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I PROMISE IT'S ONLY LIKE TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS OF THE YEAR WHERE YOU'RE BLINDED BY THE, THE SUN COMING IN.
SO I WAS TRYING THE BOOK ALMOST THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T QUITE
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[Case #25-051AFDP]
CASE CASE, 25 DASH 51 AF TP.THIS IS THE DUBLIN METHODIST HOSPITAL TOWER EXPANSION AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITIONAL, UH, OF AN ADDITION AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE OHIO HEALTH DUBLIN METHODIST HOSPITAL.
PUD OHIO HEALTH IS LOCATED AT 7,500 HOSPITAL DRIVE AT THAT.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT FORWARD AND ANYONE WHO COMES FORWARD.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF DUBLIN METHODIST HOSPITAL.
UM, AND JOINING ME TODAY WILL BE, UM, CHRISTINA BERTUCCI, IN ADDITION TO DOUG SHOAL.
AS WE LAUNCH INTO THIS PRESENTATION, IT'S LIKE WE'RE GETTING OUR SLIDES TEED UP.
I CAN TALK THROUGH A FEW THINGS WHILE WE'RE GETTING THAT, JUST JUST AS A RECAP OF WHY WE NEED AN EXPANSION.
DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE VISITED OUR HOSPITAL LATELY.
UM, WE KNOW THAT THE POPULATION IS GROWING EXPONENTIALLY IN CENTRAL OHIO, AND ALSO WE ARE GROWING IN POPULATION IN AND AROUND DUBLIN.
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THAT OUR GREATEST OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR GROWTH IN THE POPULATION IS THE 65 AND OLDER.SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE GROWTH, WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR CHALLENGE OF BRINGING, UH, OF PATIENTS COMING TO THE HOSPITAL, EVEN THROUGH, UH, EITHER BY EMS FIRE OR AS THEY WALKED THROUGH OUR DOORS MORE AND MORE, WE WERE NOTICING THAT WE WERE BOARDING OR HOLDING PATIENTS IN THE ED WHO ACTUALLY NEEDED TO BE INPATIENTS.
AND SO AS WE LOOKED AT THAT IN OUR BED CAPACITY, WE JUST KNEW THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY, UM, FOR THE CONTINUED GROWTH IN THE POPULATION.
SO WENT FORWARD AND GOT THE, UM, EXPANSION PLAN APPROVED THROUGH OHIO HEALTH.
UM, SO WE'VE OUTGROWN THAT CURRENT BED CAPACITY, AND AS I SAID, WE'VE OFTEN NEEDED TO HOLD PATIENTS IN OUR ED TO MEET FUTURE DEMANDS.
WE, UH, INITIALLY PLAN TO OPEN 48 ADDITIONAL BEDS.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE 92 ACUTE CARE BEDS.
THAT'S NOT INCLUDING OUR WOMEN'S HEALTH BEDS.
THAT ADDITIONAL 48 UM, BEDS WOULD GET US UP TO ONE 40.
AND, UM, WE ARE ALSO IMPLEMENTING WHAT WE CALL SHELL PLUS.
WE, UM, WILL PLAN TO TOTALLY, UM, STRUCTURE OUT 48 ROOMS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WILL STAFF IT AND WE WILL HAVE EQUIPMENT READY.
AND SO WHEN WE OPEN OUR DOORS, WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED, WE'LL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE ADDITIONAL 48 BEDS.
THE ADDITION, THE ADDITIONAL 48, WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL SHELL PLUS, WILL ALREADY BE IN FULL CONSTRUCTION SHORT OF PEOPLE AND EQUIPMENT.
SO IF IT HAPPENS THAT WE OPEN OUR DOORS WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL 48 BEDS AND WE FILL 'EM UP, WE KNOW THAT WE CAN EASILY, UM, HIRE PEOPLE.
AND SOMETIMES THAT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE.
AND, UM, GET EQUIPMENT IN THERE AND OPEN IT UP.
SO IT BUILDS US, UM, SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH THAT BECAUSE REALLY, UM, TRYING TO ANTICIPATE WHAT THE POPULATION WILL BE AND WHAT WE'LL NEED TO, UM, SERVE, THAT'S OUR, OUR STRATEGY.
UM, AND SO THAT'S THE, THE WISE BEHIND, UM, THE REASON FOR THE EXPANSION.
UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
SO SOME KEY PROJECT INFORMATION.
THIS NEW TOWER WILL BE SIX FLOORS.
UH, THE CURRENT TWO TOWERS THAT WE HAVE AT DUBLIN NOW ARE FOUR LEVELS.
AND SO THIS TOWER WILL BE SIX FLOORS.
UM, AND AS I SAID, 48 BEDS EXPANSION INITIALLY.
IN ADDITION, ADDITIONAL 48 AS NEEDED.
WE ALSO, UM, ARE LOOKING TO REDESIGN OUR PARKING LOT FOR SITE SAFETY AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
UH, AND WE DO HAVE CONSIDERATION, UM, FOR VALET SERVICES AS WELL.
ANYONE WHO SITS IN OUR BEAUTIFUL LOBBY WITH THE WATERFALL WILL NOTICE THAT A A, A GREAT NUMBER OF OUR PATIENTS WALKING THROUGH THE DOOR, UM, ARE THE 65 AND OLDER, AND USUALLY WITH SOME KIND OF ASSISTIVE DEVICES.
SO WE KNOW THAT WE CAN'T HAVE PARKING WAY OUT IN THE FRONT OF THE HOSPITAL.
WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING.
UM, AND WE HAVE, UM, ACCOMMODATED FOR THAT.
WE'RE GONNA ADD 124 NEW SPACES, UM, TO THAT.
AND, UM, AND THAT'LL HELP US WITH THAT.
BUT ADDING VALET SERVICES WILL DEFINITELY BE A PLUS.
THE OTHER THING WE DID, WE HAD SOME, UM, MODIFICATIONS THERE.
THE ADJUSTMENT OF THE PROPERTY LINE ALLOWED THE HOSPITAL EXPANSION TO EXTEND A LITTLE BIT NORTH.
UM, AND PROJECT TIMEFRAME, WE'VE ALREADY COME FORWARD WITH, UH, REALLY MOVING THE HELIPAD BECAUSE WE NEED NEEDED TO MOVE THE HELIPAD BECAUSE THAT IS, SITS DIRECTLY INTO THE SITE WHERE, UM, WE NEED TO START CONSTRUCTION FOR THE NEW TOWER.
SO THE HELIPAD, WE, WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN APPROVAL TO MOVE THAT AND WE'LL START DOING THAT HERE IN THE FALL OF 2025.
AND, UM, IF ALL GOES WELL, WE'RE HOPING TO START CONSTRUCTION IN EARLY 2026.
SO ARE THERE IN COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT IN 2028, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS WITH ANYTHING I'VE TOLD YOU WE WILL DO QUESTIONS AT THE END.
IS THERE ANY MORE TO YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU WANNA NO, WE DO HAVE MORE.
CHRISTINA'S GONNA COME UP AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE PROJECT.
YEAH, SO WHAT WE'LL DO, UH, IS WE'LL HAVE YOU THE APPLICANT PRESENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
THEN WE'LL HAVE STAFF GO THROUGH THEIR PRESENTATION BECAUSE THEY GIVE US A LOT OF THE HISTORY, THE BACKGROUND, HOW THIS SITE HAS EVOLVED AND HOW THIS APPLICATION HAS EVOLVED.
AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL ASK AND WE'LL PROBABLY CALL YOU BACK UP.
AND THEN WHOMEVER FROM YOUR TEAM YOU WANT TO HAVE KIND OF ON DECK, WE'LL APPROACH QUESTIONS THAT WAY.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
CHRISTINA BARKI, 5 1 5 EAST MAIN STREET.
UM, HI EVERYONE, I'M CHRISTINA.
I AM AN ARCHITECT AND THE EXTERIOR DESIGNER ON THIS PROJECT.
SO THIS IS JUST A HIGH LEVEL DIAGRAM SO YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING FACILITY AND WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING THE NEW INPATIENT EXPANSION.
UM, BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO DESIGN TOO MUCH, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT ALREADY EXISTS AT DUBLIN.
UH, SO I HAD A PROFESSOR THAT I LOVE WHO ALWAYS TOLD ME, YOU SHOULD LOOK AT EVERY PROJECT AND
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SAY, WHAT CAN I LEARN FROM THIS? RIGHT? UM, OR THIS IS GOOD BECAUSE, SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT EXAMPLE TO KIND OF LOOK AT, UM, HEALTH CENTERS AND HOSPITALS IN DUBLIN AND SAY, UM, WHAT IS REALLY WORKING FOR THESE THAT WE CAN BRING INTO OUR OWN PROJECT? UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MOUNT CARMEL IN OHIO STATE AND WE'RE THINKING, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE LEARN AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING? SO THE FIRST THING I SEE IS MOUNT CARMEL IN THE WAY THAT THEY'VE REALLY INCORPORATED THEIR PENTHOUSE INTO, UM, THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE REST OF THE BUILDING.SO THEY'RE USING THIS WRAPPING.
IT'S MORE OF A VERTICAL WRAP, UM, THAT I THINK IS PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.
SECOND, IN BOTH PROJECTS, I'M SEEING SOME STONE ACCENTS.
SO STONE AND BRICK KIND OF WORKING TOGETHER AND SHOWING LIKE TWO DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES.
UH, FOR THE OHIO STATE, WE'RE SEEING SOME BRICK ARTICULATION.
SO BY USING JUST ONE MATERIAL, BUT JUST KIND OF MOVING IT IN AND OUT, WE'RE STARTING TO EXPRESS SOME CHANGE ON THE FACADE, WHICH IS DONE REALLY WELL THERE.
AND THEN FOR BOTH THE GROUNDS KIND OF EXPRESSED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE REST OF THE HOSPITAL OR HEALTH CENTER.
OKAY, SO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN PROCESS.
ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT, UM, THIS EXISTING HOSPITAL HAS MEANT A LOT TO THE DISCIPLINE OF HEALTHCARE ARCHITECTS IN COLUMBUS.
SO SOME OF MY FAVORITE MENTORS ACTUALLY WORKED ON THIS ORIGINAL HOSPITAL AND THEY'RE STILL VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE DESIGN THAT'S THERE TODAY.
UH, SO I TAKE IT, UH, VERY SERIOUSLY THAT I'M PART OF ADDING TO THIS CAMPUS.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING IS REALLY INCORPORATED INTO THE SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL CAMPUS.
YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS ALL BEFORE.
WE'RE REALLY MATCHING EXISTING.
SO YOU'RE SEEING, UM, ANODIZED ALUMINUM CURTAIN WALL, THE GLAZING THAT IS THE EXACT SAME, UH, TRANSPARENT TINT AS THE ORIGINAL GLAZING.
IT ACTUALLY HAS A BRONZE TINT, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK BRONZE.
UH, WE'RE USING THIS PANEL THAT WE CALLED IT METAL PANEL BEFORE, BUT IT REALLY IS, UM, MORE OF LIKE A TOPE COLOR THAT IS ON THE EXISTING.
WE'RE USING THIS, IT'S CALLED PLUM, BUT I'LL CALL IT BROWN FOR THIS.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO USING THE ORANGE BRICK, UM, FROM THE EXISTING AND SOME STONE.
SO NOTHING REALLY, UH, MATERIAL WISE THAT IS ALIEN TO THE CAMPUS AND WE'RE REALLY STAYING TRUE TO THAT FIRST PALETTE.
OKAY, SO I COULD, UH, KIND OF GET THE WHOLE PROJECT INTO TWO DIAGRAMS. THEN, UH, THESE WOULD BE THE TWO.
THE FIRST IS TO LOOK AT THE CAMPUS AS A WHOLE.
AND WE START TO NOTICE THAT EACH OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE CAMPUS START TO HAVE A DIFFERENT EXTERIOR EXPRESSION BASED ON HOW THEY'RE USED.
SO THINGS THAT ARE WHITE IN THIS DRAWING I CALL BASE HOSPITAL.
AND THAT'S REALLY LIKE YOUR DNT AREAS DIAGNOSTIC AND TREATMENT.
AND IT HAS A CERTAIN LANGUAGE, IT HAS A LOT OF RIBBON WINDOWS, A LOT OF VERTICAL BANDING, UM, WITH THAT PLUMB BRICK COMING IN AGAINST THAT ORANGE.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO IN PINK ENTRIES.
SO, OR LIKE, LIKE IMPORTANT MOMENTS TO THE PROJECT.
AND THESE HAVE MORE OF A TRANSLUCENT, UM, VISIBILITY FROM THE, FROM THE EXTERIOR AND SOME SLOPED ROOFS.
AND THEY START TO HAVE ALL THE SAME LOOK.
AND THEN THE CONNECTOR UP TOP THAT RIGHT NOW CONNECTS THE TWO TOWERS IN THE BACK.
IT HAS MORE OF A, UM, METALLIC KIND OF SEE-THROUGH LOOK.
AND THEN THE TOWERS IN THE BACK HAVE THEIR OWN EXPRESSION.
SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE WANTED TO DO AND OUTLINED IN BLACK IS WHERE THAT NEW ADDITION IS, IS REALLY START TO ASSIGN HOW WE WANT TO CATEGORIZE THE AREAS OF THE NEW BUILDING.
SO THE CONNECTOR THAT RUNS ACROSS IN GREEN, WE'RE SEEING IT AS THE SAME LANGUAGE AS THAT EXISTING MOMENT, UM, THAT CONNECTS THE TWO TOWERS AND THEN THE TOWER, WE'RE REALLY SEEING AS ASSIGNING THAT TO THE LANGUAGE OF THE INPATIENT TOWER.
SO MORE OF AN INPATIENT ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE.
SO THAT WAS DIAGRAM NUMBER ONE.
DIAGRAM NUMBER TWO IS THE FORMAL DIAGRAM ON THE BOTTOM.
SO ONCE WE KNOW THAT THIS NEW ADDITION WANTS TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP TO THE EXISTING TOWERS, WE CAN THEN START TO STUDY THE EXISTING TOWERS.
I PERSONALLY LOVE THESE TOWERS.
UH, I THINK THAT THE FORMAL DIAGRAM HERE EXPRESSES WHAT I SEE HAPPENING.
SO THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS RELATIONSHIP OF VOLUME LIKE BROWN, DARKER VOLUME IF YOU WILL, THAT HAS A WRAP PERIMETER PLANE OF ORANGE BRICK AROUND IT.
AND THEN THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS LIKE POPPING THAT THE ORANGE BRICK IS SLIDING AND THEN YOU'RE SEEING THE GROUND, THE BROWN INSIDE OF IT, ALMOST LIKE A TWINE THAT YOU'RE RIPPING APART AND SEEING THAT THAT FILLING COME OUT, I'M STARTING TO SEE THAT IN BOTH OF THE TOWERS THERE.
AND IF YOU LIKE ZOOM IN ON THIS EXISTING TOWER, YOU CAN SEE THAT REALLY WHEN THAT ORANGE UM, PLANE JUST KIND OF STOPS AND YOU CAN REALLY READ THE THINNESS OF THAT PLANE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE THICKNESS OF THE, UM, VOLUME BEHIND IT THAT IS IN THE BROWN BRICK.
SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF DO THAT SAME EXACT FORMAL DIAGRAM ON THE EXISTING.
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SINCE THE BEGINNING.HERE'S OUR NEW DESIGN, A LITTLE CLOSE AND THE SAME EXACT RELATIONSHIP OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE ORANGE PERIMETER PLANE BREAKS OPEN.
AND YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT VOLUME OF BROWN BRICK POP OUT BEHIND.
ALSO IN THE EXISTING, WHENEVER THAT OPENING MOTION HAPPENS, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME TYPE OF, UM, THAT'S WHEN THESE LIKE FINS OR THESE ANGLED ELEMENTS COME UP, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT THAT MOTION IS POPPING UP.
UH, SO WE'RE BRINGING THAT THROUGH IN THIS NEW DESIGN ALSO.
OKAY, SO WE HEARD YOU LAST TIME, UM, AND I WAS EXCITED TO GET, TO CONTINUE THIS DESIGN BUT HOLD TRUE TO THE ORIGINAL PREMISE.
SO WHAT WE HEARD IS MINIMIZE OR INTEGRATE THE MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE.
NUMBER ONE IN RED, WE RAISED THE PARA PARAPET ON THE TOWER TO LESSEN THE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PENTHOUSE AND THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
SO THAT SIMPLY MEANS THAT THE ORANGE BRICK GOES HIGHER SO THAT FROM THE TOP OF THE ORANGE BRICK TO THE TOP OF THE PENTHOUSE, THAT DISTANCE IS ACTUALLY SMALLER.
SECOND THING WE DID IS THAT WE RAISED THE BROWN BRICK ASYMMETRICALLY TO WRAP THE PENTHOUSE.
WE COULD SAY WE LEARNED THIS FROM MOUNT CARMEL, UM, BUT WE'RE STARTING TO KIND OF CONCEAL THE PENTHOUSE AND HAVE IT BE HUGGED BY THE ARCHITECTURE OF THAT BROWN BRICK OR THAT, UH, VOLUME BEHIND THE PERIMETER PLANE.
THEN WE HEARD THAT YOU WANT TO SEE SOME ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS TO BREAK UP ELEVATIONS.
SO WE HAVE INCORPORATED SOME BRICK BANDING ALONG THE TOP WHERE THAT GREEN BAR IS.
UM, AND THIS IS A NEW COMPONENT TO THE CAMPUS, BUT REALLY WE'RE REFERENCING SOME OF THE RIBBON WINDOW LANGUAGE THAT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER PLACES.
I THINK THAT STRIATION IS NOT ALIEN TO THE CAMPUS.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN REALLY STUDY WHERE SIGNAGE COULD GO.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT APPROVING SIGNAGE, BUT WE CAN INTENTIONALLY LEAVE PAUSES IN THE EXTERIOR FACADE KNOWING THAT SIGNAGE CAN GO IN THESE LOCATIONS.
SO WHENEVER YOU LOOK AT THOSE BLUE CIRCLES, WE CAN KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WHERE WE MAY START TO STRATEGIZE SIGNAGE IN THE FUTURE.
SO ALL THAT COMES TOGETHER FOR THIS IMAGE HERE WHERE WE ARE SEEING THE ORANGE BRICK, UM, HIGHER, THE BROWN BRICK, KIND OF WRAPPING THE PENTHOUSE, SEEING THAT ASYMMETRICAL MOTION THAT'S COMING OUT FROM THE POPPING OF THE PERIMETER PLANE, IF YOU WILL, AND ADDING SOME ARTICULATION.
AND HERE IS OUR LOVELY MOOD SHOT.
WE ALWAYS LOVE AN EVENING SHOT, BUT HERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE LIGHT BAY.
SO THE WAY THAT WHENEVER THE PERIMETER BREAKS OPEN, THAT'S ACTUALLY EXPRESSED ON THE INTERIOR TOO OF THE PROGRAM.
THAT'S OUR FAMILY SPACE AND WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING THAT WITH CURTAIN WALL, BUT ALSO GETTING THAT ANODIZED ALUMINUM BRIGHTER METAL IN THERE TO REALLY SHOW THE DIFFERENCE WHENEVER YOU'RE BREAKING OPEN THAT PLANE.
UM, OHIO HEALTH AND DESIGN TEAM HAS STUDIED THE POTENTIAL FOR ALTERNATIVE ROOF MATERIALS.
IN RESPONSE TO YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING ALTERNATIVE ROOF MATERIALS, OHIO HEALTH HAS REAFFIRMED ITS INSTITUTIONAL POLICY REQUIRING WHITE REFLECTIVE ROOF SURFACES.
THIS POLICY SUPPORTS SUSTAINABILITY, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, AND AFFECTION CONTROL POLICIES.
THE PROJECT WILL PROVIDE A WHITE TPO ADHERED ROOFING IN COMPLIANCE WITH OHIO HEALTH SUSTAINABILITY AND GUIDELINES.
SO LET'S SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LANDSCAPE.
OH, LANDSCAPE AND WAY FINDING.
NOW I'M THE ARCHITECT AND I KNOW ALL LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS IN THE WHOLE WORLD HATE WHEN ARCHITECTS TALK FOR THEM, BUT I'M GONNA TRY TO DO MY BEST.
OKAY, SO FIRST THING THAT WE'VE ADDED SINCE LAST TIME WE SAW YOU WAS WE ADDED SOME TREES, UM, THAT ARE TO THE WEST OF THE ADDITION TO REALLY HELP LIKE GROUND THE PROPOSED EXPANSION AND GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF SOFTNESS.
WE'RE KEEPING THOSE TREES AWAY FROM THE HELIPAD 'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT HELICOPTERS AND TREES DO NOT, UM, WORK WELL TOGETHER.
WE'VE ALSO ADDED SOME FOUNDATION PLANNINGS AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE ADDITION.
UM, AND THAT FOUNDATION PLANNING ALSO HAS A SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTS TO CIRCULATION, THAT CONNECTS TO THE WHOLE CAMPUS WIDE WALKING PATH.
SO NOW IF YOU WANTED TO WALK THE WHOLE CAMPUS, YOU COULD INCLUDING AROUND OUR PROPOSED ADDITION.
SO EXISTING ENTRY CIRCULATION.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I LOVE THE DESIGNERS OF THE ORIGINAL HOSPITAL.
THIS IS ONE THAT LIKE, I DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING
UM, BUT UH, IT'S RATHER HARD TO GET INTO THE EXISTING HOSPITAL.
WE HAVE MEETINGS HERE ALL THE TIME AND THERE'S REALLY NO DIRECT WAY TO GET INTO THERE.
PLUS IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING IF IT'S YOUR FIRST TIME TO THE HOSPITAL IN AN ALREADY STRESSFUL SITUATION.
UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS CLEAN THAT UP AND CREATE ASSESSABLE SPACES CLOSER TO THE ENTRY, SAFER CROSSINGS AT THE INTERSECTIONS, MORE DIRECT PATHS SO THAT NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE, YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR COLLECTOR PATHS ARE GONNA TAKE YOU TO THAT ENTRY.
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CLARITY OF WAY FINDING.WE ALSO CIRCLED IN YELLOW THE CONNECTIONS TO CAMPUS WIDE WALKING PATHS.
AND AS A FINAL NOTE, LANDSCAPING PLANS IN THE SUBMITTED PACKET DOCUMENT THE REQUIRED REPLACEMENT OF TREES, INCLUDING ALL 564 INCHES THE END.
WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER NOW TO STAFF FOR THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
SO I WANNA JUST FIRST THANK OHIO HEALTH.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER, TOGETHER FOR A YEAR OR SEEMS LIKE A YEAR, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS, UM, WITH A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP TRYING TO GET TO THIS POINT.
UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME PREVIOUS PROPOSALS, UM, THAT THE COMMISSION HAS HEARD, AND WE FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT'S BEEN RESPONSIVE TO ALL OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO RECAPPING OUR EXPERIENCES WITH OHIO HEALTH.
SO AGAIN, THE APPLICATION BEFORE THE COMMISSION TONIGHT IS FOR AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY BEFORE THE COMMISSION IN UM, AUGUST ACTUALLY IN, UH, INCORPORATED TWO TEXT MODIFICATIONS WHICH WERE ACTUALLY APPROVED.
UM, THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS TABLED TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH US, UM, FROM ADDITIONAL, UH, PERSPECTIVES.
SO IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE, AGAIN, THIS IS AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS IS THE FINAL STAGE BEFORE, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THERE IS A NEXT STEP I WANTED TO REITERATE.
UH, THERE IS A BUILDING PERMIT STAGE THAT WE WILL, UM, GO THROUGH MORE DEFINITIVE AND MORE DEFINED, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE APPLICATION BEFORE IT ACTUALLY GETS CONSTRUCTED.
BUT THIS IS THE LAST TIME THAT IT'LL BE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING ABOUT THE SITE ITSELF, IT'S A 45 ACRE SITE, UM, LOCATED JUST OFF US 33 WITH GREAT VISIBILITY, UM, ALONG THE INTERSTATE.
UM, IT DOES HAVE SEVERAL ACCESS POINTS, ACTUALLY SIX, UM, ACCESS POINTS THAT ALLOW, UM, ENTRY INTO THE CAMPUS.
IT DOES CONTAIN AN EXISTING HOSPITAL THAT'S APPROXIMATELY, I'M GONNA SAY 340,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING, UH, MEDICAL OFFICE, UH, BUILDING THAT'S, UH, TO THE EAST OF THE SITE AS WELL AS AN ENERGY PLANT.
THIS IS A VISUAL ILLUSTRATION OF THE CAMPUS ITSELF.
WE WANTED TO ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO SEE THE TOTALITY OF THE, THE, UH, CAMPUS, UH, THE ARTICULATION FROM THE, UH, VIEWPOINT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY STANDING PRETTY MUCH ON THE ENTRANCE WAY ALONG 33, BUT YOU'LL SEE THE ARTICULATION AND THE DIFFERENT, UH, CONFIGURATIONS OF THE BUILDING.
IT DOES PREDOMINANTLY HAVE STONE MASONRY GLASS, UM, ELEMENTS, BUT IT DOES COMPLEMENT DIFFERENT, UH, COMPONENTS ALONG THE FACADES OF THE BUILDING.
SO THIS IS LOOKING INTO THE EXPANSION AREA.
UH, FOR THE TOWER, AGAIN, THIS IS A SIX STORY, UH, EXPANSION AREA, UH, FOR THE PROPOSAL, UM, ALLOWING FOR THE HOSPITAL TO EX EXPAND THEIR, UM, MEDICAL SERVICES.
UH, IN TERMS OF CASE HISTORY, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, UH, THE COMMISSION DID HEAR THIS IN AUGUST.
I THINK WE, UM, HAVE HEARD WHAT, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION WAS.
BUT PRIOR TO THAT, THERE WERE SEVERAL, UM, APPLICATION PROCESSES THAT BROUGHT US TO THIS APPLICATION.
ONE WAS A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT THAT WE DID INTERNALLY AS A STAFF TO ALLOW, UH, SETBACKS TO BE MET.
WE ALSO DID TEXT MODIFICATIONS TO DO TWO THINGS.
WE, UM, MODIFIED THE ACREAGE FOR THE SITE TO AGAIN, ALLOW FOR, UH, THE SETBACKS TO BE REQUIRED.
AND WE ALSO MODIFIED THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
UH, WE DEDUCTED THROUGH THE, UM, ANALYSIS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED FOR THEIR PARKING NEEDS.
THEY ARE OVER PARKED FOR THE SITE, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE NOT INDUCING A PARKING REQUIREMENT.
THAT WAS, UM, MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THAN NECESSARY.
JUST A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE SITE, THIS IS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING ALONG AGAIN, 33 HOSPITAL DRIVE, YOU SEE THE PRIMARY BUILDING, UM, IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE.
THE ADDITION IS TO THE NORTH OF THE HOSPITAL.
AND AGAIN, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT TECHS HAD ALWAYS PROPOSED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THE HOSPITAL.
SO, UM, IN TERMS OF OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, LOT COVERAGE, SETBACKS, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN MET.
UM, THE APPLICANTS HAVE ALSO ANNOUNCED THAT FOR THEIR
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TREE REPLACEMENT IN TERMS OF WHAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN AUGUST, THEY WERE SLIGHTLY SHY OF MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT, AND WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT THE TRUE REPLACEMENT IS BEING MET AT THIS POINT.UM, IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, AGAIN, WE ASKED THAT, UM, THE PARAPET WAS A LITTLE DOMINANT IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH US TO, UH, DELINEATE, UM, THE BRICK MATERIAL AND BRING THAT UPWARDS, UM, TO MINIMIZE THE, UM, THE PARAPET ITSELF AND GIVE SOME SORT OF, UH, I, I'LL CALL IT A, A SLIGHTED, UH, LOOK TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING GIVES IT ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST AND BLENDS WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING.
THESE ARE TWO COMPARISONS OF WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN IN AUGUST WOULD, WHICH WOULD BE TO THE LEFT, AND THEN AGAIN WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NOW.
UM, I BELIEVE THE, THE APPLICANT HAS GREATLY, UH, INTRODUCED WHAT THEIR DIFFERENCES ARE, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE BRINGING THE BRICK MATERIAL UPWARDS.
THEY'RE WRAPPING THE BUILDING WITH A DARKER, UH, MATERIAL TO PROVIDE SOME INTEREST.
UM, AND IT DOES MINIMIZE THE APPEARANCE OF THE PARA.
SO IN TERMS OF, UH, CRITERIA FOR THE MINUTE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE EXCLUSIVE, UM, REMAINING, UH, APPLICATION BEFORE THE BOARD, ALL OF THE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET OR MET, UH, WITH ONE SINGULAR CONDITION.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THE MINUTE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND WE JUST ASK THAT THE APPLICANT CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR ENGINEERING GROUP.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S TEAM BEING SO ROBUST AND HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, AT THIS TIME WE'D LIKE TO TURN THE TIME OVER TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS OF BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.
SO IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO STEP BACK UP, WE WILL TAKE THESE IN TURN.
UM, I'M GOING TO START INSIDE OUT.
SO I'M GONNA START WITH MR. WE THIS EVENING.
UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, THAT WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL AND ESPECIALLY HITTING ALL OF THE POINTS THAT WE, UH, DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, THERE I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS AND, AND AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ROOF, UM, AND WHETHER IT SHOULD BE A GREEN ROOF OR OTHER MATERIALS THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, WE DISCUSSED THAT THE ROOF IS OVER, UM, KIND OF MISSION CRITICAL PARTS OF THE HOSPITAL THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN UNDERNEATH IT.
I THINK THAT WE, WE CLARIFIED THAT LAST TIME.
AND, UM, SO YOU'RE STILL PROPOSING THAT IT'S A WHITE ROOF AND UM, WITH THE IDEA THAT A WHITE ROOF IS REFLECTIVE AND IT'S NOT ABSORBING HEAT, WHICH WOULD IN INCREASE, YOU KNOW, HEATING AND COOLING WITHIN THE BUILDING.
SO IT IN ITSELF IS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE WAY TO HANDLE A ROOF.
THAT WAS A, A QUESTION IN TERMS OF CONFIRMATION.
TO LIMIT THE HEAT I AND EFFECT.
I, AND IT WAS, IT WAS CLEAR IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK THAT WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, AND I THINK PEOPLE THINK GREEN ROOF ARE LIKE THIS REALLY INCREDIBLY, UM, IMPORTANT THING IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITY, BUT A WHITE ROOF IS ACTUALLY A MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION TOO, AND HAS A, HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON THE HEATING AND COOLING OF A BUILDING.
SO AGAIN, I I, I, I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE PARAMETERS THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND THE ISSUES OF, OF GREEN ROOFS IN THAT, IN A HEALTHCARE ENVIRONMENT.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M GLAD THAT, I'M GLAD YOU'VE TAKEN THIS IN A DIRECTION AND, AND, UH, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT.
THE SECOND QUESTION I HAD, AGAIN, I, I THINK THE CHANGES TO THE FACADE AND THE BRINGING THE WALL UP TO HIDE THE MECHANICAL, I THINK ALL THERE WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU DID IN ALL THOSE MOVES THAT THE PROPORTIONS OF, OF DIFFERENT COLORS ALL OF A SUDDEN.
IT JUST OH, THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
UM, THE, THE QUESTION I HAD WAS THE, THE DIAGONAL THAT'S FACED ON THE, THAT'S ON THE FRONT OF THE HOSPITAL.
THIS I, I I I, I GET, I THINK THAT THERE'S A DESIGN VOCABULARY AND THE EXISTING PART OF THE HOSPITAL THAT HAS THESE LITTLE TILT UP DIAGONALS.
AND I'M GUESSING THAT YOU ARE DOING, MAKING THAT EXPRESSION ON, ON THE NEW TOWER TO REFLECT THAT.
COULD YOU EXPOUND OR TELL ME MORE ABOUT YOUR DESIGN, THINKING ABOUT THAT MOVE AS OPPOSED TO JUST LETTING THE BRICK COME ALL THE WAY UP AND NOT DOING THE DIAGONAL? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UM, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, HOW WE IMAGINING THE PERIMETER PLANE, THAT
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ORANGE BRICK, WHENEVER THAT ORANGE BRICK KIND OF POPS OPEN, THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT MOVEMENT IT SEEMS ON THE EXISTING BUILDING.ONCE THAT MOVEMENT IS ESTABLISHED, THAT'S WHEN, UM, AN ANGLE STARTS TO HAPPEN.
AND IF WE LIKE TURNED TO THE WEST, THE, UM, THERE WE GO.
IF YOU WERE TO TURN OVER THE SIDE, THE ORANGE DOESN'T POP IN THAT AREA.
SO I WANTED THERE TO BE A LITTLE LESS MOVEMENT, LESS OF AN UPWARD MOTION ON THE, UM, EAST SOUTHEAST OF THE HOSPITAL.
WE REALLY WANTED TO EXPRESS IT MORE ON THE SOUTHWEST END AS THAT MOVEMENT THAT'S COMING FROM IT PULLING APART.
AND THE ANGLE ITSELF IS REALLY, UM, IT IS A RESULT OF HOLDING A CERTAIN DIMENSION AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ORANGE BRICK AND HOLDING A CERTAIN DIMENSION AT THE TOP OF THE PENTHOUSE.
SO IT REALLY IS A RESULTANT JUST OF EXISTING CONDITIONS.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WASN'T TOO CLOSE TO THAT ED ENTRANCE ANGLE.
UM, WE WANTED IT TO BE REFERENCING IT, BUT NOT LIKE, JUST SLIGHTLY MISSING.
I ALWAYS THINK A SLIGHT MISS IS NEVER GOOD.
UM, BUT IT, I, WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT THE SAME ANGLE AS THE EXISTING FINS AND, UM, WE KIND OF LIKE THAT IN THE WAY THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, YOU KNOW, USING THE SAME FORMAL CONCEPTUAL DIAGRAMS WITHOUT IT BEING HELD TO THE SAME EXACT, UM, LOOK, HAD YOU LOOKED AT JUST SQUARING IT OFF AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, VERSUS TRYING TO MAKE, PUT IT AT AN ANGLE, SQUARING THE WHOLE THING UP, THAT THE BRICK SQUARING IT OFF AGAINST THE MECHANICAL AS OPPOSED TO THE LONG SLOPING DIAGONAL, WELL THEN WE WOULD LOSE OUR ANGLE THAT'S REFERENCING THE FINS OF THE EXISTING.
AND THE WAY THAT THE ED ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN, YOU WOULD SEE THAT LIKE RELATIONSHIP POPPING BACK.
SO WE REALLY WANTED TO HAVE THAT, THAT CROSSOVER BETWEEN THE OTHER AREAS.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASSUMING THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO IN THAT IT, IT JUST CAUGHT ME BECAUSE THE OTHER MOVES ARE LIKE SMALLER MOVES IN TERMS OF THE ANGLE, AND THEN THIS IS THIS BIG SLOPING ANGLE, AND I WAS LIKE, UH, BUT I, I GET THE CONCEPT AND I, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO AGAIN, TIE IT INTO THE, AND I MEAN, I THINK THIS FACADE, THIS ELEVATION IS REALLY GREAT TO KIND OF POINT OUT ALL OF THOSE MOVES AS YOU LOOK ALONG THE FACADE.
AND SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT, UH, THAT DIRECTION.
WE'LL CONTINUE ON THIS DIRECTION, MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND, UH, GIVING SUCH A NICE PRESENTATION AND SPENDING TIME WITH THE CITY AND US AS WELL, AGAIN, TOO.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, THAT NIGHT THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE ROOF AND UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AND I UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT.
BUT DID YOU, IN THE CITY, AND MAYBE BOTH OF YOU CAN COMMENT ON THIS, DID YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT OTHER ELEMENTS ABOUT THE STARKNESS OF IT, OF THE WHITE AND THE PERCEPTION FROM SOMEONE WHO IS LOOKING AT THAT, UM, WHEN THERE, WHEN VISIBLY THEY'RE SEEING OTHER TONES, UM, AND HOW THAT, UH, COMES ABOUT? AND I, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD LOOKED AT GRAVEL OR HAD WHAT KIND OF CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAD.
UM, SO REALLY THIS IS A SYSTEM DECISION FOR, UM, INFECTION PREVENTION AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD, WE DID COME UP WITH OTHER OPTIONS.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE AND REALLY CLEANLINESS, THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE REALLY PUT TO THE SIDE RATHER QUICKLY IN THAT CONVERSATION.
UH, WE DID SOME 3D MODELING, UM, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT A PATIENT IN A PATIENT ROOMS WOULD REALLY SEE AND FEEL.
AND WE FELT THAT IN THOSE, IN THOSE MODELS, IT WAS LIKE LESS OF AN ISSUE THAT WE HAD THAN WE HAD THOUGHT IT MIGHT'VE EVEN BEEN.
UM, I THINK BECAUSE OF WHERE THE PATIENT ROOM WINDOW KIND OF SITS UP A LITTLE BIT AND GENERALLY LIKE WHERE THE BED SITS COMPARED TO THAT WINDOW.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I THINK IT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND YOUR VISION.
I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND UM, I'M GONNA GET HUNG UP ON THIS, SO I DID LAST TIME TOO, SO I APOLOGIZE.
THE, THE, UH, MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE, UM, THIS IS A GREAT ELEVATION TO, TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
SO WE'VE ADDED FOR STAFF, I GUESS THE BOX THAT'S ON TOP OF IT NOW, WE'VE ADDED ANOTHER LAYER TO IT.
THE MAN DOOR THAT'S, THAT WAS NOT THERE PRIOR, CORRECT? THERE WAS ALWAYS AN ACCESS POINT.
THAT ABOVE PIECE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
SO YOU LOOK AT THIS ELEVATION, RIGHT? AND YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS ARE CHALLENGED BY THE, UH, ORIENTATION OF THIS BUILDING.
'CAUSE THE PRIMARY ELEVATION, WHICH IS FACING THE, YOU KNOW, THREE THREE AND THE DRIVE ISN'T REALLY THE PRIMARY ELEVATION THAT EVERYBODY ELSE SEES THAT DRIVES DOWN AVERY ROAD AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
YOU CAN, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT AND THAT YOU'VE PUT SO MUCH EMPHASIS ON
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ONE SIDE ELEVATION, BUT THEN YOU'VE KIND OF LET THIS BACKSIDE KIND OF REMAIN AS IS WITH OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, MECHANICAL SCREEN AS IS ESSENTIALLY.SO WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, I WOULD SAY, UM, I'M PRETTY PROUD OF THE NORTH ELEVATION ITSELF.
YOU GET TO SEE IT A LITTLE BIT IN THAT DUSK SHOT.
UM, BUT THE WAY THAT WE ARE REALLY SHOWING THAT LIGHT BAY, IT'S BREAKING THAT PERIMETER PLANE AGAIN.
SO A LOT OF EFFORT WAS PUT INTO THAT WITH THE RAISED PARA PIT.
AND THEN WE REALLY FEEL THAT THE EAST ELEVATION, UH, IS LIKE A PART OF CREATING THE WHOLE COMPOSITION.
WE DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S REALLY EVEN THE BACKSIDE WE HAVE MAYBE THE MOST GLASS ON THE EAST ELEVATION 'CAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THAT GLASS YOU SEE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND SIDE REALLY WRAPS THAT CORNER.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE A BIT MORE OF THE PENTHOUSE FROM THAT ELEVATION, BUT WE'VE STILL GAVE IT THE SAME AMOUNT OF ATTENTION IN DETAIL AS THE OTHER ONES.
I WOULDN'T SAY IT EVEN NECESSARILY FEELS LIKE THE BACK OF A BUILDING, UH, BECAUSE YOU STILL SEE THE BROWN KIND OF COME UP AROUND THE ORANGE.
AND THEN, AND THEN THAT AND THEN THAT MICRO LINE IS A METAL, IT'S A METAL PANEL IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS.
IT IS A METAL PANEL, BUT IT IS LIKE MATTE AND TOPE.
IT DOES NOT FEEL METALLIC, UM, OR LOOK METALLIC.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION TOO, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, UH, CONCEPT ON BREAKING UP THE MASSING WITH THE, I MEAN, THAT WAS VERY NICE HOW YOU PRESENTED IT.
DID YOU CONSIDER BREAKING UP EVEN FURTHER MAYBE INTO, YOU DID IT IN TWOS, DID YOU CONSIDER BREAKING UP INTO THIRDS AND IT JUST BECAME PLAN OR COST PROHIBITIVE TO, TO BREAK IT UP EVEN MORE THAN THAN YOU DID? SO I MEAN, WE WOULD ALWAYS LOVE TO BREAK IT UP MORE FOR SURE.
THE PLAN REALLY IS THE 24 BED UNIT WITH PATIENT ROOMS THAT GO THE WHOLE WAY AROUND AND WE'RE ACTUALLY LIKE ADDING EXTRA SPACE IN THAT PLAN TO GIVE THAT BREAKUP.
UH, AND THERE ARE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UM, LIKE BEDS PER SQUARE FOOT METRICS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIT SO THAT WE CAN REALLY ALIGN WITH BEST PRACTICES.
WE DON'T REALLY WANT NURSES TO HAVE TO WALK TOO FAR TO GET FROM BED TO BED.
UM, SO WE FELT THAT THIS WAS A PRETTY GOOD MIDDLE GROUND OF ADDING THAT LIGHT BAY THERE WITHOUT EXTENDING, UM, THE EFFORT TO PUT ON STAFF BY ADDING TOO MUCH MORE SPACE THAT WASN'T DIRECTLY SERVICED TO THE PATIENTS, KIND OF.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND THEN ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION.
THE, THE RIBBON, THE CORNICE DETAIL, THE RIBBON CORNICE DETAIL, I WAS, IT SEEMED LIKE IT WASN'T ALL THE ELEVATIONS.
SO CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY, IS THAT AROUND THE ENTIRE ENTIRETY OF THE BUILDING OR JUST THE ONE SIDE? IT IS AROUND EVERYWHERE THAT THE ORANGE BRICK IS.
MR. ALEXANDER, I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PENTHOUSE.
UM, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS AT THE LAST MEETING TO HELP BREAK THE BULK OF THAT ELEVATION WAS MOVE THE PENTHOUSE IN THE PERIMETER OF THE PENTHOUSE IN FROM THE, DID YOU EXPLORE THAT? WE DID.
AND THE RESULT, UM, IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY COSTLY TO THE PROJECT DUE TO WHERE THE STAIRWELL AND ELEVATOR WAS.
UM, I PUSHED MY ENGINEERS VERY HARD AND WITHOUT EXTENDING IT PAST THAT BRAKE.
SO WE REALLY WANTED TO HOLD THAT BREAK WITHOUT EXTENDING IT PAST THAT BREAK.
UM, WE COULDN'T MOVE IN AT ALL IF WE WANTED TO EXTEND THE WHOLE WAY DOWN THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD KIND OF BE A CLEAN LOOK.
UM, WE THEN PUT IN, IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, EXTEND BACK AT ALL BECAUSE OF WHERE THE STAIR IN THE ELEVATOR ARE.
SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, MORE OF A CHUNK THAT WE THOUGHT WASN'T AS CLEAN IN AN EXPRESSION AS JUST THE THE SQUARE.
I'LL, I'LL COME BACK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER.
CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THIS DRAWING? YES, THAT'S MY MODEL.
WELL, I, NO, I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THAT.
WHAT'S BEYOND THE PROPOSED EDITION? ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UM, WE STARTED BY LOOKING AT THE WHOLE CAMPUS AND THINKING ABOUT HOW THIS BUILDING CAN KIND OF BE THE BEST FOR RIGHT NOW, BUT ALSO, UM, BE THINKING FOR 50, A HUNDRED YEARS DOWN THE LINE.
WE DIDN'T WANNA PAINT OURSELVES IN A CORNER AT ALL.
THAT'S WE REQUESTED LAST TIME.
I APPRECIATE THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AND THE FACT THAT YOU'VE ADDRESSED JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING.
MOST OF MY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP AND ADDRESSED.
I WAS CURIOUS THOUGH, UM, FOR THE TREE, FOR THE REPLACEMENT, IS THAT MOSTLY IN THE PARKING LOT AREA OR IS THAT SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE, IS THERE ANY CONCENTRATION SOMEWHERE ELSE? SO DEFINITELY IN THE NEW PARKING DESIGN, BUT WE ARE SPREADING IT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE FACILITY IN ORDER TO GET ALL OF OUR INCHES.
AND THEN WOULD YOU SEE THAT WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT? IS IT, IS ANY OF THAT IN THE AREAS THAT YOU'VE GOT POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OR IS THAT SOMETHING FAR ENOUGH OFF THAT YOU'LL CROSS IT WHEN YOU COME TO IT? SO MOSTLY THOSE NEW TREES ARE TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST.
AND REALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT IF THERE WERE TO EVER BE A TOWER FOUR, LET'S SAY, THAT WOULD BE TOWARDS THE WEST.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.AT THIS TIME, WE'LL CLOSE, UNLESS THERE ARE FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT.
WE'LL CLOSE THE QUESTION PORTION.
WE WILL MOVE ON FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? SEEING NONE.
HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY? THANK YOU, MR. PETAR.
WE WILL MOVE FORWARD INTO DELIBERATION AND I'M GONNA DO INSIDE OUT AGAIN.
SO MR. WE, I WILL HAVE YOU GO FIRST.
SO, UM, I'M, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION.
I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT REALLY HELPED TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, I DID FINALLY JUST REALIZE WHAT'S BOTHERING ME ABOUT THE DIAGONAL ON THE TOWER IS THAT IT GOES ALL THE WAY AND ALL THE OTHER ONES KIND OF FLATTEN OUT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION, IT'S DIAGONAL AND THEN IT FLATTENS OUT.
AND SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT MIGHT BE AN ADDITION YOU MIGHT WANT TO EXPLORE, BUT I GET THE WHOLE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
UM, AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, UM, ADDRESSING THE ROOF ISSUE.
AND I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR IDEA OF THE WHITE ROOF IS, YOU KNOW, VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU SEE IN OTHER FACILITIES LIKE THIS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
UM, AGAIN, AN AN ENVIRONMENTAL MOVE THAT HELPS WITH, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
UM, I THINK THE, THE EFFORTS IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPE AND THE CONNECTIVITY ARE ALL GREAT.
AND SO AGAIN, I, I SUPPORT, UH, THE APPLICATION.
MS. HARD THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE.
UM, I ALSO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION.
UM, I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE MODERNIZED, UM, AND UPDATED THIS EXISTING, UH, FACILITY.
UM, AND IT HAS A NICE VISIBILITY, WHICH THEN BRINGS THAT COMMUNITY FEEL, WHICH I THINK YOU'RE CONTINUING HAPPENING THERE.
UM, I AM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE, THE ROOF, UM, IT'S THE PRECEDENCE I THINK WE TRY OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX.
AND THAT WAS A PLACE TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT THERE ARE OTHER PROVISIONS THAT POSSIBLY COULD HAVE BEEN DONE THAT CAN, UM, BE SAFE FOR, UM, PATIENTS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE CONCERNS.
AND ALSO MY FEELING IS, IS THAT IT'S SO REFLECTIVE THAT, UM, IT JUST CHANGES THE LOOK FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE IF YOU'RE WALKING IN THE BUILDING.
AND THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS WE'RE HERE TO THINK ABOUT.
AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE MISSING ON THAT, THAT PART.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S NICE WALK SAFE CROSSINGS, THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WANNA GET OVER TO KROGER'S OR WHATEVER AND MOVE AROUND.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANNA DO, UM, IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHEN THE, THEY HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER IN A HOSPITAL.
UM, BUT ALSO THE, THE TREES TOO.
YOU, YOU DID THAT WONDERFULLY, UM, PUTTING THEM ALL BACK AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TOO.
TAMMY, WOULD YOU MIND COMP THE ELEVATION? EXTERIOR ELEVATION AGAIN, PLEASE? YEAH, THE OVERALL FRONT ELEVATION.
SO AGAIN, I, I SAID ALREADY, I, I THINK YOU, YOU'VE, I'M, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADING.
I THINK YOU'VE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF RESPONDING TO OUR COMMENTS AND YOU'VE DEFINITELY MADE IT LOOK, UH, BETTER TO WHERE WE, WHERE WE WENT HEAD, I, I I, I SAID THIS LAST TIME, WE NEED TO LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES AND, UH, BUILDING THIS SIGNIFICANT, THIS HIGH.
THE EMPHASIS IS SO MUCH ON THE, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S ON THE MECHANICAL UNITS BECAUSE, OR THE MECHANICAL SCREENING, BECAUSE YOU SEE IT, IT'S SO PROMINENT, IT'S SO DOMINANT.
I APPRECIATE USING, YOU'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON THE, ON THE MASONRY AND THE GLASS AT THE, AT THE PATIENT LEVEL, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY HUGELY IMPORTANT.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN THIS ELEVATION, IT'S THE, THE ELEVATION'S SO DOMINATED BY THAT MECHANICAL, UM, THE MECHANICAL SCREENING.
AND YOU REFERENCED MOUNT CARMEL.
MOUNT CARMEL DID A GREAT JOB OF BUILDING IT INTO THE ARCHITECTURE.
APPRECIATE YOU REFERENCING THAT.
'CAUSE THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW, HOW YOU CAN DO IT.
I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY A STEP TOWARDS WHERE WE NEED TO GO, BUT THAT HAVING THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, METAL MATERIAL IN THE SKY FOR INTENTS AND PURPOSES IN THIS AREA IS JUST, I THINK IT'S TOO OVERPOWERING.
I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER, THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO CONSIDER REQUESTING TO BRING THE BUILDING MATERIAL UP HIGHER TO, TO MINI MINIMIZE THAT METAL MATERIAL THAT, UH, THAT, THAT JUST BECOMES, I THINK, VERY DOMINANT ON THIS ELEVATION.
UM, AGAIN, I, I THINK WE'VE COME A LONG WAY, BUT, UH, WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER HOW THAT LOOKS BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A PROMINENT PIECE OF THIS, UH, BUILDING DESIGN.
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WILL REALLY CONFUSE YOU.UM, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THE ADDITION MAKES SENSE BASED ON THE LOCATION.
IT'S SUBORDINATE TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF THE MATERIALS, IN TERMS OF THE ACTIVITY ON THE ELEVATION.
SO I THINK IN MANY WAYS, AND I, AND WE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, I THINK THIS IS CLEARLY A DERIVATIVE ADDITION, WHICH IS ONE STRATEGY WHEN YOU WANT AN ADDITION TO TIE IN WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
HOWEVER, THE ONE PLACE THIS ADDITION DOES NOT TIE INTO THE BUILDINGS IS THE HEIGHT.
AND, AND YOU'VE ACCENTUATED THE HEIGHT BY TAKING THAT BRICK.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, THE FACT THAT THAT BRICK RUNS ALL THE WAY DOWN AND UP, YOU'VE ACCENTUATED THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING BY HAVING THAT ONE CONTINUOUS SURFACE.
SO ACTUALLY I, I PREFERRED WHAT YOU HAD BEFORE WHERE YOU CHANGED THE MATERIALS THERE BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEN YOU BREAK THAT UP, SO YOU DON'T SEE THIS LARGE MASS RUNNING ALL THE WAY UP THE, UP THE BUILDING.
SO IT APPEARS, AND I, I'D LIKE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT VOLUME AND, BUT YOU'VE, YOU'VE CREATED THIS REALLY BIG VOLUME NOW BY TAKING THAT MATERIAL UP.
UM, SO, AND THIS WRAPPER'S DOWN LOWER, SO, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY I'M SUPPORTIVE.
I WISH THAT CORNER WAS DEALT WITH DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK THAT WAS MORE SUCCESSFUL.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE SAME PLANE, IT CHANGES THE MATERIAL.
AND SO THE HEIGHT IS NOT AS PROMPT PRONOUNCED AS IT IS, AS IT IS HERE.
AND YOU BEGIN TO SEE THE BUILDING AS FIVE STORIES WITH SOMETHING SECONDARY ON TOP.
WHEREAS HERE, YOU DON'T READ IT THAT WAY.
SO IN NOW WE'RE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, SO WE LOOK AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN MOST PEOPLE.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU HAD BEFORE WAS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT, BUT I SUPPORT YEAH.
CAN I, CAN I ASK, CAN I ASK A QUESTION FOLLOW UP WITH THAT? IS THAT OKAY? SO BUT THAT, THAT, I, I AGREE WITH YOU 'CAUSE I LIKE THE BREAKUP OF THAT MATERIAL, BUT MY ISSUES WITH THE MATERIAL, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT JUST THE METAL, YOU SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON BRICK AND, AND IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS GREAT, BUT THEN YOU GET THERE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE JUST KIND OF PUNTED ON MAKING THIS LOOK NICE.
YOU'VE JUST SAID, WELL, LET'S JUST PUT METAL UP THERE BECAUSE IT'S CHEAP AND EASY.
BUT IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, I MEAN, ARE YOU SAYING YEAH, I IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE METAL.
IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT MATERIAL.
SO IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE YOU WERE TAKING ALL OF THAT UP AND ACROSS THE TOP.
SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR HERE, GENTLEMEN, WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU LANDING? THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I WANNA ASK THAT A QUESTION.
WE GOT INTO THIS LAST TIME ABOUT WE WANTED TO SEE SOMETHING MORE, WHICH I THINK THE APPLICANT DID.
THEY'VE MET THE CRITERIA HERE.
NOW OUR, OUR SCOPE OF REVIEW REALLY CAN'T DICTATE SOME OF THESE ARCHITECTURAL PIECES BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY, IN THEORY, BEEN APPROVED ALREADY FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
ISN'T THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
AND IN FACT, YOU, YOU, UH, ANTICIPATED MY REASON FOR PULLING THE MIC OVER TOWARD MY MOUTH HERE,
SO I JUST, I, SO, SO THANK YOU FOR, I, I KNOW LAST TIME IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S THE TIME PERIOD BY WHICH THE ORIGINAL BUILDING YOU HAD BUILT AND THEN NOW COME BACK.
WE WANTED SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS.
YOU PROVIDED THOSE ADDITIONAL DETAILS.
AND, AND JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT THE STANDARD IN THERE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS SIX STORIES OF HEIGHT AND THAT THE, UH, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND HOUSING CAN EXCEED THAT SIX STORIES OF HEIGHT AND THAT THE FACADE COLORS AND MATERIALS ARE TO BE HARMONIOUS, UM, ACROSS THE BUILDINGS ON THIS PUD CAMPUS.
AND SO, UM, THAT, THAT IS REALLY THE EXTENT OF THE CRITERIA THAT ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR THAT PARTICULAR DESIGN ELEMENT.
YEAH, AS I SAID, I APPRECIATE THE CHANGES THAT THEY MADE.
UM, I THINK THEY'VE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE ROOF, WHICH, UM, MEAN I THINK THEY'VE DEFENDED PROPERLY.
UM, UH, THE, I'M ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION.
I THINK THAT IT'S, UH, A NICE, NICE ADDITION TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
I DO THINK IT ECHOES THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND WHILE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WISH WE HAD A PAINTBRUSH AND YOU KNOW, A CREATIVE LICENSE TO DO ANYTHING WE WANT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN MY MIND, I THINK A MORE GLASS BUILDING ECHOING THE ENTRANCES WOULD'VE BEEN NICE.
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BUT I UNDERSTAND THE USE CASE.I UNDERSTAND THE, THE ECHOING.
I UNDERSTAND THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED IN THE PAST.
I DO THINK YOU LISTENED TO THE COMMISSION FROM THE LAST DISCUSSION.
AND WHILE SEVEN OF US DON'T ALWAYS LAND EXACTLY ON THE SAME PAGE, I HOPE WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT COMMUNICATING THE, THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION AS A BODY.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE ITEMS THAT WERE, UH, CONCERNS BROUGHT UP BY THE COMMISSION.
IN TURN, UH, THERE WAS THE, UH, ORIGINAL ITEM OF THE ANGLES THAT WE BELIEVE IS ALREADY COVERED, THOUGH THERE ARE SOME PREFERENCES ON THE TRAJECTORY.
THE, THE ANGLES THEMSELVES THERE WAS THE ISSUE OF THE WHITE ROOF, WHICH I THINK YOU HEARD THE GENERAL BODY SAYING THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF, GIVEN THE EXPLANATION.
UH, THERE WAS AN, AN ECHO OF THE, THE ROOF, AGAIN, WITH OUT OF THE BOX THINKING OR GENERAL PROVISIONS, YOU HEARD THE COMPLIMENTS FROM REPLACING THE TREES.
YOU CAN SEE IN DUBLIN, WE LOVE OUR TREES.
UH, AND THEN THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING WAS BROUGHT UP, BUT AS A MECHANISM TO DISCUSS, UM, THE, THE PARAPET MECHANICAL SCREENING AND THAT ECHOES, AND I THINK THAT YOU HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT COMPLIMENTARY IN, IN THEIR THOUGHTS TO THE OVERALL DESIGN, THAT THERE'S MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO, WE HAD A FORMER FORMER COMMISSION MEMBER WHO LIKED THE WORD Z.
AND SO I, I'LL ECHO THAT TO IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE CURRENT SINGLE CONDITION THAT SAYS THE APPLICANT CONTINUES TO WORK WITH ENGINEERING, SUCH THAT COMMENTS ARE ADDRESSED DURING THE REQUIRED SITE PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS, COVERS THE ITEMS BROUGHT UP BY THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING.
SO I'D LIKE TO ASK COMMISSION MEMBERS IF THEY AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT, IF THERE'S ANY FINAL DELIBERATION OR IF THEY NEED CLARIFICATION ON MY SUMMATION IS ENGINEERING STAFF DIFFERENT THAN PLANNING STAFF? BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT JAMIE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT ARE PLANNING ISSUES.
THE ENGINEERING TENDS TO BE STORM WATER AND ISSUES LIKE THAT.
WE WORK WITH ENGINEERING STAFF TO TRANSITION THIS TO THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE.
SO IT, IT WOULD BE COLLECTIVE AMONGST THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING, UM, FOR, UM, TO BE PERHAPS OVERLY PEDANTIC TO COVER THE, THE COMMENTS THIS EVENING.
CAN WE ADD THE APPLICANT CONTINUES TO WORK WITH PLANNING AND ENGINEERING SUCH THAT, TO THAT PARTICULAR CONDITION? ABSOLUTELY.
LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION TO ENSURE, THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL GIVE STAFF A MOMENT FOR THAT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, DELIBERATION THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AS THAT MODIFICATION'S BEING MADE? ALRIGHT, CAN WE, CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO CORRECT, LIKE ADDRESS THE, THE ISSUE AT HAND OF THE MECHANICAL SCREENING, OR ARE YOU, UH, DOUG SHOUL 81 WESTIN COLUMBUS? UH, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO, I GUESS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL TO CONTINUE TO, I GUESS SPECIFICALLY TO CONTINUE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THAT METAL MATERIAL AT THE MECHANICAL SCREEN? UH, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I THINK I, I, YEAH, I, I, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY LOCK THEM INTO REDUCED METAL, BUT YEAH, I DON'T RATHER, THE CONCERN IS THAT THE COMMISSION DOES NOT, UH, PART OF THE COMMISSION DOES NOT, UH, APPRECIATE THE EXTENSION OF THE PARAPET AREA MECHANICAL SCREENING IN RELATION TO THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
AND THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED IN A MYRIAD WAYS.
I THINK WE'D BE WILLING TO STUDY OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT AND WORK WITH STAFF TO, AND WORK WITH STAFF TO.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ADDRESSED AS A SEPARATE ITEM OR WITH OUR ALTERATION TO THE SINGLE CONDITION? DOES THE COMMISSION, AND I'M GONNA DO STRAW POLL ON THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS WHO HAVE ADDRESSED THAT, AND WE'RE A BODY OF SEVEN, SO QUORUM IS FOUR.
SO STARTING WITH MR. GARVIN, THAT'S THE VISION FOR ME.
MR. MR. TESLER? I, I THINK IT'S FINE AS, AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
I LIKE THE REVISION TO THE LANGUAGE
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THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT THEY CONTINUE TO WORK WITH PLANNING AND ENGINEERING BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OTHER DETAILS THAT WERE MENTIONED AS WELL THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED.I AGREE WITH THE LANGUAGE MS. HARDER? I AGREE.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, THANK YOU.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDED CONDITION.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE VALUED SERVICE THAT YOU BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING ANOTHER ADDITION TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
UM, AS YOU EXIT THE BUILDING, IF I COULD REMIND EVERYONE, THIS IS AN ECHO CHAMBER, SO IF THERE'S SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION, IF YOU MOVE PAST THE KITCHEN AREA, IT DOESN'T CARRY PAST THERE.
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TO CASE 25 DASH 89 CP 62 85 SAW MILL ROAD OUT PARCEL.THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW, UH, EXCUSE ME, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND NON BITING FEEDBACK FOR AN APPROXIMATELY 4,500 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE APPROXIMATELY HALF ACRE SITE IS ZONED BSDC BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT COMMERCIAL AND IS LOCATED AT THE NORTH NORTHWEST CORNER OF SAWMILL ROAD AND MARTIN DRIVE.
IF THE APPLICANT'S PRESENT, WE INVITE YOU TO THE MICROPHONE.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I, I AM PHIL MOREHEAD WITH G TWO PLANNING DESIGN SEVEN 20 EAST BROAD STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO, 4 3 2 1 5.
UM, BASSAM, YOU AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE COORDINATED THE LOGISTICS OF THIS.
ARE YOU ABLE TO TAP THROUGH THE SLIDES AS I PROCEED ALSO TO USE THAT? OH, PERFECT, THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO QUICK ORIENTATION ON BASICALLY JUST COVERED THIS, BUT THE SUBJECT SITE IS APPROXIMATELY IN ITS CURRENT FORM 3.65 ACRES LOCATED NORTHWEST OF SAWMILL AND MARTIN ROADS.
IT'S IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT'S COMMERCIAL ZONE, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT COMMERCIAL.
UH, IF WE MOVE ON TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS PLAN, THERE'S A ROUGHLY ACRE GROSS, UM, SQUARE FOOT FLOOR AREA BUILDING ON THE SITE AND A PARKING LOT WITH 170 SPACES TO SERVE THAT BUILDING.
UH, THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY A GABE'S RETAIL STORE.
AND QUICK BACKGROUND ON THE PROCESS THAT GOT US HERE TONIGHT.
UM, I'M JOINED BY MR. VENKAT, BO BOOTY, BY THE WAY.
HE'S THE OWNER OF SK INVESTMENTS, WHO IS IN TURN THE OWNER OF THE SITE AND THE BUILDING.
UM, I WAS TASKED WITH INVESTIGATING THE POSSIBILITIES FOR AN OUT PARCEL USE ON THIS SITE, UH, IN THE EXISTING PARKING FIELD.
SO DID MY DUE DILIGENCE RESEARCH, THE ZONING CODE, THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT PLANNING RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND WE KINDA FORMULATED A, A PLAN FOR WHAT THIS MIGHT START TO LOOK LIKE AND PRETTY QUICKLY RAN INTO A COUPLE MINOR ISSUES.
ONE OF THEM BEING, GETTING THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR BOTH THE RESIDUAL LOT THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO SERVE THE GABES AND WHAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL FUTURE OUT PARCEL.
UM, SO THAT WAS ONE POSSIBLE CONCERN.
AND THE OTHER BEING THE BRIDGE STREET COMMERCIAL DIS OR COMMERCIAL CENTER DIAGRAM WOULD HAVE THE BUILDING OUT AT THE CORNER OF THE SITE.
AND THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, OVERHEAD ELECTRIC LINE THAT SORT OF, UH, STARTS AT TWO POLES THAT START, YOU KNOW, EITHER WEST AND NORTH OF THAT INTERSECTION AND THE LINE CUTS THE CORNER.
SO WHERE WE WANTED TO PUT THAT BUILDING WOULD LIKELY BE IN CONFLICT WITH THE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC.
SO FOR THE, UH, CONCERN ABOUT PARKING, UH, WE ASSUME MAYBE WE'D BE LOOKING AT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON THAT.
UM, AND THE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC, WE ASSUMED THERE WOULD BE SOME WAY TO
UM, SO WE FORMULATED A PRETTY SOLID CONCEPT PLAN, UH, REACHED OUT TO CITY STAFF, UH, WORKED WITH MR. BATAR, SET UP A FEW INFORMAL MEETINGS.
WE HAD TWO INFORMAL MEETINGS AND WE HAD THE, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF FROM ALL THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS IN TO WEIGH IN AND GIVE US FEEDBACK.
UM, GENERALLY THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPTS AND WE ACTUALLY GOT SOME PRETTY USEFUL INFORMATION ON
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OUR PARKING CONCERN FROM, I I MIGHT BUTCHER THIS.UM, SO SHE SUGGESTED WE LOOK IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT GENERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND MAYBE WE COULD GET SOME INCENTIVES TO TAKE DOWN THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, PARKING BURDEN FOR THE SITE.
SO REAL QUICKLY WE LOOKED AT THAT, UH, THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT WE KEYED INTO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE USEFUL AND IMPLIED AT THE SITE ONE WAS, UM, AUTO SHARE PARKING SPACES.
SO THAT'S, UH, EFFECTIVELY AS I UNDERSTAND IT WOULD BE LIKE A CARPOOL SPACE THAT YOU DESIGNATE ON A SITE WITH SIGNAGE.
AND WE COULD REDUCE THE TOTAL MINIMUM REQUIRED PARKING BY 10%, UTILIZING THAT ON BOTH OF THE SITES.
UM, WE COULD ALSO APPLY A TRANSIT PROXIMITY CREDIT.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THIS DIAGRAM IS SHOWING.
IF WE'RE WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF, IN THIS CASE, CODE OF BUS STATIONS, WE CAN REDUCE THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, ANOTHER 10%.
SO WITH THAT, WE CAME BACK WITH ANOTHER CONCEPT PLAN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DESCRIBED WHERE WE WERE WITH THE PARKING, FELT LIKE WE WOULD MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT KIND OF LEFT THE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC CONCERN.
AND TO THAT END, I MET WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE FROM A EP ON SITE YESTERDAY MORNING, ACTUALLY GAVE US A COUPLE OF OPTIONS FLIPPED THROUGH TO THE CONCEPT PLAN HERE.
SO, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS THE ACTUAL CONCEPT THAT WE PRESENTED THE DOUBLED STAFF.
A COUPLE TIMES IN RED, YOU CAN SEE THE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC, UH, MEETING WITH THE A EP.
THERE'S MAYBE THREE OR FOUR OPTIONS, BUT THERE'S A POLE SORT OF MID SOUTH OF THE BUILDING.
AND ANOTHER POLE ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WAY UP THE EAST ELEVATION ON SAWMILL.
WHILE WE CAN'T ADD A POLE THAT WOULD MAKE THAT A 90 DEGREE ANGLE, WE COULD POTENTIALLY ADD A NEW POLE OR RELOCATE THAT FIRST POLE UP SAWMILL TO SOMEWHERE INSIDE OF THE SIDEWALK ON THE CORNER THERE.
AND THAT GIVES US AN ANGLE APPROACHING 90, THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM FOR THE BUILDING.
AND WERE WE TO RELOCATE THAT POLE, THAT'S A THIRD OF THE WAY UP THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR AN INTERMEDIATE POLE BETWEEN THE NEW POLE AT THE CORNER.
AND, UH, THE POLE THAT'S CLOSER TO OUR CURB CUT, UH, THAT'S RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT BY THE WAY, UP THERE ON SAWMILL.
AND THAT WOULD MAYBE REMOVE THE POLE FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND ALLOW US TO GET THAT BUILDING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE CORNER IN THEORY, UM, DETAILS, TBD.
SO AFTER THOSE INVESTIGATIONS, DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY STAFF, TALKING TO A EP, THE AP, THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE HAVE, WE THINK IS PRETTY VIABLE.
UH, THERE'S PROBABLY STILL GONNA BE A NEED TO MOVE THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT OFF OF SAWMILL ROAD, BUT, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT.
AND WE'VE ALSO HAD DISCUSSIONS, MR. BATAR SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SORT OF A EXTRANEOUS LOADING, UH, LAYING BEHIND THE BUILDING.
WE COULD POTENTIALLY CONSOLIDATE THAT WITH THE DRIVE AISLE.
SO TAKE THIS BUILDING BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, YOU KNOW, SOLVES THE PROBLEM WITH THE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC, UH, CONSOLIDATE THE CIRCULATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT ENABLE US TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY THERE ON SAWMILL ROAD.
UM, THIS IS A SPECULATIVE BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, I, I'VE DRAWN A BOX ON THE PLAN HERE.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THE USERS MIGHT BE.
IF THERE WERE A RESTAURANT USER, POTENTIALLY THERE WOULD BE OUTDOOR DINING SPACE, EITHER ON THAT CORNER, MAYBE SLIGHTLY INCREASED FRONTAGE ON SAWMILL ROAD.
UM, THE BUILDING ITSELF, YEAH, WE, YOU KNOW, 5,500 SQUARE FEET, PROBABLY ONE STORY.
I DON'T THINK WE'D GET HIGHER THAN THAT BECAUSE OF THE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC AND PROXIMITY TO IT.
UM, ALL THE DETAILS OF THE ARCHITECTURE, TBD.
AND THAT IS KIND OF THE, THE GENERAL OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
I I THINK WE MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND WE HAVE A PLAN FOR MAKING THIS ACTIONABLE.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO GET FEEDBACK, COMMENTS, CONCERNS.
UM, WANNA THANK BASSAM AND DUBLIN STAFF AGAIN FOR THE HELP THEY'VE PROVIDED IN GETTING US TO THIS POINT.
AND, UH, HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'LL INVITE YOU BACK UP WHEN WE DO QUESTIONS.
WE'D LIKE TO TURN THE TIME OVER TO MR. BATAR.
AND BEAR WITH ME FOR JUST A SECOND.
UM, THIS, UH, APPLICATION IS AT THE CONCEPT PLAN STAGE AS MR. MOREHEAD, UH, MENTIONED.
SO AT THIS STAGE, WE ARE REALLY NOT LOOKING AT THE DETAILS OF LANDSCAPING BI UH, ARCHITECTURE DETAILS YET.
IT'S, UH, THE APPLICANT TRYING TO GET SOME FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF THE, UH, COMMISSIONS COMFORT LEVEL WITH THIS PROJECT PROCEEDING AND HOW IT FITS WITHIN THE
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PLANS FOR THE AREA.AND, UH, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS THAT WE WILL RAISE FOR YOU AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.
SO IF THEY MOVE FORWARD, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THEN THEY COULD MOVE ON TO PERMITS.
SO THE SITE, UM, MR. MOORE HAD DESCRIBED THE LOCATION.
IT IS THE SOUTHERNMOST PARCEL IN DEEP BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT RIGHT NOW THE PROPERTY LINE ACTUALLY EXTENDS INTO THE PAVEMENT.
SO IF THIS PROCEEDS, THERE WOULD BE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, RIGHT OF WAY TREATMENTS AND POTENTIALLY THE, UH, UH, STREETS SCAPE STANDARDS IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY APPLY HERE.
THE, UH, ZONING TO THE NORTH IS THE SAME.
IT'S A BRIDGE STREET COMMERCIAL.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE EAST SIDE OF SUMMER ROAD, THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, UH, TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, THE, THE DISCOVERED CHRISTIAN CHURCHES IN AN R TWO, UM, ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THEN THE PARCEL IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH ACROSS MARTIN ROAD IS A MEYER OUTLET.
IT IS WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN, ALTHOUGH THE MEYER STORE ITSELF IS IN COLUMBUS, SO THAT'S IN A PLANNED DISTRICT, UM, AT THAT LOCATION.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPENING WITHIN THE SAME AREA.
UM, WANTED TO JUST TOUCH ON THE HISTORY JUST A LITTLE BIT, UH, BECAUSE IT'S SOMEWHAT RELEVANT, BECAUSE THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT AS A SPORTING GOODS STORE BACK IN THE EARLY NINETIES.
AND AT THE TIME, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT PARKING BECAUSE, UH, THE THOUGHT WAS IF THE BUILDING WERE TO BE SPLIT INTO SMALLER, UH, USES THAT THAT MAY CHANGE THE PARKING CALCULATIONS.
AS THIS MOVED THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY, UH, UH, AT THE TIME, UH, REZONED IT TO A PLANNED, UH, COMMERCE DISTRICT, WHICH ALLOWED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD STACKS THAT SET SOME PARAMETERS FOR USES AND SOME LIMITS IN TERMS OF, UH, WHEN, UM, THE PARKING WOULD BE DISCUSSED, DEPENDING ON THE TYPES OF USES THAT MAY BE PRESENTED.
IT WAS ALSO PREDICATED ON HAVING JOINT ACCESS AND JOINT PARKING WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER TO THE NORTH.
AND EVEN THE ARCHITECTURE WAS COORDINATED WITH THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, FAST FORWARD TO 2012 WHEN EVERYTHING WAS ZONED, UH, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, MANY OF THOSE STANDARDS, UH, PRETTY MUCH WENT AWAY BECAUSE THE BRIDGE STREET STANDARDS REQUIRED A LOT LESS PARKING THAN, UH, THE PREVIOUS, UH, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO WANTED TO SET THE STAGE THOUGH THAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE PART OF A BIGGER PICTURE IN THE, UH, IN THE VICINITY.
IT IS, UH, WITH THE ENVISION DUBLIN, IT WAS PLACED INTO THE FUTURE.
UH, THE LAND USE CATEGORY IS THE MIXED USE URBAN, WHICH IS INTENDED TO CON UH, START THE PROCESS OF, UH, URBANIZING THE AREA, UH, FROM THE AUTO ORIENTED, UH, CHARACTER THAT IT HAS RIGHT NOW.
AND PROMOTING, UH, MORE WALKABLE USES THE MIXED USE URBAN STRETCHES ACROSS A LARGER AREA.
SO THERE ARE SOME NUANCES TO THE, UH, SW ROAD FRONTAGE.
SO WHEREAS, UH, YOU'LL SEE THREE TO SIX STORY BUILDINGS BEING PREFERRED IN THE, UH, CHARACTER AREA, UH, IN GENERAL, THE REST OF THE PLAN ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE SELMA ROAD FRONTAGE IS AN, UH, CONTINUAL PROCESS.
SO, UH, STARTING WITH USES, IT DOES, AS YOU SEE WITH PRINCIPAL USES, IT DOES ALLOW COMMERCIAL AND EATING AND DRINKING, WHICH ARE THE USES THAT ARE ENVISIONED FOR THIS BUILDING.
SO THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.
THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SPECIAL AREA PLAN, UH, PUTS THIS INTO THE EAST BRIDGE STREET SUB AREA.
AND AGAIN, THE INTENT IS, UH, DENSIFYING THE AREA.
BUT AS YOU SEE IN THE LAST BULLET POINT, IT TALKS ABOUT THE, A LITTLE BIT OF A GREEN EDGE ALONG SAWER ROAD.
AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ENVISIONED TO BE A LARGE SETBACK.
IT'S SIMPLY ENVISIONED AS ENOUGH SPACE TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF A LANDSCAPE AREA SO THAT THE ROADWAY FRONTAGE IS, UH, A LITTLE MORE PLEASING.
UM, MR. MOORE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, TRANSIT AND THE PROXIMITY OF, UH, OF EXISTING BUS STOPS, BUT ALSO THE FUTURE BUS, RAPID, RAPID TRANSIT THAT WOULD COME UP THE CORRIDOR.
SO, UH, THAT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.
AGAIN, YOU SEE THE SITE IS AT THE SOUTHERNMOST, UH, PART OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
AND IT, UH, ALONG WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING, IT BASICALLY OCCUPIES THE FULL WIDTH FROM, UH, SUMMER ROAD TO MARCY LANE IN HERE.
SO IT LITERALLY IS THE THREE STREETS THAT BOND THE, UH, THE BOUNDARY OF THE, UH, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
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THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, THERE ARE SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS, SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD CATEGORIES.UH, THE, UH, BRIDGE STREET COMMERCIAL DISTRICT DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE ITS OWN NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS.
IT, IT TALKS IN GENERAL ABOUT THE, UH, EXISTING RETAIL CENTERS THAT ARE LOCATED IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW.
AND FOR THAT REASON, IT DOES ALLOW LOW RISE, UM, EVEN INDIVIDUAL FREESTANDING RETAIL BUILDING.
SO AGAIN, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH THIS PROPOSAL AT, AT THIS VERY EARLY STAGE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION FOR THAT, FOR THAT AREA.
UM, THAT CODE DOES TALK ABOUT, UH, FUTURE, POTENTIAL FUTURE VERTICAL MIXED USE DISTRICT, WHICH EXISTS ONLY ON PAPER RIGHT NOW.
IT DOES NOT REALLY EXIST ANYWHERE, UH, WITH THAT DESIGNATION.
UH, BUT THAT IS, UH, ENVISIONED AS, UH, AT LEAST SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS AN INTERIM STEP TOWARDS, UH, POTENTIAL FUTURE DENSIFICATION.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MANY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE VISIONS IN THE, IN THE CODE.
AND AGAIN, NO VERY NO SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
I WOULD NOTE THOUGH, THE AREA JUST TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS THE SAW CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT WITHIN BRIDGE STREET, ALSO ALLOWS THE SAME TYPE OF USES ALONG THE SAW FRONTAGE, UH, WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE BRIDGET STREET, UH, NETWORK PLAN, UM, AS YOU KNOW, HAS, UH, SEVERAL CLASSIFICATIONS OF STREETS.
SUMMER ROAD IS, UH, A CORRIDOR CONNECTOR AND A PRINCIPAL FRONTED STREET, AND YOU'LL RECALL THAT PRINCIPLE FRONTED STREETS.
WE TRY TO LIMIT ACCESS AND, UH, THERE'S ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT APPLY THERE THAT ALSO BECAUSE OF THE DESIGNATION AS A PRINCIPAL FRONTED STREET ACCESS, THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
SO, UM, MARTIN ROAD AND, UM, UH, MARCY LANE ARE BOTH NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS AND ARE CONSIDERED THE, UH, CORNER SIDE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PROPOSED BUILDING.
IN TERMS OF THE SITE PLAN, I THINK MR. MOORHEAD DID A VERY NICE JOB OF DESCRIBING IT.
UH, YOU'LL SEE ON THE AERIAL AND THE YELLOW BOUNDARY, THE PROPOSED LOT SPLIT.
THAT'S, UH, CONTEMPLATED ABOUT HALF AN ACRE OF THE EXISTING PARKING LOT THAT WOULD BE OCCUPIED BY THE BUILDING.
AND, UM, SOME PARKING THAT WOULD REMAIN.
THE BUILDING TYPE THAT IS MOST LIKELY TO, TO BE BUILT HERE WOULD BE THE COMMERCIAL CENTER BUILDING TYPE, WHICH HAS A REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE OF FIVE TO 25 FEET.
AND SO, AS SHOWN RIGHT NOW, IT'S CLOSER TO THE FIVE FOOT, UM, EDGE.
WE DO THINK THAT, UH, IT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT SHIFTING IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE WEST AND BE A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE WITH THE LOADING AND, AND DUMPSTER, UH, LOCATIONS TO CREATE THAT LITTLE BIT OF A GREEN EDGE, KEEP IT A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE FOR USERS OF THE BUILDING, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE, UH, RESTAURANT USES.
AND ALSO TRY TO AVOID WHAT WE ARE GUESSING ARE, UH, SOME EASEMENTS FOR THE A EP LINES.
SO, UH, WE THINK THAT THAT STALL COULD WORK AT THAT LOCATION.
THE, UH, THAT BUILDING TYPE ALSO REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 45% FRONT PROPERTY LINE COVERAGE.
AND SO WITH THE YELLOW LINE BEING THE PROPOSED PARCEL, THAT FRONTAGE ALONG SLIMER ROAD WOULD DEFINITELY MEET THAT.
UM, IF IT MOVES FURTHER, WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS AND THE LOCK COVERAGE AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF, UH, STANDARDS.
AND, UH, BUT I WOULD MENTION IN TERMS OF, UH, SINCE MR. MORA TALKED ABOUT THE, THE PARKING, UM, THEY DO QUALIFY FOR THE TRANSIT, UH, PROXIMITY, UM, BONUS, WHICH IS THAT 10%.
UH, THEY'RE ALSO, UH, LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY USING THE AUTO SHARE, UH, BONUS, WHICH ALLOWS FOR ANOTHER REDUCTION.
UH, THAT ONE MAY NOT, UH, APPLY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE ARE NOT AWARE OF RIGHT SHARE PROGRAMS IN THE CENTRAL OHIO AREA.
BUT THAT CERTAINLY, UH, THOSE REQUIREMENTS COULD BE LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT MORE IF WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE BUILDING.
AND SO WE THINK, GIVEN THE HISTORY THAT I MENTIONED ABOUT THE INTENT FOR ALL OF THESE, UH, PARCELS TO WORK TOGETHER, THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO LOOK AT A PARKING PLAN WHEN THEY COME IN FOR, UH, PRELIMINARY OR FINAL AND ADDRESS THE PARKING NEEDS WITHOUT NECESSARILY, UH, UH, COMPROMISING SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, NEEDS FOR, UH, HOW WE LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL USES.
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UM, JUST A FEW PICTURES.THE, THE, UH, ONE TO THE LEFT IS STANDING RIGHT AT THE CORNER LOOKING STRAIGHT WEST, SO YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING STORE IN THE BACK, WHICH IS NO LONGER, UH, SPORTING GOODS BY, IT'S STILL A SINGLE USER DEPARTMENT STORE.
AND THEN THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS LOOKING RIGHT UP, UH, NORTH ON SO ROAD, SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE SHRUBS ARE AND THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO, UH, UH, THE SIDEWALK ALONG SOMO.
SO IT WOULD BENEFIT FROM BEING PUSHED BACK A LITTLE BIT.
I APOLOGIZE FOR HOW SLOWLY THIS IS MOVING, BUT A FEW PICTURES, UH, FROM INSIDE THE SITE.
THIS IS THE, UH, AGAIN, SOMA ROAD TO THE, UH, LEFT OF THIS PICTURE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING HEDGE AND, UH, LOOKING ACROSS SAWMILL AND TOWARDS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
AND SO WITH THAT, WE HAD, UM, A FEW DISCUSSION QUESTIONS THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING, UM, YOU CONSIDER.
ONE IS IF THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE USES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, WHICH ARE RETAIL AND EATING AND DRINKING, UM, IF THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT IN GENERAL.
UM, SAME THING WITH PARKING AND CIRCULATION, AND THEN ANY OTHER THOUGHTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'LL GO INSIDE OUT AGAIN THIS TIME, STARTING WITH MR. ALEXANDER.
UM, ASK HIM IF YOU COULD CLARIFY.
SO UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, THIS PROPOSED USE IS ACCEPTABLE, HOWEVER, OUR ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN SUGGESTS SOMETHING ELSE SHOULD OCCUR THERE, RIGHT? NO, IT, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH BOTH.
SO IS IT, SO THE ENVISION BUBBLE PLAN, UH, UM, PERMITS RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL AS SUPPORTING USES TO, UM, OTHERS LIKE OFFICE OR HOSPITALITY OR, UM, OTHER SIMILAR USES THAT WOULD HELP PROMOTE THAT WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT, BUT IT DOES PERMIT THE, UH, PROPOSED USES.
IS IT ALSO PROMOTING THREE TO FIVE STORY STRUCTURES? IT'S, UH, IT, IT IS IN, IN GENERAL FOR, BECAUSE THE, UM, PLAN COVERS A MUCH LARGER AREA.
SO YES, IT PROMOTES LARGER STRUCTURES BY A TECHNOLOGIST, THE INTERIM STEPS ALONG THE, ON THE ROAD FRONTAGE.
SO, UH, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CLA FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION THEN, UH, IS WHEN THE UTILITIES ARE BURIED, DO THOSE TREES GO, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE TREES AT THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE? SO FOR CLARIFICATION, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT BURYING IT, THEY WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT MOUNTING NEW POLES TO STRING IT DIFFERENTLY SO THAT THAT 45 DEGREE ANGLE, SO ARE THE, IS DELETED.
IS THERE ANY, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE TREES IN THE PLANT? UH, SO WE COULD PROBABLY SEE FROM SOME OF THE SITE PICTURES MR. BATAR SHARED, BUT, UH, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT, AND YOU DO WANNA STAY AT THE MICROPHONE FOR, BECAUSE IT'S PUBLIC RECORD, SO WE HAVE TO KEEP MINUTES, APOLOGIES.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, LOWER ELBOW THERE, UH, IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THAT WHITE CAR AND PLAN, THAT LINE IS CUTTING ACROSS A HONEY LOCUST.
I TALKED TO THE A EP REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT THAT.
HE SUGGESTED IT'S APPARENTLY NOT AN ISSUE AS IS.
THEY MIGHT WANNA TRIM IT UP, BUT, UH, WITH THE NEW CONFIGURATION, THE LINES WOULD BE FULLY OUTSIDE OF THAT TREE.
HOW THAT TREE MIGHT BE IMPACTED BY THE BUILDING, UH, IS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED.
BUT I DON'T THINK, UH, RESTRAIN THE LINES WOULD AFFECT THE TREE NEGATIVELY.
AND YOUR, YOUR PLAN PROPOSES TO BE BUILDING FAR ENOUGH AWAY THAT YOU'RE NOT COMPROMISING THE STRUCTURE OF THE TREES? UM, I DON'T, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE CLOSELY ORCHESTRATED TO BUILD A BUILDING IN THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE TREE.
I WOULD IMAGINE WE WOULD PROBABLY DISTURB SOME OF THE DRIP LINE, BUT THAT DRIP LINE IS ALSO PARKING LOT CURRENTLY.
SO YEAH, THERE MIGHT BE IMPACTS.
MR. DESLER, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ABOUT WHAT OTHER OPTIONS COULD GO ON THAT LOCATION BESIDES THIS POTENTIAL PERCEIVED, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT?
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I WILL SAY THAT WE DID FLOAT THE IDEA OF A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT USE, AND THAT WAS VIEWED NEGATIVELY.THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH.
UH, IS IT, I THINK YOU SAID THIS, BUT I WANNA CONFIRM FAIR TO ASSUME THAT THE FACT THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A ONE STORY, YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S NO, UH, WHAT THOSE POWER LINES, THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU'RE, YOU COULD MAKE THIS A, A TWO STORY OR THREE STORY TYPE BUILDING AT THAT LOCATION? I, I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD SAY AT THIS POINT, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM A EPI SPOKE TO SUGGESTED I DOWNLOAD THE NEC AND REVIEW THAT FOR WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO.
UM, GENERALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO BE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC.
SO I MEAN, HORIZONTALLY THAT PROBABLY PUSHES US 15 FEET FURTHER INTO THE SITE.
IF I HAD TO GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD ANSWER THAT AT THIS TIME.
AND YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS, BUT I WANTED, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.
SO THE AREA IN YELLOW IS THAT A SUBDIVIDED LAND PROPERTY UNRELATED TO THE PARKING LOT AND THAT EXISTING BUILDING? I, I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY THE DIRECTION WE WOULD GO.
IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE'D HAVE TO GET A TAP FROM COLUMBUS FOR A WATER SERVICES, AND WE PROBABLY NEED A SEPARATE PARCEL FOR THAT REASON ALONE.
SO WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF COMMITMENT TO A, A RESTRICTION THAT CARRIES WITH THE PROPERTY FOR THE ELECTRIC EASEMENT THAT'S LIKELY OUT THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION YET, BUT I'M SURE IT'S THERE.
WAS THERE CONSIDERATION FOR MAYBE SUBDIVIDING A DIFFERENT AREA OF THAT, THE PROPERTY? OR IS THAT NOT IN SCOPE? UM, I GUESS FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, THE, THE BUILDING PROBABLY WANTS TO BE ON THAT CORNER.
I THINK THE CORRECT COMMERCIAL CENTER, UM, DIAGRAM SUGGESTS THAT WE WOULD HOLD THE CORNER WITH SOME SORT OF ARCHITECTURE.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
IT JUST SEEMS TO BE THE MOST LOGICAL PLACE TO PUT THE BUILDING.
UH, I'M NOT DISAGREEING, I'M JUST JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY BRAINSTORMING HERE TOGETHER, THAT'S REALLY THE IDEA.
I FEEL JUST LOOKING AT THIS, IT FEELS A LITTLE TRAPPED ON THAT CORNER.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTIONS ABOUT IF THERE WERE, YOU THOUGHT ABOUT OTHER LOCATIONS I 'CAUSE ACROSS MARTIN ROAD, WHAT IS IT, A FIVE GUYS AND SOMETHING ELSE? IS THAT WHAT IS THERE? I THINK GETTING CONFIRMATION FROM A
UM, I, I ASKED HIM, HAVE YOU HAD, I'LL, I'LL JUST KIND OF THROW THAT QUESTION TO YOU.
HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT OTHER IDEAS, OTHER OPTIONS, WHETHER IT'S THE SAME LOCATION IN THE LOT ON A SUBDIVIDE OR, OR OTHER LOCATIONS WITHIN THAT AREA? SO AS MR. MOORE HAD MENTIONED, THE, UH, BASED ON THE BRIDGE STREET STANDARDS, HOLDING THE CORNER IS, UH, ONE OF THE CRITICAL, UH, CONSIDERATIONS.
SO, UH, WE LOOKED AT IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT AS, UH, POSITIVE, IF WE CAN ADDRESS HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE STREET.
UH, I SHOULD MENTION THAT SINCE THE BRIDGE STREET CODE WAS ADOPTED, WE HAVE, I BELIEVE MAYBE THREE OTHER PARCELS AND THIS GENERAL VICINITY THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED.
THE MOST RECENT IS CHASE BANK, UH, FEW BLOCKS TO THE NORTH, AND THEN YOU HAVE PIATA ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT.
BOTH OF BOTH OF THOSE ARE HUGGING THE CORNER BASICALLY, BUT THEY STARTED OUT WITH SMALLER PARCELS.
AND THEN SLEEP NUMBER, WHICH IS A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS JUST SOUTH OF PIATA, IS SOMEWHAT OF THE EXCEPTION BECAUSE THAT SITS BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON THE LOT AND IT'S, UH, BUT THE, THOSE ARE ALL THREE STORE, UH, I'M SORRY, ONE, SO STORY BUILDINGS, BUT THEY HAVE SOME HEIGHT TO THEM.
YEAH, WHEN I, WHEN I ORIGINALLY READ THIS AND CHECKED OUT THE LOCATION, PIATA WAS THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MY MIND WHEN TRYING TO COMPARE PIECES.
NOW I HAD QUESTIONS AROUND THE DRIVE THROUGH THING TOO, BUT MORE DISCUSSION.
YOU MENTIONED, UM, THE STREETSCAPE STANDARDS FOR BRIDGE PARK.
HOW WOULD THOSE APPLY? SO THANK YOU SO MUCH,
HOW WOULD THOSE APPLY TO THE SITE HERE?
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UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE GONNA BE DISCUSSING FURTHER WITH TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY IF THIS, UH, MOVES FORWARD BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED IT, IT ONLY STRETCHES FROM SAWMILL TO MARCY LANE AND HERE AND THE OTHER SIDE OF MARTIN ROAD IS OUTSIDE OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.SO, UH, MOST LIKELY YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT ON STREET PARKING TOO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION WITH SAWMILL.
SO THOSE DETAILS ARE ONES THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO THE, THE, THERE'S AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ON SAWMILL THAT'S VERY NARROW AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
SO IN ORDER TO DO A, A TYPICAL BRIDGE PARK STREET SCAPE THAT HAS A TREE LAWN WITH TREES AND THE, YOU'D NEED, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE TYPICAL KIND OF DIMENSION YOU WOULD NEED TO ACHIEVE THAT? YEAH, SO LOOK AND FEEL MOST LIKELY WOULD BE ON MARTIN ROAD ITSELF BECAUSE, SO ROAD IS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S JU MUCH OF IT IS IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS JURISDICTION.
SO WITH SOME OF THOSE OTHER EXAMPLES THAT I MENTIONED, UH, THAT STANDARD I SHOULD HAVE, UH, CLARIFIED, THAT STANDARD HAS NOT BEEN APPLIED SO FAR TO SO ROAD.
I THINK THE INTENT AGAIN IS WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF A GREEN EDGE TO ALLOW FOR LANDSCAPING, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE THE FULL SCALE, UH, SWEET SCAPE STANDARD RIGHT AT THAT LOCATION.
SO AGAIN, I, THIS, THIS TO YOU MENTIONED SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AND I GUESS WE COULD GO BACK AND COMPARE THOSE, BUT BY LOCATING A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE AND TRYING TO MAKE IT FEEL LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE DUBLIN BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE A, A DIFFERENT KIND OF CONDITION.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD TO REALLY DEAL WITH LIKE A SAWMILL ROAD EDGE AND IT MIGHT NOT, IT MIGHT NOT, MIGHT NOT MEET THE STANDARDS OF WHAT WE'RE TYPICALLY USED TO, UH, IN DUBLIN.
YEAH, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM ON WHATEVER COULD BE DONE TO, UH, MAKE THE SIDEWALK A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND THE, UH, AGAIN, THE SPACE BETWEEN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE BUILDING ITSELF.
BUT YES, AT THIS STAGE IT'S, UH, MARTIN ROAD IS PROBABLY THE MORE LIKELY TO BE.
BUT I GUESS I'M THINKING TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND WANTING TO MAKE THIS AREA DENSER, THAT THIS IS A CONDITION THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, IS GONNA COME UP MORE AND MORE OF WHAT, WHAT IS THE CONDITION ALONG SAWMILL ROAD OF A, OF A APPROPRIATE STREET SCAPE AND IMAGE AND QUALITY THAT WE WOULD WANT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT, UH, PUTS IT IN THAT INTERIM CATEGORY THAT WE ARE NOT EXPECTING THAT IT'S GONNA JUMP FROM WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW TO SIX STORY BUILDINGS.
THERE'S THAT INTERIM ONE UNTIL THERE IS SOME, UH, CRITICAL MASS ALONG STORM ROAD ITSELF.
UM, THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S REALLY THE, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD.
MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
IT'S, UH, GOOD TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT MARTIN ROAD AND THE SPEED, DOES IT START AT 25 STARTING AT SAWMILL WHEN YOU TURN ON SAWMILL? I KNOW IT GETS, UH, IT HAS A CERTAIN SPEED THROUGHOUT.
YEAH, WE TYPICALLY ALLOW OUR, UH, TRANSPORTATION MORBIDITY AND ENGINEERS, UH, UH, STAFF, ENGINEERING STAFF TO LOOK AT THE SPEED.
I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT THERE IS, BUT THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S CERTAINLY WOULD BE CONSIDERED, UH, REGARDLESS OF THIS COMMISSION'S ACTIONS.
AND THEN DUMPSTERS, DO PEOPLE SHARE DUMPSTERS AREAS? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? YEAH, I THINK THERE ARE MANY LOCATIONS WHERE THOSE ARE, UH, HAVE, HAVE BEEN DONE.
IT'S, UH, WOULD BE THE LOGISTICS OF THIS SITE AND THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK AT IF THIS PROJECT MOVES INTO MORE DETAIL.
SO LIKE PIATA OR, UM, OTHER LOCATIONS THAT ARE SIMILAR.
I WAS ALSO THINKING ABOUT LOWE'S AND FIRST WATCH IN A WAY TOO, BUT, UM, IS THERE A WAY TO TO TO SEND THEM A SURVEY OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT? JUST SAYING HOW MANY PEOPLE ON YOUR OUTDOOR PATIO, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY HAVE AN OUTDOOR PATIO ON SAWMILL ROAD, USE THAT OUTDOOR PATIO ON SAWMILL ROAD? YEAH, I THINK ON, ON NICE DAYS YOU TYPICALLY SEE PEOPLE SITTING THERE, IT'S, UH, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION MM-HMM
AND AGAIN, THAT BUILDING'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO I THINK, THAN THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS.
CHASE BANK AND THE UH, UH, STEEP NUMBER PART
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OF IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE ALIGNMENT OF THE ROAD AND WHERE TURN LANES ARE LOCATED AS WELL.BUT PEOPLE SEEM TO STILL SET OUT THERE REGARDLESS.
WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR US TO HAVE LIKE A SURVEY OR SOMETHING OF THAT, OF THE BUSINESSES? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TO THIS, TO FINDING OUT INFORMATION FOR YOU ALL? YEAH, I THINK IN TERMS OF PEOPLE SITTING OUT THERE VERSUS MM-HMM
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TY IN TERMS OF HOW OFTEN YEAH.
WHO'S OUTSIDE AND ON SAWMILL ROAD, UM, DO YOUR CUSTOMERS END UP GOING OUT THERE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UM, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING TO, YOU KNOW, SENDING OUT A SURVEY OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT.
YEAH, I, I SAID THAT'S SOMETHING WE, I MEAN A LOT OF IT IS OBSERVATION AS WELL, BUT UH, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, UH, CHECKED INTO AND SIGNAGE.
IT SEEMS LIKE GABE'S SIGNAGE IS RIGHT THERE.
IS WOULD THAT, AND NOT THAT WE HAVE TO, I SHOULD NOT HAVE THINK OF A SIGN THERE IS THAT, OH, IT'S OVER THERE.
I HAVE MY, WHEN I WENT OUT THERE, I WAS SEEING THERE SIGN THERE.
LOOKED LIKE THAT THERE, SO, OKAY.
UM, AND THEN IT, IT JUST, THE, THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS DE-EMPHASIZING GREEN SPACE, BUT THEN THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO THINK OF THE PLAZAS, POCKET PARKS, PUBLIC SQUARES, IS THAT WE SHOULD BE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO.
SO THERE, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR OPEN SPACE TYPES AND OPEN SPACE, UH, UH, MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THERE.
UH, FOR THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING, IT WOULD EQUATE TO A LITTLE LESS THAN 110 SQUARE FEET, WHICH TECHNICALLY IS LESS THAN THE SMALLEST OPEN SPACE TYPE WE HAVE IN THE CODE.
AND SO THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR THAT.
AGAIN, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THOSE BECAUSE THERE ARE, UH, POSSIBILITIES OF, UH, DOING A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF OPEN SPACE FOR SMALLER SITES.
OR THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES LIKE CHASE BANK WHERE THEY CREATED A SMALL AREA FOR A SCULPTURE.
SO THOSE DETAILS WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT AS WE LOOK AT THE CRITERIA OF THE CODE.
I, I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THE LAUGHTER.
WE SAW ELEPHANTS GOING BY, LITERALLY THERE WAS A LIGHTED DISPLAY OF SOME SORT THAT HAD AN ELEPHANT THAT WENT BY, SO I APOLOGIZE.
IT WAS A BARN AND BAILEY FLOAT, LIKE BARN AND BAILEY MARQUE.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE SNICKERING.
IT'S NOT EVERY DAY THAT, WELL, WHEN THEY GET REALLY LATE, MAYBE WE SEE ELEPHANTS, BUT THEY, THEY MAY BE TOO BIG TO ENJOY THE OPEN SPACE TYPE WE CAN CREATE HERE, SO.
SO FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, AGAIN, APPRECIATE THIS, UH, CONVERSATION.
THE, THE QUESTION I HAD, SUE, MINIMUM, I AM SURE YOU STUDIED THIS.
BASED ON YOUR PERFORM, IS THERE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF TENANTS AND A MINIMUM SIZE OF BUILDING THAT MAKES THE, LIKE SAYING SO WHERE IT BECOMES NOT, NOT FEASIBLE FINANCIALLY? I DON'T HAVE, I'M NOT PRIVY TO THAT.
I MIGHT DEFER TO THE OWNER ON THAT QUESTION.
UM, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT FOUR TENANTS MAX FOR THIS BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE SHOWING THREE, ASSUMING WE HAVE A LARGER SPACE POTENTIALLY FOR A RESTAURANT USE, IF THAT PARTIALLY ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
YEAH, I JUST, AGAIN, IT, I THINK WE'RE ALL GETTING AT, IT'S A VERY SCRUNCHED BUILDING IF THE BUILDING COULD BE SMALLER PERHAPS AS A, AS AN OPTION.
SORRY, I'M DELIBERATING, UH, THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE ABOUT LIKE THE, THE JOURNEY FOR THE CUSTOMER ON THE SITE? HOW, HOW DO YOU ENVISION THEM? UH, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, GOING PA GOING SOUTH ON SELMA ROAD, TURNING DOWN MARTIN TURNING IN THAT WAY.
AND THEN ONCE THEY PARK, ARE THEY WALKING AROUND AROUND THE BUILDING AND AROUND THE LOADING AREA OR REAR ENTRY OR HAVE YOU, I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T PROBABLY GOT THAT FAR, BUT AS YOU'VE CONSIDERED THAT, UH, I'VE CERTAINLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
UM, I THINK IT, IT PROBABLY DOES MAKE SOME SENSE FOR US TO CONSOLIDATE THE DRIVE AISLE AND THE LOADING AREA AND WE'LL HAVE LOADING HAPPENING IN THE OFF HOURS OF THE DRIVE AISLE.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY AFFECTING THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.
WE WANT TO TRY AND TRANSITION TO A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTATION, BUT REALISTICALLY IN THE NEAR TERM, LOTS OF PEOPLE WILL DRIVE AND PARK HERE AND ACCESS IT FROM THE REAR OF THE SITE.
UM, WHEN YOU HAVE SORT OF LIKE A, A DOUBLE FRONTAGE RETAIL BUILDING LIKE THIS, YOU MIGHT FIND SORT OF FALSE FRONTS ON BOTH SIDES AND REALLY, UH, THE MAIN ENTRY ENDS UP BEING THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO TO BRING PEOPLE OUT ONTO THE STREETS LIKE A PATIO, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT MIGHT IN SOME WAY ENTICE PEOPLE TO SIT OUT THERE IN SPITE OF IT BEING ON SAWMILL ROAD.
UM, I THINK IF SOMEBODY IS USING TRANSIT BUS STOPS, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET INTO BIKE RACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
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COULD ACCESS IT DIRECTLY FROM THE FRONT AND IDEALLY THEY WOULD, AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MORE DRESSED UP FACADE OF THE BUILDING.ULTIMATELY, UH, THERE'S A CHALLENGE AND WITH A BUILDING LIKE THIS AND TRYING TO MAKE IT FUNCTION WITH, YOU KNOW, A, A TWO ENDED CHUTE THAT SOMEHOW A BUSINESS FUNCTIONS WITHIN.
YEAH, I JUST, YEAH, I THINK YOU HIT ON NAIL ON THE HEAD.
IT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT ENTRANCE FROM THE BACK IS YOU KIND OF, IT FEELS LIKE A REAR OF THE BUILDING AND THIS, THIS LAYOUT, SO WE NEED TO, UH, CONSIDER THAT.
AND QUESTION FOR STAFF, AND MAYBE THIS, IT IS LIKE, I KNOW THAT FROM AN OPERATIONS STANDPOINT THE DUMPSTER HAS TO BE A CERTAIN PROXIMITY TO THE BUILDING, BUT WOULD THERE BE ANY POSSIBILITY OF, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN AGREEMENT WITH GABE'S OR SOME WAY TO MOVE THAT DUMPSTER FUNCTION A AWAY JUST BECAUSE IT IS SO TIGHT? I DUNNO IF THAT'S EVEN AN OPTION.
PROBABLY OPERATIONALLY IT MIGHT NOT BE EITHER.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE CERTAINLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO CONSIDER IF THEY MOVE FORWARD.
UH, AND THEN MR. CHINOOK, UM, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I'VE HAD TWO RETAIL SPACES AND I HAD ONE THAT WAS 948 SQUARE FOOT AND I HAD ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS 1650 SQUARE FOOT.
SO NOT THAT THAT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF ANY SCIENTIFIC CROSS SECTION, THAT'S JUST MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
MR. BIDAR, CAN I HAVE YOU PUT THE FOUR QUESTIONS BACK UP ON THE DISPLAY? UM, I'M GENERAL SUPPORTIVE OF SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED USES.
HOWEVER, WHEN IT COMES BACK, IF THERE'S THREE RETAIL OR THREE RESTAURANTS, THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DIFFERENT USES.
SO I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE, THE LAYOUT.
I ALSO AGREE THAT THE DUMPSTER WANTS TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND SO AS FAR AS THE, THE LAYOUT GENERALLY GIVEN THIS CRAYONS ON PAPER STAGE CIRCULATION AND PARKING AGAIN GENERALLY, BUT THAT CHANGES VASTLY THE NEXT GO AROUND WHEN WE ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THIS BUILDING IS TRYING TO BE.
UM, ANY OTHER CON UH, CONSIDERATIONS? I ECHO SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WITH WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EARLY, WE'RE CRAYONS AND SO THERE ARE LOTS OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE, YOU HEARD THE LAST DISCUSSION AND THAT ONE WAS ITS SECOND GO ROUND.
SO THE FIRST GO ROUND WAS EVEN MORE DETAIL ORIENTED.
AND SO WE DO PRIDE OURSELVES ON BUILDING GOOD STRUCTURES IN DUBLIN AND NOT JUST FOR THIS USER, BUT FOR ANY FUTURE USER, WHICH IS A BENEFIT TO ALL OF US, INCLUDING THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO I HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION QUITE A FEW ITEMS, UH, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF RETAIL EATING.
WE NOT, YOU WERE SUPPOSED, YOU WERE STILL ON QUESTIONS AND NOW I'M GONNA SHIFT TO DISCUSS.
I'M SURPRISED THAT YOU DIDN'T CALL ME EARLIER.
I WAS, I WAS, I WAS DISTRACTED BY THE, I WAS GIVING YOU, I WAS GIVING YOU THE, ALRIGHT, WELL WE'LL CONTINUE ON TO DELIBERATIONS.
I HAD NO QUESTIONS BECAUSE MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH DELIBERATIONS AND I HAPPEN TO GO FIRST FOR LIKE, THE FIRST TIME IN FIVE YEARS.
SO MR. WE, WE WILL START OVER HERE AND THEN WE'LL HEAD BACK.
SO ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE, DID WE SOLICIT PUBLIC COMMENT? IS IT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR A CONCEPT PLAN? WE, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY, SO AT LEAST I DIDN'T MESS UP TWICE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO YOU'RE GOOD.
IT'S NOT EVEN THAT LATE AND WE'RE ALL GETTING THE ELEPHANTS LIKE THREW ME OFF MY GAME.
THE ZOO THAT MAKES MORE, IT LOOKED LIKE THE CIRCUS
SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROVO PROPOSED USE.
I, AGAIN, IN THE SPIRIT OF WE WANT TO MAKE THIS AREA DENSER, MORE URBAN, MORE WALKABLE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET MORE USES OUT ALONG THE STREET.
UM, I HAVE A LOT OF, UH, ISSUES WITH THE SITE LAYOUT.
I THINK THOSE ARE GONNA PROBABLY RESOLVE THEMSELVES IN ALL SORTS OF ISSUES OF A A P AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT I THINK THE BUILDING IS TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET.
UH, AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE, THE SETBACK.
UM, I THINK THE, I THINK AS, AS WAS SAID, THE ISSUE HERE IS WE HAVE A TURN LANE, WHICH TAKES AWAY SPACE THAT THE OTHER PROJECTS
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MAY HAVE.AND I THINK BECAUSE OF THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME OVERCOMPENSATION FOR CREATING MORE SPACE.
UM, AND I THINK YOU SAID THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE SITTING OUT ON SAWMILL ROAD.
SO RIGHT NOW I DON'T SEE THAT CAPABILITY WITH THE AMOUNT OF DIMENSION YOU HAVE.
SO AGAIN, I'D LIKE YOU TO SEE, UM, AGAIN, TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH, YOU HAVE SPACE TO DO THINGS, BUT I THINK RIGHT ON SAWMILL THINKING ABOUT THAT, SO IF THE BUILDING PUSHES BACK, IF YOU TAKE OVER THE LOADING LANE AGAIN, I THINK ALL THOSE THINGS ARE, CAN BE, CAN BE WORKED OUT.
UM, CIRCULATION, PARKING, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, AGAIN, THE DUMPSTER, I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH THAT AND ITS LOCATION.
UM, I THINK I, WE'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT AND THOSE ARE REALLY THE ONLY THINGS THAT I HAVE IN TERMS OF COMMENTS AND THANK YOU MS. HARDER, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE.
UM, UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, THE PROPOSED USE GENERALLY, UM, THE COMMISSION'S SUPPORTIVE OF THE LAYOUT.
UH, YES, I'M THAT IT NEEDS TO MOVE AWAY FROM SAWMILL ROAD A BIT.
AND ALSO THE THOUGHT IS DOWN THE ROAD IT SEEMS THAT THEY SEEM TO USE THE BACK.
LIKE YOU PULL UP, YOU GO WALK INTO THE PIZZA PLACE AND IF YOU END UP IN THE FRONT, THAT'S FINE, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE COLLECTING.
AND I THINK ABOUT THE AREA THAT'S AROUND THERE.
UH, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A, A CHURCH AND YOU HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE GONNA KIND OF GRAVITATE TO THAT AREA.
SO TO MAKE THEM WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE FRONT, I, I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.
BUT IF THEY LAND OUT THERE AND IT'S NICE OUT THERE, I THINK THINK THAT IS, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
UM, AND UM, I'M OKAY WITH PARKING.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO USE SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF ELIMINATING SOME OF IT.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT SHOULD BE FINE.
AND THE OTHER THOUGHTS I HAVE, UM, TOO IS ABOUT THE DUMPSTERS.
IT'S, THERE'S SO MANY DUMPSTERS THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND THAT AREA THAT ARE JUST OPEN AND NOTHING REALLY BEING THOUGHT ABOUT DUMPSTERS.
SO I HOPE YOU CHANGE THAT AND UM, AND BECAUSE IF YOU CAN CONSOLIDATE THEM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN, THAT MAY START OTHERS THINKING OF THAT, UH, WHICH WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, AND BECAUSE IF YOU WANNA PROMOTE WALKABILITY, UH, UH, IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE A CLEANER WALK AND THAT WILL HELP YOUR BUSINESS AS WELL TOO.
SO IF THEY CLEAN UP THAT AND GET THAT A LITTLE BIT SUPPORTIVE THAT WAY WITH WALKING AND IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT ABOUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SPEED ON MARTIN ROAD AND, AND, UM, YOU'RE ALMOST SETTING THE STANDARD FOR THAT, FOR THAT TURN IN AND THAT IT IS 25 OR LESS DOWN THERE AND HELPING OUT THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE DOWN THAT WAY.
I I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD OUR A LOT OF COMMENTS AND I I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO ADD.
I THINK IT'S A CORNER THAT SORELY NEEDS TO BE ACTIVATED.
SO I'M, I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF IT AND I WOULD EVEN GO AS FAR AS SAY THAT I, MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION FOR COMMISSION.
I, I'D GIVE UP SOME, SOME MORE PARKING SPOTS JUST TO HAVE MORE WALKABILITY PATIO SPACE.
WHATEVER THAT IS TO MAKE THAT SITE FEEL A LITTLE BIT LESS FORCED.
UM, I WOULD RELUCTANTLY SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN THE CURRENT ZONING, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY SHORTSIGHTED, UH, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT OUR CODE IS LOOKING FOR EVENTUALLY TO OCCUR ALONG THAT ROAD, AND YOU LOOK AT COLUMBUS'S ZONE IN PLAN FOR SAWMILL, THAT ROAD IS GONNA CHANGE 10 YEARS.
THAT ROAD IS GONNA CHANGE DRAMATICALLY.
NOW YOU'VE DECIDED TO SUBDIVIDE THE PARCEL THE WAY YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT ONE CORNER RELATIVELY SMALL, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE IT THAT WAY.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, IT'S WITHIN THE CURRENT CONTEXT.
SO IT'S A SMALL BUILDING ONE STORY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF ONE STORY BUILDINGS AROUND THERE, BUT AS YOU LOOK AT OUR CODE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM SINGLE USE ONE STORY ESSENTIALLY STRIP CENTERS AND THAT'S WHAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IT'S A FRAGMENT OF A STRIP CENTER THERE, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO SUPPORT IT IF IT'S WITHIN THE CURRENT ZONING.
NOW THAT ZONING MAY CHANGE TOO, IS MORE PARTS OF THE ENVISION DUBLIN ARE ADAPTED.
HOWEVER, UM, AS I MENTIONED, I THINK IT'S SHORTSIGHTED.
I THINK THE TREES ARE CRITICAL TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY FORM A GATEWAY.
WHAT THOSE TREES DO ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD IS THEY CREATE SOME CONTINUITY ON THAT ROAD, WHICH DOESN'T OCCUR WHEN WE HAVE SUCH VARIED TYPES OF ARCHITECTURE.
THEY, IN SOME WAYS THEY HIDE SOME ARCHITECTURE IS NOT VERY GOOD.
SO I THINK THAT THOSE ARE CRITICAL.
I ALSO THINK THE CORNER ARTICULATION IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, UM, BECAUSE IT CAN BECOME KIND OF A LANDMARK, HOW THE CORNER OF THAT BUILDING, HOW YOU TURN THAT CORNER.
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BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF IT'S, IF IF CIRCULATION, PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT SETTING AND PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION ON SAWMILL IS NOT GREAT.BUT I DO THINK YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET ACCESS INTO THAT CORNER.
NOW YOU HAVE SEATING OUT THERE AND MAYBE THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.
BUT, BUT I DO THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME ENTRY THERE.
YOU CAN STILL HAVE WALKWAY ALONG THE SIDE LIKE YOU HAD THAT THAT CAME TO THAT, OR MAYBE YOU HAVE TWO ENTRIES.
BUT I THINK, UM, HOW THAT SITE CIRCULATION WORKS.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
MR. DESLER, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK.
I I I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THIS, THE, THAT PARKING LOT, WHAT IS THAT? TO THE NORTH? YES.
THAT'S ALL PART OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? I MEAN THIS PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONSIDERING SUBDIVIDING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING OR KNOWLEDGE OF THE, THE USE OF THOSE SPACES ON, ON A QUOTE UNQUOTE BUSY WEEKEND DAY? MR. DISH THERE? YOUR MICROPHONE TURNED OFF.
IT WAS ON THOUGH, RIGHT? OKAY.
SHE MIGHT, SHE MIGHT HAVE TURNED IT OFF.
I THINK THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOMETHING ON THAT CORNER.
UH, BUT I, I'M NOT SURE I WOULD, IT FEELS LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILDING USED TO BE SPORT MART.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS AT THE TIME.
AND I DON'T, IT, IT WOEFULLY UNDERPERFORMED IN THAT AREA, UNFORTUNATELY WITH, I BELIEVE GALLIONS GOING IN JUST WHERE THE, THE DICK'S SPORTING IS GOODS IS NOW.
SO THIS LOT HAS, HAS FRANKLY BEEN AN EYESORE FOR A WHILE, IN MY OPINION IN THE CITY.
I'D LIKE TO SEE GREAT ACTIVATION ON THAT SAWMILL FRONTAGE, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN LIMIT IT JUST TO THAT CORNER.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY SAYS HERE, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING MORE THAN A, A ONE STORY RESTAURANT ON THE CORNER SIMILAR TO A CHIPOTLE OR PIATA, WHICH YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY DOWN THE STREET.
UM, I ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT A LOT OF WHAT, WHAT GARY SAID, THAT THERE, THERE COULD BE SOMETHING MORE IN THIS AREA THAN, THAN JUST THAT, JUST THAT ONE STORY RETAIL OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
BECAUSE SIMILARLY, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE FIVE GUYS RIGHT ACROSS MARTIN THERE, I CAN'T REMEMBER, THERE'S LIKE THREE OTHER STORES JUST LINED UP RIGHT NEXT TO IT AND IT, IT'S DOESN'T LOOK THE BEST.
AND I THINK THERE COULD BE SOMETHING MORE HERE, BUT GUESS I'M GENERALLY SUP SUPPORTIVE OF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED.
BUT IF, I'LL TELL YOU THIS, IF YOU COME BACK AND IT'S THAT ONE STORY CORNER RESTAURANT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT THE CODE AND SEE, SEE SOME THINGS.
'CAUSE I, I'M, I'M PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTIVE, SO THANKS MR. VIN.
AND UM, I ALSO AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE PRO PROPOSED USE, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH, UM, THE SPECIFICATION.
THERE'S NO DRIVE THROUGH THAT WOULD NEGATE EVERYTHING THAT I WOULD ABOUT TO SAY ABOUT CIRCULATION.
BUT I THINK, UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AS WELL.
GARY AND JASON STOLE MY THUNDER A LITTLE BIT, UM, ON, PARTICULARLY AS WE DISCUSSED THE TRANSITION INTO BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT MOVING THE SETBACK, FINDING WAYS TO SAVE SPACE, AND ALSO PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT GOING ABOVE ONE STORY.
I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A CHALLENGE WITH THE POWER LINES.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING AVOIDABLE.
AND WHAT I PICTURE WHEN I THINK OF THAT TRANSITION TO THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, ESPECIALLY FROM THIS FAR SOUTH, KIND OF OUR, OUR GATEWAY, OUR OUR CORNER INTO, UH, DUBLIN, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, AND I, AND I'M NOT PRESCRIBING, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF ARCHITECTURE HERE, BUT JUST AS AN IDEA OF THE VISION I HAVE WHEN I, WHEN I READ THAT
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STANDARD, I THINK OF THAT HEARTLAND BANK BUILDING IN UPPER ARLINGTON ON LANE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT IT'S TWO STORY.IT'S GOT A LITTLE RELIEF AND IT IS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE STREET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MAY, MIGHT CREATE A GATEWAY ALSO ADDRESS YOUR ISSUES WITH SPACE.
I KNOW YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK I LOST THE NUMBER.
WAS IT 15,000 SQUARE FEET THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR? I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S BUT OH, 5,400 SQUARE FEET.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT A SECOND STORY, IT COULD ALSO ENCOURAGE OFFICE USE ON SECOND STORY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BSD COMMERCIAL POINTS OUT IS THAT YOU WANNA SUPPORT OFFICE USE WITH SOME OF THIS AND IT WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THOSE IMMEDIATE BUSINESSES THERE.
SO, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT WAYS TO FIT THE INTENT BEHIND THAT THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT COMMERCIAL MAKE IT, UH, UM, LESS OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THAT SUBURBAN OUTBUILDING THAT, THAT WE SEE ALL ALONG HERE NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ANOTHER VERSION OF THAT AND UM, AND HAS SOME OPPORTUNITY, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE ATTENTION PAID TO THAT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED USE.
UM, SOMEWHAT SUPPORTIVE OF THE LAYOUT, WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE MORE, UH, MORE BUFFERING BETWEEN SAWMILL DEPENDING ON WHAT GOES IN THERE.
UM, SUPPORTIVE OF CIRCULATION.
AND YOU'VE HEARD MY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
UH, THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I DIDN'T GET TO IN MY VERY PREEMPTIVE DISCUSSION WAS THE, THE GREEN.
SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE IN KIND OF A SENSITIVE AREA THERE WITH THE, THE POWER LINES.
UM, I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU THAT SHOULD YOU COME BACK WITH THE NEXT STEP IN THIS APPLICATION THAT YOU LOOK AT THOSE OUT PARCELS.
FOR ME, THE CHASE BANK WAS NOT SO MUCH OF A SUCCESS.
IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IN YOUR SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, A NICE BIG GRASS, UM, PARK STRIP AND THEN A SIDEWALK.
AND THEN THE BUILDING, THE PIATA HAS ACTIVATION, IT HAS, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY SET BACK A LITTLE LESS THAN THE CHASE BANK.
IT HAS ACTIVATION ALONG THE GROUND FLOOR.
AND I ACTUALLY DON'T MIND THE FIRST STORY ALONG SAWMILL BECAUSE IT STEPS UP THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AS YOU'RE WALKING ALONG THE SIDEWALK.
IF YOU'RE NEXT TO THREE STORY BU BUILDINGS, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE THAN IF YOU'RE ADJACENT TO A ONE STORY OR ONE AND A HALF STORY OR EVEN A TWO STORY VERSUS HEY, I'M, I'M AT A THREE STORY BUILDING.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT THAT SAWMILL CROSS SECTION WITH A ONE STORY OR ONE AND A HALF STORY KIND OF STEP UP TO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE WE WILL SEE MORE DENSITY ALONG SAWMILL ROAD.
THAT'S KIND OF THE REALITY OF HOW THE BUILDING IS TAKING PLACE IN CENTRAL OHIO.
UH, BUT I WOULD SERIOUSLY CHALLENGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE, THE GREEN AREA ALONG SAWMILL, THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT FROM A PEDESTRIAN AND FROM A VEHICULAR ACCESS BECAUSE THOSE ARE VERY DIFFERENT AT THAT PARTICULAR LEVEL.
UM, AND THEN MR. ALEXANDER, I THOUGHT YOU HAD ONE MORE ITEM THAT YOU WANTED.
NO, I JUST WANTED TO BUILD ON DAN'S COMMENT 'CAUSE THAT BANK IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
UH, IT'S ON THE CORNER OF LANE AVENUE NORTHWEST BOULEVARD AND IT ADDRESSES THE CORNER REALLY WELL.
IT DOES EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID AND IT WOULD ADDRESS COMMENTS THAT JASON MADE AS WELL.
AND THE OVERHEAD POWER, THE OVERHEAD POWER LINES ARE ONLY AN ISSUE IF YOU BUILD UNDER THEM.
BUT THE, THE COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT MOVING THAT, SO YOU'RE OUT OF THE WAY.
BUT I THINK THOSE, THOSE REALLY SOME THAT WOULD BE A GREAT BUILDING.
AGAIN, UM, I'M GONNA BE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM BECAUSE WE JUST SAW AN ELEPHANT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING I'M HEARING THE COMMISSION TALK ABOUT AND PART OF THE PRESENTATION WAS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN AREA THAT'S DENSIFYING.
WELL, IT OCCURS TO ME THAT THIS SITE IS THE PERFECT SITE FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
THIS SITE, IF YOU CONSIDER THE WHOLE SITE, COULD BE SOMETHING MUCH BETTER THAN JUST A SMALL ONE STORY RETAIL ALONG SAWMILL THAT YOU'VE GOT 3.65 ACRES, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD ADD A 2.0 FAR, WHICH I, I FORGET WHAT THE FAR IS HERE, BUT THAT'S 300,000 SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW.
SO AS A COMMISSION, I THINK WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING TO THINK BIGGER PERHAPS.
AND I KNOW THAT, THAT THIS IS AN APPLICATION THIS BEFORE US.
AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT I'M ENCOURAGING THE APPLICANT MAYBE TO THINK BIGGER.
I WOULD CHALLENGE STAFF HAS HAS MADE THE POINT A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT THE,
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UM, THE FAR RATING FOR THE AREA CON OVERLAYS A BROAD AREA.AND THE PLAN HAS LANGUAGE ABOUT SPECIFIC TREATMENT ALONG SAWMILL THAT MAY NOT FIT THAT FAR REQUIREMENT.
DOESN'T SAY SHOULD, DOESN'T SAY WILL, DOESN'T SAY SHALL, BUT SAYS MAY.
SO THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT SAWMILL CROSS SECTION MAY BE DIFFERENT ANYWAY, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, I, I AGREE.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEFORE US, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WOULD I LOVE TO SEE THAT BUILDING TORN DOWN AND SOMETHING COMPLETELY REDESIGNED IN THAT AREA.
OF COURSE I MENTIONED HOW I FELT ABOUT THAT AREA, SO I I DON'T YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARILY BEFORE US.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CORRECT.
THAT'S WHY I'M STRUGGLING TO, BUT WE KEEP ON, WE KEEP ON BEING ENCOURAGED TO THINK, TO HELP THINK FORWARD ABOUT THIS PLANNING THE CITY.
AND HERE IS AN WE'RE ENCOURAGING, THEY'RE LISTENING
I'M JUST SAYING THEY, THEY HEARD IT BUT I, I JUST WANNA PUT IT OUT THERE THAT YOU KNOW, WE COULD THINK BIGGER AGREE IF WE WANTED TO.
SO IS THERE ANY FINAL CONVERSATION FROM THE COMMISSION? THIS IS CONCEPT PLAN.
WE WILL SEE THIS BACK SHOULD THEY PROCEED.
WE WILL SEE THIS BACK AGAIN FOR OUR DUPLO BLOCK IS WHAT I CALL THE NEXT PARTICULAR.
SO CRAYONS AND THEN DO BLOWS AND THEN LEGOS.
ANY FINAL DISCUSSION? THE APPLICANT? DO YOU HAVE ANY NEED FOR CLARIFICATION BASED ON WHAT WE JUST SAID? IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO SEE IF YOU NEED CLARIFICATION.
6, 5, 8, 7 DISEASE LOOP DUBLIN.
AND JUST WE WANT TO KNOW REALLY IF WE CAN DO ANY OUT PARCEL AT THIS UH, SITE.
SO AT LEAST YOU GUYS ARE UH, OKAY WITH THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND THINK ABOUT YOUR IDEA ON THE LANE AVENUE, THE BANK THING.
SO WE'LL LOOK, WE'LL LOOK AROUND AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY GOOD OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN PURSUE, BUT AT LEAST IS THIS OKAY? AT LEAST IS THIS VIABLE? THAT'S OUR QUESTION.
I THINK YOU HEARD GENERAL SUPPORT FROM THE COMMISSION FOR SOME TYPE OF OUT PARCEL WHAT IT IS IN THE FUTURE.
WE'LL WE'LL COME BACK AND YOU'LL COME BACK WITH A PLAN IN THE FUTURE.
AND YOU'LL HEAR MORE DETAILED COMMISSION DISCUSSION BASED ON WHAT YOU BRING FORWARD.
BUT YOU HEARD GENERAL SUPPORT OF SOMETHING IN THIS AREA.
YEAH, AT LEAST THE PARKING AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING LEFT.
ALTHOUGH CUSTOMERS THEY'RE PARKING ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THEY TEND TO PARK IN FRONT AND THEY KNOW THAT'S IT.
AND THAT AREA BEING LEFT VACANT FOR LONG TIME AND WE WANT TO UTILIZE THIS SPACE FOR SOMETHING GOOD.
SO YOU HEARD GENERAL SUPPORT FOR SOMETHING.
WE'LL COME UP WITH A GOOD PLAN NEXT TIME.
ALRIGHT, UH, THIS IS NON-ACTION ITEM.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM
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ON OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, WHICH IS COMMUNICATIONS.MR. BATAR, THERE IS NOTHING FROM STAFF AT THIS POINT.
IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE COMMISSION FOR COMMUNICATION? THERE WAS A SPORTS OHIO COMMITTEE MEETING THIS PAST WEEK.
UM, I WILL SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO STAFF TO CIRCULATE SO THAT EVERYONE GETS THE UPDATE.
UM, I HAVE REQUESTED THAT COMMITTEES, WHENEVER WE HAVE SPECIAL ASSIGNMENTS THAT, THAT BE SENT RATHER THAN COMMUNICATED BY THE ONE PERSPECTIVE.
SO, UM, I FORGOT TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT AT OUR EXECUTIVE MEETING, BUT I'LL DO BETTER ABOUT FOLLOWING UP.
UH, IS THERE ANYTHING FROM ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, MR. WE MEETING ADJOURNED.