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[CALL TO ORDER]
GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.YOU CAN JOIN, UH, THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE, AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVESTREAM ON THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CASES.
UH, UH, WILL YOU RISE FOR THE, UH, PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE? THANKS.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE FOR LIBERTY.
UH, NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE ROLL CALL.
MS. MAXWELL, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MR. ANDERSON HERE.
MS. DALESSANDRO IS ABSENT THIS EVENING.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
UH, NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS, UH, TO MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FOR OUR LAST MEETING ON DECEMBER 18TH, 2025.UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 18TH, 2025 MEETING.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, MS. MAXWELL.
AND, UH, MOVING ON TO THE PROCEDURES.
UH, EACH CASE THIS EVENING WILL BEGIN WITH A STAFF PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
THE BOARD WILL ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF FIRST, THEN THE APPLICANT, ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS, WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD UNDER EACH APPLICATION.
UH, PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON THAT'S ON THE MICROPHONE.
UH, AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
UH, NOW WE WILL BE, UH, SWEARING IN THE WITNESSES.
UH, ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT OF ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN.
PLEASE STAND, UH, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? NOW, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE OF THE APPLICANTS, UH, WAS ILL TODAY.
AND, UH, WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UH, UH, POSTPONE THEIR, UH, CASE, BUT, UH, THAT WILL REQUIRE A, UH, A MOTION.
[Case #25-116AA]
SO THE, UH, APPLICANT FOR CASE, UH, 25 DASH ONE 16 AA, THE KAUFMAN RESIDENCE FENCE AS REQUESTED TO POSTPONE THEIR HEARING DUE TO ILLNESS, THE APPLICATION FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL OF A DETERMINATION BY THE CITY OF DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DIVISION REGARDING WHETHER A NEW FENCE IS CONSIDERED A REPLACEMENT FENCE.THE 0.26 ACRE SITE IS ZONED R DASH FOUR SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED AT 7 0 6 8 ON SELMO COURTS.
UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE CASE TWO FIVE DASH 16 AA TO A FUTURE DATE? SO MOVED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, MS. MAXWELL.
[Case #25-120V]
ON TO THE SECOND CASE THIS EVENING.UH, IT'S CASE NUMBER TWO FIVE DASH 1 2 0 V.
UH, ALSO KAUFMAN RESIDENCE SPELLED DIFFERENTLY, UH, FOR A NON-USE AREA VARIANCE REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THREE NON-USE AREA VARIANCES TO ALLOW FOR A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO DEVIATE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE STANDARDS AND TO ALLOW FOR A DETACHED GARAGE TO ENCROACH INTO THE FRONT YARD.
THE SITE IS ZONED PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEER RUN AS IS LOCATED AT DEER RUN DRIVE.
UH, SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH, UH, STAT PRESENTATION BY, UH, TORY BRUBAKER, UH, PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
THE CASE BEFORE THE BOARD IS FOR FOUR NON-USE AREA VARIANCES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT DOES NOT MEET THREE CRITERIA RELATING TO OUR RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE STANDARDS, SPECIFICALLY RELATING TO ROOF REQUIREMENTS, TRIM REQUIREMENTS, AND GARAGE OPENING WIDTH REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT DOES NOT MEET OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS
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FOR DETACHED STRUCTURES.THIS IS LOCATED AT 4,700 DEER RUN DRIVE, AND TWO OF THESE REQUESTS TONIGHT WILL BE BASED ON THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER PROPOSED FOR THE SITE.
FOR THE NON-USE AREA VARIANCE PROCESS.
THIS IS A SINGULAR STEP FOR THE APPLICANT.
THE PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW THE BOARD TO DETERMINE WHAT UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE ASSOCIATED TO THE PROPERTY, WHETHER THERE ARE ANY NATURAL CHARACTERISTICS, AND WHETHER THERE WILL BE IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED, IF APPROVED, THE APPLICANT COULD APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE BOARD IF DISAPPROVED.
THE APPLICATION WOULD NEED TO BE MODIFIED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING CODE.
THIS SITE IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRES IN SIZE AND A ZONED PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DEER RUN ESTATES.
THE SITE IS LOCATED EAST OF DEER RUN ROAD IN DEER RUN RUN COURT, AND ADJOINS TO THE SCIOTO RIVER.
ACCESS TO THE PSYCH IS OFF OF DEER RUN ROAD, A CUL-DE-SAC LEADING INTO WHAT IS CURRENTLY A VACANT PARCEL.
THIS SUBDIVISION HAS THREE PHASES.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN SUB AREA A, WHICH CAN CONSISTS OF LARGER ESTATE LOTS, AND THERE ARE SMALLER LOTS IN A MORE CLUSTER LIKE STYLE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH.
THIS SITE HAS MANY SIGNIFICANT FEATURES, INCLUDING FLOODPLAINS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SCIOTO RIVER, AND DEER RUN A TRIBUTARY OFF OF SCIOTO RIVER, AND IT HAS MATURE VEGETATION THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
FOR PURPOSES OF THIS APPLICATION, THESE CONDITIONS WILL CREATE SCENIC NATURE FOR THE SITE, HELP DETERMINE THE LOCATION OF THE HOME, AND PROVIDE LIMITED VISIBILITY OF THE HOME.
THESE TWO MAPS SHOWCASE SEVERAL OF THE NATURAL FEATURES ON THIS SITE AND THE APPLICABLE CONDITIONS TO HOMES IN THIS PUD.
THE MAP ON THE LEFT SHOWS THE FLOODPLAINS ON THIS SITE, WHICH SURROUND THE PROPOSED HOME LOCATION AND SHOWS THE LIMITED BILLABLE AREA OF THE SITE AND THE MAP ON THE LEFT SHOWS OR ON THE RIGHT SHOWS.
THE CONTOURS ON THE SITE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE PROPOSED HOME IS IN THE AREA WITH THE LEASE GRADE CHANGE FOR THE SITE, AND WE CAN SEE THAT THE SITE SIGNIFICANTLY SLOPES DOWNWARDS TO THE SCIOTO RIVER AND DEER RUN TRIBUTARY.
THESE IMAGES SHOW SOME OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS FROM THE SITE.
BOTH OF THESE ARE FROM DUBLIN ROAD SHOWING THAT THERE IS NO VISIBILITY OF THE SITE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE VERY FEW SUBDIVISIONS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE THE LOTS IN THE SUBDIVISION.
MOVING ON TO OUR VARIANCE REQUESTS, WE GROUPED OUR FIRST THREE REQUESTS TOGETHER AS THEY ALL RELATE TO OUR RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE STANDARDS.
THE RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE CODE WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL IN MARCH OF 2004, AND IT CREATES MINIMUM DESIGN STANDARDS FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THESE STANDARDS ARE LESS APPLICABLE TO MOST RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AS WE'VE DEVELOPED INCREASED STANDARDS FROM DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND IMPLEMENTING MANY PUDS SINCE THIS WAS CREATED.
OUR FIRST VARIANCE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW ROOF PITCHES THAT DO NOT MEET THE MINIMUM ROOF PITCH REQUIREMENT FOR SECONDARY ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
OUR SECOND REQUEST IS TO ALLOW TRIM THAT WILL BE NARROWER THAN THE THREE AND A HALF INCHES REQUIRED AROUND THE WINDOWS OF ALL RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.
AND THE THIRD REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A COMBINATION OF GARAGE DOOR OPENINGS TO BE A MAXIMUM OF 38 FEET WHEN 36 FEET IS ALLOWED.
AND THIS DIAGRAM IS JUST TO SHOW THESE LOCATION OF, OF THESE GARAGES THAT THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS FOR, AND THEN AN AREA ARROW SHOWING WHERE ACCESS TO THE GARAGE IS LOCATED.
OUR LAST VARIANCE REQUEST WILL BE RELATED TO OUR GENERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND THIS IS TO ALLOW A DETACHED GARAGE TO BE FORWARD OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.
THIS REQUEST COMES AS THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITE AND HOME LAYOUT, AND OUR DETERMINATION OF THIS REQUEST WAS BASED ON WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE FRONT YARD ON THIS PROPERTY.
THE YELLOW LINE AT THE VERY FRONT SHOWS WHERE THE FRONT ACCESS POINT IS TO THE PROPERTY AND HOW THAT LINES UP TO THE FRONT OF THE HOME, SHOWING THAT THAT DETACHED GARAGE HIGHLIGHT IN YELLOW DOES ENCROACH INTO THE FRONT YARD.
MOVING ON TO A VARIANCE CRITERIA, A, WE GROUPED REQUESTS ONE AND TWO TOGETHER AS THEY BOTH RELATE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE HOME.
THERE ARE MANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS WITH THIS SITE.
IT'S MORE RURAL AND CHARACTER.
IN A TYPICAL SUBURBAN SUBDIVISION
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LOT, THE LOTS ARE VERY LARGE AND HAVE GREATER SUB SETBACKS.THIS AREA IS ALSO HEAVILY WOODED, SO WE BELIEVE THIS CRITERIA HAS BEEN MET.
AS FOR APPLICANT ACTION OR INACTION, THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AWARDS VARIANCE, AND THIS IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ANY ACTION OR INACTION BY THE APPLICANT, AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT THIS DOES NOT IMPAIR THE INTENT OF THE CODE.
THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE PROPOSED PROVIDES VISUAL INTEREST AND HIGH QUALITY DESIGN AND WILL, IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
TWO OF THE FOUR CRITERIA HERE ARE REQUIRED TO BE MET.
WE DO NOT BELIEVE ANY SPECIAL PRIVILEGES WOULD BE GRANTED HERE.
THERE HAVE BEEN SIMILAR CASES ALSO GRANTED FOR ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER.
AS SUCH, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD BE RECURRENT IN NATURE OR REQUIRE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE CODE.
WE DO NOT BELIEVE THIS WOULD IMPACT THE DELIVERY OF GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES IN ANY WAY, AND AS THIS IS RELATED TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE HOME, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ANY OTHER METHOD WOULD PROPOSE THE SAME HIGH QUALITY DESIGN.
MOVING TO VARIANCE NUMBER THREE, FOR THE GARAGE DOOR WIDTH, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THERE ARE SPECIAL CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE, AND THESE REQUESTS WOULD NOT HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY OR IMPAIR THE INTENT ON THE CODE.
WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE, THERE, THE CRITERIA FOR THE APPLICANT ACTION OR INACTION HAS NOT BEEN MET AS THIS VARIANCE IS DUE TO THE ACTION THE APPLICANT PURSUING A TOTAL WITH THE GARAGE DOORS THAT'S WIDER THAN PERMITTED.
THIS VARIANCE COULD BE AVOIDED IF THE WIDTH OF THE DOORS WERE REDUCED TO MEET CODE REQUIREMENTS.
THEN AGAIN, THIS REQUEST IS NOT RECURRENT IN NATURE, WOULD NOT IMPACT THE DELIVERY OF GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES, BUT WE DO BELIEVE THIS REQUEST WOULD GRANT SPECIAL PRIVILEGES TO THE APPLICANT AS ALLOWING THE TOTAL COMBINED GARAGE DOOR WIDTHS TO BE GREATER THAN 36 FEET WOULD GIVE THEM SPECIAL PRIVILEGES AND THEY COULD REDUCE THIS WITHOUT HARDSHIP.
WE ALSO DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE OTHER METHODS AVAILABLE AND THAT THIS COULD BE REDUCED BY TWO FEET TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF CODE.
LASTLY, FOR VARIANCE REQUEST NUMBER FOUR, FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE LOCATION, AGAIN, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SPECIAL CONDITIONS WITH THE SITE AND IT WOULD NOT IMPAIR THE INTENT OF THE CODE, NOR WOULD THERE BE ANY APPLICANT ACTION OR INACTION ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
AND FOR CRITERIA B, THIS WOULD NOT GRANT THEM ANY SPECIAL PRIVILEGES.
THIS REQUEST IS NOT RECURRENT IN NATURE.
THIS WOULD NOT IMPACT THE DELIVERY OF GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES.
WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE LAST CRITERIA FOR THERE BEING ANOTHER METHOD AVAILABLE IS NOT MET IN THIS CASE AS THE GARAGE COULD BE RELOCATED TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OR ATTACHED TO THE STRUCTURE TO CLASSIFY IT AS AN ATTACHED STRUCTURE.
BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT THIS CHANGE IN THE DESIGN WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE HOME.
PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF VARIANCE REQUEST NUMBER ONE AND TWO FOR THE MINIMUM ROOF PITCH AND MINIMUM WINDOW TRIM AS THEY MEET THE CRITERIA AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE BOARD.
PLANNING RECOMMENDS DISAPPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE FOR THE COMBINED TOTAL GARAGE DOOR WIDTH AS IT DOES NOT MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE, AND IT WOULD GRANT SPECIAL PRIVILEGES TO THE APPLICANT.
AND PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO ALLOW A DETACHED GARAGE TO BE FORWARD OF THE PRIMARY DWELLING AS WE BELIEVE IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE CODE AND IS CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS? CAN YOU, UH, REFERRING TO RECOMMENDATION OR I GUESS VARIANCE NUMBER THREE, THE GARAGE DOOR, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHY YOU, IT STATES IN HERE THAT YOU STATED THAT THE GARAGE DOORS ARE NOT PART OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THIS BUILDING, WHEREAS THE OTHER THINGS, THE ROOF AND THE OTHER THINGS ARE YES, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE TRIM AND THE ROOF PITCH ARE RELATED TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, AND THAT'S IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE
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IN A LOT OF THE MODERN HOMES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING BUILT IN DUBLIN AND HAVE BEEN APPROVED.AND EVEN THIS PUD SPECIFICALLY, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE GARAGE DOOR WIDTH IS RELATED TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO STATED UNDER OUR GENERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, BUT APPLIES TO SPEC SPECIFICALLY TO FRONT LOADED GARAGES.
WELL, IN OUR DETERMINATION BASED ON WHERE THE FRONT ACCESS POINT OF THIS IS, IT'S A SIDE LOADED GARAGE.
SO BEING THAT VERY MINOR DETERMINATION, THEN IT COULD KIND OF GO EITHER WAY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T DEEM IT AS BEING PART OF THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE HOME.
UH, COULD, UH, COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN ABOUT THE SIDE LOADING PART YOU JUST SAID I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
UNDER OUR GENERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THIS SAME LINE OF CODE THAT TOTAL COMBINED GARAGE DOOR WIDTHS CAN ONLY BE 36 FEET, IS ALSO LISTED UNDER THERE, BUT IT APPLIES SPECIFICALLY TO FRONT LOADED GARAGES.
SO IN THIS CASE, WE DID NOT NEED A VARIANCE FOR THAT SPECIFIC LINE OF CODE, BUT WE DID NOT DEEM IT AS GROUPING IN WITH THE OTHER ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS PER SE.
I THINK IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, I THINK FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS REQUEST, WHAT WE'VE TRADITIONALLY SEEN IN THESE IS THAT THE FIRST TWO REGARDING THE ROOF PITCH AND THE TRIM ARE VERY MUCH TIED TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE GARAGE DOOR WIDTHS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TRADITIONALLY SEEN.
I WOULD LOOK TO THE APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN HOW THEY FEEL THAT FITS INTO THAT, BUT JUST BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE, UM, AND OUR EXPERTISE, WE, WE JUST DID NOT FEEL THAT THE GARAGE DOORS, EVEN IF THEY WERE TO SHORTEN TO MEET CODE, THAT I THINK IT WOULD STILL FIT IN WITH THE, UH, THE CHARACTER THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
DOES THE FACT THAT IT'S A DETACHED GARAGE, DOES THAT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE, DOES THAT HAVE ANY BEARING AS TO THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURE OR THE VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THE DETACHED GARAGE IS FOR THE GENERAL DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GROUPED IN WITH THE RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE STANDARDS.
THE, UH, THE FRONT YOU CONTINUE, SORRY.
YEAH, AND THE DETACHED GARAGE.
SO THE, THE VARIANCE FOR THE GARAGE DOOR WIDTHS IS ONLY APPLICABLE IN THIS CASE TO THE ATTACHED GARAGES THAT WERE SHOWN IN THE ELEVATION.
THE DETACHED GARAGE DOOR WIDTH IS OUT OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S LOOKING AT EVERYTHING ON A PLANE.
UM, WHEN YOU, FOR THIS HOME, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE FRONT PLANE OF THE, THE HOME, IT SPANS 38 FEET OF GARAGE DOOR WIDTH ON THAT PLANE.
THE GARAGE, THE DETACHED IS NOT A PART OF THAT, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY ONLY, UH, PERTAINING TO THE ATTACHED GARAGE.
AND THE, UH, DISTINCTION BETWEEN A FRONT LOADING AND A SIDE LOADING GARAGE IS REALLY DUE TO THE ORIENTATION OF THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION AS IT'S BEEN DETERMINED BY, UH, UH, THE, HOW WAS THAT DETERMINED? I SUPPOSE WE COULD STEP BACK THERE.
IN THIS SITUATION, WE DETERMINED IT BASED ON HOW THE GARAGE DOORS ARE ACCESSED.
UM, USUALLY IN A TYPICAL SUBURBAN SUBDIVISION IN DUBLIN, IT'S GOING STRAIGHT INTO THE GARAGE, WHERE IN THIS CASE, WITH THE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE LOT, IT'S GOING AT THE SIDE ANGLE INSTEAD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I GOT A, A FOLLOW UP.
UM, AGAIN, I MIGHT HAVE MISHEARD YOU OR JUST ASKING YOU TO CLARIFY, WHEN YOU SAID THESE ARE DETERMINED TO BE SIDE LOADING GARAGES, IF THEY WERE FRONTLOADING GARAGES, WOULD THAT 36 FEET STILL APPLY OR WOULD IT NOT APPLY OR, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE IF IT, IF IT WAS A FRONT LOADED GARAGE, THE 36 FEET REQUIREMENT WOULD APPLY, BUT IF IT, BUT IT DOESN'T NORMALLY, SO IT'S APPLICABLE IN EITHER CASE.
UM, THE, THE STANDARD THAT WE ARE APPLYING TONIGHT IS IN THE RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE STANDARDS, WHICH APPLIES TO ALL GARAGE DOORS WITHIN THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
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THE SAME REQUIREMENT APPLIES, BUT IT SPECIFIES THAT IT'S REALLY FOR, UM, FRONT LOAD GARAGE.SO I THINK THERE'S SOME OVERLAP BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO WE'RE APPLYING WHAT IS MORE UNIVERSALLY APPLIED WITH THESE GARAGES.
OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, WELL, UH, APPRECIATE THE, UH, PRESENTATION, UH, FROM STAFF, UH, AT THIS TIME.
UH, WE RE REQUEST THE, UH, APPLICANTS, UH, TO APPROACH THE, UM, MICROPHONE, UH, ENSURE THAT, UH, IT IS POWERED ON.
UH, WE'LL HAVE YOU, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND STATE YOUR ADDRESS.
UH, JEFF MEIR MEIR HOMES, UH, 1 0 4 7 3 MCKENZIE WAY.
UH, WE ARE THE HOME BUILDER OR THE, UH, KAUFMAN RESIDENTS.
UH, SO I WANTED TO START OFF BY THANKING THE STAFF.
THEY HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UH, SPECIFICALLY ZACH AND, AND TORI.
WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM QUITE A BIT TO GET THROUGH MANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS JUST WERE ASKING.
UM, I THINK AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS QUITE THE HOME, RIGHT, AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT, UH, OF JUST STANDARD CHARACTER.
SO, UM, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, MIKE AND LINDA APPROACHED US WITH THE VISION TO CREATE A TRULY SPECIAL HOME TO ATTRACT THEIR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS.
AND, UH, THEY HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE THAT IS REALLY TRULY SECOND TO NONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO BE OUT THERE TO THE PROPERTY, BUT I DON'T THINK I HAVE SEEN A MORE BEAUTIFUL LOT.
WE'VE CERTAINLY NEVER BUILT ON A MORE BEAUTIFUL LOT, UH, ANYWHERE.
SO, UH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE, UH, UH, UM, GATHERED A GROUP OF WORLD RENOWNED ARCHITECTS, LAND PLANNERS, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, UM, DESIGNERS, UM, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE TO CREATE A KIND OF A 30,000 FOOT VIEW OF THE SITE, WORK OUR WAY DOWN INTO IT, UH, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT VIEWS, TOPOGRAPHY.
THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL TOPOGRAPHY HERE.
NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE IT FALLING DOWN TOWARDS THE RIVER, THAT'S THE EASY PART.
THERE'S LITERALLY A CLIFF ON THE DEER RUN SIDE THAT GOES DOWN OFF OF THE PROPERTY.
I THINK AS, AS, AS TORI SHOWED YOU EARLIER, THERE, IT'S A FIVE ACRE SITE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY TIGHT WINDOW GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE LAND ON WHERE WE CAN BUILD, UH, THE HOME.
AND SO TOOK ALL OF THOSE THINGS INTO ACCOUNT AND INCLUDING, UH, SIGHT SIGHTLINES TO NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, UM, AND HOW THIS WOULD SIT ON THERE TO CREATE THE FLOOR PLAN AND THE SITE THAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE THINGS GOING INTO CREATING A VERY UNIQUE, YOU KNOW, HOME THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT.
SO, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF THE VISION ON HOW WE'VE TRIED TO TACKLE SOME OF THESE THINGS.
UH, SOME OF THOSE, WHEN YOU CREATE SOMETHING AS UNIQUE AS, AS THIS IS, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T FIT QUITE WITHIN THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, SOME OF THE CODE, UH, REQUIREMENTS THERE.
AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO IRON OUT HOW DO WE GET THROUGH, UM, WITH THE MODERN ARCHITECTURE OF IT.
UH, I THINK THAT KIND OF TENDS TO BE THE EASIER PIECE OF THIS TO, TO, TO ANSWER.
UH, THEN IT GOES INTO THE SECOND PART OF FRONT LOAD GARAGES, THE DETACHED GARAGE, UM, AND THEN EVEN THE, THE SIZE OF THE GARAGE DOORS.
AND SO, UM, I THINK IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY AND THEN CERTAINLY OPEN MYSELF UP TO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
BUT, UH, AS YOU COME DOWN AND TORI, WOULD YOU BE SO KIND TO PUT UP THE RENDERING THAT YOU HAD ON THERE THAT WOULD BE MAYBE VERY HELPFUL.
UM, THE MIDDLE RENDERING HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS, THIS IS THE VIEW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE AS YOU COME DOWN THE LANE AND APPROACH THE HOME.
AND, UM, SO IT'S GONNA VERY MUCH PRESENT AS A SIDE LOAD GARAGE IN REALITY, EVEN THOUGH WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLANS, UM, FROM THE 30,000 FOOT VIEWER FROM THE OVERHEAD, AND TECHNICALLY THEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DISPARITY ON WHICH, WHICH WAY THAT ACTUALLY IS FACING.
SO AS YOU COME DOWN HERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT RENDERING, THERE IS THE FREESTANDING GARAGE TO THE RIGHT OF THAT IS THE CLIFF THAT GOES INTO THE RAVINE.
AND WHEN, I MEAN, IT'S A CLIFF, LIKE YOU LITERALLY FALL OFF, FALL OFF THE CLIFF.
AND SO WE'RE OVER AS FAR AS WE CAN GO THERE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID HERE AS WE, AS WE TOOK THIS VANTAGE POINT AND THIS APPROACH TO COME TO THE HOME IS, IS THAT THE, THE LOT OBVIOUSLY CONTINUES TO FALL TO THE LEFT IN THIS VIEW TOWARDS THE RIVER.
AND WE WANTED TO CREATE A VERY NICE, APPROACHABLE USABLE DRIVEWAY TO COME IN AND THEN BE ABLE TO TURN INTO THE GARAGES, UM, SHIELD THE GARAGES FROM NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME NOT APPROACH THE HOUSE AND BE STARING AT GARAGE DOORS AS WELL.
SO, UH, WE HAD TO CREATE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SPACE BETWEEN THE GARAGES IN ORDER IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
AND THE SIZE OF THE GARAGE DOORS IS TWOFOLD.
SO ONE OF 'EM IS THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE HOME AS LARGE.
AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO SCALE THOSE GARAGE DOORS VISUALLY TO MATCH THE, THE SIZE IS, SO THERE'S THREE TENS
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IN ONE EIGHT FOOT DOOR THERE, UH, FOR THE TOTAL OF THE 38, AND THE TENS ARE ON THE LARGER MASSING.THE EIGHT BECOMES ON THE SMALLER MASSING, AGAIN, KIND OF KEEPING THAT PROPORTION THAT WE HAVE THERE.
AND SO IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THOSE GARAGE DOORS, THE FIRST ONE IS THE EIGHT, AND THEN THE 10 OR THE NEXT THREE ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE, ONE OF THE NEXT MOVES THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE THERE IS, IS AS WE NEEDED THE OTHER GARAGE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE THAT GARAGE TOWARDS ANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE WORKED ON IS, IS TRY AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO REMOVE ANY ADDITIONAL TREES THAN WE ALREADY KIND OF HAD IN ORDER TO CREATE AN ENVELOPE FOR, FOR THE HOME.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO PLACE THE GARAGE DOORS FACING EACH OTHER TO CREATE ESSENTIALLY A COURTYARD OF A GARAGE.
AND SO WHILE THERE IS 38 FEET ON THE ONE SIDE, WE ARE SHIELDING, I DON'T WANNA SAY ALL OF IT, BUT MOST, OR SOME OF IT ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH THE, WITH THE OTHER GARAGE.
SO NONE OF THESE DOORS ARE FACING OUTWARD TOWARDS ANY OF ANY NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF SELF-CONTAINED WITHIN THERE.
UM, THE LAST PART OF THE GARAGE PIECE THERE WOULD BE AS IS YOU COME DOWN, BECAUSE WE ARE BETWEEN TWO STRUCTURES AND WE ARE SILOED, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS YOU'RE TURNING LEFT INTO THE GARAGE DOORS, THAT WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH OF A KIND OF TARGET, IF YOU WILL, TO GET THROUGH AND MAKE THAT LEFT HAND TURN COMFORTABLY INTO THE GARAGE DOOR WITH A FULL SIZE SUV OR A CAR AND NOT FEEL LIKE WE HAD TO REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, PLAY MUSICAL CHAIRS WITH THE CARS IN AND OUT OF THE GARAGES.
SO THAT IS, UH, ONE, ONE PORTION OF THE, OF THE, UM, THOUGHT PROCESS THERE ON THE SIZE AND AND SCALE OF THOSE.
SO BOTH VISUAL, UH, SCREENING AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF PRACTICAL USE THERE ON THE DAILY OF GETTING IN AND OUT OF, OUT OF THE GARAGE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF MY, MY PIECE ON, ON THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'VE DONE A, A, A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING TO YOU THE REST OF IT.
I WON'T REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE ALREADY, UH, COVERED AND, AND VERY WELL WITH YOU.
BUT WITH THAT, I WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS AND OKAY.
UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY.
SO IN THE MIDDLE PICTURE, UM, THERE'S THAT BLUE, BLUE CAR.
AND IS THAT FACING TWO OF THE GARAGES, THAT BLUE CAR? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? AND THEN RIGHT BEHIND IT IS THE DETACHED GARAGE, THE ADDITIONAL GARAGE, YES.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE EIGHT FOOT, IS IT? UM, SO IF YOU, AS YOU COME DOWN HEADING TOWARDS THE HOUSE, THE THE THREE, THE FOUR GARAGE DOORS ARE ON THE LEFT THERE.
THE VERY FIRST ONE WOULD BE THE EIGHT FOOT, THAT'S THAT SMALLEST MASS YOU SEE.
AND AS THE GARAGE MASSING GETS A LITTLE BIT LARGER, THEY SCALE UP.
THAT FIRST GARAGE BEING PROBABLY MORE LIKE LAWNMOWER, GOLF CART, BIKES, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND THEN THE, THE GARAGE IS CLOSER TO THE HOME BEING THOUGHT MORE OF IS THE CAR STORAGE FOR THAT SECTION.
UH, SO YOU MENTIONED THE, UH, UH, YOU ALLUDE TO THE, UH, TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UM, UH, JUST HOW STEEP IS THE, UH, THE CUTOFF AND, AND, UM, IT, IF WE HAVE LIKE A, COULD YOU BRING UP THE, UH, ABOVE, THAT'D BE PERFECT.
UH, CAN YOU SORT OF, UH, WALK US THROUGH HOW STEEP THAT, THAT DROP OFF, THAT DEC DECLINE IS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND WHERE IT WOULD BE, SO IF YOU WERE TO LOOK IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER HERE, WHICH WOULD ALSO BE THE NORTHWEST, GENERALLY THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, YOU'RE GONNA ENTER THERE AT THE END OF DEER RUN.
UM, AND IT'S A DEAD END RIGHT NOW.
AND IMMEDIATELY WE GO DOWNHILL, AND THEN AS WE COME DOWN, WE WILL, OUR DRIVEWAY WILL VEER TO THE RIGHT AND WE'LL START TO HEAD SOUTH ON THE PROPERTY.
AND YOU SEE THE TOPO LINES ARE VERY HARD THERE, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE TO THE LEFT PROPERTY THAT IS THE, IS THAT, THAT'S THE DEER RUN CREEK THAT COMES THROUGH THERE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
THAT IS, WHEN I SAY A CLIFF, LIKE IT'S, IT IS ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS, BUT IT IS AN ABSOLUTE CLIFF.
LIKE IT'S, YOU FALL OFF, LIKE WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE A FENCE FOR SAFETY THERE.
SO WE'RE, AND THERE'S A FLOODPLAIN LINE THAT COMES AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERING ON, ON TEETERING THE LINE UP TO THE FLOODPLAIN, UH, THAT, THAT CONTINUES KIND OF FROM THE NORTHWEST DOWN TOWARDS THE SOUTH, AND THEN IT WRAPS AROUND TOWARDS THE TTA RIVER THERE ON THE SOUTH AND THEN HEADS BACK TO THE NORTH.
UM, NOW THE GRADE FROM THE HOUSE TOWARDS THE SCIO RIVER IS MORE GRADUAL THAN, THAN THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF IT, BUT IT IS HEADING OFF AT A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL RATE DOWN TOWARDS THE RIVER.
UM, SO WE'RE KIND OF IN A LITTLE BIT OF A HONE WEDGE TYPE OF A, OF A SPACE THERE, AND IT'S THE GRADES WE'RE KIND OF ON THE, THE RIDGE, IF YOU WILL, A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN IT, IT HEADS OFF IN, IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
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YOU.UM, SO THE LOCATION OF THE HOME IS ESSENTIALLY SET WHERE IT HAS TO BE, UM, GIVEN ITS SIZE AND SCALE, BUT NOTWITHSTANDING, BUT YEAH.
UM, SO, UH, IS, I MEAN, I GUESS GETTING RIGHT DOWN TO THE, THE POINT, IS THERE A, UH, A REASON WHETHER IT BE AESTHETIC OR UTILITARIAN THAT, UH, THE MAXIMUM SIZE OF THE GARAGE WOULD BE SCALED UP TWO FEET, NOT TWO FEET DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE THREE SIX ALLOWABLE AND THE 38 FEET REQUESTED? SO IT, IT'S, IT'S THERE KIND OF IN KEEPING WITH THE SCALE OF THE HOME TO, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, UM, AND ON THE OVERALL SCALE OF THE STRUCTURE, AND THEN THE DOORS THEMSELVES KIND OF MATCH THAT PORTION OF IT.
BUT THEN ALSO THAT KIND OF THE PRACTICAL PIECE OF MAKING SURE, GIVEN WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH ROOM BETWEEN THE GARAGES, UM, TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND TAKE A LEFT AND, BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME BE ABLE TO BACK OUT OF THERE.
SO THE, A LITTLE BIT WIDER GIVES YOU JUST A, JUST, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE GENEROUS TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND OUT WITHOUT FEELING LIKE YOU'RE RUNNING INTO TO THE GARAGE DOORS ON A CONSISTENT BASIS.
UM, YEAH, I, I BELIEVE, UM, WE'VE ENCOUNTERED SITUATIONS WHERE, UH, EITHER BACKING IN OR MOVING OUT, IT WAS, UH, REQUIRED THAT, UM, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SPACE BE, UH, PROVIDED TO ALLOW FOR, UH, EASIER, UH, MOTION FOR, FOR, FOR VEHICLES.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, ANTICIPATED, UH, UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES AS WELL? I'M SORRY, COULD YOU SAY REPEAT THE FIRST PART OF THAT? SURE.
SO THE, THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY, THE SIZE AND SCALE, SOMETIMES WE'VE ENCOUNTERED, UM, SITUATIONS WHERE, UH, EXTRA ROOM IS NEEDED FOR MOBILITY OF THE, OF THE VEHICLE MM-HMM
UH, IS THAT, UH, SOMETHING THAT IS ANTICIPATED, UH, WITH THIS CONSTRUCTION AS WELL? YEAH, CORRECT.
AND SO WE TRIED TO KIND OF PUSH THOSE STRUCTURES AS FAR AS WE COULD WITH THE, WITH THE FLOODPLAIN BEING KIND OF ON BOTH SIDES OF US IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WE COULD GET A, YOU KNOW, A REASONABLE SIZED CAR IN THERE.
UM, AND IF YOU KIND OF IMAGINE MAYBE YOUR OWN HOMES WHERE YOU'VE GOT A EITHER A EIGHT, NINE, OR A 16 FOOT WIDE GARAGE DOOR, OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGER THE DOOR, IT'S EASIER TO GET IN.
AND IN SOME CASES THAT'S IMPORTANT IN SOME CASES, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU'RE COMING FROM.
AND SO, UH, WITH THIS CASE COMING STRAIGHT IN AND THEN TAKING THAT THAT LEFT, WE'VE TRIED TO ACCOUNT FOR AS MUCH SPACE AS WE CAN, UM, AND THEN GIVE OURSELVES ENOUGH OF ATTORNEY RADIUS FOR THAT.
IS, AM I, AM I ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION? YES.
UM, YEAH, I, I THINK IT, IT'S, UM, THE, THE DIFFERENCE OF, OF TWO FEET, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT TURNING A, UH, SAY LIKE A TWO CAR GARAGE INTO A THREE CAR GARAGE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT, IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE THAT, UH, THAT DIFFERENCE WOULD BE MADE SOMEWHERE ELSE IF THERE'S LIKE A, UH, A NON-SCALABLE, A NON-SCALE, UH, AESTHETIC, UH, PURPOSE.
THAT'S, UH, THAT WAS IN MIND IN THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, UH, GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT POINT.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO,
UH, I BELIEVE YOU, UH, YOU MAY BE SEATED, UH, WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP, BUT, UH, THANK YOU, UH, AT THIS TIME WE WILL MOVE ON FOR, UH, QUESTIONS TO THE BOARD.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, PERTAINING TO THE OR, OR JUST A GENERAL, GENERAL DISCUSSION? UM, I GUESS I'M STILL, UH, I'M STILL STRUGGLING.
LIKE THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALL PART OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN WHEN HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE SCALABLE SCALABILITY OF THE HOUSE.
AND, UM, AND I I, I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH WHY THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED THE SAME AS A ROOF LINE AND THE, THE ROOF PITCH AND THE WINDOW THING.
UM, UH, I SUPPOSE, UH, MAYBE THERE'S, WE WOULD REQUIRE SOME GREATER CLARIFICATION ON WHY THAT WOULD NOT BE JUST A, WHY THAT WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED OR, UH, THAT, THAT IT WOULDN'T BE, UH, CONSIDERED UNDER THE SAME, UH, CONSIDERATIONS AS SAY THE, THE ROOF PITCH OR THE WINDOW TRIM, UH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO BE CONSIDERED THERE.
UH, I MEAN THAT IS, THAT IS STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE.
IF THE BOARD VIEWS THAT DIFFERENTLY, THEN THAT IS ENTIRELY YOUR PREROGATIVE AND PERSPECTIVE
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TO DO SO.UM, THAT IS JUST BASED ON HOW, HOW WE ANALYZED IT.
WE FELT THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE MITIGATED, UM, AND STILL MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE HOME.
THAT'S JUST WHERE STAFF HAD HAD COME FROM WITH US.
UM, I SAW IN OUR MATERIALS THERE WAS, I THINK IT WAS THE COTTERMAN RESIDENCE AND IT HAD A, UH, A 40 FEET OF GARAGE THAT STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR VARIANCE THERE, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY PERSPECTIVE ON WHY THAT ONE WAS.
AND THIS ONE IS NOT FROM THE STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW.
OBVIOUSLY I WOULDN'T TREAT IT AS PRECEDENT.
UM, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE INSIGHTFUL TO KNOW.
UM, WE DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE DETACHED GARAGE TO BE IN THE FRONT YARD AS WELL.
WE RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL OF THE, UM, GARAGE WIDTHS TO BE GREATER THAN 36 FEET.
SO, WELL, THERE WAS, IT WAS, I THINK COTTERMAN, THERE WAS AN APPROVED 40 FEET OF GARAGE DOORS, LIKE FOUR GARAGE DOORS TOTALING 40 FEET.
SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW, UM, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PROCESS, WHY THOSE GARAGE DOORS WERE.
AND IF YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW, THAT'S FINE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WAS THREE YEARS AGO.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PERSPECTIVE.
NO, I DO SEE THAT THAT IS TRUE.
I, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU AT THIS MOMENT.
UM, HAPPY TO LOOK BACK, BUT REGARDLESS, I, I THINK THE POINT STANDS THAT IF, IF THE BOARD DOES FEEL THAT, THAT IT IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE, THE CHARACTER, THEN, UM, THAT IS, YEAH.
AND I MEAN, I AGREE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT VERY WELL COULD BE ARCHITECTURAL, AND I ALSO, I THINK PATRICK AND, UM, WAS MAKING SOME GOOD POINTS AS TO UTILITY.
UM, SO I'D BE INCLINED TO FIND THAT, UM, THAT NUMBER TWO IN, IN A, UH, WOULD BE MET, UM, AT THIS TIME AS TO THE GARAGE DOOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, PLEASE? THINKING ABOUT IT? JUST A COMMENT ON THE GARAGE DOOR, IS IT, I CAN SEE HOW THE, THE LARGER SIZE DOES SEEM TO FIT WITH THE SCALE OF THE HOME AND THAT THE WAY THE, UM, DETACHED GARAGE IS SITUATED, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU AREN'T VIEWING THE GARAGE DOOR.
SO I THINK AESTHETICALLY IT'S STILL VERY PLEASING AND IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THE STANDARD, UM, UH, RECOMMENDATION.
SO I WOULD BE INCLINED TO, TO APPROVE THE GARAGE DOOR WIDTH, I SUPPOSE.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF THE AESTHETICS, WE, IT WAS ESTABLISHED THAT THERE IS A LOT OF MATURE VEGETATION, UM, IN AND AROUND THE PROPERTY.
UH, SO GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THAT, UH, AND, AND, UH, THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE, THE REASONS WHY THIS LOCATION WAS, WAS CHOSEN, UH, WOULD IT BE VISIBLE FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA? WOULD IT BE VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD, OR WOULD IT BE OBSCURED BY THE, UH, THE VEGETATION? UM, WHO, WHOSE VANTAGE POINT WOULD BE, UH, UH, BE SORT OF BE LOOKING AT THIS FROM LIKE A, FROM AN OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE? SURE.
THE GARAGE WOULD BE COMPLETELY SCREENED FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I CANNOT COMPLETELY SPEAK TO OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, BUT I WOULD HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY SCREENED DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF VEGETATION THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THAT MORE.
UH, YEAH, IF, IF YOU WOULD, JUST SO WE CAN GET CLARIFICATION ON, I BELIEVE THE MICROPHONE IS STILL ON THOUGH, SO.
UM, YEAH, I, I THINK THAT TO HER POINT IS THERE'S A, IT'S A, A HEAVILY WOODED, UH, AREA AND, UM, THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH FACED IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, SO IN THE WAY IT KIND OF STAYS IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROPERTY, SO WE'RE ABOUT AS FAR AWAY FROM EVERYBODY ELSE AS WE CAN GET.
UM, IT'S NOT THAT MAYBE YOU COULDN'T SEE IT FROM A DISTANCE, BUT IT WOULD BE THROUGH HEAVY, HEAVY HARDWOOD TREES.
UH, AND THEN IN THE SUMMER, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD SEE IT FROM ANYWHERE, UM, MAYBE THIS TIME OF YEAR, MAYBE FROM A VERY FAR DISTANCE, BUT THAT WOULD BE ABOUT IT.
UH, YEAH, THAT'S NOT TO IMPLY THAT IT WOULD, UH, IT'S NOT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING OR THAT IT WOULD BE AN EYESORE OR ANYTHING OF, OF THAT NATURE.
WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, UH, WHO DETERMINE WHO THE OBSERVERS WOULD BE AND, UH, UH, WHAT THEIR PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE ON, ON
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THE MATTER.UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR ANYTHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO ADDRESS? UM, WELL, I'VE, WE WILL ADDRESS QUESTIONS AND WE'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN OKAY.
UH, I GUESS AT THIS POINT, UH, THANK YOU.
AT THIS POINT, ARE THERE ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, ON THE, ON THE MATTER THAT, UH, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO.
UH, AT THIS POINT, WE WILL, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, UH, BOARD DISCUSSION, UH, AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS, WELL, I SUPPOSE WE CAN DISCUSS EACH OF THE VARIANCES.
I BELIEVE THE ONE THAT'S IN GREATEST CONTENTION WOULD BE WITH REGARD TO THE GARAGE DOOR.
UM, UH, SO DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON HOW THE, UM, UH, PROPOSED VARIANCES WOULD, UH, WOULD BE APPLIED GIVEN THE STANDARDS? IF IT MAKES IT EASIER? UM, FOR THE, UH, ROOF PITCH, THE TRIM AND THE, UH, DETACHED GARAGE, I AGREE WITH STAFF'S ASSESSMENT OF, OF THOSE, AND I, I WOULD, UH, VOTE TO APPROVE THOSE.
AS FOR THE GARAGE, UM, THE ONLY DISAGREEMENTS AS I, I'D MENTIONED BEFORE IS, IS, IS, UH, LET ME MAKE SURE CONDITION.
I THINK NUMBER TWO UNDER, UNDER A, UM, FINDING BOTH THAT, UM, IT GOES TO THE, THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOUSE AS WELL AS THERE'S UTILITY AND MAKING SURE THERE'S THAT SPACE TO GET IN AND OUT.
SO, UM, AS FOR THE OTHER CONDITIONS FOR THE GARAGE, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE MET AS STAFF HAS FOUND THEM TO BE, AND SO I WOULD APPROVE, UM, ALL FOUR OF THEM.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENT? I GUESS, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
IF I COULD ASK THE STAFF, UM, AT THIS TIME,
AND SO IS ALL OF DEER RUN PART OF A SPECIAL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW ZONE? THAT'S IS HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO, UM, WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS TODAY, IF AT ALL? YES, THE HOMES IN THIS PUD DO HAVE A HOA SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT DO REVIEW THE DESIGNS OF ALL THE HOMES, AND THEY HAVE REVIEWED AND APPROVED THE LAYOUT OF THIS HOME AND DESIGN, BUT IT IS SEPARATE FROM ANYTHING THAT THE CITY WOULD DO.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL IN THE HOA.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
IF THAT'S LIKE AN HOA THING OR A CITY, WHY? OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANYTHING? UM, SO I WILL, UH, SORT OF GET A, A FEEL FOR WHERE WE'RE STANDING AS A BOARD ON, ON THIS, UH, BUT, UH, A FEW, FEW COMMENTS.
UH, IN GENERAL, UH, I, I WOULD, UH, EMPHASIZE THE, UM, THE UNIQUE LOCATION AND SHAPE AND, UH, AS, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, UH, THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE, UM, OF THE PROPERTY, UM, GIVEN ITS CONSIDERABLE SIZE, UH, THERE, THERE ARE, UH, CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT ITS LOCATION THAT, UH, THAT WE WOULD, UH, THAT WE SHOULD, THAT WE WOULD KEEP IN MIND.
UM, SO IT IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN, UH, IN, IN THE SCOPE OF, OF WHERE, UH, CERTAIN THINGS CAN BE, CAN BE LOCATED.
UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO DO WITH THE, UH, GARAGE SIZE ITSELF PER SE.
BUT GIVEN THE, THE SCALE OF THE HOME, UM, AND THE PROPOSED SCALE OF THE, OF THE GARAGE, UM, THERE ARE UTILITARIAN IN CONSIDERATIONS GIVEN THE, UH, UH, SPACE NEEDED
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TO PUT VEHICLES IN, MOVE VEHICLES OUT.UH, THERE ARE ALSO CONSIDERATIONS WITH REGARD TO THE AESTHETICS OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ESSENTIALLY SCALING IT UP BY TWO FEET TO MATCH THE OVERALL, UH, AESTHETIC PLAN OF THE, THE GREATER STRUCTURE, I THINK IS, UH, UH, WOULD FALL WITHIN THE SCOPE OF OUR CONSIDERATION, UH, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE, UH, ORDINANCE, UH, 1 5, 3 0.190 B, WHICH DOES, UH, LEND SOME LATITUDE WITH REGARD TO THE, UM, UH, THE VARIETY OF CONSTRUCTION AND, UH, INCLUSIONS ON, ON, UH, UH, THE AESTHETIC CONSIDERATIONS OF, OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, UH, I AM INCLINED TO AGREE, UH, WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON, UH, THE FIRST TWO AND THE FOURTH VARIANCE.
AND, UH, GIVEN THE, UH, THE, THE DISCUSSION, UH, THAT WE'VE HAD WITH REGARD TO THE AESTHETIC CHOICES AND, UM, THE CONSIDERATION WITH THE, THE VEHICLE SIZE, UH, AND, UH, MOBILITY, UH, UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, UH, NECESSARY GIVEN THE PROPERTY, UH, I'M INCLINED TO LEAN TOWARD GRANTING VARIANCE FOR, UH, THE THIRD, UH, CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING AS WELL.
UH, SO, UH, ARE WE READY TO, UH, MAKE A DECISION OR DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING BEFORE MOVING FORWARD? I GUESS JUST TO, UM, COMPLETE THE RECORD OR, UM, YEAH, I, I JUST THANK THE STAFF FOR, UH, THE PRESENTATION.
THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SPRAWLING SORT OF HOUSE TO REVIEW ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS ON IT.
AND, UH, AND I, I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY JUDGMENT CALLS THAT, THAT YOU MAKE ON THESE.
SO, UM, YEAH, AS FAR AS THE VARIANCES, I, UH, INCLINED TO AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT YOU SAID ON HERE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, I THINK ALONG THE RIVER THERE, UH, THE GAR THE DETACHED GARAGE BEING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS A, IS A SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP BEFORE AND, UM, JUST PRACTICALITY REASONS.
AND, UM, YEAH, JUST GIVEN THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOUSE AND THE UNIQUE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CODE WANTS IS MODERN, INTERESTING ARCHITECTURE IN THAT AREA.
SO, UM, I THINK, UM, I THINK PERSONALLY THE GARAGES KIND OF FIT INTO THAT, BUT BASED ON HIS EXPLANATION OF WHY THEY ARE, HOW THEY ARE AND, UH, YEAH.
UM, I THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE.
UH, SO BECAUSE THERE ARE FOUR VARIANCES REQUESTED, THEY'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS EACH IN TURN.
UM, SO, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE A NON-USE AREA VARIANCE TO PERMIT MULTIPLE ROOF PITCHES, UH, THAT DO NOT MEET THE MINIMUM ROOF PITCH FOR SECONDARY ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF FOUR 12? SO MOVED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. MURPHY? YES.
MOVING ON TO THE SECOND, UH, REQUESTED VARIANCE.
UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE A NON-USE AREA VARIANCE TO PERMIT NO SHUTTERS AND TRIM OF LESS THAN THREE AND ONE HALF INCHES AROUND THE WINDOWS OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING? SO MOVED.
UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
UH, ONTO THE THIRD, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE A NON-USE AREA VARIANCE TO PERMIT THE TOTAL OF ALL COMBINED GARAGE DOOR OPENINGS TO BE WIDER THAN 36 FEET? SO MOVED.
AND ONTO THE FOURTH AND FINAL VARIANCE, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE A NON-USE AREA VARIANCE TO PERMIT A DETACHED GARAGE TO BE FORWARDED TO THE, UH, TO BE FORWARD OF THE PRIMARY DWELLING? SO MOVED.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, MS. MR. LINVILLE? YES.
AND THAT'S, UH, ALL FOUR VARIANCES ARE APPROVED, UH, FOR CASE,
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UH, TWO FIVE DASH ONE 20 V.[COMMUNICATIONS]
FINAL COMMUNICATIONS, UH, FOR THIS BOARD THIS EVENING? NO COMMUNICATIONS OTHER THAN OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS ON FEBRUARY 26TH.UH, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CASES AT THE MOMENT, UH, BUT WE WILL LET YOU KNOW HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS IF WE WILL HAVE THE MEETING OR NOT.
AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.