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EVENING EVERYBODY.AND, UH, WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUB DUBLIN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD MEETING BEING HELD AT 5 5 5 PERIMETER DRIVE.
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JUDY, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL MR. COTTER? HERE.
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MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE DISCUSSION OF PERSONNEL, PERSONAL PERSONNEL MATTERS, CONSIDERATION FOR PUBLIC APPOINTMENTS.[ELECTION OF OFFICERS]
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ST.I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ELECT MS. DAMER AS VICE CHAIR FOR A ONE YEAR TERM.
I, I THINK, UH, ON MY, ON MY, UH, BOARD MINUTES, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PLEDGE ON HERE, SO I I'VE GOT IT.
SO IF WE CAN START THEM, IF EVERYBODY CAN SAY 'EM, WE CAN START THE MEETING WITH THE PLEDGE.
P UNITED STATES OF AMERICA REPUBLIC ONE NATION UNDER JUSTICE.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE A RB MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 21ST, 2025.SO FOR THE CASE PROCEDURES, THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION AND MODIFICATIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO ANY SITE IN THE ARAB AREA SUBJECT TO ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
UNDER THE PROVISION OF ZONING CODE SECTION 1 5 3 0.170, THE BOARD HAS A DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY ON THESE CASES.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THE CASES THIS EVENING MUST BE SWORN IN.
SO IF ANYBODY IS, UH, WANTING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD THIS EVENING, EVENING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? GOOD.
UM, SO FROM THE PUBLIC, FROM THE ORIGINAL AGENDA THAT WAS, UH, SUBMITTED TO THE PUBLIC, UH, WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF THE CASES THIS EVENING TO HEAR 16 NORTH HIGH FIRST.
SO WE'D LIKE TO ALTER THE ORDER, UH, ON THOSE CASES.
SO COULD I HAVE, UH, SO I'LL SAY I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE AGENDA TO HEAR 16 NORTH HIGH SLASH TERIYAKI MADDEN MADNESS.
FIRST, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE THE CASE NUMBER? UH, I'LL DO THAT.
SO THE FIRST ONE WILL BE CASE NUMBER 25 0 4 9 MPR TERIYAKI MAX.
[Case #25-049MPR]
UH, 2 5 0 4 9.REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW FOR BUILDING AND SITE MODIFICATION.
THE ZERO POINT 26 ACRE SITE IS ZONE HDHC, HISTORIC CORE DISTRICT IN IS LOCATED AT 16TH NORTH HIGH STREET.
READY? GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS AND THANK YOU FOR THE PROJECT INTRODUCTION.
THE 0.26 ACRE SITE IS LOCATED NORTHEAST AT THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH HIGH STREET AND EAST BRI STREET.
THE SITE IS ZONE HISTORIC DISTRICT HISTORIC COAL WITH HISTORIC COAL ON THE NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST OF THE PROPERTY AND HISTORIC DISTRICT HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS ACROSS BLACKSMITH LANE.
THE BOARD PROVIDED NON-BINDING FEEDBACK EARLIER THIS YEAR ON THE PROPOSAL AND RECOMMENDED THAT RECOMMENDED THE REMOVAL OF THE UNAPPROVED HVAC UNIT AND RECOMMENDED THAT THE RELOCATION OF DUMPSTERS, UM, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED OR ADDITIONAL SCREENING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AND SUPPORTED THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY AND THE OFFSITE PARKING PLAN.
ALSO IN FEBRUARY, 2024, UH, BOARD APPROVED DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING SHED, WHICH IS AT THE RARE OF UH, 22 KNOT AND THE OUTBUILDING, WHICH IS UM, FACING NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE AS BECAUSE BOTH THE SHED AND THE OUTBUILDING MET THE DEMOLITION CRITERIA.
16 NORTH HIGH STREET IS INDIVIDUALLY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, AND THIS WAS BUILT AROUND 1843.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH A RECTANGLE OF FOOTPRINT AND TWO STORY CORE.
THERE ARE TWO GABLE WALL DORMERS IN THE FACADE AND THE BUILDING USES LIMESTONE AND STANDING SEEING METAL ROOF.
THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY AWAKENED.
THESE ARE SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SIDE.
ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WE CAN SEE THE EXISTING OUTBUILDING, UM, AND
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THE EXISTING CMU MACHINERY THAT SUPPOSE THE OUTBUILDING.AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WE CAN SEE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS FROM BLACKSMITH LANE, UM, WHICH HAS A MIX OF BOTH GRAVEL AS WELL AS ASPHALT PAVING.
THESE ARE SOME SURROUNDING CONDITIONS.
ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS 22 NORTH.
THIS IS LOCATED ON THE SAME PARCEL.
UM, AND THIS IS A, A QUEEN AND STYLE BUILDING.
AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS EIGHT B EAST BRIDGE STREET, UM, WHICH IS UM, TOWARDS THE SOUTH OF THE BUILDING.
AS DISCUSSED AT THE INFORMAL REVIEW, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SOME SIGNED IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS SOME BUILDING, UH, IMPROVEMENTS OR ENHANCEMENT TO THE LANDMARK BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE A NEW RESTAURANT USE.
THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES REMOVING THE CURRENT VEHICULAR AXIS, WHICH IS FROM NORTH HIGH STREET AND CREATING A PEDESTRIAN PATH BETWEEN 16 UM, NORTH AND 22 NORTH.
UH, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THE AIM IS TO RESTORE THE AREA TO MASH THE SURROUNDING CONDITIONS WHEN THE CURB PLUS WILL BE CLOSED AND THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, UM, IT'LL CREATE A CORRIDOR THAT WOULD CONNECT HIGH STREET TO THE PARKING AND THEN IN THE FUTURE TO BLACKSMITH LANE, IT'LL BE ENHANCED BY FOUNDATION PLANTINGS ON BOTH THE SIDES.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT GRAVEL, WHICH IS AT THE ENTRY OF THE NOT BLACKSMITH LANE AND PAVING IT WITH ASPHALT AND THEN RES STRIPING THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT, UM, TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE PARKING ACCOMMODATED ALONG WITH ONE AREA PARKING SPOT.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO RECITING THE EXISTING OUTBUILDING AND ENCLOSING IT WITH SOME PANELS AND THEN THE DUMPSTER IS BEING LOCATED AT THE REAR OF 22 NORTH.
UM, IF YOU REMEMBER, UM, AT THE INFORMAL, THE DUMPSTER WAS LOCATED BEHIND 16 NORTH AND IT WAS SEEN AS SOON AS YOU APPROACH.
SO THIS IS NOW RELOCATED AND UM, OUT THERE.
UM, AND LASTLY, UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SOME PATIO FURNITURE IN THE FRONT OF THE AREA FOR THE RESTAURANT USE.
UM, THERE IS A FENCE THAT IS BEING SHOWN ON THE APPLICATION.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS NO LONGER PROPOSING THAT FENCE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.
WE HAD, UH, DISCUSSIONS DUE TO THE EXISTING TREES.
STAFF IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE TREES, UM, AS WELL AS THE LOCATION OF DEFENSE AND HOW IT WOULD DISTURB THE TREES.
SO, UM, THE APPLICANT WILL WORK ON FINDING A SOLUTION, EITHER MAYBE A VEGETATIVE SCREENING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SHOULD THE APPLICANT CHOOSE THAT THEY WANT TO DO THE FENCE, IT'LL REQUIRE ANOTHER MINOR PROJECT AND THEY'LL COME BACK IN THE FUTURE.
UM, WITH THAT THERE ARE SOME PROPOSED BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS TOO, BUT TO BASICALLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE RESTAURANT USE.
UM, A NEW TYPE TWO EXHAUST HOSES REQUIRED FOR THIS RESTAURANT USE AND CODE REQUIRES THAT ALL THE ROOF MOUNT AND MECHANICAL EQUIPMENTS MUST BE COMPLETELY SCREENED, UM, FROM ALL GROUND LEVEL.
UM, ANGLES ON ALL SIDES OF THE STRUCTURE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING UM, 16 FEET BY 10 FEET AND APPROXIMATELY SEVEN FOOT TALL, UM, SCREENING ALL AROUND THAT HOOD AREA.
UM, AT THE INFORMAL, THE HOOD WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
UM, AND IT WAS COMBINED WITH THE RIGHT CABLE, GIVEN HOW THE INTERNAL LOCATION IS AND THEY WANT TO USE THIS SPACE, WHICH IS UNOCCUPIED.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, THIS IS THE PREFERRED LOCATION BY THE APPLICANT AND IT KIND OF ALIGNS WITH THEIR INTERNAL LAYOUT AND INTERNAL UM, UM, BASICALLY LAYOUT AS WELL.
THIS SCREENING WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION, BUT IT'LL BE VISIBLE WHEN YOU APPROACH FROM NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE.
NOW, UM, NEXT FEW UM, ITEMS WOULD BE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
THIS IS WHAT IS STAFF RECOMMENDING AND THEREFORE INCLUDED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UM, GRAVEL BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, WHICH IS 16 KNOT AND 22 KNOT.
DURING THE PREVIOUS INFORMALS.
AND EVEN WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN APPROVAL, IT WAS ALWAYS ANTICIPATED THAT THIS IS GOING TO BECOME THE PEDESTAL CORRIDOR AND CONNECT BASICALLY THE TWO STREETS.
UM, ALTOGETHER, UH, FIRSTLY, GRAVEL IS NOT A PERMITTED MATERIAL AND SECONDLY, UM, IT'LL HAVE AREA D ISSUES FROM PARKING TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING.
SO STAFF RECOMMEND CONCERNING SOME ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS AND STAFF AND APPLICANT HAD FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THIS.
APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO USE BRICK PAVER PATH INSTEAD OF GRAVEL BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS.
UM, AND ON THE FRONT OF THE ELEVATIONS, UH, WE CAN SEE SOME UNAPPROVED HVAC UNITS, WHICH AT THE INFORMAL REVIEW BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT THEY BE INSTALLED.
SO APPLICANT WILL REMOVE THOSE.
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IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THERE ARE TWO STORM DOORS WHICH ARE INSTALLED ON THE FRONT FACADE.UM, STAFF DID SOME, UM, RESEARCH AND FINDINGS AND COULD NOT FIND ANY APPROVALS FOR THESE STORM DOORS.
THESE STORM DOORS ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING, NEITHER THEY DO HAVE ANY HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THESE DOOR BE REMOVED AS WELL.
AND THIS IS INCLUDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL WORK CODE.
IF THERE IS ANY SITE IMPROVEMENT OR ANY PARKING IMPROVEMENT TO THE SITE, THE SITE MUST BE BOUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE AND BECAUSE OF THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE GRAVEL THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE OUTBUILDING BE, UM, SEATED OR THERE SHOULD BE ANY, SOME OTHER RESTORATION PLANS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THIS BE SEATED JUST BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INACCESSIBLE PARKING, THIS GARAGE IS NOT GOING TO BE USED AS A PARKING.
AND FURTHERMORE, IT'LL ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY TO THE NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE REDEVELOPMENT WITH THE RIVERVIEW VILLAGE PROJECT AS WELL.
THE CODE OUTLINES THAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS SHOULD BE MET ON SITE OFFSITE OR WITH ANY PARKING OR WITH ANY PARKING STRUCTURES THAT ARE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF 600 FEET.
BASED ON THE INDOOR AND THE OUTDOOR SEATING, 20 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED INCLUDING 180 8 PARKING SPOTS.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THREE ON THE SITE AND REST OF THIS IS, UM, SUPPORTED BY THE NEARBY PARKING STRUCTURES WITH WHICH ARE ALL WITHIN THE LIMITS OF 600 FEET.
UM, WITH ANY, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF BIKE PARKING IS REQUIRED AS WELL, WHICH IS ON THE RATIO OF ONE IS TO 10.
UM, ANY REDEVELOPMENT WHICH HAS A PARKING REQUIREMENT OF SIX PARKING SPACES THAT TRIGGERS THE BIKE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TWO BIKE PARKING SPOTS, WHICH IS LOCATED WHERE THE YELLOW CIRCLE IS.
AT THE LAST MEETING, THE UH, BOARD MEMBERS INQUIRED ABOUT THE, IF THERE IS ADEQUATE PARKING WITHIN THE DISTRICT OR NOT, AND STAFF SHARED THAT.
UM, THEY'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE DOWNTOWN DUBLIN CURBSIDE MANAGEMENT THAT WAS ADOPTED RECENTLY BY COUNCIL.
UM, AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH SHOWS THAT THERE IS AMPLE PARKING WITHIN THE DISTRICT FOR, UM, THE VISITORS AND THE USERS TO PARK LISTED HERE ARE SOME MATERIALS FOR THE ROOFTOP SCREENING HARDIE STAGGERED EDGE PANEL SIDING IS BEING PROPOSED IN IRON O COLOR, WHICH WILL MASH THE COLOR OF THE ROOF FOR THE TRASH ENC CLOSER.
YELLOW PINE SIDING IS PROPOSED IN A TAN COLOR FOR THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED LIMESTONE GRAVEL AS DISCUSSED EARLIER, THIS APPLICANT HAS NOW CONSTRAINED TO USE BRICK BAYERS.
HOWEVER, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY DETAILS YET.
SO THAT IS INCLUDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR THE BIKERACK BRONZE FINISH.
POWDER COATED OPEN SHAPED BIKE RACKS ARE PROPOSED FOR THE OUTBUILDING.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS PLANNING TO USE SOME HARDY ARCHITECTURAL PANELS IN TAN AND OFF-WHITE COLOR AND PAINTING THE EXISTING CMU IN THE SAME COLORS AS WELL.
ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, UM, APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A LIGHT ON THE FRONT FACADE, WHICH IS A HIGHLIGHT WALL-MOUNTED FIXTURE TO HIGHLIGHT THE SIGN.
UM, CURRENTLY THERE IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPLICATION GOING ON FOR TERIYAKI MADNESS, WALL-MOUNTED SIGN, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
STAFF HAS INCLUDED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT UH, WE NEED MORE DETAILS LIKE HEIGHT AND THE WATTAGE AND THE OUTPUT SO THAT IT DOESN'T, UM, COINCIDE WITH WHERE THE SIGN INSTALLATION IS.
WE KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHT IS, BUT WITH THE LIGHT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY DETAILS.
AT THE REAR, THERE IS A LIGHTING THAT IS NON-COMPLIANCE.
APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT WITH TRACK LINEAR ANGLE WAT MOUNT LIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AT THE REAR FACADE.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AT THE BOTTOM YOU SEE THE PATIO FURNITURE, WHICH IS IN A COMBINATION OF RED, WHITE, AND BLACK.
UM, THE UMBRELLA IS UM, FROM UMBRELLA SOURCE IN A LOGO, RED COLOR, AND THE UMBRELLA BASES.
AND THE POLE IS IN WHITE COLOR AND THE FURNITURE IS POWDER COATED WITH BLACK FINISH.
THE A, UM, STAFF HAS INCLUDED A CONDITION THAT BOTH THE POLE AND THE BASE BE BLACK IN COLOR SO THAT THE ENTIRE FURNITURE IS COHESIVE AND THE UMBRELLA IS RED.
WITH THIS, UM, LISTED HERE ARE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW CRITERIA.
MOST OF THE CRITERIA ARE EITHER MET OR THEY'RE MET WITH CONDITIONS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW WITH FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL REMOVE THE UNAPPROVED HVAC INSTALLATION ON THE NORTH ELEVATION AS WELL AS STORM DOORS ON THE FRONT FACADE.
THE APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE APPROPRIATE RESTORATION DETAILS IF FENESTRATION WERE MADE INTO THE HISTORIC STONE FACADE.
THE APPLICANT SHALL REVISE THE DRAWINGS TO SHOW THE FALLING PRIOR TO BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH INCLUDES THE BRICK PAPER PATHWAY REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING GRAVEL WITH SEEDING
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ALONG NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE HARDWARE DETAILS, UMBRELLA BASE AND THE POLE AND BACKER LIGHTING FIXTURE DETAILS, WHICH INCLUDES RESTORATION, INSTALLATION, HEIGHT, DETAILS AND WATT, ET CETERA.AND REMOVAL OF THE SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LOT.
THE APPLICANT MUST ALSO ENSURE THAT THE ALL FURNITURE IS STORED DURING AN OFF SEASON AT AN OFFSITE LOCATION AND THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE A STRIPING AND ASSIGNING PLAN, UM, IF ON STREET PARKING SPACES CAN TAKE PLACE WHERE THE CURRENT CURB FLOOD WILL GET CLOSED.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE THE APPLICANT IN ATTENDANCE AS WELL.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? I HAVE A QUESTION.
WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO USING THE, UM, SAME COLOR ON THE HARDY BOARD? AS FOR THE ENCLOSURE, FOR THE TRASH RECEPTACLE AREA? BECAUSE I KNOW ONE IS COTTONWOOD AND THE OTHER ONE IS JOGGING PATH TAN WITH GREEK VILLA.
I JUST WONDERED IF IT HAD BEEN CONSIDERED TO USE THE SAME COLORS.
NO, JUST BECAUSE BOTH THE TWO COLORS WERE QUITE CLOSE TO EACH OTHER AND WHEREVER THEY'RE BEING USED, THEY'RE TOO FAR AND WITHIN, NOT WITHIN THE SAME VICINITY.
I DON'T HAVE, I DO MAYBE FOR THE APPLICANT A COUPLE OF QUE I MEAN, I THINK WHAT THERE IS GOOD, I HAVE A COUPLE MAYBE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OUTBUILDING JUST, UH, THAT MIGHT BE BETTER FOR THE APPLICANT THAN FOR THE CITY.
I, GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS, ELIZA IDAHO, FOUR ONE, UH, 4 0 1 WEST TOWN STREET, UH, TIM LIVE, SAME ADDRESS.
'CAUSE I, I TOOK A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT THE, OUT THE FRONT.
I THINK FOR ME IT LOOKS IS IN GOOD, GOOD SHAPE.
THE OUTBUILDING THOUGH, AS I LOOKED A LITTLE CLOSER, I MEAN YOU HAVE A DEMOLITION, YOU HAVE AN, UH, LET'S SAY AN ONGOING DEMOLITION, UH, I DUNNO, WHAT DO WE CALL IT, UH, APPROVAL.
UM, AND AS I LOOKED AT THE BUILDING A LITTLE MORE, I MEAN THE, THE STRUCTURALLY IN THE BACK YOU CAN START TO SEE FROM THE ROOF AND THE BACK.
THERE'S A LOT OF SPOTS NOW THAT, THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THROUGH.
AND FOR ME, LOOKING AT THE BUILDING, IT'S NOT, IT'S IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE.
AND JUST WANT TO KIND OF GET YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE CERTAINLY THE, THAT THEORY, THAT ROAD BEHIND THERE NOW BECOMES QUITE A, AS TIME GOES ON, WILL BECOME QUITE A, UH, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, A VERY BUSY SPOT.
AND JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A BIT YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHY NOT TEAR IT DOWN.
AND FOR ME, JUST PUTTING THE HARDY BOARDS UP, I I, I THINK IT DOESN'T, IT WON'T ADDRESS THE, THE, THE, THE, I MEAN THE, THE, THE BUILDING IS GONNA DETERIORATE.
I MEAN IT'S DETERIORATING NOW, BUT IT'S GONNA DETERIORATE CERTAINLY MORE AND MORE AND AS WE CLOSE IT UP AND NO, I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA BECOME A PROBLEM IN THE AREA AND I JUST KINDA WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHY YOU'RE GONNA KEEP IT VERSUS DOING SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT AND, AND, AND, AND JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT KIND OF A BETTER, A BETTER LOOKING SPOT ON FROM THE STREET.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE AND THE BUILDING OWNER BOTH AGREE, YOU KNOW, WE VIEW THE SAME IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT, THAT OUR BUILDING SHOULD COME DOWN.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR US IT'S MORE LIKE A MATTER OF TIME AND YOU KNOW, THE ALLOCATION OF THE RESOURCES.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE OWNER, THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCES BEING USED IN THIS PHASE OF THE PROJECT IS TRULY THE SITE IMPROVEMENT.
THE SITE IMPROVEMENT, YOU KNOW, IN INCLUDING MOSTLY THE IMMEDIATE SITE AROUND 16 NORTH HIGH STREET AND ALSO THE INTERIOR, WHICH IS TO PUT THE RESTAURANT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT OPERATION.
YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, OUR ULTIMATE DESIRE TO TAKE DOWN THAT BUILDING.
AND RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGING DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS TO GIVE US THE PRICING ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DOES IT, YOU KNOW, COST TO TAKE DOWN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR BUILDING AND ALSO TO, YOU KNOW, UH, REMOVE THE GRAVEL AND ALSO TO SEED TO SEED IT.
SO THE REASON THAT WE KIND OF PROPOSED TO PUT SOME, YOU KNOW, HARDIE BOARD, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF BEAUTIFY THE FOR NOW IS, IS MORE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, PLAN B, YOU KNOW, IF THE COST, YOU KNOW, IF THE COST TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, COMES BACK TOO HIGH.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH
AND I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT IS I THINK THE COST IS OBVIOUSLY IS A BIG CONCERN.
IT'S NOT SO MUCH TO TAKE DOWN A BUILDING BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY GONNA BE COST TOO MUCH MONEY.
IT'S MORE ABOUT THE RETAINING WALL BEHIND IT AND, AND WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF CAN OF WORM THAT WE MIGHT OPEN WHEN WE START TAKING DOWN THE STRUCTURE AND HOW DO WE KEEP ALL THE, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE TOPOGRAPHY KIND OF STABLE IN, IN THAT WAY.
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THE GOAL, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE INVESTIGATION THAT WE ARE GO GOING TO, TO HAPPEN.YEAH, I, I GET, I MEAN I TRY, I GET THE RESOURCES IN THE FRONT, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK WE'RE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THE WHOLE SITE LOOKS APPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT AND, AND CERTAINLY TO TAKE A LITTLE LOOK CLOSER LOOK.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY ELSE WENT AND LOOKED AT IT, THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS, BUT SOMEHOW, SO YOU'RE GONNA GET A CON, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT IT, TAKE A CONTRACT, SEE WHAT IT DOES, TAKE IT DOWN.
YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO UNDERSTAND THEN, OKAY.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, I DUNNO IF YOU'RE GONNA BACKFILL IT, FIX THE RETAINING WALL, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.
UH, AND YOU HAVE THAT IN THE NEXT WEEKS.
I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY WE TYPE, I WOULD IMAGINE THREE WEEKS FROM NOW.
I WOULD JUST COMMENT THAT I WOULD GUESS THAT IF YOU DON'T TAKE IT DOWN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STABILIZE IT.
NOT JUST, I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA PUT A HARDY BOARD ON IT, BUT MAKE IT SO THAT IT ACTUALLY IS A BUILDING THAT IS GONNA BE SUSTAINABLE FOR A WHILE.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION YEAH.
'CAUSE I THINK, UH, FOR ME, BECAUSE THE, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK, I DON'T THE HARDY BOARD, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANY HARDY BOARD PLANKS ON THAT.
BUT I THINK TRYING TO BEAU AT LEAST MAKE THE FRONT FACADE AND SOME OF THIS, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE PUT IT IN THERE 'CAUSE NOT REALLY A PICTURE.
AND I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT SO CLOSE WHEN WE WERE DOING THE, THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THAT.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT SOMEHOW THE STAFF LOOKS AT THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT JUST THE HARDY IT, THAT THE WHOLE THING KIND OF LOOKS, LOOKS GOOD IN A, IN A FULL WAY FROM NOT JUST THE FRONT, BUT PEOPLE WILL BE WALKING FROM BOTH SIDES.
JUST HOW THE WHOLE THING KIND OF COMES TOGETHER.
AND, AND FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO MAYBE IT CAN THAT THE STAFF KIND OF REVIEW AGAIN.
I, I MEAN I KNOW WE HAVE SOMETHING ON OUR CONDITION FOR PUTTING SOME, UH, UH, MAKING 'EM LOOK MORE REAL AS, AS THAT I STILL THINK YEAH.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER CONDITION THAT INCLUDES THAT THEY ADD HARDWARE TO IT.
SO THAT IT'S NOT COMPLETELY ENCLOSED.
UM, BASSON DID A SITE VISIT LAST WEEK AND UM, OUR CONCERN IS THERE, THERE COULD BE A LOT OF MOISTURE TRAPPED IN THERE AND YOU WOULDN'T REALLY KNOW.
SO THAT'S CONDITION ADDRESSES THAT THEY HAD HARDWARE AND YOU CAN OPEN IT AND CHECK PERIODICALLY.
'CAUSE IT WOULD BE GOOD TO LOOK AT, ESPECIALLY THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE PEOPLE WALK.
THE NORTH SIDE IS CERTAINLY MORE, MORE I'LL SAY LESS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET JUST WITH THE OTHER BUILDING PLUS THE OKAY.
PLUS THE TREES THAT ARE SITTING IN THERE.
UH, WOULD IT BE REASONABLE FOR THERE TO BE A TIMEFRAME THAT IT ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WOULD TAKE THAT BUILDING DOWN THAT? WELL THEY HAVE THE, THEY RATTI, ISN'T IT? THEY HAVE THE YEAR THAT WAS GIVEN, IT'S ONE YEAR FROM THE PERMIT OF THE, UM, YES.
AND I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT BECAUSE WITH THE APPROVAL IT IS VALID FOR TWO YEARS.
BUT FOR THE DEMOLITION, UM, I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK IF IT'S THE SAME CRITERIA AND I CAN SHARE WITH YOU WHILE WE'RE DISCUSSING.
YEAH, JUST I THINK ALSO WE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND THE APPROVAL IN, UH, APPROPRIATE CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, SO THAT IT, IF IT WASN'T COMPLETED, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO START OVER.
THAT THEY COULD WITHIN SIX MONTHS I THINK OR SOMETHING.
I THINK WE HAD THAT WITH THE PROPERTY ON SOUTH, UH, HIGH FOR THE, UH, WHISKEY BAR AND WINE ROOM.
I JUST THINK MARK IS CONCERNED ABOUT THEM TAKING TOO LONG.
BUT WE'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A STANDARD TIME WITH THE APPROVAL THAT WENT IN THROUGH BEFORE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD BE DECREASING THAT.
HOWEVER, THE PLAN BEFORE WITH THE DEMOLITION WAS POSSIBLY A WHOLE NEW STRUCTURE BACK THERE.
AND THEY'RE CLOSING THE, UH, ROAD AND MAKING IT A PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO EXPRESS SOME CONCERNS AS, UH, MR. COTTER HAS EXPRESSED ABOUT THE, UM, CONDITION.
WE DON'T WANT THE PROPERTY TO BECOME AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE, EVEN WITH THE HARDY BOARD CHEATING ON IT.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.
I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK FROM A STRUCTURAL BASIS WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THAT BUILDING COMES DOWN.
AND IT'LL BE VERY INTERESTING TO HEAR WHAT, UM, THEY TELL YOU.
BUT IT'S NOT A FIVE STORY BUILDING.
IT'S ABOUT SIX FEET
SO I THINK IF, ALRIGHT, IF YOU COULD JUST GO TO THE, I JUST WANNA SEE WHAT THE CONDITION FOR THAT, JUST FOR THAT.
'CAUSE FOR ME, WE WILL COME BACK TO THE FRONT BUILDING WHERE I WENT TO THE OTHER WAY, BUT WE'LL COME BACK.
BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT ON THE, UM, UH, SO WE HAVE THE, UH, SO WE HAVE THE C IT'S TWO C HARDWARE DETAILS.
BUT FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO, FOR ME, I, I SEE THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK I HAVE ENOUGH DETAILS TO SAY KIND OF WHAT WITH OUR EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE FOR ME, JUST LOOKING AT THE SKETCH AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE FASCIA BOARD, SOME OF THAT WILL BE ALSO UPGRADED
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WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT IN THE BACK, OR IS IT JUST GONNA BE THE HARDY PANEL KIND OF FOE LOOKING LIKE GARAGE DOORS.SO OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS REALLY SAFETY AND TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM GOING IN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT, UH, WISE.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S REALLY FOR THAT REASON.
SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF LIKE PANEL TO CLOSE IT, TO BOARD IT UP ESSENTIALLY, BUT IN A WAY THAT HAVE JUST ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, TRIM DETAIL TO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE APPEALING THAN JUST A PANEL.
'CAUSE FOR ME, I THINK FOR ME THAT, I MEAN THAT'S THE ONE SPOT.
WE WANT TO HAVE ALL OF ALL LOOK GOOD, BUT FOR ME, I STILL THINK THAT SIDE WILL, IF WE, IF IT DOESN'T COME DOWN WITHIN A, SOME REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, I THINK TO, TO, I DUNNO, WHOEVER SAID IT, IT BECOMES A BIT OF A NUISANCE.
WE'RE EITHER GONNA BE A COMPLIANT, IT GONNA BE A CODE ISSUE, A A CODE ISSUE AT SOME POINT.
UH, AND FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE ADD A, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE BOARD FEELS OR SOME OTHER CONDITION WHERE THE, THAT THE STAFF COULD LOOK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT KIND OF WHAT REALLY, WHAT IN MORE DETAIL REALLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THE THING IS TWO THINGS, IT'S SAFE, IT'S STABLE, AND SOMEHOW IT LOOKS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT APPROPRIATE WOULD BE IN THAT SENSE BECAUSE IT'S NOT, LIKE YOU SAY, IT'S NOT IN GREAT SHAPE.
BUT, UH, I THINK IF IT'S THERE, IF IT'S THERE FOR A YEAR OR SOMETHING AND WE START TO BUILD THE REST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET TOO FAR AWAY FROM WHAT, WHAT WE WANT IT TO AT LEAST BE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BEAUTIFUL, BUT AT LEAST LOOKS LIKE IT.
WELL, COULD, COULD WE SUGGEST, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REPORT.
WHY DON'T WE WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE REPORT SAYS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THAT RETAINING WALL BEHIND IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY KEY TOO.
AND THEN ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THAT SAYS, I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE BETTER FEEDBACK THEN I WOULD SUGGEST WELL, EXCEPT THAT THEY'RE HERE FOR APPROVAL.
APPROVAL ARE WE NOT, CAN'T WAIT UNLESS WE TABLE IT AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WANT THAT.
WELL, CAN I, CAN I MAYBE CLARIFY SOMETHING? SURE.
THERE, THERE ARE OTHER MECHANISMS IN TERMS OF THE SAFETY.
'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE OUR BUILDING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENTS.
SO I THINK THE ROLE OF THE BOARD HERE IS REVIEWING THE APPLICATION AT HAND.
AND SO IF THERE ARE CONDITIONS IN TERMS OF THE APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIFIC, AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO.
'CAUSE FOR ME, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, CODE WILL DO THAT.
BUT FOR ME, I'D, SO WE HAVE OTHER MECHANISMS TO DEAL WITH.
SO FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE ADD A, A CONDITION IN HERE THAT FROM THE STAFF STAND WHEN TO HAVE A FEW MORE DETAILS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HARDY IS, I MEAN THE, THE BACK FACADE, IT'S NOT JUST THE PANEL SITTING THERE.
MAYBE THEY LOOK AT THE FASCIA BOARD JUST TO MAKE SURE IF IT'S GONNA BE THERE LONGER IN THREE WEEKS, YOU MAY KNOW.
BUT IF WE HAVE A CONDITION THAT YOU COULD REVIEW WITH THE STAFF IN THREE WEEKS, WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GO IF IT'S GONNA STAY, CAN STAFF REVIEW A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT CAN THEY, CAN THEY PAINT IT? CAN THEY LOOK AT IT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT'S GONNA BE THERE FOR A YEAR THAT IT LOOKS, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO BE THE OUTCOME IF IT, IT'S NICE TO SAY STAFF WILL REVIEW IT, BUT WHAT ARE YOU TELLING STAFF TO DO WITH THIS REVIEW? SO FOR ME, I WOULD SAY FROM A, FROM A, UH, UH, LOOKING TO STAFF TO REVIEW THAT, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT A, AS YOU SAY, AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE, RIGHT? WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PAINTED, THE HARDY BOARD LOOKS OKAY.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE PERFECT.
BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SEE THAT, UH, JUST FROM THE BACKSIDE, IF IT'S THERE LONGER THAN WHATEVER A YEAR OR TWO THAT THERE'S, THAT THE STAFF HAS LOOKED AT, SAID, OKAY, TO MAKE IT SO IT LOOKS REASONABLE, WE'RE GONNA PAINT IT.
THE HARDY BOARD, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT.
WE MAYBE PAINT THE, THE FASCIA, THE SOFFIT AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT LOOKS OKAY.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT ALSO NEEDS, AND I DON'T REALLY WANNA PAINT IT EITHER, BUT, UH, BUT IT, IT IS, IT LOOKS BAD FROM ALL DIRECTIONS.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE AT LEAST IF IT'S GONNA BE THERE LONGER THAN A FEW YEARS THAT WE, THAT WE AT LEAST TRY TO BEAUTIFY IT A LITTLE BIT.
THERE ARE ALSO, WE'VE HAD BEFORE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FOR REMOVING SOMETHING.
AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING IMPROVEMENTS ALONG BLACKWELL FOR THE CITY'S BENEFIT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY COULD APPLY FOR SOME, UH, ONE OF THOSE GRANTS TO GET THE REMOVAL DONE OR THE SEEDING DONE AFTER THE REMOVAL.
'CAUSE THE REMOVAL'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE VERY AFFORDABLE.
BUT TO ME LEAVING IT, THE ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE PART ISN'T JUST, UM, HOW PEOPLE MAY BE DRAWN TO IT WHEN NO ONE'S AROUND, ET CETERA.
SO, AND WITH RESTAURANTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU, IT COULD ALSO BECOME A PROBLEM, A HEALTH DEPARTMENT TYPE PROBLEM IN THAT REGARD.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I HAD WAS I'M KIND OF IN THE ENCOURAGING, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO PULL IT DOWN AND SEE WHAT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES CAN BE MADE.
AND I'M, I'M GLAD NOTHING IS GOING IN YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE FINAL PLAN YET FOR BLACKSMITH FROM THE CITY.
AND I THINK IT'S FAIR, ONCE THEY GET STARTED IN INSTALLING THE UTILITIES DOWN THERE, IT'S GONNA ALSO IMPACT IT.
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THAT'S KIND OF MY FEELING ON IT.I COULD WE NOT, COULD WE NOT, UM, PUT A CONDITION ON THIS PIECE, APPROVE THE FRONT AND PUT A CONDITION THAT THIS PIECE NEEDS TO COME BACK ONCE THE REPORT.
WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO DO THAT NOW.
'CAUSE THIS IS PART, THIS APPLICATION.
SO EITHER WE TABLE THE WHOLE THING OR WE GO FORWARD.
SO, BUT WE COULD, UM, THE APPROVAL OF THE HARDY BOARD COULD BE A CONDITION THAT THE HARDY BOARD ISN'T APPROVED UNTIL THE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE DEMOLITION REPORT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE? NO, I THINK SEAN'S IDEA IS BETTER THAT WE APPROVE THE HARDY BOARD YEP.
AND REQUIRE THEM TO WORK WITH STAFF TO BRING IT INTO SOME AESTHETIC.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO SPEND CONDITION $50,000 TO BRING SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA TEAR DOWN.
BUT JUST IF WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE THERE LONGER AND MY CONDITION WOULD BE THE HARDY BOARD FOR ME, PERFECTLY FINE.
SHOULD WE DO A LITTLE PAINT, A FEW OTHER THINGS JUST TO PUT IT IN A BETTER STATUS SO THAT IT, SO THAT IT, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT BELONGS IN A CERTAIN SENSE.
YOU NEED TO GIVE A STANDARD THOUGH.
SOMETHING AESTHETICALLY PLEASING IS REALLY WHAT YOU WANT.
STREET BEAUTIFICATION OR SOMETHING.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF TI HAS A BETTER, MAYBE I ALREADY CAN HELP.
'CAUSE ON C, IF WE COULD ADD C PLUS.
THAT GO, ACTUALLY, THAT LOOKS GOOD.
SO POSSIBLY MAY HAVE A FEW MORE WORDS TO ADD TO IT.
AND SO FOR ME, IF YOU COULD JUST ADD JUST, JUST, I MEAN, FOR ME, ARCHITECTURE, THE PROGRAM AS REVIEWED WITH STAFF.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I'M, WE'RE NOT LOOKING, I DON'T REALLY, DID YOU SAY MR I'M NOT LOOKING FOR SOME, I, I DON'T THINK I'M, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING VERY INVASIVE IN TRYING TO MAKE IT, BUT REALLY JUST TRYING TO SAY, HEY, IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT GOOD.
WHAT CAN WE DO? JUST AT LEAST PUT SOME PAINT.
THE HARDY BOARD FOR ME IS IN A, IF, IF, IF, IF YOU CAN LIVE WITH THAT CONDITION TO TRY TO GET IT INTO AT LEAST A STATE THAT, THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND GO, OKAY, IT LOOKS OKAY FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
AND JUST TO ADD AND CLARIFY FOR THE OUTBUILDING MM-HMM
ON THE TOP RIGHT, THEY'RE PLANNING TO PAINT IN THESE TWO COLORS, WHICH IS THE TAN AND THE OFF-WHITE.
UM, SHOWN HERE IT SAY IT'S OUTBUILDING AND CMU, THEY'RE GONNA PAINT IT.
THE CMU, THAT'S, THEY'RE GOING TO PAINT THE CMU AS WELL.
THEY TO PAINT THE CMU ALL AROUND WITH, UM, THESE COLORS AND THEN PAINT THE PANEL AS WELL AS THE TRIM.
AND THE COMBINATION OF THESE, UH, MAYBE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST FROM THE, FROM THE BACK.
SO CAN WE MAYBE GO BACK TO THE CONDITION, MAKE SURE I DIDN'T, UH, MAKE IT TOO COMPLEX HERE.
UH, SO MY UNDERSTANDING HERE IS IF WE PASS THE, OR GIVE APPROVAL TO THE MINOR PROJECT AS IT STANDS, THE INTENTION IS THAT THAT BUILDING EVENTUALLY COMES DOWN.
THEY'RE GOING TO TEMPORIZE THE ISSUE BY PUTTING A HARDY BOARD UP TO MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE AND SAFE.
UH, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, IF IT'S EITHER NOT ATTRACTIVE OR UNSAFE, THEN THERE'LL BE ZONING, UH, ISSUES OR ZONING, UH, UH, UH, REGULATIONS THAT WOULD INSIST THAT IT COME DOWN.
IS THAT AN ACCURATE, UH, UH, UH, SUMMARY OF IT? YEAH, I MEAN, THERE, THERE COULD ALWAYS BE A PROPOSAL TO COMPLETELY RENOVATE IT AND STABILIZE IT.
SO, UH, BUT YES, IF, IF IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD OR A A CODE NUISANCE, UM, ISSUE, THEN WE HAVE THOSE MECHANISMS ASIDE FROM THIS BOARD.
CODE ENFORCEMENT COULD GIVE THEM A THING.
SO MAYBE I BELABOR THAT A LITTLE TOO MUCH.
BUT FOR ME, IT'S OKAY WITH, UH, TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT IN AS GOOD A SHAPE AS WE CAN IS I SAY IS IMPORTANT TO ME.
I MEAN, YOU STILL HAVE A DEMOLITION OPEN THAT YOU CAN TAKE IT DOWN WHEN IT, WHEN YOU FIND THEIR WAY.
NOW IF WE GO BACK TO THE, SORRY.
NOW IF WE GO BACK A BIT TO THE, ANY, UH, QUESTIONS ON THE, LET'S SAY, MAIN BUILDING AND OTHER ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT, UH, FROM FROM RODDY'S REPORT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP FOR, FOR THE ARCHITECT OF THE STAFF? UH, I DO HAVE A COMMENT THAT, UH, UH, THE SIX FOOT FENCE, UH, THAT WAS PROPOSED ORIGINALLY, IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS GONNA BLOCK OFF THE VIEW INTO THE HISTORIC AREA.
UM, I APPRECIATE THEIR REASONS FOR HAVING TO PUT IT UP.
AND I THINK IT'S OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF OUR COM OUR, OUR BOARD TO HELP THEM WITH THE PROBLEM, WHICH IS THEY PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO SCREENING THEIR OWN DUMPSTER, AND YET THERE'S TWO DUMPSTERS, RIGHT? THEY'RE ON THEIR EDGE OF THEIR PROPERTY THAT ARE PRETTY UNSIGHTLY.
ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? ANYBODY HAVE ANY? NO, I MEAN, FOR ME, I
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DON'T HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS ON HERE.UH, I THINK FOR ME, FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, FROM THE RECOMMENDATION, FROM THE CONDITIONS, YOU'RE OKAY WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS AS THEY'RE WRITTEN HERE AND YOU'RE CLEAR ON THAT.
NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS THEN? I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.
THEN I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINOR PROJECT WITH THE CONDITIONS, UM, STATED BEFORE YOU SECOND THAT.
WERE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? OH, SORRY.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY ONLINE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION OUT THERE? ANYBODY SECOND? UM, DOES YOUR APPROVAL NEED TO CALL OUT WHAT WAS ADDED? YOUR MIC'S NOT ON LISA AS MODIFIED.
I'LL SECOND THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS AS STATED AND AMENDED AND AMENDED AT THE HEARING TONIGHT.
[Case #25-048INF]
TWO, UH, 25 DASH 0 4 8, INFORMAL REVIEW, 83 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR A HOUSE EDITION.THE 0.25 ACRE LOT IS ZONED HDHR, HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL, AND IS LOCATED AT 83 SOUTH RIVERVIEW.
MR. CHAMA, IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST.
HE HAS A SHORT PRESENTATION THAT FOR AN INTRODUCTION? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, HELLO, MY NAME IS JEFFREY HAM.
UH, ADDRESS IS 83 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR, UH, HEARING OUT OUR PROPOSAL HERE.
UH, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN KIND OF A LONG TIME, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN PLANNING THIS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTRODUCTION TO, UH, KIND OF FLESH OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND, AND JUST SOME THINGS ABOUT OUR HOUSE.
UM, THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO DO, UH, IS, UH, EMBARRASS MY DAD HERE WHO CAME ALONG WITH ME.
I I KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD KNOW HIM.
UH, PROBABLY SOME PEOPLE AREN'T AS FAMILIAR WITH HIM.
UH, BUT, UH, THIS GUY IS, IN MY OPINION, KIND OF AN ICON FOR HISTORIC DUBLIN.
UM, THIS, UH, HE PURCHASED OUR HOUSE THERE IN 1970 WHEN THE POPULATION OF DUBLIN WAS 670 PEOPLE, WHICH, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S PROBABLY MORE THAN A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN DUBLIN RIGHT NOW WHO LIVED IN DUBLIN IN 1970.
SO HE'S, UH, ONE OF THE FEW IN THE PROUD, UM, HIS NAME'S DR. DAVID HAM.
HE'S A RETIRED CLASSICS PROFESSOR FROM OHIO STATE.
UM, HE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WITH ME THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, UH, SUPPORTING ME AND GIVING ME ADVICE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS TO DO.
UM, UH, HE WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE DUBLIN HISTORICAL SOCIETY, AND HE WAS THE, UH, FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE DUBLIN HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
AND HE WAS ALSO ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF THIS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
AND SO FOR A LONG TIME HE WAS, HE, HE'S BEEN ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND A RB AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND IN THE 1970S, UH, HE WAS, HIM AND MY MOM, I SHOULD PROBABLY MENTION MY MOM WAS INVOLVED IN THIS AS WELL.
UM, THEY WERE REALLY INSTRUMENTAL IN ALL THE APPLICATIONS TO GET ALL THESE HOUSES PUT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND TO GET THE DISTRICT PUT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THAT.
UM, SO, UH, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF OUR HOUSE AND THE REASON THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT AN ADDITION ON IT AND DO SOME RENOVATIONS, UH, THE HOUSE WAS THE, UH, BUILT ORIGINALLY BY ELLIOT SELLS IN 1820 AS A ONE STORY STRUCTURE.
UM, LATER ON, UH, IN THAT DECADE, HE ADDED A SECOND STORY.
SO THAT FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE STARTED AS ONE STORY AND THEN TURNED INTO TWO STORIES.
AND THEN, UH, THEY BUILT A KITCHEN WING OUT THE BACK.
UH, THIS WAS PROBABLY AROUND 1830.
UH, ORIGINALLY IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, A HOUSE AND A TAVERN, UM, UH, KIND OF EXISTED IN THAT FORM UNTIL, UH, AROUND THE 1920S, 1930S.
UH, THERE WAS, UH, ANOTHER ADDITION THAT WAS PUT ON NEXT TO THE KITCHEN WING.
UH, THAT'S, UH, SORT OF A CONCRETE, UH, ADDITION.
UM, AND, UH, THE, WE HAD ACTUALLY COME HERE BACK IN NOVEMBER TO GET PERMISSION TO DEMOLISH THAT ADDITION AND, UH, SORT OF ADD ON.
UH, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT LATER.
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UH, OUR THINKING ON THAT HAS CHANGED.BUT, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HOUSE, WE TALK ABOUT LIKE THE MAIN HOUSE, WHICH IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
WE TALK ABOUT THE KITCHEN WING, WHICH IS THAT 1830, UH, ONE AND A HALF STORY EDITION IN THE BACK.
AND THEN, UH, WE TALK ABOUT THAT 19, YOU KNOW, WE CALL IT THE 1940S EDITION, OR 1930S EDITION, WHICH IS THE, THE CONCRETE EDITION.
UH, SO WHEN MY FATHER BOUGHT THE HOUSE BACK IN 1970, UH, HE DID A LOT OF INTERIOR RENOVATIONS ON IT, UM, TRYING TO SORT OF BRING IT BACK TO ITS HISTORICAL ROOTS, UH, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, CARPET IN THERE AND DRYWALL AND PLASTER CEILINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO HE RIPPED A LOT OF THAT OUT, ESPECIALLY IN THE KITCHEN WING TO EXPOSE THE OLD, UH, HAND HUE WOOD BEAMS, UH, PUT, UH, HARDWOOD FLOORS IN THERE.
AND ONE OF THE MORE NOTABLE PROJECTS HE DID WAS HE BUILT A BRICK FIREPLACE THAT'S ACTUALLY A, UH, IT WAS BUILT ON THE ORIGINAL SITE OF WHERE THE KITCHEN FIREPLACE WAS IN THAT EDITION.
AND HE BUILT IT TO SUCH A STANDARD THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY COOK IN IT AGAIN.
AND HE DID THAT FOR A REASON BECAUSE MY MOM, UH, DOES FIREPLACE COOKING.
AND SO SHE USED TO HAVE GROUPS INTO OUR HOUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY FREQUENTLY WHERE SHE WOULD GIVE DEMONSTRATIONS OF FIREPLACE COOKING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, COOK THEM MEALS ON THE FIREPLACE.
SO WE'D HAVE HISTORICAL SOCIETIES FROM, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE STATE AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE WOMEN'S GROUPS AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WOULD COME IN.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS MY LIFE AS A CHILD IN THE 1970S WAS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING IN AND, YOU KNOW, ALMOST LIVING LIKE IN A MUSEUM, UH, WHICH WAS PRETTY COOL.
UM, THERE WERE SOME, UH, KIND OF CONSTRAINTS ABOUT THIS HOUSE THOUGH THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH.
ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THE KITCHEN, THE MODERN PART OF THAT KITCHEN WHERE THE FIREPLACE WAS, UH, IS VERY SMALL.
AND SO MY MOM, WHO'S A GOURMET COOK, AND YOU KNOW, SHE FOR A WHILE HAD, UH, A RESTAURANT UP ON HIGH STREET, UH, WHERE SHE, YOU KNOW, UH, DID HER COOKING AT HOME.
SHE HAD ABOUT A SIX OR EIGHT FOOT COUNTER, AND THAT WAS LIKE REALLY HER WHOLE KITCHEN.
UM, AND THE OTHER, UH, CONSTRAINT ABOUT KIND OF GROWING UP IN THIS HOUSE IS IT HAS ONE FULL BATHROOM AND THAT'S IT.
AND WE HAD A FAMILY OF SIX WITH ONE FULL BATHROOM, WHICH YOU CAN IMAGINE IS, UH, KIND OF GETS INTERESTING.
AND SO, UH, THEY KIND OF DID WHAT THEY COULD WITH THE HOUSE, UH, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, JUST BASED ON SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS OF THE HOUSE AND, UH, JUST ACCESS ISSUES, UH, THEY ACTUALLY WERE FORCED TO MOVE OUT OF THE HOUSE, UH, JUST 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULDN'T GET UP TO THE SECOND STORES STORY WHERE THE BEDROOMS ARE BECAUSE OF THE STEEP AND IRREGULAR STAIRS.
MY MOM HAS REALLY BAD RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS, AND SO THEY HAD TO MOVE ACROSS THE RIVER, UH, INTO A, A MORE ACCESSIBLE HOUSE.
AND, UH, EVENTUALLY I TOOK OVER THIS HOUSE, UH, WITH THE IDEA THAT, UH, ME AND MY WIFE, UH, WE CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, I GREW UP HERE, UH, WENT TO OHIO STATE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT AT THIS POINT I LIVE IN BEAVER CREEK AND, UM, OUR SON AND HIS WIFE ARE LIVING IN THAT HOUSE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WANNA MOVE BACK HERE.
AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE KIND OF HAVE TO IMPROVE THE HOUSE AND KIND OF GET IT UP TO, UH, 21ST CENTURY STANDARDS WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING DOING.
UH, SO, UH, I DID HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES OF THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.
WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, DOING THE DEMOLITION, SOME PEOPLE, UH, ON THE BOARD ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE INSIDE OF THAT ADDITION LOOK LIKE? WHAT'S THAT? YOU KNOW, WE ASKED TO HAVE THIS, UH, CHIMNEY REMOVED AND THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IS THERE A COOL FIREPLACE UNDER THERE? OR WHAT IS THIS THING? SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE PICTURES HERE.
I HOPE I KNOW HOW TO USE THIS THING.
JUST PUSH THE, THE BIG BUTTON HERE, ONE OF THOSE STEREO, WHICH ONE ROUND BUTTON THEY SHOULD BE.
UM, SO THIS, UH, IS THE PICTURES OF THE 1830S KITCHEN WING ON THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR.
UH, THE REASON I TOOK THIS PICTURE, PART OF IT WAS TO SHOW THE SCALE OF THE HOUSE.
UH, THAT PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS MY SON STANDING IN THE SECOND FLOOR OF THAT.
UM, HE'S ABOUT SIX FOOT TWO, AND HE'S A LITTLE BENT OVER THERE, BUT HIS HEAD ALMOST HITS THE CEILING THERE.
UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW LOW THAT, UH, SECOND STORY IS.
THERE'S NO DORMERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, SO YOU CAN REALLY ONLY WALK KIND OF DOWN THE CENTER OF THAT ROOM.
UH, AND THEN THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT, AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, I WAS KIND OF DOING SOME WORK IN THE HOUSE WHEN SOME OF THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN, SO THERE'S TRASH CANS AND, YOU KNOW, SOME DEBRIS AROUND AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, THIS IS THE KITCHEN WING LOOKING FROM THE FIREPLACE IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE LIKE THESE WOOD BEAMS ON THE CEILING, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, REALLY COOL WOOD BEAMS BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE LIKE THE BARK ON 'EM AND, YOU KNOW, 200 YEAR WOOD BEAMS WITH, UH, WITH BARK AND
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THINGS LIKE THAT.MY MOM COLLECTED COOKIE CUTTER, SO THERE'S A TON OF COOKIE CUTTERS HANGING OFF FROM THERE,
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WAS KIND OF THE KITCHEN.
SO WE HAVE LIKE THAT ROLLAWAY, UH, DISHWASHER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN TO THE LEFT THERE WOULD BE WHERE THE COUNTER SPACE IS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, JUST VERY, VERY SMALL.
UM, AND, UH, KIND OF, WELL, JUST TO GET TO, ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO SHOW THIS IS BECAUSE SOME OF THIS HAD TO DO WITH STAFF FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD ABOUT SCALING OF THE ADDITION.
THERE WERE A LOT OF PROPOSALS BEING THROWN AROUND THAT SOMEHOW, LIKE IF WE DO A ONE AND A HALF STORY, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THIS ONE AND A HALF STORY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU'VE BEEN IN THE HOUSE AND YOU REALIZE IT'S GOT LIKE SIX AND A HALF FOOT CEILINGS, YOU REALLY CAN'T BUILD A MODERN ONE AND A HALF STORY, UH, ADDITION THAT WOULD MEET CODE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU'RE LIKE A HOBBIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU COULDN'T REALLY LIVE IN IT.
UM, SO, UH, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PICTURE HERE.
IT'S JUST GOING ON AND ON THERE.
SO THIS IS THE INSIDE OF THAT 1940S EDITION.
UM, AND IT'S SORT OF A SIDE BY SIDE OF TWO PICTURES, SO THAT'S WHY IT KIND OF LOOKS A LITTLE ODD THERE.
UM, UH, THE ONE ON THE LEFT THERE SHOWS THAT'S THE BOTTOM OF THE CHIMNEY THAT WE ASKED TO DEMOLISH.
UH, I THINK MY DAD PUT THAT PANELING ON THERE.
DID YOU PUT THAT PANELING ON THERE OR DID E LIE WITH NO, WE DID IT.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AN UNSIGHTLY BRICK CHIMNEY KIND OF STUCK INSIDE THE HOUSE.
AND SO WHAT THAT DOES IS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IT JUST GOES INTO THE FLOOR SLAB AND THEN THERE'S A PIPE THAT COMES OUT THE BOTTOM THAT, UH, LED TO AN OIL FURNACE, WHICH IS NO LONGER IN SERVICE.
UM, SO IT WAS JUST BASICALLY SOMETHING THAT JUST KIND OF TOOK UP SPACE IN THERE AND, UH, WE JUST KIND OF COVERED IT UP.
UM, PART OF THIS IS TO SHOW THE FLOW THROUGH THE HOUSE.
UH, IF YOU LOOK JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THAT CHIMNEY, YOU CAN SEE THAT GOES INTO THE FRONT ROOM.
UH, AND THEN THIS PICTURE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS GOING INTO THE 18, UH, THIRTIES KITCHEN.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT ADDITION LOOKS LIKE.
AND AGAIN, THE REASON FOR KIND OF SHOWING THIS IS JUST TO SHOW THE FLOW THROUGH THE HOUSE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE WERE SOME STAFF PROPOSALS OF, WELL, MAYBE YOU COULD TAKE THAT ADDITION OFF.
UM, BUT THERE WERE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT, WELL, COULD YOU TAKE THAT OFF AND THEN RE-EXPOSE PARTS OF THE HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE RUN YOUR NEW EDITION OUT THE BACK OF THE KITCHEN WING, YOU KNOW, DEMOLISH THE BACK OF, UH, THAT KITCHEN WING TO ADD A HYPHEN THERE, WHICH I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA BECAUSE YOU'RE BASICALLY, FIRST OF ALL DEMOLISHING PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AGAIN, AND THEN YOU'RE COVERING UP PART OF THE STRUCTURE THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN EXPOSED, AND THEN YOU'D BE TRYING TO EXPOSE PART OF THE STRUCTURE THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN COVERED UP.
PLUS YOU REALLY CAN'T, THE HOUSE IS NON-FUNCTIONAL AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WE REALLY DO NEED THIS ADDITION RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO LET ME MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PICTURE THERE.
I'M NOT REALLY GETTING THIS THING TO WORK VERY WELL.
UM, SO THIS IS THE FRONT ROOM OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AND, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS I DID THIS WAS TO SHOW MY FAMILY AND, UH, THESE ARE THREE GENERATIONS OF HAMS THAT HAVE, UH, RESIDED IN THIS HOUSE.
UM, AND RIGHT TO THE RIGHT OF MY FAMILY THERE IS THE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY HOW YOU GET OUTTA THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THROUGH THAT, UH, CONCRETE ADDITION TO GET BACK TO THE KITCHEN WING.
UM, AND THEN THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS BASICALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE REST OF THE ROOM UP THERE OR PART OF THE REST OF THE ROOM UP THERE.
AND JUST FOR THE NEXT PICTURE.
AND, UH, SO BASICALLY THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, INFORMATION.
UH, WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO STAFF, THERE WERE LIKE, UH, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE ROOF PITCH OVER THE, UH, CONCRETE ADDITION.
IF WE KEEP THAT CONCRETE ADDITION.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAD WITH IT IS IT'S HAD A CHRONICALLY LEAKING ROOF.
UH, THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF ROOFING MATERIAL PUT ON THERE, IT, IT STILL LEAKS AND IT DOES LEAK TO THIS DAY.
UH, IN THE WINTER WHEN YOU GET SNOW ON IT, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY LEAKS INTO THAT, THAT ROOM.
AND SO ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAD WAS TO INCREASE THE ROOF PITCH A LITTLE BIT TO THREE OVER 12, WHICH IS MENTIONED IN THE PLANNING REPORT.
UM, CURRENTLY IT'S ABOUT TWO OVER 12.
SO THESE LINES WOULD BASICALLY REPRESENT LIKE, UH, THE STAFF WAS CONCERNED ABOUT LIKE, HOW MUCH OF THE HOUSE ARE YOU COVERING UP BY DOING THIS, OR HOW MUCH OF THE, UH, ROOF ON THE KITCHEN, UM, WING ARE YOU COVERING UP? UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE'D BE PUTTING UP PORCH ON THE SIDE, IT WOULD BE GOING UP A LITTLE BIT WITH A TWO
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OVER 12, BUT NOT TOO SUBSTANTIALLY.UH, IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THREE OVER 12, IT WOULD PROBABLY GO UP AND ALMOST TOUCH THAT WINDOW IN THE CENTER.
UM, I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY THINK IT COVERS UP THAT MUCH, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE WERE NOTED IN THE REPORT WAS THAT IT WOULD COVER UP A HISTORIC WINDOW THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE STRUCTURE.
UH, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE.
UH, THAT WINDOW IS ALREADY COVERED UP BY THE, UH, 1830S WING.
UH, ABOUT A THIRD OR THE LOWER HALF OF THAT WINDOW IS ALREADY COVERED UP.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THREE OVER 12 WOULD ACTUALLY, UH, IT WOULD PROBABLY GO JUST ABOUT TO THE SAME SPOT AS THAT.
SO I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT IT'S GONNA NECESSARILY COVER UP A, UM, A, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE WINDOWS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE PUT THE ADDITION ON THE BACK, UM, YOU REALLY WOULD, THIS WOULDN'T EVEN BE VISIBLE FROM ANYWHERE ANYWAY.
IF YOU'RE BACK ON BLACKSMITH LANE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE ADDITION, UH, FROM RIVERVIEW STREET, YOU SEE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
SO NONE OF THIS IS ACTUALLY VISIBLE EXCEPT, YOU KNOW, FROM LIKE BESIDE THE HOUSE.
AND EVEN THERE IT'S KIND OF A FLAT PITCH ROOF, SO YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE NECESSARILY UP THERE.
UM, SO IN ANY CASE, UM, LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I WANTED TO SAY HERE.
UH, YEAH, I, I THINK THAT WAS ABOUT, UH, IT FOR PRESENTING THE HOUSE.
SO I JUST KINDA WANTED TO GO OVER WHAT THE GOALS OF THIS PROJECT ARE FOR OUR FAMILY.
UH, WE WANTED TO INCREASE THE KITCHEN SPACE BY MOVING THE COUNTERS AND STOVE AND STUFF OUT OF THAT, UH, HISTORIC KITCHEN WING INTO THAT, UH, CONCRETE ADDITION NEXT DOOR TO IT, AND THEN ADD A LITTLE COVERED PATIO ONTO THAT SIDE, LIKE A, YEAH, UM, COVERED PORCH RATHER.
UM, AND THEN WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT ROOF.
I WAS HOPING TO INCREASE THAT ROOF PITCH SOMEWHAT.
IT DOES SEEM LIKE THREE OVER 12 IS KIND OF THE MAGIC NUMBER WHERE YOU DON'T TEND TO HAVE LEAKS.
UH, I GUESS IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO THINGS WITH TWO OVER 12, UM, BUT JUST KINDA MAKES IT MORE CHALLENGING.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO WANTED TO IMPROVE THE EXTERIOR APPEARANCE OF THAT ADDITION BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE WAY THE HOUSE LOOKS.
SO WE WERE WANTING TO PUT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST BASICALLY MORE APPROPRIATE SIDING OVER IT.
UH, WE WERE GONNA, UH, TAKE OUT ALL THOSE WINDOWS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY PUT BETTER, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE VERTICAL, UH, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS IN AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN OUR PLANS.
UM, AND THEN, UH, ONE ADDITIONAL GOAL WAS TO, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW EDITION.
AND SO THE PURPOSE OF THAT NEW EDITION WAS TO PUT A FIRST FLOOR MASTER BEDROOM ON THERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING OLDER AND, YOU KNOW, I, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT CHASED MY PARENTS OUT OF THAT HOUSE WAS JUST THE INACCESSIBILITY OF THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, TO PUT A SECOND FULL BATH IN THERE.
UH, AND, UH, BASICALLY JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA LIVING SPACE.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY KIND OF THE FINAL OBJECTIVE OF ALL OF THIS WAS WE, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US THAT WE MINIMIZE, UH, THE FOOTPRINT THAT THIS NEW ADDITION CAUSES BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY BACKYARD.
I THINK A LOT OF THE HOUSES IN HISTORIC DUBLIN KIND OF SPRAWL ALL THE WAY FROM RIVERVIEW STREET TO BLACKSMITH LANE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF BEEN THE TREND.
AND WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO THAT.
WE WANT TO HAVE THE SMALLEST FOOTPRINT ADDITION THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY FIT ON THE HOUSE THAT FITS OUR NEEDS.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HOW I DESIGNED THESE, UH, ADDITIONS, IS TO TRY TO KEEP IT KIND OF CLOSE TO THE HOUSE IF WE CAN, AND TO KEEP IT AS A SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
THE PURPOSE OF THE ONE AND A HALF STORY, UH, DESIGNED THAT WE HAD, THAT WAS OUR FIRST, UM, UH, DESIGN THAT WE WERE PROPOSING, UH, WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF STACK IT TO KIND OF KEEP DOWN THE FOOTPRINT OF IT.
UH, THERE WAS THE SECOND DESIGN THAT YOU SEE THERE.
THE ONE STORY WAS REQUESTED, UH, BY THE CITY STAFF.
UH, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE'D DONE A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HAD A LOT OF FEEDBACK, DONE A LOT OF, UM, MODIFICATIONS TO THE PLAN.
AND SO I FINALLY HAD A SIT DOWN WITH HER AND SHE WAS JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S JUST SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT.
COULD YOU GIMME A ONE STORY PLAN? AND SO THE ONE STORY PLAN I ACTUALLY DREW UP MYSELF BECAUSE WE'RE, WE KIND OF RAN OVER BUDGET ALREADY BECAUSE OF ALL THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE BEING, UH, REQUESTED IN, IN OUR ONE AND A HALF STORY PLAN.
AND SO I JUST SAID, WELL, I'M, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE TWO DAYS AWAY FROM THE DEADLINE TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA.
I'M JUST GONNA STAY UP ALL NIGHT AND DRAW THIS THING UP MYSELF.
SO, UH, I DO GIVE MY APOLOGIES, THERE ARE A FEW GLITCHES IN IT, LIKE THE, THE COLUMNS ON THE PORCH ARE A LITTLE BIT UNEVEN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I WAS DRAWN AT TWO IN THE MORNING ON, UH, HOME VERSION OF ARCHITECTURAL SOFTWARE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT PERFECT.
BUT I DO THINK IT GIVES YOU THE IDEA OF WHAT A ONE STORY
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THING WOULD LOOK LIKE.UH, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, THEY'RE, I THINK, BOTH VERY VIABLE PLANS.
UH, THE ONE STORY FOR ME THAT PROBABLY THE MAIN DOWNSIDE IS IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT DOES GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, UH, THE, UM, UH, KIND OF THE WAY THAT I WAS ABLE TO KEEP IT FROM SPRAWLING TOO MUCH INTO THE BACKYARD WAS THAT I REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE HYPHEN, BECAUSE ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY GENEROUS HYPHEN.
IT'S ABOUT 11 FEET LONG, AND I REDUCED IT TO ABOUT FIVE OR SIX FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST TO KIND OF PULL EVERYTHING KIND OF BACK IN THERE SO THAT, AGAIN, WE DIDN'T SPRAWL ALL THE WAY BACK TO BLACKSMITH LANE, AND WE STILL HAVE SOME BACKYARD.
UH, SO, UH, THAT'S KIND OF MY OVERVIEW OF IT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU.
I MEAN, A LOT OF WORK THERE AND FOR YOU AND DR.
MAKING THE EFFORT TO KEEP THE HOUSE CERTAINLY A SUPER IMPORTANT HOUSE IN THE DISTRICT.
WE KNOW IT'S A, CERTAINLY A ARCHITECTURAL GEM FOR, UH, FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE DISTRICT AND THE CITY.
ABSOLUTE APPRECIATE, JUST, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND I MEAN, I'VE EXPRESSED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MY MAIN OBJECTIVE IS THIS, WE GOTTA DO THIS, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU KNOW? UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, MY DAD BEING LIKE ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS, THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF YOU GOTTA DO THESE THINGS RIGHT.
WITH THIS BUILDING, YOU KNOW, IS IMPORTANT TO HIM.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME, SO I DON'T HAVE A CLARIFY.
ANYBODY HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION? I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME AFTER STAFF.
UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING RIGHT NOW TO, I I JUST WANNA REMIND MYSELF.
SO IT'S GONNA BE AN OPEN PORCH, RIGHT? FACING US? WHAT'S THAT? THAT'S AN OPEN PORCH.
THAT'S AN OPEN PORCH, RIGHT? YEAH.
I WANT IT TO BE JUST LIKE YOURS.
WE'RE THE ONES WHO'LL BE ABLE TO SEE EVERYTHING.
NOBODY ELSE ACTUALLY WILL, UNLESS THEY'RE THE FRONT PARTY.
SO, I'M SORRY, I I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN AGAIN WHY YOU DON'T WANNA TAKE DOWN THE 1930S EDITION? OH, OH, YOU KNOW, I, I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA GO INTO THAT.
I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT IT 'CAUSE THE ORIGINAL MISSED IDEA.
YOU KNOW, I, I DO KIND OF A LOT OF BUILDING MYSELF.
I'M ACTUALLY A, A PHYSICIAN, BUT, UH, MY SIDELINE IS I DO A LOT, LOT OF BUILDING AND REMODELING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCEPTS THAT IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF BUILDERS HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT EASIER A LOT OF THE TIME JUST TO TEAR SOMETHING DOWN AND START UP, START OVER.
UH, I CONSULTED WITH, UH, SOME BUILDING PROFESSIONALS ABOUT THIS CONCEPT HERE.
AND, UM, IT RELATES TO THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE HOUSE AND JUST THE WAY IT'S CONSTRUCTED.
SO WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BEDROCK, THE FOUNDATION FOR THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S LOOKS BELOW, UH, GROUND LEVEL, IT LOOKS JUST LIKE IT DOES ABOVE GROUND LEVEL, WHICH IS BASICALLY JUST RUBBLE STONE.
AND SO IF YOU TEAR DOWN THAT ADDITION AND THEN TRY TO SCRAPE OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON A CONCRETE SLAB, THAT 1940S EDITION, YOU PULL THAT THING OUT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A LOT OF EXCAVATION RIGHT NEXT TO THE FOUNDATION OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
AND I WAS TOLD THAT, UM, IT REALLY JEOPARDIZES THE, UH, POTENTIAL INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE.
UH, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT MAYBE COULD BE DONE, LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING UP ON NORTH RIVERVIEW, WHERE THEY SORT OF TRY TO HOLD UP THE HOUSE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THEY CALL IT UNDERPINNING THE FOUNDATION.
UH, AND I WAS TOLD THAT WOULD BE A EXORBITANTLY EXPENSIVE
AND I JUST DIDN'T WANNA RISK, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, THERE'S ALREADY A GOOD CONCRETE SLAB THERE, YOU KNOW, WHY RUN THE RISK, UH, AND THE EXPENSE OF TRYING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THAT THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT, IT ENDED UP BEING NOT AS SIMPLE AS I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE.
I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE LIKE, OH, YOU RIPPED THAT OUT, YOU POUR A NEW SLAB AND BOOM, YOU'RE READY TO GO.
BUT I GUESS THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
UM, WHAT ARE THE PLANS WITH THE CHIMNEY ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? UH, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THAT APPROVAL TO REMOVE THAT CHIMNEY, UH, TAKE DOWN PART OF IT, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN DOWN PART OF IT BECAUSE IT WAS ACTUALLY, UH, CRUMBLING.
UH, SO YEAH, WE WOULD STILL BE REMOVING THAT CHIMNEY, FIXING THE ROOF UP, UH, YOU KNOW, RESTORING THAT.
AND, UH, YEAH, YOU KNOW, I PREFER THAT YOU KEEP, I I'M OF THE OPINION AS A HISTORIC RESERVATIONIST THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THINGS GET ADDED TO BUILDINGS AND THEN THEY IN TURN BECOME THE PIECE BECOMES SOMEWHAT HISTORIC ITSELF.
SO I'M ACTUALLY GLAD THAT YOU'RE GONNA, THAT THIS PLAN WOULD INCORPORATE THAT IN.
I KNOW YOU'RE, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU NEED TO TAKE THE WINDOWS DOWN AND MAKE IT MATCH, BUT I'M, I'M GLAD THAT YOU ARE GONNA KEEP THAT ACTUALLY.
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I THINK WE'RE NOT GONNA KEEP IT.NO, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA KEEP THE WINDOWS, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THE STRUCTURE OH, THE STRUCTURE, CORRECT, CORRECT.
I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE WINDOWS.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE KEEPING THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU WERE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE CHIMNEY.
YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
I, I MEAN, I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA, KEEPING THAT, KEEPING THAT PORCH TOO.
AND, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY THE FOOTPRINT OF IT, ORIGINALLY I WAS OF THE IMPRESSION THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE BIG ENOUGH FOR WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, BUT WHEN SHE ACTUALLY SORT OF DID THE DESIGN, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A PERFECT FOOTPRINT FOR WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO DO THAT.
TURN OVER THE CITY, AND I'M SURE WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, I'M SURE WE'LL BE BACK.
UM, I'M PRETENDING TO BE SARAH FOR THE, FOR THE EVENING, BUT, UH, WE, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE REVIEW, KIND OF JUST AN INITIAL INTRODUCTION THAT IT IS, UH, I THINK YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH WHERE THE, UH, STRUCTURE IS LOCATED AND JUST NORTH OF PENNY HILL LANE BETWEEN NORTH, UH, OR SOUTH BLACKSMITH AND SOUTH RIVER VIEW.
IT IS ON THE HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO THOSE, UH, STANDARDS APPLY, AND YOU'LL HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME A LITTLE BIT.
OUR SYSTEM HAS BEEN VERY SLOW, SO WHEN I CLICK, SOMETIMES IT TAKES A MINUTE FOR THE SLIDES TO MOVE.
UH, BUT THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTEXT IN TERMS OF THE SURROUNDING STRUCTURES.
UM, THE SUBJECT BUILDING IS DEFINITELY A LANDMARK BUILDING.
UH, SOME OF THE ONES AROUND IT ARE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE CLASSIFIED AS BACKGROUNDS.
SO, UH, THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE IS OBVIOUSLY, UH, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT.
IT'S ONE OF THE OLDEST IN, IN DUBLIN, AND I THINK, UM, MR. HAM PROVIDED A VERY GOOD SUMMARY IN TERMS OF ITS HISTORY.
SO I WON'T NECESSARILY GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
UH, AGAIN, OTHER THAN, UH, I WAS INTRIGUED AND, AND I LEARNED A LOT TONIGHT, EVEN BEFORE THE MEETING AS WELL, I WAS INTRIGUED BY THE BEAMS THAT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE STONE IN THIS PICTURE.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, WHEN THAT TOOK PLACE BACK IN, IN THE EARLY 18 HUNDREDS.
AND, UH, SO THE BUILDING WAS USED AS A TAVERN, I THINK, AS WAS MENTIONED, ALSO IN ADDITION TO A RESIDENCE.
SO, UH, WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE AND THE DIFFERENT, UH, UH, LIVES THAT HAS, UH, TAKEN ON.
IT IS KIND OF A SIMPLE VERSION OF A FEDERAL STYLE ARCHITECTURE, AT LEAST THE FRONT, UH, PART OF THE BUILDING.
AND THE, UH, KITCHEN L WAS ADDED AS WAS MENTIONED EARLY ON.
THE, UH, INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE BACK AND THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, THE, UH, 1930S EDITION IS MY UNDERSTANDING IN LOOKING AT THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION AND CONFIRMING TONIGHT THAT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY AN OPEN PORCH.
AND AT ONE POINT, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, IT WAS ENCLOSED WITH A CONCRETE BLOCK.
SO THERE ARE, AND WE'D GET INTO THAT IN A MINUTE, THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING DETAILS THAT ARE STILL REMAINING OUT OF WHAT I BELIEVE WAS THE ORIGINAL, UH, PORCH CONSTRUCTION THAT WE SUGGESTING THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UH, THAT DETAIL TO INFORM SOME OF THE LMS OF THE ADDITION.
SO THE, UH, YOU CAN SEE ALSO THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT, I, I BELIEVE OVER TIME THE WINDOWS HAVE CHANGED.
SO MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WOULD'VE PROBABLY BEEN SIX OVER SIX.
UH, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ONE OVER ONE IN THE FRONT.
YOU CAN SEE SOME TWO OVER TWO IN THE BACK AND A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT, UH, CONFIGURATIONS.
UM, I THINK MR. HAM, UH, DID, OR DR.
HAM DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THE TWO OPTIONS.
I WANTED TO GO INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS THERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE BOTH OF THEM HERE ON THE SCREEN AT THE SAME TIME.
SO OPTION ONE IS AT THE TOP, THAT'S THE ONE THAT, UH, THEY STARTED OUT WITH.
AND OPTION TWO IS ON THE BOTTOM.
SO IN BOTH CASES, YOU CAN SEE IN THE LIGHT BLUE WHERE THE ORIGINAL PORTION OF THE HOUSE IS LOCATED JUST FOR, UH, ORIENTATION.
AND THEN THE KITCHEN L THAT WAS ADDED A LITTLE BIT LATER, AND THEN THE 1930S EDITION, OPEN PORCH, THEN ENC, CLOSED PORCH, AND SO FORTH.
EVERYTHING ELSE IN GRAY IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED UNDER THE TWO OPTIONS, AND THAT GIVES YOU ALSO AN IDEA OF HOW THAT RELATES TO THE BACKYARD AND THE OTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ON, UH, THAT LOT.
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UH, ACTUALLY REQUIRES A LITTLE MORE LOT COVERAGE THAN OPTION ONE.AND IN BOTH CASES, UH, IT WOULD SLIGHTLY EXCEED THAT 25% LIMIT OF STRUCTURE COVERAGE.
SO A WAIVER WOULD BE REQUIRED EITHER WAY, UH, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE REASONABLE GIVEN, UH, THE SURROUNDING AREA AND PREVIOUS APPROVALS.
SO WE'LL START WITH OPTION ONE, AND WE'D GO THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMENTS HERE AND THEN SWITCH TO OPTION TWO AND, AND PERHAPS HAVE A DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF, UH, THE BOARD'S OPINION.
SO THIS ONE, AS WAS MENTIONED, WOULD INCLUDE THE NEW ADDITION TO THE, UH, WEST, AND WITH, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL PORTION OF THE HOUSE, AND THEN THE, UH, WHAT'S NOW THE CONCRETE BLOCK ADDITION WITH SOME POTENTIAL RENOVATIONS AND NEW SLIDING MATERIALS.
UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE PORCH THAT'S BEING PROPOSED OFF OF THAT AND THE HYPHEN.
AND THEN THE, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, OR NEW ADDITION, UH, IN THE BACK THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE AN OPEN PORCH AT THE, UH, AT THE WESTERN END.
SO IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE WERE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT THE, UH, PITCH OF THE ROOF.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT STEEPER THAN WHAT'S, UM, THERE ON THE EXISTING HASSLE.
ONE OF THE SUGGESTION WAS WHETHER THE, THOSE PITCHES COULD MATCH IF IT'S OPTION ONE THAT'S, UH, PURSUED.
I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, ISSUES WAS, UH, A CONCERN THAT STAFF HAD WITH THE SHED, DORMERS BEING A LITTLE BIT OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE, BUT, UH, ALSO THE FACT THAT THEY EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO THE SAME SURFACE AS THE OUTER WALLS.
UH, TYPICALLY WITH DORMERS, THE, UH, TRADITIONAL WAY OF DOING 'EM AND WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE IS HAVING 'EM OFFSET A LITTLE BIT.
SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT INSET FROM THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE.
THE, UH, OTHER ONE WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE ROOF FORMS HERE, BECAUSE THERE'S, UH, THE PITCH THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT IT'S ALSO THE, UH, ROOF OVER THE EXISTING EDITION AND THE, UH, NEW PORCH AND THE HYPHEN.
AND SO, UH, POTENTIALLY, UH, THOSE COULD BE, UH, TWEAKED OR MAYBE SIMPLIFIED, UH, IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES.
UH, AND THEN SOME OF THE DETAILS, I BELIEVE THOSE COULD EVOLVE AS THE, UH, APPLICATION PROCEEDS.
THE, UH, FEDERAL STYLE ARCHITECTURE, ESPECIALLY THE SIM SIMPLER ONE WOULD'VE HAD, UH, A LITTLE, UH, MORE DELICATE, IF YOU WILL, UH, PROPORTIONS FOR THE COLUMNS AND THE BEAMS ABOVE 'EM.
AND SO, UH, THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT, AGAIN, MAYBE A REMINDER I SHOULD HAVE STARTED OUT WITH IS, THIS IS INFORMAL AT THIS POINT.
SO THIS IS, UH, NOT REALLY GETTING INTO THE FINAL ARCHITECTURE DETAILS.
IT'S A DISCUSSION AS, UH, THEY MOVE INTO THAT, UH, STEP AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND THEN THE, UH, ROOF PITCHES, WHICH DO REQUIRE A WAIVER, UH, AT, AT THREE 12, AND THAT INCLUDES ALSO THE PORCH ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ADDITION.
AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO THIS IS THE SOUTH SIDE, IT'S, UH, SIMILAR DISCUSSION ITEMS. AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME WINDOW TRIM DETAILS AND WINDOW PROPORTIONS THAT, UH, IF OPTION ONE IS SELECTED, WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM ON.
UM, BASICALLY, UH, COORDINATING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE HOUSE.
THE HEIGHT OF THE ADDITION IS TALLER THAN THE KITCHEN L BUT DEFINITELY SHORTER THAN THE, UH, ORIGINAL PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
SO WE WANTED TO POINT, POINT OUT THAT HEIGHT, UM, AGAIN, UH, WHETHER THE BOARD WANTS TO LOOK AT IT AS IT RELATES TO THE ADDITION OR, UH, THE ORIGINAL COMPONENT OF THE HOUSE, BUT, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM NONETHELESS.
AND THEN THE, UH, BACK ELEVATION, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE, UH, SHED DORMER, EXCUSE ME, BEING MORE VISIBLE.
AND THE GUIDELINES DO TALK ABOUT WINDOW ORIENTATION BEING MORE VERTICAL.
AND I THINK WE HAD SOME OF THE SIMILAR DISCUSSION RECENTLY ON, UH, NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE.
AND, AND SO THE, THE PROPORTIONS OF THE DORMERS AND THE WINDOWS ARE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN TO STAFF.
AND THEN, UH, POTENTIALLY THE ORGANIZATION OF THE WINDOWS AND OPENINGS AND THE PORCH PROPORTIONS TO, AGAIN, BLEND IN WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
SO, AND SO THAT, THAT'S GENERALLY OPTION ONE WITH OPTION TWO.
AND, AND AGAIN, THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER FOR MORE MASSING PURPOSES AND EXPLAINING THE IDEAS.
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AGAIN, DETAILS WOULD, UM, MATERIALIZE AT A LATER STAGE IF THIS IS THE OPTION PRESENTED.AND SO THIS ONE BRINGS THE, UH, BUILDING HEIGHT DOWN SO THAT THE ROOF LINE IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING KITCHEN.
L UH, IT'S A SINGLE STORY ADDITION.
UH, THE HYPHEN IS, UM, MUCH NARROWER HERE, AND WHETHER THAT'S ADEQUATE OR NOT TO SEPARATE THE ADDITION FROM THE ORIGINAL COMPONENTS OF THE HOUSE.
UH, I THINK THERE WAS A REASON PROVIDED TONIGHT IN TERMS OF WHY THAT WAS CHOSEN.
BUT THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, THE, UH, WINDOW PROPORTIONS AND THE, AGAIN, THE SPACING OF THE COLUMNS, AGAIN, THESE WERE INTENDED TO BE, UH, FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES AT THIS POINT.
SO, UH, WE WILL NOT NECESSARILY DWELL ON THAT.
BUT THE ROOF PITCHES, ESPECIALLY THE NEW PORCH, WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A WAIVER.
THEN THIS IS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ADDITION.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IT DOES TAKE ON AN L CONFIGURATION AS WELL, A LITTLE LESS, UM, EMPHASIZED, BUT SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL ORIENTATION OF THE HOUSE IN THE 19, UH, EARLY EDITION, AGAIN, POINTING OUT THE SPACE FOR THE HYPHEN, AND THEN THE BACK AGAIN, UH, WITH A, WITH A PORCH.
AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THE HEIGHT OF THE, UH, EXISTING L BEING SIMILAR TO THE HEIGHT OF THIS GABLE ROOF AT THIS LOCATION WITH THE SIDE ROOF BEING A LITTLE BIT LOWER.
AND SO, A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND JUST FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES THAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT, I, I MENTIONED NOT ALL EARLIER THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS HAVING BEEN ORIGINALLY AN OPEN PORCH.
THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING DETAILS THAT REMAIN FROM WHAT I BELIEVE, UM, WAS THE OPEN PORCH THAT MAYBE, UH, IF THERE'S MORE CLARIFICATION THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF.
BUT IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, THERE ARE SOME DETAILS AT THE BOTTOM WITH SOME FLOATING AND SOME ROUNDED TRIM THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE ORIGINAL, UH, PORCH DECK.
AND THEN ON THE BACKSIDE, THE WINDOWS THAT WERE, I'M GUESSING SUBSEQUENTLY INSTALLED, LOOK MORE LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD, UH, DO AS A SCREENED AND PORCH.
UM, AND SO AT SOME POINT IT WENT FROM AN OPEN PORCH OR A PARTIALLY SCREENED AND PORCH TO BEING FILLED IN WITH THE CONCRETE BLOCK.
UH, BUT THAT STILL LEAVES SOME TRACES OF WHERE COLUMNS, UH, YOU CAN SEE A NOTCH RIGHT IN HERE.
AND SOME EVIDENCE ON THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF WHAT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN MAYBE THE ORIGINAL PORCH COLUMNS, AND THEN A PRETTY WIDE FREEZE BOARD THAT, UH, IS NOT NECESSARILY TOO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE ON A FEDERAL STYLE PORCH.
SOME OF THOSE PORCHES HAD SOMEWHAT OF A VERY LOW PITCH PROOF THAT IT ALMOST LOOKED FLAT AND, UH, WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF, UH, TABLATURE, IF YOU WILL, THE BEAM ABOVE THE COLUMNS THAT WOULD BE, UH, DETAILED SIMILARLY TO THIS.
SO WE BELIEVE AS THIS EVOLVES THAT THERE MAY BE SOME EXISTING CUES THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE DESIGN OF THE ADDITION AND, AND SOME REFINEMENTS, REGARDLESS OF WHICH OPTION THAT MIGHT BE.
AND I KEEP SPEAKING AHEAD OF THE, UH, ANIMATIONS HERE, BUT, UH, BASICALLY, UH, POINTING THOSE OUT.
AND SO THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES IN TERMS OF THE MATERIALS AND THE OPENINGS TO, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE HYPHEN, TO GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE, UH, OPEN FEEL SIMILAR TO THE, UH, ORIGINAL OPEN PORCH.
AND SO WITH THAT, WE WANTED TO PUT IT OUT TO YOU IN TERMS OF WHETHER THE BOARD HAS ANY PREFERENCES AS TO WHICH OPTION.
AND I THINK YOU HEARD THE APPLICANT MENTION WHAT THEIR, UH, HOPE IS IN TERMS OF THE INTENT OF THE INTERNAL USE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN RELATIVE TO THAT OPTION, UH, WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR, UH, THOUGHTS ABOUT THE MASSING, EXCUSE ME.
AND THEN WHETHER THE FOOTPRINT AND PITCHED WAIVERS ARE APPROPRIATE, AND THE BOARD'S OPINION, UH, WHETHER THE HYPHEN IS ADEQUATELY EXPRESSED, ESPECIALLY WITH OPTION, UH, TWO, UH, THE FORMS OR HOR, UH, OR HORIZONTAL WINDOWS THAT WE POINTED OUT.
AND THEN THE MATERIALS I SUGGESTED, UH, THAT, THAT'S ONE I NEGLECTED TO MENTION IS THAT, UH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MATERIALS BECAUSE THERE'S THE STONE, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE HISTORIC MATERIAL, AND THEN THERE IS SOME ELEMENTS WITH SHAKE AND SOME ELEMENTS WITH B AND BATTEN.
AND A EXPERIENCE WITH, UH, ADDITIONS TO EARLY
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STRUCTURES WOULD'VE TYPICALLY BEEN VERY SIMPLE, UH, LAB SIDING.SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE PUT OUT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT MATERIALS THERE AS WELL.
WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
VAIN, ANY QUAL UH, QUALIFYING QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? UM, PROBABLY YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, CAN YOU REITERATE FOR ME WHY OPTION ONE AND TWO WITH THIS ONE STORY VERSUS THE TWO? BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF AND THE, UM, THE DORMERS, OR WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY WAS HE MADE TO GO? I, AND MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN ANSWER THAT, BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING OPTION TWO, OPTION ONE, YOU MUST HAVE EITHER ANOTHER BEDROOM UPSTAIRS OR WHAT, WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE? OKAY, SO IN OPTION ONE, UH, WE WERE GONNA HAVE THE, STILL THE FIRST FLOOR MASTER BEDROOM AND A MASTER BATH ON THE, ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR WAS GONNA BE THE EXTRA LIVING SPACE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THIS, LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS THE OPTION THAT WE WERE GOING WITH THE WHOLE TIME, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST KEPT ASKING FOR MORE AND MORE REVISIONS AND THEN FINALLY SAID, UH, I JUST DON'T LIKE IT.
SO UNSTACK THAT PUT IT ON AS ONE STORY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'LL BE A BETTER OPTION.
SO, UH, I WASN'T REALLY GIVEN A LOT OF DETAILS.
I GOT THE FEELING, UH, THAT, UH, AGAIN, I, I GOT THE FEELING THAT THE PLANNER I WAS WORKING WITH DOESN'T NECESSARILY LIKE SHED DORMERS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL I CAN THINK OF.
OKAY, SO THE DIFFERENCE, SO MY QUESTION WAS, SO YEAH, THE DIFFERENCE IS YOU'RE LOSING LIVING SPACE YEAH.
BY GOING TO THE ONE STORY, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE MORE LOT COVERAGE AND IT IS A BIT LESS LIVING SPACE.
YOU DO TAKE THE STAIRS OUT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HELPS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT GETS RID OF LIVING SPACE ON THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR.
SO, UM, YOU DON'T LOSE AS MUCH AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, BUT YOU DO LOSE SOME DEGREE OF, OF LIVING SPACE.
UM, I MEAN, I, LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, BOTH OF THEM I THINK HAVE, UH, GOOD POINTS TO THEM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF PROS AND CONS.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I, I'M NOT REAL SURE WHY THE TWO, THE KIND OF ONE AND A HALF STORY PLAN WAS, UH, KIND OF NEGATIVELY, UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, KI KIND OF A NEGATIVE REACTION.
UM, I DID WANT TO COMMENT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STEPPING BACK IDEA OF THOSE, UH, DORMERS.
UH, I, THAT'S NOT AN IDEA THAT I LOVE, UH, BECAUSE, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IN THAT TIME PERIOD, UH, FIRST OF ALL, SHED DORMERS WERE VERY COMMON, UH, DURING THAT TIME PERIOD.
UH, AND THEY WERE NEVER STEPPED BACK INTO THE ROOF LINE.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE A LOT MORE LIKE IN CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSES, 1930S, 1940S.
BACK THEN THEY DID NOT WANNA BUILD THAT EXTRA STRUCTURE TO SUPPORT A STEP BACK, UH, DORMER.
AND YOU JUST BASICALLY LOSE LIVING SPACE OUTTA THAT SECOND FLOOR.
THEY WERE A LOT MORE PRACTICAL.
SO, AND LIKE, SORT OF PIONEER ERA HOUSES AND CABINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, WHICH IS KIND OF ONE OF MY HOBBIES.
I HAVE A HOUSE IN GATLINBURG TOO, SO LIKE APPALACHIAN STYLE IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING I'M REALLY INTO.
AND THOSE EARLY HOUSES, YOU NEVER WOULD'VE STEPPED BACK, UH, A SHED DORMER LIKE THAT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE COMPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AN IRONY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THOSE WINDOWS AREN'T VERTICAL ENOUGH, UM, BUT YOU STEP BACK THE DORMER INTO THE ROOF LINE BECAUSE THOSE WINDOWS, UH, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES I THINK IS THAT THESE ARE NOT VERY BIG DORMERS, AND SO YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF VERTICAL SPACE TO PUT WINDOWS IN.
AND THE MORE YOU STEP IT BACK, IT'S JUST LIKE IT GETS TO BE JUST A THINNER AND THINNER AREA.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY CAN'T EVEN PUT A WINDOW IN THERE.
UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME HOUSES, FOR EXAMPLE, OR SOME STRUCTURES ON HIGH STREET THAT HAVE SHED DORMERS THAT ACTUALLY ARE HISTORIC STRUCTURES WITH SHED DORMERS.
UH, AND WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THOSE IS TYPICALLY LIKE A SQUARE WINDOW.
UH, I DON'T THINK YOU EVER REALLY, UNLESS YOU HAVE A REAL STEEP ROOF PITCH, IT'S REALLY TOUGH TO PUT, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE A REAL VERTICAL STYLE WINDOW, LIKE A DOUBLE HUNG OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT INTO A SHED DORMER, UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY ON A WINDOW, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY, HE WAS REFERRING TO THE PITCH, UH, BEING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ON THIS.
UM, AND I WENT AROUND, I MEASURED THE, THE ROOF PITCH ON THE HOUSE, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF ITS SORT OF PRIMITIVE CONSTRUCTION, YOU GET A LOT OF DIFFERENT MEASUREMENTS DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU PUT YOUR THING ON THE ROOF.
AND IT SORT OF VARIED BETWEEN AROUND EIGHT TO AROUND NINE PITCH.
SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT VARIABLE BACK ON THE KITCHEN WING IN PARTICULAR.
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THERE WAS, UH, SORT OF, IT DID TEND MORE TOWARDS A NINE PITCH, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE TO USE A NINE PITCH ON THAT, UH, PARTICULAR ADDITION.UH, AND THEN THE OTHER REASON IS JUST TO GIVE IT LESS OF A SORT OF UPRIGHT AND VERTICAL FEEL BECAUSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY A LOT OF THE TIME WE SHED DORMERS, IF YOU COULD DO LIKE A 14 PITCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU CAN GET A REALLY NICE DORMER WITH REALLY BIG WINDOWS IN IT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK IN THIS HOUSE, BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN THE ROOF PITCH BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND THE ADDITION, SO YOU'RE, YOU REALLY ARE CONSTRAINED TO NOT DO MUCH MORE THAN EIGHT OR NINE PITCH ON THIS, WHICH IS KIND OF WHY THE DORMERS END UP HAVING SMALLER WINDOWS IN IT.
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, I MEAN, I WOULD ARGUE IT IS KIND OF FEDERAL, BUT IT'S REALLY VERNACULAR.
I MEAN, IT JUST GOT PILED UP
I, I DON'T, I THINK THE FEDERAL ARCHITECTURE WITH DELICATE DETAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YEAH, IT'S NOT REALLY, DOES NOT DESCRIBE OUR HOUSE
WELL, DO YOU KNOW, YOU WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THAT PORCH.
UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT MY BELIEF ABOUT THAT PORCH IS.
UM, I, UH, I'M NOT SURE IT WAS EVER REALLY ALL THAT OPEN.
UM, THE, UH, UH, COULD, COULD YOU GO TO THE PICTURE OF THE PORCH SO WE CAN KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THAT? UM, YEAH, THE KIND OF THIS, UH, NORTH ELEVATION OF THE PORCH, UM, I, MY PERSONAL BELIEF IS THAT THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WITH THOSE LIKE METAL WINDOWS, THAT WAS PROBABLY THE ORIGINAL PORCH DESIGN THERE.
AND WHAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THAT VERSUS THE SORT OF PUNCHED OUT PART TO THE LEFT THERE, UM, IS THAT THE PART ON THE RIGHT WITH THE METAL FRAMED WINDOWS IN IT IS ACTUALLY COMPLETELY FRAMED IN WOOD.
AND, UH, THE PART ON THE LEFT, UH, THAT I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOOD WAS REMOVED, THAT THOSE WINDOWS WERE REMOVED.
UH, AND AGAIN, THIS WAS, UH, ELI PENNEY, HE, UH, IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW RIGHT HERE, BUT THERE'S A DIVIDING WALL IN THE CENTER OF THAT PORCH EDITION RIGHT NOW.
AND SO THE PART ON THE RIGHT, UH, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A REALLY HOT DURING THE SUMMER, COLD DURING THE WINTER, UH, THING BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, JUST, IT'S GOT THAT SINGLE PANE GLASS JUST, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF GLASS IN IT.
THE PART ON THE LEFT, I BELIEVE THAT HE TOOK OUT THOSE BIG WINDOWS ON THERE, PUT IN THE CONCRETE BLOCK.
AND ELI PENNEY LOVED CONCRETE BLOCK.
HE WAS A, A MASON, SO I MEAN, THAT WAS HIS FAVORITE BUILDING MATERIAL.
AND THEN HE BASICALLY WANTED TO SORT OF INSULATE IT A LITTLE BETTER, PUT A SMALLER WINDOW THERE.
AND SO THAT'S THE PART THAT I SHOWED THE PICTURE OF THE INSIDE OF.
AND SO THAT PART, WE, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HAVE HEATING OR AIR CONDITIONING SORT OF DUCT WORK IN IT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE'D WANNA CORRECT, BUT, UH, IT'S REASONABLY WARM DURING THE WINTER AND REASONABLY COOL DURING THE SUMMER.
UH, SO HE DID A FAIRLY GOOD JOB AT WHAT HE WAS DOING, BUT THAT LITTLE PUNCHED OUT PER PORTION IS THE PART THAT'S CONCRETE, THE PART ON THE BOTTOM WITH THE LITTLE, UH, LIKE DETAILS ON IT THAT IS A, UM, LIKE A MOLDED OR FORMED CONCRETE IS WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS.
AND SO, YEAH, PROBABLY, UM, YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I, AND I, I MEAN, INTERESTED IN STAFF.
I, I SEE, I FIND IT HARD TO SEE HOW IT COULD HAVE BEEN LIKE AN OPEN PORCH JUST BECAUSE OF THE, YEAH, I, I DON'T, DON'T, IT REALLY WAS AN OPEN PORCH, I BELIEVE IT WAS BASICALLY WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT, BUT THAT EXTENDED ALL THE WAY ACROSS AT ONE TIME.
AND SO, UH, PROBABLY IT WAS, UH, MORE LIKE A SUNROOM KIND OF THING, BUT AN UNCONDITIONED SPACE.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.
DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY WOULD'VE GOTTEN FROM THE FRONT TO THE HOUSE AT THAT FRONT TO THE BACK, OR DO YOU THINK THROUGH THE BATHROOM? IS THAT WAS STILL OPEN? GO AHEAD.
YES, IT CAME, THEY CAME, YOU COULD FROM JUST ALSO STATE, STATE YOUR NAME ALSO JUST DAVID DAVID HAM, 32 81 RI UH, LILY MA COURT.
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CAN'T STAND, NOT SAY RIVERVIEW STREETAND IT HAD THE, WELL, ORIGINALLY IT WASN'T THERE.
THAT'S WHERE THE BASEMENT ACCESS WAS FROM THE OUTSIDE DOWN A STAIRWAY.
AND THEN WHEN THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK PAT DAVIS PUT IT ON IN THE EARLY THIRTIES OR SOMETIME BETWEEN TWENTIES AND THIRTIES WHEN HE, HE WAS THERE THERE AND UNTIL THE LATE THIRTIES WHEN WELL SKIP THAT, UH, PENNY'S BOUGHT IT IN 1938, I BELIEVE, AND IT WAS TOTALLY FALLEN APART.
THE, UH, THE DAVISES WERE ALCOHOLICS AND THEY DIDN'T DO ANY
THEY'RE VERY COLORFUL, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO THAT.
UH, THEY HAD A STILL, BY THE WAY, UP OVER THE KITCHEN.
UH, WE WISH WE HAD THE STILL, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT WENT.
BUT ANY, ANYWAY, THEY, UH, LET THE HOUSE RUN DOWN IN THE LATTER YEARS SO THAT THEY SOLD DURING THE DEPRESSION, THEY SOLD THE HARDWOOD, UH, THE ASH FLOORING FROM THE LIVING ROOM.
UH, THE ASH FLOORING REMAINED IN THE, IN THE L PART, THE KITCHEN L BUT THEY SOLD IT FROM THE LIVING ROOM.
AND THEY SOLD A BEAUTIFUL WALNUT, UH, STAIRCASE THAT WENT FROM THE FRONT ROOM TO THE UPSTAIRS, AND THEY PROBABLY GOT A GOOD PENNY FOR THAT DURING THE DEPRESSION.
AND THEN THEY PUT IN PLYWOOD, UH, INSTEAD OF A FLOOR, THEY JUST LAID PLYWOOD ACROSS THE BEAMS. UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY SURVIVED LIKE THAT.
UH, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S THE CONDITION.
WHEN PENNY'S BOUGHT IT, THEY NEVER SAW THE UPSTAIRS.
THEY ONLY ONLY SAW THE DOWNSTAIRS BECAUSE OF THERE WAS NO ACCESS TO THE UPSTAIRS ANYMORE.
BUT THERE WERE JUST TWO OF THEM.
AND EVENTUALLY, THAT'S WHERE THE COLORFUL STORY COMES IN.
UH, SHE SHOT HIM IN A, THEY, THEY DID A LOT OF FIGHTING AND IN THE KITCHEN, AND THE BULLETS WERE GONE BY THE TIME, UH, WE GOT
SO THEY MADE A QUICK CONSULTATION AND DECIDED THAT IT WAS SUICIDE.
BUT THE MAN WHO FOUND THEM, WHICH IS UH, LIVED TWO DOORS DOWN, PARKER EVERLY, PARKER EVERLY, YEAH.
UH, SAID THE, THE RIFLE WAS ACROSS, WAS IT A SHOTGUN? I DON'T KNOW.
IT WAS A SHOTGUN WAS ACROSS THE ROOM AND HE SAYS YOU CAN'T SHOOT YOURSELF.
SO PARKER EVERLY WAS THE ONE, SHE DIDN'T SHOOT HERSELF, BUT THE OFFICIALS THOUGHT, UH, THAT WAS APPROPRIATE.
SO NOT THAT I, I'M HAPPY TO, BUT, BUT WE DON'T NEED ALL WE KEEP, YEAH, WE KIND KEEP A LITTLE MORE ON TOPIC HERE.
MY, MY THEORY IS THOSE STONE, THOSE, UH, UM, WHATEVER YOU CALL THOSE WINDOWS, I IRON WINDOWS THAT YOU CAN ROLL OPEN WAS, WERE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE ELI PENNEY CLOSED THAT IN, AND ANNETTA SAID THAT, THAT HE BUILT THE, PUT THE CEMENT BLOCK UP IN ORDER TO GET IT ONTO THE INSIDE TO GAIN A LITTLE EXTRA SPACE AND THAT YOU COULD THEN COME THROUGH AND AIR WOULD CIRCULATE.
BUT HE WAS ALSO DO NEEDED TO DO THAT BECAUSE HE WAS THE ONE WHO BLOCKED OFF THE ACCESS FROM THE KITCHEN WING TO THE, TO THE FRONT ROOM BEFORE THEY WERE THERE WHEN DAVISES WERE THERE.
YOU COULD WALK STRAIGHT THROUGH THERE.
SO YOU DIDN'T NEED THE OUTSIDE.
HE BLOCKED THAT OFF AND, UH, NEEDED AN ACCESS RUNNING THROUGH THIS LITTLE PART.
COULD, SO COULD, COULD WE GO BACK THEN TO THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE TWO OPTIONS ON THAT SIDE, ON THAT NORTH SIDE? BECAUSE THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS IS 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, THE ONE, THE ONE THAT HAS, UH, THE DRAWINGS OF THE TWO OPTIONS.
'CAUSE I'M PRETTY VESTED IN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
WELL, YEAH, THE, THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE ELEVATION, I GUESS.
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YEAH.SO THIS, THIS IS OPTION ONE AND, OKAY, SO I'VE, I'VE HEARD WHAT JEFF HAS SAID, SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR AGAIN 'CAUSE WE'RE WE'RE HEARING DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT WHY OPTION ONE WASN'T PREFERRED AND MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S SARAH
YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE SAYING OPTION ONE.
I THINK THIS IS THE QUESTION THAT'S BEING PUT OUT TO YOU IS WHETHER THERE'S A PREFERENCE FOR ONE OPTION OR ANOTHER.
I THINK THE DISCUSSION, AND I WASN'T PARTY TO THAT, SO I, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I THINK THE DISCUSSION WAS REALLY ABOUT SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE RAISED ABOUT THE, UH, UH, REFINING THE DETAILS AND WHETHER THE SHED DORMERS WERE APPROPRIATE AND WHETHER THE, UH, MATERIALS WERE APPROPRIATE AND THE ROOF PITCHES AND, AND SO FORTH.
AND SO IT WAS MORE OF TRYING TO, UH, WORK THROUGH THOSE AND WHETHER THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REFINED.
AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
NO, DON'T APOL, THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.
YEAH, I, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SHE JUST KIND OF HAD A PREFERENCE FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST MAYBE A LOWER THING BECAUSE SHE DID SEEM TO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, SOME KIND OF A, AN ISSUE WITH THE ROOF ON THIS BEING A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN THE ROOF ON THE KITCHEN EL AND THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF POINTING THAT OUT.
'CAUSE I TRIED TO EXPLAIN THAT TO HER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, A PICTURE'S WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN, IT'S LIKE, WELL, THAT'S A ONE AND A HALF STORY THING, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE MODERN CODE ONE AND A HALF STORIES.
UH, AND THIS IS MODERN CODE ONE AND A HALF STORIES, SO IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT TALLER.
UM, BUT HERE IS WHERE WE'RE, I MEAN, I THINK NOW IS WHERE WE'RE THE SPOT WHERE, FROM SOME DISCUSSION.
'CAUSE I MEAN, OPTION ONE, I MEAN, THEY'RE, BOTH OPTIONS ARE RIGHT AS A, AS THE OWNER SAYS, THEY'RE BOTH VALID IN A CERTAIN WAY.
ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK TOO, I WAS ASKED TO DO SOMETHING, HE WAS KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ROOF AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LITTLE NOTCH OVER ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE ON THE ROOF, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M NOT REAL WILD ABOUT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT WAS JUST SO THAT THE ROOF DOESN'T TOUCH THE STONE AT THE FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I, TO ME, COSMETICALLY THAT'S A LITTLE HARSH, YOU KNOW, I'D RATHER HAVE LIKE A STRAIGHT ROOF LINE ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
SO I MEAN, I, I WOULDN'T MIND SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THAT, THE PORCHES WILL PROBABLY LOOK PRETTY IDENTICAL I THINK, ON BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS, EXCEPT FOR THE HYPHEN BEING A LITTLE SHORTER.
UH, AND SO IT'S REALLY JUST A QUESTION OF SORT OF THE MASS OF THIS BACK, UH, THING THAT, UM, AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE JUST WANTING TO GET AN OPINION.
AND LIKE I SAID, MY PERSONAL OPINION, I KIND OF LIKE 'EM BOTH.
UH, AND SO I WOULDN'T BE UPSET IF, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IF THE BOARD SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK THAT JUST LOOKS BETTER.
I THINK NOW I THINK WE JUST TAKE A MOMENT BECAUSE IF YOU COULD PUT THE, UH, QUESTIONS, THE, THE, MAYBE WE JUST TAKE A QUICK, UH, LOOK AT, 'CAUSE THE FIRST ONE IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT OPTION ONE VERSUS OPTION TWO.
OPTION ONE BEING THE MORE THE TALLER ONE, OPTION TWO BEING THE SHORT, UH, SHORTER ONE, I WOULD SAY.
YEAH, AND MAYBE TO, TO CLARIFY, I MEAN, WE, WE PUT IT IN THAT, UH, FRAME, BUT IT MAY BE THAT IN THE END THERE ARE BITS AND PIECES OF BOTH OPTIONS.
SO I THINK WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR IS FEEDBACK ON SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED.
AND THEN IF THERE IS A PREFERENCE, UH, TO, WELL, I WANNA, I WANTED TO UNDER UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES.
I DO THINK THE ARTICULATION OF THE L IN THE FIRST OPTION, IT MAKES IT MORE, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE AN L ON THE OTHER HAND, I, I HATE, I I SEE WHY YOU WANT BACKYARD.
I MEAN, MAXIMIZING THE BACKYARD, IT'S PROBABLY, WHICH IS MORE, UM, DESIRED I GUESS.
AND SO, UM, WHILE I LIKE THE L HOW IT'S ARTICULATED IN OPTION ONE, I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF SHORTENING THAT L TO HAVE MORE YARD.
I MEAN FOR YOU, JUST, SO I MEAN, I, YOU HAVE SOME PRE PREFERENCE OR A COMBINATION.
I MEAN, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE, BUT IT'S NOT A HEAVY PREFERENCE.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S, I WONDERED IF AN OPTION TWO, YOU COULD STILL ARTICULATE THE LA LITTLE BIT MORE.
HOWEVER, I KNOW WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE TAKING UP MORE OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE.
SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THE PROPERTY OWNER'S TRYING TO AVOID.
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THINK THAT OPTION ONE HAS A BETTER, FROM THE DRAWINGS HAS A BETTER, UM, DEFINITION OR SUBORDINATE.LOOK, THE ADDITION LOOKS SUBORDINATE TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
UM, IF WE CAN SHOW OPTION TWO FROM THE NORTH, I WILL POINT OUT WHY I AM NOT AS FAVORABLE TO THIS.
TO ME, IN OPTION TWO, THIS JUST LOOKS REALLY CROWDED HERE AND THE HOUSE IS SO SMALL AND HAS SUCH A COLORFUL HISTORY WITH THE CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE STYLES AND THE ADDITIONS AND THE CHANGES IN THE CEMENT BLOCK AND ALL THAT.
TO ME, IT LOOKS MORE IN THE OPTION ONE WITH THE TWO STORY AND MAYBE JUST FLATTENING THE ROOF A LITTLE BIT WOULD BE THE BETTER, UM, OPTION TO, TO PURSUE.
I LIKE HOW THE, UM, PORCH THING IS HANDLED.
I'M JUST TRYING, BUT JUST, I MEAN, JUST SO I CAN CLARIFY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE OTHER ONE? I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T EITHER.
I THINK IT DOES LOOK MORE, UH, LIKE IT IS A DIFFERENT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR MIC OH, I DO AGREE WITH YOU.
AND I THINK IT DOES LOOK MORE APPROPRIATE AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A DIFFERENT ERA AND THIS DOES LOOK KIND OF BLOCKY AND OKAY.
IF YOU GO, IF WE CAN GO TO THE PICTURE FOR ONE, THE NORTH ELEVATION PICTURE.
AND TO ME, THE OPTICS OF IT MAKES IT LOOK SUBORDINATE, MAKES IT LOOK SEPARATED WITH THE, UM, I, I JUST THINK THIS IS A BETTER LOOK PERSONALLY.
I JUST THINK IT LOOKS, AND I LIKE HOW THAT IS OPENED UP OVER HERE ON THIS.
AND I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH YOU ON YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THIS NOTCH.
OH, I SAY I JUST, WE GO ON THE CEILING YEAH.
OR IN THE ROOF LINE ON THAT L EXTENSION THING.
UM, SO I PREFER, I GUESS I PREFER OPTION ONE WITH PERHAPS SOME CHANGES IN THE SLOPE OF THE ROOF LINE TO MAKE IT LOOK FLATTER.
WELL, IT'S ALREADY PRETTY FLAT.
I LIKE OPTION ONE TWO FOR THE HYPHEN.
I, I THINK THAT, AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, IT SPACES IT OUT, IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE WHAT WE SEE ALL DOWN.
YOU KNOW, ANY TIME THEY PUT ON A, WITH A REQUIREMENT FOR A HYPHEN, IT ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE TWO HOUSES, WHICH YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
SO, UM, I PREFER THE BIGGER HYPHEN THAT YOU GET WITH OPTION TWO.
UM, OPTION ONE, THE OPTION ONE, THE TWO STORY.
UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE WINDOWS IN THE DORMERS.
I DON'T LIKE THE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS.
I KNOW WE JUST APPROVED SQUARE WINDOWS IN THE RIVERSIDE VIEW REASON, UM, WHICH WE ALSO ARE, I THINK THAT WOULD TOTALLY AMENABLE TO, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WINDOW WE CAN GET THAT WILL FIT IN THERE.
YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND PROBLEM.
I DO THINK WE COULD, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T REALLY MY, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS DESIGNED BY MY ARCHITECT AND YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK THAT MUCH ABOUT THOSE WINDOWS.
AND I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S A WAY YOU COULD PROBABLY GET MORE VERTICALNESS TO THOSE WINDOWS TO GET A SQUARE WINDOW IN.
I REMEMBER GROWING UP WE HAD LITTLE DORMERS IN OUR 1870S, FIFTIES HOUSE AND TINY LITTLE VERTICAL WINDOWS.
YOU DON'T WANT THOSE, BUT YEAH.
UM, ANYWAY, IT'S, I, I KIND OF THINK, I MEAN, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE DORMS, THE BACK VIEW OF THAT.
I MEAN, IT DOES LOOK TO ME LIKE YOU COULD LOWER THAT TRIM DOWN AND YOU COULD PROBABLY GET A BIGGER SQUARE WINDOW IN THERE.
SO I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN WORK ON.
I, I, I WILL WARN YOU, WE WEREN'T TOO, YOU KNOW, STAFF AND WE WERE A LITTLE QUEASY ABOUT THE SQUARE ANYWAY, SO, YOU KNOW.
VERTICAL'S, THE, THE, THE, YEAH, THE GOLD STANDARD.
I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO HAVE VERTICAL, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER OPTION.
SO BEFORE WE, LET'S, BEFORE LET'S GO DOWN ONE QUESTION AT TIME BEFORE WE KIND OF CLARIFY.
I I THINK OPTION ONE IS THE, UH, IS THE BETTER OPTION OF THE TWO.
UH, I REALIZE THE ROOF PITCH AND, AND THE FOOTPRINT ARE AN ISSUE ALSO.
BUT AS FAR AS THE FOOTPRINT, THE COVERAGE AREA, UM,
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AS A SIDE NOTE, THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING AND I AS ORIENTATION MATERIAL, I WAS GIVEN THE, UM, HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN.AND ON PAGE 51, UH, UNDER OUTBUILDINGS, THE SHED IN THE BACK, WHICH IS CONSIDERED PART OF THE COVERAGE.
SO IT TAKES YOU OVER 25% THAT SHED CORRECT, CORRECT.
WHICH ON SOMEWHAT OF AN OFF NOTE, AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA DIVERT THE CONVERSATION TOO MUCH, BUT THAT SHED IS REALLY NEAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ABSOLUTELY INCORPORATED IN THE BACK DISCUSS.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING I TALKED ABOUT WITH THE PLANNER, YOU KNOW, UH, WHICH SHE GOT PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
IT'S ACTUALLY GOT A PRIVY IN IT TOO, WHICH YOU DON'T SEE THAT VERY OFTEN.
SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE WANT TO KEEP.
SO OPTION ONE WOULD BE MY PREFERRED OPTION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FURTHER, UH, EMPHASIS ON THAT SHED, I REALIZE THAT TAKES YOU OVER THE 25%, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WELL, THE SHED, THE SHED IS PART OF THE COVERAGE.
BUT IT'S PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
SO TO KIND OF GO OFF THE THING, I ACTUALLY, UH, I LIKE THE SIM MORE SIMPLICITY OF OPTION TWO.
I DON'T MIND THE HEIGHT SO MUCH, BUT I FIND THE ROOF LINES ON THE ONE HERE A LITTLE BIT OVERWHELMING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT FROM, WELL, FROM THE OTHER, FROM THE NORTH SIDE, YOU LOOK AT IT, IT, IT FEELS A LITTLE, UH, YEAH, ON THAT SIDE.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A VERY SIMPLE HOUSE AND YOU WANT TO ADD MM-HMM
ADD, YOU WANT TO ADD SPACE AND ADD SOMETHING TO THE BACK.
I THINK THE ROOF LINES ARE JUST PREMIER KIND OF DISTRACTING.
YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IT'S A MODERN HOU, IT'S A MORE MODERN HOUSE, BUT YOU KNOW, FROM A SYMPATHETIC STANDPOINT, IT FEELS, IF YOU LOOK FROM BOTH SIDES, YOU ARE LIKE, THAT'S A VERY, YOU GOT A VERY SIMPLE HOUSE AND KIND OF PUTTING, THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'VE GOT KIND OF A BUSY LOOK ON ALL SIDES, I WOULD SAY.
YOU GOT IT ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AND IF YOU LOOK FROM THE, FROM THE DORMER SIDE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF WINDOWS, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT ROOFS, UH, GOING ON THERE.
UM, FOR ME, I DON'T MIND THE HEIGHT.
I DON'T, I, THE, THE COMPLEXITY OF, OF OPTION ONE FOR ME IS A LITTLE OFFPUT.
WHEN I LOOKED AT IT FIRST, I, THE, THE MM-HMM
THE MORE SIMPLICITY PART OF, OF OPTION TWO, IT'S GOT TWO GABLES.
AND FOR ME IT'S A, I I FEEL THAT'S BETTER.
I'M NOT TOO CON, THE HEIGHT FOR ME IS ALSO WE'VE, WE'VE HAD HIGH HIGHER HOUSES IN THE, IN THE BACK AND IT'S NOT HIGHER THAN YOUR FRONT HOUSE.
SO FROM A MASSING STANDPOINT, I'M NOT SO CONCERNED.
AND I ALSO DO LIKE THE HYPHEN BETTER ON THIS ONE THAN ON OPTION TWO.
SO FROM A, I THINK, I THINK FROM THAT STANDPOINT, YOU'RE KIND OF GETTING A VIEW THAT OPTION ONE, I THINK PEOPLE SEE OPTION ONE AS, AS KIND OF AN ACCEPTABLE OPTION.
I THINK NOW MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, B MAYBE THE NEXT ONE.
'CAUSE I THINK NOW PE WE SEE NOW ROOF PITCH COULD BE SOME ISSUES, MAYBE ROOF COMPLEXITY, SQUARE WINDOWS.
UH, AS, AS THE MASSING COMES TOGETHER FROM THE OPTIONS.
DO YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THE QUESTIONS? YEAH, GO BACK TO THE QUESTIONS.
SO I THINK, SO I THINK WE, ON TWO, I THINK, I THINK OPTION, IT LOOKS LIKE OPTION ONE, THE BOARD COULD BE OKAY.
WITH THAT FROM A, FROM A MORE OR LESS A HEIGHT THAN HOW IT LOOKS, THE SUBORDINATION OF THAT BEHIND YOUR ORIGINAL HOUSE, EVEN THOUGH THE HEIGHT OF THE NEW HOUSE WOULD BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THE L ON THE OTHER ONE.
UH, MASSING WISE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A, I MEAN, MY ONLY CONCERN THERE IS I, I THINK THE, MAYBE IT'S NOT MASSING, BUT THE COMPLEXITY OF THE MASSING, IT JUST KIND OF FLOWS IN A COUPLE OF, UH MM-HMM
UH, THE ROOF, AND IT'S PROBABLY IN THREE, BUT THE ROOF PITCHES AND HOW MANY ROOFS THERE ARE IN THERE KIND OF FLOW IN A, IN A NOT SYMPATHETIC WAY TO, TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
IT DOESN'T, IT FLOWS BACK AND YOU'RE LIKE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE LIKE, WOW, THAT'S GONNA BE SIMPLE.
THEN, 'CAUSE THE HOUSE IS BEAUTIFUL.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, JUST THE STONE HOUSE SITTING THERE, I THINK IT, IT LOOKED, IT JUST LOOKS, YOU LOOK AT THAT HOUSE FROM THE FRONT, YOU'RE LIKE, WOW, THAT IS A, THAT'S A PRETTY HOUSE.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS YOU GO FLOW AROUND, PEOPLE GO, THAT'S PRETTY.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, OOH, THAT'S A, SOMETHING DIFFERENT SITTING THERE.
THAT'S, UH, REALLY MORE NOT IN KEEPING WITH WHAT, WHAT THE FRONT ONE LOOKS LIKE ANY ON THE, ON TWO OR TWO.
AND WE'VE, I'VE MOVED INTO THREE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS ON MM-HMM
TWO VERSUS THREE? I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ANYBODY OPPOSED TO GRANTING A FOOTPRINT OR, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD DISCUSS THE ROOF PITCH BECAUSE HE DID SHOW, WENT TO THE TROUBLE OF SHOWING US THE DIFFERENT LINES.
UM, BUT I AM, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE WAIVER FOR THE FOOTPRINT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THIS SHED.
AND I'M NOT, I ASSUME THE ROOF PITCH WAIVERS ARE FOR THE, I THINK IT'S FOR THE PORCH, RIGHT? FOR THE PORCH.
BECAUSE BECAUSE I THINK TO MAKE IT, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT IF IT'S BELOW SIX PITCH OR SOMETHING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WAIVER.
NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF COVERING IT UP.
I'M, UH, THAT IS ALLEVIATED SINCE YOU DID THE CALCULATIONS AND YOU DON'T
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THINK IT'LL COVER UP THE ORIGINAL.YEAH, I, I DON'T SEE IT'S GONNA HIT THAT WINDOW AT ALL.
THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN, BECAUSE FOR ME, I'M CERTAINLY FROM THE FOOTPRINT STANDPOINT, I'M, I'M FULLY OKAY IF YOU YEAH.
FOOTPRINT, I'M FINE WITH IF YOU'RE IN THE 28TH, 27, 20, AND AGAIN, WE'VE DONE IT WITH OTHER HOUSES NEARBY.
DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT ABOUT THE ROOF PITCH FOR ME? I WOULD KEEP ON YOUR NEW ADDITION, I WOULD.
NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OLD 1930S.
I WOULD KEEP IT AS LOW AS YOU CAN.
THAT MECHANICALLY GETS THE WATER AWAY, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BECAUSE I STILL THINK YOU, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS BEAUTIFUL, SO YOU WANT TO KEEP AS MUCH AS YOU CAN MM-HMM
BUT YOU ALSO DON'T WANT THE ROOF TO LEAK.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED THREE.
IF YOU COULD DO TWO AND A HALF AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THAT'S MECHANICALLY SOUND, I WOULD KIND OF CHALLENGE A LITTLE BIT TO SAY, HEY, IF YOU GO UH, THREE, WHY WOULD TWO AND A HALF NOT WORK? SO FOR ME, IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING YOURSELF OR YOUR ARCHITECT TO SAY, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO SAVE, WELL, I MEAN A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH JUST THE TYPES OF ROOFING YOU CAN USE.
LIKE CER LIKE YOU HAVE TO DO LIKE DOUBLE SEAM, STANDING SEAM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM WORK ON, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GO BELOW THREE AND OTHER ONES, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GO DOWN TO TWO.
SO I, FOR ME, WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR THE MINOR, I, I WOULD BE MORE CHALLENGE JUST IF YOU GO TO THREE OR FOUR OR SOMETHING, THAT'D BE MORE CHALLENGING ON THAT SIDE.
BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE WAIVER MARK.
UH, YEAH, NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
I, I, I AND THE FINAL PLANS, IT WOULD LIKE BE NICE TO SEE THE EFFECT THAT ROOF HAS ON THAT WINDOW.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
NO, AND I PERSONALLY, I THINK WE COULD, I THINK WE COULD ADJUST THAT IF, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST DURING CONSTRUCTION, 'CAUSE IT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT HARD TO TELL JUST BECAUSE OF LIKE EXACTLY HOW HIGH IS ALL THAT STUFF GONNA GO ONCE YOU START DOING IT.
BUT I THINK WE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY SET SO THAT IT JUST GOES RIGHT BELOW THAT WINDOW AND UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING, IT COULD BE 2.8, IT COULD BE 2.5, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THESE OLD HOUSES, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS BUILT TO STANDARD MEASURES ANYWAY, SO.
WHAT'S STANDARD
ANYBODY, I MEAN, FOR ME, ANYBODY HAVING, I THINK THE OPTION ONE HYPHEN IS GREAT.
LONGER HYPHEN, AS LONG A HYPHEN AS YOU CAN GET IS BETTER
SO I REALLY, I THINK MAYBE THAT'S WHY I LIKE OPTION ONE SO MUCH BETTER.
THE HYPHEN HAS A WINDOW IN OPTION ONE.
I THINK IT, WELL, IT HAS A DOOR.
I DON'T, I, NO, I THINK WE JUST DID LIKE A WINDOW DOOR.
A DOOR, BUT IT'S STILL GOT SOMETHING IN IT.
IT'S GOT A DOOR AND, AND WHAT IT ALSO GIVES IS IT, IT LEAVES THE THREE COLUMNS AND THEN ADDS THIS NEXT ONE OVER.
I JUST THINK THAT REALLY BRINGS IT OUT.
OTHERWISE IT'S LIKE, MOVE THIS DOOR OVER RIGHT HERE NEXT TO THIS COLUMN AND THEN START THE NEW HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DOOR.
I DID, I JUST DIDN'T LIKE THAT.
I THINK THE HYPHEN AND OPTION ONE IS MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE.
UM, UH, I LIKE THAT OPEN FUEL AND IT SEPARATES THE NEW EDITION FROM THE TWO PREVIOUS, UH, THE 1930S AND THE MM-HMM
WHAT, WHAT ABOUT THAT? THE LITTLE NOTCH, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT AND EXPLAIN TO ME THAT JUST MEANS THE ROOF IS SHORTER ON THE LEFT SIDE OF IT.
AND WHEN YOU SHORTEN IT, OF COURSE IT'S, IT GOES UP LIKE THAT TOO.
UM, AND TO, TO ME IT LOOKS A LITTLE AWKWARD.
AND I'M NOT SURE THE REASONING FOR IT.
WHAT WAS THE, WELL, IT, WE WERE ASKED TO DO IT.
NO, I UNDERSTAND IT FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, WHY WERE YOU ASKED TO DO IT SO THAT THE ROOF DOESN'T TOUCH THE STONE PART OF THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OH, SO, SO IT EXPOSES MORE OF THE OLD IT EX YEAH.
BUT HOW, BUT HOW MUCH MORE? UM, IT'S ABOUT TWO FEET, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT, UH, IT, IT'S NOT REALLY GONNA BE USABLE PORCH THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY I WASN'T THAT BOTHERED.
THAT IS LIKE, WELL, YOU'RE NOT REALLY LOSING PORCH BECAUSE IT'S ONLY, THE PORCH IS ONLY GONNA BE LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE PART THAT SORT OF POPS OUT, UH, ON THE ADDITION.
UM, BUT IT JUST KIND OF LOOKS AWKWARD AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY APPRECIABLY DIFFERENT WITH HOW MUCH OF THE ROOF OR THE BUILDING'S COVERED.
UM, I MEAN, TO ME IT JUST KIND OF LIKE, MAKES IT LOOK LIKE REALLY WEIRD FROM THE SIDE.
AND I DON'T THINK IT REALLY IS THAT MUCH OF ADVANTAGE, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IT IS AN OPEN PORCH ANYWAY, SO LIKE
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EVERYTHING ABOVE AND BELOW IS STILL GONNA BE VISIBLE.IT'S JUST BASICALLY WHERE THE ROOF RUNS DOWN OR IT'S GONNA BE YEAH.
COVERING UP OVER OF STONE GOES AND IT STEPS DOWN AND THAT GOES BACK UP.
BUT THE STEP DOWN DOES THEN GO AROUND THE, WHERE, WHERE THE, UH, EXISTING STONE IS, CORRECT? UH, I DON'T, I I DON'T FOLLOW, NO, IT DOESN'T GO AROUND.
SO CAN, CAN I SEE ANOTHER, LEMME GO BACK TO A PHOTO OF THAT SIDE THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
SO BASICALLY IT WOULD BE LIKE, YOU SEE THAT EXTENSION I HAVE ON THAT LINE COMING OUT, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WOULD END UP BEING COVERED.
THAT WORK, THIS ACTUALLY, THIS LEFT PICTURE BROUGHT UP A QUESTION FOR ME ARE WITH THE NEW RENOVATION OF THE 1930 PORCH, ARE YOU BRINGING IT FLUSH WITH THE PENNY EXTENSION OR BRINGING IT FLUSH OUT? MM-HMM.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE, THE PENNY EXTENSION, AS YOU DESCRIBED IT, UM, IS FURTHER OUT THAN THE OLD ORIGINAL PART, RIGHT.
THE, THE LINE ACTUALLY, IF YOU GO TO THE PLAN VIEW, YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER PROBABLY.
I, I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOW YEAH, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE YEAH.
OR MAYBE THE FOOT IT WOULD BE THE SAME IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
SEE THAT ONE RIGHT THERE SO IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY.
BUT THE, THE LINE OF THE PORCH, YOU WANNA BE THE SAME GOT IT.
SO THAT'S THE LITTLE NOTCH RIGHT THERE.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S DRAWN EXACTLY RIGHT ON THIS SITE PLAN WHERE IT, OKAY.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S PROBABLY THE PORCH IS MORE LIKE WHAT YOU SEE ON THAT, UH, OPTION TWO THING, BUT IT JUST HAS THAT LONGER HYPHEN AND SO THAT'S THE LITTLE NOTCH YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE.
FOR ME, I MEAN, I THINK FROM, AT LEAST FROM A GUIDELINE STANDPOINT, I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO NOT COVER, I MEAN MM-HMM.
WHAT SOME OF IT'S PREFERENCE, BUT CERTAINLY THE GUIDELINE IS ENCOURAGING OR SOMETIMES ENFORCING US TO NOT COVER UP THE OLD STRUCTURE
SO I GET IT LOOKS A LITTLE ODD, BUT CERTAINLY WE WANT TO TRY TO PRESERVE IT.
MAYBE WHEN YOU COME WITH THE FULL THING, YOU CAN SAY THAT IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
BUT CERTAINLY, I MEAN, THE INTENT IS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE YOUR, YOUR, UH, BEAUTIFUL HOUSE.
I THINK IT'S BALANCED BETWEEN THE PROPORTION OF IT LOOKING STRAIGHT ACROSS VERSUS THE EXTRA TWO FEET OF STONE.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT.
THAT PROPORTION PROBABLY LOOKS BETTER THAN WORRYING ABOUT SEEING TWO FEET OF STONE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE, AND I PROBABLY WOULD DISAGREE.
THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU COME BACK, HOW WE HAVE A DEBATE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YEAH.
MAYBE WHAT THE ANSWER IS, IS THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER IT UNTIL WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABLE TO ANSWER TO KIND OF SEE WHAT IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE KIND ON A DRAWING.
SO MAYBE I DON'T, I'M WITH THE YEAH.
IF YOU COME BACK TO SAY, OKAY, IF I DO THIS, YOU'RE STILL GONNA SEE EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT WHATEVER'S ATTACHED THE HOUSE.
SO FOR ME, CERTAINLY FROM THE CODES, US TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE TELLING US, WE WANNA NOT COVER THE HOUSE UP.
UH, AND THEN WE WENT TO ALL THE QUESTIONS YET.
UH, I THINK HYPHEN I THINK WE'RE ALL THE OPTION.
THE LONGER HYPHEN OPTION FOR US, I THINK IS MORE, MORE APPROPRIATE.
THE FORMS OF THE, LET'S SAY THE FORM, LET'S SAY ALL THE FORMS THAT ARE IN THERE.
ARE YOU ON FIVE OR FIVE? FIVE.
FIVE IS OH, PORCH FORMS AND, OR HORIZONTAL.
SO PORCH FORMS, WE TRIED TALK ABOUT THE HORIZONTAL.
SO HORIZONTAL WINDOWS TRY TO MAKE THEM MM-HMM
AS, AS, AS, AS, UH, VERTICAL IS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN THE, THE PORCH MAYBE FORMS MATERIALS NEXT.
SO PORCH FORMS, I THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE SUPPORT THINGS, ALL THE THINGS OR THE COLUMNS OR THE, I SHE MIGHT BE TALKING AM BASS.
IF SHE'S TALKING ABOUT WITH PORCH FORMS WE'RE PUZZLING ABOUT QUESTION FIVE AND PORCH FORMS. IS SHE TALKING ABOUT THE ELEMENTS FROM THE OLD 1930S PORCH IN HER PLANNING REPORT? SHE, SARAH, SHE, UM, TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS FROM THE PORCH.
I, I THINK NUMBER FIVE IS ACTUALLY MORE TO THE, UH, SCALE OF THE, UM, COLUMNS AND THE PROPORTIONS OF THE PORES.
THOSE ARE, I THINK, DETAILS THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH.
THAT, THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE FINAL.
BUT I, I THINK OUR APPROACH WOULD BE TO HAVE, I MEAN, THERE ARE CERTAIN PROPORTIONS BETWEEN THE WEIGHT OF A COLUMN AND THE SUPPORT BEAM ABOVE IT, AND THE DISTANCE BETWEEN COLUMNS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE REALLY ENOUGH DETAIL PROBABLY TO SEE TOO MUCH, BUT I THINK ON THAT ONE, YOU CAN, I MEAN, I THINK STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
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KIND OF FORM THE HOUSE IS AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THEN WHAT, WHAT IS, UH, COMMON ABOUT THIS.SO I THINK FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, YOU CAN TRY TO HELP FIND A WAY TO SEE WHAT, 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY FROM OUR, FROM OUR SIDE, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE, FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, WHAT DO YOU, DO YOU NEED SOMETHING FROM US TO WHAT DO PORCH FORMS MEAN? YEAH.
I, I THINK, UH, ALL ALWAYS SUGGESTING IS, UH, IF THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WORKING TO REFINE THOSE SO THAT THE PROPORTIONS ARE YEAH.
I THINK WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT.
UH, HORIZON, UH, MATERIALS AS SUGGESTED? I MEAN, UH, I THINK HERE, JUST SO I CAN REMEMBER.
BOARD AND BATTEN AND SHINGLES IS, SORRY.
UH, WHAT MY, UH, PROPOSAL WAS, WAS SORT OF LIKE A SHINGLED SIDING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE 1930S EDITION MM-HMM
AND THEN TRANSITIONING FOR THE NEW EDITION TO B AND BATTEN.
SO BASICALLY THAT'S IT LIKE TWO MATERIALS.
WELL, ALL THE HOUSES WE'VE APPROVED AND THE NEW ONES ARE ALL DOING THAT AS WELL.
BUT I HEARD THAT MAYBE HOUSES LIKE THAT.
I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT HOUSES LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE THE LAP SIGHTING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? MOST COMMONLY HISTORICALLY, UH, MASONRY STRUCTURES THAT HAD ADDITIONS WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, FRAME CONSTRUCTION AND WITH LAP SIDING.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER EXAMPLES OF B BATTEN IN THE DISTRICT.
UM, IT'S THE, THE THOUGHT HERE IS THE STONE HAS A CERTAIN CHARACTER AND NOT TO COMPETE WITH IT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SHINGLE AS A TEXTURE.
ALSO THAT COMPETES A LITTLE BIT WITH THE STONE.
AND THEN THE SIMPLICITY OF LAP SIDING WOULD BE THE PREFERENCE.
BUT WITH ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BOARD BED AS WELL.
ANYBODY ELSE COMMENTS ON, ON SIX FROM A, I MEAN, FOR ME, I, I TEND, I, YOU KNOW, YOUR HOUSE IS QUITE SIMPLE ANYWAYS.
I THINK YOU GOTTA FIND SOME WAY THAT YOU, YOU DON'T WANT THE NEW PEOPLE LOOKING AT THE NEW, NEW, UH, TEXTURE OF THE NEW HOUSE AND TAKING AWAY FROM THE OTHER ONE.
I WOULD TEND TO THINK SOMETHING MORE SMOOTH WOULD, WOULD FOR ME FIT MORE APPROPRIATELY.
I, I JUST LIKE, PERSONALLY, I DON'T REALLY LIKE LAP SIDING.
AND FOR ME THAT, I MEAN, COMING WITH SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE, UH, LESS TEXTURE, I THINK FROM A TEXTURE, I MEAN, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH DOING LIKE, THE WHOLE THING BOARD AND BAT.
I MEAN, PART OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS SORT OF DISTINGUISH THE TWO AREAS AND WE WANT YOU TO ABSOLUTELY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SHINGLES OVER HERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A, A SIMPLE SHINGLE PATTERN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, INSTEAD OF A LOT OF STAGGERING OR SOMETHING MIGHT YEAH.
I THINK TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP SIMPLE LINES, KEEP, 'CAUSE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE GOT SIMPLE LINES AND SIMPLE, SIMPLE, SIMPLE TEXTURE TO IT, YOU MIGHT SAY.
AND KEEP MAKING SURE YOU DON'T OVERWHELM THAT FRONT TEXTURE WITH A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON IN THE BACK.
IF IT'S LAP SIDING, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'D BE SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I WOULD THINK, UH, IT COULD BE, COULD BE SIMPLIFIED A LITTLE BIT FROM A TEXTURE, MAYBE A LAYOUT STAND OR FROM A, HOW IT LAYS OUT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
WELL BOARD AND BATON ACTUALLY HAS LESS TEXTURE.
IS THE SHINGLE THE MOST COMMON OR FOR THE TIME PERIOD YOU WERE SAYING BEFORE, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU WERE SAYING IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE A LAPSE SIDING, RIGHT? YES.
TYPICALLY IT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE LAPSE SIDING.
WHAT TIME PERIOD FOR THE THIRTIES FOR THE, THE CEMENT BLOCK PART THEY'RE COVERING? UH, TRADITIONALLY, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS TRADITIONALLY, UH, HISTORICALLY WHEN YOU HAD, UM, MASONRY STRUCTURES, MASONRY HOUSES, WHETHER IT'S BRICK OR STONE, TYPICALLY ADDITIONS WERE FRAME ADDITIONS WITH LAP SIDING.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
THAT'S HOW OUR HOUSE IN TIMBER VILLAGE WAS.
AT WHAT TIME PERIOD? I MEAN WHEN THEY BASICALLY WAS THE THIRTIES IS WHAT I THINK HE'S SAYING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? AND THEN WHEN THEY PUT AN ADDITION ON, WHEN, WHAT TIME PERIOD WAS THE ADDITION? I, I'M SAYING IN GENERAL? UM, OH, TRADITIONALLY IN, IN GENERAL.
UH, HISTORICALLY WHEN ADDITIONS WERE PUT ON THROUGHOUT.
NOT NECESSARILY A, A SINGLE TIME PERIOD.
BUT TRADITIONALLY THAT WAS THE CASE.
ANY OTHER POINTS? ANYBODY, ANYBODY HAD? I THINK, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE THAT, UH, I KNOW YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF TRYING TO WORK THROUGH ALL KIND OF THE DETAILS THERE.
SO, UH, CERTAINLY I KNOW THE STAFF WILL BE, WILL BE, UH, SUPPORTING THERE, BUT
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JUST MAYBE MAKE QUICK CLARIFICATION.SO I THINK WE'RE OPTION ONE, MAYBE SOFTENING WHAT IT CAN LOOK LIKE FROM A FORM FROM THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH WITH THE ROOF PITCHES AND THESE, UM, THESE, UM, FENESTRATION YOU MIGHT SAY.
TRY TO SIMPLIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, AND I THINK OVERALL THE HEIGHT OF THIS DIDN'T, I THINK EVERYBODY WAS OKAY THAT THE HEIGHT WAS, UH, ABOVE THE, ABOVE THE L IN THE BACK.
I THINK WITH ROOF PITCHES, EVERYBODY WAS CLEAR THAT FROM A WAIVER STANDPOINT, I THINK WE'RE CLEAR THAT WE COULD, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO APPROVE THAT.
MAKE SURE YOU JUST HAVE GOOD REASONS WHY THEY NEED TO BE THAT PITCH THAT YOU CHOOSE.
HYPHEN I THINK WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION THERE.
PORCH FORMS, YOU'LL WORK WITH THE STAFF JUST TO SORT OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS WITH THE, WITH POSTS AND THE, THE, UM, UH, THE HOLDING UP OF THE, OF THE ROOF HORIZONTAL WINDOWS.
WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION THERE.
I THINK TRY TO NOT HAVE THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE DOES.
I THINK THERE'S A WIDE, I MEAN, I THINK ON THIS ONE THERE'S A BIT OF A WIDE VARIETY OF, UH, OPINIONS ON THAT, BUT, UH, UM, I DON'T THINK GENERICALLY, I THINK GENERICALLY THE BOARD DIDN'T OPPOSE WHAT YOU HAD ON THERE.
UM, I MEAN, MY COMMENT MAY BE A LITTLE SIMPLER, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY OPPOSED WHAT YOU HAD ON THERE AS THE ORIGINAL SHI SHINGLES PLUS, UH, BOARD AND BATTEN.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM ACL? I MEAN, I TOOK TWO.
IT TOOK A LITTLE TIME, BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT STRUCTURE.
SO WE CAN GET IT, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE YOU.
I DON'T WANT TO FOCUS, COME TO THE NEXT ONE AND HAVE TO, AND WE DON'T WANT THAT START OVER AGAIN.
AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE HAVING THE HISTORY FROM YOUR DAD.
IN FACT, IF WE COULD STOP BY LATER AND HAVE THE REST OF THE STORY, I GUESS.
NO, IT USED TO BE A BAR RIGHT.
SO THE WHOLE THING IS FABULOUS.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU AND DONNA MOVED OUT AND BEFORE CHRISTIAN MOVED IN THERE, DANA AND I THOUGHT THERE WAS A GHOST IN THERE, SO OH, EVEN BETTER.
LOOKS LIKE WE WOULD IDENTIFY WHO LET'S BEEN CONFIRMED.
WE HAVE GHOSTS IN THERE FOR SURE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO YET THOUGH, WHO THE GHOSTS ARE.
WE WANNA MOVE THE GHOST IS I WOULD THE GHOST IN THE HOUSE? WHO'S THE GHOST? THE PENNIES
WELL, I WOULD SAY THE GUY WHO GOT MURDERED IN THE HOUSE WOULD BE MOST LIKELY.
WE, WE, WELL, THE ONE WHO TELLS THESE, MY WIFE ABOUT THIS IS THAT, AND SITTING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIRWAY.
WE HAVE HAD GHOST HUNTERS IN THE HOUSE.
WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT ITERATION.
ANY, UH, UH, BA ANYTHING CLARIFY? YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD ON THAT SIDE.
PUBLIC COMMENTS? OH, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
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THAT'S, UH, SCHEDULED FOR JULY 22ND.
AND THAT WILL BE AT THE DEVELOPMENT BUILDING WHERE OUR OFFICES ARE LOCATED AT 5,200 EMERALD PARKWAY.
AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU WITH A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AS WE GET CLOSER TO THAT IN TERMS OF THE FORMAT AND THE AGENDA AND, AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT MAY, UH, UH, GET CLARIFIED BEFORE THAT.
UM, JUDY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I, I THINK, DO YOU KNOW THE TIME YET? THE START TIME? IS IT LIKE FIVE 30 OR SIX OR? NO, I THINK IT'S ON, I, I THINK I HAVE IT AT SIX IN MY CALENDAR, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, THAT'S MY SIX 30 RELIEF.
PROBABLY SIX FOR LIGHT SOMETHING.
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AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD WAS WE PUT ON YOUR, UH, UH, THAT'S THE PRINTED COPY FINALLY OF THE ENVISIONED DUBLIN PLAN.SO IT'S ALL AVAILABLE ONLINE, BUT THIS PUTS IT ALL IN ONE SPOT AND CAN BE USED AS DUMBBELLS AS WELL.
SO I APPRECIATED THE PRINTED COPY MYSELF, SO THANK YOU.
SIX 30 IS THE MEETING ACCORDING TO THE CALENDAR.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE LIKE AT SIX OR SO SOMETHING.
SO LIKE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.
WE, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL VERIFY THE TIME.
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S OUR NEXT, THAT'S OUR NEXT MEETING, RIGHT? THE NEXT DAY.
AND THEN, THEN WE HAVE OUR MEETING THEN ON THE 23RD? NEXT, YEP.
SO I DON'T GIVE ANY HOMEWORK FOR THE CLEANING.
EVERYBODY UH, GONNA BE HERE IN THE NEXT MEETING, EVERYBODY, AS FAR AS I KNOW.
ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT FROM STAFF.
THEN I, UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION, MOVE TO ADJOURN.