* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. GOOD EVENING [00:00:01] AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S WEBSITE. PLEASE JOIN ME NOW FOR THE PLEDGE OF THE ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE VACATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. NOW, LIKE THE TO ACCEPT DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE FOLLOWING MINUTES FROM THE FOLLOWING MEETINGS. JULY 9TH, REGULAR P AND Z MEETING AND THE JULY 16TH JOINT WORK SESSION TRAINING MEETING. MR. CHAIR, I NEED TO CALL THE ROLE FIRST. ME. OKAY. I NEED TO CALL ROLL FIRST. I AM ON A ROLL TONIGHT. YOU ARE MY APOLOGIES, . JUST GETTING AHEAD OF IT. THANKS FOR JUMPING IN. JANE. GO AHEAD, UHHUH. MR. ALEXANDER. HERE. MR. CHINOOK. HERE. MS. DAMER IS ABSENT. MR. GARVIN? HERE. MS. HARDER? HERE. MS. NEWELL HERE. AND MR. WE HERE. THANK YOU AND HONOR ROLL . OKAY, SO LET'S GO [ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES ] BACK TO THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE FOLLOWING MINUTES FROM THE FOLLOWING MEETINGS. JULY 9TH, REGULAR PZC MEETING AND THE JULY 16TH JOINT WORK SESSION AND TRAINING MEETING. SO MOVED. SECOND. THANK YOU, JAMIE. CALL THE ROLL. MR. CHINNOCK? YES, MR. WE YES. MS. HARDER? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. GARVIN? YES. MS. NEWELL? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATING A PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION. IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AND OTHER CASES. THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY OUR PROCEDURES THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION. THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE. ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON AND THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD TO ALLOW ALL A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS AND REFRAIN FROM REPEATING INFORMATION. THE COMMISSION HAS RECEIVED ALL OF YOUR WRITTEN COMMENTS TONIGHT. FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SIDE CONVERSATIONS, APPLAUSE, OR OTHER AUDIBLE REACTION TO PUBLIC COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS OF THE COMMISSIONERS STAFF OR APPLICANTS. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID ON THE RECORD AND THAT ALL HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. THIS PROTECTS THE PROCESS, WHICH IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CONCERNED. AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN WITNESSES. ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASE MUST BE SWORN IN. SO IF YOU PLAN TO DO SO, PLEASE STAND AT THIS TIME, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. DO YOU SWEAR TO AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU. OKAY, [Case #26-041CP] WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR CASE REVIEW. OUR FIRST CASE IS NUMBER 26 DASH FOUR ONE P DUBLIN SENIOR LIVING CENTURY. IT'S A REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A CONTINUUM OF CARE FACILITY AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THE 17.6 ACRE SITE IS ZONED R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED AT EIGHT 20. THAT'S 820 FEET SOUTHWEST OF THE CORNER OF BRIGHT ROAD AND EMERALD PARKWAY. THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING NUMBER. . OKAY, SO MR. DORSEY, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. UM, PLEASE, UH, PROCEED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. UH, JORDAN DORSEY, OWNER OF CENTURY LAND COMPANY, UH, ADDRESS IS 8 6 2 0 NEELY LANE IN EDWARDSVILLE, ILLINOIS. UM, AS A QUICK REFRESHER, UH, WE PRESENTED AN INFORMAL REVIEW BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2025 FOR A NEW SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF EMERALD ROAD IN BRIGHT PARK, UH, EMERALD PARKWAY AND BRIGHT ROAD. UM, THAT ORIGINAL PLAN WASN'T WELL RECEIVED. THE GENERAL FEEDBACK WAS IT DID NOT CONFORM WITH, UH, ENVISION DUBLIN AND, AND WHAT THE CITY'S EXPECTATIONS WERE FOR THAT, THAT CORNER PARCEL. SO WE TOOK A, UH, TOOK THAT FEEDBACK. [00:05:01] WE CAME BACK IN APRIL FOR AN INFORMAL REVIEW, AND WE PRESENTED A PLAN ON THE ADJACENT PARCEL, THE APPROXIMATELY 17 ACRES TO THE WEST, UM, AND DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF HOPEWELL ELEMENTARY. UH, THAT PLAN WAS GENERALLY WELL RECEIVED BY THE COMMISSION. UM, SO WE PROCEEDED TO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH IS THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW TODAY. UM, SO A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TODAY IS VERY SIMILAR IN NATURE TO WHAT WE REVIEWED BACK IN APRIL, UM, AND WE HOPE THAT, UM, YOU SEE THAT WE'VE TAKEN YOUR FEEDBACK SERIOUSLY AND INTEGRATED IT INTO THIS UPDATED PLAN. NEXT SLIDE. UH, THIS IS, UH, SOME GENERAL PROJECT INFORMATION, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE COVERED, UH, BACK IN APRIL, APPROXIMATELY 175 SENIOR LIVING APARTMENTS IN ONE STRUCTURE. UM, ALONG WITH, UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, WE DO HAVE 19, UH, SINGLE STORY VILLAS ON THE NORTH PART OF THE SITE. UM, THE ACUITY MIX WITHIN THE STRUCTURE, UM, ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE, WHICH WILL BE LICENSED WITH THE STATE OF OHIO, UM, AS WELL AS INDEPENDENT LIVING. UH, WE DO PRODUCE SIGNIFICANT, UH, PAYROLL. UM, AND THEN THE BUILDING ITSELF, UH, BASED ON FEEDBACK IS TWO STORIES ALONG, UH, BRIGHT ROAD AND THREE STORIES IN THE CENTER OF THE PARCEL WITH SINGLE STORY VILLAS ALONG THE NORTH, UH, PORTION ALONG BRIGHT ROAD, A VERY HIGH-END COMMUNITY, VERY WELL AMENITIZED. UM, WE, WE TAKE HEALTHCARE VERY SERIOUSLY IN THIS BUILDING, EVEN IN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING PORTION. SO YOU'LL SEE A FULL THERAPY SUITE, INDOOR POOL, UM, SALONS, THEATERS, MULTIPLE DINING VENUES, SO REALLY A TOP OF THE LINE COMMUNITY. UM, THIS IS A SLIDE WE ALSO REVIEWED LAST TIME. UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR ANALYSIS, UH, HAS DETERMINED THAT DUBLIN HAS A, UM, SIGNIFICANT SHORTAGE IN IN SENIORS HOUSING UNITS, UM, THAT IS GOING TO EXPONENTIALLY GROW OVER THE NEXT 10 AND 20 YEARS. UM, DUBLIN'S OWN SENIORS HOUSING STUDY, UM, RE RESULTED IN, UM, A DEMAND OF OVER 1,040 UNITS THAT ARE, UM, WILL BE LEFT IN THE MARKET BY 2020 OR 2030. UM, THIS IS A SLIDE THAT COMPARES THE LAND, UH, ENVISION DUBLIN LAND USE PLAN, AS WELL AS THE, UH, THIS, THIS PROPERTY FALLS WITHIN THE EMERALD CORRIDOR ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN, UH, WHICH IS THE CONTROLLING PLAN HERE. UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE SITE IS NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, AND THEN THE NORTHERN PORTION ALONG BRIGHT ROAD IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU'LL SEE, UM, THE GREEN LINE WITH THE, THE ARROW, UM, INDICATES, UM, A CONCEPT OF, OF, OF A, A RIVERWAY OF SORTS THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE INTEGRATED INTO THE PLAN AS WELL. UM, THIS IS SOME, SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. UH, WE COVERED THIS PRETTY EXTENSIVELY BACK IN APRIL, BUT HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS LATER. UM, AGAIN, PRINCIPLE AND SUPPORTING USES UNDER ENVISION DUBLIN, UH, WHICH THIS WAS A, A STRONG, UM, CONVERSATION FROM WHEN WE WERE ON THE 20 ACRE PARCEL VERSUS IS THIS A PRINCIPLE USE VERSUS A SUPPORTING USE. UM, SO WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION BACK IN APRIL. WE'RE PRES PRESERVING THAT ENTIRE 20 ACRES AT THE CORNER OF EMERALD AND BRIGHT ROAD FOR, UM, AN OFFICE USE. AND SO IN THIS INSTANCE, IN THE OVERALL ACREAGE, UM, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT, UM, THAT SENIORS HOUSING ASSISTED LIVING WAS A SUPPORTING USE. UM, WE CAN JUMP FORWARD TO THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN. SARAH, THANK YOU. IF YOU WANNA GO. OKAY. SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS OUR CONCEPT PLAN. UM, SO ON THE LEFT PART OF THE SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE EMERALD PARKWAY. ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE BRIGHT ROAD. UM, WHEN WE GET INTO THE RENDERINGS AND ELEVATIONS, WHICH WAS A LARGE PORTION OF THE DISCUSSION BACK IN APRIL, IS WHAT IS THIS BUILDING GONNA LOOK LIKE? UM, ENHANCEMENTS, UM, TO THE BUILDING ALONG BRIGHT ROAD, OR I'M SORRY, EMERALD PARKWAY. UM, SO, UH, WE'VE ALL TALKED, ALSO TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT UNDULATION IN THE BUILDING. SO WE HAVE WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO CON UH, CREATE MORE UNDULATION IN THE BUILDING. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE SOMEWHAT SITE CONSTRAINED BY THE PARCEL SIZE AND SHAPE. UM, AND WE ARE PRESERVING THE TREE LINES ON BOTH THE WEST AND EAST PROPERTY LINES AS WELL AS IN THE CENTER PORTION OF THAT SITE. UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE HAVE MULTIPLE PORTAGE SHARES ALONG THE, THE EASTERN FRONTAGE. UM, WE'VE TAKEN A, UM, SINGLE STORY SECTION OF THE PRIMARY BUILDING WHERE YOU KIND OF SEE THAT ANGLE, UM, ON THAT NORTHEAST CORNER THAT WOULD BE THE POOL AND WELLNESS CENTER. SO WE'VE, WE'VE PULLED THAT AWAY FROM THE BUILDING. UM, WE'VE INTEGRATED THE, UM, THE BACK OF HOUSE, THE TRASH ENCLOSURE AND DELIVERY AREA INTO THE BUILDING TO CREATE ADDITIONAL UNDULATION ON THE WEST PORTION OF THE SITE. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, WE'VE [00:10:01] SIMPLIFIED THE, THE GARAGES ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY. UH, WE'LL GET INTO THAT MORE. WE'VE GOT SOME ELEVATIONS OF THOSE. UM, AND THEN ANOTHER REALLY SMART IDEA THAT WE TOOK FROM APRIL WAS TAKING THOSE VILLAS ALONG BRIGHT ROAD AND FACING THEM TO BRIGHT ROAD. SO WE HAVE A RENDERING OF THAT TO PRESERVE THAT RESIDENTIAL LOOK AND FEEL, UM, ON BRIGHT ROAD, UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE THE OPEN SPACE CONCEPT. UM, WE'RE PRESERVING THE LARGE TREE STAND IN THE CENTER OF THE THE SITE. UM, WE'VE ALSO INCORPORATED, UM, THE CONCEPT IS, IS A RIVER WALK, UH, A LANDSCAPE SORT OF ROCKED AREA THAT, THAT, UH, ESTABLISHES THAT CONCEPT THAT, UH, WAS, UM, SHOWN ON THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN. UM, AS WELL AS CREATING A FOCAL FEATURE THAT, UH, WILL, WILL SHOW SOME REPRESENTATIVE IMAGES, UM, AN AMENITY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE THAT HAS A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY, UH, WALKWAYS THROUGH THE, THE WOODED, UH, SECTION THAT WE'RE PRESERVING. UM, AND THEN UP THERE ON THE WEST PORTION OF THE SITE WILL HAVE A, A LARGE NATURAL POND THAT MIMICS SOME OF THE PONDS YOU MIGHT SEE AT THE, UH, THE HOSPITAL UP THE STREET. UM, SEE THESE ARE SOME OF THOSE REPRESENTATIVE IMAGES. UM, AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE MULTIPLE DETENTION BASINS ON THE SITE THAT WILL BE WELL LANDSCAPED. UM, SOME OF THE IDEAS FOR THE FOCAL FEATURE, UM, IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE WOULD BE A SEATING AREA WHERE A PAVILION OF SORTS THAT OVERLOOKS THE, UM, OVERLOOKS THE POND. UM, SO THESE ARE A COUPLE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING. SO, AS I SAID, ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, IT IS A TWO STORY STRUCTURE. UM, AND SO THE, THE BUILDING IS DESIGNED IN A WAY TO TIER AS IT, UH, MOVES TOWARD THE CENTER OF THE SITE. SO TWO STORY ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, ONE STORY VILLAS ALONG BRIGHT ROAD, UH, THREE STORY MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN A, A SMALLER CENTER SECTION OF THE BUILDING. SO THE ELEVATION THAT YOU SEE ON TOP IS WHAT WOULD FACE EMERALD PARKWAY. UH, WE DO HAVE SOME RENDERINGS OF THAT THAT'LL, UM, BE A LOT BETTER. UH, IMAGERY. UM, THE BOTTOM ELEVATION IS THE ASSISTED LIVING PORTION OF THE BUILDING. UM, SO YOU'LL SEE IN THE RENDERINGS WE'VE ESTABLISHED A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL PORTICO SHARE BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. UM, WE'VE ALSO TAKEN, UH, THE FEEDBACK TO USE, UH, UH, NOT ONLY ARE WE CHANGING ROOF HEIGHTS ACROSS THE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING TO TO HELP BREAK UP SOME OF THAT FACADE. UH, WE'VE ALSO TAKEN STAFF FEEDBACK TO INCORPORATE, UH, A CONCEPT OF COLOR BLOCKING, SO TO SPEAK, TO CREATE THE, UM, IMAGE OF MULTIPLE STRUCTURES, UH, TIED TOGETHER. UH, THIS IS A RENDERING OF, UH, THE LOWER ELEVATION THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT. THIS WOULD BE THE, UH, ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE ENTRANCE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO YOU CAN SEE WE'VE PULLED THAT CENTER SECTION OF THE BUILDING OUTWARD. UH, WE'RE USING A LOT OF STONE WORK, UM, INTRICATE ARCHES, UM, AND WE HAVE, UH, INCREASED THE SIZE AND AND SUBSTANCE OF THE PORTICO SHARE. UM, YOU CAN ALSO SEE IN THIS IMAGE THAT, UH, WE'RE UTILIZING THE, THE DARKER COMPONENTS ON THE ENDS OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE LIGHTER COMPONENTS IN THE MIDDLE TO CREATE THAT COLOR BLOCKING EFFECT, UM, TO HELP BREAK UP THE FACADE AS WELL. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UTILIZING, UM, LOTS OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS ON THE BUILDING. WE'VE USED A LOT OF, OF STONE WORK, UH, BUT MIXES OF, UH, VARIOUS TYPES OF SIDING. SO, UM, CREATING, AGAIN, BREAKING UP THAT LONG FACADE WITH, UM, BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING, UH, INTRICATE TRIM WORK AND, AND LAP SIDING AS WELL. ALL, UH, UH, CEMENT BOARD MASON MASONRY SIDING. UM, THIS IS THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING THAT, UH, FACES EMERALD PARKWAY. UH, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME STUDYING THIS, UM, AND HAVE TAKEN, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF FEEDBACK ON TO CREATE IT, UH, CREATE AGAIN, UH, JUST A FOCAL POINT OF THE BUILDING ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY. UM, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE TAKEN THE, THE ROOF LINES. WE'VE ESTABLISHED SOME FLAT SECTIONS OF ROOF TO HELP BREAK UP THE ROOF LINES FACING EMERALD PARKWAY, AS WELL AS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT HERE IS, IS A TWO STORY STRUCTURE. UM, THIS IS THE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE PORTION OF THE BUILDING. SO THE, THE COURTYARD THERE WOULD BE THE MEMORY CARE COURTYARD. UM, WE'VE TAKEN THAT FENCE. WE'VE, UH, INCREASED THE HEIGHT AND ADDED SOME, UM, INTRICATE IRON DETAILING ON TOP OF THAT TO HELP CREATE THE ILLUSION OF A SINGLE STORY, UM, BASED ON STAFF FEEDBACK, UM, AS WELL AS WE'RE CONTINUING TO USE THE ARCHES, UH, BOTH IN TERMS OF THAT, THAT FENCING. AND AS YOU GET TOWARDS THE ENTRANCE, UH, BACK IN THE INSET THERE, USING MULTIPLE ARCHES USING THAT SAME STONEWORK. UM, THESE ARE THE THREE STORY SECTIONS OF THE BUILDING. UM, THE ELEVATION [00:15:01] AT THE TOP WOULD BE A VIEW FROM, UH, THE NORTH, SO A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO SEE THERE, BUT, UH, THAT CENTER SECTION WOULD BE A LARGE COURTYARD. UM, THE PORTAGE SHARE THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT PART OF THE SCREEN WOULD BE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE. UH, WE HAVE SOME, UH, SOME RENDERINGS OF THAT. UM, AGAIN, USING THE STONEWORK, THE ARCHES, LOTS OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS. UM, AND THEN UTILIZING THAT SINGLE STORY PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT IS NOW ANGLED OUT FROM THE BUILDING, THAT IS THE, THE POOL AND FITNESS CENTER. UM, ON THE LOWER ELEVATION, YOU CAN SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS BEING THE TALLER PORTION OF THE BUILDING. WE'VE UTILIZED THE COLOR BLOCKING CONCEPT TO CREATE THE ILLUSION OF MULTIPLE STRUCTURES TIED TOGETHER. UM, SO REALLY WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU APPROACH THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING, UH, THE PORTES SHARE BEING IN THAT ELEVATION ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UM, THAT DARKER SECTION WITH THE FLANKING CHIMNEYS REALLY IS THE PRIMARY SECTION OF THE BUILDING. UM, THAT'S THE TALLEST PORTION, AND WE'VE STEPPED THE ROOF LINES DOWN IN ALL DIRECTIONS AROUND THE BUILDING. UM, AGAIN, UH, LOTS OF STONE WORK, ARCHES AND MULTIPLE, UH, SIDING MATERIALS. UM, THIS IS A RENDERING OF THAT SAME ELEVATION. SO THE, THE CENTER SECTION OF THE BUILDING THERE BEING THE, THE FOCAL FEATURE OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THE, THE ROOF LINES THAT STEP DOWN IN ALL DIRECTIONS. SO AS YOU MOVE TOWARDS BRIGHT ROAD, UH, YOU'LL SEE THERE ON THE, THE, UH, THE, UH, RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THAT ONE STORY SECTION THAT HELPS, UH, BREAK UP THAT ELEVATION. UM, THIS IS A RENDERING OF, OF THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING. UM, SO THE WAY THIS BUILDING WOULD FUNCTION IS, UM, IF YOU'RE A PROSPECTIVE RESIDENT OR IF YOU'RE VISITING OR YOU'RE, YOU'RE ARRIVING TO THE BUILDING TO TAKE A TOUR, THIS WOULD BE YOUR PRIMARY ENTRANCE. UM, IT'S ALSO THE INDEPENDENT LIVING ENTRANCE, UH, PORTION OF THE BUILDING. SO AGAIN, LOTS OF STONE WORK, INTRICATE TRUSSES. UH, WE REALLY WANT THIS TO FEEL LIKE A, A LUXURY HOTEL WHEN YOU ARRIVE. UH, SOME ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS. UH, TOP LEFT IS THAT PORT CASHIER IN, IN FRONT ENTRY AGAIN. UM, THE TOP RIGHT IS THE AISLE COURTYARD THAT FACES BRIGHT ROAD. UM, AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM THERE, THAT'S THE, THE POOL STRUCTURE THAT, UH, THAT ALSO FACES BRIGHT ROAD. UM, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH, WITH STAFF ABOUT THE GARAGES. UM, THE GARAGES FOR US ARE, ARE VERY IMPORTANT OPERATIONALLY. UM, OUR RESIDENTS REALLY DO, UH, IN LIKE THESE GARAGES AS OPPOSED TO, UM, A, A PARKING STRUCTURE. UM, THEY LIKE THE PRIVATE SPACE. UM, IN ADDITION, UH, WE, WE THINK THEY CREATE A NICE BUFFER ALONG THAT WESTERN PROPERTY LINE. UM, WE HAVE TAKEN STAFF FEEDBACK, WE'VE SPREAD IT, WE'VE SPREAD THE GARAGES OUT SO WE COULD HAVE LARGER GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE GARAGES. AND WE HAVE, UH, VERY MUCH SIMPLIFIED THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE GARAGES SO THAT THEY DO, UH, BLEND IN BASED ON STAFF FEEDBACK. UM, SO THESE ARE THE SINGLE STORY, UM, ELEVATIONS. UH, SO THESE, THESE ARE THE VILLAS ALONG BRIGHT ROAD. UM, WE HAVE MULTIPLE, UM, STYLES OF VILLAS. WE HAVE THE FRONT ENTRY GARAGES THAT WILL BE, UH, THE PRIMARY DESIGN USED FOR THE VILLAS. UM, AND THEN, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME RENDERINGS AND A COUPLE SLIDES HERE THAT'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE ALONG BRIGHT ROAD, WHERE WE HAVE REAR ENTRY GARAGES. SO AGAIN, BASED ON STAFF FEEDBACK, WE'VE, UH, TAKEN THESE ELEVATIONS, USED THE COLOR BLOCKING TECHNIQUE TO REALLY MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THREE DIFFERENT HOMES THAT ARE, UH, PULLED TOGETHER, UM, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, SWITCHING UP THE ROOF LINES. UM, HARD TO TELL. WELL, YEAH, THIS IS A BETTER, UM, WE'LL SEE SOME OF THE UNDULATION TOO. SO, UH, THIS ONE HERE, THE BOTTOM IS, UH, IS A RENDERING OF, OF WHAT THESE MIGHT LOOK LIKE FROM BRIGHT ROAD. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID PULLED BACK THE LANDSCAPING, OF COURSE, SO YOU COULD SEE THE BUILDING. BUT, UM, ALONG BRIGHT ROAD, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A SIGNIFICANT BERM. YOU'RE GONNA SEE LOTS OF LANDSCAPING EVERGREENS. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S A, A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN FOR NEIGHBORS. UM, SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE TAKEN, UH, COMMISSION FEEDBACK AND THIS, UH, PARTICULAR VILLA WILL FACE BRIGHT ROAD, UH, TO CREATE THAT RESIDENTIAL FEEL. UM, WE'VE ALSO, UH, CREATED UNDULATION WITH THE VILLA BY PULLING THAT CENTER SECTION OUT AND THEN UTILIZING, UH, THAT COLOR BLOCKING TECHNIQUE THAT WE DISCUSSED. UM, THE TOP ELEVATION WOULD BE WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE, UM, AWAY FROM BRIGHT ROAD. UM, AGAIN, MORE ELEVATIONS. UM, THESE WOULD BE THE, UH, THE VILLAS THAT WOULD BE FOR THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE NORTHERN PART OF THE SITE THAT ARE NOT ADJACENT TO BRIGHT ROAD. UH, SIMILAR CONCEPTS IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE STRUCTURES ARE, ARE UNDULATED AND, AND THE COLOR BLOCKING, [00:20:03] AND AGAIN, SOME RENDERINGS OF, UH, OF THOSE SAME VILLAS. AND I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. HOLT. MR. DORSEY, IF YOU WANNA SIT DOWN ALSO. OKAY. PLEASE FEEL FREE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS. TO START WITH, THIS PROJECT WOULD REQUIRE REZONING TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. AND I WANTED TO JUST POINT OUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. WE ARE AT THE CONCEPT PLAN STAGE AFTER OPTIONAL INFORMAL REVIEWS, WHICH THE APPLICANT JUST REFERRED TO TONIGHT. WE HAVE NON-BINDING FEEDBACK, CONCENTRATING ON LAND USE AND DENSITY SITE LAYOUT, GENERAL CIRCULATION, OPEN SPACE, AND INTEGRATION WITH SURROUNDINGS. THERE ARE TWO MORE PUBLIC STEPS PRIOR TO ANY PERMITS. THOSE GET MUCH MORE TECHNICAL IN REVIEW AND INCLUDE THINGS LIKE ANALYSIS OF TRAFFIC AND STORM WATER AT THAT. PARDON ME. AT THAT POINT, UH, STAFF WILL BE REVIEWING DETAILED REPORTS AND CALCULATIONS. IT'S NOT THE COMMISSION'S REVIEW TO REVIEW OR PURVIEW TO REVIEW THOSE DOCUMENTS, BUT YOU WILL BE MAKING DETERMINATIONS BASED ON THE ANALYSIS OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. THE SITE IS IN YELLOW. IT IS ADJACENT TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF EMERALD AND BRIGHT. IT IS ZONED R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, SURROUNDED BY THE SAME. THE BEACON IS TO THE NORTHEAST AND THE MOUNT CARMEL, PUD, IS ALSO ACROSS EMERALD PARKWAY. THE HOUSE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED, AS WE'VE HEARD THE CASE HAS BEEN BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TWICE ALREADY. UM, I WON'T GO THROUGH THOSE DETAILS, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE LISTED CONCERNS AND TOPICS OF DISCUSSIONS, INCLUDING RESIDENT CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN APRIL. THESE PHOTOS SHOW THE CONTEXT FROM BRIGHT ROAD. UM, PHOTO NUMBER TWO SHOWS SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL ALONG THE STREET. THESE VIEWS SHOW THE SITE ITSELF, WHICH IS CURRENTLY VACANT, AND THE APPLICANT POINTED OUT SOME OF THE ENVISION DUBLIN DOCUMENTS THAT, UH, TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SITE. WE'LL START WITH A DISCUSSION ON THE BROADEST CONCEPTS AND MOVE TO THE MOST SPECIFIC. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS PART OF ENVISION DUBLIN. ENVISION DUBLIN IS A VISIONING DOCUMENT, NOT A SET OF REQUIREMENTS. THE SITE HERE IS NOTED AS NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR ASSISTED LIVING AS A PRIMARY USE IF THE INTENT IS MET IN THE DESIGN. THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE ALSO ENVISIONS ONE TO TWO STORY BUILDINGS UP TO 9,500 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE, A RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AND LOW LOT COVERAGE. GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC, WE LOOK AT THE EMERALD CORRIDOR SPECIAL AREA PLAN. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A VISIONING TOOL. ITEMS TO POINT OUT IS THAT THE SITE WHICH IS OUTLINED IN BLACK HAS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SHOWN ON THE NORTH SIDE AT UP TO FOUR DU PER ACRE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE IS SHOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE BELOW THE TREES. NUMBER 11 ON THE MAP IS THE FUTURE I TWO 70 BRIDGE AND ROUNDABOUT INTERSECTING AT EMERALD PARKWAY. THERE'S NO DATES OR FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT AT THIS TIME. THERE IS A GREEN EPHEMERAL STREAM SLASH OPEN SPACE CONNECTION SHOWN OR EMPHASIZED WITH THE DASHED BLACK LINE. AND THE TERMINUS OF THAT FEATURE IS ON THIS SITE. TREE ROWS WITHIN AND AROUND THE SITE ARE TO BE PRESERVED AS IS THE TREE STANDS SOUTH OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. [00:25:01] AND WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT SPECIAL LANDSCAPE TREATMENT ALONG BOTH EMERALD PARKWAY AND BRIGHT ROAD. AND I'LL ELABORATE ON THAT IN A MOMENT. WE ARE REQUESTING FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSAL'S RESPONSE TO THIS SPECIAL AREA PLAN AND THE SITE CONTEXT, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE NECESSARY PUD REZONING, WHICH WOULD BE REQUIRED AT THE NEXT STEP. HERE. THE SITE IS OVERLAYING ON THE CORRIDOR CHARACTER MAP, WHICH IS PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY ELEMENT OF ENVISION DUBLIN. EMERALD PARKWAY, AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, IS A COMMUTER BOULEVARD WITH TRADITIONAL CHARACTER AND IS ALSO IDENTIFIED AS A CORRIDOR OF SIGNIFICANCE. A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACKS ARE ENVISIONED TO HELP BLEND WITH ADJACENT USES, AND WE SEE A FORMAL MANICURED LANDSCAPE ALONG THIS ROADWAY. THE FOCUS IS ON PONDS WATER FEATURES AND VARIABLE. BI BRIGHT ROAD HAS A RIVER CHARACTER CORRIDOR WITH 60 TO 100 FOOT SETBACKS, A NATURAL CHARACTER WITH WOODLAND PLANTINGS, THE INTEGRATION OF AND WOOD FENCES AND MORE INFORMAL WATER SWALE AND BERM FEATURES FOR BLENDING INTO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THE APPLICANT EXPLAINED A LOT, UM, BASED ON THIS SITE PLAN, AND I'LL JUST FOCUS ON THE DISCUSSION ITEMS HERE. THE DENSITY AS MENTIONED FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE PORTION OF THE SITE, WHICH IS THE SOUTH, IS SLIGHTLY UNDER SHOWN ON THE PLAN AT SLIGHTLY UNDER 18,000 SQUARE FOOT PER ACRE. AND COMPARE THAT TO THE 9,500 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE ENVISIONED IN THE PLAN. CLOSELY TIED TO THAT IS THE ARCHITECTURAL EXECUTION OF THE PROJECT. WE'LL DISCUSS THE ELEVATIONS NEXT, BUT WE ARE ASKING THE COMMISSION TO COMMENT ON THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT. THE DENSITY FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PORTION, WHICH IS THE NORTH, UM, AT FOUR DS PER ACRE, WOULD ALLOW UP TO 21 VILLAS SHOWN AS 19 PREVIOUSLY SHOWN WAS 16. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL. THE MAIN ENTRY WOULD BE ON EMERALD PARKWAY, AND THIS WILL BE A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY THE MEDIAN IS NOT PERMITTED TO CHANGE. A SECONDARY ENTRY IS ON BRIGHT ROAD OPPOSITE MACBETH. THE EPHEMERAL DRAINAGE IS SHOWN HERE. WE'RE STILL LOSING SOME TREES AND CHARACTER BASED ON THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PROJECT. THE TERMINAL FEATURE IS EXPECTED ON THE WEST END. IT'S SHOWN HERE, PUBLIC ACCESS IS ANTICIPATED. AND A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION IS HOW THE OPEN SPACES INCORPORATED RELATIVE TO THE PUD EXPECTATIONS. THE TWO TO THREE STORY MAIN BUILDING IS PERPENDICULAR TO EMERALD PARKWAY, AND AS WE'VE SEEN, THERE IS AN ARCHITECTURAL ENHANCEMENT WITH THE, UM, THE PRIVACY FENCE AND SCREENING TO, UM, KIND OF ENHANCE OR AT LEAST SUGGEST THE CONTINUAL BUILDING EDGE ALONG THIS PARKWAY. AS WE'VE HEARD, THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED PORT CO SHARES AND BUMP OUTS ALONG THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDINGS. AND THE CANTED INDOOR RECREATION AREA HERE IS DONE TO ADD SOME MORE IN AND OUT ALONG THIS FACADE. THE SEPARATE GARAGE STRUCTURES ARE SHOWN ON THE WEST SIDE HERE. THEY FLANK THE PRESERVED TREE ROW IMPACTS WILL BE DISCUSSED AND FURTHER EVALUATED AT PDP STAFF DID REQUEST INCORPORATION INTO THE MAIN BUILDING. AND WERE REQUESTING SPECIFIC COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION ON THIS APPROACH. THE ONE STORY VILLAS ARE ON THE NORTH PORTION OF THE SITE. THESE ARE SEPARATED BY THE NATURAL TREE STANDS AND FEATURES. THEY ARE CALCULATED AS TWICE THE SIZE OF THE AVERAGE ADJACENT HOMES, AND WE SUGGESTED MOVING THE DUPLEXES TO THE BRIGHT ROAD FRONTAGE. THESE ARCHITECTURAL EXAMPLES ARE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. AND JUST AGAIN, [00:30:01] TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF, UM, HIGHLIGHTS, THE MAIN BUILDING EAST ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWN HERE. UM, THE PORT CASHIERS ARE VISIBLE AND WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE MATERIAL AND COLOR BLOCKING, AND WE'RE REQUESTING COMMENTS ON MASSING HEIGHT AND ARTICULATION. THESE ARE THE NORTH SOUTH ELEVATIONS. THE MAIN BUILDING SOUTH ELEVATION ALONG EMERALD SHOWS THIS PRIVACY WALL IN THE CENTER BROUGHT FORWARD AND MADE A LITTLE BIT TALLER AGAIN TO MIMIC THAT BUILDING EDGE. AND THE MAIN BUILDING NORTH ELEVATION SHOWS THE PORT CUSHIER ON THE LEFT SIDE AND THEN THAT CANTED INDOOR RECREATION AREA. AND AGAIN, WE'RE REQUESTING COMMENTS ON MASSING HEIGHT AND ARTICULATION. AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THEY WORK TO BREAK UP THE MASSING HERE FOR THE VILLAS. AGAIN, THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THE RESIDENCES ACROSS BRIGHT ROAD, BUT THE ARCHITECTURE GENERALLY SUPPORTS THE DIVISION OF THE UNITS. THESE ARE THE GARAGES ON THE WEST PROPERTY LINE AGAINST THE TREES. UM, THEY HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY SIMPLIFIED AND SEPARATED TO CALL LESS ATTENTION TO THEM, AND THEY ARE NOT TYPICAL IN DUBLIN DEVELOPMENT. SO WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR THOUGHTS SPECIFICALLY ON THIS FEATURE. TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION QUESTIONS RANGE FROM THE BROAD TO THE MOST SPECIFIC, AND THE FIRST HAS TO DO WITH DENSITY. THE SECOND HAS TO DO FOR CREATING A SUCCESSFUL PUD RELATIVE TO OPEN SPACE. THE THIRD HAS TO DO WITH THE, UM, ARCHITECTURE. AND THE FOURTH IS ABOUT THE GARAGE STRUCTURES, AND THEN OF COURSE, ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BY THE COMMISSION. WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MS. HOLT. I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION NOW. MR. CHINOOK, YOUR HEAD'S DOWN, . I'VE GOT A A FEW QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. AND I KNOW WE'LL GET INTO COMMENTS LATER, BUT YOU'VE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOUR, I MEAN, GREAT WORK. YOU'VE ADDRESSED A LOT OF OUR COMMENTS AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S, UH, AGAIN, A GREAT EXAMPLE OF OUR, OF OUR PROCESS. I DO HAVE A FEW, UH, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM, IN TERMS OF THE, WELL, I GUESS WE'LL START A HIGH LEVEL. SO IN TERMS OF THE SITE, UM, CAN YOU JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE, THERE'S THE PATH THAT GOES ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY TODAY, THE, THE BIKE PATH IS THE INTENTION. I MEAN, THE PUB THE PUBLIC ISN'T, DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ACCESS TO LIKE, IF, IF YOU'RE WALKING ON THE PATH, YOU WANNA GO BACK AND WALK THROUGH THE, BY THE POND OR WALK BY THE, UM, THROUGH YOUR, THE, THE TREE AREA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR EVEN CUT THROUGH TO BRIGHT ROAD. THAT'S NOT, I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT'S YOUR VISION FOR HOW THE PUBLIC INTERACTS WITH THAT? THE, THE SITE, UM, CERTAINLY BEING, UH, A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, PRIVATE PROPERTY, LIKE OUR STRONG PREFERENCE IS FOR IT NOT TO BE A, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC. UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HAS REQUIREMENTS FOR OPEN SPACE AND, UM, SO WE'RE DESIGNING THESE ELEMENTS IN A WAY THAT, UM, TRY TO COMPORT WITH THE CITY'S EXPECTATIONS ON THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS THAT COULD, COULD POTENTIALLY BE UTILIZED FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC. OKAY, PERFECT. JUST AGAIN, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THEN SPECIFIC, UH, UH, SPECIFICALLY ALONG BRIGHT ROAD WHERE YOU'VE, UH, PROPOSED, UM, SOME, SOME MOUNDING AND LANDSCAPING, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE PATH THERE. CAN YOU TALK A BIT, IT, IT SEEMS A BIT TIGHT, AND I'M NOT THE LANDSCAPE DESIGNER, BUT, UH, IT'S, I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT THAT EXPERIENCE IS LIKE FROM THE RESIDENT STANDPOINT OF HAVING A MOUND RIGHT IN THEIR BACKYARD. IS THERE LIKE, AND IT'S HARD TO TELL THE SCALE TOO, LIKE IS THERE AMPLE SPACE? ARE WE TRYING TO FORCE TOO MUCH WITH THE MOUNTING AND THE LANDSCAPING IN THERE TO MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE BUFFER, I HATE TO SAY IT, OVER BUFFER IT TO MAKE IT NOT A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR THE RESIDENT? YEAH, YEAH, GOOD QUESTION. UM, YOU KNOW, BEING CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO LOOK AT. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, DURING THE, THE DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF ABOUT HAVING EACH OF THOSE VILLAS HAVE A CONNECTING SIDEWALK TO THE PATHWAY. UM, OUR PREFERENCE WAS NOT TO DO THAT JUST BECAUSE WE LIKE TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR SAFETY REASONS AND A SENSE OF SECURITY. UM, IF THE COMMISSION THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A, A GREAT IDEA AS WELL, WE'D BE HAPPY TO CONSIDER THAT. UM, BUT, UM, IN ADDITION, LIKE THE LANDSCAPING IN THE BI, UM, AS WE DEVELOP THAT WE WILL, WE'LL CERTAINLY WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN BRIGHT ROAD, IT DOES HAVE THAT RESIDENTIAL ALMOST RURAL CHARACTER THAT, THAT WE'VE, UH, WE'VE HEARD FEEDBACK ON. UM, AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT BERING AND THE [00:35:01] LANDSCAPING IS EFFECTIVE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY HIDING THE, THE STRUCTURES, SO TO SPEAK, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PRESENCE AT ALL ON BRIGHT ROAD. SO MAYBE WE HAVE SOME BREAKS IN THE BI, UM, THAT SHOWCASE CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF, OF THE VILLAS, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT. YEAH. AND AGAIN, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE OBVIOUSLY CONSIDER THAT THAT BI AND SEPARATION, BUT ALSO JUST THE, THE RESIDENTS IN MIND TOO OF WHAT THAT THAT'S LIKE FOR THEM SITTING ON THEIR BACK, THEIR BACK PATIO. YEAH. AND THEN ONTO THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES. UM, OH, WELL ACTUALLY, SORRY, ON THE SITE STILL, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE ABOUT, AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED, AND I APOLOGIZE, THIS, THIS SHADE STRUCTURE AND THIS POND OVERLOOK YOU, YOU LABELED IT AS A FOCAL FEATURE, BUT I DIDN'T, I MIGHT'VE MISSED IT. I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T SEE ANY KIND OF DETAIL ON WHAT THAT IS EXACTLY. UM, YEAH, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EPHEMERAL STREAM CONCEPT THAT SHOWS UP ON THE, I THINK IT'S THE EMERALD CORRIDOR ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN. UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO RESPOND TO LIKE WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS. UM, THE BEST WE REALLY HAVE TO GO BY IS WHAT YOU SEE OVER AT THE HOSPITAL, WHICH IS, WHICH IS REALLY WELL DONE WITH THE NATURAL POND FEATURES. UM, IN A COUPLE OF THE INSPIRATION IMAGES AND IN MY PRESENTATION, THERE WERE, UM, SOME LIKE NATURAL LOOKING PATIO AREAS WITH BOULDERS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A, A, A SEATING AREA THAT OVERLOOKS THE NATURAL POND ELEMENT. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE THE, THE IDEA THERE. AND THEN WE'RE TYING THAT TOGETHER WITH THE NETWORK OF, OF SIDEWALKS AND THEN DECORATIVE PAVEMENT THAT DRAWS EVERYBODY TO THAT, UH, THAT LOCATION DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. UM, SO, SO IT'S, I'M SORRY, LEMME INTERRUPT YOU. YEAH, NO, GO AHEAD. SO IT'S FAIR TO, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S FAIR TO SAY IT'S A SHADE STRUCTURE OF SORTS THAT WILL, THE ARCHITECTURAL WILL, IT'LL FIT WITH THE REST OF THE, THE SITE. YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH. AND WE'LL TAKE, UH, FEEDBACK ON THAT. I THINK INTEGRATING SOME STONE WORK, UM, LIKE A WOOD TRELLIS, SOME NATURAL LANDSCAPING, SOME BOULDERS SO THAT IT FITS IN WITH THE, THE OVERALL LANDSCAPE DESIGN. OKAY. PERFECT. AND THEN LAST QUESTION, UM, WELL ACTUALLY THERE ARE TWO MORE QUESTIONS ON THE, UH, CAN WE CALL UP THE EAST BUILDING ELEVATION FOR THE MAIN BUILDING BUILDING? SO TO THE, THE SOUTH END OF THAT MAIN BUILDING, I GUESS, WHICH IS LEFT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT HERE, UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE KIND OF A PROMINENT CORNER, I GUESS. AND I'M WONDERING, I'M JUST CURIOUS, THAT SEEMS LIKE, I GUESS I KNOW IT'S FROM A PLANNED STANDPOINT, YOU CAN'T DO A WHOLE LOT OF, OF GLAZING OR ANYTHING ELSE THERE ON THAT CORNER. CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE LACK OF , THE LACK OF ANYTHING ON THAT CORNER, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM? SURE. SO YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE THE TOP ELEVATION? YEAH, THE LEFT. OKAY. YEP. UM, YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. SO THAT, THAT IS THIS SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING, UH, WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM BRIGHT, UH, FROM EMERALD PARKWAY, UM, WITHOUT HAVING THE FLOOR PLAN IN FRONT OF ME, I THINK THAT'S A STAIRWELL. YEAH. UM, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT ADDING, UM, ADDITIONAL GLAZING TO THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING TO MAKE IT STAND OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. OKAY. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE GOT A REALLY NICE, VERY, VERY NICE ELEVATIONS. AND THEN I HATE FOR THAT TO BE KIND OF AS A, AS A MORE DOMINANT CORNER TO, TO BE A LITTLE BIT FORGOTTEN. UM, AND THEN PROMISE, THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION. THE, UH, GARAGE, THE, THE THREE GARAGES. DID YOU EXPLORE ANY KIND OF ARTICULATION, UH, ANY KIND OF ARTICULATION THERE, DORMERS OR ANYTHING ELSE TO MAKE 'EM FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE, MAKE 'EM FIT A LITTLE BIT MORE, I GUESS, WITH THE REST OF THE BUILDING? UM, YEAH, AND I DON'T HAVE THEM WITH ME, BUT WE ACTUALLY DID DESIGN A GARAGE THAT WAS PRETTY INTRICATE THAT, UH, MATCHED THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING. IT HAD A LOT OF VARIATION IN THE ROOF LINES. IT HAD SOME GABLES, IT HAD SOME OFFSETS. UM, AND THEN WE USED VARIOUS COLORS SIMILAR TO THE BUILDING, UM, I THINK STAFF. AND WE TENDED TO AGREE. I THINK THE IDEA IS SINCE THESE ARE NOT, UM, AS PREVALENT IN DUBLIN, WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY HERE THAT, UH, THE, UH, SUGGESTION WAS THAT LIKE, LET'S JUST KIND OF BLEND THEM INTO THE TREES A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND SO WE, WE SIMPLIFY THE ROOF LINE SWITCH STRAIGHT ACROSS AND WE USE ONE COLOR. UM, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT, WE CAN REVISIT THE ORIGINAL DESIGNS AS WELL AND GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU MR. CARTER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS OUR THIRD MEETING, BUT THE FIRST ONE WAS ABOUT ANOTHER WHOLE SITE, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, CORRECT. THAT WAS A DIFFERENT PARCEL, DIFFERENT CONCEPT. SO THAT ONE, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO THIS IS OUR SECOND ONE ON THIS THING. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY IT. I DON'T WANNA RUN THREE OF THESE TOGETHER AND SO FORTH, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, WHEN LOOKING AT THIS, CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME THAT, UM, LIKE THE MEMORY CARE, DOES IT HAVE A A, A DRIVE UP AWNING THAT YOU CAN DRIVE UP TO? SOME OF THEM DO, SOME OF THEM DON'T. IS THAT, UH, IS THERE A REASON WHY? YES, YES. AND IT DOES, IF [00:40:01] YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, IT'D BE THE SOUTH PART OF THE SCREEN, WHICH WOULD BE THE EAST ELEVATION. UM, ON THE LEFT SIDE YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUMP OUT. THAT WOULD BE THE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE ENTRANCE. AND SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DRIVE UP. UM, BUT WE ALSO, THAT ENTRANCE IS, IS TYPICALLY UTILIZED BY RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE AND KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING OR FAMILY MEMBERS. UM, BUT WE REALLY WANT TO DRAW THE PUBLIC AND, UM, PROSPECTIVE RESIDENTS AND EVERYBODY ELSE TO THE PRIMARY PORTAGE SHARE. SO WE DON'T WANT IT TO COMPETE WITH THAT. BUT IT IS, UH, IT IS A, A FEATURE SO THAT YOU CAN DRIVE UP TO IT AND EXIT YOUR CAR WITHOUT, UM, GETTING RAINED ON. I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT IN CLIMATE WEATHER AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, DO YOU THINK IT'S SATISFACTORY WHERE IT IS AS FAR AS IT GOES? OR DO YOU FEEL, 'CAUSE IT WILL BE USED QUITE OFTEN BY FAMILY AND THE RESIDENTS, AND SO YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A ADEQUATE WAY OF GETTING IN. YEAH. UM, YEAH, AND WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE DESIGN. I BELIEVE THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED IS THAT YOU CAN PARTIALLY PULL UNDER, SO THE PASSENGER SIDE OF CAN EXIT THE CAR. UM, AND THOSE RESIDENTS DO UTILIZE OUR BUS AND OUR, OUR CADILLAC THAT, SO MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE GETTING DROPPED OFF AT THAT ENTRANCE, UM, AND CAN, UM, GET RIGHT UNDER THAT OVERHANG. AND THEN THE PATIOS, UH, THE ABOVE, LIKE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. SO, UM, DO THEY HAVE LIKE AN AWNING? I COULDN'T TELL. OR SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE THAT'S OVER, UH, DUE TO THE SUN AND CLIMATE, UM, THE UPPER FLOORS. YEAH. UM, I WOULD'VE TO PULL UP THE ELEVATIONS AND LOOK AT THAT SOMETIMES. I WASN'T REALLY SEEING ANY, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ADDING TO THAT. YEAH. YEAH. BUT YEAH, CHECKING THAT OUT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND THEN WITH THE GARAGES, UM, I SEE THAT, UM, IT HAS GLASS. ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT, UM, LIKE A SMOKE GLASS OR A, A SEE-THROUGH GLASS? IT'S UP PRETTY HIGH THOUGH, BUT I JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. UM, I'M SORRY, WAS THAT, THAT WAS WITH RESPECT TO THE GARAGES THEMSELVES? YEAH, THE GARAGES. SORRY. YEAH, I WAS JUST THINKING, UM, YEAH, MOST OF THE TIME OUR, OUR GARAGE DOORS DON'T HAVE ANY GLASS AT ALL. WE, WE DID THAT TO TRY TO DRESS IT UP A LITTLE BIT. UM, BUT I THINK THE, THE CURRENT EXPECTATION WOULD, IT WOULD JUST BE CLEAR GLASS. UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ALWAYS LOOK AT TOO. AND THEN HELP ME WITH THE VILLAS A LITTLE BIT. UM, DID YOU TAKE SOME OF THE STRUCTURE IDEAS FROM THE MAIN PLACE AND ADD THEM TO THE VILLAS? SHOULD I BE SEEING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THOSE STRUCTURES? ARE YOU USING THE SAME ELEMENTS AND, UH, THE STONE AND SO FORTH? IT'S HARD TO VISUALIZE. I SEE A LOT OF, UM, COMPOSITE AND, UM, BUT I'M SEEING JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EITHER THAT STONE AT THE BOTTOM, UM, WHICH THEN IF YOU PUT PLANTS, YOU'RE NOT REALLY SEEING STONE, YOU'RE SEEING MORE OF THE, UH, SIDING. MM-HMM . YEAH, THAT WAS CERTAINLY THE INTENT IS TO HAVE THESE VILLAS FEEL COHESIVE WITH, WITH THE MAIN STRUCTURE UTILIZING THE STONE WORK AND THE SAME MASONRY SIDING MATERIALS AND COLORS. UM, BUT WE COULD ALWAYS REVISIT AND, AND TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT. IS THE, IS THE COMMENT THAT MAYBE SOME OF THAT STONE SHOULD GO UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, GO UP IN VARIOUS UP HIGHER AREAS OF THE BUILDING? MM-HMM . YEAH. MM-HMM . YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT. HOW, HOW HAVE YOUR DISCUSSIONS BEEN ABOUT THE DUPLEXES INSTEAD OF THE, THE LONGER ON THE VOWS? UM, YEAH, WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO INCORPORATE THAT, BUT I THINK THAT THE, THERE'S OTHER PORTIONS OF THE SITE WHERE WE CAN SWAP THE THREES AND THE TWOS, UM, AND STILL HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO KEEP THE UNIT COUNT THAT WE NEED. UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT. IS IT TYPICAL TO HAVE ON THE VILLAS LIKE TWO GARAGES BACK TO BACK TO EACH OR SIDE BY SIDE TO EACH OTHER? IS THERE A REASON TO BREAK THEM UP, OR, OR DO YOU TYPICALLY PUT, I WAS NOTICING SOME OF THE GARAGES, THEY, THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. UM, IT, IT DEPENDS JUST, UH, THE, THE ARCHITECTURE TENDS TO VARY, BUT, UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THE BACK TO BACK GARAGES. BUT ARE YOU, ARE YOU SPEAKING MORE FROM LIKE AN ARCHITECTURAL, JUST THE WAY THAT THEY LOOK? YEAH, JUST BREAKING IT UP. OKAY. SEEING A LONG, UH, GARAGE. UH, SOMETIMES I'LL SEE LIKE A LITTLE, UM, YOU CAN PLANT A TREE IN BETWEEN 'EM OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT HERE. AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO BREAK 'EM UP, I, I THINK THAT'S A, YEAH. YEAH. I'M NOT AN EXPERT AT IT, BUT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WITH THAT. UM, AND THEN ARE THE GARAGES, EXCUSE ME, THE, THE, UM, THE DRIVEWAYS, WHAT DO YOU PLAN ON USING THAT? IS IT, UM, PAVERS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT MATCHES WHAT YOU'RE USING IN THE OTHER AREAS? UM, YEAH, WE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR YET, BUT THE, THE TYPICAL EXPECTATION WOULD BE CONCRETE, BUT CONCRETE, NOT ASPHALT. UH, NOT FOR THE GR NOT FOR THE DRIVEWAYS. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, CONCRETE. OKAY. UM, LET ME JUST SEE, MAKE SURE I'M, I THINK I'VE GOT THEM. I THINK THAT'S [00:45:01] IT FOR RIGHT NOW. COOL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER. JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. I'LL, I'LL START WITH SARAH. UH, THE GARAGE IS, IS THE RESISTANCE TO THE GARAGES FROM A PORTION OF THE CODE AND STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES WE HAVE, OR JUST THAT WE DON'T SEE THEM IN DUBLIN. IT'S NOT IN THE CODE. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM IN DUBLIN EXCEPT FOR IN OLDER PROJECTS AND IN MORE RECENT PROJECTS THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SUGGESTED OR HAVEN'T BEEN SUPPORTED. OKAY. THANKS. THE, UM, HOW DOES THE STAFF FEEL ABOUT THE BERING? BECAUSE WHAT YOU'VE READ IS THE BERMS ARE TO BE MORE INFORMAL. THIS IS PRETTY RIGID, PARALLELING THE STREET. IT SORT OF CONTRADICTS THE IDEA THAT YOU WANT TO CREATE A FRONT FOR THESE ON THE STREET. HOW, HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT? IT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT, AND AT THIS, AT THIS POINT IN THE PROJECT PROCESS, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THOSE DETAILS YET. WE'RE STILL, UM, CONTEMPLATING THINGS LIKE DENSITY AND, AND ARRANGEMENT OF THE BASIC SPACES. HOWEVER, IT IS A REALLY GOOD POINT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. AND MAYBE THE IDEA IS TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT EXISTS ALONG BRIGHT ROAD TODAY, OR MAYBE WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED WITH RECENT PROJECTS AND MIRRORING THAT IF WE WANT THE CHARACTER TO BEST BLEND IN. THE ONLY REASON I ASK THAT IS, WELL, A COUPLE REASONS, BUT AN ADDITIONAL ONE TO WHAT I'VE STATED IS THE RESIDENTS ASK FOR ADDITIONAL SURVEILLANCE, WHICH TURNING THESE UNITS, THE WAY THE APPLICANT HAS, PROVIDES A POTENTIAL FOR GREATER SURVEILLANCE AT THE STREET. BUT THEN IF WE BUILD A BERM AND A WALL, WE LOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO I JUST, I'M JUST RIGHT. IT'S JUST AN OPEN QUESTION. MM-HMM . AND I, I JUST WANTED TO GET ON THE RECORD. I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT THE DENSITY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS LESS THAN WHAT WE ALREADY APPROVED FOR THE BEACON, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS TRUE. OKAY. OKAY. AND, UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT HAS TO DO WITH THE, UM, THE NORTH COURTYARD. IS THE NORTH COURTYARD OPEN AT THE END, UNLIKE THE SOUTH, WHICH HAS THE WALL AND GATE? YES, IT IS. OKAY. YEAH, THE INTENTION OF THE SITE IS THAT THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE VILLAS ON THE NORTH WOULD UTILIZE ALL OF THE, THE DINING ROOM AND THE AMENITIES WITHIN THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING. SO WE WANT THAT CONNECTIVITY. THAT, THANK YOU. I'LL, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT LATER. MR. GARVIN. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION'S QUESTIONS. YOU GOT MOST OF MINE HERE. UM, IN PARTICULAR ABOUT THE BI, I'D BE CURIOUS WHAT THE NEIGHBOR'S REACTION, UM, IS THERE, BUT THE OTHER QUESTION I DO HAVE IS PROBABLY MORE FOR STAFF. WHEN WE SAW THE, UM, LEMME THINK IF IT WAS ON THE SPECIAL AREA PLANE, BUT WHEN WE SAW THE RIVER PATH, I GUESS GOING TO THAT BASIN, IS THAT A NATURAL NEED TO MOVE WATER? OR IS THAT, WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT? IS THAT JUST FOR RETENTION? IS THAT A GREEN SPACE SUGGESTION, OR WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? I THINK IT'S A GREEN SPACE SUGGESTION. UM, THIS IS A VERY HIGH LEVEL PLAN, SO 30,000 FOOT LOOK AND A VISION. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICS IN THIS PLAN, BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING IS RECOGNIZING WHAT MOUNT CARMEL HAS ON THEIR PROPERTY ACROSS EMERALD AND SEEING AN OPPORTUNITY TO TIE THINGS TOGETHER ACROSS EMERALD PARKWAY AND HAVE ANCHORS ON EACH END, ONE AT MOUNT CARMEL AND ONE ON THIS PROPERTY. AND HOW THAT COMES TOGETHER, UM, IS LEFT TO THE APPLICANT TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT. AND WHAT WAS, JUST AS A REMINDER, THE SUGGESTED SUGGESTED QUESTIONS FOR US TO CONSIDER, JUST WANNA CLARIFY THE ONE THAT WAS RELATED TO THAT RIVER WALK. WHAT WAS THAT QUESTION? OR RIVER PATH I SHOULD SAY? THE QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE OVERALL OPEN SPACE ARRANGEMENT AND HOW IT WILL RELATE TO THE PUD APPROVAL CRITERIA, WHICH ARE A HIGHER LEVEL OF STANDARD AND EXPECTATION FROM THE STANDARD ZONING THAT WE HAVE. UM, BECAUSE THIS [00:50:01] IS A NEGOTIATED REZONING, THE COMMISSION, THE CITY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT REFINING THESE REQUIREMENTS AND MAKING A PUD SOMETHING THAT IS UNIQUE WITHIN THE CITY AND IS NOT SORT OF A STANDARD ISSUE PROJECT. GREAT. THANK YOU. I HAD A QUESTION. SO WERE YOU FINISHED? THANK YOU. OKAY. SORRY, I NEVER LIKE TO INTERRUPT PEOPLE. I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT FOR ME AGAIN WHAT THE RECOMMENDED SETBACKS OFF OF BRIGHT ROAD ARE AND EMERALD PARKWAY OFF OF BRIGHT ROAD AT 60 TO 100 FEET AND OFF OF EMERALD PARKWAY? IT IS 100 FEET. OKAY. 60 TO 100 OFF OF BRIGHT, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE PLAN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND HONESTLY, THESE ARE EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11, SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ. BUT THE BUILDINGS ARE, THEY, IT'S SHOWING A, UM, PROPOSED SETBACK OF 30 FEET ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN THE ACTUAL SETBACKS TO THE BUILDING AS THEIR DIMENSION ON THE PLANE LOOKED TO BE, UM, 51 FOOT FOUR OR 0.4 AND THEN 48 FEET. UM, AND THEN, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SITE, IF THE, UM, WHAT WAS THE DISTANCE FROM ERD AGAIN? YOU SAID A HUNDRED OFF OF EMERALD PARKWAY. A HUNDRED OFF OF EMERALD PARKWAY. RIGHT. SO THERE'S SETBACK AND THEN ARE MUCH GREATER. SO LIKE 1 49 AND 1 1 64, WHERE WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THERE MIGHT BE SOME MOVEMENT TO ADJUST THOSE TO ACTUALLY TRULY ACCOMMODATE MM-HMM . THE RECOMMENDED SETBACKS OFF OF THOSE ROADWAYS. SO MY NEXT QUESTIONS ARE ACTUALLY FOR OUR APPLICANT. UM, ON THE RENDERINGS AND THINGS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, YOU'RE SHOWING AND CALLING IT ON A DRAWING THAT I'M LOOKING AT ON OUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW AS A STORMWATER BASIN, BUT ON THE, UM, PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING DRAWINGS THAT ARE IN HERE, IT IS NOTED AS BEING A DETENTION, NOT A RETENTION POND. SO COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE TRUE FUNCTION OF THAT IS? UM, YEAH, AND THERE'LL BE, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE NEXT STEP WITH THE PDP, IT'LL BE FULL ENGINEERING AND ANALYSIS ON THE STORM WATER, BUT THAT THE BASIN THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE, THE, THE DESIRE WOULD BE FOR THAT TO BE A WET BASIN. OKAY. SO ACTUALLY DETAINING WATER AND THEN UTILIZING NATURAL PLANTINGS, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SEE AT THE HOSPITAL. I WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CLARIFIED. SO I'M LOOKING AT, UM, YOU ALSO HAVE MULTIPLE POTENTIAL DETENTION AREAS, SOME WITHIN THE COURTYARD SPACES, AND THEN SOME THAT ARE OUT ALONG, UM, EMERALD PARKWAY. SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO TRULY DO DETENTION AREAS IN SOME OF THOSE SPACES WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE OPEN SPACE, THAT YOU MIGHT NEED TO LOOK AT UNDERGROUND DETENTION, UM, INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT ALL ON SURFACE, WHICH WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE SITE, IT WAS LOOKED LIKE YOUR GOAL WAS TO GET IT ALL ON SURFACE INSTEAD OF UNDERTAKING MAYBE UNDERGROUND DETENTION. SURE. YEAH. AND I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY WAS AT THIS POINT WE'RE REALLY JUST IDENTIFYING SPACE WITHIN THE SITE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE DETENTION. THEY JUST WANTED US TO VERIFY THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE. UM, SO IN THE NEXT STEP AS WE START EVALUATING STORM STORMWATER, SOME OF THOSE AREAS MIGHT NOT GET USED FOR DETENTION AND SOME MIGHT. UM, AND I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT ANY ADDITIONAL AREAS WILL HAVE A, A WET BASIN SIMILAR TO THE, THE ONE IN THE CENTER. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. NEWELL. UM, I HAD A WHOLE SERIES OF QUESTIONS, SOME HAVE BEEN ANSWERED AND, AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN SEQUENCE, BUT I'M GONNA GO BACK TO SITE CIRCULATION, JUST TO BE CLEAR. SO THIS PLAN NO LONGER HAS A GATED ENTRANCE OFF OF BRIGHT ROAD, AND THAT'S TO ACCOMMODATE FIRE ACCESS. IS THAT CORRECT? TO ACCOMMODATE, I'M SORRY, FIRE TRUCK ACCIDENT? YES. YES. SO THEY HAVE A, UM, AND IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A, UM, AGREEMENT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE THEM SOME KIND OF, UH, ACCESS AT A GATED ENTRANCE, WHETHER IT'S A KEY CODE OR SOMETHING? IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT AT PDP, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK. OKAY. AND TO THE APPLICANT, ARE, ARE YOU STILL INTERESTED IN THAT BEING A GATED ENTRANCE OFF OF BRIGHT ROAD? UH, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT. YEAH. I ACTUALLY WAS JUST DRIVING FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE AND THEIR VILLA COMMUNITY HAS A GATE. [00:55:01] UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS FEEL IS IMPORTANT, UH, THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS TO THE EAST WE OR THE NORTH, WE WOULD CERTAINLY, UH, CONTINUE TO ENTERTAIN THAT. UH, WE DID REMOVE IT FOR THIS VERSION JUST BECAUSE, UH, WHEN WE HAD A, A MEETING WITH ALL OF CITY STAFF ENGINEERING AND, AND, UH, TRANSPORTATION, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT THEY PREFER NOT TO HAVE IT. UM, BUT WE WOULD WELCOME THE CONVERSATION TO WHETHER IT IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT. AND THESE ARE ALL GONNA BE ALL PRIVATE ROADS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO, SO THAT TO ME, THAT'S, IF IT WAS A PUBLIC ROAD, IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAN IF IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD AND IT MIGHT BE MORE FLEXIBILITY. SO AGAIN, I, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION AT THE LAST PLAN. I REALLY LIKED THAT IDEA. UM, AND WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT WHETHER WE COULD SEVER THE VILLAS OFF FROM THE, THE MAIN BUILDING WITH SOME KIND OF A, LIKE JUST NOT LET CARS DRIVE THROUGH THERE AT ALL. AND YOU SAID THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE INTERESTED IN, BUT I'D STILL LIKE TO KEEP THAT, THAT IDEA OF HOW THIS SITE CIRCULATES. UM, SECOND QUESTION. UM, WILL THERE BE ANY EXPECTATION THAT THIS SITE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A CONNECTION TO THE SITE, TO THE EAST? LIKE, OR I DON'T YOU SEE THAT ALL THE TIME THAT STUBS ARE CREATED SO THAT YOU DON'T CUT OFF? WOULD THIS SITE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A STUB? THAT'S RIGHT. AND WE ALWAYS LIKE CROSS CONNECTIONS LIKE THAT AND WE SHOULD PLAN THEM IN. AND AT PLATTING WE WOULD BE EXPLORING THAT FURTHER. AND CERTAINLY AT PDP WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT. SO, AND AGAIN, THAT POTENTIAL ENTRANCE COULD ACTUALLY CONNECT TO THE ROUNDABOUT ONCE THE ROUNDABOUTS FINISHED, POTENTIALLY, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SITE TO THE EAST. BUT IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE, AGAIN, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO THINK OUT IN THE FUTURE A LITTLE BIT, WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO ENTRY POINTS, BUT THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL ENTRY POINTS AND IT JUST, DOES THAT CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE THINK ABOUT THIS PLAN? WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE NO TIMELINE OR PLANS FOR THAT ROUNDABOUT OTHER THAN WE'D LIKE A BRIDGE IN A ROUNDABOUT . RIGHT. . I, I WISH IT A PRAYER. UM, I THINK THIS QUESTION HAS ALREADY BEEN BROACHED, BUT I'M GONNA BRING IT UP AGAIN THERE. THIS PLAN SHOWS A PATHWAY THAT CONNECTS THROUGH THE SITE NORTH AND SOUTH FROM, UH, EMERALD PARKWAY TO BRIGHT IS, WOULD THAT BE AN EXPECTATION TO HAVE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE SITE? PUBLIC PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY? WE WOULD LOVE THAT. UH, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IS IMPORTANT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, SO WE WOULD LOVE THAT SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT BEING WILLING TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. THAT'S RIGHT. SO I'M KIND OF THROWING THAT BACK TO THE APPLICANT. UM, YOU SAID THAT THIS, IT'S A PRIVATE SITE, BUT ARE YOU OPEN TO HAVING PUBLIC ACCESS, UM, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE GREEN SPACE ULTIMATELY THAT COMES THROUGH THERE, THERE COULD BE A PATH THERE ALSO. UM, YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IT, IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A QUESTION OF ARE YOU INVITING THE PUBLIC ONTO YOUR SITE VERSUS ALLOWING THE PUBLIC ONTO YOUR SITE. I MEAN, ALL OF OUR PROJECTS HAVE CONNECTIVITY TO PUBLIC SIDEWALKS AND CIRCULATION AROUND THE SITE, AND WE WANT OUR RESIDENTS TO UTILIZE THE INTERNAL SIDEWALK SYSTEM AND HAVE THOSE CONNECTIONS TO THE TRAILS. I THINK THAT'S A HUGE BENEFIT OF THIS LOCATION. UM, DO, DO I WANNA PUT SIGNS UP THAT SAYS, HEY, EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, CUT THROUGH HERE? UH, CERTAINLY NOT AND I, OUR INSURANCE CARRIER PROBABLY WOULDN'T LIKE THAT EITHER, BUT, UM, I AGREE THAT CONNECTIVITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. UM, AND THAT'S PART OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN A MONETIZING A BUILDING LIKE THIS, IT'S NOT JUST ON THE SITE, IT'S EVERYTHING AROUND IT. UM, SO I, I PERSONALLY LIKE THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY CONNECTED, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY DESIGN THOSE IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER WAY, WHERE IT'S NOT JUST STRAIGHT CONNECTIONS. LIKE WE CAN DO SOME LANDSCAPING AND SOME, UM, SOME THINGS AT WHERE THEY, THOSE TRAILHEADS MEET. UM, BUT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, TO HAVING THE CONNECTIONS ON SITE. OKAY. UM, I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE VILLAS. UM, THE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDINGS FRONTING ONTO BRIGHT ROAD. UM, AND, AND AGAIN, IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE SCALE OF THE HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET. SO OBVIOUSLY DUPLEXES THAT I, I HEAR THAT'S INTO THE DISCUSSION, WHICH WOULD BE WONDERFUL. UM, I'M THINKING OF A, A SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ON, UM, POST ROAD AND THOSE BUILDINGS, THEY'VE TURNED THEM. SO THE ENDS ARE TWO POST ROAD, SO THAT YOU DON'T SEE THE LONG FACADE, YOU JUST SEE THE ENDS. AND IF, IF YOU GO TO THE ELEVATION OF THE ENDS, YOU, YOU SEE THEN, THEN YOU HAVE A, [01:00:01] A SCALE THAT THEN MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE, WHICH MEANS COULD YOU TURN SOME OF THESE UNITS? SO THAT, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER OPTION TO THE DUPLEXES. I, I GUESS I'M JUST, I'M SUGGESTING HAD YOU THOUGHT ABOUT OTHER WAYS TO ACHIEVE THAT KIND OF GOAL? MM-HMM . YEAH, SURE. UM, AND ACTUALLY ON OUR PRIOR ITERATION OF THE PLAN ON THE, THE NORTHWEST CORNER, THOSE VILLAS WERE PERPENDICULAR TO BRIGHT ROAD. UM, I PERSONALLY REALLY LIKED THE, THE IDEA OF JUST BREAKING THOSE UNITS UP. UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT WITH APPROPRIATE LANDSCAPING IN BI, I THINK IT CAN LOOK REALLY NICE FROM BRIGHT ROAD, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE DRESS UP THE FRONTS OF THOSE BUILDING. SO I THINK BREAKING UP THOSE MASSES WOULD, AT THIS POINT, THE CIRCULATION, UH, IT FEELS PRETTY GOOD AND WE'RE ABLE TO FIT AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF VILLAS WITHOUT CROWDING THE SITE. UM, AND SO IF, IF THE COMMISSION'S OPEN TO IT, I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE SPLITTING THOSE UP, UM, PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND SEE IF THAT ALLEVIATES THAT CONCERN. THE, THE OTHER, AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS GONNA BE A, I THINK A BIG DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION THAT THIS PARTICULAR EDGE, BECAUSE OF SENSITIVITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, YOU SHOWED THE RENDERING OF THE VILLAS WITH THE, THE BERM IN THE LANDSCAPING, UM, THAT MAY HAVE DONE JUSTICE TO THE BUILDINGS, BUT IT DIDN'T DO ANY JUSTICE TO THE CASE OF THAT EDGE. SO, UM, ARE YOU OPEN TO MAYBE THINKING ABOUT A, A LARGER SETBACK TO MS. NEWELL'S POINT? MAYBE YOU TAKE SOME OFF OF EMERALD BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT MORE THAN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO AND SLIDE EVERYTHING TO THE SOUTH. AND SO YOU PICK UP MORE SPACE THERE. AND THEN THE QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION WOULD BE, IS IT IT, SHOULD THESE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, CONNECT TO THE STREET OR SHOULD THEY BE SET BACK AND BUFFERED FROM THE STREET? SO, UM, I THINK THE QUESTION, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, ARE YOU OPEN TO ADJUSTING THE PLAN TO PROVIDE MORE OF A SETBACK BUFFER? YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. I THINK THAT CAN, UH, DO THAT FAIRLY EASILY. AND I WAS GONNA SAY, MOST OF THE RESIDENTS ON BROWN ROAD ARE PRETTY FAR SET BACK YEAH. FROM THE ROADWAY. SO YEAH, THERE, IT'S NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE'S HOUSES OUT ON THE STREET WITH A SIDEWALK THAT THEY CONNECT TO. I THINK BEING RESPECTFUL TO THE CHARACTER IN BRIGHT ROAD, THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING AT THE SETBACKS. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD MEET THOSE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. AND I THINK YOU CAN GIVE SOMETHING AWAY ON EMERALD SO THAT YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE ON, ON BRIGHT. UM, ARE WE GONNA TALK MORE ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE? ARE YOU GONNA, ONCE WE GET THROUGH OUR QUESTIONS? OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS NOT, WE'RE GONNA DELIBERATE, WE'RE NOT TRYING NOT TO MAKE ALL MY COMMENTS DELIBER. WE'RE GONNA DELIBERATE. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION THAT IN MY, UH, CAN SARAH, CAN YOU PULL UP, THERE'S A, UM, CROSS SECTION ELEVATION OF THE CENTER PORTION OF THE THREE STORY PORTION OF THE, THAT HAS LIKE TWO ELEVATIONS ON IT. IT'S, IT'S GOT THE PORTIER IN IT TOO. I THINK IT JUST CAUGHT MY, MY EYE. UM, IT, IT, THERE'S THE PORT RICO SHARES HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU. YEAH. THERE'S AN EL THERE'S ONE THAT, THERE'S A DIFFERENT ONE. THERE'S, THERE'S A ELEVATION THAT, UM, AND I DON'T, I'M SURE IT'S IN HERE SOMEWHERE THAT MAKES THE, THE THREE STORY ELEMENT LOOK LIKE THERE'S ONE SEC SECTION THAT'S ONE, ONE HEIGHT. AND THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION THAT'S ANOTHER HEIGHT. AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THAT. THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IT EITHER. I THINK IT'S THAT ONE. MAYBE I CAN'T FIND IT OUT. ANYWAY, I'M GONNA ASK THE QUESTION WITHOUT THE GRAPHIC . IS, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN BUILDING HEIGHT OF THE THREE STORY SECTION? LIKE, IS IT, AND I JUST WONDERED WHAT IS THE, THE DIFF THE DELTA BETWEEN THE HIGHEST POINT AND THEN THE NEXT HIGHEST POINT? YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT. THE UM, AND THE INTENT THERE IS TO CREATE MULTIPLE LEVELS OF ROOF LINES SO THAT WE'RE STEPPING DOWN AS WE APPROACH BOTH BRIGHT ROAD AND EMERALD. SO THE SECTION YOU'RE SEEING HERE, AND I THINK IF YOU GO MAYBE BACK ONE, UH, THIS, THIS HERE IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. UH, SO THAT CENTER SECTION OF THE BUILDING THAT'S, UM, THE DARKER SIDING IS INTENDED TO BE LIKE THE FOCAL POINT OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS INTENDED TO SORT OF FADE AWAY A LITTLE BIT USING DIFFERENT COLORS. AND, UH, SO THAT ROOF LINE, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT, UH, DIFFERENTIAL THERE, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE 10, YOU KNOW, 5, 5 10 FEET OR SO. UH, BETWEEN THE CENTER SECTION AND THE SURROUNDING ROOF LINES. WHAT I FIND INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE DARKER MATERIAL ON THE TALLER ONE AND THE LIGHTER MATERIAL ON THE SHORTER ONE, THAT IT'S ACTUALLY EXAGGERATING IT TO MAKE THE, THE TALLER ONE EVEN TALLER. AND I JUST THINK THAT AGAIN, UM, [01:05:01] I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENCE. AND IT WASN'T JUST THE, THE, THE GRAPHIC WASN'T ACCURATE. SO. ALRIGHT, THAT WAS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD. I'M GONNA ASK THE COMMISSION, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER, UH, QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT. WE WILL HOLD ON COMMISSION QUESTIONS AND I'M NOW GONNA OPEN UP THE MIC FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. SO ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ABOUT THIS CASE, PLEASE STEP UP TO THE PLATFORM. PUT TURN THE MIC ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. HI, I AM DONNA DEL. I AM AT 41 70 BRIGHT ROAD. I'M ACTUALLY THAT LITTLE HOUSE ON THE BOTTOM DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE TRIPLEX. UM, MY COMMENTS ARE MADE. WE RECEIVED A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PDF THAN THIS. SO MY COMMENTS ARE BASED ON WHAT WE SAW PREVIOUSLY, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE CHANGES. UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A LARGE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT MR. DORSEY DESCRIBED AS A LUXURY HOTEL MIX WITH WHAT'S BEST DESCRIBED AS A RURAL AREA. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO STYLES AND I THINK IT TAKES A REALLY STELLAR DESIGN TO BRIDGE THAT GAP. AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS IT. UM, THIS PLAN CREATES A DRIVABLE CONNECTION BETWEEN EMERALD AND BRIGHT. THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY A ROAD. AND I FORESEE THAT BEING A PROBLEM. UM, I I, I JUST KNOW PEOPLE ARE GONNA USE IT WITHOUT THE SAFETY NET THAT COMES WITH HAVING AN ACTUAL ROAD. UM, THIS COMPLEX IS BEING MARKETED TO ACTIVE INDEPENDENT SENIORS WHO ARE LIKELY STILL DRIVING, EVIDENCED BY GARAGES AND LARGE PARKING AREAS. ALL OF THE INDEPENDENT APARTMENTS ARE ON THE BRIGHT ROAD SIDE. COUPLE THAT WITH BRIGHT BEING THE MOST DIRECT PATH TO AND FROM SAWMILL AND THE RIGHT TURN ONLY EXIT ON EMERALD. AND THIS DESIGN CREATES A FUNNEL OF TRAFFIC TO BRIGHT. NO ONE'S GONNA GO RIGHT ON EMERALD RIVERSIDE AND THEN HARD TO GET BACK TO SAWMILL. UM, EVEN A TRIP TO KROGER OR CVS IS GONNA END UP USING BRIGHT ROAD, UM, THAT ADDS NEARLY 200 UNITS, VISITORS AND EMPLOYEES ON A SMALL ROAD THAT IS THE RESIDENT'S ONLY WAY IN AND OUT OF THEIR HOMES. UM, WE SHOULD ALSO NOTE THAT BRIGHT ROAD SIDE OF HOPEWELL IS THE ENTRANCE FOR THE STAFF AND THE PARENTS DRIVING. UM, SO WE GET QUITE A BIT OF, UM, TRAFFIC MOST OF THE YEAR THERE. SORRY, AM NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER. THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THIS . OKAY. I, I, UM, COMPARISONS TO BEACON BOTHER ME A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE I FEEL IT'S COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES. BEACON IS NOT NEXT TO ANY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND SO THE DENSITY DIFFERENCES NEED TO BE CONSIDERED PRACTICALLY DOUBLING WHAT'S THERE NOW IS A LOT, ESPECIALLY TO BLEND WITH HOMES ON AN ACRE OR MORE LOTS. UM, ALSO IT'D BE NICE TO SEE THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC IMPACT FROM BEACON BEFORE WE ADD MORE. UM, THE VILLAS LOOK LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX TO ME. UM, THERE, THERE ARE MORE OF THEM AND LARGER VILLAS THAN THE LAST PLAN. AND EVEN THE DUPLEX SIZE OVERPOWERS OUR HOMES. AND AS YOU STATED, THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD COMPARED TO OUR HOUSES. UM, IT'S A LOT. UM, IT CREATES A HARSH TRANSIT TRANSITION OVERALL. UM, THE TALLEST STORY, THE MAIN BUILDING WILL BE VERY CLEARLY SEEN FROM BRIGHT ROAD. A LOT OF THE TREES THAT BUFFERED IT ARE GONE. UM, A TWO STORY BUILDING FOR ME IS A BETTER FIT. IT FITS WITH WHAT WAS ALREADY EXPECTED THERE. UM, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT THREE STORIES, WHY DON'T WE HAVE THREE STORIES ON THE EMERALD SIDE THAT SEEMS TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO ME, WHERE WE CAN GO 3, 2, 1. EVEN THOUGH I DON'T WANT THE VILLAS AT ALL, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT CONNECTION SHOULD HAPPEN. UM, HOPE WILL HAS A BEAUTIFUL FACADE. I DON'T THINK THIS DESIGN REALLY FEELS LIKE IT HAS FRONTAGE. UM, EVEN THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS ON THE SIDE AND NOW WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ENTRANCES AND YOU HAVE TO GO PAST ONE TO GET TO THE MAIN. I I JUST THINK THAT COULD BE IMPROVED. UM, I HONESTLY THINK IF YOU TURN THE BUILDING SIDEWAYS, IT WOULD TAKE AWAY A LOT OF THE ISSUES. UM, WITH 60% OF THIS BUILDING BEING INDEPENDENT AND ONLY [01:10:01] 40% CARE, I'M CONCERNED RESIDENTS WILL HAVE A HARD TIME STEPPING UP THEIR CARE NEEDS AS THERE ARE LESS UNITS AS THE NEEDS INCREASE. UM, THIS IS A LUXURY COMPLEX AND WILL LIKELY BE PRIVATE PAY. UM, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOW MANY BEDS ARE NEEDED, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S AFFORDABLE FOR PARENTS, FOR PEOPLE. NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD A LUXURY BUILDING. UM, MY MOM'S 85 AND LIVES WITH US AND HAS DEMENTIA. AND THE REASON SHE'S NOT IN A PLACE LIKE THIS IS BECAUSE SHE'S IN THE MIDDLE BRACKET WHERE THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THIS AND THEY AREN'T POOR ENOUGH TO GET MEDICAID ASSISTANCE. WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE. UM, IN CONCLUSION, I I'M SHAKING. I'M SO SORRY. WOO. OKAY, I GOT THIS. I FEEL ZONING VARIANCES SHOULD BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY TO AVOID NEGATIVELY AFFECTING EXISTING RESIDENTS AND THEIR HOME VALUES. THIS COMPLEX IS TOO LARGE FOR THIS AREA, BOTH IN DENSITY AND IN HEIGHT. THIS PLAN NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING IT. CONNECTING EMERALD AND BRIGHT CREATES A SLEW OF PROBLEMS THAT I THINK CAN ONLY BE SOLVED AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE BY MAKING IT A REAL ROAD. UM, ALSO, HOPEWELL'S CROSSING GUARD IS RIGHT THERE AT MACBETH AND BRIGHT. ANOTHER NOTE, UM, IT'S GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT TRAFFIC PATTERNS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RIDE IN RIDE OUT. UM, IT'S ULTIMATELY GONNA REDUCE OUR HOME VALUES, UM, OF LONGTIME DUBLIN RESIDENTS. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU, DONNA. WE ALSO HAVE, I THINK YOU SUBMITTED YOUR COMMENTS IN WRITING TOO. I DID, YES. WE ALL HAVE THOSE AND HAVE READ THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND REMIND YOU THAT YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. WHEN THE RED LIGHT STARTS BLINKING, IT'S UP. . UM, MY NAME'S ERIC BRI GARDNER. I RESIDE AT 4,200 BRIGHT ROAD. I ALSO SPOKE IN APRIL. UM, MY HOUSE IS IMMEDIATELY FACING PROBABLY THE, THE MOST NORTH VILLA. UM, SO AGAIN, I'M, I'M VERY MUCH AGAINST THIS, BUT I I I DON'T WANNA SOUND LIKE THAT. I'M AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. UM, I WOULD, I WOULD BE THRILLED WITH THESE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE HOUSES FACING US IF THEY WERE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION REALLY THINKING ABOUT US AND A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TONIGHT ABOUT, ABOUT US BECAUSE I, I AGREE THAT 50 FEET IS, IS NOT ENOUGH AND CONSIDERING WITH THIS BERM AND, UM, MR. DORSEY TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IN EVERGREENS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE GONNA BE WITH THE, WITH THE SIDEWALK, WITH THE BERM, WITH EVERGREENS. THIS ISN'T ENOUGH FOR BIG PINE TREES FOR, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WOULD SEPARATE THIS PROPERTY. UM, AND I THINK MR. GARVIN ASKED ABOUT, UM, HOW RESIDENTS FEEL ABOUT, UM, THE BLOCKAGE. FROM OUR VIEW, I ALMOST THINK I WANT A BIGGER BURN, MORE AREAS, BECAUSE THESE REALLY DO FEEL LIKE APARTMENTS. THIS IS, THIS ISN'T, THESE AREN'T RESIDENTIAL HOMES. THESE AREN'T SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THESE, THIS, THESE DON'T FEEL LIKE NEIGHBORS. TO ME, THIS FEELS LIKE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, A LUXURY HOTEL, AS MR. DORSEY SAID, BEING PUT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY, FROM MY HOME IN A RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO TO ME THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE BREAKS IN THE BERM. I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE REDUCED BERM. I WOULD WANNA SEE MORE OF IT SO THAT WAY OUR RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD AT LEAST WOULD FEEL LIKE IT HAS A BREAK FROM, FROM THIS COMMERCIAL DENSELY POPULATED, YOU KNOW, AREA THAT ISN'T IN LINE WITH, WITH THE REST OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT AT LAST MEETING THE COMMISSION SAID HOW THEY COMMENDED MR. DORSEY FOR CONSULTING, THE NEIGHBORS, FOR SPEAKING WITH US. WE'VE HEARD NOTHING FROM HIM SINCE APRIL. NO, NO. UM, NO ATTEMPTS TO COMPROMISE TO GET OUR OPINIONS TO EVEN CONSULT WITH US. I WAS REALLY HOPING I COULD COME INTO THIS MEETING SAYING, YOU KNOW, MR. DORSEY DID A GREAT JOB OF EVEN SEEKING OUT OUR FEEDBACK OF LISTENING TO US. WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THE LAST MEETING TO, TO REGARD TO OUR CONCERNS, TO OUR SENTIMENTS ABOUT ESPECIALLY THE, THE SETBACKS, THE BURBS AND EVERYTHING ELSE FROM OUR, OUR VIEWPOINTS. UM, THE BIGGEST THING STILL BEING THAT THAT BRIGHT ROAD ENTRANCE, EVEN WITH A GATED, UM, ENTRANCE, A LOT OF THOSE GATES WE BROUGHT UP WOULD BE ACTIVATED BY SIRENS. THE REALITY IS THAT BROUGHT THIS UP IN APRIL, THAT THIS IS GOING TO BRING A LOT OF FIRE TRUCKS, A LOT OF MEDICAL, UM, ENTRANCES NEXT TO A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S, THIS IS GONNA BE IMPACTING US SIGNIFICANTLY. I THINK WE'D BE, BE LYING TO OURSELVES IF WE SAID IT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE THE CASE. ALONG WITH ALL THE, THE TRAFFIC OF MEDICAL SUPPLIES. YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE HIGH-END LUXURY RESTAURANTS, EVERYTHING THAT'S NEEDED, ALL THIS TRAFFIC GOING DOWN BRIGHT ROAD, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THE MOST CONVENIENT WAY IN AND OUT. AND THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE ON OUR VERY QUIET STREET WITH, WITH MINIMAL TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE COMPLETELY DESTROYED BY THIS PROJECT. SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU WERE, UM, A LOT OF THOSE POINTS WERE BROUGHT UP ABOUT, ABOUT THE VILLAS. I WOULD AGREE THOUGH, WITH TURNING THEM SIDEWAYS SO IT WOULD FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT HAVING THESE VILLAS, THESE APARTMENTS, LOOKING RIGHT INTO OUR PROPERTY AT VERY SHORT DISTANCE. I, I [01:15:01] WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF THAT AS WELL. UM, AGAIN, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF A BIGGER SETBACK, REDUCTION IN THIS, SO THAT WAY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FEELS SEPARATE FROM, FROM THIS AREA. BUT IF THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, I'D, I'D LOVE TO COME BACK AND FEEL LIKE WE'VE COMPROMISED ON THIS, THAT WE'VE HAD SOME FEEDBACK, SOME INTERACTION WITH MR. DORSEY AT THIS POINT. I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT HE'S TELLING US. UM, A LOT OF WHAT HE'S TOLD US LAST TIME ISN'T IN LINE WITH WHAT'S STILL HAPPENING. SO I WOULD FOR MORE OF THAT. BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION FOR LOOKING OUT FOR US. 'CAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE SO DETRIMENTAL TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, TO OUR FAMILIES, THE CULTURE, THE, AND EVERYTHING THAT MAKES THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIAL IS GOING TO BE GONE BECAUSE OF THIS. SO REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. DON'T BE SHY. COME ON UP. NOBODY ELSE. I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. OKAY. USUALLY WHEN I GET TO THIS POINT, SOMEBODY STANDS UP. ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE ARE GONNA NOW TURN IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DELIBERATION. MS. NEWELL, YOU SEEM LIKE YOU WERE READY TO DIVE INTO THE DISCUSSION. OH, I'M HAPPY TO TALK. UM, SO, UM, LOOKING AT SOME OF HER POINTS IN OUR SCREEN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE, UM, A TREMENDOUS OBJECTION TO THE DENSITY ON SITE. I DO THINK THEY NEED TO MEET THEM SETBACKS THAT ARE PROPOSED FROM THE CITY, AND I THINK YOU HAVE THE, I THINK THEY HAVE THE ABILITY WITHIN THAT PLAN TO ADJUST THAT. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR THAT, UM, THE WATER FEATURE IS TRULY A WATER FEATURE, THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME A DETENTION AREA. UM, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE OVERALL MASSING AND, UM, DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, THE, THE ONE THING THAT STRUCK ME AND I, I LIKE THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF CEMENT BOARD SLIDING IN PLACE IN TERMS OF THAT PROPORTION BETWEEN THE STONE THAT I THINK COULD BE IMPROVED UPON. UM, LOOKING AT THAT, I REALLY DID NOT HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THE GARAGES BECAUSE OF THEY'RE POSITIONED ON SITE. I THINK THEY'RE A PRETTY GOOD BUFFER BETWEEN THERE AND THE SCHOOL FACILITY AT HOPEWELL ELEMENTARY. UM, I THOUGHT THEY MATCHED THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING. I THINK THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS MAKE THE GARAGE LOOK BETTER THAN HAVING SOLID DOORS. SO I APPRECIATED THAT THOSE WERE THERE. UM, CAN YOU PULL UP THE ONE ELEVATION THAT FACES ONTO EMERALD PARKWAY? SO I, I HAVE A SUGGESTION WITH THIS ELEVATION TO MAKE IT APPEAR BETTER THAN JUST HAVING THAT GATE. SO WHAT APPEARS LIKE IT'S AN ENTRANCE TO THAT BUILDING. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU WOULD USE THAT COURTYARD AS A MEN AN AMENITY FOR YOUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE. SO WHERE YOU HAVE A CENTRAL GATE, THERE COULD USUALLY BE A THREE-SIDED STRUCTURE THERE THAT WAS OPEN AIRED, THAT WAS A GATHERING PLACE THAT COULD BE USED FOR THE RESIDENTS. BUT FROM THE STREET SIDE, IT APPEARS LIKE IT'S STRUCTURE AND BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT GATES ALONG EMERALD PARTNERING. AND I, AM I EXPLAINING THAT CORRECTLY? IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU? SO I IT SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD ADD SOMETHING ACTUALLY TO YOUR PROJECT THAT WOULD ADD SOMETHING TO THE RESIDENTS THERE AND WOULD HELP THAT ELEVATION ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU MR. GARVIN. THANK YOU. UM, I THINK, WELL I'LL KIND OF RUN DOWN THESE FIRST. UM, SO THE DENSITY ADEQUATELY RESPOND TO VISION DUBLIN. I THINK THE MAIN BULK OF THE BUILDINGS ARE HIGHER DENSITY THAN, THAN WHAT WAS ENVISIONED. UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE STEP DOWN. UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE HIGHER, THE TALLER BUILDINGS IN THE CENTER SO THAT IT STEPS DOWN IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. UM, AND IN TERMS OF DENSITY ON THE, WE'LL SAY RESIDENTIAL SIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT DOES SEEM IN LINE INAPPROPRIATE. UM, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS ABOUT BREAKING UP THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THE BRIGHT ROAD SIDE. UM, I GUESS I'VE GONE IN TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS BECAUSE INITIALLY WE DISCUSSED ENGAGEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I, YOU KNOW, WAS THINKING OF WAYS TO MAKE THOSE MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOME-LIKE AND CONNECTED TO THE ROAD. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE SETBACKS AND IN LIGHT OF MS. NEWELL'S COMMENTS, I THINK THERE IS ROOM TO, AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THERE'S ROOM TO PUSH THOSE BACK, REDUCE THE SETBACK ON THE EMERALD SIDE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, AS WE GO DOWN THIS PATH FURTHER, WE'LL SEE HOW, UM, THE ELEVATIONS FROM EMERALD ARE IMPACTED BY THAT MASK BEING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. UM, [01:20:01] IT'S OBVIOUSLY STILL GONNA BE A A A, A TIGHT ROPE TO WALK. UM, IT WOULD STILL, IT WOULD STILL BE RESPECTING THE PLAN SETBACK ON EMERALD PARK LANE. THAT WAS, THAT, THAT WAS MY POINT THAT YOU WERE ACCOMMODATING WHAT, WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED TO BEGIN WITH ON BOTH SIDES. I AGREE. YEAH, THERE'S ROOM FOR BOTH, UM, AS WE POINTED OUT ABOUT 40 EXTRA FEET. SO, UM, EXPECTATIONS FOR SUCCESSFUL PD RELATIVE TO OPEN SPACE. THIS IS TRICKY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT, UH, FRICTION BETWEEN THE DESIRE TO KEEP, UH, A POTENTIALLY VULNERABLE POPULATION, UM, SEPARATE OR PROTECTED, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. BUT, UH, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THROUGHOUT DUBLIN THAT WE HAVE THESE PATHS THAT ALLOW PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, THAT ACT AS AN AMENITY FOR THE NEIGHBORS, EVEN ON A PROJECT THAT'S NOT IDEAL FOR 'EM. UM, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT IT'S USEFUL THAT, UM, THAT IT IS MAYBE NOT INVITING THE PUBLIC BUT AT AT LEAST AVAILABLE. AND THERE'S PROBABLY A WAY TO KEEP THAT SEPARATED. I THINK YOU'VE DONE A LOT IN TERMS OF YOUR PRIVATE SPACE AND PUBLIC SPACE IN THE, ON THE PROPOSAL. SO I'M SUPPORTIVE AS IT IS, UM, MAIN BUILDINGS HEIGHT MASSING ARTICULATION. SO AS I SAY, I, I APPRECIATE THE DESIGN OF THE MAIN BUILDING. I THINK YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO, UM, BREAK UP THE ROOF LINES AND REDUCE THAT MASSING. AGAIN, IT IS HEAVY, UM, ACCORDING TO THE EVEN ENVISION DUBLIN KIND OF GUIDELINES. SO THE SEPARATE GARAGE STRUCTURES I'M, UH, UH, WOULD AGREE WITH MS. NEWELL. I'M NOT AS CONCERNED WITH, I THINK THAT THE LOCATION OF THEM DOES BUFFER A LITTLE BIT. IT'S, IT'S AWAY FROM EMERALD AND BRIGHT. IT'S ALONG THE TREE LINE IN THERE. UNASSUMING. THAT'S NOT A BIG CONCERN FOR ME. UM, UH, UH, AND ONE THOUGHT THAT I THINK WE HEARD TOUCHED ON IS MAKING THE TRIPLEXES OR EVEN THE DUPLEXES SIDEWAYS, UM, MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY IN THAT SCENARIO TO HAVE THE BRIGHT ROAD FACING SIDE IF EVEN IF IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT ENTRANCE TO HAVE A TREATMENT THAT GIVES IT AN IMPRESSION OF A, OF A FRONT ENTRANCE TO THAT SIDE IF YOU DO GO THAT ROUTE. UM, AND THEN MOST OF MY OTHER CONCERNS ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO CONSIDER IN FUTURE STAGES. SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR NOW. THANK YOU MR. ARVIN. MR. ALEXANDER. ALRIGHT. UM, I THINK GENERALLY THE PROJECT RESPONDS WELL TO THE SITE CONCEPT. I THINK THE MASSING CONNECTS VERY WELL WITH THE SCHOOL. EVEN THE ARTICULATION OF THE FRONT ELEVATION IS PICKING UP ELEMENTS OF THE SCHOOL. UM, I I, I LIKE THE MASSING ADJACENT TO THE HOUSES, UM, WHICH BREAKS DOWN AND RELATES TO THE CONTEXT THERE. COULD IT BE SH COULD THEY BE SHIFTED BACK SLIGHTLY? SURE. UM, THE DENSITY, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY PROVED IT. I THINK THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE INTERESTING BECAUSE THE USE PATTERN FOR THIS TYPE OF USE IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN A USE PATTERN FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I THINK WHEN WE, WE THINK ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACT OF THIS ONE NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FUNCTION OF A PLACE FOR SENIORS WHO AREN'T RUNNING AS MANY ERRANDS AS NONS SENIORS. SO I'M, I'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT, BUT IN TERMS OF CONCERN ABOUT THE DENSITY, I'M NOT, THERE ARE TWO WAYS OF LOOKING AT THE OPEN SPACE QUESTION. THERE'S OPEN SPACE, HOW IT LINKS AND RELATES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE ON. PART OF THAT IS THE BRIGHT ROAD FRONTAGE AND HOW THAT OPEN SPACE CONNECTS WITH THE CHARACTER OF BRIGHT. AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS ALONG SAWMILL OR NOT, UH, ALONG ELMORE PARKWAY YOU HAVE MORE OF A LAWN UP TO THE SCHOOL, BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE RESIDENCES, WE HAVE BERMS AND TREES. AND SO THERE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS. AND SO I THINK SEEING HOW THIS TIES INTO WHAT'S GOING ON ALONG THE WHOLE PARKWAY IS IMPORTANT. I THINK THE INTERIOR SPACE IS ACTUALLY HANDLED VERY WELL AND THAT'S WHY I ASK YOU ABOUT THE NORTH COURTYARD BECAUSE BETWEEN THE NORTH COURTYARD AND YOUR PAVILION, THEY ACTUALLY ACT TO LINK AND, AND THE OPEN SPACE THAT MAY BE DEVELOPED AT THE WATER FEATURE TO PAVILION, IT ACTUALLY ACTS TO LINK THESE TWO VERY DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE SITE. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY GOOD FOR THE RESIDENTS AND IT'S GOOD FOR LINKING TWO DIFFERENT USES. SO I THINK THAT'S HANDLED VERY, VERY WELL. UM, YOUR ELEVATIONS, WE HAVE A LOT OF APPLICANTS WHO TRY TO BREAK DOWN BIG BUILDINGS INTO SMALLER MASSES COMPONENT PARTS, BUT THEIR CHALLENGE IS TO CREATE HIERARCHY. AND WHAT, HOW DO YOU MAKE SOMETHING IMPORTANT IN A BIG BUILDING WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THIS VARIETY? AND I THINK YOUR ELEVATIONS ARE THE BEST I'VE SEEN AT DOING THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD. SO I THINK THE ELEVATIONS ARE VERY, VERY GOOD. SO I COMMEND EITHER YOUR [01:25:01] TEAM FOR THOSE. I LIKE THE WAY YOU'RE USING COLOR, BUT ALSO MATERIALS TO CREATE HIERARCHY, BUT VARIETY WITHOUT CHAOS. AND I, I, I LIKE THE SIMPLIFIED GARAGES OVER WHAT YOU HAD BEFORE. I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IT. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT IT. AND THE ONE OTHER CONSIDERATION WHEN KIM BROUGHT UP THE POINT ABOUT THE PATH, AND ACTUALLY I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU COULD WALK THROUGH THIS, IF YOU FLIP THAT ONE WALK TO THE OTHER SIDE, WHAT WOULD BE THE EAST SIDE OF THE EN OF THE EAST ENTRYWAY, THEN YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR A WALK THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS MIGHT BE LESS INCLINED TO USE BECAUSE IT'S ACROSS THE STREET. AND IF YOU USE THAT, THEN IT COULD PROMOTE MOVEMENT, WHICH I THINK ACTUALLY THINK WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE PATHS ARE NICE FOR CYCLING BECAUSE THERE'S SO FEW INTERRUPTIONS, PARTICULARLY ON THE PARKWAY. SO THEN HAVING A CONNECTION THROUGH THERE TO BRIGHT, I THINK I THINK WOULD BE NICE AND COULD ACCOMPLISH MORE OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND. SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND ALSO THE RESIDENTS FOR COMING OUT. WE APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME HOMEWORK THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE. A COUPLE THINGS IS, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD THERE'S A HISTORIC AREA AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FIERCE RIGHT PARK THERE, UH, TO GET THE FEEL OF THAT. I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE DID NOT TOO LONG AGO WITH THE HOMES THAT ARE IN THERE AND WHAT THAT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE. THERE'S A FENCE THAT THEY HAVE THERE, THEY'VE GOT IT STORED AWAY, AND SO THEY'RE GONNA BRING THAT BACK OUT. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT INCORPORATING, I, I'M NOT ENCOURAGING THAT, BUT I'M ENCOURAGING THE IDEA OF THE CONVERSATION AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, HOW THE SETBACKS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NEIGHBORHOOD IS, UH, THE STREETS ARE NOT VERY WIDE. IT'S A VERY QUIET, UM, STREET AREA. AND THEY'VE ALSO HAD THEIR CHANGES WHERE IT WAS OPEN TO RIVERSIDE AND PROBABLY THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR SO, IT'S BEEN CLOSED. THAT'S A BIG CHANGE. AND, AND THAT WAS INTENTIONALLY DONE WITH THE CITY AND THE THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT AS WELL TOO. AND KNOWING THAT ALL THIS OTHER THINGS THAT WERE GOING TO BE HAPPENING, UM, THE MAIN BUILDING, I THINK, UM, I, I LIKE WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT. WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT YOU PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THAT BUILDING. I SEE THE CONNECTION OF THE LOOK WITH THE SCHOOL AND SO FORTH. THE STONE IS WAY HIGH, PROBABLY HIGHER THAN I AM. AND THEN I LOOK AT THE VILLAS AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY LOW. IF I WOULD PLANT A FEW BUSHES, I BET THAT WOULD COVER THAT UP. AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT SIGHTING THAT YOU'RE USING AND THINGS OF THAT SORT THAT WOULD THEN TAKE PLACE OVER THAT. UM, SO, AND I HAVE TROUBLE WITH HOW MANY VILLAS THEY ARE, AND IF YOU TURN 'EM AROUND AND MOVE THINGS AROUND AND SO FORTH, MAYBE, MAYBE A WAY TO LOOK AT IT. BUT STILL IT'S A LOT AND IT'S, AND IT'S VERY CLOSE, UM, TO THE ROAD AND NOT, NOT TO MEET WITH, WITH THE RESIDENTS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, UM, SINCE MARCH WHEN YOU MET WITH THEM LAST. AH, THAT'S A MISS THERE. UH, AND SO I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE BY THE TIME YOU COME BACK THAT YOU'VE HAD GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND WORKING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM BECAUSE I THINK THEY'VE GOT SOME PRETTY GOOD IDEAS. LIKE THE ONE WITH THE, THE, UM, IF IT HAPPENS TO BE THAT, UM, THERE'S FIRE VEHICLES, EMS GOING IN AND OUT, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN WORK OUT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THAT THEY'RE ONLY USE ONE AT, UM, EXIT AND TO SEE IF THAT'S A VIABLE WAY OR NOT. UM, SO, BUT THAT'S A CONVERSATION YOU COULD BE HAVING WITH THAT TOO. UM, AND AGAIN, MOST OF THE HOMES ARE ALL, ALL ALL, UM, SET AND SO FORTH, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE KEEPING THE TREE LINES. YOU MAY WANNA HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE SCHOOLS TOO, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT PATHS THAT EVERYBODY'S, UM, SAT HERE AND DISCUSSED WHAT KIND OF PATHS THEY ON THAT SIDE THAT IS A CONNECTABILITY AND MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER WAY OF A CONVERSATION. BUT, UM, I DO THINK THIS IS HIGH EXPECTATION IN THIS AREA, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BRIGHT ROAD AND THAT'S ASKED BY THE CITY THAT'S ASKED BY THIS AND, AND, AND, AND THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT HERE. UM, AND I GUESS YOU KNOW ABOUT THE GARAGES, UM, I HAVE SEEN THAT BEFORE. FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE HAS THAT AS WELL LONG. IT'S KIND OF A NICE BREAK BETWEEN. SO MAYBE THAT IS THE PLACE TO, TO KEEP THOSE, KEEP THOSE THERE WELL TOO. BUT THERE ARE A, A LOT OF THINGS YOU NEED TO GO BACK, THINK ABOUT, DO SOME HOMEWORK AND BE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, WHAT'S [01:30:01] HAPPENING ON BRIGHT ROAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. HARGER. MR. CHINOOK, UH, THANK YEAH. AND ECHO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS YOU'VE HEARD ALREADY TONIGHT, BUT I, I I WILL, I WILL ADD TO THIS THAT KIND OF RELATED TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH THIS SITE IN GENERAL. UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT ENVISION DUBLIN HAS FOR THIS SITE, IT'S A CHALLENGING SITE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'S GOT THE, THE, THE WATER IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GOT TWO, UM, DISTINCT USES. BUT OF WHAT WE COULD BE LOOKING AT AND WHAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS AREA, WE COULD BE LOOKING AT OFFICE SPACE. WE COULD BE LOOKING AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT USES. I THINK THIS, UM, WHICH HAS BEEN SAID IS A, IS A PERFECT USE FOR THIS. IT'S, IT, IT TRANSITIONS NICELY. IT FITS IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. UM, IT HAS THAT RESIDENTIAL FEEL. UM, AND I THINK IT ACTUALLY ELEVATES THE, WHAT ENVISIONED DUBLIN HAD WANTED, WHAT, WHAT WAS PLANNED FOR THIS, THIS, THIS SPACE. AGAIN WITH THE, THE, THE TRANSITIONS. AND I THINK IT FITS VERY NICELY WITH THE RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STREET. IT FITS NICELY WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE SCHOOL, UM, ACROSS THE WAY. SO I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, HOW IT, HOW IT, HOW IT, HOW IT FITS INTO THE, THE, THE LONG TERM PLAN HERE, I I I THINK IT'S A GREAT, A GREAT SOLVE, A GREAT SOLUTION, UH, FOR ALL OF THAT. UM, AND THEN, AND THEN REGARDING THE OPEN SPACE, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE CONSIDER, UM, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS ON THE SETBACKS, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA MAKE THAT BRIGHT ROAD, THE VILLAS SO CLUSTERED SO THAT IT MAKES IT DENSE WHEN YOU START. 'CAUSE YOU'RE CONSTRAINED BY THE, THE RETENTION AREA. SO I THINK WE NEED TO JUST, I I, WHEN WE, WHEN WE THINK THROUGH THE MOUNDING AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MOUNDING AND THAT PATH AND ALL OF THAT, THAT'S HAPPENING THERE, I, I WOULD BE OKAY IF THE SETBACKS AREN'T EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT'S PLANNED, JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BETTER TO HAVE A, A NICER FEELING AREA BACK THERE AS OPPOSED TO GM E EVERYTHING BACK TO, TO MAINTAIN A SETBACK BECAUSE I, THE CHARACTER OF THOSE BUILDINGS DOES FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT ACTUALLY ELEVATES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 'CAUSE THE MATERIALS YOU'RE USING ARE SO NICE AND HOW THE DESIGN IS SO NICE. SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AS, AS MUCH OF A CONCERN IN MY MIND. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THINK CHALLENGE THE COMMISSION TO THINK ABOUT THE EMERALD PARKWAY SETBACK BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TWO 70 RIGHT THERE. AND I THINK PUSHING THAT BUILDING BACK AS FAR AS IT CAN POSSIBLY GO IS A GOOD THING TO KEEP THE RESIDENTS, UM, AS FAR BACK. AND IT CREATES THAT NICE STREET SCAPE THAT THAT BLENDS NICE WITH THE, UH, ADJACENT SCHOOL THERE TOO. SO THAT'S HOW I, YOU KNOW, MY, HOW I CAN KIND OF SEE THE, THE SITE PLAN, UH, LAYING OUT. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE BUILDING, I, I, I THINK, GARY, YOU SAID IT PERFECTLY. I, YOU, YOU'VE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB. I MEAN, YOU'RE USING, UH, VERY HIGH END MATERIALS. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE NATURAL MATERIALS AS, AS MENTIONED. UM, IF WE CAN BRING SOME MORE STONE AND SOME OF THAT TO, TO THE BUILDING. BUT THE ARTICULATION'S GREAT. IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE NICER BUILDINGS WE, I I'VE SEEN AS WELL SINCE THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS. UM, YOU'VE, YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF REALLY GREAT THINGS. AND AGAIN, YOU'VE RESPONDED TO IT. THE, THE, THE, THE TRANSITION. YOU'VE GOT THE, THE, THE LOWER TRANSITION TOWARDS THE RESIDENCE. YOU'VE GOT IT FEELING LIKE A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND THEN AS IT, AS IT MOVES, I, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, IN A PURE ELEVATION, I THINK YOU DON'T APPRECIATE AS MUCH AS YOU DO WHEN YOU SEE THE RENDERINGS AND HOW, HOW MUCH ARTICULATION IS, AND HOW MUCH THOUGHT HAS GONE INTO THE, THE USE OF MATERIALS AND THE USE OF STYLES. AND I WOULD KIND OF COUNTER THE THOUGHT OF ADDING ANYTHING ELSE. 'CAUSE I DON'T, I, I, IT DOESN'T, ANYTHING ELSE YOU, YOU, YOU PUT ON THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF ARTICULATION OR ANY ADDITIONAL APPENDAGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN SUGGESTED? JUST, I THINK IT ADDS MORE, I THINK GARY SAID IT TOO, MORE CHAOS TO THE BUILDING. I THINK YOU'VE GOT A REALLY NICE BLEND RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK TRYING TO DO ANYTHING MORE, UH, WOULD, WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON IT. AGAIN, I, WE COULD PROBABLY GET SOME, SOME MORE NATURAL MATERIALS AND I THINK WOULD HELP, UH, ADD, ADD TO THE CHARACTER THERE. UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL HIM, BUT GREAT JOB. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. SO, UH, AGAIN, MY COMMENTS ARE GONNA BE, I THINK, FAIRLY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD. UM, I TOO, UM, I, I HAVE ISSUES ABOUT THE DENSITY BEING MORE THAN WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BY THE PLAN. AND AGAIN, IT'S SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR THE PARCEL TO THE EAST AGAIN, FOR, AGAIN, IF WE APPROVE HIGHER DENSITY HERE, THEN THAT KIND OF OPENS UP THE DOOR THAT THAT COULD BE HIGHER DENSITY. SO AGAIN, I, SARAH, I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS 18,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE VERSUS 9,500, WHICH IS IN THE PLAN. SO WE, IF WE SUPPORT THE DENSITY, WE'RE, WE'RE SUPPORTING TWICE WHAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN SAYS. SO, UM, I THINK, AGAIN, TRANSLATING DENSITY TO WHAT IMPLICATION IT HAS ON THE SITE, I THINK THE TRANSITION FROM THE TWO STORY TO THE THREE STORY HELPS. I WOULD, AGAIN, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEROIC NATURE OF THE ROOF AS A, AS AN ELEMENT. AND I THINK THE ROOFS ARE PUSHING UP AND MAYBE GETTING A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN THEY NEED TO BE. AND THAT MIGHT HELP TO PULL THINGS DOWN AND NOT MAKE IT FEEL, IF YOU CON IF YOU CONVERT, UH, ARCHITECTURE TO DENSITY, SOME PEOPLE MAY DO THAT. BUT [01:35:01] AGAIN, I JUST, I SUPPORT THE DENSITY, BUT I AM CONCERNED THAT WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT. SO, UM, JUST WANT TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT, UM, IN TERMS OF THE OPEN SPACE, I THINK THERE'S SOME GREAT OPEN SPACE EVOLVING ON THIS. I THINK WE SHOULDN'T OVERLOOK THE HEDGE ROWS AS PART OF THE OPEN SPACE. AND MAYBE THAT, GARY, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT MAYBE YOU TRY TO CREATE A PATHWAY TO ACTIVATE THE ONE IN NOR ON THE WEST SIDE AT LEAST. UM, BUT I THINK THE, THIS, THE NOTION OF OPEN SPACE IS HOW IT RELATES TO THE COMMUNITY AND HOW IT TIES IN. UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE, AGAIN, MORE CONNECTIVITY, UH, BOTH TO EMERALD PARKWAY AND TO BRIGHT ROAD FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT. UM, AND AGAIN, THE, THE BUILDING MASSING HEIGHT, I THINK I'VE ALREADY KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT. I, AGAIN, I THINK MATERIAL WISE IT'S VERY NICE. I THINK THERE'S NICE ARTICULATION. IT'S A BIG BUILDING. I THINK YOU'VE HELPED TO BREAK IT DOWN. UM, AGAIN, THE GARAGE STRUCTURES, UM, THAT IS AN ISSUE. THE LAST GARAGE STRUCTURES I THINK WERE BUILT 20 YEARS AGO, SO WE HAVE MOVED ON FROM THAT. SO I'M HEARING THE COMMISSION SAYING THEY SUPPORT THOSE. UM, I THINK THEIR LOCATION ON THE SITE IS SOMEWHAT INNOCUOUS, THAT IT'S NOT REALLY LIKE IN ANYBODY'S FACE. UM, SO I THINK I COULD SUPPORT THAT ON A, ON A, ON THIS FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE. BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME A TREND BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'VE BEEN GOING AS A CITY. UM, I DID HAVE, AGAIN, ONE SMALL COMMENT ABOUT THE GARAGES. I, AND I'M GONNA, MAYBE ONE OF THE ARCHITECTS CAN SAY, ISN'T THE ROOF PITCH DIFFERENT THAN IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOT A VERY STEEP ROOF PITCH IN THAT KIND OF, UM, MAKES IT LOOK BIGGER AND OKAY, WELL I'D LIKE IT IF IT HAD A LOWER ROOF PITCH. I THINK IT WOULD MAKE THE GARAGES LOOK LESS, STAND OUT SO MUCH. UM, SO I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK TO THE MISSION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE? UM, JUST FOLLOWING UP ON YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE DENSITY AND SETTING A PRECEDENT. UM, IF, IF THIS WAS WHY WE REFERENCE THIS AS BEING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, IT'S STILL SEMI RESIDENTIAL AND THEN IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE WITHIN A COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE, UM, THEY GENERALLY, AND WE'LL HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES DON'T TYPICALLY GENERATE A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. SO THAT'S KIND OF THAT GIVE AND PLAY TO ME WITH THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE DENSITY. UM, I KNOW PRIOR PROJECTS THAT WE'VE HAD THAT CAME, UM, IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THEM AND WE HAD, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT THAT PARKING ACCOUNT WAS, WAS ACTUALLY GENERATING SIGNIFICANTLY MORE PARKING THAN THEY TRULY NEEDED ON THEIR SITE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR RATIO IS BETWEEN UNITS AND NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, BUT IT'S PROBABLY ONE TO A UNIT OR EVEN LESS. YOU, YOU CAN COME UP IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT, BUT THAT'S PART OF MY REASON I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THE HIGHER DENSITY ON THIS PROPERTY THAT I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SUPPORT WITH OTHER USES COMING IN. UM, THANK YOU. SO I THINK, UH, MR. DORSEY, UM, WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU AT SOME POINT IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANYTHING WE SAID, BUT I'M, I'M HEARING THE COMMISSIONS IS SUPPORTIVE OF DENSITY. OH, SORRY, CATHERINE. OH, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE DENSITY, UM, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT, UH, THAT IT'S THE PRECEDENT PART. AND IS THIS THE PROPERTY WE WANT IT TO BE SET ON THAT WE MOVE FORWARD AND HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GARAGES THAT WE SHOULD BE GOING IN ANOTHER DIRECTION. SO I DON'T WANT THIS PIECE TO BE THE PIECE THAT WE KIND OF SAY, OH, WE DID IT HERE, WE DID IT HERE. AND UM, MAYBE THIS ONE ISN'T THE ONE FOR THAT. THANK YOU. UM, I'M GONNA TAKE THE CONSENSUS THOUGH. UM, MR. DORSEY'S LOOKING FOR SOME KIND OF TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS MEETING, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT HE, HE, HE GETS THE FLAVOR OF WHERE WE ARE. I THINK GENERALLY THE COMMISSION'S SUPPORTIVE OF THE DENSITY. I THINK WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE OPEN SPACE. WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE, THE MASSING, THE HEIGHT, THE ARTICULATION, WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE GARAGE STRUCTURE. SO ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THERE. I THINK THERE'S GENERAL SUPPORT. I DON'T WANT TO SAY EVERYBODY. UM, I, I, THE ONE ITEM THAT WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IS THE BRIGHT ROAD FRONTAGE, AND I JUST WANT TO COME BACK TO THAT. I THINK THE SENSES OF BREAKING DOWN THE SCALE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, NOT EVERYONE WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, BUT THERE WAS A, A A A SUPPORT GENERALLY FOR MAYBE THERE'S DUPLEXES OR MAYBE YOU TURN TO BUILDINGS OR YOU GET SOME SMALLER SCALE. AND I ALSO HEARD INCREASING THE SETBACK ALONG BRIGHT AND REALLY THINKING ABOUT THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE UNITS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE UNITS [01:40:01] AND THAT, UM, YOU NEED ENOUGH SPACE TO GET, UM, A MULTI-USE PATH, WHICH IS 11 FEET, RIGHT? THAT TAKES UP A LOT OF SPACE AND YOU, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA MOUND TO THE STREET. SO YOU NEED TO THEN HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE TO DO SOME MOUNDING WITH LANDSCAPE ON IT. AND THEN THOSE UNITS ARE GONNA WANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A OUTDOOR SPACE THAT YOU CAN'T JUST GRADE RIGHT DOWN TO. SO I THINK THE 55 FEET YOU HAVE FROM, UH, RIGHT AWAY TO THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW IS PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE IN INCREASED AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF A LARGER SETBACK. AGAIN, THE PLAN SAYS 60 TO A HUNDRED FEET, CORRECT, SARAH? SO I THINK THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL ROOM TO TO PLAY IN. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THE SETBACK? JUST TO BE FAIR, THE YEP. THE APPLICANT. SO GENERALLY ARE THOUGH, IF, IF THE SETBACK REQUIRES THE BUILDINGS TO BE CLOSER TOGETHER, ARE WE MORE IN FAVOR OF THAT VERSUS THE SETBACK? BECAUSE I'M LIKE THESE AGAIN, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, I GET NERVOUS THAT YOU START GETTING THE SETBACK, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THESE BUILDINGS MUCH TIGHTER AND YOU DON'T CREATE THAT, IT FEELS LESS RESIDENTIAL ACTUALLY, IN MY OPINION. 'CAUSE YOU'RE ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT THESE BUILDINGS ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER, MAYBE THERE'S LESS BUILDINGS. WELL, I'M JUST, I GUESS I'M SAYING THAT MY PERSPECTIVE IS HAVING THE RIGHT SETBACK, THE RIGHT LANDSCAPE, THE RIGHT ENOUGH ENVIRONMENT, BRIGHT ROAD IS OUR GOAL. WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND IT, IT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED AND THAT COULD BE RESOLVED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. SO ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT? NO, I JUST GO AHEAD, OPEN TO IT. I'M OPEN TO IT BEING ADDRESSED AND I'M JUST INTERESTED TO SEE HOW IT COMES BACK. SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER DID, DID I MISS? OH, AND, AND JUST TO NOTE THAT IT'S BEEN AN INCREASE SINCE THE LAST TIME A VILLAS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. AND SO JUST TO TAKE NOTE OF THAT, THAT AT ONE POINT IT WAS ONE, MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE LESS. OKAY, SO COMMISSION, DID I MISS ANYTHING IN MY SUMMARY? MR. DORSEY, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE LEAVING HERE TODAY? YOU CAN COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE IF YOU WANT. YEAH, NO, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK. UM, THE BRIGHT ROAD, UH, CONCERNS ARE DEFINITELY HEARD AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS SETBACKS AND THE WAY THE BUILDINGS FRONT THE ROAD. UM, SO WE'LL COME BACK WITH SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE ON THAT. UM, IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, YEAH, SO YOU KNOW, THIS, WE CALL IT INDEPENDENT LIVING, BUT THE AVERAGE AGE IS STILL MID EIGHTIES. UM, SO NOT TO SAY NONE OF THOSE RESIDENTS ARE DRIVING, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM AREN'T. UM, AND THEN THE MEMORY CARE, NONE AND YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE ASSISTED LIVING. UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE PROVIDE FULL TRANSPORTATION, UM, IF THE RESIDENT CHOOSES THAT. SO, UM, YEAH, VERY LOW INTENSE USE. WE HAVE THREE SHIFT CHANGES, SO, BUT IT'S NOT A LOT OF, OF IN AND OUT TRAFFIC COMPARABLY TO OTHER PROPERTIES. SO YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR DETAIL. THANK YOU MR. SEY. WE'LL SEE YOU AT THE NEXT ROUND. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON NOW TO OUR NEXT CASE COMMISSION. DO WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK OR ANYTHING? ARE WE, WHAT'S THAT? I SAID I CAN MAKE ONE MORE. OKAY. AND AS YOUR, AS THE, UH, AUDIENCE IS LEAVING, IF YOU COULD MOVE OUT INTO THE HALLWAY AND AWAY FROM THE DOORS, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. OKAY. WE NOW HAVE [Case #26-046CP] CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 0 4 6 CP EMERALD PARKWAY, MIXED USE REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. THE 16 ACRE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED PCD THOMAS KOHLER AND IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND WARNER TEMPLE ROAD. I'M NOW GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT, MS. BROWN. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU COULD TURN ON THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. THANK YOU. UM, ANNA BROWN, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT WITH BAND TRUST. WE'RE AT 9 5 5 YARD STREET. I'VE ASKED AL CAMPI, ALEX CAMPI FROM BOT DESIGN TO JOIN ME AS WELL. UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU. UM, WE'RE SEEKING FEEDBACK ON A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED ON AL PARKWAY IN WARNER TEMPLE ROAD. THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT WE'VE COME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A CONCEPT PLAN, THE MOST RECENT BEING IN APRIL. UM, SINCE APRIL WE'VE TAKEN THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK INTO CONSIDERATION AND REVISED THE SITE PLAN AND ALSO REVISED THE ARCHITECTURE AND OVERALL DESIGN OF THE PROJECT. UM, I'VE ASKED ALEX HERE TO WALK THROUGH THE SITE PLAN AND THEN AFTER SHE DOES, SO I'LL HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE MAJOR CHANGES AND WALK THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURE UPDATES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. HI EVERYBODY. UM, I'M ALEX CAMPI. UH, AS ANNA MENTIONED, I'M WITH POD DESIGN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE ON THE TEAM. UM, I THOUGHT IT WOULD JUST BE HELPFUL TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE SITE PLAN ORGANIZATION, WHERE WE'RE AT, HOW WE GOT THERE, AND JUST SOME OF THE OVERALL VISION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING TO THE SITE PLAN, WE'LL STICK ON THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE. UM, WE'LL [01:45:01] START KIND OF INTERNALLY AND WORK OUR WAY AND HOW THIS KIND OF FITS, UH, TO THE EXTERNAL, UM, CHARACTER AND CONTEXT AS WELL. SO I'M GONNA START PAGE NORTH, WHICH IS LEFT AND WORK OUR WAY SOUTH TO PAGE RIGHT. UM, YOU'LL SEE IT, UH, KIND OF A GHOSTED IN GRAY, UM, BOX AND SOME PARKING IN THERE. WE'RE LOOKING AT A CAPACITY STUDY FOR OFFICE ON THAT NORTHERN AREA RIGHT NOW. WE'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT THE NORTHERN, NORTHERN POINT OF THE PROPERTY OVER, UM, THE PAST COUPLE YEARS, SO, OR THE PAST YEAR. UM, SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT AND JUST KIND OF GETTING AN IDEA OF WHAT WOULD FIT. UM, WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE PRIORITIZING THOSE, UH, THE PRESERVATION OF THOSE EXISTING TREES THROUGH THAT SPACE. SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT ACTUALLY BECOMING MORE OF THE, THE PARK SPACE, WHICH WAS PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS IN OUR ORIGINAL PLAN. UM, WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THE DETAILS, LOOKING AT SOME PATHWAYS BELOW, YOU KNOW, CLEARING OUT UNDERSTORY, UM, UTILIZING SOME OF THAT EXISTING GRADING THAT'S IN THERE. SO WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRIDGE SOME OF THE LOW POINTS, HAVE LITTLE OVERLOOKS, UM, AND THAT, THAT SORT OF CHARACTER THROUGH THE PARK AREA ON THE NORTH. IT ALSO HELPS PROVIDE A REALLY NICE KIND OF AMENITY AND TRANSITION ZONE FROM THE OFFICE TO OUR RESIDENTIAL SPACE. UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BOTH A PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, UH, PARK SPACE THROUGH THE, THE TREE AREA. UM, GETTING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL, SO RESIDENTIAL, WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE EXPLORING WHAT THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE'S GONNA FEEL LIKE, AS WELL AS BEING SENSITIVE TO THE CONTEXT AND, AND THE FUTURE PLANS FOR THE SITE. UM, ONE OF THE STRATEGIES WE WERE USING WAS REALLY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE WORKING WITH KIND OF A, A LONG LINEAR SITE, WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE CREATING ALMOST A NEIGHBORHOOD BLOCK TYPE OF FEELING WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. SO, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAW IN THE, IN THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL, WE'RE TURNING SOME OF THOSE TOWN HOMES. UM, REALLY DIVERSIFYING SOME OF THOSE FRONTAGES. SO WE HAVE TOWN HOMES, FRONTING IMMATURE TREES. WE HAVE TOWN HOMES, KIND OF FRONTING SOME OF THE INTERNAL STREETS SCAPE CHARACTER IN THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN WE HAVE THE TWO TOWN HOMES FRONTING THE EMERALD PARKWAY STREET SCAPE, AND WE'LL GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THE POTENTIAL, UH, FUTURE SIGNATURE TRAIL AS WELL. SO QUITE A, QUITE A NICE MIX OF VARIATION OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE FRONTAGE OF THE TOWN HOMES. UM, THAT KIND OF BLOCKING THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH ALSO HELPED US REALLY BETTER, UH, DELINEATE AND, UM, DELEGATE THE PARKING BREAKUP. YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOME OF THE MAIN FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD. UM, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THIS ISN'T, DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A BIG SURFACE PARKING LOT. SO REALLY GETTING SOME OF THAT GREEN AND, UH, GETTING VERY STRATEGIC ABOUT HOW OUR PARKING IS DELEGATED ACROSS THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS. UM, HOPPING KIND OF OVER OUR CENTRAL SPINE, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE FOUR STORY AGAIN. THOSE ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY. UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN AND VISION PLAN IS. UH, WITH THE STEPPING UP KIND OF THE, THE CHARACTER OF OUR SINGLE STORY OFFICE ACROSS EMERALD PARKWAY AND KIND OF MAKING OUR WAY UP TO THE FIVE STORY, UM, THAT'S EXISTING ACROSS PARKWOOD. SO THAT'S THAT, THAT FOUR STORY STEP THERE. UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH A LARGER EASEMENT, SO, UM, THOSE ARE SET BACK QUITE A BIT ALREADY, BUT THAT DOES PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE, JUST KIND OF OVERFLOW FOR RESIDENTS TO COME OUT WITH A BALL OR LET THEIR PETS OUT. UM, WE ALSO HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY THERE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ENHANCING THE PARKWOOD CHARACTER. I KNOW, UH, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF PLAN FOR THE AREA, SO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PROPERLY ACTIVATING AND, UM, ADDRESSING THAT FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE SITE AS WELL. UH, WE HAVE INTRODUCED SOME, UM, STREET PARALLEL PARKING AND THEN SOME, UH, STREETSCAPE LANDSCAPE ENHANCEMENTS, WHETHER THAT'S THE MOUNDING OR JUST GENERAL LANDSCAPE ENHANCEMENTS ALONG THAT, THAT FRONTAGE. UM, AND THEN AS WE MOVE SOUTH, UH, WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO, UH, MORE OF THE, THE SOUTHERN PARK SPACE. UM, WE, OVER TIME IN STUDYING THE SITE AS MUCH AS WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THE NATURAL DRAINAGE PATTERNS. UM, SO THE SITE NATURALLY IS DRAINING TO THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER, YOUR PAGE TOP RIGHT. UM, SO UTILIZING, CAPTURING SOME OF THAT IN THAT AREA AND REALLY TURNING THAT INTO A RETENTION FEATURE. UM, AND A, A STORM WATER FEATURE FOR, AGAIN, BOTH THE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC COMPONENT. SO MANY SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS TO COME OUT, UH, WALK THE LOOPS, UM, OR ALSO A SPACE IF YOU'RE GRABBING COFFEE OR LUNCH OR WORKING IN ONE OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, A SPACIOUS TO COME OUT TO THE PARK. UM, SO I THINK WITH THE TWO PARK SPACES, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BALANCE THE BLEND OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND BE REALLY INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW THOSE SPACES, UM, UH, ARE ABLE TO UTILIZE MULTIPLE AMENITIES. UM, AND THEN ON OUR COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THINGS, YOU'LL SEE, UH, WE'LL GO TO THE SOUTH, UH, EAST CORNER AGAIN, OUR DRIVE THROUGH PAD, UM, THAT IS SITUATED WITH THE ALLOCATED PARKING, A LITTLE BIT MORE PARKING IN CASE SOMEONE'S COMING IN FOR MORE OF THE PARK USE. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE IN THAT CORNER WITH TO PROPERLY SCREEN, UH, THE DRIVE THROUGH COMPONENT. AGAIN, UTILIZE SOME OF THAT GREEN SPACE WITHIN THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR SOME OF OUR STORM [01:50:01] WATER AS WELL. UM, THE, SOMETHING TO NOTE ON THE WARNER TEMPLE IN PARKWOOD CORNER, THERE'S EXISTING MATURE LANDSCAPE THERE. UM, THE INTRODUCTION OF THE SIGNATURE TRAIL THAT MIGHT, THAT HAS POTENTIAL TO CHANGE IT, BUT WE STILL END UP WITH QUITE A BIT OF SPACE THERE TO PROPERLY BUFFER THAT, THAT DRIVE THROUGH COMPONENT. UM, ON THE SOUTH OR ON THE EAST WEST SIDE. OF THE, I'M TRYING TO ORIENT MYSELF OF THE DRIVE THROUGH. UM, WE'RE SHOWING JUST KIND OF A LITTLE PATIO AMENITY SPACE AS WELL FOR, UM, OVERLOOKING ANOTHER POTENTIAL STORMWATER FEATURE GREEN SPACE. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE WERE LOOKING AT IS THE GATEWAY COMPONENT. UM, I THINK WE, WE WERE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE WERE DOING ON THAT, UH, PARKWOOD AND WARNER TEMPLE CORNER FROM OUR PREVIOUS SUBMITTALS. BUT, UM, JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE KIND OF PROVIDING THE INTRODUCTION INTO NOT JUST THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE EMERALD CORRIDOR AND SCALING THIS PROPERLY. SO WE'LL HAVE SOME RENDERINGS HERE IN A SECOND, BUT REALLY TAKING CONTEXT CLUES FROM THE ADJACENT INTERSECTIONS, KIND OF SCALING THAT UP SO IT FEELS LIKE IT'S STILL SITUATED APPROPRIATELY WITH THE CONTEXT, BUT, BUT REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THE SCALE OF, UM, OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND THEN IF WE FLIP TO THE NEXT PAGE, UM, JUST SOME HIGH LEVEL CIRCULATION. AGAIN, WE'VE HEARD FEEDBACK OVER TIME AND ONE OF OUR MAIN PRIORITIES HAS BEEN PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION, NOT JUST INTERNALLY AND KIND OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE SITE PLAN, BUT ALSO, UM, ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF THE SITE PLAN AND THROUGH, ESPECIALLY AGAIN WITH THE, THE, UM, FUTURE WITH THE ENVISION PLAN. SO YOU CAN SEE PAGE LEFT TO RIGHT, WE'RE KIND OF, UM, SHOWING THE STREET SCAPE CHARACTER WITH SOME SEATING. THERE'S LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UM, WHICH YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL OF IN A SECTION HERE IN A BIT. BUT JUST REALLY ENHANCEMENTS AND A LOT OF, UH, CHARACTER TO WHAT THAT INTERNAL STREET SCAPE WILL FEEL LIKE. UM, AND I WANNA GO BACK ONE, ONE MORE PIECE, IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE PEDESTRIAN COMPONENT IS OUR EAST WEST CONNECTIONS. UM, WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF FEEDBACK WHEN WE, WE'D USED TO HAVE THE DRIVE CONNECTING EMERALD AND PARKWOOD. UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE SUPPORT FOR REMOVING THE DRIVE COMPONENT WAS THERE FROM THE COMMISSION, BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION WAS THERE. SO, AND THAT AREA KIND OF CIRCULATING THROUGH THE TOWN HOMES AND PAST THE CLUBHOUSE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD TIE INTO A FUTURE POTENTIAL GREEN SPACE OR COMMUNITY SPACE. SO, UM, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING IN THE FORM OF PAVING ENHANCEMENTS OR WIDENING A PAVING, UH, BENCH SEATING ENHANCED LANDSCAPE AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO AGAIN, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FROM WHETHER IT'S COMING FROM THE SIGNATURE TRAIL OR, UH, IF YOU'RE WALKING OVER TO THE OFFICE BUILDING. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THEN I'LL WALK THROUGH THE RENDERINGS REALLY QUICKLY. SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF EXPLORING THE MASSING AND HOW THINGS ARE STARTING TO RELATE TO THE EXISTING CONTEXT. UM, MASSING HAS BEEN A BIG PART OF THIS SITE. UH, I KNOW IT'S CALLED OUT IN THE STEPPING CHARACTER ACROSS FROM EMBOLD OVER TO TWO 70 ESSENTIALLY. UM, SO YOU CAN KIND OF START TO PICK UP ON OUR EXISTING OFFICE, OUR SINGLE STORY AND TWO STORY OFFICE THAT'S ACROSS OUR SITE ON EMERALD, UM, AND HOW WE'RE KIND OF STEPPING UP TO OUR THREE STORY TOWN HOMES UP TO OUR FOUR STORY, UH, MULTIFAMILY. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT GRADATION. UM, ANOTHER PIECE WE WERE REALLY CONSIDERING THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS THE GRADATION OF OUR COMMERCIAL DOWN INTO THE EMERALD CORRIDOR AND KIND OF THAT RETURN. SO MAYBE THERE'S THE ENHANCEMENT AND THE ACTIVATION OF, UH, THE WARNER TEMPLE AND EMERALD PARKWAY, UH, GATEWAY IN THAT CHARACTER. AND THEN AS WE MOVE SOUTH OR MOVE, UM, NORTH DOWN THROUGH THE TOWN HOMES, YOU'LL START TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE EMERALD CHARACTER. AND THEN, UM, OBVIOUSLY UP AT THE OFFICE, UH, COMPONENT OF THE THE SITE, IT'S RETURNING A BIT MORE TO WHAT IS EXPECTED IN THE AREA. UH, THE NEXT RENDERING, I THINK WE'RE ZOOMING, YEAH, ZOOMING DOWN TO OUR GATEWAY COMPONENT AGAIN, JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE INTRODUCTION OF SOME OF THE CHARACTER WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. UM, SOME OF THE LANDSCAPE ENHANCEMENTS AND AGAIN, THE, UH, WE'RE STARTING TO TIE THE SIGNATURE TRAIL COMPONENT INTO EVERYTHING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY, EVERYTHING OPERATES IN THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO IN TERMS OF THE SETBACKS AND THE FRONTAGES AND WE HAVE APPROPRIATE SPACE. UM, BUT REALLY JUST BRINGING A LOT OF ACTIVATION FROM BOTH THE TRAIL AND THE, THE PATIO COMPONENT AND THE, UM, OUTDOOR AMENITY FOR THAT BUILDING TO THIS CORNER. AND THEN THE NEXT RENDERING IS GONNA TAKE US A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN AND KIND OF START TO SHOW THE TOWN HOME CHARACTER AND HOW THAT'S INTERACTING WITH, UM, EMERALD PARKWAY AND THE EX EXISTING STREET SCAPE. UM, BUT AGAIN, ALSO JUST KIND OF HINTING AT SOME OF THAT INTERACTION WITH THE SIGNATURE TRAIL AGAIN. UM, ON THIS ONE TOO, WE HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER STANDPOINT. WE WANNA BE SENSITIVE THAT THE TURNING OF THOSE TOWN HOMES WERE NOT, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A DRIVEWAY END IN THE END OF A BUILDING. SO INTRODUCING PORCHES, UM, AND A LITTLE BIT MORE CHARACTER ON THOSE ENDS OF THE TOWN HOMES THAT DO FACE EMERALD. AND THEN THE NEXT RENDERING, I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING FROM, WE'RE LOOKING NORTH TO SOUTH AGAIN, MORE SO JUST CONTEXTUALLY TO KIND OF SHOW HOW EVERYTHING'S STARTING [01:55:01] TO MESH IN WITH THE ADJACENT CHARACTER. UM, YOU'LL SEE IN THIS RENDERING WE DON'T HAVE THE OFFICE IN THERE, WE'RE JUST, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE EXPLORING WHAT THAT IS. IF THE OFFICE IS NOT THERE DAY ONE, UH, THE NEXT RENDERING WILL SHOW THE OFFICE AND HOW THAT KIND OF NESTLES IN WITH THE, UM, THE SITE AS A WHOLE AND SOME OF THE EXISTING, UM, TREES. SO PASS IT BACK TO ANNA. THANK YOU. UM, SO WE HAVE FOUR MAJOR CHANGES. I CLASSIFY FOUR MAJOR CHANGES IN THE SITE PLAN HERE. THE FIRST BEING THE INTRODUCTION OF OFFICE ON THIS NORTHERN SIDE THAT ALEX HAS TALKED ABOUT. UM, TO REMIND COMMISSION THERE IS THE ABILITY TO PUT OFFICE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION, BUT WE HEARD YOUR FEEDBACK THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT ELSEWHERE ON THE SITE AS WELL. THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN SUGGESTS THAT IT MIGHT GO HERE. UM, SO WE'VE PROVIDED TWO AL ALTERNATE VIEWS. I WOULD SAY IN THE INSTANCE THAT IT'S NOT DEVELOPED DAY ONE, WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT IT'S NOT A RAW, UNTOUCHED GROUND THAT WILL BE DEALT WITH LATER. WE ARE CONTEMPLATING IT NOW. UM, WE'VE TALKED AT GREAT LENGTH ABOUT OFFICE MARKET CONDITIONS AND CONCERNS. UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT BOTH WAYS. THE INTENT IS THAT THERE'LL BE OFFICE THERE, BUT I JUST, MY CONCERN IS TO PUT UP AN EMPTY BUILDING AND FILL IT. AND HOW DOES THAT ADD TO THE PROJECT OVERALL? SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE PLANNING FOR IT, UM, IN BOTH STAGES OF THE LIFE. I WOULD SAY. UM, TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE OFFICE THERE, WE DID REMOVE TWO TOWN HOMES, UM, WHICH IS FURTHER REDUCING THE DENSITY BY 10 UNITS. SO WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 218 UNITS. UM, AS YOU MIGHT RECALL, OUR FIRST SUBMITTAL WAS CLOSE TO 250 UNITS. UM, SO WHERE I ARE, WE ARE WORKING OUR WAY SMALLER TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE, UM, ALL OF THE DESIRED COMPONENTS IN THE SITE PLAN. UM, SO WE'RE, I, I'M HAPPY WITH HOW IT FITS IN MAINTAINING THE TREE LINE THERE AND ADDING IN THE TRAIL THAT ALEX HAS SUGGESTED. ANOTHER CHANGE THAT WE'VE MADE IS WIDENING AND ENHANCING THIS PRIVATE BOULEVARD CONCEPT. UM, WE'VE WIDENED IT TO ALLOW FOR PARALLEL PARKING, UM, FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH. I THINK THAT ACCOMPLISHES A FEW THINGS. ONE BEING I THINK IT ADDS TO THE STREET SCAPE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER THAT I BELIEVE WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE. THE OTHER ELEMENT THAT IT ADDS IS ANOTHER WAY TO GET CLOSER TO OUR PARKING COUNTS. THAT'S NOT A LARGE SURFACE LOT, WHICH WE'VE HEARD THE FEEDBACK THAT THAT'S NOT DESIRED HERE. AND, AND WE AGREE. UM, THE NEXT KIND OF LARGE GROUPING I WOULD SAY IS THIS ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION CORRIDORS, UM, AND GREEN SPACE. ALEX DID A GOOD JOB OF TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, SO I'LL FOCUS ON THE AMENITY AREA. UM, ALEX TOUCHED ON THAT IN A PREVIOUS, MAYBE ORIGINAL UM, VERSION. WE HAD EAST WEST CONNECTOR ROADS HERE. AND THE CONCERN WAS THAT ARE THOSE GONNA END UP BEING USED AS CUT THROUGHS? HOW DOES THAT ACTUALLY ADD TO THE CHARACTER? BUT THERE'S STILL A DESIRE TO MOVE PEOPLE FROM THE OFFICE BUILDINGS ON THE WEST INTO THE FUTURE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST. SO WE HAVE INCREASED THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS AT THE CENTER OF THE SITE TO ALLOW FOR THAT. WE'VE REMOVED THE PICKLEBALL AMENITY, UM, KIND OF CENTRALIZED THE POOL WHILE IT'S STILL SCREENED. WELL, I THINK IT INTERACTS FROM A PUBLIC PRIVATE PERSPECTIVE QUITE WELL. THE INTENT IS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WIDENED ENHANCED PATHS. IT'S NOT A SINGLE NARROW SIDEWALK. UM, I ACTUALLY THINK YOU END UP WITH A QUITE NICE SYMMETRIC DESIGN HERE TOO. UM, WHICH I, I, I THINK IS VISUALLY, UM, PLEASING. AND THEN IN ALTERING THE AMENITIES THERE, WE ADDED A COUPLE MORE. SO WE HAVE A LARGER DOG PARK, UM, ON THE NORTH. AND THEN WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED A SMALLER ONE AT THE CORE OF THE SITE, THINKING ABOUT HOW DOES THIS GET USED IN PRACTICE BY THE RESIDENTS? IS EVERYONE GONNA WALK ALL THE WAY UP THERE TO LET THEIR DOG RUN AROUND? PROBABLY NOT. UM, SO TRYING TO THINK AHEAD WITH THAT. AND THEN THE LAST CATEGORY OF CHANGE, I WOULD SAY, IS A REDUCTION IN REORIENTATION OF THE RETAIL PORTION OF THE SITE. SO IN OUR LAST MEETING IN APRIL, WE HAD THREE INDEPENDENT RETAIL BUILDINGS. WE'VE ELIMINATED 1 3500 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL PAD SITE, AND WE'VE ALSO REDUCED THE INLINE BUILDING BY I THINK 3000 SQUARE FEET HERE. UM, THIS IS TO ONE, REDUCE THE OVERALL PARKING REQUIREMENT AND WHAT WE NEED TO PARK FOR THE SITE TO BE SUCCESSFUL. THAT ALLOWS US TO INTRODUCE MORE GREEN SPACE, ALLOWS US TO INTRODUCE THIS. I BELIEVE IT'S A FULL ACRE WALKING TRAIL TO RETENTION FEATURE. UM, AND IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO PUT BACK, IF YOU CAN SEE THE CURB CUT THAT [02:00:01] ALIGNS WITH THE HALF MOON. UM, ON THE PARKWOOD SIDE. I KNOW THAT STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED THEY STILL WOULD LIKE A, AN AUTO CONNECTION POINT EAST WEST, AND IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR IT. UM, BEFORE WE JUMP TO ARCHITECTURE, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AN ADDITIONAL STUDY THAT WE'VE DONE, ZACH, IF YOU DON'T MIND CLIPPING IT FOR ME. SO I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT MASSING ON EMERALD AND HOW DOES THIS DEVELOPMENT TRANSITION FROM THE CAMDEN PROFESSIONAL CENTER ON THE WEST, AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN OF A ONE STORY OFFICE TO A THREE STORY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING? SO OUR NEIGHBORS ON THE WEST, I BELIEVE, ARE AT, UM, 25 TO 28 FEET TALL AT THEIR PEAK. OUR TOWN HOMES ARE 32 TO 36 FEET TALL AT OUR PEAK, SO UNDER A 10 FOOT DIFFERENCE THERE. AND THEN THE FRONTAGES OF, OF BOTH BUILDINGS ARE 240 FEET APART. UM, WE HAVE AN AVERAGE SETBACK HERE OF 50 TO 55 FEET, UM, FROM THE CURB. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK THAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED. UM, MY TAKE FROM PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH COMMISSION IS THAT THE PREFERENCE WAS TO SIDE WITH THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN THAT I BELIEVE CALLED FOR A 30 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE STILL WELL AHEAD OF WHAT THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN IS CALLING FOR. UM, WE WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE HAVE ROOM TO PUT THE SIGNATURE TRAIL. I KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL DISCUSSION ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO WE HAVE THE ROOM FOR THE SIGNATURE TRAIL AS WELL AS ROOM FOR MOUNTING IN THE TOWN HOME WALKUPS OR WALKWAYS I WOULD CALL THEM. UM, ONE THING WE WOULD LIKE FEEDBACK ON IS, IS THERE A DESIRE FOR MOUNTING SCREENING THE SIGNATURE TRAIL? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE A VARIETY OF IT? IS THE SIGNATURE TRAIL MEANT TO BE OPEN TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IT'S NEIGHBORING? UM, I THINK HAVE, AS WE HAVE IT DESIGNED RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF MOUNTING VERSUS NOT TO KIND OF BREAK UP THE CHARACTER. UM, SO FEEDBACK ON THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. UM, NOW MOVING TO THE ARCHITECTURE, ZACH, IF YOU DON'T MIND FLIPPING. SO THE 3D RENDERINGS, I THINK DO A GOOD JOB OF PORTRAYING THE LOOK AND FEEL WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, UM, IN THE DEVELOPMENT. THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED IN APRIL WAS BRING A MORE DISTINCTIVE AND UNIQUE DESIGN THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE IN CENTRAL OHIO IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. AND I THINK WE'VE ACHIEVED THAT HERE. UM, ALTHOUGH WE'RE USING SIMILAR MATERIALS AND COLOR PALETTES ACROSS THE DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE A NICE VARIETY. I THINK WE HAVE A VARIETY OF MATERIALS, ROOF HEIGHTS, ROOF PITCHES, AND THEN SOME UNIQUE CHARACTERS KIND OF SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT EACH OF THE PRODUCT TYPES TO DO THAT. UM, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE THINGS. SO ALEX TOUCHED ON THIS, BUT I KNOW IT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION POINT THAT THE TOWN HOMES REALLY NEED TO BE DESIGNED FROM ALL FOUR SIDES THE WAY THAT WE'RE ORIENTING THEM WITHIN THE PROJECT. UM, WE AGREED WITH THAT COMMENT AND SO THAT'S WHY WE TOOK US, UH, STAND THAT ONE FOR ME. IF YOU DON'T MIND. UM, A SECOND LOOK AT WHAT DO THE SIDES REALLY LOOK LIKE? IT WAS SUGGESTED IS THERE A PORCH AS AN ADDITIONAL CHARACTER FEATURE? UM, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA, SO WE DID IMPLEMENT IT HERE. I THINK IT'S OBVIOUSLY AN AMENITY TO THE RESIDENT, UM, VISUALLY APPEALING, BUT I ALSO THINK IT HELPS IN THAT VARIETY ON EMERALD THAT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT A WALL OF TOWN HOMES THERE. UM, AND THEN JUMPING TO THE CLUBHOUSE IN THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THE, WE FULLY REDESIGNED THE CLUBHOUSE TO BE A BIT MORE OF A FEATURE AND HAVE A STRONGER IMPACT ON THE SITE BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE MOST PUBLIC PRIVATE BUILDINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IN HOW WE'RE SETTING UP THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS. SO IT'S MEANT TO HAVE AN IMPACT AND BE INVITING. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SO MANY WINDOWS ON THIS FRONT SIDE HERE. AND THEN ON THE NEXT SIDE, WE'RE SHOWING, UM, THE BACKSIDE OF THE CLUBHOUSE THAT WILL OPEN UP TO THE POOL. THE INTENT IS THESE ARE GARAGE DOORS THAT CAN OPEN. SO WHILE WE HAVE APPROPRIATE SCREENING FOR A POOL AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S STILL INVITING TO PEOPLE WALKING AROUND. YOU DON'T FEEL AS THOUGH YOU'RE PEERING INTO SOMETHING YOU SHOULDN'T OR IT'S THIS KIND OF FENCED UP WALL. SO THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THIS REDESIGN. UM, WE'VE INCLUDED ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS TO THE EXTENT THAT COMMISSION HAS QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THEM, UM, WE DON'T NEED TO FLIP THROUGH 'EM ALL RIGHT. NOW. I APOLOGIZE. THE RETAIL RENDERING DIDN'T MAKE IT IN THIS, BUT I THINK THE ZOOMED IN 3D THAT ALEX SHOWED REPRESENTS AS WELL. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK THROUGH IT ON THAT POINT. UM, WITH THAT I'LL CLOSE BY SAYING [02:05:02] I BELIEVE THIS PLAN MEETS THE GOALS OF THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN AND ADDRESSES THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN. UM, VAN TRUSTS IS VERY EAGER TO PROGRESS TO PROJECT FORWARD. WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE TO THE NEXT PHASE OF ZONING AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR CONFIRMATION FROM STAFF AND COMMISSION THAT YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. HOUNSHELL. WILL YOU TAKE US THROUGH THE STAFF PRESENTATION? HAPPILY. WELL, THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING. SO I'LL FOCUS PRIMARILY ON THE PROCESS AND THE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE HISTORY AND THEN THE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO THE COMMISSION TONIGHT. BUT, UM, I SAY THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD AS A CONCEPT PLAN. SO, UH, THE NEXT STEP COULD BE FOR THE APPLICANT TO PROCEED TO A REZONING APPLICATION FOR A PLAN UNIT TO DEVELOP A DISTRICT. UM, SO REALLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR, IT IS NON-BINDING FEEDBACK, BUT REALLY CRITICAL FEEDBACK FOR THE APPLICANT TO TAKE, UH, SO THAT THEY HAVE SOME ASSURANCES ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT OR PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT AND WHAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF. UH, THE SITE'S ABOUT 16 ACRES IN SIZE, UM, CURRENTLY ZONE IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT CALLED THOMAS KOHLER. UM, AND IN PROXIMITY TO THE SITE IS ONE TO TWO STORY, UH, RESIDENTIAL SCALED OR NEIGHBORHOOD SCALED, UH, OFFICES TO THE WEST. UH, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR SUBURBAN OFFICES, YOUR CORPORATE OFFICES TO THE EAST ALONG TWO 70. AND THEN THERE IS, UM, SOME COMMERCIAL CENTER ACTIVITY HAPPENING TO THE SOUTH. THERE WE GO. UM, SOME OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, AGAIN, IT, THERE'S NOTHING, UH, BUILT THERE TODAY. UH, IT IS RELATIVELY FLAT WITH SOME VEGETATION IN THE DITCH GOING THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE SITE. SO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CALLS FOR MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THIS SITE AND THAT SHARES THE SAME DESIGNATION AS THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE TO THE EAST. YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT DARKER BLUE, WHICH IS YOUR SUBURBAN OFFICE, WHICH IS INTENDED FOR THAT MORE CORPORATE OFFICE HAVING A PRESENCE ALONG THE HIGHWAY. AND THEN THE LIGHT BLUE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, WHICH IS THAT SMALLER SCALE, UH, ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE. AND, AND YOU SEE ALONG, UH, THE WEST SIDE OF EMERALD PARKWAY AS YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN, UM, SPECIFICALLY NORTH, UH, FROM THIS SITE. SO WHAT THIS IS LOOKING FOR IS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES LOCATED NEAR EXISTING AND FUTURE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE WALKABLE, AUTO ACCESSIBLE AND SCALED TO NEIGHBORHOODS. TO TAKE THIS A STEP FURTHER IN MORE DETAIL, UH, THIS SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE EMERALD CORRIDOR SPECIAL AREA PLAN, AND IT'S LOCATED IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THAT PLAN. AND THERE'S A SPECIFIC, UH, PSYCH CAPACITY THAT IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. AGAIN, THIS IS TO SHOW WHAT COULD OCCUR, NOT WHAT WILL OCCUR. SO, UH, PLEASE USE IT AS A VISUAL AID ONLY. UM, BUT IT STARTS TO DEPICT A LOT OF THE, UH, COPY AND THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE PLAN. SO, UH, THIS AREA IS LOOKING FOR A MIX OF USES TO INCLUDE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, OR, SORRY, NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE, OFFICE RESIDENTIAL USES IN SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL, UH, SHARED PARKING TO THE REAR BETWEEN ALL THE, THE USES. AND THEN STARTING THAT TRANSITION OF ONE TO TWO STORIES ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY. MOVING OVER TO FOUR STORIES ALONG PARKWOOD PLACE. UH, THIS ALSO LOOKS TO PRESERVE ANY EXISTING TREE STANDS, MAINTAINING THE GREEN CHARACTER ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, CREATING A GATEWAY LOCATION AT EMERALD AND MOORE TEMPLE INTERSECTION AND THEN ACTIVATING PARKWOOD PLACE. SO YELLOW HIGHLIGHTS THE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. UM, YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE SHOWN TO THE, THE EAST OF THE SITE WITH THAT CENTRALLY PUBLIC OPEN SPACE. BUT NONE OF THAT IS PART OF THIS, THIS PROPOSAL TODAY, UM, PER THE, THE IMAGE THAT'S SHOWN THE BLUE ON THE SCREEN, THE LIGHT BLUE IS SHOWN AS NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY. THE PINK IS THE MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN THE RED OR ORANGE IS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS CATTYCORNER FROM THE EXISTING, UH, EMERALD TOWN CENTER TODAY. ADDITIONALLY, UH, RECENTLY ADOPTED, WELL RECENTLY IT WOULD BE DECEMBER, 2025 NOW. UH, BUT THE SIGNATURE TRAIL WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. UH, AND THIS SITE IS SHOWN IN ONE OF THE LOOPS, UH, ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY AND THAT STREET PROFILE OR THAT STREETSCAPE PROFILE IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. SO, UH, THIS PROPOSAL DOES ACCOMMODATE SPACE FOR THAT SIGNATURE TRAIL. UH, AND WE WOULD CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE ALKIN ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW IT'S INCORPORATED INTO THE SITE. SO LAST TIME, THIS WAS BEFORE THE COMMISSION WAS IN APRIL, UH, AND THAT SITE PLAN IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. UH, THE APPLICANT DID WALK THROUGH A LOT OF THE UPDATES, BUT, UH, GENERALLY THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION THAT'S LISTED ON YOUR SCREEN, UH, [02:10:01] I'D SAY THAT GENERALLY THE COMMISSION WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE DIRECTION OF THE PROJECT FROM WHERE IT WAS IN DECEMBER IN INDICATING THAT THE OVERALL SITE LAYOUT AND THEN THE TYPES OF USES THAT WERE INCLUDED, UH, WERE SUPPORTED. UH, COMMISSION RECOGNIZED THAT THE RATE THE LAYOUT WAS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE PRIOR CONCEPT. UM, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS THAT WERE SHARED, THOSE ARE THE, THE FOLLOWING POINTS. SO, UH, THERE WERE CONCERNS SHARED ABOUT THE LACK OR REMOVAL OF SOME OF THE OPEN SPACE. THAT WAS, UH, ORIGINALLY ON THE, THE PROPOSAL IN DECEMBER THAT WAS REMOVED IN, UH, APRIL. CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, REMAINING GREEN SPACES FUNCTIONING MORE AS BUILDING SETBACKS AND LANDSCAPED AREAS RATHER THAN MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES. UH, SOME COMMISSIONERS DID QUESTION WHETHER THIS PROPOSAL TRULY DID ACHIEVE THE INTENT OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. UH, SO THAT'S STILL GONNA BE A BIG PART OF THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT. THE VIEWS WERE GENERALLY MIXED ABOUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FRONTING ON EMERALD PARKWAY. UH, COMMISSIONERS ALSO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE APPEARANCE OF SURFACE SURFACE PARKING ON THE SITE AND SUGGESTED SHARED PARKING INSTEAD OF INDIVIDUAL SURFACE LOTS FOR EACH USE. UH, ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO ENCOURAGE STRONGER ARCHITECTURAL EX EXPRESSIONS. AND THEN ALSO INCOR INDICATED THE IMPORTANCE OF MAINTAINING CONNECTIONS TO POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST OF THE SITE. SO THE PRIMARY QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON TODAY ARE GONNA BE AROUND THE USE DISTRIBUTION. UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE USE, AND I WOULD SAY THE CENTRAL THIRD OF THE SITE IS RESIDENTIAL. THE SOUTHERN IS MOSTLY COMMERCIAL WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OFFICE THERE. AND THEN THE NORTHERN IS IS OFFICE. SO THE QUESTION IS BASED ON THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, WHETHER OR NOT THIS MEETS THAT, UH, MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION. THE NEXT IS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL BEING ALONG AMMO PARKWAY. AGAIN, THIS WAS A CONVERSATION LAST TIME AND I'D SAY THE, THE CONSENSUS WAS RATHER SPLIT. UH, SO LOOKING FOR MORE FEEDBACK ON WHETHER THAT'S GONNA BE SUPPORTED, UH, WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. UH, ANOTHER IS THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE. UM, DRIVE-THROUGHS IN THIS AREA. THERE CURRENTLY ARE NONE. UH, SO WE'D BE LOOKING TO SEE IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE WITH A DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A MIXED USE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION AND THEN THE ARCHITECTURE, UH, AND WHETHER THE CHANGES ARE APPROPRIATE AND MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE COMMISSION WAS LOOKING FOR, UH, WITH THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL. SO WITH THAT, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UH, AND THEN I HAVE ALL THE RENDERINGS, ALL THE ELEVATIONS. IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO BRING UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. AL. I AM GOING TO OPEN UP TO THE COMMISSION NOW FOR QUESTIONS. MS. NEWELL, DO YOU WANNA START? I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. WOW. PERFECT. MR. . , YOU JUST MADE IT EASY. THOUGHT I WAS GONNA HAVE MORE TIME. UM, I GUESS FIRST FOR THE CITY, HOW DOES THE DENSITY COMPARE TO THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN? YOU PUT UP THE 0.3 3D USED TO ONE, I KNOW THAT WAS THE, UH, ENVISION DUBLIN NOT SPECIAL AREA PLAN, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL? I MEAN, I'D SAY THE DENSITY IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT, UH, WITH WHAT WAS SHOWN BEFORE. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WAS SHOWN AS OFFICE VERSUS RESIDENTIAL. BUT I'D SAY GENERALLY BASED ON THE, THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE AND THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE SHOWN, IT GENERALLY ALIGNS. THANK YOU. UM, AND FOR THE APPLICANT, I GUESS SOME OF THE SENSITIVITY AROUND MIXED USE IS WHO, WE DEAL WITH THIS A LOT WHERE MIXED USE IS PRESCRIBED AND IT WINDS UP BEING VERY RESIDENTIAL. MM-HMM . HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO INTEGRATING, I MEAN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE BLEND OF MIXED USE. HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO INTEGRATING RETAIL INTO THE SAME BUILDING AS RESIDENTIAL IN ANY CASES? ARE YOU REFERRING TO MORE OF A VERTICAL INTEGRATION? YEP. UM, THERE HAS BEEN CONSIDERATION, I KNOW IT IS SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER SUBURBAN AREAS. WE FELT LIKE IT WAS POTENTIALLY NOT THE RIGHT FIT FOR THIS AREA. UM, THAT THE, THE RETAIL IN THIS AREA CURRENTLY IS, IS DESIGNED MORE SIMILARLY TO THIS, THIS SPECIAL AREA PLAN ALSO CALLS FOR A RETAIL CLUSTER, UM, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE KIND OF MORE OF A SEPARATION. UM, IT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST TIME THAT IT MAYBE WASN'T INTEGRATED AS WELL IN ADDITION TO THE RETENTION AND WALKING PATH BEING AN OPEN SPACE. WE ALSO FELT LIKE IT HELPED MAYBE BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE RETAIL, THAT IT WASN'T JUST SEPARATED BY A LARGE SURFACE LOT, THAT MAYBE THERE WAS A FEATURE THAT MARRIED THE TWO. THAT MAKES SENSE. AND IT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU, WE MENTIONED YOU REMOVED ONE OF THE RETAIL BUILDINGS. IS THAT A PRODUCT OF DEMAND? HAS THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE BEEN INTEGRATED INTO THE OTHER BUILDING OR WHAT? UM, THE REMOVAL OF THAT WAS PURELY TO ALLOW, ALLOW FOR THE OTHER ELEMENTS AND REDUCE PARKING REQUIRED, WHICH HELPS WITH BREAKING UP THE SURFACE PARKING REQUIRED. BUT THE, THE RETAIL IS STILL [02:15:01] SIZED APPROPRIATELY FOR THE MARKET. WHAT KIND OF RESTAURANT DO YOU ENVISION IN THAT DRIVE THROUGH? SO THE DRIVE THROUGH AS WE INTENDED TODAY. SO WE'D LIKE IT TO BE SET UP THAT IT COULD HAPPEN. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT HAS TO HAPPEN. IF A RESTAURANT CAME TO US AND DID NOT NEED A DRIVE THROUGH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO NOT PUT IT IN AND INCORPORATE SOME SORT OF PATIO OR OTHER USE. UM, I WOULD IMAGINE IT BEING, IF IT WAS A DRIVE THROUGH MORE OF A FAST CASUAL CONCEPT, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DESIRE FOR A FAST FOOD DRIVE THROUGH IN THE AREA AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT AND ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT POTENTIALLY COFFEE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND IF THE OFFICE DIDN'T MATERIALIZE IN THE NORTH SIDE, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS RETAIL BREAKDOWN IS EITHER BY, I MEAN I GUESS PROBABLY ROUGHLY SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE EASIEST. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? SO THE RETAIL SQUARE FOOTAGE, I THINK IN TOTAL WE'RE AT ABOUT 14,000 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE IT TOTALED THE OFFICE OR THE FOUR STORY RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO THE SMALLER BUILDING YOU SEE IS ABOUT 73,000. THE LARGER IS 113,000, WHICH IS THE SAME SIZE AS BEFORE. AND THEN EACH OF THE SIX TOWN HOMES IS ABOUT 19,000. AND THEN THE OFFICE SHOWN, I BELIEVE HAS BEEN DRAWN FOR 5,000 SINGLE STORY, BUT IT HAS ROOM TO EXPAND. UM, IF THERE'S A PREFERENCE ON SINGLE VERSUS DOUBLE STORY, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S SIZED FOR SINGLE STORY OF 5,000. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW. APPRECIATE IT. THANKS. GARY. IS THIS SITE, DO YOU ENVISION THIS BEING ACTUALLY BUILT OUT BY DIFFERENT PARTIES? OUR INTENTION IS THAT VAN TRUSTS WILL BUILD IT ALL AND OR DEVELOP IT ALL. OKAY. UM, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE CONSCIOUSLY DIVIDED THIS INTO THREE VERY DISTINCT AREAS. ARE YOU TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S THEMATICALLY DIFFERENT ACROSS THE SITE? UM, I, I THINK THAT THE SEPARATION OF USE USES HAPPENS A LITTLE NATURALLY IN HOW WE'RE TRYING TO DESIGN IT. UM, DOES IT HELP FROM AN OWNERSHIP PERSPECTIVE TO HAVE PARKING MORE ORGANIZED THROUGHOUT THE SITE? YES, IT DOES. I THINK PART OF THAT SEPARATION COMES FROM THE DESIRE FOR THE EAST WEST CONNECTION POINT THAT'S BREAKING OFF THE RETAIL HERE. UM, THE REASON FOR THE OFFICE BEING PULLED TO THE NORTH IS, LIKE ALEX SAID, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CREATE THESE NEIGHBORHOOD BLOCKS WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING IT TO BE ALL CLUSTERED TOGETHER. AND THEN I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN SHOWS OFFICE WRONG ALONG EMERALD, BUT IT ALSO SHOWS IT ON THE NORTHERN PORTION. SO THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND IT TO BE AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION. THE AND SO YOU YOU'LL BUILD ALL THE HOUSING UNITS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES YOURSELVES? THAT'S OUR INTENTION. UM, WE, VAN TRUST USUALLY DEVELOPS THEIR FULL OWNED PROJECT. UM, THAT'S OUR INTENTION RIGHT NOW. 'CAUSE THE ARCHITECTURE IS PRETTY DIFFERENT ACROSS ALL THESE BUILDINGS. I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO SHY AWAY FROM A, A MASS LOOKING PROJECT, UM, WHERE EVERYTHING LOOKS THE SAME AND IT'S KIND OF SUBURBAN REPLICATED. WE THOUGHT IT WAS A WAY TO ADD UNIQUE CHARACTER TO THE SITE THAT IT MAYBE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE A LARGE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. UM, IF YOUR QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE DIFFERENT PARTIES TELLING US WHAT THEY WANTED EACH TO LOOK LIKE? WE DID NOT. OKAY. WE'LL TALK AND MAYBE THAT, MAYBE IT'S, MAYBE THIS CAN I, CAN I HAVE A FOLLOW I FOLLOW UP THAT QUESTION. PLEASE DO DO, DO YOU, DO YOU THINK THAT THEY FIT, LIKE IS THERE, WHAT, WHAT, HOW DO THEY FIT TOGETHER IN YOUR, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE THAT WAS MY EXACT SAME QUESTION. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THREE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITES. OKAY. HOW, HOW DO, JUST, CAN YOU, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON MORE HOW YOU FEEL THAT THEY FIT TOGETHER ARCHITECTURALLY? SURE. SORRY. I FEEL LIKE THEY ALL HAVE A BLEND OF TRADITIONAL AND MODERN COMPONENTS. UM, I THINK THAT WE TRY TO ACHIEVE A BLEND IN THE MIX OF ROOF PEAKS THAT WE'VE USED IN ALL USES. I AGREE THAT THE COLORS DO FEEL A LITTLE FAR APART FROM THE FOUR STORY TO THE OTHERS. I THINK THAT THE RETAIL AND TOWN HOMES FIT NICELY TOGETHER FROM A COLOR PERSPECTIVE. UM, I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T HAVE THE RENDERING WE'RE WORKING ON FOR THE OFFICE, BUT THE OFFICE MIRRORS THE RETAIL QUITE, QUITE CLOSELY. UM, THE RETAIL HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE LAST PARTIALLY TO HELP PROVIDE A UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT IN IN WHERE OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO DO SO. UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S, WE HAVE KIND OF THIS FAUX SECOND STORY CONCEPT [02:20:01] ON THE CORNER HERE AND THAT IS MEANT TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THIS GATEWAY CORNER. AND MAYBE YOU GET A RESTAURANT FOOD AND BEVERAGE USE HERE THAT APPRECIATES THE HIGH CEILINGS IN IN, IT'S A UNIQUE AMENITY. OKAY. CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION, ? THAT'S OKAY. NO, GO FOR IT. ANYTIME. ANYTIME. UM, SO THE SPECIAL CORRIDOR PLAN PROPOSES MIXED USE BUILDINGS ALONG PARKWOOD AND USUALLY THE IMPLICATION IS THAT VERTICAL MIXED USE WITH SOME SORT OF ACTIVITY, COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AT THE GROUND LEVEL THAT ANIMATES THE STREET. SO IN NOT DOING THAT, WILL YOU DESIGN THOSE BUILDINGS WITH USES THAT COULD BE SHARED USES AMONG THE RESIDENTS, EXERCISE FACILITIES, UM, COFFEE SHOPS, THINGS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THE TOWN OR TO THE VERTICAL BUILDING, BUT COULD PROVIDE THAT SENSE OF MIXED USE ALONG THERE? THAT'S CERTAINLY OUR GOAL IS THAT THE RETAIL IS ADDED DESIRED AMENITIES FOR YOUR RESIDENTS THAT WILL BE LIVING THERE. A COFFEE SHOP TO WALK TO A EXERCISE PLACE TO GO DO A WORKOUT CLASS. WITHIN THE CLUBHOUSE ITSELF, THERE WILL BE, ALTHOUGH PRIVATE FOR THE RESIDENTS, THE CLUBHOUSE WILL BE DESIGNED AS FITNESS COWORKING, THINGS LIKE THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED. DO YOU PULL ADDITIONAL OF THAT USE WHILE PRIVATE TO THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE FOUR STORY TO HELP WITH THAT? WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT. UM, CANDIDLY, IT'S, IT'S A HARD BALANCE BECAUSE YOU LOSE DENSITY TO DO SO AND WE'VE ALREADY LOST A LITTLE BIT OF DENSITY HERE, BUT IF THAT'S DESIRED BY COMMISSION, WE'D BE HAPPY TO FURTHER EXPLORE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY INITIAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU KATHY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE IT. UM, ZACH, MAY I ASK THIS QUESTION ABOUT IS THERE A HISTORY, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE HAVEN'T SEEN OTHER RESIDENTIAL HOUSING ALONG THIS AREA IN EMERALD PARKWAY? IS IT JUST TIMING? IS IT THE YEARS AND I MEAN, WE'VE PRI OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE PRIMARILY LOOKED AT THE EMERALD CORRIDOR AS A OFFICE HEAVY, UH, CORRIDOR. SO THAT'S WHY, UM, OUTSIDE OF SELECT AREAS SUCH AS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN, WHICH IS CALLED FOR MIXED USE, EVERYTHING ELSE IS USUALLY NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE OR SUBURBAN OFFICE ALONG THE HIGHWAY WAY. AND THEN, UM, JUST THINKING ON THAT, THAT THOSE IDEAS AS WELL TOO, UM, WITH THE SIGNATURE TRAIL COMING THROUGH AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, WERE THERE THOUGHTS FROM THAT, UM, THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE IDEA OF MORE RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA SINCE IT'S ALIGNED IN THAT AREA? ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? UM, NO, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT YET. I, AT THIS POINT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. HOW THAT INTEGRATES WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK WE WOULD CONTINUE TO EXPLORE SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD. WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE SPEED TO CHANGE AT ALL ON THAT ROAD OR JUST WITH, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMING AS WELL? OUTSIDE OF MY EXPERTISE? UM, OKAY. SORRY. OKAY. MY, YEAH, I I'LL LEAVE THAT TO PROFESSIONALS TO, TO ANSWER THAT. ALRIGHT. AND THEN, UM, JUST A FEW QUESTIONS 'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM SOME OF THE RENDERING. SURE. SO IF I'M, IF IT'S LIKE PLAIN AS DAY TO YOU, HANG IN THERE WITH ME, UM, THE DOG PARK TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT IS OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY. YOU WERE JUST ALLUDING TO THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, THE DOG PARK IS INTENDED TO BE PRIVATE. PRIVATE. I THINK WHAT ALEX WAS MENTIONING AS THE PUBLIC FEATURE IS THE WALKING TRAILS AND THE TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE EXISTING TREE LINE THAT'S INTENDED TO BE OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY. BUT I COULD BE WALKING PAST THE DOG PARK. IS THAT CORRECT? IF I'M YOU COULD, BUT IT WOULD BE SECURE. RIGHT, EXACTLY. WELL, I FEEL LIKE, OH, I WISH I COULD GET IN THERE , BUT, UM, MEET PEOPLE, IT, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS THAT IT'S A GREAT WAY TO, FOR OUR COMMUNITY ALL TO GET TOGETHER AND SURE. AND I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK WHILE IT'S NOT ILLUSTRATED ON KINDA THESE CONCEPTUAL PLANS, THE TRAILS THEMSELVES, WE INTEND TO HAVE BENCHES AND OTHER GATHERING POINTS THERE. I THINK, UM, FROM A RESIDENT'S PERSPECTIVE, IT'S CHALLENGING TO CONVERT THE DOG PARK TO BE PUBLIC. OBVIOUSLY SAFETY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM, IT'S MEANT TO BE AN AMENITY FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THERE. MM-HMM . UM, WE HAVE IN THE POLARIS AREA A SIMILAR MIX OF IT. IT'S MORE HEAVY OFFICE, UM, BUT OFFICE OF RESIDENTIAL WITH PRIVATE DOG PARKS, BUT PUBLIC WALKING TRAILS CIRCULATING AROUND IT. AND WE FIND THAT IT WORKS QUITE WELL. UM, THEN [02:25:01] ALSO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE TOWNHOUSES ON THE FIRST FLOOR, ARE THOSE OPEN, UH, DOORS THAT GO TO THE LITTLE PATIOS THAT'S IN THE FRONT? FIRST OF ALL ARE, ARE THOSE PATIOS IN THE FRONT? AND THEN, UM, ARE THOSE, UH, DOORS THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO SPILL OUT INTO THAT IN THE FRONT? THE INTENT WOULD BE FOR THE RESIDENT IN THAT UNIT TO BE ABLE TO WALK OUT THEIR DOOR TO THE FRONT SIDE OF THAT BUILDING. OKAY. SO, UM, BUT I'M SEEING, UM, IT'S LIKE THERE'S A, THERE'S A FRONT DOOR MM-HMM . YOU WALK IN, BUT THEN, BUT THEN THERE'S WINDOWS ON THE OTHER SIDE. ARE THOSE WINDOWS OR IS THAT A DOOR? ZACH, DO YOU MIND GOING TO THE ELEVATION? FOR ME, I LOOK AT, UM, LIKE IN CHICAGO, EVEN IN COLUMBUS HERE, THEY HAVE LIKE, YOU SPILL OUT INTO LIKE A LITTLE WALKWAY. SO HERE IS YOUR FRONT DOOR. I GET IT. YOU WALK IN THERE. BUT THEN HERE THAT LOOKS LIKE WINDOWS TO ME, BUT THEN I'VE GOT A LITTLE PATIO THERE. MM-HMM . I, AND YOU'VE GOT 30 FEET THEN TO THE STREET AND SO FORTH. BUT I LIKE THE IDEA THAT I COULD SIT OUT THERE IF I CHOSE TO, BUT HOW CAN I REASONABLY GET OUT THERE AND HAVE LIKE A LITTLE SETIN AND A COUPLE CHAIRS AND SURE. I THINK THE INTENT IS THAT IT'S A PATIO USE. I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION ACTUALLY. YEAH, I'M, I'M, IT'S A, IT'S, THE INTENT IS FOR THOSE RAILINGS TO BE A PATIO USE FOR THAT UNIT. RIGHT? RIGHT. DOES THAT, BUT HOW DO I GET THERE? HOW DO I GET TO MY PATIO? THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION. HOW DO I GET TO, UM, I, THAT IS A DETAILED QUESTION. OKAY. THAT MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THROUGH YOUR UNIT AND THAT'D BE PRIVATE TO YOUR UNIT AS PATIOS ARE THROUGHOUT OTHER, I JUST WANNA KNOW IF THOSE DOORS OPEN THOSE, THAT, THAT, THAT WINDOW, IS THAT A WINDOW OR A DOOR? THAT'S WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT. THAT I CAN, IS THAT A PATIO THERE THAT'S IN THE FRONT? I CAN EXPLORE THE DETAILS OF THAT FURTHER. I SEE THE BENEFIT FOR IT BEING THAT WAY. OKAY. OKAY. IT'S ALL CONNECTED THAT WAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING, BUT MORE EXPLANATION ON THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME TO UNDERSTAND. UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S A GREAT USE OF SPACE. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I AGREE. OKAY. GREAT. AND, UM, ANY THOUGHTS AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TWO 70 AND WHAT PEOPLE SEE IN THE SEA OF TRAFFIC THAT THEY, OR SORRY, THE SEA AT THE PARKING LOT MM-HMM . UM, ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? UM, SO I GUESS FROM TWO 70 I, I KNOW THAT THE HEIGHT DESIRE IS FOR IT TO BE SIX STORIES, I THINK ON THE PARKWOOD SIDE, STEPPING DOWN TO OUR FOUR STORY MAX HERE MM-HMM . UM, SO I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE PARKWOOD PARKING THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING. I THINK WE'VE TRIED TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY TO BREAK UP THE PARKING THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE. UM, I'M HOPING THAT YOU VIEW OUR PRIVATE BOULEVARD THAT RUNS NORTH TO SOUTH AND KIND OF THE STREET SCAPE CHARACTER OF THAT. AND I THINK THAT REALLY HELPS BREAK UP OUR PARKING. THEN UH, THE OTHER QUESTION IS TALKING ABOUT PARKING, UM, WITH THE RESTAURANTS THERE MM-HMM . HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT COMBINING THOSE? UH, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THE AREA, BUT BRINGING A LITTLE LESS PARKING, SEEING IF THAT WAS A, AN IDEA. YOU'VE GOTTA STRETCH THERE AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING OF A, THOSE TWO THAT GO ALONG WITH, UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, THE TWO RESTAURANT OR THE TWO. YOU'RE SAYING HAVING ONE BUILDING VERSUS THE TWO, NO NOT ONE BUILDING, BUT PARKING LOT. BUT PARKING LOT BRING THE TWO PARKING LOTS TOGETHER. IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? OR FOR THE, SO THE PARKING, THAT'S TO SUPPORT THE TWO RETAIL, COMBINING THEM TOGETHER. MM-HMM . SO SHARING THE USE, SHARING, SHARING IT. SO THE RETAIL IS PARKED AT 10 PER 1000. UM, WHICH I BELIEVE, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT CODE IS, BUT I IS THE MARKET STANDARD FOR THE PARKING. UM, IT'S NOT SO DIALED DOWN TO THAT THIS BUILDING HAS TO USE THESE OR VICE VERSA. IT'S THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE RETAIL IS PARKED AT 10 FOR 1000. AND THEN, UM, THE TOWN HOMES, ARE THEY STONE OR I GUESS I'M JUST A LITTLE OFF ON HOW MUCH ARE YOU, I BELIEVE THERE'S A MIXTURE OF BOTH AND THAT THAT'S THE INTENT, BUT I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THAT. LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS JUST ABOUT THE GARAGES. ARE THEY FOR LIKE A, A, A PARTY SPILL OUT AREA? UM, THE GARAGES WITHIN THE TOWN HOMES MM-HMM . AT THE CLUBHOUSE. I THOUGHT THEY WERE AT THE CLUBHOUSE. NO, I APOLOGIZE. THEY'RE GARAGE, UH, WINDOWS THAT ARE MEANT TO, TO KIND OF SLIDE UP. OKAY. THAT YOU CAN HAVE A, YOU KNOW, YEAH. OPEN COVERED EXPERIENCE. OKAY. NOW I UNDERSTAND THEM. YEAH. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSPOKE. NO, THANK YOU. I JUST HEARD THE GARAGES. THANK YOU. I'LL BE BRIEF. THANK YOU FOR, THANKS AGAIN FOR BEING HERE. A NICE PRESENTATION. THE, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON, ON, ON HEIGHTS. SO THE, THE OFF THE PROPOSED OFFICE BUILDING THAT WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT IT'S GONNA BE. [02:30:01] HOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE HEIGHTS AND WHAT, LIKE WHAT WOULD YOU ENVISION AS NUMBER OF STORIES OR BUILDING HEIGHT FOR THAT OFFICE? FOR THE OFFICE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE? YES. UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE SHOWING IT AS ONE STORY. ONE STORY. OKAY. AND THEN YOU SAID THE TOWNHOME HEIGHTS WERE 30 FEET. THE TOWNHOME HEIGHTS, UM, AT A MAXIMUM ARE 32 TO 36 FEET. OH, OKAY. 32. OKAY. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER FLOOR TO FLOOR THEN. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN, UM, THE , CAN YOU, CAN YOU GIVE THE RENDERING OF THE UH, UH, RETAIL BUILDING DOWN THE CORNER? 'CAUSE SO WE'RE SAYING THIS IS A ONE STORY BUILDING. UM, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT? THAT'S A, TO ME A LITTLE BIT OF A STRETCH. WHAT'S THE ? BECAUSE IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A THREE STORY. SO OBVIOUSLY NOTHING ABOVE REALLY, REALLY HIGH CEILING HEIGHTS INSIDE, WHICH IS GREAT. WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THAT? I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT DIMENSION WITH ME AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH IT. I, I REALIZED I DIDN'T, SO THE INTENT ISN'T THAT IT'S A, A FUNCTIONAL TWO STORY. UM, OKAY. AND SO IT, IT WOULD BE, I WOULD ASSUME SIZED AS TWO STORY COMMERCIAL. OKAY. PERFECT. AND THE, THE PEAKS IN THE ROOF, UM, YOU CAN SEE ON KIND OF PAGE RIGHT HERE, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE ELEVATION THERE IS TO HELP HIDE MECHANICALS FOR THE BUILDING. UM, SO THAT WAS AN ATTEMPT AT A UNIQUE FEATURE TO DO THAT. OKAY. SO WE JUST, WE HAVE IT LABELED AS ONE STORY. I JUST WANNA BE CAREFUL THAT WE'RE, WE'RE BEING ACTIVE THERE ON SURE. FUNCTIONALLY ONE STORY, ARCHITECTURALLY TWO STORY. PERFECT. OKAY. UM, SO I, I HAD, I KIND OF ASKED MY QUESTION. GARY'S CONCERN, I GUESS I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, STAFF. WHAT, WHAT'S UH, STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE ON, UM, THE USE OF MATERIALS AND THE ARCHITECTURAL DISTINCT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE? I MEAN, AT THIS POINT WE HAVEN'T DOVE TOO DEEP INTO THIS. I KNOW BASED ON THE COMMENTS LAST TIME BY THE COMMISSION, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR THIS TO BE DISTINCTIVE. UM, SO I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THAT THIS HAS GONE INTO THAT DIRECTION, BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE ANSWER, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH AL TONIGHT IS IF THIS IS ACCOMPLISHING THE COMMENTS THAT THE COMMISSION HAD SHARED WITH THE LAST MEETING, HAVE WE, HAVE WE SEEN ANYTHING LIKE A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS THAT IS SO DISTINCT FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING IN DELMONT? I WOULD SAY PROBABLY NOT. OKAY. AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION FOR YOU IS THE, UH, WHAT'S THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE ON THE MOUNDING ON EMERALD? THAT'S A TRICKY SITUATION BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET A SIGNATURE TRAIL THROUGH HERE, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO CONTINUE THE GREEN CHARACTER. SO I, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY, THERE'S DEFINITELY SPACE FOR THE SIGNATURE TRAIL WALL CONTINUING SOME SORT OF MOUNDING GREENERY ALONG THAT SPACE TO CONTINUE WHAT IS HAPPENING AS YOU KEEP GOING DOWN THAT ROAD BECAUSE, SO IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT WHEN WE, AGAIN, AS OPPOSED TO THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, THE MOUNDING IN THIS CASE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL ACROSS FROM OFFICE NEAR A BUSY ROAD. SO WE WANNA TRY TO MAINTAIN THE MOUNTING AS MUCH AS WE CAN BECAUSE IT IS A NICE BUFFER FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. YEAH, I THINK WHATEVER USE WE WOULD GET ON THIS SITE, WE'D WANNA MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE THAT MOUNTING. OKAY. ZACH, CAN YOU PULL UP THE SIGNATURE TRAIL CROSS SECTION? I, THIS MIGHT HELP JAMIE WITH, BECAUSE THERE'S A SPECIFIC DESIGN FOR THE SIGNATURE TRAIL THAT'S BEEN APPROVED AND IT HAS A FAIRLY WIDE RIGHT OF WAY. SO TO GET THAT IN BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE BUILDINGS, DID YOU HAVE THE, THE HYPOTHETICAL VERSION OF IT THAT I THOUGHT YOU PRESENTED THAT OR SOMEBODY DID? YEAH, THERE WAS ANOTHER SECTION I THINK ON YOUR STAFF REPORT THAT WAS SENIOR. WAS THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION? IT'S, I THINK IT'S ON HIS STAFF REPORT. YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THEIR VISUAL OF OH YEAH, THERE WAS A CROSS SECTION. YOU KNOW, I JUST, AGAIN, JAMIE, THERE'S A SPECIFIC DESIGN, SO YEAH, WHETHER IT HAS MOUNTING OR NOT WOULD BE, IT'S PART, PART. ZACH'S GOING, IT TOOK ME A MINUTE. GOT, BUT I GOT THERE, THAT WAS IT. SO, SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE DIMENSIONS ON THAT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENING IN THAT ZONE. SO TO GET MOUNTING THIS DOESN'T SHOW MOUNTING, DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE THERE. BUT YEAH, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF TO FIT IN, UM, WHATEVER DIMENSION THAT IS 33 FEET BACK FROM THE CURB. SO, SO, SO I GUESS TO THAT QUESTION, THE INTRODUCTION OF A SIGNATURE TRAIL WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER THE CHARACTER OF THAT COMPARED TO WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, RIGHT? WE WOULDN'T CARRY THAT ON BOTH SIDES. SO WE'D BE, WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THE POINT OF HOW DOES THAT MESH TOGETHER WITH THAT EXISTING CHARACTER, BUT THAT IS VERY MUCH A VERY KEY QUESTION [02:35:01] AND POINT AS THIS MOVES FORWARD. YEAH. AND YEAH. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I THINK PART OF THE QUESTION TOO WAS YOU'VE GOT THE SIGNATURE TRAIL VERY, VERY CLOSE TO PEOPLE'S LIVING IMAGE THAT PRIVACY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT FOR ANOTHER TIME, A WHOLE NOTHER TOPIC. SORRY, DO YOU WANNA, AND THEN ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION, SORRY. FOR THE APPLICANT, THE, THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE, UM, WE KIND OF ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH BEING, JUST HAVING A DRIVE THROUGH HERE. CAN YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE AND MADE IT A HECK OF A LOT MORE APPARENT. LIKE, I GUESS CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS THERE AND ACCENTUATING THAT DRIVE THROUGH LANE? SO I THINK ACCENTUATING IT WAS TO ALLOW FOR THE FUNCTIONALITY VERSUS BEFORE WE HAD DEEPER PARKING. SO I THINK IT RAN AS A NARROWER LOOP AND AS OPPOSED TO A WIDER LOOP, UM, I STRUGGLE WITH AS WELL THAT DOES THE WATER FEATURE ENHANCE THE DRIVE-THROUGH? UM, AS ALEX MENTIONED, WE DO WANNA DRAIN TO THE SOUTHEAST. I'D BE HAPPY TO EXPLORE OTHER WAYS TO PRESENT THE DRIVE THROUGH IF, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THIS HIGHLIGHTS IT IN THE WRONG WAY. BUT IT DOES, I GUESS THE, AND THE LENGTH OF IT HAS, DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO WITH STACKING REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT, WE HAVE A LONG STACKING REQUIREMENT HERE, BUT IS THAT'S MUCH LONGER THAN WOULD BE REQUIRED. RIGHT? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS MUCH LONGER. I THINK IT'S JUST QUITE HORIZONTALLY WIDE. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD SEGUE. SO I JUST, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, SO THE AREA THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE, UM, I ASSUME THEY'RE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PONDS, IS THAT RIGHT? OR THEY AMENITY PONDS. UM, SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO FULL ENGINEERING. WE DO KNOW THAT THE SITE DRAINS THIS WAY. THE INTENT IS OBVIOUSLY DUAL USES. WE HAVE LOOKED AT DOING FULL UNDERGROUND AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THROUGHOUT THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE. SO I, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT CALCS. THE INTENTION WOULD PROBABLY BE THAT IT'S DUAL PURPOSE. SO THAT WAS THE GIST OF MY QUESTION. SO YOU HAVE, THERE'S A VERY SPECIFIC DESIGN TO THIS USING WATER, BUT IF IT'S NOT BASED ON A CALCULATIONS ABOUT HOW BIG THINGS NEED TO BE, BUT IF IT'S NOT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, IT COULD BE ANYTHING, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE PUTTING EVERYTHING UNDERGROUND, THEN YOU'RE JUST CREATING AMENITY POND. SO I, THAT'S WHERE I TRY TO GAUGE IS THIS SOMEHOW SERVING A FUNCTION? AND YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YET BECAUSE YOU REALLY HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT. BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE, I APOLOGIZE IF I YEAH, CUT YOU OFF. THE GOAL WOULD BE THAT WE CAN UTILIZE IT FOR STORM WATER AS WELL. WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL OF ENGINEERING TO CALCULATE HOW MUCH OF IT WILL BE. WE DO KNOW THAT WHATEVER WE CAN'T FIT IN THESE PONDS, WE DO HAVE TO DO UNDERGROUND. AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A A COST COMPONENT TO THAT. I, I JUST KNOW AT THIS EARLY STAGE YOU'RE DESIGNING SOMETHING, YOU HAVE REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE OUTCOME'S GONNA BE BECAUSE IT'S ALL GONNA BE DRIVEN BY ENGINEERING DECISIONS TO SOME DEGREE. WE HAVE WORKED WITH ENGINEERING ALONG THE WAY ON THIS, UM, AND THE POSITIONING OF IT. I THINK OUR ASSUMPTION NOW IS ANYTHING THAT CAN'T BE CAPTURED BY THIS, WE WILL HAVE TO BEAR THE COST TO GO UNDERGROUND ON IT. YOU ARE CORRECT IN THAT THE ORIENTATION AND IN SIZING COULD CHANGE, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DISCUSS IN, IN PRELIM IF APPROPRIATE. SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS, IS THE OBJECTIVE IS WHAT YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE THE CONCEPTUAL OBJECTIVE AND THE DETAILS, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT. OKAY. YES. UM, SECOND QUESTION IS ON THE NORTH SOUTH PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR, UM, WHICH IS IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN. UM, SO YOU'VE PICKED UP ON THAT, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PREVIOUS CONCEPTS I THINK TOO, AND THAT, THAT, AND THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN WAS A SERIES OF OPEN SPACES THAT WERE CONNECTED AND NOW YOU'RE BASICALLY CREATING A STREET THAT IS, IS THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPEN SPACES ALONG IT, UM, THAT PROVIDE THAT KIND OF LIKE, I KNOW GATHERING SPACES, YOU'VE GOT THE DOG PARK, BUT I'M NOT SURE PEOPLE ARE GONNA SIT IN THE DOG PARK , THE DOGS MIGHT. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY, ESPECIALLY CUTTING THROUGH THE SINK. THE, THE RESIDENTIAL THAT, UM, IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GATHER AROUND. IT'S NOT, IT'S, I GUESS YOU CALLED IT A PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR, IT'S A SEEDING BIKE RACKS PLANTING. BUT I'M, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE DO PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO BE THERE? IT'S KIND OF IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF PARKING LOTS. SO IS IS THAT, COULD YOU ELABORATE ON SURE. I THINK IT'S A MIX BETWEEN, OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE, THIS IS A, A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, BUT YOU DO WANT THE INTEGRATION WITH PUBLIC AND PEDESTRIAN, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING WHAT THE INTENT IS FOR THE EAST. THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'VE ALLOWED FOR THESE ENHANCED TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE OF IT. UM, I THOUGHT, OR I THINK THAT THE NORTH SOUTH BOULEVARD HELPS IN CONNECTING THAT AND THERE'S CLEAR PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS CONNECTING BOTH ENDS. [02:40:01] UM, I, I GUESS I STRUGGLE WITH THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN IN THAT THE, THE OPEN SPACES APPEAR TO BE THE TREE LINE AREAS AND WHILE I, WE'VE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH THE TREES AND, AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING ON AN ARBORIST AS PART OF OUR NEXT TO UNDERSTAND SURVIVAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT. OF THE DEVELOPMENT. BUT I GUESS I, I STRUGGLE WITH, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE ADDED QUITE A BIT OF OPEN SPACE THAT COULD BE GATHERED WHILE YES, IT'S ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF IT, IT'S QUITE LARGE. AND IS THE DESIRE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO BE RELOCATED TO THE CENTER? I, I GUESS I'M STRUGGLING WITH WHAT WHAT COULD WE SHOW THAT WOULD APPROPRIATELY RESPOND? AGAIN, IT'S, IT APPEARS THAT IT'S JUST, IT'S A ROAD AND SOME WALKWAYS GOING THROUGH PARKING LOTS AND IT'S NOT CREATING THAT KIND OF OPEN SPACE NECKLACE THAT SHOWS UP IN THE, AND I, AND I THINK THE INTENTION OF THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN THAT THAT EXISTING HEDGE ROW WAS GONNA BE SOMEHOW OKAY. PRESERVED. AND I, I GET THAT THAT'S A CHALLENGE. BUT, UM, THAT WAS, I THINK THE INTENT. AND SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR WHERE ARE THOSE LITTLE POCKETS OF, OF GREEN THAT SOMEBODY COULD KIND OF, UM, SEEK OUT AND YOU KNOW SURE. THERE'S A, THERE'S CLUSTER OF SEATING OR SOMETHING. SURE. WE, UM, IN OUR INITIAL SUBMITTAL AND DISCUSSION IN DECEMBER, WE HAD MORE POCKETS OF GATHERING SPACES. AND I BELIEVE THE FEEDBACK WAS, IT FELT UNINTENTIONAL AND SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT IT. AND SO THEN WE WENT TOWARDS THE, THE CLUSTERING AGAIN, INTERPRETATION OF, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT WAS SAID, BUT OKAY. MY INTERPRETATION WAS BE THAT'S FINE, BUT YOU NEED SOME MORE TOO. OKAY, SURE. WE, WE CAN EXPLORE THAT AND HOW DO WE ACTIVATE DIFFERENT AREAS THROUGHOUT WE, WE CAN EXPLORE HOW TO ACCOMPLISH BOTH. UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS ON THE PROPOSED, UM, OFFICE BUILDING, YOU'RE SHOWING THE POTENTIAL PARKING AREA FOR THAT KIND OF CUTTING ACROSS THE, THE CREEK OR THE DITCH OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER PEOPLE ARE CALLING THAT. UM, IT, AND, AND IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN WHEN YOU HAD THE, THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT ACTUALLY SAVED A, A, THAT STRIP ALONG THE ROAD. SO IS YOUR INTENTION JUST TO NOT THE DISCONNECT THE, THE DRAINAGE WAY THERE? SO THE, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY. THE DITCHES WE'RE REFERRING TO IT, I DON'T BELIEVE IS AN ACTUAL DITCH PER THE ARMY COURT. IT'S NOT SERVING ANY WATERWAY RIGHT NOW. AND SO YOU'RE CORRECT IN OUR INITIAL PLAN HAD THE BUILDINGS KIND OF TURNED IN AND THE PARKING NESTLED WITHIN THAT, I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE, THE FURTHEST NORTH GATEWAY AND HOW WE ORIENTED THE BUILDING. I, I'D BE HAPPY TO EXPLORE HOW COULD WE DIFFERENTLY ORIENT THE PARKING TO TAKE AWAY LESS FROM THAT WHILE STILL PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE NORTHERN PORTION. YEAH. AFTER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LAKE THAT THAT IS TRUE. I THINK ANOTHER POINT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH IS OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT TO ALIGN CURB CUTS WITH WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET. SO IT FEELS LIKE YOUR CURB CUT ON THE NORTH SIDE WANTS TO BE PLACED THERE. AND I KNOW THE SPECIAL, I THINK THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN MAYBE SHOWS IT A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION, SO WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, WHAT'S NOT. BUT I, I DO THINK WE COULD STUDY THE PARKING A BIT MORE HERE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD, UM, COMMISSION. IS THERE ANY OTHERS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW. ANYBODY WISHING TO, UM, MAKE COMMENT ON THIS CASE, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY MOVING. SO HERE'S MY, MY FAMOUS GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE GOING TH RICE. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'RE NOW GONNA TURN TO THE COMMISSION FOR, UH, FINAL DISCUSSION ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN APPLICATION. AND I THINK, UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD APPRECIATE SOME VERY DIRECT, UM, FEEDBACK SO THAT THEY CAN POTENTIALLY MOVE FORWARD TO THEIR NEXT PHASE. SO VICKY, YOU HAD NO COMMENTS. DO YOU WANT TO START US OFF? I CAN. UM, SO I DIDN'T GET TO SEE THE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS THAT THEY'VE COME IN. AND SO FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, MAYBE YOU, MAYBE YOU THINK THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS HERE? UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY STRUCK ME ABOUT THIS IS WHEN I LOOK AT THIS APPLICATION, IT IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL. AND SO IT, TO ME IT IS NOT ACHIEVING WHAT I THINK WAS IN VISION FOR THIS AREA. AND SO I LOOK AT THE OFFICE BUILDING THAT POTENTIALLY MAY OR MAY NOT GET DEVELOPED. SO I REALIZE THAT'S IN A SECOND PAGE, BUT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IT, IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT GET DEVELOPED AND IT COULD JUST SIT THERE. UM, THERE IS, IT IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL. THERE IS NOT [02:45:02] BUSINESS OFFICES, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF RETAIL AND THAT LITTLE BIT OF RETAIL, THE ONE STRUCTURE IS SCREAMING AT STARBUCKS. YOU EVEN MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT POTENTIALLY A COFFEE SHOP. SO I'M LOOKING AT TWO STRUCTURES THAT HAVE TWO POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS OF THEM. ONE OF THEM BEING A, OF MAYBE A SANDWICH SHOP, POTENTIALLY A COFFEE SHOP, THE OTHER BUILDING THAT COULD MAYBE BE A RESTAURANT AND NOT HAVING ADDITIONAL RETAIL. AND I PERCEIVE THAT AS LOOKING AT OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S FARTHER DOWN WARNER TEMPLE ROAD GROWING OUT OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN THAT WOULD HAVE SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR THAT HAS A RESTAURANT WITHIN THE SITE THAT IS PRIMARILY FOR THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THAT COMPLEX. SO TO ME, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY MEANING WHAT WAS ENVISIONED ON THIS SITE AND THEN LOOKING AT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING. UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE ARTICULATION OF MATERIALS THAT YOU'VE DONE IN THAT BUILDING, BUT IT'S STILL A VERY LONG, VERY FLAT FACADE ON ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS. SO THERE'S NOT MUCH DEPTH IN AND OUT. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN ELEVATION GOING FROM TWO STORY TO THREE STORY. SO IT IS A FULLY FOUR STORY BUILDING AND THE DEPTH ON LOOKING AT LIKE THE RENDERINGS, THERE'S MAYBE A FOOT OF CHANGE ALONG THAT FACADE OF ELEVATION OR EVEN LESS THAN THAT DOWN TO MAYBE EIGHT INCHES OR NINE INCHES. SO TO ME THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME. SO YOU DID REALLY GOOD PRESENTATIONS, YOU HAVE A LOT OF TREES ACROSS THOSE PRESENTATIONS. IT'S REALLY NOT GIVING A GOOD ELEVATION OF WHAT THAT REALLY LOOKS LIKE. SO YOU'VE ARTICULATED MATERIALS, BUT THERE'S NO ARTICULATION IN THE DEPTH OF THE FACADE OF THOSE BUILDINGS. SO THEY ARE VERY LONG AND THEY ARE GONNA APPEAR VERY LONG BUILDING. I THINK I'VE ADDRESSED ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT ARE HERE WITH MY DISCUSSION, SO THANK YOU DAN. THANK YOU. UM, I DO HAVE SOME SIMILAR COMMENTS TO VICKI, UM, BUT I'LL RUN DOWN THE QUESTIONS HERE. SO FIRST OF ALL, I WILL SAY I DO SUPPORT THE UPDATED SITE AND LANDSCAPING. YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF GETTING RID OF THE MASSING OF SOME OF THE PARKING LOTS THERE. UM, POTENTIALLY CREATING USABLE GREEN SPACE WITH SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING AS WELL. UM, ALTHOUGH I DO AGREE WITH KIM'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE SIDEWALK THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, YOU'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT TO MAKE IT, UM, ATTRACTIVE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANNA WALK THROUGH. UM, NOW MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE SECOND QUESTION HERE, WHICH I ALLUDED TO. YOU'VE GOT SOUNDED LIKE 300,000 SQUARE FEET OF RESIDENTIAL, 14,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND ZERO TO FIVE OF COMMERCIAL. AND THAT'S NOT VERY MIXED USE TO MY MIND EITHER. THAT'S VERY HEAVILY RESIDENTIAL. SO, UM, COME, I'LL COME BACK TO THAT HERE. THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL TOWN HOMES ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, I DON'T REALLY HAVE OPPOSITION TO. I THINK THAT IF DONE CORRECTLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE CAN BE A PORTION ALONG THE EMERALD TRAIL THAT BREAKS IT UP. I AGREE THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS EMERALD TRAIL, IT DOESN'T HAVE BI AND WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE BI, IT'S GOTTA OBVIOUSLY REACT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THE STREET THERE. UM, BUT I THINK THE TOWN HOMES CAN CAN WORK THERE. UM, BUT ON THE FOURTH QUESTION WE'RE BACK TO THE MASSING. I THINK THE ISSUE OF THE MAIN MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS ON THE EAST SIDE, THEY'RE BIG MONOLITHIC, VERY DENSE, AND THERE'S UM, JUST A A, A WHOLE LOT OF RESIDENTIAL THERE THAT, UM, TO VICKI'S POINT MAYBE MIRRORS WHAT'S FURTHER SOUTH, UM, THAN THAN WHAT'S FURTHER NORTH THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL IT FITS OR HOW WELL IT, IT ADDRESSES THE MIXED USE GOALS. UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED, BUT, UM, I THINK THERE ARE LIMITED DESIRABLE OPTIONS THERE FOR A DRIVE THROUGH. AND I THINK IT'LL BE REALLY TOUGH TO FIND A TENANT THAT I THINK MAKES, MAKES SENSE WITH THE MIS MIXED USE DESIGN AND DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LITTLE OUTPOST OF, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, THE SAME WAY A COFFEE SHOP OUT IN A A PARKING LOT MIGHT FEEL. YOU KNOW, I I THINK THERE'S A RISK OF IT NOT FEELING INTEGRATED AND I THINK PEOPLE HAVE, UH, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALLUDED TO THAT WITH THE, UM, SEPARATE FEEL OF EACH SECTION FROM THE, THE SMALLER RETAIL TO THE BIGGER RESIDENTIAL AND POTENTIALLY THE OFFICE UP NORTH. THANK YOU GARY. OKAY, I'M GONNA START WITH, UM, QUESTION TWO. AND IT SEEMS LIKE AS WE LOOK AT THE PROPOSALS, WE'RE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF MIXED USE IN EACH PROPOSAL. SO NOW THERE'S [02:50:01] EVEN LESS COMMERCIAL THAN IN AN EARLIER PROPOSAL AND THE OFFICE IS MAYBE GOING TO OCCUR, BUT IT'S NOT A PART OF THIS. HOWEVER, THE C THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS MIXED USE BECAUSE WE'RE OVERBUILT IN OFFICE BEHIND THE PRO BEHIND THIS SITE. SO I CAN HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH MAKING THE SITE MORE RESIDENTIAL, UM, BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES MEET THE STANDARD OF MIXED USE. I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE RETAIL AND I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. THE SITE AND LANDSCAPING. WELL IT JUST, AS I WAS ALLUDING TO BEFORE, THINGS AREN'T LINKED VERY WELL. YOU HAVE A MIDDLE SECTION AND, AND AT LEAST AS BLOCKS, THE ELEMENTS ARE COMPOSED PRETTY WELL. I MEAN, IT BREAKS DOWN FROM ONE LARGE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO COUPLE ALMOST THREE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS. ONES THAT ONE'S A STREET THAT TERMINATES IN THE CLUBHOUSE AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO BLOCKS NEXT TO IT AND THAT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, COMPOSED REASONABLY WELL. BUT THEN WHEN WE LOOK FOR SOME SHARED RELATIONSHIPS, LIKE WHEN THAT PATH CONTINUES ACROSS TO THE COMMERCIAL, IT DOESN'T, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A SPACE THAT'S AT THE END OF THAT PATH OR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE SHARED. WE'VE RECENTLY SEEN A PROPOSAL IN, UM, BRIDGE PARK WHERE YOU HAVE A COMMON SPACE, YOU HAVE AN OFFICE BUILDING, VERY DIFFERENT USE. YOU HAVE RESIDENCE, SINGLE PURPOSE, RESIDENCE, PARKING GARAGE, AND WE'RE GONNA GET ANOTHER RESIDENCE. AND THESE, THESE BUILDINGS ALL WORK TOGETHER TO DEFINE A SPACE SO THEY COLLECT AROUND A COMMON SPACE. AND SO ALL THOSE USES CAN, CAN SHARE THAT SPACE, BUT THERE'S NONE OF THAT KIND OF CONNECTION OCCURRING ANY PLACE. SO I, I THINK THE PATH IS FINE FOR ME IF THERE WAS MORE TO IT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A SPACE AT THE END AND MAYBE THAT SPACE IS WATER THEMED THAT THIS, THAT'S THAT PATH BETTER LINKS TO, AND MAYBE IT'S WHERE THAT YOUR PATH CONNECTS TO OUR NEW, UM, TRAIL, THE STREET AND YOU, YOU MARK THAT INTERSECTION AND OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS FRONT THAT. AND THEN THE SAME THING ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH THE OFFICE BUILDING, YOU CREATE SOME KIND OF OPENING WITHIN THE TREE MASS, THAT'S A SPACE THAT DOES SOMETHING THERE. SO I THINK THE SITE PLAN COULD WORK, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE THERE YET. AND I THINK YOU COULD DEVELOP IT AS THREE, THREE THEMES. UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AROUND, UH, ON EMERALD PARKWAY, WHAT I WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF IS, IS IF YOU COULD GET THE BERM IN BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE SOME RELATIONSHIP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON ACROSS THE STREET AND, AND AS YOU MOVE DOWN THE STREET YOU REINFORCE THAT IDEA OF SORT OF A GREENWAY, THEN I'D BE OKAY WITH TOWNHOUSES ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE THE EXPERIENCE OF THE STREET, YOU'RE PROVIDING THAT CONTINUITY. THAT'S A PART OF OUR, OUR PLANNING. UM, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER I HAVE, I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT THE CO ARCHITECTS AT THE OTHER END SAYS BECAUSE THE TOWNHOUSE, I'VE NEVER SEEN ELEVATIONS LIKE THAT BEFORE. AND, AND WHAT WE MEAN BY UNIQUE TO DUBLIN, LIKE WE'VE HAD SOME APPLICANTS WHO SAY, OKAY, WE LOOK AT THE, THE ARCHITECTURE, THE RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE OF IRELAND AND WE PICKED UP SOME STONE AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE MORE STONE ON THE ELEVATION AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME STONE WE SLATE OR SYNTHETIC SLATE ON THE ROOFS. AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT, LINKS IT WITH OUR, OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR PAST. BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO REINVENT SOME SOME KIND OF FORM BECAUSE, BECAUSE COMPOSITIONALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING WHEN YOU CREATE THAT GIANT VI MEAN IT'S CREATING A FOCAL POINT AT A REALLY UNUSUAL PART OF THOSE ELEVATIONS. AND, AND I KNOW YOU LISTENED TO US BECAUSE YOU QUOTED US AND I THINK SOME OF US APPRECIATE THAT YOU TRIED TO MAKE THE SIDE ELEVATIONS WITH THE PORTRAITS AND, AND WINDOWS, BUT MAYBE SOMEBODY STARTS WITH A MORE LOGICAL ELEVATION, THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE SUCCESSFULLY AND THEN TRANSFORMS IT A LITTLE BIT. UM, THE ONE THING, THE ONE THING I I WILL SAY IS, UM, THAT THAT LENDS ME, THAT LEADS ME TO SUPPORT THIS WITH SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS EVERYTHING YOU READ ABOUT AMERICAN SUBURBS IS THEY NEED TO BE DENSER AND LESS LIKE WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND WE NEED MORE HOUSING AND DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES AND WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL OF GETTING MIXED USE BY JUST LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MAYBE HAVING STRONGER LINKAGES WITH WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED, I THINK THE DENSITY HELPS US WITH RESOURCES AND UM, PROVIDES ALTERNATIVE HOUSING. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. THANK YOU MS. HAR, [02:55:02] THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I THINK THAT WAS, UM, HELPFUL AND SOME OF THE FRAMING THAT IS, IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND UH, LISTENING TO US AND I DO THINK HOW LUCKY YOU ARE, WE ARE, UM, TO HAVE THE SIGNATURE TRAIL IN THIS PERSPECTIVE. AND JUST LIKE WE'RE HEARING THAT MAY BE THIS THE SPOT AS TO HOW TO, HOW TO CONNECT EVERYONE. AND WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT THE THE TOWNHOMES, UM, I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT WHEN LIKE THE SPILLAGE ALMOST, MAYBE YOU'RE, YOU NEED TO EMBRACE THEM 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH ROOM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND I THINK OF LIKE, UH, OTHER AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE OUT ON THEIR PATIOS AND ENJOYING THAT. BUT THE SIGNATURE TRAIL IS ALSO PART OF THAT ENJOYMENT TOO. IT'S THAT ACTIVITY RIGHT NOW. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO, UM, IS WORKING DURING THE DAY OR ANYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT AND SO FORTH, UM, GONNA COME OVER AND HAVE DINNER. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH THAT'S GOING TO BRING THEM OVER FOR LUNCH AND DINNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE CONNECTIVITY ALSO MAYBE TO INSPIRE THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL TOO, THE RESTAURANTS AND THINGS AT WARNER TEMPLE TO MAYBE SAY, OH, I WANNA TURN MY BUSINESS AROUND. SO WE'RE FACING THAT STREET AND, AND IT'S, IT'S INSPIRING. UH, OTHERS THAT ARE AROUND THE AREA I THINK IS PART OF THAT SPARK, UM, TO ALL OF THIS. AND, UM, I, I DO THINK ALL THE OPEN SPACE, I THINK WHAT MR. WE IS SAYING TOO IS LIKE, LIKE WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT? WHAT, WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO HAVE IN THERE, UM, THAT BRINGS THAT CONNECTIVITY AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, CONNECTING AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT. IT IS TOUGH BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY PUT TOO MANY HOUSING OR RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHERE YOU CAN SEE TWO 70 OR TWO 70 CAN SEE THEM. I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE THAT LONG THAT THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE THAT. BUT THEY'RE ALSO SEEING A, A SEA OF, UM, A PARKING LOT AS WELL TOO. AND I'M A LITTLE, UM, YOU KNOW, SENSITIVE ABOUT THAT AND JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE DENSITY OF IT TOO. UM, AND WE'RE, ARE WE THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO, TO UM, BE RE UH, LIVING THERE AND SO FORTH AND, BUT THEN THAT'S THE MIXED USE, YOU KNOW, UM, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN BLEND THAT MORE. YOU GOT ONE OFFICE BUILDING, BUT I ALSO THINK YOU NEED TO, TO BE THINKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, RETAIL AND, AND FIGURING OUT THAT AS WELL TOO. I'M, UM, THE DRIVE-THROUGHS AND SO FORTH. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER VOTED FOR A DRIVE-THRU. I LOVE DRIVE-THROUGHS. UM, BUT IT'S NEVER, IT'S REALLY GOTTA FIT THE AREA. AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU COME UP WITH THAT AS WELL TOO. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHIN. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, GARY, UH, I, YOUR COMMENTS WERE, WERE SPOT ON IN MY OPINION. I, I, I THINK THIS IS A, ONE OF THESE SITUATIONS WHERE IT JUSTIFIES OUR EXISTENCE AS A AS A COMMISSION. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ON PAPER AND WHAT ENVISION SAYS, WE'RE GONNA PUT OFFICE SPACE AND RETAIL SPACE ACROSS FROM OFFICE SPACE THAT'S ALREADY STRUGGLING TO BE OCCUPIED. SO I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SITE AS A WHOLE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING AREAS, WE'VE GOT EMPTY STRIP CENTER SPACE ACROSS ONE ONE STREET, AND WE'VE GOT EMPTY OFFICE SPACE. I DON'T, IT, TO ME IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE TO PUT FORCE ANY MORE OFFICE SPACE OR ANY ANYMORE RETAIL RESTAURANT INTO THIS SITE. I THINK WE NEED TO GET RESIDENTS HERE. I THINK WE NEED TO GET PEOPLE THERE THAT CAN SUPPORT THE SURROUNDING AREA. AND I THINK IT BECOMES A MIXED USE AREA, NOT A MIXED USE SITE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TO DO THIS, IS BECAUSE WE WANNA DO WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE. NOW, A SITE DOWN THE ROAD, A SITE SOMEWHERE ELSE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CASE. SO, GARY, I THINK YOU NAILED IT. I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. I THINK IT'S, IT'S A MIXED USE AREA, NOT A MIXED USE SITE IS A PERFECT WAY TO PUT IT. UM, AND THEN I CAN COMMENT. I AGREE. I THINK WE'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND, AND THE OTHER PIECE I WANNA ADD TOO IS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF LED THE APPLICANT DOWN THIS PATH. WE'VE GONE, WE'VE GONE DOWN THIS MANY TIMES AND WE'VE SAID, YEAH, IT'S OKAY TO PUT THIS RESIDENTIAL IN HERE. SO I THINK TO PIVOT NOW MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT UNFAIR TO, TO, TO FORCE. I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU DID REDUCE A LITTLE BIT OF THE RESTAURANT RETAIL. I, I WAS KIND OF, I THOUGHT WE HAD A NICE BALANCE OF IT, BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT'S, WE'RE AT THE THIRD REVIEW OF THIS AND WE'VE TOLD YOU THIS IS OKAY TO KEEP PROCEEDING FORWARD. SO I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT AS WELL IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL WE'RE SHOWING. I THINK THAT YOU'VE MADE SOME REALLY GREAT SITE IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK WE'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. YOU'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS, GOT A LITTLE MORE WORK TO DO TO GET THERE. UM, AND I CAN LASTLY COMMENT ON THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, COMPONENTS. I, I APPRECIATE YOU, YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY LISTENED TO US, APPRECIATE THE ATTEMPT. IT MIGHT [03:00:01] BE A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR, SO I, I WOULD LIKE THE NEXT ROUND WE REVIEW THIS TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICS AROUND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO, BECAUSE I, I'M, AGAIN, I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO IT, BUT I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT IN THE CONTEXT. SO TO UNDERSTAND THE MATERIALS, TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUE ARTICULATION A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WE'VE GOT SOME SKETCHES HERE THAT ARE NICE, UM, BUT I MIGHT DIAL IT BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEN ALSO COME BACK WITH SOME, A LOT MORE SPECIFICS ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO, BECAUSE IT IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFERENT, VERY UNIQUE, AND WE, I FEEL LIKE I AT LEAST NEED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING BEFORE I CAN, I CAN GET BEHIND IT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE'RE, I AGAIN, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH. I THINK WE'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. YOU'VE LISTENED YOU THESE ITERATIONS. WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THERE, BUT WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE WORK TO DO. THANKS. THANK YOU. UM, YOU'RE NOW EXPERIENCING THIS COMMISSION GRAPPLING WITH THE NEW COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH ESTABLISHED FOUR MIXED USE ZONES IN THE CITY. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES, AND WE'RE STARTING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MEANS IN TODAY'S WORLD. SO, UM, WE'RE HAVING FURTHER MEETINGS COMING UP IN THE FUTURE WITH OTHER LEADERS IN THE CITY TO TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT I THINK THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS, IS CLEAR. THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN IS CLEAR ABOUT HOW THIS SITE SHOULD BE ACCOMMODATING A MIX OF USES. AND IT'S NOT OUR, OUR JOB, I DON'T THINK TO DEBATE, UM, THE MARKET VIABILITY OF THE USES. IT'S TO HOW DO WE ACHIEVE THE, UH, SPIRIT OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN. SO, UH, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE CURRENT USES ON THE SITE. UM, I THINK TOWNHOUSES ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY ARE TOTALLY OUTTA CHARACTER. EMERALD PARKWAY WAS DESIGNED AS A STREET TO SPUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY AROUND BUSINESSES AND, UH, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE TWO 70 FRONTAGE AND THIS NEW STREET. AND SO I THINK PUTTING HOUSING ON EMERALD PARKWAY IS TOTALLY OUT OF THE SPIRIT OF THE HISTORIC, UM, CHARACTER OF THAT STREET. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU COULDN'T BUILD COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY OFFICE BUILDINGS WITH RESIDENTIAL ABOVE. I MEAN, BACK TO THE VERTICAL MIXED USE, I STILL THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLORED FURTHER IN AREAS OUTSIDE OF BRIDGE PARK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CENTER DUBLIN. SO, UM, AGAIN, THOSE ARE MY ISSUES RIGHT NOW. I THINK THE, THE FORM, I MEAN, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY FOLLOWING THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN IN TERMS OF THE SITE PLAN, THE, THE FORM, THE CIRCULATION. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ALL FOLLOWING ALONG. IT'S JUST WHAT ARE THE USES IN THOSE BUILDINGS? AND I THINK, UM, IF THE, IF THERE WAS RESIDENTIAL ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, UM, TO ME IT WOULD WANT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THERE'S APARTMENTS WITH STUFF UNDERNEATH IT. I, AGAIN, TOWNHOUSES SEEMS TO BE SUCH A, I MEAN, THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY BASICALLY APPROACH, AND IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ALONG THAT THIS IMPORTANT STREET. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. UM, THE ARCHITECTURE, UH, WE HAVE THREE ARCHITECTURAL COLLEAGUES HERE THAT I THINK HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE. I SUPPORT EVERYTHING THEY SAID. UM, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THE PART THAT I DO HAVE SOME EXPERTISE IN, WHICH IS THE SITE LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'VE HEARD MY COMMENT ABOUT THE MAIN NORTH SOUTH SPINE. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE ACTIVE. AND, AND ACTUALLY THE, THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN SAYS THAT THE FRONTAGE ON PARKWOOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE ACTIVATED, WHICH IS KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT'S SUPPOSED, AGAIN, OF COURSE THE AREA PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU CREATE SOMETHING, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. SO HAVING THAT INTERNAL ACTIVATION, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. YOU'VE GOT A GREAT OPEN SPACE ON ONE END. YOU'VE GOT THE POTENTIAL FOR ANOTHER GREAT ANCHOR ON THE OTHER END. AND I, I THINK THE, THE COMMERCIAL AREA AS IT'S, AS IT'S PLANNED RIGHT NOW, IS KIND OF CHAOTIC. IT'S, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S, IT'S COMING TOGETHER AS A PLACE. AND I THINK YOU NEED TO THINK OF THE WHOLE THING AND THINK OF THE OPEN SPACE AND THE PONDS AND THE BUILDINGS, HOW THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER IN UNISON TO CREATE THAT KIND OF REALLY COOL ANCHOR. AND AGAIN, THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN ANCHORS, UM, BOTH STREETS, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, AT LEAST THE, THE CORNERS OF PARKWOOD AND, AND EMERALD. SO, UM, THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS. UM, AND I'M GONNA TURN BACK TO THE COMMISSION, AND I THINK YOU ALL WERE PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT SUPPORT OF THE USES ON THE SITE. SO I THINK I'M, I'M HEARING, I'M HEARING, AGAIN, IT'S , WE'RE NOT ALL IN AGREEMENT AND WE PROBABLY, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. UM, BUT I'M HEARING A PREDOMINANCE OF MORE MIXED USE. WHEN I ADDED UP THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, RESIDENTIAL WAS TWO 50. DAN, WHAT DID YOU THAT'S, [03:05:01] I MADE THAT UP A, I ASKED AI, I HAD 300 I THINK I HAD, YEAH. SO SOMEWHERE, I MEAN, AND THEN 13,000 SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT RETAIL. THAT TO ME IS WAY OUTTA WHACK FROM A, A MIXED USE AND MIXED USE DOESN'T JUST HAVE TO BE OFFICE AND RIGHT. I KEEP SAYING THERE'S GOTTA BE OTHER CREATIVE USES THAT MAKE THIS MIXED USE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK IT'S OUTTA WHACK RIGHT NOW. AND I'M HEARING THAT FOLKS ARE FEELING THAT. SOME PEOPLE ARE FEELING IT'S OUTTA WHACK. SOME PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE CENTER OF A OFFICE DISTRICT AND THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT THAT THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN OR THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN. SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE, SO ANYBODY WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO MY NARRATIVE? NO, NO. WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, UM, I STILL THINK THIS IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AND YOU START TO SELL THAT AWAY. I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA EVER FOSTER GETTING DEVELOPMENT OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY. AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT DUBLIN VISION PLAN THAT'S THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND WE ARE LOOKING AT, IN OTHER AREAS OF DEV, DEV, DUBLIN, WHAT TO DO WITH SOME OF THOSE UNOCCUPIED LARGE OFFICE SPACES. AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT IN FACTOR WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ONE. SO, AND WHAT THEIR, THEIR SOLUTION IS TO BRING IN MIXED USE . WELL, YES, THEY'RE BRINGING IN MIXED, MIXED USE ONLY. AND THEN, BUT THIS IS SUBSTANTIALLY RESIDENTIAL ONLY IN THE PLANNING, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEING WHEN IT ALL COMES BACK IS IT'S ALMOST ALL RESIDENTIAL. AND THAT'S THE REALITY. SO YOU CAN HAVE A PLAN AND YOU CAN HAVE REALITY. I THINK THAT THE GOAL FOR MIXED USE IS ACTIVATION. AND I THINK THAT WITH A BIG SETBACK BLOCK OF RESIDENTIAL, 96% RESIDENTIAL, IT DOESN'T ACHIEVE THAT. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND MARKET DEMANDS. MY SOLUTION WOULD BE SCALE IT DOWN TO A SCALE THAT THAT CAN MAKE MORE SENSE. UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, WE LOST A LITTLE BIT OF RETAIL, BUT IT WAS, SINCE THERE WASN'T VERY MUCH RETAIL, IT WAS 33% OF THE RETAIL. SO IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING FROM MIXED JUICE, BUT NOW WE'RE A COUPLE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET FROM NO MIXED JUICE AT ALL. I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT THAT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE MIXED WITHIN THE SITE, BUT I TEND TO AGREE MORE WITH KIM THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT THE IDEA IS TO ACTIVATE IT WITH A VARIETY OF USES. AND AGAIN, I WOULD SAY IT'S THE ROLE OF THIS COMMISSION TO UPHOLD THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE, ITS VARIOUS OTHER SUPPORTING PLANS. AND SO TO ME THIS, WE, IF WE NEED TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE, WE NEED WITHOUT, WE'RE NOT MARKET PEOPLE, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO WORRY ABOUT THE MARKET. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, UM, UH, SUPPORT PROPOSALS, APPLICATIONS THAT MEET THE INTENT OF THE, OF THOSE PLANS. YEAH, I WOULD JUST SAY THE, THE MARKET DEMAND IS MORE ABOUT PROFITABILITY OF A PROJECT, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S OUR PRIMARY CONCERN. THAT IS NOT OUR REMIT AT ALL. OKAY. I I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK TO THE APPLICANT IF YOU WANT TO COME UP. UH, ARE YOU TOTALLY CONFUSED BY WHAT THIS COMMISSION HAS GIVEN YOU TONIGHT? OR DO YOU SEE THAT THERE'S, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE, WE ARE WEIGHING THINGS AND IT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST . SO THERE ARE ELEMENTS I FEEL WE HAVE MORE CLARITY ON AND ELEMENTS I FEEL WE MAYBE HAVE LESS CLARITY ON. UM, I ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMENTS. I THINK WE WENT TOO FAR IN TRYING TO BE UNIQUE AND HAVE SOMETHING FLASHY. AND I APOLOGIZE, I I MS MAYBE NOT AS WELL PREPARED TO DISCUSS THE SPECIFICS OF IT AND THAT I ENTIRELY ACKNOWLEDGE AND WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER STAB AT AND LOOK AGAIN. UM, I STRUGGLE WITH THE DISCUSSION ON THE MIX OF USES AS I THINK DIFFERENT MEMBERS DO AS WELL. UM, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE EMERALD CORRIDOR IS ABOUT THE CORRIDOR AND SPARKING FURTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. UM, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT MAYBE THERE'S OTHER CREATIVE WAYS WE COULD DO THAT. I DON'T THINK MORE OFFICE IS GOING TO DO THAT. UM, I MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME, WE DO BRING UP THE CITY'S PARKWOOD SITE QUITE A BIT AS WE'RE DISCUSSING WITH BROKERS AND OTHER USERS IN THE AREA. AND THE FEEDBACK IS ALWAYS, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH ACTIVITY HERE. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH AMENITY SPACE. SO I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE FEEL THE BEST WAY TO ACTIVATE A SITE. AND I THINK DEVELOPMENT BREEDS OTHER DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S HEAVY RESIDENTIAL OR NOT, BUT I, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN A, A GREATER SHARE TO OTHER USES OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL. UM, I THINK WE'VE HEARD MIXED FEEDBACK WITH THAT ALONG THE WAY. SO I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH IT. UM, AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING ZACH AND I CAN TALK ABOUT THE, THE BEST APPROPRIATE RESPONSE TO IT. AND, AND AGAIN, THE WHOLE POINT OF MIXED USE IS THAT RESIDENTIAL BRINGS PEOPLE TO A PLACE. SURE. AND THEY COME THERE TO, TO SLEEP, TO EAT AND [03:10:01] RECREATE. SO WHAT AMENITIES CAN YOU INFUSE IN THIS THAT GIVES A REASON FOR PEOPLE WANTING TO LIVE HERE? IT'S NOT GONNA BE JUST 16,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. AND, AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THERE COULD BE SO MUCH MORE THOUGHT GIVEN INTO WHAT, WHAT IS A COOL MIXED USE PLACE? WHAT'S THE VIBE? WHAT'S HAPPENING? UM, ANYWAY, , SO I'M, WE'RE TRYING TO BRING CLARITY. I HOPE WE'VE GIVEN YOU SOME CLARITY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY NEED A BREAK? LOVE A QUICK BREAK. YOU WANT A BREAK? I'M GOOD. THAT'S UP. CHANCE , ARE YOU THE ONLY ONE? DAN? DAN. ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL PUSH THROUGH. OKAY. WE ARE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT [Case #26-044CU] CASE NUMBER, 26 DASH 0 0 4 4 CU CODA PARK AND RIDE TEMP LOCATION, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A TEMPORARY RELOCATION OF A PARK AND RIDE FACILITY. THE 0.77 ACRE SITE IS ON B-S-D-S-R-N AND IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF BRIDGE PARK AVENUE AND DALE DRIVE. I'M GONNA TAKE, TURN IT OVER TO MR. PELTIER FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UH, SO JAMES PELTIER WITH CRAWFORD HOING, UH, 66 40 RIVERSIDE DRIVE. UM, HAVE AMBER AND DEVIANI HERE WITH CODA. UM, WE'RE HERE TO HAPPY, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE. UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS REAL QUICK TO RUN THROUGH AS PART OF THIS. UM, SO THIS ULTIMATELY IS PART OF THE J BLOCK DEVELOPMENT. UM, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE PERMANENT CODA PARK AND RIDE WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THAT FDP AND THE PDP PROCESS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. UM, WHAT WE'RE BRINGING IN FRONT OF YOU THIS AFTERNOON IS THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE TEMPORARY PARK AND RIDE. UM, A LITTLE BIT ON THE TIMING OF THE TEMPORARY, UM, NATURE OF THIS IS CODA WILL BE, UH, MOVING OUT OF THEIR CURRENT LOCATION ON DALE, JUST DOWN THE STREET HERE AT THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER. AND THEN, UM, WE'LL BE IN THIS SPACE UNTIL JUNE OF 27, SO LESS THAN A YEAR IN THIS TEMPORARY LOCATION, UM, UNTIL THEY MOVE TO THE PERMANENT LOCATION. SO THAT'S WHEN WE ANTICIPATE THE J BLOCK GARAGE, UM, GETTING OCCUPANCY THERE AND THEM BEING ABLE TO MOVE IN. UM, SO WITH THE, UM, TEMPORARY LOCATION, UM, BEFORE THEY MOVE INTO THE PERMANENT, WE HAD TO LOOK AT OKAY, WHAT GARAGE MIGHT MAKE SENSE HERE. WE KNEW THEY HAD TO MOVE INTO A GARAGE AND HERE THERE'S NO LIKE PARKING LOTS AROUND BRIDGE PARK RIGHT? FOR THEM TO MOVE INTO. SO, UM, THE G BLOCK GARAGE MADE LOGICAL SENSE, UM, FOR A NUM NUMBER OF REASONS TO MEET THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS AND CODERS REQUIREMENTS. AND, UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. SO THAT'S SORT OF ALL I HAVE REALLY TO, TO DISCUSS. WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND ZACH, I'LL LET YOU IF THERE'S ANYTHING ADDITIONAL. THANK YOU, ZACH. GREAT, THANK YOU. UH, SO THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE. UH, ALTHOUGH IT IS TEMPORARY, WE DO STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS TO APPROVE THE PARK AND RIDE FACILITY, WHICH IS THE, THE PARKING IT, IT'S THE PARKING WITHIN THE GARAGE IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. UM, THE BUS STOP IS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND THAT'S NOT TIED TO THE, THE PARK AND RIDE PER ITS DEFINITION. UM, SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH CONDITIONAL USE IS TO, UH, APPROVE THE USE OF THE BLOCK G GARAGE AS A TEMPORARY PARK AND RIDE FACILITY. SO BLOCK G IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. UH, BLOCK J AS JAMES HAD, UH, TALKED ABOUT IS LOCATED CATTYCORNER, UH, SO SOUTH SOUTHEAST OF THE BLOCK G UH, DEVELOPMENT. SO BLOCK J IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN ONCE THAT, UH, GARAGE ON BLOCK J IS COMPLETED, THEN CODA AND THE PARK AND RIGHT FACILITY, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR BLOCK J'S GARAGE WILL MOVE BACK INTO THAT FACILITY. UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE THIS IS FROM THE BLOCK J SITE. IT'S LOOKING UP DALE DRIVE, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, THE GARAGE IN THE BACKGROUND, WHICH IS THAT BRICK. WELL, THEY'RE ALL BRICK BUILDINGS, UH, BUT THE, THE MORE RED BRICK BUILDING, UH, TO THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF THE, THE IMAGE. UM, SO AGAIN, UM, JAMES COVERED A LOT OF THIS BACKGROUND INFORMATION, BUT LIKE I STATED EARLIER, WE'RE REALLY JUST LOOKING AT, UH, THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR UTILIZING THE BLOCK G GARAGE FOR THE PARK AND RIDE FACILITY. UM, AS PART OF THIS, AND, AND THIS IS FOR THE BUS STATION, UH, THAT [03:15:01] CITY STAFF HAVE SIGNED OFF ON AND WORKED WITH CODA IN CRAWFORD HOING ON THAT LOCATION, UM, THAT WOULD BE AT THE INTERSECTION AT DALE DRIVE IN BRIDGE PARK AVENUE. UM, THAT SPACE ALREADY HAS PAVEMENT AND IT'S SITUATED CURRENTLY TODAY TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A BUS STOP. UM, SO THE EXISTING LINE WOULD, UH, PLAN TO BE REROUTED, BUT IT WOULD STILL COME THROUGH DUBLIN AND COME THROUGH BRIDGE PARK. SO WITH THAT, UH, PLAINTIFF STAFF ARE REVIEWED AGAINST THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA AND ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE. UH, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THEM ON THE BENCH AND SIGN, UH, BEING ADDED TO THE SPOT, JUST, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CONDITION. SO WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANKS, ZACH. SHOULD WE START WITH MR. CHINOOK? GOOD. JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'VE GOT A REPRESENTATIVE FROM CODA. IT SOUNDS LIKE ALL PARTIES ARE ON BOARD WITH THIS SOLUTION FROM THE CITY, DAKOTA. OKAY, SO I HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THIS BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO LIVE HERE AND I WALK, RIDE MY BIKE AND DRIVE THERE EVERY DAY. AND THAT INTERSECTION IS NOT A VERY SAFE INTERSECTION. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A BUS STOPPING IN THE TRAVEL LANE. AND THEN THE CHARACTERISTICS OF PEOPLE THAT DRIVE THROUGH BRIDGE PARK, SOMEBODY'S GONNA WANT TO, OH, I CAN GO AROUND THE BUS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE IN THE LANE COMING AT THEM. IT'S A STOP SIGN, BUT THERE'S THROUGH TRAFFIC ON THE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE CREATED A MESS. SO, UM, I, I'M I I, TWO THINGS. ONE IS, DID YOU LOOK AT ANY OTHER LOCATIONS OR CONSIDER ANY OTHER LOCATIONS? UH, WE DID, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT THROUGH HERE. UM, SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS WE LOOKED AT WAS ON MOONEY, UM, OUTSIDE THE SEA BLOCK GARAGE. UM, YEAH, JUST TO THE WEST SIDE OF G BLOCK, BUT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH SPACE THERE TO GET IN, UM, THE BUS STOP WITHOUT BLOCKING THOSE ENTRANCES INTO THE GARAGES. UM, THEN WE ALSO CONSIDERED WINDER, UM, ON BLOCK F THERE. UM, BUT WITH THAT LOCATION, THAT'S A PRIVATE STREET, UM, SO IT'S NOT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO THERE, THERE'S LIABILITY ISSUES THERE. AND ALSO IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR LIKE THE BUS TURNING MOVEMENTS. UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER TO HELP. TO SORT OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTION HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH CODA IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO STAY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF CODA'S ROUTE AND UM, UH, THROUGH DUBLIN AND THROUGH BRIDGE PARK HERE. AND THEN, UM, THEIR TURNING MOVEMENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEIR ROUTE, WE CAN, UM, ACCOMMODATE THEIR BUS TURNING MOVEMENTS. UM, THE A DA ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE RIDERS, UH, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT CHANGE ACROSS BRIDGE PARK, SO WE NEEDED THE BUS STOP, EVEN THOUGH IT'S TEMPORARY, BUT STILL TO BE IN A LOCATION THAT ACCOMMODATED THE A DA ACCESSIBILITY FOR THEIR BUS RIDERS, UM, THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THEIR REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT REALLY LIMITS SORT OF WHERE WE CAN PLACE, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE HILLS AND STUFF WE HAVE THROUGH HERE. UM, WE WANTED IT TO BE CLOSE TO THE EXISTING PARK AND RIDE AND THE PERMANENT AS WELL. SO THERE'S FAMILIARITY WITH THE RIDERS, THE CURRENT RIDERS. UM, SO WE'RE NOT LOSING RIDERS DURING THIS TRANSITION. WE'RE NOT WHERE DAKOTA'S NOT LOSING RIDERS DURING THE TRANSITION. UM, THE SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, UM, BEING CLOSE TO A, A GARAGE, UM, AND THEN HAVING SIDEWALK THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE THAT ACCOMMODATES THE, THE RIDERS FOR THEIR SAFETY, GETTING ON AND OFF THE, THE BUS. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CODA . SO HAVING WORKED WITH CODA ON THE LIVINGSTON ROAD, UH, REDESIGN, I LEARNED THAT THEY PREFER TO HAVE, UM, BUS STOPS ON THE FAR SIDE OF A INTERSECTION AS OPPOSED TO THE NEAR SIDE. SO THAT ONE, IT DOESN'T, YOU CAN SEE CARS IN THE INTERSECTION AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO ONE OF MY THOUGHTS IS COULD YOU JUST PUSH IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF BRIDGE PARK AVENUE AND HAVE THE STOP THERE, AND THEN AGAIN YOU OPEN UP THE WHOLE VISIBILITY OF THE INTERSECTION, UM, AND YOU COULD USE THE, THE BLOCK, THE PARKING GARAGE THAT SERVES THE HOTEL AND THEY JUST WALK UP AND ACCESS THE BUS THERE. I, HI. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MR. CHAIR AND, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MY NAME'S AMBER BOYD, REPRESENTING THE CENTRAL OHIO TRANSIT AUTHORITY. UM, IN RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION, SO FARSIDE STOPS OUR PREFERENTIAL, UM, WHEN ALLOWABLE BY THE SITE CONTEXT IN THIS SPECIFIC [03:20:01] CONDITION USING THAT G BLOCK GARAGE. UM, IT'D BE PREFERABLE IF WE WERE ON THE NEAR SIDE OF DALE DRIVE. UM, INSTEAD, I ALSO WOULD CAVEAT SAYING THAT THIS STOP WOULD BE SERVED BY OUR 73, WHICH IS A RUSH HOUR, SO JUST MORNING AND EVENING PEAK TIMES THAT YOU WOULD SEE THE ROUTE. AND THEN OUR SEASONAL ZOO BUS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY JUST WEEKEND SERVICE UNTIL HALLOWEEN, NOT RETURNING UNTIL MEMORIAL DAY. SO VERY LIMITED PRESENCE HERE AT THIS INTERSECTION. AND, UH, TYPICALLY AFTER, WELL AFTER HALLOWEEN, IT WOULDN'T BE THERE ON THE WEEKENDS. SO HOW, HOW LONG DOES A BUS STOP TYPICALLY AT THIS? WOULD IT STOP AT THIS LOCATION? SO FOR THE RUSH HOUR, THIS WOULD BE THE END OF LINE. SO THE BUS WOULD COME, SERVE IT, AND THEN DEADHEAD INTO A, A DIFFERENT ROUTE. SO IT WOULDN'T BE HERE VERY LONG, MAYBE ONE TO TWO MINUTES FOR BOARDING. UM, FOR THE Z BUS, PROBABLY A, A LITTLE LONGER I WOULD SAY. UH, I DON'T HAVE THE SCHEDULE TO SPEAK EXACTLY, BUT ABOUT MAYBE 10 TO 15 MINUTES FOR, FOR BOARDING AT THAT LOCATION? CORRECT. SO WONDER IF THERE'S CARS BACKED UP BEHIND THE BUS? SO WHAT DO THEY DO? , THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN BECAUSE IT'S A TWO-LANE ROAD, SO, AND, AND IT'S, YEAH, RIGHT. AND THEY WOULDN'T BE, YOU CAN ANSWER THAT MAYBE. OH YEAH, GO AHEAD. YEAH, THEY, SO THE BUS WOULDN'T BE DIRECTLY AT THE INTERSECTION. THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF AREA FOR CARS TO DEVIATE AROUND, UH, AROUND THE BUS WAITING TO MAKE THE TURN OR FOLLOW STRAIGHT THROUGH, UM, AT THAT INTERSECTION. BUT IT WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE A, A LITTLE BIT MORE CAUTIOUS IN THIS AREA IF A BUS IS LOADING THERE. DID YOU WANNA, YEAH, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? YES, OF COURSE. UH, CHAIR, CHAIR, WADE DEVIANI PRANIC. I'M DIRECTOR OF PLANNING FOR COTA. I'M ALSO A DUBLIN RESIDENT, SO VERY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, UH, IN THIS CASE SPECIFICALLY, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE SUPPORTING CITY OF DUBLIN'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, GOALS. UH, WE WERE NOT ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR SELLING OUR PARKING RIDE LOT, SO THIS IS AGAIN, TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY PARTNER AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THROUGH OUR ALIGNMENT THROUGH OUR, OUR PARK AND RIDE. THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS SUGGESTED TO US, AND WE ARE IN THE AGREEMENT VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE BUS WAITING WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. I KNOW CITY'S TRAFFIC TEAM THAT HAVE LOOKED AT IT VERY CLOSELY AND HAVE APPROVED OUR, UH, THERE ARE APPROVED AGREEMENTS AT THIS POINT, UH, AND SUB OUR SERVICE BEGINS ON SEPTEMBER 7TH. THE ALIGNMENT IS ALREADY IN OUR SOFTWARES AND OPERATORS HAVE ALREADY BUILT ON THAT LOCATION. SO, SO I WOULD SAY IT'S SLIGHTLY, UH, LATE TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS IN THE SCHEDULE. IT'S LITERALLY TWO WEEKS, UH, OUT CURRENTLY. UH, AND AGAIN, WE LEANED ON OUR CITY'S TRAFFIC TEAM TO HELP US. WE ARE NOT TRAFFIC EXPERTS. UH, SO WE, WE RELY A LOT ON, ON OUR CITY PARTNERS TO MAKE SURE THE TRAFFIC OPERATIONS ARE WITHIN CITY'S PURVIEW AND HOW THEY'RE HANDLED. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND MAY, MAY I, OH, HOT MIC. I WAS JUST GOING TO NOTE FOR, UM, SORT OF THE CLARITY OF ALL THE, UH, KIDS WATCHING AT HOME AND ANYBODY IN THE ROOM. UM, WITH THIS BEING THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE PARK AND RIDE ITSELF, IT IS CHIEFLY CONCERNED WITH THE PARK AND RIDE ACTIVITY OCCURRING ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY VERSUS THE ROUTE AND, UM, BUS STOP ACTIVITY OCCURRING WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY ITSELF. SO I THINK IT'S GOOD TO CONTEXTUALIZE THE STOP, BUT IN TERMS OF THE APPLICATION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE, IT IS TO USE THE LOCATION IN THE PARKING GARAGE TO APPROVE THAT ON THE TEMPORARY BASIS FOR THE PARK AND RIDE. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. I GUESS THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, I'M, I GUESS TECHNICALLY I'M GOING TO NOW TURN IT OVER FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. UH, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. GOING TWICE. I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY. SO I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THE APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO FINALIZE THE DETAILS OF THE BENCH AND SIGN SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL. MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU. SECOND. MM-HMM . MS. HARDER? [03:25:01] YES. MS. NEWELL? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. CHINOOK? YES. MR. WE? NO. MR. GARVIN? YES. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA POWER THROUGH NO BREAKS, RIGHT? I KNOW BASSAM HAS [COMMUNICATIONS ] COMMUNICATIONS. YEAH. A FEW ITEMS. ONE IS WE INCLUDE IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET, UH, SOME PROPOSED UPDATES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RULES AND REGULATIONS. UM, IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE, WE INCLUDE A RED LINE VERSION AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH TO BRING THE RULES UP TO, UH, THE ACTUAL PRACTICES THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS BEEN USING AND ALSO UPDATING EVEN THE NAME OF THE DEPARTMENT, UH, COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT VERSUS, UH, LAND USE ON LONG RANGE PLANNING. AND SO THOSE ARE INTENDED, THESE ARE INTENDED TO HAPPEN WITH ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE STAFF. AND THEY WILL BE GOING TO COUNCIL ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE LATER THIS YEAR. UH, WE WANTED TO SHARE THEM WITH YOU. UH, AGAIN, NOT CHANGING NECESSARILY ANYTHING THAT WE DON'T ALREADY DO, BUT WANTED TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR CONCERNS. HEARING NONE, I'M NOT GONNA GO ONCE, TWICE, TWICE. BUT, UH, UH, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, JUST A REMINDER ABOUT THE JOINT WORK SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL COMING UP ON SEPTEMBER 1ST. UH, IT'S GONNA BE MOSTLY HAVE APPROPRIATE FOR SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT, MOSTLY ABOUT THE MIXED USE, UH, DISTRICT AND, AND HOW THAT'S, UH, SHAPING UP WITH OUR CONSULTANTS. THAT WILL PLUG INTO THEN, UH, THE NEW ZONING CODE. AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE MAJORITY OF THE DISCUSSION. UH, THE FOLKS FROM CLARION WOULD BE HERE TO, UH, HELP UH, MAKE THAT PRESENTATION, BUT AS WE'VE DONE IN PREVIOUS YEARS, ALSO WE'LL START WITH SOME VERY BRIEF INTRODUCTIONS ABOUT EACH ONE OF THE BOARDS. SO IT'S GONNA BE THIS COMMISSION UPTOWN, UH, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD AND BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. UH, WE ARE WORKING ON SOME STATISTICS THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS, THE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS AND ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED THIS YEAR. AND MR. WE, I THINK WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR YOU TO PRESENT THOSE ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION. UH, BUT WE ALSO INTERESTED IN TERMS OF WHETHER YOU HAVE ANY, UM, CHALLENGES THAT YOU'VE ENCOUNTERED THIS YEAR THAT YOU WANT TO LET COUNCIL KNOW ABOUT OR SUCCESSES THAT YOU FEEL, UH, WERE UH, ONES THAT WERE ACCOMPLISHED THIS YEAR. AND SO IF YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, UH, AND LET US KNOW AND WE WILL CONVEY THOSE TO MR. WE OR VICE VERSA, UM, SO THAT WE CAN, UM, SHARE THOSE WITH COUNCIL AND, AND SEE IF THERE ARE ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. SO I ENVISION THAT HAPPENING KIND OF BRIEFLY SO THAT WE CAN, UM, USE MOST OF THE TIME FOR THAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN AN UPDATE FROM COUNCIL ON THEIR GOALS AND HOW EVERYBODY WORKS TOGETHER TO ACCOMPLISH THE PLANNING EFFORTS. FYI AM CURRENTLY WORKING TO RESOLVE A CONFLICT FOR THE FIRST. AS OF NOW, I'M QUESTIONABLE FOR ATTENDING. I WILL NOT BE THERE EITHER. , RIGHT? SO I KNOW JAMIE SENT OUT A NOTICE, SO THIS IS HELPFUL TO KNOW AS WELL. UH, THA WILL EAT TWICE AS MUCH, UH, THAT NIGHT. SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO REMIND YOU OF IS THEY WILL HAVE DINNER AT FIVE 30 AND THEN THE PROGRAM STARTS AT SIX O'CLOCK. SO, AND IT'LL BE OUT IN THE, UH, YOU'RE SERVING FILETS, ? NO, THEY'RE NOT . ALRIGHT, THE, THE OTHER TWO THINGS THAT, UH, VERY BRIEFLY, UH, WE ARE GONNA BE CANCELING THE SEPTEMBER 3RD MEETING. WE DON'T HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS ON THAT AGENDA. AND THEN THE FOLLOWING MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, WE ARE GONNA DEVOTE THAT TO A WORK SESSION REGARDING METRO CENTER. UH, WE ARE GONNA BE PRESENTING TO YOU THE UH, MR. WILL KINDA GIVE AN OVERVIEW A COUPLE MONTHS AGO ABOUT THE, UH, PROGRESS OF THAT PLANNING EFFORT. UM, SO THERE IS THE GUIDELINES COMPONENT TO THE REGULATIONS AND THERE'S A ZONING COMPONENT. UH, WE ARE GONNA BE FOCUSING ON THE GUIDELINES DURING THIS WORK SESSION, BUT WE'RE GONNA ALSO TALK TO YOU AND GET YOUR INPUT ABOUT THE APPROACH TO ZONING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO [03:30:01] PURSUE THAT. WITH THAT WE ARE HAVING AN OPEN HOUSE, UH, ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, UH, FOR THE GENERAL COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE AREA THAT'S COVERED BY THE PLAN BECAUSE IT WOULD REQUIRE REZONING AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS INFORMED AS WELL AS THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS WHOM WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH AS WELL. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL FROM STAFF, RIGHT? DOES ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? ALRIGHT. OH, SORRY VICKY, SUPER MINOR. I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE I MISSED THE LAST TWO MEETINGS AND I SAID I WAS GONNA BE ON VACATION BUT I DON'T LIKE TO MISS MEETINGS, SO NO PROBLEM. PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE VACATION. WELL I WAS PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED BEFORE I GOT ON PLANNING AND ZONING, SO I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. ALRIGHT, I AM GOING TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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