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[CALL TO ORDER]
AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES AT THIS TIME.
IF EVERYONE WILL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OH, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL OUR ROLE MR. ALEXANDER? HERE.
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION TO THE END OF THE MEETING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES ]
MOVE ON TO OUR, UH, DOCUMENTS, ACCEPTANCE.UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD, INCLUDING THE MINUTES FROM THE APRIL 17TH, 2025 AND MAY 1ST, 2025.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING OF PROPERTY AND REZONING ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS THE DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS FOR THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL FIRST PRESENT THEIR CASE, FOLLOWED BY STAFF ANALYSIS AND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND OF STAFF BEFORE ALLOWING TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT, THE COMMISSION WILL DELIBERATE ON EACH CASE.
ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD.
IN TURN, UNDER EACH APPLICATION, WE DO ASK THAT WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, YOU ENSURE THAT THE MICROPHONE IS GREEN AS YOU SEE MINE RIGHT NOW, AND THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW OF YOU, AND WE WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME.
WE DO ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM SIDE CONVERSATIONS, APPLAUSE, OR OTHER AUDIBLE REACTIONS TO PUBLIC COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS OF COMMISSIONER STAFF OR APPLICANTS.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID ON THE RECORD AND THAT WE ALL HAVE FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
THIS PROTECTS THE PROCESS, WHICH IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL OF US AT THIS TIME.
ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN.
IF YOU PLAN TO SPEAK, COULD YOU PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THE COMMISSION? YOU MAY BE SEATED.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING.THEY ARE CASE 25 DASH 0 24 A FT P AND CASE 25 DASH 0 1 8 A FTP, OHIO HEALTH, TEMPORARY HELIPAD AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND NEARFIELD GLICK ROAD POOL AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, RESPECTIVELY.
DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION WISH TO HAVE THESE EITHER OF THESE TWO CASES PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT? IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THESE CASES BEFORE THE COMMISSION DELIBERATES? SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, INCLUDING BOTH CASES AS PREVIOUSLY READ.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THANK YOU, MR. WE DO I HAVE A SECOND.
THANK YOU, MS. MAXWELL, FOR, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE HERE FOR
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THE GLICK POOL AND THE TEMPORARY HELIPAD AT, UH, OHIO HEALTH, WE RESPECT YOUR TIME.THANK YOU FOR COMING THIS EVENING, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AND PARTNERING WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE.
UH, OUR NEXT CASE, WE HAVE HAD A COMMISSIONER WHO ASKED TO BE RECUSED, SO WE WILL ALLOW TIME FOR MR. ALEXANDER TO EXIT BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON WITH THE THE FOLLOWING CASE.
[Case #25-043CP]
DASH 0 4 3 CP MONTEREY WROTE, EXCUSE ME, MONTEREY DRIVE DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT PLAN.THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 94,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND EATING, UM, AND DRINKING SPACE AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRE SITE IS ZONED B-S-D-H-T-N BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED ON BOTH SIDES OF MONTEREY MONTEREY DRIVE, SOUTH OF ITS INTERSECTION WITH WEST BRIDGE STREET.
MR. PETAR, UM, DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE WHO IS GOING TO PRESENT FIRST? WE WELCOME YOU TO THE MICROPHONE, AND THE MICROPHONE IS NOT CURRENTLY ILLUMINATED.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I LIVE AT 30 55 GLENRIDGE PARKWAY, UPPER ARLINGTON, OHIO.
AND, UM, I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MEET WITH US TONIGHT.
UM, ALONG WITH ME IS TYLER POOLE, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE WOOD COMPANIES.
UM, HE WILL BE SHARING THE, OUR VISION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT.
UM, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO GIVE A QUICK INTRODUCTION TO OUR COMPANY.
UH, THE WOOD COMPANIES WAS FOUNDED BY MY FATHER, SANDY WOOD, UM, AND NEARLY 45 YEARS AGO, HE WAS A PIONEER IN REDEVELOPING THE SHORT NORTH.
UM, I HAVE MY DAUGHTER WORKING WITH US NOW AS WELL, SO IT'S THIRD GENERATION IN THE COMPANY.
WE HAVE A, UM, VERY LONG TERM KIND OF VISION FOR HOW WE DEVELOP, UM, AND WE REALLY BASE OUR DEVELOPMENT ON QUALITY.
UM, WE DO NOT DEVELOP TO MAXIMIZE SHORT-TERM VALUE SO WE CAN SELL THE PROPERTY FOR A PROFIT.
UM, WE, WE COMMIT TO THE HIGHEST DESIGN STANDARDS AND TIMELESS ARCHITECTURE, UM, AND OUR EXTREMELY SENSITIVE TO RETAIL MIX.
I WAS ONCE ASKED WHAT I LIKE MOST ABOUT OUR WORK, AND AS I REFLECTED ON IT, IT'S THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH GREAT INDIVIDUALS AND RETAILERS WHO COME IN HERE AND CREATE EXPERIENCES WITHIN OUR BUILDINGS.
I FEEL LIKE WE CAN DEVELOP THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, BUT WITHOUT KIND OF POPULATING IT WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE WHO KIND OF DELIVER THAT EXPERIENCE.
YOU KNOW, THE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE REALLY AREN'T A CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE.
UM, WE ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING THIS A CLASS A DEVELOPMENT EVERY WAY, INCLUDING RECRUITING A RETAIL MIX THAT WILL, WILL BE AN AMENITY FOR DUBLIN.
WE WILL NOT HAVE LATE NIGHT ESTABLISHMENTS OPERATING IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE MANAGE OUR OWN PROPERTY AND TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN OUR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.
IN SHORT, WE WANNA BE A CHERISHED PART OF THE COMMUNITY FOR YEARS TO COME, AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE UNIQUELY QUALIFIED AND COMMITTED TO MAKING THAT HAPPEN.
UH, THANK YOU ALL THAT, TYLER.
SO, UM, I SEE SOME FAMILIAR FACES OUT HERE FROM OUR LAST MEETING AND IN OUR LAST MEETING, I HOOKED UP A COMPUTER IN LIKE 90 SECONDS.
SO I HOPE I CAN WIND THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY.
UH, HOW WOULD I CHANGE THE SLIDE? OH, UH, OKAY.
UM, I GUESS WE CAN, OKAY, GREAT.
SO, UM, WE'RE VERY THANKFUL AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE EVERYONE AGAIN.
IT'S A VERY BOUGHT IN COMMUNITY.
WE MET, UH, ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO AGO.
UM, AND THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR ME.
AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING FOR A LONG TIME AND WE VIEW THESE, UM, UH, COMMISSION MEETINGS, NOT AS HURDLES TO GET OVER, BUT AS TRUE PART OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO BE COLLABORATIVE.
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AND, UM, THIS MAKES FOR A BETTER PROJECT.SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR TIME AT A SIX 30 HOUR.
SO, OUR BIG IDEA HERE IS THAT WE'RE GONNA CREATE THIS, YOU KNOW, A WALKABLE VILLAGE WITH A, WITH, WITH A, UM, SORRY.
UM, A WALKABLE VILLAGE WITH A MASSIVE COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE THAT'S SHAPED BY FINE GRAIN STREETS AND A LAYOUT AND A GREAT STREETS SCAPE WITH BUILDINGS THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED WITH LASTING MATERIALS AND ARCHITECTURAL CHARM.
SO THAT WHENEVER I START RAMBLING OFF ON A TANGENT, ALWAYS COME BACK TO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD TONIGHT.
SO OUR SITE LAYOUT, IF WE CAN GO THROUGH THERE.
SO, JUST KIDDING THIS, AND THIS IS REALLY A, UH, A CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING ISSUE, BUT THE CITY OWNS THE CORNER LOT IN GREEN.
AND, UH, THE SITE THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONTRACT, UH, IS THE BLUE AREA AND BLUE.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING A TRADE HERE, AND THE AREA IS SUCH THAT WE WOULD TRADE IT BACK TO THE CITY FOR MORE CEMETERY SPACE.
UM, IN EXCHANGE FOR, UH, THAT CORNER PARCEL AND PROTECTING THAT ROW OF TREES, WE VIEW THAT ROW OF TREES AS THE HEALTHIEST ON THE SITE AND VERY IMPORTANT FOR, UM, THE CEMETERY'S BACKDROP.
SO THIS GIVES YOU A SENSE OF WHERE THE SITE'S LOCATED AND IT'S CONTEXTUAL, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, OVERVIEW.
WE TRIED TO KIND OF COPY, UH, SOME OF THE DOWNTOWN LAYOUT HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE STREETS, UH, ARE KIND OF ON A SIMILAR GRID LENGTH.
UM, ARE, I SEE YOU USE STREETS LOOSELY IN THAT SOME OF THESE STREETS ARE, UM, REALLY ALLEYWAYS AND SERVICE ROADS, AND THERE'S TWO, UH, ONE NEW STREET THAT WE'RE ADDING.
AND WE THINK THE, THE CENTER OF THIS THING IS THE LOOP THAT'S REALLY GONNA, UM, CHARGE UP THIS COMMUNITY AND, AND MAKE IT BE A, A, A GAME CHANGER FOR THE CITY OF DELVIN.
SO THE RED THAT YOU SEE ARE KIND OF POTENTIAL, UM, RESTAURANT AREAS.
THOSE AREN'T AREAS WHERE SLOTTING FOR RESTAURANT THAT IS MORE THAN RESTAURANT THAN WE WANT TO BE CLEAR.
UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO CREATE, UH, AN, AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE EITHER EVERY DOOR FOR A RETAIL, UH, RETAILER LOOKS EITHER ON BRIDGE STREET OR IT LOOKS AT EACH OTHER AND AT THE SQUARE.
SO YOU KIND OF HAVE THIS, THERE'S NO B LEVEL SPACE IN THE, IN THE CENTER, SO EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT EVERYBODY, AND YOU HAVE THE SENSE OF GREAT ENCLOSURE.
UM, WE TOOK US A LONG TIME TO GET HERE, BUT WE FEEL THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU WILL BE IN THE CENTER OF THIS SPACE AND ALWAYS FEEL COMFORTABLE.
UH, THE CODE REQUIRES BUILDING LENGTHS BE A SPECIFIC, UH, UH, A A THOUSAND FEET, UH, PERIMETER, AND THEN 300 FEET WIDE.
WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE ON EVERYTHING THERE, EXCEPT FOR BUILDING E.
UM, I THINK THAT BUILDING E IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
UM, BUT FROM THE PEDESTRIAN'S POINT OF VIEW, THEY'RE REALLY ONLY GONNA SEE THE YELLOW AREA, UH, OF BUILDING E HERE, WHICH IS THE, UM, YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT YELLOW AREA OF BUILDING E IS 215 FEET, AND THE PEDESTRIAN REALLY ISN'T GONNA NOTICE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, PATHWAYS HERE.
SO WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN WORK WITH YOUR TEAM TO IDENTIFY SOMETHING THAT, UH, WORKS IN THAT SPACE AND WITHIN THAT AREA.
UM, I THINK THAT ADDING A, UH, MID PEDESTRIAN WAY IS NOT THE GREATEST IDEA, JUST IN THAT, UM, WE HAVE A PEDESTRIAN WAY TO BRIDGE STREET.
WE HAVE A PEDESTRIAN WAY THROUGH OUR GARAGE TO THE CEMETERY.
WE HAVE A PEDESTRIAN WAY TO MONTEREY PARK, AND WE'LL GET BACK TO THOSE IN A SECOND.
BUT THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING TO DO THROUGH BUILDING E YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME BACK PARKING FOR US AND THEN A, UM, PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER'S PROPERTY.
SO WE KIND OF WANTED TO CL CREATE ENCLOSURE WITHIN THAT SPACE.
UH, THE ACCESS WAS SUPER IMPORTANT FOR US.
SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS CREATE A, A LANE ON MONTEREY.
SO MONTEREY STREET WOULD, UM, OBVIOUSLY IS REMAINING WHERE IT IS.
UH, WE ARE HOPEFUL, I SAY WE, 'CAUSE I'M INCLUDING MYSELF WITHIN THE COMMUNITY HERE, THAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN CAN REALLY WORK HARD TO, UH, PUT IN A SIGNALED TRAFFIC INTERSECTION THERE.
UM, UH, FROM MY MEETINGS, I THINK THAT WAS THE ONE THING WE HAD ALL AGREEMENT ON.
UM, UH, WE WOULD TRY TO ADD A, AN ACCESS ROAD OUT TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, UM, WHICH IS THAT IN AND OUT, UH, TO CREATE A, A RELIEF VALVE.
AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD, UH, THERE WOULD BE A STREET, UH, SO WE BUILD A STREET NOW, BUT THERE WOULD BE AN, AN EXTENSION TO CORBIN'S MILL TO LET PEOPLE OUT THROUGH WHAT IS NOW A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UM, AND THERE'S, WE'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE ON A TRAFFIC CODE THAT THERE CAN'T BE, UM, HEAD AND PARKING ON A DUBLIN STREET.
UM, OUR THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD USE THE PARKING NOW AND THEN WHEN THAT STREET, WHEN THAT PROPERTY TURNS OVER, AND WE CAN REPAINT IT AND MAKE IT BE A WIDER STREET.
SO THAT'S ONE IDEA WE WANTED TO THROW OUT TO YOUR TEAM.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, THE CONNECTIVITY WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.
SO ONE THING WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS RE-SEE THOSE DARK GRAY CONNECTIVITY POINTS.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO A RAISED PAVER THERE, SO IT SENDS A SIGNAL TO THE, UH, A PEDESTRIAN THAT, HEY, THERE'S STUFF TO DO OVER HERE THROUGH THE GARAGE INTO THE CEMETERY, AND THERE'S STUFF TO DO SOUTH, UM, INTO MONTEREY PARK.
AND WE WOULD BE DELETING THE PARKING SPACES.
WE WOULDN'T MAKE PEOPLE SHIMMY THROUGH CARS THERE.
UM, AND SO THOSE, AND THEN THERE'S LANDSCAPE PATHWAYS WE'D
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REALLY TRY AND, UH, EMULATE THROUGH HERE AS WELL, UH, WITHIN THOSE PEDESTRIAN AREAS.UH, ONE THING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE ADDED IN HERE THAT MAY NOT BE IN YOUR PACKAGES IS THE BRIGHT RED AREAS ARE SERVICE AREAS WHERE WE WOULD IDEALLY LAND TRASH, UM, AND WE WOULD LAND, UM, POTENTIAL NEED FOR PAD MOUNTED TRANSFORMERS, UH, FOR ELECTRIC AND UTILITIES.
UM, AND THEN ONE THING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US IS, UH, PEOPLE GO VERY FAST ON MONTEREY, AND WE WERE TRYING TO CREATE A SENSE OF, IF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS FOR THE PEDESTRIAN, WE REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN AND CREATING PARALLEL PARKING ALONG THAT STREET WILL DO A, UH, WONDERS IN TERMS OF, UM, SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN.
UM, EVEN THOUGH IT WIDENS THE STREET AND TAKES MORE OF OUR LAND, WE VIEW IT AS AS NECESSARY, UM, FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL PERSPECTIVE.
SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF OUR RENDERINGS.
UM, SO FROM AN ARCHITECTURE PERSPECTIVE, ONE THING IS THIS IS A, A TRUE VILLAGE OF BUILDINGS, AND IT'S NOT A STRIP MALL IN DISGUISE.
UM, WE WANT THESE TO BE VARYING STOREFRONTS, YOU KNOW, 20 TO 30 FOOT BAYS OF, YOU KNOW, INTERESTING RETAIL SEGMENTS WITH MATERIALS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU FIND IN THE WILD OF, YOU KNOW, STUCCO BRICK AND, YOU KNOW, UH, WOOD CLAD THAT ARE FAMILIAR AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE WORKED IN DOWNTOWNS FOR CENTURIES.
WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A, UM, UH, LIKE A A A STRIP MALL.
LIKE I SAID, THIS IS GOING TO BE A VILLAGE CENTER FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
UM, WE WANNA REALLY USE INTERESTING ROOF MATERIALS SO THAT, UH, ONE YOU CAN HIDE RTUS, UH, ROOFTOP UNITS AND HIDE A GARAGE THAT WE'RE OVER SHIELDING THE SECOND FLOOR WITH.
BUT IT CREATES A, A, A VARIATION.
IT MAKES IT FEEL LIKE THEY'RE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, ONE IDEA IS, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE IT ON THIS ONE.
CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? YEAH.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP RIGHT IMAGE, UM, ONE THING WE REALLY TRY AND DO IS TO DO A LITTLE, UM, UH, LITTLE DETAILS ON A LOT OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS GO A LONG WAY.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING SOME, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE POURED STARE THAT JUST KIND OF GETS THE, THE SECOND FLOOR GARAGE OUT TO THE CENTER, WE WOULD LOVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE WHAT IS SHOWN THERE OF A, YOU KNOW, A TILED STAIRCASE THAT COULD BRING PEOPLE INTO A, LIKE, PEOPLE WILL TAKE PICTURES ON THIS, AND IT'S THOSE LITTLE DETAILS THAT GO FROM, AH, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS THAT KIND LOOKS LIKE A CORNFIELD TO WHAT IS A, A TREASURED PLACE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE.
AND THERE YOU CAN SEE SOME OF OUR, OUR OTHER DESIGN INSPIRATION IMAGES.
SO A GOOD SPOT TO BE WOULD BE THE OPEN SPACE NEXT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN MANY OPEN SPACE CONVERSATIONS, YOU FIND THAT IT'S AN AFTERTHOUGHT OR SOMETHING TO APPEASE A CODE.
UM, THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE.
UH, WE'RE REALLY VIEWING, WE WE'RE DOING THIS DEVELOPMENT TO CREATE THIS MASSIVE COMMUNITY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BENEFIT, UH, THAT WILL HAVE RETAIL COVER, YOU KNOW, COVERING ON ALL SIDES IN THESE ONE TO TWO STORY BUILDINGS.
SO TWO, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE SOME CLEAR STORY, TWO SECOND STORY BUILDINGS THAT CREATE THIS SENSE OF ENCLOSURE WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE, UM, WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT TOO, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE SQUARE, TO KIND OF KEEP PEOPLE FEELING LIKE THIS HAS BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
AND SO WE'RE DEVOTING 15,000 FEET OF VERY EXPENSIVE LAND TO CREATE THIS SPACE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND WITHIN THAT SPACE WE HAVE THESE, UH, MARKET STALLS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT IMAGE, UH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT THEY'RE KIND OF, IT'S A PROJECT IN CALIFORNIA.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT CARS ON THERE LIKE THEY ARE, BUT THEY HAVE THESE NEWSPAPER STALLS THAT ARE JUST THESE, UH, KIND OF OLD SCHOOL NEW YORK NEWSPAPER STALLS THAT ARE THESE WONDERFUL TEMPORARY INSTALLATIONS THAT CAN BRING ARTISTS AND SMALL RETAILERS IN INTO A GREAT CENTER.
UM, AND IT'S JUST, IT CREATES A, A, A, A BIGGER ENVIRONMENT THAN WHAT IT IS.
UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A, A, A DREAM OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, SANTA CAN BE IN THE WINTER IN OUR CENTER, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE A, A, YOU KNOW, A FUN WAY TO KIND OF CREATE ENGAGEMENT IN THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE.
AND THEN THAT CENTER VILLAGE BUILDING, UM, THAT'S ON THE COVER OF OUR PACKAGE.
I CAN'T GET THERE WITH THIS, BUT, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE THE, THE MAIN BUILDING HERE.
SO WE HAVE THIS, UM, 1300 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT WE REALLY WANT TO BE THE FOCAL POINT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
I JOKE THAT I WANT THIS TO BE ON THE COVER OF DUBLIN'S WEBSITE, UM, WITH HOW WELL THIS IS GONNA BE DONE.
UM, WE'RE TALKING WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH RETAILERS, BUT WE RE REALLY, REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS IS GONNA BE THAT KIND OF ROMANTIC SENSE OF, UM, WHEN YOU THINK OF A, A, A SMALL TOWN DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN EATING ICE CREAM OR, UH, YOU KNOW, ADULTS HAVING A COFFEE OUT THERE, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, AS THE SUN'S SETTING.
AND IN THIS GRASSY AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF A, A, YOU KNOW, A BEAUTIFUL SHOPPING AREA, WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T REALLY FIND THAT IN THE SMALL OF SCALE.
AND SO THE, WITHIN THE SITE PLAN, ONE THING THAT YOU NOTICE ON THE RIGHT IS PARKING.
SO ONE THING WE REALLY TRIED TO DO AT THE TOP OF IT WAS TO CREATE QUICK, CONVENIENT PARKING LOCATIONS.
SO YOU CREATE THIS KIND OF ILLUSION OF PARKING.
UM, EVERYBODY THINKS THEY'RE GONNA GET THE SPOT RIGHT INSIDE OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING, BUT ONCE THEY'RE THERE, IT'S TAKEN, AND THEN THEY GO PARK IN THE GARAGE.
SO WE WANT TO CARRY THIS QUICK CONVENIENT LOADING AND UNLOADING PARKING RIGHT THERE, UM, FOR THE BRIDGE STREET BUILDINGS.
AND THEN WE'RE CREATING A FLAT PARKING
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PLATE WITH A, WITH AN ELEVATED LEVEL ABOVE THAT, SO THAT IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GOING INTO A GARAGE AS YOU'RE DRIVING IN.IT IS A FLAT PLATE WITH MASSIVE OPENINGS ON, ON THE, THE, ON EACH SIDE OF IT, EXCEPT FOR THE WESTERN SIDE.
SO IT WILL FEEL JUST LIKE COVERED PARKING, BUT YOU'RE NOT DRIVING UP INTO A GARAGE.
UM, AND WE THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR, ITS, WE WANT TO TALK TO HIGH QUALITY QUICK SERVICE FOOD USERS.
AND SO WE TURN THE BUILDINGS AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO TRY AND HIDE THE SURFACE PARKING.
SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING IN HERE OR WALKING IN HERE, ONE THING WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE IS THAT SENSE OF NOTHING CAN KILL A PEDESTRIAN VIBE QUICKER THAN A, A MASSIVE SURFACE PARKING.
SO THE, THE, UH, VILLAGE SQUARE, WE HAVE ANGLED PARKING AROUND THERE.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A, A CHARACTER DRIVEN ELEMENT AND ADDS A LITTLE BIT OF PARKING, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU VIEW THAT AS SOMETHING YOU FIND IN, YOU KNOW, SOUTHAMPTON, NEW YORK AND, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, GLENCO ILLINOIS OF THESE KIND OF OLD, OLD AREAS THAT HAVE THIS ANGLE PARKING THAT, UM, FEELS GREAT AND YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, OVERLY LIKE IN A, IT'S STILL A SLOW PEDESTRIAN AREA ON THIS ONE WAY TRACK, BUT IT CREATES A SENSE OF HI HISTORIC PARKING WITHIN THAT.
UM, AND THEN REALLY WE VIEW OUR, UH, UH, OUR PARKING, UH, ON THE SITE AS IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHERE WE, UH, WITH WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES UNDER THE SHOPPING CENTER DESIGNATION.
UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING A SET OF NATIONAL BROKERS WHO HAVE ASSURED US, UM, UH, BROKERS OUTTA TEXAS, WHO DO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF NEW CONSTRUCTION HIGH-END CENTERS LIKE THIS THAT HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ASSURED US WE ARE GOOD ON PARKING FOR HOW MANY SQUARE FEET WE HAVE.
AND ONE THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SEND IN OUR PACKAGE THAT WE REALLY WANT, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THIS TO BE NON-FOOD.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE NON-FOOD, IT CREATES A LOT LESS VOLUME FOR, UM, THERE'S LESS EMPLOYEES AND LESS CUSTOMER VELOCITY USING THAT PARKING.
SO WILL IT BE CROWDED ON DECEMBER 17TH? SURE.
UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AS MUCH OF THAT, UM, AS YOU FIND AT BRIDGE PARK BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 90, 95% RESTAURANT.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT WE DID MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, I'M GONNA TRY AND SAY WHAT'S CLEAR, AND THEN THEY CAN, UH, UH, IDEATE ON THAT.
BUT THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T WANT HEIGHT, IT DIDN'T WANT APARTMENTS, AND IT DOESN'T WANT TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS SOUTH, UH, BEYOND OUR PROJECT ON MONTEREY.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO, OUR PROJECT HAS TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT, AND WE ARE OPEN TO A, A TRAFFIC SOLUTION, UM, GOING SOUTH DOWN MONTEREY, UM, THAT CAN WORK FOR EVERYONE.
I REALLY THINK THAT IF ANYBODY'S IN THE CENTER AND DOESN'T WANNA BE THERE, UH, THEY'RE GONNA TURN AROUND DOWN THE SERVICE ROAD AND TURN BACK NORTH WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, IF THIS IS A CUT THROUGH STREET NOW, THIS IS GONNA MAKE A PRETTY BAD CUT THROUGH STREET.
UM, ONCE THIS IS FULLY POPULATED IN HERE, PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA WANNA CUT THROUGH HERE.
SO, UH, I WOULD BE HOPEFUL THAT YOU'D HAVE LESS TRAFFIC HERE, UM, OVER TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY ALSO MADE IT FEEL LIKE THEY WANT SOMETHING HIGH QUALITY, AND THAT'S AMENITY FOR THEIR LIVING EXPERIENCE.
AND I, I, I STRUGGLE TO SEE HOW WE'RE NOT HITTING THE MARK ON THIS, UM, FROM, I DON'T TOTALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THE, UH, THIS COMMISSION WOULD RELATE TO THE BRIDGE STREET CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH BASSAM AND WITH, UH, CITY, DIFFERENT CITY DEPARTMENTS.
BUT WE, AND THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE ARE IN, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL PLACED AT MONTEREY BRIDGE.
WE WOULD LOVE THE BRIDGE STREET TO GET WAY SLOWER, WAY EARLIER.
UM, SO IF IT, THE 25 COULD START NEXT, UH, ALONG FRANCE ROAD AS OPPOSED TO WHERE IT STARTS NOW, WE FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD REALLY SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
PARALLEL PARKING, YOU SEE, IS NOT THERE CURRENTLY.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC, UM, WHICH WE THINK WOULD BE A, A WONDERFUL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THEN NARROWER LANES ALONG BRIDGE STREET, I FEEL LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ROLL A BOWLING BALL ACROSS BRIDGE STREET, AND IT WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE.
SO IF WE HAD NARROWER LANES THAT COULD WIDEN THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE CEMETERY, WHEN YOU WALK DOWN THAT SIDEWALK, IT FEELS DANGEROUS.
UH, WHEN YOU'RE THE BACK, YOUR CARS ARE TO YOUR BACK.
SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE FOR THE CEMETERY TO BE EXPANDED, I'M SORRY, CEMETERY WILL BE EXPANDED, BUT THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE CEMETERY TO BE EXPANDED AND TO KINDA ALLOW FOR A BETTER PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO OLD DUBLIN.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING WE'VE LAID OUT HERE, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE DIFFERENT DESIGNS OF INSPIRATION IMAGES AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, UM, WE HIT A LOT OF COMMUNITY GOALS.
I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY.
THEY CAN SAY THAT OR NOT SAY THAT, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE HIT A LOT OF THEIR GOALS WITHIN THE, WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE THE SITE IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE HIS, FOR THE FUTURE OF DUBLIN.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE LOW QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, IT'S A CONSTANT REMINDER OF WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN FOR 50 YEARS WITH HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S BUILT, IT'S EXPENSIVE, AND IT'S
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HARD AND IT'S A SLOG TO GET THERE.BUT THEN YOU HAVE A HUNDRED YEAR COMMUNITY ASSETS LIKE YOU HAVE IN TEXAS WITH HIGHLAND PARK VILLAGE.
UM, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE MEMORIES GROWING UP THERE AND IT'S GENERATION OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE MEMORIES GROWING UP THERE.
AND WE HAVE A WALKABLE CENTER HERE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE, AND IT WILL BE HIGH QUALITY.
I, I, I FEEL LIKE IF I COULD SUM UP THE BRIDGE STREET CODE WITHIN KIND OF THE WANTS OF THAT, UM, WE'RE PRETTY ON THE MARK OF WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES.
WE'LL, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THINGS TO DISCUSS, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A REALLY STRONG PROJECT, AND WE'RE VERY, VERY THANKFUL FOR YOUR TIME AND, UH, HELPING US DISCUSS THIS.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK.
MR. BATAR, THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UH, I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PROCESS AND A FEW TECHNICAL THINGS.
I THINK THE PROJECT WAS DESCRIBED IN PRETTY GOOD DETAIL, SO WE'LL, WE'LL FOCUS ON SOME OF THE, UH, PROCEDURAL AND, AND CODE REQUIREMENTS AS THE, THIS MOVES FORWARD.
SO ONE THING THAT IS NEW WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION IS THE RECENT CODE CHANGE.
UH, BECAUSE CONCEPT PLANS, EXCUSE ME, IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT USED TO BE ONCE WHERE THE COMMISSION WOULD ACTUALLY, UH, MAKE A DETERMINATION.
AND IF THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY IN THE FORM OF A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
THE RECENT CODE AMENDMENTS, UH, MADE THE CONCEPT STAGE AS A NON-BINDING FEEDBACK, UM, LEVEL OF REVIEW.
AND REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR NOT, IT STAYS AT THIS LEVEL.
SO, UH, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ALL OF THE, UH, SPECIFIC DESIGN DETAILS.
IT'S MORE OF THE BIGGER PICTURE IDEA.
AND AS THIS PROGRESSES, UH, THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, MANY OF THOSE DETAILS WILL, WILL BE LOOKED AT AND EVALUATED.
AND SO FOR TONIGHT, THE CONSIDERATIONS IS REALLY, UH, GENERAL LAND USE DENSITIES, UH, GENERAL SITE LAYOUT, OPEN SPACE, UH, RELATIONSHIP TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND SO FORTH.
UH, THE, THE SITE IS, UH, IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF, UH, WEST BRIDGE STREET.
AND AS MR. PUHL INDICATED, THERE IS A CITY ON PARCEL AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OR SOUTHEAST CORNER OF BRIDGE.
AND, UH, AND MONTEREY, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE TRADED FOR CEMETERY EXPANSION.
A COUPLE PICTURES TO KIND OF SHOW THE EXISTING CONDI CONDITIONS OTHER THAN THE SHELL GAS STATION AT THE CORNER OF THE SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
UH, BUT THERE ARE SOME SUBSTANTIAL TREES, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE AND NEAR THE GAS STATION.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF, UH, PRETTY LARGE TREES ALONG MONTEREY, AND THEN A FEW WITHIN THE SITE ITSELF.
UH, IT IS LOCATED IN THE MIXED USE VILLAGE, UH, FUTURE CHARACTER AREA, UH, WHICH DOES PROMOTE A COMBINATION OF USES INCLUDING OFFICE, RETAIL, RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL.
UH, IT'S REALLY INTENDED TO COMPLIMENT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT NEARBY.
AND SO IT RECOMMENDS BUILDING HEIGHTS OF ONE TO THREE STORIES, UH, THAT HAVE A COMPLIMENTARY CHARACTER TO THE, UH, HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
IT, IT PROMOTES WALKABLE, A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT WITH OPEN SPACES AND PLAZAS AND NARROWER STREETS WITH BUILDINGS FRONTING THE SIDEWALKS.
SO MANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAW WITH THE PRESENTATION ARE, UH, WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED IN THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN.
THERE'S ALSO A SPECIFIC SPECIAL AREA PLAN FOR THE, UH, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
AND AGAIN, IT HAS VERY SIMILAR, UH, PRIORITIES, UH, ALLOWING FOR A TRANSITION FROM THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT TO, UH, THE LARGER, UH, RETAIL TO THE WEST, BUT ALSO TRANSITIONS FROM THE BUSIER BRIDGE STREET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH.
UH, PROMOTES TWO TO THREE STORY BUILDINGS WITH POTENTIAL MIX, UM, VERTICAL MIXED USE AND FUTURE CONNECTIVITY TO CORBIN'S MILL AS, UH, AGAIN, WAS PORTRAYED.
SO, UM, AND THEN WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET CODE ITSELF, THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS FOR EVERY, UH, NE NEIGHBORHOOD AREA WITHIN THE OVERALL BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
AND THOSE ARE SOME SPECIFIC, UH, ALLOWANCES FOR BUILDING TYPES, OPEN SPACE TYPES AND, AND MANY DETAILS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT AGAIN, IN TERMS OF CODE, UH, AND WHAT APPLIES.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE SITE IN RED WITHIN THAT DISTRICT.
IT IS AT THE, UH, UH, SOUTHWEST EDGE, GENERALLY OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
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YOU SEE IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN PROMOTES.AND FINALLY, IN TERMS OF THE BIGGER PICTURE IS THE BRIDGE STREET STREET NETWORK PLAN.
UM, THE BRIDGE STREET IS, UH, CLASSIFIED AS A CORRIDOR CONNECTOR STREET, AND, AND IT'S A ALSO PRINCIPLE FRONTED STREET.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT THE BUILDINGS FRONTING ON THAT WOULD BE OF A CERTAIN SCALE AND CHARACTER AND, UH, IMPORTANCE.
AND THAT CURB CUTS WOULD BE VERY EXTREMELY SCRUTINIZED.
SO THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT, UH, EXAMINING AS THIS MOVES FORWARD.
YOU SAW THE SITE PLAN, AGAIN, IT'S, IT IS DESIGNED TO CONVEY, UH, A WALKABLE, UH, BLOCK SYSTEM, IF YOU WILL, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THE STREETS ARE SERVICE DRIVE AND DRIVES AND TECHNICALLY DO NOT MEET THE BLOCK REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THOSE REQUIRED FRONTAGE ON A PUBLIC STREET.
BUT IN GENERAL, THE INTENT IS, UH, GENERALLY MET.
THE, UM, LAYOUT AS EXPLAINED DOES INCLUDE, UH, UH, A PARKING STRUCTURE ON THE EAST SIDE THAT WOULD BE PARTIALLY OVER THE FIRST FLOOR RETAIL.
SO THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE AT GRADE, THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE PARTIALLY ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR RETAIL.
AND AGAIN, THE CODE HAS A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, PARKING STRUCTURES THAT WE WILL BE, UH, LOOKING AT AT, UH, FUTURE STAGES.
A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THE BRIDGE STREET DISPLAY ALSO HAS VERY SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THIS PLAN IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THAT IN THAT IT DOES REFLECT MORE OF A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT VERSUS, UH, NOT TO SAY THAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE NOT WALKABLE, BUT THE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS A LITTLE BIT NARROWER, AND THAT ALSO TECHNICALLY APPLIES TO THE POTENTIAL CONNECTOR TO THE WEST.
AND SO AS THIS MOVES FORWARD, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY DEPARTMENT TO, UH, EXAMINE THE EXTENT TO WHICH, UH, WE NEED TO COM UH, ADHERE TO THOSE STANDARDS.
SIMILARLY, THE CURB CUT ALONG, UH, WEST BRIDGE STREET, AS I MENTIONED, BEING A PRINCIPAL FRONTED STREET, UH, WOULD HAVE TO BE SCRUTINIZED.
IT'S VERY CLOSE TO SOME EXISTING TURN LANES.
SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT IF IT MOVES, IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.
UH, SAME THING WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT MONTEREY AND BRIDGE STREET.
UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME, UM, CALCULATIONS TO SEE IF A SIGNAL IS WARRANTED.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM ON IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.
THE ON STREET PARKING ON BRIDGE STREET, UH, AT THIS POINT IS NOT PERMITTED, BUT THE CITY WILL, UH, BE UNDERTAKING A STUDY OF THAT CORRIDOR IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
SO HOPEFULLY, UH, THAT WILL COINCIDE WITH THE PROGRESSION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, WILL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, WHAT THE STREETS SCAPE MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
THE, UH, REST OF IT IN TERMS OF, UH, CONNECTIVITY AND CIRCULATION, IT'S, UH, UH, SEEMS TO FUNCTION PRETTY SIMILARLY TO WHAT THE PLAN ENVISIONED.
UH, AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE DETAILS WILL BE LOOKED AT.
THE, UH, THE OPEN SPACE IS A UNIQUE SETTING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE.
UH, IT DOES SEEM TO FIT UNDER THE, UH, UM, PUBLIC SQUARE, UH, OPEN SPACE TYPE.
UH, WE WOULD, AGAIN, NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S GONNA BE PROGRAMMED AND, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE LIMITS AS TO HOW MANY, UH, ENCLOSED STRUCTURES, UH, COULD BE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT GENERALLY SEEMS TO BE IN A LOCATION THAT ADDRESSES THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, OPEN SPACE.
THE CEMETERY, UH, PARCEL OR THE DEDICATION FOR EXPANSION OF THE CEMETERY WILL BE UP TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, TO DETERMINE AS THIS MOVES FORWARD.
AND THEN THE, UH, FUTURE CONNECTIVITY TO CORBIN'S MILL, AGAIN, THE LAYOUT OF THE PARKING WILL HAVE TO BE EXAMINED BECAUSE HEAD PARKING TYPICALLY IS NOT PERMITTED ON A, ON A PUBLIC STREET.
THIS IS JUST A GENERAL OVERLAY TO SHOW HOW THIS RELATES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT.
AND THE APPLICANT SHARED WITH YOU SOME OF THE CHARACTER IMAGES.
HERE ARE A FEW FROM THE, UH, APPLICATION PACKET, BUT WITH THAT, WE'VE FRAMED A FEW, UH, DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR YOU THAT, UH, WE'D LIKE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON.
AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF THAT YOU MAY WANNA DISCUSS, UH, BASICALLY LAND USE, SITE LAYOUT, CIRCULATION SYSTEM, OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK, AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN APPROACH.
WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
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YOU.AT THIS TIME, WE WILL LOOK TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND FOR STAFF.
MR. GARVIN, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
BASED ON, UM, SO I HAVE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS MOSTLY AROUND BUILDING E FOR THE APPLICANT, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING UP.
SO THIS KIND OF DEMONSTRATES IT FINE ON THE WEST SIDE THERE.
OBVIOUSLY, I KNOW THIS IS ORIENTED TO THE EAST SIDE AND THE SQUARE.
UM, HOW DO YOU ENVISION THE FRONTAGE ON THAT? WHAT'S THE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS THERE ACCESS TO THE RETAIL OR IS THAT KIND OF SERVICE FOR THOSE BUILDINGS? UH, SORRY.
UM, I'M NOT, IS THIS BUILDING E ON THE LEFT SIDE IN YELLOW? YEAH, THE, THE, THE LONGEST BUILDING THERE.
AND THEN SO THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF THAT BUILDING WOULD BE ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.
SO IS THERE ANY ACCESS TO THE RETAIL FROM THAT SIDE? UH, THERE COULD BE SERVICE BACK DOORS.
THERE WOULD LIKELY BE SERVICE BACK DOORS, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT PLANNED TO HAVE A CUSTOMER FACING ENTRANCE THAT WAY.
UM, AND THEN HAVE YOU CONSIDERED IN, JUST IN LOOKING AT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ANY ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, ONE AND A HALF STORY ALONG BRIDGE STREET AT ALL? YEAH, WE'RE, WE, WE WOULD CONSIDER IT, UM, IF THERE WAS A MORE FUNCTIONING OFFICE MARKET, UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OFFICE ON THIS SITE.
UM, I, I WILL SAY OUR, OUR BRIDGE STREET, UH, BUILDINGS ARE, UH, THE, THE LEAST BAKED IN ANYTHING WE HAVE IN HERE.
I, I AGREE THAT WE COULD USE MORE EVEN CLEAR STORY HEIGHT THAT CREATES MORE INTERESTING AND LESS, UM, LESS LONG SUBURBAN, UH, ONE STORY BUILDINGS.
WE WOULD COME BACK FOR THE PDP WITH A, A MORE, UH, ENCOMPASSING VISION.
UM, AND THEN JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THE CUT THROUGH THAT LEADS EVENTUALLY TO THE CEMETERY.
UM, IS THAT WOULD LEAD TO THE SIDEWALK THERE, IS THERE AN OPENING AT THE CEMETERY THERE? DO YOU ENVISION ONE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN? I, I THINK WE WOULD NEED, WE WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF DUBLIN TO CREATE SOME KIND OF, UM, ENTRANCE IS THE WRONG WORD, BUT AN OKAY PATH TO GO DOWN.
LIKE IT LEADS A PEDESTRIAN TO KNOW, HEY, THIS IS WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE.
UM, I HAD A MEETING WITH A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER YESTERDAY WHERE WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT HOW COULD WE REALLY FRAME THAT, UM, THE DONATED CORNER TO REALLY CREATE A, A NEW GREAT ENTRANCE TO THE CEMETERY.
SO, UM, BOTH ARE ON THE TABLE.
AND THEN, UM, SPECIFICALLY THAT, UH, UM, THE EASTERN ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING GARAGE AREA, PARKING, HAVE YOUR PARKING LOT, UM, THAT'S WHERE THAT KIND OF WALKING PATH TERMINATES.
IS THERE VISION SIDEWALK ON THE SIDES THERE? IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH CARS COMING IN AND OUT AND PEOPLE WALKING THAT PATH? SO YEAH, WE WOULDN'T SEND THE PEDESTRIAN PATH INTO CARS COMING IN AND OUT.
UM, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE WIDE INTEGRATE SOME KIND OF SIDEWALK FEEL, UM, AND OR THE ENTRANCE CAN MOVE ANYWHERE UP OR DOWN THAT PAGE.
SO, UM, THAT'S AN OVERSIGHT ON OUR END.
AND THEN, JUST TO CLARIFY, ON THE, UM, PARALLEL PARKING ON BRIDGE STREET, YOU WERE SAYING IF THE STREET WAS EVENTUALLY WIDENED, THEN THAT PARALLEL PARKING WOULD BE USEFUL FOR THE WIDENING OF THE STREETS.
IS THAT SO, UM, WE HAVE I THINK 30 FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE TO, UM, THE ROADWAY.
UM, AND IF THAT COULD BE DEDICATED FOR SOME PEDESTRIAN FOR PARALLEL PARKING, UM, AN INTERESTING CONCEPT FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC THERE, WE WOULD WANT THE INDIVIDUAL LANES TO BE MORE NARROW, TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC.
AND IF THOSE LANES COULD THEN BE GIVEN TO THIS, THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THAT LANE SHRINKAGE COULD BE GIVEN TO THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE CEMETERY, THAT'D BE GREAT.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THOSE ARE WOOD COMPANIES.
TYLER POOL WANTS NOT CONVERSATIONS THE CITY'S HAD.
WE'RE GONNA BOUNCE OVER TO MR. CHINOOK.
UH, YEAH, A FEW, A FEW, COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT TOO.
RE AGAIN, REGARDING BUILDING E YOU, YOU, YOU COMMENTED ON IT'S NOT GONNA FEEL AS MASSIVE, I GUESS WAS MAYBE THE TERM WHAT WHAT YOU JUST SAYING BASED, BASED ON THE ARCHITECTURAL ARTICULATION, IT'S GONNA SCALE, IT'S GONNA FEEL SCALED APPROPRIATELY.
IT LOOKS VERY BIG IN PLAN, OBVIOUSLY.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, IT'S GONNA FEEL LIKE 20 AND 30 FOOT STOREFRONT BASE, LIKE YOU, YOU NORM YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SEE IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DIMENSIONS, BUT IF SOMEBODY'S STANDING AT THAT CENTER, UH, RED BUILDING IN THE SQUARE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE HOW LONG THAT BUILDING REALLY IS BECAUSE IT, UH, IS IN THAT PATHWAY AND YOU CAN'T SEE THE WHOLE THING, UM, THROUGH THOSE PEDESTRIAN WAYS.
SO THEY'RE ONLY REALLY GONNA SEE THE YELLOW PARTS, UM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND I THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THAT TOO WITH, YOU KNOW, ROOF LINES AND RECESSED INDENTIONS ALONG THERE.
SO THEY FEEL LIKE SEPARATE BUILDINGS HAVING
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SOME FLEXIBILITY, YOU KNOW, ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE, THE STOREFRONT, THE PULL AND SHRINK, YOU KNOW MM-HMMFOR, FOR TENANT SIZES, UM, IS ADVANTAGEOUS.
AND WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE BEHIND THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE SERVICE.
SO WE REALLY DON'T WANT PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THIS, UM, PATHWAY TO THE BACK.
WE WANNA KEEP, YOU KNOW, THE CONSUMER TO SEE THE, YOU KNOW, THE PRETTIEST PART OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT AND THAT.
AND, AND CAN YOU JUST KIND OF GENERALLY TALK BUILDING HEIGHTS? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS FROM THE RENDERINGS AND FROM WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE, ARE YOU, WHAT, WHAT ARE BUILDING HEIGHTS PERCEIVED TO BE ON THE SITE? IT LOOKS LIKE A STORY TO STORY AND A HALF TO TWO STORIES GENERALLY, YES.
IS THAT SAFE TO SAY? EVERYTHING WOULD BE UNDER THE TWO AND A HALF STORY MINIMUM? UM, UH, I AGREE WITH, UM, MR. GARVIN ON THAT.
THERE COULD BE MORE HEIGHT ALONG BRIDGE STREET, UM, BUT TO Y YES, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING ABOVE THAT.
AND THEN ALONG, AND THEN FOR THE SECOND, UH, FLOOR, GUESS SECOND LEVEL OF THE PARKING GARAGE, HOW, HOW IS THAT PLANNED TO BE SCREENED? I ASSUME WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE CARS ON THERE, YOU'LL SCREEN THE NO, NO.
UM, IF YOU COULD, UH, GO TO THE, THE ZOOMED INSIGHT PLAN, PLEASE PASS 'EM.
SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT, THAT YES, THE YELLOW BUILDING WILL CONTINUE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THERE.
SO IT WOULD BE, WE DON'T WANNA LOOK AT CONCRETE CRASH WALLS AT ALL AROUND THE BACKSIDE TOO, THOUGH, ON THE, SO AROUND THE BACKSIDE WE WOULDN'T, IT WOULD BE A MASONRY FACADE.
UM, SO WE DID A MASONRY FACADE ON OUR, ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF OUR SHORT NORTH GARAGE THAT, UM, COST A FORTUNE, BUT IT MAKES THE ENVIRONMENT SO MUCH BETTER.
AND ESPECIALLY IN YOUR CEMETERY.
SORRY, TO WHAT WOULD THE HEIGHT OF THAT BE THEN? THE TOP OF THE MASONRY WALL THERE? UH, SO I THINK OUR, OUR, OUR RETAIL HEIGHT IS 14 FEET FOR TO THE CEILING, UH, FOR THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT.
UM, I THINK WE COULD GRAB THAT, UM, AND GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT FOR OUR, OUR NEXT SUBMISSION.
UM, HAVE JUST, AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE VISION FOR IT.
AND THEN MY, WELL FINAL QUESTION, UM, HEAVILY RELIANT ON RETAIL AND RESTAURANT, AND YOU MENTIONED POTENTIALLY OFFICE SPACE.
DO YOU HAVE A, UH, I GUESS A PLAN B FOR THIS SPACE? SO WE'RE NOT HAVING EMPTY, I, I, I'M SURE YOU GOTTA PERFORM, YOU'VE DONE THE RESEARCH TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS AMOUNT OF RE IT'S JUST, IT'S A LOT OF RETAIL, A LOT OF RESTAURANT.
AND MY CONCERN WOULD BE HAVING EMPTY RETAIL THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SO I GUESS CAN YOU RESPOND TO THAT? LIKE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT? IF THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE? UH, WE, WE WILL HAVE MAJOR ISSUES IF THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE.
BUT, UM, ONE THING I WOULD SAY TOO IS TO GET THIS THING EVEN FINANCED, WE'LL HAVE TO BE 40 TO 50, EVEN MORE PERCENT PRE-LEASED, UM, SO THAT THERE'S A, A POSITIVE MOMENTUM TO THE CENTER.
AND ONE THING I TOLD THE COMMUNITY WAS, WE AREN'T, WE'RE ONLY UNDER CONTRACT RIGHT NOW.
AND IF WE CAN'T, IF WE'RE FINDING WE CAN'T DO A HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF TENANT VELOCITY, WE WON'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
SO WE ARE IN THE SHORT NORTH RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT FULL ON RETAIL, AND I THINK WE'RE VERY GOOD AT FINDING UNIQUE EXPERIENCES AND YOUR PLAN TO DEVELOP, IT'S ALL IN DEVELOPMENT.
IT WOULDN'T DEVELOP PART OF IT AND THEN SEE IF IT GETS FILLED.
AND THEN, SO THAT'S NOT THE GOAL, UM, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE A SMALL TO CREATE A, A, A REAL CENTER HERE.
SO YOU NEED TO HAVE A, A VOLUME OF PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANT TO BE HERE.
SO, UM, IF WE JUST DID THE FRONT OF IT AND THEN TRY TO DO THE BACK OF IT, YOU'D BE REALLY LIMITED ON WHAT USERS WILL BE INTERESTED.
THE, UH, LAND SWAP WITH THE CITY OF DELWIN.
UM, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, DOES THAT, HOW'S THAT IMPACT? I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A PRETTY BIG PIECE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
YEAH, THAT WOULD, DOES THAT GREATLY AFFECT OUR, UM, ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD? OKAY.
MR. TESLER, THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT BAAM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU FIRST HERE.
UH, IS IT FAIR TO ASSUME RELATIVE TO THE TRAFFIC THAT IT, THAT SOMETHING REALLY SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSED AT THE, AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE THE CITY HASN'T COMPLETED ITS EVALUATION STUDY? I, I THINK IN GENERAL, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE, BUT IN TERMS OF DETAILS AND WARRANTS FOR, UM, TRAFFIC SIGNALS OR LOCATIONS OF CURB CUTS, IT'S TOO EARLY AT THIS POINT.
JUST INITIALLY, BASED ON WHAT THE, THE APPLICANT WANTS OR IS THINKING FUTURE FORWARD FOR THE TRAFFIC, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CITY'S POSITION ON THAT NOW? SO AS, UH, I MENTIONED WITH THE BRIDGE STREET, UH, SPECIAL AREA PLAN, THE INTENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO TRY TO PROMOTE THIS CONNECTIVITY TO THE WEST.
AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT EVEN IF A TRAFFIC
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SIGNAL CANNOT BE WARRANTED, UH, THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE ESCAPE VALVES SO THAT THERE IS AN ALTERNATE ROUTE THEN GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.UM, OBVIOUSLY A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WOULD GREATLY ASSIST WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE TECHNICAL DATA HAS TO COME IN.
I MAY HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT.
WAS THERE, I KNOW THERE WAS A MENTIONING AND DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING A KIND OF AN ACCESS TO CORBIN'S MILL.
WHY, I GUESS, HOW COME THAT'S NOT IN THE PLAN NOW? UM, COULD WE GO TO THAT? SO KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE PARK, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE IT IN HERE.
SO WE'VE GOTTEN MIXED REACTION FROM THE CITY AND, UM, THE COMMUNITY.
UM, UH, I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR ANYBODY IN THAT MEETING, IT FELT LIKE SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS A, AN INTERESTING IDEA.
UM, BUT SOME FELT, UM, YOU DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE LAND FROM THE PARK AWAY.
UM, THAT'S AN UNPROGRAMMED AREA OF THE PARK, AND I'M NOT A CIVIL ENGINEER, BUT THE WAY THAT'S DRAWN IT SHOULD MISS THE NEW TENNIS COURTS.
AND WE DEFINITELY MISS THE NEW PLAYGROUND THAT'S BEEN PUT OUT THERE.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT ONES TO CUT DOWN TREES UNNECESSARILY, BUT IF WE WANTED A VALVE TO GET OUTTA HERE, I THINK THAT'D BE A STRONG MOVE.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS FROM AN ACCESS VALVE POINT, BECAUSE IT DOES FEEL A LITTLE BIT THAT THIS COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT CONGESTION, FRANKLY.
UH, WE'LL GET TO THAT LATER FROM WHEN I, I GO MY COMMENTS.
SO JAMIE HAD BROUGHT UP SOME OF THE AREAS THAT I WANTED TO GET INTO.
YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE 60% NON FOOD AND BEVERAGE RETAIL.
CAN YOU GIMME AN IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF RETAIL YOU'RE THINKING THEN? SO, UM, THERE IS A KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST, SINCE THE RECESSION, UM, RETAIL NATIONWIDE JUST HASN'T BEEN BUILT.
UM, ESPECIALLY NON GROCERY ANCHORED RETAIL, UM, TO THE POINT WHERE THERE ARE, UM, VERY FEW CENTERS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
AND SO OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS, UM, I CAN'T THINK OF ONE SIGNIFICANT CENTER THAT'S BEEN BUILT WEST OF THREE 15 THAT ISN'T GROCERY ANCHORED FOR RETAIL.
SO, UM, TUTTLE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, HAS, HAS, HAS ITS ISSUES.
UM, AND WE THINK THAT THIS IS A, UH, A HIGH DEMOGRAPHIC AREA WITH GREAT ACCESS AND APPAREL SHOPPERS REALLY WANT TO BE IN COLUMBUS.
AND COLUMBUS HAS AN MSA SIZE WHERE THERE SHOULD BE TWO SHOPPING AREAS, NOT ONE.
UM, EASTON IS THIS BEHEMOTH WHERE THEY CAPTURE ALL THIS STUFF, AND I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SAY ANYTHING ON THE RECORD, BUT WHAT EASTON GETS IN RENTS IS EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT.
AND FOR THESE RETAILERS, I'M GOING FURTHER THAN YOU ASKED, BUT FOR THESE RETAILERS, UM, NOBODY JUST STUMBLES ONTO THEIR BRAND.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO HAVE A PRESENCE IN A COMMUNITY OF A WALKABLE CENTER WHERE THESE PEOPLE CAN FIND THEM 'CAUSE RENT COMPARED TO THEIR, YOU KNOW, UH, ONLINE ADVERTISING BUDGETS IS NOT A ROUNDING ERROR, BUT, UH, VERY SMALL COMPARED TO THE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, TENS OF MILLIONS ON ONLINE ADVERTISING.
SO I'M, I'M NOT CERTAIN YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION.
I, I WANT, I, LET'S TRY AGAIN.
I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT TYPES, OH, LIKE, ARE YOU THINKING LIKE, WE'RE GONNA PUT A SALON IN YEAH.
OR ARE WE GONNA THINK, UH, WE'RE GONNA PUT A CLOTHING SHOP, A BOUTIQUE SHOP? I'M, I'M JUST, I'M GIVING, I JUST WANT AN IDEA WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT WHAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING.
A A LOT OF APPAREL, DEFINITELY FITNESS.
UM, WE THINK THERE'S A STRONG NEED FOR QUICK SERVICE FOOD, ESPECIALLY ALONG BRIDGE STREET.
SO, UM, BRIDGE PARK, UM, AND OLD DUBLIN HAVE A HARD TIME ACCOMMODATING THAT OLD DUBLIN WITH, UM, THE PARKING NEEDS.
AND THEN, UH, BRIDGE STREET WITH, IT'S HARD TO PICK UP A SALAD, UM, AND PULL INTO A GARAGE AND DO THAT.
SO, UM, AND THEN WE WANT SOME FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT HERE AS WELL.
BUT AS MARK SAID, WE, WE ARE AVOIDING LATE NIGHT, UM, ALTOGETHER.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE, IN THE SHORT NORTH, I MEAN, WE, IF YOU TALK TO, TO ANYONE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE ADVOCATED WITH THE MAYOR OF CITY COUNCIL AND WE, WE'VE BEEN SO KIND OF AGAINST THE LATE NIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAPPENING IN THE SHORT NORTH AND ARE REALLY ABOUT KIND OF DESTINATION RETAIL, COMMUNITY RETAIL, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY ARE PROUD OF OUR TRACK RECORD WITH THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY THINK THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE ANYONE A TOUR, SHOW YOU ALL OF OUR TENANT MIX THAT WE HAVE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU WOULD THINK THAT WE'VE DONE A, A, A REALLY GOOD JOB OF WORKING WITH GOOD PEOPLE, UM, THAT COULD HELP CREATE COMMUNITY.
UM, YEAH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY PROUD
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OF.UM, THE FIRST NORTH STAR WAS IN OUR PORTFOLIO.
THE FIRST BRASCO WAS IN OUR PORTFOLIO, THE FIRST JENNY'S OUTSIDE OF THE NORTH MARKET.
UM, AND THEN DOZENS OF, YOU KNOW, UM, INDEPENDENT RETAILERS THAT HAVE CREATED REALLY COOL EXPERIENCES.
CAN I TOUCH ON SOMETHING THERE? SO, UH, YOU JUST ALLUDED SOMETHING I WAS KIND OF THINKING, ARE THERE ANY OF YOUR PREVIOUS PARTNERS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED ANY INTEREST IN THIS YET? OR IS IT KIND OF TOO EARLY IN THAT PROCESS? YES, UH, THERE HAS BEEN INTEREST EXPRESSED BY SOMEONE.
I, I CAN'T GO INTO WHO YET, BUT, UM, YES.
GOING BACK TO THE COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE LATE NIGHTS, I MEAN, ARE YOU THINKING LIKE A NOT GONNA GO BEYOND 10 OR 11? IS THAT GONNA BE YEAH, WE WOULD WRITE THAT INTO LISA'S.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT.
I MEAN, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE SELF-MANAGING THIS PROJECT.
WE WANT IT TO BE A COMMUNITY ASSET.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THINK FOOD HAS A PLACE HERE, UM, AS KIND OF CREATING A, SOME VIBRANCY, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ABOUT BAR SCENE.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT THIS TO BE A, YOU KNOW, REALLY HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR FAMILIES.
I, I, I REALLY THINK THAT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, I'D BE HAPPY TO TOUR ANYONE AROUND AND MAKE INTRODUCTIONS TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED WITH US.
UM, SO YOU COULD UNDERSTAND KIND OF HOW SINCERE WE ARE WITH, WITH THOSE COMMENTS.
SO I THINK THIS HAS BEEN MY LAST QUESTION HERE.
GOING BACK ON BUILDING E AND LIKE THE, THE PARKING SITUATION BEHIND THERE, I, I'M JUST WONDERING, HAD THERE, WERE THERE ANY OTHER IDEAS ABOUT THE USE OF THAT? 'CAUSE IT FEELS LIKE, UNLESS IT'S GONNA BE LIKE EMPLOYEES ONLY PARKING BACK THERE, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT CUMBERSOME FOR PATRONS TO HAVE TO PARK THERE AND THEN WALK AROUND TO THE, TO THE FRONT.
IT, THE GOAL IS THAT IT WOULD BE EMPLOYEES ONLY BACK THERE.
UM, WE CAN'T PUT UP A GATE OR ANYTHING DUE TO FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD BE THERE BEFORE THE PA BEFORE PATRONS WOULD ARRIVE AT THE CENTER.
SO THEY WOULD BE DIRECTED TO PARK THERE FIRST.
WE, WE ORIGINALLY SHOWED A KIND OF A OUTDOOR PATIO SPACE, UM, UH, TOP LEFT PAGE AS YOU'RE COMING AROUND THE CORNER.
AND, UM, THEN, THEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAID, NO, WE NEED TO HAVE FULL ACCESS.
BUT WE WERE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO KIND OF CLOSE OFF THE BACKSIDE OF THAT SO THAT IT WAS NOT A CONSUMER FACING EXPERIENCE.
FIRST OF ALL, UM, WHEN I'M, I'M KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THE, UM, POPUPS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, I'M CALLING IN THAT SQUARE AREA.
WOULD THOSE BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOOD OR WOULD THOSE BE LIKE A SPECIAL EVENTS KIND OF FARMER'S MARKET AND USING THOSE IN THAT WAY? OR COULD THEY BE BOTH? OR DO YOU SEE THE LAST QUESTION TOO? SORRY, WITH THAT, UH, LIKE FOOD TRUCK OPPORTUNITIES? YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR.
JUST KIND OF FOUND EXPERIENCES WHERE WHEN YOU GO ONE WEEK IT'S DIFFERENT, AND THEN WHEN YOU GO THE NEXT WEEK, UM, UH, WE HAD REALLY THOUGHT, SO I THINK BRIDGE PARK DOES A GREAT JOB WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET.
UM, AND, UH, AND WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT, WE REALLY HAD A VISION FOR CREATING A GOOD CHRISTMAS MARKET.
AND THEN I SEE THE CITY OF DUBLIN HAS A BIG THING, THE DISPATCH ABOUT A CHRISTMAS MARKET THERE.
SO I'M LIKE, WELL, WE'RE STRUGGLING HERE, SO WE WANNA MAKE THIS BE A UNIQUE AND PROGRAMMED, UH, YOU KNOW, SITUATION THAT WILL KEEP KEEP PEOPLE COMING BACK.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES.
AND THEN CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH BRIDGE STREET, UM, AND, AND WHAT I'M EXPERIENCING WITH THAT, UH, IF YOU ARE A WALKER, YEAH.
THERE'S THE TRAFFIC OUT FRONT.
UM, IS THE SIDEWALK GOING TO BE LARGE? UH, WOULD IT BE A PLACE THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME BENCHES THERE? AND THEN ALSO CLARIFY, WOULD I BE ABLE TO GET INTO, UH, ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WAY, OR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE STORES? OR IS IT ALL INTERNAL? BECAUSE I SEE THAT PART IS ALL INTERNAL.
AND IF BEFORE THE APPLICANT SPEAKS, MR. PATAR, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE BRIDGE STREET ISN'T THEIRS, SO IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT RIGHT OF WAY WHERE IT ENDS, AND THEN WE'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR HIS VISION.
SO THERE, THERE ARE TWO THINGS WITH BRIDGE STREET.
ONE IS THE ACTUAL BRIDGE STREET, UH, STREET NETWORK, AND THE, UH, AND THE STREET CHARACTER GUIDELINES, MAYBE GETTING THE TERMINOLOGY INCORRECT, BUT THERE ARE GUIDELINES FOR THE FRONTAGES, INCLUDING BRIDGE STREET.
SO IT DOES GO FOR A WIDER SIDEWALK, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IN HERE.
UH, IT DOES NOT AT THIS POINT INCLUDE ON STREET PARKING, ON BRIDGE STREET, BUT I MENTIONED THE CITY IS LOOKING AT UNDERTAKING A STUDY FOR THAT CORRIDOR.
AND ALL OF THOSE DETAILS WILL BE PART OF THE
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STUDY, INCLUDING THE NARROW SIDEWALK BY THE CEMETERY AND SO FORTH.UM, THE, THE DOORS WOULD BE FACING, UM, BRIDGE STREET, SO WE'D WANT THAT TO FEEL LIKE THE FRONT DOOR THERE.
UM, UH, THE BENCHES AND SEATING.
I, WE WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT GOING OUT THERE.
UM, WE ALSO NEED TO DEVELOP THAT WITHIN OUR, UH, VILLAGE SQUARE AS WELL.
UM, OR, YOU KNOW, SOME SEATING CAN HAPPEN THERE.
SOME WE NEED BIKE PARKING ON THE SITE AND WHERE THAT CAN HAPPEN.
BUT, UM, YES, WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, MAKING BRIDGE STREET BA VERY COMFORTABLE PLACE INSTEAD OF WHAT IT'S NOW.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S MY LAST QUESTION, BUT DESCRIBE YOUR INTENTION OF MAKING THE AREA WALKABLE.
SO JUST WALKING THAT AREA, YOU'RE FIVE OR SIX MINUTES FROM KROGER'S, YOU'RE, UM, THEN A LITTLE FURTHER, THERE'S HOTELS AND THEN THERE YOU A FALL ON THE OTHER SAW FALLS AND SO FORTH WHERE YOU CAN BRING PEOPLE WALKING, UH, AND THEN EVEN CONNECTING THE PARK AND ALL OF THE OTHER AMENITIES THERE, UH, WORKING.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE CITY TOO ABOUT MAKING A PATHWAY THERE, BUT MAINLY THE WALKABILITY OF ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE AROUND THAT AREA THAT PEOPLE COULD THEN FALL INTO WHERE YOU ARE? UH, YEAH.
SO I, YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST ON THE SITE THE OTHER DAY.
WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH HERE, IF YOU'RE AT THE KROGER OR IF YOU'RE AT, UM, THE SHADOW LANE, UM, YOU KIND OF WALK TOWARDS THIS SITE IN THIS DIRECTION MM-HMM
AND THEN WHEN NOTHING'S THERE AND WHEN THE GAS STATION'S THERE, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S KIND OF TELLING YOU TO STOP MM-HMM
AND I THINK IF WE WERE ABLE TO ADD SIDEWALKS AND CREATE THIS, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, THERE WOULD BE NEED TO BE SIGNAGE IN THERE TO, YOU KNOW, HELP, HELP SHOW PEOPLE THAT THIS IS HERE.
UM, BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT AS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RAISED CONCRETE PATHWAYS CAN SHOW PEOPLE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING TO WALK TO HERE.
UM, THE SIDEWALKS WILL DO A GOOD JOB OF THAT.
SO I, I, I HOPE I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, BUT WE'RE, UM, WE'RE THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS PROJECT, IF IT WAS AT A CERTAIN DISTANCE FURTHER TOWARDS THE KROGER, WE WOULD BE MUCH LESS INTERESTED BECAUSE WE THINK THERE'S REAL CONNECTIVITY TOWARDS OLD DUBLIN WITH THIS DUE TO THE WALKABILITY.
AND IT'S A GREAT CONNECTION NOT TO BE FORGOTTEN OF THAT TOO.
AND IS THE CITY AMENABLE TO, LIKE MAYBE THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX WITH, UM, INTERESTING, UH, OTHER PATHWAYS MAYBE TO THE PARK THAT KIND OF THEN FALL INTO THIS? THAT MAY BE, YEAH, I THINK ALL, ALL OF THOSE MOBILITY, UH, INITIATIVES WILL BE PART OF THE STUDY.
WELL, IT'S INTEREST INTERESTING TO SEE ANOTHER PROPOSAL FOR THIS SITE.
WE'VE CERTAINLY SEEN QUITE A FEW.
SO, UM, REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THIS MIGHT DEVELOP.
UM, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED RIGHT NOW.
IS THERE, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR WHERE THE ONE TO IS, IS THE TWO STORY ON BRIDGE STREET, OR IS IT MIXED THROUGHOUT, OR? RIGHT NOW IT, IT ALL LOOKS LIKE IT'S ONE STORY FROM THE RENDERINGS AND THINGS, SO IT WOULD BE MIXED THROUGHOUT.
WE'RE NOT THERE YET ON ELEVATIONS.
UM, BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE TO KIND OF MAKE IT LOOK LIKE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS THAT GO IN AND OUT THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED OVER TIME.
SO WHEN I SAY TWO STORY, THAT MEANS THERE'S KIND OF, TO THE PEDESTRIAN OUTSIDE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S TWO STORY, BUT IT WOULD BE DOUBLE HEIGHT INSIDE.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT WE TRIED TO OCCUPY THE SPACE.
I MEAN, IF, IF THERE WAS A OFFICE DEMAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT SAID THIS WOULD BE A GREAT FIT FOR OUR OFFICE, AND MAYBE THAT SECOND FLOOR COULD BECOME MORE PROGRA PROGRAMMED, YOU KNOW, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT VOLUME OF SPACE AND CREATING ARCHITECTURAL, YOU KNOW, INTEREST FROM THE, FROM THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL.
SO THE INTENT IS JUST TO CREATE A TWO STORY SPACE THAT MAY JUST BE OCCUPIED BY ONE, THE ONE FLOOR.
AND YOU CAN ALWAYS PUT A MEZZANINE IN IT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S THAT TYPE OF RETAIL ENVIRONMENT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL.
UM, YOU JUST BROUGHT UP THE OFFICE THING AGAIN.
YOU SAID THERE, YOU KNOW, MARK, THE OFFICE MARKET IS SOFT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS DUBLIN, THIS IS HISTORIC DUBLIN, AND THERE'S A REAL TENDENCY FOR THE SMALL OFFICES OVER ON THE SECOND STORY THROUGHOUT HISTORIC DUBLIN, THERE'S LAWYER OFFICES AND OTHER THINGS.
UM, I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE A MARKET FOR THAT.
UM, THE ISSUE WITH OFFICE RIGHT NOW IS IT WOULD FEEL LIKE HALF OF THE LENDERS AREN'T TOUCHING IT.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER HALF WOULD SAY IT NEEDS TO BE HALF OR FULLY PRE-LEASED.
SO THOSE ONE-OFFS AREN'T SIGNING LEASES A YEAR OR TWO IN ADVANCE IS, WOULD BE THE ISSUE.
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO COME TO THE PDP AND TELL YOU WE'VE GOT A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE TENANT AND WE CAN PARK IT AND WE'RE GOOD.
UM, I, I, I DON'T HAVE FAITH IN THAT.
UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY PLAN HAS BEEN PRESENTED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MIXED USE VILLAGE.
UM, THE AREA PLAN FOR THIS AREA SUGGESTS THAT THERE'S MIXED USE UP
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ALONG BRIDGE STREET AND THEN RESIDENTIAL BEHIND IT THAT TALKS ABOUT TOWNHOUSES OR SOMETHING.UM, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT FOLLOWING THAT PATTERN, AND I KNOW THE COMMUNITY HAS, HAS STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THAT AND YOU'VE MET WITH THEM.
UM, COULD YOU EVER SEE RESIDENTIAL BEING SOMEHOW INTEGRATED IN THIS, WHETHER IT'S ON AN UPPER FLOOR OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, SOME KIND OF UNIQUE RESIDENTIAL UNIT, LIKE MAYBE IT'S LIKE LIVE WORK, LIKE A, AN OWNER THAT HAS A SHOP AND HE WANTS TO LIVE ABOVE IT.
IS THAT STILL POSSIBLE, OR IN YOUR MIND? I WOULD WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE WISHES OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND TO THE, AND TO THIS COMMISSION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE MAINLY A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER.
I WOULD SAY THAT'S THE, A LARGE PART OF OUR BUSINESS.
AND WE'VE DONE KIND OF THE, THE HIGHEST END RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN CENTRAL OHIO.
UM, SO THE ANSWER IS IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD GREATLY INVESTIGATE THAT.
UM, IF THERE WAS COMMUNITY SUPPORT, UM, AND I, I WOULD THINK THERE'S A MARKET FOR A FOR SALE PRODUCT HERE.
UH, AGAIN AND AGAIN, I'M, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR JOB IS TO, TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY PLAN IN ALL OF ITS COMPONENTS.
SO I'M LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT THAT RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL RETAIL.
AND I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT, SO I'M JUST, I'M ASKING, OKAY, THE APPETITE FOR THINKING OF, OF A MIX OF USES.
AND I SHARE THE SAME CONCERN THAT, UM, MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS DO ABOUT, IT'S JUST, IT'S ALL RETAIL.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, IT'S PUTTING ALL YOUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET IN THE MARKET GOES THE HECK WHAT HAPPENS.
SO I, I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU'RE STILL OPEN TO THINKING ABOUT THAT MIX OF USES.
YOU PULLED UP A GRAPHIC THAT I DON'T THINK IS IN OUR PACKET, UH, THAT SHOWS THE CONNECTION TO, UH, A CONNECTION TO CORBIN'S MILL, WHICH THE, WHAT'S IN OUR PACKET LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S AN EXTENSION OF THE STREET THAT'S TO THE SOUTH THERE THAT WOULD LITERALLY GO TO THE WEST.
BUT THIS HAS A JOG AND IT DISRUPTS THE PARK.
I DON'T WHERE DID THAT, THAT'S A NEW GRAPHIC.
I IS THAT IN OUR PACKAGE SOMEWHERE? UH, NO, IT WAS NOT.
SO THIS IS A CONCEPT THAT WE DISCUSSED BEFORE.
IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT GOES THROUGH A CITY PARK, SO IT WOULD INCLUDE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY.
BUT, BUT, BUT IS THE, IS THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE TO JUST GO DIRECTLY WEST STILL AN OPTION? OR ARE YOU SAYING THIS IS, THIS IS GETTING AROUND SOME ISSUE THAT YOU CAN'T GO DIRECTLY WEST? I, I THINK, AND, AND THEY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK THIS, UH, THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO TRY TO ACHIEVE A MORE IMMEDIATE CONNECTION, UH, WHICH THIS, IF THE CITY IS AMENABLE, WOULD PROVIDE THAT.
BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF THE STREET NETWORK AND THE BLOCK AND, AND, AND THERE'S MORE VISIBLE CONNECTIONS, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHY IS THIS CONNECTION THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW EASIER? IS IT BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS THE LAND? OR, OR SOMEBODY? I, I, SO I CAN SPEAK TO THIS, THIS WAS THE, THE, YES.
IT'S BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS THE LAND AND WE COULD MAKE IT HAPPEN RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE OTHER ONE, WE WOULD JUST EXTEND THAT STREET AS YOU SEE IT, UM, BEHIND BUILDING FI THINK IT IS.
UM, AND THAT COULD, THERE, THERE YOU GO.
UM, THE WORRIES THAT COULD TAKE DECADES TO BECAUSE OF LAND OWNERSHIP, RIGHT? YEAH.
I I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, BECAUSE TO ME THAT'S, I, I MEAN I, I'M
I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS.
IS THAT, SEE THAT 64 BASSAM, IS THAT A PRIVATELY OWNED HOUSE? CORRECT.
HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OWNER? I'LL ASK FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE AND THEN FROM THE APPLICANT ABOUT SAILING.
UH, NOT RECENTLY WITH THE CITY BY BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS TALKED TO, UH, WE'VE REACHED OUT, BUT HAVEN'T MADE CONTACT.
IS, UH, WHAT'S THE STANDARD THAT FOR EMINENT DOMAIN FROM A PROJECT LIKE THIS, FOR THAT PROPERTY GOVERNMENTAL SERVICE GETTING AROUND? 'CAUSE I AGREE WITH AND WHOSE PURVIEW THAT WOULD BE IN, RIGHT.
WELL, SO THE, THE CITY HAS IMMINENT DOMAIN AUTHORITY THAT ULTIMATELY WOULD BE A CITY COUNCIL DECISION.
I, I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA.
I JUST ALSO WANNA BE ON RECORD THAT WE ARE, ARE NOT, UM, ADVOCATING FOR SOMEONE BEING PUSHED OUT OF THEIR HOME.
I, I THINK I'M GETTING IS WHAT, UH,
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KIM IS SAYING AS WELL, IS, I, I DON'T IF ANY KIND OF PROJECT IN THIS AREA IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE KIND OF DENSITY THAT THIS IS PROPOSING, REGARDLESS OF, OF WHAT IT IS, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF RELEASE VALVE AND IT JUST SEEMS APPROPRIATE.I I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING THE PARKING LANE EITHER, SO SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO GIVE ANYWAY.
I'M SORRY TO CUT IN, BUT ON THE SAME LINES, MR. GARVIN, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO MR. WAY.
SORRY, KIM TIME, UH, MS 48, THAT, THAT UM, UH, RED ROOSTER THAT WE HAD HEARD TESTIMONY FROM, I THINK IT WAS ROOSTER AND THEN, UM, QUILTS MAYBE MAY HAVE THE BUSINESS WRONG.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, SO THAT, UM, THAT'S CORRECT.
WHAT WE HEARD IN THAT MEETING WAS THAT THEY WEREN'T SUPPORTIVE OF A CUT THROUGH EITHER.
THANK YOU, MR. GARVIN, MR. WAY.
SO I JUST HAVE, UH, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
UM, AGAIN, GETTING BACK TO THIS IDEA OF MIXED USE.
SO THE, THE GARAGE, UM, TWO STORIES.
UM, YOU HAVE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, AND THEN THE, THE PARKING COMES UP AND BASICALLY GOES OVER THE ROOF OF THE RETAIL BELOW, AND YOU HAVE A FALSE FACADE THAT SCREENS THE PARKING FROM THE STREET.
HAD YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, I MEAN, THAT TO ME WOULD BE THE LOGICAL PLACE FOR A TWO STORY DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE PARKING AT THE SECOND LEVEL, PEOPLE CAN WALK RIGHT IN TO WHATEVER ESTABLISHMENT IS.
SO HAD, HAD YOU CONSIDERED THAT? UH, YES, THAT WAS ON OUR ORIGINAL PLAN.
UM, WE WANTED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PARKING CODE, SO WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE A GOOD CEILING HEIGHT ON THE FIRST FLOOR, BUT THEN BEING ABLE TO PARK THE SITE ADEQUATELY AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF PAR PARKING TO SUPPORT WHATEVER, THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO DENSITY.
AND I JUST THINK I'M, I'M LOOKING FROM, FROM A, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT IN THAT THE IDEA OF MIXED USE AND, AND WHERE IS IT APPROPRIATE TO GET THAT MIXED USE.
AND I, I SEE OPPORTUNITIES HERE.
SO JUST WANT, WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS ON THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YOU GUYS COVERED ALL OF MINE, SO I'M, I'M GOOD.
AT THIS TIME WE'D LIKE TO INVITE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COME FORWARD.
WE DO REQUEST THAT YOU, WELL, YOUR MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON.
WE DO REQUEST THAT YOUR, YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
UH, PUBLIC COMMENT IS INTENDED TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, BUT IT'S NOT INTENDED FOR AN OPEN DISCUSSION, DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS CASE? WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
NICOLE SALVA, 3 3 6 PEBBLE CREEK DRIVE.
UM, I'M HERE REPRESENTING WATERFORD VILLAGE, WHERE THIS IS ALL HAPPENING.
UH, WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH TYLER RECENTLY.
UM, AND I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, A MAJORITY THAT DID ATTEND WERE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, THERE WERE SOME POSITIVES AND ALSO SOME CONCERNS.
SO, UH, THE POSITIVES WERE, AND I KNOW SOME HAVE MENTIONED IT, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE THRILLED.
THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL, UH, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, TRAFFIC IS SO CONCERNING, ESPECIALLY BRINGING IN A LARGE DENSITY OF LIVING UNITS.
SO WITH THERE BEING NO RESIDENTIAL AND IT BEING RIGHT ACROSS FROM OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM, WE ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT.
UH, WE ALSO ENJOY THE GREEN SPACE THAT'S PRESENTED IN THE MIDDLE FOR OUR FAMILIES TO GO AND ENJOY.
UH, ALSO THE POTENTIAL OF THE EXPANSION OF THE SIDEWALKS ON BRIDGE STREET WOULD BE, UM, MUCH BETTER FOR US TO MOVE AROUND TO OUR KIDS' SCHOOL AND WHATNOT, UH, IN A MORE SAFER ENVIRONMENT.
AND, UM, WE DID APPRECIATE THAT THE WOOD COMPANIES WOULD MAINTAIN IT AND, UH, KEEP OWNERSHIP OF IT, UH, AND NOT KIND OF LEAVE THE PROJECT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF TYLER MENTIONED IT, BUT, UH, WE WERE CONCERNED WITH THE PARKING GARAGE JUST IN GENERAL.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DID NOT WANT.
UH, HOWEVER, UM, AND I DON'T THINK HE SAID IT, BUT, UM, THERE WOULD BE 24 7 SECURITY THAT THEY HIRE OUT.
UH, SO THAT WOULD BE MONITORED.
AND WITH, UM, THE RETAIL OR THE BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE THERE EVENTUALLY BEING KIND OF SHUT DOWN AROUND 11, 10, 11 MAX, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BRING UNWANTED BEHAVIOR AND IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T, THE UNWANTED BEHAVIOR WOULDN'T BE THERE WITH THAT HAPPENING AND THE SECURITY.
SO WE FELT LIKE THAT WOULD KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD QUIET AND SAFE.
UM, AS WE'VE MENTIONED, TRAFFIC, UH, WE DON'T KNOW HOW ANY PROJECT HERE CAN HAPPEN WITHOUT A LIGHT.
UM, I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP AT MANY
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MEETINGS BEFORE, BUT, UH, THE LIGHT THERE AT BRIDGE AND, UM, MONTEREY, IF WE DO HAVE SOME EXIT ROUTES, OTHER WAYS THAT MAY ALLEVIATE, BUT STILL, I, I THINK THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE A LIGHT JUST FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.UM, ALSO WE WERE CONCERNED, AND TYLER MENTIONED IT ABOUT TRAFFIC, UM, KIND OF EXITING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'VE ALREADY BECOME KIND OF A CUT THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD IF, UH, YOU KNOW, HISTORICS BACKED UP, OR BRIDGE PARK OR FRANCE, EVERYONE TRYING TO GET DOWN TO THE MAIN PART OF DUBLIN.
SO WE WANNA TRY TO PREVENT EVEN MORE CUT THROUGH IF PEOPLE ARE EXITING THIS BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND JUST KIND OF GOING DIRECTLY ONTO BRIDGE STREET IF POSSIBLE.
OR I GUESS POTENTIALLY OUT TO CORBE MILLS, IF THAT BECOMES AN OPTION.
UH, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT MAYBE PUTTING SOMETHING THAT WOULD, UM, RIGHT THERE AT MONTEREY, LIKE WHERE THE, THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD END AND KIND OF WHERE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS STARTS.
KIND OF LIKE A FALSE, UM, NOT A STREET END, BUT KIND OF LIKE, OH, CAN WE GET TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FROM HERE? KIND OF, I FORGET WHAT TYLER SAID IT WOULD BE CALLED, BUT, UM, KIND OF LIKE A DETERRENT TO DRIVE THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE IN TALKS WITH THE CITY.
SO, UM, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO FURTHER THOSE DISCUSSIONS JUST TO KIND OF KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, SAFE FROM ALL THE EXTRA CARS.
I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSION AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, MARK.
AND, AND TYLER, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
OH, MY NAME IS KEITH BARNES, 2 7 9 CLOVER COURT.
SO I LIVE REALLY THE ROAD NEXT TO THE PARK.
UH, OUR HOME IS ON THE CORNER, SO YOU KNOW, WE CAN SEE THE PARK FROM OUR HOME.
UM, CERTAINLY THE DEVELOPMENT THERE WOULD BE VERY VISIBLE TO US.
UM, I'VE BEEN A PART OF EVERY ONE OF THE MEETINGS WHERE THERE'S BEEN A PROPOSED CHANGE.
AND THIS BY FAR, UH, WAS THE MOST APPEALING.
AND I'M NOT SAYING I SPEAK FOR, FOR EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT A A A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE'VE SPOKEN TO ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THIS PROJECT THERE.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY CRAWFORD HOING, UH, THEY'RE PROFESSIONAL GROUP AS WELL, BUT THIS GROUP, UH, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, THE WOOD COMPANIES JUST FITS THIS, UM, HISTORICAL TRANSITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER THAN ANYTHING THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.
IT'S NOT LIKE STACKING A BOX CAR ON A BOX CAR ON A BOX CAR.
I THINK IT FITS VERY WELL WITHIN, WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, AND KIND OF TO REALLY TO REITERATE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT NICOLE SAID, BECAUSE WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS.
WE, WE HAVE BEEN A CUT THROUGH MORE SO BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRED IN BRIDGE STREET AND EVEN
I THINK THAT'S GONNA INVITE MORE PEOPLE COMING DOWN, UH, BRIDGE STREET.
UM, AND SOMETIMES THAT TRAFFIC WILL GET BACKED UP, UH, YOU KNOW, PASSED THE KROGER ALMOST TO FRANCE.
SO WHEN THEY GET TO MONTEREY, THEY SEE IT AS A QUICK CUT THROUGH FOR THOSE THAT UNDERSTAND THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEY MAY GO DOWN TO FRANCE.
SO THEY GO DOWN TO, UH, FROM MONTEREY TO, UH, WATERFORD AND DOWN TO HIGH STREET, OR DOWN TO FRANKLIN.
SO IT, IT, AND THE CONCERN ALWAYS HAS BEEN FOR THE NEIGHBORS IS THAT THEIR PARK IS TO THE SOUTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT OR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, AND THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY OVER TO THE PARK.
THERE'S ONLY ONE SIDEWALK ON MONTEREY, IT'S ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
SO, UH, PARENTS WITH THEIR FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, WILL WALK DOWN MONTEREY, BUT THEY HAVE TO CROSS THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, IT'S A FOUR-WAY STOP SIGN.
AND I'VE ASKED THE DUBLIN POLICE WHO HAVE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE, BUT THEY'VE BEEN VERY GOOD AT COMING OUT AND MONITORING.
IT'S, IT'S, EVERY TIME THEY COME OUT, THEY SAY, WELL, WE DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY RUN, STOP, SIGN.
WE SEE IT CONSTANTLY, AND WE REALLY DO.
AND, AND MORE SO WITH THE INCREASED TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE.
UH, AND SOME OF IT'S NOT A ROLL THROUGH STOP, IT'S A, IT'S LIKE THEY FLOOR IT TO SEE HOW FAST THEY CAN GET THROUGH IT.
UH, SO ANY INCREASE IN TRAFFIC THERE OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE A CONCERN FOR, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
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UM, BUT IN, IN COMPARING THIS TO THE CRAWFORD WING, BY FAR, BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE ONE, ONE AND A HALF VERSUS THREE, UH, IS MUCH MORE DESIRABLE.UH, WE FEEL IT WILL ALSO PROVIDE, UH, A PLACE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES TO GO.
UM, THERE'S ONE THING THAT HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED THAT I THINK SHOULD BE, THERE'S A, A CREEK THAT FLOWS, UM, ALONG THE, THE PARK AND THAT CREEK WILL GET PRETTY FULL, UH, YOU KNOW, AND IT GOES BEHIND THE HOMES THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG CLOVER COURT.
UM, AND THERE'S A HOME AT THE VERY END THAT'S ACTUALLY IS FLOODED BECAUSE IT GETS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY FULL OF WATER WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF DOWNPOUR.
SO I THINK ANYTIME YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING CONCRETE ON THE GROUND, YOU'RE CREATING MORE RUNOFF.
UH, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, THE, THE CITY AND I REALLY DO HOPE THE CITY WORKS, UH, AND THE COMMISSION WILL WORK WITH, UH, WOOD COMPANIES TO COME UP WITH A PLAN, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A REALLY GOOD FIT, NOT ONLY FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I THINK FOR DUBLIN.
UH, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OLD DUBLIN.
I THINK THIS IS GONNA JUST TRANSITION INTO THAT.
BEAUTIFUL, AND I, YOU KNOW, IN RESEARCHING, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THE COMPANY, THEY, THEY CERTAINLY HAVE A, A REPUTATION FOR QUALITY, UH, WHICH I THINK IS CONSISTENT WITH, WITH WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IN DUBLIN AND, AND, AND IN BRIDGE STREET.
SO I HOPE THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS PROPOSAL AND WORK CAN WORK AND THE CITY CAN WORK WITH THEM IN, IN GETTING IT DONE.
UM, THERE'S A LADY IN THE BACK WHO STOOD UP THE LAST FEW TIMES, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I APPRECIATE THAT.
IF YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MARYANNE CLARK AND I LIVE AT 1 46 CORBIN'S MILL DRIVE.
SO I'M CORBIN'S MILL, BUT WE ALSO ARE CONCERNED WITH THE TRAFFIC.
WE HAVE A LOT OF ELDERLY, WE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN.
SO OUR REQUEST IS BEFORE YOU START DOING CUT THROUGHS AND EVERYTHING, PLEASE CONSIDER THAT WE ARE A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
UM, MY OTHER THOUGHT WAS WHERE THE PARK STOPS, WHERE THE TENNIS COURTS ARE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, IF THERE CAN BE SOME, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TREES OR SOME KIND OF A GOOD BARRIER BETWEEN THE TENNIS COURTS AND PARKING, YOU KNOW, A CAR DOOR SLAMMING AND PEOPLE IN AND OUT A LOT.
WE, WE, YEAH, WE, WE DON'T WANNA ENCOURAGE DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE IT MAKES IT SO, OH, I'M SORRY, OUR RECORDER HAS A TERRIBLE TIME TO THAT.
THAT'S MY COMMENT, JUST THAT BE CONSIDERED.
BUT I DO THINK THE ARCHITECTURE IS GREAT.
UM, JUST TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME KIND OF A, A NATURAL BARRIER BETWEEN PARKED CARS AND THE PARK ITSELF.
AND NOT ONLY IS YOUR COMMENT ON THE RECORD, THEY WERE HERE ALSO, THEY'LL ALSO GET A COPY OF, OF THE MINUTES AND EVERYTHING.
ERIC RUDD, 1 7 0 MONTEREY DRIVE.
UM, AS A WATERFORD VILLAGE AND MONTEREY DRIVE RESIDENT SINCE 1972, I OFFER THE FOLLOWING VIEWS OF THE PROPOSALS PRESENTED FOR THESE PROPERTIES OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS.
THIS ONE WOULD SEEM TO OFFER THE COMMUNITY THE BEST PROPOSAL TO DATE FROM A LAND USE AND ECONOMIC STANDPOINT.
HAVING SAID THAT, HOWEVER, UM, IF THERE'S A FEW THINGS I'M NOT A FAN OF, UH, THE TWO STORY PARKING DECK, UM, THE TREES MAY SHIELD IT IN THE SUMMER, BUT ONCE THE LEAVES COME OFF, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT, THAT PARKING DECK.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME MITIGATION, UH, TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
ALSO, THE CUT THROUGH FROM, UH, CORBIN'S MILLS TO THE SOUTHWEST SIDE, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS ENCOURAGING TRAFFIC TO FLOW THROUGH THERE.
WE'VE SEEN IT OVER THE YEARS WHEN, UM, THEY WERE PUT IN, WHEN THINGS CAME UP FROM DUBLIN ROAD, WHEN THEY PUT THE TUNNEL IN, UM, ANY POTENTIAL SHORTCUT, SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA FIND IT.
THEY'RE ALREADY ON SOUTH ON NORTHBOUND DUBLIN ROAD.
THEY'RE ALREADY CUTTING UP WATERFORD TO GO TO FRANKLIN STREET.
UH, WE NEED TO BEGIN LONG-TERM TRAFFIC SURVEYS ON MONTEREY WATERFORD FRANKLIN AND BRIDGE STREET, UH, TO DETERMINE THE REMEDIES FOR BACKUPS AT BRIDGE STREET TO ELIMINATE THE INCREASED TRAFFIC ON MONTEREY TO THE SOUTH.
FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WITH MONTEREY PARK AND WATERFORD RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, SPEEDING AND DRIVERS RUNNING THE STOP SIGNS AT CLOVER AND WATERFORD ARE A GREAT CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY OF CHILDREN AND ADULTS.
I THINK THE BUILDING LINES ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE CURBS AND THE SIDEWALKS AND NEED TO BE SET BACK FURTHER TO PRESENT
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A, PRESENT A BETTER SIGHT LINE AS YOU'RE LOOKING.UH, NORTH TO SOUTH WIDENING ALSO WOULD ALLOW PLACEMENT OF BENCHES FOR PEDESTRIAN SEATING.
UH, SIDEWALKS SHOULD BE WIDENED TO FOUR TO SIX FEET BETWEEN THE BOULEVARD STRIP AND THE STOREFRONTS TO ALLOW SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO PASS BACK AND FORTH.
CURRENT, SIDEWAYS, YOU CAN ONLY GET TWO PEOPLE SIDE BY SIDE.
UM, ON STREET PARKING SPACES ARE, ARE GONNA BE A PROBLEM, UM, WITH A FOUR TO SIX FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK THAT PUTS THE BUILDING LINES ABOUT 10 FEET BACK.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOK AT ON THE NORTH END AT MONTEREY, AT, AT BRIDGE STREET, THEY SHOW WITH THE ON STREET PARKING, IT'S 42 40, 42 FEET, 11 INCHES WIDE.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S GOT AN EXTRA LANE IN THERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS MONTEREY IS A SECONDARY IS CLASSED AS A SECONDARY STREET BY DUBLIN.
AND IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY 39 FEET WIDE.
UH, AT 42 11 CAR AVERAGE CAR'S ABOUT SIX FEET, MAYBE A PICKUP TRUCK'S 14.
SO NOW WHEN YOU ADD CARS ON EACH SIDE, YOU'RE DOWN TO 29 TO 31 FEET WIDE.
UM, THAT POSES A PROBLEM FOR FIRE AND RESCUE AND ALSO FOR THE SNOWPLOWS, UH, THE SOUTHBOUND MERGE LANE OR THE, YEAH, WHEN YOU TURN OFF OF BRIDGE STREET, THEY HAVE THAT MERGE LANE, UM, AT THE, AT THE NORTH END.
AND IT'S LIKE, THAT'S KIND OF USELESS.
I THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A THIRD LANE IN, YOU'D BE BETTER OFF PUTTING ON THE NORTHBOUND A RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE BOTTLENECK IS, IS IS TRAFFIC TRYING TO TURN, UM, NORTHBOUND MONTEREY ONTO WESTBOUND BRIDGE STREET.
AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION, IT'S NEVER ENFORCED.
YOU'RE AT THE MERCY OF PEOPLE LETTING YOU OUT.
I'VE WAITED AS LONG AS FIVE MINUTES TO GET OUT.
UM, I THINK PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, IF THEY GET READY TO TURN ONTO MONTEREY, SO IT'S BACKED UP, THEY'RE JUST GONNA TURN SOUTH, TAKE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.
UM, THE SHORT DECK, THE SHORT STACKING DISTANCE BETWEEN BRIDGE STREET AND THE NORTH, UH, ENTRANCES TO THE EAST AND WEST PARKING LOTS.
IF YOU HAVE TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA WANT TO TURN, UH, ACROSS OPPOSING TRAFFIC, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA BACK UP ANYTHING ELSE BEHIND THEM TOWARDS BRIDGE STREET.
UM, THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO AS A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE DISCUSSED, LIKE WE'RE ALL PRETTY BIG FANS OF THIS.
SO WE'VE, I'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ALMOST NINE YEARS AND SOME OF THE PLANS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH HAVE BEEN LESS THAN EXCITING, ESPECIALLY AS SOMEONE WHO BACKS UP TO THE CEMETERY.
AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THIS ALL THE TIME.
UM, THIS IS REALLY EXCITING FOR US.
THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THOSE.
SO KEITH ALREADY KIND OF DISCUSSED, ONE OF THEM IS THE RUNOFF THAT CREEK RUNS THROUGH MY BACKYARD AS WELL AS A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS.
I KNOW A LOT OF THEM DEAL WITH, UH, FLOODING.
I THANKFULLY DON'T HAVE TO, BUT, UM, IT DOES GET FULL VERY QUICKLY, ESPECIALLY ON LIKE A DECENTLY RAINY DAY.
UM, THE OTHER THING WOULD BE THAT JUST THE POTENTIAL FOR MAYBE LIKE PARKING PASSES OR SOME SORT OF LIKE ENFORCEMENT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT OUR PARKING IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE IS GONNA BE AVAILABLE.
'CAUSE ALL IT TAKES IS ONE MEMORIAL DAY CELEBRATION AND EVERY SINGLE STREET IS LINED WITH CARS AND I CAN BARELY GET IN MY DRIVEWAY.
SO IT, AND IT'S LIKE, IT, IT'S SUCH A NARROW STREET THAT I CAN'T BACK OUTTA MY DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IS IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF ENFORCEMENT, SOME SORT OF SOLUTION TO BEING ABLE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THAT PARKING AVAILABLE TO US AS WE LIVE THERE.
AND THEN LAST THING, UM, I HAVE FOUR CHILDREN.
THEY WALK TO THE PARK ALMOST EVERY DAY.
ANY SORT OF TRAFFIC CALMING COMING THROUGH THAT AREA, IF IT'S, I'VE SEEN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE LIKE SMALL ROUNDABOUTS.
IT'S ALMOST JUST LIKE AN INCONVENIENCE WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO AROUND IT.
SOMETHING JUST TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN OR THE SPEED BUMPS THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR SPEED HUMPS THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF THOSE WERE TO EXTEND UP MONTEREY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE GREAT JUST TO LIKE, KEEP PEOPLE AWARE, KEEP THEM LOOKING UP.
UH, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I'VE WALKED MY DOGS ACROSS THE STREET AT NIGHT AND ALMOST BEEN RUN OVER 'CAUSE THERE'S JUST SOMEBODY PLOWING THROUGH THERE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO
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MAKE COMMENT ON THIS CASE? OKAY.HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THE COURSE OF THE MEETING? THANK YOU MS. RA.
AND WE DID LEAVE A PRINTED COPY OF A COMMENT WE DID RECEIVE BEFORE.
CAN THE COMMISSION CONFIRM THAT THEY RECEIVED? WONDERFUL.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
WE WILL NOW OPEN TIME UP FOR THE COMMISSION TO DE DELIBERATE ON THIS CASE.
AND I'M GONNA DO THE SAME PING PONG.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO MR. GARVIN, AND THEN MR. CHINOOK, YOU'RE ON DECK.
GREAT, THANKS FOR PULLING THOSE UP.
SO I'LL KIND OF GO IN ORDER HERE.
UM, FOR NUMBER ONE, I AM SUPPORTIVE.
UM, I KNOW KIM, YOU'VE MENTIONED THE, UM, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY.
UM, I THINK GIVEN THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD SOLUTION.
UM, GOING BELOW THE STANDARD HEIGHT THAT WE'VE PRESCRIBED KEEPS THE DENSITY LOWER.
UM, I THINK THE USAGE ALSO KEEPS THE DENSITY LOWER, ESPECIALLY SINCE I DON'T SEE A CLEAR SOLUTION TO AN OUTLET FOR THE TRAFFIC.
I THINK THAT, UM, I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE SENTIMENTS I HEARD ABOUT TAKING AWAY PARKLAND FOR A ROAD.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANYONE'S WILLING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE CONTACT WITH THE DEVELOPER.
AND UH, I'M NOT REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE IMMINENT DOMAIN SUGGESTION EITHER.
SO, UM, SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS USAGE, UM, THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT.
I THINK MY CONCERN IS THAT KIND OF ROAD OR ALLEYWAY BEHIND BUILDING E UM, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIDE.
UH, I WOULD RATHER FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT SOMETHING WE DON'T NEED TO HIDE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC SUGGESTION FOR THAT.
SO THAT ACTUALLY GOES TOWARDS THE CIRCULATION QUESTION, REALLY.
YEAH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE PUBLIC SQUARE.
I LIKE THE OUTBUILDINGS THERE.
YEAH, I LIKE THE, UM, ILLUSION TOWARDS SMALL DETAILS.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP, UH, THE QUALITY OF FINISHING HIGH FOR THIS AREA.
UH, ESPECIALLY IF YOU INTEND TO ATTRACT RETAIL.
AND I THINK I ECHO THE COMMISSION'S CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NEED TO HAVE THIS FULL AND VIBRANT.
AND SO ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE THAT MORE APPEALING TO RETAIL IS GONNA BE NECESSARY.
UM, AND I THINK I HIT MY OTHER CONCERNS AS WELL.
UH, LEMME JUST TAKE A QUICK LOOK HERE 'CAUSE I WANTED TO, OH, I, I ALLUDED TO THIS.
I, I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD A LITTLE HEIGHT ON THE HIGH STREET SIDE.
I THINK THAT ADDS CONTINUITY ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE COMMENT ABOUT PARALLEL PARKING ON HIGH STREET TO SLOW TRAFFIC.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, THERE'S ENOUGH TRAFFIC.
I THINK IT'S SLOW THERE PRETTY OFTEN, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARY.
OH, I, YOU MENTIONED THE MASONRY FACADE ON THE BACK OF THE GARAGE.
I I THINK IT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE A TREATMENT THERE.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT AT THE STAGE WHERE YOU'VE GOTTA COMMIT TO ANYTHING, BUT FOR ME, THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG DEAL FACING THE, THE CEMETERY FOR PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH THAT SIDE.
THAT WAS FAST AND FURIOUS WITH THE NOTES, BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AGAIN, AND THANKS FOR THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE PUBLIC FOR SHOWING UP.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S, FOR ME, IT'S REALLY ENCOURAGING TO SEE THE PROCESS WORKING.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF, WE'VE SAT A HERE MULTIPLE TIMES LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY AND TO HEAR THE PUBLIC BE, OR THE COMMUNITY BE SO SUPPORTIVE OF, IT'S REALLY NEAT TO SEE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY NOT MUCH SUPPORT ON SOME PRIOR PROPOSALS.
SO IT'S, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST GREAT TO SHOW, UM, THE VALUE OF LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC AND HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT PAYS ATTENTION TO THE, THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
SO GENERALLY, I'M, I'M, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
I THINK, UM, MY CONCERN, OUR CONCERNS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO NOT BE A HUNDRED PERCENT BEHIND IT.
'CAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS BEHIND AC SITE ACCESS.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE LAND SWAP WITH THE CITY OF DUBLIN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, CONNECTION TO THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS BEFORE I CAN, YOU KNOW, BE A HUNDRED PERCENT BEFORE IT.
BUT IN GENERAL, I THINK IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
YOU CAN HEAR AGAIN FROM THE COMMUNITY'S PERSPECTIVE TOO.
UM, IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO HEAR, BUT UM, WITH SO MANY UNKNOWNS, WE STILL NEED TO, UH, SEEM LIKE WE HAVE A LOT TO, UH, TO STILL WORK THROUGH AND ABSOLUTELY NOT IN FAVOR OF TAKING PARKLAND AWAY TO ACCESS THE SITE.
OF COURSE, I THINK THAT'S, UH, GONNA BE CONSISTENT UP HERE.
UM, AND I BROUGHT UP TWO, AND I KNOW WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE MIXED USE.
IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO, AS, AS WE KIND OF MOVE TO THE NEXT ITERATION TO NOT BE SO RELIANT ON RETAIL, UM, AND, AND MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME RESIDENTIAL AS, AS DISCUSSED, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER, YOU
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KNOW, ACTIVATION OF THE STREET SCAPE.I THINK BRINGING OUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT VERY, VERY COMMUNITY FEEL WITH YOU, YOU, IF YOU CAN PUT TABLES OUTSIDE FOR DINING OR WHATEVER, I JUST THINK IF YOU JUST, THERE'S A REALLY LOT OF REALLY NEAT OPPORTUNITIES TO REALLY MAKE IT FEEL PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO LOVE TO LOVE TO KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IN THE, IN THE NEXT ITERATION AS WE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONLY OTHER QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF THINK THROUGH IS THE, THE SERVICES WHERE YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH INTERNAL FO I MEAN, YOU GOT THIS, THIS CENTRAL AREA AND YOU'VE GOT RETAIL THAT'S GONNA NEED SERVICE ENTRANCES AND, UH, RESTAURANTS THAT ARE GONNA NEED DUMPSTERS AND ACCESS LIKE THAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW IT LOOKS FROM INSIDE THE SITE.
NOT, NOT AS MUCH AS IT, JUST AS IMPORTANT AS HOW IT LOOKS FROM, FROM OUTSIDE TO SIZE.
AND I, AND I KNOW THAT'S THE NEXT ITERATION, BUT JUST FELT THE, THE NEED TO SHARE THAT.
SO, UH, BUT GENERALLY, YEAH, I, I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S GREAT.
UM, BUT WE, WE, WE HAVE A BIT TO WORK THROUGH STILL, SO THANK YOU.
MR. DASHER, I ECHO A LOT OF, UH, JAMIE'S COMMENTS.
I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE, THE LAYOUT.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF MIXED USE AND I, I'M NOT TIED TO RESIDENTIAL OR OFFICE, BUT IT FEELS LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING ELSE THERE.
JUST IF YOU'RE PUTTING EVERYTHING WITH RETAIL, I'M, I'M NOT CERTAIN.
WHILE IT MAY WORK FOR A LITTLE BIT LONG TERM, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT'S GONNA GET THE, THE CONTINUITY YOU WANT IN THE AREA.
I, I, I AGREE WITH DAN, THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, THAT BACK ROAD.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT CAN BE DONE.
I ALSO SHARE JAMIE'S CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE SERVICE PIECES GETTING TO, IN AND OUT.
FROM UTILITY PERSPECTIVE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE A STRETCH FOR SOME OF THE BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY THE RESTAURANTS NOT BEING ABLE, OR EVEN SOME OF JUST THE, UH, THE POTENTIAL RETAILER OR WHAT HAVE YOU GETTING OUT TO DUMPSTERS.
IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE IT, IT COULD BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME MORE IMAGINATION THAT CAN BE DONE IN THAT AREA.
THE ONE THING IN, IN MY CONCERN ON THIS, THIS WHOLE PIECE IS THAT IS THE TRAFFIC.
AND THAT WAS THE PRECIPITATOR FOR MY FIRST QUESTION TO THE CITY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY WANNA GET INTO IT NOW, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SIGNIFICANT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
AND WHETHER IT'S ANOTHER ROAD, I'M WORRIED THAT THAT'S GOING TO, I THINK WITHOUT HAVING ANOTHER ACCESS ROAD, IT'S GONNA CREATE SO MUCH TRAFFIC ON MONTEREY THAT IT'S GONNA BE UNBEARABLE FOR THE RESIDENTS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH.
SO I'M ALSO WORRIED ABOUT PUTTING A LIGHT AT THAT AREA IF THAT BRIDGE STREET STACKS UP SO BADLY EVERY DAY FROM LIKE THREE TO SEVEN, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NON-USABLE AND I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA MAKE IT WORSE WITH ANOTHER LIGHT.
SO I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT CAN BE DONE IN THAT AREA, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT, SO WITHOUT A LIGHT.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY'S GONNA BRING BACK, UH, WITH, WITH THAT REGARD.
BUT AGAIN, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE.
MS. HARDER, UH, THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD THIS EVENING AND, UH, WITH A VERY NICE PRESENTATION.
I AGREE WITH, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT MANY OF THE POINTS THAT THEY MADE.
UM, I ALSO WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS, UM, SUCH AN IMPORTANT AREA, AND I KIND OF TOUCHED UPON IT JUST A TOUCH WHERE EVERYTHING SHOULD BE THOUGHT ABOUT IT BEING WALKABLE AND THE PLACES THAT YOU'RE COMING AND WHO IS GOING TO BE COMING.
AND THAT COULD BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT SLEW OF PEOPLE.
IT MAY BE A VISITOR, IT MAY BE SOMEONE COMING FROM OLD DUBLIN, IT MAY BE NEIGHBORS AND KIDS AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT.
SO, AND JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT WALKABILITY THAT WE ALL FALL INTO THAT AREA, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.
UM, AND, UM, UH, KEEP MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS WHEN YOU'RE MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
INVITE THE CITY TO COME TO HAVING EVERYBODY TOGETHER IS, IS HELPFUL.
AND, UM, I, I LIKE THE IDEA WITH THE NEIGHBORS OR TALKING ABOUT IF THERE'S AN ENTRANCE OR A SPECIAL WAY TO SHOW THAT THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU'RE IN.
I, IT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL THAT WAY AS WELL TOO.
UM, I GUESS AT THIS POINT ALSO, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, SO TO ME THERE, JUST WALKING THE AREA AND SO FORTH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S GOOD BARRIERS WITH TREES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT BE, UM, YOU KNOW, COGNIZANT OF THAT WITH THE PARK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, UM, I'M NOT IN IN FAVOR OF, OF MOVING THE PARK,
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UM, ANYWHERE OF THAT SORT AS EITHER.I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING HOW THE TRAFFIC STUDY TURNS OUT, UM, BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THE LIGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL OR SOMETHING THERE, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT OUT.
AND, YOU KNOW, UP THE ROAD IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, UM, WITH FRANCE AND SO FORTH, THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT IN THAT WHOLE AREA WITH THAT TRAFFIC STUDY COMING OUT.
UM, COULD BE VERY, UM, UH, IMPORTANT.
WHEN YOU ARE PLANNING THIS, THINK ABOUT THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU HAVE IN, UM, IN THE HISTORIC AREA.
AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S ADDING SOME BRICK, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, WALKWAYS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT FOR THAT, THAT CONTINUATION.
AND I DO LIKE YOUR THOUGHT, HOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT WHEN YOU ARE WALKING UP, THAT THERE IS THAT COMPONENT THERE WHERE, OKAY, WHAT DO I DO NOW? AND NOW IT CAN, IT CAN BE THAT, THAT THERE TOO.
I APPRECIATE THE TIME, UM, THAT WE'VE HAD THIS EVENING.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.
I FEEL LIKE WE KNOW YOU NOW,
AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THOSE PROPOSALS DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD.
SO WE COULDN'T LIKE, HELP, YOU KNOW, MOVE IT ALONG IN, IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND I, I FEEL SO GOOD TONIGHT TO HEAR FROM YOU THAT YOU'VE MET WITH THE DEVELOPER.
YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S A PLAN THAT, THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH.
AND THIS COMMISSION'S GONNA WORK VERY HARD TO KIND OF IMPLEMENT SOMETHING THAT REALLY FITS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO I FEEL REALLY, UM, GOOD ABOUT THAT.
AND AGAIN, THE ENGAGEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY IN THIS PROCESS IS WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT.
SO, UM, REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR CONTINUED INVOLVEMENT, CONTINUED SUPPORT, AND WE'RE GONNA BE, AGAIN, TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT TO FIT IN THE SITE.
AS YOU KNOW, IT SAT VACANT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO SEE SOMETHING HERE THAT MADE IT A PRODUCTIVE PIECE OF LAND IN THE CITY.
UM, I I, I REALLY LIKE THIS PLAN A LOT.
I, I OPENED UP MY PACKET AND I WENT, WOW, THIS IS THE RIGHT, IT'S THE RIGHT FIT.
SO I THINK THE LAYOUT, I WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE CIRCULATION SYSTEM.
I THINK IT CIRCULATES JUST FINE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TECHNICAL THINGS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT.
YEAH, WE GOTTA WORK ALL THAT OUT.
BUT I THINK HOW THIS SITE, UH, FUNCTIONS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
I THINK THE LITTLE PARK IN THE MIDDLE IS LIKE, AGAIN, IT'S THE PLACEMAKING PART THAT WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR.
SO WE'VE GOT BRIDGE STREET AS A CORRIDOR PLACE, AND THEN WE HAVE THIS INTERNAL PLACE.
AND I THINK IT'S REALLY WONDERFUL AND I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE SPIRIT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO EVOKE FITS IN TOTALLY INTO THE SPIRIT OF THIS PART OF DUBLIN.
SO I THINK YOU'RE ON THE, THE RIGHT APPROACH.
I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO THE IDEA THAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN SAYS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A MIX OF USES.
UM, IT DOES SUGGEST THERE'S RESIDENTIAL.
WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE.
I HEARD BOX CARS ALL LINED UP, LIKE THEY DON'T WANNA SEE THAT TYPE OF HOUSING, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOUSING THAT'S ABOVE A SHOP OR SOMETHING.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING HOUSING, BUT I THINK OFFICE IS STILL A REALLY VIABLE OPPORTUNITY, NOT THE BIG OFFICE THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE SMALL LOCAL ENTREPRENEUR THAT'S LOOKING FOR A SPACE.
AND I THINK, UM, THAT THE BRIDGE STREET FRONTAGE NEEDS TO BE A, HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SCALE TO IT.
SO I THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO HAVE LIKE TWO STORIES.
AND THAT SECOND STORY'S NOT GONNA BE RETAIL, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, AND THEN I STILL THINK THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IN FRONT OF THE PARKING GARAGE IS LOGICAL TO ADD ANOTHER STORY, BUT IT'S GONNA SCREEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA GO FURTHER TO SCREEN THAT PARKING.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PARAPET WALL THAT COMES UP, BUT PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA COME.
AND I, I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE A DETAIL THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT VERY CLOSELY, BUT THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.
SO I COULD SEE THAT KIND OF MIX OF ONE AND TWO STORIES, UH, GET SOME, UH, MIX OF USES BY INTRODUCING OFFICE, MAYBE RESIDENTIAL LEAVE THAT OPEN.
BUT, UM, I'M, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND, AND SEEING WHAT HAPPENS.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, UM, I ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
I AM, UM, PLEASED WITH THE PROJECT.
I'M PLEASED WITH THE COMMUNICATION THAT'S HAPPENED THUS FAR.
I ECHO MR. WE WITH THE, UH, LITTLE BIT MORE OOMPH ALONG THE BRIDGE STREET AND APPLICANT MENTIONED THAT EARLIER.
I ALSO ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MULTIPLE COMMISSIONERS WITH THE MIXED USE COMPONENT.
UH, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME, STAFF SPENDS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME ON THOSE COMMUNITY PLANS AND THEY ONLY COME AROUND ABOUT ONCE EVERY DECADE.
AND SO DISREGARDING THAT REQUEST, THAT REQUIREMENT FOR MIXED USE IN THIS PARTICULAR
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PLACE, AND IT CAN BE CREATIVE MR. WAY MENTIONED A COUPLE OF CREATIVE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS.UM, YOU HEARD FROM MULTIPLE COMMISSIONERS THAT IT, MAYBE NOT SPECIFICALLY RESIDENTIAL, BUT SOME TYPE OF MIXED USE.
UM, BUT I DO WANNA TOUCH ON, UH, SO THAT WAS ALL DIRECTED AT THE APPLICANT.
I, I DO WANNA TOUCH ON, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE, WE LIVE HERE TOO.
WE SPEND EVERY THURSDAY NIGHT HERE.
WELL, NOT EVERY THURSDAY NIGHT, BUT FEELS LIKE EVERY THURSDAY NIGHT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO JOIN US ANYTIME.
BUT ONE OF THE NICE THINGS YOU HEARD STAFF TALK ABOUT BRIDGE STREET, THERE'S A STUDY UNDERWAY.
CITY OF DUBLIN IS INCREDIBLY CONSCIENTIOUS ON HOW WE DO DEVELOPMENT.
WE ALSO ARE NEVER GOING TO PUT A PROJECT IN THAT CREATES A SAFETY HAZARD FOR OUR, OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES WITH DEVELOPMENT IS DEVELOPMENT BRINGS MOVEMENT.
AND SO EVERY TIME THERE IS AN APPLICANT WHO COMES FORWARD, THERE'S DISCUSSION WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, THERE'S DISCUSSION WITH MOBILITY, THERE'S DISCUSSION WITH TRANSPORTATION, THERE'S DISCUSS DISCUSSION WITH PUBLIC WORKS.
AND SO THE CONCERNS THAT YOU BROUGHT FORWARD THIS EVENING CENTER AROUND, UH, QUITE A FEW OF THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC BOTH ALONG BRIDGE STREET AND WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT MAINTAINING OUR OPEN SPACE, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, WATER MITIGATION.
ALL OF THOSE ITEMS COME NATURALLY WITH DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.
AND SO EACH ONE OF THOSE CITY DEPARTMENTS WILL BE LOOKING AT THIS FROM PUBLIC SAFETY THROUGH ALL OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
AND SO THE NICE THING IS, IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT AND TURN LIKE, LIKE, UH, EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS TO, HEY, WE WANT A TRAFFIC STUDY.
WE HEARD A COUPLE OF THE PEOPLE, MAYBE JUST ONE GENTLEMAN TALK ABOUT, UH, INVITING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OUT TO WATCH WHAT YOU SEE AS RESIDENTS.
UNFORTUNATELY A BLACK AND WHITE CHANGES BEHAVIOR.
AND SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE WHAT RESIDENTS SEE YOU GUYS LIVE THERE ALL THE TIME.
THEY'RE THERE AND BEHAVIOR CHANGES.
SO, UH, THAT'S THE ENCOURAGING PART.
I CERTAINLY HOPE WITH COMPANY THAT, THAT THIS CONTINUES.
LIKE YOU HEARD FROM, I BELIEVE EVERY RESIDENT WHO SPOKE THIS IS THE BEST APPLICATION THEY'VE SEEN.
UH, WE LOVE THAT YOU SEE THE VALUE IN DUBLIN.
WE SEE THE VALUE IN DUBLIN AND YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE WE'RE PRETTY PICKY CHOOSY ABOUT OUR PARTNERS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, CITY COUNCIL, WHEN I WAS INTERVIEWED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, UH, THEY SAID, DUBLIN IS PATIENT.
WE WILL WAIT FOR THE RIGHT APPLICATION.
AND SO I THINK THAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT DEMONSTRATED THIS EVENING AND WE BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE THE RIGHT PARTNER, AT LEAST AT THIS PHASE IN, IN TIME.
SO WE ARE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGED BY THIS APPLICATION AND BY YOUR COMMUNICATION WITH US AND WITH THE CITY AS A WHOLE, INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY.
UH, THIS IS A NON-BINDING ITEM SO WE DO NOT VOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT MR. WAY, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE A COMMENT YOU WANNA SAY, I, THERE WAS JUST ONE THING THAT I, WE STARTED OFF TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE BLOCK E OR BUILDING E AND THE CUT THROUGH AND THAT STAFF IS, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA LOSE THAT.
I AGREE THAT THAT BLOCK NEEDS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A CUT THROUGH.
YOU'VE GOT 42 PARKING SPACES BACK THERE THAT HAVE TO FIND THEIR WAY INTO THE CENTER AND IT'S A LONG WALK IF YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
SO I WOULD BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF LOOKING AT THAT BLOCK AND PROVIDING SOME KIND OF A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION THROUGH IT.
THANK YOU MR. AGAIN DETAILS, BUT WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IT AND I WANTED TO REINFORCE THAT AND THAT WOULD LIKELY COME UP AT OUR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT.
SO IF YOU COULD BE THINKING ABOUT THAT ALSO.
ALRIGHT, ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR BEING HERE.
THANK YOU COMMUNITY MEMBERS, NEIGHBORS FOR BEING HERE AS WELL.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
UM, IF WE COULD PAUSE, WE WILL INVITE MR. ALEXANDER BACK INTO THE ROOM.
RESTROOM? RESTROOM BREAK? YEAH, A SECOND.
WE'LL TAKE FIVE MINUTES FOR A RESTROOM BREAK.
ALRIGHT, WELCOME BACK LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WE WILL CONTINUE ON, UH, WITH THE, THE FINAL TWO CASES, UH, BOTH FOR CROWN INEOS REZONING AND AMENDED FINAL FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN CASES 25
[Case #25-031Z & Case #25-019AFDP]
DASH 0 3 1 Z AND 25 19 AFT P.THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF REZONING, UH, THAT APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRE SITE FROM PCD PLANNED COMMERCE DISTRICT PERIMETER CENTER TO PUD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT CROWN CAMPUS, AND APPROVAL OF AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR EXTERIOR BUILDING RENOVATIONS
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AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 6,400 PERIMETER LOOP.
UH, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A PRESENTATION? PERFECT.
WE WELCOME YOU TO THE MICROPHONE IT IS NOT CURRENTLY ON.
SO IF YOU COULD PRE PLEASE PRESS THE BUTTON AND WAIT FOR THE GREEN LIGHT AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS VINCE DESTEFANO AND I AM, UH, ARCH ALL ARCHITECT IS AT 49 EAST THIRD AVENUE IN COLUMBUS HERE.
SO FIRST OFF, LEMME MAKE SURE THIS THING WORKS.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING FOR HEARING THIS CASE.
SO WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU TO TALK ABOUT BUILDING MODIFICATIONS TO THE CROWN INEOS BUILDING CURRENT, WELL PREVIOUSLY THE CROWN KIA DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THE MERCEDES AND THEIR CDRJ STORE.
SO AS DISCUSSED, IT'S ON PREMIER LOOP DRIVE RIGHT OFF OF UM, 1 61 33, UH, BETWEEN AVERY ROAD AND THEN THE MAG DEVELOPMENT IS FURTHER TO THE EAST THERE.
SO THIS BUILDING IS SORT OF THE CENTER OF THEIR CAMPUS AND EASILY SEEN RIGHT OFF THAT, THAT EXIT OFF OF ROUTE 33 ONTO AVERY.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, PROPOSE HERE FOR THIS AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING FACADE.
SO YOU'LL SEE IT IN A, IN A FURTHER SLIDE HERE, BUT THE SITE PLAN IS WE'RE, WE'RE MODIFYING VERY, VERY LITTLE OF THE SITE JUST SORT OF READ PARCELING OUT THE CONCRETE OF THAT DISPLAY RIGHT BEFORE THE BUILDING ENTRANCE AS WELL AS INTRODUCING THE NEW CANOPY ELEMENT TO CELEBRATE THAT ENTRY AND PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF MORE SHADE AND COVER FOR THE BUILDING INTERIOR WITH THE NEW STOREFRONT.
UM, SO HERE SHOWING THAT EXISTING VERSUS THE NEW PROPOSED.
SO THERE'S AN EXISTING SORT OF SAWTOOTH CURTAIN WALL GLAZING SYSTEM ON THAT FRONT SOUTH ENTRY.
WE'RE GOING TO A MORE CONVENTIONAL FLAT FRONTED FACADE, UM, GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM IN THAT SHOWROOM FOR VEHICLES AS WELL AS THEN PULLING THIS, THIS CANOPY OUT AND CELEBRATING THAT ENTRY POINT THAT'S ON THE 45 ON THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER.
WANTED TO MAKE MENTION OF SCREENING.
SO CURRENTLY THERE IS A PARAPET THERE AT THAT FRONT EDGE THAT COVERS AND SCREENS THOSE EXISTING UNITS.
WITH OUR NEW EXPANSION CONNECTING THAT ROOF TO THIS NEW CANOPY, WE WOULD BE REMOVING THAT PARAPET WALL BUT COMING BACK IN WITH A SCREEN THAT WOULD BE MOUNTED AT THE SAME HEIGHT, PROVIDING THE SAME AMOUNT OF SCREEN EDGE.
SO THOSE UNITS ARE NOT SEEN AT ALL.
SO A FEW VIEWS OF THIS BUILDING.
SO HERE, THIS CANOPY AND, AND JUST DISCUSSED EARLIER IN THE YEAR, I THINK IN JANUARY IN FORMAL PRESENTATION, THIS CANOPY WAS A LOT DEEPER.
UM, AFTER ACTUALLY SITTING DOWN WITH A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, HE ADVISED US TO, TO MAKE IT CONSTRUCTIBLE AND SO IT GOT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE BUILDING.
UM, IT'S STILL PROVIDING ABOUT SEVEN TO EIGHT FOOT OF COVERAGE THERE OFF THE BUILDING FRONTAGE.
I THINK IT WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 20 FEET.
UM, AND, AND THE ONLY SUPPORTS ARE THE, THE A-FRAME THAT SORT OF CELEBRATES THE ENTRY IN TOWARDS THAT, THAT MAIN ENTRY INTO THE SHOWROOM.
AND THIS IS THAT OTHER SIDE, SO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SHADED BY THE TREES AS YOU'RE COMING OFF OF 1 61 33, THAT, THAT WEST ENTRANCE IS GONNA BE THE MAIN ENTRY FOR THE, UM, CUSTOMERS COMING INTO THE SITE.
SO WE'VE PROPOSED TWO OPTIONS AS HOW WE COULD LOOK TO DRESS THE BUILDING UP HERE.
SO OPTION ONE ON THE LEFT IS WHAT WE CAME ORIGINALLY WITH THE INFORMAL REVIEW.
UPON HEARING FEEDBACK, WE WANTED TO COME BACK WITH TWO OPTIONS HERE FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER.
THE FIRST OPTION IS PAINTING THE ENTIRE BUILDING BLACK.
SO THIS IS AN EXISTING MASONRY BUILDING WE'D GO IN AND SO ALL THE FRONT IS GOING TO BE BLACK CURTAIN WALL, BLACK METAL PANEL.
AND THEN AS IT TRANSITIONS TO SORT OF KEEP THAT COHESIVE PAINT THE EXISTING MASONRY BLACK, THE SECOND OPTION IS BEING, UH, LESS INVASIVE WITH THAT BLACK PAINTING SORT OF ONLY TOUCHING THAT FRONT THAT PRESENTS TOWARDS THE STREET LEAVING THE REST OF THE MASONRY THAT'S ON THE SITE TO CONTINUE TO MATCH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO WE'D ONLY SORT OF PAINT THE FRONT 45 SORT OF BEVELED EDGE AND THEN THE SERVICE ENTRY THAT IS SORT OF THAT SOUTHWEST UM, MASS THAT THERE TO BE CONSISTENT AS THAT WALL WILL BE SEEN BY CUSTOMERS UPON ENTRY.
SO THESE ARE ELEVATIONS SHOWING THAT.
SO THIS FIRST SET OF ELEVATIONS IS SHOWING THE, THE FULLY PAINTED PROPOSAL.
AND THEN THE SECOND SET IS SHOWING THE, THE PARTIALLY PAINTED PROPOSAL, INCLUDING THAT SERVICE RECEPTION MODULE.
UM, I KNOW THERE WAS, UH, PLENTY OF CONVERSATION DURING OUR INFORMAL REVIEW ABOUT THE MATERIALS PRESENTED.
SO MOST OF THESE ARE, UM, IN CONCERT WITH WHAT THE ZONING TEXT WAS WAS ALREADY SORT OF STATING FOR SUB AREA A AS WE SORT OF USE THAT AS THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE ZONING TEXTURE.
SUB AREA B, WHICH THIS PARCEL IS ON.
THE ONE THAT I THINK WAS ADDED INTO THE ZONING TEXT IS OUR, UM, THAT WOOD PANEL.
SO THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT'S A HIGH PRESSURE LAMINATE.
IT IS, I THINK IT'S AS DESCRIBED IN THE, IN THE REPORT A, UM, VINYL.
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A SAMPLE OF IT OVER HERE.IF I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO, I CAN BRING THAT UP TO YOU GUYS TO SORT OF SEE, FEEL, AND TOUCH.
IT IS A, IT'S A PLASTIC MATERIAL.
IT IS, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF RESEARCH LONG WARRANTIES ON IT.
IT'S GOING TO WITHSTAND, IT'S NOT GOING TO, IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR VINYL HOUSE SIDING THAT'S GOING TO DETERIORATE OVER TIME NEED TO BE REPLACED.
IT'S GONNA HOLD ITS, UM, COLOR SHEEN AND, AND FINISH.
UM, AND WE DID WANT TO POINT OUT, SO TALKING BACK TO THE BUILDING PAINTING, UM, MOST RECENTLY OVER AT EASTON WE'VE COM UH, COMPLETED A PROJECT WITH A, A SEPARATE CLIENT, UM, SIMILAR, UH, CONTRACTOR GROUP AND DEVELOPMENT GROUP ON WHAT WAS FORMALLY, UH, UH, INFINITY DEALERSHIP.
SO THEY HAVE A SIMILAR, UH, FACADE.
IT'S, IT WAS ALL MASONRY, UH, BRICK AND LIMESTONE.
AND WE HAD WENT THROUGH IN ORDER TO ADHERE TO MERCEDES-BENZ BRAND STANDARDS, WE WENT THROUGH AND PAINTED THAT.
SO WE USED THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, SORT OF AS THIS CAN STILL TURN OUT LOOKING COHESIVE TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE FABRIC AROUND IT WHILE SORT OF BRINGING UP THE, THE LEVEL TO BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE MODERN.
UM, AND IN CONCERT WITH THE NEW BUILDING MATERIALS WE'RE INTRODUCING.
UM, WE WANNA MAKE A A BRIEF STOP HERE ON THE LANDSCAPING WHERE, LIKE I MENTIONED, SITE WISE WE'RE BEING AS MINIMALLY INVASIVE AS WE CAN.
ANYTHING THAT CAN REMAIN EXISTING IS STAYING EXISTING.
UM, IF WE CAN RELOCATE GOOD, HEALTHY, YOU KNOW, PLANTS AND TREES, WE WILL, UH, IN THE FEW AREAS THAT WE ARE, UM, ADDING, UH, ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING HERE, IT'S THE, THE WEST AND SOUTH RIGHT OFF THE, UM, SORT OF BUILDING ENTRIES.
WE'RE ADDING NEW PLANTINGS THERE AND THEN THAT NORTH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NORTHWEST HERE? SOUTHWEST IN UH, ACTUAL, UM, GEOGRAPHY I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE THAT, UM, IS WE'RE ADDING A FEW MORE, UH, PLANTED TREES THERE.
UM, WITH THE INTENTION THAT THERE WOULD BE THE ABILITY, UH, FOR THOSE THAT HAVE NOT SEEN ONE OF THESE VEHICLES ON THE ROAD.
THE AN INEOS IS, UM, PLAYING OFF A LAND ROVER DEFENDER, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE LIKE 1980S VERSIONS OF THAT.
SO THEY, UH, WOULD INTEND TO DISPLAY ONE OF THOSE VEHICLES 'CAUSE THAT'S A, A MOUNTED PIECE OF EARTH, THEY WOULD WANT TO DISPLAY ONE OR TWO OF THOSE VEHICLES OUT THERE.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO COMPLETELY COVER IT WITH GREENAGE, BUT WE DO WANT TO ALLOW THERE TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF SPOT FOR A VEHICLE TO BE FRAMED BY THE, THE FOLIAGE.
AND THEN THE BUILDING MOUNTED SIGNAGE HERE WE'RE, UM, PRESENTING JUST THE, THE WORD MARK.
UM, TOTAL HEIGHT OF ONE FOOT SIX 18 INCHES, TOTAL LENGTH OF 20 INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, UH, FAIRLY STANDARD AND SORT OF CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON ELSEWHERE ON THIS CAMPUS AND A NIGHT RENDER FOR, UM, THERE WAS A FEW QUESTIONS THROUGH OUR PROCESS WITH PLANNING AND UM, UM, STAFF ABOUT THE, THE WOOD MATERIAL THAT THE, THE VINYL THAT WE ARE PROPOSING AND SORT OF THE COLORATION OF THAT.
THIS IS SOMETHING, WHILE IT'S NOT, UH, SPECIFICALLY REQUIRED BY THE MY MANUFACTURER, IT IS, UM, SEEN AS SORT OF A, A COMMON PLAY SORT OF THE DARK WITH THEN SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT EARTH THROWN TO, TO BRING IN THE WARMTH TO NOT JUST COMPLETELY MAKE IT BE DARK AND MOODY ALL THE TIME.
SO WE'VE SEEN THIS ON A FEW OTHER DEALERSHIPS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AS, AS PRECEDENTS AND THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD PLAY HERE AS WELL TO SORT OF BRING IT TO THIS, THIS SPOT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO STAFF? MR. PATAR HERE.
UH, THIS IS BEING REZONED FROM A SUB AREA OF PERIMETER CENTER TO BE PART OF THE CROWN, UH, PLAZA, UH, PUD.
AND IT WAS, UH, PLANNED THAT WAY FROM WHEN THE, UH, ADJACENT BUILDING TO THE WEST WAS, UH, REZONED AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS ALWAYS EXPECTED.
AND WITH THAT, THERE IS SOME REVISION TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT TO INCLUDE SUB AREA B, UH, PRETTY MUCH, UH, IDENTICAL TO SUB AREA A WITH A FEW MINOR EXCEPTIONS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE SUB AREAS, UH, ON THE MAP.
EVENTUALLY, WE EXPECT THE, UH, ONE TO THE EAST CHRYSLER TO ALSO BECOME SUBAR C.
YOU SAW THIS APPLICATION INFORMALLY BACK IN JANUARY, AS MR. TANOS SAID, AND, UH, THINK THE COMMISSION SUPPORTED IT AT THE TIME.
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WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT MATERIALS AND SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE IN A SECOND.UM, SO YOU SAW THE DETAILS ABOUT THE BUILDING STAFF IS, UH, SUPPORTING OPTION B, UH, OR OPTION TWO.
UM, JUST BECAUSE THE REST OF THE CAMPUS HAS THAT, UH, LIGHT BRICK, UH, CHARACTER IN INCLUDING THE BUILDING TO THE WEST WHERE THE MERCEDES DEALERSHIP IS LOCATED, THEY HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF TREATMENT WHERE THE FRONT FACADE HAS THE BLACK ELEMENTS IN THE REST OF THE BUILDING IS THE 10 BRICK.
SO WE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING OPTION TWO.
THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT TEXT DOES ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE, WHICH IS AT 21 FEET, UH, ABOVE GRADE CODE, UH, LIMITS IT TO 15.
BUT WE DO THINK THIS, UH, COMPLIMENTS THE ARCHITECTURE.
AND THE OTHER CHANGE THAT, UH, IS BEING PROPOSED IN THE TEXT IS THAT RIGHT NOW IT REQUIRES ANY CHANGE TO THE SIGNAGE, EVEN IF IT'S, UH, VERY SIMPLE TO COME BEFORE YOU.
AND THE, UH, SUGGESTED CHANGES FOR BOTH SUB AREAS, A AND B WOULD ALLOW ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW IF THERE'S NO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DO PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE ELSE WE THINK THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND WE RECOMMEND, UH, THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO COUNCIL OF THE REZONING AND THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE FINAL, THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN CONTINGENT ON THAT REZONING, UM, ADDING THAT LANGUAGE ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS FOR THE SIGNAGE AND CONTINUE TO COORDINATE WITH THE ENGINEERING DIVISION.
ALRIGHT, UH, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR EITHER THE STAFF OR APPLICANT, MR. CHINNOCK, I HAVE A FEW
UM, IF WE COULD PAUSE, COULD I HAVE YOU TAKE THE BOARD TO MR. PETAR AND HE'LL CIRCULATE THAT JUST AS WE'RE TALKING MATERIALS.
SO THE RESPA, IS IT HPL? IT'S NOT A VINYL AND WE KEEP REFERRING TO IT AS VINYL IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND YOU REFER TO IT'S, IT'S NOT A VI AND I KNOW YOU SAY THE VIEWER UP HERE AND PEOPLE GET ALL BENT UNDER SHAPE TRUST WAS A REALLY NICE MATERIAL.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, IT'S NOT VINYL, IT'S HPL.
RIGHT? CAN WE AGREE TO THAT? AND I THINK THE STAFF REPORT HAS IT AS VINYL, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CORRECT PERCENT CLEAR THAT IT IS NOT A VINYL, IT'S NOT A VINYL.
AND, AND FOR THOSE OF US NOT ARCHITECTS, CAN YOU DEFINE HPL? HIGH PRESSURE LAMINATE.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION HAD MATERIAL, SO THE D-M-I-A-P-O ONE HORIZONTAL WALL PANEL, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT ON HERE? WHAT MATERIAL IS THAT? IT'S A, IT, I WOULD SAY STANDARDLY REFERRED TO AS A CORRUGATED METAL PANEL.
UM, AND THEN A QUESTION ON THE PAINT.
SO I I I ACTUALLY, I'M IN, OH, I'M NOT GONNA, SORRY, I'M DELIBERATING THE, THE, THE, THE TRANSITION, I GUESS.
CAN WE CALL THAT ONE UP? 'CAUSE I, I THINK I LIKE THE SOLUTION WHERE WE WENT BECAUSE I, I DO AGREE THAT THERE'S OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA THAT NEEDS TO RELATE TO AND PAINTING IT BLACK IS GONNA REALLY NOT FIT IN WITH THE REST OF THE CAMPUS.
COULD IS THERE OTHER TRANSITIONS? LIKE, I MEAN, TRANSITIONING ON THE 45 IS AN ISSUE FOR ME BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, PAINT TRANSITIONS LIKE THAT WHERE THERE'S NOT A TERMINATION POINT IS, IS ROUGH.
SO HAD, HAD YOU GUYS EXPLORED OTHER OPTIONS OR OTHER EVEN BRICK PAINTING OR OTHER BRICK COLORS OR, I DON'T KNOW,
SO I THINK WITH THIS OPTION TWO, UM, WHAT WE WERE, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO EXPERIENCE IS WHAT YOU WOULD EXPERIENCE AS A CUSTOMER, SORT OF ONE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING OR TWO AS YOU'RE DRIVING PAST IT ON, ON 1 61 OR 33 RIGHT THERE.
UH, YOU'RE REALLY ONLY GONNA SEE THAT THAT FRONT PORTION, THAT EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS, IS FAIRLY ONE CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE THAT'S SHARED WITH CHRYSLER.
THERE'S A DENSER TREE LINE THERE.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T CATCH THAT ONE AS, AS MUCH.
SO WHILE THAT TRANSITION ON THE 45 ISN'T FANTASTIC, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN AT LEAST AN OKAY ONE.
IF THAT ONE'S NOT SUPPORTED, WE ARE IN INTRODUCING AS PART OF THAT, THAT CANOPY ELEMENT.
THERE'S A VERTICAL, IT'S SORT OF HARD TO SEE IN THESE RENDERINGS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT THERE'S A VERTICAL ELEMENT THAT ALIGNS WITH THE EDGE OF OUR PARAPET WALL WHERE THAT COULD BE THE BRICK AND WE CAN HAVE STANDARD BRICK BEYOND THAT.
IT, IT WOULDN'T BE ON A CORNER, BUT THERE WOULD BE OUR TRES PANEL AND A METAL PANEL ON THIS SIDE.
AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE WOULD BE BRICK.
SO IT WOULD BE A TRANSITION MATERIAL WITHIN ON THE SAME PLANE AS YOU'RE, THAT THAT'D BE REALLY, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE HELPFUL.
AND THEN DID YOU CONSIDER CLA DOING, DOING
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MORE OF THE METAL, THE BLACK CORRUGATED METAL CLADDING ON THE BRICK? OR IS THAT NOT AN OPTION? WE, WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT BRIEFLY.UM, THERE, THERE'S, WITHOUT GOING INTO, UM, TOO MUCH SORT OF EXTENSIVE REFRAMING OF THE BUILDING, EITHER TRYING TO PULL THE BRICK OFF OF IT OR, OR STAPLE THIS ON TOP OF THAT STRUCTURE, WE WANTED TO KEEP THE, THE BUILDING INTEGRITY AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE THROUGHOUT CONSTRUCTION AS WELL.
AND THEN, UM, SORRY, TWO MORE.
SO, SO THE RTU SCREENING THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER TOO, AND THAT YOU KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT, BUT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, YOU STUDIED IT AND IT WILL, THAT THAT SCREEN WILL, IN FACT FROM SIGHT LINES AND STUFF, YOU WILL NOT SEE THE RTUS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THE EXISTING RT ARE CURRENTLY NOT SEEN AND I THINK WE'RE COMING IN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE EXISTING PARAPET.
SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO STAY SCREENED.
UM, AND THEN ONE LAST QUESTION.
THE GLASS, THE GLAZING, THE NEW PROPOSED GLAZING AND THE RENDERINGS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOT A FILM OF SOME SORT ON.
IT IS, BUT THEN IN THE NIGHT SHOT IT SEEMED CLEAR.
WHAT'S, IS THERE, I GUESS IS THERE A PROPOSED FILM OR PROPOSED LIKE, OR IS IT CLEAR GLASS? NO, IT'S STANDARD.
IT'S, I MEAN IT'S A SOLAR BAND.
70 IS THE PRODUCT THAT WE'D BE SPECIFYING CLEAR GLASS.
THANK YOU MR. OCK, MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, LIKE INSTALLATION OF THE PRODUCTS, UM, IF IT'S NOT DONE PROPERLY, IS THAT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM OR DO YOU HAVE A CERTAIN CREW OUT THERE THAT YOU LOOK FOR IN MAKING SURE IT'S INSTALLED PROPERLY? OUR CONTRACTOR PARTNER, UH, RANIER, WHO WE DO A LOT OF WORK WITH IN, IN THIS, UH, CENTRAL OHIO AND OHIO GENERALLY ON, ON DEALERSHIPS LIKE THIS, HAVE A VERY STRONG SUBCONTRACTING NETWORK THAT HAS INSTALLED THESE MATERIALS TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
SO I'M, I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THE, THE INSTALLATION OF THESE MATERIALS.
CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME, I'M LOOKING AT THE STAFF FINDINGS WITH THE FOUR, UH, THE OPTION TWO AT THE BOTTOM THERE, IS THAT PENDULUM, THE PART THAT'S STICKING OUT THAT IS PAINTED, IS THAT STILL BRICK THERE OR NOT? I JUST, IT'S THE BOTTOM SECTION ON THE RIGHT HAND.
SO THAT'S THAT MODULE THERE IS THAT SERVICE RECEPTION.
SO THERE'S DOORS ON THE FRONT THAT CUSTOMER VEHICLES WOULD BE COMING OUT AND THEN THAT BACK PORTION OF THE ELEVATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THERE IS A SPOT THAT VEHICLES THEN GO OUT OF TO THEN CIRCULATE BACK.
AND DID YOU LOOK AT A RENDERING WITH IT NOT BEING PAINTED? WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WERE THE PROS AND CONS OF LEAVING IT? OR, OR WE DID LOOK AT, WE DID STUDY A FEW OPTIONS IN TERMS OF HERE PAINTING EVERYTHING OPTION TWO AS PRESENTED TO THE, TO THE STAFF HERE.
UH, AND THEN I THINK THERE WAS A FEW OPTIONS, 3, 4, 5 WHERE THERE WAS DIFFERENT, UH, VARIATIONS ON PAINTING TO NOT PAINTING ANYTHING AND JUST DOING THE BUILDING MODIFICATIONS UP FRONT.
UM, WHEN REVIEWING THOSE WITH THE CLIENT AND, AND OUR DESIGN TEAM, WE, WE FELT THAT THIS WAS THE STRONGEST TO GET SORT OF A COHESIVE FRONT MM-HMM
OF THE BUILDING, SORT OF THIS, THE, THE BLACK AND, AND, AND HAVE THE SPLASH OF COLOR BE THAT RESPA PANEL VERSUS A A, YOU KNOW, THE TAN OF THE BRICK SHOWING THROUGH.
WE WANTED US MORE PUSH TOWARDS THAT WOOD TONE.
UM, AND THIS HELPED TO DO DO THAT THE BEST IN OUR EYES.
I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED COHESIVENESS.
'CAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING FURTHER AND YOU LOOK THROUGH THE HISTORY OF HOW THEY ALL BECAME THE SAME BRICK AND SO FORTH, THAT COHESIVENESS OF APPEARANCE AND, UM, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GETTING THAT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING? UM, CLOSE TO THAT.
I MEAN LIKE IF YOU'RE DRIVING PAST IT, YOU THAT, THAT LOOK OF INTEGRITY THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO BRING A BRING TOGETHER, UM, YEARS AGO, FACE ON, I GET THERE'S BEEN CHANGED, BUT TO THE SIDE.
NO, I, I THINK THAT'S A, AN IMPORTANT ASPECT AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, SORT OF WHERE WE LANDED WITH OPTION TWO, WHERE YOU STILL, THIS FEELS VERY MUCH SO LIKE THE MERCEDES DEALERSHIP TO THE WESTWARD, THAT FRONT PORTION THAT'S BRANDED, UM, FEELS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, SLEEK METAL MODERN COMPARED THE, THEN THE, THE MORE HISTORIC AND THEN COHESIVE TO THE REST OF THE ESTABLISHMENT WITH THE BRICK AND MASONRY THAT'S GOING ON.
THIS IS, IS PLAYING WITH THAT SAME FEEL THAT WE THINK IS THEN SORT OF REPLICATING THAT.
AND IT'S SORT OF SIMILAR TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CHRYSLER DEALERSHIP, WHERE IT'S SORT OF, THAT ONE'S MUCH MORE, I WOULD SAY BILLBOARD COMPARED TO THIS IS A, A WRAPS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND I THINK THE MERCEDES WRAPS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, SO LAST TIME I, THERE WAS CONFUSION OR JUST WITH ME, UM, IF IT WAS EVENING YOU COULD SEE INSIDE YOUR LIGHTING OF THE BRAND.
IS THAT GONE NOW OR IS THAT ALWAYS BEEN GONE? THERE WOULD BE A FEW, I THINK LIKE THE VERY FIRST ROW OF LIGHTS ALONG THE, UM, GLASS FRONTAGE OF THE FACADE THAT WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE SORT OF LIT
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IN THE EVENINGS.SO WAY IT WOULD BE A, A SLIGHT GLOW ON THE INSIDE.
BUT THAT, BUT WOULD YOU SEE YOUR SIGN, UH, THAT THE LETTERING? NO, I THINK THAT THE SIGN ON THE INSIDE IS THERE WOULD JUST BE AN ILLUMINATION DURING THE DAY WHEN IT WAS, UM, UH, OCCUPIED FOR BUSINESS.
THE ONE THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S INSIDE THE BUILDING.
UM, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE, UM, IS, IS THERE A NEW A PAVEMENT CHANGE UNDERNEATH THE RED SUPPORTS UNDER, UNDER THE RED SUPPORTS? WE WERE PROPOSING A GRAVEL THERE, UM, YET AGAIN THAT WE, WE FOUND THAT THIS WOULD BE AN AREA THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO, TO, TO, UM, DISPLAY A VEHICLE OUT ON THE LOT.
AND SO WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME SOMETHING THAT WOULD MORE EVOKE THE, THE OFF-ROADING NATURE.
THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S THE GRAVEL THAT'S UNDER THERE.
THOSE, THOSE COLUMNS, THE SUPPORTS FOR THAT CANOPY STRUCTURE THEN SORT OF ERUPT FROM THE GRAVEL INSTEAD OF THE CONCRETE.
IS IT A COMPACTED GRAVEL OR WHAT KIND OF, IS IT JUST LOOSE GRAVEL? IT'S, IT'S LOOSE GRAVEL.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK WE HAVE, ITS, UH, SPECIFIED IN THE LANDSCAPE PLANS.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACTLY OFF TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT, WHAT GRAVEL IT IS.
SO HAS ANYBODY BROUGHT UP AND BASSAM, THIS IS GONNA BE BACK TO THE CITY.
I I BELIEVE THERE'S A CODE ISSUE RELATED TO THOSE MEMBERS COMING DOWN AT AN ANGLE AND THE POSSIBILITY THAT PEOPLE COULD RUN INTO THEM.
MAYBE PEOPLE WITH, YOU KNOW, EYESIGHT DISABILITIES OR, AND THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED BY CODE TO DO SOMETHING ON THE PAPER TO CHANGE IT VERTICALLY OR PUT A, OR CURB IT AND PUT IT IN LANDSCAPE.
SOME THAT WOULD BE THE EXTREME.
OR TO BUILD, BUILD SOMETHING WHERE YOU CAN'T WALK, YOU, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF SIGNALS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THERE AND YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION.
HAVE YOU, I ONLY KNOW THIS BECAUSE IT HA IT'S HAPPENED TO ME ON ANOTHER PROJECT, SO MM-HMM
I JUST WANNA RAISE THAT AS A CONCERN THAT I'M WONDER, I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS MEETING THAT CODE.
UM, SO I THINK DURING THE, THE PLANNING STAFF REVIEW THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME ASKS FOR THE, THAT DETAIL DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
THOSE COLUMN BASES ARE ELEVATED OFF THE GROUND.
SO WHILE IT'S, IT'S IN THE GRAVEL, IT'S, IT'S UP ABOVE IT, THE ACTUAL BASE OF THE PIER THAT THE COLUMN RESTS ON, UH, IT'S PROUD.
I I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY DIMENSIONS.
I WANNA SAY IT'S FOUR INCHES TO SIX INCHES.
UM, AND THEN THE COLUMN IS THEN SET UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT ON, ON THAT.
SO THERE, IT'S, IT SHOULD ALL BE MEETING CODE FOR, FOR THAT CHANGE.
I I'M NOT READING IT IN THE RENDERINGS AND STUFF OR ANY OF THE DETAILS, SO I JUST, I DON'T, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S COMPLETELY FLAT.
I THINK THINK THE RENDERINGS ARE, IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE IT'S MORE LIKE PAVING THAN GRAVEL IN THAT I COULD JUST WALK RIGHT THROUGH THERE AND YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE STAIRCASES THAT COME DOWN MM-HMM
YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF A BARRIER OR SOMETHING.
I THINK IT'S THE SAME ISSUE WITH THIS FROM A CODE STANDPOINT.
SO, SO YOU SAID YOU'VE GONE, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT REVIEW AND THIS MEETS CODE WHATEVER YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING NEEDS TO YES.
BASED, BASED UPON OUR FINDINGS TO, TO DATE I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE MEETING CODE.
IT, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMITTING, UM, I'M NOT RIGHTLY HAS BEEN MANAGING THIS PROJECT.
USUALLY OUR BUILDING DIVISION WILL WEIGH IN.
AND SO IF THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION, I'M PERSONALLY NOT AWARE OF.
CAN YOU CLARIFY JUST PROCEDURALLY, IF WE SEE AN APPLICATION AND THERE IS NOT IN THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TEXT INDICATIONS, BUT THERE IS AN INTERNATIONAL BUILDING, UH, CODE REQUIREMENT OR SOMETHING ELSE.
IF THERE IS A DISCREPANCY, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? YEAH, I MEAN IF IT'S GONNA BE A MAJOR CHANGE BECAUSE OF A CODE ISSUE, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, DECIDE HOW TO DEAL WITH IT AT THE TIME.
BUT MOST OF THE TIME THOSE THINGS CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS.
UH, SO OUR APPROVAL ISN'T LIKE RIGHT, YOU'RE APPROVING THE ZONING PIECE OF THIS.
THIS WOULD NOT BE BROUGHT BACK BASED ON HAVING TO PUT THIS IN A, YOU KNOW, HIGHER CURBED LANDSCAPE BED.
THIS IS A FINE, WOULD DEAL WITH THE PLAN, RIGHT.
THEY WOULD MESH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO I DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT ANYMORE IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME.
I MEAN, IF YOU CONCERNED, CAN WE ADD, CAN WE ADD A CONDITION? COULDN'T WE ADD A CON ANOTHER? WE COULD, BUT THERE'S ALREADY, RIGHT.
WELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE CAN'T VIOLATE JUST IF IT'S A BELT AND SUSPENDERS APPROACH TO MAKE SURE KIM IS, UH, SATISFIED.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.
THE, THE BUILDING CODE WILL HAVE TO BE SATISFIED, SO OKAY.
AND I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT IN THE RECORD TOO THAT SO SOMEBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO IT.
UH, ONE WAS FOR YOU, BASSAM, IN YOUR STAFF REPORT,
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THERE ARE TWO PLACES WHERE YOU IDENTIFY THE LANGUAGE.ALL BUILDING SHALL BE DESIGNED TO REFLECT THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS AND MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY WITH SUB AREA A.
SO, AND I THINK THAT'S, NONE OF THAT'S CHANGING, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS IN THE SPIRIT OF THE BUILDING SUB AREA.
YEAH, NO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT CHANGING.
'CAUSE I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT FINDING A COMPROMISE BETWEEN WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND I THINK WHAT A NUMBER OF US OBJECTIONS A NUMBER OF US HAD BEFORE.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE THICKNESS OF THE RESPA? YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THREE DIFFERENT MATERIAL THICKNESSES IN THE INFORMATION PROVIDED.
THE RESPA PANEL, WE WOULD BE SPECIFYING AS A 10 MILLIMETER.
SO I THINK THAT'S ABOUT A HALF INCH, GIVE OR TAKE.
THAT'S IT MR. DASHER, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT.
YOUR PREFERENCE IS, WE HAVE IT UP HERE, THE OPTION ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THE CLIENT'S PREFERENCE IS THE OPTION ONE.
AND, UH, BASSAM, CAN YOU REMIND ME OR JENNY, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SIGNS? AGAIN, HOW MANY ARE THEY ALLOWED TO HAVE? AND I CAN'T RECALL.
THEY CAN GET THE ONE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THEY HAVE THE ONE LIKE THE, THE, UH, THAT'S OUT FRONT LIKE IN THE ROAD, RIGHT? AND THAT'S IT.
SO THAT, THAT FOLLOWS THE TEXTS.
UH, A LOT OF THE SIGNAGE FOR THE OVERALL CAMPUS WAS ADDRESSED THROUGH SUB AREA A.
SO FOR THIS SPECIFIC SUB AREA, IT'S REALLY LIMITED TO YOU.
YOU APPROVED THE SIGN FRONT ALREADY, RIGHT? A COUPLE WEEKS AGO? YEAH, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO UPFRONT.
SO THERE WOULD BE LIMITED TO THAT.
THE SIGN ON THE BUILDING AND THEN THE WAY FINDING SIGNAGE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING I MENTIONED LAST TIME THIS WAS BROUGHT.
IS IT THE, IS THE CITY'S POSITION THAT THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENT SUPPORTING THE BALCONY OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS.
WHAT'S THAT CALLED? JAMIE? FROM AN ARCHITECT STANDPOINT, THE, UH, CANTILEVER, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S NOT A SIGN.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND DISAGREE WITH YOU IN THE CITY ON THAT.
SO HERE'S MY TAKE, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PAINT THAT BLACK? IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO PAINT IT RED.
YOU WANT IT TO BE RED BECAUSE IT MATCHES THE LOGOS AND I I PULLED THEM UP.
IT'S, IT'S EXACTLY LIKE THAT STRUCTURAL ELEMENT.
AND THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT I MENTIONED LAST TIME.
SO, UM, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET BY.
WHAT WOULD, WHAT IF, IF WE COME TO A CONCLUSION THAT THAT IS A SIGN, WHAT WOULD THE APPLICANT HAVE TO DO? WOULD THERE HAVE TO BE A ADDITIONAL APPLICATION FOR ANOTHER SIGN? HOW DOES THAT WORK, DAD? WELL, IF IT WERE A SIGN, WE'D HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT SIGN TYPE IT IS.
WHETHER IT WOULD MEET THE DIMENSIONS OF WHATEVER SIGN TYPE THAT MIGHT BE.
THERE'D BE WHAT DO THEY DO? A SIGN PLAN? NO, THAT WOULD BE BRIDGE STREET.
SO DO YOU HAVE TO DO ANOTHER AMENDED, AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ESSENTIALLY.
MR. GERVIN, I THINK ALL MY QUESTIONS WERE HIT ON ALREADY.
UH, SO PUBLIC COMMENT, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WE'LL TURN IT NOW FOR DELIBERATION.
UM, I, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE THE TWO SEPARATELY.
THE REZONING SEEMS TO HAVE, UM, LESS DISCUSSION THAN THE OTHER.
SO, UH, I'M JUST GONNA ROLL CALL AND SEE IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT OCEAN ONE, WHICH IS THE CONSIDERATION FOR RECOMMENDATION OF REZONING TO CITY COUNCIL OR IS THE OTHER ONE.
YEAH, THAT'S THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO IS THERE ANY CONCERN, ANY COMMENTS, ANY DISCUSSION THAT IS WANTED ON THE REZONING SPECIFICALLY PORTION REZONING DOES HAVE THREE CONDITIONS.
YOU CAN READ THEM ON THE SCREEN NOW.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE HERE, 'CAUSE JUST TO BE CLEAR,
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IF I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE COLORING OF THE BUILDING AND THE, THE SIGNAGE, THAT'S FOR THE NEXT ONE? THAT'S CORRECT.WITH THAT THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE REZONING.
SO MOVED WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. WE DO, I HAVE A SECOND.
JUST TO CLARIFY, THE, THE CONDITIONS ARE THE A FDP CONDITIONS.
MR, WE CAN I HAVE YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION BECAUSE YOU SAID WITH THREE CONDITIONS ECHOING MY MISTAKE AND WITHOUT THREE COMMIT CONDITIONS.
ALRIGHT, NOW FOR DELIBERATION ON, UH, THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND I'M GONNA REVERSE AND I'M GONNA GO MR. GARVIN, YOU FIRST.
UM, SO INITIALLY I WAS MORE SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, OPTION TWO IN READING THROUGH THE, THE PLAN, JUST LIKE THE CITY.
I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT IT NOW, IT'S NOT AS, IT'S NOT AS STRONG ONE WAY OR ANOTHER FOR ME.
UM, BUT I THINK I SLIGHTLY PREFER THE FULLY BLACK, JUST FOR CONTINUITY.
UM, I WAS CURIOUS IF, AND I'LL TRY TO PULL IT UP ON MY PHONE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE MERCEDES BUILDING AGAIN.
MAYBE THAT'LL CHANGE MY OPINION ON THAT.
AND THEN ON THE CANTILEVER, I WOULD ALSO AGREE, OBVIOUSLY IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S OBVIOUSLY SUPPOSED TO ALLUDE TO THEIR LOGO.
UM, BUT GIVEN OUR DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
SO I'M, I'M ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF THE, THE FULL BLACK.
I, THE, THE COLORING I, THE CONCERNS THAT JAMIE HAD ABOUT THE TRANSITION, IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD IN MY OPINION.
I DON'T THINK AESTHETICALLY IT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER WITH THE BLACK.
I LIKE THE BUILDING, I LIKE THE RED SUPPORT, BUT I THINK IT'S A SIGN.
SO RIGHT NOW I'M A NO BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF MAKING THAT A SIGN.
MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT IF WE LET THIS GO THROUGH, THE OTHER DEALERSHIPS ARE GONNA BE COMING UP WITH WAYS OR EITHER ONE COMING UP WITH WAYS TO USE SOME MANUFACTURED SIGN TO BE A SUPPORT OR SOMETHING.
AND IT COULD, WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING POTENTIALLY POOR PRECEDENT IN THAT MANNER WITHOUT HAVING THE APPLICANT GO THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE SIGN, WHICH I DO THINK LOOKS GOOD.
IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE LOGO.
MR. ALEXANDER, IF YOU PAINT THE BUILDING ALL BLACK, IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE LANGUAGE FOR THAT SUB AREA.
SO I I THINK STAFF IS A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT.
THE ONLY AREA YOU SHOULD PAINT BLACK, BECAUSE THE CONTINUITY OF THE BRICK IS WHAT TIES EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE THREE BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW, THE BRICK TIES THEM TOGETHER.
THEY DIFFERENTIATE THEMSELVES BY THEIR FRONTS.
THEIR FRONTS ARE ALL DIFFERENT, BUT THE BRICK LINKS 'EM TOGETHER.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WITHOUT MAJOR CHANGES TO FOLLOW THE LANGUAGE OF THE TEXT.
SO I, I'M, I AGREE WITH STAFF.
I THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA PAINT IT, YOU CAN ONLY PAINT THE FRONT AT LEAST TO MATCH THE LANGUAGE OF THE TEXT.
AND I DON'T, WE, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIGN BEFORE AND I, I DEFER TO FAD AND THE STAFF ON THAT.
SO THE PAINTING OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE, I THINK WE'RE BEYOND THAT.
SO GARY, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT SO THAT THEN THE BACK PART OF THAT, THERE, THERE ESSENTIALLY WOULD NEED TO BE AN OPTION THREE BASED ON WHAT GARY'S SAYING BECAUSE IT, IT'S PULLING THE BLACK ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT BUILDING.
IT'S NOT JUST THE FRONT, RIGHT.
WE TALKED ABOUT CAN WE PULL UP THE PICTURE OF THE, PULL UP THE PICTURE PLEASE? YEAH.
IF YOU LOOK AT OPTION TWO, THAT BOTTOM RIGHT PHOTO THAT'S PAINTED, THAT'S THE BRICK PAINTED, PAINTED ALL BLACK ON THE BACK END.
SO THAT'S NOT THIS THE FRONT FACADE.
BUT IT'S NOT FROM, FROM THE CORNER OF THE ONE STORY STRUCTURE.
AND THEN AS YOU GO AROUND, YOU CAN SEE THE BANDING OF THE BRICK CONTINUING AROUND THE, THE, SO THE CHALLENGE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIO, I HAVE GOOGLE MAPS UP SO THAT I CAN SEE.
THE ONLY CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE THERE, GARY, IS THAT PROJECTION HERE THAT'S BLACK ON OPTION TWO, YOU COULD STILL SEE THE BAND.
SO IT'S NOT THE FRONT YOU, UM, THAT SECOND STORY HEIGHT THERE.
OH, YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TOO FAR? UH, NO, NO, NO.
I'M SAYING WE'RE ESSENTIALLY SPLITTING THE
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MIDDLE, THIS PROJECTION IN OPTION TWO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THE, THE NON PART OF THE MAIN BUILDING THAT'S PAINTED, THAT IS MEETING THE FRONT BECAUSE IT'S THE VISIBLE FROM THIS ANGLE.BUT THE SECOND STORY, WHAT'S VISIBLE UP ABOVE THAT IS STILL THE BRICK.
IT'S NOT PAINTED BLACK IN THE RENDER.
AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT PROVIDES THE CONTINUITY.
IT'S, IT'S WHAT LINKS AND HIERARCHICALLY, BECAUSE IT'S UP HIGH AND IT WRAPS AROUND THE BACK.
I IT TIES EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
AND SO, UM, IIII THINK THAT'S A, A SUBTLE WAY OF SHOWING BOTH ON ONE ELEVATION.
BUT YOU COULD GO FURTHER IF, IF, IF YOU SAID DON'T PAINT THAT BLACK, I MEAN, I'D BE FINE WITH THAT TOO.
YEAH, I, I, I THINK THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE, AND NORMALLY I DON'T GO OUTTA TURN, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE ON THIS TOPIC ALREADY, UM, THAT THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE IS THERE'S ALREADY TWO COLORS IN THAT.
AND IT MAY BE JUST THE, THE UNDULATION AND THE SHADOWING, BUT THAT PUTS THREE COLORS STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
AND STRIPY BUILDINGS ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT WE TYPICALLY LIKE.
SO YOU CAN SEE, WELL IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A DEVICE TO BREAK THE ELEVATION UP.
AND SO I THINK THE OTHER EL THE OTHER BUILDINGS HAVE STRIPES LIKE THAT TOO.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE SECOND STORY ONE COLOR AND THE FIRST STORY ANOTHER, AT LEAST FROM THIS PARTICULAR VIEW.
NO, THEY DON'T, BUT THEY DON'T.
MR. DESLER, ANYTHING REMAINING THERE? I'M GOOD.
MR. ALEXANDER, ANYTHING REMAIN? WE'VE MADE OUR POINT.
THANK YOU MR. WE, I, I'M FINE WITH OPTION TWO.
I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT BALANCE.
AND I WENT BACK TO, UH, MR. ALEXANDER'S COMMENTS FROM THE MATH LAST MEETING ABOUT THIS LANGUAGE OF A CAMPUS, THIS BUILDING, EACH BUILDING HAS SOME CORPORATION OF THAT LANGUAGE, BUT THERE'S A D VARIATION ON IT AND YOU KNOW, IT'S THE FRONT OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
IT COULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER.
SO, AND, AND WHERE YOU START AND STOP, I, I ACTUALLY THINK THIS, THAT IS THE RIGHT CON CONTENT TO DO THAT VARIATION.
AND, UM, I THINK THE RED SUPPORTS ARE FINE AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TAKE THE SUPPORTS AND JUST PULL 'EM APART A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN THEY'RE JUST TWO COLUMNS.
SO IF THAT'S A DIFFERENT, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SORT OF TOUCHING, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE LOGO, BUT IF THEY JUST PULL 'EM APART A FOOT
I I I SUPPORT THAT MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UM, AND THE TIME YOU'VE BEEN SPENDING, I DO AGREE WITH MR. ALEXANDER BECAUSE A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS IS I GO WITH THE COHESIVENESS OF IT, AND WHEN YOU ARE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU ARE SEEING THE SAME BUILDING AND THAT, THAT LOOK FROM ONE BUILDING TO THE OTHER, IF YOU ARE FACED ON, IT'S DEFINITELY THE MERCEDES HAVE A VERY STRONG LOOK THERE, YOU'LL BE BRINGING ON A VERY STRONG, STRONG LOOK.
UM, OPTION TWO IS BETTER THAN OPTION ONE FOR ME, BUT I WOULD ALSO, UM, ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF NOT PAINTING THE BRICK AT THAT SIDE WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, THE, THE, UM, I THINK IT'S THE DRIVEWAYS OR SO FORTH LIKE THAT, THE GARAGES.
I I AND YOU WERE SHOWING SOME PICTURES OVER THERE I COULDN'T SEE AND I UNDERSTAND IT JUST, IT JUST, UM, IT, IT BRINGS THE BLACK TO THE SIDE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING FORWARD.
AND THAT PART TO ME, I HA I HAVE TROUBLE WITH, UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, JUST WALKING BACK THERE, UM, UH, JUST BEING ATTENTIVE TO, UM, THE SPACES THAT'S BACK THERE WITH, IF THERE'S PICNIC BENCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, HOW TO INCORPORATE THOSE IN.
YOU HAVE THOSE THERE, UM, MAKING THEM LOOK LIKE THEY ARE READY TO, TO BE THERE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I AM, I'M THE COHESIVENESS IS, IS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE THAT WAS A STANDARD THAT WAS, UM, THAT, UH, OVER TIME WAS IMPORTANT.
MR. CHO, SO
GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE SHOULD NEVER TRANSITION PAINT WITHOUT.
WE SHOULD NOT TRANSITION PAINT ON BRICK WITH JUST A LINE.
IT JUST DOESN'T, IT'S NEVER GONNA LOOK GOOD NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY.
SO I I, I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME WITH OPTION TWO.
THERE'S NO GREAT TRANSITION NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
THE OTHER PART I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER IS WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AREA FROM A MACRO LEVEL.
SO BEYOND THESE THREE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE OLD, ANTIQUATED BRICK, THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS REFRESHED.
WHEN WE WERE FIRST HERE, WE FELT LIKE WE WANTED TO KEEP THOSE COHESIVE, BUT WHEN YOU GO OUT FURTHER, YOU LOOK AT FERRARA, YOU LOOK AT MAG, YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING ELSE IN THIS AREA, ENTIRELY BLACK BUILDING THIS LOOK, YOU'RE REFRESHED IN THE FRONT.
AND I THINK IF WE DO OPTION TWO, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WE HALF EFFORT IT
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PAINTED A FACADE AND GAVE UP ON THE REST OF THE BUILDING.NOW, IF WE CAN MAKE EVERYBODY ELSE THE OTHER BUILDING'S ADJACENT TO IT, PAINT THEIR BUILDINGS, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
BUT AGAIN, I, I REALLY ENCOURAGE US TO LOOK AT A MUCH BIGGER VIEW OF THIS BECAUSE FERRARI, PORSCHE, ALL THESE GUYS, THEY'RE VERY MODERN LAND ROVER.
IT'S GOT A VERY MODERN, NICE LOOK TO IT.
YOU'RE PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT, THE FRONT'S GONNA LOOK GREAT AND I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A HUGE MISS IF WE DON'T COMPLETE THE COMPLETE THE WHOLE BUILDING.
SO I JUST, I, UM, I WASN'T SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION ONE WHEN YOU FIRST BROUGHT IT, BUT AS YOU KIND OF THINK ABOUT THE OPTIONS AND YOU DRIVE OVER THERE AND SEE WHAT'S OVER THERE, THIS BUILDING SORELY NEEDS A REFRESH.
AND OPTION ONE TO ME IS THE WAY TO DO IT.
MR. WADE, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON, I I, I, AGAIN, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE CAME TO THE DELIBERATION AND YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A CAMPUS THERE WITH THREE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A COMMON LANGUAGE, UM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT JUDGMENT FOR CROWN, THAT THAT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THEIR IMAGE.
THOSE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS COULD CHANGE, RIGHT? OR ARE WE SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT SAYS WE APPROVE THIS BECAUSE IT'S FITS INTO A CAMPUS AND NOW YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE CAMPUS BACK TO MR. SINEK'S POINT IS, UM, MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST SAY IT ALL CAN CHANGE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COMPATIBLE.
I, I MEAN I, I SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT THAT, BUT IT, THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ANTIQUATED AND THEY, THEY WILL BE REFRESHED.
AND THEN ARE WE, ARE WE LIMITING THAT BY SETTING A PRECEDENT, SAYING YOU'VE GOTTA KEEP THE, THE OLD BRICK LOOK AND IT IS KIND OF AN OLD BRICK LOOK.
AND AGAIN, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH JUST CHANGING THE FACADES, NOT IT'S, IT'S GONNA, IT'S, IT WILL LOOK UNFINISHED.
LET'S GO MR. GARVIN AND THEN MISS HARDER.
UM, JUST QUICKLY, I THINK THAT DOES KIND OF HELP ARTICULATE WHAT, WHAT I WAS THINKING IS I AGREE, GARY, THAT, THAT THAT IS THE COMMON THREAD THROUGH THERE.
UM, BUT IT'S LIKE YOU'RE HANGING ON TO THE PART THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THESE UPDATES ARE MEANT TO ADDRESS.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE HANGING ONTO THE WRONG COMMON THREAD.
IF WE WANNA SAY THERE'S ONE MORE BUILDING AFTER YOU DO THIS, THAT COULD BECOME BROUGHT INTO MATCHING, YOU COULD SAY THAT OR I'D BE PERFECTLY FINE SAYING DIFFERENT STYLES BECAUSE THESE ARE THREE BUILDINGS AMONG EIGHT, NINE DEALERSHIPS OVER THERE.
BE BEFORE WE GO TO MS. HARTER, MS. ROUSH, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN MERCEDES CAME FORWARD? DID THEY WANT ALL BLACK? AND WE SAID NO, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
I CAN LOOK REAL QUICK AND SEE.
I FEEL LIKE IF YOU COULD BROWN, I FEEL LIKE WHAT THEY ASKED WHAT THEY GOT IS WHAT THEY ASKED FOR.
BUT I'LL, I'LL LOOK REAL QUICK.
THANK YOU MS. HARDER, I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO STEER US AWAY FROM EACH ONE LOOKING SO INDIVIDUAL THAT IT DOESN'T COME TOGETHER.
AND THEN MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE TRICK SHOULD BE, WHERE, WHERE THEY SHOULD BE GETTING TOGETHER AND TALKING ABOUT THIS.
BECAUSE IF THAT WAS THE PLAN FROM THE BEGINNING FOR EVERYONE TO, TO HAVE THIS COHESIVENESS, THEN WHY WOULDN'T WE BRING THEM BACK TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THAT? BUT SORRY, BUT WE'VE ALLOWED THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS IN THAT AREA NOT TO STAY WITH THAT.
LIKE AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER MANY BUILDINGS OVER THERE, THEY'RE NOT, WE DIDN'T KEEP 'EM TO THAT CAMPUS LOOK, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED TO DO IT HERE.
WE, WE DID LIMIT COLORS, HOWEVER, SO COLORS SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITED.
WELL SUGGEST MAYBE IT'S NOT ALL BLACK, BUT MAYBE IT IS A GRAY OR ANOTHER COLOR THAT'S NOT QUITE AS CON MUCH CONTRAST WOULD CERTAINLY HELP.
BUT I SURE YOU DON'T WANNA DO ANOTHER
WE'LL GIVE MS RAUS A MINUTE TO, TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH THERE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DELIBERATIONS? I'LL MAKE ONE.
JAMIE, I DON'T SHARE YOUR, I I SHARE YOUR RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE OUTSIDE CORNER IN THE, IN THE TRANSITION AT AN OUTSIDE CORNER.
BUT THE STRATEGY THEY'RE USING TO CHANGE THE PAINT COLOR IS A COMMON STRATEGY USED FOR CHANGING PAINT COLORS AND CHANGING MATERIALS AT INSIDE CORNERS BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT'S LESS, THAT'S WHERE IT'S LESS VISIBLE.
I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT OUTER CORNER, BUT THESE INNER CORNERS, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE AND YOU'RE GONNA BE SO FAR AWAY.
SO I, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T WANT TO USE MYSELF THAT FOR GROUNDS TO SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT I THINK, AND WE KEEP HEARING WHEN WE HAVE THESE TRAINING SESSIONS.
FILE THE CODE, FILE THE CODE, FOLLOW THE LANGUAGE OF YOUR CODE.
WHAT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME PRETTY CLEAR LANGUAGE FOR THESE THREE BUILDING BUILDINGS IN OUR CODE ABOUT MAINTAINING CONTINUITY.
SO IF YOU PAINT THIS BLACK, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU SUPPORT, HOW DO YOU SAY, OKAY, WE'RE SUPPORTING THE LANGUAGE OF THIS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT SAYS MAINTAIN CONTINUITY AMONGST THE BUILDINGS.
WHAT'S THE CONTINUITY? I I DO WANNA OFFER, 'CAUSE I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THE STICKLERS ON HAY.
I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENT, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FOLLOW THE DEVELOPMENT
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TEXT FOR A PARTICULAR PARCEL THAT WAS DEVELOPED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, THE ORIGINAL APPLICANTS.BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY SAID WAS, PLEASE WILL YOU ADOPT OUR CODE? AND THE HOUR COULD CHANGE THAT THE AUDIENCE OF THE PRESENTATION COULD CHANGE.
AND RIGHT NOW THE, THE APPLICANT PRESENTING TO US IS, IS HERE.
AND SO THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THE TEXT OF THE CODE.
AND SO THEY'RE ASKING ESSENTIALLY, CAN WE CHANGE THE CODE? NOW THEY'RE ONE, THEY'RE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL THREE OF THE BUILDINGS, BUT I, I THINK, I THINK THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, WE JUST SPENT 18 MONTHS DOING A COMMUNITY PLAN, FOLLOW THAT CODE VERSUS WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT TEXTS THAT'S FROM SOME NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T MEET, MAYBE THERE'S AN ASK FOR A CHANGE.
SO THAT'S MY, MY HI HISTORY AND PERSONAL.
THAT'S WHY I STARTED THIS CONVERSATION BY ASKING BASSAM ABOUT THAT LANGUAGE CHANGE.
LEMME THROW THIS OUT THERE 10 AGAIN, I'M NOT A BIG, I'M, I FEEL LIKE I'M A PROPONENT OF OPTION JUAN, BUT I, THE THE OTHER PIECE OF CONTINUITY THOUGH, LIKE THREE BUILDINGS TO ME DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE A CAMPUS.
I I, I'M AGAIN THINKING ABOUT THE MACRO LEVEL OUT THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON.
IT'S, I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THE FERRARI'S BLACK IS, YOU KNOW, SO I I JUST THINK THERE'S MORE CONTINUITY OUTSIDE OF THESE THREE BUILDINGS THAT WE MAYBE SHOULD CONSIDER IS ALL I REALLY, I'M TRYING TO SAY.
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT, SO WHEN I SAW THIS THE FIRST TIME, I WAS LIKE, OH, THE TWO-TONE, LOOK, FORGET THAT THAT'S LOOKS, THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.
SO I WAS ALL BLACK UNTIL GARY BROUGHT UP THE, THE CAMPUS APPROACH TO IT.
AND THAT'S WHY, AND I BOUGHT, I WAS, I UNDERSTOOD THAT AND I BOUGHT, BOUGHT INTO THAT.
UM, I'M STILL NOT SURE I LIKE THE TWO-TONE
AND THAT I, I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE SHOULD WE, SHOULD THIS BE THE LAST STEP IN THE WAY, OLD WAY OF THINKING ABOUT THE CAMPUS? OR IS THIS THE FIRST STEP IN THE NEW WAY OF THINKING ABOUT THE CAMPUS, RIGHT.
SHOULD WE BE HELPING THEM, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT WHERE THIS CAMPUS IS GOING AND WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO I I'M GONNA DO STRAW POLL, JUST OPTION ONE, OPTION TWO BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED TWO OPTIONS THAT, THAT HE'S, UM, THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE TO HIM.
SO THEREFORE I'M GONNA DO STRAW POLL FOR OPTION ONE.
IF YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION ONE HEAD, NOT A THUMBS UP.
WELL, FOR, WELL FOR ME IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATTER 'CAUSE I'M STILL A NO ANYWAY, SO I THINK IT INCLUDES EVERYTHING.
ISN'T THAT RIGHT? IT'S ON ALL OF IT.
I CAN'T PART, YOU CAN'T PART AND PARCEL IT.
WELL, I, I'D STILL LIKE YOUR OPINION.
I LIKE OPTION EVEN THOUGH OPTION ONE.
IF I'M SAYING IT MS. HARDER, YOU'RE A TWO.
CAN, CAN I JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION IF, IF WE DO GO WITH OPTION ONE, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIGNS BEING ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.
SO THE SIGN BASE IS THAT 10 BRICK, WHICH IS COMMON TO THE CAMPUS.
AND SO MY, MY ONLY QUE I DON'T MEAN TO COMPLICATE IT, BUT IF THE BUILDING IS PAINTED BLACK, IF WE DO GET A REQUEST FOR THE, WE WOULD PAINT THE SIGN BASE.
AND, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, APPLICANT SAID THAT THE BASE WOULD BE PAINTED.
I, I I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
THAT'S IF WE'RE GOING WITH OPTION ONE, THAT THE SIGNED BASE IS OKAY WITH THE COMMISSION.
SO IT, IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT WAS, WHAT'S OUT THERE IS WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
THERE WAS NOT DISCUSSION, AT LEAST IN THE PLANNING REPORT AND THE RECORD OF ACTION, THEY LOOK SIMILAR.
SO AGAIN, MY FIVE MINUTES OF LOOKING HERE, BUT THANK YOU.
CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT ONE MORE TIME? 'CAUSE THEY SAID THEY PREFERRED OPTION TWO.
IS THAT BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT'S OPTION? NO, I BELIEVE HE SAID HE.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID OPTION ONE.
UH, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO PAINT THE WHOLE BUILDING.
UH, ONE COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE COMMISSION TO MAYBE, UH, CONTINUE TO CHEW ON THE COHESIVENESS OF THE CAMPUS.
UM, IT WASN'T EASILY REPRESENTED AND I WOULD, AND I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND GOING TO SEE THE MERCEDES, UH, SPRINTER DEALERSHIP OVER AT EASTON.
THE COING AND BRICK DETAILING STILL COMES THROUGH WHEN IT'S PAINTED.
WE WOULD BELIEVE THAT THAT LEADS TO A COHESIVE CAMPUS STILL, UH, EVEN THOUGH ALL THE BRICK IS BLACK COMPARED TO THE TAN ELSEWHERE BECAUSE THEN THE LANGUAGE IS STILL THE SAME WHILE MAYBE THE MATERIAL COLOR IS DIFFERENT.
UH, THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, I THOUGHT I HEARD THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION TWO.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DELIBERATION? I I THINK WE BEAT THE, THE PAINT COLOR
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HORSE TO DEATH.ANY OTHER DELIBERATION ON ANY OTHER ITEMS? OKAY, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS.
AND ON THE RECORD THOUGH, NO ADDITIONAL COM UH, CONDITION ABOUT THIS, THE BASE.
SHOULD THERE BE CONVERSATION FROM THE COMMISSION ON THE OPTION ONE? WAS THAT FOLLOWED? ARE WE APPROVING OPTION TWO OR, I'M WAITING FOR A MOTION.
SO WE'VE DELIBERATED ABOUT OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO, BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY NEED TO PRESCRIBE ANYTHING.
THEY JUST TAKE THAT AND GO ON.
I THINK YOU SHOULD, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, YOU SHOULD STIPULATE WHICH RECOMMENDED OPTION.
YEAH, I THINK THEY HAD THE, I THINK THEY HAD THE VOTES FOR ONE, REBECCA.
I MEAN THE WAY TO FIND OUT IS SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH OPTION ONE WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS.
I, I HEREBY MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS.
AND OPTION ONE, THE BASE OF THE SIGN AND THE BASE OF THE SIGN WOULD ALSO BE PAINTED BLACK.
WANNA STATE ON THE RECORD THE REASONS FOR THEIR NO.
AS I INDICATED PREVIOUSLY THAT I BELIEVE THAT I DO LIKE THE BUILDING AND OPTION ONE AND I LIKE THE RED SIGN.
THAT IS AN A THAT ALSO SERVES AS A STRUCTURAL SUPPORT.
UM, BUT UNTIL THAT WOULD BE APPLIED FOR SEPARATELY.
UH, IT DOES NOT MEET THE COHESIVENESS OF THE CAMPUS.
ANY OTHER? I CONCUR WITH KATHY
UH, WE, WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO, AGAIN, THIS WAS, I, I DON'T OFTEN FIND A CAR MANUFACTURER THAT I DON'T KNOW, BUT THIS WAS THE FIRST ONE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPERIENCE AND THANK YOU FOR TI YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
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UM, I JUST HAVE ONE.DO WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? OH YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT TOO.
I'LL DO MINE REAL QUICK AND THEN WE CAN, YOU CAN DO THAT.
UM, SO ON THE NEXT MEETING NEXT WEEK WE HAVE, MARK FORD IS GONNA COME AND TALK ABOUT BUILDING MATERIALS.
UM, AGAIN, TALK ABOUT NEW MATERIALS THAT WE'VE SEEN, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN REQUESTED FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, JUST TO GET TO SHARE HIS PER AND SHARE HIS PERSPECTIVE ABOUT HOW HE REVIEWS MATERIALS AND HIS ANALYSIS.
AND THEN ALSO TO HELP, UM, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND SUPPORT YOU ALL.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET NEW MATERIALS RIGHT, HE'S MAKING RECOMMENDATION.
WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATION, BUT ULTIMATELY YOU ALL HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION.
SO HOW TO HELP YOU ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW AND WHEN YOU WOULD APPLY THE USE OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE MEETING WITH HIM, UM, TOMORROW JUST TO SOLIDIFY WHAT HE'S BRINGING AND, AND HAVE A LITTLE OVERVIEW FOR YOU ALL.
SO IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S INTENDED TO BE A DISCUSSION, INFORMATIVE SESSION.
HE CAN COME MORE THAN ONE TIME, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU WOULD WANT HIM TO COME PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT? JUST SO HE HAS A HEADS UP? THIS IS NOT FOR MARK, THIS IS FOR YOU AND BASSAM.
UM, WHEN RUSS WAS HERE FROM CRAWFORD HOING AND HE SAID WE HAVE ALL THESE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND BUILT WITH THIN BRICK.
AND I DRIVE THROUGH AND I THROUGH THERE EVERY MORNING ON MY WAY.
AND I, SOME OF THE BUILDINGS I HAVE SENSE WHICH ONES THEY ARE, BUT IF YOU COULD PROVIDE US A LIST OF THE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE THIN BRICK, BECAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE US ALL AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO LOOK BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT QUESTION IS GONNA COME UP AGAIN.
UM, WOULD WE APPROVE THIN BRICK AND IF WE HAVE 'EM OUT THERE, UM, AND WE CAN GO LOOK AT THOSE AND DETERMINE WHETHER WE THINK THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL APPLICATIONS OF THAT MATERIAL? I THINK I KNOW THAT WOULD HELP ME.
AND I THINK THAT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO THIN BRICK, ESPECIALLY AS WE HAVE APPLICANTS WHO WANT NEW PRODUCT.
I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THE ANGST THAT WE HAVE WITH RESPA, NIE HA, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF MATERIALS.
IF THERE IS A BUILDING IN THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S DUBLIN OR THE GREATER COMMUNITY WHERE AN APPLICATION OF A, A NEWER MATERIAL TO US IS
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PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE HELPFUL.MR. WE, AND IT WOULD ALSO BE GOOD TO KNOW WHERE THIN BRICK HAS FAILED IN THE PAST AND WHY CERTAIN COMMISSIONERS WERE, WHICH HOTEL IS IT? RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF FRANCE AND, AND DUBLIN HOME TWO.
THAT'S THE ONE THIN BRICK POPPED OFF OF.
AND SO YEAH, SO CITY COUNCIL READ US THE RIOT ACT ON, UM, AND WE HAD A COMMISSIONER THAT EVERY MEETING WOULD, IS THIS THIN BRICK? I MEAN, HE WOULD ASK, HE WAS VERY AGAINST THIN BRICK.
SO I THINK PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, RIGHT, IS, IS WHAT FACTORS SHOULD, SHOULD WE YOU BE LOOKING AT WHEN THAT'S INSTALLED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT CONVERSATION.
THIN BRICK'S DEFINITELY ON THE LIST OF THINGS HE'S GONNA BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT.
UM, AND WE'VE HAD SOME REQUESTS FOR ALTERNATIVES TO CEDAR SHINGLE ROOF AND YEAH.
NEW BRICK THAT WAS A NEWER ONE TO US.
YEAH, I MEAN WE DO HAVE THAT EXISTING, UM, SPREADSHEET DATABASE THAT, UH, TI DID LAST YEAR.
UM, AND WE WILL FORWARD THAT TOMORROW TOO.
'CAUSE THAT TELLS YOU WHICH BUILDING, WHICH APPLICATION, WHAT MATERIALS WERE APPROVED.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, BUT WE'LL SPECIFICALLY CALL IT THE THIN BRICK SINCE THAT DEFINITELY WAS A CONVERSATION.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES AS WELL.
THE, UH, THE, I WAS GONNA SAY OTHER, OTHER, UM, WOOD SUBSTITUTE BECAUSE ADDITION TO RESPA AND NIE HA AND SOME OF THOSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR.
UH, I DUNNO IF IT'S WOOD SUBSTITUTE IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT FAAB, YOU KNOW, HIGH PRESSURE LAMINATE AND SOME OTHER FABRICATED THINGS.
HOW THE WOOD LOOK E EVEN THE WOOD LOOK METAL THAT WE SAW RECENTLY MM-HMM
AND ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I BROUGHT UP WAS, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE AT THE BASE OF A BUILDING MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN MATERIALS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR HIGHER UP.
AND A LOT OF DEVELOPERS KIND OF PLAY THAT.
SO WHERE YOU CAN COME UP AND TOUCH IT, IT FEELS REAL AND ALL THAT VERSUS WHERE YOU CAN'T TOUCH IT, IT'S STYROFOAM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
UM, AND THE, THAT YOU CAN'T TOUCH IT UNLESS YOU HAVE A BALCONY ON THAT FLOOR.
MR. GARVIN, UH, NOT TO BEAT A HORSE JUST AS KATHY AND JENNY WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WITH THE INSTALLATION.
I'D BE CURIOUS FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, MAYBE IF ED CAN DISCUSS IF THERE'S RECOURSE OR HOW YOU CAN MAKE A JUDGMENT ON WHETHER SOMETHING WAS INSTALLED CORRECTLY OR NOT AND ANYTHING MAYBE AROUND ACCOUNTABILITY ON, ON THE INSTALLATION.
SO, SO IF I CAN OFFER FUN ANECDOTE, UH, CALLWELL.
SO MY HUSBAND AND I USED TO OWN A CONDO.
ATWELL, YOU WON A HORROR STORY.
I CAN, I CAN GIVE YOU THAT, BUT UM, IN FACT I'LL, I'LL DO THAT AT A LATER TIME.
I'M OFF THE LABOR BECAUSE IT'S LONG ENOUGH.
ANY, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, JASON.
WELL, SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS BASED ON EVERYTHING ELSE, RIGHT, THERE'S GONNA BE NEW PRODUCTS INTRODUCED MM-HMM
AND I'M SURE THIS INDIVIDUAL IS GONNA HAVE THE INFORMATION ABOUT NOT ONLY HERE BUT AROUND THE COUNTRY, LIKE WHAT CAN WE EXPECT? AND I WOULD LIKE DETAILS ABOUT THOSE BECAUSE IN CERTAIN INSTANCES I THINK POTENTIALLY NEW PRODUCTS THEY COULD BE GOOD.
ESPECIALLY IF IT COULD, IT COULD HELP ON COST AND THEY COULD SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE AS SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF, UH, OTHER, OTHER MATERIALS THAT WE, WE GENERALLY LIKE.
BUT THAT SAID, IF THERE'S NOT A LONG HISTORY, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT THAT FROM A, A WARRANTY AND LIFELONG STANDPOINT.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY FROM THAT.
I JUST HAD A QUICK THOUGHT, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE INSTALLATION, JUST ADDING TO THAT.
SO MAYBE SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER TO WAIT FOR THE, THE THIS UH, MORE EXPERIENCED GROUP TO COME.
IS THERE, UH, TO INSTALL SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE WORTH WAITING FOR? IS THERE ANY INCENTIVES OR DO WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD LOOK AT OF WAITING FOR THAT AS WELL TOO? AND THEN WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE DEAL AS WELL TOO.
AND UM, UM, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
OH, I WAS WONDERING WHY LIKE NO ONE EVER TALKS ABOUT SOLAR PANELS AND IS IT BECAUSE NEW DEVELOPMENTS ARE A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT IT OR WHAT OR SHOULD WE BE? I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE NERVOUS ABOUT, WELL, SOLAR PANEL, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT COME AND SAY, OH, I'M GONNA PUT SOMETHING AND TRY AND MAKE IT COST EFFICIENT FOR OUR, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA LIVE THERE.
SO JUST CHECKING TO SEE IF THAT WAS SOMETHING.
YEAH, THANK YOU JENNY FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.
NOW LOOKING INTO THE COMMISSION, DO YOU GUYS WANNA DO ELECTIONS THIS EVENING? DO YOU WANNA PUNT UNTIL NEXT WEEK? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? PROBABLY TAKE US FIVE MINUTES.
SO DO YOU GUYS WANNA EXIT? WE'RE JUST HERE, SO, OKAY.
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AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, YOU HAVE TO MOVE AND HAVE A ROLL CALL.I'M NOT LOOKING TO, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE CAN EITHER MAKE A MOTION FOR A CHAIR OF VICE CHAIR OR WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR REBECCA TO CHAIR AND KIM TO BE VICE CHAIR FOR THIS NEXT YEAR.
SECOND, I HAVE MOTION ON THE TABLE.
MS. ANY DISCUSSION? CAN WE DO BOTH OF THOSE AT ONCE? ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY.
NOTHING ELSE TO DO ON THURSDAY OR WEDNESDAYS.
MR. WAY, I THINK YOUR, YOUR, UM, WAS MOST BELIEVABLE.
THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN FOR SPENDING A THURSDAY NIGHT.