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UM, MS. MAXWELL, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? YES, MR. ALEXANDER? HERE.
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OUR FIRST CASE TONIGHT IS CASE NUMBER 25 0 9 0 A FDP VISTA CHURCH PICKLEBALL.
COURTS AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH A TEXT MODIFICATION TO ALLOW OUTDOOR RECREATION COURTS.
THE 6.63 ACRE SITE IS ON PUD PLANNED UNIT DISTRICT VISTA COMMUNITY CHURCH.
UH, THIS CASE HAS BEEN TABLED, SO I NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPTING TABLING THE CASE NUMBER 25 0 9 0 A FDP.
I THINK WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE
[Case #25-093PDP]
TONIGHT.I THINK EVERYBODY'S ANXIOUS FOR THAT.
SO, CASE NUMBER 25 DASH NINE THREE PDP MONTEREY SQUARE, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THE 6.86 ACRE SITE IS ZONED B-S-D-H-T-N BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED ON BOTH SIDES OF MONTEREY DRIVE, SOUTH OF ITS INTERSECTION WITH WESTWARD STREET.
I'M NOW LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION.
THE BUTTON'S AT THE BASE OF THE MICROPHONE THERE.
SO, UM, MARK WOOD, UM, 30 55 GLENRIDGE PARKWAY.
UM, I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.
UM, WE ARE EXCITED TO SHARE, UM, WITH YOU UPDATES TO OUR, UH, MONTEREY VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND HOPE THAT YOU'LL BE AS EXCITED AS WE ARE WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE SINCE THE LAST TIME WE CAME IN.
UM, IS OUR GOAL TO ADVANCE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL NOT ONLY BE A DESTINATION WORTHY DEVELOPMENT, BUT
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WILL FIRST AND FOREMOST BE A PRICE COMMUNITY ASSET FOR THE DUBLIN RESIDENTS.THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE A HIGH CHARACTER, PEDESTRIAN FOCUSED, COMMUNITY GATHERING SPOT.
THE FOCUS IS ON SOPHISTICATED YET APPROACHABLE RETAIL.
IT WILL BE A SPOT THAT I WILL WANNA SPEND TIME WITH MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS ON THE WEEKEND, AND I HOPE ALL OF YOU WILL FEEL THE SAME WAY.
UM, TYLER POOL, OUR COMPANY PRESIDENT, WILL WALK YOU THROUGH OUR, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLANS AS THEY'VE BEEN UPDATED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE CAME IN.
UM, TYLER POOLE, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE WOOD COMPANIES, UH, 25 36 WEST LANE AVENUE, UH, COLUMBUS, OHIO.
UM, YEAH, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING YOU A COUPLE RENDERINGS THAT ARE REALLY HOT OFF THE PRESSES.
SO THIS IS ONE THAT WASN'T IN THE PACKET, BUT IT WAS SO COOL THAT WE WANTED TO INCLUDE IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT IS NOT CREATE JUST ANOTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT TO CREATE THIS TRUE VILLAGE CENTER.
SOMETHING THAT ALWAYS FEELS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN DUBLIN, BUT HAS NOT, FOR WHATEVER REASON BEEN BUILT.
AND WE, I THINK OUR ORGANIZING IDEA BEHIND THE PROJECT IS SIMPLE AND THAT WE'RE ENVISIONING THE PUBLIC SPACE TO BE THIS, UH, COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT, WE'RE LAYERING ON KIND OF FIRST IN CLASS ARCHITECTURE AND HISTORIC, UH, HISTORIC MATERIALS THAT FEEL FAMILIAR TO THE VISITORS AND SHOPPERS AND RESIDENTS OF THE AREA.
AND WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH SOME RENDERINGS, SITE PLAN, AND, UM, AND THEN SOME CODE DISCUSSION.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY INTO WAIVERS.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS JUST TO, UH, ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE SPIRIT OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE, UM, AND HOW OUR PROJECT APPLIES TO IT, AND THE WALKABLE NATURE, THE FOCUS ON OPEN SPACE AND THE NEED FOR QUALITY ARCHITECTURE.
UM, SO OUR PROJECT OVERVIEW, SO THE FACTS AND FIGURES ARE THERE.
YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT 140,000 FEET, BUT NOTHING IS MONOLITHIC.
EVERYTHING IS BROKEN DOWN INTO SMALL BUILDINGS THAT CREATE THIS KIND OF BUILT OVER TIME FEELING.
THE DEVELOPMENT INTENTIONALLY TRANSITIONS, UH, FROM THIS TWO STORY ATMOSPHERE ALONG BRIDGE STREET AND EVENTUALLY COMES DOWN TO THIS, UH, SQUARE AND THEN FLOWS DOWN AFTER THAT INTO THESE ONE STORY BACKS OF, UH, BUILDING F AND E TWO INTO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, ONE THING TO NOTE IS THAT WE ARE EITHER DEDICATING OR MAKING NON DEVELOPABLE, UH, ALMOST, YEAH, THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE HERE, WHICH SHOWS KIND OF OUR COMMITMENT TO MAKING THIS WORK WITH DUBLIN, BUT ALSO THAT I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE SITE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE VARIANCES.
VARIANCES IS COLUMBUS WAIVERS HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE SITE PLAN HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO CREATE MONTEREY INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MAIN STREET, UH, IN A WAY THAT DUBLIN DOESN'T REALLY HAVE.
UM, I, YEAH, I THINK, UH, HIGH STREET'S WONDERFUL.
UH, IT JUST HAS THIS, UM, A LOT OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A MORE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT HERE.
UM, PARKING IS CLEARLY SECONDARY, BUT IS STILL VERY USABLE.
AND WE'RE FOCUSING ON KIND OF HOW DO WE CREATE THESE, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT CAN GROW INTO FUTURE CONNECTIONS TOWARDS CORBIN'S MILL ON THAT KIND OF BOTTOM LEFT PAGE THERE.
AND THEN HERE'S SOME OF THESE SECOND FLOOR SPACE.
WE TOOK YOUR IDEA AND ADDED MORE USE TO THE PROJECT.
SO BUILDING A, B AND C, UH, TWO STORY ALONG BRIDGE STREET.
UM, WE THINK THAT'D BE GREAT OFFICE SPACE.
AND I THINK THE MARKET FIT FOR A LOT OF THAT IS GONNA BE THE OPPOSITE OF BRIDGE PARK AND BRIDGE NORTH.
THESE BIG MONOLITHIC, YOU KNOW, FLOOR PLATES.
THESE WOULD BE SMALL USERS, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, AND UP DUBLIN HAS A BIG MARKET FOR THAT.
WE'VE ALSO CHANGED THE GARAGE INSTEAD OF BEING TWO, TWO STORIES.
UH, INSTEAD OF BEING TWO STORIES AND EXTENDING OVER BUILDING G AND H, WE MADE IT THREE STORIES.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, I THINK IT CREATES A, A OPPORTUNITY FOR SECOND FLOOR OFFICE OR SECOND FLOOR RETAIL AND RESTAURANT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK DOWN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON WHAT THAT USE, UH, IS REALLY GONNA SETTLE OUT AT.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE KIND OF OUR, OUR, WHAT'S CHANGED FROM THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE ON THE CONCEPTUAL SUBMISSION ON YOUR RIGHT.
UM, WE, WE WERE, WE WERE ALL SO YOUNG THEN, UM, THE, THE, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, YOU CAN SEE, UH, A LOT OF GARAGE CHANGES.
SO WE HAVE A ROAD BEHIND THE GARAGE THAT WAS GONNA BE A SERVICE ROAD INTO A RIGHT OUT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF THAT ROAD AND, UH, CREATE A KIND OF A BUFFER ZONE THAT'S, UH, I BELIEVE 18 FEET WIDE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROTECTING THOSE TREES.
UH, THAT WILL NOT BE DEVELOPABLE AND, UM, WILL BE A KIND OF A, AN ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE FOR THE CEMETERY.
UM, THE BRIDGE STREET WE'VE CREATED MORE HEIGHT AND THE SECOND FLOOR USE, UH, MONTEREY HAS BEEN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, UH, DISTANCE WENT FROM 50 FEET TO 60 FEET AND SOME, A PEDESTRIAN CUT THROUGH IN THE E BUILDING, A FALSE SECOND STORY, BUT ONE
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STORY IN THE, UH, SQUARE, SO AS NOT TO OVERWHELM, UH, THE USE ON THE SITE.UM, PEDESTRIAN SPACE, UH, IN THE SQUARE HAS INCREASED, INCREASED BY ALMOST 200% WITH LARGER GREEN SPACE AND GETTING RID OF THE ROADWAY TO FURTHER PROTECT CHILDREN AND THE PEDESTRIAN THERE.
SO WE'LL JUST KIND OF CYCLE THROUGH SOME RENDERINGS HERE.
YOU GUYS HAVE, UH, UH, HAVE, HAVE SEEN SOME OF THESE AND SOME NOT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS JUST GIVES YOU THAT TWO STORY EXPRESSION WITH A KIND OF FRESH LOOK.
THIS IS REALLY A, UM, UH, IN THE STYLE OF PALISADES VILLAGE IN CALIFORNIA WHERE THERE'S KIND OF THIS, UH, FAMILIAR FOCUS AND ROOF FORMS FOR, UH, MIXED USE, BUT IT'S A KIND OF WHITE DIFFERENT MATERIALS.
SO WHITE BRICK, UM, A WHITE SOCO THAT'S, UH, APPLIED ON SITE.
AND THEN MOVING BACK INTO A MORE HISTORIC, UH, MATERIALS ON THE BACK OF THE SITE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THE, UM, THIS IS THE MONTEREY, UH, G BUILDING, G AND H.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, ON YOUR LEFT BUILDING, G AND H HIDING THE GARAGE.
UH, ONE PIECE THAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IS THAT STAIRWAY ON YOUR LEFT.
THAT'S, WE THINK IS GOING TO BE A PIECE OF ART.
UM, OUR HOPE IS FOR TIL RISERS FOR, UM, INTERESTING RAILINGS AND INTERESTING, UH, STAIR TREADS WITH IVY AND, YOU KNOW, NON UNUSUAL WINDOWS OF WHAT YOU'D NORMALLY FIND.
HIGHLAND PARK VILLAGE DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF THIS IN DALLAS, TEXAS, OF CREATING THESE JUST STRANGE, YOU KNOW, MOMENTS OF JUST THINGS YOU WOULDN'T NORMALLY EXPECT, EXPECT IN A UTILITARIAN STAIRCASE, BUT MAKING IT A FOCAL POINT FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE SENSE FOR WHAT OUR STREETS SCAPE WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO WE'RE PUSHING FORWARD ON A STREETS SCAPE THAT WE FEEL IS, UM, BETTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE.
SO A CONCRETE CURB, UM, NO, UH, PAVERS ON THE ROADWAY, AND THEN BRICK PAVERS ALONG THE SIDEWALK.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE THE USUAL, BUT IT'S WHAT IS IN FRONT OF THE DUBLIN CHURCH, AND I THINK IT JUST IS PATINA AND LOOKS WONDERFUL.
UM, IT IS NOT CHEAP TO DO THIS.
THESE NEXT TWO IMAGES JUST GONNA SHOW YOU THAT SQUARE.
WE'VE REDESIGNED THIS, UM, GREEN, UH, P BUILDING HERE TO REALLY SHOW OFF KIND OF WHAT THAT WILL BE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT'LL BE THIS KIND OF FOCAL POINT, UH, YOU KNOW, AN ENTRANCE POINT THAT WHEN YOU COME OUTTA THE GARAGE, IT'LL BE THE FIRST THING YOU SEE.
AND THIS TWO STORY, FALSE STORY REALLY ALLOWS US TO PLAY WITH DIFFERENT HEIGHTS HERE.
SO I SHOW YOU THIS IMAGE BECAUSE, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS IN THE REPORT, UM, THAT MR. PETAR PUT TOGETHER WAS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FALSE STORY MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, FEEL ACCURATE, BUT I THINK WHEN WE HAVE THIS, IT CREATES A SENSE OF ENCLOSURE FOR A PERSON WITH A FAMILIAR URBAN FORM.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT ALLOWS US TO INSERT THESE LITTLE ONE STORY, UH, PITCHED ROOF PIECES THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THIS GREEN PEW BUILDING IN THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE THIS LOOK LIKE IT WAS BUILT OVER TIME BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
ANOTHER VIEWPOINT THAT YOU CAN SEE KIND OF OUR, OUR P BUILDING SHAPE, BUT ALSO OUR, UH, UH, CROSSWALK THERE, THAT IS A RAISED PAVEMENT THAT WILL PROTECT THE PEDESTRIANS SLOW DOWN CARS THAT, UM, PARALLEL PARK AND WILL SLOW DOWN CARS AS WELL.
BUT THERE, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF BRICK HERE THAT WILL, UM, CREATE A, A FAMILIAR FORM FOR PEDESTRIANS WALKING THROUGH HERE.
THIS IS THE GARAGE, UH, KIND OF PORTAL WAY.
SO YOU, YOU COULDN'T TELL ME THAT THERE WAS A GARAGE IN HERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, THREE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO USE THESE HISTORIC MATERIALS HERE.
UM, ONE THING TO NOTE IS ON THE RIGHT, WE'RE TRYING TO DO A, UH, WOOD ROOF ON THAT TO REALLY DRIVE HOME THAT THIS IS NOT YOUR, YOU KNOW, RUN IN THE MILL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO HIT ARE THESE LITTLE PASSE WAYS AND PEDESTRIAN WAYS.
THEY COST A LOT TO DO, AND THEY'RE REALLY HARD TO LOSE THIS MUCH LEASEABLE SPACE, BUT WE DON'T WANT THIS TO FEEL LIKE A LITTLE SERVICE ALLEYWAY.
WE WANT THESE TO BE INTERESTING SPACES.
SO WHAT YOU FIND IS THAT THERE'S, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THESE, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT CARS RIGHT AWAY.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT OTHER BUILDINGS THAT JUT IN AND JUT OUT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO LOOK AT THAT'S NOT BLACKTOP.
UM, ALSO ON THIS PAGE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE OUR, OUR REAL ARTICULATION, I THINK SO MUCH.
UH, WHENEVER THE WORD ARTICULATION IS THROWN AROUND IN THESE MEETINGS, IT TURNS INTO A, UH, USE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, BUT IT MAINTAINS THE SAME FLATNESS, IF YOU WILL.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH THESE BUILDINGS REALLY FACADE, RECESSES IN AND OUT, UM, IN A REAL WAY TO LOOK LIKE THEY WERE DONE OVER TIME.
THAT'S THE IMAGE FROM THE BEGINNING.
LIKE, YOU CAN SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANTED TO INCLUDE THIS.
WE WANT THE BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO SPILL OUT ONTO THE, UH, THE SQUARE, BUT ALSO THE SQUARE CAN HAVE ITS OWN IDENTITY WITH ITS OWN PROGRAMMING, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING.
AND THEN THIS AERIAL IMAGE JUST SHOWS YOU WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE G BUILDING.
LOOKING DOWN, I MEAN, THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A REALLY FIRST CLASS DEVELOPMENT IN WHAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND IN CENTRAL OHIO.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE REALLY SWINGING FOR THE FENCES ON THIS AND, UM, THIS MUCH PUBLIC SPACE, THIS MUCH GREEN SPACE.
WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BRING IT TO THE COMMUNITY HERE.
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PREVIOUSLY, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THESE VARIANCES, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REMEMBER WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO HERE.CREATE THESE, YOU KNOW, URBAN, WALKABLE MIXED USE AREAS THAT REALLY FOCUS ON THE PUBLIC REALM AND HAVE THIS LASTING IN HUMAN SCALE ARCHITECTURE.
AND WHEN WE LAID OUT THIS PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIFFERENT COLORED PENCILS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO HERE.
AND A BIG PART OF THIS WAS LET'S LAY OUT THE GREEN SPACE WITH THIS CENTRAL GREEN AND THEN BUILD, YOU KNOW, THE BEST ARCHITECTURE YOU CAN AROUND IT.
AND I THINK WE'VE REALLY DONE A, DAN HAINES, OUR ARCHITECT HERE, HAS DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB IN EXECUTING ON THAT.
UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE WALKABILITY IN THE URBAN FORM, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT REALLY WANTS TO MAKE THIS A MAJOR FOCUS.
AND I THINK WE'VE REALLY DONE THAT.
SO THIS, THE WIDE SIDEWALKS, THE SAFETY FEATURES, THE PARALLEL PARKING, WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THE PEDESTRIAN FEELS SAFE.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE URBAN FORM, THIS KIND OF GOES TO THAT.
WE WANNA CREATE THIS MAIN STREET, EARLY 19TH CENTURY AESTHETIC THAT DUBLIN DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF.
IT'S EITHER WELL BEFORE OR WELL AFTER.
UM, AND THIS MAIN STREET ENVIRONMENT, I THINK WOULD BE, UH, WELL SERVED IN DUBLIN.
AND THEN IN RESPONDING TO OUR LAST MEETING, I ALWAYS THINK THESE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A ROADBLOCK, IT'S A WAY TO WORK TOGETHER.
AND YOU GUYS PUSHING FOR THE, UH, ADDITIONAL USES ON THE SITE REALLY HELPS US AVOID THOSE DEAD TIMES.
UM, AND WE HAVE A SECOND FLOOR HERE THAT'S GONNA BE UTILIZED, AND IT HELPS US REALLY DOUBLE STACK THE PARKING NEEDS.
SO NOBODY'S SHOPPING AT 9:00 AM ON A TUESDAY, BUT ALSO NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO WORK AT 9:00 PM ON A SATURDAY.
SO IT REALLY ALLOWS US TO, UH, DOUBLE USE A LOT OF THE PARKING SPACES.
AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID RESIDENTIAL USE HERE, UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS CRITICAL TO ACHIEVING NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT.
AND WE REALLY AREN'T BIG ON, UM, PROMISING THINGS AND THEN GOING BACK ON THEM TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY, THIS PUBLIC REALM QUALITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, MARK AND I HAD A LUNCH TODAY WITH A BANKER OUT OF ST.
LOUIS WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, WHO'S YOUR ANCHOR FOR THIS PROJECT? AND I SAID, THE O THE OPEN SPACE IS THE ANCHOR.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO BE.
THAT IS THE PHOTOGRAPHY FOR THESE TENANTS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE, THE CODE MINIMUM HERE IS, UH, 2,500.
WE'RE 10 XING THAT FOR PUBLIC SPACE.
WE WANT THE PROGRAMMING TO BE, YOU KNOW, REALLY BEST IN CLASS WITH, YOU KNOW, DAYTIME ACTIVITIES, NIGHTTIME ACTIVITIES, YOU KNOW, AND A LOT OF HOLIDAY PROGRAMMING AS WELL.
AND THEN THE ARCHITECTURE I'VE, I'VE TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT, BUT JUST THIS, YOU KNOW, LASTING HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURAL FIELD, THAT'S, WE HAVE 20 DIFFERENT FACADES IN THIS REAL ARTICULATION.
UM, AND THE WORRY HERE IS IF WE TRY AND LIVE TOO CLOSE TO THE CODE, I WORRY WHAT IS APPROVABLE AND WHAT IS CHEAPER TO BUILD, UM, WOULD POTENTIALLY PUSH US TOWARDS A, YOU KNOW, A ONE STORY PITCH DREW OUTLET MALL, WHICH OBVIOUSLY NO ONE WOULD WANT, BUT I THINK WE'RE REALLY, WE'RE WILLING TO SPEND THE MONEY TO CREATE THIS, YOU KNOW, LASTING ENVIRONMENT HERE.
SO, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO A DISCUSSION ON, UH, HEIGHTS AND ARCHITECTURE HERE.
AND YEAH, SO THIS IS OUR KIND OF OUR, OUR MAIN THOUGHT ON, UH, PUSHING THIS OUT THERE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY, THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN CREATING THIS KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN FOCUS AND WALKABILITY IN THE URBAN FORM.
UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER.
IS THAT THE COMPLETION OF YOUR PRESENTATION? IT'S GREAT.
UH, STAFF PRESENTATION PLEASE.
GENTLEMEN, I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY SIT DOWN.
UM, I'M GONNA START BY, UH, TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THE PROCESS, BECAUSE THIS IS A MULTI-STEP REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO, UM, THIS COMMISSION SAW A CON CONCEPT PLAN THAT MR. POOLE AND MR. WOOD, UH, REFERENCE BACK IN JUNE, I BELIEVE.
UM, NOW THAT WAS A NON-BINDING FEEDBACK TYPE OF STAGE.
NOW IT'S, UH, UH, GOING THROUGH THE STAGES, WHICH DO REQUIRE A DETERMINATION AND APPROVAL, BUT IT'S BY NO MEANS THE LAST STEP.
SO THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, AT THIS LEVEL, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT THE FINAL DETAILS, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAKING SURE THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FEEDBACK YOU PROVIDED AT THE CONCEPT PLAN STAGE, AND THAT SOME OF THE, UH, CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE EXPECTED IN THE BRIDGE STREET HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD ARE BEING MET AND OTHER, UH, CITY PLANS AND UTILITY SERVICES AND SO FORTH.
SO THERE WOULD BE A MOTION, HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF THE EVENING TO, UM, APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, ONCE IT'S APPROVED, IT MOVES ON TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE, AND THAT WOULD BE ACCOMPANIED BY A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT.
AND THE PLATS WOULD HAVE TO GO ON TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL RESTS WITH THIS COMMISSION.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, COMING UP AT THE LATER STAGE.
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APPROVED, THEY CAN MOVE ON TO PERMITTING.THE SITE, AS YOU ARE AWARE, IS ON BOTH SIDES OF MONTEREY DRIVE, JUST SOUTH OF BRIDGE STREET.
IT DOES INCLUDE A, UH, UH, ONE PARCEL THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY CURRENTLY, RIGHT AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
USED TO HAVE A GAS STATION AT THAT PARCEL, AND THEN THE REST OF THE PARCELS USED TO HAVE DUPLEXES, UH, TO, TO THE SOUTH.
ALL WERE REMOVED A FEW YEARS AGO, AND WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THE INTENT IS TO TRADE THE CITY OWNED COUNCIL FOR, UH, SOME LAND AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE FOR FUTURE CEMETERY EXPANSION.
UH, I WOULD POINT OUT AGAIN, THE SITE IS ZONED BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THE CEMETERY TO THE EAST IS IN THE HISTORIC PUBLIC ZONING DISTRICT.
THE THREE PARCELS THAT FRONT ON CORBIN'S MILL ARE IN THE BRIDGE STREET COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
AND THEN THE PORTION OF THE CEMETERY, UH, JUST TO THE SOUTH IS IN THE BRIDGE STREET PUBLIC.
SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF, UH, DISTRICTS, AND I'LL GET TO WHY THOSE MATTER IN A MINUTE.
A FEW IMAGES, I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, UH, YOU CAN SEE SOME TREE CANOPY IN THE BACKGROUND.
YOU CAN SEE THE SHELF STATION AT THE FRONTAGE THAT WOULD BE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS, UH, PROJECT.
AND A COUPLE OTHER VIEWS, UH, CLOSER TO THE LINE, UH, NEAR THE CEMETERY.
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE SOME MATURE TREES THAT, UH, MARK THAT PROPERTY LINE AND THE GAS STATION.
AGAIN, THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR, UM, THIS SITE IS, UH, MIXED USE VILLAGE.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE INTENT IS TO CREATE THE TYPE OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT.
A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DISTRICT THAT'S, UH, UH, RESPECTFUL OF THE ADJACENT HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, TALKS ABOUT THE PRINCIPAL USES BEING OFFICE, RETAIL, CIVICS, SINGLE FAMILY, COMMERCIAL, AND, UH, UH, FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS.
UM, THE SUPPORTING USES INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY, AND THEN THE FORM IS ONE TO THREE STORIES WITH OPEN SPACE AND WALKABILITY WITH PARKING BEING SECONDARY.
IT'S ALSO IN THE, UH, UH, THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SPECIAL AREA PLAN WITHIN THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN ALSO PUTS SOME EMPHASIS ON THIS SITE AS A TRANSITIONAL SITE FROM THE, UH, ACTIVITY.
BUT ALONG, UH, BRIT STREET TO THE, UH, QUIETER NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE SOUTH.
UM, AGAIN, WITHIN THAT PLAN, THE VISION IS FOR TWO TO THREE STORY MIXED USE BUILDINGS ALONG, UH, THE BRIT STREET FRONTAGE WITH POTENTIALLY RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH AS A, AS A TRANSITIONAL USE AND, AND ALL OF THE PLANS.
THERE IS A VISION FOR CONNECTIVITY TO CORBIN'S MILL IN THE FUTURE WHERE THAT CONNECTIVITY HAPPENS, FLUCTUATES BETWEEN PLANS.
BUT THE INTENT IS THERE, UM, THAT IS ACCOUNTED FOR.
THE BRITT STREETE DISTRICT CODE ALSO HAS, UH, SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATIONS.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS THE HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD WITHIN THE BRIDGET STREET CODE, UH, INTENDED TO MUCH LIKE THE OTHER PLANTS TO COMPLEMENT THE HISTORIC CORE VARIETY OF BUILDING TYPES, FINER GRAIN STREETS THAT ARE WALKABLE, AND, UM, ALLOWING THE EXTENSION OF THE WALKABLE MIXED USE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT ALSO TRANSITIONING TO THE HIGHER INTENSITY USES TO THE WEST.
AND FINALLY, THE BRIDGE STREET STREET NETWORK PLAN, UM, HAS SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UH, SUITE CATEGORIES.
UH, BRIDGE STREET BEING A CORRIDOR CONNECTOR AND A PRINCIPAL FRONTAGE STREET, UH, WHICH HAS, UH, REQUIRES MORE SCRUTINY IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF CURB CUTS AND ACCESS AND TREATMENT AND SO FORTH.
UH, MONTEREY DRIVE IS DESIGNATED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, AND THEN THE CONNECTION TO CORBINS MILL IS ALSO A FUTURE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET.
THE MR. POOL DID A NICE JOB OF EXPLAINING HOW THIS HAS EVOLVED FROM THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT PLAN.
UH, JUST WANTED TO, UH, POINT OUT A FEW THINGS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME, AND THAT IS, UH, SUPPORT FOR THE OVERALL LAYOUT AND OPEN SPACE.
UH, APPRECIATED VERY MUCH THE COMMUNICATION WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORS AT THE TIME.
AND, BUT THERE WAS A, AT THE TIME IT WAS MOSTLY RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS.
SO AS YOU HEARD, UH, THE CURRENT PLAN NOW INCLUDES THE OFFICE COMPONENT, WHICH WAS A RESULT OF THE DISCUSSION.
UH, THEN, AND THEN THERE WERE SOME, UH, CONCERNS
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ABOUT TRAFFIC AND CONNECTIVITY AND AT WHAT STAGE THAT CONNECTIVITY HAPPENS AND WHETHER A SIGNAL MIGHT BE WARRANTED ALONG, UM, BRIDGE STREET AT, AT THE INTERSECTION WITH MONTEREY.THERE WAS ALSO A LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT THE BUILDING, BUILDING E BASICALLY THE ONE AT THE WEST SIDE THAT WAS TOO LONG AND CONTINUOUS, AND THE PREFERENCE FOR A PEDESTRIAN WAVE THROUGH THAT BUILDING.
SO, UH, THE CHANGES HERE THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE, AGAIN, UM, MUCH OF THEM, MR. POOL TOUCHED ON, SO I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERYTHING HERE, BUT, UH, WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THEY DID DO A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT, UM, AT THIS POINT SHOWING THAT A SIGNAL WOULD BE WARRANTED.
THAT'S STILL BEING STUDIED BY THE CITY, BUT THE PRELIMINARY INDICATION IS IT IS WARRANTED.
UM, THE, AS MR POOL MENTIONED, THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF THE SITE IS NOW ABOUT 18 FOOT BUFFER WITH NO CURB CUTS AND NO DRIVES TO, IN AN ATTEMPT TO, UH, PRESERVE MORE OF THE TREES AND BE MORE RESPECTFUL TO THE CEMETERY.
UH, I SHOULD MENTION AT THIS POINT THAT OUR PREFERENCE, IF THE SITE WAS LIKELY CONFIGURED DIFFERENTLY, WOULD'VE BEEN FOR THE PARKING STRUCTURE TO BE ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND MORE RELATION TO THE, UH, CEMETERY AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ON THE EAST SIDE.
THE GEOMETRY OF THIS SITE DOESN'T HELP WITH THE, IN TERMS OF, UH, CREATING THE CORE OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, AND THAT'S THE TOWN SQUARE.
UH, THEY'VE ATTEMPTED SEVERAL SCENARIOS TO SEE IF THAT COULD BE REVERSED.
AND SO, SO OUR FOCUS, UH, RIGHT NOW FROM A STAFF REVIEW STANDPOINT IS, UH, HOW THAT EDGE CORRESPONDS TO THE CEMETERY.
SO THAT EXTRA BUFFER IS VERY HELPFUL.
WE DO THINK THE BUILDING AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UM, HELPS ANCHOR THAT VIEW AS WELL, SINCE THAT'S WHERE THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION HAPPENS.
AND, UH, THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT ALSO IS THE, UH, STREET CHARACTERISTICS.
UM, AS MR. POOL MENTIONED NOW, WE ARE LOOKING AT A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANS FOR THAT AREA FOR MONTEREY DRIVE.
UH, THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR IS NOW DESIGNATED AS A PUBLIC STREET.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, THE PREVIOUS PLAN HAD IT AS A PRIVATE STREET IN THE INTERIM WITH THE FUTURE CONVERSION.
AND THEN, UM, THE STREETSCAPE ELEMENTS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE STANDARDS IN THE, UH, UH, STREET SCAPE, UH, GUIDELINES FOR THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, BUT THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO SOME OF THOSE DETAILS WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON, UM, REFINING THEM AND FINALIZING THEM.
BUT THE GENERAL APPROACH IS, UH, PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE EXPECTATION HERE.
UH, THIS IS JUST AN OVERLAY IMAGE TO SHOW HOW THAT RELATES TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO YOU START GET, GETTING A FEEL FOR THE INDIVIDUAL SPACES WITHIN THESE BUILDINGS, UH, RELATIVE TO, UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ALSO THE, UH, CONNECTIVITY AND THE LOCATION NEXT TO THE PARK.
AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY FOR FUTURE CEMETERY EXPANSION.
SO, UH, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT EDGE AS WELL, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE FOR, UH, POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL BUFFERING.
AND SO IN TERMS OF HOW THIS MEETS THE PLANS AND, AND THE CODE REQUIREMENTS, THE USES, THEY'RE LOOKING AT TREE RETAIL AND FOOD ON THE, UH, FIRST FLOOR WITH SECOND, UH, STORY OFFICES.
AND THERE, AS MR. POOL MENTIONED, THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE FOR UPS, UH, UH, FOOD ESTABLISHMENT ON THE SECOND FLOOR AS WELL.
UH, THOSE WOULD BE BASICALLY THE BUILDINGS THAT FRONT ALONG BRIDGE STREET AND THE EAST SIDE OF MONTEREY THAT WOULD HAVE THE SECOND FLOORS.
THOSE USES ARE ALL, UH, PERMITTED WITHIN THE HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD, AS ARE THE ACCESSORY USES, SUCH AS THE PARKING STRUCTURE.
UH, IN THIS CASE, THE PARKING CALCULATIONS AT THIS POINT, UM, INDICATE THAT WITH THE POTENTIAL, UH, PARKING, UM, EXEMPTIONS, UH, FOR TRANSIT PROXIMITY AND SHARED PARKING AND SO FORTH, THAT THEY WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THOSE DETAILS WILL HAVE TO BE FINALIZED AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE AND DOCUMENTED.
AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF A PARKING PLAN THAT YOU WOULD VOTE ON AT THAT AT THAT POINT.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WOULD MEET THOSE STANDARDS.
UM, MENTIONED THIS, UM, STREETSCAPE DETAILS WILL BE FINALIZED.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH THEM ON IS, UH, THE EAST
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WEST NEW NEIGHBORHOOD STREET AND HOW THAT RELATES TO THE PARK TO THE SOUTH, SO THAT IT, UH, STILL FEELS LIKE A PUBLIC STREET ON BOTH SIDES, AND HOW THAT WALKABILITY AND ACCESS TO THE PARK MIGHT WORK WHILE WE ARE HOPEFULLY PRESERVING TREES.AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CAN SEE THE INTENT TO INCLUDE THE BRICK SIDEWALKS IN HERE.
UM, THAT'S A LITTLE BEYOND WHERE THE STANDARD STREETSCAPE AND THE BRIDGE STREET IS.
THAT'S EXPECTED ALONG THE, UH, BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S NOT EXPECTED ON STANDARD STREETS.
UH, BUT AGAIN, WE DO FEEL THAT THIS WOULD TIE TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO ALSO STUDY A LITTLE FURTHER IS THE INTERSECTION OF MONTEREY AND BRIDGE STREET.
AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE SHOWING TWO LEFT TURN LANES.
UH, THE INTENT HERE IS TO TRY TO PRESERVE MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN FOCUSED, AND SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT.
BUT ALSO, AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN THE INITIAL STAGES OF STUDYING THE WESTBRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR.
AND, UH, AS THAT EVOLVES, UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT WHOLE SWEET SCAPE AND ENHANCING, HOPEFULLY, THE CONNECTIVITY ALSO TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND SOLVING SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH THE TIGHTNESS OF THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE, UM, CEMETERY.
SO THAT WILL BE LOOKED AT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT AS WELL, UH, POTENTIAL WAIVERS THAT MAY BE COMING, UH, WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, ONE IS THE BLOCK LENGTH AND PERIMETER.
UH, THE LIMIT IS 300 FEET FOR BLOCK LENGTH AND A THOUSAND FEET FOR PERIMETER.
UH, IN THIS INSTANCE, THE STREETS ARE SET.
YOU HAVE THE CEMETERY ON THE EAST SIDE, THERE IS REALLY NOT MUCH THAT YOU CAN DO WITH THAT.
SO THE BLOCK ON THE WEST SIDE, IF IT CONTINUES TO CORBIN'S MILL WILL EXCEED THOSE LIMITS, BUT, UH, MAKES SENSE AS PROPOSED.
AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE, IT'S A PARTIAL BLOCK, BUT THE CIRCULATION SYSTEM STILL GIVES YOU THAT FEEL FOR, UH, MORE WALKABLE, SMALLER BLOCK, UM, ORIENTATION.
THE, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, THE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE WHERE BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE, UH, LOCATED WITHIN, UM, 20 FEET OF THE PUBLIC, RIGHT OF WAY ALONG BRIT STREET, 10 FEET ALONG MONTEREY AND 10 20 FEET ON THE NEW STREET.
ALL OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED WOULD MEET THAT REQUIREMENT EXCEPT FOR BUILDING E ONE, WHICH BY AGAIN, THE ORIENTATION AND THE DESIRE TO CREATE THE TOWN SQUARE WOULD NOT MEET THAT, BUT IT MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
THE, THERE IS A MINIMUM FRONT LINE, UH, OR FRONT PROPERTY LINE FRONTAGE OF 80% FOR BUILDINGS, BASICALLY FROM EDGE TO EDGE.
THEY'RE INTENDED TO CREATE THAT, UM, URBAN STREETSCAPE BUILDING.
E TWO AND F FALLS SLIGHTLY SHORT, UH, IN TERMS OF THAT, MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE, UH, TRAFFIC DR OR THE, UH, DRIVE AISLE ON THE WEST.
AND THAT ONE, BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THE PARKING TO THE PUBLIC DRIVEWAY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO INCLUDE SOME BUFFERING OR A STREET WALL.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION, UM, ANYWAY, SO THAT WOULD HELP, UH, FILL THAT GAP AT THE FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
LOT COVERAGE, UM, EXCEEDS THE LIMITS, ESPECIALLY ON THE EAST SIDE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT, UM, AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ALTHOUGH I SHOULD MENTION THAT THE PARKING STRUCTURE REQUIRES A MINIMUM FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM BOTH THE EAST AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINES.
AND WE DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT IT BEING ALONG WITH THE ACCESS STRIP BEING RIGHT AT THE NEW PROPERTY LINE AGAINST THE CEMETERY.
AND SO WE'D LIKE TO EXPLORE POSSIBILITIES OF THAT BEING ADJUSTED THERE, SO THAT THERE IS A BUFFER ON THAT SIDE.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, THE CODE FOR THIS DISTRICT OR THE, THE PARTICULAR BUILDING TYPE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT UTILIZING HERE, WHICH IS THE HISTORIC MIXED USE BUILDING TYPE, UH, THE CODE WAS WRITTEN WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN MIND.
SO SOME OF THE MEASUREMENTS AND REQUIREMENTS ARE BASED ON THE SCALE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
UH, UH, THE LONGEST BUILDINGS THERE GENERALLY ARE ABOUT 150 FEET LONG.
SO THE CODE REQUIRES THESE PEDESTRIAN WAVES EVERY 150 FEET.
UM, IN THIS CASE, BUILDING A IS SLIGHTLY LONGER THAN THAT, BUT THERE IS A PEDESTRIAN WAY IN HERE, SO THAT, UH, WOULD WARRANT A WAIVER.
BUILDING C IS ABOUT 200 FEET, AND BUILDING E TWO IS A LITTLE SHY OF 200 FEET.
SO, UH, POSSIBLY, UH, INCLUDING
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PEDESTRIAN WAVES THERE MIGHT HELP, UH, BRING THE SCAPE CLOSER TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.UH, BUILDING G IS LONGER, BUT IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE OF THE, UH, PARKING STRUCTURE BEHIND IT AND THE WAY IT'S BROKEN UP BETWEEN G AND H.
SO, UH, THAT DOES MAKE SENSE THE WAY THEY HAVE IT DESIGNED.
IN TERMS OF OPEN SPACE TYPES, UH, AGAIN, AS MR. POOL MENTIONED, IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEY'RE, UH, PROVIDING MUCH MORE THAN THE MINIMUM CODE REQUIREMENT.
UH, THERE ARE FOR THE, UH, OPEN SPACE TYPES IN THE CODE, THERE ARE SPECIFIC DESIGNATIONS, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE PLAZA OPEN SPACE TYPE BEST FITS THE, UH, TIMES SQUARE, UH, OPEN SPACE THAT REQUIRES A QUARTER OF AN ACRE, AND THEY EXCEED THAT IN THIS CASE.
AND THEN IT, THERE'S A SPACE THAT PIGGYBACKS ON THAT ACROSS THE STREET THAT, UH, WE BELIEVE THE POCKET PLAZA OPEN SPACE TYPE MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
UM, IT TECHNICALLY EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM LIMIT FOR A PLAZA, BUT AGAIN, IT MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S ORIENTED.
AND THE LAST THING I WOULD MENTION ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE IS WITH THE HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD, IT PROMOTES CONNECTIVITY AMONG OPEN SPACES.
SO THESE EOS, IF YOU WILL, OR PEDESTRIAN WAYS, UH, IF WE USE THE CODE TERMINOLOGY, UH, CREATE THAT CONNECTIVITY FROM BRIDGE STREET THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE OPEN SPACE AND EVENTUALLY TO THE, UH, PARK AS WELL.
SO, UH, ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE WORTH CONSIDERING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PARKING ON THE BACK OF THESE BUILDINGS, UH, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO GET FROM SOME OF THESE PARKING SPACES WITHOUT WALKING IN THE DRIVE AISLE.
SO WITH THE COMMENTARY ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN WAYS, THERE MAY BE A POTENTIAL OF, INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE IN HERE WITH LONGER BUILDINGS, PERHAPS HAVING TWO AND HAVING A POTENTIALLY ALIGNED WITH THE WALKWAY SO THAT THE DISTANCE TO THE, UH, PARKING SPACES ARE LESSENED.
AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, UM, COULD BE DISCUSSED AS THE PLAN EVOLVES.
IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPING, UH, THE SITE HAS QUITE A FEW TREES, AND MANY OF THEM ARE HEALTHY TREES RIGHT NOW.
UM, WITH THE NATURE OF DEVELOPMENT, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, UM, THERE'S ALWAYS COMPROMISES IN TERMS OF, UH, ATTEMPTING TO CREATE MORE OF THE URBAN STREETSCAPE.
AND SO IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT, UH, TREES WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED TO CREATE THAT, BUT THE CODE AT THE SAME TIME, UH, PROMOTES THE PRESERVATION OF AS MANY AS POSSIBLE.
AND WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO PRESERVE MORE TREES, AND MOST ESPECIALLY ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE, UM, SOME OF THE PAVEMENT IS, UH, VERY CLOSE WITHIN, UH, COUPLE OF FEET OF THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, AND THERE ARE TREES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT PROPERTY LINE.
SO THE CONCERN IS THAT THE, BETWEEN THE ACTUAL PAVEMENT AND SOME OF THE, UH, UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, THAT THOSE ARE GONNA AFFECT THE CRITICAL, UM, ROOT ZONE FOR THOSE TREES, WHICH IS A 15 FOOT, UM, ROOT ZONE.
AND SO, AND AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, UH, THERE IS A MINIMUM BUFFER REQUIREMENT THERE OF 10 FEET.
SO WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO LOOK AT WAYS TO INCREASE THAT BUFFER TO PRO PROTECTED TREES, AND MAYBE IF THERE ARE SOME TREES THAT MIGHT BE, UH, INCORPORATE INTO SOME ISLANDS THERE TO WORK AROUND THEM, IF THE ROOT ZONE COULD BE PROTECTED, THAT THAT WOULD BE, UH, SHOULD BE THE APPROACH.
UH, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SITE THAT THE DRIVE AISLES THROUGH THE PARKING LOT ARE SHOWN AT 24 FEET RIGHT NOW.
UH, CODE ALLOWS THEM TO BE AS NARROW AS 22 FEET.
UH, I KNOW THEIR PREFERENCE IS, UH, FOR THE WIDER DRIVE EYES, BUT IF, UH, WE CAN GAIN A LITTLE MORE SPACE BY REDUCING THOSE AND ASSUMING THAT STILL WORKS FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS AND SERVICES AND SO FORTH, UH, THAT WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE.
UH, SIMILARLY, ANYTHING, UH, WE'D, WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO STUDY, AGAIN, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE PARK AND THE IMPACT ON THE TREES ON THE SOUTH, AND ANY BUFFERING WE CAN GET ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, TO BUFFER THE CEMETERY AS WE GET INTO THE, UH, UH, BUILDING TYPES AND ARCHITECTURE.
UM, MENTIONED THAT THE, UH, BUILDING TYPE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS THE HISTORIC MIXED USE
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AND THE PARKING STRUCTURE BUILDING TYPE FOR OBVIOUSLY THE PARKING STRUCTURE.THE, THAT, THE HISTORIC MIXED USE BUILDING TYPE HAS A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF, UH, ONE AND A HALF STORIES AND A MAXIMUM OF TWO AND A HALF.
AND I SHOULD MENTION THAT THE HALF STORY IS INTENDED TO BE AND IS DEFINED AS BEING ENCLOSED WITHIN TYPICALLY A PITCHED TRUTH AND IS INTENDED TO BE HA HABITABLE.
AND SO IN THIS CASE, THE BUILDINGS AND OUR SLIDE FROM THE BOTTOM, BECAUSE THAT'S THE BRIDGE STREET FRONTAGE, THE BUILDINGS ALONG THE BRIDGE STREET FRONTAGE ARE ALL TWO STORIES.
SO THEY MEET THAT REQUIREMENT WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION BEING THE, UH, SMALLER COMPONENT AT THE CORNER OF, UH, BRIDGE IN MONTEREY ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE THE GARAGE IS.
AGAIN, THEY MEET THAT REQUIREMENT EXCEPT FOR THAT SAME BUILDING ON THE WEST SIDE OF MONTEREY, WHERE ALL THE BUILDINGS, UH, SURROUNDING THE SQUARE, UM, EVEN THOUGH THE HEIGHT OF THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE IS SIMILAR TO THE REST OF THEM, BUT THESE ARE TECHNICALLY ALL ONE STORY BUILDING WITH, UH, FAR SECOND FLOORS OR HIGH CEILINGS.
SO TECHNICALLY THOSE WOULD REQUIRE A WAIVER FROM THE HEIGHT LIMIT.
THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS THERE'S ALSO A MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM FLOOR HEIGHT.
SO FOR THE HISTORIC MIXED USE BUILDING TYPE, THE GRAND STORY MINIMUM IS 10 FEET, AND THE MAXIMUM IS 12.
AND THE UPPER STORY IS NINE AND 12.
UH, PRETTY MUCH ALMOST ALL OF THE BUILDINGS THEY'RE PROPOSING HAVE HIGHER FOUR STORY CEILINGS.
AND SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A WAIVER.
UH, AGAIN, THE 12 FEET WAS BASED ON THE CHARACTER AND SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO AS THESE CONTINUE TO EVOLVE, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE IS, UM, BEING, UM, ENHANCED HERE, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THIS IS A TRANSITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT IT'S TRANSITIONING FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO THE LARGER BUILDINGS.
UM, WE ALSO FEEL LIKE, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, ROOF TYPES, I THINK THEY'RE ATTEMPTING, UH, TO MEET ALL OF THE CODE STANDARDS IN TERMS OF THE VERTICAL DIVISIONS AND DIFFERENCES IN ROOF HEIGHTS.
UM, IN SOME CASES, IF YOU LOOK AT THE INTERNAL LAYOUT OF THE, UH, BUILDING AND THEN THE EXTERNAL EXPRESSION, IN SOME CASES IT MAY BE A LITTLE TOO BUSY.
AND SO WE FEEL THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THEM ON, UM, SIMPLIFYING SOME OF THE ROOF FORMS WHILE STILL, UH, ACCOMPLISHING THE INTENT AND THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN CHARACTER, UH, I WOULD MENTION FOR ESPECIALLY THE BUILDINGS ALONG THE BRIDGE STREET FRONTAGE, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE, UH, EXISTING EXAMPLES, AND THIS IS 150 FEET LONG, UM, THERE ARE SEPARATE ROOF FORMS HERE.
UH, IN THIS CASE IT'S ONE LARGE ROOF WITH, UH, UH, WITH SEVERAL, UH, GABLES AND IN SOME CASES HIP ROOFS, WHETHER IT GETS PERCEIVED THAT WAY OR NOT.
UM, UM, I'M NOT SURE, BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THE REFINEMENTS WE MIGHT, UM, WORK WITH THEM ON.
UH, AS THIS MOVES ALONG TO THE NEXT STAGE, THE, UH, THIS IS BUILDING, I'M GONNA JUST TOUCH ON A FEW BUILDINGS JUST TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
SO THIS IS BUILDING C WHERE, UH, WE MENTIONED THAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY BENEFIT FROM A PEDESTRIAN WAY TO BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE HOW IT'S ARTICULATED ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
SO THE, UH, UM, EAST SIDE FACES A CEMETERY AND, AND THERE IS A FEATURE AT THE CORNER.
UM, AGAIN, AS THE, UH, WE GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT BUILDING SECTIONS AND DETAILS, UH, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE IN TERMS OF HOW THE FLOOR, UH, LEVELS GET ARTICULATED IN TERMS OF THE HORIZONTAL BANDS ON, UH, THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE BUILDINGS AROUND THE SQUARE, UM, SEVERAL OF THOSE HAVE PARAPET ROOFS.
TECHNICALLY, THAT'S NOT A PERMITTED ROOF, UH, FORM IN THE HISTORIC MIXED USE BUILDING TYPE.
AND, UH, BUT THE CODE DOES ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO VARY FROM THAT IF, UH, IT'S DEEMED APPROPRIATE.
UH, WE DO THINK THAT THE INTRODUCTION OF THAT MIXTURE DOES HELP THE VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURE WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UH, UH, THERE ARE SOME OTHER BUILDING TYPES LIKE THE LOFT BUILDING TYPE AND THE CODE THAT DO ALLOW THE, UM, PARAPET ROOF, AND THEY ACTUALLY ALLOW THE HIGHER CEILINGS.
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AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE MAYBE MIXING THE, THE BUILDING TYPES AS THIS PROGRESSES.UM, BUT THAT WOULD COME WITH SOME, UM, DEVELOPMENT STANDARD DIFFERENT DIFFERENCES AS WELL.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT IF THAT'S THE, UH, INTENT.
THE CONCERN THAT WE DO HAVE, AND MR. POOL TOUCHED ON THAT, IS THE, UH, UH, HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS.
WE TOTALLY AGREE THAT, UH, THE STRUCTURE HEIGHT IS APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF FRAMING THAT SQUARE.
UH, THE CONCERN IS THE, UH, SECOND FLOOR THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF SPACE THAT'S, UH, EITHER, UM, AGAIN, HIGH CEILINGS OR, UM, UNUSED, AND ESPECIALLY IN SOME CASES WHERE THAT BACKS UP.
AND I'LL SHOW A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES WHERE IT RESULTS OF SOME ADDITIONAL BLANK SPACES OR AWKWARD SPACES.
AND SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER, UM, CREATING USABLE SPACE ON THOSE UPPER FLOORS, WHETHER THAT'S OCCUPIED IN THE NEAR FUTURE OR NOT, WHETHER THAT'S A POTENTIAL OFFICE, UM, OR, UM, EVEN SOME POTENTIAL, UM, LIMITED NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
UH, RESIDENTIAL WOULD ALLOW FOR, UM, SOME ICE ON THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN THE EVENING.
IT ALSO, THE PEAK HOURS FOR PARKING ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE COMMERCIAL USES.
SO WE DO THINK THAT THAT MIGHT HELP, BUT AT A MINIMUM, WE SUGGEST THAT THEY CONSIDER SOME SORT OF USE, EVEN IF IT'S, UH, A VANILLA BOX FOR, FOR NOW WITH POTENTIAL FUTURE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.
THE BUILDING E TWO IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
YOU CAN SEE THE VARIETY AND, AND NICE ARCHITECTURE AND, AND IT DOES STEP DOWN TO THE ONE STORY LEVEL AS YOU GO CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH, WHICH ALL MAKES SENSE.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT SOME OF THE SPACES ON THE WEST SIDE, INCLUDING THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, CREATE A LOT OF BLANK WALLS.
AND AT THIS POINT, THEIR, UH, PROPOSAL IS TO, UH, PUT IV ON THOSE WALLS TO BREAK THEM DOWN, WHICH, UH, THEY PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE THAT'S FROM EASTON, UH, WHICH LOOKS NICE.
BUT WE DO SUGGEST THAT ADDITIONAL ARTICULATION AND EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL WINDOWS OR TREATMENTS BE EXPLORED, UM, WITH THOSE BUILDINGS OR WITH THOSE FACADES.
AND THEN THIS ONE IS MOSTLY BUILDING F WHICH IS THE ONE, UM, UH, AT THE CORNER HERE.
UH, BUT THE IMAGE AT THE VERY BOTTOM IS A COMBINATION OF F AND E TWO, UH, TO SHOW THE, THE STREETSCAPE ALONG THE NEW EAST, WEST STREET.
AND AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT ONE IN TERMS OF THAT BEING A PUBLIC STREET AND, AND BEING BY THE PARK WITH THE, UH, LACK OF, UH, TRANSPARENCY THERE.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE VOLUME OF THE UPPER FLOORS HERE, UM, JUST BEING, UH, OVERPOWERING, REALIZING THAT'S BACK A LITTLE BIT.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING A A TRUE SECOND FLOOR MAY, UH, CREATE BETTER SPACES AT THAT LOCATION.
AND FINALLY, WITH THE, UH, BUILDINGS ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, THOSE OVERALL DO MAKE SENSE.
THE, UH, FEATURE WITH THE, UH, STAIRCASE AT THE CORNER IS A VERY CREATIVE WAY OF, UH, ADDRESSING THE ACCESS TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE GARAGE WHILE CREATING A FOCAL FEATURE.
THE, UH, COMBINATION OF THOSE THREE STRUCTURES, GH AND THE PARKING STRUCTURE COULD POTENTIALLY BE, UH, CONSIDERED ONE LOFT BUILDING IF THEY DECIDE TO GO THAT ROUTE.
AS WE, UH, MOVE ON, THE ONLY CONCERNS WE HAVE WHILE THE PARKING STRUCTURE IS VERY NICELY DESIGNED IS WHETHER IT, THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL ARTICULATION OR, UH, UH, SOMETHING THAT BREAKS IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE TO RELATE BETTER TO THE, UH, CEMETERY, KNOWING THAT WE STILL HAVE THE TREES AT THAT LOCATION AS WELL.
AND FINALLY, IN TERMS OF MATERIALS, THE, UH, UH, HISTORIC MIXED USE BUILDING TYPE, UM, AT LEAST IN THE CODE, UH, LESS BRICKSTONE AND WOOD SIDING AS THE PRIMARY MATERIALS.
AND THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THOSE THAT NEED TO BE USED.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE SOME ROOF TYPES THAT WERE LISTED AS THE, UH, ACCEPTABLE ROOF TYPES.
IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SOME ADDITIONAL MATERIALS.
UM, THOSE, UH, AS AGAIN, AS DETAILS, PROGRESS MAY VERY WELL BE APPROPRIATE, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, LOOK AT THOSE
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AND, AND WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON DEFINING WHAT'S PRIMARY AND WHAT'S SECONDARY AS THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.SO WITH THAT, WE BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, CRITERIA THERE ARE, UM, 16 OR 17 CRITERIA FOR REVIEW OF PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, ALL OF THEM ARE EITHER MET OR WOULD BE MET WITH SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE IN, IN WAIVERS 15 CRITERIA.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH 10 CONDITIONS, UM, BASICALLY THE ONES THAT WE WENT THROUGH.
SO I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL OF THOSE, BUT I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW.
SO COMMISSION AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU ALL TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND OR STAFF.
AND I WELCOME OUR COMMISSIONERS THAT WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LATE TONIGHT TO THE DISCUSSION.
SO I'M GOING TO START WITH MR. GARVIN TONIGHT.
I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATIONS, THESE ARE REALLY HELPFUL.
UM, I'LL START WITH ONE FOR STAFF.
YOU HAD MENTIONED AT ONE POINT SOME AREAS WERE TOO BUSY AND YOU MIGHT WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE 'EM LESS BUSY.
CAN YOU CLARIFY OR GIVE EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THOSE? I THINK SOME OF, AND, AND WHETHER THEY'RE TOO BIG, I THINK IT'S REALLY, UH, TRYING TO ARTICULATE HOW THE EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR WORK TOGETHER.
UH, IF YOU THINK FORWARD A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS, THEY, THEY'LL BE COMING BACK WITH A MASTER SIGN PLAN AT SOME POINT AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE SPACES AND ENTRANCES PRESENT THEMSELVES AS INDIVIDUAL ENTITIES AND INDIVIDUAL BUILDING.
AND NOT EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE AN INDIVIDUAL BUILDING, BUT HAVING SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE, UH, COHESIVE AND MAYBE FREEING IT UP A LITTLE BIT FROM MEETING THE RIGID REQUIREMENTS OF YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING EVERY 30 FEET TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
UM, A COUPLE FOR THE APPLICANT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO, UH, WHO WOULD LIKE TO REPRESENT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL GET INTO IN OUR DISCUSSION, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT.
I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PLAN, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS WHEN YOU REMOVED THE SOUTHERN STREET, THERE'S THE, THE ROAD THAT WAS CONNECTING TO THAT ON THE NORTH END, IF WE'VE GOT AN OVERHEAD SHOT, UH, AND NOW IT DEAD ENDS, UM, BY ONE OF THE TRASH FACILITIES AND UH, JUST SOUTH OF BUILDING C UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME TREATMENT THERE FOR THAT BORDER WITH THE CEMETERY.
'CAUSE IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE, OH, WE REMOVED THAT STREET AND THEN THAT JUST KINDA LEFT WHERE IT IS.
UM, AND THEN WHAT IS YOUR REACTION WHEN BESS MENTIONED THE ARTICULATED ROOFS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER EAST ON THOSE BUILDINGS, HOW THEY USE DIFFERENT ROOF TYPES, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE OR FEASIBLE IN YOUR OPINION? UM, SO, UH, WITH THE MOST RESPECT TO MR. BATAR, WHO'S BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH, UH, I DO THINK THAT THE, THE VARIATION IN ROOF TYPES IS, UH, A DETAIL THAT MAKES THIS PROJECT MORE INTERESTING.
AND THEN, UH, FOR THE CEMETERY FACING SIDE OF THE GARAGE, WAS THAT ONE OF THE AREAS THAT YOU HAD, UH, LINED OUT FOR IVY OR IDENTIFIED IVY? COULD BE.
SO THE NOT CURRENTLY, I SUPPOSE IT COULD, THE GARAGE IS GONNA BE MASONRY ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
THE, OUR GARAGE IN THE SHORT NORTH IS MASONRY ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
UM, THE GOAL WAS TO NOT MAKE IT, UH, FALL AWAY THE BACK OF THE RETAIL SPACES ON THE LEFTMOST SIDE OF THE PAGE WERE, WERE MEANT TO BE THE IVY.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR QUESTIONS.
MR. ER, DO YOU WANT A SECOND TO KIND OF COLLECT YOUR THOUGHTS OR ARE YOU READY TO DIVE INTO I COULD GO, BUT I THINK I'LL WAIT TILL THE END AND THEN I HAVE A LIST, BUT I'LL, I'LL WAIT.
GARY, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, IT'S EVIDENT THERE'S, WAS IT INTENTIONAL TO TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO DESIGNING THE ELEVATIONS ON BRIDGE STREET COMPARED TO WHETHER ON MONTEREY DRIVE? YES.
BECAUSE ON MONTEREY DRIVE, AND AS YOU MOVE FURTHER BACK IN THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE ALMOST, THE BUILDINGS ARE ALMOST IDENT IDENTIFIABLE HISTORICAL BUILDING TYPES
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ON MONTEREY.WE WANTED UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT THEY DON'T APPEAR ON BRIDGE STREET AS IDENTIFIABLE BUILDING TYPES, IDENTIFIABLE HISTORICAL BUILDING TYPES.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, THERE'S A CLEAR DIFFERENCE.
AND I'M ASKING WAS THAT INTENTIONAL OR JUST, SORRY, WHEN WE SAY IDENTIFY IDENTIFIABLE BUILDING TYPES, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IDENT? THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS.
CODE LANGUAGE, THESE, THESE GO ALONG WITH, UM, MR. PETA'S COMMENTS.
THE ON MONTEREY DRIVE, THEY'RE IDENT IDENTIFIABLE HISTORICAL BUILDING TYPES, EARLY 19TH, 20TH CENTURY COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
THERE'S ALSO AN AMOUNT OF SURFACE DOMINATES ON THOSE BUILDINGS AS WELL.
SO YOU'RE CREATING A STREET WALL BECAUSE OF THE CONTINUITY OF SURFACE OR IDENTIFIABLE BUILDING TYPES, HOWEVER, AND HIS COMMENT ABOUT THE ARTICULATION OVER ARTICULATION IS ALL ABOUT THAT.
AND SO I'M, I'M WONDERING WAS IT INTENTIONAL OR WERE THERE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE WORKING? BECAUSE THOSE TWO CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE EVIDENT ON MONTEREY DRIVE AND THAT RELATE TO OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT DON'T SEEM TO BE PRESENT ON BRIDGE STREET.
YEAH, SO THAT WAS A PURPOSEFUL DISCUSSION.
UM, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH SO MANY TIMES.
WE WANTED TO CREATE SOME VARIATION BETWEEN CREATING SOMETHING NEW AND FRESH AND THIS WHITE THEME WITH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS, UH, ALONG, UH, BRIDGE STREET WHILE HAVING MONTEREY BE THIS MORE HISTORIC, UH, UH, UH, EXPRESSION AS WELL.
SO I, I THINK THAT THE PITCHED ROOFS, THE, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO DO A HISTORIC ROOF MATERIAL ON THAT SECTION.
I THINK IT WILL KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE BUT NOT BE NECESSARILY THE SAME.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS RED BRICK CHICAGO IN THE BACK VERSUS SOMETHING WHITE AND MORE CALIFORNIA IN THE FRONT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S HISTORIC, CALIFORNIA'S A STYLE, BUT IT WAS KIND OF THE GOAL.
THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF, OF BUILDING F UM, ARE YOU, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN CREATING CONTINUITY AROUND THE BUILDINGS? SO, 'CAUSE SOME OF THEM, AS YOU TURN THE CORNER, THERE ARE SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS THAT WE SEE ON ONE SIDE AND THE OTHER, BUT THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT LIKE THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF BUILDING F THERE ARE, THERE'S A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF FENESTRATION THERE THAT'S ON OTHER PARTS OF THE BUILDING ARE, IS IT A GOAL TO TRY TO MAKE THREE AND FOUR SIGHTED ARCHITECTURE WHERE THERE THINGS TIE TOGETHER? WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS TO INSTALL THESE BEAUTIFUL GLASS WINDOWS.
AND YOU SEE THIS IN SOUTH CONGRESS IN AUSTIN AND 12 SOUTH OF NASHVILLE WHERE THESE BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENTS GO IN AND THEN THEIR WINDOWS GO ON THE BACK WHERE NEAR THE PARKING IS, AND THEN THEY'RE JUST COVERED BECAUSE IT'S BACK OF HOUSE FOR THE RETAILER.
SO I'D RATHER HAVE A BUILDING MATERIAL THERE, UM, THAT CAN SAY SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO SOME, YOU KNOW, BLACK, UH, WINDOW COVERING.
IF A RETAILER WANTED TO DO A, UM, OR INSTALLING A BIG HEADER THERE TO CARRY WINDOWS, IF A RETAILER WANTED TO HAVE WINDOWS IN THE BACK OF HOUSE WITH A REAL CUSTOMER FACING DOOR, UH, WE, WE WOULD WELCOME IT.
THE, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS.
DID YOU CONSIDER OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR DEALING WITH THE FLAT SURFACES, OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO IVY AS A WAY TO BREAK THEM UP? WE'VE CONSIDERED OTHER SURFACES, BUT WE'RE, UH, IN THE FIRST INNING.
WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY SOME, SOME OTHER WAYS TO, TO TREAT IT.
UH, IF THE COMMISSION HAS ANY IDEAS, I WOULD BE WELCOME.
THOSE ARE MY ONLY INITIAL QUESTIONS, SO THANK YOU.
UM, A COUPLE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
IS IT WOOD SHINGLES THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING AND ARE THOSE ANY SHINGLES THAT WE'VE BEEN REPLACING AROUND THE CITY? IT JUST SEEMED LIKE WHEN I LOOKED AT THOSE, IT LOOKED SIMILAR TO YEAH.
AND THERE, THERE ARE WOOD SHINGLES THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.
TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE HAVE NOT GOT IT TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL IN TERMS OF STUDYING WHERE THOSE WERE.
I BELIEVE MR. POOL MENTIONED THE BUILDING H THAT THERE'S AN INTENT TO USE WOOD SHINGLES THERE.
AND YES, WE HAVE SOME OTHER PLACES WHERE WE DO HAVE WOOD SHINGLES THAT PEOPLE NOW WANT TO REPLACE 'EM WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
BUT, UH, IT'S HISTORICALLY BEEN USED.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT, I'M THINKING ABOUT, UM, SOMEONE COMING DOWN, UH, BRIDGE STREET, UH, FROM 33 AND THEN IT'S A NEW WAY OF PARKING.
NOW YOU HAVE CARS ALONG THE SIDE, AT LEAST TO ONE SIDE.
IS THAT A LEARNING CURVE FOR THE COMMUNITY OR, UM, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE OFF TO A BIT, BUT JUST, YEAH, SO THAT'S THE, OBVIOUSLY THE PLANS SHOW ON STREET PARKING ON BRIDGE STREET, THAT'S PART
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OF WHAT WE WILL BE STUDYING.SO IF THE DECISION, ONCE WE CONCLUDE THE STUDY IS THAT THERE WILL BE ON STREET PARKING, UH, THAT WILL BE CAREFULLY VETTED AT THAT TIME.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE CUES THAN JUST IN FRONT OF THIS BLOCK THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL STREETSCAPE ELEMENTS TO GIVE YOU.
BUT YES, ABSOLUTELY ANYTIME THERE'S A CHANGE, THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF A LEARNING CURVE.
AND ON THAT NOTE TOO, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT PARKING.
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT IN TYPE PARKING ALONG THE, ALONG THE SIDES.
AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU CAN GET MORE CARS IN THAT WAY INSTEAD OF JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, OTHER TYPICAL WAYS WE'VE SEEN TO HAVE DONE IT.
IS THAT BECAUSE WE NEED MORE PARKING OR IS IT BECAUSE UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE OPEN TO MORE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF PARKING IN? YEAH, THANK YOU SIR.
YOU YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONES ALONG THE INTERNAL DRIVES YEAH.
YEAH, I, I BELIEVE THAT'S, UH, IN THAT CASE, THAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY OF ACCOMMODATING THE LARGEST NUMBER OF PARKING WITH THAT, UH, GRAY.
BECAUSE IF YOU GO WITH PARALLEL PARKING, OBVIOUSLY THAT CHANGES IT QUITE DRASTICALLY.
AND IF YOU GO WITH DIAGONAL PARKING, THEN YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH SAYING IT HAS TO BE A ONE WAY SYSTEM.
SO THEN I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT, UM, UH, BRIDGE STREET AS WELL TOO, AND NEAR THE CEMETERY, THAT WHOLE SIDEWALK PROBABLY WOULD NEED, UM, TO BE LOOKED AT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UM, OPEN AT THAT POINT SINCE YOU'RE WORKING UP THE ROAD A BIT? THAT, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY PART OF THE STUDY IS TO, UM, AND WE, WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WAY BACK WHEN WE HAD A PREVIOUS PROPOSAL BY A PREVIOUS DEVELOPER THAT THE CONNECTIVITY IN FRONT OF THE CEMETERY WAS NOT THE GREATEST THERE.
AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND THAT'S CERTAINLY BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
AND THE, THE GOAL IS TO CREATE, ENHANCE THAT WELL THAT ALSO BE STUDIED IF YOU WILL BE LIKE ON THIS END, PUTTING IN LIKE PLANTERS OR THE DIFFERENT FLAGS WE HAVE TO A CONTINUATION OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I THINK THINK THE WHOLE STREETS SCAPE WOULD BE PART OF THAT STUDY WHETHER WE GET TO THAT LEVEL, BUT AT LEAST IT WOULD SET THE STAGE TO, TO DO THAT.
AND WE'LL BE INVOLVING A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE ROOM THIS EVENING AS WELL.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE STAIRWAY GOING UP.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET UP THERE? UH, IS IT A OPEN, IS IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR IS IT SOME LITTLE SEATING THAT THE PUBLIC COULD SIT UP THERE OR WOULD THAT BE PART OF THE RESTAURANT? I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
UM, IT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IT, IT'S THE KIND OF BEST PATHWAY TO GET UP TO THE GR THE SECOND LEVEL OF THE GARAGE.
BUT THERE'S ALSO A DOOR TO THAT SECOND FLOOR OFFICE SPACE.
UM, SO SOMEBODY COULD HAVE THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE THERE, OR, OR NOT, BUT THEY COULD WALK OUT OF THERE AND WALK DOWN TO GRAB A SANDWICH THAT'S WORKING UPSTAIRS.
SO, UM, IT WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE.
SO THAT LANDING, IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG LANDING.
IT'S WHY IT DIDN'T EVEN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A EITHER A HALLWAY OR A LANDING THAT TAKES YOU KIND OF, UH, UNCOVERED LANDING THAT TAKES YOU FROM THE TOP OF THE STAIRS TO THE GARAGE.
AND THEN, UM, THANK YOU FOR, UH, REACHING OUT TO NEIGHBORS AND I'M SURE YOU'LL CONTINUE DOING THAT.
HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE NEAR THERE, KROGER'S AND ALL THE, THE JEWELRY STORE AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT, THAT ARE IN THAT AREA? JUST WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND YEAH, WE, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT QUITE YET.
WE'RE TRYING TO, I THINK A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, GETTING THROUGH THIS STAGE WOULD BE A, A GREAT STEP TO DO THAT.
AND THEN, UM, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
UM, UH, IF IT BECOMES PHASES, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT? OR, UH, DID I READ THAT DIFFERENTLY? OKAY.
NO, WE'RE, WE ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO DELIVER EVERY BUILDING AT ONCE, JUST IN THE RETAIL WORLD, YOU NEED TO HAVE A, A GRAND OPENING.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
AND THEN, UM, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.
UH, OBVIOUSLY, UM, A LOT OF DETAIL IN BOTH PRESENTATION, WHICH MAKES IT VERY HELPFUL FOR US.
UM, I THINK THE FOLLOW UP ON A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
SO WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE, THE STUDY OF 1 61 AND, AND, UH, BRIDGE STREET.
WHAT, WHAT, I GUESS THE CONCERN WOULD BE THE TIMING, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE CREATING, WE'RE PUTTING THIS, I'LL CALL IT AN ISLAND FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS OF A VERY PEDESTRIAN, EAGER, UH, COMMUNITY AREA.
AND WITHOUT GREAT ACCESS FROM 1 61, ARE WE CREATING A ISSUE? BECAUSE THERE IT ISN'T VERY SAFE WALKING DOWN, YOU KNOW, ON THE, UM, BY THE, UH, THE CEMETERY AND GETTING TO THE SITE.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S REALISTIC TO EXPECT AS WE LOOK AT APPROVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITH A TIMING OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS? AND I'LL ANSWER.
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NEED SOME ASSISTANCE FROM MY, UH, COLLEAGUES FROM TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY.UH, I BELIEVE THE STUDY ITSELF WILL BE, UH, THE, THE TIMING WILL BE PERFECT IN TERMS OF THE STUDY ITSELF, IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION.
ONCE THE STUDY IS COMPLETED, UH, THAT MAY LAG BEHIND.
BUT, UH, IF YOU WANNA, YEAH, I, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ALL VALID AND WE DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP EVERYTHING COORDINATED AND PHASED, UM, UH, TO BOTH OF YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE STUDY ALONG THE CORRIDOR AND THE, UM, INTEGRATION OF THIS SITE.
UM, SORRY, I DIDN'T SAY MY NAME.
TINA WASKOWITZ TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY.
AND I ALSO HAVE ONE OF OUR, UH, ENGINEERS ON OUR STAFF HERE WITH ME TODAY.
MS. WASCO, WHILE YOU'RE UP, UM, ABOUT THE STUDY FOR BRIDGE STREET, IS IT INTENDED THAT A MULTI-USE PATH BE PART OF THAT ENVIRONMENT IN THE FUTURE? YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO SUPPORT ALL MODES OF TRANSPORTATION ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
THERE ARE SPACES WHERE THEY'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PINCH POINTS.
THE, UM, CEMETERIES ONE OF THOSE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT REALLY CAREFULLY, BUT OBVIOUSLY WANNA WELCOME TRANSIT TO THAT CORRIDOR, BICYCLES, PEDESTRIANS, MICRO MOBILITY, UM, IN ADDITION TO, TO VEHICLES.
AND NOT JUST MAKE IT VEHICLE DOMINATED, BUT THE, THE APPLICATION, THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY HAVE FOR BRIDGE STREET, WOULD THAT ACCOMMODATE A MULTI-USE PATH OR DO YOU, DO WE NEED MORE WIDTH THAN THAT? THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WITH THIS STUDY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN FIT ALL OF THOSE AMENITIES IN AND MAKE THIS A REALLY NICE WALKABLE, UM, AREA.
BECAUSE THE ON STREETE PARKING IS TAKING UP SPACE TOO.
SO YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS COMING TOGETHER TO FIT IN THAT SPACE.
AND, AND WE, I THINK WE WERE SAYING JUST ON THE EARLIER COMMENT, WE WOULDN'T MAKE IT AN ISLAND.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD CREATE THAT CORRIDOR MORE HOLISTICALLY.
BUT WILL THE APPLICANT HAVE ENOUGH GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY TO WHAT THEY, HOW MUCH SETBACK THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE OR, OR SPACE TO PROVIDE FOR THOSE ACTIVITIES? YES.
AND I, THE TIMING OBVIOUSLY IS CRITICAL THERE.
UM, SO A COUPLE DE OTHER DETAILED QUESTIONS.
SO SOME OF THE, JUST TO CONFIRM, AND I JUST WANNA, I'M BE CRYSTAL CLEAR.
SO THE BUFFER, THE SOUTH BUFFER THAT IS EX WITH THE TREES, SOME PLANTS, IT'S SHOWN WITH THE TREES IN SOME POINT, IT'S NOT THAT THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN, THE TREES ARE GOING TO REMAIN ALONG THE CEMETERY AND AS MUCH OF THAT THAT'S EXISTING TODAY WILL STAY THERE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THAT, CORRECT? YEAH, I, I BELIEVE SOME ARE.
I DIDN'T INCLUDE, UH, EVERYTHING HERE, BUT IN THE, UH, DOCUMENTS THAT YOU RECEIVE, UH, THERE IS A TREE PRESERVATION PLAN THAT SHOWS SOME TREES THERE BEING REMOVED.
AND SO THERE WILL BE A COMBINATION, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER THAT COULD BE SAVED.
AND CERTAINLY ANYTHING THAT'S BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, ANYTHING ON THE CITY PROPERTY OR ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE WEST, WE ARE SEEING THOSE.
'CAUSE THAT, THAT, THAT GOES A LONG WAY WITH I THINK ADDRESSING A LOT OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE, THAT ELEVATION, UM, OF THE, OF THE GARAGE.
'CAUSE IT IS GONNA BE, LOOK MA
UM, AND THEN ANOTHER KIND OF A DETAILED QUESTION ALONG THE LINES OF SOME OF THE, THE QUESTION I ALREADY ASKED IN THE DOCUMENTATION.
YOU, YOU BROUGHT UP, UM, MANSARD ROOFS, MANFORD ROOFS FOR INSTANCE.
IS THAT, CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE MORE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE ON THAT? ARE YOU, ARE WE, ARE YOU, I GUESS WE'RE STAFF, UH, COMING FROM ON THOSE? LET ME, I THINK IT'S BUILDING.
THIS THING IS MOVING YOUR FINE SLOWLY.
ALRIGHT, SO WE, WE WERE SIMPLY POINTING AT THE PROVISION IN THE CODE, NOT NECESSARILY, UH, SAYING WHETHER A WAIVER WOULD BE, UH, WARRANTED OR NOT, BUT THE CODE TALKS ABOUT, UH, BUILDINGS WITH A MANSOR ROOF, UH, THAT ARE TYPICALLY NOT PERMITTED FOR THE HISTORIC EXCUSE BUILDING TYPE, BUT WHERE THEY ARE APPROPRIATE, IT TALKS ABOUT DORMERS BEING INCORPORATED WHEN, UH, IT FACES A STREET.
AND SO IT WAS JUST LISTING THAT AS A POTENTIAL WAIVER OR POTENTIAL, UM, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OR POTENTIAL CHANGE.
SO WE WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AT THIS STAGE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GIMME YOUR OPINION
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
UM, THEN A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO, UM, WHEN WE LOOK, IF YOU CAN CALL UP, DO YOU MIND COMP UP THE SITE PLAN OR ONE OF THE SITE PLANS? I, IT, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS KIND OF ALREADY CAME UP ON THIS TOO, BUT PARTICULARLY TO BUILDING A AND B, UM, AND, AND THE MIX.
I, I RECOGNIZE THE CHALLENGE, CHALLENGES, THE, THE MIX OF, UM, AUTOMOTIVE TRAFFIC AND
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PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IS YOUR VISION FOR THOSE BUILDINGS.AND EVEN I, I, I KINDA GET THE OTHER BUILDINGS TOO, BUT, UM, ARE THOSE ACCESSED FROM BRIDGE STREET OR FROM THE PARKING LOT OR BOTH WHEN PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I GUESS IN GENERAL TOO, CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT YOUR VISION FOR HOW, HOW THESE, HOW WE'RE ACCESSING THESE BUILDINGS, WE PARK BEHIND THEM AND THEN WE WALK THROUGH THESE, UM, ALLEYWAYS TO GET TO THE FRONT? OR ARE THEY GONNA BE ACCESSED FROM BOTH FRONT AND BACK OR, UH, DO YOU HAVE A, I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW, BUT JUST WHAT'S YOUR KIND OF VISION FOR THAT? WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE TENANTS ARCHITECT, UH, A POTENTIAL TENANTS ARCHITECT, UH, ABOUT THIS.
SINCE WE WANT TWO REAL ENTRANCES, WE WANT TO CREATE AN ACTIVE BRIDGE STREET.
NOT, THERE'S MANY PROJECTS YOU SEE THAT ARE RETAIL THAT HAVE THIS FALSE FRONT WHERE THERE'S KIND OF COVERINGS ON THE GLASS.
WE, WE WANT AN ACTIVE BRIDGE STREET, BUT WE ALSO WANT CONVENIENCE TO PARKING.
UH, UH, PLENTY OF OUR BUILDINGS IN THE SHORT NORTH HAVE THIS REAR ENTRANCE WITH REAR PARKING AND IT'S, IT CAN BE DONE.
IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE MORE EFFORT.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE, THE APPRECIATE THE BREAKDOWN OF SQUARE FOOTAGE BETWEEN RETAIL AND AND RESTAURANT, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY HE, THIS IS HEAVILY, HEAVILY WEIGHTED RETAIL.
UM, AGAIN, YOUR OPINION AND FORECASTING, WE, WE HEAR A LOT OF OTHER APPLICANTS THAT COME UP HERE AND SAY IT'S CRAZY TO DO RETAIL BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT PROFITABLE
UM, WITH THIS BEING SO HEAVILY WEIGHED ON RETAIL, I GUESS, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON THAT OR REACTION TO THAT? THAT, IS IT A, IS IT, DO YOU SEE IT AS A RISK BECAUSE WITH THE WAY THE RETAIL LANDSCAPE IS TODAY AND IT, SORRY, ONE MORE
THERE'S BEEN NO NEW SHOPPING REALLY BUILT IN A BIG WAY IN OVER 30 YEARS.
UM, WE THINK THAT THERE'S A, A GREAT RETAIL, UH, ESTABLISHMENT ON THE EAST SIDE OF COLUMBUS THAT HAS KIND OF SUCKED EVERYTHING UP.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE GREAT AT WHAT THEY DO.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE BEST.
BUT, UH, I THINK THAT THE WEST SIDE OF THREE 15 NEEDS TO BE SERVED WITH RETAIL AND SOMETHING NEW, UM, IN A WAY THAT I THINK BRIDGE PARK WAS SUCH A SUCCESS.
WE WOULD NOT BE DOING THIS PROJECT WITHOUT BRIDGE PARK, BUT IT'S 95%, UM, RESTAURANT, RIGHT? SO WE THINK THAT THESE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WAS SO SCARED ABOUT THE INTERNET AND AMAZON FOR SO LONG THAT NO RETAIL'S BEEN DEVELOPED.
SO THE SUPPLY IS JUST MINIMAL.
AND I, I THINK THAT WE'VE ALWAYS KIND OF ACTED CONTRARIAN IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY PROJECT WE'VE EVER DONE KIND OF SETS NEW, NEW RENT RECORDS BECAUSE DEVELOPERS ARE LIKE, HOW DO YOU MAKE MONEY ON THAT? WE'RE NEVER GONNA SELL IT.
WE'RE GONNA OVERINVEST IT INTO IT ON THE FRONT END AND WE'RE GONNA MANAGE THE HELL OUT OF IT.
SO I, I THINK WE CAN KIND OF CONTROL OUR OWN RESULTS IN THAT WAY TOO.
BUT WOULD IT BE, IT WOULD BE AN OPTION THOUGH, TO CONVERT SOME TO RESTAURANT IF YOU GET IN A OF COURSE.
I, I THINK IT WOULD BE AN OPTION AND OUR PERCENTAGES ARE, UH, FLEXIBLE SURE.
BUT, UM, YEAH, WE, WE DON'T INTEND ON THIS TO BE BRIDGE PARK PART TWO.
I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE AN OVERS SATURATION OF THE MARKET.
AND THEN ONE LAST QUESTION AROUND THAT IS ARE, ARE YOU LIMITING HOURS BASED ON, I'M SURE YOU'VE GOTTEN SOME COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ABOUT, UH, I GUESS BARS BEING OPEN TILL MIDNIGHT, TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, OR ARE THERE LIMITED HOURS HERE? HAVE YOU GOT THAT FAR YET? IT, THAT'S PART, UH, YES, WE'VE TALKED WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, PART OF THE, UH, WE WRITE IN ALL OF OUR SHORT NORTH LEASES THAT YOU CAN'T BE OVER O UH, OPEN PAST 11 OR MIDNIGHT.
AND WE HAVE ONE ESTABLISHMENT THAT IS, BUT IT'S A HUNDRED FEET UP IN THE AIR.
UM, AND THAT YOUR FOOD TO BEVERAGE, UH, FOOD TO ALCOHOL SALES HAS, HAS TO BE 50% OF OR LESS OF YOUR TOTAL SALES.
SO I, I SAY THAT BECAUSE PART OF THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS PROJECT IS TO BE OUR OWN NEIGHBOR.
IF THAT'S SOME BAD NEIGHBORS IN THE NIG IN THE SHORT NORTH, THAT WILL COME IN AND LEASE TO THE HIGHEST RENT GETTER AND IT'S, UH, A BAD BAR.
SO, UM, WE ARE NOT IN THE BAR BUSINESS, I CAN ASSURE YOU.
UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, WHERE WE HAVE PARK-LIKE USES SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE INTERFACE IS APPROPRIATE.
UH, AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE TREE PLAN AND IT'S HARD TO TELL BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF XS AND A LOT OF CIRCLES AND I CAN'T TELL WHAT'S SURVIVING AND WHAT'S NOT
SO JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE OR ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? YEAH, WELL, THE SOUTH ON BOTH SIDES OF MONTEREY.
SO THE ONE THAT'S GONNA BE A NEW STREET AND THEN ACROSS THAT STREET IS A PARK, AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE IS GONNA BE, WE ASSUME IT'LL BE A CEMETERY? YES.
UM, SO ON THE SOUTH SIDE WE HAVE OUR, OUR SETBACK.
UM, UH, I WOULD NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW BIG THAT IS.
IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHAT'S REALLY THERE BECAUSE IT IS A MOUNTAIN OF INVASIVE HONEYSUCKLE THAT, UM, YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL WHAT'S THERE.
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THINK THAT THE SOUTH AND THE WEST SIDE ARE SUCH THAT, UM, I WOULD ASK THAT THE, THIS COMMISSION LOOK AT A TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES HERE, UM, OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.AND PART OF THAT IS WE'RE LEAVING 18 FEET ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE TREES DON'T GO ANYWHERE.
UM, WE ARE PLANTING DOZENS OF NEW TREES.
WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A NEW GREEN SPACE IN THE CENTER OF THIS PROJECT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, UH, KIND OF HAVING GREENERY IN THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND THEN ON THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE, UM, THERE'S A SENSITIVITY TOWARDS THE, UM, THE WEST SIDES, UH, THE TWO PROPERTIES THERE WITH TREES OFF THE SITE.
UM, THOSE ARE EITHER, BOTH ZONED IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, A HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD LIKELY BE REDEVELOPED.
ONE IS TRYING TO BE REDEVELOPED RIGHT NOW, AND THE OTHER SITE IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT WHEN IT IS SOLD OR ATTEMPTED TO BE REDEVELOPED, THERE WILL BE A BIG ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.
AND SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HATE TO HAVE A LARGE SETBACK SUCH THAT IT'S GONNA BE THERE FOREVER, EVEN WHEN THOSE PROPERTIES ARE REDEVELOPED.
AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, WHY IS THERE THIS, YOU KNOW, SIX AND A HALF OR 10 FOOT SETBACK HERE? THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT WE KIND OF THINK ABOUT WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA FEEL ABOUT THIS IN 20 YEARS? AND I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO THINK THAT A TIGHT SETBACK THERE WOULDN'T BE THE BEST THING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP THE TREES THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN YOUR RENDERINGS OF THE PLAZA, THE LARGE PLAZA ARE GORGEOUS WITH MATURE TREES MM-HMM
WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S FIRST STARTS? SO, UM, IT IS A RENDERING.
I JUST WANNA KNOW, UM, WE ARE HAVING OUR, UM, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ABOUT REACHING OUT TO NURSERIES NOW SO THAT WE CAN GET A MORE MATURE TREE.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO BUDGET AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO GET, UH, THE, THE BIGGEST TREES POSSIBLE.
WE CAN'T, NOBODY WANTS YOU GO TO A DEVELOPMENT AND THERE ARE THESE THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE TWIGS.
UM, THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT.
UM, OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO PLANT SOMETHING BIG AND SUBSTANTIAL QUICKLY.
UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE TREES WILL NOT BE, UH, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE THINKING ALONG WELL, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT AND THERE ARE DOLLARS GONNA BE DEVOTED TO IT.
UM, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, NO, THAT'S, OH, THE, TO IF I COULD EXPAND ON GARY'S QUESTION ABOUT THE BRIDGE STREET VISION.
I'M A LITTLE PERTURBED BY THE MORE MODERN LOOK OF IT NEXT TO THE CHURCH AND THE MORE HISTORIC BUILDINGS FURTHER EAST.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE TRANSITIONING FROM THOSE TO THIS MORE MODERN CALIFORNIA? LOOK, YOU SAID WE'RE IN OHIO
UM, WE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A, A GOOD WAY TO TRANSITION, UH, THE PROJECT TO KIND OF CREATE KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A BLINKING NEON SIGN, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU THAT SOMETHING NEW IS HERE, SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AND IT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT BEEN BUILT IN CENTRAL OHIO BEFORE.
AND THEN ONCE YOU'RE IN THE SQUARE, THERE'S THIS HISTORIC FEELING THERE.
UM, AND JUST THE WORRY IS IT CREATES A LOT OF COLOR MONOTONY, UM, WHEN THERE'S LIKE NINE BUILDINGS WITH THAT.
UM, AND I THINK THE, THE, THE WHITE ADDS A FRESHNESS AND THERE'S A LOT OF RICH MATERIALS ON IT WITH A, YOU KNOW, RICH PITCH ROOF.
UM, I, I WISH WE WOULD'VE INCLUDED SOME, SOME IMAGES OF PALISADES VILLAGE, WHICH IS IN CALIFORNIA, BUT IT IS A, UM, UH, HISTORIC LOOKING PROJECT INSIDE.
BUT, UM, WE, WE FEEL THAT IT'S A STRONG PATH FORWARD AND WE LIKE THE IDEA OF BALCONIES WITH THIS RESIDENTIAL LOOK UPSTAIRS THAT I, I THINK THIS WORKS.
UM, BUT I'D BE EAGER TO HEAR FEEDBACK.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, JAMIE DID A GOOD JOB.
I HAD LIKE A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT FOCUSED ON THOSE, THOSE COMPONENTS.
I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM BECAUSE I, I ASKED A COUPLE OF THOSE LAST TIME, BUT, UH, IN, THIS IS GONNA SOUND SUPREMELY IGNORANT 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, ARE, IS THERE ANY WAY FROM THE TREE STUDY, THIS IS FOLLOWING UP ON HILLARY'S QUESTIONS, CAN WE REPURPOSE IN ANY FORM OR FASHION SOME OF THE TREES THAT ARE CLOSE FROM WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, THE ROOT BASE EXTENDS THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, PRESERVE THOSE IN SOME MANNER TO BE ABLE TO BE REPURPOSED? IT? IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
WE HAVEN'T LOOKED TOO FAR INTO IT.
UM, I, I, I WOULD LOVE IT IF IT WAS POSSIBLE, BUT JUST FROM THE STORIES THAT I'VE HEARD, IT'S, IT'S VERY MUCH A, AN VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY LESS THAN 50 50.
SO, UH, WE WOULD NEED TO DO MORE INVESTIGATION, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.
THE, UH, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE WERE HERE BEFORE, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
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MIXED USE IS GREAT.AND I KNOW THAT WAS BROUGHT UP POTENTIALLY ABOUT SOME POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL LOFTS, BE IT CONDOS OR APARTMENTS.
DID YOU LOOK INTO DOING ANY OF THOSE AND I'M REALLY PRIMARILY TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE SECOND FLOOR OF, OF G AND HF IN THOSE BACK PORTIONS.
WAS, WAS THAT EVALUATED DOING THOSE RESIDENTIALLY? YEAH.
NOT THE WHOLE BUILDING, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT JUST INSTEAD OF MAYBE THE OFFICE UP TOP OR THE, UH, THE FA SECOND FLOOR, JUST SOME, YOU KNOW, ONE UNIT TYPE OF STUDIO COMPONENT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, WE HAVEN'T REALLY INVESTIGATED IT JUST IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE'VE SAID WE WON'T DO RESIDENTIAL AND WE WANT TO TRY TO STICK TO THAT.
UM, AND THEN KIND OF, I THINK RESIDENTIAL'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE RETAIL IN THAT YOU WANNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CRITICAL MASS BEING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY GOTTA BE, YOU KNOW, I, I'M GUESSING 15 TO 25 UNITS THAT WOULD WANNA BE ON THE SQUARE.
AND IT'S HARD TO DO A ONE-OFF ON THAT.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING, WE WOULD WANNA DO SOMETHING VERY NICE.
SO THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE KIND OF PRIVATE ATTACHED PARKING AND THAT CHOOSE INTO A LOT OF RETAIL SPACE AND, UM, IT CAN SNOWBALL REALLY QUICK.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST CURIOUS ON THAT PIECE.
UH, GOING, GOING TO THE PARKING, UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND I MAY HAVE MISSED THEM.
SO IF THIS WAS PRESENTED ON YOU CAN APOLOGIES FOR BEING LATE, JUST TELL ME IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AND I CAN, I CAN MOVE ON.
THIS WILL KIND OF BE FOR BOTH BASSAM ON THE, THE PARKING PIECE.
I KNOW IN THE STAFF REPORT IT INDICATED, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS POTENTIALLY A SHORTFALL BASED ON SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS, I GUESS THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED.
THERE'S COMFORTABILITY WITH, UH, FROM THE MOBILITY PIECE AND THE, THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND THE WALKABILITY THAT WE'RE SATISFIED WITH THE PARKING AS CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED.
AT, AT THIS, AT THIS STAGE, UH, THAT'S OUR BELIEF.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A PARKING PLAN THAT WOULD DOCUMENT HOW THE SHARED PARKING AND THE MIXTURE OF USES AND THE PEAK HOURS AND SO FORTH.
BASED ON A PRELIMINARY LOOK AT IT, THE NUMBERS THAT, UH, ARE BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGES THAT THEY PROVIDED AND THE CODE ALLOWANCES FOR, UH, THOSE EXEMPTIONS, UM, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THEY HAVE A HANDFUL MORE THAN WHAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE.
AND I DID LIKE, UH, THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, THE PEAK HOURS, I THINK THAT THE STUDY THAT WAS PRESENTED, I, THAT WAS SUPER HELPFUL.
WAS THERE ANY TYPE OF DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME KIND OF, UH, WITH THE PARKING GARAGE, LIKE AN UNDERGROUND COMPONENT THAT WOULD BE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE SHOP OWNERS OR THE EMPLOYEES OF SOME OF THE, THE RETAIL AND, UH, RESTAURANT SPACE TO TRY TO SEPARATE THEM FROM THE PATRONS? UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO DO UNDERGROUND PARKING.
I DON'T, I, I DOUBT ANYBODY HAS DONE MORE UNDERGROUND PARKING THAN US, BUT THOSE COSTS ARE LIKELY OVER 50,000 OF SPACE AT THIS POINT.
IT JUST GETS VERY EXPENSIVE, VERY QUICK.
UM, BUT IT WAS CONSIDERED AND KIND OF PUT AWAY.
ON THAT ISSUE, KINDA THAT SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION, HOW DO YOU FORESEE SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES, LIKE, IS IS THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY'RE GONNA USE THE GARAGE WITH THE, THE SURFACE AREA TO BE USED FOR THE, THE PATRON PARKING? YEAH.
UM, I, I'VE JUST SPOKE WITH A, A POTENTIAL TENANT ON THIS.
UM, THE GOAL WOULD BE FOR THEM TO BE IN THE TOP FLOOR OF THE GARAGE, KIND OF, YOU WANT THE EMPLOYEES TO TAKE THE LEAST COMPETITIVE SPACE POSSIBLE, RIGHT? UH, I'M NOT GONNA STAND HERE AND TELL YOU IN PRACTICE MIGHT CONTROLLING RESTAURANT EMPLOYEES IS THE EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD 'CAUSE IT'S NOT.
BUT UM, THAT'S WHAT WE ADVISE AND PUT IN LEASES.
THE ONE OTHER PIECE I, WAS THERE A DISCUSSION AND I, AGAIN, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S A THUMBS UP THUMBS DOWN ON THE PARKING ON BRIDGE STREET.
SO THAT'S, UH, WE, WE DO, AND THE CITY IS DOING A CORRIDOR STUDY.
WE ARE IN THE VERY BEGINNING STAGES OF THAT.
UM, PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS HAVE ENTERTAINED THE IDEA, BUT WE'D LIKE TO STUDY IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
WHAT, WHAT, UM, I WAS SAYING, AND, AND THE TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY STAFF WERE SAYING IS THAT HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME WE GET THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND GET INTO A LITTLE FURTHER DETAILS THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE, UM, INSIGHTS ON THE CORBIN'S MILL ACCESS ROAD.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE EXPECTED ALONG WITH AT THE, AT THE TIME THIS IS BEING CONSTRUCTED? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS POTENTIALLY PLANNED LATER ON? THE INTENT, UH, IS THAT THE SECTION THAT YOU SEE ON THE PLAN WOULD BE PUT IN RIGHT NOW? AND THAT IS, UH, A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU SAW AT THE CONCEPT PLAN LEVEL IN THAT IT IS DESIGNED WITH THE, UH, STREETSCAPE AND BEING DEDICATED AS A PUBLIC STREET UPFRONT RATHER THAN ANTICIPATING FUTURE.
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ONE QUESTION I HAD, HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT KID ACCESS BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL POTENTIALLY TO SOME OF THE, THE RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS IN THOSE AREAS? THAT, THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED YET.WE'VE HAD THERE THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED BEFORE STARTING CONSTRUCTION.
AND I THINK THAT'S MY CONCERN IS LOOK, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ACROSS FROM A MIDDLE SCHOOL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SIXTH, SEVENTH, AND EIGHTH GRADERS, I GUARANTEE YOU'RE GONNA BE RUNNING ACROSS THE STREET.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN DO TO DELAY GOING HOME.
SIMILARLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT SOME OF THE FIRST THROUGH THIRD GRADERS, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE FOURTH AND FIFTH GRADERS FROM INDIAN RUN, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO COME OVER TO SEE WHAT'S THERE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE A STARBUCKS 'CAUSE THERE'S ONE RIGHT NEXT TO THERE.
BUT I IMAGINE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME TYPE OF STORE LIKE THAT, UH, IN RETAIL.
I JUST, I'M WORRIED FROM A, LIKE WHAT THOUGHTS HAVE YOU HAD ABOUT LIKE, SAFETY FOR WHAT I WOULD DESCRIBE POTENTIALLY AS A, AN ABUNDANCE OF, OF CHILDREN AT CERTAIN TIMES IN THE DAY AT THAT, AT, AT THE LOCATION.
SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS DESIGNED TO, YOU KNOW, WELCOME CHILDREN.
UM, I, MY, YOU KNOW, MY WHAT WE HAVE A TWO AND A 4-YEAR-OLD AND ANOTHER COMING IN A MONTH AND YOU KNOW, IT'S UH, IT'S SUCH THAT MY WIFE AND I FEELS LIKE, OH, WHERE CAN WE GO? LIKE, BRIDGE PARK'S A LITTLE TOO HECTIC AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA GO ALL THE WAY TO EAST END, BUT WE WOULD TAKE OUR KIDS HERE.
WE DELETED THE ROAD THAT WAS IN THE SQUARE, UM, TO MAKE THAT FULLY PEDESTRIAN BECAUSE WE WANT CHILDREN TO COME HERE AND PLAY.
UM, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO HAVE ICE CREAM HERE.
SO I I I, I ALSO KNOW WHAT, UH, 11 AND 12 YEAR OLDS ARE LIKE.
UM, SO I JUST, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOL.
UM, BUT I I, I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THIS IS SOME EXCLUSIVE ENCLAVE WHERE CHILDREN ARE WELCOME.
NO, NO, I KNOW IT'S WELCOMING.
I'M THINKING OF MORE FROM A, A SAFETY COMPONENT, JUST POTENTIALLY SOME OF THE, THE CONSTRUCTS THAT COULD, COULD BE IN PLACE.
AND I, I'M JUST, JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION.
'CAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE THIS WILL BE MOVING FORWARD.
SO YEAH, WE, WE SHOULD TALK WITH THE SCHOOL.
UM, BEFORE WE START, TINA, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
THIS, THIS, THIS WILL BE IT OR LL I THINK IS REPRESENTING US TONIGHT.
WHOEVER, THEY'RE BOTH GONNA COME UP.
I KNOW THE APPLICANT HAD, UH, MENTIONED THAT THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE POTENTIALLY THAT THEIR STUDY, THEIR EVALUATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS, WAS GONNA PROPOSE POTENTIALLY LIKE A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT, AT MONTEREY COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S POTENTIALLY WARRANTED IN THIS INSTANCE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WANT THIS, YOU KNOW, AREA TO BE BUSTLING.
THE, THE CONCERN I HAVE IS RIGHT NOW, AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE FIXED RIGHT NOW, BRIDGE STREET IN THE MORNING AND IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU WOULD DESCRIBE AS RUSH HOUR IS, IS A DISASTER, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T GO FROM TWO 70 TO GET TO EVEN BRIDGE PARK.
ADDING THAT LIGHT IS GONNA MAKE THAT MORE COMPLEX FROM A TIME STANDPOINT, ESPECIALLY TO, I THINK IN THE MORNING.
GIVEN THE LIGHT SITUATION AND SPEED CONTROL THAT IS IN FRONT OF INDIAN RUN AND CELLS, WHAT WILL YOU LOOK AT BEYOND JUST A NORMAL TRAFFIC STUDY? HOW, HOW WILL YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT FLOW OF TRAFFIC? THIS IS CAMERON BURRELL, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE WOULD LOOK AT FULLY COORDINATING THIS SIGNAL WITH THE REST OF THE SIGNALS ON THE CORRIDOR.
SO IT WOULD OPERATE AS EFFICIENTLY AS IT COULD.
UM, MORE THAN THAT, WE WOULD TIME IT AND IT WOULD HAVE ALL THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE IN ALL OF OUR OTHER SIGNALS FOR REAL TIME PHASING AND JUST KEEPING IT THE FLOW AS MUCH AS WE CAN REALLY.
UM, BEYOND THAT, WE WOULD AGAIN JUST KIND OF LOOK AT ALL THE SIGNALS, ALL SIX SIGNALS IN THIS CORRIDOR IS ONE.
SO IS THERE POTENTIALLY CONSIDERATION, I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A LEFT, LEFT TURN IF WE'RE GOING WEST.
UH, IS THAT RE WEST TO SOUTH? I WOULD IMAGINE.
IS THERE POTENTIAL CONTEMPLATION THERE FOR A, LIKE A WHAT WE, WHAT WHAT WE KIND OF HAVE, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE STREET NAME KIND OF RIGHT WHERE, UH, THE, THE, UH, NORTH HIGH IS WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THE FLASHING LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, CROSSING THE, THAT'S UH, NORTH HIGH STREET THERE.
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IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE CONSIDERED FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF BRIDGE STREET ACROSS? NO, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ANY CROSSING, UH, ON BRIDGE STREET TO GET ACROSS THOSE FOUR LANES AT THIS SIGNAL.THE ONLY CROSSWALK WOULD BE AT CROSSING MONTEREY DRIVE.
SORRY,
I THINK THAT, UM, THERE'S MAYBE JUST A, A MISUNDERSTANDING.
SO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REVIEWING IS A FULL TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT MONTEREY.
SO MORE LIKE NORTH HIGH AND ROCK CREST WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN PUSHES A BUTTON, THEY WOULD GET A WALK SIGNAL ON ALL THREE LEGS.
UM, SO THERE WOULDN'T NEED TO BE A SYSTEM SEPARATE LIKE THE BLINKER SYSTEM BECAUSE IT WOULD BE FULLY CONTROLLED BY THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
IS THAT YEAH, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING TOO.
OR UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WOULD MEAN PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND CROSS HIGHS HIGH STREET.
UM, HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, AND MAYBE BESSAM STARTING WITH YOU.
UM, RIGHT NOW, THE EM CEMETERY, IS IT FENCED ALL ALONG THE BOUNDARY? IT'S NOT RIGHT.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS A HISTORIC STONEWALL ALONG BRIT STREET.
AND THERE'S SOME PICTORIAL EVIDENCE THAT THERE USED TO BE A SIMILAR ONE ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE CEMETERY, BUT THAT'S BEEN GONE FOR A WHILE.
SO NO, THERE'S THE ROW OF TREES AND THAT'S WHAT MARK SAID.
SO BACK TO THE APPLICANT, UM, YOU'RE NOT REALLY SHOWING ANY KIND OF BARRIER ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROJECT.
SO PEOPLE COULD BE MOVING THROUGH YOUR EAST, YOUR NORTH SOUTH, NO, EAST, WEST STREETS AND MOVE INTO KIND OF USE THEM AS CONNECTIONS THROUGH THE CEMETERY.
AND IS THAT, IS THAT OKAY
I MEAN WE VIEW THE, I MEAN THIS CEMETERY'S AN ASSET TO THIS PROJECT.
WE DON'T VIEW IT AS A NEGATIVE.
WE WOULD LOVE IF PEOPLE WOULD, UM, WALK THROUGH THE BEAUTIFUL CEMETERY AND COME TO OUR PROJECT.
PERFECT SEGUE INTO MY NEXT QUESTION.
SO THE CEMETERY IS REALLY A, AN IMPORTANT HISTORIC OPEN SPACE IN DUBLIN, RIGHT? SO IT IS KIND OF, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU NECESSARILY WANT TO TURN YOUR BACK ON OR AVOID, IT'S ALMOST LIKE ENGAGE WITH IT.
SO, UM, ON THE GARAGE YOU'VE GOT THAT LONG FACE, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GOING TO, THE PLAN IS TO GROW SOMETHING ON, ON THAT FACE TO FILL IN THE GAPS OF THE GARAGE.
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, WE PROBABLY CAN'T DO THAT.
JUST, UH, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD NEED TO KEEP IT OPEN TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CAN BE PROPERLY VENTILATED.
UM, WE WOULD BE OPEN TO KIND OF GROWING UP SOMETHING UP THE COLUMN, UH, BRICK COLUMNS ALL THE WAY AROUND.
UM, BUT UH, WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH REALLY A PLANTING PLAN YET ON THE PROJECT ON THE BACK OF THE GARAGE.
AND MAYBE THAT WAS MY JUST JUMPING AHEAD WITH LIKE WHAT COULD HAPPEN
BUT, UM, SO, SO IT IS BASICALLY YOU'VE GOT THE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS BRICK MM-HMM
THERE WON'T BE ANY KIND OF SCREEN OR ANYTHING IN THOSE OPENINGS.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED.
UM, WE WANT TO KEEP 'EM, WE, WE WANNA KEEP 'EM OPEN SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO MECHANICAL VENTILATION, WHICH GETS REALLY EXPENSIVE REALLY QUICK.
UM, BUT OUR HOPE WAS TO KEEP 'EM OPEN.
BUT VINES POTENTIALLY WOULD ALLOW SOME AIRFLOW.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO, LIKE YOU WANNA DO ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON THE BUILDINGS.
AGAIN, I JUST, I I GUESS I'M ASKING HOW THAT BEYOND JUST ARCHITECTURE, HOW'S THAT GONNA BE TREATED? AND, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONCEPT PLAN, YOU HAD A ROAD THERE WHICH GAVE YOU ACCESS TO THE PARKING GARAGE.
HOW DO, HOW WOULD YOU MAINTAIN THAT EDGE IF YOU HAD TO? LIKE, THERE'S NO PATH OR ANYTHING BACK THERE TO GET, IT'S JUST GONNA BE LANDSCAPED RIGHT? IT AS IT'S DRAWN NOW.
UM, THERE WOULDN'T REALLY EVER BE A REASON TO GO BACK THERE.
UM, I MEAN, WE CAN PUT DOWN SOME PAVERS.
UH, THAT WAS KIND OF SOMETHING THAT WAS GONNA SAVE US WITH STORM DETENTION TOO.
I'M JUST CUR CURIOUS, LIKE YOU, YOU OFTENTIMES YOU NEED TO GET ALL THE WAY AROUND A STRUCTURE TO DO WHATEVER REPAIRS, YOU KNOW, MORTAR, WHATEVER.
AND IF THAT'S A CON, WE, WE, YEAH.
WE WOULD STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, WOULD STILL BE ON OUR PROPERTY.
YEAH, THAT HASN'T BEEN CONTEMPLATED AS, BUT YOU WENT FROM FULL ACCESS TO THAT SIDE THAT THERE'S NO ACCESS.
AND I JUST WONDERED, HAVE YOU THOUGHT THROUGH ALL OF THAT IN TERMS OF JUST MAINTAINING IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT? SO JUST IN TERMS OF, IT'S FUNNY YOU SAY THAT IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING IT, WE'RE, UH, FEELS LIKE WHENEVER SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE IN THE SHORT NORTH, WE'RE CLOSING ON A SIDEWALK AND, YOU KNOW, JUMPING THROUGH 10 HOOPS TO FIX SOMETHING ON ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS.
UH, I THINK THAT HERE, ANY KIND OF MAINTENANCE PATH OR ANYTHING WOULD REALLY SCARE ME ABOUT THE 15 FOOT BUFFER, BUFFER CRITICAL ROOT ZONE.
SO I WOULDN'T WANNA PUT ANYTHING IN THE
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GROUND THERE, UM, BECAUSE WE WANNA KEEP THOSE TREES AS HEALTHY AS POSSIBLE.SO I, I THINK IT CAN BE MANAGED EFFECTIVELY AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
BECAUSE I COULD SEE THAT BEING A NEGATIVE THING FOR TREES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO AGAIN, UH, THE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE GARAGE IS THE TOP FLOOR OF IT.
UM, YOU DON'T SHOW ANY VEHICLES IN IT, SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GET A PERSPECTIVE, BUT THAT TOP PARAPET OF THE GARAGE IS, IS THAT LIKE TWO FEET ABOVE THE SURFACE? THE PARKING SURFACE OR, I'M, I'M THINKING I'M FOUR, FOUR FEET.
I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT DO I SEE CARS PARKED ALL THERE? THE VIEW FROM THE CEMETERY, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A CONCRETE CRASH WALL THAT FROM YOUR VANTAGE POINT, I THINK YOU'D HAVE A VERY HARD TIME SEEING AND WITH TREES AS WELL.
AGAIN, I GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT ABOUT THE CEMETERIES UP FRONT IN MY MIND IN A LOT OF WAYS.
SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES? MM-HMM
UM, HAD A QUESTION ABOUT BUILDING A, UM, IN THE, IN THE CONCEPT PLAN YOU HAD THE WALKWAY, THE INTERNAL WALKWAY GOING LIKE IT WAS ALMOST STRAIGHT THROUGH ALL THE WAY NORTH TO SOUTH AND YOU JOGGED IT AT BUILDING A.
AND I JUST WAS CURIOUS WHY YOU DID THAT.
IF WE COULD, UM, RUN THROUGH THAT REALLY QUICK.
SO, UH, WE INITIALLY MOVED IT, UM, WE THINK WE WANT B TO BE A SINGLE TENANT RESTAURANT.
UM, AND IF IT KEEPS MOVING OVER TO LINE THAT UP, THAT BUILDING CAN JUST BE REALLY BIG, REALLY QUICK.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND IT.
I JUST, IT, IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU CAN BE IN THE COURTYARD AND YOU CAN LOOK ALL THE WAY OUT AND KIND OF SEE YOUR ROUTE TO BRIDGE STREET.
SO YEAH, NOW YOU LOOK AND YOU SEE A WALL AND YOU DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A CONNECTION THROUGH.
SO, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S CLOSE.
UM, GOT THAT, UM, WEST PROPERTY LINE, UM, RIGHT NOW THAT'S GONNA BE FAIRLY MINIMAL AND THEN ALL OF THE TREES ARE BEING REMOVED THERE.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T REMOVE ANY TREES THAT AREN'T ON OUR PROPERTY, BUT, UH, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION, SO, SORRY, IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S JUST, I CAN'T TELL WHAT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY, WHAT ISN'T, BUT THAT'S ALRIGHT.
I, THERE'S A LOT OF, I HAVE TELLING, THERE'S A LOT OF EXES OVER THERE, SO YEAH.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE REMOVING MOST OF THOSE, WE'RE REMOVING MOST OF THE TREES.
AND THAT KIND OF GETS BACK TO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I VENT WITH THE OWNER OF THAT, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SHE'S, UH, AN INCREDIBLY NICE WOMAN WHO'S LIVED IN THE HOME FOR 50 PLUS YEARS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, I'VE TALKED TO HER THERE.
WE WOULD BUILD HER A NICE FENCE.
WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT CARS AREN'T SHINING INTO HER HOME.
UM, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UH, OUR ABILITY TO TAKE DOWN THOSE TREES IN ORDER TO HAVE PARKING THERE IS REALLY CRITICAL.
'CAUSE IF WE, IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A SIX FOOT BUFFER, IT MIGHT AS WELL BE 18 FEET JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A, WE NEED THOSE PARKING SPACES.
AND THEN WE ARE JUST AT A POINT WHERE, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE DONATED OR DEDICATED, YOU KNOW, 0.75 ACRES, THE PROJECT IS JUST GETTING TIGHTER AND TIGHTER AND WE CAN'T LOSE A BUNCH OF LEASEABLE AREA EITHER.
UM, AND I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE COMMISSION LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO THE PROJECT ON THE EAST SIDE IN THE SQUARE, OTHER TREES PLANTED, UM, IN LIEU OF GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE TREES IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
I AND I, AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE SITE IS TIGHT.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE BUILDING E AND, AND E TWO, E ONE AND E TWO COULD BE NARROWER AND YOU COULD SHIFT EVERYTHING OVER WITHOUT TOO MUCH OF AN ISSUE, BUT YOU'RE LOSING SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE.
BUT AGAIN, I, I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY LINE.
AND SO, AND, AND THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE YOUR PARKING ORGANIZED, ONE WOULD ASSUME THAT CUSTOMERS ARE PARKING THERE.
SO I'M THINKING OF PEOPLE PARKING THERE, THE ENVIRONMENT, THE BUFFERING ENTERING INTO THE BUILDING.
IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S THE SERVICE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, STAFF ARE PARKING BACK THERE.
YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT CONTROLLING THAT NECESSARILY.
SO I'M, I'M JUST AGAIN ASKING WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OF DOING TO HELP TO MAKE THAT IN A PLEASANT ENVIRONMENT FOR WHOEVER IS THERE.
IT'S OUR, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE, LAST TIME WE TALKED, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE, UH, COULD THE PROPERTY BE, YOU KNOW, TAKEN BY THE CITY.
WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN KICKING ANYONE OUTTA THEIR HOME, SO WE WANNA MAKE THIS A NICE ENVIRONMENT FOR THIS WOMAN AND THE, THE OTHER BUSINESS OWNER.
UM, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UM, WE'RE ALL, IT FEELS LIKE EVERYONE'S ON BOARD THAT A ROAD'S GONNA NEED TO GO THROUGH THERE AND THE, UH, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD IS OVER THE OVERLAY OVER BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES WITH A KROGER NEXT DOOR AND A GAS STATION ON THE FRONT.
IT'S JUST, I'D SEE IT UNLIKELY NOT BEING DEVELOPED.
UM, O OVER COULD BE 2, 5, 20 YEARS.
AND I WOULD JUST, I WOULD HATE TO PUT IN THESE ARTIFICIAL AND SOME MIGHT SAY SUBURBAN SETBACKS, UM, FOR, FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL CHANGE.
AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THE COMMISSION GRAPPLES WITH BECAUSE WE, WE CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE AND WHAT'S GONNA CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.
SO EVERY PROJECT'S GOTTA STAND ON ITS
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OWN.AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHY WE ASK THE QUESTIONS.
UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, UH, KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A REPEAT, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO TREES, UM, AND WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE COURTYARD.
UM, THERE ARE TWO MONSTER TREES, RIGHT? WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR LAWN, THEY'RE LIKE 24 AND 23 INCHES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED.
IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T SAVE SOME EXISTING TREES IN THAT SPACE? UH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST PIECE WOULD BE THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONE OF THOSE TREES.
LIKE WE, WE NEED TO HAVE SIDEWALKS AND PLANTER BEDS AND THINGS NEXT TO THERE THAT I WOULD HATE TO SAY, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA KEEP 'EM, WE, YOU KNOW, DO THE COLLEGE TRY AND THEN THEY DON'T GROW LEAVES NEXT APRIL.
RIGHT? UM, AND THIS IDEA OF AN OPEN LAWN REALLY CREATES A LOT MORE PROGRAMMING POSSIBILITIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THIS TO BE A, YOU KNOW, MARK AND HIS FAMILY OF OWNED BUILDINGS IN THE SHORT NORTH FOR, UM, THIS IS OUR 45TH YEAR THIS YEAR.
UH, IT'S THE SAME BUILDINGS WE'VE NEVER SOLD.
WE WANT THIS TO BE SOMETHING THAT GROWS AND BECOMES A, A NEIGHBORHOOD OVER TIME.
UH, JUST WE WANT THE ABILITY TO HAVE THESE TREES GROW IN HERE AND REPLACE THOSE 20, 23, 24 INCH TREES OR, UH, THE TIMELINE WE THINK AND, AND NOT JUST CUTTING SOMETHING DOWN BECAUSE I THINK WE MISSED SOMETHING WITH THE PROGRAMMING THEN.
AGAIN, THEY'RE OLD ENOUGH THAT, AND MATURE ENOUGH THAT THEY DO HAVE SOME VALUE.
AND SO, I MEAN, I, I GUESS IT, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE NICE, JUST NICE TO KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, IF IT ARBORIST GOES OUT THERE AND SAYS, YEAH, THAT'S A ABSOLUTELY AMAZING TREE, WE HAVE TO SAVE IT.
AND, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AROUND LIKE, CAN WE GET THE GRADES RIGHT? CAN WE DO THIS RIGHT? CAN WE INTRODUCE SILVA CELL FOR ROOT GROWTH AND ALL THAT? SO JUST, I'M JUST ASKING IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
UH, I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT.
UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD, BUT I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ADDITIONAL.
UM, BOTTOM OF EVERY ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT BASSAM PRESENTS, THERE ARE THREE WORDS AND SUSTAINABILITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE LAST PROJECT WE APPROVED AS A LEAD SILVER STATUS, A LARGE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST, IS LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF WAYS TO INCORPORATE SUSTAINABILITY PRACTICES INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
IS THERE ANY THOUGHT OF HOW YOU WILL INCORPORATE SUSTAINABILITY PRACTICES? 'CAUSE CLEARLY THE TREE APPROACH WAS NOT
SO HOW YOU'RE GONNA INCORPORATE SUSTAINABILITY PRACTICES INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT? UH, SO I THINK THAT IS PHASE TWO.
AS WE, WE'VE HIRED, UH, PRADER AND, UH, EP FARRIS TO BE OUR CIVIL AND MEP ENGINEERS, WE'RE GONNA GET THEM GOING ON HOW WE CAN BE SUSTAINABLE.
WE TALKED WITH A, A PERSON HERE, UM, I SHOULDN'T SAY WHO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COULD WE LOOK INTO CISTERNS TO HELP WITH WATERING AND RAINWATER COLLECTION? UM, UH, WE, WE'VE KICKED THE TIRES ON THINKING ABOUT SOLAR PANELS, ESPECIALLY WHEN TENANTS ARE PAYING THEIR OWN UTILITY BILLS.
IF YOU CAN LOWER THOSE, YOU CAN REALLY GET MORE BASE RENT FROM THESE FOLKS.
SO, UH, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S NOT A REAL FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT CAN OFFER THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR ALL TO SAY, WE WILL ATTEMPT TO MAKE THIS AS SUSTAINABLE AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE'RE NOT.
WE, WE WANNA SET UP THE PLANT FIRST AND THEN GET THERE.
YOUR FLAT ROOFS CERTAINLY GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PHOTOVOLTAICS.
AND, UH, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE GOAL OF SHOWING THE PITCH ROOFS, HIDING THE MECHANICALS, AND THEN HAVING SOMETHING THAT CAN SIT BACK THERE, UM, O OVER THE LONG TERM.
I, I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE A THING ONE DAY I JUST, UH, A $10 MILLION ADDITION RIGHT NOW PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE IN THE CARTS.
BUT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE HARD.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION, KIM.
WAS IT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID, UH, RELATIVE TO THE THE WEST, DO WE, AND I'M TRYING TO LOOK HERE ON THE, THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN.
IS IT A, IS THERE A, IS THERE A HEDGE THAT'S GONNA GO ALONG THE WEST? UH, YOU KNOW WHERE THE CARS ARE PARKED AGAINST IT? YOU HAD SAID THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO, YOU KNOW, BLOCK THE LIGHT FROM THEM PARKING.
IS IT A, IS IT THE PLAN TO BE A HEDGE? WE HAVE A SMALL HEDGE AREA AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A FENCE WE WOULD BUILD AS WELL.
UH, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHEN YOU SAY THE, THE FENCE IS ON THE, THE SOUTH PART OF THAT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY? YEAH, ONLY.
WE CAN IN INSTALL IT, UH, UP UP THAT PROPERTY LINE.
I WOULD JUST ASSUME THAT, UM, WE'D BE HAPPY TO INSTALL IT WHEREVER THAT A PROPERTY OWNER WOULD DESIRE IT, I GUESS.
SO YOU, I I'M SORRY I THE DRAWINGS SAY THAT YOU'RE JUST DOING IT ON LIKE UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL, NOT FENCING THE WHOLE WESTERN.
WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON IT JUST WITH THE, THE THOUGHT THAT THE, UH, THE OTHER PROPERTY WAS FOR SALE, BUT IF, IF THAT PROPERTY OWNER WOULD DESIRE IT AND WE WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
SO BEYOND WHERE THE PROPERTY IS, IF WE'RE MOVING NORTH, IS IT JUST A HEDGE? NO OFFENSE AS OF
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RIGHT NOW, YEAH.THERE WOULD BE A, A SMALL HEDGE AREA.
WHAT, LIKE WHAT HEIGHT? LIKE FOUR FEET OR? I WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THE, THE, THE P IS.
I CAN, I CAN GET BACK TO THE COMM COMMISSION ON THAT.
IT'S, IT'S LABELED PLANTING BED RIGHT NOW.
SO, WELL, I KNOW THAT I WAS JUST, BUT WHEN YOUR, YOUR QUESTIONS KIND OF SPARKED IT BE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE, UH, THAT'S THE WHOLE PLANT'S A LOT CARS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT'S THE BUFFER
IS THERE EVER HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT INCORPORATING ANY TYPE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, DUBLIN LOVES, LIKE THOSE LIMESTONE, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA CALL 'EM FENCES, BUT SOME OF THE ACROSS IS THAT WALLS? THE WALL WALLS.
THAT IS CONTEMPLATED IN THE SQUARE.
BUT NOT MAYBE ON THAT BORDER, BORDERING ON THAT? UH, NOT ON THAT BORDER, NO.
UH, WE WERE BLOWN AWAY BY THE COST OF OH, I JUST IMAGINE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
I THINK WE WOULD BE UP FOR SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, CREATIVE AND LASTING, UH, TO PREVENT HEADLIGHTS GOING IN SOMEBODY'S RIGHT PROPERTY.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND ANSWERING ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M NOW GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A STATEMENT, PLEASE COME TO THE DAIS AND THE MICROPHONE IS ALREADY ON.
SO JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
NICOLE SALVA AND ADDRESS, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, I AM HERE REPRESENTING WATERFORD VILLAGE.
UH, WE DID A, UH, SENT OUT A SURVEY TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS TO KIND OF GAUGE, UH, HOW THEY FELT ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL.
SO OUR COMMUNITY GENERALLY SUPPORTS THIS PROPOSAL WITH 74% IN FAVOR OF IT.
UH, WE REMAIN THRILLED THAT THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL AND WE ALSO APPRECIATE, UM, I KNOW THERE'S TWO STORY ON BRIDGE STREET AND THEN ALSO IN BUILDING G AND H, BUT AROUND THE SQUARE.
WE DO APPRECIATE THAT THAT REMAINS AT ONE AND A HALF.
UH, OUR COMMUNITY IS QUAINT AND SMALL AND QUIET AND WE FEEL LIKE THE ONE AND A HALF STORY REALLY GAUGES THAT AND, UM, CONTINUES TO KEEP THAT SAME VIBE.
UH, THERE'S ALSO 88% IN FAVOR OF THE DESIGN.
UH, HOWEVER, THERE ARE A COUPLE SAFETY AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENTS, UM, MANAGEMENT ISSUES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDRESSED.
I THINK I HEARD A LIGHT WAS WARRANTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS IT'S HAPPENING AT MONTEREY.
DOES THAT, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? SO IF IT IS, UM, THAT WAS OUR MAIN CONCERN.
UH, WE DON'T THINK ANY DEVELOPMENT OR PROJECT CAN GO HERE WITHOUT A LIGHT AT MONTEREY AND BRIDGE STREET 1 61.
AND WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A SECONDARY EXIT POINT.
UM, IF WE RELY SOLELY ON THE MONTEREY 1 61 TRAFFIC LIGHT, ESPECIALLY DURING PEAK TIMES, THIS COULD ENCOURAGE TRAFFIC FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE MONTEREY UP TO FRANCE, WHICH IS BASICALLY THROUGH OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THE PROJECTED AREA OF CORBIN MILLS IS NOT AN OPTION RIGHT NOW AS AN EXIT POINT, BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOME, WE WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST MAYBE A ONE-WAY EXIT, UH, THROUGH THE WOODED AREA BEHIND THE PARK.
THERE'S A LARGE HILL COMES DOWN, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S A LITTLE WOODED AREA.
AND IF WE COULD MAKE THAT ANOTHER EXIT POINT, MAYBE JUST EVEN TURNING RIGHT, AND IT'S A ONE WAY STREET OUTRIGHT, UH, WE REALLY THINK THAT THIS WOULD DRASTICALLY REDUCE THE TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, PROJECTED TO COME THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
WE ALSO REQUEST A PHYSICAL DETERRENT TO BE PLACED AROUND THE TENNIS COURTS AS YOU LEAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT AND ENTER INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND BY THAT I MEAN, I GUESS AROUND LANE AVENUE SHOPPING CENTERS, THERE'S NEIGHBORHOODS BEHIND THERE AND I GUESS THERE'S SOME SORT OF DEVICE, UM, THAT KIND OF, YOU'RE LIKE, WHOA, CAN I ACTUALLY GET INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? SO IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A DETERRENT.
UM, WE'VE TALKED TO WOOD COMPANIES ABOUT THAT, BUT WE HOPE THAT THIS WOULD PREVENT OUR STREETS FROM BECOMING A CUT THROUGH WHEN INDIVIDUALS ARE LEAVING THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
WE ALSO WANNA MAINTAIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S IDENTITY.
SO WE ASK FOR THE CITY TO APPROVE STONE PILLARS AROUND THE SUGGESTED DETERRENT THAT I JUST MENTIONED.
UM, THIS WOULD BE ON CITY PROPERTY, SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE ASKING, UM, FOR POTENTIAL APPROVAL ON THAT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO IDENTIFY IT BEING WATERFORD VILLAGE AND POSSIBLY HAVE IT STATED LIKE PRIVATE COMMUNITY OR RESIDENCE ONLY.
SO ALL OF THAT OVERFLOW TRAFFIC DOESN'T POTENTIALLY COME THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
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UM, AND THEN ALSO THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STONE PILLARS THAT ARE AT ALL THE ENTRANCES TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.ANOTHER LARGE, UM, CONCERN IS THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS.
I KNOW IT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER, BUT CURRENTLY WE HAVE DRIVERS IGNORE THE STOP SIGN AT CLOVER COURT AND MONTEREY.
AND THIS IS THE INTERSECTION THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TAKES TO GET TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, WHICH I'VE HEARD PEOPLE MENTION, UM, WILL ALSO BE UTILIZED BY THE GUEST ATTENDING, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE REQUEST POTENTIALLY A FLASHING CROSSLIGHT ACROSS LIGHT AT CLOVER AND MONTEREY, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE HAVE IN DOWNTOWN DUBLIN.
UM, WE ANTICIPATE A SIGNIFICANT SPIKE IN TRAFFIC AT THAT CORNER AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ANY VISITOR IS SAFE WHEN THEY'RE CROSSING.
AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH WOOD COMPANIES, BUT UM, WE ALSO JUST WANNA ENSURE IF THERE EVER BECOMES A PARKING GARAGE ISSUE WHERE PEOPLE ARE LOITERING IN THERE OR RACING CARS OR WHATNOT, THAT, UM, WE CAN STILL GO TO THEM AND THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUE THEY SAID THEY WOULD, BUT I JUST WANT THAT ON RECORD.
UM, ALSO, UM, JUST TO KIND OF WRAP UP, I KNOW I'M OVER, BUT, UM, WE JUST KINDLY ASK THAT COUNCIL PRIORIT PRIORITIZE THE SAFETY AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SUGGEST SUGGESTIONS WE CAME UP WITH.
UM, WE WANNA PROTECT, LIKE I SAID, THE INTEGRITY AND OUR QUIET AND QUAINT, UH, COMMUNITY.
I WOULD URGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO THE CITY FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE DETAILS.
YOU ASKED A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE ANSWERS, BUT PLEASE REACH OUT TO THE CITY TO ANSWER THOSE.
HI, MY NAME IS KEITH BARNES, UH, IN 2 7 9 CLOVER COURT IN WATERFORD VILLAGE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TO LISTEN
UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE WOOD COMPANIES NOW, UH, OR WITH TYLER SPECIFICALLY FOR, FOR PROBABLY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS ANYWAY.
UM, AND HE ALSO MET WITH, UM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UH, YOU JUST GET THIS FEELING THAT WE KNOW THEY'RE CREDIBLE, UH, BUT THEY'RE VERY TRANSPARENT AND OPEN IN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'VE INCORPORATED MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED INTO THE PLANS.
SO THEY'VE LISTENED AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, TYLER'S EFFORTS, UH, IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THE PROPOSED PLAN, AND I'M NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ALL THE NEIGHBORS, BUT CERTAINLY, UH, A LARGE NUMBER THAT THIS WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE UNIQUENESS OF DUBLIN.
UH, IT'S A UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S NOTHING QUITE LIKE THAT IN IN DUBLIN, ALTHOUGH DUBLIN IS DEVELOPED IN A VERY UNIQUE WAY, IN A NICE WAY.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT ATTRACTIVE.
UM, BUT IT'S AN EXCELLENT TRANSITION, I THINK, INTO THE OLD DUBLIN.
I THINK IT'LL BE A, A GOOD ADD.
UM, TO REITERATE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, NICOLE SAID, UH, PROBABLY THE OVERRIDING ISSUE SHARED, BUT MOST RESIDE IS TRAFFIC.
WE ALREADY HAVE A MAJOR, UM, ISSUE TURNING LEFT OR RIGHT OFF MONTEREY ON THE BRIDGE STREET.
UH, MONTEREY ALSO HAS BECOME A MAJOR CUT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHEN TRAFFIC STARTS GETTING BACKED UP TO FRANCE AND POST, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO, TO GET TURN LEFT OUT OF, OUT OF MONTEREY AND MANY TIMES EVEN TO TURN RIGHT.
SO WE, WE KNOW YOU'RE CONSIDERING THOSE THINGS AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
UM, AND DUBLIN, YOU KNOW, IT IS BECOMING AN, UH, AN INCREASED POPULARITY DESTINATION FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND THE CHOICE OF EXIT INTO DUBLIN APPEARS TO BE AT I 70, UH, TO 33 BRIDGE STREET RATHER THAN I 70 SAWMILL.
SO YOU GET A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE INCREASED TRAFFIC FLOW, AND I THINK A LOT OF THE REASONS FOR A LOT OF THE CUT THROUGH THAT, THAT WE SEE ON, ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS.
AND, AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT AND I JUST HOPE THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT, UH, IN, IN YOUR, YOUR PLANNING.
UM, AND, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT EVERYONE'S AWARE OF THE, OF THE SIDEWALK SITUATION IN WATERFORD, BUT YOU KNOW, GOING FROM FRANCE, UH, ALL THE WAY OUT TO BRIDGE STREET, UH, A SIDEWALK ONLY GOES PART WAY ON BOTH SIDES.
UH, BUT IT'S ONLY A ONE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY DOWN THE CLOVER.
AND WE LIVE RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF CLOVER AND IN MONTEREY, SO THEY HAVE TO, TO CROSS OVER TO THE PARK ACROSS MONTEREY TO THE PARK RIGHT THERE AT
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CLOVER.IT'S A FOUR WAY STOP, BUT IT'S LARGELY IGNORED.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THE THE, THE DUBLIN POLICE HAVE IGNORED IT.
THEY, THEY HA THEY HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WE SEE IT EVERY DAY BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT THERE AND THERE'S ALSO A BUS STOP THERE.
AND WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF NEAR MISSES.
UH, AND, AND WITH CHILDREN CROSSING THERE MANY TIMES, EVEN WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF FRIGHTENING.
UM, SO WE HOPE THAT WHATEVER YOU DO, THERE'S GONNA BE A TRAFFIC SOLUTION TO IT.
UH, WE ALSO, AND AND NICOLE MENTIONED, UH, ANOTHER EXIT ONLY, UH, PLAN, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IF THE PLANNING ZONING HAS LOOKED AT THIS OPTION, BUT IT WOULD APPEAR BASED UPON A, A, A DRIVE THAT'S ON THAT SIDE ANYWAY, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE, THE TENNIS COURT THAT AN EXIT COULD BE USED THERE WITHOUT INFRINGING UPON THE PARK AT ALL.
I MEAN, WE TAKE OUR GRANDKIDS TO THE PARK AND WE GO SLED RIDING THERE, AND I DON'T SEE WHERE A ONE EXIT THERE AND IT WOULD BE THEIR PROPERTY AND, AND THE CITY'S PROPERTY.
BUT AN EXIT OUT AND PRETTY FAR DOWN, YOU'D PROBABLY KIND OF MEANDER OUT AND RIDE OUT ON THE CORBIN MILL.
IT MIGHT REALLY BE A, A PART OF A, A SOLUTION TO WHAT WE CONSIDER COULD, COULD BE A BIG PROBLEM.
AND ACTUALLY THAT WOULD BE MUCH SAFER.
IF YOU THINK IT'S AN EXTRA PARK.
IT'S ACTUALLY WOULD PROBABLY BE ON THAT TREE LINE SO YOU WOULDN'T EVEN SEE IT.
BUT THERE'S MORE OF A DANGER RIGHT NOW WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING DOWN MONTEREY BY THAT PARK.
AND THAT PARK IS, IS UTILIZED BY NOT ONLY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S BECOME REALLY A COMMUNITY, UM, PARK.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE GO THERE TO ENJOY IT AND THERE'S VERY LIMITED PARKING.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT IS DEFINITELY A PROBLEM.
I I HOPE THAT YOU REALLY CONSIDER ALL THAT.
UM, I DON'T WANNA REITERATE EVERYTHING SHE SAID, UM, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY ON THE SAME PAGE WITH, WITH SUPPORTING, UM, WHAT WE CONSIDER A REAL QUALITY ORGANIZATION.
AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROPOSALS THAT HAVE NOT REALLY WORKED OUT.
BUT THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION THEY INVEST IN THEIR PROPERTIES.
THEY DON'T TURN AROUND AND SELL 'EM.
THEY TURN AROUND AND LEASE 'EM, BUT THEY GO AFTER VERY GOOD TENANTS, HIGH END TENANTS.
AND I THINK IT JUST FITS WHAT DUBLIN IS ALL ABOUT.
UH, AND IF YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE, UH, RENOVATED, UH, IN, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THEY'RE REMARKABLE.
SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A DEVELOPER WHO IS INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WANTS TO SEE THINGS WORK OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE FOR THE LONG TERM OR THEY WILL BE.
SO I HOPE THAT'S ALL PART OF THE CONSIDERATION THAT, UH, AND I THINK EVERYBODY KIND OF FALLS IN LOVE WITH SOME OF THE, UH,
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD AD FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I DO HOPE YOU CONSIDER THAT.
AND, UM, AND, AND WE CAN'T SAY ENOUGH.
SIR TYLER, UH, HAS BEEN EXCEPTIONAL IN, IN OPEN, HONEST COMMUNICATION.
HE'S BEEN TRANSPARENT WITH EVERYONE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYBODY AGREES WITH, WITH EVERYTHING, BUT HE IS INCORPORATED A LOT OF OUR IDEAS INTO THE PLAN.
AND, AND I APPRECIATE, UH, SOMEONE WHO IS SENSITIVE TO THE COMMUNITY NEEDS OR WANTS.
NEXT, AND I WILL REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE RED LIGHT MEANS THAT YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR THREE MINUTES AND THAT YOU SHOULD WRAP UP YOUR STATE, YOUR STATEMENTS.
UH, MY NAME'S MIKE SCALIC, 2 4 9 OLD SPRING LANE, ALSO IN WATERFORD VILLAGE.
I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT A LITTLE SHORTER THAN KEITH.
UM, I JUST WANNA REITERATE A COUPLE THINGS HERE.
UH, WE, WE ARE AS, AS A NEIGHBORHOOD AT LEAST, UH, MY OPINION, WE ARE IN, IN FAVOR OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UH, IT IS, IT IS, UH, MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN PREVIOUSLY FROM SOME OTHER DEVELOPERS.
UM, TALKING ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A BIG PIECE HERE.
I KNOW TYLER AND WOOD COMPANY HAS, HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AS WELL.
THIS IS MORE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE CITY.
AND I'VE BEEN UP HERE AND ADDRESS THIS, UH, THIS GROUP BEFORE.
AND I'VE BEEN, I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE, THE CITY, UM, 1 61 IS TERRIFYING TO WALK WITH YOUR CHILDREN TO RIDE A BIKE WITH YOUR CHILDREN.
UM, THE ADDITION OF HAVING PARALLEL PARKING ON 1 61, SO MS. HARDER, YOU'VE BROUGHT THIS UP TO ME, IS A FANTASTIC WAY TO MAKE THIS MUCH SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS TO WALK DOWN THE STREET.
THERE ARE, THERE IS SEMI TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THAT AT 45 MILES AN HOUR.
THEY IGNORE THOSE, UH, UH, SPEED LIMIT SIGNS.
IT IS TERRIFYING WALKING THROUGH THAT SECTION.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE.
UM, IF WE DO GET A LIGHT AT MONTEREY, UM, AND CONSIDERING ANY CROSSWALKS, IT IS STILL VERY DIFFICULT TO CROSS 1 61 TO ENTER ANYWHERE ELSE IN, UH, OLD DUBLIN.
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NOT SUPER PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.THEY'RE NOT TIMED VERY WELL, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT.
I'VE SAT THERE, I'VE TIMED IT.
YOU'RE TALKING THREE MINUTES BEFORE YOU GET A LIGHT CHANGE.
DENISE AND I HAVE RUN ACROSS THE STREET WHEN IT WASN'T OUR TIME TO GO.
UM, IT'S NOT SET UP VERY WELL.
YOU GUYS TOOK AWAY ONE OF THOSE FLASHING LIGHTS, AND TO ME, THE PROBLEM GOT A LITTLE BIT WORSE.
UH, ALSO AT EVERY CROSSWALK YOU ARE CONTENDING WITH TRAFFIC THAT'S TURNING INTO YOU.
SO NOW YOU'RE NOT ONLY LOOKING AT WHAT YOU'VE GOT CROSSING THE STREET, YOU'VE GOT TRAFFIC THAT'S PUSHING, TRYING TO TURN INTO YOU WHILE YOU'RE CROSSING THERE.
SO PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT CROSSWALK SAFETY, RAISE THOSE CROSSWALKS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, MR. DASHER FOR THE SCHOOLS, UM, IT'S SO DANGEROUS TO CROSS THERE.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT WALK TO SCHOOL.
WE GET BUSED A QUARTER OF A MILE.
UM, SO THE SCHOOLS, IT'S REALLY ONLY FRIDAY NIGHTS.
THE CELLS GETS LET OUT AND THEY GO AND THEY GALVAN TO LONG HOLD DUBLIN.
SO YOU DON'T REALLY SEE ANY OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS.
YOU DON'T SEE KIDS WALKING HOME AND STOPPING OFF AT RETAIL.
I WOULD LOVE THE KIDS TO BE ABLE TO WALK HOME AND I'D LOVE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO STOP SOMEWHERE AND DO THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UM, MR. BATAR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR IT FOR A LONG TIME.
I'M THRILLED TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
UH, I DO WANNA REITERATE THAT WE ARE NOT EXCITED ABOUT ANY RESIDENTIAL IN THIS LOCATION.
SO I KNOW I'VE HEARD THAT BROUGHT UP A FEW TIMES.
UM, I'D LOVE TO KEEP IT HOW THEY HAVE IT PLANNED.
UH, ALSO, WE HAD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT TREES.
UM, ANY DEVELOPMENT HERE I BELIEVE IS GONNA HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THESE TREES.
IT IS NOT AN ATTRACTIVE SITE RIGHT NOW.
IT IS OVERGROWN WITH HONEYSUCKLE.
YOU CAN'T SEE MUCH THROUGH THERE.
THERE ARE SOME GREAT TREES, BUT ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES THROUGH HERE IS GOING TO TEAR THOSE OUT AND SAVING THEM WHILE WOULD BE GREAT.
LET'S GET THIS A LOT BETTER LOOKING.
UH, AND AS DEFENSES AND HEDGES, FENCES AND HEDGES, BLOCK PEDESTRIANS, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THIS AS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
THERE IS DESIRE PATHS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO TAKE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE CROSSING THROUGH THINGS.
I KNOW I DO IT THROUGH OLD DUBLIN AROUND THOSE PARKING LOTS.
I'M TROUNCING OVER BUSHES SO I CAN GET THEIR PLACES FASTER.
SO LET'S KEEP THIS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
THE MICROPHONE IS ON NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS MARY ANN CLARK AND I LIVE AT 1 46 CORBINS MILL.
UM, FIRST OFF, I WANT TO SAY DUBLIN IS SORELY LACKING CUTE LITTLE STOREFRONT SHOPS.
SO IF YOU CAN BRING THAT IN, THAT WOULD ADD A LOT TO THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT.
AND A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT I GO TO DO.
AND YOU CAN REALLY, REALLY TELL, UM, AS A CORBIN'S MILL RESIDENT, I UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED ANOTHER CUT THROUGH.
BUT PLEASE CONSIDER HOW NARROW CORMAN'S MILL IS AND HOW CLOSE OUR SIDEWALKS ARE TO THE STREET BEFORE WE START SENDING TOO MUCH TRAFFIC THAT WAY.
I MEAN, MAYBE MAKE IT WHITE RIGHT TURN ONLY AND PUSH IT UP, YOU KNOW, TO BRIDGE STREET WHERE THE LIGHT IS, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING THEIR DOGS, AND WE HAVE CHILDREN WAITING FOR BUSES.
AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T YOUR CONCERN, I'M THROWING THIS TO THE CITY, BUT, UM, CONSIDER THAT WE, WE WERE NOT DESIGNED FOR THE KIND OF TRAFFIC THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
SO I'M JUST REQUESTING A THOUGHT ON THAT TOO.
SO THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'VE PUT IN SO FAR.
ANYBODY ELSE? FLOOR'S OPEN, MIC'S ON.
ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD NOW AND SHIFT IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DELIBERATION AND REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT WE HAVE A SERIES, UH, WE HAVE A VOTE TO, TO PROVIDE ON 10 CONDITIONS.
SO I DUNNO IF WE, MADISON, WE WANNA BRING THOSE UP AS WE DELIBERATE.
MR. GARVIN, SORRY YOU'RE ON THAT SIDE OF THE TABLE.
UM, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.
I THINK THIS FITS THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLANS.
UM, I, UH, APPRECIATE MATCHING THE SIDEWALK STYLE OF THE CHURCH.
I THINK THAT MAKES IT A GREAT TRANSITION AS YOU GET INTO KIND OF A TOUGH TRANSITION OVER TO WHERE THE SETBACK RETAIL IS, WHERE KROGER IS.
UM, I, UH, I THINK YOU ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD THE FIRST TIME THROUGH THE CUT THROUGH.
UM, I, I KNOW THE FIRST TIME AROUND I DID HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BACK ROW OF PARKING AND WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THAT.
UM, I, I WOULD SAY THAT'S LESS OF A CONCERN FOR ME NOW JUST AS A RESULT OF THE PENDING POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTIES ON THAT SIDE.
UM, I THINK IT'S HARD TO KIND OF WORK AROUND THAT WITHOUT, UH, KNOWING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE.
UM, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE ADDITION OF OFFICE.
I THINK THAT MAKES IT TRUE MIXED USE.
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I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY ISN'T NECESSARILY EXCITED ABOUT RESIDENTIAL.UM, I THINK OFFICE IS IS AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO, UM, TO MAKE IT MIXED USE IN THAT ABSENCE.
UM, SO I WOULD SUPPORT FUTURE WAIVERS AS THEY MIGHT COME UP FOR THE PEDESTRIAN WAY, UH, FOR THE LENGTH OF BLOCKS FOR E ONE, UM, BEING FURTHER AWAY FROM, UH, THE, THE STREETS.
AND, UH, IN TERMS OF THE PLANNING CONDITIONS, I'M OKAY AS IS.
I WOULD ALSO BE OKAY REMOVING EIGHT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY.
UH, CAN YOU, I HAVE A QUESTION JUST TO, IF YOU WANNA HOP UP REAL QUICK, JUST IT'LL HELP ME.
I, THE PRESUMPTION IS THAT YOU'VE READ THE REPORT, YOU'VE READ THE RECOMMENDATIONS RELATIVE TO THE CONDITIONS.
DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO MEET ANY OF THE CONDITIONS? THAT'S A INTERESTING QUESTION.
UM, I, BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT YOU TO, WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH THIS, BUT THERE'S CONDITIONS IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THEM AND YOU WANT TO PRESENT REASONS WHY YOU DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MEET THEM.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO HEAR.
AND PERHAPS WE SHOULD HOLD THAT QUESTION OFF UNTIL WE GO THROUGH ALL OF OUR, SO WE KNOW WHAT, WHERE THE COMMISSION, THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT COME UP.
ANOTHER QUESTION THAT KIND OF CAME UP.
UH, HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSION FROM AN IMMINENT DOMAIN PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE, THE SINGLE, SINGLE RESIDENCE THAT'S PREVENTING THE, THE CUT THROUGH TO CORBIN'S MILL? NO.
IS THE CITY INTENDING ON HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS BASED ON A POTENTIAL SAFETY TRAFFIC COMPONENT? OKAY.
FOR THE, THE PROJECT IN AND OF ITSELF, I AM, UH, LIKE DAN, I'M SUPPORTIVE.
I, I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I DO HAVE SOME OF THE, THE TRAFFIC SAFETY CONCERNS THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE, HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED.
I THINK THESE WERE DISCUSSED LAST TIME AS WELL.
UH, HOPEFULLY THE CITY'S GONNA BE ABLE TO COME TO A, A FAVORABLE RESOLUTION THAT'S GONNA, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THE RESIDENTS ARE HEARD AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE SAFETY MECHANISMS CAN BE ADDRESSED.
BUT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, OF ALL THE 10 CONDITIONS AS, AS IT, AS WE CURRENTLY STAND.
UM, CONTRARY TO MY TONE,
WHAT I THINK IS UNIQUE HERE IS WE RARELY HAVE A PROJECT THAT PUTS THE SPACE FOR THE PUBLIC AS THE PRIMARY FOCUS.
WE USUALLY SEE A ONE BUILDING OBJECT, AND THEN AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT, SPACES ARE SORT OF TUCKED AROUND THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S VERY POSITIVE.
AND I, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THOSE WALLS STAY TWO STORY AROUND THAT SPACE BECAUSE THAT THOSE TWO STORY WALLS GIVE YOU THE DEFINITION AND THE CLOSURE THAT THAT SPACE NEEDS.
AND THE WAY THE SPACE IS INTEGRATED, I THINK IS VERY NICE.
YOU HAVE AN OBJECT BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE AND YOUR PATHWAYS ALL RUN TO THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S, IT IS REALLY WELL CONNECTED.
I LIKE THE MIXED USE THAT YOU'VE INCORPORATED.
PERSONALLY, I WOULD PREFER SOME RESIDENTIAL IN THERE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A MISNOMER THAT MULTIFAMILY IMPACTS RESIDENT SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY VALUES.
JUST LOOK AT VICTORIAN VILLAGE, RIGHT? SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE TWO STORY MASS ON BRIDGE STREET.
UM, MY ONLY RESERVATION,
THE ZONING STANDARDS SAY THIS IS A HISTORIC TRANSITION DISTRICT.
UM, AND WE'RE FREQUENTLY ASKED OR REMINDED HOW IS THIS PROJECT UNIQUE TO THE CHARACTER OF DUBLIN? AND I THINK, SO FOR THOSE TWO REASONS, I WOULD KEEP EIGHT IN THERE.
AND, AND, UH, AND, BUT I ALSO THINK THOSE PERIMETER ELEVATIONS, THE ONES THAT ARE KIND OF BACK OF BUILDING THE ONES THAT YOU MAYBE HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH TIME TO WORK OUT, I THINK THOSE NEED SOME ATTENTION TOO.
UM, BUT, BUT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.
MS. HAR, I'M, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.
UM, ONE THING I THINK THAT YOU'VE REALLY SET A TONE FOR IS THAT YOU'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THE PUBLIC, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
AND SO THEN WHEN YOU ARE CONTINUING TO DO THAT, THAT THE CITY COMES ALONG TO THOSE MEETINGS, WHICH THEY, 99% OF THE TIME WILL COME.
AND THAT WILL BE HELPFUL IN PUTTING THE TWO PEOPLE IN THE ROOM TOGETHER, YOUR TWO GROUPS TO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES, ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE GOOD NEIGHBOR THINGS AND SO FORTH.
SO I THINK THAT WILL BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
UM, I ALSO, UM, THINK THAT THIS IS A GATEWAY, AND I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO SLOW THINGS DOWN.
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MORE WE KIND OF GET INTO THAT 'CAUSE OF THE SCHOOL, POST OFFICE SHOPPING, THINGS OF THAT SORT, UM, NEEDS THAT FEEL THROUGH THERE.AND THE LIGHT IS, IS SO IMPORTANT.
I'M GLAD WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, AND THE WALKABILITY IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT.
AND I LIKE ALL THE NOOKS AND CRANNIES WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF GOING THROUGH WHERE, WHERE YOU CAN INVESTIGATE.
AND I GO BACK TO ACROSS THE STREETS OF SCHOOL.
THEY GO OVER TO S CLASSES, SCHOOL KIDS, THE, THE, THE CLASSROOMS WILL GO OVER AND SEE THE CEMETERY.
AND SO WHEN THEY'RE DOING THAT, THEY'RE GONNA COME OVER AND HAVE A NICE PLACE TO SIT TOO IN YOUR AREA.
AND IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY OF EXPOSING OUR KIDS, UM, TO JUST A BEAUTIFUL PLACE THAT THEY'RE LIVING IN AND, AND HOW FORTUNATE THEY ARE WITH THAT.
SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE BRINGING THAT, THAT TO YOU THERE AS WELL TOO.
AND I, YOU KNOW, ON THE BLANK WALLS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, I LIKE HOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE IVY, IF THERE'S A WINDOW TO STICK THAT IN THERE, IF THERE'S ART, KEEP THINKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ART OPPORTUNITIES THAT EITHER CAN GO ON A WALL OR, OR AROUND IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL TOO.
UM, LET ME MAKE SURE I'VE GOT MY LAST THINGS, BUT I DO APPRECIATE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALSO JUST THINKING ABOUT WHERE THE, WHERE THE NOISE MAY BE COMING, UM, THROUGHOUT, UM, THE DAY, IF IT'S IN THE EVENING, PICK UP DROP OFFS, THINGS OF THAT SORT, DELIVERIES SO THAT IT DOESN'T, UM, IMPEDE ON THE NE UH, NEIGHBORS THAT WAY TOO.
UM, YEAH, WELL, UM, WELL FIRST I'LL SAY THIS IS AGAIN, ONE OF THE OP ONE OF THE GREAT EXAMPLES OF THE PROCESS WORKING.
YOU GUYS ARE LISTENING, THE RESIDENTS HAVE, WE'VE HEARD HOW MANY TIMES NOW THE RESIDENTS, UH, COMMENTING ON THIS DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'RE ALL OBVIOUSLY LISTENING TO IT.
AND I MEAN, TO HEAR THE RESIDENTS BE SO SUPPORTIVE OF IT, JUST, JUST, AGAIN, SHOWS HOW WELL, HOW GREAT OUR PROCESS IS HERE IN DUBLIN AND HOW IT'S ALL WORKING.
ESPECIALLY WE HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT, THAT LISTENS AND PAYS ATTENTION, UM, AND WORKS WITH STAFF AND THE GREAT JOB STAFF HAS DONE TOO.
SO I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY FOR, FOR DOING THAT.
UM, I, I STILL, I, I ECHO A LOT.
I'M, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
UM, I DO THE, THE, IT'S THE TIMING OF THIS, THIS, THIS 1 61 IMPROVEMENTS I THINK IS GONNA BE REALLY CRITICAL.
'CAUSE I DON'T, I DO NOT THINK WE WANNA MOVE TOO FAR FORWARD WITHOUT THE LIGHT, WITHOUT SOME OF THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ON 1 61.
BUT THAT'S OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO REALLY, REALLY BE CONCERNED WITH THERE BE ADDRESS THE TIMING OF WHEN THOSE, UH, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE LOSING SLEEP OVER THE VACANT RETAIL BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THIS MUCH RETAIL AND THE LAST THING YOU WANNA DO IS HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL AREA THAT'S EMPTY STOREFRONTS.
SO I'M NOT GONNA LOSE SLEEPOVER IT IF YOU ARE.
SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED FOR THAT.
BUT AGAIN, OVERALL, I DON'T, I MEAN THAT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THE, THE, UH, THE IDEA IS, IS FANTASTIC.
UM, AND I THINK REGARDING NUMBER EIGHT, UM, ON OUR, ON OUR, UH, CONDITIONS HERE, UM, THE ARTICULATION ON THE REAR, YOU'VE GOT A VERY UNIQUE SITE WHERE YOU WANNA PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THE INTERIOR ELEVATIONS, BUT IT'S THE EXTERIOR OR THE PERIMETER ELEVATIONS OF ALL THESE BUILDINGS THAT'S PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE WHEN THEY APPROACH THE SITE.
SO I THINK MORE ARTICULATION ON THOSE, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT.
BUT IF, IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING TO IMPROVE THAT, AND, AND ESPECIALLY THE, THE, THE GARAGE ELEVATION THAT'S GONNA BE SO VISIBLE FROM THE, UM, FROM THE CEMETERY THERE WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND I DON'T DO THIS A LOT, BUT I'M GONNA DISAGREE WITH GARY ON THE, ON THE, UH, ELEVATIONS ON BRIDGE STREET.
I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC, I I I THINK THEY'RE GREAT.
I THINK IT'S, WE TALK ABOUT IT BEING A TRANSITION, IT'S NOT HISTORIC, IT'S A TRANSITION.
AND WITH THE BUILDINGS AROUND IT, THE SCHOOL, THE, THE HEALTHCARE BUILDING, KROGER, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES THERE.
AND I THINK IT, IT, IT PROVIDES A REALLY, REALLY NICE, HOW YOU'VE DESIGNED IT, A TRANSITION TO HISTORIC DUBLIN.
THIS IS A, I MEAN, IT'S NOT ADJACENT TO HISTORIC DUBLIN, IT'S NEAR HISTORIC DUBLIN.
SO I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE HISTORIC DUBLIN, BUT I THINK IT, AGAIN, I THINK IT DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF, OF TRANSITIONING ALL THOSE OTHER BUILDING TYPES IN THAT AREA.
UM, SO SORRY GARY, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT'S, I GOT, BUT AGAIN, APPRECIATE THE PROCESS AND, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND, AND THE, THE DETAIL IN BOTH PRESENTATIONS WAS, WAS FANTASTIC.
IT MADE THIS REALLY EASY FOR US TWO ARCHITECTS DISAGREEING.
SO I GUESS IT APPLIES FOR ARCHITECTS AS WELL.
BUT I'M GONNA TAKE GARY'S SIDE ON THAT LITTLE ARGUMENT.
AS YOU'VE HEARD FROM MY, UM, QUESTIONS BEFORE, AND MAYBE THIS COMES FROM OUR A RB HISTORY, BUT I SEE IT TRANSITIONING FROM THE HISTORIC SIDE.
IT'S NOT THAT YOU'RE COMING FROM BRIDGE PARK, WHICH IS MODERN
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AND SHOULD BE, THIS IS A DIFFERENT AREA AND KROGER'S IS SO DIFFERENT THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO TRANSITIONYOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE, I DON'T KNOW.
ANYWAY, I'M JUST GONNA REITERATE WHAT GARY SAID.
I LOVE THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND IT REALLY DEMONSTRATES THAT YOU HAVE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK AND I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT.
TO REITERATE WHAT YOU SAID, IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER FOR US WHEN THAT'S DONE IN ADVANCE.
UM, THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE NEIGHBORS, I'M GONNA LOOK TO THE CITY TO, TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND TO ADDRESS THEM AS WELL AND WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS TO, I CAN SEE THE CONCERN OF MONTEREY BECOMING A THROUGH STREET.
I TOOK IT MYSELF WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE, AT THE, THE LAND.
I ENDED UP GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH ONE MONTEREY, SO I CAN SEE IT BECOMING ONE.
UM, ALSO, UH, AGAIN, JUST REITERATE OTHER CONCERNS THAT THE TRANSITION FROM THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE EAST SIDE INTO THOSE PARKLAND AREAS, BE AWARE OF THAT TRANSITION AND MAKE IT GENTLER, UM, AS MUCH AS YOU CAN.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF THE TREES AND THE ROOT STRUCTURES AND ALL OF THAT, BUT TRY TO MAKE THAT AS WELL AS WE, WELL AS YOU CAN.
BUT I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CONCEPT, THE INFORMAL TO THE CONCEPT PLAN, UM, I THINK, AND OBVIOUSLY LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORS HAS BEEN A HUGE, UM, A HUGE THING BECAUSE THIS PROJECT HAS COME, THIS SITE HAS COME BEFORE SEVERAL TIMES WHERE THERE WASN'T THAT COMMUNICATION.
AND SO IT JUST, IT'S THE RIGHT THING.
UM, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU HEARD A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM THE COMMISSION YOURSELVES.
STAFF HAS HEARD THE SAME CONCERNS AND STUFF.
I THINK THE 10, UM, CONDITIONS ACTUALLY COVER EVERYTHING WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
DOES ANYBODY THINK THAT THEY DON'T, GIVEN THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS AND STAFF HAS RECORDED THEM, THEY'RE BEING RECORDED.
DO YOU THINK THAT WE CAN APPROVE THOSE 10 KNOWING THAT STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS? YEAH, I WAS GONNA ASK THAT.
KIM, DO WE NEED TO DELINEATE KIND OF THE, THE TWO SEPARATE THINGS? I'VE HEARD THAT, AND THEY COULD BE, AND I MAY HAVE MISSED THEM, WAS THE BRIDGE STREET ELEVATION AND THEN THE SOUTH ELEVATION WHERE IT WAS JUST THE, THE BACK WALL.
DO WE NEED TO SOMEHOW, I FEEL LIKE THAT IS EMBODIED IN EIGHT.
I THINK AGAIN, STAFF HEARD BOTH OF THOSE CONCERNS AND FROM THE EACH COMMISSIONER AND SO I THINK YEAH, EXACTLY.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF, IF THERE'S ANY CLARIFICATION THAT WE WANT TO GIVE TO THOSE.
AND, AND I, AND I ACTUALLY, UM, MS. HARDER REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING THAT WE TYPICALLY TALK ABOUT PUBLIC ART MM-HMM
AND WE USUALLY HAVE SOME CLAUSE THAT TALKS ABOUT WORKING WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION ON PUBLIC ART.
IS THAT AT THIS STAGE, OR ARE WE, IS THAT FDP THAT WE GET THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE? I, I THINK THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY, I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA VOICE THAT PREFERENCE TO THE APPLICANT, AND WE CAN WORK WITH THEM ON, UH, ANY INCORPORATION AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
BUT YES, IN TERMS OF THE APPROACH TO PUBLIC ART, EVENTUALLY WOULD BE, THE ART ITSELF WOULD BE, UH, IN COORDINATION WITH THE PUBLIC ARTS COUNCIL.
BUT USUALLY WE PUT SOMETHING IN IT ABOUT COORDINATING WITH THE ARTS COUNCIL SO THAT IT'S OFFICIAL.
DOES ANYBODY AGREE WITH ME OR WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDED AS A YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO DO IT NOW OR IN FINAL WHEN THERE'S MORE DETAIL OR IF THEY MM-HMM.
WELL, I THINK IT, WE SHOULD, I MEAN THE, THE ART LOCATION.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL APPLICATIONS WHERE THEY'VE HAD PUBLIC ART AND THEY KIND OF FOLLOW THE PROJECT THROUGH THIS.
I, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT DISCUSSION TONIGHT, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE TONE OF THE CONDITIONS NOW ARE TO WORK WITH STAFF.
SO TELLING THEM TO DISCUSS SOMETHING WITH ARTS COUNCIL IS NOT REQUIRING ANYTHING.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE PURVEY OVER THE ART.
BUT WE CAN ENCOURAGE THEM TO WORK WITH THE ARTS COUNCIL.
THAT'S ALL THAT STATEMENT WOULD BE, MR. BOGGS.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, IF, IF THE MAIN CONCERN IS WORKING BETWEEN NOW AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO IDENTIFY AT LEAST THE LOCATION FOR THE ART, UM, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT COULD BE MEMORIALIZED JUST AS A CONDITION WORK WITH STAFF AND THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL AS APPLICABLE TO IDENTIFY LOCATION, UH, FOR PUBLIC ART TO BE PRESENTED ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? MM-HMM
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SO BASSAM, I THINK YOU HAVE SOME TYPING TO DO.HEY, THE ONE, THE ONE PIECE I WANT TO KIND OF BRING UP, I, DAN MENTIONED IT, JAMIE MENTIONED IT, HILLARY'S ON ONE SIDE AND GARY'S ON THE OTHER.
I, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS REALLY TO THE BRIDGE STREET ELEVATION.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE CLEAR ON THIS.
'CAUSE I'M, I, I THINK JUST HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF LEAVING IT AS IT IS CURRENTLY SUPPO, UH, PURPORTED AS, AS JAMIE NOTED.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO, AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE STAFF WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAYBE INCORPORATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS, MAYBE RIGHT.
WITHOUT TRYING TO DESIGN IT FOR ANYBODY.
'CAUSE EIGHT ADDRESSES ALL THE ELEVATION ISSUES.
I'M JUST, WHAT, WHAT, I GUESS, SO I, I DON'T WANT THE APPLICANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY DON'T WANNA SWITCH IT AND THEY COME BACK TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN THERE COULD BE A, A SPLIT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT THAT'S NOT, NOT FAIR TO THE APPLICANT.
WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN LET IT GO IF YOU WANT.
COULD I MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT? JUST FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE? MY PERSPECTIVE ANYWAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF TYLER SHARES THE EXACT SAME THING, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS KIND OF FELT LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME COHESIVENESS ON BRIDGE STREET TO SAY THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL HAPPENING HERE THAT, THAT LEADS YOU TO THE BACK AND FEEL LIKE THERE'S A KIND OF THE COHESIVENESS OF THE BRIDGE STREET DESIGN ARCHITECTURALLY IS ALMOST A GATEWAY INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO FELT LIKE THAT'S KIND OF AN IMPORTANT CALL OUT TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT TO EXPERIENCE.
AND, UM, WE FEEL LIKE ONCE YOU GET INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PERSONALITY OF THE, WHAT YOU FIND BEHIND THE FRONT DOOR, UM, REALLY KIND OF TRANSLATES WELL AND, UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE KIND OF LEAVE TONIGHT, UM, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, UM, BROUGHT UP THE POSSIBILITY OF A ONE WAY OUT, UM, THROUGH PART OF THE PARK AREA THAT REALLY IS NOT UTILIZED BY THE PARK AND STILL WOULD BE BUFFERED FROM THE PARK EXPERIENCES.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT DIRECTION.
BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF, I KNOW THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY TAKING ANY KIND OF PARK LAND IS A NO-NO.
AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS.
THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUE PIECE OF PARKLAND THAT REALLY IS NOT PART OF THE COMMUNITY USE.
AND IT'S, I THINK IT WAS, COULD BE DONE IN A WAY THAT PARK IS STILL BUFFERED.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE USE OF THE PARK THAT DOES NOT GET COMPROMISED, NOR DO YOU EXPERIENCE THAT.
I MEAN, I, WE'D WANNA DO SOME STUDIES TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE THAT WOULD GO.
UM, BUT JUST WANTED TO GET FEEDBACK ON THAT.
I'M, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO EITHER MR. BOGGS OR MR. PETARD THAT, THAT, THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
IT'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY.
I DON'T THINK THIS COMMISSION CAN ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
SO THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND OKAY.
BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT FORUM, THEN IT GETS DECIDED IN IT'S CITY PARKS
BUT, UM, GENTLEMEN, YOU'RE UP AT THE, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE 10 CONDITIONS.
UH, MR. UM, UH, DESLER WAS GONNA ASK YOU TO COME UP AND SAY, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THESE? BUT I WANT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT PREMA PREMATURE.
SO, UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE STILL BACK BACK TO THIS ISSUE.
YOU MADE THE POINT ABOUT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL ON BRIDGE STREET.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THIS, THAT WORKING WITH STAFF MAYBE TO INTEGRATE SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS THAT YOU HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION TONIGHT? CERTAINLY WE ARE OPEN TO LOOKING AT MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS OR TWEAKS, BUT WE, WE, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE THINK THE DIRECTION WORKS WELL FOR THE DEVELOPMENTS.
I I DON'T WANNA LIKE ABANDON THE, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION OF WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LITTLE TWEAKS TO ROOF LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE, I'VE HEARD.
UM, BUT I, OUR HOPE IS, IS THAT THE COMMISSION CAN BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE KIND OF THE, UM, UNIFORMITY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE THERE ON, UM, BRIDGE STREET, PIGGYBACKING OFF THAT, SORRY.
UM, I THINK YOU'VE, YOU, YOU STAND AT THAT INTERSECTION, YOU SEE A LOT OF BROWN AND TAN EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK.
THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A KROGER THAT'S MM-HMM
THERE'S SCHOOL THAT'S SET BACK AND YOU SEE A LOT OF OLD, YOU KNOW, BROWN BRICK AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CEMETERY WITH SOME TREES AND JUST HAVING THIS POP MEANS THERE'S SOMETHING NEW HERE.
I JUST WORRY, IT GETS LOST IN A SEA OF BROWN IF THERE'S A, A RED BRICK THERE.
WE, WE'VE SAID THAT THIS, WE WANT THIS TO FEEL LIKE A FRESHNESS, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S STILL, YOU KNOW, THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE BUILDING STRUCTURES THAT HAPPENED BEHIND IT.
BUT WE, WE FELT, FELT LIKE THE, THE DEVELOPMENT
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NEEDS TO FEEL FRESH.IT NEEDS TO FEEL, AND, AND, AND THAT'S NOT JUST FOR WHEN IT OPENS THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, YEAR OR TWO.
IT'S, I THINK IT SPEAKS WELL TO THAT KIND OF GATEWAY APPROACH TO, TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT YOU EXPECT THAT YOU'RE ARRIVING AT SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, UNDERSTOOD.
I MEAN, YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE, THE COMMISSION TONIGHT, YOU'VE HEARD TWO COMMISSIONERS SPEAK THEIR OPINION.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE SPEAK OPPOSITE OF THAT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE COMMISSION IS SPLIT ON IT.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA SAY YOUR GOALS AND OURS AREN'T MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
I THINK THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CODE AND THE CODE THAT DEFINES THIS DISTRICT IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT EXTENDING THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T MAKE, I I I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD CHOP IT UP IN 15 FOOT INCREMENTS OR SOMETHING.
BUT, UM, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO RELATE MORE BASED ON WHAT'S THE LANGUAGE OF OUR CODE.
UM, SO, BUT, AND I'M NOT RULING OUT THE APPROACH MAKING A GATEWAY.
AND, AND, AND WE DO FEEL LIKE IT'S HIGH CHARACTER.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CHARACTER THAN WHAT YOU FIND BEHIND, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE STREET.
BUT WE, WE DO THINK IT'S HIGH CHARACTER, YOU KNOW, MAY, MAY I CLARIFY JUST IN TERMS OF THE INTENT THAT WE HAD IN WRITING THAT CONDITION WAS NOT NECESSARILY TO DRASTICALLY CHANGE ANYTHING.
IT WAS, AS MR. ALEXANDER IS TALKING ABOUT, KIND OF TYING IT INTO SOME OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE CODE THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE, UM, THE EXACT SAME CHARACTER AS THE REST.
I THINK IT WAS A FEW TWEAKS THAT WE WERE HOPING TO WORK THROUGH TO GET IT BACK TO SOME OF THOSE FUNDAMENTAL, UM, INTENTIONS OF THE CODE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
ANYBODY WANT TO, BASED ON THAT CHANGE ANY OF THE LANGUAGE HERE? NO, I'M GOOD WITH THE LANGUAGE AND I, I, I THINK WHAT WE NEED IS SUGGESTIONS, MORE SUGGESTIONS OF THE HISTORIC NATURE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, I I, I LOVE THE IDEA THAT IT'S A GATEWAY AND IT'S FRESH AND NEW REFLECTIONS MAYBE IS A BETTER WORD, BUT IT, IT SHOULD REFLECT WHAT'S GOING AROUND IT.
UM, I CAN SEE THE VISION TO THIS, BUT ALSO I THINK THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU USE TOO COULD ALSO HELP WITH THAT TOO.
I, I SAW AWNINGS ON THERE, I SAW DIFFERENT KIND OF LOOKS WITH THE WINDOWS AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT, WHICH MAY BRING US TO THAT ALTOGETHER.
BUT THAT FRESH FRESHNESS THAT POP, UM, IS, IS A GOOD DIRECTION.
WE HAVE TWO ME EX-MEMBERS OF THE A RB ON THIS COMMISSION NOW.
SO THEY ARE VERY ATTUNED TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT
I, I, I THINK TO, TO MR. ER'S POINT THOUGH, I THINK WE, WE DO HAVE JUST, UH, I THINK IT'S ITEMS TWO THROUGH FOUR.
UM, JUST WE WILL, WE WILL DEFINITELY WORK WITH STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, BASSEM'S BEEN A, A REAL PARTNER IN THIS PROJECT TO US.
UM, I JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE AVOID SOMETHING WHERE IT'S AN IMMEDIATE NO ON SOMETHING.
AND IF WE JUST WOULD'VE KIND OF HAD THE DISCUSSION NOW WE WOULD KNOW TO CHANGE SOMETHING.
UM, SO I, I THINK THAT THE DRY AISLE BEING 22 FEET, THAT'S, THAT'S TOO TIGHT IN THE SHORT NORTH.
I, I HAVE TO THINK IN A DUBLIN SUBURB THAT'S, UM, THAT, THAT'S REALLY TIGHT.
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE HAVE SOME, A DISCUSSION ABOUT FLEXIBILITY, UM, TO, TO MAKE THAT WIDER.
AND JUST SEC SEC SECOND PART OF THAT IS JUST THAT THIS COMMISSION'S TEMPERATURE ON THE SIX AND A HALF FOOT SETBACK ALONG THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, UM, THAT IS GONNA DRAMATICALLY CHANGE OUR, UH, SITE PLAN IF THERE HAS TO BE A SIX AND A HALF FOOT, UM, UH, BARRIER THERE.
SO IF THE COMMISSION'S LIKE Y YEP, YOU GUYS ARE DOING THAT, THEN WE'VE GOTTA GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON A LOT OF STUFF HERE.
SO THE LA THE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A FENCE ALSO ALONG THERE, JUST SO THE COMMISSION KNOWS IT'S, AND THE CODE IS, IT'S GOTTA BE SIX FEET 'CAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
MR. BIDAR, CAN YOU BRING ANY MORE CLARIFICATION TO THAT? THE, SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, THERE ARE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S NO SETBACK REQUIREMENT, THERE IS A BUFFER REQUIREMENT, AND THAT'S 10 FEET.
SO AGAIN, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S A DETAIL THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO WORK WITH STAFF ON TO WORK OUT.
AND, AND I SHOULD ALSO MENTION ONE OTHER THING IN TERMS OF, UH, PARKING, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUMPER OVERHANG, UM, BEYOND A CURB THAT THERE, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER NOW, WHETHER IT'S TWO AND A HALF FEET OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, THAT HAS TO BE AWAY FROM A PROPERTY LINE OR A PLANTING HEDGE OR OTHER THINGS SO THAT THE TIGHTER THAT LINE GETS TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THE ADDITIONAL WAIVERS OR ADDITIONAL, UH, DEVIATIONS WE ARE LOOKING AT.
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LIKE THE GRAPHICS OR SUPPORT TO REALLY DIG INTO THAT, IT'S HARD FOR US TO THINK ABOUT THE THAT.RIGHT? SO IF, IF YOU CAN COME BACK WORKING WITH STAFF AND SHOW US THE WHY YOU NEED, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK JUST KIND OF A, A DISCUSSION ABOUT JUST CAN WE COME BACK TO YOU IN GOOD FAITH WITH A DISCUSSION ABOUT A WAIVER FOR THESE BUFFER AND BORDER REQUIREMENT AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ALONG THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, ALONG WITH HOW CAN WE DEAL WITH THE TREE CONVERSATION? AND THAT ALSO GOES WITH THE WIDTH OF THAT DRIVE VILE.
JUST IF WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION IN GOOD FAITH THAT IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC NO, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE WITH OUR SITE PLAN AND WHERE EVERYTHING IS, AND WE'LL COME UP WITH JUSTIFICATION FOR IT.
AND TYLER, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ALSO THE, THE GARAGE ELEMENT THAT, UM, TOUCHES ALMOST THE, UM, CEMETERY IS A, YOU KNOW, SMALL SECTION OF THE FRONTAGE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF OUR SITE, BUT IT REALLY PROVIDES EFFICIENCY FOR THE GARAGE AND WE'D LOSE A BUNCH OF PARKING, I THINK IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT AND, AND, AND LEASEABLE SPACE.
SO, SO KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THE HOLISTIC, YOU KNOW, ALL THE 18 FEET OR WHOEVER IT IS ALONG THE MAJORITY OF THE GARAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, IS A, IT'S A, IS A, YOU KNOW, THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE THAT WE'RE DEDICATING TO THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS WITHIN A LESS THAN SEVEN ACRE SITE IS SIGNIFICANT.
UM, SO SOME COMPROMISE IN THE, YOU KNOW, TOTALITY OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
UM, WE, WE HOPE WILL BE KIND OF PART OF THAT PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE SAY IS, YOU KNOW, WE GET IT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE DOING A LOT TO PRODUCE A GOOD OUTCOME, BUT THERE'S SOME SMALL COMPROMISES POTENTIALLY.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THIS PLAN AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS THAT HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT.
AND SO I, I'M GUESSING THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME BACK TO US THAT WILL BE, THAT WE'LL HAVE TO SCRUTINIZE OVER.
I, I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT EXCEPT THAT THE LANGUAGE OF TWO, THREE AND FOUR IS MANDATORY.
AND SO IT'S NOT IMPLYING DISCUSSION, IT'S IMPLYING IT SHALL BE REDUCED TO NOT IMPLYING, IT IS STATING IT SHALL BE REDUCED TO 22 FEET.
THE WIDTH SHALL BE INCREASED TO ALLOW SCREENING.
YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THOSE ARE, I'M HOPING WE CAN HAVE MORE, BE MORE CONVERSATIONAL THAN JUST SAYING MUST BE.
AND, UH, THAT'S GONNA REJIGGER LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE A HUGE PORTION OF OUR SITE PLAN IF THAT'S GOTTA BE DONE.
WHAT, SINCE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IT TO WHERE IT'S GONNA BE IF WE'RE SUPPORTIVE, MIND YOU, THIS COMES DOWN TO US IN THESE CONDITIONS, THE DRIVE AISLE, UH, I MEAN IT'D BE THE APPLICANT SHALL WORK WITH EXACTLY.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.
THEY JUST ARE NOT WILLING TO CHANGE IT RIGHT NOW.
WELL, AND IT ALSO SUBJECT TO EMERGENCY ACCESS, ABSOLUTELY.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER LAYER THAT WE HAVEN'T GOT INTO.
I'D SUPPORT THE LANGUAGE WORK WITH STAFF TO REDUCE WIDTH WHERE POSSIBLE STAFF AND ALL THESE, RIGHT.
TWO ARE THREE AND FOUR THE ONES THAT ARE MANDATORY.
SO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY REMOVING THE SHALL COMPONENT OF IT.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE TWO LAWYERS ON THE, ON THE COMMISSION ALSO.
UM, BUT WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE YOU LOOK AT IT.
STAYING 'CAUSE IT'S, OR FURTHER ARTICULATION.
AND IN MY OPINION, WAIT, NOW IT SAYS ALL BLANK WALLS.
I'M THINKING OF THE ONE IN PARTICULAR ON THE SOUTH SIDE, SO, OH, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT
HE'S ONLY ASKING ABOUT THOSE THREE.
BEFORE, BEFORE I DO MORE WITH THE OTHERS.
DOES TWO LOOK LIKE IT'S IN D? YES.
OR EVEN SHALL YOU COULD SAY SHALL WORK WITH DEATH BECAUSE THAT'S THE LANGUAGE YOU USE WHEN THE OTHER ONES.
IS THAT SUFFICIENT THOUGH OF THE READING, THE, THE UPDATED? YEAH.
MR. BOGGS, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THOSE CHANGES? OKAY.
WE'RE STILL THERE MAKING CHANGES THOUGH, RIGHT? ASIM?
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DID WE ADD THE PUBLIC ART ONE IN? I WILL, I WILL DO THAT.OKAY, SO, UM, APPLICANT, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THESE 11 NOW? CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
WELL I WILL AC UH, ACCEPT A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING 11 CONDITIONS.
THAT WAS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, RIGHT? WITH 11 CONDITION.
UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
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BATAR, YOU CAN GET BACK TO YOUR DESK AND I HOPE YOU'LL ENTERTAIN US WITH COMMUNICATIONS.IF Y'ALL COULD, UH, MOVE OUT INTO THE LOBBY.
WE STILL HAVEN'T CONCLUDED THE MEETING.
UH, AGAIN, WHAT'S THAT? OR YOU CAN STAY AND LISTEN
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WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.ONE IS, UH, I PUT, UH, AT YOUR SEATS A FEW TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES WITH DIFFERENT CONFERENCES THAT THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION OR THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE OR SOME OTHER PLANNING RELATED, UH, ORGANIZATIONS HAVE WITH, WITH THE DATES THAT THOSE CONFERENCES ARE HAPPENING.
SO IF ANY OF YOU IS INTERESTED, PLEASE, UH, LET ME KNOW, EXCUSE ME, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE IN APRIL, TYPICALLY THE REGISTRATION AND THE, EXCUSE ME, HOTEL RESERVATIONS AND SO FORTH HAPPEN PRETTY QUICKLY.
SO, UM, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND WE'LL COORDINATE WITH THE, UH, WITH OUR STAFF TO GET YOU REGISTERED AND PLANNING ACCORDINGLY.
EVEN THOUGH I STOPPED TALKING A WHILE AGO, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S CATCHING UP WITH ME.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS ON FEBRUARY 19TH.
WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS, UM, FOR THAT MEETING.
SO WE WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHETHER YOUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO CANCEL THAT MEETING AND TAKE A LITTLE BREAK OR WHETHER, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE TO FOR STAFF TO PRESENT MAYBE A COUPLE OF THE EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING ON, AND IF SO, IF THERE ARE CERTAIN ONES THAT YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR.
UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, UH, SOME EXCITING THINGS THAT TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH AND, AND RECENTLY INCLUDING THE SIGNATURE TRAIL AND SOME OTHERS THAT WE COULD WORK WITH THEM ON.
UM, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT ARE AT DIFFERENT STAGES, UM, THAT MAYBE SOME OF 'EM MAY BE PREMATURE TO GET AN INFORMED FEEDBACK LIKE THAT CORRIDOR, UH, STUDY FOR BRIDGE STREET.
BUT, UH, UM, BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT YOUR PREFERENCE IS.
WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE PREMIER SPORTS COMPLEX OR IS THAT TOO PREMATURE FOR THAT? IT MIGHT BE TOO PREMATURE.
UH, THERE WILL BE A PRESENTATION TO, WELL, A WORK SESSION WITH COUNSEL TWO DAYS BEFORE THAT.
SO IT MAY BE A LITTLE PREMATURE IN TERMS OF, UH, PACKAGING ALL THE CONCLUSIONS.
UH, BUT, UH, AND, AND MR. WILL, WHO IS OUR RESIDENT EXPERT ON THAT, WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THAT MEETING.
BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING, UH, I KNOW MR. WAY, CHAIRMAN WAY YOU'RE ON THAT BOARD ALSO FOR THAT.
YEAH, WE HAVEN'T HAD A FOLLOW UP, UH, STEERING COMMITTEE YET, SO I'M NOT, I THINK I'M THINKING THAT'S PREMATURE.
UM, YEAH, SO IT WOULD BE LIKE THE SIGNATURE TRAIL AND SIGNATURE TRAIL AND I DON'T KNOW, UH, IF THEY, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME OTHER, UM, PROJECTS THAT TRANSPORTATION MORBIDITY ARE WORKING ON.
I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO PUT 'EM ON THE SPOT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD ALSO FILL YOU IN ON WHETHER, UH, SOME, SOME OF YOU ARE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE PUBLICITY ABOUT THE RIVERVIEW VILLAGE PROJECT IN, UH, HISTORIC DUBLIN THAT WENT TO THE A RB, NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN, WE CAN FILL YOU IN ON, UM, WHERE THAT IS IN THE PROCESS AND SOME OF THE NUANCES OF THAT PROJECT.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU RATHER TAKE A BREAK OR HAVE A PRESENTATION AND, OR A COUPLE PRESENTATIONS AND WE'D BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY IDEAS OR PROPOSE SOME POTENTIAL PRESENTATIONS TO YOU.
SO IS THE MEETING AFTER THAT ONE GONNA BE LIKE SIX DIFFERENT CASES? SO WE'D WANT IT TO HAVE A BREAK.
BUT YOU MAY REMEMBER WE HAD SOME, A COUPLE OF BIG ONES THAT WENT THROUGH PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR.
THOSE WILL PROBABLY TAKE A LITTLE WHILE LONGER, BUT AT SOME POINT THOSE ARE GONNA START, UM, APPEARING ON YOUR, UM, AGENDAS.
DO WE WANT TO, UH, CANCEL THE MEETING ON THE 19TH OR COME IN AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ONGOING? I THINK THE DEBRIEFING WOULD BE FUN.
I DO HAVE A SCHOOL CONFLICT THAT NIGHT.
I ALSO HAVE A CONFLICT THAT NIGHT.
I'M GOING TO NOT GONNA BE HERE, SO.
I'M ACTUALLY, I'M ACTUALLY GLAD THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CASES THAT I DON'T HAVE TO MISS ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY GOOD NEWS, MR. ALEXANDER.
I DON'T CARE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE DECIDES.
I THINK IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU
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CAN MAKE IT, UM, TO HEAR ABOUT SOMETHING THAT, SO WE CAN KEEP UP TO DATE ON A FEW THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING UP THAT YOU HEAR AT A DIFFERENT ANGLE.SO I WOULD SAY YES, I'M WITH MR. ALEXANDER
NO, I, I'D BE HAPPY TO COME IN AND BE IN INTERESTED TO HEAR.
I'M HAPPY I'LL BE ON VACATION ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE, SO I WAS GONNA TELL YOU NOT TO DROP ANYTHING OFF ON MY DOORSTEP, SO THAT WORKS OUT FOR ME.
I JUST, IF IT'S GONNA BE A LONG MEETING, THE NEXT ONE THEN LET'S NOT STAY AND HEAR INFORMATION UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK.
BASS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE GOING AHEAD WITH A MEETING.
AND ANY INITIAL THOUGHT AGAIN, WE, UH, PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED THE BETTER LIST OF, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS AND THEN REALIZED THAT A COUPLE OF 'EM WERE PREMATURE.
SO, UH, BUT WE HAVE, I'M SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH TOPICS THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN, BUT CAN WE LEAVE IT THAT WE'RE OPEN TO HAVING A MEETING? IF, IF YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER AN AGENDA THAT'S COMPELLING.
LET, LET US PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND MAYBE, UH, CIRCULATE IT TO ALL OF YOU AND SEE IF THAT'S, UH, THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND I, I WILL, SORRY, NOT LIKE, AND NOT TO MAKE MORE WORK FOR THEM, BUT I, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE TRAFFIC IS CONSTANT.
SO WHAT, THAT'D BE HELPFUL TO HEAR JUST THE UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE LATEST AND GREATEST ON THOSE PROJECTS.
AGAIN, NOT, SORRY TO MAKE MORE WORK FOR YOU.