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AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S WEBSITE.
PLEASE JOIN ME NOW FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC WHERE WHICH IT STANDS.
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OKAY, MS. MAXWELL, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. ALEXANDER? HERE.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
OKAY.NOW I'D LIKE TO, UH, HAVE ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, WE HAVE THAT DAN'S NAME WAS MISSING FROM THE LAST MINUTES MEETING, LAST MEETING MINUTES.
SO MAKE A NOTE THAT WE NEED TO ADD THAT, AND THEN I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 12TH AND MARCH 19TH, 2026.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATTING A PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION AS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
OUR PROCEDURES TONIGHT WILL BE THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY THE STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE, ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD.
UNDER EACH APPLICATION, PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON THE MICROPHONE.
AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AND THERE IS A LIGHT UP THERE TO REMIND YOU OF THAT TIMEFRAME.
FOR THOSE OF THE AUDIENCE IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SIDE CONVERSATIONS, APPLAUSE, OR OTHER AUDIBLE REACTION TO PUBLIC COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS OF COMMISSIONERS, STAFF, OR APPLICANTS.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMISSIONERS CAN HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID ON THE RECORD AND THAT ALL HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
THIS PROTECTS THE PROCESS, WHICH IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CONCERNED.
SO NOW I'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN ANYBODY THAT, UM, WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY TONIGHT.
SO, UM, ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN.
IF YOU INTEND TO PLEASE STAND, UM, AT THIS TIME, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE WHEN I TO THIS STATEMENT.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOT NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? YES.
[Case #26-005AFDP]
UM, WE HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA, UH, TONIGHT.THERE IS ONE CASE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT AGENDA.
IT'S CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 0 0 5 A FDP, MOUNT CARMEL DUBLIN SIGNAGE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
DOES ANYONE WISH TO REMOVE THE CASE FROM THES CONSENT AGENDA? ANYONE
UM, OKAY, SO IS, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS CASE? SEEING NO TAKERS? I WILL NOW ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CAS CONSENT AGENDA.
[Case #26-010CP]
SO NOW WE'LL GO ON TO OUR OTHER CASES.OUR FIRST CASE IS NUMBER 26 DASH 0 1 0 CP, THE EMERALD PARKWAY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT PLAN, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THE 16 ACRE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED PCD THOMAS KOHLER AND IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND WARNER TEMPLE ROAD.
SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT UP FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
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ESTATE.UM, BANDT TRUST IS A NATIONALLY, PRIVATELY HELD REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.
WE HAVE SIX OFFICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING ONE HERE IN COLUMBUS.
UM, WE COME TO YOU FOR THE SECOND TIME ON THE EMERALD PARKWAY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I'M SORRY, CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLANNED.
UM, ZACH, YOU WANNA SLIDE DOWN FOR ME? UM, AT THE CORNER OF WARNER TEMPLE, UM, IN EMERALD.
THIS IS JUST WEST OF I TWO 70.
UM, WE LAST CAME TO YOU IN DECEMBER OF 2025 FOR YOUR FEEDBACK.
UM, SINCE THEN, WE HAVE TAKEN A STEP BACK FROM THE DESIGN PROCESS TRYING TO INCORPORATE THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE GIVEN AS WELL AS THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD IN DECEMBER.
UM, WE THINK THE RESULT IS A BETTER SITE PLAN OVERALL THAT WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH AND WE THINK IT'S HEADED TOWARDS THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, I'LL START BY SHARING THE UPDATED SITE PLAN, WALKING THROUGH OUR VISION FOR THE PROJECT, AND THEN, UM, CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THE CHANGES AS COMPARED TO THE LAST SUBMITTAL AND THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE PLANNING FOR 228 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THAT IS MADE UP OF TWO FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS EIGHT THREE STORY TOWN HOMES.
UM, THE TOWN HOMES ARE EACH TWO TO THREE BEDROOMS, UM, WOULD TUCK UNDER GARAGES IN EACH STRUCTURE.
WE'RE ALSO INCLUDING JUST SHY OF 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.
UM, THIS CAN BE OFFICE, RETAIL, RESTAURANT, UM, DAYCARE, MEDICAL, AND THAT IS MADE UP OF ONE INLINE PROPERTY AND THEN TWO OUT LOTS.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, OUR MAIN RESIDENTIAL ENTRANCE IS OFF OF EMERALD PARKWAY AT THE CENTER OF THE SITE.
IT'S INTENDED, UM, TO INVITE YOU INTO THE SITE AND THEN DEAD END AT THE CLUBHOUSE, IF YOU WILL, FOR AN INVITING FEATURE.
UM, THERE'S A RENDERING OF THE CLUBHOUSE IN TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
UM, THE CLUBHOUSE IS INTENDED TO RECEIVE RESIDENCE AND VISITORS OPERATING AS LEASING FITNESS COWORKING SPACE, AS WELL AS POOL AND OUTDOOR AMENITY SPACE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT WE HAVE CLUSTERS OF TOWN HOMES, UM, THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN HOW WE PRESENTED IT BEFORE.
UM, WE THINK THAT IT BRINGS THE DEVELOPMENT INWARD, UM, AS OPPOSED TO, ALTHOUGH IT'S PULLED UP TO THE STREET, NOT AS STREET FACING.
UM, WE HAVE THREE CLUSTERS, IF YOU WILL, TWO IN THE MIDDLE IN A U SHAPE, AND THEN ONE ON THE NORTHERN PORTION THAT HAS A MORE DIRECT ACCESS ROUTE, UM, ON PARKWOOD DRIVE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE RETAIL PROPERTIES ARE ALL PULLED, UM, TO THE WARNER TEMPLE, UH, STREET FACING SIDE AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF STAGGERED THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHERN PORTION.
UM, THIS CREATES THE DESIRED RETAIL COMMERCIAL CLUSTER THAT THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN CALLED FOR.
UM, AND THEN CONNECTING NORTH TO SOUTH, WE'RE SHOWING AN EXTENDED PRIVATE BOULEVARD.
UM, THIS IS INTENDED TO BE HEAVILY STREET SCAPED, UM, FOCUSING ON BOTH AUTOMOBILE AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH.
UM, YOU HAVE TWO CURB CUTS ON EMERALD PARKWAY AND THEN TO ON PARKWOOD, WE FEEL THE SOUTHEAST CURB CUT ON PARKWOOD DRIVE PAIRED WITH THE SOUTHERNMOST CURB CUT ON EMERALD, GIVES GOOD INTERNAL CIRCULATION, UM, FOR THE RETAIL SIDE OF THE SITE AS WELL AS AN OUTLET, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
UM, ONE THING WE HEARD IN DECEMBER IS THAT IT'S CHALLENGING TO UNDERSTAND THE SCALE OF THIS PROJECT AS COMPARED TO SURROUNDING AREAS.
AND HOW MIGHT THAT SCALE FIT IN.
UM, ZACH, IF YOU DON'T MIND FLIPPING FOR ME, SO I APOLOGIZE.
HERE'S THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.
SO WE TOOK A DEEPER DIVE AT HOW MIGHT THIS FIT IN IN THE BROADER AREA.
AND SO I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH AND AROUND THE SITE AS THOUGH YOU'RE SITTING IN A VEHICLE.
SO STARTING HERE, YOU'RE ON YOUR SOUTHWEST CORNER, UM, FACING NORTHEAST.
YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE ADDED A GATEWAY FEATURE ON THIS CORNER OF WARNER TEMPLE AND EMERALD, UM, WHICH WAS AS A RESULT OF THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED IN DECEMBER TO FOCUS ON THAT CORNER AS A MAIN ATTRACTION.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
SO WE HAVE ENHANCED OUR PERIMETER SETBACK AND SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING AS IT'S INTENDED TO BE THE PRIMARY LANDSCAPING FEATURE.
UM, IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, YOU CAN SEE IT ON ALL SIDES.
I'LL WALK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE MORE LATER ON.
UM, ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, YOU CAN SEE, UM, BY THE OUT LOT THERE.
SO THAT GREEN SPACE IS DESIGNED TO BE EITHER GREEN SPACE, IT CAN BE EXTENDED OUTDOOR SEATING FOR A RESTAURANT CONCEPT.
UM, IT'S FLEXIBLE HOW THAT COULD GO BASED ON THE USER THAT WE RECEIVE.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THERE'S ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED, AGAIN, THAT COULD BE EXTENDED OUTDOOR SEATING.
IT COULD BE ART, IT COULD BE, UM, A PUBLIC OUTSIDE SEATING FEATURE, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, WE'LL FOCUS IN ON THIS GATEWAY CORNER HERE.
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PREVIOUSLY, THIS CORNER SHOWED A DRIVE THROUGH AND WE HEARD THE COMMISSION LOUD AND CLEAR THAT THIS CORNER IS NOT INTENDED FOR THAT USE.IT NEEDS TO BE INVITING, IT NEEDS TO BE THE FRONT DOOR, UM, OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FIELD DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF SO COMMERCIAL, IF YOU WILL.
UM, SO STARTING HERE, I'M GONNA WORK NORTH ON EMERALD ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO THIS IS THE NEW DESIGN FOR THE TOWN HOME FEATURES.
AGAIN, ALONG EMERALD, YOU HAVE THOSE TWO U CLUSTERS.
UM, THEY ARE SET BACK ABOUT 42 FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, 60 FEET FROM THE CURB.
UM, EACH TOWN HOME DOES HAVE A FIRST FLOOR WALKOUT, BUT INSTEAD OF WALKING RIGHT OUT TO EMERALD PARKWAY, YOU HAVE THESE COMMUNAL PEDESTRIAN OUTLETS, UM, WITH THE MOUNDING IN FRONT OF THE TOWN HOME DIRECTLY.
WE THINK THIS PROVIDES PRIVACY FOR THE TOWN HOME RESIDENTS AS WELL AS MAYBE A MORE NATURAL TRANSITION FROM WHAT WAS ON THE WEST SIDE OR WHAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE.
UM, SO IT'S NOT AS GLARING OF OFFICE AND THEN RESIDENTIAL DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET TO EACH OTHER.
UM, IF YOU'LL KEEP GOING NORTH WITH ME, SO FLIPPING AROUND HERE, YOU'RE NOW LOOKING, UM, SOUTHWEST.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE TOWNHOMES IN THIS NORTHERN PORTION.
UM, I'LL GET TO THE CHANGE OF THAT AREA LATER, BUT THESE TOWNHOMES, I THINK WILL END UP BEING KIND OF YOUR PREMIER DESIRED HOME.
UM, THE MARKET HAS GIVEN US REALLY STRONG FEEDBACK ON IT.
IT'S PRIVATE, IT HAS ENHANCED NATURAL LANDSCAPING FEATURES.
UM, IT HAS MORE OF A PRIVATE ENTRANCE AS COMPARED TO KIND OF THE MAIN CLUSTER OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UM, AND THEN WORKING DOWN, YOU'LL SEE THE TWO FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY, UM, BUILDINGS.
AND IN THE MIDDLE WE'VE PULLED DOWN THE AMENITY SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS, UM, TO BE THE CORE OF THE SITE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT BEHIND THE CLUBHOUSE OR ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CLUBHOUSE, WE DO HAVE A POOL.
UM, NOW THAT THE POOL IS ON THE STREET SIDE, IF YOU WILL, IT'S HEAVILY LANDSCAPED.
THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE POOL POOL HOUSE ADJACENT TO THAT IS A COVERED STRUCTURE OF SOME SORT FOR PATIOS, GRILLS AND WHATNOT.
SO IF YOU'RE WALKING, DRIVING DOWN PARKWOOD, YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING INTO SOMEONE ENJOYING THE POOL ON A NICE DAY.
UM, WE'VE ALSO STILL INCLUDED TWO PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT ARE INTENDED TO BE PRIVATE FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT ADDS TO THE OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL, UM, FROM BOTH THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE AS WELL AS THE EXTERIOR.
AND THEN IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING TO THE NEXT FOR ME.
SO AS I SAID, WE'LL WALK THROUGH KIND OF SOME OF THE BIG CHANGES HERE.
UM, THE FIRST BEING, LIKE I SAID, WE INCREASED THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPING, UM, AND SCREENING AREA.
SO ON PARKWOOD WE'VE DOUBLED THAT SETBACK TO 60 FEET.
AND THEN ON EMERALD WE HAVE INCREASED IT FROM, I BELIEVE IT WAS AT 30 AND NOW IT IS AT 42 FEET SETBACK.
UM, WE HAVE ALSO REDUCED DENSITY IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND I KNOW FROM LOOKING AT IT, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE'VE ADDED STRUCTURES TO THE NORTH, BUT THE REWORK OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA WAS BASED ON A FEW THINGS.
THE FIRST BEING YOU CAN SEE WE PULLED THE AMENITIES IN THE CLUBHOUSE TO THE CORE OF THE SITE.
AND THAT CAME FROM P FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION WE RECEIVED IN DECEMBER THAT MAYBE OUR PREVIOUS PLAN HAD SCATTERED UNTHOUGHTFUL, SMALL GREEN SPACES THROUGHOUT.
UM, I THINK WHERE WE THOUGHT A PARK FEATURE ON THE NORTHERN PORTION WOULD BE A GREAT AMENITY, OTHERS FELT THAT MAYBE IT WAS INACTIVATED OR AN UNDESIGNED PORTION OF THE SITE AND ENCOURAGED US TO REVIEW ACTIVATING IT AS A SPECIAL AREA PLAN SHOWS.
UM, SO WE'VE DONE JUST THAT WITH THE TOWNHOMES.
LIKE I'VE DISCUSSED, WE'VE PULLED IN THE CLUBHOUSE FEATURE AND THEN WE'VE ALSO ELIMINATED THE THIRD SOUTHEAST FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE.
WE HEARD FROM YOU ALL THAT IT MIGHT NOT INTERACT WITH THE RETAIL CLUSTER WELL IN TERMS OF PARKING CIRCULATION AS A RESIDENT, DO YOU WANNA LIVE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO, UM, THAT OUTLAW ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER RIGHT THERE? AND SO BY DOING SO, I ACTUALLY DO THINK THAT THE PARKING WORKS A LOT BETTER BETWEEN THE TWO USES.
UM, IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR A CLEANER ACCESS POINT TO THAT SOUTHEAST RETAIL OUT LOT.
UM, THAT WAS ANOTHER COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED.
AND THEN AS DISCUSSED, WE HAVE TURNED THE TOWN HOMES IN INSTEAD OF HAVING A ROW ON EMERALD HERE.
UM, WE DID THAT FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
ONE IS I THINK IT ORGANIZES THE TOWN HOMES IN MAYBE A MORE THOUGHTFUL WAY THAN WE DID BEFORE.
UM, WE HEARD THAT THE MIDDLE TOWN HOMES MAYBE DIDN'T MAKE SENSE WITH THE GRID OF THE SITE.
OVERALL, THE DEVELOPMENT OVERALL, I ALSO THINK IT CONTAINS THE PARKING FOR THOSE TOWN HOMES.
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UM, EACH TOWN HOME DOES HAVE A TUCK UNDER GARAGE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES IF THERE'S VISITORS OR ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT WANNA ENTER INTO THE TOWN HOME.UM, AND THEN IN DOING ALL THAT, IT ALLOWED US TO CREATE THIS LONG PRIVATE BOULEVARD THAT CONNECTS THE SITE NORTH TO SOUTH.
UM, STREETSCAPING IS A FEATURE THAT'S DISCUSSED MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, AND I THINK THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE A REALLY INTENTIONAL FEATURE THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT.
UM, THE STAFF ORIGINALLY TASKED US WITH THESE EAST WEST CONNECTOR ROADS, UM, THAT WE SHOWED IN THE FIRST PLAN.
AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT IN DOING SO THIS WAY IT ACHIEVES A MORE THOUGHTFUL, UM, CONNECTION POINT THROUGHOUT THE SITE, UM, AND ALLOWS FOR MORE NATURAL CIRCULATION IN AND AROUND THE SITE.
UM, I DO THINK YOU STILL HAVE ACCESS POINTS TO GO FROM EAST TO WEST.
UM, OBVIOUSLY YOUR AUTO POINTS AREN'T AS DIRECT AS THEY WERE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE GOOD CONNECTIVITY FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT.
UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE SP HAVE SPOKEN WITH ZACH ABOUT THAT WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO ENHANCING THAT FEATURE AS WELL.
UM, WE'VE ALSO REDESIGNED, AS I SAID, THE RETAIL PORTION.
UM, IN DOING SO, WE ELIMINATED THE ONE DRIVE-THROUGH.
WE'RE STILL SHOWING A DRIVE-THROUGH, UM, ON THAT EAST SIDE OF THE INLINE BUILDING.
WE STILL THINK THAT THE MARKET DEMANDS A DRIVE THROUGH TO ATTRACT QUALITY TENANTS.
UM, AND THE INTENTION BEHIND THE RETAIL CENTER CLUSTER, IF YOU WILL, IS TO BE AN AMENITY FOR THE SURROUNDING OFFICE AREA.
WE HAVE HEARD FROM BROKERS IN MULTIPLE POTENTIAL PROSPECTS IN THE AREA THAT THERE'S JUST CERTAINLY NOT ENOUGH AMENITIES FOR US TO VIEW THIS AS A PREMIER SUBURBAN OFFICE OPTION.
THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE WALKABLE, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES TO DO.
AND WE THINK THAT THIS DESIGN ALLOWS US TO BRING IN THOSE QUALITY TENANTS THAT YOUR OFFICE TENANTS ALREADY THERE ARE LOOKING FOR.
UM, ONE THING YOU'LL SEE THAT ISN'T INCORPORATED IS A SIGNATURE TRAIL ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY.
UM, WHILE WE DON'T HAVE IT INCORPORATED HERE, THE SIGNATURE TRAIL RECOMMENDS 33 FEET FROM THE CURB AS A SETBACK.
WE'RE ACTUALLY 60 FEET FROM THE CURB RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO INTEGRATING IT WITH OUR PLANS.
I THINK IT ADDS TO OUR DEVELOPMENT, IT ADDS TO THE AREA.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF AND YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND THE BEST WAY TO INCORPORATE IT, WHETHER IT'S AN INTEGRATED RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TOWN HOMES, WHETHER YOU STILL WANT THE TOWN HOMES SCREENED AND KIND OF PULLED BACK FROM IT.
WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT BOTH OPTIONS.
UM, ANOTHER COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED AND THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT QUITE A BIT IN DECEMBER WAS THE TREE LINE THAT RUNS NORTH TO SOUTH, UM, THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
SO WE HAVE COMPLETED A FULL TREE STUDY AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ARE PRESERVING THE GEORGE GEARY RUN TREE CLUSTER TO THE NORTH.
UM, A SMALL CLUSTER OF TREES NORTH OF THAT.
AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE CENTER OF THE SITE AS WE CAN, WE ARE SAVING AS MANY TREES AS WE CAN WHILE PRESERVING ALL OF THEM, UM, THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO ON THE PERIMETER.
AND SO THE NEXT STEP IN THAT IS TO ENGAGE AN ARBORIST TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION AND DESIRABILITY OF THE TREES THAT ARE ON SITE.
AND THEN FINALLY TO UNDERSTAND WILL THOSE TREES SURVIVE ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT WHATSOEVER.
UM, ONE AREA OF CONCERN IS IF YOU SEE, UM, I'LL REFER TO OUR MOST RECENT PLAN, THE TREE LINE THAT'S ALONG THE NORTHERN FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDING THERE, THAT GRADE IS ELEVATED AS COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE SITE WHERE THE TREES ARE.
AND IN OUR OPINION, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO BRING UP THE REST OF THE SITE TO MATCH THOSE TREES, UM, TO SAVE THEM.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FEASIBLE TO BASE THE DEVELOPMENT OFF OF THAT.
UM, I CERTAINLY THINK THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO FIND WAYS TO SAVE TREES, UM, ON THE SOUTHERNMOST PORTION OF THAT TREE LINE, UM, AND INCORPORATE IT INTO OUR PARKING DESIGN.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL STUDYING.
UM, WE THINK IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE TO ENGAGE AN ARBORIST, UM, AS WE GET FURTHER ALONG IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON AND WE'RE BEING TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL IN HOW WE TACKLE IT.
UM, I'VE ALSO INCLUDED UPDATED RENDERINGS OF EACH OF THE PRODUCTS.
UM, THEY'RE LARGELY THE SAME AS WHAT WE WERE BEFORE ON THE TOWN HOMES.
WE HEARD THAT THE PEAK STRUCTURE, WHICH WE FELT ADDED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL, UM, WAS MAYBE TOO FAR RESIDENTIAL, UM, FOR A COMMERCIAL AREA.
AND AS COMPARED TO THE OFFICE SIDE.
SO WE'VE REDESIGNED THE TOWN HOMES, UM, STILL USING SOFT, NATURAL FEATURES THAT WE THINK FITS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS,
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UM, BUT MAYBE IS NOT SO RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE WITH THE PEAKED TA PEAKED ROOFS THAT LOOK LIKE A HOME.UM, ON THE FOUR STORY BUILDING, UM, THIS IS LARGELY THE SAME.
SO WE HAVE BALCONIES SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT.
IT'S ALSO INTENDED THAT FIRST FLOOR RESIDENTS HAVE A BALCONY AND CAN WALK OUT TO THE GREEN SPACE.
THAT IS CERTAINLY CONSIDERED IN THE 60 FOOT SETBACK ON PARKWOOD.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED A RENDERING OF THE CLUBHOUSE.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A LANDING POINT FOR VISITORS IN THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION AND THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL, THAT WHEN YOU ENTERED YOUR, YOUR GREETED WITH THIS INVITING STRUCTURE, UM, THAT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE YOU'VE ENTERED INTO MAYBE A, A PRIVATE AREA THAT YOU DON'T BELONG.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A RENDERING OF THE RETAIL INLINE PORTION, WHICH AGAIN USES NATURAL MATERIALS, UM, AND LIGHTER COLORS TO KIND OF FIT WITH WHAT IS ELSE IN THE AREA ALREADY.
UM, WE CERTAINLY FEEL LIKE THIS PLAN IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE DELIVERED IN DECEMBER.
UM, WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF THE DIALOGUE THAT WE HAD BEFORE.
'CAUSE I THINK IT BROUGHT US TO A MORE NATURAL FUNCTIONAL DESIGN.
UM, I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH TO CONTINUE THIS, UM, BUT AM ANXIOUS TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS AND, UM, HOPEFUL TO HAVE A PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION.
MR. HOUNSELL STAFF PRESENTATION.
UH, I WILL GO OVER, UH, SOME OF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION, SOME OF THE CITY'S PLANS AND POLICIES, UM, AND DID A GREAT JOB OF, UH, EXPLAINING THE PROJECT AND A LOT OF THE UPDATES.
SO I'LL TRY NOT TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THOSE SO WE CAN GET TO QUESTIONS.
UH, BUT THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN.
THE SECOND CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S BEEN BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING VERY HIGH LEVEL, LOOKING FOR NON-BINDING FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AND REALLY LOOKING AT LAND USE AND DENSITIES.
UH, GENERAL SITE LAYOUT WHERE STREETS AND CIRCULATIONS LOCATED THE GENERAL OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK, UM, HOW USES ARE, ARE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE SITE, AND THEN HOW IT INTEGRATES WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO THOSE ARE THE KEY, I'LL SAY, BUCKETS THAT WE REALLY LOOK FOR WHEN IT COMES TO A CONCEPT PLAN.
UH, THE SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON YOUR SCREEN.
THIS SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 16 ACRES IN SIZE, UM, AND BOUND BY PARKWOOD PLACE, EMERALD PARKWAY IN WARNER TEMPLE ROAD.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED PC PCD FOR A PLANNED DISTRICT WITHIN THE THOMAS KOHLER DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE SITE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE HERE, UM, SOME OF THE PHOTOS, WHICH I BELIEVE WERE TAKEN WITH THE LAST APPLICATION.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A NUMBER OF MATURE TREES THAT ARE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UH, THERE IS THE DITCH THAT RUNS THROUGH THE NORTHERN PORTION.
UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE SITE IS RELATIVELY FLAT.
SO BACK IN DECEMBER, UH, AS STATED, THIS WENT BEFORE, THIS CAME BEFORE THE, UH, COMMISSION AS A CONCEPT PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED LAYOUT AT THE TIME HERE ON THE LEFT, UH, TO HIGHLIGHT OR SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED FROM THE COMMISSION.
UH, GENERALLY THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CONCENTRATION AND BALANCE OF USES ON THE SITE, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT RESIDENTIAL.
UH, SOMETHING THAT ALSO PLAYED INTO THAT WAS A DISCUSSION ON WHETHER OR NOT RESIDENTIAL WAS APPROPRIATE ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, UH, BASED ON THE EXISTING, UH, COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE CHARACTER ALONG THE STREET.
UM, THERE WERE ALSO RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF WARNER TEMPLE ROAD AND EMERALD PARKWAY AS A GATEWAY LOCATION AND NOT SEEING A, A DRIVE THROUGH FACILITY AT THAT INTERSECTION.
UH, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES AND HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT ANY OF THE WALKABILITY STANDARDS AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY.
UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRESERVATION OF TREES ON THE SITE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO REPLICATE THE MOUNDING AND LANDSCAPING SETBACK THAT WE HAVE ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE OR ON OF THE STREET.
UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE AND HOW IT SHOULD BE MORE INTEGRATED THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
AND THEN THERE WAS GENERAL SUPPORT AS WELL FOR THE ARCHITECTURE IN THE GENERAL SITE LAYOUT OF THE BUILDINGS AND STREETS AS THEY WERE GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS SHOWN IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
SO THE COMMUNITY PLAN CALLS OUT THIS SITE AS A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THIS IS INTENDED TO BE REALLY NEIGHBORHOOD FOCUSED, UH, MIXED USE AREAS THAT ARE PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE CHARACTERISTICS ON HERE, BUT THIS SITE IS ALSO LOCATED WITHIN THE EMERALD CORRIDOR SPECIAL AREA PLAN, WHICH TAKES SOME OF THESE FUTURE LAND USE, UH, CHARACTERISTICS AND EXPANDS MORE SPECIFICALLY AND WHAT COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS AREA.
AND THEN THIS SITE, UH, SO THIS IS LISTED
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AT AS THE PARKWOOD MIXED USE RECOMMENDATION.IT DOESN'T TAKE JUST THIS SITE.
IT TAKES, UM, A LOT OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS ALONG TWO 70 AS WELL AND PROVIDES, UH, REALLY A CONCEPT OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE BASED ON OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT DOES NOT NEED TO LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS.
THIS IS TO GIVE A VISUAL OF, UM, HOW THE CITY COULD SEE THIS ENVISIONING.
UH, SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE PLAN CALL FOR A MIX OF USES TO INCLUDE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE, OFFICE RESIDENTIAL USES AND SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL.
UM, IT DOES CALL FOR SHARED PARKING TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDINGS AND A TRANSITION IN BUILDING MASSING AND HEIGHT AS YOU MOVE FROM EMERALD PARKWAY.
UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ONE TO TWO STORIES ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY WITH A MAX OF FOUR STORIES ALONG PARKWOOD PLACE.
IT ALSO CALLS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF EXISTING TREE STANDS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE BY THE NUMBER TWO.
AND THOSE RUN NORTH SOUTH ON THE SITE, BUT ALSO WITHIN THE DITCH, UH, MAINTAINING THE GREEN CHARACTER ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, THAT THERE'D BE A GATEWAY LANDSCAPE AND BUILDING FEATURE AT THE INTERSECTION OF EMERALD AND WARNER TEMPLE AND THAT WE WOULD BE ACTIVATING PARKWOOD PLACE.
SO THESE ARE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY PLAN THAT WOULD APPLY TO THIS SITE IN THIS AREA.
UM, AS ANNA HAD MENTIONED, THE CITY RECENTLY ADOPTED THE SIGNATURE TRAIL STUDY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE ADOPTED CONCEPT LAYOUT AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, AND THIS IS A SHARED USE PATH THAT WOULD EXTEND FROM THE FURTHEST WEST PORTION OF THE CITY TO THE FURTHEST EAST.
SO, UH, TRYING TO REACH A LOT OF THE CITY AND THERE'S DIFFERENT LEGS OF THIS AND LOOPS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS.
AND THE METRO AREA IN THE EMERALD PARKWAY CORRIDOR IS CONSIDERED FOR A POTENTIAL LOOP WITH THIS TRAIL.
UH, SO THE SPECIFIC SECTION THAT'S CALLED OUT IN THE PLAN IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN AT THE BOTTOM.
UH, IT FITS WITHIN THE SUBURBAN NEW DEVELOPMENT SECTION.
UM, AND IT'S SHOWN ON THE EAST SIDE OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND THE NORTH SIDE OF WARNER TEMPLE.
UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO WORK WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT ON WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED, UH, WE CERTAINLY WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S RIGHT OF WAY AVAILABLE FOR THIS.
AND AS IT WAS STATED, THERE IS RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT A 60 FOOT BUFFER ON BOTH OF THOSE STREETS.
UM, VERY QUICKLY, THE PRIMARY UPDATES THAT WERE OUTLINED THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, YOU CAN SEE THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT AND THE CURRENT CONCEPT ON THE SCREEN.
UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF UPDATE TO THE SITE LAYOUT, REMOVAL OF SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, THE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS, AND THEN THE ADDITION OF THEM AT THE NORTHERN POINT, WHICH DID REMOVE THE STORMWATER POND.
UH, THE REMOVAL OF THE DIRECT EAST TO WEST STREETS, WHICH WERE PRIVATE AND WOULD BE PRIVATE.
UM, CONNECTING EMERALD PARKWAY TO PARKWOOD PLACE, THE REMOVAL OF ONE OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES AND THEN INCREASING THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERING ALONG PUBLIC STREETS.
AND THEN I WILL NOT TOUCH INTO THESE AS THOSE WERE DESCRIBED AS WELL.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, EACH OF THE, THE CONCEPTUAL ARCHITECTURE AND MASSING, UH, RENDERINGS PROVIDED ON THE SCREEN.
SO THE QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER TONIGHT, UM, ARE BASED AROUND THESE FOUR CATEGORIES.
DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE GENERAL LAYOUT OF THE SITE AS IT HAS CHANGED SINCE THE PREVIOUS, UH, ITERATION? DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE DISTRIBUTION OF USES ON THE SITE? AND WE WOULD BE LOOKING AS WELL AT RESIDENTIAL ALONG, UH, EMERALD PARKWAY AS THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION BEFORE.
DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE CONCEPTUAL ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER IN MASSING? UM, IT'S GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS PROVIDED BEFORE, BUT SOME OF THE, UH, THE CHARACTER HAVE SLIGHTLY CHANGED.
DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE PROPOSED, UH, OPEN SPACE NETWORK AS THAT HAS ALSO BEEN UPDATED, ESPECIALLY WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE PARK AND STORMWATER, UH, BASIN AT THE NORTHERN POINT OF THE SITE? AND THEN ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS? HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, OKAY, AT THIS POINT I'M GONNA OPEN UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO THE APPLICANT WHY THREE STORIES ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY WHEN THE PLAN SPECIFICALLY SAYS ONE STORY? UM, SO THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN ACTUALLY CALLS OUT ONE TO TWO STORY OF COMMERCIAL.
UM, IT IS ACTUALLY ONLY SIX FEET HIGHER THAN THE TWO STORY OFFICE FROM ACROSS THE ROAD.
A THREE STORY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, UM, IS TO SCALE DIFFERENTLY THAN AN OFFICE COMPONENT.
UM, THE THREE STORIES HELPS US ACHIEVE ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY FOR THE PROJECT OVERALL.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A BALANCE OF
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WE NEED TO HIT A CERTAIN UNIT COUNT, UNIT COUNT, UM, FOR THE PROJECT TO BE FEASIBLE FOR THE DEVELOPER.UM, THE PARK THAT WAS AT THE NORTH END, I FEEL THE LOSS OF THAT.
AND I'M, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU, AND THE DITCH IS STILL THERE AND YOU'RE PRESERVING THE TREES THAT ARE THERE, BUT TO CREATE SOME SORT OF PUBLIC PARK AREA THAT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN JUST A CREEK RUN? SURE.
UM, SO THE, THE DITCH THAT'S SAVED RIGHT NOW, UM, IT'S NO LONGER A STREAM.
SO IT DOES NOT HAVE THE A HUNDRED FOOT STREAM BUFFER.
THAT WAS, UM, A POINT OF QUESTION BACK IN DECEMBER.
SO IT'S JUST A LINE OF TREES, UM, AS IT STANDS TODAY.
AND SO WE FELT THAT THE PARK ON THE NORTHERN PORTION WAS MAYBE NOT RECEIVED WELL BY THE GROUP, UM, THAT THE SITE SHOULD BE ACTIVATED INSTEAD.
UM, SO THAT IS WHAT DROVE THE ELIMINATION OF THAT FEATURE.
IN ADDITION, WE REMOVED ONE FOUR STORY STRUCTURE.
UM, SO CERTAINLY THE ADDITION OF THE TWO TOWNHOME STRUCTURES DOES HELP ALLOW US TO GET BACK UP TO A FEASIBLE UNIT COUNT.
UM, WE ARE STILL ABOUT 20 UNITS LOWER AND 20,000 UH, SQUARE FEET LOWER ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
SO WE ARE REDUCING DENSITY, BUT THAT IS WHAT DROVE THE ELIMINATION OF IT.
I'M GONNA PASS IT ON TO THE NEXT PERSON.
THANK YOU MR. CHINOOK, THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATES.
YOU PRESENTED THE DIFFERENCES.
IT'S ALWAYS NICE FOR US TO RECALL.
UM, AND I THINK THE, LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, I THINK YOU'VE MOVED IN A, IN A GREAT DIRECTION.
THE, UM, ONE, ONE QUESTION I HAD WAS ON THE, KIND OF RELATED TO THE, WELL ACTUALLY LEMME ASK AN EASY QUESTION.
SO THE TOWN, THE TOWN HOMES THAT ARE THREE STORIES, YOU SAID THEY HAVE PARKING UNDERNEATH, CORRECT? YES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT.
AND THEN ALONG THE SAME LINES OF PARKING, UM, YOU'VE ADDED A LOT OF PARKING TO THE SOUTH TO SUPPORT THE, UM, RETAIL.
IS THAT I, MAYBE IT'S STAFF, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IS THAT, ARE WE OVER PARKED OR IS THAT WHERE, WHERE ARE WE AT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS VERSUS WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING, I GUESS IS A QUESTION? NO, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT ON WITH PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THE RETAIL PERSPECTIVE WE ARE PARKED, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S 10 PER 10,000.
AND SO WE ARE ACTUALLY JUST FIVE SPACES OVER WHAT THAT FIGURE WOULD BE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S IT'S A MARKET RATIO.
UM, PREVIOUSLY YOU DID HAVE SHARED PARKING BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE RETAIL ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION.
UM, FEEDBACK WE GOT AND WHEN WE WENT HOME TO THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, A FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY HOME MIGHT NOT PARK SHARE PARKING WELL WITH A RESTAURANT ADJACENT, IT HAS SAME PEAK EVENING HOURS POTENTIALLY.
WE HAVE ADDED PARKING, IT'S NOT OVER PARKED.
UM, AND THEN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING, I ACTUALLY THINK THE WAY WE HAVE IT NOW WITH THE PRIVATE BOULEVARD CUTTING THROUGH, IT SEEMS A LITTLE MORE BROKEN UP RATHER THAN A SEA OF PARKING TO SUPPORT A SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT.
SO THEN IS YOUR PARKING ACCOUNT ON THE RESIDENTIAL THE SAME? ARE YOU YES, IT'S THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE.
UM, WE'RE AT ONE PER UNIT FOR ONE BED AND STUDIO ONE AND A HALF FOR TWO BEDS.
AND THEN THE TOWN HOMES ARE TWO PER UNIT.
AND THAT'S MADE UP BETWEEN GARAGE AND SURFACE.
SO PART OF THAT IS PART OF THE LOSS OF THE PARK IS TO TRY TO, I GUESS WE NEED MORE PARKING, UM, OR LOST THE GREEN SPACES TO ACHIEVE THAT PARKING.
MR. CHIN, CAN I JUST SURE JUMP IN HERE.
JUST CLARIFY THE PARKING ON THE RETAIL, COULD YOU JUST RESTATE THAT AGAIN? YES.
IT'S PARKED AT 10 PER 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY 10 PER THOUSAND.
I GUESS IT SAYS TO ZERO IN HERE
I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT IN THE RECORD.
THE OTHER QUESTION IS ON THE BALANCE OF USES, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST TIME WAS, UM, MORE INTEGRATION OF TRUE RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, IN A TRUE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL MIXED WITH RETAIL RESTAURANT, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
I GUESS CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR THINKING ALONG THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'VE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY MOVED THE NEEDLE IN TERMS OF THE, THE THE BALANCE OF USES.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? SURE.
UM, THE SITE ITSELF IS OBVIOUSLY CONSTRAINED TO BE A CERTAIN SIZE.
YOU OBVIOUSLY NEED TO HIT CERTAIN METRICS ON BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND RETAIL TO BE FEASIBLE.
UM, AND IT IS A BALANCE OF WHAT WORKS WELL TOGETHER.
WE DEFAULTED TO THE SPECIAL AREA
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PLAN CALLS FOR A RETAIL CLUSTER AND WE THOUGHT THE FEEDBACK WAS TO PULL THOSE RETAIL BUILDINGS UP AGAINST THE ROAD WITH THE SHARED PARKING IN THE REAR.SO IT DOES LOOK LIKE WE'VE PULLED THE RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL SPACE AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THOSE REASONS.
AND THEN FRANKLY WE STRUGGLED WITH THE FOUR STORY BUILDING BEING AT THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE GOING INTO THE DECEMBER DISCUSSION.
UM, JUST HOW THAT CIRCULATES AND FLOWS NATURALLY.
I ACTUALLY THINK YOU NEED TO ADD QUITE A BIT MORE PARKING DOWN ON THAT SOUTHERN PORTION IF YOU ADD IN ANOTHER RES RE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING DOWN THERE.
UM, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON ADDING OFFICE BUILDINGS TO THE EMERALD SIDE.
UM, I'M CERTAIN I'M NOT THE FIRST PERSON TO TELL YOU THIS IN RECENT HISTORY, BUT WE STRUGGLE WITH THE MARKET FOR BUILDING NEW OFFICE.
UM, EVEN IF IT IS CONDOED OFFICE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS DOING WELL RIGHT NOW, IF WE WERE TO BUILD BRAND NEW CONDOED OFFICE COMPARED TO THE RENTS THAT THEY'RE GETTING ACROSS THE STREET, I TRULY THINK WE'D HAVE A HARD TIME FILLING IT.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH EITHER VACANT OFFICE PRODUCT OR UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT WE'RE WAITING, UM, FOR AN OFFICE PROSPECT TO COME TO US TO DEVELOP.
SO I THINK PLACING THE TOWN HOMES THERE, IT STILL ACHIEVES A STEP UP FEATURE TO THE LAR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, BUT I THINK IT ALLOWS YOU TO ACTIVATE THE WHOLE SITE RIGHT AWAY, WHICH I DO THINK IS A GOAL OF THE PROJECT.
AND THEN ACT, SO DOING ANY KIND OF FIRST FLOOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL RETAIL BELOW THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS WAS OUT OF THE, I MEAN PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S CHALLENGING TO DO IN PRACTICE.
UM, YOU HAVE SMELL ISSUES, ODOR ISSUES, UM, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES WITH MAYBE FOOD GRADE OR SOMETHING.
UM, WE ALSO HEARD THAT IN THIS NODS TO THE PUBLIC PARK REMOVAL THAT MAYBE WE MADE THIS TOO PUBLIC AND THAT IT WASN'T PRIVATE AND SECURE ENOUGH FOR THE RESIDENCES.
SO IT'S A HARD BALANCE OF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO BE SECURE AND SAFE FOR, UM, THE RESIDENTS.
AND, AND THAT WAS FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED.
BUT THEN IF YOU ADD IN RETAILER COMMERCIAL UNDERNEATH THAT, THAT THAT'S KIND OF CONTRADICTING.
AND SO I THINK IT FUNCTIONS BEST AS SEPARATE INSTEAD OF VERTICALLY INTEGRATED.
UM, A QUICK QUESTION FOR, UH, STAFF THE PARK TO, WE, THIS CAME UP THE ENVISION IN THE LAST MEETING.
ENVISION DUBLIN HAS THE, UM, PARK SPACE TO THE EAST OR THAT ACTIVE THAT SPACE TO THE EAST.
AND AS WE REVIEW THIS, THIS PLAN, UM, HOW DO WE CONSIDER THAT? IS THAT AGNOSTIC OF THIS, THIS REVIEW OR WHERE, WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? UM, I GUESS THAT THAT PARCEL, SO THAT PARCEL IS NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, NOR AM I AWARE OF ANY DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS WITH THAT.
UM, HOWEVER, THE REVIEW OF THIS SITE SHOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER WHAT IS PLANNED IN THE FUTURE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREAS OR WHAT'S EXISTING OUT THERE.
MS. TARTER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
ALSO, I, I APPRECIATE THE PLANS.
UM, YOU HAD A LOT OF ARROWS TO THINGS AND THAT'S CLARIFYING IT AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
UM, AND THANKS AGAIN FOR BEING HERE AND I'M TAKING NOTE OF THE CHANGES AND SO FORTH.
UM, SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS TONIGHT ARE HELPFUL, BUT I AM TRYING TO, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT, I'M THINKING ONE DIRECTION AND YOU'RE MENTIONING ANOTHER DIRECTION THAT I SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THIS PIECE AS SOMETHING MORE INTERNAL.
UH, YOU'RE MENTIONING NOW SAFETY AND UM, KIND OF, UH, THE AMENITIES NOT THAT ANYONE CAN SEE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TONIGHT? UM, SO I THINK THE DIRECTION WAS WE HAD THIS SPRINKLED GREEN SPACE THROUGHOUT MM-HMM
THAT DID NOT COME ACROSS AS INTENTIONAL GREEN SPACE.
UM, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT SECURITY ON THE NORTHERN PARK AS IT RELATED TO THE AMENITY SPACE FOR, UM, THE RESIDENTS.
THERE WAS ALSO A WANT TO BRING THE, THE AMENITY SPACE TO THE CORE OF THE PROJECT TO ACHIEVE A CERTAIN EXPERIENCE OR ENVIRONMENT.
WHEN I DISCUSSED KIND OF KEEPING IT INWARD, MAYBE THAT WASN'T THE APPROPRIATE WORD, I THINK THAT TURNING THE TOWN HOMES IN THIS U SHAPE AS A CLUSTER CONTAINS IT A LITTLE BETTER.
UM, AND IT WAS ALSO A RESPONSE TO NOT HAVING THIS ROW OF HOMES, IF YOU WILL, ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY.
I THINK IT MAYBE MATCHES THE WESTERN SIDE BETTER.
UM, AND WHEN I SAY INTERNAL AS WELL, I THINK, I MEAN, UM, PULLING THE RETAIL CLUSTER TO THE ROAD AS WAS SUGGESTED IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN AND KEEPING THE SHARED PARKING IN THE REAR.
SO WHEN YOU'VE TURNED IN THE TOWN
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HOMES YES.IS THAT GONNA GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY? I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING RIGHT THERE TO INTERACT TOGETHER.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT YOU CAN BRING FORWARD ON THAT END? 'CAUSE IF YOU ARE BRINGING 'EM IN, I CAN SEE THAT AROUND TOWN, LOTS OF DIFFERENT PLACES.
BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHAT SPECIAL.
ANY THOUGHT WITHIN THE INTERNAL SIDE TO THAT? ZACH, WOULD YOU MIND PULLING UP THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY SLIDE FROM OURS? THANK YOU.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE EXISTING AND PRO PROPOSED PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION, WE ARE STILL CONNECTING THE CLUSTERS TO THE MAIN PRIVATE BOULEVARD FROM BOTH A PEDESTRIAN AND AN AUTO PERSPECTIVE.
UM, TURNING IT IN, I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ON ORGANIZATION OF PARKING OF WHAT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GO TO THE TOWN HOME THAT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO A TUCK UNDER A GARAGE.
SO THAT IS WHY WE ADDED MORE SPACES DOWN THERE.
UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF SQUARES OFF THE CLUSTER IF YOU WILL, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE SITE, THE SITE STILL ALLOWS FOR A, A RESIDENT IN A TOWN HOME TO WALK AND ENJOY THE TREE CLUSTER.
AND WE'VE DISCUSSED DO YOU MAKE THAT MORE OF A TRAIL AND EXPERIENTIAL THING? I THINK IT ALLOWS THEM TO STILL WALK UP, WALK ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD TO THE RETAIL PORTION AS WELL.
WELL, 'CAUSE I'M ALSO LOOKING FOR IF YOU'RE CLUSTERING 'EM ON THAT SIDE, THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST ALWAYS JUST GOING THEIR CARS AND LEAVING THAT MAYBE THEY HAVE A CONNECTION WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS THERE IF WE'RE GONNA USE IT THAT WAY.
CAN YOU CONNECT SOME NEIGHBORS TOGETHER? SURE.
I THINK AN ELEMENT FROM OUR LAST PLAN WAS SMALLER AMENITY SPACES FOR THE OTHER USES INSTEAD OF JUST THE MAIN ONE.
AND THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK TO ADD MAYBE IN THOSE CORNER AREAS IS WHETHER IT'S A GRILL FEATURE OR A A PATIO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IS THERE ANY THOUGHT ABOUT THE FRONT, UM, WITH EMERALD PARKWAY SPILLING OUT TO AN A, A LARGER DOOR THAT OPENS TO A PATIO, IT BRINGS IT CLOSER TO THE, IT'S THE FRONT.
IS THAT A THOUGHT THAT WOULD JUST CONNECT PEOPLE TO THE ROAD OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SIDEWALK AND YOUR NEIGHBORS? YEAH.
I, I THINK WE TRIED TO ACHIEVE THAT WITH THE COMMUNAL OUTLETS.
SO YOU STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOUR ROW OF NEIGHBORS THAT YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO AND THERE IS GREEN SPACE PRIOR TO THE MOUND.
MM-HMM
YEAH, I JUST THINK ABOUT THAT INDIVIDUALLY.
'CAUSE YOU'LL HAVE STEPS, THE, THE WALK UP STEPS TO GET TO THE TOWN HOMES IF I'M NOT, IF I'VE GOT THAT RIGHT NEXT TO IT, ARE LARGE WINDOWS.
AND IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A SPILLOVER BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE HANGING OUT ON THE STEPS.
THEY GET TO, IS THERE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY THERE AS WELL TOO IN THE FRONT? YEAH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO EXPLORE IT.
AND THEN JUST SO I HAVE IT IN MY HEAD TOO ABOUT UM, THE MOUNDING, THERE'S EXISTING MOUNDING THERE THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT WOULD STAY, UM, MEANING ALONG MAYBE NOT.
UM, THERE IS MOUNTING ALONG THE PERIMETER TODAY.
AND THEN SO LIKE THE POOL, THE POOL WILL HAVE MOUNDING AROUND IT.
PICKLE BALL HAVE MOUNDING AROUND IT.
SO IF I'M WALKING PAST, I'M NOT REALLY SEEING TOO MUCH, I MIGHT, YOU KNOW, NOISES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
BUT JUST VISUALLY I'M NOT GOING TO SEE, I MAY SEE THE POOL BUT, WELL I, SO I DON'T THINK, IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING TO THIS FULL SITE PLAN, FORRY.
UM, SO THE MOUNDING TODAY IS DESIGNED TO MATCH WHAT IS CURRENTLY AT THE SITE.
NOW IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A SIX FOOT MOUND THAT'S GOING TO FULLY SCREEN, BUT THE INTENTION OF THE POOL IS, YOU CAN SEE THAT WHITE STRUCTURE.
WE'RE GONNA PUT A POOL HOUSE THERE WITH UM, FEATURES FOR THE RESIDENTS TO USE.
MAYBE IT'S YOU RUN A WATERLINE, SO IT'S A SMALL KITCHEN OR A FRIDGE OR A SINK.
AND THEN OUR ENVISION IS THIS STRUCTURE OFF OF IT THAT YOU HAVE PATIO AND GRILL SPACES.
AND THEN ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT YOU STILL DO HAVE YOUR BUFFER AREA.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE LINE OF ACTUALLY THE POOL HOUSE, NOT EVEN THE POOL IS IN LINE WITH THE 60 FOOT SETBACK OF THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS.
MM-HMM
IN BETWEEN THAT WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE TREES AND OTHER LANDSCAPING, UM, BOTH EXISTING AND WHAT WILL ADD TO IT.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA WALK BY THIS SCREENED WALL THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON BACK THERE, BUT IT IS SET UP THAT YOU DON'T SEE A RESIDENT SUNBATHING OR A RESIDENT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THEY, THAT THAT'S THE EXPERIENCE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THERE'S CAR CHARGERS.
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DO YOU HAVE UM, WE DON'T SHOW IT NOW, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE'RE OPEN TO EXPLORING.WE ARE ADDING IT TO A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS.
AND I'M SORRY, MY LAST QUESTION IS JUST ABOUT YOUR MEETING WITH, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU DID MEET WITH THE BUSINESSES OR JUST TO GET AN IDEA AS TO SOME OPPORTUNITIES OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE LIVING THERE.
SO WE'VE MET, WE'VE MET WITH OFFICE TENANTS IN THE AREA AS WELL AS OFFICE BROKERS AND RETAIL BROKERS TO GET FEEDBACK, UM, TO ENSURE THAT THE MARKET WILL RECEIVE THIS PLAN.
WELL WE DID DO A MARKET STUDY ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION THAT WE HAD A GROUP REVIEW OUR PLAN.
THAT'S WHERE WE CAME WITH OUR, OUR DENSITY FIGURES, UM, AND OUR BALANCE OF UNITS.
SO WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT MIX.
YOU SHOULD TRY TO ANTICIPATE YOUR CONCLUSION.
WELL I KEPT GOING FOR THE BUTTON
MR. ALEXANDER, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS MAY NOT BE FAIR, UH, BUT DOES THE CITY KEEP TRACK OF, UH, OFFICE VACANCY RATES? I'M FAIRLY POSITIVE WE DO.
OR AT LEAST WE'RE AWARE GENERALLY WHERE THEY'RE AT.
YOU KNOW WHAT MY NEXT QUESTION IS? AND I DO KNOW WHAT YOUR NEXT QUESTION IS AND I DO NOT KNOW THAT NUMBER.
ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, WE HAVE SHOWN A HALF OVAL THAT IS EAST OF PARKWOOD DRIVE AND IT SHOWS A POTENTIAL FOR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING THERE AND THEN A LOT OF GREEN.
IS THAT A PARK IN THE, DO YOU, COULD YOU FILL IN A LITTLE BIT WHAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS SUGGESTING THERE FOR THE PIECE TO THE, THE EAST OF THE SITE? YEAH, LET ME PULL IT UP.
YEAH, SO THAT IS SHOWN AS THERE'S SOME PUBLIC PARK SPACE AT IN THE CENTER OF THAT AND THEN, UM, SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY BUILDING, UH, THAT WOULD BE GROUNDING THAT AS WELL.
SO IT IS MEANT TO KIND OF ANCHOR THE ENTIRE AREA BOTH TO THE EAST NORTH, UH, AND TO THE WEST OF THE SITE.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S PART OF THE REASON FOR THE CONNECTOR RUNNING THROUGH THE SITE THAT WE SEE ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN? YEAH.
THE GOAL IS TO GET PEOPLE FROM EMERALD PARKWAY TO PARKWOOD PLACE IN THAT I THINK THAT TIES IN WITH NUMBER 10 TO ACTIVATE PARKWOOD PLACE.
UM, IT'S ALL VERY INTENTIONAL TO, TO DRIVE PEDESTRIANS AND UM, AND PEOPLE TO THE CENTER OF THIS AREA.
AND WITH THE SIGNATURE TRAIL THERE IT'S PROBABLY EVEN MORE VALUABLE.
UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
YOU, YOU'VE DECIDED TO ELIMINATE THAT KIND OF CONNECTION THAT WAS IN YOUR EARLIER PLAN MM-HMM
EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE ZONED THE SITE.
SO THE BOTTOM PORTION IS CLEARLY DIFFERENT THAN THE UPPER PORTIONS.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU, YOU ELIMINATED THAT? SURE.
SO I THINK, UM, WELL ONE REASON IS BECAUSE OF CONSTRAINTS OF THE SITE.
WE NEEDED TO REVISE THE CIRCULATION TO ALLOW PULLING THE AMENITY SPACE INTO THE CORE OF THE SITE.
IT WAS CHALLENGING TO DO THAT WHILE YOU HAD KIND OF TWO GRID LINES RUNNING THROUGH THE CORE OF YOUR SITE.
SO THAT WAS THE FIRST REASON THAT WE STARTED STUDYING IT.
UM, I CAN CERTAINLY SEE THAT MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO REVISE THE SOUTHERN PORTION TO STILL CONNECT EAST TO WEST.
WE COULD MODIFY THAT CENTER FOUR STORY BUILDING TO DO SO.
UM, I PERSONALLY DIDN'T SEE THE VALUE OF THE CONNECTION OTHER THAN FOR THE STREETS SCAPE VALUE.
I KNOW THAT STREETS SCAPE IS, UM, A HEAVY FACTOR IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLANNED AND IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND I THINK WE ACHIEVE THAT EVEN MORE SO WITH THIS PRIVATE BOULEVARD RUNNING NORTH TO SOUTH.
UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION, I THINK AS A CONNECTORS WILL FUNCTION, AND THIS IS JUST OUR OPINION, I THINK IT'S ALMOST GOING TO WORK AS A CUT THROUGH RATHER THAN MAYBE AN INTENTIONAL CROSSING.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO END UP BEING A CUT THROUGH FOR THE OFFICE TENANTS TO GO STRAIGHT OVER TO THE EAST.
UM, AND IF YOU DON'T MIND ME COMMENTING ON THE HALF CIRCLE.
SO THAT IS OWNED BY THE OFFICE BUILDING ONE OF THEM TO THE EAST.
WE HAVE APPROACHED THOSE OWNERS TO SEE IF THEY WANTED TO PARTICIPATE WITH US.
UM, VAN TRUSTS IS TRYING TO TAKE THE WHOLE SPECIAL AREA PLAN INTO ACCOUNT BOTH THE CITY OWNED PARKWOOD SITE THAT YOU'RE SHOWING OFFICE.
WE'VE SUGGESTED MARKETING IT TO TENANTS IN THE AREA I'VE SHARED WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHEN I HEARD A PROSPECT LOOKING IN SUBURBAN AREAS.
SO WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IT AS A WHOLE, UM, THE HALF CIRCLE RIGHT NOW.
NOT, NOT TO SPEAK ON ANYONE ELSE'S INTENTIONS, BUT THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN ENGAGING WITH US IN THIS PROJECT WHEN WE SPOKE WITH THEM, UM, WHEN WE INITIALLY MOVED FORWARD ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
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ADDITIONAL QUESTION, AND MAYBE THIS IS UM, FOR THE NEXT ROUND, BUT YOUR TOWNHOUSES HAVE VERY DIFFERENT CONDITIONS THAT THEY ADDRESS AND THE EAST WEST RUNNING TOWNHOUSES DON'T ADDRESS, UM, THE BOULEVARD.SO HAS ANY THOUGHT BEEN GIVEN THAT THE BUILDING TYPE TOWNHOUSE TYPE CHANGES AS YOU MOVE AWAY FROM EMERALD PARKWAY? YES, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED, UM, THAT YOU HAVE KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT TYPE STRUCTURES.
I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO ADD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL FOR NOW.
I THINK WE WANTED TO GET FEEDBACK ON THE ALIGNMENT OF THE STRUCTURES.
UM, AND I THINK WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM HOW EMERALD PARKWAY WAS GOING TO BE EXPERIENCED WITH EVERYTHING PUSHED UP AGAINST THE ROAD.
I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION AND, AND YOUR ZACH AS WELL.
UM, I, I GUESS FIRST I WANNA CLARIFY 'CAUSE I WASN'T AT THAT DECEMBER MEETING JUST FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WHO WERE SO IN THE FEEDBACK TO ACTIVATE THAT PARK ON THE NORTH, WAS THAT THE INTENTION TO I I MEAN, KIND OF ELIMINATE THAT PARK, CONCENTRATED PARK AREA ON THE TOP? WAS THAT ANYONE'S FEEDBACK? I DON'T RECOLLECT THAT WE COULD GO BACK TO THE MEETING MINUTES AND VERIFY THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN WE SAY TALK ABOUT ACTIVATING AN AREA, RIGHT, IT WOULD BE IN THE SAME USAGE STILL AS A PARK, BUT MAYBE HAVE MORE USE FOR UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY.
YOU MENTIONED THE SECURITY ON THAT NORTH END.
UM, DID YOU GET THE FEEDBACK FOR MAKING IT MORE SECURE FROM, FROM THE COMMUNITY FROM THIS COMMISSION OR WAS THAT FROM POTENTIAL TENANTS OR, UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION THAT, UM, THE INTEGRATED PUBLIC SPACE WAS A POINT OF CONCERN.
A AGAIN, THAT WAS MY RECOLLECTION.
IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THE JUST THAT LOCATION, BUT IT WAS ABOUT INTEGRATING THE OPEN SPACE MORE EVENLY AS OPPOSED TO JUST HAVING IT ALL CONCENTRATED IN ONE PLACE.
IF ANYBODY DISAGREES WITH ME,
AND THAT'S WHERE THE SPINE CAME FROM.
I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY KIM WHO WAS REALLY PUSHING FOR SOME SORT OF CONNECTION, SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPE CONNECTION UP THROUGH THE SITE.
THAT, THAT PART'S PRETTY RESPONSIVE TO WHAT WE SAID.
AND, AND I SEE THAT IT ALSO DOES REACT, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CLOSELY TO THAT SPECIAL AREA PLAN, PLAN, UH, DIAGRAM THAT WAS UP.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT HAD ME A LITTLE CONCERNED, THERE'S REALLY JUST THE ONE KIND OF CONCENTRATION OF GREEN SPACE THAT'S ON THAT FAR SOUTHEAST CORNER.
UM, AND YOU SAID THAT COULD BE USED FOR MORE SEATING FOR THE RESTAURANT POTENTIALLY.
WELL, I, IT, IT IS CERTAINLY A LARGE AREA.
I MEAN IN THIS DRAWING NOW WE ARE SHOWING SOME OUTDOOR SEATING ALREADY.
SO IT'S NOT AS THOUGH WE'RE GOING FROM NOTHING TO ADDING IT.
I WOULD ADD WE STILL HAVE GREEN SPACE WITH KEEPING THE TREE LINE, UM, TO THE NORTH.
I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE OVERLOOKED.
WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO EXPLORING.
IS THAT A TRAIL TO CONNECT EAST TO WEST TO ELEVATE THAT EXPERIENCE? UM, I THINK THAT THE AMENITY SPACE WHILE PRIVATE, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S ACTIVATED OPEN SPACE.
IT'S NOT A BUILDING STRUCTURE THROUGHOUT THAT AREA.
I THINK IT OPENS UP VISUALLY FROM THE STREET LEVEL AS WELL.
UM, WE ARE, WE ARE SHOWING IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER AS YOU SUGGEST, AND THEN I DON'T WANT IT TO BE OVERLOOKED THAT WE HAVE ENHANCED OUR PERIMETER LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING.
AND I, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT WORDING, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE, THE PRIMARY LANDSCAPING FEATURE IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN.
SO WE HAVE ADDED TO THE PERIMETER.
UM, BEFORE I ASK ZACH A QUESTION ON THAT, I DO WANNA TOUCH ON THE TRAIL.
'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED POTENTIALLY HAVING A TRAIL THROUGH THE TREE LINE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS HAVING AN ACTIVATED GREEN SPACE, BUT IS THAT WHAT, WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS OF THAT? IF IT WAS, YOU SAID THERE'S NO LONGER A STREAM THERE, DOES THAT MEAN IT'S SEASONALLY A STREAM OR WAS WATER SOMEHOW REDIRECTED? IS IT A WATER CATCH AREA WHERE IT'S DAMP OR NO, THE CORE HAS DESIGNATED THAT IT IS NOT A STREAM ANYMORE.
SO IT DOES NOT FUNCTION AS A STREAM.
IT IS JUST AN AREA OF TREES THERE.
IT IS NOT USED AS DRAINAGE AND THERE'S NO FUNCTIONALITY FOR IT TO BE USED AS DRAINAGE AS IT IS TODAY.
SO YOU GUYS DO FEEL YOU'D BE ABLE TO PUT A TRAIL THROUGH THERE? YES.
UM, SORRY, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION.
I'M TRYING TO DRAW FOR JACK, ZACH, AND I CANNOT THINK OF WHERE WE WERE ON IT.
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THAT, THAT'S GOOD FOR NOW.I I WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER CHANCE AT THE END IF YOU THINK OF IT, SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, ONE I THINK THE, HOW YOU'VE REORGANIZED THE RETAIL ALONG WARNER TEMPLE, I THINK AGAIN WAS LISTENING TO SOME OF OUR COMMENTS FROM THE LAST TIME, I'M STILL NOT QUITE CLEAR.
WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THOSE UNITS AND THE STREET? IS IT JUST THAT THE BUILDING SITS ON THE STREET OR WILL THERE BE DOORS? CAN PEOPLE WALK, YOU KNOW, ENTER INTO BUSINESSES THERE? UM, OR IS IT ALL, IS THE ACCESS ALL FROM THE PARKING LOT SIDE? SO THE ACCESS FOR VISITORS IS ALL FROM THE PARKING LOT SIDE, WHICH I, I, I BELIEVE WAS THE DESIRED INTENT.
NOW, IF YOU WILL, IT WILL HAVE TWO FRONT DOORS.
THE STREET FACING SIDE WILL CERTAINLY LOOK AS THOUGH IT'S THE FRONT OF A RESIDENCE.
I THINK YOU HAVE A COMPARABLE, NEWER DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU CAN POINT TO AS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW THEY DID THAT.
UM, I, I DO THINK THERE'LL BE SIDEWALK ACCESS AROUND AND I THINK THAT'S USED, UM, FOR SERVICE USES RIGHT NOW.
UM, I THINK SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP ABOUT PUTTING OFF OFFICE UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE KIND OF PROTOTYPE.
BUT THERE'S ALSO THE CONCEPT OF LIVE WORK UNITS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE, THERE'S A ACTUAL, A OFFICE UNIT IN THE, THE BASE OF SOMEBODY'S, UM, TOWNHOUSE OR WHATEVER THE STRUCTURES HERE, RENTAL OR, OR OWNED.
UM, HAD YOU CONSIDERED ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO KIND OF, AGAIN, THE CONCERN THAT THERE'S NO OFFICE SPACE INTEGRATED WITH THIS MM-HMM
SO IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THOUGHT THROUGH OR YOU THOUGHT THROUGH IT AND THAT AND DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT? WE HAVE NOT CONSIDERED A A FOUR RENT SPACE WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION.
UM, THE CLUBHOUSE IS CERTAINLY DESIGNED TO BE CO-WORKING FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT WE HAVE NOT CONSIDERED A FOUR RENT PRODUCT INTEGRATED WITHIN RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I, WE'VE SEEN THAT THIS IS THE THIRD, I THINK THE SECOND TIME WE'VE SEEN THIS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, AND WE GAVE YOU A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT, I MEAN, I THINK WE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE IDEA THAT YOU WERE CLUSTERING THE COMMERCIAL DOWN ALONG WARNER TEMPLE BECAUSE IT SYMPATHETIC WITH WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE STREET.
HAD YOU THOUGHT ABOUT INTEGRATING COMMERCIAL MORE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE AS OPPOSED TO CONCENTRATING AND WE'RE SPREAD OUT AND WE'RE SERVING NOT ONLY THE SITE, BUT OTHER SITES LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT THE OTHER END OF THE PRO OF THE DEVELOPMENT? SURE.
I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE CONSIDERED, IF YOU ACTIVATE THE NORTHERN PORTION DIFFERENTLY, I THINK THAT THOSE USES AREN'T GOING TO AS INTEGRATED AS YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD, WOULD BE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE IN THE SAME DEVELOPMENT.
THAT IS QUITE A FAR AREA TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT RETAIL CORNERS, IF YOU WILL.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE REASON FOR POLLING, HAVING ALL THE RETAIL ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION WAS TO ALIGN WITH THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN.
I, AGAIN, I, I GET THE, THE, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE MIXED USE AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND MORE MIXED USE OPPORTUNITIES SURE.
IN IT THAN AND CURRENTLY EXISTS.
THOSE WERE THE QUESTIONS I HAD FOR YOU ZACH.
UM, BACK TO THIS, UM, THE GREENWAY, THE GEORGE GEARY RUN, WHICH IS NO LONGER A RUN, I GUESS BY THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS, BUT THERE ARE TREES ALONG IT, EXISTING TREES AND OBVIOUSLY THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY DEEP STUDY OF THOSE YET.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO, TO DEFINE THAT AS A GREENWAY, WOULD YOU LOOK AT THOSE EXISTING TREES AND THE DRIP LINES OF THE TREES TO KIND OF ESTABLISH A PERIMETER? BECAUSE THERE'S NO SET BUFFER, RIGHT? IF THERE'S NO, IF THERE'S NO STREAM, THERE'S NO BUFFER AS WAS STATED EARLIER.
SO I JUST WONDERED HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT DEFINING THAT GREEN SPACE? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I, I THINK I, SINCE THIS IS PART OF THIS WOULD BE A REZONING PRELIMINARY FINAL, THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT AS STAFF WE WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE WE CAN PRESERVE AS MANY HEALTHY TREES AS POSSIBLE.
SO THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH VANT TRUSTS AND, UH, TRY TO PRESERVE THAT AS, AS BEST AS WE COULD.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NECESSARILY HAVE ANYTHING THAT HOLDS TO A CERTAIN PERIMETER OF THAT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK THROUGH WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE AS WE GET, GET THROUGH ANY ZONING PROCESS.
BUT I THINK THERE'S LANGUAGE NOW IN, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHERE IT IS, COMMUNITY PLAN OR WHERE ABOUT THE DRIP LINE OF TREES BECOMING A, A LIMIT TO DEVELOPMENT OR I'VE SEEN THAT IN SOME DOCUMENTS.
SO THAT WOULD BE A STRATEGY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY WE'D LOOK AT THAT.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE BOULEVARD, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE BOULEVARD AS A U UNIFYING ELEMENT INTERNALLY TO THE SITE.
IT WOULD BE A PRIVATE STREET, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT THE ISSUE I HAVE IS THAT IT KIND OF DIES INTO THE COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT
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AND, AND ESPECIALLY IT HAS PARKING BACKING ONTO IT, SO IT KIND OF LOSES THE CLARITY.AND WOULD, WOULD THE CITY BE LOOKING FOR MORE CLARITY OF THAT AS A, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A CONNECTING STREET, MORE DEFINITION OF IT AS A STREET, AS IT GOES THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL AREA, BECAUSE IT'S NOT PUBLIC, WE WOULDN'T APPLY PUBLIC STANDARDS TO IT.
HOWEVER, I THINK THE CORE PRINCIPLES THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IS GETTING, AS I SAID BEFORE, GETTING VEHICLES AND OR PEOPLE PEDESTRIANS FROM EMERALD PARKWAY TO PARKWOOD PLACE, HOW THAT HAPPENS.
OUR CONCEPT OF THAT WAS DIRECT ACCESS, WHERE THIS IS MORE INDIRECT ACCESS.
SO, UM, AND WE HAVE STANDARDS FOR, FOR PRIVATE STREETS.
THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT.
WE JUST HAVEN'T CONSIDERED THAT AT THIS POINT.
AND, AND, AND PARTLY THE REASON FOR ASKING THAT, OTHER THAN I DON'T SEE IT WELL DEFINED THERE, IS THAT IF THAT'S A STREET, THEN ALTHOUGH PRIVATE, IT THEN BECOMES A, A BARRIER BETWEEN PARKING AND THE RETAIL TO SOME DEGREE YOU HAVE TO CROSS A STREET TO GET TO IT.
AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT A, AN ISSUE, BUT I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S ANY SAFETY STANDARDS AROUND THAT.
I MEAN, WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT WE WOULD REVIEW IT, UH, BASED ON ANY PRIVATE STREET STANDARDS WE HAVE AND WOULD DEFINITELY PRIORITIZE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND ALSO ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
BUT THAT AND THAT BULL, THAT BOULEVARD COULD ACTUALLY BE PUSHED FURTHER TO THE NORTH AND ACTUALLY TIE INTO THE ROAD AS THE DECEMBER PLAN SHOWN.
SO IT KIND OF LOOPS, IT'S A SHORTER LOOP, BUT MM-HMM
THAT WOULD KEEP IT OUT OF THE PARKING LOT AND KIND OF CREATE A, A, A FRONTAGE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE, WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE TO THINK ABOUT THAT ALIGNMENT AND HOW IT WOULD BEST SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO TALK THROUGH AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COMMISSION'S COMMENTS ARE TONIGHT.
UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE PARKING ANALYSIS FOR THE COMMERCIAL IS 10 PER THOUSAND.
THE, IS THAT THE STANDARD FOR COMMERCIAL RETAIL EVERYWHERE? COMMERCIALS USUALLY A LARGER PER, SO I, I BELIEVE THAT IS, I MEAN, ON PAR WITH WHAT WE HAVE, TYPICALLY, IT'S LIKE, TYPICALLY I'VE SEEN IT AT LIKE FIVE PER THOUSAND, BUT THE FREESTANDING RETAIL, LIKE PARKING, LIKE FREESTANDING RESTAURANTS HAVE A HIGHER, UH, PARKING DEMAND, LIKE 10 PER THOUSAND BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF SEATS THAT THEY HAVE TO FILL AND THEY, THEY EQUATE THAT TO PARKING.
BEST WAS JUST CONFIRMING THAT RESTAURANTS ARE 10 PER THOUSAND IN OUR CODE.
SO, AND THAT WOULD BE THE MOST STRINGENT RIGHT.
REQUIREMENT WE WOULD HAVE YOU TAKE ALL OF THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE AS, AS THEY'VE DONE IN SAY, 10,000, THAT'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, CORRECT.
IF THERE WAS NON-RESTAURANT USES IN THERE THAT, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE REDUCED.
OFFICE IS USUALLY ABOUT ONE PER 200 OR ONE PER ONE PER TWO 50.
SO YOU, YOU MENTIONED KIND OF HOW THE PRIORITY WAS FOR THE GREEN SPACE TO BE A LONG EMERALD IN THE CITY'S PLAN, AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
IS THAT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR A POTENTIAL SIGNATURE TRAIL GOING THROUGH THERE? SO FROM THE, THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND FROM THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS, THIS AREA, IT TALKS ABOUT STORMWATER AND LANDSCAPE FEATURES SHOULD BE INTEGRATED ON THE SITE PERIMETER SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING SHOULD STILL BE THE PRIMARY COMPONENT OF THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN.
SO WE DEFINITELY, THE PLAN DOES CALL FOR AN ENHANCED, UM, PERIMETER BUFFER, BUT PART OF THAT WOULD NEED TO BE THIS SIGNATURE TRAIL IF IT IS DETERMINED THAT THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO.
WE HAVE THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL, UM, BUT WE HAVE NOT ENTERED INTO ANY SORT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD LAY OUT ON THIS SITE.
BUT THEY DO HAVE THE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT SHOULD WE NEED IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CHINOOK? VERY QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION.
THE, THE CLUBHOUSE AND AMENITIES IS PRIVATE FOR THE USE OF THE RESIDENCE ONLY, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, THAT'S CORRECT.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHERS? NOTE TAKERS? OKAY, THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT AND TO STAFF FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS.
I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
ANYBODY WISHES TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND MAKE COMMENT? THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
I DON'T SEE ANYBODY STANDING UP
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COMMENT PERIOD AND I'M NOW GONNA COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN POSED TO US.MS. DAMER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START OFF AGAIN? UM, I, FIRST OF ALL, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE, THE PRESENTATION AND ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS.
THAT'S HELPED CLARIFY A LOT FROM WHAT I SAW IN THE APPLICATION.
UM, I DO LIKE THE GENERAL LAYOUT OF THE SITE BETTER THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONNECTION THAT MR. ALEXANDER POINTED OUT BETWEEN THE SITE AND THE FUTURE POTENTIAL USE OF EAST OF IT SO THAT THE CONNECTING STREET OR CONNECTING BYWAY.
THAT BEING SAID THOUGH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PUBLIC JUST USING THAT AS A PASS THROUGH AS WELL.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE I COME OUT ON THAT CONUNDRUM.
UM, I LIKE THE TURNING OF THE TOWNHOUSES INTO THE U-SHAPE ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY.
I THINK IT DOES DOWNPLAY THE TUNNEL EFFECT THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD, ESPECIALLY IF THE SIGNATURE TRAIL GOES THROUGH THE SETBACK FROM THE TOWNHOUSES TO THE WALKWAY IS GONNA BE SMALLER, I ASSUME.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE TOWNHOUSES WILL BE RIGHT ON TOP OF IT.
SO TO HAVE LESS BUILDINGS CONNECTING THEIR WORKS.
UM, I ALSO LIKE THE SEPARATION OF THE USES RATHER THAN INTEGRATING THE COMMERCIAL WITH THE RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK IT'S SAFER FOR THE RESIDENTS, UM, AND IT SEPARATES THE USAGE AND IT MIGHT BE SAFER AS DRIVING AS WELL.
UM, DON'T I STOP WITH THAT AND LET OTHER PEOPLE TALK ABOUT OTHER ASPECTS? LET YOU MR. CHINOOK? YEAH, ECHO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATIONS.
UM, I THINK WE'RE OBVIOUSLY STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE, UM, THE, THE NEW SITE AND THE LACK FOR, FOR ME IT'S THE, THE LOSING THAT NICE.
I KNOW IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING AS AN APPLICANT 'CAUSE WE'RE TELLING YOU KIND OF
UM, SO I THINK WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT.
IT FEELS, I KNOW THE PARKING COUNTS ARE VERY SIMILAR, BUT THIS NEW PLAN FEELS LIKE, ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE PARKING.
IT FEELS A BIT OVERDONE WITH PARKING, SO I'D BE WILLING TO CONCEDE SOME PARKING REQUIREMENTS SO WE CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE GREEN SPACE BACK TO THE SITE TO CREATE MORE USABLE GREEN SPACE.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL HERE.
UM, I THINK THE, UM, I, I DO LIKE THE MOVE WITH THE, THE, THE RETAIL.
UM, I WANNA OBVIOUSLY MAKE SURE WE'RE SC ADEQUATELY SCREENING THE DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, 'CAUSE IT IS GONNA STILL BE IN A VERY PROMINENT LOCATION, BUT IT'S A MUCH BETTER, I THINK IT'S A MUCH BETTER SOLVE.
AND THEN AS WE, UM, MODIFY THE, THE TOWN HOMES AND TURN THE TOWN HOMES, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT THAT THAT BECOMES FOUR-SIDED ARCHITECTURE, UM, WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THESE, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT AND BACK FACADE.
I THINK THAT THAT SIDE, THAT SIDE ELEVATION IS GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT ALONG, UM, EMERALD PARKWAY THERE.
SO WE NEED TO, TO, TO CONSIDER THAT.
UM, AND I THINK, UH, AROUND THE, UM, AGAIN, INTEGRATED OF, OF, OF PURE KIND OF DIFFER, I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTEGRATION OF THE MIX AND, AND NOT THE SEPARATION.
SO IF MAYBE WE CAN CONSIDER MORE SPACE AROUND THE, THE CLUBHOUSE OR ADDING SOME GREEN SPACE AROUND THE CLUBHOUSE OR MAYBE EVEN BRINGING SOME RETAIL IN THERE.
WE CAN, WE CAN LIKE SOME, SOMETHING JUST TO THINK ABOUT.
I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT WE TALK ABOUT THAT ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL PARK SPACE.
HERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE MAYBE DON'T CONSIDER A CONNECTIVITY A ROAD.
IT COULD BE CONNECTED BY, BY TRAIL, BY PATH, BY PEDESTRIAN AS WE TRY TO PROMOTE TRAFFIC MITIGATION.
I THINK THIS IS A REALLY UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE WE CAN CONSIDER CONNECTIVITY TO THAT POTENTIAL PARK SPACE, UM, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AS OPPOSED TO, UM, VEHICULAR CONNECTIVITY.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, UM, KIND OF CONSIDER TOO AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
BUT FOR, FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, NOT FEELING AS GOOD ABOUT IT, UH, AS I'D LIKE TO, BUT I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I APPRECIATE THE, THE PRESENTATION AND THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT.
MS. HAR, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COMING AND THANKS FOR THE GREAT REPORT.
I AGREE WITH YOUR, UM, I DON'T WANNA BE REDUNDANT IN SAYING THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT, UM, JUST WITH THE GREEN SPACE AND THE PARK, I THINK THAT'S A HARD PART TO, TO SEE GO AWAY.
UM, AND I DID NOTICE LIKE, UM, THERE WERE, IF I, THE FIRST ONE HAD LIKE FOUR PICKLE BALLS AND NOW THERE'S TOO, SO I'M NOTICING SOME, SOME THINGS THAT ARE, UH, GOING AWAY AMENITIES FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE.
AND I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT, AGAIN, ABOUT THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE WALKING AROUND THERE.
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SPOKE ABOUT THE, THE BUSINESSES ACROSS THE STREET AND THEY DO HAVE AN INWARD PARKING AREA AND, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHY THAT GATEWAY ON THAT SIDE'S VERY IMPORTANT.SO I THINK YOU REALLY, UM, ARE TRYING TO, UH, DEVELOP THAT AREA, BUT MAKING THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK INTO THERE, UH, EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO WALK AROUND TO THE, THE, THE PARKING LOT AREA.
BUT I THINK, I THINK CAN, AND MAKING THAT A CONNECTION WILL MAKE THAT ACROSS THE STREET BETTER.
AND WILL ALSO JUST THAT CONNECTIVITY OF PEOPLE AND THINKING ABOUT THE WORD SUSTAINABILITY IN DUBLIN, THAT'S PART OF THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION AND, AND SO FORTH.
LAST TIME WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SHOULD THIS EVEN BE HERE, UH, WITH ALL THE BUSINESSES.
BUT I, I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, IN DUBLIN WE WANNA, WE WANNA WORK LIVE AND, AND HAVE FUN IN THE AREA.
SO, UM, SO I THINK IT FITS THAT, 'CAUSE THAT WAS A DISCUSSION, UM, LAST TIME AND, AND WHERE WE ARE.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE NEXT TIME, WHERE THE BUS STOP IS, BECAUSE THAT COULD BE A, A GATHERING AREA AND WHAT'S HAPPENING AND MAKING THAT JUST AS NICE AS IT AS IT COULD BE.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, GENERALLY I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE.
I THINK MR. CHINO'S SUGGESTION IS A GOOD ONE BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE PLENTY OF INCENTIVES TO TURN THAT OVAL INTO A PARK.
THE, THE OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE SO OVER PARKED THAT IT MAY ACTUALLY BE CHEAPER FOR THEM TO TURN IT TO GREEN SPACE THAN TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN IT OVER THE YEARS.
SO THE CONNECTION I THINK IS, IS IMPORTANT.
IF IT'S NOT VEHICULAR THE PEDESTRIAN IS, IS A GOOD SUGGESTION.
UM, I DID LIKE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE SPINE 'CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
AND THE LINKAGE OF SPACES ALONG THERE, THE DOG PARK IS NOW A PART OF THAT, AND IT BECOMES SORT OF A MINOR FOCAL POINT OF THE FIRST COURTYARD.
UM, I'M FINE WITH THE DISTRIBUTION OF USES BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH OFFICE IN THE AREA.
AND IN FACT, THIS, BY CREATING THIS PROJECT, WE ACTUALLY CREATE A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE OFFICE USE THERE.
THERE'S SOME COMMERCIALS THERE.
SO THERE ARE ALREADY THOSE USES AND WE KNOW THERE'S A DEMAND FOR HOUSING.
SO I, I'M FINE WITH THE DISTRIBUTION OF USES, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER.
WELL, I THINK IT'S EARLY IN THE PROCESS, SO, AND I, I THINK YOU AT THIS POINT, IT'S MORE ABOUT ORGANIZATION OF THE SITE AND MAYBE HEIGHTS.
I'M FINE WITH THE THREE STORY ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY BECAUSE AS SOON AS YOU TUCK YOUR PARKING UNDERNEATH IT, YOU NEED THE SPACE ABOVE AND PUTTING THE PARKING UNDERNEATH IT RE REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT ON THE SITE.
SO THERE DEFINITELY SOME ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS.
MY COMMENT ABOUT THE TOWNHOUSES, I HOPE YOU ACTUALLY CONSIDER THOSE SIDE LOADING TOWNHOUSES TO HAVE ENTRIES FROM BERWOOD PARKWAY AND THEY, THEY CHANGE EVEN MORE CONSIDERING THE CONDITION.
UM, THE FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDING, I KNOW IT HASN'T BEEN TAKEN VERY FAR, BUT YOU SEE THAT ALL OVER CENTRAL OHIO.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS OUR, A COUPLE OF OUR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS ALWAYS SAY ON THESE PROJECTS IS, HOW IS IT UNIQUELY DUBLIN? AND WHEN I LOOK AT THAT AND I SEE IT IN ALL OVER THE CITY IN DIFFERENT SETTINGS, I THINK THAT REALLY NEEDS THE EXPRESSION OF THAT REALLY NEEDS SOME, SOME WORK HERE.
AGAIN, IT'S EARLY, I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE FOCUS.
AND UM, SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE THE, THOSE FUNNY LITTLE SHED DORMERS ON THE TOWNHOUSE THAT JUST POP UP, THEY DON'T HAVE WINDOWS.
I MEAN, SOME OF THE DETAILS I THINK NEED TO BE REFINED NOW, THAT'S LATER.
BUT WE WERE ASKED TO COMMENT ON THE ARCHITECTURE.
I MENTIONED THE OPEN SPACE NETWORK.
I THINK THE SPINE IS, IS, IS A GOOD ADDITION TO THE PROJECT.
SO IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL LAYOUT OF THE SUPPORT OR SITE, I'M NOT AS SUPPORTIVE OF RESIDENTIAL ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, BUT IF THE SIGNATURE TRAIL IS GONNA GO THROUGH THAT, IT CREATES AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER, WHICH, UM, APPEASES THAT A BIT IN MY OPINION.
UM, DISTRIBUTION ABUSES ON THE SITE, UH, I THINK THAT IT PROBABLY JUST IS A REACTION TO THE CURRENT MARKET ENVIRONMENT.
UM, I DO THINK IT'S RESIDENTIAL HEAVY, UH, TO OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS' POINTS.
THERE'S A LOT OF OFFICE AROUND THERE.
UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE POINT ON THE PARKING.
IF THERE'S A WAY TO REDUCE THOSE SURFACE LOTS, THAT WOULD HELP A LOT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK OVERHEAD FROM, UH, I MEAN AT THAT WHOLE AREA, THERE'S TONS AND TONS OF SERVICE PARKING.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF GET AWAY FROM, I THINK IN SOME OF THE UPDATED COMMUNITY PLAN.
UM, I WOULD ECHO GARY'S COMMENTS ON THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, CHARACTER AND MASSING FOR ME, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDINGS ARE PRETTY STANDARD TO WHAT YOU'D SEE, AT LEAST
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IN THESE EARLY DIAGRAMS. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO, UM, TO SET THOSE APART.BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY INTO THE NEXT QUESTION, MY BIGGEST ISSUE, AS YOU PROBABLY NOTICED, IS THE OPEN SPACE.
UM, HATE TO SEE THE LOSS OF WHAT SEEMED LIKE A NICE GATHERING POINT AROUND THE POND ON THAT NORTH SIDE PARK.
UM, NOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, I DON'T, I DON'T NOTICE ANYTHING AS GREEN SPACE.
IT LOOKS LIKE KIND OF STANDARD YARDS YOU'D SEE IN FRONT OF COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.
AND IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE BIT TOO, UM, UH, LIKE YOU'RE, LIKE, YOU'RE TAKING TOO MUCH OF THAT LAND.
I REALIZE YOU'VE GOT FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS TO DEAL WITH, BUT, BUT THAT'S THE LOOK OF IT IN MY OPINION.
UM, YEAH, SO, AND, AND JUST IN TERMS OF OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, I KNOW THAT IT'S KIND OF AT ODDS WITH WHAT YOU'VE HEARD.
I REALIZE IT'S FRUSTRATING, BUT I DO SUPPORT MORE OF A, A MASSED OPEN SPACE BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S VISUALLY APPEALING AS YOU DRIVE BY.
IT'S MORE USABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND PROBABLY MORE IN LINE WITH OUR, UM, OPEN SPACE GOALS THAT, UH, PROBABLY CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS MAKING SOMETHING UNIQUELY DUBLIN.
UM, I'M PROBABLY GONNA ITERATE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I, I DO SUPPORT THE LAYOUT.
I MEAN, I THINK THE LAYOUT'S EVOLVING AS THE COMMUNITY PLAN HAD ENVISIONED IT.
UM, I, I DO LIKE THE WAY THAT THE RETAILS HAVE BEEN PULLED, UM, TO WARNER TEMPLE AND STARTING TO CREATE AN EDGE ALONG THERE.
AND I THINK THAT'S STARTING TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT IT DID IS IT PULLED, IT BASICALLY LEFT A SEA OF PARKING BEHIND IT.
THE LAST PLAN HAD A, AS A RE HAD ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ALONG PARKWOOD.
AND SOMEHOW THAT SEEMED TO BE THE RIGHT SCALE.
SO WHILE I LIKE THE ONE MOVE YOU, THE OTHER MOVE I THINK IS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
SO AGAIN, I'M ABOUT, UM, URBAN EDGES AND ABOUT HOW BUILDINGS RELATE TO STREETS.
SO I'M INTERESTED IN THE EMERALD PARKWAY, WARNER TEMPLE PARKWOOD DRIVE OF HOW THE BUILDINGS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT RELATE TO THAT AND KIND OF CREATE THAT URBAN FORM.
UM, THE, UM, THE USES, AGAIN, I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY PLAN HAS DESIGNATED THIS AS A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT'S, IT'S A FINITE AREA WITHIN THIS ZONE.
OVERALL ZONE PRINCIPAL USES ARE OFFICE PERSONAL SERVICES, COMMERCIAL, RETAIL, EATING AND DRINKING SECONDARY, OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS IS NOT MEETING THE INTENT OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN CURRENTLY.
AND I STILL THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MORE THOUGHT ABOUT HOW DO YOU GET MORE INTEGRATION IN TERMS OF USES, UM, ARCHITECTURE.
I THINK THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT THAT.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, UH, GENERIC RIGHT NOW.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE INTENT IN TERMS OF NOT ONLY, AS GARY SAID UNIQUELY DUBLIN, BUT JUST WHAT, WHAT'S THE NEW, WHAT'S THE NEXT THING IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURE IN DUBLIN? HOW CAN WE CREATE SOMETHING NEW AND INNOVATIVE AND EXCITING? SO I'M ANXIOUS TO SEE HOW THAT EVOLVES THE OPEN SPACE NETWORK.
A AGAIN, I THINK THERE HAS BEEN SOME MORE DISTRIBUTION ACROSS THE SITE.
I THINK THE, THE CREEK, THE NON CREEK IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOME OPEN SPACE.
AND I THINK WE'RE OVERLOOKING THAT.
IT MAY NOT BE THE AS BIG AS IT WAS IN THE PLA UH, PAST PLAN, BUT I DO LIKE THAT THERE'S ARCHITECTURE DEFINING THAT INTERSECTION.
SO I THINK THAT MOVE MAKES SENSE AND I THINK IF YOU COULD CREATE SOMETHING OUT OF THAT EXISTING TREAT AREA AND PRESERVE IT, THAT THAT COULD BE A MAJOR ANCHOR ON THE NORTH END OF THE SITE.
LIKE THE LAST PLAN HAD MA HAD THE MAJOR ANCHOR, BUT I THINK THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITIES THEN TO, AGAIN, SPRINKLE MORE GREEN SPACE, UM, INTO THE CENTER AND THROUGH THE SITE.
SO I THINK THAT'S NEEDS SOME MORE, UH, THOUGHT.
UM, AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
SO, UM, I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT, YOU'VE HEARD FROM ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE'VE ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, UH, TO CLARIFY ANYTHING OR WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD TO GO AND WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE NEXT ROUND.
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WE ARE NOW GOING TO SHIFT TO OUR NEXT CASE, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER 26 0 1 5 1 INF DUBLIN SENIOR LIVING, INFORMAL REVIEW, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A CONTINUUM OF CARE FACILITY AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.THE 17.6 ACRE SITE IS ZONED R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND IS LOCATED 820 FEET SOUTHWEST OF THE CORNER OF BRIGHT ROAD AND EMERALD PARKWAY.
SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT TO THE MICROPHONE AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PRESENTATION.
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UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.UH, MY ADDRESS IS 8 6 2 0 NEELY LANE IN EDWARDSVILLE, ILLINOIS.
UM, SO WE WERE BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UM, IN DECEMBER WITH A PROPOSAL FOR A SENIOR'S HOUSING PROJECT, UH, THAT WAS MIXED USE, UH, INCLUDED A MEDICAL OFFICE AS WELL FOR A PARCEL THAT WAS, UH, AN 18 ACRE PARCEL ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF BRIGHT ROAD AND EMERALD PARKWAY.
UH, THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME WAS THAT THE SITE WAS NOT APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE, UH, ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN.
UM, IN, IN PARTICULAR, THE PRIMARY VERSUS, UH, SUPPLEMENTARY USES BUILDING HEIGHT AND JUST GENERAL LAYOUT WAS NOT CONDUCIVE TO, UH, TO THE CITY'S VISION FOR THAT LOCATION.
UH, SO SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE, WE'VE ENGAGED HEAVILY WITH CITY STAFF.
WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS, UH, MEETINGS WITH, WITH NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES AS WELL AS A VIRTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEE, UH, MEETING WE HAD WHERE WE HAD 16 REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE, THE AREA NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND WE'VE DECIDED TO, UM, DEVELOP A PLAN AROUND THE 16 ACRE PARCEL TO THE WEST OF THE PARCEL THAT WE REVIEWED BACK IN DECEMBER.
UH, JUST A QUICK, UH, QUICK TIDBIT ABOUT MYSELF.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY CENTURY LAND COMPANY IS, IS OUR COMPANY.
WE'VE DEVELOPED SENIORS HOUSING, UM, ALL ACROSS THE MIDWEST SPECIALIZING IN, IN LUXURY COMMUNITIES THAT, UM, PROVIDE A CONTINUUM OF CARE.
SO INDEPENDENT LIVING, ASSISTED LIVING, AND MEMORY CARE, ALL WITH A WELLNESS FOCUS SLIDE PLEASE.
UM, THIS IS A SIMILAR SLIDE THAT WE LOOKED AT IN, IN DECEMBER.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE, WE ALL SEE THE, THE HEADLINES ABOUT THE BABY BOOMERS AND THERE'S A LOT OF BUZZWORDS OUT THERE, BUT IT IS REAL, WE'RE SEEING IT IN OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES.
UH, THERE'S SOME, SOME TEXT HERE FROM DUBLIN'S OWN HOUSING STUDY, UM, THAT INDICATES NEW SUPPLY REQUIRED FOR SENIOR RENTALS BY 2030 IS OVER A THOUSAND UNITS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO AN EXCERPT HERE FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
UM, OUR PROJECTIONS, UH, BASED ON OUR INTERNAL ANALYSIS ACTUALLY, UH, INDICATES THAT THE DEMAND MIGHT EVEN BE MORE THAN THAT.
UM, SO BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY IN THE PAST, UM, IF THIS PROJECT WOULD GET TO BE APPROVED BASED ON CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT TIMELINES, WE WOULD BE LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT THE, UH, DUBLIN'S OWN HOUSING STUDY IS INDICATED IS NECESSARY TO KEEP SENIORS IN DUBLIN.
UM, SO THIS IS THE PROJECT SUMMARY.
UM, WE'LL GET TO THE SITE PLAN QUICKLY HERE.
UM, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A 16 ACRE PARCEL DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO HOPEWELL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON EMERALD PARKWAY.
UH, THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD INCLUDE A SINGLE STRUCTURE WITH APPROXIMATELY 160 TO 170, UH, SENIORS HOUSING UNITS, UM, AS WELL AS 16 SINGLE STORY VILLAGES ALONG THE NORTHERN PORTION.
AGAIN, IT'S A CONTINUUM OF CARE.
SO WE PROVIDE INDEPENDENT LIVING THAT HAS THIRD PARTY WELLNESS SERVICE INTEGRATED INTO THE BUILDING, UM, AS WELL AS LICENSED ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE.
UH, WE'LL EMPLOY, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 70 AND 80 EMPLOYEES, SIGNIFICANT PAYROLL.
UM, UM, AND THEN DOWN HERE AT THE, THE BOTTOM THERE IS A LIST OF OUR AMENITIES.
UH, THE PARCEL IS OUTLINED IN RED.
UM, ON THE LEFT YOU CAN SEE THE DUBLIN FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
UM, THE ENTIRE PARCEL IS INDICATED AS NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE.
UH, THE PARCEL'S CURRENTLY VACANT.
UM, I DO WANNA CLARIFY WHEN WE GET INTO THE SITE PLAN, THERE IS AN ABANDONED HOUSE ON BRIGHT ROAD.
WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE LAND CONTROL OVER THAT HOUSE.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT INTEGRATED INTO THE CONCEPT PLANS THAT WE'LL REVIEW TODAY.
UM, THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE DISCUSSION THAT WE WOULD HOPEFULLY OBTAIN SOME, SOME CONTROL OVER THAT IF WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, EMERALD CORRIDOR ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN, WHICH IS A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
UM, THIS ACTUALLY INDICATES ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SECTION, UM, WITH, WITH THE PRIMARY, UH, REMAINDER OF THE PARCEL LISTED AS NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE.
UM, THIS IS THE, UH, AN EXCERPT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT FROM ENVISION DUBLIN.
UM, WHEN WE FIRST, UH, PRESENTED TO THE CITY BACK IN DECEMBER, OUR INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WERE REALLY AROUND, IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE USE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT.
UM, AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE, THE CITY HAS APPROVED A VERY SIMILAR, NEARLY, NEARLY IDENTICAL IN TERMS OF STRUCTURE AND USE PROJECT TO THE NORTHEAST.
THAT WAS A NEARLY IDENTICAL, UM, UH, LAND USE CHANGED TO A PUD THAT IT WAS, UH, THAT PROJECT WAS ALSO A NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, UM, EVEN UNDER THE, THE PRIOR, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE GO BACK AND WE LOOK AT THAT RECORD.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED WITH CITY STAFF THAT
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THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN REALLY ENVISIONS THIS WELLNESS CORRIDOR THAT STARTS AT LIFETIME AND IT COMES DOWN TO MOUNT CARMEL AND, AND CARRIES WEST, INCLUDING THE MEDICAL OFFICE THAT'S CONTEMPLATED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT.AND SO WE THINK THAT THE PLAN WILL HEAR, REVIEW HERE IN A MOMENT, PRESERVES THE INTENT OF THAT FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WHERE WE HAVE, UH, WELLNESS WITH A LIFETIME FITNESS.
WE HAVE A VERY UPSCALE SENIORS HOUSING COMMUNITY WITH THE BEACON.
WE HAVE THE HOSPITAL SYSTEM AND MEDICAL OFFICE ALONG EMERALD, THE EMERALD PARKWAY, EMERALD PARKWAY, AND THEN BOOK ENDING IT WITH ADDITIONAL SENIORS HOUSING.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, MEDICAL OFFICE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I I NOTICED IT CAME UP IN THE PRIOR PRESENTATION.
SPEAKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE OFFICE BROKERAGE COMMUNITY, THAT'S A REALLY TOUGH SELL RIGHT NOW.
UH, FOR, FOR CONS CONSTRUCTION OF, OF OFFICE BUILDINGS, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT BASED ON THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY THAT YOU CREATE, NOT ONLY FROM THE BEACON, BUT OUR PROJECT AS WELL, YOU'RE ESTABLISHING THAT DENSITY THAT THAT WILL EVENTUALLY ATTRACT THE MEDICAL OFFICE DEVELOPERS.
UM, THIS IS THE OVERALL SITE PLAN, UM, ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY.
WE'VE ACCOMMODATED A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACKS.
UM, WE'VE TRANSITIONED THE BUILDING FROM TWO STORY LONG EMERALD PARKWAY.
WE HAVE REDUCED THE OVERALL STRUCTURE FROM FOUR STORIES THAT WE REVIEWED BACK IN DECEMBER TO A THREE STORY MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT.
UM, AND THEN ON THE NORTHERN PORTION, WHICH WAS THE, THE SECTION THAT WAS DESIGNATED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON THE EMERALD CORRIDOR PLAN IS, IS RESERVED FOR, UH, SINGLE STORY VILLAS.
UH, THOSE VILLAS WILL INTEGRATE RIGHT INTO THE OVERALL, UM, COMMUNITY.
UM, THOSE VILLAS WILL, THE, THE RESIDENTS OF THOSE VILLAS WILL, UM, BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SAME AMENITIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, WHICH INCLUDES THE FULL DINING PROGRAM AND INDOOR POOL TRANSPORTATION, PICKLEBALL, YOU KNOW, A A WHOLE WELLNESS SUITE.
UH, WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE, THE DETAIL HERE, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING WE WOULD PRESERVE THE TREE BUFFERS ON BOTH THE EAST AND WEST BOUNDARY LINES.
UM, AND WE WOULD ALSO ATTEMPT TO INTEGRATE, UM, WHAT THE EMERALD CORRIDOR ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN REALLY SORT OF CONTEMPLATES THIS RIVER WAY THAT YOU CAN SEE A REPRESENTATION OF AT MOUNT CARMEL.
WE WOULD CARRY THAT THROUGH THE SITE AND WE WOULD TRY TO INTEGRATE THAT, UH, IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE WHERE YOU CAN SEE ADDITIONAL TREE PRESERVATION.
UM, HERE A FEW OF THE CONCEPT PLAN HIGHLIGHTS.
UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WE, WE, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT PRINCIPLE VERSUS SUPPORTING USES.
UM, I THINK IT'S WORTHY TO NOTE THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN, UH, CURRENTLY THERE IS NOT A LAND USE CATEGORY THAT INCLUDES SENIORS HOUSING, SUCH AS THIS AS A PRINCIPAL USE.
UM, IT'S ALWAYS INDICATED AS A, A SUPPORTING USE.
SO WHAT WE DID, UH, IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE REVIEWED IN DECEMBER IS WE TOOK THE SENIORS HOUSING COMPONENT OFF OF THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE, WHICH, UH, WE ACKNOWLEDGE WAS CONTEMPLATED PRIMARILY RESERVED FOR MEDICAL OFFICE OR OFFICE.
UH, SO WE'RE NOW UTILIZING THE, THE REAR PORTION, 16 ACRES, PRESERVING THE ENTIRETY OF THE 18 ACRES FOR ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACE.
UM, AGAIN, WE ENHANCING AND PROMOTING THAT WELLNESS CORRIDOR ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY.
UM, WE'LL GET INTO THE SITE PLAN, THE OPEN SPACE.
WE'RE, WE'RE PRESERVING SIGNIFICANT SETBACKS ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, UM, AS WELL AS WELL AS BRIGHT ROAD.
AND THEN BASED ON, UM, MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH STAFF, WERE EXTENSIVE TREE PRESERVATION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, AS WELL AS BOTH ON THE EAST AND WEST BOUNDARIES.
UM, IN TERMS OF DENSITY, UH, WE WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE OVERALL DENSITY IN THE CURRENT PROPOSED PROJECT IS, IS MORE THAN WHAT IS CONTEMPLATED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT, ALTHOUGH THERE IS PRECEDENT THAT THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT IS APPROPRIATE AND THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS APPROPRIATE IN NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, AND WE'RE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS SQUARE FOOT PER ACRE THAN THE A PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE.
UM, AGAIN, WE TOOK THE COMMISSION'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION ON BUILDING HEIGHT.
WE'VE REDUCED THE OVERALL BUILDING FROM FOUR STORIES TO THREE STORY MAX, AND WE'VE TRANSITIONED TO, UH, EMERALD PARKWAY AND TO BRIGHT ROAD, BOTH TO TWO STORY AND ONE STORY.
UM, AGAIN, IN TERMS OF THE COLLABORATION, WE, WE STILL HAVE A LOT TO DO, UH, BUT WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH CITY STAFF AND IN ADDITION TO NEIGHBORS TO FURTHER RE REFINE THE SITE PLAN.
UM, HERE WE'RE ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT ON BRIGHT ROAD.
UH, WE KNOW THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO THE, THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY, THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, WE DO WANT TO PRESERVE AND ENHANCE THE RURAL CHARACTER ALONG BRIGHT ROAD.
UM, AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE, BUT THE INTENT HERE IS TO, UH,
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INCREASE THE BUFFERING BETWEEN THE SINGLE STORY VILLAS AND BRIGHT ROAD WITH SIGNIFICANT BI SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPE.UM, ON THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER, YOU CAN SEE EQUESTRIAN FENCING.
WE THINK THAT WOULD BE A NICE FEATURE, A LONG, BRIGHT ROAD.
UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE, WE KNOW WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT SETBACK, WE'RE CARRYING THE TRAIL THROUGH, AND THE HOMES ON THAT SIDE, YOU KNOW, REPRESENT, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO SINGLE STORY STRUCTURES, AGAIN, AGE RESTRICTED, VERY LIMITED TRAFFIC, UM, AND WOULD TIE RIGHT INTO THE OVERALL PROJECT.
UH, THE CONCEPT OF A GATE, UM, WAS SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.
AGAIN, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE CONTROLLED ACCESS ALONG BRIGHT ROAD, SUBJECT TO FUTURE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND, AND CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, WITH CITY STAFF AND, AND THE APPROPRIATE HJS.
I DO WANNA MAKE ONE MORE POINT ON THE VILLAS.
UM, AS A RESULT, WE, WE ORIGINALLY HAD 26 VILLAS PLANNED.
UH, WE DID TAKE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND NEIGHBOR'S RECOMMENDATION.
UH, WE'VE REDUCED FROM 26 TO 16 ALREADY.
SO, UH, THE DENSITY IN TERMS OF THE VILLAS, UM, I THINK, UH, BASSEN WILL GET INTO THIS.
UM, THE, THE CURRENT ALLOWABLE DENSITY FOR SINGLE FAMILY, I BELIEVE IS, UH, FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING THREE, UH, THE EMERALD PARKWAY FRONTAGE.
UH, WE, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, WE'RE SHOWING, UM, THE APPROPRIATE 100 FOOT SETBACK IS REQUESTED BY THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN.
UM, AGAIN, CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPING IN NATURE, BUT THE CONCEPT PLAN STAGE, WE WOULD SHOW SIGNIFICANT BI TREES LANDSCAPE, UH, TO COINCIDE WITH ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
UM, AGAIN, IN TERMS OF TRANSITIONING THE BUILDING, UM, ALL THE PARKING HAS BEEN MASKED BEHIND THE BUILDING FACADE.
AGAIN, WE WOULD HEAVILY LANDSCAPE THAT, SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING ANY VEHICLES FROM EMERALD PARKWAY.
UM, AND WE'VE ALSO TRANSITIONED THE BUILDING HEIGHT, STARTING WITH A TWO STORY BUILDING HEIGHT AT, AT EMERALD ROAD, KEEPING THE THREE STORY STRUCTURE CENTERED ON THE PARCEL.
AND THEN AGAIN, AS YOU JUST SAW, TRANSITIONING BACK DOWN TO SINGLE STORY, UM, ALONG BRIGHT ROAD, UH, CONNECTIVITY AND PARKING.
UH, CURRENTLY, OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE A FUTURE, UH, REQUIREMENT.
UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING, UH, A PRIVATE ROUNDABOUT, UM, AT THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING, UH, WITH THE INTENTION THAT AS WE FURTHER DEVELOP THE PLAN THAT WE WOULD MAKE CONNECTIVITY TO THE ROUNDABOUT IN FRONT OF MARK MOUNT CARMEL.
UM, AS THAT PARCEL DEVELOPS, UM, OPEN SPACE ON, ON THE NORTH, THE, THE TOP OF THE SLIDE THERE, YOU CAN SEE A REPRESENTATION OF THE LANDSCAPING AND SORT OF RIVERSCAPE THAT, UH, MOUNT CARMEL INTEGRATED INTO THEIR PROJECT.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT BASED ON THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN THAT THAT SAME CONCEPT CARRIES THROUGH OUR SITE.
UM, AGAIN, A LOT TO BE DEVELOPED HERE, BUT WE WOULD INTEND TO UTILIZE THAT GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THE VILLAS TO INTEGRATE THIS RIVERWAY HEAVY LANDSCAPING AND TREE PRESERVATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THREW A, A REPRESENTATIVE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL IMAGING HERE.
I THINK THE PRIMARY HOPE FOR US TODAY IS REALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE, THE BUILDING HEIGHT, THE DENSITIES.
UM, CERTAINLY WE WILL WORK, UH, INTENSELY WITH YOU ALL AND CITY STAFF TO DEVELOP ARCHITECTURE THAT THE CITY FEELS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE.
I'M, UH, PITCHING IN FOR SARAH TONIGHT.
SO, UH, SHE, UH, HAD PRESENTED THE ONE VERSION BEFORE AND I WANTED TO, UH, KIND OF REVIEW WHAT THE COMMENTARY WAS WITH THE PREVIOUS SITE, BUT ALSO, UH, TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AT IN THE PROCESS.
SO THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW, UH, OF A MULTI-STEP PROCESS BECAUSE THE, UH, PROPOSAL THAT, UH, IF IT PROCEEDS WOULD REQUIRE REZONING AND PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UM, DESIGNATION.
SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A MORE FORMAL, UM, A COUPLE MORE FORMAL STEPS ALONG WITH, UH, POTENTIALLY TRAFFIC STUDIES AND ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES AND, AND SO FORTH.
SO AT THIS POINT, MUCH LIKE THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION THAT YOU JUST REVIEWED, WE ARE LOOKING GENERALLY AT LAND USE AND DENSITIES, GENERAL LAYOUT, KINDA HIGH LEVEL, UH, TYPE OF TYPES OF DETAILS.
AND NO DETERMINATION IS REQUIRED TONIGHT.
SO THE, THE SITE, AS MR. DORSEY MENTIONED, IS, UH, ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF EMERALD PARKWAY, UH, EXTENDING TO BRIGHT ROAD AND, UH, IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF HOPEWELL SCHOOL.
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A FEW IMAGES FROM THE SITE JUST TO PROVIDE SOME ORIENTATION.SO ON THIS MAP, THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THIS AREA.
THIS IS THE ONE PARCEL THAT MR. DORSEY MENTIONED THAT INCLUDES AN EXISTING HOUSE THAT'S, UH, SCHEDULED TO BE DEMOLISHED, UH, THAT THEIR HOPE IS TO INTEGRATE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE PICTURE YOU SEE AT THE TOP IS THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ACROSS THE STREET SOME OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH,
AND YOU CAN SEE ALSO AN EXISTING STAND OF TREES, UM, SEPARATING THE, UH, AREA TO THE SOUTH FROM THE BRIGHT ROAD FRONTAGE AS ALREADY INDICATED.
THE FUTURE LAND USE, UH, CHARACTER AREA AS PART OF THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN IS A NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE.
THIS IS, UH, ENVISIONED AS ONE TO TWO STORY OFFICES THAT MIGHT INTEGRATE WITH SMALLER SCALE DEVELOPMENTS NEXT TO THEM.
YOU CAN SEE SOME CHARACTER IMAGES THERE, UH, AT THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER.
AND THEN A DESCRIPTION OF THE PRINCIPLE AND SUPPORTING USES.
SO THE PRINCIPLE USES OUR OFFICE, MEDICAL OFFICE AND INSTITUTIONAL USES.
AND THEN, UH, SUPPORTING USES INCLUDE ASSISTED LIVING AS, UH, THAT'S REFERENCED SPECIFICALLY.
UH, THERE ARE NO OTHER REFERENCES TO SENIOR HOUSING BEYOND, UH, THE ASSISTED LIVING REFERENCE HERE.
UH, BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE DENSITY ENVISIONED AT 9,500 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE.
UM, BUILDING FORMS BEING, UH, SOMEWHAT SMALLER, UH, LARGER SETBACKS, UH, SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES AND PARKING BEHIND STRUCTURES WITH SOME LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE EMERALD CORRIDOR SPECIAL AREA PLAN WITHIN THE ENVISION DUBLIN, UH, PLAN.
AND THIS IS WITHIN THAT, THE EMERALD CORRIDOR IS A LONG STRETCH, INCLUDING THE PARCEL WE JUST, UH, LOOKED AT WITH THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
UH, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY TOWARDS THE NORTH AND EAST, UH, TERMINUS OF EMERALD PARKWAY.
IT DOES SEPARATE THE SITE INTO THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, SUB AREA TO THE NORTH AND THE MIXED USE OFFICE OR NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE TO THE SOUTH.
AND AGAIN, THE NATURAL FEATURES WITHIN THE SITE ARE THAT DEMARCATION POINT.
UH, THE INTENT IS TO RESPECT THE RESIDENTIAL USES ON BRIGHT ROAD, BUT THEN ALLOW FOR A TRANSITION TOWARDS EMERALD PARKWAY.
THERE ARE CERTAIN, UH, CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT SUB AREA PLAN, INCLUDING THE A HUNDRED FOOT MINIMUM SETBACKS FROM EMERALD PARKWAY, AGAIN, REFLECTS THE SAME DENSITY AS THE, UH, UH, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
AND THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IS SUGGESTED AT FOUR UNITS PER ACRE ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THERE'S ALSO WITHIN DUBLIN, THE, UH, STREET OR THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WITH SOME VERY SPECIFIC, UH, ROADWAY DESIGNATIONS AND ROADWAY CHARACTER DESIGNATIONS.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, ENBREL PARKWAY IS, UH, CLASSIFIED AS A CORRIDOR OF SIGNIFICANCE, WHICH REQUIRES HEIGHTENED, UH, TREATMENT.
AND THEN BRIGHT ROAD IS, UM, ENVISIONED AS, UH, WHAT'S IDENTIFIED AS A RIVER CHARACTER, UH, CORRIDOR THAT HAS MORE OF A NATURAL DESIGN THAT MAKES THAT TRANSITION PRETTY MUCH ALWAYS ALMOST TO THE CIO RIVER EVENTUALLY.
SO IT'S INTENDED TO BE A LITTLE MORE RURAL, LESS FORMAL.
SO PREVIOUSLY THE, THE APP CAN PRESENTED THE, UH, CONCEPT THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, AND THAT WAS FOR THE SITE IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST.
AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITE HERE, BUT I THINK SOME OF THE COMMENTARY MAY BE RELEVANT.
SO IN THAT CASE, THERE WERE SOME, UH, QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED BECAUSE THE BUILDING HEIGHT WAS TWO, UH, UP TO FOUR STORIES.
AND THE, UH, THE LARGER BUILDING WAS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO SOME OF THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
SO THAT BECAME A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.
UM, ALSO WITH THIS INTENDED TO BE THE, THE PRIMARY GOAL THERE IS, UH, AGAIN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WITH THAT, UH, PROPOSAL, THERE WAS A SUGGESTION OF A MEDICAL OFFICE HERE, AND I TALK ABOUT THAT, UH, FUTURE OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA IN A MINUTE.
UH, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE WAS DEDICATED TO WHAT, UH, THE COMMISSION FELT WAS THE SECONDARY USE.
SO THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS EXPRESSED ABOUT WHETHER THE BALANCE WAS THE CORRECT BALANCE.
UH, THERE WERE SOME SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THE LAYOUT SHOULD BE A LITTLE
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BIT DIFFERENT WITH THE OFFICE USES ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY AND THE RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE WEST SO THAT IT STARTS MAKING THE TRANSITION.AND I BELIEVE SEVERAL OF YOU, UH, THAT WERE HERE, UH, EXPRESSED, UM, APPRECIATION FOR THE USE FOR THE, UH, DESIGN, UH, UM, SUGGESTED DESIGN BY QUESTION WHETHER THIS WAS THE RIGHT, UH, PARCEL FOR IT.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN IF THE MARKET IS NOT THERE AT THIS POINT FOR MEDICAL OFFICE, WHETHER AGAIN, THE PRINCIPAL USE WAS GONNA FOLLOW, UH, A VERY LONG TIME PAST THE, THE SECONDARY USE.
SO WITH THAT, THE APPLICANT HAS, AS, AS MR. DORSEY MENTIONED, THEY'VE SHIFTED TO THE SITE TO THE WEST.
THE, UH, DENSITY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS ABOUT 17,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE.
UH, AGAIN, REMINDER, THE COMMUNITY PLAN CALLS FOR 9,500 SQUARE FEET.
AS A SUGGESTION, UH, MR. DORSEY IS CORRECT THAT THE BEACON HAS A DENSITY OF 26,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE AND SOME TALLER BUILDINGS.
UH, IN THAT CASE, THERE WERE SOME ACCOMMODATIONS MADE FOR THE FACT THAT THE TALLER BUILDINGS WERE MUCH FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ROAD AND FROM SOME OF THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO THERE ARE SOME, UH, DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THE TWO SITES.
UM, BUT AGAIN, AS UM, MENTIONED HERE, THE PROPOSED DENSITY FOR THE VILLAS, THE SINGLE FAMILY COMPONENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT ARE SHOWN AT ABOUT THREE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL, BUT THIS IS OVERLAID ON TOP OF THE EXISTING AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT APPEARS TO BE A DUPLEX HERE BEING ABOUT THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS THE EXISTING SITE.
UH, EXISTING HOUSE, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT, THE EXISTING HOUSE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A RAMBLING STRUCTURE, BUT, UH, JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDEA OF THE SCALE OF THESE UNITS.
UH, THERE WOULD BE ONE STORY UNITS, UH, AT THAT LOCATION.
AND THEN THE, UH, BUILDING AS, UH, THE, THE MAIN BUILDING AS MR. DORSEY MENTIONED, WOULD BE TWO STORIES IN THE FRONT, THREE STORIES IN THE MIDDLE, AND, UH, THEN THEY MAKES THE TRANSITION AND MASS TOWARDS THE ROAD.
SO, AND, AND THEN A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN WERE SOME OF THE NATURAL FEATURES.
UH, SO IN THIS CASE, UH, THEY ARE LOOKING AT PRESERVING THE TREE LINES ALONG THE EDGES.
THERE'S ALSO AN EXISTING TREE LINE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, WOULD NOT BE ACCOMMODATED IN THIS, UH, BUT THE MOST OF THE TREES THAT SEPARATE THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT FROM THE REST OF THE SITE WOULD BE PRESERVED.
AND THEN THERE'S THE EXISTING STREAM BED THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN AS POTENTIALLY PROVIDING FOR AN AMENITY AND A FOCAL FEATURE POTENTIALLY AT ITS TERMINUS ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, MR. DORSEY, UM, EXPLAINED THAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT, UM, SOME DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UH, COUPLE THINGS HERE IN TERMS OF THE ACCESS TO THE SITE, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING ONE ACCESS POINT OFF OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND ONE OFF OF BRIGHT ROAD.
UM, I SHOULD MENTION THAT WITH THE, UH, AND I'LL GET BACK TO THAT WITH EMERALD PARKWAY.
AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, THIS CAME BEFORE YOU, UH, THERE'S A PLAN FOR A BRIDGE THAT WILL CROSS FROM, UH, THE BRIDGE PARK DEVELOPMENT OVER TWO 70 TO EMERALD PARKWAY.
AND THAT WOULD, UH, INTERSECT WITH, WITH EMERALD PARKWAY AND A ROUNDABOUT THAT WOULD BE JUST OFF TO THE EAST OF THIS PARCEL LINE.
SO THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OF THIS ACCESS POINT TO THAT.
SO IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, WE WOULD WANNA WORK WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT ON THE EXACT POSITIONING OF THIS ACCESS POINT.
BY THE NATURE OF THE MEDIAN THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN, IN, UM, ENBREL PARKWAY, THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE A RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT, UH, BUT ACCESS COULD BE, UH, PROVIDED BY THE ROUNDABOUT TO, TO DOUBLE BACK IF, UH, THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
THE ACCESS OFF OF BRIGHT ROAD AGAIN, UH, BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW WITH A POTENTIAL, UH, GATED ENTRY, UH, THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO SEVERAL STUDIES AND THE CONSENT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I MENTIONED THE, UH, FEATURE THROUGH THE SITE SO THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, STAFF HAS TALKED TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT.
UH, BUT THEN A FEW OTHER SITE FEATURES.
THIS ONE, UH, PROPOSES SOME FREESTANDING GARAGE STRUCTURES, WHICH, UH, UH, HAVE NOT TYPICALLY BEEN SUPPORTED IN THE PAST IN, IN DUBLIN.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE WHETHER THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE TO BE BETTER INTEGRATED
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WITH THE BUILDINGS.THERE'S A DUMPSTER THAT'S, UH, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE THAT'S PROPOSED, UM, AT THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT MAY, UH, ALSO NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IF THIS MOVES FORWARD.
AND THEN THE CIRCULATION SYSTEM, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE CONNECTIVITY.
UH, THE EXACT LOCATION AND NATURE MAY NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURE, AS MR. DORSEY MENTIONED, THESE ARE CHARACTER IMAGES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADJUSTED AS THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT, IF THE DEVELOPMENT MOVES FORWARD.
UH, WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT BEFORE I GET INTO THE DISCUSSION ITEMS. AND THAT IS THE, UH, PRESENCE OF THE BUILDING ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY.
SO YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS A TWO STORY BUILDING, UH, WITH A FLAT ROOF, MIDDLE PORTION, AND THEN GABLE ROOFS AT THE TWO ENDS.
THE HHA BUILDING HERE HAS A LITTLE BIT LESS OF A PRESENCE WITH THE, UH, UM, MAIN PORTION OF THE BUILDING BEING RECESSED.
UH, BUT IT COULD BE, DEPENDING ON THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, UH, WOULD BE INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINION AS TO HOW THAT RELATES TO THE, TO THE STREET.
UM, ONE SUGGESTION WAS WHETHER THIS ELEMENT COULD BE PULLED FORWARD.
ANOTHER SUGGESTION WAS WHETHER PERHAPS THIS COULD BE THE THREE STORY SECTION TRANSITIONING TO TWO CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WORKS WITH THE FUNCTIONS OF THE BUILDING, BUT SOMETHING TO
UM, AND SO WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
ONE IS WHETHER THE PROPOSALS USES AND DENSITY ADEQUATELY TO RESPOND TO ENVISION DUBLIN AND THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN.
WHY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THIS PARTICULAR SITE CONTEXT? BECAUSE WE OBVIOUSLY HIGHLIGHTED THE ITEMS THAT DO NOT MEET THE, UH, TECHNICALLY THE, THE CRITERIA.
AND THEN DOES THE PROPOSALS AND MASSING RESPOND TO THE SPECIFIC SITE AND IT'S, UH, IT'S ADJACENT STRUCTURES.
UM, IF YOU FEEL THAT THE FIRST TWO, UM, MEET THE CRITERIA, THEN DOES THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT COMPLY WITH THE CORRIDOR SPECIAL AREA PLAN? IN YOUR, YOUR OPINION, AND AGAIN, YOUR OPINION ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND APPROACH AND ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS YOU MAY HAVE, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
OKAY, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION NOW FOR QUESTIONS.
MR. GARVIN, LET'S START WITH YOU THIS TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, WOULD YOU BRING UP THE, THE QUESTIONS, ACTUALLY THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? SO MY QUESTIONS, I GUESS, ARE KIND OF AROUND YOUR REACTION TO, I MEAN, I'M SURE YOU'VE NOTICED THE DENSITY'S MUCH HIGHER SQUARE FOOTAGE PER ACRE, UM, THAN RECOMMENDED.
UH, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, NOT HAVING A PRIMARY USE FIRST FOR SENIOR CARE SENIOR LIVING, UH, IN THE AREA.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES AROUND MAKING SOMETHING TRULY MIXED JUICE ON THIS SITE, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, IS THERE A WAY, IN YOUR OPINION, TO BREAK UP THOSE BUILDINGS AND AND TO SPREAD THEM OUT AT ALL? UH, OBVIOUSLY, SORRY, I RAMBLE ON MY QUESTION.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT THE SCHOOL NEXT DOOR, WHICH GIVES YOU A LITTLE LEEWAY, IN MY OPINION, FOR A LARGER MASS.
BUT, UM, DO YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT ROOM TO GET ANY CLOSER TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE RECOMMENDATIONS? YEAH, IF WE BREAK IT DOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S TOUGH TO VISUALIZE WITH THE CURRENT, UM, PROGRESS OF THE IMAGES SO FAR, BUT, UH, WHAT OUR VISION IS FOR THIS BUILDING WHERE WE'RE STEPPING BETWEEN A TWO STORY AND A THREE STORY BUILDING IS TO ARCHITECTURALLY DESIGN IT SO THAT IT DOES LOOK LIKE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS IN A ROW.
UM, THE CHALLENGE WITH SEPARATING THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS THAT IT DOES FUNCTION FOR SENIORS IN A WAY.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THIS IMAGE HERE, THE THREE STORY ON THE NORTH IS, IS WHAT WE CALL INDEPENDENT LIVING.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT ITS OWN DINING PROGRAM, ITS OWN AMENITIES.
AS WE TRANSITION SOUTH, WE GET INTO ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE.
AND SO HAVING THOSE UNDER ONE ROOF IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN OUR VIEW FOR OPERATIONS STAFFING, THE FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING IS A RESIDENT MIGHT TRANSITION FROM ONE CARE LEVEL TO THE OTHER.
BUT ARCHITECTURALLY I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES LOOKING AT THIS IS HOW ARE WE GONNA VISUALIZE THIS LONG BUILDING? I HAVE REALLY HIGH CONFIDENCE IN OUR DESIGN TEAM THAT THEY'RE GONNA DESIGN SOMETHING HERE THAT'S GONNA LOOK REALLY INTERESTING FROM EMERALD ROAD, BUT ALSO AS YOU PROGRESS NORTH THROUGH THE SITE, THAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE MULTIPLE STRUCTURES.
YEAH, I'D SUGGEST YOU COULD STILL CONNECT THE BUILDINGS IN A WAY THAT'S
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LESS IMPACTFUL.UM, ALONG, UH, YOUR POINT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CARE CURRENTLY YOU'VE GOT, LOOKS LIKE THE MEMORY CARE COURTYARD IS CLOSEST TO EMERALD PARKWAY, I ASSUME FROM THE NATURE OF MEMORY CARE THAT THAT'LL NEED TO BE CLOSED OFF.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE, I'VE GOT THE DOTTED LINE HERE.
ARE YOU ENVISIONING SOME KIND OF JUST FENCE THERE THAT FACES THAT SIDE AND, AND I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, DO YOU THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO INVERT THOSE HAVE INDEPENDENT LIVING, WHICH MAY NEED A LITTLE BIT LESS, SLIGHTLY LESS SECURITY AND COULD GIVE YOU MORE VISUAL OPTIONS ON EMERALD ROAD? IS THERE A POTENTIAL TO INVERT THOSE? SURE.
THE WAY WE TREAT MEMORY CARE COURTYARDS IS, UM, WE DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE TO DO FENCING THAT THAT CAN'T BE SEEN THROUGH.
SO THE VISION THERE WOULD BE, UM, LIKE A, A METAL ORNATE FENCING WITH HEAVY LANDSCAPING.
UM, WE COULD LOOK INTO INTEGRATING THE BUILDING MATERIALS AS A BASE FOR THAT FENCE SO THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ATTRACTIVE AS YOU PULL IN THE SITE.
YEAH, I GUESS, I GUESS WHERE IT COMES FROM A LITTLE BIT OR WHAT MAY CAUSE ISSUES FOR YOU IS YOU'VE GOT IT ORIENTED A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS THIS ROAD THAT THAT DOESN'T EXIST YET.
AND I DON'T WANT THE MAIN FRONTAGE ON THE BUSIEST ROAD TO BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
UM, I, THAT'S MORE OF A COMMENT.
UM, AND THEN FOR BASSAM, IS THERE, I KNOW THE 9,500 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE, IS THERE ALSO A SUGGESTION THAT BUILDINGS SHOULDN'T BE OVER 9,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE AREA AS IT WAS REFERENCED AT ONE POINT? SO THAT, THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE FOR, AS YOU THE INTENDED USE, THE VISION AS, UH, TAKING INTO WHAT THE, UH, I'M SORRY.
UH, THE, THE COMMUNITY PLANT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE, UH, USES THAT TRAFFIC, UH, GENERATION AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT COME WITH, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS CASE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE USES.
SO, UH, IT SETS THAT, UH, DENSITY SUGGESTION BASED ON SOME OF THOSE ANTICIPATED USES.
I THINK WITH THE, UH, WITH THE BEACON PROJECT, UH, THAT ONE IS ACTUALLY 26,000 SQUARE FEET PER, UH, UH, PER ACRE.
AND IN THAT CASE, I THINK THE USE ITSELF WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE IT'S A LOW TRAFFIC GENERATOR.
AGAIN, IN THAT CASE IT WAS, MOST OF THE BUILDINGS WERE A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY AND, UH, UH, CLUSTER IN A, IN A DIFFERENT FASHION.
BUT, UH, THAT'S I BELIEVE WHERE THE 9,500 SQUARE FEET CAME FROM.
UM, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR NOW, MR. ALEXANDER.
UH, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MR. DORSEY.
WILL YOU AS A PART OF THE SALE, AND I'M ASSUMING YOU HAVEN'T PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY YET? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
WILL YOU BE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST AS WELL? NO.
SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY CONTROL THEN THAT ACCESS THE, THE FUTURE ACCESS TO THE EAST MM-HMM
AND THEN THE, UH, STAFF REPORT BASSAM, AND YOU SHOULD CORRECT ME IF I, I MISREAD THIS, BUT YOU, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, OR, OR SARAH DID A WATER LINE COMING FROM THE EAST REQUIRING AN EASEMENT? YEAH, THERE ARE, I BELIEVE THERE ARE UTILITIES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND WITH SOME EASEMENT THAT CAME INTO PLAY ALSO WITH THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL IN TERMS OF WHERE IT MADE THE MOST SENSE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE SUGGESTING THAT THE EXACT LOCATION OF SOME OF THESE THINGS MAY NEED TO BE, UH, MORE FLEXIBLE TO ACCOMMODATE.
SO THE POTENTIAL FOR ANY EASEMENT OR FOR THIS ACCESS IS UNKNOWN? IT NEEDS TO BE, IT'LL BE, NEED TO BE NEGOTIATED WITH THAT LANDOWNER, CORRECT? WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY PROPOSING THAT THERE IS ACCESS ACROSS THEIR PARCEL TO THE EAST AT THIS POINT.
I BELIEVE THE WAY IT WOULD WORK IS THAT A COMMITMENT WOULD BE MADE THAT WE WOULD GRANT AN EASEMENT FOR FUTURE ACCESS, AND THEN AS THAT PARCEL DEVELOPED, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CONNECT IN.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST SOWING CONCEPTUALLY THAT WE'RE OPEN TO THE CONNECTIVITY THAT WE KNOW IS IMPORTANT BETWEEN BOTH THE 18 ACRES AND THE 16 ACRES IN THE FUTURE.
UM, HAVE YOU INCORPORATED, SINCE IT'S PART OF THE, THE, NOT GUIDELINES, BUT RECOMMENDATIONS YOU'VE SEEN FOR THE AREA, ANY SUSTAINABLE FEATURES IN THE PROJECT? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN PLEASE? HAVE YOU INCORPORATED ANY SUSTAINABLE FEATURES IN THE PROJECT? UM, YEAH, WE'RE AWARE OF THE LIST OF THOSE THINGS.
THEY'RE NOT INCORPORATED AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO INTEGRATE IN FUTURE STAGES.
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED OTHER WAYS, AND MAYBE THIS IS EARLY, BUT YOU'VE HEARD THE
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RESISTANCE, THE COMMUNITY HASN'T SUPPORTED DETACHED GARAGES.HAVE YOU SU HAVE YOU, KNOWING THAT ARE, ARE YOU OPEN TO OTHER WAYS OF DESIGNING THOSE? UM, YES.
I THINK COVERED PARKING IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, OUR PREFERENCES STRONGLY JUST BASED ON OPERATIONS.
THE, THE DETACHED GARAGES ARE HIGHLY DESIRABLE BY SENIORS.
UH, PRIVATE SPACE, UM, THERE'S DOWNSIDES.
YOU HAVE TO WALK ACROSS THE PARKING LOT, RIGHT? WE, WE HAVE INTEGRATED PARKING WITHIN THE BUILDING AS A TUCK UNDER THE BUILDING.
UM, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UM, IN, IN A LOT OF LOCATIONS IT'S, IT'S NOT, IN OUR VIEW, IT'S JUST NOT AS SENIOR FRIENDLY.
UH, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO TO CONSIDER THAT FOR THIS LOCATION TOO, IF THE DETACHED GARAGES ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY FINDS ACCEPTABLE.
AND THIS IS SORT OF A LOADED QUESTION, BUT THIS FOLLOWS ON DAN'S, DAN'S COMMENT.
WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER THE FRONT DOOR OF THIS? WHAT'S THE FRONT OF THIS? YEAH, SO THE, THE CARE LEVELS ARE THE, THE, THE FRONT DOOR THAT YOU SEE RIGHT OFF OF THE PROPOSED PRIVATE ROUNDABOUT AT THE CENTER OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE A PROMINENT PORTIER, UM, UH, MOTOR COURT THAT YOU WOULD TURN INTO.
SO WHEN YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE NOT A, A CURRENT RESIDENT OF THE BUILDING, THAT'S THE ENTRANCE THAT YOU'LL GO TO.
UH, WE'LL HAVE LESS PROMINENT ENTRIES AROUND THE BUILDING FOR RESIDENTS AND STAFF THAT ENTER INTO THE PARTICULAR CARE LEVELS.
UM, SO THERE IS, IF YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH FROM THAT ROUNDABOUT ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THAT BUILDING, WE WOULD DO A SMALLER ENTRY INTO THE BUILDING THAT WOULDN'T BE AS PRONOUNCED.
UM, SO THE WAY THAT THE, THE SITE WOULD FUNCTION OVERALL, IF SOMEONE'S GONNA ENTER THE SITE AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE SIGNAGE THAT PULLS YOU TO THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING, AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF OUR AMENITIES IN SALES SPACE WOULD BE LOCATED.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, I WAS, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN BUILDING THESE AROUND THE MIDWEST, UM, DOES IT SEEM LIKE THE VILLAS ARE, UH, FAR AWAY FROM THE MAIN AMENITIES? IS THAT SEEM LIKE A LONG WALK FOR PEOPLE, UH, WITH THE WI MIDWEST AND WINTERS AND SO FORTH? ARE YOU ANTICIPATING WALKING MORE THAN DRIVING AND IS THAT THAT A LONG DISTANCE? YEAH, IT IS.
I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE A, A CONCERN WITH THAT.
OPERATIONALLY, UH, THE WAY THOSE VILLAS FUNCTION IS WE ACTUALLY DO MEAL DELIVERY TO THEM IF THEY DON'T WANT TO COME TO THE BUILDING.
AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE SHOWING ON THIS ONE, BUT ON, ON A PRIOR ITERATION, WE WERE ACTUALLY SHOWING GOLF CART PARKING.
AND SO THOSE STAFF WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR TRANSPORTATION.
WE'LL HAVE A BUS AND A, AND A CADILLAC, BUT WE'LL ALSO HAVE A GOLF CART THAT STAFF COULD TRANSPORT RESIDENTS BACK AND FORTH, OR RESIDENTS COULD HAVE THEIR OWN GOLF CART FOR INTERNAL, UM, FOR INTERNAL USE.
I GUESS THAT MAKES ME THINK ABOUT GOLF CARTS IN THE CITY.
'CAUSE WE HAVE CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF WHAT TYPE OF GOLF CARTS, WHICH ARE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE ON, UM, AT, YOU KNOW, AT GOLF WHEN YOU'RE GOLFING.
YEAH, I, I THINK THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE ON A PUBLIC STREET OR A PRIVATE DRIVE.
SO THAT WOULDN'T, THAT WOULDN'T COUNT IF LIKE, I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WINDSHIELD.
IS THAT ONLY IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ON A PUBLIC STREET, THEN? I, I BELIEVE SO.
I MEAN THAT, I OBVIOUSLY, IF IT PROGRESSES TO THAT, WE, WE LOOK AT THOSE DETAILS, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
IS THERE, THERE'S NO BUFFERING ON BRIGHT ROAD, IS THAT CORRECT? AND SO WOULD YOU CONTIN, WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT BUFFERING? UM, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? POSSIBILITY? UM, YEAH, CERTAINLY.
UM, AND I, I KNOW THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORS IN PARTICULAR.
I, I BELIEVE THERE'S, THE TRAIL IS PARTIALLY BUILT.
THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL BUFFERING.
UM, WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IS SIGNIFICANT BUFFERING, A TALL BERM, LOTS OF LANDSCAPING EVERGREENS.
AND THEN JUST BASED ON SOME OF THE TEXT THROUGHOUT THE EMERALD CORRIDOR PLAN AND THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE NEAT TO INTEGRATE THAT EQUESTRIAN FENCING TO CREATE THAT ROW.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY THAT KIND OF CONTINUES THE THEME DOWN THE STREET AS SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR.
WOULD YOU HAVE A SIGN ON BRIGHT ROAD, UH, TALKING ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS, OR WOULD THAT PRIMARILY BE ON ANOTHER YEAH, THE, THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE WOULD BE EMERALD PARKWAY, UM, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE GATE.
WE WE'RE REALLY VIEWING BRIGHT ROAD AS EMERGENCY ONLY.
AND OPERATIONALLY, I PERSONALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, OR THAT THE PRIMARY ACCESS IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED.
AND THAT'S BASED ON WHAT BASSEM MENTIONED IS THE, THE INTENSITY OF THIS USE IS REALLY LOW.
LIKE YOU DO HAVE STAFF TURNOVER A COUPLE TIMES A DAY, YOU HAVE A FEW VISITORS DURING THE DAY, BUT THERE'S NOT REALLY AN INTENSE TRAFFIC USE ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
UM, OUR VISION FOR BRIGHT ROAD WOULD BE EITHER NO ACCESS AT ALL, OR THAT GATE WOULD BE A KEY FOB JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE VILLAS.
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HAVE ACCESS OFF BRIGHT ROAD IF THEY SO CHOOSE TO USE IT.SO IT FEELS A LITTLE MORE PRIVATE, BUT WE'RE NOT ENVISIONING THAT, YOU KNOW, DELIVERIES OR OUR, EVEN OUR RESIDENTS THAT, THAT DRIVE OR OUR TRANSPORTATION, OUR BUS OR CADILLAC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR USING BRIGHT ROAD AT ALL.
AND, UM, THE BUILDING, UH, WOULD IT BE HIGHER THAN THE SCHOOL AT THIS POINT? THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
I ACTUALLY ASKED BASSAM THAT YESTERDAY.
UM, OUR MAX BUILDING HEIGHT, I THINK IS 53 FEET CURRENTLY, UM, WITH AN AVERAGE OF LIKE 42 FEET.
UM, THAT I, I'M SURE IT'S NOT FAR OFF, BUT I DO INTEND TO CALL THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, OUR WALL HEIGHTS ARE TYPICALLY TEN, TEN NINE, AND THEN YOU HAVE A ROOF STRUCTURE.
UM, I WOULD GUESS THAT THE ROOF OR THE, THE SCHOOL'S WALL HEIGHTS ARE MORE PER FLOOR AND THEN IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
YEAH, I'M FOLLOW UP WITH THAT QUESTION.
DO WE, DO WE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? WHAT THE SCHOOL HEIGHT IS? WE, WE WERE GONNA CHECK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THEY HAVE THOSE RECORDS THAT JUST DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE BETWEEN THE TIME THAT WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND, AND NOW TO CHECK.
SO WE, WE RUN INTO THE, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, SORRY.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOU'VE CLEARLY LISTENED TO THE PRO, LISTENED TO US.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE FOLLOWING OUR PROCESS AND THIS IS THIS, AGAIN, PROOF THAT OUR PROCESS WORKS, AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO A REALLY, REALLY GOOD SPOT, SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR EFFORTS THERE.
UM, REGARDING THE HEIGHTS THOUGH, SO WE HAVE SAY, WE'LL TALK FOUR STORIES, BUT IT'S FOUR STORIES PLUS A GABLE.
SO IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE RUN INTO THAT THING WHERE WE SAY, OKAY, THREE TO FOUR STORIES, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY EVEN TALLER THAN THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A, HAVE A QUITE A, QUITE A SIGNIFICANT PITCH ON THIS ROOF, SO WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT.
I KNOW 53 FEET HIGH IS, IS IS PRETTY HIGH.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER FLAT ROOF FOR THIS? I KNOW IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL AND IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT WOULD THAT BE A POTENTIAL SOLUTION TO THE HEIGHT CONCERNS? YEAH.
AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, MOST OF THIS ROOF ENDS UP BEING FLAT ANYWAY FOR MECHANICAL YARD.
UM, WE WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT.
LIKE WE TEND TO, UH, REVERT TO PITCHED ROOF JUST BECAUSE WE DO WANT THAT RESIDENTIAL LOOK.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A LIBRARY.
WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, LOOK LIKE THE SCHOOL.
HONESTLY, WE WANT THE, THE RESIDENTS TO FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THIS SPACE.
UM, BUT I THINK MIXING SOME OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SHED ROOFS WITH FLAT ROOFS AND TO THE POINT ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE MASSING ON THIS BUILDING IS APPROPRIATE, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ONE BIG LONG BUILDING, WE CAN PLAY WITH THOSE ROOF HEIGHTS AND ROOF TYPES SO THAT THE STRUCTURE DOES LOOK A LOT MORE INTERESTING AS YOU'RE, YOU'RE FLOWING THROUGH THE SITE TO THE NORTH.
UH, AND, AND THEN ALONG THE, UM, KINDA ALONG THE SAME LINES, THE, THE EMERALD ELEVATION IN QUESTION AND OB BASSON BROUGHT IT UP ABOUT MAYBE PULLING THAT, WE'LL CALL IT THE CENTER CORE PIECE, UM, TO, TO REDUCE THE, THAT MEMORY CARE COURTYARD.
DID YOU CONSIDER THAT BEING, UH, THE EMERALD PARKWAY FACADE BEING ONE ELEVATION AND MAYBE PUTTING THE COURTYARD ON THE, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE? SURE.
WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY STUDY THAT AS WE GET INTO DESIGN.
UM, SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD? UM, THE WAY THE, THE BUILDING STRUCTURED CURRENTLY IS THE INDEPENDENT LIVING HAS ITS OWN COURTYARD ON THE NORTHERN PORTION.
THE REASON THAT'S FLIPPED THAT WAY CURRENTLY IS BECAUSE WE WANT THAT TO INTEGRATE THOSE AMENITIES WITH THE VILLAS.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE INTERIOR COURTYARD IS, IT'S DECEIVING ON THE PAGE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A VERY LARGE, 75 FOOT WIDE, I BELIEVE, COURTYARD FOR ASSISTED LIVING IN THE MEMORY CARE ON THE SOUTH.
BUT WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO TO CLOSING THAT IN.
WE'VE, WE'VE DONE ENCLOSED COURTYARDS FOR MEMORY CARE BEFORE WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY WRAPPED WITH THE BUILDING SIMILAR TO THE ASSISTED LIVING COURTYARD.
UM, AND NO DOUBT, LOUD AND CLEAR, WE WILL STUDY THE ENDS OF THAT BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, I'M ENVISIONING LOTS OF GLASS, LOTS OF ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL, STONE AND MASONRY, SO THAT, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
LIKE I KNOW IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE ON THE PAGE NOW, IT'S THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BUT, UH, WE'LL PUT A LOT, A LOT OF EFFORT INTO MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S A, A REALLY INTERESTING AND UNIQUE PART OF THE BUILDING.
SO, SO THEN FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, DOES, DOES MEMORY CARE AND, AND, AND, AND I GUESS CARE STANDPOINT, DOES MEMORY CARE THAT COURTYARD NEED TO BE SEPARATE FROM IT DOES THE OTHER COURTYARD.
AND, AND THEN THE FINAL QUESTION, THE, THE ROUNDABOUT THAT, UM, IS, UH, I GUESS CONTINGENT ON THE ADJACENT PARCEL, WOULD YOU STILL DO THAT ROUNDABOUT IF WE DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS, SO IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A THREE WAY ROUNDABOUT AS OPPOSED TO FOUR? YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL DIG INTO THAT.
I KNOW STAFF, UM, WANTS TO DISCUSS THAT LOCATION.
EVEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE INTENTION BEHIND THAT WAS THINKING THROUGH LIKE ONCE THE 18 ACRES IS FULLY DEVELOPED OUT, THAT YOU WOULD COME OFF OF THE ROUNDABOUT THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS IN FRONT OF MOUNT CARMEL AND YOU WOULD FLOW RIGHT INTO THE FRONT OF OUR BUILDING.
AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FACILITATING THAT FUTURE TRAFFIC FLOW.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE INITIAL DESIGN IS, IS
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ACCOMMODATING MULTIPLE LOCATIONS SO THAT AS THE 18 ACRES DOES DEVELOP, THAT WE HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, FLEXIBILITY TO TIE IN WHERE IT ABSOLUTELY MAKES SENSE.IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE EXACTLY WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
WE JUST THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE NICE SINCE IT'S THE FRONT DOOR.
UM, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, WHEN DO YOU ENVISION BUILDING, PUTTING THAT IN? WOULD IT BE A, A TWO-WAY CIRCLE WHEN THE, YOUR PLOT IS DEVELOPED AND THEN YOU'D WAIT TO HOOK IT IN? OR ARE YOU JUST GONNA WAIT ENTIRELY TO BUILD IT? UM, RIGHT NOW, I, I WOULD ENVISION WE WOULD BUILD IT SORT OF AS IT IS, UM, MAKING SURE WE'RE COORDINATING WITH TRANSPORTATION AND STAFF TO, YOU KNOW, THAT IT MEETS A STANDARD THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR FUTURE CONNECTIVITY.
BUT THE WAY I'M TREATING IT RIGHT NOW IS, IS I JUST DON'T LIKE WHEN YOU ENTER A SITE AND YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
UM, AND SO RIGHT NOW WITH THE WAY WE WOULD ENVISION THAT IS WE WOULD BUILD IT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T SHOW THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE 18 ACRES TODAY, WE WOULD CURB THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE A FOCAL POINT FOR A PIECE OF ARTWORK OR, YOU KNOW, A, A STRUCTURE, UM, HEAVY LANDSCAPING, SOMETHING THAT REALLY LIKE, INTRODUCES THE FRONT DOOR TO WHOEVER'S ENTERING THE SITE.
AND THEN THEY WOULD UTILIZE THAT ROUNDABOUT TO THEN PULL INTO THE SITE, UM, AT THE FRONT DOOR IN THE, IN THE, THE GRAND PORT OF K SHARE.
THAT WOULD, WOULD BE RIGHT AT THAT SAME LOCATION.
UM, BASSAM, WHILE I'M TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW HERE, UM, THE I TWO 70 BRIDGE, I AM SO CONFUSED.
THAT'S, YOU SAID IT'S GOING FROM BRIDGE PARK TO WHERE, SO LET, LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET BACK.
I, I ACTUALLY PULLED UP GOOGLE MAPS TO TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.
YEAH, WE HAVE TO COME FROM TILLER.
SO THIS IS THE, AN EXCERPT FROM THE AREA, AND SO THE SITE IS HERE MM-HMM
AND RIGHT WHERE YOU SEE THAT NUMBER 11 AND THE ARROW, YOU CAN SEE A ROUNDABOUT.
SO THAT WOULD BE A BRIDGE THAT WOULD GO OVER TWO 70 AND THEN CONNECT DOWN TO BRIDGE PARK.
SO THEN YOU WOULD TRY TO HOOK INTO THAT TO THE, TO THAT ROUNDABOUT IN THE FUTURE? UH, THAT WOULD BE TO BE, TO BE DETERMINED BASED ON WHOEVER DEVELOPS THE 18 ACRES, BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE AND ABSOLUTELY.
UM, SO THAT IT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED.
BAAM, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHEN THAT BRIDGE IS GONNA BE BUILT? UM, I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE HAVE A TIMELINE.
DO YOU, UH, OR IT'S ASPIRATIONAL AT THIS POINT? IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT AND DESIGN AND, AND, UM, THERE'S BEEN A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN DEMOLISHED ON THE OTHER, OTHER SITES IN PREPARATION, BUT I DON'T, MORE THAN ASPIRATION.
WE ACQUIRED PROPERTY FOR IT AND WE'RE WORKING ON FUNDING OKAY.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY GOING IN AND, UH, YEAH, THE FEDERAL, YEAH.
SO IT SHOULD BE IN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS.
I WOULD ANTICIPATE, UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE PARKING WOULD BE HIDDEN BEHIND THE BUILDING, BUT IT LOOKS TO ME THAT IT'S NOT BEHIND A BUILDING.
I, I GUESS BEHIND IS IN THE EYE OF THE POSITION, BUT IS IT GONNA BE, I SEE SCREENING THERE, BUT IT, FROM THE EMERALD PARKWAY POINT OF VIEW, IT'S NOT BEHIND THE BUILDING, IT'S NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
THE THOUGHT BEING, I, I WOULD'VE TO DEFER TO BASSMAN WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS.
OUR, OUR THOUGHT WAS THAT BEHIND THE BUILDING WAS BEHIND THE BUILDING FACADE ON THE FRONT FACADE.
UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, UM, YOU KNOW, HEAVILY LANDSCAPE BOTH PORTIONS OF THOSE PARKING SO THAT YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, SEEING CARS AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN EMERALD PARKWAY.
AND THEN, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE INTENDING TO PRESERVE THE HEAVY TREE STANDS ON BOTH THE EAST AND THE WEST PORTIONS OF THE SITE.
SO I THINK YOUR SIGHT LINES, WHICH I THINK THE, THE PRESENTATION BEFORE US IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE WITH THE WAY THAT THEY HAD THE, THE SIGHT LINE VISUALS AND WILL CERTAINLY DO THE SAME THING FOR CONCEPT PLAYING STAGE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE BUILDING WILL LOOK LIKE FROM THE STREET.
UM, I'M, AND I'M ESPECIALLY CONCERNED OBVIOUSLY ABOUT THE WEST SIDE, WHERE THE SCHOOL IS AND HOW YOU'RE GONNA INTERFACE WITH THE SCHOOL.
UM, HAVE YOU MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS NORTH OF BRIGHT ROAD? NOT, YES, NORTH.
UM, WE HAVE, AND I, I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK.
UM, THE CONCERNS ARE, YOU KNOW WHAT, AND WE RESPECT THEM, IS WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA SEE VERSUS WHAT'S
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THERE NOW, WHICH IS VACANT, YOU KNOW, TREES AND GRASS.UM, SO WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO RESPOND TO THOSE COMMENTS.
WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, LEADERSHIP WITH THE, UM, EAST DUBLIN, UM, ASSOCIATION.
UM, AS WELL AS A FEW WEEKS AGO WE HOSTED A VIRTUAL SESSION WHERE WE, I THINK WE HAD 16 PARTICIPANTS AND WE, WE LISTENED AND WE RESPONDED.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, ROADWAY AND THAT WE NEED TO PRESERVE THAT RURAL CHARACTER.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE POSITION THE VILLAS THE WAY WE DID, SO THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SIDE OF THE VILLA, WHICH WILL BE ENHANCED FACING BRIGHT, BRIGHT ROAD.
AND AGAIN, SINGLE STORY STRUCTURES WERE ACTUALLY LOWER THAN SINGLE FAMILY ALLOWABLE DENSITY.
UM, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND CHANGES, YOU KNOW, HARD FOR EVERYBODY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EYE EARS WIDE OPEN AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO ADJUST THE REQUIREMENTS ALONG BRIGHT ROAD TO, TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE THAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S HAPPENING, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE DOING THAT.
UM, AND I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY IF I'M REPEATING THINGS.
I WAS NOT HERE THE LAST TIME YOU WERE SURE BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
UM, AND YOU HAD MENTIONED RESERVING LAND FOR THE MECHA, THE FOR FUTURE MEDICAL OFFICES.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT BEING THE EAST 18 ACRES OR SOME OTHER PORTION ON THIS PLOT? YEAH, WE WERE, I WAS REFERRING TO, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS BIG PICTURE FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION BACK IN DECEMBER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS A PRINCIPAL USE VERSUS A, A SUPPORTING USE? UM, AND WE WERE, WE WERE PRETTY PRINCIPAL AT THAT POINT,
SO, UM, WE'VE TAKEN THAT FEEDBACK.
AND THEN CONTEXTUALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 35 PLUS ACRES THAT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN AS NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE ON THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN, WE'VE NOW TAKEN A BACK SEAT TO WHAT WE WILL DEVELOP AS HOPEFULLY FUTURE MEDICAL OFFICE ON THE 18 ACRES ADJACENT TO US.
YEAH, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S MUCH ROOM IN YOUR YEAH, YEAH.
I DON'T WANT THE TREE STAND TO BE GOING TO MEDICAL OFFICES.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY FOR BASSAM, THIS IS A HARD QUESTION TO ASK, BUT WAS IT AN OVERSIGHT FOR ENVISION DUBLIN NOT TO HAVE ANY SENIOR INSTITUTIONAL CARE AS A PRIMARY USE? YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT.
I MEAN, IT'S, UH, SOMETIMES SENIOR HOUSING IS, UH, SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN INSTITUTIONAL FOR LIKE MEMORY CARE USES, FOR EXAMPLE, AND INDEPENDENT LIVING, WHICH IS UNDER, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES IN GENERAL.
SO I THINK WHEN THE, UH, PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT USES WITHIN THIS GENERAL AREA, UH, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF, UH, DIS GUY EVEN BEFORE ENVISION DUBLIN WAS, UH, FINALIZED ABOUT HOW THOSE TYPES OF USES, BECAUSE THERE IS A CERTAIN PROGRESSION, AS MR. DORSEY MENTIONED, AND I THINK THAT CAME UP WITH THE BEACON PROJECT AS WELL, WHERE THERE IS, UH, SOMEWHAT OF A LIFECYCLE PROGRESSION THAT THAT LENDS ITSELF TO SOME OF THE INSTITUTIONAL ADJACENCY, IF YOU WILL.
SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN AN OVERSIGHT THAT WE DID NOT VERY SPECIFICALLY MENTION THOSE, BUT I THINK IT WAS SOMEWHAT, UH, TO BE INTERPRETED AS, UH, AS A SITE, UH, SPECIFIC CONTEXT.
'CAUSE IT'S, I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO COUNSEL TO INCLUDE THE SENIOR PROGRESSION AND I'M DEALING WITH NOW WITH MY IN-LAWS, SO I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO IT.
UM, BASSAM, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A ROAD THAT GOES FROM EMERALD PARKWAY TO BRIGHT ROAD AS, AS A PART OF A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS? THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT.
AND, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT MORE IF THIS THING PROGRESSES.
UM, I THINK, AGAIN, THE INTENT IS THAT THE INTERSECTION WITH BRIGHT ROAD WOULD BE, UH, GATED OR LIMITED.
'CAUSE YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE A CUT THROUGH, UH, AVENUE THERE.
BUT I, I WOULDN'T SAY THERE'S A REQUIREMENT, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT SOMETHING.
WOULD, WOULD IT BE A FIRE ACCESS REQUIREMENT? IS THAT WOULD BE THE, I WOULD BELIEVE THAT FIRE WOULD WANT SOME SORT OF ACCESS.
AND, AND IF YOU HAD THE, THIS OTHER SPUR THAT GOES TO THE EAST, THAT WOULD, WOULD THAT SATISFY THE FIRE TO TWO MEANS OF ACCESS? I, I THINK TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THE QUESTION BECOMES THEN OF TIMING, BECAUSE IF THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN THE IMMEDIATE, UH, FUTURE, THEN I BELIEVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GONNA STILL NEED SOME OTHER WAYS TO GET TO THE SITE.
AND IF THE ROAD DIDN'T GO THROUGH, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S THIS THROUGH ROAD, COULD YOU HAVE CIRCULATION THROUGH THE PARKING LOT THAT WOULD STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF FIRE ACCESS? I BELIEVE SO.
I THINK THERE'S, UH, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE OBVIOUSLY A MORE CAREFUL STUDY OF THAT, AND THEN THE BALANCE IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD FUNCTION BEST, WHAT WOULD LOOK BEST AT THAT POINT.
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WE'VE, WE'VE HAD OTHER PROJECTS WHERE YOU ARE PROVIDING THAT THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, SOMETIMES WITH, WITH THE WIDTH OF THOSE, UH, ACCESS EYES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PUT, ESPECIALLY WITH TALLER BUILDINGS, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THEIR OUTRIGGERS.AND SO WHETHER THAT, UH, STARTS GETTING IMPACTED, IF THERE ARE CARS PARKED IN THE PARKING LOT OR OTHERWISE WOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, IT JUST CREATES A LOT OF PA PAVEMENT,
THAT MAYBE COULD BE UNNECESSARY.
TURNING TO THE APPLICANT, UM, IS, IS HAVE YOU LOOKED AT A SCENARIO WHERE YOU, THE VILLAS HAD ACCESS OFF OF BRIGHT ROAD BUT DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE SOUTH, AND THAT THE MAIN BUILDING WAS ON IT KIND OF HAD ITS OWN LOOP AND THAT MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF A, A SERVICE PATHWAY BETWEEN THE TWO? I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF MOVEMENT YOU NEED THERE OTHER THAN PEOPLE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, GOLF CARTS, WHATEVER, COULD THAT, COULD THAT CIRCULATION BE SEVERED AND SERVICE DIFFERENTLY? YEAH, IT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT.
I'VE NOT THOUGHT OF THAT YET, BUT OPERATIONALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VE VEHICLE TRACK BETWEEN THE TWO IS NOT REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.
SO WE WOULD WANNA THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING TO THINK ABOUT, AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY PLAN SHOWS THAT AS, YOU KNOW, LIKE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THINKING OF IT AS A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, I THINK IS AN INTERESTING WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
YEAH, I THINK AS LONG AS WE HAD THAT KIND OF A ROBUST PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY BETWEEN THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS THAT, UM, HONESTLY IT MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA.
UH, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE THING, SORRY.
ONE, ONE THING I NEGLECTED TO MENTION AS YOU, I'M GUESSING YOU'RE GETTING READY TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, IS WE DID INCLUDE IN YOUR PACKET SOME OF THE, UM, UH, FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT THROUGH THE EAST DUBLIN CIVIC ASSOCIATION WHERE THEY COLLECTED FEEDBACK FROM SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE AWARE THAT WE PROVIDED THAT TO YOU, AND THEN, UH, ALLOW THEM TO COMMENT.
THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT.
AND YES, I WOULD LIKE TO END OUR QUESTIONS AND I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO PUBLIC COMMENT SO YOU CAN SIT DOWN NOW.
AND, UH, ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO TESTIFY TONIGHT, PLEASE STEP UP THE MICROPHONE, TURN ON, MAKE SURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON.
I RESIDE AT 4,200 BRIGHT ROAD.
MY PROPERTY WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE PICTURES SHOWN IN, IN, UH, ONE OF THE, THE IMAGES THAT WAS SHOWN.
UM, SO I KINDA WANTED TO START WITH, UM, WHAT I FIRST READ WHEN WE MOVED INTO THIS AREA AND WHEN WE ENVISIONED, UH, WHAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND THAT'S, THE BRIGHT ROAD INCORPORATES A VERY DISTINCTIVE RURAL RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.
UM, AND ALL EFFORTS SHOULD BE MADE TO MAINTAIN THE QUAINT CHARACTER OF THE AREA'S, NEIGHBORHOODS.
ROAD ACCESS FOR RESIDENTS SHOULD BE IMPROVED WHILE DISCOURAGING THROUGH TRAFFIC.
UM, SO A LOT OF MY CONCERNS AROUND THIS ARE, UM, REALLY THE, THE DEGRADATION TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER THAT THIS, THIS FACILITY THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD, WOULD CREATE.
UM, THIS IS REALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, FROM MY HOME WHERE MY CHILDREN'S BEDROOMS FACE, UM, HOPEFULLY GET, I'M GETTING IN A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE FROM MISSING BEDTIME RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS SPARSELY POPULATED.
IT'S QUIET STREETS, UM, PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT DREW OUR FAMILY TO THIS VERY UNIQUE PART OF DUBLIN THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS VERY UNIQUE TO DUBLIN.
AND, AND THERE ARE VERY FEW NE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THIS IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT DREW DREW OUR FAMILY TO, TO MOVING HERE.
UM, AND ADDING THIS COMMERCIAL, UM, FACILITY TO THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA JUST DOES NOT SEEM IN LINE WITH, WITH HOW WE ENVISION A, THIS BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD, THESE QUIET STREETS, AND AGAIN, JUST OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
UM, ONE PARTICULAR CONCERN IS THE, THE GATED ENTRANCE.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
WITH A FACILITY LIKE THIS, THIS IS GONNA BE ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS OFTENTIMES THESE GATED ACCESS ARE ACTIVATED BY SIRENS, BY HORNS, WHICH WOULD BE FEET FROM MY CHILDREN'S BEDROOM AT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT.
JUST BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REALITY OF FACILITIES LIKE THIS IS, ARE GONNA GOING TO HAVE FREQUENT, YOU KNOW, VISITS FROM, FROM MEDICAL STAFF THAT, AGAIN, 24 HOURS A DAY.
UM, THIS ALSO, THE CONCERN IS, UM, MR. DORSEY ASSURED US AT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT THIS WOULD BE FOR EMERGENCY ONLY.
SO MY CONCERN, UM, FOR KIND OF THE ASSURANCES WE WERE GIVEN AS NEIGHBORS, THAT'S ALREADY CHANGED SINCE OUR, OUR LAST MEETING WITH, WITH MR. DORSEY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE IS THE PROMISES AND SOME OF THE THINGS HE TOLD US, THOSE HAVE ALREADY SHIFTED IN THIS, IN THIS SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, SO ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE PEACEFUL OUTDOOR SPACE, THE PLAY SPACE OF OUR YARD, THAT WOULD REALLY BE IN CONFLICT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, HOW I'VE ENVISIONED MY CHILDREN GROWING UP, PLAYING IN THIS YARD WOULD BE DOWN NEXT TO THIS LARGE RESIDENTIAL FACILITY WITH FREQUENT EMERGENCY ACCESS, FREQUENT DELIVERIES, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE, THE IMPACT OF THIS VERY DENSELY POPULATED AREA THAT'S IN OPPOSITION
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TO A, A, UH, OR A SPARSELY POPULATED AREA THAT'S IN OPPOSITION TO A DENSELY POPULATED NEIGHBORHOOD.UM, SO, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE, MY CONCERN WOULD ALSO BE TO THE LOSS OF MY PROPERTY VALUE.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD'VE PURCHASED A HOME IN THIS AREA KNOWING IT WHAT IS NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL FACILITY.
UM, THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S A SLIGHT CONCERN OF MINE.
BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS REALLY THE LOSS OF, UM, QUALITY OF LIFE THAT OUR, THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD FEEL THAT OUR NEIGHBORS WOULD FEEL, THAT WE WOULD FEEL BASED ON THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S, I THINK MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN, MY BIGGEST OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT IS THAT IMPACT TO, TO MY FAMILY, TO MY CHILDREN, TO MY NEIGHBORS.
AND I THINK THAT'S VERY MUCH IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THIS PROJECT.
THANKS MR. DORSEY FOR BEING HERE AND LISTENING TO US.
BUT AGAIN, VERY MUCH AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
THE MICROPHONE IS ON, SO YOU JUST NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
THAT'S MY HOUSE AT THE TOP RIGHT CORNER THERE.
UM, SO I WOULD BE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM WHAT I PERCEIVE TO BE THE BACKSIDE OF THOSE VILLAS.
SO, UM, WE BOUGHT OUR HOME 20 YEARS AGO AND WE BOUGHT THIS HOME BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE SETTING.
I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT THREE, FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN DUBLIN THAT HAVE WHAT WE HAVE.
I'M SORRY, I'M NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER, I'M SHAKING.
UM, IT'S A UNIQUE FEELING WITH A RURAL SETTING COUPLED WITH CITY CONVENIENCES.
WE KNEW THE FIELDS WOULD EVENTUALLY BE DEVELOPED AND WE TRUSTED, UM, THAT THE CITY WOULD STICK TO THE PLAN THAT WE SAW FOREVER AGO.
UM, AND MOST RECENTLY IT WAS ADJUSTED A BIT FOR BEACON.
UM, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S NOT RIGHT ON TOP OF ANY RESIDENCES REALLY.
IT'S KIND OF CLOSE TO THE CONDOS, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY ON TOP OF ANYONE.
UM, SO THAT PLAN FOR AS LONG AS WE'VE BEEN THERE HAS CALLED FOR THAT PROPERTY ACROSS FROM US WHERE THE VILLAS ARE TO BE SINGLE HOME RESIDENTIAL.
AND I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THAT STAY.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE THAT BUFFER BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE AS ERIC SAID, IT WILL IMPACT OUR HOME VALUES.
UM, AND I I'M NOT EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA OF LOOKING OUT MY FRONT DOOR TO THE BACKSIDE OF SOMETHING
I THINK THREE STORIES IS TOO MUCH.
THE, THE PLAN HAS CALLED FOR ONE TO TWO.
I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE IT STAY THAT WAY.
UM, MY SON WORKED AS A DISPATCHER IN PICKERINGTON, AND HE'S WHERE WE LEARNED ABOUT WHAT'S CALLED A SIREN GATE.
FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IN PICKERINGTON, AT LEAST, IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE A SIREN GATE SO THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN GET IN QUICKLY.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEY HAVE TO RUN THEIR SIRENS FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE THEY APPROACH THE GATE, AND IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY OPEN THE GATE.
SO IT'S NOT A CODE OR A FOB OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT DUBLIN'S RULES ARE FOR THAT, BUT THE SIRENS ARE DEFINITELY A CONCERN.
UM, AT ONE POINT I, UH, I DREW UP MY OWN LITTLE PLAN AND I SENT IT TO AMY CRAM.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT GOES ALONG.
WHAT ARE PROPERTY LINES? AND WE'RE DEALING IN THIS AREA WITH THREE DIFFERENT PROPERTY LINES.
WE HAVE THE ONE HERE, WHICH INCLUDES THE ABANDONED HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, WHICH IS EVENTUALLY GONNA BE DEMOLISHED.
AND THEN THE BIG TO THE RIGHT, WHICH IS OWNED BY THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE OUR CITY THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX A LITTLE BIT.
LIKE QUITE LITERALLY, IF WE COULD PUT RESIDENTIAL ALONG THE TOP ALONG BRIGHT ROAD AND THEN ALLOW THE COMMERCIAL TO HAVE ALL OF EMERALD USING THAT NATURAL BUFFER OF THE STREAM BED, I THINK THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE.
I THINK THAT BENEFITS THE CITY.
AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT OUR SCHOOLS ARE KIND OF CROWDED AND WE WORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT WE COULD FIND A COMMUNITY PROJECT.
I MEAN, A THIRD CITY POOL ON THIS SIDE OF THE CITY WOULD BE GREAT.
AND IF YOU MADE IT AN INDOOR POOL, DUBLIN DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
AND INDOOR POOLS BRING IN A LOT OF MONEY FOR COMPETITIONS RIGHT NOW.
EVERYONE'S GOING TO OHIO STATE AND SPENDING LOTS OF MONEY AT THAT INDOOR POOL.
DUBLIN CAN REALLY BENEFIT FROM THAT.
IT WOULD BRING PEOPLE TO BRIDGE PARK, TO THE HOTELS, TO THE RESTAURANTS.
THOSE ARE A BIG THING THAT'S LACKING IN OUR CITY.
AND IT WOULD BE A BETTER INPUT WITHOUT ADDING TO THE SCHOOLS.
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YOU.ANYONE ELSE? MICROPHONE IS ON.
HI, I'M RANDY ROTH, 6 9 8, 7 GRANDY CLIFFS DRIVE.
NOW I NEED TO PREFACE THIS BY SAYING I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE ASSOCIATION TONIGHT, AS I USUALLY DO.
I'M SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 40 YEARS THIS YEAR.
WE MOVED IN IN 1986 WHEN OUR SON WAS BORN TWO MONTHS LATER.
UM, AND IT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE.
UM, BUT I'M ALSO SPEAKING IN A MORE SERIOUS CAPACITY THAN I EVER HAVE TO THIS COMMISSION.
'CAUSE I WANNA SPEAK IN MY PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY AS WELL ABOUT THE CHALLENGES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS FACING RIGHT NOW.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT ON A HAPPY NOTE, UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY THIS WHOLE AREA IN THE FIRST COMMUNITY PLAN, THIS WAS ALL GONNA BE SINGLE FAMILY, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE COMMERCIAL TO THE EAST.
THEN THE COUNCIL SAID, WILL YOU, WE REALLY NEED MORE REVENUE.
WILL YOU SETTLE FOR FOUR ACRES TO FINISH OUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO FOUR ACRES OUT OF THIS, ESSENTIALLY ALMOST 40, RIGHT? AND NO, IT WAS NOT RENTAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM SENIOR HOUSING, IT WAS TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES FOR FAMILIES WITH KIDS LIKE OURS.
AND SO THAT YOU WOULD MATCH WHAT WAS NORTH ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN ACTUALLY CALLS FOR.
AND THIS IS IN EVERY MEETING THAT WE'VE HAD AND THEY'VE BEEN WELL ATTENDED.
AND WE, WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE MEETINGS.
THERE'S SO MUCH POSITIVE IN THIS, IN THIS PROPOSAL, BUT WE'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR.
WE REALLY NEED SOME MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALONG THAT AREA.
BUT I HATE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS, UM, PUBLICLY, BUT I FEEL THAT I HAVE TO, UM, IN MY PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY, I AM A CRIMINOLOGIST AT OHIO STATE.
UH, I STILL HAVE TROUBLE SEEING THE, AFTER 41 YEARS, I JUST CAN'T DO IT.
UM, AND, UM, I AM AN EXPERT ON THE OPIOID CRISIS AND I'M AN INTERN OF THE COLUMBUS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, MY COLLEAGUES AND I WORK WITH THE COLUMBUS PD ON THIS AND OTHER ISSUES.
UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU SPECIFICS BECAUSE I HAVE COMPLETE ACCESS TO ALL OF THEIR CRIMINAL RECORDS, DATA, ET CETERA, ON THE OPIOID CRISIS AND OTHER CRIMES.
AND I'M NOT AN INTERN OF THE COLUMBUS POLICE, UH, DUBLIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT THE OPIOID CRISIS HAS PUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN EXTREME DANGER.
NOW, YOU KNOW ABOUT THE BODY THAT WAS FOUND NEAR OUR PARK THIS PAST FEW WEEKS, BUT THAT'S THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE HAS HAPPENED IN COLUMBUS IN THE PAST, IS THAT WHERE YOU HAVE AN INTERCHANGE, UM, THAT IS WHERE DRUG DEALERS GO WHEN THEY'VE DAMAGED NEIGHBORHOODS AT THE INTERCHANGES BETWEEN 71 AND MORSE 71 AND 1 61 2 70 AND MORSE, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF DAMAGE.
AND THAT DAMAGE IS BEING DONE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, UM, AND YOU CAN SEE, I WAS JUST TALKING TO COLUMBUS PD AGAIN, THIS OR THE DUBLIN POLICE OFFICERS THIS WEEK, AND WE AGREED THAT, UM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE VULNERABLE ONE YOU WOULD GO TO WHEN YOU'RE DEALING DRUGS.
YOU WOULDN'T GO SOUTH OF THE INTERCHANGE, RIGHT? SAUL COMMERCIAL IS TOO BRIGHT.
YOU WOULDN'T GO DOWN BILLINGSLEY 'CAUSE IT'S TOO BRIGHT, TOO COMMERCIAL.
'CAUSE AT NIGHT WHEN THEY'RE DOING THESE DRUG DEALS, THEY'RE PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
IT'S, IT'S GOT THOSE SPEED BUMPS.
SO WHERE ARE THEY DEALING DRUGS? RIGHT NOW IT'S OUT OF THE NORTH PARKING LOT OF HOPEWELL ELEMENTARY.
NOW, I DON'T USUALLY SEE THAT.
I'VE SEEN IT TWICE, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING ON.
AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT I USUALLY WALK AT LIKE NINE O'CLOCK, SO I DON'T SEE IT.
THEY COME IN AFTER ON THE WEEKENDS OR AFTER THE, UM, AFTER THE CUSTODIANS HAVE GONE HOME AT ABOUT 10 DURING THE WEEK.
YOU SEE A CAR THERE THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, AND THEN SUDDENLY YOU SEE A CAR COME AT HIGH SPEED, DOWN BRIGHT ROAD, HIGH SPEED DOWN THAT DRIVEWAY, AND THEN THEY PARK NOSE TO TAIL, RIGHT? SO THEIR, THEIR DRIVER'S SIDE WINDOWS, THEY ROLL THEM DOWN QUICK EXCHANGE.
THE GUY WHO COMES IN LATE FIRST, LATE SECOND PEELS OUT.
AND THEN IT'S LIKE THEY GOT A STOPWATCH.
I WAIT 60 SECONDS SO WE DON'T HIT EMERALD PARKWAY AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THEN THEY PEEL OUT JUST LIKE THAT.
THE POLICE ARE AWARE OF THIS, UM, THEY'RE REALLY HELPING US.
COUNSEL IS TRYING TO HELP US, BUT TRYING TO STOP THIS IS TOUGH.
AND NOW WE'VE GOT A DEAD BODY.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED EYES ON THE STREET.
AND THAT I, AND YOU KNOW, I AM A CRIMINOLOGIST.
I KNOW BROKEN WINDOWS IS, IS CONTROVERSIAL
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AND WE HAVE A VERY BROKEN WINDOW IN THAT, THAT DRUG HOUSE THAT HAS BEEN CONDEMNED.YEAH, THEY PROBABLY INTRODUCED THESE PEOPLE DOUBLE TIME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE BEING PREYED ON.
BUT I THINK WHAT'S VERY IMPORTANT IS WE NEED REALLY BRIGHT OWNER OCCUPIED, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES WITH KIDS FACING THAT STREET RIGHT THERE.
EVEN IF YOU CAN JUST GIVE US, IF YOU CUT IT DOWN FROM FOUR ACRES TO JUST ONE SINGLE STRETCH OF HOMES, ONE LOT DEEP, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CREATE A KIND OF STRUCTURE THERE.
IT'S JUST TOO EASY TO HIDE IN THE PARK.
IT'S TOO EASY TO HIDE AT THE SCHOOL.
AND SO THIS IS REALLY DANGEROUS STUFF.
AND THEN I DID A STUPID THING AS A CRIMINOLOGIST JUST LAST WEDNESDAY.
WE SAW, I WAS TAKING MY WALK EARLY AND TWO GUY, TWO GUYS ARE THERE IN THE DARK WITH THEIR VEHICLES IN FRONT OF THE CONDEMNED HOUSE.
AND I, I WAS AWAY FROM THEM, BUT I SAID, HEY, YOU DON'T BELONG HERE.
AND BOY, THEY JUMPED IN THEIR CARS AND THEY GOT OUT OF THERE.
AND SO THIS IS THE KIND OF THING, BECAUSE WE'RE CLOSE TO THE, WE ARE PERFECTLY JUST LIKE THOSE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN COLUMBUS, WHICH I KNOW SO WELL, AS A CRIMINOLOGIST, WE ARE RIGHT.
BYWOOD PARKWAY, WE ARE RIGHT BY SAW MILL ROAD.
WE ARE RIGHT BY THE INTERCHANGE.
AND THIS IS WHERE YOU'D COME THINK ABOUT IT.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THEMAL PARKWAY, YOU WOULDN'T NOTICE THESE PEOPLE DIDN'T BELONG THERE.
'CAUSE DRUG DEALERS, WHAT DO DRUG DEALERS LOOK LIKE? PEOPLE HAVE IN AMERICA THINK THAT DRUG DEALERS ARE KINDA STRANGE.
THEY LOOK LIKE YOUR NEIGHBORS.
EVERY ONE OF THESE GUYS WHO'S DOING THIS IS A WHITE MALE BETWEEN THE AGES BETWEEN MID TWENTIES AND MID THIRTIES.
AND THEY'RE DRIVING LATE MODEL CARS, BETTER CARS THAN I DRIVE.
SO AND SO THEY JUST BLEND RIGHT IN.
THAT'S THE STRATEGY, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT, SO IF YOU COULD WRAP UP UP YOUR COMMENTS, YOU'RE WELL OVER YOUR THREE MINUTES.
PARDON? COULD IF YOU COULD WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS.
YOUR, YOUR RED LIGHT BLINKING, YOU'RE OVER YOUR THREE MINUTES.
WELL, I THINK WHAT I'M HAVING TO SAY IS IMPORTANT.
WELL, WE, WE GIVE, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE GIVE COMMENTS THREE MINUTES.
AND WE'VE GIVEN YOU PLENTY OF EXTRA TIME.
ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? THREE MINUTES.
PAY ATTENTION TO THE RED LIGHT.
I LIVE AT, FOR 42 84 MACDUFF PLACE.
I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE I WAS NINE YEARS OLD.
UM, I JUST, I WOULDN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, SINCE I WAS NINE, WE WOULD CAMP OUT IN THE BACKYARD AND WE WOULD LISTEN TO ALL THE NATURE, UH, IN THE BACKYARD.
SO I, I LAMENT THE LOSS OF, OF MORE, UH, MORE NATURE.
'CAUSE IT IS, IT IS A VERY UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, BUT IF IT'S GONNA BE THIS OR AN OFFICE SPACE, I THINK THIS IS GREAT.
IN FACT, UH, I'D SAY MAKE IT TALLER AND, UH, MAYBE PUT THE PARKING UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.
BUT I'D SAY THAT MAYBE, UH, AS A MILLENNIAL, 'CAUSE I'M, I'M HOPING TO FIND A SPOT IN DUBLIN.
I WANT MY KIDS TO GO TO, UH, UH, GO TO SCHOOL AT CIO JUST LIKE I DID.
UH, AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO FIND, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT NEW SPACE JUST BEHIND MY PARENTS' PROPERTY, UM, ACROSS THE CREEK.
WE'RE BUILDING OUT 14, UH, LUXURIOUS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT'LL BRING IN, UH, SOME DECENT PROPERTY VALUE.
AND I THINK THIS WILL INCREASE PROPERTY VALUE AS WELL.
UM, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, PEOPLE, MY GENERATION, THOSE OF US, WITH THE FINANCIAL MEANS TO DO SO, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OUR FAMILY A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO US.
SO IF WE COULD, UH, ENTICE, UM, THE OLDER GENERATION TO USE THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES, UH, AND MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM FOR US, UH, I, I'D PERSONALLY LOVE TO SEE THAT.
BUT FROM UH, A SOCIAL PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE GONNA SEE A LOT MORE FOOT TRAFFIC AT BRIDGE PARK, WHICH IS ALWAYS NICE.
HOPEFULLY A LITTLE BIT MORE USE OF THE PARK JUST DOWN THE ROAD.
UH, BUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IS THE, THE ONE I'M CON MOST CONCERNED WITH.
I I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE PONDS, UH, THE, UM, I USED TO BIKE THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME.
UH, BUT IF WE COULD SOMEHOW INCORPORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION THERE, UH, I JUST, I LOVE THE OWLS.
I LOVE HEARING THE, UH, UH, I LOVE THE ONE COYOTE WE HAVE IN THE BACKYARD.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA GO, BUT, UH, YEAH, UH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THE, UH, NEXT PLAN.
ANYONE ELSE? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? OKAY.
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GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD NOW, AND I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN POSED TO US TONIGHT.MR. GARVIN, YOU WANNA START? THANK YOU.
SORRY, JUST LOOKING FOR MY NOTES HERE.
I'VE, ALRIGHT, WELL, SO, UM, I THINK YOU'VE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM ME ON THE DENSITY.
UM, IT, IT PROBABLY IS, UH, A LESS IMPACTFUL DENSITY THAN IT COULD BE IF IT WAS STRAIGHT RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK, UH, IT'LL BE IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS THAT HEIGHTENED MASSING ON THE EMERALD PARKWAY SIDE, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, PUTTING A LOT OF ATTENTION INTO THE MATERIALS AND, AND THE TREATMENTS ON THAT SIDE.
UM, IN TERMS OF WHETHER THE SITE LAYOUT COMPLIES WITH THE CORRIDOR SPECIAL AREA PLAN.
UM, I, I THINK THAT HAVING THE ONE STORY KIND OF RANCH, UH, SENIOR OR, OR SORRY, UM, I GUESS THAT'S THE TERM, SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES ON THE NORTH END, THAT IS MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL USE THAN AN OFFICE USE.
I THINK THAT IT CAN HELP BLEND, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTO, UH, THE, I GUESS MORE OFFICE OR INDUSTRIAL USE OR, OR HOWEVER WE WOULD PHRASE THE MEMORY CARE INDEPENDENT LIVING ASSISTED LIVING SECTION.
UM, REACTING TO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC THOUGH, UH, I DO THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADJUST THE ANGLE OF SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS POTENTIALLY TO, UH, CREATE MORE OF A, A WAY THAT THEY FEEL CONNECTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET.
MAYBE FEEL MORE LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, AND CAN REACT TO, UH, BRIDGE STREET, UH, RATHER THAN BEING HIDDEN COMPLETELY BEHIND LANDSCAPING.
UM, IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, UH, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE MATERIALS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED AT THIS POINT.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHTS ON THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE, THE MASSING OF THE MAIN BUILDING.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE ORDERS ON THE EMERALD SIDE, IT NEEDS TO BLEND WITH THE SCHOOL.
WE NEED TO WORK ON WAYS TO BREAK THE BUILDING UP.
UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S POTENTIAL TO, UH, MAKE THE PARKING A LITTLE BIT LESS OF KIND OF A UNIFORM PERIMETER AGAIN WITHIN, UM, WITHIN, WITHIN KEEPING THE, THE USE OF THE BUILDINGS.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, AS WE MOVE NORTH INTO BRIGHT ROAD, I THINK THIS PROJECT WOULD NEED TO KIND OF TAKE IN THE, UH, RESIDENCE ACROSS THAT STREET.
AND LIKE I SAY, MAKE THE BUILDINGS REACT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT SIDE.
I DO THINK IN PARTICULAR THE COMMENTS WE HEARD ABOUT EMERGENCY ACCESS, KIM'S SUGGESTION ABOUT BREAKING UP THE STRAIGHT THROUGH LINE WOULD PROBABLY SEND MOST OF THAT EMERGENCY, UH, VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE EMERALD PARKWAY SIDE.
UH, I'M SURE THE MAJORITY OF REACTIONS WOULD BE TO THAT, THAT FACILITY VERSUS THE, UM, SENIOR LIVING, UM, SENIOR, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR CONDOS I GUESS THERE.
DOES THE, DOES DO THE PROPOSED USES AND DENSITY ADEQUATELY RESPOND TO ENVISION DUBLIN SPECIAL AREA PLAN AND SITE CONTEXT? UM, WELL, YOU CAN MAKE THE POINT THAT THE SUPPORTING USE IS, IS COVERED BY THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, THE INSTITUTIONAL AND ASSISTED LIVING.
I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO TALK ABOUT SITE CONTEXT HERE.
AND I THINK NOT HAVING OFFICE RESPONSE TO THE SITE CONTEXT, THE LARGER SITE, BECAUSE IF YOU EVER TRAVELED DOWN BRIGHT FROM SAWMILL, BOTH OF THOSE, UH, OFFICE COMPLEXES ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR TENANTS AND, AND WHAT HA SO IF WE WERE TO FORCE OFFICE IN THIS LOCATION, WE'RE FURTHER DISADVANTAGING THOSE, THOSE BUILDINGS.
SO I, I DON'T THINK IN THIS SENSE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LARGER SITE CONTEXT, UM, ELIMINATING THE OFFICE REQUIREMENT DOES MAKE SENSE.
THE HEIGHT AND MASSING, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE TWO, TO THE THREE TO TWO STORIES, UM, BECAUSE WITH, WITH THE FLAT, IF THE ROOF'S FLATTEN OUT A LITTLE BIT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, I THINK THE FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHT IN A RESIDENCE IS MUCH LESS THAN THE FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHT IN AN INSTITUTIONAL USE FOR A SCHOOL.
SO, YOU KNOW, TWO TO THREE STORIES IN THIS STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE
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LOWER THAN TWO STORIES IN A SCHOOL.SO I THINK THEY'RE COMPATIBLE IN THAT, IN THAT SENSE.
UM, THE, UM, AND IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE.
I CAN SEE THE STAFF REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION OF THE THREE STORY, THREE STORY OUT FRONT WHERE IT STEPS FROM THREE TO TWO TO ONE, UH, THAT I, I CAN SEE BOTH.
AND HAVING THE MASS IN THE MIDDLE WOULD NOT BE A REASON FOR ME TO VOTE DOWN ON THE PROJECT, UM, SPECIAL AREA PLAN.
NOW THAT'S, THAT'S THE AREA THAT'S A LITTLE FOGGY BECAUSE WE CALL FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND, AND I DO AGREE WITH DAN'S SUGGESTION THAT IF THOSE UNITS, THOSE DUPLEXES ON BRIGHT ARE TURNED SO THEY ALL FACE BRIGHT.
IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE, HAVE HOMES THAT ARE ENTERED FROM THE REAR WITH YOUR PARKING.
IN FACT, IT'S PRETTY COMMON IN SOME HOUSE TYPES.
BUT YOU HAVE WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE FRONT DOOR FACING BRIGHT ROAD, SO THAT WOULD PRESERVE THE CHARACTER THAT'S THERE.
IT WOULD ALSO, AND, AND THESE ARE SMALL, SO THESE DUPLEXES ARE THE CLOSE TO THE SIZE OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A RELATIVELY EASY ADJUSTMENT TO MAKE THIS, IN MY MIND, MORE COMPATIBLE WITH, UM, WITH NUMBER THREE, ITEM FOUR, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST MEETING, THAT THE STONE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
THE MASSING IS CLEARLY DERIVATIVE OF THE SCHOOL.
THE SCHOOL HAS THE TWO GABLE FRONTS AND THEN IT HAS MASS BETWEEN THEM.
NOW THE MASS COMES OUT FURTHER.
AND SO I THINK THE MASSING HERE IS TRYING TO, TRYING TO RELATE TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE SCHOOL.
BUT I DO THINK AS SOME OTHERS HAVE SUGGESTED THAT, THAT THAT MIDDLE SECTION COULD COME OUT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE MY QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S THE FRONT DOOR? WELL, YOU COULD ARGUE THAT THE SYMBOLIC FRONT DOOR IS WHAT EVERYBODY SEES WHEN THEY PASS, AND EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE SEEING THIS FROM EMERALD PARKWAY.
SO I THINK THE PRESENCE ON EMERALD PARKWAY IS, IS JUST AS IMPORTANT.
MAYBE MORE SO AS WHERE YOUR ROUNDABOUT IS.
UM, WE, THE THE OTHER THING THAT HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED UPON HERE, AND AND MAYBE THE ONE, UM, NEIGHBORS SORT OF ALLUDED TO IT, IS THIS MEETS A DEMAND IN THE COMMUNITY AND IT MEETS THE DEMAND AS, AS THOSE OF US AGE FOR MORE FACILITIES THAT ARE SMALLER IN SCALE TO PROVIDE THE CARE THAT WE NEED.
AND THE, THE OTHER, THE OTHER OPPORTUNITY THIS CREATES IS AS OUR RESIDENTS MOVE FROM THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THESE HOMES, THEN IT DOES FREE UP THE HOUSING STOCK FOR, FOR FAMILIES.
SO I THINK THE DEMAND IS HERE AND IT BENEFITS OUR COMMUNITY IN A LOT OF WAYS.
THE LAST POINT IS WE SUPPORTED THE BEACON AND, AND THIS IS LESS DENSE, LESS DENSE THAN THE BEACON.
SO IN FAIRNESS, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN NOT SUPPORT THIS WITH ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE WE SUPPORTED THAT PROJECT.
NO PROBLEM, MS. HARD, UH, THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER.
I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND UM, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT AS WELL TOO.
BUT, UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
I ATTENDED THAT 'CAUSE I LIVE IN THE AREA AND I THOUGHT YOU WERE VERY GOOD AT LISTENING TO ALL THE CONCERNS AND, UH, KEEPING THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, CONVERSATION OPEN, WHICH I THINK IS VERY, UH, HELPFUL AND IMPORTANT TO THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
AND WE CAN SEE THAT WHY WITH THE NEIGHBORS HERE TOO.
UM, THAT HELPS QUITE A BIT TOO, FOR SURE.
I AM, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT, A COUPLE DIFFERENT REASONS, AND I HEAR, YOU KNOW, MR. ALEXANDER SAYING WHICH, UH, UM, I APPRECIATE TODAY, BUT IF YOU GO INTO DRIVE IN THE BACK, IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU CAN SEE THE SCHOOL AND HOW HIGH IT IS IN THE BACKYARDS, AND THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER BUILDING WITH THAT.
AND SO WE HAVE TO BE, UM, COGNIZANT ABOUT THINKING ABOUT THAT AS WELL TOO.
UM, AND I, I LOOK AT BRIGHT ROAD, THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF CHANGES DONE TO BRIGHT ROAD JUST OVER THE, OVER THE LAST FIVE, SIX YEARS OR SO THAT USED TO BE REALLY A CUT THROUGH AREA TO RIVERSIDE AND THAT'S BEEN CLOSED OFF.
UM, IT'S ALSO A, A COMMUNITY AREA WHERE, UM, STUDENTS GO AND SO FORTH.
YOU HAVE THAT WHOLE BACK AREA AND SO FORTH.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT, UH, NEW NEIGHBORHOOD COMING IN AS WELL TOO.
KEEPING THE INTEGRITY OF IT, UM, I THINK IS, UM, BEEN REALLY, UM, GOING IN THAT DIRECTION FOR SURE
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TOO.SO WHEN I GET TO THE VILLAS, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T LIKE THEM AT THE SIDE.
I THINK THEY'RE WAY TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD, WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT WHEN THE SCHOOL WAS DEVELOPED WAS THAT THEY GAVE, THEY GAVE ALL THIS, UM, GREEN SPACE UP FRONT AND THEN THEY SIT IN THE BACK.
THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME KIND OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TOO.
AND THE LANDSCAPING HAS TO BE, UM, UP TO PAR AND JUST, JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF IT, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO SAY WHERE IT, UM, ENHANCES THAT AREA, UH, FOR SURE.
BUT AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND KEEPING THAT LOOK, THAT RURAL LOOK IS, UM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO ME.
UM, I GUESS I GET TO, YOU KNOW, THE MEDICAL OFFICES, I'M NOT READY TO GIVE UP ON THAT YET, JUST BECAUSE I DO THINK THERE IS THE HOSPITAL THAT'S OVER THERE AND THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND, AND I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE MEDICAL OFFICES HAPPENING, BUT, UM, MR. ALEXANDER BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND THAT MAY BE STRUGGLING THAT WAY TOO.
UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE EMERGENCY, UM, SAY VEHICLES COMING IN, THEY'RE NOT, TO ME, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE, UM, OUT EMERALD PARKWAY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TURN RIGHT.
AND THAT'S THE CLOSEST HOSPITAL.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO EITHER GO IN THE BACK AND LEAVE THAT WAY.
THEY MAY NOT COME IN THAT WAY, BUT THEY MAY BE LEAVING THAT WAY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
WELL, THERE TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, UH, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO THINK ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT WHEN IT'S NOT REALLY IN EXISTENCE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT THAT AS, UM, A PICTURE THERE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE I AM.
UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LONG WAY FOR ME ON THIS ONE.
UM, 'CAUSE I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, ABOUT THAT AREA.
UM, AGAIN, I SAID IT ONCE ALREADY.
I, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT HERE.
UM, YOU, YOU'VE RES YOU'VE LISTENED, YOU'VE RESPONDED, AND YOU'VE COME BACK WITH WHAT I THINK IS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD SOLUTION FOR THIS SITE.
UM, ONE, ONE REASON PARTICULARLY IS THE ASSOCIATION WITH THIS SCHOOL.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS BETWEEN SENIORS AND STUDENTS THAT COULD, COULD DO REALLY, REALLY NEAT THINGS FOR THOSE AREAS THAT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER, OTHER LOCATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE THERE'S A NICE SEMBLANCE THERE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT USES THAT THIS COULD BE.
THIS IS A GREAT COMPLIMENTARY USE, IN MY OPINION, TO, TO THE SCHOOL.
SO I THINK IT'S A, A REALLY NICE MOVE.
AND I'M GONNA COUNTER THE OTHER, SOME OF THE COMMENTS TO, ON THE VILLAS.
I THINK IT'S A REALLY, REALLY NICE TRANSITION.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY SMALLER THAN A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS WOULD BE.
YOUR VISION, AS YOU EXPLAINED, IS VERY, VERY HIGH END ARCHITECTURE, ALL FOUR SIDES.
THEY'RE GONNA LOOK REALLY, REALLY NICE, VERY WELL LANDSCAPED.
AND I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO ADD VALUE TO THE AREA BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A NICE LOOKING, AGAIN, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR VISION CORRECTLY, VERY, VERY NICE LOOKING VILLAS.
UM, IT'LL BE LIMITED ON FAMILY, YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT GONNA HAVE FAMILIES.
SO I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A TRANSITION THERE THAT I THINK IS GONNA HAVE THE OPPOSITE EFFECT.
I THINK IT'LL BE A VERY POSITIVE THING FOR THE AREA.
AND I THINK IT'S A NICE TRANSITION TO THE, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE BIGGER, THE BIGGER FACILITY, THE HIGHER, HIGHER FACILITY.
'CAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING.
YOU'VE SEEN THE VISION PLAN, SOMETHING'S GONNA GO THERE AND IF IT'S NOT THIS, IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER LARGE FACILITY OF, OF THE, OF THE NATURE AND OF THIS NATURE.
SO I THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY, THE APPLICANT'S DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF, OF MAKING THIS A TRANSITIONAL SPACE.
I LOVE THE IDEA MR. WAY BROUGHT UP OF MAYBE SEPARATING THE TWO.
SO IT FEELS LIKE ALMOST A A AN ISOLATED RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO WE MITIGATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, SOME OF THE EMERGENCY CONCERNS AND HAVING ITS OWN FACILITY.
I THINK IT'S A REALLY, REALLY GOOD SOLUTION.
AND FOR, I MEAN, AGAIN, IN A, IN A PERFECT WORLD, THIS WOULD NEVER BE DEVELOPED.
YOU GUYS COULD HAVE YOUR PARK SPACE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING AND THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY SMART SOLUTION FOR IT.
AND IF WE REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THE VISION OF THIS, IT'S GONNA BE A VERY, VERY NICE LOOKING FACILITY.
AGAIN, WELL LANDSCAPED NICE ARCHITECTURE, AND I'LL GO BACK TO THE POINT OF ARTICULATION ON THE BUILDING.
I LOVE YOUR SOLUTION THERE ABOUT DIFFERENT ON THE, ON THE, ON THE LARGER FACILITY OF JUST THE, THE DIFFERENT ARTICULATION AND REALLY MAKING THIS, THIS A NICE LOOKING FACILITY THAT COULD HONESTLY SERVE AS A OF A, A NICE BEACON ESSENTIALLY FOR WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN EMERALD PARKWAY.
SOME, SOME VERY NICE, NICE LOOKING FACILITY THAT COMPLIMENTS THE SCHOOL AND COM.
MOUNT CARMEL IS A BIG FACILITY RIGHT UP THE NOT VERY FAR AWAY.
SO I THINK, AGAIN, IT'S A REALLY GOOD TRANSITION BETWEEN EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN THAT AREA.
THANK YOU, MS. DEMI, SIR? UM, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M TRY NOT TO REPEAT WHAT'S
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BEEN SAID, BUT I'M IN GENERAL AGREEMENT.I, I TOO, UM, LIKE THE VILLAS, I THINK IT'S A GREAT TRANSITION FROM ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE NORTH SIDE.
UM, I FIND GARY'S IDEA OF, UH, A FRONT DOOR EFFECT
UM, THE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE NATURAL TRANSITION OF THE EPHEMERAL DITCH, WHICH IS GONNA BE A POND OR SOME SORT OF WATER FEATURE, IT LOOKS LIKE FROM YOUR PLANS TO TRANSITION TO THE LARGER BUILDING.
UM, AND THE LARGER BUILDING IS, IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT YOU STILL, YOU'VE GOT THE BIG SCHOOL, WHICH IS SET WAY BACK AS IS THIS LARGER BUILDING.
SO THE VIEW FROM BRIGHT ROAD WILL BE FURTHER BACK AND I THINK IT'S QUITE APPROPRIATE, UM, THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, THAT IS A CONCERN AND IT'S GONNA BOTHER YOUR OWN RESIDENCES OF THE VILLAS.
SO SEE IF YOU CAN MAYBE CHAT WITH WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP AND ASK THEM WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN AND OUT, WHERE THEY WOULD PREFER IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT ALREADY.
UM, AND WATCH THE SIREN ENTRANCE IF THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS SAID.
I THINK YOU'VE COVERED IT ALL VERY WELL.
UM, I AM INTERESTED IN SOLVING THE SITE CIRCULATION THING.
I, THE, THE THROUGH KIND OF ROAD.
I THINK I KNOW THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO GATE IT.
I THINK THERE'S SOME CREATIVE SOLUTIONS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN TABLED TONIGHT.
UM, I THINK THIS USE AS A TRANSITIONAL USE FROM THE SCHOOL TO SOMETHING ELSE MAKES SENSE.
UM, AND I WOULD URGE THE APPLICANT TO FOCUS VERY HEAVILY ON BRIGHT ROAD AND THE CHARACTER AND THE QUALITY AND THE PLACEMENT OF THOSE UNITS.
JUST LIKE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID THAT WE ALL HEAR THE RESIDENTS THERE AND, AND UNDERSTAND THE CHARACTER OF BRIGHT ROAD, AND WE WANNA SEE THAT DONE IN THE RIGHT WAY.
SO, UM, I WOULD AGAIN, SUPPORT THE APPLICANT CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENCES AND, AND GET THAT PIECE RIGHT AND, AND HOPEFULLY THE CIRCULATION OPTIONS MIGHT ALSO FURTHER REINFORCE THAT.
SO, UM, TURNING TO THE COMMISSION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THIS APPLICATION? SAY, SEEING NONE, I'VE GOT ONE, ONE SMALL ONE JUST, UM, THAT I DIDN'T MENTION EARLIER.
THE, THE BUILDING OR HOPEWELL ELEMENTARY, IT'S NOT REALLY RIGHT ANGLED.
IT'S GOT SOME INTERESTING ANGLES AND I THINK, UM, IF THERE'S A WAY TO, UH, INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE, IT WOULD HELP MATCH THAT BUILDING AS WELL.
SORRY, JUST ALONG THAT LINE TOO, THERE'S A, A, A, UH, PROBABLY 25 HOMES THAT ARE ON THIS, ON THAT SIDE OVER THERE THAT, UM, THEN THEIR BACKYARDS FACE ALL THIS.
SO THAT'S THE OTHER, I THINK CONSIDERATION TOO.
UM, I'M GONNA TURN TO THE APPLICANT NOW.
YOU'VE HEARD OUR FEEDBACK TONIGHT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARITY ABOUT ANY OF THE COMMENTS? OKAY, GREAT.
I REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS WE HAVE TWO MORE.
MAYBE WE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE NEXT ONE.
CAN YOU, WE WAIT TILL THEN AND WE CAN TAKE A BREAK? WE, OR WE DO IT NOW.
WE JUST HAVE TO GET THE LAST ONE IN BEFORE 10 30.
UNLESS, UNLESS THE CHAIR
UM, YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK? OKAY.
WE'LL TAKE A, A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
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OKAY.WE'RE GONNA GO ON TO OUR NEXT, NEXT CASE.
NOW THIS IS CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 0 1 7 INF DUBLIN 18.
REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK AND A PROPOSED LOT SPLIT, CREATING A NEW 1.08 ACRE PARCEL FOR A FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE EXISTING 5.08 PARCEL IS ZONED BSD DASH SCN BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SAW, MILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED AT 3,800 WEST DUBLIN GRANVILLE ROAD.
IF I COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
NAME IS DAN O'HARA, AND MY, UH, OFFICE ADDRESS IS 50 WEST BROAD STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO.
UM, WANTED TO, UH, SPEND JUST A, A BRIEF MINUTE GIVING A LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS SITE.
UM, WITH ME IS, IS BOB MEYERS, THE OWNER OF, OF, UH, DUBLIN 18.
AND, UH, CURTIS BERRY, WHO'S WITH THE DESIGN FIRM, UH, ADVANCED CIVIL DESIGN.
UM, THE, THE HISTORY ON THIS PROPERTY, UH, WHEN, WHEN BOB BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, UH, WAS IT WAS
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A FULL 6.7 ACRE ACRE LOT.AND, UM, AND AFTER WE BOUGHT IT IN, UH, EARLY 19, EXCUSE ME, EARLY 19, WE CAME BACK IN, IN 2021 AND REQUESTED A LOT SPLIT.
AND THE REASON WE DID THAT WAS MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE TALKED TO, UH, WANTED TO HAVE, HAVE THE LOT SPLIT DONE AHEAD OF TIME.
AND THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS REALLY AN EXTENSION OF THAT, UM, UH, TO, TO REMIND THE COMMISSION OF THE, OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 2025.
UH, ALL, ALL INCLUSIVE ENDED UP BUYING THAT PROPERTY.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY BOUGHT THAT WESTERN PROPERTY WAS THAT THE, THAT IT WAS ALREADY LOT SPLIT.
THEY THEN CAME IN, WE WORKED WITH THE COMMISSION, AND THEY'VE, UH, THEY'VE, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPLETED THE DEAL AND THEY'RE ABOUT READY TO START CONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE GETTING THE SAME FEEDBACK ON THIS, ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, WE ARE, WE ARE PROPOSING ABOUT A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, FACILITY ON THIS.
UH, WE, WE'VE BROUGHT IT OUT TO, TOWARDS THE CURB.
UH, IT ALSO PROVIDES A BUFFER, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE SPEEDWAY, UH, GAS STATION, UH, WHICH IS THE ONE STORY BUILDING.
WE'RE PROPOSING A ONE STORY HERE, AND THEN IT STEPS UP TO, UH, OUR, THE BA BANK BRANCH IN OUR BUILDING, IN THE OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH IS TWO STORIES.
UH, AND THEN THE NEXT BUILDING NEXT TO IT, I THINK THEY'RE AT THREE OR FOUR STORIES IN THE, IN THE, UM, UH, ALL INCLUSIVE.
SO OUR, OUR THOUGHT PROCESS, AND AS YOU CAN SEE THIS, THE, UH, TRIANGLE IN THE, IN THE, UH, ON THE SITE PLAN SHOWS, SHOWS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF BLOCKING THE BACKSIDE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, UH, A PORTION OF THOSE BUILDINGS ON THE SAWMILL SITE, WHICH, UH, WE THINK IS, UH, WILL, WILL ACTUALLY ADD ON THE AESTHETIC VALUE TO IT.
UH, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING, UH, THE, THE ARCHITECTURE ON THE BUILDING BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS DEVELOP INTEREST AND FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY AND, UM, WORK WITH SOMEBODY WHO COMES IN AND, AND ACTUALLY WANTS TO BUILD THERE.
UH, THIS WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE A DEVELOPER.
IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE INTEREST THAT WE'VE HAD.
THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE TALKED TO HAVE ALL BEEN PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO OWN THE BUILDING, UH, WHICH MEANS IT WON'T BE A RENTAL, WOULDN'T BE A RENTAL THING.
I CAN'T CON YOU CAN'T SAY THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHO WOULD BUY IT, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST, BECAUSE BEING ONLY 6,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD, WOULD TEND TO BE THAT TYPE OF BUYER.
AND, AND WE REALLY KIND OF, UH, WERE BOYED BY THE, THE, WHAT HAPPENED TO US ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHEN WE DID THE 1.58 ACRES.
SO, UH, IF WE COULD DO THE SITE PLAN, OUR PLAN, AS YOU SEE, WE PULLED IT OUT TOWARDS, TOWARDS THE ROAD.
UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 39, UH, PARKING SPACES AND THE, AND THE, UH, UH, PARKING IS ON THE SIDE AND ON THE REAR THERE'S VERY LITTLE PARKING, UH, UH, THAT CAN BE SEEN ON THE, UH, RIGHT ON THE 1 61 SIDE.
UH, UTILITIES ARE ON THE NORTH AND THE EAST SIDE.
UH, UH, YES, NORTH AND EAST SIDE, UH, AND, AND AVAILABLE.
WE'VE NOT DONE ALL THE UTILITY PLANNING.
UH, WE WOULD MAINTAIN, THERE IS AN EASEMENT THAT COMES DOWN THROUGH THE PROPERTY ON SAWMILL AND, UH, GOES TO THE BACK OF OURS, WHICH WOULD BE MAINTAINED, UH, IN, IN THE LOT SPLIT 'CAUSE THAT'S, UH, WHERE OUR STORM SURVEY GOES OUT AND SOME OTHER UTILITIES COME OUT.
UM, WE SEE THIS AS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, NOT, NOT, UH, FOOD, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE AND THE AMOUNT OF PARKING, UH, WHICH I THINK WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER TODAY, THAT, UH, THE PARKING REQUIRED FOR SOME FOOD ARE GONNA BE WAY MORE THAN THE 39 SPACES.
SO WE SEE THIS AS SOME KIND OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
UM, AND, UM, SO WE'RE, OUR GOAL IS REALLY TO TRY TO FACILITATE IT, F FACILITATE THE, THE, UH, OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE AND, AND TRY TO, UH, ADVANCE THIS BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WE'VE TALKED TO, UH, ARE REALLY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO REALLY LENGTHY DISCUSSIONS, UH, FOR LESS SIZE PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY USUALLY OWNER OPERATORS AND, AND SO THAT YOU WANNA, THANK YOU, NELSON.
THANK YOU AGAIN, MU MUCH LIKE THE LAST ONE.
I'M STANDING IN FOR TORI HERE, UH, TONIGHT.
BUT, UH, I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS BRIEF GIVEN THE, UH, UH, THE HOUR, UH, TONIGHT.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW.
THIS IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER ONE IN THAT IT IS IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
THE PROCESS, SOME IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT IT IS CONFINED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION EVENTUALLY DOES NOT REQUIRE, UH, COUNCIL APPROVAL,
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EXCEPT FOR IF THERE IS A LOSS SPLIT.MOST LIKELY THAT'S A PLANNING PROCESS THAT MAY, UH, MAY INVOLVE COUNCIL FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
SO, AGAIN, THE INTENT TIN TONIGHT IS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK, NO, UH, DETERMINATIONS TO BE MADE.
UH, THE SIGN, MR. O'HARE DID A GREAT JOB OF DESCRIBING THE LOCATION.
UH, WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE.
UM, AND, AND HE, HE EXPLAINED THAT THE WHOLE PARCEL WELL, THE FIFTH THIRD BANK BUILDING INCLUDED THE SITE WHERE ALL IN IS GOING IN RIGHT NOW, AND HE'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECTED.
THERE WAS A REPL IN 2021 THAT A ALLOWED FOR THAT PARCEL TO BE SPLIT OFF.
AND THAT CIRCUMSTANCE HAD, UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE WERE STREETS ON THREE SIDES.
THE THE PARCEL WAS, UH, PRETTY LARGE.
SO THIS ONE IS NOT MUCH SMALLER, UH, BUT THE LOCATION IS A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING.
SO WE WANTED TO, UH, UH, POINT OUT A FEW THINGS AND THEN ASK YOU A COUPLE OF DISCUSSION QUESTIONS SO THAT, UH, HE CAN PROCEED WITH TRYING TO MARKET THE SITE.
UH, IT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE, UH, AND ENVISION DUBLIN HERE IS, UH, MIXED USE URBAN.
THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A LITTLE MORE INTENSE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS WITH THE IDEA OF TRANSITIONING THE AUTO ORIENTED USES TO A MORE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT.
SO THE PRINCIPAL USES DO INCLUDE COMMERCIAL OFFICE, HOTEL MULTIFAMILY, EATING AND DRINKING, THE SUPPORTING USE OF CIVIC PARKS AND OPEN SPACE TALKS ABOUT THREE TO, UH, SIX STORY BUILDINGS IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS.
OBVIOUSLY CAN'T DO THAT NECESSARILY ON EVERY SITE.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THE INTENT IS TO FOLLOW A MORE URBAN CHARACTER, UH, WITHIN ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN.
THE, THE, UH, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SPECIAL AREA PLAN HAS SEVERAL SUB AREAS, AND THIS HAPPENS TO BE WITHIN THE EAST BRIDGE STREET, UH, SUB AREA.
AND THE INTENT OF THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE FUTURE, UH, LAND USE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.
UH, I WOULD POINT OUT HERE THOUGH THAT WITH THE 1 61 CORRIDOR, UH, BEING THE FUTURE BUS RAPID TRANSIT CORRIDOR, THAT THERE IS A LITTLE MORE EMPHASIS ON THAT AND ALSO THE, UH, UH, HOW IT RELATES TO THE STREET AND WHAT TYPES OF USES ARE, UH, PERMITTED THERE.
SO THAT GETS US TO THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, WHERE THIS HAPPENS TO BE WITHIN THE SOL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE BRIDGE STREET CODE.
AND THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE IN THAT THERE IS A SPECIFIC REFERENCE ON THE, UM, DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS COMMERCIAL CENTER TYPE BUILDINGS ARE ONLY PERMITTED ALONG THE SOL CENTER.
UH, UM, SO ROAD FRONTAGE AND A PORTION OF, UH, BRIDGE PARK AVENUE.
AND THE COMMERCIAL CENTER BUILDING TYPE IS TYPICALLY THE ONE STORY.
IT COULD RANGE UP TO, UH, THREE STORIES, BUT IT'S TYPICALLY A ONE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING AS, UH, AS BEING DESCRIBED IN, IN THIS CASE.
SO THIS SITE TECHNICALLY IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THAT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS THAT WE WANTED TO, UH, THROW AT YOU IS WHETHER, UM, THE MOST LIKELY BUILDING TYPE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE, UH, SUPPORTED AT THIS LOCATION.
UH, ONE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT, AND IT PLAYED A FACTOR INTO THE ALL END PROJECT ALSO BEFORE, IS THAT THE BRIT STREET DISTRICT HAS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR STREETS AND BLOCKS.
AND SO THE INTENT IS THAT EVENTUALLY, AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO REDEVELOPMENT OF THE REST OF THE SITE, BUT THAT THERE WOULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET.
UH, SO THE SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, THAT THERE WOULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET THAT WOULD SERVE AS AN ORGANIZING, UM, AVENUE THERE FOR THAT BLOCK THAT WOULD CONNECT FROM BANKER DRIVE TO, UH, 1 61.
AND ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THE, UH, HIERARCHY OF STREETS IN THIS CASE.
1 61 IS A PRINCIPLE FRONTED STREET, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS ON ACCESS POINTS.
AND, UM, AND THE CHARACTER IS, UH, THE, THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS HEIGHTENED.
ONE LAST THING I WANTED TO MENTION BEFORE WE GET INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS IS THE, UH, UM, I MENTIONED THE BUS RAPID, UH, RAPID TRANSIT LINE.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A STUDY, AND THIS HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETELY, THE SCENARIOS THEMSELVES HAVE NOT BEEN FINALIZED BY COUNCIL, BUT THE INTENT IS EVENTUALLY TO MAKE 1 61, UH, MUCH MORE, UM, ADVANTAGEOUS FOR MULTIPLE, UH, MODES OF TRANSPORTATION.
SO, UH, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY TAKEN, UH, AT THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED WITH MR. O'HARE ON, ON ACCOMMODATING.
SO THERE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY UP TO 20 FEET OR A LITTLE MORE, UH, THAT WOULD
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BE NEEDED AT THE FRONTAGE.SO THAT GETS US TO THE, UH, SITE AND THE CONCEPTUAL BUILDING LAYOUT.
AND OBVIOUSLY IT IS CONCEPTUAL HERE BECAUSE THE INTENT IS TO, UH, MARKET THE LOT, BUT THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING IN GENERAL SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE.
IT IS, UH, THE, THE GEOMETRY OF THE SITE AND SOME OF THE LANDSCAPE, OH, I'M SORRY, THE EASEMENTS AND UTILITIES ARE SUCH, WHERE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, UH, PROBABLY MAKES SOME SENSE.
THE FRONTAGE, AGAIN, WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY TAKE AGAIN, APPEARS TO BE WITHIN THE GENERAL REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE FOR SEVERAL DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES.
UH, IN THIS CASE, THE PARKING IS TO THE SIDE AND REAR.
UH, THE, UH, CHALLENGE THEN BECOMES WHETHER, AGAIN, THE ONE STORY BUILDING WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
UH, BUT THEN THE ACCESS IS SHOWN THROUGH THE EXISTING ACCESS POINT RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE ARE TWO ACCESS POINTS TO THE EXISTING FIFTH THIRD BANK BANK SITE.
WITH THIS BEING A PRINCIPLE FRONTED STREET, THE INTENT IS EVENTUALLY THERE WILL BE JUST THAT NEIGHBORHOOD STREET AND ALL OTHER ACCESS WOULD BE, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, THAT GRID.
AND SO, UH, AGAIN, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS WHETHER, UH, USING THE EXISTING ACCESS POINT OR WHETHER THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CONSOL CONSOLIDATION OF ACCESS POINTS AND SOME CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE SITE IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT.
UM, ONE OTHER THING I WOULD MENTION IS THERE IS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT TO THE NORTH.
SO THE EXISTING, UH, SITE USED TO HAVE ACCESS FROM SUMMER ROAD AND A SERVICE DRIVE THAT WENT ALL THE WAY TO BANKER DRIVE, UH, THE APPLICANT A FEW YEARS AGO MODIFIED THAT TO CUT, UH, ON CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE.
SO, UH, SO THAT ACCESS POINT FROM SAMA WOULD NOT BE REQUESTED WITH THIS ONE, BUT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO HAVE BETTER CONNECTIVITY ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SERVICE DRIVE, UH, OR ALLEY, UH, CHARACTER, IF YOU WILL.
THAT THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.
SO, SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS LOOKING NORTH, UH, TOWARDS THAT ACCESS DRIVE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A CURB RIGHT NOW AND THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE REOPENED.
YOU CAN SEE IT HERE ALSO LOOKING STUFF DOWN THAT SERVICE DRIVE, THIS IS THE BANK DRIVE THROUGH, AND THEN SOME GENERAL, UH, PICTURES OF THE SITE.
AND SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT IS THAT MANY OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE REALLY DEPENDENT ON THE ACTUAL BUILDING TYPE.
UH, BECAUSE EACH ONE HAS ITS OWN LOCK COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS ON, UH, REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE.
UH, THE COMMERCIAL CENTER BUILDING TYPE, FOR EXAMPLE, ALLOWS PARKING TO THE SIDE OF A BUILDING.
A LOFT BUILDING TYPE WOULD NOT ALLOW PARKING TO THE SIDE AND WOULD REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF TWO STORIES.
AND SO THE, UH, FIRST QUESTION IS ABOUT WHETHER THE BUILDING TYPE IS ACCEPTABLE.
UH, SECOND QUESTION IS THE GENERAL SITE LAYOUT AND WHETHER THAT'S THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
UM, CIRCULATION AND PARKING MENTIONED THE, UH, UH, POSSIBLE CONSOLIDATION OF ACCESS POINTS.
UH, BUT THE FOURTH QUESTION IS ONE WHERE, AND AND FULLY APPRECIATE, UH, MR. O'HARA'S, UH, KNOWLEDGE OF THE MARKET.
THE QUESTION IS WITH THAT, KNOWING WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT BUILDING TYPE IS, UH, POSSIBLE AND HOW ALL OF THOSE, UH, FACTORS, UH, PLAY IN WHETHER THE COMMISSION IS COMFORTABLE WITH A LOT SPLIT ALREADY REPL BEFORE WE HAVE AN ACTUAL, UM, MORE DEFINED USE AND, AND SITE AND SITE LAYOUT.
I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
OKAY, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION NOW FOR BOTH QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT AND TO STAFF.
AND DAN, I'M GONNA START WITH YOU.
I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT YOU'VE NOTICED MR. AHA ON THE, UM, ON THE DIAGRAM THAT BASSAM SHOWED FOR, UH, WHERE WE'D HAVE THOSE SINGLE STORY OR ONE TO THREE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, THIS BEING OUTSIDE OF THE ZONE THERE, AND I KNOW THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE BUILDING YOU PROPOSED.
DO YOU HAVE A REACTION TO IT? IS IT JUST THE FEELING THAT'S ALL THAT WOULD REALLY FIT THERE? WELL, I THINK, EXCUSE ME.
I THINK THAT THAT WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS IF YOU GET DOWN INTO THE FOUR OR FIVE, 6,000 SQUARE FOOT, THE COST TO PUT A TWO STORY BUILDING IN THERE, WHICH REQUIRES AN ELEVATOR, THAT BECOMES A, A REAL NEGATIVE TO, TO MARKET THE SITE.
AND MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE LOOKING AT A FIVE OR 6,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, UH, ARE ARE REALLY
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LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S A ONE STORY, UH, CAN EITHER BE SUBDIVIDED JUST IN TWO OR TAKE THE, TAKE THE WHOLE THING.SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY A MARKETING AND IT JUST BECOME, IT'S, IT'S ONE MORE OBSTACLE, UH, TO GET OVER MM-HMM
UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE ORDER OF THINGS HERE IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ADDRESSES.
UH, DO YOU FEEL, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF YOU'VE GOT POTENTIAL PARTNERS LOOKING AT HOW THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THIS SITE, WOULDN'T IT BENEFIT THEM TO COME IN WITH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND SEE IF IT WOULD BE APPROVED BEFORE ACQUIRING THE LOT? WELL, WE'RE, YEAH, WE'RE HEARING THAT THAT'S AN OBSTACLE WITH 'EM.
AND WHAT WE EXPERIENCED ON THE OTHER END OF THIS PROPERTY WAS KIND OF THE SAME THING.
ONCE WE GOT THE LOT SPLIT, WE STARTED TALKING TO MORE, WE ACTUALLY HAD SOMEONE BEFORE THE, UH, ALL INCLUSIVE THAT CAME IN AND WE TALKED ABOUT A, UH, A UM, UM, KIND OF A MEDICAL CENTER AND THAT DIDN'T, DIDN'T WORK OUT.
BUT BOTH OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED BECAUSE THE, THAT THE LOT SPLIT HAD HAPPENED AND THAT WASN'T ANOTHER STEP THAT THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH.
IT'S, AND IT'S JUST, I THINK A FUNCTION OF THE SIZE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A MUCH SMALLER PROJECT THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN EARLIER TONIGHT.
UH, YOU KNOW, BEING THAT THAT'S ONLY FIVE OR 6,000 SQUARE FEET, SO.
I THINK THAT THE ALL IN PROPERTY ON THEIR SIDE WAS A LITTLE LARGER AND MORE STANDARD.
AND MY CONCERN IS, CAN WE FIND SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE COMMISSION FEELS FITS WITH THE FORWARD VISION OF BEING DENSE AND WALKABLE, UM, WITHIN THAT LOT SIZE AND SHAPE.
AND IS THERE POTENTIAL THAT, THAT FIFTH THIRD MIGHT WANNA RESTRUCTURE THEIR PARKING IN RELATION TO THIS ROAD AND SELL IT AS A DIFFERENT SHAPE? UM, THERE'S ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY WE'RE JUST, WE'RE REACTING TO WHAT THE MARKET'S TELLING US.
UH, THE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE THAT WE TALKED TO THAT HAVE HAD SOME INTEREST SAID, WELL, TALK TO US IF YOU GET IT.
'CAUSE THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING SEEMS TO BE CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, UH, WE'RE JUST PLAYING ON WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED ON OUR PROPERTY AT THE OTHER END.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WERE THOSE OFFICE USES THAT YOU'VE HAD INTEREST FOR? THEY WERE COMMERCIAL USES.
COMMERCIAL, THERE'S SOME OFFICE BUT ALSO SOME COMMERCIAL, BUT, BUT, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF 'EM WERE FOOD, UH, WHICH REQUIRE MORE PARKING AND THAT'S REALLY FEASIBLE.
THE TRIGGER THAT WOULD TAKE IT INTO A LOT MORE PARKING.
I THINK THAT'S ALL ABOUT FOR QUESTIONS.
JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT TIMELINE.
UH, WHEN DID YOU SAY YOU RE PLATTED THIS? WHEN DID YOU SAY YOU RE PLATTED THIS? THAT WE, WHAT? YOU HAD THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE REPLATING? OH YES.
WE BOUGHT IT IN, IN 2000, LATE 2018, 2019 WE APPLIED AND I THINK WE RECEIVED THE ORIGINAL LOT SPLIT IN 2021.
AND THEN IN 25, I THINK WE HAD SOMEBODY IN AROUND 23.
THAT WAS THE, THE MEDICAL USE.
UH, IT WAS A, UH, CONCIERGE, UH, TYPE MEDICAL USE THAT, THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
THE COMMISSION WASN'T REALLY IN FAVOR OF THAT.
WE ENDED UP GETTING THIS, UH, THE UH, UH, THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT IT IN 25 AND OKAY.
AND THAT WAS BEFORE WE REALLY HAD THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN.
'CAUSE SOME OF US WERE ON THAT, THAT COMMITTEE.
BUT BASSAM, IF I'M CORRECT, ALL THOSE BRIDGE STREET STANDARDS WERE IN PLACE BEFORE THAT DATE, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION BASSIMA HAD, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'VE SAID IF THE GRID IS COMPLETED, THE STREET GRID THAT'S PROPOSED IS COMPLETED, THAT ACCESS POINT THAT IS INITIALLY ON DUBLIN SAW MILL WOULD HAVE TO MOVE.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
WITH THAT BEING A PRINCIPLE FRONTED STREET AND WITH ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT, UH, ARE BEING DISCUSSED FOR, UH, THAT THE ONLY INTERSECTION AND VISION WOULD BE WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET IS LOCATED.
SO POTENTIALLY WEST OF THIS BUILDING, THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE ANOTHER BUILDING, BUT THEN, UH, THE ACCESS WOULD BE FURTHER TO THE WEST.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, IS THERE ANY PROBLEM, IS THERE ROOM FOR LIKE, UM, A LONG SAWMILL AND THE BUSINESSES THERE? I SEE THAT THEY HAVE THEIR PARKING IN THE BACK.
LIKE IF THEY WANNA PUT UP A FENCE OR WANT TO DO LANDSCAPING THERE TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVATE, IT COULD BE.
UM, SO IS THAT, IS THERE ANY, YOU KNOW, EMISSIONS THAT THEY COULD NOT DO BECAUSE OF THE SIZE? IS THAT, ARE YOU THINKING IN THAT DIRECTION? THERE IS AN EASEMENT THAT RUNS DOWN BETWEEN THE BACK.
OF THE SPEEDWAY AND THOSE, THOSE PROPERTIES AND THIS PROPERTY.
UM, IT COULD BE LANDSCAPED IN FRONT, LIKE IN FRONT OF THIS BUILDING SO THAT YOU WOULD BLOCK IT MORE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKED ABOUT THIS, THIS PLAN WAS IT, IT KIND OF TOOK AWAY THE VIEW OF THE BACKSIDES OF ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS OR PART OF THOSE BUILDINGS AS FAR AS IT WENT BACK.
UM, SO THERE WOULD BE A POTENTIAL IF,
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IF WE CAN, IF SOMEONE COULD DO PLANTINGS ALONG THAT SIDE, THEY THEY COULD LOCK IT EVEN MORE.AND YOU DID SAY THAT IT MAY BE A POSITIVE THING ON SAWMILL ROAD TO SEE THROUGH TO THIS BUILDING AS NO, NOT OFF OF SAWMILL.
I WAS HEARING SAW MILL, SO CLARIFYING THAT.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN NO PROBLEM.
'CAUSE CODA WAS MENTIONED IN TRANSPORTATION.
YOU'RE UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH YEAH, WE WERE, WE WERE INFORMED AFTER WE KINDA DID THE PLAN THAT WHAT THE SETBACK IS.
SO WE'RE, WE WILL O OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THE BUS ISSUE AND OKAY.
AND THE ACTUAL LOCATION TO, TO RIGHT SIZE THE BUILDING AND, AND, UH, THE, THE PARKING LOT.
DID, DID YOU CONSIDER, UM, OTHER, I MEAN YOU, YOU LANDED ON THE 6,300 SQUARE FOOT SIZE.
DID YOU CONSIDER A LARGER BUILDING ACROSS ON THE, YOU KNOW, YOU PULL OUT AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN TO 1 61 AND MAXIMIZE THE FRONTAGE.
DID YOU LOOK AT LARGER FOOTPRINT OR MAXIMIZING? YES, WE DID.
AND IT, IT THEN THE PARKING BECAME A REAL ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE BANK AND THE DRIVE THROUGH.
IT BECAME VERY, A VERY WEIRD, EVEN WEIRDER SHAPE THAN WE HAVE
AND UH, SO WE LOOKED AT, AT DOING IT FARTHER, BUT IT REALLY STARTED BLOCKING THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UH, AND THEN ONCE WE GOT PARKING, WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE MORE PARKING TO, TO, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIMITED ON PARKING COUNT BA IS WHAT YEAH.
AND, AND TALKING TO THE BROKERS, YOU KNOW, AT A CERTAIN, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO MAKE A BIGGER JUMP
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING.
SO PARDON MY I NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU MENTIONED TALK, 'CAUSE I, I DO THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH, UM, ALL THE CURB CUTS ON DOUBLING GRANDMA ROAD IN THIS AREA WITH THE SPEEDWAY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BUT IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS APPROVAL BASED ON ACCESS AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER, IS THAT, IS THAT POSSIBLE? 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ACCESS AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER PROPERTIES, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING OR WHAT YOU WERE ALLUDING TO ABOUT LIMITING THE CURB CUTS? Y YEAH, SO AGAIN, THERE ARE RIGHT NOW TWO CURB, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE 'EM HERE.
THERE'S THIS ONE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO USE AND THEN THERE'S ONE THAT IS USED BY THE BANK.
THE, SO, SORRY, I DIDN'T INTERRUPT.
SO I GUESS MY QUE SORRY, I'D BE MORE SPECIFIC MY QUESTION.
SO IF WE WERE TO ELIMINATE THE, THAT THEIR CURB CUT ON THIS PROPERTY, WOULD THAT WORK WITH OTHER ACCESS AGREEMENTS? I THINK IS MY, IS THE QUESTION? UH, YEAH.
I MEAN THERE IS OBVIOUSLY CIRCULATION THAT THE BANK DRIVE THROUGH NECESS STATES AND CIRCULATION THROUGH THAT SITE.
BUT YES, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SUGGESTING IS THAT LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF GETTING RID OF THIS ONE AND INVESTIGATING WHETHER THEY COULD BE CONSOLIDATED WITH ACCESS THROUGH AN ACCESS EASEMENT THROUGH THE SITE.
BUT WHERE WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IS AGAIN, TO ACCOMPLISH THE VISION, THE, THE FUTURE VISION FOR THAT IS WHERE THAT ACCESS ENDS UP BEING.
BECAUSE IF THIS, LET'S SAY THIS EVENTUALLY BECOMES A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET RIGHT IN HERE, UH, THEN THERE MAY BE AN EXPECTATION THAT THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER BUILDING NEXT TO THIS SO THAT YOU HAVE FRONTAGE ON THAT STREET.
AND SO KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE WITHOUT HAVING A, A MORE FIRM PLAN, I THINK IS WHERE, FROM A STAFF STAND STANDPOINT, WHERE WE ARE FEELING A LITTLE CHALLENGED.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO GO TO THE SLIDE YOU HAD WITH THE ENVISION DILIN DUBLIN STREET PLAN.
SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET THAT CUTS RIGHT THROUGH.
ALL RIGHT, LET ME BACK UP TO ONE QUESTION.
IF WE WERE TO BUILD OR DESIGN THE, THE BUILDINGS THAT IS ENVISIONED WITH THE TWO STORY COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM, CORRECT.
AND THEN I GUESS RESIDENTIAL OR SOMETHING ON THE SECOND FLOOR, HOW MUCH PARKING WOULD WE NEED FOR THAT? SO THERE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT PARKING FORMULAS IN THE BRITT STREET DISTRICT.
THERE ARE SOME BREAKS YOU CAN GET FOR TRANSIT PROXIMITY.
THERE'S, UH, UH, SEVERAL FACTORS THERE THAT YOU CAN DO WITH A PARKING PLAN.
UH, THAT'S GENERALLY ACTUALLY WHAT WENT INTO THE ALL IN DUBLIN, UH, APPROVAL.
ALSO, THERE WAS A PARKING PLAN THAT, UH, ACCOUNTED FOR SOME OF THE BONUSES AND SOME OF THE SPECIFIC, SO IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE WITH THIS GRID THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE VISION.
UM, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO ME WHY, AND I KNOW YOU SAID IT, BUT JUST IN MORE DETAIL, WHY A SECOND? A TWO STORY BUILDING IS NOT FEASIBLE THERE FOR, FOR THE SIZE OF BUILDING.
UM, WHEN YOU GO TO A TWO STORY BUILDING, ALMOST ALWAYS IT REQUIRES AN ELEVATOR,
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UH, FOR HANDICAP.SO ALL OF A SUDDEN THE COST GOES UP AND IT'S USUALLY SPREAD OVER MANY MORE SQUARE FEET.
SO IT BECOMES THE, THE LARGER THE BUILDING, THE LESS IMPACT THOSE COSTS ARE.
THE PEOPLE WE'VE TALKED TO SAID THAT THEY JUST DIDN'T SEE GOING IN THERE.
IF WE GO TWO STORY FOR 6,000, THEN WE'RE, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE 12,000, WHICH THEN THE, THE PARKING BECOMES AN ISSUE.
SO IT, IT KIND OF IS A CIRCLE
YEAH, NO, I SEE IT AND I FORGOT ABOUT THAT MORE FURTHER EXPLANATION.
BASSAM, COULD YOU PULL UP THE AIR, THE SOOMO CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN? I, IT'S THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE ROAD AND THEN SHOWS LIKE BUILDING FRONTAGES IN THAT, THAT WHOLE BLOCK.
SO, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE, THIS LOT SPLIT, WOULD IT PRECLUDE THEN DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING FOLLOWING KIND OF THIS IDEA THAT THERE'S A NEW ROAD AND BUILDINGS FRONT ONTO THAT ROAD? I, I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARILY PRECLUDES IT, BUT IT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE CHA POTENTIALLY MORE CHALLENGING BECAUSE I THINK THERE COULD BE A SCENARIO WHERE, IF YOU CAN SEE THE RED LINE HERE, IT'S KIND OF HIDDEN BY THE DOCK.
THE, THE IDEA IS THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF A SERVICE ALLEY IN HERE AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET IS THIS ONE.
SO CONCEIVABLY THERE COULD BE ANOTHER BUILDING THERE AND THEY COULD STILL DO THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE BEING CHALLENGED WITHOUT HAVING AN ACTUAL YEAH, WELL PROPOSAL.
WE APPROVED THE ALL IN, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT SITE LET LOTS SPLIT.
YOU COULD EASILY SEE THERE'S A FRONTAGE ONTO DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE AND THEN THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER NEW FRONTAGE WHERE THAT NEW ROAD WAS.
AND YOU SEE IT REPEATING LIKE THIS PLAN SHOWS.
UM, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF, IF WE APPROVE THIS PARTICULAR LOT SPLIT WHETHER YOU COULD ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF, OF THIS PLAN.
YEAH, I MEAN WE DON'T HAVE CERTAINTY.
SO YOU CAN SEE WITH ALL IN DUBLIN YOU CAN SEE A FAINT ARROW HERE.
UH, THAT'S GENERALLY WHERE WE ENDED UP ACTUALLY WITH THE ACCESS DRIVE.
SO I HAD, UM, COMMISSION ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
IS THERE A PUBLIC COMMENT? DO YOU WANNA ASK FOR THAT? YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE OKAY.
IS WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT HAS PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY JUMPING UP.
SO I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'RE GONNA GO TO, UH, THE COMMISSION DELIBERATION.
DO YOU MIND PULLING UP THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? ACTUALLY I'VE GOT 'EM HERE, BUT SO, UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO ADDRESS THESE INDIVIDUALLY 'CAUSE IT'LL BE REPETITIVE.
I, UM, AM GENERALLY NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE BUILDING TYPE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT MATCHES, UH, THE VISION THAT WE HAD GOING FORWARD.
IF SOMETHING TALLER, DENSE OR MORE WALKABLE.
MY CONCERN WITH SUPPORTING THE SPLIT BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE A DEVELOPER IN AND THEY WOULD SAY, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T FOLLOW THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF THE LOT.
AND THEN WE'RE KIND OF BACK, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, WITH CIRCULAR LOGIC, WHICH WHAT SHOULD COME FIRST.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S CHALLENGING.
I'M NOT JUST BLANKET OPPOSED TO DOING A LOT SPLIT, BUT I THINK IT MAKES IT MORE CHALLENGING FOR THE DEVELOPER THAT COMES ALONG BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH TO FIND SOMETHING THAT FITS THAT VISION IN THAT SPACE, UM, THAT, THAT ALSO TICKS THEIR BOXES FOR FINANCIALS.
SO, UH, IT'S AN INFORMAL REVIEW.
WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, BUT I DO THINK IT'S CHALLENGED THE ORDER OF THINGS.
ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS FAIRNESS.
WE HAD ANOTHER APPLICANT ON THIS CORRIDOR AND PROPOSED SOMETHING SIMILAR IN TERMS OF ONE STORY MASS AND WE DENIED, OR IT WAS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, SO WE SAID WE WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MEET THE SIZE THAT'S REQUIRED IN THE PLAN.
SO IT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO SUPPORT THIS.
WHEN WE TOLD THAT APPLICANT WE COULDN'T SUPPORT THEM, AND MY MY O MY OTHER REASON FOR NOT SUPPORTING IT IS SIMILAR TO DAN'S.
YOU KNOW, I I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING WE'VE, WE'VE SUPPORTED THAT DIDN'T SHOW US A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
AND GRANTED, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE HARDSHIP ON THE SMALLER OWNERS AND THE COST PROFESSIONAL COSTS, BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
WE CAN KEEP THE TWO STORY OPTION AVAILABLE.
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ELIMINATE THAT.SO, UH, WE, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO, TO KEEP THAT OPTION OPEN.
UH, WE WE'RE GONNA DELIBERATE AND WE'LL COME BACK AND ASK YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU MS. HARDER, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE.
I WOULD ALSO AGREE WITH THE, MY COLLEAGUES AROUND THAT JUST WITH THE PRECEDENCE IN THE PAST.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE JUST BEEN, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, NOT REALLY KNOWING WHAT THE HISTORY WOULD BRING AND THAT BRINGS A PRECEDENCE TOWARDS US IN THAT REGARDS.
UH, YEAH, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH US, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S INFORMAL, BUT AS I WAS SAYING, THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.
IF MAYBE IT'S A TWO STORY, MAYBE IT'S THREE, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I CAN'T, I'M OKAY WITH A LOT SPLIT IF IT MAKES SENSE.
AND RIGHT NOW I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S THOUGHT OUT ENOUGH.
I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE BIGGER PICTURE, MAYBE EVEN CONSIDERATION OF WHAT FIFTH THIRD IS GONNA EVENTUALLY DO, AND THEN THE ACCESS POINTS AS WELL.
SO I DON'T, I CAN'T GET BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT WITH MORE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AT THIS POINT.
THANK YOU, MS. DO? YEAH, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD TO ALL OF THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH OUR CHARGE THAT WE ENVISION, DUBLIN IS STILL PRETTY NEW AND WE ARE CHARGED WITH STICKING WITH IT, AND THIS DOESN'T, SO AT LEAST HOW IT'S DESCRIBED RIGHT NOW, I'M GONNA ECHO SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS APPROVED ONE STORY BUILDINGS ON 1 61.
THIS PORTFOLIO YOUR TIME, UM, ONE WAS, WAS A RESULT OF THAT'S ALL THEY COULD BUILD THERE BY, UM, RESTRICTIONS.
AND THE OTHER WAS JUST RELATED TO IT.
UM, BUT THAT WAS BEFORE, UM, ENVISION DUBLIN AND ENVISION DUBLIN.
IT DOUBLED DOWN ON DENSITY IN THIS AREA.
SO I THINK THAT WAS THE OLD, AND THIS IS THE NEW, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE SITE PLAN, YOU, YOU SHOW US IN TERMS OF THE LOT SPLIT, YOU KNOW, IS LOGICAL, MAKES SENSE.
IT IT BRINGS THE BUILDING OUT TO THE STREET.
BUT I THINK THE MISSING PIECE IS THAT WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE REST OF THE PARCEL AND THE PLAN, THE DUBLIN DIVISION, DUBLIN PLAN, THE, THE AREA PLANS, ENVISION THAT THIS SITE HAS A, A NEW CONNECTING ROAD THROUGH IT, AND THAT THAT BECOMES A FRONTAGE ROAD TO SOMETHING.
AND IF, IF WE APPROVE THIS, THEN WE DON'T QUITE KNOW HOW IT AFFECTS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
SO I, I LOOK TO THE QUESTION, UH, FOR HERE IS, IS, IS THE COMMISSION SUPPORTIVE OF A LAW SPLIT BEFORE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN? I, I DON'T WANNA SAY I WOULDN'T SUPPORT A LOT SPLIT, BUT I WANNA SEE WHAT THE AMPLIFICATIONS ARE OF THIS SPECIFIC PROPOSAL ON THIS LOT SPLIT BEFORE I COULD MAKE A A DECISION.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.
UM, I WOULD, YOU'VE HEARD OUR DELIBERATIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION? WOULD YOU LIKE ANY CLARIFICATION IF YOU COULD TURN THE MICROPHONE ON, SIR, AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? OKAY.
UH, I'M BOB MYERS AND I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, DIDN'T LOOK AT THIS AS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN PER SE, UH, REALLY AS A LOT SPLIT BECAUSE IT'S FAIRLY INSIGNIFICANT AND VERY CANDIDLY WHAT I, UH, REALLY WAS DESIROUS OF DOING.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION, UH, THE USE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE AND PERHAPS EMPLOYMENT NOT A BIG BUILDING, SO NOT A LOT OF EMPLOYMENT, UH, UH, BUT VALUE AND, AND SO ON IN THAT REGARD.
EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO ME IS THE AESTHETIC.
I LIKE TO SEE THAT BUILDING THERE THAT ACTS AS A SHIELD FROM WHAT I THINK IS REALLY, UH, UNATTRACTIVE, UH, UH, REAR OF THE SAWMILL LOTS.
SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE TWO DRIVING FORCES.
DI DIDN'T THINK THAT, UH, UH, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAD DONE PREVIOUSLY IN TERMS OF THAT LOT SPLIT, UM, AND BELIEVING THAT YOU STILL REALLY CONTROL, YOU KNOW, ALL DIMENSIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF ANYONE THAT WOULD COME IN.
THE, THE PRACTICALITY IS, UH, THAT, UH, THE, A SMALLER BUILDING IS LIKELY TO BE, AS DAN SAID EARLIER, UH, UH, AN OWNER OCCUPANT OR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, UH, DRIVEN BY A PERSON THAT'S NOT DESIROUS OF GOING THROUGH A WHOLE SERIES OF STEPS.
SO THAT HELPS US, YOU KNOW, JUST REALLY HAVE MORE GROUPS LOOKING, DIFFERENT USES, BEING ABLE TO SELECT THE HIGHEST AND BEST.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE ALL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT, I I'LL RESPECT THAT.
UH, AND FRANKLY, WE'LL JUST WITHDRAW, UH, THE REQUEST AND, UH, WE'LL LET THE PROPERTY AS IT IS, I CAN KEEP MY TWO ENTRANCE POINTS AND SO ON.
AND, UH, UH, IT, IT'S NOT, IT WAS MORE DRIVEN
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BY FINDING GOOD PRODUCTIVE USE, SHIELDING THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND, AND, AND SO ON.SO, UH, UM, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.
I I I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO ADD THIS, I'M, UH, MY LAWYERS DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
I SAY THAT ONLY BECAUSE I'M A LAWYER AND I'VE, UH, BEEN IN THESE MEETINGS OVER 50 YEARS, UH, BECAUSE WE, UH, I SIMULTANEOUSLY DID DEVELOPMENT WORK.
I'M REALLY IMPRESSED BY THE KIND OF PREPARATION YOU'VE ALL DONE AND THE KIND OF QUESTIONS YOU'VE ASKED AND, UH, THINK THE COMMUNITY IS BENEFITED BY THIS PROCESS.
AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER THOUGHT OF HOW WE MIGHT APPROACH THIS, I'D BE OPEN TO, TO, UH, LISTENING AND, AND MAYBE I'LL HAVE DAN TALK WITH THIS GENTLEMAN, UH, IN MORE DETAIL.
YEAH, THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[Case #26-006Z-PDP]
OKAY.UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE.
BASSAM, SHOULD I READ IT INTO THE RECORD OR JUST STEP AWAY? NOW? I, I WOULD SUGGEST IF YOU'RE RECUSING YOURSELF TO JUST GO, RIGHT.
SO I'M GONNA TURN THE NEXT CASE OVER TO MY VICE CHAIR WHO'S LOOKING FORWARD TO ENGAGING WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND I AM GOING TO PACK UP AND I'M STILL GONNA BE AROUND
I, I DECIDED I WAS GONNA STAY.
SO YOU GONNA DO IT? YEAH, I'LL DO IT FROM HERE.
THIS IS CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 0 6 7 2 PD, DP COS GREAT COMMONS REZONING WITH PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT COMPRISED OF OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND OPEN SPACE.
THE 43.3 ACRE SITE IS ZONED ID TWO RESEARCH FLEX DISTRICT CONSISTS OF TWO PARCELS AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE ROUNDABOUT AT POST ROAD AND STATE ROUTE 1 61 IN UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD.
UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT OR APPLICANTS COME FORWARD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELVES? GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
UH, MY NAME IS AARON UNDERHILL.
I'M AN ATTORNEY AT UNDERHILL AND HODGE AT 8,000 WALTON PARKWAY IN NEW ALBANY.
UH, WANTED TO, UH, I'M GONNA KICK THIS OFF TONIGHT AND I'M PLEASED TO INTRODUCE A OH YEAH, OKAY.
I, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU YOUR TEAM AN OPTION AND WE HAD A LITTLE STRAW POLL AMONGST THE, UH, BOARD HERE THAT IF YOU WANTED, AND WE'RE ALL HERE, WE'LL STAY AS LATE AS WE WANT, BUT WE'RE MEETING NEXT WEEK AND WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
SO WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPTION BECAUSE YOUR PROJECT REQUIRES A LOT OF CONSIDERATION AND WE'LL STAY AS LATE AS YOU LIKE.
BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE TO NEXT WEEK, WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT.
DID I CONFER WITH THE CLIENT REMIT? YEAH, YEAH, PLEASE DO.
YEAH, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T, YOU YOU,
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I WILL CERTAINLY PAST MY BEDTIME.UM, NUMBER ONE IS THE OTHER ITEM THAT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA.
AND WE'RE JUST WONDERING HOW LONG WE, IF WE HAD A WILD GUESS WHAT THAT WOULD, WHAT, WHAT, HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE WOULD, I THINK IT'S A SCOREBOARD.
IT'S THE HIGH SCHOOL SCOREBOARD.
I THINK THAT, I HOPE THAT'S GONNA BE SHORT
WHAT I MIGHT PROPOSE WOULD, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN HAVING US GIVE OUR PRESENTATION, WHICH WE EXPECT TO BE 15 TO 20 MINUTES, AND WE COULD COME BACK NEXT WEEK AND DO THE BACK AND FORTH, THEN WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL? AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE SOME MORE TO THINK ABOUT PROCEDURALLY, HOW, HOW DOES THAT FEEL FOR THE STAFF? I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE WILL POTENTIALLY HAVE A NEW MEMBER ON THE BOARD NEXT WEEK.
SO I WOULD LIKE THEM TO HAVE THE COMPLETE EXPERIENCE.
AS MUCH AS IT PAINS ME TO HAVE SAT HERE FOR THREE HOURS AND TO DO THIS, WE, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND, AND WE APPRECIATE THE OFFER.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE THIS HEARD NEXT WEEK.
JAMIE, DO YOU NEED A MOTION? DO ALL RIGHT THEN I MOVE TO CONTINUE OR NOT CONTINUE? POSTPONE, POSTPONE,
AND EVERY, EVERYTHING'S BEEN SAID IN TERMS OF POSTPONEMENT AND FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, RIGHT? SO
[COMMUNICATIONS]
I THINK WE'RE GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU, BAIN, FOR COMMUNICATIONS.JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS.
SO NEXT WEEK WE ARE EXPECTING TO HAVE A NEW MEMBER, UH, COUNCIL IS EXPECTED TO APPOINT, UH, THE NEW MEMBER ON MONDAY.
AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THEY WILL BE ONBOARD BY NEXT WEEK'S MEETING.
SO, UH, WE'LL INCLUDE THAT ON THE AGENDA.
OBVIOUSLY WE'LL INCLUDE THE, UH, UH, THIS ITEM THAT WE JUST POSTPONED.
AND THE ONLY OTHER ITEM, WELL THERE WERE TECHNICALLY TWO ITEMS. WE'LL DECIDE WHETHER WE PICK UP ON THE SECOND ONE.
BUT THE, THE OFFICIAL ITEM IS, UH, UM, TEXT MODIFICATION FOR DUBLIN TOYOTA HIGH SCHOOL, THE SCOREBOARD.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT SHOULD NOT TAKE LONG AT ALL.
AND, AND THEN WE WERE, UH, PLANNING ON PROVIDING YOU, YOU KNOW, WE DO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS AND WE DID SOME CODE AMENDMENTS IN RECENT MONTHS THAT A LOT FOR EXPANDED ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS, BUT WE HAVE NOT, UH, REGULARLY RE REPORTED THOSE TO YOU AS WE SHOULD.
SO WE WERE HOPING TO, UH, PROVIDE THAT DATA.
SO WE'LL, UH, WE'LL PLAY THAT BY EAR IN TERMS OF WHETHER WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT NEXT WEEK.
BUT, UH, UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS A REMINDER, HOPEFULLY YOU ALL GOT A NOTICE ABOUT THE PRESENTATION, ABOUT WALKABILITY THAT'S, UH, TAKING PLACE NEXT WEEK AS WELL.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN INTERESTING, UH, PRESENTATION.
SO A NOTED PER PERSON SPEAKING ON THE SUBJECT,
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CORRECT? YES.UH, JEFF SPEC IS WELL KNOWN INTERNATIONALLY AS THE, THE EXPERT ON W AND HE WROTE THE BOOK, WHACKABLE CITY.
THAT IS A RESOURCE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS THAT LOOK AT THAT.
AND MR. SPEC, UH, IS PART OF A TEAM THAT THE CITY HAS RETAINED TO LOOK AT THE WESTBRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR AND TO ALSO HELP US REFINE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE TOUCHED ON WITH, WITH EAST BRICK STREET.
SO, UH, THIS WILL BE PART OF THAT EFFORT AS WELL.
SO THIS WILL BE PART OF THE KICKOFF OF THAT EFFORT.
AND THEN WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE SOMETHING, UM, A LITTLE MORE FIRM BY JUNE.
HE'D BE BACK IN TOWN TO START PRESENTING SOME IDEAS WITH AN EXPECTATION THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF A PLAN FOR THAT CORRIDOR LATER IN THE YEAR.
DEFINITELY WORTH ATTENDING, IF YOU CAN.
SO, IS THAT IT, BASSEN? THAT IS IT FROM STAFF.
AND SO THE COMMISSION KNOWS I AM NOT HERE NEXT WEEK, SO MR. ALEXANDER WILL BE THE CHAIR FOR EVERYTHING.
THAT'S GONNA BE A VERY, VERY LONG DISCUSSION.
I, I'VE HEARD THE RESIDENTS ARE COMING OUT TO DISCUSS IT, SO THERE YOU GO.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT WE'RE ADJOURNED.