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AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES AT THIS TIME.
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I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR ROLL CALL.
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I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE JULY 17TH AND JULY 22ND.DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN PLANNING OF PROPERTY AND REZONING ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, ADMINISTRATIVE CASES, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS MUST BE SWORN IN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM.
ORDER OF OPERATIONS FOR THIS EVENING WILL BE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL FIRST PRESENT THEIR CASE.
THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN BE FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOVE THE APPLICANT AND OF STAFF.
ANYONE WHO WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE.
ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON BY PRESSING THE BUTTON.
AND WE DO REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR, UH, COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES EXCLUDING THE APPLICANT.
UH, LET'S GO ON TO SWEARING IN.
SO IF ANYONE IS HERE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CASES, IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE YOU STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU.
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ON TO OUR CASE FOR THIS EVENING.THIS IS CASE 25 DASH FIVE ONE AFT P FOR DUBLIN METHODIST HOSPITAL TOWER EXPANSION FOR AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE A FDP FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF ADDITIONAL AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE OHIO HEALTH DUBLIN METHODIST HO HOSPITAL.
THE 45 ACRE SITE IS ZONED PUD OHIO HEALTH AND IS LOCATED AT 7,500 HOSPITAL DRIVE.
I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.
I AM, UH, A LEADER IN THE REAL ESTATE CONSTRUCTION FACILITY DEPARTMENT AT OHIO HEALTH.
UM, APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HAVING US HERE TODAY.
UM, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROJECT WITH ANDREW'S ARCHITECTS WAY, WAY BACK BEFORE I WORKED FOR OHIO HEALTH AND HAVE BEEN A PART OF A LOT OF THE HISTORY THAT YOU SEE IN THE PLANNING REPORT.
SO, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE BEING HERE.
UM, OUR PROJECT IS AN EXPANSION OF DUBLIN METHODIST.
AS YOU ALL MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW AS YOU'VE EXPERIENCED IT, IT'S A PRETTY BUSY PLACE AT THIS TIME.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE POPULATION NORTHWEST COLUMBUS AREA, DUBLIN ESPECIALLY, IS GROWING.
THE DEMAND FOR PATIENT CARE, DEMAND FOR SERVICES IS HIGH AND THIS EXPANSION WILL MEET THOSE NEEDS.
UM, THE CAPACITY WILL ADDRESS TIMELY CARE, KEEP PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE HOME, KEEP FROM HAVING TO GO TO RIVERSIDE OR OTHER PLACES THROUGHOUT OUR SYSTEM OR OTHERS.
UM, PATIENT VOLUME, AS I'VE STATED, HAS GROWN.
WE'RE GONNA ADD 96 BEDS IN THE NEW ADDITION.
UM, AND WITH THE ADDITION, CLEAR OUT SOME OTHER SPACES AND CREATE OTHER SUPPORT SPACE IN THE BUILDING FOR INCREASED SURGERY, CATH LABS, IMAGING, AND OTHER SERVICES THERE TOO.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THE THE WHY, UH, THE WHAT IS A NEW SIX STORY TOWER AS YOU SEE ON THE SITE PLAN AND THE
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MATERIALS YOU HAVE ON THE BACK CORNER OF THE CAMPUS.UH, 96 BEDS, RENOVATIONS THROUGHOUT THE HOSPITAL.
UM, THE SITE ENHANCEMENTS, THE FRONT PARKING LOT AS WE'VE SEEN OVER TIME, UM, WAS A REALLY INTERESTING LANDSCAPE EXPERIENCE EXPERIMENT.
WHEN IT WAS DONE, IT HAD A LOT OF GOOD THINGS THAT WERE TRYING TO BE DONE WITH THE, THE, UH, NATURAL DRAINAGE AND SOME OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT IT CREATED LIMITED PATHWAYS FOR PATIENTS, VISITORS TO GET INTO THE BUILDING.
SO AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO A ADD PARKING AND MOVE THAT PARKING CLOSER TO THE FRONT DOOR.
SO WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY THAT WE COULD HAVE PUT PARKING ON KIND OF TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, BUT WE THOUGHT INCREASING THE DENSITY IN FRONT OF THE HOSPITAL WOULD REALLY MAKE A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR OUR PATIENTS.
UM, SOME TECHNICAL THINGS AS PART OF THIS, THE TEXT MODIFICATIONS ARE RELATED TO WHERE WE NEED TO PUT THE ADDITION BASED ON KIND OF THE FOOTPRINT WHERE THERE WERE TWO TOWERS, THE NATURAL THIRD LOCATION FOR A TOWER AND THE SIZE OF THAT TOWER CROSSES A BACK PROPERTY LINE.
SO OWNING THE PERIMETER DRIVE, WHAT WE CALL THE PERIMETER DRIVE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE THAT PROPERTY LINE AND KIND OF CREATE THE SPACE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO JOIN THE TWO PROPERTIES, WE DON'T HAVE TO CREATE THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO ADJUST THE SUB AREA TEXT, THE PUD TO INCLUDE THAT AND ADJUST FOR PARKING ON OUR CAMPUS.
UM, WE HAVE SPACE TO BUILD PARKING AT THE WHATEVER.
I THINK THE ORIGINAL WAS THREE PER THOUSAND LEVEL, BUT WE'VE DONE A PARKING STUDY AND THAT PARKING JUST ISN'T NECESSARY.
SO BUILDING ALL THAT HARD SURFACE WITH THE ASSOCIATE PARKING IN THE BACK THAT EXISTS ALREADY, THAT'S NOT HEAVILY USED AND THE RENOVATIONS THAT WE WANT TO GET CLOSE TO THE DOOR.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO TECHNICAL PIECES THAT WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR.
UM, AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURE IN A MINUTE, BUT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TO THE, THIS, THE GROUP THANK YOU.
AND WE HAVE THE TEMPORARY HELIPAD APPROVED.
THAT CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA START IN THE FALL.
AS SOON AS THAT CONSTRUCTION IS DONE.
WITH THE APPROVAL OF THIS COUNCIL, WE'RE GONNA START THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TOWER IN KIND OF EARLY 26 AND HOPEFULLY BE DONE ABOUT 24 MONTHS LATER, SO EARLY 28.
SO THAT'S THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT.
SO I WANT TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE DETAILS ON THE ARCHITECTURE AREN'T RIGHT.
BUT THIS IS A REALLY GOOD VIEW OF HOW WE'RE ADDING ONTO THE HOSPITAL.
SO THIS VIEW FROM THE SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING TWO PATIENT TOWERS, AND THIS WOULD BE THE THIRD ONE IN A RHYTHM.
THIS TOWER WILL BE SIX STORIES, NOT FOUR, LIKE THE ORIGINAL TWO, WHICH WAS PLANNED FOR AND ALLOWED FOR IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT.
SO THE ZONING ALLOWED FOR SIX STORIES ON THIS SITE.
UM, AND HERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT BACK VIEW WHERE AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE BEHIND US, THAT SPACE WHERE WE GET CLOSER ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE NEED TO CREATE SPACE FOR THE SETBACKS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
BY MOVING THAT PROPERTY LINE BACK, YOU CAN SEE THERE WHERE THE EXISTING HELIPAD IS TODAY.
THE TEMPORARY HELIPAD ON THE PROPERTY ADJACENT DURING THE PROJECT WILL MOVE BACK HERE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, I THINK THIS IS AGAIN THAT PARKING AREA IN FRONT.
YOU CAN SEE THE SHADED AREA WHERE WE'RE GOING TO MODIFY OR IMPROVE.
UM, THIS PARKING AREA HAS THE BIO RETENTION CHANGING TO, UH, MORE TRADITIONAL STORAGE AND STORM WATER.
WE'RE WORKING WITH, THE ENGINEERING TEAMS ARE WORKING TOGETHER WITH YOUR TEAM ON THAT.
CURRENTLY, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON THE SITE PLAN TO GET TREES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS RESOLVED.
I THINK OUR LAST SITE PLAN, ACCORDING TO THE PLANNING REPORT, WE'RE SHORT SOME TREE TREE INCHES THAT WE KNOW WE NEED TO ADD.
UM, BUT THIS REALLY DOES CREATE A BETTER WAY FINDING MORE CONSISTENT FLOW, SINGLE ENTRY TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEN THE ED.
SO INSTEAD OF A COUPLE OTHERS.
UM, THIS LESS DETAILED THAN THE OTHER RENDERING.
I THINK THIS SLIDE HERE JUST CALLS OUT THAT WE'RE USING ALL THE SAME MATERIALS.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CREATE A NEW EXPERIENCE ON THE CAMPUS.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CREATE ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A SIX STORY VERSION OF THE CAMPUS WE HAVE TODAY.
SO REALLY VERY SIMILAR ARCHITECTURE.
UM, ALL THE SAME MATERIALS, TALLER BUILDING THESE RENDERINGS KIND OF HIGHLIGHT HOW THE SIX STORY LOOKS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FOUR STORY REALLY FOR REFERENCE IN A GOOD WAY HERE, BUT A LOT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL CUES, THE BRICK, THE WINDOWING ARE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING.
I THINK THE, THE BIGGEST NOTE AND THE BIGGEST CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING WITH THE PLANNING STAFF IS 20 YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID THIS, WE PUT ALL THE AIR HANDLERS AND THE EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A PENTHOUSE ANYWHERE.
PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH ME DON'T LOVE GOING OUT TO WORK ON AIR HANDLERS IN 20 DEGREE WEATHER.
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ADD MORE EQUIPMENT, PUTTING 'EM ON A PEN IN A PENTHOUSE ON THE ROOF IS A HUGE ADVANTAGE FROM OUR STANDPOINT.THE ARCHITECTURE DETAILING OF HOW WE GET A PENTHOUSE TO FIT ON THIS CAMPUS WHERE WE'VE NEVER HAD ONE BEFORE IS REALLY ONE OF THE NEGOTIATING POINTS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY TO GET FINE TUNED.
UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PLANNING AND STAFF REPORT, I'VE BEEN AS AN ARCHITECT BEFORE I WORKED FOR OHIO HEALTH AND WITH OHIO HEALTH.
I CAN'T THANK YOUR STAFF ENOUGH FOR THE STAFF REPORT THEY'VE WRITTEN IN THE WORK WE'VE DONE GETTING HERE.
IT SEEMS LIKE A REALLY GREAT REPORT.
IT'S POSITIVE FOR US AND THE COMMUNITY THE WAY I READ IT.
SO THAT'S REALLY EXCITING IN THAT REPORT.
THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL OF THE TECHNICAL PIECES THAT ARE IN THERE.
AND THEN RECOMMENDATION OF OUR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UM, THE CONDITION TO WORK ON THE ARCHITECTURE MOST SPECIFICALLY THAT PENTHOUSE AND GET THE DETAILING OF THAT COMPLIMENTARY TO THE REST OF THE CAMPUS.
WE TOTALLY AGREE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON WITH STAFF.
THE, UH, REQUEST TO PUT A GREEN ROOF, TEXTURED ROOF SCULPTURE, WE'VE COME A LONG WAY IN 20 YEARS IN HEALTHCARE.
WE DON'T REALLY LOVE GREEN ROOFS ANYMORE.
OVER THE TOP OF PATIENT CARE AREAS.
HAVING BIOLOGICAL MATERIALS THAT END UP IN A ROOF LEAK THAT END UP DRIPPING ON SOMEBODY IS A RISK.
SO FROM THE OHIO HEALTH SIDE, THAT'S NOT A CONDITION WE CAN AGREE TO.
I THINK IF WE MODIFIED IT TO LOOKING AT A DECORATIVE ROOF OR SOME TYPE OF OTHER WORDING HERE, IF WE TAKE GREEN ROOF AND SCULPTURE OUTTA THAT, WE WOULD BE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO ACCEPT WORKING WITH STAFF ON SOME KIND OF ROOF FEATURE THAT MAY BE BALLAST OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS JUST NOT A WHITE ROOF THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO US.
UH, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AS I MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO, WORKING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT MEET WHAT WE'RE REMOVING.
A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH THAT ONE.
AND THEN THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS, THAT'S VERY STANDARD.
WE ARE HAPPY TO MEET ALL THE ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS ON THE SITE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE TI FOR THE TIME TO PRESENT.
I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT PROJECT, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND I THINK YOUR STAFF AND OUR TEAM HAVE BEEN WORKING WELL TOGETHER FOR THE LAST FOUR TO SIX MONTHS TO GET US HERE AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION TONIGHT.
WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO MS. MULLINAX.
I THINK THIS IS YOUR LAST TIME PRESENTING TO US AND WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO MISS YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE TO US AND WELL TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN AS A WHOLE.
APPRECIATE THAT AND THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS.
THE SITE IS ZONE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, DUBLIN MEDICAL CAMPUS.
APPROVAL OF A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS A THREE STEP PROCESS WHERE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED.
UM, WHICH, UM, OR SORRY, STARTS WITH A CONCEPT PLAN, MOVES INTO A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN ENDS IN A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT AND THE SITE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THIS EVENING WE ARE LOOKING AT PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, WHICH IS THROUGH THIS AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION.
UH, TEXT MODIFICATIONS ARE ALSO CONSIDERED AT THIS STAGE.
UM, CONSIDERATIONS INCLUDE HOW THE PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER AND THE COMMISSION SHALL MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE APPLICATION BASED ON THEIR FINDINGS THIS EVENING.
THE 45 ACRE SITE IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF AVERY RO DRIVE AND US ROUTE 33.
THE SITE CONTAINS AN EXISTING HOSPITAL MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING AND AN ENERGY PLANT, WHICH IS SURROUNDED BY PARKING ON THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH SIDES.
A HELIPAD IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE HOSPITAL.
THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE OVERALL HOSPITAL AND PARKING LOT GREEN SPACE, UH, FACING SOUTH TOWARDS ROUTE 33.
AND THE LEFT IMAGE SHOWS THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING AND THE RIGHT IMAGE SHOWS, UH, ONE OF THE TOWERS, UM, THAT DOUG HAD MENTIONED.
NOTE THAT THE ANGLED ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING, UH, NEAR THE TOP OF THE TOWERS PARA PITT.
THE PROPOSED TOWER EXPANSION WILL BE IN THE GREEN FIELD SHOWN IN THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT, WHICH CONNECTS TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM ENTRANCE THAT IS SHOWN IN THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT.
THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE PARKING LOT AND THE GREEN SPACE LOOKING EAST AND WEST.
UM, WHICH SHOWS THE FIRST TWO DRIVE AISLES OF PARKING IN JULY.
STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT IN COMBINATION TO TRANSFER 1.78 ACRES FROM 6 8 0 5 PERIMETER DRIVE OWNED BY OHIO HEALTH AND ZONE PERIMETER WEST PLAN COMMERCE DISTRICT TO THE HOSPITAL SITE, WHICH IS ZONED DUBLIN MEDICAL CAMPUS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO ACCOMMODATE THESE, UM, PROPOSED ADDITION AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
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SHOWN IN, UM, THE MAP HERE AND IS INDICATED BY THE YELLOW DASH LINE ON THE MAP.INCLUDED WITH TONIGHT'S APPLICATION IS A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TEXT MODIFICATION TO THE DUBLIN MEDICAL CAMPUS TEXT TO ADJUST THE SITE ACREAGE AND UPDATE OLD PARCEL NUMBERS.
IN JUNE, THE COMMISSION APPROVED AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH A TEXT MODIFICATION ALLOWING THE TEMPORARY HELIPAD, UM, ON THE ADJACENT SITE AT 6 0 8 PERIMETER DRIVE.
UM, THIS AND THAT WAS TO SERVE THE HOSPITAL DURING CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPOSED TOWER EXPANSION.
UM, SINCE THE EXISTING HELIPAD IS WITHIN THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE FOR THIS, UH, TOWER, A FULL SITE HISTORY IS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT X PERMITS UP TO 950, UH, THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING AREA IN SUB AREAS ONE AND TWO OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPOSED SIX STORY INPATIENT TOWER IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOSPITAL, WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL BUILDING AREA ON SITE TO 702 AND 75,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS WELL WITHIN THE LIMIT AND CONSISTENT WITH THE DENSITY GOALS IN THE ENVISION DOUBLING COMMUNITY PLAN.
THE PROJECT ALSO MEETS THE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE REQUIREMENT WITH THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
THE TOTAL LOCK COVERAGE, UH, WILL BE 17%, WHICH IS BELOW THE 25% MAXIMUM COVERAGE ALLOWED FOR BUILDINGS IN ADDITION TO THE PROPOSED INPATIENT TOWER.
THE PROJECT INCLUDES, UM, THE REDESIGN PARKING LOT, UM, CONSOLIDATING THE DROP OFF ENTRY POINTS AND THE ADDITION OF LANDSCAPING BENCH SEATING AND SITE LIGHTING TO ENHANCE THE OVERALL SITE FUNCTIONALITY.
THE PROPOSAL MEETS ALL MINIMUM BUILDING AND PAVEMENT SETBACKS AND STAYS WELL WITHIN, UM, THE 70% MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE LIMIT.
UH, WITH 52% THAT'S PROPOSED THE RECONFIGURED PARKING LOT IMPROVED CIRCULATION AND EFFICIENCY.
UM, LIKE DOUG HAD DESCRIBED, UM, THERE'S BIO RETENTION AREAS WITHIN THE PARKING LOT THAT ARE BEING REMOVED, UM, AND THAT'S BEING COORDINATED WITH ENGINEERING.
THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF THROUGH THE SITE PERMITTING PROCESS.
BASED ON THE SUBMITTED PARKING STUDY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE TEXT MODIFICATION, WHICH THEY HAD MENTIONED TO REDUCE THAT PARKING REQUIREMENT JUST FOR SUB AREA ONE.
THIS WOULD LOWER THE REQUIRED PARKING FROM 2,155 SPACES TO 1,455 SPACES, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE CITY GOALS TO MINIMIZE OVER PARKING.
AND WITH THE TEXT MODIFICATION, THE APPLICANT MEETS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT AND IS PROVIDING 1,553 SPACES ON SITE.
THE PROJECT INCLUDES THE REMOVAL OF 564 CALIBER INCHES OF PROTECTED TREES OF WHICH 381 INCHES ARE REQUIRED TO BE REPLACED.
UM, A LANDSCAPE PLAN ADDRESSING THE REMAINING, UM, OUTSTANDING INCHES OR IS REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDED, UM, AT BUILDING PERMITTING PER CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT PERMITS ALL USES IN SUBURBAN OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT PER THE DUBLIN'S ZONING CODE.
IT ALSO PERMITS, UM, USES INCLUDING HOSPITALS AND CLINICS, HEALTHCARE FACILITIES AND ANCILLARY COMMERCIAL USES THAT SUPPORT MEDICAL OPERATIONS, ALL OF WHICH ARE MET BY THE PROPOSAL.
THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS SIX OCCUPIED STORIES, UM, WITH THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT ALLOWED FOR ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND SCREEN AND MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
THE PROPOSED TOWER MEETS THESE STANDARDS.
THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT INCLUDES GENERAL ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS STATING THAT BUILDINGS REFLECT AN URBAN STYLE WITH RESIDENTIAL TONES TYPICAL OF DUBLIN.
THAT'S REFLECTING THE, UM, BUILDING MATERIALS AND THE COLORS THAT WE COMMONLY SEE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THE TOWER EXPANSION IS REQUIRED TO BE ARCHITECTURALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING HOSPITAL AS WELL.
AND WHILE THE PROPOSAL MEETS THESE GENERAL STANDARDS, STAFF HAVE PROVIDED COMMENTS ABOUT ITS INTEGRATION WITH THE CURRENT HOSPITAL FACILITY AND STAFF ADJUST SUGGEST ADDING DETAILING, UM, SEEN IN OTHER PARTS OF THE HOSPITAL TO HELP, UH, REDUCE THE PERCEIVED MASS OF THE NEW TOWER AND THE MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE SCREENING, WHICH IS OUR PRIMARY CONCERN.
STAFF WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON DESIGN REVISIONS TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS AS A REFLECTED CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMEND INCORPORATING A GREEN ROOF, TEXTURED ROOF MATERIAL OR A ROOFTOP SCULPTURE, UM, ON THE FIRST AND SECOND STEPPED LEVELS, WHICH IS OUTLINED HERE IN RED AND THAT'S EAST OF THE SIX STORY ADDITION TO ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING HOSPITAL'S GREEN ROOF AND ROOFTOP GARDENS.
UM, WE FEEL THAT THIS WOULD REALLY ENHANCE THE VIEWS FROM THE EAST FACING, UM, PATIENT ROOMS THAT LOOK OUT TO THIS AREA.
ALL OUR BUILDING MATERIALS AND
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COLORS ARE, UM, ALIGNING WITH THE EXISTING, UM, BUILDING MATERIALS ON THE HOSPITAL.ALL MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION CRITERIA ARE MET.
ALL AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA ARE MET, MET WITH CONDITION AND OR TEXT MODIFICATIONS OR THEY'RE NOT APPLICABLE.
AND PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF TWO MINOR TEXT MODIFICATIONS TO THE DOUBLE MEDICAL CAMPUS DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE FOUR CONDITIONS THAT DOUG HAD TOUCHED ON.
UM, WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS, I DO WANNA ASK FOR ONE CLARIFICATION.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE TREE REPLACEMENT.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT ALL INCHES OF PROTECTIVE TREE PROTECTED TREES REQUIRE INCH PER INCH CALIPER FOR PER CALIPER REPLACEMENT? YES.
ALL UM, INCHES THAT ARE NOTED IN THE REPORT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE REPLACED.
AND THEN ONE OTHER CLARIFICATION, CAN YOU, UH, CLARIFY THE WHY BEHIND THE CITY'S REQUEST OF THE GREEN ROOF TEXTURED ROOF SCULPTURE BEFORE WE GO ON TO? YEAH, SO TO CLARIFY WHY, UM, THERE'S AN EXISTING GREEN ROOF AND, UM, ROOFTOP GARDENS THAT ARE PRESENT IN OTHER PORTIONS OF THIS HOSPITAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY COMING FROM A COUNCIL, UM, LEVEL TO REALLY THI BE THINKING ABOUT THESE AND BEING PROACTIVE ON, UM, INCORPORATING SUCH FEATURES ON NEW BUILDINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED BEFORE THE CITY.
SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY ASKING EXISTING ROOFTOPS TO BE, YOU KNOW, RETROFITTED TO INCORPORATE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT WHEN SOMETHING NEW PROPOSED, WE WANNA, UM, TAKE UP THAT OPPORTUNITY AND FEEL IT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT THE PATIENTS.
WITH THAT, I WILL LOOK TO THE COMMISSION BOARD QUESTIONS.
MR. GARVIN, I'M GONNA START WITH YOU AGAIN THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU TAYLOR AND DOUG, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.
UM, SO JUST TO DRILL IN A LITTLE BIT FIRST ON THE, UM, RECOMMENDATION THAT, THAT UH, YOU GUYS ARE NOT AGREEABLE TO.
UM, SO FIRST I HEARD YOU MENTION REMOVING GREEN, UH, YOU KNOW, GREEN ROOF AND SCULPTURE.
IS SCULPTURE SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE REMOVED THERE OR IS THAT YEAH, 'CAUSE I, I DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE OBJECTS ON THE ROOF THAT IT IMPEDE THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT AREA, SO.
AND ARE, I'M GUESSING THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CASES WHERE SOMETHING HAS LEACHED THROUGH A ROOF LIKE THIS? YEAH, WE'VE DONE GREEN ROOFS IN THE PAST HERE, RIVERSIDE, OTHER PLACES AND EVEN MOST RECENTLY, OUR WOMEN'S TOWER THAT WE'RE BUILDING AT RIVERSIDE, WE HAVE A ROOF THAT'S THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED FOR A REALLY NICE GREEN ROOF ON.
AND THEN WE HAD DATA COME UP THAT CAUSED US TO LEAVE THAT AS BASICALLY A WHITE NON-REFLECTIVE ROOF IN THAT SPACE.
SO WE'VE MOVED AS AN ORGANIZATION AWAY FROM GREEN ROOFS.
WE'RE NOT TAKING 'EM OUT OF PLACES WHERE THEY ARE TODAY, BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ADD NEW TO OUR ORGANIZATION JUST FOR SAFETY ISSUES.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE TEXTURED ROOF MATERIAL? NO.
I THINK IF WE COULD TALK ABOUT A BALLASTED ROOF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN BE HAPPY.
WHETHER IT'S A PATTERNED ROCK OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION, I BELIEVE WITH STAFF THAT KIND OF WORKS THROUGH THIS REQUIREMENT FROM COUNCIL.
AND YOU KNOW THAT IT'S AN OR NOT AN, AND SO IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE TEXTURED ROOF MATERIAL STIPULATION, YOU WOULDN'T REALLY NEED A CHANGE TO THE OTHER LANGUAGE YOU JUST ARE SAYING YOU WOULDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T UTILIZE THE GRIEVANCE? I JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO BE, IF WE'RE SITTING DOWN WITH STAFF, I DON'T WANT TO BE DOWN THE ROAD TO GO BACK TO DOWN THE ROAD TIED TO, YOU KNOW, TAYLOR'S LEFT THE BUILDING AND WHOEVER WE'RE TALKING TO NEXT IS LIKE, BUT WE REALLY NEED THIS GREEN ROOF.
I'D RATHER SAY THAT AT THIS POINT WE'LL WORK ON SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT TEXTURE ROOF SO THAT WE KNOW THE PARAMETERS OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
UM, OH, THE NEW LANDSCAPING, I REALIZED THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, HAD SOME KIND OF WASTED SPACE THAT WAS RETENTION AND LANDSCAPING.
YOUR, I I THINK I SAW THAT IT WAS, YOU'RE MOVING SOME OF THAT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT.
SO WHAT IS THE TOTAL REMOVAL OF GREEN? IS IT GONNA BE A NET EVEN OR WILL THERE ACTUALLY BE GREEN SPACE REMOVED THAT'LL BE REPLACED BY PARKING LOTS? UM, NO, I'M GONNA SAY THERE'S PROBABLY GREEN SPACE REMOVED 'CAUSE WE ARE ADDING DENSITY OF PARKING MM-HMM
SO I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD YOU.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S PARKING WHERE OUR PATIENTS NEED IT AND WE HAD GREEN SPACE IN THE SPACE WHERE NOBODY WOULD USE IT BEFORE.
SO IT REALLY WASN'T GREEN SPACE, IT WAS ADVANTAGEOUS IN ANY WAY TO THE CAMPUS.
OUR PATIENTS, IT WAS PROBABLY GREEN SPACE IN THE WORST SPACE.
WE COULD HAVE HAD IT WHEN THIS WAS HINDSIGHT, 20 YEARS LATER.
BUT, SO I THINK THAT WE'RE ADDING GREEN SPACE OTHER PLACES, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA COME OUT TO THE SAME.
UM, ONE THING ON THE TIMELINE, I NOTICED SOMEWHERE THAT THE APPROVAL FOR THE HELIPAD RELOCATION WAS UP UNTIL 2030, I BELIEVE.
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WHEREAS WE'RE TALKING HERE ABOUT A TIMELINE OF TWO YEARS.IS THAT MORE ACCURATE? IT'S MORE ACCURATE.
SO THE 2030 MORE, YEAH, THAT ALLOWS FOR WHATEVER CLOSEOUT PROCESSES IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY.
SO WE, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT HELIPAD IS STILL THERE IN 2030, BUT I THINK WE ASKED FOR THAT AS A, JUST A MAKE SURE WE COVERED THE, THE PROCESS.
JUST A COUPLE CLARIFICATIONS AND I'M GONNA FOCUS ON THE ROOF PIECE.
UM, HAVE YOU HAD, OR HAVE THERE BEEN ANY ISSUES WITH THE, THE CURRENT GREEN ROOFS ON THE TOWERS? UM, THERE HAVE BEEN, NOT NECESSARILY ON OUR CAMPUSES, BUT OTHER PLACES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, THERE HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS WHERE GREEN ROOFS HAVE CAUSED A LEAK AND THROUGH THAT, THE BIOMATERIAL IN THE GREEN ROOF THAT HAS GOTTEN THROUGH INTO SPACES WITHIN THE HOSPITAL.
SO THE, THE CITIES, WHAT THEY WANT IS THE, THE GREEN ROOF TO, UH, BE ON TOP OF THE MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE.
AND I CAN BRING UP THAT IMAGE AGAIN TO HELP DEMONSTRATE THAT.
SO IT'S THE AREA OUTLINED IN RED HERE.
IT'S A STEPPED, UM, OKAY, SO THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT IT.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S IT'S NOT ON TOP OF THE MECHANICAL NO, IT'S IN BETWEEN THE TWO.
IT'S BETWEEN THE EXISTING TOWER AND THE NEW TOWER ON THE LOWER ROOF AREA THAT IS GONNA COMP ENCOMPASS SURGERY AND SPD AND OTHER SUPPORT TYPE FUNCTIONS AS WELL AS SOME PATIENT SPACE AREAS.
AND I I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, OBVIOUSLY THE IDEA WOULD BE, SINCE IT'S A LOWER PORTION, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOWS, THERE'S SOMETHING VISUAL TO SEE COMPARATIVELY TO JUST CORRECT A ROOF.
SO I, I GUESS I WANT TO GET, GET THROUGH THIS.
TAYLOR, WHAT'S THIS, THE CITY'S TAKE CARE.
IF APPLICANTS SAYING THEY DON'T WANT A GREEN ROOF, YOU'RE SAYING YOU, YOU WANT A GREEN ROOF.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE MIDDLE GROUND? WHAT WOULD THE CON CITY, YOU KNOW, THINK OR CONCEDE TO BEYOND, UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S SAYING HERE THAT THEY CAN'T DO IT? YEAH, SO, UM, THE CONDITION APPROVAL IS WORDED IN A WAY TO GRANT SOME FLEXIBILITY, RIGHT? IT MENTIONS A GREEN ROOF, A TEXTURED ROOF MATERIAL OR SCULPTURE.
UM, SO THOSE ARE REALLY SOME OPTIONS, UM, UP FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND WE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH SOME TYPE OF TEXTURED ROCK OR, UM, A PAINTED MURAL, WHATEVER WE AGREED UPON, UM, FOR THAT TO LOOK LIKE.
UM, WE'RE OPEN AS LONG AS SOMETHING INTERESTING IS INCORPORATED ON THAT, ON THOSE WORDS.
MR. ALEXANDER, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GREEN ROOF, I'LL START WITH THAT IS THE INTENT BECAUSE IN WHAT WE DO, THERE ARE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF GREEN AND ONE OF 'EM IS REDUCE ENERGY CONSUMPTION.
DOESN'T NE DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN IT'S LANDSCAPE.
SO IS PART OF THE GOAL OF THAT STIPULATION TO DO SOMETHING ON THAT ROOF THAT REDUCES ENERGY CONSUMPTION? OR IS IT ALL ABOUT APPEARANCE? I THINK IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
UH, MAINLY APPEARANCE, BUT CERTAINLY RIGHT THAT THE CITY HAS SUSTAINABLE OBJECTIVES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
AND IF THAT CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, BE ACHIEVED THROUGH THAT, UM, APPLICATION, I THINK THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE MR. SHO, YOU, YOU MENTIONED SOME RESISTANCE TO A WHITE ROOF.
OH NO, WE'RE GONNA, IT WILL, WE WOULD HAVE A WHITE ROOF OR A TEXTURED ROOF DEPENDING ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO AGAIN, WE DON'T IN GET OUR BUILDINGS LEAD CERTIFIED, BUT THIS BUILDING WOULD BE IF WE DID CERTIFIABLE AT A LEAD SILVER.
SO WE'RE GONNA MEET, WE ALWAYS, WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND PART OF OUR STANDARDS FOR NEW BUILDINGS LIKE THIS IS TO HAVE A, THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY IN THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
BECAUSE THIS IS A 200,000 SQUARE FOOT TO A 24 7, 365 BUILDING, WE'RE GONNA WANT IT TO BE AS ENERGY EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.
SO DO YOU EVER INCORPORATE PHOTO PHOTOVOLTAIC, UM, SYSTEMS IN YOUR ROOFS? UM, NOT TYPICALLY.
WE'RE EXPERIMENTING WITH THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME AT THE WOMEN'S CENTER.
THAT'LL BE THE FIRST PROJECT TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF, UH, SOLAR PANELS OR THAT FOR OHIO HEALTH.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE EVER DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAVEN'T ROLLED IT OUT TO SEE HOW IT WORKS OR WHAT THE MAINTENANCE IS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN FOR THE SITE FOR THIS CAMPUS? UM, I THINK THERE WAS ORIGINALLY A MASTER PLAN THAT WAS DONE.
WE DON'T HAVE A MASTER PLAN THAT GOES TO THE NEXT 20 YEARS FOR THIS SITE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME VERSIONS, BUT THERE'S NOT A, NOT A NEW PLAN THAT SITS TODAY.
THE RE THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS, IS I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HERE BECAUSE ONE OF THE, WE'RE LUCKY IN DUBLIN BECAUSE OUR HOSPITALS ARE NEW.
SO YOU'VE HAD, YOU HAVE A PHASE AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO ANOTHER PHASE, BUT
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SO MANY HOSPITALS ARE BUILT OVER TIME, OLDER HOSPITALS, AND WE SEE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP TO ONE ANOTHER, NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE SITE.AND WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE IN CENTRAL OHIO.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE IN CENTRAL OHIO.
HOWEVER, YOU LOOK AT CHILDREN'S, CHILDREN'S IS AMAZING.
THE CAMPUS OF CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL AND THEY HAVE A CLEAR MASTER PLAN.
THERE'S CONTINUITY, THE ARCHITECTURE, AND I THINK THAT WOULD HELP A BOARD LIKE THIS.
IF YOU HAD A MASTER PLAN AND WE'RE BRINGING A MASTER PLAN AND SAYING, HERE'S OUR OVERALL PLAN AND HERE'S THE PHASE AND HERE'S HOW IT LINKS TO WHAT, WHAT WE'LL DO LATER.
NOW I REALIZE LAND ACQUISITION ON THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE CAN IMPACT THAT AND PROGRAMMATIC ISSUES CAN IMPACT THAT.
BUT YOU, YOU NORMALLY WOULD UPDATE THE MASTER PLAN EACH TIME YOU DO A BUILDING.
BUT, BUT I THINK YOU WOULD BENEFIT TOO.
YOU, YOU'D BENEFIT MORE THAN ANY OF US, BUT I THINK OUR COMMUNITY WOULD BENEFIT, UM, IF WE HAD.
I I THINK THE WAY THE THE ZONING IS WRITTEN THAT HELPS TO CONTROL THE ARCHITECTURE HELPS WITH ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, WHICH IS THAT CONSISTENCY THROUGH TIME.
UM, WHETHER IT'S GRANT DOWNTOWN WHERE THERE'S FOUR DISTINCT DIFFERENT BUILDINGS BUILT AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
IS FASCINATING AND WE'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER BUILDING ON THAT IS A DIFFERENT FLAVOR.
YET WHEN WE BUILD THAT ONE OR SOME OF THE OTHER CAMPUSES, MOUNT CARMEL DOWNTOWN OR OTHERS, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I THINK THAT IN THIS COMMUNITY, I THINK HAVING TO COME BACK FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I'D LOVE TO TELL YOU WE KNEW WHAT THE NEXT EDITION WAS 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT TEARDROP NEXT TO IT AND WE KNOW THAT THE NEXT EDITION WOULD BE ANOTHER TOWER IN RHYTHM TO THE WEST.
WE JUST HAVEN'T DRAWN THE MASTER PLAN OR TRIED TO DEVELOP THE ARCHITECTURE FOR THAT.
SO WE HAVE IDEAS OF HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
BUT I THINK THE TEXT THAT YOU HAVE HERE AND THIS BOARD AND THE PLANNING TEAM SUPPORT THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS SIMILAR EVERY TIME WE ADD ON.
WELL, WE HOPE, WE HOPE THAT'S THE CASE, BUT WE SEE A LOT MORE SUCCESS WITH WHEN YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, AND WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE IN QUESTIONS.
I, I'M, BUT I, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT, I THINK THE, THAT, THAT IS VERY VALUABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY IF A COMPLEX LIKE THIS WOULD HAVE A MASTER PLAN.
UM, QUESTION ABOUT THE DROP OFF.
UM, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PARKING PLAN HERE? UH, EM, H AND T IS SOMEBODY FROM EMH AND T HERE? YEAH, E'S HERE.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? WELCOME, AMY.
WHEN, WHEN I LOOK AT THE REVISED DROP OFF, YOU HAVE PARKING SPACES WHERE THERE'LL BE A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA AND, AND I REMEMBER ROSS REGULARLY, BUT NEW WEXNER AND THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF THOSE BUILDINGS DROPPING OFF, PICKING UP PEOPLE.
AND I SEE THIS, DO YOU THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THIS ALL THIS HEAD IN PARKING AND PEOPLE BE BACKING OUT? SO IT'S ACTUALLY AN EXISTING CONDITION TODAY THAT EXISTS OUT THERE TODAY.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE TO MITIGATE THAT, NO, NOT PRIME DESIGN.
IF THIS WAS A BRAND NEW HOSPITAL, WE WOULDN'T DO THAT.
BUT THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF A DA SPACES THAT EXIST THERE TODAY THAT WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN.
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT DOES ALLOW FLEXIBILITY IS WE ACTUALLY HAVE A 36 FOOT WIDE DRIVE AISLE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE, THE BALLARDS ARE ALONG THE SIDEWALK THAT DROP OFF LANE, IF A CAR IS SITTING THERE ALONG THE DROP OFF LANE, YOU STILL HAVE AT LEAST PROBABLY A FULL 24, 26 FOOT DRIVE AISLE BEHIND THOSE SPACES THAT ACTUALLY, SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A THREE LANE WIDE DRIVE AISLE THERE BEHIND THOSE A DA SPACES.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN WITH THIS DESIGN TO ENSURE THOSE HANDICAP SPACES DIDN'T IMPACT THE FLOW AT THE DROPOFF.
'CAUSE THAT IS FIXING THE FLOW AT THIS DROPOFF IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS THAT OHIO HEALTH WANTED TO FIX WITH THIS DESIGN.
RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A DROPOFF AREA THAT GETS YOU TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE HOSPITAL AND THERE'S A SEPARATE DISCHARGE CANOPY AND IT CAUSES A LOT OF CONFUSION FOR THE PATRONS THAT VISIT THE HOSPITAL.
THERE'S ONLY A SH SMALL AMOUNT OF A DA SPACES WHO ARE ACTUALLY INCREASING A DA SPACES AT THE FRONT DOOR WITH THIS.
BUT ONE OF THE CRITICAL ITEMS WE KEPT WAS THAT 36 FOOT WIDE DRIVE AISLE IN FRONT BECAUSE YOU'VE ESSENTIALLY GOT THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC THERE.
SO CARS SITTING AT THE CURB AREN'T GONNA IMPACT YOUR ABILITY TO GET IN AND OUT OF THOSE A DA SPACES.
AND CAN I, YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE?
I'M SORRY, I DROVE THE SITE, BUT I DIDN'T DRIVE DRIVE UP THERE, SO I I SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE THAT THAT WAS EXISTING.
BUT, UM, A, A QUESTION ABOUT THE DOORS ON THE SIDE
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OF THE ADDITION, UH, THOSE DOORS.UM, NOW THIS IS NOT A PARKING QUESTION, BUT THIS IS A QUESTION ABOUT ACCESS.
ARE THOSE DOORS PRIMARILY EGRESS FOR LEAVING THE BUILDING OR WILL PEOPLE BE COMING THROUGH THOSE DOORS? UH, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHICH DOORS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, BUT IF IT'S ON THE NEW ADDITION.
YEAH, IT'S ON THE NEW ADDITION.
OHIO HEALTH IS GOING THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO LIMIT INGRESS POINTS INTO OUR BUILDINGS FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR PATIENTS AND ASSOCIATES.
SO THROUGH THIS DESIGN AND THROUGH OTHER PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING, WE'RE GONNA START TO DRIVE ALL OUR PATIENTS TO THE ED ENTRANCE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND THE MOB ENTRANCE.
AND ALL THE BACK DOORS ARE GONNA BE EXIT ONLY EXCEPT FOR WHERE THERE'S A STAFF ENTRANCE.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE LIMITING THOSE.
SO THE ANY DOORS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE, OR THE SIDES OF THE NEW TOWER WILL BE EGRESS ONLY.
AND, AND ONE LAST QUESTION ABOUT THE DESIGN.
THERE, THERE ARE TWO FEATURES THAT STAND OUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING BUILDING AND TAYLOR POINTED OUT ONE OF THEM, WHICH IS THE ANGLED PROFILE THAT YOU SEE IN, IN SOME OF THE ROOF LINES, BUT YOU ALSO SEE THAT PROFILE REFLECTED IN SOME OF FEATURES ALONG THE BUILDING AT THE GROUND LEVEL.
YOU EVEN SEE IT AROUND AROUND THE OTHER SIDE WHERE YOU HAVE IN THE OFFICE BUILDING WHERE YOU HAVE CHILDREN'S CHILDREN'S ENTRY THERE.
WAS IT A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO ELIMINATE THOSE DETAILS? UM, I THINK THOSE ARE THE DETAILS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WORKING WITH TAYLOR AND STAFF ON AS WE GO IN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, ANY OF THE END VIEWS OF THAT.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING TOWER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERINGS OF THE NEW BUILDING WITH THE PENTHOUSE, I THINK AS WE'VE LAID OUT THE PENTHOUSE, I THINK WE'RE STILL WORKING ON EXACTLY HOW TO INCORPORATE ANY OF THAT DETAILING IN A NEW CONDITION ON THE CAMPUS SO THAT HAVING A PENTHOUSE THAT'S ENCLOSED IS DIFFERENT THAN THESE WHERE THE AIR HANDLERS ARE SET BACK ON THE ROOF.
SO YOU HAVE THAT, THAT ANGLED SURFACE IS MUCH MORE PROMINENT, I THINK.
CAN YOU GO TO ONE OF THE FLAT ELEVATIONS OR THE 3D ELEVATIONS IN THESE? SO EVEN THAT END VIEW THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN THE TOP THERE, UM, IF WE FOUND A WAY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING AS WE TRY AND BREAK UP THE PENTHOUSE VIEW, I THINK THAT'S THE DETAILING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH STAFF ABOUT HOW DO WE START TO INCORPORATE THAT.
DETAILING THAT'S NOT THERE TODAY THAT WE KNOW WE NEED TO WORK ON.
UM, I WANT TO AGAIN VERIFY A COUPLE THINGS THAT YOU'VE SAID ALREADY AND, AND CONFIRM THAT I THINK THE DESIGN CONCEPT IS TO, UM, REPEAT THE EXISTING KIND OF DESIGN CHARACTER OF THE CAMPUS WITH THIS NEW TOWER.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO IT'S, AGAIN, I, MR. ALEXANDER RAISED THIS ISSUE OF CONTINUITY, UM, AND YOU ALSO MADE THE POINT THAT THE, THE TOWER IS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE CAMPUS.
IT'S A SIX STORY TOWER ON THE HIGHLY VISIBLE.
SO WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS THAT THIS IS NOW A NEW ELEMENT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
IT'S ACTUALLY SEVEN STORIES OF THE PENTHOUSE PROBABLY.
SO YOU NOW HAVE A TALL ELEMENT THAT ISN'T CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE CAMPUS.
AND I THINK THE, THE BED FLOORS ARE, YOU'RE USING A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION OF THE BED FLOORS ARE NARROWER.
SO YOU, YOU NOW HAVE A, A, A SLIMMER BUILDING, TALLER BUILDING, UM, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO APPLY TO IT A DESIGN CONCEPT THAT WAS DEVELOPED 20 YEARS AGO.
AND I, I APP TOTALLY APPRECIATE THE IDEA OF CONTINUITY.
UM, BUT I'M JUST, I'M WONDERING HAD YOU EXPLORED WITH THIS TOWER TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT, UM, DIDN'T NECESSARILY MIRROR THE PAST BUT STARTED TO REFLECT SOME CONTEMPORARY MOVES AND THE FACT THAT IT'S ADDING A NEW MASS TO THE CAMPUS, WHICH IF YOU'RE COMING EAST ON 33, I WOULD SAY IS THE FACE OF THE HOSPITAL.
AND, AND, AND BACK TO THE, THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE THE, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT OF THE HOSPITAL IS BEAUTIFUL AND THE GLASS AND ALL OF THAT, AND IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT REFLECTED AS THIS BUILT AS YOU COME AROUND THE CORNER NOW.
SO I WAS LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHT PROCESS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENCY.
BUT WHAT DID YOU EXPLORE MAY, DID YOU THINK ABOUT COULD WE DO DIFFERENTLY? UM, I THINK AS WE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO DIFFERENTLY, YOU SEE THE, THE KIND OF THE VERTICAL LIGHT CHANNEL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FLOOR, BREAKING THAT MASS INTO TWO PIECES THAT ARE MORE SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING TOWERS.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT, NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
BUT WE DID TO MR. ALEXANDER'S KIND OF, HOW DO YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN AND HOW DO YOU GROW SIMILAR IN THE FUTURE,
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KEEPING THE SAME MATERIALS, KEEPING THE SAME WINDOW PATTERNING, THOSE KIND OF THINGS IN THE BED FLOOR.WE'RE KIND OF BEDROCK MOMENTS FOR THE PROJECT.
'CAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE, WE KNEW THE SHAPE AND THE, THE FUNCTION OF THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING NEEDED TO BE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO.
BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SIGNATURE PIECE THAT SAT ON THE CAMPUS IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND I DON'T DISAGREE MR. WAY THAT HAVING A SICK, THE EXTRA TWO STORIES AND THE PENTHOUSE HAVING AN ENCLOSED PIECE ON TOP.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO WORK ON A LITTLE BIT WITH STAFF.
BUT I THINK KEEPING THE CONTEXT OF THE CAMPUS WITH THE BED FLOORS AND THE WINDOWING AND THE WAY THAT IS, WAS ALSO IMPORTANT FOR OHIO HEALTH TO KEEP SOME LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY AND NOT GO TO A, UH, I DON'T THINK WE WANT THIS TO BE RIVERSIDE SOMEDAY, WHERE NOW WE'RE TRYING TO COLLECT IT ALL TOGETHER AFTER FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT ADDITIONS.
SO I THINK WE'RE, WE WERE, THE INTENTION WAS TO TRY AND KEEP AS SIMILAR AS WE COULD, EVEN THOUGH THE GEOMETRY IS DIFFERENT.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT WORKING WITH STAFF, I THINK THOSE ARE THE, THE THINGS THAT ARE IN MY MIND AS I LOOK AT THE MASSING ELEVATIONS AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, JUST ONE OTHER CLARIFICATION ON THE GREEN ROOF, OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY'S INTERESTED IN THAT.
UM, SO THE, THERE IS A PORTION OF THAT LOWER ROOF THAT IS OVER.
IT'S THE, IT'S BASICALLY MECHANICAL, RIGHT? IT'S YOU'VE GOT A GROUND LEVEL MECHANICAL, I'M LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLANS.
WHAT IS THAT SPACE? NO, I THINK THAT'S ALL LAB SPACE, PHARMACY SPACE, STORAGE SPACE.
IT'S, THERE'S SOME PATIENT SPACE.
I'M NOT SURE IF I'M MISSING SOMETHING.
SO IT'S LIKE THE, IT'S LIKE FAR RIGHT AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU.
SO YEAH, SO THE, THE FAR RIGHT PIECE OF THAT IS, UH, SURGERY OPERATING ROOMS. SO IT IS, THE MECHANICAL SPACES ARE ABOVE IN THIS.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE FIRST FLOOR.
YEAH, LET ME MARK FIRST FLOOR OF THE HOUSE.
CAN WE PULL UP PLEASE CHRISTINA, JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT LOOKING AT HIM.
CHRISTINA BERT ARCHITECT WITH DESIGN GROUP.
UM, THE, WHENEVER WE HAVE THE RED BOX OVER THE AREA.
SO ON THE FAR RIGHT, THE TALLEST PORTION IS THE EXTENDING OF OUR SURGERY AREA ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO THAT KIND OF GOES FROM THE FAR WEST OF THE BUILDING OVER TO THAT.
AND THEN MECHANICAL DROPS DOWN AFTER MS. MAXWELL.
DO YOU HAVE AN ADDRESS FOR THAT BUSINESS? COULD YOU STATE THE ADDRESS ALSO? UM, FOR DESIGN YOUR ADDRESS? YEAH.
SIGN YOUR 5 1 5 EAST MAIN TAYLOR, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL UP THAT FIRST FLOOR PLAN? I, I JUST WANT, SO THE COMMISSIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE BUILDING, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT THE CITY'S ASKING TO BUILD OVER.
UM, THE FIRST FLOOR AGAIN IT MAY IS THERE'S LIKE ON THE WEST SIDE IT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S UM, COOLING RACKS AND CLINICAL ENGINEERING.
IT'S ALL KIND OF SERVICE STUFF.
AND THEN THERE'S, NEXT TO IT IS THE FIRST FLOOR MECHANICAL.
IS THAT NOT, AM I NOT READING THIS PLAN CORRECTLY? THAT'S CORRECT.
THE SECOND FLOOR JUST EXTENDS PAST THAT.
ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN, SO THE ROOF DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PATIENT ROOMS IS OVER THE SECOND FLOOR.
BUT, SO THEN ON THE OPERATING ROOM FLOOR, IT DOESN'T EXTEND OVER ALL OF THAT MECHANICAL SPACE.
THERE IS A LOWER A ROOF THERE.
THAT FIRST STEP DOWN THAT WE SAW IN THAT RED BOX.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A SPACE THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GONNA BE OVER CLINICAL SPACE.
AND THEN, YEAH, AND I THINK WE AGAIN WOULD AGREE TO A TEXTURED ROOF OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
WORKING WITH STAFF TO RESOLVE WHAT THAT, WELL I'M JUST EXPLORING WHETHER A GREEN ROOF ANYWHERE IS STILL POSSIBLE.
COULD YOU DO THE LOWER ROOF GREEN AND THEN DO THE UPPER, WELL EVEN THE MECHANICAL SPACES AND THE CLINICAL ENGINEERING SPACE WHERE THEY HAVE PATIENT CARE EQUIPMENT, IT'S JUST, WE, WE JUST DON'T DO GREEN ROOFS ANYMORE TO OHIO HEALTH BECAUSE OF THE INCLUSION OF THOSE.
SO THE, YOU, SO JUST A, AGAIN, I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY.
SO, SO YOU, YOU, YOU WOULD NOT WANNA PUT ANY GREEN ROOF OVER THE FIRST FLOOR MECHANICAL SPACE BECAUSE NO, I WOULD NOT WANT TO PUT A GREEN ROOF ON.
IS THAT LIKE BOILERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT? GENERATORS, THAT SPACE.
THERE'S SO MANY WHITE BOXES THERE.
BUT WHAT IS AIR HANDLERS? AIR HANDLERS, PROBABLY AIR HANDLERS.
SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S THINGS THAT TYPICALLY ARE ON ROOF.
SO THEY'RE
I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR NOW.
THANK YOU MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
I I'M ON THE ROOF, UM, SITUATION STILL TOO.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, LIKE THE WORD STONE WAS MENTIONED MM-HMM
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WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT, JUST SO I'M UNDERSTANDING? YEAH, I THINK WE'VE DO A BALLASTED ROOF WITH STONE AND IT COULD BE A PATTERN STONE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, BUT IT'S MORE OF A TRADITIONAL ROOFING MATERIAL VERSUS AT A EDITION OF A DECORATIVE ELEMENT THAT ISN'T REALLY PART OF THE ROOF.ONE MORE QUESTION ON THAT LINE AS WELL TOO.
WOULD A BOX, A CONTAINER BOX FILLED WITH A TREE OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT BE AMENABLE TO THAT TYPE OF A ROOF? NO, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND WE, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING, EVEN THE, THE WOMEN'S HOSPITAL WHERE WE TOOK THAT AMENITY OUT, WE WERE, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DEEP TRAYS, SHALLOW TRAYS, DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING IT.
MM-HMM
HAVE YOU HAD ANY STATE REGULATIONS OR ANYBODY COME DOWN TO SAY THAT, HEY, WE SHOULDN'T? NO.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT LIGHTING ON THE ROOF ON THAT PORTION? I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST AT NIGHT.
SO YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING FANTASTIC AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, LET'S LIGHT IT UP AT NIGHT BECAUSE YOU HAVE PATIENTS THERE 24 7 AND IS THAT ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE, UM, UH, DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT? NO, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
BUT AGAIN, PATIENT BEDROOMS ARE NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO PROVIDE LIGHTING OR DISTRACTION.
SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE A SCULPTURE, A SCULPTURE OUT THERE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LIKE SIDELIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN CASE THERE'S LIGHT LEAKAGE INTO ONE OF THE OTHER SPACES.
I WAS JUST THINKING OF LOW LIGHTING AND SO FORTH.
BUT, UM, I, I LIKE THE WORD WITH THE MASTER PLAN THINKING OF THAT BECAUSE WHEN WALKING THE AREA, UM, YOU HAVE, AND IT'S JUST OVER TIME, UH, WHERE YOU'LL HAVE A SIDEWALK AND THEN IT'LL GO INTO GRAVEL DURING THIS TIME PERIOD, WILL YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER PARTS OF THE HOSPITAL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS WALKABLE AND SO FORTH, UM, TO CONNECT IT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT OVER TIME WHEN YOU'VE PLACED ONE THING, MAYBE THIS IS TIME TO UPDATE THOSE AREAS AS WELL.
YEAH, I THINK WE'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THOSE AREAS ARE, BUT THAT DOES SOUND STRANGE.
YEAH, I SENT SOME PICTURES SO YEAH.
UM, OKAY, SO HAVE YOU BEEN HAPPY WITH THE EXISTING MATERIALS SINCE YOU'RE USING THEM AGAIN, WE'RE JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SOME TIME THAT YOU'VE BEEN USING 'EM.
HAVE YOU HAD TO TURN, DO YOU KNOW, ADD NEW FEATURES TO THEM? YEAH, I MEAN MEAN I THINK THAT THE PALLET THAT WE USED IN DUBLIN METHODIST 20 YEARS AGO, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PICKERINGTON METHODIST HOSPITAL OR GROVE CITY METHODIST HOSPITAL, IT'S STILL THE DARK BRICK.
WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY ANGLED ROOFS IN QUITE AS MUCH ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL ON OUR EXISTING BUILDINGS.
BUT THE STANDARDS THAT KIND OF THIS BUILDING SET HAVE CARRIED FORWARD THROUGH OHIO HEALTH IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WE'VE GOT ADDED ON.
AND YOU'VE GOT A GOOD CONTRACT GROUP THAT UM, HAVE BEEN CERTIFIED AND ABLE TO PUT IN THESE PRODUCTS YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S BRICK AND STONE AND METAL PANELS THAT ARE PRETTY STANDARD MATERIALS.
WE'VE HAD REALLY GOOD SUCCESS WITH THOSE WITH OUR CONTRACTORS.
THIS IS PART I DIDN'T GET TO DO, BUT WALK FROM THAT AREA TO LIKE KROGER'S.
IS THERE AN EASY 'CAUSE I CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES OR SOMETHING WHEN THEY GO OVER TO THAT AREA? HOW'S THAT SPACE? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE BIKE PATHS AND SIDEWALKS.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE'S KIND OF A SHORTCUT THAT GETS YOU THERE.
I KNOW THAT IF YOU GO OUT TO THE, THE MULTI-USE PATH AROUND THAT DOES CONNECT AND I KNOW THAT THE SIDEWALKS EVEN ON OUR INTERNAL DRIVE HAVE THE MULTI-USE PATH.
SO I KNOW THERE ARE CONNECTIONS, I JUST DON'T, CAN'T REMEMBER AND SEE ONE THAT IS LIKE JUST STRAIGHT ACROSS.
AND I KNOW THERE'S THAT RETENTION POND BETWEEN THE MOB AND THAT KROGER PARKING.
SO I THINK THERE'S A PATH BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ROUNDABOUT.
IT'S BACK BY THE STAFF LOT AND THERE'S A AND CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME? JUST WHEN WE COME IN AND OUT, IT'S NICE TO HAVE THAT THE RECORD.
I MEAN AT EMT 5,500 NEW ALBANY ROAD COLUMBUS, UM, THERE IS A SIDEWALK NEAR THE STAFF LOT AND ACTUALLY THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THAT COMES OUTTA THE BACK HOSPITAL TO PROVIDE STAFF CONNECTION OVER THERE.
BUT THERE IS THEN SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY THERE.
AND THERE'S A OFF THE NO, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, IT ACTUALLY GETS YOU TO THE FRONT DOOR.
THERE'S A SIDEWALK OVER THERE.
WHEN UM, DRIVING THROUGH THAT AREA, UH, I NOTICED TOO, UM, THE, THERE'S A STAFF PARKING, DOES THAT STAY THE SAME? AND IT HAS A GATE SO IT'S ONLY FOUR STAFF.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ALL JUST FOR VISITORS AND PATIENTS? CORRECT.
SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF KATHY'S COMMENTS.
SO THERE ARE NO, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE EXISTING PATHS, THERE'S NO
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ADDITIONAL, UM, AS YOU RETHINK PARKING, THERE'S NO OTHER ADDITIONAL SITE AMENITIES, ADDITIONAL PATHS THAT YOU'RE ADDING AS PART OF THIS? OR ARE THERE, ARE YOU SAYING THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, CAN YOU BRING UP THE TAYLOR, CAN YOU BRING UP THE NEW SITE PLAN? I KNOW YOU MENTIONED BENCHES AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS NICE, BUT OTHER THAN JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S GONNA BE MORE WALKABLE OR MORE GREEN SPACE.UM, THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE HAS ALWAYS BEEN WALKABLE WITH THE SHARED USE PATHS WITHIN THE PARKING.
WE HAVE ADDED, AS YOU CAN SEE, KIND OF MORE OF THESE VERTICAL STRIATIONS THAT GO IN THESE PATHWAYS THAT ARE REALLY TRIED TO FOCUS ON HOW TO COLLECT AND MAKE SAFE PATHS IN AND OUTTA THE HOSPITAL FOR PATIENTS.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS THAT GO ALONG THE FRONT OF THE HOSPITAL ALONG KIND OF THAT MAIN LOOP ROAD WILL ALL BE UH, KIND OF MAKE SURE THEY'RE RECONNECTED AND SAFER WITH CROSSWALKS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS AT THE RIGHT LOCATIONS.
AND ACTUALLY WHY THIS IS UP TOO.
SO, UM, GETTING BACK TO THE MASTER PLANNING COMMENT, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, MAYBE A LITTLE TUNNEL VISION HERE NOT TO THINK ABOUT AS WE'RE, AS YOU'RE ASKING US TO DEC APPROVE A DECREASE IN THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.
ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT IF THAT WEST, I THINK YOU CALLED IT THE TEARDROP SITE, UM, AT SOME POINT IS DEVELOPED, ARE WE PINCHING OURSELVES AND GONNA BE STRUGGLING WITH PARKING AT THAT POINT WHEN WE'RE REDUCING THE PARKING SO MUCH HERE? NO, I THINK THAT AS WE, IF YOU TAKE THAT RED PIECE AND THEN THE SPACE, THAT'S THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT BELOW IT, IF YOU PICKED THAT UP AND MOVED IT OVER TO THE LEFT, IF WE WERE TO DRAW A MASTER PLAN THAT WOULD BE THE NEW BUILDING.
THE HELIPAD WOULD MOVE TO THE LEFT KIND OF THE INTERIOR DRIVE THAT CREATES THE TEARDROP SEPARATING OUR TWO PROPERTIES WOULD PROBABLY BECOME AN INTERIOR ROAD AT THAT POINT.
AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE PARKING THAT EXTENDED CONTINUING THE, THE PARKING AT THE RATE THAT WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE, THE 2.25 PER THOUSAND THAT WE HAVE.
SO THERE WOULDN'T BE AN OUT PARCEL MOB OR ANYTHING IN THAT TEARDROP ANTICIPATED THIS POINT.
I THINK WE WOULD, ADDING A NEW BUILDING AS WE DID WOULD BE ATTACHED, KIND OF ABSORB THAT.
THAT TEAR DROP INTO IT AS WE GROW.
UM, SO TAYLOR, I GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
SO, UM, HOW GETTING TO THE, UH, MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE, UM, HOW DO WE DELINEATE IN OUR CODE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MECHANICAL SCREENING AND BUILDING A SECOND, UH, SEVENTH STORY, UH, PENTHOUSE FOR THE MECHANICAL UNITS? IS THERE A DELINEATION? BECAUSE THAT'S TO ME IS A LOT MORE THAN JUST MECHANICAL SCREENING.
WE'RE BUILDING A, A A, AN ADDITIONAL STORY ONTO THE BUILDING.
YEAH, SO THIS IS REGULATED, UM, BY A STANDARD IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT FOR THIS PUD WHICH ALLOWS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING TO EXTEND BEYOND, UM, TO BASICALLY ARCHITECTURALLY INTEGRATE OR SCREEN IT, UM, BASED ON HOW THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING, UM, TO PROVIDE THOSE MECHANICAL PENTHOUSES.
SO, UM, IT ALLOWS FOR IT, UM, IT DOESN'T REALLY PROVIDE MUCH GUIDANCE BEYOND THAT, BUT TYPICALLY SPEAKING FOR THIS SORT OF MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE SEEN ACROSS OTHER SITES IN DUBLIN, RIGHT, WE ALWAYS ARE TRYING TO REDUCE THEIR APPEARANCE, UM, AND HEIGHT.
UM, SO YOU'RE NOT, YOUR, YOUR FOCUS ISN'T DRAWN TO THEM.
UM, SO I WOULD SAY LIKE ACROSS THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMENT TO STEP IT BACK OR REDUCE ITS APPEARANCE OF BULKINESS IS A PRETTY CONSISTENT COMMENT.
I, I I MAY ADD THAT IT'S NOT HABITABLE SPACE THAT'S PART OF THE DESCRIPTION.
BUT WE'RE ESSENTIALLY PROVING A SEVENTH STORY IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE BE AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT, BUT IT IS, I MEAN THIS IS A VERY TALL, THIS IS A VERY TALL BUILDING FOR THIS LOCATION AND I KNOW WE HAVE A SIX STORY APPROVED, BUT WE'RE ADDING A SEVENTH STORY FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES TO THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S A, NOT, NOT CONSIDERED AN OCCUPIED STORY, BUT, BUT YES, YES.
IN TERMS OF THE AESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
MR. CHUNK, IF YOU'LL ALLOW, IS THERE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT? UM, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS SIX STORIES, BUT THE TEXT ALSO GOES ON TO SAY THAT A, YOU KNOW, A MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE, UM, IS A BE IT IS ALLOWED TO EXTEND BEYOND THAT.
SO I'M GONNA GO KEEP GOING ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN LEARN FROM SOME OF THE, UH, I WOULD SAY IT'S A LITTLE UNSUCCESSFUL, BUT MECHANICAL UNITS ON THE EXISTING, THE MECHANICAL SCREENING ON THE EXISTING HOSPITAL, UM, YOU, YOU JUST SAID WE'RE TRYING TO DRAW ATTENTION AWAY FROM 'EM.
WELL THOSE, THOSE ARE CLEARLY VERY LARGE, VERY APPARENT AND IT'S, IT'S A BIG PART OF THE OVERALL AESTHETIC.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, HA HAS THERE BEEN A DISCUSSION BUT THE APPLICANT ABOUT A BETTER JOB OF SCREENING? 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A TALLER BUILDING AND NOW WE'RE JUST TAKING THESE MECHANICAL, THIS MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE AND JUST PUTTING IT VERY, VERY HIGH, A NICE BIG ADVERTISEMENT FOR A BIG METAL STRUCTURE.
YEAH, SO, UM, STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TEAM HAVE WORKED CLOSELY.
UM, WE HAVE DISCUSSED SEVERAL OPTIONS.
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WHAT THAT IS EXACTLY YET, BUT UM, RIGHT, WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO EITHER, UM, ARCHITECTURALLY INTEGRATE IT.SO MAYBE ADDING, WE CALL THEM THE FINS ON THE EXISTING TOWERS THAT ANGLE UP.
SO MAYBE ADDING SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO THIS ADDITION TO HELP CONCEAL, UM, THAT SCREENING.
OR MAYBE IT'S CHANGING THE WAY THAT, UM, THE HORIZONTAL LINES OF THAT METAL PANELING.
MAYBE THEY'RE AT DIFFERENT ANGLES ON THE PROPOSED SCREENING.
SO IT JUST MAKES IT MORE ARCHITECTURALLY INTEGRATED.
THERE'S VARIOUS DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THAT COULD BE ACHIEVED SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO.
SO IF AN APPLICANT THEN IS, IS, IS THERE ANOTHER MATERIAL THAT YOU'VE CONSIDERED OR WOULD CONSIDER OUTSIDE OF THE METAL PANELS? COULD THE BRAKE EXTEND HIGHER? COULD WE GET ANOTHER MATERIAL UP THERE? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER LOOKING AT.
IT COULD BE, I MEAN, I'M STANDING HERE THINKING OF SOLUTIONS.
I KNOW THE ARCHITECTS ARE WORKING ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT IT COULD BE DIFFERENT TYPES OR DIFFERENT COLORS OF TEXTURES, OF, OF METAL PANELS.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS WHERE YOU COULD TAKE THAT BLOCK AND BREAK IT INTO SMALLER CHUNKS PER SE.
UM, I THINK, AND I THINK WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DELIBERATION ABOUT SOME OF THE AR ARTICULATION OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
'CAUSE I, I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT IT.
I'LL WAIT
I WAS TALLYING THE, I THINKS, BY THE WAY, UH, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSION ON RETROFITTING THE EXISTING TOWERS, NOT AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT HAS THERE BEEN INTERNAL DISCUSSION ABOUT RETROFITTING EXISTING TOWERS RETROFITTING WITH ADDITIONAL HEIGHT? UH, THAT'S NOT STRUCTURALLY POSSIBLE, I BELIEVE.
I THINK I WOULD BE PRETTY SAFE IN SAYING THAT.
AND THEN ON THE, UM, NORTH ELEVATION WHERE THE GREEN ROOF HAS BEEN.
SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION WITHIN YOUR GROUP ON VERTICAL GREEN IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA THAT GOES DOWN TO GROUND LEVEL? UH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS? MISSED YOUR WAY,
THERE'S ALWAYS ANOTHER QUESTION.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE, UM, AGAIN, BACK TO MY QUESTIONING BEFORE, UM, IT, THE STAIR TOWER THAT YOU HAVE THAT'S ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE HOSPITAL AND YOU HAVE THAT IN, IN A MATERIAL THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FAMILIAR WITH THE, WITH THE CAMPUS.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING FEATURE.
IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY HAD YOU CONSIDER, THERE'S ANOTHER STAIRS ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE THAT, THAT BROWN STRIP THAT GOES UP.
HAD YOU CONSIDERED EXPRESSING THAT SAME EXPRESSION THERE AS A STAIR TOWER THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GO UP AND ENGAGE WITH THE PENTHOUSE? TAYLOR, CAN YOU SHOW THE SOUTH ELEVATION? I'M SURE THERE, IT SHOWS STAIRS AND AN ELEVATOR IN THAT CORNER.
YEAH, IT, I BELIEVE YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND I JUST WONDERED IF, I MEAN, IS THAT A PLACE THAT YOU HAD CONSIDERED DOING THAT OR IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T CONSIDER? I GUESS THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO GET TO THAT.
I JUST, AND IF YOU COULD, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE TO ADD THAT I CLARIFY WITH CHRISTINE.
SO THAT'S THE, THE TOWER, THE VERTICAL WINDOWS.
IS THE STAIR TOWER ELEVATOR OFF TO THE RIGHT.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE OVERRUN IN EVERY, THE PLUM BRICK? SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WEST ELEVATION.
YOU'D STILL PROBABLY NEED THAT STAIR TOWER FOR EGRESS AND INGRESS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BUT IT'S THE, IT'S THE SEAM BETWEEN THE ED AND THE AND THE NEW BED TOWER.
THAT BROWN, THE BROWN BRICK THAT GOES ALL THE WAY.
THAT'S A STAIR TOWER, RIGHT? ALSO.
COULD THAT THERE'S A STAIR BACK BEHIND, BUT, OH, SORRY.
CHRISTINA, BERT, UM, DESIGN GROUP.
BUT THERE IS A MECHANICAL SHAFT RIGHT IN THAT CORNER AND THEN THE STAIR BEHIND THAT.
UM, THIS IS THE WEST FACE OF A BUILDING.
IT'S GONNA GET TREMENDOUS HEAT LOAD ON IT.
HAD YOU CONSIDERED DOING ANY KIND OF SUNSHADE ON THE WINDOWS TO, AGAIN, IT COULD BE AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE THAT BROKE UP THE FACADE A LITTLE BIT.
HAD YOU CONSIDERED THAT? I DON'T, WE DID NOT STUDY THAT HERE IN OTHER BUILDINGS WE'VE STUDIED THAT HAVE PATIENT USE, UM, WE FOUND NEGLIGENT IMPACT ADVANTAGE TO HAVE THAT ON A 24 7, 365 SPACE LIKE THIS BECAUSE THE AIR HANDLERS ARE DOING AIR CHANGES AND THINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN OFFICE BUILDINGS WHERE THEY DO FIND THAT ADVANTAGE.
I THINK YOU HAVE THOSE ON YOUR WESTERVILLE FACILITY.
AND MAYBE THAT'S A LESSON LEARNED FROM THAT FACILITY.
I PROMISE ONE VERY QUICK QUESTION FOR TAYLOR.
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DOES STAFF CONSIDER AS, AS THE PRIMARY ELEVATIONS AS YOU'VE GOT HOSPITAL DRIVE KIND OF UNDULATING, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY ELEVATIONS FOR THIS BUILDING? UM, I WOULD SAY THE WEST ELEVATION BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST PROMINENT THAT FACES, UM, YOU KNOW, US ROUTE 33 AND THEN THE SOUTH ELEVATION AS WELL.I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ARCHITECT 'CAUSE I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THE MATERIALS BECAUSE YOU SHOW US MATERIAL ONE, UM, CLEAR ANODIZED ALUMINUM CURTAIN WALL AND THAT THAT SILVERY COLOR HAS A BIG IMPACT ON THE BUILDING.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR RENDERINGS, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE RENDERINGS AND I'M SEEING SPANDREL PANELS THAT ARE DARK BROWN.
NOW SOME OF THOSE ARE RECESSED SLIGHTLY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SHADOWS YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW OR IF IT'S JUST THE SOFTWARE.
UH, CHRISTINA PATAKI SIDE GROUP.
WE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THE SAME EXACT, UM, GLAZING PRODUCT AND A FRAME PRODUCT SO THAT WE CAN GET PRETTY MUCH AN EXACT MATCH LOOK-WISE OF WHAT'S ON THE EXISTING BUILDING BECAUSE THAT RADICALLY CHANGED SOME OF THESE ELEVATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE THESE BIG DARK BROWN AREAS IN YOUR RENDERING, BUT SUDDENLY YOU'RE GONNA POP MORE.
THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE EXCITED TO SEE.
WE ARE BEGINNING PROCESSES OF GETTING PROFESSIONAL RENDERINGS IN THAT WE CAN GIVE TO OHIO HEALTH.
THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THOSE.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? THANK YOU.
AT THIS TIME WE WILL MOVE ON TO DELIBERATION.
WE DO HAVE TWO ITEMS BEFORE US, BOTH RELATED TO THE DUBLIN METHODIST HOSPITAL HOSPITAL TOWER AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, AT THIS TIME, I THINK I'M GONNA REVERSE ORDER MR. CHINOOK, I'M GOING TO GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT, RIGHT? SORRY.
UM, THAT SOUNDED LIKE FROM ON HIGH.
AND DOES ANYONE PROB THE PUBLIC HERE IN THE MEETING WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING, UM, MR. CHIN, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.
I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA SAY ANYTHING I HAVEN'T OR ALREADY KIND OF ALLUDED TO.
I I DEF I HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS ON THE, UM, THE, THE, THE ARCHITECTURE, UM, AND THE ARCHITECTURAL APPEARANCE.
AND I APPRECIATE THE IDEA OF TRYING TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH THINGS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
BUT I THINK TO THE POINT THAT WAS MADE EARLIER, THERE'S A WAY TO MODERNIZE IT.
AGAIN, THE SCALE, THE SCALE OF THIS BUILDING IS, IS, IS NOT, I DON'T THINK ACCURATELY REFLECTING THE ELEVATIONS.
IT'S GONNA BE OUT THERE AND ADDING IT TO THE CURRENT SCALE OF THE BUILDING AND THE REPETITIVENESS OF THE WINDOWS.
I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME NEED FOR MUCH MORE ARTICULATION ON THE BUILDING, UM, BECAUSE IT, IT'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY PROMINENT.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE VERY PROMINENT, UM, BUILDING FOR Y'ALL.
AND, UM, AS, AS AGAIN, WE CONSIDER THE, LIKE I JUST ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE PRIMARY ELEVATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF METAL ON THE PRIMARY ELEVATIONS, WHICH I KNOW WE GET A PASS SINCE IT'S MECHANICAL, BUT IT'S NOT TYPICALLY ALLOWED.
UM, AND I, THAT WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER THE AMOUNT OF, OF METAL THAT WE'RE, UM, ESSENTIALLY PUTTING UP IN THE SKY.
UM, I, I, OTHER THAN I'M, I'M GEN GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF, OF HOW YOU'VE GOT IT LOCATED ON THE PLAN.
I THINK, UM, I'M OKAY WITH THE PARKING.
I I APPRECIATE THE IN DEPTH PARKING ANALYSIS YOU DID TO SHOW THAT THE PARKING.
'CAUSE I, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA BE OVER PARKED.
AND, UM, I THINK I'M, FOR THE MOST PART, I'M OKAY WITH THE, THE CONCESSIONS, BUT, UH, UM, I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE WORKING WITH STAFF.
THERE'S, THERE'S SEEMS TO BE A LOT, UM, THAT WE STILL NEED TO WORK ON TO GET US TO, UH, WHERE I THINK WE'D ALL BE HAPPY.
MS. HARDER, I WOULD AGREE, UH, WITH COLLEAGUE.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE, YOUR WORDS.
UM, YES, I'M FINE WITH THE, WITH THE PARKING LOT.
I THINK THERE'S, UM, GOOD PLACES IN HOW YOU'RE BRINGING IT CLOSER TOGETHER WITH PEOPLE, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, I AM CONCERNED WITH WHAT THE NEW GREEN SPACES WILL TURN OUT TO BE.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
IT'S KINDA ALLUDED TONIGHT JUST THAT IT'S, IT, IT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, ENVISIONED DUBLIN AND I THINK THERE'S MORE OUT THERE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND SHOULD BE DOING IN THOSE AREAS TO MAKE THAT, UH, I DO LIKE THE BENCHES THAT YOU PICKED OUT AND I LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE THE COLLECTIVE AREAS.
BUT I THINK SOME PURPOSE IN THEM AS WELL TOO.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE HEIGHT OF IT.
UM, I LIKE THE IDEA YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BRING, BREAKING IT UP A BIT.
IF THAT'S BRICK OR SOME OTHER KIND OF ELEMENT THAT WOULD BE, UM, UH, GREAT TOO.
I DO THINK THE STAFF IS GONNA HAVE THEIR HANDS FULL.
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A LOT OUT THERE THAT HAS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT AND IT'S THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS, UM, HAPPENING TODAY AND THE FUTURE.SO IF YOU WALK AROUND THE PROPERTY, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT, THAT ALONG THE LINES, YOU, YOU KIND OF, UM, UPDATED FOR THE POTENTIAL OF HOW PEOPLE WALK INTO THE BUILDING.
AND, AND I SAW, UM, STEPPING STONES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPES OF GRADES BEING USED.
AND I THINK THAT'S THAT TYPE, YOU GOTTA JUST, YOU KNOW, GET TOGETHER AND THINK ABOUT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE COMING IN THE BUILDING.
AND I'M THINKING MORE OF STAFF, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IN QUICKLY AND, AND SOMEONE PUT A STEPPING STONE THERE SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE PASSING THE BIG BOULDERS, THEY'RE NOT MAYBE WALKING IN PUDDLES.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT, THAT I THINK EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE THEIR HANDS FULL.
UH, THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE IS, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU'RE INTERESTED IN UPDATING BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE UPDATED, YOU KNOW, UM, AND WHAT YOU LIKED, WHAT YOU LIKE.
IT'S A, A BEAUTIFULLY LANDSCAPED, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU DO MORE ON THE ROOF WITH THAT, WITH ALL THE STONE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT PEOPLE WANNA TAKE A PICTURE OF IT.
OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL UP THERE THAT, THAT YOU CAN DO.
AND I GUESS WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT LIGHTING, IT'S NOT TO KEEP SOMEBODY UP OR ANYTHING, BUT JUST TO LIKE, OH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST A, JUST SOMETHING INTERESTING THAT MAKES SOMEONE LOOK AGAIN THERE TOO.
SO I APPRECIATE, UM, YOU ALL BEING HERE.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT TO BE TALKING ABOUT WITH STAFF.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER MR. WAY.
UM, I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF MY COMMENTS.
UM, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT AND ADDING MORE BEDS.
I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S FUNDAMENTAL TO YOUR BUSINESS, UM, AND A LOT.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS TO THAT THAT I THINK I COULD SUPPORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE GREEN ROOF ISSUE TO ME, OR THE ROOF ISSUE IS, IS A BIGGER ISSUE ABOUT CREATING A HEALING ENVIRONMENT AND WHAT'S THE BEST ENVIRONMENT THAT YOU CAN CREATE FOR YOUR PATIENTS WHO ARE PROBABLY A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND STUFF.
AND SO I THINK, AGAIN, THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THAT IS.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE BEST ENVIRONMENT YOU CAN CREATE.
YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, ILL IN THOSE BEDS AND THEY, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA GIVE THEM THE BEST EXPERIENCE.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT'S TRUE FOR NOT ONLY THE ROOF, BUT THEN THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOSPITAL ALSO WHAT'S, I KNOW THERE'S A HELIPAD THERE, BUT, UM, IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPE, I, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LANDSCAPE MIGHT BE ON THAT SIDE.
BUT, UM, I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO, AGAIN, THINK ABOUT THIS AS A HEALING ENVIRONMENT.
UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY SEE THESE PROJECTS SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE WE, WE KIND OF COME TO A CONCLUSION.
WE'RE SEEING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT, LOT OF THINGS TO WORK OUT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE.
UM, AND AGAIN, I SUPPORT THE MASSING, THE HEIGHT.
I THINK THE ISSUE OF THE PENTHOUSE ADDING ANOTHER FLOOR AND I AGREE WITH, UH, MY COLLEAGUE HERE IN, IN THOSE COMMENTS.
SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO ARCHITECTURALLY THAT WOULD JUST HELP TO, TO MITIGATE THAT.
WE, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE CONNECTOR, THE PIECE THAT DISSOLVED METAL PANEL TWO, THAT'S A BIG NEW PIECE THAT'S ADDED TO THE CANVAS THAT'S NEW.
UM, SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SERIOUS WORK WITH, UM, STAFF TO GET THE ARCHITECTURE, UM, TO THE PLACE WHERE I THINK WE WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT, OR AT LEAST I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
AND AGAIN, I I, I PUT THE LAYER ON THAT IT'S SITTING WITHIN THIS HEALING ENVIRONMENT AND WHETHER IT'S GREEN ROOF, IT'S LANDSCAPE, WHAT, YOU KNOW, I LIKE, THERE'S MORE STORY TO TELL ABOUT THAT, THAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR.
AND, AND I THINK THAT IS ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF THE CAMPUS.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN USE THE WORD MASTER PLAN IF YOU WANT, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER HEALTHCARE CAMPUSES, THEY, WHEN THEY GROW, IT'S LIKE SHORT, MEDIUM, TALL, TALLER, THEY TEND TO GET MORE DENSER, YOU KNOW, BIGGER.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS MAY BE THE MID STEP OF ANOTHER HOLE ADDITION TO THIS CAMPUS THAT COULD LOOK BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
AND SO IN, IN ESSENCE, THIS IS, THIS IS TRANSITIONAL FROM A 20-YEAR-OLD COMMUNITY HOSPITAL STARTING TO BECOME SOMETHING BIGGER AND MORE.
AND THIS, THIS TOWER, YOU KNOW, SETS THAT PRECEDENT AND IT ALSO CREATES A WHOLE NEW KIND OF IMAGE AND FACE FOR YOUR INSTITUTION, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE CITY SUPPORTS AND, AND WANTS TO SEE CONTINUE.
SO AGAIN, I'D, I'D LIKE TO, UH, SEE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE.
MR. ALEXANDER, THE, UM, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE ITEMS. THE FIRST, THE TEXT MODIFICATION, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE PARKING.
EVEN BEFORE COVID, MOST MUNICIPALITIES WERE REEVALUATING THEIR PARKING RATIOS AND REDUCING THEM.
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AND I THINK THIS IS A REAL THOUGHTFUL APPROACH TO RATIONALIZE THAT.SO, UM, I'M FINE WITH THE PARKING CHANGE.
THE, UM, I, I DO SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERN.
I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE IS EXTREMELY, UH, DEFERENTIAL TO THE EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH IT LOOKS LIKE AN ADDITION.
BUT I, AND I THINK IT'LL BE A LOT DIFFERENT.
I THINK THAT NORTH ELEVATION WILL BE VERY DIFFERENT IF THAT MATERIAL IS RENDERED INSTEAD OF BEING DARK.
IT'S REALLY A SILVER MASS THERE AND THE WINDOWS ARE DARK AND THERE'S MORE, THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE SOLID, MORE SILVER THAN BLACK.
SO I THINK THINGS WILL CHANGE IN THE WAY WE PERCEIVE THE ELEVATIONS.
I DO THINK THE MASS COULD HAVE BEEN MITIGATED IF THE, IF THE LIGHT COLOR BRICK WAS HELD AT THE SAME ELEVATION AS THE OTHER TOWERS, SO THEN YOU WOULD'VE HAD THAT LINE THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH THE MALL.
HOWEVER, THIS ISN'T ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND IT WOULD NOT BE THE STIPULATION OF MY, UM, VOTE FOR APPROVAL.
I AGREE WITH JAMIE'S COMMENT ABOUT THE MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE AND IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT'S DRIVING, IF THAT MEANT PENTHOUSE WAS PULLED IN, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON HOW YOU PERCEIVE THAT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S PUSHED OUT AND I KNOW WHY IT'S PUSHED OUT 'CAUSE IT LINES UP WITH THAT STAIR.
BUT IF THAT STAIR WERE ARTICULATED MORE, UH, PERHAPS FOLLOWING KIM'S SUGGESTION AND, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE TWO ENORMOUS COOLING TOWERS THERE, BUT THERE'S SPACE IN BETWEEN, YOU PULL THE REST OF THAT IN BECAUSE YOU BREAK THAT LINE UP, THE MASS CHANGES AND HOW YOU PERCEIVE THAT.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S JUST ONE YOU'LL PROBABLY COME UP WITH OTHER WAYS OF HANDLING THAT.
I THINK THE LANGUAGE ON THE GREEN ROOF GIVES YOU ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY THAT IF IT'S NOT LANDSCAPE, IT COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE AND STILL MEET, I, I THINK MEET THE INTENT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, I'M FINE WITH THE CONDITION AND UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YEAH, I SUPPORT, GENERALLY SUPPORT WHAT'S DONE.
BUT I REALLY DO THINK A MASTER PLAN WOULD REALLY BE VALUABLE BECAUSE THINGS LIKE, GOING BACK TO NUMBER ONE, YOU WOULD KNOW EARLY IN THE PROCESS IF YOU NEEDED TO CHANGE A TEXT TO POSSIBLY ACCOMMODATE A CHANGE LATER.
MR. DESLER, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE TEXT MODIFICATIONS? WE REALLY HAVEN'T.
I KNOW WE DOWN THERE, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT.
I DON'T, I HAVE COMMENTS ON THE TEXT MODIFICATION.
TAYLOR, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR YOU OR MAYBE THIS IS BETTER FOR THAD.
HOW, HOW MUCH CAN WE DIRECT ON THIS, ON THESE CRITERIA FOR THE, FOR THIS FINAL AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN? BECAUSE I GOTTA TELL YOU, EVERY PERSON THAT HAS TALKED, MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THEM, HAVE PRESCRIBED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CHANGES THAT'S WHOLLY AS A RESULT OF THIS.
NOT HAVING INFORMAL REVIEW, A CONCEPT PLAN OR AMEN DEVELOPMENT PLAN RIGHT TO FINAL.
SO HOW ARE WE, WHAT'S THE, THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OR MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT IS OBLIGATED NOW ON STAFF TO FIX ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH? 'CAUSE IT FEELS LIKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
I, IF I COULD ASK THAD FOR ONE CLARIFICATION QUESTION AND THEN GO TO THAT.
DAN, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT PUD COMPARED TO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND HOW A MASTER PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT TEXT FOR A PUD, UH, ARE THE SAME AND ARE DIFFERENT? WELL, SO HERE YOU'RE, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, UH, THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET IS THE ZONING THAT'S APPLICABLE TO THIS SITE AND SPECIFICALLY THE, UH, THE GENERAL STANDARDS FOR THIS PUD AS WELL AS, UH, THE SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT ARE SPELLED OUT FOR SUB AREA ONE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OBJECTIVE OF HAVING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ON A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN LIKE THIS IS TO DIRECT REVISIONS TO WHAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE OR CONSI YEAH, COMPLIANCE IS THE RIGHT WORD, TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, SOMETHING LIKE YOU HAVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, FACADE COLORS AND MATERIALS ON INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS SHOULD BE COORDINATED TO COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER.
UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, FLAT ROOF SHALL BE PERMITTED PROVIDED THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS SCREENED FROM VIEW OR OTHERWISE INCORPORATED INTO THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE.
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ARE SUBSTANTIVE CRITERIA IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT THE CONDITIONS OF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, SUCH AS WORKING WITH STAFF TO MAKE THAT ADDITIONS ARCHITECTURE COMPLIMENTARY TO, UM, MAKE THAT MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE MAKE ITS MASSING LESS, UH, SIGNIFICANT IN RELATION TO THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE.THOSE ARE CRITERIA THAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE GETTING TO.
DID THAT ANSWER EITHER OF YOUR QUESTIONS OR WAS I JUST TALKING? I MEAN, I THINK IT SHED SHED LIGHT ON ON MINE, BUT IT, IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE, THE AMOUNT HERE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF CASES WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OR CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'VE ADDED, BUT THEY'RE MORE OR LESS IN LINE WITH, UH, SMALLER TWEAKS.
AND I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDESIGNING ANYTHING HERE.
THERE'S JUST A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THINGS THAT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEAK, I'M JUST TRYING TO REGURGITATE THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY HERE MM-HMM
AND SO I HAVE A CONCERN, AND THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF DIRECTING YOU, IS THAT HOW MUCH ARE WE PUTTING ON STAFF TO BE ABLE TO CARRY ACROSS SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE HAVING COMPARATIVELY? 'CAUSE IT, IT JUST FEELS LIKE A LOT HERE.
YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THAT, AND YOU KNOW, STAFF CAN SPEAK TO THIS FROM THEIR EXPERIENCE WORKING THROUGH THESE STEPS KIND OF AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAGE AND WHAT THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH AND WHAT THE APPLICANT'S TEAM FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH.
THE POINT OF IT IS TO GET ENOUGH GUIDANCE FROM THE COMMISSION THAT THEY DON'T GO, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT DON'T GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT OFFICES AND SAY, WELL WE GOTTA FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I JUST HEARD.
RIGHT? SO SOMETIMES WE DO THAT BY THE CONDITION ITSELF, HAVING SOME EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT THEY MIGHT LOOK TO, TO TRY TO GET TO WHAT THE CONCERNS OF THE BODY ARE.
UM, IF THAT, YOU KNOW, IS HELPFUL TO STAFF, IF THAT'S HELPFUL TO THE COMMISSION, TO, TO HAVE A SENSE THAT WHAT THE BODY'S WILL IS, IS GOING TO BE CARRIED FORWARD, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S WORTH DISCUSSING AND ADDING TO THESE, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS WORK WITH STAFF AND, AND ULTIMATELY STAFF AND THE APPLICANT NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH GUIDANCE TO KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN ULTIMATELY COME TO A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GET ZONING APPROVAL FOR A BUILDING PERMIT WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS LATER.
AT, AT WHAT POINT DOES OUR COMMISSION THEN STEP BACK AND SAY, WE THINK THIS STAGE AT A FINAL AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS PERHAPS PREMATURE AND WE THINK THIS THE, THE GROUP NEEDS TO COME BACK WITH SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING SO WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE SOME OF THE INCORPORATION AND NOT NECESSARILY JUST THROW IT ALL ON STAFF? WELL, I, I THINK THAT IN TERMS OF THE APPLICATION TYPE HERE AS AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT SORT OF IS WHAT IT IS.
JUST BECAUSE THIS IS A SITE THAT HAS THIS EXISTING DEVELOPMENT TEXT, IT'S ALREADY BEEN PARTIALLY DEVELOPED.
IT'S ALREADY HAD A, AN APPROVED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THAT APPLICATION TYPE IS, IS WHAT IT IS HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE WOULD BE IF THERE WAS, UH, IF IT WAS THE COMMISSION'S DESIRE TO SEE MORE DETAIL BASED UPON THIS CONVERSATION AND THEN BRING IT BACK WOULD BE TO TABLE THIS, THIS APPLICATION TO COME BACK WITH, UH, DRAWINGS AND, AND OTHER SPECS THAT RESPOND TO THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING REBECCA
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UM, A SCENARIO THAT THEY COULD BUILD UP TO THE 950,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WITH NO, UM, CONDITIONS ON APPROVAL FOR THIS BODY? YEAH, SO IT WOULD BE IN THAT HYPOTHETICAL, I THINK THE UNANSWERED QUESTION IS WHETHER THERE WAS THAT ADDITION PROVIDED FOR IN THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT YEAH, THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SUB AREA ONE MODIFICATION TO 61.87.SO IF IT WERE IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT, WE ALREADY, THERE WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO MOVE THE LOT LINE ALREADY.
YEAH, THAT'S IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR.
SO GIVEN THAT HYPOTHETICAL, RIGHT, PEOPLE CAN BUILD TO WHAT'S APPROVED AS THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THEY HAVE A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
SO THA YOU GOTTA HELP ME OUT HERE AND MI REBECCA IF YOU WANT TO TOO.
I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THEN, BECAUSE THEN IT FEELS A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS THEN FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON SOME OF THESE THINGS AND IF, IF IN FACT THEY COULD HAVE ALREADY BUILT, BUILT IT WITHOUT COMING HERE.
YEAH, I, I WONDER CAN THAT WRAP UP? SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO GET, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT OUR SCOPE, IT'S THIS LOOK, I MEAN, HONESTLY, WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE LIKE THIS SIMILAR TO THIS.
I MEAN, THIS, THIS HASN'T BEEN UP FOR US REALLY.
I'M NOT COUNTING THE, THE HELIPAD, BUT 15 YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT SINCE SOMETHING'S COME UP.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS WHAT OUR OBLIGATIONS ARE, WHAT OUR EVALUATION PROTOCOLS ARE SO I CAN MAKE THE APPROPRIATE DECISION.
THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO KNOW BECAUSE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, I'M GONNA TELL 'EM TO TABLE IT AND WE NEED TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
BUT IF YOU TELL ME THAT THEY CAN BUILD THE THING AS IS WITH, WITHOUT EVEN REALLY COMING TO US, THEN THAT FEELS WEIRD THEN ASKING 'EM TO TABLE IT AND FIX SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
WELL, AND, AND FOR CLARIFICATION THEN, STATE OF U STATE OF OHIO, WE DON'T REQUEST TO TABLE ANYTHING.
WE ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WISH TO TABLE ANYTHING, AND IF THEY DON'T WISH TO TABLE IT, THEN WE PROVIDE A VOTE.
I GUESS WHAT I MEAN I'M SAYING IS I WOULD SAY NO TO THEIR APPLICATION AND THEN THEY CAN HAVE THE OPTION TO TABLE IT TO THE EXTENT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH VOTES.
SO GUESS WE CAN LOOK AT IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT, BUT THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT CLARIFYING CAN I, CAN I JUST, I I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IN TERMS OF WHAT DOES NEED TO COME TO THIS COMMISSION OR WHAT DOES NOT, IF IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THE, THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN SETS THE STAGE CREATES, UH, THE TEXT AND THE REZONING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS WHAT THE COMMISSION SAW YEARS AGO AND THE EXISTING BUILDING WAS APPROVED.
IF YOU'RE ADDING MORE TO IT, AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY PROVISIONS IN THE TAX THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO SMALLER ADDITIONS, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES UP TO 10%.
BUT ONCE YOU GO BEYOND THAT, THAT'S WHEN IT REQUIRES THE A FDP.
SO WE'VE DONE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS BEFORE FOR SMALLER, UH, COMPONENTS OF THAT HOSTEL, BUT THE SCALE OF THIS ONE RISES ABOVE THE TAX ALLOWANCES.
AND, AND I WOULD JUST OFFER THE, THE QUASI LEGISLATIVE ROLE THAT THE COMMISSION, AND THIS IS MY PERSPECTIVE, SO THAT IF I SAY ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ACCURATE, PLEASE CLARIFY OR CORRECT.
RATHER, WE, THE CITY OF DUBLIN APPROVED ZONING CODE, AND I'M GONNA USE THAT LANGUAGE EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S, UH, BEAUTY THAT'S, ITS FUNCTION IS ZONING CODE, WHICH THEN GRANTS GIVEN, UH, IT SETS THE STAGE FOR WHAT IS ALLOWABLE IN A PARTICULAR AREA.
AND SO THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN, IN MY HISTORY OF, OF WORKING WITH GOVERNMENTS, THAT MASTER PLAN IS EQUIVALENT TO A PUD.
A PUD IS A BEAUTY IS ESSENTIALLY A, IT, IT SERVES TWO FUNCTIONS.
IT SETS THE ZONING CODE AND IT SAYS WHAT CAN BE, IT GOES DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF MATERIALS, WHAT THE LANDSCAPING LOOKS LIKE, DOWN TO EVEN THE LANDSCAPE MATERIAL.
AND SO WHEN WE HAVE THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD MY CRAYONS AND DULO BLOCKS AND LEGO BLOCKS, THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT IS THE LEGOS, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT GOVERNS HOW WE PUT THE LEGOS IN.
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LEGOS.NOW THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, YOU ALREADY APPROVED THE DUPLO ISH, IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT TECH SAYING, HEY, WE CAN GO UP TO 950,000 SQUARE FEET, SIX STORIES, UM, PARAPET OR, YOU KNOW, ENCLOSURE FOR MECHANICALS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE SIX STORIES.
THE THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED EARLIER WAS ESSENTIALLY HOW MANY FEET, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A LIMITATION, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE DO.
SOUNDS LIKE WE SAY SIX STORIES, NOT INCLUDING MECHANICALS, THEN WE ALREADY KIND OF DID THE CRAYONS ON PAPER.
HEY, THIS IS GONNA BE 950,000 SQUARE FEET.
HOW WE DO THAT IS APPROVED MATERIALS.
THAT'S THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT TEXT.
AND NOW THEY'RE COMING BACK AND SAYING, HEY, WITH OUR CRAYON DRAWING, WITH OUR DLO DRAWING THAT WE ALREADY BROUGHT YOU, HERE'S HOW WE WANNA BUILD THE LEGOS.
GIVEN THAT SET OF APPROVED, UM, FINAL DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND THE, SORRY, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.
SO THAT PUD, UH, THAT'S A, ACCORDING TO REBECCA, RIGHT, MR BOX.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT ALLOWS UP TO A TOTAL OF 950,000 SQUARE FEET ON THE SITE.
THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWS HOW THAT IS CONFIGURED TODAY.
THEY HAVEN'T GONE UP TO THE 950,000 LIKE OVERALL CAP THAT THEY HAVE FOR THIS PUD.
UM, THIS IS COMING BEFORE YOU AS AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE THEY ARE ADDING NEW PIECES.
AND SO EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE REMAINING UNDER THAT 950,000 TOTALS SQUARE FEET, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE, FOR THIS NEW TOWER BECAUSE IT'S, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL TO SAY FROM THE COMMISSION STANDPOINT.
IT MEETS THESE REQUIREMENTS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT TEXT IN TERMS OF YES, INDEED, IT IS NOT ANY TALLER THAN SIX STORIES.
YES, INDEED THE ARCHITECTURE IS INTEGRATED WITH, UH, THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CAMPUS.
YES, THIS IS CITED APPROPRIATELY.
SO I MEAN, ALL ALL OF THAT IS WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
IT WOULD HAVE TO COME IN IN HERE, EVEN IF THE MINOR TEXT MODIFICATIONS WERE NOT NEEDED TO FACILITATE IT, WHICH IS WHY WE SAW THE HELIPAD.
SO, SO MAKE SURE I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS.
DO WE THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT RELATIVE TO THE, UH, WEST ELEVATION AND SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING PIECES AND SOME OF THE, UH, THE WAY THAT THE, THE MECHANICAL SITS ON THE TOP, THE SEVENTH STORY AND THE LOCATION, OR DO WE NOT, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PRESCRIBED IN THE CODE AND BASED ON STAFF'S EVALUATION THAT'S BEEN SATISFACTORILY MET, BUT FOR A COUPLE OF THESE SMALL CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED OUT? WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT THE CODE IS NOT THAT PRESCRIPTIVE.
SO YES, YOU CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT YOU AS A COMMISSION, OF COURSE STAFF HAS THEIR VALUATION, THEIR RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT THE COMMISSION IS ULTIMATELY THE DECISION MAKER IN THIS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO IN THE SERVICE OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION MEETS THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARD IN YOUR TEXT, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, COORDINATE FACADE COLORS AND MATERIALS ON AN ON INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS, YOU CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS COMMISSION TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE YOU, YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S MEETING THAT TEXT OR THAT WHY, WHICH IS WITH, OR THAT WITH SOME GUIDANCE TO STAFF, STAFF WITH THE APPLICANT TO GET TO THEIR BUILDING PERMITS, UH, UH, STAGE, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE NUMBER ONE ON THE A FTP IS HEY, WORK WITH STAFF TO REDUCE, TO MINIMIZE THE PERCEIVED MASSING BECAUSE THAT BRINGS IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.
UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN IS NUMBER THREE.
THAT'S MS. HARDER'S, ONE OF HER ITEMS, OF COURSE, NUMBER ONE WITH MR.
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CHINNOCK WAS THE FIRST ONE TO BRING THAT UP, BUT HE'S NOT THE ONLY, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S REALLY MORE OF AN ART THAN A SCIENCE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU GET TOO PRESCRIPTIVE, THEN THEY'RE GONNA GO BACK AND THEY'RE GONNA FIND SOME PRACTICAL, YOU KNOW, LIMITATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, TREAT X IS PRESCRIBED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION FELT, MET THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.AND THEN, WELL, TREE X HAS BLIGHT AND YOU CAN'T GET IT, AND SO THEN WHAT DO WE DO? YOU KNOW? SO IT'S, IT'S MORE ART THAN SCIENCE.
I THINK, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHERE THIS ENDS UP, BUT I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M, I'M GETTING THIS.
I, FROM THE, THE PARKING STUFF, THE TREE STUFF, I'M ON BOARD.
I THINK THE APPLICANT'S ON BOARD, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE ROOF THERE.
THERE'S, I DON'T, AND THAT'S THE, THAT PART THAT I THINK THAT'S A STICKING PART FOR ME THAT I FEEL LIKE LEAVING IT UP TO STAFF, I, I THINK WE NEED TO FIX NUMBER TWO IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, IF WE'RE GONNA PROCEED FORWARD MAYBE.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ELSE, AND THIS IS SO I CAN EVALUATE IT AND MAYBE WE WAIT TILL DAN GOES, BUT I WANT TO HEAR WHAT TYPE OF, UH, CONDITIONS THAT THE REST OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE SO WE CAN HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THAT POINT.
UH, YEAH, A LOT OF MY COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP.
I HAD, UH, THE SAME CONCERN THAT JASON DID THAT WE WILL NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN AFTER SAYING WORK WITH STAFF ON THOSE, UM, THOSE ISSUES.
I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S CONDITIONS AS WELL.
UM, IN TERMS OF HOW PRESCRIPTIVE WE WOULD BE, IT'D BE MY THOUGHT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, CAN PROVIDE OUR SUGGESTIONS TO GIVE AN IDEA FOR STAFF.
I THINK THAT THEY, THAT THEY CAN, UM, KIND OF TELL, YOU KNOW, WHETHER BETWEEN THE GREEN ROOF, BETWEEN A SCULPTURE, THE ROCKS THAT WERE MENTIONED, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, FOR ME THE ROCKS WOULD BE THE, UH, LEAST ACCEPTABLE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT DOES COME DOWN WHEN YOU SAY AN ART VERSUS A SCIENCE TO TAKING IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE'RE NOT DESIGNING IT FROM THE GROUND UP.
I MEAN, SO IF I WAS GONNA BE MORE SPECIFIC, I THINK THE PENTHOUSE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF REPEAT THAT ANGLED ROOFING, THOSE LINES, I THINK, UM, THAT I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE REMOVING, UH, THE GREEN WORDING IF IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT HAS CAUSED HEALTH RISKS OR ADVERSE EFFECTS.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT PUTS MORE ONUS, UH, ON YOUR GROUP AND ON STAFFING TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE.
BECAUSE FOR ME, YOU KNOW, ROCKS, WHEN ROCKS ON THE ROOF ISN'T REALLY ANYTHING AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, IT ISN'T ANYTHING THAT ADDS AN ELEMENT OF INTEREST.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING MORE THERE.
UH, NOT AN ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, I, I AM NOT GONNA COME UP WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
AND SO FOR ME, IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO SAY WORK WITH STAFF.
UM, BUT I DO ALSO ECHO JASON'S CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET TO SEE IT AGAIN.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, ANY WAY TO GO BACK AND SAY, WELL, I ACTUALLY DIDN'T LIKE THAT.
BUT FOR ME, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY OUR ROLE, IT'S JUST THAT, UM, THAT WE KIND OF PUT FORWARD OUR, OUR OPINION AND STAMP ON IT.
I, I THINK IT WILL BE NO SURPRISE TO THE COMMISSION.
I LIKE RULES, I LIKE STANDARDS, I LIKE, UM, TO ME THAT THAT GIVES US A WAY, IT TELLS US HOW TO INTEGRATE, HOW TO WORK WITH THE WORLD.
AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT ZONING TEXT, WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN AND WHEN WE CAN'T BUILD, WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE LOT NEXT DOOR AND WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED.
WE KNOW HOW MANY STORIES OUR NEIGHBOR CAN BUILD AND NOT.
UM, AND IT, IT SAYS WHAT CAN BE WHERE THE PLANNING, PART OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION COMES IN IS SETTING THE STAGE FOR WHAT THE FUTURE IS.
AND THAT'S THE QUASI LEGISLATIVE ROLE THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
CITY COUNCIL, THEY'RE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.
THEY ULTIMATELY SET THE RULES.
WE ADMINISTRATIVELY SUPPORT THAT.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, ZONING CODE, AND I'M GOING TO COUPLE THAT WITH PUDS, THAT'S WHERE WE GET TO APPLY STANDARDS.
SO FOR ME, THAT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AS A ZONING CODE TELLS PEOPLE WHAT WILL AND WON'T BE THERE.
AND IF I WANTED TO, IF I PURCHASED MY PROPERTY AND ENVISIONED DUBLIN DIDN'T
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CHANGE ANY OF MY PARTICULAR ABILITY TO BUILD ON MY PROPERTY, AND SOMEONE SAID I COULDN'T BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT, I WOULD HAVE, I WOULD STRUGGLE WITH THAT.AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT, UH, DEVELOPMENT TEXT, I'M LOOKING AT WHAT CAN BE, UH, MR. BOGGS MENTIONED THAT WE ARE NOT SO GRANULAR.
IMAGINE IF EVERY TIME, UM, IMAGINE WHAT OUR MEETINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE IF ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENT TEXTS THAT YOU HAVE TO USE THIS BRAND OF THIS BRICK AND THEN THEY DISCONTINUE IT, OR THIS BRAND OF THIS WINDOW OR THIS PANE OR THIS SIZE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO RULES ONLY TAKE YOU SO FAR.
AND THEN THERE HAS TO BE US, THERE HAS TO BE BRAINS THAT ALLOW US TO LOOK AT WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT SAYS AND MEASURE WHAT IS BEING ASKED AGAINST WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED.
STAFF DOES AN AMAZING JOB AT PROVIDING STAFF REPORTS THAT SAY, HEY, WE THINK THAT THIS COMES INTO COMPLIANCE BY YEP, CHECK, CHECK, CHECK, CHECK.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT THE VERY FIRST THING I DO IS I FLIP TO THE, THE, THE REPORT AND THEN I GO BACK AND READ FROM THE BEGINNING.
BECAUSE IF THAT WAS ALL THAT WAS NEEDED, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
AND SO THIS BODY AS AN APPOINTED BODY BY CITY COUNCIL, IS TO LOOK AT THE MATERIAL STAFF'S NOT PERFECT, CLOSE BUT NOT PERFECT, AND WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND PERSPECTIVES BECAUSE THAT'S VALUABLE TO THE APPLICATIONS.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS ONE, I HEARD MR. CHINNOCK, ONE OF HIS MAIN CONCERNS, NOT THE ONLY ONE, ONE OF HIS MAIN CONCERNS WAS THE MECHANICALS.
AND WELL, OUR APPROVAL OF AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS NUMBER ONE, TO MINIMIZE THE PERCEIVED MASSING OF THE MECHANICALS MS. HARDER, ONE OF HER, UM, CHALLENGES WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND I ADDED ON NUMBER THREE WAY FINDING AND MOBILITY, MAKING SURE THAT YOU CAN NAVIGATE THROUGH, WHICH I THINK ARE VALID EXTENSIONS OF, UH, ENSURING THAT THE SPIRIT OF THAT PUD IS MET IN THE APPLICATION OF THE LEGO BLOCKS.
SO FOR ME, I SEE THAT THE, THE TEXT IS MET, THE ARCHITECTURE ABSOLUTELY BLENDS WITH EXISTING ARCHITECTURE.
THEY'VE DONE DIFFERENT THINGS TO BRING IT KIND OF UP TO CURRENT WITH THE WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS ARE DIFFERENT.
THE VERTICAL MASSING IS DIFFERENT, SO IT'S NOT A COPY PASTE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT OF BEING COMPLIMENTARY SIMILAR MATERIALS TO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
AND I'M NOT QUOTING THAT EXACTLY RIGHT.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THE GREEN ROOF, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT PARTICULAR CONDITION IS A COMMA LIMITED, NOT A PRESCRIBED SINGLE ITEM.
IT'S VALID THAT THEY'RE THE HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS SAYING, HEY, WE DON'T WANT DRIPPING ANYTHING.
OUR, OUR, UM, EXPERTS HAVE SAID, NOT A GOOD IDEA.
I DON'T WANNA BE IN AN OPERATING ROOM AND HAVE SLUDGE DRIPPING ON ME EITHER.
AND WHILE WE CAN SAY, AND I I WAS A LITTLE, UM, REACTIVE TO THE MAINTENANCE COMMENT BECAUSE THIS BODY DOESN'T CONSIDER, WE CONSIDER MAINTENANCE AS FAR AS MATERIALS, BUT MAINTENANCE IS TRANSLATES TO COST AND COST TRANSLATES TO SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY USUALLY ISN'T ASSOCIATED WITH.
BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE MAINTENANCE FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, IT'S THE INSPECTION THAT, HEY, I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOES NOT CAUSE ISSUES TO SOMEONE WHO IS LYING IN AN OPERATING BED UNDERNEATH THAT.
SO I, I'M LONGER THAN I TYPICALLY AM.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE TEXT MODIFICATION, THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I THINK WE NEED TO ADD A FEW THINGS IN THERE.
UM, MR. CHIN, I BELIEVE THAT YOUR, THE, THE PENTHOUSE WITH THE MECHANICAL, IF IT'S, AND IT'S ON RECORD SAYING MINIMIZE, MINIMIZE, MINIMIZE, THAT'S IN THE CONDITION.
BUT I THINK THAT WAS HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE COMMISSION ON THE, THE RECORD THIS EVENING, MS. HARDER.
I THINK THAT, UM, FROM WHAT I HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION, WAYFINDING AND MOBILITY ADDING TO CONDITION NUMBER THREE IS UH, I CAN COUNT TO FOUR.
THE ONLY ONES THAT I SEE THAT, UM, ARE LARGER ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS NOT, UM, ESSENTIALLY TAKEN A STRAW POLL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, ARE MATERIALS AND THE ARCHITECTURE, WHICH ARE PRETTY BIG ITEMS. SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO MR. WAIT, DID I LEAVE ONE OUT? WELL, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AS IT'S WRITTEN IS ACCOUNTING FOR ONLY REPLACEMENT OF TREES.
IT'S NOT A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT INCORPORATES
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THE NEW ADDITION INTO THE CAMPUS.AND I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN NOW.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE, RIGHT NOW, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS INCOMPLETE AND THAT IT'S JUST ADDRESSING REPLACEMENT AND NOT, UM, NEW LANDSCAPE THAT'S COMPLIMENTARY TO THE ARCHITECTURE.
SO I ADDED WAY FINDING MOBILITY WE NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL.
AND, AND I DID WANT TO, UH, IN THE FIRST ONE JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT IT SAID TO ENSURE THE ADDITIONS ARCHITECTURE IS COMPLIMENTARY TO THE EXISTING HOSPITAL, THAT'S A GENERAL STATEMENT, INCLUDING OPTIONS FOR THE PENTHOUSE.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S TALKING ABOUT ARCHITECTURE IN GENERAL AND HOW IT'S COMPLIMENTING THE EXISTING HOSPITAL.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT, SO THAT DIDN'T MEET THE, THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMISSION.
SO I WANNA OPEN THAT TOPIC BACK UP.
I THINK IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE PENTHOUSE IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
OH, IN THAT SAME VOICE, I THINK WE ALSO MENTIONED WHERE WOULD SAFETY AND CONNECTION TO IF SOMEONE IS WALKING TO KROGER'S OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT YEAH.
MOBILITY, THAT THAT'S KIND OF THING.
YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S IN THE SAME YEP.
AND, AND THEY WERE ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR TO THEIR LOT LINES.
SO THEY DON'T CONTROL GETTING INTO KROGER'S, IT ENDS AT THEIR PROPERTY LINE TO THAT.
UM, SO I WANNA LOOK BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, WE HAVE A CLARIFICATION THAT WE WANT TO ENSURE IS ON NUMBER ONE TO MEET THE, UH, MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE ENCLOSURE.
MR. CHINOOK, I'M GONNA ASK FOR YOUR INPUT MORE DETAILED ON THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.
WE HAVE THE NUMBER TWO I HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION, A, A POTENTIAL MODIFICATION TO THAT THAT WOULD BE GREEN ROOF TEXTURED ROOF MATERIAL ART OR SCULPTURE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HEARD FROM AT LEAST THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION.
SO THAT'S A POTENTIAL MODIFICATION TO NUMBER TWO.
NUMBER THREE, UH, WAY FINDING MEANDERING AND MOBILITY ALONG WITH, AND, AND I THINK I WANNA STAY AWAY FROM ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING BECAUSE THE, THE TEXT IS PRESCRIBED HOW MUCH LANDSCAPING THEY NEED, BUT IF THEY MOVE IT AROUND, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PLANNED, PROGRAMMED.
IS THAT CORRECT MR WAY? I IS THAT A QUESTION FOR STAFF? I MEAN, ARE THEY JUST REQUIRED TO REPLACE TREES REMOVED AND NOT ADD ANY ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE TO ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING HOSPITAL IN THE PUD? SO LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT X REQUIREMENTS FOR LANDSCAPING, THEY ARE MEETING THAT, THEY ARE MEETING THE CODE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD DEFER TO THE LANDSCAPE CODE.
UM, RIGHT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE REPLACEMENT TREES.
UM, SO THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY ARE MAKING ON THE SITE ARE ADDITIONAL, THEY'RE NOT CODE REQUIRED AND THEY'RE RESPONDING RIGHT TO PRETTY MUCH THE PARKING, UM, REVISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE ON SITE.
NOW, IF YOU WANT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO BE ADDED, FOR EXAMPLE, WEST OF THE THE BUILDING, YOU CAN NEGOTIATE THAT.
NO, BUT THIS BEING A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, IT'S A NEGOTIATED PROCESS.
IF YOU WANNA REQUEST SUCH AN ITEM, YOU COULD.
UM, SO LET'S ASK, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO ADDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE? AND IT SOUNDS LIKE SPECIFICALLY THE THE, THE REQUEST FOR CONSIDERATION WOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE? YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS I APPRECIATE THIS CONVERSATION A LOT.
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE POSITION YOU'RE ALL IN WITH THIS BEING KIND OF A TWEENER TYPE PROJECT, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT START WITH, SO I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
WOULD DEFINITELY LOVE, HOWEVER THIS ENDS UP TO BE MORE FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATIONS SO WE CAN MAKE SURE TO COME.
WE WANT SOMETHING THE COMMUNITY APPRECIATES.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S DISAPPOINTING TO THIS BODY WHEN WE'RE DONE.
SO I THINK I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AND HOWEVER WE END THIS, APPRECIATE THIS VERY MUCH AND WANT TO GET TO RECOMMENDATIONS AND THINGS THAT WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO GET TO THE WEST ELEVATION, I THINK WE'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT.
UNFORTUNATELY, I JUST WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AREA HAS, IT'S WHERE THE HELIPADS GONNA COME BACK TO, SO IT'S KIND OF, IT'S IN A TIGHT LITTLE AREA THERE TOO, SO I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
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BUT HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF TO SEE WHAT AREAS WE CAN TO BREAK UP THE FOUNDATIONS OR ANY OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS AT THE SAME TIME THAT DOES THAT RESPOND THAT THAT DOES FOR THIS STAGE.WE, WE MAY BRING YOU BACK UP HERE IN A MINUTE AND HAPPY TO COME BACK.
UH, SO AS, AS FAR AS WHAT WE'VE CONSIDERED THUS FAR, R THAT COVERS THE CURRENT RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS FROM STAFF, THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE PART OF NUMBER ONE ARE ARCHITECTURE AND MATERIALS.
SO WHAT I PROPOSE TO THE BODY IS THAT WE GO ONE BY ONE A, AGAIN, THIS IS WE, WE CAN REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER, UH, SO I'M ACTUALLY GONNA START, MR. ALEXANDER, WOULD YOU MIND STARTING ON, WELL, YOU WON'T LIKE THIS, THE CONSIDERATIONS
AND THIS IS NOT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
AND, AND THIS MY, IN MY OPINION, THIS BUILDING IS FAR BETTER THAN SOME OTHERS WE'VE LOOKED AT RECENTLY.
AND SO, UM, AND, AND, AND SO I JUST, I WOULD NOT CHANGE THIS, I WOULD NOT GET SPECIFIC.
I THINK WE'VE GIVEN THEM SUGGESTIONS.
THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH THE STAFF, BUT HERE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
AND SO I'M SORRY IF, IF I, MS. MULLINAX, IF I COULD PROPOSE, AND I'D LIKE THE BODY TO CONSIDER THIS AMENDING NUMBER ONE TO INCLUDE TWO WORDS AFTER, UH, SORRY, STRIKING HOSPITAL FOR CAMPUS AND ADDING A SUBSEQUENT.
AND SO IT WOULD READ, UH, THE APPLICANT CONTINUES TO WORK WITH STAFF TO ENSURE THE ARCHITECT, EXCUSE ME, THE ADDITIONS ARCHITECTURE IS COMPLIMENTARY TO THE EXISTING CAMPUS AND INCLUDES, SORRY, CHANGING THE MODIFIER THERE INCLUDES OPTIONS TO MINIMIZE THE PERCEIVED MASSING OF THE MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE ENCLOSURE.
SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, DOES THAT MEET THE SPIRIT OF THE BODY'S CONCERNS? I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE ARCHITECTS, BUT I THINK THAT, THAT IT'S NOT JUST MASSING, IT MAY BE MATERIALS TO THE MATERIALITY.
SO THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE I'M HAVING HERE IS TO BE, TO BE FRANK, IS THAT SOMEONE I THINK JASON MENTIONED EARLIER, LIKE WE, WHATEVER WE PUT IN HERE, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT AGAIN.
SO WE'RE GONNA PROVE THIS AND NOT SEE IT.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT ARCHITECTURE REVIEW.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PROVIDING ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
WE'RE PROVIDING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE COULD PUT ANY, AS MANY CAVEATS IN HERE AS WE WANT.
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE NOT SEEING THIS AGAIN, NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA SIT HERE UNLESS WE WANNA GET SKETCH PADS OUT AND START DRAWING, WHICH WE'RE NOT, THAT'S NOT ON OUR PUR.
SO I, I HAVE, I GUESS I WOULD CHALLENGE PUTTING ALL THESE CONDITIONS IN BECAUSE IT'S STILL, UNLESS MAYBE STRAW POLL, IF EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS LIKE THEY NEED TO SEE IT AGAIN BECAUSE WE'RE LEAVING A LOT TO, NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST STAFF OR THE APPLICANT TO ME, WE'RE JUST LEAVING A LOT TO INTERPRETATION FOR A BUILDING OF THIS SIZE.
AND THIS PROMINENCE IN THIS AREA IS, I HAVE A HARD TIME NOT SEEING IT AGAIN.
SO I'M GONNA DROP ALL THE COMMISSION.
I'M STILL CHALLENGED BY THE FACT THAT WE WON'T SEE IT AGAIN.
BUT I, UH, WOULD STICK WITH MY INITIAL COMMENT THAT, UH, I THINK REFLECTS WHAT GARY SAID AS WELL.
THAT UH, WE, WE'VE PUT ENOUGH ONUS ON STAFF TO UPDATE IT WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'VE SUGGESTED HERE.
AND I, I WOULD SUPPORT THE APPLICATION WITH THESE CONDITIONS.
MR. DESLER, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT AGAIN.
MR. WE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AGAIN, MS. HARDER.
WE HAVE FOR MR. BOGGS, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? UM, BEFORE I ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN TABLING, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE FOUR.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AGAIN? WELL, YOU KNOW, IT IS, I THINK THE COMMISSION'S PRACTICE TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY ARE
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CONSENTING TO THE TABLING OF THE APPLICATION.UM, I'VE NEVER VIEWED THAT AS A LEGAL NECESSITY.
UM, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE WANT THE VOTE JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD AND THE COMMISSION HAS RESPECTED THAT OPINION AS WELL.
SO, UH, YOU STILL HAVE THE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF YOU THAT YOU'VE HAD AND THE COMMISSION CAN VOTE TO TABLE THE VOTE COMMISSION HAS VOTE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE ACTION ON THIS ITEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEIVABLY THE COMMISSION COULD VOTE ON ONE BUT NOT THE OTHER.
WELL, ON, ON THE, YEAH, ON THE MINOR TEXT MODIFICATIONS AND AT LEAST GET THOSE OFF THE TABLE OUT OF THE WAY AND TABLE JUST THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND THEN JUST, UH, THIS BODY MAY HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS BEFORE.
IT'S THE SAME APPLICATION THAT COMES BACK AGAIN, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL FEES TO THE APPLICANT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, DO WE CHARGE A TABLING FEE? NO.
IF THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD AND IT'S APPROVED, THEN THEY CONTINUE ON THROUGH THE BUILDING PROCESS.
IF THE APPLICANT ASKS THE, THE COMMISSION TO TABLE AND, UH, SORRY, IF THE APPLICANT, UM, REQUESTS THAT A VOTE BE TAKEN AND IT IS A NEGATIVE VOTE OR A FAILURE TO APPROVE MM-HMM
THEN IF THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, IT'S A NEW APPLICATION WITH A NEW FEE.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, IT, THERE WOULD BE THE APPEAL PROCESS OF COURSE, BUT OH, OH YEAH.
I MEAN THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF AN APPELLATE PROCESS.
THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION TO, UM, FILE A NEW APPLICATION WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT ADDRESSES WHATEVER THEY HEARD TONIGHT AND TRY TO TRY AGAIN HERE.
SO I'D LIKE TO LOOK TO THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF THERE IS A REQUEST TO MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT IF THERE IS A REQUEST TO TABLE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS AGAIN.
YEAH, I MEAN, AGAIN, OHIO HEALTH'S BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR 20 PLUS YEARS.
I'VE KNOWN PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN, THERE'S OHIO HEALTH STAFF MEMBERS WHO'VE BEEN ON PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'VE KNOWN A LOT OF PEOPLE, OUR INTENT IS NOT TO TRY AND PUSH ANYBODY'S BUTTONS OR MAKE THIS HARDER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO I THINK ULTIMATELY IF FOR OF THE MEMBERS FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO SEE IT AGAIN AND THEY'RE GONNA VOTE NO AND WE WANT TO TABLE IT, I'M AMENABLE TO THAT.
I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MORE DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AT THE END OF THE DAY.
BECAUSE THE WAY THE TEXT IS WRITTEN, I THINK WE'VE HIT THE SPIRIT OF THAT EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS RIGHT? SO I WANNA MAKE SURE IF WE'RE GONNA TABLE THIS, THAT WE CAN WORK WITH OUR TEAM AND STAFF TO GET IT RIGHT NEXT TIME.
I'VE SEEN THIS PROCESS IN DUBLIN, TAKE SIX MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS, WHATEVER.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT HOPEFULLY, BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS TO BE, WE LEARN TOGETHER, WE SOLVE IT, AND WE COME BACK WITH A SOLUTION THAT I THINK EVERYBODY'S PROUD OF BECAUSE THIS IS, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A PROMINENT BUILDING IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AT SOME POINT AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT SIGNS FOR THIS BUILDING.
AND IF I LEAVE YOU ALL WITH A BAD TASTE IN YOUR MOUTH ON WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE IS AND I COME BACK TO ASK THE NEXT QUESTION, WE DON'T HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON IN THAT PROCESS EITHER.
SO WE WANNA BE A GOOD COMMUNITY MEMBER, WE WANNA PROVIDE A PRODUCT THAT YOU GUYS ARE PROUD OF JUST LIKE WE ARE.
SO I WOULD ABSOLUTELY AGREE TO TABLE THIS AS LONG AS WE CAN GET, I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THE, THE MARKERS OUT IN THE TRACE AND OVERLAY, BUT WHAT DIRECTION DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE IT WITH STAFF? ARE THERE CERTAIN THINGS? I MEAN, SHORT OF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WANT A SIGNATURE BUILDING THAT'S DIFFERENT WHILE THE TEXT READS MEET AND MATCH.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE WAY THE TEXT WAS WRITTEN ORIGINALLY WAS SORT OF PRESCRIPTIVE IS WHAT THE, IT WANTED THIS SIX STORY TOWER TO BE AND IT KNEW IT WAS COMING AND IT ALLOWED FOR A LOT OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING, BUT HOW CAN WE DO 'EM BETTER? SO I THINK THAT'S MY POSITION.
UH, REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK SO FAR, BUT WHICH IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO WORK WITH STAFF TO GET IT HERE NEXT MONTH OR THE MONTH FOLLOWING IN AN EFFICIENT WAY, WE'D LOVE TO DO THAT.
ALRIGHT, I PROPOSED TO THE COMMISSION.
UH, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
THE FIRST ONE, IT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAD CONCERNS WITH.
PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I SPOKE OUT OF TURN.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A VOTE ON
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THE TEXT MODIFICATION WITH THE TWO TE UH, SORRY, APPROVAL OF THE, THE TEXT MODIFICATION, THOSE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA.NOW I WOULD LIKE TO PROVO PROPOSE ON THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, NOT SAYING THAT THESE WON'T BE BROKEN UP INTO LIKE ONE, GO INTO THREE, BUT THE SUPER HIGH LEVEL CRAYONS ON PAPER.
ARE THERE ANY, UM, SUPER HIGH LEVEL ITEMS THAT ARE NOT COVERED IN THE FOUR THAT ARE CURRENTLY DISPLAYED? FOR INSTANCE, NUMBER ONE IS ARCHITECTURE.
NUMBER TWO IS GREEN ROOF, THAT KIND OF SPIRIT OF THAT.
NUMBER FOUR, ENGINEERING CONCERNS.
ARE THERE ANY CRAYON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ENCOMPASSED BY THOSE FOUR? OKAY, SO THEN WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE IS WE BREAK NUMBER ONE INTO ARCHITECTURE, INTO DESIGN AND INTO THE PENTHOUSE ENCLOSURE.
SO DESIGN INCLUDES MATERIALS, BY THE WAY, ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? THIS IS MOSTLY FOR SAKE OF CONVERSATION AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT, HEY, IF WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING, WE CAN PUT 'EM BACK INTO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND HAVING BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE IS DON'T DESIGN IT, SAY WHAT YOUR ISSUES ARE.
AND, BUT DON'T DESIGN IT BECAUSE YES, WE, WE WILL GET THERE
OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GO CRAYONS AND THEN DU BLOWS IN A LITTLE BIT OF LEGOS, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GO DOWN TO DESIGN.
UH, I'M NOT SAYING NO COMMISSION MEMBER WILL, UH, NOT THAT YOU'RE DISALLOWED, YOU GUYS HAVE EQUAL AUTHORITY TO ME.
OKAY, SO THEN ON NUMBER TWO, I THINK WE CAN, OH, SORRY.
NUMBER TWO, WE KEEP JUST THE SUBSTANCE OF THE GREEN ROOF AND WHETHER THAT'S A GREEN ROOF OR ART OR ANYTHING ELSE, WE KEEP IT BY ITSELF.
NUMBER THREE, I PROPOSE THAT WE BLOW OUT INTO TWO, THE LANDSCAPING FOR THE CALIPER PER CALIPER AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AS A WHOLE, WHICH INCLUDES WAY FINDING MOBILITY.
AND THEN NUMBER FOUR, WE KEEP AS A WHOLE, ANY OBJECTIONS FOR THE CRAYONS? OKAY, SO THEN I'D LIKE TO GO JUST ITEM BY ITEM IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION.
UH, LET'S START WITH ARCHITECTURE.
SO CAN I JUST SAY THAT WE DO HAVE ON RECORD OUR COMMENTS FROM OUR OPENING AGREED REMARKS? SO I WOULD WANT TO LIKE, AT LEAST THAT'S A STARTING POINT, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T REPEAT OURSELVES OR DO WE HAVE TO REPEAT OURSELVES? I, I I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH OF A DIFFERENCE.
WE WANNA GIVE CLEAR DIRECTION TO THE APPLICANT.
THEY HEARD SEVEN VOICES, WE NEEDED TO DISTILL THAT INTO THE BODY.
SO, UH, LET'S START WITH ARCHITECTURE.
AND AGAIN, I ECHO MR. ALEXANDER'S, UM, CALL OUT TO NOT DESIGN, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO CALL OUT THE ITEMS THAT WE DO NOT THINK EITHER MEET THE CODE OR THAT WE ARE REQUESTING TO BE LOOKED AT DIFFERENTLY.
WITH THAT, I THINK MR. CHINO, CAN I START WITH YOU? UH, FIRST APPLICANT, I APOLOGIZE.
THAT WASN'T MY, MY SKETCH PAPER EXAMPLE WAS A LITTLE EXTREME.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT SKETCH PA.
I I I DO THINK OVERALL THE, IT IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY GOING DOWN THE RIGHT PATH.
I I I, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT TRYING TO RELATE TO THE BUILDING, UH, THE EXISTING BUILDING.
I JUST THINK, AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A LOT, BUT A LITTLE MORE ARTICULATION, BREAKING UP THE, UM, THE ELEVATIONS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
UM, I'M REALLY NOT SAYING ANYTHING WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH MATERIALS OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER WAY TO JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THESE ARE GONNA BE VERY, VERY, VERY PROMINENT FACADES.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THOSE PROPERLY.
AND REGARDING SPECIFIC FEEDBACK ON THE, ON, ON THE, UH, MECHANICAL UNITS, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF METAL.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT THE METAL SIDING.
UM, AND I THINK SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANGLES RAISING THE PARAPET USING ANOTHER, I THINK YOU MENTIONED USING ANOTHER MATERIAL, ANOTHER COLOR.
UM, IT'S JUST THEY, THEY SEEM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS, IT'S THE FIRST THING YOU SEE.
AND I JUST WOULD HATE FOR THIS,
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YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THIS BUILDING OF HEIGHT, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, PROMINENCE TO JUST THAT BE A GLARING, UM, PIECE OF IT.I DON'T, AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT DESIGNING SOME, I COULD TELL YOU WHAT EXACTLY I DO, BUT I JUST THINK THE REDUCTION OF THAT, OR ELIMINATION OF THAT, ESPECIALLY ON THE PRELIMINARY ELEVATIONS FOR IN MY MIND, WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO MAKE ME FEEL A LOT BETTER ABOUT THE OVERALL LOOK OF THE, UH, OF THE SPECIFIC TO THE ARCHITECTURE.
THANK YOU MS. HARDER, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS TIME AND US, UH, SPEAKING ABOUT THIS AND SO FORTH.
I GUESS AT THIS POINT I AM IN FAVOR OF HOW YOU HAVE IT LAID OUT THAT IT LOOKS FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, THE SAME.
IF YOU'RE BRINGING IN A NEW ELEMENT AT THE TOP, MAYBE TRICKLING SOMETHING DOWN THAT KIND OF REPRESENTS IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OF THAT SORT.
I THINK THAT'S FINE, BUT AGAIN, SOME OPTIONS OF BREAKING IT UP A BIT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, MIGHT, MIGHT HIT YOU IN THAT DIRECTION.
BUT I WOULD AGREE, UH, WHAT MR. CHINNOCK SAID, UH, ABOUT THE ELEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THOSE ARE THINGS TO LOOK AT.
AND SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME PARTS OF, OF ME, UH, IS ALSO THINKING OF OUR LIBRARY HERE.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT THEY'VE BROUGHT FROM THE TOP TO THE BOTTOM.
THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AS WELL TOO.
UM, WE, YOU, YOU HEARD ALL MY ORIGINAL COMMENTS AND MM-HMM
AND THEY'RE GENERALLY LIKE THAT.
IT'S, UM, AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY THE PENTHOUSE, BUT IT'S THE, MAYBE IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROPORTION OF THE DIFFERENT COLOR MATERIAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAY, MAY, AND MR. ALEXANDER SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, LOOKING AT SOME CUES FROM EXISTING BEDS ABOUT TYING THINGS IN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A, BASICALLY YOU'VE GOT A TWO STORY D AND T AND WITH BEDS ON TOP OF IT.
MAYBE THERE, IS THERE A WAY TO USE THAT AS A WAY TO START TO ARTICULATE THAT BESIDE, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO DESIGN, BUT THERE COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, WHICH IS TO ME, THE, THE CORNER THAT'S GONNA BE VERY PROMINENT OF, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU WRAP THE MATERIAL AROUND THAT TO TIE THINGS IN? YOU KNOW, IN OTHER DISTRICTS WE HAVE, IN OTHER CODES, THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS ABOUT BLANK WALL SURFACE.
SO CAN WE MINIMIZE SOME OF THE, THE SURFACES THAT AREN'T ARTICULATED BY WINDOWS, UM, DIFFERENTLY.
UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ON A, ON A SIX STORY BUILDING LIKE THIS THAT, YOU KNOW HOW IT MEETS THE GROUND, AND MAYBE THAT'S BACK TO THE, THE PLIN THING, BUT LANDSCAPE ALSO, AND I, I TOTALLY GET THE HELIPADS THERE, SO YOU GOTTA FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD JUST REALLY HELP TO KIND OF START TO TIE THE BUILDING INTO THE CAMPUS, TO THE SITE.
AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S, I, AGAIN, WITHOUT BEING REALLY DETAILED, THAT THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BED FLOORS AND THE, AND THE DTI THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO START TO BREAK IT UP.
ALSO, THE, THE FAMILY WAITING AREAS THAT STRIP THAT COMES DOWN, MAYBE THAT COULD BE WIDER OR SOMETHING JUST TO, AND AGAIN, GIVE AND, I DON'T KNOW, GIVE THE FAMILY SOME MORE SPACE AND, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL VIEW LOOKING OUT TO THE WEST.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SOME THINGS LIKE THAT TO BREAK UP THE FACADE AND THE PENTHOUSE.
THAT'S, AND I, I, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT WHAT JAMIE SAID, BUT ANGLES, MAYBE SOME TEXTURE ON THE METAL PANEL.
I, AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA DESIGN IT A CLARIFICATION.
SO FAR WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MINIMIZING, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, TALKED ABOUT COMPLEMENTING.
ARE WE LOOKING TO MINIMIZE THE PENTHOUSE OR ARE WE LOOKING TO MASK THE PENTHOUSE OR BOTH ARCHITECTURE? I'D LOVE TO ELIMINATE IT, BUT
UM, IN MY OPINION, THERE COULD, THERE COULD BE THE, USE THE WORD INTEGRATE TO BETTER.
RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE A BOX SITTING ON A BOX.
SO HOW COULD YOU START TO THINK ABOUT MATERIALS THAT TIE TOGETHER AND, OKAY.
WELL, VERY FEW COMMENTS, BUT I, I ACTUALLY THINK THE PERCEPTION OF THIS WOULD WOULD'VE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY HAD YOU HAD THE ALUMINUM ANODIZED SURFACES HIGHLIGHTED.
AND IF YOU, AND, AND ON THE EMERGENCY ROOM SIDE, IF YOU HAD THAT ENTRY AND ALL THE METAL THERE, BECAUSE THEN THAT, THAT STRIP PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WE WANNA BREAK THE BUILDING UP.
WELL, YOU REALLY HAVE, AND IT BECOMES MORE APPARENT WITH THAT MATERIAL.
AND THEN HOW THAT TIES INTO THE CANOPIES AT THE EMERGENCY ROOM.
AND I THINK IF YOU WOULD FINISH UP THE, THE RENDERING, AND I REALIZE THESE THINGS TAKE SOME TIME, BUT TO SHOW THE SIDEWALK AND THE LANDSCAPE, PARTICULARLY ON THAT, ON THAT WEST ELEVATION, HOW THAT TURNS THE CORNER PERCEPTION OF THIS BUILDING CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY AND ADDRESSES SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN COMMENTED.
MY, MY, YOU KNOW, I, I SHARED COMMENTS ABOUT THE PENTHOUSE, IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
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ALL IN ALL, I, I DO THINK IT'S VERY DEFERENTIAL.UM, YOU COULD PUNCH IT UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I, I REALLY DO THINK IT MEETS THE SPIRIT OF WHAT OUR TEXT SAYS.
I'M NOT GONNA DUPLICATE ANY EFFORTS HERE.
I'M GOING AGREE WITH WHAT GARY KIM AND, UH, JAMIE SAID.
SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THANKS MR. GARBIN.
UM, UH, AS YOU KNOW, I'VE KIND OF DEFERRED TO YOU AND STAFF TO SOLVE THESE ISSUES.
I THINK I MENTIONED MAYBE USING THE PENTHOUSE AS AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THAT PROMINENT POSITION TO REPEAT SOME OF THE STYLING FROM THE MAIN BUILDING.
UM, AND, UH, AND, AND YEAH, JUST ON THE, ON THE ROOF, I THINK THAT'S JUST WHAT WE NEED TO SEE SOME, SOME IDEAS AND KIND OF GO FROM THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANNA DRAG THE PROCESS OUT, BUT THE FACT THAT THE GREEN ROOF ISN'T REALLY VIABLE, UM, APPARENTLY KIND OF THROWS A WRENCH IN, IN THE IDEA OF BEAUTIFYING IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'D WANT TO SEE IN THE NEXT MEETING.
SO I ACTUALLY, BASED ON THE COMMENTS, I AM GOING TO TAKE NUMBER ONE AND TWO, UNLESS THERE'S OBJECTIONS RATHER THAN ONE INTO THREE.
AND CORRECT ME IF I MISSED ANYTHING.
BUT, UM, AND WE, WE'LL WORK AND GIVE YOU TIME TO CRAFT, BUT IN ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN AND MATERIALS, 'CAUSE WE GROUP THOSE TOGETHER BECAUSE THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING TO ADD ARTICULATION OR INTERESTING DESIGN ELEMENTS AND AVOID BLANK WALLS.
DOES THAT SUM UP KIND OF THE SPIRIT OF THE DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURE? OKAY.
AND THEN PENTHOUSE, THE SECOND ITEM THAT WE'RE BLOWING NUMBER ONE INTO IS TO, UH, MINIMIZE OR INTEGRATE THE PENTHOUSE AND LOOK FOR, UH, REDUCTION IN SIZE OR ALTERATION OF MATERIAL AND COLOR TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
AND AGAIN, WE HAVE THIS ON THE RECORD YOU CAN REVIEW, BUT WE'LL TRY TO GET IT SUMMED UP IN THE CONDITIONS.
SO, UH, FOR GREEN ROOF, BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD THIS ONE PRETTY MUCH, UH, A FEW TIMES FROM THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, WHAT I HEARD IS WE ARE LOOKING TO AMEND THAT TO THE, THE LIST THAT WE HAVE, ADD ART, UH, WHERE THE, OR SCULPTURE, ART OR SCULPTURE.
UH, I, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH CONTINUES TO WORK WITH STAFF.
LEAVES IT OPEN-ENDED MS. HARDER.
UM, THE REASON WHY I WAS MENTIONING ROCK, WHEN YOU WALK THE AREA, THERE'S SO MANY ROCKS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA THAT CAN, UH, BRINGING IT UP.
AND IT'S NOT INDIVIDUAL ROCKS, IT'S MORE LIKE, LIKE THE STREAM, THE WET, UH, THE DRY BEDS AND SO FORTH OF THAT SORT.
AND DIFFERENT COLORS THAT ARE USED WITHIN SO OTHER ELEMENTS OR BRINGING, USING ELEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING TO, YEP.
MR. WE CAN I JUST CLARIFY, MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP TEXTURED ROOF MATERIAL.
WHAT WAS THE INTENT OF THOSE? THAT COULD MEAN A LOT OF THINGS AND THAT COULD MEAN ROCK, RIGHT? THAT ARE BALLAST AS IT'S CALLED THAT THEY PUT UP IN JUST YEAH.
AND IT'S PURPOSEFULLY MEANT TO BE VERY GENERALIZED, SO IT'S NOT GETTING TOO SPECIFIC AND YEP.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE ARCHITECTURE, WE HAVE THE PENTHOUSE, WE HAVE THE GREEN ROOF.
WE HAVE THE TREE REPLACEMENT THAT IS CALLED OUT AS IT IS.
AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SPEC WITH SPECIFIC ADDRESSING OF THE WEST ELEVATION.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED AN ADDITIONAL, UM, HOLD ON A SEC.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT KATHY BROUGHT UP RELATIVE TO THE LANDSCAPING WAS I THINK YOU USED THE WORD MOBILITY AND WAY, WAY FINDING.
SO, UM, BEFORE WE HAVE STAFF KIND OF, UM, CREATE SOME METHOD OUT OF OUR MADNESS, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT UP TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY CLARIFICATION THAT'S SOUGHT BASED ON THIS LAST DISCUSSION.
IF YOU UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHAT THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING FOR ON THIS NEXT, UM, VISIT.
NO, I, I, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME INITIAL, I GUESS DIFFERENCES OPINION BECAUSE WE KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE FREEWAY.
THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT GREEN ROOF AT OHIO STATE'S BUILDING.
IT'S A FIVE STORY BUILDING WITH A BIG METAL SCREEN.
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SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS HERE, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE NEED TO, AS WE CONSIDER WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, TAKE ALL, WE'RE GONNA ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CONTEXT YEAH.SO I JUST, WE HAVEN'T TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ANY OF THAT TODAY, SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION SOME OF THAT BECAUSE I REALLY, I DO APPRECIATE, AND I THINK WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'RE GONNA WANNA TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT PENTHOUSE AND CAN WE DO IT DIFFERENTLY? HOW WE DO IT DIFFERENTLY WILL PROBABLY NOT BE ASKING FOR SIGNS TO BE APPROVED AT THAT POINT.
BUT WHAT WOULD SIGNS LOOK LIKE ON THERE AND DOES THAT HELP OR HURT AT THE SAME TIME? SO WE MAY HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE WORK WITH STAFF TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA LEAD US TO THAT WORKED ON A TOTALLY REMOVE OR CHANGE THE PENTHOUSE BECAUSE IT'S A VERY TYPICAL PIECE OF HOSPITAL ROOF ON A SIX STORY BUILDING THAT REALLY IS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE TEXT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
UM, THESE, THIS FEEDBACK HAS BEEN FABULOUS.
SO I WOULDN'T, AND TO CLARIFY ON THE PENTHOUSE, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR REMOVAL, WE'RE ASKING FOR MINI MINIMIZATION FOR INTEGRATION OR FOR MASKING OR ESSENTIALLY HIDING A BIG PIECE OF MECHANICAL THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS IS MECHANICAL.
WHETHER THAT'S A MATERIAL CHANGE OR MASKING OR UP COURSE.
IF WE CAN MINIMIZE IT, THAT'S THE FIRST REQUEST.
AND THEN ON THE, THE GREEN ROOF, WE UNDERSTAND, WE HEAR YOU.
WE WANNA KEEP IT IN THERE BECAUSE THIS ALSO PUBLIC RECORD, WE HAVE IT FOR OTHER FACILITIES THAT MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS TO KEEP SOME SANITARY REQUIREMENTS THAT A HOSPITAL WOULD HAVE.
MR. ALEXANDER, I, I THINK THAT LANGUAGE GIVES YOU ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY TO NOT AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE.
I'M NOT THE LANGUAGE, NOT BRING GRASS AND TREES BACK ON THAT SURFACE.
I THINK THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE ROOF, I THINK THE LA I THINK THE LANGUAGE OF YOU GUYS HAVE JUST DISCUSSED IT.
I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TABLING, I'M NOT SURE OTHER THAN TAKING THE RECORD, THE NOTES OF THE RECORD, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING FUTURE CONDITIONS BECAUSE HOPEFULLY WHEN WE COME BACK THERE ARE NO CONDITIONS.
'CAUSE WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF TO MEET IT.
SO I THINK THE WORDSMITHING THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING IS HELPFUL TO GIVE CLARITY, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
MS. MULLINAX, I'M GONNA HAND YOU MY, MY CHICKEN SCRATCH HERE.
WELL, AND SORRY, UH, JUST FOR PUBLIC, THAT DISCUSSION ESSENTIALLY WE WERE GONNA TRANSFER NOTES.
WE'LL WAIT TO DO THAT AFTERWARDS.
WE DO HAVE IT ON THE PUBLIC RECORD, BUT UM, WE WANNA CAPTURE THAT SO THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE NEXT TIME WITH THAT, UH, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD COME UP, UH, YOU HAVE HEARD A REQUEST FROM THE COMMISSION TO SEE THIS AGAIN, AND THE NATURAL WAY FOR US TO SEE THAT AGAIN WOULD BE FOR YOU TO REQUEST A TABLE TO TAKE TIME TO TAKE THESE ITEMS INTO CONSIDERATION AND COME BACK BEFORE US.
YES, WE WOULD REQUEST A TABLE RATHER THAN TAKE A VOTE TONIGHT.
WE HAVE A REQUEST TO TABLE FROM THE APPLICANT.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO TABLE THE APPLICATION
UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
UM, I, I KNOW THAT YOU CARE ABOUT, UH, THE WAY THAT YOUR PARTICULAR PROJECT INTEGRATES INTO THE CITY OF DUBLIN AS MUCH AS WE DO.
AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR PARTNERSHIP AS WE EVOLVE THIS PROCESS EVEN FURTHER.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THE NEXT TIME WE'RE BACK TOGETHER.
UH, COMMUNICATIONS BASIM, DO WE HAVE COMMUNICATIONS FOR THIS EVENING? WE DO NOT TONIGHT.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, UH, MR. WE MEETING ADJOURNED
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ALL.