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[CALL TO ORDER]
EVENING EVERYONE.UH, I WILL CALL THE, THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL BOARD MEETING TO ORDER.
GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD ME MEETING BEING HELD AT 5 5 5 PERIMETER DRIVE.
THE MEETING CAN ALSO BE PRO ACCESSED VIA THE LIVE STREAM VIDEO RECORDED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THESE CASES.
THE MEETING PROCEDURE FOR EACH CASE THIS EVENING WILL BEGIN WITH A STAFF PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION IF DESIRED.
THE APPLICANT MAY PRESENT FIRST.
THE BOARD WILL THEN ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE.
ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE COMMENTS WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM.
FOR EACH APPLICATION, PLEASE ENSURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON.
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
AND AS WE, BEFORE WE START, WE ALWAYS STAND FOR THE PLEDGE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR JAMIE.
COULD YOU CALL THE RULE MS. COOPER? YES.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
MOVE TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE A RB MEETING MINUTES FROM JUNE 25 20.IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, JAMIE.
CAN IS THAT MS. PAT MCDANIEL? DID YOU YES.
DEAR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION AND MODIFICATIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO ANY SITE IN THE AREA SUBJECT TO ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW UNDER THE PROVISION OF THE ZONING CODE SECTION 1 53 0.170.
THE BOARD ALSO HAS DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY ON THESE CASES.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THESE CASES THIS EVENING WILL BE NEED, WILL NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
SO ANYBODY UH, ANYONE WANTS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD THIS EVENING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? YES.
UM, SO THE FIRST CASE IS CASE NUMBER 25 0 5 9 MI MINOR PROJECT REVIEW, BOHO 72 AWNING AND MI MINOR PROJECT.
AND I WILL NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF.
SO I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO, TO FINISH UP MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, LITTLE BIT OF A POINT OF ORDER.
OUR APPLICANT IS NOT YET HERE, SO THAT MIGHT BE A, UM, FACTOR TO DELAY THIS.
YEAH, LET'S DO IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
SO FIRST LET'S, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADAPT THE, THE, UH, MEETING AGENDA FOR THE EVENING.
UH, AND WE WILL DO CASE, UH, 2 5 0 5 9 MPR AT THE END.
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? SECOND WAIT.
BEFORE YOU CALL THE ROLL, I HAVE A DISCUSSION QUESTION.
IS THE APPLICANT FOR THE SECOND CASE HERE? YES.
[ Case #25-062MPR]
NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE SECOND CASE.UH, CASE NUMBER 25 0 6 2 NPR, UH, 1 0 9 SOUTH HIGH STREET MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.
THE REQUEST IS FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW FOR A ROOF MATERIAL CHANGE ON A LANDMARK BUILDING.
THE ZERO POINT 23 ACRE SITE IS ZONE HISTORIC DISTRICT SOUTH AND IS LOCATED AT 1 0 9 SOUTH HIGH STREET.
UH, THE SITE AT 1 0 9 SOUTH HIGH STREET IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORICAL SOUTH ZONING DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED ROOFING MATERIAL CHANGE APPLIES TO BOTH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.
THE BLACK HORSE TAVERN WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1842.
THE LEFTMOST IMAGE SHOWS THE, UM, SHOWS THE STANDING METAL SEAM ROOF ON WHAT IS BELIEVED TO BE A VERY EARLY PHOTO OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THOUGH THE EXACT DATE AND BUILDING CANNOT BE DEFINITIVELY CONFIRMED, THE CENTER IMAGE IS PHOTOGRAPHED FROM AN, AN OLDER ORIGINAL DATED AROUND 1879, SHOWS THE TAVERN
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WITH A CEDAR SHAKE SHINGLE ROOF.THE RIGHTMOST IMAGE DATED 1982 DEPICTS THE BUILDING ONCE AGAIN WITH A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
THE CURRENT ROOF STRUCTURE HAS SOME UNEVEN FRAMING.
BECAUSE OF THIS, A METAL ROOF IS NOT ADVISABLE.
A STANDING SEAM REQUIRES A MORE LEVEL AND UNIFORM SURFACE TO INSTALL PROPERLY AND TO MAINTAIN THE INTENDED APPEARANCE.
WHILE CEDAR SHAKE SHINGLES HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN USED ON THESE STRUCTURES AND ARE MORE FORGIVING OF THE UNEVEN SURFACE, THE PROPOSED ASPHALT SHINGLES OFFER A BALANCED SOLUTION COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING UNEVEN ROOF STRUCTURE, MAINTAINING THE HISTORICAL AESTHETIC AND VISUAL CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING CEDAR SHAKE SHINGLES.
THE COLOR WAS CHOSEN TO MORE CLOSELY REFLECT THE ORIGINAL DARK HUE OF THE CEDAR SHAKE SHINGLES BEFORE THEY WERE WEATHERED AND BLEACHED.
UM, ALL THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET FOR THIS, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH NO CONDITIONS.
ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF? NO.
APPLICANT WOULD, UH, LIKE TO, UM, ADD SOME COMMENTS? I THINK THIS IS ON.
I'M 1 0 9 SOUTH HIGH STREET, DEVIN, OHIO.
I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF JIM LAW PROPERTIES, UH, THAT OWNS THIS PROPERTY.
AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
I, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
CAN YOU JUST EDUCATE ME ON THE, COULD YOU EDUCATE ME FURTHER ON THE CEDAR SHINGLES? SHINGLES ARE NOT WHAT THEY USED TO BE AS THEY'RE MANUFACTURED NOW.
UH, ACTUALLY, IF YOU GET ON TOP OF THIS ROOF, UH, THESE SHINGLES, UH, DO NOT NECESSARILY REPRESENT, UH, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A SHAKE SHINGLE.
THEY'RE VERY, VERY THIN AND, UH, THEY JUST HAVEN'T WORN VERY WELL.
UM, AND, UH, WE JUST, UH, WE DECIDED WE JUST DON'T WANT, WE WANNA GET AWAY FROM THAT PROBLEM.
'CAUSE EVERY TIME THE WIND BLOWS, UH, WE, WE SEEM TO LOSE QUITE A FEW OF THEM.
SARAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT.
WHAT WE HAVE HEARD WITH OTHER PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT IS THAT CEDAR SHAKE SHINGLES ARE NO LONGER OLD GROWTH WOOD AS THEY WERE WHEN HISTORICALLY INSTALLED WITH SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS.
THAT MEANS THAT THE GRAIN IS VERY CLOSE TOGETHER AND THE SHINGLES ARE HARD.
THEY'RE DURABLE, THEY WITHSTAND WEATHER.
NOW WE HAVE FASTER GROWING YOUNGER WOOD THAT IS VERY POROUS AND WILL NOT STAND UP.
THANKS FOR THAT ADDED CLARITY.
OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT AN ENGINEER OR, OR AN ARCHITECT.
SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PART, PARTICULAR APPLICATION? NO.
IS THERE A MO DO WE HAVE, IF THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SURE.
WHAT ARE WE APPROVING? THE APPLICATION IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE APPROVING, UH, TO APPROVE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW WITH NO CONDITIONS.
[ Case #25-072MPR]
THE SECOND CASE.UH, THE REQUEST IS FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF DOOR MODIFICATIONS TO A LANDMARK BUILDING ON THE ZERO POINT 25 ACRE SITE, UH, ON THE LANDMARK BUILDING.
THE ZERO POINT 25 ACRE SITE IS ZONED HDHS, HISTORIC DISTRICT SOUTH MISSING.
THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR HIGH, UM, 48 TO 52 HIGH DOOR REPLACEMENTS FOR THE ENTIRE FACADE.
THE 0.25 CA 2.5 ACRE SITE IS ZONE HISTORIC DISTRICT HISTORIC SOUTH, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST AT THE INTERSECTION OF SPRING HILL LANE AND SOUTH HIGH STREET.
THE MOST RECENT CASE HISTORY BOARD APPROVED, UM, THE FACADE IMPROVEMENTS FOR 48 SOUTH HIGH EARLIER THIS YEAR TO ALLOW FOR ACCESS FROM NORTH SOUTH HIGH STREET WITH AN ADDITION OF AWNINGS ON THE DOOR AND THE WINDOW.
THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF TWO ADJACENT PARCELS, WHICH ARE LOCATED AT 48 52.
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THESE STRUCTURES WERE ADDED TO NATIONAL REGISTRAR OF HISTORIC PLACES IN 1979.THE PHOTO CAN BE SEEN ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE.
UM, OVER TIME THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ALTERATIONS TO THESE BUILDINGS, AND CURRENTLY WHAT WE SEE OUT THERE IS NOT REALLY ORIGINAL OR HISTORIC TO THE BUILDING.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WITH THE MOST RECENT PROPOSAL, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN HERE IN YELLOW, UM, THE BOARD APPROVAL THE REMOVAL OF THOSE TWO BAY WINDOWS AND ALLOWING AN ADDITION OF A DOOR AND A STOREFRONT WINDOW.
APPLICANT IS NOW, UM, REQUESTING TO REPLACE THE THREE DOORS, WHICH ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN BLUE.
UM, ONE FOR THE 48 AND TWO FOR, UM, 50 52.
UM, TO REPLACE THOSE TO ENSURE THAT, UM, IT KIND OF MATCHES AND ENHANCE THE WHOLE VISUAL, UM, APPEAL OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THESE DOORS WOULD MATCH WHAT THE BOARD RECENTLY APPROVED FOR THE DOOR.
SO THE STYLE AND THE MATERIAL AND EVERYTHING IS GOING TO MATCH.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THIS, THERE IS SOME MAINTENANCE WORKS REQUESTED, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE POWER WASHING AND CLEANING OF THOSE AWNINGS, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY REQUIRE A BOARD APPROVAL, BUT THEY ARE JUST FOR LIKE, FOR LIKE AND MAINTENANCE PURPOSES.
THIS IS A CLE CLAD, ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD FRONT DOORS.
THE DESIGN IS SAME AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.
UM, AND THE DOOR COLOR AND THE TRIM IS IN A BLACK SHADE AND WITH A NEUTRAL TRIM.
THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW CRITERIA ARE EITHER MET OR THEY'RE NOT APPLICABLE WITH THIS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH NO CONDITIONS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
WE HAVE APPLICANT IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
ANYTHING TO CLARIFY FROM THE STAFF REPORT? NOPE.
THE APPLICANT WOULD, UH, LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS.
UH, I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THIS 48 TO 52 SOUTH HIGH.
WE BOUGHT THE BUILDING IN 2014.
IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS THAT THE BUILDING WAS IN TERRIBLE CONDITION.
WE TORE THE WHOLE TOP OF THE ROOF OFF AND WE WERE FORTUNATE.
WE FOUND THIS PICTURE FROM THE 1920S.
MY PARTNER'S PRETTY AMAZING AT THAT.
AND SO WE SET OUT AT THAT TIME TO, TO TRY TO RESTORE IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.
AND WE HAD A TENANT THAT WE INHERITED AT THAT POINT, AND THEY REALLY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN US DOING THIS, AND WE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO IT.
SO NOW THAT WE'RE SWITCHING TENANTS, WE THOUGHT, AND IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THOSE DOORS, THE OTHER THREE DOORS, THEY'RE JUST CHEAP LOWE'S DOORS THAT ARE NOT FIT.
AND WE JUST REALIZE ONCE WE CHANGE 48, IT'S JUST GONNA MAKE THE OTHER ONE STAND OUT.
SO WE REALLY WANT TO IMPROVE THE WHOLE FRONT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE PUT THOSE AWNINGS IN ABOUT SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO.
IT'S TIME THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE.
SO, UM, WE JUST WANNA MAKE THIS LOOK MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC DUBLIN.
OH, I JUST WANNA SAY ONE MORE THING.
I I WANNA RECOGNIZE MS. RODDY SINGH, SHE HAS BEEN SO HELPFUL ON THIS.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR STAFF BECAUSE YOU'VE REALLY GUIDED US WELL.
ANYBODY HAVE A COMMENT FOR THE APPLICANT? ANYTHING THAT I WOULD SAY JUST FROM US? I THINK WE REALLY APPRECIATE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAINTAIN THE DISTRICT IN A CERTAIN WAY.
SO WE, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT TO DO THAT.
UM, IF THERE'S NO COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT, NO, WE HAVEN'T.
UH, SO IF THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, I'LL MOVE THAT.
WE APPROVE THE, UH, MINOR PROJECT REVIEW WITH THE ONE CONDITION SET FORTH IN THE, SORRY.
YEAH, I DIDN'T THINK SO,
AND THEN IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR, FOR BOHO? NO, SHE'S NOT.
UM, SO FROM A POINT OF WHAT, WILL WE TABLE IT OR DO WE, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S WE COULD, RIGHT, COULD WE TABLE? I THINK WE SHOULD TABLE IT.
DO WE, HAVE WE HAVE ANY OTHER ISSUE? DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ISSUES OR COMMUNICATIONS? I ACTUALLY WANT SOME INPUT FROM.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ONE WHERE DO WE, I
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MEAN, WE COULD, WE CAN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, YES.WE CAN GO FORWARD AND THEN DECIDE TO TAKE A LETTER AT THE END.
FOR ME, I MEAN FROM A, SORRY, AHEAD.
YEAH, THERE AND NO COMMUNICATION FROM THE APPLICANT? NO.
SHE'S RETURNING FROM A, I GUESS A, A VERY, UM, UNEXPECTED OVERSEAS FLIGHT.
UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, BUT WITH A CONDITION.
AND SHE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS SHE REALLY WANTS THE STRIPED AWNINGS AS SHOWN.
SO I THINK SHE SHOULD BE HERE FOR THAT DISCUSSION.
SO FROM THE BOARD STANDPOINT, DO WE WANT TO, I MEAN, AS YOU SAID, WE COULD GO RIGHT FORWARD AND WE COULD HEAR FROM YOU AND THEN, THEN DECIDE WHETHER WE WANNA TABLE IT OR VOTE.
UM, I, I PERSONALLY THINK WE SHOULD TABLE IT NOW RATHER THAN HEARING THE STAFF PRESENTATION BECAUSE I THINK THE APPLICANT WILL BENEFIT FROM HEARING THE STAFF PRESENTATION AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REVIEWED SEPARATELY.
SO I, I WOULD FEEL FAR MORE COMFORTABLE NOT HEARING ANY PART OF THE CASE AND TABLING IT ALL TILL THE NEXT TIME.
SO WHAT I'M, SO NOW I'M NOT SURE WHERE I SIT IN THIS.
CAN I, THIS DISCUSSION FOR ME IS THIS PART OF IT IS.
WELL I'LL, I'LL MOVE TABLE IT AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN VOTE ME DOWN.
CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION RATHER THAN TABLING? BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO MOVE TO REMOVE IT FROM THE TABLE IF YOU'RE SURE YOU WANNA MOVE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.
WE COULD JUST POSTPONE TO THE AUGUST.
DON'T KNOW THE, THE DATE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
BUT THE AUGUST, I THINK IT'S 27TH, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE IT IS.
SO POSTPONING AND CABLING ARE TWO DIFFERENT, I MEAN, JUST YES, THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT.
WILL THAT BE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT'S ALREADY HEADED FOR AUGUST 27TH? ISN'T TOO MUCH WORK FOR YOU GUYS.
IT, IT WON'T CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL WORK FOR US BECAUSE WE ARE READY TONIGHT.
WHETHER SHE CAN MAKE THAT MEETING.
DO WE KNOW THE SCHEDULE FOR, I MEAN, IT LOOKS FREE ENOUGH TO TAKE ON ANOTHER CASE.
JUST, UH, SO WE DON'T OVERLOAD THE THING.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE A BUSY MEETING.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, A NUMBER OF ITEMS. UM, YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD HEAR THIS AND HEAR IT AND SEE WHERE WE FALL.
AND THEN IF WE CAN'T COME TO AN AGREE AND YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO STEP AWAY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS CAN I, UM, I, THIS DOES NOT INDICATE WHICH WAY I'M GONNA VOTE ON THIS MATTER, BUT I'M GONNA SECOND THE MOTION SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSION.
'CAUSE REALLY WE SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSING IT.
AN UN SECONDED MOTION ON THE TABLE.
SO FOR ME TO QUESTION FOR THIS OR, OR, BECAUSE YOUR MOTION WAS TO TABLE AND I THINK WE HAD A MOTION THAT WOULD, THAT IT MAY BE POSTPONING IS, IS A BETTER WAY.
MY IDEA WAS TO MOVE TO TABLE THE CASE TO UNTIL NEXT MONTH SO THAT THE APPLICANT COULD ATTEND OR STATE WHETHER SHE WILL, HE, SHE, THEY WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE, BUT POSTPONING COULD DO THEM JUST FROM, FROM A THEN WE POSTPONING COULD ACT AS THE SAME THING.
WITHOUT ANOTHER MOTION TO UNTAP.
IF YOU'RE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH USING THE WORD POSTPONE, THEN.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO POSTPONE THIS CASE AND NOT TAKE ANY TESTIMONY TODAY UNTIL, AND RESET IT FOR NEXT MONTH.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE, THE, THE MOTION IS TO POSTPONE.
SO NOW I WILL RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE CASE.
SO I LEAVE YOU WITH, UH, SO THIS IS THE, HERE WE HERE.
SO YOU'RE, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO HEAR IT AGAIN.
SO WE ARE, WELL, YOU NEED TO LEAVE THE ROOM
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AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THIS IS SO THAT HE CAN'T INFLUENCE OUR DELIBERATIONS.THAT'S WHY HE'S LEAVING THE ROOM.
WE ARE HERE TO, UM, HEAR, UH, THE CASE OF NUMBER
[ Case #25-059MPR]
25 0 5 9 MPR, WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW TO ALLOW AWNINGS OVER THE TENANT STOREFRONTS.THE 0.25 ACRE SITE IS ZONED HISTORIC SOUTH DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED AT 55 SOUTH HIGH STREET.
AND MS. MILAX, ARE YOU READY TO GO? THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS.
THE 0.25 ACRE SITE IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SO HIGH STREET IN SPRING HILL LANE IN A ZONED HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC SOUTH.
IT CONTAINS A TWO-STORY MULTI-TENANT BACKGROUND COMMERCIAL BUILDING BUILT IN 1979.
THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE CONTAINS A PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
THE BUILDING IS A BACKGROUND RESOURCE AND DOES NOT ADD TO THE HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS ARCHITECTURAL QUALITIES OR ARCHEOLOGICAL VALUE OF THE AREA.
SINCE THIS BUILDING IS ADJACENT TO LANDMARK BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN GREEN SURROUNDING THE SITE, UM, ITS DESIGN ELEMENTS SHOULD BE STYLISTICALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THEM PER THE GUIDELINES.
RELEVANT CASE HISTORY INCLUDES A RECENT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR A BLACK AND WHITE WALL SIGN FOR THE TENANT, WHICH IS PICTURED HERE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE A RB APPROVED THE BUILDING TO BE PAINTED CHINA DOLL WITH A BROWN TRIM IN 2017.
THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS FACING SOUTH HIGH STREET AND SPRING HILL LANE.
THE SUBJECT TENANT SPACES LOCATED ON THE GROUND FLOOR IN THE EAST FACING PORTION OF THE BUILDING AND IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE STONE ENTRY.
THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES ADDING TWO AWNINGS, ONE AB ABOVE EACH, UH, STOREFRONT TO IMPROVE VISIBILITY.
EACH WILL BE 12 FEET WIDE SLOPED OPEN UNDERNEATH WHICH MEETS CODE.
THE AWNINGS WILL HAVE SEVEN FEET OF CLEARANCE ABOVE THE SIDEWALK, WHICH DOES NOT MEET THE EIGHT FOOT CODE REQUIREMENT.
A WAIVER IS REQUIRED FOR THE REDUCED, UH, CLEARANCE AND STAFF SUPPORT.
THIS DUE TO THE BUILDING'S LOW SOFFIT HEIGHT, WHICH PREVENTS COMPLIANCE WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE SCALE OR THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE AWNING AND THE BUILDING'S APPEARANCE.
AWNINGS MUST COMPLIMENT THE BUILDING AND BE PLACED CONSISTENTLY, EITHER WITHIN WINDOW FRAMES OR ABOVE OPENINGS.
THE GUIDELINES RECOMMEND ONE AWNING POUR PER WINDOW OR DOOR RATHER THAN A SINGLE FULL WIDTH AWNING ACROSS THE FACADE.
STAFF FIND THAT THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS APPROPRIATE.
EACH STOREFRONT HAS A SINGLE AWNING THAT FITS THE BO BUILDING'S.
MODERN WINDOWS AND AWNINGS ALSO DO NOT SPAN THE ENTIRE FACADE, UM, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES RECOMMENDATION.
THE AWNINGS WILL BE SUPPORTED BY AN ALUMINUM FRAME AND ARE A MAT, CLASSIC CREAM AND CHARCOAL BLACKS, UH, PINS, STRIPES UMBRELLA FABRIC PATTERN.
UM, THE MATERIAL AND THE DURABILITY REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.
HOWEVER, THE COLOR AND PINSTRIPE, UM, PATTERN DEVIATE FROM THE GUIDELINES WHICH ADVISE AGAINST ANY ORNATE PATTERNS AND RECOMMEND AWNING COLORS THAT COMPLEMENT THE BUILDING.
UM, THIS IS A UNIQUE MULTI-TENANT BUILDING IN THE DISTRICT, SO WE JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT STAFF AND THE BOARD MUST CONSIDER THE APPROPRIATENESS AND VISUAL IMPACTS, UH, THAT STRIPED AWNINGS IF USED BY OTHER TENANTS COULD HAVE ON THIS BUILDING TO ASSIST WITH THE ANALYSIS AND THESE IMPACTS.
STAFF HAVE PROVIDED MOCKUPS OF, UM, WHAT THE PROPOSED STRIPE AWNINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE ACROSS THIS BUILDING IN COMPARISON TO, UM, AN ALTERNATE, UM, WITH BLACK AWNINGS.
CURRENTLY, NO OTHER LANDMARK BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT FEATURE STRIPE AWNINGS, WHICH ARE NOT APPROPRIATE.
GIVEN THE SIMPLE VERNACULAR STYLE OF BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT, THE STRIPE AWNINGS WOULD SET A PRECEDENT FOR THE REST OF THE BUILDING AND THE COMBINATION OF THE STRIPE PATTERN AT BOTH STOREFRONTS AGAINST THE BUILDINGS HORIZONTAL AND DIAGONAL DETAILS, AS WELL AS THE PAINT COLORS IS JUST FELT TO BE TOO BUSY ON THIS BUILDING AND IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS SOLID BLACK AWNINGS TO BETTER ADDRESS THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES, THE SIMPLICITY THAT'S EXPECTED, AND TO ALIGN WITH THE RECENTLY APPROVED, UH, BLACK AND WHITE WALL SIGN.
UM, FOR THIS TENANT, ALL WAIVER CRITERIA ARE MET, MET WITH CONDITION OR NOT APPLICABLE, AND ALL MINOR PROJECT REVIEW CRITERIA ARE MET WITH WAIVER AND CONDITIONS MET WITH CONDITION OR NOT APPLICABLE WITH THAT.
STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE AWNING CLEARANCE WAIVER AND THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW WITH ONE CONDITION THAT THE COLOR AND PATTERN OF THE PROPOSED AWNINGS BE REVISED TO A SOLID BLACK.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS IN ATTENDANCE.
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THANK YOU.DOES A, ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. MEX? NO, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, WHEN YOU, UH, RECOMMENDED, UH, THAT SOLID BLACK AWNINGS BE SELECTED, WHAT WAS THE CONSIDERATION THERE? YEAH, SO IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT.
UM, IN THE DISTRICT, BLACK AWNINGS OR LIKE A SOLID COLOR AWNING ARE USED IN THE SURROUNDING AREA ON LANDMARK BUILDINGS.
SO THAT WAS DEFINITELY CONSIDERED, UM, THE BUILDING COLOR AND HOW IT LOOKS ON THIS BUILDING IS ALSO CONSIDERED AS IT RELATES TO, UM, THEIR WALL SIGN AS WELL THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED.
UM, AND THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, IF ANOTHER TENANT WERE TO COME FORWARD FOR AWNINGS AS WELL, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, THE PRECEDENT THAT THIS SETS AND WHAT TYPE OF AWNING AND COLOR IS GONNA WORK FOR EVERYONE ACROSS THIS BUILDING FOR ALL TENANTS.
UM, SO THOSE WERE THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT RECOMMENDED, UM, FOR THE BLACK AWNINGS WERE ANY OTHER COLORS CONSIDERED? UM, WE DID, UM, DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT SOME EARTH TONE COLORS AS AN ALTERNATE OPTION, UM, AND BLACK.
ANYBODY ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION.
THE CODE ITSELF ALLOWS FOR TWO COLORS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
DID STAFF CONSIDER A TWO COLOR PATTERN THAT THEY, THAT STAFF CONSIDERS TO BE LESS ORNATE? YOU USED THE TERM ORNATE.
SO STAFF CONSIDERED ONLY A SOLID COLOR? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND BLACK WAS THE, AND THAT'S, SORRY, THAT'S REALLY TO ALIGN WITH SURROUNDING AWNINGS THAT ARE JUST A SOLID COLOR IN THE VICINITY.
UM, IS THERE A REASON THAT THE COLORS PICKED ARE NOT, THE OTHER TERM YOU USED WAS COMPLIMENT THE COLORS OF THE BUILDINGS? DO THESE PARTICULAR CHOSEN COLORS NOT COMPLIMENT THE COLORS OF THE BUILDING? UM, SO THE FACADE RIGHT, IS VERY WARM IN ITS COLOR PALETTE, IT'S CREAM AND BROWN.
UM, IT'S IN STAFF'S OPINION THAT, UM, IT'S MAYBE NOT THE BEST OPTION.
BOTH THE CONSIDERATION OF THE PATTERN AS WELL AS THE COMBINATION OF THE COLORS.
UM, WHAT I WILL MENTION IS THE ROOF COLOR IS A DARKER, LIKE CHARCOAL GRAY, SO IT IS ALIGNING WITH THAT AT LEAST, BUT REALLY LOOKING AT THE MAJORITY OF THE FACADE AND, AND THE COLORS THAT ARE PRESENT THERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT DOESN'T ALIGN SO MUCH THERE, BUT, OKAY.
IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, WE NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN.
UM, WHY DON'T YOU JUST STEP TO THE PODIUM AND I'LL YEP.
IF I CAN FIND THE LANGUAGE AND THEN SHOULD WE HAVE, I HAVE TO SWEAR IN.
UH, IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR, ACTUALLY TURN ON YOUR, WELL TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE WHEN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? I DO.
COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? SURE.
I'M, MY NAME IS JAMIE MALOWITZ AND MY HOME ADDRESS IS 44 0 3 MANOR COURT, WEST DUBLIN.
AND WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU ON THE APPLICATION.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR MY TARDINESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE MADE AWARE, BUT WE HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY AND I JUST DID A 48 HOUR BACK AND FORTH WITH MY, TO GET MY GRANDCHILDREN IN ENGLAND WHERE THEY LIVE.
UM, AND I LITERALLY JUST GOT IN THE DOOR AND BY THE GRACIOUSNESS OF SARAH AND TAYLOR, THEY LET ME GO LAST AND I WAS TOLD LIKE SEVEN O'CLOCK.
SO, SO I, I APOLOGIZE AND I'M, I'M REALLY RATTLED.
AND TAKE WHATEVER TIME YOU NEED AND WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN SUCH A DRASTIC TURNAROUND.
UM, UH, THIS HAS BEEN ABOUT A YEAR SINCE THE FIRST TIME I MET WITH TAYLOR AND SARAH ABOUT THESE AWNINGS,
UM, I APPRECIATE MARTHA AND HILLARY ASKING THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU DID BECAUSE THOSE ARE EXACTLY THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE BEEN, UM, CONFUSED BY, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY.
UM, SO WHEN I CHOSE THIS FABRIC, AS YOU CAN SEE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THE BLACK AWNINGS DO NOTHING AT ALL FOR THE BUILDING.
WHERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OLDER BUILDINGS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, LIKE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, THERE'S THE CUTE LITTLE WHITE HOUSE THAT HAS NOW BEEN THAT YOU, THE A RB APPROVED FOR THE BLACK AWNINGS, WHEN YOU HAVE A WHITE BUILDING BLACK POPS ON THAT BUILDING, RIGHT? SO IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT, CUTE BUSINESS.
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BRINGS INTEREST, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT EVERYTHING I'VE BEEN READING ABOUT HISTORIC DUBLIN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO DOWN THERE IS TO TRY TO, UM, JUST BRING A LITTLE MORE CHARACTER TO THE AREA AND WITH SOME OF THE NEW, UM, LIKE THE NEW BUILD THAT IS, UH, I THINK IT'S 34 AND 38 NORTH HIGH STREET, UM, THEY HAVE BRONZE AWNINGS THAT ARE METAL.UM, THEIR NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE BRONZE AWNINGS.
UM, NO ONE ELSE, AS FAR AS I KNOW IN THE DISTRICT HAS METAL AWNINGS.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S PROBABLY TAKING AWAY, BUT MY ARCHITECTURE IS NOT THE SAME AS ANY OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
LIKEWISE, I THINK I'M THE ONLY COMMERCIAL BUILDING DOWN THERE.
AND LET'S FACE IT, MY BUILDING IS NOT THE MOST ATTRACTIVE AND, UM, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF RUMORS THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF THAT BUILDING 'CAUSE IT'S BE KIND OF AN EYESORE.
I AM TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT, UM, SORRY, I'VE GOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS IN MY HEAD.
I CHOSE THIS FABRIC BECAUSE OF THE CHARCOAL, UM, ROOF, AND I CHOSE THE CREAM TO GO WITH THE WARMER.
I HAVE A WHOLE BOOKLET HERE OF OTHER FABRICS THAT WE COULD, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH ANY OF YOU AND LOOK AT THEM.
UM, THERE'S A VERY PRETTY RED THAT WOULD GO WITH TIMELESS SKIN SOLUTIONS, RED PAINT COLOR ON THE BUILDING.
UM, THAT WOULD REALLY POP OFF THAT BUILDING.
PERSONALLY, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK TERRIBLE.
UM, I HAVE CHOSEN A FABRIC THAT IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE FOR A TUDOR BUILDING, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ISN'T A LOT OF, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WORD, UM, HEAVY DETAIL TO THAT STYLE.
SOME TUTOR BUILDINGS HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA DETAILING.
YOU WOULDN'T WANNA DO THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD, THEY WOULD FIGHT EACH OTHER.
UM, I HAVE ALSO TALKED TO, UH, RICHARD, OR I'M SORRY, ROBERT WHO OWNS MISSING JIMMY'S NEXT DOOR.
HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION AT ALL OF PUTTING ANY AWNINGS THERE.
AND HE WILL BE THERE LONGER THAN I AM.
I ONLY HAVE FOUR MORE YEARS LEFT ON MY LEASE.
I THINK HE JUST SIGNED A LEASE FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
UM, A BAR LIKE THAT WOULD NEVER PUT STRIPED AWNINGS ON IT.
SO I AM TRYING TO, I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU KNOW OR IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN INTO MY BUSINESS, BUT I HAVE BEEN DOWNTOWN.
UM, I WAS NEXT TO OSCAR'S RESTAURANT ACROSS FROM THE LIBRARY FOR 13 AND A HALF YEARS.
AND THEN OUR LANDLORD, UM, KIND OF PUSHED EVERYBODY OUT BECAUSE ALL OF THE RENTS DOWNTOWN HAVE BECOME EXTREMELY HIGH.
I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE RETIRED
UM, AND I MOVED TO THIS LOCATION AND I DO HAVE A WONDERFUL FOLLOWING AND, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE FOOT TRAFFIC THAT I HAD AT MY OLD LOCATION.
WE NEED TO KEEP SMALL BUSINESSES IN HISTORIC DUBLIN, AND WE'RE JUST GONNA BE ALL RESTAURANTS AND INSURANCE AGENCIES AND, UM, BEAUTY SALONS.
UM, SO I AM ASKING ALL OF YOU IF, IF THIS ISN'T, IF YOU'RE NOT FEELING THIS AND YOU DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SPACE TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF UNIQUENESS, CHARACTER WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY, SO THE ONE, UM, PHOTO THAT YOU DID NOT SEE IS DURING THE DAY, EVERYONE COMES IN AND PARKS RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY SPACE.
SO YOU LITERALLY CAN SEE FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY SIGN THAT IS THERE, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING PUT UP ON THURSDAY, THANK GOODNESS AFTER A YEAR, UM, THAT YOU LITERALLY, YOU CAN'T SEE MY WINDOWS.
YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THERE'S ANYTHING THERE.
UM, FROM THE STREET, YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING.
UM, SO MAYBE YOU'RE THINKING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY PROBLEM.
I WENT TO ANOTHER LOCATION THAT DOESN'T HAVE GOOD VISIBILITY.
WELL, IT, I, IT IS MY PROBLEM.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO APPEAL TO YOU THAT WE NEED TO KEEP SOME SMALL BUSINESSES AND I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE THERE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME AND I WON'T BE ABLE TO PAY MY RENT
SO, SO CAN I ASK YOU, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THEN, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS INTO YOUR MOUTH.
BUT HERE'S, LIKE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU FEEL THAT BY HAVING THE STRIPED AWNING THAT WILL, UH, I MEAN, YOU ARE PRETTY FAR BACK AND UNLESS PEOPLE KNOW YOU'RE THERE AND SHOP WITH YOU, YOU MAY NOT WALK BACK THERE TO SEE WHO'S BACK THERE.
AND I'M, I GUESS MANY PEOPLE COULDN'T TELL YOU WHO'S BACK THERE.
SO YOU WANT TO USE THE STRIPE DAWNING AS A WAY TO DRAW PEOPLE TO
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YOU, IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.YES, BUT I ALSO THINK IT REALLY ELEVATES THE BUILDING.
I THINK IT GIVES IT A FACELIFT, A FRESHNESS.
AND I ALSO FEEL LIKE MAYBE THE LANDLORD WILL DECIDE TO GIVE IT A FRESH COAT OF PAINT.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WHEN I BROUGHT THIS TO THE PROPERTY MANAGER AND THE LANDLORD, THEY SAID THEY ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT.
UM, SO I WAS VERY EXCITED AND I ACTUALLY HAD IT PUT INTO MY LEASE THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW ME TO PUT THEM IN.
UM, SO, BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS RELEVANCE WITH MISSING JIMMY'S.
UM, ANYWAY, IN MY MIND I, THERE ISN'T, BUT, AND I ALSO CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VERNACULAR THAT IS MY NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH IS A REALLY, IT'S A CHARMING BUILDING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALLOWED TO ADD CHARACTER TO THAT BUILDING.
UM, BUT IT IS NOT A TUDOR BUILDING.
THE TIMELESS SKIN SOLUTIONS BUILDING THAT IS TO MY NORTH
BUT IT'S A, A VERY UNIQUE RED AND WHITE.
AND THEN TREVOR FUREY, THE OTHER RETAILER, UM, IS NOT, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE HIS BUILDING.
I MEAN, IT'S TO THE LEFT OF US, BUT THE WING THAT COMES OUT, UM, ON THAT SIDE, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE WHAT'S THERE.
AND TELL ME, YOU JUST SAID, UH, WHERE IS YOUR SIGN GOING TO GO? UM, IT'S UP THERE IN THAT PHOTO, UM, RIGHT, THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT IS.
THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE GOING TO PUT UP ON THURSDAY.
SO THE AWNING KIND OF REFLECTS YOUR SIGN.
AND I DO FEEL LIKE IN THE PHOTOS, UM, AND I CAN SHOW YOU, UM, A BEAST OF A BOOK, BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU, BECAUSE I KIND OF FEEL LIKE IN THE PHOTO, IT, IT LOOKS MORE BLACK AND WHITE.
BUT IF YOU, I JUST GRABBED A PIECE OF WHITE PAPER SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW CREAMY THIS ACTUALLY IS.
AND ALSO IF I HOLD UP THE
SO THEY ARE A, THEY'RE SOFTER.
I FEEL LIKE THE BLACK AND WHITE UP THERE ON THE RENDERINGS ARE, ARE A LITTLE MORE BLACK AND WHITE LOOKING.
TO ME, THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE SOFTER LOOKING.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BLACK AWNINGS TO ME DO NOTHING AT ALL.
UM, SO I WOULD BE SPENDING SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO DO, WILLING TO ADD NO VALUE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE YOU DECIDED TO, UM, PICK A STRIPE? UM, DID YOU CONSIDER ANY OTHER SOLID COLORS OR, UM, PERHAPS A BLOCK PATTERN? I, I WOULD CONSIDER SOME OTHER COLORS IF THEY WOULD SHOW UP AGAINST THE BUILDING.
THAT'S KIND OF THE DIFFICULTY WITH, UM, THE NEUTRAL TONES.
SO THIS TO ME WAS THE MOST NEUTRAL, BUT STILL WOULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF INTEREST.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A VERY PRETTY RED IN HERE, THERE'S A PINK, WE, YOU KNOW, A BOUTIQUE COULD HAVE PINK
I THINK IT NEEDS TO HAVE THAT CHARACTER, UM, AND TO MAINTAIN IT.
UM, THERE ARE THINGS THAT I SEE SOMETIMES, LIKE THAT BRAND NEW BUILDING THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE METAL AWNINGS.
IT HAS THESE VERY CONTEMPORARY LIGHT FIXTURES.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT MY CHOICE.
UM, I, I WOULD, UM, DISCUSS OTHER OPTIONS.
IT'S JUST THAT IN THE GUIDELINES IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, NOT MORE THAN TWO COLORS.
UM, I DON'T LOOK AT THIS AS BEING, UH, ORNATE.
UM, STRIPES HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR FOREVER.
UM, NOT FOREVER, BUT
SO YOU WOULD AGREE THOUGH THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY, UH, CONSISTENT WITH A TUTOR DESIGN? UM, NO, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I DID ACTUALLY LOOK UP, AND IN MY REPORT THAT I SUBMITTED, UM, I CITED THREE DIFFERENT,
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UM, DESIGN GROUPS THAT SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT AS LONG AS IT WASN'T LIKE AN ORNATE TUTOR TUDOR STYLE, UM, WHERE THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF ARCHES AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS GOING ON, THAT, UM, THE STRIPE ACTUALLY IS A GOOD OPTION.EITHER A STRIPE OR A BOLD COLOR, I'M SORRY, A STRIPE OR A BOLD COLOR, LIKE BRIGHT.
UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT AN OPTION FOR US.
I WOULDN'T WANT THAT DOWN THERE.
UM, I THINK JUST TO ME, THIS, WELL ACTUALLY WHEN, UM, IT'S THE CAPITOL AWNING IS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THIS TO ME AND SAID, THIS IS THE, THE FABRIC THAT WE FEEL LIKE WORKS THE BEST WITH YOUR BUILDING, UM, AND THE, UM, ARCHITECTURE AND UM, ET CETERA.
SO, AND I AGREED WHEN I SAW IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT RIGHT NOW.
ARE WE READY TO CONSIDER, WELL, LET'S JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION.
IN THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT, I NOTED THAT ON THE, UM, EAST SIDE OF SOUTH HIGH, ALL OF THE OLD BUILDINGS HAVE BLACK AWNINGS, SOME IN DISREPAIR, SOME ARE SLATED TO BE REPLACED.
ONE BUILDING HAS A GREEN AWNING, THE GREEN BUILDING, THE BARBERSHOP HAS A GREEN AWNING.
BUT I ALSO NOTICED ON THE CORNER ON WEST BROAD OR WEST BRIDGE THAT THERE'S A, UH, BLUE AWNING THERE.
AND THERE'S ALSO A CLAY AWNING ON A COUPLE OF WINDOWS ON THAT NEW BUILD BUILDING THAT'S BUILT ON THE CORNER ON THE, THAT WOULD BE THE NORTHWEST CORNER COMPLEX.
AND I NOTICED AT CHATEAU LANE, THEY HAVE A RED BLOCK AWNING.
IT'S NOT REALLY RED, IT'S NOT BRIGHT RED, BUT IT'S A MUTED, ALMOST MUTED PINKY RED COLOR WITH A WHITE BORDER AT THE BOTTOM.
SO IT'S A BLOCK OF COLOR WITH THE WHITE BELOW, WHICH TO ME, UH, ALSO SEEMED ALL OF THOSE SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE APPROPRIATE.
AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT WHETHER OTHER COLORS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED, BECAUSE I ALSO NOTED AS EXPLAINED BY OUR APPLICANT THAT IT IS DIFFICULT TO SEE THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING, PARTICULARLY ON THE WING THAT SHE IS LOCATED ON.
IT SITS UP ON A HILL AND THE PARKING LOT IS ELEVATED.
AND IN FACT THERE WAS A TRUCK, A PICKUP TRUCK IN THERE AT THE TIME, AND I COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING BUT JUST THE BOTTOM OF THE, OR THE VERY TOP, WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE BORDER HERE ABOVE WHERE THE AWNINGS ARE PROPOSED.
SO I APPRECIATE HER LACK OF VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET FOR THAT REASON.
I ALSO APPRECIATE THE, UM, CONCERN OF THE STAFF THAT THE VERTICAL STRIPES, UM, RUN KIND OF COUNTER TO THE DIAGONAL LINES THAT ARE ON PART OF THE T DESIGN AND ALSO THE FACT THAT OTHER TENANTS WOULD THEN MAYBE WANT TO HAVE OTHER STRIPES AND OR I REALLY DID NOT LIKE THE, UM, MARKUP PICTURE THAT SHOWS AWNINGS, STRIPED AWNINGS AS PROPOSED ON ALL OF THE WINDOWS.
BUT I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO NOT WANTING, UM, TO HAVE TO USE BLACK.
AND I KIND OF AGREE THAT THE APPLICANT THAT USING BLACK IN THIS SCENARIO JUST PLAIN BLACK GETS LOST.
IT DOESN'T BRING ANY REAL, UH, VISUAL CATCH, UH, TO THE BUILDING.
SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS THAT I WANTED TO SHARE AND WHY I HAD ASKED IF OTHER COLORS HAD BEEN CONSIDERED.
AND WOULD ADD THAT E THE BLACK I THINK BLENDS IN TOO MUCH AND THE, UM, ANY OTHER SINGLE EARTH TONE WOULD HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM.
UM, I DON'T THINK THE STRIPES ARE OUTLANDISH.
I THINK THAT THE RENDERING THAT, UM, MS. MULLINAX HAD OF THE
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ALL THE WINDOWS WITH AWNINGS WAS A BIT MUCH.UM, BUT I THINK WEIGHING THE, UM, CONCERNS HERE, I DON'T SEE THAT AS SO BAD.
PLUS IT'S A DIFFERENT WING, AND THAT MIGHT PROVIDE ENOUGH OF A DIFFERENCE IF WE NEED TO MAKE A DISTINCTION NEXT TIME.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF AWNINGS.
I COULD SAY FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT WHEN YOU MOVED THERE, IT WAS A WHILE BEFORE I REALIZED YOU MOVED THERE.
AND I THINK WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT OWNER, I MEAN THAT BUILDING'S THERE AND YEAH, I HONESTLY WISH IT WAS, I WISH IT WAS PUSHED UP AND MATCHED THE REST OF THE DISTRICT, BUT IT'S, I HARDLY EVEN KNEW IT EXISTED.
UM, BUT IT'S, UM, IF IT WAS GOING TO BE RENOVATED, MY GUESS IS THE TOP WOULD CHANGE
UM, IF SOMEBODY WAS GONNA REFRESH THAT BUILDING, WELL THEY'D HAVE TO COME HERE AND WE'D HAVE TO AGREE TO IT.
BUT
I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE BUSINESS REASON WHY YOU WOULD WANT THAT THERE.
AND I ACTUALLY THINK IT LOOKS FINE.
I AGREE THAT THE BLACK WOULD NOT HELP YOU IN WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND HERE'S THE THING IS WE HAVE WISHES ABOUT, WE ARE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DISTRICT MAINTAINS ITS CHARACTER, BUT THERE IS ROOM IN THESE GUIDELINES, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE TWO COLORS.
UH, IT'S A WIDE STRIPE, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS A SMALLER STRIPE, I THINK I MIGHT THINK DIFFERENTLY, BUT IT'S A WIDE STRIPE.
SO, UM, MARTY, I AGREE WITH YOU TOO.
I THINK, I THINK THAT, THAT THIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I, I THINK IF, YOU KNOW, WELL, I'M NOT GONNA OPINE WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED IF EVERYBODY ELSE CAME IN FOR ONE OF THOSE HONORS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN TALK OR NOT.
CAN I TALK
SO IF SOMEONE CAME ALONG AND THEY WANTED TO PUT IT ON ONE OF THE BUILDINGS FROM 1895 DOWN THERE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT ARE MORE COTTAGEY HOME LOOKING, YOU WOULD HAVE A REASON TO SAY, WELL, WE DID IT BECAUSE THIS IS TUDOR, OR, OR NOT OR WHATEVER, BUT
UM, I, I THINK FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE APPLICANT HERSELF SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING FROM THE STREET, UM, BEING DOWN ON THE STREET, STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK, DRIVING BY ON THE ROAD.
YOU, YOU CAN'T SEE BELOW THAT SECOND FLOOR LEVEL.
AND MY CONCERN IS THAT THE STRIPED AWNINGS ARE DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER BUILDING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE, THE APPLICANT NOTES, UH, JL AS HAVING STRIPED AWNINGS, BUT THOSE ARE VERY SUBTLE.
THEY'RE OFF TO THE SIDE, THEY'RE VERTICAL, AND THEY'RE MEANT MORE AS A SCREENING, I THINK FROM THE WESTWARD SUN.
AND YOU HAVE TO BE NEXT TO THE BUILDING TO ACTUALLY SEE IT.
I THINK THE STRIPED AWNINGS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE LANDMARK BUILDINGS AROUND IT.
I, I DON'T THINK THIS BUILDING WILL BECOME A LANDMARK BUILDING BECAUSE IT, A TUDOR BUILDING IS NOT TYPICAL TO THE HISTORY OF DUBLIN.
SO, UH, ALSO, UM, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU IN THAT I THINK OTHER OPTIONS COULD BE PURSUED HERE.
WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DECIDE STRIPED AWNINGS VERSUS SOLID AWNINGS, SOLID BLACK AWNINGS.
AND THERE ARE SOME NICE OTHER AWNINGS IN THE DISTRICT THAT HAVE TWO COLORS THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE SUBTLE, BUT ALSO BRING ATTENTION TO IT.
BUT I GUESS GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT, MY CONCERN IS ABOUT MAKING AN EXCEPTION.
YOU KNOW, GRANTED THE CODE SAYS WE CAN HAVE TWO COLORS, BUT I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE HERE NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
ALSO, I THINK THESE STRIPED AWNINGS ARE SO DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE LANDMARK BUILDINGS HAVE THAT IT DISTRACTS FROM THE, UH, UH, DOWNTOWN AREA OR TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND, UH, FOR THAT REASON, I'M INCLINED TO, UH, IF I ONLY HAVE TWO OPTIONS TO VOTE ON
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STRIPED VERSUS A BLACK AWNING, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD VOTE FOR THE EXCEPTION OF THE WAIVER WITH BLACK AWNINGS RATHER THAN, THAN STRIPED.TAYLOR, COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION? UM, I DON'T HAVE, BECAUSE I HAD TO COME STRAIGHT FROM WORK.
I DON'T HAVE MY MATERIALS WITH ME.
UM, WHAT DOES THE CODE SAY? YOU USE THE TERM ORATE, BUT WHAT, WHAT IS IT? IT'LL, IT PERMITS UP TO TWO COLORS.
AND WHAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT IT USES FOR THE REST OF IT? YEAH, SO, UM, SHE CAN HAVE TWO COLORS MAXIMUM.
UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF PATTERN, IT JUST CAN'T BE AN ORNATE PATTERN.
IT USES THE TERM ORATE, IT, IT SAYS ORNATE, ORNATE, ORNATE OR COMPLEX.
AND THESE, IN MY OPINION, ARE NEITHER
SO THE, THE TWO COLORS IS NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE SHE'S ONLY USING TWO COLORS.
SO IT COMES DOWN TO WHETHER WE CONSIDER THIS TO BE ORNATE OR COMPLEX.
UM, AND I WOULD ARGUE THIS IS NOT ORNATE NOR COMPLEX, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S MY OPINION.
UM, AND SORRY, EXCUSE ME, MS. DEEZER, I WANNA JUST CLARIFY THAT THAT IS A GUIDELINE RECOMMENDATION, NOT A CODE REQUIREMENT.
SO THE CODE SAYS, SO YEAH, THE COLORS AND THE PATTERN COME FROM THE GUIDELINES.
SO WHAT DOES THE CODE SAY? UM, THE CODE DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE COLOR AND THE PATTERN.
THAT'S, THAT GUIDANCE COMES FROM THE GUIDELINES.
CAN I JUST READ THIS PART OF THE CODE? UM, SO IT'S 1 5, 3 0.174 DESIGNS, STANDARDS, UM, SECTION F CANOPIES AND AWNINGS.
IT, UM, STILL WITH THE GUIDE MM-HMM
SENTENCE THREE, OR I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU TERM THESE.
AWNINGS AND CANOPIES SHALL BE DESIGNED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING AND EXISTING AWNINGS ON THE BUILDING.
I HEAR, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
EXCEPT THIS IS NOT A LANDMARK BUILDING.
IT WILL NEVER BE A LANDMARK BUILDING, AS YOU SAID,
AND LIKELY, I WILLING TO BET THAT PRESSURES IN OLD DUBLIN AT SOME POINT WILL COME TO THE POINT WHERE SOMEONE REDEVELOPS THAT SITE.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, I MEAN, ONE OF THE, UM, PRINCIPLES OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT TOO IS THAT, UM, EACH BUILDING IS IN ITS OWN TIME, SO TO SPEAK.
AND I WOULDN'T WANNA TREAT A BUILDING THAT'S NOT A LANDMARK BUILDING AS IF IT WERE EITHER, BECAUSE IT'S UNIQUE IN ITS OWN RIGHT.
REGARDLESS OF HOW IT'S UNIQUE.
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD COUNTER TO THAT.
SO TAYLOR, DID YOU DO ANY RESEARCH INTO TUDOR AWNINGS
UM, IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY MENTION THE TUTOR ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IN THE ARTICLE, BUT IT DOES RIGHT.
EXPAND UPON, UM, THE HISTORY OF STRIPED AWNINGS AND THAT IT WAS A COMMONALITY, UM, FOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UM, IN THE 19TH CENTURY AND EARLY 20TH CENTURY.
UM, BUT THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF IT.
IT DOESN'T MAKE THAT DIRECT CONNECTION TO MM-HMM
CAN I JUST BRING THESE TWO PICTURES UP TO SHOW YOU? SURE, YES.
SO THE ONE THING ABOUT J L'S, UM, THAT BEAUTIFUL SUNSHADE THAT THEY HAVE THAT, UM, I WAS DRIVING DOWN THE SIDE STREET AND I SAW ONE DAY AND I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT'S GORGEOUS.
AND, BUT THEY HAVE LIKE A BLACK TRIM ON THEIR BUILDING, SO MY BUILDING IS VERY NEUTRAL.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF IN THE REVERSE OF WHAT I AM DOING.
UM, AND I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT IS, IT'S NOT AN AWNING.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, IF YOU WANT TO SEE THAT OR IF YOU WANNA PASS THAT, UM,
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NOT TO BE TOO REPETITIOUS, BUT JUST TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE MY POINT IS, UH, I THINK WE'D BE GIVING HER AN EXCEPTION OR GIVE THE BUSINESS PERSON A, UH, AN EXCEPTION, UM, TO PUT IN UNCONVENTIONAL AWNINGS IN A, IN A SITE, UM, THAT I, I'M ALL FOR, UH, IN, UH, GIVING BETTER EYESIGHT TO HER BUILDING OR ATTENTION TO HER BUILDING.BUT I DON'T THINK EVEN WHEN THESE AWNINGS ARE IN, WE'RE GONNA SEE 'EM FROM THE STREET.
AND MY CONCERN IS, UH, THAT IF WE APPROVE THESE OTHER PEOPLE WILL COME TO US FOR STRIPED AWNINGS ELSEWHERE.
THAT I DON'T THINK WILL FIT IN TO THE GENERAL FEELING OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND, UH, IT'S JUST MY OPINION, UH, I I DON'T THINK IT'LL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE VISIBILITY OF HER BUSINESS AS MUCH AS I WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
I'M NOT HUGELY, UM, IN FAVOR ON THE STRUCTURE OF THE STRIPE, EVEN IF HISTORICALLY SOME STRIPES HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO A TUDOR STRUCTURE, UM, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
BUT I AM ALSO NOT REALLY COMFORTABLE IN RESTRICTING THE AWNING TO JUST BLACK.
SO, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK BLACK WILL STAND OUT, I THINK BLACK WILL DISAPPEAR.
AND I THINK THERE WOULD, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT A SOLID COLOR OR MAYBE A DIFFERENT TWO COLOR DESIGN, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, MAY ACCOMPLISH BOTH GOALS.
ONE, UM, STAYING WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT, EVEN THOUGH NOT ON A HISTORIC PRO PROPERTY.
AND TWO, BRINGING, UH, EYE ATTENTION TO THE BUSINESS.
AND HOPEFULLY IM IMPROVING YOUR TRAFFIC IN THAT WAY.
AND I, IT'S NOT FOR ME TO SUGGEST THE COLOR, BUT I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME COLORS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BARBIE PINK, BUT THERE ARE SOME COLORS OUT THERE THAT MIGHT ACCOMPLISH THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY FEELING ON THIS, IS THAT I DON'T REALLY LIKE RESTRICTING IT TO ONLY BLACK ABOUT NEUTRAL COLORS, AND A NEUTRAL COLOR WOULD GIVE THE SAME EFFECT AS BLACK WOOD.
SO THEN WHAT KIND OF A COLOR? UM, I THINK IT HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP AT ONE POINT EARLY ON ABOUT THE GREEN OR BURGUNDY.
THOSE COLORS ARE SO DATED THAT IT WOULD JUST AGE THAT BUILDING AND PROBABLY ACTUALLY MAKE IT LOOK WORSE.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THIS BOOKLET, I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE ELSE YOU WOULD GO.
UM, I THINK IF YOU ACTUALLY DID LOOK THROUGH IT, YOU'D KIND OF BE SURPRISED.
AND, AND THAT'S, YOU'D UNDERSTAND HOW WE WOUND UP HERE.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, IF I MIGHT SUGGEST AN OPTION HERE FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION TO MAYBE MOVE THIS ALONG A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WHAT IF THE CONDITION WAS MODIFIED TO SAY THAT, UM, STAFF WOULD CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO CHOOSE A SOLID COLOR THAT IS AGREEABLE TO BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT? I WANTED TO BE CLEAR.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TWO COLORS ON THE AWNING.
UH, IT'S SIMPLY THE STRIPES, THE VERTICAL STRIPES AS WE SEE 'EM, SEEM VERY MUCH OUTTA PLACE.
I ALSO DON'T THINK, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO KEEP GOING ON LONGER
SO I THINK WE OUGHT MAKE A DECISION.
AND I ALSO JUST WANNA, JUST TO GO BACK TO YOUR POINT, JUST BECAUSE I WOULD VOTE FOR THIS HERE DOESN'T MEAN I WOULD VOTE FOR THIS ON ANOTHER BUILDING WHERE IT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE.
I FEEL I WOULD ONLY VOTE FOR THIS, AND I, IT ALSO DOESN'T MEAN I WOULD VOTE FOR ANY OF THE OTHER A PEOPLE TO HAVE THIS SAME HONOR THANK YOU ON THE BUILDING EITHER.
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YEAH, I AM, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO IMPLY THAT.YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK THAT WITH THIS CASE WE'RE NOW GONNA SEE STRIPED AWNINGS ON EVERY SINGLE HOUSE OR EVERY SINGLE BUILDING
UM, I THINK WE DO NEED TO BACK UP THOUGH.
WE, WE DO HAVE A PENDING WAIVER, THE SEVEN FOOT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OR, UM, ISSUES WITH THAT.
ANY DISCUSSION NEEDED ON THE WAIVER TO PERMIT SEVEN FOOT AS OPPOSED TO EIGHT FOOT, ALTHOUGH GOING TO EIGHT FOOT, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY IMPOSSIBLE ON THIS BUILDING YEAH.
WOULD HELP THE VISIBILITY ISSUE.
ARE WE READY? SOMEONE READY TO PRESENT A MOTION AND DO REALIZE THAT WE HAVE FOUR, SO IF IT'S AN EVEN VOTE, THE MOTION WILL FAIL.
WELL, I WOULD MOVE THAT, UH, ON THE WAIVER, UH, THAT WE WOULD, UH, ALLOW FOR THE WAIVER TO ALLOW THE INSTALLATION WITH A SEVEN FOOT CLEARANCE ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND FORGIVE ME JUST CLARIFYING, WE'RE VOTING ON THE SEVEN FOOT CLEARANCE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, CORRECT THEN? YES.
I'M GLAD YOU BIFURCATED THAT
NOW, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION FOR THE MI MINOR PROJECT REVIEW, UH, AS APPLIED WITH THE, WELL BRING UP THIS TOPIC, BUT, UH, WOULD WE WANT TO, UM, TABLE THE VOTE AND ALLOW THE STAFF AND THE OWNER WITH THE SAMPLE SWATCHES TO LOOK AT OTHER COLORS AND DESIGNS? OR DO WE JUST WANNA VOTE UP OR DOWN ON, UH, BLACK STRIPE OR BLACK? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CONSENSUS AS SARAH SUGGESTED.
UM, BUT UH, IF WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S NOT THAT OPPORTUNITY, THEN YOU'RE RIGHT, WE SHOULD JUST PROCEED.
AND IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON THE APPLICATION AS APPLIED WITH OR WITHOUT THE CONDITION, THEN THAT OPTION IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE.
I ASSUME IF SHE CAME TO US WITH BRIGHT RED, WE COULD CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE THAT WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
OR IS THIS ANY AWNING WOULD BE OFF THE TABLE ASKING STAFF IF A MOTION, IF, IF A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW, LET'S SAY WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS WERE J WERE REJECTED, COULD THE APPLICANT COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGN? ABSOLUTELY.
SO IT'S NOT, AND IS IT, IS IT THE APPLICANT'S OPTION TO TABLE THE MO TABLE THIS, UH, MINOR PROJECT REVIEW? THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO AGREE BASED UPON OUR DISCUSSION THAT SHE'S HEARD IF SHE, YEAH, BECAUSE IF WE PASS THE MOTION, HER OPTION IS, IS START OVER.
JUST PUT UP A SOLID, JUST START AGAIN WANTING, WELL, BEFORE WE DECIDE THAT, CAN I ASK STAFF WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE LENGTH OF TIME FOR THIS TO BE BROUGHT HERE? SO OUR MINOR PROJECT REVIEW PROCESS IS A SIX WEEK PROCESS FROM START TO FINISH.
SO AS SOON AS SHE SUBMITS AN APPLICATION UP TO THE HEARING DATE HERE, SO TO CONSIDER SOMETHING NEW AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AGAIN, YOU'RE ROUGHLY LOOKING AT SIX WEEKS.
WHY IS THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSION FOR MUCH LONGER THAN THAT? IS THAT TRUE? IN OTHER WORDS, I HEARD THE APPLICANT SAY THAT SHE'S A, HAD APPROACHED AND ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR GUIDANCE AND IT'S BEEN, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU SAID IT'S BEEN QUITE A WHILE THAT YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS ALREADY OR THOSE MEETINGS CALLED
UM, BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED, UM, ABOUT VISIBILITY.
UM, AND, UH, AND I, I CONTACTED THE AWNING COMPANY, THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED, AND THAT WAS IN JULY OF LAST YEAR.
THEN I SIGNED THE LEASE, WE GUTTED THE BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT TO DO MUCH OF ANYTHING.
AND WE'RE FINALLY JUST GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY
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STORE SIGN AND I HAVE ENOUGH TO DO THIS.SO, AND I'M HOPING IT WILL, MY INVESTMENT WILL, UH, BE WORTHWHILE.
SO THAT CLARIFIES FOR ME THOUGH, THAT, SO YOU DIDN'T BRING THE AWNING CHOICE A YEAR AGO.
YOU BROUGHT THE AWNING CHOICE RECENTLY TO GO THROUGH THE PROJECT.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
IF I CAN ALSO CLARIFY IF WE TABLE TILL NEXT, IF SHE REQUESTS THAT WE TABLE TILL NEXT MONTH, SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO REAPPLY, SHE CAN JUST MEET WITH STAFF TO TALK ABOUT AN ALTERNATIVE COLOR.
OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT SHE HAS TO START ALL OVER BECAUSE SHE WOULD NOT WANT, UH, BECAUSE SHE IS NOT, OR BECAUSE SHE IS GOING TO BE, WOULD BE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY ANOTHER COLOR? LET ME CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS IF I MIGHT.
SO THIS APPLICATION DID GET TO US ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO.
SO WE'VE BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING ON A TRUE APPLICATION FOR ABOUT THE SIX WEEKS.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, SINCE WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS HERE TONIGHT, I WOULD NOT SEE THIS TAKING THE FULL SIX WEEKS.
AND IN RARE OCCASIONS, WE HAVE COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD THE FOLLOWING MONTH.
SO I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO SKIP A MONTH, IF YOU WILL, INTO SEPTEMBER.
WE COULD COME BACK IN AUGUST IF THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY AGREED TO.
CAN I ASK YOU THIS, UH, HAS, AND THIS IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT.
AGAIN, HAVING HEARD THE DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD, DO YOU THINK THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO COMPROMISE? I THINK STAFF WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE DIFFERENT COLOR OPTIONS AND RIGHT.
BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S HOPEFUL THAT WE COULD FIND, YOU KNOW, AN ALTERNATIVE.
UM, BUT BEFORE WE WOULD OFFICIALLY, YOU KNOW, BRING SOMETHING FORWARD, WE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE AND SEE SOME SAMPLES.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE, WELL, WE SHOULD ASK THE APPLICANT, HAVING HEARD THE DISCUSSION AND STAFF'S COMMENTS, UM, DO YOU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER TABLING, WOULD THAT BE BENEFICIAL TO YOU AGAIN, KNOWING THAT IF IT'S A TIE VOTE, THE MOTION WILL FAIL? YES.
UM, AND WE WILL BE, UM, MR. KOTTER'S GONNA HAVE TO RECUSE THE NEXT TIME THIS COMES UP.
SO YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE A BOARD OF FOUR, POSSIBLY THREE IF ONE OF US CAN'T MAKE A MEETING,
UM, UH, I JUST, AGAIN, UM, I WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE BOOK BEFORE I CAME, UM, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER OPTION.
UM, I FEEL LIKE EVERYTHING THAT I HEARD FROM THE PRELIMINARY WAS NEUTRAL AND BLACK.
SO IF THE PRELIMINARY STAFF IS WILLING TO TRY TO HELP ELEVATE THAT IN A WAY, UM, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN COME TO A, A MUTUAL CONCLUSION BECAUSE AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU EVEN LOOK AT THE SIDE HERE, YOU SEE THE ORANGE, YOU, SORRY, THE ORANGE, THE TURQUOISE, UM, UH, THERE'S A KELLY GREEN.
I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE DOWN THERE.
UM, I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE, UM, UH, DISTRACTING.
UM, THEY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BLEND IN WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OR THE, THE STONE AND THE, THE ROOF AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE, I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW WE CAN, I MEAN, DO ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OF A COLOR THAT YOU FEEL LIKE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? I WOULD LOVE TO, BUT I'M AFRAID I'D MISLEAD YOU.
I MEAN, I HAVE TALKED TO WE NESS AND ARCHITECTS, UM, AND THEY ALL KIND OF FEEL THE SAME WAY.
IN FACT, A LOT OF THEM HAVE SAID, YOU NEED SOMETHING BOLD.
YOU NEED SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T BLEND IN.
BUT TO ME, I FEEL LIKE THAT DOES NOT HELP SUPPORT OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN.
UM, SO I, I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT.
I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A SINGLE COLOR.
I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
AND EVEN IF YOU'RE SAYING A MULTICOLOR, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MULTICOLOR IN HERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL FA THEY'RE ALL BEAUTIFUL.
UM, BUT A LOT OF THEM WOULD BE NEUTRALS.
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A TOP AND A, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE THREE COLORED AS WELL, WHICH IS, IS NOT ENOUGH OPTION.UM, SO THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, CREAM AND BEIGE, UM, OR TOP OR, UM, I, I MEAN, I CAN SHOW YOU
WELL, RATHER THAN, UH, SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T IMAGINE ANOTHER COLOR, WOULD YOU CONSIDER WORKING WITH STAFF TO CONSIDER JOINTLY WHAT COULD BE OUT THERE? I, I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I ALSO THOUGH WONDER, UM, UM, AND I DON'T WANNA SOUND RUDE BY SAYING THIS, BUT IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PLANNING THAT HAS, UM, LIKE A DESIGN BACKGROUND WITH COLOR OR, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD HELP WITH THAT? UM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE WE CAN FIND SOMETHING THAT KIND OF MEETS THE, SORRY, THE ARCHITECTURE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF IT TOGETHER.
UM, HOW WE CAN COME TO TERMS WITH THAT
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY ALL ARE DESIGNERS.
YOU WHO IS I, I THEY ALL ARE DESIGNERS.
UH, I MEANT MORE OF LIKE AN INTERIOR, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, THE COLOR PALETTE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WELL, THEY'RE ARCHITECTS, THEY'RE TRAINED ARCHITECTS.
I ALL, EVERYONE ON THE PLANNING, I DID NOT HAVE ANY IDEA PLANNERS.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER BEEN THROUGH THIS AND I HOPE I DON'T
MARK, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? I SAW YOU TURN YOUR LIGHT ON.
UM,
SO IT WOULD GO ON OUR AUGUST AGENDA, UM, TO REWORK THROUGH YOUR SAMPLES AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S APPROPRIATE, UM, TO PRESENT WITH US, MAYBE A MORE AGREED OPTION, HOPEFULLY.
UM, OR DO YOU WANT US TO MAKE A, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT OUR MOTION WOULD BE AT THIS POINT.
SOMEBODY'S GOTTA MAKE A MOTION.
UM, WELL, I THINK THE MOTION WOULD BE TO, UH, FOR THE APPROVAL OF MINOR PROJECT REVIEW WITH CONDITION, WHICH SHE WOULD THEN HAVE THE, THAT THE COLOR AND PATTERN THAT PROPOSED AWNINGS BE REVISED TO SOLID BLACK, THAT AND THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S ONE OPTION.
THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO TAKE OUT THE CONDITION AT ALL.
UM, SO THAT'S, WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
WE'RE ASKING IF YOU WOULD RATHER US TABLE IT AND WE CAN HAVE THAT MOTION ON THE TABLE AS WELL.
UM, SO IF WE GO BACK TO AUGUST, UM, WOULD IT BE A COMPARISON TO THE STRIPE? ARE WE COMPLETELY ELIMINATING THE STRIPE? UM, BECAUSE WE, I COULD BRING ANOTHER PATTERN TO YOU AND YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE THAT.
THE HOPE IS THAT YOU WOULD WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH A, A, A JOINT AGREED PATTERN THAT YOU'D BRING TO US.
THAT MAY BE A SOLID PATTERN, BUT
UM, I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT IF WE ARE TRYING TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS REGARDING YOUR BUSINESS PLAN, I APPRECIATE THAT AND, AND VISIBILITY.
UM, AND THEREFORE, I AM SUGGESTING THAT PERHAPS THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT OF A EITHER A TWO COLOR AWNING PATTERN.
WE SPOKE OF CHATTA LANE OR A SINGLE COLOR THAT'S MORE BOLD PERHAPS, OR MAYBE WE GET NOWHERE.
AND
SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU AND THE STAFF TO WORK TOGETHER TO TRY AND, UH, FIND A MUTUALLY AGREE UPON PATTERN OR SOLID COLOR THAT WILL GIVE YOU VISIBILITY AND ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS.
AND ALSO, UM, NOT BE, YOU KNOW, GARISH OR, UM, OFFENSIVE TO THE HISTORIC NATURE OF WHERE YOUR BUILDING IS LOCATED.
AND I HOPE I'M SAYING THAT ARTFULLY ENOUGH TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE IN A, A BIT OF A MIXED VIEW ON THIS MM-HMM
AND I THINK THAT THE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU'LL HAVE IN THE COMING MONTH WILL BE, UM, ILLUMINATED BY THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD.
AND SO IT'LL BE DIFFERENT FROM THE
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LAST SIX WEEKS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA JUST BE REHASHING OLD STUFF.
I, I'M WILLING TO MEET WITH, UM, TAYLOR AND SARAH AGAIN, UM, OR WHOEVER THAT WOULD BE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT.
UM, AS LONG AS THE, THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS THAT WILL BE VISIBLE, THAT WON'T JUST BLEND IN LIKE THE BLACK, BECAUSE THEN THERE'S NO POINT IN WASTING YOUR TIME OR ANY ANYONE'S TIME OF ME EVEN COMING BACK.
AND I, I THINK THE BOARD UNDERSTANDS THAT CONCERN.
AND SO WE'LL EXPECT ALL THE PARTIES.
I APPRECIATE, I AM HEARING THAT FROM ALL OF YOU, WHICH I AM THRILLED.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, A PART OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WHEN YOU DISCUSS IT.
SO WITH THAT, ARE YOU REQUESTING THAT WE TABLE IT FOR FURTHER SO THAT YOU CAN, SO THAT THE PARTIES CAN JUST FURTHER DISCUSS IT? OKAY.
CAN I, DO I, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT.
I'LL MOVE TO TABLE THE, UH, UM, CASE NUMBER, SORRY.
I'LL MOVE TO TABLE CASE NUMBER TWO FIVE DASH 0 5 9 MPR, WHICH IS CONCERNING THE AWNINGS ON 55 SOUTH HIGH STREET.
WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THE WAIVER REQUESTED IN THE NPR, BUT NOW WE ARE TABLING THE, UH, FINAL DECISION OF THE NPR IN ORDER FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TO, UH, LOOK AT COLOR COMBINATIONS, UH, THAT MAY MEET BOTH NEEDS BEFORE THERE'S A SECOND.
CAN WE CLARIFY? WE'RE POSTPONING, SINCE WE KNOW THE DATE WE WANNA HEAR IT ON, WE'RE POSTPONING.
I'LL, I'LL MODIFYING MY MOTION TO SAY TO POSTPONE.
THE DECISION ON THIS CASE UNTIL THE AUGUST, 2025 A RB HEARING.
CAN I JUST MODIFY THAT MOTION TO SAY WE'RE POSTPONING IT TILL THE AUGUST MEETING FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND NOT NECESSARILY PUT FORWARD WHAT WE THINK SHOULD HAPPEN? YOU CAN AFTER A SECOND.
THE MOTION YOU MOVE TO AMEND WHAT'S YOUR AMENDMENT MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO JUST MERELY SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO POSTPONE IT TILL THE AUGUST MEETING SO THAT THE APPLICANT AND STAFF CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION AROUND, UH, THE, WHAT THE AWNING SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE THINK THEY SHOULD COME TO.
IS THAT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? MS? IT'S FRIENDLY.
DO YOU CONSIDER IT A IT'S FINE.
SO NOW YOU'RE SECOND IS YOUR SECOND DEGREE? YES.
THANK GOD FOR YOU HILLARY AND JAMIE.
JAMIE'S A GOOD PARLIAMENTARIAN TOO.
THANK YOU AND I APPRECIATE IT.
UH, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTION.
THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH STAFF AND, AND WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO AN AGREEMENT.
NOW WE NEED TO GET MS. CUTTER CUTTER BACK IN THE ROOM.
CAN SOMEONE GO DO THAT? PLEASE? THANK YOU.
IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SO HARD.
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NON-BUSINESS DISCUSSION AT THE TIME.IT CANNOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PUBLIC BODY'S DIS WELL, WE, I HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMUNICATIONS.
IN YOUR PACKETS THIS MONTH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE'S, UM, A DISTINCT UPTICK IN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS AND THIS IS AS ANTICIPATED WITH THE NEW CODE UPDATES THAT WE DID IN LATE 2024.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY THESE ALL MEET WITH YOUR APPROVAL AND CONCURRENCE, PLEASE LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS, BUT WE ARE VERY, VERY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO OFFER A GREAT MANY MORE NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS FOR FOLKS IN THE DISTRICT.
HAVE YOU HEARD BACK FROM MEMBERS OF THE DISTRICT, I'M SURE THE APPLICANTS THAT THIS IS A BETTER SYSTEM FOR THEM? UM, I THINK
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GENERALLY PEOPLE ARE PLEASED.YES, THERE'S BEEN, UM, A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE LIKE FOR 36, 38 NORTH HIGH, THE NEW BUILD, UM, WHERE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO APPROVE SIGNS AND PORCH FANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT HAVE GONE VERY QUICKLY AND THEY HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY PLEASED.
SO I HAVE TWO REALLY EXCITING THINGS TO REPORT ON AS WELL.
THE FIRST IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE DOMINI MAP.
AND THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER BY NEWTON DOMINI IN THE 1950S.
HE WAS A VERY WELL KNOWN, UM, DUBLIN HISTORIAN AND DID A LOT OF AMAZING THINGS.
I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A TOWNSHIP TRUSTEE AT ONE POINT.
HE HAD A LOT OF LOCAL INFLUENCE AND IN THE 1950S HE ACTUALLY DREW HAND DREW A MAP OF DOWNTOWN DUBLIN BASED ON WHAT HE REMEMBERED GROWING UP.
AND WE HAVE THIS ACTUALLY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DUBLIN HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
THEY HAVE IT, THEY HAVE BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO SHOW IT TO US AND ALLOW US TO TAKE SOME PICTURES AND WE'RE GONNA BE PARTNERING WITH THEM TO TURN THIS VERY FRAGILE OLD BUT GIANT PAPER MAP INTO AN ELECTRONIC RESOURCE THAT WE CAN SHARE AND ENHANCE SO THAT WE CAN READ A LOT OF VERY, UM, AT THIS POINT FADED PENCIL WRITING AND DETAILS AND DESCRIPTIONS.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO BE ABLE TO ELECTRONICALLY ADD MORE INFORMATION TO THIS MAP AT SOME POINT AND REALLY USE IT AS A RESOURCE FOR BOTH THE SOCIETY AND FOR THE CITY.
SO THIS HAS BEEN A VERY EXCITING PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'RE UNDERTAKING.
THE SECOND THING IS, AS WE WERE DOING THE CODE AND THE GUIDELINE UPDATES AND VARIOUS PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE NOTICED THAT THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL ASSESSMENT DID NOT COVER OUTBUILDINGS OR HISTORIC OBJECTS.
AND WE HAVE UNDERTAKEN AND CONTRACTED WITH KAREN BOKER, WHO'S OUR KNOWN AND TRUSTED CONSULTANT TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON THESE OBJECTS AND CREATE SEPARATE HCA PAGES FOR THEM.
SO THE PROPERTY MARKER AT 91 SOUTH HIGH AT JEAN'S RESTAURANT, THE PAULIS UH, MOUNTING BLOCK AT 1 0 9 SOUTH HIGH.
AND SOME OF THESE OTHER OUTBUILDINGS PRIVY ADDITIONAL WALLS ARE BEING INVESTIGATED AND ADDED TO OUR HCA LIST AT THE SAME TIME, UM, KAREN IS HELPING TO REVIEW ADDITIONAL APPENDIX G PROPERTIES.
NOW THOSE ARE GONNA HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU AND BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO BE SORT OF ADOPTED INTO THE DISTRICT.
ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW ARE THE GORDON BARNES AT THE CORNER OF HIGHLAND CROIX AND POST ROAD.
NOW THE CITY OWNS THAT PROPERTY AND WE'LL BE DEVELOPING IT FOR A PARK YOU ALL, SINCE IT IS NOT APPENDIX G YOU WILL NOT BE REVIEWING THAT AS THEY DEVELOP THE PARK PLANS.
HOWEVER, WE WANT TO SORT OF RETROACTIVELY GET IT ON APPENDIX G SO IT CAN BE PROTECTED.
ROTI IS WORKING WITH PARKS AND RECREATION RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DESIGNS TREAT THE PROPERTY AS IF IT WERE ON APPENDIX G, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT YET.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT BACKWARDS, BUT WE'LL GET IT ON THE, ON THAT LIST.
WE HAVE SOME OTHER PROPERTIES IN MIND AS WELL, AND THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER PROCESS, BUT YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT AS WE GO.
UM, THE FINAL THING I WANNA HIGHLIGHT IS JUST A REMINDER THAT IN SEPTEMBER WE HAVE THE JOINT WORK SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL AND THAT'S
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WHERE ALL THE BOARDS AND CITY COUNCILORS GET TOGETHER.AND CITY COUNCIL IS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM EACH BOARD WHAT HAVE BEEN YOUR STRUGGLES, GREAT SUCCESSES, AND WHAT AREAS COULD COUNCIL HELP YOU MORE.
SO IF YOU COULD BE THINKING ABOUT THAT FOR SEPTEMBER, THAT WOULD BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
AND I'M, I THINK I WANNA SAY IT'S THE 22ND.
JAMIE, DO YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOUND RIGHT? EARLY? OH, EARLY IN THE MONTH.
I KNEW THERE WAS A TWO IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
SO THEY'LL BE VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM YOU.
JUST AS ONE POINT OF ORDER, I AM NOT HERE FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND FOR THE JOINT SESSION I'LL BE IN GREECE.
SO, UH, UH, SO MAYBE JUST AS A, I'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL MAYBE FROM THE THREE THINGS.
I'LL SEND EVERYBODY AN EMAIL AND JUST MAYBE IF YOU JUST NOTE DOWN A FEW THINGS AND I'LL MAYBE PUT SOMETHING WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE I GUESS YOU'LL HAVE TO GIVE THE STATUS OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE STATE OF THE UNION, YOU MIGHT SAY.
UH, ANYTHING FOR STAFF? ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? NOPE.
WE WILL HAVE A FULL AGENDA, YOU THINK? YES.
I LOOK A GOOD ONE TO BE IN GREECE.
EFFICIENCY WILL BE THE, THE WATCH WORD,
SO IF NOTHING ELSE AND I SAY WE'RE ADJOURNED.