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EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S WEBSITE.
PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE THE INDUS TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE DON NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
MS. MAXWELL, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? YES.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES ]
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD.THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLOTTING A PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
OUR PROCEDURES TONIGHT, UH, WILL BE THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY THE STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE.
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PLEASE ENSURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD TO ALLOW ALL A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
OUR LAST MEETING, PEOPLE DIDN'T HEAR ME SAY THAT THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
UH, AND REFRAIN FROM REPEATING INFORMATION.
THE COMMISSION HAS RECEIVED ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS.
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APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE, OR OTHER AUDIBLE REACTION TO PUBLIC COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS OF COMMISSIONERS, STAFF, OR APPLICANTS.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID ON THE RECORD AND THAT ALL HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
THIS PROTECTS THE PROCESS, WHICH IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CONCERNED.
SO NOW WE'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN WIT WITNESSES.
UH, ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASE MUST BE SWORN IN.
SO, UM, FOR THOSE WISHING TO TESTIFY, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TO THIS STATEMENT.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? YES.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR CASES NOW.
UH, PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT CASE NUMBER 26 DASH ZERO 20 FDP BRIDGE NORTH DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT TO A LATER DATE.
[Case #26-033AFDP ]
NEXT CASE WILL BE CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 0 3 3 A FDP DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH FARMER'S MARKET, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A TEXT AMENDMENT TO ALLOW A FARMER'S MARKET AS AN ACCESSORY USE AT AN EXISTING CHURCH.THE FIVE POINT ACRE SITE IS ZONED PUD PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, ARLINGTON, BRANDON, AND IS LOCATED AT 57 75 BERKSHIRE, UH, DRIVE.
AND I'M GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING AT THE LAST MEETING OF OUR TIME CONSTRAINTS AND BE ACCOMMODATING.
MY NAME IS LYNN BURKE, AND I'M A RULING ELDER AT DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.
ADDRESS IS 5 7 7 5 DUBLIN SHEAR ROAD DRIVE, SORRY, DUBLIN, OHIO.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
THIS MESSAGE IS FROM OUR PASTOR, REVEREND NIKKI HOGARTH.
WE WERE ON A MISSION TRIP THIS WEEK, AND I CAME BACK EARLY SO I COULD BE HERE TONIGHT.
WHO IS THE PAST? UH, SHE HAS BEEN SERVING AT DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH FOR THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AND HAS GROWN TO LOVE THIS CHURCH FAMILY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH WE ARE LOCATED AS A MEMBER OF A DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS NOT ONLY RESIDENTIAL, BUT ALSO CONTAINS A PUBLIC POOL, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX,
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AND A CHURCH.WE STRIVE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS IN THE MANY WAYS AS WE CAN.
WE'VE ALWAYS ACCOMMODATED OUR NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY NEEDED TO USE OUR PARKING LOT FOR OVERFLOW PARKING.
IN THE EVENT OF A GRADUATION PARTY, THERE HAD BEEN TWO THIS PAST MAY BIRTHDAY PARTIES OR FAMILY REUNIONS, OR EVEN WHEN THEIR ROOF WAS BEING REPLACED.
THE SCHOOL HAS THE KEY TO OUR BUILDING IN THE CASE OF EMERGENCY EVACUATION.
AND WE ARE IN RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR PTO TO SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER IN CARING FOR FAMILIES NEAR US.
WE HAVE OFFERED OUR PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH POOL EVERY SUMMER WITHOUT HESITATION TO ACCOMMODATE SWIM CHAMPIONSHIPS AND OVERFLOW PARKING.
AND WE GATHER OVER THE RESOURCES QUICKLY AND COMMUNICATED TO OUR CONGREGATION WAYS WE CAN, COULD RESPOND TO THE ASHTON ASHERTON APARTMENT FIRE.
ONE OF OUR COMMITTEES HAS BEEN GATHERING FOR NEARLY A YEAR, THINKING, PRAYING, AND TALKING WITH MEMBERS, MANY OF WHOM ARE ALSO NEIGHBORS, ABOUT HOW WE CAN GROW AS A HUB OF CONNECTION, RELATIONSHIP, AND SUPPORT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAYS WE CAN FOSTER CONNECTION IN A TIME THAT SEEMS INCREASINGLY DIVIDED.
WHEN THE IDEA OF A FARMER'S MARKET CAME UP, IT FELT LIKE A NO BRAINER.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY COMMITTEE THOUGHT OF THE WAYS IN WHICH FARMER MARKETS DRAW PEOPLE TOGETHER.
SUPPORT LOCAL GROWERS ARE SUMMER FAVORITE FOR SO MANY.
AND WITH THE WALKABLE NATURE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WOULD MAKE A FRESH FOOD AND FRIENDSHIP JUST A SHORT WALK AWAY.
WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE WELCOME, A WELCOME ADDITION TO THE TRIP HOME FROM A SWIM MEET OR ON WEDNESDAY NIGHTS.
MOREOVER, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS NATURAL, THIS NATURALLY ALIGNS WITH THE CITY'S LONG-TERM OBJECTIVES FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
SPECIFICALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE FOCUS ON PLACEMAKING AND COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS AND NEIGHBORHOOD FARMERS' MARKETS SUPPORTS PLACEMAKING BY IN INTEGRATING, GATHERING, PLACES, SOCIAL INTERACTION, CONNECTION, AND WALKABILITY.
THIS PROJECT ALSO SUPPORTS THE CITY'S ENCOURAGEMENT TO CORRECT, CREATE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE THE INTERROGATION INTEGRATION OF ESSENTIAL IMMUNITIES WITHIN THE NEAR NEIGHBORHOODS ENHANCES THE RESIDENT'S QUALITY OF DAILY LIFE AND LIVABILITY, ENCOURAGING WALKING AND BIKING, AND FOSTERING A VIBRANT COMMUNITY, SUPPORTIVE OF BEST PRACTICES, PRACTICES REGARDING SUSTAINABILITY, EQUALITY, AND HEALTH.
DELON PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, A PROGRESSIVE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY ROOTED IN THE REFORMED TRADITION AND CENTERS ON THE LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST.
AND WE BELIEVE THE GOSPEL IS BEING PROCLAIMED BY THE LOVE YOU OFFER, THE WELCOME YOU CREATE, AND THE HEALING YOU CULTIVATE.
ONE OF THE WAYS WE SEEK TO FOLLOW JESUS IS BY PRACTICING RADICAL HOSPITALITY.
AND WE HOPE THIS FARMER'S MARKET IS AN EXTENSION OF JUST THAT WE SUBMIT OUR APPLICATION WITH A FRET HOPE THAT THE PRAYER AND PRAYER THAT A SMALL SCALE LOCAL MARKET CAN UTILIZE AN EMPTY PARKING LOT AND CREATE A PLACE OF CONNECTION AND VITALITY FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AND US, WHILE OFFERING ECONOMIC STABILITY FOR LOCAL FARMERS, BAKERS, AND ARGUS.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE OUR INTENTIONS AND PLANTS FOCUS PRIMARILY ON THE BENEFITS WE SEE A FARMERS MARKET MIGHT BRING, OUR LAND DIFFERS FROM THAT OF SOME OF OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
WE LEARNED THAT THERE WERE CONCERNS CIRCULATING AND WERE NOTIFIED OF A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT HAD ALREADY TAKEN PLACE BEFORE WE WERE AWARE OF IT.
WE DID OUR BEST TO CONNECT WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WHO DECLINED OUR INVITATION TO CONVERSATION.
I PERSONALLY, NIKKI PERSONALLY, SNO SPOKE WITH THE LEADER AND LONGTIME MEMBER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WHO SHE, WHO SHARED HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THE MARKET, WHICH ARE FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS WITH ANY MODIFICATIONS OR AMENDMENTS WE COULD OFFER.
NAMING THAT THE MARKET ITSELF IS AN INCOMPATIBLE WITH A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE ALSO HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH A LONG TIME RESIDENT WHO FEELS THIS WOULD BE WELCOME.
ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AFFIRM THE QUALITY AND CAREFUL PLANNING THAT OUR CHURCH HAS ALWAYS TAKEN AND REMINDS ME OF THE WAYS OUR CHURCH HAS BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR OVER THE YEARS.
OUR CHURCH IS SENSITIVE TO CONCERNS.
AND WHILE I CANNOT PROMISE THAT ANYONE WHO IS FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS WITH THE IDEA WILL EVER COME TO LOVE IT, I FIND GREAT HOPE IN THE BENEFITS, COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS
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AND LOCAL SUPPORT IT CAN OFFER WITH THE POOL ACROSS THE STREET, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL NEXT TO THE POOL, AND THE ACTIVITY THAT BOTH OF THESE ENTITIES BRING.I CAN'T IMAGINE IT FEELING OUTTA PLACE, BUT RATHER ENHANCING THE VIBRANT AND CONNECTION REALITY NATURE OF THIS SWEET SPOT IN THE DUBLIN COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU, YOU'RE FINISHED, RIGHT? YES.
YOU, YOU MAY, YOU CAN SIT DOWN IF YOU WANT TO.
UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO STAFF NOW FOR THEIR PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING, UH, TO EVERYONE TONIGHT.
SO, AS STATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS FOR A, AN AMENDED FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH A TEXT MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING DE DEVELOPMENT TEXT FOR THE SITE.
UM, THERE'S SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE OUTLINED AND WE'LL TALK THROUGH WHAT THOSE ARE.
SO REALLY THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT ESTABLISHING THE CRITERIA WITHIN THE CODE FOR, UM, THIS SORT OF ACTIVITY TO OCCUR.
AND I'LL TALK THROUGH HOW THAT WOULD OCCUR IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT PROVISIONS WOULD BE IN PLACE IN TERMS OF WHAT STAFF WOULD NEED TO REVIEW SHOULD IT BE APPROVED.
SO, UH, THE SITE IS WITHIN OUR PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, ARLINGTON, BRANDON.
THESE, THIS SITE WAS DEVELOPED IN 1996.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY ABOUT 154 PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE AND AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE ON ALMOST ALL SIDES.
YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S EXISTING MATURE TREES AND VEGETATION AND A LOT OF THESE WERE REQUIRED AND PLANTED WITH THE ORIGINAL, UH, APPROVAL OF THE, THE CHURCH AND ITS DEVELOPMENT.
SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS YOU CAN LOOK, UM, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS LOOKING SOUTH INTO THE SITE.
YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THAT EXISTING MATERIAL, VEGETATION ALONG THE REAR OF THE SITE AND ALONG THE SIDES.
AND THEN THE PHOTO ON YOUR RIGHT IS LOOKING FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE LOT LOOKING NORTHWEST.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, AGAIN, HOW THIS CORRELATES WITH THE OVERALL HEIGHT SITE PLAN, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, AND THEN WHAT THE CONDITIONS ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE TODAY.
SO, WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS, AND THIS WAS IN OUR, UH, IN STAFF'S PLANNING REPORT AS WELL.
BUT AS PART OF THE ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN, A LOT OF TIMES WE REALLY FOCUS ON THE LAND USE PLANNING.
UH, WE FOCUS ON OUR SPECIAL AREA PLANS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT THAT COVER.
UM, THINGS SUCH AS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOUSING OPTIONS.
AND, UH, THESE TWO THINGS WERE PULLED OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SECTION, WHICH FOCUS REALLY ON PLACEMAKING AND ENCOURAGING COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND IN A LOT OF OUR, UM, TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, AND NOT JUST TRADITIONAL, BUT IN A LOT OF OUR, UM, MULTI-FAMILY AREAS AS WELL AS FINDING WAYS TO CREATE SPACES THAT BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER, PRESERVING AND PROMOTING COMMUNITY CHARACTER, AND THEN SUPPORTING THE CITY'S GOALS OF BECOMING THE MOST CONNECTED CITY.
THIS IS NOT JUST FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES FORWARD, UH, BUT ALSO HOW DO WE CONSIDER THIS WHEN WE LOOK AT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND APPLY THESE PRINCIPLES.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT IS DIFFERENT, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE APPLYING THIS CONSISTENTLY ACROSS THE CITY.
UH, AND THEN ENCOURAGING COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THIS IS PROVIDING ACCESS TO HOUSING, JOBS, SERVICES AND AMENITIES CLOSE TO RESIDENTS.
UH, PROMOTING WALK, PROMOTE, WALKING AND BIKING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN.
AND THEN CREATING VIBRANT, SUSTAINABLE AND CONNECTED COMMUNITIES.
SO, WANTED TO PROVIDE THESE TONIGHT AS THESE ARE ALSO CORE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN THE CITY.
SO THE APPLICANT, UH, CAME TO THE CITY AND AND SUBMITTED THIS APPLICATION FOR A FARMER'S MARKET.
AT THE TIME, THEY DID NOT PROVIDE ANY SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR HOW THIS WOULD OPERATE.
THEY DO HAVE WITHIN THEIR APPLICATION WHAT THEY WOULD REQUEST OF THE VENDORS, AND THEY DO HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THERE.
UM, WE ALSO, AT THE TIME OF GETTING THIS AND PUBLISHING THIS, UH, THESE MATERIALS, WE DID RECEIVE, UM, SOME COMMUNICATIONS FROM RESIDENTS THAT WERE EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS REQUEST.
UH, THOSE CONCERNS GENERALLY WERE ABOUT THE TIME AND FREQUENCY OF THE MARKET, UH, COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, POTENTIAL TRAFFIC AND PARKING ON NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS ADJACENT TO THE SITE, POTENTIAL NOISE AND OTHER NUISANCES THAT WOULD AFFECT ADJACENT PROPERTIES, PROXIMITY THE MARKET TO THE REAR OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, AND THEN POTENTIAL SAFETY CONCERNS WITH THIS MARKET GOING ON.
SO THAT, UM, WE RECEIVED THAT WHILE WE WERE CREATING, UH, THE STAFF REPORT AND WE TOOK THAT INFORMATION, UM, AS WELL AS GENERALLY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND CRAFTED, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN.
SO THESE WERE SHARED WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, AHEAD OF US PUBLISHING.
UM, IN, AT THE TIME THEY DID NOT SHARE, UH, ANY CONCERNS WITH WHAT HAS SHOWN 'CAUSE IT IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS PROVIDED IN THEIR PACKET, BUT ALSO,
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UH, IT'S STAFF MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN PUT THE PROPER PARAMETERS ON THIS TO MAKE SURE IT CAPTURES WHAT, UM, THE, THE APPLICANT'S INTENT IS FOR THIS.UM, SO JUST TO GO THROUGH THIS LIST HERE, UH, THIS WOULD PERMIT FARMER'S MARKETS AS AN ACCESSORY USE ONLY FOR THIS SITE.
UH, THERE ARE TWO OTHER CHURCHES WITHIN THIS SUB SUB AREA.
UM, SO THIS TYPE OF ACCESSORY USE WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED HERE IF ANOTHER CHURCH WANTED TO DO THIS.
THEY WOULD NEED TO COME THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW FOR THIS TO OCCUR THERE.
UM, WITH THIS, UH, FARMER'S MARKET ACCESSORY USE, THERE ARE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT ARE CALLED OUT.
UH, THE FIRST IS ALLOWING ONE TEMPORARY BANNER SIGN DURING MARKET EVENTS.
UH, AND THIS WOULD BE AN ANNUAL PERMIT THAT'S REQUIRED.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A GREAT, UH, TEMPORARY PERMANENT SIGN OR NOT PERMANENT TEMPORARY SIGN APPLICATION THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, LAST THE LONGEVITY OF WHAT IS BEING SHOWN.
IT'S SOMETHING WHERE THEY WOULD MAYBE HAVE TO, UH, SUBMIT MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS, WHICH ARE MULTIPLE FEES OVER TIME.
THEY WOULD HAVE ONE SIGN THAT THEY'D BE ABLE TO USE AND THEY'D HAVE TO PUT IT UP DURING SPECIFIC TIMES AS WELL.
IT JUST CAN'T STAY OUT, UH, FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THIS, THIS MARKET.
UM, AND THEN TO ASSURE THAT THE FARMER'S MARKET, IF THEY WERE TO CONTINUE TO DO IT YEARLY, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN AND INFORMATION TO STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, WHICH CALLS OUT WHERE VENDOR LOC VENDORS CAN BE LOCATED.
THEY HAVE TO BE WITHIN DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES.
THEY CAN'T BE OUTSIDE, UH, OF THE PARKING AREA OR IN THE DRIVE AISLES.
SO THEY NEED TO LEAVE THOSE, UH, THE DRY AISLE'S CLEAR FOR PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION.
UH, THEY CAN'T USE MORE THAN 50 PARKING SPACES.
THAT'S GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE BOX THAT THEY PROVIDED HERE ON THE SCREEN.
IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY, BUT THIS IS, IF IT WERE TO CHANGE ITS LOCATION THROUGHOUT, UM, THE SITE, THEY HAVE 50 SPACES THEY CAN USE.
IF THEY WERE TO EXCEED THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
SIMILAR OF A TAX MODIFICATION, UH, THE REST OF THE SITE WOULD NEED TO BE FOR PUBLIC PARKING.
THEY'D HAVE TO MAINTAIN FULL VEHICULAR CIRCULATION THROUGHOUT THE MARKET.
UM, AND THEN THE MARKET WOULD ONLY BE LIMITED TO ONCE PER WEEK, JUNE TO SEPTEMBER FROM SIX TO EIGHT.
AND THEN THEY'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER TIME BEFORE AND AFTER TO TEAR, UH, SET UP AND TEAR DOWN.
UM, TENSE CANOPIES MAY NOT EXCEED 200 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN AMPLIFICATION OF MUSIC OR SPEAKER SYSTEMS WOULD BE PROHIBITED HERE.
AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT WITH THIS BEING IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, BUT STILL CAPTURING KINDA WHAT THEY HAVE THEY'VE REPRESENTED IN THEIR APPLICATION.
SO WITH THAT, UM, THERE ARE SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR MY TEXT MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE SCREEN.
THOSE ARE ALSO CALLED OUT IN THE PLANNING REPORT.
UM, STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THE CRITERIA FOR MINOR TEXT MODIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN MET WITH CONDITION, AND THAT CONDITION IS THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT ARE CREATED.
UM, GENERALLY WHAT STAFF FOUND WAS THAT THIS ACCESSORY USE WOULD NOT SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER THE LIST OF EXISTING PERMITTED USES IN THE SUB AREA OR CAUSE A DENSITY INCREASE.
UM, THE USE COULD BE VIEWED AS A COMMUNITY ASSET WITH THE INTENT OF CREATING MORE WALKABLE AND SOCIABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH DIRECTLY TIES TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN IN CHAPTER FIVE.
UH, AND THEN ADDITIONAL USE, SPECIFIC SPECIFIC STANDARDS ARE RECOMMENDED TO ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL CONCERNS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT LIMITATIONS HERE.
SO WITH THAT STAFF HAS, UH, FOUND THAT THIS CRITERIA TO BE MET AND THEN THE AMENDED FOUND DEVELOPMENT PLAN CRITERIA ALSO TO BE MET.
SO THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION, WHICH ARE THE, UM, THE STANDARDS WHICH WE JUST COVERED, UH, JUST IN MORE DETAIL SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT AND TO STAFF.
SO THE APPLICANT MAY BE, WANT TO BE PREPARED AT THE MIC.
UM, AND I'M GONNA START WITH MS. HARDER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND BEING HERE.
UM, AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, WHERE TRASH IS GOING AND, UH, AND WILL THEY BE USING YOUR LARGER RECEPTACLE OR TAKING THEIR OWN TRASH, OR WILL YOU HAVE TRASH AROUND AND WE'LL HAVE SPECIAL TRASH BINS TO BE COLLECTED AT THE END OF THE MARKET? UM, SINCE THIS IS NEW TO US, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'LL BE EXPECTING, BUT IT'LL BE WITH A REGULAR TRASH PICKUP, I WOULD ASSUME.
AND THEN, UM, IF, IF IT'S ANY ITEMS THAT, UM, YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, LIKE IS YOUR TRASH DAY DIFFERENT? IS IT A, IS IT, UH, LIKE, IS IT ON LIKE THURSDAY? JUST SO IF THERE'S ELEMENTS THAT, UM, SOMEONE HAS THAT COULD BECOME A SMELL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
EMILY, DO YOU KNOW WHEN OUR TRASH PICKUP IS?
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NO.I KNOW BECAUSE THE DOORS ARE LEFT OPEN ALL THE TIME.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING WALKERS, PEOPLE COMING IN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS? YEAH.
FROM THE POOL? YOU MENTIONED THE POOL AROUND THAT TIME? CORRECT.
AND, UM, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THE TIMELINE, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE FROM UNTIL SEPTEMBER WITH SCHOOL STARTING AND THINGS OF THAT SORT? IS THAT A CONCERN TO YOU AND AUGUST AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU MOVE IT UP TO MAY INSTEAD OF UM, YOU KNOW, I RESEARCHED THE OTHER FARMER'S MARKET IN THE SURROUNDING AREA AND MOST OF THEM, UM, WERE SATURDAY.
THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE WEDNESDAYS OR THURSDAYS, BUT I DID NOT WANNA COMPETE WITH THE DUBLIN, UM, FARMER'S MARKET.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT'S A BIG EVENT FOR THEM.
SO I DIDN'T WANT TO DETRACT FROM THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE PICKED WEDNESDAY.
IT'S THE BEST FOR OUR CHURCH AS FAR AS DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON.
AND THEN, UM, I GUESS IN SEPTEMBER IT STARTS TO GET A LITTLE BIT DARK, IS THAT CORRECT? OR, UM, ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIME AND CLEANUP AND NO.
AND THEN, UM, I HAD A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE, UM, ENOUGH, UH, BICYCLE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE TO KEEP BICYCLES TOGETHER AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT? LIKE RACKS AND THINGS? NO, WE DO NOT HAVE RACKS.
AND THEN HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, ENCOURAGING THE POLICE TO COME, UH, MEANING HIRING A POLICE OFFICER TO BE THERE ON THESE OCCASIONS, ON THESE EVENINGS? WE HAVE NOT.
IS IS THE POLICE SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION AT ALL? IS THAT THAT'S PART OF A ZONING PROCESS? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONTEMPLATE WITH THIS.
THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU MR. AND SORRY TO INTERJECT JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD.
COULD THE GENTLEMAN WHO, UH, REPLIED AND ANSWERED MS. HARDER'S, MRS. HARDER'S FIRST QUESTION, COME IDENTIFY HIMSELF, COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE SO THAT WE CAPTURE IT IN THE MINUTES.
ROSCOE 5 5 2 8 CAPSTONE LANE, DUBLIN.
MR. ALEXANDER, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
UM, I GUESS FIRST, DO YOU HAVE ANY REACTION, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY STAFF THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH? NO.
UM, AND THEN ARE THERE, YOU'D MENTIONED MEETS AT THE POOL THAT YOU GUYS SOMETIMES HANDLE OVERFLOW PARKING FOR MM-HMM
UH, IS THERE ANY CONCERN OF, UM, ANY OF THOSE FALLING ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE TYPICALLY NO, THEY USUALLY ARE ON SATURDAYS.
WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE AVOIDING ANY MAJOR EVENTS AT THE POOL AS DATES FOR YOUR FARMER'S MARKET? YEAH, I MEAN, THE PARKING LOT'S LARGE, SO THANK YOU.
UM, SO ARE YOU, UM, ALLOWING OR PUTTING ANY LIMITATION ON THE TYPES OF VENDORS THAT YES.
AND SO COULD YOU EXPRESS WHAT THOSE ARE? UM, WELL WE, THEY CANNOT BRING IN PRODUCE FROM, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
WE WANT IT TO BE LOCALLY PRODUCED.
UM, AND THEY HAVE TO MEET THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS THAT'S IN THE APPLICATION FOR THEM.
UM, THEY HAVE TO CARRY $300,000 LIABILITY INSURANCE, THE VENDOR DOES, BUT THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL HEALTH, HEALTH REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT THEY'RE SELLING.
ARE YOU, UM, ACCEPTING FOOD TRUCK VENDORS? WE HAVEN'T AN, WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A NEGATIVE.
SO DUBLIN JUST ADOPTED, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR FOOD TRUCKS.
IT WOULDN'T PROHIBIT FOOD TRUCKS FROM BEING ON THIS SITE AS LONG AS THEY MET WHATEVER THEIR CRITERIA WAS.
'CAUSE IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, SO A LOT OF TIMES VENDORS NEED ELECTRIC POWER IN SOME FASHION.
UM, WHETHER YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S SELLING SPECIALTY COFFEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THEY NEED ELECTRIC, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO POWER THAT? WE'RE NOT, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT THEMSELVES
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WITH A GENERATOR.SO YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM WE NOT PROVIDING ANY ELECTRICAL CONNECTIONS, NODE GENERATORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE'RE NOT PROVIDING ANY OF THAT.
BUT WOULD YOU LET YOUR VENDORS TO PROVIDE ELECTRIC, DO A GENERATOR? YES.
I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD HAVE TO.
UM, MR. HOUNSELL, CAN YOU PULL UP THE, THE PLAN, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS SIMULTANEOUSLY, BUT THE, SO THERE'S LANGUAGE ABOUT MAINTAINING FLOW THROUGH THE PARKING LOT IS ONE.
UM, AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.
SO IF THE END OF THE PARKING LOT IS OCCUPIED BY VENDORS, I'M ASSUMING WE DON'T WANT CARS CIRCULATING THROUGH WHERE THE VENDORS ARE.
IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE AN ASSUMPTION? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT.
UM, THEY MAY HAVE TO GIVE UP A COUPLE PARKING SPACES TO BE ABLE TO CIRCULATE TRAFFIC THROUGH.
YEAH, AND I DIDN'T QUITE SEE THE LANGUAGE THAT SAID THAT.
SO IT, IT, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT KIND OF HINTS AT IT.
I THINK MAINTAINING PARKING LOT FLOW, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THE FLOW BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH PARKING SPACES.
SO, UH, IT'S B TWO OR B NUMERIC TWO AND THREE.
IT SAYS FULL VEHICULAR CIRCULATION SHALL BE ACCOMMODATED DURING THE DURATION OF THE FARMER'S MARKET.
SO THAT'S WAS INTENDED TO ALLOW FOR A STAFF TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION OF WHAT'S COMPLETE CIRCULATION.
SO AT SOME POINT THERE WOULD BE A, A CIRCULATION DIAGRAM THAT WOULD BE VERY CLEARLY ILLUSTRATE CORRECT? IT WOULD HAVE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MARKED OFF ON SITE AS WELL.
UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
MS. HARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY, I HAD A COUPLE MORE.
UM, ONE IS WALKING ALONG THAT AREA, UM, UH, IN THE BACK THERE, UM, THERE'S A WALKWAY AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE TREES THAT ARE MISSING.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO CONSIDER REPLANTING SOME OF THOSE TREES TO PUT A BUFFER IN THAT AREA THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THE CHURCH? WE CAN CONTEMPLATE IT.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO, UM, THE, I'M COUNTING ON THE SPACES AND NOT 50.
AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE 50 A LOT, AM I YOU'RE SAYING 50 SPACE CAR SPACES THAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO FIT IN? IS THAT HOW I SHOULD LOOK AT THAT OR IS IT WELL, THEY, I PRESENTED THE SQUARE AND THEN MM-HMM
UM, THEY CAME BACK, THE ZONING GROUP CAME BACK AND SAID 50 PARKING SPACES.
SO I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO HAVE TO BE SIDEWAYS OR ANYTHING.
IT'S, THAT'S JUST HOW MUCH SPACE WE WILL USE.
I THINK THAT'S THE MA MAXIMUM.
BUT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE DOESN'T SHOW 50.
IT SHOWS IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, SO THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE IT BIGGER OR IT, I THINK WE ONLY HAVE TO EXTEND IT OUT BY MAYBE SEVEN.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE SAYING 50, I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO LIKE, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE IT BIGGER? AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, ZACH? THEY DO NOT HAVE TO USE ALL 50 SPACES EITHER.
UM, THIS IS JUST TO PUT A CAP ON THIS SO THAT THE, THE SIZE THAT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED OF WHAT THIS IS INTENDED TO BE, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HOLD TO IN TERMS OF A CODE COMPLIANCE INSTEAD OF THIS IMAGE ON THE LEFT.
THIS GIVES US SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC.
AND THEN, UM, THEY'RE BRINGING THEIR OWN TENTS, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
SO THEN, YOU KNOW, TENTS CAN BLOW AND SO FORTH.
I'M SORRY, PRI MAY, JUST A MOMENT.
YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED OFF.
SAID THEY GO TO SLEEP SOMETIMES.
ARE YOU HAVING, I, WHEN I READ MANY OF YOUR CRITERIA, IT, THERE WASN'T ON THE SAFETY OF A TENT THAT COULD JUST FLY AWAY.
AND YOU'VE GOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVE BIKES AND WALKING AND SO FORTH.
AND, UH, JUST THINKING AHEAD WITH THAT.
I WOULD EX WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE DON'T WANT 'EM TO DRIVE NAILS INTO THE BLACKTOPS, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING SOMETHING LIKE A ROCKS OR WHATEVER, HOWEVER THEY SECURE IT AT OTHER EVENTS.
I WOULD ASSUME THEY HAVE THAT WORKED OUT.
BUT DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD BE WRITTEN OUT AS, AS A, SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULD PLAN ON? UM, I CAN PUT IT IN THE CRITERIA FOR THEM, YES.
SO YOU WANT IT SECURE SO IT WON'T BLOW AWAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR THANK YOU FOR YOUR OKAY.
AND I'M GONNA OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
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NOW.SO IF ANYBODY WISHING TO COMMENT ON THIS CASE, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, TRYING TO SEE THE GREEN LIGHT.
I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE WOODS OF DUBLIN S SHIRE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS A 36 SINGLE FAMILY HOME SUBDIVISION ON A PRIVATE CIRCLE STREET WITH SIX TO SEVEN HOMES BORDERING THE DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.
THEIR PROPOSAL ASSIGNS VENDORS TO UP TO 50 SPACES AT THE BACK OF THEIR LOT, LESS THAN 50 FEET.
FROM FOUR OF THE BACKYARDS OF OUR RESIDENCE HOMES, THE DRAINAGE VENTS INTO OUR DETENTION POND, OF WHICH WE MUST MAINTAIN FROM OUR HOA MEMBER DUES.
SEVERAL OF THE HOMEOWNERS DID NOT RECEIVE PUBLIC NOTICE OF THIS MATTER.
THE FIRST I HEARD OF IT WAS JUNE 1ST.
THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OBTAINED THE PROPOSAL FROM THE CITY PLANNER AND THE DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH DID NOT PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION OR NOTICE TO THE PROPOSAL OF IT UNTIL THE NIGHT BEFORE THE SCHEDULED HEARING, WHICH WAS LAST THURSDAY.
I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM A NEIGHBOR ON THE STREET WHO USED TO BE A MEMBER AT THAT CHURCH SAYING, DO YOU WANNA TALK TO THE PASTOR? IT WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE THE HEARING.
UPON REVIEW OF THE 13 PAGE PROPOSAL, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES MET AND UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO OBJECT WITH WRITTEN OBJECTIONS FILED ON JUNE 3RD, AS WELL AS INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS DOCTORS SCOTT AND MACKENZIE CARDONE.
MR. AND MRS. STEVEN WAZ, WHO COULD NOT ATTEND THE HEARING LAST WEEK.
THE BASIS FOR THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OBJECTION IS THAT DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH'S PERMITTED USE IS FOR RELIGIOUS SERVICES BECAUSE IT IS IN A ZONED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IS NOT AN APPROVED USE.
SECONDLY, THEY'RE REQUESTING EVERY WEDNESDAY FROM FIVE TO 9:00 PM INCLUDING SET UP TIME AND BREAKDOWN TIME THROUGH THE END OF SEPTEMBER, KNOWING THAT THE DUBLIN NORTH POOL DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET ON DUBLIN SHIRE DRIVE CLOSES AT 4:00 PM FOR SWIM LESSONS AND SWIM MEETS ON EVERY WEDNESDAY AND ALL DAY ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 13TH FOR A HUGE WELL-ATTENDED, UH, SWIM MEET.
THE PLANNER'S RECOMMENDATION WAS PUBLISHED ON FRIDAY, JUNE 5TH.
THE CITY COMMUNICATIONS ISSUED THEIR WEEKLY EMAIL ADVISING OF POOL CLOSURES AND FOR THE UPCOMING SWIM MEETS AND ADVISED OF INCREASED TRAFFIC.
THEY CITE PARKING TO BE AVAILABLE AT THE DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, BUT THAT WILL NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE SINCE THE PROPOSAL CALLS FOR VENDOR PARKING IN THE FRONT OF THEIR LOT AND VENDOR BOOTHS IN THE BACK ALONG OUR RESIDENTS BACKYARDS.
DUBLIN SHIRE DRIVE IS A PUBLIC STREET, BUT ACCESSIBLE THROUGH THE CENTER WHEN CARS ARE PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
WITH THE INCREASED TRAFFIC IN PARKING TO NOT ONLY THE SWIM EVENTS, MINUS THE LOSS OF THE DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, NO LONGER AVAILABLE, WE ARE CONCERNED THAT ATTENDEES WILL PARK ON OUR PRIVATE NARROW 20 FOOT WIDE STREET, WHICH IS DEED RESTRICTED, NO ON STREET PARKING, AND THEN CUTTING THROUGH OUR RESIDENCE YARDS TO GET TO THOSE VENDOR BOOTHS.
EMERGENCY VEHICLES CANNOT SAFELY PASS.
IF CARS ARE PARKED ON OUR STREET, DUBLIN POLICE ARE WITHOUT JURISDICTION TO ENFORCE ANY TRAFFIC OR PARKING VIOLATIONS ON A PRIVATE STREET.
PLEASE CONSIDER THE WRITTEN OBJECTIONS THAT WERE FILED ALONG WITH THOSE, UM, THAT WERE FILED, UH, BY THE MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY TONIGHT.
I LIVE AT 55 12 CAPSTONE LANE.
UH, AT THE OUTSET, UH, I DO HAVE A, A SHORT WRITTEN PRE PRESENTATION, BUT I WANNA ADDRESS SOMETHING.
MR. HOUNSHELL, IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT, FOOD TRUCKS WOULD BE, UM, PERMISSIBLE.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD TAKE IT TO A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL.
SO WE ARE STRONGLY URGING A, A, UH, DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT SHOULD YOU SEE FIT TO APPROVE IT, I WOULD ASK FOR ADDITIONAL CONDITION OR AMENDMENT TO PROHIBIT FOOD TRUCKS.
'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ENGINES AND, UM, UH, GENERATORS.
AND, AND THAT CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE, UH, WITH OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AS DEBORAH SAID, WE HAVE 36 HOMES, UH, ABOUT FIVE OR SIX ARE DIRECTLY BACK UP TO THIS, UH,
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PROPERTY.THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, BY ON ONE SIDE BY DUBLIN SHIRE DRIVE.
UH, I DO WANNA GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY, AND I INCLUDED IT IN THE WRITTEN, UM, PACKET THAT I GAVE, UH, OF THE ORIGINAL REZONINGS.
AND THE REASON THAT'S, UH, RELEVANT, UH, TO TODAY IS BECAUSE THE SITE WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED AS THE ARLINGTON BRAND, UH, SUBDIVISION IN 1980.
A REQUEST WAS MADE FOR A MODIFICATION TO ALLOW THE CHURCH IN APRIL 95.
AT THAT TIME, THE MODIFICATION WAS APPROVED.
THE, THE MATERIALS THAT I ATTACHED TO MY LETTER GIVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS ORDER, ORDER OF CITY COUNCIL, AND THE STAFF REPORT.
AND IF THERE'S ANY THEME READING THROUGH THOSE, UH, MATERIALS, IT'S THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
RECOGNIZING THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF THIS SITE, AGAIN, BOUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY HOMES, UH, PLACED MANY RESTRICTIONS ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CHURCH.
FOR EXAMPLE, ONLY A SMALL ILLUMINATE EX EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATING SIGN WAS ALLOWED.
NO CHURCH BELLS, LIMITED LIGHTING, EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING, ET CETERA.
NOW, REQUESTS OF BEING MADE FOR ANOTHER TEXT AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FARMER'S MARKET, WE'RE OBJECTING THAT USE BECAUSE WE FIND IT TO BE ESSENTIALLY A COMMERCIAL USE IN A VERY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, MY SECOND POINT, UH, THAT DEBORAH BROUGHT UP IS PARKING.
I WOULD URGE ANYONE TO DRIVE BY ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT WHEN THERE'S A SWIM MEET.
UH, THEY'RE PARKING BOTH SIDES OF, OF, UH, DUBLIN SHIRE OVER TO ARLINGTON IN, UH, THERE'S AN ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE STREET, A CUL-DE-SAC.
THEY PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT.
IT, IT'S JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE ATTEND THESE EVENTS.
SO NOW WE'RE ADDING A FARMER'S MARKET TO, YOU KNOW, THE SAME NIGHT.
UH, AS, UH, MS. MS. O'NEILL SAID, THIS IS A PRIVATE STREET, THE, UH, PNZ AND THE COUNCIL REQUIRED US TO INCLUDE IN OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS ON STREET PARKING.
THE COMMON AREA IS PROHIBITED.
AND THAT'S, AND AS WAS SAID, OUR STREET IS ONLY 20 FEET WIDE.
AND IF YOU PARK EVEN ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, WE CANNOT GET, UH, FIRE TRUCKS AND OTHER EMERGENCY VEHICLES THROUGH.
IT WAS BUILT AS A, AS A PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NO SIDEWALKS, UH, 20 FEET WIDE.
I BELIEVE THAT THE CODE REQUIRES 24 FEET WIDE FOR CITY STREETS.
UH, SO IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT, THAT WAS DONE AT THE TIME.
I'VE BEEN TOLD THE CITY IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA ALLOW PRIVATE STREETS IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
UH, WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THE SWIM MEAT IN THE FARMER'S MARKET GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME, INDIVIDUALS WILL WANT TO ACCESS OUR STREET FOR PARKING WITH RESULT IN SAFETY CONCERNS.
UH, OUR STREET IS POSTED, NO PARKING ANYTIME.
HOWEVER, THERE'S NO WAY TO ENFORCE THAT BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE STREET.
SO I, I HAVE NO QUESTION IN MY MIND, AND AGAIN, DRIVE BY ON ANY WEDNESDAY AND YOU WILL SEE JUST CARS EVERYWHERE.
I HAVE NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT AS A RESULT OF THIS, UH, APPLICATION, IF IT GOES THROUGH AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL IT'S GONNA BE, THERE, THERE, YOU KNOW, DUBLIN FARMER'S MARKET IS HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL.
UM, BUT IF IT DOES HAVE A LEVEL OF SUCCESS, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE TRYING TO PARK IN OUR STREET AND CREATING A PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN.
BUT MY MAIN ARGUMENT AND CONCLUSION IS THIS IS JUST A COMMERCIAL USE IN A VERY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND THE HISTORY OF P AND Z CITY COUNCIL, UH, THAT I'VE PROVIDED TO YOU TONIGHT, UH, REALLY TRIED TO LIMIT THAT IMPACT OF, OF THE CHURCH ON THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS TAKES IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL THAT WE FEEL IS UNACCEPTABLE.
I LIVE AT 5 5 9 6 CAPSTONE LANE.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE WOODS OF DUBLIN SHIRE, HOAI SERVE, ALONG WITH DEBORAH AND CHUCK, WHO YOU JUST HEARD FROM.
AND AS YOU HAVE ALSO HEARD, THE ENTIRE EASTERN EDGE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BORDERS THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN PROPERTY.
WE KNOW THAT OF, OF AT LEAST FOUR HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE, UH, PRESENTED OPPOSITION TO THE PLAN.
AND WE AS A BOARD HAVE ALSO SENT IN OUR OPPOSITION TO THE PLAN, WHICH YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT THIS EVENING.
I WOULD LIKE TO START BY SAYING THAT FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH HAVE CO-EXISTED RESPECTFULLY AND ENJOYED A POSITIVE AND GENUINELY NEIGHBORLY RELATIONSHIP UNDER A CLEAR AND STABLE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS AREA IS RESIDENTIALLY ZONED.
AND THE USES ON THIS PROPERTY HAVE REFLECTED THAT THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU A WEEKLY FARMER'S MARKET, IS A COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
AND IT REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT DEPARTURE FROM THE ZONING THAT HAS GOVERNED THE AREA SINCE THE 1990S APPROVING.
IT WOULD INTRODUCE A COMMERCIAL USE INTO THE CENTER OF THREE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS, AND FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER THE RESIDENTIAL
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CHARACTER OF THE ZONING.WAS DESIGNED TO PROTECT OUR LETTERS, OUTLINE MANY CONCERNS, TRAFFIC, NOISE, LOITERING, PRIVACY, TRASH AND PEST CONTROL.
BUT I WANT TO FOCUS ON THE TWO ISSUES THAT MA MATTER MOST TO ME AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
FIRST PARKING, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, CAPSTONE LANE, WHICH WHICH I MIGHT ADD IS REALLY A CIRCLE, UH, WITH ONLY ONE ENTRANCE IS CONSIDERED A PRIVATE STREET.
AND DUBLIN POLICE DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION ON PRIVATE STREETS.
OUR HOA COVENANT RESTRICTIONS PROHIBIT ALL ON STREET PARKING BECAUSE THE STREET IS ONLY 20 FEET WIDE, AS WAS AS WAS REFERENCED EARLIER, WELL BELOW THE CITY'S PREFERRED MINIMUM.
THAT RULE EXISTS FOR ONE PRIMARY REASON TO GUARANTEE UNINTERRUPTED FIRE SAFETY ACCESS TO EVERY HOME AT ALL TIMES.
A WEEKLY FARMER'S MARKET COMBINED WITH WEDNESDAY SWIM MEETS, WILL PUSH VISITORS TO PARK WHEREVER THEY CAN.
AND ONCE ATTENDEES DISCOVER THE SHARED USE PATH THAT ALLOWS FOR QUICK ACCESS BETWEEN CAPSTONE AND THE CHURCH PROPERTY, JUST STEPS FROM THE PROPOSED MARKET FOOTPRINT.
PARKING PRESSURE ON OUR STREET WILL INCREASE DRAMATICALLY WITH NO SIDEWALKS.
OUR RESIDENTS, INCLUDING OUR CHILDREN, WOULD BE FORCED TO NAVIGATE AROUND UNFAMILIAR DRIVERS SEARCHING FOR PARKING.
THAT IS NOT A THEORETICAL CONCERN.
IT IS A PREDICTABLE AND AVOIDABLE SAFETY RISK.
WE HAVE SEEN NO DETAILED SAFETY PLAN FOR THE EVENT SO FAR.
AND EVEN WELL ORGANIZED GATHERINGS CAN FACE CHALLENGES AND RECENT INCIDENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY SHOW THAT LARGE CROWDS CAN CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PERSONAL SAFETY TO BE COMPROMISED.
OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULD NOT BE ASKED TO ABSORB THAT RISK, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING THAT PROTECTS US.
IN CLOSING, WE WANNA BE CLEAR OUR OPPOSITION IS NOT TO THE CHURCH AND THE GOOD THINGS THEY REPRESENT, BUT TO THIS PROPOSAL, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL IN NATURE AND DOES NOT BELONG IN A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREA.
DUBLIN ALREADY HAS A SUCCESSFUL, WELL-EQUIPPED FARMER'S MARKET AT BRIDGE PARK JUST 10 MINUTES AWAY.
A LOCATION, MUCH BETTER DESIGNED TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC, PARKING, AND SECURITY DEMANDS OF A COMMERCIAL EVENT.
FARMERS MARKETS BELONG IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, NOT IN THE CENTER QUIET NEIGHBORHOODS.
COMMISSIONERS, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, YOUR SERVICE, AND YOUR CAREFUL CONSIDERATION.
WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU UPHOLD THE ZONING THAT HAS PROTECTED THIS COMMUNITY FOR DECADES AND DENY THIS REQUEST.
UH, OH, LET'S SEE IS ON, THERE WE GO.
ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU ALL TONIGHT.
MY NAME IS STEVEN WAZ AND MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 5 5 2 4 CAPSTONE LANE IN THE WOODS OF DUBLIN SHIRE, ALONG WITH OUR THREE CHILDREN, ALL OF WHOM ATTENDED WYANDOT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE'VE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE, UH, JUNE OF 2017.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE TONIGHT.
UM, I WISH THE CHURCH HAD OFFERED THIS OPPORTUNITY PREVIOUSLY.
AS MS. O'NEILL ALREADY REFERENCED, UH, THE FIRST MANY OF US LEARNED OF THIS WAS JUNE 1ST OF THIS, THIS MONTH.
UM, MY PROPERTY ABUTS TO THE DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, UH, PROPERTY THAT WAS OUTLINED IN THE DIAGRAMS UP ON THIS LARGE SCREEN I CAN PERSONALLY SEE INTO THE PARKING LOT THAT WAS, UH, THE, ESPECIALLY IN PARTICULAR THE 50 SPACES THAT WERE BOXED IN IN THE DIAGRAM FROM MY KITCHEN TABLE.
WHAT MAKES DUBLIN SUCH A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE IS WHAT I WANT TO ASK YOU ALL.
I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE WONDERFUL SCHOOLS, THE MANY PARKS AND COMMUNITY BIKE PATHS AND WALKING TRAILS, THE COMMUNITY POOLS, THE RECREATION CENTER SPECIAL EVENTS SUCH AS THE DUBLIN IRISH FESTIVAL AND THE OTHER EVENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN REFERENCED TONIGHT, MULTIPLE TIMES, THE WONDERFUL FARMER'S MARKET DOWN IN BRIDGE PARK.
MOREOVER, I THINK MANY OF US AGREE THAT WE MOVED HERE AND LIVE HERE 'CAUSE IT'S A SAFE AND QUIET RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
THE AREA, THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, A RESIDENTIAL AREA ZONE FOR RESIDENTIAL LIVING ARE SAFE AND QUIET.
AS STATED IN MY PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED LETTER, OUR COMMUNITY CONCERNS BOIL DOWN TO TRAFFIC AND SAFETY, WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD REFERENCED BY OTHER, UM, MEMBERS OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD TONIGHT.
UM, NOT NOT ONLY TRAFFIC IN CARS, UH, CAR TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO FOOT TRAFFIC.
WE'VE HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST SEVEN YEARS SINCE I'VE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SUSPICIOUS AND ILLEGAL ACTIVITY OCCURRING IN THE CHURCH PARKING LOT DURING OFF HOURS.
I'VE HAD TO MAKE PER PERSONALLY, I'VE MADE NUMEROUS CALLS TO THE DUBLIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I'VE WITNESSED THEM TAKE MULTIPLE PEOPLE INTO CUSTODY JUST RECENTLY, MANY RESIDENTS, OH, I'D LIKE TO ADD, BY THE WAY, FOR THE RECORD, THAT SEEMS TO HAVE GOTTEN BETTER IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND THAT'S AN ENCOURAGING THING IN MY OPINION.
UM, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY HOLD THAT AGAINST THE CHURCH ITSELF.
BUT, UM, ANYTIME THAT ILLEGAL ACTIVITY IS HAPPENING LITERALLY IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD, UM, THAT'S CONCERNING.
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JUST RECENTLY, MANY RESIDENTS IN OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST HAD THEIR CARS RIFLED THROUGH BY, UH, SOMEONE WHO SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE.THE POINT IS THAT WE DO NOT NEED INCREASED TRAFFIC EITHER IN CARS OR ON FOOT IN OUR QUIET COMMUNITY.
THE MORE I REFLECTED ON THIS PROPOSAL, THE MORE IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME, PRIMARILY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND DUBLIN ALREADY HAS WONDERFUL SUCCESSFUL FARMER'S MARKET IN BRIDGE PARK.
FURTHERMORE, BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD THIS EVENING, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LACK OF ORGANIZATION AND PRIOR PLANNING.
THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS THAN THERE ARE ANSWERS.
THE NORTH POOL IS A COMMUNITY POOL, HOWEVER, IT'S TURNED INTO A COMPETITION POOL IN ADDITION TO A COMMUNITY POOL.
THE PROPOSED FARMER'S MARKET HERE OVERLAPS WITH SEVERAL LARGE SWIM MEET DATES.
WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GONNA PARK THEIR CARS IF THEY'RE GONNA BE USING 50 SPOTS, UP TO 50 SPOTS FOR VENDORS? I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER REJECTING THIS PROPOSAL FOR THE OUTLINED REASONS.
I ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE IT IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD.
UM, I'M HIGHLY OPPOSED TO THE FARMER'S MARKET.
UM, JUST LIKE STEVEN AND THE REST OF THE GROUP.
WE LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PROPOSED AREA THAT IS THE 50, UH, PARKING SPACES AND THE GRASS AREA THAT IS NOT OUTLINED IN THE PROPOSED AREA.
UM, IT CAN YOU PUT THE PROPOSED AREA, SO DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE PARKING AREA IS A GRASSY FIELD, WHICH IS, I THINK DEBBIE SAID 50 FEET FROM OUR BACKYARDS.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN FOR THIS IS WHAT'S KEEPING THE VENDORS, WHAT'S KEEPING THE PEOPLE, THE PARTICIPANTS FROM WALKING INTO THE GRASS INTO OUR BACKYARDS BECAUSE WE HAVE A DIRECT VIEW OF THEM ANYWAYS.
AND THE REASON I KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS IT HAPPENS ALREADY.
IT HAPPENS WITH PEOPLE PLAYING FETCH WITH THEIR DOGS AFTER CHURCH COMING INTO THE GRASS, WALKING UP AND COMING AND PEERING INTO OUR BACKYARDS.
SO THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT ISN'T, IF IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, IT'S WHEN IT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND WHAT'S IN PLACE TO KEEP THAT.
UM, ONE OF MY PROPOSED, UH, SOLUTIONS FOR THAT, IF THIS DOES GET PASSED, WAS HAVING POLICE ON HAND TO KEEP PEOPLE WITHIN THEIR AREAS AND TO GO AS FAR AS PUTTING UP TEMPORARY FENCING TO CORRAL EVERYBODY INTO THOSE 50 SPACES THAT ARE DESIGNATED.
UM, I'VE HAD A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, ESPECIALLY, UM, GENTLEMAN NAMED DAVE WHO OVERLOOKS THEIR LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE AND SO FORTH.
DAVE, AS I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE TRASH PICKUP SCHEDULE AS BEING TUESDAY, DAVE HAS WORKED TREMENDOUSLY ON GETTING THOSE DOORS SHUT AND CLEANING UP THE TRASH THAT IS CONSISTENTLY DROPPED BY RUMPKE OR WHATNOT AROUND THE DUMPSTER.
SO MY CONCERN, ANOTHER CONCERN IS TRASH, ANY ADDITIONAL TRASH THAN WHAT IS ALREADY BEING PUT IN THERE IS BY DEFAULT GOING TO OVERFLOW AND BE ON THE GROUND.
THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING THE TRASH IN IT AS IT IS.
ADD 50 VENDORS, POTENTIALLY 50 VENDORS INTO A SPACE.
I, I'M CONCERNED, WAS THERE A LOT DONE BECAUSE OF WHAT STEVEN WAS HAD SAID, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF, UH, PHONE CALLS OVER THE YEARS AND I HAVE BEEN ONE OF THEM OF ACTIVITY THAT'S AC THAT'S TAKEN PLACE IN THE BACK OF THE CHURCH'S PARKING LOT.
AND WE'VE WITNESSED FROM OUR PHONE CALLS, UH, ARRESTS AND SO FORTH, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE PLANNING AND ZONING DID A BACKGROUND ON THE NUMBER OF POLICE REPORTS OR WHATNOT THAT HAVE OCCURRED AT THE DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.
STEVEN AND I AND CARDIES, UM, HAVE MADE MULTIPLE PHONE CALLS AND TO STEVEN'S POINT HAVE SQUASHED A LOT OF THE ACTIVITY THAT HAD BEEN OCCURRING.
UM, IT WAS DRUG ALCOHOL, UM, UH, SOME OTHER THINGS I'D RATHER NOT SAY, UH, THAT HAD BEEN TAKING PLACE.
AND WE HAVE A DIRECT VIEW OF THAT ACTIVITY, WHICH IS HAPPENING IN THE EXACT SQUARE OF THESE VENDORS.
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UM, WE JUST HAD A SEXUAL PREDATOR REMOVED FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SOMEHOW GOT PAST THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ON ALLOWING SOMEBODY TO BE LIVING WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM A SCHOOL.WE ARE ABOUT 90 FEET, I BELIEVE IT IS, FROM Y DOT ELEMENTARY.
I'M BRINGING THIS UP, IS WHAT ARE THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THESE VENDORS? ARE WE GOING TO KNOW WHO'S WORKING IN THESE SPOTS? ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THEIR BACKGROUNDS? THEY'RE GONNA BE RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO THEY ARE OR WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING.
AND, UM, THAT'S JUST REALLY CONCERNING.
UM, LAST NOTE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS, IT'S BEEN PROBABLY FIVE, SEVEN YEARS WHERE THERE WAS CRIMINAL, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY FROM SOME, UH, PEOPLE FROM COMING IN FROM THE CITY RAIDED SOME GARAGES.
WE HAD POLICE HELICOPTERS FLYING OVER TOP OF DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.
THEY END UP FINDING THE STOLEN MATERIALS IN WHERE THEY WERE HIDING, WHEREAS DIRECTLY UNDER THE PINE TREE RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR DUMPSTER.
AND THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, LOOKED UP AS WELL.
SO MY POINT TO BRINGING THESE THINGS UP IS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IS, IS IT'S KIND OF A HOTSPOT FOR IT 'CAUSE IT'S SECLUDED.
I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH SERGEANT GAAN OR THE DUBLIN POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO IN TURN CONTACTED TOM HERSHEY, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PLANNER.
UH, HE RAN, UH, THE STATS FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CHURCH, THE POOL ACROSS THE STREET IN WYANDOT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FROM JUNE 8TH, 2024 TO JUNE 8TH, 2026, WHICH WAS WHEN WE WERE PREPARING FOR THIS, UH, OF THAT 125 CALLS TO THE DUBLIN POLICE DEPARTMENT RANGING FROM BREAK INTO VEHICLES, BREAKING INTO HOUSES, VANDALISM, UH, ONE SEX OFFENSE, NINE SUSPICIOUS PERSONS.
I KNOW THAT I WAS IN A SITUATION WHERE PROPERTY WAS STOLEN OFF OF MY PROPERTY.
MR. W'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME.
MR. ROSCO IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO HIM COMING THROUGH THE CHURCH PARKING LOT.
AND THEN ALSO YOU CAN SEE AROUND THE DETENTION, DETENTION POND THAT WALKWAY, A LOT OF PEOPLE BRING THEIR DOGS TO THAT GRASSY AREA BECAUSE THEY DON'T BRING HIM TO THE DUBLIN DOG PARK FOR REASONS.
AND AS A RESULT, ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE DOGS, THEY HAVE CHILDREN.
IT ALL IMPACTS THE BACK OF THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO YOU THAT I DID GET THE STATS FROM THE DUBLIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THAT ALSO TO STRESS.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE WAY TO GET IN AND OUT OF OUR CIRCLE STREET, AND THAT IS DUBLIN SHIRE DRIVE.
SO EVEN IF THE PARKING IS NOT ON OUR STREET, THE IMPACT ON DUBLIN SHIRE DRIVE OF US TO BEING ABLE TO GET IN AND GET OUT WITH THE SWIM MEETS BEING HELD THE SAME TIME IS A HUGE CONCERN.
HELLO, MY NAME'S JILL CRAN STUBER.
I LIVE AT 55 12 CAPSTONE LANE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE CHURCH.
I'M HERE TONIGHT TO FIRMLY URGE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO DENY THE CHURCH'S REQUEST.
WE BUILT AND MOVED INTO OUR HOME, I THINK 32 YEARS AGO, UH, BEFORE THE CHURCH WAS PLANNED OR APPROVED FOR THIS LOCATION.
WHILE THE CHURCH HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD NEIGHBOR, UM, ESPECIALLY OVER THIS MANY YEARS, UM, I DO FEEL THAT THIS IS PRETTY UNNEIGHBORLY CONSIDERING THE OBJECTIONS FROM THOSE OF US LIVING NEXT TO THE CHURCH.
THE FARMER'S MARKET DOES NOT SERVE A COMMUNITY NEED, PARTICULARLY NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
A DUBLIN NORTY HOSTS A VIBRANT FARMER'S MARKET EVERY SATURDAY MORNING THAT ATTRACTS SIX TO 7,000 PEOPLE WEEKLY.
UH, EVEN IF THE CHURCH'S MARKET DRAWS JUST 5% OF THAT, IT WOULD STILL BRING 300 TO 350 PEOPLE INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THERE'S NO WAY TO LIMIT THIS PARTICULAR MARKET TO JUST THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW WHO AND HOW MANY WOULD ATTEND.
THE MARKET WILL INEVITABLY LEAD TO INCREASED TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY ON THE NIGHTS OF SWIM CHAMPIONSHIPS WITH WHICH DO FALL ON THE SAME NIGHT.
UM, AND CONGESTION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MANY CHILDREN, RIDING BIKES, PEOPLE WALKING DOGS, ET CETERA.
IT'S A VERY WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
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I'M GETTING THERE.UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT FOOD WASTE.
UH, THE DUMPSTER ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY COULD NOW CONTAIN FOOD SCRAPS, ATTRACTING RODENTS AND OTHER WILDLIFE.
UM, WE DO, I KIND OF ENJOY IT, UH, SEA SKUNKS AND RACCOONS AND WHATNOT, BUT RATS REALLY AREN'T SOMETHING I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR DEDICATION TO OUR COMMUNITY.
I JUST STRONGLY BELIEVE THIS FARMER'S MARKET IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA AND REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THE APPLICATION.
ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, I'M GOING TO COUNT DOWN 1, 2, 3 AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
AND I'M NOW GONNA OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION.
MR. WAY BEFORE YOU DO THAT, COULD I MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS? I WOULD REALLY LOVE IF YOU WOULD MAKE SOME COMMENTS.
I THINK I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT WITH THE APPLICATION TYPE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING FOR THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, INCLUDING THE MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION, THERE ARE CODE CRITERIA THAT THIS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS CHARGED WITH CONSIDERING FOR THAT REQUEST.
UM, ALSO WANTED TO NOTE, AND, AND IN LIGHT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS MADE, THAT POLICE ACTIVITY, UM, PARTICULARLY IN THIS INSTANCE, IT SOUNDS LIKE BY THIRD PARTIES UNRELATED TO THE CHURCH AND, UM, ALSO THE EXISTENCE OF ANOTHER FARMER'S MARKET OPERATING IN THE CITY ARE NOT, IN MY OPINION AND IN MY ADVICE TO YOU, VALID CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE COMMISSION TO BE TAKING UNDER CONSIDERATION WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
THIS IS A QUESTION OF LAND USE, NOT, UM, A QUESTION PERHAPS OF OTHER CONSIDERATIONS SUCH AS THOSE, UM, WITH THE OTHER FARMER'S MARKET AND OTHER CRIMINAL OR POLICE ACTIVITY.
UM, LIKEWISE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND AND ANYONE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT PLANNING AND ZONING, OR EXCUSE ME, THAT THE CITY HAS NEVER REQUIRED THE APPOINTMENT, UH, OR HIRING OF A SPECIAL DUTY POLICE OFFICER FOR A PARTICULAR LAND USE.
SO, UM, ALL THAT IN MIND, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DISCUSS THIS ROBUSTLY WITH, IN THE, UH, CRITERIA SET FORTH IN YOUR CODE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
MS. HARGER, DO YOU WANT TO KICK US OFF? YES.
UM, THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE COMING OUT.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE CHURCH.
UM, YOU CAN TELL THAT THEY'VE BEEN VERY, UH, GOOD NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA AND WHERE, AND WHERE THEY SIT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, AND I, AND ON PAPER, UM, I KIND OF LOOKED AT THIS AND THOUGHT, BOY, THIS IS GONNA STRENGTHEN OUR CONNECTIVITY.
PEOPLE KIND OF FALL INTO THINGS.
THEY KIND OF THOUGHT THROUGH A FEW THINGS, UM, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL TO THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE, THE NITTY GRITTY OF THINGS, THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WEREN'T QUITE THOUGHT OUT.
AND IF YOU WALK THE SITE, YOU SEE HOW BUSY IT IS ON THE WALKWAYS WITH BIKES AND SO FORTH, HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE HOMES THAT ARE THERE.
ALSO, UM, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT AND LOOKING AT THE TREE LINE THAT, UM, THAT THERE ARE TONS OF PINE TREES THAT HAVE REALLY GROWN.
UM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG THEY'LL HAVE LEFT, BUT ALSO THERE'S, THERE HASN'T BEEN REPLACEMENT OF THAT.
AND I THINK IF THE CHURCH WOULD'VE THOUGHT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT REPLACEMENT OF THOSE WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THE TRASH AND THE RECEPTACLE, WHERE THAT IS LOCATED AND HOW THAT CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP IN THIS, THIS, UH, BY DOING A FARMER'S MARKET AND, UM, AND, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND LOOKING AT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE PLACE.
AND FOR WHAT IT'S BEING ASKED TO DO, UH, THE IDEA IS LOVELY.
THE IDEA WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BRING PEOPLE IN.
UM, I WORRY ABOUT THE PARKING AND, UH, AND THE SAFETY.
UM, IF YOU ALL HAVE CONTACTED THE WASHINGTON FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, THE SAFETY OF GETTING IN, EVEN IN THAT, THAT SPOT THERE.
SO, UH, AT THIS POINT I'M NOT IN FAVOR.
ONE, FOR THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU BE, WOULD YOU VOLUNTARILY AGREE TO PROHIBIT FOOD TRUCKS FROM BEING A PART OF YOUR FARMER'S MARKET? YES.
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THAT'S NOT SOMETHING, SO YOU'D BE WILLING IF, IF THIS, OKAY, IF THIS WERE TO PASS, YOU'D BE WILLING TO, I I JUST WANT TO MAYBE, UH, WE CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION.I, I THINK I, I THOUGHT FOOD TRUCKS WERE ALLOWED IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND STREETS IN DUBLIN, THEY'RE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ALL THE TIME.
PEOPLE HIRE THEM, THEY COME IN, THEY SET UP, THE NEIGHBORS COME AND GET FOOD AND THEN THEY LEAVE AS, AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE RESTRICTED UNLESS THAT'S CHANGED.
MR. HOUNSELL, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, NO, THAT HAS NOT CHANGED.
WE HAVE CREATED, IT WAS ORDINANCE 29 26, UH, WHICH WAS MOST RECENTLY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AND IT TALKED ABOUT ESSENTIALLY ADDITIONAL RE REGULATIONS AND, UH, PERMITTING PROCESSES TO MAKE SURE THAT FOOD TRUCKS, IF THEY WERE GOING TO OPERATE, WERE GOING TO OPERATE, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE.
UM, BUT THERE ARE ALSO REQUIREMENTS ABOUT, AND OF COURSE MY LINK DIED ON ME AS I HAD THIS UP.
UM, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION, HOW OFTEN THEY CAN OPERATE, UM, WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR TRASH, HOW THEY'RE LIMITED IN TERMS OF SPEAKERS.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER LIMITATIONS.
BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED IN TERMS OF PRIVATE PROPERTY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S A FARMER'S MARKET OR NOT.
A PRIVATE PROPERTY COULD HAVE A FOOD TRUCK THERE AND IT WOULD BE ALLOWED, BUT COULD PRIVATE PROPERTY LIMIT IT? IT'S NOT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
COULD PRIVATE PROPERTY LIMIT IT AND SAY, WE DON'T WANT IT ON OUR PROPERTY? SO IT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION,
'CAUSE THERE, IT DISTINGUISHES BETWEEN PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY PRIVATE PROPERTY, IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL PRIVATE PROPERTY, IF IT'S NOT RE NOT RESIDENTIAL.
SO LET ME PULL THAT UP FOR YOU.
I'LL ASK MY SECOND QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE, YOU'RE RESEARCHING THAT I HEARD THE, UH, COMMENT, SEVERAL SWIM MEETS.
IS THERE, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA HOW MANY WEDNESDAY NIGHTS THERE ARE SWIM MEETS? UM, I HAVE NOT BEEN IN COMMUNICATION, BUT OUR PASTOR HAS GONE OVER THERE AND TALKED WITH THEM AND WE'VE WORKEDED OUT DATES WITH THEM TO TRY TO BE ACCOMMODATING.
BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT, BUT I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO NO.
GET A SENSE OF FREQUENCY, BUT IT, DOES ANYBODY KNOW IT'S EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT? CAN CAN YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE? OH, I'M SORRY.
IT'S EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT IN THE SUMMER.
THE POOL IS CLOSED AT 4:00 PM TO MEMBERS AND RESIDENTS FOR SWIM MEETS SWIM LESSONS.
AND THEN THE HUGE ALL DAY SWIM MEET IS WEDNESDAY, JULY 13TH.
AND THOSE WEEKLY WEDNESDAY SWIM MEETS ARE UNTIL SCHOOL STARTS, WHICH I BELIEVE IS LIKE, WELL THE POOL CLOSES, UH, LABOR DAY WEEKEND.
SO I BELIEVE THE LAST ONE OF THOSE POOL SWIM MEETS WOULD BE LIKE SOMETIME IN MID-AUGUST.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
WE, I THAT'S, I THINK WE ANSWER A QUESTION, GARY, RIGHT? UN UNLESS THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU WANTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
I I IF YOU COULD, UH, COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UM, AND I'M MEMBER OF DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN AS WELL.
SO WE ACTUALLY ONLY, OUR PARKING LOT IS ONLY USED FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP WEEKEND FROM THE SWIM MEETS.
SO THE WEDNESDAY NIGHT MEETS DON'T TRICKLE OVER TO US.
THE CHAMPIONSHIP WEEK IS THE ONLY WEEK WHERE WE ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING.
AND, AND YOU DO THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? YEAH.
JUST YOU COULD, YOU COULD, YOU COULD DENY THEM FROM PARKING THERE DURING THAT EVENT.
WE DON'T MAKE ANYTHING OFF OF THAT.
WE JUST OFFER OUR PARKING LOT FOR, MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE.
WE, THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE PARKING IN THE STREETS TO BLOCK THEIR DRIVEWAYS OR WHATEVER.
SO WE OPEN OUR PARKING LOT TO HELP FOR THE OVERFLOW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. GARVIN.
SO, UH, THE ORDINANCE SITE THAT WAS APPROVED, AGAIN, IT WAS ORDINANCE 29 26.
UH, THIS IS IN SECTION OR CHAPTER 1 23.
SO IT'S NOT WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCES.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF FOOD TRUCK APPLICATIONS, IT SAYS BEFORE ANY FOOD TRUCK MAY OPERATE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN, SUBJECT TO THIS SECTION, THE FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR SHALL SUBMIT A FOOD TRUCK APPLICATION, WHICH SHALL REQUEST FROM THE FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR AT LEAST FOLLOWING INFORMATION.
UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT ESSENTIALLY MEETING THE OHIO REVISED CODE REQUIREMENTS OPERATIONS.
UM, THE, ANY FOOD TRUCK OPERATION EQUIPMENT HAS TO BE CONTAINED WITHIN OR ON THE FOOD
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TRUCK.UH, THEY CAN'T USE SPEAKERS OR AUDIO AMPLIFICATION.
THEY CAN'T BE OPEN BEFORE SEVEN OR AFTER 10.
UM, THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT PUBLIC PROPERTY, UH, AND THEN POWER WATER SOURCES.
BUT WHAT IT TALKS ABOUT WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY ON A NON-RESIDENTIAL PRIMARY USE, IT'S PERMITTED, UH, FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY WITH A NON-RESIDENTIAL PRIMARY USE, A MIXED USE PARCEL OR A VACANT COMMERCIAL PARCEL IF THEY DO SO FOR NOT MORE THAN 14 CALENDAR DAYS IN A MONTH.
AND SUBJECT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER'S WRITTEN CONSENT FOR SUCH OPERATION.
SO EV REGARDLESS, ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT'S NON-RESIDENTIAL IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK.
UM, AS LONG AS THEY MEET THOSE CRITERIA.
AND THE ONE CRITERIA IS THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE OWNER'S CONSENT, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.
IT'S, THEY CAN'T OPERATE FOR MORE THAN 14 CALENDAR DAYS IN A MONTH, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE WRITTEN AUTHORITY OR WRITTEN CONSENT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER.
DOES THAT MEAN, AND MAYBE THAD NEEDS TO WEIGH IN, DOES THAT MEAN THEY CAN OPERATE FOR 13 DAYS ON THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEN THEY NEED TO GET THE OWNER'S, UH, PERMISSION FOR MORE DAYS? NO, FOR ANY DAYS THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER'S PERMISSION.
IT'S JUST THAT EVEN THE PROPERTY OWNER CANNOT PERMIT THEM FOR MORE THAN 14 DAYS.
ARE WE JUST TALKING AND NOT OKAY.
UM, SO AS A USE, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE FARMER'S MARKET.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE MEANT TO BRING GOODS FROM RURAL AREAS INTO NEIGHBORHOODS.
I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERNS HERE ARE WITH THE SCALE AND THE TIMING.
UM, AND THEN I'M ALSO SENSITIVE TO THE USE OF THE CUT THROUGH.
THE CUT THROUGH REMINDS ME A LITTLE BIT OF WHEN WE, UH, HEARD THE CASE ON RADIANT LIFE IN THE SOCCER FIELDS, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT RESIDENTS ADJACENT TO THEIR, HAVING THEIR YARDS CUT THROUGH IN THE SAME WAY.
UM, IN THAT CASE, WE PUT THE ONUS ON THE PROPERTY OWNER TO PREVENT THAT AND TO POLICE THAT.
SO, UM, IN THIS CASE THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE, THAT WOULD BE SOMEBODY KIND OF KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT BACK LOT AND MAKING SURE PEOPLE AREN'T CUTTING THROUGH THERE.
IN TERMS OF THE REMEDY FOR PEOPLE PARKING ON THE PRIVATE STREET, I DID HAVE A QUESTION MAYBE FOR THAD, IS THAT SOMETHING REMEDIED BY TOWING? ARE YOU AUTHORIZED TO TOW SOMEBODY IF THEY'RE PARKED ILLEGALLY ON A PRIVATE STREET? OR IS THERE ANY REMEDY? THERE MAY BE REMEDY FROM THE OWNER OF THE PRIVATE STREET, BUT, UM, I, I COULDN'T ADVISE THEM ON WHAT THEIR REMEDIES ARE.
SO IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME MECHANISM TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM USING THAT CUT THROUGH TO DISCOURAGE THEM FROM PARKING IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I THINK IF THAT CUT THROUGH IS NOT AVAILABLE, UH, TO ME IT'S LESS LIKELY THAT THAT STREET WILL BE USED FOR PARKING.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE TIMING, IT JUST IS ODD, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE ON WEDNESDAY NIGHTS WHEN IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE BIGGEST NIGHT FOR THESE SWIM MEETS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT DOESN'T OVERFLOW INTO YOUR PARKING LOT.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU MAKE YOUR PARKING LOT AVAILABLE FOR WHEN IT DOES.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT DOESN'T ON A WEEK TO WEEK BASIS, I DO WONDER IF THE PRESSURE TOGETHER WILL CREATE ANY ISSUES FOR DUBLIN SHIRE OR ADDITIONAL PARKING PRESSURE.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SENSITIVITY TO THE TIMING OF THOSE MEETS.
MAYBE AN ESTIMATE OF THE PARKING CAPACITY, IF WE'VE GOT SOME WAY TO LOOK DURING A MEET AT THE CAPACITY REMAINING ON THE POOL.
I MEAN ON THE, UM, YEAH, ON THE SWIM POOL PARKING LOT, WHICH I GUESS IS, THAT'S A SHARED PARKING LOT WITH Y AND DOT I BELIEVE SO.
UM, SO I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK WE'D NEED TO, TO MAYBE CONSIDER OUTSIDE OF THE PHYSICAL SPACE LIMITATIONS A LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF VENDORS AND POTENTIALLY IT SOUNDS LIKE THE TYPE NOW, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY I WOULD SEE ONE FOOD TRUCK MAYBE AT HOME IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS.
I'M NOT FOR OR AGAINST THEM IN PARTICULAR.
UM, BUT THE IDEA HERE WOULD BE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A LOWER IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY AROUND.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THE OVERHEAD, THERE IS A NATURAL BUFFER THERE.
THIS IS AN AREA WHERE YOU'RE ALREADY GONNA HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC COMING IN.
UM, AND THAT GENERALLY, I THINK THAT A MARKET DOES ENHANCE WALKABILITY.
I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS BROUGHT UP BY THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEMBERS ABOUT PRIOR PLANS IN THE NINETIES, SOME OF THOSE HAVE BEEN UPDATED JUST WITH THE, UH, ADDITIONAL DENSITY IN DUBLIN AND THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN.
I THINK WE'VE MADE A, A TRY TO PRIORITIZE MAKING ALL OF THE COMMUNITY KIND OF WEAVE TOGETHER.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK DOES POTENTIALLY HELP ACCOMPLISH THAT IF DONE IT THE RIGHT WAY.
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POLICING THE CUT THROUGH, UH, AVOIDING CONFLICTS WITH THE SWIM MEETS AND, UM, MAYBE FURTHER REDUCING THE SCALE IN THE EARLY STAGES WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATIONS.BUT WITH THOSE AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, I'D BE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE.
UM, MS. NEWELL, BEFORE WE START, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND THERE ALL THE TIMES.
RIGHT NOW WE, WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN PUBLIC COMMENT.
MS. NEWELL, PLEASE, UH, OFFER YOUR, YEAH.
SO, UM, I LOVE FARMER MARKETS, UM, BUT WE'RE, UM, WE'RE ASKING TO ENTERTAIN A COMMERCIAL USE WHERE IT WASN'T EXPECTED ORIGINALLY ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO FOR ME, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, AND I WAS EVEN, UM, LOOKING AT THE CRITERIA, I DIDN'T, COULDN'T EVEN GET PAST ONE AND TWO IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING AND BELIEVING THAT THE CRITERIA WAS MET FOR THIS USE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, ONE WHILE THE STAFF HAD MADE THE COMMENTS THAT IT WAS AN ACCESSORY USE THAT DOES NOT ALTER THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING OR THE SITE, IT DOES ALTER THE DESIGN OF THE SITE.
UM, WE HAVE NO SET LAYOUT OF, UH, OR WE HAVE A LIMIT THAT IT CAN ONLY COVER 50 PLACES, BUT THERE'S NO WAY OF KNOWING WHERE THOSE ARE GONNA BE SET, HOW BIG THEY ARE, HOW TRAFFIC IS GONNA CIRCULATE WITHIN THAT SITE.
AND THEN, UM, THE SAME GOES, THEN YOU GET TO, UM, THE NUMBER TWO, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSING VEHICLE CIRCULATION OR PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION THAT MIGHT COME IN AND OFF OF THE SITE.
AND, UM, I HAVE IN OUR OWN, UM, COMMUNITY, WE HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT IS SITTING AMONGST, UM, RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A SOURCE OF COMPLAINT.
UM, I FREQUENT BUS, SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES, WE HAVE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE THERE.
UM, BUT YOU GET ISSUES WITH PARENTS THAT ARE LIVING NEARBY THAT HAVE SMALL CHILDREN, AND THIS IS OPERATING POTENTIALLY TILL NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF LITTLE KIDS EVEN IN SUMMER WHO ARE GONNA GO TO BED AT EIGHT.
AND THAT WAS NEVER ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED, YOU KNOW, I MOVED INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAVING THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ALREADY THERE.
IT WAS ALREADY PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE IN WHAT THIS PUD OR WHAT THIS WAS THAT GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT I THINK WAS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED.
SO I'M PRETTY MUCH A NO ON THIS.
UM, I DO RESPECT MY OWN FEATHER COMMISSIONERS.
I, I, I AGREE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE GONNA BE IN FAVOR OF THAT, I THINK THEY NEED FENCING SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE ON A TEMPORARY USE THAT CAN WALK INTO SOMEONE'S JARRED.
I THINK YOU CLEARLY NEED TO KNOW HOW TRASH IS GONNA BE HANDLED, BECAUSE I ENVISION IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN THEY EXPECT.
AND FARMER'S MARKETS CAN ACTUALLY BRING A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT I DON'T THINK OUR APPLICANT HAS IS FULLY PREPARED TO ADDRESS EITHER.
UM, A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION.
UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I LOOK AT A CHURCH THAT'S TRYING TO BECOME A COMMUNITY HUB, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THEIR MISSION.
AND SO I, I, I SEE THE, THE FARMER'S MARKET AS A WAY TO BRING FRESH FOOD INTO COMMUNITY, TO BRING AN ACTIVITY THAT BRING NEIGHBORS TOGETHER.
AND I, I, I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF THAT, OF A FARMER'S MARKET BECOMING A KIND OF A COMMUNITY CONNECTOR, IF YOU WILL.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TEMPORARY USE.
IT'S, IT'S ONE DAY A WEEK, A WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
I, I I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONFLICT WITH THE SWIM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE CONFLICTS REALLY ARE.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY EXPLORED THOSE IN GREAT DETAIL.
BUT, UM, YES, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT.
UM, THEY'RE TAKING 50 SPACES OF 150 SPACE PARKING LOT.
SO THERE'S A HUNDRED SPACES FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN, PARK, GO TO THE FARMER'S MARKET AND LEAVE.
THEY HAVE AN ENTRANCE IN AND OUT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO PARK ON THE STREET NECESSARILY.
YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM DOING THAT.
SO I SEE THAT THERE'S MINIMAL CONFLICTS FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT.
AND, UM, I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME WELL-DEFINED USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN APPLIED TO THIS, UM, THAT REALLY HELPED TO, TO CLARIFY IT.
SO I AM IN GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT AND, YOU KNOW, THE MISSION OF THE CHURCH AND TRYING TO BECOME A COMMUNITY HUB.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, I, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC, TO ME, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE GONNA WALK TO.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THIS IS FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE AROUND IT.
IT'S NOT PEOPLE COMING IN FROM COLUMBUS TO GO TO A FARMER'S MARKET.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO, UM, COME TO THIS MAYBE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT
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I, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET PEOPLE THAT WILL STILL DRIVE THERE.I THINK YOU COULD GET EVEN OWN MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH AND I THAT WOULD END UP DRIVING THERE.
AND I'M THINKING OF MY OWN PARISH.
BRIDGET'S HAS AN EXTREMELY LARGE PARKING LOT BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY LARGE CHURCH.
AND I THINK ONCE WE GO DOWN THE ROAD AND WE IMPROVE IT HERE, THEN WE HAVE THE, YOU HAVE TO ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN EVERYWHERE.
AND SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED WITH LIKE, EXPANDING COMMERCIAL USE IN LIKE, IT WASN'T ANTICIPATED THAT YOU WERE EVER GONNA HAVE COMMERCIAL USE ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO I CONSIDER THIS MORE THAN JUST SIMPLY BEING ACCESSORY.
SO WE'VE ALL HAD OUR CHANCE TO VOICE OUR CONCERNS OR STATEMENTS.
UM, WE HAVE A, A MOTION IN FRONT OF US TO APPROVE A FI AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH TEXT MODIFICATIONS WITH A CONDITION, AND THEN IT OUTLINES THOSE CONDITIONS.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE COULD ADD TO THOSE CONDITIONS, MR. BOGS? I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
THAT WOULD SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
AND, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
AM I CORRECT? SO, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST THERE BEFORE US.
IS A, AND YEAH, THE APPLICATION.
AND THEN, UM, CERTAINLY THE COMMISSION CAN ADD CONDITIONS TO WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED BY STAFF, WHETHER THAT BE PRIOR TO A MOTION BEING MADE, AND THEN INCLUDE NOT ONLY THESE, BUT ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.
OR ONCE A MOTION IS MADE, A MOTION COULD BE MADE TO AMEND THAT MOTION TO ADD OR REMOVE CONDITIONS.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO I WOULD NOTE THAT THERE ARE FIVE MEMBERS HERE THIS EVENING.
OUT OF THE USUAL SEVEN, IT IS A MAJORITY OF THE QUORUM THAT IS SUFFICIENT TO PASS A MEASURE THROUGH THIS BODY.
SO THREE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE WOULD PASS A MOTION.
SO IF I COULD, SO IF I'D SUGGEST, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY WHERE GARY IS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE AT LEAST TWO, TWO AS IS.
I WOULD THINK WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE THE MOTION ALREADY WITH ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS, EVEN FOR FOLKS WHO MAY NOT VOTE FOR IT UPFRONT AND THEN VOTE ONE OR THE OTHER.
THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT STATEMENT.
SO, SO I'M, SO WE WANT TO, IF THERE'S ANY, UM, ADDITIONS TO THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE SHOULD MAKE THEM.
NOW THE, SO DO YOU WANNA, SO I WANTED TO DISCUSS MAYBE IF THERE SHOULD BE A LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF VENDORS INCLUDED IN THIS RATHER THAN JUST THE SPACE.
SO THERE'S A MAXIMUM RIGHT NOW OF 50.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE WANT TO YEAH.
FEWER THAN 50 VENDORS, I WOULD THINK, UM, FOR THAT SPACE.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU, DO YOU GUYS ANTICIPATE ONE VENDOR PER PARKING SPACE? IS THAT THE SCALE OF THESE? YES, THAT'S IN THE, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THEN THAT YOU LIMIT THE NUMBER OF VENDORS THEN RATHER THAN JUST, SO THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN IS NOT TO, THIS IS NOT WRITTEN TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF VENDORS.
UM, AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS INTENDED FOR, THIS IS INTENDED FOR BOTH VENDOR PARKING AND THEIR SETUP SPACE.
A TYPICAL PARKING SPACE IS NINE FEET BY 19 FEET.
UM, SO PART OF THE APPLICATION, WE WOULD ASK THEM TO SHOW US WHERE THEY'RE DESIGNATING CERTAIN AREAS FOR, UM, FOR VENDORS TO SET UP.
BUT THAT'S, THAT IS HOW THIS IS, IS WRITTEN TO GIVE THEM THAT FLEXIBILITY BASED ON, UM, THE SORT OF INTEREST THAT THEY GET AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN CONSOLIDATE THEIR SPACE AND STILL MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT OF HOW THIS IS WRITTEN AND THAT'S HOW WE WOULD ADMINISTER IT.
SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LIMIT TO A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF VENDORS IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO DO? THAT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE TO DO.
THAT'S JUST NOT HOW WE HAVE DRAFTED THIS.
SO I GUESS BACK TO WHERE WE JUST WERE, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ABOUT LIMITING TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF VENDORS? OR IS THAT NOT A CONCERN FOR YOU GUYS? I'M OKAY WITH A MAXIMUM 50.
I, I WAS GONNA SAY, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET 50 VENDORS TO FIT IN THOSE 50 PARKING SPACES TO BEGIN WITH.
SO IF YOU TAKE LIKE, UH, I'M, I'M GOING TO LOWE'S AND I'M GONNA BUY A, YOU KNOW, THE TENT STRUCTURES THAT MOST VENDORS ARE USING, THOSE THINGS ARE 10 BY 10 FEET OR 12 BY 12.
SO THEY'RE ALREADY GONNA SPRINT OVER TO PARKING SPACES TO BEGIN WITH THAT.
AND THEN IF THEY HAVE A VEHICLE WITH THEM THAT THEY'RE SETTING UP,
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THEY'RE TYPICALLY, UM, PLACES WHERE I'VE WITNESSED THIS, THEY'RE PARKING THOSE VEHICLES HORIZONTALLY ACROSS THE PARKING SPACES WITH THEIR TENT IN FRONT IF THEY NEED TO HAVE PARKING AND THEY DON'T HAVE SOMEPLACE ELSE THAT'S DESIGNATED AS A SPOT FOR THEM TO USE.SO YOU'RE SAYING, UH, I THINK, I THINK HONESTLY YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH LESS KEEPING IT LOGISTICALLY YOU'LL HAVE LESS.
THAT'S WHY I'M OKAY WITH 50 BECAUSE IT'S JUST GONNA HAPPEN.
I'D AGREE WITH THAT TO AN EXTENT.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO ENVISION, WELL, WE SAY 50 PARKING SPACES, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 50 VENDORS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN AN AREA.
WHICH I THINK IS SAFER THAN A NUMBER OF VENDORS FOR ALL.
THE REASON, PART OF THE REASON I MADE THAT COMMENT ABOUT NOT HAVING A LAYOUT IS BECAUSE YOU, THERE ARE TOO MANY WHAT IFS.
LIKE I I REALIZE FROM THE CHURCH'S SIDE THAT THEY MAYBE ARE GONNA HAVE ONE PERSON THAT'S JUST GONNA COME UP AND HAVE A TABLE AND NO TENT, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE SOME FLEXIBILITY.
BUT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON HOW MANY VENDORS ARE ACTUALLY GONNA FIT WITH THOSE IN THOSE SPACES.
I ALSO ASKED, UM, THE APPLICANT ABOUT, UM, ELECTRIC SOURCES.
SO I KNOW WE HAVE A, UM, NOISE ORDINANCE IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN, AND I'M PRETTY SURE AN OUTDOOR GENERATOR IS GONNA VIOLATE THAT, BUT NONE, NONETHELESS, THERE WAS NO PROVISIONS NOTED ON HOW ELECTRIC MIGHT BE PROVIDED IF IT WAS NEEDED.
UM, GENERATORS ARE, ARE PRETTY NOISY.
SO IF SOMEBODY'S BRINGING A NOISE, A GENERATOR, I'M QUITE CERTAIN THEN RESIDENTS THAT LIVE NEXT TO IT WANT TO HEAR THAT.
JUST TO NOTE, BEING OUT THERE TODAY, MY OPINION WAS THAT THE MARKER, THE LINES ARE VERY THIN.
THEY WOULD NEED TO BE TO REMARKED, UM, OR REPAVED AND SO FORTH.
UH, THAT, THAT, AND THE AREA TO ME LOOKS MUCH SMALLER THAN WHAT IS PERCEIVED ON THE PICTURES.
MR. ALEXANDER, DID YOU, YOU HAD TO BE BROUGHT UP FOOD, CH FOOD TRUCKS.
DO YOU WANT TO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDED, OR IF WE SIMPLY ACKNOWLEDGE IN THE MINUTES THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT HAS AGREED THAT THERE WILL BE NO FOOD TRUCKS.
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE CHURCH'S WORD.
UH, BUT IF EVERYONE FEELS BETTER, IF IT'S IN, IN, IN THERE, THAT'S FINE.
WHAT, WHY DON'T, UH, SO I WROTE DOWN, AS YOU GUYS WERE ALL THROWING OUT THIS STUFF, IS COULD WE REQUIRE AN, AN OPERATIONS PLAN? LIKE HOW IS THIS, HOW WILL THE, HOW, WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR OPERATING THE FARMER'S MARKET TRAFFIC FLOW AND, YOU KNOW, COULD THERE BE A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A MORE SPECIFIC, WHAT SPECIFICALLY WOULD YOU BE LOOKING FOR IF THAT LANGUAGE WERE TO BE, BE INSTALLED? WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT TRASH COLLECTION AND, UH, TRAFFIC FLOW.
UM, SO YEAH, OTHER, WHAT? COME ON, HELP ME OUT.
OTHER THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, MAYBE NO USE OF GENERATOR, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE PART IN AN OPERATIONS PLAN.
I SIGNS THE SIGN IS ALREADY NO, WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING THE SIGNS, LIKE NO PARKING SIGNS THAT IT WOULD BE ON THE APPLICANT TO, UM, PUT AROUND IN CERTAIN AREAS.
IF, IF THE NEIGHBORS FELT THAT THEY NEEDED SIGNS OF NO PARKING, UH, THAT WOULD BE ONE OR A TEMPORARY FENCE WAS ALSO MENTIONED.
AND MR. BOGGS, I KNOW WE'VE HAD OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT, WHERE THERE WAS AN OPERATIONS PLAN THAT WAS PART OF THE APPROVAL, AS I REMEMBER.
AND I JUST WONDERED IF IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE WOULD HELP SO PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS GONNA FUNCTION SIMILAR TO THE SOCCER FIELD CONDITIONAL USE.
THAT'S, I THAT'S CERTAINLY, UM, SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION CAN CONSIDER IS FOR A, IN ADDITION TO THE SITE PLAN TO BE PUT FORWARD THAT THE OPERATIONS PLAN BE EITHER PUT FORWARD TO STAFF SUBJECTS TO STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL OR BROUGHT BACK IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION.
IF THIS APPLICATION WERE TABLED, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH GOING TO THE STAFF.
SAME WITH AN OPERATIONS? YEAH.
OR JUST LETTING THEM NO, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK DOCUMENT SOME DOCUMENTATION OKAY.
OF HOW IT'S GOING TO BE RUN AND THEN THAT'S AVAILABLE.
IT'S PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD TOO.
I HAD A GREAT STAFF REVIEW OF OPERATIONS PLAN.
SO ANYTHING ELSE? I WAS JUST MENTIONING, UH, THE NO PARKING SIGNS IF SOMEHOW THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED AS WELL AS, UM, SOMEONE WE ALSO WAS MENTIONED THIS EVENING ABOUT TEMPORARY FENCING, THE NEED FOR THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT WOULD BE PART OF AN OPERATIONS PLAN? I THINK WHAT IF THAT'S I YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK SO.
AND, AND MAYBE THAT YOU COULD JUST SAY AN OPERATIONS
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PLAN INCLUDING, UM, PROVISIONS FOR PARKING, FENCING, ET CETERA, SO THAT IT KIND OF GIVES SOME DIRECTION AS TO WHAT IS EXPECTED IN THAT PLAN.AND I WOULD THINK THAT SOME OF THE LANGUAGE ALREADY STATED HERE IS, WOULD BE FOLDED INTO THAT ALSO.
UM, I WAS ALSO WONDERING IF THE WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD BE, UM, IN WITH THAT AS WELL TOO.
THEY USUALLY ARE CONSULTED ABOUT THINGS AND IF THEY'RE, THEY COULD BE IN THIS MANUAL AS WELL TOO, AS SOMEONE, I DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW THAT IMPACTS OPERATE.
YEAH, SO TYPICALLY WHEN THE WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT IS INVOLVED IN AN APPLICATION, IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S, UM, LIKE A PERMANENT IMPROVEMENT TO THE LAND.
UM, SO IN BUILDING OR LAYING OUT A SITE ON A PERMANENT BASIS, UM, THIS KIND OF USE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REALLY HAS ANY RULE.
NO, NOT OVER SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THEY COULD BE CONSULTED BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE A SURPRISE IF WE WEREN'T ANTICIPATING THE TRAFFIC THAT MAY BE HAPPENING.
AND THEN THERE IS SOMEONE WHO NEEDS, UM, EMERGENCY CARE AND THEY CAN'T GET THROUGH AND THE SITE IS CURRENTLY DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT ALREADY.
SO, AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF MAKING SURE THAT ANY OF ALL THE DRIVE AISLES ARE CLEAR OF ANY PARKING CLEAR OF ANY SETUP.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY PART OF THE, UH, THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS IS THE SAFETY OF THE SITE AND SAFETY OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT.
ONE THING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD NOT WANT TO DO IS TREAT THIS USE DIFFERENT FOR THAT PURPOSE THAN LIKE A BUSY SERVICE OCCURRING AT THE CHURCH.
I'M SURE THAT THE CHURCH HAS DAYS WHEN THE PARKING LOT IS CROWDED THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR SPOTS.
UM, THE, THE CIRCUMSTANCE HERE MAY BE SIMILAR WITH A FARMER'S MARKET ON SOME NIGHTS, BUT IT'S ALREADY SORT OF PLANNED FOR IN THE OVERALL OPERATION OF THE SITE.
SO CAN WE ADD THE, A THE LOGISTICS PLAN IS NUMBER SEVEN.
I'VE BEEN NOTING SOME OF THE COMMENTS IF YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH 'EM.
SO THE TWO THINGS THAT I HAVE HEARD SO FAR, AND I CAN, I'M HAPPY TO ADD MORE TO THE, THE SECOND POINT IS THE NO FOOD TRUCK SHALL BE PERMITTED FOR THE EVENT.
AND THEN THE OPERATIONS PLAN THAT, OR THE LOGISTICS PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN BEEN TALKING ABOUT, THAT THEY OUTLINE WHAT EXACTLY THEY'RE DOING FOR THE EVENT.
SO I THOUGHT THAT, WELL, IT'S FINE FOR ME EITHER WAY.
I THOUGHT THAT WE'D AGREED THAT THE FOOD TRUCK LANGUAGE DIDN'T NEED TO BE REQUIRED SINCE IT WAS IN THE MINUTES.
I I IT'S PROBABLY SAFER IF WE PUT IT IN, PUT IT IN HERE.
AND THEN, UM, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ADD ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE OPERATIONS PLAN.
SO INCLUDING, UH, TRAFFIC FLOW, TRASH COLLECTION AND PARKING REGULATION, POTENTIAL FENCING, CROWD CONTROL, AND THEN TO EXAMINE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS WITH SWIM MEET CAPACITY.
I, THAT LAST ONE, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN CONTROL THAT ONE.
OR, OR IS THAT A COORDINATION THING? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THE, THE, THE SWIM EAT IS THE SWIM EAT.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONTROL, I WOULD SAY IS FOR, FOR ZONING, WE CANNOT CONTROL WHERE PEOPLE PARK.
UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADVISE AND WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY RECOMMEND THAT PEOPLE USE PUBLIC PARKING, UM, FOR THINGS LIKE THIS.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY PUT WITHIN.
SO TO CLARIFY, MY THOUGHT WAS THAT THIS WOULD BE WITH AN EYE TOWARDS CANCELING FOOD TRUCK EVENTS ON NIGHTS WHERE WE EXPECT VERY HEAVY CAPACITY FOR SWIM MEETS.
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THE JULY 13TH IS THE ONE THAT STICKS OUT.I DON'T, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE STAFF REVIEW THAT TO SEE IF IT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL PROBLEM.
BUT AGAIN, I SUGGEST THESE UNDER STAFF REVIEW OF AN OPERATIONS PLAN NOT AS CONDITIONS.
AND I, I BELIEVE THE TESTIMONY THAT I HEARD MADE TO THE COMMISSION WAS THAT THE ONLY TIME THAT THE CHURCH AUTHORIZES PEOPLE TO PARK IN THEIR LOT FOR THE SWIM MEETS IS FOR THAT JULY 13TH EVENT.
UM, SO, AND, AND IN THE CONDITIONS HERE FOR THE BALANCE OF THE TIME, UM, OR I GUESS ANY TIME THE FARMER'S MARKET IS OPERATING, THE BALANCE OF THIS, THE PARKING SPACES ON THE LOT NEED TO BE FOR CUSTOMER PARKING.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S KIND OF BUILT IN THERE THAT IF THEY ARE RESERVING THEIR PARKING LOT FOR 50 SPACES TO BE USED BY VENDORS AND THE BALANCE TO BE USED FOR FARMER'S MARKET PARTICIPANTS, THIS ADDRESSES THAT.
IF THEY ARE USING, IF THERE IS A DAY WHEN THEY ARE WANTING TO OPEN UP THEIR PARKING LOT FOR OTHERS SUCH AS A SWIM MEET, THEN THEY CAN'T HAVE A FARMER'S MARKET 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A HUNDRED SPACES AVAILABLE TO SUPPORT IT.
AND MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THEY'D MAKE THE DECISION TO OPEN THE FARMER'S MARKET, NOT SUPPORT THE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED AND NOW EXACERBATED BY THE FIRE FARMER'S MARKET.
SO AGAIN, I JUST SUGGEST THAT YOU REVIEW WHETHER THAT'S FEASIBLE ON THAT DATE.
AGAIN, THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY, SO IF THEY WANT TO REGULATE WHETHER THEY SUPPORT THE SWIM MEET OR NOT, THAT'S REALLY UP TO THE CHURCH.
AND, AND IT'S UP TO US WHETHER WE APPROVE THIS USAGE.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR ME.
UM, DID ANYONE THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO JUST ADD NO, NO GENERATORS? I MEAN, I, I REALIZE OUR NOISE ORDINANCE MIGHT, BUT I THINK IT MAKES IT CLEAR.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT BEING TOO RESTRICTIVE FOR SOME OF THE I THAT'S MY CONCERN TOO.
I I, I TOTALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE NOISE, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME REALLY COOL VENDOR THAT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS POWER AND HOW DO THEY GET POWER? SO, AND MAYBE THEY NEEDED TO BE SCREENED, I MEAN, SHIELDED APPROPRIATELY OR NO, THAT'S GETTING REALLY SPECIFIC
SO IF THE GENERATOR DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE NOISE ORDINANCE COULD ADDRESS IF YEAH.
RATHER THAN PROHIBITING ALL ELECTRIC GENERATORS.
OR IT COULD BE GENERATORS LOCATED A CERTAIN DISTANCE AWAY FROM, AND PERHAPS YEAH.
THAT A SPATIAL REQUIREMENT MIGHT PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSURANCE FOR THAT NOISE LEVEL.
GOOD LUCK IDENTIFYING THAT DISTANCE.
I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT UP TO, IT SEEMS A LITTLE REDUNDANT.
I WOULD THE SAME THING MYSELF.
I WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO THE ORDINANCE, BUT I, BUT SOMETHING I DON'T THINK, UH, BANNING THEM IS THE RIGHT APPROACH.
I THINK WE NEED TO SOMEHOW JUST, WE'RE EVERY INFLATABLE AS A GENERATOR RAISE NOISE.
AND HOW MANY CHURCHES HAVE EVENTS WITH INFLATABLES AND CARNIVALS AND ALL THESE THINGS? SO I, I DON'T SEE HOW I COULD BE HONEST WITH YOU.
OUR POWER WAS OUT FOR ABOUT 24 HOURS, UM, A FEW MONTHS AGO.
WE HAD NEIGHBORS, ONE SPECIFICALLY ACROSS THE STREET RUNNING A GENERATOR.
I COULD HEAR IT INSIDE MY HOUSE.
HE MAY HAVE BEEN VIOLATING THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
PARDON ME? HE MAY HAVE BEEN VIOLATING THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
BUT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK HER JOB UP HERE IS TO DO THE BEST TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY.
SO IT'S MY SUGGESTION, UM, I'M STILL A NO VOTE.
I DON'T THINK IT, THIS APPLICATION MET CRITERIA ONE OR CRITERIA TWO, BUT WE ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE SOMETIMES.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME, UM, WHO THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME, UH, AND TO PARTICIPATE PROBABLY DON'T NEED A GENERATOR.
AND TO KEEP IT SIMPLE, IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO'S COMING FROM A FARM IN, THEY DON'T NEED A GENERATOR, BAKED GOODS, THINGS OF THAT SORT.
SO, UM, THE IDEA OF NOT HAVING A GENERATOR MAY BE A NICE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON THAT AS WELL TOO.
AND NOT HAVING, UH, THE GENERATORS.
THEY ARE, IT IS QUITE CLOSE WHEN YOU WALK THERE, IT'S A LITTLE HILL AND THEN YOU'RE DOWN, AND THEN IT'S A NICE, UH, PATH.
AND THEN IT'S A BACKYARDS OF HOMES.
CAN WE ADD THE GENERATORS TO THE OPERATION PLAN? YOU KNOW, LOCATE GENERATORS TO REDUCE NOISE IMPACT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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HOW ABOUT MAYBE NOISE IMPACT IN GENERAL? I MEAN, DID YOU, I MEAN, GENERATORS ARE GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE YEAH.I, I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST ADDING SOMETHING JUST GENERICALLY ABOUT GENERATORS TO THE OPERATIONS PLAN, BECAUSE IT BEGS THE QUESTION OF WHAT RUBRIC IS STAFF SUPPOSED TO BE USING? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MODEL OF GENERATOR MAY OR MAY NOT BE USED.
SO DO WE HAVE OUR LIST OF ADDITIONAL ITEMS? I KNOW WE'RE NOT ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS, SO OF THE THREE OF US THAT LEANING, WE'RE OKAY, DAN.
SO SHALL WE GO PROCEED WITH A, UM, MOTION, UM, A RECOMMENDATION THAT PLANNING STAFF, UH, WAIT A MINUTE.
LEMME GET BACK TO MY, YEAH, THIS WOULD BE A DECISION BY THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS ON THE SCREEN.
SO A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH TEXT MODIFICATION WITH A CONDITION THAT TEXT MODIFICATION INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE.
MR. WAGS, DO I NEED TO READ THESE INTO THE RECORD OR JUST NOTE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REFLECTED ON THE SCREEN AND THEY WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE RECORD? YEP.
SO THAT'S THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE.
AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY, I DON'T BELIEVE IT MET WITH CRITERIA ONE OR CRITERIA TWO.
THANK YOU ALL, UH, COMING OUT TONIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO NOW MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE, UNLESS ANYBODY NEEDS A BREAK OR WE CAN KEEP MOVING.
[Case #25-119FDP ]
25 DASH 1 1 9 FDP, THE BEACON RETIREMENT COMMUNITY PHASE ONE, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PHASE ONE OF THE BEACON CONTINUUM OF CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY, INCLUDING SITE IMPROVEMENTS, A WATER METER BUILDING, AND A FOUR STORY BUILDING CONTAINING 141 INDEPENDENT AND ASSISTED LIVING UNITS WITH UNDERGROUND PARKING.THE 21.523 ACRE SITE IS ZONED PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, PUD BEACON, CCRC, AND IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST OF THE ROUNDABOUT AT BRIGHT ROAD AND EMERALD PARKWAY.
I'D NOW LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION.
MY NAME IS, COULD YOU TURN ON YOUR MIC PLEASE? THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS STEVE NEWCOMB, UH, 1 0 3 6 8 FOREST GLEN PLACE, POWELL, OHIO.
UM, I'M THE DEVELOPER, AND SO I THINK BASSAM IS GONNA HAVE HIS OWN PRESENTATION.
SO I PUT TOGETHER A SHORT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION JUST TO KIND OF GIVE HIGHLIGHTS, KIND OF TO REVIEW, UM, A REFRESHER OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS.
SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THIS REAL QUICKLY.
SO THESE ARE JUST, UM, DIFFERENT SHOTS FROM AROUND THE SITE.
THAT'S OBVIOUSLY FROM THE ROUNDABOUT.
AND SO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS PHASE ONE BACK IN THE BACK.
UM, IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GONE BACK AND FORTH OVER THE YEARS, BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE PLANNING ON HAVING ITS ASSISTED LIVING, UM, ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND FIRST FLOOR IS MOSTLY AMENITY SPACE, AND IT'S INDEPENDENT LIVING AND, AND AGAIN, INDEPENDENT LIVING ON THE THIRD AND FOURTH FLOOR.
AND THERE'S, RIGHT NOW THERE'S 99 INDEPENDENT LIVING AND 42, UH, ASSISTED LIVING.
UM, THE OTHER PHASES, UH, PHASE TWO WILL BE MEMORY CARE.
AND THE HOPE, THE, THE REASON THAT, UM, I'M DOING THAT IS PHASE TWO IS CONTINUE OF CARE IS, IS REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, FOR SENIOR HOUSING.
AND SO BY THE TIME TIME I GET DONE WITH PHASE ONE, I COULD DO PHASE TWO.
IT'S A MUCH SMALLER BUILDING, AND I WOULD HAVE CONTINUUM OF CARE, WHICH WOULD BE INDEPENDENT LIVING, ASSISTED LIVING, AND MEMORY CARE.
UM, THEN WE'D MOVE ON TO PHASE THREE AND FOUR, AND THOSE WILL BE INDEPENDENT LIVING AND ASSISTED LIVING UNITS AS WELL.
UM, AGAIN, I, EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THIS, BUT JUST KIND OF REFRESH WHERE THIS IS SELMA.
WE'LL TALK, THAT'S THE WATER, WATER METER BUILDING RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN WE HAVE A, UM, A SIGN THAT
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I THINK BASS'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT.AGAIN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE IDEA IS TO HAVE LARGE BALCONIES.
UM, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE FOURTH FLOOR, WE DO HAVE SOME, UM, UNITS THAT POP UP, AND THAT'S JUST TO GIVE RELIEF.
IT'S ALSO TO GIVE 12 FOOT CEILINGS.
SO THE FIRST FLOOR IS 10 FOOT, NINE FOOT, NINE FOOT, AND THEN 10 FOOT FOR MOST OF THE UNITS.
AND THEN, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, UNITS IN THE CORNERS ARE BUMPED UP TO 12 FEET.
UM, JUST SHOT OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING THAT IS THE GREENHOUSE THAT WE'RE, UM, PLANNING ON DOING.
THIS DISH GOES TO SHOW YOU THAT THE, THE SITE FALLS.
SO IF YOU KIND OF THINK OF THE, UM, THE FRONT DOOR AS BEING ZERO, BY THE TIME YOU GET AROUND YOU, YOU GO TO THE BACK, IT, IT ACTUALLY FALLS 10 FEET.
AND THIS IS THE, UM, ENTRANCE INTO THE PARKING GARAGE THAT'S RIGHT ALONG THE CREEK.
AND THEN, UM, THAT WILL ALSO BE A WALKING PATH PEOPLE WILL USE FOR A WALKING PATH BEHIND THE BUILDING.
IT'S, IT'S THE EMERGENCY FIRE ACCESS ROAD AS WELL.
AND THERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE BACK.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S STEPPING DOWN.
YOU CAN KINDA SEE THE RETAINING WALL WITH A STONE AND IT'S STEPS DOWN TO, TO, UM, THE ROAD.
THEN IT GETS STEPS DOWN TO THE CREEK.
THIS IS JUST THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO KEEP PEOPLE ACTIVE AND SOCIAL.
AND SO WE'RE PROVIDING A LOT OF THOSE ACTIVITIES.
AGAIN, OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
UM, THIS IS THE PHASE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IT'S PHASE ONE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE WATER METER BUILDING OUT FRONT, UNDERGROUND PARKING, WHICH I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING, UH, AS AN INDOOR POOL ON THAT LEVEL.
BUT, UM, THIS IS THE ACTIVITY SPACE.
WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT SOME OF THE DETAILS WITH THIS, BUT, UM, THE ACTIVITY SPACE IS BASICALLY IN YELLOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST KIND OF DIVIDING UP THE SPACES AND FINDING WHAT, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR EACH AREA, THE SAMPLES, WHICH IS I THINK PROBABLY THE MAIN REASON THAT I'M HERE.
SO I BROUGHT SAMPLES, BUT, UM, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU GUYS WANNA LOOK AT THE BRICK, BUT WE, UM, THAT'S THE BRICK IS HERE.
THIS IS, THESE ARE THE COLORS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE RAILINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE WINDOWS WE BROUGHT THOSE, IF YOU WANNA SEE THOSE.
UM, THIS, I THINK BRICK IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS.
AND SO THIS IS A PROJECT THAT I'VE DONE BEFORE, AND THIS WAS, THIS IS DOWN IN THE BREWERY DISTRICT, SOUTHERN TIER.
AND SO THESE ARE THE MATERIALS THAT, UM, A LOT OF OUR PROJECT IS USING.
I MEAN, THERE'S A REDDISH, UH, REDDISH BROWN, AND THERE'S JUST A BROWN.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE SYNTHETIC BANDS, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I'M SURE, UM, BASSON WILL SHOW YOU THESE, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BREAK UP.
UM, THEY'RE PRETTY LARGE BUILDINGS AND GIVE SOME INTEREST.
SO THIS IS THE PRODUCT THAT WE'VE USED BEFORE.
THE CHISELED STONE IS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, SO A COUPLE THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED.
SO THERE'S, THERE IS, I'M ASKING FOR A SETBACK MODIFICATION.
SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, WE HAVE NOT MOVED THE ROAD, IT'S JUST THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT DID NOT MATCH WHAT WAS, UM, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PLAN HAD.
AND SO I, THE STAR AT THE BOTTOM KINDA SHOWS YOU WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THERE'S A LARGE, UM, SAND OF TREES RIGHT THERE.
IT WAS JUST, IT WAS 10 FEET OFF.
AND SO, UM, THE LEFT IS WHAT, UH, THE PRELIMINARY, UM, PLAN WAS.
BUT AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T MOVED THE ROAD.
IT'S JUST THE SETBACK IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT WAS WRONG.
SO IT, IT SAYS A HUNDRED FEET AND WE WERE, IT LOOKS IT'S 90.
SO, AND THEN THE ONLY MAJOR THING I THINK THAT CHANGED IS THE ENTRANCE.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE, UM, LEFT IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
AND SO, UM, THERE WAS A CONDITION TO TRY AND MEANDER THE ENTRY, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE, COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE UNIQUE.
AND SO BASICALLY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH.
FRANKLY, DUBLIN CAME UP WITH IT.
AND SO, UM, I THINK IT WORKED OUT WELL.
AND SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING SENIORS DRIVE THROUGH THERE, BUT THAT THIS WAS A GOOD, THIS WAS A GOOD SOLUTION.
SO, UM, WE CHANGED IT TO THAT.
SO I'M HERE, MY ARCHITECT IS HERE, CIVIL ENGINEER, LAND PLANNER, UM, ARCHITECT.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET US KNOW.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I THINK I'M THE ONLY COMMISSIONER THAT HAS BEEN HERE SINCE THE BEGINNING, 2020, A LONG ROAD
SO, UM, IT HAS BEEN A LONG ROAD.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, UH, BASSAM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
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I WASN'T HERE EITHER IN 2020, SO I INHERITED THAT PROJECT.ACTUALLY IT STARTED IN, EXCUSE ME, IN 2019 AND FIRST CAME TO THE COMMISSION IN 2020.
UM, BUT BASICALLY WE ARE AT THE FINAL STEP IN THE PROCESS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PHASE.
SO, AS YOU KNOW, WITH THE PLANNED DISTRICT, WE GO THROUGH CONCEPT PLAN REVIEWS, THEN PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING, WHICH ALSO REQUIRES COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
AND AT THIS STAGE, UH, THE CRITERIA ARE TO ESTABLISH WHETHER WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND ANY FINAL DETAILS THAT, UH, ARE PROVIDED.
SO YOU ARE ASKED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION TONIGHT ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS PHASE.
THE SITE WAS REZONED LAST YEAR BY CITY COUNCIL TO ITS OWN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, WHICH WAS, UH, INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE THIS PARTICULAR USE BASED ON THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THAT TIME.
UH, WANTED TO JUST, UH, REMIND, UM, SOME OF YOU, ESPECIALLY ONES WHO WERE NOT ON THE, UH, COMMISSION LAST YEAR.
UH, THIS IS WITHIN, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, FUTURE LAND USE AREA, WHICH, UH, AS THE NAME IMPLIES, IT'S INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE SMALLER OFFICE BUILDINGS, BUT ALSO AS A SECONDARY USE.
IT ALLOWS ASSISTED LIVING AND, AND SIMILAR USES.
IT SETS CERTAIN STANDARDS FOR DENSITY AND WALKABILITY AND, AND OTHER THINGS.
AND THOSE WERE ALL TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN LEVEL.
AND WE'LL TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THOSE AS, UH, I GO THROUGH THE SITE DETAILS, THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE WHERE YOU SEE THE, UH, GREEN AREA THAT'S WITHIN THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT IS INTENDED TO BE RESERVED AGAIN, AS THE NAME IMPLIES, FOR, UH, THOSE USES.
SO, UH, PART OF THE DISCUSSION LAST YEAR WAS THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE DEVELOPMENT IN HERE OTHER THAN POTENTIAL WALKWAYS AND, UM, AND ACCESS, BUT NO MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS.
SO THE EMERALD CORRIDOR SPECIAL AREA PLAN, UH, ALSO APPLIES TO THIS SITE, AND THE SPECIFIC PORTION OF THAT CORRIDOR HIGHLIGHTS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE WOODS AT THE EMERALD FRONTAGE AND ALONG BILLING STREET CREEK.
SO AGAIN, THOSE WERE ALL INTENDED TO BE PROTECTED BASED ON THE WAY THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT TEXT WAS WRITTEN.
SO IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL PROCESS, UM, THE APPLICATION WENT THROUGH SEPARATE, UH, THREE SEPARATE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEWS STARTING IN 2020 AND THEN THROUGH 2021 AND 2022.
AND AS YOU SEE ON THE UPPER LEFT HAND SIDE, THE INITIAL INTENT WAS, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE.
I THINK THE SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS WAS A LITTLE LARGER, AND IT DID INCLUDE SOME OF THE FRONTAGE ON EMERALD PARKWAY AS IT EVOLVED.
UH, AND I THINK AT ALL STAGES, THE COMMISSION EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THE GENERAL USE AND MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE, UH, HEALTH AND WELLNESS AREA THAT WAS DEVELOPING IN, IN THAT, UH, LOCATION WITH, UH, PLANET FITNESS TO THE NORTH.
THE HOSTEL WAS IN THE DISCUSSION STAGES AT THE TIME IT EVENTUALLY GOT BUILT.
SO THERE WAS SOME ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE SYNERGY OF USES.
UH, BUT AS IT PROGRESSED THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, THE, SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DENSITY AND WHERE EXACTLY THE BUILDINGS WERE GONNA BE LOCATED WITH THE LARGER BUILDINGS BEING AS FAR AWAY FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AS POSSIBLE WITH THE PROTECTION OF SOME OF THE, UH, EXISTING WOODED AREAS, AND ALSO THE SCALE RELATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE SITE TO THE EAST, UH, BY 2022, THE GENERAL APPROACH WAS, UH, AGREED UPON.
THERE WERE SOME DETAILS THAT WERE TO BE REFINED, AND THAT GOT US TO THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AND, AND RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION LAST YEAR.
SO AGAIN, JUST AS A REMINDER, IT DOES INCLUDE THREE BUILDINGS AT THE NORTH, UH, PORTION OF THE SITE.
UH, EACH ONE OF THOSE IS, UH, FOUR STORIES WITH UNDERGROUND PARKING.
UH, PHASE ONE THAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE, UH, WOULD EVENTUALLY BE CONNECTED TO, UH, PHASE FOUR, INCLUDING THE UNDERGROUND PARKING.
SO IT'S DESIGNED SO THAT THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO FLOW THROUGH BOTH BUILDINGS.
UH, THERE WOULD BE SOME SURFACE PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, SITE, BUT MOST OF THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING WOULD ACTUALLY BE UNDERGROUND PHASE TWO THAT MR. UH, NEWCOMB MENTIONED IS THE MEMORY CARE BUILDING.
AND THAT IS INTENDED TO BE A ONE STORY BUILDING WITH A PITCH THROUGH,
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UH, AGAIN TO BLEND BETTER WITH THE FRONTAGE ALONG BRIGHT ROAD.AND THEN THERE ARE TWO ACCESS POINTS.
THE PRIMARY ONE IS OFF OF BRIGHT ROAD.
THAT CURB CUT WAS INSTALLED AS PART OF THE PUBLIC STREET IMPROVEMENTS WHERE THE ROAD WAS WIDENED LAST YEAR.
AND THE SECONDARY ACCESS IS A SHARED DRIVE WITH THE OFFICE PARKED TO THE SOUTH.
AND, UM, THAT, UH, WAS PART OF SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY OF COLUMBUS AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY HAVE JURISDICTION OVER SAW MILL ROAD.
SO AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, THAT WAS DONE.
AND BASED ON THAT TRAFFIC STUDY AT FULL, UH, BUILD OUT, THE STUDY DETERMINED THAT THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR A SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE OFF OF SUMMER ROAD.
UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT WHETHER THAT MIGHT BE CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE GOING DOWN TO BRIGHT ROAD AND WHETHER THEY MIGHT THINK THAT THAT BRIGHT TURN LANE IS FOR BRIGHT ROAD.
SO THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN, UH, THE AGENCIES AT COLUMBUS AND, AND DUBLIN, AND THAT TRANSLATED INTO A DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE AGREEMENT THAT WAS, UH, ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL, WAS THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT LANE WOULD BE DEDICATED AT THIS POINT, WHICH, UH, IS, IT'S GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW, BUT THE ACTUAL BUILD OUT WOULD BE REEVALUATED AT SUCH TIME THAT EITHER BUILDING THREE IS GOING THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS OR IF THEY REACH 300 UNITS, WHICHEVER IS, UH, UM, FIRST.
SO THAT ONE MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE AT A LOT FOR THAT TO BE DISCUSSED.
UM, AS MR. NEWCOMB MENTIONED, THERE IS A, AN ACCESS DRIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THE UNITS IN THE BACK.
AND, UH, THAT WHEN IT'S NOT USED FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES IS INTENDED TO BE USED FOR PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE TRAFFIC.
SO WE'LL TOUCH ON THAT IN A, IN A MINUTE HERE AS WELL.
AND SO THERE WERE EIGHT RE UH, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WHEN, UH, THIS WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, I WILL TOUCH ON THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE DARKER COLOR HERE BECAUSE THOSE ARE STILL RELEVANT, BUT WANTED TO MENTION THE ONE THAT ARE GRADE OUT, UM, FOR A MINUTE HERE BECAUSE THOSE WERE RESOLVED, UH, BY THE TIME WE WENT TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO ONE OF 'EM WAS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE APPLICANT TO, UH, AMEND THEIR TEXT TO RESTRICT ANY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN SUB AREA B, WHICH IS THE WOODED AREA AGAIN, UH, EXCEPT FOR WALKWAYS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WAS ACCOMMODATED IN THE TEXT.
MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC COMPLETION AND THE, UH, APPLICANT'S OBLIGATIONS FOR THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THE COST OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS ON THE SITE BASED ON THE TRAFFIC GENERATION.
THAT WAS ADDRESSED THROUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE AGREEMENT.
UM, AND THEN WITH THE SHARED PATH, AS I MENTIONED THAT THE EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVE, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
UM, BUT THERE WAS A CONDITION TO ALSO INCLUDE, UH, MEANDERING SHARED USE PATH ALONG THE SO ROAD FURNISH TO MATCH WHAT HAPPENS TO THE NORTH.
AND BEFORE WE GOT TO COUNCIL, THE, UH, CONTRACTOR THAT WAS WORKING ON THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT INSTALLED A PATH.
UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT MEANDERING, BUT IT'S, IT'S THERE AND DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO, UM, REPLACE THAT.
SO SHORTLY AFTER IT WAS BUILT, SO THAT WENT AWAY.
AND THEN THE LAST CONDITION, AND AGAIN, MR. NEWCOMB MENTIONED IT IN TERMS OF SETBACKS.
UH, ORIGINAL TEXT PROPOSED 50 FOOT SETBACKS FROM EMERALD PARKWAY.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE THOROUGHFARE SECTION OF THAT PLAN TALK ABOUT A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK FROM EMERALD.
SO THE TEXTS GOT AMENDED TO, UH, EXPAND THAT SETBACK TO A HUNDRED FEET.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW THAT IMPACTED THE AREA THAT MR. NEWCOMB MENTIONED.
SO WHEN IT WENT TO COUNCIL, THERE WERE ACTUALLY THREE DIFFERENT ORDINANCES.
UH, COUNCIL APPROVED THE REZONING OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT AND LAND EXCHANGE AGREEMENT BECAUSE THE CITY ACTUALLY OWNED SOME OF THOSE PARCELS AND THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT TO, UM, TRANSFERRED THOSE TO THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AGREEMENT THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
SO THE REMAINING CONDITIONS THAT THAT CONTINUE TO THIS STAGE ARE THE ONSITE ALIGNMENT OF THE ENTRY DRIVE.
UH, MR. NEWCOMB TOUCHED ON THAT, UH, THERE WAS A LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT CONFLICTS WITH PHASE FOUR, THE, UH, AUTO COURT IN FRONT OF PHASE FOUR, AND THEN ALSO THE VIEW CORRIDOR THAT
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YOU GET AS YOU ENTER THE SITE.SO THAT WAS A CONDITION TO CONSIDER HOW THAT MIGHT LOOK, UM, THAT SEPARATED PATHS BE PROVIDED ALONG THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE DRIVE.
SO I WILL, UH, HIGHLIGHT THIS ON THIS SLIDE BECAUSE THE ENTRY TO THE UNDERGROUND PARKING ALSO UTILIZES THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVE THE CONDITION LAST YEAR THAT FOR THE STRETCHES WHERE PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC ARE MIXING, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF A PHYSICAL SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO THE PEDESTRIANS HAVE SAFE ACCESS.
SO WITH THE CURRENT APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING A PLANTER, UM, AT THE NORTH SIDE OF THE VEHICULAR DRIVE WITH THE WALKWAY NORTH OF IT, AND THEN THE REST OF IT WOULD BE STRIPED.
SO THIS WOULD BE FINALIZED EVENTUALLY WHEN PHASE THREE IS BUILT SO THAT IT WOULD CONTINUE AND CONNECT TO THE COURTYARD ON THE NORTH SIDE OF, UH, BUILDING THREE.
THE CONDITION THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING FOR THIS APPLICATION IS THAT ONCE YOU GET PAST THAT AND YOU'RE ABLE TO ENTER, UH, TO PREVENT VEHICLES OTHER THAN EMERGENCY VEHICLES FROM USING THAT DRIVE, WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT THEY ADD, UH, REMOVABLE OR, OR, UH, COLLAPSIBLE BALLARDS TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THERE.
UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GENERALLY OKAY WITH THE IDEA.
THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO SEE THE DETAILS, SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING WHERE YOU SEE THE RED DOT THAT THAT GETS ADDED.
SO IT WOULD BE ON THIS SITE FOR PHASE ONE EVENTUALLY THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE AT PHASE FOUR THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT.
THE DRIVE, AS MR. NEWCOMB MENTIONED NOW INCLUDES A CIRCLE THAT TRIES TO ORGANIZE SOME OF THESE, UH, VARIOUS ACCESS POINTS, UH, BUT ALSO ALLOW FOR SOME LANDSCAPING TO ACT AS THE FOCAL POINT AS YOU ENTER THE SITE.
SO WE THINK THAT HELPS MAKE IT FEEL A LITTLE MORE LIKE AN ENTRY FEATURE RATHER THAN A PARKING LOT DRIVE.
AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS CHANGE.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE SETBACK, IT'S REALLY SIMPLY THIS, UH, TRAFFIC CIRCLE AT THE WESTERN END, AND THIS IS PART OF THE FUTURE.
UM, THE, UH, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS TO MAYBE REALIGN THAT CIRCLE SO THAT IT COULD STAY OUT OF THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK, BUT BECAUSE OF THE GRADES AND TREES AND OTHER THINGS WHERE IT'S SHOWN MADE THE MOST SENSE, UH, WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT TAX MODIFICATION TO ALLOW A 90 FOOT SETBACK WOULD BE ONLY LIMITED TO THAT AREA.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON ORANGE ON THE GRAPHIC TO THE RIGHT.
AND I WOULD POINT OUT HERE THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONLY A 90 FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT RIGHT OF WAY LINE WIDENS QUITE A BIT TO THE SOUTH.
SO IT'S MUCH FURTHER AWAY FROM THE REST OF THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE IF YOU LOOK NORTH AND, AND THERE ARE SOME HEAVY WOODS IN THAT AREA THAT, UH, HELP, UH, SEPARATE THAT.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT MINOR TAX MODIFICATION.
SO WITH PHASE ONE, UH, ITSELF, THIS WOULD INCLUDE BUILDING ONE AS WELL AS THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO ALL THE ACCESS DRIVES EXCEPT FOR THE LAST SECTION THAT WOULD SERVE BUILDING FOUR, UM, ALL OF THE UTILITIES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, UH, THERE WOULD BE A COUPLE OF PONDS AT DIFFERENT LEVELS THAT WOULD HAVE STONE WALLS AND OTHER FEATURES TO ADD CHARACTER, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPING AND MOUNTING WOULD BE INSTALLED AT THIS STAGE ALONG THE ROADWAY FRONTAGES.
AND BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE ONE TO THE SOUTH, UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF WOULD, UH, BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS PROPOSED AT THE, UH, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND, UH, THEN THE WATER METER BUILDING THAT MR. NEWCOMB MENTIONED WOULD ALSO BE CONSTRUCTED NEAR THE ENTRANCE.
UH, THIS ONE WOULD MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT ALONG BRIGHT ROAD.
UH, ALL OTHER SETBACKS ARE ALSO MET AND, UH, WE'RE TALKING IN A SECOND ABOUT THE PROJECT IDENTIFICATION SIGNS.
LISTEN, YOU CAN TOUCH ON THE AMENITIES.
THERE WOULD BE A BUNCH OF INDOOR AND OUTDOOR AMENITIES, SO I CAN GET BACK TO THAT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT THE GRAPHIC ON THE LOWER LEFT SHOWS THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVE THAT WOULD DOUBLE AS A WALKWAY FOR SIMPL SIMPL SIMPLICITY SAKE HERE, THEY, UH, THEY TURNED OFF THE TREES, BUT THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF THE EXISTING TREES WOULD REMAIN.
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SO THE CHARACTER WOULD BE A LOT MORE INTIMATE THAN IT APPEARS IN THIS IMAGE.AND THERE WOULD BE WOODS WITH THE, WITH BILLINGS CREEK JUST TO THE NORTH, THE, UH, PARKING WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, THERE WOULD BE 196 TOTAL.
UH, AS PART OF THE TEXT, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXTS, UH, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 10 BICYCLE PARKING SPACES, AND THAT SHOULD BE WITHIN A REASONABLE DISTANCE OF THE FRONT DOOR.
SO THEY ARE INCLUDING THEM AT THE FRONTAGE HERE AND THE COURTYARD IN FRONT OF THE, UH, MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING.
UH, TAX ALSO REQUIRES TWO ELECTRIC VEHICLE, UH, PARKING STATIONS, WHICH ARE SHOWN ALSO OPPOSITE FROM THAT AREA.
SO THEY MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
UM, AND ALL THE MEASUREMENTS FOR WALKWAYS AND DRIVES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, PRE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
ONE THING I SHOULD MENTION WITHIN SUB AREA B IS THERE WOULD BE SOME, UH, FILL IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, AS PART OF THE EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVE, THEY HAVE TO CUT A LITTLE BIT INTO THE, UH, FLOOD PLAIN ALONG THE CREEK, AND THEY HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT, TO, UH, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, FEMA REQUIREMENTS THERE.
AND SO THAT WOULD, WAS ALSO PERMITTED AS PART OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE TAX, AND THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH THAT.
THE LANDSCAPING, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL SHEETS IN YOUR, UH, PACKET.
SO I JUST INCLUDED THE OVERALL CHARACTER BY AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, THIS IS, THAT TRAFFIC CIRCLE WOULD HAVE A TREE IN THE MIDDLE AND, AND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE MATERIAL MATERIALS AROUND IT.
THE WATER METER BUILDING WOULD ALSO BE HEAVILY LANDSCAPED AND WITH A WALKWAY LEADING TO IT.
UM, TREE PRESERVATION PER THE APPROVED PLAN.
ALSO, ALL THE TREES IN THE NORTHWEST AREA OF THE SITE, EVERYTHING ALONG THE CREEK, THE MAJORITY OF THE TREES ALONG THE EMERALD PARKWAY FRONTAGE AND SOME TREES THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY, UH, LIKELY TO BE REMOVED AS PART OF PHASE TWO, UH, WOULD BE RETAINED AT THIS TIME.
BUILDING ITSELF, UH, MR. NEWCOMB MENTIONED THE TWO, UH, COLORS OF BRICK.
THERE'S ALSO SOME STONE THAT WOULD BE USED AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND, AND SEVERAL ACCESS, UH, UH, ACCENT BANDS THAT ARE A LITTLE HARD TO SEE AT THIS SCALE.
AND THEN THERE ARE SECONDARY MATERIAL, SECONDARY MATERIALS, WHICH ARE FIBER CEMENT BOARDS IN THREE DIFFERENT COLORS.
THE TEXT REQUIRES 80% PRIMARY MATERIAL.
UM, AND THAT DOES INCLUDE THE WINDOWS GRASS INCLUDED, SO BRICKSTONE AND GLASS, UH, COUNTS.
SO THEY WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE DISTRIBUTION OF MATERIALS IN HERE ON THE EAST, WEST AND NORTH ELEVATIONS.
THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT SHY OF THAT.
YOU CAN SEE 71%, 70%, AND 75%.
BUT STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE MINOR DEPARTURES GIVEN THE INTENT FOR THIS LARGE BUILDING TO BE BROKEN UP INTO, UH, A VARIETY OF MASSES AND THE WAY THEY'RE TREATED.
AS, FOR THE MOST PART, BRICK IS AT THE LOWER LEVELS AND, UM, MOST OF THE SECONDARY MATERIAL IS AT UPPER LEVELS.
THE WATER METER BUILDING IS, UH, ABOUT 15 FEET TALL, WHICH IS WELL WITHIN THE HEIGHT LIMIT OF 25.
BY THE WAY, THE MAIN BUILDINGS ALSO MEET THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
UH, IT'S DESIGNED WITH LOUVERS THAT ARE TREATED SIMILAR TO WINDOWS.
THEY WOULD BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE TRIM ON THE PRINCIPAL BUILDINGS, AND THEN THE SAME BRICK AND STONE WOULD ALSO BE USED, UH, FOR THIS BUILDING, AND IT WOULD COMPLIMENT THE FUTURE MEMORY CARE BUILDING.
IN TERMS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE SCALE, UM, SIGNAGE IS ONE, AND, AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WAS REMAINING FOR THE MAIN BUILDINGS WAS WHERE THE VERTICAL TRANSITIONS BETWEEN DIFFERENT MATERIALS NEEDED TO HAPPEN AT INSIDE CORNERS SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A SUDDEN CHANGE IN MATERIAL IN THE SAME PLANE.
AND THEY'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT.
SO WANTED TO MENTION THAT THAT CONDITION WAS ADDRESSED.
SIGNAGE WAS IN, IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.
IT SIMPLY SAID AT THE TIME THAT A MASTER PSYCH PLAN WOULD BE PRESENTED AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.
SINCE THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IS BEING DONE BY THE SAME DEVELOPER, IT MADE MORE SENSE TO HAVE THAT BE PART OF THE TEXT RATHER THAN A SEPARATE DOCUMENT.
SO THE SECOND TEXT MODIFICATION THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS TO, I, UH, ADD SIGN STANDARDS TO THAT TEXT.
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WITH THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TWO PROJECT IDENTIFICATION SIGNS, ONE AT EACH ENTRY TO THE SITE, AND THEN ONE ADDITIONAL SIGN THAT WOULD BE, THOSE WOULD BE TWO SIDED SIGNS, THEN ONE ADDITIONAL, ONE SIDED SIGN AS WE COME IN OFF OF THAT SHARED ACCESS DRIVE OFF OF.SO THE ROAD SO THAT THERE IS SOME BETTER DIRECTION.
UM, BETWEEN THAT AND THE, AND THE OFFICE PARK, THESE SIGNS ARE RELATIVELY SMALL.
TECHNICALLY THEY EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS OF CODE JUST BECAUSE THE WAY THE CODE IS WORDED RIGHT NOW IS THAT IF YOU HAVE TWO SIGNS, YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED ONE AND A THIRD.
THE SIZE OF ONE AND ONE A THIRD, THE HEIGHT OF ONE.
SO BASICALLY YOU TAKE ONE AND A THIRD DIVIDED BY TWO, AND YOU GET PENALIZED FOR HAVING AN ADDITIONAL SIGN.
IN THIS CASE, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO SIGNS IS SO GREAT WITH AN OFFICE COMPLEX.
IN BETWEEN THAT AND, AND EVEN AT ABOUT 16 SQUARE FEET, THEY'RE STILL SMALLER THAN WHAT SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL USES ALONG THE SAW OR BRIGHT ROAD FRONTAGE WOULD BE PERMITTED TO HAVE.
SO WE FEEL THAT THE SIGNS ARE APPROPRIATE.
THEY WOULD BE, THE ONES AT THE ENTRY WOULD BE, UM, UH, BUILT ON TOP OF A PLANTER BED WITH MATERIALS SIMILAR TO THE BUILDING AND WOULD HAVE PLANTINGS ON WITHIN THE, THE PLANTER AND AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PLANT PLANTER AS WELL.
THE TEXT ALSO ACKNOWLEDGES SIGNS THAT ARE, UH, INSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, NOT NECESSARILY MEANT TO BE SEEN FROM OUTSIDE, LIKE THE CANOPY SIGNS OF THE BUILDING ENTRY.
THEY, THEY ACCOMMODATE SOME LANGUAGE THERE, SOME DIRECTIONAL SIGNS AND SOME TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, THOSE ONES WOULD BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL, UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT INTENDED TO BE VISIBLE FROM OUTSIDE THE SITE.
SO IN OVERALL, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED, UH, LANGUAGE ABOUT SIGNAGE AND THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE ITSELF.
AND FINALLY, LIGHTING IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THE TEXT.
AND THEY PROVIDED THE MEASUREMENTS OF THE PROPERTY LINES.
SO WE FEEL THAT THEY DO MEET THE CRITERIA FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, BETWEEN A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS.
ONE OF 'EM, UH, ARE TOUCH ON HERE WITH ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS, BUT, UH, AND THE TWO TAX MODIFICATIONS.
SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO MAKE TWO MOTIONS TONIGHT.
ONE IS ABOUT THE TAX MODIFICATIONS, INCLUDING THE MINOR REDUCTION IN SETBACK ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY AND THE ADDITION OF THE SIGNAGE STANDARDS.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE FIRE DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF, UM, APPROVAL WITH THE, UH, INCLUSION OF RETRACTABLE OR REMOVABLE BALLARDS TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE, WHICH ALSO CARRIES OVER FROM BEFORE, IS TO CONTINUE TO WORK IN WITH ENGINEERING ON SANITARY SEWER AND, AND OTHER UTILITY REQUIREMENTS AS THEY GO THROUGH PERMITTING.
WITH THAT, BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU NOW.
UM, MS. HARDER, DO YOU WANT TO START AGAIN? SURE.
AT THIS TIME I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
SOME OF US HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE AND I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WELL, THIS IS TRENDING QUICK, BUT SAME.
IS THIS, IS THIS A TRICK? 'CAUSE I DO HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO BASS, THE FIRE LANE, HOW WIDE IS THE, THE WALKWAY FIRE LANE IN THE BACK? I BELIEVE THE LANE IS 20.
I BELIEVE THE LANE IS 22 FEET.
BUT THERE ARE SPOTS WHERE IT'S EXPANDS TO 26 FEET TO ALLOW FOR OUTRIGGERS FOR THE FIRE TRUCK.
SO IT IS IT IT IS ONE WAY, IS THAT CORRECT,
AND I WANT, I, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
'CAUSE THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE DRIVING.
I SAID, WELL, I THINK IF YOU MADE IT ONE WAY, UM, I DIDN'T WANNA PUT GATES, YOU KNOW, BIG GATES.
AND I SAID ONE WAY IS TO PUT SOME ERRORS.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD AT LEAST KEEP THEORETICALLY PEOPLE FROM COMING FROM ONE DIRECTION AND WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA COME FROM THE OTHER.
BUT, UM, IT DOESN'T MATTER RIGHT NOW THE 'CAUSE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT PALLETS.
THEY BASICALLY, AND SO, BUT PASSAM CALLED 'EM, AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE MORE MEANINGFUL TO THAT.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHY HE SAYS WE JUST HAVE TO WORK THIS OUT.
SO THAT, THAT'S STILL A, IN A DECISION TO MAKE.
UM, SO IS 22 FEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR A FIRE LANE
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THAT THAT'S WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ASKED FOR, EVEN IF IT'S ONE WAY? OR DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? THEY, THEY WANT 22 FEET REGARDLESS.AND ONE THING I WOULD POINT OUT IS IT, IT HAS TO BE TWO WAY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, AT LEAST TO THE, UH, YEAH.
TO ACCESS POINTS TO THE, TO THE ENTRANCE POINTS.
BUT THE OTHER PART COULD BE ONE WAY, THE REASON I'M ASKING, I'M GOING BACK TO BLOCK J AND OUR WOOER, AND IT SEEMED LIKE THAT THEY MADE THAT ONE WAY AND THEY WERE ABLE TO NARROW IT DOWN.
AND IT WAS A FIRE LANE TOO, AS I BELIEVE.
SO I JUST, AGAIN, I, I THINK TO ME IT'S A PEDESTRIAN WAY FIRE LANE, AND THE MORE PEDESTRIAN YOU CAN MAKE IT FEEL THE BETTER.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S WIDTH THEN IT'S, I THINK THE ONE WAY WOULD BE A WONDERFUL WAY JUST TO, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK THAT IF IT'S, IF THE BALLERS ARE THERE, IT PROBABLY DOESN'T MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH.
BUT I GUESS I'M, AND THE, AND THE BUMP OUTS ARE, IS THAT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? YEAH, FOR, FOR, UH, TRIGGERS TO BALANCE THE, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
SO ANYWAY, UM, THAT WAS A CLEAR, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK MORE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT WAS, I I THINK A LONG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AT THE YEAH.
TIME THAT IT WENT BETWEEN CONCEPTUAL AND AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
BUT MY GUESS IS THEY'RE GONNA STICK TO 22 FEET.
WELL, I'VE BEEN REALLY CONSISTENT WITH THIS SUBJECT IN THE FIVE TIMES THAT I'VE SEEN THIS
UM, AND I, I, THE BALLARDS I THINK IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
SO IF YOU CONVINCE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT, THEN I THINK THAT'S POSITIVE.
UM, SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, PHASE ONE DOES NOT HAVE A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO SAWMILL ROAD, BUT IT SHOWS UP IN THE LATER PHASES.
WOULDN'T THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO IMPLEMENT IN PHASE ONE SO THAT FOLKS CAN GET OUT THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX? MAYBE THAT'S, WE'VE GONE BACK, FRANKLY, WE'VE GONE THAT ON, WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE I'M NOT AS WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE GOING FROM THE COMMUNITY OUT TO SELMA ROAD AS I AM SELMA ROAD INTO A SENIOR HOUSING COMMUNITY.
I'VE GOT BUILDINGS THAT ARE, PEOPLE ARE BREAKING INTO, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE ON SOM ROAD.
AND SO, I MEAN, I JUST, I'D PREFER NOT TO CONNECT THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT TO MAKE IT REAL OBVIOUS.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, I, I HAVE BEEN OBSERVING OTHER, UM, FACILITIES LIKE THIS THAT ARE ON 1 61 AND NOTICING THAT THERE IS ACTIVITY OF PEOPLE WANTING TO GET FROM THEIR UP TO SAWMILL TO DO ACCESS, WHATEVER.
SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE A POSITIVE, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, YOU'RE TRYING TO CALL ACCESS TO THE SITE, BUT I THINK IT'S THAT THAT BUILDING IS BUILDING THREE IS ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE.
AND, UM, AGAIN, I'M OPEN TO ANYTHING I JUST WOULD PREFER NOT TO ENCOURAGE, BUT ULTIMATELY IT WILL HAVE TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
SO I'M JUST SUGGESTING WOULD YEAH.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S SHOWN YES.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN.
UM, THE, THE OTHER, THIS IS GONNA BE A REALLY SMALL DETAIL, BUT THE WALKWAY THAT COMES UP FROM BRIGHT ROAD, IT COMES UP TO THE, THE DRIVE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND IT DOESN'T SHOW A CROSSWALK THERE WHERE THERE'S CROSSWALK SHOWN ELSEWHERE.
SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A CROSSWALK IS, IF NOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW, I GUESS PEOPLE HAVE TO CIRCULATE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED? AH, IT SHOWS IT THERE.
YES, WE CAN, WE CAN PUT THAT ONE TO REST THEN.
UM, THE OTHER COMMENT I HAD, AND I'M GONNA LEAN ON MY ARCHITECTURE, FRIENDS ON THE COMMISSION, THE EAST, THAT LITTLE EAST END OF THE BUILDING, THE LITTLE NUB.
UM, THAT IS, I I I'M LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT BLANK FACADE AND WONDERING, I, I KNOW THERE'S UNITS THERE AND I KNOW THEY HAVE WINDOWS ON THE ACTUAL EAST SIDE, NOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE SIDE BECAUSE THEY HAVE WINDOWS GOING INTO THE BEDROOMS. RIGHT.
AND IS THERE A REASON WHY THERE'S NO WINDOWS THERE? UH, MATT LOAS, UH, 4 1 1 MEDITATION LANE, COLUMBUS, OHIO.
UH, I'M WITH THE ORANGE FROG DESIGN GROUP, THE ARCHITECT, AND GREAT, GREAT PICKUP.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE NOTICED WHAT YOU NOTICED AS WELL, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO PUT INTO THE PRESENTATION, BEING THAT WHEN WE DID NOTICE IT, SO ON THE INSIDE CORNER OF THAT, THERE IS A HALLWAY FOR THE FIRST 10 FEET OR SO.
SO WE WOULD BE ADDING A SINGLE WINDOW
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ON THE SECOND, THIRD, AND FOURTH FLOORS, UH, WHERE THE PUNCH OR THE BRICK ACCENTS ARE.THOSE WOULD REMAIN FROM ROUGHLY 10 FEET TO THE CORNER.
BUT WE WOULD BE ADDING A SINGLE WINDOW ON THAT SIDE.
SO, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, THAT, THE EXPRESSION OF THAT WHOLE FACADE, JUST HOW IT WORKS AS A, WITH THOSE TWO.
I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD, WOULD REALLY HELP.
AND THEN, UM, I HAVE A, ANOTHER KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL QUESTION THAT I JUST FEEL, SO THE RENDERING THAT'S ON THE COVER OF THE BOOK IS THE WAY THAT YOU BEST, UM, SHOW IT.
AND THERE YOU'RE SHOWING WINDOWS THAT ARE, THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE BRICKED UP
AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING BEHIND THAT.
THERE'S PROBABLY NOTHING BEHIND THAT FOR A WINDOW TO, TO BE THERE.
I JUST FEEL LIKE BRICKING CREATING THE IDEA OF AN OPENING AND THEN BREAKING IT UP FEELS LIKE AN OLD WAREHOUSE BUILDING THAT THE WINDOWS CAME OUT AND YOU BRICKED THEM UP.
AND I, I I DON'T KNOW IF YOU JUST PUT FAKE GLASS IN THERE.
ARCHITECTS, ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? I, OVER MY SKIS, MR. W NO, I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU.
UM, I SAW THOSE IN THE ELEVATION AND I'VE USED THE SAME TECHNIQUE IN BUILDINGS BEFORE, SO I WASN'T TAKEN BACK BY THOSE.
UM, I ASSUME YOU HAVE THOSE SLIGHTLY, THE BRICKS, SLIGHTLY RECESS THAT IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA CREATE A SHADOW LINE.
IT CONTINUES THE PATTERN THAT'S ON THE BUILDING.
BUT SOMETIMES YOU, YOU HAVE PLACES WHERE YOU WANNA PUT A WINDOW AND YOU CAN'T, AND YOU, IF YOU PUT GLASS OR SOMETHING IN THERE, IT'S GONNA END UP BEING SPAN, GLAZING AND DARK ALL THE TIME.
AND IT REALLY, IT HAS, IT HAS THE SAME EFFECT TO ME.
WHETHER IT WAS DONE AS A WINDOW OR DONE AS A BRICK RECESS, AS LONG AS THE PATTERN WAS CONTINUED, UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY.
AND SOMETIMES YOU LOOK AT THIS WHOLE BUILDING, THERE ARE WINDOWS EVERYWHERE, EVERYWHERE, AND THERE'S PLACES WHERE IT'S NICE TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT RE RELIEF.
SO I, I CAUTION ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME.
UM, I UNDERSTAND WHY I DID IT.
AND USUALLY IN THESE SETTINGS WE'LL PUT A FAKE WINDOW IN AND DRYWALL ACROSS ACROSS IT.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'VE DONE THAT.
UM, I ALSO LOOKED AT YOUR ELEVATIONS IF THERE WAS NO RECESS THERE AND IT WAS JUST CONTINUOUS.
UM, BUT I, THE SCALE OF THE EL THE SCALE OF THE ELEVATION CHANGES WITHOUT SOME SORT OF RECESS THERE AND IT ALMOST BECAME TOO MASSIVE.
SO I DO THINK SOMETHING, SOMETHING IS NEEDED THERE.
THE OTHER OPTION, I THINK, UM, KIM TO SORT OF ASSUAGE YOUR, YOUR CONCERN IS IF YOU TOOK THE, IF YOU TOOK THE LENTIL AND STILL OFF AND JUST HAD TO RECESSED PANEL MM-HMM.
THEN, THEN YOU'D STILL HAVE THE RELIEF THAT THE PANEL CREATES.
I NOTICED YOU HAVE A HERRINGBONE PATTERN IN THERE, SO YOU'RE ALREADY CHANGING IT 'CAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BRICK UP AN OPENING WITH A HERRINGBONE PATTERN.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO THAT.
AND VICKI, VICKY, YOU SAW, THAT'S HERRINGBONE, RIGHT? I THINK YOU SAID THE BRICK WAS CONTINUING ACROSS, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A HERRINGBONE IN THE RECESSES.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT PATTERN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE BUILDING.
SO YOU'RE INTRODUCING AN ELEMENT THEN.
IT'S NOWHERE ELSE IN THEIR ELEVATIONS.
YEAH, I, I, I LIKED IT 'CAUSE IT, 'CAUSE IT ADDRESSES YOUR CONCERN ABOUT LOOKING LIKE A PICKED UP WINDOW AND YOU COULD TAKE THE LIN AND SILL OFF AND IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A PANEL.
YEAH, I THINK THE, I THINK THE LYMPH TONE STILL ARE REALLY CALLING ATTENTION TO IT, WHERE IT JUST WANTS TO BE SUBTLE.
SO LOOKING AT THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, AND THEY CAN CERTAINLY CORRECT ME IF YOU WANTED SOMETHING DELINEATED DIFFERENTLY IN THAT RECESS, I WOULD DO A STACK BOND, NOT A HEARING BONES.
SO STACK BONE, THE BRICKS ARE GONNA STACK RIGHT, RIGHT ON THE TOP OF EACH OTHER, THE GROUT LINES ON.
IT'LL CREATE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PATTERN WITHIN THAT ELEVATION.
BUT I THINK A PATTERN THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERALL ARCHITECTURAL SCHEME THAT THEY PRESENT, I'M, I'M FINE WITH AGREE WITH ME.
NO, I, I'M FINE WITH EITHER THE HAIR BEND OR THE STACK PATTERN.
I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE, THE HEAD IN THE SILL.
I THINK IF WE GET RID OF THE HEAD IN THE SILL, THEN I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS MORE OF A FIELD CONDITION VERSUS A PUNCHED CONDITION.
AND I THINK THAT IT COULD GET LOST WITHOUT THE HEAD OF THE SILL, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO EXPLORE AND, AND HAVE STAFF OR WHOMEVER YOU GUYS FEEL IS APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT THAT IN THOSE CONDITIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE THOSE AS FREQUENTLY.
UM, WE, WE, WE'VE TRIED TO REDUCE THOSE, UM, IN SOME ELEVATIONS.
WE DO HAVE THEM CURRENTLY, BUT THE PHASE FOUR WILL COVER THOSE UP AND BE TAKEN OUT AT THAT LOCATION AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE HAVE THOSE ON THE, UH, EAST ELEVATION FIRST FLOOR WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF SERVICE AND WE DIDN'T WANT THERE TO BE, UH, A LARGE EXPANSE OF UNARTICULATED BRICK.
BUT, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE VERTICAL ELEMENTS THAT DO HAVE THOSE THAT WILL REMAIN AFTER PHASE FOUR.
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SO I'M, I'M GONNA LEAN ON MIKE WHEN WE GET TO LANGUAGEUM, SO I, I WOULD JUST IDENTIFY A CONCERN HAS BEEN A, AND YOU'D LIKE THE CONCERN ADDRESS, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A BRICKED UP WINDOW.
BECAUSE THE ONES, BECAUSE THESE DO HAVE THE SAME BONDING PATTERN AND THESE OH, THEY DO? OKAY.
THESE DO, THESE DON'T HAVE THE HERONE.
SO THESE DO LOOK LIKE BRICKED UP WINDOWS
BUT WHEN YOU, AS SOON AS YOU CHANGE THAT PATTERN IN THERE, WHETHER IT'S STACK BOND, HERRINGBONE, IT ISN'T GONNA LOOK SO MUCH LIKE A BRICKED UP WINDOW.
WELL THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME THINK THAT THROUGH BOTH OF YOU.
UM, THAT IS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD AND SEEING, I'M NOT GONNA GO BACK TO THE COMMISSION BECAUSE YOU HAD NO QUESTIONS UNLESS I SPURRED SOMETHING ON.
SO I AM NOW GOING TO OPEN UP THIS CASE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THANK YOU THE, FOR THE APPLICANT FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND I'M SURE WE'LL SPEAK AGAIN.
ANYBODY HERE, UH, TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE, GOING TH RIGHT.
SO I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND NOW TURN THE, UH, IT OVER TO COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I THINK THAT ENTRANCE HAS A, A WONDERFUL, UM, MORE WELCOMING APPEAR APPEARANCE.
UM, AND I LIKE ALL THE DETAILS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, REALLY REFINED TOO.
UH, AND THEN ALSO I AM FINE WITH THE, UM, HAVING WITH THE WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT AND HAVING THE BARRIERS THERE THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN, UH, MOVE OUT WHEN THEY NEED TO AND SO FORTH.
AND THAT WALKABILITY AREA IS VERY IMPORTANT.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
UM, AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR THINKING ABOUT THE UNDERGROUND PARKING.
I THINK THAT ADDS SUCH A GOOD AMENITY FOR THIS AREA AND, UM, AND WEATHER AND SO FORTH AS WELL TOO.
I, I, I, I REALLY LIKE THE SIGNAGE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S OVERPOWERING.
I THINK IT HAS A VERY NICE LOOK WITH THAT AS WELL TOO.
'CAUSE THIS IS GONNA TAKE A, YOU KNOW, SOME TIME YOUR NEIGHBORS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE HOSPITAL, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, LIFETIME.
UH, THERE'S HOAS AROUND, THERE'S THE DUBLIN CIVIC ASSOCIATION, KEEPING UP WITH THEM, JUST EVEN SENDING A LITTLE NOTE ABOUT WHAT, UM, HOW YOUR PROGRESS IS GOING.
THANK YOU FOR USING FULL DEPTH BRICK.
WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT ARGUMENT UP HERE, UM, ABOUT THE MATERIAL, BUT OTHERWISE I'M SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
UM, ALSO VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE QUALITY MATERIALS, AS KATHY MENTIONED, THE UNDERGROUND PARKING.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPROVED SINCE THE LAST TIME.
MS. NEWELL, I TOO GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE.
UM, ANY COMMENTS I WOULD'VE HAD WOULD'VE BEEN IN YOUR PRIOR APPLICATIONS BEFORE YOU GOT TO THIS POINT? YOU'RE HAVING THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, I DID READ THROUGH, UM, THE PAST HISTORY OF THE CASE, AND OVERALL I THINK IT'S, UM, NICELY DESIGNED.
I PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT MADE COMMENT AT THE HEIGHT OF THIS BUILDING AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, BUT THAT'S LONG SINCE PASSED, SO I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE.
I, I TOO, I'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT FROM THE BEGINNING, SO I AGAIN WANT TO BE CONSISTENT.
I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT PROJECT AND YOU'VE WORKED EXTREMELY HARD TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
UM, AND SO, UH, KUDOS TO, TO YOU TO GET TO THIS POINT.
AND SO I THINK, UH, OTHER THAN THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE ALREADY MADE, I THINK, UM, I'M JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT AND SAY I'M SUPPORTIVE AND WILL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? DO SO DO WE NEED TO ADD ANY LANGUAGE, UM, BASSAM ABOUT THE, THE WALK TO SAWMILL? IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, I CAN CERTAINLY ADD THAT.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, I, I WOULD PROBABLY OPPOSE ADDING IN THAT LANGUAGE AT THIS POINT.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE WALKWAY COMING WITH THAT OTHER BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY'S AT, BUT I HAVE NO PREFERENCE ON THE WALK TO, SO I'M ON ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND BOTH, BOTH ARGUMENTS.
I THINK AT SOME POINT IT'LL BE IMPORTANT.
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IT TOO IS CATCHING A BUS.SOME PEOPLE THERE'S, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO CATCH A BUS OUT THERE THAT'S CLOSE.
SO I'M SEEING SUPPORT FOR, DO WE HAVE, I GUESS IS, IS THERE A STRAW POLL FOR AS IT IS APPROVAL? GO AHEAD.
THAT WOULD BE FOR AS IS, AS IS.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY IF YOU WANTED, UM, YOU WANTED THE WALK, UM, IF I THINK OF OTHER FACILITIES, I IMAGINE SOME OF THESE RESIDENCES MAY POTENTIALLY WALK TO OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE AREA AND OTHER BUSINESSES ENSEMBLE.
UM, THE REASON I'M SUPPORTIVE NOW IS BECAUSE I ALSO SAW THAT COMING IN THE FUTURE PHASES, BUT I'D BE SUPPORTIVE IF YOU WANTED TO END THAT AS A CONDITION.
GARY, IF YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT.
I THINK, KATHY, YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE.
SO COULD WE ADD, UM, ADDING THE WALKWAY IN PHASE THAT WALKWAY IN PHASE ONE AS OPPOSED TO A LATER PHASE? AND I ASSUME THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT ONE FACADE WITH THE WINDOWS.
WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE ANY LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT.
WELL, I THINK HE HEARD US THAT WE, WE WANT YEAH, HE'S SHAKING HIS HEAD.
SO IN YOUR ADDITION, YEAH, I'M FINE.
SO, UM, I AM GOING TO LOOK FOR, UM, A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING DEVELOPMENT TEXT MODIFICATIONS.
DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? MOTION TO APPROVE? YEP.
I'LL ALSO LOOK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION WITH THREE CONDITIONS.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE OUR NEXT CASE.
MAYBE SEVEN MINUTES DEPENDING ON THE LINE.
UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER 25 DASH NINE FDP, THE BEACON RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
DID I DO THAT? SORRY, IT'S BEEN A LONG COUPLE WEEKS.
[Case #26-018AFDP ]
NUMBER 26 DASH ZERO ONE A-A-F-D-P BRIGHT ROAD RESERVE TEXT AMENDMENT.THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH TEXT MODIFICATIONS TO GARAGE SETBACKS.
THE 4.2 ACRE SITE IS ZONED PUD PLANNING UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT BRIGHT ROAD RESERVE, AND IS LOCATED NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF BRIGHT ROAD AND GRANDE CAL CLIFF DRIVE.
I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
GOOD EVENING, CURTIS BERRY WITH ADVANCED CIVIL DESIGN.
UM, WE CAME BACK TO YOU ON THIS PROJECT TO AMEND THE TEXT.
THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF IS NOT BEING AMENDED.
UM, IT'S PRIMARILY JUST THE TEXT.
SO NOW THAT WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO HAVING PERMITS IN HAND, UM, OUR DEVELOPER BUILDER HERE IS STARTING TO LOOK AT THESE LOTS AND LOOK AT POTENTIALS FOR HOW, UH, HOMEOWNERS MAY WANNA DESIGN THEIR HOME.
AND SO THEY THOUGHT, UM, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO AMEND THE TEXT TO, TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE, UM, FLEXIBILITY ON SOME OF THESE LOTS.
SO, SO HERE WE STILL HAVE THE, THE 20 LOTS, THE SINGLE ENTRY POINT WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC, BUT HERE
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WITH THE TEXT MODIFICATIONS, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT FRONT LOAD GARAGES VERSUS SIDE LOAD GARAGES VERSUS AUTO COURTS AND GIVING SOME VARIETY TO THE HOMES AND, AND VARIETY TO THE, UM, POTENTIAL HOME BUYERS.UM, SO ARE YOU CONTROLLING IT? SO HERE, UM, THE TEXT CURRENTLY STATES THAT FRONT LOAD GARAGES ARE TO BE SET BACK 20 FOOT FROM THE PRIMARY, UM, FACE OF THE, OR THE FRONT FACE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THE, WITH THE REAR YARD SETBACKS AND PRIVATE OPEN SPACE SETBACKS IN THE, IN THE BACK OF THE LOTS, THEY'RE KIND OF RESTRICTING HOW MUCH, UH, HOME THAT, YOU KNOW, USABLE SPACE BEHIND THE GARAGES.
SO WE'RE REQUESTING THAT WE CHANGE THAT 20 FOOT TO 15 FOOT THAT GIVES AN EXTRA FIVE FOOT OF, UM, SPACE BEHIND THE GARAGE FOR, UM, A BIGGER LIVING SPACE BACK THERE.
AND WITH DOING SO, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE EXCEPTION THAT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE TEXT AS APPROVED TO USE LANDSCAPE SCREENING TO SCREEN THE AUTO COURT FROM THE ROADWAY.
SO THAT'S THE, UM, THESE ARE KIND OF SHOWING EXAMPLES, UH, UH, JUST HOW THAT, UH, GARAGE WOULD BE SET BACK.
AND NOT NECESSARILY CHARACTER IMAGES THAT'LL BE USED, IT'S JUST THEY'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW THE GARAGE AND HOW THEY'RE SET BACK FROM THE FRONT ENTRY.
UM, SAME WITH THE, THE AUTO COURTS.
UM, THE TEXT, UM, WAS APPROVED THAT THE DOOR WAS TO BE SET BACK 10 FOOT FROM THE FRONT ENTRY.
AND WE'RE ASKING TO REDUCE THAT TO FIVE FOOT TO KIND OF PULL THE GARAGE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY TO GIVE MORE USABLE SPACE BEHIND THE GARAGE FOR THE HOME.
UM, AGAIN, USING THAT EXCEPTION THAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE, IN THE TEXT AS APPROVED, THAT WE'RE GONNA USE LANDSCAPING TO SCREEN THE AUTO COURT SINCE WE ARE PULLING IT FOR FURTHER FORWARD TOWARDS THE ROAD THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY AND SCREEN THAT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE WITH, UH, SOME KIND OF LANDSCAPING FEATURES.
AGAIN, KIND, KIND OF TRYING TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL OF THE GARAGE ON THE SIDE LOAD.
AND THEN THE AUTO COURT HERE WHERE WE'RE PULLING THE, THE GARAGES FORWARD OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW THESE AUTO COURTS IN.
WE STILL HAVE THE PRIMARY ENTRY AS A FOCAL POINT HERE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU COME IN AND WE'RE TRYING TO MODIFY THE TEXT TO JUST GIVE THEM THE FLEXIBILITY OF HAVING THESE AUTO COURTS IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE USING THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL, UH, ELEMENTS THAT ARE IN THE TEXT ON THE GARAGE FACE.
AND THEN THE SCREENING TO HELP, UM, SCREEN THE AUTO COURT AND THE GARAGE ITSELF, THE, UH, ENTRIES.
SO THE, THE, THIS, UM, LANDSCAPING COULD BE EITHER WITH A, UH, WALL PEERS OR LANDSCAPE SCREENING.
THANK YOU CHAIR AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
AS NOTED, THIS IS AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION.
APPROVAL OF A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS TYPICALLY A THREE STEP PROCESS, AND IF THERE ARE CHANGES REQUIRED TO THE FTP AND AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS REQUIRED.
TEXT MODIFICATIONS ARE ALSO CONSIDERED AT THIS STEP IN THE PROCESS.
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ATIONS TONIGHT ARE ALIGNMENT WITH THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE TEXT AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE SURROUNDING CHARACTER.THERE IS AN ACTION REQUIRED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS TONIGHT.
I'LL JUST BRIEFLY EXPLAIN ABOUT THE SITE LOCATION.
IT IS A 14.2 ACRE SITE AND A ZONE POD BRIGHT ROAD RESERVE.
IT IS NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF GRANITE CLIFFS DRIVE AND BRIGHT ROAD.
AND ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE THERE IS A FEMA IDENTIFIED FLOODPLAIN THAT FOLLOWS BILLING STREET CREEK.
THE SITE IS POWERED BY R ONE RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTHEAST, SOUTH AND WEST WITH FERRIS WRIGHT PARK TO SOUTHWEST AND HOPE ELEMENTARY TO SOUTHEAST.
THESE ARE SOME EXISTING PHOTOS OF THE SITE, UM, WHICH DIFFERS FROM HOW COMMISSION MEMBERS HAD SEEN EARLIER.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME WORK ON THE D UM, ON THE SITE, WHICH WAS REMOVER OF THE TREES.
THE STAMPS ARE STILL THERE AND THEIR, UM, STREET IMPROVEMENT PLANS ARE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW BY ENTERING, AND THE WORK WOULD BE COMMENCED ONCE THOSE ARE APPROVED.
JUST AS A QUICK HISTORY, OCTOBER LAST YEAR, COMMISSION MEMBERS APPROVED THE FTP FOR FIVE TEXT MODIFICATIONS IN THREE CONDITIONS AND ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL OF THE FINAL PLAT WITH ONE CONDITION.
AS APPLICANT HAS EXPLAINED, UM, THIS IS QUITE A CHALLENGING AND A UNIQUE SITE, AND THERE ARE UNIQUE LOTS CONFIGURATIONS IN THERE.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS A LOT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED AT THE FTP, WHICH KIND OF OUTLINES HOW UNIQUE THESE PARCELS ARE.
AND THEN THERE IS A REAR YARD SETBACK, WHICH INCLUDES THE EASEMENT AS WELL.
AND THEN THERE IS A, UM, PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, AND THAT'S, AND THEN THERE IS A PRINCIPLE, UM, STRUCTURE SETBACK.
UM, SO SOME OF THESE LOTS WHEN THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS WERE GETTING DONE FOR THESE LOTS CUSTOM HOMES, THERE WERE CHALLENGES WITH THE OPEN, UH, WITH THE, UM, LIVABLE SPACES ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND THUS THESE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BEING PROPOSED.
UM, SO WITH THIS, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS, UM, IT WOULD BE 20 FEET, BUT IN CASE IF IT IS LESS THAN 20 FEET, THERE WOULD BE USE OF ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, WHICH WOULD SERVE AS SOME VISUAL EXTENSIONS AND WHICH WOULD BASICALLY BUFFER THE VIEWS OF THE AUTO PARKING.
AT NO POINT, AT NO LOT, IT CANNOT BE LESS THAN 15 FEET.
UM, AT THE PDP OR AT THE FTP, UM, THE DRIVEWAY BIRTH WAS NOT, UM, WITHIN THE TEXT AND IT WAS DEFERRED TO THE MAIN CODE.
HOWEVER, UM, A MAXIMUM BIRTH OF 16 FOOT IS APPROVED, UM, IS RECOMMENDED OR THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THAT THIS, UM, ALSO ALONG, UM, FOR THE TRIFE, IT HAS TO BE A MAXIMUM OF 30 FEET DEEP AND A 20 FEET, 28 FEET WIDE AT GARAGE DOORS.
SO THIS IS, UM, A CONSTRAINT THAT THE APPLICANT IS PUTTING, WHICH IS, UM, UM, JUST TO REDUCE THE SURFACE AREA OF THE, UM, TRIFE SIMILAR MODIFICATIONS ARE PROPOSED FOR THE, UM, SITE FACING GARAGES AS WELL.
AND OF COURSE THE AIM IS THE SAME TO HAVE THE MORE LIVABLE SPACE AT THE REAR OF THE GARAGE.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, SOME LANDSCAPING FEATURES AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ARE PROPOSED, WHICH WOULD BE PERPENDICULAR TO THE GARAGE DOORS, WHICH WOULD BE EIGHT FEET.
UM, WHEN THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS WERE APPROVED, THEY DID NOT ACTUALLY INCLUDE THE COURTYARD GARAGE OPTIONS.
IT WAS ALWAYS ANTICIPATED THAT THESE WOULD BE EITHER FRONT LOADED OR SIDE LOADED.
HOWEVER, DUE TO THESE UNIQUE LOT CONFIGURATIONS AND SPECIFIC SIDE CHALLENGES, SOME OF THESE LOTS, UH, WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE EITHER A FRONT OR A SIDE ONES.
AND THE ONE IN THE RED CIRCLES ARE MOST LIKELY TO HAVE AN AUTO CODE GARAGE.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO, UM, ADD THOSE WITHIN THE TEXT.
SO THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THESE LOTS TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND THERE WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX LOTS.
WE WOULD HAVE, UM, AUTO CODE GARAGES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT MAYBE AT BUILDING PERMIT THERE IS A TRACKING LOCK THAT NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED SO THAT THESE LOTS CAN BE IDENTIFIED.
WHICH ONES ARE THE AUTO CODE GARAGES? ONE, UH, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED IN THE TEXT.
UM, FIRST IS WITHIN THE LOT STANDARDS, THERE IS AN OPEN AIR OUTDOOR LIVING STRUCTURES THAT ARE PERMITTED WITH THIS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPEN FROM ALL THREE SIDES, AND AT NO POINT IT CAN BE CONVERTED TO AN ALL SEASON ROOM AND THEY ARE PERMITTED TO ENCROACH IN THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE OF THE LOTS.
THE SECOND ONE IS THE SINGLE STORY HOMES, UM, AT, IT WAS WITHIN THE TEXT, IT'S 1.5 TO TWO STORY HOMES.
HOWEVER, JUST TO HAVE, UM, POTENTIAL FLEXIBILITY TO THE BUYERS
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SINGLE STORY HOMES ARE BEING PROPOSED.THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER WILL STILL REMAIN SAME.
IT WOULD BE, UH, ONE AND A HALF TO TWO STORIES IN THE VISUAL PRESENCE SO THAT THE MOSS REMAINS SAME OF THE ENTIRE, UM, UH, BEAUTY UD.
AND LASTLY, THERE'S A MINOR TEXT ERROR UPDATE AND THERE'S AN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM UPDATE WITHIN THE TEXT WITH THIS, THE MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION CRITERIA ARE LISTED HERE.
THE DETAILED EXPLANATION IS IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THESE, UM, MINOR TEXT MODIFICATIONS AS THEY MEET THE CRITERIA.
LISTED HERE ARE THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN CRITERIA.
MOST OF THE CRITERIA ARE EITHER MET OR THEY'RE NOT APPLICABLE, BUT THIS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THESE FOLLOWING TEXT MODIFICATIONS AS LISTED ON YOUR SCREEN.
AND PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE A FTP WITH TWO CONDITIONS.
THE FIRST ONE IS THAT APPLICANT SUBMIT A CLEAN COPY WITHIN THE 30 DAYS OF APPROVAL, AND THEN WITH EACH BERLIN PERMIT APPLICATION, UM, FOR THE COURTYARD STYLE GARAGE, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT AN UPDATED TRACKING LOG TO ENSURE THAT IT DOES NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED WITHIN THE TEXT.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
OKAY, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP TO THE COMMISSION NOW FOR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND STAFF.
CARTER, DO YOU WANNA START OFF AGAIN? SURE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS.
ONE, UH, FIRST QUESTION IS ABOUT LANDSCAPING.
THIS, THE, THE ADDITIONAL ONES TO THE GARAGES.
SO HOAS WOULD ENFORCE THIS AFTER YOU ALL HAVE MOVED ON AND SO FORTH, BUT IT'S UP TO THE HOME HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY.
I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW WE HAVE IT WRITTEN IN THERE.
AND THEN, UH, CLARIFY THE FENCE THAT'S OUTSIDE ON BRIGHT ROAD.
UM, THERE USED TO BE A FENCE THERE FOR YEARS, AND THEN YOU'VE TAKEN THAT OUT, IT SEEMS LIKE IN, IN YOUR, UH, TEXT IT SAYS LIKE THAT COULD COME BACK OR IT COULD, UH, NOT BE THERE AT ALL.
NO, IT, IT'S IN THE, IT'S STILL IN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THE FENCE WOULD COME BACK.
IT'S BEING REBUILT, REBUILT, REBUILT.
ANY CONCERNS, UM, JUST ABOUT THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION KEEPING UP WITH THAT, UH, AFTER YOU ALL ARE GONE AND SO FORTH? UM, JUST THE CONCERNS, UH, WITH THAT.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY OTHER FENCES AROUND IT.
I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE, THE SAME CHARACTER THAT'S THERE THAT WAS THERE WITH THE ONE HOUSE THERE, AND, BUT AROUND IT, THERE'S NO OTHER, UH, FENCE.
THE SCHOOL DOESN'T HAVE A FENCE.
THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET DOESN'T HAVE A FENCE.
UH, THIS RYAN SCHULTZ WITH MKSK.
THE, THE FENCE THAT EXISTS TODAY IS A THREE RAILS, LIKE A SPLIT RAIL.
TODAY IT'S IN, IT'S IN DISARRAY IN A LOT OF THE AREAS.
IT ACTUALLY CONNECTS TO THE ENTRY MONUMENTS THAT ARE THERE.
THEY'RE STILL THERE, SHOWED SOME OF THAT.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO REPLACE THAT FENCE WITH A VERY SIMILAR, ALMOST EXACT REPLICA OF THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY NEW AND AND MUCH NICER LOOKING FENCE WITH THE ANTICIPATION THAT HOA WOULD HELP MAINTAIN THAT, UH, FOR THE LONG TERM.
SO WOULD THERE BE MUCH MAINTENANCE TO THAT FOR THE HOAI AM JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT.
KIND OF A, UH, IT'D BE RELATIVELY LOW MAINTENANCE, UH, AS FAR AS WHAT A TYPICAL WOOD FENCE WOULD PROVIDE.
AND MS. HARLEY WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE GARAGES TONIGHT.
NOT ON, I'M SORRY, I WENT ON A SO ON.
SO I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION WAS WITH THE GARAGES AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, OKAY, MR. BERRY, HOW MANY LOTS I UNDERSTAND THE TEXT RIGHT NOW IS LIMITING SIX LOTS TO THE COURTYARD OPTION, BUT HOW MANY LOTS ARE YOU REQUESTING THE FLEXIBILITY OF REDUCING THE FRONT SETBACK? SO THE, THE TEXT CURRENTLY DOES NOT LIMIT HOW MANY YARD, HOW MANY COURTYARDS CAN BE.
WE WROTE THAT IN AS THE MODIFICATION.
BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GIVE THEM THE FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE THE GARAGE FORWARD FIVE FEET ON SOME OF THESE, UM, LOTS.
THERE'S NO LIMITATION TO HOW MANY OF THOSE LOTS.
HERE'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION.
EVERY COMMUNITY I'M FAMILIAR WITH FOR NEW
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CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT ALLOW THE GARAGES TO FACE FORWARD.AND IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK IN DUBLIN, IT MUST HAVE BEEN EARLIER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT SOME OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS IN THE NINETIES, NO GARAGES ARE FACING FORWARD.
YOU LOOK AT CORTONA, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, NO GARAGES.
AND THOSE FLATS ARE TIGHTER THAN YOUR LOTS, NO GARAGES ARE FACING FORWARD.
SO YOU'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING.
AND IN FACT, OUR CODE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE STANDARDS, UM, RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE STANDARDS SIDE LOADED AND RECESSED GARAGES ARE ENCOURAGED.
NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, 16 TO 18 FOOT WIDE GARAGE DOORS ARE DISCOURAGED.
SO YOU'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY CONTRARY TO PRACTICES IN MOST COMMUNITIES.
NEW CONSTRUCTION, NOT ADDITIONS, NEW CONSTRUCTIONS CONTRARY TO THE INTENT OF OUR CODE.
AND I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THE STAFF, I'M GONNA GET GET TO YOU IN A MINUTE ABOUT THIS.
UM, UM, SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.
I CAN UNDERSTAND LOTS THAT ARE 55, HAVE THE 55 FOOT SETBACK TO BUILDING LINE 'CAUSE THAT RESTRICTION IS ENORMOUS.
UM, BUT I JUST KIND OF QUESTIONED, HAD YOU, HAD YOU REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT A GARAGE THAT LONG LOOKS LIKE THAT CLOSE TO THE STREET? YEAH, I THINK THE, THE, THE MORE CONCERN IS THAT THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE IN THE BACK IS RESTRICTING HOW FAR BACK THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE CAN GO, WHICH IS CAUSING THE, WITH THE, THE GARAGE SETBACK, IT'S CAUSING VERY LITTLE LIVABLE SPACE BEING ABLE TO BE BUILT BEHIND THE GARAGE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN THAT UP TO GIVE MORE BUILDABLE SPACE BEHIND THE GARAGE TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE.
AND I'M, AND I'M, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THAT ISSUE AND PARTICULARLY WHERE THE SETBACKS ENORMOUS ALONG THE NORTH.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE SOLUTION IS CREATING ANOTHER PROBLEM.
IT'S KIND OF LESS DESIRABLE IF YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD THREE CAR GARAGE THAT WAY.
NOW THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR STAFF, I'M VERY SURPRISED THAT YOU THINK AT LEAST THAT'S THE INFERENCE IT, THAT YOU THINK THAT THE COURTYARDS, 'CAUSE YOU, YOU SAID, WELL HERE'S SIX, SIX SITES WHERE WE THINK THE COURT, YOU THINK THE COURTYARD IS LESS OF AN ISSUE ON THE ENVIRONMENT THAN BECAUSE THE COURTYARD HIDES THE GARAGE DOOR AND IT ACTUALLY CREATES A SPACE OUT IN FRONT AND IT'S LESS AN ISSUE THAN THE STRAIGHT THREE CAR GARAGE FACING THE FRONT.
SO YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE APPEARANCE OF THAT.
SO WE DID HAVE A CONCERN AND THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION ON THAT.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE WANT TO, UM, FIND SOLUTIONS TO AWAI THAT THESE LOTS CAN BE BUILT.
UM, WHEN THE INITIALLY THIS DISCUSSION STARTED, APPLICANT CAME BACK WITH ALLOWING COURTYARD GARAGES FOR ALL THE HOMES.
UM, SINCE THIS WAS NEVER THE INTENT OF THIS BEAUTY, AND THIS WAS ALWAYS THE INTENT THAT IT HAS GOING TO BE, UM, A VERY, UM, INTIMATE ENCLAVE KIND OF, UM, A PURITY WITH 20 HOMES JUST IN THERE WHERE HOMES IS GOING TO BE CLOSER TO THE STREET AND PROVIDING THE
HOWEVER, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE ARCHITECTURAL PLOTS AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS AND MEETING, WE CAME UP WITH A CONCLUSION THAT THE LOTS, WHICH DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH WIDTH, COULD PAY A, HAVE AUTO COURTYARD GARAGES, BUT THEN HAVE THOSE CONDITIONS IN THERE.
SO THEY STILL HAVE THAT ARCHITECTURE AND THEY STILL HAVE THAT CONNECTIVITY WHICH CONTRIBUTE TO THE PEDESTRIAN REALM OF THAT PURITY.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
WHAT I WANNA HEAR, BECAUSE WE'VE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT IT'S REALLY BEAUTIFUL, IT'S ALL COURTYARDS.
RTI COULD CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THE FRONT LOAD GARAGES WERE PART OF THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL.
IT'S JUST THE SETBACK THAT'S CHANGING.
SO THAT'S I KNOW, BUT, BUT FRONT YARD BUT, BUT FRONT YARD THIS WIDE IS, THE TEXT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE GARAGE.
THE THREE CAR GARAGE VERSUS YEAH.
SO IT DOES NOT SAY THAT, BUT IT SAYS THAT THE MAXIMUM WIDTH IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE IS A MAXIMUM OF 28 FEET.
SO THAT LIMITS THEM TO, UM, LESSER THAN WHAT A COURT REQUIRES THEM TO DO.
MAXIMUM WIDTH IN MAXIMUM WIDTH IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE.
IT'S NOT GARAGE RIGHT AT THE GARAGE WIDTH.
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CORRECT.THOSE ARE MY INITIAL COMMENTS, MR. GARVIN.
THIS MAY BE CONSIDERED MORE OF A DISCUSSION POINT, BUT I'LL FRAME IT AS A QUESTION.
UM, ON THE LAST DIAGRAM OF THE, UH, PRESENTATION, WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE EXAMPLES OF THE SIDE LOADED GARAGES WITH THE COURTYARD.
AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THE SCREENING ON THAT, IF WE'RE ABLE TO BRING IT UP.
THIS WOULD BE THE LAST, THE LAST PAGE, I BELIEVE THIS ONE.
AND I'LL JUST SAY NOW THE, UH, YEAH, SO YOU CAN SEE THE SCREENING ON THAT RIGHT SIDE ISN'T REALLY MUCH OF SCREENING.
WOULD YOU HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO LANGUAGE THAT SAID OPAQUE SCREENING, WHETHER IT'S LANDSCAPING OR HARD, IT'S GONNA BE MORE LIKE THE, THE ONES ON THE LEFT.
THIS IS JUST MORE A PICTURE OF THE KIND OF, THAT STILL HAS FOR ILLUSTRATING THAT.
I'LL ADD THE PHOTOS ON THE LEFT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S LIKE A BOTH SIDES OF THAT DRIVEWAY AREA.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING LANDSCAPE BASED CORE TREES, JUST REALLY TRYING TO CAPTURE A NICE LOOK TO THAT.
SO YOU'RE KIND SEEING CARS
I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
UH, I JUST HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD SOMETHING.
SO WERE ALL OF THESE HOMES CUSTOM DESIGNED? THAT IS THE INTENT.
IT'S JUST, UM, IT'S REALLY UNUSUAL THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE ARCHITECTURE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, SO I STRUGGLED MORE WITH THE SETBACKS, NOT NOT ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT THE BUILDING, UM, WILL LOOK LIKE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S WAYS TO HANDLE IT AND IT CAN END UP LOOKING WONDERFUL AND THEN THERE'S OTHER WAYS AND IT WON'T LOOK SO GREAT.
SO YEAH, SINCE, SINCE THEY'RE, SINCE THEY'RE ALL CUSTOM, WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE EVERY HOME'S GONNA BE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE CUSTOM.
UM, YEAH, AGAIN, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE, YOU'RE PICKING UP FOUR FEET BEHIND THE GARAGE AND, YOU KNOW, THE, TO ME THIS IS FOLLOWING, IT WAS A FOLLOWING THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES WHERE WHEN YOU HAD FOUR FACING, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT SETBACK THAT REALLY GIVE YOU THAT TO, TO DISENGAGE THE, THE GARAGE DOORS FROM THE STREET.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE PULLING THEM JUST FIVE FEET CLOSER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, AS MS. NEWELL SAID, IT'S HARD WITHOUT KNOWING THE ARCHITECTURE OF REALLY WHAT IMPACT IT'S GONNA HAVE.
BUT, UM, I, I, I MEAN I LOVE THE, THE COURTYARD ONES AND I, AND I'M ALMOST OKAY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE FIVE FOOT CLOSER.
I JUST DON'T WANT THAT THE FACADES TO GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING FLATTER, RIGHT? THAT YOU WANT AS MUCH PLAY AS YOU CAN.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S NO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN TO, TO BALANCE THAT AGAIN.
SO I'M ALWAYS LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, LET'S GET IT AT AS CLOSE AS WHAT WE WANT, WHICH WOULD BE THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND, AND, AND NOW WE'RE VARYING FROM THOSE.
AND SO I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE, THE, IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL DIMENSION
AND SO I I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT ARE WE, ARE WE ALLOWING SOMETHING TO HAPPEN THAT'S GONNA HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON THE CHARACTER OF THE STREETSCAPE? SO WE, UH, CAN I RESPOND OR PARDON ME? DO YOU MIND IF I RESPOND TO THAT? I CAN MAYBE CLARIFY.
UH, KEVIN COOK, CORINTHIAN HOMES 89 37 LOCKER B COURT, DUBLIN.
UM, WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO IS TO KIND OF CREATE THIS ENCLAVE OF DIVERSITY, UH, WITH THE HOMES.
AND IN LOOKING AT THE LOTS WITH, WITH THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE FROM OUR EASEMENTS, OUR OPEN SPACE, AS CURTIS HAS MENTIONED, UH, THE, THE DESIGNS THAT WE, WE STARTED WORKING ON SOME DESIGNS THAT WE COULD SHOW PROSPECTIVE BUYERS AND WITH THE PRICE POINT OF THIS
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COMMUNITY AND THE LOT PRICES, IT'S GONNA BE UP THERE.AND WE'RE TRYING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE NECESSARY TO MAKE ALL OF THE ROOMS SIZES FIT AND FEEL COMFORTABLE FOR THESE PRICE POINTS OF HOMES.
SO WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR AND WHAT WE STARTED TO UNDERSTAND BASED ON TOPOGRAPHY OF SOME OF THE LOTS, UM, THAT IF WE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD HAVE THE GARAGES COME A LITTLE BIT MORE FORWARD, WE COULD GET SPACE BEHIND THE GARAGE THAT'S USABLE SPACE.
THAT'S, THAT CREATES ROOMS THAT ARE SUFFICIENT IN SIZE AND SOME OF THESE FOOTPRINTS HAVE GOTTEN SMALL SO THAT, UM, IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE WHAT WE WANT TO PUT ON THE FIRST FLOOR ON SOME OF THESE PLANS, UH, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE CUSTOM.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT COMMUNITY.
THERE'S A, A REALLY A HIGH DEMAND AND INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT, AND WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE FINAL
WE'VE, WE WERE HOPING TO BE STARTED A WHILE AGO, BUT, UM, ANXIOUS TO GET STARTED ANYWAYS.
AND WE WANNA CREATE THIS COMMUNITY THAT HAS THE DIVERSITY IN THE ARCHITECTURAL FEEL OF THE COMMUNITY AND BEING ABLE TO DO THE COURTYARDS DOING SOME FRONT LOADS AND SOME SIDE LOADS WILL ADD TO THAT DIVERSITY AND NOT HAVE THIS MONOTONOUS STREET ACROSS ALL SIDE LOADS.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO WE WANT TO CREATE THE INTEREST AND MOVING THE HOUSES FORWARD AND BACK WITH HAVING COURTYARDS AND SIDE LOADS AND FRONT LOADS, I THINK HELPS ACCOMPLISH THAT.
WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO A CONDITION THAT SAID YOU COULD ONLY HAVE TWO CAR, A TWO CAR DOOR FACING FORWARD ON SOME OF THESE LOTS? QUITE HONESTLY, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T FIT A SIDE LOAD ONTO SOME OF THESE LOTS JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE AND THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THEM.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE CHALLENGING.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE HOME BUYERS ARE LOOKING FOR THREE CAR GARAGES IN THIS PRICE POINT.
AND SO TO RESTRICT THOSE LOTS TO NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A THREE CAR FRONT LOAD WOULD BE SOMEWHAT OF AN ISSUE OR WOULD BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ROOM TO CREATE THE SIDE LOADS.
AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED SEVERAL LOTS THAT ARE JUST TIGHT.
AND IN ORDER TO FIT THIS, WE NEED TO REALLY BE ABLE TO DO THREE, THREE CARS.
BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE THREE CAR, WE WE'RE WILLING TO, WE'RE GONNA STAGGER THEM.
SO IT'S NOT A TH IT'S NOT A THREE CAR THAT'S JUST GONNA GO STRAIGHT ACROSS, HAVE THE FIRST, UH, BAY OR, UH, DOUBLE AND THEN OFFSET THE SECOND OR THE THIRD CAR GARAGE SO THAT IT FITS AND GIVES US SOME UNIQUE DESIGN ELEMENTS TO IT.
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS AND TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT, TRYING TO GET THE MOVEMENT ARE THE ISSUES.
AND THAT'S WHAT ONE OF MY EARLIER QUESTIONS ARE THE ISSUES PRIMARILY ALONG THE NORTH BOUNDARY OF THE SITE WHERE YOU HAVE THE BIGGEST SETBACK, THE 55 FOOT SETBACK, OR ARE THE ISSUES ON ALL THE SITES? I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE CORNERS ARE, ARE, YEAH.
AND THE CORNER LOTS, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN GET SOME SIDE LOADS THERE, 'CAUSE WE CAN COME OFF THIS OFF THE, UH, OTHER STREET ANGLE, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT LOTS, BUT THERE ARE SOME CERTAIN ONES SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THAT WE JUST IDENTIFIED THAT ARE, THAT ARE CHALLENGING AND IN ORDER TO GET A THREE CAR GARAGE AND GET A DECENT SIZED FIRST FLOOR WITH THE ROOMS, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TWO STORIES ON SOME OF THE, ON THESE SMALLER LOTS.
BUT IN ORDER TO GET A FIRST FLOOR WITH THE ROOMS THAT WE NEED ON THE FIRST FLOOR TO MAKE IT WORK, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO A FRONT LOAD GARAGE.
AND, AND IT CAN'T BE SPLIT BETWEEN A TWO AND A ONE, LIKE YOU SHOW ON THE SITE PLAN, YOU SHOWED A NUMBER OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
IS THAT NOT S NOT ON SOME OF THE LOTS, RIGHT? WHERE YOU HAVE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT TWO AND THEN THE SIDE LOAD ON ONE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE WIDTH, WE CAN'T GET OVER THERE AND YOU CAN'T GET INTO YOUR GARAGE.
YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE WIDTH TO DO IT.
AND THAT'S THE RESTRICTION ON THIS.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE CHALLENGING LOTS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH AND CAME UP WITH THE FACT THAT WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A THREE CAR FRONT LOAD IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORK.
UM, YES, I'M SORRY, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT FRONT LOADING.
SO ALL ALONG, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE DRIVEWAYS WERE TO BRING CARS INTO THE DRIVEWAYS, LIKE YOUR GUESTS AND SO FORTH, SO YOU WEREN'T PARKING ALONG THE STREET.
DOES THAT A MINI, DOES THAT, UM, CAUSE PROBLEM FOR
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THAT, THAT YOU CAN'T, UM, LIKE IF YOU HAVE A GUEST OVER AND YOU'RE PARKED THERE AND YOU HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE AND THERE'S CAR OUT THERE, YOU, YOU COULDN'T PUT A COUPLE OF CARS IN THERE.ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THAT, ABOUT THE STREET PARKING VERSUS LIMITATIONS TO THAT WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE DEPTH OF THE DRIVEWAY SO YOU CAN STILL PARK CARS IN THERE? IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? OR IS THERE YEAH, I THINK, DOES THAT HELP REST? YEAH, BUT IT'S STILL, YOU'RE BRINGING IT CLOSER TO THE STREET, CORRECT? THE, THE DRIVEWAY, THE DRIVEWAYS, THE DRIVEWAY, IT'S THE DRIVEWAYS AREN'T CHANGING THE DISTANCE, IT'S JUST HOW FAR WE GOTTA SET BACK, RIGHT? THE GARAGE.
SO WE'RE BRINGING THIS A LITTLE, SO THE GARAGE IS MOVING FORWARD, SO THEN YOU HAVE LESS PARKING IN FRONT.
WOULD YOU AGREE TO THAT WAS, IS THAT TRUE ON THE DRIVEWAY SPACE? THE, THE CONCRETE? YEAH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
UH, THAT MAKES, IF YOU NOTICE IN THE SECOND DIAGRAM, WE ACTUALLY ADDED IN THE 30 FOOT MAX DIMENSION, WHICH IS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT PARKING CONDITION SIMILAR TO HOW THE ORIGINAL TEXT WAS WRITTEN.
IT'S JUST, WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE'RE JUST MOVING THE WHOLE DRIVEWAY CLOSER TO THE STREET.
BUT YOU ALSO NOTICE, AND I THINK THIS MIGHT SPEAK TO GARY'S CONCERN ABOUT THE VISUAL CONCERN.
WE'RE, WE'RE NARROWING DOWN THE DRIVEWAY ENTRY.
PUTTING THAT SCREENING AND REALLY JUST BREAKING UP THAT VISUAL VIEW, BUT STILL ALLOWING PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAY SO YOU'RE NOT PARKING IN THE STREET.
SO YOUR GUESTS AND SO FORTH WILL HAVE SOME SPACE NOT REALLY PARKED THERE.
I'M SORRY, I I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.
OH, UH, MY CONCERN WAS ADDRESSED THERE.
OH, A GENERAL DELIBERATION ON THIS.
WERE YOU ASKING THIS? 'CAUSE I HAD KIND OF REACHED BEFORE.
UM, NO, WE, WE HAVE TO STOP A DELIBERATION AND OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? OKAY, SO I AM GOING TO CLOSE OUR DISCUSSION AND OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE GOING RICE, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UM, AND NOW WE CAN GO BACK TO DISCUSSION AND UH, DAN, START US OFF.
UM, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE, THE THREE CAR FRONT LOADED GARAGE.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGER POINT OF CONTENTION FOR ME.
UM, IN GENERAL, I WILL SAY I'M SUPPORTIVE OF MAKING THESE CHANGES.
I THINK, UH, WHILE THAT THE THREE CAR FRONT LOADED GARAGE CAN CREATE THAT LARGE KIND OF WALL OF, OF GARAGE DOORS, I THINK THAT THE DESIGN THAT WE'VE SEEN CREATES A COURTYARD THAT MAKES IT MORE INTIMATE.
I, I LIKE THEIR SOLUTION FOR PUTTING TREES TO KIND OF BLOCK TWO OF THOSE BAYS.
I DO THINK THERE ARE SOME, UM, EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES REGARDING THE, THE SITE HERE.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, I'LL GENERALLY, I'LL BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
UH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO, WHEN WE COME TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO ADD THE WORD OPAQUE IN FRONT OF THE SCREENING JUST TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DEFINED A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UM, SO IT'S ALREADY GONE AND IT'S GOTTEN AN APPROVAL FOR ITS FUNNEL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN WE'RE AMENDING THE TEXT RELATIVELY SOON, WHICH MAKES ME A LITTLE UNEASY.
UM, I WISH I KNEW WHAT THE ARCHITECTURAL HOMES, UM, LOOK LIKE, BUT I ALSO KNOW OF PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE DONE AROUND THE CITY OF DUBLIN AS WELL.
UM, I THINK THREE CAR GARAGE, WHETHER THAT SETBACK IS 15 FEET OR 20 FEET, YOU'RE SURELY GONNA SEE THE THREE CAR GARAGE THAT'S THERE.
BUT HAVING THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND UM, ADDING THE PIERS OR HAVING THAT AS AN AMENITY WALL CAN BE A REALLY NICE FEATURE THAT WORKS TOGETHER WITH THE ENTIRE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOME.
SO I, I CAN GO EITHER DIRECTION ON THIS ONE.
I THINK I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE, BASICALLY.
I WOULD SUPPORT IF YOU, IF WE REVISED IT IN THIS WAY BECAUSE YOUR SUGGESTION ABOUT YOU CAN STEP PART OF THE GARAGE BACK.
WELL, WHEN I LOOK AT LOT 18, THAT'S DIAGRAMMED HERE.
IF YOU FLIPPED THE TWO CAR OVER IN FRONT OF YOUR FINISHED SPACE, YOU HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO MAKE THAT ONE BAY COMPLY WITH OUR CURRENT CODE.
SO IT STEPS THE GARAGE BACK, BREAKS UP THE TWO, THE TWO CAR EXPRESSION ACROSS THE FRONT AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DEVELOP THAT WEDGE VERY WELL ANYWAYS, SO IF YOU PUSH IT BACK IN THERE,
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SO I MEAN THAT'S, I WOULD GIVE IF THAT WAS A PART OF THE LANGUAGE, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT IT IF IT'S AS IT IS AS IT'S WRITTEN NOW.I DON'T, THE COURTYARD HOMES DON'T BOTHER ME, BUT WE'RE MAKING A BAD CONDITION WORSE BY BRINGING IT FORWARD.
SO THAT'S WHY I, I NEED TO SEE SOME LANGUAGE THAT BROKE IT UP.
I THINK, UM, THAT INTRICATE LOOK AT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND HAS, UM, IT'S THAT TIMING THAT THEY NEED TO BE WORKING WITH STAFF ON THAT.
'CAUSE IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO STAY WITH CODE AND BEHIND THE SCENES YOU'RE GOING DO THAT, THEN THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE THE WAY WE GO.
ALSO, ALL ALONG WAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE DRIVEWAYS TO, TO TAKE UP, YOU KNOW, GUESTS COMING IN AND, AND BEING ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, KEEP CARS OFF THE STREET BECAUSE THE WHOLE LOOK IS EVERYTHING COMING TO THE STREET, MORE WALKABILITY AND EVERYBODY OUT CLOSE TOGETHER, WHICH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, QUITE IMPORTANT.
BUT, AND AGAIN, I DO, I DO LIKE THE COURT COURTYARDS.
I THINK THAT HAS UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE THAT I THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA LIKE AND THAT, UM, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THE THREE CAR GARAGES ARE, ARE QUITE IMPORTANT IN THAT, UH, REALM TOO.
SO I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE THOUGH.
UM, YEAH, I, AGAIN, I'VE BEEN SO SUPPORTIVE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ALL ALONG AND I I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE FABULOUS AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE AFRAID THAT ANY CHANGE MIGHT SCREW, SCREW IT UP
SO THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL WHY DID YOU DO THAT? UM, BUT AGAIN, THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE, THE ISSUE ABOUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE ARCHITECTURE DESIGN.
I GOTTA BELIEVE AT THIS PRICE POINT, THERE'S GONNA BE A TON OF LANDSCAPING ON HERE.
IT'S NOT JUST THIS LITTLE
YOU'RE, BY LOOKING AT THAT YOU'RE KIND OF BE MISLEADS YOU.
LIKE THAT'S ALL THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S BEING DONE.
SO I, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE FAB.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE FLEXIBILITY.
I REALLY LIKE MR. ALEXANDER'S SUGGESTION ON THE FRONT FACING IS TO, CAN YOU SLIDE BACK THE ONE, THE ONE BAY? UM, IF YOU FLIP 'EM, AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A REALLY CLEVER WAY TO DEAL WITH IT.
AND I COULD, I THINK I CAN SUPPORT IT THEN AND FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE'VE DONE THE RIGHT THING.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA ADD ANYTHING? DAN? YOU SAID Y YEAH, I MEAN I MENTIONED THAT I, IS THERE ANYWHERE IN HERE WHERE, WHERE WE'RE REQUIRING THE SCREENING? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WE DID EARLIER, BUT IN THE MOTION, IS IT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, THAT IT'S IN THERE.
I GUESS THAT'S THE EIGHT, EIGHT FOOT BUFFER.
IT'S, IT'S IN THE, IS THAT THE WORDING THAT WOULD REFER TO THE SCREENING OR IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
SO YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD PUT IN 90% OPAQUE.
SO GARY, I THINK YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE ADD LANGUAGE IF, WELL I WANT, I I SAW THE APPLICANT KIND OF SHAKING HIS HEAD LIKE HE'D BE OKAY IF WE, SO MY THINKING WAS WE WOULD GO AHEAD.
GARY, COULD YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? SO IF I JUST UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A TWO BAY ONTO THE LEFT AND THEN SLIDE OR HAVING A TWO BAY AND THEN SLIP IN THE, THE SINGLE CAR BACK FURTHER.
AND SO I WAS THINKING, SO THERE'S AN OFFSET BETWEEN THE DOUBLE CAR GARAGE AND THE SINGLE CAR GARAGE OF AN OFFSET OF MAYBE TWO FEET.
I THINK YOU'RE SAYING IT GOES BACK TO THE 20 FEET.
WELL, OR FIVE, WHAT I WAS, WHAT I WAS GOING TO, IF, IF IT FITS IS SAY THAT THE ONE CAR BAY NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH THE T WITH THE 20 FOOT DEPTH WHERE, SO IT'S FIVE FEET BACK, BUT THE OTHER ONE CAN COME OUT, COME UP 15 FEET AND THEN I HAVE A FIVE FOOT OFFSET ON THE SINGLE CAR GARAGE.
SO THE, I THINK WE COULD MAKE THAT WORK.
EVERYBODY AGREE WITH THAT AS A, AS A ALTERATION? I WOULD DO IT, BUT YEAH.
UM, OH, SO WE WOULD WORD IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE RODDY'S ALREADY DOING IT, SO SHE MAYBE NO MORE THAN TWO GARAGE DOORS ON THE SAME PLANE OR A TWO CAR GARAGE CAN, THE WIDTH OF A TWO CAR GARAGE CAN ENCROACH OR CAN BE 15 FEET SETBACK AS REQUESTED.
THE THIRD, THE THIRD CAR, IF THERE IS A THIRD CAR GARAGE ON THE SITE, IT NEEDS TO CONFORM TO THE STANDARD WE HAVE.
SO I THINK YOU HAD IT RIGHT, MAYBE UP TO, UP TO TWO CARS MAY IN UP
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TO TWO CAR GARAGE SPACES, HOWEVER THAT'S WORDED MAY ENCROACH ANOTHER FIVE FEET.HAVE YOU, I ACTUALLY LIKE THAT SUGGESTION.
UH, I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT THE, THE CURRENT TEXT DOES ALLOW US TO DEVIATE FROM 20 FOOT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OR SCREENING.
THEN IF THE, IF THE CURRENT TEXT ALLOWS YOU TO DEVIATE FROM THE 20 FEET, WHY WE THEN WHY ARE WE HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT 15
WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT THEN.
I THINK THEY'RE SAYING SOMETHING ELSE.
THEY'RE SAYING SOMETHING ELSE.
THEY'RE, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
THEY'RE SAYING IT DOESN'T, THIS IS AN ARGUMENT'S MOOT.
ALTHOUGH WE CAN, WE, THIS IS A, WE'RE REVISING THE TEXT TONIGHT, SO, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE THAT WE'RE, YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT HOW SOON WE'RE COMING BACK.
IT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO, WE DON'T WANT HOMEOWNERS TRYING TO APPLY FOR VARIANCES FROM MM-HMM
WE'D RATHER WRITE IT INTO GET THE TEXT.
SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE VARIANCES COMING.
TRUST ME, I, I SAID ON AIR, AIR, THE, UH, BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
SO THOSE THOUGHTS CAME IN MY HEAD WHILE YOU WERE, I WAS READING THIS APPLICATION.
THAT BEING SAID, WE STILL, IT'S STILL UNUSUAL TO COME BACK SO SOON TO MODIFY A TEXT.
IS THAT ALREADY THERE? DOESN'T THAT COVER IT? YEAH, JUST, JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.
HE WAS NOT NOTING THAT THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE STANDARDS IN THE ZONING CODE ALREADY SAYS THAT NO MORE THAN TWO GARAGE DOORS CAN BE IN THE SAME PLANE.
BUT, BUT SINCE THIS HAS ITS OWN TEXT, I THINK IT IS SAFEST TO ADD WHAT YOU WERE SUGGESTING.
THIS IS JUST ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT, OR IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY SEPARATED.
RIGHT? IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY'RE SEPARATED.
IT ALSO DOESN'T SAY THAT THERE'S THREE BIG GARAGES.
THIS THE REVISED, IS THIS THE REVISED TEXT?
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I JUST HAVE TO SAY IT, IT'S ODDLY QUIET IN HERE.SO JUST TO ADD, UM, FOR THE FOLLOWING TEXT MODIFICATIONS, THE FIRST ONE, THIS IS LEFT AS IS AND THEN MAYBE TAD CAN ADD MORE.
SO THIS IS NOT, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS POINT.
SO THE FRONT FACING GARAGE IS SET BACK, MINIMUM 15 FEET, WE WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE.
AND THEN THIS LANGUAGE WOULD BE ADDED, WHICH WOULD SATISFY THE ENCROACHMENT.
SO DOES THIS, UM, OVERRIDE THE TEXT? UM, UNDER FRONT FACING GARAGES? YES.
SO THERE WAS A MOTION OR THERE WAS A FALLING TEXT MODIFICATIONS, WHICH IS THE FIRST ONE.
UM, SO I THINK THERE'S A SEPARATE MOTION FOR THE TEXT MODIFICATION.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, WE WILL NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF, SO THAT MOTION, WE WILL NOT, WE WILL APPROVE ALL THE TEXT MODIFICATIONS EXCEPT THE FIRST ONE AND THEN THE CONDITION WOULD ADDRESS THAT.
SO WE MAKE, SO SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING TEXT MODIFICATIONS.
AND THEN WE, UM, THEN WE DO, WE VOTE ON EACH ONE? WE COULD SAY FOLLOWING TEXT MODIFICATION ACCEPTS THE FRONT FACING OR OUT SETBACK.
JUST, OR JUST, JUST SAY, FOLLOWING TEXT MODIFICATIONS.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THIS? MM-HMM
SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING.
AND WE HAVE TWO ONES IN THE NEXT, UH,
SO I THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THE NUMBERS.
SO I'LL ALSO ACCEPT THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING THREE CONDITIONS.
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GOOD EVENING ALL.UM, I KNOW THIS IS A LATE HOUR, BUT NOTHING LIKE GARAGE SETBACKS TO GET THE BLOOD STIRRING.
UM, AS THE COMMISSION MAY RECALL, COUNCIL MADE IT ONE OF THEIR GOALS TO REVITALIZE METRO CENTER.
UM, THEY FIRST DID THIS BACK AT THE END OF 2023.
FOLLOWING THAT, THE CITY ENGAGED
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A CONSULTANTS SUZAKI TO DEVELOP DESIGN GUIDELINE OR, UM, A VISION PLAN FOLLOWING A ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND CITY COUNCIL ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.UM, THE METRO CENTER REVITALIZATION PLAN WAS ADOPTED AT THE END OF DECEMBER.
SOME OF THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THAT PLAN WERE SUPPORTING EXISTING OFFICE TENANTS THERE TODAY, EMBRACING WALKABILITY AND CREATING CONNECTIVITY, FOSTERING A SENSE OF PLACE AND UNIQUE IDENTITY FOR METRO CENTER, CONSOLIDATING UNDERUTILIZED SURFACE PARKING TO CREATE MIXED USE OPPORTUNITIES, PROVIDING A VARIETY OF HOUSING, UM, NEW OPTIONS, AND THEN CREATING A UNIQUE NATURAL FEATURE IN OPEN SPACE.
UM, THE AREA THE PLAN COVERS IS SOUTH OF BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, WEST OF FRANCE, ROAD NORTH OF BLAZER, AND EAST OF INTERSTATE I TWO 70.
SO THAT INCLUDES THE, UM, METRO CENTER, OFFICE PARK, BUT AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE TECHNICAL PARK.
THE REVITALIZATION PLAN THAT COUNCIL ADOPTED CREATED A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO HELP GUIDE THE VISION.
SOME OF THESE WERE OPEN SPACE MOBILITY AND LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORKS TO FURTHER EXPRESS AND IMPLEMENT THIS VISION.
UM, THE CITY ENGAGED, UH, SUZAKI AGAIN TO DEVELOP DESIGN GUIDELINES.
UM, SO TONIGHT WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR FEEDBACK OR THERE'S NO DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.
IT'S JUST SOME BACKGROUND FOR THE COMMISSION AND TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE.
SO WHEN STAFF AND THE PROJECT TEAM ULTIMATELY COME BACK WITH TO THE COMMISSION WAS SOMETHING TO REVIEW.
WE'VE GOT A LITTLE PRIMER, UM, FOR YOU ALL.
UM, FOR THE GUIDELINES LAST YEAR, THE PROJECT TEAM HELD THREE WORK SESSIONS WITH CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THE FIRST IN APRIL WAS TO REALLY START, START THAT INITIAL VISIONING ACTIVITY AND VISUAL PREFERENCE, UM, WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THE TEAM THEN CAME BACK TO VALIDATE THESE DESIGN FOUNDATIONS AND THEMES.
AND THEN AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, WE DISCUSSED GOAL, GOAL ORIENTED FRAMEWORK, AND THEN A ZONING APPROACH TO THIS.
SUBSEQUENT TO ENGAGING SUZAKI, UH, THE CITY HAS ALSO ENGAGED MCDA MCBRIDE DALE TO HELP WITH THE ZONING COMPONENT OF THIS.
ONE OF THE ITEMS DISCUSSED WITH COUNCIL WAS HOW WE, UM, USE CODE AND GUIDELINES ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.
IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, WE HAVE A VERY PRESCRIPTIVE THICK CODE AND SUPPORTING, UM, DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT COVER STREET SCAPES AND SCIENCE AND OTHER PIECES.
AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BALANCED APPROACH WITH THAT.
AND THE APPROACH IN METRO CENTER THAT WE PROPOSED TO COUNCIL AND THEY SUPPORTED IS A MORE THOROUGH, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINE WITH STRONGER INTENT TO HELP, UM, ENSURE CREATIVITY OR ALLOW CREATIVITY WHILE STILL HAVING ZONING AND USING THE OTHER TOOLS THAT WE HAVE AT THE CITY'S TOOLKIT.
SO OVER THE PAST YEAR WITH THE CONSULTANT TEAMS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO DRAFT DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THEN TAKE THE NEXT STEP TO DO THE ZONING.
SO FIGURING OUT WHAT ARE THOSE TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE PUT IN THE ZONING OR DESIGN BUCKETS WHICH GO TO WHICH AND DRAW THAT LINE.
BUT AGAIN, THE INTENT IS TO, UM, CREATE VEHICLES TO IMPLEMENT THE VISION ESTABLISHED IN THE REVITALIZATION PLAN, AND OF COURSE ENSURE HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND SENSE OF PLACE.
SO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN DRAFTED OR ARE BEING DRAFTED ARE GONNA BE ORGANIZED IN THESE FOUR BUCKETS.
UH, THE DESIGN FOUNDATIONS AND GUIDELINES GOALS ARE REALLY HIGH LEVEL STATEMENTS THAT CAPTURE THE BIG PICTURE VISION FOR METRO CENTER.
THERE ARE DISTRICTWIDE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE PLANNING AREA AND ORGANIZED INTO SITE LANDSCAPE AND PUBLIC REALM AND ARCHITECTURE AND HELP SHAPE THOSE AREAS.
AND THEN A SUPPLEMENTAL ADDITIONAL LEVEL FOR THE DIFFERENT CHARACTER AREAS.
SO, UM, IF SPECIFIC TO DIFFERENT AREAS WITHIN METRO CENTER, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL LEVELS OF GUIDELINES TO HELP SHAPE THAT SPECIFIC PLACE, UM, INTENDED IN THE METRO CENTER VISION.
UM, TO BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THESE, THE DESIGN FOUNDATION'S, ECOLOGICAL URBANISM, BIOPHILIC DESIGN, UM, ORGANIC AND RATIONALISTIC DESIGN.
CITIES FOR PEOPLE AND SPECIAL BUILDINGS ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE LITERATURE AND A BACKGROUND, UM, FOR THE INTENT OF WHAT THE DISTRICT IS.
THOSE WERE USED TO THEN CREATE EIGHT GOALS FOR THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THEMSELVES, FOSTERING SENSE OF PLACE, EXPLORING NATURE-BASED SOLUTIONS, CONNECTING WITH NATURE DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE, UM, DIVERSE EXPERIENCES, DYNAMIC URBAN FORM, ACTIVE, ACTIVE, FLEXIBLE, ADAPTABLE, INCREMENTAL CHANGE PLACES, AND THEN SUPPORTING ECONOMIC AND AND DEVELOPMENT AND METRO CENTER AS AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER.
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THESE TWO, YOU REALLY START TO SEE A THEME, GREEN NATURE PEOPLE EXPERIENCE AND BUSINESS.AND THIS REALLY BEING THE AIM OF WHAT THE GUIDELINES INTEND TO DO.
UM, AND WE HAVE SHAPED THEM AROUND THIS.
SO THE DISTRICT-WIDE RECOMMENDATIONS AND REALLY LOOKING AT THE BUCKETS, THE SITE ARCHITECTURE AND LANDSCAPE, MORE TRADITIONAL WAYS THAT WE PUT RECOMMENDATIONS TOGETHER.
BUT THE FRAMEWORK THAT COUNCIL OF SUPPORTIVE IS DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ARE ORIENTED TOWARDS GOALS.
SO WE'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY TALKING JUST ABOUT WINDOWS OR ROOF TYPES OR PARKING LOT TYPES.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE DESIRED OUTCOME AND LEAVING FLEXIBILITY WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO COME ALONG.
SO IN THESE THREE BUCKETS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO FOCUS TOO MUCH ON THEM, UM, BUT KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THEY WILL BE LAID OUT IN THE PLAN.
EACH OF THOSE BULLETS THAT YOU SAW ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE IS THAT RECOMMENDATION.
THEY'RE SUPPORTED WITH A NUMBER OF BULLETED RECOMMENDATIONS THAT KIND OF GIVE MORE DETAIL ON HOW TO ACCOMPLISH THAT ALONG WITH KIND OF BENCHMARK IMAGERY AND SOME SMALLER INTENTS.
AND THEN I MENTIONED THE CHARACTER AREAS IS WITH, IS THAT ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THERE ARE SIX CHARACTER AREAS.
UM, THE FRANCE ROAD GATEWAY, WHICH IS INTENDED TO BE A THRESHOLD LANDSCAPE, KIND OF A WELCOMING, UM, ENVIRONMENT INTO METRO CENTER.
UM, CREATE VISIBILITY, UM, AND SPARK INTEREST WHILE STILL BEING A GOOD TRANSITION BETWEEN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND THE EXISTING, UM, SINGLE FAMILY OR RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO THE EAST.
THE WATERWAY PARK, UM, WHICH IS INTENDED TO BE THE SOCIAL HUB OF FUTURE METRO CENTER, THE COSWAY RUN, WHICH IS MORE OF A NATURAL RE RETREAT, QUIETER AREA, THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, WHICH IS INTENDED TO PRESERVE DUBLIN'S GREEN AESTHETIC ALONG INTERSTATE TWO 70, AS WELL AS PROMOTE BOLD ARCHITECTURE, UM, AND EMPLOYMENT USES THE DISTRICT STRIPS, WHICH ARE INTENDED TO GUIDE THE TRANSFORMATION OF THIS REALLY AUTOCENTRIC UNCONNECTED, NOT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY TO MORE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT WHILE STILL PRESERVING THE GREEN LANDSCAPE THAT'S OUT THERE AND MAKING IT MORE, UM, USABLE RATHER THAN A BUFFER.
AND THEN THE SOUTHEAST AREA, WHICH IS WEST OF FRANCE, NORTH BLAZER PARKWAY, WHICH IS INTENDED FOR THIS AREA TO REMAIN MORE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL OFFICE, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE COMMUNITY PLANS RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS AREA TO MAINTAIN THAT CHARACTER AND USE.
UM, SO WE'LL SEE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES, UM, THROUGH HERE ABOUT HOW THE DESIGN GUIDES ARE DRAFTED.
EACH CHARACTER AREA HAS A FEW INTENT STATEMENTS THAT ARE EXPANDED UPON, WHICH ARE REALLY THE INTENDED, UM, DESIGN IDEAS FOR EACH OF THOSE CHARACTER AREAS.
AND THEN EACH OF THOSE INTENT STATEMENTS IS GUIDED BY MORE, UH, PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS IMAGERY AND DIAGRAM TO KIND OF HELP, HELP EXPRESS THOSE GUIDELINES.
AND ANOTHER PIECE THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE GUIDELINES AND IN THE ZONING ARE INTERIM CONDITIONS.
I MENTIONED THAT KIND OF ADAPTABILITY, FLEXIBILITY, INCREMENTAL CHANGE.
WE DON'T EXPECT METRO METRO CENTER TO EVOLVE OVERNIGHT, JUST LIKE THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
WE EXPECT CHANGE TO HAPPEN OVER 5, 10, 15, 20 YEARS.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T HINDER EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS THAT IS OUT THERE AND THAT MAKES SURE IT TRANSITIONS PROPERLY.
UM, METRO CENTER HAS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS TODAY.
THERE ARE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE PUDS, OLR AND SOME.
SO THE INTENT IS TO DO AN AREA WIDE REZONING.
THIS FOLLOWS RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE MIXED USE REGIONAL, THE MUR WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED OR ESTABLISHED.
UM, MUR FOUR, WHICH IS LU FARMS, WHICH IS TO THE SOUTHEAST OF HERE, WAS THE FIRST DISTRICT TO BE AREA WIDE REZONED BY COUNCIL.
MUR ONE, WHICH IS THIS AREA WAS ALWAYS PLANNED TO BE STEP TWO.
UM, SO THE MUR FOUR, UM, AND OR MIXED USE REGIONAL MUR RATHER HAS STANDARDS ALREADY FOR MU MUR AND MUR FOUR.
WE WILL BE CREATING, UM, ZONING STANDARDS FOR MUR ONE, SPECIFICALLY MUR FOUR.
I'M JUST GONNA START SAYING LOWLAND FARMS IS INTENDED TO BE LOWER INTENSITY.
UM, NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE LEVEL MUR ONE, WHICH IS METRO CENTER RIGHT, IS INTENDED TO BE MORE MIXED USE, WALKABLE AND COMPACT.
SO VERY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTS.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON UM, KIND OF DISTRIBUTING WHICH, UH, APPLICABLE ZONING REQUIREMENTS SHOULD BE FOR EACH.
YOU CAN THINK ABOUT SOME OF THESE TYPICAL PIECES.
PERMITTED USES GENERAL BUILDING MATERIALS, MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHTS, LOCK
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COVERAGES ARE SOME OF THESE PIECES THAT MIGHT BE IN THE ZONING BUCKET.UM, AND THEN THE CODE ALREADY ESTABLISHES A TWO STEP PLANNING AND REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS PROCEDURES FOR MINOR PROJECTS.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE TODAY.
SO THIS IS REALLY INTENDED TO CREATE A TOOLKIT FOR BOTH STAFF, THE COMMISSION, UM, AND THE CITY TO REVIEW FUTURE PROJECTS.
AND THIS LAYERED APPROACH WHERE ENVISION DUBLIN PROVIDES THAT HIGH LEVEL, UM, ALL ENCOMPASSING, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT REVITALIZATION PLAN ACTS AS ALMOST A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, AND THE URBAN DESIGN FRAMEWORK.
AND THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND ZONING ARE MORE DETAILED SITE ORIENTED, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS AND STANDARDS.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE THE OTHER CITY PLANS AND POLICIES SUCH AS THE SIGNATURE OF REPORT THAT CAN BE USED BY THE COMMISSION AND STAFF AND THE REVIEW OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO IN THE FUTURE AFTER CITY COUNCIL MAKES A REZONING, UH, DEVELOPMENT WOULD COME WITH A CONCEPT PLAN TO THE COMMISSION.
THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO OTHER CONCEPT PLANS WHERE THERE'S NON-BINDING FEEDBACK.
THE COMMISSION SHOULD LOOK AT LAND USE AND DENSITIES, GENERAL SITE LAYOUT, STREET AND CIRCULATION, OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK AND INTEGRATION WITH SURROUNDING USES AND USING THOSE FRAMEWORKS THAT ARE IN THE REVITALIZATION PLAN THAT'S ALREADY ADOPTED.
THE APPLICANT WOULD THEN COME BACK WITH A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE CAN REALLY GO THROUGH DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE ZONING TO LOOK AT ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, BUILDING MATERIALS, OPEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPE AND PUBLIC REALM DETAILS.
THE CODE ALREADY SETS UP A PROCESS FOR SOME MINOR PROJECTS AS WELL THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW TEAM FROM MINOR BUILDING ADDITIONS OR CHANGES TO SIGNS THAT ARE FOR EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THERE'S BEEN ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THROUGH THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE REVITALIZATION PLAN THAT COUNCIL ADOPTED STAFF HAS CONTINUED TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOAS THAT ARE ACROSS THE ROAD, UM, TO UPDATE THEM THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
WE WILL ENGAGE THEM AND PROVIDE KIND OF DRAFT MATERIALS AND SUMMARY BEFORE WE COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR THEIR INPUT.
WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE METRO CENTER, MOA BOARD AND THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE PARK FOR THIS REZONING.
UM, SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO HOLD THOSE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WE ULTIMATELY COME BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THEIR REVIEW OF MATERIAL WHEN STAFF DOES RETURN.
UM, OUR NEXT STEPS, UM, AFTER WE MEET WITH FOLKS AND DRAFT THE MATERIAL, THERE WILL BE DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE MUR ONE ZONING TEXT AND THE MUR ONE REZONING FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW AND MAKE A RE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
WE EXPECT THIS TO TAKE A FEW MEETINGS 'CAUSE THIS WILL BE A LOT OF MATERIAL AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO MEET TONIGHT TO JUST PROVIDE THAT BACKGROUND AND PRIMER TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, AGAIN, NOT ASKING ANY SPECIFIC DE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS OR ASKING FOR FEEDBACK, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ANSWERS THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
MR. WILL, I, I DO WANT TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT BOTH GARY AND I HAVE BOTH PARTICIPATED IN KIND OF LIKE SHAPING THE DESIGN GUIDELINES A LITTLE BIT, GIVING FEEDBACK.
SO WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME INPUT REPRESENTING THIS GROUP, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
I, I HAD JUST HAD A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO, UM, THE MIXED DEVELOPMENT.
IF THERE IS GOING TO BE ANY LIMITATION ON THE, LIKE THAT MIX BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
UM, WE JUST HAVE SO MUCH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT COMING IN AND AROUND OUR COMMUNITY AND AT, AT, AT SOME POINT ALL THINGS CHANGE FOR THE FUTURE.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT, AS YOU STATED 22 YEARS OUT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS IS GONNA HOLD 20 YEARS OUT FROM NOW.
AND SO I PERCEIVE THIS SOMEWHAT REACTIONARY.
I REALIZE THAT THAT IS LAND THAT IS CURRENTLY SITTING UNUSED QUITE HONESTLY WITHIN THOSE BUILDINGS.
BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S STILL A CONCERN I HAVE.
WELL, A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE MIXED USE PROJECTS THAT COME UP AND IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL AND THE OFFICE USE IS COMING DOWN THE ROAD.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF THAT WHEN WE COME THROUGH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
GARY, YOU WANNA? YEAH, KATHY, THANK YOU FOR SERVING AND GOING TO THOSE MEETINGS.
SOUNDS LIKE THERE WERE A LOT OF I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND UM, SO, AND, AND WORKING WITH US TONIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS, UH, ONGOING, UM, EDUCATIONAL FOR ALL OF US AND I THINK THE TOOLKITS ARE GONNA BE QUITE, UM, IMPORTANT TOO FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS US AS WELL TOO.
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KEEP IN MIND WITH THE COMMUNITY APPROACH.I ALSO THINK ABOUT, UH, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE KROGER'S, UM, AND ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE COMING THAT WAY AND ALMOST IT, IT HAS TO KIND OF ALL KIND OF GO TOGETHER IN THAT, UM, ASPECT TOO, YOU KNOW.
CAN I HAVE ONE QUESTION, CHRIS? YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HEARD THE, THE CITY'S WORKING ON OR THE CONSULTANTS ARE WORKING ON THE WATER COURSE AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
AND I KNOW THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ENGINEERING AND WHERE IS THAT IN THE PROCESS? SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE REVITALIZATION PLAN, UM, WAS TO WORK WITH THE MOA TO ACQUIRE THE RESERVES.
SO THE STORM WATER PONDS AND BASINS THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY THAT HAVE A COMMON OWNERSHIP FROM THAT BUSINESS.
MOA TO TAKE, TAKE THOSE ON FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE AS A STEP TOWARDS REIMAGINING AND MOVING THEM, UH, THOSE PONDS SO THAT THERE'S ONGOING, UM, DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY STAFF THAT MOL BAR, MOA BOARD AND PROPERTY OWNERS ON DOING THAT.
UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS HOPEFULLY.
AND TO ADDRESS A COMMENT FROM EARLIER, UM, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE REVITALIZATION PLAN THAT THE CONSULTANT TEAM BROUGHT TO COUNCIL WAS, THERE'S A LOT OF OFFICE OUT THERE TODAY AND SOMETHING THAT'S MISSING IS RESIDENTIAL.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MARKET STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO START WITH RESIDENTIAL AND NEW COMMERCIAL.
BUT THAT IS A TOPIC THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DEAL WITH FROM BOTH THE DESIGN GUIDE AND THE ZONING IS TO HOW TO ENSURE MIXED USE OR IF NOT, NOT EVERYWHERE NEEDS TO BE MIXED USE.
MAYBE SOME BUILDINGS CAN BE RESIDENTIAL, BUT HOW TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BALANCING THAT.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE GOALS THAT COUNCIL FOR THE DESIGN GOALS THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ADD IN THERE IS THAT THIS IS AN EMPLOYMENT FOCUSED DISTRICT.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THOSE EXISTING ASSETS AND THAT THAT NEW CHANGE STILL FOCUSES ON THIS AS AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER, A NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL, THAT WE WANT TO ADD PEOPLE 'CAUSE THOSE CAN HELP SUPPORT THE COMMERCIAL SERVICES THAT PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE ALSO WANT BUT CAN'T GET BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ACTIVITY HAPPENING.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS AND WE WILL OF COURSE ASK YOUR INPUT ON WHEN WE BRING YOU SOME DRAFT MATERIAL.
IT'S HARD TO CONTEMPLATE THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RESIDENTIAL WHEN THERE'S RESIDENTIAL, UH, DIRECTLY ACRO ACROSS FROM THE STREET FROM ALL OF THIS PROPERTY.
I, I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT, YEAH, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS METRO CENTER USED TO BE THE PREMIER OFFICE PARK IN LIKE ALL OF THIS AREA AND YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL OFFICE PARKS, THEY'VE DECLINED BECAUSE THEY'RE AN OLD MODEL, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT IS THE NEW MODEL? AND I THINK THIS PROCESS WAS A VISIONING SESSION TO SAY WHAT'S THE NEW MODEL OF CREATING NO, I I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THIS.
UM, THIS IS, THESE DISCUSSIONS WENT BACK EVEN TO THE TIME I WAS UN PLANNING AND ZONING AND THERE WAS PRESENTATIONS THERE ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE, THE METRO CENTER.
I'M JUST VERY, UM, CAUTIOUS IS THAT, UH, AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S COMING FROM CITY COUNCIL TOO, AS YOU JUST STATED, THAT THEY WANNA HOLD ONTO THAT COMMERCIAL ASPECT.
SO THERE'S A REALLY FINE LINE OF HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL YOU'RE GOING TO INTERMIX WITHIN THIS, THAT IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL WITH THAT TEXT, WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR, WHICH IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL WITH A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL THAT'S BASICALLY RETAIL AND RESTAURANT AMENITIES.
AND I SEE THE SAME THING COMING DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE AREA OVER BY COSTCO THAT WE'RE, THAT'S IN FRONT OF US TOO.
AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL OF WHAT THE TEXT BECOMES FOR THIS AREA BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T ENVISION THAT ANY OF US WANT IT TO BECOME THE SAME THING.
AND YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION WE HAD ON MONDAY NIGHT WITH COUNCIL, AGAIN, IT'S BACK TO THE 60 40 UM, PERCENT IDEA THAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, UM, FO A FOCUS, RIGHT? 60% BUSINESS, 40% RESIDENTIAL.
AND I DON'T, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ENOUGH OFFICE MARKET OUT THERE TO EVER FILL THAT TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP.
AND, AND RIGHT NOW RESIDENTIAL IS EXTREMELY BUOYANT.
THAT AND INDUSTRIAL TEXT, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
SO THAT'S, I AGREE THAT'S EQUALLY KIND OF THE DANGER OF THIS, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND VICKY'S POINT, I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DO, YOU'RE RIGHT, ALL OF THE DEVELOPERS WANNA DO RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S WHAT'S MORE PROFITABLE.
BUT YOU KNOW, IN 12 YEARS IF THAT CHANGES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO BACK AND REDEVELOP THE METRO CENTER AGAIN.
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YEAH, WELL IT SHOULD BE A FLEXIBLE FRAMEWORK THAT YOU CAN ADJUST OVER TIME.THAT'S IDEALLY THAT'S BE THAN 12
WE WON'T GET THROUGH THE FIRST PHASE IN 12 YEARS
AND WE, WE ARE CERTAINLY BEING SENSITIVE TO THAT.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE SOMEWHAT DEPENDENT ON WHICH SUB AREA WE ARE LOOKING AT.
I I THINK ONE THING I WOULD POINT OUT IS BRIDGE PARK ACTUALLY IS ONE OF THE VERY FEW PLACES WHERE UH, COMPANIES ARE STILL BUILDING HEADQUARTERS.
UH, AND I THINK IT IS HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SYNERGY, UH, THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT CRITICAL MASS IN OTHER AREAS WHERE THERE'S MORE MARKET FOR SMALLER OFFICES VERSUS THE, THE BIGGER ONES.
SO AS PART OF THAT PLAN THAT WENT THROUGH THE COUNCIL APPROVAL PROCESS LAST YEAR, THERE WAS A, AS, AS CHRIS MENTIONED, A VERY STRATEGIC LOOK AT THE, HOW THE MARKET GENERATES THE DEMAND FOR THE HIGHER END OFFICE.
NOW I AGREE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND WE DO NEED TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO GO TOO FAR IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE STRATEGICALLY AND ACTIVELY LOOKING AT IS WHAT'S THE DEGREE OF THE MIXED USE, HOW DO WE PREVENT SOMETHING FROM BEING TOTALLY RESIDENTIAL, UM, HOW DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE VERTICAL MIXED USE OR IS THAT DEPENDENT ON THE SUB AREA AS WELL? AND WHAT WE TRYING TO DO, SO, AND AS MANY OF YOU MAY BE AWARE, AND IT CAME UP UH, THE OTHER NIGHT AT COUNCIL, IS WE ARE ALSO LOOKING COMPREHENSIVELY AT THE ZONING CODE WITH THE MIXED USE DISTRICT BECAUSE ENVISION DUBLIN TALKS ABOUT MIXED USE DISTRICTS, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH GUIDANCE IN THE ZONING CODE.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT UNIVERSALLY THAT I THINK IS GONNA ALSO PLUG INTO THIS AS WE GET BACK TO YOU WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
MR. WILL, IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU TONIGHT? IS IT ENOUGH FOR YOU?
THERE IS NO DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.
UM, DEFINITELY MORE DISCUSSION, UM, TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION LATER.
I'M SEEING THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS.
I THINK WE'RE, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
OH, OH, JUST ONE ANNOUNCEMENT, JUST
[COMMUNICATIONS]
TO BE CLEAR.SO, UM, OUR MEETING ON JULY 9TH, I UNFORTUNATELY WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE.
I ALREADY HAD VACATION PLANNED AND UNFORTUNATELY I'M NOT GONNA CHANGE THAT FOR SITTING ON THE BOARD, SO I WILL NOT BE HERE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT GOT SO, SO NOTED
SO JULY 9TH IS OUR NEXT MEETING, BUT I WANTED TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR CALENDAR JULY 16TH, THAT'S THE DATE WE HAVE THE, UH, JOINT TRAINING WITH BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
AND WE ARE WORKING ON AN AGENDA FOR THAT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT, UH, BASED ON THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE HERE LAST YEAR FOR THE TRAINING, IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT, WE WILL WELCOME THAT.
BUT, UH, OTHERWISE WE'LL ALSO SUGGEST SOME THINGS TO YOU.
AND I, I HAVE A QUE SO THE MEETING THAT I HAD IN MY CALENDAR DAY CALLED IT AN ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING.
WAS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETINGS, THE COMMISSION, MY, IN MY CALENDAR, IT, IT SAYS TODAY'S MEETING WAS AN ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING.
AND I JUST WONDERED, DID DID THAT GET PUSHED OFF? IT'S LIKELY BECAUSE APPOINTMENTS WERE MADE AND TERMS BEGAN JUNE ONE.
SO ALL OF THE BODIES HAD ORGANIZATIONAL MEETINGS FOR THAT FIRST MEETING AFTER NEW TERMS BEGAN.
BUT YOUR MAKEUP DID NOT CHANGE AND WE REORGANIZED IN LATE TWO, TWENTY, TWENTY FIVE WHEN MS. CALL LEFT WHEN YOU WERE APPOINTED FOR, YOU AND MR. ALEXANDER WERE BOTH APPOINTED FROM ONE YEAR TERMS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF YEAH, THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL.
SO WE, WE DON'T, I I JUST WAS WONDERING IF THAT IS A MEETING THAT, THAT GOT PUSHED OUT OR SOMETHING TO ANTICIPATE THAT, BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED? WELL, YOU AND MR. ALEXANDER WERE APPOINTED FOR ONE YEAR TERMS, SO, AND WHEN'S THAT UP? WE'LL, WE'LL REVISIT.
UM, LET ME GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
WHEN IS THAT UP? I MEAN, WHEN DID WE DO THAT? NOT, NOT THAT YOU'RE ANXIOUS OR ANYTHING.
BUT, UM, LEMME, LEMME GET BACK TO YOU ON THE DETAILS OF THAT AND IF WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING FURTHER, WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE THAT ACTION.
I, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW I, I'VE LOST TRACK OF THE TIMING OF WHEN DID, WHEN DID WE DO THAT LAST? WAS IT A YEAR AGO? NOVEMBER? NO.
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WE GOT TILL NOVEMBER THEN.ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? COMMUNICATIONS MR. BATAR.