* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] [CALL TO ORDER] WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE AR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 5 5 5 5 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S WEBSITE. WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENT ON ALL CASES. THE MEETING PROCEDURE FOR EACH CASE THIS EVENING WILL BEGIN WITH A PRESENTATION GIVEN BY STAFF, FOLLOWED BY AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION. THE BOARD WILL THEN ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE. ANYBODY WISHING TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM. FOR EACH APPLICATION, PLEASE ENSURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON AND YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND WE REQUEST THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS. UM, BEFORE WE START, WE START OUR MEETINGS WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE SO EVERYBODY COULD STAND. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. THAT'S MAXWELL. CAN YOU CALL THE ROLE? YES, MR. KOTTER HERE. MS. PAT MCDANIEL? HERE. DR. SULTY IS ABSENT. MR. STO? HERE. MS. SULEMAN HERE. THANK YOU. [ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES ] OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND AP AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 22ND MEETING. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND CALL THAT RULE? MS. PAT MCDANIEL? YES. MR. KOTTER? YES. MS. SULEMAN? YES. MR. AL? YES. GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, CASE PROCEDURE, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION AND MODIFICATIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO ANY SITE IN THE AREA SUBJECT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW UNDER THE PROVISION OF THE ZONING CODE SECTION 1 53 0.170. THE BOARD ALSO HAS THE DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY ON THESE CASES. ANYBODY, ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THESE CASES THIS EVENING, UH, MUST BE SWORN IN. SO IF ANYBODY'S, UH, WANTS IS GONNA PRESENT HERE OR, OR GIVE SOME TESTIMONY HERE, COULD THEY PLEASE RAISE THEIR, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME OR ANSWER IN AFFIRMATIVE. UM, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO YOUR TESTIMONY WITH YOUR TESTIMONY TO THE BOARD? YES. THANK YOU. GREAT. UM, SO YEAH, SO WE'LL HAVE THE, UH, FIRST, UH, [Case #26-042INF] THE FIRST CASE. SO IT'S, UH, IT'S UH, HDHR ONE, UH, 1 43 SOUTH RIVER VIEW, INFORMAL REVIEW, REQUEST FOR REVIEW, AND A NINE NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR THE EXTERIOR RENOVATIONS AT 1 43 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET. THE POINT 21 ACRE SITE IS ZONED HDHR, HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MIGHT MAKE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT, YOU ABSOLUTELY. YES. CASE 26 0 4 3 AND THIS IS FOR 25 SOUTH RIVERVIEW HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST TO THE APPLICANT, SO ANYBODY HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK OR LISTENING, LISTEN FOR THAT, UM, CASE WE'RE NOT GONNA HEAR IT TONIGHT, OKAY? OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. WE SAID I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE FLOOR FIRST AND I ALREADY FORGOT, SO THANK YOU. UH, MS. BRUBAKER, IF YOU TAKE IT AWAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS. TONIGHT WE HAVE A REQUEST BEFORE THE BOARD FOR AN INFORMAL REVIEW OF AN ADDITION, AN EXTERIOR RENOVATION AT 1 43 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET. THE INFORMAL REVIEW IS INTENDED FOR THE BOARD TO PROVIDE NON-BINDING FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR WHEN THEY COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MINOR PROJECT. REVIEW. CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE BOARD TONIGHT INCLUDE GENERAL SITE LAYOUT, CONSISTENCY WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND INTEGRATION WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THE SITE IS 0.21 ACRES IN SIZE AND IS ZONE HISTORIC DISTRICT HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL. IT IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET, LOOKING TO SOME OF THESE HOMES, EXISTING CONDITIONS, THE HOME IS A MINIMAL TRADITIONAL STYLE HOME, AND I'LL GET TO SOME OF THE MORE, MORE OF THE CHARACTERISTICS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SHORTLY. THIS HOME IS GENERALLY RECTANGULAR WITH AN L ON THE REAR, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT MIDDLE PICTURE. AND THERE IS A HISTORIC STONE WALL LOCATED APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET FROM THE HOME AND ALSO A LANDMARK TREE AT THE FRONT OF THE SITE. FOR THE CASE HISTORY IN NOVEMBER OF 2024, NOMENCLATURE WAS CHANGED FROM CONTRIBUTING NON-CONTRIBUTING TO LANDMARK BACKGROUND, AND AT THIS TIME [00:05:01] THIS HOME WAS ALSO RECLASSIFIED TO A BACKGROUND BUILDING. PREVIOUSLY, WHILE THIS WAS CONSIDERED A LANDMARK HOME, THERE WAS AN INFORMAL REVIEW AND REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION OF THE HOME THAT WENT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD. THIS REQUEST WAS TABLED IN THE BOARD, LEAN TOWARD DISAPPROVAL. AGAIN, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR INFORMAL FEEDBACK ON A ONE STORY ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE HOME AND UPDATES TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME. AND AS YOU CAN SEE OUTLINED IN THE ORANGE BOX, THERE IS THE LOCATION WHERE THAT ADDITION WILL BE LOCATED. ALL OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS DO MEET ALL CODE AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. THE EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE IS LOCATED IN A REAR YARD SETBACK CURRENTLY, BUT IT IS A, AN EXISTING LEGAL NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE AND NO, UM, FURTHER ACTION WILL BE REQUIRED BY THE BOARD. AS FOR THIS HOME STYLE, AGAIN, IT'S A TYPICAL MINIMALIST TRADITIONAL STYLE HOME. THESE HOMES ARE INTENDED TO BE VERY SIMPLE, NO NONSENSE HOMES, AND THEY'RE BUILT EXTENSIVELY IN THE 1940S POST WORLD WAR II. THEY TEND TO BE VERY SMALL WITH MINIMAL DECORATION AND THEY OFTEN INCORPORATE A TRADITIONAL STYLE WITH MORE MODERN ADDITIONS. STAFF DID PROVIDE EXAMPLES OF THIS STYLE HOME TO THE APPLICANT AND WE ESPECIALLY WANTED TO POINT OUT THE FRONT FACING GABLE SHOWN ON THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT, AS THIS IS A PRETTY COMMON FEATURE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE HOME TIGHTS, AND WE SUGGESTED THE APPLICANT CONSIDER THIS OPTION AS WELL. MOVING ON TO OUR ELEVATION, UPDATES TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING UPDATES TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME IN THE GARAGE, EXPANDING A PATIO AT THE FRONT FACADE AND ADDING A PATIO TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOME. STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT EXTENSIVELY TO BRING THIS PROJECT INTO BETTER CONFORMANCE WITH THE CODE AND GUIDELINES AND STAFF FEELS THAT THIS PROJECT HAS MADE LOTS OF PROGRESS AND IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB AT MEETING THE FUNDAMENTAL ELEMENTS STATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING RENOVATIONS TO BACKGROUND BUILDINGS, AND THIS INCLUDES MEETING SETBACKS, MASSING, HEIGHT, AND KEEPING THE EXISTING FORM OF THE BUILDING. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A STONE MATERIAL ON THE FRONT AND NORTH ELEVATIONS OF THE HOME, AND THE GARAGE WILL MATCH THIS WITH THE STONE AS WELL. THEY'RE PROPOSING A GD ROOF WITH PROJECTING EASE, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO AN OPEN IMPEDIMENT AND THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE ORANGE BOX THERE AS WELL. THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO REARRANGE THE FENESTRATION ON THE FRONT ELEVATION WITH VARYING OPENINGS OF VARYING SIZES AND PROPORTIONS. STAFF DOES HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE WAY THIS IS ORGANIZED AS THE GUIDELINES DO RECOMMEND MORE PROPO PROPORTIONAL OPENINGS. THE WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE PEDIMENT AS IT IS MORE COMPLICATED THAN EXPECTED. THESE OPEN IMPEDIMENTS USUALLY DO RELY ON SYMMETRY, AND WE FOUND THAT THIS CAN CREATE A BIT OF VISUAL CONFUSION. STAFF HAS MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REFINEMENTS ON THIS FACADE, INCLUDING BRINGING THE OVERHANG FORWARD TO CREATE MORE OF A SHADOW LINE, MAKING THE TOP WINDOW SMALLER TO NOT INTERRUPT THE BOTTOM OF THE PEDIMENT, CREATING MORE SYMMETRY WITH THE WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS, AND SHIFTING THE DOOR TO BE CENTERED UNDER THE PROJECTING EVE FOR THE REAR AND SOUTH FACADES. UPDATES INCLUDE THE PATIO AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. IN ADDITION, THAT IS SET BACK FROM THE HOUSE. STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THE ROOF SHAPE COULD BE LESS COMPLICATED AND A BIT SIMPLER. THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING A BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING ON THE EXISTING L AND LAPSE SIDING ON THE ADDITION, AS WELL AS A STONE WATER TABLE ON THE BOTTOM OF BOTH OF THEM. TO HELP TRANSITION THE STONE MATERIAL STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THE EXISTING ELK COULD USE THE STONE MATERIAL ALL OVER TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOME AS IT IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, BUT STAFF DOES AGREE WITH HAVING A DIFFERENT MATERIAL ON THE ADDITION AS SHOWN. MOVING ON FOR OUR, TO OUR QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION. DOES THE BOARD SUPPORT THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AND FENESTRATION, DOES THE BOARD SUPPORT THE INTEGRATION OF THE REAR ADDITION? DOES THE BOARD SUPPORT THE DESIGN OF THE FRONT FACING OPEN IMPEDIMENT? DOES THE BOARD AGREE WITH THE MATERIALS AS SHOWN AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD? I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. GOOD. THANK YOU. IT'S CLEAR. UH, ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YEP. [00:10:01] QUESTION ON THE SOUTH AND REAR WEST FACADE RENDERING, THE STONE WALL THAT'S SHOWN IN THE RENDERING, IS THAT THE HISTORIC WALL THAT YOU REFERENCED? YES. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE STONEWALL IS LOCATED AND THEN THE PROPOSAL. IN THE PROPOSAL, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO UPDATES TO THAT WALL. I'M ASSUMING IT IS AS IS THE APPLICANT HAS STATED IT WOULD BE. OKAY. LEFT AS IS. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE QUESTION BEFORE WE GET TO THE APPLICANT? I, I JUST HAD, I MEAN, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF COUPLE OF CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. SO IF YOU GO TO THE FRONT, FRONT VIEW, UM, UM, YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT ONE, ONE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PEDIMENT ABOVE THE DOOR. YOU, YOU, WHEN YOU SAY LONGER OVERHANG, YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT INTO A MORE OF A SHED, A PORCH ROOF IN FRONT OF THE, IN FRONT OF THE DOOR. IS THAT, I MEAN, WAS THAT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS? THAT WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR WHEN YOU SAID THAT? WHAT I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION WE MADE WAS TO MAKE THE OVERHANG, THE TOP PORTION OF THE PEDIMENT COME OUT FORWARD MORE SO IT ALIGNS AND CREATES MORE OF A SHADOW LINE. OKAY, SO YOU WOULD MAKE IT MORE LIKE A FOCAL POINT OF THE DOOR? YES. IS KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING FOR. OKAY. AND THEN I JUST HAD ONE OTHER IS 'CAUSE WE TALK ABOUT THE REAR ADDITION AND IN THERE AS THE APPLICANT HAS, THAT ONE I THINK WAS BOARD AND BATTEN AND THE ROOF IS KIND OF COMPLICATED. YOU TALK ABOUT THERE'S AN OFFSET, IT, IT'S OFFSET YOU, YOU SAID THERE'S AN OFFSET IN THERE, BUT IN THE DRAWING IT'S HARD FOR ME. IS THAT OFFSET JUST COMING FROM, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO TELL FROM THE DRAWING WHAT THAT OFFSET REALLY WAS. I THINK IT SAID IN THERE THAT THAT OFFSET MAY BE NOT NEEDED TO GET THE ROOF A LITTLE MORE, LESS COMPLEX. BUT I WAS, I HAVE AN AND MAYBE IT COULD COME FROM THE APPLICANT TOO ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD BE. WE ARE REFERENCING THE ROOF LINE BEING OFFSET FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. OKAY. SO YOU, YOU WERE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE ROOF LINE NOT HAVING SOME GAP IN THE NEW BUILD, FILLING IN THE NEW BUILD. CORRECT, YES. PERFECT. OKAY. FOR ME, I THINK THAT'S CLEAR. PERFECT. I, I'VE GOT ONE FOLLOW UP TOO ON THE, THE PEDIMENT, THE BOTTOM OF THE PEI. WERE YOU STAFF SUGGESTING THAT THAT BE CLOSED? WE DID NOT MAKE IT A SUGGESTION. IN OUR REPORT, WE, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE OPEN IMPEDIMENT WERE TO MAKE MORE SYMMETRY BELOW IT USING THE FENESTRATION, LIKE THE DOOR AND WINDOW OPENINGS. RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD. PERFECT. OKAY, APPLICANT, IF YOU, UH, COULD JUST, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MICHAEL? NOPE, THERE YOU GO. UH, DAVID JOHNSON, 89 65 CO DRIVE, PLAIN CITY 4 3 0 6 4. SO ANY FOLLOW UP TO, UH, AT LEAST TO THE STAFF REPORT? DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF CLARIFYING? YEAH, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CON CONFUSED AS WELL BECAUSE, UM, SOME OF THIS FEEDBACK WAS MORE THE STAFF INTERNAL VERSUS BACK AND FORTH ON OUR END. UM, I'M, I'M OPEN TO MAKING SOME CHANGES, MAKE THE IMPEDIMENT GABLE ITSELF MAYBE COME OUT TO THE ENDS OF THE OFFSET OF THE DOOR. UM, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE DOOR STAYS IN THE SAME LOCATION PLAN WISE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE, KIND OF WHERE THE ENTRY IS. SO, BUT I'D BE OPEN TO TO MAYBE ENLARGING THAT A LITTLE BIT. UM, YOU KNOW, NOT A, NOT A PROBLEM THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ADDITION IN THE BACK. THERE'S NO OFFSET. IT JUST CLOSES THE L AND WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE MATERIAL. YEAH, FOR ME IT WAS JUST THE, THE, THE, THE WAY IT WAS PHRASED, I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS THE ROOF OR SOMETHING ELSE. UH, FOR ME IT, IT, THE ROOF IS AN INFILL HIP. OKAY. THAT FILLS IN THE L ON THE BACK. OKAY. YEP. AND THE EXISTING ROOF IS A FOUR 12. OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP THAT FOUR 12 THE SAME SO THAT INFILL ROOF IS SLIGHTLY BELOW A FOUR 12 THAT FILLS IN WHERE THE HIPS ARE. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE ROOF IS GOING TO A BLACK OR A DARK BRONZE METAL STANDING SCENE FROM THE ASPHALT SHINGLES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE EXISTING HOME. OKAY. FROM, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS? JUST, UH, I I CAN WAIT UNTIL YOU DO. UH, WERE YOU GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE OR, UM, I THINK THEY COVERED IT. THE, THE BIG THING WAS IS TO TAKE KIND OF A SICK, UH, FIFTIES ERA ANTI-MODERN, MID-CENTURY MODERN HOME AND GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CHARACTER. UM, THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, MOTHER AND MOTHER-IN-LAW LIVED THERE. THEY, THEY MOVED HER IN LAST YEAR AND THEY JUST WANTED TO GIVE HER SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY NICE AND JUST COMMENSURATE TO [00:15:01] THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF HAS REALLY LAST 10 YEARS HAS REALLY UPGRADED. THERE'S BEEN NEW CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION AND IT JUST SEEMS THAT, THAT THAT HOUSE JUST NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF AN UP UPDATE WITHOUT IT LOOKING. ORIGINALLY WE HAD AN ORIGINAL MORE OF HISTORICAL CONCEPT THAT JUST WASN'T APPROPRIATE 'CAUSE THIS IS MORE OF A, A SECONDARY OR SUPPORT STRUCTURE IN THE DISTRICT. SO WE, THE WHOLE IDEA WAS TO DOWNPLAY IT, MAKE IT SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT JUST MAKE THE MATERIALS MORE OF A DUBLIN FEEL TO IT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STONE. AND, UM, AND THE, THE BACK AREA IS MORE OF A SUPPORT KIND OF STRUCTURE. SO THAT'S WHY WE JUST DID THE STONE BASE WITH THE, THE ON ABOVE. OBVIOUSLY THAT STONE WALL ON THE LEFT SIDE, WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN AND KEEP THAT AS IS. AND THE WHOLE IDEA ON THE GARAGE WAS TO VENEER THE GARAGE WITH THE SAME ROOF, THE STONE UPGRADING THE GARAGE DOORS SO THAT IT TIED IN WITH THE HOUSE. AND IT WASN'T LIKE A STRUCTURE THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU WENT BY AND YOU SAW THE GARAGE, YOU KNEW EXACTLY THAT GARAGE BELONGED TO THAT HOUSE. SO THAT WAS THE IMPORTANT THING THING THERE. AND JUST KEEPING IT SIMPLE AND NOT REALLY CHANGING ANYTHING ON THE GARAGE RESPECTED THE OUTSIDE FOOTPRINT OR THE ROOF. I, I LOVE THIS TOO. I, SO TELL ME IN THE FRONT AGAIN. SO THE DOOR WHERE YOU HAVE IT NOW IS WHERE THE DOOR IS CURRENTLY? CORRECT. PREFER WE PROJECTED THE WALL OUT LIKE A FOOT OR SO MM-HMM . JUST TO KIND OF GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE PROMINENCE. UM, AND THEN WE DRESSED IT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CUT STONE AROUND THE DOOR ITSELF, SOME GAS LANTERNS, BUT WE JUST FELT LIKE MOVING THAT WALL JUST FORWARD, JUST KIND OF OFFSET THAT, THAT ENTRY MM-HMM . AND JUST MADE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PROMINENT SO I CAN, I CAN SEE HOW MAYBE MOVING THE FENESTRATION OUT MIGHT BE NICE FOR THAT. ON THE BACK I CAN SEE THE POINT ABOUT IT. UH, I LOVE THE STONE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE WALL, THE TWO COLORS TO ME LOOKS AND IT, AND IT'S GOING THIS WAY AND THIS WAY IT MIGHT BE MORE AESTHETIC TO UM, HAVE IT MATCH. SO IN MY, AND MY DEFENSE OF THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS AN ADDITION, YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT AS A INFORMATION, YOU'RE TRYING TO GIVE A DISTINCTION. LIKE WHEN YOU SEE A HOP, SEE A BUILDING, YOU KINDA CAN SEE HOW IT GREW OVER TIME AND INVOLVED MM-HMM . SO THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF THE REASON WE KIND OF DID IT THAT WAY. YEAH, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. HMM. YEAH. UM, SO THE, THE, UH, OPEN IMPEDIMENT, UM, WERE YOU SUGGESTING THAT YOU'D BE OPEN TO MOVING THE RIGHT SIDE? WELL, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU'D HAVE TO ADJUST BOTH OF THEM, BUT SO THAT IT IS CENTERED OVER THE DOOR. I WAS THINKING JUST MAKE THE TRIANGLE PART COME OUT A LITTLE FARTHER AND MATCH THE RAKE SO IT, THE RAKE COMES DOWN TO WHERE THE OFFSET IS. SO MAKING THE TRIANGLE A LITTLE BIGGER, THE GABLE A LITTLE BIGGER. GOT, YEAH. GOTCHA. I THINK PART OF THE, WHAT STAFF WAS SUGGESTING IS IT LOOKED A LITTLE ODD THAT THE SECTION OF THE OPEN IMPEDIMENT THERE WAS NOT CENTERED, THE DOOR WAS OFFSET FROM. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. YEAH. I THINK AT ONE TIME WE WERE THINKING OF DOING A CENTERED GABLE WITH A SMALL PORCH ELEMENT, BUT THE HOMEOWNER JUST FELT LIKE IT MAKE, IT MADE IT TOO BUSY AND LIKED THE MORE FLUSH LOOK. UM, WELL I DON'T MEAN THE WHOLE G I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT IF YOU, I DUNNO, MAYBE YOU CAN, DO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE LIKE A LASER POINTER OR SOMETHING YOU CAN POINT THIS OUT. IT'S BASICALLY IF YOU TOOK THE DOOR AND IF IT JUST STAYED EXACTLY LIKE IT IS NOW, UH, WHICH IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. I, I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF MAYBE IMPRO INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE GABLE, BUT SLIDE THE DOOR OVER TO THE RIGHT, WHICH I KNOW YOU DON'T WANNA MOVE THE DOOR, BUT JUST SO I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT VISUALLY. SO IT WOULD BE CENTERED UNDERNEATH THAT SECTION OF THE OPEN PEDIMENT. I THINK. YEAH, I GUESS THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE INTERIOR IS KIND OF INFORMING WHERE THAT DOOR NEEDS TO BE WITHOUT DOING A FULL RENOVATION ON THE INSIDE OR NOT. DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S WORKING, BUT YEAH. I SEE WHERE YOU WOULD MOVE THE DOOR WHERE THE WINDOW IS AND CENTER THAT OR JUST ADJUST THE, THE SECTION OF THE PEDIMENT SOMEHOW SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOVE THE DOOR. YEAH. I MEAN WE COULD TAKE THAT PEDIMENT CENTER LINE AND MOVE IT SO IT'S CENTERED OVER THE DOOR. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU TERRY. IT DOES LOOK LOOSE OFF. YEAH. JUST BY LIKE A FOOT AND A HALF OR SOMETHING. SO RIGHT, RIGHT HERE THIS WOULD BE CENTERED. [00:20:01] YEAH. CENTER THAT UNDERNEATH THE YES. SO THAT GABLE WOULD BE CENTERED THERE SO THE GABLE WOULD COME UP AND THEN COME DOWN. YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I THINK IT'S HARD TO TELL TOO BECAUSE THE HOUSE, THE RENDERING, THE PICTURE ISN'T HEAD ON, IT'S TO THE SIDE AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S BEEN THE HARDEST THING FOR ME TO MOVE IT IN MY HEAD, I GUESS. YEAH. THAT THAT'S SOMETHING. BUT ACTUALLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION IT IS, UM, TO TERRY'S POINT, I AGREE. EITHER YOU EXTEND THAT OR NATE DETAILING TO THE LEFT OR YOU CENTER THE DOOR IN THE LIGHTS SO THERE'S AN ALIGNMENT. 'CAUSE THE BLACK AND WHITE ELEVATION SHOWS IT A LITTLE BIT CLEARER I WOULD SAY. I MEAN, JUST IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT, AS WE'RE TALKING, I, I THINK THERE'S ONE THING IN THE DISTRICT AS THE, AS THE GUIDELINE SHOWS THAT YOU'RE TWO THINGS ON A HOUSE LIKE THIS, GENERALLY IN THAT AREA, THE DOOR IS THIS, IT'S NOT MAYBE IN THE MIDDLE, BUT IT'S HIGHLIGHTED, RIGHT. WE HAVE DOORS THAT ARE, IT, IT'S NOT ALWAYS LIKE THAT, BUT THEY TEND TO BE MORE HIGHLIGHTED. SO HAVING SOME PEDIMENT AND I AND I LIKE POTENTIALLY MOVING THE GABLE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY SO IT ENCOMPASSES, 'CAUSE CERTAINLY THAT WOULD HELP MAYBE CENTER THE THING. IT DEFINITELY WOULD, IT WOULD EN IT WOULD ENLARGE THAT GABLE, I THINK PROPORTIONALLY WOULD LOOK, IT WOULD FEEL BETTER. AND THEN IF YOU DID THAT, THEN YOU COULD MAKE, BECAUSE I THINK DOWN THE STREET AND ACROSS THIS HOUSE IS OFFSET OR THE DOOR IS OFFSET MM-HMM . BUT THE REST OF IT'S MORE REGULAR. BUT YOU'RE CLEAR THAT THIS IS THE, WHERE THE, WHERE THE DOOR IS OPPOSED TO THE END OF THE AREA. I THINK MAYBE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING. JUST, YOU KNOW, IT, IT KIND OF TIES THAT THE DOOR IS HOW YOU GET IN THE PLACE AND, UH, TRYING TO HELP. SO SEAN, WE'RE I'M, WE'RE THIS LASER, IF YOU LOOK BACK, SO IF WE CENTERED THIS, I WOULD TAKE THIS LITTLE OFFSET AND MOVE IT OVER TO THE RIGHT AND THEN THAT GABLE WOULD BE, THE OFFSET WOULD MOVE A LITTLE BIT THIS WAY. NO, I'M SAYING I, I THINK THE DOOR IS FOR ME. I MEAN IT MAY, IT MIGHT BE OFF, IT COULD BE BETTER TO BE MORE MIDDLE. BUT FOR ME IT'S THAT, WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT, AS YOU SAY, IF THE, IF THE DOOR IS THERE OR IF YOU CENTERED IT, IF THE GABLE WAS A LITTLE WIDER AND YOU HAD THE PEDIMENT IN THERE, THEN THE, THEN IT'S REALLY CLEAR THAT THE, THE DOOR IS KIND OF THE FOCAL, LET'S SAY FOCAL POINT. AND THEN YOU COULD KIND OF SURE. TRY TO FIND A WAY TO, TO GET IT WHERE IT, UH, LOOKS. YEAH. SO THIS G THIS THIS GABLE WOULD BE CENTERED ON, ON THE DOOR AND THEN THE, THE PEDIMENT ITSELF WOULD BE, WOULD GET BIGGER AND PROPORTIONALLY THIS, THIS OFFSET WOULD MOVE OVER TO THE RIGHT. IT COULD BE LIKE THAT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF THE MARKET, I'M NOT PERSONALLY SUGGESTING THAT THE DOOR SHOULD BE CENTERED ON THE GABLE. IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO CONSIDER ENLARGING THE GABLE, LIKE YOU SAID. BUT I'M JUST TALKING LITERALLY ABOUT, LET'S JUST SAY NOTHING ELSE CHANGES. JUST TO KEEP IT SIMPLE FOR THE DESCRIPTION HERE. THIS DOORWAY IS NOT CENTERED ON THIS OPEN AND SO IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CENTERED IN UNDERNEATH THIS IF IT'S GONNA REMAIN AN OPEN IMPEDIMENT. RIGHT. 'CAUSE THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING THAT COMES DOWN IS NOT IN ALIGNMENT ON THE LEFT SIDE AND THE RIGHT SIDE. I WOULD AGREE. BUT IF YOU DO THE BIGGER GABLE, TO ME IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE AT THAT POINT. 'CAUSE IT'S MORE PROMINENT TO YOUR PROBABLY NOT REGIONAL DISCUSSION. COULD BE. YEAH. I THINK, I THINK FROM THE STAFF IS THAT SOMEHOW THE, THAT THE, AS YOU SAY THE, THE PROMINENCE AS WE'VE DONE IN THE OTHER HOUSES, KIND OF THE DISTRICT, THE, THE DOOR KIND OF IS THE MORE PROMINENT THING. AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. IF YOU CENTER THAT PEDIMENT UP JUST THE WAY IT WOULD BE, THEN YOU THEN ONCE YOU CENTER THAT UP, THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW THE FENESTRATION OF MENSTRUATION OF THE WINDOWS, THEN IT COULD BE THAT THREE IN ONE MAY LOOK, IT MAY LOOK MORE UNUSUAL BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE CORRECT. THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE THING KIND OF CENTERED UP AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO THINGS ON EACH SIDE THAT ARE OFFSET. IT MAY OPEN UP SOME MORE ISSUES VERSUS MAKE JUST MAKING THE PEDIMENT BIGGER. YEP. WELL THAT WAS ANOTHER STAFF SUGGESTION IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY THAT, UH, TO CONSIDER ESSENTIALLY I THINK DOUBLING THESE, THIS WINDOW SO THAT THERE'S TWO HERE AND MAKING THIS ONE SMALLER BUT MAKING SO IT'S MORE SYMMETRICAL. 'CAUSE IT DOES LOOK A LITTLE ODD TO ME. I GUESS YOU HAVE THREE OVER HERE AND JUST ONE OVER HERE. TORI, CAN YOU GO BACK TO HOW THE HOUSE LOOKS NOW? I WALKED BY IT A MILLION TIMES, BUT I JUST WANNA SEE THAT PICTURE AGAIN. THE DOOR'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE, RIGHT? THE DOOR'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE. AND THE UM, WELL IT'S NOT UP THERE NOW, BUT THE WINDOW IS NOT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW. SO YOU'RE MOVING THAT WINDOW ON THE, ON THE LEFT. RIGHT? YOU'RE, THAT WINDOW IS GOING AWAY. YOU'RE DOING A NEW WINDOW. YEAH, THE TRIPLE WINDOW. THE TRIPLE WINDOW THERE IS [00:25:01] STAYING THE SAME, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE REPLACING THE WINDOWS. WINDOWS ARE OLD AND WE'RE ALSO DOING THEM IN BLACK. SO, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE, THAT CENTER ENTRY DOOR UNCHANGED. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. YOU CAN PUT IT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS. I HAVE IT HERE TOO, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING WITHOUT WINDOW ON THE LEFT, HOW IT RELATES TO WHERE THE WINDOW CURRENTLY IS. YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAKING A SMALLER WINDOW. UM HMM. TO ME IT'S NOT THE WINDOW, IT'S THE DOOR. , THE YEAH, I AGREE THAT THE DOOR JUST LOOKS OFF AND MAYBE THESE WILL BE THINGS THAT'LL FIX IT. WHAT, WHAT IS THAT WINDOW GOING INTO? THAT ONE, THAT SMALLER WINDOW. WHAT'S IT LOOKING INTO? IS IT A IT'S A SITTING AREA. IT'S A SITTING AREA, YEAH. OH, OKAY. I I STAND CORRECTED. IT'S A, IT'S A BEDROOM RIGHT THERE. IT'S A BEDROOM. YEAH. YEAH. AND HAVING OUR BEDROOM OURSELVES IS A BIG WINDOW. I, I COULD SEE WHY YOU WOULDN'T WANNA DO THAT. I WOULDN'T DO THAT AGAIN, . SO I CAN TELL YOU IF THAT'S A BEDROOM, I'D HATE TO SEE THAT BE A BIGGER WINDOW. YEAH. I JUST WANNA ADD, UM, LISA, I ALSO AGREE WITH YOUR POINT ABOUT THE BACKSIDE. THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT I WENT TO WAS JUST, UM, YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY RE CLADDING THIS FACADE. SO WHY THE SHIFT, UM, BETWEEN THE LIGHTER TAN COLOR AND THE BLACK COLOR? I GUESS FOR ME, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO JUST DO THE VERTICAL BOARDING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SAME COLOR. OR DO I THINK WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED IS HAVE THAT TAN BE STONE AND THEN JUST HAVE THE ADDITION BE THE BROWN. YEAH. SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE SIMPLIFIED. I MEAN, THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL OF OFFSETTING THE ADDITION MM-HMM . YEP. WHICH IS WHAT YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO DO, RIGHT? YEAH. YES. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK ORIGINALLY YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IT IN THOSE THREE DAYS BECAUSE THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON. BUT I THINK WE'RE SAYING THAT YOU COULD JUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ONE AND THE NEW ONE IS NEW AND IT'S CLEARLY NEW. YEP. I I THINK WE, I THINK THAT'S NOT A BAD, BAD WAY FORWARD. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S TRUE. YEP. BUT JUST ONE MORE BEFORE WE GET OFF THE FRONT, JUST REAL QUICK. OH, IN THE FRONT, JUST TO MAKE SURE. I MEAN, I, I THINK JUST AS I HEARD, 'CAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY'S KIND OF A, IN AN AGREEMENT ON THE FRONT THAT SOMEHOW THE MAKING THE DOOR OR MAKING THE PEDIMENT MORE CENTERED OVER THE DOOR. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S SAYING YOU NEED TO MOVE THE DOOR. RIGHT. I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES THAT THAT'S PROBABLY IN A, IN A GOOD SPOT. I DON'T WANT PUT ANYBODY, BUT TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEHOW WE MAKE THAT DOOR VERY A FEATURE THAT KIND OF, THE REST OF THE DISTRICT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE WE KNOW WHERE THE DOOR IS AND I AGREE. IS IT THE GABLE WIDER AND PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OR IS THE GATE I I THINK FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL, I I WE, WE DON'T WANNA GIVE YOU TOO MANY UH, THINGS, BUT I THINK IF WE MAKE THAT MORE OF A FEATURE AND IT'S CENTERED AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT, IT FITS IN THE MIDDLE. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I HEARD FROM EVERYBODY. WELL I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT YES. ARE YOU, ARE YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE DOOR SHOULD GO WHERE THE WINDOW IS? NO, I'M SAYING NOT SET IT OVER THE GABLE BUT SET IT OVER THE SECTION OF THE OPEN IMPEDIMENT. IT COULD BE ABLE TO BUT YOU, BUT FOR ME YOU COULD ALSO THEN THE GABLE WOULD ENCOMP COULD EN COULD ALSO ENCOMPASS. YEAH. GABLE COULD BE ENLARGED A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. IT ENCOMPASS THAT PART. SO IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON HOW YOU AND THE HOMEOWNER SEE KIND OF WHAT MAKES THE SYMMETRY OF. 'CAUSE ONCE YOU DO SOME OF THAT, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE MORE SYMMETRIC ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT THE WINDOW 'CAUSE IT'S OFFSET. SO IT'S MORE, I THINK ON OUR SIDE LOOKING THAT IT HAVING THE SYMMETRY THAT LOOKS LIKE THE OTH, ESPECIALLY IN THE NEW BUILDS ACROSS THE STREET, THEY KIND OF HAVE GROUPINGS OF WINDOWS THREE BY THREE DOOR AND THEY'RE DORMERS OR THESE THINGS THAT SOMEHOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, IT LOOKS IN A REGULAR PATTERN. EVEN THOUGH I TEND TO AGREE IF YOU HAVE THE WINDOW IN YOUR BEDROOM THAT'S DOUBLE THAT, THAT MAY NOT FUNCTION SO WELL. I THINK, I THINK THIS IS TRYING TO TAKE ON THE CUES OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. YEP. WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THINGS ARE UNCENTERED CLASSICAL. I'M STILL PERSONALLY AN ADVOCATE FOR CONSIDERING TWO WINDOWS ON, ON THE SIDE, BUT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYBODY ELSE IS. BUT UH, BUT DEFINITELY IF, IF YOU ONLY HAD ONE THING TO DO, I WOULD CENTER THE DOOR ON THEI. ABSOLUTELY. YEP. OKAY. SO IS THAT CLEAR ON, I JUST TRY TO MAKE SURE WE GOT, AS YOU GOT WHAT YOU NEED KIND OF FROM OUR, I HAVEN'T GIVEN YOU TOO MANY UH, DIRECTIONS INTERNALLY WITH THE CLIENT. I THINK WE'D STUDY BOTH AND THEN COME BACK TO THE BOARD YEAH. PRESENTING THE ONE THEY LIKE BEST. AND CERTAINLY THE STAFF IS GOOD TO BOUNCE THESE IDEAS OFF OF, UH, BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU GET TOO FAR BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME THEN COME [00:30:01] BACK, SAY THAT DOESN'T QUITE SURE SO. YEP. OKAY. YEAH. NOW IF WE KIND OF SWING AROUND AND I THINK AS YOU, AS YOU SAID, I THINK KATHY, OH, NOW WE CAN GO TO THE BACK . YEAH. SO, SO, AND IF WE GO TO THE BACK, I THINK AS YOU SAID, I MEAN I THINK HAVING TWO MATERIALS I THINK IS SOMEHOW FEELS YEAH, I THINK WE WERE BOTH SUGGESTING THAT, THAT MAYBE YOU JUST TAKE THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND KEEP THE SAME MATERIAL. I, I WOULD SUGGEST THE STONE AND THEN DEFINITELY THE, UH, NEW BEING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO IT'S OBVIOUS IT'S DIFFERENT. YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. I MEAN I DO LIKE THE, THE SECOND MATERIAL, BUT I JUST, ONCE AGAIN, THREE MATERIALS IS REALLY BUSY. IT ACTUALLY I THINK TAKES AWAY FROM THE ARCHITECTURE ELEMENTS OF THE LIGHTING AND THE, THE DARK TONES OF THE GARAGE AND THE DOOR. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. AND THEN IF WE LOOK, I THINK THE WINDOWS ON THE, THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING, THE WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THEM THE SAME. RIGHT. THEY'LL BE THE SAME SIZE NEW BUT SAME SIZE. AND THEN THE NEW ONE WILL BE MORE, UH, IT WILL BE OBVIOUSLY IN THE NEW, IN THE YEAH. THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND THE DOORS ON THE SIDE AND THE REAR ARE ALL STAYING THE SAME. YEP. YES. SAME PROPORTION LOCATION. OKAY. LET'S SAY FROM THE FIRST QUESTION OR CAN WE, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE YEAH. REAR VIEW AGAIN? UH, THE ROOF. UH, IS IT FEASIBLE, POSSIBLE PRACTICAL TO, TO HAVE THE NEW ADDITIONS ROOF JUST MATCH THE, THE THE ROOF GRADE WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE? THE PROBLEM WITH THE FOUR 12 PITCH IS WHEN YOU ADD THE ADDITION, TECHNICALLY THAT RIDGE WOULD COME IN OVER THE EX OVER THE MAIN RIDGE OF THE HOUSE. SO THAT'S WHY THAT ADDITION HAS A HIP THAT'S DROPPED DOWN PROBABLY A THREE 12 'CAUSE IT'S A METAL STANDING SEAM. I CAN MAKE THE PITCH A LITTLE LOWER AND IT WITHOUT AN ISSUE. UM, BUT I LOOKED AT THAT ORIGINALLY AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE ROOF UNCHANGED ON THE EXISTING AND THAT WOULD BE TEARING THE, TEARING THE STRUCTURE TRUSSES OFF THAT, UH, THAT L BUT THIS WAY WE'RE KEEPING IT AND JUST FILLING IN THE L WITH SMALLER PITCHED ROOF. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT, THAT RIDGE LINE IS, YOU PUT IT TO THE OTHER PEAK AND IT IS, WE, WE'VE STUDIED DOING A HIGHER PITCHED ROOF AND THE STAFF KIND OF PUSHED BACK ON THAT 'CAUSE IT JUST CHANGED THE AESTHETIC AND THE, OF THE ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL HOME AND IT, IT'S SO THAT, THAT, I LIKE THAT ANSWER. I MEAN IT'S PRETTY MUCH HIDDEN BACK THERE ANYWAYS. YEAH. AND IT'D BE A WASTE TO HAVE TO GO AND RIP OFF ALL THE YEAH. THE REST OF THEIR EYE JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. RIGHT. I WOULD AGREE. IS IT THREE 12 ALLOWED THERE? WE BELIEVE IT'S FOUR 12. WE THINK IT'S, IT IS GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE CLOSE. OKAY. IT'S GONNA BE CLOSE. YES. OKAY. SO YEAH. OKAY. GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE ON, LET'S SAY ON THE, LET'S SAY BACKSIDE FRONT AND JUST ON THE FENESTRATION? JUST ANYBODY. OKAY. MAYBE IF WE COULD GO TO THE QUESTIONS AGAIN, JUST TO, SO FROM AN UH, DETAIL, I THINK, AND, AND JUST TO MAKE SURE, I THINK, DID YOU GET NOTES ABOUT THE OKAY, THE FRONT TRYING TO MAKE THE DOOR, THE KIND OF THE MIDDLE. I THINK EVERYBODY CLEAR ON, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S NOT MOVING THE DOOR AS TO BE CLEAR, BUT TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THERE'S CENTERED ALONG THAT. AND I THINK CERTAINLY LOOKING AT THE WINDOWS TO SEE AS YOU CHANGE THAT FENESTRATION, WHAT'S A ARCHITECTURAL WAY TO MAYBE LOOK AT MORE, A BIT MORE SYMMETRIC? I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE HAVING A SECOND ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE PRACTICAL OR HOW DO YOU MANAGE TO MAKE IT SO TAKING THE CUES FROM THE OTHER HOUSES THAT THEY'VE ARRANGED THEM IN A LOGICAL WAY, EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE SAME, THERE'S A BREAK THAT GIVES IT A LOGICAL SEQUENCE. YEP. UH, AND THEN AS WE GO ROUND TO THE, TO THE BACK, I THINK EVERYBODY'S, IF WE CAN KEEP THE EXISTING BUILDING IN ITS SA IN THE, UH, SAME MATERIAL LOOK AND IT'S CLEAR. THE STONE. THE STONE. YEP. KEEP THE STONE INSTEAD OF THE TWO DIFFERENT COLORS IN THE YEP. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE A QUE I MEAN BOARD AND BATTEN OR LAP. I DON'T KNOW THAT IF YOU YEAH, WE, WE MAY TAKE THAT IN THAT REGARD. WE MAY TAKE THE SIDING TO A BOARD AND BATTEN I DON'T, I'D HAVE TO STUDY IT. YEAH. OKAY. FROM, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION, I THINK FOR ME THAT'S OKAY. UH, OKAY. SO THE DETAILS IN ATION INTEGRATION OF THE REAR ADDITION, I THINK WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT ONE. SUPPORT OF THE FRONT FACING, OPEN IMPEDIMENT. SO HOPEFULLY IS THERE ANY QUESTION JUST, IS THERE ANYTHING WE SHOULD CLARIFY ON THAT? JUST WHY WE'RE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WHAT WE SAID MADE SENSE TO YOU? YEAH, EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE AND I, I JUST WANT AND WANTED TO ADD THE EXISTING STONE CHIMNEY. YEAH. IT'S [00:35:01] JUST BEING RE VENEERED. IT'S NOT GOING AWAY. YEAH. IT'S THE SAME LOCATION. OKAY. AND WE'VE USED THAT KIND OF BACKGROUND, BUT IT'S FINE. WE'VE USED THAT SAME VENEER OF STONE BEFORE. SO. GOOD. DID, DID WE AT ALL TALK ABOUT INCREASING THE SHADOW LINE ON THE TOP OF THE PEI? 'CAUSE THAT WAS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE JUST FLUSH TO ME. DID WE DISCUSS THAT? JUST I SAY IN IN BRIEFLY AT THE BE, I MEAN I THINK YOU BROUGHT IT UP, BUT UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S A FLUSH RAKE. I CAN EASILY DO A RAKE THAT'S PROJECTED SIX OR EIGHT INCHES. I THINK THAT WOULD LOOK BETTER PERSONALLY. YEAH. YEAH. AGREE. UH, GOOD. ANY COMMENTS ON THE FIRST THREE? GOOD FOR I GUESS FOUR I GUESS WITH THE MATERIALS? NOPE. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE A POINT TO BRING UP? I KNOW IT'S ONE OF THE SMALLEST HOUSES ON THAT STREET, IF NOT THE SMALLEST. AND SO I THINK THIS IS A, A NICE TREATMENT OF TRYING TO, UH, UPDATE IT AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THESE NEW HOMES ARE BEING BUILT AROUND IT. I TOTALLY GET THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, KUDOS TO YOU AND TO YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . GOOD. I AGREE. I THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA, IT'S GONNA LOOK GREAT. I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH A NI THAT INTEGRATES REALLY NICELY INTO THE, INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. IT'S REALLY BEAUTIFUL. YEP. NICE JOB. THANK YOU. SO ANYTHING? NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. YEAH. GOOD. THANK YOU. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FINAL PRODUCT WHEN WE HAVE THE FI MINOR PROJECT REVIEW. YEAH, I KNOW THEY'RE ANXIOUS TO GET, KEEP THINGS MOVING, SO. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST NOTE THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS CASE. [COMMUNICATIONS] YES. I HAVE A NUMBER OF THEM. IN YOUR PACKET, YOU RECEIVED SOME REVISED RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND ANY COMMENT, UM, THIS IS JUST TO UPDATE TERMINOLOGY TO, ESPECIALLY FOR THE NAME OF OUR DEPARTMENT, WHICH HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. UM, WE ARE ANTICIPATING TAKING THESE DOCUMENTS ALONG WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND UM, BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT, UM, TO CITY COUNCIL IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR ADOPTION. AND SO WE WANTED TO SEE IF YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THOSE REVISIONS. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, SO FOR SURE. SO THIS IS JUST, THEY'RE ALL GONNA MATCH LIKE THE 48 HOUR NOTICE AND THE YES. ALL OF THAT. YES. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE CALLED THE LAND USE? WHAT , WHATEVER THAT NAME WAS. NOT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. YEAH. THAT MUST HAVE BEEN PROBABLY 30 YEARS AGO. YEAH. SO, OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM, SO YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING YOU THAT'LL JUST GET A DO UNLESS WE HAD A COMMENT THAT'LL JUST MOVE FORWARD. YEAH. OKAY. PERFECT. YEP. ALRIGHT. UM, THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS WE HAVE OUR JOINT WORK SESSION ON THE 1ST OF SEPTEMBER. SO YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN INVITATION FOR THAT DINNER WILL BE AT FIVE 30 HERE IN THIS BUILDING WITH THE WORK SESSION STARTING PROMPTLY AT SIX. UM, WE HAVE PROVIDED A REPORT ON PROJECT NUMBERS TO DATE, UM, TO BOTH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR MM-HMM . AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR JUST A, A BRIEF FEW WORDS ON THOSE STATISTICS PLUS ANY CHALLENGES OR, UM, ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED OVER THE YEAR AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO SEND THAT INFORMATION TO US. WE CAN FORWARD IT ONTO THE CHAIR WHO WILL BE MAKING THAT LITTLE PRESENTATION. SO I'LL, I'LL PUT SOME, JUST A FEW TALKING POINTS AND I'LL SEND IT TO EVERYBODY AND IF YOU HAVE MORE SO COMMENT , IT'S IT'S OKAY. IT'S GOOD. I MEAN, UH, TWO MEETINGS. YEAH, IT'S UH, I KNOW IT'S GREAT. THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS SO, BUT I'LL PUT A FEW WORDS TOGETHER, JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE SOMETHING. I'LL SEND IT OUT. I, I, I HOPE I DO THAT ON FRIDAY, BUT I, I'LL TRY TO GET OUT FOR THE WEEKEND SO IF YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS THEN I'LL INCORPORATE 'EM. PERFECT. YEP. THE BULK OF THE TIME WILL BE SPENT ON THE MIXED USE DISCUSSION AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING, ESPECIALLY THIS BOARD'S CONTRIBUTIONS BECAUSE YOU ALL LIVE IN THE WORLD OF MIXED USE. YES, ALL THE TIME. AND THE DISTRICT IS WHAT WE TERM MIXED USE VILLAGE IN ENVISION [00:40:01] DUBLIN. SO YOUR EXPERIENCES OF HOW IT WORKS, MAYBE CHALLENGES, UM, OPPORTUNITIES WILL BE VERY VALUABLE. GREAT. GOOD. AND THEN THE FINAL, OH I'M SORRY JAMIE, JUST A QUICK, IF YOU END UP, YOU AREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT FOR ANY REASON, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE JUST LET MY OFFICE KNOW. SEATING IS TIGHT SO WE'LL BE SHUFFLING CHAIRS AND NAME PLATES, SO I'D APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE YEP, IT'S CORRECT. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, FINALLY THE TOUR IS ON THE 16TH OF SEPTEMBER AND WE WILL BE MEETING AT CITY HALL AT SIX O'CLOCK AND WE'LL HAVE BUSES AND DRIVERS AND WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON THE RIVERVIEW VILLAGE AREA AND KIND OF THAT QUADRANT. SO WE WILL PARK, GET OUT, WALK, WE HAVE THE, UM, ROOM AT ATCH OVERLOOKING ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GET DOWN INTO IT. AND IF IT RAINS, IT WON'T MATTER. AND WE'LL BE TAKING A LOOK AT OSCARS 36, 38 NORTH HIGH OLIVE RIVERVIEW VILLAGE AND ALSO THE DONATOS REPAIRS FROM THE CAR CHASE EARLIER THIS YEAR. MAY I MEET YOU THERE? DO I NEED TO DRIVE OVER HERE AND THEN GO BACK OVER THERE? YOU CAN. OH, YOU CAN CERTAINLY MEET US THERE. YEAH. 'CAUSE I'LL JUST WALK OVER THEM. YEAH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. GREAT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAD. THAT'S IT. ANYBODY ELSE FOR NO, THEN I SAY, UH, WE'RE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. NICE. UH, LIVELY DISCUSSION. THAT WAS GOOD. I THINK WE GOT TO IT. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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