* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S WEBSITE. PLEASE JOIN ME NOW IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES AND CONDUCT ONE NATION UNDER GOD. MS. MAXWELL, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? HERE. MR. CHINOOK? HERE. MS. DAMER. MS. I'M SORRY. HERE. THANK YOU. MR. GARVIN. HERE. MS. HARDER'S. ABSENT THIS EVENING, MS. NEWELL HERE. AND MR. WE HERE. THANK YOU. UM, I [ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES] NOW LIKE TO HAVE ACCEPTANCE OF THE DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, SO I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 21ST PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. MOTION TO ACCEPT. THANK YOU. SECOND. SECOND. MS. MAXWELL. MR. CHINOOK? YES. MR. WE? YES. MS. DAMER? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. GARVIN? YES. MS. NEWELL? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL. WHEN REZONING AND PLOTTING A PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION. IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY. OUR PROCEDURES TONIGHT IS THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION. THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE. ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. PLEASE ENSURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD TO ALLOW ALL A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS AND REFRAIN FROM REPEATING INFORMATION THE COMMISSION HAS RECEIVED ALL OF THE WRITTEN COMMENTS SUBMITTED ON CASES TONIGHT. FOR THOSE IN IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SIDE CONVERSATIONS, APPLAUSE OR AUDIBLE REACTION TO PUBLIC COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS OF COMMISSIONERS, STAFF OR APPLICANTS. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID ON THE RECORD AND THAT ALL HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. THIS PROTECTS THE PROCESS, WHICH IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CONCERNED. I WOULD NOW LIKE TO SWEAR IN WITNESSES TONIGHT. ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT TONIGHT, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THE COMMISSION TONIGHT? YES. YES. THANK YOU. [Case #25-047CP] OUR FIRST CASE IS NUMBER 25 DASH 0 4 7 CP ST. JOHN'S MEMORIAL PRESERVE. IT'S A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND NON BIDING FEEDBACK FOR A NEW MEMORIAL PRESERVE RESIDENCE AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THE TWO FIVE ACRE SITES ARE ZONED R TWO, LIMITED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND R DASH ONE B LIMITED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WTWP, AND ARE LOCATED AT 6 0 4 1 AND 6 0 0 1 RINGS ROAD. THIS APPLICATION PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED AN INFORMAL REVIEW FROM THE COMMISSION PRIOR TO A CODE CHANGE AFFECTING THE PUD APPLICATION PROCESS. THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR THE CONCEPT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THIS EVENING. THERE IS NO VOTE TAKEN ON A CONCEPT PLAN AND THE INFORMATION APPLICABLE TO BOTH CONCEPT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN THIS APPLICATION SUBSTANTIALLY OVERLAP. ALL PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE WELCOMED, UH, PRIOR TO THE PZC DELIBERATION ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN ONLY. SO, MS. HOLT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU NOW FOR YOUR STAFF PRESENTATION ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. AS YOU SAID, THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN. IT IS REQUIRED STEP FOR ALL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, AND THIS IS FOR NON-BINDING FEEDBACK [00:05:01] ON THE PROJECT. THE FOCUS HERE IS COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DETAILS YET. THERE ARE TWO PARCELS INVOLVED AS SHOWN IN THE YELLOW BOX. THE CURRENT ZONING IS R TWO, LIMITED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL AND R ONE B ZONING FROM WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP. THE EXISTING ZONING OF THE CHURCH COMMUNITY GARDENS AND THE BALL FIELD WILL NOT CHANGE. THESE ARE PHOTOS FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF RINGS ROAD. TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT OF THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER, THESE ARE ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD VIEWS FROM EACH SIDE OF RINGS. ROAD 59 65 RINGS ROAD, WHICH IS THE GARRIDO PROPERTY, IS DIRECTLY EAST OF THE PROJECT. THESE PHOTOS SHOW THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE, INCLUDING AT KRAMER DITCH, A GENERAL REVIEW, GENERAL VIEW OF THE SITE, AND THEN AT THE CLOSEST POINT TO THE GARRIDO PROPERTY. ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE, ENVISION DUBLIN IS OUR COMMUNITY PLAN AND IT GUIDES ALL REZONING ACTIONS. THE FUTURE LAND USE IDENTIFIES THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION AS RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY, WHICH INCLUDES PLACES OF WORSHIP AS SECONDARY USES. THE NOTE HERE STATES THAT WHEN SECONDARY OR SUPPORTING USES MEET THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT, THEY MAY BE PERMITTED AS PRINCIPAL USES THE FUTURE. LAND USE INTENT HERE IS FOR ONE TO TWO STORY BUILDINGS. IN NATURAL SETTINGS, USE IS SET BACK FROM THE ROAD, PASSIVE OPEN SPACE AND A CEMETERY IS A TRADITIONAL USE ASSOCIATED WITH A CHURCH. THEREFORE, STAFF FINDS THAT THE INTENT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE IS MET. AND INFORMAL REVIEW WAS CONDUCTED IN APRIL OF 2024, AND THE COMMISSION COMMENTS AT THAT TIME INCLUDED OVERALL SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT, CONCERN FOR TRAFFIC, AND THE NEED FOR MORE SCREENING AT THE EXISTING RESIDENCE. PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT TIME INCLUDED THE DESIRE TO PRESERVE THE RESIDENTIAL QUALITY ALONG RINGS ROAD SCREENING ALONG RINGS ROAD AND ACCESS TRAFFIC AND PARKING IMPACTS. AT THAT TIME, THE INFORMAL APPLICATION SHOWED JUST A PORTION OF THE CHURCH'S OWNERSHIP, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY DID NOT SUPPORT BECAUSE WE WERE LEFT WITH NON-CONFORMING PARCELS WITHOUT ACCESS. THERE WERE TWO RESIDENCES. THERE WAS CUT THROUGH OR A DIRECT TRAFFIC, A DRIVEWAY FROM THE CHURCH OUT TO RINGS ROAD. THERE WERE NUMEROUS OTHER BUILDINGS, BUT THERE WAS A LARGER BUFFER ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. PROJECTS ARE EXPECTED TO CHANGE THROUGH THE PROCESS. THEY EVOLVE AND GET REFINED IN RESPONSE TO VARIOUS COMMENTS AND ANALYSIS. AND SO TONIGHT'S CONCEPT SHOWS THAT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS BEFORE YOU TO MEET THE ZONING CONCERNS. THERE IS ONE RESIDENCE, WHICH IS THE EXISTING ONE, UH, ONE-WAY DRIVEWAYS ARE SHOWN ALONG RINGS ROAD WITH NO NEW DRIVEWAYS, AND THE ACCESS FROM THE CHURCH HAS BEEN REORIENTED AND WILL SERVE AS THE MAIN ACCESS FOR THE PROJECT. SO THE DISCUSSION QUESTION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS IF THERE IS ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MS. HOL. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONCEPT PLAN, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER SHOT AT THE, UH, PDP, UH, LATER ON. SO ANY QUESTIONS? I'M JUST GONNA OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSION. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BARRING WHAT'S COMING NEXT. SO THANK YOU, DAN. YOU'RE GOOD? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY, GARY. ALL RIGHT. SO NO QUESTIONS. UH, AGAIN, GO BACK TO THE DISCUSSION. UH, QUESTION. UH, DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BEYOND THE INFORMAL DISCUSSION OF APRIL, 2024? MR. ALEXANDER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START US OFF? THE, UM, THE APPLICANT AND ANY APPLICANT IN THIS POSITION IS, [00:10:01] IS THIS IS A DIFFICULT POSITION BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD THAT'S SEATED PRESENTLY, THAT WAS NOT SEATED WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY HEARD. SO TO PRESENT, I, I FIND, AND THE CONCEPT PLAN WAS PRESENTED, THE BOARD GAVE FEEDBACK AT THAT TIME. THE CONCEPT PLAN HAS EVOLVED TO RESPOND TO THAT FEEDBACK, TO RESPOND TO THE FEEDBACK AT THE BOARD AT THAT TIME. SO MY FEELING IS IT'S UNFAIR FOR US TO PROVIDE, AT LEAST ME PERSONALLY, AND IT'S NOT JUST THIS APPLICANT. I THINK EVERY DESIGN PROFESSIONAL ON THIS BOARD HAS BEEN IN THIS POSITION. ANY APPLICANT WHO BRINGS THE SAME CONCEPT TO TWO DIFFERENT BOARDS, I THINK WE HAVE TO RESPECT THE DECISION OF THE EARLIER BOARD IN FAIRNESS TO THAT APPLICANT, BUT ALSO OUTTA RESPECT FOR THE BOARD AND THE PROCESS. SO THAT, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. GREAT. THANK YOU. MR. GARVIN. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO THE CONCEPT PLAN? UH, NO. I WOULD ECHO I WASN'T HERE FOR THE ORIGINAL, UM, DISCUSSION. I THINK WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE NEW DETAILS AND CHANGES, BUT RELATIVE TO THE ORIGINAL, I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MS. NEWELL. I AGREE. WE DON'T NEED TO REPEAT SOMETHING THAT ALREADY HAPPENED, AND I BELIEVE WE'LL ALL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK OUR MIND. GREAT. THANK YOU MR. CHINOOK. YEAH, THANK YOU. AND, AND BEING ONE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT WAS HERE, UH, FOR THE INITIAL REVIEW. I, I FEEL THAT, AND, AND I KNOW WE ADDRESSED IT, THEY'VE RESPONDED, UM, APPROPRIATELY TO OUR COMMENTS, SO I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING TO ADD. I MEAN, WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT THINGS LIKE SCREENING AND ALL THAT, AND I, I FEEL LIKE THIS, THIS PROPOSED PLAN HAS RESPONDED VERY ADEQUATELY AND FAIRLY TO OUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS. GREAT. MS. DEEMER, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TO ANY OF THAT. . OKAY. WELL, GREAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSION. UM, WITH THAT, THERE IS NO ACTION REQUIRED, UH, FOR A CONCEPT PLAN. SO I'M GONNA CLOSE OUT THE CONCEPT PLAN DISCUSSION AND LET'S MOVE ON [Case #25-046Z-PDP] TO THE NEXT CASE. THAT CASE BEING, UH, NUMBER 25 DASH 0 4 6 Z DASH PDP ST. JOHN'S MEMORIAL PRESERVE, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A REZONING FOR A NEW MEMORIAL PRESERVE RESIDENCE AND ASSOCIATED NEW SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THE TWO FIVE ACRE SITES ARE ZONED R TWO, LIMITED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND R ONE B LIMITED SUBURBAN DISTRICT WTWP, AND ARE LOCATED AT 6 0 0 1 AND 6 0 4 1 RINGS ROAD. AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT UP TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION. THE MIC, THE MICROPHONE IS NOT ON YET. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. UH, MY NAME IS, UH, ADAM STEINBRENNER. ADDRESS, 5 5 2 6 CARA COURT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. WELL, GOOD, GOOD EVENING TO ALL OF YOU. UM, MORE SPECIFICALLY, I'M PASTOR ADAM STEINBRENNER. UM, AS I SAID, MY, MY ADDRESS, MY, MY MORTGAGE IS AT 5 5 2 6 CARA COURT, WHICH IS ALSO ONE OF THE FEW PROPERTIES THAT DOES BORDER THE PROPERTY OF ST. JOHN LUTHERAN CHURCH. MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN THAT, I WISH TO BRING YOU ALL GREETINGS THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF THE MORE THAN 450 MEMBERS THAT CALL ST. JOHN THEIR CHURCH HOME WITHIN OUR CONGREGATION. WE OFTEN CALL OURSELVES A CHURCH FAMILY FOR WE SEEK TO LIVE OUT OUR FAITH TO TEACH AND TO SERVE EACH OTHER IN LOVE, RANGING FROM CRADLE TO GRAVE. THIS CONGREGATION HAS EXISTED FOR OVER 170 YEARS AND WELL OVER 100 YEARS AT ITS PRESENT SIGHT. AND THIS EVENING, THE CHURCH FAMILY THAT I SERVE SEEKS TO FURTHER ITS CHRISTIAN CARE FOR EACH OTHER, ESPECIALLY AT THE TIME OF DEATH AND AFTER DEATH. I DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY YOU'VE GIVEN US TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL, AND I'M GONNA TURN THE MIC OVER TO DAVE AT THIS TIME. UH, THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. UH, MY NAME IS DAVE GPO. I'M WITH G TWO PLANNING AND DESIGN. I'M THE, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT, AND WE ARE LOCATED AT SEVEN 20 EAST BROAD IN DOWNTOWN COLUMBUS. 4 3 2 1 5. UH, [00:15:01] OH. ARE WE ABLE TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? THANK YOU, SARAH. UM, OKAY, SO SARAH ALREADY DISCU DISCUSSED THIS, SO I'M NOT GONNA GO TOO IN DEPTH ON THIS SLIDE, BUT, UM, THIS BASICALLY SHOWS THE EXISTING CONTEXT. UH, THE ST. JOHN'S PROPERTY IS ESSENTIALLY LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF RINGS ROAD AND AVERY ROAD. UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS TAKING PLACE ON THE TWO EASTERN PARCELS OF THE ST. JOHN'S. UH, CURRENT PROPERTY TO THE EAST IS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, NORTH ACROSS THE RINGS ROAD, RIGHT OF WAY IS ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH. THERE'S A, UH, A DUBLIN COMMUNITY PARK, AND OBVIOUSLY TO THE WEST OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL ST. JOHN'S PROPERTY. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT. SO BASICALLY, WHAT IS THE MEMORIAL PRESERVE AND WHY DOES THE CHURCH WANT TO DO IT? UH, ESSENTIALLY THIS CHURCH WANTS TO EXPAND THEIR SPIRITUAL CARE BY OFFERING CRADLE TO GRAVE SERVICES, AS PASTOR STATED, UH, CRADLE TO GRAVE SERVICES, MEANING, UM, YOU'RE BORN INTO THE CHURCH THROUGH BAPTISM, YOU GROW IN YOUR FAITH WITH YOUR CHURCH THROUGH YOUR LIFE, AND ULTIMATELY YOU CAN BE LAID TO REST WITHIN THE MEMORIAL PRESERVE, ALL A PART OF THE CONGREGATION. UH, THE CHURCH, UM, HAS PASSION AND FAITH BEHIND THIS MINISTRY. UH, THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS OPERATION, THIS IS NOT A MONEYMAKING SCHEME. THIS IS A PASSION-BASED PROJECT. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY SEEK TO DO SOMETHING VERY INNOVATIVE, VERY UNIQUE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT PEOPLE ASSUME TO BE A TYPICAL CEMETERY. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHY WE'RE CALLING IT A NATURE OR A, A MEMORIAL PRESERVE OR A MEMORIAL GARDEN, IS THAT WE WANT IT MORE ASSOCIATED WITH A PARK. AND I CAN GO MORE INTO DETAIL, UM, AS THE PRESENTATION PROCEEDS. BUT, UH, AS FAR AS THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, THE PROJECT STARTED IN 2023, UH, INTERNALLY WITHIN THE CONGREGATION. UM, THEY'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITHIN THEIR MEMBERS, UH, OF THEIR CHURCH ON WHAT THIS POSSIBLY COULD BE. UH, FOLLOWING THAT, IN 2024 ALL THE WAY TO 2026, THEY'VE HELD, UH, THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, UH, RECEIVING FEEDBACK FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS IN THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I PERSONALLY HAVE MET WITH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THEIR WANTS, WISHES, NEEDS, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS SLIDE BASICALLY REPRESENTS, UM, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WE SEE WHAT PEOPLE TYPICALLY ASSOCIATE WITH A CEMETERY. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, OF, UM, A LOT OF HODGEPODGE DESIGN. THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, NOT A, A FAIR RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE HEADSTONES, UM, OR THE, THE PLACEMENT OF THE HEADSTONES. UM, AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE NOT DOING. ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU SEE A MORE ORGANIZATIONAL APPROACH TO THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT. UM, YOU SEE HEADSTONES, UH, PILLOW, STONES, COLUMN, BARIUMS, ALL HAVING A DESIGN RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH OTHER, FLUSH MARKERS AND MEMORIALS ALL HAVING A RELATIONSHIP. AND YOU CAN SEE HOW, UM, A DESIGN, UM, OF THIS MAGNITUDE COULD BE, UM, BLENDED IN INTO A PARK-LIKE AESTHETIC. AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT THEY'RE GOING FOR. SO AS FAR AS THE DESIGN FRAMEWORK AND HOW THE SITE IS ORGANIZED, UM, I'M GONNA START BY THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE SITE. ON THE UH, NORTHEAST CORNER, YOU'LL SEE AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UH, THAT PLAN IS, UH, THAT HOME IS MEANT TO, TO REMAIN EXISTING. IT IS OWNED, OBVIOUSLY BY THE CHURCH AND WILL REMAIN A CHURCH PROPERTY. IT WILL REMAIN AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT, BUT ALWAYS BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHURCH. UM, WE ARE LEAVING THAT THERE AND LEAVING EVERYTHING ALONG THAT PROPERTY AS IT FRONTS RINGS ROAD, UH, INTACT TO RETAIN THE CHARACTER OF RINGS ROAD. THE EXISTING TREE CANOPY THAT YOU SEE IN GREEN, UM, WE ARE PRESERVING 90% OF THE TREES ON SITE. UH, THAT TREE CANOPY, UM, IS ALSO GOING TO BE LEFT, UH, UNDISTURBED TO PROTECT ALL THE HEALTH OF THE TREES. SO THAT BASICALLY SETS UP THE FRAMEWORK TO WHERE WE CAN HAVE MEMORIAL SPACES DOING. BASED ON THE, UM, EXCAVATING FACTOR OF, OF, UH, MEMORIAL SPACES. WE WANT TO DEFINITELY STAY OUT OF THE, UH, DRIP LINE OF ALL THE TREES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE BLUE IS, UH, THE FLOODPLAIN, WHICH WE ARE ALSO PRESERVING AND STAYING OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN. ON THE EAST SIDE IS AN EXISTING DRIVE THAT'S A DRIVEWAY THAT EXISTED WHEN THERE WAS AT ONE TIME A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT ON THAT PROPERTY. UH, THE CHURCH WOULD LIKE TO REUSE THAT DRIVE AS A PART OF THEIR VEHICULAR, UH, CIRCULATION NETWORK. AND THE BENEFITS OF THAT, UM, ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THE FLOODPLAIN 100% AND REPURPOSE [00:20:01] THAT DRIVE AS A VEHICULAR CONNECTION TO ACCESS SOUTH OF THE KRAMER DITCH FLOODPLAIN. THIS DIAGRAM BASICALLY EXPLAINS THE TRAFFIC AND HOW WE'RE APPROACHING TRAFFIC, UH, DURING FUNERAL SERVICES. UM, THE CHURCH, UH, LIKE WE STATED BEFORE, IS BASICALLY ON THE CORNER OF RINGS ROAD AND AVERY ROAD. IDEALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO FUNNEL THE TRAFFIC OFF OF AVERY ROAD AND THEN DIRECTLY INTO THE CHURCH PARKING LOT FROM THE CHURCH PARKING LOT. THE CHURCH HAS AGREED TO CONSTRUCT A ROAD CONNECTING THE CHURCH PARKING TO THE MEMORIAL PRESERVE. SO IT IS 100% TAKING TRAFFIC OFF OF RINGS ROAD. UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT TEXTS, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO, UM, HOLDING FUNERAL SERVICES BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 9:00 AM AND 4:30 PM WHICH ARE NON-PEAK HOURS, UM, AND ALSO, UH, ON THE WEEKENDS, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T, UH, CONFLICT WITH MASS SCHEDULES. SO, UH, BASICALLY, UM, THE WAY WE ORGANIZE THIS SITE AND THE WAY WE'RE HANDLING THE TRAFFIC AND CIRCULATION, THERE SHOULD BE VERY LITTLE IMPACT TO, UH, RINGS ROAD. UH, FROM A VEHICULAR STANDPOINT, THIS IS OUR SUB AREA PLAN. I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL SUB AREA, BUT BASICALLY I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE GOLD AREAS, WHICH IS THE MEMORIAL SPACES, UM, THOSE SPACES. UH, BASICALLY I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE SPACES AND BASICALLY WHAT'S THE CAPACITY, WHAT CAN THOSE SPACES YIELD, UM, FROM, UH, BURIAL PLOTS FROM COLUMN BARIUMS AND ULTIMATELY, UH, WITH ALL OF THE GR GOLD SPACES THAT YOU SEE THERE TODAY OR ON THIS PLAN, UH, COME TO A TOTAL OF, UH, 2,850 PLOTS AND APPROXIMATELY 120 COLUMN BARIUMS. NOW, I ALSO WANNA REINSTATE THAT THOSE ARE MAXIMUM NUMBERS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE ARE GOING TO, TO COMMIT TO. UH, THAT'S SIMPLY WHAT THIS, UH, PROJECT CAN YIELD, UM, BASED ON THE SPACE. UH, ALSO IN OUR DEVELOPMENT TEXTS, THE COLUMN BARIUM STATE THAT THEY HAVE A MAXIMUM LENGTH OF 20 FEET IN WIDTH, UH, A MAXIMUM WIDTH, UH, OR 20 FEET IN LENGTH, A MAXIMUM WIDTH OF THREE FEET, AND A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF EIGHT. THOSE ARE MAXIMUM. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE SIZE OF THE COLUMN BARIUMS, BUT ULTIMATELY COLUMN BARIUMS COME IN ALL SHAPES AND SIZES AND DEPENDING ON THE DEMAND AND, AND THE MARKETS AT THE TIME, UH, THE CHURCH CHOOSES TO DEVELOP THESE, UH, COLUMN BARIUMS. UM, THEY WANT TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SMALLER COLUMN BARIUM OR A LARGER COLUMN BARIUM. BUT IN, WE ARE NOT INTENDING TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL COLUMN BARIUMS AT THE SIZE THAT'S STATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT. UM, OH, I'M SORRY SIR. CAN YOU GO BACK? UH, ALSO ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION, YOU'LL SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN A, A RED DASH LINE, THAT WOULD BE PHASE THREE. THAT IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE PLOTS AND CALAB BARIUMS ARE, UH, PLACED AS OPPOSED AS IT RELATES TO THOSE NUMBERS. UH, PHASE THREE WILL ONLY BE IMPLEMENTED WHEN PHASE ONE AND TWO NORTH OF THAT ARE REACH FULL CAPACITY. THE CHURCH CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW AVERAGES MAYBE 10 TO 12 SERVICES PER YEAR. UM, SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY SLOW, SLOW PROCESS. UM, SO CHANCES ARE IT COULD BE DECADES BEFORE, UM, ANYTHING IN THAT SOUTHERN PORTION EVER GETS DEVELOPED. AND IN THE MEANTIME, THAT SOUTHERN PORTION IS GONNA BE LEFT AS AN OPEN FIELD. GO AHEAD. UH, FROM A LOT COVERAGE STANDPOINT, UM, THE MEMORIAL SPACES, WHICH YOU SEE IN PINK THERE, UM, THAT REPRESENTS ONLY 3.8 ACRES OF THE TOTAL 10.8 ACRES OF THE SITE. SO THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE WILL BE DEDICATED TO GREEN SPACE OR IN A PARK-LIKE AESTHETIC, UH, AS OPPOSED TO UM, ANY KIND OF MEMORIAL SPACES. UH, THIS IS OUR OPEN AIR CHAPEL. UH, THIS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED PENDING FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TIED TO ANY PHASE, BUT IDEALLY WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS IN THE PROJECT TO HAVE THAT OPTION SHOULD FUNDS BECOME AVAILABLE. BUT IDEALLY WE WOULD LIKE TO PLACE THIS ON THE SITE IN A VERY HIGHLY VISIBLE AREA AND USE IT AS A FOCAL POINT, UM, THAT YOU'LL SEE AS WE PRESENT THE ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN SETBACKS. UM, ALONG RINGS ROAD, WE HAVE A 10 FOOT FLUSH MARKER SETBACK. UH, SO ANYTHING THAT IS FLUSHED TO THE GROUND, BASICALLY NOT VERTICAL, UM, IS PERMITTED OUTSIDE OF 10 FEET FROM THE RINGS ROAD RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEN WE HAVE A 75 FOOT RAISED MARKER SETBACK, WHICH IS REFLECTIVE OF THE [00:25:01] BUILDING SETBACK ACROSS THE STREET, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES. SO ANYTHING VERTICAL HAS TO BE, UM, UH, WITHIN OR OUTSIDE OF THAT 75 FOOT SETBACK, A LONG RINGS ROAD. ON THE EAST SIDE, WE HAVE A 40 FOOT RAISED MARKER SETBACK, UH, THAT, UH, IS ACTUALLY FIVE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF PERMITTED SETBACKS IF WE WERE DOING A SINGLE FAMILY OF HOME. SO, UM, WE ARE, UH, PUT CREATING VERY GENEROUS SETBACKS FOR, UM, THESE AS IT RELATES TO, UH, THE EXISTING ENVIRONMENT. GO AHEAD. THE BUFFER PLAN. UH, ON THE EAST SIDE WE HAVE A BUFFER THAT RANGES FROM SEVEN FEET ALL THE WAY TO 50 FOOT IN WIDTH. UH, THE SEVEN FEET IS, UH, BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE DRIVE. YOU CAN SEE HOW IT KIND OF BOTTLENECKS DOWN FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AGAINST THAT EAST PROPERTY LINE. THAT IS WHERE THE SEVEN FOOT IN WIDTH TAKES PLACE. AND, UH, EVEN WITH THAT SEVEN WIDTH IN PLACE, WE DO HAVE PLANS TO BE ABLE TO DO AN EVERGREEN SCREEN, UH, WITHIN THAT SEVEN FEET, UH, TO BE ABLE TO SHIELD THE VISIBILITY FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO THE MEMORIAL PRESERVE. UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE MAJORITY OF THE BUFFER IS VERY GENEROUS AND AGAIN, GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO 50 FEET IN, UH, WIDTH FROM RINGS ROAD. WE DO HAVE A BUFFER, UM, UH, PROTECT OR SHIELDING THE VIEWS OF ANYTHING RAISED AS FAR AS RAISED MARKERS GO. SO THE IDEA IS WE HAVE THAT, UM, 75 FOOT SETBACK IN ADDITION TO THE BUFFER. SO THE RINGS ROAD CHARACTER WILL NOT BE COMPROMISED. AND ULTIMATELY, UH, THIS PRESERVE WILL PROBABLY NOT BE SEEN FROM THE PUBLIC FROM RINGS ROAD. THIS IS THE RINGS ROAD CHARACTER ON THE LEFT. YOU SEE EXISTING PICTURES OF RINGS ROAD AS IT EXISTS TODAY ON THE RIGHT, UH, SHOWS THE RINGS ROAD CHARACTER AS IT'S FULLY DEV. AS THIS PROJECT IS FULLY DEVELOPED, AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT IMAGE, THERE REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH DIFFERENT. AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT, UM, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE MAINTAINED AND NOT ONLY MAINTAINED, BUT ENHANCED. UM, OUR ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN SHOWS HOW THIS PROPERTY COULD BE DEVELOPED AT FULL BUILD OUT. UH, I WANTED TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS JUST A REPRESENTATIVE OPTION OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE. UM, WE ARE NOT TIED TO THIS, UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A VERY LONG, LONG, LONG PROCESS AND WE CAN'T PREDICT WHAT MARKET DEMAND AND WHAT PEOPLE WILL WANT IN THE FUTURE, ESPECIALLY FIVE, 10, EVEN 50 YEARS FROM NOW. SO, UM, WE DO WANT TO PUT DESIGN GUIDELINES IN PLACE. WE WANT TO GROUP LIKE PHYSICAL USES TOGETHER. SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WANT TO GROUP HEADSTONES COLUMN BARIUMS, UH, FLUSH MARKERS ALL TOGETHER IN AN ORGANIZED DESIGN FASHION. BUT WE WANT TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW THESE SPACES TO GROW ORGANICALLY OVER TIME. SO IT IS KIND OF LIKE A, AN ORGANIZED FLEXIBILITY APPROACH TO DEVELOPING THESE PROPERTY OR THE, THE MEMORIAL SPACES, UH, THAT YOU SEE IN THIS, UH, ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN. THESE ARE SOME 3D IMAGES. UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE DESIGN OF THE ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SET IN STONE, BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO, UM, REITERATE THE DESIGN CONCEPT AS FAR AS HOW IT WOULD, UH, WOULD BE APPROACHED WHEN WE ARE GROUPING THINGS TOGETHER IN AN ORGANIZED MANNER AND HOW IT WOULD FEEL LIKE A PARK AS YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH THIS PROJECT. SO THESE IMAGES THAT YOU SEE ARE THE NORTHERN, UH, HALF OF THE PROJECT RIGHT HERE SHOWS ABOUT MIDWAY THROUGH THE PROJECT AS IT RELATES TO KRAMER DITCH. UM, THIS IS EVEN A BETTER, UM, REPRESENTATION OF HOW THIS CAN, UH, SEAMLESSLY BLEND THE MEMORIAL SPACES AND THE PARK-LIKE APPEARANCE TOGETHER. AND THEN LASTLY, THIS WOULD BE THE SOUTHERN PORTION. THIS IS PHASE THREE AT FULL DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND THEN THIS, UH, ESSENTIALLY WOULD BE THE TRANSITION FROM THE MEMORIAL PRESERVE TO THE PUBLIC PARK TO THE SOUTH. AND WITH THAT, THAT UH, CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION AND I'LL YIELD TO YOU GUYS FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. HOLE. TURN IT BACK TO YOU FOR STAFF PRESENTATION. THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN. SO THIS IS THE NEXT STEP IN THE PUD PROCESS. WE'VE [00:30:01] OBVIOUSLY JUST COMPLETED THE CONCEPT STEP NOW WE'RE REQUESTING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMISSION ON THE REZONING AND THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT RECOMMENDATION GOES TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY MAKE THE FINAL DETERMINATION ON THE REZONING. THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS, AS YOU MIGHT GUESS, THE FINAL STEP. AND THAT'S WHERE THE PROJECT DETAILS ARE SOLIDIFIED. IT IS ALSO A PUBLIC PROCESS. BACK BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, WE PREVIOUSLY SAW THE LOCATION AND THE ZONING, SO I WON'T GO INTO THAT AGAIN. THERE IS AN ERROR ON ONE SHEET OF THE PACKET MATERIALS THAT IDENTIFIES AN ADDITIONAL PROPERTY FOR REZONING. JUST ON ONE SHEET, WE HAVE A RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO FIX THAT BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. WE HEARD AT CONCEPT PLAN THAT ENVISION DUBLIN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE UM, VISION IS MET. THE APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT. UH, THE ONLY THING I WILL ADD HERE IS THAT STAFF ATTENDED EACH OF THE THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS. UM, THE LATEST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON THE 20TH OF MAY DID RESULT IN CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND THE PDP. UM, THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN MADE PUBLIC ON THE WEBSITE AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE RECOMMENDED TO FURTHER RESPOND TO THE DISCUSSION AND THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED AT THAT MEETING. AND AS ALSO MENTIONED, I CAN CONFIRM THAT ALL PUBLIC COMMENT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE. WE SAW THESE PHOTOS ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF RINGS ROAD. I WANNA POINT OUT HERE THAT THE WEST ACCESS TO 60 41 WILL REMAIN. THE SECOND ACCESS TO 60 41 WILL BE SLIGHTLY ADJUSTED IN LOCATION AND MADE ONE WAY AND GATED AND THE EAST ACCESS OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CURB CUT THREE WILL REMAIN AND IT WILL BE ONE WAY AND GATED. THERE ARE SPECIFIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT TEXT ITEMS TO HIGHLIGHT. WE CAN CONFIRM THAT THE MEMORIAL GARDENS ARE FOR USE OF THE CHURCH MEMBERS ONLY, WHICH ADDRESSES CONCERN FOR THE COMMERCIAL USE. UM, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE LIMITED MEMORIAL SERVICE TIMES TO AVOID PEAK HOURS. THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED. THE STRUCTURE NUMBERS AND SIZES ARE INDEED MAXIMUMS. WE NEEDED TO DEVELOP A CONSERVATIVE WORKING ASSUMPTION TO GUIDE CITY ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S WHERE THOSE NUMBERS CAME FROM. MANY OF THE COLUMN AREA WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS IN SIZE AS DESCRIBED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT. AS MENTIONED, THE PHASING IS BASED ON NEED AND AGAIN, CONFIRMING THAT PHASE THREE IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR USE UNTIL PHASES ONE AND TWO ARE FULL. SINCE THE LAST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF GROUND PLOTS HAVE BEEN INDEED CLARIFIED AT 28 50 TOTAL AND THE NUMBER OF COLUM AREA HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO 120 AND KRAMER DITCH AND ITS FLOODPLAIN. THE STORM WATER FEATURES AND THE BUFFERS ARE ALL IN SEPARATE PLANNING AREAS TO ENSURE THEIR GOOD MANAGEMENT. AND WE SAW HOW THE BUFFERS ARE INSTALLED IN PHASE ONE. THIS MAP SHOWS THE SUB AREAS THE APPLICANT, UM, EXPLAINED FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO FROM MORE OF A ZONING POINT OF VIEW. I WANNA GO THROUGH THESE. UM, EACH SUB AREA HAS ITS OWN PERMITTED, USES ITS OWN SETBACKS, HEIGHT LIMITS AND DEFINITIONS THAT WILL APPLY. SO ON THIS GRAPHIC, THE GRAY AREAS ARE THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE PARKING AS MENTIONED. SUB AREA A STAYS AS IS WITH THE CURRENT RESIDENCE. AND USES B ARE THE VARIOUS BURIAL LOCATIONS ALLOWING A VARIETY OF OPTIONS. AS NOTED IN THE TEXT, THE SETBACKS ALONG RINGS ROAD ARE MAINTAINED. EVEN THOUGH THESE ELEMENTS, MEANING RAISED MARKERS ARE NOT STRUCTURES, THEY'RE STILL MAINTAINING THAT FOR, UM, COMMUNITY CHARACTER. THE SETBACKS ON THE EAST SIDE ARE 40 FEET FOR THE RAISED [00:35:01] MARKERS, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN CORRESPONDING HOMES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. THIS AREA ALSO ALLOWS THE CHAPEL MEMORIAL MARKERS AND ART AS FUNDING PERMITS. SUB AREA C IS THE KRAMER DITCH IN ITS FLOODPLAIN, WHICH AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT HAS VERY LIMITED USES BUT DOES ALLOW SOME SCATTER GARDENS AND PRESERVATION OF TREES. D IS FOR THE EAST AND SOUTH BUFFERS. THE EAST BUFFER WIDTH AT THIS LOCATION IS THE TOPIC OF A RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO INCREASE TO FURTHER ADDRESS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY. EAST E IS THE PRESERVED GREEN SPACE USED FOR CHURCH GATHERINGS CURRENTLY, PLUS FUTURE SCATTER GARDENS AND URNS. VERY SMALL COLUMN AREA WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE TOTAL NUMBER OF 120 F IS ONLY FOR STORMWATER FACILITIES. HERE WE SEE THE PHASING AND EACH GRAPHIC SHOWS THE IMPROVEMENTS IN COLOR. THE OTHER PHASES ARE NOTED IN LIGHT GRAY. SO GENERALLY PHASES ONE AND TWO ARE NORTH OF THE RED LINE AND PHASE THREE IS SOUTH. WE'VE SAID THAT PHASE THREE IS NOT USED UNTIL THE OTHER PHASES ARE FULL. AGAIN, THE BUFFERS AND DARK GREEN ARE INCLUDED IN PHASE ONE. PHASE TWO HAS THE NORTHERN MEMORIAL GARDENS SHOWN IN YELLOW. PHASE THREE HAS THE MEMORIAL GARDENS AND THE DRIVEWAY. AND THEN THE CHAPEL CAN BE IN ANY PHASE AGAIN DEPENDING ON FUNDING. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS PRIVATE. THERE ARE NO PUBLIC UTILITIES OR ROADS NEEDED FOR THE, FOR THE PROJECT GOING THROUGH THE ILLUSTRATIVE VIEW, WHICH IS EASIEST MAYBE TO SEE AND INTERPRET THE DIFFERENT SPECIFIC FEATURES. UM, HERE AGAIN CONFIRMING THE PREVIOUS INFORMATION ACCESS IS SHOWN. THE PRIMARY ACCESS IS FROM THE EXISTING CHURCH PARKING LOT ON THE WEST. AND THAT ADDRESSES THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP. AT INFORMAL, NO NEW ACCESS POINTS ARE ADDED. AS I'VE MENTIONED, THE EXISTING POINTS ON RINGS ROAD ARE NOW LIMITED IN DIRECTION AND GATED. THE CHAPEL IS THE ONLY BUILDING ON THE SITE. ITS DESIGN WILL BE REFINED AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. ITS SHOWN WITH SOME LIMITED PARKING AND SOME BURIAL SITES, WHICH ARE PART OF THE TOTAL NUMBER THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED. BUFFERING OCCURS HERE ON THE EAST AND SOUTH EDGES AND THE APPROACHES ARE SHOWN IN THE SKETCHES ON THE RIGHT WE'VE HEARD THAT THE RINGS ROAD CHARACTER WILL REMAIN INCLUDING THE FENCE AND THAT SETBACKS ARE VERY GENEROUS TO KEEP THAT CHARACTER. UM, WE'VE NOTED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR A SECTION OF THAT EAST BUFFER FOR GREATER COMPATIBILITY. THE SOUTH BUFFER IS A MINIMUM OF 20 FEET WIDE PLUS FENCING. TALKING ABOUT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT MORE, 'CAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE, UM, THERE WILL BE A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT COMES BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, UM, BEYOND ANY APPROVALS THAT MIGHT BE EARNED FOR THAT FDP. THERE ARE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS FOR THE ITEMS LISTED HERE ON THE SLIDE. IT'S A RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE ART AND SCULPTURE FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL PROCESS. AS EXPLAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THOUGH THAT WE CHANGED OUR CODE IN 2024 TO ALLOW A BROADER RANGE OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS WHEN THESE REQUESTS ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF A PUD. THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN WORKING VERY WELL AND ANY CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED THAT DON'T MEET THAT ORIGINAL INTENT COME BACK BEFORE THIS COMMISSION IN A PUBLIC PROCESS. THEREFORE, STAFF FINDS THAT ALL CRITERIA ARE MET, MET WITH CONDITIONS [00:40:01] OR NOT APPLICABLE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND BRIEFLY THEY ARE TO CORRECT THAT VICINITY MAP REGARDING THE REZONING, INCREASE THE BUFFER WIDTH ON THE EAST SIDE, MOVE THE EAST DRIVEWAY TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE, AND REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR ART, RELIGIOUS MARKERS AND SCULPTURE. AND WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MS. HOLT. APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I'M GONNA OPEN UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND FOR STAFF. MR. ALEXANDER, WE KIND OF STARTED WITH YOU OUT OF SEQUENCE . ALRIGHT, LET'S START THAT AGAIN. I REALLY JUST HAVE TWO, TWO QUESTIONS. UM, SARAH, THE, THE COUNT FOR THE COLUMN AREA, THOSE STRUCTURES HOLD MULTIPLE, UM, URNS OR CANISTERS. SO IS THE ONE 20 THE NUMBER OF CANISTERS THAT CAN BE STORED OR THE NUMBER OF STRUCTURES THAT CAN HOLD MULTIPLE CANISTERS? IT'S THE NUMBER OF STRUCTURES. OKAY. THEN THE SECOND QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, YOU SAID THE DESI, I KNOW IN YOUR STAFF REPORT YOU HAD SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE MATERIALS USED IN THE CHAPEL DESIGN. GRANTED IT'S VERY PRELIMINARY, YOU SAID THAT IT'LL BE REFINED AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO BUT THEN YOU SAID COULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. SO THE DESIGN COULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. SO EXPLAIN TO ME THE SORT OF DIFFERENCE. SO LIKE AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A, A DIFFERENT DESIGN, HOPEFULLY IT'S MORE COMPATIBLE AND THEN WE MAKE SUGGESTIONS AND THEN YOU ACT ON THOSE IN THE, IN THE STAFF APPROVAL. HOW, HOW, HOW DO YOU SEE THOSE THINGS WORKING? 'CAUSE THEY SOUND SOMEWHAT CONTRADICTORY. SO WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS SETTING THE EXPECTATIONS. AND AGAIN, THINK OF A MAXIMUM ENVELOPE LIKE WE'RE USING FOR THE COLUMN BARRIER STRUCTURES. WE'RE SETTING THIS MAXIMUM SIZE ENVELOPE. WE HAVE A GENERAL SHAPE, WE HAVE A MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WE HAVE SOME, UM, MATERIALS IDENTIFIED, WHICH INCLUDES CMU, WOOD METAL, THOSE SORTS OF PRODUCTS. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT THE CHAPEL DESIGN COULD TAKE THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IF APPROVED AND APPLY THAT IN ANY WAY MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT WOULD BE THE ZONING. NOW IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE ANGLE OF THE ROOF AND IT WAS BELOW THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT COULD BE DONE IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE A MATERIAL AND GO FROM CMU TO STUCCO. STUCCO IS NOT MENTIONED AS AN APPROVED MATERIAL. SO THAT WOULD NEED SOME ADJUSTMENT AND PROBABLY SOME KIND OF AMENDMENT. DOES THAT HELP? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. GARVIN. THANK YOU STEPH. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, FIRST I'LL KIND OF DRILL DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE. I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION AS GARY REGARDING THE COLUMN BARIUM. SO I GUESS I'LL MOVE TO THE APPLICANT THEN. WHEN YOU SAY SMALLER COLUMN VARIS, WHAT DO YOU ENVISION FOR THE CAPACITY OF EACH? UH, YEAH, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION QUESTION. UM, SO COLUMN BARIUMS COME IN ALL SHAPES OF SIZES. UM, THEY COME IN ALL DIFFERENT NUMBERS OF NICHES AS ASSOCIATED WITH THE NUMBER OF INTERNMENTS THAT ARE LABELED TO FIT WITHIN THAT COLUMN. BARIUM. UM, SOME COLUMN BARIUMS HAVE A LOT OF NICHES. UM, SOME COLUMN BARIUMS ONLY HAVE TWO. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE FUTURE HOW A TWO PERSON COLUMN BARIUM COULD BE VERY POPULAR FOR A HUSBAND AND WIFE TO BE LAID TO REST TOGETHER. UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT WE WILL HAVE MANY SMALLER COLUMN BARIUMS. SO JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT MAXIMUM SIZE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ANY COLUMN BARIUMS WILL EVER REACH THAT HEIGHT. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I DO WANT TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS A, A SMALL OPERATION. THIS IS ONLY OPEN TO ST. JOHN'S CONGREGATION AND IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. UM, IT NEVER WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THAT'S STATED IN OUR DEVELOPMENT TEXT. [00:45:01] UM, SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE 10 TO 12 FUNERALS PER YEAR. AND REALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE IS IF THEIR CONGREGATION GROWS. SO THIS IS, SO TO HAVE A COLUMN BARIUM AT THE MAXIMUM SIZE THAT WILL JUST FIT TONS AND TONS AND TONS OF INTERNMENTS IN IT IS PROBABLY NOT REALISTIC. BUT WE DO HAVE TO GIVE THE CHURCH THAT FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR COLUMN BARIUMS. THANK YOU. SO HOW MANY INTERNMENT SITES DO YOU SEE IN THE NORTH SECTION IN PHASE TWO TOTAL? UH, THAT'S ALSO UNDETERMINED BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE BASED ON MARKET DEMAND. WE CAN'T ANTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS FROM NOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO BE MEMORIALIZED WITH. UM, SO IT'S VERY HARD TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION AND THAT'S WHY WE DO HAVE THOSE MAXIMUMS IN PLACE AND THAT'S WHY I TALKED ABOUT HAVING THAT ORGANIZED FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THOSE SPACES TO BE ABLE TO, UM, RETAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE DESIGN BUT THEN OFFER THE CHURCH THE FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO ADAPT TO MARKET DEMAND. SO FOR STAFF, WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY'D BE REQUIRED TO HAVE CAPACITY AT PHASE, YOU KNOW, TWO, BEFORE MOVING TO PHASE THREE, WHAT DO YOU ENVISION? IS THERE ANY STIPULATION AROUND WHAT THAT CAPACITY WOULD BE? I'M THINKING HOW WE WOULD TRACK THAT. YEAH. AND I AM SURE THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THAT WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING SOME NUMBERS ON AS TO HOW MANY GROUND BURIALS, MAYBE HOW MANY, UH, COLUMN BARRIER ARE IN EACH AREA. AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. OKAY. AND WE WOULD BE DOUBLE CHECKING THOSE NUMBERS AS TIME MOVES ON, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH ANY OTHER PUD MAKING SURE THAT COMPLIANCE IS ACHIEVED. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE THEN FOR IF THEY WERE ALL GROUND BURIALS, WHAT WOULD THE CAPACITY BE FOR THAT NORTHERN SECTION? UM, AS FAR AS IF THERE WERE NO COLUMN BARIUMS, CORRECT? UH, YEAH, THE MAXIMUM, UH, THE SITE COULD YIELD WOULD BE 2,850 PLOTS. OH, SO THAT WAS JUST FOR THE NORTH OR THAT PHASE ONE? TWO. OH, FOR THE NORTH. YEAH. PHASE ONE AND TWO. UM, YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS OFFHAND. IT WAS ON THAT SLIDE. UM, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND A THOUSAND WOULD BE IN THE, IN THE FIRST HALF AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THE, UH, PLOTS WOULD BE ON THE SOUTHERN HALF IN PHASE THREE. GREAT, THANK YOU. SO I GUESS FOR STAFF THEN, DO YOU AND SORRY TO PING BACK AND FORTH, THAT'S I KIND YEAH, THAT'S FINE. UM, FOR STAFF, DO YOU SEE WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF APPROVING PHASE THREE NOW, WHEN A CONGREGATION OF THAT SIZE MAY TAKE 10 OR 15 YEARS TO GET TO THE POINT OF PHASE THREE, WE WANTED TO SEE HOW THE ENTIRE SITE WAS GOING TO BE USED AND HOW IT WAS GOING TO FIT TOGETHER. AND IT IS A HOLISTIC PROCESS WHERE IF, IF WE GO BACK TO THE DISCUSSION AT CONCEPT PLAN WHERE WE URGED THEM TO BRING IN THE ENTIRE ACREAGE, WE DID THAT. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A LEFTOVER TWO PARCELS THAT COULD NOT MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE CURRENT ZONING. THEY WOULD ALSO BE LANDLOCKED. AND NEITHER OF THOSE ARE GOOD SITUATIONS FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE. UM, SO WE DID WANNA SEE HOW HOLISTICALLY THIS WOULD COME TOGETHER. THERE ARE ALSO, UM, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, AND I'M, I'M OUT OF MY DEPTH HERE, UM, THINGS LIKE STORM WATER AND ACCESS ROUTES, ALL OF THIS WORKS TOGETHER AS A WHOLE. THANK YOU. AND SO, OKAY, DAN, CAN WE COME BACK TO THAT? I SURE. PREVIOUS QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY GRAVE SITES ARE IN, YOU SAID PHASE ONE, PHASE? UH, TWO. ONE AND TWO. OKAY. AND YOU SAID YOU HAVE, THERE'S A SLIDE. YEAH. HAS THAT NUMBER. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT AS WELL. I DON'T WANT TO JUST THROW OUT A NUMBER. I'D RATHER IF YOU HAVE IT ON A SLIDE, UH, I JUST WANNA BE ACCURATE IN. THANK YOU. UH, YEAH, SO IN PHASE THREE ACCOUNTS FOR 68% OF THE PLOTS AND 50%, 58% OF THE COLUMN BARIUMS. SO NOW I'M GONNA HAVE TO DO MY MATH. . [00:50:02] DAN'S DOING THE MATH. ARE YOU AN ACCOUNTANT, DAN? NO. THIS'LL TAKE ME A WHILE. NO, . SO, UM, THE, THE, UH, PHASE THREE HOLDS 1,938 PLOTS OF THE 2,850 PLOTS. OKAY. AND I'M NOT DOING THE MATH EITHER , BUT, OKAY. AND THEN PHASE UH, THREE HOLDS APPROXIMATELY SEVEN COLUMN BARIUMS OF YOUR MICROPHONE WENT OFF. OH, I'M SORRY. NOW WE'RE BACK TO USING THE MAXIMUM NUMBERS. YEAH. COLUMN BARIUMS, UM, PHASE THREE HOLDS 70, UH, COLUMN BARIUMS OF THE 120 PERMITTED. OKAY. AND SO HOW FOR STAFF, I GUESS, HOW DO WE CONSIDER TRAFFIC IF YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW THE DENSITY OF THIS, NOT JUST FOR THE MEMORIAL, THE, YOU KNOW, FUNERAL THEMSELVES, BUT FOR VISITORS EVENTUALLY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, COMING IN AND OUT. IS THERE A WAY THAT THEY CAN, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S NOT MAYBE YOUR PARTICULAR EXPERTISE, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? SO THE, THE FUNERALS ARE EXPECTED TO BE BETWEEN 10 AND 12 PER YEAR. THAT MUCH WE KNOW. UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING TO THIS FACILITY FOR OTHER USES. SO I, I GUESS I'M, WELL PEOPLE WILL SOMETIMES VISIT A, YOU KNOW, GRAVESIDE OF A LOVED ONE, THAT SORT OF THING. MM-HMM . NOW IT DOES SOUND LIKE IT WOULD BE A LONG TIME BEFORE YOU'D HAVE HIGH NUMBERS THERE, BUT I GUESS IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT PHASE THREE IS PRETTY FAR OFF. I UNDERSTAND FROM A PLATE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, BUT I JUST WONDER HOW WE GAUGE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT OVER THAT TIME. SO WE WOULD GO BACK TO THAT ACCESS GRAPHIC AND THE MAIN ACCESS IS THROUGH THE CHURCH PARKING LOT. AND THAT WAS VERY SPECIFICALLY DONE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS AT INFORMAL. AND THOSE WOULD MAYBE BE SIMILAR TO A SUNDAY MASS TRAFFIC FLOW ANYWAY, OR LESS ESTIMATED IN THE TRAFFIC MEMO TO BE EVEN LESS. YEAH. AND THAT WAS FOR A FORMAL SERVICE. IF SOMEBODY'S JUST COMING TO VISIT A LOVED ONE, THAT'S GONNA BE MAYBE ONE OR TWO CARS. OKAY. UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL. OH, ONE MORE SMALL QUESTION. SO IN THAT PHASE THREE, DID I SEE ACCESS TO COLTON BACK PARK, UH, FOR PEDESTRIANS? UH, YES. WE DO HAVE, THAT'S A FINAL PLAN. PROPOSED SIDEWALK CONNECTION TO, UH, THE PARK. UM, THERE IS A PHYSICAL BARRIER OF A FOUR RAIL SPLIT FENCE JUST TO BE ABLE TO SEPARATE THE MEMORIAL PRESERVE FROM THE PARK. BUT ULTIMATELY THAT'S THE ONLY BARRIER THAT WE HAVE AND IT WILL BE A GATED, GATED FENCE. BUT YEAH, WE WILL HAVE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IN BETWEEN THE TWO. OKAY. I GUESS THAT GETS AT WHAT I WAS ASKING, IF IT WOULD BE MEANT TO BE OPEN, MAYBE EVEN POTENTIALLY FOR WALKERS FROM THE PARK TO CUT, TO WALK THROUGH THERE AND CONNECT OTHER PATHS? UM, I BELIEVE THE CHURCH HAS FULL INTENTIONS OF OPENING THIS UP TO THE COMMUNITY DURING, UM, OPERATION HOURS. AND THIS, UH, SITE WILL PROBABLY BE OPERATING JUST AS IF IT WAS A PARK, YOU KNOW, SO FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET IT WILL BE OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND BE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. UM, AS FAR AS FUNERAL SERVICES OR MEMORIAL SERVICES, THAT IS LEFT ONLY TO CONGREGATION MEMBERS. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DAN. MS. DOELL, UH, QUICK COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. SO, UM, YOU STATED THAT ON AVERAGE THERE WERE 10 OR 12 FUNERALS A YEAR. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTING INTERNMENT TO BE WITHIN THIS AREA EQUALLY AS WELL? 'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE AREN'T TURNED AND THERE'S NOT MM-HMM . A FORMAL FUNERAL ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CHURCH CAN GO ON IS PAST HISTORY. UM, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS. UM, I'M SURE THERE WAS PEAK NUMBERS DURING THE, THE PANDEMIC OR ANY KIND OF UNFORTUNATE SITUATIONS, BUT ON AVERAGE, YEAH, IT'S 10 TO 12. OKAY. UM, SO THEY HAVE NO, THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S GOING TO INCREASE, BUT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TYING OURSELVES TO THAT NUMBER, BUT WE'RE JUST GOING ON HISTORICAL NUMBERS. UNDERSTOOD. I'M, I, I REALIZE THINGS CAN CHANGE IN THE FUTURE AND POPULATIONS CHANGE AND SOMETHING. MM-HMM . CAN, YOUR PARISH CAN VERY GROW, BUT I'M TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING IN PERSPECTIVE. SO IF THERE ARE, YOU SAID 1,938 PLOTS AND JUST THAT FRONT, A 10 TO 12 INTERNMENTS PER YEAR, IT WOULD TAKE YOU 161 YEARS TO FILL THAT [00:55:01] AREA. SO IT IS JUST TRYING TO PUT SOME SCALE TO YEAH. WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IN FRONT OF US. UM, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THIS IS, I I STATED THIS IS A SLOW, SLOW, SLOW PROCESS. UM, YOU KNOW, DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE, UH, PUD UM, PROCESS, WE HAVE TO PUT NUMBERS TO IT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE A DESIGN INTACT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN. UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN THIS IS GOING TO DEVELOP VERY SLOWLY OVER TIME. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. DAN, YOU HAD A FOLLOW UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VICKY. YEAH, I GUESS JUST IN LIGHT OF THAT, ON GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE TIMING FOR PHASE THREE, IF IT COULD BE AT THIS RATE AND IT'S EXPECTED TO CONTINUE AS FAR AS WE CAN GUESS THAT IF IT'S A HUNDRED YEARS AWAY, WOULD YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME POSITION ABOUT HAVING PLANS FOR THAT WHERE YOU'D BE ABLE TO THANK YOU? YES. ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GO OFF OF THE PHASING FOR A MOMENT. CAN YOU, CAN YOU CALL UP THAT PHASING PLAN THAT YOU HAD? SO I WAS GONNA ASK A SIMILAR QUESTION. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT BUILD OUT OF THIS WHOLE THING OF 2000 SOME, YOU'RE TALKING NO, 250 YEARS OF BEFORE WE'RE GONNA SEE IS THAT ISH UNDER, I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT NUMBERS, IT'S GONNA BE A VERY, VERY LONG TIME BEFORE WE GET TO THOSE PLOTS ON PHASE THREE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PHASING PLAN, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS FOR YOU, HOW, HOW ARE YOU, IS IS THE PLAN TO DEVELOP AT ALL, AND THIS I JUST SO WE CAN HEAR AND BE CLEAR, IS THE PLAN TO DEVELOP AT ALL AT ONCE, ARE YOU GOING TO DEVELOP THE PATHS AND DEVELOP THE, THE VEHICULAR ACCESS ALL AT ONCE OR ARE WE TALKING LIKE THOSE, THOSE PATHS AND IN THE SOUTH PORTION, IN THOSE, IN THE, UH, DRIVE LANES THAT'S HAPPENING? I GUESS CAN YOU LET ME, LET ME ASK, PHRASE IT DIFFERENTLY. SORRY. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE TIMING OF ALL THESE PHASES AND HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK? AND PART OF THAT TOO IS WHEN YOU, IF IS HOW, HOW VEHICULAR TRAFFIC'S GOING TO WORK WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT BOTTOM LOOP. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO, OKAY, I'M SORRY, MY MIC TURNED OFF AGAIN. UM, YEAH, SO PHASE ONE, UM, WILL INCLUDE, UH, THE VEHICULAR CIRCULATION NETWORK. UM, AS YOU SEE ABOVE THAT DASH LINE, BELOW THAT DASH LINE WOULD BE PHASE THREE. SO, UM, THEY DO INTEND TO CONSTRUCT, UH, ALL THE ROADS AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY PLAN ON, UH, UH, BUILDING THE DETENTION AS IT RELATES TO PHASE ONE, UM, AND THEN BEGIN THE BURIAL PROCESS ONCE THAT'S COMPLETE. UM, ONCE THEY REACH MAXIMUM CAPACITY ON THAT PHASE ONE, THAT WILL BE THE ONLY TIME THAT THEY WILL GO INTO PHASE THREE OR, UH, I'M SORRY, PHASE ONE AND TWO. BECAUSE PHASE TWO INCLUDES THE BURIALS, RIGHT? YES. RIGHT. SO PHASE ONE WOULD BE THE DETENTION WOULD BE CLEANING UP THE FLOODPLAIN WOULD BE, UM, CONSTRUCTING THE ROADS IN VEHICULAR CIRCULATION NETWORK. AND THEN AS YOU GET INTO PHASE TWO WOULD BE, UM, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ALL THE MEMORIAL SPACES. SO ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PHASE ONE, IT SUPPORTS PHASE TWO AND PHASE TWO IS JUST ADDING MORE BURIAL PLOTS. CORRECT. THAT'S THE, THE GRAY COLOR I'M TAKING IT IS THE, WHAT'S BEING BUILT IN THE FIRST PHASE SERVICE PHASE TWO. YES. AND MY QUESTION THOUGH IS ON THAT'S, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU FOR TALKING THROUGH THAT. PHASE THREE THOUGH, WITH, WITH IS THE, I THINK YOU JUST SAID A MINUTE AGO, THE 1900 SOME PLOTS MM-HMM . THAT'S A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW. UH, I MEAN I DON'T WANNA PUT A NUMBER TO IT, BUT I'M SAYING IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY FAR DOWN THE PATH. IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN ANYBODY'S LIFETIME IN THIS ROOM. THAT'S, CAN I, I PLEASE THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S SHOWN IN THE SOUTHERN OR SOUTHERN, I'M SORRY, MS. DAMER, YOUR MICROPHONE'S ON. IT WAS ON. THANK YOU. . THE CIRCULAR DRIVE THAT'S SHOWN IN PHASE THREE WILL NOT BE BUILT UNTIL PHASE THREE. THAT'S CORRECT. PHASE THREE WILL REMAIN AS AN OPEN FIELD UNTIL THE TIME IS RIGHT. OKAY. SO YOU JUST NEED SOME OTHER, SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST GONNA BE OPEN, THERE'S NO PATHS OR ANYTHING? NO. THEY PLAN ON PLANTING A, UH, PRAIRIE SEED MIX, UM, UH, ON ALONG PHASE THREE. UM, AS, AS THEY WAIT NOW THERE MIGHT BE SOME MODE PATHS AND SOME CIRCULATION PATHS WITHIN THAT, UM, WITHIN THAT PHASE. BUT, UH, IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT THEY SAY THAT IT CAN BE, UM, UH, PRAIRIE SEED MIX OR IT CAN BE MANICURED TURF. OKAY. AND AND THAT POTENTIALLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO USE TO, FOR A CONNECTIVITY TO THE PARK, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. SO MY QUESTION THEN FOR STAFF IS, IS THAT GIVEN THAT THIS IS, WE'LL CALL IT 50 YEARS FOR CONVERSATION FROM NOW, IS THAT PART OF THIS, CAN THAT BE PART OF THIS [01:00:01] APPROVAL PROCESS? IS WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT PHASE THREE AREA? SO IT'S NOT JUST SITTING AT, NOT THAT YOU WOULD DO THIS, BUT IT'S NOT SITTING AS DIRT PILES OR SOME POST CONSTRUCTION AREA AS A RESULT OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON PHASE ONE AND TWO. DOES THAT MAKE, DOES THAT QUESTION MAKES SENSE? , I THINK THAT HE JUST SAID THEY'RE GONNA SEED IT. RIGHT MR. BUT UPON YOU'RE GONNA RECEDE THAT AREA. YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE SOME KIND OF A VEGETATED AREA. RIGHT. I KNOW, BUT I GUESS MY, I HEARD THAT, BUT I GUESS IS THAT PART OF THIS IS SHOULD THAT BE PART OF THIS APPROVAL PROCESS THAT THEY WILL DO SOMETHING TO THIS PHASE THREE AREA? IT WILL, IT WILL REMAIN AS IS. THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION IN THE PHASE THREE AREA ACCORDING TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT UNTIL PHASES ONE AND TWO ARE FULL. SO IT REMAINS AS IT IS TODAY. OTHER THAN THAT BUFFER, I GUESS, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS CAN HE, HE JUST NI NICELY DESCRIBED WHAT THEIR VISION IS FOR PHASE THREE. CAN WE PUT THAT AS PART OF THIS APPROVAL THAT PHASE THREE WILL BE MAINTAINED WITH WHATEVER PRAIRIE GRASSES OR WHATNOT, SO IT'S NOT JUST SITTING AS A, YOU CERTAINLY COULD, IT WOULD FALL UNDER OUR NORMAL CODE ENFORCEMENT REQUIREMENTS. SO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE JUST WEEDS AND DIRT AND TRASH AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT IS NORMAL CODE ENFORCEMENT. OKAY. ACTIVITIES. OKAY. AND THEN AGAIN, JUST TOLAR CLARIFY FOR EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, THESE PHASE ONE AND TWO, THE BUILD OUT AND ALL THESE PLOTS AND THE LIKE, THIS IS A VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. DEMI. SIR, I WILL TURN ON MY MICROPHONE. UM, CAN I, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AND I SAW DAD PUT PUTTING ON HIS MICROPHONE. DOES THE TEXT ALREADY HAVE IT IN THAT THERE'LL, IT'LL BE SEATED AND NOT REFUSE. I SAW YOU LOOKING AT THE TEXT. I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING ABOUT IT THAT IT'S ALREADY IN THERE. I REMEMBER READING IT. SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. NO, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. THERE IS, BUT THE TEXT, THE TEXT IS ORGANIZED BY SUB AREAS. OH, THAT'S WHERE I READ IT. I REMEMBER THAT. YEAH. RIGHT. SO MAYBE IT DOES NEED TO BE CLARIFIED. SO THE OPEN SPACE IN, 'CAUSE ALL OF THE BURIAL AREAS ARE SUB AREA B. SO THEN THE OPEN SPACE IN THAT SUB AREA, WHICH MAINTAINS THOSE REQUIREMENTS EVEN BEFORE IT IS DEVELOPED OUT WITH BURIAL SITES AND SO FORTH, IS OPEN FIELD SPACES CAN BE A MANICURED LAWN, A NOMO SEED MIX, OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO THAT WOULD APPLY BEFORE THE BURIALS ARE CORRECT. OKAY. UM, AND YOU ANSWERED PART OF THIS QUESTION THAT IT'S INTENDED TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS A PARK. IT CAN BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UM, UH, FOR USE DURING THE HOURS, JUST LIKE A PARK IS, UH, FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET. UM, ALL ARE WELCOME DURING THOSE HOURS. UM, THE ONLY RESTRICTIONS ARE FUNERAL SERVICES OR MEMORIAL SERVICES, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PRESERVE IS, UM, RESTRICTED ONLY TO CONGREGATION MEMBERS, UH, OF ST. JOHN'S LUTHERAN CHURCH. WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING WITH THE GATES ON THE DRIVEWAYS OFF OF RINGS ROAD? THERE'S GONNA BE OPEN OR CLOSED SUNRISE TO SUNSET. THE IDEA IS THAT THEY WILL BE OPEN DURING BETWEEN SUNRISE AND SUNSET, BUT THEN CLOSED, UM, TO RESTRICT ACCESS AFTER SUNSET AT NIGHT. OKAY. DO YOU OR DOES THE CHURCH HAVE ANY SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS PLANNED? THOSE ARE PLANNED. THOSE DETAILS ARE PLANNED TO BE HASHED OUT DURING FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. OKAY. UM, WE'RE JUST NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION YET. WE HAVEN'T STUDIED IT YET, BUT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT. OH, WE'RE DEFINITELY THINKING ABOUT IT. I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF ABOUT IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY ULTIMATE DECISIONS YET ON HOW THAT'S GONNA BE HANDLED. THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE TABLE SOMEWHERE. UM, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY SAMPLE PICTURES OF THE GROUPINGS OF THE COLLUM BAR COLUMN AREA. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT? DID I MISS IT? [01:05:01] I'M JUST, UM, I'M PICTURING A CITY OF STONE STRUCTURES. YEAH. UM, IN OUR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE DO HAVE, UH, CHARACTER IMAGES IN THE PRESENTATION THAT I HAD, I BELIEVE IT WAS ON SLIDE THREE WHEN I WAS COMPARING TRADITIONAL CEMETERIES. RIGHT. VERSUS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. THERE WERE SOME COLUMN BARIUMS IN THOSE IMAGES, AND WE DO IN FACT, UM, HAVE, UH, THAT REFLECTED IN NOT ONLY, UM, ON THOSE CHARACTER IMAGES, BUT ALSO IN OUR PLAN. THAT PARTICULAR IS DESIGNED WHERE THE COLUMN BARIUMS ARE FA ARE ORGANIZED IN A PERPENDICULAR MANNER AND THEN ASSOCIATED WITH SOME BENCHES. UM, THAT KIND OF AESTHETIC WAS REFLECTED IN OUR PLAN, IN OUR CONCEPT PLAN. ARE THERE ANY MAXIMUMS TO HOW MANY OF THESE STRUCTURES CAN BE GROUPED TOGETHER IN A PARTICULAR SQUARE, SOMETHING OR OTHER? WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE MAXIMUMS ON HOW THEY CAN BE GROUPED TOGETHER. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE IN OUR DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT ALL PHYSICAL, UM, LIKE PHYSICAL FEATURES WILL BE GROUPED TOGETHER SUCH AS HEADSTONES, COLUMN, BARIUMS, UH, FLUSH MARKERS. UM, BUT UH, AS FAR AS HOW MANY ARE ALLOWED IN THE SUB AREAS, THERE ARE MAXIMUM NUMBERS WITHIN EACH SUB AREA. SO FOR EXAMPLE, OVER THE ENTIRE SITE, WE HAVE A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF 120 COLUMN BARIUMS ALLOWED. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN PUT 120 ALL IN THE ONE SUB AREA. EACH SUB AREA HAS A MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT TOTAL 120. SO YOU DO HAVE A MAXIMUM AMOUNT FOR EACH SUB AREA? YES. OKAY. YEAH. DO YOU RECALL HOW MANY? UH, PROBABLY DEPENDS ON THE SIZE TOO. WELL, THERE'S A TOTAL OF FIVE DIFFERENT SUB AREAS AND THEY ARE IDENTIFIED, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE, UH, SUB AREA PLAN, WE DO HAVE THAT TEXT AVAILABLE. UM, I'M TRYING TO, LET'S SEE. SO IN, IN ONE SUB AREA, WE'RE ALLOWING, YOU KNOW, 20 COLUMN BARIUMS UP BY A MAXIMUM OF 20 COLUMN BARIUMS UP BY RINGS ROAD. THAT'S AN EXAMPLE. UM, AS YOU GO DOWN TO THE SUB AREAS, UM, ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION, UH, A MAXIMUM OF 50 COLUMN BARIUMS ARE ALLOWED. UM, OH, I I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT I APPRECIATE THE PRESERVATION OF ALL THE CURRENT TREES. OH, THANK YOU. UM, SARAH, YOU HAD, UH, SAID OR STAFF HAS PROPOSED A, UM, CONDITION OF A 20 FOOT BUFFER ON THE EAST SIDE. IS, IS THAT THE SIZE THAT'S SHOWN AS THAT NARROW STRIP. OKAY. IT'S, AND THEN THE WIDER STRIP IS, THE WIDER STRIP IS, IT GOES OUT TO APPROXIMATELY 50 FEET. OKAY. BUT WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT NARROWEST AREA WAS WIDENED A LITTLE BIT, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFER. I JUST NEEDED MY OWN SCALE ADJUSTED BECAUSE OF COURSE IT LOOKS LIKE A MILLIMETER NOW AND I KNOW A MILLIMETER IS NOT WHAT YOU MEANT. UM, ALL RIGHT. I'M GONNA START DRILLING INTO THE 10 TO 12. AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU DON'T WANNA ANSWER THIS, AND IT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR THE PAST OR NOT FOR YOU. UM, WHAT ARE THE DEMOGRAPHICS CHANGES THAT ARE GOING ON WITH THE CHURCH RIGHT NOW? IS THE POPULATION AGING? IS IT INCREASING IN GENERAL? ARE YOU GETTING NEW YOUNG MEMBERS? UH, ST. JOHN IS COMPOSED OF A, A HEALTHY MIX OF ALL GENERATIONS AND AGES. UH, WE REALLY MEANT CRADLE TO GRAVE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A PRESCHOOL AND SO ON, AND, UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S AROUND 10, 12 BURIALS PER YEAR AND NOT EVERYONE, OR 10 TO 12 FUNERALS PER, BUT NOT EVERYONE GETS BURIED AT THAT TIME EITHER. YOU KNOW, I I I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE 10 TO 12 FUNERALS A YEAR, BUT NOT EVERYONE GETS BURIED. IT MIGHT BE, UM, SOMEONE WHO'S HOLDING ONTO THE URN UNTIL THEY CAN BE BURIED TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, I HAVE, I HAVE MEMBERS THAT ARE HOLDING ONTO THEIR SPOUSE RIGHT NOW, UM, WAITING TO BE INTERRED TOGETHER, UM, WHETHER THIS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. UM, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. AND IS THE MEMBERSHIP GROWING? I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. UH, I, I WASN'T, YOU KNOW, FIBBING ABOUT THE FOUR 50. I WAS, I RAISED MY RIGHT HAND. UM, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, OH, I TRUST YOU. IT'S A, IT'S A SOLID, IT'S A SOLID NUMBER. FIND OUT MORE . IT'S A SOLID, UH, NUMBER OF MEMBERS. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO JUST REFLECTIVE OF THIS COLUMBUS AREA SINCE WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE DO JUST ACCUMULATE FOLKS IN THE AREA AND WE WANNA BE A WELCOMING CONGREGATION, YOU KNOW, TO THOSE WHO WANNA MAKE THIS THEIR CHURCH HOME. GREAT. THANK YOU. YEAH, . [01:10:01] THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, MR. COONE, YOU SAID THAT THE, THE RINGS ROAD FRONTAGE USED, THE WORD WOULD BE ACTUALLY ENHANCED, BUT YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO IT. IS THAT CORRECT? I JUST WONDER IF YOU YEAH. COULD CLARIFY THAT STATEMENT WHEN YOU SAID IT WILL BE ENHANCED. YEAH. WHEN I SAY ENHANCED, UM, WE WILL HAVE, UH, SOME ENTRY FEATURES. SO THERE'S EXISTING COLUMNS RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT, UM, THAT KIND OF SADDLE, THAT EXISTING DRIVEWAY. UM, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE CLEANED UP AND, AND REMAIN INTACT. UM, UH, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE FOUR RAIL SPLIT FENCE IS STARTING TO DETERIORATE ALONG ALONG THE, UH, RINGS ROAD RIGHT OF WAY. AND WE'RE, UH, GOING TO BE REHABILITATING THAT. UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING A, UH, UH, PUBLIC SIDEWALK ALONG RINGS ROAD AS WELL. BUT YOU'RE NOT ADDING AN ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE OR ANYTHING ALONG THAT FRONTAGE? IT'S BASICALLY SOME STAYING, THERE WILL BE SOME, OH, I'M SORRY. IT, IT'S JUST STAYING KIND OF LIKE THE WAY IT IS NOW IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPE PLANT MATERIAL. UH, THERE WILL BE SOME SLIGHT, UH, LANDSCAPE ENHANCEMENTS AROUND THE GATES. UM, IT'S GONNA BE MINIMAL. IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULDN'T SEE, UM, UH, UPON AN ENTRY TO A LARGE RESIDENTIAL HOME IN DUBLIN. THANK YOU. UM, COULD YOU DESCRIBE THE, IN, IN MORE DETAIL, THE RINGS ROAD BUFFER THAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED ONE OF THE GRAPHICS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. UM, SO THE WAY IT TURNS OUT, THE BUFFER WILL ACTUALLY BE SET OUTSIDE OF THAT 75 FOOT SETBACK, BECAUSE WITHIN THAT 75 FOOT SETBACK WE HAVE EXISTING EXISTING TREE CANOPIES. AND WE ARE NOT PLANNING TO DO ANY MEMORIAL SERVICES UNDER, OR ANY MEMORIALS UNDERNEATH THAT TREE CANOPY. SO IT'S GONNA BE BEHIND THE EXISTING TREES, BUT IT WILL BE A NATURALIZED BUFFER. IT WILL BE AN EVERGREEN BUFFER, A MIX OF ORNAMENTAL TREES, SHRUBS, EVERGREEN TREES. UM, SO, SO, UM, RIGHT BEHIND IT ARE, IS THE FIRST COLUMN BARIUM. SO, AND IT'S, THOSE ARE EIGHT FEET TALL MAXIMUM? IS THAT, IF I REMEMBER THE TEXT, UH, WELL, ACCORDING, ACCORDING TO THIS PLAN, SO THE 75 FOOT RAISED MARKER SETBACK, TECHNICALLY YES, THEY COULD PUT A, UM, I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULD DO THIS, BUT THEY TECHNICALLY COULD PUT AN EIGHT FOOT, UM, COLUMN BARIUM RIGHT ON THAT 75 FOOT SETBACK. UH, IT IS INTENDED TO SCREEN THAT FROM THE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEN THE SCREEN WOULD BE EXCEEDING THAT EIGHT FEET. THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS, IS THAT BUFFER WILL PARTLY SCREEN THE EIGHT FOOT TALL POTENTIAL COMMON AREA, RIGHT? YES. YEAH, IT WILL BE AT MINIMUM THE HEIGHT OF WHATEVER IT IS SCREENING. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, THE, THE CREEK MM-HMM . IS THE INTENTION THAT YOU ARE GOING TO LEAVE THAT COMPLETELY NATURAL, LET IT EVOLVE HOW IT WANTS TO, FROM A PLANT MATERIAL? IS IT, IS IT JUST GONNA BE LEFT NATURAL? SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO COMPARE IT TO THE PARK-LIKE SETTING, WHICH MM-HMM . AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS RIPARIAN CORRIDOR THAT COMES THROUGH. IS THAT JUST GONNA BE ROUGH AND TUMBLE, WHATEVER GROWS THERE? OR IS IT GOING TO BE MAINTAINED? UH, THE IDEA, THE IDEA, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. IT'S FINE. YEAH. THE IDEA IS TO, UH, MAINTAIN THAT, UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S OVERRUN BY HONEYSUCKLE AND INVASIVE SPECIES AND EVERYTHING, AND THE IDEA IS TO CLEAR THAT OUT. SO ULTIMATELY, YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE AESTHETIC AND FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, IT'S GONNA BE ENHANCED BY CLEARING THAT OUT AND IT'S GONNA BE REPLACED WITH EITHER, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, FLOODPLAIN APPROPRIATE PLANT MATERIAL OR A SEED MIX. SO, UM, SLOPE STABILIZING MATERIAL FOR THE CREEK, IT WON'T ERODE. AND ALL THAT WILL BE PART OF A MANAGEMENT PLAN? CORRECT. OKAY. YEP. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU'RE USING THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY COMING IN AND IS THERE, IS IT SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT IT? IS IT, UH, IT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE FLOODPLAIN AS IS? UM, SO WE ORIGINALLY WERE GOING TO CROSS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE ASSOCIATED WITH OR ON THE, YEAH, ON THE WEST SIDE ALONG THE ST. JOHN'S PROPERTY. AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT PROCESS WOULD REQUIRE US TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, SUBMITTALS AND SURVEYS, UM, AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WOULD'VE CAUSED SIGNIFICANT DELAYS TO THE PROJECT. SO BEING THE FACT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING DRIVE WITH AN EXISTING BRIDGE THAT WE CAN USE AND JUST CROSS OVER, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE USING IT. SO [01:15:01] IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF GETTING APPROVALS? CORRECT. OKAY. BUT ONCE IT GETS OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN, IS THERE ANYTHING UNIQUE ABOUT THAT ALIGNMENT? AND I, I GUESS I'M GOING BACK TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT DRIVEWAY BE MOVED FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT'RE? WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO LOOKING INTO THAT. UM, THE ONLY REASON WE CONTINUED TO, UM, KIND OF HUG THAT PROPERTY LINE DURING THAT STRETCH IS THAT THE PAVEMENT IS ALREADY IN PLACE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ST. JOHN'S WENT THROUGH, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY STICKER SHOCK, BUT THEY COMMITTED TO DOING A LOT OF REALLY EXPENSIVE THINGS TO BE ABLE TO PLEASE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS. AND THEY WERE LOOKING WAYS TO SAVE COSTS. SO MAINTAINING THAT DRIVEWAY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE HELPED THEM CUT COSTS. BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES TO PULL THAT OFF OF THE, OFF OF THAT PROPERTY LINE IN CONDITION FOR APP FOR AN APPROVAL. GREAT. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE OTHER CLARIFICATION, UM, WHICH YOU HAVE UP RIGHT NOW, , THAT WAS CLARIFIED. UM, IN AREA C, WHICH IS LABELED HERE, KRAMER DITCH AND FLOODPLAIN, I THINK YOU CONFIRMED THAT IT HAS SCATTER GARDENS IN IT, WHICH YES, THE REPORT DOES. SO THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IN THE TE NARRATIVE. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT. AND THEN AREA E YOU SAID, COULD ALSO HAVE SCATTERED GARDENS IN IT, BUT THE APPLICANT, THE, THE DRAWINGS DON'T SAY THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. SO MAYBE IT'S A CLARIFICATION. IS AREA EA PLACE THAT THERE'LL BE SCATTERED GARDENS ALSO, EVEN THOUGH THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE SUBMITTED IN THE PACKAGE DON'T LABEL IT THAT WAY? UH, I BELIEVE AREA E DOES HAVE A PERMITTED USE FOR A SCATTER GARDEN. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, ALL SCATTER GARDENS ARE SUBJECT TO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. UM, SO IN THE EVENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE A SCATTER GARDEN IN THERE, UM, IT IS, UH, A PERMITTED USE, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, UM, DESIGNED AT THE MOMENT. YEAH, I, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE DRAWING AND IT'S NOT, THERE'S NO LABELS, BUT SARAH, YOU'RE SAYING THAT UNDERSTOOD, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S PAGE 11 YEAH. OF THE TEXT. YOU'RE RIGHT. JUST TRYING TO MATCH UP GRAPHICS AND MM-HMM . TEXT. MM-HMM . YEP. ALRIGHT. UM, ACTUALLY THAT IS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD COMMISSION. DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS. MM-HMM . AND ONE OF THESE, I THINK YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I WANT TO HEAR THIS ON THE RECORD. DO YOU EVER ANTICIPATE MAUSOLEUM BEING A PART OF THIS? UM, I MIGHT YIELD THAT, UH, QUESTION TO MY CLIENT. UH, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY, UM, DEFINED IN THE TEXT, BUT THAT WOULD BE HOW YOU WOULD DEFINE MAUSOLEUM. SO, WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT GO AHEAD SARAH. YEAH, MR. ALEXANDER. FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, THEY ARE NOT DESCRIBED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, SO WE WOULD NOT SEE THEM AS BEING PERMITTED IF THEY WERE DESIRED AT SOME TIME, THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME KIND OF AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PROBABLY WITH A DEVELOPMENT TEXT AMENDMENT. SO THE LARGEST STRUCTURE IS EIGHT FEET TALL BY THREE FEET WIDE, BY 20 FEET LONG. THAT'S RIGHT. AND HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THE 20 FOOT LENGTH? UM, WELL IT'S, IT IS THE REALITY OF LOOKING AT ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF COLUMBARIUMS. UM, THERE'S COLUMN BARIUMS THAT ONLY ARE FOUR FEET HIGH, BUT 20 FEET IN LENGTH. UM, THERE'S COLUMN BARIUMS THAT ARE ONLY EIGHT FEET WIDE, BUT THEN SIX FEET TALL. SO THEY COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHAPES AND SIZES. AND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT COLUMN BARIUM WE'RE GONNA USE AT THIS STAGE AT THE DESIGN IS, UM, REALLY, REALLY TOUGH TO NAIL DOWN. SO THAT'S WHY WE GAVE THOSE MAXIMUM DI DIMENSIONS. UM, AND THEN STATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT THE INTENTION IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE COLUMN BARIUMS ARE GONNA BE MUCH SMALLER THAN THIS. AND THE LAST QUESTION, ARE THE WALLS OF THE CHAPEL GOING TO BE USED FOR INTERNMENT? THANK YOU FOR ASKING A QUESTION I CAN'T ANSWER ARE GUNSELMAN WITH GUNSELMAN ARCHITECTURE? COULD YOU REPEAT? I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME. COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION SO EVERYBODY COULD HEAR IT? ARE THE WALLS OF THE CHAPEL GOING TO BE USED FOR INTERNMENT LIKE COLUMN BARIUM WALLS? SO, UH, WALLS ARE BEARING WALLS. UM, I DO BELIEVE THERE'S A CALAB BARIUM INSIDE THE CHAPEL, AND IN SOME CASES THERE'LL BE INTERMENT ON THE EDGES OF THOSE WALLS. [01:20:01] SO WILL THOSE WALLS, SINCE THEY'RE PART OF THE STRUCTURE, HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COLUMBARIUM? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE ACTUAL WALLS OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE CHAPEL ARE NOT TO BE USED FOR INTERMENT. THERE ARE SOME COLUMBAR INDICATED AS PART OF THAT CHAPEL AREA. NOW, I MIGHT, I MIGHT BE WRONG ABOUT THAT. AND, UM, THE READING THAT, THE INTERPRETATION THAT I WOULD GIVE IS THAT WE HAVE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF COLUMN AREA IDENTIFIED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, AND THAT'S IT. IF THEY WERE TO EXCEED THAT, THEN AGAIN, WE'RE COMING BACK FOR, YOU KNOW, A PUBLIC PROCESS TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE, WHERE THAT FITS. IS THAT A WALL THAT SHOULD, IF IT HAS INTERNMENT, IT SHOULD BE LESS THAN EIGHT FEET TALL, WHICH LIMITS THE STRUCTURE? UM, IS IT NOT LIMITED BY THAT LANGUAGE? UM, WELL, ONE THING THAT I WOULD NOTE, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THIS DISCUSSION IS WHEN THE CHAPEL IS DEFINED IN THE TEXT AND THE, UH, OH SHOOT. YEAH, BOTTOM OF PAGE SIX, TOP OF PAGE SEVEN IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, IT STATES THAT, UM, USES FOR THE STRUCTURE WILL LIKELY INCLUDE MEMORIAL SERVICES, GATHERINGS, PERSONAL REFLECTIONS, AND CELEBRATIONS OF LIFE. SO I WOULDN'T READ THAT AS INCLUDING INTERATE AS A USE OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF AS WRITTEN. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I ASK. THANK YOU. RIGHT. COMMISSION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. I AM GOING TO THANK YOU APPLICANT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION STAFF. I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP, UH, FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT NOW. SO WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST, PLEASE STEP UP TO THE DAIS, PUT THE MICROPHONE ON WITH THE GREEN LIGHT. UM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND WATCH THE RED LIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. GOOD EVENING, ALL MY NAME IS ED OSTROWSKI. I LIVE AT 61 59 TURVY LOOP WEST IN THE VILLAGE OF B GRIFFIN CONDO DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE THEN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE, THE ROUNDABOUT AREA AND CLOSE, VERY CLOSE TO, BUT NOT AT CONTIGUOUS TO THE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I APPRECIATE YOU FOLKS IN THE JOB. YOU DO. UH, DUBLIN GETS CRITICISM, BUT AS YOU DRIVE SOUTH DOWN AVERY ROAD NOWADAYS, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF THE, OF THE WORK THAT THIS COMMISSION DOES, CONTROLLING DEVELOPMENT. UM, THERE'S A CORRIDOR THERE THAT'S JUST SLATED TO COME NORTH, AND THAT PROSPECT SCARES ME. THAT ASIDE. UM, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF OUR CONDO ASSOCIATION. WE'VE GOT SIX MEMBERS ON OUR BOARD WHERE THE CHURCH HAS REACHED OUT TO US, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. UH, WE HAVE BEEN, UH, CERTAINLY NOT IN OPPOSITION AND MAYBE MILD SUPPORT OF, OF WHAT THE CHURCH HAS PROPOSED. WE FOUND THEM TO BE VERY EASY TO WORK WITH AND RESPONSIVE TO THE CONCERNS WE HAVE, MOSTLY WITH REGARD TO THE TRAFFIC AROUND RINGS ROAD. UH, AND, AND I THINK THAT, UH, THE, THE, THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPOSAL WILL ADDRESS A LOT OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE ABOUT THAT TRAFFIC. UM, THE CHURCH HAS BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR. THEY ALLOW US TO USE THEIR PARKING LOT. THEY ALLOWS US TO USE THEIR, THEIR MEETING ROOMS, WHAT HAVE YOU. UM, THEY HAVE REAL BELLS IN THEIR TOWER. THEY'VE BEEN CONDUCTING FUNERALS FOR THE EIGHT YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED IN THIS CONDO DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT HAS NOT IMPOSED ITSELF ON OUR LIFE AT ALL, OTHER THAN TO PERHAPS REMIND ME OF MY OWN MORTALITY, WHICH IS BOTH GOOD AND BAD, I GUESS. UH, AND SO I AM, I SEE THE CHANGES THAT THEY'VE SUGGESTED AND I, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO BE ALL THAT CONCERNED. I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I DROVE AROUND TODAY, UH, THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SEEING LOTS OF SIGNS SAYING NO TO THE CEMETERY. 'CAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M LOOKING FORWARD HERE TONIGHT IS, IS HEARING WHAT PEOPLE'S CONCERNS ARE. 'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, OUR BOARD AND WE ARE A CANTANKEROUS, OPINIONATED [01:25:01] LOT, A BOARD OF CONDO PEOPLE, UH, WE DIDN'T SHARE THOSE OPINIONS. SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO GET THIS PARTICIPATORY DEMOCRACY HERE. WE WON'T BE ON NEXT DOOR OR ON FACEBOOK. PEOPLE CAN TALK AND TELL US WHAT THEY THINK. AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT PROCESS. I APPRECIATE DUBLIN'S ABILITY TO DO THAT. I, I THINK THIS IS INVALUABLE. UM, I AM ALSO HEARD ABOUT THE, THE POSSIBLE EXTENSION OF EGRESS TO THE, UH, CHURCH FROM AVERY ROAD. THAT IS OF GREAT, UH, SIGNIFICANCE. I THINK YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR, WHICH IS NOW TWO, PERHAPS THREE LANES, IS GOING TO EXPAND SOMEDAY WHEN THERE'S MULTIPLE LANES TO THE SOUTH AND MULTIPLE LANES TO THE NORTH. UH, AND SO HOW RINGS IS A FIXED, FIXED WITHIN AVERY AND HOW TRAFFIC MOVES THERE WILL BE OF GREAT SIGNIFICANCE. SO IF THAT'S PART OF THIS PROPOSAL, GREAT. UH, THAT'S REALLY MY, WOULD BE MY PRIMARY CONCERN. UM, MY THREE MINUTES ARE UP. I'M HAPPY IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IN RESPONSE. IF, IF NOT, I'LL SIT DOWN AND LISTEN. THANK YOU. SURE. THANK YOU COUNSEL. MY NAME IS JVE AL. I LIVE IN BRIGHTON PARK, A COMMUNITY WHICH IS A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED SITE, AND I'M COMPLETELY AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL. THE REASON FOR THAT ONE IS YOU'RE TURNING A RESIDENTIAL AREA INTO A CEMETERY. IT IS GOING TO IMPACT US ECONOMICALLY BY DEVALUING OUR PROPERTIES WILL HAVE A HARD TIME TO SELL OUR PROPERTIES AND IS GOING TO IMPACT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. IT IS ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY DIMINISHED OUR SENSE OF DIGNITY BY REMINDING US ABOUT THE IMMORTALITY OR THE MORTALITY IN THIS CASE. AND ALSO THAT YOU HAVE A STIGMA TO LIVE IN A CEMETERY. I ASK COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THINK ABOUT IT. IF SOMEBODY PROPOSED A CEMETERY NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? IF SOMEBODY GOES IN KAUFMAN PARK AND SAY, WE WANT TO CONVERT THIS INTO A CEMETERY, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? IT SEEMS RIDICULOUS. LASTLY, I'M DISAPPOINTED WITH THE CHURCH SPECIFICALLY THIS PLACE SUPPOSED TO HELP PEOPLE NOT GO AHEAD AND BURDEN THEM WITH THIS KIND OF A STRESS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN MY 12 YEARS HERE IN DUBLIN THAT I SHOWED UP IN THIS, THIS, THIS PLACE TO TALK ABOUT THIS MATTER. BUT THAT'S HOW I FEEL. AND THERE ARE PARKED THERE NEXT TO IT WHERE CHILDREN ARE PLAYING, ATHLETES ARE PRACTICING AND PEOPLE ARE WALKING. AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA PUT A CEMETERY NEXT TO IT. LASTLY, ABOUT THE COUNCIL ITSELF, I'M SURPRISED THAT EVEN CITY OF COUN, CITY OF DUBLIN IS TAKING ON, UH, EVEN RETAINING THIS IDEA. IF THAT'S THE PRIORITIES OF OUR LEADERS, THEN I'M NOT SURE THAT IF THEY HAVE THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS IRAM ALI. I LIVE IN BRIGHTON PARK. THAT WAS MY HUSBAND. UM, I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THIS CEMETERY ON RINGS ROAD. BUT BEFORE I BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE COEXISTED WITH THE CHURCH VERY HAPPILY, HAPPILY AND AMICABLY FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS. NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES. SO WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY DOES NOT COME FROM A POSITION OF HOSTILITY. UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM PUT YOURSELVES IN OUR, IN YOUR SHOES. IF YOU HAD A HOME IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WOULD YOU ALLOW THIS PROPOSAL TO GO FORWARD? THIS IS NOT A SIMPLE BLACK AND WHITE DECISION WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT ZONING LAWS AND SAYING YES OR NO. WE MEET THIS CHECKLIST AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE NOT EVEN TALKED ABOUT THE HUMAN ELEMENT OF THE IMPACT OF THIS PROPOSAL. SO NOW I WILL STEP THROUGH OF WHY I'M OPPOSED TO THIS, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK ANY ONE OF US WANTS A MORBID REMINDER OF DEATH EVERY WAKING HOUR OF THE DAY. YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING, THERE'S A CEMETERY, YOU GO TO BED, THERE'S A CEMETERY. YOU COME IN AND OUT OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE IT IS. I AGREE. I MEAN, THAT'S OUR FINAL DESTINATION FOR EVERYBODY. BUT DO WE WANNA BE REMINDED OF THAT? EVERY DAY, MY HUSBAND AND I TAKE A WALK IN THAT PARK RIGHT BEHIND IT. I DON'T WANNA BE THERE WHILE I BETTER WALK OFF THIS HEART DISEASE BEFORE I END UP RIGHT THERE. MY DAUGHTER, I HAVE A, I HAVE A YOUNG DAUGHTER, ALTHOUGH THE [01:30:01] APPLICANT HERE SAID THAT THIS WILL BE ONLY FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE CONGREGATION. WITHIN THE SAME BREATH, HE GOES ON TO SAY, THIS PARK WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. HOW DO I KNOW WHO'S COMING INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? AND EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY YOU'RE DIRECTING TRAFFIC FROM THE CHURCH, WHO'S TO SAY THEY'RE NOT GONNA CIRCUMVENT THAT AND COME THROUGH RINGS ROAD TO GO TO TUTTLE WHERE ALL THE SHOPS AND ALL THE RESTAURANTS ARE? I DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T WANT A HEARSE DRIVING THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD. ANYTIME YOU HAVE A FUNERAL OR MEMORIAL SERVICE, IT COULD BE 5,000 PEOPLE COMING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT THAT. SECOND OF ALL, AS MY HUSBAND JUST SAID, WE HAVE WORKED, PUT OUR BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS IMMIGRANTS, MANY OF US HERE ARE IMMIGRANTS. WE'VE PUT OUR BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS TO BUILD THAT PROPERTY TO IMPROVE IT. THE PROPERTY VALUES, WE ARE FACED WITH A COMPLETE DECIMATION OF THE PROPERTY VALUE BECAUSE OF THIS PROPOSAL. THAT IS NOT ONLY HEARTBREAKING, BUT IT IS INFURIATING. THE OTHER ASPECT THAT NO ONE HERE HAS TALKED ABOUT IS AS DEAD BODIES ARE EMBALMED WITH FORMALDEHYDE, AND AS THEY DECOMPOSE, THAT'S GOING TO SEEP INTO THE SOIL, INTO THE WATER TABLE CAUSING CONTAMINATION. NO ONE HAS EVEN TALKED ABOUT THAT. SO I WOULD IMPLORE THIS COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER THIS DECISION AND NOT ALLOW THIS TO GO FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MIKE IS ON. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR. AND, OKAY. MY NAME IS BILL YODER. I LIVE AT 56 61 WILCOX ROAD, UH, ABOUT A QUARTER MILE FROM THE SITE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, SINCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CAL BARIUMS, I'LL PUT THIS UP HERE FIRST. WHAT WE SEE IS GOING IN THERE. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE THAT NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE OR NEXT TO YOUR PROPERTY? HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE ARE AGAINST THIS, THIS, UH, CEMETERY? LOOK AT IT. LOOK AT THIS. THERE'S, THERE'S ONE HECK OF A RESPONSE HERE TO THIS. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT WANT THIS. WE DO NOT NEED THIS CEMETERY. WE DON'T WANT TO, WE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE AG AND LOSING VALUES IN OUR OR, OR ALL THE OTHER NEGATIVES HAVE BEEN ALONG WITH CEMETERIES. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYONE FROM STAFF TALK ABOUT THAT, ABOUT THE STUDIES THAT THEY, THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE. SIR, CAN YOU PLEASE, SIR, CAN YOU PLEASE GET, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE YOUR COMMENTS INTO THE MICROPHONE SO THAT THEY'RE PICKED UP FOR THE MINUTES THAT THEY GET PICKED UP FOR THE MINUTES AND SO THAT THE ROOM CAN HEAR THEM. YOU SEE THIS BLUE LINE RUNNING RIGHT? RIGHT THROUGH THE SIDE HERE. THAT'S A STREAM. NOW THEY HAVE IN, THEY'RE PROPOSING IN, IN THEIR CEMETERY, UH, SCATTER GARDENS IN THE, IN THE LOW AREAS AROUND THE STREAM. I EXPECT TO SEE UNCLE JOHNNY GETTING WASHED DOWN THIS STREAM AND MY HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANNA LOOK FORWARD TO. THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULDN'T WANT MY KIDS TO SEE. WE HAVE A PARK. WE HAVE A PARK RIGHT ON THE OTHER END OF THIS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE, THAT IS USED, UH, EXTENSIVELY. KEL PAT KEL BACK PARK, AND IT'S, UH, RUN OUT. IT. MY WIFE'S TELLING ME WE'RE GONNA RUN OUT OF TIME. WELL, YOU HAVE SOME TIME COMING TOO THERE. SO THIS NOTEBOOK, I HAVE MANY MORE COMMENTS. WE'VE DONE INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF STUDY, WHICH SAT NOT INTERESTED IN HEARING. WE WENT OVER AND ASKED HIM, WE SAID, WE SAID, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE PLAN A LITTLE BIT? AND HE SAID, WELL, YOU'VE BEEN HERE ONCE ALREADY. WHAT'S THERE TO TALK ABOUT? WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO THEM. WE HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION. HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE THESE GREEN NOTEBOOKS? I SENT THEM OVER HERE. HAVE YOU READ THEM? IF YOU READ THEM, HOW CAN YOU, UM, HOW CAN YOU CONTEMPLATE? ACTUALLY ALL OF US HAVE THAT. MR. YODER, JUST FOR THE RECORD. YES. YOU WHAT? ALL OF US HAVE THAT. OKAY. EXCELLENT. THERE WAS A LOT OF RESEARCH DONE. TELL HIM ABOUT MR. THE IN THE LIGHT. LATE 1980S, UH, SAW OUR SOUTHWEST AREA RESIDENTS PLAYED AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN SETTING UP DUBLIN TO GROW WESTWARD IN THE 1990S AND AND BEYOND. THE COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS OF OUR NEIGHBORS WITH DUBLIN HELPED CREATE THE FOUNDATION OF DUBLIN EXPANSION. WE WORK TO PRESERVE OUR SAFE, BEAUTIFUL, SINGLE FAMILY [01:35:01] NEIGHBORHOOD BY WARDING OFF THE NEGATIVE COLUMBUS, UH, ANNEXATIONS GROWING STEADILY TOWARD US. IN 1990, OUR NEIGHBORS MET WITH DUBLIN TO CARVE OUT A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE DEAL. IN EXCHANGE FOR DUBLIN'S PROTECTION AND BENEFICIAL AREA ZONINGS, THE NEIGHBORS WOULD GO, GO BEYOND OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONINGS AND BRING IN LAND NEEDED TO COMPLETE EMERALD PARKWAY. THESE LANDS ARE LUCRATIVE TAX ASSETS. AND EMERALD PARKWAY WOULD GROW TO BE A VAL VALUABLE THOROUGHFARE AND BUFFER FOR TO OUR TIERED ZONINGS TO THE WEST. AS RE RESIDENTS REQUESTED, BEFORE THE ANNEXATION WAS FINALIZED, DUBLIN PROVIDED A LAND USE AND ROADWAY PLAN TO PROVIDE INSURANCE THAT DUBLIN WOULD CARRY OUT THEIR COMMITMENTS. A COPY OF THIS PLAN IS SHOWN HERE. SIR, YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE JUST ABOUT UP. IF YOU COULD WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS. EVERYBODY ELSE GOT TIME? WHY DON'T YOU WANNA LISTEN THIS? NO, WE HAVE THREE MINUTES. TELL. SO THIS IS, IT'D BE MY THREE MINUTES. I I'LL START MY, SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS A PROMISE THE CITY MADE TO US THAT, THAT THIS WOULD ALWAYS STAY SINGLE FAMILY. AND IF YOU LOOK AT A MAP, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE HAVE ENTRANCES HERE, STONE ENTRANCE WHERE, UM, NOR STREET AND EVERYTHING EAST OF NOR IS RESIDENTIAL. IF YOU COME FROM THE OTHER WAY, YOU'RE COMING EAST INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU COME OFF THE CIRCLE STONE ENTRY, YOU ARE ENTERING A RESIDENTIAL AREA. WE HAVE, WE HAVE WORKED HARD WITH THE CITY TO HELP TO SOLVE TRAFFIC ISSUES. WE HAVE A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS WHY ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE. WE WENT DOOR TO DOOR AND ASKED THEM, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT HAPPENING? BECAUSE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, I'LL SHOW YOU, IS THIS IS A PROPOSED CEMETERY. THIS WE ARE LIKE A SMALL VILLAGE. WE HAVE UNITY, WE HAVE SAFETY, WE HAVE PLAYGROUNDS THAT BRING LOW TRAFFIC. THIS IS, THIS IS RESIDENTIAL AREA. THEY BOUGHT IT. THEY KNEW IT WAS ZONE LOW. UM, THAT, SORRY, IT'S HARD 'CAUSE I GET EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS. THEY KNEW WHEN THEY PURCHASED THOSE TWO, FIVE ACRE LOTS THAT THEY WERE ZONED RESIDENTIAL. AND IF YOU SELL THOSE, YOU PUT A CEMETERY THERE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE NOW WE DON'T HAVE A CLOSED UNIT OF A, OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING IN AND THE TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE. AND, AND THEN THIS LADY HERE WHO WANTS TO SHARE AN, UH, SHE SAID SHE HAS A THOUSAND FEET FORWARD WITH THE CEMETERY, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU LOSE THAT FIVE ACRES AND YOU LOSE THIS FIVE ACRES. AND NOW THIS WHOLE AREA HAS JUST BEEN DESTROYED. IT WON'T BE RESIDENTIAL. AND THAT WILL IMPACT ALL THESE. SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE TO KEEP THE UNITY. WE HAVE TO PROTECT EVERYTHING. EACH OF THE LORN. THAT CIRCLE HAS TO REMAIN SINGLE FAMILY. IF, IF IT GOES TO A CEMETERY, AND ESPECIALLY A PUD, WHICH GIVES THEM SO MUCH A LEEWAY THAT JUST TO, UM, DO THINGS THAT AREN'T IN MET BY STRICT. LET ME HAVE ONE, LET ME HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE HERE WITH THIS JEAN. OKAY. SEE, SEE THERE. I HAVE ONE MORE. SEE, THERE'S TWO OF YOU. I'M GIVING YOU THE SIX MINUTES. SEE, THANK SO MUCH. I THOUGHT THERE WAS JUST ONE PERSON PRESENTING, BUT NOW YOU'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB. SO, UH, YOU HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE. THIS IS A, UH, LAND USE PLAN THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN EXCHANGE FOR OUR ANNEXATION THAT INCLUDED THE LAND ALONG TWO 70 AND DUBLIN MADE OUT. WELL, THEY MADE A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT. WE NOW HAVE A NICE, UH, CONNECTOR. BUT THIS PLAN WAS PROMISED IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT. UM, AND OF COURSE, THIS IS RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT WOULD GO THROUGH THIS CEMETERY. UH, MR. CAMPBELL, UH, AND CITY COUNCIL PASSED THIS MAP. THIS, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IS STILL AN EFFECT UNLESS THERE'S, IT'S BEEN TAKEN OUTTA EFFECT BY SOME OTHER MEANS. AND I WOULD SAY YOU SHOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IF IT WAS GOING TO BE, UH, IT, IT WAS PASSED. UH, IT SAYS MR. CAMPBELL MOVED THAT THE STATEMENT OF INTENTION OF THE DUBLIN CITY COUNCIL IS AS FOLLOWS WITH THE LAND USE MAP ENTITLED CITY OF DUBLIN, SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN DATED JANUARY 29TH, 1990, [01:40:02] IS HEREBY ADOPTED HIS LAND USE AND ROADWAY PLAN FOR AN AREA NOW WITHIN THE CITY. AND IN UN UNCOOPERATIVE AREAS EXPECTED TO BE ANNEX TO THE CITY. IT IS THE EXPECTATION OF COUNCIL THAT STAFF WILL MEET WITH DEVELOPERS TO REFINE THE PLAN. THAT IT IS THE INTENTION OF THIS COUNCIL TO ENCOURAGE REZONINGS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ADOPTED PLAN FOR SPECIFIC PROPERTIES THAT ALL ZONING REZONING APPLICATIONS FOR PROPERTY ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF TU CROSSING INTERCHANGE DEVELOPMENT PLAN ARE HEREBY ACCEPTED FOR PROCESSING ON THE APPROVAL OF THE ANNEXATION REQUEST BY THE FRANKLIN COUNTY. MR. YODER, YOU'RE, YOU'VE HAD A GOOD SIX MINUTES. SO I'M, THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PRESENT SPEAK TONIGHT, SO APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION, YOUR GRAPHICS. I HAVE, I HAVE LOTS MORE INFORMATION. I JUST HOPE YOU GUYS WILL READ THOSE BOOKS AND YOU'LL SEE REALLY QUICK IT DOES NOT MAKE YEAH, I COULD YOU PLEASE AGAIN, COULD YOU 40 ACRES BUSINESS IS WHAT THANK. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE BOOKS. THE COMMISSION HAS REVIEWED YOUR BOOKS. I'M SORRY. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING US A LITTLE LEEWAY. WE'RE TALKING . THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS MICHAEL TONGUE. I LIVE ON 5 8 0 7 CASTLE KNOCK. UM, AND I WANNA THANK THE YODERS, UH, FOR COMING OUT HERE TONIGHT. THEY DID EXTENSIVE, EXTENSIVE RESEARCH THAT I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO READ, AND ALL OF US IN THE COMMUNITY TO READ EXTREMELY WELL PUT TOGETHER. UM, AND IT DEFINITELY DESERVES MORE THAN SIX MINUTES OF SPEAKING TIME. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CITY DOESN'T SEEM TO CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT THAT. I STAND HERE TO PRESENT SOME CONCERNING EMAILS THAT I DID THROUGHOUT MY RESEARCH, UH, THAT THE PLANNER, MS. SARAH HOLT, UM, I BELIEVE MAKER HER AN UNRELIABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING COMMUNITY. THESE EMAILS HAVE BEEN LEGALLY ATTAINED THROUGH THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT OF THE CITY. AND I BELIEVE THAT SHE REPEATEDLY USES LANGUAGE THAT SHOWS A CLEAR BIAS IN FAVOR OF THE CHURCH, UM, WHICH IN MY OPINION, DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS HER ROLE AS AN UNBIASED PLANNER IN ZONING. AND IN APRIL, 2023, EMAIL TO JENNY ROUSH, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, SHE REFERRED TO THE YODERS AS, QUOTE, DRUMMING UP THE SUPPORT, UM, DRUMMING UP BROADER SUPPORT CONCERNS BASED LARGELY ON MISINFORMATION. SHE CLAIMS IN THE EMAIL THAT THE YODERS USED AN AI AGENT TO COME UP WITH A PROPERTY DEVALUATION OF 12%, WHEN IN FACT THEY DIDN'T. THEY USED A REALTOR.COM STUDY TO CITE THEIR SOURCES. SECONDLY, SHE TELLS HER THAT QUOTE, ALL BURIALS WILL BE NATURAL WITHOUT FORMALDEHYDE AND OTHER CHEMICALS THAT MIGHT LEACH INTO THE NATURAL WATER AND SOIL, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS FACTUALLY INACCURATE BECAUSE THE PLANNER'S OWN DOCUMENTS THROUGH THE PDFS THAT I GOT THROUGHOUT THE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST, SHOWED THAT TRADITIONAL BURIALS WILL BE DONE HERE, WHICH INCLUDE FORMALDEHYDE. AND LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, ON AN EMAIL CHAIN BETWEEN HER AND MANAGEMENT ANALYST, MITCH AMOND, SHE REPEATEDLY TRIES TO GATHER INTEL ON HOW ST. JOHN'S IS FEELING ABOUT THE PROJECT, SAYING TO HIM, QUOTE, IN ALL YOUR DISCUSSIONS, HAVE YOU HEARD ANY RUMORS ABOUT ST. JOHN'S BEING UPSET, CONCERNED WITH HOW THEIR PROCESS IS GOING, AND QUOTE, YES, THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. COULD I SEE THAT MEMO? THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. IT CAME TO ME AS QUOTE, ST. JOHN'S ISN'T HAPPY. I'VE BEEN TAKING EXTRA STEPS TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE. ALL IN ALL, IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT MS. HOLT HAS A BIAS TOWARDS ONE SIDE, AND THAT HER BLATANT DISREGARD FOR SIMPLE FACTS AND CALLING THEM MISINFORMATION DEMONSTRATES THAT SHE'S MORE THAN INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT THE CHURCH IS HAPPY, AS SHE STATED, THEN ENSURING THAT PEOPLE'S CONCERNS ARE PROPERLY ADDRESSED. SO I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE READ EVERYTHING THAT THE ROTORS WROTE, YODERS WROTE DOWN ON THEIR DOCUMENT. IT'S VERY WELL LAID OUT. THERE WERE SOME IMPORTANT POINTS ABOUT HOW THE CITY DOESN'T EVEN PERMIT ZONING, UM, FOR CEMETERIES OUTSIDE OF RURAL DISTRICTS. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT I, THAT'S THAT ALL OF MY TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PLEASE, NO APPLAUSE, PLEASE. AGAIN, IT'S DELAYING THE PROCESS BY ING. LET'S LISTEN TO THE NEXT COMMENT. AM I GOOD TO START? I'M HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT ST. JOHN'S REZONING APPLICATION TO BUILD. WHAT'S YOUR NAME AND WHERE DO YOU LIVE? OH, UH, MY NAME IS KATHY AND I LIVE AT 38 23 QUEEN AND PLACE. THANK YOU. I'M NOT TALKING . I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF ST. JOHN FOR 47 YEARS. DURING [01:45:01] THAT TIME, MY DAD WAS THE PASTOR. FOR 20 YEARS GROWING UP, WE LIVED IN THE PARSONAGE NEXT TO THE CHURCH WHERE THERE IS A HISTORIC CEMETERY NEXT NEAR THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN LEARN A LOT ABOUT HISTORY BY READING THE THOUGHTS AND MESSAGES OF LOVED ONES PUT ON THE GRAVESTONES PER REALTOR.COM. LIVING NEXT TO A CEMETERY ISN'T A GUARANTEED DEAL BREAKER FOR PROPERTY VALUES. MANY BUYERS ACTUALLY SEE THE PERMANENT TRANQUILITY AND LACK OF BUSTLING NEIGHBORS AS A MAJOR BENEFIT. THERE ARE SIX HISTORIC AND ACTIVE CEMETERIES MANAGED BY THE CITY OF DUBLIN. THESE BURIAL SITES ARE DIRECTLY EMBEDDED WITHIN LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS. THE BURIAL GROUNDS SERVE AS QUIET, HISTORIC SANCTUARIES SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S FROM THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S WEST SIDE. THE CITY OF DUBLIN IS AMONG THE SAFEST IN THE STATE BECAUSE IT IS AN AFFLUENT COMMUNITY WITH VERY LOW POVERTY AND VIOLENT CRIMES, EXTREMELY RARE. THE DUBLIN POLICE ARE A NATIONAL BENCHMARK FOR EXCELLENCE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO THE NEIGHBORHOODS WILL REMAIN SAFE. CAMPBELL MERCH STATES MUCH OF THE FEAR ASSOCIATED WITH CEMETERIES STEMS FROM POP CULTURE, POP CULTURE LIKE HORROR FILMS THAT USE GRAVEYARDS AS BACKDROPS FOR HAUNTINGS AND ZOMBIES. HOWEVER, YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THE DAILY NEWS. THERE IS GROWING DATA THAT PROVES WATCHING OR READING THE NEWS CAN IMPACT YOUR MENTAL HEALTH. ON GROWTH THERAPY.COM, A SURVEY OF THERAPISTS SHOW THAT 99.6% BELIEVE THAT NEWS CONSUMPTION CAN NEGATIVELY IMPACT MENTAL HEALTH. WATCHING TV NEWS MAY BE MORE EMOTIONALLY INTENSE. GEOGRAPHIC VISUAL VISUALS WHILE READING NEWS ONLINE CAN LEAD TO ENDLESS DOOM. SCROLLING ALSO PER REALTOR.COM FUNERAL PROCESSIONS, BIRTH MOVERS, VISITORS AND OVERALL MAINTENANCE CAN CREATE NOISE AT TIMES. NOISE CAN HAPPEN IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD. WHETHER YOU LIVE NEXT TO A CEMETERY OR NOT. TODAY WOULD'VE BEEN MY PARENTS' 60TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY. IT WAS THEIR DESIRE TO BE BURIED AT ST. JOHN. I'M REMINDED OF THEM DAILY AS THEIR ASHES ARE CURRENTLY IN MY CLOSET. IT BREAKS MY HEART SEEING THEM THERE INSTEAD OF NEAR THE CHURCH THEY LOVED IN THE PROPOSED MEMORIAL GARDEN. MY FAMILY AND I REQUEST YOU APPROVE THE REZONING APPLICATION SO WE CAN FULFILL OUR PARENTS' WISHES TO BE DELAYED TO REST AT THE PROPOSED ST. JOHN MEMORIAL GARDEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HELLO, I'M SHANNON STEVENSON, PARENT. I LIVE AT 56 80 WILCOX ROAD. UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY MY FIRST TIME REALLY SEEING THIS ENTIRE PROJECT LAID OUT. I'D SEEN PIECES THAT THE YODER HAD COME BY AND SHOWN ME AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT. I THINK WHAT'S SHOCKING TO ME, AND I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHY THIS PROJECT IS COMING OUT SO BIG OUT OF THE GATE, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY MY LARGEST CONCERN, IS THAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO GET AN APPROVAL FOR PLOTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED ARE GONNA TAKE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS TO FILL. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T DO A PARTIAL ENVISIONMENT OF THIS SPACE AND LEAVE THAT MAYBE THIRD PHASE TO BE SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK FOR APPROVAL AT THAT TIME. IT JUST FEELS LIKE THIS IS REALLY LARGE FOR OUR VERY SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE OVER 2,800 PEOPLE INTERNED IN THIS, UM, AREA. SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANTED TO SAY IS JUST TO THINK ABOUT PULLING BACK THIS VERY LARGE APPROVAL INTO MAYBE MORE OF A STEPWISE PROCESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S STEVE MARTIN, 56 85 RINGS ROAD. UM, LIVED THERE SINCE PROBABLY MID EIGHTIES. UM, GOING BACK TO TO TO WHEN WE FIRST BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY, IT WAS JUST A TWO LANE ROAD. UM, DUBLIN HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. OF COURSE, WE HAD A LOT OF SUPPORT BEING MUCH YOUNGER AT THAT TIME FROM BILL YODER WORKING WITH ZONING AND, UH, CREATED A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD, SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD, NICE PARK SPACE, TENNIS COURTS, BASKETBALL COURTS. UH, YOU SEE KIDS PLAYING ALL THE TIME. AT THE END OF THE DAY WHERE I WAS LOST WITH THIS WHOLE PROCESS BEING A RESIDENT ON RINGS ROAD FOR SO LONG, I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS CHANGE OR THIS PLANNING, UH, UH, ZONING APPROVAL, GOING TO COUNCIL. UM, SO I WAS, I WAS A LITTLE TAKEN BACK BY THAT. STARTED IN, UH, 2024 WITH REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. CAN'T SAY THAT WE WERE INVOLVED WITH THAT. UM, BUT THE, THE END OF THE DAY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GREAT. [01:50:01] DUBLIN'S DONE A GREAT JOB AND THEY'VE HAD SOME HELP. BUT AS WE STAND HERE AND YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL THE INTEREST THAT'S SHOWED UP AT THIS MEETING, 97% OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD REJECTS THIS CEMETERIES DON'T BELONG IN NEIGHBORHOODS. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. ST. JOHN'S IS A NICE CHURCH. WE HAVE A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S JUST END OF THE DAY, THERE'S A BETTER PLACE FOR IT SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. HI, I'M MOLLY GARRIDO. UM, 5 9 6 5 RINGS ROAD. I, UM, WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. ON BEHALF OF MY HUSBAND AND I, UM, AND YOUR CONSIDERATION WITH THIS MATTER. UH, FOR CONTEXT, OUR FAMILY HOME OF ALMOST 50 YEARS IS DIRECTLY EAST AND SHARES THE THOUSAND FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT. UM, WE HAVE TO ADMIT, WHEN WE WERE ORIGINALLY, WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED IN ITS INITIAL VERSION, UM, WE WERE OPEN-MINDED TO THIS HEARING AND, UM, SOUGHT TO APPROACH IT WITH A COLLABORATIVE AND CONSTRUCTIVE MINDSET, UM, TO SEE WHAT MIDDLE GROUND COULD BE FOUND THAT WOULD MEET THE NEEDS OF EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, UH, DUE TO THE LIGHTLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE PROPERTY VALUES, UM, IMPACTS INSUFFICIENT CX INSUFFICIENT VISUAL SCREENING FROM RINGS, ROAD FRONTAGE, UM, AND ADJOINING PARCELS ALONG WITH VARIOUS FLOOD PLAIN AND WATER QUALITY CONCERNS. AND THE FACT THAT IT IS PERMITTED USE PER DUBLIN'S OWN CODE, WE CANNOT AND WILL NOT SUPPORT THE REZONING OR PUD OF THIS PROPERTY FOR THIS USE. UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED, THIS OPINION IS NOT AN OUTLIER. UM, AND EVEN IF WE WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE PLAN AND ITS AS IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED, UM, WE WOULD NOT IN GOOD CONSCIOUS SUPPORT IT DUE TO THE GIVEN, SORRY, GIVEN TO THE OVERWHELMING OPPOSITION OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND OUR FELLOW PROPERTY OWNERS AS THE YO HAVE PRESENTED. FINALLY, I HAVE NOT AND WE WILL NOT, UM, BE PROVIDING WRITTEN APPROVAL FOR THE OHIO REVISED CODE. AND EVEN IN LIGHT OF OUR FIRM OPPOSITION, UM, OUR OPINIONS OF THE CHURCH AND THOSE INVOLVED FROM THEIR TEAM REMAIN POSITIVE. UM, WE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF EVERYONE'S EFFORTS AND THE ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE HAD WITH THEM. UM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION AND WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THE PROPERTY THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF BOTH THE CHURCH, UM, WHILE ALSO PROTECTING THE CONTINUED ENJOYMENT OF OUR LAND, OUR PROPERTY VALUE, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DAN LAUGHLIN. I LIVE AT 5 9 9 5 HATHAWAY AVENUE, UH, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE DEVELOPMENT APPROXIMATELY FIVE HOUSES AWAY. UM, I WAS RAISED, UH, CHRISTIAN AND LUTHERAN, SO I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR THE CHURCH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THIS PROPOSAL, I AM VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THIS, UH, ZONING CHANGE AS IT'S ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED. OBVIOUSLY IT'S A HIT ON OUR PROPERTY VALUES. REALTOR.COM SUGGESTS 12%. HOME LIGHT.COM SUGGESTS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 60 HOMES IN BALL GRIFFIN, 98 IN TRINITY PARK AND 70 IN BRIGHTON COMMONS. SO APPROXIMATELY 228 HOMES THAT ARE WITHIN 500 OR WITHIN ONE MILE OF THIS PROPOSED CHANGE. IF THERE'S A 10% REDUCTION IN THE HOME VALUES, JUST SIMPLE MATH TELLS YOU THAT'S GONNA BE GREATER THAN $10 MILLION IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING HOMEOWNERS. THAT IS SOMETHING I'M NOT STOMACHED OR I'M NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT. OBVIOUSLY IT RESULTS IN A LIMITED POOL OF FUTURE BUYER PROSPECTS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. THE HOUSES WILL SIT ON THE MARKET LONGER, APPROXIMATELY 11 TO 50 DAYS ACCORDING TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT STUDIES. THERE'S DISRUPTIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE FUNERAL POSSESSIONS, MEMORIAL EVENTS, CONSTANT VISITORS AND GROUNDS KEEPING, ET CETERA, DESPITE THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO. THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL AND HEALTH CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT TOXIC CHEMICAL IMPACTS [01:55:01] TO THE SOIL AND THE NEARBY WATER SOURCES, ONE OF WHICH RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THAT PROPERTY. THAT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY THE F FUNERAL CONSUMERS ALLIANCE THAT AN EMBALMING FLUID DOES CONTAMINATE NEARBY WATER SOURCES. THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION ABOUT ANY TESTING THAT'S BEEN DONE OR WILL BE DONE. THERE'S ALSO BEEN PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPACTS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED FROM THE CONSTANT STIGMA, STIGMAS OF STAGNANT ENERGY AND THE CONSTANT REMINDER OF MORTALITY, TRESPASSING, AND VANDALISM WILL INCREASE IN THIS AREA DESPITE ANY OF THE, UH, PROVISIONS THEY HAVE PROVIDED TODAY. WHILE IT'S SUGGESTED THAT THE CHURCH MET AND HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH RESIDENTS, I TOO HAVE NEVER BEEN CONTACTED. THE ONLY TIME I RECEIVED A LETTER WAS THE DAY BEFORE THE MEETING ON THE 13TH OR THE 20TH, I'M SORRY, OF MAY. AND IT WAS SLATED FOR THE 21ST TO BE DISCUSSED IN HERE. SO CONVENIENTLY ENOUGH, THEY REACHED OUT TO ME TWO DAYS BEFORE THE HEARING. IN HERE, THROUGHOUT THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED THIS PROPOSAL WILL UNIFY THE CHURCH MEMORIAL PROPERTIES IN NEARBY PUBLIC AREAS. I DON'T BUY THAT. IT'S ALSO BEEN STATED THAT PHASE THREE WILL NOT HAVE ANY CONSTRUCTION DONE ON IT UNTIL PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO ARE COMPLETED, WHICH YOU ALL DID THE MATH AND FIGURED OUT IS IT GONNA BE 50 TO A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE PLANNING TO CONNECT THE PARK LOCATED AT THE SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY WHEN THEY'RE DOING NOTHING ON THE ENTIRE SOUTHERN SECTION OF THIS PROPERTY FOR PHASE THREE. SO IN SUMMARY, CEMETERIES ARE ONE OF THE FEW PLACES WITH THE POSITIONS GUARANTEED IN PERPETUITY, WHICH MEANS ESSENTIALLY FOREVER. THEREFORE, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT DECISION FOR BOTH DUBLIN CITY, THE COUNCIL, AND ALL OF ITS RESIDENTS, OF WHICH I AM CURRENTLY ONE AND I DO NOT ACCEPT THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS RON HARE. UH, MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 61 0 6 TURVY LOOP EAST. WE OWN A A CONDO IN THE VILLAGE OF B BELL GRIFFIN, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE CHURCH. UH, IN MY LIFETIME I'VE OBSERVED THIS. NOTHING IS SO CONSTANT, HAS CHANGE AND, UH, LAND THAT'S NOT BEING ACTIVELY USED FOR SOME USEFUL PURPOSE GENERALLY FINDS A WAY TO BE USED AND, UH, BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M CONCERNED THAT, UH, THE, THE USE OF THE ANY LAND MIGHT WOULD NOT BE OBJECTIONABLE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS PROPOSED USE FOR THE LAND IS THE MOST INNOCUOUS AND PEACEFUL AND NON, UH, INVASIVE, UH, USE THAT COULD BE PUT TO THE LAND. AND, UH, IT ALL SEEMS TO BE VERY, VERY PROFESSIONALLY DONE. AND SO I SPEAK IN, IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ROB ROTS. I'M THE HEAD ELDER AT ST. JOHN. ST. JOHN HAS BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR OVER 150 YEARS AND, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER CAUSED ANY ISSUES IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN. WE'VE BEEN GOOD CITIZENS, WE'VE BEEN GOOD, UH, RESIDENTS. UM, WE'VE SERVED THE COMMUNITY. NOT ONLY DO WE SERVE OUR CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS AT ST. JOHN, BUT WE OPEN OUR CHURCH TO OTHER GROUPS TOO, UM, OF ALL ETHNICITIES. AND SO WE'VE REACHED OUT AND, UM, I'M REALLY CONCERNED BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THIS WAS GONNA BE A LARGE PUBLIC CEMETERY, WHICH IS, YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT WE HAVE 10 TO 12 FUNERALS MAYBE IN A YEAR. UM, SOMEBODY SAID THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A DIFFERENT PLACE FOR A, FOR A CEMETERY. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PROPERTY RIGHT ON AVERY RINGS ROAD, THERE'S A CEMETERY THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. HAS ANYBODY EVER COMPLAINED ABOUT THAT CEMETERY BEING THERE? THAT IT'S HAD SOME TYPE OF EFFECT ON THEM? AND IN FACT, WITH, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR DRAWINGS, OUR, OUR MEMORIAL PARK IS GOING TO BE OFF THE ROAD. IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS VISIBLE AS THAT CEMETERY ON AVERY AND RINGS. IN FACT, WE HAVE ANOTHER CEMETERY ON AVERY THAT WE'VE TAKEN WELL CARE OF OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. AND SO I SEE ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR A CHURCH THAT'S HAD GENERATIONS HERE THAT SERVE THIS COMMUNITY WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS WHY ANYBODY WOULD OBJECT TO THIS. IT'S FOR PRIVATE, IT'S MEMBERS ONLY. IT'S GONNA BE SMALL 10 YEARS. WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAVE 500 PEOPLE IN TURN THERE. IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT TRAFFIC. UM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA EVEN KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. AND THERE'S, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REASON THAT THIS RECOMMENDATION SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED. I THANK YOU FOR THE FINE JOB YOU DO. DUBLIN IS A GREAT PLACE [02:00:01] TO LIVE, BIKE TRAILS, GREEN SPACE PARKS, AND THIS IS JUST GONNA ADD TO THE BEAUTY OF DUBLIN. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. OH, I WAS WAITING FOR THE GREEN LIGHT. SORRY. UM, HI, MY NAME'S CHRISTINE MINTON. I LIVE AT 56 90 WILCOX ROAD. UM, I HAVE LIVED IN MY HOME FOR 15 YEARS. UM, TO COUNTER SOMETHING HE DID JUST SAY, YES, THERE'S A CEMETERY AT THE END OF AVERY AND RINGS THAT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER THAT WAS THERE WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING A CEMETERY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, A COUPLE THINGS. THE CHURCH, I WOULDN'T SAY IS A GOOD NEIGHBOR. THE YODERS COMING TO MY HOME WAS THE FIRST TIME I HEARD ABOUT THIS. AND IT WAS LIKE A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. AND THEN THIS COMMUNITY MEETING THAT HAPPENED ON MAY 20TH, I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT. I CAN WALK IN FIVE MINUTES TO THIS CHURCH AND I HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS GOING ON IN MY OWN BACKYARD. THAT IS NOT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR OR A GOOD STEWARD OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I VERY MUCH ASK YOU TO NOT APPROVE THE REZONING. THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, LOW DENSITY FAMILIES, PEOPLE, WE DON'T EVEN WANT PEOPLE CROSSING THROUGH RINGS ROAD NOW TO CROSS FROM AVERY AND EMERALD. IT'S A SLOW 25 MILE AN HOUR ROAD. WE DON'T NEED MORE TRAFFIC ON IT. YOU CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAVE MORE TRAFFIC. THE FACT THAT THEY'VE HAD THE, THE TRAFFIC COMING INTO, THEY SAY IT'S GONNA COME THROUGH THE CHURCH. THEY CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT IT'S GONNA COME INTO RINGS ROAD. PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME FROM EMERALD OVER ACROSS ALL THESE ROUNDABOUTS THROUGH THE PARKS AND OVER THE SPEED BUMPS, PROCESSIONS OF PEOPLE WE CAN'T CONTROL. THEY CAN'T CONTROL, THEY CANNOT PREDICT THE NUMBERS. ONE THING THAT NOBODY BROUGHT UP, AND I NOT, I DO NOT WANT YOU TO APPROVE THIS, BUT IF THEY DO, WHAT IS THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC GONNA LOOK LIKE? WHERE IS THAT COMING IN AND OUT OF? WHO ARE WHERE, HOW ARE WE GONNA GUARANTEE OUR SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN WHO ARE ALWAYS PLAYING ON THAT ROAD ON THE BIKE PATHS AND ACTIVELY LOVING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? I LOVE LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS IT'S THERE. PEOPLE COME TO PICK UP THINGS FROM MY HOUSE OR WHATEVER. I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS BACK HERE. I SAID, I KNOW. I LOVE IT. IT'S QUIET. AND I'M THANKFUL FOR THE YODERS FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION. MY CHILDREN ARE SO AP OPPOSED TO THIS. THEY DO NOT WANT IT EITHER. I MEAN, THEY HAVE VOICES AS WELL. I PAY TAX DOLLARS TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN SO THAT MY VOICE CAN BE HEARD AND DECISIONS ARE MADE FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF MY HOME, MY COMMUNITY, AND MY FAMILY. AND I URGE YOU TO NOT APPROVE THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME'S DONNA BOWMAN. I LIVE AT 56 99 WILCOX ROAD. MINE WILL BE VERY QUICK. UM, LIKE CHRISTINE, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THIS UNTIL THE YODERS CAME TO OUR HOUSE, SO I AGREE. THE CHURCH HASN'T BEEN VERY, UM, FORWARD IN PASSING OUT INFORMATION. UM, THE CITY, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN, UM, NO COMMUNICATION FROM THE CITY THAT I'VE RECEIVED. UM, NEVER RECEIVED A LETTER ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL. NEVER SAW ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE MEETING TONIGHT. EVERYTHING THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD HAS BEEN FROM THE YODERS. UM, THERE'S ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC ANYWAY ALREADY ON RINGS ROAD. THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT BYPASSES THROUGH THERE FROM AVERY TO TUTTLE. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES VERY FAST THROUGH THERE. UM, I GET VERY ANGRY. I WALK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LOT. UM, I SEE CARS FLYING THROUGH THERE. IT'S A 25 MILE, UM, PER HOUR ZONE. CARS FLY THROUGH THERE. WE DON'T NEED MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE. WE'RE A RESIDENTIAL AREA. I I'VE BEEN TO THREE DIFFERENT CHURCHES. I'VE LIVED IN DUBLIN FOR 24 YEARS. UM, I'VE BEEN TO A MEMBER OF THREE DIFFERENT CHURCHES. UM, NONE OF THOSE CHURCHES HAVE CEMETERIES. I'M WONDERING WHY JOHN ST. JOHN'S IS SO SPECIAL AND IMPORTANT THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE A CEMETERY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. NONE OF THE OTHER CHURCHES I'VE BELONGED TO HAVE CEMETERIES IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS BEING PROPOSED AND WHY IT'S BEING ALLOWED. OUR CHILDREN PLAY THERE. MY CHILD'S GROWN UP. BUT THAT THERE'S PARKS ON EITHER SIDE. UM, THERE'S A PARK DOWN ON, NOR THERE'S A PARK ON RINGS. KIDS ARE GOING THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME. THERE'S SO MANY UNKNOWNS WITH THIS PROPOSAL. UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, HOW MANY PATRONS ARE GONNA BECOME IN THIS, IN THE CHURCH. YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF DUBLIN IS GROWING. THE CITY OF COLUMBUS IS GROWING. UM, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE. WE'RE BUILDING MORE AND MORE HOUSES. WE'RE BUILDING MORE AND MORE APARTMENTS. HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE ARE PARISHIONERS ARE GONNA BE GOING TO ST. JOHN'S? WE DON'T KNOW THAT. HOW MANY PEOPLE? WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY'RE GONNA DIE. [02:05:01] NOBODY KNOWS THAT. WE DON'T KNOW THE POPULATION. WHAT IS THE POPULATION OF ST. JOHN'S? THE ELDERLY POPULATION? UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT. BUT THERE'S SO MANY UNKNOWNS IN THIS ON HOW THE CHURCH IS GONNA GROW. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE, WANT TO BE BURIED THERE? HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA CHOOSE TO GO TO ST. JOHN'S KNOWING THAT THEY CAN THEN BE BURIED THERE AT ST. JOHN'S? IS THAT GONNA BE AN IMPORTANT DECISION ON THE CHURCH THAT THEY THEY CHOOSE TO GO TO? UM, I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY SAD THAT EVERYBODY I KNOW WAS NOT INFORMED OF THIS. I KNOW PEOPLE THROUGHOUT ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THAT AREA, THROUGH MY WORK, THROUGH WALKING THROUGH MY CHILD, NOBODY I KNEW KNEW ABOUT THIS FROM 2024. WHY ARE WE JUST HEARING ABOUT THIS? I THINK THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM AND I THINK WE'RE ALL AGAINST IT. I'VE HEARD, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD THAT MANY OF THE RESIDENTS ARE AGAINST THIS. AND I THINK YOU NEED TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS LINDA GARRIDO AND I'M THE PEOPLE, THE PERSON THAT LIVES DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY. AND EVERY INCH OF MY ACREAGE WILL BE LOOKING ONTO A GRAVEYARD FOR THE REST OF MY ENTIRE LIFE. AND I DO NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE PROMISING. WE ARE COMMITTING TO WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. WE WOULDN'T BUY A CAR WITHOUT SEEING IT. WE WOULDN'T BUY A LOT OF THINGS. AND YOU'RE SIGNING FOR, FOR LIFE COMMITMENTS AND CHANGES MADE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE. NOW YOU MET MY DAUGHTER-IN-LAW WHO WAS SPEAKING FOR MY SON. THEY, I WAS HOPING I'VE HAD THAT PROPERTY FOR MY, FOR 50 YEARS. THERE ARE THREE FAMILIES THERE THAT WE ALL WERE THERE AT THE BEGINNING WHEN NO ONE WANTED TO LIVE THERE. WE HAVE MADE, YOU KNOW, A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. AND EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE LOOKED ON, I RAISED MY HORSE THERE. MY KID WAS RAISED THERE. THEY PLAYED IN THE CREEK. I MEAN, IT IS A FABULOUS PLACE TO LIVE. IT IS. AND I WANTED TO STAY THAT WAY. I WANT MY FAMILY TO ENJOY IT. I, AND I SEE EVERYTHING THAT GOES IN AND OUT OF THAT PROPERTY AND HAVE FOR FOREVER. AND YOU KNOW, SECURITY'S A HUGE ISSUE. PEOPLE WALK OVER AND UNDER THE DO NOT ENTER NO TRESPASSING SIGN. YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM FOR ME ALSO IS THERE ARE PEOPLE NOW COMING FROM ALL DIRECTIONS. THEY SIT ON YOUR FENCE, THEY BREAK YOUR FENCE. YOU KNOW, MY HORSE USED TO LIVE THERE AND THE NEIGHBORS WOULD FEED THEM. NOW I DO DO NOT. I WANT ANOTHER HORSE. IT'S ZONED FOR A HORSE. I DON'T WANNA PUT THAT THERE 'CAUSE ANYBODY AND THEIR BROTHER CAN GET TO IT. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR FOR ME. I DON'T THINK IT'S, AND WE'RE ALL GONNA BE AFFECTED. I JUST THINK I'M AFFECTED MOST BECAUSE I SEE THE WHOLE THING. I'M NEXT DOOR TO THE WHOLE THING. EVERY PIECE OF INCH PROPERTY I OWN IS GONNA BE LOOKING ONTO A GRAVEYARD, A CEMETERY, A MEMORIAL PARK. YOU CAN CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND WE SEE PLANS OF IT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT'S GONNA BE IT. I JUST DO NOT WANT IT THERE. I WOULD'VE NEVER BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THERE. I WOULD'VE NEVER RENTED A PROPERTY THERE. I HAVE NO INTEREST OF LIVING THERE, AND THAT'S JUST ME. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR NOW TO FORCE ME INTO HAVING TO LOOK AT THAT LIVE NEXT TO THAT AND THEN WHAT YOU WANTED ME TO DO TO, YOU KNOW, SELL THE PROPERTY. AND I'M, YOU KNOW, NOT GONNA SELL IT FOR THE ADDITION OF BEING A BIGGER CEMETERY THAN IT IS. I LOVE ALL MY FRIENDS THAT LIVE AROUND ME. I JUST THINK IT'S DEFINITELY WRONG FOR ME, DEFINITELY WRONG FOR MY FAMILY AND I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. THANKS. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS AMAR. UM, I LIVE IN 5 7 0 1 CLEARFIELD LANE. UM, ST. JOHN'S IS A NEIGHBORHOOD CHURCH. MY KIDS WENT TO TAEKWONDO THERE. UH, THEY WENT TO UH, UH, CHILDCARE THERE. UH, WE HAVE USED THEIR FACILITY. THEY'RE A GREAT CHURCH, BUT I'M OPPOSED TO, UM, FURTHER DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN THIS PROPERTY. THE REASON BEING, UM, DURING THE PRESENTATION THERE WERE TWO POINTS THAT JUMPED OUT. ONE [02:10:01] WAS, UH, THEY SAID THAT THEY WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL TWO STRUCTURES, UH, THAT WILL BE OF SIMILAR SIZE AND SCALE THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED. AND THEY SAID THAT IT COULD BE ADDITION OTHER FAITHS. THE SECOND THING THEY ALSO SAID WAS, UM, THIS WAS, THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT IS CONSIDERED AS LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF STRUCTURES, THEY IMPROVEMENTS, ET CETERA. UM, TYPICALLY THESE PLANNING IS DONE AT A LARGE SCALE WITH COMMERCIAL INTENT. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THERE IS A CURRENT SYMMETRY, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT SYMMETRY RIGHT THERE. WE PASS THAT PASS THROUGH THAT ALMOST EVERY DAY. BUT EXPANDING THAT TO ADDITIONAL SPACES AND WITH THE INTENT OF EXPANDING WITH THE COMMERCIAL INTENT IS WHY THEY HAVE TO LAY OUT THESE BIG PLANS. AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS A HUNDRED YEAR PLAN. AND I THINK THAT'S WHEN YOU WILL GET A RETURN OF INVESTMENT. SO FOR THAT REASON ALONE, TO BRING A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT NEAR A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS AGAINST WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING FROM A RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO THAT IS NOT A REZONING INTENT, BUT IT'S A COMMERCIAL GOVERNMENT. WITH THAT, FOR THAT SPECIFIC REASON, I THINK THAT THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD REJECT THIS AND SHOULD NOT ALLOW A SYMMETRY PARK NEXT TO TED COBA PARK OR TRINITY PARK OR BRIGHTON PARK OR ANOTHER PARK. WE DON'T WANT A SYMMETRY PARK. WE JUST WANT THAT TO BE A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH RESIDENTIAL PARKS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS HEATHER DEWE. I LIVE AT 5 6 5 8 WILCOX ROAD. UM, WHEN WE MOVED TO DUBLIN, WE WERE VERY EXCITED. I TEACH IN DUBLIN. UM, I'VE TAUGHT IN DUBLIN SINCE, UH, 2002. AND, UM, TO GET MY SON TO DEVLIN CITY SCHOOLS WAS NO SMALL FEAT. WE LIVED IN OLAND AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE WENT TO A DEVLIN CITY SCHOOL. WHEN WE MOVED HERE, WE LOOKED THROUGH ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE FOUND THE PERFECT SPOT, AND THAT WAS ON WILCOX ROAD. THERE WAS NO COMMERCIAL, UM, BUSINESSES OR ANYTHING AROUND. AND WE LOVE THE CHURCH ON THE CORNER. UM, I ACTUALLY GREW UP LUTHERAN, SO I LOVED THAT THAT CHURCH WAS RIGHT THERE. UM, KIND OF MADE ME FEEL AT HOME. AND WHEN WE MOVED HERE, WE DECIDED THAT WE WERE GOING TO MAKE IT OUR HOME FOR LIFE. UM, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS IS THE THIRD BUSINESS ENDEAVOR THAT I KNOW OF, UM, THAT THE CHURCH HAS TRIED. UM, THE FIRST ONE WAS A HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT PROJECT. UM, THE SECOND ONE WAS A CELL TOWER, AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS THE CEMETERY. AND I GUESS I JUST QUESTION WHY SOME OF THESE, UM, THESE ENDEAVORS ARE BEING PURSUED BY A CHURCH. UM, BECAUSE THESE ARE CLEARLY, UH, BUSINESS MONEY MAKING, UM, ACTIVITIES. SO THAT'S IT. THANKS. AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, I ASKED YOU TO PLEASE DON'T APPLAUSE. I'M GONNA ASK YOU AGAIN. UM, KEEP YOUR APPLAUSE DOWN. GO AHEAD SIR. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JEAN BOSTIC. I LIVE AT 71 43 KAMAN ROAD, DUBLIN, OHIO. I'M HERE BECAUSE I'M A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE FOR THIS PROJECT. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED SINCE DAY ONE. WE HAVE BEEN SPENDING VERY MANY HOURS WITH PLANNING ZONING PEOPLE. WE STARTED APPROXIMATELY FOUR YEARS AGO. THE FIRST QUESTION WE ASK THEM, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT GETTING THIS PROJECT REZONED? AND THEY GET VERY STAFF WAS VERY HELPFUL. THEY GIVE US A LOT OF IDEAS. START HERE, START HERE, DO THAT. WE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT STARTED ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO. THIS CONTINUED RIGHT ON UP. WE KEPT ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE INFORMED. DARLENE BECKER MADE SURE THAT THERE WAS EMAILS. WE HAD THEIR EMAIL ADDRESSES, MAILING ADDRESSES. EACH TIME WE HAD A MEETING, ANY TYPE OF PROJECTS OR PROJECTS THAT WE WERE MAKING, WE MADE SURE THAT THEY WERE INFORMED, THEY WERE INFORMED, INVITED TO MEETINGS OVER AT THE CHURCH MANY, MANY TIMES. WE HAD THEIR FEEDBACK. [02:15:01] WE LISTENED TO 'EM VERY CAREFULLY. WE ASKED THEIR QUESTIONS. IF WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER, THEN WE MADE SURE WE GOT BACK WITH THEM. THE PROJECT HAS STARTED FROM SCRATCH AND MOVING FORWARD VERY, VERY WELL. WE HAVE NEVER KEPT ANYTHING A SECRET. EVERYBODY WAS INFORMED ON WHAT WAS GOING ON NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY ALWAYS KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON. THE PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY STARTED OUT WELL THOUGHT OUT. WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND BACKTRACK SOMETHING. WE WANT TO BE PROACTIVE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE DID. SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. IT'S GOING TO BE A NICE PROJECT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS, NEGATIVE COMMENTS, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. PLEASE UNDERSTAND. I'VE BEEN AROUND DUBLIN SINCE 1977. I WATCHED IT GROVE FROM ABOUT 4,000 PEOPLE TO 50,000 PLUS RIGHT NOW. DUBLIN'S ALWAYS HAD THE IDEA OF DOING IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, SO PLEASE DO IT RIGHT THIS TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND GOD BLESS AMERICA. THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD, GOOD EVENING. UH, MARK BLEVINS, 57 65 CLEARFIELD LANE, DUBLIN, OHIO, ORIGINALLY WASN'T GONNA SPEAK TONIGHT. UM, I'M MORE OF LIKE A COMMON SENSE. I JUST WANT TO HEAR SOME OF THE THINGS, LIKE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT GOT UP HERE. UM, I LIVED IN BRIGHTON PARK UNTIL ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS. I'VE LIVED IN, UH, DOUBLE NOW SINCE 1998. AND I DON'T THINK, I THINK YOU COULD TAKE THIS MAP AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING, AND KUDOS TO THEM FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. BUT YOU COULD PUT THIS IN THIS MAP IN ANY, UH, SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN. AND THIS ROOM IS GONNA BE FULL BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING IT FROM, FROM RESIDENTIAL TO SOMETHING ELSE, WHETHER IT WAS A GAS STATION, A MARIJUANA DISPENSARY. WHAT'S THE NEEDS? WHAT'S THE WANTS? AND I THINK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THAT? WHAT, WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO DO? AND, AND I UNDERSTAND, UH, FROM THE CHURCH, THEY WANNA DO CRADLE TO GRAVE. THAT IS GREAT. UM, I THINK THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT ARE MORE DEFINED AND WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE FROM RESIDENTIAL TO SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS GONNA CAUSE THIS MUCH ISSUES, WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC OR INPUT, WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT TO THERE. UM, VERY, JUST VERY CONCERNED WITH THE LACK OF INFORMATION. AND I, IT'S BEEN STATED HERE SEVERAL TIMES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. AND I CAN TELL YOU I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND I, I TRY TO STAY UP ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN, UH, IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN, IN THE CITY OF HILLIARD. UH, I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT SOME OF YOU RAISED TO THE QUESTIONS HERE, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOTHING AGAINST THE CHURCH. IF THEY'RE DOING 10 TO 12 BURIALS, WHERE ARE THOSE BURIALS NOW? WHERE ARE THEY GOING? SO YOU'RE TRYING, THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING FOR THEIR CONGREGATION, WHICH AGAIN, I BELIEVE IS GREAT, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS MUCH CHANGE AND WE'RE CHANGING THE ZONING FOR SOMETHING THAT THERE MIGHT BE 10, THERE MIGHT BE 12, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS, YOU KNOW, WELL, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT NEEDS AT WANTS AND, AND IS THE COUNCIL PREPARED FOR THE NEXT CHURCH THAT WANTS TO DO CRADLE TO GRAVE IN MUIRFIELD OR SOMEWHERE ELSE? AND I'M GONNA GET THE COMMUNITY, UH, INPUT, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IT'S GONNA BE PACKED OUT THIS DOOR HERE. SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY I'M A, I'M AGAINST IT. I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IT. I JUST DON'T THINK THE NEED, UM, CIRCUMVENTS CHANGING THE ZONING FOR WHAT IT IS NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PLEASE. OKAY. WHO, WHO'S NEXT? ANYBODY ELSE? WE HAVE, SIR, YOU'RE WALKING UP TO THE DI . I, UH, MY NAME IS DAVID SHELL. I LIVE AT 55 82 BAYBROOK LANE. UH, SO I'M IN A COMMUNITY THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT. UM, I WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAKING TONIGHT AS WELL. UH, I JUST SAW SOME POSTINGS UP IN THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE ONLY BEEN RECENTLY AWARE OF THIS, UH, CHANGE. UM, I'VE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS [02:20:01] NOW. UM, MY KIDS AND I USED TO GO INTO THE PARK RIGHT NEXT TO THAT, AND THERE USED TO BE HORSES IN THESE SAME FIELDS. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE PERSPECTIVE WE HAD GROWING UP, THAT MY KIDS SAW THIS AS, AS HORSE PARK BACK THERE. 'CAUSE WE WOULD GO BACK AND SEE THE HORSES RUNNING IN THE FIELD. THIS IS QUITE A CHANGE. I MEAN, WE GO FROM HORSES IN THE FIELDS TO NOW, YOU KNOW, HAVING SINGLE HOUSE DEVELOPMENTS. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ZONED FOR. UM, THIS IS A BIG SURPRISE TO GO TO. UH, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE GOING TO, TO PUT IT INTO CEMETERIES. UH, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE IMPACT, UH, ON MY NEIGHBORS. I THINK I LIVE FAR ENOUGH AWAY. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARILY GONNA IMPACT ME GREATLY FOR THE HOUSE VALUE, BUT I DO HAVE GREAT CONCERNS FOR MY NEIGHBORS THAT ARE CLOSER, THAT THAT IS GONNA IMPACT THEM. UM, AND MAYBE THERE WAS PUBLIC OUTREACH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS AS STRONG AS WHAT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED HERE TODAY. SO TO ME, THAT THAT'S THE BIG CONCERN I HAVE. UM, I I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS CONVERSION OF ONCE THIS IS DONE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SET IN THIS, I MEAN, THIS ISN'T GONNA CONVERT BACK. IT'S, IT'S A ONE TIME DEAL. SO, UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXTENSIVE NATURE OF HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE ON FOR 150 YEARS. UM, DO WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THAT BIG OF A CHANGE TO THE COMMUNITY? SO, THANKS. THANK YOU. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. UH, DARCY MOSSMAN, 56 82 WILCOX ROAD, UH, TRINITY PARK, UM, SUBDIVISION. I ALSO CAME TONIGHT JUST BECAUSE I WAS VERY CURIOUS AS TO, UH, WHAT WAS HAPPENING, UM, REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT. I, I AM A LITTLE, UM, CONCERNED, UH, ABOUT THE TREND, OR EXCUSE ME. UH, ST. JOHN'S, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM G TWO, STATED THAT FOR THREE YEARS HE HAS BEEN TALKING TO RESIDENTS. AND IT DOES SOUND LIKE THE CONDOS ACROSS THE STREET WERE MADE AWARE, BUT IT'S CLEAR NOW. I I THINK THAT NONE OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WERE CONSIDERED OR ASKED. AND, AND IF, MAYBE IF THAT'S IN YOUR TEXT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, UM, NAMES OF THE RESIDENTS THAT, UH, WERE, UM, ASKED TO LOOK THIS OVER, UM, FOR THESE LAST THREE YEARS. SO THAT WAS MY ONE, UM, NOTE THAT I PICKED UP TONIGHT. THE OTHER, UH, THING THAT CONCERNED ME WAS THEY HAD ALL THESE SLIDES, BUT WHEN SOMEONE, UM, ON THE COUNCIL ASKED ABOUT THE COLUMN BARIUMS, THEY HAD NO 3D RENDERINGS OF THAT. AND I KNOW THE TECHNOLOGY IS OUT THERE, AND I JUST, THAT MAKES ME FEEL VERY UNEASY THAT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO PRESENT WHAT IT, THE VISUALLY, WHAT IT'S REALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE. THEY TALKED ABOUT THE BARRIER WALL 75 FEET BACK, BUT YET THEY STILL WON'T SHOW US WHAT TYPE THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO PUT. HE KEPT TALKING ABOUT THEY COULD BE SMALL, THEY COULD BE TWO PEOPLE. WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHOW US WHAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING. THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME NERVOUS. UM, I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE JUST NOT WANTING TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE LOOK OF WHAT IS REALLY GOING TO BE HAPPENING IN THAT AREA. UM, AND THEN LASTLY, AND I MIGHT BE, UM, OVERTHINKING AT THE BEGINNING, SEVERAL OF YOU MADE THE STATEMENT THAT THIS PROPOSAL WAS A DIFFERENT CITY COUNCIL THAT APPROVED THEIR, UM, ORIGINAL IDEA. AND TO ME, IT SOUNDED AS IF YOU FELT THAT YOU NEEDED TO, UM, UH, APPRECIATE WHAT WAS ALREADY PASSED. UM, AND SO THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE IF WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT PREVIOUS CITY COUNCILS AND WHAT THEY BELIEVED THE 1990 CITY COUNCIL DID PASS THIS AS SINGLE RESIDENTIAL HOMES, AND THAT I WOULD ASK IF WE ARE REALLY WANTING TO THINK ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE PRIOR CITY COUNCILS FELT, YOU WOULD ALSO, UM, THINK ABOUT THAT DECISION ORIGINALLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. I KNOW IT'S LATE. THANK YOU. HI THERE. UH, MY NAME'S JENNY HAGGERTY. I'M AT 56 87 WILCOX ROAD. I'VE LIVED IN THE AREA FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS. UM, I CAME TO LISTEN AS WELL AND TO KIND OF, I WAS MOST INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM THE CHURCH AND THEIR, UH, THEIR INFORMATION. AND I DID WANNA SAY THAT I'M VERY TOUCHED WITH THE CRADLE TO GRAVE, UM, [02:25:01] IDEA AS FAR AS, UH, TAKING CARE OF YOUR PARISHIONERS. I THINK THAT, UH, LOOKING TO THE NEXT LIFE IS IMPORTANT, I THINK, AND I WAS VERY TOUCHED WITH THE, UM, THE COMMENT FROM THE, THE PREVIOUS PASTOR'S, UM, FAMILY. UM, BUT I, I, I DO THINK, AND I, AND I, I, I APPRECIATE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THIS HAS TAKEN A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY AND EFFORT TO TRY TO REALLY MAKE THIS SOMETHING THAT'S SPECIAL. BUT I DO THINK FROM A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT AND A NEIGHBORHOOD STANDPOINT, THAT, UM, HONESTLY, IT'S A, I THINK IT'S SPOOKED A LOT OF US JUST TO SEE THE, THE SIZE AND THE EXTENT OF THIS. AND WITH THE COLUMBARIUMS ADDING TO THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FLUSH MARKERS ARE ONE THING, BUT WHAT WAS IT? EIGHT BY 20, BY EIGHT BY 20 BY WHAT THREE, LIKE THOSE ARE, AND HUNDREDS OF THEM. I MEAN, THAT, THAT HONESTLY IS QUITE AMAZING. IF, IF IT IS JUST CRADLE TO GRAVE AND ONLY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN YOUR PARISH, THEN THAT IS SO MUCH AND SOUNDS MORE LIKE A COMMERCIAL ENDEAVOR. AND THEN HAVING A STRUCTURE ON THE SITE THAT'S, WELL, IF IT'S JUST FOR YOUR PARISHIONERS, THEN WOULDN'T THEY HAVE A FUNERAL AT YOUR CHURCH? AND SO THEN THAT, I THINK THAT IS WHAT SPOOKS MOST OF US IS JUST THE SHEER SIZE AND COMMERCIAL FEEL OF IT VERSUS THE SMALLER, WE'RE JUST TAKING CARE OF OUR PARISHIONERS. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S MADE US WORRIED. THAT'S THREE MINUTES, I THINK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY. NEXT? I'M GONNA DO MY COUNTDOWN. GOING ONCE. OKAY. I DIDN'T MAKE IT PAST. ONCE THE MICROPHONE IS ON. AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME IS LISA COOK. I LIVE AT 5 5 3 4 KEBAR LANE, DUBLIN, OHIO. FORMER TEACHER USED TO TEACH TALKING TO KIDS, NOT TO ADULTS. SO PLEASE EXCUSE ME. I'M GONNA TO READ MY LETTER. MY NAME IS LISA COOK. I'M A MEMBER OF ST. JOHN'S LUTHERAN CHURCH AND A NEARBY RESIDENT OF THE VILLAGE OF GVA, A NEIGHBORHOOD IN BALLANT TREE. I'M WRITING TODAY TO EXPRESS MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR CH ST. JOHN'S LUTHERANS APPLICATION REQUESTING REZONING OF 6 0 0 1 AND 6 0 4 1 RINGS ROAD, DUBLIN, OHIO, FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTION OF A CEMETERY ON THEIR PROPERTY. THE CONGREGATION'S COMMITTEE HAS WORKED THOUGHTFULLY AND WITH CONSIDERATION OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AS THEY WORKED WITH PROFESSIONALS TO DESIGN A SPACE IN QUESTION. THE COMMITTEE HAS THOUGHTFULLY LISTENED TO ITS CONGREGATION TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN THAT SERVES THE DIFFERENT BURIAL STYLES AND NEEDS FOR THE FUTURE OF ITS MEMBERS WHO HAVE CHOSEN A FINAL, WHO WOULD LIKE TO, SORRY, WHO MAY CHOOSE A FINAL RESTING PLACE THERE. OUR CONGREGATION VALUES LIFE FROM CONCEPTION TO DEATH AND WOULD LIKE TO HONOR THOSE MEMBERS WHO CHOOSE TO MAKE THE CHURCH GROUNDS THEIR FINAL RESTING PLACE. UM, I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THIS CHURCH FOR A SHORT TIME, UM, BUT I HAVE HISTORY WITH THIS CHURCH AS MY FATHER, UM, ACTUALLY BUILT AND, AND INSTALLED THE ORIGINAL ORGAN IN THE HISTORIC SECTION OF THE SANCTUARY. SO I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION FOR YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR DEDICATION TO PUBLIC SERVICE AND FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF, FOR MY PERSPECTIVE ON THE SONY REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS SHERRY LANCIA. I LIVE AT 57 73 CLEARFIELD LANE. AND I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THIS WHOLE PROJECT, UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN VERY WELL STATED, NUMEROUS EXAMPLES. UM, SO I'M BEATING A DEAD HORSE, BUT WHAT I'M WANTING, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE CONTINUOUS THOUGHTS OF THE CHURCH. AND I'VE BEEN, I'VE MOVED TO DUBLIN. I'VE LIVED IN DUBLIN FOR 28 YEARS. WE STAYED IN OUR BRIGHTON PARK AREA. UM, THE COMMUNITY, THE PARKS, EVERYTHING IS LOVELY AND WONDERFUL. UM, THE CHURCH HAS CONTINUED, AND I LOVE THAT THE CHURCH IS THERE. THE PRESCHOOL, UM, THE CHURCH HAS CONTINUED TO TRY TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF A PROPHET, I FEEL, AND I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY AND WHERE THAT UNDERLINING IS. UM, I THINK THE DIRECTION [02:30:01] OF THAT THEY'VE BEEN BUYING UP THESE LAND, THE LAND IN THIS AREA IS A CONCERN, UM, WITH THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS. AND JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, IF YOU HAVE 450 PARISHIONERS AT 10 TO 12 DYING A YEAR, UH, IT JUST DOESN'T JUSTIFY HAVING OVER 2000 A CEMETERY BIG ENOUGH FOR ALL OF THOSE, LIKE OVER 2000 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS. AND, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'VE ALREADY BOUGHT THIS LAND. SO MY CONCERN IS WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS DOES GET TURNED DOWN? IT'S STILL THE CHURCH'S RESPONSIBILITY. THE, THE CHURCH WILL STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS. UM, SO LOOKING AT THE PHASES, WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH IS ON RINGS ROAD AND THE VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET. SO HAVING THINGS RIGHT AWAY ON B AND THEN NOT DEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, THE LATTER PART, UM, AND MAKING THAT GROUND. WHY DON'T THEY START AT THE BACK WHERE IT'S ALL HIDDEN? LIKE, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF HAVING IT LIKE THOSE PARTIALS RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE ROAD WHERE IT IS THE EYESORE. I KNOW THEY'VE ALREADY BOUGHT THE LAND, SO WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THAT AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT. BUT WHY NOT START AT THE BACK AND THEN IN A HUNDRED YEARS DEAL WITH IT, YOU KNOW, AT THE FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY THOUGHT WITH IF IT IS ALREADY, BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY PURCHASED THE LAND. AND, UM, JUST WANNA EXPRESS THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MONEY AT A CHURCH, AND I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS THE WAY TO GO. THANKS. THANK YOU. YEAH, I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. SO IT'S MY, I DID MAIL. MY NAME IS SUSAN JACOBY AND I LIVE IN, UM, PA, OHIO, BUT I'M A MEMBER OF ST. JOHN LUTHERAN CHURCH, MY HUSBAND TOM. UM, WE'VE BEEN MEMBERS THERE. I DID MAIL THIS LETTER IN, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR, UM, THE PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE TO HEAR IT AS WELL. THIS EMAIL IS IN REGARDS TO THE REZONING OF 6,000 1, 6 41, UH, RINGS ROAD FOR A CEMETERY MEMORIAL GARDEN. WE ARE MEMBERS OF ST. JOHN LUTHERAN CHURCH, DUBLIN. IN THE PAST 40 YEARS THAT WE HAVE BEEN MEMBERS OF ST. JOHN, WE HAVE WITNESSED ST. JOHN BEING GREAT STEWARDS OF OUR PROPERTIES. WE HAVE KEPT OUR LANDS MANICURED, HAVE BUILT A BEAUTIFUL NEW SANCTUARY, HAVE MET THE NEEDS OF OUR NEIGHBORS WITH A SHELTER HOUSE, BASEBALL FIELD, COMMUNITY GARDEN, AND CRICKET FIELD. WE'VE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS. WE'VE PONDERED FOR MANY YEARS HOW, HOW TO MAKE BEST USE OF THIS LAND A SCHOOL, UM, SENIOR CENTER, SENIOR LIVING, SOME KIND OF A FACILITY. UM, WE FINALLY DECIDED THE BEST USE OF THIS LAND IS FOR OUR CONGREGATION. WE DID THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MEMORIAL GARDEN CEMETERY, AND LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORS AT OUR RECENT MEETING, WHICH I WAS, WHICH WE ATTENDED, SEVERAL NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE AND TRAFFIC. AS OUR PASTOR STATED, WE HELD ABOUT 12 FUNERALS LAST YEAR, WHICH IS MINIMAL DISRUPTION THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UM, AND A MUCH QUIETER, UM, SOLUTION TO THAT LAND THAN THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAD THOUGHT WE COULD USE. WE LOVE ST. JOHN LUTHERAN CHURCH AND HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE CREATION OF A MEMORIAL GARDEN AND CEMETERY. WE LONG FOR A PLACE WHERE WE CAN BE BURIED IN THE FUTURE RATHER THAN SOME RANDOM CEMETERY WITH NO MEANING TO US OR A FAMILY. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ZACH. I SAW THE GREEN LIGHT. I'M SORRY. OKAY. MY NAME IS DAVID PATCH. I LIVE AT ONE MARINOVA PLACE. IT'S DOWN IN COLUMBUS, OHIO. UM, I ALSO OWN OWN PROPERTY ON RINGS ROAD. SO I'VE BEEN IN THE AMLIN AREA FOR 64 YEARS. UH, I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF ST. JOHN'S FOR 64 YEARS. I KNOW THERE IS OPPOSITION, WHICH I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S FINE. UM, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW THAT JUST BECAUSE THE PEOPLE AREN'T CLAPPING, WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO OR NOT TO DO, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE ALLOWED, UH, BY NOT STOPPING THE CLAPPING FOR THE OPPOSITION, THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE THAT DO SUPPORT IT. AND SO MAYBE THEY'RE NOT VOCAL, BUT YOU COULD ASK 'EM TO RAISE THEIR HANDS OR STAND, OR WE CAN CLAP IF THAT'S WHAT THE IDEA IS. BUT, UM, I ALSO HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMITTEE FOR THE CEMETERY PART OF THE LAND USE COMMITTEE YEARS AGO. UM, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO COMMERCIAL STUFF, IT'S THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT BEST FITS [02:35:01] FOR ST. JOHN. AS THE PASTOR MENTIONED, IT'S FROM, UH, THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE OR TO BIRTH, UM, TO YOUR DEATH. AND SO I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE. IT'S INEVITABLE. UM, YOU'RE ALL GONNA BE BURIED SOMEPLACE. I ACTUALLY WOULDN'T BE BURIED AT ST. JOHN BECAUSE I ALREADY HAVE MY NAME AND A PLOT UP IN PLAIN CITY. BUT HONESTLY, THAT PLACE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO ME. I COULD HAVE THE GRAVE SITE MOVED, I SUPPOSE, BUT, UM, MY FAMILY IS ALREADY UP IN PLAIN CITY. I WOULD PROBABLY BE BURIED NEXT TO MY FAMILY. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GENERATIONS THAT ARE YET TO COME, WHICH IS IN MANY SONGS THAT WE SING AT OUR CHURCH. UM, AS I SAID, THERE, THERE IS OPPOSITION AND I AM GLAD THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING OUT. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE PEOPLE THAT DO SUPPORT IT, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT, UH, THING THAT WOULD BE DONE AT ST. JOHN. IT IS, UH, AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA PASS. WE ALL NEED TO GO SOMEPLACE, AND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR OUR CONGREGATION. MANY CHURCHES OVER THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG CHURCHES HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE, BUT THEY USUALLY DID HAVE A, A CEMETERY ON THEIR SITE. IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO DO THAT. AND WE ALSO HAVE MANY CEMETERIES AROUND, SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S NOT IN KEEPING WITH, UH, IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO HAVE A CEMETERY OR THE MEMORIAL GARDEN AS WE'RE CALLING IT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, BUT I DO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT PERSON. PLEASE STAND UP AND MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE MIC. I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, I INTRODUCED MYSELF AS A PART OF THE CONDO BOARD. I WAS SPEAKING FOR MYSELF ONLY. AND I JUST WANT FOLKS TO KNOW THAT, UH, OUR BOB GRIFFIN CONDO BOARD HASN'T TAKEN A POSITION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD. AND IF I, UH, MISLED ANYONE, I APOLOGIZE. I WAS HERE AS ED, THE INDIVIDUAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION, MS. MAXWELL. HE WAS THIS FIRST SPEAKER, SO . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? OKAY. OKAY. I'M GONNA DO THE COUNTDOWN. GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE GOING TH RICE. OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED AND I'M NOW GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MY COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR DISCUSSION. AND MR. ALEXANDER, YOU SEEM TO BE IN THE HOT SEAT TONIGHT, SO THANKS A LOT. UH, VERY, VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. I GENERALLY, I GENERALLY AM SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED BECAUSE I FIND IT DIFFICULT BASED ON THE ZONING TO NOT SUPPORT IT, BECAUSE A CHURCH IS AN APPROVED USE IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SO IT'S NOT AN IMPOSITION. I MEAN, IT'S NOT, AND, AND THIS IS AN EXTENSION OF THE CHURCH FUNCTION, SO I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND GROUNDS. IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER PLANNING DOCUMENTS FOR THE AREA. I, I THINK THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE ACTUALLY VERY, VERY LOW. THE, THE PRESERVATION OF THE LANDSCAPE AND THE WATERCOURSE THAT HAS ITS OWN LANDSCAPE AROUND IT BREAKS THIS UP. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE AN, EXCUSE ME, FOR USING AN EXAMPLE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE A PLACE LIKE RESURRECTION CEMETERY, WHICH IS JUST THIS ENORMOUS FIELD OF ALMOST UNDIFFERENTIATED SPACE. SO HERE AGAIN, I THINK I, AND I THINK THE PLAN DOES THAT PRETTY WELL. ALSO, THE FACT THAT THE BUILD OUT IS SO FAR IN THE FUTURE, ONCE AGAIN, I THINK THAT MINIMIZES THE IMPACT AND THE FACT THAT IT'S GONNA REMAIN A FIELD AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY FOR AS LONG AS SOME OF US ARE STILL AROUND. UM, THE SETBACKS ARE SIZABLE. THE STAFF REPORT HAS INDICATED THE, THE SETBACKS COULD BE EVEN MORE RESTRICTIVE. I THINK THE SETBACKS ARE SIZABLE, WHICH HERE AGAIN, MINIMIZES THE IMPACT. I ALSO THINK THE TRAFFIC, I ACTUALLY THINK THERE'D BE MORE TRAFFIC OF THESE RURAL HOUSES. SO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT IS GOING TO BE VERY MINIMAL AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, I FIND IT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S CONCERNS AND, AND CULTURALLY, THERE, THERE, THERE'S A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY USED TO PICNIC IN CEMETERIES. SO, AND I THINK CULTURAL NORMS HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME, BUT I ALSO THINK WE'RE CREATING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL. AS THE LAST SPEAKER SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK VERY FAR IN CENTRAL OHIO TO SEE BURIAL GROUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH CHURCHES. SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MR. GARVIN. THANK YOU. UM, IN SOME SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT GARY SAID, I I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE USE. UM, I THINK [02:40:01] THAT IT DOES CREATE A PARK-LIKE SETTING. UM, IT, IT DOES CREATE A LOWER TRAFFIC ENVIRONMENT THAN OTHER USES. UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SCALE, JUST IN TERMS OF THE TIMING. I, I UNDERSTAND WANTING TO KIND OF PRESERVE, UH, THE, THAT PHASE THREE, THAT AREA. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAD, YOU'D HAVE SUCH A E EVEN BREAKING DOWN THE, UH, AND I'M SO SORRY TO FORGET THE TERM. UM, CONERUM COLUMN, BARIUM, SORRY, THE, UH, AND IT IS IN FRONT OF ME THERE. SO EVEN THE NUMBER OF COLUMN BARIUMS TO HAVE SUCH A HIGH LIMIT ON THAT FRONT SECTION, I MEAN, COULD, IN MY MINDS MAKE IT SO THAT YOU, YOU NEVER NECESSITATE THE REAR SECTION, YOU KNOW, IN A HUNDRED YEARS, 200 YEARS OR BEYOND. UM, AGAIN, THE USE, I THINK IS, IS APPROPRIATE. I THINK THAT A CEMETERY HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, ISN'T ANACHRONISTIC TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I JUST, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE, AND I THINK IF THIS DOES MOVE ON TO COUNCIL, AND WE DO SEE IT FOR AN FDP, I THINK THERE'D HAVE TO BE SOME FIRM NUMBERS AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO SEE FROM THE COLUMN BARIUMS IN PARTICULAR, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOUR REAL VARIATION IS IN CAPACITY. AND THAT'S WHERE IT KIND OF, I THINK, MIGHT POINT US TO WHAT THE FUTURE OF THIS LOOKS LIKE. YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OF, UH, HOW MANY ARE IN THAT PHASE ONE, WHEN DO YOU GET DOWN TO PHASE TWO? WHEN, IF EVER DO YOU SEE PHASE THREE? UM, I WOULD ALSO JUST COMMENT THAT, UH, IF THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IS ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TRADITIONAL BURIAL AND WHAT WAS CONSIDERED, AND THERE NEED TO BE ANY STUDIES FOR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, I THINK THAT COULD BE APPROPRIATE. UM, AND THEN, UM, UH, AND THEN IN PARTICULAR ON THE COLUM VARIANTS, I THINK THAT WE COULD FURTHER LIMIT THE, UH, SIZE, ESPECIALLY THE HEIGHT. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF I KNOW YOU WANNA ALLOW FOR FUTURE USES, WHO WOULD CHOOSE TO BE KIND OF STATIONED ABOVE, ABOVE YOUR HEIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A NECESSARY THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT SCALE. UM, LET'S SEE. OH, AND THEN I AM SUPPORTIVE, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ENHANCING, UH, ANY SCREENING. IF THIS WERE TO, TO GO ON THE SCREENING ON THE RIGHT SIDE, PARTICULARLY, UM, RELATED TO SOME OF THE PROPERTIES ASSOCIATED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, WE HEARD SHOULD HAVE SUFFICIENT SCREENING. UM, AND THEN, UH, I'D WANNA MAKE SURE THE PARKING CIRCULATION BEFORE PHASE THREE WOULD, IS CONSIDERED IN PER, IN PERPETUITY, JUST IN CASE THERE'S NO PHASE THREE. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. THANKS DAN. MS. NEWELL. UM, SO OVERALL, I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS HERE THIS EVENING. AND I KNOW THERE IS A MIX OF PRO AND CON. I'M ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, SO I'M SORRY THAT I DISAGREE WITH SOME OF MY FELLOW CITIZENS. UM, FOR, FOR A NUMBER OF REASON, THERE ARE SO MANY HISTORIC CHURCHES THAT SEEK TO DO JUST THAT. AND WHILE I COULD THINK OF A NUMBER WITHIN THE GREATER COLUMBUS AREA THAT HAVE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE KEPT THOSE GRAVEYARDS AND MEMORIALS WITHIN THEIR CHURCH. OUR OWN, UM, DUBLIN COMMUNITY CEMETERY IS COMPLETELY FULL AT CA CAPACITY, OR AT LEAST ALL PARTICULAR, UM, GRAVE SITES THAT WERE AVAILABLE HAVE ALL BEEN SOLD. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS LACKING IN THEIR COMMUNITY. I'M ALSO SOMEONE WHO'S OLDER IN LIFE, AND I APPRECIATE THE TESTIMONY ABOUT WANTING TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN STILL REMAIN WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY AND A COMMUNITY THAT WE LOVE. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S, UM, GONNA CREATE MORE TRAFFIC IN YOUR, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN EXISTS NOW FOR THE RESULT OF CREATING, UM, MEMORIAL AREA FOR THEIR OWN CHURCH MEMBERS WITHIN THIS CHURCH. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S TRULY COMMERCIAL. I THINK IT'S KEEPING WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. I THINK IT'S KEEPING WITHIN THE USE OF THIS CHURCH THAT HAS EXISTED BEFORE MANY OF THAT PROPERTY WAS EVER BUILT, UM, TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE FROM THE COM COMMUNITY. JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CASE THAT CAME IN FRONT OF US WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL. IT WENT TO A PRIOR, UM, ZONING BOARD COMMISSION, AND ALL THAT WAS, WAS BRINGING THE CASE IN AND ASKING FOR INFORMAL FEEDBACK, MEANING ANY OF THE TESTIMONY OR ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM THE COMMISSIONERS WAS JUST [02:45:01] A REACTION TO THE PROJECT THAT WAS BROUGHT IN. AND IT WAS NON-BINDING FEEDBACK, NO VOTE WAS TAKEN. THE ONLY THING AND STEP WE DID NOT REPEAT IS MAKING THEM GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AGAIN, BECAUSE THE ZONING TEXT CHANGED. AND SO WHAT WAS REPEATED HAPPENED PREVIOUSLY WOULD'VE HAPPENED AGAIN UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME. WE STILL TALKED ABOUT THIS PROJECT IN LENGTH, SO WE JUST DID NOT MAKE THEM REPEAT A STEP THAT THE CHURCH HAD ALREADY MADE. SO OVERALL, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERED ME WERE IN THE TEXT, UM, FOR THE MEMORIAL CHAPEL THAT, UM, THE FINISHES ARE SO OPEN-ENDED. UM, TYPICALLY WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT IN A-P-U-P-U-D TEXT. IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE REFINED TO WHAT WAS THERE. SO MY ACTION TO THAT WAS YOU DIDN'T QUITE KNOW WHAT YOU WANTED IT TO BE. UM, YOU WANTED IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS SOMETHING ULTIMATELY YOU COULD AFFORD. AND SO THERE WAS A LARGE VARIETY OF FINISHES. SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT HONED IN SO THAT IT WAS, HAD SOME GREATER LIMITATIONS ON THAT. UM, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING, I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME TO DEVELOP THIS. I DON'T THINK IT IS EVER, UM, GOING TO DEVELOP TO THE SCALE THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THINK. WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF HISTORIC CEMETERIES IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN. SOMETIMES I THINK, UM, PROBABLY MORE THAN MOST PEOPLE REALIZE. AND MANY OF THEM ARE RIGHT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL SBY. IN FACT, I DRIVE PAST THREE OF THEM EVERY DAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT, MR. CHINOOK. THANK YOU. UM, FIRST WANNA SAY THANKS FOR THE, UH, I ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S HELP, HELPS US, UM, GATHER THAT PERSPECTIVE. AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST TONIGHT. SO WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, TIME AND ENERGY. UM, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK, THANK SARAH FOR, UM, PROVIDING US. UM, I KNOW SARAH'S WORKED VERY, VERY HARD ON THIS PROJECT. SHE'S PROVIDED US A LOT OF INFORMATION, UM, HER TIRELESS EFFORTS TO LEAD THIS, UH, THIS EFFORT. UM, AND AGAIN, KEEP US INFORMED. UM, REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE EFFORTS FROM SARAH PARTICULARLY. UM, I WILL SAY WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS PACKET, WE, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS. WE CAME BACK TO 2024, AND WE, WE TERMED THIS AS A MEMORIAL GARDEN THOUGHT, OKAY, HERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, APPROVE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE TRAFFIC IMPACT, THAT DOESN'T HAVE DENSITY CONVERSATIONS, THAT DOESN'T HAVE CON, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SHOWING UP, UPSET ABOUT TOO MANY HOUSES, NOT ENOUGH HOUSES, TOO MUCH COMMERCIAL. SO FROM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A, OF A MEMORIAL GARDEN OR A PARK, IT'S PRETTY EXCITING FOR, FOR US TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 'CAUSE IT, IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. AS I DUG DEEPER INTO IT. I THINK WHAT'S BEEN APPARENT IS JUST THIS, THE, THE VOLUME OF, UH, OF IT. AND I THINK IF THERE'S, MY PERSPECTIVE IS I AM IN GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 'CAUSE I THINK IT COULD BE A GREAT ASSET. I DON'T UNDER, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF INCREASING TRAFFIC AND BEING UNSAFE BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA DO THE VERY OPPOSITE. UM, SO I, I'M ENCOURAGED BY THAT. BUT CAN WE SCALE IT BACK? CAN WE MAYBE CONSIDER NO COLUMN BARIUMS? COULD IT BE ALL LOW MARKERS? COULD IT BE A TRUE MEMORIAL GARDEN THAT MEETS, YOU KNOW, THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE IT FEELS MORE LIKE A PARK, BUT IT IS STILL MEMORIAL FOR YOUR, FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE CHURCH? IS THERE A WAY WE CAN DIAL THIS BACK A BIT? I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE, THE NUMBERS DON'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME. WHY WE HAVE 2000, I FORGET THE NUMBER, 22, 2000 PLOTS FOR A SMALL CONGREGATION OVER, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS. SO I, I THINK HOPEFULLY THE APPLICANT, THERE'S ROOM TO MAYBE DIAL THIS BACK A LITTLE BIT AND BE A LITTLE BIT MORE REASONABLE. AND MAYBE WE COULD CONSIDER LIMITING CALM BARIUMS OR MARKERS TO BE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAT CAN KIND OF BALANCE SOME OF THE PUBLIC CONCERNS AND, AND CREATE A GREAT SPACE THAT THE PUBLIC CAN GO USE. AND WE CAN GET BACK TO HAVING PICNICS IN THIS, IN THESE AREAS. AND IT, IT'S MORE OF A CELEBRATION OF, OF LIFE, CELEBRATION OF ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE HERE AS OPPOSED TO A, A, UH, A HINDRANCE TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY. SO AGAIN, I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF, BUT I THINK WE, WE NEED TO CONSIDER, AGAIN, DIALING IT BACK. AND I ALSO THINK THERE'S A LOT OF AMBIGUITY AROUND THE SIZES OF THINGS, THE, THE STRUCTURES. AND I THINK WE NEED TO, FOR THE APPLICANT TO TIGHTEN UP SOME OF THOSE GUIDELINES AND GIVE US VERY SPECIFIC DIRECTION ON SIZES, NUMBERS, UM, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ACCURATELY GET BEHIND THIS. I, I THINK THERE'S SOME STILL, STILL SOME WORK TO DO HERE, AND I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY MEET AT [02:50:01] A GOOD SPOT THAT MAKES EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM KIND OF FEEL MUCH BETTER ABOUT THIS AS WE GO FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. MS. UM, SIR, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD. UM, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE STATED. I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS USE. UM, AND I, I, I DON'T SEE THERE, THE CHURCH HAS ALREADY STATED THAT IT HAS, IT'S DOING THOSE 10 TO 12 FUNERALS A YEAR. SO THE TRAFFIC'S STILL THERE. THEY JUST GO OFF CAMPUS FOR THE BURIAL. NOW THEY'LL STAY ON CAMPUS FOR THE BURIAL. SO I DON'T SEE TRAFFIC ADDING ON. UM, I LIKE THE PRESERVATION OF THE NATURAL LANDS. UH, SEEMS TO ME IT'S ACTUALLY A COMPATIBLE USE WITH THE AREA RATHER THAN PUTTING IN MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE SPECIFICITY ON THE COLUM AREA. UM, I'M WORRIED ABOUT A PROLIFERATION OF THEM IN ONE CENTRAL AREA. UM, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM KEPT SHORT SO THAT THE NEIGHBORS DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THEM. UM, AND I ACTUALLY LIKE THE SLOW GROWTH. I UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S CONCERN, AND THAT MAY BE THE DRIVER OF PHASE THREE. WE CAN'T HAVE A LANDLOCKED UNDESIGNATED PARCEL. UM, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THE CHURCH IS GONNA DO ONE BURIAL AT A TIME, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEFORE WE'RE EVEN GONNA GET TO PHASE THREE IF THE NUMBERS WORK OUT. SO THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS. ONE, AGAIN, APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS TONIGHT. AS MR. CHINOOK SAID, OUR JOB IS TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND, AND MAKE THE BEST JUDGMENT THAT WE CAN. UM, EACH ONE OF THESE CASES, WE GET A BOOK OF INFORMATION. WE HAVE 419 PAGES IN THIS CASE THAT INCLU INCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED BY STAFF TO HELP US MAKE THESE DECISIONS. I DON'T THINK THAT INCLUDES THE GREEN BOOK EITHER, SO THERE'S PROBABLY MORE PAGES THAN THAT, WHICH WE'VE ALL REVIEWED. SO AGAIN, A TON OF INFORMATION THAT WE'VE HAD TO, TO LOOK THROUGH. UM, I HEARD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE PLAN'S TOO BIG. IT'S, IT'S TOO, IT'S TOO LONG RANGE, BUT WE ARE A PLANNING AUTHORITY, RIGHT? WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. USUALLY THE FUTURE IS ONLY 10 OR 20 YEARS. THIS MIGHT BE 150 YEARS. BUT IF YOU COME IN WITH A PLAN FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE WANT TO KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA BE USED UNTIL IT'S COMPLETE. AND SO IT MAY LOOK LIKE A BIG PLAN, BUT IT'S A LONG RANGE PLAN. SO, UM, I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT HAS CREATED A WELLTH THOUGHT OUT PLAN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE CITY. WE WANT WELL THOUGHT OUT PLANS THAT CONTRIBUTE, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS ARE IMPORTANT. UM, I THINK IT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHURCH'S MISSION, RIGHT? THIS IS SUPPORTING THEIR MISSION, AND I, I, I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL TO THAT. THIS IS THEIR LAND. THEY WANNA DO SOMETHING THAT SUPPORTS WHO THEY ARE AS A CHURCH AND HOW THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY. SO I SEE, I UNDERSTAND THAT PERSPECTIVE OF WHY THEY'RE DOING THIS. UM, I LOVE, THERE HAS BEEN MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WITH THE COMMUNITY, A NUMBER OF MEETINGS. THERE'S BEEN WORK SESSIONS IN WHICH THERE WERE IDEAS SHARED THAT THE CHURCH INCORPORATED INTO THEIR PLAN. SO WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THAT BACK AND FORTH, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING, UH, COMMUNITY CONCERNS AS YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND I, I SEE THAT HAPPENING HERE. UM, I, I WAS, UH, STRUCK ALSO, THIS IS A 10, 8, 10 PLUS ACRE PARCEL, BUT ONLY FOUR ACRES IS BEING USED FOR THE MEMORIAL PURPOSE, WHICH I, AGAIN, THAT'S A, A, A, A NICE KIND OF THINKING ABOUT ALL THAT OTHER LAND THAT'S USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S CREATING, I BELIEVE, UM, AN OPEN SPACE RESOURCE, NOT ONLY FOR FOR THE CHURCH, BUT THEY'VE ADMITTED THAT THEY'RE, THEY WOULD WELCOME THE COMMUNITY INTO IT. UM, AS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, I COULD SEE THIS JUST BEING A BEAUTIFUL PLACE JUST TO GO FOR A WALK. UM, AND IT'S GONNA BE QUIET AND CONTEMPLATIVE AND, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF OUR FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE LAYING, LYING IN REST. AND IT'S A PLACE TO CELEBRATE THAT. SO I, I THINK ABOUT THAT ALSO. SO I, I, I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, I REVIEWED ALL OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND ABOUT PROPERTY VALVES AND ALL THAT. I, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS ASSET TO THIS AREA. AND SO IN THAT RESPECT, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT. AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME TWEAKS THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER STEP IN THE PROCESS, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO THE DETAIL OF WHAT'S A COLUMN BARIUM REALLY LOOK LIKE. UM, AND I THINK, I THINK AGAIN, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE PROCESS. SO I AM AGAIN SUPPORTIVE. [02:55:02] SO WITH THAT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? I WILL, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST FOR DISCUSSION, UM, JUST ON TWO C, DID, DID ANYONE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION AROUND THAT WAS, UH, MENTIONED AS, UH, BY SARAH AS LIKE A, YOU'D REMOVE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS FOR CERTAIN THINGS? IS THAT JUST A REQUIREMENT FOR GRAVE SITES? IS THAT A PLACE WHERE WE'D WANT TO LEAVE THAT FOR NOW IN ORDER TO LEVERAGE THE, I MEAN, I, DOES THIS INCLUDE COLUMN BARIUMS, I GUESS, OR WHAT ALL WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE ART RELIGIOUS MARKERS, SCULPTURES? I CAN, I CAN CLARIFY THAT. SURE. SO WE HAVE THE HEADSTONES, WHICH INCLUDE THE PILLOW MARKERS AND THE FLUSH STONES, AND THEN THE COLUMN AREA THAT IS NOT A PART OF THIS RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL. GOT IT. THANK YOU. WHAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT ARE THE ART PIECES THAT WOULD BE ONE IN EACH OF THE SUB AREA OF B AND POTENTIAL RELIGIOUS MARKERS. UM, SMALL SCULPTURES. THE APPLICANT HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING LIKE, UM, A SCRIPTURE ENG CARVED OR ENGRAVED INTO A BOULDER, FOR EXAMPLE, AND SOMETHING ON THAT SCALE WE DON'T FEEL THAT WE NEED TO BE REVIEWING. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. UM, CAN I, CAN I ASK YOU, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, PLEASE DO THIS. THIS IS, WE ARE, WE'RE DISCUSSING, YES. ALRIGHT, PERFECT. ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION. SO BACK AGAIN, BACK TO THE, THE, THE CAPACITY. MOST GARDENS, CEMETERIES HAVE A CAPACITY THAT YOU GET TO, AND THEN THAT'S IT. SO YOU DON'T THINK, JUST SO THAT FOR THE APPLICANT'S FEEDBACK, DO WE DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT ANY KIND OF, THEY SHOULD REDUCE THE CAPACITY HERE AT ALL. YOU THINK IT'S OKAY AS IS? I DON'T QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET TO THAT CAPACITY BECAUSE THEY'VE, THEY'VE LA LAID OUT A WHOLE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT TO, AND I'M HAVE THE SAME CONCERN. I'M WONDERING IF THE TIMING FOR THAT IS FDP, BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I SAY. I, I WANT TO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THEN MAYBE THAT'S A, A WARNING TO THE APPLICANT IF THIS MOVES ON, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO STILL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, OR AT LEAST SOME OF US DO. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THIS STAGE OR LATER. UH, AGAIN, I THINK TIME IS GONNA HEAL ALL WOUNDS AT 10 TO 20 A YEAR. WE'LL, WE'LL NEVER GET, WE'LL, NEVER EVER REACH A MAXIMUM. SO, SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF KIND OF LIMITING IT LOWER IF IT'S NEVER EVER GONNA BE REACHED TO THIS NUMBER? IF THIS IS UNREALISTIC, MR, IS IT ON OUR PURVIEW, MR. BOGGS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO? I KNOW WE CAN PROBABLY DO IT, BUT IT, I WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT THE RIGHT, SO WHY THERE ARE, THERE ARE CAPACITY LIMITATIONS OVERALL AND FOR EACH SUB AREA, OR EACH B IS THE ONLY SUB AREA THAT HAS EITHER BURIALS OR COLUMN AREA. AND WITHIN B, THE SUB SUB AREAS OF B HAVE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY LIMITATIONS. SO WHILE I SUPPOSE THAT THOSE COULD BE REVISED AS A CONDITION BY THE COMMISSION, I'M NOT SURE WHAT BASIS THERE WOULD BE TO PICK A NUMBER OUT OF THE AIR. I MEAN, TO, TO ME THERE'S THE, THERE'S THE GRAVE SITES AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THINGS THAT OCCUPY LAND, BUT THE COLUMBARIUM IS THE, THE WILD CARD BECAUSE THOSE COULD BE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS AND DIFFERENT CAPACITIES. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MEASURE THAT, NOT KNOWING EXACTLY THE DESIGN OF A COLUMBARIUM AND HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, NICHES THAT YOU CAN FIT IN EACH ONE. RIGHT. AND IF WE PUT MORE RESTRICTIONS, WE MAY GET TO JAMIE'S POINT AND SOME OF THE OTHER POINTS ABOUT THE COLUMN BARIUM, IF WE PUT MORE RESTRICTIONS OR DISCUSS MORE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT THE COLUMN BARIUM CAN BE, YEAH, FOR INSTANCE, I'D SUPPORT A FIVE FOOT LIMIT SIZE OF IT. THE HEIGHT, THE LENGTH DENSITY GETS CAN GET REDUCED THAT WAY. I'M LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO COME UP WITH THE, I'D SUPPORT A FIVE FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT AT THE VERY LEAST, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS LENGTH. THAT'S LESS CONCERNING TO ME PERSONALLY. UM, SO I THINK STAFF HAD SAID WHEN YOU GOT TO THE BACK SECTION OF THE TYPE, THEY HAD PUSHED OUR APPLICANT AND THEY COULD CERTAINLY RESPOND THAT THEY NEEDED TO PROVIDE THAT DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE WHOLE AREA. REALISTICALLY, IF THEY AREN'T EVER GONNA DEVELOP THAT, THERE IS A POINT THEY WOULD LIKELY COME BACK AND CHANGE THE TEXT OF THE PUD, POSSIBLY MAKE IT SOMETHING ELSE. SO I WASN'T CONCERNED ABOUT THAT LIMITATION. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE FILLING THIS UP AND ANY GREAT EXPEDIENCY THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE GETTING TO THAT POINT. [03:00:01] AND I FELT, AND THEY CAN CERTAINLY COME FORWARD AND IF THEY WANNA CONFIRM THAT OR IF STAFF WANTS TO CONFIRM THAT IF THEY HAD ASKED FOR JUST DOING IT A CERTAIN SECTION, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE STAFF WOULD BE COMING FROM, YOU CAN'T LEAVE A PIECE OF PURPLE THAT YOU FEEL THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE ACCESS TO AND IS LANDLOCKED WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO PLAN SOMETHING UP FRONT. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOOD LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS. OKAY. UM, SO I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A, UH, MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL. I'M GONNA SAY THAT JUST THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE TONIGHT FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WERE THINKING WE WERE CITY COUNCIL. WE ARE NOT CITY COUNCIL, WE ARE THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION. WE ARE NOT APPROVING THIS. WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS, UH, MOTION IS THEN TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF REZONING AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE FALLING CONDITIONS. SO I'M LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO MAKE THAT MOTION. SO QUESTION JUST BEFORE WE VOTE, AND STAFF CAN ASK THIS, BECAUSE I DID HAVE CONCERN ABOUT, UM, THE LANGUAGE FOR ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS. AND SO WOULD WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RE-REVIEW THAT WHEN IT COMES THROUGH FOR THE FINAL IN, OR ARE WE BASICALLY GIVING CARTE BLANCHE FOR THE T AS THIS SITS RIGHT NOW? WELL, THE TEXT DOES SPECIFY THE USE OF CONCRETE MASONRY UNITS, WHICH I'M, I'M GUESSING IS THE OBJECT OF CONCERN. IT, IT, IT IS, IT WAS ALSO THE DIFFERENCE. I MIGHT, I, I MIGHT BE METAL, I MIGHT BE, UM, PRESSURE TREATED WOOD. I MIGHT HAVE A METAL ROOF ON THE BUILDING. I MIGHT HAVE SHINGLES ON THE BUILDING. I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF THEY WERE MIRRORING THE MATERIALS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON, ON THE CHURCH. BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THAT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A CONDITION THAT WE COULD PUT THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT LANGUAGE TO BE FURTHER DEFINED IN THE FUTURE WITHOUT HOLDING UP A VOTE ON ALL OF THE TEXT, BUT WE'RE RELYING ON STAFF TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AND RIGHT AS, AS THIS READS RIGHT NOW. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LIMIT THE MATERIALS IN A, IN A DIFFERENT WAY OR SUGGEST SOMETHING DIFFERENT, YOU CAN ADD A CONDITION. RIGHT. I I'M ACTUALLY COMFORTABLE WITH STAT WITH THE WAY IT'S READING RIGHT NOW. YEAH. THE, THE LIST OF MATERIALS, WHICH I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST THAT IS ON PAGE EIGHT OF 14 IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT TEXTS. YEAH. PAGE EIGHT OF 14. YEP. I MEAN, SO IF, IF THEY WERE TO COME FORWARD WITH A PLAN FOR THAT CHAPEL THAT HAD SOME COMBINATION OF THOSE MATERIALS THAT ARE LISTED, UM, WHILE IT WOULD COME BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL, THERE WOULD NOT BE GROUNDS TO DENY IT IF THOSE ARE THE MATERIALS THAT THAT CHAPEL IS COMPOSED OF. SO IF, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO ADDRESS MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF COMMISSION OR NEWELL MENTIONED MATERIALS THAT ARE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE ST. JOHN'S LUTHERAN CHURCH BUILDING ITSELF, UM, THAT I THINK WOULD GIVE SUFFICIENT GUIDANCE TO STAFF, UM, WOULD GIVE YOU A, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY WHO'S FAMILIAR WITH THE CHURCH WOULD KNOW THE MENU OF MATERIALS THAT IT HAS. AND THEN TO THE EXTENT THAT THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, DUE TO TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENTS OR OR OTHER BUILDING MATERIALS IMPROVEMENTS, THEY COULD COME FORWARD IN THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REQUEST A MINOR TEXT AMENDMENT TO ADDRESS THOSE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENCES THAT MIGHT BE, UM, PRUDENT. WELL, WE HAVE THREE ARCHITECTS ON THE COMMISSION. I DEFER TO, UH, I LIKE THE MATERIALS MATCHING THE HISTORIC CHURCH QUITE HONESTLY. UM, I APPRECIATE THE, UM, COMMENTARY THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING NEW AND MORE MODERN, BUT I THINK YOU CAN MAKE THINGS NEW AND MODERN AND STILL BE RESPECTFUL FOR SOME OF THE FILM ISSUES THAT ARE THERE. UM, SOME OF MY CONCERNS IN REGARDS TO, UM, IT, IT'S AN OPEN AIR STRUCTURE, WHICH I HAVE NO ISSUES FOR, BUT, UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING, UM, MASONRY CMU, WHICH IS, UM, PARTICULARLY [03:05:01] SUSCEPTIBLE TO EFF FLUORESCENCE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF GETTING EXPOSED TO MOISTURE FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE WIFE OF THAT WALL. SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY OBJECTIONS TO IT BEING CMU AS OPPOSED TO ENDING UP WITH LIMESTONE OR ENDING UP WITH BRICK THAT I THINK LONG TERM IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FAVORABLE. AND, UM, MS. HOLT, WOULD MR. FORD BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF THAT, OF ENSURING THAT THE MATERIALS WERE UM, APPROPRIATE? I WOULD NOT IMMEDIATELY SEE THE NEED FOR THAT IF, UNLESS THERE IS A MATERIAL THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE OR SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I, I HATE TO HAMSTRING THE DESIGN TEAM, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE CONCRETE, THERE'S CONCRETE MASONRY UNITS THAT ACTUALLY WOULD WORK WELL, LIKE ROCK FACE, WHICH IS THE TYPE OF CONCRETE MASONRY UNIT THAT'S USED IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. IT'S VERY COMMON GROUND FACE, WHICH LOOKS LIKE GRANITE, WHICH LOOKS CONCRETE MASONRY UNIT. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE YOUR RELUCTANCE AND I, I SHARE THAT RELUCTANCE FOR SPLIT FACE CONCRETE P BUT BOY, I HATE TO, THIS ISN'T ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW UP HERE AND, AND I HATE TO DO WHAT WE DID DO IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, I, IS THERE ANOTHER I I I PERSONALLY WOULD LEAVE IT OPEN. OKAY. LET'S DO A STRAW POLL. DO WE WANT TO ADD SOMETHING ABOUT ARCHITECTURE OR ABOUT MATERIALS, OR DO WE WANT TO JUST LEAVE IT OPEN? I, I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE IT OPEN. YEAH, I'M FINE WITH LEAVING IT OPEN. YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE RESTRICTION ON MATERIALS KNOWLEDGE, SO, SO I'M OUT VOTED. IT'S ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO I READ IN, I I'M, I'M RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE ELSE'S OPINIONS. WELL, AND I, WE APPRECIATE YOUR OPINION TOO, SO DON'T, DON'T BACK DOWN . UM, SO I, I, AGAIN, UM, I, I'M ACCEPTING A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF REZONING AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOP PLAN WITH TWO CONDITIONS. SO MOVED. SECOND. THANK YOU. MS. MAXWELL. MS. NEWELL? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. CHINNOCK? YES. MS. DAMER? YES. YES. MR. WE? YES. AND MR. GARVIN? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. I BELIEVE THERE'S A REQUEST FOR FIVE MINUTES. CHAIR. CAN WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES? YES. DO WE NEED 10 OR DO WE IS FIVE OKAY. IT'S FINE. . OKAY. IT DEPENDS ON THE LINE. YEAH, THERE MAY BE A LINE. OKAY. SO COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE GOING TO GO OUT OF ORDER WITH THE AGENDA TONIGHT. SO I NEED A MOTION TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF THE CASES TO PUT THE CASE NUMBER 26 0 3 3 A FDP NEXT IN THE AGENDA. SO MOVED. THANK YOU. SECOND. THANK YOU. MS. MAXWELL, WOULD YOU CALL THE VOTE? YES. MS. DAMER? YES. MR. GARVIN ABSTAIN. IS THAT A YES, MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. WE, YES. MR. CHINOOK? YES. MR. NEWELL? YES. OKAY. AND SO NOW I'M GOING TO READ IN CASE ZACH, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? NO. I'M [Case #26-033AFDP] GONNA READ IN CASE NUMBER 26 0 3 3 A FDP, DUBLIN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH FARMER'S MARKET REQUEST REVIEW, AND APPROVE OF A TEXT AMENDMENT TO ALLOW A FARMER'S MARKET AS AN ACCESSORY USE AT AN EXISTING CHURCH TO FIVE POINT ACRE SITE IS ON PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, ARLINGTON, BRANDON. AND IT'S LOCATED AT 5 7 7 5 DOUBLE DUBLIN INSURED DRIVE. UM, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION, UH, THERE'S BEEN A DESIRE TO TABLE, UH, THAT CASE TONIGHT. YES. AND SO I'M GONNA NEED A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION. COULD SHE LET HER SAY IT? YES. YES. HI, NIKKI HOGARTH, COULD YOU TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE PLEASE? TURN IT ON? YEAH, JUST THE BASE. THERE'S A BUTTON RIGHT AT THE BASE. GOT IT. OKAY. HI, NIKKI HOGARTH, I'D JUST LIKE TO REQUEST A POSTPONEMENT TO NEXT THURSDAY AT 6:30 PM TO HEAR OUR PROPOSAL. THANK SO COMMISSION. I'M ACCEPTING A MOTION TO TABLE. I ASKED FOR, I HAD TO FORMALLY ASKED FOR THE POSTPONEMENT. SORRY. YEAH, YOU'RE LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE. I JUST TOLD THEM WE WERE GONNA POSTPONE AND THEY'RE LIKE, WAIT. OKAY. SO I, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO POSTPONE, UH, THIS CASE UNTIL NEXT. THE NEXT MEETING. MOTION TO POSTPONE. SECOND. MS. NEWELL? [03:10:01] YES, MR. WE? YES. MR. GARVIN? YES. MS. DAMER? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. AND MR. CHINOOK? YES. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. AND MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, THOSE DOORS LOCK WHEN THEY ARE CLOSED, SO THAT'S WHY I KEEP OPENING THEM. THEY, THEY LOCK, SO IF SOMEONE IS OUT THERE, THEY CANNOT GET BACK IN. SO LET'S LEAVE THEM PROPPED OPEN PLEASE. OKAY, SO [Case #26-025INF] NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER 26 0 2 5 INF RINGS ROAD, MIXED RESIDENTIAL REQUEST FOR INFORMAL REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR A FUTURE MIXED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE APPROXIMATELY 137 ACRE SITE IS ZONED R RURAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED AT 74 95 RINGS ROAD AND PID 2 74 DASH 0 0 1 3 1 1. I WOULD WELCOME THE APPLICANT UP TO THE MICROPHONE AT THIS POINT FOR THEIR PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MR. HUNTER, DO YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME? ? YEAH, . UH, I PROBABLY DO. FOR THE RECORD. UH, MY NAME'S AARON UNDERHILL. I'M WITH UNDERHILL AND HODGE AT 8,000 WALTON PARKWAY IN NEW ALBANY. UH, I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR, UH, SAXON REAL ESTATE AND, UH, WITH ME TONIGHT ARE THEIR REPRESENTATIVES AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES OF MKSK. AND, UH, I'M JUST GONNA INTRODUCE THE PROJECT BRIEFLY, SAY A FEW WORDS, AND THEN GET THEM UP HERE TO DO MOST OF THE, THE PRESENTATION. UM, THIS, THIS PROJECT, UH, IS A MIXED USE OR A MIXED USE PROJECT, BUT REALLY MIXED RESIDENTIAL WITH A, A SMATTERING OF SOME PROPOSED RETAIL. UH, UH, YOU COULD SEE THE MAP ON THE SCREEN. YOU'VE GOT YOUR STAFF REPORT. NO NEED AT THIS LATE HOUR FOR ME TO REITERATE THOSE SPECIFICS, BUT I DO THINK, UH, WHAT THIS PROJECT PRESENTS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, JOINTLY PLAN, UH, A COMMUNITY HERE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY'S EFFORT TO PLAN PHASE THREE OF THE TUTTLE, UH, CROSSING BOULEVARD EXTENSION. UH, I MENTIONED THIS BECAUSE, UH, SOME OF US HERE HAVE LIVED THROUGH THE MILLER FARM PROJECT THAT, UH, HAS HAPPENED NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, IMPACT FROM THE FACT THAT, UH, TUTTLE CROSSING, REALLY THERE WERE NO PLANS BEING, BEING MADE FOR THAT. AND SO I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THE TIMING'S RIGHT WITH THIS APPLICANT THAT, THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE HIT IT WHERE THE CITY IS ACTUALLY UNDERTAKING THEIR OWN EFFORT, UH, BEGINNING THIS YEAR TO TO STUDY THAT AND, AND TO, TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR HOW THAT'S GONNA EXTEND THROUGH THIS SITE. SO IT REALLY, UH, GOES HAND IN HAND IN TERMS OF OUR ABILITY TO, TO PLAN AND HAVE ONE INFLUENCE THE OTHER. UM, THIS PROJECT IS SIMILAR IN ITS USE MIX TO PROJECTS, UH, TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST OF, OF THE SITE IN QUESTION. UM, UH, I THINK SO IT'S VERY COMPATIBLE FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE WITH WHAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE JURISDICTION. UH, BUT IT'S ALSO, UH, SIMILAR IN TERMS OF, UH, OR IT MEETS THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLANS RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL. IN MANY RESPECTS. I WILL NOTE THAT THOSE PROJECTS TO THE SOUTH, WHICH ARE IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, ARE ROUGHLY 7.5 UNITS TO THE ACRE AND 8.5 UNITS TO THE ACRE AT A GROSS DENSITY RESPECTIVELY. AND HERE, UH, YOUR COMMUNITY PLAN CALLS FOR THREE TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE. THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED CONCEPTUALLY THIS EVENING AND INFORMALLY IS ABOUT 4.29 UNITS PER ACRE. THAT MAY, UH, MAY FLUCTUATE A BIT, MAY GO UPWARD A BIT, AND, UH, UH, BUT NOT BY MUCH. BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO A LOT OF DEVELOPERS WHO ARE SEEKING TO MAXIMIZE THE DENSITY AND SQUEEZE EVERYTHING THEY CAN ON A SITE, WHEN A LAND USE PLAN, UH, RECOMMENDS THAT MUCH DENSITY, THIS IS WELL TO THE LOWER END OF WHAT IS RECOMMENDED UNDER YOUR PLAN. SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA BRING, UH, DANIEL SIO UP HERE TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT SAXO, AND THEN WE'LL GET MK SK UP. UM, DANIEL SIO, 3 59 SPRINGFIELD EVE, UH, SUMMIT, NEW JERSEY. UM, THANKS EVERYBODY FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE, AND IT'S BEEN A, A LONG ONE SO FAR, SO I'LL MAKE THESE, THESE COMMENTS BRIEF BEFORE WE, UH, REALLY GET INTO IT. BUT, UM, I'M DAN VID. I'M WITH THE APPLICANT SAXON REAL ESTATE. UM, JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US, JUST, UH, AND MAYBE A NEW NAME TO SOME OF THE FACES UP HERE. UH, BUT WE ARE A, UH, NATIONAL DEVELOPER, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING WORK ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. UH, WE'VE DEVELOPED ABOUT 13 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF DIFFERENT ASSET CLASSES, WHETHER IT'S MIXED USE HOUSING, UH, SOME INDUSTRIAL AS WELL. UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE TAKE A A, A REALLY STRONG APPROACH AND, AND DIFFERENTIATED APPROACH. WE REALLY SEE ALL THESE PROJECTS AS, AS TRULY A PARTNERSHIP, UH, BETWEEN US, THE CITIES AND THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED TO, UH, SHOW YOU THIS ONE AND, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SOMETHING, UH, WE'RE PROUD OF AND, AND REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYONE. SO FROM THAT, I'LL, UH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO TONY WITH MKSK [03:15:02] . HI, I AM BLYTHE PRICE, UH, 4 62 SOUTH LUDLOW STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO, 4 3 2 1 5. UM, AND GOOD EVENING TO EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE WITH US TONIGHT. AND, UM, I'M HERE REPRESENTING MKSK, I'M THE PROJECT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UM, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE AND PRESENTING THE RINGS ROAD DEVELOPMENT PLAN TODAY. SO OUR SITE, UH, IS LOCATED ON THIS EMERGING KIND OF COS GRAY CORRIDOR, UH, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO HILLIARD, THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AND PLAIN CITY, UM, MADISON COUNTY. AND IT IS ALSO LOCATED WITHIN THE HILLIARD SCHOOL DISTRICT, AS WE HAVE OUTLINED IN GREEN ON THE SITE, UM, WITHIN DUBLIN. OUR, UH, PROJECT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN, AND IS PLANNED PRIMARILY FOR RESIDENTIAL USES, UM, WHICH ARE PROJECT ADHERES TO. SO THE NORTH EDGE OF THE SITE RUNS ALONG RINGS ROAD, WHICH IS A LOCAL ROAD. UM, THE EAST EDGE IS COS GRAY, A CONNECTOR ROAD. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO PLANS FOR A, A COMMUTER ROUTE WITH THE TUTTLE CROSSING EXTENSION. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT A PLANNED COMMUTER ROUTE RUNNING ALONG THE EDGE OF THIS SITE CONNECTING. SO THE SITE ITSELF IS ABOUT 136 ACRES. UM, AND THEN TO THE WEST AND SOUTH, UH, THE CITY OF COLUMBUS HAS THE FUTURE JAMESON'S ESTATE DEVELOPMENT. UM, THAT WILL INCLUDE A UTILITY CORRIDOR, UM, WHICH OUR SITE PLANS TO CONNECT TO. THE CLIENT ALREADY HAS, UM, AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, UH, SEWER DEPARTMENT. UM, AND THERE'S A, A MIX OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING AND, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING ON THAT ADJACENT SITE AS WELL. SO LOOKING AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND CHARACTER OF THE SITE, IT'S A, A LARGELY RURAL AREA. UM, THERE'S A POWER LINE THAT BISECTS THE SITE, UM, AND THAT WE'RE WORKING TO INTEGRATE INTO OUR DESIGN. UM, THE SITE IS ALSO HAS HAY AND RUN THAT KINDA RUNS THROUGH THE NORTHERN PART AND THEN DOWN ALONG THE EDGE OF THE SITE AS WELL. UM, LOOKING, YOU CAN SEE THAT BISECTION OF THE SITE WITH THE OVERHEAD POWER LINE AND THE EASEMENT, UM, THAT SURROUNDS THAT. UH, THE, THERE'S AN EXISTING FA, A BEACON JUST TO THE NORTHWESTERN CORNER, UM, OF THE PROPERTY, UH, AND THEN HAY AND RUN RUNNING THROUGH THAT NORTHERN PORTION AND THEN ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE AS WELL. SO THE EXISTING LAND USE IS, UH, AGRICULTURAL RURAL. UM, AND OUR PROPOSED LAND USE WILL BE RESIDENTIAL MIX DENSITY. IT'LL BE, UH, ROUGHLY AROUND THE FOUR DWELLING ACRES PER UNIT. UM, AND, UH, WITH THE LITTLE BIT DENSER, UH, ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE SITE TRANSITIONING TO LESS STENTS AS YOU MOVE SOUTH. UM, WE'VE BEEN INTENTIONAL ABOUT ADHERING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, SO MAKING SURE THAT THE PROJECT SUPPORTS THE USES AND DENSITY OPEN SPACE. UM, AND STREETSCAPE, UH, WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS, UH, THE HAY AND RUN AND THE FLOODPLAINS, UM, AND ENSURED THAT THE PROPERTIES STAY OUT, UH, DEVELOPMENT STAYS OUTSIDE OF THAT FLOODPLAIN. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO, UM, AWARE THAT THERE'S A PLAN TUTTLE CROSSING, UH, WEST, EAST OF THE SITE AND THEN THE AREA WEST OF THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PROCESS. SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO TONY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT THROUGH THE PROPOSED DESIGN. GREAT, THANK YOU. BLYTHE. TONY MURRAY, 4 62 SOUTH LUDLOW ALLEY, UH, MKSK YET GENERALLY, UM, I THINK BLYTHE DID A GREAT JOB OF [03:20:01] SETTING US UP THERE, BUT, UM, GENERALLY I JUST WANNA SHARE WITH EVERYONE, UH, THAT MAY NOT KNOW, UH, THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S CURRENTLY UNDERTAKING, UH, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE DESIGN ENGINEERING ALIGNMENT OF TUTTLE, UH, CROSSING EXTENSION WEST OF COS GRAY THAT HAPPENS TO, I THINK IN A GOOD WAY, COINCIDE WITH OUR PROJECT. AARON ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER. UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'RE NOT JUST THINKING ABOUT OUR SITE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH. TINA, UH, HAVE MET WITH HER SEVERAL TIMES. UH, TRYING TO ALSO UNDERSTAND THE SITE THAT YOU SEE IN PURPLE UP THERE AND MAKING SURE THAT, UH, WHATEVER WE'RE DOING ON OUR SITE AND WHATEVER, UH, IS HAPPENING WITH THE TOTAL EXTENSION ALIGNMENT IS NOT LEAVING SORT OF, UM, REMNANT PARCELS THAT AREN'T DEVELOPABLE. WE'RE TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT, UH, THE DESIGN ITSELF BEYOND THE LIMITS OF OUR SITE. NEXT, UH, WE HAVE RESPONDED TO COMMENTS ALREADY. SEVERAL INFORMAL REVIEWS, DESKTOP REVIEWS HAVE HAPPENED, UH, WITH ZACH AND HIS TEAM NEXT. AND THIS IS THE PLAN WHICH YOU'VE ALL REVIEWED. I THINK GENERALLY, UH, JUST TO REITERATE, THERE'S UM, A FAIR AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING, UH, TO THE SOUTHWEST OF OUR SITE, UH, DIRECTLY WEST OF OUR SITES. MULTI-FAMILY SOUTH OF OUR SITE IS MORE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, IN KEEPING WITH THAT, UH, KIND OF ADJACENT USES AND KEEPING WITH THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN, WE'VE SORT OF PLANNED OUR SITE TO BE MORE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTH, UM, AS IT ABUTS THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ABUTS EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING ALONG COS GRAY TO THE EAST. AND THEN AS WE WORK OUR WAY NORTH, GETTING MORE DENSE, UH, WITH, UM, UH, CONDOS AND THEN MULTIFAMILY AT THE, AT THE TOP, UH, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, OUR PROJECT IS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN GOOD WAYS. IT'S WORKING, IT'S COINCIDING WITH THE PLANNING OFTU EXTENSION BOULEVARD. UH, WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS FORCES UP TO THINK ABOUT THE PHASING OF THE PROJECT. SO HOW DOES INGRESS AND EGRESS TO OUR SITE LOOK TODAY? WE HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT AS WELL AS HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE FEEL ARE CURRENTLY IN FLUX. I THINK THE CITY AGREES WITH US THAT THAT IS IN FLUX AND WE'RE ALL TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT TOGETHER. UM, ONE TRICKY POINT, I JUST WANNA BACK UP REAL QUICK, IS THE FAA BEACON THAT'S FOR DON SCOTTFIELD. THAT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. THAT'S KIND OF IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE. SO AS WE THINK ABOUT JAMESON ESTATES, THE CITY OF COLUMBUS DEVELOPMENT, THAT THAT ROAD THAT KIND OF COMES NORTH AND, UH, TEASE UP WITH HOARD AND RINGS, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF, UH, LOT OF MOVING PARTS IN THAT AREA THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT. GENERALLY, STREET APOLOGIES AGAIN. UH, WE'RE USING ALL THE DUBLIN STANDARDS TO DEVELOP THESE STREETS. I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE POINT ABOUT THIS IS THAT, UH, THE TWO BLACK LINES THAT YOU SEE ARE GOING TO CONNECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT, JAMESON ESTATES TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST. UH, AND, UH, SERVICE CONNECTIONS UP TO RINGS AND COS GRAY BOTH IN THE NEAR TERM AND THEN POTENTIALLY EVENTUALLY TO THE, UH, FUTURE COMMUTER BOULEVARD, WHICH IS, UH, TOTAL CROSSING EXTENSION, UH, OVER 30% OPEN SPACE. UH, PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE EXISTING EASEMENT OF THE POWER LINES THAT RUN THROUGH THERE, BUT I DO THINK WE ARE, WE'RE TRYING TO BE REALLY, UH, THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE AND HOW IT KNITS TOGETHER. THAT WAS A KEY COMMENT, UH, FROM WHEN WE KIND OF, UH, INHERITED THIS PLAN AND STARTED WORKING WITH THE CITY. UH, BUT I THINK THE IDEA AGAIN, UH, MORE BROADLY IS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED OPEN SPACE THAT IS MOST SINGULAR AND MAYBE SERVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF. UH, AND ALSO OPEN SPACE THAT I THINK IS MORE, UH, CONTEXTUAL IN TERMS OF HOW IT RELATES TO HAY AND RUN AND MAYBE BROADER TRAIL OR BROADER OPEN SPACE NETWORK SYSTEMS IN THE FUTURE. UH, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. UH, KIND OF MAYBE ONE OF THOSE MORE, UH, PRIVATE, UH, OPEN SPACES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. AND THE NEXT IS THE LAST SLIDE. UH, JUST AN IDEA OF A LONG HAY AND RUN CREATING, UH, THESE SORT OF TRAILS AND OPEN SPACES THAT COULD LINK TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS AND FUTURE TRAIL SYSTEM IN DUBLIN, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE STAFF PRESENTATION NOW, ZACH AND APPLICANT, FEEL FREE TO SIT DOWN. , YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND THROUGH ALL THIS. WELL, THANK YOU CHAIR AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO DO A CRASH COURSE ON MOST IMPORTANT THINGS TO CONSIDER. THE APPLICANT DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING THEIR PROJECT AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY IS TAKING ON CURRENTLY. UM, SO THE, TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING AT AN INFORMAL REVIEW APPLICATION. THIS IS AN OPTIONAL STEP THAT THE APPLICANT'S DECIDED TO DO, TO THROW AN IDEA OUT TO THE COMMISSION AND SEE IF IT STICKS, SEE, UM, WHAT THE COMMISSION THINKS IN TERMS OF ITS ALIGNMENT WITH THE [03:25:01] COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE CONTEXT OF THE AREA. UM, WHAT TYPES OF LAND USES ARE BEING PROPOSED? GENERAL DENSITIES, SO THINGS LIKE SETBACKS, THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF BUILDINGS. UM, HONESTLY, THE, THE LAYOUT OF A LOT OF THE LOTS THAT IS STILL VERY, VERY BROAD. UM, SO IT, AS MUCH AS THE PLAN SHOWS A LOT OF THOSE THINGS, IT IS, WE ARE VERY, VERY MUCH AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE DO GO THROUGH THIS CONVERSATION. WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK DISCUSSION TONIGHT. UH, SO 137 ACRES ZONED RURAL CURRENTLY, UH, AS STATED, OVERHEAD TRANSMISSION LINES, HAY AND RUN HAVE IMPACTS ON THE SITE. OTHERWISE, IT'S A PRETTY FLAT SITE WITH NOT A LOT OF VEGETATION IMPACTING IT. IT DOES HAVE, UH, ACCESS ON RINGS ROAD TO THE NORTH AND A SMALL SLIVER OF ACCESS ON COS GRAY ROAD ADJACENT TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY OF DUBLIN. FUTURE LAND USE CALLS FOR RESIDENTIAL MIXED DENSITY. UM, WHAT THIS IS INTENDED FOR IS EXACTLY, UH, KINDA WHAT THE TITLE SAYS IS A MIX OF DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL USES AND, AND BUILDING TYPES THROUGHOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ALSO CONNECTS TO SUPPORTING USES SUCH AS, UH, IT COULD INCLUDE SMALL SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL, NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITIES, PARKS, OPEN SPACE SCHOOLS. SO THE, AGAIN, THE PREMISE IS SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT BUILDING FORM ORIENTATION, THAT'S WHERE WE GET THAT MIXED, UH, SENSE HERE WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT, UH, DETACHED HATCH HOMES, COTTAGES, TOWN HOMES, DUPLEX, TRIPLEX, KEEP GOING. UM, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES HERE AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE WHEN WE SEE RESIDENTIAL MIXED DENSITY. THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN IS ONE OF SIX, UH, SPECIAL AREA PLANS WITHIN THE CITY. IT SPANS ABOUT 1500 ACRES, UM, AND IT'S LARGELY INTENDED FOR RESIDENTIAL. THERE ARE SOME POCKETS OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, NOT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, BUT UM, NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE. UH, THERE'S SOME VILLAGE TOWN CENTER WHICH AMLIN IS, PROPO IS SHOWN TO BE IN THE FUTURE. UM, SHOULD IT AGAIN, CONTINUE AND, AND COME INTO THE CITY AND UM, AND DEVELOP FURTHER. AND THAT'S A KEY PART OF THIS AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. UM, THIS IS, THERE'S SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COS GRAY ROAD TO MADISON COUNTY, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN. UM, COS GRAY ROAD IS WHERE YOU SEE THE 12 AND GO AND CUT IT VERTICALLY, UH, AND EVERYTHING TO THE WEST OF THERE IS WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ON THE SCREEN FOR. SO IT'S LOOKING FOR SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OPPORTUNITIES FOR MIXED RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS AGAIN TIES TO THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE AND TRANSITIONING FROM AMLIN AS WELL. UM, AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE SCREEN, AND IT WAS SHOWN IN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS PLANS, WE PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR LAND USE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S BOUNDARIES. WE DO THIS ALL OVER THE CITY. WE HAVE OUR PLANNING AREAS. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP IN THE CITY, BUT AS WE ARE PLANNING AHEAD, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CREATING THE APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONS, UH, FOR THESE USES HERE. AND I'LL, I HAVE A SLIDE THAT TALKS ABOUT THOSE ADJACENT PROPERTIES BECAUSE THAT IS A KEY PART OF THIS. UM, WHEN WE DID ENVISION DUBLIN, THAT WAS BEFORE THOSE REZONINGS HAD COME FORWARD FOR THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES IN COLUMBUS. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW AND THE SITES HIGHLIGHTED IS THAT TRANSITION TO LOWER INTENSITY MIXED RESIDENTIAL. AND THAT CARRIES AS YOU CONTINUE TO GO TOWARDS HERITAGE TRAIL TO THE BOTTOM LEFT THOROUGHFARE PLAN. THIS WAS TOUCHED ON, AND THIS IS A VERY CRITICAL PART OF THIS PROJECT, AND HONESTLY A LOT OF PROJECTS IN THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN IS TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD. UM, CURRENTLY IT DOES STOP OVER AT WILCOX, BUT THIS IS SHOWN AS PHASE THREE OF THIS CONNECTION, AND THAT IS FROM COS GRAY CONNECTING TO 1 61. UM, THE CITY IS GOING TO BE UNDERGOING STUDY OF THIS. WE, ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN TERMS OF ITS CURRENT ALIGNMENT, CONCEPTUAL OR NOT, HAS NOT BEEN THOROUGHLY VETTED. UM, ITS CURRENT ALIGNMENT COULD BE OFF, IT CAN SHIFT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THAT IS, AGAIN, JUST TO VI THIS IS INTENDED TO VISUALIZE WHAT THE AREA COULD LOOK LIKE SHOULD ALL THESE STREET NETWORKS COME INTO PLAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO BE CLEAR, THAT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AND CHANGE AS WE STUDY MORE AND FIGURE OUT. BUT OBVIOUSLY AT ANY POINT WHEN WE GET TO AN IMPLEMENTATION OF THE STREET NETWORK, IT REQUIRES A LOT MORE CONVERSATION, UH, MORE THAN JUST HAVING THAT HERE CONCEPTUALLY. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. BUT TUTTLE CROSSING'S EXPECTED TO BE 180 FEET IN RIGHT OF WAY. UH, SO THAT'S ALL THE AREA, INCLUDING THE STREET AND THEN THE BUFFERS ON THE SIDES AND IT'S A PLANNED COMMUTER BOULEVARD. AND THEN IMES ROAD IS, IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE AND THAT CURRENTLY, UH, EXISTS FURTHER WEST OF THIS AREA, UM, AND WOULD CONNECT IN IN TN AT TUTTLE CROSSING. SO AGAIN, PLAN THOROUGHFARE CAN CERTAINLY EVOLVE AS WE DO GET DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE AREA. [03:30:01] SO THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT I THINK IS THE BEST TO SHOW THE PROXIMITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS OUTSIDE DUBLIN IS OUTSIDE OUR PURVIEW. IT'S WITHIN COLUMBUS PURVIEW. UH, JAMESON ESTATES KIND OF WRAPS THIS PROPOSED SITE. IT'S 264 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT OVER 2000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, 55 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE, AND THEN THE DENSITY IS ABOUT 7.5. HAYDEN PLACE IS FURTHER TO THE SOUTHWEST THERE AS WELL. 140 ACRES DENSITY OF 8.57. SO LOOKING AT THAT COMPARED TO WHAT THE CITY HAD CALLED FOR, UH, IS DEFINITELY A BIG, IT'S A BIG CHANGE FROM WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY INTENDED WITH ENVISION DUBLIN. SO PART OF THIS IS THE SPECIAL AIRPLANE CALLS FOR A TRANSITION FROM AMLIN, AND THAT IS STILL SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD EXPECT. UM, BUT THE QUESTION TONIGHT IS WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE TRANSITION OR BUFFER AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERING THAT MULTIFAMILY, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE HEIGHTS OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE, ARE GONNA BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO WHERE TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HAS SHOWN. SO I WILL NOT, UH, RE-GO OVER THIS. THE APPLICANT DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THIS. UH, THIS IS JUST TO SHOW WHERE THE DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. SO THE FURTHER NORTH YOU GO IN YELLOW IS GARDEN APARTMENTS. YOU HAVE THE BLUE RETAIL NEIGHBORHOOD, RETAIL, UM, THE LIGHT BLUES COMMUNITY AMENITY SPACE. THE RED IS TOWN HOME UNITS, AND THEN ALL THE GREEN IS DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS. UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT SIZE LOTS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT GREEN AREA AS WELL. UH, AND AGAIN, JUST TO SHOW WHERE MULTIFAMILY COULD, UH, BE IN PROXIMITY TO THE SITE. ONE THING TO TO NOTE, AND WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS AS WE'VE MET WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL PORTION OF THAT. IT'S CALLED OUT AS A SECONDARY USE OR SUPPORTING USE. UH, BUT REALLY WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, AND THERE'S EXAMPLES IN OUR COMMUNITY PLAN THAT TALK ABOUT IT, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT, IT NEEDS TO BE INTEGRATED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT CAN'T, THE INTENTION IS NOT FOR THAT TO BE IT'S OWNED THING. UH, IT NEEDS TO BE REALLY INTEGRATED AS PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE MADE COMMENT ON AND I THINK WILL CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. UH, THE APPLICANTS ALSO LOOKED INTO CREATING A HIERARCHY OF STREETS, WHICH IS GREAT. UM, THE STREET TYPES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN ARE DIRECTLY FROM OUR COMMUNITY PLAN. UM, AGAIN, VERY EARLY BROAD STROKES AT THIS POINT, BUT JUST TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS, UH, WITH TUTTLE CROSSING, THAT IS A CONTINUED CONVERSATION THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF WHO DOES IT AND AT WHAT POINT IS IT CREATED, WE WILL KNOW MORE OF THAT AS WE STUDY IT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. BUT AGAIN, AS THE APPLICANT HAS COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME, THEY'RE USING THE CURRENT KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE ALIGNMENTS OF THIS. SO IT CERTAINLY COULD CHANGE AND WILL EVOLVE AND THE APPLICANT'S WELL AWARE OF THAT AS WE'VE TALKED THROUGH THIS PROCESS. UH, AND THEN FINALLY, JUST THE KEY POINT IS, AND WHAT STAFF HAS ITERATE THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS IS YOU HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE. HOW DOES IT GET CONNECTED? HOW DOES IT BECOME A, A SPINE OR FABRIC THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT? UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF EXISTING AREAS ON THE SITE THAT CURRENTLY CAN'T BE DEVELOPED DUE TO TRANSMISSION LINES OR THE STREAM. AND YOU'LL SEE THOSE AT THE, THE NORTHERN POINT, UH, OF THE SITE. THAT CENTRAL SPINE, NORTH SOUTH IS WHERE THOSE EASEMENTS ARE. UM, AND THEN THE STREAM IS FURTHEST ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT CONNECTING THE OTHER PIECES THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED, UM, AS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL. SO WITH THAT, UH, STAFF IS REQUESTING DISCUSSION ON FOUR QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE PUT FORWARD. UM, THE FIRST ONE IS, DOES THE PROPOSAL ALIGN WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN? AND I WOULD ADD TO THAT OF NOT JUST DOES IT MEET THAT, DOES IT MEET THE INTENT OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND ALSO CONSIDER WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND IT, UH, BECAUSE THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHEN, UH, WE ORIGINALLY DRAFTED AND ADOPTED THE COMMUNITY PLAN. UH, LOOKING AT IS THERE APPROPRIATE MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND THEN THE LAYOUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL, IS THAT INTEGRATED THE WAY THAT WE'RE CALLING FOR OR DESIRE IN MIXED RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE? AND THEN DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE LOCATION LAYOUT OF OPEN SPACE ON THE SITE? WITH THAT, I WILL STOP AND, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ZACH. I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION NOW FOR QUESTIONS FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF. MR. CHINOOK . THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN, THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE TONIGHT AND BEING HERE THIS LATE WITH US. UH, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. I GUEST FIRST CAN, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN, I GUESS KIND OF DIVE INTO YOUR VISION A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL COMMUNITY [03:35:01] AMENITIES, AND THEN ALSO IF YOU CAN TALK, WELL, LET'S ANSWER THAT ONE QUE QUESTION FIRST. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, I GUESS WHAT DO YOU PERCEIVE TO BE THIS, THIS RETAIL COMPONENT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL SPACE? IS THIS ON? OKAY, GREAT. UM, THE BEST ANSWER IS IT'S EARLY. UH, I'M NOT SURE WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS YET. EXACTLY. UH, I THINK, I THINK WE AGREE IT WOULD LIKE, WE'D LIKE TO BE INTEGRATED MORE. UM, WE ARE ALSO, YOU KNOW, PER ZACH'S COMMENTS AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH. I ALSO THINK THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO THINK OF IT AS SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE BROADER, UH, VIEW OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS AREA AND NOT JUST INTEGRATED TO THIS SITE, BUT INTEGRATED TO THE AREA. PERFECT. THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH IT TOO. SO THEN IT'S GREAT. AND THEN THE SE MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION WOULD BE WITH THE SURROUNDING MULTIFAMILY, DID YOU ALL CONSIDER THAT I, I MEAN THE SINGLE FAMILY NEXT TO THE MULTIFAMILY DOWN, ESPECIALLY AT THE SOUTH, UM, I GUESS SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE. UM, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT TOO? WHY YOU WENT SINGLE FAMILY AS OPPOSED TO MULTIFAMILY DOWN THERE JUST FOR A VARIETY? WELL, I'LL LET YOU ANSWER. SURE. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK OUR INTENT, UH, THE CLIENT'S INTENT IS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A VARIETY, A DIVERSE SET OF HOUSING, UH, OPPORTUNITIES HERE. UM, NOT ONLY FROM A MARKET STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO JUST FROM A, UM, YOU KNOW, CREATING A GOOD DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOOD KIND OF STANDPOINT. WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE TOWN HOMES IN THE OTHER SPOTS, SO I THINK THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. UM, THE WAY THAT IT KIND OF WORKED OUT, IT, JUST TO ANSWER THE QUESTION MOST DIRECTLY WAS WE SORT OF STARTED SEEING THAT EAST WEST STREET AS A DIVIDING LINE, UH, AND YOU KNOW, WITH MULTIFAMILY ABOVE THAT AND SINGLE FAMILY BELOW, IT SORT OF MADE A NICE, UM, A NICE TRANSITION ZONE, IF YOU WILL. GOTCHA. AND THEN, UM, THE, I THINK, I THINK IT'S SITTING HERE, RIGHT? JUST FOR MY RECOLLECTION, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROPOSAL FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE APARTMENTS ON RINGS? DO YOU HAVE, IS THAT, ARE WE EARLY ON OR, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER. DO WE HAVE HEIGHTS FOUR STORIES? FOUR. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD. MS. THOMAS, UM, JUST A COUPLE QUICK ONES. ZACH ACROSS RINGS ROAD THAT I JUST DROVE IT TODAY, THAT'S, IT'S ONE SINGLE ONE FARMHOUSE, CORRECT? IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF RINGS ROAD? YEAH, CORRECT. OKAY. UM, AND I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP ON JAMIE'S QUESTION ABOUT THE SURROUNDING COLUMBUS AREAS THAT ARE MULTI NOW MULTI, UH, FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF FLIPPING IT SO THAT YOU HAVE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THE MULTI-FAMILY HOMES AND TOWN HOMES CLOSER TO THE COLUMBUS MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE HERE TO TALK TO THE COMMISSION TONIGHT TO GET YOUR GUYS FEEDBACK, UH, AND, AND WE'RE OPEN TO CONSIDERING ANYTHING. OKAY, THANK YOU. I HAVE NOTHING. YEAH, SORRY. AND I, I THINK JUST TO ADD TO THAT TOO, UH, ONE THING THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS LAYOUT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY LOVE THE IDEA OF A GRAND ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, TO A COMMUNITY. SO THERE'S A QUIET WAY TO ENTER AND A, A GRANDER WAY TO ENTER, YOU KNOW, RINGS ROAD AND TUTTLE CROSSING WILL BE THE BUSIER ROADS. SO I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PLAN OUT FOR THE FUTURE WHERE TUTTLE CROSSING IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WHO WANTS TO HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE BY THAT. AND, AND WE'D LIKE THE IDEA TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF CONTROL THAT TRANSITION OF, OF MIXING IN, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE MULTI-FAMILY IS ON THE SOUTH END AS OPPOSED TO HAVING IT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST A SEA OF OF APARTMENTS. UH, I THINK WE, WE DECIDED TO TRY TO BUFFER THE TOWN HOMES AND, AND APARTMENTS FROM TU THE FUTURE TUTTLE CROSSING THAT ACTUALLY, NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT, THAT MAKES SENSE. I I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE MULTI-FAMILY BELOW OR, OR NEAR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE SOUTH. YEAH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S THREE AND FOUR STORY BUILDINGS IS WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING FOR RIGHT NOW. OKAY. UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SEE IT AS AN ISSUE. WE'RE GONNA TRY TO BUFFER AND TRANSITION IT REALLY APPROPRIATELY. WE'RE GONNA SPEND MORE TIME THINKING ABOUT THAT. UM, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE ADJACENT DEVELOPER, UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING THROUGH AS TO LIKE HOW TO DO THAT REALLY IN THE BEST WAY, UM, TO MAKE SURE IT'S COMFORTABLE FOR THE SINGLE GLEN HOMES AS WELL. GOOD, THANKS. THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER. I'LL GO BACK AND FORTH. ZACH, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS DRAWING, AND I GUESS YOU CAN'T SEE THAT, JAMIE, SO I'LL, I'LL THE TRIANGLES THAT ARE CREATED BY THE EXTENSION OF TUTTLE. WHAT, AND, AND I LOOK AT THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN AND IT JUST SHOWS PARTICULARLY THE ONE THAT'S, THAT'S TO THE OH, TOWARDS THE SOUTHWEST, ARE THOSE ENVISIONED AS JUST GREEN SPACE OR RESERVES OR WHAT, WHAT, HOW IS [03:40:01] THAT SPACE ENVISIONED? I'M SORRY, COULD YOU RE ALRIGHT, I WON'T SHOW ME WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE AT. JAMIE'S, JAMIE'S GOT THE WORDS. I'LL POINT. OKAY. YEAH, SO THE PURPLE AREAS, WHAT ARE THOSE ENVISIONED FUTURE. GOT IT. UM, SO THOSE ARE ALSO SHOWN AS RESIDENTIAL SITES IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. UM, THAT LAND IS, IT IS IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN AND THAT'S, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONTACT WITH ANY, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER THERE OR ANY POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. ONE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR ON WITH THE APPLICANT IS WE CANNOT LOOK AT THIS SITE AS ITS OWN AND WITH THE, UH, FLEXIBILITY OF WHERE TUTTLE IS GOING TO BE, WHEREVER THAT LANDS, THERE NEEDS TO BE CONTINUITY BETWEEN ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA. SO IT'S NOT JUST CONNECTING TO WHAT WE KNOW IS HAPPENING, BUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN, UH, TO THE NORTHEAST THERE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY, VERY AWARE OF AND WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CONSIDER AS WE GO THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT. DOES THAT ENVISION THE SINGLE FAMILY OR IT'S JUST UP IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW? SO THAT IS SHOWN AS, THAT'D BE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. SO BETWEEN MIXED AND MEDIUM, IT IS INTENDED TO GET MORE DENSE IN TERMS OF ITS DENSITY AS YOU GET CLOSER TO AMLIN. OKAY. UH, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. YOU EXPLAINED HOW YOU GRADED THE SITE FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. UM, HAVE YOU SEEN ANY PLANS FROM JAMESON ESTATES? SO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ALONG YOUR PERIMETER? YES. OKAY. SO IS IT LIKE A WALL OR, UH, OF MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS? OH, IN TERMS OF, UM, NO, SO WE, UH, I, I APOLOGIZE. WE'VE SEEN A PLAN. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOST RECENT PLAN AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT PERTAINS TO LIKE THE EDGES EDGE TREATMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. DID YOU, KNOWING THAT THERE'RE GOING TO BE MULTIFAMILY THERE, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF GRADING THE SITE USES FROM WEST TO EAST? YEAH, AGAIN, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE HERE FOR YOUR ALL'S FEEDBACK. UM OKAY. A HUNDRED PERCENT. YEAH. WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO CONSIDERATION. IT'S JUST, I JUST, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE ANSWER, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. RIGHT. YEAH. AND I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT THIS, UM, WE SPOKE WITH THE JAMESON STATES PEOPLE, SO WE HAVE, WE'VE RIGHT, WE'VE SEEN THEIR PLAN, BUT IT'S NOT THEIR FINAL PLANS, RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE ACTUALLY STARTED, SO WE'VE GOTTA GET THEIR FINAL PLANS AND WE'RE GONNA WORK THROUGH THAT AS WELL. BUT THE, THE TWO MOST PROMINENT MULT MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS ARE ACTUALLY ON THE WEST SIDE, LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED. SO WE, WE DECIDED TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION, UH, BY THE, THROUGH THE USE OF THE TOWN HOMES, UM, TO KIND OF MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PRODUCT AS A, AS OPPOSED TO THAT, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY LOT WHERE YOU WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE. THE, IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE PLAN, UM, TO THE SOUTH OF US IS ACTUALLY SINGLE FAMILY, UH, OR A SUBDIVISION. AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THOSE MULTI-FAMILY LOTS, UM, IS INTENDED TO BE BUILT TO RENT. SO THEY HAVE IT AS IT'S SHOWN AS MULTIFAMILY BY ZONING, UH, BUT IT'S A SINGLE LOT, UH, CONSOLIDATED OR SINGLE PLAT INSTEAD OF INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED LOTS. SO IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE PLAN LIKE, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WOULD, BUT WHAT WILL BE BUILT THERE WILL ULTIMATELY BE, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE STORY HOMES AS OPPOSED TO A A A FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDING TO THE SOUTH SECTION OF IT. DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC PRODUCTS YOU ALREADY DESIGNED FOR THESE HOUSES THAT YOU ENVISION FOR, FOR OURS, NOT YET. THAT, THAT, THAT'S, I THINK WE WANT TO GET THE SITE PLAN RIGHT FIRST. UM, RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA DO A MIX OF HOMES. UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S, IT SHOWS I THINK THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT LOT SIZES ON THE, UM, ON THE SITE PLAN CURRENTLY. BUT EVEN FURTHER THAN THAT, TO KEEP A BUNCH OF, WE, WE HATE THE IDEA OF A, YOU KNOW, MONOLITHIC DEVELOPMENT WHERE EVERY HOME IS COOKIE CUTTER AND LOOKS THE SAME. SO RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA, UM, WORK THROUGH, ALONG WITH THE DIFFERENTIATION IN LOT SIZES, WE'LL ALSO HAVE DIFFERENTIATION IN HOME TYPES ON THOSE LOT SIZES. SO IF IT'S A 55 FOOT WIDE LOT, THERE MAY BE FIVE DIFFERENT HOME TYPES THAT GO ON IT AND THREE DIFFERENT FACADE COLORS AS WELL. SO IT ALL LOOKS, UH, VERY DIFFERENT. STILL COHESIVE TO A DEGREE, BUT NOT COOKIE CUTTER, HOME AFTER HOME, UM, WITH THAT. SO STILL WORK TO BE DONE AND, AND IN FUTURE MEETINGS WE'LL SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU. THE, UM, HOW DID YOU LOOK ESTABLISH A LOCATION OF THE RETENTION PONDS RIGHT NOW? IS IT JUST TOPOGRAPHY? IS IT, YEAH, IT'S GENERALLY BASED [03:45:01] ON TOPOGRAPHY, UH, WHERE IT'S GONNA ULTIMATELY SLOPE DOWN AND WHERE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO, TO KIND OF PUSH THAT RUNOFF TOWARDS OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, LAID THEM OUT FOR US TO KIND OF ESTABLISH THOSE. SO YOU HAVEN'T DECIDED YET TO MAKE 'EM FEATURES? THEY'RE JUST SORT OF YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK ON THE SITE PLAN, I THINK YOU COULD TALK TO MAYBE THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S EARLY ON THE SOUTH SECTION OF IT, YOU KNOW, WELL, I, I'LL YEAH, I'LL, AS THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, I'LL OFFER THAT. UM, WE HAVE LOCATED THEM WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEER ACCORDING TO THE, TO TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TRIED TO LOCATE THEM NEAR HAYDEN RUN, UH, THINKING THAT THERE WOULD BE KIND OF THIS, UH, RIPARIAN, UM, CORRIDOR AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, RECREATION FOR LIKE A TRAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT EVENTUALLY IN THE FUTURE. ONE OF THE THINGS THE STAFF REPORT NOTED WAS, UM, LINKAGE OF THE PUBLIC SPACES TO ONE ANOTHER AND TO THE GREATER CIRCULATION NETWORK. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE OPEN TO? OF COURSE, YEAH. AND I PROBABLY DIDN'T, UH, UH, CONVEY THAT WELL ENOUGH, BUT I THINK THAT'S, THAT WAS, THAT'S OUR INTENT. ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU COULD SEE THAT, UH, THAT I'M, I HAVE BEEN STARTING TO THINK ABOUT HOW THAT HAPPENS, NOT ONLY ON OUR SITE, BUT HOW THAT EXTENDS BEYOND, JUST LIKE YOU'RE SAYING. THOSE ARE MY INITIAL QUESTIONS. THANKS. YEP. THANK YOU MR. GARVIN. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, I GUESS GENERALLY WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON MIXING, UH, THE, THE HOUSING TYPES AT A TIGHTER LEVEL INSTEAD OF KIND OF SEPARATING THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY? DO YOU THINK THAT MAKES IT TOUGHER TO MARKET AND SELL? OR DO YOU THINK THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT IT HELPS THAT TRANSITION FROM THE MORE DENSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN COLUMBUS? I THINK TO A DEGREE IT'S POSSIBLE TO MIX MORE, YOU KNOW, HOUSING TYPES BETWEEN EACH OTHER. I THINK GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, MARKETABILITY WISE, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, LIKE CERTAINLY LIKE THE 75 FOOT WIDE LOTS THAT WE HAVE ON THE SITE, THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA VALUE SPACE, UH, RIGHT. SO THEM LIVING NEXT TO A TOWN HOME, IT KIND OF TAKES AWAY FROM HAVING THAT 75 FOOT LOT. I THINK WITH SOME OF THE DENSER, SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, YOU COULD WORK IN TOWN HOMES MAYBE IN A MORE MEANINGFUL WAY WHERE IT BUILDS KIND OF THAT, UM, LOOK THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF. BUT LET US TALK INTERNALLY ABOUT THAT. IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO COMMENT TOO MUCH ON THIS SECTION, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S POSSIBILITY TO MAKE, UH, THE TOWNHOMES NOT LOOK SO JARRING RELATIVE TO SINGLE FAMILY. UM, AND THEN FOR STAFF, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY CON UH, CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT MOVING TUTTLE? IT LOOKS LIKE MORE OF THAT POTENTIAL TUTTLE EXPANSION WOULD BE IN CITY OF COLUMBUS. DO YOU THINK IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN THAN THE ORIGINAL PLAN? OR IS IT KIND OF NEGLIGIBLE STILL VERY EARLY IN OUR, YEAH, OUR STUDY? SO I, I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER TO THAT. A LOT OF WHERE THIS HAS SHOWN, UH, HERE I'LL, SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT IT, BUT I'LL SHARE IT. UM, A LOT OF WHERE TUTTLE IS SHOWN IS THROUGH CITY OF DUBLIN LAND, SO THAT'S WHY DUBLIN IS INITIATING THE STUDY OF THIS SECTION. UM, NOW CERTAINLY THERE'S COORDINATION WITH CITY COLUMBUS AND ANY OTHER JURISDICTION THAT THIS COULD POTENTIALLY GO THROUGH, AND THAT'S ALL PART OF OUR STANDARD PRACTICE, BUT JUST WITH WHERE WE'RE AT, THAT'S, I THINK THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE TO COME. YEAH. GREAT. THANKS ZACH. ALL SET. THANK YOU MS. NOEL. UH, SO BACK TO THE TUTTLE ROAD EXTENSION. SO HAS THE CITY ACQUIRED ANY AREA WHERE THAT IS SHOWN CURRENTLY ON THIS PLAN? NO, WE HAVE NOT. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S, IT, IT'S SOMEWHAT HARD TO COMMENT ON THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE THAT'S IN FRONT OF US WITHOUT KNOWING THE RESOLUTION OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH TUTTLE. SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I ASKED A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. CAN YOU CLARIFY TO ME, ARE THOSE TOWN HOMES? CONDOMINIUM, TOWNHOMES RENTAL. OKAY. OKAY. AND, AND LIKE IN A CONDOMINIUM THOUGH, THEY HAVE COMMON SHARED WALLS, SO YEAH. OKAY, THANK YOU. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU. UM, ZACH, THIS IS GONNA BE A WILD QUESTION. UM, THE SIGNATURE TRAIL AS PLANNED RIGHT NOW STOPS AT DARI FIELDS, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT'S, THERE'S THINKING THAT IT WOULD EXTEND TO THE HERITAGE TRAIL. HAS ANYBODY HAD ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT WHERE THAT MIGHT GO? BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU GO WEST FROM DARI FIELDS, ISN'T THAT PLANNED INDUSTRIAL AND DO YOU WANT THE CENTER TRAIL GOING THROUGH THE INDUSTRIAL OR WOULD YOU DIP IT DOWN AND BRING IT THROUGH THIS AREA? THE HERITAGE CONNECTION [03:50:01] I THINK IS A LOT MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD AH, 'CAUSE OF THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR. SO, UH, BELIEVE, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, I'M, I BELIEVE THAT THE PARK IS DOWN FURTHER SOUTH OF THIS AREA FOR, UH, HERITAGE RUNS TRAILHEAD OR HERITAGE PARKS TRAILHEAD. SO I, I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY SUITABLE TO CONNECT THIS SITE TO THAT TRAIL LIKE IT'S RECOMMENDED IN OUR COMMUNITY PLAN. SO IT'S, THE INTENTION IS TO GET TO THE TRAIL HEAD FOR HERITAGE TRAIL, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT. WHICH IS RIGHT, THAT'S SOMEWHERE THERE, THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S PULLED DIRECTLY AS A RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR, OUR SOCIAL AREA PLAN. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THIS APPLICANT SHOULD CONSIDER AS IN THE THINKING OF THE SITE OF HOW THAT MIGHT CONNECT UP TO? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK A KEY PART OF THAT IS UNDERSTANDING AS OTHER PLANS CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AND IF THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE CONNECTING TO THOSE STREETS, THAT IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE CRITICAL THAT THOSE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS WE CONSIDER HERE AS WE WOULD ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY WHERE THE SIGNATURE TRAIL OR JUST ANY OF OUR REGIONAL NETWORKS. AND THE REASON I'M SAYING IT IS THAT THE RISK OF THIS SITE BEING SURROUNDED BY COLUMBUS IS BEING NOT DIFFERENTIATING ITSELF AND THAT IF DUBLIN COULD MANAGE TO ALIGN THE SIGNATURE TRAIL THROUGH HERE, THAT GIVES IT A SENSE OF PLACE THAT THE REST OF IT DOESN'T HAVE. SURE. AND I, I MEAN THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT. THE SIGNATURE TRAIL STUDY DOESN'T CONTEMPLATE IT DROPPING DOWN THIS FAR SOUTH. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. UM, IS THAT SOMETHING, IS IT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE FUTURE? MAYBE, BUT GIVEN WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT AND THAT'S, YOU BRING UP A GREAT POINT OF JUST UNDERSTANDING THE CONTEXT OF, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW FULLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AROUND HERE, BUT WE DO STILL HAVE OUR COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ARE ASKED TO STILL PUSH FORWARD. SO IT IS THAT BALANCE OF KNOWING WHAT WE APPROVED IN 2024, BUT ALSO THE REALIZATION OF WHAT IS OCCURRING AROUND US AND TRYING TO THINK AHEAD AND, AND PLAN FOR THAT AS WELL AND HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT. GREAT. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, AND IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT, APPLICANT IS THIS ROAD THAT CUTS EAST WEST, WHICH I JUST LABELED NEIGHBORHOOD BOULEVARD. UM, DOES THAT HAVE ANY CHARACTERISTICS TO IT THAT WOULD SIGNAL ADJOINING LAND USE OR ACTIVITY ALONG THAT? AND I'M SAYING THAT AS OPPOSED TO LIKE, OH, WE NEED TO PUT THE HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING AND THE RETAIL ON THE EXTENSION OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ALL THE TRAFFIC IS. BUT WHAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS IS SOME KIND OF LIKE PLACEMAKING STUFF, AND I JUST WONDERED IF IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BOULEVARD IN ITS IN, ITS IN THE THINKING ABOUT IT WOULD BE A TYPE OF STREET THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO PUT A UDF ON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SERVING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH, I, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BOULEVARD PROFILE IS A TWO LANE ROAD, UM, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN. SO I, I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO CONSIDER OF WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO CONNECT OPEN, OPEN SPACES. IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST THE LONG OPEN SPACES THAT YOU HAVE, BUT IT'S ALSO A PART OF THE STREETSCAPE THAT YOU DESIGN AND THAT'S VERY INTEGRAL TO, TO OPEN SPACE AND CONNECTIVITY THERE. SO, UM, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, TONY, IF YOU HAD ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SHARE WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD CONTIN CONTINUE TO CONSIDER AS THIS MOVES FORWARD. I, I AGREE. IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY. YEAH, I LIKE THE, THE PREVIOUS PLAN, WHICH I ASSUME YOU GUYS DIDN'T DO THAT, YOU INHERITED THAT PLAN, UM, HAS THE COMMUNITY AMENITY ON THAT STREET, RIGHT? YEAH. AND YOU CHOSE TO PUSH IT FURTHER TO THE NORTH SIDE. YEAH, NO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, I MEAN THOSE, THOSE ELEMENTS ARE GONNA, WHAT'S GONNA MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS HOW DO YOU CREATE THE, THE PLACEMAKING, THE, I MEAN, OH THE PARKS ARE ONE THING, BUT THE JUST OTHER PLACEMAKING OPPORTUNITIES. SO YEAH, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD. AGREE. SO, UM, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS POINT. UH, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT, PLEASE STEP TO THE MICROPHONE AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. OKAY. HI, UM, I'M BRIAN GENTILE. I LIVE AT 5 2 7 5 COS GRAY ROAD. UH, MY PROPERTY, UH, ABUTS UH, THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND AS LOOKING AT THE MAP THAT WAS PRESENTED, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FAR EAST SIDE, AS CLOSE TO COS GRAY AS IT GOES, [03:55:01] THERE'S A VERY SMALL STRIP, I THINK YOU CALLED IT, A, A SLIVER OF LAND. AND THAT INDEED IS WHAT IT IS THAT IS JUST SOUTH OF MY HOUSE. UM, AND IT'S ABOUT 60 FEET WIDE. UM, AND CURRENTLY IT IS A SORT OF A DRIVEWAY, IT'S SORT OF ROCKS AND WAS USED I THINK FOR THE FARMERS TO GET TO A FIELD. UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT, 60 FEET IS MY NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH. AND SO MY CONCERN WITH THIS IS THAT THEY ARE HOPING, OR, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S EARLY FOR THE DEVELOPERS, UM, BUT THEY ARE THINKING OF PUTTING NEIGHBORHOOD BOULEVARD THROUGH THAT SMALL STRIP OF LAND, WHICH, UM, LOOKING AT THE PLANS IS, IS A TWO LANE ROAD WITH A SIDEWALK, WITH A, UM, WITH A MULTIPURPOSE PATH. AND SO IT, THAT TO ME, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT COULD POSSIBLY FIT ON A 60 FOOT WIDE THING WITH, THERE'D BE NO SETBACKS. IT WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY ON OUR PROPERTY LINE. SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND SO AS WANT TO JUST KIND OF SUGGEST IDEAS, I AGAIN UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S, YOU'RE STILL IN THE, THE PLANNING PHASES, BUT WHY DOES THIS ROAD NEED TO BE LOCATED BETWEEN MY PROPERTY AND MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY? UM, ARE THERE ANY REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES THAT YOU COULD PUT THIS ROAD? 'CAUSE I, ON THE PLAN, I SEE THAT THERE'S ALREADY, UM, AN ENTRANCE ONTO RAINS ROAD. THERE'S AN ENTRANCE TO THE WEST, THERE'S AN ENTRANCE TO THE SOUTH. SO POSSIBLY INTO ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN COLUMBUS, THE SOUTHERN, UM, POSSIBLY A ROAD INTO THE SOUTHERN AREA THERE WOULD MAKE TO ME MUCH MORE SENSE THAN DIVIDING UP A NEIGHBORHOOD ON COS GRAY. UM, WHICH WE HAVE THESE LARGE FIVE ACRE PROPERTIES, RURAL PROPERTIES THAT GO ALONG WITH THE ENVISION DUBLIN, UM, PLAN. AND THAT ENVISIONED DUBLIN PLAN TALKS ABOUT PRESERVING RURAL, RURAL CHARACTER OF THE TERRITORY AND THE AREA, BUT THAT ROAD IS NOT GONNA HAVE ENOUGH SET SETBACKS FOR THAT AREA. SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND WOULD ASK THEM TO CONSIDER HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT TRAFFIC AND ESSENTIALLY TURN MY LOT AND MY NEIGHBOR'S LOT INTO CORNER LOTS. AND SO WE NOW HAVE A ROAD ON BOTH SIDES WITH THE INCREASED TRAFFIC, UM, ISSUES WITH PRIVACY, IF THERE'S RESIDENTIAL HERE, THERE'S MIXED THINGS, THERE'S RETAIL, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN ADDITION TO THAT, HOW IT EMPTIES OUT ONTO COS GRAY, WHICH IS ALREADY A VERY BUSY ROAD. HOW ARE PEOPLE GONNA TRULY TURN LEFT OR RIGHT INTO THAT AREA? SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? REPUBLIC COMMENT. I THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME AND OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME'S JEFF BRIER. MY ADDRESS IS 73 93 RINGS ROAD. I DIRECTLY ABUT THE PROPERTY NEXT TO THE HIGH TENSION POWER LINES IN A HISTORICAL FARMSTEAD. MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT THIS FARMHOUSE 25 YEARS AGO. PART OF THE REASON WE BOUGHT WHERE WE WERE IS BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN, OR NOT IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN, BUT IT WAS CL VERY CLOSE TO DUBLIN. WE KNEW THAT WE WOULD BE PROTECTED FROM HIGH DENSITY TYPE, UM, DEVELOPMENT. UM, FOR THE LONGEST TIME EVERYTHING AROUND US WAS ALL DEVELOPED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. WE NOW HAVE INDUSTRIAL BEING PROPOSED ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME. I'M DISAPPOINTED. VERY MUCH SO WITH THAT. NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT MULTI-FAMILY ON DIRECTLY TO OUR WEST. UM, I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED SO MUCH. ONE OF THE COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY WAS, WELL TO THE SOUTH IS COLO, SOUTH AND WEST IS COLUMBUS AND IT'S HIGH DENSITY. WELL THAT'S WHY WE'RE WHERE WE'RE AT. 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN COLUMBUS. WE WANTED TO BE IN A MUCH LOWER DENSITY AREA, NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PROPOSAL UP THERE ON THE STREET, I KNOW IT'S ALL VERY EARLY ON IN THIS PROCESS OF WHERE TUTTLE CROSSING IS. WE'RE RIGHT THERE. TUTTLE CROSSING EXTENSION IS GOING RIGHT THROUGH MY FARMHOUSE. THAT IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE. DUBLIN HAS ALWAYS PROTECTED HISTORIC HOMES, LONGSTANDING RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN PROTECTED WITH BUFFERING WITH [04:00:01] ALL SORTS OF PROTECTION SO THAT THEY ARE NOT INFRINGED UPON. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THE TOTAL EXTENSION CAN'T GO THERE. I KNOW IT'S STILL EARLY, IT'S GOTTA CHANGE. I THINK THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO BE REDONE. RETHOUGHT ABOUT THE DENSE DENSITY IS MUCH HIGHER THAN ANY OF US WOULD'VE EVER THOUGHT OF TWO, THREE YEARS AGO IF IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE LIKE THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. TODD HEMMER 5 8 2 4 HUARD ROAD. UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY AND HEALTH OF THE RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THESE NEW RESIDENTS GONNA BE GOING IN. AS YOU AS MY FELLOW, UH, MEMBER JUST WALKED UP HERE, ID TWO IS PROPOSED DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WAREHOUSES, MANUFACTURING AND DISTRIBUTION. SO I DON'T THINK THIS PLAN IS WELL THOUGHT OUT OVERALL IN THAT AREA. SO THAT'S A BIG SAFETY CONCERN. UH, AS FAR AS ALSO ANOTHER HEALTH CONCERN IS THESE HIGH TENSION LINES. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE HOMES PRACTICALLY DIRECTLY UNDER HIGH TENSION LINES. AND YOU CAN LOOK ON THE, ON THE, KIND OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. THERE'S EMF AND YOU KNOW, EMISSIONS. SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. THE DENSITY OF THE, OF THE DENSITY IS VERY HIGH. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW YOU GUYS CALCULATE THAT, BUT I COUNT ABOUT 600 DIFFERENT TYPES OF FACILITIES OR UNITS BEING BUILT. I AVERAGE ABOUT THREE PEOPLE IN MY MIND PER UNIT. THAT'S 1800 PEOPLE. AND UH, IF YOU DIVIDE THAT IT'S ABOUT 13 PEOPLE PER ACRE. SO I DO NEED TO BE EDUCATED ON HOW THAT IS CALCULATED. IT DOESN'T QUITE ADD UP IN MY MIND, BUT I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT AMOUNT. THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF TOWN HOMES AND APARTMENTS GOING IN ON THE ROAD SOUTH OF BALANCE TRAY, THE PONDEROSA. SO WHERE ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING FROM? WHERE'S THE DATA TO SAY THAT WE CAN SUPPORT MORE APARTMENTS AND MORE TOWN HOMES IN THIS AREA? THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LACKING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE KIND OF INVERSES OUT. AND THEN THE FLOODPLAIN IS VERY INTERESTING. IT SAYS A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN IS BEING PROTECTED, BUT, AND ALSO THE LITERATURE, THERE'S A 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND THAT WOULD BE ENCROACHING ON SOME OF THESE HOMES. SO I, I WOULD THINK WE'D WANT TO GUARANTEE A 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN IF WE'RE BEING, UH, CONSIDERED. AND THEN FINALLY, AS, UH, THE, UH, ONE OF THE MEMBERS HERE JUST TALKED ABOUT, IT'S REALLY HARD TO UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING TUTTLE MALL. IF THIS GOES IN IMMEDIATELY, THERE'LL ONLY BE BASICALLY TWO ENTRANCE POINTS AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'D BE PUT ONTO COS GRAY AND HOCHER WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH A NIGHTMARE. SO I'M SURE IT'S EARLY IN THE PLAN AND THEY'LL BE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING THESE ROADS FIRST BEFORE THIS IS APPROVED. UM, THAT'S BASICALLY ALL MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR NIGHT. THANK YOU. OH ONE, SORRY, ONE OTHER THING. IF, IF, IF YOU WANT A, UH, PUT A, A CEMETERY IN HOARD ROAD WITH A, YOU KNOW, I'LL TAKE THE CEMETERY ANY DAY OF THE WEEK OVER THIS WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION. I MEAN, YOU HAVE NO IDEA. SO PLEASE GIVE ME ALL THE CEMETERIES YOU WANT ON HOARD ROAD. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT? YEP. UH, HI, MY NAME'S NATE WATKINS. UH, 5 2 3 7 COS GRAY ROAD. I'M TWO PARCELS SOUTH OF THAT BLACK, UM, COS GRAY ENTRANCE THAT THE GENTLEMAN BACK THERE TALKED ABOUT. AND SO THAT COMMUTER BOULEVARD OR THE TUTTLE CROSSING EXTENSION IS RUNNING STRAIGHT THROUGH OUR FRONT DOOR. UH, CURRENTLY BASED ON THE, THE VISUAL, I KNOW THAT IT'S EARLY IN, IN THE PLANS THERE. UM, SO I JUST WANNA REITERATE THE, THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS ON, ON COS GRAY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION OF RINGS ROAD AND COS GRAY CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DEEMED TO BE A HIGH RISK INTERSECTION BASED, UH, UPON THE CITY OF DUBLIN. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN TALKS ABOUT TURNING THAT INTO A, A ROUNDABOUT, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT BE SITTING THERE FOR TWO MINUTES, THREE MINUTES TO TURN LEFT ONTO RINGS ROAD FROM COS GRAY. I SEE THE SAME EXACT ISSUE HAPPENING WITH THAT CURRENT ENTRANCE, UH, COMING ON THE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COS GRAY. AND SO I JUST WANNA REITERATE THE COMMENTS THERE ON, ON TRAFFIC CONCERNS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? I'M GOING FROM A COUNTDOWN GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE, GOING THROUGH ICE. OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. WE'RE NOW GONNA LOOK BACK TO THE COMMISSION TO ADDRESS THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR US TONIGHT. UM, MR. ALEXANDER, YOU WANNA START OFF AGAIN? I THINK I MADE MY COMMENTS EARLIER WHEN I ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, [04:05:01] I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OF THE PROPOSAL. OKAY, THANK YOU MR. GARVIN. UH, I'LL RUN DOWN THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS. I GUESS. SO, UM, STARTING WITH THE FIRST ONE, I THINK IT ALIGNS A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE SURROUNDING, UH, COLUMBUS DENSITY THAN WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN. UM, AND EVEN THOUGH I LIKE ON THE SECOND QUESTION HERE, EVEN THOUGH I LIKE THE MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AS I HINTED, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME WAY TO TRANSITION FROM THAT HIGH DENSITY IN THE COLUMBUS AND MAKE IT MORE IMMEDIATELY FEEL LIKE DUBLIN. UM, BY, BY USE OF THAT SCALE OF THE, UH, DENSITY, UM, GENERAL LAYOUT OF THIS SITE. ONE THING I DON'T LOVE IS THAT A LOT OF THAT GREEN SPACE IS UNDER THE POWER LINES. I THINK THE IDEA FOR THESE GREEN SPACE IS THAT IT'S USEFUL AND THAT IT'S A PARK AND THAT IT KIND OF BLENDS IN. UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS SEE GRASS UNDER THE POWER LINES. PEOPLE DON'T, AREN'T ATTRACTED TO IT TYPICALLY. SO, UM, LOCATION AND LAYOUT OF OPEN SPACE. I GUESS I ADDRESSED THAT THERE. UH, ANY OTHER, UH, CONSIDERATIONS? I DO THINK, UM, THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS RELEVANT ABOUT CONNECTION POINTS. I KNOW WE DON'T KNOW A LOT OF THIS. I THINK IT'LL BE IMPORTANT AS YOU'VE SEEN WITH OTHER CASES, UH, TO HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESIDENTS AROUND THERE TO MAKE THIS AS SMOOTH OF A PROCE OF A PROCESS FOR YOU AS POSSIBLE. UM, AND THEN JUST IN GENERAL, UH, LOOKING AT THE DENSITY THERE, I I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A SLIGHTLY LOWER DENSITY, UH, FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ANY OF THE PARTICULAR HOUSING TYPES, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THE TOWNHOME MASS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. AND, UM, I WORRY THAT THAT WILL, UM, MORE BE A CONTINUATION OF THE COLUMBUS PROPERTY IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THAT, THAT BULK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. DOELL. MY COMMENTS, UM, ALMOST EXACTLY MIRROR YOURS. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY HARD TO MAKE ANY COMMENT ON THE LAYOUT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH TUTTLE ROAD AND IT WOULD COM COM COMPLETELY CHANGE THE LAYOUT ON THE SITE. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING A DIFFERENT MIX OF HOUSING, BUT I AGREE, UM, THE DENSITY THAT IS COMING DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DENSITY WORSE WITHIN OUR OWN COMMUNITY. SO, UM, I DON'T THINK IT FULLY ALIGNS WITH OUR COMMUNITY PLAN. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . MR. CHINOOK? UM, YEAH, I, I KIND OF ECHO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN SAYING. I, I, I ACTUALLY, I DO LIKE THE, THE, UM, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS VARIATION OF RESIDENTIAL, I THINK IT'S NICE HOW YOU'VE BROKEN IT UP AND KIND OF KEEP KEPT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME SEPARATE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT I, I I I THINK IT'S, I I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT. IT'S REALLY HARD TO MAKE A DETERMINATION, MAKE REALLY STRONG RECOMMENDATIONS. 'CAUSE IF TUTTLE GOES THROUGH, ITS AS IT'S SHOWN HERE, IT'S TAKING UP A LOT OF GREEN SPACE AND THEN IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL DOESN'T REALLY FIT THERE. IF I JUST, IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO MAKE A DETERMINATION FOR ME. I I, I DO THINK OVERALL THOUGH, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S OKAY, IT'S HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGE YOU TO THINK OF THINGS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK PLACEMAKING IS A GREAT WORD, BUT STREET ACTIVATION, MAKE IT UNIQUE. DON'T MAKE IT JUST A CONTINUATION OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND IT. MAKE IT, MAKE IT SPECIAL TO DOUBLE. AND I THINK WE ALWAYS LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, CONNECTIVITY OF THE GREEN SPACES IS IMPORTANT, WHICH STAFF BROUGHT UP, BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS WE CAN DO HERE TO, TO NOT JUST BE MORE OF WHAT'S BEING DONE IN THE S ZONING AREA. I THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE THOUGHTFUL AROUND THE, UH, THE, THE, THE LAYOUT HERE. UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO REALLY GIVE SPECIFIC DIRECTION WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT'S, WHAT'S TRULY HAPPENING WITH THE, UH, WITH THE TUTTLE THERE. UM, YEP, THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. THANKS, MS. DENNIS. SIR, I, I FEEL A LITTLE STYMIED BY BOTH THE APPLICANTS SAYING, WELL, WE REALLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WE DON'T KNOW. AND THEN THE SAME THING FROM THE CITY. I FEEL LIKE I NEED BOTH OF YOU TO BE A LITTLE MORE DEFINED, BOTH WITH THE TUTTLE CROSSING, WHERE IT'S GONNA BE AND WHAT YOU ARE ENVISIONING. I DID NOT GET AN ENVISIONED FEELING FROM YOU THE APPLICANT. UM, I, AS IT'S PORTRAYED, I THINK THE LAYOUT IS AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT'S GONNA BE. UM, I I IT'S TOO EARLY. YOU ALL SAID IT WAS TOO EARLY AND YES, IT'S TOO EARLY . I AGREE WITH THAT. THANK YOU. UM, I, I, I REALLY APPRECIATED SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT, UM, THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WHAT IS AROUND IT, IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUELY DUBLIN. AND WHEN I LOOK [04:10:01] AT THE PLAN RIGHT NOW, IT'S GOT THE RIGIDITY THAT YOU SEE IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IN COLUMBUS AND ALONG HAYDEN RUN AND ALL THAT. IT'S, UM, THESE, THESE ROWS OF TOWNHOUSE AS I WAS JUST MEASURING, THEY WERE LIKE 1600 FEET, WHICH IS MORE THAN A QUARTER ACRE, A QUARTER MILE. UM, AND JUST LIKE THESE LONG STRAIGHT LINES, I THINK, I THINK YOU COULD DO SOMETHING REALLY UNIQUE HERE AND ALMOST LIKE PUT BLINDERS ON AT WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND YOU AND SAY, WE WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING REALLY UNIQUE AND SPECIAL IN THIS PART OF DUBLIN. AND IT'S NOT TRYING TO REPEAT WHAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE. UM, AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD BOULEVARD TO ME IS A MORE ATTRACTIVE PLACEMAKING ELEMENT THAN TRYING TO THINK OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD AND NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL AND ALL THAT UP IN THE NORTH ALMOST FEELS LIKE, AND, AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT IS INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE NOT, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY ATTRACTIVE KIND OF DRAWING YOU UP THERE. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE, IF YOU COULD DO SOMETHING IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OPEN SPACE AREAS, I THINK THE ONE TO THE NORTH JUST FEELS ALMOST TOO BIG. IT FEELS LIKE YOU COULD HAVE TWO BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A CLUSTER OF HOUSING THERE THAT'S JUST DENSE AND IT'S JUST NOT BROKEN UP. AND I, I JUST, THE WAY YOU DISTRIBUTE THE OPEN SPACE AND I, AGAIN, THE POWER LINES, THE POWER LINE, I, THAT'S NOT OPEN SPACE. IT'S JUST A POWER LINE. UM, AND EVEN WITH THE SOUTH PARK, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE PARK OFF TO THE WEST SIDE, BUT THAT COULD EVEN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CENTRAL. AND THEN THINKING ABOUT CONNECTING PARKS TOGETHER SO THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S SOMETHING THAT UNITES THINGS. UM, YEAH, I JUST, I THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO REALLY THINK DIFFERENTLY AND, AND IT, AND IT COULD BE, UM, THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE LESS DENSITY AND YOU COULD HAVE A GREATER MIX OF UNITS, LIKE MIX SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES WITH TOWNHOUSES. I MEAN, DO, THERE'S STUFF BEING DONE AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT IS REALLY INNOVATIVE LIKE THAT, OF JUST CREATING A DIFFERENT WAY OF MIXING UP THAT AS OPPOSED TO TOWNHOUSES HERE, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HERE. I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND UH, SO THOSE WOULD BE MY, OH AND I, AGAIN, THE, THE HAY AND RUN, UM, OPPORTUNITY, WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO PIECES OF IT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE WHOLE THING . UM, IT JUST FEELS LIKE, OH, IF THERE'S A FLOODPLAIN AND WE NEED TO KIND OF RESPECT IT AND WE'RE GONNA PUT OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT ALONG IT BECAUSE IT'S THE LOW PART. AND I THINK, AGAIN, THERE'S JUST SOME WAYS TO WEAVE ALL THAT TOGETHER DIFFERENTLY. SO THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS. CAN I, ONE, CAN I ADD AN ADDITIONAL YEAH, PLEASE. SOME, SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER TOO. 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT WILL COME UP, IT ALREADY HAS COME UP AS THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE WITH NOT JUST THIS DEVELOPMENT BUT THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. SO I, IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THE OPPORTUNITY TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC BY HAVING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL BE SOMETHING THAT'S WALKABLE LIKE A SMALL GROCERY STORE OR SOME, SOME COMMUNITY ELEMENT THAT GETS PEOPLE FROM DRIVING AND PEOPLE WALKING TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT WILL COME UP ON TRAFFIC. SO CAN THAT BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT COULD BE A DIFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT? COULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT IT'S A TRUE WALKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE YOUR AMENITIES, EVERYTHING YOU NEED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE. I THINK THAT'D BE A NEAT THING TO KIND OF CONSIDER HERE. SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT. AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE NEW URBANIST EITHER. IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT. SO I MEAN, THIS TO ME LOOKS LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALL AROUND IT. IT'S LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, DENSE, URBAN, YOU KNOW, GRID STREETS AND ALL THAT, BUT THIS SITE COULD BREAK THAT MOLD AND DO SOMETHING COOL. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION O ONLY ONE MORE. UM, WE'VE OFTEN, SINCE THERE'S A HOMESTEAD ON FARMSTEAD ON THIS SITE, WE'VE OFTEN PRESERVED THOSE IN OUR DEVELOPMENTS. UM, IT'S KIND OF A SIGNATURE WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN, SO IN SOME RESPECTS WE LIKE THOSE FEATURES TO GET REINCORPORATED BECOME A LITTLE BIT OF NEIGHBORHOOD PARK CLAN, THINGS LIKE THAT. JUST MY THOUGHTS. E EXCELLENT COMMENT. I DIDN'T, THAT WOULD BE REALLY COOL. YEAH, AND I AGREE WITH THAT'S A, THAT'S A UNIQUELY DUBLIN THING TO DO THAT SO PERFECT APPLICANT. DID WE GIVE YOU ENOUGH FEEDBACK? . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR STAYING LATE AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT SHOWED UP TONIGHT, AND THANK YOU FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AGENDA. OKAY. [COMMUNICATIONS] DO WE HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS TONIGHT? JUST A REMINDER THAT WE HAVE THE, UH, JOINT WORK SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL ON MONDAY NIGHT AND WE ARE DISCUSSING THE CODE AUDIT AND THE BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR. AND SO IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO, IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO WATCH THE JEFF SPEC PRESENTATION ABOUT WALKABILITY BEFORE [04:15:01] THAT, UH, COUNCIL WORK SESSION, HE, HE'S GONNA TOUCH ON THAT BRIEFLY, BUT WE ONLY HAVE TWO HOURS FOR THE WHOLE WORK SESSION. SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SPREAD IT UP BETWEEN TWO TOPICS AND ALLOWING ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU AND COUNCIL TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK. SO IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THAT AHEAD OF TIME, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I'M HERE AT A HEART OF HEARING, SO WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS. COULD YOU REPEAT JUST THE BEGINNING OF WHAT NEEDED TO WATCH? THANK YOU. YEAH. SO, UH, AND, AND MAYBE JAMIE CAN REM IT'S ON, UH, I THINK WE POSTED AN ONBOARD AND MAYBE WE CAN THE WALKABILITY PRESENTATION THAT STAFF SHARED AND IT'S IN ONBOARD. THANK YOU. I GOT IT. EXCELLENT. AND WE'RE GONNA BE ALL BACK HERE NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT TOO, SO HAVING FUN ALL THE WAY AROUND. ALRIGHT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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