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OKAY, JAMIE, WE ARE PROCEEDING.[CALL TO ORDER]
OKAY.GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CASES WHO JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY, HAPPY NEW YEAR COMMISSIONERS.
WE GOT A BRAND NEW YEAR HERE, SO EXCITING TIMES.
[NEW MEMBER OATH OF OFFICE]
HAVE SOME OTHER EXCITEMENT THAT WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER TO THE COMMISSION AND I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME, UH, HILLARY DAMER TO THE PLANNINGS AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THIS TIME.AND IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS OFFICIAL, WE NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR ASSISTANT LAW DIRECTOR, ANTHONY, DO THAT TONIGHT.
SO I THINK YOU, HAVE YOU COME OUT TO THE CENTER, IS THAT RIGHT? AS I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME.
DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE.
THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES AS A MEMBER.
THE DUTIES AS A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN, OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN, WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, AND OF THE STATE OF OHIO, AND OF THE STATE OF OHIO.
AND THE ORDINANCES AND CHARTER, AND THE ORDINANCE.
ORDINANCES AND CHARTER OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN, OHIO.
SO NOW WE CAN OFFICIALLY WELCOME YOU,
WE CAN OFFICIALLY WELCOME YOU TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING STARTED HERE.
SO, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE A SEAT, WE WILL TAKE THE ROLL CALL.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
WE WILL ACCEPT ALL DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING ME.MEETING ME, UH, MEETING MINUTES.
SO I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 11TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING.
MS. DAMER, I'M GONNA ABSTAIN SINCE I WAS NOT HERE AT THE LAST MEETING.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLOTTING A PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AND OTHER CASES.
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THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STATE THAT NO AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED.
AFTER 10:30 PM THE A APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE.
ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD.
UNDER EACH APPLICATION, PLEASE ENSURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
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IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMISSIONERS CAN HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID IN THE, ON THE RECORD AND THAT ALL HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.THIS PROTECTS THE PROCESS, WHICH IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CONCERN.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN WITNESSES FOR TONIGHT.
SO ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN.
PLEASE STAND IF YOU INTEND TO TESTIFY.
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE AS I READ.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU.
UM, AND THAT IS CASE NUMBER 25 DASH 0 9 0 A FDP.
THAT CASE HAS BEEN POSTPONED, CORRECT? THE CASE IS POSTPONED ONLY UPON A MOTION TO POSTPONE IT.
I HAVEN'T HAD, I HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH THAT EXERCISE YET, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UM, I'M READING, I'M READING THE, MY NARRATIVE HERE, SO WE HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THE PROCESS HERE AS I HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH THIS ON A POSTPONE CASE.
UH, SOMEONE SHOULD MOVE TO POSTPONE THE CASE AND THE NUMBER, UH, AND THAT'S ALL THAT YOU NEED.
SO I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO PROPOSE CASE NUMBER 25 0 9 0 A FDP VISTA CHURCH PICKLE BALL COURT'S AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
OKAY, NOW WE MOVE ON TO R ONE CASE.
AND NOW WE NEED A VOTE ON THE MOTION AND WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE MOTION.
DO WE NEED A DATE? UH, TO THE NEXT MEETING IS USUAL, BUT IF THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A LATER DATE, UH, I'D REFER TO STAFF ON THAT.
FEBRUARY 5TH IS WHAT I WAS TOLD.
SO POSTPONED TO FEBRUARY 5TH, MS. HARDER? YES.
[Case #25-115FDP]
IS CASE NUMBER 25 DASH 11 FIVE FDP ALL IN DUBLIN FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE A FOUR STORY 75 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.THE 1.59 ACRE SITE IS OWNED B-S-D-S-C-N BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT'S LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE BETWEEN WEST DUBLIN, GRANVILLE ROAD AND BANKER DRIVE.
SO AT THIS POINT WE WILL TAKE THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.
HI, JENNA KESSLER, 7 7 5 YARD STREET, COLUMBUS.
UM, THANK YOU GUYS ALL FOR HAVING US TODAY.
UM, LIKE I SAID, MY NAME IS JENNA.
I'M WITH MA DESIGN, THE ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF THE OWNERSHIP TEAM WITH US HERE TODAY.
I'M EXCITED TO SHARE UPDATES WITH YOU ALL.
UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, WE SHARED THIS BACK IN SEPTEMBER, OUR PRELIMINARY PLAN.
UM, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF UPDATES SINCE THEN AND WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE IT WITH YOU.
UM, BEFORE I GET INTO THE TECHNICAL, I DID WANNA SHARE, THERE WAS A PUBLIC COMMENT AT OUR MEETING THAT WE WERE AT IN SEPTEMBER ASKING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY.
AND WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS SUPER FAST THAT THIS PROJECT IS, UM, PURSUING LEAD SILVER.
UM, WE'RE ON A GOOD TRACK TO MAKE THAT.
AND PART OF IT IS BECAUSE OUR LOCATION AND SITE IS REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL FOR THIS.
WE GET A LOT OF POINTS FROM ACCESS TO TRANSIT, WALKABILITY, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO WE WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT AND HIGHLIGHT THAT.
UM, I'M GONNA TALK THROUGH THE UPDATES.
UM, WE HAVE FOUR MAIN CATEGORIES THAT THESE HAVE COME THROUGH.
SO, UM, THE FIRST TWO WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE OPEN SPACES FIRST, THE OPEN SPACE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE, WHICH IS TO THE NORTH, AND THAT IS THE POCKET PARK AT DUBLIN, CENTER DRIVE AND BANKER DRIVE.
UM, AND THEN THE OPEN SPACE AT THE GATEWAY CORNER TO THE LEFT OF THE PAGE.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE UPDATES.
UM, OUR, I'LL SHARE A LOT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL UPDATES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, AS WELL AS SOME SITE MOBILITY STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE, UM, TO BEGINNING WITH THE OPEN SPACE PLAN AS A WHOLE.
THIS IS THE PREVIOUS OPEN SPACE PLAN FROM THE PDP STAGE, UM, HIGHLIGHTED IN RED FOR YOU.
I HAVE, UM, THE AREAS THAT WE HEARD THE MOST FEEDBACK FROM AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND SO, UM, FIRST IN THE POCKET PARK TO THE NORTH THAT'S ON THE RIGHT.
WE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE GENERATOR.
IT WAS TAKING UP A LOT OF SPACE IN THAT POCKET PARK.
SO WE HAVE RELOCATED AT, AND I'LL
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SHARE THAT.AND THEN SAME THING WITH THE LEFT, THE POCKET PARK THAT WAS AT THE CORNER OF DUBLIN CENTER AND 1 61.
WE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT SPACE NOT BEING VERY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND USABLE.
UM, JUST AS A REMINDER WHILE I'M ON THIS SLIDE, THE AREA THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE, UM, THAT'S AREA THAT WE'RE PURPOSEFULLY NOT DEVELOPING, UM, AS THE CITY'S REQUESTED THIS SPACE FOR FUTURE 1 61 IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE BRT.
SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
UM, THIS IS OUR REVISED OPEN SPACE PLAN.
SO I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE MAJOR AREAS OF REVISION JUST WITH THAT RED DOT.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA FOCUS FIRST ON THE POCKET PARK TO THE RIGHT.
SO ON THE LEFT WE HAVE OUR PREVIOUS DESIGN, AND ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE OUR NEW DESIGN.
SO THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS WE'VE RIGHT SIZED THE GENERATOR ENCLOSURE AND WE HAVE RELO RELOCATED IT.
UM, WE HAVE DECIDED TO KEEP IT WITHIN THIS GENERAL AREA.
IT DOES NOT COUNT THE AREA OF THE GENERATOR ENCLOSURE.
DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS OUR OPEN SPACE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, WE SEE THE ADDED BENEFIT HERE OF CONSOLIDATING AND ENCLOSING THE UTILITIES, UM, WITHIN THIS ENCLOSURE, JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF UNSIGHTLY ON THE SITE.
AND SO BY KEEPING THIS HERE, IT ALLOWS US TO ACTUALLY CREATE AN ENCLOSURE HERE THAT PROVIDES SOME SEPARATION AND PRIVACY OF THE POCKET PARK FROM THE STREET.
UM, THOSE UTILITIES THAT, UM, WE DON'T OWN, IF YOU WILL, THOSE ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE JUST FOR REFERENCE.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN OF THIS PARK, YOU'LL SEE IT'S A MUCH MORE ORGANIC SHAPE NOW.
WE'VE INCORPORATED A LOT OF SEATING AND A LOT OF BENCHES.
UM, WE'VE ALSO INCORPORATED A WATER FEATURE AS WELL AS A POLLINATOR GARDEN GARDEN.
SO JUST REALLY MAKING THIS MORE ENTICING AND A PLACE THAT YOU'D WANNA SIT DOWN AND SPEND SOME TIME.
UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT SOUND WITH THIS GENERATOR.
SO WE DID LIKE THE IDEA OF ADDING A WATER FEATURE JUST TO MITIGATE SOME OF THAT.
BUT THIS GENERATOR IS FOR EMERGENCIES ONLY.
SO THE ONLY TIME IT WILL RUN IS IN THE CASE OF A POWER OUTAGE AND ON WEEKLY TESTS.
UM, AND THOSE COULD BE SCHEDULED AT, AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY.
UM, OKAY, MOVING TO THE OPEN SPACE AT THE GATEWAY CORNER.
SO AGAIN, ON THE LEFT, THIS IS WHAT WE SHARED AT PDP AND ON THE RIGHT IS OUR UPDATE.
SO THE BIGGEST CHANGE THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE REMOVED THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT, UM, PREVENTED EASIER ACCESS INTO THE LAND.
THE PLAZA ITSELF, WE'VE INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF HARDSCAPE, UM, AND INCLUDED A LOT MORE SEATING OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS SPACE JUST TO HELP YOU EASILY CIRCULATE INTO THAT COVERED SPACE.
AND WE HAVE READ BEFORE WE WERE CALLING THIS A POCKET PARK, BUT AS WE SPOKE AND UNDERSTOOD WITH STAFF, IT SEEMED LIKE A PLAZA WAS A MORE APPROPRIATE DEFINITION FOR THIS SPACE.
UM, LOOKING AT THIS IN THE RENDERING, UM, I THINK YOU CAN SEE THE UPDATES EVEN BETTER HERE JUST WITHOUT THAT BIG SWATH OF GRASS IN THE FRONT, YOU CAN SEE IT'S, UM, MUCH EASIER AND MORE INVITING TO GO UNDERNEATH THE PLAZA.
UM, THERE IS A PUBLIC ART LOCATION POSSIBLE.
UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT BEHIND TWO OF THOSE COLUMNS.
IT'S THAT LIGHTER FEATURE THERE.
WE THINK THAT'S A GOOD LOCATION FOR IT.
UM, THE ARCHITECTURE HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN UPDATED.
AND, UM, WE'VE GONE FROM THE MORE ANGLED LOOK ON THE LEFT TO THE MORE CURVED FEATURE ON THE RIGHT.
AND SO WE THINK THAT THIS WAS A GOOD UPDATE TO HELP IT FEEL MORE INVITING, UM, ADDRESS THE CORNER A LITTLE BETTER.
AND IT'S ALSO ALLOWED US TO INCREASE TRANSPARENCY AT THIS LOCATION.
IN TERMS OF ALL OF THE OPEN SPACE ALONG 1 61, UM, WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS STUDY.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT IN THE WEEDS, SO I APOLOGIZE.
UM, BUT ON THE LEFT WE DID A STUDY AND THIS WAS DESIGNATING ALL OF THE OPEN SPACE TO NOT NEED ANY WAIVERS FOR THE PROPORTIONS AND THE WIS AND THE LINKS OF THE OPEN SPACE.
AFTER REVIEWING IT WITH STAFF.
UM, WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE SUBMITTED, UM, IT DOES REQUIRE SOME WAIVERS, BUT WE FELT THAT THIS BETTER REFLECTED HOW YOU WOULD EXPERIENCE THE OPEN SPACE AND SUBDIVIDED IT IN A MORE APPROPRIATE WAY.
UM, THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE ITSELF DOESN'T, DIDN'T CHANGE HERE.
IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT WE DESIGNATED IT AND IT'S WHY THERE'S SOME WAIVERS REQUIRED ALONG 1 61, UM, ALONG THE FACADE OF 1 61.
SO YOU'LL SEE BEFORE THAT WAS AT PDP LEVEL, AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM IS FDP.
SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST UPDATES THAT WE'VE MADE IS ALONG THAT FIRST FLOOR FACADE, UM, JUST ALONG THE FIRST FLOOR, WE'VE MADE IT SO THAT THAT ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR IS THE LIGHTER ACCENT BRICK.
AND THE IDEA HERE WAS TO DIFFERENTIATE THAT AREA FROM THE UPPER FLOORS AND GIVE IT MORE OF A MIXED USE FEEL.
WE'VE ADDED THE AWNINGS AND WE'VE ALSO UPDATED THE STOREFRONT HERE AND PROVIDED MORE GLAZING THAN THERE WAS BEFORE.
UM, THERE WERE SOME SOLID PANELS INTEGRATED,
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BUT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REWORK THE FACADE TO PROVIDE MORE TRANSPARENCY, UM, ALONG THE EAST FACADE WHERE THE ART WALL WAS BEFORE ON THE LEFT, THIS WAS FROM PDP, YOU CAN SEE IN ORANGE, THIS WAS THE AREA WE HAD DESIGNATED FOR THE ART WALL.AND AT THE TIME, I THINK WE WERE USING THIS FACADE MORE AS A CANVAS FOR THE ART.
BUT AFTER HEARING SOME FEEDBACK AT THE LAST MEETING, WE SIGNIFICANTLY REVISED THIS, UM, ELEVATION TO HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY AND TO ALLOW THE ART WALL TO BE ADDITIVE TO THE ARCHITECTURE RATHER THAN BEING THE WHOLE FACADE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT AREA IN ORANGE ON THE RIGHT, THAT'S THE UPDATED AREA, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY, OOPS, UM, DESIGNATED THIS MURAL LOCATION.
AND WHATEVER ART COULD GO HERE WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO WRAP THIS CORNER AT THIS FACADE.
UM, FOR ART AS A WHOLE, THESE ARE JUST THE THREE LOCATIONS THAT WE'VE DESIGNATED AS GOOD LOCATIONS FOR ART.
SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE ORANGE DOTS, SO THE ONE UNDERNEATH THE COVERED PLAZA, AND THEN THE ONE AT THE CORNER AS WELL AS A PIECE, UM, BESIDE THAT CORNER MURAL THAT'S CIRCLED.
UM, MOVING TO THE PARKING AREA.
SO BEFORE ON THE LEFT, WE, UM, WE WERE MEETING OUR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE PARKING AREA.
UM, AND WE DID DO A STUDY, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE, AND WE WERE LOOKING AT IF IT WAS POSSIBLE TO PUT, UM, LIKE A CROSS PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGH THE PARKING AREA AS WELL AS A SIDEWALK TO THE RIGHT.
AND THOSE ARE CLOUDED IN ORANGE.
AND WE DID LOOK AT THIS, BUT AFTER REVIEWING WITH STAFF, UM, WE DID, WE DID ALL AGREE THAT IT WAS BEST TO MEET THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND PROVIDE MORE LANDSCAPING, UM, JUST SO IT'S A MORE ATTRACTIVE PARKING AREA.
UM, I THINK THAT BASSAM WILL PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THE PARKING IN GENERAL.
UM, WE DID DO A PARKING PLAN FOR THIS.
CURRENTLY THERE IS ONE SPACE PROVIDED PER UNIT.
UM, AND I DID JUST WANNA SHARE THAT FOR THAT PART OF THE FINANCING OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, IT REQUIRES A 30 YEAR COMMITMENT, AND SO THE 25% SET ASIDE FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, WHICH IS PART OF WHY WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE ONE-TO-ONE UNIT, UM, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT'S COMMITTED FOR 30 YEARS.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, THERE WAS A QUESTION AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, ABOUT ANY EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOFTOP.
SO THERE'S NO LARGE RT, BUT THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL UNIT HEAT PUMPS.
SO THESE ARE SMALL RESIDENTIAL SIZE UNITS THAT ARE FOR EACH OF THE UNITS.
UM, THEY'RE THOSE LITTLE SQUARES IN ORANGE, AND I WANTED TO SHARE VIEWS.
SO THESE ARE ALL VIEWS FROM EYE LEVEL, UM, JUST SHOWING THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THE UNITS, THEY'RE NATURALLY SCREENED, UM, BY THE PARAPETS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED.
AND I THINK THAT IS ALL FOR ME.
UH, THIS IS, UH, I THINK A LOT OF THE, UH, CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THE LAST MEETING WERE VERY WELL DESCRIBED HERE.
SO, UH, BUT I STILL WANTED TO GO THROUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH A NEW MEMBER ON THE COMMISSION IN TURN, UH, TO GO OVER SOME OF THE, UH, APPLICABLE PROCESSES AND THE, UH, UH, APPLICABLE PLANS AS WELL THAT APPLY TO, UH, THIS AREA.
SO THIS IS A, UH, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS A LAST STEP IN THE THREE STEP PROCESS FOR, UH, DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
UH, IT IS THE DETAILED, UH, PORTION OF THE REVIEW PROCESS BEFORE THE APPLICANT IS ABLE TO APPLY FOR SITE AND BUILDING PERMITS, UH, IF, IF THE PROJECT IS APPROVED.
SO, UH, THERE WOULD BE ACTION THAT WOULD, THE COMMISSION WOULD BE ASKED TO TAKE.
UH, AT THE END OF THE MEETING, UH, THIS EVENING, THE SITE IS LOCATED, UH, JUST WEST OF SUMMER ROAD AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF, UH, WEST DUBLIN GRANDVILLE ROAD AND DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE.
AND IT IS A COMPLIC, SOMEWHAT COMPLICATED SITE IN THAT IT HAS, UH, THREE SUITE FRONTAGES, AND IT'S ALSO AT A LOCATION THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS A GATEWAY IN THE, UH, PLANNING EFFORTS, WHICH I WILL MENTION IN A LITTLE BIT.
IT WAS A SITE THAT WAS SPLIT OFF FROM A LARGER PARCEL TO THE EAST.
AND, UH, THE INTENT WAS TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS NATURE.
AND ACCORDING TO THE ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN, THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT WAS, UH, EXPECTED FOR THIS AREA IS MIXED USE URBAN,
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WHICH, UH, UH, DOES ENCOURAGE AN ACTIVE MIX OF USES INCLUDING OFFICE, COMMERCIAL, HOTEL, MULTI-FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL DRINKING AND EATING ESTABLISHMENTS AND SO FORTH.UM, ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE SCALE OF BUILDINGS AND THE ORIENTATION OF BUILDINGS.
AND THIS PROJECT, UH, FOLLOWS THAT PRE CLOSELY.
UH, IT'S ALSO WITHIN THE, UH, BRIDGE STREET SPECIAL, UH, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SPECIAL AREA PLAN WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH HAS SOME MORE DIRECTION FOR THAT SPECIFIC AREA, AND ESPECIALLY IN THIS CASE, THE EAST BRIDGE STREET SUB AREA.
AND WITH THIS ONE, AS YOU'RE AWARE, IT'S MOSTLY AN AUTO ORIENTED, UH, ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW.
AND THE VISION IS TO CHANGE IT INTO A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT OVER TIME.
AND, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED, THE, UH, UH, FUTURE BRT BUS, RAPID TRANSIT, AND, UH, QUITE A BIT OF MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS ARE EXPECTED ALONG THE, UH, 1 61 CORRIDOR THAT WILL BECOME PART OF THE, OR IS PART OF THE LANKA EFFORT.
THAT'S, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH CODA AND CITY OF COLUMBUS AND ELSEWHERE.
SO, UM, THE LAND USES THAT WERE ENVISIONED THAT IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, WERE OFFICE AND HOTEL USES SUPPORTED BY MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND, UH, AND RETAIL.
SO AS YOU'RE AWARE, AGAIN, THE ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT MUCH RESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS IS A SUPPORTING USE TO, UH, FUTURE OTHER DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE ITSELF, THERE ARE MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOODS, EACH ONE WITH ITS OWN CHARACTERISTICS AND, UH, INTENDED DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER.
AND THIS ONE HAPPENS TO BE IN THE ISLAM CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS, UH, MUCH OF THE AREA ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE BRIT STREET DISTRICT.
UH, AGAIN, THE INTENT IS THE SAME AS WITH THE OTHER PLANS TO PROMOTE AN ACTIVE WALKABLE DESTINATION, INTEGRATION OF MIXTURE OF USES AND IMPROVING, UH, ACCESS AND VISIBILITY, AND AGAIN, WITH A VARIETY OF BUILDING TYPES THAT ARE LOCATED, UH, ANTICIPATED THERE.
UH, ONE THING I DID WANT TO POINT OUT WITH THIS SLIDE IS THE, UH, PLAN FOR THIS AREA, AND THIS IS IN THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, AGAIN, IS A GREENWAY ALONG DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE THAT ACTUALLY TERMINATES JUST NORTH OF THIS SITE.
AND SO THE OPEN SPACE THAT, UH, POCKET PARK A THAT MS CASTER JUST TALKED ABOUT, UH, FEELS LIKE A GOOD TERMINUS FOR THAT.
AND THE CONNECTIVITY THEN AROUND THE CORNER TO THE, THE GATEWAY AT SO ROAD, UM, IS ANOTHER HIGHLIGHT.
AND ALSO HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS, UH, A POTENTIAL GATEWAY LOCATION.
THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS, UM, AS THE NAME SOUNDS LIKE GATEWAY AREAS IN THAT CORNER IS EXACTLY THAT.
SO THAT BECOMES PART OF THIS, UH, DISCUSSION.
UH, BRIDGESTREET DISTRICT HAS A STREET NETWORK PLAN WITH THREE DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS.
THE CORRIDOR CONNECTOR STREETS, THE DISTRICT CONNECTOR STREETS AND NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
AND, UH, THOSE ALL VARY BY THE INTENSITY OF THE USE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY, UM, A DISTRICT CONNECTOR IN DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE AND A CORRIDOR CONNECTOR IN 1 61.
AND THEN IT IS ENVISIONED TO EVENTUALLY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS THAT WOULD START CREATING THAT BLOCK.
AND SO WHILE THE SITE RIGHT NOW DOES NOT MEET THE TECHNICAL BLOCK AND LOT REQUIREMENTS, UH, IT IS CONSISTENT WHERE, UH, WITH WHAT'S ENVISIONED FOR THAT AREA.
AND IN FACT, AS WE GET INTO THE SITE PLAN, THE SITE ACCESS OFF OF BANKER DRIVE IS PRETTY MUCH ALMOST EXACTLY WHERE, UH, IT WAS ENVISIONED THAT THERE COULD BE A SERVICE ALLEY FOR, FOR ACCESS IN THE FUTURE.
THE TWO MAIN ROADS ARE ALSO LISTED AS PRINCIPAL FRONTAGE STREETS.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HELP DEFINE WHAT THE ACTUAL, UH, FRONTAGE IS FOR THE SITE WHEN YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ACTUAL STREET FRONTAGES.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE ACCESS IS TYPICALLY VERY LIMITED UNLESS THERE'S A VERY GOOD, UH, REASON FOR THE ENGINEERING, UH, STAFF TO ACCEPT OTHER ACCESS POINTS.
THERE'S ALSO A STREETSCAPE CHARACTER, UH, THAT IS APPLIED THROUGHOUT THE, UH, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, AND IT COVERS THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
UM, IN THIS CASE, THE 1 61 FRONTAGE, WE ARE LEAVING ALONE FOR NOW, AS YOU HEARD.
UM, THE, THERE IS, UH, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, ABOUT 19 FEET OF EXTRA RIGHT OF WAY.
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OF THE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS.SO FOR NOW, UM, THAT'S BEING LEFT ALONE OTHER THAN ENGINEERING.
AND THE APPLICANT WILL WORK TOGETHER IN TERMS OF HOW THAT TRANSITION HAPPENS.
IN THE MEANTIME, THE, UH, DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE AND BANKER DRIVE STREETS ARE ONES THAT, UH, THE, UH, STANDARD STREETSCAPE TREATMENT APPLIES, WHICH INCLUDES ON STREET PARKING WITH GRANITE CURBS AND THREE GRADES AND SO FORTH.
AND THOSE WOULD ALL BE HAPPENING IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE APPLICANT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTING THAT.
THEY'RE NOT PART OF YOUR REVIEW TONIGHT.
SO THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED NECESSARILY THE SPECIFIC DETAILS BECAUSE THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO BE WORKED OUT WITH THE ENGINEERING AND TRANSPORT, TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY STAFF SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE LANES, THE THROUGH LANES AND UH, THE INTERSECTION ALIGNMENTS ALL MAKE SENSE.
SO THOSE, UH, WILL CONTINUE TO EVOLVE, UM, AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION.
THE, UH, APPLICANT CAME TO YOU TWICE BEFORE, ONCE FOR CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW AND THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS MENTIONED IN SEPTEMBER FOR, UH, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS AND SEVEN CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AT THE TIME, ALONG WITH A COUPLE OF WAIVERS THAT I MENTIONED HERE AS WE GO THROUGH THE DETAILS AS WELL.
I'M NOT GONNA DWELL ON THESE BECAUSE I THINK MS. KESSLER DID A GREAT JOB OF ADDRESSING HOW, UH, THE PROJECT HAS EVOLVED SINCE THEN.
SO WE'LL START WITH THE SITE PLAN HERE.
UM, AGAIN, THE, UH, BIGGEST DIFFERENCES ARE THE ONES THAT WERE JUST MENTIONED, AND SO I'LL FOCUS ON THE ITEMS THAT WILL NEED ACTION BY THE COMMISSION TONIGHT.
SO THE BRICK ENCLOSURE THAT'S, UH, BEING PROPOSED AROUND THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, UM, WE BELIEVE IS A GREAT ADDITION.
UH, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THE EQUIPMENT WHICH, UH, CURRENTLY ALREADY EXISTS.
THE NORTH WALL OF THAT ENCLOSURE WOULD BE BEYOND THE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALK THAN THE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE.
SO THAT, UH, REQUIRES A WAIVER.
AND THEN THE, UH, THERE WAS A WAIVER THAT WAS GRANTED THAT I KINDA HAVE A GREAT ART A LITTLE BIT HERE.
THERE WAS A WAIVER GRANTED AT THE, UH, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPER PLAN, UH, LEVEL FOR THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BEING OUTSIDE OF THE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE.
UH, THAT BUIL, UH, RBC IS FIVE TO 20 FEET.
UH, I BELIEVE THIS WALL IS ABOUT 63 FEET, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S MITIGATED BY SOME OF THE OPEN SPACE AND OTHER, UH, TREATMENTS IN THERE.
THE, UH, PRO, THERE'S A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, PROPERTY LINE COVERAGE, WHICH IS THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT SITS WITHIN THE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE.
UH, IT FALLS, THE PLANT FALLS, UH, A LITTLE BIT SHORT OF THAT ALONG THE 1 61 FRONTAGE, UH, MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE OPEN SPACES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED HERE.
AND THEN THERE IS A REQUESTED WAIVER FROM THE IMPERVIOUS LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH, UH, THE MAXIMUM BY CODE IS 70%.
UH, THIS DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE 79%.
UM, QUITE A BIT OF THAT IS TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE HARD SURFACES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, MORE URBAN PUBLIC OPEN SPACES AND OBVIOUSLY IMPACTED BY 19 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION ALONG 1 61.
A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL HERE ARE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY'S ENGINEERING STAFF ON STORM WATER AND ALL OTHER ENGINEERING DETAILS.
AND AS I MENTIONED, TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY STAFF ON THOSE STREETS SCAPE ELEMENTS.
UM, WE ALSO WOULD, WOULD WORK WITH THEM ON THE DETAILS OF THE ACCESS DRIVE BECAUSE AS DRAWN RIGHT NOW, IT'S WIDER THAN, UH, THE MAXIMUM LIMITS.
SO, UH, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS NEEDS AT THE SAME TIME.
AND SO THOSE DETAILS WILL BE WORKED OUT, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AS MS. GASLAND MENTIONED, THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING ON THIS SITE, AND BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS 88 SPACES.
THAT'S ACCOUNTING FOR SOME BONUSES THAT THEY GET FOR, UH, PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT STOPS.
THE UM, PROPOSAL HERE IS, UH, 75 SPACES THEY OPTED FOR THE PURPOSES OF, AND SO THEY'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PARKING PLAN.
AND THERE IS IN YOUR PACKET A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THEIR NEEDS AND ALSO COMPARABLE, UH, USES, UH, AND SEVERAL PLACES AROUND THE CENTRAL OHIO AREA THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING
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MORE PARKING THAN SOME OF THESE, UH, OTHER COMPARABLE USES.UH, THEY OPTED FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PLAN NOT TO COUNT THE ON STREET PARKING.
THEY ARE ENTITLED TO PARK, UH, TO COUNT THAT, BUT SINCE THAT'S NOT FINALIZED AND WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE, UH, THEY'RE GOING WITH A PARKING PLAN FOR 75, UH, SPACES, WHICH, UH, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF AND WE BELIEVE WILL, UH, WILL BE SUFFICIENT IN TERMS OF THE USE.
UM, MENTIONED THE ALL THE DIFFERENT PLANS, IT'S ALSO, UH, PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE, UH, RELEVANT, UH, DISTRICT IN THE BRIDGE STREET CODE.
UM, IT'S, AGAIN, 75 UNITS BROKEN INTO SEVERAL TYPES RANGING FROM ONE TO THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
UH, BUT IN RESPONSE TO QUITE A BIT OF THE DISCUSSION BEFORE, AND IT WAS ALWAYS THERE, INTENT TO HAVE COMMUNITY ROOMS AND, UH, SHARED, UH, UH, COMMON SPACES, UH, THOSE, UH, BETWEEN THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE, UH, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN ALL EVOLVED TO CREATE THE FRONTAGE AND THE STOREFRONT ALONG, UH, 1 61.
UM, THERE WAS A WAIVER, UM, APPROVED AT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN LEVEL FOR THE WATER METER ROOM TO BE LOCATED ALONG THE FRONTAGE ALONG, UH, DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE.
TYPICALLY, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE SEPARATED, BUT THAT WAS, UH, JUSTIFIED IN THE ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT, UH, MITIGATES SOME OF THOSE EFFECTS.
MOVING ON TO THE OPEN SPACE PLAN, UM, AGAIN, YOU SAW THE PROGRESSION OF HOW THOSE EVOLVED.
UM, I HAVE ONE OF THE WAIVERS LISTED IN RED HERE BECAUSE I REALIZED THAT THE STAFF REPORT, WHILE THE, UM, BODY OF THE REPORT MENTIONED THE, UH, FACT THAT PLAZA A IS LESS THAN THE MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, ORIGINALLY I NEGLECTED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE LIST OF WAIVERS IN THE, UH, SUMMARY AT THE END.
SO THE STAFF REPORT HAS BEEN UPDATED, BUT, UH, THE, AS MS. KESSLER MENTIONED, THE CONCLUSION WAS THAT YES, SOME OF THESE DO NOT COMPLETELY MEET THE, UH, MEASUREMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OPEN SPACE TYPES, BUT THEY, UH, ARE FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE INTENT OF THOSE SPACES.
AND THE FUNCTIONALITY IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE LABELS THAT, UH, THAT YOU SEE ON THIS PLAN.
AND SO, BUT THE OVERALL OPEN SPACE, THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE DOES MEET THE, UH, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET BASED ON THE, UH, NUMBER OF UNITS WITHIN THE BUILDING.
THE, UH, PROPORTIONS OF PLAZA POCKET PLAZA B ARE SLIGHTLY OFF OF THE PROPOSED.
SO MANY OF THESE WAIVERS ARE, UH, PRE MINOR, AND THERE IS A WAIVER FOR THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE FOR POCKET PARK B, WHICH IS THE ONE AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
AGAIN, THE INTENT HERE IS TO ALLOW IT TO BE A LITTLE MORE URBAN AND INCLUDE SOME OF THE SEATING AREAS THAT WOULD BY NATURE HAVE HARD SURFACES.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURES AS WELL.
AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THOSE ARE ONES THAT, UH, DON'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF WAIVERS.
THOSE ARE WITHIN 10 PERCENTAGE POINTS OF THE STANDARD, WHICH, UH, UH, TYPICALLY WOULD NOT NECESSARILY, IF THEY WERE NOT PART OF THIS, UH, REVIEW WOULD GO TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW TEAM.
BUT, UH, IN THIS CASE, UH, SINCE THE REST OF IT IS BEING REVIEWED BY THIS BODY, IT MADE SENSE TO INCLUDE THOSE AS WELL.
AND THOSE INCLUDE THE MINIMUM SIZE FOR POCKET PARK B, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THE MIN THE, UH, REQUIREMENT, EXCUSE ME, REQUIREMENT, UH, IN THE CODE AND THE WIDTH OF PLAZA A, WHICH IS I BELIEVE 55 FEET.
SO AGAIN, MINOR, UM, DEVIATIONS.
A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING WITH THE OPEN SPACE IS TO BETTER DEFINE THE EDGE ALONG THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING SO THAT THE, UH, PIECE OF THE OPEN SPACE THAT STRADDLES THAT CORNER AND HELPS PROVIDE THAT, UH, DEFINITION TO THE EDGES IS MORE AKIN TO WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE OTHER CORNER.
SO THAT SIMPLY MEANS SOME OF THE PLANTINGS HERE, UH, BEING CARRIED OVER TO WHERE THE WALKWAY IS TO CREATE AN EDGE RATHER THAN JUST GROUND COVER AT THAT LOCATION.
AND THEN, UH, A COUPLE OF TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF WASTE RECEPTACLES AND, UH, LINEAR FOOTAGE OF SEEDING THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM ON.
LANDSCAPE PLAN IS ALSO, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
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EDGE I WAS MENTIONING HERE, SHOWN IN GREEN.THE ONLY CONCERN THAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TO TREAT THEIR STORM WATER.
THEY HAVE A CHAMBER UNDERNEATH THE PARKING LOT, AND IN A COUPLE OF CASES, IT, UH, CONFLICTS WITH A COUPLE OF THESE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS.
SO WORKING WITH THEM ON MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ISLANDS COULD BE PLANTED WITH THE TREES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED IS ANOTHER CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING, UM, GAINED QUITE A FEW IMPROVEMENTS SINCE LAST TIME YOU SAW IT.
UH, A FEW WAIVERS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
ONE IS THE PERPET HEIGHT AND THE CODE, UM, IS LISTED AS TWO TO SIX FEET IS THE RANGE.
SO TWO IS A MINIMUM, SIX IS THE MAXIMUM.
UH, IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE PROPOSING ANYWHERE BETWEEN ONE AND FIVE.
SO THE INITIAL CONCERN WAS WITH THE ONE, WHETHER THAT WAS ADEQUATE TO SCREEN THE EQUIPMENT AND THE STUDIES THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED SHOW THAT THEY COULD DO THAT.
THE CONCERN ABOUT RAISING THAT TO TWO WAS COMPROMISING THE, UH, THE PROPORTIONS OF THE BUILDING AND THE MASSING AND AND CHARACTER.
SO WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THAT.
UH, ANOTHER WAIVER IS TO THE ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS, ENTRANCE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, WHICH STIPULATES THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE GLASS, WHETHER IT'S WITHIN THE DOOR ITSELF OR AS A TRANSOM OR SIDELIGHT.
AND BASICALLY ALL OF THEIR DOORS COMPLY EXCEPT FOR THE ENTRANCE TO THE WATER AND METER ROOM, WHICH MAKES SENSE NOT TO HAVE GLASS.
THE ONLY CONCERN STAFF HAS THAT'S RIGHT ALONG THE DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE FRONTAGE IS, UH, THE CHARACTER OF A FLAT DOOR.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT POTENTIALLY SOME RAISE OR RECESS PANELS OR OTHER DETAILING JUST TO BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND, UH, UH, BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
THERE IS A REQUIREMENT ABOUT THE MINIMUM, UH, FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS TO PROVIDE SOME PRIVACY.
THE INTENT IS TO PROVIDE A TWO AND A HALF FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN THE LEVEL OF THE SIDEWALK AND THE FINISHED FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEY HAVE, I BELIEVE, FIVE, UH, FIVE ENTRANCES OR FIVE UNITS ALONG THE DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE FRONTAGE.
TWO OF THEM WOULD NOT MEET THAT REQUIREMENT JUST BECAUSE OF THE GRADING ALONG, UH, THAT, THE WAY THAT EXISTING GRADING IS AND HOW THEY CAN DEAL WITH THAT.
AND SO, UM, THOSE ARE MITIGATED BY SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE OPEN SPACE TYPES.
AND SO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THEY'VE ADDRESSED THOSE.
UH, THEY ALSO HAVE SOME OF THESE PORCHES THAT ALLOW INTERACTION AND, AND AT THE SAME TIME, SOME SEPARATION BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE DOMAINS.
SO WE FEEL THOSE ARE, UH, THAT THAT WAIVER IS JUSTIFIED.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, TRANSPARENCY, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, WINDOWS TO SOLIDS ON EACH FACADE.
AND FOR THE MOST PART, THE, THE MOST OF THE ELEVATIONS EITHER MEET THAT OR HAVE VERY MINOR DEVIATIONS.
THE ONE EXCEPTION IS, UH, I SHOULDN'T SAY EXCEPTION, IT'S STILL, UM, SOMEWHAT MINOR, BUT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, UM, THE, UH, FACADE, I BELIEVE, UH, THE REQUIREMENT IS 80%.
UH, I'M SORRY, THAT'S THE PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIAL.
UH, TRANSPARENCY IS A REQUIREMENT.
UM, AND LET ME SEE, I'M MIXING THE TWO, I'M MIXING THE PRIMARY MATERIALS.
AND SO THE TRANSPARENCY IS ACTUALLY, UH, SLIGHT DEVIATIONS ALONG THE SOUTH AND WEST ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING, AND THAT'S MOSTLY ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.
SO IT VARIES FROM, UH, FLOOR TO FLOOR.
UH, THERE'S A NON SUITE TRANS FACADE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENT, IN THIS CASE, THE EAST FACADE, WHICH SPACES THE, UH, POCKET PARK B UH, AGAIN, JUST ON THE FIRST FLOOR FALLS A LITTLE SHY OF THE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN THERE'S, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, THERE'S A MINIMUM NUMBER OF ENTRANCES PER STREET FRONTAGE, DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEY'RE TECHNICALLY JUST SHORT OF THOSE.
SO AGAIN, THAT REQUIRES A WAIVER.
UM, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR VERTICAL INCREMENTS IN TERMS OF THE, UH, HOW YOU DIVIDE UP THE ARCHITECTURE ON ANY ELEVATION THAT TECHNICALLY YOU CAN'T EXCEED 40 FEET.
IN THIS CASE, THE NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS REALLY THE ONE THAT FACES THE PARKING LOT AND A COUPLE OF SPACES, THERE ARE, UH, ABOUT 46 FEET, I BELIEVE, OR AGAINST SIDE DEVI, BUT IT, UH, COMPLIMENTS THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS WHERE I MEANT TO
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TALK ABOUT THE MINIMUM PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIALS ON A FACADE.AND THE CODE FOR THIS BUILDING TYPE DEFINES PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIALS AS BRICK, STONE, OR GLASS.
AND SO FOR THE MOST PART, AGAIN, THE BUILDING MEETS THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS THE CORNER FEATURE WHERE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, FIBER CEMENT PANELS.
AND STEP DOES RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE OF THE GATEWAY NATURE OF THIS ELEMENT THAT, UM, A HIGHER QUALITY MATERIAL BE USED AT THIS LOCATION AND POTENTIALLY WITH SOME, UH, DETAILING THAT HELPS PICK UP, UH, IT ALREADY DOES TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BUT, UH, DO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF PICKING UP THE LINES FROM THE REST OF THE BUILDING IN HERE.
UM, COUPLE OTHER THOUGHTS HERE IN TERMS OF THE, UH, UH, CONDITIONS ALSO IS THE TOP FLOOR ON SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS IS FIBER CEMENT.
AND WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY ADD TRIM AROUND THOSE WINDOWS SO THAT THERE IS SOME DEPTH TO THOSE.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME DETAILS THAT I BELIEVE ARE SIMPLY, UH, DISCREPANCIES IN THE PLANS, BUT JUST, UH, CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF ON ADDRESSING SOME OF THE PORCH DETAILS AND THE WINDOW HEADERS AND AND SO FORTH.
UH, THERE ARE REQUIRE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE ABOUT THE WINDOW GLAZING IN TERMS OF TINT AND REFLECTIVITY, AND ALSO ANIC FABRIC DETAILS.
AND, UH, WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, JUST TO VERIFY THAT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WILL, UH, MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURES HERE REGARDING THE FACADE TRANSPARENCY AND THE, UM, UH, PRIMARY FACADE MATERIALS.
AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE MIRE IN NATURE.
ON A COUPLE OF OTHER FACADES, THERE IS A MATERIALS BOARD THAT YOU SEE ON THE CHAIR THERE.
AND, UH, UH, THOSE DON'T INCLUDE THE STOREFRONTS.
SO I WANTED TO SHARE THE, UH, SLIDE HERE.
UH, THE WINDOWS WOULD ALL BE, AND CANOPIES AND RAILINGS, ALL WOULD BE A BRONZE COLOR.
THE ONYX WOULD BE, UH, I, I GUESS THE NAME FROM THE COMPANY IS, UH, PORCELAIN GREEN.
AND THE ONLY CONCERN WE HAVE WITH THIS ONE IS WE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT FABRIC.
IT, UH, FROM SOME OF THE LITERATURE, IT SEEMED LIKE IT MAY BE REFLECTIVE OR, UH, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO AGAIN, JUST WANTED VERIFICATION THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN MENTIONED THE SCREEN WALL ABOUT AROUND THE MECHANICAL ENCLOSURE, THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF THAT.
AND THIS IS A SEVEN FOOT TALL ENCLOSURE.
THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE, UH, PUBLIC SIDEWALK.
SO, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT INTRODUCE SOME RELIEF OR SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO BREAK THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
AND THAT THE, UH, AND THE, THE DOORWAY TO THAT ENCLOSURE, AS WELL AS THE REFUSE ENCLOSURE, WHICH IS IN THE PARKING LOT.
UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING WOOD, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A GREAT MATERIAL, BUT DOESN'T ALWAYS WEATHER WELL.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, UM, IT'S, UH, WEATHER RESISTANT MATERIAL.
AND THEN THE SCREEN WALL, WHICH IS THE WALL THAT IS, UH, REQUIRED BY CODE TO SCREEN THE PARKING LOT ALONG BANKER DRIVE, UM, MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
IT PICKS UP ON THE SAME BRICK AS THE BUILDING.
AND THE ENCLOSURE, YOU CAN SEE A PORTION OF IT AND THIS DRAWING, BUT TECHNICALLY IT'S ABOUT EIGHT INCHES TALLER THAN WHAT CODE, WHAT THE CODE LIMIT IS.
SO IN THIS CASE, WE RECOMMENDED THAT THEY JUST REDUCE THE HEIGHT BY EIGHT INCHES AND IT'LL BE IN COMPLIANCE.
AND THEN, UH, WANTED TO MENTION, THERE IS A PROPOSED SIGN THAT THE APPLICANT IS, UH, INCLUDING IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS, UH, THAT WOULD BE MONITORED TO THE END OF THAT WALL BY THE ENTRY DRIVE WHERE THE RED LINE IS ON THIS MAP.
THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS ONE IS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SIGNS IN IN THIS DISTRICT, UH, REQUIRED TO BE AT LEAST EIGHT FEET BEHIND THE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE.
AND SO BEING ON THAT WALL, IT TECHNICALLY DOES NOT MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
UH, THERE ARE ALSO SOME PROVISIONS IN THE CODE ABOUT, UH, CREATIVE SIGNAGE AND QUALITY OF MATERIAL.
AND, AND WE DID NOT HAVE ALL THOSE DETAILS.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE SIGNAGE APPROVAL BE DEFERRED UNTIL THOSE DETAILS ARE AVAILABLE.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS A CHANCE TO STUDY THE LOCATION AND THE MATERIALS A LITTLE FURTHER.
UH, LIGHTING, THEY PROVIDED SOME, UH, OF THE, UH, UH, PHOTOMETRIC CALCULATIONS AND THE, UH, LIGHT FIXTURE
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PROPOSAL.SO WITHIN THE POCKET PARTS, THEY'RE PROPOSING BALLARDS, THAT WOULD BE BRONZE IN COLOR, AND, UH, UM, LOWER LINING FIXTURES.
OBVIOUSLY WITHIN THE PARKING LOT, THEY'RE, UH, PROPOSING, UH, UH, SOMEWHAT DECORATIVE, UH, POLE.
AND THEN ON THE BUILDING, THERE ARE SCONCES THAT AGAIN, WOULD BE, UH, BRONZE IN COLOR.
THE FOR THE METRIC PLAN, WHILE IT SHOWS MOST OF THE, UH, UH, PARKING LOT LIGHTING AND SOME OF THE BUILDING MOUNTED LIGHTING CALCULATIONS, IT DOES NOT SHOW ALL OF THEM.
AND ALSO, UH, WE WOULD NEED TO SEE, UH, HOW FAR OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE THE, UH, UH, LIGHTING COUNTS CARRY.
SO, AGAIN, SIMPLE, UH, RECOMMENDED CONDITION APPROVAL THAT THEY CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THOSE DETAILS AS WE GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
THEY ARE ALSO SHOWING SOME LIGHT FIXTURES THAT WOULD BE OUT ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND AGAIN, THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE COORDINATED WITH THE CITY AS, UH, THOSE DETAILS ARE FINALIZED.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THE PUBLIC ART, UM, AGAIN, THE THREE LOCATIONS THAT MS. KESSLER SHOWED A LITTLE, A LITTLE EARLIER AS POTENTIAL PUBLIC ART LOCATIONS, UM, AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM WORK WITH THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL, UM, INCLUDING THEIR NEW PUBLIC ART BOARD TO, UH, UM, IDENTIFY AND FINALIZE THOSE PUBLIC ART, UH, DESIGN AND INSTALLATION.
SO I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THESE SINCE I WENT THROUGH THEM, UH, BEFORE, BUT THERE ARE FOUR, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURES THAT, UH, YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE AS LONG AS WELL AS 15 WAIVERS.
AND THEN WE BELIEVE THE PLAN MEETS, UH, OR MEETS WITH, WITH SOME OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS AND, AND WAIVERS AND ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURES, UH, ALL OF THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PARKING PLAN AS PROPOSED BEFORE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURES, THE 15 WAIVERS, AND THEN THE, UH, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH 13 CONDITIONS.
AND THAT'S THE SAME ONES THAT I JUST WENT THROUGH.
SO I CAN HAVE THEM AVAILABLE FOR YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THEM AS WE GO THROUGH THE DISCUSSION.
BUT I WILL, UH, STOP HERE AND BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THAT WAS A GREAT BER IN THE BRIDGE STREET CODE
I THINK WE'VE REVIEWED A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD ABOUT BEFORE.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE POINT IN TIME WHERE I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT AND TO STAFF AND COMMISSIONER DAMER.
WE USUALLY START AT THE END, BUT YEAH, I'M GONNA DEFER
WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE OTHER END, MR. GARVIN.
UH, TO START WITH QUESTIONS, WE, WE TYPICALLY GO DOWN, I'M SORRY, JAMIE
UM, ANYWAY, WE USUALLY JUST GO DOWN THE LINE AND GET EVERYBODY TO MAKE THE COMMENTS, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION, REALLY APPRECIATE YOU HIGHLIGHTING THE DIFFERENCES AND, UH, WHERE YOU ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
UM, JUST A FEW QUESTIONS HERE.
I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT YOU SAID AROUND THE PARKING, THE, UM, COMMITMENT.
YOU SAID FOR 25% DISABILITY, WHICH YOU THINK REDUCES THE NEED FOR PARKING.
DID YOU SAY IT WAS FOR THREE YEARS? UM, 30.
AND THEN I, I THINK I CAME TO UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THE SECTION THAT IS BEING RESERVED FOR THE 1 61 RIGHT AWAY, WITH THAT NOT COUNTED, IS THAT THE REASON THAT YOU NEED A WAIVER FOR SOME OF THE GREEN SPACE, OR IS THAT JUST FOR THE DIMENSIONS ON THAT SIDE? UH, WE STILL MEET THE OPEN SPACE 15,000, BUT UM, IT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO SOME OF THE LARGER MOVES AND WHY, WHY THINGS ARE THE WAY THAT THEY ARE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAD THAT SPACE, SOME OF THOSE PROPORTIONS WOULD BE, WOULD BE DIFFERENT ALONG 1 61.
AND THEN, UM, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING MORE FOR THE COMMENT SECTION, BUT JUST WONDERING IF YOU GUYS HAVE AN, ANY INITIAL THOUGHTS ON, UM, THE ENCLOSURE AROUND THE GENERATOR, UH, AS YOU SAW STAFF HAD A CONCERN SIMILAR TO MINE, THAT THAT'S NOW UP AGAINST THE SIDEWALK.
UM, HAVE YOU GUYS CONSIDERED ANY KIND OF MAYBE TREATMENTS OR REVIEWING THE HEIGHT OF THAT, OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU KNOW OF THAT YOU COULD DO TO LESSEN THAT IMPACT TO THE SIDEWALK? UM, THE, THE HEIGHT OF IT IS THE HEIGHT TO SCREEN THE GENERATOR.
UM, SO YOU DON'T SEE IT LIKE FROM THE TOP OF THE WALL.
UM, I THINK WE FEEL LIKE THE BUFFER THAT IT PROVIDES ACTUALLY PROVIDES SOME PRIVACY ON THE OTHER SIDE
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OF IT, BUT I THINK ADDING THE LANDSCAPE IN FRONT OF IT WOULD, WOULD PREVENT IT FROM FEELING SO CLOSE.UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LIMITED BY WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE, THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE, UM, TO THE SIDEWALK.
UM, BUT THE REST OF WHAT I'VE GOT IS PROBABLY MORE COMMENT.
AND I, I DO APPRECIATE THE, THE UPDATED THE DESIGN, UH, ON SOME OF THE BUILDING.
I I MAY HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS ON THAT FIRST.
THE, IN THE UPDATED PLAN YOU TALK ABOUT ON THE, UH, THIS IS THAT SOUTH ELEVATION, CAN WE PULL THAT UP? UH, BASSEN PLEASE.
THE SITE PLAN? YEAH, WELL JUST LIKE NOW, LIKE, KIND OF LIKE FACING THE, THAT SOUTH ELEVATION WHERE THE AWNINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS'LL WORK.
SO IN THE PROPOSAL, AND I THINK THIS, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME WITH REGARD TO THIS BEING MIXED USE.
IT'S NOT MISUSE, BUT THEN IN THE, THE NEW UPDATED NARRATIVE, IT TALKS ABOUT BUSINESS.
HAS THERE BEEN A PROPOSAL NOW FOR BUSINESSES IN THIS, BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, A CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WAS REJECTED BY YOU.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF MAYBE IT'S SPEAKING TOWARDS THE, THE BUSINESS, UM, AREA IT'S DESIGNATED AS BUSINESS USE, UM, BUT THE OFFICES THAT ARE INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE OFFICES FOR STAFF, LIKE THE INTERNAL OFFICES? CORRECT.
YEAH, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN CLEAR IN THE NARRATIVE.
UM, BUT THERE ARE NO BUSINESSES, UM, INCORPORATED AS PART OF THIS PLAN.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES THE AWNINGS FOR THAT FRONT? YOU KNOW, THE, I I KNOW IT'S AN UPDATED PLAN.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES THAT OR OTHER MATERIALS? UM, THIS, THIS CORNER DESIGN IN GENERAL.
WE'VE STUDIED A, A LOT OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS AT THE CORNER.
UM, I THINK THE AWNINGS, WE, WE LIKED HOW MATT RESPONDED AND MADE IT FEEL MORE PEDESTRIAN AND LIKE YOU'RE WALKING BY STOREFRONTS.
IN TERMS OF ACTUAL, ACTUAL MATERIALS FOR THE AWNINGS, WE HAVE NOT, UM, BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF DIFFERENT PRODUCTS OUT THERE.
WHAT OTHER PRODUCTS WOULD BE OUT THERE TO CAPTURE SOMETHING BESIDES USING THE AWNINGS? WE COULD USE SUNSHADES, WE COULD USE A MORE TRADITIONAL CANOPY.
UM, LOTS OF DIFFERENT FABRIC OPTIONS, DIFFERENT LIGHT FILTERING.
SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD AT BOTH CONCEPT PLAN AND AT THE AMENDED, NOT THE AMENDED, UH, BUT THE PDP CONCERNED THE, THE PARKING STRUCTURE, I ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY TYPE OF UNDERGROUND PARKING.
WAS THERE ADDITIONAL EVALUATION FOR, FOR THAT? YEAH, WE DID CONSIDER AND STUDY THAT.
UM, THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE RAN INTO ON THAT WAS THE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING CAN'T ACCOMMODATE DOUBLE LOADED PARKING.
SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A WAY TO GET ALL OF YOUR PARKING BELOW GRADE AND YOU'D STILL REQUIRE SOME SURFACE PARKING AND YOU WOULD NEED THE RAMP TO GET DOWN TO THE PARKING, WHICH WOULD STILL REQUIRE A LOT OF ASPHALT.
UM, AND I THINK KNOWING ALL THOSE HURDLES AND ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE POPULATION AND THE VERTICAL CHALLENGES AND ACCESSIBILITY CHALLENGES THAT, THAT WOULD CREATE, UM, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A FEASIBLE ROUTE FOR US.
GOING WITH THE POPULATION COMPONENT, I HAD ASKED AT CONCEPT PLAN, UM, BECAUSE THE, THE PROPOSAL IN AND OF ITSELF WAS THE FOR FOCUS ON ADULT DISABLED AND ELDERLY.
AND I BELIEVE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO SPOKE AT THE CONCEPT PLAN.
THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FOCUS SOLELY, AND I GUESS THE POPULATION TOTALLY COMPRISED OF ADULT DISABLED AND ELDERLY CAME BACK AT PDP AND I, THE GENTLEMAN SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE, I CAN'T RECALL HIS NAME, CONFIRMED THAT THEY HAD MET WITH LEGAL AND THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT.
BUT CHECKING THE NEWS REPORTS AFTER PDP AND THEN SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAID, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD BE UNABLE TO ENFORCE TO WHERE THE ENTIRE POPULATION WOULD BE ADULT DISABLED AND ELDERLY.
CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT? YEAH, I WILL LET THE, THE OWNER SPEAK ON THAT PIECE OF
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IT.WERE, WERE YOU SORTED? I WAS NOT.
SO DO YOU SWEAR TO AFFIRM AND TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, THAT TESTIMONY TO THE COMMISSION TONIGHT? I DO.
DAN SHYMAN FIVE 99TH AVENUE, COLUMBUS, OHIO.
UM, I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION LAST TIME TO BE, CAN WE HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF UNITS TO BE DESIGNATED FOR SENIORS IN THOSE WITH DISABILITIES, NOT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT? AND, UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT INTERPRETATION OF THE QUESTION, YES, WE CAN SET ASIDE A PERCENTAGE OF THE UNITS FOR SENIORS AND THOSE WITH DISABILITIES, BUT NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ALL THE UNITS.
HAVE YOU WORKED TO OR ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT ENSURING THAT THE ENTIRE POPULATION WOULD BE 100% ADULT DISABLED AND ELDERLY? THAT WOULD BE ANTITHETICAL TO OUR GOAL, WHICH IS FOR IT TO BE A MIXED AGE AND MIXED ABILITY COMMUNITY, UM, IT WOULD SORT OF RUN, UH, AGAINST OUR MISSION FOR IT TO BE SOLELY CONCENTRATED ON THOSE WITH DISABILITIES OR A HUNDRED PERCENT SENIOR.
SO THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE AT CONCEPT PLAN, THE FOCUS WAS ON ADULT DISABLED AND ELDERLY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MY COLLEAGUES AND I, AT LEAST, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WAS WITH THE PRIMARY FOCUS.
I DO KNOW WHAT YOU SAID TO BE TRUE BECAUSE I PULLED UP YOUR APPLICATION WITH FAIR HOUSING AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION OF ADULT DISABLED OR ELDERLY IN THE PROJECT NARRATIVE, WHICH I FOUND SOMEWHAT SURPRISING, FRANKLY.
SO WITH THAT, THE CASE THEN, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS YOUR GOAL PERCENTAGE? BECAUSE WITHIN THE DOCUMENT, AND THIS IS AGAIN WITH FAIR HOUSING, THE FINANCE AGENCY THAT YOU HAD TO SUBMIT, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE, LET'S SEE, AND I CAN I, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOUR EXACT PERCENTAGES, WHAT YOU WOULD WANT FOR ELDERLY COMPARED TO ADULT DISABLED COMPARED TO WORKFORCE POPULATION? OKAY.
SO LET'S TALK STRICTLY ON DISABILITY FOR A SECOND.
DISABILITY, 25% OF THE TOTAL UNIT COUNT, UH, SENIOR PREFERENCE WOULD BE 30 TO 35%.
SO THE REMAINDER WOULD THEN BE WORKFORCE OR GENERAL OCCUPANCY, HOWEVER YOU WANNA PHRASE IT.
CAN YOU GUARANTEE THAT YOU'LL HIT THE 25% AND IS IT 40, 40%? SO, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, FOR THE DISABLED UNITS, YES, WE HAVE TO, THE FUNDING IS DEPENDENT ON THOSE BEING DISABLED UNITS, UH, THE SENIOR YOU WANT YEAH, I, I I WANT TO STEP IN.
SORRY, I I DIDN'T JUST WANTED MARK ON 'EM WITH ALL INCLUSIVE LIVING.
I CAN CONFIRM A COUPLE MORE DETAILS ON THE, ON THE CONCEPT SIDE OF HELPFUL.
SORRY, KIM, DO YOU SWEAR OR, OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? I DO.
UH, DAN SPOKE TO THE INTENT OF THE PROJECT, AND IF IT WAS NOT ALL CLEAR IN EARLIER CORRESPONDENCE, UH, THAT'S, UM, WAS NOT OUR INTENT.
THE PROJECT HAS, UM, NEVER BEEN INTENDED TO BE OF A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, OLDER ADULTS AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
IT'S CONCEPTUALLY, UM, VERY MUCH AN INTERGENERATIONAL COMMUNITY WITH, UH, WITH A, WITH A FIRM INTENT TO CREATE, UM, AN INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT THAT'S NOT SEGREGATED BY AGE OR ABILITY, BUT, BUT IS OPEN.
UM, SO A 40% PREFERENCE FOR OLDER ADULTS WOULD ALLOW, UM, OLDER ADULTS TO WRITE A FIRST REFUSAL TO THOSE UNITS.
AND THEN THE 25%, UM, FIRM SET ASIDE FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, UM, WOULD BE, UM, FOR ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES OF ANY KIND, NOT LIMITED TO, UM, A PARTICULAR DISABILITY.
WHAT IF THERE WAS MORE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAD DISABILITIES THAT WANTED TO HAVE UNITS? HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH THE REST OF THE POPULATION? OH, SURE.
THE REMAINING POPULATION IS, UH, WILL NOT BE LIMITED.
IF YOU'RE A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY AND AN OLDER ADULT AND YOU, YOU INCOME QUALIFY FOR THOSE OTHER UNITS, UM, YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED A PLACE CERTAINLY, UM, IN THAT, UH, IN THAT SET OF, IN IN THAT POPULATION.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE AGE FOR MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY ANSWER JUST AS A REMINDER TO THE COMMISSION THAT THE AGE OF THE RESIDENCE IS GENERALLY NOT WITHIN, UH, THIS COMMISSION'S PURVIEW.
AND THE WAY IT'S MADE UP IS, UH, THE QUESTION FOR YOU TONIGHT.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH YOU OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF THIS SESSION.
WELL, IT IS IN THE PURVIEW AND IT'LL GET TO IT.
WHAT IS THE AGE FOR ELDERLY? WHAT IS THAT DEFINED AS THE OLDER ADULT POPULATION? SURE.
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YOU WERE MENTIONING WHAT THE, IS IT AREA MEDIAN INCOME? IS THAT WHAT A MI STANDS FOR? YES.I DON'T, I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE MY CHEATER, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO BEAR, BEAR WITH ME HERE.
UM, 19 UNITS AT WHAT 30, IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK I GOT 30% A MI BELOW BECAUSE THOSE ARE FOR FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES? CORRECT.
WHO TYPICALLY RELY ON, UM, ON SSDI OR SSI, UH, UH, MONTHLY PAYMENTS.
SO THEY'RE DEEP, THOSE ARE DEEPLY AFFORDABLE UNITS FOR THAT POPULATION.
THE OTHER UNITS WOULD BE ALL BE AFFORDABLE, BUT AT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF, OF AFFORDABILITY.
I'M SEEING IT LOOKS LIKE 60 AND THEN 80, I THINK, AND 80%.
SO THE, THE REASON I ASK THOSE QUESTIONS IS, AND IT'S KIND OF WHAT I GOT AT, AT THE, THE CONCEPT PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KIND OF NAIL DOWN, IS THAT ESPECIALLY WITH TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS, THERE'S PROBABLY A GOOD OPPORTUNITY HERE TO HAVE FAMILIES MM-HMM
SO WE HAVE A SITUATION WITH FAMILIES, AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO MY DELIBERATION COMPONENT, BUT THIS IS WHY I ASKED ABOUT WITH NOT USING THE, THE, AN UNDERGROUND PARKING.
YOU ARE, YOU ARE LOSING THE ABILITY TO HAVE ADDITIONAL, WHAT I WOULD DESCRIBE AS PRIVATE TYPE SPACE.
SO THE PRESUMPTION NOW IS YOU COULD HAVE CHILDREN USING THESE LITTLE PARKS ON 1 61 AND DOUBLE AND CENTER THAT ARE NOT PROTECTED.
UH, THERE'S POTENTIALLY NO AREA FOR THEM TO CONGREGATE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THE PARKING LOT IS ALREADY FILLED UP.
UM, SO I'M GONNA MAKE SURE I DON'T WANT TO AGAIN, GO INTO TOO, TOO MUCH OF DELIBERATION.
I'M GONNA CHECK MY NOTES QUESTION ON THE, THE CORNER FACADE.
UM, UM, I READ THE, I READ THE NARRATIVE.
I'VE, I'VE, WE HEARD WHAT THE STAFF HAD SAID.
WW WOULD YOU BE WI WHAT OTHER, I GUESS WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO USE A DIFFERENT KIND OF MATERIAL TO EFFECTUATE A A STREAMLINE WITH THE BRICK AT THE CORNER WE'RE LOOKING AT, RIGHT? YEP.
I, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF ON WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE DOVE DEEP INTO, IF IT GOES BACK TO BRICK, UM, THERE'S LOTS OF MATERIALS OUT THERE.
THERE'S THE CURVE TO THINK ABOUT.
AND SO WHAT KIND OF MATERIAL WOULD BE SUITED BEST? UM, SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU TODAY.
I, I WILL JUST ADD THAT WE WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME FAMILIES.
WE WANT THIS TO BE AN INTER INTERGENERATIONAL COMMUNITY.
OUR EXPECTATION, AND IT'S BEEN BORNE OUT IN SOME OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE SEEN AROUND THE COUNTRY, IS THAT THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN THE COMMUNITY WILL NOT BE PARTICULARLY HIGH.
UM, AND, UH, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T PREPARE FOR THEM AT ALL, AND THEY'LL CERTAINLY BE WELCOMED AND EMBRACED AND WILL ADD A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY.
BUT, UM, WE'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED SOME OTHER RECREATION AREAS, NOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SITE, BUT IN THE AREA WHERE THEY COULD, UH, WHERE THEY COULD ALSO, UH, UTILIZE SOME OUTDOOR SPACE.
H HOW LONG DOES THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE, THE QUOTA COMPONENT, IS IT 30 YEARS? I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S THE PIECE.
HOW LONG DOES IT STAY FROM THE OBLIGATION BASED ON THE TAX CREDITS? HOW LONG DOES IT STAY FOR THOSE, THE, THE 25, 40 AND 35? DO WE KNOW? YES.
THERE'S A, THERE'S AN INITIAL 15 YEAR COMPLIANCE PERIOD, AND THEN IT ENTERS WHAT'S CALLED AN EXTENDED USE PERIOD, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL 15 YEARS THAT'S OBLIGATED.
WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE EXPIRATION OF THE EXTENSION AFTER 30 YEARS? SO THERE'S TYPICALLY A FEW THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN.
WHAT'S THE MOST COMMON THING TO DO IS TO REGO THROUGH THE TAX CREDIT PROCESS AND RESET THE 30 YEAR TIMELINE.
IT COULD BE HYPOTHETICALLY SOLD TO A THIRD PARTY IF THEY WERE INTERESTED.
MORE TIMES THAN NOT, IT JUST GETS SYNDICATED THROUGH THE TAX CREDIT PROCESS.
AND I, I WOULD ALSO PUT OUT THAT ALL IN HAS THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AT THE END OF THAT PERIOD.
AND THAT WOULD BE OUR INTENT, UM, BECAUSE WE WANNA MAINTAIN THIS, UH, FOR THE VERY POPULATIONS THAT WE'VE DEDICATED THE, THE CONCEPT TO.
CAN I JUST TURN IT OVER? TO MS. ROUSH ABOUT, I MEAN, MR. DESER HAS BEEN RAISING A LOT OF ISSUES ABOUT FAMILIES AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING.
I MEAN, THIS ISN'T A MIXED USE ZONE, WHICH ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL FROM THE COMMISSION STANDPOINT, THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT NECESSARILY WORRYING ABOUT FAMILIES OR NOT FAMILIES AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR, UM, OR REVIEWING, DOING OUR REVIEW, IT IS LARGELY RELATED TO, OR SOLELY RELATED TO THE USES.
AND WHETHER THAT'S PERMITTED RES, WHETHER THAT'S RESIDENTIAL AND THE TYPE OF THAT AND
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WHO'S LIVING IN THAT IS NOT FROM THE PLANNING'S PURVIEW.LIKE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING MET AND IN OPEN SPACE INCLUDED IN THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OPEN SPACES THAT ARE PROVIDED, REGARDLESS OF WHO'S LIVING IN THE BUILDING, CAN BE ACCOMMODATED AND DONE SAFELY AND MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, BASSAM, WHEN THE CALCULATIONS FOR LOT SIZE WERE MADE, DO THEY INCLUDE THE PORTION ON 1 61 THAT THE APPLICANTS ARE GOING TO LET THE CITY USE? NO.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S BEING DEDICATED TO THE CITY IS OUTSIDE OF THE CALCULATOR.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, LOT COVERAGE IS INDEPENDENT OF THAT.
IT'S JUST THE PARCEL THAT THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER.
SO YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T USE THAT IN LOT COVERAGE CALCULATIONS THEN? CORRECT.
ALRIGHT THEN THAT, THAT SORT OF COVERS MY SECOND, WELL, I, I'LL GO INTO THE SECOND QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THREE OF THE WAIVERS, THEY KIND OF SUGGEST THE FOOTPRINT'S A LITTLE TOO BIG FOR THE SITE BECAUSE YOU, WE'VE GOT THE ENCROACHMENT ON, UM, DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE.
WE'RE EXCEEDING DEVELOPMENT COVER.
WE CAN'T MAKE THE PARKING WORK.
AND IT, AND I, I REALIZE THE POPULATION MAY NOT REQUIRE ALL THIS PARKING, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLEAR FROM THE SITE PLAN WE CAN'T MAKE IT WORK UNLESS WE COUNT THE ON STREET PARKING.
SO ARE THESE, UM, WAIVER REQUESTS COMPARABLE TO WHAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN SIMILAR PROJECTS? YEAH, AND ACTUALLY I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S AN ENCROACHMENT ON DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE.
THE ONLY ENCROACHMENT IS THREE DD EXISTING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
BUT YES, I THINK THE REST OF IT IS VERY COMPARABLE AND, UH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN THIS PROCESS STARTED, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG 1 61 AND IT KIND OF EVOLVED.
SO THEY HAD GONE PRI FAR WITH THEIR PLANNING AND THEN WE KEPT FINDING THINGS THAT THEY KEPT ADAPTING TO.
SO IT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE ELSEWHERE ON THE BRIDGE STREET THIS WAY.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN GREAT AT ADAPTING TO, UM, US FINDING OUT THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THEY NEEDED TO DEDICATE OR CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO THE WAIVERS ARE EXACTLY WHAT, UH, THE WHY THEY WERE BUILT INTO THE CODE IS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EACH SITE MAY HAVE CERTAIN, UM, CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THAT SITE.
BUT THE OVERALL INTENT AND THE REALLY, THE AMOUNT OF THE, UH, THE PERCENTAGES OF THOSE WAIVERS.
I KNOW IT SOUNDS 15 IS A LOT OF WAIVERS, BUT THOSE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE NUMBERS THAT ARE REQUIRED TECHNICALLY AND WHAT THE WAIVERS ARE, ARE PRETTY SMALL.
AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURES AND THE WAIVERS SORT OF SUPPORT YOUR DESIGN INTENT.
NOW THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT WILL INCLUDE 13 CONDITIONS.
UM, BUT HAVE YOU READ THROUGH THOSE AND DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON ANY OF THOSE CONDITIONS? UM, YES, WE'VE READ THROUGH THEM, TALKED WITH BASSAM ABOUT THEM AS WELL.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY AT THIS EXACT MOMENT, UM, THAT I WANT TO SPEAK ON.
I THINK THE ONE THAT MR. DESLER BROUGHT UP, UM, ABOUT THE FACADE, WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, I THINK THAT'S ONE THAT WE'LL DEFINITELY BE WORKING THROUGH WITH STAFF.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST ONE THAT, THAT STANDS OUT TO ME AT THE MOMENT.
SO YOU, IF, IF WE WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL OF ALL OF THOSE, YOU WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT? YES.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONDITIONS LISTED.
THANK YOU MS. HAR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, I THINK WITH THE CITY AND SO FORTH, BUT FIRST OF ALL, UM, THE RECEPTACLES, ARE THEY CLOSE TO THE BANK'S RECEPTACLE OR WILL THEY BE KIND OF IN THE SAME AREA? IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ON THAT SIDE.
YOU MEAN THE, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE? YEAH, DUMPSTER.
THEY ARE CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY, THE BANK PROPERTY, BUT THEY'RE WITHIN THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND THEY'RE SCREENED AND LANDSCAPED.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE CITY MOVES TOWARDS WHERE THEY KIND OF SAY, HEY, THESE ARE CLOSE TOGETHER.
HOW CAN WE MAKE THESE A LITTLE BIT MORE AMENABLE? SINCE IT'S ON THAT SIDE? IT'S PRETTY VISIBLE THAT WAY.
YEAH, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S SCREENED HERE.
THE EXPECTATION IS AT SOME POINT THE BANK PROPERTY WILL LIKELY REDEVELOP.
AND SO THE UH, UM, MAIN CONCERN AT THIS POINT IS, IS THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, ENCLOSURE IN THE RIGHT SPOT.
AND AS YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL SITE, IT IS THE MOST CONVENIENT TO
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THE RESIDENTS WHILE STILL BEING SCREENED AND, AND PROTECTED WITH A BRICK ENCLOSURE AND THE LANDSCAPING.JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WITH THAT.
UM, SO I'M THINKING ABOUT THE BUS STOP, UM, AND LINK US.
SO YOU HAVE TO CROSS DOUBLE AND CENTER TO GET TO THE BUS STOP.
UM, I WAS WONDERING, UH, SINCE LINK US IS IS, UH, SUCH AN INNOVATIVE, INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY THAT'S BEFORE US, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY TO MOVE IT CLOSER? IS ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT MOVING IT CLOSER TO THIS PROJECT, UM, FOR JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT EASIER, NICER AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENTS? THANK YOU.
SO THOSE ARE DETAILS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE WORKED THROUGH, UH, THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED.
UH, AT THIS POINT, ONE OF THE CONCEPTS THAT'S BEING SHOWN ON THIS MM-HMM
SO THERE IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY OF THINKING ABOUT HOW, UH, THE TRAFFIC AND THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND THE DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION WILL HAPPEN.
AND WITH THAT, THE PLAN IS TO SIGNIFICANTLY EVENTUALLY REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT THERE.
SO, UH, BUT YES, I THINK AS THAT EVOLVES AND WHERE RESIDENTS ARE NEEDING IT AND WHERE, UH, UH, IT'S MOST EFFECTIVE, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT CODA AND, AND ALL THE ENTITIES WOULD CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND, UH, BUT THEN THAT BRINGS, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE SPEED WOULD CHANGE ON 1 61 DUBLIN GRANDVIEW.
THE, THE INTENT IS IN THE FUTURE THAT, THAT WOULD BE 25 MILES PER HOUR.
AND THEN JUST SO WE'RE ON, ON THAT AS WELL.
DUBLIN CENTER IS 25 TODAY IS AND BANKER IS 25.
IS THAT I BELIEVE BANKER MAY BE 25.
I AM NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHETHER DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE IS 25 OR 35 RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT MAY BE A CONSIDERATION TO SPEAK ABOUT TOO LATER WHILE YOU'RE ALL MEETING.
AND THEN, UM, IS ALL THE ART THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING TOWARDS, UH, THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL? THE, THE INTENT IS THE OKAY.
NEW, UH, PUBLIC ART BOARD WITH REVIEW AND HELP JUDGE AND HELP FACILITATE THE PUBLIC ARTS.
AND MY LAST QUESTION TOO IS, UM, THANKS AGAIN FOR BEING HERE.
UM, IS IS CERTIFIED INSTALLERS, SO I, I THINK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT.
UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE, WOULD BE CONSIDERING OBVIOUSLY AND MOVING FORWARD ON? YES.
ARE YOU ASKING FOR A SPECIFIC PRODUCT OR MATERIAL WITH THE WINDOWS OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT SEEM TO BE THE CONCERN PEOPLE ARE HAVING AND YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, ALL OF THAT, UM, AS PART OF OUR, OUR DOCUMENTS THAT WE ULTIMATELY SUBMIT AND THE CONTRACTOR BUILDS FROM THEIR SPECIFICATIONS AND THERE'S INSTALLER REQUIREMENTS, WARRANTY REQUIREMENTS.
SO ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS WILL BE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE, THE PERMIT PROCESS.
AND LIKE THE, TO BE CERTIFIED INSTALLERS SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S QUITE IMPORTANT IN A, A, A TRADE THAT REALLY BENEFITS HERE IN DUBLIN.
I THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, FOR, UH, THE PRESENTATION IS VERY HELPFUL AND, UM, VERY SPECIFIC AS AS TO THE NEW OR THE, THE UPDATES.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR, UH, FOR STAFF.
UM, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THIS, BUT THAT'S KINDA WHAT WE DO.
SO I'M GONNA SAY THE, THE, THE PARKING COUNT, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS.
THE PARKING COUNT IS BASED ON BASED PERCENTAGES OF UNITS DESIGNATED FOR CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS.
WE DON'T NEED TO GET IN THOSE DETAILS AGAIN, BUT IF WE APPROVE THE WAIVER FOR THE REDUCTION OF PARKING IS PART OF THAT APPROVAL, THOSE PERCENTAGES, FOR INSTANCE, IF THOSE PERCENTAGES CHANGE OR THEY DECIDE THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANY KIND OF INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE, ARE THEY TIED TO, TO THAT AS PART OF THIS WAIVER APPROVAL? SO, YEAH, THE PARKING PLAN IS TIED TO THE USE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
SO IF THAT WERE TO CHANGE, UH, THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO, SO THAT WOULD BE RE-REVIEWED FOR THE, THE CHANGE.
UM, AND THEN THE QUESTION I HAD ON THE, UM, EACH OF OUR, OUR THINGS WE WANNA PICK ON THE, THE RTUS, UM, THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
DRAWING THE SITE LINE STUDIES.
IS THERE WITH THE REDUCTION IN THE PARAPETS, DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE, UM, SPECIFICITY AROUND THE LOCATION OF RT UNITS ON THE ROOF? I, I ASSUME YOU'VE GOT IT MOSTLY DESIGNED, BUT THE RTUS SIZES THEMSELVES, YOU MENTIONED RES POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL TYPE UNITS.
BUT WHEN WE, WHEN WE APPROVE THE REDUCTION OF THE PARAPETS, ARE WE ALSO, ARE THEY ALSO LIMITED TO SIZES OF THOSE UNITS AND PLACEMENT OF THOSE UNITS ON THE ROOF? YEAH, SO MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS THE PLAN IS THOSE
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WOULD BE, THE ROOF WOULD SLOPE TOWARDS THE MIDDLE, AND SO THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE LOWER THAN THE, UM, TOP OF THE ROOF AT THE EDGES.AND THOSE DETAILS WOULD BE LOOKED AT AGAIN WHEN THEY SUBMIT FOR PERMITS.
SO I GUESS IF WE GO, IF, IF THEY GO BACK AND RE RE THE, THEIR MECHANICAL ENGINEERS DESIGN AND SAY, OH, THEY CAN'T GO THERE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY PUSH 'EM OUT.
IS THAT PART OF THE, I MEAN, IS THAT UNDER STAFF APPROVAL? IS THAT PART OF THIS APPROVAL? WE, WE WOULD LOOK AT IT AT THE PERMITTING, UH, STANDPOINT AND MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING, SO WITH EVERY PROJECT THERE IS A CERTAIN LEEWAY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS, WHICH WE ISSUE AND WE REPORT TO YOU.
UH, IF IT'S EXCEEDS THAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY COME BACK TO YOU.
'CAUSE I JUST TO MAKE SURE IF THAT, IF THAT CHANGES, THEN THE PARAPET HEIGHT CONVERSATION IS KIND OF REVISITED BY STAFF.
HEY JAMIE, I THINK YOU, YOU CAN ADD A, WE CAN ADD A CONDITION TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO THIS THAT CAN BE ADDED ON.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
EVERYBODY'S, I'M JUST THROWING THAT'S AN OPTION OUT THERE.
IF EVERYBODY'S AS CONCERNED AS I AM, THAT'S
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION TOO, SORRY, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE, UH, GENERATOR SCREEN OR THE EQUIPMENT SCREEN, UM, SEEMS TO BE, I GUESS I'M MORE IN LINE, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT BEING HIRED TO SCREEN, TO FULLY SCREEN THE GENERATOR.
I GUESS WHAT I, I UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT STAFF'S TAKE ON REDUCE THE HEIGHT, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU CAN SEE THE GENERATOR? I KNOW, I KNOW IT'S HIGHER AND MOST PEOPLE WON'T SEE IT, BUT REDUCING THE HEIGHTS OBVIOUSLY GONNA EXPOSE, POTENTIALLY EXPOSE THE GENERATOR.
THE, THE INTENT OF THE WORDING AND THE STAFF REPORT WAS NOT TO REDUCE IT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT'S TO, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT HOW TALL THE EQUIPMENT IS, SO, UH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE IS ANY WAY THAT IT COULD BE A LITTLE LESS AND STILL SCREEN THE EQUIPMENT.
BUT IF, IF SEVEN FEET IS REQUIRED, WE'RE NOT SAYING IT SHOULD, WE DEFINITELY WANT IT TO BE COMPLETELY SCREENED BECAUSE THE GENERATOR SAID IN HERE WAS SIX FOOT 5, 6, 6, WHATEVER.
SO IT SEEMS THAT THAT SCREEN IS A SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO SCREEN THE GENERATOR AT HEIGHT.
UM, OKAY, SO
AND I KNOW THIS FALLS INTO, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, BUT WE, LAST TIME YOU'RE HERE, WE ASKED TO OPEN UP THE, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER POCKET PARK PLAZA WE'RE CALLING IT.
UM, NOW THAT YOU'VE OPENED IT UP, IT LOOKS MET OUR, OUR REQUEST.
UM, HOW DOES THAT, UM, I GUESS JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THE SECURITY.
SO WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR RESIDENT? I MEAN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A UNIT RATE THERE.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR COMMUNITY AREA IN THERE THAT'S GONNA, OBVIOUSLY THE GOAL OF IT WOULD TO BE TO DRAW MORE PUBLIC INTO THAT AREA.
WHAT'S THE SECURITY MEASURES IN PLACE OR DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT SECURITY? AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING TWO SIDES OF OUR MOUTH 'CAUSE WE ASKED YOU TO DO IT, YOU DID IT, NOW WE'RE QUESTIONING IT.
BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE SECURITY? YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.
THE SECURITY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE TEAM.
UM, THOSE DOORS WILL BE BADGED, SO THOSE SPECIFIC DOORS THERE WON'T BE OPEN AT ALL TIMES TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, IF SOMETHING WAS GOING ON, LIKE IN THE COMMUNITY SPACE, THEY, THEY COULD BE.
UM, BUT IN GENERAL, NO, NOT EVERYBODY COULD JUST OKAY.
RIGHT, BUT, AND YOU FEEL IT'S OPEN ENOUGH THAT IF RESIDENTS ARE HANGING OUT THERE IN PUBLIC'S THERE, IT'S NOT BE AN ISSUE.
YEAH, I THINK WE, WE APPRECIATE THAT THAT SPACE PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY TO BE TOGETHER.
MR. ICK, I BELIEVE THAT IS PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, SO WE CAN'T RIGHT.
THEY'RE GETTING CREDIT FOR PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, SO WE CAN'T, THEY CAN'T SECURE IT BECAUSE IT'S PUBLIC.
I I JUST MEANT MORE ABOUT JUST BUILDING SECURITY.
AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING YOU MEAN LIKE AT THE DOOR? YEAH, WE'RE SAYING, AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID AND I, AND I THINK IT'S, IT IS A GREAT CHANGE.
I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE SECURITY MEASURES THERE.
UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS THE, THE BACK TO THE, UH, THE CANOPIES.
UM, DO THEY HAVE, I MEAN, I, I THINK TO ME IT LOOKS, I HATE TO SAY IT THIS WAY, BUT IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT GIMMICKY.
LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW THAT IT'S RETAIL OR BUSINESS USE OR SOME OTHER USE AND IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE TYPICALLY DON'T DO THESE FAKE, I'LL CALL IT A FAKE FACADE.
AGAIN, NO OFFENSE TO DESIGN, BUT IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE OR IS THERE AN OPPOR LIKE, OR REMOVE 'EM ALL TOGETHER? I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD SOLUTION TOO.
HAVE YOU, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT? YEAH.
I THINK, UM, BASED ON COMMENTS WE HAD HEARD, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A WAY TO BRING IN THAT MIXED USE FEEL.
UM, I CAN SEE THAT SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT WHERE IT STARTS TO FEEL FORCED.
UM, WITHOUT THEM, WE THOUGHT THE ELEVATION WORKED, UM, STILL.
AND NOW WITH THE STOREFRONT CHANGING, I, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO STUDYING WITHOUT IT OR WITH A DIFFERENT MATERIAL.
DOES, DOES THE SHADING ON YOUR SOUTH ELEVATION THAT DOES PROVIDE SUPPORT YOUR LEAD CERTIFICATION? UM, IT DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY TO, TO MY CURRENT KNOWLEDGE, IT DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY.
UM, IT IS A GOOD POINT THAT IT'S A SOUTH ELEVATION.
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THAT STOREFRONT WOULD HAVE, UM, ROLLER SHADES AT THAT POINT TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, SHADING WHEN NEEDED SO THAT THE SUN WASN'T DIRECTLY GLANCING IN.BUT IT IS AN ADDED BENEFIT OF THOSE AWNINGS MM-HMM
OR ANY TYPE OF CANOPY OR SUNSHADE THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE THAT IT WOULD PREVENT SOME OF THAT GLARE INSIDE.
HILLARY, ARE YOU, UH, EXEMPTING YOURSELF? NO, I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE QUESTION.
BASED ON SOMETHING JAMIE ASKED, UM, THE, WITH THE, TO GO BACK TO PARKING, WHICH SEEMS TO BE A POPULAR TOPIC.
UM, IS THERE ANY, UM, THOUGHTS ABOUT OVERFLOW? I'M WORRIED THAT THE WILL BE TWO CARS BROUGHT IN FOR SEVERAL UNITS AND THE WAIVER PROVIDES ONLY FOR ONE CAR PER UNIT.
SO WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PARK, AT LEAST FROM STAFF STAFF'S EXPERIENCE WITH THE PROJECTS OF SIMILAR NATURE IS THE TECHNICAL PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE ALWAYS, UH, ASKING FOR A LOT MORE THAN WHAT, UH, TYPICALLY HAPPENS IN THESE PROJECTS.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK THE EXAMPLES THAT THEY PROVIDED IN THE, UH, UH, PARKING PLAN ANALYSIS, SOME OF 'EM HAD ALMOST HALF AS MANY PARKING SPACES AS THIS ONE.
AND SO, UH, BASED ON, OBVIOUSLY THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE POPULATION, UH, BE COMFORTABLE LIVING IN THIS PLACE.
SO BASED ON THEIR ANALYSIS AND OUR EXPERIENCE, WE THINK THAT ONE FOR ONE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH BECAUSE A LOT OF THE FOLKS IN HERE WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE DRIVING, EVEN IF SOMEBODY HAS TWO CARS IN ANOTHER UNIT.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
UM, THIS ONE'S FOR STAFF, JUST A, A RESULT OF DISCUSSION ON THE, THAT CORNER UNIT BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MATERIAL UPGRADED.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE THEY'RE WORKING WITH STAFF, WHAT MATERIALS BESIDES BRICK, WOULD YOU CONSIDER HIGHER END MATERIALS? WHAT ARE SOME OTHER POSSIBILITIES YOU MIGHT AGREE TO IN THAT SCENARIO? UH, OBVIOUSLY OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE BRICK, BUT I THINK THERE ARE OTHER MATERIALS LIKE, UH, UH, SOME HIGH QUALITY METAL PANELS THAT COULD GO THERE OR, UM, OTHER, UH, CERAMIC MATERIALS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT MAY NOT HAVE THE, UH, POTENTIAL OF, UH, DISTORTING IN THE FUTURE.
UM, PASTOR, COULD YOU PULL UP THE REED WALL GRAPHIC? AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, UM, THAT WALL IS BEING USED TO HIDE CARS RIGHT FROM THE STREET AND, AND HEADLIGHTS.
AND, AND SO YOU SAID IT, IT'S, IT'S TOO TALL FOR THE, IT DOESN'T MEET CODE, BUT WHAT IS THE CODE? THE RIGHT HEIGHT TO BLOCK HEADLIGHTS FROM CARS PROJECTING OUT A CODE SPECIFICALLY, UH, PROVIDES A RANGE THAT SAYS IT CANNOT EXCEED 36 INCHES.
AND I THINK THERE'S A MINIMUM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT'S 22 INCHES.
SO, BUT IT SPECIFICALLY SETS A LIMIT OF 36 INCHES.
SO, SO AN F-150 TRUCK THAT SETS UP OR WHATEVER, WILL IT, WILL IT BLOCK THE LIGHTS AND KIND OF PROVIDE THAT SCREENING OF VEHICLES? I PRESUME IT DOES SINCE THAT'S IN THE CODE, BUT I, I HAVEN'T TRIED IT.
MY CAR'S TOO LOW TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT AND EXACTLY, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF VEHICLES AND I JUST, YOU SAID IT DOESN'T MEAN CODE, BUT I'M THINKING IN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, IT'S, YOU KNOW, USUALLY, TYPICALLY WE WOULD HAVE LANDSCAPE OR SOMETHING TO ACT AS THAT BUFFER, BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S A WALL AND I THINK IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE OF A HEIGHT THAT IS A REASONABLE HEIGHT TO BLOCK, UM, THE VIEW OF VEHICLES AND HEADLIGHTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW TO, I DUNNO WHAT THAT IS,
'CAUSE IF IT'S NOT, I ASSUME IT HAS TO, IT SHOULD BE CODE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT THE CODE IS INTENDED TO DO, IS TO USE WALLS LIKE THAT TO BLOCK USE OF VEHICLES AND HEADLIGHTS.
UM, AND IT WOULD BE USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH LANDSCAPING HERE, SO IT WOULDN'T BE JUST THE WALL, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE LANDSCAPING WOULD BE IN FRONT OF IT.
SO PRESUMABLY IT WOULDN'T BE TALLER THAN
CAN YOU PULL UP THE ART? YOU HAD A, A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWED WHERE THE ART WAS PROPOSED AND OKAY, GREAT.
I THINK I, I THINK THAT THAT CLARIFIES FOR ME EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED, SO THAT'S GREAT.
UM, I'M GONNA TURN TO THE APPLICANT.
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AGAIN, YOU'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH THE, UM, THE ARTS FOLKS ON THE ACTUAL DESIGN AND OF, OF THE ART.AND I THINK THE, THE ONE AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A GESTURE THERE.
YOU'VE GOT THE MURAL ON THE BUILDING, AND THEN YOU'VE ADDED ANOTHER PIECE AT THAT CORNER.
AND THEN I'M THINKING AT THE BACK PLAZA THAT THERE'S NO ART THERE, BUT THERE IS A FOUNTAIN
AND THE, AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS BECAUSE, UH, BASSMAN HIS, UH, PRESENTATION TALKED ABOUT THAT GREENWAY COMING DOWN AND THIS CORNER BEING REALLY IMPORTANT TO KIND OF TERMINATE THAT GREEN VISTA.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, AND, AND IT BEING A MAJOR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC OPEN SPACE THAT WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT FROM PUBLIC ART AND, AND LANDSCAPE.
UM, THAT WE ACTUALLY DID PREVIOUSLY, WE HAD WHERE THAT FOUNTAIN WAS IN OUR LOCATION, AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE DECIDED TO INCORPORATE THAT WATER FEATURE, AND YOU CAN SEE IT THERE, IT IS KIND OF AN ARTISTIC EXPRESSION, UM, BELOW THAT FEATURE, UM, WHERE YOU SEE LIKE THE SECOND CIRCLE BELOW IT, UM, THAT IS LIKE A SPECIAL TREE.
AND I CAN HAVE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TALK ABOUT THAT TREE.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S EXACT NAME, BUT, UM, I THINK WE ARE STILL OPEN.
IF THERE WAS ART THERE THAT MADE SENSE, WE WERE OPEN TO IT.
I THINK, UM, WE DID WANNA PRIORITIZE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE SITE AND NOT JUST PUT IT EVERYWHERE TO PUT IT EVERYWHERE, BUT EITHER ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS ARE INCORPORATED SOMEWHERE ELSE WITHIN THAT POCKET PARK CERTAINLY COULD BE APPROPRIATE.
RIGHT? SO FOUNTAINS ARE GREAT, BUT THEY HAVE A SEASONALITY TO THEM.
SO IN THE WINTER THERE'S LIKELY NOT A FOUNTAIN, IT'S JUST WHATEVER CONTAINS THE WATER OR HOWEVER THE, SO, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ART COULD BE THERE ALL YEAR ROUND.
SO, AND MAYBE A FOUNTAIN COULD BE ART TOO, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, WHEN IT'S OFF, DOES IT, IS IT REALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THAT SPACE? AND AGAIN, I'M THINKING OF IT FROM THE BIGGER CONTEXT OF THIS BEING A, A CONNECTOR.
SO I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE OPEN TO EXPLORING THAT.
AND I DO HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT LANDSCAPE, UM, RELATED TO THE POLLINATOR GARDEN, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT, BUT I JUST, BUT AGAIN, POLLINATOR GARDENS TEND TO BE, UM, SEASONAL AND SO IN THE WINTER THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
AND SO AGAIN, IN TERMS OF A YEAR-ROUND TERMINUS TO THIS, THE GREENWAY THAT COMES DOWN FROM WHETHER IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO PUT PLANT MATERIAL THERE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, EVERGREEN OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD BE THERE ALL YEAR ROUND AND, AND PULL THE POLLINATOR GARDEN INTO THE, INTO THE SPACE.
SO IT BECOMES MORE OF A FOCUS OF IT.
HAD YOU CONSIDERED THAT AT ALL? YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY IN THAT POCKET PARK.
I THINK THAT BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT THAT WE COULD DO MORE OF AN EVERGREEN FEATURE WHERE IT'S MORE VISIBLE AND THEN THE POLLINATOR PIECE MOVES MORE INWARD.
I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.
I HAVE ONE OTHER, UM, COMMENT AND EXCUSE ME, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THIS DRAWING.
YOU HAVE TWO, UM, PARKING LOT LIGHTS THAT ARE SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAVEMENT.
AND MY EXPERIENCE WITH LIGHTS LIKE THAT IS THAT THEY'RE SUBJECT TO BEING HIT BY CARS CONSTANTLY.
THEY'RE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE DETAIL, BUT I'M ASSUMING IT'S SITTING ON A TWO FOOT CONCRETE BASE AND THEN THERE'S A POLE ABOVE IT SO THAT IT PROTECTS THE, THE ALUMINUM POLE.
UM, YEAH, IT'S A, THERE IS A DETAIL ON THE SITE PHOTOMETRIC.
IT'S A SIX INCH BASE, SIX INCH, UM, WHICH I BELIEVE ALIGNS WITH THE CODE.
SO IT CAN'T GO OVER SIX INCHES, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN THE CHALLENGE OF THAT, THERE'S NO PROTECTION FROM CARS IF CARS COULD HIT IT.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, HAD YOU CONSIDERED, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO SINGLE POLES IN THE PARK CO CON, UM, COMBINING THEM AND HAVE A DOUBLE-HEADED LIGHT IN THE ISLAND MM-HMM
SO THEY'RE FACING EACH DIRECTION INTO THE PARKING LOT.
NOW I DON'T HAVE THE PHOTOMETRICS OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKS.
BUT THAT TO ME WOULD, WOULD PROVIDE A MORE PROTECTIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE LIGHTING AND WOULD BE POTENTIALLY MORE ATTRACTIVE.
YEAH, CERTAINLY WE COULD, WE COULD RUN THAT ON THE PHOTOMETRIC AND SEE IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS STILL.
SORRY, THERE'S THREE IN THE PHOTOMETRIC, RIGHT? IN THAT SPACE.
YEAH, BUT THERE'S ONLY, UM, ONE IS IN THE, IN OUR ISLAND ALREADY, I THINK BASSAM, CAN YOU PULL THAT UP? THERE'S THE TWO.
THIS IS THE, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
RIGHT? AND THEN THERE'S ONE IN THE ISLAND.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE READING IT RIGHT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SHOW THE ISLANDS ME.
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OKAY.I, UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SO LET'S GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT AND EVERYBODY GOT THE COPY OF THE COMMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR US.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, IN FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS PROJECT? AND IF SO, PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM.
OKAY, I SEE NOBODY STANDING UP.
SO I ASSUME THAT WE HAVE NOBODY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, SO I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
AND I'M NOT GONNA OPEN UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR YOUR FOR FINAL DISCUSSION.
AND I'M GONNA START WITH MR. CHINOOK BECAUSE HE JUST, HE SCOWLED AT ME THE LAST TIME.
UM, I, AGAIN, I I REALLY APPRECIATE, I, I THINK THIS, UH, WHOLE PROCESS, I KNOW WHETHER HOW YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT IT HAS BEEN LONG, PAINFUL, WHATEVER.
I THINK IT SHOWS IT'S WORKING.
'CAUSE I, WE'VE GOTTEN TO A POINT WITH THE SITE.
I PERSONALLY FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT IT, WHERE YOU ARE INCLUDING ALL THE WAIVERS.
I KNOW STAFF'S WORKED VERY HARD ON IT TOO, SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE CONCESSIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE MADE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ALL THE, ALL THE WORK STAFF HAS HAS CONTRIBUTED AS WELL AS THE COMMENTS FROM, FROM OUR GROUP HERE THAT IT, IT, IT TO ME AGAIN SHOWS THAT IT'S WORKING.
WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE COME A LONG WAY AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY GREAT, GREAT BUILDING, GREAT SPACE AND A LOT OF REALLY, REALLY NICE PART OPEN SPACE AND, AND, AND PUBLIC SPACE.
SO, UM, COMMEND YOU ALL FOR, FOR ALL OF THAT.
UM, I, AGAIN, I I BROUGHT UP THOSE POINTS WHEN I, AND, AND MY, MY QUESTIONING.
UM, I, I DO THINK, UH, I'M, I'M MORE IN FAVOR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT, OF, OF LEAVING THE, UM, GENERATOR FULLY SCREENED.
I THINK WE CAN, UM, I, I, I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING ELSE WITH THOSE CANOPIES IF WE CAN JUST REMOVE 'EM OR COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT SOLUTION THERE, WHICH I TRUST AND, UH, THAT THAT STAFF CAN WORK ON IT, UM, WITH YOU ALL.
UM, BUT GENERALLY I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF IT AND, AND IN FAVOR OF THE CONDITIONS.
I WOULD LOVE TO WRITE A CONDITION IN THERE ON THE PARAPETS IF WE ALL AGREE TO IT.
BUT, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT FURTHER, BUT GENERALLY VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF WHERE WE, WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH IT.
MS. DEISTER, DO YOU WANT TO PROVIDE SOME COMMENT
I DON'T HAVE THE HISTORY THAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION HAS WITH IT.
UM, BUT I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WHEN I SAW IT AND LIKE, THE USE FOR THAT CORNER, I THINK IT'S A GREAT ADDITION TO THAT AREA.
YOU CAN TELL ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE, UM, ALONG WITH THE CITY AND COLLABORATING TOGETHER.
I'M THRILLED ABOUT THE IDEA WITH THE US GREEN BUILDING AND BUILDING THAT WITH SUSTAINABILITY.
UM, THE SITE AND TRAFFIC AND THE MOBILITY IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN WALK TO BRIDGE PARK, YOU CAN GET OVER TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SHOPS AT, AT, UM, AT RIVER EDGE.
YOU CAN WALK TO WORK, YOU CAN GO TO THE GROCERY, YOU CAN GO TO SOME RESTAURANTS.
UM, IT IS A PLACE TO LIVE, ESPECIALLY, UM, TO MAKE ANYONE WHATEVER AGE GROUP YOU ARE, TO FEEL LIKE IT'S A VERY INDEPENDENT PLACE TO LIVE, WHICH I THINK IS, UM, A, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
UH, ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK ABOUT THE HIGH QUALITY OF MATERIALS AND I HOPE YOU ALL COME TO THAT, BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE INSTALLATION OF IT TOO, THAT WE WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, I AGREE, THE AWNINGS, UM, THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING ELSE YOU CAN, UH, WORK TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE YOU'RE, UH, BRINGING ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE TREE AROUND THAT, THAT WAY TOO.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S I IMPORT IMPORTANT AS WELL AS THE LIGHTING.
I GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC ART, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, AND ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL DOES A BEAUTIFUL JOB.
UH, YOU'LL ENJOY WORKING WITH THEM, BUT ALSO CONSIDER BRINGING IN THE HIGH HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT OR SO TO JOIN THE COMMITTEE FROM, UM, THE DUBLIN SCHOOLS HERE.
I THINK THEY, IT'D BE A GREAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR THEM, BUT ALSO THEY WOULD HAVE A LOT TO ADD, THINK ABOUT THE BUS STOPS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH, WITH THE LINK THERE, AND THAT THAT GROWS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH HAPPENING WITH THAT.
WE DON'T WANNA MISS THAT OPPORTUNITY THERE.
BUT YOU'RE SET SETTING THE STAGE.
UM, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THIS IS A GREAT GA GATEWAY.
I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.
I, I APPRECIATE HOW RESPONSIVE YOU'VE BEEN TO THE COMMENTS WE'VE MADE AND, AND YOU'VE BEEN BEFORE US TWICE BEFORE.
I ACTUALLY LIKE THE AWNINGS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A GOOD URBAN GESTURE.
I THINK IT BREAKS THE SCALE DOWN.
SO I WOULD KEEP THE AWNINGS, MAYBE YOU TUNE THEM WITH STAFF, MAYBE IT'S A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY A NICE GESTURE.
UM, MY ONLY RELUCTANCE IS THE CORNER ENTRY, AND WHILE THE FIRST TIME THIS CAME TO US, THERE WERE
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TWO WALLS AND IT WAS ESSENTIALLY BLANK AND JUST THIS V SO I THINK THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH CONTINUITY.I THINK THE BUILDING BREAKS DOWN INTO TWO PIECES BECAUSE UNLIKE YOUR LAST SUBMISSION WHERE YOU TOOK THE BRICK AROUND, UM, THERE'S NOT THE CONTINUITY THERE IS, OR THERE COULD BE AND THERE WAS BEFORE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY RESERVATIONS, BUT I, BUT I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE.
WHEN YOU SAY QUARTER ENTRY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST THE GROUND FLOOR OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE NO, THE UPPER PART.
I CLARIFICATION QUESTION BASSAM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, I KNOW OBVIOUSLY GARY
THE CONCERN THAT STEPH WAS RAISING WAS NOT KNOWING, NOT BEING FAMILIAR WITH THAT SPECIFIC FABRIC.
SO WAS IT, YEAH, I WAS LOOKING, IT, IT REALLY WAS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT GETTING MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE FABRIC.
NOW THERE AGAIN, IT COULD BE A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS THAT ACCOMPLISH THAT, BUT UH, IT WASN'T REALLY THE IDEA OF AWNINGS THEMSELVES THAT WERE REFERENCED IN THE REPORT.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THE COMMISSION WANTED TO PROPOSE MAYBE A MORE STRICTER REQUIREMENT, NOT TO USE AWNINGS, BUT SOME OTHER KIND OF COVERING OR SOME OTHER COMPONENT, WE COULD ADD THAT IN TO, LOOKS LIKE NUMBER SEVEN IF WE WANTED.
IS THAT FAIR? WE COULD HAVE THE WORK WITH STAFF ON WHAT ALREADY SAYS WORK WITH STAFF, BUT IF WE WANNA SAY THEY'RE NOT TO USE AWNINGS, IT COULD BE SOME OTHER MATERIAL OR SOME OTHER, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE AND I SUPPORT THE ING.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE POLL.
YOU CAN COMMISSION, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
JUST FOR THE, SINCE, SINCE JAMIE AND AND KATHY MENTIONED IT.
I'M REALLY, I LIKE, I LIKE THE PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S ENCAPSULATED, IT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE WORKED WITH US OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS TRYING TO, TO MEET SOME OF THE, THE REQUESTS WE MADE AND THE OBSERVATIONS.
UH, I LIKE THE, THE FRONT DESIGN WITH THE, THE TURN.
I THINK IF WE COULD GET A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, UH, OF THAT FRONT PART WOULD BE GREAT.
BUT THE REASONING FOR MY QUESTIONS AT THE BEGINNING RELATED PRIMARILY TO THAT CONCERN I HAVE WITH THE, THE PARKING PIECE RELATED TO THE OPEN SPACE THERE FEELS LIKE IT'S, IT'S TOO PUBLIC.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF PRIVATE COMPONENT AND THE ONLY WAY TO GRASP THAT, ESPECIALLY AT THIS LOCATION, WOULD TO BE SOME KIND OF UNDERGROUND OR SOME KIND OF DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PARK SYSTEM.
BECAUSE I FEEL THAT THOSE RESIDENTS ARE NOT GONNA BE, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO THERE AND WALK ON THOSE PLAZA THE PUBLIC, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE A BUSINESS, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S PRIVATE RESIDENCES, 75 OF THEM.
SO IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S NO EXTERIOR PRIVATE COMPONENT FOR THOSE, UH, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE THERE.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT MOST OF THEM WANT TO GO AROUND AND TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE CHILDREN OVER THE LIFE OF THE, THE BUILDING, WE'RE NOT JUST THINKING NOW, BUT FOR THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REALLY ACCOUNTING FOR THAT.
SO FOR THAT PURPOSE, I'M, I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF, OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
UM, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ALL THE CHANGES YOU MADE.
UM, MY THREE BIGGEST CONCERNS I THINK HAVE ALL BEEN BROUGHT UP TO SOME DEGREE.
UM, FIRST THE MATERIAL ON THAT CORNER I THINK SHOULD BE THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF THE MATERIAL YOU USE JUST BECAUSE IT IS THE PROMINENT GATEWAY FEATURE.
UM, SO I DO HAVE CONCERNS OVER THE MATERIALS IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT A METAL PANEL OR CERAMIC MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
TO ME, THE BRICKS SEEMS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE.
I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS, GARY, ON THE CONTINUITY, UM, ON THE AWNINGS, I SUPPORT THE AWNINGS.
UH, I ALSO AGREE WITH JAMIE THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT GIMMICKY FOR THEM TO NOT ACTUALLY BE STOREFRONTS.
AND THAT'S ONE OF MY ORIGINAL ISSUES IS THAT I WOULD'VE PREFERRED TO SEE THIS BE TRUE MIXED USE, UM, WITH STORES THERE AND, AND ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THAT WALKABILITY AND GIVE PEOPLE A REASON TO WALK BY, NOT JUST TO, UM, KIND OF HAVE THAT FEEL WHEN THEY DO.
UM, BUT, UM, I GUESS THE BIGGEST KIND OF HANG UP FOR ME STILL IS, IS THE NUMBER OF PARKING UNITS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I CALCULATE ABOUT 19 UNITS SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR DISABILITY, UM, AND UP TO THE 40% FOR ELDERLY, WHICH MAY TO YOUR POINT, REDUCE SOME OF THE VEHICLE NEED.
UM, BUT YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER, IS IT 20, 30, MAYBE 30 UNITS THAT ARE MULTI BEDROOM.
UM, AND IT JUST FEELS LIKE THIS DISTRICT, WHEN IT GETS TO BE WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE, IS GONNA BE DENSE
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AND CROWDED AND THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A LOT OF EXTERIOR PARKING.SO I JUST TRY, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO ENVISION OVER 30 YEARS YOU'VE GOT THREE BEDROOMS, WHICH I WOULD ASSUME WOULD'VE FAMILIES UP TO THREE DRIVERS, GUESTS.
I KNOW SOME OF YOUR 75 SPOTS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, RESERVED FOR, UH, HANDICAPPED PARKING AS WELL.
AND SO I'M HAVING TROUBLE, I GUESS I WANNA HEAR ANY FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS.
IS EVERYONE FAIRLY CONVINCED THAT THIS IS PLENTY OF PARKING? I KNOW THAT WE'VE HEARD THAT, UM, FROM BASSAM, UM, BUT THE MATH FOR ME SEEMS HARD TO WRAP AROUND.
SO, SO WHEN I STARTED ON THE COMMISSION, IT WAS 2020, YOU KNOW, IT WAS HAPPENING THEN, RIGHT? EVERYBODY WAS WORKING FROM HOME.
AND I REMEMBER THEN THAT THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION OF THE COMMISSION WAS HAVING TO REDUCE PARKING.
LIKE, WE HAVE SO MUCH PARKING, WE NEED NEED IT BECAUSE THE WORLD HAD CHANGED, RIGHT? AND SO NOW I'M SENSING THE WORLD'S MOVING BACK IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO PARKING AT THE END OF THE DAY.
EVERY PROJECT IS, IT'S, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS A CHALLENGE.
UM, I JUST THINK THIS IS THE FIRST MAJOR KIND OF PROJECT MOVING TOWARDS WHAT WE WANT THIS DISTRICT TO BE.
WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THE SEA OF PARKING.
MY PREFERENCE WOULD WOULD BE AS JASON'S WOULD'VE SOME KIND OF UNDERGROUND OR SOME, SOME WAY TO HIDE IT AND MAKE IT TRULY FEEL URBAN.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I ALSO THINK THAT THEY NEED MORE SPOTS.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU PUT 'EM AND HOW YOU GRAPPLE WITH THAT.
UM, UM, GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF ALL THE WAIVERS, BUT THE PARKING WAIVER IS THE ONE THAT, THAT IS A HANGUP FOR ME.
I'M NOT SURE I COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF.
AND, AND MAYBE JUST AS A REFERENCE POINT, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED SITE, SO, UH, PART OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WE HAD FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT IS THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING ON THE ADJACENT SITES RIGHT NOW.
AND IF THEY NEEDED TO, IF, IF IT PROVES THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR PARKING, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO SEEK, UH, SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS, WE DID NOT FEEL THAT THEY NEEDED TO DO THAT AT THIS POINT.
UM, AGAIN, THERE'S GONNA BE ON STREET PARKING THAT IS ALLOWED TO COUNT.
THAT GETS THEM VERY CLOSE TO THE TECHNICAL NUMBER.
AND EVEN IF THE AREA AROUND, UH, AROUND THEM DEVELOPS, UM, THE, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL JOINT PARKING OPPORTUNITIES OR, UH, ADDITIONAL ON STREET PARKING IMPROVEMENTS AT THAT TIME AS WELL.
SO THAT WENT THROUGH THE THOUGHT PROCESS AS WE LOOKED AT THE PARKING PLAN.
CAN I MAKE A, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
I THINK IF YOU'RE LOOKING OVERHEAD, IT'S A SEA OF PARKING AROUND THERE RIGHT NOW WITH LOWE'S AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I JUST WONDER AS WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO TAKE A REALLY LONG-TERM VIEW, KNOWING THERE'S A 30 MINUTE, 30 YEAR COMMITMENT.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYONE ELSE BUILDING A BUILDING.
YOU'RE EXPECTING TO LAST LONG TIME.
BUT IT KIND OF MAKES YOU THINK OF WHAT ARE THE CHANGES OVER THAT PERIOD.
DO A LOT OF THOSE PARKING LOTS GO AWAY? AND THEN, I MEAN, AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO BACK AND SAY, NOW YOU NEED TO BUILD A GARAGE.
AND YOU'RE SAYING THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC GARAGES AROUND THAT THEY COULD USE.
AGAIN, THAT'S SOMEONE ELSE KIND OF MAKING UP FOR A LACK OF FORESIGHT NOW, IN MY OPINION.
C CAN I FOLLOW UP ON THAT? SO COULD, COULD WE CONSIDER THIS A, UH, OR ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS PERHAPS IS IT'S ON THE APPLICANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, RESIDENT, YOU HAVE TWO, TWO PARKING SPACES, YOU HAVE ONE PARKING SPACE FOR YOUR RESIDENT.
AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE, I MEAN WE, THE WHOLE SPIRIT OF THIS IS DENSITY IN TRYING TO REDUCE TRAFFIC AND REDUCE NUMBER OF CARS THAT ARE ON 1 61 AND IN THIS AREA IN THE SPIRIT OF BRIDGE PARK.
SO IT'S ON THE APPLICANT TO SAY, WE'RE OUTTA PARKING, THEN YOUR RESIDENTS MOVE IN KNOWING THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO USE THE BUS.
THEY ONLY HAVE ONE SPOT ALLOCATED FOR THEM AND THEY CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
AND IF THEY STILL WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, BASED ON THAT, I MEAN, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF JUST LIKE NO PARKING, THERE IS ENOUGH PARKING THERE TO ACCOMMODATE A GOOD PORTION OF THE RESIDENCE, BUT IN THE SPIRIT OF REDUCTION OF TRAFFIC, A REDUCTION OF CARS IN THE CITY, MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO, ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CONSIDER FOR US.
I THINK, UM, MAYBE THE CHALLENGE THERE IS, IS HOW IT CHANGES WITH RESIDENTS AND THEN THEY'VE GOTTA FIND THE RIGHT PERSON TO GO IN AND THEN DO YOU INCLUDE THE STREET PARKING? BUT YEAH, SO, SO YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF COLUMBUS HAS A ZERO PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR NEW ZONING CODE REINFORCES THAT EVEN FURTHER.
I'M APPROVING PROJECTS THAT HAVE ZERO PARKING THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE RELYING ON PUBLIC TRANSIT AND OTHER THINGS TO SUPPORT THE CITY.
WE HAVE A PEOPLE FIRST KIND OF MISSION IN DUBLIN NOW.
AND SO, AND THIS SITE SITS ON A PROPOSED BRT LINE THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG INVESTMENT BY THE REGION AND MOVING PEOPLE IN OTHER WAYS THAN CARS.
SO I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, WE SAID THIS PROJECT WAS GONNA BE GROUNDBREAKING FOR THE BRIDGE STREET, UH, 1 61 BRT CORRIDOR.
AND I THINK WE, WE SORT OF HAVE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A LEAP OF FAITH THAT THIS CORE IS GONNA DEVELOP AND THERE'S GONNA BE ALL SORTS OF OTHER THINGS HAPPENING, OTHER PARKING RESOURCES.
AND AGAIN, THE BRT IS GONNA BE A HUGE, A HUGE THING AGAIN,
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BUT IT'S NOT THERE YET.SO IT'S A LEAP OF FAITH A LITTLE BIT.
AND AGAIN, I, WHAT I'M READING IN THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA LIVE THERE, THAT, THAT ISN'T TOTALLY CAR DEPENDENT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A SUBURBAN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRANSIT AND A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A CAR.
SO I, I FEEL COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE WITH THE PARKING PLAN THAT THEY HAVE.
AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK IF YOU TRY TO DO SOMETHING HEROIC ON THIS SITE, I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY A TIGHT SITE.
THEY HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF NEW SETBACKS AND INTEGRATING MORE OPEN SPACE.
AND I THINK IT'S AMAZING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE COMPLETED A, THEY'VE COMPLETED A PROJECT THAT, THAT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS WITH
BUT, AND WE NEVER WANNA GIVE UP GREEN PAR.
I WOULD NEVER THINK WE'D WANNA GIVE UP GREEN SPACE FOR MORE PARKING, ESPECIALLY IN THIS SITUATION.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE POTENTIALLY BUT HEROIC MOVES LIKE UNDERGROUND PARKING STUFF, YOU START TO REALLY START TO ERODE AWAY AT THE SITE.
YOU CREATE CONDITIONS THAT AREN'T REALLY VERY ATTRACTIVE.
AND SO I THINK THIS IS THE BEST OF ALL OPTIONS IN MY MIND, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION.
ANY MORE DEBATE ON THAT? I DON'T BECAUSE OF THE FIRST, UM, VOTE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE IS ON THE PARKING PLAN.
WELL, SO, SO WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS I WOULD STILL PROBABLY VOTE AGAINST THAT WAIVER KNOWING THAT IT WILL PASS AS I SEE HERE.
SO IT SEEMS TEDIOUS TO ASK FOR IT TO BE SEPARATED.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE TROUBLE I HAVE IS IF I HAVE TO, I WOULD'VE TO VOTE NO IF IT'S NOT SEPARATED.
BUT AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE A WASTE OF TIME.
SO I, I MEAN THE PARKING PLACE IS, I SUPPOSE I SHOULD JUST COME AROUND THEN ON THAT, ON THAT ISSUE.
BUT IS THAT ACCURATE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AT LEAST FIVE IN SUPPORT OF THE PARKING WAIVER? I MEAN, THE, THE PROJECT DEPENDS ON THIS PARKING PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE START TO GO DOWN THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE? OR CAN, OR IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE TO START? CAN WE JUST CHIP AWAY AT THIS STARTING WITH THE PARKING PLAN? OKAY.
SO I'M GOING TO ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE A PARKING PLAN.
OKAY, OUR NEXT MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF FOUR ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURES.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND A WE NEED A SECOND.
OKAY, NOW I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF 15 WAIVERS.
SORRY, ONE OF THE 15 THOUGH IS THE RTS RIGHT AT THE PER PIT? CORRECT.
CAN WE, CAN WE CLARIFY? I MEAN, IS THERE, UNLESS I'M, YOU GUYS CAN SAY NO AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
BUT DO YOU GUYS MIND IF WE CLARIFY THAT IF THERE'S A, A CHANGE IN THE RTU LOCATIONS OR HEIGHT OR IS THAT NOT A BIG DEAL? THIS MEANS IT STILL NEEDS TO BE SCREENED FROM, EVEN IF IT'S REQUIRED TO BE MOVED FOR SOME REASON, IT WOULD STILL NEED TO BE VISUALLY SCREENED.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.
THAT THE PARAPET HEIGHTS WOULD NEED TO BE INCREASED.
SO, AND, AND WAIVER ONE, WHICH IS PARAPET HEIGHT, YOU WANT TO ADD LANGUAGE TO THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? I I'M SUGGESTING AN YOU COULD ADD A CONDITION TO THAT, THAT WAY IF YOU APPROVE THAT WAIVER YEAH.
AND THEN, THEN YOU, SO WE COULD ADD A CONDITION TO THE FDP PART.
SO THE, THE WAY WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IS THEY ALSO RELATE TO SOME OF THESE WAIVERS.
UH, SO IF YOU WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE IT AND ADD IT AS PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE AS WELL.
BUT WHEN YOU ESTABLISH VISIBILITY, WHERE'S THE VISIBILITY FROM? GOOD QUESTION.
I MEAN, IS IT FROM, FROM THE BUILDING? HOW FAR? I MEAN THAT, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.
AND THERE'S ALSO BUILDING CODE ISSUE WITH PARAPET HEIGHTS.
NOW THEY MAY BE FAR ENOUGH OFF THE PERIMETER, THAT BUILDING CODE ISSUE DOESN'T, BUT IF IT'S MECHANICAL AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED, THE BUILDING CODE SETS CERTAIN HEIGHTS.
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JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE HOW FAR YOU'D HAVE TO BE BEFORE, OBVIOUSLY THE CLOSER YOU GET, THE MORE SCREENED IT IS.HOW FAR WOULD YOU HAVE TO BE BEFORE PRETTY STANDING.
TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS TO SEE
I THINK AS LONG AS YOU CAN BE ACROSS THE STREET AND HAVE IT SCREENED, THAT WOULD BE PLENTY.
BUT I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING SEMANTICS, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANNA HAVE HAPPEN IS FOR THE ENGINEERS TO COME BACK AND SAY, OH, WE HAVE THESE TRAIN UNITS OUTTA THE BEST UNITS EVER AND THEY'RE EIGHT FEET TALL AND YOU CAN SEE 'EM.
'CAUSE WE PROVE THE PARAPET HEIGHTS IS ALL I'M SAYING.
WHICH I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE GONNA DO, BUT THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GET INTO YOUR X AMOUNT OF FEET AWAY AND YOU CAN SCREEN IT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE MECHANICAL UNIT PLANS NOW THAT THE PARAPET HEIGHTS BE CONSIDERED.
YOU CAN JUST, YOU CAN JUST PUT SOMETHING, YOU CAN ADD AWAY.
NO, I MEAN ADD A WAIVER CONDITION AT THE, THE NEXT ONE.
SO CAN WE, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 15 WAIVERS
MR. CHIN, DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT?
OKAY, NOW WE HAVE AT LEAST 13 CONDITIONS.
SO DO WE ALL WANT TO GO? IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS AND WHAT DO WE WANT TO ADD TO IT? UM, MR. BASSAM, MY MY COMMENT ABOUT, UH, PUBLIC ART, THAT'S STILL IN PROCESS AND I THINK YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON, ON THAT, RIGHT? SO MY COMMENTS STAND ON THE RECORD IN TERMS OF THE, THE PART PAR, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T NEED SOMETHING SEPARATE FOR THAT.
AND THE OTHER WAS THE, UM, THE SCREEN WALL, YOU'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT? SO MY COMMENTS STAND ON THE RECORD ALSO.
IS THAT RIGHT? SO WITH THE SCREEN WALL, BECAUSE IT'S CODE, UH, WE CAN'T ADMINISTRATIVELY GRANT A WAIVER.
SO OH, OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONDITION MECHANICAL ENCLOSURE, THE ACTUAL SCREEN WALL, THE ACTUAL SCREEN WALL OF THE PARKING.
IF YOU FEEL THAT NEEDS TO BE TALLER, YOU MIGHT WANNA GRANT A WAIVER BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY SINCE THE CODE SAYS 36 INCHES IS THE LIMIT.
ANYBODY ELSE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT OR LET THE LANDSCAPE SUPPLEMENT THE WALL
IF WE NEED TO OPEN UP THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
I, SO WE WOULD ADD A CONDITION, A WAIVER.
HOW, HOW DO YOU ESTABLISH THE HEIGHT? I KNOW THAT WOULD BE A STAFF.
AND THEN AREN'T YOU INTRODUCING SECURITY ISSUES AND SAFETY ISSUES IF YOU HAVE A TALL WALL? IT'S NOT A TALL WALL THOUGH.
IT'S STILL ONLY IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT THE FOUR FEET, IT'S LIKE THE HOOD HEIGHT.
BUT IF SOMEBODY'S IN A, IN A WHEELCHAIR AND IT'S FOUR FEET, I'M WILLING TO BACK OFF
WELL I JUST TRYING TO FIND IT.
IT'S IT'S TRYING TO SEE HOW YOU, HOW YOU DECIDE WHAT IT EXACTLY HOW DO YOU DECIDE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO RAISE IT AS AN ISSUE AND, AND PUT IT ON THE RECORD.
I WASN'T NECESSARILY TRYING TO MAKE IT A CONDITION, BUT UM, SO LET, LET ME SUGGEST THIS.
THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE UN UNLESS THE APPLICANT HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, THEY'RE LIKELY GONNA BE COMING BACK TO YOU IF YOU APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WITH, WITH THE SIGNAGE PLAN.
AND PERHAPS WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT SCREEN WALL AT THAT TIME AND UM, 'CAUSE ADI WAS JUST REMINDING ME, OR WE ALSO NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SITE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE, WHICH GRANTED THAT MAY OH THE BE ONLY THE CORNER BY HOW THAT AFFECTS THE VIEW SHED AS WELL.
BUT THAT MIGHT GIVE US A LITTLE MORE CHANCE TO, UM, LOOK AT IT AND, AND A LITTLE MORE INTELLIGENTLY.
I, AGAIN, I I PUT IT ON THE RECORD AND SO, ALRIGHT, KIM, THE, THE ONE, THE ONE PIECE I WANNA MAKE SURE HERE, THE, THE PUBLIC ART PIECE.
I THINK THERE'S THE, THERE'S A CONDITION THAT THEY HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL, BUT IF YOU'RE THINKING THAT THEY WANT TO CONSIDER ANOTHER LOCATION, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE WATER FEATURE WAS FOR POTENTIALLY PUBLIC ART, WOULD THAT HAVE TO BE AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SPECIFIC SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED.
I I WAS RAISING IT FOR THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER AND I THINK THEY STILL HAVE THE
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ABILITY TO CONSIDER THAT IF YOU CAN HAVE ONE, YOU CAN SAY, HEY, CONSIDER ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS THAT MEETS WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN UH, COORDINATION WITH THE CITY IF YOU WANTED TO ADD IT BACK TO THAT SIDE.RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONLY THOSE, I THINK A COUPLE LOCATIONS.
I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL THEY HAVE A FOUNTAIN THERE.
I THINK FOUNTAINS ARE PUBLIC ART AND SO I, THAT TO ME SATISFIES THAT NEED.
BUT I'VE RAISED THE ISSUE ABOUT FOUNTAINS HAVE TO BE TURNED OFF AND WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WHEN IT DOESN'T HAVE WATER IN IT? SO THAT BACK IS BACK TO WHAT COULD WE DO TO MAKE IT LOOK YOU? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A CONDITION OR THE APPLICANT'S HEARD AND STAFF HAS HEARD THE COMMENTS ASK THEM IS THAT STAFF STAFF HAS HEARD THE COMMENTS.
ANYBODY FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD BE A CONDITION
NO, I MEAN I'M, I'LL DEFER TO THE GROUP.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CA YOUR, YOUR IT WAS CAPTURED APPROPRIATELY.
SO THE ONLY THING IS THE IS THE PARAPET.
THAT WOULD BE OUR 14TH CONDITION.
AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THAT SAYS AND HOW YOU, WHERE DO YOU MEASURE IT FROM THEN?
I JUST, IF IT WAS A CONCERN OF EVERYBODY.
I, AND I DON'T THINK IT TOO HARD TO DEFINE.
I WASN'T DISPUTING, I WASN'T DISPUTING THE VALUE OF THAT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW YOU ESTABLISH IT.
YOU HAD GOOD LANGUAGE A MINUTE AGO.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU STILL HAVE IT.
I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN BUT I REMEMBER THINKING NOW IT'S BEING RECORDED.
DOES IT, JAMIE, COULD YOU READ BACK THE COMMENTS FROM MR. CHIN? HONESTLY, IF IT CAN, I THINK IT'S AS SIMPLE, SIMPLE TO SAY.
IF THERE'S A A, A CHANGE TO THE MECHANICAL UNIT DESIGNED AS WE SAW TODAY, THEN THE PARAPET HEIGHTS SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS VERY GOOD.
AND DOES THAT APPLY TO THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT? NOT THE GROUND.
BUT IF THEY CHANGE THE EQUIPMENT AND IT'S ABOVE THE, BUT NO.
I LET THAT ONE LIE
SO I, I THINK THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES EITHER ADDED AS A SEPARATE CONDITION OR WHETHER WE CAN PIGGYBACK ON A COUPLE OF THOSE, LIKE EIGHT OR NINE, PROBABLY EIGHT IS MORE.
IS THAT THE, FOR THE PARAPET YOU'RE JUST SAYING IS THAT'S BUILDING RIGHT, BUT IT'S ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, RIGHT? THE THE WORDING PROBABLY WILL, WILL NEED ITS OWN CONDITION.
OKAY, SO BASS, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A STAB AT THAT.
SO CONDITION NUMBER 14, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YEAH, THIS IS THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY TIME
THIS IS THE MESSY PROCESS OF THE PUBLIC PROCESS.
THE SCREENING NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED ALSO.
I'M DOING THE LANCE, THE LANCE, UH, REVIEW.
CAN WE ADD SIZE OR LOCATION BECAUSE IF THEY, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, IF I SAY, CAN YOU JUST SAY OR SIZE OR LOCATION AND I PROMISE I'M GONNA LET THIS GO AFTER THIS.
AND, AND THE OTHER ISSUE WAS THE CANOPIES.
HAVE WE, I THINK WE'VE DECIDED THAT WE HAVE A CORN THAT I PEOPLE SUPPORTING AND STAFF IS STILL LOOKING AT MATERIALS THAT'S STILL IN HERE.
SO, AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT I THINK.
YEAH, I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SUPPORT FOR SOME AWNING, AWNING COMPONENT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS LOOKS GOOD TO ME.
WE ALL GOOD? ANY OTHER CONDITIONS? SO I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING 14 CONDITIONS.
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SO MOVED.ALRIGHT, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
UM, I COULD, I GUESS WE ALREADY VOTED SO I DIDN'T, I COULD HAVE ASKED IF YOU'RE OKAY.
WE ALREADY, GARY ALREADY ASKED IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS, SO I GUESS WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND UH, LOOK FORWARD TO THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AND AS YOU MOVE OUT, COULD YOU MOVE AWAY FROM THE DOORS BECAUSE IT STILL GETS PRETTY NOISY OUT THERE.
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WE'RE GOING OFF TO COMMUNICATIONS.I HAVE TWO QUICK, UM, COMMUNICATIONS.
WE HAVE, UM, OUR NEXT MEETING IS NEXT THURSDAY.
UM, AND ALL YOUR MATERIALS AND EVERYTHING WILL BE IN THERE TOMORROW LIKE NORMAL.
UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, ONCE YOU GET THAT, PLEASE, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
UM, AND THEN WE ARE DOING, I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN EMAIL, BUT WE ARE DOING AN AUDIT OF OUR ZONING CODE IN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
UM, AND THERE IS A SURVEY THAT'S PRETTY LENGTHY, SO, UH, PREPARE YOURSELF IF YOU, UM, WANNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE COMMENTS FOR THAT.
UM, AND I CAN HAVE HER REFRESH THAT TO THE TOP IF YOU WANT TO.
UM, AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER EVERY QUESTION, IT REALLY IS INTENDED FOR ALL AUDIENCES, WHICH, UM, BOARDS COMMISSION STAFF.
SO IT DOES GET PRETTY TECHNICAL.
SO, UM, THE REALLY THE INTENT IS TO CAPTURE YOUR INITIAL FEEDBACK AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO MEET, UM, WITH THE CONSULTANT TEAM AND SHARE YOUR COMMENTS THAT WAY AS WELL.
SO WE'LL BE REACHING OUT WITH SOME ADDITIONAL TIMES FOR THAT.
UM, I KNOW THAT WAS A QUICK TURNAROUND TO GET ON PEOPLE'S CALENDAR, SO WE'LL PROVIDE SOME OPTIONS AND THOSE WILL MOST LIKELY BE VIRTUAL SINCE THEY'RE NOT IN OHIO.
SO, SO THIS IS A REDO, RIGHT? THESE, THE SURVEY ALREADY CAME OUT, HAD A DEADLINE, WE JUST RE-POST THE SAME ONE.
SO SOME, SOME OF US DIDN'T DO IT.
AND THEN, AND THEN THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A ROUND OF MEETING, SOME HAPPENED THIS WEEK, CORRECT? RIGHT.
BUT NOT EVERYBODY WAS ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HEAR FROM EVERYONE.
UM, TIMING TO THE EXTENT, EXTENT OF YOUR INTEREST.
WHAT'S THAT? THE TIMING OF? YEAH, THERE HEARS ARE DAY.
I WAS LIKE, I DUNNO IF I CAN MAKE THESE SO WE CAN LOOK, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT OTHER TIMEFRAMES AND, AND OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE.
SO, SO I WAS ALSO, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD KEN.
WHAT'S THE NEW DEADLINE FOR THE SURVEY? HOW WILL THAT JUST STAY OPEN UNTIL IT'S OI CANNOT REMEMBER.
I, IT THINK IT'S, WE KEPT IT ANOTHER WEEK AND A HALF, SO I WILL HAVE SARAH RESEND THAT WITH A NEW DEADLINE AND WITH TIMES TO MEET.
I SAW THAT ONE OF THE MEETINGS WAS FOR STAKEHOLDERS AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHO WERE THE EXAMPLES? YEAH, SO THAT WAS, UM, THE UM, LIKE SORT OF DEVELOPERS, DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, SO OTHERS OUTSIDE OF STAFF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WOULD USE THE CODE.
SO SAME THING, WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE AS WELL.
HARDER DID SHE DID ATTEND THAT MEETING? YES.
SO SHE'S NOW OUR NEW STAKEHOLDER.
IT'S, IT'S A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY THOUGH.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD SOME APPLICATIONS RECENTLY THAT WE, WHERE WE FELT THE CODE WAS DEFICIENT AND THIS, AND THE SUBDIVISION REGULATION.
SO THIS IS PERFECT TIMING, UM, FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE.
I'M SURE DUPLICATE COMMENTS TO WHAT STAFF HAS SHARED AS WELL, BUT WE REALLY WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ON, ON THAT.
SO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME ON THAT.
IS IS THERE A WAY TO GET A COPY OF OUR SURVEYS? PERSONAL ONE? UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN GET YOUS.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SOME TIME NOW OR IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE WEEKS OR SOMETHING.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY OR NOT.
I'M GUESSING IT WAS ANONYMOUS IN TERMS OF LIKE WHO DID IT, IT WAS, YOU HAD TO PICK SORT OF WHAT CATEGORY FELL IN, SO.
I'LL LOOK AT THE QUESTIONS AGAIN.
AGAIN, THERE'LL BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR SURE.
IF THERE'S THINGS YOU THINK OF AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO ADJOURNMENT?