May 01, 2025 Planning &amp; Zoning Commission

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[Case #23-125Z-PDP]

THIS IS THE BEACON REZONING AND PRELIMINARY PLA, EXCUSE ME, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REVIEW RE REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF A REZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 21 AND A HALF ACRE SITE FROM R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, PCD, PLANNED COMMERCE DISTRICTS, AND PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, NORTHEAST QUAD TO A NEW PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, AND A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A CONTINUUM, CARE OF CARE, RETIREMENT COMMUNITY, AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS AND AMENITIES.

THE SITE IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF A ROUNDABOUT AT BRIGHT ROAD AND EMERALD PARKWAY.

AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR APPLICANT FORWARD TO THE PODIUM.

PLEASE PRESS THE BUTTON TO TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

STEVE NEWCOMB.

UH, 1 0 3 6 8 FOREST GLEN PLACE, UH, PAO, OHIO 4 3 0 6 5.

OKAY, I'M GLAD TO BE BACK.

IT'S, UM, IT'S BEEN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS SINCE, UH, WE STARTED THIS PROJECT, AND I WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF HISTORY OF, OF HOW WE GOT HERE.

AND THEN I HAVE A NUMBER OF SLOTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH.

YOU HEAR ME? UM, THIS STARTED IN 2019 AND, UH, I STARTED LOOKING AT SENIOR HOUSING.

I SAW THAT THE BABY BOOMERS WERE TURNING 75 IN 2020, AND I KNEW THERE'S 90 MILLION BABY BOOMERS AND I'VE BUILT A LOT OF CONDOS.

I, UM, BUILT A SECTION IN THE C**N VISIT, UH, C**N, BUT I IN APARTMENTS.

AND SO I WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT TYPE OF HOUSING.

AND SO, UM, DUBLIN, UM, RETIREMENT VILLAGE IS A-C-C-R-C.

SO I WENT THERE AND THEN I WENT TO FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE AND I WENT FIRST COMMUNITY, AND

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I WENT TO, UM, PAL SENIOR LIVING, WHICH IS NOW STORY POINT.

AND I REALIZED REAL QUICK THAT THE SINGLE LEVEL OF CARE COMMUNITIES DID NOT HAVE WHAT THE CONTINUUM OF CARE.

AND SO CONTINUUM OF CARE ALLOWS PEOPLE TO AGE IN PLACE, BUT IT ALSO HAS MORE PEOPLE THERE.

AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE AND FIRST COMMUNITY, AND I'LL USE FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.

UM, FIRST COMMUNITIES THE SAME.

IT'S JUST THEY HAVE TREMENDOUS, UM, EVERYTHING, AMENITIES, STAFF, EVERY, EVERYTHING IS, IS REALLY GOOD BECAUSE THEY HAVE 450 PEOPLE.

AND IF YOU GO TO A NORMAL SINGLE LEVEL OF CARE COMMUNITY, YOU'RE GONNA FIND A HUNDRED TO 150 PEOPLE.

AND SO IF YOU WENT ON FACEBOOK, WHICH I DID, AND WHEN I WAS DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH, YOU WOULD SEE THE EVENTS.

AND SO YOU WOULD HAVE A CARD GAME AT, AT THE SMALLER PLACES, AND THERE MIGHT BE 12 PEOPLE THERE.

AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE, AND THERE WOULD BE 50 PEOPLE.

IT WOULD BE AN EVENT, AND IT WOULDN'T, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT WAS DANCING OR WHAT, WHATEVER THE THE CASE MAY BE.

UM, IT WAS JUST SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER.

AND SO I REALIZED THAT I WOULD RATHER DO THAT.

BUT THE REASON WHY YOU DON'T SEE MORE OF 'EM IS BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT OF LAND.

IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE TWO, THEY HAVE 20 PLUS ACRES.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE, UM, SENIOR COMMUNITY, IT'S FIVE ACRES.

AND SO YOU HAVE TO FIND THAT.

AND USUALLY IT'S SOME BIG COMPANY AND THEY COME IN DOWN AND THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO WHAT I DID.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THIS PARTICULAR PIECE, IT'S 13 PARCELS, AND SO IT'S SEVEN DIFFERENT OWNERS, SOME OF THEM NOT FROM THIS COUNTRY.

SO IT JUST TOOK A LOT OF WORK.

AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU JUST DON'T SEE THESE VERY OFTEN.

THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED, BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING YOU NEED IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF LAND.

AND SO, UM, IT TOOK ME TWO OR THREE YEARS TO GET THIS LAND.

AND SO WE STARTED BUILDING SOMETHING SPECIAL.

AND I, AND I'M FROM HERE.

I GREW UP IN BROOKSIDE, WHICH IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, UM, IT'S A COUPLE MILES AWAY.

WENT TO PERRY MIDDLE SCHOOL, LIVED BEHIND PERRY MIDDLE SCHOOL.

SO, SO I REALLY FELT LIKE THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE SOMETHING BACK.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL LAND.

UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M DOING WHAT I'M DOING.

SO I'VE, I'VE MADE SOME, UM, PRESENTATION SLIDES I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH, AND I'LL JUST GO OVER THOSE AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

SO THIS IS THE SITE LAYOUT.

UM, THIS IS, IT'S FOUR PHASES, FOUR BUILDINGS.

UM, PHASE ONE IS IN THE MIDDLE.

THAT'S 138 UNITS INDEPENDENT LIVING.

AND I DO SAY ASSISTED LIVING, INDEPENDENT LIVING, BECAUSE IT, IT DOES GET GRAY SOMETIMES.

YOU START AS AN INDEPENDENT LIVING AND YOU AGE IN PLACE.

AND SO THERE'LL BE SOME ASSISTED LIVING IN THOSE, IN THOSE AREAS AS WELL.

UM, PHASE TWO, I'VE SWITCHED THAT, THAT WAS OFFICES AND IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.

I'M SURE THEY'LL SHOW YOU THAT THERE WERE TWO OFFICES IN THE FRONT.

UM, THEY WERE FORCED IN THERE, PLUS IT PUSHED YOU INTO WHERE THE, THE WA THE FIRST LAKE IS, UM, CLOSEST TO PHASE TWO.

AND THERE'S SOME BEAUTIFUL TREES, WHICH WE ARE GOING AROUND, UM, WITH THOSE LAKES.

AND IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.

AND THE MAIN REASON I DID WHAT I DID RIGHT THERE IS THAT IS MEMORY CARE.

SO I WANNA HAVE CONTINUUM OF CARE.

I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT, UM, FOR, TO HAVE THAT IN THIS PROJECT.

AND SO THE FIRST BUILDING, IT'S $40 MILLION AT LEAST.

IT'S A LOT.

IT'S A BIG BUILDING.

AND SO THE SECOND BUILDING IS CONSIDERABLY SMALLER.

IT'S A ONE STORY BUILDING.

SO I WILL BE ABLE TO GET THAT ONE OUT THE GROUND A LOT FASTER THAN BUILDING THREE AND FOUR.

SO, AND PLUS I'LL HAVE CONTINUUM OF CARE.

SO THERE PHASE TWO IS, UM, LIKE I SAID, 32 MEMORY CARE UNITS.

THEN I PROBABLY WILL GO TO PHASE THREE, UM, THAT HAS MEMORY CARE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THEN ASSISTED LIVING ON THE UPPER FLOORS.

AND THERE COULD BE SOME INDEPENDENT LIVING AS WELL.

UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT'S 36, UH, MEMORY CARE UNITS AND 85, I THINK, ASSISTED LIVING UNITS.

AND THEN, UM, FINALLY WE'LL GO TO PHASE FOUR.

UH, THAT IS WHAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE THE MOST ACTIVE, UM, YOUNGEST GROUP.

UM, THERE ARE SOME REALLY LARGE UNITS IN THERE.

THERE'S, THERE'S LARGE UNITS THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, BUT UM, YOU'LL SEE IN THE ELEVATIONS, UM, THEY'RE PRETTY SPECTACULAR.

SO THAT IS THE SITE LAYOUT.

I JUST HAVE SOME VIEWS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'D PROBABLY UP 40 FEET.

I MEAN, IF I PUT YOU DOWN ON THE STREET, YOU WOULDN'T SEE ANYTHING.

SO, UM, THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU WHERE THINGS ARE.

SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE PHASE FOUR IS TOWARDS EMERALD PARKWAY, PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO IS UP FRONT.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S A SINGLE STORY, PHASE THREE ON SELMA PARKWAY.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER VIEW JUST TO, FOR PEOPLE, UM, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE.

AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE, I MEAN, THE BIGGEST THING HERE IS, IS PHASE TWO.

IT'S JUST A MUCH SMALLER BUILDING.

THIS IS FROM SELMA ROAD.

UM, YOU CAN SEE LARGE BALCONIES.

UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, THE FLAVOR OF THE ARCHITECTURE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROJECT.

UM, I THINK

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THAT, UM, IT'S, THEY'RE PUT BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK THAN THE OFFICE BUILDINGS THERE TO THE LEFT.

AND THIS IS AGAIN, LOOKING FROM AMMO PARKWAY JUST FURTHER NORTH.

ALL RIGHT, SO NOW THIS IS PHASE ONE.

SO IT WAS A LITTLE HARD TO TELL WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY WHERE PHASE ONE AND PHASE FOUR UM, STARTED.

SO THIS WOULD BE PHASE ONE.

AND AGAIN, WE HAVE TO PUT IN ALL THE UTILITIES, SO WE'RE GONNA PUT THE GRASSES.

SO IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT.

BUT ALL THE UTILITIES, THEY ACTUALLY GO INTO THE ROAD.

SO MOST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE PUT IN IMMEDIATELY.

THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF PHASE ONE.

AGAIN, I THINK WE DO A GOOD JOB ON THE CORNERS.

UM, WE INCREASE THE, UH, THE ROOF HEIGHT, WHICH GIVES HIGHER CEILINGS THERE, BUT ALSO GIVES SOME RELIEF IN THE ROOF ROOFING SYSTEM.

UM, LARGE BALCONIES THAT WRAP AROUND AT THE CORNERS.

UM, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY STONE AT THE FRONT ENTRY.

SO I THINK THAT IS A FAIRLY, THAT'S AN ATTRACTIVE ELEVATION.

SO THIS IS THE ACTIVITY COURTYARD.

IT'S A LOT OF THIS IS ABOUT AMENITIES.

WE'VE GOT SOCIALIZATION, UM, REALLY PREVENTING ISOLATION, GETTING PEOPLE TO BE ACTIVE.

AND SO WE ARE PICKLEBALL COURTS.

UM, THERE'LL BE BOCCE BALL, UH, THERE'S CROQUET.

I MEAN, THERE'LL BE FIRE PITS.

THIS WILL BE WHERE THE PRIMARY ACTIVITY IS.

UM, YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM LOWER, UM, PART, YOU CAN SEE THE GLASS WINDOWS DOWN THERE.

THAT'S AN INDOOR POOL ON THE FIRST LEVEL.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE ACTIVITY PART.

SO THE GREAT FALLS, UM, AS FROM BRIGHT ROAD DOWN TO THE CREEK.

AND SO WE DO HAVE RETAINING WALLS, BUT THIS IS OUTDOOR DINING.

WE'LL HAVE AT LEAST FOUR DINING FACILITIES.

BUT, UM, AND AGAIN, YOU'LL HAVE THE PATIOS AND YOU'LL HAVE FIRE PITS AND, AND THOSE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE GLASS DOORS, UM, UP THERE TOWARDS THE RIGHT.

THAT'S AN AUDITORIUM.

SO THE IDEA WOULD, IF WE WANNA HAVE A BAND PLAY FOR THE PEOPLE ON THE PATIO, UM, THEY COULD DO THAT IN THE SUMMER.

UM, AND THEN IT DOES WIND AROUND.

SO YOU CAN WALK ALL THE WAY DOWN, YOU CAN SEE TO THE LEFT, THAT'S ALL ON ONE LEVEL, BUT THEN IT STEPS DOWN, THE GRADE STEPS DOWN, AND THERE'LL BE PATIOS ALONG THERE AS WELL.

I BRING THE SUB GARDENING'S A, YOU KNOW, IS VERY IMPORTANT.

YOU SEE FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE, THEY'RE SPECTACULAR.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT THEY HAVE A HIGHER DEMAND THAN THEY DO SUPPLY.

AND SO YOU REALLY CAN'T DO THAT FOR SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS OUTTA THE YEAR IN COLUMBUS, OHIO.

SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA DO A GREENHOUSE AND, AND THAT ACTUALLY TAKES THE SUN, THE SUN GOES ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UM, WHICH, SO THAT SHOULD WORK WELL.

AND SO I HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT IN THE BACK BECAUSE THE SUN IS GOING TO BLOCK A LOT OF THE AREAS IN THE BACK.

AND SO, UM, BUT I THINK WE CAN GET THE PLANTERS FURTHER, FAR ENOUGH BACK THAT THEY WILL STILL WORK.

BUT THE POINT IS, IS TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE ACTIVE YEAR ROUND.

UH, THIS IS THE MAIN, THIS IS PHASE ONE WHERE MAJORITY OF THE ACTIVITIES ARE, THERE'S GONNA BE ACTIVITIES IN OTHER, UM, BUILDINGS, BUT WE'VE WORKED THIS ONE OUT THE MOST.

SO IF YOU START ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WHERE IT SAYS ACTIVITY COURTYARD, SO YOU SEE THE WORKOUT ROOM THAT'S ACTUALLY ELEVATED 10 FEET OR SO, NINE OR 10 FEET ABOVE THE GROUND.

SO, SO THEY'LL, YOU COULD IMAGINE THERE'S GONNA BE A GLASS WINDOWS THERE.

PEOPLE WILL BE WORKING OUT, THEY'LL BE LOOKING DOWN INTO THAT COURTYARD WITH, YOU KNOW, THE BOCE BALL COURTS AND THE PICKLEBALL AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE DONE.

THERE'LL BE REALLY WELL LANDSCAPED AS WELL.

AND THEN YOU COME AROUND, YOU SEE THE BUSINESS CENTER AND THE LIBRARY GRAB AND GO SO THAT WE WILL HAVE FRUIT, UM, COFFEE AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT IF PEOPLE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, GET GOING IN THE MORNING.

DON'T WANT US HAVE A FULL BREAKFAST.

THAT'S THE AUDITORIUM THAT I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THAT OVERLOOKS THE OUTDOOR OR TO THE SIDE OF THE OUTDOOR, UM, DINING.

SO YOU CAN OPEN THAT UP.

IT'LL BE USED FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND AGAIN, GOLF SIMULATOR, UM, IT SLOPES, DOWN'S THE GARAGE ENTRY'S BACK THERE, AND YOU KEEP, KEEP ON COMING AROUND.

YOU SEE THE KITCHEN AGAIN, THE MULTIPLE DINING.

SO I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE SMALLER DINING.

I, I DON'T LIKE THE CAFETERIA EFFECT OF, UM, THAT YOU SEE IN A LOT OF INSTITUTIONAL ISH, UM, FACILITIES.

SO MY GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE REMOVABLE WALLS, BECAUSE YOU ARE GONNA HAVE THE CHRISTMAS AND OTHER CELEBRATIONS LIKE THAT, THAT YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE, UM, OR SPEAKERS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU'RE WANNA OPEN IT UP.

BUT THEY'LL, AGAIN, THERE'LL BE MULTIPLE DINING FACILITIES, DOCTOR'S OFFICES, PROBABLY DENTISTS, NOT PROBABLY, UM, DURING THE FIRST PHASE, 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE PEOPLE.

BUT FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE DEFINITELY HAS A DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, WHEN WE GET ALL FOUR PHASES UP, THAT WE WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT AS WELL.

AND SO THAT'S A FRONT, UH, GARDEN COURTYARD.

UM,

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AND THAT WILL BE AN ALL GLASS WALL THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE DINING AREA RIGHT THERE.

SO, UH, THERE'LL BE PRIVATE SPACES, SEE THE CHAPEL SPA, SALON GUARD ROOM.

UM, AGAIN, THERE'S THE LOBBY AND THE ADMINISTRATION ROOM.

SO THEN WE HAVE PHASE TWO.

THIS IS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE.

THIS IS THE IMPORTANCE ABOUT CONTINUUM OF CARE.

SO AT THIS POINT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HANDLE INDEPENDENT LIVING, ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE AS FAR AS THE LAYOUT FOR THAT BUILDING.

SO THEIR HOUSEHOLDS, THAT'S CHANGED IN, IN RECENT YEARS.

SO THEY, THEY MAKE EVERYTHING SMALLER.

THEY, THEY BASICALLY CREATE FAMILY ROOMS AND THEY CREATE ENVIRONMENTS SIMILAR TO YOUR RESIDENTIAL HOME.

AND SO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO CIRCULATE.

YOU DON'T WANT DEAD ENDS.

SO YOU CAN SEE I HAVE THE, THE BLACK LINE THAT THEY'RE DESIGNATES, YOU KNOW, UH, HOUSEHOLD NUMBER ONE FROM HOUSEHOLD NUMBER TWO, THAT'S MEMORY GARDEN.

YOU CAN SEE THE PRIVATE SPACES IN THERE.

UH, HOUSEHOLD TWO HAS TWO MEMORY GARDENS AS FAR AS OUR, UM, BEDS UNITS OR, UM, THERE, I THINK THE MINIMUM IS 340 SQUARE FEET.

IF YOU GO AND YOU LOOK AT THE ONES, UM, AROUND, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONES, UM, THAT ARE CURRENTLY BUILT, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE REALLY LARGE COMPARED TO A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE.

EVEN GANSHORN, WHICH IS ONE OF THE NICEST, UM, FACILITIES THAT'S IN POWELL, I THINK ITS AVERAGE IS PROBABLY 270 SQUARE FEET.

SO WE'RE QUITE A BIT BIGGER.

THEY, THEY HAVE FOUR OUTTA 64 THAT ARE 400 SQUARE FEET.

UM, BUT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SIT IN THERE.

SO YOU COME IN AND YOU, YOU'RE GONNA SIT WITH SOMEONE THAT HAS MEMORY ISSUES YOU WANT, YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COUCH, YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SIT IN THAT ROOM.

AND SO YOU, IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO THAT WHEN YOU DO IT WITH 270 SQUARE FEET.

SO OURS ARE, OURS ARE MUCH DEEPER WITH THE INTENT OF DOING THAT.

THIS IS AN ELEVATION.

SO I DID TWO ELEVATIONS, UM, FOR THIS ONE.

THAT'S THE FRONT EL ELEVATION, UH, COMING IN OFF OF THE ENTRY OFF OF BRIGHT ROAD.

AND THEN THIS IS THE ONE OFF OF BRIGHT ROAD, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN, THERE'S BEEN A LADY THAT, THAT LIVES ACROSS THE STREET, AND SHE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

THIS WOULD BE LOOKING FROM HER CONDO ACROSS THE STREET.

YOU CAN SEE THE MOUNDING.

I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE TREES THERE, BUT IF WE PUT THE TREES AND STUFF, YOU WOULDN'T NOT SEE IN THE BUILDING.

SO WE'RE GOING TO SHIELD THAT FROM, FROM BRIGHT ROAD.

SO THEN WE MOVED TO PHASE THREE.

AGAIN, THIS HAS, UM, MEMORY CARE IN THE FIRST FLOOR.

IT, IT WILL HAVE 36 UNITS THAT WILL HAVE TWO HOUSEHOLDS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THEN IT'LL HAVE ASSISTED LIVING ON THE UPPER FLOORS, AND THE DINING WILL BE ON THE FOURTH FLOOR.

SO THIS IS THE ENTRY.

SO YOU WOULD COME IN, UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S AN ACCESS OFF OF, UH, SAW MILL RIGHT NOW.

YOU'D COME IN OFF THAT IT'S A SHARED ACCESS WITH THE OFFICE BUILDING.

YOU'D TAKE A RIGHT, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE.

AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE BALCONIES.

AND WE ARE, WE ARE STEPPING UP THE, UM, ROOF HEIGHTS IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS.

I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE PRE VIEWS.

UM, THIS IS FROM SAWMILL TOWARDS LIFETIME.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE, SO YOU CAN SEE THE BIG WRAPAROUND BALCONIES, AND YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, UP WHERE THE WHITE TRIM IS IN THE, IN THE LARGE WINDOWS.

THAT'S THE DINING AREA.

SO YOU CAN IMAGINE YOU ARE GONNA SIT, THERE'S GONNA BE TALL CEILINGS, AND YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING DOWN THE COURTYARD AND ACROSS THE CREEK.

AND THERE'S OUTDOOR DINING UP THERE AS WELL.

I THINK IT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE ELEVATION.

THEN WE JUMP TO PHASE FOUR, SO THAT THIS IS, YOU CAN SEE THE LINE CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT SAYS FOUR.

THAT'S THE BREAK OFF POINT.

AND SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S THE FINAL PHASE WITH THIS.

AND THIS IS THE ENTRY.

LARGE BALCONIES, AGAIN, TAKING ADVANTAGE IF YOU CAN SEE IT UP THERE, LARGE ON THE CORNERS.

UM, THE DIFFERENT ROOF LINES, AGAIN, I THINK THAT GIVES SOME INTEREST.

AND THIS IS A COURTYARD.

UM, IT'D PROBABLY BE MORE OF A PRIVATE COURTYARD.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS ABOUT THIS IS WE WE'RE DOING FOUR PHASES.

WE'RE GOING OUT, YOU KNOW, SIX YEARS, SEVEN YEARS.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS.

I, MAYBE IT'S A LA THERE'S A LAP POOL IN THERE.

WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT STUFF OUT.

BUT, UM, REGARDLESS, IT'LL BE VERY NICE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE GRAY'S FALLING, BECAUSE AT THE BOTTOM YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE, UM, AT THE VERY BOTTOM WHERE YOU SEE THE STONE, THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE GARAGE LEVEL.

THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER NICE ELEVATION.

THIS IS A SHOT FROM THE SIDE.

AND YOU, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE GRADE IS FALLING TO.

IT'S, SO NOW YOU CAN SEE THE RETAINING WALLS, UM, UP THERE WHERE THE LAKES ARE.

AND SO THERE'S ABOUT A SIX FOOT, UM, DROP FROM ONE LAKE TO THE NEXT.

AND SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THAT CAN BE VERY WELL LANDSCAPED, YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN HAVE A NICE WATERFALL THERE TOO AS WELL.

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THIS IS THE ENTRY, UM, THE WA WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A WATER METER BUILDING.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT, UM, THE SIGNAGE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S LEFT OVER.

BUT, UM, STAFF WANTS TO WORK ON THE SI ON THE SIGNAGE LATER.

SO I THINK GO THROUGH EVERY GARAGE, UM, DURING THAT PHASE.

BUT SO, UM, PHASE ONE, THREE AND FOUR ALL HAVE UNDERGROUND PARKING.

YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE 439 PARKING SPACES.

296 ARE UNDERGROUND, WHICH IS NICE FOR SENIORS.

AND YOU DON'T FIND THAT VERY OFTEN.

UM, FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE AND FIRST COMMUNITY, BOTH ALL THEIR NEW STUFF HAS UNDERGROUND PARKING, BUT THEIR OLD, OLD STUFF, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF IT, THEY HAVE FOUR 50 UNITS, 70 OF IT'S NEW, AND THE REST IS NOT.

AND SO, UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA BE IN DEMAND.

IT ALSO HELPS JUST WITH NOT HAVING AS MANY PARKING SPACES ON THE SURFACE, JUST MORE ATTRACTIVE.

SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S GONNA COMMENT ON THIS, THE OPEN SPACE.

I, I THINK UNDERSTANDING LOCK COVERAGE, I MEAN, THEY'RE KIND OF THE INVERSE OF EACH OTHER, BUT IF YOU SAY LOT COVERAGE, YOU SAY HARDSCAPES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND, UM, I'VE BROKEN THIS UP.

THERE'S TWO, THERE'S, THERE'S 17 ACRES IN THE, IN THE GREEN PART, AND THERE'S 4.4 OR SO, UH, 4.46, UH, IN THE BLUE AREA.

BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT WHAT OUR LOT COVERAGE ARE, HARDSCAPE COVERAGE IS, IF, UM, WE DON'T JUST ON THE GREEN PART, IT'S 48%.

IF YOU INCLUDE AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING IN THE BLUE THAT'S 38%.

NEITHER ONE OF THEM ARE HIGH IN MY MIND.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU COMPARE THESE TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S OUT THERE.

AND SO, UM, I THINK REGARDLESS, WE DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF CLOCK COVERAGE, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE, AND THE IDEA IS TO HAVE WALKING PATHS.

AND SO, UM, WE HAVE THESE MEANDERINGS, SO I'M JUST THINKING THAT PEOPLE GET UP AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO WALK WITH THEIR FRIENDS, AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF THAT.

WE, THE YELLOW IS A, UH, FIRE ACCESS ROAD, WHICH WILL JUST DOUBLE, UM, AS A WALKING PATH.

AND SO, UM, THE IDEA IS YOU CAN WALK THROUGH THERE AND THEN IF OBVIOUSLY YOU GET, YOU CAN CONNECT TO THE DUBLIN PATHS AND YOU CAN WALK AS FAR AS YOU WANT.

THIS IS JUST SOME INSPIRATIONAL STUFF.

UM, WHAT I THINK THE WATERFALL, I MEAN, I THINK YOU CAN LIGHT IT UP WHETHER WE FALL, YOU KNOW, SIX FEET AT ONCE, OR WHETHER YOU DO, YOU KNOW, 2, 2, 2, YOU KNOW, OR WE DO THREE, WHATEVER THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT IT'S A VERY NICE WATERFALL.

IT'S, IT IS LIT UP.

AND, AND I THINK IT CAN BE VERY ATTRACTIVE AND WE NEED TO STEP THE GRADE.

I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE ROUNDABOUT AND YOU SAY THAT'S ELEVATION, AND SO PEOPLE CALL IT EIGHT NINETY SEVEN, BUT IF YOU JUST CALL IT ZERO FOR EASY MATH, AND YOU LOOK AT THE CREEK, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT MINUS 12.

AND SO AS YOU'RE COMING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT.

UM, SO YOU'VE GOT A STEP AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE OPEN GREEN AREAS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LANDSCAPE AND DO THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, BUT I DO, I MEAN, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT LOOK REALLY NICE.

AND I'M A FAN OF THE LARGER BOULDERS.

AND SO, UM, WE'RE, WE HAVE THAT THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE AREA.

SO THE CONCEPT, I, YOU KNOW, I, I SAID I WAS GOING TO REFER TO FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE.

THEY DO IT AS WELL AS ANYONE, UM, THEM IN FIRST COMMUNITY.

BUT THIS IS THE CONCEPT, AND I USE THIS BECAUSE IT'S CLOSER, SO PEOPLE PROBABLY RECOGNIZE THIS MORE, UM, THAN FIRST COMMUNITY, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT'S A RECTANGULAR SHAPE SIMILAR TO OURS.

THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

AND, AND AGAIN, I HAVE NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THEM.

UM, AND SO NUMBER ONE IS THE STUFF THAT THEY BUILT IN TWO, 2019 ISH.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S ON THE NORTH PART, THE SITE UP THERE, IF YOU LOOK, AND THEN YOU GO TO THE RIGHT, YOU SEE NUMBER TWO.

AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT WAS BUILT IN THE NINETIES.

UM, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE UP UNTIL THEIR NEW STUFF, IT, EVEN ON, ON THAT PRODUCT THEY HAD, THEY SAID THEY HAD THREE BALCONIES OUT OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT, WHICH IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT YOU WOULD BUILD THAT MANY WITHOUT BALCONIES.

BUT, UM, YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE.

UH, SO THREE IS ALSO, THEY BUILT THAT AROUND THE SAME TIME AS NUMBER ONE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST, THAT'S GOT UNDERGROUND PARKING.

THERE ARE LARGE UNITS.

UM, THEN YOU GO ABOVE THAT, YOU CAN SEE THREE HOW YOU ACCESS, UM, THE UNDERGROUND PARKING THERE.

YOU CAN SEE, UM, THEY'RE RAISED GARDENS.

THEY'RE SPECTACULAR.

I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T EVEN DO IT JUSTICE.

I MEAN, IF YOU GOT CLOSER AND IT'S BLOOMING, IT'S JUST, IT LOOKS REALLY NICE.

THEY JUST DO A FANTASTIC JOB.

AND THEN FOUR IS THEIR ORIGINAL STUFF THAT THEY BUILT IN 19, I THINK 87.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT SMALLER WINDOWS, PROBABLY EIGHT FOOT CEILINGS, UM, NO BALCONIES.

UM, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY BUILT BACK THEN.

AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE.

AND THEN, UM, THE VILLAS, AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS NOT GONNA SUPPORT

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DEVELOPMENT ON IT WHERE IT WAS BLUE BEFORE.

THE ONLY REASON I'M DOING THIS IS, AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT PART OF SENIOR HOUSING.

I DON'T HAVE THE ROOM TO DO VERY MANY, SO IT'S NOT THAT COST EFFECTIVE BECAUSE I HAVE TO PUT A LIFT STATION, A BRIDGE IN, IN A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE FOR NOT VERY MANY UNITS, BUT IT IS A WAY TO SAVE MONEY.

UM, MY DAD HAS SOME FRIENDS THAT ARE AT EITHER FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE OR FIRST COMMUNITY, AND ONE OF 'EM IS IN ONE TYPE OF LIVING, AND THE OTHER ONE IS IN THE OTHER.

AND THEY'RE SPENDING $18,000 A YEAR OR $18,000 A MONTH.

AND THAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, UM, WHERE IF YOU HAVE A VILLA, YOU CAN, YOU CAN MOVE SOMEONE IN, YOUR HUSBAND CAN TAKE CARE OF THE WIFE OR VICE VERSA.

UM, I HAVE A FRIEND THAT, THAT SHE WORKS AT, UM, VICTORIA, AND HER DAD HAD ALZHEIMER'S.

HE JUST PASSED AWAY, BUT HE WAS AT A, HE WAS AT A MEMORY CARE FACILITY AND THEY WERE PAYING $9,000.

AND SHE SAID THAT THEY WERE NOT TAKING CARE OF HIM, AND THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE TO, OR THEY DON'T, PART OF THE REASON THEY DON'T IS 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SO, IT'S HARD TO TALK TO 'EM AND SEE IF THEY DID SOMETHING.

AND SHE'S A NURSE TOO, AND SHE'S LIKE, I KNOW THEY'RE NOT.

SO SHE ENDED UP MOVING GUYS AT HAWTHORNE COMMONS, WHICH IS CLOSE TO THIS, AND SHE WENT AND GOT A ONE BEDROOM DENT, AND SHE LIVED IN THE DEN.

AND SO INSTEAD OF SPENDING 9,000 PLUS WHATEVER SHE WOULD SPEND, SHE SPENT 2000 AND SHE, UM, THEN HIRED SOMEONE TO, TO TAKE CARE OF HER DAD DURING THE DAY, WHICH IS A LOT CHEAPER.

AND SO, UM, THE VILLAS, THEY, THEY DO OFFER THAT OPTION.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD AT LEAST BRING THAT UP AND, AND, UH, FIRST COMMUNITY HAS THE SAME THING.

AND THIS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, I JUST, I ADMIRE WHAT THEY DO.

SO I THINK IT IS A DIFFERENT, THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK WHEN YOU THINK SENIOR HOUSING.

AND SO MOST PEOPLE THINK NURSING, FRANKLY, BUT, UM, AND THEY'RE JUST ACTIVE PEOPLE.

AND YOU CAN SEE WHEN I SAY THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER IN THE, IN BOTH PLACES WHERE THE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.

AND SO, UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE PRETTY ACTIVE.

AND SO THE AVERAGE AGE WHEN I WENT THERE IN 2019 WAS 83.

SO, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE 83.

UH, BUT THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE.

AND AGAIN, JUST, THEY JUST DO A GREAT JOB.

SO I HAVE AN INDOOR POOL.

YOU REALLY, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE POOLS ARE THE LARGE CRCS.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE THESE PEOPLE, I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS FROM FACEBOOK, SO IT WAS EASY TO GO THERE.

AND THAT, THAT'S WHERE YOU REALLY GET, YOU KNOW, A FEEL FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE JUST REMAINING ACTIVE.

AND THIS IS A ONSITE, THIS IS OFFSITE.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO PICTURE TO THE POPS AND THEY'RE CANOEING AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, UM, SO THIS, THIS IS, I, THIS IS THE ENERGY.

I THINK THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE PEOPLE'S LIVES BETTER WHEN THEY'RE GETTING, WHEN THEY'RE OLDER, YOU KEEP PEOPLE BUSY.

AND AGAIN, YOU CAN IMAGINE IF YOU ONLY HAVE A, IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE VERSUS 400 PEOPLE, WHAT, WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE IS YOU'RE JUST GONNA CUT ALL THAT BY LIKE A THREE QUARTERS.

AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I THINK THE CCRC IS, IS SO IMPORTANT.

THIS IS ONSITE OTHER THAN THE PICKLEBALL.

SO, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THERE, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PLAYING WIFFLE BALL.

I MEAN, THIS, THE, THERE'S THE WALKING PASS.

I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT'S A GOOD PICTURE.

'CAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S ON DUBLIN ROAD, WHICH IS STILL FINE.

BUT, UM, WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL, I MEAN, WE HAVE THIS CREEK THAT, THAT HAS WATER IN IT CONSTANTLY.

AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE VERY ATTRACTIVE.

AND SO, I MEAN, I JUST, THIS IS THIS, I MEAN, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YOU HAVE BEEN ON SITE, SO YOU'VE GOT TO SEE IT AND YOU UNDERSTAND HOW PRETTY THIS LAND IS.

AND LASTLY, SO, SO THAT'S SOME OF THE GARDENS UP THE, UP AT THE TOP OF FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE.

BUT, AND THEN FIRST COMMUNITY AND FRIENDSHIP VILLAGES, UM, THEY, THEY HAVE THESE WALKING PATHS THAT ARE REALLY NICE.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE UNITS.

I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST, IT'S, THEY'RE REALLY NICE.

UM, EVERYTHING THEY DO IS REALLY NICE.

WITH THAT SAID, HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT TO PAY, YOU KNOW, UM, AT LEAST AT ONE OF THEM.

AND SO IF YOU GO TO THEIR SMALLEST PLAN, THEY HAVE TWO, THEY HAVE BASICALLY TWO PLANS.

THEY HAVE THE, YOU'RE ALWAYS DOING EQUITY NO MATTER WHAT.

AND SO ONE WAY YOU GET 0% OF YOUR EQUITY BACK, AND THE OTHER WAY YOU GET 80% OF YOUR EQUITY BACK.

AND SO THEY TAKE 2% A MONTH.

SO AFTER 50 MONTHS, IF YOU'RE ON THE ZERO, YOU'RE DONE.

AND SO 377 IS THE CHEAPEST, AND YOU CAN SEE IT GETS WHATEVER, HOWEVER YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT.

9 22, 1,000,006.

AND SO, UM, THAT IS SUBSTANTIAL.

AND SO, UM, I'M GONNA TRY AND BE MORE COMPETITIVE THAN THAT.

AND SO I THINK BY HAVING MORE OPTIONS, I THINK IT COULD HELP THAT PRICING.

UM, I CERTAINLY RUN NUMBERS AND I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO BE THERE.

AND SO, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO TRY AND DO.

SO THEN I, I LOOK, I TALK ABOUT DENSITY AND LOCK LOT COVERAGE.

AND SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE, THESE ARE SENIOR, UM, COMMUNITIES IN DUBLIN.

AND I JUST, WHEN I SAY SOMETIMES WHEN I SAY STUFF, YOU KNOW, SEEING IS BELIEVING THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THE DENSITY FOR, YOU KNOW, SENIOR COMMUNITIES IN DUBLIN, THEIR LOT COVERAGE.

AND SO, UM, WHEN I SAY EVEN AT 48%,

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I'M WAY LESS THAN ANYTHING UP THERE.

UM, AND SO IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

AND IT ALSO GOES TO SHOW YOU CAN'T GET, THERE'S THERE FIVE EIGHT, WELL, THAT'S EXCEPT FOR HAWTHORNE COMMONS, BECAUSE THAT, THOSE ARE MORE CONDO ISH, UM, BUT STILL PRETTY DENSE.

AND THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE IN ALL THE OTHER PLACES.

YOU KNOW, STONE OAK, I MENTIONED AT TOP, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S A LOT OF PAVEMENT.

UM, AND IT'S, IT'S DAVIDSON ROAD, UM, PALINO LIVING ON SELMA ROAD.

UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WALKING PASSAGE.

SO, AND YOU CAN JUST SEE THAT THEY'RE JUST SMALLER.

THEY ARE REALLY NICE.

AND SO I DON'T MEAN TO BELITTLE THEM BECAUSE BY, IF YOU DIDN'T SEE FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE AND YOU DIDN'T SEE FIRST COMMUNITY, YOU'D SAY THEY .

I MEAN, BUT ONCE YOU SEE THOSE, YOU JUST SEE THE, THE DIFFERENCE.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.

AND THAT'S IT.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO STAFF, I DO WANNA, UM, UH, CALL OUT, WHILE THE ACOUSTICS IN THIS ROOM MAKE IT VERY NICE, IN SOME WAYS, IN SOME OTHER WAYS, WHISPERING CAN BE HEARD EVEN EASIER THAN THE PODIUM.

SO IF WE COULD KEEP THE, THE CHATTER TO A VERY MINIMUM, THAT WILL HELP EVERYONE HERE.

NOT JUST WHAT THE APPLICANT SAYS, BUT ALSO STAFF AND PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN WE COME TO THAT PERIOD.

SO, ASIM, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.

WE ARE AT, UH, WITH THIS CURRENT, UM, VERSION, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE 2022, UM, PROPOSAL.

COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, WANTED TO, UH, JUST GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW, EXCUSE ME, OF THE LOCATION AND THE CONTEXT, AND THEN THE, WHERE WE ARE IN THIS, UH, APPROVAL PROCESS.

UM, AS, AS YOU ARE AWARE, IT IS, UH, SURROUNDED BY BRIGHT ROAD SAW ROAD AND EMERALD PARKWAY.

UH, THE NEW MATT CARMEL HOSPITAL IS, UH, JUST TO THE SOUTH LIFETIME FITNESS IS TO THE NORTH.

UH, THERE'S A OFFICE BY NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE PARK AT THE CORNER OF BRIGHT AND SAWMILL ROAD, AND THEN, UH, THE VILLAGE OF INVERNESS, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WEST OF AERD PARKWAY.

SO TO, TO SET THE CONTEST, THE, UH, REQUEST HERE IS FOR, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING.

THE PROCESS FOR THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION STARTS WITH AN OPTIONAL INFORMAL REVIEW, AND THEN A CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW, WHICH, UH, UH, THE APPLICANT, AS HE MENTIONED, UM, HAS BEEN BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THREE TIMES FOR DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF A CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE.

SO AT THIS POINT, WE ARE AT THE STAGE OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING, WHICH, UH, AS YOU SEE IN THE CHART, IT'S, UH, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PLAN DISTRICT, INCLUDING A DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT SETS THE STANDARDS THAT BECOME THE ZONING CODE FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING SITE LAYOUT, OPEN SPACE, AND CIRCULATION.

AT THIS STAGE, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC DETAILS.

WE ARE NOT, UH, SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSING THE PLANT SPECIES OR SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OR SIGNAGE OR LIGHTING.

IT'S THE, THE BIGGER PICTURE.

AND THEN WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION, THIS MOVES ON TO CITY COUNCIL.

IF COUNCIL APPROVES THAT, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL, AT WHICH TIME WE, WE LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE REMAINING DETAILS.

SO WITH THAT, I WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL REZONING.

'CAUSE THE CURRENT SITE CONSISTS OF MULTIPLE PARCELS IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND THE, UH, PROPOSAL WOULD REZONE ALL OF THOSE INTO THIS NEW PLANNED, UH, UNIT DISTRICT, UH, OUT OF THOSE PARCELS.

THE ONES AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, THERE ARE THREE THAT ARE OWNED BY THE CITY OF DUBLIN.

AND THE APPLICANT IS IN, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ABOUT TRADING THOSE PARCELS FOR A COUPLE OF PARCELS THAT HE OWNS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BRIGHT ROAD.

SO AS THAT PROGRESSES TO COUNCIL, THAT, UH, TRADE AGREEMENT WILL BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

THERE'S ALSO A SMALL PARCEL, UH, THAT YOU SEE OUTLINED IN RED THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE, UH, MILCO OFFICE PARK, UH, PLANT COMMERCE DISTRICT.

UH, THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO TRADE THAT OR TO EXCHANGE THAT PARCEL FOR A VERY SMALL SLIVER AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THAT, UH, PARCEL.

SO IT MAKES IT, IT MAKES FOR A MORE COHESIVE SITE VERSUS THE PANHANDLE OF THAT SPECIFIC, UM, AREA, UM, ENCROACHING INTO THE OVERALL SITE.

THE REST OF IT IS ZONED EITHER R ONE, WHICH IS SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, OR DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, COMMERCIAL PLANT DISTRICTS.

UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL VACANT HOMES RIGHT NOW ON THOSE, UH, PARCELS THAT WOULD

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BE, UH, DEMOLISHED.

AND, UH, WITH, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE.

UH, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, AS YOU SEE ON THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER, UH, THAT'S THE PRINCIPAL USES ENVISIONED FOR THAT TYPE OF, UH, LAND USE ARE OFFICE, MEDICAL OFFICE, AND INSTITUTIONAL OFFICE.

UH, IT INCLUDES SUPPORTING USES, BEING CIVIC, UH, AND EXCUSE ME, AND INSTITUTIONAL, INCLUDING ASSISTED LIVING.

THE, UH, TYPICAL DENSITIES FOR THAT ARE A LITTLE LESS THAN WHAT YOU NECESSARILY SEE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE, UH, UH, CATERING FOR, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, POTENTIAL LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY FOR THAT GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, THE SIX.

SO IN MANY CASES, IT LIMITS IT TO TWO STORIES WITH, UH, CLUSTER BUILDINGS.

UH, WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE THOUGH THAT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE THAT YOU SEE IN GREEN ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, IS DESIGNATED AS, UH, PARK AND OPEN SPACE.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT, UH, WHAT THE TITLE IMPLIES.

IT'S INTENDED FOR EITHER PUBLIC PARKS OR OPEN SPACES OR, UH, NATURAL AREAS THAT ARE SET ASIDE FOR, UH, UH, TO, TO KEEP 'EM NATURAL.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

THE SITE IS ALSO WITHIN THE, UM, EMERALD CORRIDOR SPECIAL AREA PLAN, WHICH IS, UH, A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE EMERALD CORRIDOR FROM TUNNEL CROSSING ALL THE WAY TO SOER ROAD.

THERE ARE SPECIFIC SECTIONS WITHIN THAT AREA PLAN THAT FOCUS ON THE DIFFERENT, UH, SUB AREAS.

AND SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS, EXCUSE ME, THE NORTHEAST, UH, TERMINUS, IF YOU WILL, OF THAT CORRIDOR PLAN.

AND YOU CAN SEE HINTS OF EDGES OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING WITHIN THE BLUE AREA, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS ALSO DESIGNATED AS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE.

BUT THERE ARE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT PRESERVING, UH, THE GREEN CHARACTER ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY AND ALSO PROTECTING THE STREAM CORRIDOR AT THE WOODLAND AREAS.

SO THOSE, AGAIN FACTORED INTO THE REVIEW OF THIS APPLICATION.

SO I MENTIONED THE, UH, PREVIOUS THREE CONCEPT PLANS THAT WERE, UH, PRESENTED TO THIS COMMISSION BEFORE.

THE FIRST ONE WAS IN JANUARY OF 2020, AND INCLUDED, UH, SEVERAL FIVE STORY BUILDINGS, UH, SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE SITE, AND THEN A FEW SMALLER RESIDENTIAL TYPE BUILDINGS, UH, CLOSER TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

AT THE TIME, THE COMMISSION SUPPORTED THE, UH, SENIOR HOUSING AND, UH, HEALTHCARE TYPE OF USES, GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF, OF THE AREA WHERE THE FITNESS, UH, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FITNESS BEING TO THE NORTH, AND AGAIN, MEDICAL USES TO THE SOUTH, BUT EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE DENSITY, THE FIVE STORY HEIGHT, UH, WHERE THE BUILDINGS WERE LOCATED ON THE SITE.

AND WITH RESPECT TO THE NATURAL FEATURES, UH, THE ARCHITECTURE, AND ESPECIALLY THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NORTHWEST CORNER.

APPLICANT CAME BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2021, AND AT THAT TIME, THEY ALSO HAD A CONTRACT FOR THE PROPERTY AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, OFF OF EMER PARKWAY AND BRIGHT ROAD.

AND, UM, SHOWED A LITTLE LESS INTENSE DEVELOPMENT ON THE INITIAL SITE, BUT COMPLIMENTED BY SOME OF THE USES THAT MR. NEWCOMB WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SENIOR VILLAS AND THE SUPPORT SERVICES.

THE COMMISSION SUPPORTED THE SYNERGY, AGAIN IN TERMS OF THE, UH, OVERALL, UM, USE, BUT EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL USES BEING OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND EMPHASIZE THE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE PRESERVATION OF BILLINGSLEY CREEK AND ANY IMPACTS ON ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO WITH THAT INPUT, THE APPLICANT CAME BACK AGAIN IN JANUARY OF 2022, AND, UH, SCALED THE DEVELOPMENT WAY BACK.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, INCLUDED A SERIES OF THREE AND FOUR STORY BUILDINGS IN THE BACK THAT WERE, UH, INTENDED TO COMPLEMENT THE, THE CREEK, UM, AND THEN INCLUDED A COUPLE OF SMALL OFFICE BUILDINGS AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

THE NORTHWEST CORNER WAS LEFT IN ITS NATURAL STATE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW, UH, PATHWAYS.

AND THEN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER WAS COMPLIMENTED BY SOME STORM, UH, RETENTION PONDS WITH AMENITIES SURROUNDING THEM.

THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME, UH, SUPPORTED THE REDUCTION IN, IN THE INTENSITY AND APPRECIATED THE, UH, RESPONSIVENESS OF THE APPLICANT AND ENCOURAGED CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPOSAL.

SO THAT GETS US TO WHERE

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THE, UH, ONE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE NOW THE MEMORY CARE, UH, PROPOSED STRUCTURE, UH, WHICH MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF HOW IT COMPLIMENTS THE REST OF THE USES ON THE SITE.

THE BUILDINGS ARE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS IN THE SAME ORIENTATION AS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED.

AND THE OTHER DIFFERENCE, AND MR. NEWCOMB REFERENCED IT, IS FOR EMERGENCY, UH, PURPOSES, EMERGENCY ACCESS PURPOSES, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTED AN ACCESS DRIVE ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

SO THEY HAVE IT DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY THAT, UH, WHEN IT'S NOT USED FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS, IT IS PART OF THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY SYSTEM.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, UH, WILL RECOMMEND IS THAT AS THERE AS, UM, NOTED, THERE'S UNDERGROUND PARKING HERE WITH ACCESS AT THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THAT I POINT OUT IN A, IN A MINUTE.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEDESTRIAN PATH AROUND THOSE AREAS IS SEPARATED FROM VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, THAT THAT MAY BE DRIVING INTO THE GARAGES.

IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, IN ADDITION TO THE LAND USE, THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CHARACTER OF EVERY THOROUGHFARE AND THE DESIGNATION FOR, UM, EVERY STREET.

AND SO THE EMERALD PARKWAY CORRIDOR IN THIS AREA IS, UH, LISTED AS A COMMUTER BOULEVARD WITH A TRADITIONAL DUBLIN CHARACTER, WHICH, UH, INCLUDES LARGER SETBACKS, UH, MINIMUM OF A HUNDRED FEET, AND, UH, MORE OF A NATURAL, UH, CHARACTER ALONG THE ROADWAY.

THE, UH, IT'S ALSO LISTED AS A CORRIDOR OF SIGNIFICANCE, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF THE MAJOR ROADWAYS AND THEIR IMPACTS.

AND AGAIN, IN THIS CASE, THE EMPHASIS IS ON MAINTAINING THE NA NATURAL, UH, CHARACTER.

BRIGHT ROAD IS AS A NEIGHBORHOOD BOULEVARD WITH A RIVER CORRIDOR CHARACTER, UH, THAT CHARACTER USUALLY IS A MUCH NARROWER THAN BRIGHT ROAD IS IN THIS LOCATION.

UH, IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE RECENTLY, BRIGHT ROAD HAS BEEN WIDENED TO FOUR LANES WITH A, WITH, UH, IT'S A BOULEVARD WITH A, WITH A TURN LANE.

AND IN FACT, THE CURB CUT FOR ACCESS TO THIS SITE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED, UH, AS PART OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE IT IS PRETTY MUCH SET, UH, UH, FOR WHERE IT COULD BE LOCATED.

THE, UH, SO ROAD IS AN ARTERIAL AND OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S JURISDICTION, SO THERE'S NOT MUCH DISCUSSION ABOUT ITS CHARACTER.

UM, COUPLE THINGS I WOULD MENTION THERE.

IN TERMS OF THE STREETS AND THE ACCESS, THE APPLICANT DID, UH, PROVIDE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY THAT, UH, HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY BOTH COLUMBUS AND, AND DUBLIN.

UH, GIVEN SOMERO BEING IN COLUMBUS'S JURISDICTION, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT RESPONDED TO, AND THE FINAL VERSION IS STILL UNDER REVIEW.

UM, THAT ONE WILL NEED TO BE FINALIZED BEFORE COUNCIL'S REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE SPECIFIC ACCESS POINTS, UH, PROPOSED HERE OR THE INTERNAL LAYOUT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE FELT COMFORTABLE BRINGING THIS TO YOU.

SO WITH THAT SAID, UH, MENTIONED THE MAIN ACCESS IS OFF OF BRIGHT ROAD.

THE CURB CUT HAS ALREADY BEEN BEEN ESTABLISHED WITH A SECONDARY ACCESS OFF OF A SHARED DRIVE WITH THE, UH, OFFICE, UH, PARK JUST TO THE SOUTH.

AND EASEMENTS HAVE EXISTED THERE FOR THAT TYPE OF SHARED ACCESS FOR A LONG TIME, AND THAT WOULD BE A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT, UM, ACCESS.

AND THEN THE, UH, MENTIONED THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

THEY, THEY RECOMMEND MINIMUM SETBACKS.

I MENTIONED EMERALD PARKWAY.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING A 50 FOOT SETBACK THERE.

UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE INCREASED TO AT LEAST A HUNDRED FEET, UH, PER THE COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDATION ON BRIGHT ROAD, THE COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDS 60 TO A HUNDRED FEET.

THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING 50 FEET.

UH, WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, GIVEN THE WIDTH OF THIS ROAD IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE TYPICAL, TYPICAL, UH, RIVER CHARACTER STREET AND THE FACT THAT IT'S BEHIND THE SETBACK OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND THE ADDITIONAL MOUNTING THAT THE APPLICANT AND, AND LANDSCAPING THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AT THAT LOCATION.

ONE THING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM ON, UH, AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE IS THE ALIGNMENT OF THE ENTRY DRIVE, ESPECIALLY AS IT CIRCULATES IN FRONT OF BUILDINGS, UH, ONE AND FOUR, UH, WE THINK THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOCAL POINTS AND MINIMIZING CONFLICTS AT THAT LOCATION.

SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT AS

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A CONDITION, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT IT AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.

A FEW PICTURES OF THE SITE, UH, MENTIONED THE CURB CUT THAT'S ALREADY DOING, BEEN ESTABLISHED.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE SIDEWALKS ALSO THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED IN THAT AREA.

UH, I SHOULD MENTION THAT ANY OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE COST OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE, UM, DISCUSSED WITH CITY COUNCIL.

UH, THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE ROUNDABOUT AND YOU CAN SEE THE TREES ALONG THE EMERALD PARKWAY FRONTAGE.

AND THEN MR. NEWCOMB MENTIONED THE, UH, LOT COVERAGE.

UM, IT IS AT ABOUT 40% RIGHT NOW.

UH, WE ARE CONCERNED THAT IF SUB AREA B IS DEVELOPED, THAT THAT WOULD, UH, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER THAT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S STILL, UH, AS WE MENTIONED, QUITE A BIT OF GREEN SPACE ON IN WITHIN SUB AREA A.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT SUB AREA B REMAINS IN ITS NATURAL STATE WITH NO DEVELOPMENT BEYOND POTENTIAL, UH, WALKWAYS AND, UH, SOME WORK THAT THEY NEED TO DO WITH THE FLOODPLAIN.

UM, 'CAUSE WE THINK OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND SPECIAL AREA PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL TREE REMOVAL THAT WOULD EXCEED THE, UH, UH, AMOUNT THAT THE, UH, CITY POLICIES COVER AND INCREASED DENSITY.

UH, YOU CAN SEE AT THIS POINT THERE DENSITY IS AT 26,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE, WHICH IS MORE THAN WHAT, UH, IS ALLOWED TYPICALLY OR RECOMMENDED FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, UH, AREA.

BUT WE DO FEEL THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE, GIVEN THE LOW INTENSITY OF THIS PARTICULAR USE.

UH, BUT ANY ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE A CONCERN, UH, WITH THAT INCREASE.

UM, WANTED TO MENTION A COUPLE THINGS.

THEY DO HAVE A TREE PRESERVATION PLAN, UH, THE, UH, ESPECIALLY THE NATURAL AREAS AROUND THE CREEK.

AND AT THIS POINT, EVERYTHING ALONG THE EMERALD PARKWAY FRONTAGE WOULD BE PRESERVED.

UH, SOME OF THE INTERIOR TREES WOULD BE PRESERVED, BUT MANY OTHERS WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE OF DEGRADING FOR THE SITE AND A DA ACCESS.

UM, AND THAT THOSE DETAILS WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT AS WE MOVE ON TO THE, UH, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UH, THERE WILL NEED TO BE SOME FILL IN THE, UH, FLOOD PLANE BECAUSE OF THE EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVE, AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT BY, UH, INCLUDING SOME CUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, UH, OF THE CREEK.

AND THAT IS WITHIN SUB AREA B, AND AS LONG AS THEY GET ALL THE PROPER PERMITS, UH, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF WHAT STAFF COULD SUPPORT, AGAIN, ALONG WITH ANY PATHS OR, UH, UH, OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT KEEP IT NATURAL.

UH, MR. NEWCOMB MENTIONED THE PHASING, SO I WON'T GO, UM, INTO THE SPECIFIC DETAILS OTHER THAN NOTING THAT PHASE ONE WILL INCLUDE MOST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT, UH, ARE NEEDED AS PART OF THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING THE, UH, STORM WATER PONDS AND THE, UH, ACCESS DRIVE AND MOST OF THE PARKING.

SO, UH, THE OTHER COMPONENT OF THAT IS AS THE PHASES ARE BUILT OR THE LANDSCAPING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PHASE, AND MUCH OF THE LANDSCAPING ALONG THE PERIMETER WOULD BE, AGAIN, UH, DONE AS PART OF THE FIRST PHASE, SO THAT, UH, IF SUBSEQUENT PHASES DON'T HAPPEN FOR A LONG TIME, IT STILL MEETS THE INTENDED CHARACTER.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS, UM, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE WITH THE, UH, OF THE OVERALL PLAN.

THE, UH, THERE ARE SIX FOOT, UH, SIDEWALKS, IF YOU WILL, THROUGHOUT THE SITE.

A COUPLE THINGS I WOULD NOTE.

ONE IS THAT THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK ALONG SUMMER ROAD, UH, NEEDS TO BE OF THE SAME CHARACTER AS WHAT YOU SEE TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS A MEANDERING, UH, ASPHALT, UH, WALKWAY.

AND THAT MOST LIKELY WILL REQUIRE AN EASEMENT ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.

AND WE RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF PHASE ONE WITH THE EASEMENT GRANTED.

UM, AT THAT TIME I MENTIONED THE, UH, THE ACCESS TO THE PARKING STRUCTURES UNDERNEATH, UH, THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE BLUE CIRCLE.

SO THOSE ARE THE AREAS WHERE WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT SEPARATED FROM THE VEHICULAR MOVEMENT.

AND THEN I MENTIONED THE, UH, BUILDINGS IN THE BACK ARE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS, UH, WHEN YOU GET TO THE PARKING LEVEL, UH, BELOW THE GRADE MEANDER, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT, UH,

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COMES DOWN, UH, BUT THEY HAVE TERRACES TO MAKE UP FOR THAT, UH, GREAT DIFFERENCE.

AND THEN THE BUILDINGS CLOSEST TO BRIGHT ROAD WOULD BE ONE STORY BUILDINGS WITH, UH, THE CENTER PORTION IS THE HIGHEST ONE, AND IT'S ABOUT 35 FEET TO THE VERY TOP OF THE PEAK.

AND THEN, UH, SMALL BUILDING AT THE ENTRANCE FOR THE WATER METER AT 25 FEET TO THE PEAK OF THE, OF THE ROOF.

AND THAT THOSE BUILDINGS ARE MORE IN LINE WITH THE MASSING AND CHARACTER OF THE ADJACENT OFFICE BUILDINGS, UH, TO THE EAST.

AND THEN WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, WE, UM, MENTIONED WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH THEM AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANT STAGE ON SOME OF THE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN MATERIALS AND WHERE THOSE HAPPEN, AND, UH, SOME OF THE SPECIFIC DETAILS.

SO WE HAVE THAT AS A PROPOSED CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

IN TERMS OF THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVING A PLAN OR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, OUR ANALYSIS IS THAT THEY EITHER MEET OR MEET THE CRITERIA WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING.

AND SO WITH THAT, WE DO RECOMMEND THE, UH, UM, A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL WITH, UH, SEVERAL CONDITIONS, UM, PRIMARILY TO KEEP SUB AREA B FREE OF DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, OTHER ONES RELATED TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, THE ALIGNMENT OF THE ENTRY DRIVE, THE, UM, MEANDERING PATH ALONG SUMMER ROAD, THE SAFETY AROUND THE ENTRANCES TO THE PARKING AREA, THE SETBACKS ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, UH, THE BUILDING ELEVATION DETAILS.

AND FINALLY, UH, COORDINATING WITH THE ENGINEERING STAFF ON STORM WATER AND UTILITIES AND OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

WITH THAT, BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. PETAR.

UH, LOOKING TO, UH, THE COMMISSION, WE WILL HANDLE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT CONCURRENTLY.

AND SO WE WILL START, I'M GONNA REVERSE ORDER AND TAKE .

SO MR. C***K, YOU'RE IN THE HOT SEAT.

WE'LL GO TO YOU FIRST REAL QUICK FOR STAFF, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT ON THE SETBACKS.

SO CURRENTLY JUST WANNA VERIFY PHASE FOUR, IS IT, DOES IT MEET THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK AS IT'S DESIGNED NOW? YEAH, EXCUSE ME.

EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE SHOWING ON THAT SIDE AS WELL, UH, BEYOND THE MINIMUM SETBACK.

AND SO EVEN IF THEY WERE TO INCREASE IT TO A HUNDRED FEET, THEY WOULD BE, UH, VERY MUCH IN COMPLIANCE.

OUR MAIN CONCERN IS REALLY SUB AREA B.

AND ANY DEVELOPMENT THERE? PERFECT.

I HAVE MR. CHIN, DO YOU MIND A PIGGYBACK QUESTION TO THAT ONE? UM, MR. PETAR, YOU TALKED ABOUT, AND IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORTS, KIND OF THE, THE DIFFERING FROM OUR DIFFERENT RESOURCES FROM THOSE TOOLBOX.

WE HAVE OUR, UH, THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

WE HAVE THE, THE PAVEMENT SETBACK.

WE HA HAVE ALL OF THOSE ITEMS IN OUR, UH, PACKET, BUT COULD YOU TALK THROUGH HOW THOSE OVERLAY AND WHERE THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION HITS WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIFICALLY TO SETBACKS? YEAH.

SO, UH, SETBACKS ARE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TAX.

SO THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO, UM, APPROVE TONIGHT OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, UH, THE, SO SOME OF THE NUMERIC FIGURES IN THERE.

AND, UH, THE TEXT ALSO SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, DEVELOPMENT OF SUB AREA B.

UH, THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT, UH, WE ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT.

BUT WHEN IT GETS, AGAIN, TO THE SPECIFIC DETAILS OF, UH, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, LIGHTING, SIGNAGE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, UH, UH, THE FINAL TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE DISCUSSED AT A LATER STAGE IN GREATER DETAIL.

AND THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION, I WANNA, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ASKED TO RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IS THE CODE THAT WOULD GOVERN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL.

SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, QUASI, YOU KNOW, UH, AND MR. BOGGS, YOU CAN CLARIFY HERE, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT THEN BECOMES WHAT BOTH THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT ARE HELD TO AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL.

AND IF THERE ARE DIFFERENCES WITH OUR, UH, MIND YOU KIND OF HIGHER LEVEL TOOLS, WE NEED TO CALL THOSE OUT.

AND WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THOSE AS WE ARE ASKED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, OR RECOMMEND FOR CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT TAX.

FOR THE APPLICANT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

SO OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN WITH REGARDS TO THAT SETBACK.

MR. CHINOOK, BACK TO YOU.

SO A FEW QUESTIONS

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FIR FIRST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

VERY THOROUGH.

WE REALLY GOT A FEEL FOR YOUR VISION.

OBVIOUSLY YOU, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU HAVE A LOT OF PASSION FOR THIS PROJECT.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS THOUGH.

SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, I MEAN, I, I THINK THE OUTDOOR AMENITIES ARE GREAT AND ALL OF THAT.

I MEAN, DOES THAT, THOSE AMENITIES WOULD BE SHARED WITH FAMILIES? THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC NE RIGHT? IT'S JUST FOR RESIDENT AND THEIR FAMILIES ESSENTIALLY.

YEAH, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE DEFINITELY FOR THE PEOPLE.

I MEAN, YOU, YOU HAVE ASSISTED LIVING PEOPLE.

YOU, I MEAN, IT'S, I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA MIX THE, THE PUBLIC.

SURE.

AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S LAWSUITS, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF, BUT I MEAN, IF IT'S FAMILY MEMBERS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S OKAY.

AND THEN, AND THEN SOME OF THE PRIOR PLANS HAD SOME NICE, UH, I THINK THEY, WE KIND OF ADDRESSED IT OR STAFF'S KIND OF HINTING TO IT, BUT HAD SOME NICE, UM, PATHWAYS GOING BACK THROUGH ESSENTIALLY THE, THE NORTH, I'M CALL IT THE NORTH BORDER OF THE SITE.

UM, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE NOW SHARED WITH THIS, UM, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD OR ROAD THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE DRIVING ON.

ARE YOU GUYS O OPEN TO INCLUDING SOME MORE PATHS BACK THERE FOR WALKING? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A REALLY NICE AREA, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A MISS.

YEAH, I MEAN, I WANT TO DO AS MUCH OF THAT AS POSSIBLE.

IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING WITH PHASE ONE AND SO, UM, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE PATHS THAT GO IN SUB AREA B, BUT I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT RIGHT NOW, , YOU KNOW, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS WON'T CARE IF I, I ADD THOSE LATER, BUT, UM, IT JUST, RIGHT NOW I JUST NEED TO, I NEED TO GET THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN TO ANYTHING, I GUESS.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT YEAH, I JUST MEANT THERE WAS SOME NICE WALKING PATH KIND OF MEANDERING BACK MORE ON THAT.

AGAIN, SITE, I MEAN, AND THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHETHER WE CONNECTED THEM TO SAWMILL.

AND SO I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE AND, AND BASICALLY SOMEONE WALKING OUT IN BOTH WAYS, YOU KNOW, THEM COMING ONTO AND GOING BACK BEHIND ASSISTED LIVING.

BUT ALSO YOU GET, WHEN YOU SAY ASSISTED LIVING, THEY CAN HAVE MEMORY CARE ISSUES TOO.

AND SO WHEN THEY GO OUT THERE, I DON'T REALLY WANT A PATH THAT'S GONNA WALK THEM, YOU KNOW, IN THE BACK OUT ONTO SALM ROAD.

UM, SO THAT WAS ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, CAME UP, BUT, UM, I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS AS NICE AS IT CAN BE.

I MEAN, UM, SO ANYTHING THAT MAKES SENSE, I'M, AND THAT'D BE GREAT.

AND THEN YOU MAKE EVEN A CONNECTION, MORE DIRECT CONNECTION TO LIFETIME COULD BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WELL.

YEAH, RIGHT BACK THERE.

UM, AND THEN CAN YOU TALK, UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION, THE, THE, THE PHASING SCHEDULE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVEN KNOW, BUT WHAT, DO YOU HAVE A IDEA ON PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE, PHASE FOUR, AND, WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO IN THAT ORDER, BUT I MEAN, I DO IN THE DEVELOPMENT STACKS, YOU KNOW, IT COULD VARY.

I MEAN, I DO SAY THAT, BUT I MEAN ONE IS GONNA GO IN FOR SURE, AND THEN I THINK TWO JUST MAKES THE MOST SENSE BECAUSE IT'S A MUCH SMALLER, YOU TALK ABOUT $10 MILLION INVESTMENT VERSUS ANOTHER 30 OR 40 FOR PHASE THREE.

AND SO IN, UM, AND THE CONTINUUM OF CARE.

SO I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GONNA GO ONE TO TWO AND THEN, UM, PROBABLY TO THREE AND THEN TO FOUR.

AND THEN MORE, MORE OF THE TIMEFRAME, THOUGH.

DO YOU ANTICIPATE IT BEING SEVERAL YEARS OR DO YOU HAVE YEAH.

ANY, ANY WAY YOU CUT IT.

THESE PROJECTS ARE 18 MONTHS.

YOU KNOW, AND SO LIKE, AND THAT'S IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL, SO LET'S GO 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING TO SAY PHASE FOUR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIX, SEVEN YEARS.

UM, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE PHASING.

I MEAN, IF, IF IT LEASES UP IMMEDIATELY, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'LL GO FASTER.

AND SO IT REALLY IS GONNA BE BASED ON THAT.

AND ONE FINAL QUESTION ON THE GARAGE SPACE, THE, THE PARKING BELOW, IS IT ADEQUATE FOR, IS IT ANTICIPATION FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS TO HAVE A SPACE, OR IS IT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MAYBE NOT.

YEAH, IT, WELL, IT DOESN'T, THOSE NUMBERS DON'T LINE UP.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 80% MAYBE OF, AND THAT'S PROBABLY HIGH OF INDEPENDENT LIVING, 50% FOR ASSISTED LIVING.

UM, IT'S CLOSE BECAUSE AGAIN, THE MEMORY CARE, THERE'S 68 UNITS THAT NONE OF THEM, YOU KNOW, DRIVE.

SO I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF, THERE'LL BE ENOUGH PARKING FOR, UM, THE RESIDENTS, BUT THERE WILL POTENTIALLY BE SURFACE PARKING.

THERE'S 143 SURFACE.

I MEAN, THE RESIDENTS WILL, THERE WILL BE SOME RESIDENTS THAT ARE RELYING ON SURFACE PARKING IF I DOUBT IT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THEY'D ALL HAVE TO BE TAKEN UP.

AND I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE WITH, UM, THAT ARE GONNA BE DRIVING.

BECAUSE AS YOU GET INTO ASSISTED LIVING, I JUST DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA DROP OFF DRASTICALLY.

AND THIS IS BASED OFF, I, I DO HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT RAN THE LARGEST CCRC IN CLEVELAND FOR 25 YEARS, AND HE, HE SEEMS TO THINK WE HAVE MORE THAN ADEQUATE PARKING.

MS. HARGER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND COMING FORWARD.

UM, CAN YOU CLARIFY, IS IT LIKE 375 UNITS ALL TOGETHER? IS THAT, YOU KNOW YEAH.

WHEN YOU PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, BEDS, UNITS YEP.

IN, IN ALL THAT.

SPACE BEHIND THAT, THAT YOU COULD DO.

AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE GARAGES AND SO FORTH, UM, WILL THEY HAVE, OR OTHER AREAS HAVE STORAGE UNITS? BECAUSE I'VE NOTICED THAT IN OTHER PLACES AS WELL TOO, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE OUTDOOR ONES.

BUT INSIDE YOUR GARAGE, DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD HAVE, YEAH.

AND SO I'M GONNA WORK THROUGH THAT TOO.

AND THERE'S SOME STACK PARKING, YOU SAW THAT STACK PARKING.

SO YOU, YOU HAVE THE

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UM, I THINK THERE WILL BE, UM, I THINK YOU CAN PUT GARAGE DOORS ON SOME OF THESE THINGS.

UM, YOU SEE A BRIDGE PARK WHEN YOU DRIVE IN AND THEY'VE GOT, UM, GARAGE DOORS.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERING YEAH.

THERE AS WELL TOO.

AND THAT, THAT MAY TAKE AWAY SOME PARKING, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO, I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.

HONESTLY.

AND SO I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT, AND THERE'S, SO IF YOU, IF YOU SAW THAT PARKING LOT, THERE ARE PLACES DOWN THERE THAT THERE'S OPEN SPACES, BUT I, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING, WHICH IS GONNA ALLOW ME TO DO.

MM-HMM.

THAT HELP ME WITH UNDERSTANDING MS. MS HARDER.

JUST ONE MOMENT.

IF TO MAKE IT EASIER ON OUR POOR STAFF, WHO HAS TO DOCUMENT ALL THE MINUTES, HAS TO TRANSLATE THE, THE TALKING INTO DOCUMENTATION.

IF WE COULD WAIT UNTIL THE QUESTION IS ASKED BEFORE THE ANSWER STARTS, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

OH, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MS. HARDER.

SO I'M THINKING ABOUT, UH, THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE AROUND, UM, LIKE THE COLUMBUS AREA ON BRIGHT ROAD AND SO FORTH.

THEY SEEM TO BE LIKE CONCRETE.

THEY'RE NEW, THEY LOOK GOOD ON, UM, THEY'RE CONCRETE SIDEWALKS.

WHEN, WHEN THIS, YOUR AREA, IT SEEMS TO BE ASPHALT, IS THAT CORRECT? OR ARE YOU CONSIDERING FOR THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS? I GUESS WHERE IF, AS I LOOK AT THAT, ARE YOU, SO THE RED IS ASPHALT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU TYPICALLY, I THINK WOULD SEE, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE LIKE BIKE PATHS, BUT THEY'RE REALLY WALKING VALVES BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA BE RIDING THEIR BIKES ON THEM.

BUT, UM, WHICH IS WHAT YOU, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? THE RED WOULD, I WAS JUST ASKING IN GENERAL, JUST WITHIN IT.

UM, WILL YOU BE USING CONCRETE? WELL, SO THE, SO THE PURPLE IS CONCRETE AND THE RED.

AND IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? YEAH, THAT HELPS ME.

I WASN'T YEAH.

ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE FOR ME.

SORRY.

UM, BUT, AND THEN, AND THEN YOU WOULD GO INTO LIKE AN ASPHALT AREA IN THAT, UM, RIGHT.

AND, UM, DOES THE CITY KNOW, OR MAYBE YOU DO ON SAW, OR EXCUSE ME, ON SAWMILL ROAD, THERE'S A, A BUS, UM, PICKUP AREA TOO.

WELL, THEY NEED TO ENHANCE THAT AS WELL TOO.

THAT MAY BE OUTSIDE OF THEIR, UH, AREA.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M TINA WASKOWITZ WITH TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY.

THE PUBLIC PROJECT THAT'S, UM, UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW IN THE AREA IS ACTUALLY, UM, ADDING A CONCRETE PAD FOR THE EXISTING BUS STOP, UH, JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF BRIGHTON SAWMILL.

UM, AND THE CITY PLANS TO INSTALL ONE OF THE SHELTERS, UM, THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT CITY COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE AT THAT LOCATION, WHICH IS AGAIN, NOT DIRECTLY ON THE SITE FRONTAGE, BUT TO THE SOUTH.

TO THE, TO THE SOUTH.

IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH.

AND THEN HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF COLUMBUS? I MEAN, THAT WHOLE, ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? AND THAT'S DONE THROUGH OUR ENGINEERS.

I HAVEN'T PERSONALLY, BUT OKAY.

THEY'RE WORKING.

BUT YOUR, YOUR GROUP HAS OH, YEAH, YEAH.

AND THEN, UM, I GUESS I GO TO, I, I, I THINK, I BELIEVE I ATTENDED ONE OF THE MEETINGS LIKE YEARS AGO WITH THE EAST SIDE DUBLIN CIVIC ASSOCI STATION.

AND THEN YOU HAD ONE ALSO, UM, AT, UM, OH, AT, UH, AT ONE OF THE LOCATIONS THAT ARE NEAR THERE TOO, WHICH WAS GREAT.

THAT'S GOOD YOU'RE MEETING WITH THEM.

WHAT ABOUT LIKE MOUNT CARMEL AND THE O THE OFFICE AREA AND SO FORTH? UM, I'VE SPOKEN TO MOUNT CARMEL.

I MEAN, THEY TRY TO BUY MY LAND, BUT, UM, AND IN THE OFFICE I'M BUYING, I'M BUYING SOME OF THEIR LAND, SO THEY'RE VERY AWARE OF WHAT I'M, YEAH, JUST GOOD CONVERSATION YOU'VE HAD.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT.

I I IT'S ALL COMING IN AND GONNA HAVE YEAH, I'VE INVITED EVERYBODY.

SORRY, I'M TALKING.

I'M LIKE EXACTLY WHAT YOU TOLD ME NOT TO DO, .

BUT, UM, I'VE INVITED EVERYONE TO THAT SITE AND I'VE, I'VE MET NEIGHBORS I'VE BET THAT ARE BIOLOGISTS, AND THEY BROUGHT OHIO STATE PROFESSORS, AND WE WALKED AND THEY GAVE ME THEIR OPINION ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LANDSCAPING.

SO I'VE GONE OUTTA MY WAY TO, TO MEET WITH EVERYBODY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.

WELL, UM, LIFETIME, THAT'S WHERE YOU HAD US ALL MEET, WHICH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BRINGS IT ALL TOGETHER THAT WAY.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

LET ME SEE IF I HAD ANY OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS.

OH, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL, I THINK THIS IS MY LAST ONE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL THEM, BUT THEY'RE THESE STACKS THAT ARE ON TOP OF THE BUILDING.

IS THAT ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OR IS THAT A NEEDED? UM, IT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.

OTHER SIDE, OR AM I, SO IT, IT GETS HARD ON THESE PAPERS AND, AND SO FORTH.

AGAIN, I, I THINK RATHER THAN JUST GOING STRAIGHT ACROSS, YOU'RE GOING UP, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE GIVING SOME RELIEF.

AND IT ALSO ALLOWS, SO, SO THE, THE CEILING HEIGHTS ON THE FIRST FLOOR ARE 10 FEET, NINE, NINE AND 10.

AND SO 10 TEN'S PRETTY TALL.

PRETTY.

SO AM I SEEING THREE OF THEM ON ONE SIDE AND NONE ON THE

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AND JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I'M SEEING WHAT I'M SEEING ON THE CORNERS IS A LOT OF TIMES WE WILL DO IT.

I DON'T SEE THEM THERE.

IT'S, UM, SO I'M GONNA, CAN I LET THE ARCHITECT STEP UP TO ANSWER THAT? SURE.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

UH, MATT LOES, 4 1 1 MEDITATION LANE, COLUMBUS, OHIO.

OH, HERE, UH, WITH THE ORANGE FROG DESIGN GROUP.

SO, UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TRIED TO DO THE CORNERS.

WE TRIED TO SET THE PARAPETS UP AND DOWN TO MAKE IT SO IT'S NOT JUST A FLAT HORIZONTAL ROOF PLANE.

SO WITH THAT SEES RIGHT, THE CORNERS, WE DID STEP UP.

WE ALSO STEPPED UP THE ENTRIES, BUT THEN WE ALSO DID STUFF THAT THE BUILDING GOT LONGER.

THERE ARE SOME INTERMEDIATE SPOTS WHERE THERE'S A, UM, THE GREENHOUSE STEPS UP.

SO DIFFERENT PARTS AND PIECES TRIED TO CREATE AN AESTHETIC THAT, THAT FEELS NICE.

I BELIEVE IT'S ON 44, PAGE 44.

THE ONE I WAS LOOKING AT AS LIKE A, JUST, JUST INTERESTED NOT TO, UM, THAT IS THE, UH, PHASE TWO MEMORY BUILDING.

AND SO WE DID THERE AS WELL.

WE STEPPED UP DIFFERENT PIECES OF THAT, SO THEY WOULD RESPOND BACK TO THE, UH, OFFICE PARK NEXT DOOR.

BUT WE ALSO, AGAIN, THIS IS A PITCHED ROOF WITH FLAT, SO WE TRY TO STEP UP ELEMENTS IN THE CORNERS TO WHERE WE HAVE, UM, UH, ACTIVITIES FOR THE MEMORY CARE IN THOSE AREAS, OR THE ENTRY PIECE TO, TO CREATE A MORE SPECIAL MOMENT.

SO ONE HERE, ONE HERE, ONE OH, AND THE CANOPIES IN FRONT.

I SEE THAT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH, THE PORK SHARE IS IN FRONT.

DIDN'T KNOW IT WOULD BE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THANK YOU MR WAY.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UM, PASTOR, I'M GOING BACK TO THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROJECT, AND COULD YOU JUST, COULD YOU GO OVER THAT WITH ME AND VERIFY HOW THE APPLICATION IS MEETING OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS? GONNA GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE IF IT COOPERATES.

SO TO, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THE, UH, IT, IT'S SET UP IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND ALSO IN THE RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

SO IT DOES SET THE DENSITY STANDARDS AND CERTAIN LOCK COVERAGE, BUT IT'S NOT VERY SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT THAT IS.

AND SO IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT WAS VERY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THERE WERE NATURAL AREAS AND THE FRONTAGE ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UM, CRITICAL.

AND SO WHAT WE USUALLY LOOK FOR IS THE, UH, AMOUNT OF, UH, GREEN SPACE, UH, THAT'S BEING PRESERVED AND THE, UH, REASONA REASONABLENESS, IF YOU WILL, OF THE LOT COVERAGE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN HERE.

SO, SO COULD THIS, UM, APPLICATION MEET THE REQUIREMENT WITH JUST SUBAR A AS THE, AS THE MEASUREMENT, OR DOES IT REQUIRE SUBAR B TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF OPEN SPACE? IT, SO AS PROPOSED RIGHT NOW, IF YOU COUNT BOTH SUB AREAS, IT'S UH, ABOUT 40% LOCK COVERAGE.

SO THERE'S A TEMPORARY TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE FOR THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN.

UM, I THINK, UM, IF I UNDERSTOOD MR. YUKO A LITTLE EARLIER, IF SUB AREA B WERE TO BE, UH, DEVELOPED, THAT WOULD BE, UH, UH, 53%.

I BELIEVE LOCK COVERAGE.

LOCK COVERAGE WAS, UM, 38 AND 48, UM, PERCENT.

UH, SO I, I THINK THAT THAT'S WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF SUB AREA B.

SO, UM, THE TAX GIVES THEM LEEWAY UP TO 47%.

UH, AS INDICATED IN THE PLANNING REPORT, WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY BE FOR, TO ACCOMMODATE PATHWAYS AND, AND FINAL DETAILS.

BUT, UH, WE DO FEEL DEVELOPMENT OF SUB AREA B.

WHO WOULD THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE AT THAT POINT, BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A LOT MORE.

SO IF YOU BASICALLY PUT TOGETHER A AND B AND, AND, AND YOU HAVE THEN DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE AND, UM, AND SUB AREA B IS LARGELY JUST OPEN SPACE, WOULD THERE BE A REQUIREMENT FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT, UM, OPEN SPACE TO MAKE IT KIND OF ACCESSIBLE AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE SYSTEM OF THE SITE, RIGHT? OR CAN YOU JUST LEAVE IT AS JUST, YOU KNOW, VACANT LAND? I, I MENTIONED THERE WOULD NEED TO BE AT LEAST THE COMP, UH, COMPENSATORY CUT FOR THE FLOOD, UH, FLOODPLAINS.

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UH, WE ARE HOPING THAT THEY CAN FIND A WAY TO DO THAT WITHOUT DISTURBING THE TREES, BUT, UH, WE DO ENVISION THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME PATHWAYS THERE.

UM, PUTTING A BRIDGE ACROSS THE CREEK MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE JUST BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF THE FLOOD PLAIN AND THE LENGTH OF THAT BRIDGE MIGHT BE.

AND SO IDEALLY THEY WOULD ALL BE CONNECTED.

UM, BUT IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT TOUGH.

I, I'M, I'M GOING BACK TO EARLIER COMMISSION CONVERSATIONS ABOUT OPEN SPACE ACCOUNTING, AND IT HAS TO BE ACCESSIBLE, OPEN SPACE.

IT CAN'T JUST BE OPEN SPACE.

SO I JUST, I'M, I GUESS I'M GETTING TO WHAT ARE THE EXPECTATIONS OF THIS APPLICATION TO MAKE THAT OPEN SPACE ACCESSIBLE, UM, AS PART OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE, THE PLAN DOES NOT PROPOSE THAT, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAD SAID THEIR LONG-TERM VISION WOULD BE THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY MIGHT DO.

AND I, I DID NOTE THAT IN THE LAST APPLICATION THAT YOU SUBMITTED, YOU DID SHOW A BRIDGE AND TRAILS OVER IN THAT SPACE.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AT, UM, OUR EXPECTATIONS THAT IF WE'RE ACCOUNTING SOMETHING AS OPEN SPACE, THAT WE, WE SEE IT AS MEANINGFUL, ACCESSIBLE, OPEN SPACE AND THEREFORE IT SHOULD BE, HAVE A PATHWAY OR YOU, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO IT AND USE IT.

AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT ASKING VILLAS, YOUR MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY NOT ON, I'M NOT ASKING FOR VILLAS.

I'M JUST TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT.

FROM DAY ONE.

I'VE TOLD EVERYONE WHAT I PLAN ON DOING.

AND SO I'M, AND MY THOUGHTS HAVE BEEN, I'M GONNA BUILD THIS REALLY NICE PROJECT AND I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT THAT YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T CARE ONCE YOU SEE WHAT THIS IS, AND I'M ADDING SOMETHING.

AND, AND SO I'D GONE DOWN THE ROAD.

SO I JUST WROTE SOMETHING THAT JUST TO BRING IT UP.

AND SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANTED.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE VILLAS, I JUST WANT, I JUST FEEL LIKE I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING NOW BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA COME BACK IN FIVE YEARS AND SAY, AND SOMEONE SAID, YOU NEVER, YOU KNOW, SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.

AND SO IT KIND OF HAPPENED LAST TIME.

'CAUSE I HAD TWO BD ON THE, BUT THAT JUST GOT OVERLOOKED.

AND BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME I CAME HERE, THEY SAID IT WAS TOO COMPLICATED.

SO I JUST SAID TWO BDI JUST WANTED TO MAKE THINGS SIMPLE.

AND THEN IT TURNED INTO OPEN SPACE.

AND, AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.

SO I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO SET YEAH.

THAT THE EXPECTATION THAT THAT AT SET SOME POINT THAT WOULD BE, YEAH.

ACCESSIBLE AND USABLE, OPEN SPACE IS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH, AND WE HAVE A LOT IN MY MIND.

WE STILL HAVE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE OPEN SPACE ON ANY PROJECT, THIS ISN'T JUST WITH THE GREEN.

WE HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I WANNA DO THINGS THAT ARE GOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S JUST, I HAVE A LOT OF UPFRONT INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.

UM, AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO POSTPONE THAT UNTIL, OR FOR THE LONG, HE PROBABLY CAN ANSWER MORE OF THE OPEN SPACE.

HI, PHIL MOORHEAD, G TWO, PLANNING AND DESIGN SEVEN 20 EAST BROAD STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO, 4 3, 2, 1 5.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION.

THE OPEN SPACE THAT YOU LIKE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPEN SPACE AND LOT COVERAGE.

THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY INTERCHANGEABLE OR THE INVERSE OF ONE ANOTHER.

WE HAVE 42% OPEN SPACE QUALIFIED AS OPEN SPACE SOUTH OF THE CREEK.

SO WE'RE NOT COUNTING ANYTHING AS OPEN SPACE NORTH OF THE CREEK, BUT WE ARE INCLUDING THE TOTAL ACREAGE AS THE DENOMINATOR.

SO WE COULD ONLY ADD OPEN SPACE IN SUB AREA B.

GOT IT.

MR WAY, DO YOU MIND A MINOR SEGUE, PLEASE, MR. BOGGS? UM, AS THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND A REZONING, CAN YOU PLEASE SET THE STAGE FOR WHEN APPLYING THE COMMUNITY PLAN SPECIFICALLY AND MORE PRECISELY WHERE WE HAVE, UM, COMMUNITY PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE AS PARK OR OPEN SPACE LAND, WHEN WE ARE LOOKING TO, AS A CITY ADOPT DEVELOPMENT TEXT, AND WHEN WE ARE LOOKING TO, AS A CITY RECOMMEND AND THEREFORE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT REZONING OWN THIS COMMISSION'S RESPONSIBILITY AND THE NEXT STAGE FOR DRAFTING THE TEXT, THE BOUNDARIES OF THE TEXT, THE APPLICABILITY OF FUTURE PHASES AND HOW THEY WOULD COME BACK, SHOULD SOMETHING, UM, DESIRE TO BE DEVELOPED, WHETHER IT'S TWO YEARS FROM NOW OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW ON A PARCEL THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT OR EXCLUDED IN THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S SAID HERE TODAY, CAN YOU KIND OF SET THE STAGE FOR ADOPTING DEVELOPMENT TEXT REZONING AND HOW THIS ACTION TONIGHT WOULD SET THE STAGE FOR WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED INTO THE FUTURE? I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT.

I WILL GIVE IT A SHOT.

UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT A RIGID DOCUMENT.

SO YEAH, THE COMMUNITY PLAN SETS FORTH THE, THE FRAMEWORK AND INTENDED FUTURE LAND USES, UH, AS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL.

IT SERVES AS A GUIDELINE.

IT'S NOT A RIGID,

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IT IS NOT ITSELF THE ZONING, BUT IT IS CERTAINLY, UH, RELEVANT AND GUIDES THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF AS WELL AS UNDER THE CRITERIA THAT YOU LOOK AT.

IT IS GUIDING, IT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT'S SET FORTH FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND MAKING ITS RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

AND SO IF THAT RECOMMENDATION IS MADE FOR APPROVAL, AND IF COUNSEL ULTIMATELY APPROVES THE REZONING TO A PLANNED DISTRICT AND APPROVES THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT IS PROPOSED, UH, AS, AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THIS EVENING, THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT BECOMES THE ZONING CODE FOR THIS, THE, THE PARCEL OF PROPERTY OR TRACT PROPERTY TO WHICH IT APPLIES AND, AND FUTURE, UM, DEVELOPMENT WOULD COME BACK THROUGH FOR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

BUT WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD BE LOOKING AT AT THAT POINT IS SIMPLY WHETHER THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMPLIES WITH WHAT IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT IS APPROVED AND SHOULD THERE BE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN A COMMUNITY PLAN, WHETHER IT'S THIS YEAR'S COMMUNITY PLAN OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW, COMMUNITY PLAN AND APPROVED ADOPTED DEVELOPMENT TEXTS.

CAN YOU TALK THROUGH WHICH ONE SUPERSEDES WHICH ONE? IF THERE IS A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS WHAT WOULD SUPERSEDE, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS WHAT IS THE LAW.

COMMISSIONER, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS PIGGYBACKING OFF OF MR. BO'S EXPLANATION? MR. GARVIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS DIRECTLY PIGGYBACKS, BUT I, IT WAS A QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK THAT'S SIMILAR.

WHAT IS THE NEED FROM, I GUESS, BASS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE TO, UH, CHANGE SUB AREA B AT ALL FROM THAT P DESIGNATION IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN? IS IT JUST BECAUSE THIS IS ONE PARCEL AND IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT TOGETHER? YEAH, FOR, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE REZONING, BECAUSE IT'S ALL PART OF THE APPLICATION, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE SAME PLANNED DISTRICT THAT THAT'S A REQUEST.

AND SO THE TEXT COULD SAY THAT IS TO BE PRESERVED AS NATURAL, AND THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.

SO THE, IT IT'S NOT EITHER, ALSO IT COULD STILL BE CONSISTENT WITH A COMMUNITY PLAN, BUT BE REZONED AS PART OF THIS PROCESS.

AND THAT, UH, CONDITION THAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY PUT ON SUB AREA B UH, WOULD BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AT THAT POINT AND COULD NOT, IT WOULD'VE TO BE HEARD UP HERE TO BE CHANGED AGAIN.

AND MR. BOGGS, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HEARD THAT LAST QUESTION BECAUSE I, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE GETTING AT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, SO SHOULD, NOBODY HAS A CRYSTAL BALL AND NOBODY CAN ANTICIPATE EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN 10, 20, 40 YEARS FROM NOW, BUT SHOULD THERE BE A DEVIATION OR A DESIRE FOR A DEVIATION IN WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT ALLOWS AND WHAT THE CURRENT OWNER, WHETHER CURRENT, CURRENT OR FUTURE CURRENT OWNER WANTS TO BUILD THERE, CAN YOU GO OVER THE PROCESS FOR MODIFICATION TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT TEXT, ET CETERA? RIGHT.

SO OTHER THAN VERY MINOR MODIFICATIONS, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT HERE, I THINK THAT WE'D BE CONTEMPLATING THE ADDITION OF A, A USE DIFFERENT THAN THIS SORT OF OPEN SPACE USE.

IT WOULD COME BACK THROUGH AS AN AMENDMENT TO THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND BE TREATED AS A LEGISLATIVE ACT.

SO HERE AGAIN, IT WOULD COME BACK THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN COUNSEL WOULD MAKE A FINAL DECISION BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE CHANGING THE LAW THAT IS APPLICABLE TO THIS PROPERTY.

THANK YOU, MR. BOGGS.

AND THANK YOU MR. WE FOR THE SEGUE OR THE ALLOWANCE OF THE SEGUE.

I THINK THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

MR. ALEXANDER, I'LL BE BRIEF PARTIALLY BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION.

UM, BASSAM, IS THERE AN AGREEMENT OR MAYBE MR. NEWCOMB CAN ANSWER BETWEEN YOU? AND YOU MENTIONED YOU BOUGHT SOME LAND FROM THE OFFICE PARK, BUT THE PROPERTY LINE IS SHOWN RIGHT BETWEEN RIGHT IN THAT EXCESS ROAD.

SO DO YOU OWN THE ENTIRE ACCESS ROAD? IS THERE A SHARED T AGREEMENT? IT'S A SHARED, IT'S A SHARED EASEMENT.

SO WE OWN THE PROPERTY LINE, AS YOU SAID, GOES RIGHT TO THE MIDDLE.

AND SO I AM JUST BUYING A PORT.

IT'S, THAT'S THE DRIVE AISLE IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEN.

I'M BUYING PART OF THEIR PARKING LOT.

SO, SO DO YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO USE THAT, THAT LOT, THAT PORTION TO DRIVE ON? YES.

WHAT I GAVE UP WAS, I DON'T, THEY CAN STOP ME FROM GOING TO BRIGHT ROAD.

THEY DIDN'T WANT ALL THESE PEOPLE GOING THROUGH BRIGHT ROAD, AND SO I AGREED, I I CAN JUST, I'M JUST GOING OUT TO

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SAW MILL.

WHICH IS FINE.

I MEAN THEY, THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT THAT MUCH TRAFFIC CUTTING THROUGH AND, AND WE ALREADY ARE GETTING ONTO BRIGHT ROAD AT OUR MAIN ENTRANCE ANYWAY.

AND THE SECOND, THE SECOND QUESTION REALLY BIO IS FOR YOU, AND I REALIZE THE TEXT THAT WE COULD VOTE ON TONIGHT SAYS THAT ENGINEERING HAS A FINAL SAY.

HAVE THEY EVEN LOOKED AT PRELIMINARILY THE STORMWATER ON THIS? 'CAUSE THIS IS A, A LOT OF THE PERVIOUS COVER ON A LOT THAT HAS ALMOST ZERO NOW.

YEAH, THEY, THEY'VE, UH, LOOKED AT, WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING THIS FOR WELL OVER A YEAR.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPLICATION CASE NUMBER, IT'S 2023.

AND, UH, SO WE ARE DOWN TO A FEW FINAL DETAILS, BUT THEY'VE PROVIDED QUITE A FEW REPORTS ABOUT FLOOD PLAIN AND STORM WATER AND TRAFFIC IMPACT.

AND, AND SO YES, THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE EXTENSIVE REVIEWS.

THAT'S IT.

SO I, SO I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

SO I ALWAYS LOOKED AT THE ZONING TEXT 'CAUSE EVERYTHING IN MY ZONING TEXT SAYS SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE ZONING TEXT.

SO THAT'S WHY IF I TRY AND DO SOMETHING THAT'S SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO YOU NO MATTER WHAT.

AND THAT'S WHY WHEN IT COMES TO EVEN THE 50 FOOT SETBACK, WHICH THAT CAN BE MORE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ROAD, I MEAN, EVERYTHING'S SUPPOSED TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY CLOSE TO WHAT I PRESENTED ON THOSE PLANS, RIGHT.

AND SO IF YOU WOULD DEVIATE FROM THAT, THEN IT WOULD GET KICKED BACK TO YOU.

THAT'S HOW I ALWAYS LOOKED AT THAT INDIVIDUAL.

UM, AND, AND MR. BOGGS, CORRECT ME IF I MISSPEAK AT ALL, BUT INDIVIDUAL, UM, AGREEMENTS THAT APPLY TO LOTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN ZONING TEXT ONE SUPERSEDES THE OTHER.

AND SO ZONING TEXT, THERE ARE DIFFERENT NOTICING REQUIREMENTS.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROCESSES FOR ADOPTING NEW ZONING CODE, NEW, UM, NEW CRITERIA ON A CITYWIDE BASIS THAN THERE ARE ON AN INDIVIDUAL PARCEL.

SO WE APPRECIATE WHEN APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, TRY TO ALIGN THEIR INDIVIDUAL ZONING TEXT TO THE UNDERLYING ZONING TEXT.

BUT WE HAVE TO BE AS PARTICULAR WITH THE INDIVIDUAL PARCEL TEXT AS WE DO ON CITYWIDE TEXT.

BUT IF, IF WITHIN MY, MY ZONING TEXT, IT SAYS PART OF THE ZONING TEXT, THERE IS A PLAN THAT GOES WITH THAT ZONING TEXT, RIGHT? AND IT SAYS IT HAS TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY MY ZONING TEXT, NO MATTER WHAT SAYS IT STILL HAS TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE PLAN I SUBMIT.

PERHAPS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION.

WELL, I JUST, I JUST THOUGHT THERE WAS TWO THINGS I THOUGHT I HAD TO DO TWO THINGS.

I WROTE ZILLION TEXT, BUT I ALSO HAVE A PLAN AND SO I CANNOT DEVIATE FROM THAT PLAN THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN GOVERNS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, RIGHT? AND SHOULD THERE WANT TO BE ANYTHING, OBVIOUSLY NOT TEXT MODIFICATIONS, BUT SHOULD THERE NEED TO BE A DEVIATION FROM THAT, IT WOULD COME THROUGH THE SAME PUBLIC PROCESS, ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN THE COMMISSION WOULD DELIBERATE ON THAT PARTICULAR PLAN, WHETHER IT'S THIS PLAN OR A DIFFERENT PLAN IN THE CITY.

YEAH, AND THE 50 FOOT SETBACK IS MY PERFECT EXAMPLE.

I MEAN, WE ARE WAY AWAY FROM THE 50 FOOT SETBACK.

AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS 50 FEET, IT WOULD BE DEVIATING IF WE GOT THAT CLOSE, IT WOULD BE A MAJOR DEVIATION FROM THE PLAN.

SO YOU COULDN'T DO IT ANYWAYS.

THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE VERY WELL PROTECTED THERE, I WOULD THINK YOU ANYWAY, UM, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, THAT'S UM, WHY, AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN SO PRECISE IN THE PLAN, BUT ALRIGHT, WE WILL CONTINUE WITH COMMISSION QUESTIONS.

MR. ALEXANDER, ARE YOU COMPLETE WITH YOUR QUESTIONS? ONE MORE SOMEWHAT RELATED, BUT OUT OF OUR CONTROL, DOES THE CITY OF COLUMBUS HAVE PLANS TO MAKE CHANGES ON SAWMILL ROAD THAT, THAT YOU KNOW OF? BECAUSE I'M THINKING OF THE IMPACT THEIR ZONING CHANGE COULD HAVE ON THAT AND THEN WE'RE BUILDING SOMETHING, UH, PROPOSING SOMETHING CLOSE TO IT.

OFF OF SAW ROAD DATA AS AN EXISTING EASEMENT THERE.

SO THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, UM, DOES INCLUDE A DUAL LEFT TURN LANE.

SO PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION THERE WAS A SINGLE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE FROM SAWMILL TO BRIGHT ROAD.

WITH THE CURRENT PROJECT THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THERE WILL BE DUAL LEFT TURN LANES NORTHBOUND TO WESTBOUND.

THAT ALSO MEANS WE HAVE TO WIDEN THE ROAD NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION TO MAKE ALL OF THE LANES LINE UP RIGHT IN THE SOUTHBOUND COME THROUGH.

SO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, UM, IN THIS IMMEDIATE AREA OF ROAD BY THE CITY OF COLUMBUS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER.

AND IF I CAN CLARIFY TWO, TWO QUICK THINGS WITH THE STORMWATER, I, I MENTIONED THAT THE ENGINEERING STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT.

WE DID NOT GET ANY INFORMATION ABOUT SUB AREA B THOUGH, SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

AND WITH REGARDS TO THE ACCESS

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SO THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER.

MR. DESLER, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

CAN YOU PULL UP THAT WALKING PATH? AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ON THAT.

WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR SOME OF THE, LIKE I'LL DESCRIBE THE RED ASPHALT PASS AROUND SOME OF THE WATER RETENTION PONDS? SAY THAT ONCE MORE PLEASE.

SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THE DESIGN HERE, I SEE THE, I'M GONNA USE YOUR ASPHALT PASS, THE RED, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO HAVING THOSE WALKING PASS INTEGRATED A LITTLE MORE AROUND THOSE? THERE IS RETENTION PONDS.

IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT DROPS OFF AND SO YOU'RE GONNA BE CLOSE TO IT SLOPING AND GOING DOWN FAST.

THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, UM, IF YOU WERE TO DO ANYTHING, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHIFT THAT ROAD, THAT MAIN ROAD TO TOWARDS THE PURPLE AND MAYBE FLIP IT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, TO GET THE, THE EXTRA SPACE.

BUT AGAIN, IF SOMEONE ENROLLS, I MEAN OH, I UNDERSTAND.

I YEAH, YOUR EXPLANATION IS FINE.

YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS GONNA BE CONSIDERATION ANYWAY FOR THE WAY THAT I THINK THEY CITY WANTED THE ROAD INTEGRATION TO WORK INTO THE PHASE FOUR PHASE ONE ANYWAY.

BUT VAS, CAN YOU PULL UP FOR ME THE, UH, THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS THAT THE, THOSE EIGHT CONDITIONS OR THE AGENDA ITEMS? OKAY, THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT.

I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR.

DO DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO ANY OF THE EIGHT CONDITIONS AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED BY THE CITY? NO.

MY, MY MAIN THING WAS TO JUST TO GET THE FI THE ACREAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.

CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? I'M JUST WANNA, AGAIN, THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THE, IS THE ACREAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND I'M NOT EVEN ASKING FOR SOMETHING.

DO YOU MEAN THE, THE LIKE CATTY CORNERED ACROSS THE FOUR? THE FOUR THE, WELL NO, THE 4.4 ACRES SUB B.

SUB SUB B OH.

AND SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP IN THIS MEETING, BUT I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY ZONING OVER THERE.

AND AGAIN, IF I DO THAT, I HAVE TO COME BACK AND I WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS AGAIN.

OBVIOUSLY, JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR HERE, THAT THE RECOMMENDATION ONE LOCKS YOU INTO NOT BEING ABLE TO IMPROVE THAT SUB AREA B BEYOND WHAT, WHAT'S LISTED THERE.

YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, RIGHT? AND I'M JUST BRINGING IT.

AND SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA BUILD THIS REALLY NICE PROJECT AND YOU GUYS CAN SAY NO IN EIGHT YEARS OR YOU CAN SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT MAKES SENSE.

UM, AND THAT WILL BE UP TO YOU.

THANK YOU MR. LER.

MR. GARVIN, THANK YOU.

I I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION, STEVE.

VERY THOROUGH.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE CHANGES THAT ARE MADE AS I READ BACK TO PRIOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

I THINK YOU'VE MET, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE.

THE ONE, UH, ONE AREA THAT I DIDN'T SEE ADDRESSED NECESSARILY WAS THE CONCERN ABOUT HEIGHT.

OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE LOOKING TO PRESERVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE, UH, AND YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN THERE.

UM, WHAT WAS YOUR REACT? I I, I GUESS I SUPPORT HAVING LESS SURFACE LOT COVERAGE, UM, BY PUTTING THE PARKING GARAGE UNDERNEATH THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

YOU'RE GOING KIND OF BACK TO THAT FIVE STORY HEIGHT.

UM, DO YOU SEE ANY WAY TO APPEASE, UH, THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAD REACTED EARLIER IN THIS PROCESS TO SAY THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT? THAT HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE RECENTLY.

UM, THAT WAS AN ISSUE WHEN THE FIVE STORIES AND IN THE VERY BEGINNING, UM, IT'S FROM THE FRONT, IT'S FOUR STORIES.

IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT IT DROPS OFF AND IT'S NEVER, IT'S REALLY NEVER BEEN BROUGHT UP AND ACTUALLY WAS STAFF THAT SUGGESTED THAT.

AND, UH, AT, AT RISK OF KIND OF BEATING A DEAD HORSE, MY IMPRESSION IS THAT IDEALLY FOR YOU, YOU WOULD GO BACK AND, AND ONCE THIS IS BUILT, LOOK FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD VILLAS IN THAT SUB AREA.

BI DON'T, LIKE I SAID, IT'S EXPENSIVE.

I MEAN, I'VE JUST, I WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

I JUST DID NOT WANNA COME BACK HERE IF, IF DOWN THE ROAD AND SAY I NEVER BROUGHT IT UP.

I THINK, UH, ALL MY OTHER QUESTIONS WERE NOT THANK YOU MR. GARVIN.

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UH, I JUST HAVE ONE.

ACCORDING TO YOUR PARKING COUNTS, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE 83 STAFF PARKING PLACES.

DO YOU ANTICIPATE STAFF PARKING IN, UH, THE SURFACE PARKING OR THE UNDERGROUND PARKING? I THINK THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AS MANY PEOPLE PARKING UNDERGROUND IS.

WE HAVE RESIDENTS.

AND SO I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE BOTH.

SO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A MIXTURE.

I THINK IT COULD BE GUESSED.

AGAIN, I HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT SAYS HE THINKS THAT WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING.

SO I'M JUST, AND I THINK HE'S, I'VE LOOKED AT THE MATH AND, UM, I THINK THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.

THANK YOU ALL WITH THAT.

I'LL LOOK BACK TO THE COMMISSION TO SEE IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS JOGGED FREE BASED ON THE RECENT DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU, MR. MAY, MR. ALEXANDER.

UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.

SEEING NONE, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THE COURSE OF THE MEETING? THANK YOU, MS. ROUSH.

WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND WE WILL MOVE ON WITH, UH, THE COMMISSION DELIBERATION.

WE DO HAVE THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AS THEY HAVE BEEN NOTICED.

AND I'M GOING TO START WITH MR. CHINOOK YET AGAIN.

SO, MR. CHINOOK, AGAIN, I SAID IT EARLIER.

I, I THINK YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION IS VERY, VERY THOROUGH.

UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND YOU CAN TELL THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THE, DO THE RIGHT THING.

SO I'M, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

UM, AND I, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS TOO, IF YOU'RE GOING, GOING TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE THE EIGHT CONDITIONS, UM, WHICH I THINK STAFF DID A GREAT JOB OF, OF SPILLING THIS OUT.

AND I, I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, SO I'M VERY MUCH FOR THIS MOVING FORWARD.

THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK, MS. HARDER, UH, THANKS FOR COMING.

UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.

ONE, UH, THING ALSO, WHEN YOU ARE OVER AT LIFETIME, YOU CAN REALLY SEE HOW DEEP IT IS DOWN THERE.

SO I'M NOT, UM, FEARFUL OF THE HEIGHT AS, UH, IS MAYBE HOW IT SORT OF CAME OUT AT THE BEGINNING.

SO I THINK THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED AS WELL AND THE CONDITIONS, IF YOU'RE FOR THAT, THAT'S PERFECT.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE FOLIAGE.

IT'S, IT'S KIND OF THAT AREA'S, UM, UH, THING.

UM, 'CAUSE YOU'LL KIND OF SEE THAT AROUND KROGER'S, AROUND LIFETIME AND SO FORTH, THAT THICKNESS.

AND, UH, WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE AWAY FROM THAT, JUST WITH TIME, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.

SO I HOPE THAT YOU KEEP THAT, UM, GOING AS WELL THERE TOO.

SO THANK YOU, MR. WE THANK YOU.

UM, I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF SEEING THIS PROJECT A NUMBER OF TIMES.

, I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF ACTUALLY WALKING THE SITE AND, UH, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TREES AND, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SITE AND I THINK THE PLAN THAT YOU'VE DEVELOPED, UM, WITH THE ABILITY TO USE IT TO ITS MAXIMUM POTENTIAL AND YET SAVE THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF THE SCREEN QUARTER.

SO, UM, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.

I'M SUPPORTIVE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

I THINK THE DENSITY MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT'S A LO RELATIVELY LOW INTENSITY USE COMPARED TO IF THIS WERE MULTIFAMILY USE OF THE SAME SIZE.

I THINK THE USE IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION MAKES SENSE.

THE MASSING IS VERY LOGICAL BY BURYING THE TALLER STRUCTURES DEEPER IN THE SITE, UM, AND PUTTING THE SHORTER THE MEMORY CARE SH NEXT TO THE ADJACENT, OFTEN BUILDING.

I THINK THE BENEFIT YOU HAVE OVER FIRST, FIRST COMMUNITY AND FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE, AND I KNOW THOSE WELL, IS THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'VE BEEN BUILT INCREMENTALLY.

SO IN TERMS OF WHILE THEIR LANDSCAPES ARE WELL DEVELOPED ARCHITECTURALLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LACKING SOME CONTINUITY THERE.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS THAT THIS PROGRAM HAS.

AND I THINK OUR COMMUNITY BENEFITS AS AN AGING COMMUNITY, HAVING ONE MORE FACILITY LIKE THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY BENEFITS US ALL.

SO THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER.

MR. DESLER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

I APPRECIATE IT.

IT WAS COMPREHENSIVE AND I THINK IT GREATLY ASSISTED US IN OUR EVALUATION.

I SHARE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS THAT I'M SUPPORTIVE, UH, WITH THE CON WITH SUPPORTIVE WITH THE CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. DESLER.

MR. CARVIN, I'M ALSO SUPPORTIVE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED.

UH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE QUALITY OF, OF THE WORK WE'VE SEEN.

UH, AND I AGREE WITH MR. ALEXANDER'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE NEED IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, ONE COMMENT I'D LIKE TO HAVE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD IS JUST THAT, UH, I THINK IF THERE WAS A FUTURE APPLICATION TO, UM, MODIFY WHAT, WHAT WE, UH, I GUESS RECOMMEND HERE FOR SUB AREA B, IT COULD POTENTIALLY UNDERMINE THE APPROVAL THAT WE'RE GIVING.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT AS AN, AS AN OPEN SPACE.

WITH THE CITY AND FOR LISTENING TO THE FEEDBACK OF NOT JUST THE COMMISSION, BUT ALSO RESIDENTS WHO HAVE COME IN THE PAST.

THANK YOU, MR. GARVIN.

UM, I AM ALSO OVERALL SUPPORTIVE.

I'VE SEEN THIS FROM, I THINK THE FIRST TIME YOU CAME FORWARD, AND IT HAS IMPROVED OVER TIME.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WORKING

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I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT I AM MINORLY CONCERNED WITH.

UM, I, I AGREE THAT THE, THE PARTICULAR USE NECESSITATES A LEVEL OF, UH, OF CARE WITH THE WAY THAT THE OPEN SPACE IS PROVIDED.

BUT OPEN SPACE IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN DOESN'T, DOESN'T JUST BENEFIT THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER, ESPECIALLY IN COMMERCIAL AREAS.

UH, WE AS A CITY HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WAITING FOR EMERALD, THE EMERALD CORRIDOR TO DEVELOP.

AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD, UH, BEHOOVE US TO LOOK AT THAT NOT JUST AS, UH, USE FROM THE PARTICULAR USER, BUT ALSO FROM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE WHO WALK, WHO LIVE ALONG THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

AND TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER THE EXPERIENCE IN DUBLIN BECAUSE OF A USE, I THINK COULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT US.

SO I WOULD, UM, I WOULD ADVISE CAUTION WHEN WE'RE LOOKING SOLELY THROUGH A, A LIMITED, A MYOPIC LENS.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, I THINK THAT, UH, THEIR PES ARE WONDERFUL.

I'VE WORKED WITH PUDS FOR A LONG TIME.

THEY GIVE US FLEXIBILITY.

AND WHEN WE'RE APPLYING A COMMUNITY PLAN THAT IS THAT 30,000 FOOT OVERVIEW, AND WE LOOK AT A BLUE COLOR ON A MAP AND SAY, HEY, IT'S GOING TO BE ONE TO TWO STORIES.

YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN YOUR BOOTS ON THE GROUND, LET ALONE THAT 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, OR 10,000 FOOT OVERVIEW.

UH, I WOULD LIKE ON THE RECORD IN THE MEETING MINUTES SO THAT IT SHOWS UP IN FUTURE CASE HISTORIES.

THIS DEVIATES FROM THE ONE TO TWO STORY.

I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE OPEN SPACE COMPENSATION.

AND SO THAT TO ME IS THE NICETIES OF BEAUTIES.

THEY ALLOW YOU THAT FLEXIBILITY IN GETTING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, GETTING SOMETHING BETTER OVERALL THAT COMPENSATES.

IT'S A GIVE AND TAKE.

AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT NECESSARILY, EVEN IF THAT, THAT PARKLAND REMAINS PARKLAND AND WE'VE HEARD COMMENTS ABOUT IMPROVING IT TO MAKE IT QUALIFY AS OPEN SPACE BY OUR DEFINITIONS, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THAT WHERE THE PLANNING IS ZONING COMMISSION.

SO WE DON'T REALLY GET A VOTE IN THIS.

BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT ALL OF THAT IMPROVEMENT NEEDS TO BE SHOULDERED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.

I THINK THAT THERE ARE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL TO LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE.

BUT MY RECOMMENDATION FOR SUPPORT OF RECOMMENDING THE REZONING AND, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS BASED ON THOSE CRITERIA.

SO WITH THAT, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR REZONING AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE CONDITIONS AS, AS ADDRESSED THIS EVENING.

MR. WEY.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

MR. ALEXANDER.

MS. MAXWELL, MS. HARDER? YES.

WITH THAT, WE CERTAINLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE COMMISSION THAT YOU DID NOT SEE CLEARLY THIS EVENING? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK IN THE FUTURE.

ALRIGHT, LOOKING AT MY LEFT SIDE TO SEE.

ARE WE GOOD? SO FOR ONE MORE.

FOR ONE MORE.

MR. HUNTER, WELCOME BACK.

, YOU LOOK AT YOUR RIGHT SIDE.

I, I'VE WORKED WITH THEM FOR A FEW YEARS.

NEW PLAYERS OVER HERE.

ALRIGHT,

[Case #24-143AFDP]

MOVING ON.

WE, WE WILL MOVE TO CASE 24 DASH 1 43 A FTP.

THIS IS BRIDGE BAR, BRIDGE PARK BLOCK H AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE IFDP TO DEVELOP TEN THREE STORY TOWN HOME BUILDINGS.

THE APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A QUARTER ACRE SITE IS ZONED B-S-D-S-R-N BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SCIO RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY AND MOONEY STREET.

WE GONNA INVITE YOU UP FOR OUR APPLICANT PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

UH, RUSSELL HUNTER, UH, 6 6 4 0 RIVERSIDE DRIVE.

UH, I WILL BE BRIEF, BUT I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS, UM, THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT SINCE, UH, WE INFORMALLY MET WITH YOU.

UH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS LAST YEAR AS A MATTER OF FACT.

UM, PLAN LARGELY EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT

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THE, UH, AT THE INFORMAL PLAN.

UM, REALLY WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO, UM, THERE'S A, A FEW MINOR CHANGES THAT WE MADE.

UM, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE BEING THE ARCHITECTURAL, OR NOT THE ARCHITECTURAL, THE LANDSCAPE FEATURES AT THE, THE CORNERS THERE AT JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY.

UM, SO WE'VE ENHANCED THOSE.

UH, I THINK IT'S A REALLY NICE TRANSITION INTO THAT, UH, THAT GREEN SPACE THERE.

AND THEN WITH THAT, I DUNNO IF I CAN, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THIS IS WORKING.

CAN YOU JUST GO TO THE NEXT YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

SO WITH THAT, UM, SOME SUBTLE ENHANCEMENTS TO THE CORNERS THERE AT THAT JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY.

I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THOSE CORNER ENHANCEMENTS NEEDED TO BE RELATIVE TO THE TOWNHOUSE TYPOLOGY.

UM, I THINK WE'VE DONE A NICE JOB OF, OF KIND HITTING, UH, BOTH IN A WAY THAT I THINK WORKS REALLY SUCCESSFULLY.

UH, ANOTHER THING YOU'LL SEE AS WE'VE LIGHTENED THE MATERIALS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE IDEA OF THIS BEING THE COUSIN OF THE EXISTING H BLOCK, BUT NOT NECESSARILY A TWIN OF IT.

UM, I THINK ANOTHER THING, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SO THIS IS THE, THE, UM, IT'S THE SOUTH ELEVATION.

UM, BUT YOU'LL NOTICE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENCES HERE.

ONE IS THE PARAPETS.

SO IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, SUBMISSIONS, THOSE PARAPETS WERE FLAT.

SO WE'VE, UM, MADE SURE THAT THOSE ARE BROKEN AS WE, AS WE MOVE DOWN THE, THE RHYTHM OF THESE BUILDINGS.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THOSE WALLS, WHICH WE TALKED QUITE A LOT A BIT, THE, THE AUTO COURT WALLS THAT WERE MEANT TO BLOCK THE, UM, THE HEADLIGHTS.

WHAT WE DISCOVERED THAT THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME PROPERTY LINE AND EASEMENT ISSUES THAT WE HAD ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE.

UM, AND SO WITH ALL OF THE DISCUSSION AROUND WHETHER OR NOT WE LIKED THEM, WE THOUGHT, OKAY, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S LEAN ON LANDSCAPING INSTEAD TO, TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE POROUS AS OPPOSED TO THOSE BIGS.

UH, I THINK THEY WERE FIVE FOOT TALL WALLS BEFORE.

UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THIS IS LARGELY, UH, CONSISTENT WITH, WITH WHAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU BEFORE, UH, AT THE INFORMAL.

AND WITH THAT, I'D REALLY LIKE TO JUST, UM, GIVE IT BACK OVER TO RODDY AND THEN WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

MISSING AND YOUR MIC.

I WILL SHARE THE STAFF FINDINGS, THE WAIVER REQUEST AND THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

AND GOOD EVENING.

SO I THINK APPLICANT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB JUST BRIEFLY EXPLAINING, UM, WHAT CHANGES WERE DONE.

I'LL QUICKLY EXPLAIN WHERE IN THE PROCESS WE ARE IN THE STAFF FINDINGS IN THE BRI STREET DISTRICT DEVELOPMENTS IS GENERALLY A THREE STEP PROCESS WITH THE FOUR STEP IF THERE ARE AMENDMENTS REQUESTED TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

ATIONS TONIGHT ARE THE ALIGNMENT WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND ITS CONSISTENCY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE SURROUNDING CHARACTER.

AND THERE IS AN ACTION REQUIRED.

AND PCC IS THE FINAL DETERMINATION.

BODY SITE HERE IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN YELLOW.

IT IS ZONED BRI STREET DISTRICT, STO RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT HAS A COMBINED AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 2.2 ACRES.

THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY THREE UM, STREETS AND THE NORTHERN PART IS SURROUNDED BY THE FOUR STREETS.

THE SITE IS CENTRALLY LOCATED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS BOTHERED BY JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY TO THE NORTH AND DALE DRIVE TO THE EAST.

BOTH JOHN SHIELDS AND DAY DRIVE ARE DISTRICT CONNECTORS STREETS AND THEY HAVE A VERY HIGH VISIBILITY FRONTAGE.

THE SITE IS BORDERED BY MOONEY STREET AND LARAMA STREET TO THE WEST AND THE SOUTH, AND THEY BOTH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.

THE SITE RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD PROVIDES A SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY FOR A WELL-PLANNED AND A DESIGNED NEIGHBORHOOD.

SPECIAL ATTENTION IS GIVEN TO THE LOCATION AND THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDINGS STREETS AND THE OPEN SPACES, AND IT KIND OF ESTABLISHES A COORDINATE MIXTURE OF USERS.

PREDOMINANT LAND USERS INCLUDE WAY RESIDENTIAL USERS, WHICH COMPLEMENT TO THE SUPPORTING MIXED USES.

THE GREEN LINE ON THE TOP IS IDENTIFIED AS A GREENWAY THAT CONNECTS WITH STREET DISTRICT, THE STO RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD TO SO CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD AND KIND OF PROVIDE CONNECTION OF INTELLECT, OPEN SPACES AND AN ACTIVE CORRIDOR FOR BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS.

JUST, JUST A WAY, UH, CLARIFICATION, THE GREENWAY IS OWNED BY THE CITY AND IT WILL BE DEVELOPED BY THE CITY IN THE FUTURE.

JUST A QUICK RECAP ON THE HISTORY.

UM, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THERE WAS INFORMAL FEEDBACK THAT WAS PROVIDED, DETAILS OF WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

KEY MODIFICATIONS ARE RELOCATION OF THE EXISTING CURB CODES, WHICH WERE ESTABLISHED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BLOCK H ONE.

UM, TONIGHT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT 42 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED UNITS WITH REVISED BUILDING ELEVATIONS.

NEXT FEW SLIDES

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THE WAIVERS ARE A STANDARD PART OF THE BRI STREET CODE AND THEY HELP APPLICANTS TO CREATE A VERY DISTINCTIVE HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THE REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT MET OR WHERE THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT ARE NOT MET.

AND THEY ALLOW FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY TO THE APPLICANTS.

THEY MUST COMPLY WITH A SET CRITERIA WHICH ARE DETAILED OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT.

AND THOSE CRITERIA ARE TO BE MET FOR, ALLOW FOR ANY WAIVER TO BE APPROVED.

THE FIRST REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY LINE COVERAGE, WHICH IS ACROSS TAIL DIVE AND JOHN SHIELD PARKWAY, WHICH IS NOT MET, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TWO POCKET PARK PLAZAS TO ENSURE THAT THE INTENT OF THE COURT IS MET, UM, ALLOWING SOME PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS.

MINIMUM FINISHED FLOOR LEVEL ELEVATIONS ARE REQUEST, THE WAIVERS ARE REQUESTED FOR THOSE FOR THE HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW BLOCKS AND THE MINIMUM STOOP SIZE ARE REQUESTED FOR THE BLOCKS THOSE ARE HIGHLIGHTED AGAINST.

THESE ARE REQUESTED DUE TO THE CONSTRAINTS FOR THE EASEMENT LOCATIONS AND THE RIGHT OF WAY PROPERTIES AND THE GRADING FOR ALL THE REAR ELEVATIONS.

THERE IS A REQUEST FOR THE, SORRY FOR ALL THE SIDE ELEVATIONS.

THERE IS A FACADE TRANSPARENCY REQUEST.

THE BLANK WALL LIMITATIONS HORIZONTAL WINDOWS AS WELL AS VERTICAL FACADE DIVISIONS.

AGAIN, THESE ARE DUE TO INTERNAL LAYOUT AND THE SIDE GRADING FOR ALL THE RARE ELEVATIONS, THERE IS A REQUEST FOR FACADE TRANSPARENCY, FACADE MATERIALS, TOWER QUANTITY, AND BALCONY SIZE.

THESE ARE DUE TO STRUCTURAL CONSTRAINTS FOR CONSTRUCTING OR SITE TOPOGRAPHY.

STAFF HAS SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THE, THE APRON, WHICH IS PROPOSED FOR THE BLOCK H TWO AND H THREE MATCH THAT WAS APPROVED FOR BLOCK H ONE, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE IN RIGHT ON RIGHT HAND SIDE.

THIS IS TO ALLOW FOR CONSISTENCY BETWEEN ALL THE THREE BLOCKS AND THE HIGH QUALITY CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE BRI STREET DISTRICT.

SOME OF THE RBZ LINES ARE NOT ACCURATELY SHOWN.

THIS IS AGAIN INCLUDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

AND FOR BLOCK H THREE, UM, APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO WORK WITH STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THE PAVEMENT COULD BE, IF THAT COULD BE INCREASED AND THEY COULD BE INCREASE IN THE GREEN SPACE IF AT ALL, IT'S FEASIBLE WITH THAT STAFF.

UH, LISTED HERE ARE THE WAIVERS, WHICH STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF ALL THE CRITERIA ARE MET FOR THESE WAIVERS.

AND PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF 10 WAIVERS WITH FOLLOWING FIVE CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO REVISE THE ENTRANCE APRON MATERIAL TO ENSURE THAT IT ALIGNS WITH BLOCK H ONE, UM, WORK ON REDUCING THE PAVEMENT WITHIN THE BLOCK THREE H THREE IF AT ALL.

IT'S FEASIBLE WHILE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT AND ACCURATELY REPRESENT THE RBZ LINES AND PROVIDE SAMPLES FOR BRICK PAS AND LUMINARY CUT SHEETS WHICH WERE NOT PROVIDED AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH INJURING FOR ANY STORM WATER COMPLIANCE IF REQUIRED.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU MS. AND MS. ROUSH.

MR. BOGGS, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF YOU, UM, CAN, BEFORE WE GO INTO QUESTIONS, CAN YOU TALK THROUGH, AS IT'S BEEN SUBJECT OF PRETTY MUCH EVERY APPLICATION IN THE FORM-BASED CODE DISTRICT, CAN YOU TALK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WAIVERS, WHAT THOSE ARE AND WHAT THOSE ARE NOT? I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT.

SO THE WAIVERS IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE ARE A WAY TO TAILOR, UH, THE APPLICATION OF THAT BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE TO A SPECIFIC PROPERTY AND A SPECIFIC PROJECT.

UH, ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE BEING A FORM-BASED CODE VERSUS TRADITIONAL ZONING, THE FORM-BASED CODE IS LOOKING, UH, NOT EXCLUSIVELY, BUT I WOULD SAY PREDOMINANTLY AT THE PHYSICAL FORM OF THE BUILDING IT'S LAYOUT WITH RELATION TO LOTS AND BLOCKS AND MASSING, ET CETERA.

UH, HENCE WHY IT'S CALLED BASED.

SO IT CREATES THESE PARAMETERS, BUT THE WAIVER, UH, PROCESSES IN THERE RECOGNIZING THAT EVERY PIECE OF LAND IS UNIQUE.

AND SO PUTTING THE REGULATIONS OF THE FORM BASED CODE ON EVERY PIECE OF LAND IS NOT GONNA PRODUCE THE BEST PROJECT.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE WAIVER IS THERE FOR.

UH, ITS CRITERIA ARE DESIGNED TO ELICIT WHETHER THE WAIVERS REQUESTED ARE SIMPLY A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE OR WHETHER THEY ARE A MATTER OF, UH,

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DEVIATING FROM SOME AREA OF THE GENERAL FORM-BASED CODE TO BETTER TAILOR THE PROJECT TO THE SITE.

AND SPEAKING CONTRASTING WAIVERS IN FORM BASED CODE TO VARIANCES OR, UH, TO TRADITIONAL CODE.

CAN YOU TALK THROUGH HOW THEY ARE SIMILAR AND HOW THEY ARE DIFFERENT? SURE.

SO IN A TRADITIONAL ZONING CODE, YOU HAVE A VARIANCE PROCESS.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT EVEN HEARD, UH, AT LEAST IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

IT'S DONE THROUGH THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE AFTER THE ZONING HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE, SOMEBODY COMES AND IS EITHER DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY LATER OR IS TRYING TO, UM, ALTER THE PROPERTY AND FINDS THAT THERE IS SOME HARDSHIP THAT IS CAUSED BY THE APPLICATION OF THE ZONING ITSELF.

AND SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR A ONE-OFF, UH, VARIANCE THAT HAS, IT IS BASED ON PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY AND SUBSTANTIAL HARDSHIP WITH THE WAIVERS UNDER THE FORM-BASED CODE.

IT IS DONE ON THE FRONT END WHEN PROPERTY IS BEING DEVELOPED AND RATHER THAN BEING ON BASED ON SUBSTANTIAL HARDSHIP OR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY, IT IS BASED ON, UH, WHAT IS THE PHYSICAL NEED OF THIS PROPERTY THAT IS CAUSED BY THE, THE NATURE OF THIS UNIQUE PROPERTY, UH, COMBINED WITH THE INTENDED FUNCTION OF THE PROJECT SO THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S, UH, EVALUATED TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT DOES IN FACT MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE AND RESULT IN THE BEST PROJECT POSSIBLE.

LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION TO, TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PIGGYBACKED QUESTIONS ON WAIVER PROCESS AND FORM BASED CODE BEFORE WE GO INTO QUESTIONS.

MR. CHINOOK, I'M GONNA PICK ON YOU AGAIN.

UH, WASN'T READY.

UH, SO I GUESS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE BROUGHT UP, OR I GUESS FOR THE APPLICANT, SORRY, UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD BROUGHT UP LAST TIME WAS KIND OF THE VISIBILITY OF THE, THE, UM, WE'LL CALL 'EM THE INSIDE INTERIOR ELEVATIONS.

UM, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, AND I, AND I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T RECALL WHAT WE HAD LAST TIME, BUT WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO IMPROVE THOSE? 'CAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF VISIBILITY BACK TO THOSE BACK ELEVATIONS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

SORRY, THE REAR, UM, THOSE ACTUALLY THAT IT ACT IS THAT THE OLD THAT IT CUTS OFF? CAN YOU USE THE THIRD IMAGE ON MINE? THERE'S A DIFFERENT IMAGE.

I THINK IT'S, AND THEN PART OF THAT QUESTION, THE MATERIALS YOU'RE USING BACK THERE.

OH, EVEN THAT ONE KIND OF CUTS IT OFF.

SO, UM, IT WAS THE ONE THING THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION WHEN I WAS UP HERE BEFORE.

SO, UM, IF YOU RECALL IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, WE TURNED THE BRICK, BUT IT WAS ONLY SORT OF TO THE, THE, IT WAS LIKE A PIER EFFECTIVELY.

SO IT, IT WENT TO THE FIRST GARAGE DOOR.

UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS WE'VE ACTUALLY, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE ONE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, WE'VE TURNED THE MASONRY SO THAT IT GOES ALL THE WAY AND IT, IT ENCOMPASSES THE ENTIRE FIRST UNIT, UM, OF ALL, OF EACH OF THESE BUILDINGS AS YOU RUN THROUGH THE ENTIRE, UH, ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, AS WELL, WE'VE ADDED SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DETAILS AROUND THE WINDOWS.

SO WINDOW HEADS, SILLS JAMS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, UH, TO, TO TRY TO MAKE, TO MAKE THEM BETTER.

AND THAT'S AS HARD, IS THAT HARD EAST SIDING? YES, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT IS HARDY SORT.

AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THE, YOUR, YOUR, I I DO LIKE THE REMOVAL OF THE, THE, THE WALLS AS YOU CALL 'EM, UM, THE, THE LANDSCAPING.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE TYPE OF LANDSCAPING YOU'RE GONNA PUT THERE? IS IT EVERGREEN? IS IT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, IS IT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, 12 MONTH SCREENING OR WHAT'S YOUR VISION FOR THAT? SO I, I WILL INVITE, UM, I FORGOT TO MENTION, I HAVE AN ARMY BEHIND ME OF, UH, DESIGN CONSULTANTS, BUT I'LL INVITE OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THAT ONE.

HI, I AM, UH, DAVE GPO.

I'M WITH G TWO PLANNING AND DESIGN THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.

AND, UH, YES, INTERNALLY, UM, WITHIN THOSE COURTYARDS WE DO HAVE EVERGREENS.

UM, THEY ARE, UH, PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, SOME LUSH ENVIRONMENT WITHIN THE, THAT COURTYARD AND THEN ALSO PROVIDING A SCREEN FOR UTILITIES THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN THAT ISLAND AS WELL.

UH, WHAT IS THAT SIDE NORTH BY DALE DRIVE ON THE NORTH, WHAT IS IT NORTH? YEAH, YOU'LL SEE IT HERE.

DO, DO YOU MIND CALLING UP LANDSCAPING PLAN? CAN SORRY, CAN YOU, I, ONE OTHER LANDSCAPING QUESTION, THIS IS VERY DETAILED AND, BUT I WANTED TO CALL IT OUT.

SO DO YOU WANT ME TO GO PULL UP THE LANDSCAPING PLAN PLEASE? OKAY, THANK YOU.

THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE, UM, I GUESS WE'LL CALL 'EM DEAD END DRIVES.

UM, AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF, UH, OF, OF TREATING THOSE WITH LANDSCAPING AND MAKING THEM FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

UM, ONCE, ONCE WE HAVE IT UP, THERE'S, THERE'S THE, THE ONE THAT'S ON THE NORTH,

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KUDOS FROM KIM FOR THAT.

THAT'S IMPORTANT.

Y YEAH, SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE, IT, IT'S, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING ON THAT PARTICULAR, ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE ADDRESSED NICELY, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THIS, THIS, THIS DRIVE, UM, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE LANDSCAPED LIKE THE OTHER ONES ARE.

IT KIND OF SEEMS FORGOTTEN.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD MAYBE, AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S DETAILED IN PART IN SPECIFIC, BUT YEAH, THIS ONE WAS HANDED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UM, BECAUSE OF ONE WE'VE GOT, UH, SOME TRANSFORMERS LOCATED, UH, IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU CAN SEE OR THAT, UM, ARE SURROUNDED BY THE LANDSCAPE THAT TERMINATE AT THE END OF THAT, UH, DEAD END DRIVE.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, THE CIVIL COULD PROBABLY TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE EDUCATEDLY ON IT THIS THAN, THAN I CAN, BUT THE GRADE DROPS FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY DOWN.

SO WE'RE BASICALLY HIDING THE, UH, UTILITIES THROUGH GRADE.

AND THE LANDSCAPE IS ACTUALLY ON THE TOP OF THE GRADE, SO IT'S KIND OF SCREENED IN, UH, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE FASHIONS THROUGH GRADE CHANGE AND THEN ALSO THROUGH LANDSCAPE AT THE STREET LEVEL.

SO THE LANDSCAPE TAKES PLACE AT THE STREET LEVEL GRADE AND THEN THE GRADE DROPS WHERE THE SITE UTILITIES ARE.

DO, DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP? I, I WILL HAVE YOU NOTE YOU IMPRESSED WITH YOUR QUESTIONS.

, THE, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.

SO YES, I WAS GONNA ASK THE SAME ONE, SO OKAY.

I, WE'LL MAYBE ADDRESS THAT IN COMMENTS.

AND THEN ONE OTHER FINAL QUESTION.

UM, THIS THE, UM, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE WAIVERS.

CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE MORE OTHER THAN THE SIDE ELEVATION TRANSPARENCY ONE, I KNOW IT'S, UH, I MEAN MAYBE IT'S INCONVENIENT ON THE INTERIOR FLOOR PLANS, BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF, THERE'S SEEMS LIKE THERE'S MORE VISIBILITY TO THOSE SIDE ELEVATIONS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAN MAYBE IN OTHER APPLICATIONS.

IS THERE ANY WAY, I MEAN, I'M SURE YOU'VE CONSIDERED THE, THE ADDING MORE WINDOWS ON THOSE SIDE ELEVATIONS.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, CAN BE ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT? I AM CHUCK WILSON WITH FISHER HOMES INGER, KENTUCKY ARCHITECT, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT NOW FOR APPROXIMATELY NINE MONTHS AS FAR AS THE, THE SIDE ELEVATIONS ARE CONCERNED.

WE, WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES OF PUTTING WINDOWS IN THERE, BUT WE FELT LIKE WHAT WE CAME UP WITH GIVES A VERY NICE ALIGNMENT AND SYMMETRY.

WE CAN ADD MORE WINDOWS IN THERE, BUT IT BEGINS TO GET, I, I THINK IT'LL BEGIN TO LOOK LESS CONTROLLED.

AND WE DO HAVE LIMITATIONS ON THOSE SIDEWALLS ON THE SECOND FLOOR BETWEEN THAT, THE POP-OUT BAY AND THE DOUBLE WINDOWS ON, ON THE SECOND LEVEL, THAT, THAT'S A KITCHEN AREA ON THAT SIDEWALL DOWN BELOW THE DOUBLE WINDOWS TO THE, TO THE BACK OF THE UNIT WHERE YOU SEE THE CANTILEVER BALCONY THAT'S IN A GARAGE.

WE CAN, WE CAN TRY TO ADD.

AND, AND, AND ON THE THIRD FLOOR, THOSE ARE BEDROOMS. UH, THERE'S A BEDROOM, UH, I THINK A 10 FOOT DEEP BEDROOM.

SO IT'S A LIMITED SIZE BEDROOM ON THE ONE SIDE.

THEN WE HAVE A BATHROOM, BATHROOM ON THAT WALL ABOVE THE KITCHEN.

THEN WE HAVE A CLOSET IN THE FRONT.

SO WE ARE LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN PUT IN THERE.

UM, AND I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN SOME CASES, UH, LESS IS MORE, I THINK WE CAN ADD SOME WINDOWS.

WE CAN TRY TO FIND SOME SPOTS TO PUT WINDOWS IN THERE.

BUT I THINK THE ORGANIZATION AND THE OVERALL, UH, ALIGNMENT OF THOSE WINDOWS IS, IS GONNA SUFFER.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE ON THAT SIDEWALL RIGHT NOW, AND THAT THE AMOUNT OF ANIMATION THAT CERTAINLY WITH THE, THE PROJECTED CORNER BAY ADDS, ADDS A LOT OF CHARACTER.

ANY OF THE, ANY OF THE SIDEWALLS THAT ARE HIGH VISIBILITY CORNERS.

AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THE STREET NAMES AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE BAY ON THOSE, ON THOSE CORNERS.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A GREAT CHARACTER WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITHOUT ADDING ANYTHING MORE.

I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S AT THE RIGHT BALANCE RIGHT NOW.

BUT AGAIN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE THERE, YOU COULD GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO 20, MAYBE NOT, I, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE 20%, MAYBE NOT ALL THE WAY, BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU COULD ADD SOME WINDOWS IF REQUIRED? WE COULD.

MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

THANK YOU

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UM, FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT, AND THEN IT HAS THE, UM, UM, OH, THE JULIETTE BALCONIES, DO THE FRONT, IN THE FRONT DO, DOES THE DOORS OPEN THAT YOU CAN YES.

OPEN OUT TO? YES.

AND THEN HOW FAR DOES IT OPEN? DOES IT OPEN ALL THE WAY? AND IS THAT 36 FEET SAFE ENOUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, ACCIDENT TO HAPPEN AND SO FORTH? YEAH.

THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENT IN THIS, UH, RESIDENTIAL R THREE IS A 36, 36 INCH HIGH GUARDRAIL.

AND THOSE DOORS OPEN ALL THE WAY.

THEY DO ONE, ONE OF THE THREE DOORS OPENS ALL THE WAY.

AND THAT'S THE SAME ON THE BACK AS WELL TOO.

UM, ON THE, IN THE, IN THE BACK OF IT, UM, ON THE TOP ROOF PART, IT ALSO HAS LIKE A 36.

THAT 36 IS A REQUIREMENT.

WE DO, WE DID PUT THAT AT 42 INCHES.

42 INCHES.

BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF THAT.

OF, OF THAT ROOF TERRACE.

AND THEN, UM, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING ON THE ROOFTOP, YOU, UM, ONE PART OF IT, UH, CAN BE, UH, YOU KNOW, SET TO BE ABLE TO BE USED, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.

AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO DO THE SECOND PART, YOU COULD DO THAT AS WELL TOO.

IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO DO THAT, UM, AT THIS TIME, COULD YOU DO THAT LATER, ADD THAT SPACE LATER? IT'S POSSIBLE.

UM, AND THEN YOU, YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO PUT A MEMBRANE ON THAT, ON THAT.

A WALKABLE MEMBRANE ON THAT PORTION OF THE ROOF THAT CURRENTLY DOESN'T HAVE IT.

AND IS THAT A GOOD SPOT, THAT SECOND SPOT, LIKE MAYBE YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DO IT, LIKE FOR SOLAR PANELS, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT A FAMILY WOULD CONSIDER? AND WOULD THAT BE A, A GOOD SPOT FOR THAT? YOU CERTAINLY COULD.

IT'S A FLAT ROOF.

THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T DO THAT.

AND SO THERE'S NO, YOU COULD DO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S REGULATIONS HERE AS WELL TOO.

AND THEN HELP ME WITH, IT LOOKS LIKE SIDING IN THE BACK.

UM, AND I JUST HEARD HARD HARDY SIDING IS ARE, IS THAT WHAT THE PRODUCT YOU, YOU ARE USING? IT'S A, IT'S, CORRECT.

IT'S A CEMENTITIOUS LAP.

SIDING HARDY IS ONE OF THE PRODUCTS THAT YOU CAN GET.

THAT'S THE MOST COMMON PRODUCT THAT YOU GET.

BUT IT HAS A NICE, UH, DEPTH TO IT AND A CONSISTENCY, UM, THAT, THAT LOOKS REALLY NICE.

AND YOUR GOAL IS THAT, UM, THE FRONT AND THE BACK ALL HAVE A GENUINE, YOU KNOW, UH, CONTINUATION THAT IT ALL LOOKS LIKE JUST AS NICE IN THE FRONT AS IT DOES IN THE BACK? UH, YES.

ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK, I THINK ALL THE SIDES HAVE A REALLY NICE CHARACTER TO 'EM.

UM, CERTAINLY THE FRONTS ARE THE, ARE THE DOMINANT, AND I BELIEVE THE SIDES AT THE MOMENT ARE, THEY HAVE A VERY NICE CHARACTER, A VERY ORGANIZED, STRUCTURED CHARACTER TO 'EM.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, RUSSELL MENTIONED HOW, HOW THE PARAPETS STEP TO GIVE SOME MOVEMENT ON THE FRONT ELEVATIONS.

WELL, THE BUILDINGS ALSO PULL, PUSH AND PULL IN THE FRONT TO GIVE SOME REGULATION VARIATION TO THE BUILDING.

AND WE DID THAT ON THE BACK BY A A, AS RUSSELL MENTIONED, WE WRAPPED THE BRICK AROUND THE, THE, THE BACK ON EACH END UNIT.

AND THEN IN BETWEEN THAT WE HAVE THE, THE, THE HARDY SIDING, WHICH WE VARIED THE COLORS ON AS WE, AS WE STEP BACK AND FORTH.

AND IN THE BRICK ALSO, YOU SAW THAT WE HAVE THREE COLOR BRICK THERE.

WE HAVE A DARK BRICK, WE HAVE A MEDIUM RED BROWN BRICK, AND THEN WE HAVE THE, UH, THE WHITE BRICK.

AND SO THAT, THAT, THAT KIND OF COLOR VARIATION IS WHAT WE PICKED UP ON THE BACK OF THE UNITS TOO.

WE HAVE A GRAY AND A WHITER, A DARK AND, AND LIGHTER COLOR.

SO I THINK, YEAH, I THINK THAT CHARACTER IS, IS HANDLED VERY NICELY ON ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING.

AND THEN WITH, UH, LANDSCAPING, JUST A REAL QUICK QUESTION.

THE, THE PLOTS THAT ARE IN FRONT, IN FRONT, UH, ARE, CAN THOSE BE PERSONALIZED? I MEAN, CAN SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE TO DECORATE THE, OR DO THEY ALL HAVE TO STAY THE SAME? I, I COULDN'T REMEMBER HOW YOU, IF HOW YOU WENT WITH THAT, YOU'RE GONNA START IT OUT WITH LIKE, OH, HERE IT IS.

BUT COULD A FAMILY CHOOSE TO CHANGE IT UP AND OR, UH, PUT LITTLE DOODADS OUT THERE AND THINGS OF THAT SORT? YEAH.

I MEAN, AS AT THE MOMENT, WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE, UH, THE LANDSCAPE BE KIND OF FIXED AS STATED.

UM, HOWEVER WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSSION FOR, FOR THAT.

I THINK THE ONE OTHER THING SPECIFIC TO THAT, TO, TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND IS THAT THESE ARE CONDOS.

SO THERE WILL BE A CONDO ASSOCIATION MM-HMM .

YOU KNOW, SO TECHNICALLY THE EXTERIOR OF THESE BUILDINGS WILL BE OWNED BY EVERYBODY.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

NOT JUST THE FOLKS THAT LIVE BEHIND THAT DOOR.

WILL THEY DO THINGS? PROBABLY, YES.

THAT, THAT IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT EVERYONE'S SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW, THEY WOULDN'T BE DOING THAT.

BUT I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO NOTE

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AT LEAST NOT NOW ON THEIR PATIOS.

OH, YEAH.

AND, AND IN LARGER CITIES, THAT SEEMS TO BE A PRIVATE SPOT THAT PEOPLE KIND OF USE.

AND I WASN'T SURE HOW THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD GO THERE TOO.

AND THEN, UH, ONE QUESTION FOR THE CITY TOO.

UM, HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO MR. FORD ABOUT SOME OF THE, ABOUT THE PRODUCTS THEY'RE GONNA BE USING AND IF, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST CHECKING AND SEEING? SO WE HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO MR. FORD JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE VERY HIGH QUALITY PRODUCTS, AND THEY ARE MEETING THE INTENT OF THE CODE, AND THEY ARE LISTED WITHIN THE CODE.

THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. WAY.

MR. CHINOOK STOLE MY THUNDER.

NO, UM, NO, HE, NO, HE DIDN'T.

ANYWAY, UM, I, I'M GONNA ASK QUESTIONS.

I JUST WANNA MAKE A STATEMENT THAT I OPENED UP THIS PACKET AND I SAW THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND I WENT, WOW.

I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD AT THE LAST MEETING, I THINK LANDSCAPE IS STARTING TO HELP MITIGATE THOSE.

AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

UM, I HAVE SOME VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT, AGAIN, YOU'VE USED CERTAIN PLANT MATERIAL IN CERTAIN PLACES, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE THE POINT ABOUT THOSE, THOSE STUB DRIVEWAYS.

I THINK IN GENERAL, YOU'VE GOT THE RIGHT APPROACH, BUT THE PLANT MATERIAL THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING IN SOME PLACES IS A TALL UPRIGHT, UM, YOU AND OTHERS, IT'S LOW.

AND IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO GET SOMETHING TALLER AT THE ENDS ON EVERGREEN.

SO I GUESS I'M JUST, THAT IS A QUESTION.

ARE YOU OPEN TO KIND OF LIKE, PLAYING AROUND A LITTLE BIT WITH THE, WITH WHERE CERTAIN, IT CAN BE THE SAME PALETTE, BUT JUST USING A TALLER EVERGREEN AT THE ENDS OF THOSE, UH, UM, DEAD END DRIVES? YEAH, AND ABSOLUTELY.

WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO, TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLANT MATERIAL.

UM, I BELIEVE A LOT OF THE PLANT MATERIAL THAT WE'RE USING WAS A, A XIS, WHICH COULD VARY IN HEIGHT AND WIDTH, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU PRUNE AND CARE FOR IT OVER TIME.

SO, UM, BUT UH, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE, ONE, UM, IN PARTICULAR, I COULD DEFINITELY TALK TO YOU THAT, BUT YEAH, WE ARE DEFINITELY OPEN TO THE HII IS TALLER THAN THE, THE OTHER ONE IS MORE SPREADING, RIGHT? MEDIA.

SMIS IS MORE SPREADING, RIGHT? YEAH.

SMIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE WIDE.

THE HII IS TYPICALLY MORE VERTICAL.

AGAIN, I'M JUST, AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S JUST A COMMENT GOING BACK TO THAT, THE FIRST QUESTION ABOUT WHY YOU DIDN'T PUT THE PLANT MATERIAL AT, AT ONE DRY BECAUSE OF THE TRANSFORMER.

SO, YEAH.

UM, AGAIN, I WOULD, UM, THAT'S ANOTHER AREA THAT AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT HOW CAN YOU PUT SOME PLANT MATERIAL IN THERE AND MAYBE NOT JUST, I'M GETTING TO QUESTIONS MM-HMM .

UM, ANYWAY.

GREAT, GREAT.

ALL AROUND.

EXCEPT THOSE POINTS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF THE WALLS, I THINK THERE'S A LANDSCAPE TREATMENT THERE THAT, AND THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ONE IS ON THE, I ALWAYS GET MY DIRECTIONS WRONG ON THE SOUTH, IS THAT RIGHT? WEST SIDE .

ANYWAY, YOU'VE GOT A TREE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE, THE TALLER USED THERE.

I THINK THAT IS LIKE THE PERFECT WAY TO PUNCTUATE THOSE.

THOSE ENDS.

AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M GETTING INTO DELIBERATIONS, .

UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS THE, THE POCKET PARTS ARE REALLY COOL, AND I THINK THAT'S AGAIN, ANOTHER ELEMENT OF TREATING THE CORNERS.

I DIDN'T SEE ANY LIGHTING STRATEGY FOR THOSE.

AND I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT DO THOSE LOOK LIKE AT NIGHT? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'VE CONSIDERED? YEAH.

UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN, THAT, THAT, UH, BIG BLACK DOT, RIGHT? UH, YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

UM, THAT'S IN THE LAYOUT MATERIALS PLAN.

WE'RE CALLING THAT OUT AS A, AN ELECTRICAL LIGHT POLE.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT ILLUMINATED.

AND THEN LIKEWISE IN THE OTHER POCKET PARK TOO, WITH, UH, LIGHT POLES THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE INTENDED TO MATCH, UM, THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, UM, FOR, BUT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING LIKE AT THE GROUND LEVEL, YOU'VE GOT THOSE STONE PIECES, UM, YOU'VE GOT THE BENCHES THAT YOU COULD DO SOME LOW LEVEL LIGHTING THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MAKE THOSE THINGS GLOW AT NIGHT.

YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT.

AT THE MOMENT.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT INCLUDED, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER.

AND THEN THE, THE NEXT THING WAS, UM, AND AGAIN, I'M ASKING QUESTIONS.

THESE ARE SPECIFIC, UM, THE, THE PLAN FOR WHERE YOU'RE LOCATING BIKE RACKS, UM, THERE'S NO BIKE RACK UP IN THE, DO I HAVE MY DI DIMENSION, MY DIRECTIONS RIGHT UP IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF JOHN SHIELDS AND PAGE NORTHWEST.

YEAH, THERE'S, AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE ON THE GREENWAY, THAT BOTH OF THE CORNERS WOULD BE A PLACE TO PUT A BI BICYCLE RACK AND THERE.

I MEAN, WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY CONSIDER, AND THE SAME THING WITH THE OTHER, THE OTHER GREEN SPACE BASE.

MM-HMM.

UM, WOULD BE REALLY, THERE ISN'T ONE ON THE UPPER SIDE.

AND IT WOULD BE NICE, AGAIN, PEOPLE MOVING ALONG EAST WEST OR MOVING TO HAVE THAT, THOSE CORNERS, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.

HAVE A PLACE TO PUT A BIKE IN ANYWAY, SO YOU'RE OPEN TO

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CONSIDERATION OF THAT.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

UN UH, THE SOUTH END OF JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY.

UM, WE DO HAVE, YOU HAVE ONE? YEAH, A FEW BIKE RACKS THERE.

UM, NOT ON THE NORTH END THOUGH, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT.

BUT IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE NORTH, YOU MIGHT WANNA STOP AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE PARK OR MM-HMM .

ANYWAY.

THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER.

THOSE ARE THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAD.

UH, JUST A COUPLE.

FIRST OF ALL, I WAS PLEA, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT.

I WILL ASK QUESTIONS.

I WAS PLEASED TO SEE THE ELEVATIONS.

IT'S CLEAR YOU LISTENED TO COMMENTS TO THE BOARD.

UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE PRIORITIZED, AND I THINK THE STAFF HAS GIVEN YOU A BIT OF A PASS ON THIS.

YOU'VE PRIORITIZED PLAN ORGANIZATION VERSUS ELEVATION ORGANIZATION.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS THAT HAVE BAYS, INSTEAD OF LINING UP THE WINDOWS, THERE'S THAT ODD ASYMMETRY BETWEEN THE WINDOWS ABOVE THE BAY AND THE WINDOWS IN THE BAY ITSELF.

AND SO IT'S HARD TO SEE YOUR ELEVATION IN A UNIFIED WAY.

DID YOU EXPLORE HOW YOU MODIFY THE PLAN TO MAKE THAT WORK? AND IF WE COULD BRING UP ONE OF THOSE DRAWINGS? WE ARE, WE ARE LIMITED BY THE, BY THE BEDROOMS AND THE WIN WINDOW PLACEMENTS UP THERE ON THAT THIRD FLOOR THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOVE THE BAY AND, AND ABOVE THE, THE, THE DOORS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

THAT, THAT'S KINDA MY POINT.

DID YOU EXPLORE REVISING THE PLAN TO MAKE THE ELEVATIONS A BIT MORE ORDERLY IN THOSE AREAS IN ORDER TO DO THAT? I THINK WE'D HAVE TO REDESIGN THE PLANS.

UM, THE, THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT CHANGING THE PLANS, THE FLOOR PLANS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

WE WORKED WITH THE FLOOR PLANS AND COORDINATED THE ELEVATIONS.

I THINK AS, UH, IN AN ORGANIZED WAY.

THERE MAY BE SOME ALIGNMENT THAT YOU FEEL LIKE, UM, IS MISSING ON THOSE, ON THOSE ELEVATIONS.

BUT I THINK A LITTLE BIT, THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE ELEVATIONS, KIND OF THE, THE TR THE TRADITIONAL MIXED WITH THE MODERN GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO ACHIEVE SOME ASYMMETRY, UM, THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE IF IT WAS A TRUE TRADITIONALLY DESIGNED EXTERIOR.

UH, SECOND QUESTION.

YOU'RE USING, I'M, I LOOKED UP THE SPECIFICATION.

THEY'RE NOT USING JAMES HARDY PANEL PRODUCT.

THE, THE PANEL PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE USING, THE SPEC IS APPLYING THAT AS A RAIN SCREEN, IS THAT RIGHT ON ON THE PROJECTED BASE? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

IT'S, IT'S A, OKAY.

IT'S SO, IT, IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN HARDY.

SO WHEN WE SEE HARDY, MOST OF THE TIME YOU SEE BATTEN STRIPS LIKE THE LAST APPLICANT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE UPPER LEVEL OF THAT, THERE ARE A SERIES OF STRIPS THAT ARE OVER THE JOINTS.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MATERIAL.

DID, IS THIS EXACTLY THE MATERIAL AND THE INSTALLATION YOU USED AT, AT H TWO? OKAY.

FOR THE RECORD, YES.

THAT'S THE, UM, NIE, THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S, IT'S THE SAME AS HERE.

BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF UNIQUE IN THIS AREA TO, TO USE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF FORD EVALUATED THIS SYSTEM, UM, VERSUS JUST, JUST HARDY.

UM, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL.

I'M NOT, IT'S NOT A CRITICISM, BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT NEEDS TO BE, THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.

UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE WALL, I, I APPRECIATE THE WALL SECTION, THE DETAILS IN HERE.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOUR WALL SECTIONS ARE SHOWING ALL FULL DEPTH BRICK, WHEREVER WE SEE BRICK.

AND SO IF YOU'RE GONNA USE FULL DEPTH BRICK, IS IT, I'M HOPING YEAH.

YES, IT IS.

ALL FULL DEPTH BRICK.

THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

JUST ONE CLARIFICATION, MR. HUNTER, WHILE YOU'RE UP HERE, UH, WHERE THE COMMISSION HAS SEEN NIETZSCHE HA FOR IS A FAUX WOOD PRODUCT THAT IS NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS.

IT IS NO THE SAME NAME, BUT A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PRODUCT.

CORRECT? IT, IT, IT ACTUALLY HAS A LOT, IT HAS TEXTURES AND COLORS THAT CAN BE A FAUX WOOD.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A PANEL THAT IS A SMOOTH SURFACE PANEL.

IT IS A FIBER CEMENT PANEL, BUT IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S A SMOOTH SURFACE.

THE COLOR IS WARM WHITE AND IN A LOT OF WAYS IT MIMICS WHAT WOULD BE A METAL PANEL.

I, I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HEARD THAT BECAUSE NIETZCHE HA HAS A DIFFERENT CONTEXT

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FOR US.

WE DON'T SEE IT VERY OFTEN, BUT THIS IS NOT IT.

SO CAN I FOLLOW UP WITH THAT? BUT IT'S AN APPROVED MATERIAL.

SO THERE'S NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING WE CAN DEBATE.

IT'S AN APPROVED MATERIAL.

THANK YOU MR. OCK.

ALRIGHT, MR. DESLER, MOVING ON TO YOUR QUESTIONS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I'M GOOD.

MR. B MINE.

WE'RE ACTUALLY INTERESTED AS WELL.

AND I'M IN THE SAME BOAT, SO MY QUESTIONS ARE ASKED AND ANSWERED.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

AT THIS TIME WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD MAKE LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? IN THE MEANTIME, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY DURING THE LIVE STREAM? NO.

WE WILL THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

UH, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO COMMISSION DISCUSSION.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE ASKED TO, UH, REVIEW AND APPROVE THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UH, MR. CHINOOK, I'M GONNA START WITH YOU AGAIN THIS EVENING.

HEY REBECCA, I HAVE A QUESTION ON YES, MR. DISH.

IT SOUNDS LIKE I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE WE, JUST BEFORE WE STARTED, IS THAT I MAY HAVE MISCOUNTED, I KNOW THIS, YOU NORMALLY DO THIS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE COULD, WE COULD HAVE MAYBE THREE CONDITIONS THEN TO THE, UH, THE CONDUCTIVE, THE WAIVER PIECE.

BUT THE, THERE'S, WE HAVE TO ADD THREE, THERE'S FOUR CONDITIONS THERE.

WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO ADD THREE MORE.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THOSE BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, DO OUR DELIBERATIONS OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA OCCUR AFTER? SO WE WANNA DO THAT IN TURN WITH OUR DISCUSSION.

WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING.

SO ANYONE WHO BROUGHT UP AN ITEM DURING QUESTIONS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE COMMISSIONS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED DURING COMMISSION DISCUSSION.

BRING, DO YOU WANNA GO OVER, I MEAN, WE CAN GO OVER.

NO, YOU GOT IT.

I YOU GO.

'CAUSE I HAD, 'CAUSE I HAD VERY SIM SIMILAR POINTS THAT YOU MADE.

I HAD THE SAME, SAME QUESTIONS.

SO WHY DON'T YOU START AND THEN I, YEAH, AGAIN, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

I THINK WE, WE ALL, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED ALL OF OUR COMMENTS, UM, FROM, FROM PAST PRESENTATIONS.

UM, I, I DO THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE LANDSCAPING PIECE, WHICH I BROUGHT UP AND I AM NOT, UM, IN FAVOR OF, UH, GRANTING WAIVER.

THREE, I THINK WE NEED TO STUDY TO MR. ALEXANDER'S POINT TOO.

I THINK THERE'S SOME, MAYBE THIS IS A CONDITION, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE IT.

I GUESS I'M ASKING THE COMMISSION, BUT TO ME THERE'S A, UH, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE WINDOW STUDIES THAT MR. ALEXANDER BROUGHT UP.

AND THEN ALSO, AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE, UM, BLANK WALL WAIVER TO ME IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF CONSIDER.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A, IT IS A VERY GOOD, GOOD PROPOSAL.

GOOD, GOOD SOLUTION.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU MR. CHINON.

MS. HARDER, THANKS FOR COMING TONIGHT.

I'M IN FAVOR.

I WOULD ALSO AGREE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE MENTIONING THIS EVENING AS WELL TOO.

AND THE ONE THAT WAS JUST MENTIONED.

THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER.

THANK YOU, MS. HARDER MR. WAY.

AND I GUESS I ALREADY SAID I WAS IN SUPPORT AND I JUST HAVE A COUPLE THINGS I, I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER ADDING TO THE CONDITIONS.

I, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT THE OTHERS HAVE SAID.

I, I, I, I DON'T WANNA, I I MY CO MY COMMENT AT THE SAME TIME, I DIDN'T WANNA HOLD THE APPLICANT'S FEET TO THE FIRE AND SAY, I WON'T APPROVE IT IF YOU DON'T DO THIS.

SO I DIDN'T, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE, I, I DO THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THE WINDOWS ALIGN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY COME A LONG WAY AND I JUST, I I'M NOT AS, I'M NOT AS STRONG THAT, THAT, THAT HAS TO BE IN THERE.

SO, UM, I, I'M WILLING PERSONALLY, I WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE ON IT EVEN THOUGH I THINK THE ELEVATIONS WOULD BE BETTER.

BUT THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER.

I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE AS WELL.

I DO SHARE THE, THE WAIVER PIECE, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT JAMIE HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THE BLANK WALLS.

I KNOW THAT MAYBE THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED.

WE DON'T GRANT THE WAIVER, BUT SOMEHOW WE GIVE A CONDITION.

I THINK THAT COULD BE FIGURED OUT.

UM, I KNOW THERE WAS GONNA BE A POTENTIAL CONDITION AND I, I'M, HOPEFULLY I DON'T STEP ON, UH, KIM'S POSITION ON THIS RELATIVE TO SOME OF THE MATERIAL CHOICES, UH, FOR MORE SCREENING FROM A VERTICAL PERSPECTIVE.

AND THEN I ALSO AGREE WITH THE SURFACE LIGHTING, UH, PIECE.

IN ADDITION, I KNOW THERE'S, MAYBE YOU TALKED ABOUT A POST OR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE DESIGNED, BUT I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL INTEGRATED, UH, SURFACE LIGHTING AS WELL.

SO I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT TOO FROM A CONDITION PERSPECTIVE.

BUT BEYOND THAT, I, I'M SUPPORTIVE.

AND I GUESS INTENSITY OR HEIGHT OF THE, UH, SCREENING LANDSCAPING.

THANK YOU MR. KLER.

MR. GAR, THANK YOU.

UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE AND SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, OF ALL THE WAIVERS.

ACTUALLY, I DO THOUGH, UH, ECHO KIM AND JASON'S POINT ABOUT THE GROUND LIGHTING AND, UH, THE, UH,

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THANK YOU, MR. CARVIN.

UH, SO I TOOK IT UP TO FOUR AND THEN BACKED IT DOWN TO THREE WITH MR. ALEXANDER'S.

UM, LAST COMMENT, UM, I HAVE FROM THE COMMISSION DISCUSSION, I HAVE A REQUEST, UM, FROM AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION TO ADDRESS THE VERTICAL LANDSCAPING ADJACENT TO THE, THE TERMINUS, THOSE DEAD END STREETS.

I HAVE LIGHTING IN THE, AND I'LL KIND OF KEEP THIS A LITTLE BIT BROAD, BUT LIGHTING IN THE POCKET PLAZAS.

I HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF TO, AND THE WAY THAT I WROTE THIS WAS WORK WITH STAFF TO INCREASE THE TRANSPARENCY TO MITIGATE THE BLANK WALL LIMITATION IN WAIVER NUMBER THREE.

AND THEN I BACKED OFF OF THE WINDOW ALIGNMENT, LOOKING FOR AT LEAST FOUR HEAD NODS ON THE COMMISSION.

I'LL DO THOSE IN TURN.

SO, UH, LANDSCAPE, WORKING WITH STAFF, VERTICAL LANDSCAPING, AND I SEE AT LEAST FOUR HEAD NODS, UH, WORK WITH STAFF TO INCREASE THE TRANSPARENCY TO, UH, MITIGATE THE BLANK WALL LIMITATION.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT THOUGH.

DO, DOES, DOES THAT AFFECT THE WAIVER THOUGH? LIKE YES, IT WOULD.

IT WOULD.

UH, AND THEN LANDSCAPING AND THEN THE LIGHTING AND THE BICYCLE RACK.

OH, BICYCLE RACK.

UH, AND, AND I THINK THAT COULD BE A CONDITION RATHER THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

OH YEAH.

JUST WORK WITH STAFF.

UM, BICYCLE, WE DIDN'T DO HEAD KNOTS ON THAT.

SO AGAIN, THE STRAW POLL, I'M GETTING AT LEAST FOUR.

HAVE A LOOK AT THAT.

I CAN COUNT TO FOUR.

SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON WITH ANY MODIFICATIONS AND MAKING, YOU KNOW, MS. SING'S FINGERS FLY OVER A KEYBOARD.

UM, MR. HUNTER, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING FOR THOSE MODIFICATIONS TO WAIVERS AND CONDITIONS? THE, THE ONLY THING THAT I, THE ONLY THING THAT I WANT TO CLARIFY IS ABOUT THIS WAIVER THREE AND THE CONDITION THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON IT.

AND THE REASON, BECAUSE I, I KNOW WHAT A, A HORNET'S NEST WE COULD, WE COULD POTENTIALLY RUN INTO WITH THE PLANS.

AS WE START TO LOOK AT THIS IS THE INTENTION THAT WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO TRY TO ADD WINDOWS OR PERHAPS TO MAKE WINDOWS LARGER, BUT NOT THAT WE ARE, WE ARE DUTY BOUND TO MEET THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE CODE.

SO I'M GONNA DO A STRAW POLL ON THIS.

AND MR. CHINOOK, I'M GONNA GO LAST TO YOU.

UM, MR. BOX, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE? I DO A LITTLE BIT OF A STRAW POLL.

WELL, YEAH, I GUESS SO.

UM, I THINK I SEE WHERE MR. HUNTER IS, IS GOING.

MS. RASER AND I WERE, UH, DISCUSSING THIS.

IS THAT WITHOUT THE WAIVER, IF THERE IS MORE THAN THE, WHAT IS IT, 14 FEET BETWEEN THESE WINDOWS? THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, IT'S A NO, DO IT, IT'S A NO.

SO THE THOUGHT, AT LEAST AT THIS TABLE, WAS TO CONDITION THE WAIVER ON WORKING WITH STAFF TO IDENTIFY STRATEGIES TO MITIGATE THAT BLANK WALL OR, UM, AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.

SO I WAS GONNA LEAVE MR. CHIN TO LAST SINCE HE HAD THE MOST EMPHATIC, UH, OPINION ON THIS.

I WAS GONNA START WITH MR. GARVIN.

UM, IF THE CONDITION IS THE WAIVER IS SUBJECT TO WORKING WITH STAFF TO PROVIDE MITIGATION STRATEGIES TO LIMIT THE, THE THE BLANK WALL, WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AS A CONDITION? YES, AND I'D KEEP THE WAIVER.

I JUST NOTE THAT THAT'S, UH, PROBABLY A SMALLER ISSUE FOR ME THAN OTHER MEMBERS.

SO I THINK THAT YOU HAVE THE WAIVER OF THAT DISTANCE REQUIREMENT, UH, BUT IT IS SUBJECT TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF STRATEGIES ARRIVED AT BETWEEN APPLICANT AND STAFF TO MITIGATE THE APPEARANCE OF THE BLANK WALL.

SO HOW DO WE WORD IT THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME MITIGATION? 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO BE WHERE IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE TRIED AND WE COULDN'T.

SO WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON THAT PIECE? SO RIGHT NOW, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT'S IN WORDING.

I THINK IT'S IN, THEY ARE WORKING WITH STAFF STAFF'S GONNA HOLD THEM TO THAT.

AND SO IT'S OUR DELEGATING THAT PRECISION ON HOW IT'S MITIGATED TO STAFF.

STAFF UNDERSTANDS AND, AND THE APPLICANT HAS PUBLIC RECORD OF WHAT OUR DISCUSSION IS.

THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF MODIFICATION YOU'VE HEARD MR. HUNTER SAY.

AND THAT'S FINE.

THE WAY YOU JUST SAID IT IS FINE.

THERE MUST BE SOME TYPE OF MODIFICATION CORRECT.

AND COMFORT.

THEN I'M, AND YOU'VE HEARD MR. HUNTER SAY, HEY, IF WE'RE GONNA INCREASE, IF WE'RE GONNA ADD TREATMENTS, IF WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE CONDITION A CONDITION PRECEDENT FOR THE GRANTING OF THE WAIVER.

THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THEN.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD CALL IT A CONDITION PRECEDENT BECAUSE THERE MAY BE STRATEGIES THAT STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARRIVE AT TO MITIGATE THIS BLANK WALL ISSUE THAT STILL DO NOT PUT WINDOWS WITHIN 14 FEET OF EACH OTHER.

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AND GOING BACK TO REBECCA'S LANGUAGE, THERE MUST BE SOME MODIFICATION.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF.

WONDERFUL.

WITH THE WAIVER.

THANK YOU MR. DESLER.

MR. ALEXANDER, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

MR. WE ON SUPPORT? YES, MS. HARDER? MR. CHINOOK? OH, I THOUGHT WAS GONNA GET A NO FROM YOU.

NO, I, NO, I AGREE WITH YOU.

'CAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T, AGAIN, I, I DUNNO IF WE CAN EVEN PUT A CONDITION OF PERCENTAGE ON IT BECAUSE I THINK, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I DON'T, I, I AGREE THAT WE CAN'T GET TO THE 20% REQUIREMENT, BUT CAN WE GET TO, I, WE CAN'T PROBABLY PUT A PERCENTAGE ON IT, BUT CAN WE GET TO 10%? I JUST TO THE POINT OF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON IT.

SO I'D BE FINE IF WE GOT TO 10% OR WHATEVER THAT IS.

WHILE, UM, SO WE ARE TWO AND A HALF HOURS IN, WOULD THERE BE SUPPORT FROM THE COMMISSION? I DO NOT HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, BUT TO GIVE STAFF A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO DRAFT THESE THREE NEW CONDITIONS, UM, WOULD THE COMMISSION BE SUPPORTIVE OF A, A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? AGAIN, SOFT FOREHEAD KNOTS, WE WILL RECONVENE IN FIVE MINUTES.

WELCOME BACK LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

MISSING, DO YOU HAVE THOSE? PERFECT.

UM, I'LL GIVE A MOMENT FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, THE CONDITIONS THERE.

UM, MR. BOGGS, I THINK NUMBER ONE DOESN'T QUITE GET TO WHAT WE WERE REQUESTING BECAUSE THE WAIVER IS SUBJECT TO WORKING WITH STAFF.

SO WHAT I HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION WAS THEY WERE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF GRANTING WAIVER NUMBER THREE UNLESS AND UNTIL THERE WAS SOME MODIFICATION FROM WORKING WITH STAFF.

SORRY, CAN I GET CLARIFICATION AS WELL FROM THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE POCKET PARK LIGHTING, MY IMPRESSION WAS IT WAS SPECIFICALLY GROUND LIGHTING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO PUT THAT INTO.

THANK YOU MR. GARVIN.

AND FOR THE RECORD, THOSE WERE HEAD NODS.

SO AGREEMENT OF YES.

DOWN LIGHTING IN THE POCKET PLAZAS.

IT WOULD BE TWO ON DALE DRIVE.

LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, MR. ALEXANDER, WE'RE REFERRING TO WAIVER THREE AND THE PLANNING RECOMMENDATION.

AM I MISSING SOMETHING? SO WAIVER NUMBER THREE IS SEPARATE.

SO THIS IS WAIVER NUMBER 3, 1 52 DASH 62.

SO IT'S NOT CONDITION NUMBER THREE, SO THAT'S FINE.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE COMBINATION ON NUMBER FOUR OF POCKET PARK LIGHTING AND THE BIKE RACKS.

UM, I THINK HOWEVER, THE BIKE RACKS WERE, IT'S REALLY ON, IN ADDITION TO JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY.

THERE WAS, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY THE,

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AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S JUST MOVING TO, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY ADDING MORE.

IT MIGHT JUST BE MOVING TO, TO UP TO DALE DRIVE.

SO IT'S AT THE CORNER OF JOHN SHIELDS AND DALE DRIVE AND THEN DALE DRIVE IN THAT GREEN SPACE IS THE TWO PLACES THAT I THOUGHT.

UM, WOULD IT BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE COMMISSION, MR. WE SPECIFICALLY TO SAY MOVEMENT OF THE BIKE RACKS PER THE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, LOOKING TO THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE? UH, YES.

THAT SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE.

AND, UM, SHE'S JUST MAKING THE MODIFICATION.

WE GOT THE LIGHTING ONE, RIGHT? YEAH.

POCKET PLAZA.

POCKET PARK.

I THINK THE WAY THE TEXT READ, WE SAY AT THE END OF THE DEAD END STREETS, NOT NEAR DEAD END STREETS, JUST NEAR.

CAN WE SAY AT THE END OF THE DEAD END STREETS NOT AT NEAR THE DEAD END STREET.

NEAR DOESN'T SOUND SO SPECIFIC ENOUGH.

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE 10 WAIVERS WITH THE CONDITION ADDED THAT YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREEN THERE.

SECOND.

ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT CASE.

I HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.

MS. MAXWELL, MS. CALL? YES.

THANK YOU MS. MA MAXWELL.

UH, AND NOW I WILL ENTERTAIN, UM, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE MODIFIED CONDITIONS AS DISCUSSED AND SEEN ON THE SCREEN.

I'LL MOVE.

THANK YOU MR. DESLER.

DO I HAVE SECOND? SECOND.

THANK YOU MS. MAXWELL.

THANK YOU MR. HUNTER.

[Items Case #24-157PDP & Case #25-037CU]

THIS CASE IS 24 DASH 1 57 PDP BECAUSE THE TWO CASES, THE FOLLOWING TWO CASES PERTAIN TO THE SAME PROJECT ON THE SAME PROPERTY WITH THE SAME APPLICANTS.

WE WILL DISCUSS THEM TOGETHER.

SEPARATE VOTES WILL BE HELD FOR EACH.

THE FIRST ONE IS 24 DASH 1 57 PDP, SECOND BEING 25 DASH 0 3 7 CU.

THIS IS BRIDGE PARK BLOCK J PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PARKING PLAN, AND CONDITIONAL USE.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW, UH, AND APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ALLOW A NEW MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW A PARKING STRUCTURE ALONG THE STREET.

THE APPROXIMATELY FIVE AND A THIRD ACRE SITE IS ZONED V-S-D-S-R-N BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CIO RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF BRIDGE PARK AVENUE AND DALE DRIVE.

WITH THAT, I WILL INVITE MR. HUNTER BACK FORWARD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, GOT ANOTHER ARMY OF CONSULTANTS HERE.

UM, SO I, THERE'S A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS THAT I WANTED TO, UM, TO DISCUSS AND THEN I'LL LET THEM SPEAK ABOUT EACH OF THEIR, UH, PARTICULAR, UM, PIECES OF THE DESIGN OF THIS.

UM, I THINK THE REALLY AMAZING THING, AND IT'S A TESTAMENT TO, UH, QUITE FRANKLY ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, IS THAT DESPITE EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING SORT OF IN THE MACROECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT, WE CONTINUE TO SEE OFFICE INTEREST AT BRIDGE PARK.

UM, AND I KNOW THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSSED AT THE, UH, THE CONCEPT PLAN.

CENOVUS IS MOVING THEIR, UH, THEIR HEADQUARTERS TO THIS OFFICE BUILDING.

SO THEY ARE OUR ANCHOR TENANT.

THEY ARE CONTINUING TO BE INCREDIBLY INVOLVED, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH INTERIOR DESIGN OF THE SPACE.

UM, WE HAVE ALSO REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH CODA.

UM,

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WE, WE'VE, IT TOOK SOME TIME, BUT WE GOT THERE.

UM, AND SO WE NOW UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW, UH, THE LOGISTICS WILL FALL IN PLACE, BOTH TEMPORARY BUT PERMANENT FOR THEIR PARK AND RIDE.

AND EVENTUALLY, UM, AS THEY, UH, BRING THE REST OF THE, THE, UH, THE, THE BUSES UP, UH, UNTIL, I'M TOTALLY BLANKING ON WHAT THEY'RE CALLED, BUT THE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, ALONG 1 61.

UM, SO, AND, AND REALLY WORKED WITH THEM ON HOW THAT'S GOING TO INTERFACE WITH THAT ELLIS GARAGE.

I THINK, UM, THE ONE THING THAT, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD A REALLY ROBUST DISCUSSION, UH, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT CENTER STREET, UM, THE STREET LAYOUT.

AND I SUSPECT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK A LOT ABOUT TONIGHT.

SO I, I'M PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.

AND BELIEVE ME, THE DISCUSSIONS DID NOT STOP.

UM, AFTER OUR CONCEPT PLAN.

I THINK WE, WE, WE REALLY WORKED HARD ON THIS TO UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF COMPLETELY ABANDONING IT OR LEAVING IT IN.

AND I THINK WHERE WE'VE ALL LANDED IS THAT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF LOGISTICAL REASONS, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO WHY WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONNECT THE DOTS.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR ABOUT HOW THAT CENTRAL PARK OPEN SPACE NEEDS TO FEEL LIKE IT IS A PART RUNNING THROUGH THAT, SO THAT IT ALL FEELS AS ONE.

AND SO WE'VE GONE TO GREAT LINKS TO TRY TO MITIGATE HOW THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, CONNECTION WILL AFFECT, UH, THE PARK.

SO, UM, REALLY EXCITED TO BRING THIS TO YOU.

WE THINK WE'VE MADE A LOT OF GREAT PROGRESS ON THIS.

WE KNOW THAT THIS IS JUST THE PRELIMINARY AND WE'VE GOT ONE MORE STEP TO GO.

BUT WITH THAT, I WANTED TO INVITE, UH, MKSK, UH, WHO'S OUR LANDSCAPE DESIGNER TO GO IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT HOW, HOW THEY'VE BEEN DESIGNING THAT.

HALEY, HELLO EVERYBODY.

I'M HALEY WOLF.

UM, 4 6 2 SOUTH LULE STREET.

UM, I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE, UH, LANDSCAPE SITE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE SITE.

UM, AND I'M ACTUALLY REALLY EXCITED 'CAUSE THERE IS QUITE A BIT FOR US TO DO ON THIS ONE.

SO, UM, ONE OF THE MORE OBVIOUS THINGS ABOUT THE SITE PLAN IS PROBABLY THE SUBSTANTIAL OPEN SPACE THAT YOU SEE, UH, ESPECIALLY AT THE CORE OF THE SITE.

UM, THIS IS DEFINITELY, UM, A LOT MORE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER BLOCKS ON BRIDGE PARK, UH, THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE.

UM, A LOT LESS URBAN AND A LOT MORE, UM, SPACE TO WORK WITH.

SO HOW DOES SOMEBODY, UM, ACCESS, UH, THIS AMENITY THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH AT THE CORE OF THE SITE? SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, COMING OFF OF, UH, BRIDGE PARK AVENUE AND DALE DRIVE AT THE CORNER THERE, UH, WE HAVE A POCKET PARK IN THAT CORNER.

UM, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH CITY STAFF TO, UM, GO OVER, UM, SOME OCCUPIABLE SPACE IN THERE.

BUT, UM, AS SOMEBODY APPROACHES THE SITE, THIS IS THE MOST PROMINENT CORNER, UM, TO THE, UH, SITE.

UM, SO, UH, THE GRAY CHANGE WAS A BIG CHALLENGE FOR US, BUT ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, SOME PLAYFUL THINGS THAT WE COULD DO.

UM, AT THIS CORNER, THE BUILDING SITS UP ABOUT SEVEN FEET ABOVE, UH, RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION THERE.

UM, SO AS YOU LOOK UP TO, UH, THAT BUILDING, YOU'LL SEE THE DINING TERRACE AT THE BASE OF IT, AND THEN A WALK BRINGING YOU INTO THE SITE.

SO YOU'RE WALKING UP THIS ACCESSIBLE PATHWAY TO THE MAIN OPEN SPACE THERE IN, IN THE CENTRAL PARK AREA.

YOU'LL ARRIVE AT A PROMENADE, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT GREEN OPEN SPACE THERE.

UH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ITERATIONS TO WHAT THIS, UM, SPACE COULD BE.

UM, WE DEFINITELY WANT IT TO HAVE A MORE NATURAL FEEL COMPARED TO SOME OF THE MORE STRUCTURAL, UM, SITE PIECES THAT ARE ACROSS BRIDGE PARK.

UM, SO A COUPLE OF THINGS ARE HAPPENING HERE.

UM, IT'S PARTLY A, UH, LIGHTED STORM WATER, UM, ELEMENT.

AND THEN IT'S PARTLY, UM, AN OCCUPIABLE, UM, SPACE FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

AND, UM, COINCIDENTALLY THAT FOOTBRIDGE THAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE THERE, UM, THAT CONNECTS, UH, THE OFFICE RESTAURANT, UM, BUILDING DOWN TO, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE PHASE TWO, UM, SITE, UH, IS A, A SMALL FOOTBRIDGE, UM, THAT'LL BE ILLUMINATED AT NIGHT.

AND THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM DALE DRIVE, UM, TO THE WEST OF THAT IS THAT, UH, BIO RETENTION AREA THAT WE'RE STILL STRUCTURING AS, UM, UH, THE STREAM KIND OF CONFIGURATION THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, UM, WITH MEADOWS, UH, LARGE BOULDERS AND OTHER THINGS, UM, TO MAKE IT FEEL THAT NATURAL SPACE IN THIS AREA TOO.

WE HAVE, UH, WE WANTED AN ARBORETUM TYPE FEEL.

AND THE WAY WE, THAT WE'VE ACHIEVED THIS IS TRANSPLANTING, UM, LARGE LONDON PLAIN TREES FROM THE KODE SITE TO, UM, THIS CENTRAL SPACE.

THEY'RE A HUGE ASSET AND WE THINK THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT.

UM, SO THE EAST OF THAT FOOTBRIDGE, WE HAVE A, UH, WE'RE CALLING IT A, A LAWN, A COMMUNITY LAWN.

UM, IT COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH FOR SMALL, UM, EVENTS TO TAKE PLACE OR JUST FOR YOUR DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES.

AND THEN BOOK ENDING THAT TO THE

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EAST IS A, UH, COMMUNITY DECK.

SO THIS WILL HELP IT BE MORE, UM, SEASONALLY USED YEAR ROUND IF THAT, IF THAT CENTRAL PARK SPACE IS, UM, OCCUPIED OR, UM, WET IN CERTAIN WEATHERS, THIS AREA, AREA CAN STILL BE, UM, USED.

SO, UH, THAT DECK IS LIKE A NICE SPACE FOR EITHER BISTRO TABLE SEATING OR, UM, IMPROMPTU PERFORMANCES OR IF THEY WANNA USE SOME OF THAT FOR SOME OTHER, UM, PROGRAM SPACE AS WELL.

UM, SO WITH ALL THOSE ELEMENTS IN THERE, SOME MATERIALITY THAT WE BRING INTO THE SITE, UH, WE'RE BRINGING A LOT MORE, UM, WOOD MATERIAL INTO, UM, THOSE PROGRAMMATIC ELEMENTS SUCH AS THE FOOT BRIDGE AND THE DECK.

UM, AND THEN SOME IN THE PRI PRIVATE AREAS AS WELL, ANOTHER ASSET TO THE SITE.

AND, UM, RUSSELL JUST MENTIONED IT, THAT ON THIS PRIVATE STREET THAT BISECTS THE BLOCK NORTH AND SOUTH, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DEBATE ON WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN HERE, UM, HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY STREET AND IT BEING A PRIVATE STREET, WHAT KIND OF FLEXIBILITY DO WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS SOMETHING UNIQUE TO THE SITE? SO, UM, COMING FROM THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, WE'RE BREAKING AWAY FROM THE NORMAL BRIDGE PARK STANDARD, UM, MATERIALITY OR CONFIGURATION OF THOSE STREET SCAPES, STILL USING THE SAME MATERIALS, BUT KIND OF BREAKING THAT DOWN INTO, UM, UNIQUE SHAPE PLANTERS.

UM, AS YOU GET TO THE CORE OF THE SITE, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT THE MOST PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND WHERE IT SHOULD BE THE MOST FLUID.

SO WE ARE, UM, CHANGING THAT TO A BRICK MATERIAL THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN OTHER PLACES IN BRIDGE PARK AND YOU CAN'T SEE IT IN PLAN, BUT IN THE THREE DV YOU CAN TELL THAT, UM, WE, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE A FLUSH CONDITION.

SO, UM, ANOTHER UNIQUE ASPECT TO THIS.

SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, DOWN THERE IN, IN THE BOTTOM SECTION HOW THAT GOES FROM THE PRIVATE STREET, UM, UP TO THE AMENITY DECK.

BUT THAT SPACE, UM, IS NOW A, UH, A FLUSH CONDITION.

UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WE, A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS TO HAVE A VERY, UH, SMOOTH TRANSITION BETWEEN THOSE PRIVATE SPACES AND THE PUBLIC SPACES.

AND ONE OF THAT IS, UM, THERE'S A CLEAR DIVIDE FROM THAT AMENITY DECK FROM THE, UM, CONDOS ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, DOWN INTO THAT PRIVATE STREET PLAZA AREA.

SO WE DECIDED TO, UM, STEPPED GARDENS INSTEAD OF DOING A VERY HARSH, UM, GIANT WALL PERHAPS, UM, THAT WOULD ALSO MAKE THE PEOPLE UP IN THAT AREA FEEL DIVIDED FROM THE PUBLIC'S OPEN SPACE AND THE NATURAL SPACE BELOW AND, UM, VICE VERSA.

SO, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT WE TRIED TO DO ACROSS THE SITE, UM, SURROUNDING THE SITE.

UM, WE HAVE VARIOUS FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AND, UM, TRYING TO BUFFER THOSE FROM THE ROAD AS WELL, UM, ESPECIALLY AT LONG BRIDGE PARK AVENUE.

UM, AND THAT'S AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPE GOES.

UM, WHO ON MY TEAM IS NEXT? .

BRIDGE PARK AVENUE TOWARDS THE RIVER.

HI, I AM DAN PEASE.

UM, I'M WITH MA ARCHITECTS AND, UM, 2251 STAR LEAF LANE.

SO I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH THE OFFICE REAL QUICKLY AND THEN THE, UM, GARAGE.

AND SO WE'LL START WITH THE OFFICE.

AND AS WE THINK ABOUT THE NEXT BLOCK IN BRIDGE PARK, WHAT, UH, I ALWAYS LIKE TO DO IS WHAT'S THE NEXT CHAPTER? WHAT'S THE MO MORE UNIQUE, UM, THING THAT WE CAN ADD INTO THIS AND MAKE IT A NICE ADDITION TO BRIDGE PARK AND REALLY GET A LITTLE BIT MORE VARIETY.

UM, AND EACH PIECE IN EACH BUILDING THAT WE, UM, ADD.

SO STARTING WITH THE, THE OFFICE BUILDING, UM, WHAT WE'LL FIND IS, UM, A, IT'S REALLY LIKE A DUALITY IN COMPOSITION.

SO ON THE NORTH SIDE, ONE BRIDGE PARK AVENUE SIDE, THERE'S ONE AESTHETIC, AND THEN THERE'S A MARRIAGE, UH, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WHICH WE'LL LOOK AT IN A SECOND.

BUT WHAT WE'LL FIND HERE IS THERE'S A, A THICKER HEAVY BASE, WHICH IS, UH, AGAIN, FULL WHITE BRICK CHARCOAL, AND THEN FULL WHITE BRICK ABOVE, WHICH IS, UM, LIGHT GRAY.

AND THEN WE HAVE AN ACCENT BLUE PHENOLIC PANEL, UM, WHICH, UM, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR TEAM.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WE THOUGHT WAS MAKING THIS PIECE A LITTLE MORE UNIQUE.

UM, AND WE'VE LIGHTENED THOSE COLORS UP AND, UM, THE LOOK BETWEEN THE BLUE AND THE WOOD LOOK PANEL, WHICH WE'LL LOOK AT IN A SECOND, UM, WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THEM.

WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN, IN THAT COMBINATION.

SO IN THIS SLIDE, WE'LL MOVE AROUND TO THE, THE WEST, UM, SOUTHWEST CORNER.

AND WE HAVE, UM, ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER WE HAVE IT, THE BLUE PHENOLIC PANEL TURNING IT AND WITH THE BALCONIES.

SO YOU GET THE VIEW DOWN

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UM, BUT ON THE SOUTHWEST AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO DO A MORE SIMPLE ELEVATION, A REALLY LIKE AN ELEGANT BACKDROP TO THE PARK.

'CAUSE WE FEEL LIKE THE PARK SPACE IS REALLY WHAT THE ATTENTION SHOULD BE ON.

UM, BUT WITH THAT SAID, THERE IS A LOT OF DETAIL AND, UM, JUST SIMPLE ORDER TO THIS ELEVATION.

SO WE HAVE, AGAIN, A, A WOOD LOOK PANEL THAT HAS KIND OF A LEATHERY FEEL, AND WE HAVE SAMPLES HERE WE BROUGHT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE 'EM.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, AT NIGHTTIME WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING A SIMPLE OVERLAY OF PATTERN TO LIGHT UP THE BRICK PIERS, UH, ON THE UPPER FLOOR AS WELL AS SCONCES ON THE LOWER FLOOR.

SO IN THE NEXT SLIDE, I THINK WE SKIPPED ONE, SORRY.

SO MOVING AROUND TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, UM, WE HAVE A MAIN ENTRY, UM, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT PEOPLE WILL BE MOVING FROM THE GARAGE TO THIS BUILDING IF THEY WORK THERE EVERY DAY.

AND THEN ON THIS CORNER, WE, AGAIN, JUST TO HAVE A DIFFERENT PIECE.

WE USED, UH, MORE CHARCOAL, UH, BRICK.

SO THE CHARCOAL BRICK AND THE LIGHT BRICK ARE THE UNIFYING ELEMENTS AROUND THE WHOLE BUILDING THAT THE FINAL PANEL IS REALLY THE ACCENT OF THE MORE UNIQUE PART OF, OF THE OFFICE.

SO GOING OVER TO THE GARAGE, UH, IN THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, YOU'LL WALK THROUGH THIS, UM, FROM THIS UNIQUE TOWER WHICH WE'VE ADDED, WHICH, UH, AGAIN, IS THIS MAIN STAIR TOWER IN CONNECTION TO THE OFFICE.

IT IS A, WHAT WE KIND OF CALL A BEACON AND OR ANCHOR TO THE, UM, GREEN SPACE AND THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL COURTYARD.

IT WILL BE FROSTED GLASS.

UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME LITTLE BIT OF ROMANCE BEHIND IT.

YOU'LL SEE PEOPLE MOVING BACK AND FORTH.

UM, AND WE REALLY WANT TO LIGHT THIS UP, UP AT NIGHT AND MAKE IT REALLY, UH, GLOW AND REALLY MAKE IT AGAIN, THAT UNIQUE FEATURE.

THIS, THIS GARAGE WAS MODELED AFTER THE NORTH MARKET GARAGE THAT'S IN BRIDGE PARK.

SO, UM, THE CORONER TREATMENT, UM, AGAIN, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE HONEST AND A LITTLE MORE UNIQUE.

SO, UM, WE WERE COMPARING THESE CORNERS TO THE STAIR TOWERS THAT ARE ON THE MAIN LIBRARY GARAGE ACROSS THE, THE RIVER.

UM, WHICH AGAIN, ARE CONCRETE WALLS AND CONCRETE STAIRS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA DO IS LIGHT UP THESE CEILINGS ON EACH LEVEL AS WELL AS THE SCRIM, UM, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND.

UH, AND REALLY TIE THIS WHOLE ELEVATION TOGETHER AS A UNIFYING AND AGAIN, UNIQUE PIECE, UM, THAT WILL HAVE ARTWORK, UM, VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

AND THEN ON THE LAST CORNER, AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE THE STAIR IS LOCATED.

UH, AGAIN, SAME TREATMENT ON THIS EAST SIDE ELEVATION.

UH, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER, UM, MATERIAL, ANOTHER COLOR OF BRICK.

UM, BUT THE BRICK ON THIS GARAGE IS THE SAME AS THE OFFICE BUILDING, THE FINAL DESIGN OF THE SCRIM, UM, ARTWORK.

WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE DUBLIN ARTS ARTS COUNCIL WITH, BUT AGAIN, THIS IDEA FOR THE SCRIM IS WHAT WAS USED ON THE G ONE, UM, COURTYARD OR POCKET PARK.

UM, IT'S JUST A PVC SCRIM AND I THINK, AND OUR WHOLE TEAM THINKS IT WAS REALLY SUCCESSFUL THERE.

SO, UM, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO EXPOSE SOME ARTWORK TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE OFFICE AND GARAGE, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MATT TO TALK ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.

HELLO, UH, MATT LIDLE, SULLIVAN BROOK ARCHITECTS, UH, EIGHT SOUTH GRANT AVENUE 4 3 2 1 5.

UH, I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE CONDOMINIUM BUILDING.

UM, I'D LIKE TO ECHO WHAT RUFF SAID.

UM, THIS IS A GREAT TEAM THAT WE'VE ASSEMBLED HERE.

UH, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME PLAYERS AS, UH, IN G BLOCK AND WHICH I THINK WE ALL AGREE IT TURNED OUT PRETTY, PRETTY WELL.

NICE, PRETTY NICE.

SO WITH THIS, UH, DURING THE CONCEPT, WE JUST, UH, PRESENTED MASSING STUDIES.

SO NOW WE GET TO SEE WHAT THIS THING'S GONNA HOPEFULLY LOOK LIKE.

MUCH LIKE WHAT DAN HAS, UH, INTRODUCED.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KIND OF WOULD PROBABLY AGREE THAT BRIDGE PARK AVENUE IS, IS A FAIRLY BUSY ROAD, UM, COMING INTO BRIDGE PARK AND LEAVING AND, UH, PROBABLY NEEDS, UH, NEEDED SOMETHING TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE A STATEMENT, UH, ABOUT COMING AND LEAVING.

AND PART OF THAT IS WHY I PLAYED AROUND WITH THE, UH, THE, UM, BALCONIES AND

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CREATING A GRID AROUND THEM, UH, AND THEN COLORING IT WITH A VIBRANT ACCENT COLOR.

UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE CORNER OF BRIDGE PARK AND GREEN STREET AND THEN, UM, BRIDGE PARK AND, UH, DAVE THOMAS BOULEVARD, WHICH WILL BE RENAMED APPARENTLY.

SO THIS IS THAT VIEW UP THERE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING DOWN TO THE SOUTHWEST FROM THE NORTHEAST AND YOU REALLY GET A SENSE OF THE GRADE CHANGE ALONG THIS.

UM, THIS IS A FIVE STORY, UM, WOOD FRAME BUILDING, WHICH POSES SOME PROBLEMS, UM, AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR US.

UM, I'M INTRODUCING A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE SAME CUES THAT, UH, DAN AND HIS TEAM ARE USING ON THE GARAGE AND THE OFFICE BUILDING WITH A CHARCOAL COLORED, UH, FULL DEPTH MASONRY, UM, NEAR THE GRADE.

AND IT POPS UP EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE TO GIVE SOME VARIATION, UM, AND TO HELP GROUND THE BUILDING.

UM, INTRODUCING A RUSTICA CAST, UH, MASONRY.

SO EVERY OTHER COURSE WILL, UM, UNDULATE TO GET A NICE SHADOW LINE NEAR THE GRADE.

AND THEN FROM THE SECOND FLOOR LINE UP AT CERTAIN AREAS, I'M INTRODUCING A THIN BRICK MATERIAL.

WHEN WE CAME HERE, UH, INITIALLY FOR OUR CONCEPT REVIEW, I PRESENTED A MATERIAL, UH, CALLED NEW BRICK FROM DRIVE IT.

I BELIEVE YOU GUYS NOW HAVE, UH, THE REVIEW FROM MARK FORD ON THAT PRODUCT.

UM, WE HAVE PROCEEDED NOT TO, UH, DETAIL THE BUILDING IN THAT NEW BRICK, ALTHOUGH I KNOW RUSS AND HIS, UH, TEAM ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT MATERIAL REVIEWED AND FOR POTENTIAL USE ON FUTURE BRIDGE PARK PROJECTS, ALTHOUGH IT COULD BE REINCORPORATED INTO THIS ONE AS WELL.

WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS A THIN BRICK PRODUCT, SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY KIND OF THE SAME AS THE NEW BRICK, BUT WHAT I'M INTRODUCING IS THAT BEHIND THE THIN BRICK WILL BE A, UH, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A CONCRETE LINED EPS RIGID INSTALLATION.

SO IT HAS A DEPTH OF, UH, THREE AND A QUARTER INCHES, AND THEN THE THIN BRICK IS A HALF AN INCH.

SO THAT ESSENTIALLY GETS YOU A FULL DEPTH BRICK LOOK WITH BECAUSE THE, UH, UM, THE RIDGE OF INSTALLATION IS LINED IN A CONCRETE THAT BECOMES AN EXCELLENT SUBSTRATE FOR THE, THE THIN BRICK.

NOW I KNOW THE THIN BRICK HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST, UH, ON OTHER, UH, BRIDGE PARK PROJECTS, BUT I KNOW IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN APPROVED MATERIAL, SO I'M SURE WE CAN DISCUSS THAT FURTHER.

UM, NEXT SLIDE.

ONE THING I WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT WE ARE INTRODUCING, UM, PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND UNIT CONNECTIVITY FOR THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS ALONG, UM, THE DAVE THOMAS BOULEVARD.

AND WHILE WE, UM, ARE GONNA REINTRODUCE, UM, CONNECTIVITY FOR THOSE GROUND FLOOR UNITS ALONG BRIDGE PARK AVENUE, THAT IS, UH, WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH STAFF ON.

UM, FOR OUR NEXT, FOR NEXT, UH, PHASE HERE, THIS SHOT IS THE OF THE COURTYARD, AND I THINK IT REALLY STARTS TO TELL THE STORY OF JUST, YOU KNOW, THE LAYERED EFFECT, UM, TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, A DEPTH OF DETAILS.

SO WITH THE GRAY BRICK, GRAY THIN BRICK, THE CHARCOAL FULL DEPTH MASONRY AND THE BROWN IS AN INTERLOCKING METAL PANEL.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AND, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

TO THE EAST OF BLOCK F WHICH IS WHERE THE BAILEY IS AT.

WE WILL TURN TIME OVER MR. HENSEL, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE DOING OUR CASE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.

GREAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND GOOD EVENING.

UH, THIS IS A REQUEST.

THERE ARE THREE, UM, DETERMINATIONS THAT ARE REQUESTED TONIGHT FOR WAIVERS FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN A CONDITIONAL USE.

UM, THAT PROCESS IS SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN, BUT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS TENDED TO ASSURE CONSISTENCY WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THEN TAKING THAT NEXT STEP FROM THE CONCEPT PLAN WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO REALLY LOCK DOWN, UM, BUILDING LOCATIONS, THE CHARACTER AND MASSING OF THESE BUILDINGS, WHERE THOSE FINAL DETAILS ABOUT TYPICALLY MATERIALS ON BUILDINGS, UH, OPEN SPACE TREATMENTS, AND THEN THOSE OTHER SMALLER, UH, FINITE DETAILS, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY HANDLED WITH THAT FOUND DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

BUT A RE UH, DETERMINATION IS REQUIRED TONIGHT FOR THESE CASES.

UM, JUST AS A, A REFRESHER HERE, THE SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON YOUR SCREEN.

UH, IT SITS JUST

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UH, THIS IS IN THE SCIOTO RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THERE ARE SOME SITE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGHOUT, UH, THIS ENTIRE DISTRICT FOR THIS SITE.

THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, BUT ONE THING TO POINT OUT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BRIDGE PARK AVENUE, THERE IS AN OPEN SPACE CORRIDOR.

UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH.

I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS TO STILL HAVE BETWEEN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ABOUT, UH, THE TREATMENT OF ALL OF THESE STREETS, UH, NOT JUST GREEN STREET, BUT THE PUBLIC STREETS THAT ARE LOCATED ALL AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THIS PROPERTY AS WELL.

SO, UH, VERY RECENTLY THIS DID GO TO CITY COUNCIL AS OF LAST MONDAY, UH, AND RECEIVED APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN.

UH, THIS WAS BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK IN DECEMBER AND SHOWN ON THE SCREENER JUST A COMBINED LIST OF WHAT THOSE COMMENTS WERE FROM BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL.

JUST TO TOUCH ON A FEW OF THEM.

UM, THERE WAS AN AGREED AND PRETTY CONNECTED, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT REALLY FEEDS THROUGH THAT CENTRAL PRIVATE STREET, WHICH IS STREET A SHOWN ON THIS SITE PLAN AND FEEDS INTO THE OPEN SPACE ON, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT ROAD, BUT ALSO INTO THAT COURTYARD.

SO THAT WAS A MAJOR TOPIC OF DISCUSSION HERE.

UH, SO MOSTLY AROUND THE OPEN SPACE AND STREET A AND JUST THE DESIGN OF THAT.

DOES THAT NEED TO BE A THROUGH STREET, UH, OR CAN IT BE PAIRED DOWN TO JUST PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE OFFICE AND THE GARAGE BUILDING? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED A LOT HERE.

UM, THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL JUST ABOUT THE TREATMENTS OF BUILDINGS.

UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF FOCUS ON THE GARAGE BUILDING AND WANTING TO SEE THAT CONTINUE TO BE, UM, I'LL SAY UPGRADED AND, AND MODIFIED TO, TO BE MORE COMPLIMENTARY OF THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS IN THIS, THIS BLOCK.

UM, AND THEY HAD REFERENCED BLOCK G AS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT GARAGE AND HOW IT FITS IN WITH THE CHARACTER ESTABLISHED WITH THE REST OF THAT BLOCK.

UM, BUT THOSE ARE JUST A FEW THINGS THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT, UH, REGARDING THOSE COMMENTS.

SO THE SITE PLAN IS LARGELY THE SAME.

THE BUILDINGS ARE IN THE, IN GENERALLY THE SAME LOCATIONS.

THE OPEN SPACE IS ABOUT THE SAME.

SO I WILL NOT REHASH A LOT OF WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED TONIGHT, BUT I'LL JUST FOCUS ON A FEW, UM, TOPICS THAT ARE LISTED IN YOUR PLAN REPORT.

SO THEY ARE PROVIDING THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE, BUT THERE'S STILL A NEED FOR ANALYSIS OF THE PUBLIC GREEN, WHICH IS THAT LARGE OPEN SPACE AT THE CENTER.

AND THEN THE TWO POCKET PARKS, WHICH ARE AT THE INTERSECTION OF BRIDGE PARK AVENUE AND DALE DRIVE.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE'S, UH, JUST IN FRONT OF THE COURTYARD SPACE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE PROVIDED WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THERE IS ALWAYS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT MORE WAIVERS COULD BE REQUESTED IN THE FUTURE ONCE THAT ANALYSIS IS PROVIDED.

AND THEN THAT GOES, UH, WITHOUT SAYING FOR THE REST OF, UH, THESE COMMENT ITEMS THAT ARE, THAT ARE LISTED HERE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A PARKING PLAN AS THEY'RE PROVIDING LESS PARKING THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED BASED ON, UH, NOT JUST PHASE ONE, BUT PHASE TWO, WHICH IS AT HARTFORD FLATS, IT'S FUTURE CONDOMINIUM BUILDING.

BUILDING, UH, PARKING PLANS ARE PRETTY CONSISTENTLY USED THROUGHOUT BRIDGE PARK.

UM, AND THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED IN THEIR APPLICATION STATES THAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING TO OTHER GARAGES AND THEY PROVIDED SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS ABOUT DURING PEAK TIMES, WITHIN 900 FEET OF, LET'S SAY THE OFFICE RESTAURANT BUILDING WHAT'S AVAILABLE.

UM, AND THEY HAD CALCULATED THAT JUST OVER 500 SPACES ARE AVAILABLE AT PEAK TIMES.

UH, SO THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE'S AMPLE PARKING IN THE AREA THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO OVERBUILD THIS GARAGE.

SO, UH, THAT IS PART OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLANT REQUEST TONIGHT.

THE GREEN STREET, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED ON AND IS PROVIDING, UH, STILL THE, THE THROUGH ACCESS HERE, UM, WHILE CHANGING THE MATERIAL AND THE CHARACTER OF THAT STREET TO START TO DELINEATE TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THAT THIS IS NOT YOUR PROTOTYPICAL STREET TRYING TO CALM, UH, ANY TRAFFIC THAT DOES COME THROUGH THERE AND CATER IT MORE TOWARDS PEDESTRIAN, A MORE PEDESTRIAN SCALE.

UM, SO AGAIN, BETWEEN THAT AND THEN THE OTHER STREETS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH, UH, AND THROUGH WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY TEAM AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE IN THIS AREA.

UM, DALE THOMAS DRIVE TO THE EAST IS GONNA BE A PUBLIC STREET.

UM, THAT NAMING CONVENTION WILL LIKELY CHANGE BECAUSE THERE'S TWO SECTIONS OF THAT, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL COME FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.

UM, BUT THAT'S ALSO A DETAIL WHERE IT'S A, IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, A PARKING LOT ON ONE SIDE FOR WENDY'S AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS BRIDGE STREET DEVELOPMENT HERE.

SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE BRIDGE THE GAP, UH, AND STILL MAKE THIS ALIGN WITH A LOT OF THE BRIDGE STREET STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE.

UH, THE CONDITIONAL USES FOR THE GARAGE AS IT DOES NOT HAVE A LINER ON IT.

UM, BY LINER I MEAN IT DOES NOT HAVE A USABLE COMMERCIAL SPACE OR RESIDENTIAL SPACE ALONG THE STREET THAT SCREENS THAT FROM, UH,

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SCREENS THE GARAGE FROM THE STREET.

UM, IN OTHER BLOCKS, WE HAVE APPROVED CONDI, UH, CONDITIONAL USES FOR THESE GARAGES IF THEY'RE INTERIOR TO THE BLOCK OR TO THE SITE.

UM, AND HOW WE'VE TYPICALLY ADDRESSED THAT IS, IS IT AWAY FROM PRINCIPAL FRONTAGE STREETS, UM, IN THIS CASE, BRIDGE PARK AVENUE AND DALE DRIVE ARE BOTH THE PRINCIPAL FRONTAGE STREETS AND THEN BANKER DRIVE AND DAVE THOMAS BOULEVARD, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.

SO WE WOULD CONSIDER THIS THE MOST ACCEPTABLE LOCATION FOR THE GARAGE, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, THAT CONDITIONAL USE.

AND THERE IS ONE WAIVER APPLICABLE TO THIS SITE, AND THAT'S TO THE BLOCK SIZE, UH, TO BOTH THE LENGTH AND PERIMETER.

UM, I WILL SAY THOUGH THAT THE DAVE THOMAS BOULEVARD IS A PROJECTED PUBLIC STREET, THAT PRIVATE STREET, WE DO NOT CONSIDER IN OUR CALCULATIONS THAT THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED AS, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNTED TOWARDS THE BLOCK LENGTH OR PERIMETER, BUT IT STILL ACHIEVES A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT OF STARTING TO BREAK THESE DOWN INTO SMALLER, MORE URBAN BLOCKS THAT ARE BOTH WALKABLE AND PROVIDING SAFE VEHICULAR CIRCULATION.

SO, UM, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

AND THE, THE BLOCK LAYOUT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE STREET NETWORK MAP THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE AREA WIDE REZONING.

UH, A FEW COMMENTS THAT ARE PROVIDED.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE BEEN WAIVERS AT THIS POINT, BUT WE WANTED TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THESE TO SEE IF THERE'S WAYS TO, TO MITIGATE SOME OF THESE POTENTIAL CONCERNS.

UM, COULD THEY BECOME REQUESTED WAIVERS IN THE FUTURE? CERTAINLY, BUT AT THIS POINT WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATION AHEAD OF THE FOUND DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UH, SOME OF THESE ARE JUST CLARIFICATION AND THEY'RE JUST NOT CLEAR CURRENTLY, SUCH AS THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE COVERAGE AND LOCK COVERAGE.

UH, OTHER THINGS SUCH AS THE PANELS THAT ARE PROPOSED ARE NOT CONSIDERED MATERIALS CURRENTLY.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT'S LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED A WAIVER IN THE FUTURE WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, AND THEN THERE WERE COMMENTS WITH BOTH THE, UH, BOTH STAFF AND THEN THE COMMISSION COUNCIL ABOUT JUST SOME ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS.

STAFF'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION TO TRY AND BREAK THAT UP A LITTLE BIT, REDUCE SOME OF THE REQUESTED WAIVERS.

UM, STAFF HAD FOUND THAT IT WAS RELATIVELY REPETITIVE AND WANTED TO SEE SINCE IT'S ALONG THAT OPEN SPACE, UH, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO BREAK UP THIS FACADE, UH, SIMILAR TO HOW IT'S DONE ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.

AND THEN THE WAIVERS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE SCREEN STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF ALL THE WAIVERS THAT ARE REQUESTED.

AGAIN, THE CONDITIONED OR COMMENTED ITEMS ARE THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN WAIVERS THAT WE WANTED TO CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH.

UH, THE CONDOMINIUM BUILDING AS STATED, THEY'RE REQUESTING SOME FEEDBACK ON FIN BRICK, UH, OR NEW BRICK THAT IS NOT BEING APPROVED OR DETERMINED TONIGHT, BUT THEY WANT TO GET FEEDBACK SO THAT THEY KNOW IT'S, THEY CAN COME BACK FOR WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UH, AS STATED, WE DID PROVIDE A, A MEMO FROM OUR CONSULTANT THAT PROVIDES SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OR SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT NEW BRICK MATERIAL.

THEN BRICK IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN USED ELSEWHERE IN THE BRIDGE, UH, PARK DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SO JUST SOME, SOME GOOD BACKGROUND THERE.

AND THEN AS STATED, WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO PROVIDE MORE STREET ENGAGEMENT ALONG, UH, BRIDGE PARK AVENUE FOR SOME OF THOSE UNITS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE EAST SIDE.

ONE THING I DID WANNA TOUCH ON THAT WAS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WAS THE STORY HEIGHT.

THEY'RE REQUESTING A WAIVER TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THIS BUILDING FROM FOUR AND A HALF STORIES TO FIVE, SO GAINING A HALF STORY, UH, OF USABLE SPACE HERE.

UH, AS IT WAS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE LOOKED AT IT FROM A NUMBERS LIKE A FEET MEASURED, AND WHAT'S ALLOWED FOR A FOUR AND A HALF STORY BUILDING IS ABOUT 56 FEET MEASURED FROM THE TALLEST ELEVATION POINT.

THIS BUILDING IS STILL 56 FEET, SO IT'S WITHIN THAT RANGE.

UH, SO IT'S NOT GETTING ANY TALLER IN TERMS OF FEET, UH, WHICH IS WHAT WE LOOKED AT.

SO WE WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT IN THE END.

AND THEN FINALLY THE, UH, PARKING GARAGE COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND ALSO STAFF HAD SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT JUST THE TREATMENT OF THIS BUILDING, UH, AND WILLING TO SEE THAT CONTINUE TO EVOLVE WITH THIS SITE.

UH, TRYING TO IDENTIFY WAYS TO INCORPORATE AND, AND MAKE IT MORE COMPLIMENTARY WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING ELSEWHERE.

SO STAFF AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT WOULD BE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON THE GARAGE TREATMENTS AND WHAT THEY COULD DO TO, TO SATISFY SOME OF THOSE PREVIOUS COMMENTS.

I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED BEFORE JUST ABOUT A HIGH COMPARISON.

UH, AND THIS WAS REGARDING SOME OF THE, THE, THE WAIVER FOR THE CONDO BUILDING, UH, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE FOR THE BLOCK G OFFICE.

AND THEN THE BLOCK J BUILDINGS IS MEASURED FROM C LEVEL.

UH, SO THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE AS YOU MOVE FROM DALE DRIVE

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TO THE EAST.

THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA THAT EVEN WITH THAT GRADE CHANGE, IT'S STILL RELATIVELY A SIMILAR HEIGHT, UM, AS MEASURED FROM FROM C LEVEL.

AND THIS IS JUST WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO, UH, TO SHOWCASE A LITTLE BIT HERE.

SO WITH THAT, UH, THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 18 WAIVERS SPLIT BETWEEN THE THREE BUILDINGS AND THE SITE.

THOSE ARE LISTED ON YOUR SCREEN, BUT IN MORE DETAIL IN THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN CRITERIA, AND THIS DOES INCLUDE THE PARKING PLAN AS WELL TO THE, UM, WHAT IS SHOWN AND THEN THE CONDITIONAL USE.

SO STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE IN RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE 18 WAIVERS, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH PARKING PLAN, AND THEN THE CONDITIONAL USE.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. HANSEL.

AND I'M GONNA STAY CONSISTENT THIS EVENING.

SO, MR. CHINOOK, I'M GONNA START WITH YOU FOR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANTS.

WE'LL START WITH STAFF SINCE YOU'RE ALREADY UP THERE.

UM, FOR THIS, UH, PHASE TWO, NOT KNOWING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN A CA COMMITMENT TO TIMING OF DEVELOPMENT.

I ASKED THIS EARLIER, IT D DOES STAFF OR DOES, DOES WE HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER WHAT THAT SPACE LOOKS LIKE? IS IT, 'CAUSE OTHER, OTHER SITES AT BRIDGE PARK HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTION SITES FOR YEARS? DO WE, CAN WE PUT SOME QUALIFICATION ON THERE THAT THAT JUST CAN'T BE A PILE OF DIRT FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS? OR IS THAT NOT IN OUR PURVIEW? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK AS WE'RE CONSIDERING THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THIS CONSTRUCTION STAGING IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE CAN TALK THROUGH.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT QUITE YET WITH THEIR PLANS, BUT THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS HANDLED THROUGH BUILDING STANDARDS.

THERE'S SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS, I DON'T KNOW IF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, UM, THAT SPEAK TOWARDS STAGING AND STOCKPILING AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO THAT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE COULD DO SOMETHING COME BACK WITH.

THAT'D BE GREAT.

UM, AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, I THINK WE ADDRESSED THE COUNCIL'S COMMENTS THROUGH SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS, AND THEN I HAD, I ALWAYS BRING THIS UP, THE, THE, THE LARGE ART PANELS.

THERE'S NO PRECEDENT.

THAT'S NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE CITY THAT SIZE THIS SCALE.

SO WE, THIS WAS ACTUALLY DONE BY THE APPLICANT FOR BLOCK G.

SO IT'S, IS THIS THIS SIZE THOUGH? THIS LARGE? IT'S THIS, I DON'T KNOW THE SIZE OF THAT ONE, RUSS.

YOU MAY HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING IT.

IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY SIMILAR.

IT'S, IT'S JUST INTERNAL TO THE BLOCK.

UM, VERSUS THIS ONE, WHICH AT, AT LEAST UNTIL THE CADILLAC DEALERSHIP COMES ALONG, THIS WILL BE OBVIOUSLY MORE VISIBLE THAN THE G BLOCK ONE.

AND IT'S NOT CONSIDERED SIGNAGE.

RIGHT? WE WOULD CONSIDER IT A, IT'S AN ART INSTALLATION, BUT IT'S CONSIDERED AS A BUILDING MATERIAL.

SO IT'S A PERFORATED METAL SCRIM AND THAT CONFLICTS THAT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO LIKE YOUR TRANSPARENCY, YOUR PERMITTED PRIMARY AND SECONDARY FAC FACADE, MATERIAL CALCS.

SO IT'S NOT A SIGN.

BUT WE WOULD'VE SOME SAY IN THE LOOK AND COLOR OF IT FOR POTENTIALLY THE CONTENT OF IT.

YEAH, NO, BACK TO THE, I THINK APPLICANT, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT YOU WOULD WORK WITH THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL.

SO AND SO TO GO THROUGH THAT AND THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID, UH, WITH THE G BLOCK, UM, INSTALLATION AS WELL.

WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY MET WITH THE DUBLIN ARTS ARTS COUNCIL, AVA MORGAN.

UM, VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

UM, WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IS A NATIONAL, UH, REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS AND THEN ULTIMATELY MULTIPLE PROPOSALS FOR THIS USING, UM, SO EFFECTIVELY THEY WOULD BE MANAGING THAT PROCESS FOR US AND THEN ULTIMATELY HELPING US IN THE PROCUREMENT OF IT.

UM, AND I BELIEVE THERE IS A RELATIVELY NEW PUBLIC ART, UM, COMMITTEE THAT HAS BEEN FORMED TO HELP IN, TO HELP WITH THE SELECTION OF ALL OF THIS.

BUT ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF THE DAC AND, AND OUR TEAM THAT WOULD MAKE THE CALL.

UM, AND THEN A FEW QUESTIONS SINCE YOU'RE UP THERE.

THE, UM, THANKS ZACH.

UH, THE, AND I, IT'S LATE.

I MIGHT'VE MISSED, DID, DID WE ADDRESS GREEN STREET AND THE NEED? I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED YOU WERE GONNA TALK MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT BEING A CONNECTED STREET.

DOES IT REALLY HAVE TO BE, I I DIDN'T HEAR ANY KIND OF COMPELLING ARGUMENT FOR HAVING IT YEAH.

AS A STREET.

SO WE, WE'VE STUDIED IT BOTH WAYS.

UM, HERE, THIS IS WHERE WE'VE LANDED AND THIS IS WHY, UM, SO FROM THE, THE CITY, AND YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THAT BOTH, UM, ENGINEERING AND FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY BOTH HAD CONCERNS ABOUT IT NOT GOING THROUGH FOR EGRESS REASONS, UM, AND ACCESS REASONS TO THE BUILDINGS ON THE INTERIOR OF, OF THE

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BLOCK.

FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, UM, AND THIS IS SOME LESSONS LEARNED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF OTHER BLOCKS OF BRIDGE PARK, UM, TRASH SERVICE LOADING AND UNLOADING.

UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, AS YOU LOOK AT THAT, OFFICE BUILDINGS, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

OFFICE BUILDING FIRST TRASH REALLY CAN GO ON, ON, IN, IN THE SERVICE AREA, CAN GO ON ONE OF THREE, UH, ELEVATIONS.

IT CAN GO ON THE EAST, THE NORTH OR THE WEST.

WELL, THE WEST ELEVATION IS SIGNIFICANTLY UPHILL, AND THE NORTH ELEVATION IS A SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE.

SO THE GRADE FORCES US TO PUT ALL OF THE SERVICE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT BUILDING.

SO THAT MEANS THAT, UH, OUR TRASH ROOM, ALL OF OUR UTILITY ROOMS LARGELY ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT BUILDING ON THAT, THAT SECTION OF GREEN STREET.

SO IF THE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT LOADING AND UNLOADING, YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE TRUCKS, IF THAT STREET DIDN'T GO THROUGH, THE SMALLER TRUCKS WOULD HAVE TO PULL IN AND THEN BACK OUT.

OR YOU HAVE TO CREATE, I THINK WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THE, UM, A WAY FOR THAT TRUCK TO MAKE A THREE POINT TURN, WHICH PULLS THE BUILDINGS FARTHER APART AND MAKES THAT SPACE FEEL WORSE AS A RESULT OF IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE NOW IT'S, IT'S A BUNCH OF, OF HARDSCAPE AND ASPHALT, WHEREAS NOW WE'RE ABLE TO GREEN IT UP BECAUSE OF THOSE THINGS ARE GOING THROUGH FOR THE LARGER DELIVERIES.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SEMI-TRUCK THAT ARE CURRENTLY SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF BRIDGE PARK AVENUE, WHICH NONE OF US LIKE, UM, WE WOULD BE RECREATING THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE THAT SERVICE AREA AT ALL.

THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO MAKE ANY DELIVERIES ON BRIDGE PARK AVENUE.

AND IN THIS SECTION OF BRIDGE PARK AVENUE IS TWO LANES INSTEAD OF THREE, WHICH ACTUALLY JUST MAKES THE PROBLEM EVEN WORSE.

SO THAT, THAT IS THE, THE RATIONALE BETWEEN, UH, ON THE NORTH OR AN END OF THE SITE ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THE SITE, WE NEED TWO EGRESS POINTS FOR THE GARAGE.

THE ONE ON DAVE THOMAS BOULEVARD ON THE EAST SIDE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

THAT'S FINE.

THE, AGAIN, BECAUSE THE, THE GRADE OF THIS SITE IS FALLING FROM EAST TO WEST, THE SOUTH SIDE, WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY PUT ANOTHER ENTRY, WE'VE GOT GRADE FALLING PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY DOWN THAT ROAD.

AND SO TRYING TO ALIGN A AN ENTRY ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE, WHICH FORCES US TO DO THE ENTRIES TO THE GARAGE ON THE EAST AND THE WEST FACADES.

SO YOU COULD HAVE GREEN STREET COME UP AND THEY WOULD ACCESS THE GARAGE, AND YOU COULD, I SUPPOSE, POTENTIALLY THEN NOT CONNECT THOSE DOTS, RIGHT.

WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY WHAT THAT THE, THE DARKER AREA IS THERE.

BUT TO US, IT, IT, IT, AGAIN, IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T FEEL RIGHT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE SERVICE RAMIFICATIONS FOR BOTH THE OFFICE, BUT ALSO THE, THE, THE CONDOMINIUMS. SO TO US, LESSER OF TWO EVILS TO THINK ABOUT THIS MORE IN TERMS OF A PEDESTRIAN ALLEY THAT HAPPENS TO HAVE THE CONNECTIVITY THROUGH RATHER THAN HAMMERHEADS ON EITHER SIDE WITHOUT THE CONNECTIVITY.

SO IT COULD, IT COULD BE THOUGH A LIMITED ACCESS, IT COULD BE A SERVICE ACCESS ONLY, LIKE A WIDER SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING WHERE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T, CAN'T ACCESS THIS ROAD.

SO IT'S VERY LIMITED CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY OR WHATEVER MIGHT BE MM-HMM.

YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK'S NOT, THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S CURRENT.

THAT'S NOT THE IDEA THOUGH, CURRENTLY.

SO CURRENTLY THERE ARE NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE, THERE AREN'T ANY BOLLARDS OR ANYTHING.

UM, I THINK THAT COULD ABSOLUTELY BE A PART OF IT.

IT WILL BE AN OPERATIONAL CHALLENGE FOR SURE, BUT I THINK THAT OUR EVENTS GROUP WOULD LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT GIVES US MORE FLEXIBILITY AND HOW THE SPACE IS ULTIMATELY USED.

SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO HOW THAT, HOW OPERATIONALLY THAT WORKS AND HOW OFTEN THOSE TRUCKS, WHICH ARE USUALLY JUST THERE IN THE MORNING, KEEP IN MIND THERE'S ONE RESTAURANT IN THAT OFFICE BUILDING.

SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS OFTEN AS, YOU KNOW, THE CORE OF BRIDGE PARK, BUT IT WILL STILL HAPPEN.

IT IS THIS URBAN PLACE SURROUNDED BY THESE BUILDINGS THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO BE EFFECTIVE IN A WAY THAT A LOT OF OUR OTHER P PARK POCKET PARKS ARE NOT.

THEN THE NEXT QUESTION THEN, IS THE PARK ITSELF.

IS THE VISION FOR THE PARK A KIND OF, IT, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S ALMOST A PRIVATE PARK FOR BLOCK J.

LIKE IS IT, IS THE VISION FOR IT TO BE CONNECTED MORE TO BRIDGE STREET? OR IS IT, IS THE VISION FOR THE, THE CONDOS AND THE, AND THE, AND THE OFFICE SPACE KIND OF, I MEAN, I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE CAN USE IT, BUT IT FEELS VERY ISOLATED, IS THAT THE IDEA OF THAT PARK, I WOULD SAY, UH, IS ABSOLUTELY FOR PUBLIC USE.

SO WE'LL START THERE.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

I THINK THE, THE TWO CONDO BUILDINGS HAVE PRIVATE SPACES WHICH AREN'T COUNTING TOWARDS OUR, OUR PUBLIC OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.

HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I PERSONALLY FIND INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IN THAT IT, IT OPENS UP TO DALE DRIVE AND YOU GET A PEAK OF IT FROM BRIDGE PARK AVENUE, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PATH OF DISCOVERY.

AND SO IT IS THIS,

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IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN MOST OF THE, THE INTERIOR POCKET PARKS OF BRIDGE PARK, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFERENT FROM SAY, RIVERSIDE CROSSING PARK.

UM, BECAUSE IT DOES, IT FEELS MORE INTIMATE, IT'S MORE ENCLOSED.

I, AGAIN, I I THINK IT'S OBVIOUSLY A GREAT IDEA.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO, IS THERE A WAY TO ACTIVATE A LITTLE MORE, LIKE, I THINK THERE'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE RESTAURANT SPECIFICALLY TO HAVE MORE PATIO.

I THINK WE'RE STARVING FOR PATIO SEATING AND SIDEWALK SEATING.

COULD THAT SPILL OUT IN THAT PARK? AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU CONSIDERED THE RESTAURANT FACING THE PARK AS OPPOSED TO HAVE IT BE FACING THE, THE ROAD.

SO WE, WE DID, UM, THAT WAS ANOTHER THING WE STUDIED, UH, SARAH COULD PROBABLY TALK A LOT ABOUT THIS.

THE, THE, THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SOLVE TO, THERE IS, UM, GRADES FOR A DA ACCESS ON THAT SIDEWALK BECAUSE THE GRADE CHANGE ON THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK IS SO SIGNIFICANT THAT AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN, I DON'T, I WISH THIS, I DON'T THINK THIS POINTER WORKS, BUT AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN THAT GRAY SIDEWALK THAT IS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF AGAINST THAT OFFICE RESTAURANT, AND YOU COME DOWN TO THE PLAN LEFT, AND THEN YOU MEET THAT SIDEWALK RIGHT THERE, YOU ARE ACTUALLY STILL SEVERAL FEET ABOVE THAT RESTAURANT.

IT TAKES THE REST OF THAT SIDEWALK GOING NORTH ALL THE WAY TO THAT CORNER IN ORDER TO, TO MAINTAIN A DA ACCESSIBLE SLOPES, IT TAKES THAT ENTIRE SIDEWALK IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION.

MAKES SENSE.

AND THEN ONE FINAL QUESTION I'LL LET, UH, MR. ALEXANDER HANDLE THE THIN BREAD CONVERSATION, BUT THE, THE, THE TRANSITION FROM WENDY'S AND FROM THAT, UM, DAVE THOMAS BOULEVARD, DID YOU CONSIDER ANY KIND OF STEPPING OF THE BUILDING? BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY BIG, BECAUSE I MEAN, WENDY'S OBVIOUSLY ISN'T THAT TALL, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT'S GONNA BE A PRETTY BIG WALL OF FACADE ACROSS THERE.

WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION, FIRST KIND OF STEPPING IN OR SOME SOMEHOW MITIGATING THE ARCHITECTURE IMPACT OF THAT LARGE BUILDING? YOU'RE, YOU'RE, SO THE, THE CONDO BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE, THE CONDO AND THE GARAGE KIND OF COMBINE THAT JUST LONG FACADE? UM, I, I MEAN, THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO.

WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY LOOKED AT THIS, THAT THE, THE BUILDINGS ON THIS BLOCK ARE ON AVERAGE A FULL STORY SHORTER THAN THE, THE, ALL OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE PREVIOUS.

SO LIKE MOST OF OUR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ARE SIX STORIES AT BRIDGE PARK.

THESE ARE FIVE OFFICE BUILDINGS, FIVE STORIES.

THESE ARE FOUR.

I THINK THERE WAS, THERE WAS DEFINITELY THOUGHT ABOUT HOW THAT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRANSITION, BUT I THINK IN OUR MIND, THINKING TO THE FUTURE ACROSS DAVE THOMAS BOULEVARD, IF WE'VE ALL, YOU KNOW, IF WE ALL CONTINUE TO HAVE SUCCESS AND HAVE DONE OUR JOBS, THAT WILL NOT BE A PARKING LOT AT SOME POINT.

AND SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY THINKING ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU, MS. HARDER.

I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UM, AM I SEEING, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S LIKE A CHARCOAL BRICK COLOR, BUT ARE YOU MOVING TO LIKE A, A PURPLE HUE? AM I SEEING THAT IN THE CONDO AREA? UH, SOME OF THE COLORING SEEMS TO BE RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S ONE, UM, AND I KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IS THAT GONNA BE TAKING THAT? NO, IT, IT, IT'S MORE OF A, A, A WARM, WARM GRAY, DARK GRAY.

SO THAT THE PURPLE, SO I SEE A DARK GRAY GRAY THAT THE PURPLE, THAT, THAT IS ACTUALLY A METAL PANEL, THE GRID OH, OKAY.

IN FRONT OF THE, UH, BALCONIES? NO, THAT, THAT IS A METAL PANEL.

IT'S A METAL PANEL, YEAH.

AND JUST, BUT IT, NO HUE OF A, A COLOR OF PURPLE.

IT'S KIND OF A, THAT IS ACTUALLY OKAY.

MORE RED.

I'M JUST MAKING SURE.

AND THEN WELL HELP ME WITH THIS TOO.

UM, WITH, UM, CAN, CAN PAUSE.

I THINK WHAT YOU ANSWERED WAS NOT WHAT MS. HARDER HEARD.

OH.

SO CAN YOU, AND IF WE COULD TAKE TURNS AND NOT TALK OVER EACH OTHER, THEN WE CAN ALL HEAR.

SORRY.

UH, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE COLORS ON THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE SEEING ON OUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW? YES.

SO THE, UH, LIGHTER TOPE COLOR THAT IS, UH, THE THIN BRICK OR NEW BRICK MATERIAL, THE, UH, DARKER BROWN MATERIAL THAT IS A, AN INTERLOCKING METAL PANEL.

AND THEN THE, UH, AGAIN, THE CHARCOAL THAT IS THE, UH, FULL DEPTH MASONRY, UM, MATERIAL, THE REDDISH OR DARK REDDISH BURGUNDY, THAT IS A METAL PANEL GRID THAT, UH, ENCAPSULATES SOME OF THE BALCONIES.

IS THAT THE HPL THAT WE'RE LOOKING? NO.

NO, THIS IS, UH, JUST A REGULAR ALUMINUM COMPOSITE METAL.

ABOUT THE PARKING LOTS, UM, THERE IS FROSTED GLASS, UH, AND I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN, UM, TALKING

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UM, IS THAT SOMETHING, IT WAS DESCRIBED AS LIKE YOU COULD SEE PEOPLE WALKING UP AND DOWN, RIGHT? YOU BEHIND THE FROSTED GLASS? 'CAUSE THEN THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THAT'S CLEAR GLASS.

SO WHEN YOU'RE AT THE TOP OF THE FLOOR, YOU CAN LOOK OUT.

BUT AS YOU GO DOWN THE STAIRS, IT'S A FROSTED GLASS.

SO FROM THE EXTERIOR YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE SHADOWS AND THINGS MOVING INSIDE, BUT THE VIEW WILL NOT BE OUT, BUT WE WILL LIGHT THAT UP AT NIGHT.

SO IT BECOMES LIKE JUST GLOWING BEACON OF KIND OF WHITE LIGHT.

CAN THAT ALSO BE, UH, AN ART EXHIBIT, OR CAN YOU USE THAT FOR SOMETHING, OR IS THERE ANY INTENTION OF THAT? OR IT, IT COULD BE.

IT DEFINITELY COULD BE.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOTTEN THAT FAR, BUT YEAH, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.

AND THEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE METAL MESH AND IT HAS VEGETATION.

HAVE YOU THOUGHT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOES HALFWAY.

UM, CORRECT.

UM, THE METAL MESH IS ACTUALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE BELOW THE SCRIM.

AND AGAIN, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE MESH THAT'S ON THE GARAGE AT THE MAIN LIBRARY.

UH, SO WE ARE, WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING WHETHER WE WANT THE, THE FOLIAGE TO GROW UP, UP THE, THE MESH, BUT IF WE DON'T, WE'LL THICKEN THE MESH.

SO IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA SCREEN THE INTERIOR OF THE GARAGE AT GR GRADE.

IS THE LIBRARY MESH FULL, LIKE FULL LENGTH OF IT? I THOUGHT I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS LIKE A HALF.

NO, IT'S, IT'S ONLY ON THE FIRST LEVEL.

AND THEN THERE ARE, UM, I'LL CALL 'EM SHADING FINS ABOVE AS A, A TECHNIQUE.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IT, DOES IT FULFILL THE WINDOW SPACE WHEN I MEAN THAT IT, DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY UP? I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT COVERS THE WHOLE, I DON'T BELIEVE IT DOES.

BUT HERE IT'S DEPICTING IT AS HALF WAY CORRECT? IT WOULD BE BELOW THE SCRIM, UH, AGAIN, ON THE FIRST LEVEL, ONLY COMING DOWN TO GRADE.

I GUESS LANDSCAPING WISE, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, ACROSS THE STREET ON, AT BRIDGE PARK AVENUE, UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S A CONDO OVER THERE, CONDOS THAT ARE OVER THERE.

AND, UM, IT IS THICK IN, UM, VEGETATION.

HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT ON THIS SIDE, IF IT NEEDS TO BE MORE VEGETATION? ANY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT OR, UH, ANY CONCERN ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE DOING? UM, ARE YOU SPEAKING TO LIKE THE NORTH SIDE OF BRIDGE PARK AVENUE, UM, PAST THE YEAH.

UM, TO THAT EGG? YEAH.

SO, UH, I THINK OUR PROPERTY LINE, THE LIMIT OF OUR WORK KIND OF GOES TO THAT MULTI-USE PATH THAT'S EXISTING THERE.

AND IT WAS OUR, UM, INTENTION TO, TO LEAVE THAT AS IS.

UM, WE HAVEN'T EXPLORED THAT.

UM, WE THOUGHT THAT THAT BUFFER OF PLANTING ON THAT OTHER SIDE, UH, WAS KIND OF AN ASSET TO, TO SEPARATE THE TWO, TWO BLOCKS.

BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S AS FAR AS WE TOOK IT.

UM, BUT, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO.

I, MY LAST QUESTION, HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT THE PRODUCT PROJECT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT S SYCAMORE RIDGE? YEAH.

YEAH, I THINK, NO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE NOT.

WHAT MOST OF THE AREA YOU'RE REFERRING TO, I BELIEVE IS ACTUALLY CITY PROPERTY.

THANK YOU MR. WE THANK YOU.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

MS. WASKOWITZ, CAN YOU COME UP, THIS MAY NOT BE A QUESTION YOU CAN ANSWER, OR MAYBE THE ANSWER'S VERY SIMPLE.

UM, AS YOU COME UP, WHEN YOU MOVE EAST TO WEST OF BRIDGE PARK AND YOU COME THROUGH WINDER STREET AND YOU HIT DALE DRIVE, AND THAT'S THE CONNECTION OF A WHOLE SERIES OF OPEN SPACES ALLEYWAYS THROUGH BRIDGE PARK, THE CONNECTIVITY TO THIS OPEN SPACE WOULD BE LOGICAL.

IS THERE ANY HOPE OF GETTING ANY KIND OF A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION ACROSS DALE DRIVE, KIND OF AT THAT, AT THE WINDER STREET OR WINDER STREET, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, INTERSECTION, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO RICH PARK AVE.

AND YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING, NOW? I DO.

THANK YOU, .

SORRY FOR THE DELAY.

UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE EXPLORED WITH THIS PROPOSAL.

UM, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO CONFIGURE CURB RAMPS TO ALLOW A DA ACCESS THERE.

NOT SUPPORTED ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY, BUT IT IS FOR THE WALKABLE DISTRICT IN THE LOW SPEED.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE MIDBLOCK CROSSINGS, UM, WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, TY TYPICALLY

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AND WHEN YOU GO FURTHER TO WHEN YOU FOLLOW IT TO THE WEST, THERE'S A WHOLE SERIES OF BUMPOUTS ON THE STREETS THAT CORRECT, CORRECT.

THAT FACILITATE THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE APPLICANT HAS HAD THAT DISCUSSION OR IF, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NOT, UH, BUT I WOULD SAY WE COULD EXPLORE THAT.

FIRST QUESTION, UH, THE SECOND QUESTION I WAS GONNA GO BACK TO, UM, THE GREEN STREET AND SERVICE ACCESS TO THE OFFICE BUILDING.

I, I WAS, THAT WAS TOP OF MIND TO ME.

UM, IN THE LAST PROPOSAL, AS YOU SAID, MR. HUNTER, THAT IT WAS A, WE HAD DISCUSSED IT BEING KIND OF A BACKEND KIND OF LOADING DOCK, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONE AWAY NOW.

IT'S NON LOADING DOCK OFF STREET.

IT'S ON STREET.

YOUR, YOUR TRUCKS ARE STOPPING IN A TWO LANE ROAD, AND IT COULD BE TRASHED THERE AT ONE POINT.

IT COULD BE SERVICE FOR THE RESTAURANT.

AGAIN, I, I GUESS I'M HEARING YOU SAY THERE'S OPTIONS FOR HOW WE MANAGE THAT STREET.

SO I JUST THINK I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR, I MEAN, YOU'VE ALREADY SAID KIND OF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, RIGHT? BUT THE ATTENTION RIGHT NOW IS IT'S, IT'S ON STREET LOADING AND, AND IT WILL BE, IT COULD BE DISRUPTIVE IF THAT STREET IS A THREE STREET AND CARS NEED TO GET THROUGH IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE, THERE WILL BE TRASH TRUCKS.

I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A NECESSARY EVIL.

RIGHT? AND, AND WE, WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE AREAS ALONG LONGSHORE STREET.

UM, SOME ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN OTHERS.

UM, I THINK LONGSHORE ALWAYS KIND OF WAS MEANT TO ACT AS THAT, THAT SERVICE ALLEY.

IT JUST SORT OF BECAME SOMETHING MORE.

UM, I THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITY, AND I'M, I'M, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN HERE, BUT I THINK THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME ADDITIONAL WIDTH ALONG THAT OFFICE BUILDING TO GET SOME OF THOSE OUT OF THE THROUGH LANES.

I'M LOOKING AT BRIAN.

'CAUSE I'M, I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.

CERTAIN, YEAH, POSSIBLY.

SO I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE.

THE, THE QUESTION BECOMES IS THEN, YOU KNOW, AS THEY MAKE THAT TURN, WHERE DO THEY GO? RIGHT, RIGHT.

WHICH IS, WHICH IS AT THE HEART OF CONNECTING THE DOTS.

AND ALSO THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING HAS THEIR SERVICE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

THAT, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS SHOWED IN THE LAST CON IN THE CONCEPT PLAN.

I BELIEVE THAT'S RIGHT.

OR WHERE, WHERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL SERVICE? MM-HMM .

WELL, .

AND THEY'RE COMING OUT THE OH, THEY'RE TAKING INTO THE GARAGE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO THEY, THAT, THAT SERVICE AREA COMES OUTTA THE GARAGE.

SO THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ARE HANDLED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY FROM A TRASH PERSPECTIVE.

AND THAT THERE IS A, THERE'S INSTEAD OF HAVING LIKE THE BIG CONTAINERS YEAH.

THEY'RE BASICALLY PER UNIT DIRECTLY INTO A TRASH TRUCK AND OUT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THE STORAGE.

SO WHAT, SO FROM THE PARKING GARAGE, HOW DOES IT GET TO A TRASH TRUCK? DO YOU HAVE TO WHEEL IT OUT TO IT'S, IT'S JUST IN A, IN A BIN? IT'S, IT'S EXACTLY HOW ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL IS DONE AT, AT BRIDGE PARK RIGHT NOW.

BUT HOW'S IT, HOW'S IT PICKED UP? SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE TRASH ROOMS ON EACH FLOOR AND THERE ARE LARGER BINS.

YOU, THE RESIDENTS ON THOSE FLOORS PUT THOSE IN THOSE BINS.

AND THEN THERE IS A, UH, SERVICE THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING THAT BIN INTO THE ELEVATOR, DOWN THE ELEVATOR, OUT TO THEIR TRUCK AND HAULING IT AWAY.

GOT IT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE OFFICE BUILDING AND THE RESTAURANT THEN ON THAT SIDE, BUT I THINK THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S HASN'T BEEN FIGURED OUT YET, ESPECIALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF GREEN STREET.

AND WITHOUT THE, THE OFF STREET LOADING OF THAT, I CAN SEE WHY YOU NEED TO HAVE A THROUGH STREET BECAUSE YOU GOTTA GET THAT TRUCK.

YOU CAN'T TURN THAT TRUCK AROUND.

SO THAT, THAT TO ME IS STILL SOMETHING THAT'S UNRESOLVED.

I THINK THE, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO THE STREETSCAPE IS, IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT I'M STILL THINK LOOKING FOR THE FUNCTIONAL SIDE.

YOU SAID, UM, UTILITIES ARE ON THAT SIDE.

IS THERE TRANSFORMERS? IS THERE TRANSFORMERS? YEAH.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST A MESSY, UH, CORNER.

ANYWAY, I, I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

THAT THAT'S A, A WORK IN PROGRESS.

THE O THE NEXT QUESTION I HAD WAS RELATED TO CODA, AND IT APPEARS ON THIS PLAN THAT THERE'S A BUS STOPPED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE GARAGE.

IS THAT INTENDED TO BE THE, THE CODA PARK AND RIDE BUS STOP? YES.

AND IS THERE, ARE YOU WORKING WITH CODA TO DO PROVIDE ANY AMENITIES OR SERVICE? YES.

SO WILL THERE BE A SPACE INSIDE THE PARKING GARAGE IN THE, WE'LL CALL IT THE, THE LOWER LEFT CORNER OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

I, I THINK THE INTENTION IS IT FOR IT TO BE WAITING PERHAPS SOME, UH, AREAS FOR THEIR DRIVERS.

SO ON THE CORNER OF GREEN STREET AND BANKER DRIVE.

SO THAT ENTIRE, WILL THAT ENTIRE FRONTAGE BE A BUS, WILL BE BUS LOADING? OR DO THEY, I THINK I, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE EXACTLY HOW MUCH SPACE THEY ACTUALLY NEED.

UM, IF IT'S,

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SO, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REQUIRED AT CERTAIN STOPS TO PROVIDE, UM, REST AREAS EFFECTIVELY FOR THEIR DRIVERS, BATHROOMS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THEIR PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO BRING YOU THAT AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, UM, LINKAS IS GONNA KICK IN AND THE BUS SERVICE IS GOING TO BE PERHAPS GREATER TO THIS AREA, AND THIS MAY ONLY BE A TEMPORARY LOCATION FOR IT.

IT MIGHT MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE FUTURE.

WHO KNOWS? BUT THAT, THAT, THAT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE.

THIS IS, THIS IS LIKELY AT LEAST A FIVE YEAR SOLUTION.

YEAH, YEAH.

UM, THAT IS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.

THANK YOU, MR. ALEX HANDER.

ALRIGHT, JAMIE, HERE'S THE QUESTION.

, I NEED A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND BECAUSE IN THE, IN THE YEAR I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIN BRICK.

NO PROJECT HAS COME BEFORE US WHEN I'VE BEEN ON, BEEN TO A MEETING.

SO IS THERE, I I SENSE THERE'S REAL RELUCTANCE TO USE, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SYNTHETIC PRODUCT THAT THEY'VE MENTIONED, BUT THERE'S REAL RELUCTANCE TO USE THIN BRICK.

IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? OKAY.

REBECCA'S SHAKING HER HEAD.

LET ME ASK THIS ANOTHER WAY.

BUT HAS THIS BOARD APPROVED THIN CUT STONE AND HAS THIS BOARD APPROVED CULTURED STONE? I THINK I'M THE MOST SENIOR PERSON ON THE, THE COMMISSION RIGHT NOW.

UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIMARY MATERIAL AND SECONDARY MATERIAL.

SO THE COMMISSION HAS TREATED THOSE VERY, VERY DIFFERENTLY, UH, TO THE FORMER.

I DON'T RECALL AN APPLICATION WHERE WE HAVE APPROVED IT TO THE LATTER.

JAMIE, DO YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT I HEARD, I THOUGHT I SAW YOU HIT NODDING ON THE SECOND ONE, BUT I DON'T RECALL ONE I FOR TO STAB.

I THOUGHT WE HAD IN THE PAST, BUT SO THIN BRICK, WE HAVE NO CULTURED CULTURE.

THE QUESTION ON CULTURED STONE.

YEAH, I DON'T RECALL A CULTURED STONE.

I THINK WE'RE LOOKING THAT UP RIGHT NOW.

SO COME BACK TO ME.

SO BACK TO MR, THE REASON, THE REASON I'M BRINGING THAT UP IS IF WE'VE APPROVED EITHER THE CULTURED STONE OR THE THIN CUT STONE VENEER, THE DEPTH OF THOSE IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE THIN BRICK.

SO NOW THE THIN BRICK, IF YOU DON'T DETAIL IT CORRECTLY AT THE CORNERS AND AT WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE IT'S A REAL, IT'S A REAL GIVEAWAY.

BUT IF, IF, MY, MY POINT IS, IF IN THE PAST THERE'S BEEN APPROVAL OF THOSE STONE MATERIALS, THOSE ARTIFICIAL ESSENTIALLY, THEN IT'S KIND OF HARD.

IF SOMEBODY WOULD COME TO US, AT LEAST FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, IF SOMEBODY WOULD COME TO US WITH THIN BRICK, WHICH IS CREATED THE SAME WAY THIN CUT STONE IS AND DETAILED IT CORRECTLY, SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE INCONSISTENT.

I, I WILL SAY THAT THE COMMISSION HAS ABSOLUTELY BEEN AGAINST INCLUDING THIN BRICK AS A PERMITTED MATERIAL.

IN BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.

CAR BLANCHE.

SO THAT MAY BE THE GROUNDS THEN IF IT'S IN THIS DISTRICT.

AS LONG AS THERE'S A LOGICAL ARGUMENT THAT CAN BE SUPPORTED, THEN, THEN I UNDERSTAND.

I DON'T WANT YOU, IT, IT'S, IT'S SO RARE FOR ME, AND, AND KIM MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION, BUT WHEN I SEE A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND AN ARCHITECTURAL PLAN THAT ACTUALLY COME TOGETHER AT THE MOST IMPORTANT POINTS, AND THE WAY I SEE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN DEVELOPING IS YOU MOVE UP, UM, UP ESSENTIALLY TO THE POOL, WHICH IS CENTERED ON THE DESIGN OF THE, OF THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THE APARTMENTS, HAS A LARGE PLANE THAT'S ISOLATED, CENTERED ON THAT POOL, UM, DOORWAY BELOW.

SO I'M, I'M ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, ZACH.

IN THE REPORT, YOU TALKED ABOUT EXCESSIVE LENGTH.

NOW IS THAT JUST OF THE BLOCK SIZE ALONG BRIDGE PARK AVENUE OR THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON BRIDGE PARK AVENUE TOWARDS THE, THE WAIVER FOR THE BLOCK SIZE? SO THAT IS, THE WAY THAT'S MEASURED IS ALONG PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, SO BLOCK LENGTH IS MEASURED FROM CORNER PROPERTY TO CORNER PROPERTY AT THE EDGE OF INTERSECTIONS OF PUBLIC STREETS.

SO IN THIS CASE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, AND THAT'S WHAT THE RED, THE RED OUTLINE IS INDICATING, IS FROM DALE DRIVE TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY DAVE THOMAS BOULEVARD EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM LENGTH THAT WOULD BE EXPECTED FOR NEWLY CREATED BLOCKS.

SO THAT'S WHY THE WAIVER'S REQUIRED.

UM, HOWEVER, AS IT WAS STATED, I THINK IN THE REPORT, RIGHT, IT'S BASED ON THE BRIDGE STREET STREET NETWORK MAP.

THIS ALIGNS WITH NO, YOU GAVE THE RATIONALE BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT, THAT SUPPORTS ANOTHER POINT IN YOUR STAFF REPORT THAT I'M GONNA DISCUSS HERE IN A MINUTE.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, I'M GONNA START WITH A COMPLIMENT, BUT THEN IT'S GONNA LEAD THE QUESTION.

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SO IT'S REALLY THE FOCAL POINT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO MY QUESTION TO MR. LIDLE IS, DID YOU THINK OF MAYBE BECAUSE I I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF POSITIVE THINGS, AND I'LL TALK LATER MAYBE ABOUT YOUR ELEVATIONS, BUT DID YOU THINK ABOUT CHANGING THE ARTICULATION OF THAT PLANE A BIT MORE? 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE CONTINUITY AND TRYING TO CREATE VERTICAL DIVISIONS, BUT CHANGING THAT, THE ARTICULATION OF THAT PLANE MORE TO EMPHASIZE ITS IMPORTANT LOCATION IN THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COURTYARD MM-HMM .

UM, I GUESS I REALLY WANTED TO, UM, EMPHASIZE, UH, THE MASONRY, UH, THE LIGHT COLOR MASONRY GOING FOR A FULL FOUR STORIES.

I DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANTED TO DIMINISH THAT IN THE COURTYARD.

WHERE I DO DIMINISH THAT IS AT THE MAIN ENTRY OFF OF BRIDGE PARK AVENUE.

AND I DID THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, TO HELP AGAIN, BREAK UP THAT HORIZONTAL.

AND MY POINT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PERFECT PHOTOGRAPH BECAUSE MY POINT IS YOU HAVE THIS BIG FOUR STORY PLANE THAT'S FLOATING OVER THE PLANE BELOW AND RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE FOCAL POINT.

THE POOL'S CENTERED ON THAT.

YOU'RE IN THE POOL, YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING UP, YOU SEE THIS ELEVATION, YOU SEE IT FROM DOWN BELOW.

THE PARK LEADS TO THAT.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY.

YOU, YOU'VE SET IT UP, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF ACTUALLY THE, THE, THE, THE BACKBONE OF, OF THE DESIGN IS, IS THAT TWO OVER TWO PUNCHED OPENING, UM, MATERIAL.

AND ACTUALLY, UM, IF I HAD ANOTHER SLIDE THAT I COULD PUT IN THERE, YOU'D SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF, FOR THE WING AGAINST THE GARAGE, UM, I BRING UP THE, UH, THE CHARCOAL FULL DECK MASONRY AGAIN UP AGAIN ON THAT FACADE IN, IN CERTAIN AREAS.

SO THERE'S AN INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE TWO.

SO, UM, BUT I WANTED TO CREATE A HIERARCHY BETWEEN THEM.

WELL THAT, THAT, THAT'S FINE.

IT, IT, IT SORT OF WORKS.

I THINK IT, IT, IT COULD MAKE YOUR DESIGN EVEN MORE DRAMATIC.

BUT THEN, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR MR. BEAS.

TELL ME ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO ELEVATIONS, THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND THE ELEVATION THAT FACES THE STREET.

I MEAN, HOW, HOW ARE THOSE RELATED? SO, UM, WE WANTED TO HAVE A DIFFERENCE.

I THINK YOU SEE A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE JUST MONOTONOUS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SAME EXPRESSION.

AND SO, UH, AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS AND BREAKING DOWN THESE PIECES, WE STARTED WITH THE BRIDGE PARK AVENUE AND WE, WE CREATED A MODULE AS IT KIND OF MARCHES ALONG BRIDGE PARK AVENUE CULMINATING IN THE BALCONIES.

WHEN WE MOVED TO THE PARK OR THE SOUTH SIDE, WE WANTED, AGAIN, TO HAVE A SIMPLICITY, UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF REGULATING LINES, FLOOR LINES AND VERTICAL LINES, SO THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAPPING, UM, IN THE GEOMETRY AND ALSO, UM, IN THE MATERIALS, WHICH ARE THE, THE COLORS.

SO THE TWO DIFFERENCE IS THE COLORS.

SO, UH, AGAIN, WE CHOSE THIS MORE WOOD LOOK PRODUCT, THE FAN PANEL TO ADDRESS A WARMTH TO THE PARK AND, AND REALLY BECOME A SIMPLE BACKDROP.

SO, AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WHEN THOSE TWO COME TOGETHER AND HOW THEY TRANSITION, UM, AT THAT POINT WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THE BALCONY STICK OUT AND HOW IT CULMINATES IN THE, UM, ENTRY, UM, WITH THE WOOD LOOK PANEL AND THE, THE CHARCOAL BRICK, UM, ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE AND THEN GOING UP THAT UP FOUR STORIES.

SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS.

AND AGAIN, AS WE TALKED ABOUT IT AS A TEAM, UM, AND OBJECTIONS WERE KIND OF BROUGHT UP, DO WE NEED BUMPS AND ALL THAT STUFF? I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON WITH THIS BUILDING.

WE FELT THE SIMPLICITY OVERRULED, UM, THAT KIND OF DECISION.

I HAVE A PRODUCT FOR YOU.

UM, BUT WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT.

UM, HAVE YOU USED THIS HPL PANEL ANY PLACE? I HAVE NOT USED IT.

IT WAS, UM, SUGGESTED TO US BY THE SAME, UM, SUPPLIER THAT WE DID TO, UM, PRODUCTS ON G ONE.

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UH, AND IT GETS A HIGH PRESSURE LAMINATE.

UM, I HAVE SAMPLES HERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE 'EM.

UM, IT HAS A 10 YEAR WARRANTY AND HE GAVE ME A WHOLE LIST OF BUILDINGS THAT THEY HAVE USED IT ON, UM, WHICH WERE SUBMITTED AS PRODUCT DATA FOR APPROVAL IN OUR CLIMATE.

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE THAT LIST.

YEAH, THEY, ZACH, YOU SHOULD HAVE THOSE, THE PRODUCT DATA AND ALL THAT EXAMPLES FOR WHERE THE PRODUCT WAS USED FOR THE HPL PANEL.

I, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH OUR MATERIALS AGAIN.

I, I DIDN'T SEE THOSE EXAMPLES, BUT, UM, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE CAN ALWAYS BRING THOSE BACK WITH THE FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

YEAH, YOU SHOULD HAVE IT.

THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.

WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, I GUESS IS THE FIRST THING I WANNA MAKE SURE.

I, I, I WANNA BE CLEAR ON SOMETHING, ON THE, THE CONDO PIECE.

THERE'S THE PENDING QUESTION IS EITHER THIS NEW BRICK OR THAT'S IT, RIGHT? I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA CONSIDER THE THIN BRICK.

SO WHAT IS CURRENTLY SHOWN ON THE BUILDING IS FIN BRICK.

UM, THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT PLAN CONSIDERED NEW BRICK, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE APPLICANT HAS DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FIN BRICK, BUT IS LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON NEW AS THAT MIGHT BE A MA CONSIDERED MATERIAL MOVING FORWARD.

ONE THING I DID WANT TO ADD, AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AS WELL, SO CORRECT THAT THIN BRICK'S NOT CONSIDERED A PERMIT OR PRIMARY OR SECONDARY MATERIAL.

IT IS A MATERIAL THAT HAS RECEIVED APPROVAL ON NUMEROUS BUILDINGS IN BRIDGE PARK AS WELL AS TOWNS ON THE PARKWAY AND A FEW OTHER BUILDINGS.

I THINK IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, I THINK THE TOURS THAT WE'VE DONE IN LOOKING AT MATERIALS, IT MIGHT BE MORE ABOUT, AND MS CALL, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

I THINK IT'S HOW IT'S APPLIED IN THE LONGEVITY OF, AND JUST THE, THE DURABILITY OF IT LONG TERM.

DOES THAT, DOES THAT SOUND CORRECT? IT'S ACCURATE.

UM, I I WANNA PREFACE THAT BY SAYING FORMER COMMISSIONS DO NOT TIE THE HANDS OF CURRENT COMMISSIONS YOU'RE APPOINTED WITH YOUR PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WE, WE VALUE THAT PERSPECTIVE AND EXPERIENCE.

AND SO JUST BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONS HAVE NOT OR HAVE APPROVED SOMETHING IN THE PAST DOES NOT TIE YOUR HANDS.

RIGHT NOW THIN BRICK HAS NOT A PERMITTED MATERIAL IN BRIDGE PARK.

IT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN BRIDGE PARK ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

AND SO IF WE'D LIKE BEFORE WE DO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE CAN HAVE STAFF BRING BACK THE, UM, THE, THE MINUTES, THE CASE HISTORIES FOR WHEN IT HAS BEEN APPROVED.

BUT SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SIX YEARS AGO IS WHEN I STARTED HEARING SPECIFIC.

DON'T, DON'T DON'T, WE HAD, UM, AT LEAST ONE HOTEL IN THE CITY THAT WAS A NEWER HOTEL THAT THE THIN BRICK STARTED POPPING OFF.

AND SO THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION OF COULD IT HAVE BEEN JUST APPLICATION, IS IT THE PRODUCT? AND THAT WAS BEFORE WE HAD MR. FORD ON RETAINER.

SO AGAIN, PREVIOUS COMMISSIONS DO NOT TIE THE HANDS OF CURRENT COMMISSION MEMBERS AND WE HAVE PERMITTED THIN BRICK IN CERTAIN APPLICATIONS IN BRIDGE PARK BEFORE.

IS THE NEW BRICK BEING UNDER, UH, SOME EVALUATION? YEAH, SO WE SHARED IT WITH OUR, OUR ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT AND THAT'S A MEMO THAT IS PROVIDED IN YOUR MATERIALS.

UM, SO THEY, THEY REVIEWED IT.

THEY HAVE NOT SPECIFICALLY USED IT, BUT THEY REQUESTED MATERIAL SAMPLES, WHICH I DID BRING ONE.

UM, AND THEIR FEEDBACK IS THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEWER MATERIAL.

THEY FIND IT TO BE REALLY INNOVATIVE.

UM, THEY'RE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT, WHAT YOU ALL THINK OF THIS AS WHETHER IT'S AN ACCEPTED MATERIAL.

UM, IT'S BEEN USED IN SIMILAR CLIMATES IN DAYTON, BUT AGAIN, IT'S ONLY BEEN BUILT FOR, THAT BUILDING'S BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS.

SO THE WARRANTY IS ABOUT 25 YEARS, IF THAT'S CORRECT.

SO I THINK THERE'S JUST SOME QUESTIONS ON THE LONGEVITY AND HOW IT WILL HOLD UP.

THAT'S, THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE MAIN QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD.

SO HERE, GOING BACK TO THE APPLICANT, BECAUSE I WANNA, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY ASKING.

IS THE NEW BRICK OUT AND YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER THE THIN BRICK FOR THE APPLICATION OR DO YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER BOTH BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA EVENTUALLY GET TO THE A POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

SO WE DO,

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'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE LIMITED TO A HEIGHT ON THE WOOD, THE WOOD STRUCTURE.

SO WE CAN'T TAKE IT ANY FURTHER WITHOUT PUTTING A BUNCH OF STEEL IN THE WOOD AND STEEL AND WOOD DO NOT WORK WELL TOGETHER.

SO YOU, YOU END UP THE BUILDING'S SLOWLY TEARING ITSELF APART IF YOU'RE NOT TOO CAREFUL.

SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE HARDY PANEL OR SOME OTHER METAL PANEL ON THE TOP OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS.

UM, WE HAD MADE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION, UM, PROBABLY A MONTH OR TWO AGO THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN THIN BRICK APPROVED AT PREVIOUS, UM, BLOCKS, THAT THAT WAS A SAFER ALTERNATIVE THAN BRINGING SOMETHING THAT NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT BEFORE.

SO THAT IS WHY WE MADE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION TO COME TO, TO DETAIL EVERYTHING WITH THE THIN BRICK.

THAT BEING SAID, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS SOLVED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND THAT, AND WHICH IS WHY WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE EVERYONE'S TEMPERATURE.

ON THE, THE, THE POOL, SINCE YOU'RE UP THERE, , JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, CAN WE GET THE ONE PHOTO WHERE IT SHOWS LIKE WALK THE PEOPLE WALKING UP THE STEPS INTO THE CONDO? ZACH, I THINK YOU KNOW THAT ONE.

SO I LIKE THE DESIGN OF, AND I THINK GARY MENTIONED IT ABOUT THE, THE FLOW FROM KINDA WHERE THE STREET IS THROUGH THE PARK, BUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF LIKE SECURITY MEASURES ARE YOU THINKING FOR THAT POOL ACCESS? BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE YOU'RE NOT WANTING ONLY ONLY INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LIVING THERE OR THEIR GUESTS ARE GONNA BE ALLOWED.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

THE, THE, THE POOL ITSELF BY CODE HAS TO HAVE ITS OWN FENCE AND AT LEAST 48 INCHES HIGH.

AND IT HAS A SPECIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, MECHANISM TO, UH, KEEP PEOPLE OUT.

SO, AND IT CAN BE, UH, HAVE AN ELECTRONIC LOCK THAT IS ACCESSED BY A KEY FOB, UH, THAT ONLY RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE.

UM, BUT BECAUSE ONLY THE POOL IS ENCASED IN THIS FENCE, IT DOESN'T UDE SOMEONE FROM GOING UP TO THOSE STAIRS.

AND THEN, 'CAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER ENTRY TO THE BUILDING AT THE END OF THE COURTYARD MM-HMM .

SO ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO ENLIVEN THAT COURTYARD OTHER THAN PEOPLE GOING TO THE POOL.

NO, I, I I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

ARE, ARE YOU CONTEMPLATING THEN I'LL CALL THE PUBLIC TRAVERSING THAT FOYER OR CORRIDOR WHEREBY THEY CAN LOOK INTO THE POOL? I, I, I THINK WITH THE TWO SETS OF STEPS, IT, IT, IT REALLY KIND OF DELINEATES, YOU KNOW, UH, THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATE AND THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UM, ELEVATION CHANGE BETWEEN STREET LEVEL AND THAT COURTYARD.

UM, ALTHOUGH IT HAS BEEN DIMINISHED BY THE TERRACING, UM, THAT HAILEY HAS INTRODUCED THERE.

YOU COULD PROBABLY, I MEAN YOU HAVE OTHER, WELL, NO, I JUST, THIS IS MORE OF A DELIBERATION TYPE OF QUESTION, BUT I CAN ASK IT.

IT'S LIKE I, I FORESEE A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE IN THAT LOWER PARK AREA AND THEN IT'S ON A WEEKEND OR WHATEVER AND THEY TRAVERSE UP AND IT'S INFRINGING UPON THE PRIVACY OF THE CONDOMINIUM OWNERS AND THEIR GUESTS THAT ARE TRYING TO ENJOY, BUT THEY'RE SEEING PEOPLE AROUND CREATING NOISE DISTURBANCE THAT WOW, THEY CAN, THEY'RE PERMITTED TO BE THERE, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S LIKE A SECOND OPERATIONAL SECURITY MEASURE THAT YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING FOR JUST SOME ADDITIONAL PRIVACY IN THAT.

YEAH, RESPECT.

I, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THERE'S EFFECTIVELY, AS YOU GET TO THE TOP OF THE STEPS, THERE WOULD BE A, A SECURED GATE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE FO GATE.

THEN IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO THE POOL, THAT'S ANOTHER GATE, BECAUSE THEN THAT'S THE CODE REQUIREMENT.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, AN AREA THAT'S KIND OF SIMILAR, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE NORTH END OF THE, UH, NORTH MARKET, YOU'VE GOT THE WADDLE, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET, THERE IS A POOL THAT SITS UP A LITTLE BIT.

NOW THERE'S, THERE'S A WATERFALL THERE, RIGHT.

SO THERE'S NOT THE GRAND STEPS TO TAKE YOU UP, BUT I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY EVER HEARD ANYONE COMPLAINING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, OUR OPEN SPACES HAVE BEEN USED PRETTY POLITELY.

UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK TO YOUR POINT, YOU'RE NOT GOING PAST THE UPPER END OF THAT.

OUR LAST MEETING AND SPECIFICALLY SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED, AND THE ONE OF THEM WAS RELATIVE TO THE, THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE CONDO.

THAT STAIR, I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OF THE NOTES FROM

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IS IT STILL YOUR EXPECTATION THAT INDIVIDUALS, IF I LIVE IN THE CONDO, I'M PARKING IN THE GARAGE, I HAVE TO EXIT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE GARAGE AND THEN GO OUT TO A DIFFERENT ENTRANCE INTO THE CONDOMINIUM BUILDING? NO, EVERY FLOOR LEVEL HAS DIRECT CONNECTION TO THE GARAGE LEVEL.

THE, THE FLOORS ARE, UH, ALIGNED.

HAVING SAID THAT THOUGH, 'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS ALSO IMPORTANT.

THERE IS A, A CONDO, UH, LOBBY THAT IT IS ON BRIDGE PARK AVENUE.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT A GUEST THAT HAS YOUR ADDRESS, THEY COULD PARK IN THE GARAGE, THEY COULD GET THERE, BUT THERE IS STILL A FRONT DOOR.

BUT THEY'RE NOT, YES, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I'M SAYING IF I'M AN OWNER, I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO FOB THROUGH YES.

DIRECTLY ON THAT.

AND THERE'LL BE, I IMAGINE RESERVE SPACES FOR THE CONDOMINIUM OWNERS, IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN EXACTLY HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK BECAUSE THE GARAGES ARE ARE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS TO THAT.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN G BLOCK.

THERE'S THE G BLOCK.

CONDO OWNERS DON'T HAVE RESERVE SPACES.

THEY DON'T.

NO.

AND AS IT ACTUALLY HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE, CAN WE PULL UP THE, UH, THE ONE OVERHEAD OVERHEAD VIEW WE TALK ABOUT OUR FAVORITE STREET.

SO I THINK I SAID SOMETHING, I KNOW IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY REFLECTED, BUT IF IT'S A PASS THROUGH, IT'S GONNA BE A NO FOR ME, I THINK IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.

I'M I THINK CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY, AND I WAS LOOKING, I CAN'T RECALL WHAT I SAW AT SOME OF THE NOTES.

THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO BE PEDESTRIAN ONLY.

THAT WAS, IS THAT FAIR? IS THAT A FAIR REPRESENTATION? ZACH, THEIR COMMENTS WERE, I'D SAY MORE ABOUT HOW ARE YOU CONNECTING THE OPEN SPACES TOGETHER? SO THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A CONSISTENT FLOW ACROSS THESE.

I WOULDN'T SAY THEY WANTED IT TO BE PEDESTRIAN ONLY.

UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE BASIS BEHIND THEIR COMMENTS.

WHEN I SEE THIS, I, I DO APPRECIATE THE COLORATION DIFFERENTIAL THAT IT'S PRESENTED, BUT I THINK WE ARE UNDERESTIMATING THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET ON THAT STREET SEPARATE FROM THE CONSTRUCTION PIECE.

AND I'M WONDERING WHAT OTHER THINGS CAN WE DO? HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF LIKE A, A CIRCULAR TURNAROUND? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE GREEN STREET SIDE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I THINK YOU COULD ACTUALLY CUT THAT OFF AND MAKE IT A TURN.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE GARAGE ACCESS.

THAT'S FINE.

BUT THE, THE PIECE UP TOP WHERE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE DELIVERIES AND THE TRASH, HAS THERE BEEN CONSIDERATION FOR SOME TYPE OF LARGER CUL-DE-SAC WHERE IT JUST IS A LARGE, YOU KNOW, CIRCULAR PIECE THERE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE, THOSE, UH, THE ISSUES YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLES? WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM DIAMETER THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? 96.

AND WE HAVE HOW MUCH SPACE BETWEEN THE OFFICE BUILDING AND THE ELLIS? NOT 96, I'M GUESSING IT'S BETWEEN 60 AND 70 MAYBE.

MAYBE NARROWER.

WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THIS, WE'RE NOT OVERLY CONCERNED WITH THE AMOUNT OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THIS.

SO I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS A LITTLE BIT.

UM, WITH THIS, WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, THE INTENT WAS TO BREAK DOWN A LOT OF WHAT WE WOULD TRADITIONALLY DO IN SUBURBAN CITY.

AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE BLOCK DIMENSIONS AND LOTS, 'CAUSE THAT'S BASED AROUND PUBLIC STREETS, PRIVATE STREETS.

UM, THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A, AT LEAST PER CODE, AN ALLEY OR SERVICE STREET, WHICH IS EXPECTED FOR VERY LOW CAPACITY, LOW SPEED STREETS LOCATED NEAR THE REAR OF LOTS.

UM, AND IT'S INTENDED FOR PARKING, SERVICING, PROVIDING SERVICE FOR PARKING FACILITIES, LOADING FACILITIES AND SERVICE AREAS FOR REFUGE OR YEAH, REFUSE, UH, UTILITY.

SO GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THIS STREET, IT DOESN'T CONNECT THROUGH, UM, IT DOESN'T CARRY ON A CONSISTENT, UM, LIKE A, A PATH LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET WOULD ELSEWHERE, LIKE YOU SEE WITH, WITH BANKER DRIVE OR LONGSHORE STREET.

THOSE ARE ALL NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.

THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTER

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AND WHEN REVIEWING THIS AS WELL, WE WOULD TYPICALLY NOT RECOMMEND DOING SOME SORT OF CUTOFF OR CUL-DE-SAC OR HAMMERHEAD, UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT, THAT KIND OF GOES AGAINST THE, THE FLOW, NOT JUST THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, BUT YOU'RE THEN CUTTING INTO THE FLOW OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AS WELL.

UM, THIS, THIS GREEN STREET I'LL CALL IT, UM, ALSO REPRESENTS A MID BLOCK PEDESTRIAN WAY.

UM, SO IT, IT CONTINUES TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT, UM, PEDESTRIAN SCALABLE ALSO GETTING VEHICLES SAFELY THROUGH THIS.

SO THAT'S JUST SOME OF THE BACKGROUND ON WHY IF THIS STREET IS TO HAPPEN, WE WOULD AS A CITY WOULD LIKELY WANT TO SEE THIS AS THROUGH STREET AS WELL.

'CAUSE WE DON'T EXPECT, I WOULD NOT EXPECT THE, THE CAPACITIES OF THIS, AND I'M, I'M SPEAKING A LITTLE OUT OF TERM HERE, BUT I'M GETTING A NOD.

SO THAT'S GOOD FROM TINA .

UM, WE WOULD NOT EXPECT THE CAPACITIES OF THIS TO BE SIMILAR TO A DAVE THOMAS BOULEVARD OR A DALE DRIVE OR A BRIDGE PARK AVENUE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOME OF THE BACKGROUND ON WHY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS OKAY WITH THIS BEING A THROUGH STREET.

I HOPE THAT THAT HELPS PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT HERE.

HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ON THE, WITH THE OFFICE AND RESTAURANT DOING SOMETHING WHERE THE FIRST FLOOR MAYBE IS CUT OFF AND ELIMINATED WHERE YOU'RE HAVING ADDITIONAL SPACE WHERE THERE COULD BE A KIND OF A TURNAROUND.

SO INSTEAD OF CREATING LIKE WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, SEE THE ROAD, BUT WHERE YOU'RE, YOU HAVE AN OVERHANGING OF THE FLOORS, I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THE SUPPORT STRUCTURE, BUT WHERE YOU'RE GONNA LOSE A LITTLE SPACE IN THE BUILDING, BUT YOU'RE GONNA ALLOW FOR AN ADDITIONAL DELIVERY ASPECT AND TURNAROUND ASPECT IN THAT AREA.

I MEAN WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE STUDIED A LOT OF VERSIONS OF THIS.

I THINK GOING BACK TO THE NUMBERS I WAS ASKING IT, IT TAKES A LITTLE OVER 90 FEET FOR JUST A REGULAR BOX TRUCK TO MAKE THAT CIRCLE THAT'S ALMOST TWICE THE WIDTH OF THE SPACE BETWEEN THE OFFICE BUILDING AND THAT, AND THAT CONDO BUILDING AS IT'S DESIGNED.

AND I THINK GOING BACK TO WHAT, UM, WHAT ZACH WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S NOW 90 FEET OF PEDESTRIAN UNFRIENDLY AREA WHERE YOU'VE GOT A, NOW YOU'RE WATCHING FOR THESE, THESE TRUCKS VERSUS WHEN IT'S A THROUGH STREET, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE GOING BECAUSE THEY'RE POINTED IN THAT DIRECTION.

BUT YOU'RE LOSING, I LOSING, I THINK THE BETTER WORD IS YOU ARE EVISCERATING THE CONTINUITY OF THAT AREA.

IF YOU WANT IT SEPARATED COMPLETELY WHERE YOU'RE TAKING THE POOLSIDE, WHERE THE CONDOS ARE AND THEN THE, THE, THE PARK AREA, THEN YES, YOU COULD LEAVE IT AS A THROUGH STREET AND I THINK YOU SHOULD MAKE IT A PUBLIC STREET.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THE CONTINUITY WHERE YOU DO HAVE THE PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THIS CAN BE A CONNECTED STREET.

I THINK AGAIN, I THINK THE CITY IS, IS ALSO UNFORTUNATELY WRONG IN THIS RESPECT.

YOU'RE WOEFULLY UNDERESTIMATING THE AMOUNT OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

IT'S GONNA BE THERE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE WORKING IN THE OFFICE AND THEN THE INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN THE CONDOMINIUMS AND THEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE VISITING THE AREA.

AND WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL PHASE TWO.

UH, BUT THAT'S FINE.

IT'S MORE OF A DELIBERATION.

I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS, I THINK.

OH, UH, I THINK I'M GOOD FOR NOW.

THANK YOU MR. GARBY.

IT'S WELL, AND I, I REMEMBER USING THE TERM URBAN AR ARBORETUM AND I, AND I THINK HE USED EDUCATIONAL AT ONE POINT.

UM, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO DELIBERATE TOO MUCH.

I, UH, AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE THROUGH STREET THOUGH.

I WONDER IF THERE'S BEEN A CONSIDERATION OF MAKING IT ONE WAY OR IF THAT WOULD, UM, HARM THE ELLIS GARAGE ENTRANCE TOO MUCH.

THAT IS ONE THING WE HAVEN'T STUDIED.

IT'S NOT A CRAZY IDEA.

AND, UM, THIS MAY BE FOR HALEY IF SHE'S STILL THERE.

UM, YOU MENTIONED THE TERM AN ARBORETUM FEEL FOR THAT PARK, AND I WONDER IF THERE'S BEEN ANY THOUGHT TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, AN ACTUAL ARBORETUM WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A VARIETY OF TREES.

I REALIZE THERE'LL BE COST AND TIME OF GROWTH CONSTRAINTS, BUT ARE YOU LOOKING AT ACTUALLY LABELING A VARIETY OF INTERESTING TREES AND MAKING IT KIND OF HAVE A LITTLE PLACE MAKING APPEAL THAT WAY? I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER.

UM, ESPECIALLY WITH HAVING LIKE THE MATURE TREES UP THERE ALREADY AND THEN SEEING THOSE OTHER ONES GROW AND, UM, HAVING AN EMPHASIS ON MAYBE SOME NATIVE PLANTS THAT USED TO BE IN THAT SPACE.

UM, IT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD CONSIDER.

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YEAH, I THINK THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, SO I, I HAPPEN TO BE ON THE, UH, BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR THE FRANKLIN PARK CONSERVATORY, AND SO ARBORETUM ACTUALLY DOES HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC DEFINITION THAT WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MEET HERE.

THAT, HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING NATIVE TREES, DIFFERENT VARIETIES, ONE OF THE THINGS WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS TRY TO SAVE SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE COAT A LOT AND MOVE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY MATURE, RIGHT? WE, WE WANTED TO SAVE MORE THAN WE WERE ABLE TO BECAUSE VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM WERE COTTONWOODS WHEN WE ACTUALLY GOT IN THERE AND LOOKED THAT THEY WERE ONES THAT THE CITY AGREED, LIKE, WE DON'T WANT THESE.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THERE IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR HOW DO, HOW DO WE REALLY MAKE THIS THING FEEL MATURE AND LUSH.

UM, AND I'M SO SORRY, SORRY, I FORGOT YOUR, YOUR NAME, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE GARAGE, ON THE TOWER OF FROSTING.

DAN, DAN, I SHOULD REMEMBER THAT ONE, SHOULDN'T I? ? UM, HA.

HAVE YOU HAD ANY THOUGHT, I KNOW WE'VE MENTIONED HOW YOU COULD, UH, MS. HARDER DISCUSSED HOW YOU COULD KIND OF MAKE THAT FROSTED GLASS AND ART.

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED KIND OF VARIOUS COLORED LIGHTS THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, BE SOMETHING MORE DYNAMIC, UH, AS DAY OR NIGHT GOES ON? YEAH, I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE, UM, WE REALLY HAVEN'T GOTTEN QUITE INTO THE DETAILS.

BUT, UM, YES, WE COULD DO IT THROUGH LIGHTING, WE CAN DO IT THROUGH PATTERN ON THE GLASS.

WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING ON THE WALLS ON THE INTERIOR OF REDS AS WELL, SO.

OKAY, GREAT.

AND THEN ON THE, ON THE SCRIM, I, I HAD SOME CONFUSION.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WILL BE METAL AND WOULD BE EXPECTED TO HAVE SIMILAR LIFESPAN TO THE GARAGE ITSELF.

WELL, ACTUALLY, UH, TO CORRECT ZACH, IT'S ACTUALLY A PVC.

I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY PVC AND I HAVE A SAMPLE IF YOU WANNA SEE IT HERE TOO.

UM, BUT YOU CAN GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE G ONE AS WELL.

IT'S A, IT'S A PVC, UM, SCRIM AND IT'S A MESH, AND THEY, UM, YOU CAN DO ANY DIGITAL IMAGE ON IT THAT YOU WANT.

SO YOU'VE GIVE THEM IMAGE AND THEY SILK SCREEN IT ON.

AND IS IT EXPECTED TO HAVE THE SAME LIFESPAN OF THE GARAGE OR WOULD IT BE, UH, REPLACED OVER SOME PERIOD OF TIME? I THINK IT HAS A 10 YEAR WARRANTY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

SO IF YOU WANNA CHANGE THE IMAGE, YES, YOU'D BE REPLACING THE GROOM.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

UH, MR. HUNTER, MR. HOUNSELL, I'M GONNA ASK YOU A JOINT QUESTION.

MR. HOUNSELL ARE LOTS AND BLOCKS, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, UH, MAX IS 517 50 ON PERIMETER, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

HAVE YOU MEASURED IF THE PRIVATE STREET WERE A PRIVATE STREET, WHAT THE LOCK AND BLOCK WOULD BE FOR THOSE PIECES? I HAVEN'T PERSONALLY, BUT I'M LOOKING AT, IF NOT, CAN YOU MAKE AN EDUCATED GUESS? WOULD IT FALL WITHIN THE MAXIMUM? I CAN TELL HE'S MEASURING RIGHT NOW.

AND MR. HUNTER, YOU DO A VERY GOOD JOB.

IF YOU COULD REPEAT, SO IT'S ON THE PUBLIC RECORD, SO 400 FEET FROM DALE, FROM THE INTERSECTION OF DALE AND BRIDGE PARK AVENUE TO GREEN STREET, SO THAT 3, 340 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION OF DALE AND BRIDGE PARK AVENUE TO BRIDGE, PARK AVENUE AND GREEN STREET.

SO LEAVING THE OTHER ONE IF MY NAPKIN MATH IS RIGHT AT, UH, 300 OR LESS.

BECAUSE YOU'RE SIX 40 CURRENTLY, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PERIMETER, RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE 1950, SO MY VERY SIMPLISTIC BRAIN, EVEN AT THIS HOUR CAN SAY THAT GIVEN THAT WE'RE BISECTING AT 1750, WOULD IT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT MAXIMUM? IS THAT CORRECT? AGAIN, FOR PERIMETER RIGHT NOW YOU'RE 1950 WITH THE ENTIRETY OF THE BLOCK, IF WE BISECT IT, THEN EACH HALF WOULD BE LESS THAN 1750 WOULD BE? YES.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN I THINK I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION.

UM, MR. HUNTER, YOU'VE DONE MANY PROJECTS WITH US BEFORE.

YOU HAVE SOME AREAS WHERE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE IS SEGMENTED FROM PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, BUT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO HAVE YOU HAD ANY ISSUES, HAVE YOU, UM, RECEIVED ANY CALLS OF SUBSTANCE WHERE THAT DOESN'T WORK? NONE WHATSOEVER.

SPECIFICALLY THE, THE ALL THE WAY UP VOIDS? CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR THERE? SURE.

UH, AND THEN ONE QUESTION ON YOUR GARAGE.

SO IF YOU COULD STAY, BUT CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE VOIDS IN THE GARAGE,

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UM, SO I MENTIONED THAT THIS GARAGE WAS MODELED AFTER THE NORTH MARKET GARAGE.

AND, UM, IF IN BETWEEN THE MATERIALS, THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME EXPOSED CONCRETE, WHICH WE'RE SHOWING HERE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY IN THE NORTH MARKET GARAGE.

SO WE JUST TOOK THAT IDEA AND EXPOSED IT AGAIN IN AN HONEST EXPRESSION ON THE CORNERS.

MORE SPECIFICALLY, I'M TALKING THE VERTICAL ONES ALONG THE, THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING WHERE YOUR DARK GOES TO YOUR TAN, GOES TO YOUR DARK, GOES TO YOUR TAN.

THERE ARE THESE AREAS BETWEEN THE COLORATION, RIGHT? THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THOSE, WELL, I CALL 'EM SPLITS OR SPLITS, THAT, THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON THE NORTH MARKET GARAGE.

IT'S THE EXPOSED CONCRETE.

SO WE'RE PICKING UP THAT IDEA AT THOSE SPLITS AND EMPHASIZING IT MORE ON THE CORNERS.

AND MR. HUNTER, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, OUR FAVORITE GARAGE IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN, YOU DID IT, .

HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE FEATURE SETS TO MAKE IT LOOK LESS LIKE A GARAGE? WELL, I THINK OUR, THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS, RIGHT? SO I THINK IN MY MIND THE, THE TWO BIGGEST THINGS THAT ACCOMMODATE THAT ONE ARE THE OPENINGS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

SO SOME OF OUR EARLY GARAGES THINK, UM, B BLOCK AND C BLOCK , THEY HAVE THESE REPETITIVE 30 FOOT WIDE HORIZONTAL OPENINGS, AND THAT READS GARAGE.

UM, WHAT, UH, DAN WAS JUST REFERRING TO THE D BLOCK GARAGE, WHICH IS WHAT'S ABOVE THE NORTH MARKET.

WE CHANGED THOSE PROPORTIONS.

SO WE CREATED THESE FACADE TYPES THAT REALLY MADE IT LOOK MORE VERTICAL.

AND THE OPENINGS, INSTEAD OF BEING 20 FEET WIDE ARE NOW EIGHT FEET WIDE OR 10 FEET WIDE, SO THEY APPEAR AS WINDOWS.

THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT THEY'VE DONE HERE.

UM, AND SO THAT GOES AN AWFULLY LONG WAY, I THINK.

SO THEN IT BECOMES, WELL, WHAT DO YOU DO IN THOSE OPENINGS? AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AT BRIDGE PARK.

WE'VE USED METAL PANELS, WE'VE, UH, WITH THE, LIKE PERFORATED METAL PANELS WE'VE USED, UM, IN FILL METAL WINDOW FRAMES, WHICH IS WHAT'S ON THE G BLOCK GARAGE.

UM, AND THEN IN OTHER AREAS, WE'VE, WE'VE KEPT IT SIMPLE.

SO I BELIEVE THE D BLOCK GARAGE ACTUALLY IS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS IN THAT WE'RE USING, UM, THE METAL CABLES AS THE PROTECTION FOR THE VEHICLES WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY PULL UP IN ORDER TO LEAVE IT AS OPEN AS POSSIBLE.

UM, I THINK THIS ONE ACCOMPLISHES, IT'S THE ONLY THING WE'RE NOT DOING HERE ARE THOSE INFILL METAL PANELS.

AND IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, THEN IT STARTS TO JUST LOOK LIKE A COPY OF THE GARAGE THAT IS LI LIKE LEGIT JUST ACROSS THE STREET.

AND THAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE RIGHT SOLUTION EITHER.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE MAKE THIS LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, WHICH IS WHY I KIND OF, I KIND OF LIKE THE DECONSTRUCTED CORNER BECAUSE I THINK IT, IT OPENS IT UP.

UM, I THINK IT'S, UM, IT'S UPON US TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONCRETE IS DONE CORRECTLY, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE FINISHED TO A CERTAIN LEVEL THERE IN ORDER FOR IT TO LOOK GOOD.

BUT IT DOES LOOK GOOD ON THE NORTH MARKET GARAGE AND THOSE, IF YOU GO AND, YEAH, YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND YOU'LL SEE EXACTLY WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S SUBTLE, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT PROVIDES A DEPTH TO THE FACADE THAT A LOT OF OUR OTHER ONES DON'T HAVE.

LOOKING BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT, SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS? MS. ROUSH STANDARD QUESTION.

ANOTHER CROWDED STREET, PERSONALLY.

MOVING ON TO DELIBERATIONS AND I'M NOT GONNA SPOIL, UH, GOOD THINGS.

SO MR. CHINNOCK, YOU'RE UP.

UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, OBVIOUSLY BEING HERE THIS LATE.

AND I, I, AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ALL REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

AND I, OR I'M SORRY, I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA OF IT.

AND I THINK THE, THE, THE PARK IS GREAT.

IT'S SUCH A REALLY NEAT IDEA.

IT'S A REALLY NEAT CONCEPT AND YOU OBVIOUSLY PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT, BUT I, WE KEEP GOING BACK TO THE ROAD WE GOT, WE GOTTA FIGURE IT OUT.

I, I MEAN, WE COULD USE COLLEGE CAMPUSES AS EXAMPLES.

THEY DO THIS ALL THE TIME WHERE THEY HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE BY SERVICE VEHICLES THAT AREN'T ACCESSIBLE FOR ANY OTHER PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

I, IT'S A SIMPLE MODEL.

I DON'T, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY IT'S THAT COMPLICATED TO COMPREHEND THAT.

SO I, I, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT BEING VERY, VERY LIMITED ACCESS.

AND AGAIN, JUST A WIDE SIDEWALK THAT TRASH AND SERVICE VEHICLES, UTILITY, WHOEVER CAN ACCESS IT, IT'S JUST NOT A THROUGH STREET.

'CAUSE I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THERE THAN, THAN, THAN WE THINK.

KNOWING HOW PEOPLE DRIVE AROUND BRIDGE PARK, I WOULD CUT THROUGH THERE.

IT DEVOID

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SO WE NEED TO PUT A LOT OF CONSIDERATION TO THAT.

AS FAR AS THE WAIVERS, I'M IN FAVOR OF SOMEONE, BUT I THINK THERE'S, TO ME, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS STILL ON THE TOWERS, THE TOWER HEIGHTS, SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ARTICULATION OF THE BUILDING AND THE FACADE MATERIALS THAT I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO, I DUNNO IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET PAST THAT, AND I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET PAST THAT TONIGHT.

'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON CERTAIN MATERIALS, CERTAIN COLORS AND CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING ON THE BUILDINGS.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF IT, I DO, I DO LIKE THE DESIGN OF THE OFFICE.

I LIKE THE SIMPLICITY OF IT.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD THINGS HAPPENING WITH ARCHITECTURE, BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, LOT OF FACADES THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE GONNA ALL WORK TOGETHER.

AGAIN, MATERIALS, HEIGHTS AND ALL THAT STUFF AS WELL.

BUT OVERALL IN FAVOR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHINNOCK, MS. HARDER, UH, THANK YOU.

UM, APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE AND, UH, BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

PEOPLE ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

UM, UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, YOUR COMMENTS AS WELL.

AND JUST TO ADD ONTO THAT, I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH THE COLOR.

IT'S BRINGING IN A WARM, UM, UH, FEELINGS AND SO FORTH, WHICH IS GOOD.

UM, AND JUST A LITTLE VARIATION TO THAT.

UH, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BRICK, AND IF YOU'RE GETTING STUCK, THEN I THINK YOU AND STAFF CAN HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO FIGURE OUT THAT AND BRING THAT BACK AND SEE IF, WHAT, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO WITH THAT AS WELL, TOO.

UM, AND THEN, UM, JUST WITH THE VEGETATION WITH ON THE GARAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND, UM, GOING IN THAT, THAT DIRECTION THERE.

UM, AND ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT THE WALKABILITY AND THE PEDESTRIANS.

'CAUSE WE'LL BE, UH, LOOKING AT THAT.

I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF THAT WHOLE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE ART.

AND THE MORE YOU CONNECT THE PUBLIC LIKE YOU'RE DOING, THE MORE EVERYONE'S GONNA BUY INTO THIS TO SEE IT AS A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.

SO, WHICH I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A NICE THING FOR SURE.

AND I, I THINK THAT YOU'RE DEFINITELY GETTING INTO THE PRIVATE AREAS AS WELL, TOO, UM, WHERE PEOPLE MAY, UH, IT'S GONNA TAKE THEM A WHILE TO GET TO A CERTAIN PLACE.

OH, AND I SHOULDN'T BE THERE, OR I HAVE ANOTHER WAY TO WALK.

UM, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE MOVING ON THAT, THAT, UM, THAT DIRECTION AS WELL TOO.

SO I APPRECIATE IT AND I THINK, UH, TONIGHT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THROUGH MANY THINGS.

THANK YOU, MS. HARDER MR. WAY.

UM, AGAIN, I, I LIKE MOST OF THIS PROJECT AND WHAT IT'S, IT'S DOING, UH, THE GREEN SPACE HAS REALLY BECOME VERY WONDERFUL.

AND I, BUT I THINK CITY COUNCIL STOLE MY ONE THING THAT, UM, I'M STILL STUCK ON.

AND, AND IT'S THIS EAST WEST KIND OF SPINE THAT MOVES THROUGH BRIDGE PARK AND ENDS HERE, BUT IT DOESN'T END.

THERE'S NO TERMINAL TO IT BECAUSE YOU GO FROM THE PUBLIC ENVIRONMENT TO A PRIVATE ENVIRONMENT, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE, GIVE YOU A CUE.

AND, AND THE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE STARTED TO CREATE THIS THING AT THE END OF THE GREEN SPACE, AND I'M LOOKING FOR IT TO BE A PLACE, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S A ROAD MOVING IN SOME SIDEWALKS, AND IT'S TRYING TO MAKE, IT'S TRYING TO BE A PLAZA OF SOME SORT, BUT IT'S GOT A ROAD MOVING THROUGH IT.

AND I THINK, UM, THE MAGIC IS GONNA BE IN MAKING THAT A PLACE, AND IT NEEDS SOME OTHER, IT NEEDS SOMETHING ELSE.

LIKE INSTEAD OF THE, THE TIERED, UM, WALLED GARDEN, MAYBE THERE'S A WATER FEATURE THERE THAT, THAT'S THE TERMINAL PIECE TO THIS.

THAT'S THE, THE THING THAT STARTS TO ANIMATE THIS AS A PLACE OR WILDLY, COULD YOU SPLIT THE ROAD AND PUT SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD THAT ACTUALLY BECAME A FOCAL POINT AT THE END OF THE SPACE.

AND AGAIN, IT WOULD SCALE DOWN THE STREET AT, AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE ALL THINKING ABOUT THIS GREEN STREET AND HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS AND, AND GETTING IT RIGHT.

I THINK THE, THE LOADING ISSUES NEED TO BE RESOLVED, AND I THINK THIS TERMINAL PLACE NEEDS TO BE REALLY THOUGHT THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE.

BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU, IT'S A GREAT DESIGN, BUT IT JUST HASN'T CREATED THAT PLACE YET.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I, YOU CAN NITPICK SOME OTHER THINGS ABOUT, I THINK GENERALLY THE, THE PROJECT'S GREAT.

I JUST THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A MAGIC HERE THAT COULD HAPPEN, UM, AT THAT PLACE.

THE LENGTH UP, THAT THAT ELEVATION IS SO HORIZONTAL THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DON'T WANNA SEE.

THANK YOU, MR WAY.

MR. ALEXANDER.

I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE ELEVATIONS BECAUSE I THINK IN AN URBAN SETTING, THE SITE PLAN IS REALLY IMPORTANT, BUT THE ELEVATIONS DEFINE THE SPACE, AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE SEE.

AND I THINK, AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE LAST PROJECT A LITTLE BIT, AND I THINK THE ELEVATIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

AND I THINK THAT SOUTH ELEVATION, I AGREE WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE OFFICE BUILDING NEEDS SOME HELP.

I THINK IT IS SO DIFFERENT FROM THE NORTH ELEVATION, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES IS LENGTH OF THAT BLOCK AND, AND INSTEAD OF BREAKING

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AND SO, AND THEN I LOOK AT THE WAY THE APARTMENT BUILDING IS DIVIDED VERY NICELY INTO A SERIES OF SMALLER SCALE VERTICAL COMPONENTS, BUT THEY BUILD FROM THE INDIVIDUAL UNIT TO A GROUPING OF THREE, TO A GROUPING OF SIX TO THEN LARGER GROUPINGS OF FIGURES ON THAT FACADE.

SO I THINK THAT THAT ELEVATION I THINK REALLY NEEDS A LOT, A LOT OF HELP.

UM, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE HPLI, I LOOKED INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT THIS AFTERNOON.

AND , MOST OF US INVOLVE A CONSTRUCTION OR SUSPICIOUS OF, IT'S A LAMINATE, SO YOU REMEMBER OLD PLASTIC LAMINATE COUNTERTOPS.

SO IT'S FIVE TO 15 YEAR WARRANTY ISSUES WITH IT ARE DELAMINATION COLOR FADING, HEAT SENSITIVITY, DIFFICULT TO REPAIR, AND THEY'RE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS DUE TO THE USE OF FORMALDEHYDE.

SO YOU'RE USING METAL PANELS ON THE OTHER BUILDING, WHICH I THINK IS AN EXCELLENT CHOICE.

THERE'S A LONG TRACK RECORD FOR THAT.

I MEAN, WHY NOT INCORPORATE THOSE HERE INSTEAD OF SORT OF EXPERIMENTING WITH THE NEW MATERIAL? SO I WOULD HAVE AN, AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

I AGREE WITH ALL THE OTHER, I, I LIKED KIM'S COMMENT THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER ABOUT THE STREET.

AND I, I THINK OF EUROPEAN SPACES WHERE YOU HAVE A LARGE PUBLIC SPACE, BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE THEY ACCOMMODATE VEHICLES THROUGH THAT.

AND I WAS DOODLING OVER THE SITE PLAN, AND I'M WONDERING, YOU COULD EVEN FORMALIZE AND THE LAY OF TREES ON BOTH SIDES, AND YOU CAN BRING AN ALLAY OF TREES ACROSS THE STREET, NO TREES WITHIN THAT AREA, AND THEN YOU BEGIN TO DEFINE A SPACE ACROSS THERE, AND MAYBE IT TERMINATES IN A, IN A FOUNTAIN THAT IS SOME WAY LINKED TO THE POOL ABOVE.

BUT I THOUGHT YOUR SUGGESTION AT THE LAST MEETING WAS, WAS REALLY A GOOD, A GOOD COMPROMISE TO ALLOW FOR ACCESS.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE HIERARCHY IS THE PEOPLE IN THE SPACE.

SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER.

MR. DESLER, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR THAD OR FOR YOU REBECCA, BUT JAMIE'S REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT'S COMMENTING ON IT.

WE, WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS IS, WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS TONIGHT.

SO IT'S, UNLESS WE'RE GONNA REJECT IT AND THEY GOTTA COME BACK, WHICH IS, WHICH IS FINE IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO WITH.

SO I WANNA BE CLEAR, YOU KNOW, WHERE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS ON SOME OF THIS STUFF, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE, IS THAT, THAT HELP ME OUT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT ON EVERY ONE OF THESE WAIVERS AND ALL THESE CONDITIONS.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN I HAVE LIKE A COUPLE MORE CONDITIONS I MIGHT ADD IN, JUST, BUT JUST IF WE'RE GONNA PROCEED FORWARD, BUT YES, WE WOULD WANNA ARTICULATE IN OUR DELIBERATION, WHICH ITEMS WE ARE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF.

WE CAN RETURN, IT'S LATE.

AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, ADDITIONALLY WE CAN ADD ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.

AND THEN FINALLY, MR. HUNTER, DUE TO THE LATE HOUR, IF YOU WANTED TO BRING BACK PRE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S ALWAYS, UH, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, IS THAT AN OPTION? OKAY, THAT'S AN OPTION.

OR A REQUEST FOR TABLE IS AN OPTION.

SO PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE OPTIONS ARE ON THE BOARD.

YOUR MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY NOT ON.

UM, TABLING WOULD BE, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY DISASTROUS FOR US, BUT FROM A SCHEDULE PERSPECTIVE, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT RIDING ON THE SUNNOVA LEASE.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT COMPLICATING FACTORS HERE.

WE'RE ALSO PRELIMINARY.

I, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING TONIGHT THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD TO, TO WORK THROUGH BETWEEN PRELIMINARY AND FINAL BEFORE.

RIGHT? I, I MEAN, WE, BRIDGE PARK HAS BEEN A, AN EXERCISE IN COOPERATION BETWEEN OUR TEAM AND STAFF AND THE, THE COMMISSION.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD WORK VERY, VERY HARD TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, HOWEVER WE NEED TO MOVE IT FORWARD.

THANK YOU, MR. THAT MAKES SENSE.

DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, FINE.

WELL, DIDN'T, BECAUSE I MEAN, JAMIE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT REJECTING SOME OF THE WAIVERS.

I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE'S GAME ON ALL CONDITIONS IN ALL WAIVERS, IS THAT FAIR? UH, WELL, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN NO, HAVEN'T TALKED TO ME YET, YET.

YOU HAVE TO HANG ON.

HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO ME YET.

YOU JUST ASKED THE QUESTION.

WELL, NO, BUT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TALKED, OH, OKAY.

I SAID I AGREE.

I AGREED WITH HIS SENTIMENTS.

AND WHICH MEANT THAT HE MENTIONED, I THINK IT WAS NUMBER THREE THAT, UM,

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OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

I, I THINK THIS IS MY TAKE.

I'LL JUST RUN DOWN THESE REAL QUICK ON GARY'S PIECE RELATIVE TO THE, UH, THE MATERIAL ON THE OFFICE BUILDING, I'M, I'M ALSO NOT IN FAVOR OF, BUT I THINK I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE WAIVERS ON THE GARAGE IN THE CONDO BUILDING WITH A CONDITION.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADD THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE, THE BRICK FACADE ASPECT.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE COLORING ON THOSE BUILDINGS AS WELL, SO LONG AS IT COMPLIES WITH THE MATERIAL REQUIREMENT.

SO I THINK I'M GOOD ON THE WAIVERS, ALMOST ALL OF THEM.

I DON'T MIND THE, UM, THE WALLS, THE HEIGHT, THE FACADES, THE NUMBER OF ENTRANCES ON THE OFFICE BUILDING.

I'M JUST RUNNING THROUGH THESE ON THE CONDO BUILDING.

UH, THE, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO ADD SOME, WE HAVE TO ADD SOME KIND OF CONDITION OR SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT RELATIVE TO THE BRICK PIECE THAT'S THE PENDING ONE THAT'S NOT LISTED IN THE CONDITIONS ALREADY IN THE GARAGE.

UH, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, I LIKE IT.

I LIKE EVERYTHING THAT'S, THAT'S IN IT.

IT'S UNIQUE AND I'M GLAD YOU MADE THE CONNECTIONS ON IT FOR THE OTHER CONDITIONS.

I THINK I MENTIONED THE ONE RELATIVE TO THE CONDO BUILDING.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING RELATIVE TO, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DEAL WITH THIS, THAT, THAT THE PHASE TWO PIECE.

SO I THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN THAT IF NOTHING IS DECIDED UPON AT THAT, AT THAT POINT, IT CAN'T JUST BE GRAVEL, IT CAN'T BE DIRT, IT CAN'T BE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS THAT ARE LEFT.

AND I KNOW THERE'S A TIMING ASPECT ABOUT WHEN YOU WANT TO BRING THAT BACK, POTENTIALLY MID-CONSTRUCTION.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PUT SOME CONDITION RELATIVE TO THE APPLICANT HAS TO WORK WITH STAFF ABOUT COMING UP WITH SOME SOLUTION TO MAKE IT WHERE YOU JUST THROWING SEED DOWN OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

I'M JUST ON THE WHIM COMING UP WITH SOMETHING.

UM, THE LAST COMPONENT, WHICH I DON'T THINK PRE PREVENTS YOU FROM MOVING FORWARD IS SOME KIND OF CONDITION WORKING WITH STAFF TO ADDRESS THE, UM, THE STREET.

SO LOOK, WE CAN KICK THE CAN DOWN, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A NO AT FINAL FOR ME.

IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT RESOLVED.

AND THAT'S FINE.

I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU MIGHT HAVE THE VOTES ANYWAY AND I CAN MEAN NOTHING BUT JUST, JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

THE LAST PIECE I DO WANT TO AGREE WITH GARY AS WELL IS IN THE ELEVATION, THE EL, THE TWO ELEVATIONS, THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATION ON THE, THAT OFFICE BUILDING.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MAYBE A CON ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH, WITH SOME ASPECT ON THAT.

UM, SO, OKAY.

I MAY HAVE CLARIFICATION FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL PERSPECTIVE OR A MATERIAL PERSPECTIVE.

WELL, THE MATERIALS WE'VE ALREADY, I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT WE NEED TO RE FIGURE OUT THE, UH, WHAT WAS IT, WHAT'S THE HPS? WHAT'S THE, UH, H-P-L-H-P-L? WAS THAT WHAT IT WAS, GARY? OKAY.

SO THAT ASPECT AND THEN THE ELEV, THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATION OF THE DESIGN PIECE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED OR THEY WORK WITH STAFF WHERE IT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE COMPONENTS ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE COMPARED TO THE SOUTH SIDE.

THANK YOU, MR. DE.

YEAH, MR. GARVIN.

THE, FOR ME, THE VISUAL OF THAT PARK'S, UM, EXPANSE UP TO THE POOL IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ACTUALLY GETTING TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT STREET.

UM, YEAH, I GUESS THE, THE ONE WAIVER I'VE GOT, THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THAT PRIMARY FACADE MATERIALS.

UM, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE COLORS, UH, ALSO INITIALLY NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE HPL.

UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE NEW BRICK, I, I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT WE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, UM, MATERIALS REVIEWER ON, ON RETAINER AND THEY'VE KIND OF DEFERRED TO US.

I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ANY EXPERTISE ON THOSE MATERIALS EITHER.

SO IT'S, IT'S HARD, UM, TO, TO GRANT A WAIVER FOR FACADE MATERIALS IF WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'D BE.

UM, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR I'M IN THE MINORITY ON THE THROUGH STREET.

I AM SUPPORTIVE OF IT CONNECTING ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

UM, BUT TO MR. WADE'S POINT, I THINK THAT, UH, WARNOCK, I THINK WE'VE CALLED IT BEFORE WHERE IT'S MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN FEEL WOUND OF IV, THANK YOU, UM, IS AN IDEA.

I THINK YOU'VE GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THOSE POPUP BALLAS THAT YOU COULD BRING OUT OF THE GROUND AT CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY.

UM, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS THERE.

UM, I KNOW IN CONTRAST TO MR. ER'S POINT, IT'S AN ODD THING TO SAY, BUT I'M, UM, I, I WOULD BE PRETTY AGAINST DEADHEADING EITHER SIDE OF THOSE, JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT CREATES A LOT OF LOGISTICAL ISSUES FOR THE VEHICLES THAT DO NEED TO GET IN AND OUT.

UM, AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK

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I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WHOLE LOT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC, UM, PAST WHERE THAT STREET IS.

UM, I THINK BY MAKING IT WALKABLE, YOU EXPAND IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT FOR ME, THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT IT VISUALLY CONNECTS.

AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT.

SO, UH, SUPPORTIVE, BUT LOOKING FOR RESOLUTION ON THE FACADE MATERIALS.

THANK YOU, MR. GARVIN.

UH, SO COMMENTS FROM ME.

UM, I THINK THE MIDWAY STREET MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR WHAT WE SET OUT FOR LOTS AND BLOCKS, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CITY COUNCIL WAS PAID SPECIFIC ATTENTION TO.

AND THIS COMMISSION IS PAID SPECIFIC ATTENTION TO.

UM, IN OUR DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL LIAISON, UH, THEY BROUGHT UP CIRCULATION.

WE NEED CIRCULATION IN THE BRIDGE PARK DISTRICT.

AND SO THAT IS CIRCULATION, NOT JUST FOR, UH, PEOPLE GOING, BUT ALSO FOR TRASH COLLECTION FOR DELIVERIES.

AND KEEPING THOSE OFF OF THE MAIN ARTERIALS IS THE PREFERRED METHOD.

UH, SO I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I AGREE WITH THE TERMINAL VISTA REQUIREMENT.

I THINK IT WAS MAYOR AROSE GROOMS WHO BROUGHT THAT UP DURING CITY COUNCIL.

UM, AND, AND I AGREE WITH MR. GARVIN THAT THIS KIND, ESPECIALLY WHERE IT'S A SOLID BUILDING BETWEEN THE, THE, UM, CONDOMINIUMS AND THE GARAGE, THAT THAT ESSENTIALLY CREATES A TERMINUS ON THAT SIDE.

SO THE, THE PEDESTRIAN CORRIDORS ARE GOING UP THERE FOR, FOR WHAT PURPOSE? THERE'S A POOL, THERE'S A FENCE, THERE'S MULTIPLE TIER, THERE'S AN ELEVATION CHANGE.

I, I DON'T SEE A, A LOT OF DRAW THERE.

AND SO I'M, I'M FINE.

I THINK YOU'VE MITIGATED THE SAFETY CONCERNS VERY WELL.

I THINK THAT THE CHANGE IN MATERIAL, THE CHANGING THE WAY THE STREETSCAPE LOOKS, I I THINK THAT THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED AS WELL AS IT CAN BE ADDRESSED.

AND WHILE WE WOULD ALL LIKE TO DELETE CARS, WELL, NOT ALL CARS OR HEADS ARE, UH, PATRONS, BUT, UM, WHERE WE WISH TRAFFIC WEREN'T AN ISSUE CAUSE A REALITY, AND WE CAN CREATE WALKABLE DISTRICTS, BUT WE STILL DRIVE, AND THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY TOMORROW.

UH, YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM ME FOR HOW MANY YEARS.

I'M NOT A FAN OF THIN BRICK.

IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE GARAGE VOIDS.

SO THE, TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE THE WALLS ARE GONNA FALL OUT.

AND SO THE, ESPECIALLY AT THE TOP LEVEL, SOMETHING THAT CONNECTS THOSE PANELS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS BIG VERTICAL PANEL WITH ALMOST NON APPARENT FROM ANY AMOUNT OF DISTANCE CORDS ACROSS.

AND I GET THEY, THEY COULD CATCH A CAR, BUT THEY LOOK LIKE THE WALL STOPPED AND THAT VERTICAL SPACE GOES ALL THE WAY UP.

SO I'M, I'M NOT A SUPER FAN OF THE WALLS.

UH, BUT OVERALL, I THINK THE DESIGN IS, UM, IS WHAT WE ASK FOR.

IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, MR. HUNTER, THIS HAS BEEN A, A INTERPLAY BETWEEN STAFF, THE COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL, AND YOURSELF AND YOUR TEAM FOR YEARS.

I SEE THIS AS A POTENTIAL BENEFIT.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE SIX STORIES, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE HEIGHT OF THE SIX STORIES IS THE HEIGHT OF WHAT WE WOULD SEE AT A FIVE AND A HALF STORY.

UH, EXCUSE ME, FIVE STORIES VERSUS FOUR AND A HALF STORIES.

AND I ALSO SHARE THE CONCERNS WITH, UH, THE NEW BRICK MATERIAL.

WE DON'T USUALLY LIKE NEW THINGS THAT WE CAN'T PROVE.

UH, WE CAN GET WARRANTIES, BUT WARRANTIES ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE COMPANIES WHO CAN SUPPORT THE WARRANTY IF SOMETHING GOES BAD.

AND EVEN IF WE WERE TO EN ENTERTAIN NEW MATERIAL, UH, I WOULDN'T WANNA LOOK AT AS A PRIMARY MATERIAL.

YOU MAYBE STEP INTO THINGS, YOU LOOK AT 'EM AT SEC SECONDARY MATERIALS, AND THEN IF THEY WITHSTAND ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA, THEN I WOULD LOOK TO ELEVATE.

UH, AND THEN THE HPL PANELS ALSO NOT, NOT SUPER KEEN ON.

SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT GIVES YOU THE LOOK THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, THAT COULD BE ENTERTAINED.

YOU USED THEM BEFORE WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN, WE'D LIKE TO SEE, OR I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.

AND THEN FINALLY, UM, YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD PARTNER TO THE CITY BEFORE AS YOU'VE, AS YOU'VE DEVELOPED DIFFERENT AREAS, YOU'VE BEEN RESPECTFUL OF YOUR NEIGHBORS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO I

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UNDERSTAND MR. ER'S CONCERNS ON MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING ONUS ON THAT.

BUT YOU ALSO KNOW THAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN DOESN'T EXEMPT PEOPLE FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT REQUIREMENTS JUST BECAUSE NEXT DOOR YOU'RE BUILDING A BUILDING.

SO I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

SO THOSE ARE MY OWN PERSONAL ITEMS. I WILL NOW LOOK AT, UH, THE CALL OUTS THAT I HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION.

THERE WAS A CONCERN WITH OFFICE BUILDING WAIVER TO PRIMARY FACADE MATERIALS.

UH, THERE WERE NO CONCERNS THAT I HEARD ON THE, UM, 4, 5, 6, OR SEVEN OF THE OFFICE BUILDING.

THE ONLY ONE THAT I WONDER IF IT'S TRANSLATED TO NUMBER THREE IS, UH, GARY ON THE OFFICE BUILDING NUMBER THREE CALLS FOR BLANK WALLS.

I WONDER IF THAT TRANSLATED TO SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ITEMS THAT YOU WERE CALLING FOR BEFORE.

WELL, I WANTED TO CLARIFY THE CLARIFICATION BOTH ON THAT AND ALSO THE HORIZONTAL FACADE DIVISION, UM, WAIVER THAT'S, THAT'S IDENTIFIED.

'CAUSE THE OFFICE, THE OFFICE BUILDING, UM, WE'RE WHERE THE, I, I'LL, I'LL TURN MY DRAWINGS AND MAYBE I CAN GET TO THEM FASTER THAN THAT.

WE CAN GET UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT I WANNA SEE WHERE, WHERE THE REVIEW AGAIN, WHERE THE, THE ISSUE WITH THE, THE BLANK, IS IT THE AMOUNT OF BLANK? IS IT THE PERCENTAGE? SO THIS ONE, THIS ONE FOR THE, THE BLANK WALL ON THE OFFICE IS ON THE NORTH FACADE ONLY.

SO IT'S NOT APPLICABLE TO THE SOUTH.

AND IT'S THE SECTION BETWEEN, I CAN, I'LL TRY AND HIGHLIGHT IT HERE.

THERE'S A SECTION BETWEEN THIS BUMP OUT.

I SEE, I SEE IN HERE.

SO IT'S MORE ABOUT THE MASSING, UH, IN ARTICULATION THAN IT IS THE MATERIALS.

UM, AND THEN, OKAY, THEN FOR THE HORIZONTAL, THAT'S JUST ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH, AND THAT'S AT THE, THE TOP OF THE GROUND FLOOR BASE OF THE SECOND STORY.

AND THERE'S A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT ABOUT, UM, WHERE THE GROUND, MAXIMUM GROUND FLOOR HEIGHT IS USED, REQUIRED WITHIN THREE FEET AT THE TOP OF THE GROUND STORY.

SO JUST SOME SORT OF DIS DISTINCTION.

YOU WERE, I KNEW YOU WERE DEALING WITH THAT HEIGHT ISSUE.

THEN, THEN I'M, I'M FINE WITH LEAVING THOSE TWO.

UM, OKAY, SO IN THE OFFICE BUILDING OF THE WAIVERS SPECIFICALLY, IT'S ONLY NUMBER TWO WITH THE HPL THAT THE COMMISSION IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF GETTING A STRAW POLL ON.

AND COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTION AS TO SOME OF THESE WAIVERS THAT MAYBE THERE'S UNANSWERED QUESTIONS ON? 'CAUSE IT, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE HPL JUST HAS MORE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAN BEING A DETERMINED YES OR NO AT THIS POINT.

IS THAT FAIR? I, I, I THINK THERE'S NOT SUPPORT FOR HPL, BUT THERE COULD BE SUPPORT FOR, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M MISSPEAKING THIS, THERE COULD BE SUPPORT FOR A SIMILAR LOOK IN A DIFFERENT MATERIAL THAT HAS MORE HISTORY.

THAT HAS SOME, YES.

I MEAN, MY, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT FOR THESE WAIVERS THAT AREN'T ADDRESSED TONIGHT, THEY ARE GONNA BE COMING BACK FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CAN REQUEST WAIVERS THEN PERHAPS WITH EITHER DIFFERENT MATERIAL OR DIFFERENT, UM, OR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHATEVER THE QUESTIONS ARE.

SO I THINK THAT JUST TABLING THOSE WAIVERS WHERE THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF OPEN QUESTIONS MIGHT BE ADVISABLE, AND THEN THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED THIS EVENING.

SO RULE OF ORDER, IF WE DELETE THOSE APPROVALS OF WAIVERS MM-HMM .

SO FOR INSTANCE, FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING, WE APPROVE WAIVERS THREE THROUGH SEVEN.

DO NOT APPROVE NUMBER TWO AS PART OF OUR APPROVAL.

THAT DOESN'T PROHIBIT THEM FROM IN FINAL DEVELOPMENT COMING BACK AND SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TWO ADDITIONAL WAIVERS.

AND THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE FINE.

I GUESS YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY TABLE THEM, JUST REMOVE THEM FROM THE APPROVAL AND THEN THE APPLICANT WOULDN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PAY A NEW APPLICATION FEE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR THE WAIVERS.

THEY WOULD JUST COME BACK WITH THE FDP.

PERFECT.

COVERED BY VERTICAL INCREMENTS? THE VERTICAL INCREMENTS, INCREMENTS IS MORE ABOUT MASSING AS WELL, AND NOT SPECIFIC TO MATERIALS.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

MOVING ON TO THE CONDO BUILDING, SPECIFICALLY THE WAIVERS, I HEARD NO OBJECTIONS TO, UH, ONE, UH, EXCUSE ME, EIGHT, NINE, AND 10 NOR 12.

UH, AND LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON 11 FOR VERTICAL, UH, INCREMENTS, WAS THERE SOME DISCUSSION ON ITEMS THAT COULD BE

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UM, SO IT'S JUST THE SPACE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A BREAK IN THE FACADE.

UNDERSTOOD.

BUT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON THE ELEVATIONS THEMSELVES.

SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS ISN'T COVERED IN THE CONCERNS WITH THE ELEVATIONS, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS PARTICULAR STAGE, WE ARE APPROVING MASSING.

SO IF SOMEONE HAS CONCERNS ON MASSING AND THEY RELATE TO VERTICAL IN INCREMENTS, WE WOULD WANNA CALL THAT OUT.

NOW AGAIN, I'M IN THE MINORITY HERE, SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT FURTHER THAN WE HAVE, SO I WOULD SUGGEST TAKING IT OUT, BUT I, I DON'T THINK I SHARE THE SAME VIEWS AS THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.

SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, I'M OKAY WITH TAKING IT OUT.

I'M, I'M OKAY EITHER WAY, IF THERE'S SOME MORE DISCUSSION FOR IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN DO THAT AT FDP.

SO, MR. HUNTER, IS THERE ENOUGH, UH, TAKEAWAY FROM DISCUSSION IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO TAKE OUT WAIVER NUMBER 11 FOR THE CONDO BUILDING FOR VERTICAL INCREMENTS THAT YOU WOULD, CAN I SEE IT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT? YEAH, WHAT DO WE HAVE THERE? I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH IT.

JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING OUT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE ENOUGH FOR IT.

I, I, I THINK THE ELEVATIONS ARE PRETTY GOOD MYSELF.

UM, I, I DO NOT HAVE FOUR, SO I RESCIND THE QUESTION.

SO I, UH, ALL WAIVERS ON CONDO BUILDING.

THE, THE COMMISSION IS, UH, TENTATIVELY ACCEPTING OF WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UNDERSTANDING WE'RE GONNA SEE THIS PACK PER FINAL.

MOVING ON TO THE GARAGE BUILDING, WE HAVE, UH, 13 THROUGH 18, IT APPEARS A TOWER, QUANTITY, HEIGHT, PRIMARY FACADE MATERIALS, NUMBER OF IN ENTRANCES, VERTICAL INCREMENTS AGAIN, AND TOWER LOCATIONS.

I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING FROM A WAIVER PERSPECTIVE WHERE ANYONE HAD ISSUES WITH THOSE.

SEEING NONE.

ALRIGHT, WE ARE OKAY WITH THOSE.

AND THEN FINALLY ONTO THE CONDITIONS.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA ASK, ARE THERE COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO, LET'S SEE.

UM, I, I BELIEVE, UM, MR. DESLER WILL ASK FOR YOUR OKAY ON THIS, GIVEN THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT COVERS ANY, UM, ISSUES THAT MIGHT HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NON DEVELOPED AREA.

ARE YOU OKAY THAT RIGHT.

AND THEN, UM, I PERSONALLY WOULD PROPOSE WORK WITH STAFF ON THE DESIGN OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING CITY COUNCIL'S COMMENTS FROM WHEN THEY SAW IT, SEEING NONE.

I THINK THAT'S REPRESENTED IN NUMBER OR IS INTENDED TO BE REPRESENTED IN WAS NUMBER SEVEN.

UH, THAT'S FACADE TREATMENT.

UM, THE, THE VERTICAL, WHETHER THAT'S FACADE OR NOT, TYING THE TOP TOGETHER WOULD BE MY PERSONAL, I'M ONE OF SEVEN, SO I ONLY GET ONE VOICE, BUT LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, YOU'RE OKAY WITH NUMBER SEVEN.

NOW, WHICH CONDITIONS DO WE NOT COVER THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN FOR THE BODY TO ADD AS FAR AS CONDITIONS GO MR WAY? I KNOW YOU HAD ONE, THE WINDER STREET, UM, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION WORK WITH STAFF TO EXPLORE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TERMINAL VISTA? NO, NO, THAT'S THE, JUST I LIKE THAT ONE.

THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING MM-HMM .

BUT THE TERMINAL VISTA IS, I DO WE HAVE, HAVE WE INCORPORATED THAT IN ONE NOW WITH STREET SCAPE DESIGN? UH, I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE THAT'S BRIDGE MORE SPECIFIC AVENUE.

WE HAVE THE TERMINAL VISTA IN THE PARK.

SO, YEAH.

UH, LET'S SEE.

AND, AND IT, IT, AND IT'S NOT JUST STREET SCAPE DESIGN ON THE GREEN STREET, IT WOULD BE THE SERVICE ISSUES, THE JUST, YOU KNOW, WORKING THROUGH THAT, THOSE DETAILS.

THAT RIGHT.

UM, THE, THE ONLY CALL OUT THOUGH IS IF IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE MASSING, THEN WE WOULD SEE IT AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT AND IT WOULD JUST BE PART OF THE RECORD FROM THIS MEETING AS INPUT INTO THOSE FINAL DEVELOPMENT ITEMS. WE, WE JUST HAD, WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT YES.

HOW TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, WHICH COULD AFFECT THE MASSING.

CORRECT, CORRECT.

BUT THAT'S ALRIGHT.

SO WE HAVE THE WINDER STREET PEDESTRIAN,

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I DON'T SEE ANOTHER, UM, CONDITION THAT EITHER OF THOSE COULD VERY EASILY DOVETAIL INTO.

I HAVE COMMENTS THAT ARE, SO THE COMMENTS THAT ARE LISTED ON THESE SLIDES ARE CAPTURED UNDER THAT CONDITION.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED GENERALLY ALIGNS WITH THESE COMMENTS.

THE TERMINAL VISTA WE TRIED TO CAPTURE WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THIS BUILDING.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING MORE, I CAN CERTAINLY ADD A CONDITION FOR THAT.

THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THE TERMINAL VISTA DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING.

IT CAN BE SOMETHING ELSE.

WELL HE'S WORKING ON THAT, UH, COMMISSION.

ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT READING THROUGH THE CONDITIONS ARE NOT CURRENTLY ENCAPSULATED BASED ON THE COMMISSION'S CONCERNS? MR. DESLER? I THINK WE NEED THE, THE CONDO FACADE BECAUSE THANK YOU.

THAT WAS THE ONE, THAT WAS THE BRICK PIECE.

THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED.

AND THEN, UH, CAN WE JUST AMEND SEVEN TO FACADE TREATMENT OF THE GARAGE AND CONDO? THE GARAGE HAS OUTLINED IN THE REPORT.

SIX IS CONDO.

OH.

UH, BUT THAT'S CONNECTION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL, NOT THE ACTUAL FACADE TREATMENTS.

WELL, SO WE HAVE THE, SO FIVE AND SEVEN TALK ABOUT THE FACADE TREATMENT OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

SO WHY WOULDN'T WE MAKE IT A NEW ONE? UM, WE COULD MAKE IT A NEW ONE OR WE COULD COMBINE ALL THREE.

WELL, I, I DON'T, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

WHATEVER'S EASIEST.

YEAH, I'LL DEFER TO THE PERSON TYPING.

DO WE NEED TO PUT ANYTHING RELATIVE, AND IT MAY BE ALREADY CAPTURED, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, BUT THE, THE COMMENTS RELATIVE TO THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE OFFICE BUILDING THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME WORK WITH STAFF TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE.

GARY, YOU WANNA FIVE FIVE MIGHT COVER THAT.

YEAH, I, AND I WOULD SAY AS OUTLINED IN THE REPORT AND DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSION.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IN EACH OF THOSE, YEAH, THAT'S PART OF OUR, THE REPORT IS TALKING ABOUT THAT SOUTH ELEVATION AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF.

DON'T WANNA GO FORWARD WITH FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN UNLESS WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET A YES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, EVERYTHING PULLS TOGETHER.

IS IT, IS IT CAPTURED HERE THAT APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THE, THE GREEN STREET INTEGRATION PIECE? IS THAT CAPTURED ON HERE? IS THAT COVERED UNDER ONE? I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

STREETSCAPE.

? I THINK SO.

I THINK SO.

SO STREETSCAPE DESIGN OF BRIDGE PARK AVENUE AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND GREEN AND GREEN STREET.

SO IT'S BEEN AMENDED HERE ON OUR SCREEN.

WE GIVE YOU A PASS.

ANY OTHER ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION AND MR. HUNTER? UM, I, I, IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT, SO IF WE HAVEN'T COVERED ANYTHING, BUT YOU HEARD US TALK ABOUT IT, EXPECT THAT WE'LL BRING IT BACK UP AT THE NEXT MEETING, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T PUT IT AS SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.

WE HAVEN'T ENTERTAINED A MOTION YET.

BUT I, THERE WAS ONE THING IF I MAY, THAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SPECIFICALLY IN, IN ANY OF THE CONDITIONS, BUT GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION AROUND BERG, THE REASON WHY I WANNA BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE IF WE CAN'T USE THIN BRICK OR NEW BRICK, THEN THE ELEVATIONS AS DRAWN THAT I THINK PEOPLE GENERALLY LIKED FOR THAT CONDO BUILDING CANNOT BE BUILT.

UM, BECAUSE WE CAN'T PUT FULL DEPTH BRICK UP THAT HIGH ON A WOOD FRAME STRUCTURE, UH, WITHOUT, WITHOUT IN, UH, PUTTING A BUNCH OF STEEL INSIDE THE BUILDING.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THE ONLY BUILDING WE'VE EVER DONE THAT IN WAS THE WARREN AT BRIDGE PARK, AND IT'S THE ONE THAT LEAKS THE MOST, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S REALLY, REALLY HARD TO DETAIL.

SO WE HAVE PROBABLY AT LEAST EIGHT BUILDINGS AT BRIDGE PARK, VIRTUALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THAT USE THIN BRICK IN SOME CAPACITY, I THINK PRETTY SUCCESSFULLY.

SO I MEAN, WE HAVE TO REDESIGN THAT BUILDING IF, IF, IF, IF THAT IS GONNA BE A NO.

SO I, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND THEN I'LL OPEN UP UP TO THE COMMISSION.

SINCE I SPOKE TO THE THIN BRICK WITH THE HISTORY, WE HAVE APPROVED THIS IN THE PAST.

IF YOU BRING FORWARD, WHEN WE HAVE APPROVED THIS IN THE PAST WITH THE, JUST, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A NEW COMMISSION, THREE NEW MEMBERS OVER HERE.

AND SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE HESITATION AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, HEY, WE, WE

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SO IF IF IT COMES BACK AND THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, FIVE NEW THINGS, THEN IT'S A NEW PRESENTATION.

AND SO I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND SAY I'VE BEEN ONE WHO'S VOTED YES.

I STILL DON'T LIKE THIN BRICK.

SO LOOKING BACK TO THE COMMISSION, WE ARE NOT ASKED ON THE MATERIAL THIS EVENING.

THAT'S A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THOSE ARE THE LEGO BLOCKS.

WE ARE AT DUPLO BLOCKS, BUT UNDERSTANDING THE, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR JUST KIND OF A PULSE CHECK ON THE THIN BRICK.

MY TOP CONCERN IS WITH THE HPL, UM, AND THEN NOT FEELING QUALIFIED FOR THE NEW BRICK TO MAKE A DETERMINATION, UM, OBVIOUSLY BE VERY IMPORTANT WITHIN BRICK THAT BE INSTALLED CORRECTLY.

UM, BUT IT'S LESS OF A HANGUP FOR ME.

ON THE, ON THE THIN BRICK PIECE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S ONLY, IT'S NOT THE PRIMARY FACADE COMPONENT, IS IT? IT'S ONLY AT THE, IS IT ONLY AT THE TOP CONDO BUILDING? SORRY, PER PERCENTAGE? TWICE THE THIN BRICK FOR WHAT'S THE, YEAH, WHAT'S THE PERCENT IT'S ON THE PLANS, BUT IT'S USED ONLY SECOND STORY AND ABOVE.

SO EVERYTHING AT THE AT GROUND LEVEL THAT YOU'LL SEE IS MASONRY.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THIS IS BEING IMPLIED, BUT I CAN TRY AND FIND WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT, SIR.

UH, I SEE HERE BRICK NORTH FACADE AND I'M ON THE OFFICE.

UH, BRICK IS 72, 93 SQUARE FEET IS A PRIMARY MATERIAL.

UH, PRIMARY RE REQUIRED IS 80, 72 0.8 IS PROVIDED.

AND SO YES, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S PRIMARY MATERIAL IF WE'RE LOOKING, WHERE AM I OFFICE? YEAH, SO I WAS ON, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S JUST THE CONDO BUILDING.

LET'S SEE.

YEAH, IT LOOKS HERE.

THE THIN BRICK IS 36%, IS THAT RIGHT? AM I SEEING THAT ON? YEAH, THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT SOUNDS RIGHT.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BRICK BASE AT 30% AND THEN THE METAL, IS IT 33? YEP.

37.69.

I MEAN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR OUTSIDE CONSULTANT SAY ABOUT THE THIN BRICK? I MEAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE HIM LOOK AT THIS AT THE THIN BRICK SPECIFICALLY.

UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

YEAH, WE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

OKAY, THANKS.

AND WE CAN PROBABLY DUST OFF OF PREVIOUS THIN BRICK CONSULTATION.

ALRIGHT, BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY DISPLAYED? WE WENT THROUGH EACH OF THE WAIVERS.

WE DELETED NUMBER TWO ON OFFICE BUILDING.

CORRECT, ZACH? UH, ALL OF THE OTHER WAIVERS, UM, PASSED MUSTER AND WE ADDED CONDITIONS.

SO I GIVE EVERYONE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE.

UH, THE ONLY ONE, I KNOW IT'S PEDANTIC, BUT ON NUMBER SEVEN, UM, CAN YOU CLARIFY AGAIN, AS OUTLINED IN THE REPORT, REFERS ALSO TO COMMISSION DISCUSSION ALREADY OR OTHERWISE? DO WE NEED TO ADD IT? ZACH, CAN YOU TAKE THE PLURAL OFF OF VISTA'S BECAUSE THE OPPORTUNITIES IS THE PLURAL, IT'S TERMINAL VISTA OPPORTUNITIES.

I'M GONNA BE THE YES, THAT'S, THAT'S MY JOB, RIGHT? VISTA .

LANCE IS NOT HERE.

SO I GAVE HIM THE KEEPER OF THE COMMA.

THAT WASN'T A COMMA, BUT IT WAS AN EXTRA, UH, OH, OKAY.

LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW THE ITEMS AS PREPARED BY STAFF.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. HUNTER, ARE THE UPDATES ACCEPTABLE AT THIS PHASE? YES, THEY ARE.

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND WE WILL DO THESE AS SEPARATE ACTIONS.

SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, INCLUDING 17.

IS THAT WHERE WE ENDED UP WAIVERS?

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I MOVE AND, UH, IF, IF I APOLOGIZE, I NO PUBLIC COMMENT, CORRECT.

MR. DESLER? YEAH, I'LL MOVE ON THE MOTION.

THANK YOU MR. SECOND.

THANK YOU MR. WAY.

I HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION.

WE ARE JUST APPROVING THE WAIVERS AT THIS POINT.

SO THIS IS APPROVAL OF 17 WAIVERS GOTCHA.

WITH THE EXCLUSION OF NUMBER TWO, RIGHT? WELL, 17 IS EXCLUSIVE OF NUMBER TWO.

I DIDN'T COUNT 'EM, THAT WAS THE INTENT.

IT WAS JUST THE WAIVERS.

JUST THE WAIVERS.

I HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND A SECOND.

MS. MAXWELL.

THANK YOU MR. GARVIN.

THANK YOU MS. MAXWELL.

I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE PRE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND PARKING PLAN WITH THE CONDITIONS AS LISTED.

THANK YOU, MR. GARVIN.

AND FINALLY, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE WITH A SINGLE CONDITION.

SO APPRO.

THANK YOU, MR. WE, I'LL, I'LL SECOND.

IS THAT MR. DESLER? YES.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALTHOUGH IT ISN'T THE, THE LATEST I'VE GONE, IT'S PRETTY DARN CLOSE.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE THIS EVENING.

WE CERTAINLY, UH, APPRECIATE IT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK NEXT TIME.

WE HAVE A REALLY LONG REPORT TO GIVE.

NOW

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NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.

I, I HAVE TWO.

YOU'RE FIRED.

I HAVE TO DATE RELATED THINGS.

SO OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 15TH IS CANCELED.

UM, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THINGS THAT ARE QUITE READY YET.

SO, UM, AND THEN JUNE 2ND IS THE ANNUAL BOARD AND COMMISSION RECOGNITION.

SO THAT'S AT CITY HALL, UM, BEFORE COUNCIL MEETING.

SO THAT'S A MONDAY, JUNE THE SECOND TO KEEP ON YOUR CALENDAR AT SIX O'CLOCK.

I DID HANDOUT DATES TO VERIFY PEOPLE'S ATTENDANCE MOVING FORWARD, BUT WE CAN TABLE THAT ISSUE FOR ANOTHER MEETING IF YOU WISH.

WE'LL DO THAT.

WE'LL REVISIT NEXT TIME.

OKAY? YES.

PLEASE.

ALRIGHT, SO PLEASE, UH, COMMISSION IF YOU COULD CONSULT YOUR SCHEDULES.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE DATES NEXT, UH, NEXT MEETING, WHICH SHOULD BE JUNE THE FIFTH.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

MEETING ADJOURNED AND I DIDN'T EVEN GIVE YOU MY GAVEL.