE, WOW, PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY DRIVING 20 THROUGH ON A HARD ROAD DURING SCHOOL ZONES. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING THERE. THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK. UM, UH, THANK YOU GUYS. ON THE MICRO MOBILITY, DO YOU, DO YOU THINK WE'RE HAVING AN IMPACT YET, OR TOO EARLY OR, I MEAN, I, WE STILL SEE 'EM, BUT WE DON'T, THOSE ARE ANECDOTAL, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU SEE SOME, YOU DON'T. WHAT ARE, WHAT IS YOUR TOTAL OVERALL OBSERVATION OR THOUGHTS? AND I'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH AN ANECDOTE AS WELL. I BELIEVE WE ARE HAVING AN IMPACT. AND THEN I'LL ALSO SAY WE HAD A CHIEF'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING LAST MONTH, AND WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM TWO OF THE MEMBERS THAT HAD HEARD THE SAME THING AND OBSERVED THE SAME THING THAT THEY THINK THE EDUCATION AND THE ENFORCEMENT IS WORKING. GOOD. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE ONE CHIEF. UM, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE CRIME STATISTICS WERE UP. HOW ARE THE SOLVING STATISTICS UP AS WELL? SO WHILE WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE IN BREAKING AND ENTERING OR IN SOME OF THOSE CATEGORIES, THERE ARE, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE, UM, WE DON'T OFTEN BENCHMARK EXACTLY COMPARATIVE WHAT THE SUCCESS RATE IS. I CAN GO BACK AND, AND AT THE END OF THE YEAR, CERTAINLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN BRING BACK FROM THE, THE ANALYST. I WILL SAY I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WITH HOW MANY, UM, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REPORT, PARTICULARLY FROM THE BURGLARY AND BREAKING AND ENTERING, UM, WHERE THROUGH EITHER, UM, IT, IT RE UM, RECOVERING THE PROPERTY OR FROM SOME OTHER INVESTIGATIVE TOOLS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO LINK SOME OF THAT ACTIVITY TO OTHER AREAS OF CENTRAL OHIO, UM, AND, AND BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY RESOLVE AND HOLD ACCOUNTABLE. SO, UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ADD FOR THE PRESENTATION AT THE END OF THE YEAR. GREAT. THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER? NO. OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. UM, WE [STAFF COMMENTS ] WILL, UH, MOVE ON TO STAFF COMMENTS. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I JUST HAVE TWO BRIEF COMMENTS. UM, FIRST BEING ABOUT OUR SNOW GO DAY, UM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, ALL OF THIS RAIN WILL TURN TO SNOW AND OUR TEAM WILL BE READY. UM, THIS YEAR'S SNOW GO DAY IS OUR ANNUAL WINTER PREPAREDNESS EXERCISE, AND THAT WILL ENSURE THAT OUR STAFF IS PREPARED, EDUCATED. OUR EQUIPMENT'S READY. TECHNOLOGY'S WORKING MATERIALS ARE ON HAND, AND ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS ARE READY FOR THE SNOW AND ICE SEASON. SO THE DAY INCLUDES SNOW SCHOOL, UM, AT THE BEGINNING TO REINFORCE OUR PROCEDURES, TALK ABOUT SAFETY RESPONSIBILITIES, THEN WE WILL MOVE INTO THE RODEO, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE SERVICE CENTER, WHERE THE OPERATORS WILL PRACTICE EQUIPMENT HANDLING SKILLS. AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, UH, WE'LL HAVE SNOW ROUTE DRY RUNS AND SYSTEM TESTING. SO WE WILL HAVE ALL 22 OF OUR SNOW ROUTES STAFFED AND TESTED TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE READY TO, UH, WHEN THE WINTER WEATHER ARRIVES. AND THEN LASTLY, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO CONGRATULATE OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING TEAM ON EARNING THREE NATIONAL THREE CMA AWARDS AT THE CONFERENCE IN DENVER LAST WEEK WITH MORE THAN 1200 ENTRIES FROM 317 JURISDICTIONS FROM ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA. THE AWARDS RECOGNIZED WORK THAT SUPPORTS TRANSPARENCY, COMMUNITY [04:20:01] ENGAGEMENT, AND RESIDENT CONNECTION, AND THOSE AWARDS WERE, UM, AWARDED FOR THE CITY MANAGER REPORT, THE DUBLIN IRISH FESTIVAL ANNUAL REPORT AND THE GOOD NEIGHBOR WEEK CAMPAIGN. SO THESE HONORS, UH, NATIONAL HONORS, UH, REFLECT THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO HELPING RESIDENTS ENGAGE WITH THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE TEAM FOR CONSISTENTLY DELIVERING EXCEPTIONAL COMMUNICATIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S A VERY WELL DESERVED, UM, ACCOMPLISHMENT. SO CONGRATULATIONS, LINDSAY AND TEAM. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, THIS BRINGS US TO COUNCIL REPORTS. [COUNCIL REPORTS ] WE HAVE ONE COUNCIL REPORT TONIGHT FROM THE ADMIN COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. THE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE MET ON SEPTEMBER THE SECOND, AND WE HAD A, A FEW ITEMS I'M GONNA GIVE YOU UPDATE, AND THEN, UM, I'M GOING TO, UH, BRING FORTH A MOTION THIS EVENING. UM, FIRST WE RECEIVED OUR YEARLY UPDATE, UM, FROM JENNIFER MAGLIE ON THE CITY'S HEALTH BENEFIT PLANS AND, UH, ASSOCIATED COSTS. UM, THE COMMITTEE WAS SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY BROUGHT FORTH FOR OUR REVIEW, AND WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO BRING THEM FORTH TO COUNCIL. SO YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THEM, UM, AT THE, DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. SECOND, AS WE DO EVERY YEAR, WE LOOKED AT, UM, UPDATES TO THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER THAT VERY SMALL THINGS LARGELY THIS YEAR, BUT PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY AND REFLECT SOME OF OUR CURRENT PRACTICES DURING THIS TIME. STAFF ALSO TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH P-C-C-A-R-B AND BZA TO LOOK AT THEIR RULES AS WELL. UM, AND, UM, THERE WERE SOME UPDATES TO THAT, AND THEY HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED, AND THEY WILL BE BROUGHT FORTH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS A PART OF ALL OF THOSE RULES UPDATES ON SEPTEMBER 28TH. UM, AS YOU KNOW, OUR ANNUAL RETREAT IS APPROACHING, AND THAT PLANNING HAS BEGUN. THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT. UM, AND NOW THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE PUTTING TOGETHER SOME DRAFT AGENDAS, WORKING WITH STAFF, AND BRINGING SOME DRAFTS BACK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION HERE, UM, SHORTLY. AND THEN FINALLY, AS YOU RECALL, THE COMMITTEE, UH, HAS BEEN DOING WORK ON THE CONTINUED EVOLUTION OF THE, UM, KAYAK ADVISORY GROUP. UM, SPECIFICALLY, WE SPENT TIME AT THIS LIST LAST MEETING LOOKING AT IDEAS AMONG THOSE, UM, WE DISCUSSED, UM, AN POTENTIAL TO FIND OR INCREASE EFFECTIVE WAYS TO SUPPORT A THRIVING AND INCLUSIVE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. UM, AND THE COMMITTEE AGREED TO BRING FORTH A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO HELP STAFF, UM, HELP US WORK ON A PLAN. UM, THEREFORE, UM, I'M BRINGING FORTH A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO CONDUCT NECESSARY BACKGROUND AND DO SOME STUDIES TO HELP DEVELOP A DRAFT PLAN FOR A SMALL AND MINORITY BUSINESS ROUND TABLE GROUP TO IDENTIFY BEST WAYS TO CONNECT SMALL AND MINORITY AND WOMEN-OWNED BUSINESSES WITH NEEDED, UH, RESOURCES AND SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT, UM, AS WE CONTINUE OUR WORK ON AN, UM, INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY. SO I, WE BRING THAT FROM THE COMMITTEE AS A RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I'LL SECOND YOUR MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL DR. LAMB? YES. MS. JOHNSON? YES. MAYOR AROSE GROOMS. MR. KEELER? YES. MS. SALUTO? YES. VICE MAYOR OSA? YES. MS. CRA? YES. OKAY. [COUNCIL ROUNDTABLE ] THIS BRINGS US TO COUNCIL ROUND TABLE. I'LL START DOWN ON THE END. YOU, MS. CRAM. JUST KEEP IT SHORT. AND I'LL THANK WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP FOR A WONDER. WONDERFUL 25TH ANNIVERSARY, MEMORIAL SERVICE HELD ON FRIDAY FOR SEPTEMBER 11TH. I ATTEND, I TRY TO ATTEND EVERY YEAR, AND WE GENERALLY HAVE ABOUT 20 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE THERE. AND BESIDES THE FACT THAT THE, UM, SCHOOL KIDS CAME, THE BAND CAME AND WE HAD MUSIC, WE PROBABLY, I WOULD WOULD SAY THERE WAS AT LEAST 60 TO 75 PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC THERE. UM, SO, AND WE HAD, AND STACIA QUAIN GAVE A WONDERFUL SPEECH, AS DID THE CHIEF, SO IT WAS A GREAT DAY. I JUST WANNA THANK THEM FOR DOING THAT. TRYING TO BE QUICK. UM, WE ALL KNOW HOW WONDERFUL OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY PERSONALLY, THANK YOU. I HAD A FRIEND WHO WAS INVOLVED IN A NEAR MISS, UH, RECENTLY IN THE CITY. SHE DOESN'T LIVE WITHIN THE CITY, AND SHE WAS FLOORED BY THE PROFESSIONALISM AND THE SUPPORT, THE EMOTIONAL SUPPORT THAT SHE GOT ON SITE. SO IT, IT WAS ABOVE AND BEYOND. SO A PERSONAL THANK YOU, UM, TO CHIEF AND, AND TO ALL OF YOUR STAFF FOR HELPING MY FRIEND IN HER MOMENT OF NEED. UH, JUST ONE THING ON SATURDAY, I HAD THE HONOR OF ATTENDING THE JAPAN FEST WITH THE MAYOR. AND, UM, TO ME IT JUST WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW DUBLIN [04:25:01] CELEBRATES, UH, DIVERSITY. IT WAS, UM, UNFORTUNATELY RAINED IN THE BEGINNING, BUT IT WASN'T WELL ATTENDED. BUT AS THE DAY GOT, UH, BETTER, I THINK MORE PEOPLE ATTENDED. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE ORGANIZERS FOR PUTTING ON, UH, JUST ANOTHER CULTURAL EVENT FOR THE CITY. UH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS TO, TO RUN THROUGH. UM, WANNA THANK THE CHAMBER ON THE 27TH, THEY DID THE CHAMBER, UM, IMPACT BREAKFAST WITH, UH, SOME SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS. IT WAS WELL ATTENDED AND, AND I THOUGHT JAMIE GREEN DID A PARTICULARLY GOOD JOB. THERE WAS SOME, UM, GOOD INFORMATION THERE ON THE 28TH, UH, HAD THE HONOR OF HOSTING THE DUBLIN REALTY ASSOCIATION HERE AT CITY HALL, SO THANK THEM FOR THAT. ON, UH, SEPTEMBER THE FIRST, UM, WILLIAM MURDOCH AND I WENT AND MET WITH, UM, SENATOR MORENO TO DISCUSS THE EMERALD CONNECTOR BRIDGE AND PASSENGER RAIL. HE HAD SOME GOOD INSIGHTS INTO FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UM, THE EMERALD CONNECTOR BRIDGE. SO WE WILL BE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THAT. UM, ON THE THIRD, WE, UH, HAD THE HONOR TO ATTEND THE OHIO MAYORS ALLIANCE BRI, UM, LUNCHEON AND THE FOCUS ON OHIO CITIES AND THE IMPORTANCE OF OHIO CITIES. UM, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT IN A MINUTE ABOUT SOME OF THE, UM, POPULATION PROJECTIONS AND HOW CRITICAL THEY, THEY ARE TO OHIO CITIES. THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THE GROWTH IN THE STATE OF OHIO. UM, UH, ON THE THIRD ALSO HAD THE, UH, MORPH C EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. UM, WE WERE REVIEWING WILLIAMS CONTRACT AMONG OTHER THINGS, AND THEN THAT EVENING HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THE SWING DEDICATION. SO THANK YOU TO ALL THE STAFF THAT PUT IN THE WORK, UM, IN PROMOTING THAT. AND, UH, IT WAS PRETTY WELL ATTENDED. AND, AND THE ARTS COUNCIL DID A NICE JOB WITH THE RECEPTION AFTERWARDS, AND CERTAINLY THANK YOU TO THE MERE FIELD VILLAGE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION FOR THE ROLE THAT THEY PLAYED IN BRINGING THAT TO FRUITION. ON THE NINTH, MEGAN AND I ATTENDED THE COMMA MEETING, UH, AND THAT CONVERSATION LARGELY CENTERED AROUND LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY. UH, AND IT WAS AN INFORMATIVE CONVERSATION. ON THE FIFTH, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO DETROIT AND VISIT, UH, WITH THE COUNCIL GENERAL OF JAPAN IN DETROIT. AND, UH, HAD A VERY NICE TIME WITH HIM. ON THE NINTH, AMY AND I ATTENDED THE WALK WITH THE CITY, UH, AND WE HAD SEVERAL RESIDENTS THAT ATTENDED THAT, AND IT WAS JUST GOOD TO BE OUT AND, AND HEAR THEIR THOUGHTS. UM, I DID WANNA TAKE A MINUTE ON THE, ON FRIDAY NIGHT, WE HAD THE HALL AND FAME HALL OF FAME INDUCTIONS FOR THE SCHOOLS. AND, UM, I'M SORRY THAT, UH, MS. STEINER HAD TO LEAVE ALREADY, BUT THE, THE INDUCTEES INTO THE HALL OF FAME, IT, IT WAS REALLY, THAT'S A, IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN, IT'S A REALLY POWERFUL AND MOVING TIME. UM, LEAST THERE WERE TWO, UM, KIND OF AUTHOR PRODUCER TYPES IN LISA FRANCE AND CHAD WILLETT. UM, BOTH UNBELIEVABLE ACCOLADES TO THEM. UM, THEY BROUGHT IN ALEX GCH, WHO IS NOW THE, UH, HEAD COACH OF AUBURN. AND, UM, HIS STORY IS PHENOMENAL. WE HAD TWO OLYMPIANS SLASH WORLD CHAMPIONS IN, UM, SADIE OTO AND ABBY STEINER. AND THEIR STORIES WERE VERY MOVING. AND THE, THE GREAT, THE, THE HEIGHTS OF WHICH THEY HAVE ACHIEVED FANTASTIC MAX MILLER, A A MEMBER OF, UM, OF OUR ARMED FORCES, AND TO HEAR THE GOOD WORK THAT HE'S DOING TO KEEP US ALL SAFE. AND THEN, UH, THEY INDUCTED DR. NER, A FORMER SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS IN, AND, UM, IT, IT WAS JUST A, A REALLY FANTASTIC EVENING. UM, ON THE NINTH, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CUT THE RIBBON, UH, AMY AND I DID FOR BRISTOL REPUBLIC AND WELCOME THEM TO THE COMMUNITY. UH, AND THEN, UH, WE HAD MORSEY, UM, MORSEY MEETING ON THE NINTH. UH, WE HAD A LUNCHEON THAT HIGHLIGHTED, UM, TOM SCHMIDT FROM THE COLUMBUS ZOO, AND HE TALKED A BIT ABOUT THE WONDERFUL NEW THINGS THAT THEY'RE BRINGING, UH, TO THE ZOO. AND THEN I DO HAVE THE INFORMATION ON, UM, POPULATION PROJECTIONS AND, AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR CENTRAL OHIO AT A TIME WHEN WE'RE ALL NOT SO TIRED. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A WORTHY CONVERSATION SO THAT WE'RE PREPARED FOR, FOR THE FUTURE. UM, LASTLY, THANK YOU, MARA. I CALLED AN AUDIBLE AND I PUT YOU IN. SO, UM, THANKS FOR COLLECTING EMAIL ADDRESSES OUT THERE. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER, THE MOMENTS YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR, WE'LL STAND ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.