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GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME[CALL TO ORDER ]
TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S WEBSITE.
PLEASE JOIN ME NOW FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
S ALLEGIANCE IS FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TWO REPUBLIC FOR RICHARD STANDS, ONE NATION, NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
OKAY, MS. MAXWELL, WOULD YOU READ THE ROLE, PLEASE? MR. ALEXANDER? HERE.
MR. CHINNOCK IS ABSENT THIS EVENING.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES ]
DOCUMENTS, UH, AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS IN THE RECORD AND APPROVE MINUTES OF THE MAY SEVEN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
MS. DAMER ABSTAIN SINCE I WASN'T HERE.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD OF CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATTING A PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
OUR PROCEDURES THIS NIGHT TONIGHT WILL BE THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE.
ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD TO ALLOW ALL A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS AND REFRAIN REFRAIN FROM REPEATING OTHER INFORMATION.
THE COMMISSION HAS RECEIVED ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS AND REVIEWED THEM.
FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SIDE CONVERSATIONS, APPLAUSE, OR OTHER AUDIBLE REACTION TO PUBLIC COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS OF COMMISSIONERS, STAFF, OR APPLICANTS.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID ON THE RECORD AND THAT ALL HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
THIS PROTECTS THE PROCESS, WHICH IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CONCERNED.
SO NOW I'D LIKE TO, UH, SWEAR IN ANY WITNESSES TONIGHT.
SO ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN.
SO PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? YES.
[Case #26-024AFDP ]
AGENDA TONIGHT.UH, THERE IS ONE CASE ELIGIBLE FOR THE C CONSENT AGENDA, CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 0 2 4 A FDP ATRIUM ONE BUILDING SIGNAGE.
DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION, UH, WISH TO TAKE IT OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? NO, BUT I HAD A REALLY SIMPLE QUESTION.
SO MY QUESTION IN REGARDS TO, UM, THE, THE LETTER SIGNAGE IN YOU XED OUT BACKLIT, YET THE SIGNAGE IS BACKLIT.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY IT, IT'S JUST A TERMINOLOGY BACKLIT TO US MEANS THAT IT'S SILHOUETTED AGAINST THE WALL, UH, VERSUS INTERNAL ELIMINATION.
SO, UH, THE, THE IMAGE IS CORRECT.
I WOULD'VE, UM, I GET WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT.
WE WOULD GENERALLY CALL THAT LIKE SHADOW IMAGERY, BUT, BUT THAT'S FINE.
SO, UM, HAVING NO ONE WISHED TO TAKE IT OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS CASE? NOT SEEING ANYBODY JUMP UP FROM THEIR CHAIRS.
I WILL, UH, ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[Case 26-001ADMC]
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NEXT CASE REVIEW.UH, CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 0 0 1 A DMC WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT ADMINISTRATIVE REQUEST CODE AMENDMENT, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL OF APPROVAL OF CODE AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN ZONING CODE SECTIONS 1 5 3 0 2 1 5 3 0 6, AND 1 5 3 0 3 7 3 2 2 FOR THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT AND THE SETBACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE IDI SIX DISTRICT.
SO, UM, MR. HEL, I ASSUME YOU'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT,
UH, WELL, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
UH, IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE TONIGHT.
UH, AS STATED, UH, WE ARE AT THE THIRD STEP OF FIVE IN THIS PROCESS.
SO, UH, WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IS THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE HAD TO THIS DATE FOR THE, UH, WID CODE AMENDMENTS IN THE DESIGN BUFFER.
SO IN JANUARY, UH, WE PRESENTED A WID ROADMAP, OR WHAT, WHAT WAS AN OUTLINE OF WHAT WE WERE INTENDING TO INCLUDE AS CODE AMENDMENTS, UH, BROUGHT THAT BEFORE THE COMMISSION GOT FEEDBACK.
UM, THE LATEST, THIS WAS BEFORE THE COMMISSION WAS MAY 7TH, SO TWO WEEKS AGO, THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD AS AN INTRODUCTION FOR THE FIRST TIME OF, UH, REVIEWING THE ACTUAL CODE AMENDMENTS AND THEN THE OFFICIAL DESIGN MANUAL FOR THE AREA THAT WE'VE REALLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UM, WHICH IS ALONG COS GRAY ROAD.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO TONIGHT IS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT APPROVING OR DISAPPROVING THIS, BUT THEY ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, UH, WHETHER IT BE TO APPROVE OR TO DISAPPROVE, UH, THE CODE AMENDMENTS TO COUNCIL.
AND THEN COUNCIL WILL REVIEW THIS TWICE, UH, WHICH THOSE MEETINGS ARE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 8TH IN JULY 1ST.
SO I'D SAY TONIGHT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID, UH, ON THE SEVENTH, WHERE WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AND DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENTS AND THE UPDATES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE MAY 7TH.
UM, SO LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE CODE AND, AND THE DESIGN MANUAL.
BUT ALONG WITH THAT FEEDBACK, WE ARE LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, TO KEEP MOVING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
UH, SO SOME OF THESE SLIDES ARE CARRY OVER FROM LAST WEEK, BUT ARE A GOOD REMI OR TWO WEEKS AGO, BUT ARE A GOOD REMINDER OF KIND OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND, AND WHAT THIS PROCESS HAS ENTAILED.
UH, STAFF BEGAN THE REZONING PROCESS BACK IN FEBRUARY, 2025.
UH, IT WAS TABLED BY COUNCIL IN AUGUST, 2025 FOLLOWING, UH, CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY THE RESIDENTS.
AND THROUGH THAT COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH MORE TARGETED CODE AMENDMENTS.
THROUGH THAT STAFF DEVELOPED ID SIX ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS BEING CREATED FOR AREAS WHERE A TRANSITION FROM THE WID DEVELOPMENT IS NECESSARY ADJACENT TO MORE SENSITIVE USES, SUCH AS RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AND AS STATED TONIGHT, WE'RE REALLY JUST LOOKING AT THE CODE AMENDMENTS.
ANY SORT OF REZONING CONVERSATION IS, IS NOT APPLICABLE FOR, UH, THE COMMISSION AS THEY HAD MADE UL MADE A RECOMMENDATION LAST YEAR.
UH, SO THE REZONING IS ENTIRELY WITH CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR JULY 1ST.
THIS IS TO SUMMARIZE, UM, HOW, REALLY, HOW MUCH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN PUBLIC MEETINGS, UM, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH SINCE THE START OF THIS, THE REZONING WORK, AND THEN INTO THE CODE AMENDMENT WORK.
SO, UH, THIS CAPTURES ALL THE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD AS WELL AS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
UM, WE'VE TAKEN ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED OVER THE PAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF.
UH, THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS AS WELL AS THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED OVER THE PAST WEEK SINCE THESE NEW MATERIALS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED.
SO THIS IS, UH, PART OF A, A ONE PAGER THAT THAT STAFF HAD DEVELOPED, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA DIVE IN DEPTH TO ALL THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
BUT THIS IS AT LEAST TO CAPTURE VERY BROADLY WHAT ARE THE KEY CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE TO REALLY ADDRESS A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, UM, WITH THIS, THE, THE REZONING AND THE CODE AMENDMENT.
SO WE'VE CREATED THIS NEW ID SIX DISTRICT.
UM, WE ARE NOT PERMITTING DATA CENTERS ANYWHERE WITHIN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT.
THERE'S A 200 FOOT COSCO ROAD SETBACK WITH BUFFERS AND LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S GONNA BE VERY, UM, IT'S VERY AGGRESSIVE LANDSCAPING THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY TO OBSCURE BUILDINGS AND CREATE A MORE VISUAL, VISUALLY APPEALING STREET SCAPE.
UH, WE'RE NOT ALLOWING ANY STANDALONE WAREHOUSE WHOLESALE DISTRIBUTION.
WE'VE LOWERED THE BUILDING HEIGHTS FROM 68 TO 45 FEET MAXIMUM, AND THAT INCLUDES, UH, ROOFTOP SCREENING AND, AND MECHANICALS.
THERE'S ADDITIONAL OPERATIONAL LIMITS, UH, SUCH AS REQUIRING USES TO OCCU, UH, OCCUR FULLY WITHIN THE BUILDING.
AND THEN ADDITIONAL STANDARDS ABOUT, UM, ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS OR EMISSIONS THAT MAY, UH, NEGATIVELY IMPACT THOSE AROUND IT, AS WELL AS PROHIBITING SERVICE AREAS, LOADING DOCKS AND OVERHEAD BAY DOORS ALONG COS GRAY ROAD.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY TOUCH ON A FEW OF THESE THINGS.
UM, AGAIN, THESE WERE SHARED PRIOR.
WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON THE UPDATES TONIGHT.
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THIS WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS, A SUMMARY OF ACTIONS, UH, FROM MAY 7TH.YOU HAVE THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK ON THE LEFT AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS SHARED, UH, ON THE RIGHT.
SO JUST TO GO HOPEFULLY BRIEFLY THROUGH SOME OF THESE AND PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT FOR THE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING DEFINITION.
THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK, UH, WAS THEY REQUESTED THAT STAFF FURTHER SHARPEN LANGUAGE REGARDING THE PROPOSED ADVANCED MANUFACTURING DEFINITION TO ENSURE ALIGNMENT WITH THE DISTRICT INTENT REGARDING INPUTS AND OUTPUTS AND ENSURING CONSIDERATION FOR MITIGATING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
UH, THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT CONDITIONAL USE DESIGNATION.
UH, THERE WAS INTEREST THAT WAS EXPRESSED IN CLASSIFYING ADVANCED MANUFACTURING AS A CONDITIONAL USE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL OVERSIGHT.
THERE WERE ALSO DISSENTING VIEWS DURING THAT CONVERSATION, UH, THAT OFFERED, UH, AND STATED THAT DOING SO WOULD BE CONTRARY TO THE DISTRICT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INTENT AND WOULD CREATE A DIS, UH, DISINCENTIVE FOR INVESTMENT.
UM, FOLLOWING MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT, A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION DETERMINED THAT FURTHER REFINEMENT OF THE USE DEFINITION WOULD ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS AND THE ADDITION OF A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS WOULD NOT BE NEEDED.
UH, THE THIRD THING IS THE FLEET VEHICLE LOCATION AND SCREENING.
I THINK THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE CAN FLEET VEHICLES BE LOCATED ON THE SITE.
UM, SO WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT THROUGH THESE UPDATES.
THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT RENEWABLE ENERGY, SPECIFICALLY WIND AND, AND WHETHER THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN SMALLER SCALE.
UM, WITH THESE UPDATES, WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THAT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT WE HAD PULLED FROM THE CODE AMENDMENTS BASED ON CONCERNS RAISED FROM RESIDENTS.
SO WE'VE NOT BROUGHT THAT FORWARD, UH, LANDSCAPE CAPACITY STANDARDS.
THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW DO YOU APPLY OPACITY, UM, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO ADDRESS THAT.
UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE CONSISTENT OR COHESIVE MOUNTING AND BUFFERING ALONG COSGROVE ROAD.
UH, THERE'S EXISTING AND MATURE MOUNTING AND VEGETATION ALONG THE BALANCE RATE SIDE OF COS GRAY.
SO MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO HERE FITS IN WITH THAT.
UH, AND THEN THERE WAS DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT A SUSTAINABILITY BONUS, UH, KNOWING THE CHALLENGES OF DEVELOPMENT WITH THE 200 FOOT BUFFER, WHETHER THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WE COULD ADD, UH, TO KIND OF MITIGATE THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS AND BE A BONUS FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT, THAT ARE UP ALONG COST GRAY ROAD.
UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE DID HEAR, UM, FROM SEVERAL RESIDENTS, UH, EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIAL HEALTH AND SAFETY IMPACTS OF THE PROPOSED USES, THE NEED FOR ENFORCEABLE STANDARDS FOR NOISE EMISSIONS, BYPRODUCTS, FLEET VEHICLE COUNTS, AND TRAFFIC RECLASSIFYING, UH, BOTH ADVANCED MANUFACTURING AND R AND D AS CONDITIONAL USES.
AND THEN, UH, SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACCURACY OF TREE SIZES THAT WERE BEING PLANTED WITHIN THE SCREEN, WHETHER THOSE WERE WERE APPROPRIATE.
SO, UH, WHAT WILL BE ON YOUR SCREEN IS LANGUAGE DIRECTLY FROM THE CODE.
UM, THIS IS, I GUESS TO, TO SIMPLIFY THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WHAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW HAS BEEN ADDED SINCE THE SEVENTH.
AND WHAT IS STRUCK OUT IN RED HAS BEEN REMOVED SINCE THE SEVENTH.
AND I'LL PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ON EACH OF THESE SLIDES AND ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE.
SO FOR THE ID SIX INTENT LANGUAGE, UH, WE MODIFIED IT TO INCLUDE UTILIZING PRINCIPLES OF CLEAN PRODUCTION WHEN CONSIDERING MANUFACTURING USES PRINCIPLES OF CLEAN PRODUCTION INCLUDE MINIMIZING WASTE, HAZARDOUS INPUTS, HAZARDOUS BYPRODUCTS, AND STORMWATER DISCHARGE.
THESE CHANGES WERE ADDED TO ADDRESS CONCERNS OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS FROM POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE ID SIX.
UH, THE DISTRICT INTENT EMPHASIZES THE PROVISION OF FLEXIBLE SPACES THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE EVOLVING BUSINESSES, RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY NEEDS, UH, PROVIDED SUCH FLEXIBILITY DOES NOT COMPROMISE THE DISTRICT'S LOW INTENSITY CHARACTER, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY OR ITS COMPATIBILITY WITH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
WE LOOKED AT THE DEFINITION AND TERMINOLOGY FOR ADVANCED MANUFACTURING AS THAT WAS ALSO A QUESTION, UH, WHETHER IT SHOULD BE CALLED ADVANCED MANUFACTURING.
UH, AFTER CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION, STAFF RECOMMENDED RETAINING THE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING USE CATEGORY NAME TO AVOID UNINTENDED IMPACTS TO OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE WID IN THE CITY.
AND THIS HELPS KEEP THE CODE AMENDMENTS TARGETED TOWARDS ID SIS SIX WITHOUT UNNECESSARILY MODIFYING OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CO OF THE CODE.
UH, HOWEVER, THE DEFINITION WE DID UPDATE IT TO INCORPORATE PRINCIPLES OF CLEAN MANUFACTURING, WHICH IS EMPHASIZING A PRODUCT LIFECYCLE APPROACH THAT LIMITS TOXIC OR HAZARDOUS RAW INPUTS AND MINIMIZES THE GENERATION OF HAZARDOUS BYPRODUCTS.
THE UPDATED DEFINITION FOCUSES ON THE PRODUCTION OF FINISHED PRODUCTS RATHER THAN THE FOCUS, THE PROCESSING OF RAW MATERIALS.
REINFORCING THAT BOTH INPUTS AND OUTPUTS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE USES WILL BE MINIMAL IN NATURE.
THESE CHANGES ADDRESS CONCERNS ABOUT COMPATIBILITY WITH ADJACENT SENSITIVE USES, SUCH AS RESIDENTIAL AND LIMIT OPERATIONS THAT COULD POSE, UH, HAZARDOUS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND THEN THERE WERE ADDITIONAL MINOR IMPROVEMENTS OR MINOR EDITS, UH, TO THE DEFINITION THAT WERE MADE WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE CORE INTENT AND REQUIREMENT OF THE USE THAT WE'VE EXPRESSED IN THE PAST.
ADDITIONALLY, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE USE
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SPECIFIC STANDARDS.UM, WE ADDED NOISE INTO THE PERFORM PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE OMITTED.
SO WE DID ADD THAT BACK AND THAT WAS ALSO CARRIED OVER TO RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE THE SAME, UM, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
I THINK REALISTICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY USE WITHIN THIS DISTRICT TO HAVE THESE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY MOVE TO A BROADER ID SIX, UH, LEVEL.
AND THEN THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS RAISED FROM THE RESIDENTS IS STRUCTURES THAT, THAT MAY, UH, PRESENT TOXIC OUTPUTS OR MAY BE OF CONCERN IN TERMS OF THEIR EMISSIONS, UM, AND WHETHER THOSE WOULD BE PERMITTED OR NOT.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THE LIST AND WE IDENTIFIED SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN AND THOSE WOULD BE PROHIBITED IN THIS DISTRICT.
AND THEN ANY SIMILAR STRUCTURE THAT'S NOT LISTED HERE THAT MAY HAVE CONCERNS OF EMISSIONS, IT WOULD BE ENTIRELY UPON THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE STAFF SUFFICIENT INFORMATION THAT, UH, STATES THAT THEY DO NOT CREATE ANY MEASURABLE INCREASE OF HAZARDOUS EMISSIONS.
SO TRYING TO COVER THE BASE OF, WE REALLY DO NOT EXPECT OR DESIRE, UH, ANY SORT OF PROCESS OR MACHINERY OR ANYTHING, UH, ALONG THOSE LINES.
THAT'S GONNA BE A HAZARD TO THOSE AROUND.
WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT AND ADDRESSING THAT CONCERN.
SO PUTTING THE DEFINITION OF ADVANCED MANUFACTURING IN THE DISTRICT INTENT TOGETHER, WHICH IS HOW WE WOULD REVIEW ANYTHING, UM, WE TOOK THE BULLET POINTS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
AND THESE ARE DIRECTLY FROM BOTH DEFINITION AND INTENT.
AND FOR ANY USER THAT IS GONNA GO INTO THIS DISTRICT AND IS GONNA ALIGN WITH ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE THAT IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
UM, WE'VE TALKED THROUGH A FEW OF THEM, BUT I'LL JUST LIST SOME OF THESE OFF.
SO, PROMOTING A PRODUCT LIFECYCLE APPROACH, WHICH IS OPTIMIZING EVERY STAGE OF PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT, LIMITING TOXIC, THEY HAVE TO PROVE, PROVE THAT THEY LIMIT TOXIC OR HAZARDOUS RAW INPUTS OR HAZARDOUS BYPRODUCTS OR FINISHED GOODS.
THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVE A LEVEL OF SPECIALIZED OR COMPANY SPECIFIC SKILL TRAINING.
UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMMONLY UTILIZE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES TO IMPROVE PRODUCTS AND PROCESSES.
THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE ANY STANDALONE WAREHOUSE WHOLESALE DISTRIBUTION.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LOW IN INTENSITY IN SCALE.
UH, IT WOULD NOT RESULT IN ADVERSE IMPACTS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE THOSE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
UH, DOES NOT COMPROMISE THE DISTRICT'S LOW INTENSITY CHARACTER, ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY AND ITS COMPATIBILITY WITH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
IT'D HAVE TO OPERATE ENTIRELY WITHIN THE BUILDING.
AND THEN WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT ARE THESE, UH, USES OR STRUCTURES WITHIN THE SPACE.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT EMITTING ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE HAZARDOUS TO THOSE AROUND.
SO THIS IS A LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT THAT STAFF HAS IN OUR ARSENAL.
WHEN SOMEBODY DOES COME TO US AND ASK TO BE, UH, CONSIDERED AN ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, WE HAVE A LOT TO REALLY BASE, UM, OUR DECISIONS OFF OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'VE WRITTEN IN THE CODE, BUT ALSO WHAT CONCERNS HAVE BEEN RAISED FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING BOTH OF THOSE THINGS IN ANY DECISION THAT WE MAKE TO TAKE THAT ONE STEP FURTHER AS WELL.
AND THIS WAS INCLUDED IN THE MEMO, UM, TAKING BOTH OF THOSE DEFINITION AND INTENTS.
UM, WE IDENTIFIED SOME USES THAT COULD FIT WITHIN THIS ADVANCED MANUFACTURING CATEGORY, UM, BASED ON ALL THE STANDARDS THAT WERE SHOWN ON THIS SCREEN.
UM, AND THOSE, AGAIN, JUST A SHORT LIST.
THIS IS NOT COMPREHENSIVE OF EVERYTHING, BUT, UH, BASED ON OUR, OUR RESEARCH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE FELT, UM, WE'D BE COMFORTABLE SAYING.
THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE, WE WOULD BE, UH, ABLE TO PERMIT.
UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT, THERE'S A LOT MORE SPECIFICS WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACTUAL BUSINESSES WANTING TO BE HERE.
BUT GENERALLY WE LOOK AT PROTOTYPE DEVELOPMENT LABS, REALLY SMALL BATCH MANUFACTURING, ADDITIVE MANUFACTURING, PRECISION ELECTRONICS, UM, BIOTECH LABS WITH SMALL SCALE PRODUCTION, FLEXIBLE OFFICE USERS, COMBINING OFFICE LAB, LIGHT PRODUCTION, AND THEN ENGINEERING FIRMS WITH FABRICATION AND TESTING SPACES.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS, UM, PUTS IT INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE PERSPECTIVE AND SCALE OF, OF WHAT WE THINK THAT THESE, UM, REQUIREMENTS WOULD, WOULD REALLY BE NARROWING DOWN WHEN, WHEN WE DO GET A USER.
MOVING ON TO FLEET VEHICLES, UH, WE DID MAKE A FEW IMPROVEMENTS HERE.
UM, A LOT OF THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN FOCUSED TO CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT SERVICES TO REALLY FOCUS THE EFFORTS ON ID SIX AND NOT HAVE IMPACTS ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.
UM, FLEET VEHICLES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FIT WITHIN A STANDARD OFF STREET PARKING SPACE, WHICH IS ABOUT NINE FEET BY 19 FEET.
UM, AND THEN A FLEET VEHICLE IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE A SEMI-TRACTOR, A SEMI TRAILER, OR ANY NON RECREATIONAL TRAILER OR HEAVY CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT.
SO REALLY TRYING TO LIMIT THIS TO, IT'S GONNA BE PASSENGER VEHICLES, SPRINTER VANS, UM, THOSE THAT YOU WOULD REALLY SEE AT MORE OF A, UM, I'LL SAY A PRIVATE SCALE AND NOT A HUGE COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL SCALE.
UM, AND THEN WITHIN THE CODE ALREADY THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE MAINTAINED WITHIN AN APPROPRIATE SCREENED AREA AND SHALL NOT BE FORWARD
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OF THE BUILDING.I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED, WHETHER THEY COULD BE FORWARD AND THEY CANNOT.
AND THAT IS FOR THE ENTIRE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, NOT THE, JUST THE ID SIX WAREHOUSE WHOLESALE DISTRIBUTION.
UH, WE MADE SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS HERE TO REMOVE CONFLICTING OR REPETITIVE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
WHAT WAS REMOVED DOES NOT CHANGE THE INTENT THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO HAMMER HOME WITH THIS, UH, IN LIMITING THE WAREHOUSE WHOLESALE DISTRIBUTION WITHIN BUILDINGS TO PRODUCE IN, UH, TO, TO PRODUCTS AND GOODS INTENDED FOR THE USE OF THE BUSINESS.
SO, UH, ONE TO MAKE SURE WE COULD CLEAN THIS UP.
SO THERE WASN'T ANY CONFUSION IN THE FUTURE.
BUILDING HEIGHTS, WE MADE A MINOR ADDITION FOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
THIS WAS INTENDED FROM THE BEGINNING THAT, UH, YOU COULDN'T DO EQUIPMENT OVER 45 FEET.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THIS WAS INCLUDED.
THE COSWAY ROAD SETBACK, WANNA MAKE SURE THIS WAS FROM THE FUTURE RIGHT AWAY, NOT JUST THE CURRENT, UH, BECAUSE COSWAY IS EXPECTED TO EXPAND IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, THIS LAST BULLET POINT FOR DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES, UM, IF THE PROPERTIES ARE GONNA BE SPLIT UP IN THE FUTURE, ANY PROPERTY THAT IS ALONG COSCO ROAD WOULD, UH, POTENTIALLY QUALIFY FOR A 5% LOT COVERAGE INCREASE WITH THIS LANDSCAPE OPACITY STANDARDS.
SO THIS IS APPLICABLE FOR AREAS WHERE DEVELOPMENT, THE SIDE OR REAR YARD IS BACKING UP TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
THE DESIGN MANUAL HANDLES ALL FRONT SETBACKS, UM, AND EVERYTHING ALONG THE STREET.
SO THIS IS TO KIND OF FILL THE GAPS OF, UM, WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A STREET FRONTAGE BUT WANNA PROTECT FROM SENSITIVE, UH, USES OR SENSITIVE PROPERTIES.
SO WE'VE UPDATED THIS TO SPEAK TOWARDS MORE ACHIEVING 90% OPACITY, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE STANDARDS THAT WE CAN APPLY IN OUR LANDSCAPE PLANS, UM, WHERE WE HAVE A STAGGERED PATTERN, UH, OF WHERE THESE, THESE TREES WOULD BE PLANTED.
AND THEN A MINIMUM OF 30 TREES PER 100 FEET, WHICH IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN BE PLANTED IN THESE AREAS.
SO THIS IS WITH THE GOAL OF ACHIEVING 90% OPACITY, BUT GIVES US SOMETHING MORE SOLID TO PULL BACK TO.
AND THIS WAS, THIS IS THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN MANUAL AS WELL.
SO IT'S THE SAME STANDARD THAT WE WOULD APPLY TO THE STREETS.
UH, AND THEN THE FINAL THING IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATIONS.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS EARLIER, BUT ALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATIONS WITHIN THE ID SIX WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO DEMONSTRATE, UH, THAT THE PROPOSED USE MEETS THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT.
SO NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE DEFINITION, BUT LOOKING AT THE DISTRICT AND TYING THEM TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY WORK TOGETHER.
NEXT, UM, I'VE GOT THREE MORE SLIDES THAT TALK ABOUT THE SETBACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL.
SOME MINOR CHANGES THAT WERE MADE BASED ON THE, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY.
SO ONE OF THE AXON SECTIONS WAS REPLACED FOR A NEW SECONDARY 2D SECTION, WHICH YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP, WHICH ILLUSTRATES WHERE PAVEMENT IS ADJACENT TO THE BACK OF THE SETBACK AS WELL AS THE 45 FOOT BUILDING.
UM, I BELIEVE SOME OF THE CONVERSATION BEFORE WAS YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S GONNA BACK UP TO THIS 200 FEET.
IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, WHETHER IT'S A DRIVE AISLE OR PARKING OR BOTH, THAT IS GONNA PUSH THAT BUILDING BACK EVEN FURTHER.
SO THAT WAS INTENDED TO UPDATE AND SHOW, UH, THAT CASE.
THERE WAS TALK ABOUT SHARED USE PATHS AND WHERE THEY COULD BE, WHETHER THEY COULD WIND THROUGH THE, THE BUFFER AREA.
SO WE'VE UPDATED THE UTILITY EASEMENT, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, AND THAT'S SPACE WHERE WE THINK THAT THE SHARED USE PATH COULD ALSO GO, UM, THAT SPACE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEDICATE ANYWAYS BECAUSE OF PUBLIC UTILITIES THAT ARE GONNA BE ALONG THE STREET.
SO MIGHT AS WELL ADD A PATH THROUGH THAT SPACE WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND THAT WOULD ALL BE DESIGNED AS WE'RE DOING COS GRAY ROADS, UM, WIDENING.
AND FINALLY THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TREE PLANTING RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE SIZE OF THESE TREES.
SO WE MADE SOME UPDATES TO THE INSTALLATION SIZE OF THE SECTION.
UM, IT TALKS A LITTLE BIT AND SEPARATES THE SIZE OF DECIDUOUS TREES AND EVERGREEN TREES.
UM, DECIDUOUS TREES ARE EXPECTED TO BE AT A CALIPER INCH, SO DIAMETER OF TWO TO THREE INCHES.
AND THEN EVERGREEN TREES SHOULD BE PLANTED AT A 12 TO 14 FOOT HEIGHT, UM, CALIPER, OR SORRY, DECIDUOUS TREES USUALLY ARE MEASURED BASED ON THEIR, THEIR CALIPER SIZE, WHEREAS EVERGREENS ARE MA MEASURED BASED ON THEIR HEIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT HERE.
I DID WANT TO SAY THAT, UH, TYPICALLY TWO TO THREE INCH DECIDUOUS TREES AT START ARE ABOUT 10 TO 12 FEET IN HEIGHT.
UM, AND MOST OF THE SPECIES THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE SPECIES SELECTION SECTION OF THE MANUAL ARE RELATIVELY FAST GROWING, UH, AVERAGING ABOUT TWO TO THREE INCHES IN HEIGHT PER YEAR.
SO WITH THAT, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROPOSED WD CODE AMENDMENTS AND SETBACK SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL.
UM, AGAIN, AS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING, PCC PROVIDES A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON
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THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENTS IN DESIGN MANUAL.A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL WILL STILL PROCEED TO CITY COUNCIL 'CAUSE THAT IS THEIR DETERMINATION IN THE END.
PCC CAN RECOMMEND ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS TO THE CODE, AMENDMENTS OR DESIGN MANUAL FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE TWO MORE READINGS REQUIRED FOR CITY COUNCIL, WHICH ARE 10 WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 8TH AND JULY 1ST.
WITH THAT, I'LL STOP AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
SHALL WE START TO THE RIGHT OF ME, MS. DAMER? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF MANUFACTURING.
UM, THE FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD, EVERYBODY'S HARD WORK ON THIS, UM, INCLUDING THE, UM, RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN THIS.
IF I, WE COULD LOOK AT 0.002 A1C, THE DEFINITION OF ADVANCED MANUFACTURING.
UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE WORD LIMITS TOXIC OR HAZARDOUS RAW INPUTS.
I ASSUME THAT DOESN'T MEAN A HUNDRED PERCENT LIMITED OR PRO, IN OTHER WORDS, PROHIBITED.
AND HOW IS THAT GONNA BE MEASURED? SO I'LL ASK GREG AND KEEGAN MAYBE TO COME UP AND WE CAN TACKLE THIS, BUT, UM, THIS IS NOT TO 100% PROHIBIT THESE MATERIALS.
UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, I THINK THE GOAL HAS BEEN WITH THE INTENT AND THE DEFINITION TO PROVIDE A LOT OF BARRIERS TO, UM, FOR PEOPLE TO ESSENTIALLY JUMP OVER, UH, DOING A FULL PROHIBIT UH, PROHIBITING THESE MATERIALS.
THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE REALLY IMPACTFUL TO A LOT OF USES.
OUR GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE, UM, BUSINESSES THAT ARE GONNA BE REALLY NEGATIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANYONE AROUND, REGARDLESS WHERE THIS DISTRICT IS AT.
UM, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY, UM, WITH THIS.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE BUSINESSES DO CHANGE AND EVOLVE OVER TIME.
UM, SO THAT'S, WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO ATTACK THIS FROM AN INTENT PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THAT GIVES US A LOT OF, AT LEAST STAFF, A LOT OF TEETH TO, UM, HOLD PEOPLE TO.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN OUR INTENT WITH THIS.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE NOW, WHICH OUR STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH WHEN WE APPLY THIS IN THE FUTURE.
I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT MEASUREMENT.
YOU'RE GIVING ME A LOT OF STAFF DISCRETION KIND OF LANGUAGE AND BROAD DISCRETION IN THE STAFF.
IS THERE SOME BOUNDARIES TO THIS DISCRETION AT ALL? TO THE COMMISSION? AND FOR THE RECORD, I'M GREG DALE WITH MCBRIDE DALE CLARION.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF TO HELP WITH THE DRAFTING ON THIS.
SO THE, I I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
UM, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THERE'S BROAD DISCRETION.
THERE IS DISCRETION IN ANY DETERMINATION BY STAFF.
AND I THINK PART OF THE POINT HERE, IN PARTICULAR, THAT SLIDE THAT ZACH SHOWED, THAT SHOWED THE WHOLE LIST OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT STAFF WOULD, WOULD, WOULD BE ADDRESSING.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE TERM LIMIT, IT'S ALSO WHERE IT REFERS TO, UH, MINIMIZING, UH, ANY ENVIRONMENTAL EMISSIONS OR HAZARDOUS BYPRODUCTS ALL TAKEN TOGETHER.
THE, THE CONCERN IS THAT, THAT, WELL, LEMME A COUPLE OF POINTS I WANNA MAKE.
ONE IS THAT, KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS AN INNOVATION DISTRICT, RIGHT? THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT IN THE TITLE.
IT'S REFERRED TO AS A CUTTING EDGE DISTRICT.
I THINK THE CITY CAN EXPECT, AND I THINK ULTIMATELY ACCORDING TO YOUR POLICY, YOU WOULD HOPE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING IN, IN THE FUTURE BRINGING IN NEW, INNOVATIVE, CUTTING EDGE BUSINESSES AND TECHNOLOGY.
THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS, IS TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE THAT'S ENCOURAGING.
WHAT THAT ALSO MEANS, THOUGH, THAT YOU CAN'T PREDICT WHAT THOSE ARE GONNA BE IN THE FUTURE.
WE ALL KNOW HOW FAST THE ECONOMY'S MOVING AND, AND PROCESSES ARE CHANGING.
THE KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THIS IN A COUPLE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS MAY BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.
SO THE IDEA OF HAVING SPECIFIC MEASURABLE STANDARDS THAT COULD BE APPLIED TO A WIDE RANGE OF EVOLVING USES, I THINK POTENTIALLY RUNS CONTRARY TO THE IDEA OF, OF, OF NOT JUST ALLOWING BUT ENCOURAGING THESE INNOVATIVE USES.
SO I, I THINK THE POINT IS THAT THIS PROCESS THAT'S SET UP, THAT'S GIVING STAFF THE ABILITY TO REQUIRE THE SUBMISSION OF INFORMATION AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS THAT SATISFIES
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THE INTENT OF THIS TAKEN AS A WHOLE.UM, AGAIN, THERE IS DISCRETION INVOLVED, BUT I WOULDN'T CHARACTERIZE IT AS AS BROAD DISCRETION FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
IN FACT, I THINK COMPARED TO OTHER SIMILAR ZONING DISTRICTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, THIS ONE'S MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE AND MUCH MORE TIGHTER THAN I THINK YOU WOULDN'T NORMALLY SEE.
UM, AND, AND THAT ANSWERS THE NEXT QUESTION OF HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO OTHER ZONING CODES ELSEWHERE? YEAH.
WHEN THIS SORT OF STANDARD IS TRYING TO BE LOOKED AT.
YEAH, AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
JUST LIKE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ECONOMY LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT THESE PROCESSES CHANGE.
WE ALL KNOW THE CHA TECHNOLOGY IS NOT JUST EVOLVING, BUT IS EVOLVING AT AN ACCELERATING RATE.
SO I THINK AGAIN, THE IDEA OF GIVING STAFF THE AUTHORITY, AND I WOULD USE THAT TERM AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT ALL OF THESE DEFINITION, PURPOSE STATEMENT, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, ALL OF THESE TAKEN COLLECTIVELY ARE MET, IS PART OF DEALING WITH THIS NEW EVOLVING ECONOMY.
UM, AND SO I, AGAIN, I THINK THAT COMPARATIVELY WE'VE, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, AS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'VE LOOKED AT DEFINITIONS ALL OVER THE PLACE, RIGHT? I MEAN, AND, AND I TRULY THINK THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS A HIGH LEVEL OF PROTECTION FOR THESE KINDS OF USES.
HOW ONCE A PARTICULAR BILL BUSINESS IS APPROVED AND BUILT AND IS RUNNING, IF IT CHANGES AND STARTS INCORPORATING MORE HAZARDOUS INPUT OR OUTPUT, SINCE YOU'RE LIMITING BOTH, WILL THE CITY HAVE THE POWER TO, TO, UM, DISCIPLINE THIS OR TO CUT IT BACK? JENNY, WERE YOU GONNA RESPOND TO THAT? SO WHEN A USE, AS GREG WAS SHARING IN THE CODE REQUIRES FOR A USER TO SHARE WITH US, HERE'S WHAT OUR OPERATIONS ARE, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA, HOW WE'RE GONNA OPERATE, WHAT'S GONNA BE INCLUDED.
IF IT SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED THAT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT OUR INITIAL UNDERSTANDING WAS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THAT AND GO BACK TO THAT.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS REQUIRED, RIGHT? IN THE, UM, AT THE, AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION.
AND IT WOULD BE THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, AND OF COURSE I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DECO.
COULD YOU PUT UP OH THREE EIGHT C 14? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THIS NOTE MEANS.
I'M SORRY, I CAN'T, OH, IT'S, UH, PAGE 12 OF YOUR THING.
I JUST HAVE A NOTE HERE AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I MEANT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, FIRST OF ALL WITH A RT, UH, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, HOW COME THE CITY ATTORNEY ISN'T LISTED AS A MEMBER? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ALL WOULD CONSIDER
UH, MEETING, I DON BELIEVE MEETING BELIEVE ANYBODY FROM THE MEETINGS.
I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A HELP.
AND I'M SURE THEY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLES THAT ARE, IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE A CONSIDERATION? WELL, I, I WOULD NEVER SAY NEVER, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IN THE TIME THAT THE WID HAS EXISTED, UM, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE A RT THAT IS LOOKING MORE AT THE PLANNING ASPECTS AND SITE ASPECTS, TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THE APPLICATIONS, UM, I'M AVAILABLE IF THEY HAVE SPECIFIC LEGAL QUESTIONS MM-HMM
BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT I OR MY COLLEAGUES NECESSARILY WOULD HAVE A LOT TO ADD AS MEMBERS OF THAT REVIEWING BODY AS OPPOSED TO A LEGAL RESOURCE THAT THEY CAN CALL UPON.
BUT YOU WOULD BE ON CALL IF NEEDED, IF THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING AS WELL TOO.
THEY KNOW HOW TO GET AHOLD OF ME.
I JUST, OUT OF THE LIST, IT SEEMED LIKE,
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AH, USUALLY YOU'RE IN THE ROOM.UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, CAN WE ALSO LOOK AT THIS AS LIKE A FLUID DOCUMENT WHERE, UM, THE, THE CHANGES CAN BE MADE THROUGHOUT AND THAT WE SHOULD FEEL THAT THIS BODY WOULD BE A PART OF THAT? YEAH, I, I MEAN THE CODE ONCE APPROVED IS A BINDING LEGAL DOCUMENT MM-HMM
UM, THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT IF SOMETHING IS NOT WORKING THE WAY THAT WE WANT IT TO, THAT WE CAN'T COME BACK AND REEVALUATE KIND OF THE STANDARDS OR REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE SET FORTH.
SO WE'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CODE.
UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE DEFINITELY WANNA GET THIS MM-HMM
AS RIGHT AS POSSIBLE NOW SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE.
BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, I WOULD THINK OF THE, UM, SOLAR PANEL MM-HMM
UM, REGULATIONS THAT WERE ADOPTED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, MAYBE LONGER AGO THAN THAT NOW, THAT AFTER A FEW MONTHS OF PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE STAFF BROUGHT BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND BACK THROUGH COUNCIL TO MAKE THEM MORE WORKABLE.
AND THIS WOULD OPERATE THE SAME WAY.
AND THEN, UM, IT SAYS PERIODICALLY IN THE A RT, UM, THAT YOU WOULD COME BACK TO, UM, P AND Z JUST TO GIVE AN UPDATE.
COULD THAT BE CHANGED TO EVERY SIX MONTHS SINCE WE'RE THIS IS NEW.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NEW AND PERIODICALLY MEANS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A SET TIME, UM, ON THE CALENDAR.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL.
I BELIEVE THAT'S FOR UPDATES ON CASES THAT HAVE BEEN HEARD AND DETERMINED ON BY THE PLAN COMMISSION, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS.
UM, SO I, I THINK JENNY'S LOOKING FOR WHAT THAT REQUIREMENT IS, BUT I MEAN THE, THOSE MATERIALS WE, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A SET DATE AS YOU NOTED FOR THAT.
I MEAN, IT DOES SAY PERIODICALLY.
I MEAN, ALL THOSE INFORMATION, ALL THE, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESSES AVAILABLE AND SHARED.
SO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN I I, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DESIRED FOR THAT TO BE BROUGHT BACK ON A MORE FORMAL BASIS, WE CAN DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN THAT.
I THINK IT GETS SO BUSY HERE THAT, UM, HAVING SET DATES JUST ONLY IT PUTS SOMETHING ON THE CALENDAR MM-HMM.
AS A REMINDER THAT, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS.
I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE CODE PIECE OF THAT, BUT INTERNALLY WE CAN LOOK AT HOW, HOW WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS ON A MORE REGULAR CADENCE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA YEAH.
CERTAINLY THERE IS NOTHING THAT KEEPS PLANNING COMMISSION FROM AT ANY TIME, ASKING STAFF TO COME GIVE US A REPORT ON HOW THIS WI THING IS GOING.
I MEAN, THAT CAN HAPPEN ANYTIME.
YOU COULD ALSO BUILD IT INTO YOUR CALENDAR AND SAY ONCE EVERY SIX MONTHS, WE WANT CAL STAFF TO DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO PUT IN THE ZONING REGULATIONS.
THAT'S MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE KIND OF THING.
BUT, SO WHAT DOES PERIODICALLY MEAN TO YOU? I MEAN, IS THAT JUST, IS THAT A GOOD, UM, UH, IT'S HOLDING IT SO THAT, THAT WE DO HEAR INFORMATION THAT, IS THAT WHAT THAT WORD MEANS TO YOU? PERIODICALLY? MEANS LIKE EVERYBODY COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF THAT.
I'M, YOU'RE ASKING ME FOR MINE? NO, WELL JUST THE WORD PERIODICALLY.
I, I'M ASKING IF THAT IS A WORD THAT HELPS TO BRING THAT TOGETHER.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY PERIODICALLY MEANS ON A PERIOD, BUT IT'S NOT DEFINED WHAT THE PERIOD IS.
SO IT COULD BE WEEKLY, IT COULD BE MONTHLY, IT COULD BE, BUT IT HAS TO BE REGULAR.
SO YOU MAY WANNA CHANGE IT FROM TIME TO TIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I, I IS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN.
I I I, AND MAYBE WE'RE GETTING WAY TOO MUCH IN WEEDS, THE THE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WANT IT ON A PERIOD.
UM, I GUESS I'M STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, HERE'S SOMEPLACE THE, THE ROOFTOPS WE DO HAVE SCREENING.
UM, I'VE SEEN THAT I, I GUESS I WANT ATTENTION TO THE ROOF, MEANING THE, THE COLOR THAT IS CHOSEN FOR THE BOTTOM, UM, SO THAT IT'S NOT LIKE A STARK WHITE OR SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE SUN MAY REFLECT OR SOMETHING THAT, UH, SOMEONE MAY SEE FROM ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, FROM HOME OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT.
THAT WE THINK ABOUT THAT BEING IN THE COLOR CHOICES THAT IT, UM, IS COHESIVE WITH, UH, THE, THE COLORS OF THE, OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
UM, IS THAT A THOUGHT WITH THAT? ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THE COLOR OF, OF THE ROOF? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YEAH.
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WE HAVE STANDARDS ABOUT BASE COLORS THAT WOULD APPLY AT ALL PORTIONS AND INCLUDES NEUTRAL OFF, WIDER EARTH TONE.UM, SO WE, WE HAVE COLORS COVERED CURRENTLY.
UM, I LOOK AT, AT SOME PROJECTS AND BOY, THE, IF IT'S A WHITE ROOF, IT JUST, UM, COMES OUT IT.
AND SO IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK THAT THROUGH SO THAT, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A SECOND THOUGHT.
LIKE, OH, WE, WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT.
UM, EVEN, EVEN THE WHITE OR AN OFF-WHITE STILL MIGHT NOT DO THAT, BUT, BUT I'M HEARING WHAT YOU SAY.
YOU DO HAVE SOME COLORS AND THAT, UM, THAT IN THE SCOPE OF THINGS.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TIE EVERYBODY TO SOMETHING, TO ONE, ONE NATURE OF IT.
BUT, BUT THAT IT'S COHESIVENESS TO THE ARCHITECTURE OF, OF THE BUILDING.
YOU THINK ABOUT THE TOP AS WELL AS THE BOTTOM.
FOLLOW ONTO THAT, JUST THAT OUR HEIGHT LIMIT IS 45 FEET.
SO WHERE WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SEE THE ROOFS FROM AROUND SECOND FLOOR HOUSE? I DON'T LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
I MEAN, MOST, MOST OF THE FLAT ROOFS ARE GOING TO HAVE PARAPET WALLS AROUND THEM.
UM, IT'S VERY RARE THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE AN EXPOSED ROOFTOP.
UM, THAT'S WITH IT BEING, IF IT IS TO EXCEED OR NOT EXCEED, BUT MEET THE 45, THERE WOULD NOT BE A BUILDING IN THE VICINITY THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE OVER TOP OF THAT.
UM, EXCEPT FOR ANY EXISTING BUILDING NORTH OF THE SITE THAT EXCEEDS THAT.
BUT DO WE HAVE ANY TALLER BUILDINGS EITHER EXISTING OR PLANNED IN THE DIS IN THE WOOD THAT WOULD HAVE BE ABLE TO SEE? THANK YOU.
UM, BUT NOTHING CLOSE TO THIS.
UM, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING LAST TIME IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE CITY OWNS A BIT OF THAT LANDSCAPING, TWO SITES OF IT.
SO IF THE LANDSCAPING IS BEING, UM, DONE, YOU KNOW, UH, STARTED OFF BY THIS AREA, WOULD THE CITY THEN START TO DO THEIRS OR WOULD THEY WAIT UNTIL, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ELSE PURCHASED THAT OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT? ANY THOUGHTS TO KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING? THE COHESIVENESS THAT YOU'VE BEEN, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME? YEAH, I MEAN, THAT HAS BEEN A VERY CRITICAL PIECE OF OUR CONVERSATION IS HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT I, I THINK WE PLAN THIS DOCUMENT AS, SAY, WORST CASE SCENARIO IS THAT EVERY INDIVIDUAL PIECE COMES IN AT A SEPARATE TIME AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT MOUNDING THAT HAS BEEN CREATED AT SEPARATE TIMES.
HOW DO YOU CONNECT ALL THAT TOGETHER? UM, WE'VE, THAT'S SOMETHING, A CONVERSATION THAT WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN, UM, OUTSIDE OF THIS DOCUMENT OF HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A COHESIVE, CONSISTENT, UM, BUFFER SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THESE GAPS.
UM, BUT IF WE DO HAVE GAPS, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS IN THIS DESIGN MANUAL BY WHEN YOU APPROACH A A PROPERTY LINE, HERE'S HOW YOU'RE ROUNDING OFF OR HOW, HERE'S HOW YOU'RE USING EXISTING VEGETATION.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE, THE, THE PARCELS HAVE MATURE TREE ROWS ALONG THEIR, THEIR PARCEL LINE.
SO, UM, HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE PRESERVED TO THE BEST POSSIBLE EXTENT? AND HOW DOES THAT GET TIED INTO THE DESIGN OF THE MOUND AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING THAT YOU'RE ADDING IN? SO WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THINKING THROUGH, IF THIS DOES GET DEVELOPMENT PIECEMEALS OVER TIME, HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT IT LOOKS CONSISTENT AND THEN COHESIVE WITH WHAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD? SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS.
WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS AT WORST CASE SCENARIO, BUT LOOKING AT BROADER, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE ALL AT ONCE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR CLARITY.
JUST, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UH, GREG, YOU, UM, ONE OF THE REVISIONS IS YOU ADDED A CLAUSE UNDER USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS UNDER C AND IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, POTENTIAL USES THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY LISTED IN A VERY MINOR CATEGORY, BUT IT SAYS VIA A CURRENTLY ACCEPTABLE METHOD OF TESTING, WHICH IS WHAT THE BUILDING CODE DOES.
I MEAN, THE BUILDING CODE'S BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS, RELYING ON TESTING AGENCIES FOR THINGS THAT PEOPLE AREN'T SURE ABOUT.
WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT, I, I'M AFRAID I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I'LL ASK YOU, WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO USING THAT CLAUSE
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IN OTHER LOCATIONS TO PROVIDE SOME, UM, ASSURANCE THAT PROCESSES OR METHODS, UM, ARE BEING EVALUATED OR AT LEAST THAT'S USED AS A METHOD OF EVALUATION TO PROVIDE SOME SENSE OF SAFETY OR SECURITY REGARDING WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED? ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? SO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING.WHY IS THAT LANGUAGE USED THERE AND NOT ELSEWHERE? SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE INTENT STATEMENTS E EXACTLY, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ABOUT SAFETY AND HOW DO WE KNOW HOW HOW'S OVERSIGHT GOING TO OCCUR AND HOW DO WE KNOW THESE POTENTIAL USES ARE GOING TO BE SAFE? NO, I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
UM, I, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE ANY REASON WHY THAT COULDN'T BE LANGUAGE THAT'S USED IN THE INTENT STATEMENT, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A, A GOOD PICKUP.
UM, I REALIZE, LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE PROPOSED IN THE FUTURE.
BUT IF AT LEAST IT WAS LISTED AS A POTENTIAL STANDARD FOR EVALUATION, I THINK IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO PROVIDE SOME, SOME RELIEF.
UM, THIS IS MINOR AND, AND MAYBE I'M INCORRECT.
WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE GRID AND THE REVISIONS FOR THE GRID REGARDING DATA CENTERS, WILL DATA CENTERS NOT BE PERMITTED IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT OR JUST THE ID SIX.
SO IN ANY OF THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICTS, THEY WILL NOT BE PERMITTED.
OTHER LOCATIONS THEY CAN MAKE.
AND THEN THE QUESTION I HAVE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE LANDSCAPE CONSULTANT IS HERE OR MAYBE, MAYBE ZACH, YOU WERE INVOLVED.
HOW DID YOU ESTABLISH THE SIZE OF THESE TREES? I'M GONNA CALL TYLER, UH, CLARK UP HERE.
HE IS MUCH MORE SUITED TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
UH, TYLER CLARK WITH MKSK, UH, LANDSCAPE CONSULTANT ON THE SETBACK STUDY.
UM, SO, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO ESSENTIALLY, UM, SET THESE AT THE MOST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LARGEST, UH, MOST MATURE, UH, SIZE AND HEIGHT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE BETTERMENT IN THE HEALTH OF THE TREE LONG TERM AND THE TREES.
BUT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE IN TERMS OF AFFORDABILITY GIVEN THE AMOUNT THAT ARE REQUIRED, UM, WHERE THEY'RE REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO PURCHASE.
UM, ALL OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
BUT, UM, AS ZACH SAID EARLIER, WE SPECIFICALLY CHOSE SPECIES, UM, THAT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED AT THAT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 14 FOOT HEIGHT AND WOULD GROW QUICKLY, UM, OVER TIME.
SO THEY'D BE FULLY MATURE WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO YOU, YOU'RE CONFIDENT THESE SIZES ARE REALISTIC FOR AN INITIAL PLANTING? YES, THIS IS, IT IS, UM, FAIRLY STANDARD SIZE THAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD USE.
I'VE NEVER HAD 'EM THIS SIZE IN MY YARD.
I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.
I, UH, HAVE NOT BEEN AT THE MAY 7TH MEETING.
UH, I THINK THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS EXCELLENT.
I THINK THAT STAFF MADE A GREAT EFFORT TO ADDRESS, UH, A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE PUBLIC BROUGHT UP.
UM, I GUESS MY MAIN QUESTION WOULD KIND OF BE A FOLLOW UP TO, TO HILLARY'S FIRST QUESTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA LIMIT TOXIC AND HAZARDOUS AND WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A FIRM DEFINITION ON THAT BECAUSE WE MAY WANT TO ENTICE A BUSINESS THAT WOULD DOWN THE ROAD, EXCEED THOSE LIMITS.
I THINK IS, IS HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT MAKES ME THINK MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I READ THE DISCUSSION AROUND CONDITIONAL VERSUS PERMITTED USE.
IS THERE A WAY TO SEPARATE A LEVEL OF TOXICITY OR HAZARDOUS MATERIAL OVER A LEVEL THAT WOULD BE PUSHED BACK INTO A CONDITIONAL USE WHERE WE'D BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT INDIVIDUALLY? UM, COULD YOU ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN? I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NOT WANTING TO PUT A FIRM LIMIT, RIGHT, BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL USES DOWN THE ROAD IN FIVE OR 10 YEARS, YOU PUT IT, CAN WE PUT THE FIRM LIMIT AND THEN SAY IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE BEYOND THAT, THAT WOULD'VE TO BE SEEN BY PEASY BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IN MY MIND IS, IS SETTING SOME SORT OF QUANTIFIABLE LIMIT FOR THAT.
BECAUSE THE AMOUNT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT CRITERIA WOULD BE BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF MATERIALS OUT THERE THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED HAZARDOUS, MIGHT BE CONSIDERED HAZARDOUS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, LIKE GASOLINE IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT IS GONNA BE CONSIDERED A HAZARDOUS MATERIAL BECAUSE OF FLAMMABILITY, SOMETHING ELSE MIGHT BE BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER FACTOR.
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SO I THINK THAT THAT GOES TO THE WHOLE CHALLENGE OF TRYING TO IDENTIFY SOME THRESHOLD AND, AND STILL ALLOW THE FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO ENCOURAGE INNOVATIVE USES.I THINK FOR ME, THE, THE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT IS IF STAFF CONCLUDES THAT THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT STANDARD IS MET AND THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH DETERMINING THAT THAT STANDARD IS MET, THEY WOULD DENY IT AND THEN THE APPLICANT COULD APPEAL IT AND IT TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND MAKE THEIR CASE AT THAT POINT WITH PUBLIC INPUT.
UH, BUT TO, TO USE SOME LEVEL AS A TRIGGER THAT PUTS IT INTO CONDITIONAL USES, I THINK IS, IS GONNA BE SOUNDS GOOD IN THEORY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY PROBLEMATIC IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY EXECUTING THAT IN A DEFENSIBLE, QUANTIFIABLE WAY.
AND SO WOULD THAT POTENTIALLY, I, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS VERY MULTI-TALENTED.
UM, DOES THAT FALL ON THE CITY ENGINEER THEN TO SAY, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LEVELS OF HAZARDOUS MATERIAL AND OUTPUT? YES.
OR STAFF ALSO HAS THE ABILITY TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL EXPERTISE.
AND AGAIN, LET'S IMAGINE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN DREAMT OF AS A POTENTIAL USE AND THEY COME IN AND THEY APPLY AND STAFF IS THINKING, BOY, THIS IS USING A PROCESS OR, OR MATERIALS OR SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN DREAM OF, UM, THAT STAFF CAN BRING IN THAT OUTSIDE EXPERTISE TO HELP NAVIGATE THROUGH THAT, THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
TO ADD TO THAT, I, WE WOULD PROBABLY LEAN ON OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
UM, THEY, THEY DO HAVE BUILDING REGULATIONS FOR SPECIFIC MATERIALS AND WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE CERTAIN QUANTITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TIED TO OUR BUILDING.
UM, AND WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT.
SO WE HAVE A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM NOW AND WE WOULD MAKE THAT CLEAR IN THE FUTURE.
AND IN ALL YOUR RESEARCH FOR THE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT ARE SIMILAR, HAVE YOU SEEN ANY STANDARDS RELATED THAT HAS ATTEMPTED TO SET OR HAVE YOU SEEN IT NOT WORK? HAVE YOU SEEN, SAY THAT AGAIN? HAVE YOU SEEN ANY OTHER SIMILAR DISTRICTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN YOUR RESEARCH OF THEM THAT HAVE ATTEMPTED TO IMPLEMENT THESE TESTED LIMITS? TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'VE DONE IT, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ANSWER THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I DIDN'T LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF THOSE MYSELF.
WE, WE LOOKED AT IT AS A TEAM, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY ATTEMPT IT, UM, IT IS I THINK IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE ENGAGING IN MORE SPECIFIC ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.
SO, UM, I MEAN POTENTIALLY IS THAT, DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES? ARE YOU SAYING THIS WOULD BE A SIMILAR SITUATION TO US USING OUTSIDE RESOURCES TO USING OTHER DEPARTMENTS, ENGINEERING OR BUILDINGS? YEAH, OR, OR BRINGING IN HIRING OUTSIDE, UH, EXPERTS TO HELP WITH THAT PROCESS.
THAT'S ALL PART OF THE ABILITY OF STAFF TO CONDUCT THAT REVIEW.
UM, AND THEN JUST CURIOSITY, BECAUSE GARY BROUGHT IT UP.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY SEE A FEASIBLE USE OF A DATA CENTER AND WHERE IT'D BE PERMITTED? THERE'S ONLY ONE ZONING DISTRICT WHICH DOES PERMIT IT, AND THAT IS TECH FLEX.
UM, A LOT OF THOSE SITES ARE REALLY SMALL AND A LOT OF THEM ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY, UH, ZONING DISTRICT WHERE IT IS CONSIDERED PERMITTED.
UH, SO THIS RELATES BACK TO, UM, THE DEFINITION THAT WE HAVE FOR ADVANCED ENGINEERING.
AND, UM, SAME THING WITH IN, UH, SECTION 1 53 0 3 7 WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE INTENT.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE PERMITTED USES OR EXAMPLES THAT YOU GIVE IS, UM, HAVING BIOTECHNOLOGY OR BIOTECHNOLOGY LABS.
AND WE TALK ABOUT HAZARDOUS WASTE, BUT WE NEVER ONCE ANYWHERE MAKE ANY REFERENCE TO BIOHAZARDS AND THEY'RE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO BASICALLY WHEN I WAS THAT IT, IT'S GONNA ALLOW YOU TO HAVE A BIOHAZARD BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROHIBITING IT ANYWHERE.
AND I WAS WONDERING HAD THAT BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT OR IS THERE A REASON THAT IT'S NOT MENTIONED? SO I THINK WE TRY TO COVER THAT THROUGH THE BYPRODUCTS, UM, THE HAZARDOUS BYPRODUCTS AND REALLY TRYING TO LIMIT THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S, BUT A HAZARDOUS BYPRODUCT IS ONE THING, AND A BIOHAZARD IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DEFINITION.
SO IN A BIOTECHNOLOGY FACILITY, THEY CAN BE DOING DISEASE RESEARCH, IT CAN BE DEVELOPING, UM, THERAPIES FOR CANCER TREATMENT, IT CAN BE DEVELOPING MAX VACCINES SO THEY CAN HAVE EXPOSURE TO INFECTIOUS DISEASE.
SO THERE'S JUST NO MENTION AT ALL
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TO HAVING ANY BIOHAZARD.YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER AND INCLUDE MOVING FORWARD, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY BIGGEST QUESTION I HAD IN RELATION TO, UM, YOUR COMMENT ON THE BUILDING CODE.
THE BUILDING CODE VERY DISTINCTLY HAS LIMITATIONS IN IT OF WHAT THEY CONSIDER HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
UM, GENERALLY IT'S WHEN THEY, YOU CAN HAVE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND ALMOST ANY BUILDING, BUT THEY'RE IN VERY SMALL LIMITED QUANTITIES AND IT'S ONCE THEY REACH A CERTAIN THRESHOLD.
SO IF YOU HAD A PROJECT THAT WAS COMING IN THAT REACHED THAT THRESHOLD, IT KICKS THEM INTO HAVING A BUILDING THAT'S DESIGNATED AS BEING A HAZARDOUS STRUCTURE WITHIN THE BUILDING CODE.
SO STAFF, STAFF WOULD KNOW IT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE IN THOSE CONSTRUCTION APPLICATIONS.
UM, KIND OF ALONG THE SAME LINE OF QUESTIONING, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT, UM, I KEEP THINKING ABOUT OR HEARING ABOUT.
ONE IS CONTAINMENT AND THE OTHER IS DISPOSAL.
LIKE WE WANT TO LIMIT, UM, INPUTS AND OUTPUTS.
AND I THINK THE, THE, IT ALREADY ADDRESSES THE CONTAINMENT, RIGHT? EVERYTHING HAS TO HAPPEN IN A BUILDING.
SO YOU, THERE'S A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CONTAINMENT OF IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF, UM, HAZARDOUS SOMETHING, BUT IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO DISPOSAL AND IS LIKE, CAN YOU KEEP STUFF ON A SITE FOREVER? OR IS THERE SOMETHING THAT IN THE CODE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE RIGHT? OR, OR REDUCE, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF THOSE ACTIVITIES.
BUT IF THERE ARE SOME, IS THERE SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT PROPER DISPOSAL AT A, AT A FACILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES THAT THAT SO THAT, SO THAT THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S NOT THINGS ON THIS SITE THAT ARE THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD, ANOTHER GOOD PICKUP.
HONESTLY, I, I THINK IT'S, I I I WOULD ARGUE IT'S, IT'S BUILT INTO IT, BUT I GET THE POINT THAT, LET'S BE CLEAR THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROCESSES THAT ARE OCCURRING ON SITE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESSES THAT THEY'RE USING IN THE MANUFACTURING, BUT CONTAINMENT AND DISPOSAL.
I, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE TO IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT TO ME WOULD, AGAIN, NOT THINKING ABOUT ANY KIND OF ACTIVITIES WHERE THERE'S, IF, EVEN IF THEY'RE MINIMAL, THEY'RE NOT THERE FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PART OF A PROCESS AND THEN THEY'RE DISPOSED OF PROPERLY IN A, IN A FACILITY THAT DISPOSES OF THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY, I MEAN, I'M, AGAIN, I'M, I'M, I THINK THAT THE, THE CODE NOW IS REALLY GETTING TO THAT POINT OF INPUTS AND OUTPUTS THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM YEAH.
THE COMMUNITY FROM THE COMMISSION.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST ONE PIECE THAT I, I HEAR THE OUT THE, THE BYPRODUCT, BUT, BUT WHERE'S THE BYPRODUCT GO?
SO IF, IF WE COULD WRITE, I, AND AGAIN, I, THERE'S PROBABLY ALL SORTS OF THINGS YOU COULD KIND OF DEFINE ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT I DON'T, I THAT WOULD, THE EXPERTS WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT LANGUAGE.
SO IF I COULD, BEFORE YOU SHIFT INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF THE MEETING, JUST TO KEEP TRACK BEFORE WE LOSE TRACK, I'M HEARING THREE POTENTIAL ADDITIONS SO FAR.
AND THAT IS THE, THE NO PARTICULAR, THE BIOHAZARDS CONCERN, UM, THE LANGUAGE ABOUT CURRENTLY ACCEPTABLE METHODS OF TESTING THAT COULD BE ADDED IN, UH, ELSEWHERE IN THE CODE AND THEN THE CONTAINMENT AND DISPOSAL ISSUES.
ANY COMMISSION? ANY, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, GARY'S POINT ABOUT MOVING IT TO THE INTENT MIGHT BE, IS THAT LANGUAGE YOU WANTED TO DO? YEAH, MAY, YEAH.
AND MAYBE WHEN WE GET TO DELIBERATIONS, WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW WE ACTUALLY DO THAT.
'CAUSE I, I WOULD, I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT WOULD LIMIT POTENTIAL, UM, PROCESSES THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT YET.
BUT KATHY, UM, I JUST TO ADD, OH, SORRY.
UM, JUST ONE THING TO DO IT ASK ABOUT, ON THE OTHER SIDE WE HAVE THE, UM, CONTAINMENT AND DISPOSAL OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
WHAT ABOUT THE STORAGE OF, DO WE, IS THAT ADDRESSED AT ALL ON THE CODE? THE INPUT SIDE? SO STORAGE HAS TO BE ENTIRELY WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT CANNOT BE ON THE SITE.
AND AGAIN, WE WOULD LOOK TO BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS ON HOW IT ACTUALLY GETS STORED IN SAFE STORAGE IS CORRECT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED ABOUT EARLIER, AND I APOLOGIZE.
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UM, THE, AND YOU MENTIONED AGAIN, ZACH, THAT THE, UM, ATTEMPT TO MAINTAIN THE, UH, EXISTING TREE LINES THAT ARE THERE, THE AGRICULTURAL TREE LINES.JUST, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF, HAVE YOU ENVISIONED HOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? ARE YOU GONNA SPLIT PARCELS AROUND THEM? WHAT'S GONNA, SO A LOT OF THE EXISTING TREE LINES ARE ALREADY ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES.
UM, SO THAT'S AREA THAT IS ALREADY GONNA BE IN SETBACK.
AND WE ALREADY HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT TALKS ABOUT PRESERVING TREES TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET TO A POINT WHERE LOTS ARE PARCELED DIFFERENTLY, THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT WE WOULD BE HOLDING PEOPLE TO IS PRESERVING AS MANY TREES AS MANY HEALTHY, MATURE TREES AS POSSIBLE.
KNOWING FULL WELL THAT A LOT OF THOSE HAVE WIDE ROOTS, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AS WIDE A ROOT AS THE CROWN.
WOULD WE BE WATCHING THE BUILDING LIMITATIONS ITSELF, THE FOUNDATIONS, SO THAT THOSE TREE ROOTS ARE PRESERVED? YEAH, WE HAVE ROOT PROTECTION ZONES, UM, THAT OUR ZONING INSPECTORS WOULD MAKE SURE OUR BEING MET.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HANDLE ALL THE TIME WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT IF THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT TREE THAT WE WANT TO BE PRESERVED, THAT WE'RE AVOIDING ANY POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OR, UM, RUINING ITS HEALTH IN THE FUTURE.
WE, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT'S COMING UP IN PREVIOUS CASES IN PREVIOUS YEARS, AND I THINK THROUGH THAT PROCESS WE'VE COME UP WITH THIS IDEA OF PRESERVING THE DRIP LINE OF THE TREES.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE ROOTS TYPICALLY, WHICH WOULD MEAN NO FOUNDATIONS NOT EVEN GRADING YOU, YOU DON'T GRADE OVER ROOTS OF A TREE.
SO I I, I'M SEEING IT POP UP IN A LOT OF OTHER, UM, PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK IT'S BUILT IN NOW AS A, AS A CASE.
I DON'T HAVE THAT HISTORY, BUT THANK YOU.
MS. ER, UH, SPEAKING ABOUT ART AGAIN AND WHO'S ON THE TEAM, DO YOU SEE YOURSELVES LEANING ON THE FIRE CHIEF BECAUSE THEY BRING THAT EXPERTISE AS WELL, TOO ABOUT DIFFERENT, YEAH, SO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, AS WELL AS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THOUGH THEY ARE BOTH ON THE BOARD AND THEY BOTH REVIEW THE APPLICATION.
SO, UM, WE RELY ON EVERY MEMBER OF THAT BOARD, UH, ALL EQUALLY TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REVIEWING THESE APPROPRIATELY.
AND IF THAT PERSON FELT THAT IT WASN'T WORTHY TO MOVE ON, JUST THAT COULD STOP IT AS WELL TOO.
OR DO YOU NEED A VOTE OF EVERYONE? I GUESS I DON'T KNOW THAT PART.
IT'S STILL A PUBLIC BOARD, SO THERE IS A, A VOTE SIMILAR TO THIS AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE DELIBERATIONS.
UM, IDEALLY EVERYONE IS AWARE AND HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AT THAT POINT, SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TALK THROUGH ANY CONCERNS BEFORE WE GET TO AN A RT MEETING SIMILAR TO HOW WE DO WITH ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.
SO I'D SAY IT'S A SIMILAR PROCESS AND WE RELY ON EVERYONE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH PERSON'S AWARE OF ANY POTENTIAL CONCERNS WITH THEIR RESPECTIVE FIELDS COMMISSION AND OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
UH, WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
SO ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A COMMENT TONIGHT, COME UP TO THE, UM, LEFT TURN AND TURN THE MICROPHONE ON.
AND DO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES? STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ALSO.
UH, MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN COONEY 58 35 BARONS COURT, WAY IN BALANCE TREE.
I'D LIKE TO FOCUS MY COMMENTS TONIGHT ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW TEAM ON THE ART.
UM, A STARTING CONCEPT ON THIS IS YOU CAN DELEGATE AUTHORITY, BUT YOU CANNOT DELEGATE RESPONSIBILITY DESPITE ART BEING A MASSIVE SHIFT IN AUTHORITY, AWAY FROM PLANNING AND ZONING, AND A REDUCTION IN PUBLIC OVERSIGHT.
I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF A TEAM OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS EFFICIENTLY REVIEWING AND EXPEDITING THE APPROVAL OF APPLICATIONS THAT OBVIOUSLY CONFORM TO A TIGHT, CLEARLY WRITTEN ZONING CODE.
THE PROCESSES IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, HOWEVER, IT'S A GOOD START, BUT IT'S NOT READY FOR APPROVAL.
UM, I'LL JUST GIVE FOUR EXAMPLES.
I COULD STAY HERE I THINK MOST OF THE NIGHT AND SHARE MORE.
UM, THE FIRST IS ART MEMBERSHIP, TO YOUR POINT.
UH, THE APPROVAL PROCESS CALLS FOR PROJECTS NOT TO ENDANGER THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO ADVANCED MANUFACTURING AND ALL OF THESE NIFTY, FUTURISTIC THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY ON STAFF HAS ANYBODY
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WITH A CAPABILITY TO REVIEW THE CHEMICAL OR BIOHAZARDS OF THE PRODUCTS GOING IN THE OUTPUTS OR THE EFFLUENCE THAT ARE BEING BLOWN THROUGH STACKS AND THE LIKE.UM, AS A RESULT, I WOULD EXPECT FOR INDUSTRIAL PURPOSES THAT THE LACK OF A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IN HAZARDOUS AND BIOCHEMICAL MATERIALS IS A, IS A FATAL FLAW.
THAT PERSON ISN'T SOMEONE WHO YOU BRING IN ON A CONTRACT BASIS.
THAT'S SOMEBODY WHO IS ON THE COMMITTEE AND EVERY APPLICATION THAT INVOLVES THAT, THAT PERSON IS OPINING ON.
UH, THEY COULD ALSO BE THE QUALIFIED MEMBER WHO REVIEWS ALL OF THE SELF-DISCLOSURE BY THE APPLICANT AND SOMEONE WHO DEFINES WHAT THE ONGOING, UM, REVIEW AND TESTING SHOULD BE.
THE SECOND EXAMPLE IS JUST ART MEMBERSHIP.
THE ART SHALL CONSIST OF THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS AND THEY'RE ALL DEPARTMENT HEADS OR THEIR DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE, I'LL SAY THAT AGAIN, OR THEIR DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE.
GIVEN THE MASSIVE SHIFT IN AUTHORITY AND THE UNIQUENESS OF THE PROCESS, UM, AND THE EXCEPTIONAL NATURE OF THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING, I THINK WE NEED THE A TEAM MAKING THE DECISIONS OR AT A MINIMUM CLARIFICATION REGARDING WHO THE DESIGNATED ALTERNATIVE IS.
UM, AND THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF LIMIT PLACED ON HOW MANY DESIGNATED ALTERNATIVES ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE ON ANY GIVEN APPLICATION WITHIN THAT PROCESS.
PUBLIC NOTICES, PUBLIC NOTICES WILL BE SENT WITHIN 10 DAYS OF AN APPLICATION AND WILL INDICATE WHEN AND WHERE WRITTEN COMMENTS WILL BE RECEIVED.
IN THE MEANTIME, THE A RT IS REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE REVIEW OF AN APPLICATION WITHIN 28 DAYS.
I CAN'T RECONCILE THOSE TWO NUMBERS.
SO THE RE THE RESIDENT RECEIVES A NOTICE ON DAY 13, ASSUMING THEY SEE AT THE SAME DAY IT'S DELIVERED BY UPS.
THE EXPECTATION IS AT THAT POINT, HALF OF THE REVIEW TIME IS, HAS EXPIRED, AND THE EXPECTATION IS THE RESIDENT THEN HAS TO DIG INTO THE ACTUAL APPLICATION RESEARCH CONCERNS, WRITE A RESPONSE, AND SEND IT TO THE DESIGNATED ADDRESS.
THIS TIMELINE APPEARS TO BE BE FOCUSED ON CHECKING A BOX, PROBABLY A LEGAL REQUIREMENT, VERSUS BEING AN HONEST EFFORT TO PROVIDE PUBLIC NOTICE AND COLLECT PUBLIC COMMENT.
EXAMPLE FOUR, TIMELINE 28 DAYS.
THE ART IS SIGNING UP TO PERFORM A QUALITY REVIEW OF COMPLICATED INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS WITHIN 28 DAYS, NOT 28 BUSINESS DAYS, 28 DAYS.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY FOR-PROFIT COMPANY AND CERTAINLY NONE THAT I WORKED FOR OR HAD IT HAD MANAGEMENT RESPONSIBILITY WOULD EVER SIGN UP FOR A CONSTRAINT LIKE THAT.
UM, GIVEN THAT THE CITY'S LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN REDUCING, IN REVIEWING INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS, I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO SERIOUSLY THINK THROUGH THE APP THROUGH THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT COMMITMENT.
THERE'S NO MENTION OF HOW THE APPLICATIONS OF ARE APPROVED BY ART.
IS IT A MAJORITY VOTE OF ALL THE MEMBERS? IS IT A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT? UM, DO ALL DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE TO APPROVE? THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT OF A PROCESS TO NOT HAVE IT SPECIFIED IN THE CODE THAT'S SETTING UP THIS COMMITTEE.
I WON'T 'CAUSE I'M BLINKING AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
I WANNA REITERATE, I SUPPORT THE IDEA.
I THINK THAT GETTING THESE OBVIOUS APPROVALS OUT OF THE, OUT OF HERE AND GETTING THEM DONE IS A GREAT IDEA.
THE IDEA OF A GROUP OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS EFFICIENTLY REVIEWING AND EXPEDITING APPROVALS OF APPLICATIONS THAT OBVIOUSLY CONFORM TO A CLEAR TIGHTLY WRITTEN CODE.
A THE AMOUNT OF AUTHORITY THAT IS BEING DELEGATED TO CITY STAFF IS ENORMOUS AND CERTAINLY OUT OF CON, OUT OF, OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE SERIOUSNESS THAT YOU GUYS ARE USING AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS MAKES SENSE, THAT IT'S CLEAR AND IT'S NOT JUST A BLANK CHECK TO BRING IN WHATEVER, WHATEVER HAPPENS TO COME IN.
PLEASE KEEP THE APPLAUSE DOWN, PLEASE.
UH, WHO'S NEXT? HELLO, MY NAME'S DENISE HEMMER AND I LIVE AT 58 24 HUARD ROAD.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
I HAVE FIVE SIMPLE POINTS FOR CONSIDERATION.
FIRST, ID SIX SHOULD SERVE AS A TRUE TRANSITION BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
BEST PRACTICES IN ZONING IS TO CREATE LAYERED BUFFERS, RESIDENTIAL, THEN OFFICE OR RETAIL, THEN LIGHT BUSINESS BEFORE MOVING INTO LIGHT AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
THE CURRENT ID SIX LANGUAGE DOES NOT CLEARLY ESTABLISH THAT PROGRESSION, AND IT SHOULD
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SECOND THE ID SIX CODE MUST, MUST INCLUDE CLEAR MEASURABLE STANDARDS.THE BEST POLICIES ARE ONES YOU CAN TEST AND ENFORCE.
IN MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE.
NOTHING GOES INTO PRODUCTION WITHOUT RIGOROUS TESTING AND DEFINED METRICS.
AS THE SAYING GOES, WHAT GETS MEASURED GETS MANAGED.
RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT CLEAR I HOW ID SIX WILL CONSISTENTLY GET MEASURED AND OR MANAGED.
THIRD, THESE STANDARDS SHOULD APPLY TO ALL RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT PARCELS, NOT JUST BALANCE TRAY, THE RESIDENTS ON HOOTER ROAD FACE EQUAL, IF NOT GREATER RISK.
MANY OF US RELY ON WELL WATER, WHICH IS DIRECTLY VULNERABLE TO INDUSTRIAL RUNOFF.
THE LANGUAGE SHOULD PROTECT ALL RESIDENTS EQUALLY.
FOURTH, I ASK YOU TO PUT PEOPLE OVER PROFIT.
THE STRENGTH OF DUBLIN COMES FROM, FROM ITS RESIDENTS TODAY AND FOR GENERATIONS TO COME, PROTECTING NMS SHOULD REMAIN THE TOP PRIORITY.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU EITHER VOTE NO TONIGHT OR SEND THE PROPOSAL BACK TO STAFF TWO, ONE, ENSURE THE PERMITTED USES ARE TRULY TRANSITIONAL, ADD CLEAR MEASURABLE STANDARDS AND APPLY ID SIX PROTECTIONS TO ALL RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT AREAS.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO ONLINE HABITS THAT I SUBMITTED HOPEFULLY COULD UNDERSTAND ME.
COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? OH, JENNIFER BEL.
UM, SO FIRST, UH, THESE, THESE COMMENTS ARE BASED ON A CONVERSATION I ACTUALLY HAD WITH MR. WADE LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO.
FIRST, MR. WE STATED THAT THE MAIN CONCERN AGAINST PUTTING ALREADY PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE LAND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY TONIGHT, WAS THE PROXIMITY TO TRAIN TRACKS ADDING ONGOING TRAFFIC TO CAUSE GRAY ROAD WILL DO MORE DAMAGE TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR DUBLIN RESIDENTS THAN INTERMITTENT TRAIN TRAFFIC.
DIESEL ENGINES, LARGER VEHICLES THAT WILL BE OPERATING 50 FEET AWAY FROM THE BACK OF THE RESIDENTS HOMES WILL SIGNIFICANTLY ADD HARMFUL PARTICULAR MATTER NITROGEN OXIDES, UM, CHRONIC LOW FREQUENCY ACOUSTIC POLLUTION AND VIBRATIONS LIKE THIS.
SO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE PARKED THERE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE DRIVEN UP AND DOWN THE ROAD FOR SHIPPING AND RECEIVING.
THIS IS WHY I REQUESTED THAT YOU ADD A NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC CALMING OVERLAY ZONE TO THE AREA THAT WOULD DO A LOT MORE FOR THE AREA THAN WHAT DUBLIN CURRENTLY HAS, WHICH IS JUST A SPEED MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
THIS IS WHAT IT WILL SOUND LIKE.
AND SANDY MCINTOSH'S BACKYARD, SHE WILL BE SPEAKING TO YOU LATER TONIGHT THAT THOSE ARE TRUCKS 50 FEET AWAY.
ALSO, MR WE WHO WAS AN URBAN PLANNER HIMSELF INITIALLY WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE TRUCK NOISES THAN HE WAS ABOUT TRAINS.
HE STATED HIMSELF ON JANUARY 20TH, 2024, THAT HE BELIEVES THE RAILROAD IS A LOGICAL DIVIDE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SOMETHING ELSE.
WHEN LOOKING AT THE AREA PLAN MAP, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO EXTEND THE BALL ANDRE CHARACTER TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND COMPLETE THAT TRIANGULAR SECTION THAT EXTENDS UP TO DARI FIELD SHIRE RINGS ROAD IN THE INNOVATION DISTRICT.
HE ALSO STA STATED THAT HE THINKS ADDING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF USE WOULD PUT EMPHASIS ON COS GRAY ROAD TO BE MORE THAN A RESIDENTIAL STREET THROUGHOUT THIS AREA, TO WHICH THE RESIDENTS OF BALLANT TRAY MAY OBJECT.
YEAH, THE APPLICANT'S IDEA FOR THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACK IS THE CORRECT APPROACH AND THE LAND USE FITS.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE APPLICANT THAT WANTS TO PUT RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN THIS AREA.
HIS CONCERN WAS ABOUT THE STRAIN ON COSWAY ROAD AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT THE RESIDENTS.
MR WE ALSO SAID TO ME THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SEND THIS BACK TO COUNSEL, TO PUT A STOP TO THIS NOW TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
ACCORDING TO DUBLIN CODE SECTION 1 5 3 0.234, COUNSEL MAY CHANGE OR AMEND THE TEXT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR THE ZONING DISTRICT MAP.
PROPOSED CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS MAY BE ISSUED BY COUNCIL BY RESOLUTION OR BY MOTION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THIS CODE IS NOT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE TO PROTECT
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RESIDENTS HEALTH AND SAFETY.THIS IN PARTICULAR IS WHEN PNZ NEEDS TO GET INVOLVED.
WHEN YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO INITIATE AN ADMINISTRATIVE REQUEST CODE AMENDMENT CASE, AND TO ASK STAFF TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
TO GET THIS RIGHT, YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT.
AT THE VERY LEAST, YOU CAN ADDRESS DIRECT STAFF TO LOOK INTO MAKING CERTAIN USES CONDITIONAL.
THIS WOULD MITIGATE SOME OF THE ONGOING CONCERNS THAT WERE JUST TOLD TO YOU ABOUT THE CHANGING NATURE OF BUSINESS.
IF THESE USES WERE CONDITIONAL, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
YOU WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY AND THE ABILITY TO MEET THOSE NEEDS HEAD ON AS THEY COME UP FOUR YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, AND ON WRITING CODE VAGUELY TO ADDRESS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO INSTEAD OF WRITING CODE THAT ENSURES THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOMES IS NEVER A GOOD IDEA.
I ASK YOU AT THE VERY LEAST, TO VOTE NO ON HOW THIS CODE STANDS TODAY AND SEND IT BACK FOR MORE WORK.
CLAPPING IS A FORM OF FREE SPEECH.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT AND A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO JENNY, JEREMIAH, ZACH AND KEEGAN FOR THE TIME.
WE SPENT MONDAY AFTERNOON TALKING ABOUT THE HIERARCHY OF MANUFACTURING THAT I THINK YOU'VE HAVE RECEIVED FROM AN EMAIL.
UM, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WAS SHOWING UP IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION, SO I APPRECIATE THE WILLINGNESS TO BE ABLE TO COLLABORATE AND SHARE IDEAS.
I ALSO LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT PROCESS, SO THANK YOU.
UM, I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BY A FEW THINGS.
SO IN THE DEFINITION OF ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, WE STILL HAVE INCLUDED ROBOTS AND AUTOMATION, BUT THE DISTRICT INTENT IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WE WANNA RESEARCH SOMETHING, WE WANNA PROTOTYPE SOMETHING, WE WANT TO KEEP THE SCALE, THE SCALE AND INTENSITY SMALL THAT DOESN'T SUIT ITSELF TO ROBOTICS AND AUTOMATION.
OKAY? ROBOTS AND AUTOMATION ARE VERY EXPENSIVE, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE HIGH VOLUME TO OFFSET THAT COST PER UNIT, OTHERWISE IT BECOMES ECONOMICALLY INFEASIBLE.
SO I'M JUST SUGGESTING FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THE CODE, FOR AT LEAST FOR ID SIX TO REMOVE ROBOTICS AND AUTOMATION.
IT DOESN'T REALLY MATCH THE INTENT OF ID SIX.
JUST A SUGGESTION I THINK IS ALSO BROUGHT UP BY A COUPLE OF COMMISSION MEMBERS, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE CRITERIA FOR MINIMIZE OR THE CRITERIA TO LIMIT? I HEARD WE, UH, GONNA RELY ON STAFF AND I THINK AS CHRISTIAN BROUGHT UP EARLIER, UM, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT DUBLIN'S DONE BEFORE.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL AROUND HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THIS.
SO THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING SOMEWHERE THAT'S GONNA PROTECT THE RESIDENTS.
AND IT'S NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS, IT'S THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALSO IN ID SIX, AND IT'S THE KIDS PLAYING AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX.
YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT IN TOTALITY.
UM, LAND USES ARE EXPECTED TO BE OF LOWER INTENSITY AND SCALE.
UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF THAT RESEARCH PROTOTYPES, UH, DEVELOP PILOT PRODUCTION LINES, AND THEN WITH THE INTENTION, AS I LEARNED MONDAY, THAT THAT WOULD THEN BE SCALABLE AT ANOTHER LOCATION THAT'S MORE CONDUCIVE TO HIGHER VOLUME MANUFACTURING.
UM, BUT I I WOULD ALSO WONDER WHAT IS THE CRITERIA FOR LOW INTENSITY AND SCALE? IS THAT A HUNDRED UNITS PRODUCED PER WEEK? IS IT A HUNDRED UNITS A DAY? IS IT A THOUSAND UNITS A DAY? IS IT 10,000 UNITS A WEEK? I DON'T REALLY HAVE A COMFORT IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE MEAN BY LOW SCALE, UH, LOW INTENSITY AND SCALE.
THE OTHER ITEM IN THE CODE IS, UH, IT WAS, UH, QUALITY CONTROL WAS CROSSED OUT.
I I THINK THAT HAS TO STAY BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS DEVELOPING SOMETHING AND NO WAY TO VALIDATE THAT YOU MET YOUR DESIGN ON YOUR MANUFACTURING INTENT.
SO I REALLY BELIEVE IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT COMPLIANCE WITH CODE OR COMPLIANCE WITH REGULATIONS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A QUALITY CONTROL FUNCTION INSIDE THAT BUILDING.
IT CAN'T BE OUTSOURCED FOR LATER.
THAT BECOMES VERY DANGEROUS, UM, FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, ALSO TONIGHT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE EVOLVING TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS CERTAINLY APPRECIABLE.
IT'S PROBABLY MOVING FASTER THAN MOST OF US WOULD LIKE.
UM, BUT, AND THEN IT WAS, UH, COMMUNICATED THAT WELL, THE BUSINESSES WOULD NEED TO TELL US WHAT WE'RE CHANGING.
ARE WE CONFIDENT THE BUSINESSES ARE GONNA TELL US THAT THEY'RE CHANGING FROM THIS CHEMICAL TO THIS CHEMICAL? THE INTENT OF THAT RESEARCH DISTRICT IS TO BE ABLE TO DO TRIAL AND ERROR, RIGHT? WE WANNA RESEARCH SOMETHING.
WE WANT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW AND INNOVATIVE, RIGHT? SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE HAVE CHANGE POINTS IN THAT RESEARCH OR THAT MANUFACTURING PROPOSAL CHANGE
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POINTS THAT AREN'T WELL MANAGED CAUSE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. WE COULD GRANT A PERMIT FOR SOMEBODY TO BUILD A BUILDING AND THEY'RE DOING ALL THE RIGHT THINGS.BUT THROUGH THIS RESEARCH TRIAL AND ERROR, MAYBE THEY INTRODUCE PFAS TO THEIR PROCESS.
HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT'S BEING CHANGED? I I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA COME FORWARD AND TELL THE CITY EVERY TIME, HEY, BY THE WAY, I'M GONNA EXCHANGE THIS CHEMICAL FOR THIS CHEMICAL.
I, I THINK IT'S RISKY AS IT'S LAID OUT TODAY.
I THINK THE CONCERN IS THAT THERE AREN'T A LOT OF EXAMPLES WHERE WE HAVE THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS.
SO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
IN MY 35 YEARS AT HONDA, WE NEVER HAD AN RD FACILITY OR OUR SUPPLIERS NEVER HAD AN RD FACILITY, A MANUFACTURING OR A DISTRIBUTION FACILITY.
SO CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THESE COMPANIES LOCATED OUT IN THE COUNTRY IN A CORNFIELD FOR A REASON.
AND THE REASON IS THEY HAD TO MANAGE THE RISK.
WHAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED? WE DON'T SEE THESE PLACES, THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS SO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE NEED FOR TO UNDERSTAND COMPLIANCE ENFORCEMENT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO IF WE TAKE A LONG-TERM VIEWPOINT LIKE ENVISION, THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN HAS, THIS CODE SHOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE AND BE CLEAR, THIS IS NEW FOR DUBLIN.
THIS IS A CHANCE FOR YOU GUYS TO SET THE BENCHMARK FOR OTHER CITIES AND HOW TO DO DEVELOPMENT.
SO TO ME, THE REAL QUESTION IS HOW CAN THE CITY'S STATED OBJECTIVE FOR SUSTAINABILITY BE APPLIED WITH MANUFACTURING DEFINITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPROVED, BUT ARE STILL A LITTLE BIT VAGUE? THEY DON'T PROVIDE CLARITY.
THEY MAY BE OPEN TO STAFF INTERPRETATION WITHOUT SOME EXPERTS, AND THEY DON'T PROVIDE ASSURANCES TO RESIDENTS, BUSINESS AND SPORTS PARTICIPANTS THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE USE AND APPLICATION OF TOXIC OR CHEMI HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS BY PRODUCTS.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION DEBATING THE, THE INTENT, THE DEFINITION, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT HOW ARE WE CONNECTING THE DUBLIN STATED OBJECTIVE OF SUSTAINABILITY WITH DANGEROUS CHEMICALS AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS? TO ME, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT HAS TO BE RESOLVED.
I IF YOU COULD WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, YOU'RE WAY OVER YOUR THREE MINUTES.
I THINK I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE MANUAL.
I ACTUALLY HAVE FIVE MINUTES, NOT THREE.
SO IF I'M OVER FIVE, I APOLOGIZE.
I LIVE AT 5 7 9 2 TRAF FOGGER LANE.
YOU HEARD TONIGHT THAT CITY STAFF WOULD LIKE TO ATTRACT BIOTECH LABS TO MS. NEWELL'S POINT.
DOES THAT MEAN A LAB THAT'S TESTING ANTHRAX OR EBOLA OR HAN VIRUS OR ANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE NEWS RIGHT NOW? AND IF SO, WHAT STANDARDS WILL DEFINE WHETHER THAT HA HAZARD HAS BEEN BEEN MINIMIZED OR LIMITED? YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY RESIDENTS ARE LEERY OF LEAVING THAT DETERMINATION TO THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SIGNED A NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WITH THE DATA CENTER COMPANY IN FEBRUARY, 2024, AND THEN RECOMMENDED FEDEX HUBS, AMAZON WAREHOUSES, AND DATA CENTERS FOR THE EXACT SAME LAND THAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
I WOULD ALSO ASK YOU TO ASK YOURSELVES WHY DEFINING ADVANCED MANUFACTURING RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, CLEAN MANUFACTURING AND CLEAN PRODUCTION, WHICH BY THE WAY STILL HAS NOT BEEN DEFINED DESPITE YOUR REQUEST TO DO SO AT THE LAST MEETING.
WHY IS THAT SO DIFFICULT? AFTER MONTHS OF DRAFTING BY CONSULTANTS, THE CITY IS SPENDING $150,000 OF TAXPAYER MONEY ON, THERE ARE LAWYERS, THERE ARE ARCHITECTS, THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ON PLANNING AND ZONING MATTERS WHO ARE STILL STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THIS LANGUAGE PERMITS AND EXACTLY WHAT IT DOES NOT.
I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS THAT THE CITY CONTINUES TO TRY TO STICK A SQUARE PEG INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT INTO A ROUND HOLE, A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THIS BASIC TENSION IS THE REASON THIS IS SO HARD.
IF ID SIX IS TRULY TO SERVE AS A TRANSITION DISTRICT AS THE NAME STATES, THEN YOU SHOULD APPROVE OFFICES AND PARKS AS THE ONLY USES IN THIS DISTRICT.
AT A MINIMUM, I WOULD IMPLORE YOU TO MAKE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONAL USES.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS THAT SOME OF YOU VOICED AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT DOING THAT, BUT COMING TO A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IS A MINOR INCONVENIENCE FOR A DEVELOPER AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T OUTWEIGH THE HEALTH SAFETY AND OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT FOR MONTHS NOW, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE CITY'S RELATIVE LACK OF EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND COMPLETE LACK OF EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT SO CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
YOUR VOTE TONIGHT HAS TANGIBLE AND LONG LASTING CONSEQUENCES FOR THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.
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DO NOT ALLOW CITY STAFF TO MAKE YOU FEEL RUSHED OR FORCED INTO A DECISION THAT YOU ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH.I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST TO APPLY ID SIX TO THE PARCELS WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
NOT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THE RESIDENTS OF HUARD ROAD, BUT SELFISHLY BECAUSE THAT'S 0.3 MILES FROM MY HOUSE.
IT'S A 0.1 MILES FROM SOME OTHER HOUSES IN THE BALANCE TREE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S HOW CLOSE WE'RE TALKING.
LASTLY, I WOULD BE REMISS NOT TO EXPRESS MY DISMAY WITH THE CITY POSTING THE CURRENT ITERATION OF THE ID SIX ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS AT 5:00 PM ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON THAT LEFT THOSE WHO ARE UNABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING TO DELIVER THEIR COMMENTS IN PERSON WITH ONLY TWO BUSINESS DAYS TO REVIEW AND DIGEST THAT NEW INFORMATION AND PREPARE AND SUBMIT THEIR WRITTEN COMMENTS.
THIS IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE TRANSPARENCY DUBLIN CLAIMS TO VALUE AND IT INSTEAD FEELS LIKE AN ATTEMPT TO STIFLE AND LIMIT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION TO RUSH THIS THROUGH.
THIS IS REASON ENOUGH NOT TO VOTE THIS EVENING OR TO VOTE.
I LIVE AT 5 6 4 2 TIME CASTLE LOOP.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND ATTENTION THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN TO READ COMMENTS AND ENGAGE IN MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS RELATED TO THE CODE DISCUSSION FOR THE ID SIX RESIDENTS SHARE MANY CONCERNS RELATED TO HOW THE ZONING WILL IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY FROM A NARROW LENS WITHIN BALL TRAY AND FUTURE ROAD AND LARGER VIEW AS WE CONSIDER VISITORS IN OUR AREA AS WE ENHANCE THE PREMIER ATHLETIC RECREATION CENTER.
I JUST WANNA SPEAK ON SAFETY AND TOUCH ON THE LACK OF OBJECTIVE CRITERIA IN PLACING SAFEGUARDS RELATING TO CLEAN PRODUCTION.
GREENWASHING IS A TERM THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ON WITHIN RECENT WEEKS AND I WANNA SHARE THE CONCEPT WITH YOU IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DEFINITION.
GREENWASHING IS THE PRACTICE OF MAKING BRANDS APPEAR MORE SUSTAINABLE THAN THEY REALLY ARE.
IT'S A WAY FOR COMPANIES, ORGANIZATIONS, GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, ET CETERA, TO APPEAR THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO IMPLEMENT ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS WHILE ALSO INCREASING PROFIT MARGINS.
I WILL BE BOLD ENOUGH TO SAY TONIGHT THAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN MAY BE PLAYING IN THE SANDBOX WITH THIS PARADIGM.
THE CRITERIA TO MINIMIZE MEASURE AND PROVIDE STANDARDS FOR CREATING CLEAN PRODUCTION HAS NOT YET BEEN DEFINED.
YET THE CITY IS WILLING TO FREE FALL INTO AN INDUSTRIAL ARENA THAT IS NOT STRUCTURED TO PROVIDE SAFETY AT THE FOREFRONT.
DUBLIN HAS CREATED AN IMAGE THAT IS THE MOST DESIRED PLACE TO LIVE IN THE GREATER COLUMBUS AREA.
OUR VISION STATES THAT IT IS THE MOST SUSTAINABLE CITY THAT HAS EXEMPLARY ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AND THAT WE ARE THE MOST RESILIENT WITH THE BEST QUALITY OF LIFE AND ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL TO THRIVE.
YES, ADJUSTMENTS TO THE CODE HAVE BEEN MADE, BUT IS IT TRULY ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE? WILL IT PROTECT THE CHILDREN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE FAMILIES ENJOYING THE BASEBALL AND SOCCER FIELDS OR EVEN THOSE WALKING ALONG THE FUTURE SIGNATURE TRAIL? IF DUBLIN IS TRULY A SUSTAINABLE CITY, WHY NOT CREATE MORE SPECIFIC AND DETAILED STANDARDS THAT PROTECT US MORE THAN JUST COVERING IT UP WITH LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING.
PLEASE CONTINUE SETTING THE HIGH STANDARD THAT DUBLIN HAS BUILT AND TIGHTEN THE CODES TO FURTHER PROVIDE SAFEGUARDS AROUND THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND ONE OF THE LAST FEW REMAINING OPEN GREEN SPACES IN OUR CITY.
MY ADDRESS IS 59 45 VAND LER PLACE IN DUBLIN.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU ALL TONIGHT.
UM, IF I WAS SITTING ON THE COMMISSION, AND OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT, THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK MYSELF IS, WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THESE AMENDMENTS? MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS WAS THAT THE GOAL WAS TO PERMIT DEVELOPMENT AT THE SAME TIME ADDRESS RESIDENT CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT CAME TO HEALTH AND SAFETY.
UM, AND I THOUGHT THE CITY WAS TRYING TO CREATE AN AREA IN THIS DISTRICT THAT WOULD SERVE AS A BUFFER TO MORE INTENSE INDUSTRIAL USES.
THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD THE DIRECTIVE THAT CITY COUNCIL GAVE STAFF IN AUGUST, THE MEETING.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT HOW YOU UNDERSTAND THE GOAL? AND DO YOU THINK THESE AMENDMENTS IN THEIR CURRENT FORM DO THAT? I DON'T.
I THINK IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED.
THEY FAILED TO PROTECT RESIDENT HEALTH AND SAFETY.
I'M NOT GENERALIZING WHEN I SAY
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THAT THE CODE AMENDMENTS ARE AMBIGUOUS AND TOO BROAD.I THINK YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, SHARE THAT CONCERN.
UM, THEY CREATE REAL DANGERS FOR MY KIDS, REAL DANGERS.
IF THE GOAL IS TO FIND A BALANCE THAT PROTECTS SAFETY WHILE ALLOWING FOR DEVELOPMENT, THEN THE AMENDMENTS NEED FURTHER WORK.
AND I THINK IT WOULD ALSO HELP THE CITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN TO DEVELOP THESE PARCELS TO GET THIS NAILED DOWN.
NOW, DO YOU REALLY WANT ME AT THESE ART MEETINGS WHEN YOU DO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION IN THE DEVELOPER IN THE ROOM? DO YOU WANT ME TO REQUEST AN EPA HEARING EVERY TIME THEY FILE A PERMIT? I THINK IT BENEFITS EVERYONE TO GET THIS CODE LANGUAGE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
SECOND, AT THE LAST MEETING YOU HAD, UM, DURING YOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT CONDITIONAL USES, SOME OF THE STATEMENTS WERE MADE WERE NOT JIVING WITH MY UNDERSTANDING OF, UM, HOW OHIO LAW WORKS WITH RESPECT TO CONDITIONAL USES.
I AM A LAWYER AND I AM SOMEONE WHO FOR THE LAST YEAR HAS BEEN LIVING AND BREATHING, UM, THESE ISSUES HELPING COMMUNITIES ALL OVER OHIO, UM, WITH DATA CENTERS.
UM, SO I WENT BACK TO THE APRIL, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WAS THE LAST TIME CITY COUNCIL, UH, AMENDED THE WAIT AMENDMENT.
SO THE CODE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, UM, AND THAT THEY ALSO DISCUSSED CONDITIONAL USES AT THAT MEETING AND THE CONVERSATION THEY WERE HAVING WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU ALL WERE HAVING.
THEY ULTIMATELY DECIDED UNANIMOUSLY, BY THE WAY, THAT CONDITIONAL USE WAS APPROPRIATE IN THE WID FOR DATA CENTERS IN ID THREE SOLELY BASED ON THE NEED FOR P AND Z REVIEW BY YOU ALL TO ADD AN EXTRA LAYER OF PROTECTIONS TO RESIDENTS.
ALRIGHT? AND I WANNA GIVE YOU GUYS THE AUTHORITY 'CAUSE YOU HAVE IT TO REQUEST A CONDITIONAL USE FOR ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IN THE LANGUAGE TONIGHT.
UM, FINALLY, SINCE I HAD TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE MINUTES, 'CAUSE I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK MY MEMORY SINCE IT HAD BEEN A WHILE, I REALIZED THAT THE CODE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PUBLICLY POSTED FOR THIS MEETING DOESN'T MATCH THE CODE LANGUAGE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AT THAT MEETING.
SO TO BE SUPER CLEAR, THE WRONG VERSION OF THE CODE WAS SENT TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS I'M GUESSING YOU, BUT I'VE, I'VE NOT SEEN YOUR PACKET BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK A COURT WOULD LIKELY FIND THAT PROPER NOTICE WAS NOT GIVEN OF THIS MEETING.
AND PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU COMBINE THAT WITH THE OTHER DUE PROCESS ISSUES FOR FAILURE TO SEND NOTICE TO THE ZONING MEETING, UM, IT'S JUST A REAL UGLY LOOK.
UM, AND AS I THINK YOUR LAW DIRECTOR WILL TELL YOU PROCEDURAL ISSUES ARE YOU'VE GOTTA DO 'EM ALL.
ELON MUSK JUST LOST HIS LAWSUIT.
IF YOU FOLLOW THAT THIS WEEK OVER A TECHNICALITY AND HE HAS THE BEST LAWYERS IN THE WORLD, YOU GOTTA DO IT RIGHT AND THE, AND FOR DEMOCRACY, YOU SHOULD WANT TO.
SO MY ASK TONIGHT IS TO RECOMMEND, UM, THAT THIS NEEDS MORE WORK BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.
I RESIDE AT 6 6 3 9 BARONS COURT LOOP DUBLIN.
AS A MEMBER OF THE BALANCE TRADE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS CONCERNED, VERY CONCERNED.
THE ANXIETY LEVEL IS HIGH IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE WESTERN INNOVATION DISTRICT.
WHILE YOU MAY HEAR FROM SOME OF US MORE THAN OTHERS, WE DO HAVE AN ACTIVE COMMUNITY OF CLOSE TO 700 MEMBERS ON FACEBOOK WHO DEEPLY ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
THEY ARE VERY ACTIVE EXCHANGING ON FACEBOOK.
AND AGAIN, AS I HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, FEELING VERY ANXIOUS ABOUT THE WESTERN INVASION DISTRICT AND THE DECISION THAT OF COURSE YOU ALL ARE ABOUT TO MAKE, THOSE MEMBERS HAVE ALL BEEN VETTED FOR RESIDENCY BEFORE JOINING.
NOT EVERYONE IS COMFORTABLE SUBMITTING COMMENTS OR SPEAKING PUBLICLY, BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT THE RESIDENTS OF BALLANT TREE DO CARE.
AND AGAIN, VERY, VERY CONCERNED.
ALSO, THERE ARE SEVERAL SCHOOL EVENTS HAPPENING TONIGHT.
IF NOT, THEY WILL ALL BE HERE, UM, INCLUDING A MIDDLE SCHOOL ACADEMIC AWARD CEREMONY AND GRADUATION THAT ARE IMPACTING RESIDENTS ABILITY TO BE IN THIS MEETING.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO REPRESENT
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THEM.I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS NOT THE CASE WHERE A VOCAL MINORITY ARE PRETENDING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE MAJORITY.
I CONFIRM THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS BELIEVE THAT THE CODE AMENDMENTS ARE NOT READY FOR APPROVAL.
PLEASE CONSIDER THAT TONIGHT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING VERY SIMPLE REQUESTS.
PLEASE SEND THE CODE AMENDMENTS BACK TO THE CITY STAFF FOR FURTHER REFINEMENT.
SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE VOICED LEGITIMATE CONCERNS, NOTING THE LACK OF CLARITY ON THE TERMS AND OBJECTIVE CRITERIA IN THE AMENDMENTS.
AND THOSE WHO HAVE SPOKEN EARLIER WERE VERY, VERY CLEAR.
I MEAN, UH, MS. NEWELL, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE CONCERN REGARDING HAZARDOUS BIOHAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND OF COURSE, PARTICULARLY HOW TO MINIMIZE AGAIN, THOSE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
WE HAVE MADE SOME GOOD PROGRESS ON THE CODE AMENDMENTS, BUT WE NEED TO REALLY GET IT RIGHT.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE CODE PROVIDE PROACTIVE PROTECTIONS THAT PREVENT ISSUES RELATED OR PREVENT ISSUES INSTEAD OF RESIDENTS SEEKING REACTIVE PROTECTIONS.
ONCE THERE ARE ISSUES, AS A LEADER, I KNOW WE HAVE TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS.
IT'S ALL IN YOUR HANDS, BY THE WAY.
AND SOMETIMES TO BALANCE THE INTEREST OF ALL PARTIES, GETTING THE AMENDMENTS RIGHT DOESN'T HELP THE RESIDENTS.
IT HELPS THE CITY GUARANTEE A SMOOTHER EXPERIENCE FOR DEVELOPERS WHEN THEY RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES, IT MEANS DEVELOPERS HAVE CLARITY ON WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO BEFORE PURCHASING A PROPERTY.
FINALLY, IT BUILDS TRUST IN THE, UM, WESTERN INNOVATION DISTRICT DESIGN AND VISION.
SO I ASK TONIGHT FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, PLEASE PROTECT US AS RESIDENTS.
IF YOU WERE IN OUR SHOES, WHAT, WHAT WILL YOU THINK? WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE REPRESENT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE REPRESENT VOLUNTARY THAT WILL BE IN DANGER IF THAT DECISION IS MADE.
SO YOU ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN INFLUENCE THIS DECISION.
SO PLEASE, I ASK OF YOU TONIGHT TO CONSIDER THAT, TO DON'T MAKE THAT DECISION AND PLEASE DON'T VOTE.
I LIVE AT 5 8 2 6 HOCHER ROAD.
AND I REALLY THOUGHT YOU, YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH SOME PRETTY GOOD THINGS THAT ARE OF CONCERN, UH, TO THE POINT WHERE I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE READY TO SEND IT TO THE, UH, CITY FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE TO TAKE CARE OF BIOHAZARD CONCERNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ALONG WITH THAT, SINCE I THINK YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK, LIKE TO, LIKE TO REQUEST THAT YOU REMOVE COS GRAY FROM THE ID ID SIX, UH, WORDING THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO, UH, LET HOOCHIE ROAD BE PART OF THE ID SIX PROGRAM.
UH, SINCE WE HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A MEETING TO DISCUSS THAT, UH, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO A, LEAVE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS, CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, SEVERAL, WELL, PROBABLY LAST YEAR SOMETIME I MENTIONED, UH, OR TALKED ABOUT, UH, FIRED HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, BATTERY MANUFACTURING.
AND THE PROBLEM THAT OCCURRED IN CALIFORNIA WAS WIDESPREAD.
AND IF YOU PUT ONE OF THOSE OVER ON CHAR ROADSIDE, ENTRE IS GONNA GET MOST OF THE FALLOUT FROM THAT ANYWAYS.
SO I THINK CERTAIN THINGS NEED TO BE CONCERNED AND ID SIX WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT IF IT WAS IN, UM, OR WAS, I'M SORRY, WAS, UM, APPROVED FOR, UH, CHER ROAD RESIDENTS, ET CETERA.
SO I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT AND THAT YOU NOT VOTE THIS EVENING TO PUT THIS FORTH TO, UM, THE COUNCIL, CONSIDERING THERE'S APPEARS TO BE A LOT MORE WORK TO BE DONE,
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UH, AND ANY PLACE THAT HAS A RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHERS IN THE, UM, WID PROGRAM THAT HAVE, UH, OTHER HOUSING ISSUES.THEY ALL BE ALL NEED TO BE CONCERNED AND ID SIX WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THOSE PROBLEMS. SO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DID TONIGHT.
I'M UNDER TIME, SURPRISINGLY, SO THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER, UM, SPEAKERS TONIGHT? OKAY.
OH, PLEASE STEP UP TO THE PLATFORM.
HI, MY NAME IS KATHY BALLMER, 5 8 6 OH HOARD ROAD.
HOARD ROAD IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
WHY SHOULD WE HAVE LESS PROTECTION THAN WHAT YOU'RE GIVEN BALL TRAY? WE AREN'T EVEN A PART OF DUBLIN RIGHT NOW, AND WE ARE JUST BEING NOT TREATED FAIRLY IS, UH, MY OPINION.
I HOPE YOU CAN DO SOMETHING TO HELP US.
WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'LL PROBABLY BE TAKEN INTO DUBLIN AT SOME POINT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN DUBLIN.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE TONIGHT.
UH, PLEASE CONSIDER CHAR ROAD AS RESIDENTIAL AND WE NEED YOUR HELP AND YOUR PROTECTION.
WE COULD BE JUST AS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TOXICITY, THE NOISE, THE ALL THE BAD THINGS EVERYBODY'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
AND WE REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE YOU, YOU PROTECTING US.
ANYONE ELSE? I'M GONNA DO A COUNTDOWN.
OUR, UH, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS NOW CLOSED.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND THE, THE, THE LONG LIST OF COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE ONLINE THAT WE'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW.
UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, AND I'M GOING TO START WITH MR. ALEXANDER TONIGHT.
WE'LL GO THAT WAY AND THAT WAY AND, AND BY, AND LET'S, THIS IS A DISCUSSION.
SO LET, LET'S NOT MAKE IT LIKE A, WE, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF HERE TO NOODLE THROUGH.
SO I'M GONNA JUST HAVE GARY START US OFF HOW, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MAYBE THAD AND THE STAFF.
AND, AND GREG, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME REVISIONS TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS EARLIER.
AND, AND GREG TOOK NOTE OF THREE AREAS.
SO PROCESS WISE, IF WE WANT TO SEE THOSE AND IN OUR DELIBERATIONS, WE MAY WANT SOME OTHERS.
SO IF WE WANT TO SEE THOSE MODIFICATIONS, THEN HOW WOULD WE PROCEED? SO ONE OPTION THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A, IF YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THE, UM, PROPOSED ID SIX CODE AND A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT FOR COUNCIL TONIGHT, YOU COULD VOTE ON THAT RECOMMENDATION SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS THAT BEFORE IT GETS TO COUNCIL, THAT THOSE CERTAIN ITEMS WOULD BE ADDRESSED.
AND WOULD THEY BE SUBJECT IF WE'VE, IF WE VOTED TO MOVE IT FORWARD, THEN IT WOULDN'T COME BACK TO THIS BODY TO REVIEW BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THE OTHER OPTION THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE WOULD BE TO, UM, POSTPONE A VOTE UNTIL A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.
MR. GARVIN THOUGHTS? WELL, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DIVED INTO ANY OF THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT SEVERAL WERE BROUGHT UP, UM, BOTH IN OUR MEETING AND BY PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, THAT WE SHOULD TALK OVER.
UH, ONE THAT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ON, UM, IN CA, UNLESS I HAD MISHEARD IT, WOULD WE, WOULD THE, THE CITY HAS THE AUTHORITY, HOO, SHOULD ROAD IS WITHIN THE, WITHIN DUBLIN, THEY'D BE ABLE TO EXTEND THAT.
I ID SIX OR IT'S NOT YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY.
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SO HOARD ROAD ESSENTIALLY ACTS AS A BOUNDARY.I MEAN, IT'S NOT LITERALLY A BOUNDARY, BUT IT SEPARATES WHERE ON THE EAST SIDE IS INCORPORATED IN THE CITY AND ON THE WEST SIDE IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT.
IT'S NOT INCORPORATED IN THE CITY AND IT DOESN'T CURRENTLY REACH THE ID SIX DOESN'T CURRENTLY REACH THE EAST SIDE OF THAT OF HEAT OF CHER.
SO WITH THE, AND, AND TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THE SORT OF STAGE OF THE PROCESS THAT THIS IS IN, THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE ID SIX CODE AND THE BUFFERING STUDY, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE REZONING OF THE LAND THAT IS EAST OF HOARD ROAD AND WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND THEN EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND WEST OF COS GRAY ROAD THAT HAS BEEN VOTED ON BY THIS COMMISSION ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR.
AND THAT IS SITTING ON THE TABLE AT COUNCIL.
RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING IS WHERE THAT WAS IN STAGE.
UM, SO I GUESS I'D WANT TO DISCUSS WITH THE COMMITTEE WHERE EVERYONE'S OUT ON THE OBJECTIVE TESTING MEASURES AND SOME KIND OF ABILITY TO, TO KICK A POTENTIAL BUSINESS BACK TO BACK TO P AND Z FOR REVIEW.
IF, IF IT IS SOMETHING NEW OR SOMETHING THAT, AS WE MENTIONED, WE HADN'T CONSIDERED, HADN'T SEEN BEFORE, UM, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS ROLE AND FOR THIS BOARD TO SEE.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS.
I, MY, MY ISSUE WAS, UM, ACTUALLY I APPRECIATED SOME OF THE, UM, STAFF LANGUAGE MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU DID MAKE.
AND TO BE HONEST, I'M REALLY SORRY I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT BIOHAZARD WHEN I WAS HERE LAST TIME BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD'VE GIVEN STAFF A, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT BETTER.
AND SO IT WAS THE EXAMPLES OF THE BUSINESSES AND YOU GOT TO BIOTECHNOLOGY AND THE, THE WHAT IF THAT CAN COME ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND THE CODE IS SILENT ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT, THAT ACTUALLY BOTHERS ME.
SO IN, IN THAT PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD LOVE TO KICK IT BACK TO STAFF SO THAT THAT COULD BE MORE APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED IS KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.
UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU MADE TO FLEET PARKING, UM, THAT MIRRORS WHAT WE HAVE ELSEWHERE IN DUBLIN'S ZONING CODE AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, I APPRECIATE, UM, YOUR COMMENTS AND OUR, UM, AND THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN PUTTING INTO THIS.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY.
IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY MEETING WE HAVE, THERE'S ALWAYS ONE MORE THING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
AND HAVE WE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL? 'CAUSE I DO THINK THAT'S A BIG JOB OF OURS.
AND IF WE NEED TO MEET AND DISCUSS AND GO THROUGH ONE MORE TIME, I CAN SEE THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US THINK ABOUT, UH, THAT EXPERT PART.
UM, MR. ALEXANDER BROUGHT THAT UP LAST TIME, LIKE, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS? AND WE, I THINK THAT'S A VERY HARD THING.
AND SO THE EXPERTISE THAT THAT, UM, MAY NEEDS TO SIT ON THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, REGULARLY I THINK IS, UH, VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, WE'VE GOT THE, THE, THE LANDSCAPING DOWN AND THE BUFFERING AND SO FORTH.
NOW WE WANT TO REALLY CONSIDER, UM, WHAT'S HAPPENING INSIDE.
I DO SEE THAT YOU ALL DO THIS ON A REGULAR DAY BASIS.
I MEAN THIS, THIS PART, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UM, THAT HAPPENS REGULARLY.
AND I DO SEE NOW THAT THE AMENDMENTS THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD SEEM A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, LIKE YOU'VE ATTUNED IT TO US TO UNDERSTAND A BIT BETTER.
AND I DO FEEL, UH, THAT HAS, HAS MOVED US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT THAT, THAT'S WHERE I AM, UM, WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE STUDY, A LITTLE BIT MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT THINGS.
ARE WE UNDER ANY TIME RESTRICTIONS? HAS COUNSEL GIVEN US AN ORDER THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE? THEY'RE DELAYING THE, THE ORIGINAL ID SIX DIDN'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON IT OR ANYTHING WHEN THERE NO, THERE THERE'S NOT A ESTABLISHED TIME LIMIT.
THEN I WOULD ALSO BE IN FAVOR OF SEEING A MORE, SEEING WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, ESPECIALLY GARY'S THOUGHT OF ADDING MORE SPOTS WITH A STANDARD TO IT.
UM, OR NOT A STANDARD, BUT IT WAS THE, THE, THE, UM, CURRENT TESTING, THE CURRENT
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TESTING STANDARD OR SOMETHING WAS TO BE ADDED IN MORE PLACES.UM, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE POSTPONING THIS IN ORDER TO SEE THAT LANGUAGE.
THE BIOHAZARD LANGUAGE, UM, IS ALSO RINGS TRUE TO ME.
I DO APPRECIATE, AS I SAID BEFORE, ALL THE WORK THAT KATHY SAID, AS ALL OF US HAVE SAID, ALL THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY HAS PUT INTO THIS, THE STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY, UM, I'VE DEFINITELY SEEN IMPROVEMENTS.
I JUST NEED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE AGAIN.
I WAS GONNA SAY, IF WE GO THAT ROUTE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF CLEARLY LAY OUT YES, WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT CHANGES WE WANNA SEE.
WE DON'T WANNA SEND ANYONE ON A WILD GOOSE CHASE, BUT I DO THINK THERE ARE VALID CONCERNS.
SO WE, WE ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH THAT LIST.
AND SO I I GO BACK TO THE, THE, THE LANGUAGE ABOUT INTENT.
WHAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS DISTRICT AND ARE WE MEETING THE INTENT? AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S ANGST ABOUT GETTING TO VERY SPECIFIC THINGS.
I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL JUST, WE'LL KEEP GOING IN CIRCLES TO GET TO THE VERY SPECIFIC.
SO, UM, I THINK THE LAST MEETING, WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK.
UM, STAFF HAS HONED THAT DOWN.
AGAIN, UM, I'M HEARING WE CAME UP WITH THREE THINGS, UM, THAT MR. DALE, UM, CAPTURED.
I'M HEARING SOME OTHER THINGS AND I I WOULD BE OPEN TO ANOTHER ROUND
UM, BUT I, I'M REALLY WORRIED THAT THIS COULD JUST GO ON AND ON.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT LIST IS LIKE, IF WE CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, WE'RE SATISFIED.
WOULD YOU, WOULD THE COMMISSION SAY THAT
AND YET BECAUSE THE WIDENING OF COS GRAY AND, AND THE BUFFER SYSTEM, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE DEALING WITH HOW DO YOU DEFINE ID SIX, BUT THE BUFFERING SYSTEM IS SPECIFIC TO COS GRAY AND, AND I'M WONDERING THE WIDENING OF THAT WILL DOUBLE THE CAPACITY OF VEHICLES.
BUT I'M WONDERING IF THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE, BECAUSE FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, THOSE ELEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA OCCUR FURTHER BEYOND THIS AREA, FURTHER TO THE, TO THE NORTH MAY HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT.
AND I'M, I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST THINK SO, RIGHT? SO ALL OF THIS IS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN ABOUT WIDENING OF ROADS AND IT HAS WITS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO SHOULD BE NO SURPRISES ABOUT THAT.
AND THERE IS, WAS TRAFFIC STUDIES DONE AT THAT POINT TO VALIDATE THE NEED TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO, SO THOSE ELEMENTS WILL HAVE AS, HAVE, WILL HAVE AS BIG YEAH.
IF NOT BIGGER IMPACT THAN ANYTHING ON THIS SITE.
THERE'LL BE YEAH,
SO, UM, ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO, SO KEN, DO YOU AGREE? COME UP WITH A LIST AND WE'LL, WE'LL, SO YEAH, I, NO, I AGREE.
I I CAN'T BE, WE CAN'T KEEP NIBBLING AT IT.
SO SHOULD WE GO OVER WHAT, WHAT WE THINK WE HAVE AND THEN LET THEM CONFIRM? OR GREG, DO YOU, HAVE YOU HEARD THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AND DO YOU THINK YOU CAN ADD THAT TO THE, THE THREE WE'VE ALREADY HAD CREATED? WE HEARD A, I'M SORRY.
I'M NOT SURE OTHER THAN THE THREE, WHAT ADDITIONAL CHANGES THE COMMISSION WOULD BE ASKING FOR.
WELL, VICKY TALKED ABOUT BI, UH, BIO, UH, RIGHT HAZARDS.
SO WHAT I, WHAT MAYBE I CAN HIT THOSE THREE AGAIN AND LET'S SEE, SEE WHAT ELSE THERE IS.
SEE IF THERE'S A FOURTH OR A FIFTH.
SO THE, THE, THE FIRST ONE IS THE BIOHAZARDS.
IN OTHER WORDS, MAKE SURE THAT BIOHAZARDS IS ADDED TO THE LIST OF POTENTIAL HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT, IT DOESN'T FIT UNDER THE DEFINITION OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
AND SO IF WE'RE ALLOWING BIOTECHNOLOGY LABS, I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
RIGHT? AND I, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
AND THAT'S AN EASY EDITORIAL ADDITION ON THAT ONE.
I THINK THE SECOND IS THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE CURRENTLY ACCEPTABLE METHODS OF TESTING.
AND I THINK THE POINT WAS WELL TAKEN THAT IF WE SAY IT THERE, WHY DON'T WE SAY IT IN THE INTENT STATEMENT.
AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A VERY EASY EDITORIAL INSERTION IN THERE.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS TO MAKE IT ALSO CLEAR THAT THE CONTAINMENT AND DISPOSAL IS INCLUDED IN TERMS OF THE SITE OPERATIONS AND THE PROCESSES THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED.
AGAIN, I THINK A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UM, EDITORIAL CHANGE TO THAT.
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THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT I HAD AND I THINK THOSE ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD IS, OR FOURTH, I JUST WANTED TO REVISIT THE IDEA OF, UM, P AND Z, UH, HEARING BACK HOW THINGS ARE GOING, THE COMMUNICATION, IF THAT CAN BE LISTED, UM, IF WE THINK ABOUT EVERY SIX MONTHS OR JUST SOMETHING THAT THE WORDING IT, SO THERE WAS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING EXPERTS ON THE AVAILABLE TO THE A RT TO EVALUATE CASES AND THEN THAT MIGHT TIE INTO COMMUNICATIONS OR SOMETHING RELATED TO OUTCOMES OF THE A RT DECISIONS.IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT? YES.
AS WELL AS, UH, LOOKING ONLINE, UH, FOR, UH, A RT MAKING THAT, UM, EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT UM, THE CODES SAY.
YOU KNOW, LIKE IT, IT MIMICS, UH, THAT THEY ARE READING THE SAME.
SO LIKE, UH, THE MEETING TIMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
PROBABLY COHESIVENESS OF THOSE.
SO WHEN YOU GO ONLINE, YOU SEE A RT MEETING AND THEY LIST ALL THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND HERE IN THE CODE IT SAYS WHEN WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING, WE'LL HAVE A MEETING.
AND MAYBE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE QUITE A FEW MEETINGS.
WHAT, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THAT.
SO JENNY, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE A RT THAT WE CAN, UM, REFINE AND SOLIDIFY SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT? UM, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
'CAUSE A RT HAS A WEBSITE WITH AGENDAS AND LIKE THE EXACT SAME AS PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THAT, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THAT IS ALREADY THE SAME.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT MRS. HARDER'S INITIAL COMMENT WAS THE PERIODICALLY REPORTING TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT'S WHAT SHE'S ASKING ABOUT.
IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
UM, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING YES, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO SOLIDIFY THAT.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE ISSUE OF HAVING EX EXPERT? UM, SO WE WOULD, I MEAN WE ALREADY HAVE NOT, UH, A TECHNICAL EXPERT RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, BUT IN OTHER INSTANCES, WE DO HAVE OTHER CONSULTANTS THAT WE HAVE ON, I DUNNO WHAT THE RIGHT WORD IS RETAINER, I SUPPOSE, UM, TO HELP US WITH EXPERT REVIEW DEPENDING ON THE TOPIC.
SO, AND I THINK WE'VE SHARED THAT, THAT IF THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR THIS, WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO DO SO THAT'S ALREADY BUILT INTO THE PROCESS.
WE DON'T NEED TO REINVENT THAT, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEARER.
THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
YES, THAT'S BUILT INTO HOW WE ALREADY OPERATE.
AND JUST AS A REMINDER OR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THE, THE WID, YOU KNOW, ID 1, 2, 3 AND FOUR AS WELL AS THE A RT, OUR OPERATING ENTITIES OPERATING REGULATIONS NOW AND HAVE BEEN FOR 12, 15 YEARS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THESE CHANGES IN FRONT OF YOU ARE FOCUSED ON THIS ID SIX DISTRICT AND NOT ON REINVENTING THE PROCESS FOR WID AND THE WID DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN ONGOING SINCE THE 2010S.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO TWEAK ANY OF THAT BASED ON, I'M, AGAIN, I'M GOING BACK TO COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS, RIGHT? AS, AS A MATTER OF CODE LANGUAGE, I WOULD SAY NO AS A MATTER OF WHAT KIND OF UPDATES AND FREQUENCY YOU WANT AS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS TO GET IN YOUR COMMUNICATIONS FROM STAFF.
I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT YEP.
DAN, YOU HAD ANOTHER ONE? YEAH, JUST, I MEAN THE, THE FIRST THING I'D MENTION, WE DIDN'T REALLY DO KIND OF A STRAW PULL ON THIS.
THERE'S A LITTLE PUSHBACK TO THE IDEA THAT THERE'S ANY OBJECTIVE MEASURING OR EVEN MAYBE ANY SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION WOULD WANNA FLAG AS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF AUTOMATICALLY GETS KICKED TO A CONDITIONAL USE? SO WOULD YOU WANNA SAY IF THERE'S BIOHAZARD TESTS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE WANNA PUT PARAMETERS AROUND AND KEEP AS A CONDITIONAL USE? THE CHALLENGE WAS THAT IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MIGHT BE COMING AT US.
SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU CREATE LANGUAGE AROUND THAT? SURE.
SO I MEAN, YOU COULD SAY THAT IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN INDUSTRY, YOU COULD HAVE THAT AS A CONDITIONAL USE RATHER THAN AS THE PERMITTED USE.
DO WE WANNA SEPARATE ANY SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES? I WOULDN'T KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN
SORRY IF I COULD INTERJECT TOO.
SO WE TALKED AT THE LAST MEETING TOO, THAT THE, UM, WOOD CODE ALREADY HAS MANUFACTURING AND ASSEMBLY AND THAT'S PRETTY BROAD AND ADVANCED MANUFACTURING IS NARROWING THAT EVEN FURTHER FROM
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THAT.SO I THINK WE'RE ALREADY TRYING TO GET AT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
UM, MR. GARVIN, AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS GOOD FOR US TO GO BACK AGAIN TO BUILDING STANDARDS IN WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP AND UNDERSTAND YOUR DESIRE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE TESTING AND THRESHOLDS AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT EITHER THEY RECOMMEND OR, AGAIN, I THINK CODIFYING THAT, AND WE TALKED THAT ABOUT THAT LAST TIME, RIGHT? YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A NUMBER.
WELL IF WHAT SOMEBODY COMES IN AT IT'S FI SO LET'S SAY IT'S 50 AND SOMEBODY COMES IN AT 49.9 WHILE WE REALLY MEETING THE INTENT LIKE THAT, THERE'S A WAY TO GET AROUND THAT.
SO AGAIN, OUR GOAL WAS TO TRY TO PROVIDE THESE REALLY, REALLY, UM, DETAILED STANDARDS TO HELP NARROW THAT DOWN.
I MEAN, I, I GET EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, UM, BUT OUR GOAL WAS TO TRY TO YEAH.
MAKE IT, AND AGAIN, HOW APPRECIATE THAT, HOW TO BEGIN THAT, RIGHT? I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING YOU COULD CHANGE UNDER CHANGING CONDITIONS DOWN THE ROAD.
SO I DIDN'T WANNA BE TOO VAGUE JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AWARE OF MM-HMM
WHAT WOULD BE A HAZARDOUS LEVEL.
BUT I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SOMEBODY HAS STUDIED IT AND SOMEBODY HAS SUGGESTED THAT THERE IS SOME LIMIT OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAT SHOULDN'T BE EXPOSED IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
I'M GUESSING THAT THAT'S PART OF THIS REVIEW PROCESS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT KIND OF WRITTEN OBJECTIVELY.
WELL IT ISN'T THE INTENT, WHICH IS TO MINIMIZE.
SO THAT IS, IS THAT IN THE INTENT NOW OR IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING? IT'S NO, THIS IS IN THE, THE INTENT NOW.
SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT, THERE'S LIKE, I DUNNO, 10 THINGS THAT IT LISTS THE INTENT OF THIS DISTRICT AND IT SAYS MINIMIZE ADVERSE IMPACTS TO ME THAT WOULD, AND GARY HAD MENTIONED ONE OF OUR CHANGES, ARE YOU STILL ON BOARD WITH MOVING THE TESTING TO THAT INTENT STAGE OR WAS THAT ONE OF THE CHANGES WE DISCUSSED? YEAH, YEAH.
YEAH, I, SO GARY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION LIKE THAT STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS HAVE THAT THEY COULD CRAFT, THEY COULD TWEAK WHAT WE HAVE AND THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER MEETING.
OR DOES THE COMMISSION WANT TO COME BACK AND REVIEW THAT FINAL DRAFT? I THINK THE STAFF DID A GREAT JOB OF TAKING THE COMMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING.
I MEAN THIS, IT, IT REALLY ADDRESSED EVERYTHING THAT WE, WE DISCUSSED.
SO PERSONALLY I WOULD BE COMF COMFORTABLE WITH THE STAFF DOING IT AND YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S OBJECTIONS AND THEY SHOW UP AT THE COUNCIL WHEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO REACT.
BUT THEY DID AN EX, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AN EXCELLENT JOB IN TWO WEEKS REVISING THIS.
SO ARE WE DOWN TO THE BACK, DOWN TO THE, THE THREE, RIGHT? THE, THE LIST I HAVE IS TO ADDRESS, UM, THE BIOHAZARDS OR ABSENCE OF BIOHAZARDS IN THE INTENT OR ADDRESS BIO, THE CREATION OF BIOHAZARDS IN THE, UM, INTENT LANGUAGE TO ADD THE TESTING COMPONENT TO THE INTENT LANGUAGE AND CONTAINMENT AND DISPOSAL ALSO, IS THAT ALSO IN THE INTENT LANGUAGE? AND IF I COULD AND THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE, UM, CURRENTLY ACCEPTABLE METHODS OF TESTING THAT MR. ALEXANDER HAD EXPRESSED A CONCERN ABOUT.
IN OTHER WORDS, JUST ADD THAT LANGUAGE THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE IN ANOTHER PLACE IN THE INTENT STATEMENT.
THIS MAY SOUND CRAZY, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PUT CONDITIONS ON THINGS, WE USUALLY PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN AND WE WRITE THEM OUT, RIGHT? YEAH.
TO COULD WE DO THAT TONIGHT? NEED IF WE'RE ON THAT TRACK, THEN WE SHOULD WELL YEAH, THAT'S, GO AHEAD.
AND KATHY HAS ANOTHER, UM, I WAS ALSO GONNA MENTION, UH, HEARING ABOUT QUALITY CONTROL AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, MENTIONED IN THAT.
YEAH, I THINK ADDING BACK THAT QUALITY CONTROL IS AN EASY AD.
UM, WE WERE TRYING TO SIMPLIFY, BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ADD THAT BACK.
AND THEN JUST ON A SMALL NOTE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, ABOUT LIGHTING AND THE TIMING, IT SAYS 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, CAN THAT BE MOVED TO EIGHT O'CLOCK AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS NOT TURNING 'EM OFF, YOU'RE DIMMING THEM.
UM, IS THAT ANYTHING? IT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH AN OPERAT OPERATIONS OF SOME POLICE MAY GO TO 10 O'CLOCK OR THEY MIGHT NEED SAFETY LIGHTING FOR SAFETY IF IT'S ALL INSIDE AND IT'S JUST WALKING OUTSIDE TO GO TO THEIR CARS.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE WELL THAT, YEAH, THAT'S TYPICALLY A SAFETY ISSUE,
SO PART OF THE A RT PROCESS IS THAT IS NOT JUST APPLICABLE TO THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT.
UM, IT IS APPLICABLE TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT DISTRICTS IN THE CITY.
SO MAKING BROAD SWEEPING CHAIN, WE CAN LOOK AT THESE THINGS ABSOLUTELY.
BUT MAKING BROAD SWEEPING CHANGES IS GONNA IMPACT MORE THAN
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JUST ID SIX.IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA IMPACT SEVERAL AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE WE DON'T HAVE, UH, ISSUES TODAY.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE ARE OTHER AREAS AROUND THE CITY THAT GO TO 10 O'CLOCK, UM, THAT ARE NEAR NEIGHBORHOODS.
IS THIS LIKE A CITYWIDE CODE, ZACH, AROUND LIGHTING AND, AND HOURS OF LIGHTING AND GET THE WHOLE TEAM UP HERE,
SO THAT EXISTING REGULATION IS IN THE CODE FOR PARKING.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY TIME IT APPLIES CITYWIDE.
UM, IN THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE, WE DID REMOVE THAT 150 PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
SO IT IS ALL PARKING LOTS WITHIN THE ID SIX DISTRICT.
WE HAVE TO DIM LIGHTS BY 50% IN THOSE PARKING LOT AREAS BY 10:00 PM SO THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE AREAS WALKING UP TO THE BUILDING FOR SAFETY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF EDITORS AT THE DAES
IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD SOLIDIFY THE LIST, ARE WE HAPPY TO, UM, APPROVE WITH CONDITION OR, UM, FOR, FOR ME, JUST WITH OPENNESS OF THE PUBLIC, I THINK IT'S NICE IF IT CAME BACK HERE, TO BE HONEST.
I, AS I SAID BEFORE, I HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW BECAUSE THERE, THERE WILL BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO REVIEW THIS IN ANOTHER FORUM TO REVIEW THIS WITH THE ACTUAL DECISION MAKERS WITH THAT, YES.
SO WE'RE WE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION? WE ARE NOT THE DECISION MAKERS, SO, UM, I, I'M COMFORTABLE HAVING STAFF MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS AND THEN NOT COMING BACK TO US UNLESS COUNCIL SENDS IT BACK.
IF FOR SOME REASON COUNCIL WOULD SEND IT BACK.
DAN, I WAS INTERESTED IN SEEING THEM JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY KIND OF MEET OUR INTENT.
UH, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE WE HAVE SOME EDITORS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, SO IF WE'RE GONNA SEE IT RIGHT NOW, I'M, IT WAS A STRAW POLL, SO YEAH, LET'S, I WAS WAITING TO SEE WHAT, YEAH, NO, IF WE'RE GONNA SEE IT RIGHT NOW, WHICH I THINK THEY ARE, THEN YEAH, I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING IT ONTO COUNCIL AND IF IT'S UP ON THE SCREEN, EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM CAN SEE WHAT THE THINGS THAT WE YEAH, WELL, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING IT ON AND I'M FOR, FOR VOTING.
SO WHO, SO THAT WAS 1, 2, 3 HITS A TIE.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, YEAH, THIS IS SIMILAR TO OTHER APPLICATIONS, CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD APPLY IF THERE WERE TO BE A VOTE.
UM, TRUTHFULLY, BASED ON WHAT HAS BEEN SHARED TONIGHT, A LOT OF THESE CHANGES ARE PRETTY QUICK AND SHOULDN'T CHANGE TOO MUCH FOR US.
UM, SO I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT AS WELL, BASED ON WHAT HAS BEEN SHARED, WHAT'S BEEN AGREED UPON FROM THE COMMISSION.
UM, ALSO, IF THIS COMES BACK, I GUESS I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT IS, WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IF THIS DOES COME BACK FOR THESE THREE THINGS? BECAUSE IF THESE THREE THINGS ARE MET, THAT IS POTENTIALLY SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE AS WELL, BECAUSE THE CONDITIONS WOULD GO TO THEM AND THEY WOULD SEE THESE UPDATES AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE JUST TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT.
THINKING ABOUT THIS COMING BACK.
AND WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT MR. SHILL SAID, UM, I THOUGHT THAT, THAT I'M HAVING AS WE'RE WORKING ON CONDITIONS, IS IF WE COULD TAKE A FIVE TO 10 MINUTE RECESS AND THEN WE COULD PERHAPS ACTUALLY PUT LIKE, LANGUAGE IN THAT INTENT SECTION THAT I'VE BEEN SCRATCHING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SCRATCHING IT OUT HERE DURING THIS DISCUSSION, IF THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
SO DO I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A RECESS? UH, YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE THE CHAIR.
SO
IS THAT ENOUGH? LET'S MAKE IT 10.
LET'S MAKE IT COME BACK AT EIGHT 50.
LET, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA RECESS FOR 10 MINUTES.
ARE WE READY TO READ ADJOURN? AND, UH, I THINK YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE WITH US.
YOU TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON, PLEASE.
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I CAN WALK THROUGH IT.SO, UH, WITH MR. DALE, MR. HOUNSELL, MRS. ROUSH AND MYSELF, WE PUT TOGETHER, UM, THE LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF YOU.
THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTS INDICATE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE COMING INTO TONIGHT.
THE BLUE TEXT INDICATE ADDITIONS THAT WE MADE DURING THE RECESS.
AND SO THIS WOULD BE A CONDITION ONE TO ADD THAT USES WITHIN THE ID SIX DISTRICT DO NOT INCLUDE THE USE STORAGE, PRODUCTION OR EMISSION OF BIOHAZARD MATERIALS.
DO WE NEED TO ADD THAT TO THE DEFINITION AS WELL? A DEFINITION FOR BIOHAZARD MATERIALS? NO, FOR THE ADVANCED, WHATEVER IT IS, ADVANCED MANUFACTURING.
SO THIS WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO ALL USES IN THE DISTRICT BECAUSE IT'S UNDER THE INTENT AND THE WAY WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW THEY'RE MEETING THE INTENT AS WELL AS THE DEFINITION.
WE WOULDN'T NEED TO EXPLICITLY STATE IT.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST, UH, COMPONENT WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE BIOHAZARD CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED.
AND THEN AT THE, TOWARD THE BOTTOM, THAT BLUE TEXT, UM, IS ATTEMPTING TO ADDRESS THE CONTAINMENT AND DISPOSAL CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED.
SO LAND USES ARE EXPECTED TO BE OF LOWER INTENSITY AND SCALE SHOULD NOT RESULT IN ADVERSE IMPACTS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL EMISSIONS.
THEN WE GET TO OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO IMPACTS OCCURRING IN CONTAINMENT OR DISPOSAL OF ANY MINIMIZED WASTE, HAZARDOUS INPUTS OR HAZARDOUS BYPRODUCTS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO REFER BACK TO SAY, YES, THESE WASTES HAZARDOUS INPUTS AND HAZARDOUS BYPRODUCTS ARE TO BE MINIMIZED.
AND THEN HAVING MINIMIZED THEM, THEY CAN'T HAVE THESE, UM, OR THEY SHOULD NOT RESULT IN ADVERSE IMPACT IN ANY FORM OR FUNCTION.
IS IT, AND, AND I APPRECIATE ADDRESSING IT.
UM, I WAS JUST LOOKING WHAT A DEFINITION OF BIOHAZARD MATERIALS ARE.
I'M WONDERING IF IT IS POTENTIALLY TOO BROAD WHERE IT MEANS THAT NO, 'CAUSE IT WAS SAYING LIKE SYRINGES, UM, YOU KNOW, SCALPELS SLIDES WOULD BE CONSIDERED BIOHAZARD MATERIALS THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE ACTUAL LABS STILL EXIST.
YOU DO SEE, I MEAN, UM, YOU DO SEE THOSE IN RESTROOMS AND THINGS OF THAT.
THE, AND THAT WOULD NOT, MY THOUGHT MAYBE IS, IS WASTE, BIOHAZARDOUS WASTE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REACHES EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE YEAH, THAT'S SUCH A, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I SAID I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS HELPFUL TO THIS COME BACK BECAUSE BIOHAZARD IS GONNA BE ANYTHING THAT HAS ORGANIC MATERIAL ASSOCIATED WITH THIS THAT CAN BE, BE HAZARDOUS IN SOME WAY.
SO THAT CAN BE BLOOD CONTACT, IT CAN BE INFECTIOUS, INFECTIOUS WAYS FROM EXPERIMENTS.
AND I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT THIS MAY PRECLUDE THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE IN ID SIX.
AND I HATE THAT THIS PROCESS IS SO TEDIOUS, BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS KIND OF THE CONCERN.
I, I KNOW WE'RE, WE DON'T WANT TO EXTEND THIS.
WE'RE KIND OF DOING THIS ON THE FLY, BUT I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE DEFINITIONS ARE THE, IT DOESN'T SAY IT, IT SAYS THAT WILL MINIMIZE EMISSION OF BIOHAZARD MATERIALS.
THAT THAT'S I THINK THE CORRECT INTERPRETATION IN READING IT DOES NOT ELIMINATE.
SO IT SAYS THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MINIMIZING ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
WELL, IT SAYS DO NOT INCLUDE, IT DOES MINI, I MEAN IT DOES PROHIBIT IT.
DO, DO NOT USE, INCLUDE THE USE THAT DO NOT INCLUDE THE USE.
SO IS IS THE DESIRE TO SAY DO NOT, I'LL PUT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO THE COMMISSION.
IS THE DESIRE TO SAY DO NOT INCLUDE BIOHAZARD MATERIALS, WHICH AS MR. GARVIN SAYS, CAN BE VERY BROADLY DEFINED.
IS THE DESIRE TO SAY MINIMIZE? UM, AND THEN THE THIRD QUESTION
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IS, IF WE ANSWER THAT, DO NOT INCLUDE OR MINIMIZE QUESTION, THERE'S STILL THE OPPORTUNITY IF THIS WERE TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR FURTHER REFINEMENT BETWEEN FIRST, FIRST READING AND SECOND READING TO PROVIDE MORE, UM, LIMITING DEFINITION TO BIOHAZARD MATERIALS AT THAT STAGE.I, SO I'D SAY MINIMIZE AND THEN PROPERLY DISPOSE WOULD BE THE, YEAH, BECAUSE I, I, I'VE GOTTA BELIEVE THAT THERE'S GOING THESE USES THERE WOULD PRODUCE BIOHAZARD.
YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S HANDLED PROPERLY.
WHICH, WHICH I THINK THERE'S ALL SORTS OF REGULATION AROUND THAT ANYWAY, SO MM-HMM
AND THEN YOU WOULD ADD THE BIOHAZARD MATERIALS TO THAT LAST CLAUSE.
I'M ALSO SEEING THERE'S FOUR RISK LEVELS FOR BIOHAZARDS.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO PUT IN THAT RANGE? THE BSL FOUR IS DANGEROUS LIFE-THREATENING AGENTS WITH NO KNOWN TREATMENTS,
IS THERE SOMEWHERE ON THAT SCALE WE WANNA IDENTIFY? I I I THINK THAT'S GETTING PRETTY RISKY.
I, AND I THINK THAT WITH THIS BEING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL THAT WOULD HAVE TWO READINGS AT AT LEAST WE CAN, I THINK HAVING THIS DIRECTION FOR THE CONVERSATION THERE WILL HELP THAT BE EVEN MORE TIGHTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED THERE.
AND AS A SUGGESTION THEN MM-HMM
SO ADDING BIOHAZARD, EXCUSE ME, TO THAT SECOND BLUE STATEMENT IN TERMS OF THE, THE BYPRODUCTS, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE MINIMIZES THE USE IS THERE NEST THERE? I'M GONNA BE LIMP DISPOSAL, BUT IT DOES HAVE MINIMIZED USE.
ARE YOU READY TO SEE THE NEXT SECTION? YES, THAT'S FINE.
I'M, IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT LANGUAGE? I AM, YES.
AND SO THIS IS, I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT INCLUDING THE ACCEPTABLE METHODS OF TESTING IN THE INTENT PARAGRAPH AS WELL, BUT IN THINKING MORE ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF THE ID SIX, THIS WOULD CHANGE, UM, THIS DIVISION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION SECTION.
SO THAT, UM, IN ADDITION TO SAYING SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO DEMONSTRATE THE PROPOSED USE MEETS THE INTENT FOLLOWS UP WITH TWO DATA USING CURRENTLY ACCEPTABLE METHODS OF TESTING THAT THE USE DOES NOT CREATE ANY MEASURABLE INCREASE OF HAZARDOUS EMISSIONS TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
SO THAT MIRRORS THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS, UH, THAT APPEARED ELSEWHERE IN THE CODE.
AND SO THEN AS SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION, THEY HAVE TO BRING THE GOODS.
VICKY, YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY.
YEAH, I ACTUALLY LIKE ANY MEASURABLE IN INCREASE, I, I, I LIKE THE USE OF THAT LANGUAGE.
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NEXT.I, I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO CONDITIONS.
OH, I THINK GOT WRAPPED IT BECAUSE TWO OF THE THREE POINTS THAT WERE DISCUSSED WERE WRAPPED INTO THE INTENT SECTION.
SO COMMISSION, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CALL A VOTE? WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO CALL A VOTE.
I'M JUST GETTING STRAW POLL AGAIN.
UM, I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO RECOMMEND A CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE PROS, WI CODE, AMENDMENTS AND SETBACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL WITH TWO CONDITIONS.
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COMMUNICATIONS? JUST TWO QUICK REMINDERS, WHICH I RAISED AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT THE FIRST IS, UM, JUNE 8TH IS THE RECEPTION FOR REAPPOINTED AND NEW MEMBERS.THAT'S HAPPENING PRIOR TO THE COUNCIL MEETING.
YEAH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE NEW, A COUPLE MEMBERS.
UM, SO THAT, SO, AND AGAIN, JUST TO SUPPORT ALL OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UM, THAT'S HAPPENING AHEAD OF THAT COUNCIL MEETING.
AND THEN THE JOINT WORK SESSION, UM, THAT WE MENTIONED RELATED TO WESTBRIDGE STREET AND THE CODE AUDIT THAT IS JUNE 15TH.
UM, SO THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE BOARD PACK OR ON FOR THAT.
UM, AND WE'VE SHARED THE, UM, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE, THE WESTBRIDGE STREET TOPIC IS RELATED TO, UM, THE WALKABILITY PRESENTATION THAT JEFF SPECK DID.
SO YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THAT, BUT WE'LL INCLUDE THAT AS IT GETS CLOSER TO THE TIME.
JUST SO YOU HAVE THAT BACKGROUND AS WELL DISCUSS AND WE SHOULD REVIEW THAT IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS.
THEY'LL PACKET MATERIALS AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, DELIVERED THROUGH ONBOARD AS WELL, SO, ALRIGHT.