* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] [CALL TO ORDER] GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE WELCOME YOU TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES AT THIS TIME. IF YOU WILL ALL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN THE INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. EARL. THANK YOU, MS. MAXWELL. WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL. MR. ALEXANDER? HERE. MS. CALL HERE. MR. CHINOOK. HERE. MR. DESLER? HERE. MR. GARVIN? HERE. MS. HARDER? HERE. MR. WE HERE. THANK YOU MS. MAXWELL. AS NOTED IN THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WE DO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT AFTER DEFERRING WITH, UH, OR CONFERRING WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND OUR STAFF, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THAT TO THE END OF THE MEETING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME. UH, AT THIS TIME I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ENTER IN THE DOCUMENTS AND APPROVE THE, UH, OH, EXCUSE ME. I HAVE TO DO A MOTION FOR THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. [Additional Item] I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO AMEND THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA TO MOVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION TO AFTER THE DISCUSSION TOPICS. SO MOVED. SO MOVED. OH, ALRIGHT. SECOND . MR. WE, I HAVE YOU AS A FIRST. MR. ALEXANDER AS A SECOND. MS. MAXWELL. MR. CHINOOK? YES. MR. WE? YES. MS. HARDER? YES. MS. CALL? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. GARVIN? YES. MR. DESLER? YES. THANK YOU, MS. MAXWELL. AND NOW [ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES] I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 21ST AND THE SEPTEMBER 2ND JOINT MEETING, ALONG WITH THE SEPTEMBER 4TH SPECIAL MEETING. SO MOVED. THANK YOU. MR. WAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. MS. WA? MS. MAXWELL, MS. HARDER? YES. MR. DESLER? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. CHINOOK? YES. MS. CALL? YES. MR. WE? YES. MR. GARVIN? YES. THANK YOU. MS. MAXWELL. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN PLANNING A PROPERTY AND REZONING IS UNDER CONSIDERATION. IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION. IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY. THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED. AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS FOR THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL FIRST COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND PRESENT THEIR PRESENTATION. THIS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION. AFTER THAT ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION, THE COMMISSION WILL ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF. FOLLOWING THESE QUESTIONS, WE WILL ALLOW FOR TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON EACH APPLICATION FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT. THE COMMISSION WILL THEN DELIBERATE AND MAKE ANY DETERMINATION ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED IN TURN UNDER EACH APPLICATION TO THE MICROPHONE. AS YOU CAN SEE ON MY LEFT, ONCE YOU'RE AT THE MICROPHONE, IF YOU PRESS THE BUTTON AND ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON THE MICROPHONE AS YOU SEE ON MINE, AND WE DO ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES TO BE RESPECTFUL OF TIME, UH, IF WE HAVE A DISRUPTION, I WILL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE CAN BE HEARD. THIS CHAMBER IS VERY NICE FOR ECHOES FROM THE DE OR FROM THE MICROPHONE. BUT WHEN THERE'S CHATTER IN THE AUDIENCE, IT MAKES IT VERY HARD FOR THE PUBLIC PROCESS TO BE FULFILLED AND TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMISSION CAN HEAR FROM EACH PERSON AT THE MICROPHONE. ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME, UH, OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN. IF YOU DO INTEND TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE YOU STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. AND IF YOU THINK YOU MIGHT, YOU MAY AS WELL STAND BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT OVER AGAIN. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? YES. THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. UH, FOR TONIGHT'S AGENDA, THERE ARE TWO CASES [Case #25-080AFDP & Case #25-086WR] ELIGIBLE FOR CONSENT. THOSE ARE CASES 25 DASH 80 A FDP, PRINCE OF PEACE, AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CASE 25 0 86 WR, EHG PARTNERS TENANT IMPROVEMENTS WAIVER. [00:05:01] DOES ANYONE FROM THE COMMISSION WISH FOR EITHER OF THESE CASES TO BE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE BOTH CASES WITH ANY DOCUMENTATION? NO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY. OKAY. PERFECT. UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU. MR. WADE. DO I HAVE SECOND? I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. THAT WAS MR. DESLER? YES. THANK YOU. MS. MAXWELL. MS. CALL? YES. MR. GARVIN? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. WE? YES. MR. CHINOOK? YES. MR. DESLER? YES. MS. HARDER? YES. MR. BOGGS, WE DID NOT ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. OUGHT WE TO GO BACK, REVISIT AND THEN REMOTION? I DON'T BELIEVE WE TYPICALLY DO. PERFECT. THANK YOU. ANYONE, UH, WHO IS HERE FOR THOSE TWO CASES? UH, WELL, I THINK IT'S RECORD TIME THAT, THAT WE ARE ABLE TO GET YOU OUT OF HERE. ENJOY YOUR THURSDAY NIGHT AND THANK YOU FOR COMING BEFORE US THIS EVENING. WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR [Case #25-069PDP] THIRD CASE FOR THIS EVENING, AND THAT IS CASE 25 0 6 9 PDP ALL IN DUBLIN PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THIS CASE IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE A FOUR STORY 75 UNIT, MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THE APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A HALF ACRE SITE IS ZONED BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SITE, SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE BETWEEN WEST DUBLIN, GRANDVILLE ROAD AND BANKER DRIVE. THIS TIME WE'D LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT FORWARD AND ASK THAT YOU, AFTER TURNING ON THE MICROPHONE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. UM, JENNA KESSLER, MA DESIGN 7 7 5 YARD STREET, COLUMBUS. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY. JUST ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE TEAM, WE JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AND APPRECIATE ALL YOUR TIME. UM, JUST, UH, ON THE OWNER TEAM TODAY, HERE IS ALL INCLUSIVE LIVING. WE HAVE MARK DUNHAM, UM, AS WELL AS WITH TFG HOUSING RESOURCES, DAN SCHNEIDERMAN. SO THEY'LL BE HERE, UM, JUST TO ANSWER ANY OWNER QUESTIONS TODAY. AND WE ALSO HAVE EDGE, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, UM, ON THE PROJECT AS WELL. UM, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, TO THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND THE ENTIRE TEAM HERE JUST THOUGHT IT'D BE VALUABLE FOR US TO JUST BRIEFLY STATE ALL IN DESIGN'S MISSION. AND SO THIS JUST PROVIDES THE BASIC RATIONALE FOR THE PROJECT. I'M JUST GONNA READ OFF THIS SLIDE HERE. UM, ALL IN DUBLIN ASPIRES TO CREATE A COMMUNITY OF GOOD NEIGHBORS IN WHICH ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES CAN LIVE ALONGSIDE PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES. AND I THINK JUST AS A PROJECT TEAM, WE JUST WANNA REITERATE OUR EXCITEMENT ABOUT THIS PROJECT, ABOUT THIS SITE AND THE LOCATION THAT IT IS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN OUR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROCESS, WE'VE UM, DEFINITELY LOOKED TO THE ENVISIONED DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, JUST TO LOOK TOWARDS THE FUTURE OF THIS AREA. AND, UM, WE FEEL THAT ALL INCLUSIVE LIVING'S MISSION OF PROVIDING HOUSING FOR ALL INDIVIDUALS ALIGNS WELL WITH THE ENVISIONED DUBLIN PLAN, UM, TO PROVIDE A COMMUNITY WHERE, UM, PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES CAN, CAN THRIVE. SO, UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO TALKING ABOUT THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT AND TRY TO SHARE UPDATES FROM WHAT WE SHARED, UM, DURING CONCEPT PLAN IN JUNE AND WHAT WE'VE DEVELOPED SO FAR TO TODAY. AND, UM, TO START US OFF, THESE ARE KIND OF FOUR KEY BUCKETS THAT, UM, WE'VE BEEN TARGETING OUR IMPROVEMENTS IN. AND SO MOST OF THE FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD TO DATE FALLS INTO ONE OF THESE FOUR CATEGORIES. UM, THOSE ARE COMMUNITY CONNECTIVITY, MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION, OPEN SPACE, AND THE GATEWAY AND ARCHITECTURE. SO BEGINNING FIRST WITH COMMUNITY CONNECTIVITY, I WANNA START BY JUST ZOOMING OUT ON THE SITE. SO JUST TO ORIENT US HERE, UM, WE'RE NORTH IS TO THE TOP RIGHT OF THE PAGE. YOU CAN SEE 1 61 FOLLOWING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE THERE, BRIDGE PARK IN THE DISTRICT DISTANCE. UM, ONE KEY, UM, THING WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT HERE IS JUST ALL THE GREAT AMENITIES, UM, THAT ARE IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IS, MAKES IT A REALLY, REALLY GREAT SITE FOR US. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AROUND HERE, GROCERY STORES, FOOD SHOPPING, AND, UM, WE FEEL THAT BRINGING THIS RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT INTO THIS GENERAL AREA WILL BE REALLY GOOD FOR THE SITE. UM, JUST FOR SCALE ON THIS DIAGRAM, THE BLACK BOUNDARY, THAT'S OUR SITE. AND THEN THE CIRCLE YOU SEE THAT'S IN A 1000 FOOT BOUNDARY JUST TO HELP HERE WITH SCALE. SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE AMENITIES. THERE'S A PARK CLOSE BY. YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THERE IS SOME RESIDENTIAL, A LITTLE BIT FARTHER IN THE DISTANCE AS WELL. UM, ONE MAJOR COMMENT THAT WE HEARD, UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING WAS, [00:10:01] UM, REALLY TO, UM, INCREASE THE MIXED USE FEEL OF THIS SITE. UM, AND SO ON THE LEFT WE HAVE, UM, WHERE WE WERE AT THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE GREEN SHOWS, THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND WHERE THEY WERE ON THE SITE. YOU CAN SEE THEY WERE ON BOTH LEGS OF THE BUILDING. UM, JUST TO ORIENT YOU A LITTLE BIT, NORTH IS UP ON THIS PAGE AND 1 61 IS ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. UM, SO THE UPDATE THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS THAT WE HAVE PRIORITIZED AND CONCENTRATED THE COMMUNITY SPACE ALONG THAT 1 61 FIRST FLOOR FRONTAGE. UM, SO IN DOING THIS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BENEFITS TO THIS PROGRAMMATIC SHIFT, BUT ONE HAS REALLY BEEN, UM, PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT BETTER BUFFER, UM, OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO 1 61. UM, WE HEARD COMMENTS AND WE THINK THEY'RE VERY VALID ABOUT THE SAFETY OF RESIDENTS ON THE SITE. SO BY MOVING THESE UNITS, WE THINK THAT, UM, IT IMPROVES THE SAFETY ON THE SITE. ANOTHER BENEFIT OF THIS PROGRAMMATIC SHIFT IS THAT THE FACADE ALONG 1 61, UM, IS MUCH MORE ACTIVATED. AND SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE TOP IMAGE BEFORE, UM, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF STOREFRONT GOING ACROSS THAT FRONT ELEVATION, BUT NOW WITH THE UPDATE ON THE BOTTOM PORTION OF YOUR SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE STOREFRONT, UM, IS ABLE TO FOLLOW THAT ENTIRE ELEVATION, UM, AND REALLY ACTIVATE AND PROMOTE MORE OF A MIXED USE FEEL ALONG THE ELEVATION. UM, I DO BELIEVE THERE WAS A QUESTION AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, JUST ABOUT RESIDENTIAL USE BEING PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT. AND, UM, WHILE WE DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT IT IS PERMITTED IN THE SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DO RECOGNIZE AND, UM, APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK FROM THE LAST MEETING. WE THINK THAT, UM, THE PLANS AND THE ELEVATIONS ARE MUST IMPROVED BY THAT PROGRAMMATIC SHIFT. NEXT WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE SITE ACCESS. AND SO, UM, WE RECEIVE FEEDBACK TO BETTER ALIGN OUR SITE ACCESS WITH THE BRIDGE STREET NETWORK PLAN. AND SO PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A VEHICULAR SITE AXIS POINT THAT CAME IN, UM, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN WHERE YOU SEE THAT PURPLE ARROW. IT WAS CLOSER TO THE BANKER DRIVE AND DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE INTERSECTION. AND SO ONE CHANGE THAT WE MADE WAS WE SHIFTED THAT EAST, UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE. AND SO NOW IT IS IN THE MIDPOINT OF THAT FUTURE BLOCK HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN ON THE TOP RIGHT OF THE PAGE. UM, SO WE WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBOR WITH THIS. THIS IS A SHARED ACCESS POINT BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. UM, AND IN DOING THIS, WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO CAPTURE ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTY. UM, THIS REALLY HELPED US IMPROVE CIRCULATION IN THE SITE AND JUST PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT BETTER BUFFERS IN THE SETBACKS. SO MOVING IN A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM COMMUNITY CONNECTIVITY AND MORE TOWARDS MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION, UM, IN UNDERSTANDING THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN AND READING THROUGH IT MORE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS THIS TRANSPORTATION SHIFT HAPPENING WHERE, UM, PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES AND TRANSIT ARE PRIORITIZED, UM, IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND SO WE FIRST WANNA START WITH PEDESTRIAN AND, UM, DEMONSTRATE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING SIDEWALKS. YOU CAN SEE THOSE IN THE DARK GREEN AROUND ALL SIDES OF OUR SITE, UM, TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS WHERE THEY'RE CURRENTLY PRESENT. ALSO WITH THE, UM, CURRENT BUS ROUTES, THIS IS ANOTHER GREAT REASON WHY WE LOVE THIS SITE. UM, IT BEING SO CLOSE TO BUS STOPS AND BUS ROUTE 33, WHICH GOES ALONG BOTH SAWMILL ROAD AND 1 61. UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE CURRENT BUS STOPS, THERE'S NEARLY THREE, UM, WITHIN THAT 1000 FOOT BOUNDARY. UM, BUT IN LOOKING AT THIS, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS SITE, UM, IS WITHIN THE NORTHWEST CORRIDOR STUDY THAT CODA IS DOING, UM, TO PROVIDE THE FUTURE, UM, BUS RAPID TRANSIT ROUTE. AND SO HIGHLIGHTED AN ORANGE THAT SHOWS HOW 1 61, UM, IS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT STUDY THAT THEY'RE DOING TO PROVIDE THAT BRT. AND SO A LITTLE BIT LATER WE'LL SHARE HOW WE'RE ACCOMMODATING THAT IN THE FUTURE. I WANNA SHIFT OVER FIRST THOUGH, JUST TO TALKING ABOUT OPEN SPACE. UM, IN OUR LAST MEETING, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT OPEN SPACE AND RECEIVED FEEDBACK TO ENSURE THAT OUR OPEN SPACE, UM, MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS BY BEING ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND JUST IMPROVING THE OVERALL AREAS AND THE QUALITY OF THOSE OPEN SPACES PROVIDED. UM, SO BETWEEN JUNE AND NOW, WE HAD AN INTERIM SOLUTION WHERE WE LOOKED AT PROVIDING 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE. THIS WAS ALL PROVIDED ALONG THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. UM, WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE IN THIS SITE PLAN 83 PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS AN IMPROVEMENT FROM THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH HAD 81. UM, BUT AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, WE CAME TO UNDERSTAND, UM, MORE ABOUT THIS CORRIDOR STUDY HAPPENING ALONG 1 61. UM, WE KNOW THIS WAS REVIEWED WITH CITY COUNCIL AND OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WITH THIS PRIORITIZING OF OTHER MOS OF TRANSPORTATION SUCH AS BICYCLES AND TRANSIT, THAT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING INTO POTENTIAL ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD HAPPEN [00:15:01] HERE THAT WOULD PROVIDE BOTH A DEDICATED BUS LANE AS WELL AS A MULTI-USE PATH. AND SO THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS ON OUR SITE, WHERE THIS IS A DIAGRAM OF OUR CURRENT SITE PLAN, AS IT STANDS, OUR CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY AS OF TODAY IS REPRESENTED BY THE ORANGE DASH. THE RED DASH REPRESENTS THE 19 FOOT SHIFT NORTH INTO OUR SITE THAT WOULD OCCUR WITH THOSE 1 61 IMPROVEMENTS. AND SO THAT AREA THAT'S SHADED IN ORANGE, THAT'S ABOUT 3 3800 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE, UM, THAT WOULD BE SET ASIDE, UM, FOR FUTURE 1 61 IMPROVEMENTS. IN THE GREEN, WE HAVE OUR 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE. AND THIS IS PROVIDED BY, UM, A LARGER POCKET PARK ON THE NORTH, WHICH IS TO THE RIGHT ON THIS PAGE, UM, ON THE NORTH END OF THE SITE. BY INCREASING THE SIZE OF THIS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE LESS OF THE PARKING LOT A FRONT BAKER DRIVE. UM, WE DID PROVIDE A SCREEN WALL BELOW THAT TO MEET THOSE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, BUT THIS ALSO ALLOWED MORE OF THE PARKING LOT TO BE BUFFERED. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A POCKET PARK AND POCKET PLAZA, UM, ALONG 1 61 ON THE TOP RIGHT OF THE PAGE, YOU CAN SEE A SITE SECTION SHOWING THE DAY ONE CURRENT CONDITION WITH THE ROAD CONDITION, THE SIDEWALK, THE AREA BETWEEN THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WOULD JUST BE LANDSCAPE AT THIS TIME. AND THEN OUR BUILDING WITH THE POCKET PLAZA. AND THEN HERE WE'RE SHOWING THE FUTURE CONDITION, IF YOU WILL, OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE 1 61 ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IMPLEMENTED. SO YOU CAN SEE THE BUS LANE, THE MULTI-USE PATH, AS WELL AS THE SIDEWALK, UM, HERE AS WELL. UM, WITH THIS SITE PLAN, WE HAVE 75 SPACES, UM, FOR THIS POPULATION. WE FEEL THAT ONE SPACE PER UNIT IS SUFFICIENT. UM, IN WORKING WITH STAFF, WE, UM, HAVE STARTED TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL FOR ON-STREET PARK PARKING, WHICH WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THOSE 75 SPACES. UM, I THINK I SPEAK FOR THE OWNER. WE, WE FEEL 75 SPACES IS SUFFICIENT AND IS AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE TO THE DEMAND OF THIS POPULATION. UM, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF ON, UM, JUST THE FEASIBILITY OF THOSE SPACES WITH CURRENT AND FUTURE ROADWAY CONDITIONS. UM, AND HERE WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE SOME ART OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND, UM, JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THOSE AND INTEGRATING THEM INTO THE PUBLIC SPACE. SO TWO WALLS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS GOOD LOCATIONS FOR POTENTIAL MURALS, AS WELL AS TWO LOCATIONS FOR OUR INSTALLATIONS THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE POCKET PARKS. AND THEN TO JUST WRAP ALL OF THE MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION AND OPEN SPACE UPDATES TOGETHER. ON THE LEFT, WE HAVE THE CONCEPT PLAN BACK FROM JUNE. AND ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE TODAY'S CONCEPT PLAN. AND I THINK THIS SHOWS A GOOD ILLUSTRATION OF THE INCREASED OPEN SPACE, UM, THROUGHOUT THE SITE. UM, LASTLY, I DO THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT SURFACE PARKING IN THE LAST MEETING BEING PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT. AND WHILE IT IS PERMITTED, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, PROVIDING MORE MID ISLAND LANDSCAPING AND BETTER BUFFERS CERTAINLY IMPROVES THE SITE PLAN. AND LASTLY, JUST TO END ON SOME ARCHITECTURAL UPDATES FOR YOU ALL. SO WE'VE, UM, DEFINITELY REVISED THE MASSING AND THE DESIGN AT THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING. AND SO THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING FROM 1 61 AND DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE. AND WE'VE INFILLED THE SECOND, THIRD, AND FOURTH FLOORS HERE AT THIS LOCATION. AND WE DID THIS TO INCREASE THE PROMINENCE OF THIS PORTION. UM, THIS DOES CREATE A MORE COVERED, UM, OPEN SPACE BELOW THAT IS ACCESSIBLE BY SOME GENTLE RAMPING AND, AND SIDEWALKS, BUT IS COVERED. UM, WE'VE ALSO BEEN ABLE HERE TO REVISE THE WINDOW PROPORTIONS AT THIS MAIN ENTRY AND INCREASE THE TRANSPARENCY, WHICH I THINK ALSO, UM, IMPROVES THE PROMINENCE OF THIS LOCATION. UM, THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION LOOKING AT BANKER DRIVE. AND SO HERE WE HAVE ALSO INCREASED THE TRANSPARENCY AND AGAIN, UM, REVISED THOSE WINTER PROPORTIONS TO BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE SITE. AND THEN LASTLY, WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE. SO, UM, WE REALLY HERE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE MORE RESIDENTIAL FEEL OF THIS. AND SO I KNOW THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT DIFFERENTIATING THE 1 61 VERSUS THE DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE ELEVATION. SO AT THE TOP YOU HAVE THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE HAD BACK IN JUNE AND THE UPDATE BELOW. AND SO, UM, WE'VE CREATED SOME PORCHES THAT GIVE IT THAT MORE RESIDENTIAL FEEL. AND THEN BY PRIORITIZING THE STOREFRONT ALONG 1 61, UM, I THINK THIS MUCH MORE FEELS RESIDENTIAL WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE, UM, 1 61 ELEVATION. SO HERE'S THE COMPARISON. ONE 60 ONE'S ON THE TOP DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE IS ON THE BOTTOM. YOU CAN SEE [00:20:01] THE DIFFERENT KIND OF MORE COMMERCIAL FEEL ALONG 1 61 AND THE MORE RESIDENTIAL FEEL ALONG DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE. AND THAT IS ALL WE HAVE FROM US. THANK YOU. THIS TIME WE WILL TURN THE TIME OVER TO STAFF MR. BIDAR. THANK YOU. UM, I THINK MS. KESSLER COVERED A LOT OF STUFF HERE, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO FOCUS ON, UH, A FEW THINGS THAT WANTED TO BRING UP AND START WITH THE PROCESS WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. SO, UH, THIS IS IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SO IT'S A THREE STEP PROCESS FOR ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT. UH, YOU SAW A CONCEPT PLAN A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, WHICH WAS THE FIRST CONCEPT WITH NON-BINDING INFORMAL FEEDBACK AT THAT TIME. AND, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED ARE THE ONES THAT, UH, WERE ADDRESSED, UH, THIS EVENING. UH, AT THIS LEVEL WE ARE AT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE. SO THIS IS THE STAGE WHERE WE SET THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE FINAL DETAILS FOR THE SITE AND THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE OPEN SPACES AND SO FORTH. SO THIS IS A DETERMINATION, UH, STEP WHERE YOU ARE VOTING ON THE, UH, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL STEP WITH ALL THE FINAL, UH, ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SITE LOCATION, SO I'M GONNA SKIP THROUGH THAT. UH, TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SITE HISTORY, UH, OTHER THAN TO MENTION THAT THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL SLIVER OF LAND THAT MS. KESSLER ALLUDED TO THAT THEY'VE ACQUIRED FROM THE PARCEL NEXT DOOR. AND THAT, UH, DID NOT REQUIRE A FULL PLA, IT WAS CLASSIFIED AS A MINOR SUBDIVISION THAT STAFF WAS ABLE TO APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY. SO THE LOT LINE SHIFTED TO THE EAST A LITTLE BIT. UH, IT IS IN THE, UH, FU UH, MIXED USE URBAN FUTURE LAND USE, UH, CATEGORY, WHICH, UH, AS IT INFERS, IT ALLOWS A MIXTURE OF USES INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS, UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. AND IN TERMS OF BUILDING FORM AND ORIENTATION, IT IS INTENDED TO BE MORE URBAN AND BETWEEN THREE TO SIX STORIES IN HEIGHTS. SO IT IS, UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT INTENT. UH, IT'S ALSO WITHIN THE BRIDGE, UH, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SPECIAL AREA PLAN, AND SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE, UH, UH, EAST SUB AREA OF THAT, UH, OF THAT DISTRICT. AND AGAIN, THE INTENT THERE IS TO GRADUALLY, UH, SWITCH FROM THE CURRENT SUBURBAN ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT TO A MORE, UH, WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT. SO THE MIX OF USES AND DBRT THAT WAS MENTIONED ARE ALL, UH, PART OF THAT INTENT AND, AND ARE HAPPENING GRADUALLY. THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT COULD INCLUDE SEVERAL DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS ONE IS WITHIN THE ISLAM CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND YOU CAN SEE THE GRAPHIC ON THE SCREEN THAT, UH, UH, PROVIDES SOME, UM, STANDARDS OR RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT TO FOLLOW. SO IT COVERS THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMERCIAL AREAS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT. UH, AGAIN, MUCH LIKE THE FUTURE LAND USE, IT'S, UH, ENCOURAGES STRONG MIX OF USES AND, UM, IMPROVED ACCESS, UH, FROM SUMMER ROAD AND, AND, AND LINKS TO TRAFFIC, UH, TO TRANSIT. UH, YOU'LL SEE AT THE CORNER OF THE SITE IS AN, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE ON THE MAP, UH, THAT THAT INTERSECTION IS CLASSIFIED AS A GATEWAY. SO, UM, THE, SOME OF THE ASPECTS THAT, UH, WERE ADDRESSED WITH THE BUILDING AND WITH THE OPEN SPACE, UM, CORRESPOND TO THAT REQUIREMENT. THERE'S ALSO, WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET, THIS LIKE A VERY SPECIFIC STREET SCAPE STANDARD. UH, THERE ARE TWO STREET CLASSIFICATIONS AND, UH, THE, THIS STREET, UH, FALLS UNDER THE STANDARD STREET, UH, CLASSIFICATIONS. SO IT DOES, UH, INCLUDE, UH, CONCRETE SIDEWALKS VERSUS OTHERS THAT, UH, MAY REQUIRE BRICK SIDEWALKS, UH, BUT ALSO HAS, UH, CERTAIN, UH, LIKE GRANITE CURBS FOR EXAMPLE. AND, UH, PERMEABLE BRICK PAVERS FOR THE ON STREET PARKING SPACES. AND A CERTAIN ALIGNMENT WITH THE, WITH THE CROSS SECTION IN TERMS OF THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK AND WHETHER IT'S THREE, UH, BEDS OR WHETHER IT'S, UH, THREE GRATES THAT ARE INCLUDED. SO THOSE ALL ALSO ARE REQUIRED AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT. SO, UM, AS WE PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER, WHEN IT COMES TO THE SITE PLAN, THE SLIVER THAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE RIGHT IS THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY THAT WAS ACQUIRED SINCE THE, UH, CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW. THE SLIVER IN GREEN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE [00:25:01] GRAPHIC IS THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY THAT MS. KESSLER MENTIONED THAT THE CITY IS ASKING FOR. AND THEN, UM, YOU'LL SEE A FEW OTHER THINGS THERE, UH, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED ON STREET PARKING. UH, THIS IS STILL BEING WORKED OUT WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY, UM, DEPARTMENT. IT WOULD REQUIRE, IT WOULD FIT WITHIN THE EXISTING PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME RES STRIPING AND REMOVAL OF THE LEFT TURN LANES ON DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE, NORTHBOUND AT BANKER DRIVE, AND THEN WESTBOUND ON BANKER, UM, AT THAT INTERSECTION. SO THERE'S SOME STRIPING AND SOME DIMENSIONAL DETAILS THAT WILL BE, UH, FURTHER DISCUSSED BEFORE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ON DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE IS UNCERTAIN AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WITH THAT MAJOR INTERSECTION, THERE WILL STILL BE A TURN LANE AT THAT LOCATION. AND SO, UH, AGAIN, BETWEEN NOW AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE WILL BE A LITTLE FURTHER DETERMINATION AS TO WHERE THE ON STREET PARKING STARTS RELATIVE TO THE INTERSECTION. UH, A FEW OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE. ONE IS, UH, UM, WITH THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE DERIVE DERIVED FROM THE BUILDING TYPE. SO IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE PURSUING THE APARTMENT BUILDING TYPE, WHICH REQUIRES, UH, REQUIRED BUILDINGS ZONE OF FIVE TO 20 FEET. UM, BASICALLY THE, THE SETBACK. AND, UM, THIS SITE IS CHALLENGING FROM THAT SIDE POINT BECAUSE IT HAS FRONTAGE ON THREE DIFFERENT STREETS. UH, IT IS REQUIRED TO ADDRESS THE TWO PRINCIPAL FRONTED STREETS, WHICH ARE IN THIS CASE. AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE CLASSIFICATIONS WITHIN THE CODE, BUT THE PRINCIPLE FRONT STREETS ARE 1 61 AND DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE. SO THE BUILDING IS WHERE IT'S INTENDED TO BE, BUT THAT LEAVES THE NORTHERN, UH, LINE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED ON THE SCREEN OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE. SO, UH, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER FROM THAT REQUIREMENT. WE BELIEVE IT'S REASONABLE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE, UH, ITEMS WE, WE ARE GONNA ASK YOU TO VOTE ON TONIGHT. THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THERE IN TERMS OF THE, UH, REQUIRED BUILDING FRONTAGE. THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE FRONTAGE THAT HAS TO HAVE A BUILDING WITH THAT WITHIN THAT REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE. AND AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE DETAILS BECAUSE THE FULL, UM, LENGTH OR WIDTH OF THE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE IS NOT SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT WE BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE JUST SHY OF THAT WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE RANGE. AND WE'LL ADDRESS THAT, THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHEN WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE, UH, INFORMATION. BUT AGAIN, IT PROVIDES QUITE A BIT OF BUILDING FRONTAGE ALONG THE TWO PRINCIPAL FRONTAGE STREETS. UM, SETBACKS, UM, ARE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN OFF OF THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY LINE. THEY'RE NOT CLEAR ON THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY LINE TO THE EAST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PARKING, UM, MEETS THAT REQUIREMENT. UH, IT DOES APPEAR THAT PERHAPS THE, UH, DUMPSTER PAD AND SOME, UH, SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS MAY ENCROACH INTO THAT FIVE FOOT SETBACK. BUT AGAIN, WE WILL, UH, ADDRESS THOSE AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHEN, WHEN WE KNOW THE DETAILS A LITTLE MORE, UM, STORM WATER, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, UH, THROUGH A DETENTION, UM, TANK UNDERNEATH THE PAVEMENT. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE ON THE SCREEN. THE ONLY ISSUE THERE IS, UH, AND, AND THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL NEED, UH, ABOUT STORM WATER BEFORE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. BUT, UH, THE REASON I'M SHOWING IT HERE IS BECAUSE SOME OF THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS WITHIN THE PARKING LOT ARE ON TOP OF THAT. SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A FEW FURTHER DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN NOW AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ISLANDS COULD IN FACT ACCOMMODATE THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S REQUIRED WITHIN THEM. UH, PARKING, UH, THE REQUIREMENT IS 88 SPACES THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. THE, UH, THEY GET A BREAK FOR PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT, UM, BUT 88 WOULD TYPICALLY BE REQUIRED. UM, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO COUNT ON STREET PARKING AS LONG AS THAT'S WITHIN THE, UH, LIMITS OF THE PROPERTY LINES. SO DEPENDING ON HOW MANY SPACES THEY CAN GET ON DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE, THEY'LL HAVE A TOTAL OF BETWEEN, UH, 82 AND 86. SO JUST SHY OF THE REQUIREMENT. UH, WE DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, BASED ON THIS USE, THAT THAT'S A REASONABLE, UM, UH, PREMISE FOR A PARKING PLAN THAT IS, UH, THERE ARE PARAMETERS FOR, UH, PRESENTING A PARKING PLAN AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE. SO WE'LL LOOK AT THOSE DETAILS AT THAT TIME, BUT WE BELIEVE THE APPROACH IS THE APPROPRIATE APPROACH. THE BRIDGESTREET STANDARDS ALSO REQUIRE FOR THIS, UH, BUILDING TYPE, UH, THAT THE BUILDING, UH, UP [00:30:01] TO 20 FEET INSIDE OF THE WALL FACING A PUBLIC STREET BE OCCUPIED. AND IN THIS CASE THEY HAVE A WATER, UM, WATER ROOM AND AN ELECTRIC ROOM THAT ARE TECHNICALLY NOT CONSIDERED OCCUPIED SPACE. AND SO THAT DOES REQUIRE A WAIVER, UH, THAT WE ARE ALSO ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER TONIGHT. UM, THEY'VE ADDRESSED THAT ARCHITECTURALLY WITH THE BUILDING, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD IMMEDIATELY NOTICE. AND THE SCALE RELATIVE TO THE REST OF THE BUILDING FRONTAGE IS, UH, MINIMAL. SO WE BELIEVE THAT THAT IS AN, UH, REASONABLE WAIVER. UM, IN TERMS OF THE USE, THERE ARE, UH, 38 1 BEDROOM UNITS, 29 2 BEDROOM UNITS AND EIGHT THREE BEDROOM UNITS, ALONG WITH ABOUT 4,100 SQUARE FEET OF THAT AMENITY SPACE AND FITNESS AREA, AND COMMON OPEN, UH, COMMON SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. AND SO YOU'D SEE THE COLOR CODING ON, ON THAT MAP. AND THE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE ALSO IS REFLECTED ON THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS OPEN SPACE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE. AND THAT HAS TO FIT INTO SPECIFIC OPEN SPACE TYPES THAT ARE, UH, UM, DEFINED IN THE BRIDGE STREET CODE. THEY, WITH ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY TAKES AND ALL THE, UH, THINGS THAT THEY HAD TO ADDRESS, THEY STILL WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE 15,000 SQUARE FEET WITH ONE EXCEPTION. AND THAT IS THAT THERE'S A EXISTING, UH, EQUIPMENT YARD, UM, BASICALLY, UH, UTILITY EQUIPMENT AT THE NORTH END OF THE SITE THAT YOU SEE IN RED ON THIS GRAPHIC. AND THEY'RE ADDING A, UH, A GENERATOR, UH, ALSO TO THAT AREA. SO IN THE PAST, THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO COUNT TOWARDS THE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE. BUT THE, UM, AREA IS SO SMALL THAT AGAIN, IT'S WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE, 10% ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE, UM, CATEGORY. SO, UH, WE'LL ALSO BRING THAT TO YOU AS POTENTIALLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE OR ANY OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT AT THE FUND DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE. THE, UH, ORGANIZATION OF THE OPEN SPACE MAKES SENSE. ALSO, GOING BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE SAW MILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AS YOU'LL SEE AGAIN ON THE GRAPHIC TO THE RIGHT, DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE HAS A GREENWAY OR A GREEN BELT THAT'S, UH, UM, INCLUDED IN THE PLAN THAT TERMINATES RIGHT AT THE NORTH, UM, CORNER OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING. SO HAVING THAT POCKET PARK, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THAT TERMINATES, AND THEN HAVING THE OTHER PARK, UH, POCKET PARK AT THE GATEWAY, UH, ADDRESSES THAT INTENT OF HAVING CONNECTIVITY AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND, UH, MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION AT THAT LOCATION. SOME OF THESE, UH, DIMENSIONAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE OPEN SPACE TYPES ARE NOT MET AS CONFIGURED RIGHT NOW. UH, WE DO FEEL THAT WITH SOME DESIGN ADJUSTMENTS THAT THOSE COULD BE MET, THOSE HAVE TO DO WITH HOW WIDE VERSUS HOW DEEP AN OPEN SPACE IS. UH, BUT WE THINK THOSE COULD BE, UH, EASILY ADDRESSED. THE BUILDING IS, UH, FOUR STORIES WELL WITHIN THE, UH, LIMITS, UH, WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, UH, THAT, UH, ALLOW A MINIMUM OF TWO STORIES AND A MAXIMUM OF FOUR AND A HALF STORIES, AND AGAIN, COMPLIANT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. AND THEY, MS. KESLER TALKED ABOUT THE GATEWAY ELEMENTS, SO I WILL, UH, NOT REPEAT THAT HERE. UM, THERE ARE SOME, UH, TECHNICAL CODE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, VERTICAL INCREMENTS, HOW WIDE THOSE COULD BE, AND CERTAIN, UH, PERCENTAGES OF TRANSPARENCY THAT ARE, UH, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE CODE. AND SO THOSE MAY COME BACK TO YOU, UM, AS WAIVERS OR ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURES. BUT WE DO THINK THAT THE INTENT IS MET WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DIRECTION. AND ONE THING ABOUT THE EAST ELEVATION IS, UH, THAT ONE DOES NOT MEET THE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS, BUT THAT IS INTENTIONAL BECAUSE OF THE, UH, PUBLIC ART OPPORTUNITY THAT MS. KESSLER, UH, POINTED OUT. UH, WITH THAT, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT WITH PUBLIC ART, UH, THE, THAT'S, UH, THERE'S A NEW, UM, PROGRAM WITH THE, THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL CALLED THE PUBLIC ART BOARD, OR NEW BOARD THAT WOULD LOOK AT ALL PUBLIC ART INSTALLATIONS. AND SO THOSE ONES WOULD BE, UH, YOU LOOKING AT THAT IN TERMS OF THE, UH, LOCATIONS IN GENERAL. BUT THE SPECIFIC, UH, REVIEW AND APPROVALS OF PUBLIC ART INSTALLATIONS THEMSELVES WOULD BE THE PUBLIC ART BOARD. SO, WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. UH, WITH THAT SAID, THERE MAY STILL BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR FENESTRATION ON THIS ELEVATION, BUT, UH, WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON [00:35:01] THAT AS WE GET TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO TWO WAIVERS, UH, THAT I MENTIONED. THE, UH, REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE. IN THE OCCUPIED SPACE, UH, WE BELIEVE THE CRITERIA ARE MET FOR BOTH, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE, UM, OH, OR, I'M SORRY, THESE ARE THE CRITERIA FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. UH, ALL OF THEM ARE EITHER MET, MET WITH WAIVERS AND CONDITIONS, OR NOT APPLICABLE, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH SEVEN CONDITIONS, UH, BASICALLY AGAIN, UH, REFLECTING THE ITEMS THAT I MENTIONED IN MY REPORTS. SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION TO YOU BOTH. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL HANDLE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. AND I'M GONNA START WITH MR. CHINOOK THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. AND, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, THANK, UH, YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY LISTENED TO OUR COMMENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING, SO WE'VE ALWAYS APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB ADDRESSING THE COMMENTS, SO I, I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO THAT AND, UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT FEW. UM, JUST KIND OF ONE OVERARCHING BASIC QUESTION. IT SEEMS LIKE THE, AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S, WE'RE AT THE MERCY OF HOW YOU PRINTED AND PRINT DIFFERENT PRINTING, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THE RENDERINGS VERSUS THE ELEVATIONS VERSUS THE MATERIAL PAGES ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO IS THERE ONE, AS WE LOOK AT THE DESIGN STYLE HERE, IS THERE ONE, IF YOU, FROM OUR PACKET, AGAIN, I DUNNO IF YOU'VE SEEN HER, BUT, BUT THE, THE ELEVATIONS ARE DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT COLORS AND LOOK THAN THE, THAN THE RENDERING. SURE. UM, I WOULD SAY THE BEST ONES TO REFERENCE WOULD BE THE ACTUAL MATERIAL PAGE, UM, WHERE THE, THE BRICK SAMPLES ARE SHOWN. UM, OKAY. ON THE, THAT ONE I WOULD SAY IS THE CLOSEST AS WELL AS THE ELEVATIONS. UM, SO YEAH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE WORKING THROUGH THESE RENDERINGS AND GETTING THE GRAPHICS TO ALIGN IN 3D. OKAY. BECAUSE AGAIN, THE ELEVATIONS HAVE A MUCH DARKER LOOK TO THEM, WHICH ISN'T NECESSARILY BAD. I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT. THERE'S SOME, SOME DARK MATERIALS AROUND THE WINDOWS THAT ARE SHOWN IN ELEVATION BUT NOT SHOWN IN THE, UM, RENDERINGS. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT THE LOOK IS. UM, MR. HANOFF, MAY I PIGGY BACK? YEAH, FOR SURE. UH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO BRING IN A MATERIAL SAMPLE BOARD NEXT TIME WHEN WE SEE THIS AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN? YES, WE CAN BRING A BOARD IN. HAVE IT. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN I THINK FOR, OH, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION ON THE MATERIALS TOO. ON THE ELEVATION. SO THE, THE STOREFRONT IS GREAT, THE CANE STOREFRONT SYSTEM. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME, UM, I KNOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION, THERE'S SOME BLOCKED OUT STOREFRONT. WHAT IS THAT JUST A, CAN YOU TALK, TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY? UM, WE ARE PLANNING FOR THAT TO BE FIBER CEMENT PANEL AND IT WOULD MATCH THE FRAME OF THE STOREFRONT. SO IT'D BE LIKE A DARK BRONZE OKAY. TO MATCH THAT. SO YOU'VE GOT THE STOREFRONT SYSTEM, BUT A LOT OF A GOOD PORTION OF IT IS GONNA BE LIKE 25% OF IT'S GONNA ACTUALLY BE NOT GLAZING. IT'S GOING TO BE YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD PROVIDE THAT PERCENTAGE TOO FOR YOU TO, TO REVIEW. OKAY. YEAH. UM, SORRY FOR ALL THE DETAILED QUESTIONS, , UM, THE OTHER ONE WAS THE, UH, WE, I, WE HIT ON THE GENERATOR AND THAT UTILITY, IT SEEMS LIKE OBVIOUSLY CONSIDERED MOVING IT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A NICE AREA. YOU'VE GOT THE SEATING, YOU'VE KIND OF STARTING TO CREATE THIS PARK, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS BIG UTILITY GENER GENERATOR IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. UH, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THAT TOO? DID YOU CONSIDER MOVING IT? WAS IT JUST COST PROHIBITIVE OR NOT POSSIBLE? I THINK, UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK WITH THE EXISTING UTILITIES ALREADY THERE, IT, IT DID MAKE SENSE TO LOCATE THE GENERATOR IN THAT AREA. WE ALREADY WERE PLANNING TO SCREEN, UM, THAT AREA. AND SO ADDING IT FELT LIKE THE LOGICAL CHOICE THERE. UM, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, WE COULD LOOK AT, BUT KNOWING IT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GROWTH OF THAT POCKET PARK AND NOW IT BEING LARGER, UM, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S AS MUCH OF THE POCKET PARK BEING TAKEN UP BY THAT. UM, BUT WE CAN CONTINUE TO STUDY THAT. YEAH, IT IS JUST, IT'S DIS A LITTLE BIT, I'M SURE FOR YOU IT'S A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING 'CAUSE YOU GOT THIS REALLY NEAT OPPORTUNITY AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THAT SITUATION IN MIDDLE OF IT. UM, AND THEN ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE SITE. THE, UH, IT'S CALLED, YOU LABELED IT A 16 STREET STREET WALL SCREENING. WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT JUST LANDSCAPING OR IS IT ACTUALLY A WALL? UM, WE'RE THINKING A, A LOWER BRICK WALL. OKAY. TO KIND OF BLOCK THE, THE, YEAH, THE BRICK AND IT WOULD MATCH THE PRIMARY BRICK ON THE BUILDING AND SAME BRICK DETAILING AND THEN, SORRY, ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND THEN WOULD YOU, ON THE MURAL, I APPRECIATE PUBLIC ART, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SUCH A PROMINENT ELEVATION COMING DOWN 1 61, IS IT PO DID YOU CONSIDER HALF, LIKE IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET SOME GLAZING ON THAT MM-HMM . SOME WINDOWS, SOME TRANSPARENCY ON THAT. MM-HMM . COULD WE DO HALF MURAL, HALF PARTIAL, OR SOME, DID YOU CONSIDER ANY OF THAT? YEAH, CERTAINLY. I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY OPEN TO FEEDBACK [00:40:01] HERE AND, UM, AND UNDERSTANDING AND HEARING THOUGHTS. I THINK THE SIZE OF THE MURAL COULD BE AS LARGE AS WE'RE SHOWING HERE. THERE'S CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO LESSEN THE SIZE OF IT IF, UM, THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS FACADE. OKAY. AND ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF AND THEN I WILL TURN OVER. THE OBVIOUSLY NO CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONGESTION ON BANKER DRIVE WITH THAT SHARED A ACCESS DRIVE WITH IF THAT OTHER SITE BECOMES FULLY OCCUPIED, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH. YES. IT'S, UH, GENERALLY IN THE LOCATION THAT THE PLAN REFLECTS A POTENTIAL ALLEY IN THE FUTURE. SO, UH, I THINK, UH, YOU SAW A DASH LINE THAT REFLECTS A FUTURE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET A LITTLE FURTHER TO THE EAST, AND WHERE THE ACCESS DRIVE IS PROPOSED IS PRETTY MUCH HALFWAY IN BETWEEN, UH, DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE AND THAT FUTURE NEIGHBORHOOD SUITE. SO IT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE WOULD WANNA SEE IT. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS. THANK YOU MR. CHINOOK. MS. HART, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. I WAS HELPFUL AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND AGAIN, JUST ADDING THAT, LISTENING TO MANY OF OUR POINTS THAT WE MADE LAST TIME. APPRECIATE THAT. UM, ON SOME OF THOSE LINES TOO, I HAD THE, THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT, UM, UH, ABOUT BANKERS DRIVE AND ALSO THE, THE MECHANICALS AND MAKING SURE THAT EVEN IF YOU'RE ON THE SIDEWALK, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK IF SOMEONE'S WALKING AND WHAT THAT LANDSCAPING? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY THAT, THAT SPOT RIGHT THERE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY STUDYING THAT TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST, UM, APPROACH THERE TO MAKE SURE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IS MAINTAINED. HOW DOES NOISE, UM, MITIGATION COME IN WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT WITH LANDSCAPING AS WELL TOO? HAVE YOU PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO THAT ABOUT, UM, ESPECIALLY JUST LIKE ON THE DUBLIN? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK WITH THE, WITH THE GENERATOR, KNOWING THAT'S GONNA PROVIDE MORE NOISE, UM, TYPICALLY WE WOULD PROVIDE, UH, PANELS AROUND THAT, THAT WILL PREVENT SOME OF THAT SOUND TRANSFER AND THEN THE LANDSCAPE WOULD PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL BUFFER, UM, FOR NOISE. AND THEN ARE YOU ALSO THINKING ABOUT JUST THE, THE CARS AND SO FORTH? HMM. UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S RAINING, IT HAS A WHOLE DIFFERENT NOISE AND UM, OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT, UH, DIFFERENT TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING BY AND THINKING ABOUT THAT, THOSE NOISES AS WELL ON, ON BAKER DRIVE, JUST TO CLARIFY. NO, ON THE OTHER, YEAH. OH, ON 1 61. 1 61. UM, I THINK, UM, THAT HASN'T BEEN SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY, UM, WE THOUGHT ABOUT AT THIS STAGE. I THINK ALONG 1 61, HAVING THAT, THAT GREATER BUFFER THERE NOW WITH THAT MOVE RIGHT AWAY, UM, DOES ALSO PROVIDE SOME FARTHER DISTANCE, UM, TO PREVENT ANY REALLY LOUD NOISES. AND KNOWING THAT IN THE FUTURE IF THE 1 61 IMPROVEMENTS GET IMPLEMENTED WOULD HAVE A MUCH DIFFERENT FEEL, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE A BIKE LANE BETWEEN YOU AND A SIDEWALK, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE, TO THE PLAZA THAT WE SHOW. NOW, JUST PARTING FROM THAT, ALSO WITH THE CITY, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT SPEED LAST TIME. WOULD WE BE HEARING NEXT TIME ABOUT THE SPEED, UM, ABOUT, UM, IF IT'S, IF IT WHEN IT WOULD GO TO 25? I THINK THAT SEEMS TO BE A PROJECTION POSSIBLE. YES. THE, THE PLAN IS THAT IT WOULD EVENTUALLY BE 25 MILES PER HOUR. I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE ON THAT AT THIS POINT. IT MAY BE TIED TO THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE BRT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. MAYBE TIED TO THE IMPROVEMENTS INSTEAD OF THE BUILDING OF THE PLACE. LIKE, IT, IT, IT MIGHT BE THE SAME SPEED WITH, UM, AFTER THERE'S OCCUPANTS THERE, PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE. YEAH. I THINK IT'S GONNA BE GRADUAL. AGAIN, I THINK, UH, SOME OF THE SLIDES THAT MS. KESSLER SHOWED TALK ABOUT THE PARADIGM SHIFT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE TRANSPORTATION AND SHIFTING THE PRIORITY FROM VEHICLES TO MULTIMODAL. SO THE TIMING OF THE ACTUAL, UH, SPEED LIMIT CHANGE MAY PROCEED THE ACTUAL, UH, BRT, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY THAT'S THE INTENT. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. 'CAUSE HEARING JUST ABOUT SAFETY AND SO FORTH LAST TIME. AND THEN I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, YOUR DUMPSTER AND I'M FINE WITH THE SPACE. UH, YOU, YOU SEEM TO HAVE IT. UM, WELL LANDSCAPED AROUND IF I'M, OR, YOU KNOW, BUT WHAT MATERIALS ARE YOU USING ON THE FRONT THAT WE WOULD BE SEEING, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT FOR EASY ACCESS FOR YOU ALL TO GET THERE? SURE. UM, SO THE ENCLOSURE AROUND IT WOULD BE BRICK AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD MATCH THE BUILDING MM-HMM . UM, I THINK FOR THE, FOR THE PANELS THAT ACTUALLY SWING OPEN, UM, THERE'S LOTS OF OPTIONS OUT THERE, , UM, I DUNNO CURRENTLY, BUT WE CAN STUDY THAT MATERIAL TO MAKE SURE IT STAYS LOOKING GOOD. . AND THEN, UM, A COUPLE THINGS. I, I GUESS I'M THINKING ABOUT THE ROOF AND WHAT, WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE ON TOP, BECAUSE YOU ARE, YOU, YOU POSSIBLY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STARTING OUT HERE AS ONE OF OUR FIRST AREAS AND, UM, IT'S A THREE, ALMOST FOUR FOOT, LET'S JUST SAY, UH, STORY. SO, AND YOU CAN GO TO SIX OR SEVEN. IS THAT, SO I'M TRYING TO THINK LIKE WHEN THERE'S A HIGHER BUILDING COMING, WHICH [00:45:01] THEY SAY THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD AND SOMEONE MIGHT BE LOOKING DOWN AT YOUR BUILDING, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA SEE THAT WE MIGHT MISS? AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO THINK ABOUT. SURE. UM, THERE'S NO MAJOR EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF. UM, YOU WOULD SEE THE ELEVATOR SHAFT AND THE STAIR SHAFTS MM-HMM . UM, JUST A CODE REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO COME UP PAST THE ROOF. UM, BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE MAJOR, ANY MAJOR EQUIPMENT, UM, LOCATED UP THERE. WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT, UM, CONSIDERING NOT, UH, NOT THAT THE SPACE WOULD BE USABLE UNLESS YOU WANTED TO, UM, BUT JUST, UM, WHAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE MIGHT SAY, OH, THAT'S A, A NICE COLOR OR A NICE, YOU KNOW, UH, TEXTURE THAT'S USED MM-HMM . UM, FOR THE ROOF MATERIAL? YEAH. FOR A ROOF. UM, YEAH, WE COULD LOOK INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY WE HAVE PLANNED FOR A LOW SLOPE ROOF MEMBRANE. THEY COME IN PLENTY OF COLORS. UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT CERTAINLY. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, I HAVE TWO LAST QUESTIONS. ONE ARE, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, UM, THE, THAT THAT IT'S CERTIFIED INSTALLERS? IS THAT ON YOUR RADAR? ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THAT WHEN, FOR THE ROOF, FOR THE WHOLE BUILDING? YEAH. YEAH. SO, UM, OUR SPECIFICATIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE PUT TOGETHER AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, UM, THEY OUTLINE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CONTRACTOR WILL HAVE TO, TO FOLLOW. THERE'LL BE SPECIFIC ONES THAT, UM, DEFINITELY SUCH AS ROOFING, UM, REQUIRE CERTIFIED INSTALLERS. AND THAT'LL ALL BE PROVIDED AS PART OF OUR, OUR FUTURE PROJECT MANUAL. UM, THE LAST THING, MR. DESLER, UH, WAS, UH, VERY GOOD AT BRINGING UP ABOUT, UM, YOU ALL THINKING ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT OR PUTTING IT UNDERNEATH, AND THEN IT WAS MORE LIKE, WELL, IT JUST NEVER CAME UP. AND SINCE YOU'RE LIKE THE FIRST OUT OF THE GATE, UM, AND I HOPE HE WAS, YOU KNOW, ADDS TO THIS QUESTION TOO. ANY MORE THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT, ABOUT WHY THAT HAS NOT, HAS GONE AWAY AND WASN'T EVEN SOMETHING TO BE A CONTENDER? UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK, I THINK HERE WE'RE REALLY PRIORITIZING, UM, THE BUILDING AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE UNITS THEMSELVES. AND SO, UM, BY PRIORITIZING THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE MORE UNITS AND MORE COMMON SPACE. UM, AND WE, WE FEEL THAT THE PARKING LOT IS MUCH IMPROVED AND, UM, STILL PROVIDES THE OPEN SPACE AND THE SPACE WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT WE NEED. UM, SO AT THIS TIME WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT FURTHER. THANK YOU, MR. WE THANK YOU. UM, THAT WAS A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION BY THE WAY, THE WAY THAT YOU STEPPED THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS FROM OUR LAST MEETING, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS, IT WAS VERY CLEAR AND VERY, VERY HELPFUL. UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND, UM, ACTUALLY YOUR PRESENTATION KIND OF ALERTED ME TO SOMETHING I HADN'T PAID ATTENTION TO BEFORE, AND THAT IS THE CORNER OF DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE AND 1 61 THAT IS NOW AN ENCLOSED SPACE, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY WINDOWS OR ANYTHING ON IT, RIGHT? IT IS IT STILL OPEN AIR? SO IT'S OPEN AIR, IT'S EXTERIOR. UM, IT'S, THERE'S KIND OF TWO ENTRY POINTS. UM, THERE'S AN ACCESSIBLE ENTRY POINT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN GET IN, GET OUT. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, UM, TO ALL IN'S MISSION AND THIS PROJECT. UM, SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW, BASSAM, IF YOU COULD POINT YOUR CO CURRENT, UM, LIKE RIGHT THERE. YEAH, SO THERE'S TWO ENTRY POINTS TO GET INTO THAT. AND THEN THAT CENTER POINT IS ALSO OPEN AIR, UM, BUT IT'S LANDSCAPED. UM, SO IT IS COVERED, UM, BUT FULLY ACCESSIBLE. SO AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION OF THAT CORNER, IT LOOKS VERY ENCLOSED. AND I GUESS I'M GONNA TURN TO BASSAM. WHEN DOES IT BECOME AN INTERIOR SPACE VERSUS AN EXTERIOR SPACE? I, I THINK AS WE LOOKED AT IT, WE FELT COMFORTABLE THAT IT MET THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE POCKET PARK. SO IT, IT'S CERTAINLY MORE ENCLOSED THAN IT WAS BEFORE. UH, WE, ONE OF THE, SO, AND MAYBE I'LL, I'LL GO TO THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSS AS PART OF THE EVOLUTION OF THIS PROCESS IS TO, UH, THROUGH SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, DRAW PEOPLE IN. AND SO YOU SEE A CANOPY THERE THAT WAS ADDED, UM, TO, UH, KIND CONVEY THAT OPEN SPACE, UH, IN THIS IMAGE. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DECEIVING BECAUSE OF, UH, THE, UH, MURAL THAT'S, UH, BEING REFLECTED JUST BEHIND IT. BUT THOSE TWO COLUMNS ARE WIDE OPEN THERE. SO I THINK IN REALITY IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA LOOK MUCH MORE, IT LOOKS LIKE GLAZING IN THE, IN THE RENDERING. THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I WAS CONFUSED TO BEGIN WITH. YEAH, THAT'S A MURAL. BUT AGAIN, I'M STILL GOING BACK TO WHAT DEFINES THE POCKET PARK VERSUS POCKET PLAZA. WHAT I MEAN HOW MUCH, THERE'S A LOT OF WALLS THAT ARE ENCLOSING THIS FROM THE, THE PUBLIC ENVIRONMENT, AND IT FEELS TO ME LIKE IT'S BECOMING MUCH MORE OF A PRIVATE SPACE THAN A PUBLIC SPACE. YEAH. THERE, THERE WAS [00:50:01] NO DEFINITION IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH OF IT IS, HAS A COVER OVER IT. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S A BALANCING ACT BETWEEN BEING ON A CURRENTLY BUSY STREET AND NEEDING A LITTLE BIT OF PROTECTION AND HAVING IT FEEL LIKE IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. SO AGAIN, I THINK THE THOUGHT WAS WITH THE CANOPY, WITH THE, AND WITH A LITTLE SPILL OVER TO THE EXTERIOR, THAT, THAT ALL FUNCTIONS TOGETHER TO SERVE THAT PURPOSE. I, I DON'T OBJECT TO IT. I LIKE, I LIKE THE EVOLVEMENT OF THAT IMAGE. I JUST WONDERED IF WE CAN CLASSIFY IT REALLY AS OPEN SPACE. I MEAN, I'M, AND, AND, AND SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT FOR STAFF TO CONSIDER THAT. UM, WHAT, AGAIN, THE RENDERING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW HAS A PATHWAY THAT'S COMING UP FROM 1 61 THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE PLANS. YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A PATHWAY COMING UP FROM THE SIDE STREET THAT SHOWS UP IN THE PLAN. I JUST WONDERED IS, UM, THE, SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT THE PLAN OR THE RENDERING? UM, THE PLAN WOULD BE MORE UP TO DATE. UM, THIS MAY HAVE BEEN BEFORE. I THINK WE HAD MORE ENTRY POINTS AT ONE TIME. UM, CONNECTING LIKE OUR POCKET PLAZA FROM 1 61. I THINK ONCE WE STARTED TO INCORPORATE THAT PROPOSED RIGHT OF WAY SHIFTED, WE UNDERSTOOD WE DIDN'T WANT DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT WAS JUST GONNA GET TORN OUT EVENTUALLY. SO I THINK THAT POINT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE HAS NOW BEEN SHIFTED TO THE MIDPOINT OF THE BUILDING ELEVATION. YEAH, I I THINK THOSE, THOSE CONNECTION POINTS ARE IMPORTANT. MM-HMM . SO WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT. AND, AND WHEN WE DELIBERATE, UM, BASSAM, UH, THE, UM, SIDE STREET BANK, WHICH IS, I KEEP FORGETTING THE NAME OF IT, HELP ME. NO. DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE. OH. SO THE PARKING, THE PARKING ON DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE, UM, IS STILL BEING STUDIED. WE DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT THAT IS YET. UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT LIKE THIS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE GROUND LEVEL ACTIVITY ON A LOT OF THE MAJOR STREETS. AND I GET, I WOULD SAY THAT 1 61 AND DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE ARE BOTH IMPORTANT STREETS. BUT YOU'VE DONE SUCH A GOOD JOB WITH KIND OF REORGANIZING 1 61. I CAN UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO PUT RESIDENTIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE THERE OUTSIDE OF THOSE UNITS. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL AT THE GROUND FLOOR, YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME LANDSCAPE OR SOMETHING THERE TO SOFTEN OR EVEN TO SCREEN TO SOME DEGREE. AND I GUESS, UH, HAS THERE BEEN CONSIDERATION, UH, BASSAM THAT PERHAPS WE FOREGO THE ON STREETE PARKING THERE TO PUSH THE SIDEWALK OUT, UM, AND TO PICK UP SOME GREEN SPACE THERE THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS? I, I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO, UH, FOLLOW THE STANDARD FOR THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT. AND, UH, WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT MAY HAPPEN EVENTUALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND, AND THAT, UH, BUFFER THAT ON STREET PARKING PROVIDES FROM MOVING TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE COMING OFF OF A BUSY STREET. AND SO RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SHOWN IN TERMS OF THE, UH, THE ON STREET PARKING AND A PART, A PART OF THE SIDEWALK IS, IS WITHIN THE EXISTING PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. UH, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THAT COULD BUY A LITTLE MORE SPACE FOR, UH, WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. I, AS WE DELIBERATE THIS, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT. JUST IT'S, IT'S A CONCERN OF MINE. UM, AND, AND KIND OF RELATED TO THAT, UM, THERE IS PARKING AT THE BANK RIGHT NOW HAD, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A SHARED USE AT LEAST WHILE IT'S STILL A BANK ? UM, I DON'T WANNA FULLY SPEAK FOR THE OWNER HERE, BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT THAT COULD BE HAD, UM, TO DISCUSS THAT. BECAUSE IF THERE WAS SOME, YOU KNOW, TEMPORARY LIKE SHARED USE OF THE PARKING, THAT THAT COULD OFFSET SOME OF THE OTHER PARKING DISCUSSIONS. OKAY. AGREED. . UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE COMMENT ABOUT, UM, THE MURAL, UM, THE INTENTION OF HAVING PUBLIC ART IS FABULOUS. I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, DOES IT HAVE TO BE A MURAL IN THE BUILDING OR COULD IT BE SOMETHING ELSE? AND THEN IT BACK TO, I THINK THE POINT THAT WAS MADE EARLY THAT IF IT'S NOT A MURAL, WHAT DOES THAT FACADE LOOK LIKE? THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL UNITS STACKED UP ON THE ONE SIDE, SO YOU COULD HAVE WINDOWS IN THOSE UNITS, YOU THEN HAVE THE STAIRS. OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T DO, PROBABLY THAT'S SOLID, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME ABILITY TO LOOK AT THAT. IF IT IS A MURAL, THERE'S ABILITY TO BREAK THAT DOWN MAYBE AND LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY. AND AS I THINK, AS SOMEBODY SAID, AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN 1 61 UNTIL THE BANK SITE REDEVELOPS, THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR FIRST WELCOME TO DUBLIN , UH, IMAGE. SO, UM, JUST THROWING THAT OUT. THANK YOU. THANK [00:55:01] YOU. MR. WE, MR. ALEXANDER, UH, JUST, JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS. UH, I AGREE. THIS IS A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION. UM, SO IT'S VERY CLEAR. I KNOW, BUT I THINK I THINK WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN THINGS ARE DONE WELL. 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. UM, THEN I, I DO HAVE THE SAME RESERVATIONS WITH THE MURAL, UM, BECAUSE WE PROMOTE FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE AND YOUR ELEVATION DEVELOPMENT, UM, HAS GREAT CONTINUITY AROUND ALL THE SIDES. AND THEN YOU COME TO RIGHT THERE AND EVEN THE WAY IT, IT TURNS THE CORNER, UM, FROM THE REAR TO THAT FACE IS REALLY, REALLY SEVERE. SO THE IDEA OF FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE, I THINK IS COMPROMISED BY, BY THAT I DO LIKE WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING, UM, ART AT MULTIPLE SCALES. SO THERE'S SOMETHING THERE AT THE VEHICULAR SCALE. THERE'S SOMETHING IN YOUR, UM, SCULPTURE, UM, IN THE, IN, IN THE COURT. UH, BUT THE, AND THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I HAD IS WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR SITE PLAN OR LANDSCAPE PLAN, IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, YOU, YOU DO HAVE LANDSCAPE PROPOSED ON DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE BETWEEN THE FACE OF THE BUILDING AND THE SIDEWALK. IS IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE I I'M LOOKING AT, I'M YEAH, THAT THAT'S CORRECT. THE LANDSCAPE BETWEEN, ON DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE. ON DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE, YEAH. YEAH. IT APPEARS THAT THE FACE OF THOSE STRUCTURES DO, HAVE, DO, HAVE LANDSCAPE BETWEEN THEM, BUT IT'S, IT'S VERY NARROW AND THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF LANDSCAPE. IT'S JUST, IT'S GONNA BE MINIMAL. WELL, I JUST WANT TO SEE IF THAT WAS THE CASE OR, OR THE, THE DRAWING WAS INACCURATE. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT. THANKS. THANKS FOR LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS EARLIER. THANK YOU MR. LER. HEY, THANKS. UH, BASS, SOME QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, THIS IS CONCERNING SOME OF THE OPEN SPACE. DOES, ARE THERE ANY OBLIGATIONS OR ALLOWANCES FOR THE BUILDING TO HAVE NON-PUBLIC SPACE, LIKE PRIVATE SPACE IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY GARDEN OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF AREA FOR SOME OF THE RESIDENTS TO GO OUT IN? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO THERE ARE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OPEN SPACE TYPES, WHICH ARE INTENDED TO BE PUBLIC, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BEING HIGHLIGHTED HERE. BUT THEY CERTAINLY HAVE SPACES ON THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE THAT DON'T TECHNICALLY COUNT TOWARDS THE CODE REQUIREMENTS, BUT ARE CERTAINLY, UH, ADDITIONAL AMENITIES THAT, UH, THEY'RE A LOT TO HAVE. AND IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN, UM, UM, MS. KESLER WAS SHOWING THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO OPEN SPACE PLANS, THE PREVIOUS VERSION HAD A LOT OF THE OPEN SPACE THAT WAS INTERNAL TO THE SITE. UM, IT'S JUST DIDN'T COUNT TOWARDS THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE BRIDGE STREET CODE. SO THIS DOES NOT EXCLUDE THAT. IT JUST, UH, IS NOT HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T YEAH, I WAS THINKING MORE LIKE EXTERNAL GREEN PRIVATE SPACE, NOT NECESSARILY OPEN SPACE. UM, THAT'S FINE. I'LL COME BACK TO THAT THOUGH ON THE, THE TRAFFIC COMPONENT HAS, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE STUDY HASN'T BEEN DONE YET ON THAT DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE 1 61 RELATIVE TO ALL THOSE PARKING SP SPACES. CORRECT. UH, SO LET ME BACKTRACK FOR A SECOND. OKAY. WITH THE BRIT STREET ZONING ALTOGETHER, BECAUSE THE BRIT STREET DISTRICT, WHEN IT WAS ZONED, THERE WAS A COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE AT THAT TIME. AND SO WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, WE DO NOT REQUIRE A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. THERE MAY BE TRIP GENERATION, UH, STUDIES THAT ARE, UH, MUCH SIMPLER. AND SO WHAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON IN AN INSTANCE LIKE THIS IS THE INTENT ALSO WAS ESTABLISHED IN TERMS OF THE STREET CHARACTER. AND SO ONCE WE GET OFF OF THE 1 61 FRONTAGE, THE INTENT IS TO MAKE THOSE STREETS MORE UH, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. SO THE, UH, DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANES GO AWAY. SO IN PRINCIPLE, THOSE HAVE BEEN SET IN MOTION IN PRACTICE HOW THE STRIPING EXACTLY IS GONNA LINE UP, AND WHERE WE CAN START THAT TRANSITION FROM THE INTERSECTION AT 1 61 TO BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE ON STREET PARKING. UM, THOSE DETAILS WILL BE WORKED OUT BETWEEN NOW AND THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO, UM, DON'T KNOW IF I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, BUT, UH, WE HAVE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THAT IS THE INTENDED APPROACH. WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS TO REFLECT WHERE THE STRIPING IS GONNA GO. JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU SAID YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY THE LEFT TURN LANE FROM DOUBLE CENTER DRIVE TURNING EAST ON DUBLIN GRANDVILLE? NO, NO, SORRY. IT'S THE NORTHBOUND DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE TURNING WEST ON BANKER DRIVE. OKAY. THEN THE, THE WESTBOUND ON BANKER DRIVE TURNING SOUTH ON DUBLIN CENTER IS, IS THERE AN INTENTION FOR ANY OTHER TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE BESIDE A STOP SIGN ON BAKER DRIVE AT THAT INTERSECTION? [01:00:01] UH, I DON'T BELIEVE SO AT THIS POINT. IT'S ALL, UH, AGAIN, PART OF THAT OVERALL, UH, COMPREHENSIVE STUDY FOR THE, EXCUSE ME, FOR THE AREA. I MEAN, WHAT I'LL SAY IS THAT INTERSECTION IS PRETTY TERRIBLE RIGHT NOW, AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE IT GETTING WORSE IF, IF THERE'S A REMOVAL OF THAT LEFT TURN LANE. I, I KNOW WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. JUST FYI TO THE CITY ON THAT, BY THE WAY. UM, GOING BACK TO, UH, KATHY BROUGHT UP THE PARKING. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. I, I BELIEVE THERE WAS, I HAD ASKED ABOUT IT. I KNOW I DID. UM, AND I THINK REBECCA BROUGHT IT UP TOO, ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES REQUIRING IN THE, THIS, UH, DISTRICT SOME EITHER TYPE OF STRUCTURED PARKING OR UNDERGROUND PARKING. DO, DO YOU RECALL THAT DURING THE, THE LAST PRESENTATION? YES. OKAY. SO BESIDES ADDING THE LANDSCAPING TO, TO SOME OF THE MIDDLE COMPONENTS, JUST TO CONFIRM THERE'S BEEN NO OTHER STUDY OR EVALUATION ON THAT FRONT? NO. OUR, OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM, FROM THE CODE, FROM THE BRIDGE STREET CODE IS THAT THE SURFACE LOT IS PERMITTED IN THE SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IN THIS DISTRICT. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, I THINK I'D STILL LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING I CAN TALK ABOUT IN DELIBERATION. IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARILY A QUESTION. UM, GOING ON THE, THE DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE FRONTAGE, CAN YOU PULL UP THE ONE, I THINK YOU PUT THE TWO PORCHES ON TWO OF THE UNITS. CAN WE SEE THAT ELEVATION BASSAM PLEASE? YES. DOWN ON THE UPDATE. SO IS, ARE THE, HOW MANY UNITS ARE THERE ACROSS ON THAT? UM, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY FIVE. OKAY. HAVE, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TO ADDING THOSE ARCHITECTURAL WALKUP COMPONENTS TO THE OTHER ELEVATIONS? YEAH, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER. I THINK INTENTIONALLY WITH, WITH THE MASSING, WE CHOSE THE TWO IN THE CENTER, UM, JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE A SIMILAR MASS. UM, I KNOW WE DID INTENTIONALLY, WE LOOKED AT HAVING ONE ON PAGE RIGHT CLOSER TO 1 61. IT FELT LIKE IT WAS TOO CLOSE TO ALL THE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE. UM, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT POTENTIALLY INTEGRATING ANOTHER ONE, MAYBE MORE TOWARDS THE BANKER DRIVE SIDE OF THE SITE. ARE THE OTHER THREE UNITS, DO THEY HAVE AN EGRESS ONTO DUBLIN VILLAGE THERE OR IS IT ONLY THE INTERNAL? UM, THEY, THEY HAVE A PATIO, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE AN INTERNAL ENTRANCE TO THEIR UNIT. UM, BUT HOW, HOW WE HAVE THESE UNITS NOW IS, UM, OH NO, I LIED. IT'S AN EGRESS OUT ONTO DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE, BUT IT'S A SECONDARY ENTRANCE. THEY ALSO HAVE AN INTERNAL ENTRANCE INTO THEIR UNIT. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME TYPE OF, UM, MIXED USE OF KIND OF THE FIRST FLOOR. I KNOW THERE WERE SOME ALTERATIONS ON THE, ON THE 1 61 SIDE. WAS THERE ANY FURTHER INVESTIGATION OR VALUATION OF ANY TYPE OF MIXED USE COMPONENTS? NOT NECESSARILY ON THE, UM, DOUBLE AND CENTER OR 1 61, BUT JUST SOMEWHERE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. MM-HMM . UM, IN TERMS OF MIXED USE, I WOULD SAY WHAT WE LOOKED AT AND STUDIED WAS SPECIFICALLY THE AMENITY SPACE, WHICH IN THIS BUILDING IS VERY LARGE. IT FEATURES A LARGE COMMUNITY SPACE, UM, THAT COULD BE OPEN AND HOST COMMUNITY AND VETS IN. UM, AND THEN THAT ALSO, UM, INCLUDES A LARGE GATHERING ROOM AND A FITNESS SPACE. UM, BUT FURTHER THAN THAT, THERE WERE NO OTHER MIXED USES THAT WE LOOKED AT. I THINK THAT'S IT. I MAY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE AFTER EVERYBODY GOES. OKAY. THANKS MR. GARMAN. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. IT WAS, UH, TO ECHO MR. WAY, IT WAS VERY CLEAR THE UPDATES THAT YOU MADE AND THE SUBSTANTIAL KIND OF CHANGES THAT YOU MADE TO FOLLOW OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, AND A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND DELIBERATION, BUT, UM, LEMME SEE IF I'VE GOT ANYTHING REMAINING HERE. I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THE STOREFRONTS, BUT, OH, JUST TO DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT MR. WAY BROUGHT UP ON THE CORNER OF DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE 1 61, I THINK IT'S POCKET PARK B, IF YOU CAN BRING UP THE OPEN SPACE MAP BASIN. SO THIS IS COVERED. [01:05:01] UH, THE, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND USING THE CURSOR ON, UH, POCKET PARK B INSIDE THE ROUNDED AREA WHERE WE KIND OF MENTIONED THAT IT'S COVERED, THERE'S TWO EN TWO ENTRANCES, SO THERE'D BE A ROOF THERE. YOU MENTIONED SOME KIND OF LANDSCAPING, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE HINDERING LIGHT AND WATER, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE ACTUAL GREENERY. UH, ARE YOU THINKING IT WOULD BE SOME KIND OF PLANTS THAT ARE TOLERANT TO THAT CONDITION OR IS THAT MORE HARD SCAPING? WHAT'S THE IDEA THERE? SO UNDER THE ACTUAL COVERING WOULD BE ALL HARDSCAPE. UM, AND THEN THE PORTION, IF YOU SEE LIKE THOSE LITTLE SQUIGGLY , THEY'RE LIKE THE WALLS THAT COME DOWN, ASK THEM, IF YOU GO A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE RIGHT AND DOWN, THERE'S LIKE A SLIVER OF LANDSCAPE BETWEEN THE ACTUAL COVERED PORTION AND THEN THE CURVED SIDEWALK. THAT WOULD BE LANDSCAPE. YEP. RIGHT THERE. RIGHT. I SEE. YEP. THAT WOULD BE LANDSCAPE, THAT WOULD BE OPEN AND OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE INTENTIONAL, BETTER CHOICE OF PLANT THERE IF IT GETS PARTIALLY SHADED. UM, BUT THE ACTUAL UNDERCOVER PORTION WOULD BE HARDSCAPE. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. GARVIN. UM, I THINK I ONLY HAVE TWO, UH, ONE FOR STAFF. CAN YOU CONFIRM, WE'VE HEARD FROM, FROM YOU BEFORE, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON THE RECORD AND THAT THE COMMISSION AND AUDIENCE HEARS WHEN WE HAVE A PARKING PLAN IMPLEMENTED. UH, ARE THERE RESTRICTIONS OR COULD THERE BE RESTRICTIONS TO TIE IT TO A SPECIFIC USER, A SPECIFIC USE RATHER THAN IN PERPETUITY, FOREVERMORE? YEAH, IT'S USUALLY SPECIFIC TO THE PROJECT THAT'S BEING, UH, PROVIDED AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES PROVIDED WITH THAT. THANK YOU. THAT PARTICULAR USE. THANK YOU. AND THEN ONE FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT, UM, PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY. HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION WITHIN THE PARKING AREA TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS SAFE INGRESS EGRESS BETWEEN EVEN THE FUR MO FURTHEST MOST PARKING SPACES AND THE ENTRANCES TO THE BUILDING? SURE. UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO THE, THE MAIN ENTRY WOULD BE A FLUSH ENTRY, UM, IN FROM THE PARKING LOT. SO THAT WOULD BE AN EASY TRANSITION IN. UM, I THINK WITH HAVING THE SHARED ACCESS POINT NOW, UM, IT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFER FOR THE PARKING LOT AS A WHOLE, UM, FOR ANYBODY WALKING IN IT NOW. UM, DID YOU HAVE A, WAS YOUR QUESTION MAYBE MORE SPECIFICALLY, HOW DO PEOPLE GET FROM THEIR CARS? OKAY. UM, I THINK THAT FLUSH ENTRY FOR US, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO HAVE FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE, TO THE SIDEWALK. AND THERE ARE NO CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, PARKING, WHETHER, UM, YOU'RE THE DRIVER, YOU'RE THE PASSENGER, AND WALKING TO AN ENTRANCE POINT. UM, NO, NO CONCERNS. I THINK THE PARKING LOT IS INTENTIONALLY LAID OUT SUCH THAT PASSENGERS CAN BE EASILY DROPPED OFF ON THE PASSENGER SIDE WHEN CIRCULATING AROUND. UM, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT EVERY RESIDENT WILL HAVE A CAR. UM, AND SO WE THINK THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING SPACES, UM, AS SHOWN NOW AND THAT THEY'RE ALL CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE MAIN ENTRY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM MR. CHINOOK? I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION. THIS IS A STICKING POINT. IN YOUR OPINION, BASED ON THIS UNIQUE USE OF THIS FACILITY, HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE'RE TELLING YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS DOES A FACILITY LIKE THIS HAVE TO HAVE? BECAUSE IT IS SO DIFFERENT THAN A TYPICAL FACILITY LIKE THIS. I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR THE OWNER HERE, BUT DANIEL, I'M GONNA COME UP 75 MEETING THAT ONE SPACE PER UNIT, UM, IS WHERE WE'VE LANDED WITH THAT. AND IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YEAH. UH, DAN SHIMAN, TFG HOUSING RESOURCES 6 85 SOUTH FUND STREET IN COLUMBUS. UM, SO WHEN WE WERE COMING UP WITH THE PARKING NUMBER, YOU KNOW, WE MET WITH OUR MARKET STUDY ANALYSTS, WE TALKED WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS IN THE AREA, AND THE FEEDBACK WE GOT WAS A MINIMUM OF ONE-TO-ONE. SO 75 SPACES WE FELT WAS A GOOD MINIMUM SUFFICIENT NUMBER TO, UH, HIT THE MARKETABILITY OF THE, OF THE PROJECT. THANK YOU. ANY FINAL QUESTIONS? MR. ? IS MR. DESLER? YES. JUST ONE I I I WANNA MAKE SURE I WAS LOOKING AT MY QUESTIONS FROM LAST TIME. IS, IS MR. CARMEN HERE? BRAD? OKAY. 'CAUSE IF YOU WANNA STEP UP, THE ONE QUESTION I HAD ASKED, HE SAID THAT, UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE POPULATION OF, UH, THE INDIVIDUALS AND FROM, FROM, IN ADDITION TO THE DISABILITY POPULATION, HE WAS CHECKING HE WAS GONNA LOOK TO A LEGAL OPINION TO SEE ABOUT THIS, UH, WORKING TO GET SENIORS NEIGHBORING THAT DISABILITY POPULATION. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF, IF, IF, IF ANYTHING CAME OF THAT. YEAH, WE ARE, UM, [01:10:01] OF THE OPINION AND OUR ATTORNEYS ARE OF THE OPINION THAT, UM, IT IS DEFINITELY POSSIBLE TO DO A MIXED AGE PROJECT HERE AND, AND HAVE SOME UNITS THAT ARE SET ASIDE FOR SENIORS. OKAY. GREAT. THANKS. ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, AT, AT THIS TIME, BEFORE WE START PUBLIC COMMENT, I DO WANT TO OFFER FROM DUBLIN CITY CODE FOR EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, POCKET PLAZA AND POCKET PARK DEFINITIONS. AND SO POCKET PLAZAS IN OUR CODE ARE DEFINED AS POCKET PLAZAS ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE A FORMAL OPEN SPACE OF RELATIVELY SMALL SCALE TO SERVE AS AN IMPROMPTU GATHERING PLACE FOR CIVIC, SOCIAL AND COMMERCIAL PUR PURPOSES. THE POCKET PLAZA IS DESIGNED AS WELL, UH, OH, EXCUSE ME, AS A WELL-DEFINED AREA OF REFUGE SEPARATE FROM THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK. THESE AREAS CONTAIN A GREATER AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE THAN OTHER OPEN SPACE TYPES. CITY SEATING AREAS ARE REQUIRED AND SPECIAL FEATURES SUCH AS FOUNTAINS AND PUBLIC ART INSTALLATIONS ARE ENCOURAGED. AND THEN IT REFERS TO A TABLE FOR ILLUSTRATION THAT WAS THE SUM OF POCKET PLAZA. POCKET PARK POCKET PARKS ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE SMALL SCALE PRIMARILY, PRIMARILY LANDSCAPED ACTIVE OR PASSIVE RECREATION AND GATHERING SPACES FOR NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. THE DESIGN AND PROGRAMMING OF POCKET PARKS SHOULD RESPOND TO THE NEEDS OF RESIDENTS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY AND THEN REFER TO A TABLE FOR ILLUSTRATION. ALRIGHT, WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE ON TO, UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. HAS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT BEEN SUBMITTED DURING THE COURSE OF THE MEETING? NO. UM, ALL PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED PRIOR TO WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. MS. RA, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS CASE? OKAY. WE INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YEAH, MY NAME IS TODD HEMER. UM, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE DETAIL THAT BRIDGE PARK CODE HAS. I WAS ACTUALLY HERE FOR THE WID KIND OF, UH, INFORMATION. I DID LEARN SOME THINGS. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS IN THE ENVISION DUBLIN, WE HAVE A LOT OF SUSTAINABILITY PLANS. I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THIS BUILDING SUSTAINABILITY PLAN USING WASTEWATER TO WATER THE, THE GARDENS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IS THAT IN THE PLAN OR IS THERE ANY SOLAR PLANS FOR THIS PROJECT ON TOP OF THAT? I'M AN AUTOMOTIVE, SO I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE PARKING SITUATION FOR ELECTRIC CARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I WASN'T SURE IF THAT WAS IN THE PLAN EITHER. UH, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS KIND OF GLEAMING AS I WAS LISTENING TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR MY TIME. THANK YOU. AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC, WE CAN HAVE STAFF FOLLOW UP ON THOSE. BUT ADDITIONALLY WE WILL SEE THIS BACK FOR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND SO THOSE, UM, ANSWERS WOULD COME TO FRUITION THERE AS WELL. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. UM, AND WE WILL ENTER DELIBERATION. UH, AND I'M GONNA START SAME ORDER. MR. CHINOOK. YOU'RE UP. THANK YOU. UH, I THINK IT'S SAID AGAIN. I'LL SAY TO ANOTHER TIME A VERY, VERY NICE PRESENTATION, A VERY HELP HELPFUL DISCUSSION. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING SO AMICABLE WITH ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS. OVERALL, I, AGAIN, I THINK YOU WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION HERE. UM, I THINK WE'VE BROUGHT UP SOME, SOME CONCERNS. UM, THE PARKING IS GONNA BE TOUGH. UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THIS, IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, I UNDERSTAND THAT SURFACE PARKING MAKES SENSE. UM, BUT IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS WANNA SEE MORE GREEN SPACE WHERE WE CAN AND MORE, MORE, UM, OUTDOOR ACTIVE SPACE, UM, WHEN WE CAN IS GREAT. AND, UH, I, I MENTIONED IT EARLIER, I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE, OR A NICE GENERATOR IN THE MIDDLE OF A, A NEAT LITTLE PARK AREA. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BE FANTASTIC. AND THEN I DO, WHEN, WHEN, OH, AND I WAS GONNA ADDRESS THE STREET PARKING TOO. I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE IDEA OF THE STREET PARKING ON BANKER DRIVE. I, I THINK IT'S, I THINK STREET PARKING IS GREAT. I THINK IT FITS WITHIN THE, THE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE AREA. I DO THINK IT HELPS TRAFFIC MITIGATION. I DO THINK IT'S APPEALING TO CERTAIN RESIDENTS THEY WANT IN A MORE URBAN ENVIRONMENT. AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO FORCE LANDSCAPING EVERY OVER LANDSCAPE ALL THE TIME. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE IN SOME SOME CASES. BUT HERE, IT, IT KIND OF ACTIVATES THE STREETS SCAPE A BIT WHEN WE HAVE, UM, HAVE THAT, UM, ON STREETE PARKING. AND I THINK IT HELPS TRAFFIC MITIGATION SLOW PEOPLE DOWN A LITTLE BIT AS WELL. AND THEN LASTLY, FOR THE APPLICANT, I, WE, WE DO NEED TO FIGURE OUT, I HAVE SEVERAL, UH, NITPICKY QUESTIONS ON MATERIALS AND I, I, I REALLY THINK WHEN WE COME BACK, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE ACCURATE DEPICTION OF, OF THE VISION FOR THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE MATERIALS. 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, IN MY OPINION, SOME CONTRADICTORY, UM, UH, I GUESS DESIGNS HERE. [01:15:01] AND I THINK WE NEED SOME CLARITY ON, ON THAT TO, UH, TO, FOR REALLY COMFORT MOVING FORWARD. UM, AND YEAH, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND, UM, SPENDING SO MUCH TIME WITH US GOING THROUGH ALL THE LITTLE DETAILS. I THINK IT'S GONNA MAKE IT A WONDERFUL PROJECT THAT WAY AND, UH, FOR ALL OF US TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD. UM, IT IS A, A BIG DECISION ABOUT THE PARKING BECAUSE WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME OVER IN BRIDGE PARK FIGURING OUT WHERE TO HIDE PARKING AND SO FORTH. AND, AND THIS IS A WHOLE NEW AREA FOR US TOO. AND SO, UM, THAT IS A BIG DECISION, UM, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NOT BE THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, PERSONS WHO OWN THIS PROPERTY FOREVER. AND SO HOW WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS, UH, DOWN THE ROAD MATTER AND SO FORTH TOO. SO JUST, YOU KNOW, MENTIONING THOSE THINGS. AND I DO THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING'S VERY IMPORTANT. WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THAT. UM, BUT ALSO YOU HAVE PLACES THAT IF YOU'RE INSIDE THE BUILDING AND LOOKING OUT THAT LANDSCAPING SHOULD BE JUST AS INTERESTING FOR THEM TOO. OR IF YOU'RE IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT AREA, OR IF YOU'RE OVERLOOKING AND DOWN, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING DOWN THERE? IT SEEMS TO BE, UM, TO ME A REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, PART AND MAYBE THINKING ABOUT, UM, 'CAUSE THERE WERE SOME SUGGESTIONS LAST TIME ABOUT, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE ADDING A WATER FEATURE OR SOMETHING. AND I THINK THAT MAY BE HELPFUL WITH, UM, THE NOISE MITIGATION AS WELL TOO, AS SEEING IF THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY. UM, BUT OVERALL, I FEEL THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT, I, I VERY MUCH LIKE THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT. I WILL AGREE WITH MR. ALEXANDRA ABOUT REALLY THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT SIDES OF IT. AND SO MAYBE, MAYBE THAT MURAL DOESN'T WORK. I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT BEING A SURPRISE, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA BE SEEING IT WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE SEEING IT, IT'S NOT SO MUCH YOU FALL INTO IT. SO I HAVE SOME, SOME DIFFERENT FEELINGS ABOUT THAT. AND THEN MR. WAY BROUGHT UP A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET, GIVE EVERYBODY AS MUCH SPACE GREEN WALKING OUT. AND IF IT IS, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT WHAT IT IS LIKE TO NOT HAVE THAT PARKING THERE. UM, IT DOES TAKE US AWAY FROM THAT LOOK OF, OF, UM, BRIDGE PARK AND SO FORTH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT THAT LINE MIGHT BE HELPFUL THERE TOO. UM, BUT OVERALL, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING FORWARD, SPENDING THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE AND, UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. WAY. THANK YOU. UM, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE, THE LISTENING THAT YOU'VE DONE FROM OUR COMMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING AND THE, THE, THE ALTERATIONS THAT YOU'VE MADE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE, I THINK GREAT PROGRESS. UM, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA BE THE FIRST BUILDING OF ITS TYPE IN THIS AREA, SO WE'RE ALL VERY INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT WE GET IT RIGHT BECAUSE EVERY OTHER ONE IS GONNA LOOK TO THE LAST BUILDING TO SAY, SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. SO, UM, I, I THINK YOUR PROJECT FITS INTO, YOU KNOW, THE DUBLIN PLAN AND, AND, UM, I THINK WORKS VERY WELL. UM, AGAIN, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO MY, TO MY TWO COMMENTS BEFORE, UM, AGAIN, THE ARCHITECT VERSUS THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. UM, I, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, RIDGE PARK, THERE'S, UM, JOHN SHILLS PARKWAY HAS A GREENWAY THAT COMES ALL THE WAY OUT TO, UH, RIVERSIDE DRIVE ON THE, THE SOUTH SIDE. UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN OVER TO THE RIGHT, THERE IS THE, THE IDEA THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF A GREEN CONNECTION ALL THE WAY THROUGH HERE. UM, AN OBSERVATION IS THAT IF YOU PUSH THE SIDEWALK OUT TO WHERE THE PARKING IS, UH, WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT IS THE SAME DIMENSION THAT YOU HAVE OVER ON 1 61 THAT YOU'RE CALLING THE, THE POCKET PLAZA. SO THIS COULD BE ANOTHER, AND I KNOW THAT IN THE LAST PLAN, YOU HAD SOMETHING LISTED AS A GREENWAY, AND WE REACTED, IT'S NOT REALLY A GREENWAY, BUT I THINK IF YOU RECLAIM SOME MORE GREEN SPACE THERE, THAT YOU COULD DECLARE THAT AS A, A POCKET PLAZA SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON 1 61, AND YOU, AND YOU CREATE THAT, THAT NORTH SOUTH GREENWAY THAT COMES THROUGH DUBLIN VILLAGE CENTER. UM, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANS. AND AGAIN, UM, I FEEL LIKE PARK ON STREET PARKING IS OFTEN THOUGHT OF TO SUPPORT GROUND LEVEL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, SHORT-TERM PARKING IN AND OUT. AND THIS EDGE YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL PARKING. AND SO I THINK THIS IS AN EDGE THAT WOULD BE WELL SERVED WITH GREEN SPACE VERSUS PARKING. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER, THE OTHER, UH, I CONCERN NOT CONCERNED, JUST IT'S, THE COMMENT I HAVE IS THAT CORNER IS NOW AN ENCLOSED PLAZA. AND I GUESS I WOULD QUESTION HOW PUBLIC IT IS. I LIKE IT, I JUST DON'T [01:20:01] KNOW IF WE CAN DECLARE THAT IT'S A POCKET PARK OR A PO POCKET PLAZA, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. UM, YOU HAVE AT LABEL POCKET PARK. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THE WAY THAT IT'S ENCLOSED, IT'S NOT GONNA FEEL VERY INVITING FOR THE PUBLIC TO ACCESS, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE SHA YOU KNOW, SHADED OUT OF THE WEATHER, OUTDOOR SEATING, YOU KNOW, SIT THERE AND WATCH THE WORLD GO BY. I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GREAT. I JUST CONCERNED THAT WE, HOW WE COUNTED AS PART OF THE OPEN SPACE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. WAIT, MR. ALEXANDER, I WON'T COMPLIMENT YOU ANYMORE. I THINK THAT YOU'VE HEARD ENOUGH. UM, I, I, I'M FINE WITH THE PARKING BECAUSE IT'S PERMITTED IN THE CODE. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE WE WOULD, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS AS IS WE'RE APPROVING SOMETHING THAT'S A VARIANCE FROM THE CODE, IT IS PERMITTED IN OUR CODE, SO I'M FINE WITH THE PARKING. AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE ABLE TO MEET THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU NEED TO BURY PARKING OR HIDE IT FOR BENEFIT OF MEETING THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. SO I, I'M FINE WITH THAT. UM, I, I'M, I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE ISSUE WITH THE POCKET PARK B, BUT I THINK THE ELEVATION HAS GAINED SO MUCH BETWEEN THIS MEETING AND THE LAST MEETING. SO I THINK THE ROOF OVER IT IS REALLY CRITICAL TO DEFINING THAT PROMINENT CORNER. SO IF YOU DID CHANGE THE WALK A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE ACCESS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT MIGHT GO A LONG WAY TO, TO, UM, RESPOND TO SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS. BUT, BUT I, I WOULD NOT REMOVE THOSE UNITS ABOVE OR GO BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE. I THINK IT'S REALLY MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. UM, I DO WANNA, MR. EMER MADE A VERY GOOD POINT, AND, AND WHENEVER WE HAVE JOINT MEETINGS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, WE HEAR THINGS ABOUT GREEN AND WE HEAR THINGS ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, AND WE EVEN, WE EVEN HEAR THE TERM DUBLIN IS THIS GREEN COMMUNITY. SO, AND, AND IN THE FRONT OF THIS, IT TALKS ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AS BEING A SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY, VERY FRONT. AND SO I I THINKING ABOUT ISSUES OF SUSTAINABILITY AND HOW YOU CAN INCORPORATE, I REALIZE THEY CAN PLACE A PARTICULAR BURDEN ON BUILDINGS, BUT THE BENEFIT CAN BE FAR GREATER. SO I, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO AT LEAST THINK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, WHETHER IT'S VOLTAICS ON THE ROOF OR, UM, SOME WAY OF INCORPORATING. AND I THINK MORE OF OUR PROJECTS REALLY, REALLY SHOULD BE DOING THAT, UM, IF WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE CITY COUNCIL'S MANDATE. SO, UM, JUST A REMINDER TO YOU AND ALL OF US, SO NOW YOU CAN SEE THE ECHO, MR. LER. THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER. MR. DASH, REBECCA, REAL QUICK. SO WE CAN JUST ADDRESS THE, THE PARKING PIECE. DO THE, THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES RECOMMEND, UH, IN THIS AREA A SOME KIND OF STRUCTURED COVERED UNDERGROUND PARKING COMPONENT? FROM MY RECOLLECTION, IT SAYS PRIMARILY. OKAY. BUT IT IS, AS THE APPLICANT POINTED OUT, THE THE PARKING IS A PERMITTED BUT NOT RECOMMENDED. RIGHT. UM, OKAY. COUPLE THINGS ON THE WEST ELEVATION. I THINK I MENTIONED IT. I THINK IT, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING MORE. I, I THINK THE, THE PORCHES THAT WERE THERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO INCORPORATE THE ENTRANCES TO THE OTHER UNITS, BUT I THINK IT COULD, IT COULD, COULD PRESENT A BETTER FRONTAGE ON THAT SIDE. UH, I DO SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS THAT KIM HAS. I, I'M NOT, I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT THE PARKING ON DUBLIN, DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA SLOW PEOPLE DOWN. I GOTTA TELL YOU. UH, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT LOOKING AT IT FROM MORE OF A, LIKE MORE GREEN SPACE THERE. I I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA APPROPRIATELY FIT INTO THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR. BUT I GUESS THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED. UM, THE PARKING PIECE KIND OF IMPACTS A LOT. THIS IS HOW I'M SEEING IT, IS THAT IF YOU, SOMEHOW, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA USE ALL THOSE 70, 75 SPACES AS IS BASED ON, UM, THE, THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU, YOU WANNA ESTABLISH HERE. BUT IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO COMBINE AND REDUCE THE SURFACE PARKING TO CREATE ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE, YOU WILL ALLEVIATE A LOT OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT RELATIVE TO THE GREEN SPACE. AND I THINK HAVING IT WHERE THERE IS SOME KIND OF PRIVATE SPACE FOR SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS, WHETHER IT'S A WALKING GARDEN OR SOME KIND OF WATER FEATURE OR SOMETHING WHERE THEY'RE NOT EXPOSED ONTO 1 61 OR THE CORNER OF, UH, BANKER AND DUBLIN [01:25:01] CENTER DRIVE, IT WOULD CREATE MORE OF A, AT LEAST I THINK A COMMUNITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WHERE YOU'RE NOT BORDERING ON ALL THE POPULATION BEING AROUND IN THAT AREA. BUT THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO ADDRESS, WHICH I BELIEVE IS SOMEWHAT OF A DEFICIENT PARKING SITUATION. THANKS. THANK YOU, MR. DASHER. MR. GARVIN, I ALSO WANNA COMMENT, THIS IS A VAST IMPROVEMENT IN MY OPINION. THE ELEVATIONS IN PARTICULAR, I WOULD ECHO MR. ALEXANDER'S COMMENTS THAT I, MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE USABILITY OF THAT PARK, UM, AREN'T, YOU KNOW, DON'T OUTWEIGH MY PREFERENCE FOR THE NEW DESIGN, UM, AND HAVING THOSE UNITS OVER TOP. UM, BUT MY CONCERN ON THE GREENWAY AND THE OPEN SPACE HAS ALWAYS BEEN USABILITY. I THINK YOU DO STILL HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THE MECHANICS, WITH THE SOUND GENERATION. UM, THOSE POINTS WERE BROUGHT UP BEFORE I HAD A CHANCE TO QUESTION IT. UM, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST TO LOOK AT THE IDEAS TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO MOVE THROUGH IT AND USE IT. UM, AND I WONDER IF THOSE WOULD DISCOURAGE THE USE OF THE LARGEST PARK POCKET PARK THAT WE'VE GOT NOW. UM, AND THEN I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO NOT SEE ANY COMMERCIAL. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE USING THE TERMINOLOGY OF STOREFRONT. IT KIND OF EVEN IMPLIES THAT, THAT THERE IS THAT ACTIVE SPACE THERE. UM, AND THEN LOOKING INTO THE PLANS TO SEE IT'S A COMMUNITY SPACE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WELL USED OR, OR MAYBE IT CAN LOOK DULL FROM THE OUTSIDE OR UNUSED GIVEN, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW IT ACTUALLY, UM, MANIFESTS. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL SUPPORTED BY RESIDENTIAL AND THEN WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY MIXED JUICE HERE, IN MY OPINION, FROM A PURELY, UM, COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE, UM, STANDPOINT. SO, UH, I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THAT FROM AN ACTIVATION STANDPOINT. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I APPRECIATE THE DESIGN, I APPRECIATE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING. UM, LET'S SEE. UH, I DO THINK, I THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE PARKING IN THAT IT'S, IT FEELS TIGHT, WE'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST IT. YOU'D MENTIONED, UM, YOU GOT A RECOMMENDATION. THEY SET A MINIMUM OF ONE PER UNIT, AND WE'RE RIGHT AT THE MINIMUM THERE. I REALIZE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE ADD EXTERIOR SPACES. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE OPEN LOT IS PERMITTED HERE. UM, WHEN WE SAY IN SOME CASES THOUGH, AND, AND THE VERY FIRST PROJECT KIND OF CONTINUES TO HAVE THAT SURFACE PARKING, UM, I DO THINK THAT, THAT WE'LL SEE THAT MORE IN FUTURE PROJECTS AND MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY GET RID OF THAT SEA OF PARKING IN THE AREA THAT, THAT I THINK IS THE GOAL. UM, BUT THOSE ARE MY MAJOR CONCERNS. LIKE I SAID, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT STAND, UH, I MEAN A GREAT STEP FORWARD. UM, I KNOW YOU'RE RELUCTANT TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE COVERED PARKING, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD CHANGE THE FEEL OF THIS IN THAT LAST STEP. THE SAME WAY THAT YOU'VE CHANGED THE FEEL ON THE OUTSIDE. IT WOULD MAKE IT MORE OF AN URBAN WALKABLE, UM, FEEL RATHER THAN YOU LOOK ACROSS FROM SOME ANGLES STILL 75 SPACE PARKING LOT. SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GARVIN. UH, UH, I ECHO A LOT OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I DO APPRECIATE, UH, THE LISTENING AND THE PREPARATION OF THE, THE, UM, REPORT THIS EVENING THAT MADE IT EASY TO STEP THROUGH. WHAT'S CHANGED BETWEEN THE LAST TIME AND THIS TIME SPECIFICALLY, I APPRECIATE THE ACTIVATION ALONG 1 61. THAT WAS CRITICAL TO US BECAUSE THIS IS MIXED USE AND THIS PARTICULAR RESIDENTIAL UNIT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT, BECAUSE THERE IS A, A, A QUASI COMMERCIAL COMPONENT OF THAT RECREATION AREA, WHILE IT'S, IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S NOT THE SAME AS LIKE YOUR APARTMENT BUILDING CONGREGATION AREA. IT, IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A LOOK AND FEEL A DIFFERENCE THERE WHERE, UM, I EXPECT HIGHER UTILIZATION, THEREFORE HIGHER ACTIVATION. UH, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE MASSING ON THE CORNER. THAT WAS A CRITICAL COMPONENT THAT WE CALLED OUT LAST TIME. UH, I DO, UM, LIKE THE, THE ENCLOSURE, THE COVERAGE, UH, I THINK THAT THAT COMPLIMENTS THE AREA. AND IF I LOOK AT THE DEFINITION, WE'VE HAD OTHER APPLICATIONS WHERE THEY'VE MET THE DEFINITION OF POCKET PLAZA, WHERE THEY PUT IN BENCHES, THEY'VE PUT IN PUBLIC ART, AND IT GETS NO USE AT ALL. AND SO, UM, THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW VERSUS LETTER OF THE LAW, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, FLEXIBILITY. YOU'RE NOT VIOLATING THE, THE CODE AS, AS I SEE IT. AND SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS. AND THOSE ARE, UM, PRIMARILY IN PARKING AND IN THE OPEN SPACE, SPECIFICALLY POCKET PARK. A POCKET PARK A TODAY [01:30:01] IS NOT BEAUTIFUL. IT'S NOT QUITE A TERMINAL. VISTA VISTA AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN DUBLIN CENTER. BUT IF I COUNTED RIGHT, THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE LARGE MECHANICAL, UM, ELEMENTS THAT ARE THERE. AND JUST BECAUSE WE PUT ALL THE UGLY IN THE CORNER DOESN'T MEAN WE NEED TO INVITE ITS FRIENDS. AND SO PUTTING A GENERATOR BY NATURE, THEY'RE NOT PRETTY, UM, THERE TO ADD ANOTHER VERY LARGE MASS THAT THEN TAKES AWAY THE USABILITY OF A POCKET PARK. TO ME, THAT ONE, I, I WOULD NOT QUALIFY THAT IF WE'RE PUTTING ANOTHER MAJOR MECHANICAL UNIT IN THERE AS USABLE PARK SPACE, BECAUSE WE DON'T LET OUR KIDS PLAY ON MECHANICAL UNITS. THERE'S NO WAY I'D LET MY CHILD CLIMB ON TOP OF A GENERATOR. AND SO I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU TO LOOK FOR DIFFERENT ALIGNMENT FOR THAT GENERATOR THAT'S CLOSER TO THE BUILDING THAT TREATS IT LIKE A MECHANICAL COMPONENT RATHER THAN PUTTING IT IN AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY LIKE A PARK. UH, AND THEN LASTLY ON THE PARKING, I HAVE TWO COMPONENTS ON THIS. UH, I APPRECIATE THE ACQUISITION OF THE SLIVER THAT MADE PARKING KIND OF WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND ALLOWED YOU TO GET TO THE 75 SPACES. UH, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF A A PARKING PLAN SO LONG AS IT'S TIED TO THE USER AND THE USE, THAT'S WHAT WE DO THEM FOR. HOWEVER, UH, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH THE FIFTH THIRD BANK, EVEN IF IT'S A, A SHORT TERM UNTIL THE EVALUATION OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE USED LONG TERM TO SEE IF THE AT LEAST 75 COMES TO FRUITION OR IF IT'S OVER PARKED. UM, I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE YOU FLEXIBILITY. AND AS WE KNOW ANYONE WHO'S DRIVEN BY THAT BANK ANYTIME IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THEY'RE NOT FULL. AND SO, UH, THE OTHER COMPONENT WITH THAT WOULD ALSO ALLOW FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CREATIVITY. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY THROUGH THE PARKING LOT. AND I THINK YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY, AND IT'S VERY WELL ILLUSTRATED ON THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING. UH, I THINK YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A SAFER WALKWAY. YOU HAVE A NATURAL BELT THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT. SO WIDENING THAT AND LOSING A SPACE ON EITHER SIDE AND ALLOWING FOR A PARKING STRIPED TO NOTIFY CARS FOR, UM, FOR SPEED REASONS AND PROTECTIVE REASONS THAT WOULD ALLOW THE TRANSVERSE OF THE PARKING, UH, LOT FROM THE FURTHEST SPACES TO THE BUILDING FOR A SAFER PASSAGE. SO THOSE ARE MY RECOMMENDATIONS. I AGAIN APPRECIATE THAT, THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK AND IT'S DEMONSTRATED THROUGHOUT THIS, THIS NEW SUBMISSION. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU NE NEXT TIME. ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE MOVE ON FOR MOTIONS? OKAY. ARE WE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH HOW THE, HOW IT'S ALL PHRASED ON THESE? YOU WANNA MAKE SURE? WELL, I JUST, I MEAN, WE REALLY DIDN'T ADDRESS IT. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, I THINK, I MEAN, I WAS GOING THROUGH IT. I, IT FEELS AS IF WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, BUT I, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE WE'VE ALL HAD DIFFERENT COMMENTS ON EVERYTHING. YEAH. FOR ME, MY ITEMS, I BELIEVE CAN BE COVERED AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. ANYONE THINK THAT THEIR ITEMS CANNOT BE? AND THEN FROM THE APPLICANT, YOU HEARD, I DON'T THINK YOU HEARD ANY DIVISION FROM THE COMMISSION. THERE WERE SOME OF US WHO HAD, UH, THINGS THAT WE WERE MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT THAN OTHERS. THE ONLY CONSIDERATION I THINK WAS THE, UM, CONCERN ABOUT THE POCKET PARK ON THE CORNER POCKET PARK B VERSUS SOME OF US SAID WE APPRECIATED B. SO IF IT'S HELPFUL, WE CAN DO KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A STRAW POLL TO SEE WHERE WE SPLIT TO HELP YOU WITH DIRECTION FOR NEXT TIME. I'M GETTING A NOD FROM THE APPLICANT. SO STRAW POLL ON THE POCKET PLAZA, IF THERE IS DESIRE ON THE RECORD NOT TO ADD TO THE MOTION FOR DIRECTIONS FOR THEM TO LOOK AT EITHER ADJUSTING OR KEEPING THAT, THAT CORNER COULD, THAT IS ACTUALLY A POCKET PARK. POCKET PARK. YES. I THOUGHT I SAW IT. PARK YOU SAID PLAZA. OH, I APOLOGIZE. POCKET PARK BEACH. AND, AND IS THE QUESTION WHETHER ACCEPTING IT AS AN OPEN SPACE, UM, IT'S WHETHER THE COMMISSION IS PROVIDING FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT AT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT DIFFERENTLY OR TO KEEP IT AS IT'S YES. SO LOOKING FOR IF YOU WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THAT CORNER DIFFERENTLY IN SUBSTANCE, THAT'S NOT LIKE INGRESS EGRESS OF THEY WANNA ALIGN THE, THE SIDEWALKS DIFFERENTLY. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. THE NATURE OF IT BEING COVERED WITH THE COLUMNS THAT KIND OF MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN ENCLOSED AREA. [01:35:01] I'M GOOD WITH THAT. YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT. IT WAS JUST THE GR BEHIND THAT LOOKED LIKE IT'S THE, IT'S THE DESIGNATION OF IT AS OPEN SPACE. OH, IS IT PUBLIC OR PRIVATE? THAT'S I, I WAS ASKING FOR, IS THE, DOES THERE NEED TO BE CLARIFICATION ON THAT? BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S NOW, IT FEELS LIKE A PRIVATE SPACE AND WE SHOULDN'T COUNT IT AS PUBLIC OPEN SPACE. THAT'S, THAT WAS MY CONCERN. OKAY. UM, I'LL LOOK TO THE COMMISSION BECAUSE THAT DOES CHANGE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS TO ME. UH, IN FACT, I'LL GO LAST. I WANNA, I WANNA GET OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINION 'CAUSE I KNOW WHERE MY HEAD IS COUNT OR NOT COUNT THE WAY THAT IT IS. I, I, I THINK I, I THINK IT'S GREAT AS IT IS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO, I MEAN, I THINK ACCESSIBILITY TO IT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IN PRINCIPLE I THINK IT WORKS. AND I WOULD NOT HIGHLY RECOMMEND NOT CHANGING THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S NICE HOW IT IS. I AGREE. I'M NOT HEARING, NO, I'M NOT HEARING THE, HE SAID HE LIKED THE ARCHITECTURE. DOES IT COUNT AS OPEN SPACE OR NO? ? YEAH. I, I THINK WE CAN COUNT IT. I THINK IT'S, I MEAN IF IT'S PUBLIC, IF THE PUBLIC CAN USE IT, I THINK WE CAN COUNT IT. MS. HARD. I AGREE. I SAY NO, I AGREE. I LIKE THE WAY THE PARK IS, BUT IT FEELS PRIVATE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHERE THAT GOES TO IT. IT'S, IT'S SUBJECTIVE. WELL, I ALREADY, I ALREADY SAID, I ALREADY SAID THAT I THINK THE GREEN SPACE AREA IS DEFICIENT, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE BEYOND THAT. SO ARCHITECTURALLY, IT'S, IT'S VERY HEAVILY SEPARATED. THERE COULD BE A D THERE COULD BE OTHER ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS TO MAKE IT FEEL MORE OPEN. THAT, AND I'M ASKING THE ARCHITECTS TO CHIME IN ON THAT. THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL BETTER. RIGHT NOW IT FEELS VERY SOLID MATERIALS AROUND IT. WELL, IT'S BOTH POCKET PARK. WHEN YOU READ THOSE DEFINITIONS, POCKET PARK HAS LANDSCAPE, POCKET PLAZA DOES NOT. SO IT'S BOTH PARK AND PLAZA AND THE DIVISION IS THE OVER. IF THEY WERE TO CHANGE THE LABEL ON THE DRAWINGS, WOULD WE FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE? NO. I, I, I WOULD GIVE HIM A WAIVER IF WE NEEDED TO, TO MAKE IT WORK. MR. MR. BOGGS. ALRIGHT. AND JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER WE IS IS TRYING TO DRIVE AT. UM, AND YOUR CODE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE CONSIDERATION OF SUITABILITY OF OPEN SPACE, HOWEVER LABELED. UM, JUST SORT OF THAT THRESHOLD QUESTION OF WHETHER SOMETHING IS SUITABLE TO COUNT AS OPEN SPACE OR NOT. AND THE, THE RELEVANT FACTORS ARE THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, INCLUDING THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT AREA PLAN AND PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN, SUITABILITY OF THE OPEN SPACE FOR ACTIVE OR PASSIVE RECREATIONAL USE OR PRESERVATION OF NATURAL FEATURES. THE NEED FOR SPECIFIC TYPES OF O OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, AND PARTICULARLY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE ANTICIPATED USERS OF THE OPEN SPACE AND NEARBY LAND USES. AND FINALLY, THE PROXIMITY OR POTENTIAL CONNECTIVITY TO OTHER OPEN SPACE TYPES. SO AS YOU CONSIDER WHETHER THIS CORNER AREA SHOULD COUNT AS OPEN SPACE OR IF IT'S A PRIVATE AMENITY, THOSE ARE THE FACTORS AT LEAST THAT THE CODE LAYS OUT FOR, UH, YOUR CONSIDERATION. BUT IS IT, IS, I, I'M GONNA SIMPLIFY IT DOWN FOR MYSELF. SO IF THE, IF THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THE PUBLIC CAN USE THIS SPACE, THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE WALKWAYS TO THIS, AND THEN MAYBE ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO USE THE SPACE. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER HOW MUCH THEY SCREEN IT OR NOT SCREEN IT. IF IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED PUBLIC SPACE, RIGHT? THE, THE CONNECTIVITY AND ITS, YOU KNOW, SUITABILITY FOR ACTIVE OR PASSIVE RECREATIONAL USE. I THINK THAT THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED WHERE YOU HAVE PATHS GOING FROM PUBLIC SIDEWALK TO THIS PLACE, UM, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTS THAT IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND WOULD BE OPEN SPACE. AND IN SPITE OF HOW THEY SCREEN IT OR WHATNOT, IS IF, OKAY, AND I, I WOULD JUST CALL OUT, IF WE WALK THROUGH BRIDGE STREET, WE COUNT POCKET PLAZAS AT THE ENTRANCES OF RESTAURANTS. AND GUESS MY CONSIDERING LIKE VALENTINA'S THE AREA, THAT'S THE ONE I WAS THINKING OF. THAT'S VERY, VERY OPEN. MY CLARIFICATION IS IF IT DOESN'T FEEL OPEN OR IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ABOUT, IF IT FEELS OPEN OR DOESN'T FEEL OPEN, IT'S THE PUBLIC CAN USE IT OR NOT. IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A LOOK AND FEEL. IT'S A ALLOWANCE. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE, THAT'S GETTING GRAY, I THINK HERE SAYING, WELL, IT DOESN'T FEEL OPEN, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CODE. SO IN, IN THE FIRST APPLICATION WHEN IT WAS NOT COVERED, IT FELT VERY OPEN AND VERY MUCH LIKE A POCKET PLAZA. [01:40:01] NOW IT FEELS VERY MUCH LIKE A VESTIBULE. I I, MY POINT IS THAT DOESN'T MATTER HOW IT FEELS. IF IF THEY'RE SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE CONNECTED, IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, THEN IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED PUBLIC SPACE. SO, SO THAT'S SAYING THAT ANY, ANY FOYER TO ANY BUILDING PEOPLE CAN START DESIGNATED THAT AS OPEN SPACE? I, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT HERE THAT I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT. I, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY NO, BUT I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THAN A 12 BY 12 PATIO WITH A COUPLE OF BENCHES AND A PIECE OF ART THAT NEVER GETS USED. AND SO FOR ME, THIS IS A GOOD AMENITY AND THE CODE SAYS IT'S REALLY FOR USE FOR THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT'S THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD? THIS BUILDING, THE LOWS, THE GOODWILL, THEY'RE GONNA WALK OVER AND SAY, HEY, I'M GONNA GO HAVE MY LUNCH IN THE, NOW WE DO HAVE BUS RAPID TRANSIT, WE DO HAVE THAT. THEY COULD COME IN, THEY COULD SIT DOWN OUT OF THE, THE SUN. I THINK IT ACCOMPLISHES THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR POCKET PLAZAS AND POCKET PARKS. AND I THINK MORE SO THAN THE ENTRANCE TO VALENTINA'S STUFF, I THINK THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE THAT WE'VE NOW THAT WE WOULD APPROVE AS PUBLIC OPEN SPACE BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF, OF VISUAL BARRIERS THAT YOU HAVE TO SEE INTO IT AND TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE INVITED INTO IT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A FOYER TO THAT BUILDING OR EVEN A LOBBY. AND I WOULDN'T, I WOULD THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE, OH, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ALLOWED TO GO UP THERE. SO I DO WANNA POSE TO THE COMMISSION, THE, THE APPLICANT WAS CHALLENGED LAST TIME TO CREATE MORE MASSING ON THE CORNER. THEY'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT BY DOING THIS. SO DO WE WANNA GO BACK ON OUR REQUEST TO I ACCESSING TO THE CORNER? NO, IT'S, I APPRECIATE THE NEW ARCHITECTURE AND THE MORE KIM'S MENTIONING, I MEAN, I, I DO THINK THAT IT, IT WON'T BE SOMETHING THAT ATTRACTS THE PUBLIC. UM, I THINK GENERALLY MY BROADER CONCERNS ABOUT USABILITY OVERLAP THIS, I WOULD SAY PROVIDE THE LETTER OF THE CODE. IT SOUNDS LIKE AN OPEN SPACE, BUT PRACTICALLY I AGREE WITH KIM. SO DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION TONIGHT, IF THE APPLICANT COMES BACK, DOES THE COMMISSION WANT THEM TO SHOW THAT AS OPEN SPACE OR NOT? MY DIRECTION WOULD BE IMPROVE THE OTHER OPEN SPACE TO MAKE IT MORE USABLE AND THEN YOU'LL BE LESS RELIANT ON THAT BEING AN OPEN SPACE. SO IF THEY WERE TO PUT UNITS ON THAT CORNER, WHICH ACCOMPLISHES THE MASSING REQUEST FROM LAST TIME AND THEY SHIFTED MORE OPEN SPACE IN THE CORNER WITH THE MECHANICALS. IS THAT WHAT THE COMMISSION IS? AGAIN, WE'RE NOT HOLDING YOU TO ANYTHING, BUT IS THAT WHERE THE COMMISSION'S HEAD IS? THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY IMPRESSION OF THE PLAN UNTIL KIM HAD POINTED OUT THAT, THAT THOSE COLUMNS WERE PART OF A MURAL AND NOT ACTUALLY MORE GLAZING. THEY'RE NOT. SO I THINK THE INNER COLUMNS ARE THE MURAL, THE OUTER COLUMNS WERE, AND THE STRUCTURE, THE MURAL IS ON THE WALL BEHIND THE COLUMNS. THE MURAL IS SET BACK BEHIND. I SHOULD, CAN WE, CAN WE GET THAT ELEVATION? CAN WE BRING UP THE, THE MURAL IS SET BACK ON A, A WALL BEHIND THE COLUMNS ARE IN FRONT AND IT'S OPEN AIR THROUGH THE COLUMNS. OKAY, SO THOSE GRAY COLUMNS EXIST. THERE'S OPEN AIR AND THEN THE MURAL IS BEHIND IT. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES. OKAY. UH, YEAH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT COULD JUST AS EASILY HAVE WINDOWS OVER IT AND BE A LOBBY. I'D PREFER THE USABLE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS TO BE OUTSIDE OF THAT. OKAY. THAT'D BE MY DIRECTION. SO I HAVE ONE, I HAVE TWO. YEAH, I AGREE. THREE I NEED AND YOU SAID YES. UM, REQUIRE ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE. SO NOT LOOKING AT THIS AS MEETING THE OPEN SPACE. I'M TALKING JAMIE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK HE KNOWS. SO, UM, LET ME ASK ONE MORE TIME FROM THE COMMISSION. THE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION IS THE WAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR CORNER IS, THE AREA WITHIN THE OVERHANG IS NOT PERCEIVED AS OPEN SPACE. AND SO THEREFORE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES BACK THE APPLICATION TO MEET THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE OVERHANG AREA ON THE CORNER OF 1 61 AND DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE. I SEE ONE, I HEARD TWO, I SEE THREE. I SEE FOUR. [01:45:01] SO LET ME ASK THE PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WAY, IF THEY SIMPLY HAD A WALK THAT WAS WIDER, THAT WENT STRAIGHT OUT TO THE CORNER, WOULD THAT CHANGE YOUR PERCEPTION? I WOULD, REBECCA'S BEEN USING THE WORD OVERHANG. THIS IS NOT AN OVERHANG. THIS IS AN ENCLO TOTALLY ENCLOSED SPACE THAT JUST HAPPENS TO NOT HAVE, WELL THERE'S, UH, GLAZING ON THE OPENINGS. THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS, RIGHT? THERE'S THE FLOOR OF THE UNITS AHEAD AND THERE'S THE OVERHANG. SO THERE THEY'RE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO ONE ANOTHER. THOSE TWO IMAGES ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE IS AN OPEN PLAZA ON THE CORNER. OKAY. THE OTHER IS AN ENCLOSED SPACE THAT'S RELATED TO THE BUILDING, IN MY OPINION. AND I, I DON'T, I CAN'T, I CAN'T VALIDATE CAUSING OR SAYING THAT THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS OPEN SPACE. THAT TO ME IS A BU A A CLOSED BUILDING SPACE. AND, AND, AND RELATED TO THE BUILDING, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US BEFORE WE SAID BUILD IT OUT. YEP. IT LOOKS LIKE IT NEEDS MORE AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT LOOKS GREAT. IT'S FABULOUS. IT JUST CAN'T BE A, BUT IT DOESN'T COUNT AS A CLOSE SPACE. SPACE. RIGHT. OKAY. IF I MAY JUST INTERJECT, BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS INTERNALLY AND WE MM-HMM . WE'VE WORKED WITH DAN, PHIL OBAMA, OUR CON, UH, CONSULTANT WHO'S HELPED DRAFT THE, UH, CODE AND THE INTENT OF THE CODE AND THE INTENT OF THE OPEN SPACE IS VERY DIFFERENT IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT FROM, UH, ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY. IN THAT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPACES THAT ARE TENDED TO FACILITATE GATHERINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND I THINK BASED ON THE ANALYSIS, AT LEAST AT THE STAFF LEVEL, UH, INCLUDING DAN, WE FELT THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE UNIQUE SPACES THAT FIT INTO THE URBAN CONTEXT. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE THAT WITH THIS BUILDING BEING THE FIRST IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, BUT, UH, THE VARIETY, AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE CHALLENGES THEY HAVE WITH HOW MUCH WE KEEP SHRINKING THAT SITE WITH, UH, RIGHT OF WAY TAKES AND OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT SEEM TO OFFER AN OPPORTUNITY WITH SOME SHADE AND SOME COVER AT A BUSY INTERSECTION THAT WAS STILL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND THEY HAVE THE COMMUNITY SPACE THERE THAT IT ALLOWS FOR THAT INDOOR OUTDOOR. AND SO IF THIS WAS A RESTAURANT AND YOU HAD SOME SEATING FOR THE INDOOR OUTDOOR, IF IT'S RESTAURANT CITY, IT'S NOT PUBLIC. BUT IF IT IS A PUBLIC SPACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GATHERING, WAITING TO GO INTO A RESTAURANT, MUCH LIKE MANY OF THE, UH, SPACES WITHIN BRIDGE PARK THAT, UM, DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL LIKE A WIDE OPEN SPACE, BUT THEY ARE INTENDED FOR THOSE URBAN PURPOSES AND SOME SMALLER RESPITES, I WOULD SUGGEST ONE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THOSE NATURALLY ARE DRAWING PEOPLE INTO THOSE SPACES. WHEREAS I THINK WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THE PUBLIC WOULD FEEL THAT, THAT THIS WAS AN OPEN SPACE. I MEAN THIS IS, BUT TO YOUR POINT, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, SPACE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING FROM BY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING THERE FOR THE ACTIVITY THAT'S HAPPENING INSIDE OF IT. THESE ARE MOSTLY PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE VISITING MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, OR THE TENANTS OR WAITING FOR THE BUS MAYBE ON A COLD WINTER DAY. YES. . OR A HOT SUMMER DAY OR A HOT SUMMER DAY. . ALRIGHT. SO ANY CHANGES OF HEAD NODS? BECAUSE I HEARD FOUR FOR CUSHION. I COULD HEAR A FIFTH IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO OFFER IT UP THAT THE, THE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION IS WHEN WE SEE THIS AGAIN, TO MEET THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT WITHOUT COUNTING THE CORNER ENCLOSED IN THE, AND I'M TRYING TO CHANGE MY WORDING. UM, ENCLOSED UNDER THE MASS OF THE BUILDING. ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, ANY FINAL, I'M HESITANT TO EVEN ASK, BUT DO, DO WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING ON THE, UM, THIS IS FOR THE SECOND MOTION ON THE, ANYTHING ABOUT THE MECHA, THE MECHANICAL PIECE THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ON THAT ONE PORTION? UH, YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL GET TO THAT ON MOTION TOO, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE OPEN SPACE AND THE MECHANICAL ONE. SO WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO THE APPROVAL OF THE TWO WAIVERS. SO MOVED. THANK YOU MR. WAYNE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. MR. GARVIN. MS. MAXWELL. MR. DESLER? YES. MR. WE? YES. MR. GARVIN? YES. MS. HARDER? YES. MS. CALL? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. CHINOOK? NO. THANK YOU MS. MAXWELL. NOW FOR THE SECOND ONE, UH, THERE IS A REQUEST FROM THE COMMISSION. [01:50:01] RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SEVEN ITEMS. UH, I HAVE THREE THAT WE COULD CONSIDER AS ADDING FOR THE CONDITIONS. I HAVE THE MECHANICALS, I HAVE THE OPEN SPACE, AND I HAVE THE MOBILITY THROUGH THE PARKING LOT. SO I'LL TAKE THESE IN TURN FROM THE COMMISSION LOOKING FOR HEAD NOS ON, UH, IF THERE IS A REQUEST TO WORK WITH A RELOCATION OF THE GENERATOR OUTSIDE OF THE MASSIVE MECHANICALS ON DUBLIN CENTER AND BANKER DRIVE. IS THERE? UH, YES. MR. ALEXANDER? DOES NUMBER TWO COVER THE OPEN SPACE QUESTION? UH, UH, I WOULD SAY YES WITH UN THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MINUTES OF TONIGHT ARE IN THE RECORD. OKAY. JUST, JUST TRYING TO BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO LOOKING FOR HEAD NODS ON MECHANICAL, IT SOUNDED LIKE I HAD A MAJORITY, UM, A QUORUM OF, OF PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO RELOCATE THAT GENERATOR. OKAY. I'M SEEING AT LEAST FOUR. SO IF WE CAN ADD A CONDITION TO RELOCATE THE, THE GENERATOR OUTSIDE OF THE POCKET PARK. A AND THEN WE COVER THE OPEN SPACE ONE. SO THE OTHER ONE IS MOBILITY THROUGH THE PARKING LOT. AND THIS IS, UH, TO INVESTIGATE, UM, PEDESTRIAN TRANSPORTATION THROUGH THE PARKING LOT. IT'S NOT A HARD HAY YOU MUST HAVE, BUT IT WOULD REALLY BE NICE. SO I WON'T DIE ON THIS PARTICULAR HILL. BUT GIVEN THE USE AND THE NECESSITY FOR A PARKING PLAN, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD INSTANCE TO USE THAT. I MEAN, SIX TALKS ABOUT PARKING. DO YOU WANNA UPDATE THAT? UH, I I STILL THINK WE NEED TO NOW, REGARDLESS, WE NEED TO HAVE A PARKING PLAN BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET THE, THE REQUIREMENTS. IS THAT A CORRECT ASSESSMENT? I, I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. THEN I'M OKAY IF WE WANNA CONTINUE THAT AGAIN. SO LONG AS THE NOTES, ACTUALLY I NEED A HEAD NOD ANYWAY BECAUSE I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID THAT. SO I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO, OBVIOUSLY I'D MENTIONED THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE UNDERGROUND. I KNOW THERE HAS TO BE SOME SURFACE PARKING. UH, AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OBVIOUSLY HAVING THAT BE SAFE AND MOBILE FOR INDIVIDUALS. SO I CAN, I CAN BUY IN TO THAT. COULD YOU CLARIFY YOUR POINT ABOUT ACCESS THROUGH THE PARKING? I'M NOT SURE WE DISCUSSED THAT. UH, THE BELT. SO PEDESTRIANS GETTING FROM THE FURTHEST PARKING SPACES TO THE BUILDING AND I THINK THEY HAVE A NATURAL WAY IN THE BELT. NOT THAT THAT I'M DICTATING THAT, BUT JUST SOME TYPE OF, UM, MOBILITY THROUGH THE PARKING LOT. I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND YOUR SAFER ANDRESS RESS. YOU JUST, YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A DESIGN PAVEMENT AND DESIGNATION, PAVE MAYBE PAVEMENT DESIGNATION OR A WHITENING OF THOSE TWO CENTER ISLANDS TO ALLOW SOME TYPE OF, UH, TRANSPORTATION THROUGH THAT BUILT AREA. THAT'S ALL. AND IT, UH, OKAY, I GOT FOUR AND OKAY. AND THE OTHER ONE WAS I THINK NUMBER FIVE, ADDRESS THE ON STREET PARKING AND YEAH. THAT ISSUE. SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD. YEAH, THAT ONE I FIGURED WAS COVERED. OKAY, SO WITH THE, THE RECORD OF TONIGHT AND WITH THE REFERENCES THAT ARE ALREADY HAD IN THE, WHAT ARE THERE SEVEN CONDITIONS? ARE THERE ANY MS. HARDER? UH, WOULD, UH, THE, THE ROOF COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE JUST FOR THEM TO LOOK INTO WHAT KIND OF, UM, MATERIALS THEY WOULD USE ON THE ROOF THAT COULD BE, IS THAT SOMETHING NUMBER SEVEN TALKS ABOUT BUILDING DESIGNS SO THEY COULD, THAT COULD BE COVERED UNDER THAT AGAIN, REFERENCING TONIGHT, IF THAT'S SATISFACTORY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY FINAL COMMENTS? OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH SEVEN CONDITIONS OF THE AMENDED PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU. MR WAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. MR. ALEXANDER. MS. MAXWELL. MR. GARVIN? YES. MR. CHINOOK? YES. MS. CALL? YES. MR. WE YES. MR. DESLER? YES. MS. HARDER? YES. AND MR. ALEXANDER? YES. THANK YOU MS. MAXWELL, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU NEXT TIME. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE REACH OUT TO STAFF AND OF COURSE THE MEETING MINUTES WILL BE POSTED AND YOU CAN WATCH THE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WANT TO FALL ASLEEP TOO, UH, YOU WANT TO RE-WATCH THE MEETING AND THAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON. [Special Area Plan Tour Recap] WE HAVE OUR, UH, DISCUSSION. WE HAVE OUR SPECIAL AREA [01:55:01] PLAN, TOUR RECAP. SO THANK YOU TO EVERYONE. THESE ARE ALWAYS NICE TO GET OUT OF OUR CHAIRS AND WALK AROUND AND SEE OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE WELL AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE ON. SO I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO STAFF TO INTRODUCE THIS AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. THANK YOU AGAIN. UM, I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS, UH, BRIEF. JUST HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE, UH, DISCUSSED DURING THE PLAN AND, UH, UH, GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, WE, WE POST SOME DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR YOU TO, UH, RESPOND TO. UH, BUT JUST AS A REMINDER AND, AND MAYBE FOR, FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT THERE. AND WE STARTED AT CITY HALL, AND THIS MAP SHOWS THE DIFFERENT, UH, SPECIAL AREA PLANS WITHIN THE CITY. SO THE FIRST ONE THAT WE VISITED WAS THE, UH, UM, CORPORATE AREA PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES METRO CENTER AND THE BLAZER PARKWAY AREA. SO WE STOPPED AT METRO CENTER AT THE OLD MAX AND IRMA SITE. AND, UM, THIS MATCH SHOWS GENERALLY THE, THE OVERALL CORPORATE AREA PLAN. SO THE FIRST STOP WAS, UH, AGAIN, METRO CENTER. AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UH, UH, UH, REVITALIZATION PLAN THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UM, ADOPTED EARLIER, UH, I THINK IT WAS IN THE EARLY PART OF THIS YEAR OR LATE LAST YEAR, THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK ON TO REIMAGINE THAT AS A MIXED USE DISTRICT, INJECT LIFE INTO IT. UH, USE THE WATER AS AN AMENITY VERSUS JUST FOR STORM WATER AND PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY AND, UH, UM, BENEFITS TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, ALSO ENHANCE THE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION OPPORTUNITIES, UH, INCLUDING A POTENTIAL FUTURE BRIDGE OVER TWO 70 TO CONNECT TO THE, UM, WEST SIDE OF THE STREET. UM, ONCE WE DID THAT, WE DROVE THROUGH THE BLAZER DISTRICT JUST SOUTH OF METRO CENTER AND HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE, AGAIN, THE, UM, INJECTION OF ADDITIONAL USES INTO THAT, BUT ESPECIALLY ALSO THE CONNECTIVITY TO METRO CENTER SO THAT, UH, AGAIN, IT OFFERS A DIFFERENT WAY OF GETTING THERE WITHOUT EVERYBODY BEING ON FRANCE ROAD. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ALSO, UH, UH, COORDINATE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AT METRO CENTER AND POTENTIALLY A DIFFERENT SCALE AND, AND, UH, CHARACTER. AND AFTER THAT, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UH, EMERALD CORRIDOR AREA. AND THIS IS, UH, A VERY LONG CORRIDOR, BUT THE INTENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UH, THAT THIS WILL BE THE EMPLOYMENT CO, UH, SPINE OF THE CITY WITH VISIBILITY ALONG TWO 70, BUT THEN HAVING ALSO CONNECTIVITY TO OTHER USES AND SOME, UH, CERTAIN AREAS WHERE, UH, THE MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT COULD BE CONDUCIVE TO, UH, TO THE CORRIDOR. UH, SO WE STOPPED FOR A LITTLE BIT ON PARKWOOD, WHICH IS, UH, THE LOOP ROAD JUST EAST OF ENBREL PARKWAY, UH, OFF OF WARNER TEMPLE. AND TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE POTENTIAL TRANSITION FROM THE OFFICE BUILDINGS ALONG TO 70 TO MORE OF A MIXED USE, MAYBE SMALLER SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, MAYBE SOME RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UH, USES AT THAT LOCATION. THEN WE DROVE IN SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN. AT THIS POINT, IT WAS HARD TO FIND A GOOD STOP AND THERE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THOSE SLOTS BEING VERY DEEP, UH, THIS AREA IS ENVISIONED FOR FUTURE, UH, RESIDENTIAL OF MIX, UH, DIFFERENT DENSITIES AND, AND INTENSITIES. AND WITH IS HIGHLIGHTED BY THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF TUNNEL CROSSING BOULEVARD. AND, UH, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE ALSO ALONG WITH THE ROADWAY EXTENSION WOULD COME, UTILITIES AND, AND SO FORTH. SO THAT AREA WILL BE, UH, GRADUALLY, UH, DEVELOPING IN THE FUTURE. THE NEXT STOP WAS THE US INNOVATION DISTRICT. AND, UH, THAT ONE IS ANOTHER AREA WHERE, UH, IT, IT'S ANOTHER EMPLOYMENT, UM, UH, AREA FOR THE CITY FOCUSING ON HIGH TECH AND COOPERATION WITH SOME OF THE UNIVERSITIES AND, UH, OTHER EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES AND RESEARCH AND, AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES IN THAT AREA. UH, BUT IT IS ALSO A PRE, UH, VARIED AREA WITH, UM, A MIX OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHARACTER, UM, UH, USES IN IN BETWEEN. SO I BELIEVE THERE WAS A QUESTION DURING THE TOUR ABOUT THE ZONING AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF, UH, COS GRAY ROAD AND, UM, UH, SHY RINGS ROAD. AND IT'S A MIXTURE OF ID TWO, WHICH IS THE DARKER PURPLE HERE. ID FOUR AT THE CORNER, AND [02:00:01] ID FIVE WHERE, UH, SPORTS OHIO IS LOCATED. UH, WE CAN GO INTO WHAT THOSE MEAN, BUT I, I BELIEVE, UH, IT WAS MORE OF A CLARIFICATION OF WHICH DISTRICT IS WHICH. SO, UH, WE TALKED VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT THE, UH, UH, PLANNING FOR A POTENTIAL, UM, PASSENGER RAIL STATION AT THE, UH, NORTHWEST CORNER OF THAT, UH, WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT AND THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR A MIXED USE NODE AT THAT LOCATION. ALSO SUPPLEMENTING SOME OF THE OTHER MORE INDUSTRIAL USES AND TALKED ABOUT THE SPORT, UH, THE, UH, OHIO, UH, UNIVERSITY CAMPUS BEING ANOTHER, UH, LOCATION FOR A, A POTENTIAL MIX OF USES FOCUSING ON EDUCATION, RESEARCH AND OTHER FACILITIES AND HOW THAT IMPACTS THE, UH, UH, SITES AROUND IT. UH, NEGLECTED TO MENTION THE STAFF AT SPORTS OHIO AND THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FUTURE, UH, PREMIER, ATHLETIC, UH, UH, FACILITY THERE AS WELL. SO WITH THAT, I'LL, UH, I'LL STOP THERE. UH, WE POSE A FEW DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT, UH, BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL DO THIS KIND OF INFORMALLY FOR THE COMMISSION, SO IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT, JUST LET ME KNOW AND WE'LL TRY TO KEEP SOME SEMBLANCE OF COORDINATION. BUT MR. GARDNER, I'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN DARI AND SPORTS OHIO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT BEING ONE FACILITY, BUT ALSO TALKING ABOUT BUILDING OUT COS GRAY IS WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? I'M, I'M VERY CURIOUS FROM THAT. MS. HARDER JUST TO ADD ON THAT NOTE TOO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S SPORTS OHIO AND THEY WANT THIS, UH, LARGE ATHLETIC FACILITY, WHICH SOUNDS VERY EXCITING AND UH, YOU CAN JUST SEE FAMILIES AND ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET THERE. BUT IF THEY'RE GONNA BE SPENDING THE NIGHT, YOU KNOW, UP THE ROAD, UM, THAT CONNECTIVITY, EITHER IF THERE'S A WAY THAT THEY CAN WALK OVER THERE, IF, BECAUSE IT'S A LARGE PROPERTY, YOU COULD BE VERY CLOSE TO THAT AREA AND JUST US TALKING ABOUT THAT TRANSPORTATION PART OR HOW, HOW WE'RE GONNA GET PEOPLE FROM PLACE TO PLACE THAT WAY TOO. BIKE PATHS, ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR. THANK YOU MR. CHINO. I WAS SORRY. ADD TO IT LIKE, AND THE CONNECTION TO THE HIGH UNIVERSITY WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, USE HOTELS DURING THE WEEK FOR HIGH UNIVERSITY AND THEN USE THOSE HOTELS PERHAPS FOR SPORTING EVENTS OR WHATEVER ON THE, UH, ON THE WEEKENDS I THINK WOULD BE NICE. BUT THAT WHOLE AREA, I, THERE'S A LOT OF NICE FINANCIAL CONNECTIVITY AND WITH OU TOO, WITH UM, HOUSING FOR STUDENTS, I THINK THAT'S A VIABLE OPPORTUNITY FOR US. UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE MAKING THEIR WAY HERE IN THE DUBLIN AREA AND THAT'S A NICE PLACE FOR THEM TO THINK ABOUT, UH, LIVING HERE FURTHER. RIGHT. HOUSES, YEAH, , IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHICH AREA OF THE CITY WE WANNA SEE THE WHOLE CITY. WE WANNA SEE PLUSES, WE WANNA SEE MINUSES, WE WANNA SEE THERE'S, IT JUST TAKES TOO MUCH TIME. AND SO WE APPRECIATE THE SACRIFICE OF EACH ONE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS BECAUSE THERE'S, THE NIGHTS GET LONG AND LATE AND GIVING UP AN ANOTHER WEEK TO DO THE TOUR OBVIOUSLY IS APPRECIATED. IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS YOU WANNA HIGHLIGHT IN FUTURE YEARS, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH APPLICATIONS, IF THERE ARE THINGS, HEY, WE WANNA LOOK AT LESSONS LEARNED, WE'VE DONE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, WE'VE DONE NOW THESE NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS. IF THERE ARE OTHER AREAS, COUPLE YEARS AGO WE DID SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, LET'S LOOK AT THOSE BECAUSE THEY CAME WITH DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT OR SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, BUT THEIR BELTS ENVIRONMENT WAS DIFFERENT. AND SO CALLING THOSE IN MR. CHINOOK. YEAH, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. I, I, I AGREE. I THINK LESSONS LEARNED WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL AND I THINK EVEN LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE'VE APPROVED, UM, WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING. LIKE I KNOW, UM, WE BROUGHT UP, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PENZONE PROPERTY AND YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT HOW THAT ACTUALLY TURNED OUT WITH SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, NEW MATERIALS THAT WERE UH, YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO DISCUSS THAT IN PERSON AS WELL. AND ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVEN OPTIONAL, BUT LIKE, EVEN GOING TO SOME, I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, GOING TO SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HILLIARD OR SOME, SOMETHING CLOSE TO LOOK AT HOW THEY'RE DOING THINGS. THE NEW REC CENTER AT HILLIARD FOR INSTANCE, OR I DUNNO, JUST THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES I THINK FOR LEARNING FROM WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING OUTSIDE OF US. AND THE ONE THAT WE DIDN'T GET TO THAT I HAD ON MY LIST THAT I STILL WOULD LIKE TO CHALLENGE THE COMMISSION IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN UP THERE RECENTLY IS IN THE CORTISONE AREA. WE TALK A LOT ABOUT DENSITY AND INTENSITY AND A LOT OF TIMES THOSE GET KIND OF, UH, UH, USED INTERCHANGEABLY. BUT TO ME THAT APARTMENT BUILDING RIGHT BY THE CLUBHOUSE IS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF HIGH DENSITY AND LOW INTENSITY AND THOSE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. AND THAT ONE PAINTS THE PICTURE VERY, VERY WELL. ASHERTON WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, BUT TO ME THAT, THAT FEELS A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENSE BECAUSE IT'S [02:05:01] THAT THERE'S SO MUCH THAT THAT'S TRYING TO DO. MOSTLY BECAUSE IT'S VERY WELL USED, RIGHT? THE TRAIL AROUND THERE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL OF YOU, BUT I USE IT REGULARLY. AND THEN THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE, THE HOUSING. BUT THAT DENSITY AND INTENSITY AT THE CORONE THAT'S REALLY ILLUSTRATED AS TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THIS TIME IT SEEMED LIKE WE HAD A LARGER GROUP WITH US. WE HAD TWO BUSLOADS OF PEOPLE AND IT WAS NICE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS INTERESTED AND COMING OUT AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING THOSE ACCOMMODATIONS AND ORGANIZING IT FOR US. THANK YOU. ONE LAST ONE WAS WE TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT INNOVATION OR THE, UH, PARTICULARLY FLEX INNOVATION IS, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE THE INTENDED APPLICATIONS KIND OF DRILLED OUT. YOU KNOW, WHAT I GUESS COUNCIL ENVISIONS AS FLEX INNOVATION AND WHAT ALL THOSE USES ARE. BUT, UM, AND, AND IF ANY CHANGES SHOULD BE MADE TO THAT. UH, TO ME, ONE, ONE LAST COMMENT IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO GO OUT TO THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE BEFORE US. AND SO WE GO AND WE LOOK AT THOSE, WE, WE INTERACT WITH OUR IMMEDIATE ENVIRONMENTS OR THE PLACES WHERE WE SHOP, THE PLACES WHERE WE PLAY WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN. SO I ESPECIALLY LIKE THE TOUR. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER AMAZON BUILDING AT THE BACK THAT HAD A LARGER MASS THAN THE OTHERS. AND SO SHAME ON ME BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DRIVEN BACK THERE, BUT THOSE TYPES OF INTERACTIONS ALLOW US TO, MAYBE IT'S NOT AN APPLICATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OR CAME BEFORE OUR TIME, BUT APPRECIATE THAT. ONE MORE, ONE MORE THING TO ADD TO AND IN THE SPIRIT OF CONNECTIVITY, I THINK WITH THE, UM, NEW REDEVELOPMENT OF THE 33 INTERCHANGE IN 1 61 AND YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY DOING ALL THESE GREAT THINGS URBAN IN SPORTS OHIO, I THINK PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I KNOW WE PUT SOME PATHS IN THERE, BUT WHETHER WE'RE DOING A BRIDGE OVER THAT OR HOWEVER WE DO THAT, I THINK IT'D BE REALLY GREAT TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT ALL THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL THOSE NEW NEIGHBORHOODS ON COS GRAND DEVELOPMENT TO THAT AREA AS WELL, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY BIKE EASIER TO SPORTS OHIO OR WHATEVER THAT BECOMES DARI. UM, I THINK THE, THE, THE, THE BONES ARE THERE, BUT I THINK A, A BETTER CONNECTIVITY WOULD BE AMAZING FOR THAT WHOLE AREA. AND, AND I DON'T WANNA STEAL MR. ALEXANDER'S THUNDER, BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME PENT UP, UH, ANTICIPATION OF A SIGNATURE TRAIL. , I WASN'T GONNA BRING IT UP THIS MEETING . SO, UH, I, I KNOW THAT WE, WE TALK ABOUT IT ENVISION DUBLIN, THOSE OF US WHO WERE ON THE COMMITTEE HEARD ABOUT IT 18 MONTHS BEFORE THE 12 MONTHS AND, AND THAT ENVISION DUBLIN'S BEEN IN PLACE. BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO SEE WHAT THAT IS, WHAT THE TIMELINE IS FOR THAT, BECAUSE THAT SETS THAT GOOD EXPECTATIONS THAT THAT HIGHLIGHTS FOR US SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING SOME THINGS FORWARD TO YOU AND GET SOME STAFF PRESENTATION AS AN AGENDA WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL. EVEN IF IT'S JUST AN UPDATE OF RIGHT, THE SIGNATURE TRAIL AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COUNCIL DIRECTION HAS BEEN AT THIS POINT AND THE TIMELINE AND HOW WE'RE GONNA INCORPORATE THAT. SO I, YEAH, I CAN DEFINITELY TALK TO JEANNIE AND HER TEAM ABOUT THAT. SO, AND THEN HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY PUBLIC FEEDBACK? I KNOW THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ASKED UM, WHAT THE COMMUNICATION WAS GONNA BE LIKE AND WE DIRECTED THEM TO STAFF FOR SUBMISSIONS. I DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING AHEAD OF THE MEETING THOUGH. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THINGS, STAFF IS REALLY GOOD ABOUT GETTING THOSE TO US IN ANTICIPATION OF MEETINGS AND FOR DELIBERATION, ESPECIALLY AS WE COME TO ADDRESS THESE. SO, UM, MR. BOGGS, WE DON'T HAVE UM, AN ITEM HERE. WHAT WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THIS EVENING? WELL, UH, , I TYPICALLY THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, IN THESE DISCUSSIONS OR COMMUNICATIONS DOESN'T INVITE PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING CONCRETE TO UH, COMMENT ON. BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY IT'S THE COMMISSION'S MEETING AND IT'S AT THE COMMISSION'S DISCRETION. BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THERE IS NO, YOU KNOW, CODE OR APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED OR THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION, THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC ITEM TO COMMENT ON. ALRIGHT. SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S EQUAL OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PUBLIC NOTICE THAT THERE WAS, THERE WAS, UM, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WITH UM, PUBLIC COMMENT. MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION WOULD BE THAT WE, UM, INCLUDE THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA OR WE ENCOURAGE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT TO SUBMIT THAT THROUGH STAFF LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE RECAP FOR THE SPECIAL AREA TOUR RECAP. [02:10:03] THANK YOU. UM, IT'S ALWAYS APPRECIATED. I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF WORK TO GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER AND TO GET SCHEDULES ALIGNED AND MAP OUT A PLAN. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, AND IT WAS EYE-OPENING FOR THOSE OF US GUILTY ONES WHO DON'T GET INTO ALL AREAS WITHOUT APPLICATIONS ALL THE TIME. ALRIGHT, UH, WITH THAT I'LL ENTERTAIN [ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION] A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR A CONFERENCE WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR THE PUBLIC BODY CONCERNING DISPUTES INVOLVING THE PUBLIC BODY THAT ARE SUBJECT TO OR, UH, EXCUSE ME, SUBJECT OF PENDING OR IMMINENT COURT ACTION. SO MOVED. THANK YOU MR. WADE. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU MR. LER. MS. MAXWELL. MR. WADE? YES. MS. HARDER? YES. MR. ? YES. MR. CHEN? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. GARMAN? YES. YES. THANK YOU. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE UH, APPRECIATE YOU SPENDING A THURSDAY NIGHT WITH US. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO THROUGH THE CITY WEBSITE OR DIRECTLY TO STAFF WHOSE EMAIL ADDRESSES ARE ON THE WEBSITE. THANK YOU. UH, WE WILL RECONVENE THE MEETING. UM, DO WE HAVE TO, I DON'T HAVE MY AGENDA IN FRONT OF INDICATIONS. NO, NO, NO. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO GET BACK IN THE MEETING. NO. SO RECOM MEETING, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAD TO TAKE SOME SORT OF VOTE. ALRIGHT, [COMMUNICATIONS] COMMUNICATIONS. MS. RA HAS A FEW DATES TO SHARE WITH US. I HAVE THREE, THREE THINGS TO SHARE. SO NEXT MEETING OCTOBER 2ND, THEN, UM, THE OHIO A PA OR CENTRAL OHIO A PA IS DOING A PLANNING AND ZONING WORKSHOP. THEY DO THAT TYPICALLY EVERY YEAR IN THE FALL. SO THAT IS OCTOBER THE 24TH AND THAT'S HERE IN COLUMBUS. SO IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN ATTENDING THAT TRAINING, UM, JUST LET, SEND ME AN EMAIL, LET ME KNOW AND WE CAN GET YOU REGISTERED FOR THAT. IT'S, UM, TYPICALLY LIKE AN EIGHT TO FOUR KIND OF THING WITH MULTIPLE SESSIONS, SO IT'S USUALLY A VERY GOOD EVENT. UM, AND THEN I JUST GOT AN INVITATION TO THE EVENING OF GRATITUDE, WHICH IS WHERE COUNCIL, UM, RECOGNIZES ALL THE WORK OF ALL OF OUR VOLUNTEERS, INCLUDING OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO THAT IS OCTOBER 29TH AT THE EXCHANGE FROM SIX TO EIGHT. SO I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE ON YOUR RADAR AND I CAN FORWARD THE APPOINTMENT TO ALL OF YOU JUST SO YOU HAVE THAT, BUT JUST, THAT'S ALWAYS A NICE EVENT AT THE EXCHANGE. SO THAT'S ALL I GOT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS? OKAY, MR. WE MEETING ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.