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WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD MEETING BEING HELD AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE.THE MEETING CAN ALSO BE ACCESSED VIA THE LIVESTREAM VIDEO RECORDED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CASES.
THE MEETING PROCEDURE FOR EACH CASE THIS EVENING WILL BEGIN WITH A STAFF PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION IF DESIRED.
THE APPLICANT MAY PRESENT FIRST.
THE BOARD WILL THEN ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENTS AND BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE.
UH, TO BEGIN WITH, ANYONE WISHING MAKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM.
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WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND ASK MS. PAT MCDANIEL TO START US OFF.
I PLEDGE WITH ALLEGIANCE TO THE SUPPLY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE HAITIAN UN HER GOD WITH IN LIBERTY, AND WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UM, MS. MAXWELL, YOU WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? YES.
UM, MR. KOTTER IS ABSENT THIS EVENING.
MS. PAT MCDANIEL HERE, AND I WOULD LIKE
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 22ND, 25.I'M GONNA DO THEM SEPARATELY AS TWO VOTES, UM, TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE A RB MEETING OF JULY 23RD.
2025 IS THE FIRST MOTION I'D LIKE.
AND THE SECOND MOTION I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN IS TO ACCEPT, OR EXCUSE ME, TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 22ND, 2025 JOINT TRAINING.
WE'RE DONE WITH PRELIMINARIES.
THE BOARD HAS A DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY ON THESE CASES.
ANYONE WHO ATTENDS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THESE CASE ON THE CASES THIS EVENING MUST BE SWORN IN.
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DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? YES.
[Case #25-059MPR]
WE WILL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER 25 0 5 9 MPR, WHICH IS THE BOHO 72 BOUTIQUE ON A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW TO ALLOW AWNINGS OVER THE TENANT STOREFRONTS.THE 0.50 ACRE SITE IS ZONED HISTORIC SOUTH DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED AT 55 SOUTH HIGH STREET AND MS. NOBLE WILL BE PRESENTING.
UH, THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
UM, THIS CASE WAS ORIGINALLY HEARD BEFORE THE BOARD IN JULY FOR ACTUALLY TWO REQUESTS.
ONE WAS FOR A WAIVER FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE AWNINGS, THE SECOND WAS FOR A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW FOR THE COLOR OF THE AWNINGS.
THE FIRST APPLICATION WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED BY THE BOARD, THE SECOND WAS TABLED FOR FURTHER, UM, WORK WITH STAFF, WHICH WE'VE DONE.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, RAISED SOME CONSENSUS WITH THE APPLICANT.
WE'RE PREPARED TO PRESENT AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE BOARD.
JUST AS A REMINDER FOR THE, FOR THE BOARD, THIS IS A QUARTER OF AN ACRE SITE LOCATED ON, UM, THE EAST SIDE OF MILL LANE, SOUTH OF SPRING HILL.
THE SITE IS ZONED HISTORIC, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND IS SURROUNDED BY, UM, HISTORIC SOUTH TO THE EAST, HISTORIC CORE TO THE NORTH AND HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST.
THE SITE DOES CONTAIN A MULTI-STORY BUILDING THAT CONTAINS MULTIPLE TENANTS, UH, OF RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS.
UH, THE SITE WAS, OR THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1979.
IT IS DESIGNATED AS A BACKGROUND BUILDING.
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MONOTONE COLORED, UH, STUCCO BUILDING, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY BUILDING, UH, MATERIAL, BUT IT IS SURROUNDED BY LANDMARK, UH, BUILDINGS, WHICH WE'VE NOTED IN THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION.UM, SO WE'RE, UH, ADDING SOME SENSITIVITY TO THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS IN WHICH IT'S LOCATED.
THESE ARE PICTURES OF THE SITE.
AGAIN, IT'S A, BASICALLY AN L-SHAPED BUILDING MULTI-STORY, UM, WITH PARKING IN THE CENTER LOCATIONS.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS A SINGLE TENANT OF THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE AND IS PROPOSING AWNINGS FOR HER PARTICULAR LOCATION.
THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL BEFORE THE BOARD IN JULY WAS FOR A STRIPED PATTERN, UM, AWNING THAT WOULD BE BEFORE OR ABOVE THE DOORS AND WINDOWS AND TWO LOCATIONS OF THE BUILDING TO PROVIDE ACCENTS FOR THE, FOR THE STOREFRONT.
UM, THEY WERE CREAM AND BLACK AS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION BEFORE THE BOARD.
UH, THE BOARD HAD DISCUSSED OTHER COLOR OPTIONS, BUT THERE WAS NO CONSENSUS FOR THAT PARTICULAR COLOR.
UM, WE WERE TASKED WITH MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT PROPOSING SOME ALTERNATIVES OF WHICH WE DID.
WE CONSIDERED FOUR DIFFERENT, UH, COLOR VARIATIONS AND WE COLLECTIVELY DECIDED ON A COLOR CHOICE.
UM, THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL AMENDS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL TO ALLOW, UM, AGAIN, AWNINGS.
WE'RE CALLING THIS, UH, UMBRELLA AQUAMARINE, WHICH IS A LIGHT TEAL COLOR.
UM, IT PROVIDES ACCENT TO THE BUILDING.
IT ACCENTUATES THE, I WOULD SAY THE EARTH TONES OF THE BUILDING AND STILL, UH, COLLABORATES WITH THE EXISTING SIGN THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR THE SITE.
THIS WILL BE CONSISTENT AMONG THE OTHER STOREFRONTS IF APPROVED.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE CONSISTENCY IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE BOARD.
SO WE'VE PROVIDED, UM, A RENDERING OF WHAT WE THINK THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THERE WAS OTHER TENANTS THAT WOULD, UH, PROPOSE THE SAME, UH, ADDITION TO THEIR BUILDING.
AND AGAIN, WE BELIEVE IT ACCENTUATES THE BUILDING APPROPRIATELY.
DOESN'T DRAW TOO MUCH ATTENTION, BUT DOES PROVIDE SOME EX ACCENTS TO THE BUILDING.
THE CRITERIA THAT'S, UH, PROVIDED FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, MOST OF ALL OF THE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET OR ARE NOT APPLICABLE, AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. NOBLE? NO.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? AND COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE STATE AND AD YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD HERE TO HELP WITH THIS DECISION? UM, I KNOW JAMIE HAS MET WITH YOU FOLKS, UH, AND I KNOW WITH, WITH, UH, TAMMY TO GO THROUGH THE COLOR OPTIONS.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, JAMIE'S PRETTY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT SHE'S PROPOSED, UM, FROM YOUR LAST MEETING.
THE EARTH TONES WERE KIND OF TAKEN OFF THE PLATE IN HER MIND, UH, AND LOOKING AT THESE OTHER COLORS.
AND MOST OF THE COLORS I DON'T BELIEVE ARE REALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN, IN THE CITY, UM, IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, I'M NO STRANGER TO THESE TYPES OF ISSUES.
I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL BACK IN LATE, UH, 99, 2001.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT BACK WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, WE WERE STILL DEAL, WE WERE DEALING WITH RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS TRYING TO MAKE IT, THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO MAKE IT.
AND ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO BACK THEN TO ENHANCE THAT WE TRIED TO DO.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT JAMIE'S INTENTION IS, TO JUST ENHANCE THIS BUILDING SLIGHTLY SO THAT SHE CAN GENERATE A LITTLE BIT MORE WALK, WALKABLE TRAFFIC, DRIVABLE TRAFFIC, SO PEOPLE NOTICE HER BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE RENDERINGS THAT ANYTIME THERE'S A CAR PARKED THERE, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S BEHIND THERE.
UM, THAT'S WHY SHE'S ASKING FOR THE, FOR THE AWNINGS.
UM, SHE'S RELUCTANTLY WILLING TO GO WITH THIS COLOR SCHEME, BUT I THINK HER PASSION AND HER REQUEST WOULD BE TO SEE IF YOU FOLKS WOULD, COULD AGREE ON THE ORIGINAL CHARCOAL AND CREAM THAT WAS PROPOSED, THAT SHE'S PRETTY, UH, EMOTIONAL ABOUT.
UM, I'M HERE TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, ONE, ONE THING I DO WANNA SHARE WITH YOU, UM, JAMIE HAS A FOLLOWING AND THAT'S WHAT'S HELPED HER KEEP HER
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BUSINESS GOING.AND THAT THOSE FOLKS COME FROM DUBLIN, THEY COME FROM HILLIARD, THEY COME FROM ALL AROUND TO SHOP IN HER AT HER STORE.
SHE REACHED OUT TO THEM VIA FACEBOOK AND, UM, WHAT'S THE OTHER INSTAGRAM, AND ASKED A PRETTY BASIC QUESTION, WHICH OF THESE AWNING CHOICES SEEMED MOST SUITED FOR HISTORIC DUBLIN? AND SHE PUT THE FOUR COLORS THAT STAFF WAS PROPOSING, INCLUDING THE COLOR THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN, UH, DISCUSSED EARL TONIGHT, AS WELL AS THE STRIPED.
I THINK YOU'LL FIND THIS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
SHE HAD 309 VOTES IN WITHIN A TWO DAY PERIOD, 233 OF THEM, 75% CAME BACK STRIPED GREEN AND CHARCOAL.
12% OR 38 VOTES CAME BACK WITH AN OLIVE GREEN.
AND THE COLOR THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, 20 VOTES AT 6.5% AND THE NUMBERS DROPPED FROM THERE.
UM, THOSE COLORS WERE THE COLORS THAT WAS WERE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF.
SO I KNOW EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT IDEA OF WHAT THEIR COLOR PALETTE IS AND WHAT THEY LIKE AND WHAT THEY PREFER.
UM, JAMIE OBVIOUSLY HAS HERS AND YOU ALL HAVE YOURS, BUT I THINK IN THIS INSTANCE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING OUTSIDE OF THE INTENT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, THIS BUILDING IS NOT HISTORIC IN ANY FASHION.
AND IF IT WAS BEING PROPOSED TODAY, IT WOULD NOT HAVE EVER BEEN BUILT.
UM, I'VE TALKED TO THE SE THE SEVERAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO APPROVED THIS BUILDING ORIGINALLY AND THEY WISH THEY HADN'T.
UM, SO JAMIE'S, JAMIE'S RELUCTANTLY WILLING TO GO WITH THE COLOR OF THE AQUA RING, BUT I THINK HER, HER WISH WOULD BE FOR YOU TO DISCUSS AND, AND SEE IF, IF THERE'S ANY AGREEABLE CONSENSUS FOR THE CREAM AND CHARCOAL STRIKE.
DO THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR? IS IT ATAC? YES.
I, I, MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
SO I HEAR YOU SAYING, REPRESENTING THAT SHE HAS AGREED TO THIS, BUT THIS IS NOT HER CHOICE.
HER CHOICE IS STILL THE STRIPED.
SO I WANNA MAKE A STATEMENT AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW I APPRECIATE THE VOTE.
THAT'S NOT HOW WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON A RB.
SO I WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
I DO THINK THAT THIS COLOR IS NOT, DOES NOT LOOK NICE ON THE BUILDING.
IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE BUILDING.
AND I WOULD AGREE WITH HER THAT THE STRIPES ARE STILL THE BETTER CHOICE.
AND THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY ABOUT IT.
UM, LET ME, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT.
UM, DO EITHER OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO QUESTION.
ALL RIGHT, THEN LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, LET ME REMIND THE BOARD AND, UM, THE APPLICANT THAT THE, BECAUSE WE ARE DOWN ONE MEMBER, IT WILL TAKE A VOTE OF THREE TO PASS A MOTION, TWO VOTES.
IF IT'S TWO TO TWO, THE MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A MAJORITY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UM, WELL, I, I, I HAD THE STRONGEST OPINION, I BELIEVE AT THE LAST MEETING AND FELT THAT THE STRIPES WERE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PATTERN OF THE OTHER AWNINGS AND HISTORICALLY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I, I APPRECIATE HER, HER NEED TO ATTRACT BUSINESS.
UM, MY ISSUE IS I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE HER, UH, TO, TO VOTE FOR THE STRIPES.
THEY'RE NOT HISTORICALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE DISTRICT.
I ALSO TO, FROM OUR SIDE, FROM THE BOARD TO ACCEPT THIS.
THEN WE'D SAY, WELL, IF MISSING JIMMY'S OR OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND THERE, NOT JUST IN THAT BUILDING, BUT ELSEWHERE BECAUSE NOT EVEN GONNA TOUCH ON THE BUILDING, BUT IF OTHER BUSINESSES SAY, WELL, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE STRIPED AWNINGS TOO, SO THEN I'M BEING ASKED TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF LIKE HER BETTER THAN HAVING TO DECIDE EXCEPTIONS.
AND, UM, SO I APPRECIATE THE VOTE.
I APPRECIATE HER, UH, DESIRE, UH, TO ATTRACT MORE.
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I, I DON'T KNOW, EVEN THAT STRIPED OR AQUA MARINE IS GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS ATTRACTING MORE BUSINESS.'CAUSE EVEN YOU AND THE APPLICANT HAD ADMIT THAT YOU, YOU CAN'T SEE THAT FIRST FLOOR FROM THE STREET.
I I DRIVE BY THERE, WALK BY THERE ALL THE TIME.
YOU CAN'T SEE BELOW THE SECOND FLOOR LEVEL.
AND SO, UH, AND THEN, THEN YOU MAY SAY, WELL, AND THEN JUST PUT 'EM IN, PUT STRIPED IN 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE 'EM.
WELL THEN MISSING JIMMY'S OR OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE AREA MAY WANT IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA ACHIEVE WHAT SHE WANTS.
UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA ACHIEVE THE, UM, ATTENTION, THE, THE DISTINCTION.
UM, AND LIKE YOU SAY, SHE ALREADY HAS LOYAL CUSTOMERS.
I MEAN, SHE GOT 300 RESPONSES WITHIN A COUPLE DAYS ON, ON FACEBOOK.
UH, I, I DON'T THINK SHE'S GONNA GET NEW CUSTOMERS BY HAVING STRIPE VERSUS A SOLID AWNING.
UM, UH, UH, MY OPINION HASN'T CHANGED.
UM, AND, AND I'LL JUST INVITE THE REST OF THE BOARD TO SEE WHAT THEY SAY.
MARTY, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR, I'M GONNA PASS RIGHT NOW.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. NOBLE.
YOU HAD STATED THAT THE AQUAMARINE IS CONSISTENT IN THE DISTRICT.
ARE THERE OTHER AWNINGS OF THIS COLOR OR THIS COLOR, UM, CLASS IF THERE IS SUCH THING? OH, I MAY, MAY HAVE MISREPRESENTED.
SO TO BE CLEAR, UM, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS CORRECT.
WE DON'T HAVE STRIPED AWNINGS IN THE DISTRICT.
I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE SOLID COLORS, BUT, UM, AQUAMARINE I COULD NOT SPEAK TO.
AGAIN, THIS WAS A, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS A HYBRID OF SOLUTIONS.
WE WERE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING THAT ATTRACTS SLIGHT ATTENTION, REFLECTS WELL ON THE BUILDING ITSELF.
AND STILL AGAIN, WOULD BE CON CONSISTENT IF THERE WERE MULTIPLE TENANTS THAT AGREED TO DO THE SAME.
AWNINGS IS THE, THE AQUAMARINE COLOR WITHIN A PALETTE RANGE IN THE DISTRICT.
WHY THIS COLOR? I MEAN, LITERALLY WE TOOK DIFFERENT DEVIATIONS OF BLUES GREENS.
THIS IS A DEVIATION OF BLUE GREEN.
AND THEN WE HAD A, WHAT I WOULD CALL A BURNT ORANGE OR A MAYBE A LITTLE BRIGHTER ORANGE.
BUT WE TRIED TO TAKE A RANGE OF COLORS AND TALK TO JAMIE ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE PREFERRED.
AND HONESTLY, WE BOTH, WE, WE ALL COLLECTIVELY AGREED ON THIS COLOR AND NO OTHER PATTERN WAS CONSIDERED.
'CAUSE THE, THE CODE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ALLOWS TWO COLORS.
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT IN A OSTENTATIOUS PATTERN.
I THINK MAYBE AS A SINGLE TE TENANT, A PATTERN MIGHT NOT BE, UM, TERRIBLY COMPLEX.
BUT IF YOU HAD A WHOLE BUILDING OF THAT SAME PATTERN, IT MIGHT LOOK A BIT BUSY.
SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED ON A SOLID COLOR.
IF I CAN FOLLOW UP, UM, I THINK WE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT CHATEAU LANE HAS LIKE A BLOCK COLOR, TWO COLORS, BUT IT'S BLOCKED.
SO THE TOP IS, I RECALL, IS A KIND OF A REDDISH MUTED REDDISH COLOR AND THEN MAYBE A CREAM HANGS DOWN.
WERE ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS CONSIDERED? I KNOW THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE I POINTED TO I THINK BELIE, UH, SHADOW LA SHADOW LANE, UM, EQUALLY HAS SOME DIFFERENT PATTERNS TO IT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE WERE TRYING TO, HONESTLY, WE WERE TRYING TO FOCUS ON A SOLID COLOR.
AND, AND IF YOU DON'T MIND ME INTERJECTING THAT, AS YOU RECALL THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, THE CHOICE WAS BETWEEN STRIPED AND BLACK AND THE BLACK AWNINGS ARE PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE SEE IN, IN THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT, ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE STREET.
AND, UM, SO THIS, UH, AS FAR AS WHAT OTHER COLOR SHE CHOOSES, AND, UH, I, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THIS COLOR.
UM, IF SHE HAS ANOTHER COLOR SHE'D PREFER I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT TOO.
BUT THE CHOICE AT THE LAST MEETING WAS BETWEEN BLACK OR STRIPED.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHY THIS DISCUSSION WAS POSTPONED TILL TODAY TO GIVE HER MORE CHOICE, MORE, MORE TIME TO WORK WITH STAFF AND COME UP WITH ANOTHER OPTION.
SO CAN I JUST, THE STRIPES ARE ALLOWED UNDER THE CODE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDER THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT THE, THE TWO COLORS ARE ALLOWED UNDER THE CODE AND THE COLORS ARE CREAM AND BLACK, WHICH ARE ALLOWED UNDER THE CODE.
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THE, THE QUESTION IS IF YOU'RE GONNA USE TWO COLORS THAT IT BE IN A, WHAT IS THE TERM? IT'S NOT OSTENTATIOUS.IT'S, YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S OSTENTATIOUS.
IS IT
I'M GLAD YOU SAY IT THOUGH, BECAUSE I, I, I THEN I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THAT IT JUST CAN'T BE IN AN OSTENTATIOUS CO PATTERN AND I'M, AS I'M MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE STRIPES ARE OSTENTATIOUS.
SO BECAUSE IT DOES INDEED MEET THE TWO COLOR MAXIMUM, I WOULD THINK PAR PAISLEY PERHAPS WOULD BE OSTENTATIOUS
I, I CAN THINK OF A LOT OF PATTERNS THAT ARE OSTENTATIOUS STRIPES WOULD NOT BE ONE OF THEM.
OKAY, SO MARTY WAS DEFERRING TO HAVE MY COMMENTS FIRST.
UM, AND I'LL, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF MULTIPLE, UM, AWNINGS IN THE STRIPES.
UM, IT DOES TAKE ON A CIRCUSY TYPE OF EFFECT.
UM, I, I LIKE IT ON THE ONE PLACE.
I'M MORE CONCERNED IF IT SPREADS.
UM, I ALSO LIKE THE AQUAMARINE.
I THINK IT'S, UM, QUITE, IT FITS THE AREA.
UM, AND IT STANDS OUT, THE BLACK DOES NOT.
AND SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN WITH THE BLACK.
UM, SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE AQUAMARINE AND PROBABLY AGAINST THE STRIPES.
SO I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE AQUAMARINE.
I THOUGHT THAT THE SOLID BLACK WAS LOST ON THE BUILDING AND DID NOT BRING THE ATTENTION THAT THE BUSINESS OWNER IS SEEKING BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATED PARKING LOT CARS.
A LOT OF CARS ARE USUALLY PARKED IS CERTAINLY DURING BUSINESS HOURS, USUALLY PARKED ON THAT, UM, PARKING GARAGE OR PARKING LOT.
AND SO THE BLACK JUST MELTED INTO THE BUILDING AND DIDN'T BRING ANY, I'M OVER HERE, IF YOU WILL, ATTRACTION, IN MY OPINION, I WAS AGAINST THE STRIPE.
UH, NOT BECAUSE I, UM, DON'T LIKE STRIPES 'CAUSE I LOVE BLACK AND WHITE STRIPES, BUT BECAUSE IT IS, UM, IT DID NOT TO ME SEEM TO FIT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I'M, UM, I'M ALSO KIND OF CURIOUS.
THE, THE PICTURE OF THE AQUAMARINE MAKES IT HARD TO TO TELL.
DO WE HAVE A SAMPLE OF IT BY ANY CHANCE? BECAUSE I CAN SEE WHY, WHY AN AQUA MARINE WOULD BE BRIGHTER THAN SAY BLUE.
I WISH THE PICTURE WERE TAKEN ON A SUNNY DAY.
IF THIS WAS REALLY A TUDOR BUILDING, WHICH OF COURSE IT'S NOT, IT'S A REPLICA FROM 1980, THIS COLOR WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE ON A TUDOR BUILDING.
BUT AGAIN, I CAN SEE THAT, I'M NOT GONNA PERSUADE YOU ALL, BUT I, I I, I DO THINK THAT THE, THE STRIPES DO LOOK BETTER.
AND, AND HERE'S THE OTHER THING IS WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON THIS.
AND THE DECISIONS WOULD DEFINITELY BE DIFFERENT ON OTHER BUILDINGS IN, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE PEOPLE RUNNING IN HERE TO DO STRIPES.
UM, AND IT'S LIKELY THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO SEE ANY OF THE OTHER TENANTS COME IN HERE WANTING AWNINGS.
AND IF THEY ARE, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES OR NO, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR ARGUMENT WOULD BE.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THE AQUAMARINE PERSONALLY QUESTION.
CAN, CAN YOU MAKE IT BE WRITTEN UP AS A CONDITIONAL USE SO THAT WHEN SHE'S OUTTA BUSINESS FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, HER LEASE IS UP, THE AWNINGS COME DOWN, AND THEN THAT KEEPS OTHERS FROM PURSUING STRIPED AWNINGS.
AND WE, I MEAN, STAFF CAN PROBABLY WRITE SOMETHING INTO THIS TO KIND OF RESTRICT AN EXPANSION OF WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED.
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I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO ADMINISTER.AND I THINK THAT AS SOON AS A TENANT GOT ANY KIND OF AWNING ON THIS BUILDING, WE REALLY, SINCE IT'S A SINGULAR BUILDING, WE REALLY HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT THE ENTIRE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH WHATEVER THE CHOSEN AWNING IS.
IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE A DIFFERENT TENANT COME BACK AND WISH FOR THE AWNINGS, THE STRIPED AWNINGS, AND THEN TURN THEM DOWN.
THAT WOULD PUT EVERYBODY IN A VERY AWKWARD SPOT.
SO WE'RE, WE ARE TRYING, UM, TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN VISIBILITY AND SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR THIS BUILDING THAT WE COULD THEN SUPPORT HOLISTICALLY ON THIS BUILDING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE STAFF IS COMING FROM.
I THINK THE STRIPES COULD BE ON THE WHOLE BUILDING.
SO I'LL JUST THROW THAT THAT OUT THERE TOO.
GIVEN THE COLOR OF THE BUILDING, I THINK IT WOULD BE FINE.
AND IT, AGAIN, IT'S ALLOWED BY THE CODE AND I THINK WE GOTTA REMEMBER THAT.
DO YOU MIND IF I ADD SOMETHING I WANTED TO ADD? UM, AND THIS IS NOT RELEVANT TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, BUT IMPORTANT OF HOW WE'VE WORKED WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE APPROVED, OR WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF APPROVING SOME OTHER MODIFICATIONS, INCLUDING THE WALL SIGN.
UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH HER TO APPROVE A TENANT PANEL THAT WILL BE ON THE MONUMENT SIGN THAT FACES THE MAIN, UH, THOROUGHFARE.
UM, AND HONESTLY, I, AND I'VE TALKED TO HER AND WE'VE HAD VERY CANDID CONVERSATIONS.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT, UH, BENEFIT TO HER.
THE, THE, THE AWNINGS, I, I BELIEVE ARE A NICE ACCENT TO THE BUILDING, BUT I THINK THE TENANT PANEL TO ACTUALLY GET PEOPLE TO HER STOREFRONT, I THINK IS GOING TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.
SO THERE'S MULTIPLE VENUES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, WORKING WITH HER TO, TO MEET HER GOALS.
WHAT HELPS HER THE MOST IS THE FACT THAT THE OTHER WOMEN'S CLOTHING STORE IS RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER.
PEOPLE WALK FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, THE OTHER TO ONE.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR WOULD SOMEBODY PROPOSE A MOTION? UM, I'D PROPOSE A MOTION TO, UM, UH, APPROVE THE AWNINGS WITH THE AQUA MARINE COLOR.
WOULD JUST BE TO APPROVE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW AS PROPOSED? CORRECT.
AND I WOULD, SINCE WE'VE HAD SUCH A, A DISCUSSION, UM, ITEMIZE THE AQUA MARINE AS YOU DID.
IS IT, IS THERE A SECOND? I CAN SECOND THAT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MS. DAMER? YES.
[Case #25-074MPR]
NUMBER 25 0 7 4 MPR 55 FRANKLIN STREET MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW TO ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF ROOF-MOUNTED SOLAR PANELS ON A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE.
THE 0.36 ACRES SITE IS ZONED HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND OUR PRESENTER WILL BE MS. NOBLE.
UM, THIS EVENING WE ARE PRESENTING OUR FIRST SOLAR PANEL APPLICATION FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH, UH, WE'RE THRILLED TO PRESENT.
UM, THIS DOES INVOLVE A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW BEFORE THE BOARD, AND IT DEALS WITH A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF FRANKLIN STREET.
IT'S JUST SOUTH OF SPRING HILL DRIVE.
UM, THE SITE IS ZONED HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S SURROUNDED BY HISTORIC, UH, SOUTH TO THE EAST, HISTORIC CORE TO THE NORTH, AND HISTORIC PUBLIC TO THE WEST.
AGAIN, THE SITE DOES HAVE FRONTAGE ON FRANKLIN STREET AND DOES HAVE ADJACENCY TO MILL LANE.
THE SITE CONTAINS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
THERE IS A PULL TO THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, AND THERE'S A DETACHED STRUCTURE TO THE REAR.
IT'S HEAVILY VEGETATED, UM, WHICH HELP, WHICH HELPS WITH THE, UH, BUFFERING OF THE SITE AS WELL AS THE DETACHED STRUCTURE HELPS WITH VISIBILITY FROM THE REAR,
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WHICH WE ARE, UH, VERY COGNIZANT OF IN TERMS OF A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.UM, THE, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO APPROACH THIS APPLICATION WITH SENSITIVITY TO WHERE THE PANELS ARE LOCATED, AND A FEW SLIDES, I'LL SHOW YOU THE LOCATIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IF IT WANTS TO PROCEED.
UM, THESE ARE A FEW RENDERING OR SITE VIEWS INTO THE SITE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY THE VIEW FROM FRANKLIN STREET.
LOOKING AT THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A, UM, PORCH TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY WITH A METAL ROOF.
THE ACTUAL MAIN PART OF THE STRUCTURE IS A DARK COLORED SHINGLED ROOF, WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO OUR CONVERSATION AS IT MATCHES OR AT LEAST CLOSELY MATCHES TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THE SECOND, UM, PICTURE IS THE DETACHED STRUCTURE, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR MILL LENGTHS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTH ANGLES OF THE PROPERTY, UM, OF WHICH YOU WOULD SEE FROM BOTH RIGHT OF WAYS.
UM, THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW IS FOR, UM, SOLAR PANELS TO BE LOCATED TO ONLY THE SIDE AND REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S A TOTAL OF 40, UH, PANELS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
WE'VE INTENTIONALLY NOT INCLUDED PANELS TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, UH, TO PROTECT VIEW SHEDS FROM FRANKLIN STREET.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH US TO BE SENSITIVE TO, UM, LOCATIONS THAT WOULD STILL MEET THEIR NEEDS YET, UM, ENHANCE, UH, OR AT LEAST PROTECT VISIBILITIES FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
I'M GONNA TAKE, JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT SOLAR.
UM, I WOULD SAY THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT I'VE WORKED ON FOR A COUPLE YEARS, SO IF YOU'LL HUMOR ME FOR JUST A FEW MOMENTS.
UM, WE DID TAKE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT SOLAR REGULATIONS.
THESE ARE OUR FIRST SOLAR REGULATIONS.
IT TOOK US TWO YEARS TO DO THAT, AND WE WERE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT, UM, WHAT OUR RESEARCH PRACTICES WERE.
WE, WE WORKED WITH INSTALLERS, WE WORKED WITH LOBBYISTS, WE WORKED WITH THE PUBLIC.
WE WORKED WITH A WHOLE HOST OF ENTITIES TO UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S INVOLVED IN SOLAR, UH, TECHNOLOGY, BUT JUST GENERALLY WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO MAXIMIZE EFFICIENCY AND STILL MAKE CONSIDERATIONS FOR AESTHETICS.
SO THAT WAS A NICE BALANCE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO CONSIDER.
UM, I WILL SAY THE FOCUS, AT LEAST FOR INITIAL ADOPTION OF THE CODE WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR BUILDING MOUNTED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, BECAUSE THAT WAS WHERE WE WERE SEEING THE MOST NEED.
UM, SO THERE WAS A STRONG FOCUS.
THE ORIGINAL ADOPTION OF THE CODE WAS ADOPTED IN JUNE OF 2023.
WE MONITORED OUR, OUR PROGRESS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
UH, REPORT REPORTED BACK TO CITY COUNCIL ON OUR APPROVAL RATES, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WEREN'T EXACTLY WHERE WE WANTED THEM TO BE.
AND WHAT WE FOUND TO BE, THERE WAS TWO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS IN OUR CODE THAT HAD A DIRECT CORRELATION WITH APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.
ONE WAS THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE COLOR OF THE PANELS BE A SIMILAR COLOR TO THE ROOF MATERIAL, SO A DARKER MATERIAL.
UH, THE SECOND WAS WHAT I WOULD CALL A CONFIGURATION REQUIREMENT.
AND THAT MEANS WE WANTED A CERTAIN RECTANGULAR SHAPE SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A DISORIENTED OR A DIS, UM, DISCOMBOBULATED BASICALLY PATTERN TO A, A, A ROOF LINE SO THAT IT WOULD DRAW ATTENTION TO THOSE PANELS.
UM, ORIGINALLY IN THE JUNE APPROVAL, WE RECOGNIZED THAT WE APPLIED THAT TO THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE, ALL SIDES OF THE STRUCTURE, AND IT WAS HAVING A, A DRAMATIC IMPACT ON OUR ABILITY TO APPROVE, UH, PANELS.
SO WE ACTUALLY WENT BACK TO COUNCIL IN DECEMBER AND PROPOSED THAT WE STILL APPLY THOSE REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE APPLY THEM TO THE FRONT FACADE OF A STRUCTURE.
AND OUR SUCCESS RATE HAS WENT FROM, WE WERE PROBABLY AT A SUCCESS RATE IN JUNE, SOMEWHERE AROUND, UH, 35%, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY AT A, ABOUT A 95% RATE.
SO, SO THERE WAS SUCCESS IN THAT, IN THAT CODE MODIFICATION.
THIS IS JUST A GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATION ABOUT THE TWO, TWO DIFFERENCES.
AGAIN, THE FIRST, UH, CODE AMENDMENT APPLIED TO ALL PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURE, AND CURRENTLY WE ONLY APPLY THE COLOR AND THE CONFIGURATION REQUIREMENTS TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
THE REASON WHY THIS IS APPLICABLE TO THIS CURRENT APPLICATION IS THEY'RE ACTUALLY MEETING THESE COLOR AND COLOR, COLOR AND CONFIGURATION REQUIREMENTS, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
SO I, I WANT TO GIVE SOME, SOME RECOGNITION TO THAT, TO THAT EFFORT.
UM, JUST GENERALLY FOR THE BOARD'S, UM, EDIFICATION FOR THE ZONING CODE, WE ALSO REQUIRE THAT THEY CONCEAL ALL COMPONENTS OF THE, UH, EQUIPMENT
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THAT THE EQUIPMENT'S ALWAYS IN PERFORMING.UH, IT'S WELL MAINTAINED AND IT'S PERFORMING ADEQUATELY, AND THAT THERE'S NO GAPS IN THE, UM, PANELS AS THEY'RE PUT TOGETHER SO THAT THERE'S MINIMAL, UH, LIGHT TRESPASS.
UM, OUR CURRENT CODE ONLY ALLOWS THE, UH, PANELS TO BE SIX INCHES ABOVE THE ROOF ROOF LINE, UH, TO MINIMIZE ANY TYPE OF LIGHT TRESPASS THAT IT HAS TO BE INTEGRATED INTO THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
AND THERE'S OTHER PROVISIONS THAT IT DOESN'T GO BEYOND THE ROOF LINE, UM, AND MAKE ANY TYPE OF VISUAL, UM, INTRUSIONS.
WITH THAT, I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE GUIDELINES ALSO RECOGNIZE SOLAR ENERGY ACTUALLY IN A VERY POSITIVE MANNER, UM, WITH THE IDEAS THAT THERE'S, UH, MINIMAL, MINIMAL VISUAL IMPACTS TO THE STREETS, SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY USE TECHNOLOGY THAT MINIMIZES, UM, THE ATTENTION TO THE EQUIPMENT.
SPECIFICALLY IT MENTION THIS, UH, VISIBILITY FROM FRONTAGES.
AND THEN FOR THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, IT WOULD BE FRANKLIN STREET, AND THAT WHENEVER THE EQUIPMENT IS INSTALLED, THAT IT'S REV REVERSIBLE, THAT IF ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER COMES IN, THAT THEY COULD ADEQUATELY MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS TO REMOVE THE EQUIPMENT.
SO JUST A REMINDER, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING, UH, PANELS TO THE SIDE IN THE REAR ALL, UH, ALIGNED AND, UM, LOCATED IN AN ORDERLY MANNER.
UH, THIS JUST SHOWS THE, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THE PANEL ITSELF, WHICH I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT.
UM, THIS IS A NEWER PANEL THAT WE'VE, UH, TALKED TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT.
IT FEATURES A LOW LIGHT, UH, PERFORMANCE.
IT HAS A 25 YEAR WARRANTY FOR, UH, THE PRODUCT ITSELF.
AND IT ALSO HAS A PERFORMANCE, UH, RATING OF 30 YEARS, WHICH THOSE ARE BOTH HIGHER THAN I'VE I'VE SEEN IN OTHER TECHNOLOGY, UM, RELATED PANELS.
THERE'S NO LINES OR, UM, COLOR DIFFERENCE DIFFERENCES IN IT.
UM, AND IT IS ANTI-REFLECTIVE IN TERMS OF COLOR AND, UH, LIGHT TRESPASS IN TERMS OF REFLECTING, UH, THE SUNLIGHT, IT DOES HAVE A RAIL SYSTEM THAT PROVIDES, UM, STABILITY TO THE PANELS AND ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS WILL BE THE SAME COLOR, WHICH IS BLACK.
UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE APPLICANT'S SHINGLE THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE EXISTING HOUSE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S A DARK, UH, CHARCOAL SHINGLED ROOF.
SO WITH THAT, WE, UH, REVIEWED THE REVIEW CRITERIA.
UM, EITHER THE CRITERIA IS MET OR THEY'RE NOT APPLICABLE, AND WE WERE EAGER TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE APPLICATION.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT EITHER THE CODE OR THE APPLICATION ITSELF.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT, UM, MR. CHRISTENSEN, LIKE TO DO A PRESENTATION? AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
ANDREW CHRISTENSEN, 56 FRANKLIN STREET, DUBLIN, OHIO.
UM, YEAH, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND WE'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH STAFF, UM, TO, TO GET, GET TO THIS POINT, UM, FROM, FROM THE BEGINNING.
AS STATED, IT'S BEEN OUR PRIORITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PANELS ARE AS CONCEALED AS POSSIBLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ALLEY IN THE BACK, UH, MILL LANE AND THE VEGETATION IS QUITE MATURE.
UM, SO MUCH SO THAT IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO SEE THAT THE, THE PANELS ARE THERE.
SO, UM, I DON'T WANNA MENTION RISING COSTS OF, UH, UTILITIES AND SUCH.
I THINK EVERYBODY EXPERIENCES THAT, BUT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR THAT REASON, AND WE PLAN TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN RESIDENCE HERE FOR A FEW MORE DECADES TO COME.
SO, UM, PANELS WILL BE PUT TO GOOD USE AND WILL BE MAINTAINED AS NECESSARY.
AND, UM, YEAH, I WOULD WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS IF, IF THERE ARE ANY.
DOES THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, SO I ASSUME THAT THE NUMBER OF PANELS ARE RELATED TO THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY YOU'RE GONNA NEED FOR THE HOUSE.
WILL YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL ELECTRICITY? DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, AN AGREEMENT TO BE ABLE TO SELL EXCESS OR YOU'LL JUST BE PRODUCING JUST FOR YOUR HOUSE? YEAH.
IS THAT, HOW IS IT WITH SIZED? JUST, UM, GREAT QUESTION.
UM, WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT, UH, LEASING THE PANELS OR SELLING THE ENERGY
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BACK.UM, A EP REQUIRES THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UM, MORE PANELS THAN WHAT OUR USAGE, UM, IS.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE, IT'S, IT, IT, THE PANELS COVER ABOUT 90% OF OUR USAGE.
UM, AND, UM, YEAH, SO VERY EXCITING.
HOW HAVE YOU HAD PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WITH SOLAR? UM, I OWN A ROOFING COMPANY AND WE HAVE HAD QUITE A BIT OF EXPERIENCE OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS, UH, WITH, WITH SOLAR INSTALLATIONS AND PANELS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN AN EXCITING WAY.
I THINK THE, THE TECHNOLOGY'S THERE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING MORE EFFICIENT, ALTHOUGH THE TAX CODE IS GOING AWAY THIS YEAR, SO I ASSUME, UH, I WILL NOT BE THE LAST UP HERE, UM, UH, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR PROPOSING FOR, FOR PANELS TO BE INSTALLED.
SO, BUT YEAH, I'VE SEEN THEM LAST, UM, SYSTEMS LAST A GOOD 30 YEARS, SO THANK YOU.
YOU GOOD? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? I'M GOOD.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DO NOT.
I'LL LET TO ENTERTAIN A MOMENT.
OH, I, I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
UM, THIS BEING THE FIRST APPLICATION WE'VE HAD FOR SOLAR, UM, UH, I BELIEVE IT'D BE A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE FOR FUTURE APPLICANTS.
UH, I LIKE THEIR, UH, UH, THE WAY THE PANELS ARE REALLY AN OBTRUSIVE.
UM, I WALK BY THAT AREA FREQUENTLY.
I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE POSITIONING OF THE PANELS.
I, I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR FUTURE APPLICANTS.
UM, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE APPLICATION AND I THINK IT WAS, I APPRECIATE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WORKING TOGETHER, UH, TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
I THINK IT'S VERY WELL DONE AND SHOULD BE A PRIME EXAMPLE IF WE DO GET MORE IN THE DISTRICT.
AND IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW TO ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF ROOF MOUNTED SOLAR PANELS ON A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE AS PROPOSED IN CASE NUMBER 25 DASH SEVEN FOUR MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.
I'LL SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I NEED TO GO BACK TO OUR FIRST CASE, 25 0 5 9 MPR AND ASK IF THERE WAS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT THERE WASN'T.
I LIKE TO HEAR THAT WHEN I FORGOT TO ASK FOR IT.
[Case #25-071MPR ]
UM, CASE NUMBER 25 0 7.OH SEVEN ONE MPR 85 FRANKLIN STREET MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW FRONT PORCH EDITION AND SEPARATE REAR SHED STRUCTURE FOR A RESIDENT ON RESIDENCE ON A 0.3 ACRE SITE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE SITE IS ZONED HD HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL, AND MS UM, HOLT WILL BE PRESENTING.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS.
THIS IS A 0.3 ACRE LOT AND AS THE CHAIR SAID THIS, THE SITE IS ZONED HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL AS SHOWN HERE ON THE MAP.
I WANNA PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT FOR THIS CASE, UH, 'CAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE.
IN 2023 AND 2024, CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED UPDATES TO OUR GUIDELINES.
AND IN THIS PROCESS WE IDENTIFIED SOME FUNDAMENTAL GOALS FOR BACKGROUND PROPERTIES.
AND THIS IS INDEED A BACKGROUND STRUCTURE IN THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION, MEANING FRANKLIN STREET.
THE PRIMARY GOAL WAS TO MAINTAIN THE CONSISTENT BUILDING DISTANCE FROM THE ROAD.
THE DISTANCE HERE IS SHOWN BY THE ORANGE LINE ON THE MAP, AND IT IS CONSISTENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AND ON THE WEST SIDE, IT'S APPROXIMATELY A 60 FOOT SETBACK OF SECONDARY IMPORTANCE WAS IDENTIFIED AS BUILDING FORM AND WE NOTED
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THAT THE OTHER PORCHES ON FRANKLIN ARE WITHIN THE ROOF LINE, NOT PROJECTING FORWARD.SO THESE ARE THE TWO ITEMS THAT STAFF USE TO EVALUATE THIS APPLICATION AND THEY WERE FELT TO BE, UH, THE MAJOR PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER.
I ALSO WANNA QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE EFFORT THAT WE, UM, PARTOOK TO GET TO THOSE GUIDELINES.
'CAUSE IT WAS QUITE A PROTRACTED EFFORT.
UH, WE STARTED IN 2022 AND WE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH CITY COUNCIL, THE A RB AND DISTRICT OWNERS.
AND A KEY GOAL AMONG OTHERS WAS TO BETTER ADDRESS BACKGROUND REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THIS WAS A SPECIFIC REQUEST OF THE RESIDENTS AND AGAIN, WE DEVELOPED THESE FUNDAMENTAL GOALS OF CONSISTENT BUILDING PLACEMENT FORM AND MASSING, FENESTRATION AND ROOF FORM.
WE HAD EVENTUAL ADOPTION IN EARLY 2024 AFTER TWO FURTHER, UH, DISTRICT OWNER MEETINGS AND THEN POST-ADOPTION, WE FOLLOWED UP WITH AN ANNUAL LETTER TO ALL OWNERS IN THE DISTRICT THAT WE SEND OUT EVERY YEAR OUTLINING THAT, UM, NEW GUIDELINES WERE IN PLACE AND PROVIDING A HYPERLINK FOR THAT.
UM, WE ALSO HAD OFFICE HOURS EACH MONTH OF 2024 TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON THIS.
SO GETTING BACK TO THE APPLICATION AT HAND, WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE A BUILDING LOCATION COMPARISON.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, UM, GRAPHIC HERE.
WE ADDED THE ORANGE LINE SHOWING THAT CONSISTENT BUILDING LOCATION ALONG THE STREET.
UH, THE PROPOSED PORCH IS IN GRAY AND IT DOES PROJECT BEYOND THAT LINE.
TAKING A LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC SITE PLAN, WE SEE THE VARIOUS PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.
A NEW SHED IS LOCATED HERE THAT WILL REPLACE AN EXISTING SHED, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE BACK, UM, YARD OUTSIDE OF THE MODERN SETBACKS.
AND THEN THE NEW FRONT PORCH IS LOCATED HERE.
THE PORCH ELEVATION SHOWS, UH, THE PORCH SPANNING, UH, MOST OF THE MAIN MASS OF THE HOUSE.
AND STAFF FEELS THAT THIS FUNCTIONS REALLY MORE AS AN ADDITION THAN A PORCH FORM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MASS OF THE ROOF BEING SO VISIBLE.
FRONT ADDITIONS ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY THE GUIDELINES.
NEVERTHELESS, WE DO APPRECIATE THE DESIRE TO HAVE A FRONT PORCH.
AND WE ALSO NOTE THAT THE CODE ENCOURAGES THIS IN THE HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO WE LOOKED FOR WAYS TO COMPROMISE AND MITIGATE, AND WE MADE SOME SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, A POTENTIAL EXAMPLE FOR CONSIDERATION IS ON THE RIGHT.
AND THIS SHOWS A SIGNIFICANTLY INSET PORTICO WITH THE PORCH EDGES BETWEEN THE WINDOWS STILL PROVIDES AMPLE SITTING AREA.
THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE FORM IS MITIGATED BY A FLAT OR ALMOST FLAT ROOF.
IT HAS PROPORTIONAL COLUMNS WITH CLASSICAL SPACING AND A SIMPLIFIED DESIGN.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE NOT BY ANY MEANS SUGGESTING A PORCH THIS ORNATE.
WE'RE SIMPLY LOOKING AT THE FORM HERE.
AND WHAT MIGHT BE THAT, THAT GOOD SWEET SPOT BETWEEN THE CODE, THE GUIDELINES, AND THE DESIRE OF THE APPLICANTS.
THE PORCH MATERIALS INCLUDE GLEN GARY, THIN BRICK, AND ABERDEEN THIN BRICK HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN LOW VISIBILITY LOCATIONS SUCH AS 94 FRANKLIN.
UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY SET BACK FROM THE STREET SOME, AND IT WILL JUST BE IN THAT LOW EDGE OF THE PORCH.
UM, STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF IS PROPOSED.
UH, IT IS SHOWN IN A DOVE GRAY COLOR.
THERE IS ALSO A HARDY BOARD TRIM IN COBBLESTONE, WHICH IS A PRE-FINISHED HARDY PAINT COLOR, IF YOU WILL.
THE SAMPLE IS UP FRONT, UM, FIVE INCH OG GUTTERS.
WE NEED SOME COLOR INFORMATION ON THAT AND A POURED CONCRETE
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WALKWAY FOR THE SHED.THE ELEVATIONS ARE PRESENTED HERE AND WE FOUND NO CONCERNS WITH THE REQUEST MEETS THE GUIDELINE SUGGESTIONS.
AND THE MATERIALS INCLUDE GAF TIMBERLINE ASPHALT SHINGLES AND WEATHERED WOOD HARDY SIDING IN A SMOOTH TEXTURE AND SMOOTH TRIM.
AND THEN THE COLORS ARE, AGAIN, THE PRE-FINISHED IN MONTEREY TOPE AND COBBLESTONE AGAIN WITH THE SAMPLES UP FRONT FOR THE PORCH REQUEST.
THE MAJORITY OF THE CRITERIA ARE NOT YET MET.
HOWEVER, WE DO FEEL THAT THE REQUEST COULD MEET THE CRITERIA WITH SOME DESIGN MODIFICATIONS AS DETAILED IN THE REPORT FOR THE SHED REQUEST.
ALL CRITERIA ARE MET OR ARE NOT APPLICABLE.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DISAPPROVAL OF THE PORCH REQUEST WITH THE FINDINGS IN THE REPORT AND APPROVAL OF THE SHED WITH NO CONDITIONS.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND COULD YOU TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE? THANK YOU.
HEIDI BALLARD, SIMPLIFIED LIVING ARCHITECTURE.
DO YOU NEED THE ADDRESS? FIVE FOUR.
HI, I AM ERIN FRANK, 85 FRANKLIN STREET, HOMEOWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
SO YEAH, JUST TO ADD TO THIS, UM, WE HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF ON THIS AND THEY HAD GIVEN US, UM, A FEW DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS AS WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THIS.
UM, A COUPLE WERE ORIGINALLY THE, WE HAD THE PORCH GOING FROM CORNER TO CORNER AND THE BRICK FACADE OF THE HOUSE, AND THEY REQUESTED THAT WE PULL IT IN, SO THERE WAS NO COLUMNS IN FRONT OF WINDOWS.
AND WE WENT AHEAD AND WE UPDATED THAT.
THEY HAD ALSO REQUESTED THAT AT THE CORNICE, THAT WE ADD ADDITIONAL TRIM, SO THAT MATCHES THE DENTAL MOLDING OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, WHICH WE DID THAT AS WELL.
THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP THIS EVENING, UM, WERE NOT MENTIONED TO US PREVIOUSLY.
UM, AND THEN THE ONE THING JUST TO NOTE AS WELL, WE ARE WELL WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF KEEPING ALL OF THE HOMES ALONG FRANKLIN STREET WITHIN THAT LINE.
HOWEVER, THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A FRONT PORCH ON THEIR HOME TO ENJOY THE COMMUNITY.
SO I KNOW THAT IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT A PORCH BE PUT ON THE REAR OF THEIR HOME INSTEAD OF THE FRONT OF THEIR HOME.
HOWEVER, LOOKING AT THEIR NEIGHBOR'S HOMES INSTEAD OF A CEMETERY IS A MUCH BETTER VIEW.
UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST JUST TO MENTION, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, WE DO ARCHITECTURE ALL ACROSS CENTRAL OHIO, AND EVEN WITHIN COMMUNITIES WHERE WE HAVE IN UPPER ARLINGTON, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THEIR HOMES MIGHT BE SET RIGHT ON THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, THEY EVEN ALLOW THEIR RESIDENTS TO BUILD UP TO SIX FEET IN A DEPTH OF A FRONT PORCH WITH NO MINIMUM OF A WIDTH TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO ADD FRONT PORCHES TO THE FRONT OF THEIR HOMES.
SO AGAIN, I'M ERIN HOMEOWNER HERE.
WE'VE LIVED AT THIS PROPERTY TWO DECADES, TWO PLUS DECADES.
WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FULL STOP.
UH, THAT'S PART OF WHAT DREW US TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WHEN WE MOVED IN LA SHETA LANE, UH, WHERE LATA LANE IS NOW.
IT WAS A DERELICT PARKING LOT, UM, HAD WEEDS GROWING UP IN IT.
AND WE'VE ABSOLUTELY LOVED EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT SAID, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY NEVER DO ANYTHING TO, UM, DISCREDIT OR, UM, IMPACT THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS, UH, INTO THE PORCH.
UH, PART OF THE MOTIVATION ON WHY WE WANTED THE FULL LENGTH.
UM, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE WALKED THE STREET OR WALKED PAST OUR PROPERTY, WE USED TO HAVE A LEGACY, UH, HACKBERRY TREE OUT IN THE FRONT YARD THAT PROVIDED SHADE THROUGHOUT
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THE SUMMERTIME.UH, WE LAUNCHED THAT IN A STORM ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
WENT OUT WITH A TOUCHLESS THERMOMETER ON THE FRONT DOOR.
IT WAS 165 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT.
WE WANT THE FRONT PORCH TO PROVIDE SOME SOLAR SHADING ON THAT FRONT FACADE ACROSS THE WINDOWS.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST BAKING ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
WE HAVE BLINDS THAT WE PULL THAT TRY TO REFLECT THAT ARE WHITE, THAT ARE REFLECTING THE LIGHT BACK OUT, BUT IT'S STILL, YOU CAN WALK PAST THE FRONT DOOR AND YOU FEEL THE HEAT JUST RADIATING LIKE YOU'RE WALKING IN FRONT OF AN OVEN.
PART OF THE MOTIVATION HERE IS TO PROVIDE SOME OF THAT SHADE.
UM, WE WOULD NOT, AGAIN, PROPOSE ANYTHING THAT WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD DETRACT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DETRACT FROM THE STREET THAT WOULD OFFEND ANY OF OUR VALUED NEIGHBORS HERE OR DETRACT FROM ANY OF THE HISTORIC CONTRIBUTIONS.
HERE WE HAVE GONE AS FAR TWO YEAR, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, THE CITY WENT AND INSTALLED SIDEWALKS AND, UH, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THAT.
UH, WE, UH, APPROACHED CITY COUNCIL AND, UH, ATTEMPTED TO COMPEL THE CITY TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES THAT BEING, UH, THERE SHOULD BE BRICK.
UH, THAT WAS A PREFERRED, UM, BUILDING MATERIAL IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, COUNCIL APPROVED IT, BUT THEN, UH, WHEN IT CAME CLOSE TO THE, UM, TO THE TIME OF DOING THE WORK, THE CITY WENT BACK AND CHANGED IT BACK TO A POURED CONCRETE THAT WAS ORTHOGONAL TO THE GUIDELINES, UH, FOR THE SIDEWALKS.
AND SO WE WERE FRUSTRATED BY THAT, THAT THE CITY COULD, UM, ESSENTIALLY NEGLECT THE GUIDELINES.
UH, THEIR ARGUMENT WAS, WE ARE NOT BOUND BY THE A RB, WE DO NOT NEED TO FOLLOW THE A RB BECAUSE THIS IS IN PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND SO WE DO NOT TAKE THAT OPINION.
WE DO NOT APPROACH IT THIS WAY.
WE, WE ARE THOUGHTFUL AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE FRONT PORCH AS IT IS HERE, UH, WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO, UH, WE'VE INCORPORATED THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVE FROM CITY, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE, THE MASSING AND THE SIZING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE HOUSE.
AND I THINK, UH, WHEN IT'S SAID AND DONE, I THINK PEOPLE THAT WILL WALK PAST IT WILL THINK THAT IT'S A ELEGANT AND BEAUTIFUL ADDITION TO THE HOME.
OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T BE DOING THAT.
CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME AGAIN WHAT, UM, HAS BEEN A PROPOSED AND WHAT YOU HAVE AGREED TO AS OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY BROUGHT? SO I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY YOU DID AGREE TO BRINGING THE PORCH IN AS SUGGESTED IN THE PICTURE THAT WE HAD AS AN EXAMPLE, ALTHOUGH CERTAINLY NOT THAT STYLE.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO NO, WE HAD NOT AGREED TO THAT.
WE HAD BEEN REQUESTED ORIGINALLY.
UM, OUR APPLICATION INCLUDED A PORCH THAT WENT FROM THE CORNER, BOTH LIKE THE NORTH AND SIDE SOUTH SIDES OF THE HOME, LIKE THOSE CORNERS.
SO THE ROOF, THE METAL ROOF ACTUALLY EXPANDED PAST, UM, THE BRICK.
SO WE BROUGHT THAT IN, UM, I THINK IT WAS 18 INCHES ON EACH SIDE, JUST SO THE ROOF WOULD BE, UM, DYING INTO THE BRICK AS SHOWN IN THE ELEVATION.
AND YEAH, I JUST LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, THE HOME THAT'S SHOWN AS AN EXAMPLE HERE IS JUST, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT STYLE THAN WHAT THE EXISTING HOME IS.
IT HAS A VERY LARGE AND TABLATURE UP THERE BY THE ROOF.
IT HAS THE TRIM PIECES THAT ARE, UM, AT THE CORNERS, THOSE VERY WIDE TRIM PIECES, WHICH YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE A PORCH THAT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE CORNERS OF THAT EXAMPLE.
OR THE HOME IN THAT EXAMPLE, LIKE THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THE EXISTING DETAILS THAT ARE IN OR ON THAT HOME.
WHEREAS THIS BRICK HOME, LIKE IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE BRICK COINS AT THE CORNERS.
SO IT, WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY FROM ANY DETAILS THAT ARE THERE IN THE BRICK STRUCTURE.
SO YOU'RE, YOU WANT TO HAVE THE PORCH INCLUDE ALL THE WINDOWS AS OPPOSED TO MOVING IT IN BETWEEN, BETWEEN WINDOWS ESSENTIALLY.
PART OF THAT MO AGAIN, PART OF THE MOTIVATION WAS FOR THE SOLAR COMPONENT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CODE, IT SAYS A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET FOR THE, UH, FOR THE DEPTH OF THE, OF THE PORCH.
ORIGINALLY WHEN WE FIRST WENT INTO IT, WE WERE THINKING OF SOMETHING THAT WAS EXTENDED FURTHER OUT AND THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WE SAID, NO, WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL FOR THE GUIDELINES.
WE WANT TO BRING THAT BACK IN A LITTLE BIT.
WE WANT TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT UNIFORM SETBACK,
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UH, FROM THE STREET AS IT IS NOW.WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HOMES ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET, UM, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A MISREPRESENTATION IN THE REPORT THAT THE HOMES ARE ALL PARALLEL TO THE ROAD.
THE HOMES AT 75, 85 AND 95 FRANKLIN ARE OFFSET FROM THE ROAD.
THEY'RE PARALLEL TO THE SIDELINE, TO THE SIDE PROPERTY LINES, BUT THEY ARE NOT PERPENDICULAR TO THE ROAD.
AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE IS A NON-UNIFORM DISTANCE FROM THE ROAD.
SO ON MY PROPERTY, UH, THE DISTANCE AT THE NORTH EAST CORNER IS 59 FEET FROM THE STREET, AND ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER IT'S 86 OR UH, 68 FEET.
AND SO WHEN WE LOOK IN TOTALITY HERE, AND AS YOU WALK THROUGH HERE, BEING AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PORCH, WE ARE STILL ABOUT 53 FEET OFF OF THE ROAD.
SO WE ARE STILL SUBSTANTIALLY FURTHER OFF OF THE ROAD THAN OUR NEIGHBORS ON THE EAST SIDE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE, I THINK IT'S AT 1 23 FRANKLIN STREET, WE ARE ABOUT TWO FEET, UH, BEYOND THAT PROPERTY, UH, FROM THE FRONT EDGE OF THAT HOME.
SO WE ARE AGAIN STILL TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT SETBACK, UH, FROM THE STREET.
UM, AND, AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING MASSIVE, BUT WE WANT IT TO BE FITTING WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE, FITTING WITHIN THE CHA CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND, AND WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
AND I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'VE ACHIEVED THAT.
DID YOU CONSIDER THE OTHER TWO, UM, UH, COMMENTS THAT, THAT STAFF HAD? THE ROOF ANGLE AND THE ROOF TYPE? THE ROOF ANGLES AT A THREE 12 PITCH WAS, WHICH IS CONSIDERED A, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY LOW PITCH, UM, FOR A ROOF.
UM, SO WE HAD CONSIDERED IT GOING A LITTLE BIT LOWER TO A TWO 12, BUT IT, THE WAY THAT IT LEFT THE EXPOSED BRICK ABOVE, IT JUST DIDN'T CREATE BALANCE WITHIN THE FACADE OF THE HOME.
AND THEN GOING ALL THE WAY TO A FLAT ROOF WAS NOT SOMETHING WE CONSIDERED BECAUSE WITH HAVING THE, UM, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SAMPLE OR THE EXAMPLE PICTURE? THANK YOU.
UM, LIKE THAT ALSO THAT PORCH HAS A REALLY LARGE CORNICE.
UM, IT ALSO HAS REALLY TALL COLUMNS.
UM, SO LIKE THAT'S NOT REALLY PROTECTING, LIKE PROVIDING A LOT OF PROTECTION IF SOMEBODY'S SITTING OUT ON THE FRONT PORCH JUST FROM SOLAR GAIN.
ALSO JUST PROVIDING THE SOLAR GAIN INTO THE HOME.
IT'S THE, THE ROOF IS JUST GETTING TOO LARGE.
I DON'T, AND HONESTLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A PORCH THAT TALL FITS IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FRANKLIN STREET WHATSOEVER.
AND, AND PART OF IT TOO IS THAT IF WE, UH, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF THE MASSING AT THE FRONT, WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THAT.
AND SO, UH, ORIGINALLY PART OF THE IDEA, ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS HAVE THAT ROOF LINE UP TO THE BOTTOM SILL OF THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS.
IF YOU LOOK ONLINE, THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES OF HOMES OF THIS STYLE THAT DO THAT.
AND WE SAID, NO, WE DON'T THINK THAT COMPLIES WITH THE GUIDELINES.
WE WANNA BRING THAT DOWN SO THAT THE MASSING THAT YOU SEE FROM THE STREET OF THE ROOF AND THE FACADE THERE OF THE PORCH IS DIMINISHED.
AND SO AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLY AND, AND BE RESPECTFUL OF THE GUIDE GUIDELINES AND, AND BE CONSISTENT WITH, UM, WITH WHAT WE'RE ACHIEVE, WHAT WE WANT TO DO, BUT BE RESPECTFUL OF THE GUIDELINES AT THE SAME TIME.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS ALSO MENTION OF THE FRONT DOOR BEING LIKE A DIFFERENT, LIKE DOESN'T MATCH WITH THE STYLE, BUT THAT IS THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR.
THAT'S WELL, AND YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE, I FORGET WHAT THE TOP PIECE IS CALLED ON TOP OF THE DOOR CORNICE CORN? NO, NO.
THE VERY TOP OF IT THAT'S HAS THE SCROLL ON IT.
IT'S BEING REMOVED AND WE'RE JUST ADDING A, A THIN CAP TO THAT.
UM, DID YOU CONSIDER ANY OTHER MATERIAL LIKE TO MATCH THE ROOF TO THE ROOF OF THE HOUSE RATHER THAN STANDING SEAM? STANDING SEAM MAKES THE, THE PORCH STAND OUT FROM THE HOUSE.
WE CONSIDERED IT, BUT THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER HOMES WITHIN THE DISTRICT THAT HAVE STANDING SEAM ROOF.
AND THAT'S WHAT, YEAH, AGAIN, IT WAS SOMETHING THE HOMEOWNERS PREFERRED.
IT, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE PREFERRED.
WE LIKED THE LOOK OF THE, OF THE STANDING SEAM.
WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE ROAD.
UH, IT WAS JUST UP HERE TALKING ABOUT SOLAR PANELS.
I, I NOTICED THAT
UH, WE THINK THEY DID AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL JOB.
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WE THINK IT'S A INCREDIBLE ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST TO HAVE PEOPLE AS YOU'RE OUT THERE WALKING AND YOU CAN ENGAGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEE THE PEOPLE TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS.UH, WE THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE JUST INCREDIBLY POSITIVE ATTRIBUTES OF A, OF A FRONT PORCH SUCH AS THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? SARAH? OH, OH NO, GO AHEAD.
UM, SO CURRENTLY THIS ISN'T RECOMMENDED TO BE APPROVED.
ARE THERE, OF WHAT IS BEING ASKED BY STEPH, IS THERE ANY PIECE OF THAT THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER, WHICH IT'S KIND OF HARD TO ONLY CONSIDER A PIECE, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU'VE CONSIDERED YES.
YEAH, WE HAD CONSIDERED THOSE, BUT SOME OF THOSE ALSO HADN'T, UM, BEEN BROUGHT UP UNTIL WE RECEIVED THE REPORT FURTHER THIS WEEK.
COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT TELLING ME ABOUT THAT? YEAH.
AND COULD YOU, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE MIC? I'M HAVING A LOT OF DIFFICULTY HEARING YOU.
YOU'RE BOTH AWAY FROM THE MIC.
UM, CAN YOU BRING THAT LIST BACK UP PLEASE? WHICH ONE? THE RECOMMENDATION.
OH, THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MADE ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE NPR ITSELF.
SO ARE YOU REFERRING TO WHAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT THEN? NOT WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
YES, YOU HAD, UM, WHICH ONE ARE WE DOING? UM, YEAH, MS. BOLLARD, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE THINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT OR MENTIONED TONIGHT THAT YOU HAD NOT HEARD BEFORE.
WHAT ARE THOSE? WELL, THOSE WERE THE STAFF REPORT.
WHAT ARE THEY, WHAT SPECIFICALLY? THE, UM, S BEING BETWEEN THAT WAS NOT MENTIONED BEFORE.
WE RECEIVED THE STAFF REPORT LAST OR ON FRIDAY OR MONDAY.
SO TO CLARIFY, PRIOR TO THE STAFF REPORT, YOU HAD NOT HEARD THAT YOU NEEDED TO BRING THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE IN.
NOT JUST THE 18 INCHES AT EACH END, BUT INTO THAT THEY WERE SUGGESTING IT COME IN ALL THE WAY CORRECT.
TO ONLY INCLUDE TWO WINDOWS, NOT FOUR, CORRECT.
THE COUPLE THINGS THAT THEY HAD, UM, MENTIONED TO US, UM, PRIOR TO US GIVING THEM THE FINAL APPLICATION WITH THE REVISIONS IN IT WERE JUST TO BRING IT IN.
SO THERE WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE 18 INCHES THAT WE DID FROM THE CORNERS SO THAT THERE WOULD BE NO COLUMNS IN FRONT OF WINDOWS.
UM, AND THEY HAD RECOMMENDED US ADDING THE DENTAL MOLDING, UM, AROUND THE, UM, FASCIA, THE FREEZE BOARD OF THE PORCH.
THEY HAD MENTIONED, UM, THEY HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE GO TO, UM, THE SHINGLED ROOF IN LIEU OF THE METAL ROOF.
HOWEVER, THE HOMEOWNERS PREFER THE METAL ROOF.
THE OTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THAT REPORT WAS, CAN HEAR ME? YEAH, SORRY.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS, UH, IN THE REPORT WAS POTENTIALLY ADDING ANOTHER SET OF COLUMNS, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE COLUMN, I FORGET HOW IT WAS THE, THE HEIGHT RATIO TO THE WIDTH OF THE SPACING BETWEEN THE COLUMNS.
UM, UH, THERE WAS SOME, UM, CONSTERNATION OVER, OVER THAT RATIO OF THE HEIGHT OF THE COLUMN VERSUS THE WIDTH.
UM, AFTER WE, WE RECEIVED THAT IN THE PLANNING REPORT, UH, WE REVIEWED IT, UM, AFTER SOME REFLECTION, THAT'S NOT A BAD ADDITION.
I THINK WE COULD LIVE WITH HAVING SIX COLUMNS ACROSS THAT, UM, ACROSS THE FRONT WITH ANOTHER COLUMN BETWEEN THE TWO WINDOWS.
UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BE A GOOD ADDITION POTENTIALLY.
AND, AND WE WOULD WELCOME SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, IF THAT'S WHAT, WHAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE.
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THAT, THE ADDING LIKE MORE COLUMNS SO THAT THERE WAS LESS SPACE BETWEEN THE COLUMNS WAS NOT MENTIONED.PREVIOUSLY WE DID NOT SEE THAT RECOMMENDATION UNTIL WE RECEIVED THE STAFF REPORT ON FRIDAY, BUT WE, WE DID MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE ELEVATIONS IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT.
CAN I HAND THEM OUT? YES, YOU CAN APPROACH.
I HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION AS WELL.
UM, THE FINAL DIMENSIONS OF THE PORCH ITSELF ARE WHAT WITH YOUR, IN YOUR PROPOSAL.
AND I'LL HAVE TO LET HEIDI SPEAK TO THE WIDTH.
I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER FROM MEMORY.
SO AM I ACCURATE IN UNDERSTANDING THAT BEFORE TONIGHT'S MEETING, YOU WEREN'T AWARE THAT THE STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING THAT THE ROOF, UH, ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO HAVE THE ROOF JUST COVER THE DOOR AND THE TWO SIDE WINDOWS, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THAT, THAT SUGGESTION, THAT RECOMMENDATION IS NEW TO YOU THIS EVENING, CORRECT.
I'M SORRY, I DID YOU NOT SAY YOU RECEIVED THE STAFF REPORT ON FRIDAYS WHEN YOU GOT THAT INFORMATION? NOT, NOT TODAY, BUT FRIDAY, BUT STILL, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
ALSO, JUST TO MENTION LIKE THE PORT OR THE EXAMPLE THAT'S SHOWN UP THERE, IT HAS A MUCH BIGGER FRONT DOOR WITH THE SIDELIGHTS, AND SO THAT PORCH IS STILL A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, THAT PORCH IS LARGER THAN WHAT OUR PORT OR THEIR PORCH WOULD BE IF IT WAS BROUGHT INTO BEING CENTERED BETWEEN THOSE WINDOWS.
WHAT I HEAR YOU SUGGESTING IS THIS PICTURE ISN'T REALLY HELPFUL TO US IN THIS DISCUSSION OF THIS CASE.
THAT IS CORRECT BY, BECAUSE IT'S DEEPER AND SHORTER, AND BECAUSE THE HOUSE ITSELF IS IN SMALLER SCALE OR, OR TALLER, THERE'S JUST DIFFERENT PROPORTIONS OF THAT HOME THAN WHAT THEIR ACTUAL HOME HAS, THE PROPO THAT MATCHES THE PROPORTIONS OF THEIR HOME.
I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE BETWEEN YOU TWO.
SORRY, MS. HOLTZ, COULD YOU RESPOND TO, UH, TO ANYTHING YOU WANT TO, BUT SPECIFICALLY TO THE THOUGHT THAT THE, UH, FIRST TIME YOU'VE MENTIONED TO THE, UM, APPLICANT ABOUT A, A SMALLER PORCH WAS IN THE REPORT GIVEN TO THEM ON FRIDAY? THAT WAS IN OUR INITIAL COMMENTS FOR THE FORMAL NPR AND IT WAS TALKED ABOUT VERY SPECIFICALLY ALONG WITH THE GUIDELINES AT OUR PRE-SUBMIT MEETING AND WHEN WERE BOTH OF THOSE TIMES.
THAT WAS THE PRE-SUBMIT WAS BEFORE THE APPLICATION WAS EVEN MADE, AND THEN THE INITIAL COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED PROBABLY TWO WEEKS INTO THE SIX WEEK REVIEW CYCLE.
AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
I ALSO NOTICED THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, OUR LAST APPLICANT HAS A SIMILAR PORCH.
CAN YOU DIG IT UP? YES, I CAN.
THAT HOUSE WAS, OR THAT ADDITION SERIES OF ADDITIONS WAS APPROVED IN ABOUT 2017 OR 2018 BEFORE OUR CURRENT CODE AND BEFORE THE CURRENT GUIDELINES.
IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE BOARD AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THE CODE THAT WE USE NOW IN 2021.
IT'S, IT IS ONE EXAMPLE OF, UM, WHAT THE BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL DETERMINED WE DID NOT WANT TO CONTINUE DOING.
AND WITH THE 20 23, 24 GUIDELINE UPDATES, WE LOOKED VERY, VERY CLOSELY AT FRANKLIN STREET BECAUSE THIS IS OUR ONLY ENTIRELY BACKGROUND NEIGHBORHOOD WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
AND WE REALLY CAME TO THOSE FIVE KEY FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENTS THAT WE WANTED TO PRESERVE FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IT WASN'T SO MUCH THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, BUT THOSE FOUNDATIONAL CORE ELEMENTS THAT I MENTIONED IN MY PRESENTATION AND IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE WORDS ARE CHOSEN VERY CAREFULLY HERE.
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THE EXAMPLE IN THE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE SCREEN IS A POTENTIAL MASSING SOLUTION.SO AGAIN, NOT THE DETAIL, UH, NOT THE STYLE OF COLUMNS, NOT THE STYLE OF BUILDING E EVEN, BUT THE TYPE OF PORCH THAT IS INCLUDED WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO THREAD THAT NEEDLE BETWEEN THE VERY SPECIFIC WORK THAT WAS DONE WITH THE LAST GUIDELINES UPDATE AND THE DESIRES OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, ANY OTHER JUST QUESTIONS I WANNA ASK ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE, UH, I JUST WANTED TO HEAR AGAIN, BESIDES THE SEVEN FOOT DEPTH OF THE PROPOSED PORCH AS THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT IT, WHAT IS THE WIDTH? 29 FOOT 10 AND A HALF INCHES.
AND I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT, UM, KNOWING THAT THIS INFORMATION IS NEW TO YOU, UH, WHETHER JUST IN THE LAST FEW DAYS ABOUT MOVING THE PORCH, THE SIDES OF THE PORCH IN JUST TO COVER THE CENTER WINDOWS.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D CONSIDER? SO ORIGINALLY WE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THOSE OPTIONS.
SO HAVING A PORTICO OVER THE, OVER THE DOOR, EXTENDING IT TO THE WINDOWS OR HAVING IT COVER THE ENTIRE, ALL FIVE WINDOWS OR ALL FIVE BAYS.
THERE AGAIN, IT CAME DOWN TO THAT SOLAR SHADE.
WE LOST THE TREE, THE HOUSE INSIDE JUST BAKES IN THE SUMMER, AGAIN, TAKING A THERMOMETER TO THE, OUT TO THE DOOR.
AND SO ANYTHING PART OF IT IS, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT PLACE A LITTLE BIT COOLER.
UH, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS STAFF HAD WAS, UH, PLANT SHADE TREES.
UM, IT WILL TAKE YEARS FOR THOSE TO GROW UP TO PROVIDE ANY BENEFIT, UH, FROM A, FROM A SHADING PERSPECTIVE.
UH, WE DID PUT IN A LARGE CALIPER RED OAK OUT IN THE FRONT YARD TO REPLACE THE HACKBERRY.
UM, AND IT'S PROBABLY 20 SOME FEET TALL AT THIS POINT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S STILL NOT TALL ENOUGH TO PROVIDE ANY SORT OF, OF SHADING THERE.
UH, PART OF THAT TOO IS BECAUSE THE HOUSE SETS SEVERAL FEET ABOVE THE STREET.
UH, IT'S NOT RIGHT AT STREET LEVEL.
THERE'S A HILL, A RISE IN THE FRONT YARD UP TO THE HOUSE.
SO NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TREE THAT'S TALL ENOUGH TO COVER THE FRONT, YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE IT TALL ENOUGH TO GO PROBABLY ABOUT THIS HIGH UP AND ABOVE.
SO REALLY YOUR GOAL HERE IS SUN PROTECTION.
IT'S NOT COMPLETELY THE DRIVER.
UH, WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED A FRONT PORCH.
WE LOVE BEING OUT, WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE, WE LOVE ENGAGING IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO, UM, WE'VE THOUGHT DIFFERENT TIMES WHAT WE'LL JUST TAKE, UH, FOLDING CHAIRS AND SET 'EM OUT IN THE FRONT.
WE DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD LOOK FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
JUST HAVING A, A FOLDING CHAIR, A A BEACH CHAIR THAT WE JUST BRING OUT IN THE EVENING AND SIT OUT THERE AND AND TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS.
WE JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD LOOK.
AND SO AGAIN, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL FOR THE DISTRICT.
WE THINK THAT, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS APPROACH HERE IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THE DISTRICT.
UM, AS WE LOOK THROUGH THE CODE, THERE ARE NO CODE VIOLATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
IT, IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO PREFERENCE AND OPINION ON WHAT DO WE LIKE OR DON'T LIKE.
AND, AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE I THINK WE ARE AT THIS POINT.
MS. HOLT, THE, AND I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE.
I WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR THIS WEEK, SO I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DRIVE BY.
YEAH, WE HAD, I JUST GOT IN VERY LATE LAST NIGHT.
UM, THAT STREET, DO MOST OF THE HOUSES HAVE FRONT PORCHES OR NOT CLEARLY ACROSS THE STREET DOES THEY HAVE FRONT PORCHES AND THEY ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THE ROOF FORM OF THE HOUSES.
SO THE EAVES PROJECT WAY OVER.
THE I UNDERSTAND WALLS AND THEN THE PORCH IS UNDERNEATH THOSE EAVES EXCEPT FOR THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS CORRECT.
ARE THEY ALL WITHIN THAT SETBACK THAT YOU SAID COUNSEL WAS
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CONCERNED ABOUT? YES.SO IF WE LOOK BACK ON THIS PHOTOGRAPH, UM, THE PORCH FORMS ARE CONTAINED UNDER THE ROOF FORMS, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT LINE TOUCHES AND CREATES THAT CONSISTENT.
IS THAT LINE IN THE GUIDELINES OR IN ORDINANCE? WHERE IS THAT LINE? THE LINE ITSELF IS NOT IN THE GUIDELINES.
HOWEVER, THE, THE STATEMENT THAT IS IN THERE NUMEROUS TIMES IS TO, UM, MAINTAIN THE BUILDING SETBACK.
UM, AND I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION.
I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, COULD YOU SHOW THE DIAGRAM AGAIN THAT SHOWS THE ROOF, UM, INCLUDED THE SAME ANGLE FROM ABOVE WHERE YOU HAVE THE ROOF AND HOW FAR IT PROJECTS, UH, IN FRONT.
AM I CLEAR ON WHICH ONE I'M ASKING FOR THE APPLICANT'S COMPARISON? YES, THAT ONE.
SO IT GOES PAST THE LINE BY SEVEN FEET, BUT BETWEEN, SO IF I REMEMBER YOU SAYING IF THIS WAS ADDED THIS WAY, UH, IT WOULD STILL BE 53 FEET OFF OF THE STREET, CORRECT? MM-HMM
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE AT THE SOUTHERN END OF FRANKLIN STREET, THAT'S IN THE BRETT, THAT'S THE ANCHOR HOUSE ON, UH, FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT SETS AT, UM, I THINK 55 FEET FROM THE STREET.
SO WE ARE, I THINK WE'RE STILL TRYING TO MEET THAT SETBACK AGAIN.
WE WERE ORIGINALLY THINKING MAYBE WE COULD HAVE A DEEPER PORCH, BUT WE WANT, WE BROUGHT IT IN INTENTIONALLY, UH, TO, SO THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BE WITHIN THAT SETBACK.
UH, I'M SORRY TO KEEP ASKING YOU HIS WHOLE QUESTIONS,
UM, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS SEVERAL CONCERNS.
THE SETBACK BEING ONE, THE, UM, THE LENGTH OF THE PORCH, THE SEPARATE ROOF.
WHAT IS THE PRIMARY ONE? BECAUSE YOU DID PROPOSE A SMALLER PORCH THAT'S LESS LONG, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE WITH OUTSIDE THE SETBACK.
IT WOULD BE, AND AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT, THAT SWEET SPOT OF COMPROMISE.
'CAUSE WE DO THINK THAT FRONT PORCHES ARE IMPORTANT AND WE ALSO WANNA HONOR THE GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN FOR THIS LOCATION.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, AGAIN, FIND THAT, FIND THAT, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PRIMARY REASON ARE.
OF WHAT STAFF'S PRIMARY CONCERNS ARE.
SO THE PRIMARY CONCERN IS, UM, THE BUILDING SETBACK, THE CONSISTENT BUILDING LOCATION.
SO THE BUILDING LOCATION ALONG THE STREET, BEING CONSISTENT, UM, THE FORM THAT PROJECTS OUT FROM THE BUILDING WHEN THAT IS CONTRARY TO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT WE THINK THAT THAT CAN BE MITIGATED BY MAKING THE PORCH SMALLER.
CAN I RESPOND TO THAT PLEASE? SO IF YOU GO BACK TO HIGH SCHOOL, HOLD ON, I'M NOT SURE MS. HOL WAS FINISHED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS ARE MEAN, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S PRIMARY CONCERNS YOU WERE GOING THROUGH? THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY CONCERNS AND DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, IT DOES.
OH, SO I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION LIKE THE, THE LINE THERE THAT THE APPLI OR YEAH, THAT COMPARISON, LIKE THAT'S NOT A VERY GOOD REPRESENTATION OF THE FULL STREET THAT IS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AS HE HAD MENTIONED, THE OTHER HOME, DOWN THE STREET BEING MUCH CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN WHAT THIS PORCH IS.
ALSO JUST TO MENTION THAT THIS GUIDELINE IS A SUGGESTION, WHEREAS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS A ZONING CODE.
SO WE ARE WELL WITHIN HOUSE DOWN HERE, THE CODE, THE THERE.
SO IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THIS PICTURE RIGHT NOW, THAT THE HOUSE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FURTHER SOUTH IN THE PICTURE, OR IS IT IN THE PICTURE?
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IT'S FURTHER SOUTH.AND ACTUALLY THE, THE SHADE LINE THERE IN THE FRONT YARD IS, UM, IS PROBABLY FURTHER OUT THAN WHAT THE PORCH WOULD BE OR ABOUT WHERE THE PORCH WOULD BE.
I'M SORRY, COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? YEAH.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO THERE AT THE LOWER LEFT, THERE'S A SHADE LINE, I THINK PROBABLY FROM THE ROOF.
THAT IS PROBABLY THE DISTANCE THAT THE PORCH WOULD EXTEND OUT INTO THE YARD.
THERE'S A, UH, FRONT SIDEWALK THAT COMES OFF THE FRONT DOOR THAT'S SEVEN FEET OUT.
AND YOU CAN'T SEE THAT FROM, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT RECESSED, BUT IT IS SEVEN FEET OUT IF YOU GO BACK TO HIGH SCHOOL GEOMETRY.
UM, AND YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH GAIN WE GET, UH, ACHIEVE IN THE DISTANCE FROM THE ROAD BY GOING FROM THE EDGE OF THE, AS IT IS PROPOSED NOW TO INSETTING IT BETWEEN THE TWO WINDOWS, IT'S A FOOT.
SO WE DON'T GAIN A WHOLE LOT OF DISTANCE FURTHER BACK FROM THE ROAD THAN WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS NOT PARALLEL TO THE STREET, IT'S AT AN OFFSET.
AND SO WE COULD, WE COULD, IF WE DO INSET, THAT WE GAIN A DISTANCE OF ABOUT THAT.
IN MY OPINION, THAT'S NOT THAT SUBSTANTIAL.
AND WHEN WE HAD INITIALLY STARTED THIS PROJECT FOR THE FRANKS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD LOOKED AT MULTIPLE DIFFERENT IDEAS FOR WHAT THIS FRONT PORCH COULD BE, AND WE DID LOOK AT AN OPTION FOR THE COLUMNS BEING BETWEEN THE WINDOWS.
UM, BUT THAT WASN'T HOW THEY WANTED TO PROCEED WITH THE PORCH.
ONE THING I CAN, UM, RESPECT AND APPRECIATE IS THE, THE FACT THAT THE PORCH WILL PROVIDE, UH, THERMAL INSULATION FROM THE HEAT, BECAUSE I HAVE A SIMILAR PORCH AND IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
UM, IF WE'RE DONE ASKING QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAD, UH, COMMENTS IN THE PACKET.
ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE GOT, UH, WAS FORWARDED TO YOU AND ONBOARD.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE PEOPLE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN SWORN IN AND WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS? YOU CAN APPROACH THE PODIUM.
UM, HAD, DID YOU SWEAR YOURSELF? I SURE DID, YES.
AND THEN IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.
I AM THE HOUSE DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH OF MY NEIGHBORS, AARON AND ELENA FRANK.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE A RB HERE THIS EVENING.
STARTING A LITTLE BIT BROAD, WHEN, WHEN I PULL ONTO FRANKLIN STREET, THE FIR ONE OF THE FIRST HOUSES I SEE IS 56 FRANKLIN, WITH THE WONDERFUL PORCH THAT WAS PUT ON BEFORE THAT ADDITION WAS PUT ON.
I THOUGHT WHEN THAT HOUSE WAS FOR SALE, IT WAS NEVER GOING TO SELL, SELL.
IT NEEDED TO BE DEMOLISHED THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE REHABBED THAT HOUSE AND ADDED THAT FRONT PORCH HAS BECOME A REAL FOCAL AND TALKING POINT AMONGST OUR NEIGHBORS AND PEOPLE WHO WALK THE STREET.
ADDITIONALLY, AS I DRIVE DOWN THE STREET IN THE EVENING OR IN THE MORNING AND, AND THE CHRISTIANS ARE SITTING ON THEIR FRONT PORCH, WE STOP, WE WAVE, WE TALK.
UM, I, I THINK THE, THE BOARD HAS EXPRESSED THAT THEY ALSO RECOGNIZE VALUE IN FRONT PORCHES AND COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, AND SO I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF AND, AND IN FAVOR OF THE PORCH AT AT 85 FRANKLIN STREET.
THAT THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD SEE PULLING INTO MY DRIVEWAY EVERY EVENING.
UH, I THINK THAT SEEING THE FRANKS ON THE FRONT PORCH IN THE EVENING, UH, OR IN THE MORNING, IF THAT'S THE TIME OF DAY THEY PREFER TO BE THERE, WOULD, WOULD BE A WONDERFUL THING BESIDES JUST THE AESTHETICS.
AND, AND, AND, AND I'M, I MAY BE THE MOST, UH, AFFECTED BY, BY THEIR ADDITION, BECAUSE I'D BE SEEING THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UH, I'VE SEEN THE PLANS, I'VE TALKED WITH THE FRANKS.
I, I THINK IT MEETS DEFINITELY THE DUBLIN CITY CODE.
UM, TO HAVE AN EXPRESSION OR AN INTENT THAT IS DISCRETIONARY AND MOVES OUR SETBACK EFFECTIVELY TO 60 FEET, WOULD SEEM TO ME TO BE SOME SORT OF A TAKING OR A LIMITATION ON OUR PROPERTIES WITHOUT ANY NOTICE, WITHOUT COMPENSATION.
AND, UH, I I VIEW THIS AS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE, UM, HERE, HERE THIS EVENING AS THE PROPERTY OWNER RIGHT NEXT TO 'EM.
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SO, UM, LOOKING AT THE CODE, THERE SHOULD BE NO VIOLATIONS WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THE GUIDELINES, WHICH ARE DISCRETIONARY.NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOES, DOES THIS MEET, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, STANDARDS? I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT.
I DEFER CERTAINLY TO HEIDI WHO SPOKE EARLIER.
BUT FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT, I THINK THAT, UH, THE, THE PORCH ADDS VALUE TO THE HOUSE.
IT ADDS, UH, VALUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I WOULD ASK THAT, UH, THE BOARD APPROVED THIS PLAN.
IS THERE ANY OTHER MEMBER? UM, AND I, I, YOU CAME WELL UNDER THREE MINUTES, SO I JUST WANNA REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE'RE, WE LIMIT PUBLIC COMMENT TO THREE MINUTES.
YOU LIMITED YOURSELF TO, I MEAN, WITHIN THREE MINUTES,
I'M AT 80 FRANKLIN STREET, AND I AM NOT NEXT.
I AM DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE FRANK'S HOUSE.
AND, UH, THE WAY THE HOUSES ARE SITUATED OUT MY FRONT WINDOW, SITTING IN MY LIVING ROOM, I'M LOOKING RIGHT AT THE FRANK'S HOUSE.
AND I THINK THAT THIS ADDITION WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS ADDITION.
UH, THE CITY INVESTED QUITE A BIT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IN, IN IMPROVING THE STREET, UH, NARROWING THE STREET, ADDING SIDEWALKS, MAKING IT MORE WALKABLE.
AND AS THE CITY'S TAGLINE INCLUDES THE WORD CONNECTED, UH, MAYBE THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY INTENDED IN THAT TAGLINE, BUT IT DOES MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD MUCH MORE CONNECTED.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND AS, UH, AS THE RESIDENTS OF 56 WILL ATTEST EVERY TIME, UH, WE WALK BY THEIR HOUSE, WE STOP, WE TALK.
THEY TELL US THEY LOVE TO SEE THAT.
I THINK THE FRANKS WOULD PROBABLY LOVE TO SEE THE SAME, BUT, UH, UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE STAFF, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT FRANKLIN STREET, AND I KNOW THE ARBS, UH, PURVIEW IS ONLY SLIGHTLY LESS THAN HALF OF THE STREET.
WE LOOK AT FRANKLIN STREET AS AN ENTIRE STREET, AND IT'S AN ECLECTIC COLLECTION OF HOUSES WITH A VERY, UH, WIDE RANGING SET OF PLACEMENTS AND SETBACKS.
AND IF YOU GO PAST THE FEW HOUSES THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THIS VISUAL, YOU'LL SEE A RANGE OF SETBACKS THAT IS JUST ASTONISHING.
ONE HOUSE NEXT TO THE OTHER CAN VARY SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, FROM BEING VERY CLOSE TO THE STREET.
IT'S DIFFERENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO THERE IS NO CONSISTENCY, UH, ON FRANKLIN STREET, EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT LIKE TO THINK THAT THERE IS.
IT'S A VERY, IT'S AN ECLECTIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT, AND ADDING A PORCH DOES NOT DISTRACT FROM THAT.
IT DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE, FROM THE VALUE OF, OF WHAT WE HAVE ON FRANKLIN STREET.
SO I WOULD, UH, ENCOURAGE THE BOARD.
WE ARE A BACKGROUND STREET, SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CRITICAL TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED HERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE ADDITIVE TO WHAT MAKES THE DISTRICT WHAT IT IS.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE, UH, THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS APPLICATION AND APPROVE IT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? SAME, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
WERE YOU SWORN IN EARLIER? YES.
BUT I DO NEED YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD ONCE AGAIN, AND TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
ANDREW CHRISTENSEN, UH, 56 FRANKLIN STREET.
UM, MY PORCH HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT A FEW TIMES THIS EVENING.
UM, THE NEIGHBORS ALL LIKE IT, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, YEAH, WE PROPOSED, UH, THE PORCH EDITION AS WELL AS A FEW OTHERS BACK IN 2019.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE APPROVED, UM, WITHOUT, WITHOUT ANY, UM, ANY PUSHBACK.
THE PORCH DOES STRETCH PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE ORIGINAL HOME.
UM, I DO AGREE WITH THE DESIGN THAT COMING IN A LITTLE BIT, GIVEN THE BRICK FACADE IS, UM, IS, IS A GOOD WAY TO, UM, AESTHETICALLY CUT THAT OFF.
UM, SO WE WERE CONCERNED WHEN THE NEW SIDEWALKS WENT IN THAT, OH MY GOSH, WE'RE LOSING SOME STREET FRONTAGE.
WE'RE GONNA BE REALLY CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK.
UM, IT, IT, IT HAS NOT BEEN A CONCERN AS THE SIDEWALKS HAVE FINISHED.
UM, I GOT THE OLD MEASURING TAPE OUT LAST NIGHT AND MEASURED HOW CLOSE MY PORCH WAS TO THE SIDEWALKS.
AND THEN I WALKED OVER TO MR. FRANK'S YARD AND DID THE SAME THING.
MINE IS CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALKS THAN HIS IS.
UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER COMMENT WAS MADE ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ROOFING MATERIAL.
I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT I, I WORK IN ROOFING.
I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND, UM, SHINGLED MATERIAL ON A, ON A LOW PITCH AS A, UH, AS A THREE OR A TWO 12 SLOPE.
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STANDING SEAM IS VERY MUCH IN LINE.UM, I THINK THAT THE, WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED IS IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE CHARACTERISTICS AND MATERIALS ON THE HOME, AND I THINK THEY'LL, THEY'LL BLEND NICELY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL OF OUR GOALS, UM, ON THE STREET WHEN WE DO ADDITIONS, LET'S, LET'S MAKE EVERYTHING LOOK COHESIVE AS IF IT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS PORCH IS, IS OUT OF LINE WITH THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT WILL LOOK LIKE AN ADDITION.
UM, JUST AS OURS DOES NOT LOOK LIKE AN ADDITION.
IT, IT, IT, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS FIT.
SO, UM, YEAH, APPRECIATE THE TIME.
THE INPUT IN THE NEIGHBORS, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT.
ONE MORE QUESTION, JUST AS A MATTER OF, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED BY STAFF OR NOT, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THAT, BUT I WONDER IF YOU WOULDN'T CONSIDER, UM, WITHDRAWING THE CASE AND TAKING SOME TIME NOW TO RECONSIDER, UH, AND, AND SPEAK WITH STAFF AND STAFF.
SEE IF YOU COULD COME TO, UM, A PROPOSAL, UM, THAT WOULDN'T BE NOT RECOMMENDED.
NOT RECOMMENDED IS PRETTY NOT RECOMMENDED
UM, BUT, UM, MAYBE CONSIDERING, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE, THE THERMAL, AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.
I KNOW THE FRONT OF OUR HOUSE IS MUCH COOL.
I CAN'T IMAGINE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PORCH.
UM, IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS CONSIDERATION OF ADDING THE ADDITIONAL COLUMNS, UH, MAYBE CONSIDER, I HEAR WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT THE ROOF, BUT MAYBE CONSIDER WHETHER STANDING SEAM IS THE ONLY CHOICE AND MAYBE COME BACK.
IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION RATHER THAN, BECAUSE NOW I, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WERE THINGS ADDED THAT YOU HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CONSIDER.
I THINK THAT LOOKING THROUGH THE, UM, THE NON-APPROVAL, LIKE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, I FEEL A LOT OF THEM ARE PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
THEY'RE NOT REALLY, YEAH, IT'S NOT REALLY A, IT'S NOT A CODE ISSUE.
IT'S NOT A, UH, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S NOT AGAINST THE GUIDELINES.
IT'S NOT AGAINST THE GUIDELINES.
I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO COMPLY AND, UH, FULFILL THE SPIRIT OF THE GUIDELINES.
UH, WE'VE LOOKED AT, AGAIN, WE'VE LOOKED AT CHANGING THE MASSING OF THE, THE, THE PORCH IN THE FRONT.
UH, WE'VE LOWERED THE PITCH, UH, FROM, SORRY, WE'VE LOWERED THE PITCH ALREADY.
BUT AGAIN, IF WE INSET FURTHER, WE LOSE THAT SOLAR, UH, CAPABILITY THERE.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, GOING HALFWAY BETWEEN THE WINDOW WOULD REALLY BE THE RIGHT THING.
SO I THINK IT'S EITHER OUTSIDE THE WINDOW OR INSIDE THE WINDOW.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE WANT THAT, THAT SOLAR MASSING OR THAT SOLAR, UM, SHADE THERE.
I I BELIEVE ALSO, IF WE WERE TO GO TO A FLAT ROOF, THEN IT'S GONNA NEED A RUBBER ROOF ON IT.
AND THEN THAT ALSO NEEDS MAINTENANCE.
WHEREAS A METAL ROOF IS ZERO MAINTENANCE.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT PITCH.
UM, YOU LOWERED THE PITCH AT THE RECOMMENDATION DURING THE INFORMAL DISCUSSIONS BEFORE YOU SUBMITTED, CORRECT? THAT WAS IN OUR, OUR DISCUSSION IS THAT WE DROPPED THE PITCH.
THEY HAD NOT RECOMMENDED PREVIOUSLY LOWERING IT MORE THAN IT WAS ON THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SIDE ELEVATION THAT WE CAN LOOK AT JUST SO YOU CAN GET A BETTER FEEL FOR IT.
'CAUSE THE ROOF DOES, IT ENDS UP EXTENDING FROM THE HOUSE EIGHT FEET OUT.
SO IF WE COULD SEE THE SIDE ELEVATION OF THAT, YOU COULD SEE HOW IT DOES, YOU KNOW, GO FROM THE GUTTER BACK AGAINST THE HOUSE.
AND IT'S NOT THAT LARGE A ROOF.
WHEN YOU'RE SEEING IT IN 2D, IT LOOKS MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN IT IS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A SIDE ELEVATION OR IN, IN PERSON.
IS THERE A SIDE ELEVATION? IF THE PITCH WERE, UM, STEEPER, WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO THE ASPHALT SHINGLE ON THE PORCH ROOF? I RECOMMEND FRONT PORCH MUCH MORE.
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OH.I WAS JUST SAYING, AS AN ARCHITECT, I WOULD NOT NORMALLY DO A FRONT PORCH MORE THAN THREE 12, JUST BECAUSE IT DOES GET TO BE TOO SUBSTANTIAL.
UM, IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT MORE ROOFING MATERIALS AND IT'S, IT'S GONNA TAKE AWAY FROM THE EXISTING HOME.
I MEAN, BEFORE, BEFORE WE WENT TO STAFF, UH, BEFORE WE SUBMITTED OUR PLANS, IT'S, IT WAS, YOU JUST HAVE TO GET CLOSER TO IT.
SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE THE LIGHT.
UM, BEFORE WE, JUST IN CONVERSATIONS WITH HEIDI, UH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE PORCH GO UP RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE, UH, THE SECOND STORY WINDOWS.
UH, BUT WE SAID THAT WAS TOO MA TOO MASSIVE.
AND SO WE'VE ACTUALLY DROPPED THAT DOWN TO BE BETWEEN, UH, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND, UH, STORY WINDOW.
SO YOU ACTUALLY DO SEE BRICK ALONG THERE.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN, COMPLY WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, THE GUIDELINES, NOT, UM, UH, WITH THOSE RECOMMEND, UH, WITH THOSE, UM, SUGGESTIONS.
UM, AND WE DID THOSE BEFORE WE WENT TO STAFF BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WANTED TO COME WITH A PLAN THAT WAS, UH, COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE AND, UH, COMPLIANT WITH, WITH THE GUIDELINES.
AND I THINK WE, UH, WE GENERALLY DID THAT.
UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF FEET BEING OFF WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, UH, DISTANCE FROM THE ROAD TO THE NEIGHBORS.
BUT GIVEN THAT WE'RE ALREADY 50 SOME, UH, ALMOST 60 FEET OFF, 59 FEET OFF FROM THE NORTHEAST CORNER, THAT WE DON'T THINK A FEW FEET, UH, IS REALLY GOING TO BE THAT IMPACTFUL OR, OR QUITE HONESTLY THAT NOTICEABLE.
I WOULD AGREE THAT THE SETBACK MAY NOT BE THE MAIN THING.
UM, AND I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT INTENT VERSUS WHAT THE CODE ACTUALLY SAYS.
I THINK THAT, UM, I, I, I GUESS I'M KIND OF UNCLEAR WHAT IT GOES SINCE YOU'VE SUBMITTED SOMETHING, YOU'VE, YOU'VE PASSED OUT SOMETHING ELSE TO US TOO, THAT ACTUALLY I DO LIKE BETTER THAN WHAT'S PRESENTED HERE.
I, I, LET ME ASK IF THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE APPLICANTS OR FOR MS. HOLT? NOPE, THAT'S IT.
SO NOW IF YOU WANT TO, WE'VE DEALT WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO I DIDN'T FORGET IT.
UM, SO NOW IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO START A DISCUSSION, PLEASE DO.
YEAH, I, SO, SO PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.
YEAH, SO I GUESS, UM, I AM NOT AS CONCERNED WITH THE SETBACK.
I AGREE, HAVING WALKED DOWN THERE FARTHER SOUTH, THE SETBACKS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IT'S FAR ENOUGH BACK AND THE WAY THE HOUSE IS ANGLED ON THAT PROPERTY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AS BIG OF AN, IF IT WAS WAY OFF, MAYBE, BUT NOT, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT COMPROMISE HERE IS AND WHAT YOU KNOW, IS TRYING TO BE DONE WITH THE PORCH, WHICH I AGREE THAT I, I IMAGINE THAT FRONT IS, IS HOT.
I CAN COMPLETELY BELIEVE HOW THAT WOULD BE AN, AN ISSUE AND SHOULD BE A CONCERN.
UH, I PREFER IF, IF WE WERE ALLOWED TO, I PREFER WHAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE ADDITIONAL COLUMNS.
I THINK THAT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE APPROPRIATE.
THIS LOOKS A LITTLE STARK, UH, TO ME.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT A DRAWING WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THIS HOUSE, PULLING IT IN BETWEEN THE TWO WINDOWS.
I AGREE THAT THIS PICTURE ISN'T REALLY HELPING ME VISUALIZE THAT BECAUSE THIS BUILDING IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STYLE.
UH, MY COMMENTS ARE THAT I AM, UH, SUPPORTIVE REALLY OF THE APPLICANT'S DESIRE TO PUT ON A FRONT PORCH.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT WILL CHANGE THE FRONT LINE A BIT, UM, AS FAR AS THE 60 FOOT, I THINK THAT IS, UM, MORE OF A GUIDANCE.
AND I THINK THAT THE BENEFIT OF THE FRONT PORCH AT SEVEN FEET, WHICH IS NOT EXTENSIVE, UH, IS, UM, GREATER THAN THE, UM, LOSS OF FRONTAGE, QUOTE UNQUOTE LOSS OF FRONTAGE SPACE.
IT IS AN OPEN PORCH, SO IT WILL STILL BE VERY INVITING.
IT'S NOT, UM, I WOULD NOT REALLY CALL IT A, UM, ENCROACHMENT OF THE FRONTAGE.
I THINK THAT THE, AND MAYBE I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE IN FACT IT IS GOING TO ENCROACH INTO THE
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60 FOOT, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE AN OPEN, UH, SPACE AND INVITING TO THE NEIGHBORS.AND I THINK IT WOULD BE AN ADDITION, A POSITIVE ADDITION.
I AM INDIFFERENT REALLY ON THE FOUR OR SIX COLUMNS.
I, I DO THINK THAT THE MARGINS HAVE TO COME IN FROM THE EDGE AS THEY'RE INDICATED ON THE, UM, DRAWING HERE OF THE PICTURE WE HAVE UP FROM THE REPORT AND FROM THE APPLICATION.
I, I HAVE MORE CONCERNS, I GUESS, ABOUT THE SEAMED ROOF AND HOW IT WILL LOOK, UH, VERSUS AN A SHINGLE ROOF ON THE PORCH.
I, I THINK THE SHINGLE ROOF WOULD, WOULD BE, UM, LESS OF A, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE VERSUS THE, UH, STANDING SEAM ROOF.
SO THAT'S MY OPINIONS IS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW THE PORCH.
AND WITH THOSE MODIFICATIONS, THAT'S HOW I WOULD APPROACH, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO APPROVE.
UH, I'M ALSO INCLINED TO, UM, ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S, UH, DESIGN.
UM, I, I THINK WHAT TRIGGERED A LOT OF THIS WAS 2018, UH, THAT 56 FRANKLIN STREET, AND IT, AND IT, IT, IT CREATED THE IMPETUS FOR, UM, THE DESIGNATION AS BACKGROUND OR LANDSCAPE OR, OR, UM, UM, BACKGROUND LANDMARK.
UM, REALLY THE ISSUE I THINK IN 2018 WAS NOT SO MUCH THE PORCH OR THE, UH, OR THE, THE ADDING OUT ON IN THE FRONT.
IT WAS MORE THE DEMOLITION OF A, A STRUCTURE IN THE REAR.
AND I'M AFRAID THIS SUBJECT GOT BROUGHT ALONG WITH THAT CONCERN FROM 2018 AND LISTENING.
UH, FRANKLY, I WAS INCLINED TO NOT AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT BEFORE THE MEETING, BUT I'M LISTENING TO THE TESTIMONY AND, AND, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE CONCEPT THAT THIS IS WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE, UH, THEY HAVE A, A, A, A APPROPRIATE DISTANCE BACK FROM THE STREET.
UM, THAT GUIDELINES CAN BE FLEXIBLE AND THAT, I THINK IN THIS CASE, UH, I AM INCLINED TO AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT AND ACCEPT, UH, THEIR DESIGN.
NO, AS FAR AS FOUR OR SIX COLUMNS, UM, I THINK THE SIX LOOKS ATTRACTIVE AS FAR AS THE ROOF GOES.
UM, WE'VE HAD TESTIMONY FROM A ROOFER TONIGHT THAT AGREES THAT THE SINGLE SEAM ROOFING IS, UH, MORE PRACTICAL.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE.
AND I'LL JUST ADD MY COMMENTS.
I, I LIKE THE, THE PORCH AS WELL AND THE 4 0 6 COLUMNS.
UM, THE ROOF WALKING IN TODAY, I WANTED THE ROOF TO BE OF THE SAME MATERIAL AS THE HOUSE.
UM, AFTER HEARING TEST TESTIMONY TODAY, I AM NOT AS SURE, UM, I THINK I LIKE IT EITHER WAY.
UH, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE ROOF? HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, THE STANDING SEAM ROOF IS ALL OVER THE PLACE NOW IN HISTORIC DOUBLING.
UM, I HAD AN I I'M TRYING TO PICTURE WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WITH THE BRICK AND HONESTLY, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I CARE
I THINK I'D BE, I, I'M FINE WITH, WITH IT.
IT DEFINITELY HAS A LOT, UH, LESS MAINTENANCE.
I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT ORIGINALLY ABOUT, I THINK, YEAH.
THAT, THAT'S GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSED, BUT MAYBE NOT.
I THINK NOW I WOULD BE FINE WITH THE STANDING SEAM ROOF.
UM, I PERSONALLY LIKE THE SIX COLUMNS, BUT I WANT HIM TO HAVE HIS ROOF OR HIS PORCH.
SO
BUT I DO THINK IT, IT AESTHETICALLY LOOKS A LITTLE BETTER THAN THE FOUR IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A PORCH ON.
AND I, I MAY HAVE SAID SINGLE C MY MEANT STANDING SEAM.
I THOUGHT IT WAS, I THINK WE UNDERSTOOD
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UH, OKAY.ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR, UM, I THINK I SAID BEFORE I WAS INDIFFERENT ON WHETHER IT WAS FOUR OR SIX POSTS.
UM, I THINK, UM, BECAUSE OF THE DOOR AND THE SEATING CONFIGURATION, AND THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER TOO, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT THE MM-HMM
I GUESS YOUR SEAT, YOUR SEATING AREAS TO BE, UM, DIVIDED BY OR IMPEDED BY POSTS.
AS FAR AS OBSERVING OUT, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT I THINK THE PORCH IS IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I, I ACTUALLY LIKE THE HOUSE BETTER WITH THE PORCH THAN I DO WITHOUT IT.
UM, THE, AND, AND I DO APPRECIATE, AS MARTY SAID, THE SOLAR PROTECTION THAT IT WOULD OFFER.
UM, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND TREES NOT GROWING FAST ENOUGH.
HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD ON THAT, MADAM CHAIR? IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, THEN SOMEBODY NEEDS TO PROPOSE A MOTION.
UM, IT CAN BE, DO WE NEED TO ACCEPT, START WITH THE DOCUMENT AND THAT'S THE, THE SHED.
I ALSO WONDERED, DID WE NEED TO ACCEPT THIS? NO, WE'LL DO THAT NEXT WEEK WHEN WE ACCEPT IT WITH THE MINUTES.
UM, AS LONG AS WE HAVE A COPY FOR THE RECORD, WHICH I ASSUME WE DO.
UM, SO STARTING WITH THE PART OR FIRST? YES.
UH, IN CASE NUMBER 80, OR, UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT IS THE CASE NUMBER HERE? WHICH ONE ARE WE UP TO? UH, 25 DASH SEVEN ONE MPR.
I WOULD MOVE TO, UM, APPROVE THE, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF A SEPARATE REAR SHED STRUCTURE FOR THE RESIDENTS AT 85 FRANKLIN STREET AS, UH, RECOMMENDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
AND A MOTION REGARDING THE, THE PORCH.
AND WE DISCUSSED A LOT, THE, THE ROOF, THE, UM, OR THE ROOF MATERIALS, THE NUMBER OF COLUMNS, THE WIDTH YOU CAN PROPOSE, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING EITHER WAY, BUT JUST TO BE AWARE THAT THE, THE MOTION COULD BE PROPOSED WITH OR WITHOUT CONDITIONS.
I CAN, BUT THE PRESIDENT SHOULDN'T.
I DEMONSTRATED LAST MONTH THAT I KNOW ROBERT TOOLS.
I PROPOSE, UH, OR I MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A NEW FRONT PORCH EDITION AT 85 FRANKLIN STREET AS DETAILED IN THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 25 DASH 0 7 1, WITH, UM, THE OPTION OF INCORPORATING EITHER FOUR OR SIX COLUMNS TO THE FRONT WITH THE OVERALL, UH, STRUCTURE TO BE, UM, OR I SHOULD SAY THE OVERALL DIMENSIONS, LENGTH BY DEPTH OF THE PORCH TO BE ROUGHLY SEVEN FEET DEEP AND 29 FEET, 10 INCHES WIDE.
ANY DISCUSSION? MS. PAT MCDANIEL? YES.
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TO CASE NUMBER 25 0 7 0 MPR 83 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ADDITION TO A HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
THE 0.25 ACRE SITE IS ZONED HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL AND MS. HOLT WILL BE PRESENTING.
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THANK YOU AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR.AND GOOD EVENING EVERYONE FOR THIS PROJECT.
THE SITE IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW AND THE SITE IS NORTH OF PENNY HILL AND BETWEEN SOUTH RIVERVIEW AND SOUTH BLACKSMITH.
AND THE ZONING IS HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL.
THESE ARE THE GENERAL SURROUNDINGS.
THE AREAS MOSTLY BACKGROUND STRUCTURES PUNCTUATED WITH SOME SIGNIFICANT LANDMARK STRUCTURES.
I'M SORRY, THERE SEEMS TO BE A DELAY WITH THE COMPUTER.
UM, THIS IS THE ELIA SELLS HOUSE.
IT'S THE OLDEST STONE HOUSE IN DUBLIN, AND IT IS BUILT IN A FEDERAL STYLE.
IT HAS THREE, UH, THREE BAY FENESTRATION ON THE FRONT.
A KITCHEN L WAS ADDED EARLY IN THE STRUCTURES HISTORY.
AND THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED EDITION IS THE WHITE ENCLOSED PORCH ON THE RIGHT SIDE HERE.
THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE NOTED IN WHITE AND THE ADDITION IS NOTED IN GRAY.
NOTE THAT THE ADDITION DOES PROTRUDE SLIGHTLY BEYOND THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
UM, IT WAS EQUAL TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT INFORMAL.
THIS IS CONTRARY TO THE GUIDELINES.
HOWEVER, IT CAN BE MITIGATED WITH GOOD DESIGN AND GOOD REASONS.
A LOT OF PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE ON THE DESIGN OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS.
THERE IS ALSO A REQUEST TO INCLUDE A TOTAL BUILDING FOOTPRINT WAIVER.
THE DISTRICT PERMITS UP TO 25% OF LOT SIZE TO BE COVERED BY BUILDING FOOTPRINT REQUESTED.
THIS BUILDING FOOTPRINT TOTAL IS IMPACTED BY TWO EXISTING OUTBUILDINGS, INCLUDING ONE HISTORIC BLACKSMITH SHOP.
AND PRIVY STAFF SUPPORTS THIS.
AND, UH, WE HAD SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
AT THE INFORMAL, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED TWO OPTIONS TO CONSIDER PRESENTED ARE THE BASE OPTION ELEVATIONS.
BECAUSE THAT THOSE ARE OUR CLOSEST TO MEETING CRITERIA.
AGAIN, GREAT PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE.
SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO FOCUS ON THE REMAINING DESIGN CONCERNS AND THE CONDITION TOPICS, UH, MOVING THROUGH THIS TRANS OR THIS, UH, PRESENTATION.
THE FIRST IS THE POTENTIAL FOR A MORE TRANSPARENT HYPHEN TO BETTER MEET THE GUIDELINES IN THIS LOCATION.
LOWER STORY WINDOWS ARE NOT PROPORTIONAL PER THE GUIDELINES.
AND HERE WE CAN SEE THIS BECAUSE THE LIGHTS END UP BEING SQUARE RATHER THAN VERTICALLY RECTANGULAR.
AND IF WE USE THIS WINDOW AS A GUIDE, WE CAN GET BETTER PROPORTIONS TO MEET THE GUIDELINES.
THE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN SIMPLIFIED TO LAP SIDING, WHICH IS APPRECIATED.
AND THE STONE WATER TABLE WAS BROUGHT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE WINDOWS AS, AS DISCUSSED AT INFORMAL DESIGN CONCERNS AND CONDITION TOPICS HERE INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL TO FLATTEN THE 1930S EDITION ROOF FORM AND SHORTEN THAT ROOF FORM TO CREATE A GREATER DELINEATION BETWEEN THE HISTORIC L AND THE ADDITION.
THIS WAS SHOWN AT INFORMAL, AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD BETTER MEET THE GUIDELINES AND THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUEST TO EXAMINE THIS APPROACH.
NOT THAT IT'S A REQUIREMENT IN THIS LOCATION.
UH, THE TRIPLE WINDOWS SHOULD BE CENTERED BETWEEN THE COLUMNS.
CONSIDER, AGAIN, WITH CAREFULLY CHOSEN WORDS, CONSIDER A TRIPLE WINDOW FOR CONTINUITY ALONG THIS ELEVATION.
THE USE OF CLASSICAL COLUMNS AND ARCHITRAVE, WHICH IS THE, THE PART THAT THE COLUMNS HOLD UP.
OFTEN IT'S BEHIND A, UM, GUTTER.
THE CONDITION ALLOWS EITHER ROUND OR SQUARE COLUMNS.
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WHEN YOU SAY WHAT'S WRONG WITH THESE COLUMNS IN THE PICTURE, PROBABLY THE BETTER WAY TO ASK THIS.I, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR DISTINCTION.
SO THE COLUMNS AS PROPOSED ARE, UM, QUITE GENERIC AND NOT, UH, IN KEEPING WITH THE STYLE OF THIS LANDMARK STRUCTURE.
UH, A NEXT TOPIC IS TO REFINE THE PANEL DETAILS.
AND THEN AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, THAT CENTRAL HYPHEN AREA COULD, COULD HAVE MORE WINDOWS AND DOORS IN IT.
THE PORCH ROOF, UH, WAS CHANGED TO A PORTICO FORM, WHICH STAFF SUPPORTS AND APPRECIATES THE DESIGN CONCERNS AND CONDITIONS.
HERE ARE THE SAME LOWER WINDOW COMMENTS AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.
THE SAME COLUMN DETAILS, UH, AND REVISIONS.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS A DETAIL FOR CONSIDERATION FROM THE BOKER REPORT.
AND HERE WE HAVE THE SPAN OF THE PORTICO IS ACTUALLY GREATER THAN THE HEIGHT OF THE COLUMN, WHICH IS NOT BEST PRACTICE.
DESIGN CONCERNS AND CONDITIONS ON THE EAST ELEVATION INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL FOR A FLATTER ROOF, AS WE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS ON THE HISTORIC FABRIC.
UM, THIS IS AN APPROXIMATION OF A TWO TO ONE SLOPE, AND AGAIN, IT DOES CREATE GREATER DELINEATION BETWEEN THE HISTORIC L AND THE ADDITION.
AND WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE STATUS OF THE UPPER RIGHT WINDOW LOCATED HERE.
MOVING ON TO MAIN MATERIALS AND COLORS.
AND MOST OF THESE ARE UPFRONT FOR VIEWING THE FOUNDATION.
WATER TABLE MATERIAL IS A NATURAL STONE VENEER, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT USE.
WE NEED A CAP DETAIL FOR THAT HARDY PLANK.
AND TRIM IS PROPOSED IN SMOOTH TEXTURE.
THE ACTUAL COLORS ARE ON THE RIGHT.
UH, THE PHYSICAL CHIPS HAVE BEEN JUST DELIVERED TO US, AND WE NEED TO EVALUATE THOSE.
UH, BASED ON THE PRE-APPROVED PAINT COLORS AND ALSO THE HISTORIC STONE.
THERE'S A STANDING SEAM ROOF IN DOVE GRAY TO MATCH THE EXISTING.
WE NOTED IN THE REPORT AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER, AGAIN, CONSIDER A DIFFERENT SEAM WIDTH FOR THE ADDITION AS WAS DONE AT 17 AND 27 NORTH RIVERVIEW.
FOR THE WINDOWS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS WITH WHAT IS PROPOSED.
WE'RE NOT SURE OF THE CLADDING MATERIAL.
AND THE GUIDELINES NOTE THAT SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS WITH SPACERS ARE NEEDED.
UM, THE SPECIFIC NOTE THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE MATERIALS TO US IS THAT THE GRILLS ARE BETWEEN THE GLASS.
SO WE NEED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT THE WIDTH OF THE SASH APPEARS TOO WIDE TO MEET THE GUIDELINES DIRECTION FOR HISTORIC PROPORTIONS.
THE COLOR COULD BE DARKER TO BETTER MATCH THE, UH, DISCUSSION IN THE PRE-APPROVED PAINT COLOR DOCUMENT.
WE NEED TO KNOW THE WINDOW AND MU STYLE ON THE HISTORIC PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S DOUBLE HUNG, WHAT MAY BE FIXED, WHAT'S SINGLE HUNG.
THESE ARE ALL ADDRESSED IN A RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
AND WE DID PROVIDE IN YOUR PACKET A, A RELATED ARTICLE ON WINDOW DESIGN AND INFORMATION.
THE COLORS FOR THE SIDING AND TRIM ARE SHOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
AND, UM, AS MENTIONED, WE HAVE THE REAL COLOR CHIPS NOW TO COM TO DO SOME COMPARISON.
NO INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED ON THE DOORS, SO WE'RE LIKELY TO HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AS WITH THE WINDOWS.
DETAILED MATERIALS INCLUDE THE HINKLEY ANCHORAGE LIGHT IN BRONZE, AS SHOWN THE OG GUTTERS AND MATCHING DOWNSPOUTS.
WE NEED SOME COLOR INFORMATION ON THAT.
THE CHIMNEY MATERIALS ARE SHOWN IN THE UPPER RIGHT.
A TYPICAL DISTRICT APPROACH IS A MATTE BRONZE OR BLACK, JUST TO MINIMIZE VISIBILITY AND AND REFLECTION.
SO WE HAVE A CONDITION TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, THE PAVING MATERIALS ARE THE OHIO GRAY FLAGGING AND THEN REUSE OF THE EXISTING PATIO
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BRICK.THERE'S SOME MINOR CONFLICTING INFORMATION ON DOCUMENT NOTES THAT WE JUST NEED TO, UM, HAVE COORDINATED.
THERE'S NO CONCERNS WITH WHAT'S PROPOSED.
SO TAKING A LOOK AT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WAIVER, THE CRITERIA ARE MET AND ESPECIALLY SUPPORTED WITH THE PRESERVATION OF THE, UM, HISTORIC OUTBUILDING ON SITE.
THE MINOR PROJECT CRITERIA ARE MET WITH, UM, THE WAIVER AND OR CONDITIONED OR, UM, WE HAVE ONE CRITERION THAT IS MET OUTRIGHT.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER, WHICH AGAIN IS THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
AND THEN FOR, UM, THE ADDITION, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AS ENUMERATED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND JUST TO BRIEFLY GO OVER THESE, WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT ROOF PITCH, THE CLASSICAL DETAILING ON THE COLUMNS AND THE ARCHITRAVES AND THE SPACING, THE WINDOWS AND DOORS, MAKING THE HYPHEN LIGHTER IN APPEARANCE, REWORKING THE 1930S, UM, PORCH PANELING, CENTERING THAT TRIPLE WINDOW GROUP BETWEEN THE COLUMNS, PROVIDING DETAILS, SHOWING CASING BETWEEN THE GROUPED WINDOWS, INFORMATION ON MORTAR, AND THE DETAIL FOR THE STONE CAP.
UH, COORDINATING INFORMATION FOR THE PATIO MATERIALS.
THE PROVISION OF THE ACTUAL PAINT CHIPS HAS BEEN DONE TONIGHT.
WE JUST NEED TO VERIFY THIS IN THE FIELD.
CHANGE THE CHIMNEY CAPS, VENTS AND COLLARS TO THE MATTE BLACK OR BRONZE, AND THEN CONSIDER THE DIFFERENT ROOF SEAM WIDTH FOR THE ADDITION.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO.
SARAH, CAN YOU TAKE IT BACK TO THE ROOF? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THE ROOF PITCH ISSUE IS.
LET'S SEE, LET'S START WITH THE NORTH ELEVATION.
AND I'M GONNA SCROLL THROUGH MY ANIMATIONS HERE.
SO AS SHOWN AT THE INFORMAL, UM, THE ROOF FOR THE 1930S EDITION WAS ACTUALLY SHORTER THAN THE ROOF FOR THE KITCHEN L WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE BACK.
UM, SO WE'RE MIMICKING WHAT THAT ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS.
AND THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES TO CONSIDER A LOWER ROOF PITCH FOR THAT SAME 1930S PORCH EDITION, JUST SO IT DOESN'T COME UP SO HIGH ON THE ORIGINAL STONE.
SO IF WE GO TO THE EAST ELEVATION, WE CAN SEE THIS FROM A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
THE ROOF PITCH WOULD LOOK AS SHOWN IN BLUE, AND EITHER WAY, THAT WINDOW IS STILL COVERED.
OR THE GOAL IS TO MINIMIZE THE COVERING OF HISTORIC FABRIC TO THE GRAZED EXTENT POSSIBLE.
AND YOU'RE SUGGESTING THEY SHOULD TRY TO SEE IF THEY CAN DO IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MS. HOLT? OKAY.
IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS, UH, I'M JEFF HAM, UH, EIGHT THREE SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET.
UM, SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD AND, UH, THE STAFF FOR TAKING THE TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT MY APPLICATION AGAIN.
UM, UH, BASICALLY, UH, KIND WHAT I'D LIKE TO START OUT WITH A LITTLE BIT IS, UM, UH, TALKING OVER, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ISSUES ACTUALLY THAT I HAD EARLIER HAVE DISAPPEARED SINCE THE FIRST, UH, KIND OF REPORT THAT WE HAD.
BUT, UM, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, KAREN BOCOS, UH, ANALYSIS
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OF, OF THIS PLAN.I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH KAREN AND, UH, THE WORK SHE DOES FOR US.
SHE IS OUR EXPERT, HISTORIC ARCHITECT WHO PROVIDES CONSULTATIONS ON THESE LANDMARK BUILDINGS WHEN ADDITIONS ARE BEING DONE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE APPROPRIATE.
AND I HAD A REAL GOOD CONVERSATION WITH HER, WHICH I WANTED TO KIND OF SHARE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DETAILS OF, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT CONVERSATION ENTAILED AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DID AS A RESULT OF THAT BECAUSE, UH, I DO THINK SHE WAS A VERY VALUABLE RESOURCE IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DID WITH THIS SINCE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT SINCE THE INFORMAL REVIEW.
AND I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT, UH, MS. HOLD IS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE DID DO.
UM, AND, UH, BASICALLY I READ HER LETTER AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BY A COUPLE OF THE THINGS AND JUST WANTED TO GET HER TAKE ON THINGS.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I, I REALLY WANTED TO DO BOARD AND BATTEN AND, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE SAYING THE HORIZONTAL SIDING WOULD BE A BETTER CHOICE AND, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GET HER FEEL FOR THAT AND JUST HER OVERALL FEEL FOR, YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE THIS HOUSE IS DONE RIGHT AND THAT THIS ADDITION IS DONE RIGHT.
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SHE'S DEFINITELY, I MEAN, I WOULD DEFINITELY ACKNOWLEDGE HER AS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PREMIER EXPERTS IN THIS KIND OF FIELD IN CENTRAL OHIO, SHE TEACHES AT OHIO STATE, AND SHE CONSULTS FOR A LOT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AROUND COLUMBUS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN THE SAME ROLE THAT SHE DOES HERE.
UM, SO TALKING TO HER, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I JUST ASKED WHAT'S YOUR OVERALL FEEL ABOUT THE PLAN? AND SHE SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAIN GUIDELINES, THERE'S CERTAIN SORT OF CODES AS FAR AS THESE, UH, HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND THINGS YOU SORT OF HAVE TO DO VERSUS THINGS THAT KIND OF MAKE IT BETTER.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS HEARTENED TO HEAR THAT SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, OUR EDITION MEETS ALL OF THE, THE BASIC CODE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T VIOLATE ANYTHING LIKE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO WITH A HISTORIC EDITION.
SHE JUST THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME TWEAKS, UH, THAT SHE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A BETTER AND MORE COHESIVE EDITION.
UM, SHE DID THINK IT LOOKED, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR, UH, EDITION LOOKED APPEALING ON ITS OWN, BUT SHE DIDN'T THINK IT WENT VERY WELL WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THE REST OF OUR HOUSE IS A VERY SIMPLE STONE ARCHITECTURE.
AND THE INITIAL PLAN THAT WE SENT TO MS. BOCO, UM, WE HAD RESOLVED SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE, UH, PRESENTED AT THE INFORMAL REVIEW.
WE HAD SOME HORIZONTAL WINDOW STRUCTURES THAT THERE WERE CONCERN WITH ON THE, UM, DORMERS, UH, THAT THE, UH, BOARD DID NOT LIKE.
UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME SORT OF ROOFING ISSUES, JUST THE COMPLEXITY OF SOME THINGS.
UH, THEY WANTED MORE RECTANGULAR WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND SO WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING WAS SOME MOLD, DOUBLE UNIT RECTANGULAR WINDOWS.
SO THIS ISN'T REALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE SEEING, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING, THIS IS WHAT WE SENT TO HER.
AND IT'S SO IN, YOU'LL SEE PICTURES IF YOU EVER LOOK IN HER LETTER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHE EVALUATED.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SHE, SHE COULD, SHE LIKED IT.
AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, ON ITS OWN RIGHT, IF YOU'RE BUILDING THAT AS A LITTLE HOUSE, I'D LOVE IT.
I THINK IT'S A CUTE LITTLE COTTAGE.
SHE'S LIKE, BUT WITH YOUR REST OF YOUR HOUSE, I JUST THINK IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE WORD SHE USED? UM, SHE JUST SAID, THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH GOING ON.
THAT WAS HER SUMMARY WAS, THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH GOING ON.
AND SHE SAID A LOT OF THAT WAS FOCUSED ON THESE LIKE MOLD DOUBLE UNITS ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO SHE RECOMMENDED, YOU KNOW, LARGER, MORE RECTANGULAR WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND THEN ONE OF HER OTHER, THERE'S TOO MUCH GOING ON THINGS WAS, WE HAD, UH, SOME HORIZONTAL SIDING, UH, ON THE, UH, 1930S PORCH AND THE UH, UH, HYPHEN.
WHEREAS ON THE ADDITION WE HAD THE STANDING, UH, OR NOT STANDING SEAM.
UM,
SHE'S LIKE, IF YOU WANTED TO DO STAND THE BOARD AND BATTEN BECAUSE YOU REALLY LIKE IT, THAT'S ALL RIGHT TOO, BUT PICK ONE AND GO WITH IT.
AND SO I, I THINK SHE KIND OF CONVINCED ME, YOU KNOW, THAT THE HORIZONTAL WAS, WAS A, A BETTER WAY TO GO.
AND I KIND OF WALKED AROUND HISTORIC DUBLIN AND LOOKED AT A LOT OF THESE LANDMARK HOUSES AND, YOU KNOW, INDEED HORIZONTAL IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SEE.
SO I DECIDED THAT WAS, THAT WAS A GOOD WAY TO GO.
AND, UH, WE GOT RID OF THE DOUBLE UNITS ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND WENT WITH, YOU KNOW, LARGER, UM, MORE VERTICAL WINDOWS.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, THERE WERE A COUPLE THINGS THAT SHE
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ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED THAT, UH, THE CITY STAFF DOES NOT PREFER, UM, WHICH IS, UH, WE'RE KIND OF NOT SEEING, YOU KNOW, BOTH SIDES OF THE PLAN.I DID HAVE AN OPTION A AND OPTION B.
UM, WHAT MS. BOCO ACTUALLY PREFERRED WAS, UH, A STEEPER ROOF PITCH ON THE ADDITION SO THAT YOU WOULD MATCH THE EVES HEIGHTS ON, UH, BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE, UM, UH, THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE KITCHEN L AND UH, SHE SAID IT JUST MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT SORT OF FLOWS BETTER WITH THE HOUSE.
I DID ASK HER SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, UM, UH, I THINK WHAT MS HOLD IS GETTING AT WITH, UH, WHY SHE PREFERS THE OTHER, UH, OPTION IS THAT, UM, IT HAS A MORE, UH, UH, I GUESS UNIFORM ROOF PITCH WITH THE MAIN BUILDING.
SO THE MAIN BUILDING HAS AROUND AN EIGHT TO NINE ROOF PITCH.
AND WITH THE OPTION THAT SHE JUST PRESENTED, THAT'S, THAT'S A NINE ROOF PITCH, UH, WITH THE OPTION THAT, UH, UH, KAREN BOCO PREFERRED, UH, IT'S A 12 PITCH.
AND SO, UM, I, I WAS KIND OF ON THE FENCE WITH IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I'M SO USED TO LOOK AT THE NINE PITCH BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY PROPOSING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST SAW THE 12 PITCH, I WAS LIKE, OOH, THAT LOOKS, LOOKS WEIRD.
BUT THE MORE I LOOKED AT IT, THE MORE YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY I KIND OF LIKED IT.
UH, I'M NOT SUPER MARRIED TO EITHER ONE, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, SIX OF ONE, HALF DOZEN OF THE OTHER, IN MY OPINION.
UM, WELL, LEMME SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
UH, YEAH, HER THING ABOUT THE ROOF PITCH, UH, WHY SHE THINKS IT'S NOT REALLY A HISTORIC GUIDELINE TO MATCH ROOF PITCHES IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE 'EM.
YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, THE PERSPECTIVE WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THESE HOUSES IS WALKING AROUND ON THE GROUND AND YOU'RE LOOKING UP AT ROOFS.
YOU DON'T GET THESE SORT OF TWO DIMENSIONAL PICTURES WHERE YOU'RE STANDING BACK AT IN KIND OF AT INFINITY, HALFWAY UP THE WALL AT A MID POINT, AND YOU'RE JUST DIRECTLY COMPARING TWO ROOFS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, THIS ROOF'S 25 FEET UP, YOU NEVER SEE THAT.
THAT WAY YOU'RE LOOKING UP LIKE THIS.
AND SO SHE'S, SHE DOESN'T THINK YOU ACTUALLY DO NOTICE DIFFERENCES IN ROOF PITCH.
UM, SO AGAIN, THAT WAS AN OPINION.
UM, LEMME SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT SHE SAID.
UM, BASICALLY WANTED US TO SIMPLIFY THE COLOR SCHEME, UH, WHICH WE DID, UH, BECAUSE WE HAD PROPOSED A COUPLE DIFFERENT, UH, COLORS.
YOU KNOW, THE HYPHEN WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT COLOR, UH, A LITTLE LIGHTER THAN THE OTHER ONE.
UM, AND I THINK ONE OF THE ORIGINAL THINGS, WHICH IS A LITTLE, I GUESS A LITTLE BONE OF CONTENTION THAT I HAVE WITH, UH, UH, MS. HOLT'S, UH, ASSESSMENT AND RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, HAS TO DO WITH THE HYPHEN ITSELF, UH, ADDING ANOTHER WINDOW TO THE HYPHEN.
AND SO THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY, UH, UM, KAREN BOKO AND HER, HER REPORT, UH, ACTUALLY IN A MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY EVEN A BIGGER WAY THAN IT WAS, UH, PRESENTED HERE BY ADDING A WINDOW.
SHE ACTUALLY SUGGESTED AN ENTIRE GLASS HYPHEN.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS QUITE SURPRISED BY THAT.
AND I WAS LIKE, WOW, THAT'S NOT VERY HISTORIC SOUNDING.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE IDEA WITH YOU RECOMMENDING THIS GLASS HYPHEN? AND, UH, TALKING TO HER IS PRETTY REFRESHING BECAUSE I MEAN, SHE'S A, SHE'S A REAL HUMBLE, UH, PERSON WHO'S JUST LIKE, SHE GOES, I DON'T KNOW, I I'M NOT ALWAYS RIGHT ABOUT THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS SPIT BALLING, UH, IS, UH, BECAUSE WHAT I POINTED OUT TO HER IS I SAID, YOU DO REALIZE THAT HYPHEN CONNECTS MY MASTER BEDROOM IN MY KITCHEN,
SO A GLASS HALL IS JUST, UH, I, I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OF MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS SITTING ON THIS BOARD.
I'M NOT SURE SHE WANTS TO SEE THAT.
I DID TALK TO, UH, KURT SCHMIDT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
HE SAID, VERY EMPHATICALLY, HE DOES NOT WANNA SEE THAT HE WANTS NO MORE GLASS ON THE HYPHEN.
AND HE'S LIKE, I WILL COME INTO THE BOARD AND I WILL
I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY MORE GLASS ON THE HYPHEN.
AND, UH, SO, AND UH, MS. BOCO DID ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
SHE SAID, WELL, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A COOL FEATURE.
AND SHE GOES, JUST TO BE HONEST, I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN.
I DIDN'T, DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS A BEDROOM OUT THERE IN THE ADDITION.
I, I JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ANOTHER LIVING SPACE.
AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COOL TO HAVE KIND OF THIS MODERN THING ATTACHING THESE TWO SORT OF INTERESTING BUILDINGS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SHE'S LIKE, I, YOU KNOW, I, I MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO DO 'EM ALL.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO HAS TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE.
YOU HAVE TO PICK, YOU KNOW, THE ONES YOU LIKE AND YOU KNOW, OTHER ONES, MAYBE THEY JUST DON'T WORK.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT WAS HER TAKE ON THINGS.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST AS AN INTRODUCTORY THING, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAD TO SAY.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, MORE
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SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UH, ISSUES THAT, UH, MS. HOLD HAD RAISED.UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY, UH, THAT SHE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE SO WE CAN KIND OF HIT 'EM ONE BY ONE OR, UM, YEAH, ACTUALLY I'D LIKE TO DO THAT IF WE CAN GET THE LIST UP OF, YEAH.
AND EVEN LIKE SOME OF THOSE MATERIALS ISSUES THAT YOU WERE POINTING OUT, I COULD PROBABLY CLARIFY A LOT OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, SHOULD WE GO THROUGH THE, YEAH.
'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE WINDOWS IN PARTICULAR.
'CAUSE THE WINDOWS I THINK ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ITEM THREE, IT'S LIKE THERE'S 19 ITEMS, YOU KNOW, SUB ITEMS THAT SHE'S QUESTIONING UNDER THE WINDOWS.
AND SO I THINK I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THESE WINDOWS ARE AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE PICTURE THAT IS PROVIDED REALLY IS AN ACCURATE REFLECTION OF, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOW THAT I ACTUALLY WAS PROPOSING.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SAYS THE SAME THING AT THE BOTTOM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY, UH, WHAT THAT WINDOW LOOKS LIKE.
I DO HAVE A, A BROCHURE HERE ON, UH, JELD ONE WINDOWS.
I'M KIND OF ACTUALLY NEUTRAL ABOUT, UH, THE WINDOW CHOICE.
I INQUIRED WITH, UM, OUR CITY STAFF ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE MATERIALS THAT ARE APPROVED FOR WINDOWS ARE BASICALLY, UH, ALUMINUM OR FIBERGLASS CLAD WOOD WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK COMPOSITES APPROVED, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UM, BUT I SAID, OKAY, SO WHAT BRAND AM I ALLOWED TO CHOOSE? BECAUSE ALL I'VE EVER SEEN USED AROUND HERE, FOR THE MOST PART, HAS BEEN MARVIN ULTIMATE WINDOWS, WHICH ARE INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE AND IN MY OPINION, PRETTY OVERPRICED FOR WHAT YOU GET.
AND SO I DIDN'T WANT TO USE THOSE, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY SOLUTION I WAS PROVIDED WAS, WELL, WE'VE USED MARVIN ULTIMATE BEFORE.
UM, AND SO I TOOK A LOOK AT SOME WINDOWS, UH, THE ONES THAT I SUGGESTED, THE 5,500 IS KIND OF AN OLDER TERM, I THINK.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE CALLING 'EM NOW.
UH, LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THIS, UH, LIKE ALL SITES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR I, I HAVE THAT SOMEWHERE IN HERE.
IT'S CALLED THE GEL, THE, UH, JEL ONE SIGHT LINE.
UM, AND SO WHAT THAT WINDOW ACTUALLY IS, IS IT'S BASICALLY IDENTICAL, UM, COSMETICALLY TO THE WAY THAT THE, UH, MARVIN ULTIMATE IS.
IT HAS THE EXACT SAME, UH, DIMENSIONS FOR JAMS AND SASH, UH, EDGING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT HAS A LOT MORE, UM, CUSTOM OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN HAVE.
MARVIN IS, UH, KIND OF A SMALLER WINDOW COMPANY AND THEY SPECIALIZE IN THESE SORT OF, UH, HIGHER END CUSTOM WINDOWS.
WHEREAS JEL WIND IS A, IT IS THE SECOND BIGGEST WINDOW COMPANY IN AMERICA.
AND SO THEY DO EVERYTHING ALL THE WAY FROM LIKE REALLY CHEAP, UH, VINYL SHED WINDOWS UP TO, YOU KNOW, FULLY CUSTOMIZED WINDOWS.
UM, THIS, UH, THE JELD WIND SITE LINE IS THE BASICALLY FULL, FULLY CUSTOMIZABLE VERSION.
UM, COULD WE GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE, SARAH, OF THE MATERIALS, BECAUSE THERE'S, I THINK SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO MENTION ON THERE AS WELL.
UM, YEAH, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CORRECT PICTURE.
UH, AND THE THING I'M PROPOSING IS NOT GRILLS BETWEEN THE GLASS.
I DO KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN DUBLIN.
UH, WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS A SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT, UH, WITH THE SPACER BAR BETWEEN, UH, WITH THE SAME CONFIGURATION THAT THE MARVIN WINDOW USES.
AND IT IS A WOOD WINDOW, UH, WITH ALUMINUM CLADDING ON THE OUTSIDE.
AND SO, AND WE WERE PROPOSING THE COLOR MOCHA CREAM, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHAT THAT COLOR IS IN THAT, UH, MOCHA CREAM.
UH, WELL, NO, THAT'S NOT MOCHA CREAM.
'CAUSE I HAVE, UH, IN HERE MOCHA CREAM.
UH, IT SHOULD MATCH THAT BARE BAJA PAINT CHIP NEXT TO IT, SO THAT, THAT WINDOW, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT COLOR THAT IS.
UH, I DO HAVE THE, UH, PAINT CHIPS HERE, UH, IN THIS, UH, BUT I MEAN, BASICALLY IMAGINE THAT WINDOW IN BAJA BEIGE THAT'S ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE A MARVIN WINDOW WITH
SO THAT'S, LIKE I SAY, THAT'S NOT A CORRECT PICTURE.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, RESUBMIT THE, THE PICTURES TO GET SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCURATE IN THERE.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY THAT, UH, DOES THAT ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WINDOW,
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UH, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE OR, AND THE DOORS ARE, ARE THE SAME, BY THE WAY.I MEAN, THEY'RE BASICALLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WOOD DOORS WITH CLADDING.
THEY CAN BE FIBERGLASS OR THEY CAN BE A METAL CLAD, OR THEY HAVE SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS WITH SPACERS.
WE CAN ONLY REACT TO WHAT IS SUBMITTED TO US.
AND THIS IS WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE, RIGHT? YEAH.
UNTIL WE SEE, YEAH, WHAT YOU'VE GOT, IT, IT, IT, IT'S HARD FOR STAFF TO REACT AND FOR US TO REACT.
UM, I WONDER IF I COULD, UH, PROVIDE LIKE MAYBE AN OPTION THEN OF SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PRE-APPROVED THAT'S NOT MARVIN, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT DO YOU, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WHAT THE, WELL, I THINK THINGS ARE BEING RECOMMENDED AND THEN YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO VERIFY IT.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT THAT I'M READING HERE? YEAH, THAT'S THE WAY THE CONDITIONS ARE WRITTEN, THAT IT WILL BE STAFF APPROVED.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER, SO, SO LIKE WE CAN, I I'VE TRIED TO AVOID LIKE TOO MANY MORE MEETINGS AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, WELL, AND THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE BOARD WHETHER WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH EACH OF THESE CONDITIONS BEING LEFT TO STAFF OR NOT.
SINCE YOU HAVEN'T BROUGHT US A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, EVERY SINGLE THING, SO, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE STILL SURE, SURE, SURE.
SO, SO ANYWAY, I WAS, I DID WANNA SPECIFY ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
I MEAN, BASICALLY, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A CONCERN GOING DOWN.
I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE, UH, DEMONSTRATE WHAT THE ACTUAL WINDOW IS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE, UH, CLEAR ABOUT THAT WINDOW THAT IS APPROVED BY, UH, THE, UH, CITY OF COLUMBUS HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE TO USE IN GERMAN VILLAGE, ITALIAN VILLAGE, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE KIND OF STUFF.
SO IT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF WEIRD WINDOW THAT NOBODY USES.
UM, AND, UH, WHAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I OH, OH, UH, SHE HAD BROUGHT UP A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, THE STONE VERSUS THE BRICK ON THE PATIO, UH, WHICH WAS ON A PRIOR THING.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A BRICK PATIO, SO I, I'M NOT SURE, UH, WHAT THE QUESTION WAS WITH THAT.
WE HAVE CONFLICTING INFORMATION ON THE DIFFERENT SHEETS WE SIMPLY NEED.
I NEED, I DIDN'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE ON THE PLANS.
WE NEED TO COORDINATE THAT INFORMATION SO THAT IT'S CORRECT.
WELL, COULD YOU SHOW ME ON THE PLANS? I, I DID NOT SEE THAT ON PLANS.
I LOOKED ALL OVER THOSE PLANS AND IT JUST SAYS BRICK PATIO.
SO WE, NOW, THERE IS STONE ON THE FRONT SIDEWALK, THERE IS GONNA BE FLAGSTONE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE MATERIAL FOR THE FLAGSTONE IS.
IT'S A, AN OHIO LIMESTONE FLAGSTONE.
BUT ON THE PATIO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, IT JUST SAYS BRICK.
SO I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A, A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT STAFF RECEIVED AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE WAS IN THE PACKET.
WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT THE FINAL DECISION IS.
SO, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TELLING US THE PATIO WILL BE BRICK IS WHAT WILL BE, IF THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL CONSIDER.
AND, AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T, I, I NEVER SAW ANY DISCREPANCIES ON THE PLAN, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE, UM, THE, THE STONE.
YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THIS PICTURE THERE.
YOU HAD A PICTURE WHERE THERE WAS BRICK NEXT TO THE STONE.
YEAH, THE STONE IS FOR THE FRONT WALKWAY.
SO THIS STONE IN THE LOWER LEFT, THAT'S FOR THE, THAT'S GONNA BE OF, UH, MY, CURRENTLY I HAVE A, UM, CONCRETE WALK EXTENDING TO RIVERVIEW STREET, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO, UH, BASICALLY PUT A FLAGSTONE, UH, THAT OF THAT VARIETY ON.
DID STAFF UNDERSTAND IT TO BE THAT WAY IN THE APPLICATION? WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE MATERIALS.
WE SIMPLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE NOTES ON THE PLANS ALL AGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
THAT IS ENTIRELY UNDERSTANDABLE.
SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE A CONDITION.
ALL RIGHT, MR. HANH, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE PRESENTATION? UM, I WANNA ASK THE BOARD IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS.
NO, I JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
UH, UH, I, I, THERE I, WELL, THIS IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, WHICH MAYBE I'LL JUST WAIT TILL WE GET TO THAT.
SO, UM, MS. HO, CAN I SEE THE LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS AGAIN THAT YOU HAD? SURE.
WE'LL START WITH THE WAIVER FOR THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
OF COURSE, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THAT, AND THEN WE HAVE, UM,
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TWO PAGES OF CONDITIONS.NO, I, I THINK THE PROBLEM I'M STRUGGLING HERE WITH IS THERE'S TWO PAGES OF CONDITIONS.
UM, DO YOU FEEL THAT'S A PROBLEM? ACTUALLY, I DO.
I HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THAT.
UM, AND I DID HAVE, UH, A MEETING WITH JENNY ROUSH ABOUT THAT AND BOSSUM YESTERDAY, AND I'VE SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT TO THE, UM, CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE, UH, REGARDING SOME BEHAVIORAL ISSUES, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
UM, SO YEAH, I HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THIS.
I MEAN, IT'S ACTUALLY SHOCKING TO ME, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
UM, SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS ON HERE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY BOTHERED ME, AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I WANTED TO GET TO WITH, UH, KAREN BOCOS REPORT, IS THAT, UM, THE CITY CONSULTED A AN ARCHITECTURAL, UH, HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL EXPERT.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE GLASS HALLWAY, IMPLEMENTED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HER RECOMMENDATIONS INTO OUR PLAN.
I REALLY EXPECTED THAT THIS THING WOULD COME BACK WITH NO CONDITIONS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
BUT THEN, UH, WHEN IT WENT TO THE CITY STAFF, UM, ALL KINDS OF NEW THINGS WERE BROUGHT UP.
AND SOME OF THESE THINGS, UH, YOU'RE GONNA GIMME A LITTLE BIT EMOTIONAL HERE, UM, BECAUSE I'M PRETTY UPSET ABOUT THIS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH, UH, AN INFORMAL REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT, AND THE CITY STAFF IS NOW TRYING TO CHANGE THINGS FROM THAT INFORMAL REVIEW THAT WERE VOTED ON BY THE BOARD AND AGREED TO BY THE BOARD.
AND NOW, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ROOF PITCH, THE ROOF PITCH WAS AGREED TO.
WE HAD AN EXTENSIVE CONVERSATION HERE.
I MEAN, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A HALF AN HOUR TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY HOW THAT ROOF WOULD HIT THAT WINDOW, UH, THAT WE WERE THERE.
AND, UH, YOU'LL PROBABLY REMEMBER I AGREED THAT ROOF, WE WERE GONNA FIELD ADJUST IT TO HIT RIGHT BELOW THAT WINDOW.
SO WE'D HAVE NO CONFLICT WITH THAT WINDOW.
IT WOULD BE VERY MINOR, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL BUILDING FABRIC THAT WOULD BE COVERED.
AND, UM, IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE DRAWING THAT SHE JUST, UH, PUT OF THE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LOWERING THE ROOF PITCH, THAT DRAWING DOES NOT JUST RE REPRESENT LOWERING THE ROOF PITCH.
IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT DRAWING, SHE'S STEPPING BACK THE, UH, THE PORTION OF THE ROOF THAT COVERS THE PORCH SO THAT THE PORCH BECOMES LIKE THIS REALLY SHORT PORCH ON THE SIDE.
SO, I MEAN, I HAVE NO, UH, AND INTENTION WHATSOEVER OF KIND OF BENDING ON THAT.
UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, THIS WAS AGREED TO AT THE INFORMAL REVIEW, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AT ALL THAT THE CITY STAFF DECIDED TO CHANGE THAT AND BRING IT BACK HERE AND THEN SAY, THIS IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL NOW WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN THAN WITH THE BOARD HAD ALREADY VOTED ON.
UM, SO YEAH, I'M PRETTY, PRETTY BOTHERED BY THAT.
AND THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
UM, UH, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF, UH, THE MORE SIGNIFICANT ONES.
ONE OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ROOF THAT, UH, CITY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING NOW, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PULLING BACK A ROOF.
UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I GET THAT THEY'RE NOT ARCHITECTS, BUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE PULLING BACK THE HYPHEN ROOF SO THAT THE KITCHEN L ROOF WILL NOW, UM, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO EXPLAIN, BUT BASICALLY, SO THE KITCHEN L ROOF IS LIKE COMING DOWN LIKE THIS, AND THE, UH, HYPHEN ROOF COMES UP LIKE THIS, AND THAT'S WHERE IT HITS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE WATER COME DOWN HERE, HIT THE ROOF, AND THEN LIKE SHOOT UP OVER TOP OF A, UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS A TWO PITCH, UH, HYPHEN ROOF.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE LIKE SHOOTING WATER, BASICALLY UP THROUGH THE RIDGE OF THE HYPHEN, WHICH WILL PROBABLY HAVE A RIDGE VENT, WHICH WOULD SHOOT IT RIGHT DOWN INTO THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, THAT'S, NO, I HAVE NO INTENTION OF SAYING THAT'S OKAY.
SO THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PROBLEMS. AND SO, YEAH, I'M QUITE SURPRISED THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE CITY'S, UH, HISTORICAL ARCHITECT EXPERT, YOU KNOW, GOES THROUGH THIS, SHE DIDN'T RECOMMEND THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE OTHER THINGS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UH, PORCH COLUMNS, UH, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY STAFF TO PUT FOUR PORCH COLUMNS ON THE BACK.
IT'S A 12 FOOT WIDE PORCH THAT WOULD GIVE YOU AN OPEN SPACE OF ABOUT THAT FAR BETWEEN EACH COLUMN.
NOW, THAT WASN'T PRESENTED HERE, WHICH I'M, I'M GRATEFUL FOR, BUT THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE CITY PLANNING REPORT THAT I RECEIVED, UH, A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DID HAVE A FAIRLY LONGER REBUTTAL OF, UH, I ACTUALLY WROTE UP AN 18
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PAGE REBUTTAL OF ALL THE, THE ISSUES.MOST OF THEM, THANKFULLY WERE NOT RAISED.
UM, BUT YEAH, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS.
SO THE ROOF OVER THE ADDITION IS, I, I ASSUME YOUR MAJOR ISSUE? THE NO, THE, WELL, YEAH, IT'S NOT THE ADDITION.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE SIDE, UH, YEAH, THE 1930S EDITION, I GUESS WE'D SAY.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT THINGS.
THE FACT THAT THAT WAS JUST COMPLETELY CHANGED AND CHANGED IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS.
YOU KNOW, BOTH TRYING TO DROP THE PITCH ON IT, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS ADVISABLE GOING BELOW.
UH, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME YOU GO BELOW THREE PITCH, YOU'RE REALLY RUNNING INTO LEAK PROBLEMS, UM, EVEN ON STANDING SEAM, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
UM, BUT ALSO JUST LIKE CHANGING THE WHOLE CONTOUR OF IT WHERE YOU JUST, UH, BASICALLY GET RID OF THAT HALF THAT COVERED PORCH OR WHATEVER THE PROPOSAL WAS.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A VERY ILL, ILL-ADVISED, UH, CONSTRUCTION PLAN.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE VISUALIZING THESE THINGS IN THREE DIMENSIONS, BUT I MEAN, FROM THE SIDE IT DOESN'T LOOK SHOCKING.
BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY WERE TO BUILD THIS IN THREE DIMENSIONS, NO BUILDER WOULD EVER BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO, YEAH, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, BUT SHE SAID CONSIDER IT.
WE'LL CONSIDER IT, BUT I'M NOT CONSIDERING THAT.
SO TO SUMMARIZE, YOU WOULD LIKE THE CONDITIONS FOR THE ROOF PITCH TO BE REMOVED FROM THE RECOMMENDATION? WELL, SEE, THAT'S WHAT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING TO ME ABOUT HER PRESENTATION, BECAUSE SHE SAID, THIS ISN'T REALLY A CONDITION, IT'S TO BE CONSIDERED.
I THINK MY MIC TURNED OFF THERE.
UM, AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, OKAY, WE'LL CONSIDER IT, BUT I MEAN, BUT TO SAY IT'S A CONDITION APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OF THOSE THINGS WERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PRESENTATIONS YOU JUST GAVE, SHE DIDN'T SAY THEY'RE CONDITIONS, SHE SAID THINGS TO CONSIDER.
AND SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THAT EVEN MEANS.
BUT IF WE REMOVE THOSE CONSIDERATIONS IN ONE A, B, AND C OF THE CONDITIONS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALREADY CONSIDERED IT, I'M NOT SAYING WE WOULD VOTE THIS WAY, I'M JUST SAYING IF THE BOARD WOULD VOTE TO REMOVE THOSE CONDITIONS BECAUSE YOU'VE CONSIDERED THEM AND HAVE FOUND THEM TO BE PROBLEMATIC.
WOULD THAT BE A CORRECT SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT.
CAN WE GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE CONDITIONS ONE BY ONE AND FIND OUT YOUR RESPONSE? SURE, SURE.
SO WE'VE DEALT WITH THE ROOF PITCH.
THE NEXT IS THE MADAM, MADAM CHAIR.
UM, THE ROOF PITCH SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE MAKING HERE WERE EXACTLY WHAT WAS SHOWN AT INFORMAL.
AND AS IT SEEMS TO ME FROM THE MINUTES THAT THE BOARD WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE WINDOW APPEARANCE AND THAT THE WINDOW BE CLEARED BEYOND THAT, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, IT DIDN'T SEEM THAT THE BOARD WAS CONCERNED WITH THE PITCH AS LONG AS THE WINDOW WAS CLEAR.
UH, AND CAN I JUST POINT OUT, YOU SAID IF THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE, THE APPLICANT SHALL DEMONSTRATE WHY NOT? THAT DOESN'T MEAN TO CONSIDER IT.
THAT MEANS
I I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT AS I READ IT NOW.
SO, BUT AT ANY RATE, WE'RE BEYOND THAT.
LET'S MOVE TO, YOU WANTED TO MOVE TO THE NEXT? YEAH, WELL, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ABOUT ROOF PITCH, JUST IN REGARDS TO ROOF PITCH, TO ME, IT'S, IT'S NOT A MAJOR ISSUE.
UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE HOUSE FROM A HISTORIC STANDPOINT, UH, I WANT TO SEE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE REMAINING AS IT IS.
AND, UM, THE ADDITION BEING SUBORDINATE, UM, I THINK THE ROOF NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE MOST PRACTICAL AND, UM, UH, UH, MOST SOLID CONSTRUCTION THAT YOU CAN HAVE.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I SEE A LOT OF VALUE IN, IN PLACING A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS ON HIM IN REGARDS TO THE ROOF PITCH.
I, I'D JUST LIKE TO KEEP US GOING IN THE ORDER, THAT'S ALL.
BUT I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT ROOF PITCH.
I JUST WANNA KEEP US ON TOPIC.
BUT IF WE CAN ELIMINATE THE FIRST ONE, IF WE ARE DISCUSSING WHAT ALL THESE CONDITIONS ARE.
'CAUSE CLEARLY WE'VE GOT TWO PAGES OF THEM.
ARE WE EVEN GOING TO CONSIDER THAT OR ARE WE GONNA GO BACK AND CONSIDER IT? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
NO, I THINK WE CAN CONSIDER IT.
I, I, I WANNA GO THROUGH MR. HAN'S REACTION TO EACH OF THESE, AND THEN WE CAN TALK, WE'LL, THEN WE'LL DISCUSS OKAY.
A GOOD PLAN? I JUST WANNA KEEP US YES.
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SO LOOKING AT MR. HAN'S REACTION TO NUMBER TWO AND THE COLUMNS, UM, I DID PROVIDE, UH, OKAY.UM, I DID ACTUALLY PROVIDE A DETAIL OF THE COLUMNS, UH, A PHOTOGRAPH THAT SOMEHOW DID NOT GET, UH, PUT ON THE PLANS.
I DID SEND THAT THIS MORNING TO MS. HOLT.
UM, THAT COULD BE WHY, BECAUSE IT CAME IN THIS MORNING AND NOT OH, WELL, CORRECT.
I MEAN, SHE, BECAUSE I GOT THAT STAFF REPORT THAT SAID THIS, THIS DETAIL NEEDS TO BE, SO I, I SENT IT TO HER.
I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I GET IT, THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THERE.
UH, I SENT IT TO MY ARCHITECT AND IT, IT JUST WASN'T PUT ON THE MATERIAL LIST.
SO DOES IT I DO HAVE A PICTURE.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA BRING UP THAT, UM, REPORT, THE REPORT THAT I SENT YOU, IT'S IN YOUR ONBOARD PACK.
IT DID MAKE IT TO OUR MATERIALS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY ARCHITECT COULD DRAW THAT UP AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE, RIGHT.
IT NEEDS TO BE ACTUAL DIMENSIONS NEEDS TO BE SCALED AND DETAILED, CORRECT, YEAH.
AND INCLUDE IT IN THE FINAL PLANS BEFORE THEY CAN PROCEED TO BUILDING PERMIT.
IS IT UNDER THE DRAWINGS CATEGORY? WHERE IS IT AT? IT'S UNDER THE, UM, APPLICANT REBUTTAL.
LOOK AT PROBABLY ABOUT COUPLE THREE PAGES IN SOMETHING.
IT'S JUST, IT'S A PHOTOGRAPH OFS.
OH, IT'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF CORRECT.
CAN CAN YOU TELL ME THE PAGE NUMBER IN THE BOOK? 2 62, MS. HOLT? IS THAT SORT OF GETTING NEAR WHAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING? YES, IT CERTAINLY COULD BE.
I'M PAGE 7 0 7 OF THE REBUTTAL, CORRECT? YES.
IT'S JUST A PHOTOGRAPH OF A HOUSE WITH COLUMNS,
SO IF THAT'S ON THE, IN THE DIRECTION OF WHAT STAFF IS CONSIDERING OR IS THINKING, THEN OKAY.
AT LEAST WE'RE, AND, AND THAT'S NOT OBJECTIONABLE TO YOU? NO, NOT AT ALL.
I, I, YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE DRAWINGS TO THAT.
AND NOW THE QUESTION, AND IT'S NOT FOR NOW, BUT FOR THE BOARD WILL BE WHETHER WE FEEL COMFORTABLE LEAVING THAT DECISION UP TO STAFF, KNOWING THAT HE'LL SUBMIT PLANS WITH A COLUMN IN IT LATER.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS LEFT ON COLUMNS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
MOVING ON TO WINDOWS AND DOORS.
I WAS JUST READY TO TOUCH THAT SCREEN.
A LONG LIST ON WINDOWS AND DOORS.
COULD YOU RESPOND TO EACH OF THOSE, MR. HANH? UH, I SURE CAN, UH, ADJUST WINDOW SIZES AND PROPORTIONS FOR THE ADDITION.
UH, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THIS.
UH, I, UM, HAD SUGGESTED THIS, UH, AGAIN, DID NOT GET INCLUDED IN THE PLANS.
THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, WHETHER AN EGRESS WINDOW SIZE WAS NEEDED SINCE IT'S A BEDROOM.
AND, UH, I DID NOT BELIEVE THAT IT WAS NEEDED, BUT, UH, ONE OF THE ARCHITECT'S STAFF DID BELIEVE IT WAS NEEDED TO, AND SO THAT'S WHY THESE WINDOWS ARE THIS SIZE BECAUSE THEY'RE EGRESS SIZE, UH, SINCE WE HAVE A DOOR ON THE BACK, YOU DON'T NEED AN EGRESS WINDOW THOUGH.
AND SO I DO THINK I AGREE ACTUALLY, THAT A MORE, UH, A NARROWER WINDOW FORM IS BETTER.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, THESE ARE 36 INCH WIDE WINDOWS.
I THINK SOMETHING LIKE 30 INCHES WIDE WOULD BE A, A MORE APPROPRIATE WINDOW.
UH, WINDOW AND TRIM DETAILS, YOU SPOKE AT LENGTH ABOUT THE, THE, THE, WHAT WAS SUBMITTED IS NOT, AND I ASSUME MS. HOL, THIS IS WHAT THIS REFERS TO THE PICTURE OF THE SAMPLE WINDOW.
THIS IS FOR THE HISTORIC PORTION OF THE HOUSE AND HOW THE NEW WINDOWS FIT INTO THE OLD OPENINGS.
SO THE WINDOW AND TRIM DETAILS THAT ARE IN THE PROPOSAL ARE EITHER NOT ENOUGH OR CORRECT.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MR. HANH? YEAH, I'M, I'M, I GUESS I'M NOT CLEAR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE ANY OF THE TRIM.
I MEAN, WE'RE JUST PUTTING WINDOWS IN.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, SO THEY JUST REPLACED THE OLD WINDOW.
THE TRIM IS ACTUALLY EMBEDDED INTO, UH, STONE AND MORTAR AND REALLY CAN'T BE CHANGED.
AND WE WEREN'T PLANNING ON DOING ANYTHING WITH THE TRIM.
MS. HOLT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT ABSOLUTELY MAKES SENSE.
WE SIMPLY NEED TO HAVE THAT EXPLAINED ON THE PLANS.
UH, C ENSURE SPECIFIED WINDOWS MEET BOTH COLOR AND GUIDELINE REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING APPROPRIATE SASH, MUNCHIN, AND
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CLASS POR GLASS PROPORTIONS.YEAH, I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU, A, AGAIN, I ASSUME THIS IS JUST BECAUSE THE PLANS SUBMITTED WERE INCOMPLETE.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR AT C NOW THREE C.
SO WHAT ARE YOU NOT SURE ABOUT THAT'S WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT? YOU MEAN, UH, I GUESS MY QUESTION, SARAH, WOULD BE, IF I HAD SAID MARVIN ULTIMATE, WOULD THAT, WOULD THIS REQUIREMENT BE ON HERE? I, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ONE OF MY FRUSTRATIONS IS THAT, AND I DID EXPRESS THIS, YOU KNOW, IN MY DISCUSSION WITH THE LEADERSHIP FROM THAT DEPARTMENT YESTERDAY IS, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICT IN HERE HAS, THESE WINDOWS ARE APPROVED.
SO IF YOU GET, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE THE WINDOW VARIETY I HAVE ACTUALLY IS ON THEIR APPROVED LIST FOR EVERY HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THIS AREA.
AND THEY, THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDE A LIST OF 14 DIFFERENT WINDOWS.
WHEN I ASKED WHAT WINDOWS ARE APPROVED, WE HAVE THAT LIST OF WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST BY THE BOARD.
UM, I, I WAS PROVIDED WITH NOTHING EXCEPT FOR MARVIN.
I, I, I BE THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO DIRECT YOUR QUESTIONS TO ME, AND I'LL SURE HAVE MS. HOLT RESPOND, BUT SURE.
UM, SO THE ISSUE IT SOUNDS LIKE IS THAT YOU'RE UNCLEAR OF WHAT WINDOW CHOICES WOULD BE AVAILABLE.
AND I, LIKE I SAID, I SPECIFICALLY INQUIRED AND THEY SAID, WE HAVE NO LIST OF APPROVED WINDOWS.
MS. HOLT, UM, DON'T WE HAVE A LIST THE ANSWER? LET ME, LET ME START WITH THE ANSWER THAT WAS PROVIDED WAS MARVIN ULTIMATE HAS BEEN APPROVED A LOT IN THE DISTRICT.
SO TWO VERY IMPORTANT WORDS THAT WE CAN'T FORGET.
UM, WE DO NOT, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, OR SIMILAR WAS NOT NO.
PLEASE, MS. ON, WE DO NOT HAVE A LIST OF WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
WE HAVE THE, UM, THE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS.
BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A LIST BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO PIN PEOPLE DOWN.
WE WANT THEM TO COME FORWARD WITH WHATEVER MEETS THE CODE AND THE GUIDELINES.
SO COULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN THREE C? YES.
WE WANNA UNDERSTAND THE RATIOS OF GLASS TO SASH.
WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THE MOUNTAINS ARE THE SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS WITH THE SPACERS INSTEAD OF THE SANDWICH GRILLS.
BETWEEN THE GLASS, WHICH WAS WHAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE INFORMATION THAT WE REVIEWED.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND THEN THE GLASS, OH, YOU SAID THAT THE GLASS TO, OKAY.
SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE, WE, THEY, THEY NEED MORE DETAILS THAN WHAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVING, AND IT COULD VERY WELL BE APPROVABLE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO KNOW.
WELL, AND LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE ISSUES I THINK I'VE HAD WITH THIS WHOLE PROCESS WITH THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN KIND OF THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF WORDS HAVE MEANINGS AND THINGS ARE SAID DIFFERENTLY NOW THAN WERE SAID BEFORE.
THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT, OR SIMILAR, THE ACTUAL EMAIL, I STILL HAVE A COPY OF IT, IS WE DON'T HAVE A LIST.
MARVIN ULTIMATE WAS USED BEFORE THAT.
WAS IT THERE WAS NOT, OR SIMILAR.
YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I, I REALLY THINK A LOT OF THIS IS THE CITY STAFF, AND I DID EXPRESS THIS TO JENNY YESTERDAY, WAS I FEEL THAT THE CITY STAFF IS SORT OF PUTTING THE HOMEWORK ON US TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF LIKE GUESS WHAT WINDOW WOULD MEET THEIR APPROVAL.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO GO AROUND AND FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE SIZES OF ALL THE SASHES ARE AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF WHEN, YOU KNOW, AND IT DOES NOT PIN ANYBODY DOWN TO PROVIDE A LIST OF THESE WINDOWS ARE APPROPRIATE, BECAUSE I DO HAVE THE IT DOES, AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE AND THE STAFF ARE NOT THE DESIGNERS YOU ARE, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE DIMENSIONS, THAT'S WHAT AN ARCHITECT DOES IS PROVIDE THOSE THINGS.
SO, OR GET WINDOW MAKERS THEMSELVES WILL DO THAT.
IT JUST, IT MAKES IT A LOT MORE WORK WHEN, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY SHE SAID, THE ONLY THING WE'VE EVER APPROVED OF MARVIN.
I MEAN, THAT WAS THE IMPLICATION I GOT FROM THAT.
I MEAN, WHEN I HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR APPROVED WINDOWS? OKAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.
THE ONLY THING WE'VE APPROVED, SHE DIDN'T SAY WE'VE NEVER APPROVE, WE'LL NEVER APPROVE ANYTHING ELSE.
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C IS MORE DETAIL.I GET THAT AND I GET THAT, AND IT WILL BE, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATION WITH, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE PROCESS BECAUSE THERE'S, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST BEEN LIKE A LOT OF SORT OF SHIFTING WORDS AND I MEAN, I'VE HAD THINGS AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO BRING US TO AN ANSWER TONIGHT.
CLARIFY, WHICH WINDOWS ARE DOUBLE HUNG, FIXED ENCASEMENT.
AGAIN, THEY JUST NEED TO KNOW.
WHICH I, I DID SEND THAT TO HER THIS MORNING, BUT IS IT BEING INCLUDED ON YOUR DRAWINGS, THE FACT THAT YOU WELL, IT WILL BE, I, I THINK WE DO NEED TO UPDATE THE DRAWINGS.
SO, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT I SAY I SENT TO HER, WE'RE GONNA PUT ON OUR DRAWINGS TOO.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM FROM THE BEGINNING, THAT THIS STUFF WAS NOT ON THE DRAWINGS.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY CANCELED OR THAT THEY WERE ON INCONSISTENTLY.
WELL, SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY STAFF CAN'T TELL YOU, YOU NO, NO, I GET THAT.
I MEAN, I, I, I'M NOT DEFENDING THAT THE DRAWINGS WERE PERFECT.
PROVIDE EXACT WINDOW SAMPLE WITH SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS AND SPACER.
I HAD, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING I, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO BUY A $500 WINDOW, A WINDOW SAMPLE THAT AGAIN HAS A MEANING.
THOSE ARE THOSE LITTLE, UH, CORNER CUTS, RIGHT.
WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY LIKE LOOK AT THOSE THINGS.
THEY DON'T GIVE THOSE THINGS AWAY.
THOSE ARE ABOUT $500 TO BUY ONE OF THOSE.
I DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE, AND I'M NOT SURE WHY SHE NEEDS IT.
I MEAN, IF IT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, IS IT REQUIRED WHEN YOU SUBMIT A PLAN FOR A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW FOR IN ADDITION TO A HOUSE THAT THEY SUBMIT WINDOW SAMPLES VERY OFTEN WE DO GET WINDOW SAMPLES, AND ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE NOT SURE ABOUT THE SPECIFIED MATERIALS.
SO IF THEY COULD GIVE MORE, WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE SUCH WINDOW, MR. HONG, PLEASE, PLEASE.
SO IF THEY COULD PROVIDE A DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE THAT COULD BE A SUBSTITUTE FOR AN ACTUAL WINDOW SAMPLE.
IT COULD BE, AS LONG AS THAT INFORMATION MATCHES ABSOLUTELY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT SHOWN ON THE PLANS.
I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE HAD ACTUAL WINDOW SAMPLES.
I AM SURE THAT DISTRIBUTORS PROVIDE THOSE TO BORROW, UM, SO THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THEM WHEN WE HAVE QUESTIONS.
BUT IF IN THIS CASE THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE, ARE THERE ALTERNATIVES AS LONG AS THERE'S ENOUGH DETAIL PROVIDED TO YOU THE SPECIFICATIONS? YEP.
AND I, I DON'T MEAN TO MONOPOLIZE THIS.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, PLEASE JUMP IN.
NO, I THINK YOU ARE POINTING OUT THE NEED FOR VERY SPECIFICS ON THE WINDOWS AND WHETHER HE IS PROVIDED A SAMPLE BY THE MANUFACTURER, OR IF HE IS PROVIDED A DETAILED SPEC LIST THAT SH SHOWS NOT ONLY THE MATERIALS THAT IT'S MADE OUT OF, BUT HOW IT'S CONSTRUCTED, ET CETERA, AND PROVIDES THAT AND SPECIFIES THAT IN THE PLANS, THEN I THINK THAT'S GOING TO MEET THE CONDITION.
OUR CHAIRMAN, AND THIS IS WHY IT HAS TO BE SPELLED OUT LIKE THIS BECAUSE MM-HMM
AS OUR CHAIRMAN IS TRYING TO SAY, WE CAN'T APPROVE THIS PLAN WITHOUT THESE CONDITIONS.
AND IF YOU GO FORWARD WITHOUT SATISFYING THE CONDITIONS, THEN YOU'LL BE IN VIOLATION OF YOUR APPROVED PLAN.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE'RE GIVING YOU THE DIRECTION THAT SHOULD BE WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT TO MAKE THE APPROVAL.
AND I THINK WE'RE CLARIFYING THAT.
SO WE SHOULD BE IN GOOD STEAD THERE.
THREE F CONSIDER COLOR THAT PROVIDES DEPTH TO THE WINDOWS.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS? I DO UNDERSTAND IT AND I DON'T AGREE WITH IT.
WHAT WHAT THIS IS WAY BACK IN THE PLANNING REPORT, WHICH SHE DIDN'T PRESENT THIS PART.
UM, I, I HAVE A COLOR, UH, WHICH WAS WHAT I SORT OF SPECIFIED, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THAT SHEET OF WHAT COLOR THE WINDOWS WOULD BE, WHICH IS, UH, THE BAJA SORT OF COLOR, WHICH IS A SORT OF THE DARKER COLOR THAN THE WINDOW ITSELF.
AND, UH, SHE SAID THEY SHOULD BE BLACK OR DARK GREEN, AND I DON'T WANT BLACK OR DARK GREEN WINDOWS.
SO I, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING WHERE I WAS JUST LIKE THAT.
IS THAT WHAT WAS, IF I CAN CLARIFY? ABSOLUTELY, PLEASE DO.
SO IN THE PRE-APPROVED PAINT COLORS IN THAT DOCUMENT, IT DOES MENTION THAT THIS
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ERA OF BUILDING AND THIS GENERAL STYLE OF BUILDING OFTEN HAD A DARKER COLOR SUCH AS BLACK OR DARK GREEN.I'M NOT SAYING, AND TO EMPHASIZE, THIS IS NOT MY OPINION, THIS IS STAFF'S REPORT.
STAFF IS NOT SAYING BLACK OR DARK GREEN.
IT WAS SIMPLY GUIDANCE FROM THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
SO THE COLOR THAT WAS PRESENTED, I, I DON'T, ARE WE GOING, UH, YEAH, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE WINDOW PICTURE, NOT EXACTLY.
SO THE COLOR THAT IS SHOWN HERE, MOCHA CREAM IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO REVIEW.
THIS IDEA OF THE BAJA COLOR BEING MORE CLOSE TO WHAT'S INTENDED WASN'T MAYBE GREAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW, HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
SO WHAT WAS IN THE PLANS WAS WHAT'S LABELED HERE AS MOCHA CREAM? CORRECT.
THAT'S, SO STAFF HAS NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER THE BARE BAJA OR CORRECT WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, IF IT WERE A JEN WELD WINDOW.
SO YOU NEED TO SUBMIT, SUBMIT PLANS THAT MATCH YOUR INTENTIONS.
AND I, I DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, THAT THIS WAS NOT CORRECT AND DOES NEED TO BE CORRECTED.
I MEAN, AND BASICALLY, I MEAN THIS WHOLE, SO WE KNOW THAT LIST IS THE SAME, THE MOCHA CREAM, WHICH I AGREE WITH.
I THINK IT WAS YOU WHO SAID TO ME, THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A MOCHA.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE A BLACK WHITE.
SO IT'S PROBABLY THE WRONG COLOR THAT WENT INTO THE PLANS.
SO STAFF COULDN'T HAVE REVIEWED IT.
AND THEY'RE NOT SAYING BLACK OR DARK GREEN, THEY'RE SAYING NO, SHE SPECIFICALLY SAID BLACK OR DARK GREEN IN THE STAFF REPORT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING NOW IS THAT YOU NEED TO SUBMIT THE COLOR YOU INTEND TO PUT ON YOUR WINDOWS.
AND TO CLARIFY, I BELIEVE WHAT SHE SAID WAS LIKE BLACK OR DARK GREEN IS WHAT IS HISTORICALLY USED ON MM-HMM
THIS PERIOD OF HOUSE, NOT THAT YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE BLACK OR DARK GREEN.
AND, AND IT REALLY DOES, WHEN WE SAY OR SIMILAR OR THAT THIS HAS BEEN IMPROVED IN THE PAST DOESN'T MEAN WE'LL CONSIDER SOMETHING NEW OR THAT STAFF WILL CONSIDER SOMETHING NEW.
IT'S JUST WHAT THEY'RE STATING IS THAT'S WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST.
DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO DO IT NOW, BUT THEY HAVE TO SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
G PROVIDE DOOR SPECIFICATIONS, ENSURING COMPLIANCE WITH ITEMS A THROUGH F ABOVE AS APPLICABLE.
DETAILS THAT WE NEED FOR THE WINDOWS, WE NEED FOR THE DOORS.
AND THEY GOTTA BE IN THE PLANS.
UM, YOU HAD MET OH, THE HYPHEN AND I, OKAY.
SO WE DON'T WANT AN ALL GLASS HYPHEN, WHICH I CAN BE HONEST SOUNDS ODD TO ME AS WELL.
AND HOT AND, UM, AND WAY TOO MODERN TO ME, THAT'S JUST MM-HMM
I MEAN, I KNOW YOU NEED TO SEPARATE THE TYPES, BUT THAT'S JUST TOO MODERN.
SO WOULD YOU CONSIDER ADDING MORE DOORS OR WINDOWS TO NO.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS HYPHEN IS NOT SUPER LONG.
THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE EIGHT FEET OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS.
UM, AND I, I COULD WE JUST GO BACK TO LOOK AT A PICTURE OF THE, OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE JUST TO SHOW WHY I WOULD NOT CONSIDER ADDING ANOTHER WINDOW OR DOOR.
WHERE WOULD YOU PUT THEM? WHERE WOULD YOU PUT ANOTHER WINDOW OR DOOR? I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION.
I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY A GLASS DOOR WITH A WINDOW.
SO THE LANGUAGE WAS CONSIDER, UM, WHICH I THINK THE BOARD IS GONNA HAVE TO, AGAIN, THIS WILL BE FOR LATER, HAS TO DECIDE IF WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH ALLOWING STAFF TO CONSIDER AND THEN REJECT OR ACCEPT, UM, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE STAFF.
I DO UNDERSTAND HIS CONCERN THOUGH, THAT IF HE HAS CONSIDERED IT AND DOESN'T WANNA MAKE THE CHANGE, THAT THAT WON'T MAYBE BE ACCEPTED BY THE STAFF.
SO I WOULD RATHER IF WE COULD DISCUSS HOW WE FEEL ABOUT ADDING MORE WINDOWS AND DOORS TO THE HYPHEN.
SO LET'S MOVE ON TO, IF WE CAN HAVE THE LIST OF CONDITIONS AGAIN,
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REWORK FIVE, REWORK THE NINE, WE REWORK THE 1930S EDITION PANEL DESIGNED TO BETTER ADDRESS PROPORTIONS AND WINDOW ARRANGEMENTS, PROVIDE MATERIALS FOR AND OF DETAIL OF THE SAME.AND I'M GONNA, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. HAM, I'M GONNA ASK, UH, MS. HOLT TO PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY THIS.
SO THESE ARE THE PANELS THAT ARE SHOWN UNDERNEATH THE WINDOWS OF THE 1930S EDITION BEHIND THE PORCH ON THAT NORTH SIDE.
WE SIMPLY WANT TO SEE, LET ME GO BACK TO THE, LET ME GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL ELEVATION.
I COULD PROBABLY SAVE A LITTLE TIME ON THIS.
UH, BECAUSE I HAVE A PROPOSAL, UH, THAT MIGHT BE LIKE BETTER THAN, THAN WHAT IS ON THAT PLAN.
WHAT THOSE WINDOWS OR WHAT THOSE PANELS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO IS SORT OF MIMIC THE CURRENT POR PORCH FORM.
WE HAVE POURED CONCRETE DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO IT WAS, UH, UM, BOSS IN THE, UH, IN OUR INFORMAL REVIEW HAD SUGGESTED MAYBE PAYING HOMAGE TO THAT BY PUTTING IN SOMETHING THAT SORT OF LOOKED LIKE, UH, THAT POURED CONCRETE FORM WITH THESE SORT OF PANELS.
MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE WHY NOT JUST LEAVE THE POURED CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, AS IS OKAY.
AND THEN NOT EVEN PUT IN SORT OF A, AN HOMAGE TO IT.
I MEAN, ACTUALLY JUST LEAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT CONCRETE, UH, LEVEL ON DOWN.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THESE PANELS HERE? I'M POINTING THE THING THAT SAYS 19 ON IT.
SO 1919 NINETEEN'S MIMIC THE ORIGINAL LOOK, BUT I'D SAY WE JUST LEAVE THE ORIGINAL LOOK AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO MIMIC IT.
MAYBE A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE, UH, GO BACK TO A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE HOUSE IF WE'VE GOT THAT'RE LIKE CEMENT BLOCKS.
DOES IT? SO THE ORIGINAL, IT'S NOT CEMENT BLOCKS.
IT IS, BUT BELOW IS, I, I THINK ACTUALLY PRETTY NEAT BECAUSE IT HAS, UH, SOME SORT OF FLUTED, UH, FEATURES ON THE CORNERS.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE, SO THE CONCERN IS REWORK THE 1930S EDITION PANEL DESIGNED TO BETTER ADDRESS PROPORTIONS OF WINDOW ARRANGEMENTS.
THAT DOESN'T, TO ME, THAT'S NOT JUST THE PANELS BELOW, BUT IT'S BELOW THE WINDOWS.
IS THAT WHERE WE'RE IT'S BELOW.
SO WHERE I DON'T, YOU CAN'T SEE, YOU CAN'T SEE IT IN THIS PICTURE.
PROBABLY ON THE NORTH ELEVATION YOU CAN SEE IT, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THAT MADAM CHAIR.
WHAT HE IS SUGGESTING IS, WOULD BE VERY WELCOME.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE THE BEGINNING.
UM, AGAIN, WE SIMPLY NEED TO SEE IT AND THAT COULD BE FOLDED INTO THAT CONDITION.
TO ME, THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THIS CONCERN THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BETTER ADDRESS PROPORTIONS AND WINDOW ARRANGEMENTS.
SO IF HE'S GONNA LEAVE IT THE SAME
I'M, I'M JUST, NO, I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE CONCERN IS ABOUT PROPORTIONS AND WINDOW ARRANGEMENTS.
I THINK, THINK THIS HARKENS BACK TO, AND I NOT, I THINK IT DOES HARKEN BACK TO THE COMMENTS, UH, LET ME SEE.
IT'S THE OTHER SIDE HAVING TO DO WITH THE BANKS OF THREE WINDOWS VERSUS TWO.
IF YOU NOTICE, THE TWO WINDOWS IS KIND OF MISMATCHED WITH THE THREE PANELS UNDERNEATH.
SO UNLIKE UM, HERE WHERE IF IT WERE CENTERED BETWEEN THE COLUMNS AND OVER THE PANELS, IT WOULD HAVE A NICE RHYTHM AND A NICE, UM, DESIGN.
SO I THINK, AND MAYBE IT'S MY CONFUSION, I SEE PANEL DESIGN, I THINK YOU MEAN THE ENTIRE WALL DESIGN THERE, RATHER THAN INTERPRETING IT AS A PANELS BELOW THAT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? YEAH.
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ANOTHER WINDOW THERE THOUGH.IF THAT'S YOU, YOU DON'T THINK YOU PUT ENOUGH WINDOWS THERE? YEAH, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD PUT ANOTHER WINDOW.
OH, THAT THE WHOLE THING IS BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH.
UH, THAT'S A LOGO AND YOU HAVE TO PUT ON WHERE THE TWO ARE.
AND CERTAINLY WITH A REVISED TREATMENT PLAN ON THE BOTTOM, IT COULD STILL ADDRESS THAT.
SO AGAIN, JUST UPDATE THE PLANS FOR THAT WALL.
UM, CAN WE GO TO THE HYPHEN ISSUE AS WELL? WE'VE PASSED IT, BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE HYPHEN, WHICH WAS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE EIGHT FOOT.
SO THE COMMENT, I THINK THE CONDITION WAS TO ADD MORE, UM, WINDOWS AND DOORS TO THE HYPHEN.
AND THE RESPONSE TONIGHT WAS, THERE'S ONLY EIGHT FEET THERE.
THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR MORE WINDOWS AND DOORS.
HOW DOES THE STAFF FEEL ABOUT THAT RESPONSE? WE ENVISION THAT YOU COULD CENTER THE DOORS AND HAVE TWO SMALLER WINDOWS, ONE ON EACH SIDE.
CAN I, CAN I SUGGEST JUST LIKE, WE DON'T WANT THAT HYPHEN TO BE ALL GLASS.
I REALLY DON'T WANT MORE WINDOWS.
PERSONALLY, I DON'T WANNA SEE YOU WALKING TO YOUR KITCHEN.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD, GIVEN WHAT THE USE INDOORS IS, I'M, I'M SORRY, BUT I CAN'T HELP THAT I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO YOU.
WELL, I, I THINK THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN HAVING THAT ALL GLASS, HAVING MORE GLASS
AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE, IT APPEARS THAT THE WINDOW THAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE HYPHEN MIRRORS THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE IN THE THIRTIES EDITION.
I DON'T, YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO, I, I KNOW IT'S HARD FOR YOU, YOU ALL TO APPRECIATE HOW CLOSE OUR HOUSES ACTUALLY ARE.
I CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE.
DO YOU HAVE TO CALL HIM AND HAVE HIM CHANGE THE CHANNEL ON THE TV
AND THEY DON'T LIVE THERE CURRENTLY.
I PERSONALLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE TOO BUSY IF WE PUT MORE WINDOWS IN THERE.
SO IF THEY'RE SMALL, SO I'M ALL RIGHT.
SO WHERE WERE WE? UM, THE TRIPLE CENTER.
SO SHE'S, MS. HOLTZ TALKED A LOT ABOUT CENTERING THE TRIPLE WINDOWS BETWEEN THE COLUMNS.
I THINK THAT COULD PROBABLY BE OKAY.
UH, SEVEN PROVIDED DETAILS SHOWING PAIRED TRIPLE WINDOWS HAVE CASINGS BETWEEN WHICH PAIRED TRIPLE IS THAT ON THE SAME WALL.
UM, WE SIMPLY NEED TO SEE THE DETAIL FOR THAT.
SO WE JUST NEED THAT IN THE PLANS.
JUST ADD THAT TO THE DRAWINGS.
UH, PROVIDE INFORMATION ON FOUNDATION WATER TABLE MORTAR AND A TRADITIONAL DETAIL FOR THE SUM CAP.
THAT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE MORE MISSING INFORMATION.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, I MEAN, THE MORTARS, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO MATCH THE HOUSE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT OTHER THAN TO SAY IT MATCHES THE HOUSE TYPE MS HOLD, CAN YOU SPEAK TO MORE DETAILS? BUT THERE'S A COLOR THAT CAN BE SPECIFIED.
SO DO YOU ALSO NEED TO KNOW THE TYPE? IS THERE A TYPE FOR MORTAR? WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT.
UH, NUMBER NINE, COORDINATE INFORMATION ON SITE PLAN REGARDING MATERIAL FOR NEW BATTERY.
THAT WAS THE BRICK VERSUS STONE BUSINESS.
YOU JUST NEED TO CLEAR THAT UP IN THE PLANS.
YEAH, I MEAN, I, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, COULD WE GO TO THE SITE PLAN SO WE CAN ACTUALLY, I THINK WE COULD CLEAR THIS UP BECAUSE I JUST SAW IT.
I THINK WE, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID.
I DON'T, YEAH, IT'S ON THE SITE PLAN.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REHASH THAT, DO WE? NO, AS LONG AS WE MAKE YOU NOT, WE
SHE ACTUALLY JUST FLIPPED PAST IT.
COULD WE LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN? 'CAUSE I, I REALLY DO WANT ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE OKAY.
I SEE WHERE IT SAYS WITH FLAGSTONE.
I SEE WHERE IT SAYS THE BRICK.
THERE WAS SIMPLY SOME PLACE ELSE, ELSE THAT WAS, IT WAS CONFUSING.
SO JUST MAKE SURE YOUR ENTIRE PACKET IS CONSISTENT WITH ITSELF.
UM, PROVIDE ACTUAL PAINT CHIPS.
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THEY'RE RIGHT THERE.SO THEY JUST NEED TO COME INTO STAFF.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIR.
UH, BASSAM JUST BROUGHT ME THE, UM, NARRATIVE FOR THE PROJECT AND IT DOES SAY ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE NARRATIVE THAT THE EXISTING PATIO STONE WILL BE REUSED.
NOT THE BRANCH I'LL, THAT'S THE CONFUSION.
EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE YEAH, I, I ALREADY SAW THAT PART.
ACTUALLY, WHAT THAT SAYS IS THAT STAFF IS READING VERY CAREFULLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT.
THIS WAS, UH, MS. HOLT BROUGHT THIS UP TO CHANGE THE CHIMNEY CAPS IN THE RELATED VENTING COLORS, WHICH LOOKED TO ME LIKE THEY WERE A CHROME COLOR.
JUST SOMETHING MORE, WELL, THEY WERE GONNA MATCH THE STANDING SEAM OF THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS KIND OF A TYPICAL THING TO DO.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S WITH THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, I I, IN MY DISCUSSION, I HAD A PICTURE 1 0 9 SOUTH RIVERVIEW, WHERE THEY HAVE THE SAME COLOR STANDING SEAM WE HAVE, THEY HAVE CHIMNEY CAPS AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR GRAY COLOR.
UH, I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM, BUT I JUST THINK BLACK IS A LITTLE BIT JARRING, UH, ON A REAL LIGHT COLORED LIMESTONE BUILDING.
UH, KIND OF STICKS OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB TO ME.
WHAT ABOUT THE MATT BRONZE? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PROBABLY MORE WOULD'VE BEEN APPROPRIATE ANYWAYS TO THE BUILDING? IT COULD BE.
I MEAN, IT DOES, IT STILL DOESN'T MATCH WITH THE ROOF.
I HAVE A HUGE WITH US WITH IT WITH
WHAT'S THAT? WORK WITH US, WORK WITH US HERE, I THINK.
NO, I, I IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY OKAY.
WHAT, WELL, WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE OKAY OR NOT.
BECAUSE IF YOU SUBMIT IT WITHOUT THE CHANGE AND THE STAFF DOESN'T AGREE, THEN WE'RE BACK TO, YOU CAN'T HAVE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED SO YOU CAN GO TO BUILDING.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THE COLOR OF THE CH OF THE ROOF IS GOING TO BE, OR THE CHIMNEY CAP? WELL, THE, THE ROOF IS, IT'S NOT THE ROOF GRAY.
IT'S, WE'RE NOT REPLACING THE ROOF.
HE HAD THE PROPOSAL FOR THE, FOR THE ADDITION.
THE STANDING SEAM ROOF? NO, THE, NO, THE THE MAIN BUILDING STANDING SEAM ROOF.
THE CHIS ARE IN THE MAIN BUILDING.
SO I'M SORRY FOR MY CONFUSION THEN.
IF THEY ARE, I THINK I WOULD TEND TO AGREE THAT MAYBE, UH, BLACK IS TOO, UM, STARK, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE PICTURE ARE VERY, UM, BRIGHT AND REFLECTIVE.
SO MAYBE THE BRONZE IS A BETTER OPTION.
YEAH, I, I, I WOULD, I MEAN, MY PERSONAL FEELING WOULD BE SOMETHING MORE GALVANIZED LIKE THE ROOF, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE COULD, COULD TRY TO GET BRONZE.
I MEAN, IT, IT GETS A LITTLE BIT TOUGH WITH LIKE FIREPLACE MANUFACTURERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHETHER THEY EVEN PROVIDE A BRONZE COLOR BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE CAP AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE EXTENSION THAT COMES THROUGH THE CAP.
UM, AND SO I GUESS SARAH, WOULD IT BE OKAY WITH STAFF IF WE LEAVE THE FINAL DECISION ABOUT THE CHIMNEY CAP COLOR? WHETHER IT BE THE GALVANIZED, BUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT WAS SUBMITTED? RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE OTHER COLORS LOOK LIKE AND YOU DON'T EITHER.
UM, BUT IF WE COULD LEAVE THAT DECISION UP, JUST LIKE WE LEAVE PAINT COLOR, SUCH AS, AS LONG AS THE BOARD AGREES, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE STAFF WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT.
LIKE CHA JUST EVEN CHANGING THE LANGUAGE TO INSTEAD OF CHANGE COLOR OF CHIMNEY CAPS, BUT, UM, CONSIDER, WELL TO CONSIDER, BUT, UM, MATCH COLLAR, CHIMNEY CAPS AND RELATING, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING.
HOW ABOUT ENSURE THAT THE CHIMNEY CAPS AND RELATED STUFF IS A MAT GALVANIZED? OKAY.
HOW'S THAT? AND STAFF WOULD BE COMFORTABLE PICKING OUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, OR NOT PICKING OUT, BUT APPROVING OR NOT APPROVING WHATEVER SHADE IT IS THAT IS SUBMITTED.
AND, AND, UM, THE OBSERVATION WAS CORRECT THAT IT LOOKED VERY SHINY.
AND, AND TO STAFF'S CREDIT, THAT'S ALL THEY HAD TO GO ON, SO.
UH, THE NEXT ONE, AND I'LL LET, UM, SARAH WORK ON CHANGING THE LANGUAGE, BUT THE LAST ONE, YAY.
IS CONSIDER USING A DIFFERENT ROOF SEAM WIDTH TO DIFFERENTIATE, DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN OLD AND THE ADDITION.
IS THAT FEASIBLE? UM, I THINK IT'S FEASIBLE, UM, DOWN HERE.
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IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S SORT OF IN CONFLICT WITH THE, WITH THE KAREN BOCOS REPORT WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T DO THAT.YOU KNOW, SHE SAID THAT SHE WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT ALL MATCH, UH, BECAUSE SHE ACTUALLY EXPRESSED A CONCERN IN OUR, ON OUR DRAWING.
SHE'S LIKE, I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE, THOSE PANELS LOOK A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT WIDTH.
AND SHE SAYS, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU MATCH THE, THE EXACT COLOR AND WIDTH OF THE STANDING SEAM IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS.
SO, UM, I MEAN, PERSONALLY I'D GO WITH WHAT KAREN BOORT SAYS ON THAT.
I MEAN, TO ME THAT LOOKS BETTER THAN, YOU KNOW, JUST THROWING A DIFFERENT KIND OF ROOF ON, ON THE ADDITION.
AND I DO NOTE THAT STAFF SAID CONSIDER USING A DIFFERENT ROOF SEAM.
SO IT'S NOT, CLEARLY, IT'S NOT A CODE, CLEARLY IT'S NOT A CODE REQUIREMENT.
AND HONESTLY, I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF USING THE SAME SEAM ON IT BECAUSE WITH THE HYPHEN AND THE SETBACK AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH THE ADDITION, IT WILL, I BELIEVE, DIFFERENTIATE SUFFICIENTLY WITHOUT, AND MAYBE THE ROOF MATERIALS BEING DIFFERENT WOULD JUST LOOK ODD.
NOT MATERIALS, BUT I MEAN, THE SEAMING, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE LIKE IF YOU PUT, IF IT HAD BOARD AND BATTEN GOING THIS WAY, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU TURNED IT THIS WAY FOR THE ADDITION, I WOULDN'T LIKE THAT EITHER.
SO I THINK KEEPING IT THE SAME SIZE IS OKAY.
AND WE COULD, IF IT'S SPECIFIED CLEARLY IN THE PLANS, THEN POSSIBLY REMOVE NUMBER 12.
I THINK HAVING IT BE A CONSISTENT ROOF WOULD LOOK BETTER AND WOULD ACTUALLY BRING IT IN TOGETHER EVEN MM-HMM
AND WE KNOW ENOUGH THAT IT'S SEPARATE.
I LIKE IT WHEN ADDITIONS REFLECT THE ORIGINAL.
UM, I DON'T WANT ALL GLASS ADDITIONS EITHER.
SO THAT'S, WE'VE GONE THROUGH EACH AND EVERY, EVERYONE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MAY BE GETTING SOMEWHERE.
ACTUALLY, UM, SARAH, IF YOU COULD, OH, SHE'S CHANGING THINGS.
I THINK WHAT OUR NEXT STEP IS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
DO WE WANT TO, WELL, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE APPROVAL? AND IF WE FEEL POSITIVE TOWARDS APPROVING THE PLANS AS SUBMITTED, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AND FIGURE OUT WHETHER WE FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT EACH OF THESE CONDITIONS.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED, WE CAN DO THAT AND INCORPORATE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS ALTERED.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? BECAUSE FIRST WE HAVE TO APPROVE A WAIVER.
I MEAN, THE FIRST THING WE DO RIGHT, IS APPROVE THE WAIVER FOR LOT SIZE, UM, COVERAGE LOT COVERAGE, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHICH MAYBE IS THE EASIEST THING WE COULD DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? CAN I MOVE THAT? YES, YOU CAN.
I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER, UH, TO, UM, WELL, I DON'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN 28.4.
PARDON? IT WAS 28.4 NUMBER, 28.4%, WHICH REQUIRES THE WAIVER.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
NOW, UM, TO RESPOND TO YOUR OTHER QUESTION, IT'S, THESE AREN'T RECOMMENDATIONS.
WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MS. HOL, BUT THEY'RE CONDITIONS TO OUR APPROVAL OF THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.
SO IT'S TITLED RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE THE WHOLE THING IS THE BOARD, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO TO GO BACK TO YES, THANK YOU, SARAH, FOR MOVING IT TO PAGE ONE, UH, ROOF PATCH.
WE HAD A, A, A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT I WOULD BE, UM, COMFORTABLE BASED ON THE DISCUSSION BEFORE OF REMOVING THIS CONDITION, GIVEN THAT WE DID HAVE AN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AT OUR OTHER MEETING.
AND WE, I SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT HAVING THAT WINDOW EXPOSED.
SO I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION THAT IT HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSIDERED AND THAT IT COULD BE, UM, REMOVED ENTIRELY AS A CONDITION.
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I AGREE.SO WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS RIGHT ROOF PITCH.
WHILE SARAH'S DOING THAT, UM, I DIDN'T HEAR, UM, ANY CONTROVERSY OVER THE PROVIDING CLASSICAL DETAILS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, MR. HOLMES ALREADY STARTED ON THAT.
THAT'S THE, THIS IS THE PORCH COLUMNS.
HE'S ALREADY, WE JUST NEED DETAIL IN THE PLANS.
SO WE'RE, DOESN'T A MATTER, IT'S NOW IN FRONT OF ME.
UM, SO WE'RE OKAY WITH LEAVING THAT ONE IN, UH, WINDERS AND DOORS.
THE MAIN PROBLEM IS THAT THE DETAIL'S NOT IN THE PLANS.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET YEAH, WE, REAL DETAILED THING.
WE JUST NEED INFORMATION IN THE PLAN
AND FOR EXAMPLE, ON B, IF THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE EXISTING TRIM DETAIL, YOU CAN NOTE THAT ON THE PLAN.
THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE TRIM DETAIL.
WE ARE INSERTING THE WINDOW WITHIN THE EXISTING DETAIL AS FAR AS APPROVAL OF A ALTERNATE OR A APPROPRIATE, UH, WINDOW.
THE ONE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO USE MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA.
IT JUST HAS NOT PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED.
AND YOU'LL WANNA LOOK AT THE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO COMPARE IT TO THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED MM-HMM
BEFORE, SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF YEAH, I I'VE LOOKED AT THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE PROVIDED ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR THEM.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO JUST GET THEM THE LITERATURE EXACTLY.
AND IT, I'M SURE THE COMPANY WILL WORK WITH YOU ON THAT AS FAR AS PROVIDING ALL THE NECESSARY DETAIL.
AND ONCE YOU'VE PAVED THAT WAY, JUST THINK OF HOW MANY MORE WINDOWS THEY CAN SELL IN DUBLIN, OHIO.
UM, AND LET'S TURN TO PAGE TWO.
SO WE DELETED NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER FIVE.
UM, OKAY, SO THE LATTER HALF IS THE SAME DISCUSSION BEFORE.
OH, WE DISCUSSED THIS, THE REWORK, THE 1930S ADDITIONAL PAN ADDITION PANEL DESIGN.
I'M SORRY, HE'S GONNA LEAVE THAT.
SO IT'S NOW GONNA BE LEFT AS THE, WHAT IT IS NOW.
SO MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE OUT THE FIRST HALF OF THIS.
I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, SHOWN ON THE PLANS, WOULD IT NOT? YEAH.
WELL WE'VE GOT PROVIDE MATERIALS FOR, IN A DETAIL OF, BUT YES.
PERHAPS IT SHOULD BE PROVIDE PLANS THAT WILL MATCH THE INTENTION AS YEAH, JUST MENTION THAT ON THE POINT.
SO IT COULD SAY BASICALLY REFLECT THAT THE THIRTIES EDITION PANELS WILL REMAIN OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
AND WINDOW ARRANGEMENT, THAT WAS THE OTHER THING, RIGHT.
IN THE ORIGINAL, BECAUSE HE SAID THE TWO, THERE'S A LOAD BEARING WALL THERE AND YOU CAN'T ADD THREE WINDOWS IN THERE.
AND, UM, IS THAT IN THE ADDITION OR WAS THAT IN THE, THAT WAS IN THE THIRTIES EDITION.
AND SO I THINK JUST SAYING WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT AS IS.
MAKE SURE THE PLANS REFLECT THAT.
AND ALL THE DRAWINGS NEED TO BE REMOVED, GET A CONDITION, GET UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT.
NUMBER SIX IS CENTER, THE NORTH ELEVATIONS TRIPLE WINDOW GROUPING BETWEEN THE COLUMNS.
YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND I AGREE WITH IT PERSONALLY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER CENTERED.
UM, NUMBER SEVEN, PROVIDED DETAILS SHOWING PAIRED TRIPLE WINDOWS HAVE CASINGS BETWEEN, YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO THAT.
NUMBER EIGHT, PROVIDE INFORMATION ON FOUNDATION WATER TABLE MORTAR AND A TRADITIONAL DETAIL FOR THE STONE CAP, WHICH WE JUST NEED MORE INFORMATION.
YEAH, IT'S COLOR WAS THE BIG THING.
EGG THE MORTAR COLORS MATCH IT TO WHAT YOU GOT.
SO EVERYBODY LOOK AT NUMBER FIVE, MR. HAM TWO, MAKE SURE WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
YEAH, THAT WAS THE TWO WINDOWS AS OPPOSED TO MAKING THEM INTO TRIPLE WINDOW.
TO MATCH THE OTHER BECAUSE IT, THE LOAD BEARING.
OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE ON SEVEN, RIGHT? YES.
WE, NO, WE'VE FINISHED WITH SEVEN.
COORDINATE INFORMATION ON SITE PLAN REGARDING MATERIAL FOR NEW BATTERY.
THAT'S JUST MAKE SURE YOUR PARTS, IT'S IN THE NARRATIVE EACH OTHER.
YEAH, I THOUGHT SHE CAN BE, I THINK THINK THAT CAN BE REMOVED.
I MEAN THE PATIO STONE IS BEING REUSED.
IT, YOU COULD HAVE SAID BRICK.
NO, IT'S, IT'S THE FACT THAT ONE DOCUMENT SAID ONE THING AND ANOTHER DOCUMENT SAID WHAT IT SAID IS PATIO STONE MEANING, AND HE SHOULD HAVE SAID THE BRICK NO.
NO, BUT THE OTHER DOCUMENT THAT WE DIDN'T PULL UP YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NOT CORRECT THAT IT'S THE SITE PLAN, IT'S THE NARRATIVE THAT NEEDS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY JUST SAY CHANGE
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THE NARRATIVE.AND THE NARRATIVE THAT HE USED.
YEAH, THE NARRATIVE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT STONE, THE PATIO STONE WILL BE RE USED, WHICH IS BRICK AND, AND A MIS.
SO MAY I SUGGEST THAT IN NINE YOU CHANGE ONSITE PLAN TO IN APPLICATION.
IT'S JUST CHANGING THE PATIO STONE TO PATIO BRICK, WHICH IS WHAT IT IS AND IT'S BEING REUSED AND MAKE IT CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT.
THAT'S WHY I, I'M CHANGING IT TO IN APPLICATION.
THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED.
LET'S SEE IF I CAN BRING UP, OH, GOOD.
UM, THANK YOU THAT, DOES THAT MEET WITH YOUR CONCERN, LISA? YES.
10 PROVIDE ACTUAL PAINT CHIPS.
WE NEED SPECIFIED SPECIFIC COLORS FOR COLUMNS, GUTTERS, AND DOWNSPOUTS.
I'M AGAIN, WE NEED THE WHOLE TIME I'VE SAID THEY'RE ALL ANTIQUE WHITE.
I MEAN EVERYTHING MATCHES, SO.
UM, AND WE'VE ALREADY AGREED ON 11 AND TAKEN OUT 12.
DOES THIS ALL MEET WITH EVERYBODY'S? SO BASICALLY, IF MY MATH IS RIGHT, WE ARE DOWN TO 10 CONDITIONS.
'CAUSE WE REMOVED FOUR AND 12.
OH, ONES WE'RE DOWN TO NINE, NINE CONDITIONS REMOVED ONE, FOUR AND 12.
AND, UM, MADE SOME CHANGES TO FIVE.
AND THE MAJORITY OF THE CONDITIONS ARE JUST PROVIDING THE ADDED DETAIL.
INCONSISTENT ON THE, ALL THE PAGES, ET CETERA NARRATIVE.
I, I WOULD LIKE JUST ONE MORE CLARIFICATION.
ONE THING THAT HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE INFORMAL REVIEW TO NOW IS THE WEST ELEVATION.
COULD I SEE THE WEST ELEVATION AS PROPOSED? SO THIS HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY FROM CORRECT.
THIS IS, UM, AND, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT IT'S GONNA LIKE.
THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH BOTH THE CITY AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY WITH MS. BOCO, YOU KNOW, SHE HAD SOME GOOD IDEAS ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.
ARE WE READY? WELL, I JUST CAN'T WAIT.
ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? IS MY QUESTION TO THE BOARD.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW WITH CONDITIONS IN CASE NUMBER 25 DASH 0 7 0, THE CONDITIONS AS MODIFIED HERE TONIGHT AND RECORDED, UH, TO ALLOW THIS PROJECT TO GO FORWARD.
UM, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO THANK STAFF AND MR. HAM FOR BEARING WITH US TONIGHT.
UM, IT, I KNOW IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT, UM, SO I APPRECIATE YOU DEALING WITH ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS AND, AND FINALLY COMING UP WITH A, A FINAL SOLUTION.
I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT AND I'D JUST LIKE TO COMMENT THAT IN DUBLIN, I CAME FROM GERMAN VILLAGE WHEN I MOVED TO DUBLIN AND DUBLIN HAS NOT IN THE PAST MAINTAINED MANY OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT WERE HERE.
SO I CAN TELL YOU HOW THANKFUL I AM THAT YOU ARE.
BOARD MEMBERS WE'RE NOT DONE YET.
NO, I GUESS THERE ARE NO ATIONS, NO
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COMMUNICATIONS.SO I'LL WAIT FOR MS. HOLT TO GET HERSELF ORGANIZED.
TUESDAY OUR BIG MEETING NEXT TUESDAY.
OH, YES, THAT'S WHAT SHE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT, I THINK.
JUST ONE QUICK COMMUNICATION TONIGHT.
UM, THE JOINT WORK SESSION IS ON THE 2ND OF SEPTEMBER AT CITY HALL.
UH, OFFICIALLY IT RUNS FROM SIX TO EIGHT.
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IS IT IN OUR MATERIALS FOR THIS WEEK? IT'S ON A SEPARATE MEETING.
IT'S IN A SEPARATE MEETING, SEPARATE DATE.
AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY R-S-V-P-I FOUND THAT TODAY.
AND, AND YEAH, IT'S IN YOUR CALENDAR.
AND SEAN, UH, SENT A LETTER TO US ABOUT WHAT, UH, WE'D SUGGESTED AND JUST A THOUGHT I HAD AND FOR OTHERS TO THINK ABOUT IS WHERE'S ONE RECOMMENDATION HE HAD? AND I'M SPEAKING OF THE MEETING ON TUESDAY, CORRECT? YES.
HE SUGGESTED THAT, UM, IN THE FUTURE TO CONSIDER HAVING AN ARCHITECT ON THE BOARD.
AND I, I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, GREAT IDEA, BUT I ALSO WOULD WANT TO EXPAND THAT.
I, I, I THINK AN ARCHITECT OR A BUILDER OR SOMEONE EXPERIENCED WITH BUILDING WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
SOME THINGS, LIKE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ROOF FLYING HERE ON THE BACK, UM MM-HMM
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT BECAUSE, UH, I'VE HAD, UM, PEOPLE WITH THE, THEIR HAMMER IN THEIR HANDS SOMETIMES SEE THINGS, AND EVEN FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT'S HOUSES ARE KNOWN FOR TERRIBLE LEAKING.
UM, AND SOMETIMES A BUILDER HAS GREAT INSIGHT.
UM, THOUGH I'M NOT TRYING TO DISCOURAGE HAVING AN ARCHITECT, BUT MARTY, DID YOU SAY THAT SEAN IS A BUILDER? SEAN'S AN ENGINEER AND IS INVOLVED IN A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION AND HE WAS HERE, UH, 'CAUSE I REMEMBER DISTINCTLY TALKING ABOUT THE WINDOW AND THE ROOF LINE AND CONVERSING WITH HIM ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ENOUGH SLOPE.
BUT THAT, SO I, WE MISS HIM TONIGHT, DEFINITELY.
AND OUR FORMER MEMBER WHO WAS THE, UH, ARCHITECT, WE, THEY STOLE HIM
SO, BUT I AGREE THAT HAVING THAT EXPERTISE ON THE BOARD IS VERY HELPFUL.
AND LUCKILY WE DO STILL HAVE SEAN AS FAR AS ENGINEERING, UNFORTUNATELY NOT FOR TONIGHT FOR THOSE, SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BUT GOOD.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
OH, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
UM, I GET, UM, THE SMITHSONIAN MAGAZINE AND THERE WAS AN ARTICLE LAST MONTH AND THE MONTH BEFORE ON DRY LAID STONEWALL, WHICH I MEANT TO COPY AND BRING IN.
AND I WILL DO SO FOR THE NEXT TIME WE MEET.
CAN, CAN I HAVE ONE MORE REQUEST, UH, ABOUT THESE, UH, MEETINGS? UM, I TRY TO READ THE BOOK AS SOON AS I CAN.
AND I THINK THE BOOK SOMETIMES GETS REVISED.
AND, UM, THIS BOOK WAS 270 PAGES LONG AND I THINK THINGS GOT ADDED.
AND I'M NOT THAT FAST A READER.
UH, I WOULD LOVE IT IF WHEN THINGS GET REVISED, IF WE CAN GET A NOTICE THAT HEY, THERE'S BEEN A REVISION OF THE BOOK, PAGE TWO 30 TO TWO 50 HAVE BEEN ADDED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I I CAN LET YOU KNOW THAT THE SYSTEM SENDS OUT, YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING THOSE EMAILS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S COMING FROM ONBOARD.
THEY'RE, IT'S ME SENDING THEM TO ONBOARD AND SAYING, YOUR MATERIALS HAVE BEEN UPDATED.
AND I'VE PUT A LITTLE NOTE, LIKE TODAY FOR INSTANCE, I PUT A NOTE AT TOP, THE TOP THAT SAID, THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN REVISED AND PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN ADDED TO THIS CASE NUMBER.
SO IT'S JUST, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A ONE WORD.
THAT'S WHY IT EXPLAINS WHY WE KEEP GETTING THESE ONBOARD NOTICES THAT I THINK ARE REPEATS.
THEY'RE, SOME OF THEM ARE, SOME OF THEM ARE JUST, HEY, REMINDER, YOU HAVE A MEETING COMING UP.
BUT IT IT, IT'S WORTH CHECKING THE SUBJECT OF THE EMAIL OR THE BODY OF THE EMAIL BECAUSE IT, IF I HAVE UPDATED IT, I DO STATE IN THERE WHAT HAS BEEN UPDATED.
BUT I CAN BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH THE PAGE NUMBERS TOO.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE? DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.
ANY OBJECTION? NO, WE ARE ABDUR ADJOURNED.