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VICKI'S SECOND TIME ON THIS BOARD, SO I'M SURE WE'LL BENEFIT FROM HER EXPERIENCE.ALRIGHT, IF EVERYONE WOULD TO RISE, WE START OUR MEETINGS WITH THE PLEASURE OF ALLEGIANCE.
JAMIE, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. ALEXANDER? HERE.
AND MR. WAY IS ABSENT THIS EVENING.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD? SO MOVED.THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLANNING OF PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
UH, IF THERE'S ANYONE OUT THERE WHO IS GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, NOW'S THE TIME TO COME IN.
SO THE PROCEDURE, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY THE STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
ANYONE, ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD.
UNDER EACH APPLICATION, PLEASE ENSURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
PLEASE REFRAIN WHEN YOU'RE IN THE AUDIENCE FROM SIDE CONVERSATIONS APPLAUSE, OR OTHER AUDIBLE REACTION TO PUBLIC COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS OF COMMISSIONERS, STAFF, OR APPLICANTS.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMISSIONERS CAN HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID ON THE RECORD AND THAT ALL HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
THIS PROTECTS THE PROCESS, WHICH IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CONCERNED ANYONE.
I'M GONNA SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES.
NOW, ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY, ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN.
PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? OKAY, THANK YOU.
[Case #26-013AFDP]
CASE IS CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 0 1 3 A FDP.THIS IS THE JEROME HIGH SCHOOL SCOREBOARD.
IT'S AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS IS THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH TEXT MODIFICATIONS TO ALLOW THE REPLACEMENT OF THE FOOTBALL TRACK SCOREBOARD WITH ADJUSTMENTS TO ITS SIZE.
THE 87.58 ACRE SITE IS ZONED PUD DUBLIN JERONE HIGH SCHOOL, AND IS LOCATED AT 8,300 HIGHLAND CROY ROAD.
UM, MR. FORD, YOU, YOU HAVE THE, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT YOUR CASE.
FORD AND ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTS, UH, REPRESENTING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
IT, WE WERE ENGAGED BY THE DISTRICT TO LOOK AT ALL THREE HIGH SCHOOL, UH, SCOREBOARDS IN THE FOOTBALL AND TRACK FACILITIES, AND WE WERE REALLY TASKED WITH THREE OBJECTIVES.
ONE IS TO STANDARDIZE THE ACTUAL SCOREBOARD PART WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE SCORE AND THE TIME IN THAT, WHICH IS THE CENTER SECTION OF THE STANDARDIZED, THE VIDEO BOARD SIZES SO THAT ALL THREE SCHOOLS HAVE THE SAME SIZE VIDEO, UM, CAPACITY, AND THEN ALSO ADD, UM, THAT DECORATIVE, UH, ARCH AT THE TOP WITH, AGAIN, STANDARDIZED FONT AND THEN EACH SCHOOL'S LOGO.
SO IT WAS REALLY AN EFFORT TO GET KIND OF E EQUITY BETWEEN EACH OF THE THREE SCHOOLS.
AND, UH, THE, THE OTHER TASK THAT WE, WE HAD AT HAND WAS TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING OR
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REUSE THE EXISTING STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS OF EACH SCOREBOARD SO THAT WE DIDN'T GET INTO REPLACEMENT OF, YOU KNOW, FOUNDATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, STRUCTURAL BEAMS. SO IT WAS BASICALLY RECL CLADDING OF ALL THE EXISTING FACILITIES.WHAT MADE THIS ONE UNIQUE IS BECAUSE IT WAS A PUD, UM, WE HAD TO GO BACK STAFF CORRECTLY POINTED OUT, WE HAD TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ZONING TEXT, WHICH WAS APPROVED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WHICH DEFINED WHAT THAT SCORE SCOREBOOK COULD BE.
UM, SO WE HAD ALREADY MADE OUR SUBMISSION FOR PLANNING OR, YOU KNOW, ZONING REVIEW THROUGH THE, THE STAFF.
THE OTHER TWO SCHOOLS ARE NOT IN A PUD OR P, THEY'RE ZONED DIFFERENTLY.
SO STAFF WAS ABLE TO REVIEW THOSE, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT MAKING THE AREAS, THE EFFECTIVE AREAS, UM, OF ANY OF THE THREE LARGER THAN WHAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE.
SO WE BASICALLY WENT OUT AND SURVEYED THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING SCOREBOARDS AT ALL THREE LOCATIONS.
AGAIN, I'LL YOU FOCUS ON THIS ONE AGAIN, IT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS ONE.
IT HAS A HORIZONTAL SCREEN CURRENTLY AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER ONES ARE MORE VERTICAL.
AND WHAT WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR IS REALLY TO REPLACE WHAT IS SHOWN IN BLACK AND WHITE IN THE UPPER RIGHT AND THE IMAGE SHOWN, UH, IF ANY OF YOU'VE EVER BEEN THERE, IT, IT DOES HAVE THE EXISTING ARCH WITH THIS KIND OF BLOCK TEXT AT THE TOP, AND IT'S A LARGE OUT OF DATE FROM ITS TECHNOLOGY STANDPOINT, UH, VIDEO SCREEN, AND THEN THERE'S SOME ADVERTISING OR SPONSOR PANELS ALONG THE BOTTOM.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TRIED TO REORGANIZE THAT WITHIN THAT EXISTING FRAMEWORK OR OUTLINE AND PROVIDE, UM, AGAIN, THE STANDARDIZED SCOREBOARD SIZE, THE STANDARDIZED VIDEO BOARD SIZE, AND THEN, UH, FILL IN THE PERIMETER AREAS WITH SPONSORSHIP PANELS.
UM, BUT WHAT WE'VE ALSO DONE IS WE'VE TRIED TO ORGANIZE THOSE SPONSORSHIP PANELS WITH SOME FRAMEWORK RIGHT NOW AT ALL THREE SCHOOLS.
THE SCORE, THE ADVERTISING PANELS OR THE SPONSOR PANELS, ALL JUST KIND OF, BUT INTO EACH OTHER.
AND SO WE'VE, AT ALL LOCATIONS, WE'VE CREATED THIS FRAMEWORK TO SEPARATE, TO TRY TO ORGANIZE THE SPONSORSHIP PANELS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, THEY'RE NOT ILLUMINATED, UH, PA PANELS JUST IN CASE THAT COMES UP AS A QUESTION.
UM, THEY'RE JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, A METAL FACE PANEL WITH, UH, WHATEVER SPONSORSHIP, UM, ENTITY ON THEM.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE CL UH, CRUX OF OUR CASE.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WORKED WITH STAFF TO REWRITE THE, OR, YOU KNOW, UH, A NEW VERSION OF THE 20-YEAR-OLD TEXT TO BRING IT UP TO DESCRIBE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY.
THANK YOU CHAIR AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
THE PUD PROCESS INCLUDES THE FIRST THREE STEPS WITH THE A FDP REQUIRED WHEN THERE IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE FDP.
THE CONSIDERATIONS TONIGHT ARE ALIGNMENT WITH THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING CHARACTER.
AN ACTION IS REQUIRED BY COMMISSION MEMBERS TONIGHT.
THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 8,300 HIGHLAND CRO ROAD AND IS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF HIGHLAND CRO ROAD AND BRAND ROAD DUBLIN OWN HIGH SCHOOL'S FOOTBALL AND TRACK STADIUM IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WITH FORESTRY TO THE NORTH AND WEST IN BISHOP ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO THE EAST IN DECEMBER, 2021.
THE FTP WAS APPROVED FOR PHASE ONE OF DUBLIN HIGH SCHOOL IN 2017 BASED OFF OF HISTORIC AERIAL IMAGERY.
THE SCOREBOARD INCREASED IN SIZE, ALTHOUGH THERE'S NO CORRESPONDING RECORDS APPROVAL BY THE CITY.
HERE IS THE EXISTING SCOREBOARD LOOKING NORTH AND WITH THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS, THERE WILL BE A REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING FOOTBALL AND TRACK SCOREBOARD PLANS TO INCREASE THE SIZE.
IN ADDITION OF AD SPONSOR LOGOS, THE PROPOSED TEXT MODIFICATIONS SEEKS TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY AND SIZE ADJUSTMENTS AND ADDITION OF AD SPONSOR LOGOS.
CURRENTLY, THE FOOTBALL SCOREBOARD IS 17 BY 34 FEET, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 500 SQUARE FEET.
THIS REQUEST WOULD PERMIT OTHER OPTIONS IN KEEPING THE SCOREBOARD WITH CHARACTER OF THE LARGER AREA IMPUTE 10.
THE PROPOSED DIMENSIONS ARE 20 FEET BY FOUR INCHES AND 34 FEET, WHICH IS ABOUT 688.5 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPOSED DIMENSIONS PROVIDE A UNIFORM DISTRICT-WIDE AESTHETIC, WHICH INCORPORATING COMPLIMENTARY DESIGN TO DISPLAY EACH OF THE RELATIVE SCHOOLS' NAME AND LOGO.
THE TEXT ALSO CURRENTLY ALLOWS FOR TWO AD SPONSOR LOGOS AND THE TEXT WE'LL BE CHANGING IT TO ALLOW FOR EIGHT.
THIS NEW SCOREBOARD MATCHES KAUFMAN AND SCIOTO HIGH SCHOOL SCOREBOARDS WITH WHICH WERE
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PREVIOUSLY ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF ALL PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS, ALLOWING FOR FUTURE MODIFICATIONS TO GO THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL PROCESS.
ALL MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION CRITERIA ARE MET AS DESCRIBED IN THE REPORT.
AND THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN CRITERIA ARE MET OR LARGELY APPLICABLE OR NOT APPLICABLE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH NO CONDITIONS.
COMMISSION MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER THE APPLICANT OR OUR STAFF? OKAY.
MAYBE ONE, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THE JEROME SCOREBOARD WOULD BE LARGER THAN THE OTHER TWO, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THAT'S JUST BASED ON THE PREVIOUS SIZE OF IT AND YES.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO ONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK TO THIS.
SO I'LL ASK FOR MOTION ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH NO CONDITIONS.
DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT OUT SECOND? GREAT.
[Case #26-006Z-PDP]
RIGHT.OUR NEXT CASE IS CASE 26 DASH ZERO SIX ZPDP COSWAY COMMONS REZONING REZONING WITH PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IT'S A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT COMPRISED OF OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND OPEN SPACE.
THE 43.3 ACRE SITE IS ZONED ID TWO RE RESEARCH.
FLEX DISTRICT CONSISTS OF TWO PARCELS AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE ROUNDABOUT AT POST ROAD STATE ROUTE 1 61 IN UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD.
AND, AND AS YOU'RE COMING UP, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO POSTPONE FROM LAST WEEK.
I THINK WE ALL APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO LEAVE AT 10 15 VERSUS 1215.
I I ACTUALLY DROVE TO CLEVELAND AFTER THE MEETING, SO NO ONE WAS MORE GLAD THAN I WAS
UH, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH AND APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE BACK HERE AGAIN.
UH, MY NAME IS AARON UNDERHILL.
I'M AN 8,000 WALTON PARKWAY, NEW ALBANY, UH, OHIO 4 3 0 5 4.
AND I'M THE ZONING ATTORNEY ASSISTING WITH A VERY EXCITING PROJECT.
AND I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT THE START THIS PRESENTATION ON WHAT I BELIEVE IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY FOR A PROJECT HERE IN DUBLIN.
NOW, I, I SAY THAT A LITTLE TONGUE IN CHEEK BECAUSE DUBLIN'S A PRETTY SPECIAL PLACE IN THAT YOU'VE HAD A NUMBER OF ONCE IN A LIFETIME PROJECTS DURING MY LIFETIME, UH, SUCH AS MUIRFIELD AND, UH, BRIDGE PARK AND CARDINAL HEALTH.
BUT, UM, WE SEE THIS SORT OF IN THE SAME LIGHT.
AND, UM, UH, SO I'M GOING TO JUST GO FIRST AND GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW.
AND I'VE GOT A, A COUPLE OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GONNA DO A LITTLE MORE TALKING THAN ME.
BUT THIS IS A MIXED USE PROJECT AT, UM, BOAST, UH, APPROXIMATELY 500 THOU 500,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE IN R AND D SPACE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GET INTO WHY WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT MARKET FOR THIS.
I KNOW AT THE LAST, UH, MEETING A NUMBER OF CASES YOU HAD, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VIABILITY OF OFFICE, BUT WE BELIEVE WE'RE CREATING A PLACE HERE THAT IS GONNA BE REALLY ATTRACTIVE TO, TO HEADQUARTERS AND, AND OTHER TYPES OF USES.
UM, TWO HOTELS AND AN EVENT CENTER ARE CURRENTLY, UH, PART OF THE VISION HERE.
UM, A MULTITUDE OF RETAIL USES A, UH, HIGH-END GROCER SPACE.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS ALL CENTERED AROUND A MAJOR GREEN OR GREEN SPACE.
IT'S AN ORGANIZING FEATURE WITH AN ICONIC ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND AN ELEVATED WALKWAY, WHICH ARE FEATURES OF THE PROJECT THAT, THAT THIS COMMISSION, THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ON IT, UH, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE SEEN BEFORE.
ALL IN ALL, THIS, UH, CONSTITUTES WHAT WE BELIEVE WILL BE OVER A $900 MILLION INVESTMENT IN THE PROJECT BETWEEN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO, UM, NOT, NOT VERY OFTEN THAT YOU GET TO SEE AN INVESTMENT LIKE THAT IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
UM, UH, WHETHER IT'S NOT UNPRECEDENTED, IT, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN.
THIS IS OUR THIRD PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, UH, LIKE I MENTIONED, I THINK SOME OF YOU HAVE
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SEEN THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES ALREADY, UM, BUT I WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TAKE, TOOK, TAKEN A VERY MEASURED APPROACH.UM, UH, I WOULD SAY THERE'S AN, A TEAM OF CONSULTANTS HERE, UH, THAT HAVE WORKED ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, COLLIERS IS THE REAL ESTATE AND OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE.
UH, NBBJ IS, UH, TAKING THE LEAD ON THE PLANNING AND ARCHITECTURE.
AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT IS THE CIVIL ENGINEER.
UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY AT A STAGE WE'RE, WE'RE PURSUING A PUD, UM, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, UP TO ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO WAS PRETTY COMMONPLACE IN DUBLIN.
UM, THAT WAS REALLY EVERYTHING, UH, WAS, WAS A PUD.
AND THEN IN MORE RECENT TIMES THERE'S BEEN MORE, UM, FORM-BASED CODES LIKE BRIDGE PARK AND THE INNOVATION DISTRICT AND THINGS.
AND, UH, THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR THOUGH DOES NOT FIT NEATLY AND INSIDE OF ANY OF THOSE BOXES.
UH, WE HAVE MADE A VERY SUBSTANTIAL PUD FILING FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, UM, IN, IN, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S DEFENSE'S.
UM, IN FACT, IT HOLDS THE RECORD NOW FOR ME FOR THE LARGEST ZONING TEXT I'VE EVER WRITTEN, WHICH STANDS RIGHT NOW AT 120 PAGES.
UM, SO, UM, HAD A LITTLE BIT OF WRITER'S CRAMP ON THAT ONE.
UM, THE REASON WE'RE NOT HERE KIND OF PRESENTING AND EXPECTING A, YOU KNOW, EVEN A CHANCE OF A VOTE, WHICH WE NEVER BELIEVED WE GET THROUGH IN ONE MEETING ANYWAY, BY THE WAY, IN A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE IS THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS ONGOING.
AND SO, UM, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, REQUIRES THE NEGOTIATION OF AN MOU WITH CITY ENGINEERING STAFF, UH, WITH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.
AND, UM, THEN OBVIOUSLY THE STUDY HAS TO BE UNDERTAKEN AND EVALUATED.
SO WE EXPECT THAT PROCESS TO HOPEFULLY BE DONE IN ABOUT 60 DAYS.
AND AT THAT TIME, WE HOPE TO COME BACK TO YOU, UM, TO, TO PRESENT ONCE AGAIN.
BUT WE THOUGHT, UM, TO, TO KIND OF, UM, KEEP THE BALL ROLLING AND GET YOUR, YOUR CONTINUED INPUT AS WE'VE MOVED, UM, ALONG AND SPENT A LOT OF RESOURCES, TIME AND MONEY ON THIS, THAT IT WAS TIME TO UPDATE YOU.
UM, A PROJECT WITH SUCH A GRAND VISION HAS REALLY MANY CONSIDERATIONS, AND THE VISIONARY IS, AND THE OWNER OF THE PROJECT IS BAZAAR HUSSEIN, IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR HAND.
UH, HE IS A LONGTIME DUBLIN RESIDENT, AND, UM, HE SEES THIS AS A LEGACY FOR NOT ONLY HIM AND HIS FAMILY, BUT FOR THE CITY AND IS IS HEAVILY INVESTED.
UM, NOT ONLY, UH, IN, IN THE MANY, UM, ASPECTS OF THIS FROM, UH, HIRING ALL THE CONSULTANTS AND PLANNING THIS, BUT JUST, JUST FROM AN EMOTIONAL STANDPOINT AND WANTING TO GIVE BACK TO THE CITY AND, AND BRING SOMETHING THAT IS TRULY ICONIC, UM, AND, AND REALLY HELPS TO SUSTAIN DUBLIN'S PLACE ON THE MAP, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, BUT MAZAR IS A SUCCESSFUL PHYSICIAN.
HE HAS, UM, OWNS DOZENS OF PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF OHIO.
UM, HIS, HIS, UM, HE STARTED URGENT CARE, UH, BUSINESSES AND HE REALIZED AS A PART OF THAT, THAT, UM, THE REAL ESTATE COMPONENT, UM, OF IT WAS OF INTEREST TO HIM.
AND SO HE STARTED LEASING HIS OWN, UH, UH, SPACE TO HIMSELF AND ALSO DEVELOPING LARGER RETAIL PROJECTS AROUND THOSE, THOSE PROJECTS.
SO HE DOES HAVE A, A LARGE BIT OF EXPERIENCE, UH, DEVELOPING REAL ESTATE.
AND UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THIS IS A, A ONE-OFF AND, AND NO ONE REALLY DOES ANYTHING OF THIS SCALE, BUT, UM, HE CERTAINLY HAS A WHEREWITHAL TO, TO DO THIS AND, UM, THE RELATIONSHIPS, ET CETERA.
AND WE BELIEVE AS WE MOVE THIS ALONG, THERE WILL BE OTHER PARTNERS COMING INTO THE PROJECT AS WELL.
UM, AND PROBABLY SOME OF THEM WILL BE RECOGNIZABLE NAMES.
WE CAN'T REALLY SAY TALK ABOUT THAT YET.
UM, BUT THE BROADER CONSIDERATIONS INVOLVED HERE ARE, AND, AND INFLUENCES IN THE SITE INCLUDE THE EXTENSION OF UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL PROVIDE, UM, A PARTIAL, UM, FINANCING MECHANISM FROM THINGS LIKE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING REVENUES, UM, THAT CAN HELP TO GET THAT.
I KNOW THAT'S ALREADY PART OF THE CAPITAL PLANNING FOR THE CITY, BUT IT CERTAINLY PROVIDES ANOTHER SOURCE OF REVENUES FOR THE CITY TO, UM, DRAW FROM, NOT ONLY TO ASSIST WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT ALSO TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH PROJECTS THAT SERVE THE BROADER COMMUNITY IN THE AREA.
UM, COS GRAY ROAD AND ITS WIDENING IS A A IS A BIG, UH, DRIVER OF THIS AS WELL.
UM, DAN, OUR PLANNER IS GOING TO GET INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE, BUT, UM, UH, THERE IS A VISION TO WIDEN COS GRAY ROAD IN YOUR COMMUNITY PLAN.
AND, UM, UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, ASKING YOU TONIGHT IS FEEDBACK ON SETBACKS.
BUT ONE THING WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT IS, IS PROVIDE ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY NEEDED FOR THAT, UM, WIDENING ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE, UM, THERE'S SOME FRACTURED OWNERSHIP ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND THAT COULD TAKE SOME TIME.
UH, SO WE BELIEVE THAT'S A BENEFIT TO THIS PROJECT TO ENABLE, UH, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO HAPPEN MORE QUICKLY THAN THEY OTHERWISE WOULD.
UM, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NEAR THE US UH, 33 POST ROAD INTERCHANGE, WHICH WAS MANY YEARS IN THE MAKING.
I THINK THIS LOCATION NEAR TO THAT INTERCHANGE IS, UM, IS CRITICAL TO, ITS, ITS SUCCESS AND IS REALLY A DRIVER FOR CHOOSING THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
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CAMPUS, UM, IS ALSO INFLUENTIAL ON THIS.UM, THE, THE TEAM HAS HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS ALONG WITH THE CITY REPRESENTATIVES, INCLUDING YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WITH, UM, OU OFFICIALS.
WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THEM TO TRY TO ACQUIRE WHAT WOULD BE SORT OF AN ORPHANED PIECE OF PROPERTY IF UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD WERE TO KIND OF BEND THE WAY WE THINK IT WILL.
AND WE KIND OF CUT THROUGH A CORNER OF, OF THE UNIVERSITY'S PROPERTY AND THEY'VE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST UNDERSTANDING.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UM, SOME STATE PROCESSES AND, AND SELLING THAT, UH, TO, SO FOR OUR PROJECTS USE.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE ARE OTHER SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS LIKE THE MANY PARKING GARAGES WE'RE SHOWING HERE.
UH, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY ASSISTING WITH THE, UH, THE NEED TO ENHANCE, UH, THIS, THIS GREEN SPACE THAT REALLY IS, LIKE I SAID, THE ORGANIZING ELEMENT AND IS REALLY GOING TO, WE THINK, BE A DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE, NOT ONLY WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, WORKING AND LIVING IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, COMMUNITY AND PROJECT, BUT, UH, WE BELIEVE THIS WILL BRING PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER, OVER DUBLIN AS A DESTINATION AND MAYBE EVEN BEYOND.
UH, AND WE THINK THE, THE GREEN SPINE AND THE, THE ELEVATED WALKWAY AND THIS ICONIC OVERLOOK FEATURE ARE BIG PARTS OF THAT.
SO, UM, WITH ALL OF THAT BEING, UH, SAID, THAT'S, THAT'S, I'M JUST SORT OF TEEING IT UP.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO GILLEY ZOFRAN, UH, REAL QUICKLY, WHO IS, UM, HEADING THE MARKETING EFFORTS ON THIS AND, AND TRYING TO GET ALL OF THE, THE USERS WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING HERE, UH, TO THE PROJECT.
AND HE'S SORT OF THE LEAD FOR THE PROJECT IN GENERAL.
AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW THAT UP WITH THE BULK OF THE PRESENTATION BY DAN AYERS, WHO IS OUR PLANNER ON THE PROJECT.
I'M NOT A MEDICATION, I'M ZOFRAN, NOT ZOFRAN.
GILLY ZAN FROM 2 0 9 SOUTH COLUMBIA AVENUE, COLUMBUS, OHIO, 4 3 2 0 9.
BEFORE DAN GETS INTO THE DETAILS, I'M JUST GONNA GIVE A PREPARED STATEMENT MORE ON SOME OF THE MACRO PIECES OF THE LOCATION DEMOGRAPHICALLY AND HOW, WHY WE SEE IT AS BEING A REMARKABLE SITE FOR BOTH NOW AND THE FUTURE.
AS DUBLIN AND THE WHOLE REGION CONTINUES TO GROW, THE COS GREAT COMMONS IS SERVING OVER 850,000 PEOPLE WITHIN A 22 MINUTE DRIVE AND MORE THAN 1.1 MILLION PEOPLE WITHIN 25 MINUTES AS OF 2025 DEMOGRAPHIC STUDIES.
UM, WITHIN THAT, THERE'S, UH, WE'RE OFFERING SUBSTANTIAL CUSTOMER BASES WITH SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER INCOMES THAN EASTON EXCEEDING 123,000 IN A 22 MINUTE DRIVE, WHILE EASTON REACHES A LARGER POPULATION OVERALL, COS GREAT COMMONS TRADE AREA IS NOTABLY MORE AFFLUENT AND IS GROWING AT A FASTER PACE, PACE, BOTH HISTORICALLY AND IN FUTURE PROJECTIONS.
IN ADDITION, COS GREAT COMMONS IS UNIQUELY POSITIONED TO DRAW DAILY TRAFFIC FROM SOME OF THE CENTRAL OHIO'S STRONGEST AND FASTEST GROWING COMMUNITY IS INCLUDING DUBLIN, JEROME, PLAIN CITY, MARYSVILLE, HILLIARD, AND EVEN DELAWARE.
FURTHER REFOR REINFORCING ITS ACCESS TO A HIGH QUALITY EXPANDING CONSUMER BASE.
FURTHER SUPPORTING THE STRENGTH OF DUBLIN NEARBY BRIDGE PARK DEMONSTRATES EXCEPTIONAL PERFORMANCE WITH APPROXIMATELY 556,000 SQUARE FEET OF CLASS A OFFICE SPACE THAT IS ABOUT 98% OCCUPIED ALONGSIDE ROUGHLY 200 THOU 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE THAT HAS APPROXIMATELY 94% OCCUPIED AMONG THE STRONGEST, STRONGEST OCCUPANCY AND RENTAL METRICS IN OUR REGION.
UNLIKE BRIDGE PARK COS CONMAN'S BENEFITS FROM DIRECT FREEWAY ACCESS TO US 33 IS POSSESSION WITHIN A BROADER REGIONAL TRADE AREA AND IS FARTHER ENHANCED BY THE PRESENCE OF COSTCO DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET DRIVING CONSISTENT HIGH VOLUME DAILY TRAFFIC TAKEN TOGETHER.
THESE FACTORS POSITION COSWAY COMMONS TO BECOME ONE OF THE REGION'S MOST SUCCESSFUL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, ATTRACTING TOP TIER TENANTS AND COMBINED WITH A STRONG POPULATION REACH AND A WEALTHIER, FASTER GROWING DEMOGRAPHIC AND PROVEN NEARBY DEMAND DRIVERS MAKE IT A MORE COMPELLING FORWARD LOOKING RETAIL DESTINATION THAN EASTON IN THE FUTURE.
UH, THANKS AARON AND GILLY FOR TEEING THIS UP.
UM, THEY COVERED A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
YEAH, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, OH, SORRY.
THEY ALREADY DONE IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, DANIEL AYERS, UH, 3 9 9 5 PATRICIA DRIVE, UH, UP ARLINGTON, UM, 4 3 2, 2 0, UH, PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE OF THE PROJECT, UM, AND OVERSEEING WITH THE, UM, WORKING WITH THE TEAM THAT AARON HAD OUTLINED.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH.
YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN A CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THIS, UH, THAT WAS PRESENTED ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
UM, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH KIND OF THE OVERALL VISION, UM, THAT WE HAD PRESENTED BACK THEN HOLDS THROUGH TO TODAY.
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COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM THAT MEETING AND REALLY CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AND ENHANCE THE OVERALL, UH, DEVELOPMENT.SO ONE OF THE KEY ASPECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IS, THIS IS A, NOT JUST A ONE PHASE, NOT A TWO PHASE OR, OR THREE PHASES.
A MULTI-PHASE, MULTI-GENERATIONAL PROJECT THAT'S REALLY GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT ON THIS LOCATION IN THIS AREA THAT WILL CONTINUE TO ENHANCE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO FIND NEW AND UNIQUE PLACES TO LIVE, CREATE WALKABLE COMMUNITIES THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE IN, UH, THE PLACE THAT THEY COULD WORK AND THAT THEY CAN PLAY AND THEY CAN LIVE IN THOSE LOCATIONS IN THE REGION.
THIS, IN THIS LOCATION IS ACTUALLY REALLY A UNIQUE SITE.
WHEN WE FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT IT, JUST SEEING THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ITS CONNECTIVITY TO, UM, AS, AS GILEAD HAD HAD HIT ON THE CONNECTIVITY OF THE TRANSIT IN THAT AREA, THE BRT FUTURE BRT LINE COMING THROUGH REALLY CAN BECOME, UH, AN, AN ECONOMIC, UM, CATALYST FOR THIS LOCATION.
UM, IT ALSO WANTS TO CONNECT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND IN THIS LOCATION WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD BECOME THE, THE ELEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW IT TO START TO INFLUENCE THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY AROUND THE SITE, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF FUN AND, AND WE'VE BEEN STITCHING A LOT OF THAT HISTORY INTO, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT AS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT.
UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS SITE TO, TO REALLY CARRY A LITTLE BIT OF THAT TRADITION THROUGH, UH, THE HOUSE THAT WAS ON THE SITE IS NO LONGER THERE, BUT THERE IS A, AN ELEMENT THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE, UH, THAT CAN HELP GIVE A A LITTLE BIT OF A VESTIGE TO, UM, WHAT, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY HERE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE OUR SITE LOCATION, UH, A LITTLE OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN, UM, REALLY IN A POSITION THAT'S GONNA SERVICE, UM, MULTIPLE, UH, CITIES OUTSIDE OF DUBLIN, BUT ALSO DRAW FROM A, UH, COMMUNITY THAT, UH, OTHERWISE WOULDN'T, UM, WOULD, WOULDN'T MAYBE NOT HAVE AS EASY OF ACCESS TO BRIDGE PARK.
THIS PROVIDES ANOTHER LOCATION THAT STARTS TO BALANCE OUT, I THINK, ACCESS TO THESE TYPE OF FEATURES AND THESE TYPE OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS.
SO WITHIN THE SITE, UM, AS YOU KIND OF GO AROUND, UH, WE HAVE DUBLIN GREEN TO THE NORTH SIDE OF US OVER 1 61.
UH, WE HAVE THE INDUSTRIAL PARK TO, UH, TO THE WEST.
UM, THERE'S AN A EP, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SPORTS OHIO, WHICH WOULD BE HOPEFULLY WITH COS GRAY, UM, ENHANCEMENTS PROVIDE LINKAGE DOWN TO, TO THE SOUTH.
OUR GOAL IS TO TIE INTO THE SIGNATURE TRAIL AS IT COMES THROUGH ONCE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S COMING.
BUT THE GOAL IS TO REALLY, UM, ENHANCE THAT AND WORK THROUGH INDIAN RUN, UH, FOR SOUTH FORK IS IN THIS LOCATION.
AND OF COURSE, OHIO, UM, UNIVERSITY TO THE EAST.
UH, THE SITE, AS WAS STATED EARLIER, 43 ACRES.
UM, IT'S A A, A REALLY FLAT SITE.
IT'S GOT ABOUT A FOUR FOOT GRADE CHANGE ACROSS THE OVERALL SITE AND TO THE SOUTH SIDE, WE DO HAVE, UM, THE, THE CREEK AREA, UM, THAT WE ARE WORKING, UM, THAT WE'RE, UH, SET BACK OFF OF A COUPLE OF THE SITE PHOTOS.
UM, I THINK A LOT OF THESE, AGAIN, WE HAD GONE THROUGH ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
UM, AGAIN, NOT A LOT OF TOPOGRAPHY, NOT A LOT, UM, OUT THERE CURRENTLY.
I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO ALL THE ZONING.
THERE'S, UM, UH, THE GOAL, UM, IN THIS LOCATION, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY AT IS AGRICULTURE.
UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN HAS IT AS A MIXED USE CENTER, SO, UM, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR THAT REZONING TO COME ALONG WITH THE, UM, WITH THE PUD.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE FUTURE
WE'VE HAD MANY MEETINGS WITH THE CITY, UM, STAFF TO DETERMINE HOW THE, UH, FUTURE, UH, CIRCULATION FOR THE ROADS AROUND US ARE GONNA BE THE EXTENSION OF UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD, UM, AND OTHER FUTURE TRANSIT LOCATIONS AROUND OUR SITE.
THERE ARE THE THREE ROUNDABOUTS THAT WAS DISCUSSED ON 1 61 ALREADY IN PLACE, UH, REALLY DOES, AGAIN, GIVE US A, A NICE ACCESS POINT TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE, UH, WHERE WE WILL BE BRINGING, UM, WHERE WE SEE A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC COMING IN, PROBABLY ON UNIVERSITY, BUT WE'RE GIVING ACCESS OFF OF COS GRAND UNIVERSITY AND OFF OF 1 61, AS I SAID, THE FOUR FOOT GRADE CHANGE ACROSS THE SITE.
SO WE'VE BEEN ANALYZING A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE, OF THE PROJECT.
FLOODPLAINS MOSTLY TOWARDS OU.
UH, NOT AS BIG OF AN INFLUENCE, BUT A LITTLE BIT THAT COMES ALONG THE CREEK BED.
BUT NOTHING THAT WE SEE IN THE FEMA MAPS THAT HAS, UM, A MAJOR INFLUENCE ON THE PROJECT.
AND THEN WALKABILITY, I THINK IT'S A, UM, THROUGHOUT THIS, MY HOPE IS TO HIT A COUPLE OF POINTS AROUND SUSTAINABILITY.
UH, WE ARE AT A PUD LEVEL, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE KEY ASPECTS IN OUR MIND IS WALKABILITY AND HOW CAN THIS DEVELOPMENT ITSELF BE WALKABLE, BUT THEN HAVE ITS, UH, FUTURE CONNECTIONS, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH THE SIGNATURE TRAIL OR THROUGH OTHER MEANS THAT TIES IT TO OTHER AREAS, UM, TIES IT INTO THE COMMUNITY AROUND
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US.THE OVERALL CONCEPT STAYS THE SAME FROM WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE CONCEPT PLAN.
UH, WE'RE BRINGING THE IDEA AND, AND THE WAY THIS IS DRAWN IS, IS REALLY GROWING FROM THAT SOUTH SIDE AND BRINGING THIS LARGE GREEN SPACE TO THE CENTER OF THE SITE.
UM, IN MANY RESPECTS, THAT ARROW PROBABLY COULD GO THE OTHER WAY, WHERE WE'RE REALLY BRINGING PEOPLE DOWN AND THROUGH TOWARDS A MORE GREEN AREA, WHICH IS TO THE CREEK.
UM, THE INDIAN RUN FORK TO THE SOUTH.
UM, AND THEN IT'S OVERLAYING WITHIN THAT A GRID THAT STARTS TO CREATE A VERY SIMPLE, UH, STRUCTURE FOR CIRCULATION, UH, VEHICULAR CIRCULATION, UH, MULT MULTIMODAL WITH, UH, DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO MOVE THROUGH THE SITE, ESPECIALLY ON THE CENTRAL GREEN ZONE.
WE HAVE WIDER BIKE PATHS, WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO SEPARATE PEDESTRIANS AND, UM, OTHER MODES, MODES OF, UM, CIRCULATION THROUGH THE SITE.
ON THE LEFT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE, UH, CONCEPT PLAN FROM ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
ON THE RIGHT IS THE UPDATED PLAN.
UM, THROUGH A LOT OF THIS WORKING WITH AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE WATER RETENTION THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH, UM, ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF EACH OF THE PARCELS TO A HIGHER LEVEL, UM, AND OF DETAIL THAT STARTS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT AND WHAT THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THESE, UH, PROJECTS WILL BE.
ALSO ENHANCING THE STREET SCAPES, GETTING THE, THE WIDTHS OF THE ROADS, GETTING THE SETBACKS FOR OUR BUILDINGS, UH, INTERNALLY TO THE SITE, BUT ALSO LOOKING EXTERNALLY, UM, AROUND THE SITE.
WE ALSO HAVE THE PREVIOUS RENDERINGS, UM, MORE FOR REFERENCE OF WHERE WE, WHERE WE WERE, UH, WITH THAT GREEN OPEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, AND OVERALL SITE, UM, BUILDING SIZE AND SCALE.
SO GOING THROUGH THE RENDERING, UH, REAL QUICK WE'RE, UM, ON THE, UH, NORTH, UH, EAST SIDE OF THE SITE LOOKING SOUTHWEST.
UH, WE'VE GOT THE HOTEL IN FRONT OF US, WHICH IS ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS, UM, THAT I THINK IN THIS LOCATION REALLY ANCHORS THAT CORNER REALLY BECOMES A SIGNATURE ELEMENT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ARRIVED AT THIS LOCATION, THAT FIRST PHASE.
WE ALSO HAVE A CONDO BUILDING, WHICH IS TO THE LEFT, AND THEN THE EVENT CENTER WOULD BE UP ON THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND OUR GOAL IN A LOT OF THIS IS TO GET PEOPLE UP AND LOOKING OUT ACROSS THE SITE.
UM, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WITH THE, UM, THE CENTERPIECE, WHICH IS OUR OBSERVATION TOWER, WHICH IS AN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO GET UP AND SEE OUT AROUND THE CITY, UH, NOT JUST BEING DOWN IN AND AROUND THE ACTIVITY THAT'S, THAT'S THERE.
UM, THE SETBACKS, IT'LL BE DISCUSSED THROUGH A LOT OF THIS.
UM, ON 1 61, WE ARE 50 FEET BACK AS THE SETBACK LINE, BUT THE ACTUAL BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ARE CLOSER TO 75, 80 FEET AT DIFFERENT SPOTS.
CERTAIN PLACES DO GET CLOSER TO THAT ACTUAL SETBACK LINE, BUT WE ARE PROVIDING MORE WITH, UM, MORE, UH, DEPTH OFF OF THAT SETBACK.
WE'RE NOT PUSHED UP TO THE LINE AT EVERY LOCATION.
AND ON UNIVERSITY THE SETBACK IS, UM, IS 25 FEET, BUT WE ARE THE BUILDING, THE CONDO BUILDING IS ACTUALLY SET BACK, UM, ALMOST 80 FEET AT THAT POINT.
IF WE COME DOWN UNIVERSITY IN THIS VIEW WOULD BE BEHIND US.
YOU'VE GOT THE CONDO BUILDING TO THE LEFT, UH, RETAIL TO THE, OR CONDO BUILDING TO THE RIGHT, SORRY, AND RETAIL TO THE LEFT.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE MAIN ENTRY POINT THAT WE SEE.
UM, A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC COMING IN OFF OF 1 61 INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, THE VERTICAL, UH, TOWER, UM, OBSERVATION TOWER IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE MOVE KIND OF ONE BLOCK IN NOW THE GROCERY STORES TO OUR LEFT WITH A OFFICE SPACE ABOVE, UH, TO THE RIGHT IS THE APARTMENT BUILDING AND YOU CAN START TO SEE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE ACTIVITY OF THE STREET LIFE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE WITHIN THIS AREA.
ONE OF THE KEY FEATURES, AGAIN, OF THE DEVELOPMENT FROM A BOTH, YOU KNOW, A WALKABILITY IS ALSO THE ABILITY TO COME AND HAVE ACCESS TO, UM, ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE SITE.
SO IN THE CENTER ZONE HERE, AN AM OUTSIDE AMPHITHEATER SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER, UH, RETAIL THAT SUPPORTS IT ON, ON THE UPPER LEVEL.
UH, THE ABILITY FOR, UM, UH, ACCESS TO THIS GREEN OPEN SPACE.
WE'VE DISCUSSED AND TALKED WITH, UH, PARKS AND REC ABOUT OPPORT OPPORTUNITIES OF HOW TO ACTIVATE THESE IN, IN WAYS AND HOW TO, UH, WORK THROUGH ON REALLY BRINGING THE COMMUNITY OUT INTO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE, UH, OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
WE'D SHOW WE'RE SHOWING KIND OF A MESH LED MESH, WHICH WOULDN'T, UH, THE GOAL WOULDN'T BE A SUPER BRIGHT WALL, BUT THESE ARE JUST SOME DIFFERENT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES OF HAVING AN ANIMATION OR ABILITY TO HAVE, UH, THE, THE WALL PROVIDE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW, UM, WHEN HOLIDAYS ARE COMING OR DIFFERENT ASPECTS.
IT'S NOT ABOUT ADVERTISEMENT, BUT ABOUT, UH, PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DIFFERENT, UM, UH, TIMES OF YEAR THAT IT COULD BE SHOWING DIFFERENT THINGS IN THIS VIEW WE'RE, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, LOOKING BACK UP OUR LIVING STREET.
THIS, UH, THIS WOULD BE A MORE UNIQUE, UM,
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STREET THAT, UH, WE WOULD, UH, DO MORE OF A WRF, WHICH WOULD TAKE THE CURBS OUT.IT ALLOWS FOR MARKETS AND OTHER THINGS TO BE DONE.
WE HAVE DESIGNED IT IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS THIS STREET TO BE CLOSED DOWN AND CIRCULATION AROUND THE SITE CONTINUE TO FUNCTION, UM, EASILY.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE THE WALKWAY THAT STARTS TO GO UP ON TOP OF THE RETAIL.
AND THIS AGAIN, IS A, IS A WAY THAT WE WANT TO CREATE A PLACE THAT PEOPLE SEE, UM, THAT THEY CAN, UM, ENGAGE WITH THE OUTDOOR SPACE IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
THERE'S RETAIL, THERE'S RESTAURANTS AND THE ABILITY FOR, UM, ACTIVITIES TO BE HAPPENING, UM, YEAR ROUND IN THIS AREA AS WE MOVE FURTHER SOUTH INTO THE SITE.
UM, WE WORK, WE'RE WORKING ON MANY DIFFERENT SCALES HERE.
UM, THERE'S APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE, UM, SIX AND SEVEN STORIES, BUT WE LINE THEM WITH TOWN HOMES, THREE STORY, TWO STORY TOWN HOMES, UH, VERY WALKABLE, UH, PEDESTRIAN LEVEL SCALED STREETS, UM, THAT PROVIDE THAT SCALE THAT, THAT REALLY WORKS WITHIN THIS RESIDENTIAL ZONE, BUT ALLOWS YOU TO THEN HAVE ACCESS AGAIN ONE BLOCK AWAY UP INTO THE ACTIVITY AND THE OPPORTUNITIES OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE HERE, AS WE LOOK BACK, UH, THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A KIND OF CULTURAL BUILDING TO THE FURTHER SOUTH.
WE'VE MOVED THAT A LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTH.
IT'S MORE OF A, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A, UH, A LOCATION FOR PEOPLE TO RENT OUT.
UH, IT COULD BE RETAIL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH ON THE PROGRAMS, BUT ALL OF THE WATER TO THE SOUTH END BECOMES, UM, DETAILING THE EDGE THAT PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THE WATER, UM, AS A WATER RETENTION BASIN.
BUT ALSO WHEN WE THINK OF THE OVERALL WATER FLOW THROUGH THE SITE, WE ARE EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES TO DO, UM, UH, WATER, UH, FILTRATION UNDERGROUND AS IT MOVES TO THESE LOCATIONS.
UM, BUT WAYS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY, UH, CLEAN AS MUCH OF THE WATER AS IT MOVES THROUGH THE OVERALL SYSTEM.
AGAIN, I'M GONNA JUMP AHEAD TO THE NEXT ONE, WHICH, UM, IN THE CENTRAL, UH, PORTION ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, WE HAVE OUR MAIN ROAD, OUR NORTH ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH THE SITE, A, B, AND C SITES TO THE NORTH.
ALL THE PINK IS RETAIL AND OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, ENHANCING AND REALLY, UM, AS GILLY WAS HITTING ON, BRING PEOPLE OUT INTO THESE AREAS, FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
THE D ONE SITE WOULD BE OUR GROCERY STORE.
AGAIN, VERY CENTRAL TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING, UH, WITHIN THE SITE.
UM, AND THEN AS YOU MOVE FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, IT'S MORE RESIDENTIAL.
THERE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT GRADE, UH, WHICH GIVES A VERY DIFFERENT SCALE AND A VERY DIFFERENT FEEL ALONG THOSE STREET SCAPES.
AND THEN, UH, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT AARON HIT ON, ON COS GRAY ITSELF, WE HAVE MOVED THE ROAD GIVEN ALL OF THE PARCELS OF LAND TO THE, UH, WEST HAND ON WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD.
WE HAD, UM, THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO BRING THE ROAD INTO OUR SITE, SO BRING THE RIGHT OF WAY INTO OUR SITE AND ALLOW THOSE NEW, THE, UH, WIDER ROAD TO ACTUALLY OCCUR, UM, INTO OUR, AND KIND OF DECREASE OUR SITE A LITTLE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, LOOKING AT THE OPPORTUNITY OF MAKING THIS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT FEEL ACCESSIBLE.
UM, IF YOU IMAGINE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING ON RIVERSIDE AND YOU'RE GOING BY UH, BRIDGE PARK, THE BUILDINGS ARE A LOT CLOSER TO THE ROAD.
YOU SEE THE RETAIL, YOU SEE THE ACTIVITY, YOU SEE PEOPLE SITTING AT PENS AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARK RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF THOSE, THOSE IT'S THE QUICK IN THE QUICK OUT, BUT IT FEELS ACCESSIBLE.
OUR CONCERN OF SETTING THESE BUILDINGS TOO FAR BACK IS IT FEELS LIKE, WELL, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO GO INTO THAT.
BUT WHEN IT'S OUT AT THE STREET AND IT HAS AN URBAN SCALE TO IT, I THINK IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO FEEL VERY APPROACHABLE.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT COS GRAY OF, OF DOING A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ACCESS, UM, REALLY ONLY ON THOSE THREE BUILDINGS ON THAT SIDE, BUT IT IS MUCH TIGHTER TO THE ROAD.
UM, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE THAT ACTIVITY THAT WE THINK IS NECESSARY FOR THAT.
THE REST OF THE SETBACKS, YOU CAN SEE THE RED AND THE BLUE LINES ON THERE.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE SOME OF THE BUILDINGS GET CLOSE, BUT WE ARE SETTING BACK IN DIFFERENT AREAS AT A MUCH, UM, UH, FURTHER BACK, ESPECIALLY THE HOTEL ON THE CORNER.
UM, AND THEN OVERALL HEIGHTS IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION POINT THAT, UM, WAS GONNA BE GOING THROUGH TODAY.
THERE ARE THREE BUILDINGS THAT ARE AT ABOUT 125 FEET HEIGHT.
UM, KEY TO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, OPPORTUNITY OF DEVELOPMENT.
THE CODES ARE SET TO, UM, BUILDING HEIGHTS UP TO 125 FEET.
YOU HAVE A CERTAIN SET OF CODES AND REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION AND OTHERS ONCE YOU GO OVER 1 25, THERE'S A NEW SET OF REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THESE UP ONLY IN THREE LOCATIONS TO A LITTLE TALLER HEIGHT ALLOWS THOSE TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS IN THE HOTEL TO REALLY BE THOSE SIGNATURE PIECES.
AND ALSO CREATES A DIVERSITY OF HEIGHT OVER THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
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THERE ARE, UH, FIVE OTHER BUILDINGS AT AROUND A HUNDRED AND THEN EVERYTHING DROPS BELOW THAT.SO NUMBER OF FLOORS I KNOW AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT THERE ARE, MOST OF THESE ARE EIGHT OR NINE FLOORS, UM, SO NOT SUBSTANTIALLY OVER.
AND REALLY THOSE ONES AT 125 ARE A BIT TALLER, BUT WE BELIEVE IN LOCATIONS THAT REALLY DO FIT, UM, FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN THESE ARE THOSE OVER ELEVATIONS CALLING OUT THOSE HEIGHTS FOR EACH OF THE BUILDINGS.
AGAIN, ONE OF THE INTEREST, UH, INTERESTING DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THIS AND BRIDGE PARK.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT BRIDGE PARK, IT IS MAXED OUT ALL AT ONE ELEVATION ACROSS ALMOST THE WHOLE SITE.
SO THIS DOES GIVE A DIVERSITY, WHICH I THINK FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT IS OF INTEREST, DOES CREATE SOME DIVERSITY AND GIVES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK, UM, A A BIT DIFFERENT THAN, UM, BRIDGE PARK.
UH, WE VARIED IN, UM, SOME OF THE ROOFTOPS ALSO, SO THEY'RE NOT ALL PERFECTLY FLAT GIVING SOME DETAIL AND OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE FACADES.
ALL OF THIS, AGAIN, IS, UH, FOR PUD, NOT FOR FINAL.
SO THESE ARE, UM, INITIAL REPRESENTATIONS, UM, AND CAN GIVE COMMENT ON, UM, HOW THESE OVERALL BUILDINGS ARE STARTING TO COME TOGETHER.
UM, AND THEN PHASING, I'M JUST GONNA FLIP THROUGH THESE PRETTY QUICK, BUT IT DOES GIVE YOU A SENSE OF HOW THIS CAN BUILD UP OVER TIME AND HOW WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THAT ACTIVITY ON THE NORTH HAND SIDE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
AND THAT AS EACH PHASE, UM, GROWS AND MOVES FORWARD, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN GET, UH, THOSE NEXT PHASES ONLINE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THE ICING, WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL OF PAD READY SITES.
SO WHEN A, A ATTENDANT IS READY, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S HAPPENING AT BRIDGE PARK, WE CAN BUILD THOSE BUILDINGS WITH, UM, EITHER THE REST, BUILD THE PARKING AHEAD OR BUILD IT ALL AS ONE.
WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THE FLEXIBILITY AND OPPORTUNITY WITHIN EACH OF THESE SITES TO BUILD INTO PHASE THREE.
MORE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE CENTRAL SPACE BECOMES ALMOST COMPLETE.
UH, MORE RESIDENTIAL COMES ONLINE.
UH, SOME OF THAT LOWER SCALE, UH, STARTS TO COME INTO PLAY.
THE TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS, AGAIN, TIMING COULD DEPEND ON, UH, ON HOW THOSE, UH, COME UP FROM A, A LEASING IN THE MARKET.
AND THEN THE FINAL PHASES TO THE SOUTH, UH, WOULD BUILD OUT ALMOST ALL RES IS ALL RESIDENTIAL AT THIS POINT WITH VERY LITTLE RETAIL ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UM, AND THEN THE OVERALL ELEVATION.
SO THERE'S A LOT, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PARTS AND PIECES DO THIS.
WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BE VERY INTENTIONAL WITH A, A LOT OF THE MOVES.
WE HAVE TRIED TO GIVE A LOT OF EXTRA SPACE IN FRONT OF BUILDINGS, IN FRONT OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS SO THAT THE SIDEWALKS NOT RIGHT UP AT THE FACE OF THE BUILDING.
WE HAVE FIVE, 10 FEET OF SPACE FOR PATIOS AND OUTDOOR SPACE.
WE'RE GIVING THE SPACE THAT WE NEED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO FOR, UM, CREATING A GREAT LIVABLE, WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT IN DUBLIN.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO FINISH UP BY, UM, I, I, I NOTED AND I'VE NOTED OVER, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE TERM UNIQUELY DUBLIN OR DISTINCTLY DUBLIN IS USED A LOT AND NEVER QUITE UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT MEANS.
AND I'M NOT SURE ANYBODY CAN TELL YOU WHAT IT MEANS, BUT, BUT BOY, THIS IS DISTINCTLY DUBLIN, UNIQUELY DUBLIN AND, AND UNIQUELY A LOT OF PLACES.
SO, UM, WE HOPE YOU AGREE THAT THIS IS A, AN EXCITING PROJECT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, THE 43 AC ACRES SITE IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF POST ROAD AND STATE ROUTE, OR STATE ROUTE 1 61 IN UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD.
UM, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED ID TWO.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REZONING AS THEY MENTIONED TO A PUD UM, DEVELOPMENT.
UH, YOU CAN NOTE THERE IS A TRIBUTARY TO THE SOUTH WORK AT THE SITE, UH, SOUTH OF THE SITE.
UM, TO THE WEST IS COS GRAY ROAD AND OFFICIAL INDUSTRIAL PARK TO THE EAST UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD IN A FUTURE EXTENSION.
AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, STATE ROUTE 1 61 TO THE NORTH, WHICH DOES CARRY HEAVIER TRUCK TRAFFIC AS IT IS A STATE ROUTE.
UM, WITH THE COSTCO, UM, AND DUBLIN GREEN DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH, UM, THIS HAS BEEN, OR THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL HAS BEEN TO THE COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY.
UM, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THEY ARE FILING A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING.
UM, THAT IS THE SECOND STEP AND THE THREE STEP PUD PROCESS.
UM, WE ARE BRINGING FORTH AN INFORMAL VERSION OF THIS PDP TO THE COMMISSION AS IT IS A LARGE AND COMPLEX DEVELOPMENT, UM, WITH THE MIXED USE NATURE.
SO WE ARE REQUESTING FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED THAN A, UH, TYPICAL INFORMAL REVIEW, BUT NO ACTION IS REQUIRED.
AS I MENTIONED, THIS CASE WAS MOST
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RECENTLY IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION IN JANUARY, 2025.THE COMMISSION EXPRESSED GENERAL SUPPORT, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, BUT DID PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK THAT INCLUDED EMPHASIS ON THE NEED TO BALANCE EMPLOYMENT USES WITH RESIDENTIAL USES.
CONCERNS REGARDING BUILDING HEIGHTS SPECIFICALLY AT THE HOTEL AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UM, AS WELL AS EXPLORING A GREATER VARIETY OF BUILDING HEIGHTS.
UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN FEATURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SITE IS MIXED USE CENTER.
THE INTENT OF THIS CATEGORY, UM, IS TO ESTABLISH VIBRANT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZED AROUND AN OPEN SPACE RECOMMENDED PRINCIPAL USES, UM, OUR OFFICE, HOSPITALITY, MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LAB, LABORATORY SPACE AND RD SUPPORTING USES INCLUDE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL.
UM, MIXED USES ARE RECOMMENDED BOTH HORIZONTALLY AND VERTICALLY AND STRATEGIC LOCATIONS AND BUILDING HEIGHTS ARE RECOMMENDED BETWEEN TWO AND EIGHT STORY WITH AN EMPHASIS ON PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBILITY AND SCALE.
THE SITE IS ALSO WITHIN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT SPECIAL AREA PLAN.
THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THE WID IS TO SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY.
UM, SPECIFIC SPECIAL AREA PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS SITE, UM, INCLUDE OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND THE CA CAMPUS ENVIRONMENT IN A MIXED USE, UM, SETTING AND TO ESTABLISH A GREEN EDGE ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF POST ROAD 1 61.
IN ADDITION TO FUTURE LAND USE, THE COMMUNITY PLAN MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGH THE MULTIMODAL THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UM, POST ROAD IS AN ARTERIAL STREET, UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD IS A COMMUTER BOULEVARD COS GRAY ROAD IS A CONNECTOR BOULEVARD.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT THESE STREETS GROW UP TO BE.
UM, AS APPLICANT NOTED, UNIVERSITY IS INTENDED TO EXTEND AND MEET, UM, THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY PHASE THREE PROJECT THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY STARTING PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING FOR COS GRAY ROAD IS INTENDED TO GROW UP TO A FOUR-LANE BOULEVARD.
THE CITY IS ALSO IN EARLY STEPS TO FURTHER STUDY THAT ROAD.
IN ADDITION TO THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES, THE COMMUNITY PLAN MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHARACTERS, STREET SCAPES, POST ROAD AS IDENTIFIED AS A RURAL CORRIDOR.
UM, THIS PROVIDES FEEDBACK OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SETBACKS WHICH ARE 100 TO 200 AS OTHER AS WELL, AS WELL AS OTHER STREETSCAPE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, COS GRAY ROAD AND UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD ARE BOTH RECOMMENDED AS TRADITIONAL DUBLIN CHARACTER THAT SETBACK FOR THAT IS 100 FEET OR EQUIVALENT.
UM, ILLUSTRATED HERE IS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE APPLICANT REVIEWED.
SIMILARLY, HERE ARE THE USES THE APPLICANT IS OR IS PROPOSING, UM, A MIX OF USES.
UM, THE COMMISSION WILL BE ASKED TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE BUILDING USES ALSO THE GROUND FLOOR USES.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE THEY'RE LABELED A-B-C-D-E-F-G-G-H-J.
UM, THIS IS AN ORGANIZING ELEMENT FOR THE SITE PLAN, BUT THIS WILL ALSO LIKELY BE USED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, UM, TO GOVERN DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
SO PLEASE, UM, FEEL FREE TO KIND OF USE THAT AS YOU DELIVER FEEDBACK.
IN ADDITION TO USES, UM, THE APP, THE COMMISSION IS ALSO BEING ASKED TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON POTENTIAL USES OCCURRING FROM PHASING OR TEMPORARY USES AS THE APPLICANT JUST WALKED THROUGH A POTENTIAL PHASING PLAN, WHICH WOULD, UM, LEAVE SURFACE PARKING LOTS EXPOSED TO SOME OF THE SURROUNDING THOROUGHFARES.
SO THAT COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE ASKED TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THOSE CONDITIONS.
SHOWN HERE ARE THE BUILDING HEIGHTS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, AS I MENTIONED, RECOMMENDS BUILDING HEIGHTS BETWEEN TWO AND EIGHT STORIES, LOW LOW TO MIDRISE BUILDINGS WITH EMPHASIS ON PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBILITY.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS CHANGED THE BUILDING HEIGHTS FROM THE LAST TIME THE COMMISSION RE PROVIDED FEEDBACK.
UM, GENERALLY THE BUILDING HEIGHTS ARE HIGHER.
UM, HEIGHTS ARE TALLER TOWARDS POST ROAD AND STEP BACK, BUT ARE ALSO HIGHER ALONG THE PERIMETER THOROUGHFARE STREETS.
ONE TOPIC WE ARE SEEKING COMMISSION FEEDBACK TONIGHT ARE PERIMETER SETBACKS.
ESTABLISHING PERIMETER SETBACKS IS A, A CRITICAL STEP IN SHAPING THE BUILDABLE ENVELOPE.
BUFFERING AND TRANSITIONS BETWEEN ADJACENT USES, PRESERVING SPACES FOR UTILITIES AND LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS AND SOFTENING DEVELOPMENT EDGES.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STEP TO ESTABLISHING DEVELOPMENT TECHS AND ZONING, UM, AND SHAPING THE DEVELOPMENT.
THOSE SETBACKS WILL BE MEASURED FROM FUTURE RIGHTS OF WAY AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED.
UM, THESE STREETS WILL BE WIDENING OR CHANGING IN THE FUTURE, SO IT'D BE MEASURED FROM THE FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY, NOT CURRENT PROPERTY LINES.
GOING TO STEP THROUGH EACH OF THE FOUR PERIMETERS.
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PERIMETER ON THE WEST, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 20 FOOT MINIMUM, 40 FOOT MAXIMUM SETBACK.UM, THEY DO MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR THE SOUTHWEST AREA J WITH A MAXIMUM 50.
THE BUILDING HEIGHTS, UH, ALONG THIS FRONTAGE ARE UP TO 125 FEET.
AS I MENTIONED, THE COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS CORRIDOR IS A HUNDRED.
RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATION SO THAT, UH, COMMISSION CAN BE ASKED TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK IF THAT IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS NATURE.
ON THE UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING A 20 FOOT SETBACK WITH A MAXIMUM OF 110 BUILDING HEIGHTS ON THIS CORRIDOR.
ADDITIONALLY, ON THIS FRONTAGE, THE OU CAMPUS IS TO THE EAST.
UM, FOR REFERENCE, A MIX OF HIGH-RISE, THREE TO FOUR STORY AND LOW RISE, ONE TO TWO STORY BUILDINGS ARE EXISTING AND PROPOSED AS PART OF THE OU FRAMEWORK FOR, AGAIN, FOR THE COMMISSIONS CONSIDERATION ALONG THE POST ROAD 1 61, UH, PERIMETER TO THE NORTH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 50 FOOT SETBACK AND A MAXIMUM OF 75.
BUILDING HEIGHTS HERE ARE 125 OR UP TO 125 WITH 11 FOOT STORIES.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED, UH, CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT KIND OF SHOW SOME OF THE SETBACKS, UM, OR NO SETBACKS AND STEP BACKS OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, WITH RELATIONSHIP TO EACH STREET FRONTAGE.
AND THEN THE LAST IS THE SOUTH OF THE TRIBUTARY, UM, TO THE SOUTH FORK WHERE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 50 FOOT NO BUILD ZONE FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THE INDIAN RUN WITH BUILDINGS UP TO 99 FEET.
UM, IN HEIGHT OR NINE STORIES.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE OU FRAMEWORK OR THE OU CAMPUS AND THE OU FRAMEWORK, A CENTRAL TENANT OR RECOMMENDATION OF THE FRAMEWORK IS CREATING AN EAST WEST GREEN CAMPUS, UM, WITH A TERMINAL SIGNATURE BUILDING HIGHLIGHTED HERE WITH THE STAR.
UM, THE COMMISSION WAS PREVIOUSLY ASKED TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WITH THE OU CAMPUS AND THE FUTURE OF THE CAMPUS.
THE APPLICANT HAD PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED A GREEN SPACE IN THIS AREA.
TODAY THEY'RE PROPOSING A ONE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING SURFACE LOT.
UM, ADJACENT TO THIS, THE COMMISSION WILL BE ASKED IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE OR THEIR FEEDBACK ON THAT CONDITION.
SHOWN HERE IS THAT 3D EXXON METRIC VIEW WITH THE SURFACE PARKING UP TO THE BUILDING LINE WITH LIMITED, UM, LANDSCAPING OR SETBACK AND POTENTIAL LOADING FOR THE RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL SPACE.
UM, THE OPEN SPACE, UH, FRAMEWORK THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED TO THE BY THE COMMISSION IS ON THE LEFT, UM, WITH THE UPDATED ONE THAT THE APPLICANT WALKED THROUGH THE EAST OR TO THE RIGHT RATHER.
UM, THEY WILL BE WORKING TO TRANSLATE THIS FRAMEWORK, UM, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND ZONING.
SO THE COMMISSION WILL BE ASKED TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON WAYS TO TRANSLATE THIS VISION.
UM, HERE ARE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF OPEN SPACES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
THE MIXED USE CENTER RECOMMENDATION, UM, DOES STRONGLY RECOMMEND ORGANIZING DEVELOPMENT AROUND OPEN SPACES.
SO THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS THIS EVENING, UM, ARE KIND OF LAYERED TO HELP PROVIDE THAT MORE DETAILED FEEDBACK THAT WE ARE ASKING THE COMMISSION FOR TONIGHT.
SO I'M GONNA READ THROUGH EACH OF ONE OF THEM AND GO TO THAT TYPICAL DISCUSSION QUESTION SLIDE.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE THAT WE ARE ASKING IS THE COMMISSION SUPPORTIVE OF THE PERIMETER BUILDING SETBACKS OR HEIGHTS.
WE'RE ASKING THE COMMISSION TO PLEASE CONSIDER FEEDBACK AND SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED SETBACKS.
RECOMMEND AN INCREASE IN SETBACKS, SUGGEST UPPER STORY SETBACKS, EXAMPLE ABOVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FLOORS, CALL FOR REDUCED BUILDING HEIGHTS, OR A COMBINATION OF ANY OF THESE APPROACHES OR OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AND TO PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK IN RELATIONSHIP TO EACH OF THE FOR FRONTAGES OR PERIMETERS.
THE SECOND QUESTION, BUILDING OFF OF THIS IS IF THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE BUILDING HEIGHTS ENTERING TRANSITIONS, UM, PLEASE CONSIDER THE PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHTS AND IF BUILDING HEIGHTS ABOVE OR BELOW, IF THE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION ARE SUPPORTED BY THE COMMISSION OR IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC LOCA LOCATIONS OR BLOCKS THAT THEY'RE APPROPRIATE, PLEASE ALSO CONSIDER THE MASSING AND GENERAL ARTICULATION, UM, THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED IN THE CONTEXT OF EACH DEVELOPMENT BLOCK, AS I MENTIONED, THE A BCD, UM, AND ITS LOCATION IN THE BROADER SITE AND, UM, ITS CONTEXT WITHIN THAT SITE.
THE THIRD QUESTION IS IF THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTED OF THE USES IN THEIR ARRANGEMENT OF USES.
AS I MENTIONED, UH, THE COMMISSION
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PROVIDED GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE FEEDBACK DURING THE CONCEPT PLAN OF THESE USES.BUT AS WE TRANSLATE TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXTS WHERE WE WERE ALLOWING PERMITTED OR NOT PERMITTED USES, UM, WE WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK.
UM, SO PLEASE CONSIDER THE BALANCE OF EMPLOYMENT GENERATING USES VERSUS RESIDENTIAL USES.
SPECIFIC USES THAT SHOULD BE DISCOURAGED OR PROHIBITED OR DESIRED IN SOME CASES, PLACES PLACEMENT OF THESE USES WITHIN EACH OF THE DEVELOPMENT BLOCKS OR SUB AREAS.
GROUND FLOOR USES, USES FRONTING ADJACENT PERIMETER THOROUGHFARES, POTENTIAL PHASING USES IN TEMPORARY CONDITIONS, CREATING BY THAT PHASING, UM, AND THEN PARKING AS A USE.
UM, THE NEXT QUESTION IS, IS THE COMMISSION SUPPORTIVE OF THE SURFACE PARKING LOTS FACING UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD? PLEASE CONSIDER IF SURFACE PARKING IS AN APPROPRIATE TREATMENT, IF THE SURFACE PARKING IS APPROPRIATE, ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS, ADDITIONAL SETBACKS NOT FORWARD TO THE BUILDING SCREENING, ET CETERA.
AND THEN CONSIDER THE PROPOSED RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OU CAMPUS.
AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS, IS THE COMMISSION SUPPORTIVE OF THE UPDATES TO THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK? UM, DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE CHANGES TO THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK? CONSIDER WAYS THAT WE WILL TRANSLATE THIS TO, UH, O OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK TO THE DEVELOPMENT TECH.
SO CERTAIN PARAMETERS, MINIMUM SIZES, LOCATIONS, FEATURES, THINGS THAT WE CAN TURN INTO STANDARDS OR CHARACTERISTICS.
SO HERE ARE THE QUESTIONS AND OF COURSE IF THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THE COMMISSION WISHES TO PROVIDE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE START.
ONE SUGGESTION I THINK IS WHEN YOU GET CASE, THOSE QUESTIONS ARE SO SPECIFIC THAT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO PUT EACH ONE OF THOSE UP, UM, WHEN IT'S TIME FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, SO NOW'S OUR OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF, UM, CHRIS ASK QUESTIONS OF OUR APPLICANTS.
UM, WHO WOULD LIKE TO START? I HAVE ONE.
SO, UM, AND I'LL FIRST SAY I'M IN A STATE OF SHOCK AT LOOKING AT THIS PROPOSAL, SO IT'LL TAKE ME A MINUTE.
I KNOW YOU'VE GONE THROUGH PREVIOUS RENDITIONS OF IT.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, UM, CAN OUR, UM, FIRE SERVICE, THE HEIGHT OF THESE BUILDINGS, IS THAT, HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THEM OR NOT? THAT WILL BE A CONSIDERATION WITH THIS PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, MOVING FORWARD, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THE BUILDING CODE HAS DIFFERENT HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP DOES PROVIDE SAFETY IN THIS AREA, AND THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN ONE OF THOSE REVIEWERS, UM, DURING, UM, THE PDP FILING.
BUT YOU'VE NOT HAD ANY INITIAL CONVERSATIONS AT THE MOMENT THAT YOU COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME IN THE BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE, UM, HIGHEST STRUCTURE IS? STORY NINE STORIES IS THE CURRENT TALLEST BUILDING, UM, THE AC HOTEL? I'M NOT SURE OF THE FEET HEIGHT.
AND, AND DO YOU KNOW IN THAT GENERAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT, WHAT THE ACREAGE IS BRIDGE ACROSS THAT BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR, ACROSS BRIDGE, ACROSS BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR, UM, ACROSS THE BRIDGE STREET, BRI BROADER CORRIDOR, WHICH INCLUDES FROM SAWMILL TWO 70 BRIDGE STREET, UM, TO THE 33 INTERCHANGE IS 1100 OR 1200 ACRES.
I BELIEVE THE BRIDGE PARK DEVELOPMENT ITSELF IS, UM, MORE CLOSER IN SCALE TO THIS SITE.
WHICH ONE DID YOU SAY? COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? UH, THE BRIDGE PARK DEVELOPMENT ITSELF WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT IS CLOSER IN SCALE TO THE APPLICANT'S SITE TONIGHT.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, I MEAN, I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTIONS, UH, THERE THAT I THINK IT'S THE THING THAT WE'RE ALL WONDERING IS YOU ALL, UH, KIND OF, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CURVE BALL IN MY OPINION.
ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS SITE'S GOTTEN A LOT, LOT DENSER AND A LOT BIGGER.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR DECISION TO GO SO HIGH? SO I GUESS MASSIVE, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM FROM, FROM WHAT WE SAW PREVIOUSLY? YEAH, I THINK, UM, SO FROM THE PREVIOUS, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL POINT OUT, AND IT WAS IN ONE OF CHRIS'S SLIDES TALKING ABOUT THE FAR FOR THE SITE, WHICH IS, UM, UH, RECOMMENDING 1.5 TO THREE, UH, FAR.
WE ARE AT A ONE POINT, WE ARE AT A 1.3, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ON THE LOW END OF THE FAR FROM A DENSITY, TRUE DENSITY SIDE.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, WE LOOKED AT IT FROM THE OVERALL OPPORTUNITY OF THE SITE AND HOW TO BEST TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BRINGING AS MANY PEOPLE, AS MUCH WORK, AS MUCH LIVE AND PLAY INTO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO EACH OF THOSE BLOCKS AS WE LOOKED AT THEM, IT'S ABOUT THE SCALE
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AND THE OPPORTUNITY OF CREATING THAT, THAT ACTIVITY.SO, UM, IUI USE THE EXAMPLE, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD ONE, BUT, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A, A HEIGHT LIMIT TO BUILD TO FROM AGAIN CODE, YOU DON'T STOP A FLOOR SHORT AND GO, WELL WE JUST DON'T WANT TO GO TALLER.
UM, YOU LOOK AT, AT MAXIMIZING THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND SO WE DID LOOK AT THE OVERALL SCALE OF THE PROJECT AND I WOULD SAY THE CORNER FIRST PHASE, SAME HEIGHT FOR THE HOTEL, SAME BASIC SCALE ON THAT BLOCK.
BUT AS WE MOVED FURTHER SOUTH TO SCALE DID INCREASE.
WE HAD SOME TOWN HOMES, UM, SMALLER TOWN HOMES, BUT THEY WERE JUST AT A, UM, THEY JUST, IT WASN'T FITTING INTO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, THE DENSITY AND SCALE OF WHAT WE SEE AT BRIDGE PARK IS WHAT WE STARTED TO MODEL A LITTLE BIT MORE AFTER LESS OF.
UM, YOU'LL SEE ACTUALLY WE ADDED, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, UM, YOU CAN BRING UP THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN, CHRIS.
THERE'S TWO ROADS THAT WE ADDED ON EITHER SIDE, WHICH ARE MORE OF LIKE THE SIDE ROADS THAT YOU WOULD SEE AT BRIDGE PARK.
THOSE ARE MORE MEANT TO BE THOSE ACCESS POINTS FOR THE OFFICE SPACE AND FOR THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO IN BETWEEN, SO WE HAVE THE MAIN CENTRAL GREEN SPACE AND ROADWAYS, THE, THE NEXT TWO CREATED ANOTHER SCALE AND ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH AN EASIER CIRCULATION, UH, PARKING GARAGE ACCESS THAT'S COMING OFF OF THOSE SIDE ROADS.
SO WE'RE NOT ACCESSING THE GARAGES FROM THAT CENTRAL GREEN SPACE.
WE'RE MAKING THAT CENTRAL AS PEDESTRIAN AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN THE SCALE ON EACH OF THESE, UM, BUILDINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM BOTH A CONSTRUCTABILITY.
SO THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY ARE LIKE A FIVE OVER TWO, UH, MORE TRADITIONAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL SEVEN STORY.
THE OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE TALLER ON THE PERIMETER, UM, BECAUSE IF WE TOOK THOSE TALLER BUILDINGS THAN PUT THEM IN THE MIDDLE, MIDDLE, EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT JUST TALLER BUILDINGS TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE, THE SITE.
UM, BUT IT, I THINK IT ALSO, THE OVERALL, UH, PLANNING FOR THE SITE GOT SMARTER AND ACTUALLY PROVIDES, UM, I THINK A SCALE TO EACH OF THESE PLACES THAT STILL FITS, UH, FOR THIS LOCATION.
SO THEN YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE, THE SITE RELATIVE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE 1 61 OU, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT, CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE HEIGHTS OF YOUR, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE AS COMPARED TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND, AND THE VERY, VERY, VERY DIFFERENT SCALE, UH, IN TERMS OF HEIGHT? YEAH.
AND SO UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD'S A GOOD EXAMPLE ON, ON THE OU SIDE.
UM, THEIR BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER.
I THINK CHRIS HAD MENTIONED THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE MASTER PLAN STANDS TODAY.
UM, BUT THERE WERE SOME FOUR AND FIVE STORY BUILDINGS OVER THERE.
UM, FROM OUR SIDE, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, THIS IS AN INNOVATION DISTRICT OFFICE BUILDINGS IN GENERAL ARE GONNA BE ON THE TALLER SIDE.
UM, SO THAT AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, BOTH THE R AND D WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE FIRST FLOOR OF THESE BUILDINGS TO BE TALLER SO THAT THEY SUPPORT AN R AND D TYPE ENVIRONMENT.
UM, WHEN WE GO TO THE NORTH, YES, COSTCO AND THE SETBACKS OF THE RETAIL IS AT A DIFFERENT SCALE.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE ARE SET BACK A LITTLE FURTHER, PROVIDING SOME MORE GREEN SPACE THERE.
SO WE'RE NOT UP AGAINST THE STREET.
BUT YES, COS GRAY IS PROBABLY THE ONE THAT IS JUST STARTING THE STUDY TO SEE WHAT COS GRAY IS GONNA BE, UH, IN THE FUTURE FROM A WIDENING AND OVERALL.
UM, BUT WE SEE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SCALE.
THAT'S PART OF THE INTEREST OF THIS SITE IS THERE ISN'T A LOT OF CONTEXT FOR US TO BASE OUR DESIGN ON AND, AND THAT I DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING IT, BUT I THINK THIS SETS THE CATALYST FOR FUTURE OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY AS YOU MOVE FURTHER TOWARDS OU AND TO THE EAST, TO HAVE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS CONTINUE TO BE, UM, OF SIMILAR SCALE.
AS WE LOOK TO THE WEST, IT'S HARDER TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT, THE, WHERE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WILL BE GOING.
SORRY, CAN I KEEP GOING? I HAVE A COUPLE MORE
CAN CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT TOO, ALONG THAT THE SAME LINES, HOW, HOW'D YOU ARRIVE AT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE BREAKDOWN OF RESIDENTIAL VERSUS OFFICE VERSUS RETAIL.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW, HOW YOU ARRIVED AT THOSE, WE'LL CALL 'EM PERCENTAGES.
IS THAT BASED ON, I I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE ONGOING CONCERN IS VACANT OFFICE SPACE AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH RESIDENTIAL HERE, BUT HOW'D YOU ARRIVE AT THE, THE BREAKDOWNS OF EACH OF THESE AREAS? 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE DEDICATED.
IF YOU, IT, IT ALL, UH, COMES DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO THE, UH, LOOKING AT WHAT IS COMMERCIAL SPACE VERSUS, UH, VERSUS THE RESIDENTIAL SPACE.
SO COMMERCIAL BEING OFFICE HOTEL IN OUR MIND IS AROUND 40% OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE RESIDENTIAL IS AT 60, WHICH STARTS TO HIT AT KIND OF SOME OF THE TARGETS THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY BE LOOKING AT FOR A MIXED USE AT THAT SCALE.
UM, IT ALSO WORKS WHEN IT COMES TO THE PARKING NUMBERS.
UM, REALLY WHEN, IF WE INCREASE THE OVERALL OFFICE, WE'RE INCREASING OUR OVERALL PARKING COUNTS RIGHT NOW.
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OF PARKING, UM, UH, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE ACTUAL, UM, THE ACTUAL RESIDENTIAL PARKING TO OFFICE AND RETAIL TO SUPPORT.AND THEN, AND THEN KIND OF A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, SORRY, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT I, IF YOU PULL UP THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE SQUARE FOOTAGES, THEY ARE FAIRLY SIMILAR ON THE RETAIL AND OFFICE TO WHAT BRIDGE PARK HAS.
'CAUSE I THINK, WHAT IS THAT? THE OFFICE HAS FIVE 16 HERE AND THEY'VE GOT THE 556,000.
SO THERE'S SLIGHTLY MORE BY LIKE 35, 40,000 SQUARE FEET THERE.
AND THE RETAIL HERE IS 180 AND I THINK THEIRS IS AROUND 230,000.
SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST TO GIVE YOU PERSPECTIVE.
AND THEN, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION.
S SO, SO THE BACK IN 20 JANUARY, 25, WHEN YOU WERE HERE LAST, UH, THE SITE DIDN'T FEEL QUITE AS, I'LL CALL IT, AS SIMILAR TO BRIDGE PARK.
AND NOW WE'RE STARTING TO KIND OF EASE IN LIKE GET, GET TO A CLOSER, I GUESS USE AS BRIDGE PARK WOULD BE, OR CLOSER FEEL I SHOULD SAY, FOR BRIDGE PARK.
H HOW, HOW DOES IT, HOW DO YOU SEE THIS? IT'S NOT, WE DON'T WANT IT TO COMPETE WITH BRIDGE PARK.
HOW DO YOU SEE IT AS A, YOU KNOW, A, A SUPPLEMENT OR ANCILLARY, HOW, HOW DO YOU SEE IT WITH BRIDGE PARK AND EVEN EASTON? AND YOU MENTIONED EASTON TO SOME DEGREE TOO, WITH ALL THAT TON.
I KNOW EASTON'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY DOESN'T NECESSARILY PERTAIN, BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT H HOW YOU, HOW YOU SEE IT WORKING WITH BRIDGE PARK AS OPPOSED TO AGAINST? IT'S, TO ME, IT'S AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE ALSO WHY WE PUT THAT INITIAL MAP UP.
YOU KNOW, BRIDGE PARK ENDS UP BEING VERY CENTRALIZED TO THE CITY.
AND EVEN FOR MYSELF COMING FROM UPPER ARLINGTON, IT'S, THE ACCESS TO THAT IS QUITE NICE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THIS SITE IS LOCATED FROM A COMPETITION AND FROM A RETAIL SIDE, YOU'RE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT PUTTING TWO THINGS COMPETING TOO CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER.
SO BY, WITH THEIR SEPARATION AND THEIR ACCESS FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, AND THE COMMUNITIES AROUND IT, IT DOES BECOME A NICE BALANCE AND A DRAW, UM, IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION.
SO FROM A, A COMPETITION SIDE, UM, AND EVEN TALKING WITH GUYS AT BRIDGE PARK AND CRAWFORD HOEING, THEY DON'T SEE IT AS COMPETITION JUST GIVEN ITS SEPARATION.
BUT THEN WHEN, UM, WHEN YOU DO, UH, START TO LOOK AT THE WAY THAT THE RETAIL'S LAID OUT, BRIDGE PARK IS VERY LINEAR ON ITS RETAIL ON THAT, ON, ON THE ONE STREET AND THE, THE MAR FARMER'S MARKET IS, THERE IS VERY ONE, ONE WAY, AND IN THIS CASE WE'RE DOING MORE OF A CENTRAL HUB THAT HAS ACCESS TO MORE OPEN SPACE.
YES, BRIDGE PARK, YOU, YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU HAVE THE PARK AND YOU HAVE THE BRIDGE, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THAT RETAIL EXPERIENCE.
THIS RETAIL EXPERIENCE IS AN OUTDOOR, BUT IT HAS AMPHITHEATERS AND OTHERS THAT'S ACTUALLY SUPPORTED BY THE RETAIL.
SO I THINK IT WILL BE, IT, IT WILL FEEL VERY DIFFERENT.
THERE ARE ASPECTS OF HOW IT'S PLANNED THAT, THAT WE USE.
WE'RE USING AS EXAMPLES OF WHAT BRIDGE PARK DID.
BUT WHAT BRIDGE PARK DID IS SMART PLANNING FROM THE ACCESS, VEHICULAR ACCESS, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
AND THEN THE RETAIL AND ITS ACTIVITY AGAIN, IS, IS MUCH MORE FOCUSED INTO ONE, UM, NODE TO THE NORTH.
SO THE, SO THE RETAIL BEING THE BIG DIFFERENT DIFFERENTIATOR.
YEAH, AND AND TO THAT POINT, I WAS GONNA SAY, IF YOU LOOK AT BRIDGE PARK, YOU HAVE VIRTUALLY ONLY FOOD BEVERAGE SERVICE.
THEY DON'T REALLY SUSTAIN THE RETAIL BECAUSE OF THEIR LOCATION.
WHEN IT COMES TO COSTCO BEING THERE, THE GAS, YOU'RE, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE ACCESS PEOPLE ARE GOING THERE FOR THE DAILY DRIVERS, WHETHER IT'S FUEL, WHETHER IT'S FOOD AND BEV GROCERIES ACROSS THE STREET, NOT JUST THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE FOR THE DINING, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT IN DUBLIN, I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE AWARE THEY'RE CONTINUING TO EXPAND THAT TO THE WEST.
THAT DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE LIKES OF CHICK-FIL-A WHOLE FOODS, SOME VERY LARGE BOX.
SO WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS IS THAT BRIDGE PARK DOESN'T HAVE IS THIS IS A REGIONAL TRADE AREA WITH THE WAY IT'S LOCATED WITH 33, AS I MENTIONED, THE DRAW FROM ALL THE WAY UP TO MARYSVILLE WEST TO PLAIN CITY.
THIS HAS BECOME A VERY MUCH REGIONAL PLACE IN COLUMBUS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE WOULD SEE NOT JUST FOOD AND BEVERAGE, BUT ALSO THE RETAIL.
WHEN YOU GO LOOK AT ANY CITY, CLEVELAND CROCKER PARK IS ON THE WEST SIDE.
SIMILAR SITUATION LIKE EAST SIDE, YOU HAVE RETAIL.
COLUMBUS IS UNIQUE AS I'M SURE WE'VE HEARD FROM
IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THAT FOOD AND BEVERAGE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO DOWNTOWN OR EASTON, BUT ONE THING THAT'S LACKING IS IF YOU WANT TO GO TO APPLE, I MEAN POLARIS SMALL ITSELF IS CLOSING INDOOR.
SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE VERY UNIQUE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING THAT BRIDGE PARK JUST HAS NEVER BEEN ABLE TO OFFER.
ONE LAST PIECE ON THAT IS THE, UM, THE OFFICE BUILDINGS ON THE SIDE, AS I MENTIONED, WITH THE HIGHER FLOOR TO FLOOR, THE RESEARCH IS, IT ACTUALLY BECOMES A, A PLACE.
AND, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS WITH PATH ROBOTICS, NOW THERE'S WANTING PLACE THAT THEY CAN DISPLAY THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND BY, BY HAVING THAT HIGHER FLOOR AND NOT RETAIL ON THOSE FACES, IT ACTUALLY PROVIDES A PLACE FOR THEM TO A, TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY AND AGAIN, ENHANCE AND WORK WITHIN THIS KIND OF INDUSTRIAL BUT ALSO INNOVATION CENTER WITHIN, UH,
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THE LARGER DUBLIN AREA.I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS BUT I'LL LET SOMEONE ELSE HAVE A TURN.
KATHY, THANKS AGAIN FOR BEING HERE AND WAITING THE OTHER NIGHT.
I HAVEN'T HEARD YOU MENTION MUCH ABOUT SPORTS OHIO AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THEM AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PARKING FOR THEM AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THEM STAYING IN YOUR HOTELS AND LEAVING THEIR CARS THERE AND KEEPING PEOPLE OFF THE ROAD GOING THAT DIRECTION.
IT'S ALSO A UNKNOWN OF HOW MUCH WE CAN GET OF THAT CONNECTION.
I MEAN, WE HAVE ONE PARCEL OF LAND BETWEEN US AND SPORTS OHIO, IT'S AN A EP PIECE OF LAND.
SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO COME OUT TO CAUSE GRAY AND, AND COME DOWN AS LONG AS THAT ROAD CAN ACCOMMODATE THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
WE'D SEE THAT HOTEL ON THE NORTH, PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO WALK TO THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN NECESSARILY SAY WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING.
BUT YES, IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE THERE AND PEOPLE CAN WALK ON NICE DAYS, THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL.
IF WE HAD OTHER MEANS, UM, WHETHER IT'S SCOOTERS OR OTHERS THAT COULD GO ALONG THERE, I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING THAT CORRIDOR SO WE CAN MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
AND WITH THE SIGNATURE TRAIL COMING IN ON THE SOUTH SIDE, IT CREATES ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO BE CONNECTED.
SO DID YOU HAVE THEM LISTED AS TO HOW MANY MINUTES IT TAKES THERE? WAS THAT THE FIVE MINUTES OR FIVE MINUTE? THAT'S WHAT I WAS.
DOES GO, YOU CAN GET BASICALLY TO THE SOCCER FIELDS, UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF UM, UH, SPORTS OHIO AND YOU COULD GET TO, UH, TO PRETTY MUCH ALL OF IT WITHIN A FIVE MINUTE WALK.
THAT SEEMS LIKE THE UNIQUE, UM, OPPORTUNITY.
THAT'S, WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE SEEN SIGNIFICANT HOTEL INTEREST.
THEY'RE TELLING US THAT WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON DOWN THERE AT SPARTZ, OHIO AS WELL, MARYSVILLE, THERE'S SOME OLDER COURTYARD BY MARRIOTTS THAT ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE CURRENT FLAG.
SO WE'RE REALLY SEEING THAT WE WOULD SEE UPPER SCALE ON THE NORTH, UH, EAST CORNER, BUT NORTHWEST WOULD REALLY ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THOSE TYPE OF FAMILIES.
WHETHER THERE'S THE EXTENT STAY STYLE THAT'S STILL HIGHER END, BUT THE COURTYARDS, THE UPPER, YOU KNOW, THE HILTON HAMPTONS THAT ACCOMMODATE THOSE SORT OF AS WELL TO BEEF UP THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN SO WHEN YOU TALK TO THE OU OFFICIALS, HOW CONCERNED ARE THEY ABOUT, AND I, I APPRECIATE YOU SPENDING TIME TALKING WITH THEM.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE VERY HELPFUL.
UM, ABOUT THE PARKING, THE SURFACE PARKING AND THEN JUST THE BUILDING HEIGHTS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
BUILDING HEIGHTS IN OUR INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM HAVEN'T BEEN A CONCERN.
UM, I THINK THEY SEE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR THE HOTEL AND THAT ACTIVITY ONLY ENHANCING EVERYTHING THEY ALREADY HAVE.
AND I THINK IN THE END IT BECOMES A, A, A, A MASSIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO REALLY BUILD OFF OF IT.
UM, THEIR INITIAL MASTER PLAN DID HAVE SOME DENSITY TOWARDS THAT SIDE.
UM, IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT CHANGES.
UM, WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ALSO ABOUT THE LITTLE, WE CALL IT OUR, WED SHAPE.
IT'S A LITTLE TRIANGLE THAT'S LEFT WHEN UNIVERSITY DOES, UM, UH, GET EXTENDED THROUGH THAT WE'RE, UH, THE CLIENT'S IN DISCUSSION FOR PURCHASING THAT AND WE COULD EXTEND THE DEVELOPMENT EVEN FURTHER OVER IF NEEDED OR USE THAT LAND FOR OTHER ASPECTS OR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING A GROCERY STORE, UM, THAT THAT HASN'T COME UP BEFORE US BEFORE.
UM, I SEE, I KNOW COSTCO'S ACROSS THE STREET.
HOW DO YOU, IS THIS LIKE A QUICK PICKUP OR IS IT THAT YOUR FAMILIES THAT ARE LIVING THERE, UH, WOULD BE USING IT AS THEIR MAIN GROCERY? SO I WAS GONNA MENTION TWO THINGS FIRST.
UM, WHEN YOU MENTIONED OU, WHEN WE MET WITH DR. BURKE AND WILL WAS CHRIS WAS THERE AS WELL.
I MEAN THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
THEY ALREADY PREPLANNED TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET THAT LAND AS PART OF OURS.
AND THEN TO TALK ABOUT THE GROCERY, THEY HAVEN'T MENTIONED ONE THING IN OUR MEANS AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT.
THEY ACTUALLY SAW IT AS VERY COMPLIMENTARY PRIDE ALLOWING THEM TO ACTUALLY PROGRESS THEIR PLANS ON THEIR SIDE TO THE EAST.
BUT WE HAVE HAD INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS TO ADDRESS THE, UM, GROCERY DI ACTUALLY BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE ROADWAY TO UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD INSTEAD OF HAVING THE PARKING, THE, THE PARKING LOT THERE.
BRINGING THAT FORWARD AND PLACING THE PARKING LOT BEHIND IT.
JUST FROM SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM SOME GROCERIES.
IF THE PARKING IS A CONCERN, UM, WHETHER OU OR OR NOT THE OPPORTUNITY THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MOVE THE GROCERY OVER, MOVE THE PARKING MORE INTERNAL.
SO, AND THE TYPE THE GROCERY TO ANSWER THAT.
NO, WE'RE NOT SEEING THIS AS UH, SIMPLY SERVICING THE RESIDENTS.
THAT'S WHY WE WANT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING IT THERE.
'CAUSE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK IS YES, IT'S A DAILY DRIVER, SO WE GOTTA BE A LITTLE BIT VISIBLE TO THOSE COMMUTERS THAT ARE GOING DOWN UNIVERSITY DOWN.
UM, 1 61 20 TO 25,000 SQUARE FOOT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD CALL IT A MARKET STYLE GROCERY.
NOT YOUR JUST A MEAT MARKET, BUT MORE STANDARDIZED, HIGHER END ORGANIC OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE IS WHAT WE WOULD SEE THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD USE OR KIND OF SOMETHING MORE MARKET STYLE.
CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT GOING ON WITH THE, UM, TOWNHOUSES AND SO FORTH? SO THERE'S THE APARTMENTS.
DO YOU HAVE, THEY'RE CONNECTED TO THE TOWNHOUSES, IS THAT HOW I'M SEEING THAT? SO IN THE CASE OF THE
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OR IS THERE OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD.UM, SO THE THREE STORIES IS, I ACTUALLY BEHIND IT IS THE PARKING GARAGE AND SO IT ALLOWS US TO NOT, YEAH.
SO IT'S BASICALLY RIGHT UP AGAINST IT AND COVERING THAT UP.
SO APARTMENTS ARE LOOKING OVER THE TOP.
BECAUSE ON THE ONE PICTURE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE SQUISHED TOGETHER.
SO THEN DOES THE TOWNHOUSES HAVE, UH, CONDOS, I GUESS DO THEY TOWNHOUSES THE LARGER ONES? UM, DO THEY HAVE GARAGES? THE TOWNHOUSES DO NOT HAVE GARAGE.
THEY'D BE ACCESSING, THEY, WELL, I TAKE IT BACK.
TECHNICALLY WE COULD PUT INDIVIDUAL GARAGES ON THE INSIDE OF OUR PARKING GARAGE THAT GIVES THEM ACCESS DIRECTLY INTO THEIR UNIT.
YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT FROM THE OUTSIDE? IT WOULD BE ALL INTERNAL.
SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING ALL THE CARS AND, AND DRIVEWAYS AND UM, AND ANY OF THE PARKING GARAGES THERE.
UM, EVERYTHING ELSE IS INTERNAL TO THE PARKING GARAGE ITSELF.
I, THAT'S GONNA COME IN MY MIND IN A BIT AND FIGURE ALL THAT OUT.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE PART THAT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S UNIQUE, WHICH I'M, WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
I THINK AND, AND EACH OF THOSE, AS EACH OF THOSE SITES DEVELOPS COMING FOR FINAL, WE WOULD HAVE ALL OF THE DETAILS FOR THAT.
HILLARY QUESTIONS, I'M JUST GONNA WAIT AND SEE IF ALL OF MINE WERE ANSWERED, BUT THANK YOU GUYS.
UM, A COUPLE KIND OF MORE, UH, FINER POINTS ON THERE.
UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS MENTIONED THE LED MESH TOWER WOULDN'T BE FOR ADVERTISEMENT JUST FOR THE STAFF.
IS THERE A MECHANISM THAT CURRENTLY PROHIBITS THAT? OR IF WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WAS THE CASE, WOULD WE NEED SOME SORT OF ACTION THAT COULD BE DESIGNED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT? YEAH.
UM, AND THEN FOR THE APPLICANT, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE ON THE PHASING, UM, ASIDE FROM THE POTENTIAL SERVICE LOTS IS YOU'VE GOT THE WATER RETENTION ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS ALSO A LOT OF YOUR GREEN SPACE, A LOT OF YOUR OPEN SPACE THAT'S ON THE LAST LEG OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I GUESS DO YOU HAVE COM ARE THERE ANY ISSUES TECHNICALLY FROM WATER RETENTION STANDPOINT AND THEN MORE OF A COMMENT? I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT'S DEFINITELY IN THE PROJECT, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY PHASES ARE COMPLETED.
AND THAT'S ONE WE'RE DISCUSSING OF, OF ARE THERE PATHS, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT MAKE IT FROM DAY ONE VERY ACCESSIBLE? SO WE, WE NEED THE WATER RETENTION IN THERE FOR THE LONG TERM OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
CAN WE PUT IN PATHS, I WOULDN'T SAY TEMPORARY, BUT THE PATHS THAT ALLOW THE PEOPLE INITIALLY LIVING THERE OR USING THE AREA TO ACTUALLY TIE DOWN AND CONNECT TO THE SIGNATURE TRAIL AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN ALONG THE SURFACE PARKING LOTS, UH, IS THAT JUST TO ADD CONVENIENCE? I MEAN, WE WOULD THINK THAT THE PROJECT WILL HAVE ALL THE PARKING IT NEEDS.
SO THE INTERESTING THING WITH IT IS THE, THOSE PAD SITES, IF OFFICES NOT BUILT THE REST OF THAT, SO CALLED PHASE TWO, THE PARKING GARAGE ITSELF WILL PARK THE HOTEL AND THE RESIDENTIAL THERE.
IF THE OFFICE BUILDING ISN'T BUILT, IT COULD BE JUST LEFT AS GRASS.
UM, IF WE DO NEED THE PARKING, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL, UM, OR IT'S TEMPORARY, UH, CONSTRUCTION SITE BEFORE IT GETS BUILT.
BUT AGAIN, IF THEY DECIDE TO BUILD THE BUILDING AT THE SAME, THE OFFICE BUILDING AT THE SAME TIME, THEN WE WILL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE.
AND I, I THINK THAT THE GROCERY STORE, WE FEEL THAT'S IN THE FIRST A FIRST PHASE AND WE THINK THAT JUST TYPICALLY YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT CONDITION TO SERVE THE GROCER.
UM, THIS IS GONNA BE A LOGISTICAL, UM, UH, CHALLENGE MAYBE IS THE RIGHT WORD, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT, UM, TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN STAGE CONSTRUCTION IN CERTAIN PLACES, UM, WHERE WE HAVE THE ROOM TO, TO STAGE MATERIALS AND, AND EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA.
AND THEN ALSO GETTING TO A CRITICAL MASS OF, OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL HELP WITH PUBLIC FINANCE TO BUILD THOSE GARAGES.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE WORKING ON THAT WITH YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF.
BUT, UM, THERE'S A WHOLE, UM, CALCULATION AND AND LOGISTICAL CHALLENGE THERE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
BUT WE, WE SEE THOSE, UM, TEMPORARY SURFACE LOTS AS REALLY SERVING A PURPOSE TO ALLOW FOR SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS TO HAPPEN WHILE WE'RE BUILDING.
UH, AND THEN JUST ONE LAST, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS MORE FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT STAFF, MAYBE HAVE THE INFORMATION.
I KNOW WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RATIO MADE SOME COMPARISONS TO BRIDGE PARK, WHICH CAN BE HELPFUL BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THAT BILL.
UM, BUT YOU MADE COMPARISONS TO THE RATIO OF OFFICE BETWEEN 'EM AND RETAIL, BETWEEN 'EM AND BOTH OF THOSE CASES.
THEY HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE OFFICE AND RETAIL.
DOES IT, WE DIDN'T GET TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT HAS MAYBE MORE RESIDENTIAL THAN BRIDGE PARK PROPORTIONALLY.
IS THAT ALSO THE CASE? UM, MAYBE CHRIS HAS IT.
I DON'T, I HAVEN'T, I, WE WERE LOOKING AT A LOT OF THE OTHER METRICS THAN THE ACTUAL RESIDENTIAL.
I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I'LL, I'LL ADD ON, I'M GONNA BUILD ON SOME OF THIS, UM, AND HOPEFULLY NOT REPEAT
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HAVING THE TALLER BUILDINGS ON THE OUTSIDE.YOU HAD MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS MORE INTERACTIVE OR WE ACTUALLY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF THE SMALLER SETBACKS ON COS GRAY.
I SEE A TALL OFFICE BUILDING WITH A SMALL SETBACK.
AND IT LOOKED LIKE IN YOUR, UM, SITE PLANS THERE WAS NO ON STREETE PARKING AS LESS INTERACTIVE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOUR THINKING IS? SO, COS GRAY, WHAT'S UH, THE WAY THAT, THAT I LOOK AT IT'S, AND THIS IS ALSO ABOUT HOW I, UM, HOW PEOPLE ARE ACCESSING THE SITE.
SO YES, THE, THE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE CLOSER TO THE ROAD.
UM, IN OUR MIND, IN MY MIND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE, THE SENSE OF THE SCALE OF IT BEING TOO CLOSE.
IT'S THE, THE SENSE OF FEELING, THE ACCESS AND THE, AND THE ACTIVITY.
THE FURTHER WE STEP BACK FROM THE ROAD, THE CONCERN IS PEOPLE DON'T SEE ACTIVITY.
RETAILERS DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT TO GO THERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE ACTIVITY AND THE PEOPLE COMING THERE AS A DESTINATION.
THE PARKING THAT WOULD BE OUT THERE, UM, IT SHOULD BE SHOWN IN OUR SITE PLAN AS PARALLEL PARKING ALONG THE ROAD.
SOMETHING WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH, UM, WITH STAFF ON.
AND IT, AND AGAIN, IT'S THAT QUICK DRIVE IN PARK AND GO IN THE SCALE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, THERE'S ONE OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S AT 125, THE CONDO'S AT A HUNDRED.
AND THE SECOND OFFICE BUILDING ON CORA, SPECIFICALLY THE CON THE OFFICE ON THE NORTH IS AROUND A HUNDRED FEET.
SO SIMILAR HEIGHT TO DRIVING ON, UH, 33 ON RIVERSIDE ALONG.
AND THE SETBACKS ARE BASICALLY THE EXACT SAME AS THE SETBACKS THAT ARE ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE, UM, NEXT TO BRIDGE PARK.
SO WE USE THAT AS A, AS A A AN EXAMPLE, BUT ALSO AS A, NOT NECESSARILY A PRECEDENT, BUT AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE SEE THE ACTIVITY THERE.
UH, REALLY BEING ABLE TO BE ENHANCED GIVEN, UM, THAT THE ROAD IS GONNA BE IMPROVED AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CREATING THAT.
SO IT'S NOT, AND ALSO ONE OF THE, THE, THE CONDO BUILDING, IT'S NOT A FULL WALL OF ELEVATIONS IN THE SAME PLANE.
THE CONDO BUILDING STEPPED BACK, THE OTHER OFFICE BUILDING IS SLIGHTLY STEPPED BACK WITH RETAIL PUSHING OUT.
SO TRYING TO CREATE SOME OF THAT BREAKDOWN AND NOT JUST CREATING AN EDGE THAT'S THE SAME ALL THE WAY ALONG COS GRAY.
AND IF I COULD CLARIFY FOR THE COMMISSION ON STREET PARKING WOULD BE OCCURRING WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND WOULD BE A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT.
AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THE CITY ENGINEER TO DECIDE THAT.
UM, THE, YOU ANSWERED THAT ALREADY.
UM, IS IT, THIS IS HOPEFULLY A QUICK QUESTION IS, IS THE OBSERVATION TOWER GOING TO BE A DA ACCESSIBLE? WILL THERE BE AN ELEVATOR GOING UP? YEAH, WE'LL HAVE A A DA FOR THE EVEN ACCESS UP TO THE WALKWAY THAT GOES OVER THE TOP.
WE'LL HAVE ELEVATOR ACCESS FOR ALL THAT.
AND FOR THE SURFACE LOTS, BOTH TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT.
UH, WHAT SORT OF SCREENING DO YOU ENVISION? I DIDN'T SEE VERY MUCH.
WELL IF WE FLIP THE, IF WE TAKE THE GROCERY STORE, MOVE IT OUT TO THE EDGE, THAT PARKING LOT BECOMES VERY
I THINK WE'D HAVE TO STUDY WHAT THAT, UH, ANY OF THE INTERNAL SCREENING WOULD BE FOR THAT VERSUS IT BEING ON THE PERIMETER.
I TYPICALLY DO BERMS OR OTHER THINGS, SCREENING IT FROM UNIVERSITY.
IF WE MOVE IT INTERNAL, UH, THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR WE HAVE TO STUDY A LITTLE MORE.
THE OTHER TEMPORARY ONES, UM, IT, I THINK WE COULD SET SOME BOUNDARIES THAT SETS IT BACK A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM ROADS AND SCREENS IT IN A WAY THAT THOSE TEMPORARY LOTS ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.
AND, AND AGAIN WE JUST PUT KIND OF A SMALL NOTE THAT SAYS POTENTIAL, UM, PARKING IN THOSE AREAS AND, AND WORKING WITH CHRIS AND STAFF, UM, THE DRAFT TEXT THAT'S OUT THERE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY HAVEN'T A WHOLE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF BACK AND FORTH TO STAFF ON IT.
BUT OUR INTENT IS TO BUILD THE TEMPORARY LOTS AS IF THEY'RE PERMANENT.
NOT IN, IN AN EFFORT TO LIKE SAY, WELL WE'RE JUST KIDDING.
THEY'RE GONNA BE PERMANENT, BUT WE WANT, THEY COULD BE THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
AND SO WE WANT THEM TO LOOK AND FUNCTION LIKE THEY, THEY'RE APPROPRIATELY.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING CONSTRUCTION OF SEVERAL STORY AND IN EACH OF YOUR PHASES IT WAS AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR BUILDINGS.
THE USES, HAVE YOU DONE ANY MARKET STUDIES ON USES THAT WILL BE, THAT YOU SEE ENVISION GOING IN THERE? YOU'VE MENTIONED AN, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE MORE OF AN UPSCALE GROCERY STORE, UM, AND LAB SPACE.
WHAT ELSE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? WHEN YOU SAY LAB SPACE? WE'RE MORE SO CREATING, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THE OFFICE SPACE TO ALLOW FIRST FLOOR TO HAVE HIGH HIGHER CEILINGS THAT CAN ALLOW FOR WHETHER IT BE ROBOTIC PIECES THAT NEED TO BE THERE THAT ARE DISPLAYED.
LIKE WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THAT AS BEING FOR THINKING NOT JUST BEING A STANDARD LOWER HEIGHT, LOW ENTRANCE MM-HMM
BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE, WE WANTED TO GET THROUGH THIS.
WE HAVE A GROUP THAT WE'RE GONNA DO A HOTEL FEASIBILITY SITE THAT WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE THE AGREEMENT.
WE KIND OF WANTED TO GET THROUGH THIS, BUT MORE SO THAT'S GONNA STUDY
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ROOMS. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INTEREST FROM HOTEL OPERATORS.OUR CLIENT'S KIND OF LOOKING AT IT SOMEWHERE TO BRIDGE PARK.
THEY OWN THEIR OWN HOTEL AND HIRED A MANAGEMENT COMPANY TO REALLY RUN IT AND HAVE A UPSCALE HOTEL.
SO WE'RE KIND OF VALUING BOTH WAYS.
WE DON'T WANNA ADJUST, ONE THING WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO IS JUST SELL THE LAND TO SOMEBODY WHO'S GONNA BE A, A INDEPENDENT OPERATOR OF A HOTEL.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING THERE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF, A LOT OF HOSPITALITY INTERESTS HERE, UM, OVER, SINCE WE BROUGHT THIS OUT AS FAR AS RETAIL, I MEAN I OFFICE IS MORE, THAT'S WHY WE PLAN IT THIS WAY.
WE WANT TO GET A HEADQUARTERS.
IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT WILL BE THERE 'CAUSE IT'S VERY MUCH A TIMING SITUATION IN OFFICE.
THEIR NEEDS ARE VERY MUCH USUALLY IMMEDIATE AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT TOO EARLY TO GET THOSE OFFICE COMMITMENTS.
BUT GIVEN WHAT WE'VE STUDIED, YES WE SEE IT 98% OCCUPIED AT BRIDGE PARK.
THEY TELL US WHAT WE'VE STUDIED WITH THEIR HIGHEST RENT AND THEY'RE GETTING RENEWALS, EVEN HIGHER RENT.
SO WE'RE SEEING THAT AS OBVIOUSLY A VERY STRONG OFFICE MARKET WITHIN DUBLIN WHEN IT'S PLACED WITHIN A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S WHAT ALL OF OUR OFFICE BROKERAGE TEAM HAS BEEN TELLING US WITHIN CO EARS.
BUT REALLY, I MEAN WE'VE SEEN INTEREST FROM, WE'VE EVEN HAD SERVICE BASED USERS TRYING TO GET INTEREST.
YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE 'CAUSE THEY SEE IN THE NEWS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO GET A STUDY FOR AT LEAST WE TRIED TO GET SOME RETAIL SITES, SOME GROCERY SITES.
WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING TO GET THOSE TYPE OF SITES.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE TRIED TO GET SOME OF THOSE.
THERE AREN'T TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT DO THOSE SPECIFIC.
SO IT'S MORE KIND OF LOOKING AT DEMAND AND OCCUPANCY THAN ANYTHING
SO THAT'S WHY I REFERENCED THOSE.
UM, THE, THE OFF, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD DO, IF WE DID ANY LAB, IT WOULD BE DRY LAB.
IT WOULDN'T BE, YEAH, THAT'S ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.
BUT MOSTLY FOCUSED ON RESEARCH, UM, WHICH CAN BE DONE POTENTIALLY IN A HIGHER FLOOR TO FLOOR THE OFFICE SPACE.
YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE FIRST OFFICE BUILDING IN PHASE TWO.
LET PHASE ONE WITH THE HOTEL CONDO REALLY SOLIDIFY AND, AND KIND OF SET THE STAGE PHASE TWO WITH ANOTHER HOTEL AND MORE RESIDENTIAL.
AND WITH THE, THE HOPE WITH THAT IS THEY SEE THE INTEREST, THEY SEE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT FIRST OFFICE BUILDING.
BUT EACH OF THOSE, UM, OVER TIME, UM, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, THE HOPE IS WITH THE, UH, EACH PHASE COMING ONLINE, THE NEXT PHASES HAVE THAT NEXT OPPORTUNITY FOR OFFICE OR UM, USES THAT KIND OF FIT IN THAT.
AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S SOME GROUND FLOOR PARKING WITHIN TWO OF THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS.
AND THAT IS PURPOSEFUL BECAUSE WE'RE GOING AFTER TRYING TO GET MORE OF A HQ STYLE.
SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING THAT TAKES UP MULTIPLE FLOORS.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE PURPOSEFUL PIECES.
'CAUSE THEY'LL LOOK FOR THAT TO BE A PART OF THEIR BUILDING NOT CONNECTED SEPARATELY.
UM, AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, ONE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE INTEREST IS TO DO ONE BUILDING THAT IS MULTIPLE FLOOR PLATES MORE FOR RENTING TO DIFFERENT COMPANIES VERSUS HQS STYLE.
AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS WITH, UM, PROJECTS THAT ARE PREDOMINANTLY MULTIFAMILY AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO WEDGE A RETAIL COMPONENT IN THERE TO MAKE IT MIXED USE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WILL LEAD TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS PROJECT IS HAVING ACTIVITY THROUGH ALL HOURS OF THE DAY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY HAVING THE RESIDENTS THERE WHO WILL PROBABLY BE THERE IN THE EVENINGS, BUT HAVING HOTEL, UH, GUESTS AND, AND EMPLOYEES, ET CETERA, IT LEAVES OPEN THE POSSIBILITY OF THERE BEING A READY MARKET THERE PRETTY MUCH FROM SUNUP TO SUNDOWN AND PROBABLY UNTIL LATE IN THE EVENING.
AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO RETAILERS.
AND SPEAKING OF RETAIL, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT BRIDGE PARK IS PRE, IT'S RETAIL IS PREDOMINANTLY RESTAURANT.
I ASSUME THAT MEANS YOU'RE LOOKING AT MORE VARIED AND NOT JUST EATING ESTABLISHMENTS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING.
WE'VE TALKED TO SOME RETAILERS, I MEAN, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT FORWARD IN THEIR PLANNING.
WE WOULD NEED TO GET A LITTLE BIT FARTHER, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY IT.
WE DON'T WANT TO SEE JUST FOOD AND BEVERAGE GIVEN WHAT'S GOING AROUND THE AREA.
WE WOULD SEE APPAREL, WE WOULD SEE, I MEAN, WE WOULD LOVE TO GET THE LIKES OF THE APPLE STORE, THE ANTHROPOLOGY, I MEAN, FOR A CITY LIKE COLUMBUS DID NOW ONLY HAVE ONE ANTHROPOLOGY.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT
AND I, AND I'LL BE UPFRONT WITH YOU WHEN WE'VE, BECAUSE UH, MY BUSINESS PARTNER AND I HAVE DONE A LOT OF LEASES AT BRIDGE PARK WITH CRAWFORD HO, THEY'RE NOT VERY INTERESTED IN DOING RETAIL BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT WHAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL THERE.
THEIR FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND SERVICES BEEN WHAT MM-HMM.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA KIND OF, THAT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE OF THEIRS, I THINK ALL ALONG HAS JUST NOT GETTING THE, YOU CAN'T JUST RELY ON DOUBLING RESIDENCE.
YOU NEED TO GET PEOPLE FROM MARYSVILLE TO COME AND GET THAT RETAIL, THE APPAREL TO REALLY SUSTAIN.
THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE'RE UNIQUELY POSITIONED FOR THAT.
ALL RIGHT, I'LL, I'LL ALLOW SOMEBODY ELSE TO GO IN.
I SEE YOUR, I I DO, I HAVE A COUPLE COUPLE OF THINGS.
SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL STICK WITH THE RETAIL AT THE MOMENT AND THEN I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE, UM, TOWER ACTUALLY.
AND I'M PROBABLY GONNA ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, THAT YOU'VE WENT OVER WITH IN PAST MEETINGS.
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OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE SAT THROUGH HERE BEFORE WITH GOING THROUGH THE BRIDGE PARK DEVELOPMENT, JUST LIKE THE PRESENTATION YOU'RE MAKING HERE, HERE THIS EVENING, THEY MADE THE SAME PRESENTATIONS AND EXPECTING TO HAVE RETAIL IN THAT AREA AND ENDED UP BECOMING RESTAURANTS.NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES WE SAT HERE IN THE COMMISSION AND SAID WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE RETAIL, IT JUST WASN'T COMING IN.
WE ALSO HAVE MALLS NEARBY THAT ARE SEVERELY DYING.
SO WHEN YOU OFFER THAT ASPECT OF RETAIL, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT WILL ULTIMATELY COME TO FRUITION.
SO IT'S SOMETHING I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT.
UM, AND I ALSO KNOW LIKE WHAT WAS ENVISIONED BEFORE BETWEEN WHAT CITY STAFF ENVISIONED IN THE, UM, INNOVATION DISTRICT THAT WE WOULD GET TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT IN THERE AND HOPES THAT THERE WOULD BE ALSO A CONNECTION WITH THAT.
I DON'T SEE ANY ASPECT IN WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING THAT, THAT THERE YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER BRINGING WHAT THOSE BUSINESSES WILL BE IN THOSE, IN THOSE BUILDINGS.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S, THAT IS TRUE.
WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER IT.
AND I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT, UM, AGAIN, THE WAY THAT DUBLIN'S BEEN POSITIONING THIS AREA AS THE INNOVATION DISTRICT AND WITH OU UM, I KNOW WHEN OU LOOKED AT THE PLAN, THEY LIKE THE FACT OF THAT INITIAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS RIGHT ACROSS, UH, FROM THEM.
AND THE, IF, IF THE TENANT THAT GOES THERE ALIGNS WITH, UH, OR WANTS TO BE NEAR OU, THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, OUR GOAL WITH THIS IS TO PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE RIGHT TENANTS TO COME IN ON THE RETAIL SIDE.
I CAN SAY ONE THING THAT IS VERY CLEAR, JUST IT, IT CAN'T BE ARGUED WE HAVE A FREEWAY ACCESS.
I MEAN JUST THEY DON'T HAVE A ACCESS TO GET THERE.
YOU HAVE TO COME FROM SAWMILL ROAD AND GO THROUGH TRAFFIC TO THEN COME OVER TO THE BRIDGE PARK.
WE HAVE THE NUMBER ONE COSTCO ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S THREE COSTCOS IN TOWN.
THAT IS, I MEAN AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT CREATES A REGIONAL TRADE AREA IN RETAIL IS HAVING THOSE DAILY DRIVERS OF A GROCERY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OF FREEWAY ACCESS TO BRING PEOPLE WITHIN A DRIVE THAT'S NOT GONNA CAUSE THEM TO HAVE THOSE CHALLENGES.
SO I THINK AS MUCH AS MANY DEVELOPERS MIGHT SAY THAT THIS IS WHO THEY DESIRE, I THINK OUR PROJECT IS UNIQUELY POSITIONED TO DRAW FROM A LARGE, I MEAN, I TO THINK ABOUT IN 25 MINUTE DRIVE, YOU HAVE 1.1 MILLION PEOPLE TODAY AND YOU'RE GROWING AT 0.7% IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL.
SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY, A VERY STRONG PIECE THERE.
SO I'M ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD SAY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DENY I DRIVE THROUGH THERE CONTINUOUSLY.
IN FACT, I WAS COMING FROM A PROJECT I'M WORKING ON AND DROVE UP FROM 40 ROUTE 42 TO 1 61 AND RIGHT INTO DUBLIN AND HOME.
SO I DRIVE THAT STRETCH, UM, EVERY WEEK AND IT IS AMAZING HOW MUCH TRAFFIC YEAH.
IN JUST A FIVE YEAR PERIOD OF TIME HAS TRANSPIRED IN, IN THAT AREA.
SO, AND WE DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHERE YOU'RE RIGHT AT THE BORDER OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO, UM, JUST SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE AND SORRY, I'M STILL GETTING INITIATED TO THIS PROJECT.
SO THE TOWER FEATURE THAT YOU HAVE IN THE CENTER, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT? YEAH, I THINK WHEN, UH, ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS, UH, THAT WE SEE AND, AND REALLY IT'S THE, UH, WHAT ARE THE PLACES THAT YOU GO TO WITHIN THE CITY TO TAKE PHOTOS OR TO GET OUTSIDE AND HAVE ACCESS.
AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT A, AROUND DUBLIN AND THE OPPORTUNITY THAT, UM, THAT WE HAVE, I MEAN ONE, IT'S, IT'S OHIO, IT'S VERY FLAT, BUT WHENEVER YOU GET UP HIGH, IT'S AMAZING WHAT YOU CAN SEE.
SO SUNSETS AND OTHER THINGS AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE SPACE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WE SAID HOW DO WE GET, ALLOW PEOPLE, EVERYONE FROM AROUND TO REALLY EXPERIENCE BEING UP AND SEEING OUT AND SEEING THE OVERALL, UM, SURROUNDINGS.
AND I'M ALWAYS AMAZED THAT WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT KIDS ARE LIKE, THERE'S ACTIVITY, THEY'RE GONNA RUN UP THE STAIRS AND, AND JUST, IT, IT PROVIDES A PLACE THAT REALLY CAN KIND OF CULMINATE, IT BECOMES A SIGNATURE ELEMENT THAT PEOPLE RECOGNIZE FOR THIS LOCATION.
IT ALLOWS FOR PEOPLE TO GO UP THERE AND HAVE EVENTS, TAKE PHOTOS.
UM, IT'S LIKE AN OBSERVATION TOWER AND GOING UH, INTO DOWNTOWN.
SO THAT WAS THE NEXT THING I WAS GOING TO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS PERCEIVING.
AT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IN THIS PLAN THERE IS CLEARLY A DEVELOPMENT FOR MAYBE A RESTAURANT.
SO WHAT EVENTS ARE YOU EXPECTING TO TAKE PLACE AT THE TOP OF THAT TOWER? AT THE TOP IS GONNA BE TOUGH TO DO FULL EVENTS.
YOU COULD HAVE SMALL, UH, WEDDINGS OR OTHERS.
THE, THE OTHER ASPECT IS RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY OR RIGHT NEXT TO IT, WHICH IS PUTTING, INSTEAD OF PUTTING UM, THE BALLROOM AND THE EVENT SPACE DOWN ON THE GROUND, IT'S ALSO UP AT AN ELEVATION THAT'S NOT AT THE SAME HEIGHT BUT TO WHERE YOU CAN CAN HAVE WEDDINGS AND LARGE EVENTS THAT HAVE ROOF TERRACES THAT AGAIN HAVE VIEWS OUT
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NOT JUST LOOKING INTO SIDE OF BUSY ROADS.SO, UM, OUR GOAL AT THE TOP OF THAT IS MORE GONNA BE ABOUT PUBLIC ACCESS.
THE EVENTS IN OUR MIND ARE HAPPENING MORE ON THE GROUND PLANE AROUND THE, UH, THE, THE STATE, LIKE THE AUDITORIUM SEATING THAT WE'VE PROVIDED AND ACCESS.
SO THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE EVENTS I THINK WOULD HAPPEN ON THE GROUND.
A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN TO TOO MANY PEOPLE UP HIGH.
YOU NEED A LOT OF STAIRS AND OTHER THINGS TO GET THEM OUT.
UM, JUST, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE CENTRAL GREEN SPACE AND I THINK IT'S INTERESTING, UM, BUT ALSO I WASN'T PERCEIVING THAT IT WAS QUITE AS PUBLIC AS MAYBE WHAT YOUR PRESENTATION IS.
THERE'S A GOOD BIT OF THAT IN, IN THAT CENTER AREA WHERE I, I SEE IT BEING DEDICATED TO THAT, THAT EVENT SPACE RESTAURANT, THIS TOWER.
THEY SEEM TO ME AND THE PERSPECTIVE LOOKING AT THIS, THAT THOSE ARE ALL FUNCTIONING TOGETHER.
SO I SEE PEOPLE TRANSVERSING THAT AREA.
I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S, OTHER THAN YOU HAVE A GATHERING SPACE THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME SPECIAL EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I WASN'T PERCEIVING THIS AS TRUE PUBLIC SPACE.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S UH, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT MORE, UM, THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF WHEN THAT, THAT RETAIL THEN THE HILL COMES DOWN.
WE HAD SHOWN THE RENDERING OF, OF THE, THE MARKET AREA HAPPENING.
EVERYTHING TO THE SOUTH OF THAT IS MUCH MORE OPEN, MORE GREEN SPACE.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT, AT HAVING SPORTS OHIO AND OTHER LARGER OUTDOOR SPACES.
WE AT ONE POINT EVEN LOOKED AT COULD WE FIT A, A SMALL PLAY FIELD OR SOCCER FIELD OR AN OUTDOOR SPACE THERE.
UM, BUT IN THE END, UH, REALLY LOOKED AT THAT QUIETER SPACE, OUTDOOR SPACE HAPPENING TO THE SOUTH.
THERE IS SOME GREEN SPACE TO THE NORTH, UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
I APPRECIATE YOU UM, BEING PATIENT WITH ME AND MY QUESTIONS THIS EVENING.
UM, AND CHRIS, I WANT TO GET BACK TO UM, YOUR STAFF REPORT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THAT ARE, THAT HAVE BEEN MANY OF OUR STUDIES HAVE MADE CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE SITE.
SO ONE OF THEM IS THE GREEN EDGE ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF POST ROAD AND THAT'S AN AREA THAT UM, IS SUPPOSED TO BE A HUNDRED TO 200 FOOT SETBACK.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN MAKES BOTH OF THOSE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT'S FOR TWO REASONS.
YOUR REPORT IDENTIFIES HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS GOING ON THAT STREET, SO IT'S TO BUFFER FROM THE TRAFFIC, BUT THERE'S ALSO VERY LOOSE BUILDING FABRIC AS YOU MOVE FURTHER DOWN.
COS GRAY IS, ARE THOSE SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT WENT INTO THAT FOR THE GREEN EDGE RECOMMENDATION THAT'S STEMMING YES.
FROM THAT, UM, ALSO THE OU FRAMEWORK PLAN KIND OF CONTEMPLATES THAT AND THAT'S PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS SITE IS TO CONTINUE THAT CAMPUS LIKE ENVIRONMENT.
SO THAT BEING ONE, UM, YOU ALSO SEE A GREEN EDGE LIKE TYPIFIED BY THIS ALONG SAWMILL WHERE WE SHARE A BORDER WITH ANOTHER JURISDICTION TO HELP KIND OF HIGHLIGHT PHYSICALLY A UM, A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AS WELL.
AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, THE TRAFFIC THAT OCCURS ON 1 61, THE UM, YOU POINT OUT THAT IN YOUR REPORT THIS IS, THIS IS NOT ENVISIONED AS AN URBAN DISTRICT, THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT.
AS BEING THAT ONE COMPARED TO THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE ENTIRE DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO BE A WALKABLE URBAN DISTRICT JUST FOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
CAN YOU POINT OUT AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE THIS DISTRICT LIKE? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? I DIDN'T HEAR IT.
CAN YOU POINT OUT AN EXAMPLE TO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT WOULD SORT OF FIT WHAT'S ENVISIONED HERE IF IT'S NOT AN URBAN DISTRICT? UM, I MEAN THE COMMUNITY PLAN DOES RECOMMEND THAT MIXED JUICE.
SO THOSE TWO TO EIGHT, THOSE MORE URBAN WALKABLE AREAS ORGANIZED AROUND GREEN SPACE.
BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE, OR THE COMMUNITY PLAN ALSO MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT TRANSITIONING TO EXISTING DISTRICTS AND AREAS AND WHERE THE BROADER BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT RIGHT, IS INTENDED TO URBANIZE UM, AND CHANGE.
THAT'S NOT THE PLAN FOR THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT.
THIS MIXED USE RECOMMENDATION IS SPECIFIC FOR THE SUBJECT SITE AS WELL AS THE OU FRAMEWORK.
THE AREAS TO THE WEST ARE INTENDED TO BE ID TWO, WHICH IS THIS FLEX INNOVATION, UM, TO THE SOUTH.
ALSO FLEX INNOVATION FURTHER SOUTH IS THE PARK.
UM, BUT TO THE NORTH IS COMMERCIAL SUBURBAN OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S JURISDICTION.
SO IT'S A DIFFERENT CONTEXT FOR THE OR FUTURE CONTEXT AS WELL AS EXISTING CONTEXT.
SO THE GOAL IS TO BLEND MORE WITH THE ADJACENT AREAS? CORRECT.
UM, DO THEY HAVE A PLAN FOR THE AREA? I KNOW SOME OF IT'S WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP, UH, BUT WHEN I LOOK TO THE WEST AND WE SEE ID TWO IDENTIFIED IN THOSE AREAS, IS THERE ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN
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LIKE YOU SEE AT OU WHERE THAT PROPERTY, SO, OR THOSE GROUPS OF PROPERTIES? THE OFFICIAL INDUSTRIAL PARK IS CURRENTLY ALREADY DEVELOPED MOST OF THAT DEVELOPED UNDER THE TOWNSHIP.THERE'S NO CURRENT PLANS, UM, WITH THE CITY FOR ANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES TO REDEVELOP OR CHANGE.
UM, THE ID TWO IS THAT FLEX INNOVATION.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE TAKE MORE OF THAT SHAPE IF CHANGE WOULD OCCUR.
THE UM, WHEN UM, OUR ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN WAS BEING FORMULATED AT THE SAME TIME THERE WAS A TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT DEALT WITH VERY SPECIFIC STREET TYPOLOGIES IN TERMS OF STREET WIDTHS, SIDEWALKS, PLANTINGS.
CAN THOSE BE, UM, INCORPORATED IN THIS PLAN INCORPORATED INTO THE APPLICANT'S PLAN? YES.
UH, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T, I KNOW IT'S EARLY IF YOU HAVEN'T EVALUATED THAT AND, AND THAT AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THEY'RE WORKING ON THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT HELPS CONTEMPLATE AT THAT TIME ALONG WITH THE SITE PLAN.
UM, WITH THAT UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD IS IN THE EARLY STAGES OF PRELIMINARY DESIGN OR ENGINEERING.
SO THE CITY IS WORKING, UM, TO STUDY THAT IN MORE DETAIL.
UM, COS GRAY ROAD WILL ALSO, IF NOT START TO BE STUDIED, WOULD BE STUDIED TOO TO SEE WHAT THAT WIDENING OR MODERNIZATION AS WE'RE CALLING IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
1 61 WAS RECENTLY, UM, IMPROVED ALONG WITH THE INTERCHANGE.
UM, SO WE DON'T FORESEE ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DID CONDUCT A STUDY IN THE CORRIDOR FROM THE INTERCHANGE TO PLAIN CITY BECAUSE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS FOR THAT ROADWAY.
THERE ARE NO RECOMMENDATIONS I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT.
UM, ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU AT THE MOMENT, DO WE ALLOW PARKING LOTS IN FRONT OF BUILDINGS ANY PLACE? SO EACH ZONING IS DIFFERENT OR EACH ZONING DISTRICT THROUGHOUT THE CITY? UM, AND THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, WE, WHERE WE HAD THE ID, UM, DISTRICTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, THIS WOULD BE REZONING.
SO IT WOULD ESTABLISH ITS OWN.
TYPICALLY PARKING IS NOT ALLOWED FORWARD OF THE BUILDING.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EXCEPTIONS TO THIS, BUT THERE ARE NORMALLY SET BEHIND LANDSCAPING OR ADDITIONAL SCREENING.
SO NOT TO BE VIEWED FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AERS, FIRST OF ALL, FIRST RATE PRESENTATION AND SUBMIT.
UM, THE DOCUMENTS YOUR TEAM PUT TOGETHER I THINK ARE REALLY SECOND TO NONE.
UM, ONE QUESTION I HAD WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR PLAN AND COMPARE IT TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED BEFORE IS YOUR PLAN IS MUCH MORE SYMMETRICAL NOW.
UM, AND YET THE CONDITIONS OF UM, THE TWO STREETS ARE VERY DIFFERENT.
AND EVEN IF WE LOOK AT WHAT'S PLANNED IN THE ADJACENT AREAS, YOU KNOW, IF OU DEVELOPS THEIR PLAN, THREE, FOUR STORY BUILDINGS, ID TWO, MAYBE TWO STORY BUILDINGS.
SO CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL ME WHY YOU WENT FROM A MORE ASYMMETRICAL CONDITION THAT CHANGED ACROSS THE SITE AS YOU GO, UM, EAST WEST TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOW? YEAH, SO IT WAS, UM, SOME OF IT'S INTENTIONAL FROM BOTH JUST A DEVELOPMENT, UH, OPPORTUNITY.
UM, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT.
IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE, WHEN YOU TAKE A STEP BACK AFTER WORKING ON IT FOR A WHILE, IT, I IT MAY MAIN, UH, THAT EDGE ALONG A UNIVERSITY MAY NEED TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE THE SAME SHAPE BUILDINGS.
UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IF THAT'S UM, IF IT FEELS TOO SYMMETRICAL.
BUT WE WERE TRYING TO, TO WORK WITH, UM, SIMILAR SIZE BLOCKS THAT WE COULD WORK ON THE DEVELOPMENTS ON.
WE'LL WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
WHEN YOU'RE, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DONATE SOME PROPERTY ON YOUR SIDE, SO HOW MUCH, ABOUT WHAT WIDTH ARE YOU GOING TO DONATE BEYOND THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY? I THINK IT'S 10 EXTRA FEET SO THAT THAT 10 FEET DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TAKEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO IS IS IT 10 PLUS 10 YOU'D, YEAH.
SO IT'D BE 20 FEET ESSENTIALLY.
AND THEN, AND THEN DID YOU MEASURE YOUR SETBACKS FROM THAT POINT, THE 20 FEET OF THE NEW RIGHT OF WAY LINE? YES.
SO IT'S COMPLICATED 'CAUSE WE'RE KIND OF GOING OFF OF AN EXISTING ROAD.
AND THEN THE SETBACKS, THE WAY I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT IS BASICALLY INSTEAD OF SPLITTING YEAH, GOING 10 FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE TOOK THAT EXTRA 10 AND THEN WE HAVE OUR 20 FOOT SETBACK.
SO YES, SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE'VE SAID 50 IN THESE REPORTS ACT, THE ACTUAL DISTANCE THAT MAYBE TO THE CURRENT ROAD RIGHT AWAY IS MAYBE 70.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF, IF THERE'S CONCERN OF IT BEING TOO TIGHT, THEN WE JUST SAY, OKAY, MOVE THE ROAD BACK AND WE ARE BACK TO A NORMAL 20 FOOT SETBACK ON, ON COS GRAY AND IT WOULDN'T IMPACT THE BUILDING LOCATIONS.
SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE GETTING, I KNOW OUR FORMER CHAIR WOULDN'T LIKE ME TO ASK THESE, BUT YOU'VE SORT OF ADDRESSED THEM IN YOUR REPORT AND SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT I'M
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KIND OF CURIOUS HOW YOU, UM, ARE GONNA REGULATE.'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED BEDROOM, BEDROOM AMOUNT, AMOUNT OF BEDROOMS IN YOUR LIVING UNITS.
AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING THAT MAYBE TO CALCULATE PARKING.
BUT ONE AND TWO BED STUDIO ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS DON'T ACCOMMODATE FAMILIES.
SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU, WE THE MIX SHOULD GO UP TO THREE AND UH, AND LARGER TYPE UNITS.
INITIALLY WE WERE JUST GOING UP TO TWO BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS OVERALL, EACH, EACH SITE NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED FURTHER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THIS IN YOUR TEXT BECAUSE YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT DESIGNING EVERY BUILDING THAT'S GONNA BE ON THIS SITE.
BUT HOW, HOW DO YOU INCORPORATE OTHER ISSUES OF SUSTAINABILITY BEYOND JUST WALKABILITY? I THINK THE, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS WE COULD DO AND, AND WHETHER IT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT OR IN OUR OVERALL, UM, MASTER PLAN, UH, VISION IS TO SET UP THE GUIDELINES.
SO WHETHER WE, UH, IF WE DEVELOP THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN AS A, AS A LEAD, UH, NEW NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, LIKE A LEAD GOLD, THAT STANDARD WOULD BE APPLIED TO THE, THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
AND EACH OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAPPEN SEQUENTIALLY WOULD HOPEFULLY BE FOLLOWING OR WOULD BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THAT SAME, UH, LEVEL OF QUALITY.
SO WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN SET SOME OF THAT IN THE MASTER PLAN SO THAT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE TO START TO FOLLOW SOME OF THAT.
YOU HAVE, UM, AN AN AMBITIOUS APPROACH TOWARDS THE APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDINGS, WHICH PERSONALLY I I APPLAUD AND, AND YOU'VE LISTED BUILDING MATERIALS.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING PRETTY SPECIFIC HERE.
THINGS YOU WOULD ALLOW AND THINGS YOU WOULD BE LESS LIKELY TO ALLOW AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING COULD HAVE AN EXTREMELY DIFFERENT CHARACTER THAN BRIDGE PARK.
HOW, WHEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS AND HOW ARE YOU GONNA CONTROL THAT? IT, IT'S EXACTLY WHY WE'RE DOING IT ON OTHER PUDS AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT TECHS.
WE HAVE OUTLINED THINGS AND EVEN PUT IN THE INFORMATION THAT REALLY DOES DEFINE WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE SET THE EXPECTATIONS FOR EACH OF THE DEVELOPERS IN EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS IF THEY WERE TO BE DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE BECOME VERY SPECIFIC.
WE DEALT WITH IT ON SCIOTO PENINSULA.
THEY SET UP ALL THEIR DEVELOPMENT TEXTS AND THE QUALITY OF MATERIALITY NEEDED TO BE DEFINED BASED ON THE MASTER PLAN.
SO EACH BUILDING THEN HAD TO GO BACK THROUGH A REVIEW AND APPROVAL IF THEY WERE TO, TO, TO OKAY MOVE AWAY FROM THAT.
AND, AND I WOULD ADD THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY ROBUST, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION SYSTEM THAT WILL HAVE A DESIGN, PRIVATE DESIGN REVIEW ELEMENT THAT WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE CLIENT IS SETTING IT UP IN A WAY THAT UM, IT CAN'T EVEN GET TO YOU GUYS UNTIL TO THIS BOARD AND AND COMMISSION UNTIL SUCH TIME AS IT, IT HAS BEEN VETTED AND APPROVED AT LEAST CONCEPTUALLY VIA A DESIGN REVIEW BOARD OR SOMETHING THAT'S PRIVATIZED.
UM, ONE EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE YOU IS I DO A LOT OF WORK IN NEW ALBANY AND ALL OF NEW ALBANY, UM, HAS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOR COMMERCIAL OR NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, GOES THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND PROJECTS DON'T EVEN SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY IN THE PUBLIC TILL THEY HAVE HAVE BEEN VETTED THROUGH THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT SYSTEM IN PLACE HERE AS WELL.
UM, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS, JAMIE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE SOME MORE.
UH, SO CHRIS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW THE ANSWER TO, WELL I KNOW WE DUNNO THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I'M GONNA ASK ANYWAY,
SO WE, I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME AND THERE'S A CONCERN WITH THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE, IS IT, IT'S DOUBLE AND GREEN I THINK IS THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE WAY.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER THERE THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THEM TO WALK OVER TO THIS SITE.
HOW ARE WE HANDLING THAT ON 1 61? I I KNOW YOU DON'T,
UM, 1 61 IS AN ODOT THOROUGHFARE DISCUSSIONS, UM, WITH THE STAFF TEAM AND THE APPLICANT HAVE DISCUSSED WAY FINDING AND PATHWAYS THAT ARE MORE INTUITIVE THAT LEAD YOU TO THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUTS AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.
A MID-BLOCK CROSSING AT 1 61 WOULD BE UNLIKELY AND MAY POTENTIALLY UNSAFE.
I THINK MAYBE THE COMMISSION, UM, BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF A TUNNEL OR BRIDGE WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THAT COULD BE CHALLENGING TOO 'CAUSE THE APPLICANT OR NOR THE CITY CONTROLS THAT PROPERTY.
BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UM, THE SAFETY OF FOLKS BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE A PLACE ATTRACTING A LOT OF FOLKS AS WELL AS, UM, COSTCO AND DUBLIN GREEN IS, THERE'S A VERY BUSY CENTERS.
YEAH, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GONNA BE A CONDITION 'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO, WHETHER WE SAY DON'T OR DO, I MEAN PEOPLE CROSSING AT THOSE ROUNDABOUTS IS GOING TO NOT NOT BE GREAT.
SO, AND THEN SO A QUESTION, UM, THIS IS GONNA SOUND LIKE A COMMENT, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION.
THE, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE FOR A MOMENT.
SO ONE OF THE, UH, LEARNINGS WE CAN TAKE FROM BRIDGE PARK IS THAT WE'VE CREATED THIS GREAT SPACE, WE CALL IT WALKABLE IN MY OPINION.
BRIDGE PARK REALLY ISN'T THAT WALKABLE BECAUSE WE'VE TAKEN AND PUT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC RIGHT THROUGH THE CORE OF BRIDGE PARK AND YOU'VE KIND OF DONE THE SAME THING HERE.
YOU'VE GOT THIS WONDERFUL GREEN SPACE.
AND I I'M GONNA ASK ABOUT YOUR LIVING STREET, WHAT YOU KIND OF MEAN BY THAT.
YOU SHOWED AN EXAMPLE OF CLOSING THE STREET AND PUTTING UP A, A FARMER'S MARKET OR WHATNOT.
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YOU BE ABLE TO DRAMATICALLY REDUCE THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THROUGH SOME OF THOSE CORE AREAS AND MAKE THIS TRULY A WALKABLE SITE? BECAUSE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, IT'S FAKE WALKABLE IN MY OPINION, WHERE YOU SAY IT'S WALKABLE, BUT YOU'RE STILL WORRYING ABOUT TRAFFIC.'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT AUTOMOTIVE TRAFFIC RIGHT THROUGH THE HEART OF THIS REALLY UNIQUE SPACE AND MAKING IT UNIQUELY DUBLIN AND MAKING IT A UNIQUE SPACE.
WE MAKE IT A REALLY WALKABLE SITE GETTING ALL THAT TRAFFIC.
SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT, IT'S A, IT'S A LONG QUESTION, BUT COULD YOU CONSIDER REMOVING SOME OF THAT, THAT CENTER, UM, DRIVE THAT'S MAYBE NOT NECESSARY? NO, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THOSE TWO ROADS ON THE OUTSIDE BECOME OUR ACCESS IN THE PARKING GARAGE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BRING CARS IN OFF A UNIVERSITY OR OFF A COS GRAY IN, GET 'EM TO TURN RIGHT AWAY AND COME DOWN THOSE SIDE STREETS AND INTO THE PARKING GARAGES VERSUS COMING TO THE CENTRAL GREEN AND DRIVING DOWN IT SO THAT, UM, THAT INTENTION, I THINK MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA TAKE THE LONG WAY AROUND TO GET TO THEIR GARAGE.
THEY'RE GONNA COME IN, DUMP DOWN THE SIDE ROADS.
SO THEY'RE VERY INTENTIONAL OF WHY WE ADDED THOSE IN.
UH, SO IT KEEPS THAT, THAT ACCESS AND THOSE TRASH TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING OFF TO THE SIDE, THE LIVING STREET BECOMES, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY ALSO FROM, UM, SOME OF THE WATER RETENTION PERMEABLE PAVEMENT, MORE GREENERY, UH, DOING, UM, COBBLES ACROSS THE, THE, SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING ON COBBLES, RIGHT, EVERYBODY DRIVES SLOWER.
IT'S JUST A, IT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD TO DRIVE FAST ON.
SO WHAT ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN SLOW DOWN THAT TRAFFIC, WHICH THEN FROM A PEDESTRIAN SIDE FEELS BETTER? UM, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO REMOVE A STREET, I MEAN, THAT MAY BE, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WHERE THAT AGAIN, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT CLOSING IT OFF FOR THE, THE MARKET MAY AND I DON'T KNOW YET, IT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT.
BUT MAYBE THAT COULD BE A ZONE THAT JUST SAYS, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW TRAFFIC.
UM, IT'S GONNA CIRCULATE AROUND IT, UM, AND ALLOW FOR A LARGER OPEN SPACE.
SO SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER BECAUSE YOUR LIVING STREET'S A GREAT IDEA IF IT'S TRUE THAT LIVING STREET WHERE IT'S FOR DELIVERIES ONLY OR FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY, BUT ALL OTHER, ALL OTHER TIMES IT'S CLOSED DOWN.
AND I WOULD ALSO ASK THE QUESTION, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A CURB CUT THERE OFF OF 1 61? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REQUIRED OR SOMETHING.
'CAUSE YOU'RE DRIVING MORE TRAFFIC DOWN THE, THE HEART OF YOUR, THE HEART OF YOUR WALKABLE COMMUNITY.
WE, WE PUT IN A SLOWDOWN LANE, TRIED TO BRING IT IN.
UM, MORE FROM AN ACCESS OF WHEN PEOPLE SEE THE HOTEL THAT THEY GET THERE, UH, THAT'S THE SECOND HOTEL ON CC BLOCK.
IF THEY COME AROUND UNIVERSITY, THEY'RE COMING IN AND AROUND.
SO, UH, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING, UH, AS WE ALSO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WOULD CONTEMPLATE WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT NOW.
UM, AND THEN DISCUSS INTERNALLY, UM, SPREADING TRIPS AROUND OUR ACCESS POINTS.
SO CHANGING ACCESS WOULD IMPACT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
UM, BUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WOULD ALSO HELP INFORM, UM, HOW ENTRANCES AND ACCESS POINTS ARE BEING USED.
ODOT IS, OR 1 61 IS AN ODOT UM, PROPERTY.
SO, AND THEN I ASSUME THERE'S CERTAIN REQUIRED DISTANCES FROM THE ROUNDABOUTS WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE A CURB, LIKE SO, SO TAKING THAT CURB CUT AND FOR INSTANCE, MOVING IT TO THE WEST, TO THAT STREET AT THE WEST OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
WE'RE GETTING TOO CLOSE TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND THERE'S PROBABLY RESTRICTIONS THERE.
BUT ON 1 61 IT MAY BE MORE LIKE ONE 20.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT.
UH, ARE YOU THINKING, TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY INTO THAT OTHER, THE ROAD? I'M JUST THINKING OF AGAIN, I, I, I SEE THIS, YOU KNOW, REALLY, REALLY NEAT, UNIQUE GREEN SPACE.
THIS CORE, YOUR CORE, THE HEART OF THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT AND NOW WE'RE JUST TAKING VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND THROWING IT RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
AND THAT'S ME IS REALLY DISAPPOINTING.
SO GETTING RID OF THAT CURB CUT THERE.
COULD WE MOVE THE CURB CUT SOMEWHERE ELSE IS ALL I'M JUST, AGAIN, IT'S A COMMENT QUESTION.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT IN COMMENTS, BUT THAT'S GOOD.
ANY OTHER, I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION FOR YOU.
AND, UM, IN YOUR PREVIOUS SUBMISSION, YOU HAD A GREEN SPACE IN FRONT OF THE GROCERY STORE.
AND IT HELPED CREATE A GREEN CORRIDOR, NOT JUST A STREET, BUT A GREEN CORRIDOR GOING, UM, EAST TO WEST ACROSS THE SITE.
UM, WHY DID YOU ABANDON THAT? IT CAME DOWN TO REALLY THE PARKING FOR THE GROCERY STORE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE, THE, AND PARKING FOR GROCERY STORES IN PARKING GARAGES GETS VERY DIFFICULT.
UM, SO IT IS THAT VISIBILITY EASY IN AND, AND ACCESS.
I THINK WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING BY FLIPPING IT, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, AND MAYBE IT'S, UH, I MEAN WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW, HOW THAT GROCERY SITS, BUT CREATING THAT, THAT OPEN SPACE, WE DO HAVE A SECONDARY KIND OF PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY THAT IS, UM, SOUTH OF THE GROCERY STORE.
UM, MAYBE THAT'S A STRONGER GREEN CONNECTION THAT ACTUALLY CARRIES ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
UM, THAT IT, THAT THEN IS THE PEDESTRIAN WAY THAT MAYBE OU IS REALLY CONNECTED THROUGH, NOT ON THE ROAD, UH,
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THE NORTH ROAD THAT CUTS THROUGH, BUT MAYBE IT'S JUST A LITTLE SOUTH THAT CUTS THROUGH TO THE SOUTH.SO SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT.
ANYTHING ELSE? IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE PUBLIC HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS PROJECT? HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE WERE PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED PRIOR TO TONIGHT THAT, UM, HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION.
OF COURSE, THIS CASE WAS INTENDED TO BE HEARD A WEEK AGO, SO THERE WERE TWO, THEN WE HAD TWO ADDITIONAL ONES FOR THIS MEETING AND THOSE WERE ALSO PROVIDED.
UM, WELL IT'S TIME TO BEGIN OUR DELIBERATIONS.
UM, DO WE WANNA MOVE RIGHT INTO IT OR DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK AT THIS POINT BEFORE WE DO THIS? IT, I'M, I'M JUST ASKING BOARD MEMBERS HOW YOU FEEL.
UM, SO WE SEE THE FIRST, FIRST QUESTION.
MAYBE WE TALK ABOUT BOTH AS BOTH OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, SO HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE SET, THE SETBACKS? UM, THE BUILDING HEIGHTS? I, I'LL, SINCE I IMPLIED IT WITH MY QUESTIONS,
AND YES, I KNOW THE, THE REST OF IT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
DUBLIN SEES THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST CHANGING AND THE CAMPUS CHANGING, BUT IT'S STILL, EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR RENDERINGS HERE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, IT'S THIS LITTLE FORTRESS AND I FEEL IT WON'T BE INTERACTIVE WITH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.
IT WILL BE SEEN AS A FORTRESS WITH THOSE TALL BUILDINGS ON THE PERIMETER.
UM, AND THE, THE SETBACKS, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE PLAN AND IT CALLS FOR SIGNIFICANT SETBACKS ON ALONG POST ROAD, EXCUSE ME.
UH, YEAH, ALONG POST ROAD AND OF COURSE ALONG COS GRAY AS WELL.
AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE PLAN BEING SO NEW WITH DEVIATING FROM THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO, ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, GO AHEAD.
SO, UM, SO I, I'M GONNA START WITH MY HONEST GUT REACTION.
SEEING THIS THE FIRST NIGHT, I THINK IT IS A WHOLE LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ON 43 ACRES IN AN AREA THAT WASN'T ENVISIONED TO HAVE THAT MUCH DEVELOPMENT IN OUR IT DISTRICT.
SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED AT THE IMPACTS OF THE SETBACKS.
I CAN DRAW SOME COMPARISONS THAT YOU LOOK AT THE BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR AND WE DO HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING RIGHT UP TO STREET FRONTAGE, BUT THERE ALSO IS A HUGE STEP BACK WHEN YOU TAKE THE, THE RIVER AND THE GREEN SPACE THAT'S THERE, THAT HAS IT, IT AFFECTS THE WAY YOU VIEW THAT PROJECT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT SAME LUXURY HERE.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M SITTING TODAY.
IN TERMS OF, UM, THE SETBACKS, I'M EQUALLY CONCERNED AT THE HEIGHT OF THE BILLINGS 'CAUSE THESE ARE GONNA GO BEYOND ANYTHING ELSE WE'VE HAD IN DUBLIN.
I PERCEIVE THIS TO BE THE HIGHEST DENSE DEVELOPED AREA THAT WE WILL HAVE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY AT THE MOMENT WITH, WITH WHAT'S GETTING PRESENTED HERE TODAY.
YEAH, I, I, UH, I AGREE, I I I, I A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE, THE, THE HEIGHTS IF WE COULD, I MEAN, I, I MAYBE CONCE CONCEDE A, A STORY OR TWO, BUT I THINK, I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE, LITTLE TOO MUCH FOR THIS, THIS SITE.
AND PRIMARILY A COMMENT, I, I'M ACTUALLY OKAY WITH THE SETBACKS IF IT MEANS WE CAN HAVE BETTER, MORE WALKABLE GREEN SPACE THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UM, AND I THINK IF THE REDUCE THE BUILDING HEAD A LITTLE BIT, I DON'T THINK THE SETBACK ISSUE WILL BE AS, UH, IT, IT WON'T BE AS, UM, I GUESS SHOCKING WHEN YOU APPROACH THE SITE.
BUT AGAIN, IF WE CAN, I, I WOULD SACRIFICE THOSE SETBACKS IF WE CAN GET BETTER WALKABLE AND GREEN SPACE IN THE SITE.
THERE'S, UH, TOO MUCH DENSITY.
UH, THE SETBACKS ARE THERE FOR A PURPOSE.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON THAT.
I THINK OF, UM, ALSO EVERY TIME WE'RE MENTIONING, UM, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE PARK AND BRIDGE STREET, UM, IT'S FINE TO TALK ABOUT IT AS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE, BUT NOT THE INTEGRITY OF IT OR HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK.
JUST SO WE KEEP THAT IN THE FOREFRONT THERE.
IT SHOULD BE HANDLED ON ITS OWN.
I THINK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE I KNOW THAT WORK AT HONDA, THEY PUT PEOPLE IN THE CAR, BRING THEIR CLIENTS ALL THE WAY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE PARK AND HAVE A LUNCH THERE.
UH, SO THAT IS HAPPENING AND THEY SEE IT AS AN ADVENTURE THERE.
MONTEREY'S COMING, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME RETAIL THERE.
JUST KEEPING NOTE OF, OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AS WELL TOO.
UM, I, I GUESS THE OTHER THING TOO, THE MECHANICALS, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT,
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I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN PLACE AS WELL TOO ABOUT THE HEIGHT.AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO HIGH, THEN TELL ME WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THE ROOFS.
YOU, YOU HAVE SOME NICE PICTURES OF THINGS AND THOSE AMENITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, UH, COULD BE, UH, HELPFUL AS WELL TOO ON THAT NOTE ABOUT ROOFS IS THAT IF I'M LOOKING AND SEEING A ROOF, IT SHOULD LOOK SPECIAL.
IT SHOULD LOOK THAT IT'S STILL PART OF MY SIGHT LINE.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ALL THOUGHT ABOUT.
I'LL REPEAT A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU'VE HEARD.
I THINK I PROBABLY MOST CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH JAMIE ON THE SETBACKS AND HEIGHT.
UM, THE HEIGHT IS A BEAR CONSIDERATION FOR ME.
UM, AGAIN, KIND OF BLEW BY THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE A LOT CLOSER TO, UH, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY CALLED FOR THERE.
UM, BUT WITH THAT I WOULD HAVE LESS CONCERN ABOUT SETBACKS.
AND I, I'VE SHARED THE COMMENTS IN MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, THE, UM, SINCE YOU'RE GIVING UP SOME SPACE ALONG, UM, 1 61, I'M A LITTLE LESS CONCERNED WITH THAT.
BUT ON THE SIDE STREETS WHERE WE HAVE EIGHT STORY BUILDINGS UP TIGHT TO THE, TO THE STREET, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT HOW TIGHT THOSE ARE TO THE BUILDING.
AND I KNOW OTHER PLACES IN SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS YOU'VE ACTUALLY STEPPED THE MASS IN AS WE GO UP.
AND I THINK THE PERCEIVED MASS, 'CAUSE REALLY WHAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH THERE AND NOT, NOT WHEN WE LOOK DOWN THREE DIMENSIONALLY.
SO I THINK THE PERCEIVED MASS WOULD HELP ON THOSE STREETS AND MAYBE THE FLOOR PLATES DON'T ALLOW IT.
THE DEPTH OF YOUR FLOOR PLATES, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT, BUT IF YOU COULD STEP THOSE IN, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT 11 STORIES AND KATHY'S POINT ABOUT WHEN YOU PUT THEN YOUR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT UP THERE, YOU'VE PROBABLY GOT ANOTHER STORY.
SO THAT EIGHT COMPARED TO 11 SEEMS QUITE A JUMP.
SO I I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THINGS SCALE DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
UM, DOES THAT PROVIDE YOU ENOUGH, CHRIS, ON THAT, ON THAT QUESTION? I MIGHT ALSO ASK IF THE APPLICANT THOUGHT THAT WAS CLEAR.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT THIS TOPIC THAT YOU MIGHT WANT MORE INPUT OR MORE SPECIFICITY.
SO OFFICE BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW ARE NINE FLOORS, SO GOING TO EIGHT IS THAT S SIGN.
I MEAN, IT GOES TO WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE SHOOTING FOR IS EIGHT.
SO TAKING ONE FLOOR OFF, UM, NO IMPACT ON THE, LIKE IF WE HAVE HIGHER FLOOR TO FLOORS, THE BUILDING MAY END UP BEING SIMILAR.
HEIGHT CAN OFFER A LITTLE CLARITY ON, AT LEAST MY OPINION ON IT IS, UM, I LIKE THE VARIATION IN HEIGHTS.
UM, I MEAN YOU COULD REALLY JUST GO ACROSS THE PROJECT AND TAKE ONE OR TWO FLOORS OFF AND IT WOULD BE MORE REASONABLE, UH, FROM A MASSING PERSPECTIVE, IN MY OPINION.
I THINK YOU DO WANT TO KEEP THAT MARQUEE HOTEL A LITTLE BIT TALLER.
SO, UM, I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION ON THAT.
IT, IT'S, I BELIEVE, UM, AND I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MECHANICALS ON IT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE, AS THE AC AT BRIDGE PARK.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY OUR MODEL HERE.
BUT WHEN I, JUST GIVEN THE SENSE OF, OF AS YOU DRIVE INTO BRIDGE PARK, THE SIZE AND SCALE STARTS TO BE SIMILAR.
SO, UM, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE OFFICE BUILDINGS.
SO THERE ARE THREE BUILDINGS THAT WERE TALLER.
UM, OTHERS ARE AT, UH, SEVEN OR ARE ARE EIGHT OR LOWER BEYOND THAT.
SO DAN'S RIGHT THOUGH, IF YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE YOUR TALLEST BUILDINGS, DON'T NOW MAKE THEM ALL THE SAME HEIGHT.
'CAUSE ONE FLOOR OFF OF AN OFFICE IS TAKING UH, YEAH, UH, 14 FEET OFF OF IT.
SO THE REST OF 'EM WERE, THEY WERE 1 25, THEY'D GO DOWN TO ONE, UM, ONE 11.
THE OTHER ONES ARE AT A HUNDRED AND THEN THEY DROP DOWN INTO THE SEVENTIES.
UH, IT'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT TO TAKE OUT, UM, IF YOU TOOK ALL OF THE BUILDING HEIGHTS DOWN, BUT, UM, I JUST, SO I JUST NEED CLARITY ON IS IT THE, THE TALLEST BUILDINGS NEEDING TO COME DOWN OR IS THIS AN ASK TO TAKE A FLOOR OFF OF EVERY BUILDING? WHICH IS A LOT I THINK, AND, AND COMMISSIONERS CAN CORRECT ME, BUT I THINK THERE'S GENERAL, UM, AGREEMENT THAT WE LIKE THE STEPPING, WE LIKE THE VARIATION IN THE BUILDING HEIGHTS.
SO YOU'RE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT IF YOU REDUCE ONE, YOU MAY NEED TO REDUCE THE OTHER SOMEWHAT TOO.
WE, WE MAYBE ON, ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT BUILDING, JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE STILL HAVE THE VARIATION AS OUR GOAL.
IS THAT, I THINK FOR A NUMBER OF US, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I THINK WE WOULD AGREE.
WE DON'T WANNA MAKE IT ALL THE SAME.
CHRIS DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT IS THERE, I'M NOT
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GONNA SAY A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF FLOORS.UM, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED SUPPORTING THE, A TALLER BUILDING AT THE HOTEL LOCATION AT THE NORTHEAST SIDE.
AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDS TWO TO EIGHT.
WE LOOKED AT THE COMMISSION TO HELP VERIFY WHERE MAYBE DEVIATIONS FROM THAT MIGHT BE SUPPORTED.
I WAS THE ONE WHO HAD MENTIONED THAT I WOULD SAY THAT IS WHERE I COULD SEE DEVIATION, MAYBE NOT TO 11 STORIES, BUT THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SEE DEVIATION ABOVE THE EIGHT.
UM, EVERYTHING ELSE I WOULD EXPECT AT LEAST BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT GUIDELINE.
IF WE GOT ALL THE OTHERS TO EIGHT, IF THAT ONE CAN STAY AT 11, UM, YEAH, I THINK, GO AHEAD.
IS THAT KATHY, IS THAT COUNTING MECHANICALS AS WELL TOO? OR WILL YOU BE HELPING US THROUGH THAT? THE HOTEL WON'T HAVE MECHANICALS ON TOP.
UH, THE OFFICE WILL, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH.
AND THE, THE 11 IS TECHNICALLY GONNA BE SIMILAR HEIGHT TO THE OFFICE JUST BECAUSE HOTEL FLOOR TO FLOORS ARE SHORTER.
SO YES, THERE'S MORE FLOORS, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY GONNA BE 11 OFFICE FLOORS, SO IT'S NOT SUBSTANTIALLY TALLER THAN THE OTHERS AROUND IT.
SO I THINK THAT THAT FITS WITHIN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
TO, JUST TO GIVE YOU A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WHEN THE, UM, THE TOWER ACROSS FROM THE AC HOTEL HAS COME THROUGH THIS BOARD AND OUR LAST RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE AC HOTEL IS ABSOLUTELY THE TALLEST STRUCTURE.
AND THAT, THAT THAT BUILDING WAS NOT TO GO ANY TALLER THAN ANY TALLER THAN THAT.
SO IN FAIRNESS, IT'S, THIS IS A DIFFERENT SETTING.
FABRIC'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT AT LEAST YOU KNOW OKAY.
WHAT WHAT WE'VE SAID IN THE PAST.
ALSO, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD SIDE.
IF YOU TAKE THE NINE FOOT BUILDING DOWN, NO, LEAVE THAT OTHER MAP
IF YOU TAKE THE NINE STORY BUILDING DOWN TO EIGHT, YOU NOW HAVE AND THE, THE TWO NINE STORY BUILDINGS DOWN TO EIGHT, YOU NOW HAVE THREE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THE SAME HEIGHT.
UH, BUT THE EIGHT ON EITHER SIDE, THE, WELL THE NINE ON THE FAR RIGHT WOULD GO DOWN TO EIGHT, THE NINE THERE.
BUT AGAIN, THOSE FLOOR TO FLOORS ARE A LOT HIGHER IN THE OFFICE.
SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THE SAME HEIGHT.
SO THE CONDO BUILDING'S 11 FOOT FLOOR TO FLOOR, THE OFFICE ARE 14.
SO YOU'RE GONNA GET STILL, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THE SAME NUMBER OF FLOORS, THEY'RE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING FOR THE CITY TO DECIDE ON.
IS IT HEIGHT OR IS IT FLOORS? YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK US WORKING WITH HEIGHT IS A LOT MORE TYPICAL BECAUSE IT TIES TO CODE NUMBER OF FLOORS.
I COULD PACK IN A TON OF FLOORS IF I, IF, IF I KNEW WHAT MY HEIGHT WAS, BUT NUMBER OF FLOORS, UH, YEAH.
I COULD JUST MAKE THE OFFICE FLOORS TALLER IF I DID ONE.
YEAH, THAT YOUR EXPLANATION IS GOOD.
IS IT'S, TO ME IT WOULD BE THE HEIGHT MASSING.
ALRIGHT CHRIS, UH, BACK TO THE SETBACK.
WE ARE GETTING INTO THE HEIGHT AND THAT'S PART OF THE QUESTION AND, AND IS THE NEXT QUESTION AS WELL FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, THAT BELIEVED THE SETBACK WAS NOT ENOUGH, COULD YOU PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THOUGHTS ON WHAT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE OR SPECIFIC TO COS GRAY OR UNIVERSITY POST ROAD? OKAY, SO WE HAVE, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT COS GRAY WE HAVE 20 AND 40 FOOT SETBACKS AND THE CODE IS SAYING WHAT'S THE CODE OR WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THE GUIDELINES? THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS RECOMMENDING A HUNDRED FOR UNIVERSITY AND COS GRAY POST ROAD 1 61 WOULD BE 100 AND ABOVE.
THIS IS IN A MIXED USE DISTRICT.
SO WE CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF GRAY SPACE, UM, WHERE THE COMMISSION CAN HELP GUIDE.
A HUNDRED COMPARED TO 20 TO 40.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M STUCK WITH AND KNOWING WHAT WAS POTENTIALLY ENVISIONED WITHIN OUR ZONING CODE FOR THIS AREA AND WITH THOSE SETBACKS.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT COS GRAY ROAD IS GONNA BECOME YET TO INSTANTLY SAY, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A 20 FOOT SETBACK.
SO I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION MISSING IN THIS PRESENTATION, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO HAVE BUY-IN YET.
THE ONLY THING CHRIS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT IS BASED THE SETBACKS FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WE'RE ANTICIPATING WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WITH THOSE SETBACKS? RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY, NO COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL OR FLEX INNOVATION TYPE BUSINESSES.
UM, THEY WERE ALSO PREDICTING OR THE CODE PERMITTED A LESSER HEIGHT, A MAXIMUM OF 68 AT THE TIME.
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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF WAS AROUND A MIXED USE ISN'T INDUSTRIAL, IT ISN'T SOME OF THE OTHER USES THAT WOULD'VE BEEN DEFINING A HUNDRED FOOT OR 200 FOOT SETBACK.SO IN, IN THE CASE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, AND IF WE, IF IT WOULD HELP TO GO BEYOND BRIDGE PARK, SHOW OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE REGION OR WITHIN THE US THAT START TO SHOW THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR SETBACKS AS A, AS OTHER, UM, WAYS TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THE CODE IS KIND OF GRAY WHEN WE START TO GO INTO MIXED USE VERSUS THE OTHERS.
AND TO CLARIFY THAT IS A COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT STREET SCAPE, NOT ZONING OR THIS SPECIFIC SITE? YEAH.
'CAUSE WE'RE ABANDONING THE I THE ID TWO ZONING FOR THE PUD, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY.
I, I PERSONALLY AM OKAY WITH THE SETBACKS IF THE FABRIC WAS LOOSENED UP SOME BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO DEFINE THE STREET.
AND YOU CAN'T DEFINE THE STREET CORRIDOR WHEN WITH THOSE KIND OF SETBACKS.
SO, AND, AND SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF WHY THE BUILDINGS ARE CLOSER, BUT, BUT THAT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO THE FORTRESS LOOK OR THIS DEVELOPMENT LOOKING REALLY MASSIVE.
SO IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY I PERSONALLY I WOULD GIVE ON THAT IF THE FABRIC LOOSENED UP SOME, I MEAN YOU HAD, YOU HAD MORE SPATIAL CORRIDORS RUNNING THROUGH IT.
UH, WOULD SO ON LIKE THE OFFICE BUILDING RIGHT NOW SHOW OR WE HAVE A, A GREEN SPACE OPEN SPACE.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY CREATED ON THAT NORTH STREET A WIDER OPENING.
SO THAT TRYING TO TO, SO BUT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR MORE OF THAT REDUCTION? WELL THAT'S WHY I ASK ABOUT THE, THE GREEN SPACE IN FRONT OF THE, BUT, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
THERE ARE FIVE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WHO MAY NOT FEEL THAT WAY.
BUT I CAN SEE AND YOU, WHERE THE WORD COS GRAY ROAD, YOU CAN SEE THE OFFICE ACTUALLY IS TILTED BACK.
NOW AGAIN, THIS IS AMASSING RETAILS PULLED OUT TO THE STREET TRY AND THE, SO I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE OPPORTUNITY MAYBE THAT THAT OFFICE HAS SOME MORE SETBACK, MORE BREAKDOWN, UM, WHICH WE HAVEN'T DONE ON, ON THIS SCALE, UM, COULD HELP WITH THAT.
I ALSO AM THINKING ABOUT SPORTS OHIO.
YOU TAKE THAT ROAD AND GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SPORTS OHIO.
SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE WALKING, YOU HAVE PEOPLE SO THEY, THEY'RE GONNA NEED MORE GRASS OR GONNA NEED MORE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THERE.
WE WANT THEM TO THINK ABOUT JUST LEAVING THEIR CAR THERE.
AND THEN, AND THEN WALKING OR TAKING A SHUTTLE AND SO FORTH.
SO IF IT'S, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M AT A LOSS.
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT THE SAFEST PLACE FOR THEM BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS ALSO THE ECONOMIC PART OF IT.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME BUT NOT BE FRUSTRATED TRYING TO GET DOWN THE ROAD AND WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET THERE.
UM, AND THE DENSITY AND SO FORTH.
HOW CAN WE ALLEVIATE AND THE ROAD SITUATION.
AND SO WHAT WE'LL TRY TO DO IS PROVIDE MORE OF THAT SECTION IF HOPEFULLY WE HAVE BETTER UNDERSTANDING FROM TRAFFIC AND OTHERS.
AND THEN WE CAN, WELL MAYBE WE HAVE IT IN THE SEC THAT SHOWS WHAT THAT SIDEWALK WIDTH, WHICH WE TRIED TO LEAVE A MUCH WIDER SIDEWALK.
I THINK TO YOUR POINT THOUGH, IT MAY MEAN AGAIN, ROOM FOR BIKE LANES, OTHER THINGS AS WE START TO STUDY ALL OF THAT.
SO I WANT YOU TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS TOO, BECAUSE I'VE JUST EXPRESSED MY OPINION AND THIS IS IMPORTANT AND I, I DON'T THINK VICKI SHARES MY OPINION AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S FINE.
BUT I, I WOULD LIKE OTHERS 'CAUSE THE SETBACKS WILL HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON HOW MUCH MASS THEY CAN BUILD ON THE SITE.
SO THE MORE, UM, FEEDBACK WE CAN GIVE HIM IN THIS AREA.
NO, I, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I, I AGREE WITH, I I, I DO THINK THE, THE SETBACKS AS PROPOSED, I'M FINE WITH.
I THINK YOU CAN, LIKE YOU MENTIONED I THINK WITH SOME OF THAT BUILDING ARTICULATION, LIKE YOU'RE DEALING WITH THAT THE J ONE BUILDING, I THINK IT'S A RESIDENTIAL LIKE WHERE THAT'S AT AN ANGLE SO IT'S NOT RIGHT UP ON THE ROAD.
SO THERE'S SOME, SOME THINGS I THINK WE CAN GET CREATIVE WITH THE ARCHITECTURE AND SOME OF THAT ARTICULATION, HOW THE BUILDINGS CITED OKAY.
BUT I, I WOULD SAY THAT THE REDUCTION OF SETBACKS ACTUALLY MAKES IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
MORE, MORE ACTIVATES THAT CORRIDOR A LOT MORE AND MAKES IT A LOT BETTER CONNECTION TO SOMETHING LIKE DARK.
SO I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE, OF THE SETBACKS AGAIN, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT REDUCTION OF THE BUILDINGS AND SOME OF THAT, I, I I I THINK IT, IT ACTIVATES THE SPACE AND MAKES IT FEEL GREAT.
SO, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S COUNTER TO SOME OTHER COMMENTS, BUT IT'S INTERESTING AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A VIDEO ON IT.
BUT, UM, THERE WAS A SPEAKER THE OTHER NIGHT TALKING ABOUT WALKABILITY AND THE FIRST THING HE DID IS, UH, MOVE IT ALL IN AND KEEP PEOPLE SAFE BY HAVING CARS PARKED ALONG THE SIDE, EXTRA ON BOTH SIDES.
AND THEN, AND THEN ALSO, UM, MAKING SURE THERE'S, UH, BIKING AND
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PATHS AS WELL AS JUST THE WHOLE SIDEWALK.SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S NOT SMALL.
SO
UM, I KNOW FIVE FEET DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT, BUT EVEN GIVING THAT PLUS AN 11 FOOT SIDEWALK, WHICH YOU WOULD PUT IN FRONT OF RETAIL, WE PUT IN FRONT OF RESIDENTIAL ON THE GREEN, ON THE INSIDE WE PUT THE BIKE PATH AND THE SIDEWALK.
IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH SPACE IT STARTS TO EAT UP.
SO, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'VE ACCOMMODATED FOR IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REVIEW TO MAKE SURE HILLARY, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.
YEAH, WELL I WAS GONNA REITERATE, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT KATHY, ABOUT THE, THE WALKABILITY SPEAKER TALKING ABOUT JUST MAKING SURE YOUR WALKERS FEEL SAFE AND PUTTING TREES TO, YOU KNOW, ON THE, IN THE, ON THE TREE LAWN, I'VE LEARNED THAT TERM
ARE THOSE THE TWO BLUE BUILDINGS? I'VE, I HAD TO LOOK UP YOUR COLOR SCHEME HERE TO FIGURE OUT THE USAGE.
UM, IT SAYS THE RETAIL, IS THE RETAIL GONNA BE OPENING ONTO COS GRAY? OKAY.
SO THAT DOES MAKE IT MUCH MORE INVITING.
SO YOU DO WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL SAFE WALKING ALONG THERE AND WALKING IN, UM, AND IT GIVES THE HOTEL RESIDENTS SOMETHING TO DO AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
MAKE SURE IT'S PULLING PEOPLE OUT TO THAT EDGE VERSUS BRINGING 'EM DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE HAVE MORE CARS GOING DOWN.
SO THEN I WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE OTHERS THAT IF THE MASSING WERE REDUCED SOMEHOW BY SETBACKS OR PUSH BACKS OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THOSE ON THE UPPER FLOORS, THAT WOULD HELP.
UM, AND MAKING THE WALKERS FEEL SAFE, CREATING ENOUGH OF ASSESS SET BACK THAT YOU COULD HAVE, WE'LL TRY TO PROVIDE A RENDERING OF THAT INTERACTIVE WALKING.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
I THINK WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE GONNA FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE WALKABILITY.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE EVER GONNA FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE WALKABILITY TO GET TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T FORESEE THAT THERE IS, UM, THE WAY THINGS ARE DEVELOPING ALONG 1 61.
THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
WHAT GETS DEVELOPED OF CROS GRAY.
I DON'T SEE, I MEAN THERE'S RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AMAZINGLY CLOSE TO WHERE THIS IS.
AND THEY ARE HONESTLY FOR THE SIZE OF THE HOMES, THEY'RE PRETTY DENSELY PACKED IN ON THEIR SITES THAT YOU'LL, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THIS FROM WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED.
UM, IT'S VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY.
I DON'T SEE A SAFE PATHWAY THAT IT, THERE IS SO MUCH TRAFFIC CONGESTION ALONG THAT ROADWAY AT MULTIPLE HOURS OF THE DAY NOW.
UM, AND I SEE ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT WHILE IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN, THAT DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING AS MARYSVILLE PUSHES OUR BORDERS.
IT'S HAPPENING IN PLAIN CITY VERY, VERY QUICKLY.
SO I DON'T PERCEIVE THIS GOING DOWN AND IT'S, I'M SURE THE VERY REASON WHY THEY WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA VERY MUCH CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THAT AREA VERY QUICKLY IS WHERE I'M SITTING.
CHRIS, DO YOU WANNA BRING THE NEXT UM, I DO WANNA, YES.
AND I'M GLAD WE WAITED FOR TODAY 'CAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN EXTRA LONG NIGHT
UM, THE SECOND QUESTION, WE DID TOUCH ON IT, BUT I DO WANT TO POSE IT TO THE COMMISSION, IS THE COMMISSION'S SUPPORTIVE OF THE BUILDING HEIGHTS AND THE TRANSITIONS IS THE OTHER PIECE? I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE TOUCHED ON AS MUCH I CAN QUICKLY SAY WE DID ADDRESS THE BUILDING HEIGHTS.
UM, I, GENERAL ARTICULATION I APPRECIATE, I LIKE THE DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURE BEHIND IT.
THE TRANSITIONS YOU'RE, YOU'RE THINKING OF WITHIN THE BUILDING MASSES OR IN THE SPACES BETWEEN THE MASSES, BETWEEN THE MASSES, BETWEEN DIFFERENT BUILDING HEIGHTS AND RELATIONSHIP TO NOT THE SITE.
SO NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
HOW ARE THE BUILDINGS INTERACTING WITH THE CONTEXT AND ITS SURROUNDING? OKAY, I'LL SAY OBVIOUSLY IT'S DIFFICULT TO INTERACT WITH THE FIELDS.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A COSTCO THERE, WHICH IS A MUCH LARGER BUILDING.
I THINK THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S HORIZONTAL SUPPORTS A LITTLE BIT LARGER SCALE, BUT YOU KNOW, GENERALLY THIS IS A CHANGE TO THAT ENVIRONMENT.
I THINK EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THAT.
YEAH, I DEFINITELY LIKE, UM, HAVING THE CHANGE IN ELEVATIONS WITHIN THE BUILDING.
SO I THINK THAT IS A PLUS TO OVERALL FOR THE DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT INTERACTS WITH THE THINGS AROUND IT.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS COMING, AND I'M THINKING ABOUT, UM, WHAT OOU ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED AND THEY DID ENVISION THAT THERE WOULD BE MIXED DEVELOPMENT HERE.
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UM, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL HOUSING FOR THAT OU CAMPUS.UM, BUT THEY ENVISION THAT IN THE FUTURE AND CURRENTLY THIS COMPLETE, THE DESIGN THAT YOU HAVE NOW COMPLETELY CUTS OFF A CONNECTION THERE BETWEEN THE UNIVERSITY.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WILL EVER YET DEVELOPED WITH THE UNIVERSITY, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A REAL ASSET TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND CURRENTLY YOU, YOU HAD SOME GREEN SPACE AND A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTRODUCTION BETWEEN THERE AND OU THAT IS NOW GONE AND AT LEAST THIS VERSION BETWEEN THAT AND WHAT I COULD RESEARCH ONLINE PREVIOUS TO GETTING HERE.
SO JUST FOR THAT, SO THOSE, THOSE CONNECTIONS AND THEN TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT, THERE WERE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS THAT OU ASKED FOR AND CONSENTED TO.
AND WE'RE NOW GOING ABOVE THAT WITH THIS ONE, WHICH IS WHY I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT HEIGHT LIMITATION A LITTLE BIT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE ASKING HOW IS IT TRANSITIONING TO THE OTHER AREAS, A LOT OF THE STUFF AROUND IT IS STILL NOT DEVELOPED.
SO WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING HERE IS GONNA FOSTER WHAT'S GETTING DEVELOPED AROUND US.
AND TO MAKE IT EVEN TOUGHER, THE OU ROAD OR UNIVERSITY WAS ACTUALLY IN OU MASTER PLAN WAS SHOWN DR GOING SOUTH MORE STRAIGHT.
BUT THE CURRENT IS TO CURVE IT IN FASTER.
SO IT'S THE OU MASTER PLAN'S HARD TO EVEN OVERLAY ON IT BECAUSE THE NEW UNIVERSITY IS TAKING OUT WHAT THEY WERE SHOWING AS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT, IT IS DIFFICULT TO KNOW WHAT THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY.
SO I I I, AND SOME OF THE UNFORTUNATE FROM THAT MASTER PLAN WAS MOST OF THOSE BUILDINGS ON THAT SIDE WERE PARKING GARAGES FOR OU.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS POTENTIALLY PARKING GARAGES, WHICH IS NOT A GREAT INTERACTIVE PLACE, BUT WE HAVE TRIED TO CREATE STRONG CONNECTION UNIVERSITY ALSO PULLING AWAY.
WE COULDN'T SHOW THE ROAD WE ORIGINALLY SHOWED THE ROAD, OUR SOUTH ROAD CONNECTING TO UNIVERSITY.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SHOW A ROAD ON NOT OUR LAND.
SO THERE ARE THINGS I THINK, UM, WITH THE WAY THE, WHAT THE CLIENT IS TRYING TO DO BY BEING ABLE TO PURCHASE THAT LAND WOULD ALLOW US TO CREATE THAT CONNECTION AND, AND HAVE MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS TO OU OUR INTENTION IS NOT TO CUT IT OFF.
IT'LL, IT'LL HELP ME WHEN THIS COMES DOWN THE ROAD AND I CAN SEE THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THINGS LIKE THAT OKAY.
AND UM, I'M KEEPING IN AN OPEN MIND, ALTHOUGH I HAVE RESERVATIONS.
SO THAT'S WHERE I IT DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANNA COMMENT ON THE TRANS THE TRANSITIONS, THE CONNECTIONS? I THINK ALL ALONG WHAT WILL BE NICE IS, UM, WHEN YOU ARE, UH, KEEPING OU IN THE PICTURE FOR US SO THAT WE CAN FOR SURE SEE WHERE THAT'S GOING AND UM, HOW MUCH MORE YOU HAVE TRIED TO CONNECT THEM.
AND UH, AND YOUR ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM I THINK WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
'CAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT, THE HOUSING'S IMPORTANT AND, UH, SO FORTH.
I I THINK THE TRANSITIONS ON THE, IN THE SITE DEVELOPMENT ARE QUITE NICE BECAUSE YOUR CROSS STREET, YOUR FIRST CROSS STREET TO THE NORTH IS A RETAIL CROSS STREET.
THEN AS YOU MOVE FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, THAT NEXT STREET IS A RESIDENTIAL CROSS STREET.
SO THOSE STREETS HAVE VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS AND SO THEY MOVE.
SO THE TRANSITION OF MOVING FROM THE MOST ACTIVE PART OF THE SITE, WHICH IS WHERE YOUR HOTEL IS IN THE FRONT TO THE MOST PASSIVE PART OF THE SITE, I THINK IS, IS VERY GOOD PLANNING.
SO I, I FIND THAT VERY POSITIVE.
UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, THE LINKAGE TO OU JUST, YOU DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE EVER GONNA DEVELOP THAT PLAN, BUT AT LEAST THE EFFORT TO MAKE THAT SPACE IN FRONT OF THE GROCERY STORE CREATES KIND OF A FRONT DOOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DO THAT SIGNATURE BUILDING ACROSS FROM THERE, GREAT, BUT IF THEY DON'T, YOU HAVE THE SPACE.
IT'S KIND OF A FRONT DOOR WHEN YOU'RE ENTERING FROM UNIVERSITY.
SO I I, YOU CAN'T CONNECT TO THE FABRIC ON THE OTHER SIDE OF COS GRAY
YOU DON'T WANNA DO OUT PARCEL ARCHITECTURE ON THIS SITE.
I MEAN, THAT, TO ME, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD POSSIBLY CONNECT TO THAT.
AND, AND WITH HOUSES, THOSE HOUSES MAY NOT BE THERE VERY LONG.
SO IT, IT'S HARD TO MAKE REAL CONNECTIONS OTHER THAN THE STREET ALIGNMENTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M WITH THOSE QUALIFICATIONS FINE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED.
JUST A QUESTION MAYBE, UM, DOWN THE ROAD IT, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE, BUT CONTACTING THE BUSINESSES ACROSS WITH COSTCO AND ALL OF THOSE COS AND YEAH, AND
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KELLY WAS JUST SAYING WE UH, OWN ONE OF THOSE HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF COS GRAY.SO THAT'S PART OF, UM, WE HAVE THEIR INPUT ON IT,
UM, AND TALKING, AND AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED OU BUT YES, DEFINITELY TALKING TO THEM TO THE NORTH FOR SURE.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS ONE IS A COMPLICATED ONE.
SO
UM, WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BALANCE OF EMPLOYMENT GENERATING USES VERSUS RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT THAT.
DO ANY OF YOU HAVE MISGIVINGS ABOUT THE CURRENT BALANCE? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE, WELL I GUESS WE DO IT BUILDING WISE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE USES ARE GOING TO BE.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE USES ARE GOING TO BE AND I WAS JUST REFERRING TO MORE GENERAL YEAH, LIKE COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD RATIO AT LEAST BASED ON WHAT THE BUILDINGS ARE
UM, I'D SAY GENERALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S TRUE MIXED USE.
I THINK I, YOU KNOW, WOULD SUPPORT LESS IF, IF THOSE RATIOS COME OUT ONCE WE SEE WHAT THEY ARE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PROBABLY A LITTLE LESS RESIDENTIAL RELATIVE TO OFFICE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A PRACTICAL BALANCE TO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA MAKE AN ENGINE FOR THE OFFICE USE, UM, BUT THE PHASING IN PARTICULAR, HAVING NO OFFICE IN THAT FIRST PHASE.
SO ALL WE'RE GUARANTEED IS THE, IS THE HOTEL AND RESIDENTIAL IS, IS NOT IDEAL.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THOUGHT I HAD ANOTHER POINT ON THERE, BUT I'LL LEAVE IT.
I HAD TO SAY I, I, I'M DOING A FAVOR OF AS WHERE WE STAND TODAY AND WHAT YOU PROPOSE.
AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, I GUESS QUESTIONS, BUT AS THE, THE, THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADING TO ME FEELS LIKE THE RIGHT BALANCE OF USES, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB INCORPORATING THE, THE RETAIL, UM, AND SOME OF THOSE GROUND FLOOR USES, BRINGING IT THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND A, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, MIXING OF THE TOWN HOMES.
I, I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO GARY'S POINT EARLIER OF, OF IT BEING VERY SYMMETRICAL.
SO IF WE CAN DO SOME THINGS TO BREAK UP THE SYMMETRY THAT YOU WERE SHOWING HERE, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH DIFFERENT USES.
UM, BUT I I, AGAIN, AT THIS POINT WHERE WE STAND TODAY, I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY HEADING DOWN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OF THE MIX OF DIFFERENT USES AND, AND, AND REALLY CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OFFICE SPACE, RE RESIDENTIAL, RETAIL, HOTEL, JUST KIND OF A, I THINK IT'S A NICE BLEND WHERE WE'RE HEADING RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE DEFINITELY WANNA HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT AND GET A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC AROUND WHAT EXACTLY IS BEING PROPOSED.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I THINK IT'S GREAT.
YEAH, I, I'M, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO SAY THE BALANCE OF EMPLOYMENT VERSUS RESIDENTIAL USE IS, IS NOT CORRECT.
UM, I'VE HAD SOME RECENT EXPERIENCE THAT COINCIDES WITH VICKI'S COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, RETAIL USES THAT A CLIENT THOUGHT WE'RE ALL GONNA BE RETAIL USES AND ALL THE INTEREST HAS BEEN RESIDENT OR, UM, RESTAURANTS.
SO, AND SO MANY RETAIL USES NOW IN THE BASE OF BUILDINGS ARE CONVERTED TO SERVICES, NAIL SALONS AND TANNING CENTERS AND UM, YOU KNOW, ORANGE THEORY AND, UM, SO, SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY TRUE RETAIL.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR, YOUR PLAN.
I LIKE THE, I LIKE IT AND I LIKE WHERE IT'S CONCENTRATED, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE'LL SEE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, UM, QUESTIONS ON THERE.
DO WE NEED TO GO INTO DISCOURAGED OR PROHIBITIVE USES? I MEAN, WE HAVE THINGS IN OUR ZONING, WELL, ZONING DOESN'T APPLY, BUT THERE ARE THINGS LIKE DATA CENTERS WE WOULDN'T WANT AND MANUFACTURING USES.
WE WOULDN'T WANT STORAGE, WE WOULDN'T WANT UTILITIES, WAREHOUSE, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL.
UM, DO YOU NEED THAT KIND OF INPUT? I THINK IT'S IN WITH THE PROPOSED USES.
THEY'RE HAVING OFFICE, COMMERCIAL, RETAIL, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE THINGS LIKE DRIVE THROUGHS OR THOSE AND THOSE IN LINE WITH THAT VERSUS THINGS THAT THEY'RE NOT CONTEMPLATING.
INDUSTRIAL IS NOT ONE OF THE USES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
SO WE WOULDN'T THINK ABOUT ANY OF THOSE KIND OF SUB OR MORE SPECIFIC TYPE USES.
SO THE DRIVE-THROUGH COMES UP A LOT.
DO WE WANT TO, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ON OTHER PROJECTS ABOUT DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES.
DO WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE 'EM NOT TO INCLUDE THAT? I WOULDN'T, YEAH, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF
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ENCOURAGING THEM NOT TO INCLUDE DRIVE-THROUGHS IN THIS, JUST FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT.YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE BENEFIT OF SEEING OUR TEXTS YET, BUT WE, WE DON'T ALLOW DRIVE-THROUGHS.
SO WE'VE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THAT COMMITMENT.
WE DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE HERE.
UM, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH, PLEASE.
UM, JUST TALKING ABOUT RETAIL, HAS A CITY, UH, HAVE ANY PROVISIONS ON, UH, SAY IF THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT ARE OPEN JUST FOR THE IDEA OF POP-UPS THAT ARE THERE FOR JUST THE EXPERIENCE OF, UM, WHAT'S HAPPENING THAT WEEKEND.
IT COULD BE THAT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL SOCCER, UM, TOURNAMENT THAT'S HAPPENING AND SO THEN FOUR OR FIVE BUSINESSES BECOME, UM, SOCCER BUSINESSES AND UH, GEAR AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
IS, IS, WOULD THAT BE AMENABLE? I MEAN THERE ARE THINGS LIKE FARMER'S MARKETS, WHICH I MIGHT CALL AKIN TO THAT OR THAT ARE OCCUR THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
YEAH, I WAS THINKING MORE OF A, A A, YOU KNOW, MORTAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BUSINESS DOOR FRONT AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESSES.
KATHY, WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THAT SPACE WHEN IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR A SPECIAL EVENT? YEAH.
UM, THAT WOULD BE THE, BECAUSE THEN YOU'D HAVE A, THAT COULD BE, YEAH, THEY CAN BUILDING OR VACANT.
IT COULD BE VACANT, IT COULD BE ANOTHER SPACE.
UM, MEANING THAT IT'S UH, TEMPORARY FOR ANOTHER TIME.
SEEMS LIKE THESE WEEKENDS OR UH, SUMMERTIME CAN BE 24 7 OF DIFFERENT GROUPS COMING IN AND HOW CAN WE BE READY FOR THEM? THAT LOOKS LIKE WE WERE PLANNING FOR THEM TO COME.
SO EASTON DOES, I MEAN IT'S VERY COMMON IN RETAIL THAT WE DO THAT VIA WHAT'S CALLED A LICENSE AGREEMENT.
IT'S DONE AS, IT'S NOT A SPECIAL ZONING.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY OFTENTIMES ARE LEASING RETAIL SPACES, WHETHER IT'S THE HOLIDAY TIME, WHETHER IT'S THE MASTERS, WHETHER OR THE MUIRFIELD TOURNAMENT, SORRY, I'M JUST KIDDING, AFTER THE MASTERS.
IT REALLY IS DRIVEN BY WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
POPUPS, I MEAN THEY'RE DONE IN, SOMETIMES AS YOU MENTIONED, FARMER'S MARKET, SOME THERE'S, NOW YOU SEE THEM EVEN WHERE THEY COME IN A RETAIL SHIPPING CONTAINER THAT'S A HAPPEN CONTAINER OR MODIFIED ITEMS THAT DO COME IN THOSE WAYS.
BUT THEY ALSO COME IN STRICTLY BY RENTING VACANT SPACES THAT ALREADY HAVE THE FOUR WALLS OF STOREFRONT.
THE LAST FOUR ITEMS ON HERE REALLY GET INTO PARKING AND HOW WE FEEL ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE SURFACE PARKING.
HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT PADS FOR POTENTIAL PADS OR LOCATIONS OF OFFICE BUILDINGS BEING PARKING LOTS INITIALLY.
UM, AND 'CAUSE THAT THAT'S UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL, THAT'S POTENTIAL PHASING AND TEMPORARY CONDITIONS CREATED BY PHASING.
SO WHAT ARE OUR FEELINGS ABOUT? AND WE HAVE THE PARKING ON COS GREG, THE STAFF REPORT, YOU KNOW, SAYS THE AND AND I, I, I THINK THE STAFF REPORT MAKES GOOD OBSERVATIONS.
THE CONDITIONS ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE CONDITIONS ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
SO HOW ABOUT SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT? SORRY, I'M UH, SUPPORTIVE OF AVOIDING SURFACE LOTS WHEREVER YOU CAN.
UM, I THINK THAT THEY WERE PRETTY LIMITED IN THE PLAN.
THERE'S THE ONE LOCATION OF, IN TERMS OF PERMANENT SURFACE LOTS, THERE'S THE ONE LOCATION WE DISCUSSED THAT'S ACROSS FROM THE POTENTIAL, IF YOU'D GO BACK THREE OR FOUR ACROSS FROM THE POTENTIAL, UM, THERE IT IS OU SIGNATURE BUILDING THE, THAT LOCATION FOR THAT LOT.
I DID WONDER AS YOU WENT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, IF IT, IF THERE'S A WAY TO ALIGN THAT THROUGH STREET TO MAKE THAT KIND OF ADDRESS OU UM, 'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNFORTUNATE IF AGAIN, IF WE GET TO A POINT WHERE THAT'S A SIGNATURE BUILDING FOR THAT TO BE UM, A SERVICE LOT.
SO OUTSIDE OF THAT ONE THERE REALLY AREN'T ANY TO CONSIDER THE TEMPORARY SERVICE LOTS I'M NOT A FAN OF.
UM, I REALIZE YOU NEED STAGING, UH, AND IF THERE'S PARKING CONCERNS THAT NECESSITATE 'EM, I WOULD UNDERSTAND.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE KIND OF TALKED THROUGH THAT WHERE THERE POTENTIALLY AREN'T.
SO IN MY STANCE, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE COS GRAY PARKING ON COS GRAY STREET PARKING? THAT'S HARD FOR ME TO ENVISION WHAT BECOMES OF COS GRAY.
WE'VE GOT THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY THAT THEY'VE LEFT.
UM, I DON'T, UH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW THAT IF THAT'S A WIDE BOULEVARD THAT CAN SUPPORT STREET PARKING FOR SOME DISTANCE UP TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND I'M SURE IT'D HAVE TO STOP AT SOME DISTANCE BEFORE THE ROUNDABOUT.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE ALSO YOU MENTIONED THAT'S THE CITY CITY, CORRECT.
THE PURVIEW IS, IS A RIGHT OF WAY OR AN IMPROVEMENT WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? NO.
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DRAWINGS THAT SHOW THESE POTENTIAL TEMPORARY LOTS.UM, HOW DO THE OTHERS OF YOU FEEL ABOUT THESE? AND I'LL, SORRY, REAL QUICK TO CLARIFY.
TEMPORARY BEING COULD BE THERE FOR 5, 10, 15 YEARS.
TEMPORARY BEING FOREVER AS WELL AS PART OF THAT QUESTION.
I WOULD JUST SAY WE WANNA HAVE PROVISIONS LIKE ANY OTHER SURFACE LOT.
IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A TEMPORARY LOT, WE NEED IT LANDSCAPED AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE BUFFERING THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY REQUIRE, I THINK WE, WE WANT TO ADD TO THE, THE TEXT HERE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT JUST ALLOWING A GRAVEL SURFACE LOT FOR 15 YEARS.
I'M, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE SURFACE PARKING LOT.
JUST FOR, THERE IS NO CONTROL OF HOW LONG.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, SOMETHING THAT SAYS IT'S CAN BE TEMPORARY CAN END UP BEING THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
I VERY MUCH KNOW THAT YOU NEED CONSTRUCTION LAY DOWN SPACE.
SO THAT IS, THAT IS EASILY WORKABLE WITHIN THIS.
AND I AM SURE AS YOU GET DOWN THE ROAD YOU ARE GOING TO TELL US THE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT YOU'RE GONNA USE FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENT.
WE WENT THROUGH THAT WITH BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR AS WELL, THAT HOW THEY PAN THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE BUILDINGS, HOW THEY ROTATED, WHAT THOSE SPACES WERE.
UM, HAVING, UM, SURFACE PARKING AREAS.
THERE'S BEEN NO EXPLANATION AT LEAST HERE THIS EVENING WHAT THE NEED IS.
WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T ASSOCIATED US, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY CALL THOSE OUT.
WE ACTUALLY PUT 'EM ON THE LITTLE NOTE IN THE GREEN AREA TO THE RIGHT, THE GRAY BOXES.
WE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T ADDRESS IT 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY CALL 'EM OUT AS TEMPORARY.
THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE PAD SITES AND I WOULD USE IT.
IT SAYS POTENTIAL TEMPORARY SURFACE PARKING AREA.
I IN THE NEXT PHASE DOWN IF THE, SO NOT NOT OUT ON THE ROAD.
SO THE AREAS THAT I'M LOOKING ON THE PLAN HERE WHERE YOU HAVE, UM, YEAH WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T CALL THOSE UP.
THAT'S THE GREEN AREAS IS THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TEMPORARY PARKING.
THAT'S TALKING AND, AND AGAIN THE SIZE.
AND THEN FOR EACH OF THOSE PHASES WHEN THEY COME FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THOSE PARCELS, WE WOULD DO THE TEMPORARY PARKING, THE CONSTRUCTION LAY DOWN, ALL THAT WOULD BE WORKED OUT.
UM, BUT THOSE COULD BE SET WAY OFF THE ROAD.
UM, AND NOT DO THEM ON THE PAD SITES.
THOSE PAD SITES COULD THEN JUST BE GRASS AREAS, UM, AND NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE COST OF THE PARKING AND OR THE VISIBILITY OF PARKING ON THE ROADS.
SO I THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT UM, TEMPORARY PARKING IN THOSE AREAS, THEN YOU'RE TAKING AWAY FROM THE SELLING FEATURE OF THAT PARK AND GREEN SPACE THAT YOU'RE CREATING DOWN THE CENTER.
NO, I MEAN THE NEXT PHASE THAT COMES ALONG WOULD TAKE THAT PARKING OUT.
IT WOULD GO AWAY WHEN THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT COMES ALONG, BUT IT CAN EQUALLY JUST REMAIN GREEN SPACE.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW MUCH.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING AT.
THERE'S BEEN NO PRESENTATION ON WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT, WHAT'S THE NEED FOR THAT TO BE PARKING.
SO WE'LL PROVIDE WHAT THE POTENTIAL SIZE AND LOOK OF WHAT THAT PARKING WOULD BE.
AND WE PUT THE NOTE 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN SHOW THAT FOR THE NEXT, MY MY FEELINGS SINCE NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO COMMENT ON THIS.
IF YOU HAVE TO DO SOME TEMPORARY PARKING, IT REALLY NEEDS TO MEET SOME OF OUR STANDARDS FOR FULLY LANDSCAPE FULLY.
OUR COMMUNITY HAS SOME PRETTY STRONG BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS.
SO I THINK IT HAS TO BE COMPLETELY BUFFERED.
AND I'M GLAD YOU SAID THOSE GRAY AREAS ARE JUST LOCATIONS OF FUTURE BUILDINGS.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA LEAVE A CONCRETE SLAB THERE, IT'S JUST GONNA BE GRASS.
SO THE ONLY OTHER AREA I WOULD THINK NEEDS TO BE BUFFERED OR NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IS IF YOU DO, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE FUNCTIONAL NEED FOR PARKING IN FRONT OF THE GROCERY STORE, UH, OR NEAR THE SURFACE, PARKING NEAR THE GROCERY STORE.
AND THE GROCERY STORE IS REALLY VALUABLE FOR A LOT OF WAYS.
BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE REALLY BUFFERED.
I MEAN, I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, I NEED, I KNOW YOU NEED A LITTLE VISIBILITY OF THE PARKING, BUT YEP.
BUT WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON THAT.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOW, UM, IT BEING THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
UH, AND IF THERE'S A TIMELINE THAT CAN BE PLACED ON THAT, BUT ALSO IF YOU SAY TO YOURSELF, THIS COULD BE GRASS, LET IT BE GRASS.
AND IF YOU NEED TO USE IT AS SOMETHING ELSE, WONDER IF THERE'S SOME TEMPORARY SOMETHING YOU CAN PUT ON TOP THAT THEN YOU CAN, UM, PUT YOUR EQUIPMENT AND THEN IT GOES AWAY AND THEN THERE'S GRASS.
I I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL.
TECHNICALLY OUR GOAL WOULD BE THAT OFFICE GETS BUILT AT THE SAME TIME AND IT, IT NEVER ENDS UP.
BUT YES, I THINK WE CAN UM, WE CAN SHOW HOW THAT WOULD LOOK.
SO YOU WANT A LITTLE MORE FEEDBACK ON THE PARKING
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I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO SEGUE INTO THESE QUESTIONS AS THEY MOVE ALONG, WHICH IS PERFECT.UH, BUT DEFINITELY WANTED THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK SPECIFICALLY ON THIS POINT.
I THAT, I MEAN, GARY JUST ASKED A QUESTION.
I THINK THE APPLICANT KIND OF COMMENT, THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT.
SO I'M, I'M, I'M, I I KNOW IT'S NECESSARY, BUT AGAIN, IF WE CAN COME UP WITH MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER SCENARIO BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD, I THINK THAT'S THE BEST SCENARIO AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TODAY WITH IT.
I I THERE'S NO, WELL I'M NOT SURE.
I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF US WHO ARE OKAY WITH POTENTIALLY SOME SURFACE PARKING AT THE GROCERY STORE.
BUT I THINK OUR COMFORT LEVEL IS REALLY GONNA DEPEND ON HOW YOU TREAT IT, UH, HOW YOU BUFFER IT.
AND WE WILL, WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT FOR SURE.
WE DO HAVE SURFACE THAT'S, WE DO HAVE PARKING THROUGHOUT.
SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT THAT'S WHY I SAID WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT PARKING IS BECAUSE THERE'S LOCATIONS WHERE IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE AND AS TEMPORARY PARKING.
THAT TEMPORARY PARKING IS SERVING SOMETHING.
SERVING WHAT IN THE PERMANENT LOT.
THIS IS ON THE PERMANENT LOT, UH, IN FRONT OF THE GROCERY STORE.
UM, I WAS TALKING ABOUT UM, ALSO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF PARKING LOT SPACE ON UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD ON THE UNI ON THE OU SIDE RIGHT NOW, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO STAY? IS THAT JUST SOMETHING IN THEIR MASTER PLAN THAT GOES AWAY OR WOULD THAT THAT REMAIN THE OU FRAMEWORK PLAN CONTEMPLATES MOSTLY STRUCTURED PARKING IN, UM, THEIR FRAMEWORK PLAN PROBLEM WITH LOOKING AT THAT IS WE DON'T KNOW THEIR TIMELINE.
THE CURRENT NOW IT SURFACES SURFACE
ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT SET OF QUESTIONS, UM, THE CHANGES TO THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK.
WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ARE THERE SPECIFIC PARAMETERS SUCH AS MINIMUM SIZES, LOCATIONS, FEATURES, DESIGN STANDARDS.
UH, THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S REALLY TRICKY.
SO HOW DO WE UH, I CAN START, I'LL START 'CAUSE I KIND OF ADDRESSED IT EARLIER.
I I THINK THAT AGAIN, WE'VE GOT AN ANSWER.
THE, THE QUESTION THERE WAS WHAT I KIND OF ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WE'VE GOT THIS, WHAT WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU PROPOSED LAST TIME WAS, WAS GREAT.
UM, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF MOVE TOWARDS CAN WE, CAN WE ACT, DO A BETTER JOB ACTIVATING THAT GREEN SPACE? JUST KINDA LIKE I MENTIONED, WE CAN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING THOSE ROADS BE, CAN WE REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ROADS SO WE CAN REDUCE THE NUMBER OF AUTOMOTIVE TRAFFIC AND REALLY F YOU KNOW, MAKE THIS A REALLY NICE PEDESTRIAN, VERY SAFE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CROSSING ROADS AND ESPECIALLY IN THAT SUCH WITH THE TOWER AND THE EMPATHY.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING IS SO UNIQUE IN THERE.
IT'D BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO SIT OUT THERE AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU TABLES OUT THERE CHAIRS THAT JUST HANG OUT IN THE SPACE AND JUST HAVE IT BE A REALLY, REALLY ACTIVE STREET SCAPE.
YOU GO TO PLACES, YOU KNOW, YOU REFERENCE A CITY LIKE BOULDER, COLORADO WHERE THEY'VE GOT THAT, THAT RETAIL AREA AND IT'S JUST ALL WALKABLE AND IT'S, IT IS SO UNIQUE.
WHAT'S THAT? YEAH, THE PEARL STREET AND, YEAH, YEAH.
NOT THAT I DON'T WANT TO, NOT NOT, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A ODD COMPARISON, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WHERE YOU CAN JUST WALK AROUND RETAIL NOT OUT, YOU'RE OUTSIDE.
NO, DON'T HAVE TO WORRY AT, AT ALL ABOUT AUTOMOTIVE TRAFFIC.
SO I THINK IF WE CAN, CAN REPLICATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE WITH, AGAIN, LEAVING IT OPEN FOR SERVICE VEHICLES, WHATEVER'S NECESSARY IN THAT SPACE.
I, I, I MEAN I THINK IT'D BE AWESOME.
I, I MEAN, AND, AND TALK ABOUT HAVING A, A REALLY NICE GREEN SPACE.
UM, A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE SITE ALLOCATED TO THAT OPEN SPACE AND I CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE JUST REALLY, REALLY SPECIAL.
I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION ON TOP OF THAT, THAT ALSO CHANGES BY DOING YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS THERE.
IT CHANGES THE NOISE LEVEL TOO AND THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU'RE HAVE HAVING AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THOSE FEATURES OF ART AND OTHER THINGS THAT KIND OF FIT IN AND, AND BEING UNIQUE ABOUT THAT, I GUESS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAIN WALLS THAT ARE APPEARING AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THAT.
SO I THINK THOSE KIND OF FOCAL POINTS WILL BE IMPORTANT IN, IN THAT AREA AS WELL TOO.
UH, YEAH, I THINK LIKE, LIKE MOST OF US, I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE ASPECT OF THIS.
UH, AND YOU'VE RETAINED A LOT OF IT.
I THINK SOME ASPECTS OF IT ARE BETTER.
UM, I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF THE TOWER'S UNIQUE FEATURE.
MY CONCERNS ON IT ARE AROUND THE PHASING.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE THE BIGGEST REASON I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT OR SUPPORTIVE OF IT SO FAR THROUGH THE STAGES.
UM, AND SO WHERE DOES, WHERE'S THE TOWER COME IN? WHAT PHASES THAT, WHAT PHASE IS THIS USABLE AS A, AS ITS OWN FEATURE? YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE BUILDING BACK AS WE GO DOWN, I, I WANNA SEE IT AS USABLE AS POSSIBLE AS, AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
CAN I, SORRY, CAN I HAVE ONE QUICK THOUGHT TOO? THE, THE, THE, THE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE TWO PLANS, AND GARY REFERENCED IT EARLIER, THIS, THE NEW PLAN SEEMS VERY GEO, VERY
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MORE STRUCTURED AND, AND GEOMETRIC.AND I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 2025 PROPOSAL, THE ORGANIC NATURE OF THAT GREEN SPACE AND SOME OF THE ANCILLARY SPACES AROUND IT, I THINK HELP ADD A LOT OF VIBRANCY TO THE, TO THE GREEN, THE OPEN SPACE AS WELL.
I, I THINK THE, I, I REALLY LIKE THE OPEN SPACE AND, AND I THINK THE LOGIC OF THE TOWER IS, IS VERY NICE.
AND I THINK THE SECTION, THE WAY THE ROADS WORK, YOU CAN WALK ACROSS, YOU HAVE TRAFFIC UNDERNEATH.
SO I THINK THE SECTION THERE IS, IS REALLY NICE AS WELL.
I, I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT CROSSING RIVERSIDE DRIVE HERE.
'CAUSE I, I AGREE WITH EARLIER COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, BRIDGE PARK IS LIKE BRIDGE PARK ESSENTIALLY A HIGHWAY EVEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO FOLLOW THAT SPEED LIMIT.
BUT, UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PARK OVER THERE AND I, I DON'T THINK THIS WILL BE DIVORCED AS, AS THAT IS.
UM, SO I, I, I, I LIKED, I I AGREE WITH JAMIE'S COMMENTS THAT HE MADE, MADE A FEW MOMENTS AGO.
SO I, I WON'T REPEAT THOSE, BUT I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
I KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE.
SO, UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE GREEN SPACE I JUST WANNA HAVE AND WHETHER IT'S JUST BEING MORE EDUCATED THAT IT REALLY FEELS PUBLIC AND IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT IS AN AMENITY THAT FUNCTIONS AND IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN, BUT, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS AN EVENT CENTER OF SOME SORT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND THAT IS THE FOCAL POINT ALONG WITH THAT TOWER THAT YOU CAN GET A SENSE THAT'S NOT REALLY PUBLIC, THAT IT'S SERVING A PURPOSE, ATTRACTING YOU ALL TO ONE PARTICULAR LOCATION.
SO, AND JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE, THE AMPHITHEATER IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, SO THE TOWER IS ACTUALLY SEPARATE.
SO IF YOU DID HAVE AN EVENT AT THE AMPHITHEATER, THE TOWER IS STILL ACCESSIBLE WITHOUT BEING SEPARATED.
SO JUST AS A CLARIFICATION, Y YOU KNOW, IT'S MAKING IT FEEL LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WALK ACROSS A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC THAT COME ALONG THE BRIDGE.
THE BRIDGE ENDED UP FUNCTIONING JUST THE WAY WE ENVISIONED AT IT FROM GETTING FROM ONE SIDE OF THE RIVER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER.
I THINK EVEN BETTER THAN STAFF THOUGHT IT WAS AN INITIALLY GONNA FUNCTION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WATCH LITTLE KIDS PLAY IN THE AREA AND THE POP POCKET PARKS THAT THEY'RE IN BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR AND IT HAS A NICE FAMILY CONNECTION ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
DESPITE HAVING, UH, A BUNCH OF SINGLE APARTMENT UNITS AND THAT ARE IN, IN THAT AREA, IT STILL CAN HAVE A VERY FAMILY FEEL IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
SO, UM, THAT HAS THE CONNECTION TO THE PARK ALONG THE RIVER, WHICH IS A PLUS TO THAT.
THIS IS ALL CENTRALLY WITH AN ENCLOSED WITHIN THIS DISTRICT WITH, AT A MOMENT, DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT HAS A CONNECTION TO WHAT'S OUTSIDE.
UM, THAT I DON'T SEE THAT BECOMING WALKABLE.
SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY FOCUSED WITHIN HERE.
I LIKE THE FEATURE THAT IS HERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT FEELS PUBLIC.
JUST ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE COMMISSION, UM, AS THE APPLICANT MOVES FORWARD AND AGAIN, STARTING TO DRAFT AND, UM, GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT TEXTS WOULD BE COMING NEXT.
I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION THE, THE WATER THAT'S THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY NICE FEATURE AND I LIKE THAT.
BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT YEAR ROUND TOO.
HOW BEST TO INCORPORATE THEN THAT YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA WALK DOWN THERE.
IF IT'S, IF IT, IF IT, UH, FREEZES IN THE WINTER, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THERE'S, THERE ARE PEOPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO, UH, PLAY HOCKEY AROUND THE AREA, SO THINGS OF THAT SORT.
ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, JUST THE KIND OF ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS, YOU MENTIONED IN 60 DAYS THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY IMPACTFUL TO HOW I PERSONALLY FEEL ABOUT THE PROJECT.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SEE WITH ALL THE RAPID GROWTH WE'VE GOT AROUND THERE, WHAT WE EXPECT.
UM, WE'VE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT BRIDGE PARK AND RUNNING THE COMPARISON.
I REALLY DON'T WANT THIS TO BE BRIDGE PARK TWO
UM, I, I ACTUALLY LIVE CLOSE TO THIS AND I, AS I SAID BEFORE, I DON'T WANT A FORTRESS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CORNFIELDS AND BRIDGE PARK TWO, WHICH IS JUST REDUNDANCY THAT WE DON'T NEED IN DUBLIN.
IT SHOULD BE UNIQUE, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
UM, I, WHAT, UM, MS. NEWELL'S BEEN SAYING ABOUT THE PUBLIC BEING INVITED INTO THAT PARK AREA IS VERY IMPORTANT AND IT'S JUST NOT ACCESS TO THE RETAIL, IT'S THE RETAIL MAY HELP
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ACTIVATE IT.UM, BUT MAKING SURE EVENTS ARE PLANNED AND THAT WE, NOT RUNNING THE COMPARISON TO BRIDGE PARK, BUT THAT THIS BE A LOCATION ON THE CITY'S LIST FOR ITS VARIOUS CITY EVENTS.
UM, THAT THERE'D BE THINGS SCHEDULED HERE.
YEAH, WE NEED PROBABLY ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH PARKS AND REC ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES.
WE HAVE TALKED, WE HAD, WE HAD SOME FUN, REALLY INTERESTING IDEAS FOR THAT.
UM, IT'S JUST HARD TO GET ALL OF THAT INTO THIS AT ONE TIME.
BUT YES, I THINK THAT'S CENTRAL SPACE AND THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WITH WORKING WITH PARKS AND REC CAN REALLY START TO ACTIVATE AND UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS.
YEAH, AND I, AND I LIKE JIMMY'S IDEA TOO OF REDUCING THE TRAFFIC, WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO GET RID OF STREETS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR US? UH, I THINK IT, IT, UM, TO KIND OF CHRIS'S POINT AND ALL THOSE QUESTIONS, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING, I THINK I'VE GOT A LIST OF A BUNCH OF WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE, WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS PROCESS AS A, AS A PDP IS THAT THESE AREN'T FINAL BUILDINGS,
SO UNTIL WE COME WITH FINAL, AND THE WAY WE'RE APPROACHING IT IS PHASE ONE, WE WOULD COME FOR FINAL ON PHASE ONE, NOT THE OVERALL FINAL MASTER PLAN.
LIKE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL FOR A FINAL.
SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE COME BACK WITH, UH, FOR A FINAL PDP CAN GET APPROVED AND THAT THERE MAY BE A LOT OF DETAILS AND THINGS THAT ARE GONNA COME IN THOSE FINALS TO GET TO THAT NEXT LEVEL.
THE STREET SCAPE, THE, THE PAVING, EXACT PAVING, THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF PHASE ONE.
IS IT GONNA BE, I JUST DON'T WANT TO HIT A ROADBLOCK OF TRYING TO GET ALL OF THAT DETAIL IN AND MAKING SURE THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH GETS YOU THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION ON THE FINAL PDP AND WITH THE QUESTIONS OF THE EXACT FACE OF THE BUILDING MIGHT BE PUSHED BACK, IT MIGHT NOT.
LIKE WE, SOME OF THAT WE MAY NOT KNOW UNTIL THE FINAL STAFF.
AND, AND THE PURPOSE OF THE PDP AND UM, REZONING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TAX IS TO ESTABLISH THOSE LIMITS AND GUARDRAILS WHICH DEVELOPMENT WILL OCCUR IN.
AND THE PDP BASICALLY DEMONSTRATES IT CAN BE DEVELOPED WITHIN THOSE GUIDE, WELL DEVELOPMENT, TEXT AND ZONING, MORE DETAILED FINAL LANDSCAPE, FINAL BUILDINGS ALL COME ALONG WITH THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
BUT THE PDP AND THE REZONING DEVELOPMENT TECHS WILL SET BASICALLY WHAT THE COMMISSION AND WHAT THE CITY IS COMFORTABLE WITH FOR THE APPLICANT THEN TO DEVELOP AND BRING FORTH PD F-D-P-F-D-P WITH DIFFERENT PHASES.
SO IT REALLY ESTABLISHES WHAT WE CAN DO OR WHAT WE CANNOT DO.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AS, AS WE PRESENT IT, AND I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY KICK OFF THE NEXT OR THE FINAL PRESENTATION THAT WAY, WHICH IS, AS AN OVERALL MASTER PLAN, THE INPUT THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US TODAY, WE'VE TAKEN IN AND INTEGRATED IN AS BEST WE CAN FOR THAT FINAL, UM, AND WORK FROM THERE.
AND THERE'LL BE ALSO A LOT MORE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.
AND I, I THINK, UM, MY HOPE IS WE CAN, NEXT TIME WE'RE IN FRONT OF YOU AT LEAST HAVE YOU, UH, WITH A DRAFT TEXT IN FRONT OF YOU, WHICH IS GONNA SET FORTH THE RULES AND MY ROLE IN THIS PROCESS.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PLANNING OR ARCHITECTURE, RIGHT.
BUT, UM, IS TO TRANSLATE WHAT I'VE HEARD AND PUT IT INTO RULES THAT GET YOU COMFORTABLE THAT, UM, THE END PRODUCT IS GONNA BE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
SO, UM, I THINK HOPEFULLY THAT WILL SHED SOME MORE COLOR ON, ON SOME OF THESE THINGS AND SETTING THE RULES THAT WE'LL BE LIVING BY AS WE COME THROUGH WITH INDIVIDUAL FINAL PLANS.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR NEXT STEPS.
I DO WANNA ADD, I DO WANNA ADD ONE, ONE COMMENT TOO, AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THIS TO GET MISSED IN THE BARRAGE OF QUESTIONS AND UM, BUT IT'S CLEAR YOU'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH STAFF AND THE DOCUMENTS YOU PROVIDED YOUR VISION FOR THE SPACE WAS, WELL VERY, I COMMEND IT.
IT WAS WELL ARTICULATED IN THIS AND IT WAS INCREDIBLY INSIGHTFUL AND HELPFUL AND WE JUST APPRECIATE THE EFFORT BY THE ENTIRE, I KNOW IT'S A MONUMENTAL EFFORT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS HEARD THAT.
I VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT.
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NEXT ON THE AGENDA, COMMUNICATIONS SPASM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.UH, ONE, AS WE PUT IN YOUR PACKET, THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL THAT HAS BEEN, WE ARE GONNA REGULARLY GIVE YOU, UH, COPIES OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS THAT WE DO ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
AND ONE THING THAT WE REALIZE IS THAT WE HAVE THOSE IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND WE ARE GONNA TRY TO STREAMLINE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE GO THROUGH THE YEAR.
SO THERE WAS ONLY ONE THAT WAS ACTUALLY PROCESSED.
THERE WERE SEVERAL ONES THAT, UH, ARE IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW.
UH, BUT HOPEFULLY I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH IT UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
BUT HOPEFULLY IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE LOOK AT AND HOW WE DETERMINE WHETHER IT FITS UNDER THE CATEGORY OF SOMETHING THAT COULD BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO, UH, I THINK MOVING FORWARD
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WHEN WE GET TO THE, UH, SECOND QUARTER REPORT WILL PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION IN TERMS OF, UH, MAYBE STATISTICS, UH, REMINDER OF WHAT COUNCIL, UH, CHANGED TO THE CODE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO ALLOW FOR MORE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS AND WHAT THOSE, UH, GUARD RAISES AND PARAMETERS ARE, AND WHETHER THAT HAS REDUCED THE LOAD FOR THIS COMMISSION TO A CERTAIN EXTENT OR NOT.BECAUSE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, WE NOTICE A VERY CLEAR REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS WITH, UH, WITH THE COMMISSION.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A GRAY LINE JUST BECAUSE MOST OF THE ONES THAT REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT REVIEW ARE STILL GONNA COME BACK TO YOU.
BUT, UH, UH, WOULD I HAVE ANOTHER ITEM? BUT IF, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, THE, OH, SORRY, I I DON'T HAVE A, WELL I HAVE, I HAVE A TOTALLY SEPARATE QUESTION, BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT TOPIC? UM, NOT THAT I WANNA STAY YOU LATER, BUT THE, THIS, THE, THE, UH, ISSUE OF HEIGHT VERSUS STORIES SEEMS TO BE CONTINUALLY COMING UP OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
IS THERE ANY TYPE OF ACTION WE CAN TAKE TO ADD SOME CLARIFICATION BETWEEN THAT? BECAUSE I, I, HE'S, HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WHAT HE SAID TODAY.
I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE A FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, 15 STORIES STORY TO STORY HEIGHT AND THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT HEIGHT THAN A SAME FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY A, A GRAY AREA THAT WE'RE FINDING KEEPS, KEEPS COMING UP ON OUR CHEST.
I I THINK MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THAT AS AN ITEM OF DISCUSSION.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT WAS VERY MUCH INTENTIONAL WITH THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT BECAUSE FOR THESE BUILDINGS TO FEEL, BECAUSE IT'S ALL BASED ON BUILDING TYPES, SO THE DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES AND THE FLOOR HEIGHTS VERSUS THE ACTUAL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, I THINK THE INTENT WAS NEVER TO SET A STAGE WHERE EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE IT TOOK A SAW AND CUT IT OFF.
AND SO IT WAS INTENDED TO BE ORGANIC WITH THESE, UH, DIFFERENT USES AND BUILDING TYPES.
AND YOU MAY RECALL WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, THERE ARE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD CATEGORIES AND WITHIN EACH NEIGHBORHOOD CATEGORY THERE ARE CERTAIN BUILDING TYPES THAT ARE PERMITTED.
AND WITHIN EACH ONE OF THOSE, THERE'S THOSE VARIATIONS.
SO, UH, SO THAT WAS VERY INTENTIONAL.
BUT I THINK WE COULD, SINCE THIS UH, COMES UP VERY FREQUENTLY, AS YOU MENTIONED, MAYBE DO A MORE OF A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AND, UH, ANALYSIS.
I THINK, UH, CHRIS HAS SOME THOUGHTS THERE AS WELL.
I MEAN, DEFINITELY THAT'S A CONCERN WE'VE HAD.
AND AGAIN, USING THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY TALK ABOUT HEIGHT 'CAUSE THAT'S SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC TO THE CASE WE JUST HEARD AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEXTS WE'LL USE, UM, FEET NOT NUMBER OF STORIES PARTICULARLY TOO.
SO WE CAN ADDRESS IT THROUGH THAT WAY.
AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD SEGUE TO THE OTHER THING THAT I WAS GONNA MENTION AND THAT IS A COUPLE, OH, SORRY.
WERE YOU GONNA CONTRIBUTE TO THAT? I, YEAH, GO.
CHRIS TOOK THE WORDS OUTTA MY MOUTH.
SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
WE, WE REDUCED ATTORNEY FEES FOR, UH, UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION, HILLARY AND KATHY WERE AT THAT WALKABILITY PRESENTATION THE OTHER NIGHT, AND, UH, I'D BE INTERESTED IN THEIR OPINIONS, BUT I'M GONNA, UH, WE ARE GONNA BE POSTING THAT WE RECORDED THAT.
AND SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO GO TO THAT, I THINK IT'S, UH, WORTH, UH, WATCHING THAT ONCE WE HAVE IT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THE, THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION ITSELF AS WELL.
I MEAN THE, THE POWERPOINT VERSION.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE, I THINK WE, UH, EXCUSE ME, NOTED THE, UH, BOOK, THAT'S THE, THE MOST FAMOUS BOOK HE WROTE, BUT THERE'S OTHER PUBLICATIONS THAT HE MENTIONED.
BUT IT GETS INTO WHAT'S WALKABLE AND HOW CARS INTERACT WITH PEDESTRIANS AND WHETHER YOU CUT OFF, CUT THAT OFF COMPLETELY OR WHETHER YOU ALLOW FOR THE VISIBILITY OF SOME OF THE RETAIL, BUT YOU HAVE THOSE OTHER SAFEGUARDS, UH, HEIGHTS OF BUILDINGS RELATIVE TO THE STREET WIDTH.
AND WHERE THAT ENCLOSURE HELPS, UH, GIVE YOU THE PERCEPTION THAT YOU NEED TO REDUCE SPEED VERSUS A SPEED LIMIT SIGN THAT MAY BE MEANINGLESS.
UH, THE ROLE OF TREES, THE ROLE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT, UH, I THINK WOULD BE WORTH TAKING A LOOK AT.
UM, AND IF WE DIDN'T MENTION IT BEFORE, THIS CONSULTANT IS HELPING US AT, UH, WITH STUDYING THE WESTBRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR AND ALSO SUPPORTING THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE BEFORE ABOUT EAST BRIDGE STREET SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT TURNING THAT FROM A 45 MILE PER HOUR HIGHWAY TO SOMETHING THAT'S A LOT MORE WALKABLE.
SO WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW HILLARY OR KATHY, IF YOU HAD ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION.
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IT WAS ENLIGHTENING AND, UM, I I'M SO HAPPY HE'S COMING BACK AND THAT WE CAN, UH, TOUR WITH HIM.I THINK IT'LL BE ALSO VERY IMPACTFUL TO, UH, WALK A STREET WITH HIM TOO.
I, I THOUGHT IT WAS FASCINATING.
IT WAS A LOT OF WHAT HE SAID WAS COUNTERINTUITIVE OR AT LEAST WHAT WE'RE NOT, WHAT WE'VE ALL BEEN TRAINED TO THINK IS NOT TRUE.
AND IT WAS BASED ON STUDIES THAT HE AND OTHERS HAVE DONE, WHICH JUST, IT, IT WAS REALLY FASCINATING.
I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO WATCH IT WHEN THEY POST IT.
I'M GONNA MAKE MY HUSBAND WATCH IT.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? AREN'T WE GLAD WE DIDN'T DO THIS LAST WEEK?