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          GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
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          OKAY. 
          OUR FIRST CASE 
          [Case #25-099CP]
TONIGHT IS CASE NUMBER 25 DASH 0 9 9 CCP EMERALD PARKWAY MIXED USE CONCEPT PLAN REQ. 
          IT'S A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND NON BITING FEEDBACK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE 16 ACRE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT PCD THOMAS KOHLER, AND IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND WARNER TEMPLE ROAD. 
          WE'RE GONNA START, AS I STATED BEFORE WITH THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, PHIL RAEY, UH, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF ANTITRUST REAL ESTATE ADDRESS IS 9 5 5 YARD STREET AND ANNA BROWN, UH, WHO'S THE LEAD DEVELOPER ON THIS PROJECT FOR US. 
          ZACH, YOU GET IT PULLED UP. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, WELCOME COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. 
          WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK, UM, ON THIS PROJECT. 
          WE'VE, UH, WE'VE OWNED THIS SITE FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, AND, AND WE THINK WE'VE PROBABLY SETTLED ON ONE THAT, UM, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO SHARE TONIGHT. 
          UM, I MOVE THIS HERE. 
          SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT VAN TRUSTS. 
          UH, I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH MAYBE SOME OF OUR PROJECTS IN THE CITY. 
          UH, WE'RE A FAMILY OWNED NATIONAL DEVELOPER HEADQUARTERED IN KANSAS CITY, AND WE HAVE AN OFFICE IN COLUMBUS, JACKSONVILLE, DALLAS, PHOENIX, AND SALT LAKE CITY. 
          UH, PRIMARILY WE GOT OUR START IN OFFICE IN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND WE HAVE DONE SOME MIXED USE PROJECTS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. 
          ONE OF THE BIGGER ONES WE'VE DONE IS, UH, THE POINT AT POLARIS, WHICH IS UP AT 71 AND GEMINI PARKWAY, MIX OF OFFICE, MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL AND, AND PARKING GARAGE. 
          SO, UM, 
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AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, WE BOUGHT THE EMERALD PARKWAY SITE AND THE PARKWOOD LAND, UH, TOGETHER FROM DUKE REALTY IN 2016. 
          WE'VE, UM, ACTUALLY DID A LAND SWAP OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN IN 2022 FOR THE PARKWOOD UH, PIECE. 
          AND THEN WE ENDED UP DEVELOPING AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING ON CROSBY COURT. 
          THAT WAS A SPECULATIVE BUILDING. 
          UH, IT'S THE BUILDING THAT INEOS HAS THEIR OFFICE AND LAB IN IT. 
          SO AGAIN, WE DO A VARIETY OF PROPERTY, UH, USES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          SO OVER THE NINE YEARS SINCE WE'VE OWNED THIS PROP PROPERTY, WE'VE DONE, UM, A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONCEPT PLANS. 
          AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, I THINK WE'RE INTO THE TWENTIES AND THIRTIES, UH, ON OUR SHARE FILE IN THE OFFICE, BUT WE CREATED ONE IN 2024. 
          WE WERE GONNA BRING IT IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION, BUT WE DECIDED WITH THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN, LET'S, LET'S HOLD OFF AND WAIT AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CREATE SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY IS RESPONSIVE TO THAT PLAN AND THAT YOU'VE CREATED. 
          AND, AND HONESTLY, I THINK FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE THINK WE'VE CREATED A MORE THOUGHTFUL, UM, PLAN IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT USES BASED ON THAT ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR, UH, YOUR FEEDBACK TONIGHT. 
          ANNA BROWN'S GONNA KIND OF DIVE INTO THE DETAILS OF OUR VISION AND HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, UH, WHEN WE'RE DONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO LIKE PHIL MENTIONED, WE INITIALLY SUBMITTED IN EARLY 2024 TO BRING A PLAN BEFORE YOU, WE DECIDED TO PULL THAT PLAN BACK, LET THE ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN BE ADOPTED, AND THEN TAKE A FRESH LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN AND TRY TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY MIRRORS WHAT, UM, THE EMERALD CORRIDOR SPECIAL AREA PLAN REFLECTS. 
          UM, AND SO IN DOING THAT, WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON A THOUGHTFUL MIX OF, USES, A VARIETY OF OPEN SPACES, WALKABILITY, AND CONNECTIVITY, AND TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT ONLY CREATING A SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT, BUT REALLY ADDING AMENITIES THAT CAN SUPPORT THE OFFICE, THE CURRENT OFFICE USES AND FUTURE OFFICE USES IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE CLOSELY RESEMBLE THE BUILDING LAYOUT OF THE PLAN. 
          ON THE LEFT HERE, YOU HAVE THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN. 
          ON THE RIGHT, YOU HAVE OUR, UM, SITE PLAN. 
          UM, WE CLOSELY RESEMBLED THE BUILDING LAYOUT AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF USES. 
          WE'VE ALSO TRIED TO MATCH, UM, THE LANDSCAPING SCREENING AND THE DESIRE FOR STREET SCAPED PRIVATE DRIVES, CONNECTING EAST TO WEST THROUGHOUT THE SITE PLAN. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE REALLY WANTED TO TAKE A FRESH SET OF EYES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE PLAN THAT WAS MOST RECENTLY ADOPTED WITHIN THE CITY. 
          UM, SO NOW TO WALK THROUGH OUR PLAN. 
          SO I'M GONNA START ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS PAGE LEFT. 
          SO THROUGHOUT THE SITE PLAN, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF OPEN SPACES, UM, INCLUDED THE LARGEST BEING ON THIS NORTHERN PORTION. 
          SO THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO PRESERVE THE GEORGE GEARY RUN TREE LINE AS IT RUNS KIND OF EAST TO WEST. 
          ALSO, TO PROVIDE A LARGE OPEN SPACE THAT ADDS NOT ONLY TO THIS PROJECT, BUT TO THE AREA. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE INCLUDED A LARGE WALKING PATH, A LARGE POND. 
          UM, WE'LL SHOW SOME PHOTOS LATER IN THE PRESENTATION THAT KIND OF REPRESENTS THE FEEL WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE. 
          UM, AS DISCUSSED WITH STAFF, WE'D BE OPEN TO DEDICATING THIS AS AND DONATING IT AS A PUBLIC PARK. 
          UM, BUT IT'S REALLY MEANT TO KIND OF ESTABLISH THE FEEL OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE. 
          UM, ADJACENT TO THAT, YOU'LL FIND THE AMENITIES FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          THE CLUBHOUSE IS DESIGNED TO OFFER FITNESS, UM, LOUNGE AND COWORKING SPACE TO THE RESIDENCES. 
          WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED A POOL AND, UM, PICKLEBALL COURTS HERE. 
          SO MOVING DOWN FURTHER SOUTH TO THE RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          SO I'LL START ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY. 
          ON EMERALD PARKWAY, WE ARE SHOWING THREE STORY TOWN HOMES RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN CALLED FOR ONE TO TWO STORY COMMERCIAL USES OFFICE USES HERE, UM, AT A THREE STORY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY ONLY FIVE TO SIX FEET HIGHER THAN SHOWING TWO STORY COMMERCIAL OFFICE HERE. 
          UM, THE REASON FOR DEVIATING FROM THE PLAN IN THIS AREA IS WE ALL KNOW THE CHALLENGES WITH THE OFFICE MARKET TODAY. 
          AND ALTHOUGH THE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STREET, I BELIEVE ARE FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL, IT IS CHALLENGING TO BUILD NEW PRODUCT TO COMPETE WITH THAT, WHERE YOUR RENTS ARE GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER AND TO FILL THOSE WHEN A TENANT COULD HAPPILY GO ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE DEVIATED THERE, BUT WE WANTED TO BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL. 
          IN DOING SO, YOU'LL SEE IN THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE'VE ADDED REALLY UNIQUE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS HERE TO ADD TO THE CHARACTER ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          ZACH, YOU CAN SAY THAT LAST ONE FOR ME. 
          UM, ALSO INCLUDING A SIDEWALK AND WALKUPS TO THE GROUND LEVEL ENTRANCES TO REALLY AGAIN, ESTABLISH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL. 
          UM, AND THEN WORKING BACK TOWARDS THE EAST, WE'RE SHOWING ANOTHER VARIETY OF TOWN HOME PRODUCT HERE. 
          THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE 
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TUCK UNDER GARAGES. 
          UM, IN TOTAL WE'RE AT 35 TOWN HOMES. 
          THOSE ARE ALL RANGING FROM TWO TO THREE BEDROOMS. THE MIDDLE TOWN HOME PRODUCT IS MEANT TO OFFER A VARIETY OF CHARACTER AND THEN ALSO MAYBE ACHIEVE A DIFFERENT, UM, PRICE POINT FOR A SIMILAR USE. 
          AND THEN CONTINUING EAST, ANOTHER PLACE THAT WE DIFFER FROM THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN IS THE PLAN SHOWS THE EXISTING TREE LINE REMAINING THAT RUNS, UM, IN THE NORTHERN MIDDLE PORTION OF THE SITE. 
          WE'RE SHOWING A, A LANDSCAPE SIDEWALK CONNECTING THE SOUTHERN RETAIL USES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE NORTHERN USES HERE, AS OPPOSED TO KEEPING THE TREE LINE. 
          UM, OUR INITIAL REVIEW OF THE TREE LINE IS THAT DUE TO THE VARYING GRADES, IT WILL BE CHALLENGING TO PRESERVE THOSE TREES AS YOU GRADE THE SITE TO BRING IT UP TO STREET LEVEL, UM, AND BE CONSISTENT. 
          WE ARE CONDUCTING A TREE STUDY, UM, TO HELP US ANALYZE THIS. 
          AND WE'RE COMMITTING TO COMMITTED TO A TREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THAT ALTHOUGH WE'RE TAKING AWAY, WE'RE, WE'RE EQUALLY ADDING TO THE SITE, UM, FURTHER EAST. 
          SO WE SHOW FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT HERE, UM, THREE BUILDINGS. 
          AND THE LAYOUT OF THIS WAS REALLY REPLICATING THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN. 
          UM, SO WE'RE SHOWING ABOUT 210 UNITS IN THIS FOUR STORY PRODUCT. 
          THE NORTHERN TWO BUILDINGS ARE ROUGHLY 80,000 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL. 
          AND THEN THE SOUTHERN BUILDING BEING ABOUT 50, 55,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE CHARACTER OF EACH BUILDING IS SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFERENT. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THESE BIG BLOCKS OF A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT. 
          UM, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BROKEN UP BY LANDSCAPING FOR THIS COMMUNITY FEEL. 
          UM, LIKE I MENTIONED, THE MAIN AMENITIES ARE ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE, BUT YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE OTHER AMENITIES SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT. 
          UM, THIS IS FOR NOT ONLY THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO TO BREAK UP THE BUILDINGS AND, UH, BREAK UP THE PARKING ON SITE SO YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THESE BIG CHUNKS OF PARKING BECAUSE THIS IS A SURFACE PARKED PROJECT, UM, FOR PARKING FOR RATIOS. 
          SO AT A STUDIO TO ONE BED, WE'RE SHOWING ONE SPOT PER UNIT AT A TWO BED. 
          WE'RE AT ONE AND A HALF PER UNIT. 
          AND THEN A TOWN HOME, WE'RE AT TWO PER UNIT, WHICH BRINGS YOU TO JUST UNDER 350 SPACES FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          UM, MOVING DOWN FURTHER SOUTH. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE, I GUESS I'LL, I'LL GO BACK FOR ONE SECOND. 
          SO YOU SEE WE'VE ADDED TWO PRIVATE DRIVES HERE, ONE THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE SITE, ONE KIND OF SEPARATING THE MAIN RETAIL FROM THE MAIN RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          UM, THE ADDITION OF THESE WERE REALLY THROUGH FEEDBACK FROM THE STAFF THAT WE WANTED TO CREATE A VERY STREET SCAPED ENTRANCE ON EITHER SIDE, UM, OF THE PROJECT. 
          THINK OF IT AS THOUGH YOU HAVE A FRONT DOOR ON BOTH THE EAST AND THE WEST SIDE. 
          UM, WE'VE ADDED SIDE SIDEWALKS ALONG THOSE PRIVATE DRIVES. 
          ON THE CENTER ONE, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE ADDED PARALLEL PARKING, UM, AND WALK-UPS TO THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS. 
          UM, AND THEN ALONG PARKWOOD, I KNOW THERE WAS A DESIRE, WHICH WE AGREE WITH TO ACTIVATE PARKWOOD DRIVE. 
          AND SO WE'VE DESIGNED THESE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS TO REALLY HAVE A FRONT DOOR ON PARKWOOD, ALTHOUGH THEY'LL ALSO BE ACCESSED FROM THE EAST. 
          AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE PARALLEL PARKING, LANDSCAPING SIDEWALKS AND WALK-UPS TO THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS. 
          UM, MOVING DOWN TO THE RETAIL, SO THE RETAIL PLAN, ALTHOUGH SIMILAR TO THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN DEVIATES SLIGHTLY, AND THIS IS REALLY DUE TO MARKET FEEDBACK. 
          WE'VE BROUGHT THIS IN FRONT OF A HANDFUL OF RETAIL BROKERS IN THE AREA WITH THE GOAL OF HOW DO WE BRING REALLY QUALITY TENANTS TO THIS PROJECT THAT NOT ONLY WILL SERVE THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GONNA LIVE HERE, BUT ALSO THE SURROUNDING OFFICE AREAS. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO MET WITH A HANDFUL OF OFFICE NEIGHBORS AND THEY SHARED SIMILAR SENTIMENT THAT WE NEED TO ADD AMENITIES TO THIS AREA. 
          THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE TO GO AFTER WORK FOR LUNCH, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT FEEDBACK DROVE NOT ONLY THE LAYOUT BUT ALSO THE SIZE. 
          THE OUTLAW ON THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION IS ABOUT 3,500 SQUARE FEET. 
          THAT LIKELY FEELS LIKE IT WOULD BE AN ELEVATED FAST CASUAL OR COFFEE CONCEPT HERE. 
          UM, IN THE MIDDLE YOU'LL SEE AN INLINE RETAIL BUILDING THAT CAN SERVE RETAIL OFFICE, DAYCARE, MEDICAL USES, UM, AS IT SEES FIT. 
          AND THEN ON THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION, IT'S SHOWN AS ABOUT 3,500 SQUARE FEET. 
          IT COULD BE EXPANDED, AND THAT'S REALLY MEANT TO ACCOMMODATE A RESTAURANT USE. 
          YOU CAN SEE WE'VE SHOWN ANOTHER POND HERE WITH OUTSIDE SEATING TO CREATE A REALLY COOL DESTINATION FOR RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED TWO DRIVE-THROUGHS. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT WAS BASED ON FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE MARKET THAT IF YOU REALLY WANNA BRING QUALITY NATIONAL CREDIT TENANTS, TENANTS THAT ARE GONNA ENHANCE THE AREA A DRIVE-THROUGH IS A NECESSITY FOR THOSE TENANTS. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE WANNA BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL IN HOW WE CURATE A TENANT MIX HERE, THAT THEY CAN BE IMPACTFUL TO NOT ONLY THIS 
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PROJECT, BUT ALSO TO THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA CALL OUT, WE'VE TOUCHED ON IT SLIGHTLY, THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED HERE. 
          AND SO THERE'S AN EXISTING, UM, SIDEWALK LOOP AROUND THE PROJECT. 
          WE OBVIOUSLY INTEND TO MAINTAIN THAT AS WELL AS ADD A HANDFUL OF CONNECTIONS CUTTING THROUGH THE PROJECT. 
          THIS IS DESIGNED, UM, TO REALLY INTEGRATE THE MIX OF USES FROM THE SOUTH ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH SO THAT THIS AREA IS NOT ONLY ACCESSED BY CAR, BUT IT CAN REALLY BE ACCESSED BY PEDESTRIANS AS WELL. 
          UM, IT ALSO CALLS OUT, UH, THE HANDFUL OF GREEN SPACES THAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'VE INCLUDED A HANDFUL, UM, OF IMAGERY REFERENCES JUST TO CREATE, HELP CREATE THE FIELD THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE. 
          AGAIN, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE VERY NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY, WALKABLE, UM, AND INVITING TO THE COMMUNITY, NOT, YOU KNOW, A A COLD, HARSH COMMERCIAL USE THAT KIND OF STICKS OUT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE AREA. 
          AND THEN WE'VE INCLUDED ELEVATIONS, UM, OF EACH OF THE RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          SO THESE ARE THE TUCK UNDER TOWN HOMES THAT WE'VE INCLUDED ON EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          WE'RE USING NATURAL, NATURAL COLORED MATERIALS HERE. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE PEAK ROOFS WE THOUGHT WOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE PEAK ROOFS ACROSS THE STREET AT THE CAMDEN OFFICE PRODUCT. 
          UM, WE'VE ADDED KIND OF THOSE MOON ARCHES OVER THE DOORS AND A COUPLE OTHER INTERESTING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, AGAIN, TO ELEVATE THE CURB APPEAL ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          AND THEN NEXT YOU'LL SEE THE ADDITIONAL, UM, TOWN HOME USE. 
          YEP, RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, AGAIN, VARIETY IN TERMS OF THE, THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, AGAIN, VERY THOUGHTFUL IN THE DETAILS THAT WE'RE INCLUDING. 
          IT'S SUPPOSED TO KIND OF BREAK UP THE SITE PLAN. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD ONE WE'VE INCLUDED IS THE FOUR STORY, UM, RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, AGAIN, BALCONIES. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO BOTH MEET WHAT THE MARKET IS TELLING US THAT TENANTS WANT AND CREATE A PRODUCT THAT'S DESIRABLE AND FITS IN WITH THE AREA. 
          AND THEN WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED, UM, A RETAIL IMAGE AS WELL. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE SHOWING FLAT ROOFS HERE, NATURAL, UM, MATERIALS, A VARIETY OF MATERIALS USED ACROSS THE SITE THAT WHILE THEY'RE DIFFERENT THEY STILL COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER. 
          UM, AND THEN I'LL JUST CLOSE HERE WITH A HANDFUL OF IMAGES. 
          AGAIN, TRYING TO ESTABLISH THE TYPE OF FEEL THAT WE'D LIKE THIS PRODUCT TO BE. 
          UM, WE WANT IT TO BE VERY HIGH QUALITY, VERY INVITING. 
          IT'S WORTH MENTIONING. 
          UM, WE DID CONDUCT A MARKET STUDY WHEN TRYING TO DESIGN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE RENTS WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE AVERAGE ABOUT $2,000 PER MONTH. 
          SO RANGING FROM STUDIO TO TOWN HOME, IT'S ABOUT, OUR TARGET IS ABOUT 1300 TO $3,000 A MONTH. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A HIGH QUALITY PRODUCT HERE. 
          UM, WE HOPE THAT THE COMMUNITY LIKES IT. 
          WE HOPE IT'S WELL EXPECTED OR WELL RECEIVED AND HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. HOUNSELL. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, I WILL DO MY BEST TO KEEP THIS BRIEF, UH, AS THERE WAS A GREAT EXPLANATION OF THE PROJECT, UH, FOR THE PROCESS. 
          THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT FORWARD. 
          THIS IS A FIRST STEP IN WHAT WOULD BE A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          UM, SO THE PURPOSE OF THE CONCEPT PLAN IS FOR THE COMMISSION TO PROVIDE NON-BINDING FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          REALLY WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT IS ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND ITS RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, PROVIDING FEEDBACK ON THE GENERAL LAYOUT AND THE LAND USES DENSITIES, UM, STREET SCAPES IN THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK AND JUST UNDERSTANDING HOW IT INTEGRATES WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          SO, UH, THERE'S NO DETERMINATION TONIGHT, BUT THERE IS JUST A REQUEST FOR NON-BINDING FEEDBACK. 
          SO THIS SITE IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 16 ACRES IN SIZE. 
          IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. 
          UH, IT IS ZONED THOMAS KOHLER, WHICH IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. 
          UH, SOME OF THESE SURROUNDING CONTEXTS HERE, YOU HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE TO THE WEST. 
          YOU HAVE, UH, WHAT WILL BE, UH, AN ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AT THAT INTERSECTION, WHICH IS THAT SHIHA LAW OFFICE THAT WAS APPROVED. 
          UM, IN PREVIOUS YEARS. 
          YOU HAVE THE CORPORATE OFFICE BUILDINGS TO THE, THE EAST AND NORTHEAST. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE A, UH, RETAIL COMMERCIAL CENTER TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE. 
          UH, THERE ARE SOME NATURAL FEATURES EXISTING ON THE SITE, WHICH WOULD BE THE GLEN GARY DITCHED AT THE NORTHERN POINT OF THE SITE. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, ROW OF MATURE TREES, WHICH YOU CAN SEE MAYBE THERE WE GO. 
          UM, ON THE IMAGES ON THE SCREEN, UH, THAT ARE CALLED OUT IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO THE COMMUNITY PLAN DOES OFFER RECOMMENDATIONS AT A VERY BROAD LEVEL WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. 
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AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS ADOPTED LAST YEAR, UH, AND DOES PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          FOR THIS SITE, IT IS RECOMMENDED TO BE A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION. 
          THE INTENT OF THIS IS FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES LOCATED NEAR EXISTING AND FUTURE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE WALKABLE, AUTO ACCESSIBLE AND SCALED TO NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UH, GENERALLY THE PRINCIPAL USES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED WITHIN THESE DISTRICTS ARE OFFICE COMMERCIAL, UH, RETAIL, EATING AND DRINKING WITH SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS SUPPORTING USES. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT CHARACTERISTICS THAT YOU CAN SEE. 
          UH, NOW THIS IS VERY BROAD IN WHAT IT RECOMMENDS IS THIS IS APPLICABLE TO ANY PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY DUBLIN THAT IS ZONE IS DESIGNATED FOR MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN ALSO DOES HAVE MORE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN SIX SPECIAL AREA PLANS. 
          UH, THIS SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE EMERALD CORRIDOR, WHICH, UH, HAS MORE SITE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE, UH, TO THIS SITE. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE ON THE SCREEN WITH THE IMAGE THAT'S PROVIDED. 
          UH, THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN CALLS OUT THE PARKWOOD MIXED USE AREA, UH, AND PROVIDES THE CONCEPT THAT IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. 
          SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE A MIX OF USES SUCH AS UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE, OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL USES AND SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL. 
          TYPICALLY, UH, WHAT'S EXPECTED HERE WOULD BE THE BUILDINGS ARE FRONTING OUT ON THE STREET WITH SHARED PARKING TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          UH, THE MASSING HERE IS PROPOSED OR EXPECTED, RECOMMENDED TO BE ONE TO TWO STORIES ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY WITH A MAX OF FOUR STORIES ALONG PARKWOOD PLACE. 
          AND THE INTENT OF THAT IS TO PROVIDE A TRANSITION FROM THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE THAT IS LOCATED TO THE WEST OF THE SITE AND THEN TO THE MORE CORPORATE OFFICE AND INTERSTATE SITES THAT WE HAVE TO THE EAST. 
          ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS ARE PRESERVING THE EXISTING TREE STAND THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE SITE, MAINTAINING THE GREEN CHARACTER, UH, ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, PROVIDING A GATEWAY LOCATION AT THE ROUTE AT THE INTERSECTION OF WARNER TEMPLE AND EMERALD PARKWAY AND THEN ACTIVATING PARKWOOD PLACE. 
          SO ON THE SCREEN YOU'LL SEE A COMPARISON, UH, OF THE CONCEPT PLAN ON THE LEFT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          AND THEN THE EMERALD CORRIDOR SPECIAL AREA PLAN CONCEPT THAT'S SHOWN ON THE RIGHT NOW THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN RECOMMENDATION. 
          THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO SHOW EXACTLY HOW THIS SHOULD DEVELOP. 
          IT IS INTENDED TO SHOW HOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS CAN BE MET FOR THE SITE. 
          SO IT CAN DIFFER FROM THIS, BUT THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, UH, TO GIVE MORE OF A VISUAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS MEAN. 
          UH, I WON'T DIVE TOO MUCH INTO THE PROJECT AS THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SUMMARIZED, BUT FOCUSED MORE ON WHAT THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS ARE TONIGHT. 
          UH, THE FOCUS FOR THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS WOULD BE AROUND THE MASSING SHOWN ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          AS STATED, THESE ARE THREE STORY TOWNHOMES, UH, THAT ARE SHOWN ALONG THIS FRONTAGE. 
          AGAIN, THAT DOES EXCEED WHAT IS RECOMMENDED. 
          UM, HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER WHETHER THIS TYPE OF MASSING IS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE SCALE THAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          ADDITIONALLY, HAVING RESIDENTIAL ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY IS SOMETHING THE COMMISSION SHOULD PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK ON. 
          UM, AS WITHIN THE CONCEPT, IT DOES SHOW NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, UM, BUT WITHIN THE TEXT IT DOES NOT STATE DIRECTLY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE ALONG ALONG THAT FRONTAGE. 
          SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON. 
          UH, THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK, THIS IS SHOWING A NEW PUBLIC PARK AND THE NORTHERN POINT AND THEN THERE ARE SMALLER PASSIVE SPACES SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE SITE. 
          SO THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON HOW THEY'RE SHOWING OPEN SPACE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE FINAL DISCUSSION QUESTION IS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL SPACE AT THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE. 
          ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS AT THE INTERSECTION THAT IT'D BE A GATEWAY LOCATION CURRENTLY THAT'S SHOWN AS A DRIVE-THROUGH. 
          UM, SO UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE COMMISSION STANDS WITH HOW THIS IS BEING LAID OUT WITH THE COMMERCIAL. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO WHETHER DRIVE-THROUGHS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE AND IF THEY ARE, WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THEM TOO. 
          SO WITH THAT, UH, THOSE ARE OUR DISCUSSION QUESTIONS TONIGHT. 
          MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO POINT OF ORDER, THIS IS AT THE POINT WHERE WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT AND STAFF QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO INTO COMM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST CLARIFYING. 
          SO AT THIS POINT I'M GONNA LOOK TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF. 
          MR. CHINOOK? YES. 
          YOU KNEW I WAS GONNA CALL ON YOU. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          UH, THANK YOU, UH, FOR COMING. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          UH, COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          THE, UM, I MEAN THIS IS FOR, I SHOULD START WITH STAFF. 
          SO, SO THERE'S ALONG, I'M PARKWAY THERE'S THREE STORY TOWN HOMES. 
          OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT STORIES AND HEIGHT OR VERY DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WE'RE CALLING THESE THREE STORIES. 
          AND THEN THE ARCHITECTURE SHOWING A LARGE PEAK, ALMOST MAKING 'EM CLOSER TO FOUR STORIES. 
          , IF YOU INCLUDE ATTIC SPACE, IS THAT, I MEAN, WHERE IS IT? WHERE DO WE STAND ON THAT HEIGHT? 
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WE WOULD CONSIDER THEM THREE STORY SIMILAR TO HOW A SINGLE STORY BUILDING THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE ACROSS THE STREET. 
          THOSE ARE ONE STORY BUILDINGS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ROOF TYPE THEY DO APPEAR TALLER, SO. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, THEN I GUESS A QUESTION FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT. 
          ONE OF THE, UM, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY ALONG ERD PARKWAY, THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, EXISTING MOUNTING THERE NOW AND IT LOOKS LIKE I CAN KIND OF SEE THE TOPO LINES ON THIS PLAN. 
          IS THAT STILL THE INTENT IS TO MAINTAIN THE MOUNTING ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY THAT'S THERE TODAY? THE, FROM THE GRASS, THE GRASS MOUNTING? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THE INTENT IS TO MAINTAIN THE, THE MOUNTING. 
          IT'S, IT'S TO EVEN THE GRADE ACROSS, BUT WE'LL PROVIDE APPROPRIATE SETBACKS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT UM, CONNECTIVITY, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY IN YOUR REALM HERE, BUT AS YOU LOOK AT THIS PLAN WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE, THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST, SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT CONNECTIVITY TO THAT. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, I GUESS THE EAST AND WEST TOO? WE'VE GOT ALL THIS CO CORPORATE OFFICE SPACE ACROSS THE STREET WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RESTAURANT SPACES TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT SHOWING A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THOSE TWO UH, PROPERTIES. 
          SURE. 
          I'LL START WITH THE EAST. 
          SO AS SEEN IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, OBVIOUSLY THE EASTERN SIDE IS INTENDED TO BE AN AREA OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE MADE PARKWOOD APPEAR AS THOUGH IT'S THE FRONT DOOR. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT COMING INTO THE BACKSIDE OF A DEVELOPMENT TO ACCESS IT. 
          PARKWOOD ITSELF SHOULD BE FULLY STREET SCAPED LANDSCAPED WITH ENTRANCES INTO THE PARK. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE, THE FOUR CURB CUTS WERE SHOWING ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THIS WITH OBVIOUSLY SIDEWALKS LINING EACH OF THOSE. 
          UM, YOU COULD ENTER IN BETWEEN EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING. 
          AND THEN THAT'S ALSO WHY WE'VE SHOWN THE INTERIOR PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS TO BE ABLE TO WALK ABOUT THE SITE AS WELL. 
          AND NOT JUST AROUND IT TO WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE FIGHTING WITH CARS IN THE MIDDLE. 
          UM, ON THE WESTERN SIDE, AGAIN, WE TRIED TO LINE UP OR WE DID LINE UP WITH THE CURB CUTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          YOU CAN SEE ON THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST, WE'RE ALIGNING THE SIDEWALK CONNECTION POINT AS WELL. 
          SO AT SOME POINT, I GUESS THE FUTURE PLAN WOULD BE, UM, SOME SORT OF WALKWAY ACROSS EMERALD PARKWAY AT THAT CONNECTION POINT? THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE DESIRED, YES. 
          OR SOME SORT OF. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, AS YOU, AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, KINDA USING THE ENVISION DUBLIN AS A GUIDE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY APPRECIATE, UM, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BREAKOUT OF THE SPACE? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE, TO THE PLAN SOUTH, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDING THAT'S KIND OF OUT THERE ON AN ISLAND SURROUNDED BY THIS RE RE RETAIL RESTAURANT SPACE. 
          UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THAT THAT SITE INTERACTS AND DID YOU CONSIDER MORE OF A PURE MIX OF RESTAURANT RETAIL WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS A OPPORTUNITY? SURE. 
          SO THE WAY WE'VE DESIGNED IT IS A MIX OF USES VERSUS WITHIN ONE BUILDING. 
          HAVING FIRST FLOOR RETAIL AND THEN MULTIFAMILY ABOVE. 
          THAT'S, IT'S MORE CHALLENGING TO CREATE. 
          UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE PUT A SMALLER MULTIFAMILY BUILDING DOWN THERE TO CONNECT THE TWO PIECES. 
          SO YOU DIDN'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAD A CLEAN BREAK AT THAT PRIVATE DRIVE ENTRANCE? I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA TOUCH ON THE, YEAH, AND AGAIN, I THINK THE OTHER IDEA IS JUST REALLY TO CREATE A NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM . 
          SO AGAIN, WE WANT PEOPLE OUT OF THE UNITS WALKING AROUND INTERACTING WITH, YOU KNOW, THE GREAT PARK PARK SYSTEM THAT THE CITY HAS AND THE WALKWAYS AND THE JOGGING PASS. 
          AGAIN, AS ANNA MENTIONED ON THE PROPERTY OF THE EAST, IF AND WHEN THAT DEVELOPS, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO EASILY CONNECT TO THAT. 
          AGAIN, THE CITY OWNS THE PARKWOOD SITE. 
          WE THINK THAT BY ACTIVATING THIS SITE IT'LL CREATE A NEW ENERGY FOR THIS AREA AND HELP, YOU KNOW, LAND A USER THAT THEY WANT ON THAT, ON THAT HIGHWAY GROUND THERE. 
          AND THEN THANK, THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. 
          AND THEN AS YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL IS HERE VERSUS THE RETAIL RESTAURANT, YOU FEEL THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC OUTSIDE OF THE, THE RESIDENTS WILL FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING ONTO THE SITE AND SOLICITING TO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES HERE SINCE IT'S SO IT IS A VERY HEAVY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THAT WAS JUST ANOTHER REASON TOO, TO SEPARATE THE RETAIL A LITTLE BIT MORE WHERE THE GENERAL PUBLIC COULD EASILY COME AND VISIT A RESTAURANT OR ANY OF THE RETAILERS THAT ARE IN THE, THE INLINE SPACE WAS AGAIN JUST A, YOU WANT EVERYBODY BE ABLE TO USE IT, NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY, ONE MORE  AND THEN, UH, ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ALONG THE ARCH ON THIS STANDPOINT OF THE ARCHITECTURE, UH, REALLY, REALLY NICE DESIGN. 
          AND YOU MENTIONED YOU FEEL, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE HOW YOU FEEL IT FITS? 'CAUSE IT LOOKS JUDGING BY WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA. 
          I WOULD SAY IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT FOREIGN TO WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE NOW, BUT I WANT, I WANNA HEAR YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON HOW YOU FEEL IT FITS WITH THE DESIGN STYLE. 
          I MEAN THE, THE RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL SPECIFIC. 
          I FEEL LIKE I, SURE, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON THE, THE RETAIL SPACE 'CAUSE IT DOES FIT, BUT ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL SITE, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE? 
          [00:30:01]
SURE. 
          I THINK THE INTENT BEHIND IT WAS, ALTHOUGH YOU'RE CREATING A NEW PRODUCT, WE WANTED TO TAKE ANYTHING ULTRAMODERN OUT OF THE INSPIRATION OF IT. 
          I FEEL LIKE YOU SEE A LOT OF, WHETHER IT BE DOWNTOWN OR SUBURBAN NEW RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT IS VERY, VERY MODERN. 
          WE DID NOT WANT THAT TO BE THE CASE IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, WE TRY TO STAY AWAY, ALTHOUGH WE'RE SHOWING A DARKER PRODUCT ON THE EASTERN SIDE, WE TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM VERY HARSH MATERIALS AND HARSH COLORS, THAT KIND OF CONTRAST. 
          UM, AGAIN, INCORPORATING NATURAL MATERIALS. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK WHAT WE WILL ADD TO THE AREA, ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T EXACTLY REPLICATE, IS USING DIFFERENT MATERIALS AND HAVING A DIFFERENT LOOK FOR EACH BUILDING WILL MAKE IT INTEGRATE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS OPPOSED TO STANDING OUT AS A, A CHUNK ON ITS OWN. 
          THANK YOU MS. ARGER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH THE BUSINESSES AROUND THE AREA. 
          I THINK THAT'S, UH, A GOOD, UM, PERSPECTIVE TO KIND OF GET ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS AS WELL TOO. 
          UM, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE AMENITIES, I SEE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO SOME WALKING, THINGS LIKE THAT AND, UH, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE THE POOL. 
          UM, CORRECT THAT, BUT, UH, IS, WOULD THE PICKLEBALL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? WE'VE DEBATED ON THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO THE PROB TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IT'S INTENDED TO BE FOR THE PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          I KNOW OTHER, OTHER PROJECTS IN THE AREA OR OHIO REGION HAVE FIGURED OUT THE RIGHT WAY WHERE IT IS FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT YOU CAN RESERVE IT VIA A PUBLIC LINK THAT ALLOWS OTHERS TO ACCESS. 
          WE HAVEN'T QUITE FIGURED OUT THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THAT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING INTO. 
          ONCE YOU FIGURE THAT OUT, DO YOU THINK YOU'LL BE, UM, WHICHEVER WAY YOU GO, THE LANDSCAPING WOULD CHANGE WITH THAT TOO, IS HAVE YOU THOUGHT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC TO GO FALL INTO THE, YOU KNOW, SAY I'M GONNA GO SWIMMING TODAY AND THEN THEY CAN'T. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          THAT'S FAIR. 
          NO, YOU, IT'S A WELL TAKEN POINT. 
          YOU WOULD APPROPRIATELY LANDSCAPE AND FENCE IT SO THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THE BREAK IN PUBLIC TO PRIVATE AREA. 
          AND THEN, UM, I GUESS I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE, UM, OOPS, I'M SORRY, ONE SECOND HERE. 
          UM, PARKING WITH THE TOWNHOMES. 
          SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOU CAN PARK, THERE'S A GARAGE WITH IT, IS THAT CORRECT? JUST ON THE FIVE SMALLER BUILDINGS ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY AND THEN THERE'S ONE SLIGHTLY, UH, SOUTHEAST OF THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, THEN THERE WOULD BE, UM, A PLACE LIKE THAT YOU COULD PARK ANOTHER CAR. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE TWO CARS, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE ONE WOULD GO IN A GARAGE AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A, A ALLOCATED PARKING SPACES THAT YOU COULD PARK ELSEWHERE, A PAVEMENT, A PAVEMENT THAT YOU COULD PARK YOUR SECOND CAR. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          IT WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T IMAGINE THAT IT'S DESIGNATED TO THAT AREA, BUT IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR WITHIN THE MIX OF THE PARKING AVAILABLE TO THE PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S HARD FOR ME TO, TO SEE THAT. 
          'CAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT I WOULD DRIVE INTO MY GARAGE AND THEN BEHIND ME WOULD BE ANOTHER SPOT THAT I COULD PARK MY OTHER CAR. 
          YEAH. 
          IF I, YOU KNOW, IS THAT TRUE OR YOU'RE FIGURING THAT OUT? I THINK FIGURING THAT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, SO, SO THEN I GET TO THE NUMBER OF PARKING THAT'S THERE 'CAUSE IT STILL LOOKS A LOT OF PARKING AND SO, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE TAKING INTO EFFECT THE NUMBER THAT MAY BE PARKED IN A GARAGE OR PARKED ON A SLAB? IS THAT, SO IN THE RATIOS THAT WE PROVIDED AT STUDIO AND ONE BEDROOMS, ONE PER UNIT, TWO BEDROOMS, ONE AND A HALF, AND THEN TOWN HOMES TWO PER UNIT, THAT'S ALL THOSE RATIOS ARE INCLUDED IN THE 340 SPACES. 
          AND THE THREE 40 IS REFLECTIVE OF THE 50 TOWN HOME SPACES AS WELL AS THE SURFACE PARKING. 
          SO DO YOU COUNT THE ONE IN THE GARAGE AS A PARKING SPOT? YES. 
          LIKE THAT'S COUNTED? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST CLARIFYING, JUST MAKING SURE I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN THE SIDEWALKS, WILL THEY BE WIDENED TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, ENVISION DUBLIN'S LEANING TOWARDS AND SO FORTH? THEY'RE, THEY'RE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU GO OUT THERE NOW IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE THREE I GUESS FEET OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT SMALLER, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD EXPLORE. 
          WE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT DETAIL. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT LIKE IF YOU'RE WITH A STROLLER, YOU CAN WALK BY IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, ARE THE, ARE THE TOWN HOMES THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE THAT, THAT CHANGE UP A LITTLE BIT? UM, DO THEY HAVE BALCONIES OR ARE THOSE THE JULIET THOSE ARE SHOWN WITH BALCONIES, INTERIOR BALCONIES, CORRECT. 
          YOU CAN PARDON ME. 
          UH, WITH WITHIN, NOT ON THE CORNER. 
          SO IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THE, THE EDGES ARE FLANKED WITH BALCONIES, BUT ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING YOU CAN SEE, UM, ON THE ELEVATION WE HAVE INCLUDED BALCONIES. 
          AND YOU'RE SAYING I CAN WALK OUT ON IT? UH, YES, THE, THE, UH, GRADE LEVEL ONES ARE DESIGNED THAT YOU COULD WALK OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          PUT SOME FURNITURE OUT THERE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          AND THEN, UM, A COUPLE THINGS, LET ME GET MY QUESTION HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO 
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CONCERNING THE DRIVE-THROUGHS, UM, I GUESS I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU LOOKED AND, AND IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, IT SOUNDS LIKE DRIVE-THROUGHS ARE IN AND THAT WILL BRING SOME MORE PEOPLE TO THE AREA. 
          UM, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OR THINKING ABOUT HOW MANY CARS STACKS AND WOULD YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF PRODUCT THEY WOULD BE SELLING TO KNOW IF CARS COULD BE STACKED AND IF THERE'S PROB PROBLEMATIC PROBLEMS WITH THAT? YES, YOU WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT AND YOU WOULD LOOK INTO THAT AS WE GOT SMARTER ON THE USE OR THE TENANT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BRING TO THE PROJECT. 
          BUT TODAY YOU'RE ASKING FOR TWO, IF I'M HEARING THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          SO, UH, A CITY QUESTION, UM, WOULD THEY NEED TO COME BACK TO THIS BODY TO DISCUSS? UM, YEAH, IF THEY WERE DOING THAT? YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          SO BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE A PART OF A PLAN UNIT, DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING, WHICH INCLUDES THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD FIND AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT IS DRIVE-THROUGHS AND HOW MANY, UM, WHERE THOSE WOULD BE LOCATED. 
          THAT'S, THAT WOULD ALL BE HANDLED AT, AT A NEXT STEP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AT THAT POINT WE MAY NOT KNOW WHAT, WHO MAY BE, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTAKING IN IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT BUSINESS IS THERE. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE OUTLINING REQUIREMENTS FOR STACKING AT THAT POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I HAD ONE QUESTION ALSO, I I COULDN'T FIND IF THERE WAS SOME BUSING AROUND THERE TOO. 
          UM, BUS THAT'S ON LIKE PARKWOOD OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT? SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A SPOT ON THE SITE. 
          UM, IT'S WHERE THAT SOUTHERN CURB CUT IS, UM, I'M TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT IT ON THE SCREEN. 
          UM, THAT IS DEDICATED SPACE FOR A BUS PULL OFF, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE A BUS ROUTE THERE TODAY. 
          TINA, YOU WANNA CHIME IN ON THIS? I THINK THAT'S RIGHT, BUT I THINK CODA IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT ADDING A LINE LINE 30, UM, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY USE THAT SPACE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER. 
          ZACH, A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT TERMINOLOGY. 
          UM, ALL THE DOCUMENTS REFER TO THE RESIDENTIAL AS A SUPPORTING USE. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF IMPLICATIONS. 
          DOES THAT MEAN SECONDARY TO THE OTHER USES ON THE SITE? SO WITHIN THE, THE PARKWOOD MIXED USE RECOMMENDATIONS, SO THERE'S A PAGE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT TALKS SPECIFICALLY TO THIS SITE. 
          IT TALKS ABOUT A MIX OF NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL AND SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL. 
          SO IN THAT SENSE IT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT IT BEING A SUPPORTING USE. 
          NOW IN OUR, UM, THE EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN, AGAIN THAT LOOKS AT MORE THAN JUST THIS SITE. 
          IT LOOKS AS YOU GO ALONG TWO 70 AND THEN FURTHER TO THE NORTH. 
          SO RESIDENTIAL IS SOMETHING THAT IS CONTEMPLATED, UM, WITHIN THIS, THIS AREA. 
          I SEE. 
          SO IT'S BROADER. 
          UM, ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          CAN I, CAN I PIGGY BACK OFF OF THAT? SO THE COMMUNITY PLAN THOUGH, SPEAKING OF THIS AS A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD SITE, THE FUTURE LAND USE YES. 
          YES. 
          SPEAKS TO IT BEING A SECONDARY USE. 
          IT DOES, BUT THE MORE SPECIFIC SITE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN CALL OUT THAT THIS IS NOT, IT WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING THAT IT IS CONSIDERED AS A PRINCIPLE USE. 
          I THINK YOU I RECOMMENDED AS ONE. 
          YES. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BETWEEN THE TWO DOCUMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SECOND QUESTION ABOUT TERMINOLOGY. 
          TERMINOLOGY SHARED PARKING MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          NOW WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE IS DONE A STRICT PARKING COUNT BASED ON USES. 
          BUT DOES THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY EVER ALLOW FOR THOSE USES THAT ARE COMPLIMENTARY, SHARING THE SAME SPACES? WE HAVE DONE THAT, YES. 
          AND THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONTEMPLATED HERE. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WHAT THE APPLICANT HAD DONE WITH THIS IS TAKE THEIR UNITS AND PROVIDE A STANDARD, UH, AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT THEY WOULD NEED. 
          AND THEN I THINK THE SAME WITH THE COMMERCIAL. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S ON, JUST BASED ON WHAT IS OUT THERE. 
          IT'S NOT BASED ON OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE, IT'S JUST IN SHARED LOCATIONS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          'CAUSE THAT COULD HAVE A LOT OF BENEFITS. 
          UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          HOW ARE YOU? WELL, OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, THE, UM, ONE OF THE PLANS CALLS OUT FOR A HUNDRED FEET RIGHT AWAY ALONG, UM, EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          NOW TELL ME WHY YOU'VE CHOSEN TO DEPART FROM THAT. 
          SO WE, BASED ON THE 30 FOOT SETBACK THAT'S SHOWN IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO SINCE WE HAVE CONTRADICTORY PLANS, YOU CHOSE THE ONE MOST BENEFICIAL? YES, . 
          OKAY. 
          [00:40:01]
ALRIGHT, FAIR ENOUGH. 
          UM, HOW'D YOU COME UP WITH A NUMBER UNITS ON THE SITE? ? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          AS A DEVELOPER, WE ALWAYS WANT MORE DENSITY, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, NOT DO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE OVERWHELMING FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, STILL HOPEFULLY MAKE THE PROJECT FEASIBLE AND IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY A, AN ART TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          BUT, UM, AGAIN, I THINK BREAKING UP THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND CREATING, TRYING TO CREATE A NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, THERE WAS JUST KIND OF A, A HOPE TO GET CLOSE TO 200 UNITS OR JUST ABOVE THAT. 
          AND, AND LAST QUESTION, HOW ARE YOU ADDRESSING THE SCALE? I KNOW JAMIE ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE MATERIALS OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET. 
          HOW ARE YOU ADDRESSING THE SCALE OF THOSE BUILDINGS? SO WE'VE STARTED, AND, AND ZACH AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE DESIRE TO STEP UP AS YOU MOVE TOWARDS THE EAST TOWARDS TWO 70. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'VE SHOWN THE TALLEST BUILDINGS OF FOUR STORY ON THE EASTERN SIDE. 
          AS YOU LOOK ACROSS THE SITE, YOU STEP UP IN HEIGHT, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THE CAMDEN BUILDINGS ON THE WESTERN SIDE ARE AT A LOWER HEIGHT IN THE TOWN HOMES THAT WE'RE SHOWING. 
          WE'RE HOPING BY NOT ONLY STEPPING UP HEIGHT ON OUR SITE, BUT BY SHOWING THE DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPES WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL REALM, THAT IT ALSO HELPS WITH THAT MASSING EFFECT AGAIN, SO YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE STARING AT ONE VERY LARGE BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. DISHER. 
          THANKS KIM. 
          HEY ZACH, I WANNA GO BACK ON THE, THE QUESTION THAT GARY ASKED AND, UH, KIM FOLLOWED UP ON ABOUT THE, THE, UH, SPECIAL AREA PLAN, RIGHT? AND THEN THE ENVISION DUBLIN BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LITTLE CONTRADICTORY RELATIVE TO PRIMARY AND SECONDARY USES. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S FAIR, RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT IS THE CITY'S PREFERENCE? SO THE FUTURE LAND USE IS KIND OF YOUR 40,000 FOOT HIGH VIEW AND THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE DISTINCTION IN WHAT IS RECOMMENDED HERE IS KIND OF A CATCHALL FOR ANY PROPERTY IN THE CITY THAT HAS THE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION. 
          WHEN IT COMES TO THE SPECIAL AREA PLANS, THESE ARE NOT APPLICABLE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY, BUT JUST TO KEY LOCATIONS WHERE WE HAVE MORE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE EMERALD CORRIDOR OR SPECIAL AREA PLAN IS MORE SPECIFIC IN WHAT IS RECOMMENDED AND EXPECTED IN THESE AREAS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE PROBABLY, WE WOULD CONSIDER THE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD IN TERMS OF ITS INTENT. 
          BUT THE EMERALD CORRIDOR OR SPECIAL AREA PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MORE SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A BALANCING ACT BETWEEN THOSE, THOSE TWO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF IT, BUT THIS IS MORE SPECIFIC AND HAS THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT DO DEFER, UM, A LITTLE BIT FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE HERE THERE'S ESSENTIALLY ZERO OFFICE. 
          LET'S, AND THAT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF WHICH ONE? WHICH ONE OF THE PLANS? I CAN'T REMEMBER. 
          CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF THEM. 
          THERE'S TOO MANY, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY IT WAS IT THE CITY'S EXPECTATION TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF OFFICE USE AT THIS SITE BASED ON HOW WE SHOW THE CONCEPT ON THE SCREEN. 
          IT CONTEMPLATES NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL, NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, SUBURBAN OFFICE, AND MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO A LOT OF HORIZONTAL MIXED USE RATHER THAN VERTICAL MIXED USE HERE. 
          I'M WITH YOU. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          OKAY, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          THE, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE, THAT TREE LINE THAT WAS DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THAT'D BE DIFFICULT TO KIND OF NAVIGATE, UH, WITH, WITH THE DESIGN THAT YOU HAD, HOW, HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU SPEND EVALUATING POTENTIALLY SAVING SOME OF THE COMPONENTS OF THAT MATURE TREE LINE? OUR TREE STUDY IS STILL UNDERWAY, SO WE ARE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, GARY HAD THE QUESTION ON THE SETBACK FOR, FOR, WOULD YOU CONSIDER, HOW MUCH EVALUATION DID YOU DO ON SOME OF THAT? UH, THE, THAT THE RETAIL COMPONENT THAT FRONTS WARNER TEMPLE AND, AND, AND EMERALD PARKWAY? 'CAUSE IT FEELS LIKE IT'S NOT, NOT IN A BAD WAY JUST KIND OF THROWN DOWN AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY KIND OF OTHER CONSIDERATION ABOUT INCORPORATING, YOU KNOW, ENTERING EMERAL PARKWAY FROM, UM, FROM TUTTLE INCORPORATING SOME OF SOME DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURE OF THOSE RETAIL BUILDINGS. 
          YEAH, SO WE, WE'VE STARTED WITH KIND OF YOUR STANDARD SETBACK AND THEN THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED ABUNDANT GREEN SPACE AROUND IT. 
          THINKING THAT YOU 
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COULD UTILIZE THAT GREEN SPACE TO ADD MORE INTERESTING FEATURES, UM, TO BOTH HIGHLIGHT THE RETAIL BUT THEN ALSO ADD TO THE AREA SOME TYPE OF GATEWAY FEATURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SURE. 
          CONSIDER THAT. 
          IT FEELS, I DON'T KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE STREET, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE CONTINUING DOWN THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE DRIVE-THROUGHS. 
          I THINK I KNOW THE OLD STEAK AND CHICK, I CAN'T REMEMBER THEY'RE THERE. 
          IT JUST, IT FEELS KIND OF NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THAT SITE. 
          W WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER REMOVING THE DRIVE-THROUGHS AND DOING SOME OTHER TYPE OF RESIDENT OR RETAIL IN THOSE IN THOSE AREAS? I THINK WHAT'S CHALLENGING IS WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE MARKET IS THAT IF YOU ELIMINATE THE DRIVE-THROUGHS, YOU'RE GONNA BE CHALLENGED TO BRING QUALITY TENANTS TO THOSE BUILDINGS TO FILL THOSE BUILDINGS AND ACTUALLY ADD AMENITIES TO THE AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT TYPE OF EVALUATION HAVE YOU DONE RELATIVE TO THE OPEN SPACES? BECAUSE YOU KNOW THIS, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY DENSE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE CERTAIN OF THESE APARTMENTS ARE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE TO THE EXTENT THEY CONTEMPLATE CHILDREN BEING AROUND. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO, WHILE AS PHIL MENTIONED, OBVIOUSLY AS A DEVELOPER YOU LIKE TO MEET A CERTAIN DENSITY FOR THE PROJECT. 
          BUT SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS YOU HAVE THIS MAIN PARK FEATURE THAT'S ACCESSIBLE FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON THE SITE, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THOSE DIFFERENT POCKETS. 
          WE'RE SHOWING A DOG PARK ON KIND OF, I'LL CALL IT THE, THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, EACH OF THE OTHER, SO THE FURTHEST NORTH FOUR STORY BUILDING AND PRODUCTS WOULD LIKELY ACCESS THE MAIN AMENITY AREA. 
          AND THEN THE, THE BUILDINGS ON THE CENTER, CENTER AND SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE, EACH OF THOSE HAVE INCLUDED A PATIO GRILL, LOUNGE AREA, OUTDOOR AREA THAT COULD BE SPECIFIC TO THAT BUILDING. 
          SO THAT WAS SOMETHING WE TRIED TO BE THOUGHTFUL FOR THAT. 
          IF YOU FEEL LIKE, HEY, I, I LEASED THE FURTHEST SOUTHERN, UM, BUILDING ON THE SITE, I'M REALLY DISCONNECTED FROM ANY SORT OF AMENITY AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          IN ADDITION, THAT'S ALSO WHY WE INCLUDED THAT CENTER SIDEWALK, THAT THAT IS STRAIGHT FROM THE NORTHERN TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION, NOT OBSTRUCTED OR TURNING SO THAT YOU FEEL AS THOUGH I, I COULD ENJOYABLY WALK FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER AND ACCESS THE MAIN AMENITIES IN GREEN SPACE. 
          AND YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED IT EARLIER, I THINK THERE'S POTENTIAL CONTEMPLATING, CONTEMPLATING GIVING SOME OF THAT LAND BACK TO THE CITY TO RUN THE PARK. 
          UH, THAT WALKING LOOP OR, BECAUSE I FEEL IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS, I'M GONNA LET MY KID GO TO A PARK THAT THE MAY PUBLIC COULD BE THERE, IT FEELS UNSAFE POTENTIALLY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT IT. 
          SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS DON'T ALLOW A CONTEMPLATION OF OF UM, I GUESS KIDS IN A, IN A SMALL CONTAINED AREA. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT'S FROM A APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT JUST HAVING THAT, YOU KNOW, ABILITY TO NOT BE WORRIED ABOUT SOMETHING HAPPENING. 
          AND IF YOU GIVE THE PARK UP PUBLIC, THERE'S GONNA BE PUBLIC WALKING AROUND THERE. 
          UM, AND I'LL TELL YOU THE PICKLEBALL THING IS GONNA BE AN INTERESTING PIECE. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT LOCKED DOWN, PEOPLE WILL YEAH. 
          GRAVITATE YEP. 
          TO IT. 
          UM, REAL QUICK, AND THIS IS KINDA MY LAST QUE LAST QUESTION, THE THREE STORY TOWNHOME PIECE ALONG EMERALD. 
          WAS THERE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATION FOR, AND I KNOW THAT PROBABLY GONNA TALK ABOUT THE LACK OF OFFICE, BUT FROM, IF YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING RESIDENTIAL THERE, DID YOU THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT FRONTAGE? 'CAUSE IT FEELS WHEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO OUT THERE, IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE WITH WHAT'S WHAT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SURE. 
          SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THERE IS SHOWN ON THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN IS SMALLER OFFICE PRODUCT LIKELY DESIGNED TO MIRROR THE CONDO OFFICE ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SO INSTEAD OF PUTTING A LARGE BLOCK OF A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, WE TRIED TO BREAK UP THE MASSING SO THAT THE MASSING WAS SIMILAR, ALTHOUGH THE USE WAS DIFFERENT. 
          AND THEN WE TRIED TO, WE ADDED THE PEAKED ROOFS AGAIN TO TRY TO COMPLIMENT THE, THE PEAKED ROOFS ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SO MAYBE, MAYBE OUR INTENTIONS AREN'T DERIVING THE CORRECT PRODUCT THERE, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO MEET THE DESIRED MASSING ALONG THAT STREET. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK I'M GOOD, KIM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO START FIRST WITH THE, WITH EMERALD PARKWAY, MISS WASKOWITZ . 
          UM, THERE, THERE'S THE TWO NEW PROPOSED STREETS AND THEN WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP TO THE EXISTING MEDIA IN EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          HOW IS 
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RAF, I MEAN, THERE'S ALREADY TURN LANES FOR THE EXISTING USES. 
          HOW WOULD THIS FUNCTION TO SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT? THE HOW WOULD THE, HOW WOULD THE MEDIAN BE? MM-HMM . 
          THE MEDIAN COULD BE MAINTAINED IN THAT, UM, CENTER. 
          WHAT I'M PICTURING IS THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE ON EMERALD PARKWAY THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, THERE'S ALREADY A, A FULL MEDIAN BREAK FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          SO THAT WOULD, UM, BE MODIFIED TO CREATE THAT LEFT TURN BAY FOR, UH, THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND WE WOULD CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM THROUGH THE PDP AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS FUNCTIONING. 
          SO YOU COULD, YOU WOULD ADD A LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AT THAT POINT? IT WOULD BE PART OF THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBILITY. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT HAVE TO BE, YOU'D HAVE TO ALTER WHAT'S THERE NOW TO CREATE THE CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          CHANGING THE EXISTING MEDIAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU MAKE A LEFT TURN IN ON THE SOUTH DRIVE? IT'S, THERE'S ALREADY A . 
          I WOULD HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE CONTEMPLATED AS A WRITE IN, WRITE OUT. 
          I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT IT IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE POTENTIAL BUS STOP AREA. 
          SO I THINK THOSE ARE DETAILS TO WORK THROUGH IN THE NEXT, UM, SUBMISSIONS. 
          THE, THE, THE GRAPHIC THAT'S UP ON THE STREET IS PEN ALTERED TO LOOK LIKE THE MEDIAN IS BROKEN THERE, BUT IT'S NOT BROKEN. 
          RIGHT? IT IS NOT, IT NARROWS, UM, FOR THE TURN LANES AT THE WARNER TEMPLE INTERSECTION, BUT THERE'S A RAISED CURB THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          I, AND AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING INTO DETAILS YEAH. 
          BE HONEST. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA TO UNDERSTAND ESTABLISHING THIS ROADS SYSTEM IS DEPENDENT ON THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          UM, SECOND QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, I ASSUME THAT THE TWO PONDS ARE MEETING YOUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT NEED? CORRECT. 
          OR IS THERE SOME OTHER NEED YOU HAVE UNDER UNDERGROUND TANKS OR ANYTHING TO OFFSET THAT? CORRECT. 
          THOSE ARE INTENDED TO BE DETENTION AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, HAD YOU CONSIDERED THE, THE NORTHERN CORNER TO BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN A PARK A LIKE THE, THE, UM, PLAN SHOWS, THE CITY PLAN SHOWS THAT AS A DEVELOPED CORNER. 
          HAD YOU EVER CONSIDERED THAT AS AN OPTION OR BECAUSE YOU NEEDED A PLACE TO PUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THAT WAS THE LOGICAL PLACE BECAUSE OF GRADES OR WHATEVER? AND SO THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THAT'S A LOGICAL PLACE FOR STORM UNDER MANAGEMENT OR IS IT STILL A GOOD DEVELOPMENT SITE? SURE. 
          SO WHAT'S REALLY DRIVING THE NORTHERN PORTION BEING A GREEN PLACE, WHICH ALSO SERVES AS OUR DETENTION, IS A PRESERVATION OF THE GEORGE GEARY RUN AND THE NATURAL TREE LINE RIGHT THERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE'RE TRYING TO LEAVE THAT PORTION AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN'T NECESSARILY ACHIEVE MAINTAINING THE NATURAL, UM, TREE LINE WITHIN THE CENTER OF THE SITE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING, PUTTING THE POND UP THERE. 
          UM, WE, WE DID LOOK AT OTHER CONCEPTS AS WELL, UM, SIMILAR TO THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD ABOUT FEELING DISCONNECTED WITHIN A MIXED USE PRODUCT. 
          UM, I THINK IF YOU WERE TO PUT EITHER RESIDENTIAL OR OFFICE UP THERE, THOSE TENANTS MIGHT FEEL SLIGHTLY DISCONNECTED FROM THE REST OF THE PARK. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU'RE HEARING SOME COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION THAT, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE IN ONE CORNER VERSUS MORE IN INTEGRATED INTO THE, INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS WHAT I THINK THE, THE FOCUS OF THEIR QUESTIONS HAS BEEN. 
          I'M GONNA ADD, ADD, ADD THAT KIM. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE OF WHEN I LOOKED AT YOUR PLAN AND ONE OF THE, AND THIS ALSO FOLLOWS UP ON JASON'S POINT, THERE'S NO SURVEILLANCE OF THESE, THESE SPACES, THESE PASSIVE PLAY SPACES. 
          THEY'RE KIND OF RESIDUALS LEFT OVER FROM MOVING THE BUILDINGS AND THE PARKING AROUND THE SITE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE SPACE AT THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BUT THE BUILDINGS DON'T REALLY DEFINE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS TO INTEGRATE THE GREEN SPACE. 
          NOW YOU'VE, YOU'VE MADE SQUARES OUTTA YOUR PARKING, SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW LONG THOSE TREES LAST IN THOSE PARKING LOTS. 
          BUT, UM, I JUST, I THINK THE POINT BOTH THAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM A COUPLE PEOPLE HERE ON THE BOARD IS THOSE PLAY SPACES NEED TO BE BETTER INTEGRATED INTO THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I KIND OF FOLLOW ONTO THAT. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK YOU ABOUT THE DOG PARK AND THE LOCATION OF WHY YOU CHOSE THAT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF A KEY CORNER COMING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, IT DOES OPEN UP KIND OF A VIEW CORNER INTO THE PARKING BEHIND WHICH WE, WHICH WE WANT TO PROBABLY SCREEN. 
          AND SO JUST, AND AGAIN, IT'S OUT ON A BUSY ROAD, SO THINKING OF DOGS ESCAPING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE ON EMERAL PARKWAY, . 
          SURE. 
          SO THE THE PRIVATE AMENITY AREAS WOULD BE JUST THAT THEY WOULD BE PRIVATE AND SECURE WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH WE'RE SHOWING IN THIS CORNER THE DOG PARK EXPANDING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE GREEN SPACE, THAT CORNER UPON ENTRY WOULD SERVE AS A GREAT PLACE FOR A MONUMENT SIGN OR A FEATURE TO ENTER THE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN YOU COULD SCREEN ANY AMENITY USE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL BEHIND THAT SO IT COULD SERVE MULTIPURPOSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, 
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SHIFTING OVER TO THE SOUTH, AGAIN, I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AROUND THE, THE DRIVE-THROUGHS AND THE, AND THE RESTAURANTS. 
          UM, SO THOSE, THE LOCATION OF THOSE TWO BUILDINGS ARE SUCH THAT THE ONE ON EMERALD PARKWAY ONLY HAS TWO SIDES YOU CAN ACCESS. 
          AND THE ONE THAT'S ON WARNER TEMPLE ONLY HAS ONE SIDE THAT YOU CAN ACCESS. 
          AND SO I'M THINKING OF SERVICE AND TRASH AND ALL THAT STUFF OF HAD YOU THOUGHT THROUGH ABOUT HOW THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD BE SERVICED? IT, IT'S A FAIR COMMENT, ESPECIALLY ON THE SOUTHEASTERN CORNER. 
          WHAT DROVE THE PLACEMENT OF IT WAS THE OUTLAW ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER THAT PROBABLY WANTS TO BE A COFFEE USER, AN ELEVATED FAST CASUAL. 
          THEY HAVE A DESIRE TO BE ON A HARD CORNER. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S ATTRACTIVE TO, UM, TENANTS THAT WOULD OCCUPY THAT. 
          AND THEN SIMILAR FOR THE INLINE UM, BUILDING, THEY WANT STRONG FRONTAGE AS WELL ON A MAIN ROAD, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE PLACED IT UP AGAINST WARNER TEMPLE ROAD. 
          AND THEN THE, THE GOAL OF PLACING THE BUILDING IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER WAS TO CREATE A COOL OUTDOOR SEATING PATIO ENVIRONMENT THAT COULD BE REALLY ATTRACTIVE TO A USE. 
          BUT YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN ON CIRCULATION AND I'M SURE, I'M SURE WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN FUTURE APPLICATIONS. 
          YES. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M GONNA LOOK TO THE COMMISSION IF THERE'S ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. 
          YES. 
          I'M SORRY, I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT TWO 70 DRIVING ON PARKWOOD. 
          I DIDN'T REALLY SEE IT, BUT DO YOU THINK THAT FROM THEIR, UM, TOWN HOMES AND SO FORTH UP, IS THERE ANY WAY EITHER, UM, THEY'RE SEEING TWO 70 OR IF IF, IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY AND YOU'RE SEEING THIS PROJECT? I WOULD SAY THE, THE GOAL IN THE FUTURE IS THAT WHEN THE SPACE BETWEEN THIS PARCEL AND TWO 70 DEVELOP, THAT IS IDEALLY GOING TO HAVE TALLER CORPORATE OFFICE BUILDINGS, LIKE WHAT'S EXISTING OUT THERE THAT HELP BREAK UP ANY VIEW CORRIDOR INTO THE SITE. 
          SO AT, AT THIS POINT WE DO NOT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE'VE MADE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION, UH, BETWEEN WHAT'S SHOULD BE CORPORATE OFFICE AND WHAT SHOULD BE, UH, MULTIFAMILY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. 
          I WILL NOW OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU, UH, APPLICANT FOR THANK YOU. 
          UM, DOES ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TALK TO THIS APPLICATION FROM THE AUDIENCE, FROM THE PUBLIC? HMM. 
          OKAY. 
          I ASSUME YOU'RE HERE FOR OTHER CASES. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, IF NOBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND WE'RE NOW GONNA GO INTO COMMISSION DELIBERATION. 
          SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN NOW. 
          UH, MR. CHINOOK, YOU ALWAYS LIKE TO GO FIRST. 
          I'D LOVE GOING FIRST. 
          UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR, FOR COMING AND I, I THINK, UM, APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT ARE, THAT'S KIND OF WELL, WELL, WELL THOUGHT OUT. 
          HERE, UH, AND WE BROUGHT UP IN QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY'S KIND OF HINTING AT IT. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY, I HAVE A, A CONCERN REGARDING THE, THE MIX THAT IT'S VERY HEAVY RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT DEVIATES A LITTLE BIT FROM OUR, FROM OUR ENVISION PLAN. 
          AND THEN THAT GETS TO YOU, YOU, YOU SPOKE OF WALKABILITY AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND TRYING TO CREATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL OR THE RETAIL SUPPORTING THE, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, COFFEE SHOPS, WHATEVER, SUPPORTING IT AND TRYING TO, TRYING TO CREATE A PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S KIND OF LAID OUT TO SUPPORT THAT AS MUCH AS IT SOUNDS, ESPECIALLY IT RELATES TO THE DRIVE-THROUGH. 
          SO I HAVE A, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE DRIVE THROUGHS AS PART OF THIS. 
          AGAIN, TRYING TO LESS RELI ON AUTOMOTIVE TRAFFIC, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOUR POTENTIAL TENANTS ARE SAYING, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT AS IT IS IN THIS CURRENT LAYOUT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND I THINK WE ALLUDED TO THE GENERAL, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACES AND HAVING IT FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE TRULY MIXED. 
          UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, I GO BACK TO, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY HEAVY, A LITTLE HEAVILY WEIGHED RESIDENTIAL AND, AND, AND AS WE, AS WE LOOK AT IT COMPARED TO KIND OF OUR, OUR, OUR VISION FOR THE SPACE AND I ADD TO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING TREES, I THINK WE CAN MAYBE TRY A LITTLE HARDER THERE. 
          UM, IT'S NOT, I MEAN, IT'S A BIG PART OF OUR, OUR VISION TOO IS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT TYPE OF PRESERVATION, WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, UM, UH, THUS FAR. 
          BUT I THINK WE CAN TAKE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND TRY TO WORK A LITTLE HARDER TO PRESERVE THE OTHER, THE OTHER TREES ON SITE. 
          I'D GO BACK TO THE, I'D LOVE WHEN YOU COME BACK, I'D LOVE TO SEE A, A, A KIND OF A, A HEIGHT STUDY LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BUILDINGS ACROSS BERLAND PARKWAY AS YOU GET TO THE PROPOSED WHATEVER IT IS, THE, THE, IF IT'S TOWN HOMES 
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RIGHT AROUND NUMBER PARKWAY AS WE, AS WE GO EAST OR WEST, EAST ACROSS THE SITE. 
          AND LOOK AT HOW THE FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS KIND OF FIT WITHIN THE WHOLE HEIGHT. 
          BECAUSE I, I DO THINK, AND THE COMMISSION BROUGHT UP SEVERAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE HEIGHT AND THE SCALE OF, OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA AND MAKING SURE, SO A HEIGHT STUDY OR LOOKING AT THE HEIGHTS, I THINK WOULD, WOULD, WOULD FEEL VERY APPROPRIATE AND HELP US KIND OF UNDERSTAND, UM, HOW IT'S ALL GOING TO MESH TOGETHER AND GEL. 
          AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE, THE DRIVE-THROUGHS FOR A MOMENT, THE, THE CORNER AT EMERALD PARKWAY IN WARNER TEMPLE IS OBVIOUSLY A REALLY KEY CORNER. 
          AND HAVING, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH AS OUR FEATURE, UH, THE DRIVE THROUGH STACK, I SHOULD SAY, AS THE FEATURE I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER, YOU'VE STARTED TO DEVIATE A LITTLE BIT FROM THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN WITH START TAKING THAT, THAT, THAT RETAIL SPACE AND BRINGING IT FRONT, HIDING, PARKING, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HIDE PARKING AND CREATE MORE OF A, OF A, OF THAT TYPE OF STREET SCAPE AND FOCUS. 
          YOU MENTIONED IT, FOCUS ON SOME OF THESE FEATURE FOCAL FEATURES. 
          UH, SOME FROM, FROM SOME OF THOSE KEY AREAS ON THE SITE, UH, WOULD BE SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY WANNA CONSIDER AND, AND THINK ABOUT, UM, AS WE COME BACK. 
          AND I'D SAY, AGAIN, I MENTIONED A MOUNTING TOO. 
          I THINK THE MOUNTINGS KIND OF AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THAT. 
          I THINK IT HELPS KIND OF, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE GONNA DO RESIDENTIAL, I THINK WE JUST WANT TO KIND OF CONSIDER MORE HOW THAT'S LANDSCAPED AND, AND MAYBE BRING SOME OF THAT BACK. 
          BUT GENERALLY, UM, UM, ANSWER. 
          I DIDN'T REALLY ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS DIRECTLY, BUT OVERALL, I THINK IT'S OKAY. 
          I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO DO, UM, TO, TO BE FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, I THINK A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD THOUGHT. 
          I LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF NICE THINGS ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          I THINK WE BROUGHT UP SOME OF THE LITTLE MORE, UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENT MATERIALITY IN TRYING TO DO SOMETHING, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          BUT I, I, I THINK WE NEED TO JUST, AGAIN, WITH THE HEIGHT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT, IT ACTUALLY CAN FIT WITHIN THE, THE, THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, UM, AROUND THE SITE. 
          BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR, FOR BEING HERE. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HAR. 
          GOOD POINTS. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND BRINGING THIS PROJECT FORWARD AND, UM, SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME AND I, WE APPRECIATE THAT A LOT. 
          UM, TALKING ABOUT, UM, UH, WHERE I AM TODAY ON IT, IT, IT FEELS HEAVY. 
          UH, YOU HEARD THAT FROM EVERYONE ABOUT, UM, THAT, THAT KIND OF FEELING. 
          SO TO ME, THE SETBACK IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          IF IT'S A HUNDRED FEET. 
          IT'S ALSO MIMICKING THE OTHER SIDE TOO, WHERE THEY HAVE THE MOUND AND THEY HAVE THE TREES AND THE GRASSES AND THE PINE. 
          THERE'S, UM, WE CAN SEE THAT THAT IS JUST A NICE CULTIVATING AREA THAT, UM, THAT WE CAN ALL GROW FROM, FROM THAT. 
          UM, ALSO, I LIKE THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE RETAIL THAT YOU WANNA BRING FORWARD. 
          I, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          I LOVE THAT YOU REACHED OUT TO, UM, UH, THE PEOPLE FROM THE OFFICES AND AROUND. 
          THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S THAT EMERALD TOWN CENTER THAT'S ACROSS, ACROSS THE STREET ON WARNER. 
          UM, THEY DEVELOP THEIRS INWARD. 
          SO WHEN YOU, YOU'VE GOTTA GO IN AND THAT'S WHERE THE PARKING IS INWARD. 
          AND, UH, THEY HAVE A, A GREAT BUSINESSES IN THERE. 
          UH, THERE'S A BAKERY AND DIFFERENT FOOD PLACES, PIZZA, VETERINARIAN AND SO FORTH. 
          BUT WHAT I THINK IS POSITIVE ON THIS END IS YOU WE'RE GOING FACE FORWARD ON THIS. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT THEN BRINGS US CLOSER TO THEM. 
          UM, AND THAT BRINGS THE KIND OF THE BUSINESSES TOGETHER AND PEOPLE, UM, A MORE WALKABLE COMMUNITY WITH THAT. 
          ON TOP OF THAT, IF YOU'RE STANDING OVER THERE, YOU CAN KINDA LOOK TO YOUR LEFT AND YOU SEE THE POST OFFICE. 
          SO IF WE CAN GET PEOPLE WALKING FROM A RESIDENTIAL AREA TO A COMMERCIAL AREA TO THEN ACROSS THE STREET SAFELY, AND THEN, OH, I CAN KIND OF KEEP GOING. 
          IT JUST REALLY BRINGS US TO THAT, UM, WALKABILITY. 
          UM, AND, UM, AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL OF THESE CORNERS ALREADY HAVE, UM, WHERE THEY'VE WORKED TO BUILD THEM. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE TURNING A CORNER, UM, EVEN ON PARK PARKWOOD, I BELIEVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A NICE EXPERIENCE. 
          IT'S, IT'S PRETTY THAT WAY. 
          UM, AND SO FORTH. 
          SO IF I'M THINKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, NUMBER TWO ALSO, UH, THE, JUST THE TOWN HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE GARAGES. 
          I THINK REWORKING SOME PARKING ISSUES, IF, AND IF YOU CAN SHARE SOME PARK PARKING OR IF IT, IF YOU'RE KIND OF BRINGING THE TOWN HOMES CLOSER TOGETHER, THEN IT FEELS LIKE A, A A MORE OF A COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THAT, THAT REGARD THERE TOO. 
          SO, UM, AND LET'S SEE. 
          UM, I'M, I'M GOOD ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          I THINK I LIKE THE, THE TOWNHOME ESPECIALLY, UH, ALONG THE STREET. 
          I 
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THINK THEY LOOK VERY NICE. 
          AGAIN, I, IT'S REALLY GONNA MATTER TO HAVE THAT SPACE, UM, BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN, UM, THE STREETS AND THEN, AND THEN TO THE TOWNHOMES. 
          AND IF IT'S A HUNDRED FEET, IT SHOULD BE A HUNDRED FEET WITH THAT TOO. 
          UM, BUT YOU DID DO A NICE JOB WITH, I LIKE THE ROUNDNESS OF THE DOORS. 
          I LIKE, UM, THE, THE DIFFERENT BALCONIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, WHEN, WHEN I GET TO THE, THE, THE APARTMENTS IN THE BACK, I, I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE A LITTLE LOOK AT THOSE AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME OTHER, UH, THOUGHTS AND SO FORTH. 
          I, I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR. 
          BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN HOMES TOO, OR, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING, SOLAR IDEAS OR ARE THERE ANY, 'CAUSE WE'VE, WE HAVE A PROGRAM ON THAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, ANY KIND OF ROOFTOP FEATURES AS WELL TOO, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S SOMETHING, IF THAT'S SORT TOO. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN I GO TO, UM, THE EMERALD PARKWAY, IT'S A CORRIDOR. 
          IF YOU GO A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE BENCHES ON THE CORNERS, UM, AS WELL AS LIKE A, A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, A STRUCTURE THAT YOU CAN SIT IN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO IT'S, AGAIN, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, UM, AND, UH, AND, AND, AND MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          BUT, UM, OVERALL, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I GET TO THE POINT WHERE, UM, I'M SENSITIVE FOR THE NUMBER THAT BRINGING AND THAT, UM, THERE'S NO OFFICE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. ALEXANDER. 
          I'M, UM, MY ONE RESERVATION ABOUT THE PLAN HAS TO DO WITH EMERALD PARKWAY BECAUSE IF YOU READ OUR DOCUMENTS, THE A HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, GRANTED THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CONTRADICTS THAT, BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT THE, A COUPLE OF THE DOCUMENTS SAY ONE TO TWO STORY BUILDINGS. 
          SO THE APPROACH IS, THE IMPLICATION OF THOSE TWO THINGS IS THAT THE SCALE ON EMERALD PARKWAY SHOULD BE PRETTY MINIMAL. 
          IT SHOULD NOT BE AS MASSIVE AS YOU HAVE. 
          AND, AND, AND I THINK THE SCALE IS COMPOUNDED BY HOW FAR YOU BRING THEM OUT. 
          HOWEVER, ACROSS THE STREET IS NOT A GOOD SOLUTION BECAUSE IF YOU ACCOMMODATED THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK AND PUT PARKING IN THE FRONT, THAT WOULD BE MUCH LESS DESIRABLE THAN BUILDINGS CLOSER. 
          SO I WOULD BE, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH YAMAL PARKWAY TREATMENT IF THE BUILDINGS WERE SMALLER AND I COULD GIVE ON THE, THE SETBACK THERE. 
          I, UM, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BRING RESIDENTIAL TO AN AREA WHERE THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL OR VERY LITTLE, SO IT'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S NEEDED THERE. 
          SO I, I THINK I'M, AND SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE HEAVILY WEIGHTED RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          UM, ONE THING I, I BROUGHT UP THE PARKING BEFORE BECAUSE IF YOU THOUGHT MORE OF THE SHARED PARKING, THEN, THEN YOU COULD REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE LOTS. 
          YOU REDUCE THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT, YOU REDUCE YOUR NEED FOR STORM WATER. 
          AND WOULD ASKING FOR SOME OF THESE GREEN SPACES TO BE MORE INTEGRATED, WHETHER IT'S THE MAINTAINING THE EXISTING TREES AND CREATING A, A MORE PROMINENT PATH THROUGH THERE, I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE YOU TO EXPLORE THAT. 
          BUT GENERALLY I WOULD BE WITH, WITH RESERVATIONS ABOUT EMERALD. 
          I, I, I, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU MR. DESLER. 
          THANKS, KIM. 
          I ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS. 
          THE SPACE DEFINITELY NEEDS SOMETHING. 
          I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO BE TOO REPETITIVE HERE. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE EXISTING MATURE TREES RETHINKING THE, THE GREEN SPACE. 
          ONE THING IS, IT FEELS LIKE THE, THE CLUBHOUSE AND RECREATION AREA WAS A LITTLE BIT OF AN, A LITTLE BIT OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT. 
          AND I WAS LIKE, OH, WE'RE JUST GONNA STICK IT OVER HERE. 
          I, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A MORE CENTRALIZED AND DENSE RESIDENTIAL AREA, MAYBE THE CLUBHOUSE SHOULD BE CENTRALIZED WITH A GREEN SPACE THAT CAN RUN THROUGHOUT A A CENTER CORRIDOR. 
          UM, I FEEL THE SOMEHOW THERE NEEDS TO INCORPORATE SOME OFFICE, BUT I, I DO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTIES NOW WITH, WITH THAT. 
          UM, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THE DESIGNERS AND DEVELOPERS TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING. 
          MAYBE THAT COULD INCORPORATE SOME OFFICE COMPONENT, BUT I'D BE, UH, SOMEWHAT A GARY, I THINK I'D BE OKAY WITH A MORE HEAVILY WEIGHTED RESIDENTIAL PIECE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL, UH, THIS SPACE IS, IS DYING FOR IT. 
          AND I THINK ACROSS THE STREET IT COULD, IT COULD BE A LITTLE, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST SAY, UM, YOU HEARD MY RESERVATIONS ALREADY ABOUT A DRIVE THROUGH. 
          UH, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN I WOULD BE COMPLETELY AGAINST IT, BUT THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE 
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SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA MAKE THIS POP OUT A LITTLE BETTER. 
          UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THIS TO END UP AS, AS PORTIONS OF TU ARE, WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE MORE OF A, A THOROUGHFARE, WHICH IS WHAT'S EXPECTED AT THAT AREA. 
          THE INITIAL DRAWINGS RELATIVE TO THE, THE BUILDING MASSING, I THINK ARE, ARE APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, IT, IT BRINGS A NEW WAVE OF SOME ARCHITECTURE THERE, WHICH I THINK IS OKAY, BUT RETHINKING HOW THE, THE, THE TOWN HOMES FIT AT THAT, UH, ALONG EMERALD MAINE MAY NEED TO BE AGAIN, REEVALUATED I THINK FOR THE, THE USE HERE. 
          SO LEMME JUST CHECK MY NOTES. 
          UH, OKAY, I'M SET. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS ZACH, CAN YOU PULL UP THE, THE GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THE, THE TWO PLANS SIDE BY SIDE, THE AREA PLAN AND THE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A POINT, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT TWO PLANS BEING DIFFERENT. 
          UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, I SEE BLUE AND ORANGE, THAT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN IT IS THE PURPLE. 
          AGAIN, NOT KNOWING SQUARE FOOTAGE IS RIGHT OR HOW TALL BUILDINGS ARE, BUT I THINK BOTH PLANS ARE REALLY SPEAKING TO THIS BEING MIXED USE AND BEING A BALANCE OF, OF OFFICE, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THE TWO PLANS ARE IN CONFLICT. 
          I THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY QUITE WELL ALIGNED AND IT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DEBATE, YOU KNOW, 60, 40, 40 60. 
          BUT AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S A BALANCE OF USES AND I THINK, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS BEEN STRUGGLING WITH IS THIS NEW DEFINITION OF MIXED USE AND WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? AND I THINK AS WE LOOK AT THESE CASES, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO, TO DISCUSS IT. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK, AND YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE QUESTION NOW, ZACH, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, I THINK THE, THE MIX OF USES HERE IS, IS, IS, IS OUT OF BALANCE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE OFFICE OR NOT OFFICE, BUT SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AND I THINK MR. ALEXANDER RAISED THE ISSUE OF THE EMERALD PARKWAY EDGE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN EMERALD PARKWAY, IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ADDRESS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN TO SEE RESIDENTIAL FRONTING ONTO IT THAT IT'S NOT EVEN AN APARTMENT THAT HAS KIND OF AN EDGE, IT'S TOWNHOUSES THAT HAVE A FRONT DOOR AND WALKWAYS AND, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU FEEL THAT FEELS OUTTA PLACE TO ME IN THIS CORRIDOR. 
          SO, UM, IN TERMS OF THE LAYOUT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THE AREA PLAN, YOU'VE GOT THE GRID RIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK THE USES ARE NOT QUITE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING UP ELSE UP AGAINST AMMO PARKWAY AND, AND I, I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT HAS TO BE OFFICE, BUT IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL IN MY MIND. 
          UM, I THINK YOU HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT OPEN SPACE AND I FEEL LIKE THE OPEN SPACE IS KIND OF BEING PUSHED TO THE EDGES AND WHEN YOU WANT OPEN SPACE TO BE INTEGRATED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AND, AND INTO THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE MAKE UP THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I THINK THAT, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE HEROIC OPEN SPACES. 
          THEY COULD BE POCKET PARKS AND PLAZAS THAT ARE INTERTWINED AND MAYBE THE DOG PARK FITS INTO THAT CATEGORY. 
          I STILL THINK THAT'S IN THE WRONG PLACE. 
          UM, BUT IT'S PART OF THE OPEN SPACE NETWORK. 
          AND AGAIN, I AGREE THAT THIS, AGAIN, THE GREAT, UM, EFFORT TO SAVE THE EX THE EXISTING, UH, LINEAR RIPARIAN OPEN SPACE. 
          BUT I THINK THIS OTHER ONE THAT YOU SAID YOU'RE STUDYING, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE STUDIED HARDER. 
          AND I THINK IN STUDYING THAT YOU MIGHT FIND THAT THAT'S THE SOLUTION TO INTEGRATING THE OPEN SPACE MORE, UH, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE BASIC, UM, STRUCTURE TO THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE USES. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THE, THE CORNER OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND WARNER TEMPLE, UM, THEY DID SUCH A GOOD JOB ON THE OTHER SIDE, AGAIN, IT'S A ONE STORY, UH, COMMERCIAL COMPLEX, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AMAZED AT HOW WELL THAT ANCHORS THAT CORNER. 
          AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE THE OTHER CORNER ON THE OTHER SIDE NOT TREATED IN THE SAME WAY. 
          AND SO THIS IDEA OF PUTTING A DRIVE THROUGH ON THAT CORNER, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND LOSING THAT AS A GATEWAY LOCATION, I THINK IS A, A LOST OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND I THINK THE WHOLE WARNER TEMPLE EDGE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERED AS HOW DOES THAT EDGE CONTRIBUTE TO THE EXPERIENCE OF DRIVING ALONG WARNER TEMPLE. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE EFFORTS IN TERMS OF DISTRIBUTION OF USES. 
          I THINK THE GENERAL LAYOUT IS, IS ROUGHLY THERE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL CONCEPTS APPEAR TO BE ALIGNED WITH WHAT IS OUT THERE NOW. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY AND WARNER TEMPLE, THEY HAVE A CHARACTER AND I THINK FITTING INTO THAT CHARACTER IS THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          I THINK YOU'RE GENERALLY HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          AND AGAIN, I'VE ALREADY MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE 
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ABOUT DISTRIBUTION. 
          SO, UM, THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS TO THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          I WANT TO OPEN IT BACK UP TO THE COMMISSION. 
          DO YOU GUYS ALL HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WHICH CAN I ASK, DO YOU ASK YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE DRIVE-THROUGHS? I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN? CAN I ASK YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE DRIVE-THROUGH? UM, I'M NOT A PROPONENT OF DRIVE-THROUGHS , BUT IF THEY'RE AT THE RIGHT LOCATION OF THE SITE AND THEY'RE OUT OF SIGHT, THEY'RE NOT LIKE FRONT AND CENTER. 
          I WOULD, I BE, I COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THEM, BUT THEY, IF NOT DONE WELL, THEY CAN BE A REAL DETRIMENT TO A SITE PLAN INTO A URBAN DESIGN FIELD. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, UM, ADVOCATE, HAVE YOU HEARD ENOUGH FROM US AND GOT ENOUGH FEEDBACK? WELL, WE, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN AND, UM, WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AGAIN IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          ALL RIGHT, 
          [Case #25-108CP]
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON NOW TO CASE NUMBER 25 DASH 1 0 8 CP AVERY CROSSING CONCEPT PLAN, A REQUEST TO REVIEW A NON BITING FEEDBACK FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT COMPRISED OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND OPEN SPACE. 
          THE 127 ACRE SITE IS ZONED R RURAL AND LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE RINGS ROAD AND AVERY ROAD INTERSECTION AND CONTAINS THE PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME STATES. 
          SO INVITE OUR APPLICANT TO COME UP NOW AND MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION. 
          KIM, AM I GOOD TO STEP OUT? UH, YES, THANK YOU. 
          WE WILL CALL YOU BACK IN WHEN, APPRECIATE IT. 
          WE MOVE TO THE NEXT CASE. 
          IF YOU WOULD, UH, TURN THE MICROPHONE ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, MY NAME'S GARY O ROCKY, UH, DIT ARCHITECTS, 1 4 7 2 5 DETROIT AVENUE, LAKEWOOD, OHIO 4 4 1 0 7. 
          UH, WELL THANKS FOR, UH, THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, WE WERE LAST HERE IN APRIL, AND, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT FEEDBACK AND WE'RE BACK HERE AGAIN TO SHOW YOU, UH, SOME REFINEMENTS THAT WE MADE TO THE PLAN. 
          UH, JUST TO, JUST TO RECAP, THIS IS JUST A, A PLAN TO SHOW WHERE THE, UH, THE SITE IS IN, UH, CITY OF DUBLIN NEAR, UH, AVERY ROAD AND TU CROSSING THE FUTURE TUNNEL CROSSING ROAD. 
          IF THE ADVANCER ISN'T WORKING, JUST LOOK TO ME AND I CAN ADVANCE THE SLIDE FOR YOU. 
          I'M SORRY IF THAT ADVANCER IS NOT WORKING, JUST LOOK TO ME AND I CAN ADVANCE THE SLIDE FOR YOU. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, AND HERE AGAIN, IT WE'RE JUST SHOWING, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE SITE AND, UH, AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING IS SORT OF, UH, IN LINE WITH THE, WITH THE MASTER PLAN FOR DUBLIN. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE OF THE SITE, AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE IS AN EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARK, UH, THAT WILL REMAIN, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS OF JUST SOME OF THE, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS DOWN AVERY. 
          AND, UH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THE KEY PLAN IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER WHERE THE VIEWS ARE TAKEN FROM. 
          UH, IT'S BASICALLY A KIND OF A FLAT FARM, UH, OLD FARM SITE. 
          UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THIS, THIS IS SORT OF DESCRIBES SOME OF THE, UH, THE PURPLE, UH, LINE THAT GOES THROUGH IS THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF TUTTLE. 
          AND, UH, WE WORK WITH THE CITY TO KIND OF COME UP WITH A VAL LINEAR FORM THAT, UH, MEETS WITH THE, UH, DESIRES OF THE ENVISION MASTER PLAN FOR QUADRANTS. 
          BASICALLY, IF YOU CAN SEE, QUADRANT F WILL BE MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT OR QUADRANT. 
          K IS, UH, A COMMERCIAL, H IS THE, UH, EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARK, AND I WOULD BE MULTIFAMILY. 
          UH, AGAIN, THIS JUST SORT OF, UH, FURTHER CLARIFIES THE QUADRANTS, HOW WE'VE SUBDIVIDED THEM. 
          AND AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE TO THE NORTH, THERE'S MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN DUBLIN AND TO THE SOUTH OF THE PLAN, UH, THERE IS SOME EXISTING MULTIFAMILY. 
          UH, SO THIS IS THE NEW PLAN THAT WE HAVE, AND IT'S, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE OLD PLAN. 
          UH, SOME OF THE REFINEMENTS. 
          I THINK THE BIGGEST REFINEMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE ARE, UH, AND BASED ON COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED WERE IN REGARDS TO THE OPEN SPACES. 
          SO, UH, THE OPEN SPACES HAVE INCREASED AND THERE'S ALSO, UH, ALL THE BLUE, UH, WATER FEATURES THAT YOU SEE THERE ARE FOR, UH, STORM WATER RETENTION. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE TO MAKE THOSE NOT ONLY FOR STORMWATER FOR TENSION, BUT FOR AMENITIES AS WELL. 
          UH, I THINK ANOTHER COMMENT THAT, UH, WE DID RESPOND TO WAS TO REDUCE THE DENSITY 
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BY ONE UNIT PER ACRE IN THE, UH, SOUTHERN PART WHERE THE MULTIFAMILY IS, UH, IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER. 
          JUST TO RECAP, YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL ZONE. 
          THE THREE ORANGE BUILDINGS ARE RETAIL. 
          THE BLUE BUILDINGS ARE, UH, RETAIL SLASH RESTAURANT. 
          IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, UH, THERE'S A MIXTURE OF TOWNHOUSES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, CLUSTER HOMES, AND DUPLEXES. 
          AND THEN TO THE SOUTH ARE, UH, ENVISIONED TO BE THREE STORY, UH, MULTIFAMILY UNITS. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO A, A CLUBHOUSE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER, YOU CAN SEE KINDA WHERE THE POOL IS. 
          AND IT, UH, BORDERS ON THAT, UH, WATER FEATURE. 
          UH, AGAIN, THIS, THIS HASN'T REALLY CHANGED, BUT THIS JUST SHOWS THE HIERARCHY OF, UH, ROADS AND AVENUES AND THE POTENTIAL, UH, CONNECTIONS ACROSS TUNNEL PARKWAY. 
          UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WHAT'S ENVISIONED FOR THE AREA IN TERMS OF THE MASTER PLAN. 
          UH, AND AT THIS POINT I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DREW, UH, FROM EDGE AND HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, SOME REFINEMENTS THAT WE MADE TO THE OPEN AREA PLANS. 
          THANKS, GARY. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS DREW RUSSELL. 
          I'M IN THE LANDSCAPE ARCHETYPE WITH EDGE THREE 30 WEST SPRING STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. 
          I'LL BE BRIEF AS I TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE, WE'VE MADE TO OUR CONCEPT PLAN BASED ON THE OPEN SPACE HERE. 
          I KNOW THAT MR. WILL IS GONNA BE GOING THROUGH QUITE A FEW OF THESE AS WELL, UM, WHEN HE SPEAKS. 
          SO SINCE THE LAST CONCEPT PLAN SUBMISSION IN APRIL, WE SPENT TIME FURTHER DEFINING THE OPEN SPACE AREAS IN AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE A CONCEPT PLAN THAT RESPONDS TO THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED AT THAT TIME AND BRINGS OUR PLAN CLOSER IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          UM, THE EXHIBITS PROVIDED IN THE SUBMISSION WERE INCLUDED TO COMMUNICATE THE OVERALL OPEN SPACE CONCEPT AND PROVIDE KIND OF THAT STEP-BY-STEP PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH TO GET TO THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK PLAN. 
          THAT THAT IS PART OF THE SUBMISSION AS WELL. 
          UM, THIS INCLUDED ESTABLISHING AN OPEN SPACE THEME AND SOME OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES WE INTEND TO USE ALONG THE WAY. 
          UM, TAKING A STEP BACK AND LOOKING AT THE EXISTING OPEN SPACE FEATURES AND DESTINATIONS ADJACENT TO OUR SITE SO WE CAN ACTIVATE OUR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE AREAS APPROPRIATELY. 
          ESTABLISHING A PATH AND CONNECTIVITY P PLAN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN AND WILL ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO GET TO THESE DESTINATIONS AND TIE INTO THE LARGER TRAIL SYSTEM. 
          AND LASTLY, WE'VE PROVIDED A SERIES OF ENLARGEMENT PLANS TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILS ON SOME OF THE SPECIFIC OPEN SPACE AREAS SHOWN ON THE PLAN. 
          UM, IN RESPONSE TO THE ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, WE, WE STARTED BY DEVELOPING AN OPEN SPACE THEME. 
          UM, WHAT, WHAT WE WANTED TO BASE OUR ENTIRE CONCEPT AROUND, AND THAT THEME WAS TO INTEGRATE OUR OPEN SPACE SYSTEM INTO THE LARGER NETWORK. 
          YOU CAN DO THAT IN MANY WAYS. 
          YOU CAN DO THAT PHYSICALLY THROUGH OPEN, UH, THROUGH PATHWAYS AND TRAIL CONNECTIVITY. 
          YOU CAN DO IT BY LOCATING OPEN SPACE AREAS ON OUR SITE, CLOSE TO ADJACENT OPEN SPACE AREAS ON SURROUNDING SITES. 
          AND YOU CAN DO THAT AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE IMAGERY THAT WE'VE PROVIDED THROUGH PROVIDING AN AESTHETIC AND KIND OF THE TRADITIONAL DUBLIN CHARACTER THAT YOU SEE ELSEWHERE AROUND THE OPEN SPACE AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, IN AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE APPROPRIATE OPEN SPACE DESTINATIONS AND BETTER ALIGNED WITH THE GREATER COMMUNITY. 
          WE, WE ZOOMED OUT A BIT, UM, AND FIRST TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT ALREADY EXISTS IN OTHER AREAS CLOSE BY. 
          SO WE HAVE TWO LARGE PARKS, DELMORE AND TED COLTON BACK PARKS, BOTH WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE THERE, YOU SEE IT ON THE MAP, ONE'S KIND OF TO THE NORTH THERE. 
          AND TED COLTON BACK PARK IS, UH, TO THE EAST, UM, EACH WITH THEIR OWN AMENITIES. 
          SO USING THIS INFORMATION, WE LOOKED TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY MISSING PIECES THERE THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO LOCATE WITHIN OUR OPEN SPACE AREAS. 
          AND THAT HELPED US DEFINE THE SEVEN UNIQUE PARK SPACES THAT WE HAVE ON OUR SITE. 
          IN ADDITION, WE'VE ALSO STARTED TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL AREAS FOR PUBLIC ART. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE ON THERE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES SHOWN IN RED. 
          AN OPEN SPACE LINKAGES PLAN WAS ALSO PROVIDED TO DEFINE A HIERARCHY OF PATHWAY SYSTEMS CONSISTENT WITH THE ENVISIONED DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN, AND SHOW HOW PEDESTRIANS WILL BE ABLE TO GET TO THE VARIOUS DESTINATIONS WITHIN OUR SITE AND CONNECT TO THE LARGER REGIONAL NETWORK. 
          OUR GOAL HERE IS TO CREATE A, A WALKABLE COMMUNITY. 
          THE COMMUTER ROUTE SHOWN IN THE DEEP RED COLOR ALONG TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD IS INTENDED MORE FOR REGIONAL MOVEMENT ADJACENT TO THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES, AND IT ALSO EXTENDS UP ALONG AVERY ROAD. 
          A CONNECTOR ROUTE PROVIDES A CONVENIENT 
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NORTH SOUTH CONNECTION THROUGH THE SITE NORTH, NORTH AND SOUTH THERE KIND OF THROUGH THE MID MIDPOINT OF THE SITE. 
          AND, UH, A NETWORK OF LOCAL ROUTE PATHS ALSO ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO GET TO ALL OF THE INTERNAL PARK AND OPEN SPACE AREAS. 
          WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED A SERIES OF ENLARGEMENTS TO GIVE FURTHER DETAIL ON SOME OF THE INDIVIDUAL OPEN SPACE AREAS. 
          THE FIRST SHOWS A TYPICAL SECTION CONCEPTUAL SECTION OF WHAT TUTTER CROSSING BOULEVARD GREENWAY MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, WE'RE INTENDING THAT THIS WOULD BE A VARIABLE WITH PLANTED MEDIAN AND INCLUDES A LOT OF THAT NATURALIZED GRASSES, PLENTY OF TREE CANOPY MEANDERING PATHS FOR THE LOCAL TRAILS, A STRAIGHT COMMUTER ROUTE. 
          ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE'VE INCLUDED AN ENLARGEMENT OF THE CENTRAL PARK AREA, SHOWING GATHERING SPACES, A PLAYGROUND, A LARGE LAWN, AND A POND WITH ENHANCED EDGE TREAT EDGE TREATMENTS. 
          THE CORNER OF RINGS AND, AND AVERY ROAD PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY BRANDING AND GATHERING AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AND ADJACENT PATHWAYS. 
          WE SEE THIS PARK AS A POTENTIAL LOCATION FOR A BIKE HUB AND GATEWAY INTO THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE SITE. 
          AND LASTLY, THE CORNER OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD AND AVERY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OPEN SPACE ACTIVATION GIVEN THE PROPOSED PATH TUNNEL UNDER AVERY ROAD AND THE LARGE POND ADJACENT TO THE COMMERCIAL USE AREAS. 
          THIS COULD PROVIDE WATERFRONT DINING OPPORTUNITIES ON THE UPPER POND SIDE AND A UNIQUE POCKET PARK CREATED BY THE PATHWAY MIRRORING BACK UP TO THIS STREET ELEVATION. 
          AND WE'VE INCLUDED IMAGERY SUPPORTING THAT, SHOWING SOME OF THE CHARACTER THAT WE PLAN TO, TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE YOU, ARE YOU FINISHED? THERE'S JUST A FEW MORE SLIDES. 
          SO, UH, SO THIS IS THE, UH, UH, SORT OF, UH, LOOK AND FEEL OF THE, UH, UH, BUILDINGS THAT WE WERE THINKING OF FOR SOME, SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, UH, A VERNACULAR, UH, TO BE CONTEXTUAL KIND OF WITH WHAT'S HERE IN DUBLIN AND CENTRAL OHIO. 
          SO THESE ARE THE IMAGES THAT WE HAD LAST TIME. 
          I THINK WE DID HAVE, UH, UH, A COUPLE MORE CONTEMPORARY IMAGES THAT WE, THAT WE TOOK OUT, UH, BASED ON THE, UH, PANEL'S, UH, FEEDBACK. 
          AND SO THIS IS SORT OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, UH, FOR LOOK AND FEEL. 
          THE BUILDINGS, UH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE DIFFERENT, UH, RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT TYPES. 
          UH, AGAIN, JUST A GENERIC SORT OF SPIRIT OF PLACE, SORT OF WHAT, WHAT THEY MIGHT FEEL LIKE. 
          UH, AGAIN, SOME, SOME MORE OF THE TOWNHOUSES AND SOME OF THE, UH, THE, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WERE, ARE ENVISIONED TO BE ONE STORY. 
          AND, UH, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE SOME EXAMPLES THERE. 
          AND, UH, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. WILL THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, LIKE THE LAST CASE, THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW, SO NO DETERMINATION IS MADE. 
          UM, IF THE PROJECT PROCEEDS FUTURE REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY BOTH THE COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE REQUIRED. 
          UM, THE 127 ACRE SITE OUTLINED IN YELLOW IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF AVERY AND RINGS ROAD AND IS ZONED RULE. 
          THE SITE CONTAINS THE EXISTING 170 LOT PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME ESTATES. 
          UM, SEVERAL TREE ROWS, UH, LARGE PRESERVED WOODLOT TO THE SOUTHWEST, UM, IN AVONDALE WOODS. 
          UM, AND THE SOUTH, OR THE SITE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS SURROUNDED BY EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE NORTH, INCLUDING BALANCE TRAY AND KRAMER'S CROSSING. 
          UM, AND THE AREAS TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE CITY ARE WITHIN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS AND INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, APARTMENTS, AND SOME COMMERCIAL USES. 
          UM, THE SITE IS NOT PRESENTLY SERVED BY WATER OR SANITARY SEWER. 
          UTILITIES ARE DESIGNED TO BE EXTENDED WITH THE EXTENSION OF TU CROSSING BOULEVARD, WHICH IS PRESENTLY NOT HERE, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED. 
          UM, THEY HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, MOST RECENTLY IN APRIL OF 2025. 
          UM, THE COMMISSION WAS GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHANGES THAT THEY'D MADE SINCE THE 2023 PROPOSAL, UM, BUT RECOMMENDED THEY FURTHER REFINE RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES AND TRANSITIONS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL TYPES, IMPROVE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND PROPO PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, MAKE STORMWATER OR MAKE SURE THAT STORMWATER AREAS ARE MORE USABLE AND BETTER CONNECTED AS AMENITIES AND OPEN SPACES. 
          UM, AND THAT THAT CONTINUE OR THE COMMISSION HIGHLIGHTED THE NECESSITY 
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OF TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS IN THE SOUTHWEST AREA IF FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS TO OCCUR. 
          AND THEN THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA. 
          UH, SINCE THE APRIL, 2025 COMMISSION MEETING, THE APPLICANT HAS HOSTED A VIRTUAL MEETING, UM, WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UM, AND PROPERTIES AS WELL AS THEIR RESIDENTS AT PONDEROSA. 
          UM, THERE HAVE BEEN PUBLIC COMMENTS SUBMITTED FOR THIS CASE, WHICH WERE PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION AHEAD OF THE MEETING. 
          UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, IS THE DOCUMENT THE CITY LOOKS TOWARDS WHEN CONSIDERING REZONING. 
          THE SITE, AS I MENTIONED, IS ZOO ZONED RURAL. 
          PRESENTLY THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UM, MORE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE TWO FUTURE LAND USES RECOMMENDED ARE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG AVERY ROAD WITH RESIDENTIAL MIXED DENSITY, UM, RECOMMENDED FOR THE BALANCE OF THE SITE. 
          SIMILAR TO THE LAST CASE, THIS MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD IS MEANT TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES LOCATED NEAR EXISTING AND FUTURE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UM, WITH PRINCIPAL USES BEING MORE COMMERCIAL AND SUPPORTING USES BEING RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, I THINK TO ADD UPON, UM, WHAT ZACH MENTIONED FOR THIS AS SUPPORTING VERSUS PRINCIPAL IS NOT ONLY FROM A USE STANDPOINT, BUT THE COMMUNITY PLAN MAKES RECOMMENDATION ON CHARACTER OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THIS MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE USED TO HELP CREATE MORE OF THAT VILLAGE OR WALKABLE SENSE OF PLACE. 
          SO WHETHER ONE OR TWO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT, IF YOU ADD RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WITH THAT TO HELP CREATE ENCLOSURE OR A VILLAGE FEEL, UM, OR SOMETHING WALKABLE, THAT THAT'S HOW THEY CAN BE ALSO BE CONSIDERED SUPPORTING. 
          AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL MIXED DENSITY AGAIN IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL PRODUCTS BETWEEN THREE AND 12 DWELLING PER ACRE, MORE RESIDENTIAL AND SCALED ONE TO THREE STORIES. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE FUTURE LAND USE, THIS AREA IS WITHIN THE SOUTHWEST SPECIAL AREA PLAN. 
          UM, AS MENTIONED, UM, WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE, THERE IS A PROPO OR A RECOMMENDED, UH, MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD NODE ALONG AVERY, UM, ORGANIZING BUILDINGS TO KIND OF CREATE THAT SENSE OF, UM, PLACE THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES THREE TO 12 THAT ARE PROPOSED OR RECOMMENDED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE. 
          THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN HELPS CONVEY THAT IT'S NOT ALL INTENDED TO BE 12 AND THAT YOU SHOULD TRANSITION FROM LOWER INTEN OR LOWER DENSITY AREAS SPECIFICALLY TO THE NORTH, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG RINGS ROAD AND THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, PROPERTIES ON RINGS TO MORE INTENSE AS YOU MOVE, UH, SOUTH INTO THE SOUTHEAST WHERE THE CITY OF COLUMBUS HAS ALREADY BUILT, UM, MORE INTENSE RESIDENTIAL PRODUCTS. 
          UM, THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN ALSO HIGHLIGHTS THE EXISTING NATURAL FEATURES OF THE SITE AND HOW TO THINK ABOUT INCORPORATING THOSE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          OTHER PLACES IN DUBLIN, YOU WILL SEE, UM, INCORPORATE THOSE INTO TRUE ROWS IN THE BACKYARDS OR IN FRONT YARDS OR INTO PARK FEATURES OR INTO THE PUBLIC REALM. 
          AND THEN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN ALSO MENTIONS THE, UM, PRESERVED OPEN SPACE IN AANS WOODS. 
          IT'S A LARGE WOOD WOODLOT THAT THAT COULD BECOME KIND OF A BACKDROP FOR OPEN SPACE OR PARK SPACE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, THE EXTENSION OF TOTAL CROSSING, WHICH IS INTENDED TO BE SIMILAR LIKE MUIRFIELD PARKWAY, ONE OF OUR GREAT STREET SCAPES WITH A LOT OF GREEN IN THE ROADWAY. 
          UM, IN ENVISION DUBLIN. 
          THE MULTIMODAL PLAN, UH, THOROUGHFARE PLAN RATHER ALSO MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUTURE TRANSPORTATION, UM, IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED. 
          UH, TOTAL CROSSING BOULEVARD AS A CORRIDOR. 
          SIGNIFICANCE, AS I MENTIONED, UM, A WIDER RIGHT OF WAY TO ALLOW UNDULATING LANES MORE CHARACTER. 
          A VERY GREEN, UH, PARKWAY LIKE AESTHETIC RINGS ROAD IS INTENDED TO REMAIN A TWO-LANE COLLECTOR, A RURAL CHARACTER, UM, WITH FUTURE ROADS TOTAL CROSSING EXPANSION OF AVERY ROAD. 
          IT'S INTENDED THAT THOSE ROADS HANDLE MORE OF, UM, THE TRAFFIC AND THAT STREET CAN MAINTAIN ITS RURAL CHARACTER. 
          AVERY IS, UM, RECOMMENDED TO BE WIDENED TO FOUR LANES. 
          A RECENT ROUNDABOUT IMPROVEMENT WAS MADE AT RINGS AND AVERY. 
          UM, FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS MIGHT BE NEEDED THERE AS WELL AS A ROUNDABOUT WITH AVERY AND THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF TOTAL CROSSING BOULEVARD. 
          UM, THE CITY ALSO HAS PLANNED A BIKE TUNNEL UNDER AVERY AS PART OF THAT INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT GOING THROUGH, UH, THE PROPOSED SUB AREAS, 1, 2, 3, 4. 
          YOU'LL SEE IN THE APPLICANT'S DRAWING THAT THREE AND FOUR WERE SWITCHED. 
          UM, AND A FEW OF THEIR DRAWINGS. 
          SO WE JUST PICKED ONE OF THEM THAT THEY CALLED FOUR AND ONE OF 'EM THAT THEY CALLED THREE. 
          SO FOUR IS THE, UH, MULTIFAMILY ONE IN THE SOUTH. 
          THREE IS THE MIXED USE NODE. 
          UM, SUB AREA ONE CONTAINS 53 ACRES 
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OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, TWO CONTAINS, UM, THE EXISTING PONDEROSA THREE AS I MENTIONED, THE MIXED USE AND FOUR, THE MULTIFAMILY. 
          UM, SO AND SUB AREA ONE, UM, IS THE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          THEY HAVE MODIFIED THE STREET AND OPEN SPACE NETWORK, UM, SLIGHTLY TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL STORMWATER PONDS. 
          THE LESS AREA IS SHOWN AS RESIDENTIAL AND MORE AS OPEN SPACE THERE. 
          UM, DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE REMAIN THE SAME IN THEIR PROPOSAL. 
          UM, SHOWN HERE AS THE APPLICANT SHOWED ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL, UM, CHARACTER IMAGES. 
          UM, THIS ALSO HIGHLIGHTS, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES WHICH ARE APPLICABLE TO SUB SUB AREA ONE, SO SINGLE FAMILY, UM, RESIDENTIAL, BOTH DETACH AND ATTACH. 
          THIS APPLIES TO THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES IS TO FOSTER CHARACTER AND SENSE OF PLACE IN FUTURE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND MAKE SURE THAT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE AND OPEN SPACE ARE THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED. 
          SUB AREA TWO IS THE EXISTING PONDEROSA NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY ARE NOT, OR THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGE OR, UM, MAJOR CHANGES WITH THIS, UH, APPLICATION SUB AREA THREE IS THE MIXED JUICE AREA, OOPS, SORRY, NEIGHBORHOOD AREA. 
          UM, SIMILAR TO THE LAST UH, PROPOSAL, SOME ADDITIONAL AREA IS SHOWN FOR STORM WATER, UM, WHICH SEEMS TO MOVE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND OPEN SPACE AREAS AROUND. 
          UM, THIS, UM, SUB AREA IS CONSISTENT KIND OF WITH A MIXED USE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD RECOMMENDED BY THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN AND CREATING A CHARACTER OF IN WALKABLE AREA, UM, SUB AREA FOUR. 
          UH, FOR THE MULTIFAMILY, THE APPLICANT HAS DECREASED THE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, SORRY, ZC SHOULD BE AC FROM 13 TO 12 UNITS. 
          THAT 12 IS THE MAXIMUM RECOMMENDED BY THE FUTURE OF LAND USE. 
          UM, THEY'VE ALSO UPDATED SOME OF THE STORMWATER PONDS AND CLUBHOUSE NEAR AVERY ROAD. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT AS THEY MENTIONED, HAVE MADE CHANGES TO THE OPEN SPACE. 
          THEY HAVE, UM, INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE. 
          HOWEVER, A NUMBER OF THIS OPEN SPACE HAS INCLUDED AN INCREASE IN STORMWATER PONDS, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE JUST OR THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING TO MAKE SURE THAT STORM WATER IS BEING, UM, USED PROPERLY IN PONDS OR THAT AREAS, UM, ARE MORE THOUGHTFULLY AMENITIZED IF WE INCLUDE PONDS IN THOSE OPEN SPACES. 
          UH, A FEW CHANGES TO THE STREET NETWORK, BUT STILL PROVIDING A, UM, FOR THE EXTENSION OF TOTAL CROSSING AND ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD BOULEVARDS AND LOCAL STREETS. 
          UM, THEY HAVE ADDED THE BIKE TUNNEL, UM, AT THE ROUNDABOUT OR FUTURE ROUNDABOUT OF AVERY ROAD AND RINGS ROAD. 
          UM, SO DISCUSSIONS ARE FRAMED FOR THE COMMISSION TO FACILITATE NON-BINDING FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT BASED ON THE COMMISSION'S PRIOR FEEDBACK IN APRIL. 
          UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. WILL, UH, OPEN UP TO THE COMMISSION NOW FOR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND STAFF. 
          GARY, WHY DON'T YOU START US OFF? UM, JUST A COUPLE. 
          UM, CHRIS IS IS ACCURATE THAT AS A PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THEY WILL ACTUALLY BUILD THE TELL ROAD EXTENSION TO THE END OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT. 
          UM, AT THIS STAGE WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AT THE PDP AND REZONING. 
          THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY THAT WOULD DETERMINE WHICH IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED. 
          UM, AS THIS IS IN THE SOUTHWEST AREA, IT'S NOT SERVED YET BY UTILITIES AND WE EXPECT UTILITIES TO BE EXTENDED WITH THE STREET. 
          UM, THAT IS TYPICAL IN DUBLIN. 
          THE TIS THOUGH WILL IDENTIFY WHAT IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEED TO BE MADE ONSITE. 
          THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT REALLY, BUT OFFSITE AS WELL, AND THAT WILL IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE ARE AT THAT STAGE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          YOU ANSWERED MY SECOND QUESTION WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY COMING. 
          OKAY, THANK, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, IS THERE GONNA BE THE MIXED USE, THE WAY YOU'VE YOU'VE INTERPRETED IT IS, IS SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS WITHOUT ANY INTEGRATION WITHIN THE BUILDINGS OF TWO DIFFERENT USES. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DID, DID YOU EVER CONSIDER ANY RESIDENTIAL SMALLER UNITS ABOVE THE COMMERCIAL? UM, NOT AT, NOT AT THAT SCALE. 
          AND I THINK IN THE PRESENTATION IT WAS THE, THE ORANGE BUILDINGS THAT ARE TO THE WEST AND THAT MIXED USE ARE THE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN THE BLUE ARE THE COMMERCIAL. 
          UM, AT, AT THAT SCALE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING, UM, TO, TO INCORPORATE RESIDENTIAL ONTO A A SECOND STORY, 
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UH, ON THAT FOOTPRINT OF COMMERCIAL. 
          UM, WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED IT, NOT TO SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T LOOK AT IT, BUT SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T, UH, ROLLED UP OUR SLEEVES ON. 
          THOSE ARE THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS JUST ABOUT, UM, MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, THERE WAS A A, A ZOOM CALL OR SOMETHING. 
          ARE YOU PLANNING ON DOING THAT AGAIN OR WOULD THERE BE IN PERSON AND WAS THE CITY INVITED AS WELL? UM, I, FOR OUR ZOOM CALL, WE MET WITH THE, UM, DESIGNATED HOA REPRESENTATIVES. 
          UM, I THINK IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT STAGE, WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE MORE OF AN OPEN HOUSE FORUM IN A LARGER SETTING WHERE EVERYBODY COULD COME. 
          UM, THE CITY, I DON'T RE, I DON'T THINK THE CITY WAS INVITED TO THE, THE ZOOM MEETING, UM, BUT I, WE TRIED TO HIT ALL OF THE, THE HOAS THAT THE PROPERTY TOUCHES, UM, AND HAD A, HAD A DECENT TURNOUT FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THEN IN THE FUTURE, UH, BRINGING ALL PARTIES TOGETHER, IS THAT YOUR PLAN MOVING FORWARD? YEAH, I THINK IT, UM, IT'S, IT'S A BIT OF A COORDINATION EFFORT WITH THE AMOUNT OF COMMUNITIES AROUND THERE, BUT, UM, I THINK WE, WE, WE DID THAT FOR THE FIRST CONCEPT PLAN AT, UH, OPEN HOUSE AND I THINK WE DO THAT AGAIN AT, AT THE NEXT STEP. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, OKAY, SO I'M THINKING OF PONDEROSA AND THANK YOU FOR INTEGRATING IT AND HAVING IT THERE. 
          UM, UH, WE ALL SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT. 
          UM, ONCE, UM, SO THINKING ABOUT THEM, DOES THAT OPEN UP FOR SOME CHANGES FOR THEM? MEANING, UM, UH, A DIFFERENT ENTRANCE OR, UM, UH, SIDEWALKS? UM, I WAS ALSO, UH, NOTICING, UM, LIKE THEIR TRASH DUMPSTER, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS THAT ARE HERE. 
          DOES THIS MOVE THEM? I GUESS IT ALSO, I HAVE THAT QUESTION FOR YOU AND THEN I HAVE THE CITY QUESTION IS, DOES THIS CHANGE THINGS FOR THEM? DOES THIS BECOME MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD? BUT THAT'S, YEAH. 
          WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT NEW CHANGES IN, IN THAT AREA? YEAH, AND I, I THINK OUR INTENT WOULD BE TO, TO HAVE THEM INCORPORATED BUT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME RESPECT THAT THEY, THEY'VE BEEN THERE AND HAVE BEEN A COMMUNITY ON THEIR OWN FOR A WHILE. 
          SO, UH, TO KIND OF HAVE THEM INCORPORATED INTO THE PLANT, BUT SINCE SENSITIVELY, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE WAYS OF SCREENING THEM SO THAT THEY CAN STILL MAINTAIN THEIR IDENTITY, UH, THAT THEY HAVE BEEN IN THAT SETTING FOR, FOR SOME TIME. 
          UM, FROM AN IMPROVEMENT STANDPOINT, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WOULD BE THE, THE EXTENSION OF PUBLIC UTILITIES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT, THAT AREN'T THERE NOW. 
          UM, SO THERE'S SOME PRIVATE UTILITY, UM, PLANTS THAT ARE OPERATING FOR THE PONDEROSA FACILITY THAT, UH, THAT OPPORTUNITY CERTAINLY WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BIGGEST ONE THAT WOULD COME ALONG WITH THIS CHANGE. 
          WITH THIS PROJECT, DO YOU, UM, IS IT, IS THERE ROAD, UM, WOULD THAT BE PROVIDED BY YOU ALL OR IS THAT FROM THE CITY? THE CURRENT ROADS? YEAH, THERE, THERE, EVERYTHING THAT'S SHOWN THERE IS EXISTING. 
          THERE'S JUST THE ONE CONNECTION FROM THE WEST OKAY. 
          THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING AS PART OF THE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE SOME TREES THAT ARE ON, SEEMS TO BE THAT, THAT AREA. 
          WOULD THEY STAY OR, UM, YEAH, SIMILAR TO THE LAST CASE, I THINK WE, WE WOULD DO A TREE SURVEY AND, AND IDENTIFY WHAT, UM, IS WORTH SAVING AND WHAT WE COULD INCORPORATE INTO THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN. 
          JUST A CITY QUESTION ON THAT TOO. 
          WOULD THEY EXPECT ANY CHANGES, UM, TAKING OVER PONDEROSA THAT HAVEN'T BEEN? UH, UH, I KNOW IT'S LIKE THE, THE DUMPSTER ISN'T, YOU KNOW, COVERED AND SO FORTH. 
          IT'S JUST OPEN. 
          I MEAN, THE APP OR THE CITY WOULDN'T BE TAKING OVER PONDEROSA, IT'S A PRIVATELY OWNED NOW AND THE STREETS ARE PRIVATELY OWNED. 
          IT'S NOT BEEN DISCUSSED IF THOSE STREETS WOULD CHANGE FROM PRIVATE TO PUBLIC, UM, AT THIS POINT. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA THAT SEEMS LIKE, UM, CINDER BLOCK AND SO FORTH, WOULD THOSE BE REMOVED OR WERE THOSE USED FOR ANY PURPOSE AT ONE POINT? UM, SO ONE, ONE IS THE WATER PLANT, ANOTHER ONE IS THE SEWAGE PLANT. 
          OH. 
          SO THOSE HAVE TO REMAIN OPERATIONAL UNTIL THE POINT THEY WOULD BE SWITCHED OVER TO A, A PUBLIC, UM, UTILITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FROM, THERE MIGHT BE A THIRD ONE THAT MIGHT BE USED AS, AS STORAGE RELIEF. 
          I THINK THERE'S A POST OFFICE THERE TOO. 
          YEAH, YOU SAID THAT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE TOO IS THE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED QUITE A BIT. 
          THERE WAS 719 I WAS READING AND THEN, UH, 8 0 7, UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          WHAT IS THE NUMBER TODAY FOR, FOR TOTAL UNITS? YEAH. 
          UH, I WAS JUST ASKING DREW, I DON'T KNOW IF HE . 
          SO BASED ON THE, ON THE DENSITIES FOR THREE, SO SIX 
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AREA, SO ABOUT 600 PLUS SUB AREA THREE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE PROBABLY, UH, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 600 AND AND SIX 60. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          300. 
          YEAH. 
          300, 360. 
          YEP. 
          SO THIS IS THE LOWEST NUMBER YOU'VE HAD SINCE THE PROPOSALS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD? THAT CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY, CAN I FOLLOW UP TO THAT? WHAT, WHAT WAS THE PRE PRIOR PROPOSAL? HOW MUCH DID YOU REDUCE IT? UM, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          I HAVE 8 0 7, THAT WAS THE LAST ONE. 
          AND REALLY THE SEVEN 19 WAS THE, THE UNIT COUNT. 
          AND I, AND I, I THINK WE'VE MENTIONED THIS IN THE, ESPECIALLY IN THE LARGER SUB AREA, UM, THE, THE INTENT WAS TO SHOW A A A MAX DENSITY THERE. 
          UM, WE ARE SHOWING DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING TYPES THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THIS AS A, A FINAL LAYOUT PER SE. 
          SO, UH, WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO ESTABLISH A DENSITY CEILING THAT COULD BE ESTABLISHED FOR THAT DISTRICT SO THAT WHEN WE CAME BACK FOR THE NEXT STEP, WE COULD FURTHER FINALIZE KIND OF WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT STANDARD WOULD BE. 
          AND FOR US, THE, THE UNIT COUNT HAS BEEN MORE A FUNCTION OF, UH, TWO THINGS ALONG THE PROCESS. 
          ONE WAS GETTING THE ALIGNMENT OF TELE CROSSING BOULEVARD EXTENSION SET, AND THEN THE SECOND BIG THING WAS THE STORM WATER. 
          IT'S EXTREMELY FLAT SITE STORM WATER IS CHALLENGING TO ACCOMMODATE. 
          UM, AND IT, AS WE HAVE ROLLED UP OUR SLEEVES ON THAT EFFORT, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S STARTING TO EAT UP MORE AND MORE SPACE, WHICH IS REQUIRED. 
          UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF BEEN MORE OF A FUNCTION OF THE SHIFTING OF THE, OF THE UNIT COUNT, UM, AS WE'VE PROGRESSED THROUGH THE STUDIES AND A GOOD THING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, I THINK MY LAST QUESTION IS, UM, HOW CLOSE, UH, ARE, HOW SENSITIVE ARE YOU ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE NEAR THE SINGLE FAMILY PLACES? UM, WHAT KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES ARE YOU SEPARATING OR, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THAT, THAT I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN OUR OPINION AND AS VIBRANCY, WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF MIXED USE UNFILL PROJECTS WHERE YOU'VE GOT HIGHER DENSITY AGAINST SINGLE FAMILY AND YOU'VE GOT INTRODUCED COMMERCIAL AND, UH, IT, IT ADDS, UH, THE CHARACTER TO, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT ADDS THE WALKABILITY THAT I THINK IS DESIRED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WORK TO WORK THE DENSITY FROM, FROM LOWER, UH, RINGS ROAD TO, TO HIGHER TO THE SOUTH AND AND RESPECT KIND OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS ALL KIND OF THOUGHT OUT AS WE LAID OUT THAT, THAT LARGER SUB AREA, ONE WITH THE, WITH THE MIX OF RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, I GUESS ON THAT NOTE, UM, OFFICE SPACE TOO, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT HAS REDUCED A BIT. 
          IT, I THINK THE, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE, AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN ON, ON, ON WORKING ON THIS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER THOUGHT OF THAT SPACE AS, AS OFFICE SPACE. 
          IT'S PROBABLY MORE COMMERCIAL SPACE. 
          UM, IT'S PROBABLY MORE SIMILAR TO THE INLINE RETAIL AND, AND AND SERVICES, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES THAT, UM, YOU, THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN, IN THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL AS WELL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED IN THIS AREA, UH, FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES TO HAVE THOSE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITIES AND SERVICES. 
          I, I DON'T FORESEE THIS AS A LARGE OFFICE COMPONENT. 
          THAT'S NOT TO SAY THERE MIGHT NOT, THERE COULD BE A A, A SMALLER MEDICAL OFFICE COMPONENT THAT MADE SENSE THAT THAT SERVICES THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT CERTAINLY NOT A, A CORPORATE OFFICE SETTING. 
          LASTLY, THE PONDS TOO. 
          UM, IT, CAN SOMEONE GO FISHING OR IS THERE OTHER AMENITIES? IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF THEM NOW THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED THAT YOU'VE INCORPORATED INTO IT. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE'D, WE'D WANNA, AND, AND I THINK WE'D WANNA WORK WITH STAFF ABOUT WHAT, WHAT'S THE RIGHT KIND OF BALANCE THERE OF HAVING THE, THE, THE PROGRAMMED AMENITY ON, ON THE, ON THE BASINS TO HAVE THEM INCORPORATED INTO OUR OPEN SPACE. 
          BUT, UM, NOT TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO DETRACT FROM THAT BY KIND OF STUFFING TOO MUCH INTO 'EM AS WELL. 
          SO I CERTAINLY, I THINK THAT'S ALL ON THE TABLE. 
          UM, AND AS WE, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE KIND OF PROGRESSED OUR THOUGHTS AND OUR PROGRAMMING ON THOSE, BUT, UM, BY NO MEANS ARE THEY, ARE THEY FINAL? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          CAN WE PLEASE GET A NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE MOST RECENT SPEAKER? OH, SORRY, . 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COLBY TURNOCK, CASTO TWO 50 CIVIC CENTER DRIVE, COLUMBUS, OHIO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY MR. CHINOOK, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE. 
          SO THE, THE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT DELINEATION. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN UNITS AND A SIGNIFICANT ADD IN GREEN SPACE. 
          SO I DON'T WANT TO, DON'T WANNA JUST GLOSS IT OVER 'CAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY BIG CHANGE TO THIS PLAN, WHICH IS I THINK A POSITIVE. 
          SORRY, WE'RE NOT DELINEATION. 
          THIS IS A QUESTION. 
          UM, CAN WE, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN CALL UP THE SLIDE, BUT CAN YOU JUST, JUST TO SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, CAN WE RUN THROUGH THE BUILDING HEIGHTS AGAIN JUST BRIEFLY, IF YOU DON'T MIND? SURE. 
          AND AND 
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I BELIEVE THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED SINCE LAST TIME, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO YEAH, CAN YOU JUST GO THROUGH 'EM BRIEFLY? DO YOU MIND? YEAH. 
          SO IF WE WORK OUR WAY NORTH TO SOUTH, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE JUST YOUR STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A 35 FOOT HEIGHT DISTRICT OR, OR WHAT ESTABLISHES THAT HEIGHT. 
          UM, THE, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW ARE SHOWN AS, AS ONE STORY. 
          I THINK SOME OF THE INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES IS MORE OF A ARCHITECTURAL EFFECT, UH, TO HAVE A ONE AND A HALF OR TWO STORY LOOK TO THEM. 
          UM, BUT THEY WOULD BE ONE STORY AND FUNCTION. 
          UH, THE RESIDENTIAL BEHIND THOSE WOULD BE TWO STORY. 
          AND THEN THE, THE MIX OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS, UH, IN THE LARGER SUB AREA. 
          ONE, UH, THE DUPLEX TRIPLEX, UM, TOWN HOMES, THOSE, UM, I THINK WE ARE SHOWING AS TWO OR THREE STORY. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE, UM, A, A PREFERENCE ON THAT. 
          SOME OF THAT COULD ULTIMATELY BE. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING OF THE THREE STORY PRODUCT THAT, UH, PULTE IS BUILDING AND, AND BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT THAT THE TOWN HOME PRODUCTS. 
          SO SOME OF THAT PRODUCT IS SUITABLE TO THREE, SOME OF IT'S BETTER AT TWO, THAT THE, THE TRIPLEX THAT WE'RE SHOWING IS ACTUALLY A TWO STORY PRODUCT, UM, THAT ALMOST HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A RANCH FEEL THAT, UH, THE ARCHITECTS HAVE DONE IN ANOTHER LOCATION. 
          SO IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF A MIX IN THAT AREA. 
          AND THEN TO THE SOUTH, THE, THE, UH, MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT WOULD BE THREE STORY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN ONE FINAL QUESTION. 
          I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET INTO THE DETAILS, BUT WE INEVITABLY ALWAYS DO THE MAIN FUR THOROUGHFARE, I GUESS CALLED A BOULEVARD. 
          IT SEEMED IT'S MOVED TO BE, YOU GOT LIKE A GREEN MEDIAN IN THERE NOW. 
          UM, AND THE PRIOR, PRIOR PLAN, WHICH, WHICH AGAIN IS I THINK IS A POSITIVE. 
          THE PRIOR PLAN HAD A LOT OF, UH, LAND LIKE TREES, STREET SCAPE, UM, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT MORE TREES ALONG THERE. 
          AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU'RE ADDING A TON OF GREEN SPACE, BUT I'M JUST ASKING LIKE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S STILL SIMILAR, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE A, THE STREETSCAPE, BUT THAT'S CORRECT. 
          I, I THINK THIS RENDERED SITE PLAN JUST DIDN'T PICK UP ALL, ALL OF THE LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS ON IT. 
          UM, BUT YOU CAN START TO SEE THAT IN THE, IN THE CROSS SECTION OF THE TUNNEL CROSSING EXTENSION. 
          YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THAT GREEN SPACE, AS DREW MENTIONED, WE KIND OF ENVISION THAT BEING PROGRAMMED. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, CHRIS, COULD YOU PULL UP THE, IT'S LABELED, UM, SITE ANALYSIS. 
          I THINK I READ SOMEWHERE  THAT ONE. 
          YES. 
          UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS IN, IN THIS, THIS, THIS ANALYSIS, UM, IT, YOU HAVE A G AND AN L KIND OF A, IT LOOKS LIKE A TREE LINE, UM, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE REFLECTED IN THE NEW PLAN. 
          I JUST WONDERED, YOU'VE HIGHLIGHTED IT ON THE ANALYSIS, BUT YOU HAVEN'T REFLECTED IT IN THE PLAN. 
          I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO STUDY AND IT'S, WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT BEFORE, BUT HOW, HOW DO WE PROVIDE PONDEROSA THE APPROPRIATE KIND OF SEPARATION? UM, BUT ALSO INCLUDE THEM KIND OF IN, IN THE PROGRAMMING IN THE NETWORK. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A, A LITTLE BIT OF A, TO BE DETERMINED OKAY. 
          AND WORKING WITH THOSE RESIDENTS AND, AND, AND YOU GUYS AND STAFF TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT TREATMENT WOULD BE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND KIND OF BUILDING ON THAT, THE INTERESTING THING THAT TO ME THAT, THAT THAT PATTERN ESTABLISHES IS THERE'S THIS, UM, NORTH, SOUTH KIND OF GREEN WAY THAT IT STARTS A RHYTHM AND THEN YOU HAVE THE HEDGE ROW THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF F WHICH YOU HAVEN'T HIGHLIGHTED, BUT, AND IT ISN'T REFLECTED. 
          AND AGAIN, AGAIN, BACK TO THIS, THE COMMENT SOMEBODY MADE EARLIER ABOUT THE EXISTING TREES ON THE SITE MM-HMM . 
          UM, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU ANOTHER KIND OF NORTH SOUTH GREENWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT, IT ALSO, UM, I I I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING, I I THINK YOUR ANSWER TO MY QUESTION WAS WE'RE STUDYING IT STILL. 
          RIGHT? BUT YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THOSE ARE STILL CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO INTEGRATE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEP. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I THINK, OH, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IT ACTUALLY. 
          OH, OH NO, I WANT TO MAKE THE COMMENT ABOUT, UM, SO AGAIN, I, I APPRECIATE THE REDUCTION IN DENSITY AND I, I WANTED TO MAKE, UH, AND IT'S REALLY GREAT THAT YOU'VE ADDED THIS MORE OPEN SPACE IN AND, AND IT KIND OF DOVETAILS OFF OF THIS IDEA OF ARE THERE SOME OTHER NORTH SOUTH GREENWAYS THAT WE BE PART OF THAT PLAN, BUT, UM, THE EXIST, THE, THE, THE UNIT LAYOUT STILL WAS QUITE INTENSE. 
          AND SO HAD YOU THOUGHT ABOUT HOW YOU MIGHT, UM, KIND OF SOFTENED THAT INTENSITY 
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 WI WITHIN SUB AREA ONE? ARE YOU REFERENCING OR JUST A YEAH, HELP ME WITH NUM. 
          YES, THAT'S ONE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A BALANCE. 
          UM, I THINK PREVIOUSLY WE PROBABLY HAD NOT AS LARGE OF A CENTRAL GREEN AREA AND WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A POCKET KIND OF OPPORTUNITY RIGHT. 
          WHICH HELPED SPREAD THAT INTENSITY. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE KIND OF SHIFTED TO A LARGER COMMUNITY COMPONENT, IT KIND OF BROUGHT THAT. 
          SO YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S AREAS WE COULD PROBABLY LOOK AT AND MAYBE REINTRODUCING SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, KIND OF WHEN WE, WHEN WE WENT DOWN THAT PATH, IT TIGHTENED KIND OF THE, THE PLAN UP, UH, FROM THE RESIDUAL LAND THAT WAS LEFT, SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          UM, THE APARTMENTS. 
          YES. 
          UM, TUTTLE CROSSING IN ITS PROPOSED ALIGNMENT SETS A VERY KIND OF SOFT CURVE, LINEAR KIND OF FEEL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT SEEMS TO BE REFLECTED SOMEWHAT IN THE NORTHERN PART, BUT THE APARTMENTS SEEM TO BE EXTREMELY RIGID AND IT'S, AND I I SAID YOU LOOK AT TRYING TO CREATE MORE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME PLAY OF THOSE UNITS SO THAT THEY MORE RELATE TO THE PARKWAY IN A POSITIVE WAY AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF CONFRONTING IT IN A VERY ANGULAR WAY. 
          YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, NO, YEAH, WE CERTAINLY CAN, CAN LOOK AT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THAT IS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT. 
          SO NOW LET'S GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU, UH, GENTLEMEN FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          UM, IS ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS DEVELOPMENT? IF YOU COULD, I'LL LET YOU FIGHT BETWEEN YOURSELVES ABOUT WHO COMES UP FIRST, BUT I THINK YOU WON . 
          IF YOU COULD APPROACH THE, THE MIC IS ON. 
          IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, WE'D APPRECIATE IT. 
          MY NAME IS BARBARA WRIGHT. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 6 2 4 4 CARTWRIGHT LANE NORTH. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROPERTY BEHIND MY HOUSE. 
          UM, IF WE COULD GET A MAP UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          THAT'S NOT REALLY THE ONE I WANTED, BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          JUST THERE IS A HOUSE BEHIND ME RIGHT NOW AND I LIVE ON THE OUTSIDE EDGE UP THERE. 
          AND, UH, I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH THAT HOUSE AND IF IT, UH, I'VE SEEN A COUPLE DESIGNS. 
          AND DON'T ASK ME WHERE I SAW THEM BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT, UH, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A PICNIC AREA IN THAT SPOT AND I WONDERED IF THAT WAS THE CASE OR WAS IT ALL THE HOUSE GONNA GO AWAY? IS THERE GREEN SPACE? 'CAUSE I HAVE A PROBLEM IF THERE'S A PICNIC AREA RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE. 
          I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT WE WILL. 
          I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT YOU COULD WORK WITH STAFF ON AND THAT YOU CAN POINT TO THE MAP EXACTLY WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UNLESS STAFF HAS A, WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AFTER. 
          BUT IF YOU ALSO WANNA MAKE A COMMENT OR PHRASE YOUR QUESTION IN TERMS OF A COMMENT. 
          'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS A COMMENT THAT YOU CAN MAKE NOW AND WE CAN STILL FOLLOW UP LATER. 
          OKAY. 
          MY, MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, BEHIND ME TOWARDS THE ROAD? IS IT GONNA BE GREEN SPACE? IS THE HOUSE GONNA STAY THERE? OR, UH, IN TERMS OF A COMMENT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE BEHIND YOUR HOUSE? GREEN SPACE. 
          IF I HAD TO, IF I HAD TO HAVE SOMETHING GREEN SPACE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, MR. WILL SAID HE'D BE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN MORE DETAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHRISTIAN COONEY 58 35 BARRON'S COURT WAY. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE THE, THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE PLAN, UH, BUT THERE'S STILL FOUR MAJOR POINTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          UH, THE FIRST IS THE COUNTRY LANE FEEL OF RINGS ROAD. 
          UH, ACROSS THE ROAD THERE ARE TWO MAJOR HOAS. 
          ONE IS KRAMER CROSS AND THE OTHER IS BALANCE TREE. 
          THE DISTANCE, THERE'S A REALLY BEAUTIFUL WOODED PATHWAY, UM, THAT IS FROM ACROSS FROM KRAMER CROSSING. 
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UM, THERE IS A HUNDRED FEET OF WOODED PATHWAY FROM RINGS ROAD TO THE FRONTAGE OF THE ROAD THAT THEN THE RESIDENTS OF, OF, UH, KRAMER CROSSING GO ONTO IN BALANCE TRAY. 
          THAT DISTANCE IS 50 FEET. 
          UM, THIS PROPOSAL OF PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS BACKING INTO THE, UH, INTO RINGS ROAD, UH, SEEMS LACKLUSTER AND OUT OF CHARACTER TO THE INTENT OF MAINTAINING THAT COUNTRY LANE FEEL. 
          SO SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. 
          A WOODED PATHWAY, AT LEAST, AT LEAST THE SAME DISTANCE AS AS BALANCE TREE WITH THAT 50, WITH THE 50 FEET TO A ROADWAY. 
          AND THEN HOMES FACING RINGS ROAD INSTEAD OF THEIR BACKYARDS. 
          THE SECOND PIECE IS THE DENSITY. 
          UM, THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN, WHEN EVERYONE SAW IT, YOU, I, I KNOW  BALANCE RATE GOT PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, BUT WHEN WE LOOKED TO THE SOUTH, WE SAW THIS, THIS PLAN AND IT LOOKED REASONABLE. 
          ONE TO THREE HOMES PER ACRE. 
          UM, THEN BUTTING UP TO FOUR TO SIX, AND THEN ANOTHER THEN FAR ALMOST TO THE, TO WHERE THEY HAVE IT NOW, THEN IT WENT TO SEVEN TO NINE, AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE 10 TO 12. 
          THIS PUSHES ONE TO SIX ALL THE WAY TO THE WESTERN PART OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THEN GONNA INFLUENCE WICK. 
          ITS DEVELOPED TO THE WEST. 
          I THINK THAT IT, THAT HAVING A GREATER FIDELITY TO THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN ON DENSITY WOULD BE VERY GOOD. 
          THE THIRD PIECE IS A TRAFFIC FLOW, PARTICULARLY UNDER RINGS ROAD. 
          THE, THIS PROJECT REALLY FEELS LIKE THREE SEPARATE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN CONGLOMERATED INTO ONE. 
          YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL OF ONE TO THREE, ONE TO SIX, WHICH DRAIN ONTO RINGS ROAD. 
          YOU THEN HAVE THE AVERY, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL AREA, UM, WHICH I THINK WAS INTENDED AS A MIXED USE, NOT AS SORT OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS BACKING ONTO COMMERCIAL, WHICH SEEMED REALLY STRANGE. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU HAD THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT DRAINED ONTO, UM, ONTO TUTTLE CROSSING. 
          IF YOU HAVE THE TUTTLE CROSSING TRAFFIC DRAINING UP TO RINGS ROAD, RINGS ROAD IS GONNA BECOME A NIGHTMARE. 
          IT'S, I I, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT A BETTER SOLUTION IS THAT THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS TO RINGS ROAD, THAT THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH AVERY OR CROWN TUTTLE UP TO COS GRAY OR BEYOND. 
          BUT HAVING THE NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR IN THAT AREA JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S INVITING TREMENDOUS PROBLEMS TO IT. 
          UM, THE FOURTH, THE FOURTH PIECE IS THE PARK IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, ENVISION DUBLIN CALLED FOR IT. 
          IT RECOGNIZED THERE WAS A LACK OF AMENITIES IN SOUTHWEST DUBLIN AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THEIR BIG SOLUTIONS TO THAT WAS TO USE A LARGE PART OF THAT PROPERTY, UM, AS A MAJOR PARK. 
          SO PARKING, IT WOULD BE A DESTINATION PARK THAT WOULD THEN LEAD INTO THE WOODED AREA THAT IS NORTH OF AVONDALE. 
          UM, AND AT THIS POINT, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING BEING THOUGHT THROUGH ON THAT. 
          UM, HALF OF THAT OF THAT PARK HAS BEEN CUT IN HALF AND TWO MORE APARTMENT COMPLEXES HAVE BEEN PUT IN IT VERSUS WHAT WAS SUGGESTED ENVISIONED IN ENVISION DUBLIN. 
          SO THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER REALLY NEEDS TO ADDRESS WHAT THAT PARK IS GONNA LOOK LIKE AND HOW THAT BECOMES A DESTINATION PARK. 
          THE ONLY DESTINATION PARK IN SOUTHWEST DUBLIN IS, UH, THE BALANCE TREE PARK SPLASH PAD, AND IT'S PACKED IN THE SUMMER. 
          UM, SO THAT BEING ADDRESSED WOULD BE, WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR CONCERNS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE, THE COUNTRY LANE FEEL, THE DENSITY, UH, THE TRAFFIC FLOW TO RINGS ROAD AND THE PARK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE DO HAVE A THREE MINUTE LIMIT AND THE RED LIGHT WILL FLASH WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          HI, MY NAME'S KATHY GATES. 
          I LIVE AT 5 7 3 3 STOCKTON WAY IN KRAMER'S CROSSING. 
          AND, UM, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST SPOKE ABOUT HIS COMMENTS ABOUT RINGS ROAD, BUT ALSO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY AND THE TRAFFIC ON AVERY ROAD. 
          EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONNA BE EXPANDED, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE ADDED A ROUNDABOUT, IT'S STILL DIFFICULT AT TIMES TO GET OUTTA KRAMER CROSSING ONTO AVERY INGS ROAD TO ACCESS OTHER AREAS, WHICH THEN FORCES A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS AND MYSELF TO GO DOWN AND GO THROUGH BALANCE TRAY. 
          SO YOU'RE CREATING ANOTHER DIFFERENT KIND OF TRAFFIC FLOW AND POSSIBLE TRAFFIC ISSUE. 
          BUT, UM, AND I'M GONNA APOLOGIZE BECAUSE THIS IS MY FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN ABLE TO JOIN THIS CONVERSATION AND UM, I'M NOT VERY VERSED 
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ON A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE SHARED IN THE PAST, BUT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT THIS COMMUNITY IN THIS AREA IS GONNA HAVE ON THE AREA, NOT JUST ON THE AVERY ROAD, BUT COS GRAY TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON COS GRAY AND THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT BUILDING ON COS GRAY WHERE THE AREA BETWEEN DARI FIELDS AND DOWN TOWARDS, UH, HAY AND RUN. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST THERE. 
          SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON MY NEIGHBORS. 
          I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON PONDEROSA BECAUSE WHEN WE MOVED INTO KRAMER'S CROSSING, OR ACTUALLY THE WHOLE TIME I'VE LIVED IN DUBLIN, PONDEROSA WAS DESIGNATED AS AN AFFORDABLE AREA FOR ELDER RESIDENTS. 
          AND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IS THIS GONNA HAVE ON THEM? IS THERE, ARE THERE PROPERTY PRICES GONNA GO UP? I MEAN, IS IT GONNA IMPACT THEIR TAXES? WHAT IS IT GONNA DO TO THEM? AND IS IT STILL GONNA BE AFFORDABLE TO LIVE THERE? UM, SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MY NEIGHBORS. 
          A LOT OF FAMILIES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE CHILDREN. 
          HOW'S IT GONNA IMPACT THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS? SO, UM, I REALLY JUST CAME TO KIND OF LURED MYSELF WHAT WAS GOING ON AND I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE MAPS. 
          SO I'M, I'M NOT REALLY VERSED ON WHERE EVERYTHING IS, BUT I JUST ASK EVERYONE TO REALLY STUDY THE IMPACT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE OTHER RESIDENTS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS SOUTH OF US ON AVERY ROAD DOWN ON RIGGINS ROAD, WHERE THERE'S A HUGE, HUGE APARTMENT COMMUNITY GOING IN RIGHT NOW, AND THAT TRAFFIC COMES DOWN OUR WAY AS WELL. 
          UM, ALSO TOO, WHEN YOU GET INVOLVED WITH RETAIL, WHAT RETAIL, WHAT SERVICES COULD POSSIBLY, POSSIBLY NEED THAT WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE WITHIN A THREE TO FIVE MILE RADIUS. 
          I MEAN, IT DOESN'T TAKE ME VERY LONG TO GET TO A POST OFFICE, TO GET TO A, A GROCERY STORE, TO GO DOWN TO STARBUCKS. 
          I MEAN, WHAT KIND OF RETAIL WOULD BE NECESSARY IN AN AREA LIKE THAT? SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS AND I REALLY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME AND I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT YOU TAKE THESE CONCERNS UNDER CONSIDERATION. 
          ALSO TO, ONE LAST THING. 
          MY PROPERTY BACKS UP TO THE DUBLIN SOUTH POOL. 
          SO IN REGARDS TO DOG PARKS, IN THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD A DOG, UH, ILLEGAL DOG PARK IN OUR BACKYARD. 
          AND IT'S NOT PLEASANT. 
          SO WHEN YOU CONSIDER ADDING DOG PARKS, PLEASE DON'T PUT IT BESIDE SOME BEHIND SOMEBODY'S RESIDENCE AND ALSO EVEN THE PICNICKING AREA. 
          MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH SPACE SO THAT IT'S NOT INFRINGING ON THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. WILL, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. 
          NOTHING IS REQUIRED WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN 'CAUSE NO DETERMINATION IS MADE. 
          IF IT WOULD TAKE A STEP TOWARDS THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, EVERY ZONING A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WOULD BE REQUIRED AND IT WOULD DOCUMENT ALL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, HELLO. 
          MY NAME IS KEVIN GRIFFIN. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 55 59 VAR LANE. 
          UM, I'M REALLY, UH, MORE HERE TO ADDRESS THE PROPERTY WEST OF PONDEROSA, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          UH, IF YOU'LL EXCUSE, EXCUSE, UH, MY BLUNTNESS FOR A MOMENT. 
          UM, I THINK THIS PLAN SUCKS. 
          UM, IT'S TOO MUCH. 
          IT'S, UH, TOO CONGESTED. 
          THERE'S TOO MANY UNITS. 
          MOST IMPORTANTLY, THIS IS NOT AT ALL LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF RINGS ROAD. 
          WHEN, UH, MY WIFE AND I, WE BUILT OUR HOUSE 22 YEARS AGO. 
          AND NOW WHEN I GO DOWN TO THAT BIKE PATH ON RINGS ROAD, AND I LOOK TO THE SOUTH AND I SEE THAT TREE LINE, IT'S REALLY NOT VERY FAR FROM WHERE I'M STANDING. 
          AND I'M LOOKING AT THAT TREE LINE AND I'M GOING, THERE'S GONNA BE A ROW OF APARTMENTS, TUNNEL CROSSING, A ROW OF CLUSTER HOMES, A LITTLE BIT OF GREEN SPACE, FOUR TO SIX ROWS OF TOWN HOMES, AND THEN A SINGLE ROW OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          IT MAKES MY STOMACH TURN. 
          THIS IS NOT THE DUBLIN THAT I WANTED TO LIVE IN. 
          UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN I LOOKED AT GOOGLE MAPS ZOOMED OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU GUYS HAD SOME PICTURES THAT WERE VERY SIMILAR TO THIS. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE HIGHLANDS OF BALANCE TRAY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, YOU ROTATE THAT 90 DEGREES. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY THE SAME NUMBER OF ACREAGE, ROUGHLY THE SAME ACREAGE. 
          UH, AS ALL OF THIS THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, THERE ARE 88 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE HIGHLANDS OF ENTRE. 
          AND IN ROUGHLY THAT SAME ACREAGE, THIS PROPOSAL CALLS FOR 170 TOWN HOMES, 16 CLUSTER HOMES, 23 DUPLEXES, AND 14 SINGLE 
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FAMILY HOMES IN THE SAME ACREAGE AS 88. 
          IT'S JUST TOO MUCH. 
          AVERY CROSSING SHOULD COMPLIMENT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          IT SHOULD FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN EXTENSION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          IT SHOULD NOT BE A TRANSITION TO RIGGINS ROAD. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS VICTORIA MCDONALD. 
          I LIVE AT 5 6 4 2 TIME CASTLE LOOP, WHICH I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND LISTENING TO ALL OF US TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          I'M HERE TO VOICE MY CONCERNS REGARDING THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT AS SHOWN IN THE CURRENT SITE PLAN. 
          IT DOES NOT PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY AND DOES NOT RESPECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT CURRENT RESIDENTS ARE ACCUSTOMED TO. 
          PARTICULARLY THE SENIOR RESIDENTS IN THE PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME PARK. 
          RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA VALUE, PEACE, PRIVACY, AND CONNECTION TO NATURE. 
          HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT WILL THREATEN TO DIMINISH THESE VALUES AS IT WILL INTRODUCE TRAFFIC NOISE AND LIGHT POLLUTION. 
          THE CURRENT RURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA PROMOTES OPEN SPACE, FARMLAND AND NATURAL SCENERY. 
          HIGH DENSITY HOUSING WILL UNDERMINE THESE ASSETS BY REPLACING THEM WITH CROWDED HOUSING UNITS, INTRODUCING NOISE, TRAFFIC, AND POLLUTION THAT WILL GREATLY IMPACT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          IF WE LOOK AT THE 2023 PLAN, EVEN CASTO ACKNOWLEDGED THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES WERE THE MOST RESPONSIVE AND SYMPATHETIC IN RESPONSE TO MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK. 
          YET THE CURRENT PLANS THAT THOSE BUFFERS, THE CURRENT PLAN, SHOWS THAT THOSE BUFFERS HAVE BEEN REDUCED COMPLETELY ENGULFING THE MOBILE HOME PARK AND NOT ALLOWING THEM DISTANCE AND SPACE FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. 
          AS I'VE HAD TO SIT IN ON MANY OPPORTUNITIES OF COUNCIL MEETINGS OVER THE PAST YEAR, IT'S BECOME EVIDENT THAT THE THOUGHTFUL PROCESS OF PLANNING DOES NOT OFTEN ALIGN WITH THE VALUES OF THE RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITY NEIGHBORS THAT WILL HAVE THE GREATEST IMPACT. 
          I WAS JUST HERE ON MONDAY AND LISTENED TO RESIDENTS THAT WERE FROM MARTIN ROAD. 
          THEY'RE FACING SIMILAR CONCERNS AND EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT. 
          I'M HERE TO URGE CASTO PLANNING AND ZONING MEMBERS TO RESPECT THE IDENTITY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND PURSUE DEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT ALIGN WITH THE SCALE AND CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE. 
          LOW DENSITY, SUSTAINABLE GROWTH WILL PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, HELLO. 
          I'M TIM MYERS. 
          I LIVE AT, UH, 58 45 GLEN DAVEN COURT. 
          I'M HERE, UH, MAINLY, UH, UH, AS A BALANCER RESIDENT WITH THE CONCERNS WITH THE, UH, RINGS ROAD TRAFFIC, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE DENSITY OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, LISTENING TO THE EMERALD PARKWAY PRESENTATION AND THE AVERY CROSSING RES, UH, PRESENTATION, I, I FELT THERE WAS A LOT MORE DEPTH AND THOUGHT PUT INTO THE EMERALD DEVELOPMENT THAN WHAT I HEARD FROM THE AVERY CROSSING. 
          UM, I THINK THE RESPONSE TO MORE GREEN SPACE, UM, SEEMED RATHER TRANSACTIONAL. 
          WE JUST SORT OF DROPPED SOME THINGS IN CORNERS HERE AND THERE TO SATISFY YOUR REQUEST FOR MORE GREEN SPACE. 
          UM, I, I WOULD THINK THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE THOUGHTFUL. 
          UM, AND, AND HONESTLY, WHEN I LOOK AT THE SKETCHES, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE DUBLIN. 
          IT FEELS LIKE COLUMBUS, AND MAYBE THAT'S OKAY, BUT IT'S HARD TO REALLY GO THERE AND SAY, WELL, THAT'S DUBLIN. 
          UM, IT MAYBE IT WAS CLEAR TO YOU GUYS. 
          IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME HOW MUCH THE DENSITY ACTUALLY REDUCED, BUT THE ONLY THING THAT STANDS OUT IN MY MIND IS THIS HUGE CLUSTER OF HOMES RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK AND THE DENSITY AND THE TRAFFIC AND THE CONGESTION THAT'S GONNA COME OF THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO GO OVER TO BALANCE TRADE, BUT I, I WOULD FEAR WALKING ACROSS RINGS ROAD. 
          AND I ALSO FEAR, AS ANOTHER MEMBER MENTIONED, UH, RINGS ROAD WILL BE A CUT THROUGH WHEN TRAFFIC ON AUTO CROSSING GETS TOO MUCH. 
          AND TO MAINTAIN THAT COUNTRY'S CHA THE ROAD'S CHARACTER AS A COUNTRY ROAD, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GONNA FORCE BE FORCED TO WIDEN THAT ROAD TO HANDLE ALL THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, NOT JUST FOR AVERY CROSSING, BUT THE WHOLE WESTERN INNOVATION DISTRICT. 
          SO THE TRAFFIC AND THE CONGESTION IS GONNA EXPLODE IN THAT AREA AS WELL AS THIS HIGH DENSITY. 
          SO, UM, SO I, I THINK A TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD MAKE SENSE. 
          I REALLY WORRY WHAT THE, HOW MUCH THE DEVELOPER REALLY ENGAGE WITH THE PONDEROSA RESIDENTS. 
          UM, I I WOULD THINK THEY SHOULD BE A KEY STAKEHOLDER IN THIS AND, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT I FEEL DUBLIN 
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COULD DO BETTER THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, MY NAME IS TAMARA KANE AND I LIVE AT 5 4 5 6 DESERT LANE IN THE PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME PARK. 
          I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT, UM, WE ARE A 55 AND OLDER COMMUNITY. 
          WE HAVE NO CRIME. 
          YOU'RE GONNA PUT ALL THIS STUFF AROUND US AND THERE COMES THE CRIME. 
          THEN WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OUR 90-YEAR-OLD NEIGHBORS AND OUR PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT ABLE TO GET AROUND AND TAKE CARE OF THEIRSELVES. 
          SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THIS GOING AROUND US WHEN THAT IS ONE REASON WHY MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED THERE. 
          ANOTHER THING IS, UM, THERE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANY TYPE OF ENTRANCE FROM THESE APARTMENTS, HOMES, WHATEVER, INTO THE PONDEROSA. 
          AND I NOTICED ON ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT THERE ARE, SO THERE THAT'S TELLING ME THAT THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS OR HOMES ARE GOING TO COME THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HAVE A 10 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT BECAUSE WE'RE ALL OLD , YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA ABIDE BY THAT. 
          UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AN EIGHT INCH HYPE MAIN PRESSURE GAS LINE COMING FROM TUTTLE ACROSS THAT FIELD TO AVERY. 
          THAT IS ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDRESSED TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE VERY LOW WATER PRESSURE AND 90% OF US DO NOT DRINK THAT WATER. 
          WE EITHER HAVE A WATER SOFTENER OR WE BOTTLE WATER AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO TO US? I MEAN, WE'RE ALREADY HAVING TROUBLE WITH OUR WATER. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE WATER PROBLEMS. UM, PROPERTY TAXES WILL GO UP OUR LOT IN FEE. 
          UH, LOT FEES HAVE DEFINITELY INCREASED, UM, TO THE POINT OF $85 THIS YEAR FOR THE YEAR OF 2026. 
          IT HAS NEVER, IN THE NINE YEARS THAT I HAVE LIVED THERE INCREASED THAT MUCH. 
          AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT'S MORE ADDRESSED TO THE PONDEROSA OF WHY SUCH A LARGE INCREASE, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT MONEY, THAT EXTRA MONEY, THAT EXTRA $85 THAT'S COMING OUT OF OUR POCKETS THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE BECAUSE WE ARE OVER 55 AND OLDER AND 90% OF US ARE RETIRED AND LIVING ON SOCIAL SECURITY. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT, THAT PLAY INTO THIS THAT THE PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NOT LIKING. 
          AND I THINK WE NEED SOME ANSWERS GOING BOTH WAYS ON HOW TO KEEP US SAFE AND HOW TO KEEP OUR TAXES, OUR STUFF LOW SO THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO, TO LIVE THERE. 
          BECAUSE IF NOT, IF IT CONTINUES TO GO UP, WE'LL FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO HAVE TO GO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS SANDY MCINTOSH. 
          I LIVE AT 5 7 9 2 TRAF FOGGER LANE IN THE BALANCE TRADE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK CASTOW DEVELOPMENT FOR REACHING OUT TO US AND INCLUDING US IN REVIEW OF THIS PLAN PRIOR TO THIS EVENING. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMITMENT TO CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT IN THAT REGARD. 
          A SECOND, I CAN SAY WITH CERTAINTY, I COULD NEVER BE A DEVELOPER. 
          I WOULD NEVER HAVE LOOKED AT A 55 AND OVER MOBILE HOME COMMUNITY AND SAID, DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD DO? WE SHOULD SURROUND THEM WITH APARTMENTS AND DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES AND SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND CLUSTER HOMES, WHATEVER THOSE ARE. 
          TALK ABOUT COMPLETELY CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          TURNING TO WHAT I HOPE ARE SOME CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS. 
          THE CITY'S SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN NOTES THE RURAL CHARACTER OF RINGS. 
          ROADS SHOULD BE PRESERVED WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH, MIMICKING THE ESTABLISHED CHARACTER ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          I'M NOT OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, BUT THIS PLAN DOES NOT MIMIC THE ESTABLISHED CHARACTER ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD AND 
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EITHER DENSITY OR DESIGN. 
          THE SPECIAL AREA PLANS, STATES RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SHOULD CONSIDER INCORPORATING TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY MISSING MIDDLE IS WHAT IT'S CALLED, HOUSING STOCK. 
          IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT APARTMENTS. 
          THERE ARE PLENTY OF APARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT OR IN THE PROCESS OF BEING BUILT IN COLUMBUS, JUST SOUTH OF THIS AREA. 
          WE DON'T NEED THEM AND THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN. 
          WHAT IS NEEDED, ACCORDING TO THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN, IS HOUSING FOR PEOPLE AS THEY AGE. 
          IN ADDITION TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, PATIO HOMES SLASH CONDOMINIUMS LIKE THE GLENS, THE LAKES, THE WOODLANDS AND BALANCE TRAY FILL THIS NEED. 
          THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN AND THE GREATER ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN. 
          AND THEY'RE IN KEEPING WITH THE ESTABLISHED CHARACTER ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          IN ADDITION TO THESE DENSITY AND DESIGNS CONCERNS, I'M ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASED TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PLAN. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TOTAL EXTENSION IS NOT IN THE CITY'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          AND TO RESPOND TO THE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION EARLIER REGARDING WHO WILL PAY FOR THAT, CASTO INDICATED AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING THAT THEY WERE NOT PREPARED TO FOOT THE BILL FOR THAT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          THAT MEANS THAT ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT IS PRIMARILY ON RINGS ROAD, A TWO LANE ROAD THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE WIDENED EVEN FOR A TURN LANE. 
          STAFF REFERENCED TONIGHT THAT AVERY WOULD BE WIDENED TO FOUR LANES AND WOULD HANDLE THE TRAFFIC. 
          BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM OUR MEETING WITH CASTA WAS THAT TRAFFIC WOULD BE RIGHT TURN IN AND RIGHT TURNOUT ONLY ONTO AVERY ROAD. 
          SO ANYONE FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT WHO WANTS TO GO NORTH ON AVERY HAS TO USE RINGS ROAD TO EXIT. 
          THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN STATES THAT SUBSTANTIAL CARE MUST BE TAKEN TO PROPERLY MANAGE AREA DEVELOPMENT AND MINIMIZE TRAFFIC IMPACTS TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREAS LIKE BALANCE TRAY. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT IN THIS PLAN. 
          IN ADDITION TO CAUSING TRAFFIC BACKUPS, THE AREA PLAN NOTES THAT YOUNG CHILDREN WHO LIVE THERE WILL ATTEND WASHINGTON ELEMENTARY, THE PLAN STATES THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE SAFE, EFFICIENT, AND EFFECTIVE PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES PROVIDING DIRECT ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL. 
          I DON'T SEE THAT IN THIS PLAN AND I WORRY ABOUT THE SAFETY OF CHILDREN FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT TRYING TO GO TO SCHOOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, UM, DAWN, THIS IS DAWN. 
          I'M ANISA DAVIS. 
          WE LIVE AT 65 27 ROYAL DUBLIN COURT. 
          WE BUILT OUR HOME AND HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 23 YEARS. 
          23, AND WE'VE BEEN VERY BLESSED TO HAVE A NICE FARM FIELD ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UM, WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR HOME, WE, THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET WAS OWNED BY EDWARDS, WHO DEVELOPED ENTRE. 
          WE WERE TOLD IT WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          UM, WHEN MULTIPLE HOUSING COMES TO MIND, I WOULD THINK OF CONDOS LIKE THE AVALON, NOT THE, UM, TOWN HOMES THAT CURRENTLY OCCUPY HAY AND RUN AND COSGRAVE BEHIND GIANT EAGLE, THOSE GINORMOUS CONCRETE JUNGLE. 
          UM, SO FROM 23, FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN, FROM 23 TO 25, LOOKS LIKE THERE WERE MAYBE 16 UNITS REMOVED. 
          AND ALL OF THE MULTIPLE STORY TOWN HOMES ARE STILL THERE IN THAT, UM, F1 AREA RIGHT OFF OF RINGS. 
          AND, UM, ROYAL DUBLIN COURT, WHICH ROYAL DUBLIN COURT LOOKS LIKE IT EXTENDS RIGHT INTO THOSE TOWN HOMES. 
          MY CONCERN FOR THE PONDEROSA IS THAT WITH THOSE TOWN HOMES, THERE'S NOTHING BUT PARKING. 
          THE NEIGHBORS WILL THEN GO INTO THEIR BACKYARDS AND ENCROACH ON THEM LOOKING FOR GREEN SPACE. 
          AVERY ROAD FLOODS ALL THE TIME, SO WE'RE ADDING MORE PONDS AND MORE WATER. 
          UM, THE NEW ROUNDABOUT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET OUT OF THERE RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S BRAND NEW AND JUST OPENED WHEN COS GRAY WAS CLOSED. 
          RINGS RODE, BACKED UP ALL THE WAY PAST IMAN. 
          SO IF YOU ADD EXTRA TRAFFIC, AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE RINGS ROAD IS AND THEY WANNA PUT 13 HOMES WITH THE BACKYARDS BACKING UP TO RINGS, WE HAVE CARS THAT DRIVE 50, 60 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THAT ROAD. 
          SO HEAVEN FORBID THERE'S AN ACCIDENT, IT'S GONNA END UP IN THOSE 13 BACKYARDS. 
          THERE'S BEEN TWO PEOPLE KILLED ON AVERY ROAD, UM, TWO YEARS AGO. 
          ONE WAS NEAR THE NEW NEW ROUNDABOUT, NOW THE OTHER ONE WAS ON CORPORATE BOULEVARD WITH A JOGGER. 
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IT'S LIKE THAT AREA. 
          WE'RE NOT WALKABLE. 
          I KNOW DUBLIN'S TRYING WITH THE SIDEWALKS, BUT IT'S NOT WALKABLE. 
          WANNA SAY? SURE. 
          UM, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO BE RESPECTFUL FOR THE TIME SINCE WE CAME UP TOGETHER, BUT, UM, MY NAME'S DONALD DAVIS AT THAT RESIDENCE. 
          UM, LISTEN, THERE WAS A LOT SAID, AND I VIOLENTLY AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAID, SO I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO A LOT OF REITERATING WHAT WAS SAID. 
          BUT THE POINTS I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THE COMMITTEE WITH IS WHAT A LOT OF US ARE EXPRESSING THE CONCERN ABOUT IS THE CHANGE THAT THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN AND IMPACT EVERYBODY THAT IS AROUND THIS AREA. 
          UM, I, I CAN'T SPEAK PERSONALLY FOR THE FOLKS IN THE PONDEROSA. 
          I DON'T LIVE THERE, BUT IF I WAS THERE, I WOULD FEEL LIKE I WAS GETTING INVADED UPON. 
          IT'S JUST SQUEEZING ME. 
          AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO NOT HAVE THAT. 
          THEY'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. 
          THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT NOT TO HAVE THAT. 
          I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF AVERY AND THE, UM, THE BALANCE TRAY AREA. 
          UM, ONE OF THE PRIOR SPEAKERS SAID IT PERFECTLY. 
          THIS IS NOT CONSISTENT AT ALL WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          THIS IS THE DENSITY OF THIS IS KIND OF RIDICULOUS. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I HAVE, IS THIS CHANGES THE WHOLE VIBE OF THE AREA, CHANGES THE WHOLE LIVING EXPERIENCE OF THE AREA, AND WAS TOTALLY UNEXPECTED BY ANY OF US THAT CAME INTO THAT AREA. 
          THE TRAFFIC IS THE OTHER BIG PART FOR ME. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A DISASTER. 
          UM, THERE, THERE'S NO, NO TWO WAYS AROUND IT THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THAT SPACE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU DO WITH TUTTLE, THE SPILLOVER IS GONNA BE A BIG PROBLEM. 
          YOU CAN DO ALL THE STUDIES YOU WANT, JUST GO AND EXPERIENCE IT FOR YOURSELVES AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND. 
          THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US. 
          APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          THANK YOU FOR TAKING SOME CONSIDERATION TO REDUCE THE DENSITY. 
          IT'S NOT NEARLY ENOUGH. 
          MY MY FINAL THOUGHT WOULD BE WHERE ELSE IN DUBLIN HAS THIS DENSITY? AND PLEASE KEEP US CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF DUBLIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, MY NAME IS TARA ROWE. 
          I'M AT 57 49 TRAFALGAR LANE. 
          I JUST HAVE A BRIEF COMMENTS. 
          I AGREE WITH THE CONCERNS THAT MY NEIGHBORS HAVE EXPRESSED AROUND TRAFFIC, UH, DENSITY AND COMMUNITY CHARACTER. 
          SO I WON'T BELABOR THAT. 
          BUT ADDITIONALLY, I THINK ONE CRITICAL PIECE OF INFORMATION WE'RE MISSING IS, UM, WHAT THE PRICE POINT WOULD BE FOR THIS PROPOSED HOUSING FROM THE RANGE OF APARTMENTS THROUGH, JUST TO GIVE COMPARISON TO WHAT WAS SHARED IN THE PREVIOUS ONE AND GIVE US AN ESTIMATION FOR HOW IT COMPARES TO OUR OWN REAL ESTATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS MARTIN LYNCH. 
          I LIVE AT 5 5 0 9 TAYSIDE CIRCLE IN ENTRE. 
          UM, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE SAID. 
          UM, I THINK THE GENTLEMAN OVER HERE SAID THAT THE INTENT OF THE APARTMENTS IS TO BLEND INTO COLUMBUS. 
          WE LIVE IN DUBLIN, WE DON'T LIVE IN COLUMBUS. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN COLUMBUS. 
          OUR CHILDREN GO TO WASHINGTON. 
          IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE PROVIDE SAFE AVENUE AND SAFE WAYS AND SAFE SCHOOLS FOR OUR CHILDREN. 
          THAT'S BEEN VERY SAFE FOR THE NEARLY 20 YEARS I LIVED IN THE AREA. 
          UM, I REALLY IMPLORE YOU. 
          NO, WE'RE NOT AN APARTMENT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          NO, WE'RE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          WE NEED TO KEEP IT TO KEEP THE CULTURE OF THE BALANCE. 
          TRAY KRAMER'S CROSSING POSA NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE OTHER POINT IS THE NORTHERN, UM, THROUGHWAY. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO CONNECT RIGHT INTO ROYAL DUBLIN. 
          AND ONCE THAT HAPPENS, IT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE FOR TRAFFIC. 
          IT'S GOING TO CAUSE NOT ONLY THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE TOWN HOMES, THE APARTMENTS THAT COME NORTH INTO RINGS ROAD AND INTO THE BELL AND TRADE NEIGHBORHOODS, NO BALL TRADE FOR BEING ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND HOW IT HAS GROWN AND EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS. 
          IT'S ALREADY BUSY. 
          WHEN WE START HAVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH DOW CROSS OVER RINGS TO GO TO, WHETHER IT'S GOING UP TO WARNER TEMPLE OR GOING TO THE SPLASH PARK 
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OR USING ANY OF THE OTHER WAYS TO GET AROUND AND ACCESS DUBLIN. 
          UM, IT'S GONNA BE A NIGHTMARE FOR TRAFFIC AND IT'S GONNA BE A DANGER FOR OUR CHILDREN. 
          WE REALLY NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND CONSIDERATE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA AND NOT JUST LOOK HOW WE CAN GET MORE DENSITY OUT OF SOME OF THE REMAINING SPACE IN THE DUBLIN AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, WAYNE WU, 55 89 TAYSIDE CIRCLE ENTRE. 
          UH, I'M GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA, I ECHO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT MY FELLOW RESIDENTS, THE SURROUNDING AREAS HAVE ALREADY SAID. 
          I'M GONNA SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS I THINK THAT HASN'T BEEN SAID THAT ENTER MY BRAIN. 
          THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING. 
          I'VE NEVER BEEN HERE, BUT I'M GLAD I'M HERE. 
          I CAME TO LISTEN. 
          I DIDN'T PLAN TO SPEAK, BUT THOUGHTS ENTERED MY BRAIN WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE WAS TALKING. 
          SO THE FIRST THING I WANNA BRING UP IS, I THINK, AND I HOPE EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT THE COLLECTIVE AREAS AND ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON. 
          I THINK SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER. 
          I MEAN, LET'S JUST LOOK AT, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE PARKWOOD THING EXISTED TILL I CAME TO THIS MEETING TONIGHT, LET'S SAY THAT GETS APPROVED, WHICH ISN'T TOO FAR FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS AVERY CROSSING DEVELOPMENT. 
          SOMEONE REFERENCED ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING DOWN, ALBEIT OUTSIDE THE CITY OF DUBLIN, BUT DOWN IN THE RIGGINS ROAD, UM, AVERY AREA. 
          ALL OF THAT IS, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE THAT'S IN A SAME MILEAGE RADIUS THAT WOULD IMPACT TRAFFIC PATTERNS, UH, INFLUX OF RESIDENTS. 
          AND ALBEIT AGAIN, I DO AGREE, I THINK THAT AREA THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING WAS NOT DESIGNED FOR APARTMENTS AND SHOULD NOT BE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THERE'S PLENTY OF APARTMENTS DOWN AVERY ROAD THAT ANYBODY CAN MOVE TO THAT ARE PROBABLY STILL VACANT IN THERE NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK SOMEONE SHOULD LOOK AT HOPEFULLY THE COLLECTIVE AND ALL THE INFLUX IN THAT MILE RADIUS OR WHATEVER THAT RADIUS IS, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE PARKWOOD DOWN AVERY ROAD, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          THE LAST THING I WANNA BRING UP IS SOMETHING REALLY NOBODY EVER THINKS ABOUT, BUT MY WIFE AND I THINK, AND I HOPE OTHERS THINK ABOUT, IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREA, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, IT'S REALLY A VERY LARGE NATURAL HABITAT FOR WILDLIFE AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          RIGHT? AND IF YOU ELIMINATE THAT, WHAT DOES THAT LEAVE AGAIN? UNFORTUNATELY THAT WILDLIFE AND WHATEVER. 
          AND WE CAN'T JUST, THAT GOES BACK TO THE DENSITY CONVERSATION, I GUESS, RIGHT? HOW DENSE CAN YOU MAKE EVERYTHING IN A SMALL POCKET OF DUBLIN? I'LL ALSO AGREE, AND I THINK IT'S, AND I HOPE THIS ISN'T THE CASE. 
          I THINK THERE ARE SOME PERCEPTIONS THAT THE SOUTHWEST PART OF DUBLIN IS SOMETIMES TREATED DIFFERENTLY FROM THE REST OF DUBLIN. 
          AND I HOPE THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU? PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          FRED STEELE, SIX TWO FIVE ZERO CARTWRIGHT LANE NORTH, THE PONDEROSA. 
          UH, COULD YOU BRING UP THE, UH, DIAGRAM WITH THE LATEST STREET PROPOSAL PLEASE? UH, YES, THAT'LL WORK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I HATE TO SOUND LIKE BROKEN RECORD, BUT I HAVE THIS ARTICLE AGAIN FROM THE DISPATCH BATCH OF OCTOBER 5TH, 2023. 
          IT TALKS ABOUT CASTO BUYING THE PONDEROSA AND, UH, WHAT THEY INTENDED TO DO. 
          AND A REPRESENTATIVE ALSO STATED THE PROJECT WILL MAINTAIN THE EXISTING PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME PARK 107 SPACE COMMUNITY THAT OFFERS A UNIQUE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTION FOR THE AREA. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          I'M GLAD. 
          I HAD A MOTHER AND FATHER THAT TAUGHT ME TO MEAN WHAT I SAY AS OF JANUARY 1ST FOR RAISING OUR RENT FOR THE LOT $20. 
          THAT'S NOT TOO BAD, BUT THEY'RE ALSO HAVING A NEW CHARGE OF $65 A MONTH FOR WATER AND TRASH, WHICH WAS ALWAYS INCLUDED IN THE LOT RENT BEFORE. 
          SO REALLY I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO PRICE THE RESIDENTS OF PONDEROSA OUT. 
          UH, AND UM, THE DIAGRAM HERE, IT SHOWS A CONNECTOR STREET OFF OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE PONDEROSA GOING WEST AND THEN DOWN TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. 
          IT SHOWS ANOTHER CONNECTOR STREET FROM THE PONDEROSA. 
          AND THE PONDEROSA DOESN'T HAVE ANY SIDEWALKS AND THERE ARE WALKERS THAT DO WALKING FOR PHYSICAL ACTIVITY. 
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I I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA BE A RACETRACK WITH THOSE CONNECTOR STREETS. 
          UM, I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU FOR GIVING THE TIME TO SPEAK AND THANK YOU MS. KATHY FOR SPEAKING UP. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS CHERYL COOK AND I LIVE IN THE PONDEROSA AT 54 83 BONANZA LANE. 
          AND IN PRIVATE, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'RE BEING FORCED OUT, UM, OF OUR HOME. 
          MY SON BOUGHT US THIS MOBILE HOME IN THAT PARK 'CAUSE HE THOUGHT WE'D BE SAFE. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS I ASKED FOR FOR CHRISTMAS IS CAMERAS FOR THE OUTSIDE, BECAUSE I KNOW ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE AROUND. 
          UM, WE LIVE IN A VERY QUIET COMMUNITY. 
          YOU CAN WALK YOU ALMOST ANY TIME OF THE DAY OR NIGHT. 
          IT'S VERY SAFE THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE SAFE ANYMORE. 
          AND MY SON DID CALL CASTO, UM, WHO WE PAY OUR LOT RENT TOO, AND SAID, DO YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT RAISING MY PARENTS' RENT? 44% IN TWO YEARS? UM, WE ARE BEING FORCED OUT. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE A QUIET PLACE ANYMORE. 
          UM, THAT'S WAY TOO MUCH BUILDING. 
          AND AS FAR AS RETAIL GOES, WE CAN GO RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FOR ANYTHING WE NEED. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, MOLLY. 
          KAY. 
          6, 2, 3, 6 RINGS ROAD. 
          I LIVE ACTUALLY ACROSS THE, IN THE PLANS FROM THE BIG TALL TOWER THAT WILL MAYBE NOT LOOK INTO MY HOME AND ALL MY NEIGHBORS BECAUSE IT'S A RANCH HOME. 
          SO I DO APPRECIATE THE UPDATES TO THE PLANS. 
          UM, I SEE ALL THE GREEN SPACE. 
          I CONCUR WITH ALL MY NEIGHBORS, WITH ALL THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE ADDRESSED TWO TIMES PRIOR TO THIS ALREADY WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, I DO CONSIDER THE PRE AND THINK ABOUT THE PRESERVATION WHEN I LOOK ON THE ORIGINAL MAPS OF DUBLIN, THAT THAT GREEN SPACE WILL BE GONE. 
          AND I WONDER IS, IS THAT ALLOWED? I DON'T EVEN KNOW, LIKE WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE ANIMALS THERE TOO. 
          UM, ONE OF, AND ONE OF MY CONCERNS I DON'T THINK THE NEIGHBORS SPOKE TO YET, WAS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT RIGGINS ROAD, WHICH IS LIKE A MILE AWAY FROM US, WHERE THE NEW ROUNDABOUT AND AVERY'S BUILT, AND YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS, THERE'S LIKE A MCDONALD'S, AND THEN BEHIND THAT ARE ALL THE APARTMENTS IN RETAIL SPACE UNDERNEATH IT, SIMILAR TO THE PLANS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. 
          IT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH IDENTICAL, BUT YOU JUST CHANGE THE FACADE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE COMMERCIAL SPACE THERE. 
          UM, AND WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS I DID APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE, THE OTHER PLANS FOR THE EMERALD PARKWAY BECAUSE IT SHOWED A DIFFERENT KIND OF CONCEPT. 
          AND SO I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THEM REACHING OUT TO US AND HAVING THE CONVERSATION THROUGH ZOOM. 
          UM, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE WE ALSO WEREN'T VERY THAT INVOLVED WITH THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, WITH OUR COMMENTS. 
          THERE ARE SO MANY CONVERSATIONS THAT OCCUR. 
          UM, I'M SO INVOLVED WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          MY DAUGHTER'S FIVE. 
          SHE GOES, THERE'S MY SON IS A MIDDLE SCHOOLER. 
          WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR 10 YEARS. 
          I WANNA BUILD MORE ON THE PROPERTY AND BUILD AND GROW FOR MY PARENTS TO LIVE WITH ME, UM, BECAUSE WE FEEL SAFE. 
          AND I MEAN, I CAN JOG AND 5:00 AM IN THE MORNING AND, AND FEEL SAFE THERE. 
          SO, UM, LIKE MY OTHER NEIGHBOR, I STARTED PUTTING CAMERAS AROUND ONCE THE ROUNDABOUT WAS BUILT BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN MORE TRAFFIC AND THERE HAS BEEN, UM, ONE OF THOSE SPEED RE SPEED SIGNS THAT SHOWS YOU HOW FAST YOU'RE GOING. 
          UM, BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE STARTED SPEED SPEEDING SINCE THEN. 
          IT'S ONLY BEEN A FEW MONTHS, RIGHT? UM, SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO CONSIDER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION GOING ON, UM, IN SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          AND WHAT I DON'T LIKE THAT PEOPLE ASK ME ALL THE TIME IS THAT THEY'RE ASKING ME, THE FIRST QUESTION IS, SO WITH THE PLANS GOING ON, NOT JUST IN YOUR AREA, BUT EVERYWHERE YOU SEE LIKE A WHOLE ROLL OF ALL THESE APARTMENTS AND TOWN HOMES, ARE YOU GONNA MOVE OUT? ARE YOU GONNA MOVE AWAY? I DON'T WANNA MOVE AWAY. 
          I MOVED HERE BECAUSE I LOVE DUBLIN AND I, I LOVE THAT I FEEL SAFE. 
          I LOVE OUR POLICE OFFICERS, I LOVE MY NEIGHBORS. 
          I JUST, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF IN THAT WE'RE STUCK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE WE'RE, WE'RE FIGHTING BACK AND WANTING TO PRESERVE WHAT WE'RE SEEING. 
          SO THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR LISTENING AND, AND I THINK THAT'S MY TIME. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE WOULD LIKE 
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TO COMMENT? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE COMMENT PERIOD NOW, AND WE'RE GONNA TURN IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DELIBERATION. 
          AND I'M GONNA TURN TO MY RIGHT. 
          AND MR. CHINOOK, THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND EVERYBODY COMING OUT AND SHOWING THE CONCERN. 
          CONCERN FOR THE AREA. 
          I WILL SAY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS PROCESS, WHEN WE, I THINK IT WAS SHOWN AT SOME POINT TONIGHT WHERE THE FIRST PLAN WE SAW BACK IN, I THINK IT WAS 23, HOW MUCH IT'S IMPROVED. 
          AND THAT SHOWS, IT SHOWS US THAT WE'RE, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS IS WORKING. 
          WE'RE LISTENING TO, WE'RE LISTENING TO COMMENTS, WE'RE LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC APPLICANTS, LISTENING TO US, WORKING WITH STAFF. 
          SO THE, THE PROCESS FOR SURE IS WORKING. 
          SO I THINK THAT SAID, WE'RE GETTING THERE. 
          UH, WE, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF, OF UNITS, INCREASED GREEN SPACE. 
          I THINK YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME UNIQUENESS IN, IN THE NAVIGATION AROUND THE SITE. 
          AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE GETTING THERE AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, AND WE KNOW THE APPLICANT 'CAUSE THEY HAVE IN THE PAST, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE, TAKE, HEAR, HEAR ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE, AND THEN THAT, THAT THE PUBLIC HAS MADE AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL COME BACK THE NEXT ROUND WITH, WITH SOME ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT. 
          THANKS MS. HAR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND, UM, GIVING YOUR, UM, PROGRAM AND HOW THINGS ARE GOING AND SO FORTH. 
          AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR FROM, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SO FORTH. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, FROM THE BEGINNING, I HAVE NOT BEEN, UM, CERTAIN ABOUT IF THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE OR NOT. 
          IT, UM, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT DOESN'T QUITE FIT. 
          IT HASN'T BEEN FITTING AND WE'RE STILL ALMOST THE SAME SPACE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME REDUCING THINGS. 
          IT STILL BRINGS ON THAT, UM, DENSITY THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT. 
          I STILL DON'T, I'M STILL NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA OF THERE'S A HOMEOWNER WHO'S LOOKING AT APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND WHERE, AND I DIDN'T HEAR A GOOD ANSWER ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO, UH, MINIMIZE THAT AND THAT IT'S ITS OWN LITTLE SECTION AND SO FORTH. 
          IT'S A SMALL SECTION NOW. 
          AND I, I DO THINK IT'S A, A GREAT AREA FOR, UM, MORE, UH, HOMES I THINK AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOMES. 
          I'M NOT EVEN OPPOSED TO DUPLEX. 
          WE, WE'VE HAD THIS CITY MEETING A FEW YEARS AGO TALKING ABOUT HOW FAMILIES MAY WANNA VENTURE LIVING TOGETHER. 
          SO YOU MAY HAVE THAT THREE TRY KIND OF HOME THAT, UM, YOU LIVE WITH YOUR FAMILY AND SO FORTH. 
          SO, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT HAPPENING WITH THIS. 
          AND, UH, THE SPACE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU'RE IN THERE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A HALF FOOTBALL FIELD BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THE ROAD. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE SIDEWALK, WHICH REALLY THAT SPACE SETS THAT HOUSE BACK QUITE A WAYS. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT FEELING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          AND THAT CONCERNS ME TOO, BECAUSE THAT PRECEDENT IS THERE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THAT ROAD AND YOU'RE FEELING LIKE WHAT'S ON EACH SIDE. 
          AND, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE, UM, IMPORTANT TO ME. 
          THERE ARE THINGS YOU'RE PUTTING IN, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN COMING BACK AND SO FORTH, UM, THAT I'M GONNA LISTEN TO AND BE IN INTERESTED IN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH ALL THE STORM WATER, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO WITH ALL THE NEW PONDS YOU'RE PUTTING IN THERE? AND IS IT GONNA BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN GROUPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH THAT STORM WATER GARDENS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. 
          UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE ARE THE, THE, THE MAIN THING THERE WITH QUESTION TWO, IT KIND OF GETS TO THE PEDESTRIANS AND BIKES AND SO FORTH. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'VE HIT IT YET ON THAT EITHER. 
          UM, IT'S NOT A WALKABLE AREA. 
          I DON'T SEE PEOPLE COMING ACROSS TO, TO, UM, ENGAGE IN SOME OF THE, THE WATER AREAS. 
          IF SO, IT'S GOTTA BE SAFER TO DO THAT. 
          UM, BUT IT IS, PEOPLE GET IN THEIR CARS IN THAT AREA WHERE OTHER PARTS OF DUBLIN, THEY'RE WALKING A BIT MORE. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND THERE'S NOT AS MANY SIDEWALKS. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT WAY. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT PART HITS ME AS WELL TOO. 
          I, I'M THINKING ABOUT, UM, UH, QUESTION NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE DENSITY. 
          AND AGAIN, I JUST THINK, UM, NOT CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT BUFFERS OR THINKING ABOUT HOW, HOW YOU'RE GONNA, UM, MOVE ONE PLACE INTO ANOTHER. 
          UM, AND, UM, JUST NOT IN FAVOR OF HOW THIS IS SITTING YET. 
          AND IT JUST, FOR HOW LONG, HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS. 
          I'M NOT, I I HAVEN'T REALLY MOVED THE NEEDLE ON IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER. 
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I'M VERY, I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS. 
          'CAUSE THIS WILL BE A CHANGE. 
          HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CANNOT SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IT CORRESPONDS TO ALL OF OUR PLANS. 
          THAT'S THE ISSUE. 
          AND THESE ARE NOT PLANS THAT WE ADOPTED. 
          THESE ARE PLANS THAT CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, MIXED USE, NEIGHBORHOOD FRONTING, AVERY RESIDENTIAL, VARIOUS DENSITIES, WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE MIXED USE MAKES THIS A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION PLAN. 
          DUBLIN CHARACTER AVERY A HUNDRED FACE SETBACK, AVERY PONDS, WATER FEATURES MOUNTING HOUSING AND NEIGHBOR DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES. 
          NOW THAT'S NOT JUST THE, THE PLAN THAT'S AN ISSUE IN THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THIS IS SOLVING A PROBLEM THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN CALLED TO ADDRESS. 
          AND THIS PROJECT DOES THAT, UM, , YOU KNOW, INCREASE THE HOUSING VARIETY AND STOCK. 
          THAT REINFORCES WHAT I JUST SAID. 
          THAT COMES FROM THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN, CREATE REGIONAL GREENWAYS. 
          SO FOR ME, I, I THINK IT'S AN EXTREMELY LOGICAL DISTRIBUTION OF THE, OF THE HOUSE TYPES ACROSS THE LOT. 
          IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. 
          SO, UM, I, I DO, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BUFFERING FOR THE PEOPLE AT PONDEROSA. 
          I THINK IF, IF THAT COULD, IF THE BUFFERS COULD BE MORE DENSE AND MORE PROMINENT, IT WOULD HELP THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBABLY MOST AFFECTED. 
          UH, ULTIMATELY IT'LL PROBABLY BE THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT, THAT MOVES ME BECAUSE I SEE GREAT POTENTIAL FOR THE TUNNEL EXTENSION TO TAKE SO MUCH TRAFFIC OUT TO TWO 70. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS DONE, SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, NOT ALL CAN BE MITIGATED. 
          SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER. 
          AGAIN, I SHARE SIMILAR COMMENTS TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE REASON THAT THIS SITE HAS BEEN LOOKED AT THE WAY IT IS IS BECAUSE OF THE TUNNEL CROSSING BOULEVARD EXTENSION GOING OUT TO THE WEST. 
          AND I THINK THE, THE GENERAL FEELING IS THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THIS SITE. 
          AND BECAUSE OF ITS CAPACITY, AS MR. ALEXANDER SAID, TO POTENTIALLY HANDLE TRAFFIC, IT'S WHERE YOU CAN PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY TO HELP, UM, AGAIN, CREATE THAT MIX OF USES IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I THINK AS THE CITY HAS PLANNED THE SITE OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, COMING TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE AREA PLAN, I THINK THE USES THAT ARE, UM, PROPOSED HERE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT COMM THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE AREA PLAN. 
          HOWEVER, I DO THINK THAT THE PLAN HAS EVOLVED FROM THE FIRST ITERATION. 
          THIS IS THE THIRD, THIRD TIME THAT WE'VE SEEN IT. 
          AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME GOOD MOVES AND PERHAPS SOME MOVES THAT MAYBE ARE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. 
          AND I THINK THE, THE ADDITION OF ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE IS REALLY POSITIVE, BUT MAYBE IN A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, YOU DON'T WANNA PUT ALL OPEN SPACE IN ONE PLACE. 
          AND THE IDEA OF USING OPEN SPACE TO WEAVE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND START TO SCALE IT DOWN SO IT DOES START TO REFLECT MORE THE CHARACTER OF THIS AREA WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          AND I THINK IN THE QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD, WE TALKED ABOUT NORTH SOUTH GREENWAYS THAT START TO BREAK DOWN THE SCALE. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK THE TRANSITION FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UM, ALONG RINGS, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO, MAYBE IT'S NOT QUITE RIGHT YET THE WAY THAT'S BEEN DONE. 
          BUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, WE HAVE A CATEGORY CALLED ESTATE LOTS THAT HAVE A WAY TO HANDLE GARAGES AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT MIGHT BE REALLY APPROPRIATE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE APPLICANT COULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NOR THE OTHER SIDE OF RINGS, AND CAN WE MIMIC THAT WITH THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND THE UNITS FACING, UH, RINGS AS OPPOSED TO BACKING TO IT. 
          BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING THE COMMISSION'S BEEN WORKING ON IS GETTING, UH, HOUSES, NOT BACKING DISCRETES, BUT GETTING FRONTS, FACING STREETS LIKE THE OLD DAYS. 
          UM, AND THEN THE TRANSITION FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO TOWNHOUSES, I FEEL IS ABRUPT AND THE INTENSITY OF THE TOWNHOUSES IS MAKING IT FEEL DENSE. 
          AND I, SO IT'S, I THINK THERE'S ROOM TO DO SOME BETTER TRANSITIONS AND MAYBE THROUGH THIS WEAVING OF OPEN SPACE, YOU CAN REDUCE THE INTENSITY OF THE TOWNHOUSE PRODUCT. 
          OR MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER PRODUCT THAT AGAIN, TRANSITIONS FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO MAYBE THERE'S DUPLEXES THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THEN IT TRANSITIONS TO TOWNS. 
          I JUST THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT IN MORE DETAIL. 
          AND I, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ANGST OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN THE INTENSITY OF IT. 
          AND SO IF WE COULD COOL IT DOWN 
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A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE IT LESS INTENSE, AND MAYBE THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S LESS DENSE, BUT IT'S LESS INTENSE AND REALLY USE OPEN SPACE TO DO THAT IN A, IN A VERY CREATIVE WAY, I THINK COULD REALLY HELP TO MITIGATE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT, UH, PEOPLE HAVE VOICED. 
          BUT AGAIN, UM, I KIND OF JUST SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS OUR GUIDE AND, UM, THE, THE USES THAT ARE SHOWN HERE, AND MOSTLY THE ORGANIZATION OF THOSE USES ON THE SITE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          SO THOSE WOULD BE THE, THE COMMENTS THAT I WOULD OFFER, AND I'D OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. 
          YOUR COMMENTS REALLY MADE ME THINK ABOUT A FEW THINGS. 
          IT, IT IS A TENSE INTENSITY OF HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT IS, AND NOT HEARING THAT TONIGHT DIDN'T HELP. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT ARE ON RINGS ROAD, YOU KNOW HOW TALL THOSE STONES ARE AND THE GRASSES THEY USE AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, EVEN IF THEY ADDED IN A FEW MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT KIND OF MADE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS HAVING ITS WAY AND THAT THEN, UM, IT SOFTENED TO THE TOWN HOMES, WHICH THAT'S A DIFFICULT PART FOR ME. 
          SO, UM, I REALLY, I, I APPRECIATE HEARING THAT AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL HEAR THAT ABOUT TOO, ABOUT WHAT THAT ROAD IS LIKE FOR EVERYONE DRIVING THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU JAMIE. 
          YOU OKAY. 
          SO I'LL TURN TO THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, YOU'VE HEARD OUR COMMENTS, YOU'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY, UH, WE ALL HAVE AND I THINK IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING IN. 
          AND AS PARDON, OKAY. 
          UM, AS YOU LEAVE, IF YOU COULD ALL MOVE INTO THE, INTO THE LOBBY AND MOVE DOWN BECAUSE THE NOISE TRAVELS BACK IN, BUT WE ARE GONNA TAKE A BRIEF RECESS AT THIS POINT. 
          SO FI FIVE, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED HERE? 10 MINUTES, 10 MINUTES, MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY, ALL WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED. 
          ALL THE SIDE CONVERSATIONS DONE NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA 
          [Case #25-111INF]
ADDRESS CASE NUMBER 25 DASH 11 INF, UH, SE CENTURY SENIOR INFORMAL REVIEW, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A CONTINUUM OF CARE FACILITY, A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING, AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THE 18 ACRE SITE IS ZONED R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND IT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF BRIGHT ROAD AND EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT UP NOW TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME'S JORDAN DORSEY. 
          I'M THE OWNER OF CENTURY LAND COMPANY. 
          UH, MY ADDRESS IS 8 6 2 0 NEELY LANE IN EDWARDSVILLE, ILLINOIS. 
          SO WE'RE HERE TODAY. 
          UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR EARLY FEEDBACK IN THE PROCESS. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UM, ARE PROPOSING A SENIORS HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AT THE CORNER OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND BRIGHT ROAD. 
          UM, AND I DO HAVE SOME SLIDES, I BELIEVE THEY'RE IN YOUR PACKET THAT, THAT ADDRESS SENIORS HOUSING DEMAND. 
          UH, DUE TO THE TIME OF NIGHT, I'LL, I'LL SKIP RIGHT THROUGH THAT. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, WE BELIEVE DUBLIN IS, UM, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCING A, A RAPID GROWTH IN THE AGING POPULATION HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, DUBLIN'S OWN HOUSING STUDY, UM, INDICATED WE NEED 2000 OR A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND UNITS BY 2030. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 
          WE BUILD SENIORS HOUSING ACROSS THE MIDWEST. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A VERY HIGH END PRODUCT. 
          IT'S A FULL CONTINUUM OF CARE. 
          UM, I'LL JUMP TO A SLIDE HERE. 
          UM, YOU GO TO SLIDE SIX, YOU'RE YEAH, SARAH, YOU'RE GOING TO RUN THE SLIDES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD BE A FULL CONTINUUM OF CARE, UM, ANCHORED BY, UM, WHAT'S CALLED INDEPENDENT LIVING, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LOWER ACUITY SETTING. 
          UM, THOSE RESIDENTS WOULD STILL RECEIVE A FULL SUITE OF SERVICES INCLUDING FULL SERVICE, DINING WELLNESS PROGRAMS, UH, INDOOR POOL, UM, AND IN-HOUSE THERAPY. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WOULD HAVE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE WITHIN THE, THE SAME STRUCTURE. 
          AND THEN, UM, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A NUMBER OF INDEPENDENT LIVING VILLAS, UM, TO A COMPANY. 
          THOSE RESIDENTS WOULD RECEIVE THE SAME LEVEL OF AMENITY WITHIN THE, THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE PROJECT. 
          SO IF WE JUST WANNA GO STRAIGHT TO THE, UH, SITE PLAN, UH, SO THIS IS THE INITIAL CO, UH, CONCEPT PLAN. 
          I WOULD REALLY CATEGORIZE THIS AS SORT OF A TEST FIT AT THIS STAGE. 
          UM, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN AN EXISTING BUILDING, AND SO THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THIS PLAN IS, IS A PROJECT THAT, UM, WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW IN A COMMUNITY CALLED ZIONSVILLE INDIANA. 
          UH, VERY SIMILAR MAKE 
          [02:55:01]
UP TO DUBLIN. 
          AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT, HOW THAT BUILDING FITS ON THIS SITE AND HOW WE MIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING, ASSISTED LIVING AND THE VILLAS. 
          UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, UM, THE MAIN STRUCTURE, WHICH IS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER THAT IS, UH, THE PRIMARY BUILDING. 
          WE'VE TRIED TO TRANSITION THE FOUR STORY PORTION OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH END OF THAT BUILDING, WHICH IS INDEPENDENT LIVING, UM, TO A TWO STORY PRODUCT AT THE NORTHERN SIDE THAT ABUTS THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, THAT WOULD BE ASSISTED LIVING IN MEMORY CARE. 
          UH, THE AMENITIES FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDE THE FULL SERVICE DINING, THE BISTROS, THE WINE BAR, THE POOL, UH, THE THERAPY CENTER IS, UM, TYPICALLY PLACED WITHIN THAT CORE OF THE BUILDING SO THAT ALL OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE BUILDING CAN ENJOY THOSE SAME AMENITIES. 
          UM, TO THE LEFT, UH, ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY, YOU CAN SEE A NUMBER OF VILLAS. 
          SO WE'VE PLUGGED IN, PLUGGED IN APPROXIMATELY 30 SINGLE STORY, UM, INDEPENDENT LIVING VILLA. 
          SO THEY WOULD BE AGE RESTRICTED. 
          UM, THOSE RESIDENTS WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, PAY A MONTHLY RENTAL JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS AND RECEIVE THE LAME, SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE, UM, OF THE AMENITIES THAT EXIST IN THE, UH, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          UH, THE PRIMARY ACCESS POINT FOR, UH, THIS PROPOSAL IS OFF OF THE NEW ROUNDABOUT, UM, ADJACENT TO THE HOSPITAL. 
          UM, ON BRIGHT ROAD, WE ARE PROPOSING WE WOULD LIMIT ACCESS, UM, WITH A GATE AT THAT LOCATION. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY AND POTENTIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR RESIDENTS IN THE VILLAS, THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT GATE. 
          UM, TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE. 
          YOU'LL ALSO SEE WHAT WE'RE CALLING PHASE TWO. 
          UM, THIS IS A PROPOSED MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. 
          UM, IT IS CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT, BUT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO RESERVE THAT PORTION OF THE SITE, UH, TO ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S PLANS. 
          AND, UM, WE, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL PLANS FOR THE FUTURE OVERPASS OVER TWO 70 THAT WOULD INTERSECT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. 
          UH, THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING COMPONENT, IF YOU GO TO THE VERY LAST SLIDE. 
          UM, SO WE, WE ARE, UH, REALLY, UM, WOULD ENJOY YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN TERMS OF MEDICAL OFFICE AND RETAIL AT THAT LOCATION. 
          UM, WE'VE INCLUDED SOME CONCEPT IMAGES THAT ARE ONE STORY MULTI-TENANT RETAIL AND MEDICAL OFFICE. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDES HERE, THANK YOU. 
          UM, ON THE LEFT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR YOUR TYPICAL OFFICE, UH, MEDICAL OFFICE. 
          AND WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THAT, UH, GENERAL OFFICE, IT'S MOST LIKELY GONNA BE A MEDICAL USER THAT IS ANCILLARY TO SENIORS HOUSING. 
          UM, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK THAT THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE A COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD DRAW A LITTLE BIT OF TRAFFIC THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD SERVICE BOTH THE SENIORS HOUSING AND THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY THAT'S, UM, GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, COMING TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA. 
          UM, ACTUALLY SARAH, IF YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THE, THAT CONCEPT RENDERING, UM, SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A CONCEPT IMAGE. 
          UM, THIS BUILDING'S ACTUALLY BEING BUILT IN FRANKLIN, TENNESSEE. 
          UM, I'M PROVIDING THIS JUST TO, UM, TRY TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE WHAT SORT OF ARCHITECTURE THEY'D LIKE TO SEE AT THIS LOCATION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IT'S, IT'S NATURAL STONE. 
          IT'S, UH, WOOD LOOK SIDING, IT'S, UH, LOTS OF MASONRY AND, UM, HARDY PLANK, UH, PITCH TO ROOF. 
          SO WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, IN MOST OF THESE COMMUNITIES, WE REALLY WANT, UH, THIS BUILDING TO PRESENT AS RESIDENTIAL RATHER THAN INSTITUTIONAL. 
          AND WE REALLY WANT IT TO BLEND WITH WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE, UH, FOR THIS LOCATION. 
          AND FOUR, OR, UH, FOR THE INDEPENDENT LIVING WOULD BE FOUR STORY. 
          THE ASSISTED LIVING WOULD BE, UH, AND MEMORY CARE WOULD BE TWO STORY. 
          UM, SARAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING TO, UH, SLIDE NUMBER 14. 
          UM, LET'S GO, UH, ONE MORE PLEASE. 
          CAN, CAN YOU TELL I DON'T HAVE NUMBERS ON THE SLIDES? OH, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, GO, KEEP GOING, PLEASE. 
          UH, THIS RIGHT HERE, UH, THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE ARCHITECTURE. 
          THIS IS, UH, UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN ZIONSVILLE, INDIANA. 
          THIS IS A MUCH MORE TRADITIONAL LOOK, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THIS EARLY STAGE, UH, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REALLY TAILOR THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE BUILDING TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          SO, UM, LOOKING FOR, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK THAT THE CITY MIGHT HAVE ON, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY WOULD LIKE THIS PROJECT TO, TO BLEND INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THEN SARAH, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE, THE TABLE THAT DISCUSSES THE DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THE BEACON. 
          UM, YEAH, THIS ONE HERE, 
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UM, WE'RE JUST PROVIDING THIS BECAUSE I DID HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ON HOW DOES THIS, UH, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENTIATED FROM, UH, THE BEACON THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED, UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR. 
          UM, AND I WILL FULLY DISCLOSE LIKE THE COMMU THE INFORMATION ON THE WEST, OR THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS BASED ON PUBLIC RECORD, SO I'M NOT GONNA PRETEND TO KNOW ALL THE INS AND OUTS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT, UM, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR PRODUCT IS, IS A MONTH TO MONTH RENTAL, NO BUY-IN. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, SIGN A LEASE AND HAVE SHORT-TERM COMMITMENT. 
          UM, SO IT'S JUST A MUCH MORE FLEXIBLE, UM, ARRANGEMENT. 
          UM, THIS WOULD ALL BE DONE IN TERMS OF THE SENIOR LIVING COMPONENT IN A SINGLE PHASE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDING THE, POTENTIALLY THE 160 TO 170 UNITS OF ASSISTED LIVING, MEMORY CARE, AND INDEPENDENT LIVING PLUS THE VILLAS, UM, ALL IN ONE PHASE OVER AROUND A TWO YEAR PERIOD. 
          SO WITH THAT, I WILL, UH, I WOULD LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE ANY FEEDBACK AT THE END. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT AFTER THE STAFF PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, THIS INDEED IS CENTURY SENIOR AND IT IS AN INFORMAL REQUEST. 
          THIS IS AN OPTIONAL STEP IN THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          AND AS WE'VE SEEN WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN A, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING NON-BINDING FEEDBACK TO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. 
          AND GENERALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE PROPOSAL RELATIVE TO ENVISION DUBLIN AND THE, UM, SPECIAL AREA PLAN. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT USE AND DENSITY SITE LAYOUT, THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK. 
          AND AS THE APPLICANT HAS MENTIONED, THEY WOULD APPRECIATE SOME FEEDBACK ON THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          THE SITE IS IN YELLOW AS OUTLINED ON THE MAP. 
          IT'S AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND BRIGHT ROAD. 
          CURRENTLY IT IS ZONED R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, AND IT'S SURROUNDED MOSTLY BY THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE MOUNT CARMEL, PUD AND THE NEWLY APPROVED BEACON, PUD. 
          OUR DISCUSSION AS, UM, PREVIOUSLY DONE TONIGHT IS GONNA START WITH THE BROADEST CONCEPTS AND THEN MOVE TO MORE SPECIFIC CONCEPTS. 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE IS PART OF ENVISION DUBLIN, AND THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS NOTED AS NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, WHICH, UM, PRINCIPAL USES INCLUDE OFFICE, MEDICAL OFFICE, AND INSTITUTIONAL OFFICE WITH ASSISTED LIVING AS A SUPPORTING USE. 
          SO NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE ENVISIONS ONE TO TWO STORY BUILDINGS UP TO 9,500 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE WITH RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AND THAT LOW LOT COVERAGE HERE, THE SITE IS OVERLAYING ON THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, WHICH IS MORE SPECIFIC THAN OUR FUTURE LAND USE. 
          MAP ITEMS TO POINT OUT INCLUDE NUMBER 11, WHICH IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THAT I TWO 70 BRIDGE AND THE ROUNDABOUT, THE GREEN STREAM AND OPEN SPACE CONNECTION WITH TERMINI THAT GOES THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S THE DASHED BLACK LINE, A TREE ROAD TO BE PRESERVED ON THE WEST SIDE, AND THEN SPECIAL LANDSCAPE TREATMENT ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          SO KEY CONCEPTS INCLUDE PRESERVATION OF THAT EMERALD PARKWAY CHARACTER TRANSITION TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON BOTH THE NORTH AND THE WEST. 
          THE INCORPORATION OF TREE STANDS OR ROWS INTO THE DESIGN PROTECTION OF THE STREAM CORRIDORS, A 100 FOOT MINIMUM SETBACK ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY PARKING TO THE REAR AND SIDE OF BUILDINGS. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, THAT TARGET DENSITY OF A 9,500 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE. 
          AN ALTERNATIVE FACTOR THAT YOU MAY CONSIDER DURING TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION IS THE FACT THAT THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION AND THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT HAS CHANGED IN IN RECENT MONTHS, AND WE NOW HAVE THE MOUNT CARMEL HOSPITAL, UM, DIRECTLY EAST TO THIS SITE, AND THEN THE BEACON KIND OF CATTYCORNER TO THE NORTHEAST. 
          AND YOU MIGHT CONSIDER IF, IF THERE ARE THESE SPECIAL MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THAT MAY 
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ADJUST WHAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS CONSIDERING. 
          HERE THE SITE IS OVERLAYING ON THE CHARACTER CHARACTER MAP. 
          THIS IS PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY ELEMENT OF ENVISION DUBLIN. 
          AND HERE EMERALD PARKWAY IS NOTED AS A COMMUTER BOULEVARD WITH A TRADITIONAL CHARACTER. 
          IT IS ALSO A CORRIDOR OF SIGNIFICANCE WHERE WE AMPLIFY THE FEATURES THAT ARE MENTIONED HERE, UM, INCLUDING THOSE 100 FOOT SETBACKS TO HELP BLEND WITH ADJACENT USES. 
          THE FORMAL MAINTAINED LANDSCAPE, A FOCUS ON PONDS AND WATER FEATURES. 
          AND THEN VARIABLE BERING BRIGHT ROAD, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS A RIVER CHARACTER CORRIDOR, AND THIS HAS 60 TO 100 FOOT SETBACKS AND A NATURAL CHARACTER WITH WOODLAND PLANTINGS. 
          THE INTEGRATION OF STONE WALLS AND WOOD FENCES AND MORE INFORMAL WATER SWALE AND BERM FEATURES. 
          THESE ARE PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING SITE AND AS YOU SAW, IT'S A A VACANT SITE AT THE MOMENT, AND THESE PARTICULAR VIEWS ARE FROM EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          THESE PHOTOS SHOW THE RESIDENTIAL CONTEXT ALONG BRIGHT ROAD. 
          THIS COMMISSION HAS SEEN SOME PREVIOUS PROPOSALS, INCLUDING CASE 19 1 15, WHICH WAS A CONCEPT PLAN WHERE THE BEACON ACTUALLY CAME OVER ONTO THIS SITE AND OBVIOUSLY THAT HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED. 
          UM, AN INFORMAL PROPOSAL WAS MADE IN 2023 FOR RESIDENTIAL ON A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, THE COMMISSION NOTED AT THAT TIME THAT RESIDENTIAL WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. 
          IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT BOTH OF THESE PROPOSALS WERE MADE UNDER THE PREVIOUS COMMUNITY PLAN AND THAT COMMUNITY PLAN ALLOWED UP TO 12,500 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE. 
          SO LOOKING AT TONIGHT'S PLAN, UH, THE APPLICANT WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS AND I'M JUST GONNA HIGHLIGHT VERY QUICKLY SOME ITEMS. THE MAIN ENTRY IS SHOWN AT THE MOUNT CARMEL ROUNDABOUT. 
          A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT IS SHOWN PRETTY MUCH CONSISTENT WITH THAT FUTURE, UM, I TWO 70 BRIDGE AND THAT ROUNDABOUT, THIS CONFLICT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IF THE PROJECT PROGRESSES. 
          THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE DRAINAGE IS SHOWN HERE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE STORM WATER FEATURES THAT ARE SHOWN. 
          UM, BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH AN EMPHASIZED FEATURE IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, THE CITY'S EXPECTING SOME PUBLIC ACCESS, SOME, SOME REAL ENHANCEMENT OF THAT FEATURE. 
          THE TWO TO FOUR STORY MAIN BUILDING IS SHOWN HERE. 
          AND PLEASE NOTE THE SIZE AND THE MASSING OF THAT BUILDING ADJACENT TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S TWO STORIES, IT IS A LARGE BUILDING. 
          THERE'S ALSO PARKING ON THREE SIDES OF THAT BUILDING, INCLUDING ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          THE FUTURE PHASE NOTED HERE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ONE AND FOUR STORIES, DEPENDING ON THE INFORMATION. 
          UM, IT COULD BE MEDICAL OR RETAIL. 
          AS THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED, THERE IS PARKING AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING, WHICH KIND OF GIVES MORE OF A STRIP CENTER FEEL TO IT. 
          UM, AND I WOULD NOTE THAT RETAIL IS NOT SUPPORTED IN ENVISION. 
          DUBLIN STAFF ALSO FEELS THAT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION HAS SOME REAL POTENTIAL FOR ENHANCED ARCHITECTURE AND EXCELLENT SITE DESIGN BECAUSE IT WILL BE A FOCAL POINT OR A TERMINUS FOR THAT BRIDGE AND THAT ROUNDABOUT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD REALLY BE LEVERAGED. 
          THE ONE STORY VILLAS ARE ON THE WEST EDGE, AND THIS IS TO BUFFER THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL, BUT STAFF FEELS THAT THIS SHOULD REALLY WRAP AROUND THE NORTH SIDE TO BUFFER BRIGHT ROAD AS WELL. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE COMMISSION DID HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, SO YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF YOUR DISCUSSION. 
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WE WILL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION REGARDING THE USES IN THE MASSING. 
          WHAT'S SHOWN HERE IS APPROXIMATELY 18,900 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE, AND WE'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, IS THIS SITUATION MITIGATED BY ADJACENT USES? THE ARCHITECTURAL EXAMPLES WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, UM, AND THE MATERIALS WERE GONE OVER. 
          AND AGAIN, WERE REQUESTING SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT ARCHITECTURE. 
          AND THIS, UH, IS THE ARCHITECTURE FOR THE FUTURE PHASE ON THAT SOUTH SIDE. 
          AND AGAIN, STAFF HAS CONCERN ABOUT KIND OF THE STRIP CENTER NATURE OF THE IMAGES, THE MEDICAL BUILDING IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT. 
          WE NOTE THE VARIETY OF BUILDING HEIGHT AND MATERIALS, AND WE'RE ALSO NOTING THAT THIS IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THAT SPECIAL AREA PLAN VISION AND THE UNIQUE SITE LOCATION. 
          UM, AND THEN RETAIL IS NOT SO MUCH ENVISIONED HERE. 
          SO OUR PROPOSED QUESTIONS RANGE FROM THE BROAD TO THE SPECIFIC. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HOLT. 
          SO TURNING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS. 
          MR. DESLER, YOU'VE HAD A BIT NICE BREAK BACK THERE. 
          SO WHY DON'T WE START WITH YOU . 
          I WAS FULLY EXPECTING THAT, BY THE WAY, . 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          HEY, REAL QUICK. 
          I JU I KNOW WE, WE HAD IT. 
          WHAT, UH, SARAH, WHAT WAS THE, UM, THE BEACON WAS THE CATTY-CORNERED AND THERE'S A PUD NOW FOR THAT. 
          WAS IT THROUGH A, UM, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN? IS THAT WHAT IT'S FOR? THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS, YES. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS APPROVED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE REZONINGS HAS BEEN COMPLETED. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          UM, SO SARAH, A QUESTION FOR YOU THEN. 
          I'M PROBABLY GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT THE SAME THING POTENTIALLY. 
          UH, WHAT WERE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE HAD WITH THE APPLICANT? BECAUSE JUST SPEAKING HONESTLY HERE, I FIND IT A LITTLE OBSCURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAYBE CONSIDER A SIMILAR COMMUNITY, RETIREMENT COMMUNITY, UH, ASSISTED LIVING CADDY CORNERED, AND THIS ONE DOESN'T REALLY MEET ANY OF THE ENVISION DOUBLING CRITERIA OR THE SPECIFIC AREA PLAN REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO MM-HMM . 
          CAN YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHAT CONVERSATIONS YOU HAD WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT, UH, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER FAILURES TO MEET THE CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS THE APPLICANT APPROACH STAFF THROUGH THE OFFICE HOURS, UM, OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE, AND I DID NOT ATTEND THAT OFFICE HOURS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN VISION DUBLIN, THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, UM, THESE DETAILS WERE BROUGHT UP AND CONCERNS WERE RAISED. 
          SO, UM, THE CONCERNS THAT WE'RE RAISING HERE ARE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE MESSAGE THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU MIND COMING UP TO THE PODIUM AND SORT OF THE SAME QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU APPROACHED THE CITY, WHAT, WHAT CONVERSATIONS DID YOU HAVE? WHAT WAS OBVIOUSLY THEIR RESPONSE, AND THEN HOW DID YOU PLAN ON ADDRESSING THOSE, THOSE CONCERNS THAT THEY EXPRESSED? YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS. 
          WE, WE ALSO ENGAGED WITH THE, UM, EAST DUBLIN CIVIC ASSOCIATION AND A COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS THE REZONING THAT OCCURRED WITH THE BEACON WAS A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION. 
          UM, THROUGH THAT REZONING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A FOUR STORY PRODUCT. 
          THE USE WAS DEEMED ACCEPTABLE WITHIN THE SAME PARAMETERS OF WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING HERE. 
          UM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE, WE REALLY THINK THIS IS SORT OF A TEXTBOOK LOCATION FOR THIS TYPE OF TRANSITIONARY HOUSING WHEN A COMMUNITY REALLY NEEDS IT. 
          UM, YOU'VE GOT HEALTHCARE ADJACENT TO THE, UM, DIRECTLY TO THE EAST, AND THEN KNOWING THAT THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT THAT ALSO EMPLOYS 80 PEOPLE AND PROVIDES HEALTHCARE. 
          SO IT REALLY FITS WITHIN THE NARRATIVE OF THAT MEDICAL USE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXPECTATION FOR MEDICAL OFFICE IN THIS CORRIDOR AS WELL. 
          AND SO WE WERE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF MAKE THAT MORE MANAGEABLE, UM, BY ALLOCATING A PORTION OF THIS PROJECT FOR, UH, FUTURE OF MEDICAL OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DID, WHAT OTHER CONSIDERATIONS DID YOU PUT IN FOR THIS PROPERTY? YOU KNOW, AS BEEN DISCUSSED, THE, THE PLAN HAS TALKED ABOUT SOME DIFFERENT KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, MEDICAL OFFICES. 
          OBVIOUSLY I KNOW YOU'RE PROPOSING A LARGE OFFICE BUILDING, BUT WHAT OTHER TYPE 
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OF DESIGN DID YOU HAVE? BECAUSE IN, IN REALITY HERE AND I, AND, AND, UM, IT, IT, IT FEELS AGAIN, FEELS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S, WHAT'S CATTYCORNER AND THIS IS MORE OF A, A PRIMARY USE, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AND THEN THE, THE WHERE THE OFFICE IS SECONDARY. 
          SO I'LL REPHRASE. 
          WHAT OTHER TYPE OF BUILDINGS DID YOU CONSIDER INSTEAD OF, UH, PRIMARILY THE ASSISTED LIVING COMPONENTS THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED? YEAH, I MEAN, UM, FRANKLY WE VIEWED IT VERY SIMILARLY. 
          SO THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THE BEACON BEING PRESENTED WITH A PHASED PLAN, UH, FIRST PHASE BEING INDEPENDENT LIVING AND SLASH ASSISTED LIVING. 
          UM, OUR HIGHER ACUITY SETTING, WHICH IS MORE OF A HEALTHCARE ENVIRONMENT, WAS, WILL BE PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, PHASE ONE. 
          IT'D BE, IT'D BE BUILT ALTOGETHER. 
          SO IN TERMS OF THE PRODUCT, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MASSING AND THE, THE, THE BUILDING HEIGHT WAS, WE REALLY TOOK THOSE CUES FROM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S RESPONSE TO FEELING THAT THE BEACON WAS APPROPRIATE WITHIN THIS CORRIDOR BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS THERE. 
          SO WE FEEL IT'S VERY SIMILAR. 
          DID YOU DO ANY ANALYSIS, UM, WITH SOME OF THE OTHER RETIREMENT AND ASSISTED LIVING COMMUNITIES IN DUBLIN? YEAH, SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOUR PLAN IS COMPLETELY OPPOSITE TO WHAT FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE IS. 
          ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? DID YOU DO ANY ANALYSIS OF THAT COMMUNITY? YOU MEAN IN TERMS OF LIKE WHERE THERE'S THE O THE OWNERSHIP GETTING IN LINE? FOR SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF, IN YOUR ANALYSIS, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU COME UP WITH WITH HOW THAT, UH, THAT YOUR PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE COMPARES TO WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS AN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL, UH, DESIGN AND PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE AT FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          SO I CAN ONLY SPEAK FROM MY EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS, UM, YOU KNOW, FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE BEING A NONPROFIT, SO VERY COMMON ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 
          YOU SEE CONTINUUM CARE RE RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES, IT IS TYPICALLY A NONPROFIT SCENARIO WHERE YOU HAVE THE BUY-IN MODEL AND THAT'S THAT UPFRONT FEE, AND THEN THEY PAY SERVICE FEES. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A, A MONTHLY RENTAL MODEL. 
          SO THIS IS NOT A NON-PROFIT, IT'S A FOR-PROFIT. 
          I FRANKLY NEVER SEEN, I HAVE NOT SEEN PERSONALLY A FOR-PROFIT MODEL THAT HAD THE BUY-IN MODEL. 
          UM, AND SO I CAN ONLY SPECULATE THAT THAT DOESN'T WORK OR MY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT THAT I'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE, I'VE NOT SEEN IT. 
          UM, AND SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE, WE KNOW WORKS AND THESE TYPES OF COMMUNITIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE, ARE FILLING AND THERE'S A HUGE NEED FOR THEM. 
          UM, WE'RE LEASING A VERY SIMILAR PRODUCT ZIONSVILLE RIGHT NOW, AND THE DEMAND IS OFF THE CHARTS. 
          UM, THE AMOUNT OF LEADS THAT WE'RE TRACKING ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT IS SOMETHING I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. 
          AND SO IT DOES TRACK THE DEMOGRAPHICS. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO WHY I INCLUDED THE, THE DISTINCTION BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, WE KNOW WORKS. 
          IT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL IN VERY SIMILAR COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE MIDWEST, AND IT IS A HOUSING TYPE THAT IS REALLY NEEDED. 
          UM, AND THE WHOLE CONCEPT IS VERY SIMILAR TO, UH, FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE IN THE SENSE THAT WE PROVIDE THE EXACT SAME AMENITIES, THE SAME LEVELS OF CARE, THE SAME TYPES OF HOUSING THAT RANGES FROM LOWER ACUITY TO HIGHER ACUITY, BUT THE FINANCIAL SIDE IS MUCH SIMPLER. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS ARE PAYING A MONTHLY FEE AND WITH CARE FEES ON TOP OF THAT, SO THERE'S NO BUY-IN COM COMPONENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          MR. ALEXANDER, SARAH, BEFORE THE BEACON WAS REZONED, WERE THE SAME PARAMETERS ON THAT SITE THAT ARE ON THIS SITE, SUCH AS THE DENSITY OF 9,500 PER SQUARE FOOT? WHAT WAS THE TIMING OF THAT? YEAH, I, I CAN MAYBE WEIGH IN ON THAT. 
          IT'S THE SAME FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, UH, SAME PARAMETERS. 
          THE BEACON STARTED IN 2019, SO IT EVOLVED OVER TIME AND I THINK, UM, OBVIOUSLY STARTED UNDER THE PREVIOUS, UM, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN, BUT BY THE TIME IT WENT THROUGH THE FINAL APPROVALS FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING, UH, AND VISION DUBLIN WAS ADOPTED, UH, IT WENT THROUGH A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS, OBVIOUSLY OVER THOSE YEARS. 
          AND I THINK THE COMMISSION IN THAT CASE, AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL, UM, ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT GIVEN THE, UH, MEDICAL OFFICE THAT'S HAPPENING WITH, OR THE, THE, UH, MOUNT CARMEL USE THAT WAS IN THE PLANNING STAGES AT THE TIME, THE LIFETIME FITNESS TO THE NORTH, AND SOME OF THE A ADJACENT USES THAT THE SYNERGY OF THOSE 
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USES MADE SOME SENSE. 
          AND IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY, I EVEN THOUGH IT EXCEEDED THE, UH, DENSITY MM-HMM . 
          AND EVEN THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN, THE ACTUAL INTENSITY, WE TALKED ABOUT DENSITY AND INTENSITY BEING A MORE RESIDENTIAL USE GEAR TOWARDS SENIOR CITIZENS THAT, UH, THE, EVEN THOUGH IT EXCEEDED THE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE PER ACRE, THE INTENSITY WAS ACCEPTABLE. 
          UM, I WOULD POINT OUT THE DIFFERENCE THOUGH, IN TERMS OF THE LUXURY THAT THE BEACON HAD IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE LARGER BUILDINGS AND THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AND THE STREETS. 
          SO IN THAT CASE, THE TALLER BUILDINGS WERE TO THE NORTH, CLOSER TO LIFETIME FITNESS AND A AND A STREAM IN THERE. 
          AND THE ONE STORY BUILDING IS ALONG THE BRIGHT ROAD FRONT. 
          IT'S, UH, THAT, THAT'S THE ONE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE SARAH, I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION. 
          UM, THE DRAINAGE FEATURE, AND YOU STAFF REPORT MENTIONS YOU WANT THAT TO BE A PART OF OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          DO YOU SEE THE SHARED USE PATH THAT THAT ACTUALLY COMES DOWN ALONG THERE AND IT TIES INTO THE SHARED USE PATH? OR HOW DO YOU SEE THAT? I MIGHT DEFER TO TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I CAN, WE CAN SEE, UM, LET ME GO BACK TO, LET ME GO BACK TO THIS MAP. 
          UM, THERE IS A FOCAL NODE, YOU CAN'T SEE MY  CURSOR OF COURSE, BUT THERE'S A FOCAL POINT IN FRONT OF MOUNT CARMEL HOSPITAL AND THEN IT TRAVERSES MM-HMM . 
          TO THE WEST, UM, LEADING UP TO THE SCHOOL AND, UM, A A STAND OF TREES AND A MUCH MORE DEFINED DRAINAGE WAY. 
          SO IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, ESPECIALLY, UM, AS A COMMUNITY WHERE MAYBE THAT BECOMES A FOCAL POINT THAT YOU COULD ORGANIZE THE BUILD BUILDINGS AROUND. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, I THINK SARAH SAID THAT. 
          WELL, AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY TO AND THROUGH THE SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          DID, DID THIS, WERE YOU AWARE OF THIS AS YOU WERE PUTTING YOUR PLAN TOGETHER? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION AFTER YOU HAD YOUR PLAN? UH, THE PROPOSED RIVERWAY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. 
          THE LOCATION OF THAT IS NEW TO ME. 
          WHEN WE HAD OUR, LIKE INFORMAL REVIEW WITH, I THINK IT WAS PUBLIC WORKS, WE LOOKED AT GENERAL LOCATIONS OF THE PONDS ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND THOSE WERE INDICATED TO BE IN GENERALLY THE RIGHT LOCATION. 
          BUT, UM, CERTAINLY ENGINEERING'S NOT BEEN DONE YET. 
          'CAUSE THIS LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD GO RIGHT THROUGH YOUR PARKING LOT. 
          IT, IT IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED BASED ON THE WAY THE SITE CURRENTLY CURRENTLY DRAINS OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          DO YOU THINK YOU COULD INCORPORATE IT AND ARE THERE ISSUES WITH PUBLIC COMING THROUGH YOUR SITE? UM, YEAH, I THINK THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE WOULD BE, WHICH WE'RE, WE KNOW WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IS, UM, BY THE TIME YOU MOVE VILLAS TO BRIGHT ROAD, TO TRANSITION ONE STORY TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND PUSH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH, UM, WE'D, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT OKAY. 
          YEAH, IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          AND IT, I THINK THAT'S A, ACTUALLY COULD BE A REALLY NICE FEATURE FOR THE SITE TO HAVE SORT OF THAT NATURAL RIVERWAY RUNNING THROUGH THERE WITH SOME BENCHES AND PATHWAYS AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU MS. HART. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, UH, THIS WHOLE EVENING. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT, , IN YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, HOW WAS YOUR CONVERSATION WITH THE EAST DUBLIN CIVIC ASSOCIATION? UM, YEAH, SO OUR INITIAL INTERACTIONS, UM, SO WE ARE COMMUNICATING THROUGH THE PRESIDENT OF THAT ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, INITIAL FEEDBACK WAS VERY MINIMAL. 
          ACTUALLY. 
          WE HAD ONE POSITIVE COMMENT THAT THEY THOUGHT THIS TYPE OF USE, WHICH IS A TRANSITIONARY USE FROM MORE COMMERCIAL HOSPITAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL WAS APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, I THINK WE ALSO HAVE RECEIVED A FEW MORE COMMENTS SINCE THEN THAT ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE STAFF'S REPORT. 
          UH, ALL THE SAME THINGS THAT, UM, HAVE BEEN RAISED ALREADY TONIGHT, WHICH WE RESPECT AND ACKNOWLEDGE AND WILL ADDRESS IS, UH, TYPICALLY IT'S BUILDING HEIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK THE ONE THING THEY SEEM TO BE APPRECIATIVE OF IS LIKE LIMITING ACCESS ONTO BRIGHT ROAD. 
          SO, AND WE'RE ALREADY A VERY LOW TRAFFIC USE ANYWAY, UM, BUT LIMITING ACCESS OFF TO BRIGHT ROAD AND THEN TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT HOW WE'RE TRANSITIONING THAT BUILDING HEIGHT FROM, YOU KNOW, LOWER TOWARDS BRIGHT ROAD AS WE EN ENCOUNTER THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER IF A TRAFFIC STUDY IS NEEDED OR NOT. 
          UM, THIS WOULD BE A REZONING, SO YES, IT WOULD BE NECESSARY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK 
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YOU. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE VILLAS, UM, THEY SET BACK TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL. 
          IS THERE, UM, LIKE HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL IF FACING 'EM A DIFFERENT WAY OR MOVING 'EM UP A LITTLE BIT? UM, AND IF I CAN, MR. DESLER WAS MENTIONING ALSO, UM, THE DIFFERENCE IS I DON'T BELIEVE THE BEACON HAS VILLAS. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S A, A RESIDENTIAL LIKE INDEPENDENT KIND OF THING. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH, CORRECT. 
          THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL THAT THEY DON'T, THEY DO NOT HAVE VILLAS. 
          UM, OUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IS THAT THE VILLAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE APARTMENT STYLE LIVING ARE HIGHLY DESIRABLE, UM, WHEN YOU CAN AMENITIZE THEM WITH THE POOL AND WITH THE DINING PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO A NUMBER OF VILLAS ON AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE THINK IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY SETS THIS APART THAT REALLY DOES GO BACK. 
          YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE CONVERSATION, THEY HAVE A HANDFUL OF VILLAS, EXTREMELY HIGH DEMAND. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OTHER SENIORS HOUSING WITHIN DUBLIN OR POWELL OR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, UM, IT'S TYPICALLY JUST AN APARTMENT STYLE STRUCTURE. 
          IT'S A LARGE BUILDING, UM, WITH, WITHOUT THAT COMMUNITY FEEL. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CREATE HERE IS THAT WALKABILITY, LOTS OF GREEN SPACE, UM, AMENITIZE, ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, AND THAT VILLAS, THOSE VILLAS PLAY A, A PRETTY CRITICAL COMPONENT TO THAT. 
          IS THERE ENOUGH OF A BUFFER WITH THE RESIDENTS AND SO FORTH WITH WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING THE, UM, VILLAS? UM, DO YOU MEAN WITH RESPECT TO, I THOUGHT THERE WAS RESIDENTIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE VILLAS. 
          I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THAT EARLIER. 
          UM, YOU MEAN OFF ADJACENT? THERE'S A, THERE'S A HOME THERE. 
          YEAH, THERE'S A HOME, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE HOME THAT'S TO THE WEST OF US IS, UH, VACANT. 
          IT'S BOARDED UP CURRENTLY. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THERE ARE, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING, SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE MENTIONING THAT WITH THE VILLAS BEING CLOSE TO PRIVATE OR THAT AREA THAT WAY. 
          SO, AND THEN WOULD YOU NEED TO BE AFFILIATED WITH A HOSPITAL AT ALL, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WORK WITH SINCE YOU'RE ACROSS THE STREET FROM MOUNT CARMEL? YEAH, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN-HOUSE THERAPY. 
          UM, SO, UH, WE ACTUALLY OWN A, A THERAPY COMPANY THAT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE COUNTRY THAT OFFICES OUT OF THIS BUILDING. 
          SO THEY PROVIDE PT, UM, OT, SPEECH THERAPY, FULL WELLNESS PROGRAM. 
          THEY DO RESIDENT ENGAGEMENT, UM, AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT THERE TYPICALLY IS A RELATIONSHIP WITH A HOSPITAL. 
          SO THERE WILL BE A RESIDENT PHYSICIAN THAT HAS AN AFFILIATION, UM, AND WILL COME TO THE BUILDING TO, YOU KNOW, DO MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS WITHIN THE, THE, WITHIN OUR BUILDING, BUT FROM MOUNT CARMEL. 
          OKAY. 
          IT COULD BE MOUNT CARMEL. 
          YES. 
          UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE SET UP SEPARATELY. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I GUESS THE LAST THING I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT TOO IS, UM, YOUR PARKING SEEMS MINIMAL, WHICH IS, IS IT THAT YOU DON'T NEED AS MUCH OR IS IT JUST NOT SHOWING? YEAH. 
          UM, WHAT'S ON THE PLAN IS, IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE. 
          TYPICALLY, FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WE'D HAVE ABOUT 0.9 SPACES OKAY. 
          FOR THE, UH, MAIN BUILDING. 
          AND THEN EACH OF THE VILLAS WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, ONE AND A HALF TO TWO, TWO CAR GARAGE IN THE MEDICAL BUILDING. 
          YOU ARE, UM, PUTTING THAT ASIDE, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S DOWN THE ROAD. 
          UH, BUT YOU WANT US TO COMMENT ON IT OR, UM, YEAH, I THINK WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO AT THIS POINT IS, IS SET THAT LAND ASIDE, UM, WE WOULD WORK WITH A PARTNER TO DEVELOP THAT. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DO MEDICAL OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, SO WE WOULD BRING IN SOMEBODY ELSE THAT HAS MORE EXPERTISE AROUND THAT. 
          WE WOULD SPEAK WITH, YOU KNOW, THE BROKERAGE COMMUNITY WITH, UH, WITHIN THIS AREA TO IDENTIFY WHAT IS APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING TO SET THAT ASIDE AND, AND MAKE THAT COMMITMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING REALLY NICE FOR THE CITY, KNOWING THAT THE, THAT OVERPASS IS GONNA HAPPEN RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          WE'RE WILLING TO HAVE ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND MAKE THOSE COMMITMENTS AND DO SOMETHING REALLY NEAT THERE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. 
          YES. 
          AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE, THE BEING HERE IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          I, I DON'T, I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DETERMINATION KIND OF BIGGER PICTURE ON IF THIS TYPE OF FACILITY MAKES SENSE. 
          SO I'LL TRY NOT TO GET DOWN IN THE WEEDS TOO MUCH, BUT I'M GOING TO FOR A SECOND SO WE CAN KINDA UNDERSTAND YOUR VISION. 
          THE, THE, DOES THIS WORK, IF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING IS NOT FOUR STORIES, IS IT, IS IT TWO STORIES? COULD IT BE, COULD YOU REDUCE THE HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDING? UM, WE HAVE DONE THE INDEPENDENT LIVING IN THREE STORIES BEFORE. 
          UM, WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS PLAN BASED ON, ESPECIALLY THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS RIVERWAY, UM, IS GONNA IMPACT THE WAY THAT THE SITE LAYS OUT. 
          SURE. 
          UM, I THINK THE IMPLICATION OF THAT, UM, WILL BE THAT WE, WE PROBABLY NEED THE FOUR STORIES IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXTRA GREEN SPACE AROUND THE SITE. 
          UM, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY, WE CAN 
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CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I THINK KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT SEVERAL TIMES NOW, BECAUSE IT, AND I'M REALLY GLAD YOU SAID THIS WAS ANOTHER PROJECT YOU DID THAT YOU PUT ON THE SITE BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT . 
          THE JUST IT NEEDS TO BE, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          I ASSUME YOU, YOU, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE MAIN ENTRY IS, SEEMS TO BE OFF. 
          SO THERE'S, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY WILLING TO WORK AND, AND CITE IT MUCH BETTER THAN IT AGAIN, I KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU DID, WHY YOU DID, I JUST, THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU WOULD COME BACK WITH A BETTER SITE SCENARIO. 
          MY QUESTION ALSO IS PART OF HOW DOES THE, AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S HIGHLY CONCEPTUAL, I HATE TO GET DOWN, BUT HOW DID THE, YOU SAID THE VILLAS HAVE THE, THE SAME AMENITIES AS THE MAIN BUILDING, THE DINING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          I ASSUME THERE'D BE WALKING PATHS AND LITTLE, I MEAN, WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE DOESN'T HAVE THAT MUCH CONNECTIVITY, BUT YOU WOULD ASSUME WOULD HAVE MORE CONNECTIVITY AND MORE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE MAIN BUILDING. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE WANT THIS TO FEEL LIKE ONE COHESIVE, WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR, FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          UM, AND ONE THING WE WOULD LIKELY DO ONCE WE RECONFIGURE THE BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, ON THE END OF THE BUILDING THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE, THE VILLAS, UM, WE TYPICALLY INTEGRATE A, LIKE A CLUBHOUSE OF, OF SORTS, UM, WHERE WE DO SOME ADDITIONAL AMENITIES IN THERE, LIKE A BISTRO AND, UM, AN ADDITIONAL DINING SPACE SO THAT THAT WILL BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE VILLAS. 
          AND SO THAT IT DOES INTEGRATE A LOT BETTER THAN, THAN THIS. 
          AND YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT. 
          UH, THAT'S WHY I INDICATED IT'S KIND OF A TEST FIT. 
          SURE. 
          BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. 
          UM, WHEN WE RECONFIGURE THE SITE, ASSUMING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY FEELS THE USE IS APPROPRIATE, THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, TAKE ALL THIS FEEDBACK AND COME UP WITH A, A SITE PLAN THAT FITS THE, FITS THE SITE MUCH BETTER. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHINOOK. 
          UM, MS. WASKOWITZ, , I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          I, TOP TO BOTTOM, SO ON THIS PLAN, THERE'S A, THE PROPERTY LINE IN BRIGHT ROAD ARE NOT MATCHING UP WITH ME. 
          THAT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE PROPERTY LINE'S ON THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD, SO WE WOULDN'T BE PUTTING TREES. 
          WHERE WE'RE I, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE SITE PLAN AND I MAYBE YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY OF BRIGHT ROAD IS HOW, IS, HOW IS THAT, IS THIS DEPICTED ACCURATELY ON THIS PLAN? SO MY GUESS IS THAT THIS IS AN OLD COUNTY PARCEL THAT PROBABLY ACTUALLY DID EXTEND TO BRIGHT ROAD OR EVEN INTO THE PAVEMENT WITH A PRO OR A PRESENT ROAD OCCUPIED EASEMENT OVER IT THAT WOULD BE CLEANED UP AS THIS PROCESS, UM, CONTINUED. 
          SO WOULD IT BE, COULD WE ASSUME THAT THE, WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS SHOWN WHERE IT SAYS BRIGHT ROAD, THAT THAT WOULD BASICALLY EXTEND ALONG AND THAT PART YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE WOULD BE A DEDICATED OKAY. 
          PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THERE. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'M JUST, AGAIN, JUST TO COMMENT THAT THAT'S LOOKS A LITTLE WEIRD RIGHT NOW, , BUT SO I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND HOW IT EVOLVED THOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. 
          UM, THE ACCESS FROM THE ROUNDABOUT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE THE PRIMARY ACCESS TO THIS SITE. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THIS IS GETTING SPECIFICS THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT, BUT THEY SHOW A ROUNDABOUT RIGHT AFTER THE ROUNDABOUT, THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN PROBABLY LIKE THAT. 
          NOT WITH THE SPACING THAT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AGAIN, SOMETHING TO BE WORKED OUT AND THEN WHERE THE BRIDGE COMES ACROSS AND INTERSECTS WITH EMERALD PARKWAY, WOULD THAT BE A ROUNDABOUT AT THAT INTERSECTION? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING NOW. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY MORE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE THROUGH THAT PUBLIC PROJECT, BUT, UH, WE ARE SHOWING A, A ROUNDABOUT FOOTPRINT AS A PREFERRED INTERSECTION WITH EMERALD PARKWAY, WHICH WOULD LEAD ONE TO BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER MAJOR ACCESS INTO THE SITE. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD REALLY CHANGE THE WAY THAT A LOT OF THIS YOU WOULD LOOK AT, BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE, YOU COME IN AND THEN YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT CIRCULATION TO THAT ROUNDABOUT. 
          AND THAT WOULD, I THINK, ALTER THE, THE FRAMEWORK THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED HERE. 
          WE WOULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PERFORM A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY FOR THE PDP SUBMISSION AS, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TONIGHT AS WELL, AND DETERMINE IF ACCESS WOULD BE CONSIDERED ON THAT PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. 
          UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT HAPPENING RIGHT THERE , SO WE WOULD WORK THROUGH THAT, THROUGH THE TIS. 
          YEAH, IT'S, I JUST THINKING ABOUT ALL THAT WOULD HAVE JUST A HUGE IMPACT ON THIS PLAN. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, SARAH, UM, THE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR, UM, RIGHT NOW THIS IS, UH, IS THIS A FARM FIELD? IS THIS USED FOR CROPS STILL? IT'S VACANT, RIGHT? IT IS VACANT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT IT'S BEEN AGRICULTURAL OVER TIME AND IT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN, YES. 
          SO, SO IN THAT PROCESS, DID THE, THAT RIP REPAIRING CORRIDOR KIND OF GET FILLED IN AND KIND OF, IT DOESN'T, I MEAN THERE'S NO TREES THERE THAT DEFINE IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I'M JUST TRYING, IS THERE, IS THE, DOES THE GRADING IMPLY THAT THAT'S A DRAINAGE AREA THROUGH THERE, OR 
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ARE I'M TRYING TO ESTABLISH THAT. 
          I, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO IDENTIFY THAT CORRIDOR, BUT IT, IT'S NOT THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'RE GONNA CREATE IT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO IT COULD HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY EXACTLY WHERE IT IS. 
          IT COULD INDEED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE DO HAVE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE STORM WATER FROM MOUNT CARMEL COMES OUT JUST NORTH OF THAT ROUNDABOUT FOR THE MAIN ENTRY, AND THEN IT, IT KIND OF FEEDS INTO THAT DRAINAGE. 
          SO IT'S OVERLAND AND IT'S NOT PIPED. 
          CORRECT. 
          I WAS GONNA, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND IF YOU GO TO THE PARCEL, JUST TO THE WEST, YOU CAN SEE THAT SQUARE OF TREES AND THEN THE LINE OF TREES THAT KIND OF COMES UP A LITTLE BIT, KIND OF WIGGLES THROUGH THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT IS THE DRAINAGE THAT, THAT KEEPS SORT OF COMING ACROSS THIS WHOLE WAY AND EVENTUALLY ENDS UP DOWN IN THE SCIOTO RIVER AND THROUGH THE PARK. 
          GREAT. 
          PERFECT. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          UM, APPLICANT. 
          UM, SO SO YOU'VE DONE A TEST FIT USING A MODEL, UH, FOR A FACILITY THAT YOU'VE BUILT ELSEWHERE. 
          ARE THERE OTHER MODELS THAT YOU HAVE THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION THAT MIGHT BE MORE AMENABLE TO THIS SITE AND THE LIMITATIONS THAT IT HAS THAT YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND GOOD QUESTION. 
          AND ABSOLUTELY JUST, I WANNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR ON THAT, THAT, UM, SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD DO A SPECIFIC BUILDING FOR THIS SITE, UH, APPROXIMATELY SAME UNIT COUNT. 
          SO THE REASON THAT THAT BUILDING WAS USED, BECAUSE IS 'CAUSE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE, UM, BASED ON THE ENGINEERING AND ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THIS SITE, WE WOULD DEVELOP A CONCEPT THAT THAT ADDRESSES ALL OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD TONIGHT. 
          FOR SURE. 
          SO AGAIN, I WAS JUST TRYING TO ESTABLISH HOW MUCH AS WE GIVE YOU COMMENTS, HOW MUCH FLEXIBILITY DO YOU HAVE IN MORPHING THAT SHAPE INTO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE NOW? WE HAVE A TON OF FLEXIBILITY AND WE CAN MAKE IT WHATEVER, UM, THE CITY FEELS IS APPROPRIATE. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THE BIG THING IS, IS THE LAND USE, THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, THE TYPES OF USES WITHIN THE BUILDING, UM, AND THE APPROXIMATE UNIT COUNTS IS REALLY WHAT, AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE CAN TAKE THAT FEEDBACK AND WE CAN ADAPT A BUILDING TO THE SITE THAT, THAT REALLY SORT OF IS COHESIVE AROUND THE ACCESS AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT AND THIS RIVERWAY AND SOME OF THE AR UH, THE CIVIL ITEMS. GREAT. 
          UM, AND I, AND THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A QUESTION, BUT HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU ACTUALLY LIKE DRIVEN UP TO MOUNT CARMEL THE HOSPITAL AND KIND OF EXPERIENCE THAT? YEAH, IT'S NICE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU APPRECIATE THE AMOUNT OF DESIGN EFFORT IT WENT INTO ESTABLISHING THAT. 
          YEP. 
          KIND OF. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE CHARACTER THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE EXTEND. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE, ANYWAY. 
          YEP. 
          NO, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND EVEN THE ROUNDABOUTS, THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING, THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S BEEN PUT IN IS EXACTLY WHY WE THINK THIS SITE IS SO GREAT. 
          UM, AND WE WOULD MIMIC THAT THROUGHOUT OUR DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. 
          GREAT. 
          THAT IS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD TURNING BACK TO THE COMMISSION. 
          ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT NOW AND THANK THANK YOU APPLICANT. 
          YEAH, WILL COME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COME BACK. 
          THE MICROPHONE IS ON, SO YOU JUST NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          WELL, THANK YOU MR. WAY. 
          AND COMMISSIONERS, IT'S GETTING LATE. 
          I'LL BE BRIEF. 
          I'M RANDY ROTH, UH, 6 9 8 7 GRANDE CLIFFS DRIVE. 
          UM, I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF THE, UH, EAST DUBLIN CIVIC ASSOCIATION. 
          I'VE BEEN AN OFFICER SINCE ITS FOUNDING IN 1988. 
          I'M GETTING OLD. 
          UM, AND I WANTED TO SET TO THANK THE APPLICANT, UH, FOR CONTACTING OUR PRESIDENT, AMY CRAM. 
          AMY HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SET UP A MEETING WITH YOU, AND SO WE HAVEN'T, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY SAY ABOUT THIS IS A CIVIC ASSOCIATION, BUT CERTAINLY WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM AMY AND I HAVE HEARD SO FAR IS THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO STAY CLOSE TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THAT THIS SEEMS TO DEVIATE QUITE A BIT FROM THAT PLAN. 
          UM, WE HAVE NEVER BEEN OPPOSED TO HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, OUR ASSOCIATION, WE'VE SUPPORTED BRIGHT, UH, BRIDGE STREET. 
          WE WERE EVEN WILLING IN THE PAST TO GO HIGHER THAN THE MOUNT CARMEL BUILDINGS DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE ALONG, UH, SAWMILL ROAD. 
          WE SUPPORTED THE FOUR STORY BUILDING THERE ON THE ASSISTED LIVING REHAB CENTER, WHICH IS NORTH OF BRIGHT ROAD. 
          BUT NOTICE THAT THAT STEPS DOWN. 
          YOU APPROVE FOUR STORIES CLOSEST TO SAWMILL AND THEN IT'S ALREADY STEPPING DOWN AS WE GET TOWARDS EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          AND SO WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO, I I'M SURE THAT MY, MY NEIGHBORS WOULD LIKE TO STICK CLOSE TO THE 
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TWO STORIES, UM, FOR THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, AND THE DENSITY OF THIS IS REALLY TWICE WHAT WE HAD ENVISIONED IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE PER ACRE. 
          UM, THE OTHER CONCERNS ARE REALLY ABOUT, ONE OF 'EM IS ABOUT TRAFFIC CIRCULATION. 
          UM, I WAS INVOLVED IN, WHEN WE FIRST WERE THINKING ABOUT THIS SITE AS MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY PLANT STEERING COMMITTEE YEARS AGO, AND WE WANTED TO SOMEHOW FIND A WAY TO EN ENSURE THAT THIS 18 ACRES AND THE 20 ACRES TO THE WEST WOULD HAVE INTERNAL CIRCULATION, RIGHT? SO THAT ALTHOUGH, AND WE WOULD HAVE ONE CURB CUT ONTO BRIGHT ROAD AND THE WAY THIS IS DRAWN, THAT NEXT PARCEL CAN'T GET TO THAT CURB CUT ON BRIGHT ROAD IF YOU LOOK AT HOW IT'S DONE. 
          SO THERE'S NO WAY TO GET THERE. 
          YOU'D HAVE TO DO MORE CURB CUTS AND THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THAT INTERNAL CIRCULATION THE WAY THIS IS DRIVEN. 
          THERE'S NO EAST WEST CONNECTOR OR STUB THERE THAT COULD BE USED TO DO THAT. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING IN TERMS OF A TRAFFIC POINT OF VIEW, HAVE AS MUCH INTERNAL CIRCULATION AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY HAVE WITH THIS ASSISTED LIVING MEDICAL OFFICE BUSINESS PARK, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO. 
          AND FINALLY, REALLY, UM, TO PRESERVE WHAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER OF BRIGHT ROAD. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE NORTHERN END OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A STREET WITH A THIN, UM, THIN SCREENING OF TREES. 
          UM, UH, THERE'S A NICE SETBACK ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, BUT REALLY NOT MUCH TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER OF BRIGHT ROAD. 
          AND SO THOSE ARE THREE THINGS THAT COME TO MIND FROM ME AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR FROM MY NEIGHBORS. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT REALLY READY YET AND WE WE'RE WILLING TO TALK WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THIS, UH, AND SEE WHERE WE COME DOWN SO I CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK FOR THE ASSOCIATION. 
          THANKS SO MUCH MR. WAY AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, 1, 2, 3. 
          PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED AND WE'D NOW LIKE TO GO INTO DELIBERATIONS. 
          SARAH, IF YOU'D PULL UP THE QUESTIONS. 
          JAMIE . 
          HE DID IT LAST TIME. 
          . 
          GO AHEAD MR. CHINOOK. 
          YEAH, I GUESS, UH, AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE, A LOT OF THE APPRECIATE BEING HERE, THE, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS BROUGHT UP ON THE SITE, I THINK WE'RE STILL A WAYS AWAY. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF SITE DEVELOPMENT. 
          I, I GUESS IN TERMS OF THE SPIRIT OF ENVISION DE, AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF THIS USE 'CAUSE IT DEVIATES SIGNIFICANTLY, WELL, IT DEVIATES FROM, FROM WHAT OUR, UH, ENVISION DUBLIN HAS INTENDED FOR THIS SITE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, THERE'S A LOT OF, AS WE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT, A LOT OF UM, UH, I GUESS ANCILLARY ITEMS THAT ARE GONNA AFFECT THE, THE OVERALL LAYOUT AND THE UH, UH, POSITIONING ON THE SITE. 
          I KNOW YOU ASKED FOR SOME FEEDBACK ON THE ARCHITECTURE OR CHARACTER. 
          I DID WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT. 
          I DO THINK THAT AS YOU, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE SEEN THE MOUNT CARMEL BUILDING. 
          IT'S, IT'S VERY PROMINENT, VERY MODERN. 
          SO I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD TRY TO KIND OF MAYBE BLEND A LITTLE BIT OF THAT MODERNIZATION OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL ASPECTS OF IT TOO. 
          SO SOME OF THE STUFF THAT YOU HAD HAVE SHOWED SHARED SO FAR, A LITTLE MORE TRADITIONAL, UM, IN NATURE RESIDENTIALLY. 
          BUT I, I THINK THERE'S A NICE, IT COULD BE A NICE BLEND OF THAT MODERNIZATION OF WHAT'S KIND OF HAPPENING AND THE IDEA OF THAT AREA. 
          AGAIN, BLEND WITH THE, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT WERE DEVIATING A LITTLE BIT BEYOND WHAT THE ENVISION DUBLIN HAS APPROVED FOR THE SITE. 
          MS. HARGER, UM, I WOULD ALSO AGREE, I THINK IT DOES, UM, DEVIATE US AND, UM, IN THE WRONG DIRECTION OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ALSO, UM, JUST THE DENSITY OF IT AND UH, UM, THE VILLAS PROBABLY TO ME AREN'T FITTING IN THAT AREA AS WELL TOO. 
          SO, UM, A COUPLE OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS JUST DOESN'T, UM, SEEM TO BE WORKING. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE THE TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD BE IMPORTANT, UM, TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN, IN HOW THAT ALL THAT AREA'S GONNA GO. 
          BUT, UM, THE, AND FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T KNOW WHEN YOU WOULD DO THE MEDICAL OFFICE AND IT, AND THEN IF IT DIDN'T WORK OUT, THEN WE'VE GOT THAT SPACE. 
          AND IN THE PAST WE'VE ALL BEEN VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT KIND OF ISSUE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER. 
          WHEN I SEE THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN, ISN'T IT CALL FOR NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, OFFICE MEDICAL, WE SUPPORTING USES OF INSTITUTIONAL AND ASSISTED LIVING? THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. 
          SO IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE PLAN IN, IN ONE SENSE BUILDINGS TO BE ONE TO TWO STORIES 
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THAT, THAT IT DOES NOT COMPLY. 
          BUT I DO THINK THE PROPOSED USE COMPLIES. 
          UM, SO I, I, YOU KNOW, I GENERALLY AM SUPPORTIVE BECAUSE I THINK IT IS RESPONSIVE. 
          I ALSO DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. 
          I KNOW THE CODE CHANGED, BUT WE HAVE ONE STANDARD FOR BEACON AND THEN WE IMPOSE ANOTHER STANDARD ON THIS APPLICANT. 
          AND IN FACT THEIR DENSITY IS LESS THAN BEACONS. 
          SO, I MEAN, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE DENSITY, UM, THAT THERE, I REALIZED THE CODE CHANGED, BUT, UM, I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE DENSITY, PARTICULARLY IN THIS LOCATION. 
          UM, THE FOUR STORY BUILDING ACTS IS KIND OF A LANDMARK. 
          WHEN YOU COME, YOU COME DOWN BRIGHT ROAD AND YOU HAVE THAT ROUNDABOUT THERE, IT ACTS MARKS THAT POINT. 
          I MEAN, I COULD, I COULD BE CONVINCED THAT THAT BUILDING COULD BE FOUR STORIES. 
          I, I THINK I AGREE WITH THE STAFF ABOUT THE NATURAL FEATURES. 
          I THINK THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS YOUR TWO IMAGES SHOW, YOU SHOW ONE WITH STONE AND ONE WITH BRICK. 
          YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT AWARE HOW IMPORTANT STONE IS TO THIS COMMUNITY. 
          THERE WERE A SERIES OF QUARRIES ALONG THE RIVER. 
          ANYTIME YOU BUILD, THERE'S TONS OF STONE, STONE WALLS THAT YOU SEE. 
          SO I THINK YOUR IMAGE WITH THE STONE IS, UM, BEGINS TO RESPOND TO THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THANK YOU MR. DRESSLER. 
          YOU, YOU CAN DISAGREE. 
          I, I MAY I I WANT CLARITY THOUGH. 
          I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT OVER TO THE CITY, MAYBE THAT ON THIS ONE. 
          OKAY, SO WE HAVE, THIS KIND OF CAME UP IN THE FIRST CASE TODAY. 
          WE HAD THE PRINCIPAL USE RIGHT IN THE SECONDARY USE. 
          WELL, WHAT CONTROLS, IF THE PRINCIPLE USE IS THE ENTIRE OR THE, IF THE SECONDARY USE IS THE ENTIRETY OF THE LAND, THAT WOULD BE A PRINCIPLE USE. 
          AM I THINKING OF THAT CORRECTLY OR IS THE SECONDARY USE MEANING IT'S SOMETHING SMALLER, COMPLIMENTARY. 
          SOME, SOME SOMETHING OF, OF THAT NATURE. 
          IT'S SUPPORTING TOO, WHICH I THINK IS A RIGHT, IT'S A SUPPORTING USE AS OPPOSED TO SECONDARY THING. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PUTTING THE PRIMARY USE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          YEAH, I I THINK THAT THAT'S A FAIR WAY OF CATEGORIZING THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          DISTINCTION. 
          SO, I MEAN, I WANT TO, I, I DO WANT TO ADDRESS, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET TO THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE AND SIX EVEN, UH, CONSIDERING HERE, BASED ON THE, THE PHRASING, I WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE THE APPLICANT DIRECTION. 
          I THINK IT'S FAIR AT THIS POINT. 
          THERE'S FIVE OF US. 
          I KNOW WE'RE MISSING TWO. 
          I MEAN, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF HAVING A, AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY OF THIS MAGNITUDE TAKING UP A PRIMARY USE ON THIS LAND. 
          I KIND OF WANNA THROW THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          WE KNOW WHERE GARY STANDS. 
          KIM, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU YET. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, JAMIE AND KATHY, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT IT KIND OF SOUNDED LIKE THAT YOU WERE ALSO NOT IN FAVOR OF HAVING THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, BE THE PRIMARY PRINCIPAL USE ON THIS LAND. 
          THAT FAIR? OKAY. 
          I THINK, AND I'LL, I'LL LET YOU CAN SPEAK. 
          I'M NOT TAKING IT AWAY. 
          SO JUST REAL QUICK, I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I THINK THE AREA DOES NEED, UH, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, THIS MAGNITUDE. 
          I THINK THERE'S A WANT FOR THAT. 
          I THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT. 
          YOU'VE CERTAINLY DIAGNOSED THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD SUPPORT IT. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, IN THIS LOCATION, BASED ON WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, IT'S LIKE FIRST TO MARKET ALMOST. 
          THEY SPENT A LONG TIME THE PROPOSAL, IT'S DIFFERENT BEING ON SELL MILL ROAD AND THE, THE NATURE OF HOW THAT LAND, IT'S, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT. 
          THIS, THE EXPOSURE ON THIS PROPERTY IS SO MUCH MORE VISIBLE FROM CITY ACCESS AND PEOPLE COMING INTO THE CITY THAT BASED ON THE ENVISION DUBLIN PAN AND THE, THOSE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE EVALUATED AND DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, I'M JUST NOT CERTAIN THAT IT MEETS THAT. 
          NOW COULD THERE BE A MEMORY CARE BUILDING PERHAPS, OR SOME COMPONENT THEREOF RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, ONE TO TWO STORY OFFICES THAT ARE PRESCRIBED IN THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN? CERTAINLY, UH, WITH REDUCED DENSITY AS REQUESTED BY THE CITY AND BASED ON SOME OF THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION COMMENTS, I THINK THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE SUPPORTIVE. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE GET TO 3, 4, 5, AND SIX ON THIS BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE PROPOSED USE OF THE LAND, UH, BASED ON THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I GO NOW? ? SO I, 
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I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE SYMPATHY HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, EMERALD PARKWAY WAS DESIGNED TO BE A MAJOR BUSINESS ADDRESS IN THE CITY. 
          AND SO LAND ON EACH SIDE OF IT IS HIGHLY VALUED LAND FOR OFFICE, MAJOR INSTITUTIONAL USES. 
          AND SO AGAIN, THIS SITE IS, BECAUSE IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE, NOT THE HIGHWAY SIDE, STILL DESIGNATED AS A, AS A OFFICE USE, UM, I THINK HAS BEEN FURTHER REINFORCED BY THE FACT THAT A NEW HOSPITAL'S BEEN BUILT NEXT TO IT, WHICH MAKES THIS A PRIME SITE FOR MEDICAL OFFICE, WHICH WOULD BE, AGAIN, VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE CITY HAS BEEN ALWAYS PROJECTING FOR THIS AREA, UM, AS A PRIMARY USE. 
          SO I THINK THE, IM, THE IMPORTANT KIND OF FRONTAGE FOR THAT TYPE OF USE IS EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          SO I COULD SEE ADDITIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, BUT THE QUESTION IS, COULD YOU INTEGRATE SOMETHING ELSE BEHIND IT THAT WOULD BE MORE SYMPATHETIC TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT CONFIGURATION. 
          SO COULD THERE BE A LINEAR BUILDING THAT THAT FACES TO THE VACANT SIDE SITE TO THE WEST AND THAT YOU HAD OFFICE THEN FRONTING ONTO THE STREET AND THAT WOULD THEN GIVE THE CHARACTER THAT I THINK THE CITY ENVISIONS FOR EMERALD PARKWAY WITH A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER, THE LANDSCAPE PARKING BEHIND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          AND THEN THE RIPARIAN QUARTER,  DIVIDING IT. 
          SO THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOMETHING COULD BE INTEGRATED IN HERE THAT ALLOWS FOR THE ASSISTED LIVING TO BE A SUPPORTING USE TO A MEDICAL OFFICE, UM, SETTING WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM MEDICAL CARE AND INCLUDING PA PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE ASSISTED LIVING BUILDING. 
          SO IT'S A, IT'S, THERE'S A KIND OF A SYNERGY. 
          AND SO AGAIN, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN THERE? I THINK RIGHT NOW THE ASSISTED LIVING IS THE PRIMARY USE AND I, I AGREE THAT THAT ISN'T THE APPROPRIATE DIRECTION, BUT COULD YOU ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING THAT'S A BALANCE, MORE OF A BALANCE WITH A PUSH TOWARDS MEDICAL OFFICE? SO THAT WOULD BE MY, MY, UM, TAKE ON. 
          AND AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THE, WITH THE BRIDGE, THE NEW BRIDGE COMING OVER AND INTERSECTING, THEN WE'LL PARKWAY, THERE'S A MAJOR GATEWAY OPPORTUNITY, LANDMARK OPPORTUNITY, SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL FOR THE CITY. 
          AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY BY PUTTING SOMETHING SECONDARY IN THAT LOCATION. 
          SO THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS. 
          I, I WANNA ADD TOO, TO JA 'CAUSE I WANNA ADD JASON'S COMMENT TOO. 
          I, I DO THINK I DO WANNA COMPLIMENT YOU 'CAUSE I DO THINK THE BUILDING, THE ARCHITECTURE IS VERY NICE AND YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY GOT A REALLY NICE FACILITY. 
          I DO LIKE THE VILLAS, I LIKE THE VARIATION IN LIVING TYPE, BUT I ADJACENT, MAYBE IT'S JUST NOT IN THIS SITE THERE, I CAN SEE IT DEFINITELY GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE IN, IN THE CITY THAT FITS A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          AND THEN PART OF THE VISION DOUBLE, BUT I DON'T WANNA YOU TO LEAVE HERE AT THE FACT I, I STILL WANNA COMPLIMENT IN A REALLY NICE BUILDING, NICE DESIGN AND A NICE, NICE CONCEPT HERE. 
          JUST NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS WHERE MY STAND IS. 
          AND JAMIE, I I ALSO HAD THAT, YOU KNOW, SAME FEELING LIKE IS THERE ANOTHER SITE, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          THERE IS AN AGING, UH, POPULATION AND SO WE HAVE FACILITIES LIKE THIS DISTRIBUTED AROUND THE CITY AND INSTEAD OF TWO FACILITIES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, IS THERE A PLACE AGAIN WHERE WE CAN SPREAD IT OUT, MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE WIDER POPULATION? SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING YOUR, YOUR INITIATIVE TO REACH OUT TO DUBLIN, BUT IS THERE A ANOTHER SITE THAT ACCOMMODATE THE PROGRAM THAT YOU WANT TO BUILD MORE APPROPRIATELY? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          SO PLANNING'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN BUILDING AND BUILDING'S KIND OF MARKET DRIVEN, VERY MARKET DRIVEN. 
          SO IF SOMEONE DEVELOPS A PLAN THAT SHOWS OFFICE BUILDINGS ALONG THERE, BUT IT TAKES A LOT LONGER FOR THOSE TO DEVELOP BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE DEMAND FOR WHAT THEY WANNA DO RIGHT NOW. 
          SO HOW DOES THAT FIT IN YOUR THINKING? THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND DEAL THAT DEAL WITH PHASING AND WHAT GETS BUILT AND WHEN AND ALL OF THAT. 
          SO I MEAN THAT TO ME IS PART OF ENSURING THAT YOU DON'T CHERRY PICK AND GET THE BEST, THE USE YOU WANT AND EVERYTHING ELSE NEVER HAPPENS. 
          THERE'D HAVE TO BE AN AGREEMENT THAT, THAT THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT WAS PHASED APPROPRIATELY AND COME, COME ONLINE. 
          I THINK THERE'S A MARKET FOR MEDICAL OFFICE, BUT I'M NOT AN EXPERT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION TURN TO THE APPLICANT? HAVE YOU HEARD WHAT YOU NEEDED TO HEAR FROM US? AND DO YOU HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? UH, NO. 
          VERY COMPREHENSIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND AGAIN, UH, WE'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO HAVE YOU IN THE CITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, 
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THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          [COMMUNICATIONS]
WE'RE ALMOST THERE. 
          UM, COMMUNICATIONS, MR. BOT, I, I HAVE A FEW QUICK ITEMS, BUT THE MAIN ONE THAT WE'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER TONIGHT IS THE, UH, ADOPTION OF THE MEETING DATES FOR 2026. 
          UH, I BELIEVE WE PROVIDED THOSE, SOME OF YOU PROVIDED COMMENTS BACK TO US. 
          UH, I THINK THERE MAY BE A COUPLE MEETINGS WHERE ONE OF YOU OR THE OTHER IS MISSING, BUT WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WHERE THERE WAS, UM, A CONCERN ABOUT TOO MANY PEOPLE MISSING. 
          SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGING TO SET THOSE MEETING DATES, UH, AROUND MANY OTHER EVENTS AND MEETINGS. 
          AND SO IDEALLY WE WOULD GO WITH WHAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO LISTEN. 
          TWO THINGS. 
          ONE, I THINK I NEED TO RE-LOOK AT IT. 
          TWO, WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER, RIGHT, THAT THEY GOT APPROVED ON MONDAY. 
          THAT WAS GONNA BE ONE OF THE OTHER REST THE NEXT, I JUST DON'T LET JUMP IN THE . 
          I DID, DID DID DAN RESPOND WITH RELATIVE TO THE DATES? DO WE KNOW? WAS HE ONE OF THE ONES THAT RESPONDED? I, I BELIEVE SO. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL TAKE A LOOK AND I WILL RESPOND SO WE CAN MAKE SURE. 
          'CAUSE I'M, I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN WHEN I INITIALLY LOOKED AT IT, I MAY MAY HAVE TO MISS ONE OR TWO. 
          I THINK WE, YOU WERE LOOKING FOR DO WE HAVE TO VOTE TO APPROVE THAT? WE WERE HOPING THAT WE WOULD VOTE BECAUSE WE ARE, LEMME LOOK AT THE DATES BEHIND ON JASON. 
          TAKE A LOOK REAL QUICK. 
          UP. 
          , HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY CHANGED? LIKE I KNOW YOU PUT 'EM OUT SINCE, SINCE THE INITIAL WHEN YOU DIDN'T REVISE 'EM BASED ON FEEDBACK, RIGHT? SO THERE'S STILL THIS BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF YOU THAT ARE GONNA BE, UH, ABSENT CERTAIN TIMES, BUT WE HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING BASED ON JUST A, THE MAJORITY IS STILL OKAY TO THIS POINT. 
          JASON, I JUST WANTED TO COMMUNICATE. 
          SORRY, I JUST WANNA COMMUNICATE THAT I AM GONE AUGUST 20TH JUST SO I YEAH, I, I, AGAIN, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE MEETINGS THAT CERTAIN COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO MISS. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO GET A CONSENSUS AROUND A MEETING SCHEDULE SO THAT EVERYBODY ELSE CAN DO THE PLANNING THEY NEED TO DO. 
           LEMME LOOK. 
          OKAY. 
          GARY'S FINE. 
          HANG ON. 
          KATHY'S FINE. 
          I'M FINE. 
          I THINK BY UH, CONSENSUS WE'RE FINE. 
           YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING SCHEDULE FOR THE X CALENDAR FOR 2006. 
          THERE'S DEFINITELY A COUPLE DATES THAT ARE, I'M GONNA BE OUT FOR, UM, JUST LOOKING AT IT. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          SO I, IT USUALLY HAPPENS ANYWAY. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE I SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED. 
          GREAT. 
          MS. HARDER? YES. 
          MR. DESLER? YES. 
          MR. ALEXANDER? YES. 
          MR. CHINOOK? YES. 
          MR. WE YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WANTED TO ALSO INTRODUCE, UH, TORY BRUBAKER, UH, OUR NEW PLANNER WITH OUR OFFICE STARTED MAYBE A MONTH AGO NOW, OR CLOSE TO IT A MONTH. 
          ALMOST A MONTH. 
          SO, SO YOU'LL BE PRESENTING AT THE NEXT, UH, COMMISSION MEETING?  KNOW, NOT WE, WE WERE GONNA HAVE HER HANDLE ALL THREE APPLICATIONS TONIGHT, BUT UH, WE THOUGHT WE'D DISTRIBUTE THE WEALTH, SO. 
          OH, WELCOME. 
          IT'S A FUN, IT'S A FUN GROUP. 
          . 
          UM, SOMEBODY MENTIONED A NEW MEMBER, HILLARY DAMER, UH, WHO SERVED FOR A LONG TIME ON THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IS GONNA BE JOINING US AS THE NEWEST MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION, WHICH FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE WORKED WITH HER, WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT ADDITION TO THIS COMMISSION. 
          UM, LOST FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. 
          UH, SHE WAS HERE FOR THE FIRST TWO APPLICATIONS, SO SHE WAS LISTENING IN AS WELL AND SHE'D BE JOINING US IN JANUARY. 
          YEAH, EXCELLENT. 
          ANOTHER ATTORNEY. 
          YEAH. 
          GREAT. 
          THEN I, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE GOTTEN, OR I KNOW YOU HAVE GOTTEN SOME EMAILS FROM, UH, FOLKS IN THE BRIDGE PARK AREA ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHTS AND SO FORTH AND JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND JENNY ARE GONNA BE MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS NEXT WEEK TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          SO, UH, YOU DON'T NEED TO RESPOND SEPARATELY, BUT WE ARE GONNA PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, BRIDGE PARK OR BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF HOW WE MEASURE HEIGHT AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN CAUSING SOME CONFUSION. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL PROVIDE SOME LITERATURE ALSO TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          AND SO, UH, THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE 
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18TH IS THE MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND JENNY AND THERE'S NO INDICATION OF WHEN THAT APPLICATION MIGHT COME BACK BEFORE US. 
          NOT YET. 
          WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM ON SEVERAL ASPECTS OF THAT APPLICATION. 
          SO WE'VE GOT SOME TIME TO WORK THROUGH ALL THAT STUFF. 
          YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          GREAT. 
          AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAD, ACTUALLY, SPEAKING OF THAT APPLICATION, WE HAD SOME COMMENTS THAT CAME IN LAST MONTH, LITERALLY JUST BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED. 
          AND IT'S, UH, NOT FAIR TO THE PUBLIC, UH, AND NOT FAIR TO YOU TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT LITERALLY BEFORE THE MEETING, UH, GET STARTED. 
          SO WE ARE ESTABLISHING A NEW POLICY AND WE'VE STARTED, UH, SOME LANGUAGE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE UNDER THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT FIRST OF ALL, WE ACCEPT COMMENTS UP TO 48 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING SO THAT THERE IS A CUTOFF AND WE CAN GET YOU ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND TIME FOR YOU TO READ IT AND THAT THERE WOULD BE NO EXPECTATION FOR THOSE COMMENTS TO BE READ AT THE MEETING. 
          UH, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO VOCALIZE THEIR COMMENTS, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE HERE IN PERSON AND, AND DO IT UNDER SWORN TESTIMONY. 
          UH, ONE GLITCH THAT WE RAN INTO, WE, WE EXPERIMENT, EXPERIMENTED WITH IT FOR THIS MONTH AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT BUTTON DID NOT GO OFF. 
          AND SO WE WERE STILL GETTING THOSE, UH, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT. 
          WE, WE ARE HOPING THAT 2026 WILL BE THE OFFICIAL START OF THAT PROCESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THOSE CAME IN IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          SO WE ARE, WE ARE GONNA TRY TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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