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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S WEBSITE.
PLEASE JOIN ME NOW FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PLEDGE, FLEX OF LI TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
MS. MAXWELL, WILL YOU TAKE THE ROLE, PLEASE? MR. ALEXANDER? HERE.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES ]
NOW LIKE TO ACCEPT DOCUMENTS AND FOR, AND APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS.I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 9TH AND APRIL SIX 16TH.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATTING OF PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
OUR PROCEDURES TONIGHT, UM, THE, THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR, UH, AN UPDATE FROM STAFF AND CONSULTANTS ON A PENDING CODE AMENDMENT AS WELL AS THE WEST DISTRICT INNOVATION, SETBACK, AND BUFFER STUDY.
THERE WILL BE NO DETERMINATION MADE.
PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE ACCEPTED.
ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
PLEASE ENSURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON THE ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD TO ALLOW ALL A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
REFRAIN FROM REPEATING INFORMATION PLEASE.
THE COMMISSION HAS RECEIVED ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS.
I'D FORGET HOW MANY THERE ARE, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF COMMENTS AND SO WE HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO, TO REVEAL ALL OF THOSE.
UH, FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SIDE CONVERSATIONS, APPLAUSE, OR OTHER AUDIBLE REACTION TO PUBLIC COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS OF COMMISSIONERS, STAFF OR APPLICANTS.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID ON THE RECORD AND THAT ALL HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
THIS PROTECTS THE PROCESS, WHICH IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CONCERNED.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN WITNESSES FOR THE EVENING.
ANYONE INTENDING THE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASE MUST BE SWORN IN.
PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND IF YOU WISH TO TESTIFY TONIGHT AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TO THIS, THIS STATEMENT.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU ALL.
[Case #26-001ADMC]
CASE AND ONLY CASE IS CASE NUMBER 26 0 0 1 A DMC WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, ADMINISTRATIVE REQUEST CODE AMENDMENT, DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK FOR CODE AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN.ZONING CODE SECTIONS 1 5 3 0.0 0 2 1 5, 3 0.016 AND 1 5 3 0.0 3 7 5 3 0 4 2 FOR THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT AND THEN ALSO FOR THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT SETBACK AND BUFFER STUDY, AN UPDATE ON THE SETBACK AND BUFFER STUDY AS IT RELATES TO THE ID SIX DISTRICT IMPLEMENTATION.
SO AT THIS POINT I'M TURNING TO STAFF FOR PRESENTATION.
UM, I'M HERE WITH OUR TEAM OF CONSULTANTS, UM, WHO ARE WILL HELP, UM, THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.
I'LL GIVE A LITTLE INTRO HERE AND THEN LET THEM EACH SHARE, UM, THEIR, THEIR PARTS, UM, AS WELL RELATED TO THE AGENDA ITEM.
SO, UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, THIS IS AN INTRODUCTION OF THIS DRAFT AMENDMENT AND THE BUFFER STUDY.
SO AS AGAIN, TO REITERATE, NO DETERMINATIONS BEING MADE TONIGHT, OUR GOAL IS TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION, HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT, HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION.
UM, OUR GOAL, DEPENDING ON THE CONVERSATION AND WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK IS TONIGHT, WOULD BE TO BRING THIS BACK TO YOU ALL.
UM, IF YOU'RE FEELING COMFORTABLE AT THAT NEXT MAY 21ST MEETING, FOR YOU TO, UM, BE IN A POSITION TO RECOMMEND, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO
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CITY COUNCIL.SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, IF THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON ALL THE INPUT, UM, AND INFORMATION FROM FROM STAFF AND THE PUBLIC THAT YOU WANT US TO MAKE, PLEASE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SHARE THAT SO WE CAN, UM, WORK TOWARDS THAT GOAL.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF BACKGROUND, UM, WHICH WE OUTLINED IN GREAT DETAIL IN YOUR MEMO, AND THEN ALSO WHEN WE WERE BEFORE THE COMMISSION IN JANUARY, UM, THIS PROCESS REALLY STARTED AS A RESULT OF, UM, A PREVIOUS ZONING APPLICATION, UM, WHICH WAS SEEN BY THE COMMISSION IN FEBRUARY, UM, OF 2025.
SO A LITTLE BIT OVER A YEAR AGO.
UM, AND AS PART OF THAT PROCESS THERE, THIS, UH, THAT REZONING APPLICATION WAS TABLED AT CITY COUNCIL IN AUGUST OF 25, UM, TO ALLOW STAFF TO DEVELOP THESE TARGETED ZONING AMENDMENTS, UM, REALLY TO ADDRESS THOSE COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS.
SO COUNCIL DIRECTED US THEN TO WORK TOWARDS THE CREATION OF, UM, THESE AMENDMENTS, UM, AND THAT PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS TO THEN BRING THIS FORWARD.
SO WE DID CREATE A NEW DISTRICT, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT IS, UM, IN ID SIX.
SO THAT WILL BE WITHIN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, UM, CODE.
AND THAT REALLY, AGAIN, IS TO HELP PROVIDE THAT TRANSITION FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, BUT MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS A TRANSITION TO THOSE EXISTING, UM, RESIDENTIAL USES, PARTICULARLY THAT ACROSS COS GRAY, UM, ROAD IN THE VALLEY TRAIN NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO AGAIN, TONIGHT IS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE REZONING THAT'LL BE TAKEN UP, UM, AT A FUTURE MEETING.
AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE SCHEDULE, THAT COULD BE, UM, THE JULY 1ST MEETING.
BUT AGAIN, WE WANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND ON THE CODE, UM, TONIGHT.
SO IN TERMS OF THE DISCUSSION FOR TONIGHT, WE'RE GONNA PRESENT AND SHARE INFORMATION AND WANT YOUR FEEDBACK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CONTENTS OF THE DRAFT CODE, UM, AND THEN ABOUT THE BUFFER STUDY, UM, AGAIN, THAT YOU'LL HEAR FROM THE CONSULTANTS HERE IN A SECOND.
AND THEN ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT FOR US TO MAKE, UM, TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY, LIKE I MENTIONED, OUR GOAL WOULD BE FOR YOU ALL TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD BE FORWARDED TO COUNCIL AND THERE'S TWO READINGS OF THAT AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL.
SO THIS WILL CONTINUE TO BE A PUBLIC PROCESS TILL THAT COMES BEFORE THEM, UM, FOR A VOTE.
SO BACK IN, UM, AUGUST WHEN THAT REZONING ORDINANCE WAS TABLED, UM, WE WERE, AS I MENTIONED, DIRECTED BY COUNCIL TO, TO DEVELOP A, UM, A ZONING STRATEGY FOR THIS.
SO WE WEIGHED SEVERAL OPTIONS AND ULTIMATELY LANDED ON THE CREATION OF ID SIX.
UM, BUT THAT I'M SHOWING THE FUTURE LAND USE BECAUSE WE, THAT REALLY STEMMED FROM THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS FOR FLEX INNOVATION, WHICH IS CLOSE TO ID TWO.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CODE, THE DRAFT CODE THAT'S BEFORE YOU, THAT WAS THE BASE.
UM, AND THEN WE REFINED THAT SECTION OF THE CODE, UM, TO ALIGN WITH THE CONCERNS AND COMMENTS THAT WERE HEARD FROM BOTH, UM, RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, SIDE AND PROPERTY OWNER PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.
BUT AGAIN, THAT INNOVATION DISTRICT, UM, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO ID TWO IS WHERE, WHERE WE STARTED FROM.
UM, AND AGAIN, REALLY IMPORTANT PIECES TO HIGHLIGHT HERE WITHIN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, PARTICULARLY ALONG THAT COS GRAY ROAD FRONTAGE, WHICH YOU'LL SEE, UM, INCLUDED IN THE CODE IN TERMS OF SETBACKS, UM, BUT ALSO THE BUFFERING AND SCREENING PIECE OF THAT THAT'S REALLY REFLECTIVE OF THE DIRECTION, UM, THAT WE TOOK FROM THAT REALLY TO HIGHLIGHT AND ALIGN WITH THE AREA PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN UPDATED SINCE THE JANUARY MEETING, BUT WE HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON THIS, UM, EARLY IN THE LAST YEAR, UM, IN THE SUMMERTIME AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THAT REZONING PROCESS.
BUT THEN AS WE'VE MOVED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CODE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE BALANCE TRAY, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE, UM, THAT, THAT WAS THE GROUP THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING MOST CLOSELY WITH, UM, AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE, OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE NUMBER OF ENGAGEMENTS AND CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE LARGER COMMUNITY, BUT THEN ALSO, UM, WITH THOSE PARTICULAR, UM, STAKEHOLDERS AS WELL AS, AS I MENTIONED AND AS OUTLINED IN YOUR REPORT WITH, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THIS AREA, BUT THEN ALSO OTHER DEVELOPMENT, UM, PROFESSIONALS THAT WORK IN THIS SPACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CODE AS IT'S BEING PROPOSED, WILL THAT ACTUALLY, UM, RESULT INTO PROJECTS THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THE MARKET WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF THE FEEDBACK, WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS AND INTRODUCED THE IDEA OF THE ROADMAP IN JANUARY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, THERE WAS GENERAL SUPPORT FROM THE COMMISSION, UM, PARTICULARLY RECOGNIZING HOW RESPONSIVE WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BE IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE MOVING RELATED TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, PARTICULARLY
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AS IT RELATES TO THE INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT BUILDING HEIGHTS SCALE, AND HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT THOSE TRANSITION, UM, AND PROVIDE THAT SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMPATIBLE.UM, SOME ADDITIONAL REQUESTS FROM THE COMMISSION, UM, ABOUT THE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING DEFINITION.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT REFLECTED THAT WE HAVE MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO HELP, UM, PROVIDE MORE FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION IN TERMS OF WHAT KINDS OF USES COULD BE, UM, PERMITTED WITHIN THAT.
THE SETBACK AND BUFFERING PIECE, AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE CONTINUED TO WORK WITH MKSK ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THAT, UM, THE COMMISSION PROVIDED AS PART OF THAT PARTICULAR RELATED TO THE BUFFER AND HOW THAT GETS PLANTED.
AND THE TREE, UM, THE DETAILS RELATED TO THE PLANTINGS.
UM, WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION SUPPORT FOR THAT, UM, REDUCTION IN BUILDING HEIGHT FROM WHAT WAS THE 68 FEET TO 45.
AND THEN WE FURTHER, UM, CLARIFIED THAT THAT ALSO HAS TO INCLUDE SCREENING OF MECHANICALS.
UM, SO WE'VE, YOU'LL HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AS WELL, BUT REALLY MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING INSIDE THE BUILDING.
AND THEN, UM, CONCERNS AND COMMENTS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND THE OPERATIONAL DETAILS.
WE HAVE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO THE INTENT SECTION OF THAT.
UM, THAT REALLY GETS TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUR GOAL FOR THIS OVERALL DISTRICT.
SO THAT COUPLED WITH THE OTHER PIECES IN THE CODE, UM, IS LOOKING AT HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE.
AND THEN WANTED TO ALSO THEN PROVIDE, UM, A SUMMARY OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS BUT THEN ALSO FROM THE RESIDENTS.
SO THIS FIRST SLIDE IS LOOKING AT WHEN WE MET WITH THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS AND, UM, DEVELOPMENT STAKEHOLDERS, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AS I MENTIONED, IS THIS, CAN THERE BE A PROJECT BUILT HERE WITH THE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED? UM, AND THEY PROVIDED A LOT OF FEEDBACK TO US ABOUT UNDERSTANDING AND WANTING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF, YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, UM, IF THEY'RE GONNA DEVELOP THIS, THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE USES AND, AND THE BUILDING HEIGHTS AND ALL OF THOSE, CLARIFYING THAT EVERYTHING HAS TO HAPPEN IN THE BUILDINGS.
UM, REALLY WANTING TO MAINTAIN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT SERVICE USE, UM, THAT'S CURRENTLY PERMITTED.
SO WE ADDED SOME USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS TO THAT, BUT WANTING TO MAINTAIN THAT.
UM, THEY HAVE ALL ALONG EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUFFER AND THE SETBACK, UM, BECAUSE THAT ADDS TO THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS AND LIMITS THEIR BUILDABLE AREAS.
SO THERE HAS BEEN CONCERNS, UM, RAISED.
UM, AS PART OF THAT WE HAVE SHARED OBVIOUSLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDS, SO TRYING TO BALANCE THOSE PIECES, UM, OUT AS WELL.
AND THEN LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOW THAT LANDSCAPE DESIGN HAPPENS AND THEN WHERE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UM, CAN HAPPEN IN THAT AREA.
UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONCERN, AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU'VE RECEIVED SOME ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE ALSO PROVIDED ALL THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, JUST SO THAT YOU HAVE A SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD, UM, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
SO, UM, AGAIN, CONCERNS ABOUT THE UNCERTAINTY OF BUSINESSES AND WHAT USES WOULD BE PERMITTED TO BE THERE, UM, AND ADJACENCY TO RESIDENTIAL, WHAT'S THE MOST COMPATIBLE? SO REALLY LOOKING AT AS WE DRAFTED THIS, HOW DO WE SET FORTH RIGHT A, A SERIES OF USES THAT COULD BE PERMITTED BUT HAVE THOSE LIMITATIONS, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN ACTUALLY HAPPEN ON THE SITE.
UM, LOOKING AT HOW TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER THAT'S, UM, LIGHTING, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL SITE DEVELOPMENTS, LOOKING AT THE CODE, UM, AS WE'VE DEVELOPED THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, UM, WHICH WE'VE WORKED WITH, YOU KNOW, TALKED THROUGH WITH JEANIE, WE'RE FORWARDING A STUDY, UM, WE'RE WORKING, IT'S ACTUALLY BEGUN ABOUT WHAT'S THE FUTURE OF COS GRAY ROAD SO WE CAN HAVE A BETTER HANDLE ON THAT.
UM, THAT'S NOT REALLY RELATED TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, BUT AGAIN, THAT IS GERMANE TO THIS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AGAIN, SAME WITH UTILITY NEEDS AND IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE BUILDING HEIGHTS, AGAIN, REDUCING THAT, UM, DOWN AGAIN TRYING TO UM, BE MINDFUL OF THOSE, UM, CONCERNS AS WELL.
SO IN QUICK SUMMARY, UM, WE DID A ONE PAGE DOCUMENT THAT JUST TRIED TO SUMMARIZE AND THIS IS A LITTLE SNIPPET FROM THAT, WHICH I THINK REALLY HELPS BREAK DOWN, YOU KNOW, THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE TO DATE TO SUMMARIZE THE REALLY DETAILED WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE AND THE DRAFT CODE YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
BUT AGAIN, THE CREATION OF AN A NEW DISTRICT, UM, THAT REALLY LOOKS AT THAT LOW INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE ALSO, UM, PROPOSED AND THIS IS THE ONLY AMENDMENT THAT'S HAPPENING THROUGH TO THE ENTIRE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, BUT THAT'S THE REMOVAL OF DATA CENTERS AS A PERMITTED USE OR CONDITIONAL USE.
SO YOU, UM, SO THAT'S PROPOSED, UM, THE 200 FOOT BUFFER, UM, AND THOSE DETAILS ALSO NO STANDALONE WAREHOUSING, WHOLESALING OR DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES.
THAT ALSO WAS A CONCERN THAT WE HAVE HEARD.
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UM, SO THAT'S BEEN LIMITED OR ELIMINATED FROM THIS AS A STANDALONE USE, LOWERING THE BUILDING HEIGHTS, MAKING SURE THAT THE OPERATIONAL LIMITS ARE HAPPENING IN THE BUILDING AND THEN, UM, AGAIN, THOSE ADDITIONAL STANDARDS TO HELP MINIMIZE, UM, IMPACTS AND WHERE LOADING AND SERVICE AND ALL OF THOSE CAN BE THAT THOSE CANNOT BE ORIENTED TOWARDS COS GRAY ROAD.SO, SO THAT'S JUST THE GENERAL INTRODUCTION TO WHERE, TO WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.
AND THEN I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO GREG DALE WHO'S GONNA DO A LITTLE INTRO.
AND THEN KEEGAN WHITE IS GOING TO SHARE MORE DETAILED, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT THE SPECIFIC CODE AMENDMENTS AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE, THEY'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHRIS HERMAN AND KIMBERLY WARE FROM MKSK, WHO'VE DONE THE BUFFER STUDY.
SO YOU HEAR ALL OF THAT AND THEN WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION QUESTIONS AND I'LL JUMP UP HERE FOR THAT.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE TO, UH, PRESENT THE DRAFT REGULATIONS.
UH, MY NAME'S GREG DALE WITH MCBRIDE DALE CLARION.
I'VE JUST GOT THIS ONE SLIDE THAT I'M SPEAKING FROM BECAUSE KEEGAN'S GONNA DO THE BULK OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS.
ONE, I THINK IT IS HELPFUL TO, UH, STEP BACK AND FRAME WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN TERMS OF DRAFTING ZONING REGULATIONS WITHIN THE BROADER CONTEXT BECAUSE AS A LOT OF YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN AROUND DOUBLING FOR A LONG TIME AND I'VE BEEN AROUND PLANNING FOR A LONG TIME.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE UNDERSTAND IS THAT DUBLIN DOES THESE THINGS, RIGHT? UH, THIS IS A VERY METHODICAL PROCESS THAT STARTED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND, YOU HAVE THE BROAD IDEA WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THIS WORLD CLASS INNOVATION DISTRICT.
YOU HAVE THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN OF THE, OF THE, THE DETAIL THAT TAKES IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL THAT INCORPORATES EVERYTHING FROM TRAFFIC TO FISCAL TO INFRASTRUCTURE MODELING AND WAS A VERY CAREFULLY THOUGHT OUT PROCESS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT.
THEN YOU HAVE THE, THE WID IN INTEGRATED IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY, WHICH IS LOOKING AT ALL HOW ALL THESE MOVING PIECES COME TOGETHER AND ULTIMATELY IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, STAFF LEVEL WORK PROGRAMS FOR HOW TO ACCOMPLISH AND MAKE ALL THESE THINGS WORK TOGETHER.
AND THEN FINALLY IS A ZONING PIECE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND I JUST WANT FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ZONING DIDN'T JUST APPEAR.
THIS IS A RESULT OF A VERY METHODICAL SERIES OF STEPS AND I THINK IT'S, FRANKLY, IT'S, WE, WE, WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN ANY OF THOSE PREVIOUS STEPS.
SO I CAN SAY THIS, I THINK IT'S REALLY BEEN AN EXEMPLARY PROCESS FROM THE CITY TO, TO, TO FOLLOW.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S, EVERYBODY AGREES WITH EVERYTHING.
WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE, BUT I JUST WANNA PUT THE ZONING PIECE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THAT, WHICH I THINK IS, IS IMPORTANT.
SO YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM KEEGAN, UM, UH, IN JUST A MINUTE HERE.
I, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP A COUPLE OF THINGS IN MIND.
UM, AND THAT IS THAT THINK ABOUT HOW THESE PIECES FIT TOGETHER AND, AND NOT JUST ONE PARTICULAR SLICE OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS YOU'VE GOT, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT DEFINITIONS, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT INTENT STATEMENTS, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT USES, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT USE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
ALL THOSE THINGS WORK IN CONCERT WITH EACH OTHER.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ADMINISTERING THE ZONING CODE ARE USING IT IN THE FUTURE, ALL OF THOSE PIECES COME INTO PLAY.
SO IT'S KIND OF A PACKAGE OF, OF REGULATIONS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT TOGETHER.
AND THEN FINALLY ON THAT LAST BULLET THERE, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS AN ONGOING PROCESS.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE OPEN TO IDEAS.
WE'VE DONE THE BEST THAT WE CAN TO TRY TO BALANCE THINGS HERE, BALANCE THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE AND BALANCE THE NEEDS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN SET IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE HERE TO IMPLEMENT THOSE, THOSE POLICIES.
SO THERE IS A BALANCING THAT'S GOING ON HERE AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND, YOU GO FORWARD.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA ASK KEEGAN TO COME UP AND PRESENT THIS IN MORE DETAIL.
IT'S BROUGHT PROBABLY 15 MINUTES OR SO PRESENTATION THAT'LL TAKE YOU INTO ONE AT A TIME.
ALRIGHT, SORRY A LITTLE TALLER.
MY NAME IS KEEGAN STEAD WHITE.
I'VE BEEN HELPING THE CITY WITH THIS CODE UPDATE PROCESS AND FROM MY PART OF THE PRESENTATION I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE SPECIFICS FOR THE WID CODE UPDATE.
SO AS JENNY MENTIONED, THE ONLY DISTRICT-WIDE CHANGE IS PROPOSED IS REMOVAL OF DATA CENTERS FROM THE WID.
SO THIS IS BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF DATA CENTERS NOT FITTING IN WITH THE INTENDED CHARACTER OF THE WIT ITSELF.
SO WITH THE DISTRICT WIDE CHANGE OUT OF THE WAY, I'LL SPECIFICALLY TURN TO THE CHANGES FOR THE ID SIX RESEARCH TRANSITION DISTRICT.
SO ON YOUR SCREEN HERE IS THE PROPOSED INTENT STATEMENT FOR THE DISTRICT.
AND AS GREG SAID, THE INTENT STATEMENT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT CLEARLY STATES THE PURPOSE AND CHARACTER OF
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THE DISTRICT ITSELF.IN ADDITION, THE INTENT STATEMENT WILL HELP GUIDE HOW REGULATIONS ARE INTERPRETED AND HELP DECISION MAKERS IN EVALUATING PERMITTED CONDITIONAL AND ACCESSORY USES, WHILE ALSO PROVIDING A POLICY BASIS FOR REVIEWING APPLICATIONS.
SO THIS WILL BE USED IN TANDEM WITH THE DEFINITIONS AND THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS IN THE CODE WHEN REVIEWING APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN IN THE FUTURE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED SOME KEY TOPICS INVOLVED IN THIS USE STATE.
THIS INTENSE STATEMENT SUCH AS THE DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO SUPPORT CUTTING EDGE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FOSTERING INNOVATION, ADVANCING CUTTING EDGE RESEARCH, WHILE ALSO PROVIDING A SENSITIVE TRANSITION TO THE ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S AN EMPHASIS ON MINIMIZING ADVERSE IMPACTS, WHICH DO INCLUDE NOISE LIGHTING AND OTHER OFFSITE EFFECTS, WHILE ALSO ENCOURAGING ANY DEVELOPMENT IN THE DISTRICT TO INCORPORATE SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES THAT UTILIZE NON-TOXIC INPUTS TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE.
SO BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE USES THEMSELVES, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A BRIEF REMINDER ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PRINCIPAL USE AND AN ACCESSORY USE.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRINCIPLE USE, THAT IS THE PRIMARY USE FOR WHICH THE PROPERTY IS INTENDED AND OCCUPIED AND ACCESSORY USE, HOWEVER, IS SOMETHING THAT IS SECONDARY TO THAT PRINCIPLE USE AND CANNOT OPERATE ON ITS OWN WITHOUT A PRINCIPLE USE.
SO WITHIN THE ID SIX CONTEXT, THIS COULD BE INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS PARKING AREAS, BICYCLE PARKING, INTERNAL STORAGE, LOADING AREAS, OTHER, ANY OTHER SIMILAR SITE FEATURE WHICH WOULD SUPPORT THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF THE PRINCIPAL USE.
SO THESE ARE THE PROPOSED USES FOR THE ID SIX DISTRICT.
IN TOTAL THERE ARE SIX WHICH ARE OFFICE GENERAL AND MEDICAL PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, CONSTRUCTION AND CONTRACT SERVICES AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHILE THE ONES THAT ARE IN GRAY ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING IN THE CODE, THE ONLY NEW PROPOSED USE IS ADVANCED MANUFACTURING.
SO BASED ON COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM THE JANUARY MEETING, WE WENT AHEAD AND CREATED A NEW DEFINITION FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN.
HOWEVER, WHILE YOU'RE READING IT, I'M HAPPY TO HIT ON THE HIGHLIGHTS.
SO ESSENTIALLY THIS USE IS INDUSTRIAL IN NATURE AND IT'S DESIGNED TO MANU ENGAGE IN THE MANUFACTURING OF FINISHED PRODUCTS OR COMPONENT PARTS FROM PREVIOUSLY PREPARED MATERIALS.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS AN EXPECTATION THAT THERE WILL BE A HIGH LEVEL OF SPECIALIZED AND COMPANY SPECIFIC SKILL TRAINING WITH THIS USE AND THAT THE USE WILL OFTEN UTILIZE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES SUCH AS COMPUTER CONTROLLED SYSTEMS, ROBOTICS, AUTOMATION, OR OTHER INNOVATIVE METHODS TO IMPROVE PRODUCTS OR PROCESSES.
ADDITIONALLY, WITHIN THE DEFINITION ITSELF, WE HAVE INCLUDED SOME OF THE SAMPLE ACCESSORY USES THAT COULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, SUCH AS QUALITY CONTROL USES STORAGE, DISTRIBUTION AND ONSITE SALES.
HOWEVER, AS I MENTIONED WITH THE ACCESSORY USES, THIS WOULD NEED TO BE INCIDENTAL AND SUBORDINATE TO THE USE.
SO THIS CANNOT BE THE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF THIS USE ITSELF.
SO FURTHER REGULATING THIS USE WITHIN THE ID SIX DISTRICT ARE WHAT WE'RE CALLING ON HERE, THE ID SIX LIMITS.
SO THESE ARE SPECIFIC USE STANDARDS THAT ARE TIED TO THE USE.
SO WHEN A DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE DEFINITION AS WELL AS THOSE STANDARDS IN ORDER TO OPERATE WITHIN THIS DISTRICT.
SO THESE INCLUDE THAT THE USE MUST OPERATE ENTIRELY WITHIN A BUILDING, MEANING NO OUTDOOR OPERATION, THERE'S NO ONSITE STORAGE AND THAT THERE'S ALSO PERFORMANCE STANDARD LIMITATIONS TO HELP MINIMIZE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS FROM THE SITE, SUCH AS FROM ODOR, SMOKE VIBRATION, ELECTROMAGNETIC INTERFERENCE, OR ANYTHING ELSE.
SO TURNING TO THE NEXT USE, THIS IS A USE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS IN THE WIDTH AND THAT IS CONSTRUCTION AND CONTRACT SERVICES.
SO WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF THIS FOR THE ID SIX, HOWEVER, WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD IN SPECIFIC LIMITS IN ORDER TO FURTHER REGULATE IT WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
AND THESE LIMITS ARE LIKE WITH ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, ALL ACTIVITY IS REQUIRED TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE BUILDING.
AND THE CONCEPT OF FLEET VEHICLES, WHICH I'LL DISCUSS IN A MINUTE, BUT ESSENTIALLY ANY HEAVY EQUIPMENT OR VEHICLES USED FOR THAT SPECIFIC USE MUST BE STORED IN A BUILDING EXCEPT FOR FLEET VEHICLES.
THE DEFINITION OF FLEET VEHICLES LOCATED ON YOUR SCREEN.
AND ESSENTIALLY THESE ARE SMALL SCALE VEHICLES THAT ARE UTILIZED FOR A BUSINESS SUCH AS A SPRINTER VAN FOR AN HVAC COMPANY.
SO THESE ARE USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF DELIVERY, PICKUP OR SERVICE TO PATRONS OF THE PRIMARY USE AND DO NOT INCLUDE HEAVY MACHINERY AND OR HEAVY VEHICLES SUCH AS SEMI TRUCKS, NON RECREATIONAL TRAILERS OR CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT.
AND THEN LASTLY, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.
SO AGAIN, THE DEFINITION IS PROPOSED TO REMAIN THE SAME.
HOWEVER LIMITATIONS ARE ADDED TO THE DISTRICT, OR SORRY TO THIS USE IN THE ID SIX DISTRICT.
THESE ARE THAT IT HAS TO OPERATE ENTIRELY WITHIN THE BUILDING.
NO ONSITE STORAGE IS PERMITTED, THE FABRICATION ASSEMBLY OR PROCESSING IS PERMITTED.
HOWEVER, IT SHOULD BE LIMITED TO PROTOTYPE OR PILOT SKILL DEVELOPMENT ONLY.
THE INTENT FOR THIS USE IS NOT TO HAVE A MANUFACTURING USE.
HOWEVER, IF THERE'S INCIDENTAL MANUFACTURING TO DEVELOP A PROTOTYPE THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED UNDER THIS DEFINITION.
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PROHIBITING ANY ONSITE RETAIL, WHOLESALE DISTRIBUTION OR COMMERCIAL SALE OF GOODS AS PART OF THE USE TURNING TO ACCESSORY USES.THE USES YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN ARE THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY USES FOR THE ID SIX DISTRICT.
SO ALL THE USES ARE PROPOSED TO REMAIN THE SAME IN TERMS OF ANY USE STANDARDS IN THE CODE.
HOWEVER, THE ONE MODIFICATION WILL COME WITH THE ACCESSORY USE, WAREHOUSING, WHOLESALING, AND DISTRIBUTION.
WHILE THE DEFINITION DOES EXIST, WE ARE PROPOSING FURTHER MODIFICATIONS TO THE USE IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORK FOR THE DISTRICT ITSELF.
AND THESE INVOLVE THAT IT'LL FUNCTION SOLELY TO SUPPORT THE OPERATIONS OF THAT PRINCIPAL USE, MEANING THAT WAREHOUSING, WHOLESALING AND DISTRIBUTION SHALL NOT OPERATE AS A STANDALONE LOGISTICS FACILITY, WHOLESALE FACILITY OR BULK STORAGE FACILITY.
ADDITIONALLY, WE FURTHER REGULATED THE SPECIFIC USE IN ITSELF.
'CAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE DEFINITION IS FAIRLY BASIC.
SO THAT SECOND BULLET POINT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE IN INSIGHT INTO WHAT THAT CAN SPECIFICALLY HAPPEN FOR THAT USE.
AND LASTLY, AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, IS THAT THE WAREHOUSING, WHOLESALE, OR DISTRIBUTION OF GOODS NOT CREATED BY THE PRINCIPAL USE ITSELF IS PROHIBITED.
SO UNDER THIS DEFINITION YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE AN USE OR A GOOD COME IN FROM OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT TO A PROPERTY TO THEN HAVE IT STORED THERE.
THAT IS NOT THE INTENT OF THIS.
LASTLY, YOU'LL SEE A FOURTH BULLET POINT THAT IS AN EXISTING CONDITION FROM THE CODE AND THAT SHOULD PROPOSE TO REMAIN AS IS.
SO REGARDING USES THAT AREN'T LISTED OR USES, THAT COULD BE SIMILAR TO THESE, THESE WOULD FOLLOW THE EXISTING SIMILAR USE DETERMINATION PROCESS, THE CRITERIA OF WHICH ARE LOCATED BELOW.
AND WITH THIS I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IT WOULD NEED TO MEET ALL THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA IN ORDER TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE ID SIX DISTRICT.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT ITSELF, WHICH YOU SAW.
AND IF ANY USE THAT COMES IN CANNOT BE MORE INTENSIVE THAN A USE CURRENTLY EXISTING IN THE DISTRICT ITSELF.
SO THIS WOULD NOT BE AN AVENUE TO ALLOW FOR SOMETHING THAT IS MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT IS ALREADY PROPOSED WITHIN THE ID SIX.
SO TURNING TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE DISTRICT, A LOT OF THIS SHOULD LOOK ABOUT THE SAME.
UM, NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED SINCE THE ROADMAP, HOWEVER ADDITIONAL THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDED.
THE FIRST THING TO DISCUSS, AS JENNY MENTIONED, THE HEIGHT IS GOING TO REMAIN AT 45 FEET, WHICH DOES INCLUDE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT AND SCREENING.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CALL OUT ON THE TOP RIGHT CORNER, IF YOU DO HAVE A 35 FOOT TALL BUILDING, YOU WOULD HAVE THEN 10 FEET TO INSTALL ANY ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT.
THE SETBACK FROM COS GRAY IS PROPOSED TO REMAIN AT 200 FEET.
OUTDOOR STORAGE AND OPERATION OF USES IS NOT PERMITTED.
SERVICE AREAS SUCH AS OVERHEAD GARAGE DOORS WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED ON BUILDING ELEVATIONS ALONG COS GRAY GROUND SIGNS WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED ALONG COS GRAY ROAD SIGHT LIGHTING IS A NEW ADDITION BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE JANUARY MEETING.
AND THESE ARE PREDOMINANTLY AROUND, UH, LIGHT TRESPASS ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE.
IF A PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, THERE IS A ZERO FOOT CANDLE ALLOWANCE PAST THAT PROPERTY LINE, MEANING THAT THERE IS NO LIGHT TRESPASS PAST THE PROPERTY LINE FOR THAT BUILDING.
ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS COME IN AFTER OUR PARKING LOT ILLUMINATION.
THERE'S A CURRENT REGULATION IN THE CODE THAT WE'VE MODIFIED TO THEN BRING INTO THIS DISTRICT, WHICH ESSENTIALLY STATES THAT PAST 10:00 PM PARKING LOT LIGHTING USE WOULD HAVE TO BE REDUCED BY 50% IN ORDER TO DIM IT AND NOT HAVE SUBSTANTIAL LIGHT INTRUSION DURING THE NIGHT.
REGARDING LANDSCAPE AND BUFFERING ALONG STREETS, THAT IS REGULATED BY THE BUFFER AND SETBACK DESIGN MANUAL.
AND THEN FOR SCREENING FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, AND THIS IS NOT TALKING ABOUT ALONG COS GRAY, UM, THAT IS A 90% OPACITY WITH A MIX OF DECIDUOUS AND EVERGREEN TREES AND NATIVE UNDERSTORY SHRUBS.
SO WHILE THIS CAPTURES THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, ADDITIONAL STANDARDS ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE CODE DRAFT ITSELF.
AND LASTLY, LOOKING AT THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS.
IN ADDITION TO A DISTRICT INTENT STATEMENT, THERE'S ALSO AN ARCHITECTURAL INTENT STATEMENT THAT WAS ADDED IN ORDER TO GUIDE THE DESIGN OF BUILDINGS WITHIN THE ID SIX DISTRICT.
SO THIS IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE ID TWO DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, THIS ALSO EMPHASIZES THAT BUILDINGS ARE EXPECTED TO BE ON THE SMALLER SCALE, THAT THEY'LL BLEND OFFICE AND HIGH QUALITY DETAIL ORIENTED DESIGN.
AND THAT IS EXPECTED THAT BUILDINGS LOCATED DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES WILL HAVE A HIGHER ARCHITECTURAL EMPHASIS ON FACADES.
SO REGARDING THE PERMITTED BUILDING MATERIALS, THESE ARE NOT PROPOSED TO CHANGE THE MATERIALS YOU SEE BELOW IN THE PRIMARY MATERIALS AND THE SECONDARY MATERIALS ARE EXISTING IN THE CODE.
AND THAT'S SOME OPTIONS THAT COULD BE INCLUDED ON FACADES THERE.
SO THAT IS THE END OF MY SECTION.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MKSK TO DISCUSS THE SETBACK AND SCREENING DESIGN MANUAL.
I AM CHRIS HERMAN, PRINCIPAL WITH MKSK AND WITH ME I HAVE, I'M KIMBERLY WARE.
I'M A LANDSCAPE DESIGNER WITH MKSK.
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.WE'RE GONNA DO A QUICK PRESENTATION, FIVE PIECES.
UH, THE FIRST IS JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE SITE TO EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ATTEMPT HERE.
UH, THE SECOND IS TO TALK ABOUT THE SETBACK EDGE TYPES, UH, ALONG PUBLIC ROADS.
UH, THE THIRD IS TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
UH, THE FOURTH IS TO TALK ABOUT SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT ARE A FEW ABOUT THREE SPECIAL CONDITIONS, UH, RELATED TO THIS SITE.
AND THEN, UH, THE FIFTH IS TO TALK ABOUT LANDSCAPE PLANTINGS.
UH, AND JUST AS A HIGHLIGHT HERE, UM, THIS IS AN EXTENSION OF CHAPTER 1 53 0 40, THE SITE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THIS IS REALLY ABOUT SUPPLEMENTING THE SETBACK AND LANDSCAPE AND DESIGN, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS ZONING AND DISTRICT.
AND AGAIN, UH, WHAT WE'RE SHARING WITH YOU TONIGHT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ID SIX, ID SIX, UH, ZONE.
DO ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT LAST, UH, SENTENCE THERE.
WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT SETBACK DISTANCES.
UH, THESE ARE FOR BOTH BUILDING AND PAVEMENT AND THEY'RE MEASURED FROM THE FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE HAVE COSGRAVE ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE AND WE HAVE SHIRE RINGS.
THE INTERSECTION OF COSGROVE'S SHIRE RINGS AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND THEN SHIRE RINGS AND A FUTURE EXTENSION OF SHIRE RINGS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, TWO IMPORTANT THINGS TO POINT OUT.
WE HAVE TWO EXISTING FARMSTEADS.
UH, WE HAVE, UM, ONE THAT IS PURCHASED BY THE CITY AND ONE, UH, THAT'S FROZE THE SOUTH, UH, THE GEESE FARMSTEAD.
AND THEN THE OTHER IMPORTANT THING TO POINT OUT IS WE HAVE EXISTING TREE ROWS.
AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT EXISTING TREE ROWS IS THEY PROVIDE A NICE DEFINITION OF SPACE.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANNA PRESERVE.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, WE HAVE, UH, OVERHEAD TRANSMISSION LINES.
SO THESE ARE THINGS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE, UM, THE PARK TO THE NORTH.
WE'VE GOT EXISTING RESIDENTS TO THE EAST AND RAILROAD TRACKS TO THE SOUTH.
ALRIGHT, SO THINKING ABOUT THE DESIGN APPROACH HERE, WE REALLY HAVE THREE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE THE PRIMARY STREETS, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY COS GRAY ROAD AND SHIRE RINGS ROAD.
OUR LOCAL STREETS, WHICH IF YOU REMEMBER THE MAP THAT JENNY SHOWED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ARE SORT OF THOSE INTERNAL ROADS THAT ARE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA WHERE WE'LL HAVE, UM, ACCESS INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN THE ROUNDABOUT AT COS GRAY AND SHIRE RINGS.
UM, AND SO PREDOMINANTLY THESE CONDITIONS ARE DIFFERENTIATED IN THE WAYS THAT WE ARE APPROACHING SCREENING IN THE SENSE THAT OUR PRIMARY STREETS WILL PREDOMINANTLY UTILIZE MOUNDING AS OUR SCREENING APPROACH.
UH, WHILE THE LOCAL INTERNAL STREETS WILL PREDOMINANTLY USE MORE DENSE PLANTING, SINCE THESE WON'T NECESSARILY BE VISIBLE, UM, BY ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
AND THE ROUNDABOUT ARE SORT OF THESE AS A MORE GATEWAY MOMENT WHERE WE WANNA CELEBRATE AN ENTRY INTO THE DISTRICT.
AND SO WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT WHAT EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS ENTAIL.
SO ALONG COSWAY ROAD, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE RENDERING ON THE SCREEN HERE, UM, IS REALLY WHERE WE WANNA FOCUS THAT PRIMARY APPROACH OF MOUNDING AND DENSE PLANTING.
GIVEN THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CORRIDOR GIVEN ITS ADJACENCIES, UM, AS A RESIDENTIAL USE ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, AND HAVING THE LARGEST SETBACK AT 200 FEET, UM, IT'S INTENDED TO BE, UH, GENEROUS SCREENING APPROACH IN THIS AREA TO MAINTAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER, UM, AND PROVIDE AS MAXIMUM SCREENING OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UH, WEST OF COS GRAY ROAD, UH, SCREENING FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY TO THE EAST.
UM, AND SO IN ADDITION TO THE REQUIRED SCREENING AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF COS GRAY ROAD, UM, IT'S BEING ENHANCED WITH THE ADDITION OF TWO DRIVE LANES AS SHOWN IN THIS, UH, RENDERED IMAGE AS WELL AS UH, STREET TREES AND A PLANTED CENTER MEDIAN.
YOU CAN SEE FROM ANOTHER ANGLE HERE WHERE YOU CAN SEE HOW THE VISUAL CONNECTIONS FROM THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY WOULD BE COMPLETELY OBSTRUCTED BY THE 14 FOOT MOUND BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE DEVELOPMENT AT 45 FEET.
UM, AND HEIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MOUND.
AND SO ALONG SHI RINGS ROAD, WE HAVE A BIT OF A SMALLER SETBACK IN THIS CONDITION, UH, WHICH WOULD LIMIT THE MOUND HEIGHT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACHIEVE HERE, BUT STILL WOULD GET US AT AN EIGHT
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FOOT MOUND WITH DENSE PLANTING AGAIN.UM, THAT WOULD COMPLETELY SCREEN THE 45 FOOT DEVELOPMENT FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, AND THIS WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL ADJACENCY ON THE NORTH SIDE, SO IT'S NOT AS, UH, MUCH SCREENING AS WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED ON COS GRAY ROAD, BUT WOULD STILL PROVIDE THAT 90% SCREENING, UM, AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER.
AND FINALLY FOR THE LOCAL STREETS.
SO THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE INTERIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS IS AN INSTANCE WHERE MOUNTING WOULD NOT BE UTILIZED AND DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE, TO THE STREET AND TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT THIS IS A CONDITION WHERE WE WOULD UTILIZE DENSE PLANTING AND WHERE APPROPRIATE, UH, IF THERE'S ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SHOWCASE, UM, THERE CAN BE MORE OPEN PLANTING TO ALLOW FOR VISUAL CONNECTION FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
YEAH, SO REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS AS A KIT OF PARTS, UH, COMPONENTS.
SO ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT? AND THEN WE HAVE SHARED USE PATH STREET TREES AND THAT RIGHT OF WAY COMPONENT.
THEN WE HAVE, IF THERE'S UTILITIES IN THE AREA, WE HAVE A UTILITY EASEMENT COMES NEXT.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE MOUNDS AND THE MOUNDING THEN TO LOOK NATURALIZED, PARTICULARLY ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SIDE.
IT'S STEEPER ON THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT SIDE TO HELP THEM MAXIMIZE THEIR DEVELOPABLE AREA.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE STORM WATER AREA, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO ON THE SITE, BUT IF IT NEEDS TO GO ON THIS AREA, IT WILL THEN BE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE MOUND.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE BUILDING AND THEIR RUNOFF AREA AND, AND, UH, THE SETBACKS RIGHT AROUND THE BUILDING.
UH, SO THESE ARE THE COMPONENTS AND JUST THINK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE ARRANGED, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS DISTRICT.
SO AS WE THINK ABOUT THE APPROACH TO THE MOUNDS THEMSELVES AND THE GRADING HERE, WE, AS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'VE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING THAT WE DIDN'T WANNA HAVE TOOTHPASTE MOUNDS, SO ESSENTIALLY CONTINUOUS BERMS THAT DON'T HAVE A BREAK IN THEM.
UH, BUT AS CHRIS SAID, WE REALLY WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THIS MORE NATURALIZED APPEARANCE, BOTH WITH THE PLANTING AND WITH THE MOUND GRADING.
UH, SO THE INTENT HERE IS THAT THE MOUND SHOULD UNDULATE, UM, AND VARY IN BOTH VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL DIMENSIONS WITH A MAXIMUM SLOPE OF A SIX TO ONE ON THE PUBLIC SIDE FOR MORE NATURAL SLOPE CONDITION AND A THREE TO ONE OR MORE STEEP SLOPE ON THE PRIVATE SIDE TO REDUCE THE MOUND DEPTH AND ALLOW FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT AREA, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE MOUNDS.
UM, AND SO THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE OF A ROLLING HILLS CONDITION AND CHARACTER ALONG THAT COS COSWAY ROAD CORRIDOR.
UM, IN TERMS OF OUR APPROACH TO PLANTING, SO THIS WOULD, AS WE SAID, HAPPEN WITH OR WITHOUT MOUNDS, THE PLANTING WOULD INCUR IN DENSE LAYERS OF THREE TO FOUR LAYERS OF NATURALIZED DRIFTS, UH, WITH ORGANIC GROUPINGS OF BOTH EVERGREEN AND DECIDUOUS TREES.
AND IN THESE KEY AREAS AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, AND NEAR SHI RINGS ROAD, WE COULD HAVE MORE ORNAMENTAL PLANTING WITH SHRUBS, UM, OR ORNAMENTAL GRASSES TO REALLY CELEBRATE THE INTERSECTION.
AND SO THE TREE SPACING WILL BE STAGGERED AND SORT OF VERY RANDOMLY ALONG THE CORRIDOR WITH SIX TO 10 FOOT ON CENTER TO ACHIEVE MORE NATURALIZED APPEARANCE.
UM, AND THE TREE INSTALLATION SIZES FROM DAY ONE WOULD BE A TWO TO THREE INCH CALIPER CALIPER TREE SIZE, WHICH IS SORT OF MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN HAVING THESE SMALLER ONE INCH WHIPS THAT REALLY WOULDN'T PROVIDE ANY SCREENING ON THE FIRST DAY.
AND HAVING THESE LARGER FOUR TO FIVE INCH CALIPER TREES THAT WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT TO ESTABLISH SUCCESSFULLY, UM, AND WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE AT A LARGER SIZE.
SO THAT TWO TO THREE INCH CALIPER WOULD BE A NICE, UM, MEDIUM TO HAVE MORE SCREENING FROM DAY ONE, UM, AND ALSO ESTABLISH THE CHARACTER THAT WE'RE GOING FOR FROM THE FIRST DAY.
AND, UM, THINKING ABOUT WHERE THESE MOUNDS COME UP AGAINST PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, SO AS CHRIS MENTIONED FROM THAT EXISTING CONDITIONS SLIDE, WE SAW THAT THERE WERE SOME EXISTING TREE ROWS AND WE SEE THAT THERE'S AT LEAST, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT BE DEVELOPED AT DIFFERENT TIMES WITHIN THIS ID SIX AREA.
SO WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW THESE MOUNDS COME UP AGAINST A SEPARATE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, WE REALLY WANT TO CONTINUE THAT NATURALIZED ROLLING HILLS LANGUAGE ACROSS THE ENTIRE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, AND SO WHERE WE REACH A PROPERTY BOUNDARY, THE MOUND WILL START TO SLOPE AT A MAXIMUM SLOPE OF FOUR TO ONE TOWARDS ITS TERMINUS AND START TO TAPER INWARD OR OUTWARD TO CREATE THAT SORT OF OOPS, OR THE ROLLING HILLS, UH, NATURALIZED APPEARANCE AS WE, I TALK WITH MY HANDS A LOT, SO I'M PUTTING THE THE MICROPHONE
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UH, SO THAT WE CAN STILL ACHIEVE THAT CHARACTER AND NOT HAVE A VISUAL BREAK IN THE, IN THE SCREENING AS YOU GO ALONG THE CORRIDOR.AND THEN SAME THING WITH THE EXISTING TREE ROWS.
AS THE MOUNDS COME UP AGAINST THAT EXISTING SAND OF TREES, THERE ARE TO BE PRESERVED IN PLACE AND THE PLANTING CAN SORT OF COME DOWN TO THE EDGE OF THE MOUNDS TO MEET THAT PLANTING SO THAT IT FEELS LIKE A CONTINUOUS, UH, TREATMENT.
DID YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT STORM WATER, CHRIS? SURE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, STORM WATER'S AN IMPORTANT FEATURE OF ALL DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE SAYING THAT THESE STORM WATER AREAS SHOULD BE GROUPED WHERE THEY CAN BE, BUT WE, AGAIN, WE ARE PUTTING THEM BEHIND THE MOUND SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING ALONG THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE PUBLIC EDGE.
UM, AND THEN THE SHARED USE PASS, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THEY CAN BE MEANDERED KIND OF THROUGH THE MOUNDING, AND SO WE CAN HAVE SOME SMALLER MOUNDS AND SOME LARGER MOUNDS AND IT CREATES A LITTLE MORE INTEREST.
UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH DEVELOPMENT AS THAT OCCURS, BUT, UH, THAT MAY ALSO REQUIRE SOME EASEMENTS IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS AS IT WORKS ITS WAY THROUGH THE, THE MOUNDING AND THE, THE FRONTAGE ALONG THESE, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD THERE? YEAH, WE REALLY WANTED TO THINK ABOUT THESE SCREENING AREAS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A PUBLIC SPACE AND HABITAT.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, A WAY OF BEAUTIFYING THE CORRIDOR.
SO THESE SHARED JUICE PATHS AND HOW THEY INTERACT WITH THE MOUNTAINS IS A, A KEY FEATURE OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO THERE ARE SEVERAL SPECIAL CONDITIONS WE'VE CALLED THEM, UH, IN THESE GUIDELINES.
SO ONE IS THE ROUNDABOUT ITSELF, UH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA SERVE AS A GATEWAY.
AND SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT CAREFULLY ABOUT HOW THE MOUNDING AND BUFFERING WORKS, UH, WHERE SHI RINGS AND COSGROVE COME TOGETHER.
UM, SO WE, THIS IS GONNA NEED TO BE CAREFULLY PLANNED WITH THE CITY AND CITY STAFF, BUT WE'VE GOT SOME DESIGN IDEAS HERE AND WAYS IN WHICH THE MOUNTING WILL TAPER AT A CERTAIN DISTANCE BACK FROM THE, THE, UH, ROUNDABOUT RIGHT AWAY AND PICK BACK UP.
SO THERE'LL BE HEAVY PLANTINGS AROUND THE EDGES, BUT IT'LL BE MORE CELEBRATED, UM, MORE DISTINCT AND PART OF THAT FEATURE.
AND THEN THE MOUND AND THE PLANTINGS AND THE REST OF THIS GUIDANCE WILL PICK BACK UP.
UH, AT A CERTAIN DESIGN IT WAS LIKE 304 FEET MM-HMM
SO WE HAVE THE, THE DEWIT FARMSTEAD, WHICH IS WHAT RENDERED HERE.
AND THE GEESE FARMSTEAD, OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE CHARACTER FORM GIVING, UH, PROPERTIES THAT HELP WITH THAT RURAL CHARACTER AND AESTHETICS.
ALSO WANT TO PROVIDE SCREENING AROUND THE SIDES.
AND SO THIS WILL CREATE LITTLE SPACES, UH, AS YOU'RE GOING ALONG COSGRAVE ROAD AND, AND KIND OF AGAIN, HELP ESTABLISH THAT, UH, RURAL CHARACTER THAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID IS SO IMPORTANT.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, WHILE WE WANT TO LIMIT, UH, AND REALLY GUIDE WHERE ENTRY DRIVES HAPPEN, BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS HERE, UH, THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OF ENTRY DRIVES THAT WON'T COME OFF OF COSGRAVE OR SHIRE RINGS, WHERE THOSE HAPPEN WITH THE MOUNDS.
WE WANT TO HAVE A CURVED ENTRY DRIVE.
AND SO HOW THAT WORKS IS IT WOULD CURVE THROUGH THE MOUND, AND THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE DIRECT VIEWS FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY INTO THE SITE.
UH, IT ALSO MEANS WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO RETAIN THE MOUNDS WHERE THAT DRIVE IS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, RECOMMENDING STONE, A STONE WALL, UH, TO HOLD THOSE BACK, BUT IT SHOULD REALLY BE A NICE FEATURE BETWEEN THE STREET TREES, THE MEDIAN, AND THEN THE MOUNDING AND THIS CURVED ENTRY, UH, REALLY SCREEN THE SITE EVEN WHERE WE HAVE ENTRIES INTO THE, THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE UTILITY EASEMENTS.
I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE MANY REQUIREMENTS OF UTILITIES AND WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO.
UH, AT A MINIMUM WE WANNA SEE NO MO UH, LOMO GRASS IN THESE CORRIDORS.
AND THEN TO THE EXTENT WE CAN, WE WANT TO, AGAIN, REQUIRE ALL THESE LANDSCAPE FEATURES IN THESE AREAS, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH UTILITIES, RIGHT THIS OCCUR.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE PRETTY STRICT ON THE OVERHEAD TRANSMISSION LINE AREA IF UTILITIES ARE ADDED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE SITE, UH, WE REALLY WANNA SEE THEM WORK WITH US IN TERMS OF, IN THE CITY IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING THE LANDSCAPE INTENT IN THESE GUIDELINES.
ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT? NO, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
UH, SO THE LAST THING HERE, UH, IS REALLY AROUND THESE LANDSCAPE AND PLANTING GUIDELINES, UH, WHICH IS THE LAST PART OF, OF THE, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES HERE.
AND SO WE REALLY, I THINK SOMETHING WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT HERE WAS THAT WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY WITH CITY LANDSCAPE AND MAINTENANCE STAFF TO DEVELOP THESE GUIDELINES, UM, IN TERMS OF THE SPECIES SELECTION AND A REALLY DETAILED MAINTENANCE REGIME TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPERS IN THIS AREA TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PLANTING CHARACTER WITHIN THIS CORRIDOR.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, AS WE'VE MENTIONED A FEW TIMES, THE REAL INTENT HERE IS TO CULTIVATE THAT NATURALIZED
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RURAL APPEARANCE, UM, WITH THE PLANTING AND MOUNDING THAT SHIFTS IN DENSITY AND CHARACTER BASED ON ITS ADJACENCY.UM, AND WE REALLY WANT TO TRY AND ENCOURAGE THE BIODIVERSITY OF THE CITY AND THE AREA BY IMPLEMENTING PLANTINGS THAT HAVE NO MORE THAN 10% OF ANY ONE SPECIES, NO MORE THAN 20% OF ANY ONE GENUS, AND 30% OF ANY ONE FAMILY TO SUPPORT, UH, REALLY DIVERSE URBAN TREE CANOPY.
AND THAT'LL REALLY HELP, UH, THE RESILIENCE OF THIS TREE CANOPY SO THAT IF YOU HAVE ONE SPECIES OF TREE THAT MIGHT HAVE A PEST OR MIGHT HAVE AN ISSUE THAT TAKES OUT, UM, AN ENTIRE, UH, SPECIES, YOU'RE NOT, UH, LOSING YOUR ENTIRE TREE CANOPY BECAUSE IT WAS PLANTED IN ONE, UH, ONE SPECIES.
SO THAT CREATES THAT SPECIES DIVERSITY, BUT ALSO THAT RICHNESS IN THE PLANTING CHARACTER.
AGAIN, AS I SAID, THE INSTALLATION SIZES AROUND TWO TO THREE INCH CALIPER WITH NO MORE THAN HALF OF THE TREES BEING INSTALLED, BEING TWO INCH CALIPER ON THAT SMALLER SIDE.
UM, AND REALLY WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THIS YEAR ROUND OPACITY.
SO WE HAVE, UM, IN THE DIAGRAM YOU CAN SEE HERE TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE MOUNDS, THE MORE DECIDUOUS TREES THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY LOSE THEIR LEAVES IN THE FALL AND THE WINTER.
UH, BUT WE HAVE THAT EVERGREEN SORT OF SCREENING BEHIND THE DECIDUOUS TREES IN THESE SORT OF DRIFTS PLANTINGS THAT WILL CREATE THAT YEAR ROUND, UH, SCREENING.
UH, SO THAT'S THE OVERALL DESIGN UPDATE.
AND, UM, YEAH, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SAY? FIRST GUESS ONE LAST THING.
UH, AS YOU REVIEW THE GUIDELINES, YOU'LL SEE, UH, WE JUST GAVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY.
UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF DETAILS, UH, YOU KNOW, PLACED IN HERE THINKING ABOUT HOW THE MOUNDS WORK, HOW THE VEGETATION WORKS, LIMITING SIZES TOO MUCH PERCENT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S REALLY A NICE BLEND HERE, OPACITY REQUIREMENTS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THAT WHAT IS ACHIEVED MATCHES OUR INTENT.
JENNY, YOU WANNA PICK UP FROM HERE? OKAY.
SO THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR, UM, ALL THEIR INFORMATION AND, AND, UM, OVERVIEW OF THEIR, THEIR PIECES TO THIS.
SO AGAIN, OUR GOAL TONIGHT IS TO HAVE DISCUSSION AND FOR YOU ALL TO PROVIDE US FEEDBACK AND GIVE US DIRECTION ABOUT OUR NEXT STEPS, UM, TOWARDS BRINGING A FINAL, UH, DRAFT OF THESE DOCUMENTS TO YOU.
SO WE HAVE IN YOUR PACKET, UM, INCLUDED A SERIES OF DISCUSSION QUESTIONS TO HELP PROMPT THE DISCUSSION, UM, FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PIECE, BUT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, HOW THESE DRAFT DOCUMENTS ADDRESS THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAD MADE PREVIOUSLY.
WHAT ADDITIONAL REVISIONS DO WE NEED TO MAKE TO THE CODE, UM, AND THE, UM, SETBACK AND BUFFERING STUDY, AND THEN ANY OTHER DETAILS RELATED TO THE PROPOSED TREATMENTS THAT, UM, CHRIS AND KIMBERLY, UM, SHARED REGARDING THE SETBACKS AND THEN ANY OTHER, UM, CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
SO THANKS FOR THE TIME FOR US TO GO THROUGH THOSE.
IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AND THANK YOU.
AND TO ALL OF THOSE WHO'VE PRESENTED IT, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU'VE DONE SOME WORK SINCE WE LAST MET, WHICH IS GOOD TO SEE PROGRESS.
AND YOU HEARD SOME OF OUR COMMENTS AND HAVE WORKED HARD TO INCORPORATE THOSE.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS FROM THE PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.
MR. CHIN, I GOTTA START KNOWS I'M GONNA PICK OFF, SIR.
UM, I, I GUESS, UH, THANK AGAIN.
UM, I GUESS WE CAN, AND I FEEL LIKE THESE ARE KIND OF BUCKETED INTO CERTAIN TOPICS.
I GUESS WE'LL START WITH THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE LAST, UH, PRESENTATION OR WHAT WE, UH, WHAT WAS PRESENTED JEN, AND YOU MENTIONED IN ONE OF THE COMMENTS THERE WAS CONCERNS WITH THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
DID I SEE WHAT WAS THE CONCERN? JUST THE LIMITING BUILDABLE AREA OR WAS THERE OTHER CONCERNS? SO YEAH, SOME OF THAT STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK WAS YES, THE REDUCTION OF THE BUILDABLE AREA, UM, BUT ALSO THEN, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT MOUND, RIGHT? THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF DIRT.
UM, AND, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPE MATERIAL THAT HAS TO BE, UM, INCLUDED IN THERE TO MEET THAT SORT OF OPACITY REQUIREMENT.
SO I THINK THEIR CONCERN WAS OVERALL LIKE THAT IN THAT ADDS TO THE IMPACT AND THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT TIVE PARTICULAR SITE.
AND THEN I GUESS, UM, SPECIFICALLY TO, UM, MK, SO, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME, UM, IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE IN CASES SUCH AS THIS, THIS, THIS SEEMS TO BE A LOT, UM, WOULD, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA USE THE WORD OVERKILL, BUT HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE? IS IT, IS IT, I KNOW IF I MIGHT ASK THIS QUE IS IT, IS IT TOO MUCH? IS IT, DOES IT, I GUESS, WHAT'S YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION ON HOW WE'RE HANDLING IT OUTSIDE OF BEING CONSULTANTS TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN
CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? UM, IT'S A, IT IS, IT'S A LOT OF LANDSCAPE.
I THINK THAT IS WHY, THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS.
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PROJECTS, PARK PROJECTS, THIS WOULD BE THE KIND OF AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPE YOU WOULD DO.UH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BUFFERS, THIS IS PROBABLY MORE THAN YOU DO, BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A PARK-LIKE ENVIRONMENTS, PARTICULARLY ALONG, UH, COSGRAVE ROAD.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING, AND THERE'S TWO, TWO THINGS.
ONE IS WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A PARK-LIKE ENVIRONMENT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE, THE LEVEL OF LANDSCAPE IS COMING FROM.
AND THE OTHER IS TO GET THE SCREENING, WE ARE CREATING FAIRLY LARGE MOUNDS.
AND SO THAT IS CREATING 200 FEET OF SPACE THAT WE DO NEED TO PLANT.
WE COULD TAKE SOME OTHER APPROACHES, BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET A, A REALLY NICE LANDSCAPE, A PARK-LIKE SETTING ON COSGRAVE.
AND THEN, AND, AND I THINK IT WAS IN ONE OF THE GRAPHICS TOO, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THE, THE APPROXIMATE DISTANCE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS TO THE BUILDABLE AREA FOR THE THIS ID SIX ISH.
SO THE GO, I BELIEVE THE SETBACK ITSELF ON COS GRAY IS 200 FEET.
UM, AND THEN WITH THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING DONE TO CAUSE GRAY, THAT'LL CREATE AT LEAST ABOUT A 60 FOOT, UH, ROAD WIDTH WITH TWO ADDITIONAL DRIVE LANES AND THEN THAT CENTER MEDIAN.
UM, SO THAT CREATES AT LEAST A 260 FOOT DISTANCE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF COS GRAY TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN THERE A TWO 60 PLUS WHATEVER DISTANCE THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING RIGHT.
IS FROM WHICH WE COULD, PLUS WHATEVER THAT IS SAY IS 40, AT LEAST 40.
JENNY, I THOUGHT AT THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS A GRAPHIC THAT HAD THAT DIMENSION FROM AT THE, IT'S OKAY, BUT WE'RE TALKING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 260 TO 300 FEET.
AT LEAST 260 TO 300, WHICH IS SEE, YEP.
SO WE'VE GOT THE MORE THAN THAT 200 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN IT'S ABOUT 102 FEET.
AND THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING MOUND ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF COS GRAY, SO THAT PROVIDES AN ADDITIONAL LAYER OF SCREENING BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU FOR FINDING THAT'S VERY HELPFUL, HELPFUL GRAPHIC THERE.
UM, AND THEN, AND ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION, I'LL LEAVE
THE, UH, ONE OF THE, THIS IS MAYBE, I'M NOT SURE WHO TO ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE LOADING DOCKS, NOT BASICALLY, WELL JUST FOR CONVERSATION BEING A SIDE YARD FACING LOADING DOCK, DID WE TALK ABOUT, IS THERE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT SCREENING OF THOSE LOADING DOCKS FOR WHATEVER VE A FLEET VEHICLE WOULD BE UNLOADING THERE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? HAS THAT COME UP IN, INTO PLAY AT ALL OR IS THAT NOT A CONCERN? YEAH, I THINK WE'VE REALLY USED ON, ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS BETWEEN THE MOUNTINGS AND THE, SO SHOWER RINGS WE'RE SAYING 70% OPACITY ON COSGROVE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 90%.
AND WITH THE MOUNTINGS WE'RE REALLY SAYING YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE WHATEVER'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE TOP OF THE ROOF.
UM, AND THEN ON THE, IN ANY INTERNAL STREET SYSTEM THAT'S BUILT, WE'RE REALLY CREATING A PRETTY HEAVILY VEGETATED EDGE.
AND SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE LOOKING STRAIGHT AT, UH, ANY KIND OF GARAGE OR DOORS.
MR. MR. C***K, YOU WERE ASKING ALONG COS GRAY, ARE THERE ANY, I THINK THE CODE SAYS THERE'S NO LOADING DOCKS ALONG COS GRAY, I WAS ASKING ABOUT SCREENING FROM COS GRAY IF THE LOADING DOCKS ARE ON THE SIDE YARD, IF WE'RE, WHEN A TRUCK IS PARKED THERE, ARE THEY SCREENED BUT ANSWERED? I I WOULD INTERPRET THE CODE THAT IF YOU COULD SEE IT FROM CAUSE RATE, IT'S NOT ALLOWED IF IT'S, IF IT'S A VISIBILITY THING.
I'M SAYING THE FLEET VEHICLE PARKED THOUGH LOW LOAD OH, FLEET.
NOT THE, NOT THE LOADING DOCK, NOT THE DOCK ITSELF.
BUT IF THERE'S, YEAH, IF THERE'S FLEET VEHICLES IN THERE, THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION IF THEY'VE CONSIDERED THAT.
BUT YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL BUFFER IS, IS ESSENTIALLY GONNA BE, UM, SCREENING ALL OF THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.
I DON'T, DO YOU WANT TO, ARE WE FOCUSED ON THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER? I HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS ON, NO.
SO
UM, WE COULD ALWAYS ADD A DEFINITION FOR THAT IN THE CODE TO HELP CLARIFY THAT, BUT OKAY.
BUT ANYTHING THEY'RE ASSEMBLING STILL HAS TO BE WITHIN THE BUILDING.
IT CAN'T BE BRINGING STUFF OUT IN THE OPEN.
THAT'S PART OF THE CLARIFICATION THERE.
AND THEN, UM, I GUESS I'LL ASK YOUR QUESTION THEN.
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WHICH I, NOT AGAINST FOR ABSOLUTELY.BUT ARE WE STARTING TO RESTRICT, BE, BE SO RESTRICTIVE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACHIEVE THE ULTIMATE GOAL HERE OF FINDING, YOU KNOW, INNOVATIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, TECH, ALL, ALL THESE, ALL THESE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT TENANTS.
ARE WE BEING TOO RESTRICTIVE AGAIN, IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION,
SO, SO WOULDN'T SAY IT'S OVERLY RESTRICTIVE GIVEN THE CURRENT SITE.
SO YOU SEE THAT A NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT OUT IN THE POTENTIALLY, GENERALLY, YES, BUT I WOULD PROBABLY DEFER THAT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
JET, COULD YOU MAYBE WEIGH INTO THAT, THAT, UH, BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN CONSULTED ON THE ZONING AND LANDOWNER? SO THERE'S BEEN INPUT JAMIE MM-HMM
SO WE HAVE, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE MET WITH, UM, NOT JUST THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT PEOPLE THAT WE COULD SEE HAVING EQUIVALENT DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WOULD WANT SEE HERE.
UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK THE USES WHEN WE'VE MET WITH THEM KNOWING RIGHT, THAT THERE'S, THIS IS FOCUSED ON THIS PARTICULAR AREA AND THERE'S OTHER AREAS OF THE DISTRICT WHERE DIFFERENT USES COULD HAPPEN TO MEET DIFFERENT NEEDS THAT THIS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, THAT PROJECTS COULD BE BUILT IN LINE WITH, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, WITHOUT GIVING PARTICULAR DEVELOPER NAMES, BUT THAT THERE ARE PRODUCTS OUT THERE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE FILLED WITH USES THAT MEET THE INTENT AND THAT USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
I MEAN, WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE DETAIL THAT YOU ALL SAW, WE PRESENTED THAT SAME INFORMATION TO GET THAT EXACT FEEDBACK.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA DEVELOP A DISTRICT THAT YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY BUILD SOMETHING IN.
AND, AND THEY UNDERSTOOD THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT AND WERE LIKE, YEAH, WE GET THE INTENT.
YES, WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING WORK.
ALSO ON THAT LINE, ARE WE CLARIFYING THAT, UM, THEY LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP MOVING AND KNOWING CLARITY THROUGHOUT, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING? AND SO THEN THE, THE, THE BUFFERING, THE LANDSCAPING DOESN'T, DOESN'T CONCERN THEM.
THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE, THE DEVELOPERS, UM, WITH THAT AS WELL TOO.
'CAUSE I'VE HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, IF YOU, I'M SURE THEY WANT ALL THE FLEXIBILITY THEY CAN GET ON EVERYTHING, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BUT THEY, BUT TO MR WAY'S POINT, RIGHT? THEY UNDERSTAND THE INTENT AND THE CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED, AND THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, ANY DEVELOPMENT PARTNER WANTS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THE BUFFER, THOUGH, THEY HAVE BEEN VERY CANDID THAT THAT IS, THAT IS A GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE, YOU KNOW, TO THEM.
BUT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT PARTICULARLY 200 FOOT SETBACK, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY PLANNER RECOMMENDS THE TREATMENT IN THAT SETBACK.
IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND PART OF THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THE INTENT OF THIS CODE ALL ALONG, NOT JUST RELATED TO THIS SPECIFIC DISTRICT, BUT ALL OF THE WEST INNOVATION IS TO PROVIDE THAT CLARITY OF STANDARD SO THAT THEY UNDER, THEY KNOW GOING IN, LIKE WE MEET IT OR WE DON'T, AND HERE'S THE PROCESS IF WE DO OR DON'T AND WHAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTIONS ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, BUT ALSO THE, THE, UM, MATERIALS THAT WILL BE USED FOR LANDSCAPING.
DO YOU FORESEE WHEN THEY'RE PUTTING IN, UM, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING MATERIAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, UH, WHAT, WHAT STAGE WILL IT BE IN AND ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT WE HAVE DEER THAT ARE OUT HERE, AND IS THAT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM WITH THE CHOICES YOU'RE MAKING AND KEEPING UP WITH THAT AND GETTING THEM OFF AND GOING? YEAH, SO AS WE MENTIONED, THE SORT OF RECOMMENDED INSTALLATION SIZE FOR THE TREES WOULD BE A TWO TO THREE INCH CALIPER TREE.
SO ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE WIDTH OF THE TRUNK OF THE TREE IS TWO TO THREE INCHES, WHICH IS A SLIGHTLY OR MORE MATURE TREE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU HAVE THESE TINY LITTLE WHIPS AS WE CALL THEM.
UM, AND SO THAT IT WOULD ALLOW FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE SCREENING AND AN ESTABLISHED CHARACTER FROM DAY ONE.
UM, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO DEER, I THINK WE COULD WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CITY'S, UH, LANDSCAPE AND MAINTENANCE TEAM TO SEE WHAT'S WORKED FOR THEM IN TERMS OF DEER RESISTANT PLANTING.
UH, TO ADD THAT TO OUR SPECIES LIST.
BUT THEY'VE SORT OF HELPED US DEVELOP THAT SHRUB AND, AND GRASS LAYER TO, I WOULD ASSUME, CHOOSE SPECIES THAT ARE DEER RESISTANT ALREADY.
AND THEN I'M THINKING ABOUT, UM, SO DAY ONE THERE'S, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, A GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT IF YOU'RE ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF YOUR HOME, YOU CAN SEE THIS BUILDING.
WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY? UM, BUT AS WE MENTIONED, THE SORT OF EXISTING MOUND AND SCREENING ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE WOULD ALREADY PROVIDE
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SOME SCREENING FROM DAY ONE.UM, AND THEN, SO THEN I GO TO THE ROOF OF MAYBE WHAT SOMEONE MIGHT SEE ON TOP OF THEIR BUILDING, AND I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE MECHANICALS.
IS THERE A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, UM, DO UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PLANTINGS ON THE ROOF, WHICH THERE ARE PEOPLE CAN DO THAT.
UM, IS THAT ANY CONSIDERATION YOU ALL HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, DOING ROOFTOP, UH, SO THAT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING INTERESTING.
AND IS THAT COST PROHIBITED AS WELL TOO? I THINK SO.
YOU MEAN LIKE HAVING GREEN ROOFS AND YEAH.
SORT OF GARDENS ON THE, LIKE A DEVELOPER WOULD TEND TO LEAN THAT DIRECTION AND THEN, UM, THAT MIGHT BE SOME NICE BUFFER THAT WHEN A AND TELL ME IF THAT'S EVEN A NICE THING TO LOOK AT.
'CAUSE I'VE ONLY SEEN A COUPLE HERE AND THERE AND, UM, IS, AND IS IT SELF SUSTAINABLE? WHICH I THINK IT IS.
AND YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE ONLY CROSS PROHIBITIVE IF THE EXPECTATION WAS THEM FOR THEM TO HAVE TREES ON THE ROOF.
I THINK AT MOST THEY WOULD PROBABLY JUST DO SORT OF LOW GRASS PLANTINGS THAT MM-HMM
DON'T NEED TO BE IRRIGATED OR MAINTAIN ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND SO THAT WOULD ADD SOME VISUAL INTEREST, UM, BUT MAYBE NOT AS COST PROHIBITIVE AS SO IN OH, IN YOUR OPINION.
I, I DO THINK THE INTERESTING THING IS GREEN ROOFS LOOK GOOD FROM ABOVE.
UM, I DON'T SEE THAT YOU, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GONNA HAVE TO EXPERIENCE THEM LOOKING UP AT IT OR EVEN ACROSS AT IT 'CAUSE THEY'RE VERY LOW PLANTING TO, TO WORK 'CAUSE OF THE, THE WEIGHT OF THE SOIL MATERIAL YOU HAVE TO USE AND THE KIND OF PLANTS THAT WILL ACTUALLY SURVIVE THERE AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER.
SO, UM, I THINK TO KIMBERLY'S POINT, IT'S NOT, NOT REALLY TALL, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH BENEFIT YOU GET AS A VISUAL INTEREST POINT OF VIEW.
BUT IF I'M ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF ONE OF THE HOMES, AM I LOOKING STRAIGHT INTO THE BUILDING OR DO I HAVE ANY VISUAL ON TOP? AND I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING TROUBLE, UM, YEAH.
I, I THINK IF YOU'RE ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THESE HOMES, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK THROUGH THREE LAYERS.
YOU'RE GONNA LOOK THROUGH THE EXISTING VEGETATION THAT'S ON THEIR BACKYARD.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA LOOK THROUGH A TREE MEDIAN THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT AS PART OF COSGRAVE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA LOOK THROUGH ALL THE SCREENING AND MOUNDING THAT IS GONNA BE BUILT AS PART OF THE, THE ID SIX PROJECT.
I, I THINK I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, BUT I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT IN BETWEEN SOMEONE'S WINDOW ON THEIR HOUSE AND WHAT THEY WOULD SEE, UH, WHERE WE DECIDE HOW MANY A HUNDRED FEET, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND SO AS WE MENTIONED, THE MAX HEIGHT OF THESE DEVELOPMENT BUILDINGS WOULD BE 45 FEET.
UM, AND I WOULD GUESS THAT THE HOMES ON THE OTHER SIDE ARE PROBABLY YOUR SECOND FLOOR.
UH, LINE OF SIGHT WOULD BE 10 TO 20 FEET.
SO YOU WOULD BE LOOKING THROUGH ALL OF THE PLANTING AS CHRIS MENTIONED, AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T EVEN SEE THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
ACTUALLY LEFT OUT STREET TREES TOO.
SO, AND STREET TREES, THERE'S ACTUALLY FIVE LAYERS.
AND THEN, UM, DOES THE OTHER SIDE OF COS GRAY NEED TO BE BEEFED UP A BIT TOO? IS THAT A CONCERN THAT YOU ALL HAVE? UM, JUST THOUGH THAT IT HAS A COHESIVE LOOK? IT'S, I, I LOVE THEIR SIDE AS IT IS.
UM, BUT I ALSO COULD SEE THAT YOU'RE BRINGING IN ALL THESE PLANTINGS.
IS IT GOING TO HAVE A COHESIVE LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE? I THINK THAT'S THE INTENTION IS TO MATCH THE EXISTING CHARACTER ALONG COS GRAY ROAD, WHICH ALREADY HAS THAT SORT OF ROLLING MOUND.
I DON'T THINK THE MOUND WILL BE NEARLY AS TALL AS THE MOUND ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT, UH, THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE A CONSISTENT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE MANY YEARS AGO VERSUS BEING DONE NOW AND WHAT THE THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THAT AND HOW TO MAYBE WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON, UM, HERE'S SOME SUGGESTIONS OR HERE'S SOME THOUGHTS, OR THERE'S A BEAUTIFICATION, UH, GRANT THAT COULD BE, UM, LOOKED IN AND THAT, THAT REGARDS TOO.
I WAS JUST GONNA ADD TO A LOT OF THAT SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPE THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE IS IN THEIR BACKYARD.
SO THAT'S ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND, AND THEN, UM, CONCERNING CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE CHANGES AND, AND, UH, THAT THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, EVERYBODY IS, IS DOING WHAT HAS BEEN ASKED, UH, NOT PERTAINING TO LANDSCAPING, BUT JUST WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER CONCERNS AND SO FORTH, UM, WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, DO THEY JUST DO, UH, SPOT VISITS OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO THEIR INTENT? ATTENTION? WE DO BOTH.
UM, SO THEY HAVE A PROACTIVE APPROACH, UM, WHERE THEY'RE DRIVING AROUND, UM, THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING ISSUES
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ON THEIR OWN.AND THEN THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, UM, COMPLAINT DRIVEN, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS AS WELL.
I WANNA FIRST FOLLOW UP ON A QUESTION THAT JAMIE BROUGHT UP.
UM, OUR, OUR CODE STATES, I BELIEVE THAT YOU GET A 5% INCREASE IN BUILDABLE AREA IF YOU INCORPORATE, UM, SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES.
NOT EVERY PROPERTY HERE WILL HAVE A 200 FOOT SETBACK, AND IN FACT, IT'S NOT OUR CODE RIGHT NOW, IF WE ADOPT THIS, IT CREATES A DISINCENTIVE TO HAVE A PROPERTY ON.
WITH THE 200 FOOT SETBACK, YOU'D BE BETTER OFF HAVING A PROPERTY DEEPER IN THE ZONING DISTRICT BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T LOSE THIS.
SO IF SOMEONE TAKES A PROPERTY HERE, THE LANDSCAPE IS GONNA BE VERY LUSH, LANDSCAPE IS A SUSTAINABLE, ADDING TREES IS DEFINITELY SUSTAINABLE PRACTICE.
WOULD THEY GET THE BENEFIT OF THAT 5% AREA INCREASE, UM, FOR DOING THAT? BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE COST THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOR, UM, BUILDING THESE MOUNDS AND THE LANDSCAPE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CONSIDERED IT, UM, AS THAT, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT, TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CODE.
THE, UM, THE GRID ON PAGE 10 AND THE MEMO HAVE SOME REFERENCES TO UTILITIES AND I SEE UNDER RENEWABLE WIND EQUIPMENT AND THE UTILITIES AND THE OTHER, THE OTHER DISTRICTS, IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING LISTED, UM, PROPOSED.
DOES THAT MEAN IT'S NOT PERMITTED? CORRECT.
AND WHY? PART OF THAT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, AGAIN, WANTING TO LIMIT WHAT COULD BE SEEN AND USED ON THIS, UM, PARTICULAR SITE.
SO THAT WAS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, WAS AS THROUGH OUR CONVERSATIONS WAS DESIRED TO BE THERE.
UM, SOLAR IS PERMITTED IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND GEOTHERMAL WAS OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GROUND LEVEL, SO THAT'S NOT IMPACTFUL FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT.
UM, SO THE WIND PIECE OF THAT WAS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT.
I, I HOPE THIS ISN'T BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT EVERY TURBINE IS WHAT YOU SEE OFF OF ROUTE TWO 70.
THERE ARE TURBINES THAT GO ON THE ROOFS OF BUILDING THERE ARE TWO FEET TALL.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF RENEWABLE PRODUCTS FOR USE OF WIND THAT DON'T HAVE TO LOOK LIKE WHAT WE SEE ON TWO 70.
SO I I, IF THAT'S THE CONCERN AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT IN THE DISTRICT, THEN MAYBE THE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC TO, TO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ZONE OUT.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, AND I DIDN'T SEE HOW WE ADDRESSED THIS YET IN THE CODE, BUT IT, IT WAS IN THE MEMO AND IT SAID, AND IT'S A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE KIND OF SCRATCHING OUR HEADS, MAKING SURE WE UNDERSTOOD THIS, AND THEN A LINE SAYS, ADDITIONAL RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES ON INDIVIDUAL SITES WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED EX AN EX PERIOD WIND NUCLEAR NATURAL GAS.
NOW, DOES THAT MEAN, NOW I'M ASSUMING IT MEANS YOU'RE EXCLUDING WIND.
WHY ARE YOU EXCLUDING NATURAL GAS? AGAIN, THAT WAS FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT KINDS OF ALTERNATIVE ENERGY COULD BE INCLUDED ON THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
SO IF, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO USE GAS TO HEAT THEIR BUILDING, AGAIN, THE INTENT, YEAH, I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA JUMP IN HERE, BUT RIGHT.
THEY GAS COULD BE USED TO PROVIDE HEATING NOT AS AN ELECTRIC GENERATION.
AND THESE ARE MORE PERTAINING TO, UM, LANDSCAPE.
I, I, I LIKE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE SHARED USE PATH AND CURVING AND, UM, BECAUSE WHEN YOU WALK DOWN DUBLIN ROAD NORTH OF, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE EXPERIENCE ON THAT PATH IS SO DIFFERENT WHEN IT GOES FROM STRAIGHT PARALLELING THE ROAD TO SOME PARTS, IT'S IN IT'S INCORPORATED WITH THE MOUNDS AND TREES.
IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE.
UM, BUT HOW DO YOU, HOW ARE YOU GONNA, HOW, HOW ARE YOU GONNA ESTABLISH THAT? 'CAUSE YOU SAID IF WE GET OUTTA THE RIGHT OF WAY THAN WE NEED TO HAVE EASEMENTS ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTY TO DO THAT.
SO WILL YOU BE ESTABLISHING AN OVERLAY AND YOU'LL ANTICIPATE WHAT THAT PATH IS OR HOW, HOW, HOW WOULD YOU ESTABLISH THAT? SO YEAH, I THINK THE, EACH DEVELOPER WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND WE HOPE THAT THEIR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WILL TAKE THIS UNDER GUIDANCE.
I THINK WHERE, UM, IF THERE'S ENTRIES,
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IF THERE'S PROPERTY LINES, UH, WHERE OUR MOUNDS CROSS, BUT DON'T NECESSARILY, WE'RE TRYING NOT TO CREATE A TOOTHPASTE MOUND.UM, IT PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO CURVE AND LOOP THE PATH.
AND SO I THINK WITH THIS GUIDANCE, OUR HOPE IS THAT THE CITY STAFF WILL THEN REVIEW PLANS AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, WHERE ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES? IT PROBABLY WON'T BE A KIND OF MISSISSIPPI RIVER CONSTANTLY, UH, IN AND OUT, BUT I THINK IT'S TAKING OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY PRESENT THEMSELF, UH, THAT WORK WITH THE SITE DESIGN, UH, TO CREATE SOME UNDULATION AND INTEREST AND WORK AROUND SOME MOUNDS IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS.
SO IT ISN'T JUST A STRAIGHT LINE DOWN DOWN THE ROADWAY.
DO SOMEPLACE IN THE CODE, DO WE ESTABLISH WHAT 90% ACTUALLY IS AND WHEN IT'S MEASURED AND, UM, BECAUSE IS IT INITIALLY, IS IT A CERTAIN GROWING PERIOD? IT'S 90% WHAT TIMES OF YEAR? BECAUSE SOME EVERGREENS LOSE A THIRD OF THEIR NEEDLES.
UM, OR IS IT BECAUSE THE MOUNDS ARE UP SO HIGH, THE MOUNDS ARE SOLID SO YOU HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT OPACITY? I'M JUST, I I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION.
I THINK WITH OUR CALCULATION, IT'S, IT'S INCLUDING THE MOUNDS OF EVERGREENS AND THE PLANTS.
UM, YEAH, WE SHOULD DOUBLE CHECK TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MATCHING UP WITH THE, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH STEP, BUT I DON'T THINK WE GOT INTO THE DETAILS OF EXACTLY WHAT DUBLIN CITY WAYS OF MEASURING THAT.
AND SO WE SHOULD, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
A QUESTION ABOUT SEASONALITY AS WELL.
WE SHOULD FURTHER DEFINE THAT.
THOSE ARE MY INITIAL QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'M, I'M REVIEWING THIS AND I HAVEN'T HEARD, UM, PRIOR PRESENTATIONS OTHER THAN READING THE INFORMATION AND STAFF REPORT AND THE INFORMATION THAT'S ONLINE, AND IT WAS A LOT TO COVER.
UM, SO NONE OF THIS BUFFER IS BEING MAINTAINED BY THE CITY, IS THAT CORRECT? AT THIS POINT, IT WOULD BE PART OF A DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBILITY.
SO WE POTENTIALLY HAVE A, A ADJOINING DEVELOPERS THAT CAN HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PIECES OF PROPERTY.
SO HOW DOES THE CITY ENVISION KEEPING A COHESIVENESS? SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS LANDSCAPE DESIGN, IT IS A VERY COHESIVE PRESENTATION.
I I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY PROVIDING WAY MORE SCREENING THAN WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE HAD IN DUBLIN.
SO IT'S AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE WE'VE HAD THAT 200 FOOT SETBACK, UM, AND I FACE THAT WORKING ON DEVELOPMENT, THAT IT WAS MAKING SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP THEM BECAUSE SO MUCH FRONTAGE WAS LOST, BUT THEY WERE ALSO SMALLER PARCELS THAN WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE.
SO I WASN'T UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT, BUT I WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON HOW, HOW THE CITY'S ENVISIONING THAT THERE'S COHESIVENESS FROM SITE TO SITE.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK AS CHRIS MENTIONED TOO, AND FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN HERE, RIGHT? THERE ARE, WE OWN TWO OF THE PARCELS AND THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, AND AGAIN, AS LIKE ALL ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED AS ONE THING, IS IT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL.
SO WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS AND APPLY THIS IN A SCENARIO WHERE MAYBE EACH ONE IS DEVELOPING ON ITS OWN OR IT CAN BE COMPREHENSIVE.
SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE IF THERE HAS TO BE ADDITIONAL ACCESS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHERE DOES THE FARMSTEAD COME IN? SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO LOOK AT AND THIS MANUAL HELP IDENTIFY RIGHT HERE'S, HERE'S OUR GOAL AND HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO BE PLANTED IN HERE, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK THROUGH EACH OF THOSE SITES AS THEY COME FORWARD KNOWING THAT THAT ULTIMATELY IS OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE AS COHESIVE A LANDSCAPE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT ALL FITS TOGETHER.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OF LIKE LIMITING WHAT, LIMITING WHAT THOSE PLANTINGS ARE OR GUIDING WHAT THOSE PLANTINGS ARE SO THAT, AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A KIT OF APART, IS THERE NOT A POSSIBILITY, A KIT OF PARTS OF PLANTING SO THAT YOU CREATE THAT COHESIVENESS FROM SITE TO SITE TO SITE AS OPPOSED TO LEAVING IT MORE A FREE FOR ALL.
I'M, I'M GONNA, I WANNA DO THIS AND SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT COHESIVENESS DATA? SO WE HAVE, UH, IN TERMS OF PLANTING, WE INCLUDED A PRETTY ROBUST SPECIES LIST, UM, THAT LIMITS THE NUMBER OF TREE OR THE SPECIES OF TREES AND SHRUBS AND GRASSES THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO USE.
SO, UH, THERE'S DEFINED PERCENTAGES OF PERCENTAGES OF HOW MUCH OF EACH SPECIES THEY'RE ALLOWED TO USE.
AND SO SINCE THEY ALL WOULD BE WORKING FROM THE SAME PALLET OF PLANTINGS, IT WOULD HAVE A SIMILAR CHARACTER ACROSS THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR SINCE THEY'RE USING THE SIMILAR TREE
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SPECIES.UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF FROM PROPERTY TO PROPERTY, WE HAVE GUIDANCE IN THE, IN THE MANUAL THAT STATES WHAT DEVELOPERS SHOULD DO TO TAPER THE MOUNDS AT THEIR PROPERTY EDGE AND CONTINUE THAT PLANTING UP TO THE EDGE OF THEIR PROPERTY IN ORDER FOR THE NEXT DEVELOPER TO CONTINUE, UH, WITH THEIR MOUNDING, UH, ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED.
SO IT WAS, IN YOUR OPINION, THAT WASN'T LEAVING IT TOO, TOO BROAD WITH THE SELECTION THAT YOU COULD COME FROM, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT NEEDED TO BE NARROWED MORE IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE PLANT AND TREE MATERIALS WERE.
TH THIS DOCUMENT WILL BE CODIFIED WITH THE DISTRICT.
THIS IS INCORPORATED WITH THE DISTRICT.
THIS IS PART OF THE ID SIX DISTRICT, THIS STUDY.
SO ALL OF THE, THIS IS A DESIGN GUIDELINE, SO ANYBODY HAS TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINE IN IN THAT IF THEY'RE GONNA DEVELOP IN THE ID SIX DISTRICT.
NO, I, I THINK THAT GIVES A A LOT OF NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IT GIVES A LOT OF GUIDANCE.
I THINK TOO, ANY DEVELOPER COMMISSIONER MIGHT, I MIGHT, I THINK THIS MAY BE ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES WHERE THE FIRST GROUP IN WILL GET A LOT OF ATTENTION FROM YOU ALL AND A LOT OF ATTENTION FROM STAFF AND THAT BUFFER DESIGN WILL GET ESTABLISHED AND I THINK THEN STAFF AND YOU ALL CAN TAKE THAT AND START SAYING, WE LIKE THIS, IT WAS DONE WELL, IF WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME GETTING IT RIGHT, TAKE THIS, REPEAT IT SO THAT WE GET THIS KIND OF CONSISTENCY.
SO I THINK THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF, OF A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO GET SOME, UH, CORRIDOR THAT MATCHES AND FEELS THE SAME.
YEAH, I, I REALIZE I, I'M ASKING A WHAT IF QUESTION, BUT I, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I REALIZE SOMETIMES YOU'RE GONNA GET ONE PIECE THAT DEVELOP AND THEN HOW LONG IS IT GONNA BE UNTIL YOU GET THE NEXT PIECE THAT GETS DEVELOPED.
AND AGAIN, THE COMMISSION'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF ASKING A LOT OF
UM, SO MAYBE I DON'T HAVE TO ASK ALL OF THESE.
I, I JUST SAID, UH, ONE THING ABOUT THE CROSS SECTION THAT I JUST WANTED, I I I, I THINK THERE'S, YOU'VE GOT GRAPHICS THAT SUPPORT IT, BUT IF, IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE CROSS SECTION OF THE BERM, SO THE BUFFER, UM, IS TWO IS 200 FEET TO A BUILDING OR PAVEMENT EDGE.
SO IN ESSENCE, THERE COULD BE THEN, AND YOUR, ALL YOUR GRAPHICS SHOW, THERE'S A BUILDING RIGHT THERE.
BUT IN ESSENCE, THE BUILDINGS COULD BE MUCH FURTHER BACK BECAUSE SOMEBODY, I ASSUME YOU COULD PUT A, IN FACT YOU HAVE A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS A ZONE THAT IS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES STAFF ACCESS.
I THINK I WAS READING THE THINGS YOU ADDED IT.
SO I THINK THE INTENTION OF YOUR DOCUMENT SHOWS THAT THAT COULD BE CIRCULATION AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY CREATE EVEN A BIGGER SETBACK.
UH, THIS IS ALMOST LIKE THE WORST CASE IF YOU MM-HMM
THE, THE BEST, WORST CASE
I DON'T WANNA CALL IT A WORST CASE.
UM, AND, AND SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING TO, THAT'S, THAT IS THE INTENTION.
IT'S JUST NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE A BUILDING EDGE.
IT'S GONNA BE A BUILDING EDGE, BUT THERE COULD BE, THERE'S PROBABLY HAS TO BE A DRIVE AISLE BACK THERE, SO THERE COULD BE PARKING ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE MOUNT.
THERE, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY AN EXAMPLE OF THAT OR YEAH, EGRESS FOR FIRE.
SO THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL BUILDING SET BACK JUST BY THE NATURE OF HOW THE SITE FUNCTIONS AND THEORETICALLY IT PROBABLY NEEDS A FIRE LANE ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.
SO THERE PROBABLY LIKELY IS YES.
SO ANYWAY, IT, IT, IT ALWAYS SHOWS UP AS KIND OF BEING A GREEN, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA.
AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT AND, AND ALSO THAT IT MAKES THE SETBACK EVEN BIGGER.
UM, THE, I'M, I, I APPRECIATE THE GRAPHIC ABOUT SLICING THROUGH THE BERM AND HOW YOU DO THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THE LAST MEETING AND, AND I THINK THOSE ARE PERFECTLY, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTABLE WAYS OF DEALING THAT WITH THAT.
BUT IS THE INTENT THAT AXIS FROM COS GRAY IS LIMITED BUT NOT PROHIBITED? BECAUSE THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THE ROADS COME IN FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH, MOSTLY FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH.
AND THERE'S LIKE AN INTERNAL ROAD, BUT MM-HMM
THAT IS OUR GOAL FOR THERE TO BE AN INTERNAL CONNECTION.
AGAIN, IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW THIS ULTIMATELY DEVELOPS.
SO, AND WHETHER AND HOW THAT PUBLIC, THAT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC STREET WOULD BE CONNECTED.
SO THE INTENT IS THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, A SITE OBVIOUSLY HAS, WE ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE THEM ACCESS TO A PUBLIC.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO, OUR GOAL WOULD BE YES TO LIMIT, IF NOT OUTRIGHT PROHIBIT, BUT WE CANNOT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM ACCESS.
THE GOAL WOULD BE FOR THAT TO ALL HAPPEN INTERNALLY ON THAT INTERNAL STREET.
AGAIN, JUST CLARIFICATION, UM, I I JUST WANNA REINFORCE THE OPACITY THING.
I'M STILL, UM,
I HAD THESE SITUATIONS WHERE, UM, NEIGHBORS
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WANT BASICALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT OPACITY.AND, YOU KNOW, THAT IS LIKE JUST, I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE ACHIEVE UNLESS IT'S A WALL
BUT WITH LANDSCAPE, BECAUSE LANDSCAPE'S A LIVING THING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A TARGET, RIGHT? I MEAN, 90 PERCENT'S A VERY AGGRESSIVE TARGET.
SO I MEAN, IF IT WAS 80%, I THINK IT WOULD BE FABULOUS.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S A GOOD TARGET.
UM, AND I AND IF I, I'M ASSUMING THAT YOUR GRAPHICS AREN'T INTENDED TO SHOW 90% OPACITY AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? JUST SO ANYBODY LOOKING AT THIS GOES, OH, IS THAT 90% OPACITY
IT'S, AGAIN, THEY'RE GRAPHICS, THEY'RE INDICATIVE OF WHAT THE GOAL IS.
UM, ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT TREE ROWS, WHICH I, AGAIN, I I SUPPORT YOU IN, IN SAVING THE TREE ROWS.
BUT WHAT THE, THAT DOES IS IT THEN SETS, UH, GRADING LIMITATIONS ON THE SITE.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T GRADE AROUND THE TREES.
DOES THAT PREVENT, PREVENT ANY CHALLENGES FROM STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OR IS THAT BASICALLY DRIVE A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGY? RIGHT? 'CAUSE THEN IT'S LIKE IN CHUNKS,
I THINK THE HOPE IS THAT PRESERVE 'EM.
IT, UH, THE GRADING IS GONNA BE AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
I THINK THAT'S, IS HAVING THIS IN THE PLAN IS ONE MORE THING FOR THE STAFF TO WORK WITH APPLICANTS AND FOR YOU ALL TO WORK WITH APPLICANTS AND SAY, YOU KNOW, SHOW US THAT YOU REALLY WORKED REALLY HARD TO KEEP THIS OR KEEP THIS PART OF IT, THESE PIECES, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE IMPORTANT.
IT, IT, THE GRADING'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
UM, I THINK THAT WAS, I, I THINK THE, THE, I THINK THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE CODE, UM, I THINK HAVE ALL BEEN PERF YOU KNOW, KIND OF LISTEN, WE LISTENED TO EVERYBODY, UM, LISTED OUR COMMENTS COMMUNITY AND REALLY DID DO A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO CRAFT THE RIGHT LANGUAGE TO GET TO THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS ON THAT WHATSOEVER.
SO WITH THAT, I AM COMMISSIONERS OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND I'M ASSUMING AND AND ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS? YES, WE ARE.
I JUST, SOMETIMES SOMEBODY'S GOT A DI BURNING QUESTION THAT THEY FORGOT TO ASK.
AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP, UH, THE MEETING TO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND FOR THOSE OF THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT, UM, PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE, LET TURN AT THE, AT THE TOP OF THE ROOM HERE.
UM, TURN ON THE MIC, WHICH WILL BE A GREEN LIGHT.
AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
AND THERE'S WHOEVER WANTS TO GO FIRST.
THERE'S ALWAYS GOTTA BE THE BRAVE ONE.
HI, UH, MY NAME'S JERRY HALTON.
UH, I WANNA SAY, I THINK THIS IS A CASE OF A TALE OF TWO CITIES.
I DROVE UP NORTHFIELD DRIVE LAST WEEK.
I SEE CURVING ROADS, I SEE NICE TREES, I SEE LITTLE SHOPPING MALLS.
I SEE NAPA GRILL, TOTALLY FULL PEOPLE WALKING AROUND.
WHAT YOU HAVE AROUND YOU IN THIS AREA IS 790 UNITS OF BALL TRAY.
THE SECOND THING YOU HAVE IS FREE LAND GOING FROM IMAN ROAD ACROSS THE NORTH SIDE OF SHIRE RINGS AND AROUND AND DOWN INTO THIS DISTRICT THAT YOU COULD TURN INTO A SMART CITY, A 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD, A VITAL PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO RIDE THEIR BIKES, TO WALK, TO GO TO A BOOKSTORE, TO HAVE A DRINK AT A BAR INSTEAD EMPTY ON THE WEEKEND, DEAD AT NIGHT RESEARCH DISTRICT.
THAT'S A TALE OF TWO CITIES, ONE PART OF DUBLIN LUSH, NICE, WALKABLE, FUN HERE.
YOU'RE PROPOSING BASICALLY A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT'S ORPHANED.
NOW I'VE HAD A LIFE OF LIVING IN COLUMBUS FOR 30 YEARS, BUT I'VE ALSO HAD A LIFE OF TRAVELING AROUND THE WORLD DOING SMART CITIES, RUNNING A UNIVERSITY THAT FOCUSED ON URBAN ISSUES.
SO I'VE SEEN CITIES AROUND THE WORLD THAT FAIL AND SUCCEED.
SECONDLY, WHAT YOU'RE DOING TODAY IS ESSENTIALLY LIPSTICK ON A PIG.
THAT LITTLE DISTRICT FAR FROM TWO 70,
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FAR FROM I, UH, SIX, UH, FROM 1 61 IS AN ORPHAN AND YOU'RE TRYING TO SHINE IT UP.WHY DON'T YOU PUT ALL OF THIS IN WHAT'S LEFT? SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE FIXED ON HAVING A RESEARCH PARK FAR FROM ALL THE OTHER RESEARCH AREA OF THIS CITY.
TWO 70 HAS GOT LAND ALL ALONG IT THAT COULD BE USED FOR RESEARCH PARKS AND THEY'RE EMPTY.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY ARE MANY OF THEM.
SO WHY THIS PIG ON THE WEST SIDE OF DUBLIN WHEN YOU COULD TURN IT INTO AN ACE? SO FINALLY, THINK ABOUT IT.
YOU HAVE A CHANCE, ONCE YOU DO THIS, IT'S OVER.
DIARY PARK IS ISOLATED FROM EVERYBODY ELSE.
YOU PUT A HOUSING DISTRICT IN THIS ALL AROUND THE NORTH SIDE OF SARA RINGS DOWN INTO THIS DISTRICT, PUT THE BIKE PATHS IN, CHANGE THE ROAD, SCAPE SOME.
SO IT'S GOT A LITTLE MORE, MORE CHARACTER TO IT.
YOU'VE BUILT SOMETHING FANTASTIC FOR THE WEST SIDE OF DUBLIN.
SO I HOPE YOU'LL THINK TWICE ABOUT WHY YOU'RE BEING INERTIA, DRAGGING YOU INTO THIS DECISION.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S BETTER THAN A DATA CENTER, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S LIKE SAYING, WELL WE'RE GONNA USE A NUCLEAR BOMB.
NO, WE WON'T USE A NUCLEAR BOMB.
WE'LL JUST USE A REGULAR BOMB.
YOU HAVEN'T COME UP WITH AN ACE OF A DECISION.
YOU HAVEN'T COME UP WITH THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THE GUIDELINES FOR DUBLIN SAY YOU SHOULD HAVE.
WE WILL HAVE, WHICH IS WALKABLE, BIKEABLE FUN TO LIVE IN, EXCITED TO BE IN.
I HOPE YOU'LL RECONSIDER CONSIDERABLY THE DIRECTION YOU'RE HEADED.
I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UM, I LIVE AT 6 6 7 4 TRUQUA PLACE IN BALL, ANDRE, AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.
UM, I HAPPEN TO WORK AT THE DELAWARE COUNTY FOUNDATION AND WE'VE WORKED WITH MKSK BEFORE ON THE 23 CORRIDOR STUDY.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE.
I UNDERSTAND THE COMMITMENT, UM, THIS ROLE REQUIRES AND I PREVIOUSLY SERVED ON BOARDS OF EDUCATION FOR OLAND, TANGIE LOCAL SCHOOLS AND THE DELAWARE AREA CAREER CENTER.
I SERVED ON THE FACILITIES COMMITTEE, UH, THE POLICY COMMITTEE AND THE FINANCE AND AUDIT.
SO I HAVE WORKED WITH DEVELOPERS, SUPERINTENDENTS, COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPERS, AND I UNDERSTAND HOW THESE PARTNERSHIPS GO.
I LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY AND AS A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, I WELCOME ANYTHING THAT'S NON RESIDENTIAL, BUT ALSO IT'S BEAUTIFUL FOR A SCHOOL IN ATHLETIC FIELD.
UM, IF I WERE TO PUT ON MY BOARD MEMBER HAT, YES, I WOULD WELCOME NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT HELPS DIVERSIFY THE TAX SPACE AND DELAY THE NEEDS, UH, TO ISSUE BONDS FOR SCHOOLS.
BUT TONIGHT I COME TO YOU AS A HOMEOWNER AND MY FAMILY CHOSE TO LIVE IN DUBLIN BECAUSE OF ITS EXCEPTIONAL PLANNING.
WE MOVED HERE TO AVOID THE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES THAT WE EXPERIENCED IN POWELL WITH CROSSING THE RIVER AND THE TRAINS.
UM, AND WE TRUSTED THAT DUBLIN WOULD GET THIS RIGHT.
WE ALSO HAD TWO NON-NEGOTIABLES WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR HOME.
FIRST OF ALL, THAT WE WOULD NOT LIVE NEAR HIGH VOLTAGE POWER LINES.
I'M A CHILDHOOD CANCER SURVIVOR AND I GREW UP IN A SUBDIVISION THAT HAD HIGH VOLTAGE POWER RUNNING THROUGH IT.
AND SO THAT INFORMED MY DECISIONS.
UM, SECONDLY THAT WE WON'T LIVE NEAR SIGNIFICANT TRUCK OR VOCATIONAL TRAFFIC.
MY HUSBAND'S WORKED FOR DAIMLER TRUCKS FOR 30 PLUS YEARS, AND WE UNDERSTAND, UM, SAFETY RISKS AND WE BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CLEAR SEPARATION BETWEEN HEAVY TRAFFIC AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
UM, BOTH OF THOSE COULD BE IMPACTED BY TONIGHT, ESPECIALLY IF THE, UM, AMENDMENTS ARE NOT ADOPTED.
AND, UH, WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOME HERE, WE FULLY ANTICIPATED THAT THOSE BEAUTIFUL FARMLANDS WOULD MAYBE POTENTIALLY BE DEVELOPED INTO NEIGHBORHOODS OR MAYBE EVEN A SCHOOL, BUT WE NEVER THOUGHT THAT THERE WOULD BE SO MUCH, UM, INDUSTRIAL OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL THAT CLOSE TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SO I FEEL LIKE THIS PROCESS IS A LITTLE PREMATURE WITHOUT ENOUGH, UM, STUDIES ON THE TRAFFIC, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, AND THE TRUE, UM, FISCAL REPORTING, LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS SCENARIOS AND WHAT BUSINESSES THEY WOULD BRING IN.
SO, UM, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PROCEED WITH CAUTION AND, UM, ENSURE
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THAT STRONG CONDITIONS ARE IN PLACE AND THAT THE COMMISSION, UM, HOLDS CONTROL INSTEAD OF DELEGATING IT TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW TEAM AND UPHOLD THE, UM, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AT MINIMUM, DUBLIN WAS BUILT.UH, THEY HAVE A REPUTATION FOR BEING, UH, VERY THOUGHTFUL AND HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND WE ASK THAT THIS AREA RECEIVE THE SAME LEVEL OF CARE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
I LIVE AT 5 7 9 2 TRAF FOGGER LANE IN ENTRE.
ENTRE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD OF ALMOST A THOUSAND HOMES AND IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM COS GRAY ROAD, UM, WHERE ID SIX IS PLANNED.
IF YOU HAVEN'T DRIVEN THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND HOW VERY CLOSE WE ARE TO THIS AREA.
UM, IN RESPONSE TO A COUPLE OF THINGS TONIGHT, YOU'RE OVERESTIMATING THE DISTANCE BETWEEN INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS AND MY BACKYARD.
MY PROPERTY LINE EXTENDS HALFWAY THROUGH THE BIKE PATH THAT'S BEHIND MY HOUSE, ALONG COS GRAY ROAD.
UH, SO IT'S POSSIBLY 300 FEET, NOT 400, AND SOME PEOPLE CAN KICK A FOOTBALL THAT FAR.
THERE WAS ALSO A CLAIM THAT THE MOUND ON THE EAST SIDE OF COS GRAY BEHIND MY HOUSE, WHICH SHIELD MY VIEW OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS.
LET ME DISABUSE YOU OF THAT NOTION.
IF I'M SITTING ON MY PATIO, I CAN SEE THE CARS ON COS GRAY.
I WILL MOST CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO SEE A 45 FOOT TALL BUILDING.
I AM ASTONISHED BY THE AMOUNT OF FOCUS IN THESE DISCUSSIONS ON MOUNDS AND SETBACKS AND TREES AND THE PAUCITY OF DISCUSSION ON WHAT IS GOING ON INSIDE THESE BUILDINGS.
TO THAT END, ID SIX HAS DESCRIBED AS A RESEARCH TRANSITION DISTRICT.
I WOULD SUBMIT THAT NOTHING ABOUT ADVANCED MANUFACTURING AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IS TRANSITIONAL.
THE ONLY USE IS CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED THAT OUR TRANSITIONAL WOULD BE PARKS AND OFFICE.
SO IF THE INTENT IS TO TRULY HAVE A TRANSITIONAL AREA BETWEEN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND RESIDENTIAL, THEN I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ENCOURAGE CITY STAFF TO REMOVE MANUFACTURING AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FROM PERMITTED USES.
AT THE VERY LEAST, THEY SHOULD ONLY BE CONDITIONAL SO THAT APPLICATIONS ARE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH A MORE RIGOROUS PROCESS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY ARE APPROPRIATE ADJACENT TO OUR HOMES.
NEXT, THERE'S HARDLY ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DEFINITIONS OF ADVANCED MANUFACTURING IN ID SIX VERSUS MANUFACTURING AND ASSEMBLY IN ID TWO AND THREE.
OTHER THAN REMOVING THE WORD FINISHING AND ADDING SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT SPECIALIZATION, THE DEFINITIONS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.
GIVEN THAT, ARE YOU SUFFICIENTLY CONVINCED THAT THE DEFINITION OF ADVANCED MANUFACTURING WILL RESULT IN LOWER INTENSITY INTENDED FOR ID SIX? IF NOT, PLEASE ENCOURAGE CITY STAFF TO KEEP WORKING.
THERE'S INCONSISTENCY IN THE CODE LANGUAGE AROUND THE TERM MANUFACTURING.
CLEAN MANUFACTURING IS NOT LISTED AS A PERMITTED USE ANYWHERE IN THE WI, BUT THAT PHRASE IS USED IN THE DISTRICT INTENT LANGUAGE FOR ID ONE AND ID THREE AS WELL AS THE DEFINITION OF OFFICE FLEX.
PRESUMABLY CLEAN MANUFACTURING HAS ELEMENTS THAT ARE PREFERABLE TO UNC UNCLEAN MANUFACTURING.
TO THE EXTENT THAT'S TRUE, WHY WOULD THAT NOT BE PART OF THE CODE LANGUAGE FOR ID SIX, WHICH AGAIN IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ASK FOR A DEFINITION OF CLEAN MANUFACTURING AND CLARIFY WHETHER THAT IS ITS OWN USE AND IF SO, WHERE THAT WILL BE PERMITTED.
WHOLESALING, WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION IS LISTED AS A PERMITTED ACCESSORY USE, BUT THERE'S NO CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT CONSTITUTES AN ACCESSORY USE.
COULD THAT BE UP TO 49% OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? IF SO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCESSORY.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DIRECT STAFF TO DEFINE ACCESSORY USE WITH MEASURABLE STANDARDS.
LASTLY, SOME OF WHAT YOU HEARD IN THE PRESENTATION BY THE CODE CONSULTANT IS NOT ACTUALLY CONTAINED IN THE CODE LANGUAGE.
I THINK OTHERS WILL PROBABLY CORRECT THE COMMENTS ON ROOFTOP SCREENING AND GROUND SIDES.
SO I'LL JUST ADD THAT THE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED ROAD BACK ROADMAP INDICATED SETBACKS ARE MEASURED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OR FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.
THE CURRENT DRAFT LANGUAGE STATES THAT SPEC ARE REQUIRED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT AWAY.
IT DOES NOT REFERENCE FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY PLANTED TO MORE THAN DOUBLE THE SIZE OF COSWAY ROAD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.
UH, THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO'S HERE TONIGHT, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION STAFF, AND OF COURSE THE CONSULTANTS WHO PRESENTED.
I APPRECIATE THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS PLANNING AND ZONING.
I I DID SEND, UH, SENT A LOT MORE DETAILED COMMENTS, BUT I THINK FOR PUBLIC AWARENESS, I WANTED TO MAKE A FEW HIGHLIGHTS TO, UH, EMPHASIZE KEY POINTS.
THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE IT SEEMED WE SPENT 80% OF OUR TIME TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING.
AND FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, UNFORTUNATELY TONIGHT WE DID THE SAME THING.
AND I KNOW EVEN, I'M SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME IN THE GRAY SWEATER THAT PRESENTED, BUT, UM, HE SAID, WE WANT TO MINIMIZE TOXIC INPUTS, BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE INPUTS.
THERE'S BYPRODUCTS OF MANUFACTURING THAT ARE GONNA CREATE TOXIC BYPRODUCTS.
THERE'S GONNA BE WASTE STREAMS THAT
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ARE GENERATED AS A RESULT OF ADVANCED MANUFACTURING.WE HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED ON ANY OF THAT.
SURE, IT HAS TO BE CONTAINED INSIDE THE BUILDING, BUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WASTE STREAM? WHAT'S BEING PRODUCED INSIDE OF THESE FACILITIES? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE REALLY CONCERNED BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO IT ADDRESSES THE PROCESSES, BUT AGAIN, NOT THE WASTE STREAMS. RIGHT.
I THINK ALSO THERE ARE, AS MENTIONED, SOME SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ADVANCED MANUFACTURING AND CLEAN MANUFACTURING.
I'M REQUESTING THAT THE CODE PROVIDE THAT DEFINITION OF CLEAN MANUFACTURING AND INCLUDES SOME OF THE CHARACTERISTICS OF BOTH ADVANCED MANUFACTURING AND CLEAN MANUFACTURING.
I HAVE SUBMITTED COMMENTS TO STAFF TO, TO TRY TO LIST OUT SOME OF THOSE CHARACTERISTICS SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THEY'VE NOT BEEN REFLECTED YET.
FOR EXAMPLE, ADVANCED MANUFACTURING SEEKS TO TREAT POLLUTION AFTER IT IS CREATED, WHEREAS CLEAN MANUFACTURING PREVENTS POLLUTION AT THE SOURCE.
WITHOUT THIS, I CAN'T SEE HOW THE CITY, THE WID BUSINESSES RESIDENTS AND THOSE WHO UTILIZE THE PREMIUM ATHLETIC RECREATION COMPLEX WILL BE PROTECTED FROM POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS TOXIC SUBSTANCES THAT ARE BYPRODUCTS OR EMISSIONS OF AN ADVANCED MANUFACTURING FACILITY.
AND WHILE IT'S AN EXTREME EXAMPLE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE CODE WOULD PROTECT AN ADVANCED MANUFACTURER TO PRODUCE ANTHRAX.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE PROTECTIONS FOR THAT.
ADDITIONALLY, THE PERMUTED, UH, USE TABLE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING IS PER PERMITTED, BUT IT MANUFACTURING AND ASSEMBLY IS LEFT BLANK.
DOES THIS MEAN THAT A MANUFACTURER OR ASSEMBLER WHO DOES NOT USE COMPUTER CONTROLLED PROCESSES AND ROBOTICS IS NOT PERMITTED IN ID SIX? THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS WE NEED TO CONSIDER HOW THESE ITEMS ARE BEING USED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CLARITY.
DUBLIN KNOWS RETAIL, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING.
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND MANUFACTURING AND I THINK THAT'S EVIDENT IN THE CODE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT.
WE'VE TOUCHED ONLY ON THE SURFACE.
THERE'S SO MUCH MORE THAT HAS TO BE GIVEN CAREFUL CONSIDERATION.
ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED INSIDE OF THE EPA IN REGARDS TO IRIS, WHICH IS THE RISK OR THE INTEGRATED RISK INFORMATION SYSTEMS, PLEASE DO SO IF ENACTED THE INDEPENDENT SCIENCE-BASED FUNCTION THAT EVALUATES THE IMPACTS OF TOXIC CHEMICALS AND EXPOSURE LIMITS COULD BE WEAKENED AND PLACED UNDER THE REGULATORY FUNCTION OF THE EPA, LEAVING IT SUSCEPTIBLE TO PRESSURE FROM POLITICS AND INDUSTRY.
I CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL WHEN WE DESCRIBE WHAT CAN GO ON INSIDE OF ID SIX, WE HAVE FURTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.
DUBLIN WANTS TO BE A SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY AND WE ALL WANNA LIVE IN A COMMUNITY JUST LIKE THAT.
BUT THE CODE IS PROPOSED, IN MY OPINION, DOES NOT GO FAR ENOUGH TO REALIZE THAT V VISION AND PROVIDE THE CITY BUSINESS AND RESIDENCE THE PROTECTIONS THAT WE ALL EXPECT AND RESPECT AND DESERVE.
FINALLY, PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT TYPE OF ZONING CODE YOU YOURSELF WOULD WANT.
IF YOU LIVED IN ENTRE, WOULD YOU WANT, WOULD YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FEEL SAFE? IT'S ALWAYS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
SO PLEASE ASK STAFF TO GO BACK, PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CLARITY AROUND THIS CODE SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN BE PROTECTED AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
IT'S A RISK MANAGEMENT ISSUE FOR STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.
I RESIDE AT 58 84 BARON'S COURT.
WAY IN RE UM, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED.
I DO HAVE A CONCERN, UM, WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
UH, IT RELIES ON VAGUE INTENT LANGUAGE INSTEAD OF CLEAR ENFORCEABLE STANDARDS, WHICH LEAVES RESIDENTS LIKE ME WITH UNCERTAINTY ABOUT TRAFFIC, FLEET VEHICLES AND DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONAL IMPACTS.
AS MY NEIGHBOR MENTIONED, UM, CLEAN MANUFACTURING DOES NOT HAVE A STANDALONE DEFINITION.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS NO MEASURABLE STANDARDS TO SUPPORT THAT LABEL.
THE CODE ASSUMES IMPACTS WILL BE LOW WITHOUT DEFINING HOW LOW, HOW MEASURED, AND HOW ENFORCED.
WHAT'S MISSING ARE OBJECTIVE LIMITS LIKE NOISE THRESHOLDS, DELIVERY FREQUENCY, OR VEHICLE COUNTS, ESPECIALLY CRITICAL WHEN THIS DISTRICT SITS ACROSS FROM HOMES AS WRITTEN, CLEAN IS AN ASSUMPTION AND NOT A CODIFIED REQUIREMENT.
FLEET VEHICLES WERE NOT PART OF THE ID SIX ROADMAP, YET THEY WERE INTRODUCED WITHOUT CLEAR LIMITS.
THE AMENDMENTS DON'T SPECIFY HOW MANY FLEET TRUCKS ARE ALLOWED, WHERE THEY PARK WHEN THEY DEPART, OR HOW CLOSE THEY CAN BE TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINES.
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FOR NEIGHBORS THAT MATTERS WITHOUT, UH, NUMER CAPS OR LOCATION RULES.A SITE COULD FUNCTION LIKE A DISPATCH YARD, WHICH IS DISRUPTIVE TO DAILY LIFE.
THE ID SIX INTENT MENTIONS MENTIONS LIMITED TRAFFIC, BUT THERE ARE NO ENFORCEABLE TRAFFIC STANDARDS, NO TRIP CAPS, NO TIME OF DAY RESTRICTIONS, AND NO DELIVERY LIMITS FOR SOMEONE LIVING ACROSS THE STREET.
TRAFFIC IS ONE OF THE MOST NOTICEABLE IMPACTS EARLY MORNING DEPARTURES, MIDDAY DISPATCHES AND EVENING RETURNS.
WITHOUT STANDARDS, LIMITED TRAFFIC BECOMES SUBJECTIVE AND DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.
WHY THIS MATTERS FOR RESIDENTS, THE VAGUE LANGUAGE SHIFTS RISK FROM CODE TO RESIDENTS.
WHAT'S APPROVED TODAY SETS EXPECTATIONS FOR DECADES WITHOUT CLEAR STANDARDS.
ENFORCEMENTS BECOME SUBJECTIVE AND NEIGHBORS ARE LEFT REACTING AFTER IMPACTS OCCUR.
RATHER THAN BEING PROTECTED UPFRONT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE CITY STAFF TO STRENGTHEN THE ID.
BY ADDING ENFORCEABLE STANDARDS, CLEAR DEFINITIONS FOR CLEAN MANUFACTURING, NUMERIC LIMITS OR RULES FOR FLEET VEHICLES AND OBJECTIVE TRAFFIC CONTROLS, ESPECIALLY WHERE THE DISTRICT DIRECTLY BORDERS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS CAN BE DONE WHILE STILL SUPPORTING INNOVATION.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THE PERSPECTIVE OF THOSE OF US WHO LIVE ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, FIRST THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
UM, I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR YOUR HELP IN SAFEGUARDING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS YOU'RE EVALUATING THE NEW CODE LANGUAGE FOR THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, I'M ASKING THAT YOU CHANGE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FROM PERMITTED USE TO CONDITIONAL USE.
DOING SO WILL ADD NEEDED PROTECTIONS FOR DUBLIN RESIDENTS.
BEFORE I GET INTO THE RATIONALE, I DO WANNA EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR THE PROGRESS THAT OF THE CODE CHANGES TO DATE.
EXCLUDING DATA CENTERS FROM ANY ZONING IS A SIGNIFICANT MILESTONE.
I DO HOPE THAT THIS GOES TO THE OTHER PARTS OF DUBLIN AND COVERS, UM, AREAS OUTSIDE THE WIT AS WELL BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE RAMIFICATIONS OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO SIGN MY PETITION TO BAN THEM IN OHIO, I HAVE THEM HERE.
I HAVE THE PETITION HERE TONIGHT.
UM, DUE TO THE ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN BALANCE TRAY IS LITERALLY SURROUNDED BY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN AND THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT.
I PERSONALLY FEEL BETRAYED BY CITY STAFF WHO SEEMINGLY DID NOT CONSIDER THE CONSEQUENCES OF THESE PLANS TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AS YOU'VE SEEN FIRSTHAND, THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS PROPOSALS ON YOUR DOCKET OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS FROM IRISH VILLAGE TO AVERY CROSSING TO EMERALD PARKWAY TO COS GRAY CO CROSSING.
OUR FAMILY FRIENDLY LANDSCAPE COULD CHANGE DRAMATICALLY AND WE'RE CONCERNED.
WE DO NOT WANT SIX STORY HOTELS DOWN THE ROAD AND SEMIS ON OUR STREETS.
WHAT WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS RESIDENTIAL AND AFFORDABLE SENIOR LIVING OPTIONS.
BUT IT HAS BEEN MADE CLEAR THOSE ARE NOT ON THE TABLE.
ALTHOUGH WE APPRECIATE CITY COUNCIL DELAYING AND REVISING THE CODE FOR THE WI, WE DO NOT FEEL SAFE WITH THE CURRENT PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
JUST LOOK A FEW MILES AWAY TO HILLIARD, WHERE AMAZON IS BYPASSING CITY COUNCIL ENTIRELY TO INSTALL AN UNPROVEN CONTROVERSIAL FUEL CELL TECHNOLOGY NEAR AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND JUST ACROSS COS FROM US IS A DATA CENTER THAT DUBLIN APPROVED.
NOT EVEN I WOULD'VE SUPE SUSPECTED THAT MY NE NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE TO SMELL THE DIESEL FUEL IN THE MORNING WHEN THEY WAKE.
SO I CALL ON YOU TO USE YOUR POSITION AS HISTORY HAS PROVEN, THERE'S NO WAY TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE REPERCUSSIONS OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT IS WHY TODAY I ASK YOU TO DIRECT CITY STAFF TO ADD AN EXTRA LAYER OF SAFETY BY MAKING ANY ADVANCED MANUFACTURING OR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT USES CONDITIONAL.
BY DOING SO TOGETHER WE COULD ALL HAVE THE TIME TO INVESTIGATE RESEARCH AND TRULY UNDERSTAND THE LASTING IMPACTS ANY DEVELOPMENT WOULD MAKE TO OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
THE EPA IS NO LONGER PROTECTING US.
MUNICIPALITIES HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER UTILITIES OR ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS.
ALL WE HAVE IS YOU STAFF AND OUR ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PROTECT US.
MY ADDRESS IS 5 7 4 9 TRAFALGAR LANE.
I WILL LOOK UP AT THESE 45 FOOT BUILDINGS FROM MY FRONT BEDROOM WINDOW.
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CONCERNS ON THE WEEKEND LANGUAGE IN THE THIS VERSION OF THE CODE REGARDING THE SETBACK SCREENING AND BUILDING HEIGHT.THIS WAS THE MAIN THING SHARED AT THE LAST PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, BUT HAS SINCE BEEN ADJUSTED PROVIDING US LESS SCREENING FROM WHAT WILL BE BUILT HERE.
THIS WAS LOUD AND CLEAR CONCERN FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURVEY RESULTS GATHERED BY THE VOLUNTARY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, WHICH YOU WERE PROVIDED PRIOR TO THE LAST MEETING.
I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS HAS BEEN WALKED BACK.
WE HEARD ABOUT THE PLAN FOR TREES AND THE SETBACK FROM DAY ONE TONIGHT.
WHAT WAS SHARED WAS THAT VERY SMALL TWO TO THREE INCH TREES WOULD BE PLANTED SINCE COST PROHIBITED.
THAT TREE SCREENING THAT TAKES 20 YEARS TO DEVELOP IS NO SCREENING AT ALL.
I PROVIDED THIS FEEDBACK IN OUR COMMUNITY SURVEY AND THIS CONCERN WAS RAISED AT THE LAST MEETING AND I SEE NO RESPONSE IN THE CURRENT CODE LANGUAGE TREE HEIGHT MINIMUMS WERE ONCE THERE AND NOW REMOVED.
WHY THE PRIOR CODE LANGUAGE DRAFT SAID SCREENING AND EQUIPMENT WAS INCLUDED IN THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
NOW ONLY SCREENING IS WHY WAS THAT REMOVED.
ALSO, GROUND SIGNS WERE PREVIOUSLY PROHIBITED ON COS GRAY.
NOW THEY'RE ONLY PROHIBITED IN THE SETBACK.
SO NOW NOT ONLY WILL WE BE DEALING WITH LIGHT POLLUTION, BUT OVERALL INDUSTRIAL UGLINESS NEGATIVELY AFFECTING OUR PROPERTY VALUES.
THE CITY IS YET TO PROVIDE A SINGLE MANUFACTURING TYPE BUILDING ANYWHERE NEAR RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN THE ENTIRE CITY.
FOR US TO HAVE AS REFERENCE, HAVING THE TWO TO ONE SCALE OF A 45 FOOT TALL BUILDING ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL TWO STORY NEIGHBORHOOD WILL DO NOTHING BUT DETRACT FROM THE AESTHETICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN OUR PROPERTY VALUES.
I LEARNED THE CITY CONSULTED DUBLIN BUILDING SYSTEMS DURING THIS PROCESS TO SEE WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF HEIGHT.
THEY SAID BUILDINGS COULD BE LESS THAN 45 FEET, YET THE PLAN REMAINS AT 45 FEET.
MUCH LIKE THE FEEDBACK YOU OFFERED FOR A RECENT PROPOSED EMERALD PARKWAY DEVELOPMENT, WE SHOULD CONSIDER LOWER BUILDING HEIGHTS AT COS GR NEAR OUR HOMES TRANSITIONING HIGHER THAN TAPERING DOWN FOR RESIDENTS OR WARD ROAD.
IF THAT WAS APPROPRIATE FEEDBACK FOR APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN A COMMERCIAL AREA, IT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE A CONSIDERATION FOR RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO INDUSTRIAL.
ANYTHING TO HELP WITH THE TRANSITION.
I'M THE LAST OF THE RESIDENTS OF ENTRE THAT ORGANIZED AHEAD OF TIME TO SPEAK HERE TONIGHT.
SOME OF US MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN IT WAS NEW 2004 HERE.
SOME HAVE MOVED IN MORE RECENTLY, BUT ALL OF US PURCHASED HOMES HERE AS MOST PEOPLE DO FOR THE PROMISE OF A SAFE, SECURE PLACE TO BUILD OUR FEATURES WITH OUR FAMILIES.
I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE CITY CHANGED THEIR VIEW ON THIS AREA, NO LONGER SEEING THE UPSCALE RESIDENTIAL PARADE OF HOMES COMMUNITY.
IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE, BUT RATHER A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA FOR YOU.
THIS MAY BE A NUMERICAL DESIGNATION ON A MAP FOR YOU.
THIS MAY BE A WAY TO MAKE MORE INCOME AND FOR YOU, WE MAY JUST BE A GROUP OF TROUBLEMAKERS STANDING IN THE WAY OF PROGRESS.
WE HAVE LIVED HERE FOR DECADES.
WE PLAN TO CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE FOR DECADES MORE AND WE JUST WANT OUR FAMILIES TO BE SAFE AND OUR PROPERTY VALUES TO NOT BE AT RISK.
PLEASE HELP GUIDE DECISIONS AND CODE ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE THAT SO.
GOOD EVENING NAME'S TODD HEER.
UM, THIS IS TOUGH BECAUSE TODAY WE TALK ABOUT ID SIX AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME IMPROVEMENTS, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S WRITTEN AS COS GRAY COS GRAY COS GRAY.
SO NOW IT'S BEEN DESIGNED FOR A PACIFIC AREA ONLY.
MEANWHILE, ALL THE PEOPLE ON CHAR ROAD, WE HAVE STATES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ABOUT 40 DIFFERENT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN IGNORED, COMPLETELY IGNORED.
THE LAND USE ACTUALLY SHOWS THIS.
SO ALL YOUR MAPS ARE KIND OF LIKE IGNORING THE PEOPLE ON HOARD ROAD.
IT'S VERY, VERY FRUSTRATING, HONESTLY SPEAKING.
YOU'VE MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PEOPLE ON BALANCE TRAY, BUT ID THREE ON HOARD ROAD WITH ALL THE RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE ON HOO ROAD HAD NOTHING'S BEEN ADDRESSED.
NOT, NOT A, NOT A PARTICULAR MEETING, NO DISCUSSION.
SO ID THREE PERMITS, HEAVY USE OF POWER PLANTS SO WE COULD HAVE A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT, A COAL FACTORY, A LARGE, UH, SUBSTATIONS, 150 FEET FROM OUR HOMES.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THAT AT YOUR HOME? 150 FEET, FEET AWAY.
MASSIVE INDUSTRIAL, UH, APPLICATIONS ARE PERMITTED.
WE COULD HAVE A WORTHINGTON INDUSTRY, WE COULD HAVE A BATTERY FACTORY.
WE COULD HAVE ANYTHING IS PERMITTED, FULLY PERMITTED AT LARGE SCALE.
WE'VE GONE TO SO MANY MEETINGS, I CAN'T EVEN COUNT.
AND WE'VE TALKED TO STAFF, WE'VE ASKED THEM, WE'VE COMPLAINED, WE'VE MADE PROPOSALS TO HOW TO MITIGATE THIS.
THING'S BEEN REMOVED IS DATA CENTERS.
YOU'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT ID THREE YET.
YET YOU'RE GONNA GO TO COUNCIL AND PROPOSE IT'S OKAY FOR ALL THE PEOPLE ON HOOCHIE ROAD.
AND BY THE WAY, IT'LL AFFECT THE PEOPLE IN BALANCE RATE TWO MASS WAREHOUSES.
WE CAN HAVE A FEDEX UPS, A MASSIVE AMAZON WAREHOUSE.
NO SCALE CAN BE LIMITED ON HOO ROAD 150 FEET AWAY.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO ANYONE
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HERE ON THE BOARD? YOU ARE ONLY STOPGAP HERE.PLEASE INSTRUCT AGAINST STAFF.
MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A TRANSITION.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING TO MEET WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, BEEN ASKING TO MEET WITH CITY STAFF.
WE FEEL COMPLETELY SACRIFICED COMPLETELY.
DAVID MET WITH THE JESUS AND SAID, OH, WOULD YOU SACRIFICE 50 PEOPLE? HE SAID, NO.
HE KEPT ASKING AND ASKING, ASKING.
HE DROVE IT DOWN TO ONE PERSON.
HE SAID, NO, HE WOULD NOT SACRIFICE THAT CITY.
YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO SACRIFICE ALL OF US ON HOOT ROAD FOR GROWTH WITH NO TRANSITION, NO COMPASSION, NO EMPATHY.
WHEN IS IT GONNA START? WHEN ARE WE GONNA HAVE SOME RESULT FOR HOARD ROAD AND THE IMPACT OF BALANCE TRADE ID THREE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
I'M HIS NEIGHBOR AND WE HAVE REPEATEDLY BEEN REQUESTING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MEETINGS TO DISCUSS THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, UH, BASED ON THE ID THREE, ET CETERA.
YOU'VE WORKED VERY WELL WITH BALANCER TO TRY TO IMPROVE THEIR SITUATION AND I WANT TO KNOW WHEN ARE YOU GONNA GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE SAME CONSIDERATION? SIR, I THINK TONIGHT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ID SIX.
WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT OTHER AREAS OF THE WIND.
SO IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE ID SIX ZONING AND THE BUFFER STUDY, BE GLAD TO, UH, HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS.
WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE SEEMS PRETTY, UH, PRETTY MUCH AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT WE'RE CONCERNED WHERE DO WE COME IN AND WHO SHOULD ROAD COMMUNITY UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES THAT YOU'VE GIVEN BALL, ANDRE? SO I THINK THAT WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT REALLY A BACK AND FORTH TIME.
IT'S THE TIME FOR COMMENT TO BE MADE AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO LISTEN, UM, TO THAT COMMENT AND NOT FOR A BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATION.
THE, AS AS CHAIRMAN, UH, WAY SAID, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY EAST OF HOARD ROAD AND WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS HAS ALREADY GONE TO COUNCIL.
UM, THAT ORDINANCE WAS TABLED LAST YEAR AND REMAINS ON THE TABLE AT THIS TIME.
AND THE CODE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED, UM, THE BUFFERING STUDY THAT WAS PRESENTED, THOSE ARE THE TOPICS FOR THIS EVENING.
SO THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA GET AN ANSWER ON WHEN WE HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY THAT ENTRE HAD.
THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS EVENING'S MEETING.
QUESTION HOW I AM TELLING YOU THE PURPOSE OF THIS EVENING'S MEETING IS THE ID SIX CODE AMENDMENT AND BUFFERING STUDY.
AND WHAT LIMITS THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE? I MEAN, IT'S OPEN FOR, ISN'T IT? YOU, YOU'VE MADE A COMMENT, YOU'VE MADE YOUR COMMENT.
THIS IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
WHO, WHO'S NEXT? PLEASE STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
IT IS ON AND READY FOR YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
OH HI, JENNIFER HAMILL, 57 25 TRAFALGAR LANE.
UM, FIRST I WANNA START BY SAYING THAT SOME MEMBERS IN OUR GROUP HAVE RECENTLY SPOKEN WITH ENGINEERS AT HONDA AND THEY EXPLAINED AT HONDA THAT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES PUTTING CARS OR ENGINES ON BLOCKS
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AND LETTING THEM RUN INTO TILL THEY FAIL.THAT'S PART OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WHERE DO YOU THINK ALL OF THE ADMISSIONS FROM THOSE CARS GO IN RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO ALLOW OUT? SMOKE STACKS.
UM, AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HAMILL MANUFACTURING UP OUTSIDE OF TOLEDO THAT BUILDS THESE GIANT TURBINE THINGS THAT THEY ACTUALLY USE IN DATA CENTER.
SORRY, UM, OUT THE ADMISSIONS GO OUTSIDE, THAT'S WHERE THEY GO.
UM, THAT'S AN ADVANCED MANUFACTURING FACILITY THAT BY THE WAY, EMPLOYS A WHOPPING 10 PEOPLE BECAUSE MOST OF THEM DON'T EMPLOY A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO NOT A LOT OF TAX GENERATION THERE.
UM, SO THE CODE AS IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW DOESN'T ADDRESS THINGS LIKE SMOKE STACKS.
IT DOESN'T ADDRESS ALL THE THINGS THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND ASKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF SAFETY.
I WORKED FOR THE OHIO LEGISLATIVE SERVICE COMMISSION FOR 10 YEARS.
I KNOW CODE AND HOW TO WRITE IT.
THIS IS NOT VERY WELL WRITTEN CODE AS IT STANDS.
THE USE OF SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE CODE IS SO AMBIGUOUS THAT IT'S OPENING THE CITY UP FOR LAWSUITS BY PEOPLE LIKE THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS WHO OWN NOT ONLY THE ID SIX AREA, BUT ALSO THE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING ACROSS HOCHI ROAD FOR ID THREE.
THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WANT RESIDENTIAL, THEY ACTUALLY PROPOSED PRIOR TO THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU GUYS PASSED THIS AND SAID, OKAY, IT CAN BE ID TWO.
LIKE LAST YEAR WHEN JENNY ROUSH STOOD UP HERE AND SAID THAT THERE ARE NO NO NO DEVELOPERS HAD TURNED A PROPOSAL IN FOR THIS LAND, IT'S FINE, NOT TRUE.
THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY HAD TURNED IN PROPOSALS ON AT LEAST TWO OCCASIONS AT THAT TIME FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO BE TARGETED TOWARD PEOPLE WHO ARE 55 AND OVER MODERATE DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT GOING TO BE ID TWO OR ID THREE.
THE SAME PROPERTY OWNERS OWN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT THE HOCHER ROAD FOLKS ARE TALKING ABOUT, ALL OF THE RESIDENTS.
SO TWO OF THE THREE STAKEHOLDERS WANT RESIDENTIAL.
I GET THAT YOU HAVE YOUR INSTRUCTIONS, BUT I THOUGHT YOU GUYS HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKBONE, PARTICULARLY YOU MR. WAY TO GO BACK TO COUNSEL AND SAY WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND WHAT WE'RE HEARING DOESN'T REALLY MATCH WHAT YOU'VE GIVEN US.
IS THERE MAYBE A NEED TO LOOK AT THIS? AGAIN, YOU CAN DO THAT.
IT'S WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO, WHETHER OR NOT YOU CARE ENOUGH TO, OR IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA BE STEAMROLLED BY WHAT APPEARS TO BE CITY STAFF REALLY VERSUS WHAT CITY COUNCIL WANTS, WHO'S REALLY IN CHARGE.
I LIVE AT 66 92 ROUNDSTONE LOOP IN THE LAKES AT PALANT TREE.
I'M THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION AT, UH, THE LAKES AT BALL TRADE.
UH, I WOULD JUST ECHO THE, THE SENTIMENTS THAT SOME OF THE OTHER RESIDENTS HAVE, UH, PUT FORTH TONIGHT ABOUT ASKING FOR, ASKING THE CITY FOR MORE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS REGARDING, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE CALLING MINIMIZING ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MINIMIZE IS A VERY SUBJECTIVE TERM AND I THINK THAT, UM, YOU ALL, UM, SHOULD WANT TO KNOW MORE, UH, UH, MORE ABOUT THE STANDARDS AND AS RESIDENTS WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SO THAT WE CAN, UH, SO THAT WE CAN KNOW WHAT IS APPROPRIATE, UH, TO OBJECT TO AND WHAT WE, WHAT IS WITHIN STANDARDS IN REGARDS TO PARTICULAR MATTER IN THE AIR, SOUND, NOISE, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND GOING ALONG WITH THAT, THE BYPRODUCTS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING BEHIND THE BUFFERS IS THE CONCERN THAT I THINK A LOT OF YOU ARE HEARING HERE, AND WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT BUFFERS.
THE FACT THAT WE HAVE BUFFERS AND WE CAN'T SEE WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUFFERS, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S NOTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUFFERS.
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UM, SO WE CAN HAVE THE MOST ELABORATE BUFFERS THAT WE WANT, BUT WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHAT IS GOING ON.NOT ONLY WHAT CAN WE CAN SEE, BUT WHAT IS GOING ON BEHIND THOSE BUFFERS, I THINK IS A, IS A HUGE CONCERN AMONG THE RESIDENTS THAT YOU'RE HERE TALKING.
UM, TONIGHT, WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE.
WE'RE, UM, IN, IN CLARIFYING SOME OF THE LANGUAGE, BUT I THINK SOME ADDITIONAL MEAT NEEDS TO BE PUT ON THE BONES OF, UH, SOME OF THE AREAS THAT, UM, THE RESIDENTS OF BALL, ANDRE AND HOCHER ROAD, AND OTHER AREAS AROUND THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
ANY OTHER FOLKS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS TONIGHT? I'M GONNA DO MY COUNTDOWN, ONE PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND, UM, IT'S NOW TIME FOR THE COMMISSION TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT BEFORE US TONIGHT.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S NO, NO OUTCOME FROM TONIGHT.
THESE ARE JUST COMMENTS AS PART OF THE PROCESS OF, FOR THE RECORD, MR. CHIN, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA CALL YOU.
SO, UH, AS ALWAYS, UM, IT'S A PROCESS.
AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED AND WE HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'VE HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I, I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY WORKED DILIGENTLY TO MAKE THIS FUNCTION, BUT SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING ABOUT ID SIX, NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE PROPERTY AND THE OTHER ADJACENT AREAS, UM, BUT RELATED TO ID SIX ONLY, AND, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE ENVISION DUBIN PROCESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF THIS CONVERSATION AND OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW TONIGHT.
UM, I THINK WE ADDRESSED THE COMMENTS OR THE QUESTIONS AT HAND ARE SPECIFIC.
UM, I, I, I, I DO APPRECIATE, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE MOUNDING, UM, AND THE, AND THE SCREENING.
I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S, AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, OR THERE'S A BIG INVESTMENT THERE AND, AND A AND A, UM, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THIS, WHICH I THINK IS, I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE THAT'S VERY POSITIVE.
I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE, UM, NEED FOR A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING AND TALKING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY.
I KNOW GARY BROUGHT UP THE, THE WIND TURBINE.
I, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK THERE'S SOME SUSTAINABLE NATURE WE COULD ADD IN HERE TO, UM, CLARIFY.
UM, IF WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING RE RE RELATED TO, UM, BYPRODUCT AND CLEAN MANUFACTURING, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A POSITIVE, UM, POSITIVE, UH, ADDITIONS TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.
UM, BUT I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE IS HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS, TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INPUT, AND OBVIOUSLY APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORTS EVERYBODY'S GONE THROUGH.
WE'VE HIRED CONSULTANTS, WE'VE, WE'VE PO TABLED THIS WHOLE THING SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT.
AND I THINK EVEN THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT SAYS WE'RE STILL TAKING THE STEPS TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT.
AND I THINK THIS WHOLE PROCESS WITH THE INPUT OF THE EXPERTS, THE COMMUNITY COUNCILS, STAFF, UH, US, I THINK IT'S JUST ALL WORKING.
AND I THINK WE'RE DEFINITELY GETTING THERE.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT IS WE NEED TO MAYBE ADD SOME CLARIFICATION TO THE PROCESS.
AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS I APPRECIATE ADDING THE, UH, ROOFTOP SCREENING TO THE HEIGHT, UH, BUILDING HEIGHT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN, UM, LIKE WE DO IN OTHER CA CASES.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S ALL I'D LIKE TO, UM, I GUESS, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE MORE CONVERSATION, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL OR, UH,
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
AND, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE BEING HERE.
IT'S IMPORTANT, AND YOU'VE BEEN PART OF THE PROCESS FROM THE BEGINNING, WHICH IS, UM, MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THAT, UM, PEOPLE ARE HEARING.
UM, ALSO, UH, THANK YOU, UM, FOR YOUR, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.
I THINK EACH TIME WE HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UM, WHERE THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I, I THINK THE LANDSCAPING SITUATIONS IS GOING QUITE WELL.
I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, UH, THAT EVERYTHING IS, IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE AND, AND WHAT THE INTENT IS.
AND YOU WERE VERY GOOD TO SAY THAT THE FIRST ONE OUTTA THE GATE IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE, THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO TO MATTER.
AND, AND THEN TOO THAT THE OTHER ONES ARE FOLLOWING.
AND ALSO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF AND, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEES AND SO FORTH ARE TOGETHER ON MAKING SURE THAT THINGS RUN THROUGH THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE.
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AGAIN, ALL THIS HAS BEEN ABOUT CLARITY.AND I THINK WHEN WE GET TO CERTAIN POINTS OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING, IS THAT CLARITY.
EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM SHOULD BE ABLE TO READ IT AND UNDERSTAND.
I THINK WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS THE, THE DEVELOPERS BEING ABLE TO, UM, UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY THE DIRECTION THEY NEED TO GO.
UM, BUT IT'S ALSO THAT EVERYONE IN THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT AS WELL TOO, WHICH IS, UM, UH, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, UM, IN THAT REGARD AS WELL TOO, UM, WITH THE QUESTIONS.
I, UM, SO, SO THE VAGUENESS AND SO FORTH TO ME, UM, UH, HAS TO BE, UH, HAS TO BE VERY UNDERSTANDABLE.
UM, CONDITIONAL USE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
IT REALLY KIND OF BRINGS IT BACK TO, IS THIS THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO DO? SO I WOULD, UM, HOPE THAT WE WOULD TAKE A STRONGER LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT FOR ADVANCED MAN MANUFACTURING, THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, KEEP THINKING ABOUT THAT.
I WAS LOOKING FOR THINGS ABOUT, UH, THE TRUCKS AND THE TIMELINES IN THE EVENINGS AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT, OR EARLY MORNINGS THAT THEY'RE COMING IN.
WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN OTHER AREAS TOO.
SO MAYBE WE CAN, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS, WAS WRITTEN ABOUT THAT TOO.
AND, UM, MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS TO ME, UM, IS SO, SO IMPORTANT.
I THINK WHEN YOU'VE COME TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, THERE'S BEEN OPPORTUNITIES RIGHT AFTER THAT THEN TO GO OUT IN THE HALL AND TALK.
AND IF THAT, IF, IF THAT CAN HAPPEN HERE, IF IT CAN HAPPEN BACK IN, BACK IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
AND, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE YOU CAN START NOW MEETING WITH CHER ROAD PEOPLE AS WELL.
AND YOU HAVE YOUR CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE TOO.
UM, THEY SHOULD BE REACHING OUT WITH YOU TOO AS WELL THERE.
UM, THE, THE ONE THING TOO, UM, ABOUT, UM, THE TREES, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE, THEY'RE STILL A BIT SMALL TO ME, UM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME FOR THEM TO GO AND FOR US TO REAP THE BENEFITS OF THAT.
UM, AND I STILL WANNA HEAR SOME THINGS, UM, THE CLARITY, BUT ALSO THINKING OUTTA THE BOX, LIKE WHAT COULD HAPPEN ONE DAY THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT.
AND IF THERE'S, IF, IF WE'RE KIND OF PREPARING OURSELVES FOR THE, THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, UH, AS WELL AS THINKING ON THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, STRATEGIES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
I LIKE THAT, UH, THE 200 SETBACK AND MORE.
UM, I GOT THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT I REALLY AM GOING TO SEE THROUGH A LOT OF TREES AND, AND OTHER MATERIALS ALONG THE WAY.
SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT, AND I DO SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE THAT HAS HAPPENED HERE FROM THE LAST TIME WE MET.
UM, I TH I THINK, WELL, I, I MADE MY SUGGESTIONS EARLIER, SO YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.
I AM SENSITIVE TO THE COMMENTS WE MADE ABOUT TOXIC OUTPUTS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ANTICIPATE AND MEASURE EVERYTHING, BUT I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND, AND I THINK, AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED IN GENERAL TERMS SOMETIMES WHAT DEFINES A NUISANCE, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NOISE, WE'VE TALKED IN GENERAL TERMS, WHAT DEFINES THAT.
BUT I THINK WITH THIS ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, AND I'VE READ, I'VE READ THE, THE SECTION OF THE DRAFT OF THE CODE TWICE, AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT OUTPUTS, BUT I, I DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT I, I DO, I AM SENSITIVE TO THOSE COMMENTS AND I, I HOPE WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
UM, BUT I DO THINK YOU HAVE MADE MODIFICATIONS SINCE WE WERE LAST TOGETHER.
AND SO THE THINGS ABOUT INPUT AND BEING MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE WERE DEFINITELY POSITIVE ADDITIONS TO THIS.
AND I THINK THE, UH, I THINK THE BUFFER STUDY'S OUTSTANDING.
SO, UM, I, I DO THINK IT'S GONNA PLACE A SIGNIFICANT BURDEN ON DEVELOPERS, BUT IT WILL ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY.
WHERE TO START? UM, SO I'LL START WITH THE LANDSCAPING.
LIKE I SAID PREVIOUSLY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS PROBABLY THE MOST UNDERTAKING WE'VE HAD FOR CREATING A LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
SO I THINK THAT WAS A REAL IMPROVEMENT.
AND AS AN ARCHITECT LOOKING AT THE SIGHT LINES THAT WERE PRESENTED THERE, UM, I THINK THERE WILL BE LESS LIMITED VIEWS OF, UM, THE TALLER HEIGHT BUILDINGS THAN PEOPLE ACTUALLY REALIZE WITH THAT.
SO, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, I WAS, UM, SUPPORTIVE WITH THAT.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT IT, WE GET COHESIVENESS WITHIN THAT DESIGN.
UM, INTERESTING ENOUGH, BASED UPON SOME OF OUR COMMENTS, AND I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE ID DISTRICT, BUT, UM, TWO THINGS STRUCK ME.
I WAS READING THIS OVER THE PAST TWO WEEKS FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND LIKE YOU SAID, I, YOU READ IT THROUGH TWICE, I WENT THROUGH IT THREE TIMES, SO I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS A REALLY CLEAN
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DEFINITION OF WHAT, UM, A CLEAN INDUSTRY WAS.CLEAN MANUFACTURING AND ADVANCED MANUFACTURING.
SO I WAS, I WAS STUCK ON THAT AND LOOKING FOR A GOOD DEFINITION FOR WHAT THOSE WERE.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE COMMENTS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO CONCERN, UM, WHAT BYPRODUCTS MIGHT BE CON UM, USED IN THE MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY.
AND I DO AGREE WITH YOU IN SOME RESPECTS THAT HAVING CONDITIONAL USE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S SO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, AT LEAST GIVES US THAT SECOND CHANCE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING IN AT THOSE LOCATIONS.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE LOOKING AT, UM, FEEDBACK THAT YOU ASK FEEDBACK.
WHAT OTHER ADDITIONAL THINGS DO YOU THINK MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE IMPROVED? THE THIRD ONE YOU ACTUALLY TOUCHED ON, IT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD'VE ASKED, BUT YOU BEAT ME TO IT, WHICH WAS ON, UM, FLEET VEHICLES.
SO THERE'S NO, I SAW NOWHERE THAT LIMITED HOW THOSE WERE PARKED ON A SITE.
AND SO THE ONE THING WITH FLEET VEHICLES, THEY ALSO BECOME SIGNAGE.
SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT.
AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER AREAS IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEIR PARKING WAS LIMITED WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT WASN'T VISIBLE FROM STREET FRONTAGE, IT WAS BEHIND STRUCTURES, IT WAS SCREENED FROM OTHER PROPERTY, EVEN THEY'RE NEXT DOOR, SO THAT YOU DIDN'T END UP HAVING TO LOOK AT THOSE VEHICLES AS BEING SIGNAGE.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT I THOUGHT COULD BE IMPORTANT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS.
I, I, I THINK SO, UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE, UH, REMOVING THE SECTION ON WIND TURBINES, UM, SO EQUALLY AS WELL.
UM, AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, AS I THINK MR. CHITTICK SAID, THIS IS A PROCESS, RIGHT? AND THIS BODY, UH, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION, UM, IS GUIDED BY ALL OF THE PLANNING WORK THAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE THIS.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE CAN'T GO BACK AND CHANGE THE WORLD
AND SO I, I LOOK AT THIS KIND OF AS A NEW, THIS NEW ID SIX DISTRICT, UM, AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS IT TRYING TO DO? AND SO WHAT, WHAT I'VE GOT OUT OF THIS IS THE INTENT OF IT.
AND TO ME, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN AGREE TO THE INTENT, THE DETAILS WILL COME OUT OF IT.
AND SO, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FOSTER INNOVATION, CUTTING EDGE RESEARCH, UM, TECHNOLOGY AND EMPLOYMENT SENSITIVE TRANSITION FROM AN EXISTING ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, UM, LOWER INTENSITY, MINIMIZE ADVERSE IMPACTS, SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES, AND NON-TOXIC INPUTS AND MAYBE OUTPUTS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE DRIVING THIS DISTRICT.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS TO AGREE ON WHAT'S THE INTENT.
AND I KNOW THERE ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE THAT DISAGREE WITH THAT BASIC, BUT I THINK THE WAY THAT THE LANGUAGE OF THE CODE IS EVOLVING IS, IS REINFORCING ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME TWEAKS, AND AGAIN, PUBLIC COMMENT STAFF, EVERYBODY HAS HEARD THE, THE CONSULTANTS HAVE ALL HEARD YOUR COMMENTS.
UH, COMMISSION HAS SAID MAYBE THERE'S SOME TWEAKS HERE, BETTER DEFINITIONS OF A COUPLE THINGS.
BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO A, UH, CODE HERE THAT SUPPORTS THE, THE OVERALL COMMUNITY PLANNING EXERCISE.
AND SO, UM, I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO KIND OF TAKE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AND KIND OF KEEP WORKING ON IT.
AND, UM, AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE SETBACK, UM, THE BUILDING HEIGHTS, THE LANDSCAPE, I MEAN, I, AGAIN, MANY PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT, YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF IT.
BUT YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO GET THE REST RIGHT TOO.
SO I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WE CAN START TO TWEAK SOME OF THE LANGUAGE TO GET TO HOW MANY FLEET VEHICLES WHERE THEY PARK.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED THAT, UM, COULD JUST REALLY GET THIS TO THE RIGHT THING WHERE EVERYBODY IS HAPPY WITH IT.
OR LEMME SAY EVERYBODY IS ACCEPTING OF IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY ALL THE TIME.
SO, UH, ANYWAY, UM, AND COMMISSION, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENT? YES, YES.
I HAVE A COMMENT AND I WANT INTRODUCE A DISSENTING OPINION.
I DEFINITELY WOULD NOT MAKE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING CONDITIONAL USE.
THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO, IS TO PROMOTE THAT.
AND SO IF YOU MAKE IT A CONDITIONAL USE, IT'S A POTENTIAL DISINCENTIVE.
AND I THINK THAT'S CONTRARY TO THE WHOLE EFFORTS THAT LED TO THIS.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT MY OPINION ON THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO SEND THE STAFF DOWN THAT DIRECTION.
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YEAH, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR THE DIRECTION ANYWAY, THAT, I MEAN, AND IF YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF IT, WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF OF THAT BEING A PRIMARY USE.UM, JENNY, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I JUST, WHEN YOU'RE ALL DONE WITH YOUR INITIAL COMMENTS, WE, WE HAD SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS TO THAT EXACT POINT SO THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE HEARING YOUR FEEDBACK, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS, I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY, AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE GREG COME UP HERE AND, UM, POKE SOME OF THOSE POINTS JUST SO THAT WE MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT MOVES HERE.
AND SOME MAY REQUIRE US TO GO BACK AND DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH.
MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE THE BEST ANSWER TONIGHT, BUT DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING CLEAR ABOUT THAT WOULD 'CAUSE I'VE HEARD SOME CONTRADICTIONS AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THEM ALSO, I THINK.
KATHY, DID YOU WANT TO ASK? I HAD, UH, TWO, TWO THINGS ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE.
UM, I SEE A BIG NEED IN FOR THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND, I, I GET A BIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UM, BUT I ALSO FEEL THAT, UM, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING BECAUSE IT WOULD COME BACK OUR WAY THAT WAY AND IT WOULD GIVE US AN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, WEIGH IN ON THAT.
AND IF YOU, IF IF THERE'S SOMETHING MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE STRESSED TO THIS, UH, BODY HERE, THEN PASS THAT ALONG.
BUT, UM, I KNOW YOU WANNA MENTION THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE TOO, BUT COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEANT BY CONDITIONAL, CONDITIONAL USE THAT AS, AS A, AS A CATEGORY OR NO, THE, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CONDITIONAL USE.
SO I WAS GONNA SAY FOR ME, UM, KEEPING IN MIND THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'M, I'M FACING THINGS THAT YOU HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK BACK AND FORTH.
SO I WILL TELL YOU, WHEN I READ THROUGH THE CODE LANGUAGE, I STRUGGLED WITH UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU WERE TRULY REFERRING TO AS AN ADVANCED MANUFACTURING.
AND THE SAME THING WHAT WAS CONSIDERED CLEAN MANUFACTURING WITH, WITH WHEN JUST READING THE TEXT OF THE CODE.
SO I THINK THAT WAS A FAIR COMMENT.
SO THAT'S WHERE MY COMMENT ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, PLACING A CONDITIONAL USE IS MAYBE NOT FULLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IN TERMS OF THOSE.
AND, AND ONE OF THE OUTCOMES FROM OUR LAST MEETING WAS WE NEED A BETTER DEFINITION OF ADVANCED MANUFACTURING.
AND SO THIS IS A ACTUAL RESULT OF THAT, THIS LANGUAGE.
SO IF IT'S STILL CONFUSING TO YOU, YEAH, THEY CHANGED THIS, IT IS FOR ME FOR THE FIRST TIME DELVING INTO THIS AND READING, AND I'M BEING HONEST AND OPEN ABOUT THAT, BUT DOESN'T IT MAKE IT MAKING THIS CONDIT ISSUE USED TO DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS? I MEAN, RIGHT.
I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO CLARIFY ID SIX, LIKE IF WE JUST SAY IT'S CONDITIONAL USE, THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF, I I ARE WE DEBATING WHETHER, SORRY, ADVANCED MANUFACTURING SHOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE? I, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEBATING.
IS THAT, NO, MY FEELING IS FROM THE BEGINNING I WAS SAYING THAT THE CLARITY OF EVERYTHING, UH, REALLY WAS NOT COMING FORWARD.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT I WASN'T READY TO, UH, GIVE UP CONDITIONAL USE.
BUT I KNOW WE HAVE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
MAYBE MR. DALE CAN BRING SOME CLARITY TO THIS DISCUSSION.
WELL, AND, AND JUST AS WELL, UH, MR. DALE'S GETTING UP HERE, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE USE TABLES FOR THE WID DISTRICTS, THE THINGS, THE HANDFUL OF THINGS THAT ARE CONDITIONAL USES ARE THINGS THAT WOULD TEND TO TAKE THE WID DISTRICTS AWAY FROM THE SORT OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH FLEX TYPE OF USES THAT THE WID IS TRYING TO ENCOURAGE.
SO IT WOULD BE OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE WID DISTRICTS GENERALLY TO MAKE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING THEN A CONDITIONAL USE BECAUSE IT IS IN KEEPING WITH THE OVERALL THEME OF THE WID.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THERE PARTICULAR ISSUE YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS WITH, ARE YOU ASKING ME TO ADDRESS A CONDITIONAL USE ISSUE? WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAD SOME, SOME FOLLOW UP COMMENTS.
I MAYBE JUST WE START WITH YOUR, WELL, MORE, MORE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
WE, WE WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE, RIGHT? WE'LL KEEP WORKING ON THIS TILL IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY.
SO WE JUST NEED SOME GUIDANCE.
SO LET ME ASK, LET ME ASK THE QUESTION THIS WAY.
RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THIS IS SET UP IN BETWEEN THE DEFINITION AND THE INTENT STATEMENT AND THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, WHICH TALK ABOUT, UH, MINIMIZING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW IS THE STAFF WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK ANY PROSPECTIVE DEVELOPER OR APPLICANT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW.
THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO TRY TO WRITE NUMERIC STANDARDS TO CAPTURE ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT WOULD BE IN THINGS LIKE DEVELOPING A STANDARD FOR PARTICULATE MATTER FOR THE KINDS OF MATERIALS THAT ARE USED AS INPUT.
AND ALL OF THAT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE CITY THAT HAS THE EXPERTISE TO DEVELOP STANDARDS FOR DIFFERENT KINDS OF PARTICULAR MATTER AND SO FORTH.
SO AGAIN, THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW IS THE STAFF HAS THE ABILITY TO SAY, LOOK, HERE'S, HERE'S THE DEFINITION, HERE'S THE
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INTENT STATEMENT HERE.PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, YOU APPLICANT NEED TO DEMONSTRATE TO US THAT YOU MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, OTHERWISE, YOU'RE GONNA BE TRYING TO ANTICIPATE EVERY POSSIBLE USE THAT MIGHT COME IN IN THE FUTURE.
SO I GUESS THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION THAT WE COULD USE SOME INPUT ON, UM, AS, AS WE GO, AS WE GO FORWARD.
BECAUSE I, I, IF WE START, IF WE START MOVING DOWN THIS ROAD OF TRYING TO QUANTIFY EVERYTHING, THAT'S GONNA BE A VERY CHALLENGING THING TO DO.
RECOGNIZING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT INDUSTRY TO COME IN, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THOSE USES ARE GONNA BE.
IT MAY BE USES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN INVENTED YET.
AND SO TO ANTICIPATE ALL THOSE WITH OBJECTIVE NUMERIC STANDARDS IS, IS VERY DIFFICULT.
THAT'S WHY WE WROTE IT THE WAY WE DID.
YOU MAY NOT END UP WITH THE RESULT THAT YOU WANT.
BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF, A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY TO WORK WITH AN APPLICANT, RIGHT? TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR BUSINESS IS AND WHAT THEY, THEY NEED AND HOW THAT NEED FITS INTO THE, THE PLAN, GREG.
AND SO IF WE FOLLOW THE TRACK YOU'RE DESCRIBING, SO WHEN DEVELOPER COMES IN AND SAYS, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO, SO DOES THE STAFF THEN GO OUT AND BRING CONSULTANTS IN AND SAY, OH, THIS IS WHERE YOU SHOULD BE AND, UM, OR THIS IS WHERE YOU SHOULDN'T BE, BECAUSE THEN IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THE STAFF IF THEY'RE COMING IN AND SAYING, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA PERFORM, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
AND THEN WHO, WHO, HOW DO YOU THEN DETERMINE, I MEAN, THIS IS OUR CURRENT PROCESS, SO IT ALREADY IS ON US TO MAKE THOSE SIMILAR DETERMINATIONS ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY, BUT ELSEWHERE IN THIS DISTRICT, RIGHT? WE HAVE USERS THAT COME IN AND WE HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN PLANNING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, THAT IS A CONVERSATION WE ARE HAVING.
WHAT IS THIS USE? DOES IT FIT THIS CATEGORY? IF THERE IS THIS SIMILAR USE PIECE THAT KEEGAN WENT THROUGH, RIGHT? THERE'S CRITERIA FOR US DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THAT IT FITS WITHIN THAT.
AND THE INTENT OF THAT, OF THE DISTRICT IS PART OF THAT, RIGHT? SO WE'RE ALREADY MAKING THAT EVALUATION.
UM, AND AS GREG IS SHARING THAT IN THE END, WE WROTE THIS CODE AND DID NOT INCLUDE NUMERIC STANDARDS, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT MAY RESULT IN AN INTENT THAT WE DON'T, THAT WE DON'T WANT, NOR AGAIN, THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY AROUND IT, RIGHT? SO MY, MY, YOU KNOW, LIMIT IS 50, WELL, IT'S 49.9.
SO I MEAN, IS IS THAT REALLY GETTING TO THE INTENT? AND THE GOAL IS FOR THESE STANDARDS TO PROVIDE THAT CLARITY OF HERE'S THE LIMITS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY USE WOULD HAVE.
AND THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL TO, YOU KNOW, AS THAT COMES IN AND WE EVALUATE THAT, DOES IT MEET THAT? SO IF THERE'S OTHER STANDARDS THAT NEED TO BE ADDED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
BUT, AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S OUR TAKEAWAY, IS WE CAN GO AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
WE'VE ALSO, I MEAN, ZONING IS REALLY, THAT'S A CHALLENGE TO PUT SOME OF THESE PIECES IN THERE, RIGHT? THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS A STANDALONE PIECE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY JUST ADOPTED TO, AGAIN, PROVIDE MORE NUMERICAL STANDARDS FOR THAT.
IN PARTICULAR, THE LIGHTING PIECE, WE ALREADY HAVE STANDARDS FOR THAT.
SO, UM, AND ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL ONES WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
BUT LIKE INDUSTRIAL OUTPUTS, LIKE THE QUESTIONS ABOUT PARTICULATE MATTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU, YOU, YOU AS A STAFF WOULD SAY, THIS WORKS, THIS DOESN'T WORK.
HOW WOULD YOU EVALUATE THAT? AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S SOME OF WHAT WE'RE HEARING.
I MEAN, WE WOULD LOOK AT, YEAH, OTHER, I MEAN, OTHER AGENCIES ARE PROVIDING EXPERTISE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S THE EPA OR, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING CURRENTLY THAT THE CITY IS EVALUATING, RIGHT? AND THERE ARE USERS THAT MANUFACTURE THINGS IN THE CITY AND DO RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ON, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CURRENTLY LOOK AT.
AND WE DO HAVE ADJACENCIES TO RESIDENTIAL FOR SOME OF THESE USERS.
SO I MEAN, THAT, THAT IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING.
AND AGAIN, OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE RIGHT, THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORTH THE BEST PROJECT THAT IS, IS SUITABLE AGAIN FOR THE CITY, FOR THE RESIDENTS, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT BALANCING IS HAPPENING.
I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION TOO, YES, BEHIND THE SCENES, IT'S INCREDIBLE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, UM, MEETINGS AND TIME IS SPENT PRIOR TO COMING HERE.
AND WHAT I DO TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS STREAMLINING THINGS AS WELL AS MOVING THINGS FORWARD, WHICH IS HELPING US ECONOMICALLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.
UM, THERE IS A PART THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THOUGH, AND YOU KNOW, IF I'M USING THE WORD, UH, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, SOURCES THAT WAY.
BUT IF THERE'S ANOTHER WORD, BECAUSE BASICALLY THE, IF, IF YOU ALL FIND YOU CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT, THEN YOU COME BACK TO US, THAT IS STILL WITHIN THE
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PREVIEW OF THE DEVELOPER.IS THAT CORRECT? SO ONCE YOU ALL, ONCE YOU DENY THEM OR YOU SAY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING IN THE RIGHT PATH, THEN THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME THIS WAY.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I'M, HOW I WAS READING THIS, CERTAINLY ONCE STAFF MAKES A DECISION MM-HMM
TO WHETHER OR NOT AN APPLICATION DOES OR DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE CODE.
AND AGAIN, THE STAFF CAN REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT DOCUMENTATION TO DEMONSTRATE THAT.
AND IT MAY BE THE STAFF HAS TO BRING IN SPECIALIZED EXPERTISE TO REVIEW THAT MM-HMM
BUT YES, ONCE STAFF MAKES THAT DETERMINATION, ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH THAT CAN APPEAL THAT DECISION.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE CODE.
THAT RIGHT? THE DIRECTOR MAKES A DETERMINATION AND PROVIDES THAT TO THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT CAN EITHER APPEAL THAT TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS OR ASK TO AMEND THE CODE TO ALLOW THAT PARTICULAR, SO THAT WOULD GO EITHER ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES IS A PUBLIC PROCESS.
AND AGAIN, I THINK TO MR. ALEXANDER'S POINT, ALWAYS TURN MY MICROPHONE OFF.
UM, THE GOAL OF THIS DISTRICT RIGHT, IS TO PROVIDE THAT CLARITY SO THAT AN APPLICANT KNOWS WHAT TO EXPECT, WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, AND ADDING A CONDITIONAL USE, JUST AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THAT ADDS ANOTHER LAYER OF UN UN UNCERTAINTY OF I HAVE TO NOW GO THROUGH THIS EXTRA LEVEL OF REVIEW AGAIN.
AND IF THAT'S ALL WHAT YOU ALL DETERMINE, OR WE CAN ADD OTHER STANDARDS, RIGHT? THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT, AS MR. BOGGS SAID, THAT THAT'S SET FORTH HOW WE REALLY WANTED THIS OVERALL WI TO BE, UM, CONSIDERED AND IMPLEMENTED.
SO ADDING A CONDITIONAL USE ADDS THAT ADDITIONAL LAYER OF UNCERTAINTY, WHICH IF YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT DEVELOPMENT TO THE CITY, MAKES THAT REALLY HARD.
SO JUST AGAIN, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, SO MR. DALE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOME MORE CLARITY FROM THE COMMISSION IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT, THAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO REFINE YES.
I THINK WHAT WHAT WOULD HELP US IS, IS IF WE'RE LOOKING TO TWEAK THE WAY THE LANGUAGE IS STRUCTURED, THAT ALLOWS, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE STAFF RIGHT NOW CAN SAY TO APPLICANT, DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU'RE MINIMIZING ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, RIGHT? AND THAT, AND THAT BURDENS ON YOU TO PROVE THAT TO US STAFF.
AND WE, AND WE MAKE THAT DETERMINATION APPEALABLE TO BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS OR WHETHER WE'RE GOING DOWN A PATH TOWARDS, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN TELL WHAT I, WHAT I, MY PREFERENCE IS WE'RE GOING DOWN A PATH TOWARD TRYING TO PREDICT PARTICULATE AIR, STORMWATER RUNOFF MATERIALS, MATERIALS YOU'RE USING AS INPUT INTO YOUR, YOUR PROCESSES.
UM, RECOGNIZING, AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUSINESSES ARE GONNA COME IN.
THE ABILITY TO TRY TO QUANTIFY THAT IN ADVANCE IS, I THINK GONNA BE A, A DIFFICULT CHALLENGE.
NOT JUST DRAFTING CHALLENGE, BUT AN ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGE AS WELL.
THERE, THERE'S REFERENCE IN THE TEXT TO INPUTS BUT NOT OUTPUTS.
AND IS THAT PURPOSEFUL OR IS IS THE DEFINITION OF INPUT? I'M MISREADING IT.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE NON, NON-TOXIC INPUTS, BUT I DIDN'T SAY NON-TOXIC OUTPUTS.
YEAH, SO, SO THE IDEA, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD FROM THE, FROM THE RESIDENTS WAS A CONCERN IS I THINK THE WAY IT WAS CHARACTERIZED WAS A PRETTY GOOD WAY TO CHARACTERIZE IT.
IT'S CLEAN IN, CLEAN OUT, NOT DIRTY, IN CLEAN OUT.
IS IS THE WAY THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT IT.
SO YES, I THINK THAT THAT OPENS THE DOOR FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF THE STAFF TO SAY, DEMONSTRATE WHAT KIND OF, NOT JUST THAT YOU'RE MAKING SURE THERE ARE NO EXTERNAL IMPACTS, BUT STARTING WITH WHAT YOUR MATERIALS ARE, BUT YOU, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK ABOUT THAT.
YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REQUIRE THEM TO SUBMIT INFORMATION, TO DEMONSTRATE SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE DETERMINATION AT THE STAFF LEVEL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
SO IS THERE TWEAKS TO THE LANGUAGE THAT COULD ADDRESS THAT? YEAH, I, I THINK SO.
IF, AGAIN, IF, IF WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ADD.
I MEAN I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
I MEAN, YES, DEFINITELY HEARING THE, THE CLEAN MANUFACTURING ADVANCEMENT, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
AND ULTIMATELY THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE LANDED, BUT IF IT'S STILL NOT CLEAR OR THERE'S STILL SOME UNCERTAINTY, THEN LET US GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.
I MEAN IT, THE CHALLENGE IS RIGHT, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT ALL THESE, USES THAT INTO ONE CATEGORY AND AND, AND SUMMARIZE THAT, AND THEN THE DEFINITION JUST KEEPS GETTING LONGER AND LONGER.
SO CLEAN ADVANCED MANUFACTURING,
OR ADVANCED CLEAN MANUFACTURING.
I MEAN, OUR INTENT WAS IN THE OTHER DISTRICTS IN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT THAT HAS MANUFACTURING AND ASSEMBLY, THAT IS VERY BROAD.
THE GOAL OF ADVANCED MANUFACTURING WAS TO NARROW THAT EVEN FURTHER, RIGHT? SO THAT'S OUR INTENT, THAT'S WHAT OUR GOAL IS IN WRITING THAT DEFINITION AND INCLUDING THOSE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
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SYNTHESIZE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE OR, AND, OR LOOK AT THE CLEAN MANUFACTURING PART AGAIN, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.SO, AND, AND I THINK THE OTHER THING WE COULD DO AS I'M, AS I'M LISTENING TO THIS AND I'M HEARING MYSELF DESCRIBE IT, IS WE CAN PROBABLY SHARPEN THE LANGUAGE THAT DESCRIBES WHAT I'VE BEEN DESCRIBING TO YOU, RIGHT? AND SAY MORE CLEARLY I THINK IT'S HERE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD HELP IF IT WERE MORE CLEARLY STATED THAT WHAT STAFF DOES IS APPLY THIS LANGUAGE, REQUIRE AN APPLICANT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY MEET THESE, THESE GUIDELINES AND, AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN STAFF CAN DENY THE APPLICATION USING PURPOSE, USING DEFINITION, USING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND I THINK WE CAN SHARPEN THAT LANGUAGE AND CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE MORE.
I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IT.
THE ONE THING THAT IT'S, IT'S BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT THAT WE NEED THAT.
WE NEED TO BE CLEARER ON THAT.
I WOULD SAY THAT SHOULD BE OVER THE ENTIRE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, NOT JUST THAT THE APPLICANT DEMONSTRATED JUST TALKING ABOUT, I KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS CONSENSUS ON WAS THE COMMENT ABOUT ADDING IN THE SUSTAINABILITY BONUS, LIKE LETTING THE BUFFER COUNT TOWARDS THAT, THAT WAS SUGGESTED THAT THAT BE INCLUDED OR BE CONSIDERED.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH OR YOU WANT US TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND BRING THAT BACK? YOU DECIDE ON THAT, ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS, SOMEONE APPLIES AND THEY SAY WE'D LIKE THIS 5% OVERAGE MM-HMM
AND YOU DECIDE INTERNALLY IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
I MEAN THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE A RT PROCESS AS PART OF THAT.
SO IF THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER HAD ANYBODY DO THAT, TO BE HONEST, BUT
WELL
BUT HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE MAKE YOU BUILD A BUFFER, BUT YOU GET 5% MORE.
I'M JUST SAYING IF, IF YOU DEAL WITH THAT INTERNALLY, DO WE REALLY NEED TO WRITE IT IN THERE AS LONG AS OPERATIONALLY YOU THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE, THAT'S, THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE RESP TO ME IT MEETS THE LANGUAGE OF THE CODE.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU AND GREG AND OKAY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, YOUR MIC, YOUR MICROPHONE.
I THINK I TURNED IT OFF RIGHT.
UM, WAS THE FLEET, FLEET PARKING AND QUA QUANTIFY, WHERE IS IT? AND I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IF YOU DRIVE, IF YOU DO ENTER INTO THE SITE, ARE YOU DRIVING INTO PARKING OR IS THAT SCREENED? JAMIE, I THOUGHT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
UM, I THINK MY CONCERN WAS WAS, UH, I GUESS ANSWERED WITH THE SCREENING ON THE MAIN THOROUGH THE, THE PRIMARY SCREENING.
I THINK THAT COVERS ONE CAUSE.
AND THEN VICKI WAS, BUT I DO, I I'M SORRY.
I WILL ADD, I DO THINK THE LIMITATION ON NUMBER OF FLEET VEHICLES THAT CAN BE PARKED, WHICH IS WHAT VICKI WAS SAYING, LOCATIONS OR PERCENTAGE OF PARKING IS FLEET VEHICLE, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.
I THINK THERE'D BE NICE SOME CLARIFICATION THERE AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, I KNOW, I MEAN SOMEBODY COULD BE DRIVING A MINIVAN TO WORK AND IT LOOKS LIKE A FLEET VEHICLE.
SO I KNOW IT'S A VERY HARD, IT'S A KIND OF LIKE THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE SMALL VEHICLES, SO IT'S GONNA BE, BUT THEY'LL HAVE PROBABLY WRITING ON 'EM AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEY'LL LOOK RIGHT.
I MEAN IN OUR, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT MOUNDING AND LANDSCAPING, WE DID NOT SET THOSE LIMIT.
LIKE WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT TO BE, UM, HONEST.
AND IT REALLY WAS THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SCREENING ALONG COSWAY IN PARTICULAR, THAT, AND AGAIN, GIVEN THAT THE BAY DOORS AND OVERHEAD DOORS HAVE TO FACE INTERNALLY, YOU'RE ALREADY IMPACTING HOW THE SITE CAN BE DEVELOPED.
SO THEN DICTATING WHERE FLEET VEHICLES CAN ALSO BE PARKED, LIKE YOU'RE REALLY LIMITING HOW A SITE CAN ACTUALLY FUNCTION.
SO THAT WAS PART OF OUR CONCERN WITH NOT ADDING A LIMIT.
WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT, BUT THAT WAS WHY WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THIS DRAFT.
SO THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC, BUT IF, IF YOU DO HAVE AN ENTRANCE POINT MM-HMM
AND YOU'RE DRIVING INTO A PARKING AREA, THEN YOU CAN TECHNICALLY SEE THAT FROM COS GRAY.
SO IS THERE A WAY TO SCREEN TO PUT IN THE CODE THAT YOU, YOU SCREEN THAT SO YOU CAN'T DRIVE IN AND IMMEDIATELY SEE PARKING? OKAY.
YOU SEE IT FROM, CAUSE I'M NOT GONNA, I MEAN WE UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
SO LET US TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I JUST, I'M JUST, AGAIN, I'M LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION
THINGS, I MEAN, GIVEN THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THESE USES MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE, WHAT A USER'S GOING, LIKE THE LIMITING THE NUMBER OF THAT, THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE CONCERN.
I'D RATHER DO SOMETHING MORE ABOUT LOCATION OR ADDITIONAL SCREENING OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND, AND I, I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH LIKE FLEET VEHICLES, EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE, UM, ROADWAY GOING THROUGH THE SITE, I DON'T THINK WE EVER WANNA SEE FLEET VEHICLES PARKED OUT.
SO I THINK, I THINK THEY NEED TO BE CONFINED IN SOME WAY WITHIN THAT TECH.
SO SOME LIMITATIONS ON WHERE FLEET VEHICLES ARE PARKED.
THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD BUSINESSES, I'LL BE HONEST, THAT HAVE MADE SURE
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THEY'VE PUT THEIR BOX TRUCKS AND THINGS RIGHT OUT IN FRONT, UM, SO THAT WE CAN, SO WE CAN SEE THE SIGN ON THE SIDE OF THE TRUCK MORE THAN THE SIGNAGE THAN THEY, THEY ARE ALLOWED ON THEIR OWN STRUCTURES.SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING IN MY CONCERN WITH THAT.
SO MAYBE IT'S, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN SAY THIS, BUT MAYBE IT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, DEDICATED AREA FOR FLEET VEHICLES PER STAFF'S REVIEW OR PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK THERE'S A CLARIFICATION THAT STAFF NEEDS TO WEIGH IN ON THAT PERHAPS THAT SOLVES IT PER, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
I DUNNO IF THAT'S TOO GENERAL, BUT THAT WE MESSAGE, I'M CERTAINLY NOT SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE FLEET VEHICLES, I JUST THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE SCREENED AND LIMITED TO IF STAFF PLACEMENT AND THINGS.
BUT IF STAFF CAN REVIEW IT, I CA YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT WOULD BE THE SORT OF THING THAT THROUGH THE EXISTING A RT PROCESS YEAH.
WHICH ITSELF IS A PUBLIC PROCESS COULD BE ADDRESSED WHEN WE HAVE SPECIFIC SITE PLANS COMING THROUGH.
YEAH, I'M JUST, AGAIN, IT'S BACK TO THE ANOMALIES OF THINGS THAT YOU JUST LIKE THAT, THAT'S A ONE ANOMALY FOR ME ABOUT IF YOU DRIVE IN AND THERE'S PARKING AND YOU CAN SEE IT, THEN YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE NEGATED THE IDEA OF CREATING THE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SEE THAT FROM THE STREET.
EVERY COMMISSIONERS ALRIGHT, JENNY, TURN IT BACK TO YOU.
WE WILL TAKE THOSE COMMENTS, UM, AND TALK THAT THROUGH AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK FOR THE, KEEP IT ON ON THAT 21ST AGENDA.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS.
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WE HAVE, UH, COMMUNICATIONS TONIGHT? I DO HAVE ONE AND NOW I NEED TO FIND DATE.UM, SO WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, CITY COUNCIL HAS A WORK SESSION.
LET ME FIND THE DATE, UM, IN JUNE WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE WESTBRIDGE STREET, UM, STREETS SCAPE STUDY, BUT ALSO THE ZONING CODE AUDIT, WHICH A NUMBER OF YOU PARTICIPATED IN THAT CONVERSATION AND GIVING FEEDBACK ABOUT THE CODE.
SO, UM, COUNSEL HAS, WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THE INVITATION TO ALL OF YOU TO ATTEND AND BE PART OF THAT WORK SESSION.
SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE TWO TOPICS TOGETHER.
UM, IN THAT, THE CODE AUDIT AGAIN, IS LOOKING AT THE CODE OVERALL AND WHAT THE PLAN IS MOVING FORWARD, UM, AND GET EVERYBODY'S FEEDBACK BEFORE WE, WE EMBARK ON THAT PART OF THAT PROJECT.
SO THE GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE EVERYBODY TOGETHER, UM, TO TALK ABOUT THAT AT ONE TIME.
JAMIE'S NODDING THAT I'M, YES.
AND I CAN SEND OUT AN ONBOARD, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE CALENDAR INVITATION THROUGH ONBOARD FOR YOUR MEETINGS.
I CAN ADD YOU TO THAT MEETING SO THAT IT'LL SHOW UP AS A CALENDAR INVITE AS WELL.
SORRY, IT'S, IT'S JUNE 15TH, IT'S A MONDAY AND THEY WORK SESSIONS ARE FROM SIX TO EIGHT.
SO ONE HOUR WOULD BE ABOUT THE WESTBRIDGE STREET STUDY AND THEN THE OTHER HOUR WOULD BE ABOUT THE CODE AUDIT AND WHAT THE RESULTS OF ALL THE FEEDBACK ARE AND WHAT THE PLAN IS MOVING FORWARD FOR THAT.
AND WHAT'S THE FORMAT OF THAT MEETING? IT'S A WORK SESSION.
SO IT'S, UM, IN THE TABLE AND YOU ALL WOULD BE AT THE TABLE OKAY.
IT'S NOT US JUST SITTING IN ON A NO, NO, NO.
IT WOULD BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION YEAH.
TO HEAR AND, AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF.
WHAT TIME OF WHAT TIME OF DAY DO 6:00 PM SIX TO EIGHT.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL NIGHT, SO I WANNA GIVE YOU SOME NOTICE IN CASE, AND AGAIN, UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE ADDING THIS AT THE LAST MINUTE, BUT WOULD REALLY THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO HAVE EVERYBODY TOGETHER.
UM, AND THEN ON THE WESTBRIDGE STREET, UM, STUDY, JEFF SPECK WAS HERE AND I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS A RECORDING OF THAT.
SO WE'RE FINISHING OUR REVIEW OF THAT, BUT WE'LL SEND THAT OUT AHEAD OF THAT, THAT WAY YOU HAVE THAT, UM, INFORMATION AND THEN YOU'LL OBVIOUSLY GET THE PACKET MATERIALS FOR, FOR BOTH OF THOSE TOPICS TOO.
SO I'LL BE WELL PREPARED, UM, AHEAD OF THAT MEETING.