* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S WEBSITE. PLEASE JOIN ME NOW IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. THANK YOU EVERYONE. MR. MAXWELL, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. ALEXANDER? HERE. MR. CHINOOK? HERE. MS. DAMER. MR. GARVIN? HERE. MS. HARDER? HERE. MR. WE HERE [ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES ] AT THIS TIME, I'D ALSO LIKE, UH, TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES. SO A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD. SO MOVE SECOND. NO, THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. OKAY. UH, TAKE THE VOTE, PLEASE. MR. CHINOOK? YES. MR. WE? YES. MS. HARDER? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. GARVIN? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATTING A PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION. IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY. OUR PROCEDURES TONIGHT WILL BE THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION. THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE, ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD. UNDER EACH APPLICATION, PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS. FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SIDE CONVERSATIONS, APPLAUSE, OR OTHER AUDIBLE REACTION TO PUBLIC COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS OF COMMISSIONERS, STAFF, OR APPLICANTS. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID ON THE RECORD AND THAT ALL HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. THIS PROTECTS THE PROCESS FOR WHICH IS, WHICH IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CONCERN. SO I ASSUME THERE'S SOME FOLKS HERE TO TESTIFY TONIGHT. SO I AM GOING TO SWEAR IN WITNESSES AT THIS POINT. SO ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE CASE, IT MUST BE SWORN IN. PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE AS I SAY IT. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THE COMMISSION? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. OUR FIRST [Case #26-008INF] CASE TONIGHT IS CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 0 0 8 INF GERMANE HONDA DUBLIN, EXPANSION, INFORMAL REVIEW REQUEST YOUR REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR SITE IMPROVEMENTS AND EXPANSION OF THE GERMAN HONDA CAMPUS. THE 14.84 ACRE SITE IS ZONED B-S-D-S-C-N BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SAWMILL ROAD IN DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'D ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION. IF YOU COULD TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. THERE WE GO. . GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF COMMISSION. THANK YOU. MY NAME'S JILL TANGEMAN. I'M A PARTNER WITH RORY SATERS, SEYMOUR AND PEAS, 52 EAST GAY STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO. UH, WE APPRECIATE THE TIME THIS EVENING. UM, I WANTED TO, UH, BEGIN BY SAYING THAT WE ARE HERE TO RECEIVE YOUR FEEDBACK THIS EVENING. UM, I'M GOING TO ALLOW, UH, DAVE CALDY WITH OUR CALL TO GO THROUGH THE PLAN IN DETAIL. UM, BUT MYSELF AND JESSICA GERMAINE, WHO IS HERE WITH ME THIS EVENING, UM, ARE GONNA TELL YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND HERE FIRST. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE DEALERSHIP IS AN EXISTING BUSINESS, AND WE ARE HOPING TO IMPROVE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THAT SITE, UH, THROUGH NEW DESIGN ELEMENTS. WE ARE ALSO HOPING TO INCORPORATE THE, UH, FORMER RIGHT RUG BUILDING INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT. SO WE ARE SEEKING YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT, UH, THAT PROPOSAL THIS EVENING. UM, I DO WANT TO AGAIN EMPHASIZE THIS IS AN EXISTING BUSINESS. UH, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE CITY'S FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, THE BRIDGE PARK PLAN, AND WE, UH, ARE TRYING TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, [00:05:01] THE ASPIRATIONS IN THOSE PLANS AS WE PROPOSE, UH, RENOVATIONS TO THE SITE AND THE INCORPORATION OF THE WRIGHT RUG BUILDING INTO THIS PROJECT. HOWEVER, THIS IS AN EXISTING BUILDING AND AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, AND SO THERE ARE SOME FACTORS IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, UH, THAT ARE GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO INCORPORATE. UH, IN PARTICULAR, I THINK WE'LL END UP HAVING A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, ACCESS MANAGEMENT, TRAFFIC PLANNING, AND THROUGH STREETS. UM, AS I THINK YOU'LL HEAR FROM JESSICA GERMAINE, UM, HAVING, UH, THROUGH STREETS THROUGH, UH, THE INVENTORY LOTS, UH, IS VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR US. UH, IT ATTRACTS CRIME, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING DUBLIN WANTS, AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT. SO WE REALLY HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF HOW OUR TRAFFIC PATTERNS FLOW, UH, HOW MUCH PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IS ALLOWED INTO OUR, UH, INVENTORY LOTS. AND SO I THINK A LOT OF THOSE, UH, PLANS IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND IN THE, UH, THE BRIDGE PARK PLAN, THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE GOALS AND THOSE PLANS, AND IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE IGNORING THOSE. UM, BUT IF WE WERE STARTING FROM SCRATCH WITH VACANT LAND, IT'D CERTAINLY BE EASIER TO INCORPORATE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, UH, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT. BUT THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT ALREADY STANDS AND HAS BEEN, UH, A VALUABLE PART OF THE DUBLIN COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME. AND, AND WE'D LIKE IT TO REMAIN THAT WAY. UM, UH, JUST A FEW TECHNICAL THINGS. UM, THIS IS, I UNDERSTAND A NON-CONFORMING BUSINESS, BUT IT IS PERMITTED TO REMAIN SO LONG AS, UH, AND WE'RE ALLOWED TO EXPAND UNDER THE DUBLIN CODE. SO LONG AS, YOU KNOW, OUR EXPANSION IS NOT INJURIOUS, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. SIMILARLY, THE RIGHT RUG SITE WILL NEED A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, UH, AND WE BELIEVE WE CAN MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CONDITIONAL USE, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THAT WE WON'T CREATE A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. AGAIN, GIVEN THAT THIS IS AN EXISTING BUSINESS, UH, AND WE'VE LIVED HERE HARMONIOUSLY FOR A LONG TIME, WE, WE CAN MEET ALL OF THE, THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY AS WE COME FORWARD, UH, WITH MORE FORMAL APPLICATIONS. UM, ON A FINAL NOTE, WE ARE HERE IN THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION ULTIMATELY, UH, AND THE GOAL IS TO REACH, UH, PLANS FOR THIS SITE REDEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT DO MEET THE GOALS IN YOUR FUTURE VISIONS, BUT ALSO ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE, UH, IN A MANNER THAT IS, UM, ECONOMICALLY BENEFICIAL BOTH TO US AND TO YOU. SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JESSICA AND SHE CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, AS SHE SAID, MY NAME IS JESSICA GERMAINE. I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF GERMAINE MOTOR COMPANY, FOURTH GENERATION BUSINESS, AND WE HAVE ENJOYED DOING BUSINESS IN DUBLIN AS A HONDA DEALER SINCE 2010 AT THAT LOCATION ON SAW MILL ROAD. UM, ONE IN THREE VEHICLES IN DUBLIN IS A HONDA. UM, WE ARE, UH, THE LARGEST AUTO DEALER IN DUBLIN. CURRENTLY. WE SELL APPROXIMATELY 3000 CARS A YEAR. UM, WE SERVICE ABOUT 150 CUSTOMERS A DAY, UM, AND WE CONTINUE TO GROW. SO, UM, WE ARE THE ONLY HONDA STORE IN CENTRAL OHIO THAT IS NOT, UM, FACILITY COMPLIANT AND HAS NOT BEEN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. UM, IN FACT, LAST WEEK I HAD THE FIRST VISIT FROM A HIGH SALES, UM, DIRECTOR OF SALES IN NORTH AMERICA FROM CALIFORNIA FOR THE FIRST TIME, UM, VISIT LAST WEEK. THEY STAY AT BRIDGE PARK, UM, BUT THEY DO NOT VISIT OUR STORE. UM, THEY TEND TO GO TO, UH, COMPLIANT FACILITIES. UM, BUT SHE MADE A VISIT AND HER FIRST QUESTION WAS, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF, UM, YOUR FACILITY AND YOUR PLANS FOR GROWTH? SO I TOLD HER THAT WE ARE, UM, WORKING WITH THE CITY, UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE GOOD NEWS SOON. UM, WE ARE, UH, IN NEED OF MORE SPACE. WE HAVE CARS PARKED, UM, ON THREE OTHER PLACES, UM, IN THE VICINITY. THAT'S NOT ON OUR LOT, THAT IS NOT IDEAL EFFICIENT OR, UM, FINANCIALLY OPTIMAL. WE'VE HAD TWO, UH, WE HAD 20 BREAK-INS OFFSITE, UM, BEHIND US IN ONE WEEKEND IN NOVEMBER TO THE TUNE OF A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SAFETY, IT IS BETTER FOR US TO, UM, HAVE OUR INVENTORY, UM, IN ONE PROXIMITY, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. UM, LIKE SHE SAID, WE ARE HERE IN THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION, UM, WITH LOVE TO UPGRADE OUR FACILITIES AND THE RIGHT RUG, RUG BUILDING IS VERY, UM, IMPORTANT TO US SO THAT WHATEVER, UM, DESIGN AND FACILITY WE, UM, END UP, UH, BEING ABLE TO CONSTRUCT, WE NEED MORE, UM, [00:10:01] BUILDING SPACE SO THAT WE CAN OPERATE WHILE WE, UM, DO THE CONSTRUCTION THAT IS, UM, NECESSARY FOR OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR EMPLOYEES. AND IT WOULD ALLOW US MORE SPACE TO DO THAT SO THAT, UM, WE COULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS WE, UM, DEMO ONE OR THE OTHER BUILDINGS. SO, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION VERY MUCH. UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS AND, AND GOOD, YOU KNOW, UM, RESIDENTS AND, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS AND HELP TAKE CARE OF THE MANY THOUSANDS OF CUSTOMERS WE DO CURRENTLY. UM, SO THANK YOU TONIGHT. HI EVERYBODY. I'M DAVE CALDY WITH ARCH ALL ARCHITECTS, 49 EAST THIRD, UH, AVENUE, COLUMBUS, OHIO. UM, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION OF THE DESIGN OF, UM, THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE THUS FAR. OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW. THE, ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY IS THE CONDITIONAL USE, UH, ASPECT. SO THE RIGHT RUG PROPERTY IS NOT PART OF THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY. UM, THERE ARE MANY BENEFITS THAT WE SEE OF GETTING THAT TO BE PART OF THE GERMANE CAMPUS. AND WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO OVER TODAY IS MORE OF A INITIAL CONCEPT OF WHAT THAT DESIGN MIGHT LOOK LIKE. WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S GONNA BE SOME CHANGES AND SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THAT AS WE GET MORE DETAILED WITH THE PLANS. UM, BUT THIS IS AN INITIAL STARTING POINT FOR THE CONVERSATION. SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL, UM, WERE STAYING FOCUSED ON THE, THE MAIN THING, WHICH IS THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE RIGHT RUG PROPERTY THAT'S NOT, UH, PART OF THEIR CAMPUS QUITE YET. SO WITH THAT, THE NEXT, UM, SLIDE, IF WE CAN GO INTO BOOST CONTROL IN THE SLIDES. THERE WE GO. PERFECT. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING CAMPUS. UM, YOU HAVE THE LARGE NEW CAR BUILDING THAT'S IN THE CENTER TO THE RIGHT OF THAT ON THE DRAWING. THIS IS PLAN NORTH, BUT TO THE RIGHT OF THAT ON THE DRAWING IS THE EXISTING PRE-OWNED FACILITY. AND THEN ALL THE WAY ON THE LEFT OR THE SOUTH WOULD BE THE RIGHT RUG, UM, LOCATION. AND IF YOU FLIP TO THE NEXT PAGE, WHAT WE'RE INTENDING TO DO OR PROPOSING TO DO IS REMOVE BOTH OF THE EXISTING HONDA STORES. THEY'RE BOTH, UM, VERY OLD, THEY'RE VERY TIRED. THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN BOTH OF THOSE BUILDINGS. THERE'S, UM, THE NEW, UM, THE GROWTH OF THE FACILITY AND WHAT THE, THE COMPANY NEEDS TO GROW AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, FUNCTIONING FACILITIES A MUCH LARGER, NICER BUILDING. SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE, UH, KIND OF THE NEW HONDA PROTOTYPE. THAT IMAGE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER IS WHAT THE, UM, THE CURRENT HONDA PROTOTYPE IS. THIS COULD CALL THIS THE BLUE STAGE. IT'S A BIG GLASS, MODERN, UM, MODERN VIEW WITH CANTILEVERED AWNINGS AND SOME LOUVERS. THOSE WHITE ELEMENTS OFF THE FRONT ARE LOUVERS. SO THAT WOULD BE IN THIS PROPOSAL RIGHT ON SAWMILL. AND SO WE KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS GET BUILDINGS CLOSE TO SAWMILL AND HAVE, UM, FRONTAGE COVERED ALONG SAWMILL ITSELF. THIS LOT IS A LITTLE UNIQUE BECAUSE IT HAS MULTIPLE FRONTAGES TO IT. UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE, UH, BUILDINGS THAT CAN KIND OF WRAP AROUND THE FULL PERIMETER. SO WE HAVE CHOSEN TO, UH, FOCUS ON SAWMILL, AT LEAST IN THIS, UH, PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE HERE. SO WE HAVE THE SHOW, UH, THE SHOWROOM, UH, AS THE BLUE ELEMENT. THE GREEN WOULD BE THE NEW BIG SERVICE FACILITY. THE WHITE PART OF THAT ON THAT BIG BUILDING IS THE SERVICE DRIVE AS YOU COME IN. AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO PROPOSE TO ADD AN ADDITION ONTO THE RIGHT RUG FACILITY TO ALSO GET THAT CLOSER TO SAWMILL TO GET MORE OF THAT PEDESTRIAN WALK THAT WOULD HAPPEN ALONG SAWMILL. THERE'D BE A SIDEWALK THAT WOULD SHOW UP THERE, UH, LANDSCAPING ALL THE, ALL THE DETAILS THAT WE'LL GET INTO IN A LATER DAY. BUT THE OTHER THING YOU CAN SEE ON THIS DRAWING IS THE, UM, THE RED OUTLINE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. SO OUR INTENT WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE USED CAR BUILDING, WHICH IS THE SMALLER BUILDING THAT THE NEW BUILDING IS BASICALLY ON TOP OF, BUILD THE NEW BUILDING. AND ALL OF THE FUNCTION THAT'S IN THAT USED CAR BUILDING IS GONNA MOVE INTO THE, UH, THE CURRENT NEW CAR BUILDING AS WELL AS THE RIGHT RUG FACILITY. SO THE RIGHT RUG FACILITY BECOMES, UH, AN EXPANSION AREA FOR, EVEN FOR A TEMPORARY NATURE AS CONSTRUCTION IS BEING DONE. A PROJECT LIKE THIS IS, UM, IS NOT A FAST, UM, NOT A QUICK THING TO ACCOMPLISH. UM, SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T LOSE ANY SERVICE BASE OR ANY FUNCTIONALITY THAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. AS JESSICA WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE VOLUME THAT THEY DO THERE. UM, THERE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT NOT TO TURN OFF THE CURRENT ACTIVITIES THAT ARE, UH, THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING AT. SO AFTER THE NEW BUILDING IS BUILT, UM, THE NEW CAR BUILDING, WHICH IS JUST TO THE KIND OF PLAN LEFT OF THAT OR CENTER ON THIS DRAWING WOULD COME DOWN. UM, WE WOULD HAVE, [00:15:01] UH, YOU CAN SEE ON THE DRAWING THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF LIKE A LANDSCAPE ARTICULATION OF SOME OF THE ACCESS THROUGH THE PROPERTY, UH, BOTH FROM, UM, KIND OF THE EAST TO THE WEST AS WELL AS THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH. UM, AND WE'RE INTENDING THAT THE, THE LARGE BUILDING WOULD BE PREDOMINANTLY THE NEW AND USED CAR SALES SERVICE. ALL THAT STUFF WOULD HAPPEN UP THERE. WE HAVE IT PRESENTED ON THE CORNER, RIGHT WHERE, UM, THE INTERSECTION WHERE YOU TURN IN, UM, AND KIND OF WRAP AROUND. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY IMPORTANT CORNER, UH, FOR DUBLIN ENTERING INTO THE PROPERTY. SO WE WANTED TO GET THE BUILDING AS CLOSE TO THAT AS, AS WE COULD, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT ORIENTED IN THAT DIRECTION. BUT THIS, THE PROPOSAL WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS, UM, AS BUILDABLE, UM, IT ALLOWS THEM TO STAY OPERATING, UH, DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS ENTIRE THING TO OCCUR. UM, AND WE'D LIKE TO GET MORE FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS, BUT AGAIN, UM, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT MORE FEEDBACK WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON WHAT THIS BECOMES EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. BUT IDEALLY WE'RE WALKING OUTTA HERE WITH A WARM FUZZY FROM YOU GUYS THAT SAYS, YEAH, CONDITIONAL USE IS GOOD. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A WIN FOR US TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. HOLT. UH, STAFF PRESENTATION. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. THE CURRENT SITE IS LOCATED IN YELLOW AND IT IS ZONED BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 13 ACRES, AND WITH THE ADDITION OF THE RIGHT RUG PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES. LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT FOR YOU. THE DUBLIN FOOD PANTRY IS TO THE WEST OF WRIGHT RUG. PARTY CITY IS TO THE SOUTH AND THE CITY OF COLUMBUS IS DIRECTLY TO THE EAST. THE APPLICANT CHOSE THIS OPTIONAL INFORMAL REVIEW PROCESS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FEEDBACK AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. AND TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WITH THE ZONING AND WHETHER OR NOT DESIGN CONCEPTS ARE APPROPRIATE. VERY BRIEFLY, I'LL GO OVER SOME HISTORY OF THE SITE. A CAR DEALERSHIP HAS BEEN ON THIS SITE FROM AT LEAST 2001. IN 2012, THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE WAS ADOPTED AND THERE'S SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THAT CODE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE THE VISION OF THE CODE. OVER TIME, BETWEEN 2018 AND 2021, THERE WERE VARIOUS REQUESTS FROM GERMAINE HONDA FOR REMODELING THE SITE. AND THESE WERE APPROVED. THE BUILDING LOCATIONS IN THE GENERAL LAYOUT WERE KEPT. THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS ULTIMATELY NOT CONSTRUCTED, AND IN 2024 IT DID EXPIRE. SO TODAY THE PROPOSAL IS FOR SITE REDEVELOPMENT AND AS WE SAW REMOVAL OF EXISTING BUILDINGS AND EXPANSION ONTO A NEW SITE, STARTING THE DISCUSSION WITH THE BROADEST CONCEPTS AND THEN I'LL MOVE ON TO THE MORE SPECIFIC, THE FUTURE LAND USE IS PART OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN OR ENVISION DUBLIN. THIS SITE IS SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AS MIXED USE URBAN, WHICH EMPHASIZES A STRONG MIX OF USES IN AN ACTIVE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT. COMMERCIAL OFFICE, HOSPITALITY, MULTIFAMILY RESTAURANTS ARE ALL ENVISIONED. SUPPORTING USES ARE HARDSCAPE PLAZAS, PUBLIC SQUARES, PATIOS BUILDINGS ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE THREE TO SIX STORIES TALL, SITTING ON GRIDED STREETS WITH WIDE SIDEWALKS, LOOKING MORE DEEPLY INTO THE COMMUNITY PLAN. THE SITE HERE IS OVERLAYING ON THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SPECIAL AREA PLAN. AND THAT PLAN CONFIRMS THE SITE AS SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS CHARACTERIZED MORE SPECIFICALLY BY WALKABILITY, SMALL FLOOR PLATE, MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS, MULTI-FAMILY. THE IDEA IS THAT STRUCTURED PARKING WOULD COME WITH THE HIGHER DENSITIES, AND THERE IS SPECIAL DISCUSSION ABOUT DENSITY AND WALKABILITY ARE KEY TO ACHIEVING THE FUTURE GOALS OF THE CODE. WITHOUT THESE, THE PLAN NOTES THAT THE AREA WILL PROBABLY REMAIN VEHICULAR IN CHARACTER [00:20:01] AS WE MOVE INTO THE ACTUAL ZONING. THE INTENT FOR THE SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, AGAIN, IS WALKABLE AND ACTIVE, WHERE PHYSICAL AND VISUAL CONNECTIONS ARE IMPORTANT. AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL CONSISTENT WITH ENVISION DUBLIN COMMERCIAL CENTER BUILDINGS ARE PERMITTED, AS NOTED IN RED ON THE MAP HERE, AND IT APPEARS THAT THE PROPOSED BUILDING MIGHT FALL UNDER THAT COMMERCIAL CENTER CATEGORY. THERE IS A SHOPPING CORRIDOR IDENTIFIED IN THE DARKER PINK OVAL THAT IS ADJACENT TO THIS SITE. AND FOR THAT CORRIDOR, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL AND WELL-DEFINED PEDESTRIAN REALMS ARE ANTICIPATED. THERE ARE POTENTIAL GATEWAY OPPORTUNITIES ALONG SAWMILL, INCLUDING THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THIS SITE. SO HERE THE SITE IS OVERLAYING ON THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT STREET NETWORK PLAN, WHICH IS A PART OF THE ZONING. THERE ARE THREE FAMILIES OF STREETS. SAWMILL IS CONSIDERED A CORRIDOR CONNECTOR. DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE IS A DISTRICT CONNECTOR AND IT CURRENTLY CURVES AROUND THE SITE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER, BUT IT'S ANTICIPATED TO CHANGE TO A T INTERSECTION WITH JOHN SHIELD'S PARKWAY. WHEN, WHERE JOHN SHIELD'S PARKWAY COMES THROUGH ALL THE WAY TO SAWMILL. NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS ARE CONTEMPLATED WITHIN THE SITE, AND THESE ARE SHOWN IN GREEN DASHES. PRINCIPLE FRONTAGE STREETS ARE IMPORTANT FOR CHARACTER IMPLEMENTATION, AND THESE ARE OUTLINED IN BLACK ON THIS MAP. THE SITE IS UNIQUELY SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY PRINCIPLE FRONTAGE. STREETS AND BUILDINGS ARE MEANT TO FRONT ONTO THOSE STREETS, AS THE NAME IMPLIES. IN THIS CASE, UH, WE ARE EAGER TO COMPLETE THE SIGNALED INTERSECTION AT SNUFFER, AND THIS MIGHT BE AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR SITE ACCESS. THERE IS, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INCREASED PEDESTRIAN ACCESS HERE, WHICH WOULD WORK VERY WELL WITH THE EXISTING CODA BUS STOP AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THIS SITE. WE ALREADY HAVE CIP PROJECTS THAT ARE APPROVED AT THIS LOCATION TO IMPROVE THE BUS STOP, AND THIS IS ALSO A CONTEMPLATED GATEWAY AS WE SAW PREVIOUSLY. SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY BUILD WALKABILITY, ESPECIALLY INTO THIS CORNER. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. THESE ARE PHOTOS FROM THE GENERAL SURROUNDING CONDITIONS, INCLUDING VIEWS TO SAWMILL AND FROM DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE. HERE IS THE SITE'S NORTH BUILDING, UH, AGAIN, AN EXISTING BUILDING. AND AS WE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT, THIS IS PROPOSED TO EVENTUALLY BE DEMOLISHED. THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE SOUTH BUILDING ALONG SAWMILL. AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE DEMOLISHED. THE BODY AND SERVICE SHOP BEHIND THE SOUTH BUILDING WOULD MOVE TO THE RIGHT RUG SITE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. AND THEN THIS IS THE RIGHT RUG SITE ITSELF, WHICH WOULD BE THE SUBJECT OF THE EXPANSION. FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT, THIS IS THE VIEW TO THE REAR OF THE DUBLIN FOOD PANTRY FROM RIGHT RUG. THERE ARE PRIVATE PARKING AND ACCESS AGREEMENTS FOR THE PANTRY AND RIGHT RUG. AND AGAIN, THESE ARE PRIVATE. WE INCLUDED THAT LANGUAGE IN YOUR PACKET TO BE AWARE OF IT. IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD ENFORCE, BUT WE DO NEED TO BE AWARE OF IT. SO LOOKING AT THE PROVIDED SITE PLAN, AND I'LL GO OVER THIS QUICKLY JUST POINTING OUT SOME, SOME SPECIFIC ITEMS. 'CAUSE WE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT ABOUT THIS NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT AND THE RELATED CRITERIA ARE LISTED ON THE SLIDE HERE. UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL [00:25:01] IS SUBJECT TO EXPANSION CRITERIA IN THE CODE AT 1 53 0.059. THE NEW BUILDINGS ARE OUTLINED IN BLACK. AND THE RIGHT RUG PROPERTY USE WOULD CHANGE FROM RETAIL TO VEHICULAR SALES AND REPAIR. AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE CONDITIONAL USE. SO QUESTION ONE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED USE BASED ON THE EXPANSION AND THE CONDITIONAL USE CRITERIA. AND THEN SECONDLY, WE WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT THE ANTICIPATED STREET NETWORK MAP, WHICH IS OVERLAYING ON TOP OF THIS PROPOSAL. THE DISTRICT CONNECTORS ARE IN ORANGE, AND WE SEE THAT NEW INTERSECTION CONTEMPLATED AT DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE AND JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY WILL REMEMBER THAT THE EXTERIOR STREETS ARE ALL CLASSIFIED AS PRINCIPAL FRONTAGE STREETS. AND THAT DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE IS ANTICIPATED AS A SHOPPING CORRIDOR. THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS ARE CONTEMPLATED IN THE GREEN DASHES THAT YOU SEE. AND THEN THE SNUFFER INTERSECTION COMPLETION IS INDICATED VIA THE BLACK ARROWS. AND WE SAW PREVIOUSLY THE, UH, CODE OF BUS STOP AND POTENTIAL GATEWAY AT THE BLUE BURST. AND AGAIN, THIS PROJECT IS IN THE EARLIEST STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT AND WE CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF ON, ON VARIOUS OPTIONS. AND WE'RE CERTAINLY EAGER TO, UH, CONTINUE EVALUATING ALL DIFFERENT ASPECTS AS THE PROJECT PROGRESSES. AND THAT LEADS US TO QUESTION NUMBER TWO. IS THE COMMISSION SUPPORTING THE STREET NETWORK AS SHOWN, OR HOW MIGHT IT BE MORE RESPONSIVE? AND THEN A VERY MUCH RELATED QUESTION IS THE COMMISSION'S SUPPORT FOR THE SITE LAYOUT AS SHOWN. AND FINALLY, WE SAW FROM THE APPLICANT THE CORPORATE ARCHITECTURE ALONG SAWMILL. THE APPLICANT HAS STATED IN THEIR NARRATIVE THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT ARCHITECTURE AT THE BACK OF THESE BUILDINGS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXAMPLES AT THESE EARLY STAGES, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE DETAILS. SO QUESTION FOUR BECOMES SUPPORT FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN APPROACH. AND HERE JUST AS A BIT OF A, UM, RESOURCE FOR YOU ARE SUMMARIES OF THE DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR EXPANSIONS OF EXISTING USES IN BRIDGE STREET AND THE CONDITIONAL USES. AND THESE ARE ALSO SUMMARIZED IN YOUR REPORT, BUT WE CAN COME BACK TO THESE IF NEEDED DURING DISCUSSION. AND FINALLY, WE HAVE THE PROPOSED QUESTIONS RANGING FROM BROAD TO SPECIFIC AND I PREVIOUSLY SUMMARIZED THOSE. AND THEN OF COURSE, ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BY THE COMMISSION. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MS. HOLT. THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSION NOW FOR QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME MS. MS. DESER TO THE, AND WE DULY NOTED THAT SHE HAS JOINED THE COMMISSION MEETING TONIGHT. AND WE HAVE, UH, UH, MR. BACHELOR WHO'S FILLING IN FOR MR. BOGS TONIGHT. SO THANK YOU ALL. UM, DAN, I'M GONNA START WITH YOU TONIGHT WITH QUESTIONS. GREAT, THANK YOU. SO I GUESS I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS AROUND THE CHALLENGES FOR VANDALISM AND, UM, ISSUES WITH KIND OF HAVING ACCESS INSIDE THE SITE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT I THINK IS AT ODDS WITH THE FUTURE TIGHTER BLOCK LAYOUT IDEA. SO, UM, FIRST I GUESS I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED BY THE NUMBER OF, UH, VANDALISM INCIDENTS YOU MENTIONED IN NOVEMBER. THESE ARE NEW CARS, NOTHING NECESSARILY INSIDE THAT, THAT SOMEBODY WOULD STEAL. IS IT TO STEAL THE CAR OR WHAT'S THE MOTIVATION THERE? IS IT JUST VANDALISM? THEY STEAL THE TIRE AND WHEELS. UH, I SEE. UM, AND THEN GIVEN THE FUTURE LAND LU LAND USE IDEAS THAT WE SEE HERE, THE IDEA THAT THIS MIGHT BECOME A MUCH DENSER NEIGHBORHOOD, DO YOU HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS ABOUT LONG-TERM EXISTENCE THERE IN A DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD? NO, I JUST, I THINK IDEALLY WE, UM, KEEP ALL OF OUR, I HAVE THE ABILITY TO KEEP OUR INVENTORY CONTAINED MM-HMM . IN ONE AREA. [00:30:01] IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WALK OVER ACROSS THE STREET AND BRING CARS BACK AND IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY EASY OR IDEAL OR EFFICIENT TO HAVE IT ALL SPREAD OUT IN DIFFERENT AREAS. SO IF WE COULD EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT THERE, UM, THAT WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO LIKE WRAP OUR ARMS AROUND IT, IF YOU WILL, UM, AND HAVE IT IN ONE LOCATION. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE FOR ENCLOSING IT. AND THEN WHEN YOU SEE THE, UH, SNUFFER ROAD IN PARTICULAR, UM, THE KIND OF IDEAL FOR THE FUTURE OF THAT ROAD, KIND OF CUTTING RIGHT THROUGH THE HEART OF THAT BUILDING, IS THAT A HONDA REQUIREMENT THAT THERE'S MORE FRONTAGE ON THE SAWMILL SIDE, OR WOULD YOU SEE A POSSIBILITY TO REORIENT THE CONSTRUCTION MORE, UH, EAST WEST FOR THAT BUILDING AND CREATE KIND OF A PERIMETER THAT WAY? YEAH, I, WE WERE, THAT'S AN IDEA THAT WE COULD DO AS WELL. I THINK WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO, TRYING TO DO, THE CURRENT MOTIVATION IS TO STRENGTHEN THE EDGE ON SAWMILL, WHICH IS WHY IT'S ORIENTED ON SAWMILL. UM, BUT ROTATING IT TO YOUR POINT, ROTATING AT 90 DEGREES AND HUGGING KIND OF THE NORTH EDGE OF THE PROPERTY CERTAINLY COULD BE DONE, BUT THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE COVERAGE ON SAWMILL. MM-HMM . DO YOU SEE, UH, ANY CHALLENGES FROM HONDA TO THE, UM, IDEA THAT YOU COULD GIVE REAR TREATMENTS MORE OF THAT BRIDGE PARK STYLING? NO. NO. THAT, THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE. AND EVEN IN THE WAY THAT IT'S ORIENTED CURRENTLY, THE, THE SERVICE PART OF THE BUILDING, WHICH YOU DON'T SEE A PICTURE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THE BUILDING LOOK AS NICE AS WE NEED IT TO LOOK. UM, THERE CAN BE WINDOWS, THERE CAN BE, UH, NICE MATERIALS, ACCENTS, ALL THE THINGS THAT, I MEAN, IT'S A VERY, UM, PREDOMINANT CORNER AT THAT LOCATION. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. SO YEAH, THERE, THERE WILL BE, UM, THERE'LL BE A NICE ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT TO THE BUILDING AND THE SAME THING, BY THE WAY GOES TO THE RIGHT RUG. WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT THE RIGHT RUG BUILDING AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES TO THAT BUILDING AS WELL TO KIND OF GET IT ALSO UP TO A NICER APPEARANCE THAN WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY. AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE LOOKING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZE YOUR CONTIGUOUS SPACE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. DO YOU THINK THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO TREAT THAT PERIMETER, UM, MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE SUPPORTIVE OF SIDEWALKS AROUND? I KNOW IT'S VERY EARLY, THE PLANS WE SAW MAYBE ON THE NORTH END DIDN'T HAVE ROOM FOR A WIDE SIDEWALK IN PARTICULAR. UM, BUT IN TERMS OF LIKE POCKET PARKS OR ANY OF THAT THING, DO YOU HAVE ANY WIGGLE ROOM IN YOUR SPACE FOR THAT COR THAT SORT OF THING THAT WOULD BLEND THE WALKABILITY A LITTLE BIT MORE AS THE DISTRICT EVOLVES? I THINK THE PERIMETER EDGE, THE SIDEWALK AROUND THE EDGE IS, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE NECESSARY AS THIS THING MOVES FORWARD. UM, AS FAR AS POCKET PARKS ARE CONCERNED, THE FOCUS HAS BEEN MAINLY ON SAWMILL RIGHT NOW AND THE CURRENT ENTRY INTO THE PROPERTY. THERE'S ONE CURB CUT OFF OF SAWMILL THAT WE'RE KEEPING THAT ONE, WE HAVE IT LABELED AS LIKE A GRAND ENTRY AND WE DIDN'T REALLY DEVELOP A LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THAT PARTICULAR ZONE WOULD HAVE MORE OF A, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE EXPLAINING RIGHT NOW. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE EDGE PEOPLE WOULD BE WALKING ON, ON SAWMILL. AND IT'S ALSO THE FRONT DOOR TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ENTRY TO THE PROPERTY. YEAH, I WAS GONNA MENTION THE KIND OF GATEWAY ASPECT OF THAT NORTH CORNER. UM, GOT A LITTLE MORE FOR DISCUSSION, BUT THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. GARVIN. LEXANDER, JUST A, JUST A FEW QUESTIONS I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON DAN'S QUESTION. UH, DID HONDA DICTATE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING? NO. OR WAS IT JUST THE FRONT, SO THERE'S NO REASON YOU COULDN'T JUST SHIFT THE SHOWROOM DOWN AND RECONFIGURE THE SERVICE SPACE BEHIND IT, MAINTAIN THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT ALIGN WITH SNUFFER? UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S A SIMILAR, I'M, I'M IMAGINING THAT'S THE SIMILAR QUESTION THAT YOU WERE ASKING BUILDING. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MORE ROTATING, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ROTATING, I'M TALKING ABOUT KEEPING YOUR FRONTAGE ON SAWMILL, BUT MOVING THE SHOW, SO YOU STILL HAVE THE VISIBILITY ON SAWMILL OF THE SHOWROOM, BUT YOU CHANGE THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SERVICE BASE. SO YOU SLIDE THE SHOWROOM DOWN TO CURRENTLY, OH, DOWN TO THE SOUTH, THE END OF THE GREEN. AND WHEN THAT CORNER BECOMES EVEN MORE PROMINENT, YOU'RE GONNA WANT YOUR SHOWROOM THERE BECAUSE THE, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AT THE CORNER AND THEN YOU CHANGE, MAINTAIN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR SERVICE, BUT IT PROJECTS IN THE BACK. MM-HMM . AND THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW, THAT ALLOWS FOR THE ALIGNMENT THAT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW. IS THAT FEASIBLE? YEAH. YEAH. YOU, YES. OKAY. SO YEAH, YOU COULD [00:35:01] SHIFT, NOT THE ROTATE, BUT SHIFT IT OVER AND THEN PUT SERVICE IN THE BACK. YEAH. SO HONDA'S NOT OKAY. NOT DICTATING THE FOOTPRINT. MM-HMM . UM, ANY CONSIDERATION? 'CAUSE THIS WOULD CERTAINLY SOLVE YOUR SECURITY ISSUE, GET THIS CLOSER TO COMPLIANCE, ANY CONSIDERATION OF STRUCTURED PARKING, PARKING GARAGE? UM, WE, THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE QUESTION TO ASK. YEAH, I, WELL I KNOW IT'S AN EXPERIENCE OF QUESTION , BUT IT MAY REDUCE YOUR INSURANCE PREMIUMS. IT MAY, THERE MAY BE A WHOLE, A WHOLE OTHER SET OF THINGS AND IT BRINGS THE PROJECT CLOSER COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. SO IS, ARE YOU SAYING WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW WITH THE, THE GROWTH OF THE FACILITY, WE DON'T FORESEE THAT THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY. RIGHT NOW WITH THE LAYOUT THAT WE HAVE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT WE'RE GAINING AS A RESULT OF DOING THIS HOLDS THAT STUFF THAT'S OFFSITE ONTO THE PROPERTY. SO STRUCTURED PARKING, UM, REALLY ISN'T NECESSARY IN THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. UM, I'D SAY ALSO, UM, STRUCTURED PARKING IS TYPICALLY IN VERY URBAN AREAS. I KNOW WE HAVE IT HERE IN DUBLIN AND IT'S IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT ZONES, BUT FOR A CAR DEALER SPECIFICALLY, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE CARS VERY QUICKLY AND HAVE REALLY GOOD LIGHTING AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO, UM, HAVING THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE GO THROUGH A GARAGE PER SE TO, YOU KNOW, SEE INVENTORY, WHICH IS A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THAT'S NOT AN IDEAL LOCATION TO BE SHOPPING AND LOOKING FOR YOUR CAR. UM, SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT USE. I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS OBVIOUS, BUT LIKE IT'S, MOST OF THE CARS THAT ARE OUT HERE ARE, THEY'RE INVENTORY CARS OR THEY'RE THE PRODUCT THAT'S BEING SERVICED. IT'S NOT PEOPLE DRIVING IN A NORMAL PARKING LOT PER SE. ALRIGHT. UM, WE'LL WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT, ABOUT THAT. DID YOU, DID YOU INTENTIONALLY AVOID ALIGNMENTS WITH THE FUTURE STREETS WITH YOUR ACCESS POINTS TO THE PROPERTY? UM, WHICH, WHICH ARE YOU TALKING SNUFFER WELL, I'M TALKING SNUFFER, I'M TALKING NEXT TO RIGHT RUG. IT DOESN'T, LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS KIND OF AVOIDED. UM, WELL, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, NOT EXACTLY THE NORTH SOUTH ONE. THAT, THAT ONE IS STILL THERE. THE GREEN DASH LINE THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE. UM, THE LOCATION WITH SNUFFER WAS DONE FOR, UM, THE PHASING OF DOING THE BUILDING. BUT I THINK IF WE COULD COME TO THE AGREEMENT THAT THE BUILDING SHIFTS MORE TO THE KIND OF THE RIGHT, IT WOULD AT THAT POINT INTERRUPT THE, THE ONE THAT'S GOING NORTH, SOUTH, THAT OTHER STREET, UM, IT, IT WILL DO THAT. SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE AND FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE'S MORE IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT FOR, OR THAT ONE AT THAT POINT. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS MORE ON, UM, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY IGNORING THE, THE RIGHT RUG, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT'S JUST TO THE RIGHT OF RIGHT RUG, BUT MORE MAINTAINING THE CURRENT CURB LOCATION WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS LOCATED MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. MAY I SAY SOMETHING? SORRY. UM, UH, A BUNCH OR ADDING MORE ROADS THROUGH THE CURRENT SITE, UM, INHIBITS BUSINESS A BIT. IT MAKES THINGS MORE CHALLENGING, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, DIVVY UP BUSINESSES. IT JUST CREATES A LOT OF CHOPPINESS IF YOU UNDER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING. SO, UM, CERTAINLY KEEPING THE FACILITY ALTOGETHER IS OUR IDEAL GOAL FOR LOTS OF REASONS. THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP BETWEEN THE BUSINESSES, UH, IN THE CUSTOMERS WHO ARE THERE FOR SERVICE AND SALES AND UM, IT'S MUCH BETTER FOR THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE. WE HAVE AN OFFSITE EXPERIENCE OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN AND IT IS CREATES A LOT OF CHALLENGES COME WITH IT. SO TO PUT STREETS THROUGH, HAVING EMPLOYEES RUN ACROSS THE STREET TO GET INVENTORY AND UM, YOU KNOW, SHOW CUSTOMERS CARS, UM, IT JUST ISN'T IDEAL. SO CERTAINLY, I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND AND I'M TRYING TO BALANCE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE IDEAL OF LOTS OF ROADS, BUT IT JUST, UM, WOULDN'T BE TOTALLY IDEAL FOR THE CUSTOMER AND OUR EMPLOYEES. YEAH. THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER. MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR THE NICE PRESENTATION AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT YOU ALL ARE BEEN MEETING AND TALKING WITH ONE ANOTHER AND MEETING WITH NEIGHBORS. THAT'S ALL VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. I, UM, WITH ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT SO FORTH, UH, DOES THE CITY EXPECT THAT THE SIDEWALKS THAT WOULD BE, WOULD THEY BE EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALKS JUST LIKE IN OTHER AREAS OR IS THIS, AND HOW DOES CODA, UH, THANK YOU. [00:40:03] GOOD EVENING COMMISSION AND THIS IS CAMERON BURRELL WITH TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY. UH, WE WOULD LOOK TO HAVING THOSE SIDEWALKS BE THE EIGHT FOOT STANDARD THAT'S FOR THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT. AND I WILL SAY THAT THE SIDEWALK ALONG SAWMILL WAS A CIP PROJECT AND IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW WITH IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT CODA BUS STOP. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, I GUESS, UM, I'M THINKING WHEN I'M DRIVING DOWN SAWMILL ROAD AND I'M GOING TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, A NEW CONFIGURATION OF A GATEWAY IN A WAY, AND THEN I'M ALSO GOING TO SEE A NEW BUILDING, THEN I'LL SEE YOUR SIGN TO ENTER, BUT THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE OF YOUR PROPERTY, THE NEW PART WHERE RIGHT. RUG IS, HOW IS THAT GOING TO FEEL LIKE ONE TO ME WHEN I'M DRIVING DOWN SAWMILL ROAD? YEAH, GOOD QUESTION. I THINK THE, THE WAY WE HAVE IT ORIENTED CURRENTLY LENDS ITSELF A LITTLE BIT MORE TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING BEING MORE ON SAWMILL. IF WE, IF WE DO PULL IT BACK, IT'S GONNA BE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE RIGHT RUG, UH, LOCATION. BUT I THINK WHAT WILL BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO FIGURE OUT IS, AND DESIGN IS THE, THE EDGE ON SAWMILL BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING SPECIFICALLY AND WHAT'S ALL HAPPENING IN THERE. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST A SIDEWALK. THERE'S LANDSCAPING, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN, UH, TO KIND OF TIE IT TOGETHER. UM, THAT HASN'T RESOLVED OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW. UM, SO IF I'M DRIVING IN FROM SAWMILL ROAD AND I'M CHURNING INTO IT, AM I GONNA HAVE CONFUSION AS TO WHICH WAY I SHOULD BE GOING OR I, I GUESS THERE'S ANOTHER ROAD ON THE RIGHT ROAD PART OR RIGHT RUG ROAD, UM, AS WELL TOO. BUT ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND THE LAST THING OUR WE INTEND IS TO CREATE CONFUSION FOR OUR CUSTOMERS BECAUSE THAT DOES NOT BODE WELL FOR, FOR US. SO NO, OUR, I BELIEVE OUR, OUR INTENTION IS THAT WITH ONE BUILDING, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY PLACE OF BUSINESS. SO TO COMBINE OUR NEW USED CAR BUILDINGS TO ONE LARGER BUILDING THAT WOULD HAVE ALL THE SERVICE AND THE SALES, THE RIGHT RUG WOULD GIVE US CAPABILITIES OF HAVING AN ACCOUNTING OFFICE, WHICH WE HAVE A LARGE STAFF CURRENTLY, UM, IN ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS. SO IT WOULD BE MORE ADMIN, UM, OFFICES. IT WOULD NOT BE A, A CUSTOMER FACING, UM, DESTINATION. UM, SO I DON'T THINK WITH SIGNAGE, UM, AND THE RIGHT PEOPLE WOULD PULL IN AND, AND BE DIRECTED RIGHT TO THE MAIN BUILDING TO DO THEIR BUSINESS. SO DO YOU SEE YOUR EMPLOYEES PARKING BEHIND RIGHT RUG OR WHERE DO YOU SEE THEM? UM, 'CAUSE YOU MAY HAVE STAFF FROM ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS YEAH. COMING IN. YEAH, I MEAN I HAVEN'T, NOT THAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE TONIGHT. YEAH. BUT I WAS, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I WOULD ASSUME TYPICALLY THE EMPLOYEES PARK IN THE BACK AND YOU GET AS MANY OF THE CUSTOMER, CUSTOMER AND CARS THAT ARE FOR SALE OUT IN THE FRONT. SO IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE UP IN THE KIND OF THE UPPER LEFT CORNER I WOULD ASSUME WOULD BE WHERE EMPLOYEES WOULD PARK POTENTIALLY. AND I, I FEEL LIKE AGAIN, OUR GOAL OF BEING GOOD STEWARDS WITH THE NEIGHBORS OF THE FOOD BANK BEHIND AND UM, YOU KNOW, I SEE THEY DON'T TEND TO HAVE A TON OF PARKING, YOU KNOW, UM, PEOPLE PARKING THERE ALL THE TIME. I THINK THEY HAVE VARIOUS DESIGNATED TIMES AND UM, EVENTS FOR THOSE. SO CERTAINLY WE ARE OPEN TO COOPERATING WITH THEIR SORT OF NEEDS AS WELL. I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE VANDALISM AGAIN ON THAT SPOT. HAVE YOU HAD, 'CAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT VANDALISM ELSEWHERE, BUT ON THAT SPOT, 'CAUSE YOU DO HAVE GATES, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND I DIDN'T KNOW, NOT THAT THOSE GATES ARE GONNA KEEP 'EM OUT. I'VE SEEN THE GATES. UM, WE'VE HAD A FEW INSTANCES, UM, I MEAN ONE'S NOT THAT SPOT IS NOT IMMUNE TO IT, BUT, UM, WE WERE HIT GREATER OFFSITE, UH, IN THE AREA BEHIND AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME. BUT 'CAUSE YOU HAVE LIGHTING AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THEN YEAH, YEAH, FOR SURE. OKAY. UM, AND THEN, SO I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR DUMPSTERS. NOT THAT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT DUMPSTERS TONIGHT, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS. IT WAS ALSO JUST ON MY OWN, THEY SEEM TO BE DOUBLE THE SIZE, UM, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS, THERE WAS A REASON FOR THAT FOR A, A CAR DEALERSHIP AND I'M SORRY TO GO ON A TANGENT WITH THAT, BUT, BUT THEN YOU MIGHT THAT SMALLER SPACE, IF YOU HAD SMALLER YEAH. DOES THAT HIT ANYBODY? NOT THAT YOU HAVE TO ANSWER IN TIME, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THAT WAS, I'M, WE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT PART. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. THEY, THEY'RE PROBABLY DOUBLE IN SIZE OF WHAT I'VE SEEN IN OTHER, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN DUMPSTERS, BUT I JUST THOUGHT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPACING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT SEEMED TO BE, UM, INTERESTING THAT WAY. SO, OKAY. GOOD. ALL RIGHT, WELL THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. HARDER, MR. [00:45:01] CHIN. UH, YEAH, AS THEY MENTIONED, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HAVING THIS INFORM, IT ALWAYS HELPS THE, OUR OVERALL PROCESS. UM, I GUESS I HAVE ONE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY'S GETTING AT IS, DOES THIS PROPERTY DOES, IS THERE A DEVELOPMENT, I'M SURE YOU'VE STUDIED IT, THAT WORKS WITHIN ENVISION DUBLIN'S PLAN FOR THESE STREETS, THE CUT THROUGH A SN OR THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, THE GRID GRIDED NETWORK. DOES THIS SITE WORK IN THAT MODEL YOU WANT? I MEAN, I, I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE ANSWER IS IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, CUT THROUGH STREETS. UM, I THINK AS JESSICA MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, OUR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SERVING CUSTOMERS AND THEY'RE COMING OUT TO LOOK AT CARS AND SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ON THE SITE WITH OUR BUSINESS. AND SO IF YOU HAVE THROUGH STREETS, I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A CONFLICT. UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A, A DIFFICULT SCENARIO. NOW, COULD THERE BE, UH, CONNECTIVITY THAT, YOU KNOW, ALLOWS FOR EMERGENCIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT? FOR SURE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THINGS ALIGNED SO THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO GET THROUGH, UH, RATHER THAN ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH, I THINK ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO, BUT IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO MEET THE EXACT TERMS OF THE, THE PLAN, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO DO THAT. THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS JUST DOESN'T MEET THE THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SMALLER USERS THAT ARE EXISTING IN BETWEEN THOSE THROUGH STREETS. UM, THIS IS JUST AN EXISTING DEALERSHIP. THANK YOU. SO THEN YEAH, PLEASE. SO YES, SORRY. UM, WE ALSO ARE TRYING TO SERVE TWO MASTERS, IF YOU WILL. SO OBVIOUSLY CITY OF DUBLIN AND HONDA, UM, PROBABLY DON'T KNOW. THEY ARE VERY, UM, STRICT AS WELL AS THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR FACILITY SIZE. UM, BAYS IN THE SERVICE AREA, MINIMUM ACREAGE, SQUARE FOOTAGE, NUMBER OF DESKS, NUMBER OF BATHROOMS, NUMBER OF WINDOWS. UM, SO IT'S, UM, IT JUST, ANYTHING THAT EATS AWAY AT OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, CAPABILITY WITH THE FACILITY AND ACREAGE, UM, THEY TELL US HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS WE HAVE TO HAVE. UM, SURE. SO ALL OF THOSE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY LOVE IT, IF WE GO ABO ABOVE, BUT UM, WE JUST TRY TO ACCOMMODATE A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT HERE. SO THAT'S JUST WHERE THE BALANCE COMES TOGETHER. OKAY. SO THEN I GUESS FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WHAT'S OUR TAKE ON THIS? LIKE, ARE WE, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE SNUFFER ROAD EXTENSION AS A VERY, I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG PART OF ENVISION DOUBLE AND SO THAT'S GOTTA BE A SIGNIFICANT CONSIDERATION TO THE SITE. CORRECT. I THINK THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS USE TO ACTUALLY FIT WITHIN THE IDEAS AND THE VISIONS OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT WITH SOME WORK AND REFINEMENT AND COOPERATION BETWEEN THE APPLICANTS AND STAFF AND ALL OF US GETTING CREATIVE. I I DO ABSOLUTELY SEE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS TO BE ACCEPTABLE FROM BOTH SIDES. OKAY. I AGREE WITH YOU. SO THE, THE, SO THEN BACK TO THE APPLICANT. SO THE, I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE, THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS ALL THAT SAID, YOU'VE, UM, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU'VE KIND OF IGNORED THE BRIDGE STREET, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH ENVISION DUBLIN HERE, AND YOU'VE JUST SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA PUT A PROTOTYPICAL SITE ON HERE, WE'RE GONNA DO A FEW THINGS TO MAKE SOME, SOME FRONTAGE. BUT YOU'VE ESSENTIALLY, AND YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION AS TO WHY, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK IF YOU IMPLEMENT. NOW THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SITE FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH AS, AS BRIDGE STREET GROWS AND AS WE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CREATE THIS NETWORK AND THIS STREET FRONT THIS, WE'LL CALL IT A GATEWAY. I, I GUESS FROM THAT STANDPOINT, HEARING WHAT STAFF SAYING, ARE YOU GUYS AMICABLE TO GARAGES, YOU KNOW, TWO, THREE STORY BUILDINGS WORKING WITH US ON THIS NETWORK? AND DEPENDING ON THE ANSWER, HAVE YOU GUYS CONSIDERED MAYBE ANOTHER SITE NEARBY THAT WORKS BETTER FOR WHAT YOU NEED AND WORKS BETTER FOR WHAT WE NEED? SO, BIG QUESTION, , I I, OF COURSE WE'RE HERE, AS I SAID ORIGINALLY IN THE, IN THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION FOR SURE. YEAH. UH, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE ARE DEFINITELY HERE TO TRY TO, TO TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK AND INCORPORATE IT WHERE WE CAN. UM, BUT THERE HAS TO BE COOPERATION ON BOTH SIDES. AND, UH, THIS AGAIN, IS AN EXISTING BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN A LONGSTANDING COMMUNITY PARTNER, UH, PROVIDES A LOT OF JOBS AND A LOT OF INCOME TO, TO DUBLIN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA CONTINUE TO OPERATE HERE. WE WANNA CONTINUE TO BE [00:50:01] SUCCESSFUL HERE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME GIVE AND TAKE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE, THE PROCESS AND I, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IT HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER? I, I DOUBT THAT. UM, BUT I THINK THERE ARE DEFINITELY OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRYING TO WORK THROUGH HOW THIS SITE, UH, DEVELOPS SO THAT IT DOES MEET YOUR GOALS AND IS, UH, AND CAN STILL BE A PROFITABLE PART OF DUBLIN. OKAY. AND, AND HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT OTHER PROPERTY? I MEAN, AGAIN, WE, I'M NOT, I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S A SUPER IMPORTANT BUSINESS AND I, YOU KNOW, VISITED MANY TIMES AND IT'S FRUSTRATING AS HECK TRYING TO GET INTO THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT OVER THERE. BUT IT'S, IT IS DEFINITELY IMPORTANT BUSINESS TO THE AREA. BUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OTHER SITES ON SAWMILL OR IN THIS AREA THAT MIGHT BE BETTER SUITED FOR YOUR NEEDS? NO, WE HAVE NOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN ONE QUESTION. SO CAN YOU, UH, YOU MENTIONED ZONING IN COLUMBUS HERE. CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT COMPONENT AND HOW THAT, HOW IT INFLUENCES THIS PROPERTY? LET ME GET MY NOTES. 'CAUSE I AM NOT, DOES ANYBODY KNOW COMPLETELY FAMILIAR WITH IT OTHER THAN WHAT'S IN THE REPORT? I KNOW THAT, UM, THIS WHOLE AREA IS SET TO CHANGE. AT LEAST THAT'S THE IDEA. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT THE, UM, MS HOLD, THE INTENT OF ZONE OF THE NEW ZONING IN COLUMBUS, AT LEAST INITIALLY WAS TO FOCUS DENSITY ALONG TRANSIT CORRIDORS AND SOM WILL BE ONE OF THOSE. SO YOU'D ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL, IT WOULD BE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, HIGHER DENSITY, ALL TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, OF TRANSIT. AND THAT'S TRUE WITH A NUMBER OF CORRIDORS THROUGHOUT COLUMBUS. THE BUILDING HEIGHTS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT IS ENVISIONED IN BRIDGE STREET PARKING LOCATIONS WOULD BE SIMILAR. THE MIX OF USES WOULD BE SIMILAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. SCH. MS. THOMASON. THANK YOU. UM, I'M GONNA TRY NOT TO REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ASKED, BUT I AM GONNA PUSH A LITTLE BIT, UM, BOTH THE MS. HOLT AND, AND THE GERMANE, UM, APPLICANTS ARE TALKING ABOUT COOPERATING A LITTLE BIT. THERE ARE WAY I'VE HEARD MUSHY PHRASES. THERE ARE WAYS TO BE CREATIVE TO COME TOGETHER. COULD I HEAR SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SUBSTANTIAL? LIKE HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THE CITY'S CONCERNS? AND THEN I'M GONNA ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION. COULD YOU RESPOND TO JERMAINE'S CONCERNS? THE BIG ONE THAT FLASHES TO ME IS THEY WANT NO THROUGH STREETS. SO WHAT WAS THE ENVISION DUBLIN THINKING WHEN THEY SAW THIS 15 ACRE PLOT AND SAID, WE'RE GONNA CUT IT INTO QUADRANTS. AND LIKEWISE FOR YOU, YOU SAW IN VISION DUBLIN, HOW WOULD YOU SEE THINGS BE CUT THROUGH OR THE BUILDING SHIFTED? I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST. I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST. I'M HAPPY TO GIVE THAT A TRY. ENVISION DUBLIN AND THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT WORK IN CONCERT TO HELP ACHIEVE THIS END VISION THAT WE HAVE. AND THE VISION IS THESE GRIDDED STREET PATTERNS, SOMETHING MORE TRADITIONAL THAT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE EVEN IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MORE DENSITY, MORE TYPES OF USES. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CODE WAS SET UP TO ACHIEVE THIS OVER TIME. AND THAT'S PART OF THE THREE. THE THREE, UM, CRITERIA FOR EXPANSIONS OF EXISTING USES IS WE'RE LOOKING THAT THERE'S NO SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON ADJACENT USES. NO HINDRANCE OF THINGS ENVISIONED FOR THE CODE AND COMPLIANCE WITH REASONABLE CONDITIONS TO ENSURE NO ADJACENT USE OR COMMUNITY HARM. SO THAT IS BAKED INTO THE CODE. SO WHAT I WOULD SEE IF, IF I WERE DESIGNING THIS IS, AND THE APPLICANT AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE A [00:55:01] SERIES OF SMALLER BUILDINGS COULD SOMEHOW RING THE SITE AND GIVE THE IMPRESSION OF STREETS. MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO BREAK UP THE PARKING SO THAT IT APPEARS BROKEN UP FROM A VISUAL ASPECT, BUT IT COULD STILL FUNCTION FOR THE BUSINESS. THOSE ARE JUST SOME QUICK OFF THE CUFF IDEAS AND I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE MANY MORE THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, DOES THE CITY ENVISION THOSE CROSS STREETS BEING PUBLIC AND GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROPERTY? OR IS THAT WHEN THE PROPERTY'S NO LONGER A, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW WHEN IT'S NO LONGER A CAR DEALERSHIP? I CAN GIVE YOU THE QUICK ANSWER. IDEALLY, YES, MR. BURRELL . SO FROM OUR STANDPOINT, I THINK SETTING UP THE GRID, NOT NECESSARILY WITH PUBLIC STREETS, BUT MAYBE PRIVATE STREETS THAT THEY COULD USE, AND JUST ALIGNING WITH WHAT THE FUTURE MAY HOLD FOR PUBLIC STREETS IN THAT GRIDED NETWORK WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SO THANK YOU. MM-HMM . MR. BURRELL, WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT, UM, TYING THAT TO A NEW ALIGNMENT OF THE SNUFFER INTERSECTION SO THAT IT'S NOW IS A FULL, DOES THAT, DOES THAT, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FOLLOW THAT LINE OF GOING TO A PRIVATE STREET? WE, YES. I MEAN, THAT COULD BE THEIR GATEWAY OR IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER FUNCTION, BUT WE WOULD STILL BE LOOKING FOR THAT SIGNAL AT SNUFFER ROAD. AND FOR THAT CROSSING OVER SAWMILL IS A HUGE BENEFIT TO PEDESTRIANS. AND SO SETTING UP THE INTERNAL, POSSIBLY PRIVATE STREET NETWORK WOULD BE IDEAL TO HAVE THAT INTERSECTION. SO A SIGNALED INTERSECTION COULD TIE INTO A PRIVATE STREET ON THE DUBLIN SIDE. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I KNOW IT'S A TOUGH QUESTION 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLIC. IT'S COMPLICATED, BUT, BUT I, I JUST SEE THAT, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IS, IS THAT EVEN LIKELIHOOD OR IT HAS TO GO INTO A PUBLIC STREET? I CAN LOOK INTO THAT FOR YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S OKAY. I I'M GONNA TRY TO CUT THIS OFF, BUT I WANTED THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE CITY'S STATEMENTS AS WELL. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE HAVING A SIDEBAR OVER THERE, CONFAB. AND I AM JUST ASKING FOR YOUR RESPONSE. BUT ALSO, UM, MS. GERMAINE MENTIONED THAT, UM, KANDA HAS THESE MINIMUMS. HOW CLOSE ARE YOU TO THE MINIMUMS? OR ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A MINIMUM OF THREE ACRES AND YOU'VE GOT 15. HOW, WHAT ARE WE PUSHING UP AGAINST HERE? THE MINIMUMS THAT THEY HAVE? UM, THERE ARE MINIMUMS, BUT WHEN YOU BUILD A FACILITY LIKE THIS, YOU WANT TO EXCEED THOSE BECAUSE I MEAN, IN THE CASE OF WHAT HAS EVEN HAPPENED, UM, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WITH HONDA, IT'S GROWING. IT'S A GROWING BUSINESS. SO YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR SOME FUTURE GROWTH ON TOP OF THAT. UM, TO GIVE YOU THE ANALYTICAL ANSWER OF LIKE, HEY, WE HAD, WE'RE SHOWING, UM, 50 SERVICE BAYS, THEY NEED 40. UM, WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO GO THROUGH THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE. WE CAN NO, I, I I DON'T NEED THE ACTUAL DETAIL. YEAH. I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH WIGGLE ROOM DO YOU HAVE IS REALLY WHAT I'M ASKING. WE'RE NOT EXCESSIVE. I KNOW THAT. LIKE, OKAY. WE ARE, YEAH, OKAY. IN CAPACITY, NOT, AND THEN CAN YOU DISCUSS THE, OR RESPOND TO THE INTEREST OF HAVING THINGS SET UP SO THAT THE, EVEN IF THEY ARE PRIVATE, THE CROSS SECTIONS ARE THERE? SURE. AND I, I THINK I SAID THAT EARLIER, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY AN A, A POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN CREATE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPEARANCE AND THE ABILITY OF THOSE STREETS. SO RATHER THAN THAT THEY CAN BE USED MAYBE THAT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY ENCOURAGING THEM TO BE USED. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT, THAT IT'S DEFINITELY A DESIGN ELEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED EARLIER WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY TRY TO WORK TOWARDS ACCOMMODATING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT HAVING PUBLIC THROUGH STREETS, I THINK IS NOT IDEAL. AND WHAT ABOUT THE IMITATION OF THE APPEARANCE, THE TWO TO THREE STORY BUILDINGS ON THE RING? AND, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY A FUNCTION OF US TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE ARE MEETING HONDA'S REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO DO THAT. SO I [01:00:01] THINK THAT THAT'S A PROBABLY A BIGGER DISCUSSION THAT WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE INTERNALLY BEFORE WE CAN REALLY SPEAK TO THAT, UM, ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN WITH THAT DESIGN ELEMENTS OF SMALLER BUILDINGS, CAN WE MEET THE HONDA REQUIREMENTS? AND ONE, ONE OTHER THING TO ADD TO THAT. SO IN THE SHOWROOM SIDE OF THINGS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS STILL VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS, IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE TWO STORIES IN THE SHOWROOM, MULTIPLE STORIES THERE. THE SERVICE PART IS, UM, THAT'S VERY, VERY UNCOMMON TO HAVE MULTIPLE STORIES, UH, IN THE SERVICE FACILITY. UM, SO I'D SAY THE HEIGHT COMPONENT OF IT FOR THE SHOWROOM, THAT COULD PROBABLY BE, UM, I DON'T KNOW, HIGHLIGHTED A LITTLE BIT MORE AND BROUGHT UP A LITTLE TALLER THAN WHAT THE SERVICE BUILDING WOULD BE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. THE RESPONSES FROM BOTH OF YOU, . THANK YOU MS. DOER. UM, I HAVE A FEW, UH, QUESTIONS TO PILE ONTO EVERYBODY ELSE'S. UM, SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP, UH, MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS. ASSUME THIS IS ALL ONE STORY, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT A SECOND AGO. SO THE, THE SHOWROOM SIDE OF THINGS COULD HAVE A TWO STORY ELEMENT TO IT. I, I WAS, I WAS PUSHING IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THAT. LIKE, OH, YOU'VE GOT YOUR ADMIN NOW GOING OFF TO A, THE BUILDING OVER BY RIGHT RUG. BUT IF YOU HAD A SECOND STORY ON THE BUILDING, YOU COULD HAVE OFFICES OVER THE, OVER THE SHOWROOM OR AROUND IT OR, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT COULD BE A MEZZANINE LEVEL AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY, BUT I'M JUST THINKING OF HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS DIFFERENTLY IN TERMS OF FOOTPRINT AND, YOU KNOW, GOING, UH, GOING VERTICAL, COULD, YOU KNOW, CREATE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO THINK ABOUT AGAIN, WHICH YOU'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY, THE, YOU KNOW, THIS DESIRE TO START TO BUILD THIS GRID THAT WE WANNA SEE IN THIS AREA. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'VE DISCUSSED. UM, IN THIS CASE, IF THE, WHATEVER THE VERTICAL NATURE OF IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD STILL BE, UM, PART OF THE FUNCTION OF THE GERMANE USE, RIGHT. JUST TO BE CLEAR. RIGHT. SO IT WOULD, I I DON'T ENVISION IT AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S THINKING THAT THERE'D BE LIKE OTHER OFFICE ABOVE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER TENANTS TO COME IN. NO, NO, NO. I, I WAS SAYING JUST FOR JERMAINE'S USE. YEAH. LIKE YOU, YEAH, YEAH. IT, YOU HAVE ADMIN IN THE RIGHT RUG BLUE BUILDING AND I ASSUME THAT'S WHERE YOU, YOU, YOU SAID IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU WERE MOVING ADMIN OVER THERE. MM-HMM. AND I JUST WONDERED IF THAT WAS SOMETHING, AGAIN, IN TERMS OF TRYING TO OH, THE HEIGHT, PUT EVERYTHING IN ONE FOOT FRAME. I THINK THAT WAS INTENDED FOR, UM, BEING ABLE TO USE THE RIGHT RED BUILDING, LIKE DURING CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER THEY WOULD STAY THERE OR WHO WOULD STAY THERE, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT WOULD JUST GIVE US ADDITIONAL, UM, FACILITY USE. SO YOU'RE CREATING SWING SPACE, BASICALLY WE USE CREATING, WE, I CALL IT SWING SPACE, RIGHT? WHEN YOU'RE MOVING, OH, WHEN YOU'RE REBUILDING, YOU HAVE TO PUT SPACE SOMEWHERE AND YOU, YOU PUT IT IN SWING SPACE. OKAY. SWINGS BACK AND FORTH. OKAY. UM, SECOND QUESTION. UM, IT TALKS IN YOUR, IN YOUR PRESENT, YOUR, YOUR WRITTEN PRESENTATION ABOUT, UH, AGAIN, OTHER, YOU'VE GOT THE SHOWROOM OUT ON SAWMILL, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE, THE SERVICE AREA, UM, AND TALKING ABOUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING CONFORMING TO THE DUBLIN STANDARDS. SO THE, THE SHOWROOM RIGHT NOW AS YOU'RE SHOWING HAS A FRONTAGE ONTO SAWMILL. AGAIN, YOU DON'T NORMALLY HAVE WINDOWS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN A, IN A SERVICE AREA. SO WOULD YOU SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD INTEGRATE, UM, TRANSPARENCY, UM, OPENINGS TO KIND OF MAKE IT FEEL LIKE IT'S MORE OF A RETAIL BUILDING THAT'S FRONTING ONTO SAWMILL TO A DEGREE? UM, YEAH, I THINK YOU CAN. I, I DON'T THINK, IT WON'T LOOK LIKE THE SHOWROOM, YOU KNOW, ALL GLASS WRAPPING AROUND THE SIDE, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING ABOUT BEING ABLE TO LOOK IN AND SEE CARS BEING WORKED ON. IT'S KIND OF LIKE SERVICE ON DISPLAY. YEAH. . YEAH. WHICH COULD BE A MARKETING THING. I DON'T KNOW, , BUT, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, I MEAN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WHOLE DISCUSSION AROUND AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO FOUR-SIDED BUILDINGS AND HOW THEY RELATE TO THESE, AGAIN, THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS SET UP WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, ALL THE STREETS ARE IMPORTANT, AND FRONTAGE IS ONTO THE STREETS, AND WHAT DOES THE BUILDING LOOK LIKE? SO I JUST WANTED TO, UH, RAISE THAT. THE, THE OTHER THING THAT YOU MENTIONED, UM, THE ACCOMMODATION OF OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, AND I THINK YOU ACTUALLY QUOTE THE CODE ABOUT, UM, PATIOS, SEATING AREAS, POCKET PLAZAS, AND SPACIOUS WALKWAYS. I DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT IN THIS PROPOSAL, SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING TO THE BRIDGE STREET CODE AND DISTRICT. AND SO I DON'T SEE IT YET. SO UNDERSTANDING THAT TO ME WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. UM, AND ESPECIALLY THE GATE, YOU KNOW, THE GATEWAY CORNERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. THINKING ABOUT PEDESTRIANS ON SAWMILL ROAD, HEAVEN FORBID THAT WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE [01:05:01] PEOPLE TO WALK THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN WHAT IS THE, THE EXPERIENCES OF PEDESTRIANS AS THEY WALK ALONG THAT STREET IN FRONT OF YOUR BUSINESS AND ARE YOU INVITED TO COME ONTO THE SITE? IS THERE A POCKET PLAZA RIGHT OFF SAWMILL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO AGAIN, I DON'T YOU, YOU MENTIONED IT, BUT, UM, I DON'T SEE IT. UM, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION AMONGST THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS. UM, I THINK SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS HAVE MENTIONED STRUCTURED PARKING, AND I DO REALIZE THERE'S AN EXPENSE WITH STRUCTURED PARKING, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF BENEFITS. AND THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING THAT TRIGGERS IN MY MIND IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE AS A COMMISSION ARE THINKING ABOUT NOT JUST THIS SITE, BUT HOW IT FITS INTO THE BIGGER DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA. AND COULD YOU ENVISION A PARTNERSHIP WITH A DEVELOPER THAT MIGHT BE BUILDING SOMETHING THAT FRONTS ON THE DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE, IT'S DIFFERENT LIKE HOUSING, LIKE BRINGING HOUSING INTO THIS AREA. SO FACING A PARKING GARAGE THAT WOULD HELP IN THAT WITH HOUSING THAT WOULD HELP PAY FOR THE PARKING GARAGE AND PROVIDE YOU WITH A SECURE ENVIRONMENT TO HOUSE YOUR CARS. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THAT HASN'T BEEN THE THOUGHT PROCESS INTERNALLY QUITE YET? UH, THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS THUS FAR HAS BEEN, UM, MAINTAIN THE OPERATIONS OF THE BUSINESS THAT'S THERE, INVEST A LOT INTO WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW TO KIND OF REDEVELOP ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE SITE WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE, UH, AND MAKE IT MUCH, MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY. AND I MEAN, CERTAINLY WE WILL DISCUSS A STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, INTERNALLY AND, AND EXPLORE LOTS OF OPTIONS. MY ONLY FEAR IS THAT EVEN IF 200 CARS GO IN THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THERE IS, I MEAN, DUBLIN IS GROWING. OUR, OUR SALES ARE GROWING. UM, IT'S STILL THAT THAT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE EMPTY SPACE. SO I JUST, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE NOW PUTTING DWELLINGS ON HERE SOMEWHERE LIKE OTHER, MAYBE POSSIBLE. BUT, UM, IT IS VERY CONSTRAINED FOR, UM, SPACE RIGHT NOW. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH, EVEN A STRUCTURE WOULD HELP US GET SOME CARS INSIDE AND CREATE SOME PARKING, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHY I'M NOT A DEVELOPER. I'M JUST A CAR DEALER, SO I MIGHT NOT THINK BIG ENOUGH. BUT, AND, AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE, THE SPIRIT OF THIS DISTRICT. IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE A IDENTITY MIXED USE DISTRICT? AND WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT DOES MIXED USE MEAN? IS THAT ONE THING HERE AND ONE THING HERE, OR IS IT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND TRULY MIXED USE ON A PARTICULAR SITE? SO I GUESS, UM, IT'D BE INTERESTING JUST TO, IF YOU KNOW THAT EXPLORATION OF, BECAUSE DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE IS, IS PROPOSED TO BE A SIGNIFICANT FRONTAGE STREET, AND THIS PROPOSAL DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO ADDRESS THAT. AND SO WE WOULD BE INTERESTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT BE. AND IT'S MAYBE IT'S A FA YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE IMMEDIATE, IT MIGHT, COULD BE A PHASED TYPE OF THING. SO, UM, SARAH, COULD YOU PUT UP, UH, THE, THAT DRAWING YOU HAD WITH THE STREET GRID, THE DOTTED LINES? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. SO I'M, IT'S TOUGH TO GO FROM THE BIG MACRO PLANNING DIAGRAMS DOWN TO REAL STREET. SO, AND, AND THIS MIGHT BE A, A QUESTION FOR MR. BURRELL TOO. OBVIOUSLY SNUFFER IS A KEY. I MEAN, THAT'S A FIX BECAUSE SNUFFER IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY'S A FIX. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA MOVE. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE OTHER GREEN LINE WHERE, WHERE IT'S SHOWN HERE IS, IS THAT THE, THE LOGICAL PLACE OR SHOULD IT BE WHERE THE EXISTING CURB CUT IS ALREADY AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE OTHER CURB CUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OR RIGHT. RUG. SO IS THERE A SPACING ISSUE THERE THAT WE SHOULD BE UNDERSTANDING? SO WE WOULD BE COMPLETELY OPEN TO MODIFYING THOSE ALIGNMENTS TO LINE UP BETTER WITH WHAT MIGHT BE BEST FOR THE APPLICANT. OBVIOUSLY JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY AND SNUFFER ARE PRETTY SET IN STONE, BUT REALLY JUST THE PRESENCE OF THOSE STREETS AND BEING ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE GRID IS REALLY WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US. AND, AND AGAIN, I JUST BRING THAT UP IN TERMS OF IF THE APPLICANT'S OPEN TO EXPLORING THAT AND WHETHER THEY'RE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S FLEXIBILITY, YOU KNOW, IN THE ALIGNMENT OF WHERE THOSE STREETS ARE TO SOME DEGREE. AND, AND CERTAINLY, UM, WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS TO CREATE SOME KIND OF A FUTURE GRID THAT DOESN'T WORK AS A DEVELOPMENT SITE. SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION. SO FLEXIBILITY. YES. YES. GREAT. OKAY. THAT IS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD, SO THANK YOU. WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO YOU AFTER, OH, SORRY. DAN . YEP. JUST ANOTHER QUICK ONE. I THINK IT'S PRETTY ESTABLISHED, BUT JUST TO HAVE STAFF CLARIFY YOUR PRIORITY SINCE IT WAS ASKED EARLIER WOULD BE [01:10:01] THAT SNUFFER SIDE BEING THROUGH EVENTUALLY OR SOME VERSION OF THAT. YES. GREAT. YES. I HAVE A QUICK GO. SORRY, ANOTHER CLARIFICATION FOR THE, THE APPLICANT IS THE CURB, ARE THE CURB CUT ON SAWMILL, IS THAT NECESSARY? OR JUST THINKING OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ELIMINATED? DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CURB CUT ON SAWMILL IN THE PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW? YEAH. SO IF, UM, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS THAT THE SNUFFER IS OPEN. UH, I, I MEANT, I KNOW, I JUST MEANT OUTSIDE THAT, SORRY, JUST IN GENERAL, YOUR PROPOSED PLAN, FORGET ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS ON THE CURB CUT TO SAWMILL, DO YOU HAVE TO, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO SAWMILL? YES. AS PROPOSED ANSWER? YES. OKAY. AS NOT NECESSARILY AS PER PROPOSED, BUT YOU WANNA MAKE ACCESS. WE NEED A CO A QUEER PET FROM SAWMILL. OKAY. LEAST THAT WOULD BE, THANK YOU. THAT'S TRAFFIC. IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO, YOU KNOW, GET IN THE STORE DIRECTLY. WE'VE OFFICIALLY OPENED, OPENED IT BACK UP TO JUST GENERAL QUESTIONS FROM . SORRY. NO, IT'S GREAT. KEEP IT GOING. , I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF BECAUSE I, I THINK IT'S MORE THAN JUST HAVING STREETS THAT GO THROUGH, I THINK THE GOAL IS TO HAVE BLOCK TYPES. IT'S NOT JUST STREETS, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY PHYSICAL BLOCK TYPES. IS THAT CORRECT? THEY'RE MORE LIKE THE BLOCK TYPES THAT WE HAVE IN BRIDGE PARK. YES. THAT'S CERTAINLY AN ELEMENT OF IT. AND AGAIN, THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS TO GET THERE. RIGHT. SO IT'S A THREE DIMENSIONAL, IT'S NOT JUST LAYING A GRID ON THE SITE. AND, AND IF I COULD ADD, AND SARAH, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS A SAWMILL ROAD AND DUBLIN CENTER DRIVER, WHICH YOU WOULD SAY IS FRONTAGE STREETS. AND MAYBE THE INTERIM THE MIDDLE STREET IS MORE LIKE A SERVICE STREET BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE EVERY STREET TO BE A FRONTAGE STREET NECESSARILY. SO THERE COULD BE A HIERARCHY OF STREETS THAT CUT THROUGH HERE AS OPPOSED TO EVERYONE'S GOTTA BE IMPORTANT. CORRECT. AND ALL OF THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED AND FIGURED OUT. RIGHT. GREAT. ON THOSE LINES AS WELL TOO, UM, VISITING, I NOTICED WHEN YOU HAVE TO, UH, OFFLOAD CARS, UH, THAT COME ON YOUR PROPERTY, THEY'VE GOTTA DO IT ON A PUBLIC STREET. HOW, HOW DO WE ENVISION THAT TO BE DONE? BECAUSE I WOULD THINK YOU'D WANT TO DO IT ON THE, YOUR PROPERTY TAKING, YOU KNOW, WITH A SEMI. IS IS THAT IN THE PICTURE TOO AS WELL? THAT YOU HAVE A SPACE FOR THAT AND HOW ALL THESE GRIDS ARE COMING AND, UM, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE PUBLIC STREET TO DO THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, IDEALLY WE WOULD DO IT ON OUR PROPERTY AS WE DO OTHER PLACES. IT'S JUST, UM, IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE SOMETIMES FOR THE SEMIS TO GET ONTO THE LOT WITH CROWDED CARS. SO YEAH, I MEAN, CERTAINLY. DO YOU ENVISION THAT THAT'S A GOAL OF YOURS TO DO? YES. YES. I MEAN, ANYTIME WE CAN CREATE LESS RISK FOR THE SEMI DRIVER AND THE VEHICLES AND THE CURRENT INVENTORY WOULD BE A WIN-WIN. CERTAINLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSION? OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A PAUSE NOW AND DO PUBLIC COMMENT. SO WE WILL, AFTER DELIBERATION, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU. UM, SO AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP THE MEETING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT, PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, UH, TURN IT ON SO THAT IT'S GREEN. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. . GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JULIE RINALDI AND I, UM, RESIDE AT 7 8 7 1 RIVERSIDE DRIVE, BUT I AM HERE AS THE DIRECTOR OF, UM, THE DUBLIN COUNSELING. NO, NO, THE DUBLIN FOOD PANTRY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I'M ALSO JOINED BY, UM, JIM WILSON, OUR PANTRY OPERATIONS DIRECTOR AND CANDY KENNEDY, WHO'S ALSO ON OUR BOARD AND THE CHAIR OF OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. UM, WE ARE CELEBRATING OUR 50TH ANNIVERSARY IN THE COMMUNITY THIS YEAR. I DUNNO IF YOU'RE WILL AWARE OF THAT. UM, WE DID SUBMIT OUR 2025 IMPACT REPORT, WHICH, UM, OUTLINES OUR IMPACT. UM, WE, UM, SERVED OVER 10,000 HOUSEHOLDS LAST YEAR, AND, UM, WE WANNA KEEP DOING THAT. UM, WE WERE APPROACHED BY TWO COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, UM, PROFESSIONALS LAST JUNE THAT WERE REPRESENTING GER GERMANE. UM, THEY ASKED US IF WE WANTED TO SELL OUR BUILDING, WHICH WAS KIND OF LIKE PUT, SET US BACK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE JUST MOVED TO THAT BUILDING TWO YEARS AGO, A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO. WE HAD BEEN IN THE DUBLIN COMMUNITY CHURCH FOR 48 YEARS OPERATING OUT OF THEIR, UM, BASEMENT, UM, WHICH WAS GREAT, BUT WE OUTGREW THAT BECAUSE THE NEEDS NEEDS OUTGREW, UM, UH, THE SPACE. AND SO WE, UM, ARE VERY HAPPY [01:15:01] AT OUR BUILDING AT 6 6 0 8 DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE. IT WORKS REALLY WELL FOR US. UM, WE ACTUALLY, IT WAS JIM'S IDEA, BUT WE INVITED THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AGENTS THAT WERE REPRESENTING THE GERMAINE FAMILY TO COME TO OUR SITE. WE WALKED THEM THROUGH IT. WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US. WE SHOWED THEM HOW WE OPERATE. WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US IN TERMS OF SERVICES AND THAT KIND OF THING. WE SHOWED THEM HOW WE USED THE BACK PARKING LOT, OUR FRONT PARKING LOT, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE OPERATIONS. UM, THEY INDICATED TO US THAT THEY WOULD LOOK FOR SOME PROPERTY FOR US AND THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN WORKING, UM, WITH US TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A MUTUAL BENEFIT FOR, FOR ALL. SO THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER THEY STAYED IN TOUCH WITH US. THEY SHARED SOME IDEAS WITH US, AND WE WERE VERY OPEN TO THIS. AND WE ACTUALLY WERE WORKING, I HOPE, IN GOOD FAITH WITH THEM. THEY ASKED US NOT TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH ANYBODY THAT THEY WERE HOPING TO EXPAND THEIR, THEIR SITE. AND WE A AND WE, WE COMPLIED WITH THAT. UM, I DID SHARE THIS WITH OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, BUT WE HAVE NOT SHARED THIS WITH ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE IT WOULD IMPACT, UM, DONOR RELATIONS, OUR CUSTOMERS AND THAT KIND OF THING. WE DON'T WANT THE WORD TO GET OUT THAT POSSIBLY OUR SITE WOULD BE COMPROMISED. UM, WE WERE, UM, APPROACHED AGAIN, UH, IN EARLY DECEMBER BY THOSE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AGENTS WHO OFFERED TO, UM, PURCHASE PROPERTY FOR US, PURCHASE LAND FOR US, UM, PURCHASE OUR BUILDING AT FAIR MARKET VALUE. AND THAT SOUNDED LIKE A NICE, A NICE DEAL . UM, BUT WE ALSO WENT BACK AND SAID, WELL, HERE'S OUR STIPULATIONS. HERE'S WHAT WE WOULD NEED AND TO, AND TO AGREE TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY UNKNOWN COST WOULD BE BE INCLUDED IN THIS. WE'RE A SMALL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. OUR ANNUAL BUDGET IS $400,000. WE DON'T HAVE EXTRA MONEY TO SPEND ON ADDITIONAL COSTS. SO WE, UM, THE LAST COMMUNICATION THAT I HAD WITH THEM WAS, I THINK DECEMBER 1ST. WE OUTLINED OUR NEEDS. WE CONTINUED TO SAY WE WOULD ACT IN GOOD FAITH WITH THEM. I DID NOT HEAR BACK FROM THEM. I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THEM. AND THEN WE SAW THIS WAS ON THE DOCKET. UM, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED WITH THE DRAWINGS THAT WE SEE. UM, WE THINK IT WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR OPERATIONS. IN FACT, THE DRAWINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT LOOK LIKE IT WOULD HAVE CONSIDERABLE IMPACT ON OUR OPERATIONS. ALL OF OUR FOOD IS DELIVERED TO THE BACK BAY IN OUR, IN OUR BUILDING. AND, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE DRAWINGS KIND OF INCORPORATE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE. WE ALSO HAVE A PRIVATE EASEMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH MS. HOLT, UM, INDICATED, UM, WITH THE OWNERS OF THE RIGHT RUG PROPERTY. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S BEEN SOLD OR NOT, BUT, UM, THAT, THAT WILL FOLLOW WHOEVER OWNS THAT PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. SO WE HAVE SOME REALLY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT OUR BUSINESS AND OUR ABILITY TO SERVE CUSTOMERS. UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK IN GOOD FAITH WITH ALL OF YOU. WE WERE SURPRISED BY THIS AND YOU JUST MADE IT PUBLIC FOR US, WHICH MEANS THAT NOW DONORS AND VOLUNTEERS AND CUSTOMERS NOW KNOW HAVE THIS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE DID SUBMIT THE EASEMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE INTO THE RECORD, AND WE'D LOVE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. UM, THAT'S REALLY IT. WE'RE JUST VERY CONCERNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYBODY RUNNING UP TO THE MICROPHONE. SO I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND I AM GONNA SHIFT NOW TO, UM, COMMISSION DELIBERATIONS. AND SO WE HAVE FOUR QUESTIONS AND A FIFTH TO BE DETERMINED BY YOURSELVES. UM, AND MR. GARVIN? YEAH, YOU, YOU KNEW YOU DRAW DREW THE SLOT, THE STRAW TONIGHT. . THANK YOU KIM. UH, SO I'LL RUN DOWN THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS AS WE'VE GOT 'EM. UM, OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE'S ACKNOWLEDGED THE DIFFICULTY HERE. UM, SO BASED ON THE BSD STANDARDS, I'M NOT PARTICULARLY SUPPORTIVE. UM, I AM ENCOURAGED BY, UH, STAFF'S OPTIMISM, UM, THAT THEY COULD GET SOMETHING CLOSER TO WHAT'S ENVISIONED HERE. UM, SUPPORTIVE OF THE STREET NETWORK IS SHOWN. UH, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF AT ODDS WITH THE BSD NETWORK MAP, SO IT'S TOUGH TO RESPOND AFFIRMATIVELY. UM, I WOULD THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO AT LEAST HAVE A SUGGESTION OF SMALLER BLOCKS WHERE POSSIBLE FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE PRIORITY, EVEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO DISCOURAGE ACTUAL ACCESS. UM, [01:20:01] SUPPORTIVE OF SITE LAYOUT, THAT'S KIND OF THE SAME, SAME QUESTION. SO, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, WE DID DISCUSS POTENTIALLY BEING ABLE TO KEEP THAT SNUFFER, UH, INTERSECTION AS THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A PRIORITY OF MINE AS WELL. UH, SUPPORTIVE OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN APPROACH, WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE SEEN LOOKS LIKE IT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT HONDA REQUIRES. UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF TRYING TO FIT THIS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE INTO WHAT WE EXPECT THE FUTURE BUILDINGS TO LOOK LIKE. SO, UM, I REALIZE THERE'S OPERATIONAL DIFFICULTIES. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK HEIGHT IS IMPORTANT WHERE YOU CAN, HOW YOU CAN, UH, THOSE SORT OF THINGS ALONG IN THE GATEWAY. UM, AND THEN ALSO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THIS TO HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD OF LANDSCAPING THAN WE TYPICALLY SEE IN AUTO DEALERSHIPS. UM, JUST IF IT'S GOING TO FIT IN AND BE A PLACE PEOPLE ARE AT LEAST ENCOURAGED TO WALK THE PERIMETER OF AND ARE COMFORTABLE DOING. SO, UM, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS I WANNA SEE ALONG WITH THAT, THAT NORTHWESTERN GATEWAY. UM, AND IN TERMS OF WHAT TO LOOK AT, I WOULD SAY MY IMPRESSION OF THAT CADILLAC DEALERSHIP ON 1 61 IS THAT THAT BUILDING FITS BETTER INTO THE, UH, UM, BRIDGE STREET KIND OF DESIGN THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN. OBVIOUSLY, I REALIZE YOU'LL HAVE LIMITATIONS FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM YOUR PARTNER, SO AT HONDA. SO, UM, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO ME IF THIS MOVES FORWARD. UM, I WILL SAY GENERALLY, SINCE YOU'VE ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE, THE RIGHT RUG BUILDING, UH, ONE, UM, I DO THINK THE PUBLIC COMMENT WE HEARD IS IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND TO HAVE A PLAN TO WORK WITH THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ASSET TO THE CITY AND TRY TO FIND A WAY TO, UH, NOT HINDER THEIR OPERATIONS. BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THAT IS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE DO SEE, UH, THAT WE, THAT WE ARE GONNA MAKE JUDGEMENTS BY. SO, UM, OH, BUT, BUT I WOULD SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE I'M SOMEWHAT SUPPORTIVE OF THAT JUST BECAUSE IT DOES KEEP ANOTHER ELEMENT OF HEIGHT AND STRUCTURE ALONG THE PERIMETER. SO, UM, I WOULD SAY GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW WHAT MY PRIORITIES WOULD BE. IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE I THINK THIS IS A HARD NO. UM, BUT JUST A LOT OF THOSE DETAILS THAT'LL COME OUT LATER, IT'LL BE IMPORTANT. AND, UM, AND I'D LOVE TO SEE YOU GUYS JUST WORK HARD AT TRYING TO AT LEAST ESTABLISH THAT PERIMETER ALONG, UH, ALONG THE VISION THAT THE CITY HAS FOR THE FUTURE. THANKS, MR. GARVIN. GARY, I'M GONNA TOUCH UPON THE FIVE QUESTIONS IN A DIFFERENT WAY. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I LIKE THE IMAGE THAT HONDA WANTS YOU TO DO MUCH BETTER THAN THEIR CYLINDER AND WAVE. I THINK IT'S A BIG IMPROVEMENT OVER THE EARLIER IMAGE THEY ASKED DEALERSHIPS TO BUILD. I'M ALSO FAMILIAR BECAUSE OF FAMILY MEMBERS' OWNERSHIP OF THE LEVERAGE THAT THEY PUT ON DEALERS TO COMPLY WITH THEIR STANDARDS. UM, BUT THE TWO ISSUES, SO WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE STANDARDS THAT THE, THE STAFF PUT UP, AND ONE OF THEM IS HINDER HENDERSON TO THE ADJACENT LOTS TO DEVELOP ACCORDING TO CODE, IF WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF BREAKING THE PARCEL UP. AND THE WHOLE IDEA, AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE POINT ABOUT THIS IS BLOCK TYPES. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT STREETS, BUT IT'S TO CREATE BLOCK TYPES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT THE DISTRICT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE SOME WAY OF DOING THAT, THEN I WOULD HAVE DIFFICULTY SUPPORTING THIS. NOW, THE OTHER, I HAVE A, UH, AND ALSO AN ISSUE WITH THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE, WHEN YOU COMPARE YOUR SITE PLAN FOR THE INTEGRATION OF RIGHT RUG TO THE EXISTING CONDITION, CURRENTLY THERE'S LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UH, THAT SEPARATES THE PROPERTIES. THE THE PARKING IS SEPARATE. SO ACTUALLY RIGHT RUG IS DOING MORE TOWARDS OUR PLAN BECAUSE IT'S A SMALLER PARCEL, IT'S A SMALLER BUILDING, AND THAT'S WHAT THE CODE IS ASKING FOR. BUT AS SOON AS YOU RUN THE PARKING, YOU GET RID OF, NOW THE STREET THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH, THERE WOULD BE A WAY OF BREAKING IT UP. BUT AS SOON AS YOU JUST RUN THE PARKING ACROSS THERE, THERE'S NO SEPARATION. WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION OF WHAT OUR STANDARDS ASK FOR. SO I COULD NOT SUPPORT THE, UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF THAT REASON. IT'S, IT'S GETTING FURTHER FROM THE CODE INSTEAD OF CLOSER. SO I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. I, I THINK A REFRESH IS REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR BUILDING AND [01:25:01] SITE, BUT I JUST, THE BIGGER QUESTIONS FOR ME HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED YET. THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER. SORRY. UH, YES, I WOULD AGREE. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS THERE BECAUSE, AND, UH, BEFORE I SAY THANK YOU, I DON'T WANNA LOSE MY THOUGHT IS, UM, IS THAT, UH, THE WHOLE CONNECTION IS, IS PRETTY WIDE. AND THEN ONCE YOU GET IN THERE, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT FEEL. AND, AND IF WE WANT IT TO BE SMALLER BUILDINGS, AND THAT'S ONE THOUGHT, BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET IN THERE, UM, YOU ALSO HAVE THE HAVE, HAVE NEED, THE THOUGHT OF THAT WHOLE BRIDGE STREET ATMOSPHERE. YOU MAY NOT, IT SHOULD HAVE THOSE SIDEWALKS AND OPPORTUNITY TO FLOW THROUGH THERE, BUT, UM, IT MAY NOT BE RIGHT TODAY, THE, THE THOROUGH STREET THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT STILL COULD HAVE THAT FEEL, THAT OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT FEELS VERY, UH, UH, IT'S NOT, UM, HARMONIOUS IN MY MIND HOW IT'S FURTHER APART FROM EACH OTHER, WHICH TO ME IS A CONCERN I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, THAT JERMAINE HONDA HAS BEEN IN DUBLIN FOR SO LONG AND ALL THE WORK AND THE COMMITMENT IN THE AREA, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE A WHOLE NEW LOOK. UM, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE CITY TOGETHER TO KIND OF REFINE THAT COME TOGETHER. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WHOLE NEW LOOK WHERE IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, UM, LIKE A DEALERSHIP. AND, UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE A NEW FEEL BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN DRIVE BY AND NOT KNOW IT IS. AND SO THAT WILL, THAT'S ALSO HAS TO HAVE THAT CONNECTION INTO WHAT THAT GATEWAY IS GOING TO BE LIKE. UM, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THAT. I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DUBLIN FOOD BANK AND THAT, UM, TO ME THEY ARE THERE AND THEY LOOK LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THIS IS THE SAWMILL NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTION. AND YOU KNOW, THAT WORD NEIGHBORHOOD IS THERE. THEY PORTRAY THAT THAT'S ALSO WHAT YOU WANT TO PORTRAY TOO. SO I HOPE YOU CONSIDER ALL THOSE THINGS. AND THAT MAY BE WITH THE PARKS. I'M SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THERE. AND THE POCKET PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND AMENITIES, I LOOKED UP JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT. UM, LIKE WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU'RE WAITING TO GET YOUR CAR FIXED? AND THREE THINGS CAME UP. UH, YOU CAN WALK AROUND, READ A BOOK, OR GO AND SEE A RESTAURANT. WE SHOULD GIVE THAT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY WHO IS THERE, UM, GETTING THEIR CAR FIXED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. HAR. MR. CHINOOK. YEAH, I, I'LL, I'LL BE BRIEF AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH US. UM, AND I'LL JUST SAY ADD TO KIND OF WHAT EVERYBODY'S SUGGESTING. I, WE ALWAYS REFER TO ENVISION DUBLIN, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S A VISION FOR DUBLIN AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S, I SEE IT AS A GUIDELINE FOR COLLABORATION. I DON'T THINK WE'RE SAYING HARD, FAST. YOU GOTTA DIVIDE UP THE SITE AND YOU GOTTA CREATE ALL THESE SMALL LITTLE AREAS AND PUT A BUNCH OF POCKET PARKS IN AND, AND MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT THAT YOU CAN'T DEVELOP IT. BUT I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO GET TO IS A, AS A, IS AN AGREEMENT WORKING WITH STAFF, WORKING WITH YOU ALL TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSER TO WHAT WE'RE ASKING. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACTLY, BUT IT'S GETS GETS US CLOSER TO THE, THE VISION FOR THE SITE. AND I SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HONDA. I MEAN, I, AGAIN, I DON'T SEE US GETTING A, A PROTOTYPICAL HONDA BUILDING ON HERE WITH THE, THE WHITE AND THE BLUE. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE MORE ARCHITECTURALLY CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING YOU'RE SEEING. BUT RATHER THAN SEE IT AS A, AS A DETRIMENT, I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY, A REALLY UNIQUE SITE, SOMETHING THAT DRAWS PEOPLE THERE. I MEAN A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, UM, SITE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN WALK AROUND. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UNIQUE. IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT'S SOMETHING HONDA CAN BRAG ABOUT THAT IT'S AS IT, IT FITS REALLY WELL WITH OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM TO WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL HERE AS THIS, AS THIS GATEWAY. UM, TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF REDEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE. 'CAUSE IT DESPERATELY NEEDS IT. BUT I, I THINK WE HAVE A, FROM FROM WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PLAN NOW, YOU'VE HEARD OUR FEEDBACK. WE'VE GOT A BIT, A BIT OF WORK TO DO, I THINK, TO GET THERE. BUT IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE, I I THINK WE CAN GET THERE TO THIS WHOLE, I WE, THERE'S SOMETHING HERE THAT, THAT CAN BE SOME VERY, IN MY MIND, VERY SPECIAL, VERY UNIQUE FOR THE AREA. THANK YOU, MR. SCHNICK. MS. DAMER, I DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH TO ADD TO WHAT THE OTHERS HAVE SAID, . UM, I AM VERY ENCOURAGED BY THE FACT THAT YOU BOTH ARE BOTH BEING THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT, UH, SEEM TO BE OPEN TO CREATIVE THOUGHTS STILL. AND I, AND THAT'S THE FEELING I HAVE. THIS NEEDS MORE CREATIVITY, IT NEEDS MORE WORK. IT IS NOT READY TO BE APPROVED TODAY. YOU DIDN'T PRESENT IT TO BE APPROVED TODAY, SO THAT'S OKAY. BUT IT'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING THAT I COULD EVEN CONSIDER RIGHT NOW. UM, THE, UM, OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, AS MR WE WAS SAYING, ARE JUST STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT'S NOT THOUGHT OUT. UM, [01:30:01] THE BACKSIDE WE'RE ASKED TO OPINE ON THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. ALL I SEE IS THE STANDARD FRONT FOR HONDA. I DON'T SEE WHAT THE BACKSIDE'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. UM, THE I'D LIKE, AS YOU COULD TELL FROM MY QUESTIONS, I WANT YOU TO WORK ON BEING COMPATIBLE WITH THE STREETLIGHT LAYOUT. UM, I TOO AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DUBLIN FOOD PANTRY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT EITHER THAT YOU WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH THEM, THAT SHOULD BE WORKED OUT. WE NEED THE FOOD PANTRY IN THE COMMUNITY, HOW THAT'S WORKED OUT. I LEAVE THAT TO THE TWO PARTIES INVOLVED. BUT, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON, UM, THINK CREATIVELY ABOUT MAKING IT COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT IS ENVISIONED, WHAT THE SURROUNDING AREA WILL START TO BECOME. UH, GRANTED THIS IS A LARGE 15 ACRE BLOCK OF LAND. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT GERMAINE HONDA STAY. UM, BUT THINK ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA LOOK ON THE, HOW THE RIM IS GONNA START TO LOOK AROUND YOU, ACROSS THE STREETS, ACROSS THE JOHN SHIELDS AND, UM, DUBLIN, WHATEVER IT IS, DRIVE, UM, NOT, AND WHAT EVENTUALLY ACROSS THE ACROSS SAWMILL WILL START TO LOOK LIKE AS WELL. IF COLUMBUS STARTS WORKING ON THEIR ENVISION DON'T, UH, ZONING. THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE NEXT TIME. IS THAT REFLECTED? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. THOMAS, SIR. SO YOU'RE STARTING TO HEAR KIND OF A COLLECTIVE THINKING FROM THIS COMMISSION. UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR, OUR REMITS IS THAT WE FOLLOW ALL OF THE, THE VISION, THE CODES OF DUBLIN. THAT'S, THAT'S OUR TOOLS WITH WHICH WE CAN HELP GUIDE AND SHAPE DEVELOPMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A BRAND NEW COMMUNITY PLAN THAT PAINTS THE PICTURE FOR THIS AREA AS A MIXED USE CENTER. WE HAVE VERY, VERY SPECIFIC GUIDELINES IN THE BRIDGE STREET CODE THAT START TO DEFINE, UH, NOT ONLY BLOCKS AND LOTS OF HOW THINGS BREAK UP IN TERMS OF BIGGER PARCELS, BUT JUST THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE, THE, THE CHARACTER OF OPEN SPACE, ALL OF THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT ALL OF THAT WE WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA KEEP LOOKING BACK TO AS WE FOLLOW THIS, UH, PROPOSAL. UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE SELMA MILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD GUIDELINES. YOU'VE GOT, THERE'S A TON OF, OF SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE IN HELPING TO GUIDE YOU IN HOW TO SHAPE THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND CERTAINLY YOU ARE A GREAT BUSINESS IN DUBLIN. WE WANT TO SUPPORT YOU IN THIS AND HELP YOU SHAPE THIS SITE IN A POSITIVE WAY THAT WORKS FOR GERMAIN HONDA AND WORKS FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN. SO I'M ON THE OP OPTIMISTIC SIDE OF THE COMMISSION OF, WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING WORK HERE, I BELIEVE. AND IT MAY TAKE SOME GIVE AND TAKE AND THERE MAY BE SOME TWEAKS AND WHATEVER, BUT I, IN FACT, EVEN THE STREET GRID, UM, YOU ALMOST HAVE IT HERE EXCEPT FOR THE SNUFFER CONNECTION. SO I MEAN, THERE'S ELEMENTS HERE THAT ARE ALREADY EVOLVING. I THINK THE FRONTAGE ALONG SAWMILL, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT YOUR 45%, BUT WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE AND HOW, HOW IS THAT SHAPED AND HOW OUR BUILDING TURNED. I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH THIS TO HELP SHAPE IT INTO HOW WE THEN WILL REVIEW IT FROM A CODE STANDPOINT. SO, UM, I HOPE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION TONIGHT. UH, WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSION. UM, I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK TO YOU ALL AND SAY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO CLARIFY OR, UH, RESPOND TO AT THIS POINT? GREAT. WELL THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS IN FRONT OF US AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE ARE NOW GONNA [Case #26-009MSP] SHIFT TO OUR NEXT CASE. UH, CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 0 0 9 MSP BRIDGE PARK BLOCK J MASTER SIGN PLAN, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR BRIDGE PARK BLOCK J. THE 5.37 ACRE SITE IS OWNED B-S-D-S-R-N BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CI RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT'S LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF BRIDGE PARK AVENUE AND DALE DRIVE. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT TONIGHT. THE APPLICANT DOES NOT WISH TO BRING A PRESENTATION TONIGHT, BUT THEY'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SO TORI, WE'RE GONNA GO RIGHT TO YOU THEN. PERFECT. I'M JUST FOLLOWING THE . I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY FROM THE APPLICANT OR DO SO. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WE'RE TURNING IT OVER TO STAFF. PERFECT, THANK YOU. THE CASE BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT IS CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 0 0 9 MSP REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR BLOCK J IN THE BRIDGE PARK DEVELOPMENT. THE MASTER SIGN PLAN REVIEW IS A ONE STEP PROCESS. MASTER SIGN PLANS [01:35:01] ARE INTENDED TO ALLOW FOR UNIQUE AND CREATIVE SIGN DESIGN AND DISPLAY AND TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY TO DEVIATE FROM THE STANDARDS OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SIGN CODE PROVISIONS. DEVIATIONS FROM THE CODE CAN CONSIDER UNIQUE SITE CONDITIONS, NUMBER OF SIGNS, AND A COORDINATED SIGN PACKAGE AMONGST OTHER CONSIDERATIONS. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS THE FINAL REVIEWING BODY FOR A MASTER SIGN PLAN DETERMINATION. THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN BRIDGE STREET, DISTRICT DISTRICT SCIOTO RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS 5.37 ACRES IN SIZE. LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN HERE, WE HAVE THREE BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE COVERED UNDER THIS MASTER SIGN PLAN BUILDING J ONE, WHICH IS OFFICE AND A RESTAURANT USE BUILDING J TWO, WHICH IS CONDOMINIUMS AND J THREE, WHICH IS GARAGE. THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS SITE WAS APPROVED IN JULY OF LAST YEAR. IN 2016, PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PLAN FOR BRIDGE PARK BLOCKS B AND C AMENDMENTS TO THIS PLAN HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR EACH BLOCK OF DEVELOPMENT SINCE THIS INITIAL PLAN ESTABLISHED A FRAMEWORK OF QUALITATIVE AND QUANTITATIVE STANDARDS TO ENCOURAGE UNIQUE SIGN DESIGNS. AND THIS REQUEST IS SIMPLY A CONTINUATION OF THAT PROCESS. THIS IS SIMPLY TO SHOW SOME OF THE SIGN TYPES THAT ARE PERMITTED UNDER THIS MASTER SIGN PLAN, AS WELL AS HIGH QUALITY IMAGES OF EXAMPLE, SIGNS AND SIGNS THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED IN THE BRIDGE PARK DEVELOPMENT. THIS GOES TO SHOW THAT THIS PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS AND THERE IS A MORE IN-DEPTH DESCRIPTION OF THE SIGN TYPES THAT WILL BE PERMITTED HERE, AS WELL AS THE REGULATIONS WITH, WITH EACH OF THOSE SIGNS IN THE GENERAL REGULATIONS MATRIX THAT CAN BE SEEN ON PAGE 17 OF THE PACKET. AND AGAIN, MORE EXAMPLE SIGN TYPES THAT WE WOULD BE PERMITTED, AS WELL AS EXAMPLE IMAGERY. MOVING ON TO THE ELEVATIONS, STARTING WITH BUILDING J ONE, THE OFFICE AND RESTAURANT SPACE. NOT ALL OF THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWN HERE, BUT THIS IS SIMPLY TO SHOW THAT THE SIGNS THAT ARE DISPLAYED ON THESE ELEVATIONS ARE GENERAL LOCATIONS OF WHERE SIGNS COULD BE PERMITTED, BUT NOT EACH LOCATION SHOWN WILL HAVE A SIGN NECESSARILY. THE NUMBER OF SIGNS PER TENANT, PER TENANT IS BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE TENANT WITHIN THE BUILDING, WHETHER THEY'RE ON THE FIRST STORY OR UPPER STORY. AND ALL FINAL SIGN LOCATIONS WILL REQUIRE BOTH CITY AND LANDLORD APPROVAL. PLACEMAKING ART SIGNS ARE REGULATORY UNDER THIS PLAN. ONE PLACEMAKING ART SIGN IS SHOWN ON THIS BUILDING HIGHLIGHTED IN THE GREEN BOXES ON THE NORTH ELEVATION. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, PROJECTING ONTO THE EASTERN ELEVATION, PLACEMAKING ART SIGNS UNDER THIS PACKET ARE REGULATORY IN THE LOCATION AND NO OTHER LOCATIONS FOR THIS SITE AND TYPE WILL BE APPROVED FOR BUILDING J TWO. THE CONDOMINIUM BUILDING, SAME THING HERE. THE LOCATIONS SHOWN ARE GENERAL LOCATIONS OF WHERE SIGNS COULD BE PERMITTED, BUT THIS DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT SIGNS WILL BE IN THESE LOCATIONS. AND LASTLY, BUILDING J THREE, THE GARAGE BUILDING. THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES FOR THIS GARAGE, EACH OF WHICH IS IDENTIFIED BY A PLACEMAKING ART SIGN THAT IS, AGAIN, REGULATORY IN THE LOCATION. THIS IS ON THE THIRD FLOOR OF EACH SIDE. AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH PAST APPROVALS. THERE IS ALSO A WALL SIGN SHOWN ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF EACH OF THESE ENTRANCES. AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED US IMAGES OF THE PARKING MARQUES SIGNS, WHICH ALSO MATCH WHAT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON THE SITE. ALL OF THE CRITERIA FOR THE MASTER SIGN PLAN HAS BEEN MET AND PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR THE MASTER SIGN PLAN. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, MS. DEMI OR DO YOU HAVE ANY? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. . OKAY. MR. CHINOOK? NO QUESTIONS, YOUR HONOR. MS. HARDER. MR. ALEXANDER, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THIS PACKET TOGETHER. I THINK THIS IS VERY NICE, VERY THOROUGH. EASY TO FOLLOW. MR. GARVIN, HAVE A QUESTION. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY, SO I'M [01:40:01] GOING TO CLOSE THE QUESTIONS AND OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS CASE TONIGHT? NOBODY'S RUNNING TO THE MICROPHONE, SO I'M GONNA CLOSE THE COMMENT PERIOD. AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER FOR DISCUSSION. UM, IT'S, WELL, ALRIGHT, I'LL GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF RATIONALE 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ACTUALLY, I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO. UM, I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WHAT WITH WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST. IT IS, I THINK NICELY DONE. UM, AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSAL. THANK YOU, MR. MR. CHIN. I AGREE. AND I THINK GARY'S POINT WAS GREAT TO SAY IT WAS VERY, VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER, WELL THOUGHT OUT. AND I DON'T, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WHY I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR MUCH TO SAY. IT'S MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I ALSO AGREE. I THINK THERE'S THOSE CONFLICTS AND IT LOOKS VERY NICE. THANK YOU. LET'S GO DOWN THE ROAD. THIS WAS REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST LARGE SCALE MASTER SIGN PLAN. I'VE, I'VE SEEN BEING INVOLVED WITH A RB FOR SEVEN YEARS, BEING HERE FOR TWO YEARS. WE'VE NEVER HAD, I'VE NEVER SO GREAT. I THINK IT'S GREAT MR. GARVIN. YEP. AGREE WITH THE COMMISSION. IT'S ALL, UM, IN LINE WITH THE EXPECTATIONS HERE AND THERE'S FURTHER REVIEW FOR ANY PARTICULAR SIGNS. ANYWAY, THANK YOU. YEAH, I, I, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS A, IT'S A REALLY GREAT PACKAGE AND IT MADE OUR JOB PRETTY EASY. WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION FOR THE NEW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT SIGNAGE PLANS, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE. SO, UM, I THINK HOPEFULLY THIS DOCUMENT GAVE YOU A GREAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE ABOUT MASTER SIGN PLANS. SO, UM, WITH THAT, I AM GONNA ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MASTER SIGN PLAN. SO MOVED. SECOND, SIR. THANK YOU. MICROPHONE'S NOT WORKING. CALL THE ROLL. MS. HARDER? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. CHINOOK? YES. MS. DEMA, SIR? YES. MR. WE, YES. AND MR. GARVIN? YES. THANK YOU. MOTION APPROVED ? YES. THAT IS A NEW RECORD, AT LEAST AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE. UM, OKAY. SO [COMMUNICATIONS] MR. BATAR, WE'RE GONNA TURN IT OVER FOR COMMUNICATIONS. TWO, TWO QUICK PIECES OF COMMUNICATION. HOPEFULLY YOU SAW THE BOOK THAT WE PUT AT YOUR, UH, DESK. UH, AS YOU'RE AWARE, UM, MS. HOLT IS MANAGING THE PROJECT WITH, UH, SOME CONSULTANTS TO DO AN AUDIT OF THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION REGULATION CODES AND, UH, TO SEE HOW THOSE, UH, ACHIEVE OR DO NOT ACHIEVE THE, UH, OBJECTIVES OF THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN AND SEVERAL OTHER PLANS. UH, THE BOOK THAT WE PROVIDED TO IS ACTUALLY AUTHORED BY ONE OF THE CONSULTANTS THAT HAS, UH, DONE WORK FOR THE CITY HERE BEFORE AS WELL. AND IT'S A VERY GOOD BOOK IN OUR OPINION, AND KINDA PROVIDE SOME INSIGHTS IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE MAY BE LOOKING AT, UH, IF THIS PROGRESSES BEYOND JUST THE AUDIT. AND ALSO, AS YOU ARE AWARE, WE ARE LOOKING AT, AT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, THE IDEA OF MIXED USE DISTRICTS AND WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS. AND THERE'S SOME INSIGHTS THAT THIS BOOK PROVIDES AS WELL. SO WE WANTED TO, WANTED YOU TO HAVE A COPY AND BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ARE WE GONNA DO A REPORT OUT AT THE NEXT MEETING OF ? WELL, I'LL PROPOSE A BOOK CLUB. WE'LL HAVE A BOOK CLUB SESSION. WE CAN, WE CAN BREAK IT INTO CHAPTERS AND WE CAN COULD EACH REPORT OUT ON THE CHAPTER. THERE'S EIGHT CHAPTERS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BASS AND WE ALL HAVE TO TAKE A CHAPTER . YEAH. AND MS. HOLT WILL BE THE JUDGE AS TO WHAT GRADE YOU GET AFTERWARDS. SO. WELL, WE DO HAVE SOME SERIOUS ZONING STUFF COMING DOWN TO US, SO I THINK THIS BOOK WILL BE VERY USEFUL. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO AT LEAST, UM, REVIEW IT. , FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT AREN'T BIG READERS. . ANYWAY, SO THANK, THAT'S A, THIS IS A GREAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, IS THAT IT? THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING IS ONE MORE REMINDER ABOUT THE TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES. I THINK MR. WAY MENTIONED THAT HE'S INTERESTED IN THE ULI CON CONFERENCE THAT'S COMING UP. SO IF ANYBODY ELSE IS INTERESTED IN ANY, JUST LET US KNOW. AND THE, THE A PA ONE IS COMING UP ALSO A A P IS, UH, LAST WEEK OF APRIL. RIGHT. AND THAT ONE, I'M, YEAH. AND I THINK I'M GOING TO THE ULI ONE IN, UM, MEMPHIS, NO, ULI IS IN NASHVILLE. NASHVILLE, SORRY. I, UH, AP IS IN DETROIT. [01:45:03] NASHVILLE'S NOT A TOO SHABBIER PLACE TO GO VISIT, SO ANYWAY. ALRIGHT. IS THAT IT? GREAT. WELL WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.