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          GOOD EVENING 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO PARTICIPATION THIS EVENING. 
          UH, YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON HERE AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, AND WE CERTAINLY WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION THROUGHOUT OUR CASES AT THIS TIME. 
          IF YOU WILL ALL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          THANK YOU, MS. BEAL. 
          I'LL COME BACK. 
          I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU TO CALL OUR ROLE. 
          ALRIGHT, MS. CALL HERE. 
          MR. ALEXANDER. 
          HERE. 
          MR. GARBIN. 
          HERE. 
          MR. DESLER. 
          HERE. 
          MR. OCK. 
          HERE. 
          MS. HARDER HERE. 
          AND MR. WAY IS EXCUSED. 
          THANK YOU, MS. BEAL. 
          UH, AT THIS TIME 
          [ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE ME MEETING MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 6TH MEETING. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. DESLER. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. 
          MS. BEO. 
          MR. CHINOOK? YES. 
          MS. HARDER? YES. 
          MR. DESLER? YES. 
          MR. GARBIN? YES. 
          MR. ALEXANDER? YES. 
          MS. CALL? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN PLANNING A PROPERTY AND REZONING ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION. 
          IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          IN OTHER CASES, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY. 
          THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE, UM, INTRODUCED IS THE WORD WE USE. 
          AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS FOR THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION. 
          THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND OF STAFF. 
          FOLLOWING THOSE QUESTIONS, WE WILL INVITE THE PUBLIC FORWARD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THE COMMISSION DELIBERATES ON EACH CASE. 
          ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          UH, WE WILL GO THROUGH THESE PROCEDURES AGAIN CLOSER, BUT PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE LIGHT IS ON, ON YOUR MICROPHONE AS YOU SEE ON MINE. 
          AND WE DO REQUEST THAT EACH PERSON LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. 
          FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, WE DO ASK THAT YOU PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SIDE COMMENTS. 
          THE ACOUSTICS IN THIS ROOM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CEILING IS VERY HIGH. 
          THE ACOUSTICS MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S VERY HARD FOR US TO HEAR THE SPEAKER AND EACH OTHER IF THERE ARE SIDE CONVERSATIONS GOING ON. 
          WE DO HAVE THE GALLERY HERE, BUT SOUND CARRIES. 
          SO IF YOU NEED TO HAVE HAVE SIDE CONVERSATIONS, WE DO ASK THAT YOU HEAD TOWARD THE ENTRANCE. 
          UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC PROCESS IS FAIR AND THAT WE ENSURE THAT EVERYONE IS EQUALLY HEARD. 
          UH, THERE, WE, WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS CLARIFICATION ON WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED ON THE AGENDA ITEMS THIS EVENING, THERE IS A CASE, AND I'M GONNA GET THE CASE NUMBER SO THAT I QUOTE IT RIGHT. 
          UH, THE AVERY CROSSING PLAN IS CASE 25 DASH 0 1 4 CP. 
          THIS ONE WE WILL TALK THROUGH IN A MOMENT, BUT IT IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT COMPRISED OF BOTH RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND SOME OPEN SPACE. 
          IT'S 127 ACRES AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF RINGS ROAD AND AVERY ROAD INTERSECTION. 
          THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN. 
          YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO PARTICIPATE IN ALL STAGES OF THE PROCESS, BUT NO REZONING, NO RECOMMENDATION. 
          THIS BODY DOESN'T REZONE. 
          BUT, UH, NO RECOMMENDATION FOR THE REZONING IS TAKING PLACE TODAY. 
          WE ARE REVIEWING IT AS A CONCEPT PLAN. 
          FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE ATTENDED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS, WHERE I'VE CHAIRED A MEETING BEFORE, THIS IS WHAT I LIKE TO REFER TO AS THE CRAYONS ON PAPER STAGE. 
          WE LOOK AT AN APPLICATION, IT'S KIND OF CRAYONS ON PAPER. 
          WE BUMP IT UP NEXT TO OUR CONCEPT PLAN AND OUR OTHER DOCUMENTATION TO SEE IF IT PASSES WHAT THE CITY HAS PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. 
          WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD IN OUR AGENDA. 
          WE DO HAVE ONE COMMISSION MEMBER WHO'S ASKED TO BE RECUSED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE WILL SWEAR IN. 
          SO ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, ON ANY OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. 
          IF YOU EVEN THINK YOU MIGHT MAKE COMMENT, IT, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. 
          DO YOU SWEAR 
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OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU, MR. TESLER. 
          [Case #25-014CP ]
I WILL EXCUSE YOU AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO CONSENT AG AGENDA. 
          ELIGIBLE ITEMS, THERE ARE TWO CASES ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING. 
          THESE ARE CASES 25 DASH 0 29 A FTP, DUBLIN SCIOTO HIGH SCHOOL, AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CASE 25 DASH ZERO THREE A FDP DUBLIN JEROME HIGH SCHOOL AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          DOES ANYONE FROM THE COMMISSION WISH TO HAVE THESE CASES REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          SO MOVED. 
          THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDRA. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. GARVIN. 
          MS. BEAL, MS. HARDER? YE YES. 
          MR. CHINOOK? YES. 
          MR. GARBIN? YES. 
          MR. ALEXANDER? YES. 
          MS. CALL? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MS. BEAL, COULD YOU PLEASE AND FOR CLARIFICATION, ANYTIME ANY COMMISSION MEMBER THINKS THAT THERE MIGHT BE ANY IMPROPRIETY, ANY REASON WHY HE OR SHE SHOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN DELIBERATION? THEY ARE, THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO RECUSE THEMSELVES. 
          SO AS AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, YOU WILL SEE COMMISSION MEMBERS OCCASIONALLY DO THAT. 
          HE DIDN'T EXPECT US TO BE THAT PASSED. 
          OUR NEXT CASE IS CASE 25 DASH ZERO FOUR CP. 
          THIS IS AVERY CROSSING CONCEPT PLAN. 
          UH, THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT COMPRISED OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND OPEN SPACE. 
          THE 127 ACRE SITE IS ZONED RURAL AND LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE RINGS ROAD AND AVERY ROAD INTERSECTION. 
          WELCOME THIS EVENING. 
          YOUR MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY NOT LIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR CASE PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COLBY TURNOCK WITH CASTO TWO 50 CIVIC CENTER DRIVE, COLUMBUS 4 3 2 1 5. 
          UM, I WANTED TO GIVE A, A QUICK INTRODUCTION BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO OUR DESIGN TEAM. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE SINCE WE'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU, AND SO JUST KIND OF WANNA GIVE SOME CONTEXT ON, ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, UH, UH, WITH THIS PLAN, UH, SINCE MY COLLEAGUES ACTUALLY WERE HERE LAST TIME, UM, BEFORE YOU WITH AN INFORMAL PLAN. 
          UM, HAD SOME GREAT FEEDBACK ON THAT PLAN. 
          UM, ALSO HAVE MET WITH THE, THE PONDEROSA ASSOCIATION, KRAMER CROSSING REPRESENTATIVES AND SOME REPRESENTATIVES ON THE EAST SIDE OF AVERY ROAD. 
          GOT SOME FEEDBACK, UH, SOME CONCERNS, SOME QUESTIONS, AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING LAST YEAR PLUS REVISING THE PLAN, UM, WORKING WITH CITY STAFF. 
          ONE OF THE BIG ELEMENTS THAT YOU'LL SEE IS THE, THE ALIGNMENT OF THE NEW TUNNEL CROSSING BOULEVARD EXTENSION. 
          UM, SO THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH STAFF, A LOT OF GOOD INPUT, A LOT OF GOOD BACK AND FORTH, AND I THINK WE'VE LANDED ON A, ON A, UM, ALIGNMENT THAT IT IS, UM, MEETS THE, THE, UH, GOAL SET UP BY THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND ALSO KIND OF HELPS ENHANCE THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE. 
          UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA GO TO THE SITE PLAN, RUN THROUGH SOME, SOME ITEMS THAT WE ADDRESSED SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO TED SINGER WITH BENNETT ARCHITECTS TO WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE DESIGN RELATED ITEMS FOR EACH COMPONENT. 
          SO THIS IS THE REVISED SITE PLAN THAT TED WILL BE WALKING THROUGH IN, IN, IN MORE DETAIL. 
          UM, AGAIN, AS, AS CHAIR CALL MENTIONED, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND REALLY THE, THE, WE'RE STILL KIND OF IN THAT FACT FINDING, UH, STATE OF THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW, UM, HAVE ALREADY HAD SOME GOOD FEEDBACK THROUGH THE INFORMAL PROCESS AND, AND A SERIES OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS. 
          CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, MORE TO COME AFTER THAT AND LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING MORE FEEDBACK BASED ON THIS REVISED PLAN. 
          UM, I, I THINK THE BIG THING, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, IS THE RELOCATION OR THE EXTENSION OF, UH, TUNNEL CROSSING BOULEVARD. 
          AND THIS PLAN, IT'S, UM, BEFORE IT WAS A, A MORE OF A GRID, TRUE GRID, UM, 
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RECTAL LINEAR KIND OF LAYOUT. 
          THIS REALLY KIND OF EMPHASIZES THE CURVE LINEAL NATURE, UM, THAT'S MORE COMMON IN THIS AREA IN DUBLIN AND, AND IS RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEEDED TO ESTABLISH, UM, WORKING WITH STAFF AND SO THAT WE KNEW KIND OF WHAT WAS LEFT, UH, TO WORK WITH. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE, WE LOOKED AT THE OPEN SPACE LAST TIME, UM, I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE PERIPHERY OF THE PLAN GREENWAYS. 
          UH, SO WE LOOKED AT HOW WE CAN KIND OF INCORPORATE IT INTO THE, THE CENTRAL COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN, UM, AND KIND OF, UM, WORK IN SOME REVISED STORM WATER LAYOUTS INTO THAT OPEN SPACE. 
          UM, AND SO THEN THAT STARTED TO CREATE THE FRAMEWORK FOR, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND AS YOU'LL SEE, AS TED WALKS THROUGH IT, WE HAVE A MUCH MORE KIND OF CURVED, LINEAR, YOU KNOW, QUASI GRID SYSTEM. 
          THEN THE, THE TRUE RECTAL LINEAR GOOD SYSTEM THAT WE, THAT WAS PRESENTED LAST TIME. 
          UM, SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE ADDRESS WITH THE, THE MIXED USE ALONG AVERY ROAD. 
          UM, THERE WERE SOME, SOME CONNECTION POINTS, SOME AC VOLUME WE CAN'T HEAR. 
          THERE, THERE WERE SOME ACCESS POINTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN INCREASE THE VOLUME. 
          YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IF YOU CAN GOT IT, GET CLOSER OR, OR SPEAK LOUDER INTO THE MICROPHONE, THE VOLUME. 
          GOT IT. 
          KIND OF IS WHAT IT IS. 
          UM, SO ON THE AVERY ROAD, UH, MIXED USE, UM, THERE, THERE WERE SOME CONNECTION POINTS WITH THE EXISTING PONDEROSA COMMUNITY THAT WERE ELIMINATED. 
          THERE WAS AN ACCESS FROM THE EXISTING COMMUNITY TO THE PROPOSED EXTENSION OF TELE CROSSING BOULEVARD THAT WAS REMOVED. 
          UM, THERE, THERE IS STILL AN, UH, PROPOSED CONNECTION TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHICH IS MAYBE MORE OF A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN BE FURTHER EXPLORED MORE THAN, MORE THAN ANYTHING. 
          UM, SOME OF THE USES, UH, THAT HAVE KIND OF EVOLVED SINCE THE LAST TIME ARE THE, THE USES IN WHAT IS SUB AREA ONE, WHICH IS ALL THE YELLOW, UH, TO THE LEFT, TO THE WEST OF THE EXISTING PONDEROSA COMMUNITY. 
          UM, BEFORE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS ZERO LOT LINE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          UH, AND NOW WE'RE PROPOSING A, A, UH, THREE DIFFERENT, UM, PRODUCT TYPES, UH, TO, TO OFFER A VARIETY OF HOUSING OPTIONS. 
          AGAIN, ANOTHER GOAL IN, IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          SO WE, WE MAINTAIN THE, THE RURAL CHARACTER ALONG, UH, RINGS ROAD WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND THEN KIND OF TRANSITION TO A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE TOWN HOME ATTACHED TOWN HOME PRODUCT. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME TRIPLEXES ALONG, UH, THE TU CROSSING BOULEVARD PORTION. 
          THE MULTIFAMILY, THE MOST DENSE PORTION OF THE PROJECT, UM, IS TO THE SOUTH OF BUDDING, UM, UH, EXISTING MULTIFAMILY. 
          AGAIN, KIND OF TRANSITIONING THAT DENSITY, UH, AS WE GO TO THE SOUTH. 
          UM, THE BIG CHANGE THERE IS THAT WE HEARD, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE TOO MUCH DENSITY DOWN THERE. 
          WE REDUCED THE BUILDINGS TO, UH, SMALLER FOOTPRINTS AND REMOVED A FLOOR. 
          SO THOSE WERE THREE STORY BUILDINGS NOW WITH SMALLER FOOTPRINTS. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO. 
          UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MANEUVERING. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR, YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE USES, THE, THE THOROUGH THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UH, THE, THE THE STREET NETWORK. 
          UM, AND I'LL LET TED WALK THROUGH, UH, EACH COMPONENT OF THE PLAN A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE DETAIL, BUT LOOKING FORWARD TO FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS TED SAN. 
          I'M WITH DIT ARCHITECTS. 
          OUR ADDRESS IS 1 4 7 2 5 DETROIT ROAD, LAKEWOOD, OHIO, 4 4 1 0 7. 
          UH, THANKS EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT TO, TO REVIEW OUR PROJECT AND, AND TO DISCUSS AND, AND LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          UH, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH A LIST OF, UH, SLIDES IN FAIRLY BRIEF, UH, SECESSION TO TRY AND, UH, FOCUS THE, THE FEEDBACK ON, UH, QUESTIONS AND, AND COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. 
          SO THIS IS THE INITIAL ROAD, UH, STREET TYPOLOGY LAYOUT BASED ON, UH, THE, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES BY, UH, DUBLIN PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO, UH, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE ARTERIAL AS THE, UH, EXTENSION OF TUTTLE, UH, AND THEN SOME NEIGHBORHOOD BOULEVARDS, UH, THAT CONNECT TO EXISTING, UH, ROAD NETWORKS OUT BEYOND THE BOARD BORDER OF THE SITE. 
          AND THEN, UH, SMALLER, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD BOULEVARDS AND PRIVATE DRIVES, UH, THAT ALLOW FOR, UH, VEHICULAR ACCESS WITHOUT HAVING, UH, A MULTITUDE OF, UH, GARAGE FRONTING PROPERTIES. 
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SO THIS IS THE SORT OF HIGHLIGHTED CONCEPTUAL, UH, OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK. 
          AND AFTER THE, THE ALIGNMENT OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD WAS KIND OF SETTLED UPON AND, AND THE USES AS, AS COLBY DESCRIBED. 
          UH, IN TERMS OF THE DENSITIES, UH, IN RELATION TO THE ADJACENCIES OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, UH, WE LOOKED FOR VARIOUS WAYS IN WHICH WE COULD DISTRIBUTE, UH, OPEN SPACE, UH, AROUND THE SITE, UH, TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, BUFFERS BETWEEN EXISTING COMMUNITIES TO CREATE, UH, CENTRAL GATHERING SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PRACTICES AND TO CREATE SORT OF LARGER SCALE OUTDOOR SPACES, UH, ESPECIALLY TO THE, UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER, UH, ADJACENT TO THAT SORT OF EXISTING, UH, FORESTED PARCEL TO THE SOUTH. 
          UH, AND AS A, A TOTAL, WE'RE AROUND 24, UH, PLUS ACRES OF OPEN SPACE DISTRIBUTED AROUND, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT SITE. 
          SO THESE, UH, OPEN SPACES ARE SORT OF CATEGORIZED IN, IN SORT OF FOUR MAIN, UM, TYPOLOGIES. 
          UH, WE HAVE SORT OF COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES, UH, FOR, UH, BOTH THE MIXED USE SITE, THE MORE DENSE, UH, SITE TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN A, A MORE CENTRAL GATHERING SPACE FOR THE MORE RESIDENTIAL SCALE, UH, SMALLER SCALE HOMES. 
          UH, ON THE NORTH, UH, SIDE OF THE EXTENSION, UH, WE HAVE STORMWATER GARDENS DISTRIBUTED AS BUFFERS AND AS, UH, YOU KNOW, ACTIVE, UH, NATURAL LANDSCAPES TO, UH, CREATE ZONES AND ALSO TO MANAGE, UH, STORMWATER EFFECTIVELY. 
          UH, WE HAVE NATURAL LANDSCAPE AS SORT OF EDGE CONDITIONS AND IN THE, UH, SORT OF MEDIAN OF THE TU EXTENSION. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE LARGER SORT OF OUTDOOR RECREATION SPACE, UH, WHERE, UH, PEOPLE CAN GATHER AND, AND HAVE ACTIVITIES AND CONNECT TO, UH, NATURAL LANDSCAPES TO THE SOUTH. 
          SO THE CENTRAL LAWN IS THE, IS THE AREA IN, IN THE MORE RESIDENTIAL, UH, NORTHERN PORTION, UH, WHICH IS INTENDED TO CREATE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS, UH, HOUSING TYPOLOGIES AND, AND CAN ACCOMMODATE, UH, VARIOUS SMALLER, UH, FORMAL AND INFORMAL GATHERINGS. 
          UM, AS, AS THE COMMUNITY SEES FIT. 
          UH, STORMWATER GARDENS ARE A COMPONENT THAT ARE BOTH FUNCTIONAL AND ALSO, UH, SERVE TO CREATE, UH, NATURAL LANDSCAPES AND, AND, AND BUFFERS, UH, ESPECIALLY, UH, TO THE, UH, WEST OF THE EXISTING PONDEROSA COMMUNITY. 
          UH, AND BETWEEN, UH, THE NEW TUTTLE EXTENSION AND, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY TO THE NORTH, UH, NATIVE LANDSCAPES AND BUFFER ZONES ARE, YOU ARE UTILIZED, UH, IN DIFFERENT WAYS TO CREATE EDGES TO UN OR LESS DEVELOPED AREAS TO THE WEST, AND ALSO, UH, DISTRIBUTED AMONGST THE, UH, EX AVERY CROSSING EXTENSION AND CAN HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT, UH, CON, UH, FUNCTIONS, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, GARDENS OR, UH, NATURAL, UH, LANDSCAPE, UM, FOR BIODIVERSITY. 
          AND, AND THEN RECREATIONAL FIELDS, AGAIN, WE, WE HAVE A LARGER, UH, PARCEL OR A LARGER SECTION OF THE, OF PARCEL ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, UH, WHICH COULD BE USED FOR A, A SORT OF LARGER SCALE, UM, COMMUNAL RECREATIONAL SPACES AND A POTENTIAL TO, IF THERE WERE A TRAIL OR SOME SOMETHING TO THE SOUTH, UH, YOU COULD MAKE A TRAIL PAVILION CONNECTOR. 
          AND THEN ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER, WE HAVE THE MORE MIXED USE ZONE WITH SOME COMMERCIAL USES AND, UH, SOME, SOME DIFFERENT SORT OF LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS, UH, THAT ARE MORE PUBLIC IN NATURE. 
          SO THERE COULD BE, UH, PORTIONS THAT ARE, UH, PROGRAMMED TO WORK WITH, 
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UH, AND SUPPLEMENT THE COMMERCIAL USES FOR THINGS LIKE, UH, FARMER'S MARKETS AND, AND OUTDOOR GATHERING SPACES. 
          UH, THERE IS THE, THE NORTH EAST CORNER, WHICH IS KIND OF THE ENTRANCE POINT OR THE ARRIVAL TO THE, THE SITE IN GENERAL THAT COULD, UH, SERVE FOR, UH, LANDSCAPE ART AND JUST A PUBLIC SPACE AND, AND SORT OF A, AN IMAGE OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, AS COLBY MENTIONED, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF SORT OF LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, ON THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE SITE, WHICH HAS A SORT OF FOUR MAIN TYPOLOGIES, UH, FROM SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES TO DUPLEXES TO SORT OF GROUPS OF FOUR TO SIX TOWNHOUSES, AND THEN A SORT OF LARGER SCALE, BUT STILL SORT OF THREE UNIT, UH, TRIPLEXES ON THE SOUTH, UH, SIDE. 
          SO THE INTENT BEING THAT THERE'S A SORT OF TRANSITION FROM THE NORTH WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY AND, AND THE SORT OF TRIPLEXES ON, ON THE PERIMETER. 
          AND THEN THE TOWNHOUSE PROJECT OR PORTION IS SORT OF CENTRALIZED, UH, AND ARRANGED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S SORT OF CREATES A MIXTURE OF, UH, TEXTURE AND, AND DENSITIES. 
          SO THE ARCHITECTURAL THEME IS, UH, INTENDED TO BE VARIED. 
          THIS IS A FAIRLY SIZABLE, UH, DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S 127 ACRES. 
          SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE A MONOCULTURE OF SORT OF ONE CONTINUOUS, UH, HOUSING TYPE JUST CONTINUALLY STAMPED OUT ACROSS THE SITE. 
          WE WANTED TO CREATE A MIXTURE OF, OF STYLES WITHOUT, UM, FORCING, UH, ONE PARTICULAR DOMINANT, UH, TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE. 
          BUT THE GENERAL, UH, FEEL WOULD BE OF A SORT OF VERNACULAR, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, CENTRAL OHIO WITH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SHINGLE STYLE OR FARMHOUSE AND CRAFTSMAN ELEMENTS SORT OF DISTRIBUTED AND, AND COULD BE CREATE A, A, A VARIETY, UH, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT GIVES IT A, A SENSE OF PLACE THAT'S NOT, UM, THAT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A, A SINGULAR DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND SO THIS IS JUST AGAIN, SORT OF BREAKING DOWN THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT TYPOLOGIES AND, AND, AND WHERE THEY'RE SORT OF LOCATED. 
          SO AGAIN, THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, LOTS ON RINGS ROAD, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE, THE SORT OF DUPLEX TOWNHOUSES, UM, KIND OF IN THE CENTRAL AREA WITH THE SORT OF CLUSTER THREE UNIT HOUSES, UM, ON THE SOUTH AND WEST EDGE, THE SORT OF LARGER BLOCKS OF TOWNHOUSES, MORE CENTRALIZED. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE, THE COMMERCIAL MIXED USED MULTIFAMILY BEING, UH, ON THE AVERY, UH, ROAD FRONTAGE AND TO THE SOUTH OF THE, THE TUNNEL EXTENSION. 
          SO I THINK THAT WRAPS UP THE DESCRIPTION OF, OF THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE HAD FROM OUR PRESENTATION, SO THANK YOU. 
          UH, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, BUT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE WHO ENTERED IN AFTERWARDS. 
          WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS FOR THIS EVENING IS THE APPLICANT WILL FIRST PRESENT THEIR CASE, SO HE'S JUST DROPPED UP. 
          WE'LL NOW TURN TIME OVER TO STAFF FOR THE STAFF REPORT AND ANALYSIS, AFTER WHICH THE COMMISSION WILL ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. 
          AFTER WE'VE ASKED QUESTIONS. 
          WE WILL INVITE PUBLIC TO COME FORWARD TO MAKE COMMENT BEFORE THE COMMISSION DELIBERATES ON THE CASES. 
          AND WE CERTAINLY, UH, RESPECT AND APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, QUIETNESS. 
          IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US TO DO OUR JOBS, AND I KNOW IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THOSE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE IN THE AUDIENCE TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MEETING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU, MR. WILL THANK YOU, AND GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW WHERE THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING NON-BINDING FEEDBACK. 
          NO DETERMINATION IS PROVIDED AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED. 
          UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS CONCEPT PLAN IS TO PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR 
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THE APPLICANT TO RECEIVE HIGH LEVEL INPUT, UM, ON THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, INCLUDING THE LAND USE LAYOUT, STREETS, OPEN SPACE AND INTEGRATION WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, ADDITIONAL PROJECT INFORMATION WOULD BE REQUIRED, UM, TO BE PROVIDED IF THE APPLICATION CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TYPE WOULD REQUIRE REZONING, SO FUTURE APPLICATIONS WOULD BE NEEDED TO BE REVIEWED BY AND APPROVED BY BOTH THE COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          THE 127 ACRE SITE OUTLINED IN YELLOW HERE IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF AVERY ROAD AND RINGS ROAD AND IS ZONED RURAL. 
          THIS INCLUDES THE 16 ACRE PROPERTY ALONG THE WEST EDGE, WHICH WAS ADDED TO THE PROPOSED SITE AREA. 
          UM, FROM THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, UH, THE SITE CONTAINS THE EXISTING A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED AND A SEVEN LOT PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME ESTATES, SEVERAL TREE ROWS, A LARGE WOOD LOT TO THE SOUTHWEST. 
          UM, AND THEN THE SITE IS LOCATED SOUTH OF ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY AREAS TO THE NORTH ALONG RINGS ROAD, INCLUDING PORTIONS OF BALANCE TRAY AND KRAMER'S CROSSING AREAS TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS. 
          THE SITE IS NOT PRESENTLY SERVED BY WATER OR SANITARY SEWER, SO UTILITIES ARE DESIGNED TO BE EXTENDED WITH THE EXTENSION OF TOTAL CROSSING BOULEVARD. 
          THOSE DETAILS WOULD HAVE TO BE FIGURED OUT AT A LATER DATE BY THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAD PREVIOUSLY APPEARED BEFORE THE COMMISSION BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2023. 
          UH, THE COMMISSION EXPRESSED, UH, SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED USES, BUT RAISED CONCERNS THAT THE DENSITY CITIES EXCEEDED THE COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS IN SOME AREAS. 
          UM, THE COMMISSION WAS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED, UH, CHARACTER OF TOTAL CROSSING BOULEVARD, CITING THAT IT SHOULD BETTER REFLECT WHAT WAS IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, AND THE COMMISSION ALSO WAS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE EXTENSION OF BONANZA LANE THROUGH PONDEROSA, UH, THE PONDEROSA NEIGHBORHOOD AND ITS CONNECTION TO THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF TOTAL CROSSING BOULEVARD, AND THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THE APPLICANT MEET WITH RESIDENTS OF PONDEROSA FOLLOWING THAT MEETING. 
          SO FOLLOWING THE OCTOBER 20, 20, 20 23 COMMISSION MEETING, THE APPLICANT MET WITH RESIDENTS OF PONDEROSA IN, UM, LAST YEAR, AS WELL AS, UH, HOA REPRESENTATIVE FROM KRAMER CROSSING, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF RINGS ROAD. 
          AND AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, UH, FOLKS EAST OF AVERY ROAD. 
          SO SINCE THE OCTOBER, 2023 APPLICATION, CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED A NEW COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH WAS UPDATED THROUGH AN IN THE ENVISION DUBLIN ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO MANY PUBLIC EVENTS, UH, THE NEARLY TWO YEAR PLANNING PROCESS WAS, UM, GOT, WAS RECEIVED GUIDANCE RATHER FROM THE COMMUNITY STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, WHICH INCLUDED STAKEHOLDER REPRESENTATIVES WITH A WIDE RANGING PERSPECTIVE AND INSIGHTS, INCLUDING RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS, NONPROFIT GROUPS, ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS AND MEMBERS OF BOTH THE DUBLIN CITY AND HILLIARD SCHOOL DISTRICTS. 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE SITE INCLUDE MIXED USE, NEIGHBORHOOD FRONTING, AVERY ROAD, SHOWN KIND OF THAT BROWN, UM, AND THE MORE ORANGE IS THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL DENSITY FOR THE BALANCE OF THE SITE. 
          THE INTENT OF THE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TO CREATE A WALKABLE AND AUTO ACCESSIBLE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WITH SERVICES LOCATED NEAR EXISTING AND FUTURE RESIDENTIAL PRINCIPAL USES FOR THIS INCLUDE OFFICE, PERSONAL SERVICES, COMMERCIAL, RETAIL AND AND EATING AND DRINKING. 
          SUPPORTING USES IN THIS DISTRICT INCLUDES SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY. 
          RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ARE RECOMMENDED TO BE ONE TO THREE STORIES RESIDENTIAL SCALED AND ALONG THE STREET. 
          STOREFRONTS ENTRANCES A SIDEWALKS WITH A MIX OF HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL USES. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL MIX DENSITY, UM, IS ENVISIONED TO BE A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD, MARKETABLE TO ALL AGE GROUPS WITH A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND STYLES INTEGRATED TO ADJACENT ENTERTAINMENT AND EMPLOYMENT AREAS. 
          PRINCIPAL USES ARE SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY SHOULD BETWEEN THREE AND 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND BUILDINGS ARE RECOMMENDED TO BE ONE TO THREE STORIES WITH A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES. 
          UM, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS SITE, INCLUDING THE EXTENSION OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD. 
          UM, THIS IS IDENTIFIED AS A CORRIDOR OF SIGNIFICANCE, MEANING, UM, HEIGHTENED GREEN SETBACKS, CURVY LEONARD DESIGN, UM, A MORE PARKWAY TREATMENT WITH WATER FEATURES. 
          UM, ALSO RINGS ROAD IS RECOMMENDED TO MAINTAIN A TWO LANE SECTION AND, UM, PRESERVE ITS RURAL CHARACTER AND IDENTITY THAT IT HAS TODAY. 
          UM, AVERY ROAD IS PROPOSED TO BE WIDENED TO FOUR LANES WITH ROUNDABOUTS AT RINGS ROAD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING PLANNED AND AT TOTAL CROSSING BOULEVARD. 
          THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT GENERALLY ALIGNS WITH THE COMMUNITY PLANS MULTIMODAL PLAN AT THIS POINT, 
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BUT A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY IS REQUIRED OUT OF REZONING AND PDP SHOULD THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL MOVE FORWARD. 
          THIS TIS IS USED TO DETERMINE NECESSARY TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, TIMING FROM TIMING FOR IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT OF WAY NEEDS ACCESS MANAGEMENT, INTER INTERSECTION SPACING, AND OTHER TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC COMPONENTS. 
          WHILE THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN ENSURES C COMPATIBILITY AND COORDINATED GROWTH THROUGHOUT DUBLIN IN KEY AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE SUBSTANTIAL DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT IS LIKELY SPECIAL AREA PLANS PROVIDE A LESSER TO FRAMEWORKS FOR ADDITIONAL DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR DEVELOPMENT SPECIAL AREA PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS AREA INCLUDE ESTABLISHING A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD NODE ALONG AVERY TRANSITIONING FUTURE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH LESS INTENSE RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL NEAR RINGS, ROAD PRESERVATION OF THE PONDEROSA NEIGHBORHOOD, THE EXTENSION OF TU CROSSING AS A SIGNATURE PARKWAY, THE INCORPORATION OF TREE ROWS AND OTHER NATURAL FEATURES INTO THE SITE DESIGN, AND THE USE OF THE LARGE WOODLOT WITHIN THE AVONDALE WOODS RESERVE AS A BACKDROP FOR A FUTURE PARK SPACE AND POTENTIAL TRAILHEAD. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS UPDATED THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT AND HAS ORGANIZED IT INTO FOUR SUB AREAS. 
          THE FIRST, UH, OR SUB AREA, ONE RATHER CONTAINS 52 ACRES OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SHOWN IN GREEN. 
          UM, SUB AREA TWO CONTAINS THE EXISTING PONDEROSA DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE MAINTAINED. 
          UM, SOME AREA SUB AREA THREE CONTAINS THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE AREA ALONG AVERY HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE. 
          AND THEN SUBBURY FOUR CONTAINS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED EXTENSION OF TOTAL CROSSING HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. 
          AND THAT SHOULD BE A FOUR, NOT A TWO. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, THE PROPOSED DENSITY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY SUB AREA, ONE IS SIX DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, SUB AREA FOUR WITH THE PROPOSED MULTI-FAMILY DENSITY IS 13 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. 
          SO SUB AREA ONE IS WITHIN THE RECOMMENDED FUTURE LAND USE DENSITY RANGE OF THREE TO 12, WHILE THE SUB AREA FOUR IS JUST SLIGHTLY HIGHER. 
          UM, UPDATES TO THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL AREA FOLLOWING THE OCTOBER, 2023 COMMISSION MEETING. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT MENTIONED SOME OF THESE WERE THE REDUCTION IN HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED APARTMENTS FROM FOUR TO TWO, FROM FOUR TO THREE STORIES, AND REDUCING KIND OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THOSE BUILDINGS TO A SMALLER SCALE. 
          LARGER LOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE NOW ADJACENT TO RINGS ROAD AND THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, TO THE NORTH AND A GREATER VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL TYPES ACROSS THE SITE ARE INCLUDED AND THEY'RE BETTER INTEGRATED TO ONE ANOTHER AND CREATING MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD FABRIC VERSUS ISOLATED FROM ONE ANOTHER. 
          ONE OF THIS EVENING DISCUSSION QUESTIONS IS IF THE COMMISSION SUPPORTS PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL SUB AREAS. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE APPLICABLE TO SUB ONE. 
          THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES IN PART IS TO FOSTER CHARACTER AND SENSE OF PLACE IN FUTURE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGH LANDSCAPE DESIGN, ARCHITECTURE, AND LOT LAYOUT. 
          SUB AREA ONE CONTAINS FOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOT TYPES, UM, SINGLE FAMILY, DUPLEX, TOWN HOME AND CLUSTER HOMES. 
          DETAILS FOR THESE LOT LAYOUTS WOULD NEED TO BE FURTHER DEFINED IF THIS PROPOSAL MOVES FORWARD. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A VER UM, THE VERNACULAR ARCHITECTURE OF CENTRAL OHIO. 
          IF THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD, THIS THEME WOULD NEED TO BE FURTHER DEFINED. 
          LIKEWISE, THE COMMISSION ALSO ASKED THIS EVENING TO PROVIDE, UM, INPUT ON THE THEME THAT THE A APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          UM, WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE SUB AREA, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING ONE TO THREE STORY COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ORGANIZED ALONG THE STREET IN OPEN SPACES. 
          112,000 SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT IS, IS PROPOSED, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 0.31 FLOOR ERROR RATIO. 
          THIS IS SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THE RECOMMENDED 0.3321 FAR, UM, FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE, THE PROPOSED LAYOUT IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDED FUTURE LAND USE CHARACTERISTICS, BUT AGAIN, ONE OF THIS EVENING'S DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION IS IF THEY SUPPORT THE CHARACTER OF THIS SUB AREA. 
          UH, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THEY'RE PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 24 AND A HALF ACRES OF OPEN SPACE ON THE SITE SINCE THE OCTOBER REVIEW. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED AN OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK PLAN, WHICH LAYS OUT OPEN SPACE AND ESTABLISHES OPEN SPACE TYPES, WHICH THEY WALKED THROUGH. 
          UPDATES TO THE OPEN SPACE ALIGN WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATES TO THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK THAT DO ALIGN WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, INCLUDE THE PARK-LIKE CHARACTER ALONG TOTAL CROSSING AND THE ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE NEIGHBORHOOD GREENS AND GATHERING SPACES THROUGHOUT THE SUB AREAS, UM, AS WELL AS A PARK SPACE THAT HAS A BACKDROP TO THE WOODS, UM, SOUTH OF THE SITE. 
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ADDITIONALLY, THE AREA PROPOSED FOR STORMWATER PONDS HAS INCREASED FOLLOWING THE OCTOBER REVIEW BY THE COMMISSION. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH APPLY TO THE SINGLE FAMILY AREAS OF THE SITE, REQUIRE THAT DETENTION AND RETENTION AREAS BE HIGHLY QUAL, BE HIGH QUALITY AND AMENITIZED TO QUALIFY TOWARDS THAT OPEN SPACE CALCULATION. 
          UM, ANOTHER DISCUSSION QUESTION ASKED OF THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING IS IF THEY SUPPORT THE PROPOSED OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK BEFORE YOU. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING OPEN SPACE SETBACKS AND BUFFERS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS SPECIFICALLY ALONG RINGS ROAD AND ADJACENT TO PONDEROSA. 
          THE COMMISSION HAS ASKED IF THEY SUPPORT THESE TYPES OF TRANSITIONS AND BUFFERS. 
          AND FINALLY, THE APPLICANT HAS REFINED THAT PROPOSED INTERNAL STREET NETWORK, UM, FROM A MORE RIGID GRID TO THE CURVY LINNER AS THEY DESCRIBED. 
          UM, THEY'VE ALSO ESTABLISHED A STREET HIERARCHY, WHICH IS ENCOURAGED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND THEY'VE REFERENCED TYPICAL STREET SECTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          IN DOING SO, UPDATES TO THE PROPOSED STREET NETWORK FOLLOWING THE, UM, OCTOBER REVIEW INCLUDE THE ELIMINATION OF THE PROPOSED EXTENSION OF BONANZA LANE THROUGH PONDEROSA AND ELIMINATING THE CONNECTION TO TUTTLE CROSSING. 
          ALSO ELIMINATING THE STREET CONNECTION BETWEEN PONDEROSA AND THE PROPOSED MIXED USE AREA. 
          ALONG AVERY UM, ROAD, THEY HAVE PROVIDED AN ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL CONNECTION TO THE WEST OF THE SITE. 
          UM, WITH THAT DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS ARE FRAMED FOR THE COMMISSION TO FACILITATE NON-BINDING FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT STAFF. 
          ASK THE COMMISSION TO ALSO PROVIDE FEEDBACK FOR OTHER ELEMENTS PROPOSED OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT NOT FRAMED WITH THE BELOW QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. WILL, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S NOW TIME FOR THE COMMISSION TO ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. 
          MR. GARVIN, WHY DON'T WE START OFF WITH YOU THIS EVENING? THANK YOU. 
          THIS, I'LL START WITH ONE FOR CHRISTOPHER. 
          I'D LIKE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION BETWEEN, I THINK WHAT SEEMS TO ME LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTRADICTION BETWEEN PRESCRIBED DENSITIES. 
          UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT WE HAD LISTED HAS THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL LOAD DENSITY, UM, AND THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL LOAD DENSITY. 
          THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN, I THINK WE SAW HAS ONE TO THREE UNITS PER ACRE. 
          BUT WHAT IS THE DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE PRESCRIBED HERE WITH THE UPDATED COMMUNITY PLAN? IS THAT WHAT WAS UPDATED BY THAT? THE, TO THE MXN? YEAH, SO THE MIX OR THE RESIDENTIAL MIXED UH, DENSITY IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE A VARIETY AND RANGE OF RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES. 
          IT'S NOT THE INTENT THAT THIS NOT ALL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA IS THAT MAXIMUM 12 ACRES AND THAT THERE IS A RANGE AND SOME MIGHT EVEN GO BELOW THAT TO KIND OF MEET THAT, UM, GROSS TYPE DENSITY. 
          UM, SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED DENSITY IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN, I THINK, UM, FOCUSES ON THE TRANSITION OF DENSITIES TO MATCH THE EXISTING, UH, DENSITIES, SPECIFICALLY NORTH OF RINGS ROAD AND ENTRE KRAMER'S CROSSING AND SOME OF THE LARGER LOT LEGACY LOTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          SO IN THAT AREA IS WHERE THEY'D PRESCRIBE ONE TO THREE UNITS AN ACRE. 
          YOU THINK GENERALLY THREE ACRES TO 12 IS WHAT THAT USE WOULD DESCRIBE? THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN PROVIDES THAT ADDITIONAL LAY LAYER OF GUIDANCE THAT, UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE IS KIND OF A HIGHER LEVEL OF VIEW. 
          THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN GIVES A LITTLE CLOSER VIEW IN A WAY THAT MIGHT HAPPEN OR A DEVELOPMENT MIGHT OCCUR, AND THAT'S WHERE THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN COMPONENT COMES INTO THIS. 
          SO THAT IS RELEVANT TO THIS AREA. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UH, MR. TURNOCK, WHEN YOU GOT INITIAL FEEDBACK TO, UH, REDUCE SOME OF THE DENSITY ON THE SOUTHERN EDGE, I GUESS OF THAT PROJECT, DID IT CHANGE THE OVERALL DENSITY? IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE, UH, CENTRAL AREAS BECAME MORE DENSE AS A RESULT. 
          WAS THE OVERALL DENSITY CHANGED BY THAT? UM, I, I WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT, UM, THE, THE SOUTHERN DENSITY DEFINITELY HA HAS, UM, REDUCED. 
          UM, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY AT I THINK SEVEN AND A HALF OVERALL DENSITY ON THE ENTIRE SITE. 
          UM, DO YOU KNOW IF YOU LOST ANY UNITS SINCE THAT? I, I DON'T RECALL. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT OLD PLAN RIGHT ON ME. 
          UM, I, I THINK, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY COUNT. 
          I THINK THE, THE BIGGER, UM, ITEM THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS WAS THE, UM, DIFFERENT 
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TYPES OF HOUSING PRODUCT. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THAT, THAT WAS PREDOMINANTLY, UH, A SMALL LOT SINGLE FAMILY PROPOSAL ON THE PREVIOUS ONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO IN ADDRESSING THAT IS KIND OF WHERE IT DROVE WHAT YOU, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO AS WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN INCREASE IN DENSITY. 
          BUT WE CAN CONFIRM THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED FEEDBACK TO MOVE SOME OF THE PUBLIC SPACES MORE CENTRAL. 
          UH, IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF THAT IS KIND OF AROUND THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, I KNOW THE, UH, PLANNING TALKED ABOUT HOW THOSE SPACES TO BE CONSIDERED A A AN ACTIVATED SPACE, YOU KNOW, NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF FEATURES TO DO THAT. 
          I NOTICED MAYBE UP HERE ON ONE END OF THE, THE LARGE STORMWATER DRAIN, CAN YOU GO THROUGH SOME OF THE WAYS THAT YOU WOULD ACTIVATE THOSE? YEAH, I THINK, UM, THROUGH OUR VARIOUS MEETINGS WITH STAFF ENGINEERING, UM, ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP A CONCERN THAT WE WERE SHOWING TOO LITTLE STORM WATER, UM, AND, AND WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE NEEDED. 
          UM, SO WE, WE TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF A DIVE INTO THAT TO, TO RIGHT SIZE THAT QUANTITY, IF YOU WILL. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF REFLECTIVE ON THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK WE STILL HAVE TO FURTHER STUDY WHAT THAT MEANS AND, AND HOW THOSE ARE, ARE DESIGNED TO, TO MEET THE GUIDELINES, BUT FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR STORMWATER NEEDS TO HAVE, UM, NOT JUST A, A PROGRAMMED, UH, UH, DETENTION POND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE KIND OF INCORPORATED INTO A LARGER OPEN SPACE PHILOSOPHY AND PROGRAMMING TO BE UTILIZED BY THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO IS THAT, I, I JUST DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH DETAIL YET ON SIZING AND DEPTH AND, AND ALL THAT. 
          UH, BUT YEP, CERTAINLY ON OUR RADAR. 
          I LIKE SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE GIVE FEEDBACK, THAT'LL BE IMPORTANT THAT THOSE AREN'T KIND OF WASTED VISUAL ONLY SPACES. 
          YEP. 
          UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE DENSITY SPECIFICALLY ON THAT SOUTH END. 
          UM, THEY MENTIONED A MAXIMUM OF 12 DWELLING UNITS, YOU'RE AT 13. 
          YEP. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A RANGE ALREADY. 
          SO YOU'RE AT THE TOP OF THE RANGE. 
          AND THEN WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO GO OVER? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU THINK THAT I I THINK IT WAS JUST A, A CONTINUITY OF THE PLAN BUILDING LAYOUT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS THESE THINGS SHAKE OUT AND, AND DEBIT STARTS WORKING THEIR MAGIC WITH UNIT PLANS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UH, OBVIOUSLY A MIX THAT WE'LL TRY TO, TO ACHIEVE THAT THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE MARKET AND THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, BE CURATED APPROPRIATELY. 
          UM, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS CONCEPT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED ON THAT. 
          AND A LOT OF THE, UM, I GUESS TRAFFIC IMPLICATIONS WOULD BE RELIANT ON THAT TUTTLE CROSSING EXTENSION, WHICH AS YOU NOTED ISN'T IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. 
          YEP. 
          UM, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR TIMELINE? I MEAN, WOULD YOU START BUILDING BEFORE THAT EXISTED? WOULD YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE THAT LIE LAY EXACTLY BEFORE YOU COULD YEAH, NO, TO US IT'S, IT'S A, A CRITICAL COMPONENT FOR THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN OF THE SITE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE APPRECIATED THE BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF TO KINDA LAND ON WHERE WE WERE AS OPPOSED TO, UH, OR WHERE WE ARE AS OPPOSED TO WHERE WE WERE. 
          UM, HOWEVER, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, THAT SPINE NEEDS, NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE FOR CERTAINLY THE, YOU KNOW, THE WESTERN PORTIONS OF THE, OF THE SITE TO, TO BE DEVELOPED. 
          UM, THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITIES TO THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, UM, WITHOUT AN EXTENSION, BUT THAT CERTAINLY IS A KEY COMPONENT TO THE BACKBONE OF THE, OF THE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN I THINK MY LAST QUESTION FOR NOW IS, HAVE YOU, I SAW A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU SOUGHT FROM NEIGHBORS. 
          I DID NOT NOTICE BALL ANDRE, HOA ON THERE. 
          HAVE YOU HAD INTERACTION WITH? YEAH, UH, WE HAD ACTUALLY A, A COMMUNICATION THAT CHRIS FORWARDED TODAY. 
          UH, MY, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE, AND I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND CONFIRM THAT WE HAD ANY, UH, MEETING ESTABLISHED WITH THEM PREVIOUSLY, BUT CERTAINLY CAN DO. 
          SO MOVING FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. GARVIN. 
          UM, QUICK HISTORY, UH, AND I'M STILL BUMPING IT UP TO CURRENT. 
          THE LAST TIME WE SAW IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A CALCULATION OF ABOUT 5.37 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          114 ACRES WERE INCLUDED. 
          SO IT WAS A SMALLER SCOPE AS STAFF MENTIONED. 
          UH, 719 TOTAL UNITS, NOT INCLUDING THE, UH, COMMERCIAL AREA WHERE 107 OF THOSE WERE PONDEROSA FOR THE BALANCE OF SIX 12. 
          SO AGAIN, I'M STILL BUMPING THAT UP AGAINST CURRENT BUT NUMBERS FOR PREVIOUS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          MR. DASH THERE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? THANKS FOR THE APPLICANT GOING ON, UH, WHAT MR. GARVIN SAID ABOUT THE CONVERSATION. 
          SO SOUNDS LIKE YOU STILL HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH ENTRE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          WHAT WERE THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS OR THE OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, PONDEROSA AND THE COMMUNITIES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA THAT YOU HAVE HAD CONVERSATION WITH? 
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UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, WITH THE PONDEROSA COMMUNITY, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN WITH, UH, CONNECTION TO THE, THE, THE NEW PROPOSED USES TRAFFIC IMPACT. 
          UM, MY DISCUSSION WITH A NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH OF RINGS, I THINK IT WAS TRAFFIC FOCUSED AS WELL. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WILL SHED A LOT OF LIGHT ON ON, UM, WHAT ACCESS POINTS AND WHAT CONFIGURATIONS, ET CETERA ARE, ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED. 
          UM, WITH THE PONDEROSA COMMUNITY, I THINK THERE'S SOME SECURITY, SOME CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCING, SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST DISRUPTION OF, OF THEIR DAILY LIVES, WHICH IS COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE. 
          UM, SO SOME STUFF THAT MIGHT BE COMING IN THE NEXT SET OF PLANS AS, AS WE KIND OF FACT FIND HERE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE APPROPRIATELY SCREEN, UH, THE EXISTING COMMUNITY FROM THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE GOING ON THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. 
          I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. 
          SHOULD I ASK CHRIS, DO WE HAVE, UM, HOW DO YOU WANNA DO IT? YOU COULD ASK ME AND I WILL TRY TO ANSWER FIRST. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND I I MAYBE THIS, MAYBE THIS IS BETTER FOR JENNY OR THAD ON THIS. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE IF I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, SHOULD I WAIT FOR THE STUDY OR THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE, SHOULD WE PINCH NOW? OR REBECCA YOU WANT TO ANSWER? SO BECAUSE I I, I'M, I'M UNDERSTAND ABOUT EVERYBODY'S TIME HERE. 
          UH, CONCEPT PLAN, TYPICALLY WE DON'T GET INTO THE DETAILS OF TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC, UM, ITEMS OR CRITERIA THAT WE WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO, THAT WOULD MAYBE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, THEN COMMISSION COULD ASK STAFF TO, UM, ADD TO CONSIDER ADDING ITEMS INTO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL I STAFF IS THERE, IF THERE ARE PARTICULAR ITEMS THAT WE ARE SENSITIVE TO, WE COULD PASS THOSE ALONG. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO, SO WITH THE UPDATE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WE LOOK AT TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY THROUGH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, MULTIMODAL PLAN. 
          SO IF A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS PROVIDING OR MEETING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, GENERALLY AT THIS POINT IT'S DETERMINED THAT THE TRAFFIC CAN BE MANAGED. 
          THAT TIS THEN HELPS FIND OUT THE PHASING OR TIMING OR WHAT EXACTLY NEEDS TO GET DONE. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN THAT'S SCRUTINIZED AT THAT POINT, AT THIS POINT, THAT CRAYON PHASE, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING FOR THOSE CONNECTIONS AND THE WIDTHS AND WHAT WE NEED SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT PUBLIC SERVICE AND OUR CONNECTIVITY NEEDS CAN BE MET. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS AND SEE WHERE IT GOES. 
          SO FOR THE APPLICANT HERE, I, I GOTTA TELL YOU, LOOKING AT, UM, THE PROPOSED LANE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE NAME OF THE STREET, DO WE HAVE NAMES OF THE STREETS YET ON ANY OF THESE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD MAKE IT EASIER. 
          NOW I HAVE TO LIKE POINT, CAN WE GET UP THE MAP? UH, THIS MUST HAVE WENT CHRIS RIGHT HERE. 
          IT'S LIKE THE SEVENTH OR EIGHTH PAGE. 
          I DON'T SEE A PAGE NUMBER. 
          WOULD THAT WORK OR, UH, YEAH. 
          DO YOU WANT THEIR PRESENTATION? IT'S, YEAH, IT WAS ON, I THINK YOU HAD IT THOUGH. 
          WE CAN USE THIS ONE. 
          SO IF IT'S, IT'S THE ROAD UP ON THE, LET'S SEE, THIS WOULD BE THE NORTH ENTRANCE, THE ONE THAT'S IN SUB AREA, THREE AT THE TOP. 
          ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT IN, SO IF I'M COMING SOUTH ON AVERY AND THEN I'M GONNA GO WEST ON RINGS, IS THAT GONNA BE A, ARE YOU THINKING YOU WANT PEOPLE TO TURN IN LEFT TO GET INTO THE COMPLEX HERE? IF I'M, IF I WANT TO GO TO THE COMMERCIAL AREA, UH, AS SHOWN, UM, I BELIEVE IT IS A FULL ACCESS. 
          BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT TRAFFIC STUDY IS GONNA HELP DETERMINE, UM, THOSE ACCESS POINTS, CONFIGURATIONS, LOCATIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR US TO, TO, TO IMPLEMENT. 
          THE OTHER COMPONENT HERE IS THAT FARTHER DOWN AVERY ROAD, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AN IN AND OUT, RIGHT? RIGHT TURN ONLY LE UH, EACH WAY AT THE, UH, KIND OF, IT'S YEAH, YEAH. 
          THE CENTRAL COMPONENT THERE WITH THE, WITH THE LITTLE, LITTLE PARK AREA COMPONENT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S, THIS IS, AND THIS, AND THIS IS WHERE MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE IMPACT STUDY. 
          IF IT'S GONNA BE ANALYZING THOSE COMPONENTS, GREAT. 
          IF NOT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME DIFFERENT 
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ENTRANCES INTO THIS SUBSECTION OR SUB AREA B OR THREE BECAUSE IT JUST FEELS TYPE, ESPECIALLY ONCE TU CROSSING IS EXTENDED AND AVERY ROAD IS FOUR LANES, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND PEOPLE ALREADY DRIVE BEYOND THE SPEED LIMIT ON, ON AVERY ANYWAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S 35, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE WORSE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GONNA BE A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY. 
          JUST, IT JUST FEELS LIKE THERE'S JUST TOO MANY PINCH POINTS IN THAT AREA. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT CAN BE DONE FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING DONE IN THAT SUB AREA THREE TO BETTER ROUTE THE TRAFFIC, BECAUSE THEN IF YOU LOOK AT SOUTH ON THAT PROPOSED TUTTLE CROSSING CONNECTION, THAT'S A WRITE OUT ONLY. 
          SO YOU'RE, IT FEELS LIKE YOU'RE PINCHING A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO BE IN THAT SPACE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          JUST THAT COMPONENT, UH, FROM A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS POINT HERE, IF I'M IN THE SUB AREA FOUR, OR IF I'M IN THE SUB AREA, ONE OR TWO AND I WANT TO CROSS DOWN TO FOUR TO GET TO THE PARK, I'M NOT SEEING AM I, IS THE THE EXPECTATION THAT I'M GONNA WALK ALONG A SIDEWALK ON THE ROAD. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY DESIGNATED PEDESTRIAN ACCESS POINTS? ARE YOU THINKING THERE COULD BE A TUNNEL MAYBE UNDER TU CROSSING AT SOME POINT OR A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE? HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED? IT, IT, IT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED TO, TO THIS POINT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT FURTHER WITH, WITH CITY STAFF AND, AND THE DESIGN OF THAT EXTENSION, BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE THE SUB AREA FOUR IS, IS KIND OF CUT OFF, BUT, AND MAYBE THIS IS THE EXPECTATION. 
          DO YOU CONSIDER THAT KIND OF A SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT PIECE? ARE YOU WANTING THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN SUB AREA ONE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE PARK? I, I, IDEALLY, YES. 
          I MEAN, IT'D ALL BE CONNECTED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF YOU THINK OF, UH, EXISTING CROSSING POINTS ON, UH, OTHER BOULEVARD AT DUBLIN STREETS, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR CONDITIONS EXIST BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THROUGH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AND, AND THE DESIGN PROCESS FOR PEDAL CROSSING WOULD NEED TO BE WORKED OUT AND WORKED THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE TO MEET THE NEEDS. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE IF YOU'RE, IF WE'RE HAVING A BOULEVARD HERE FOR TU CROSSING, AGAIN, I COMPARATIVELY COMPARED TO THE LAST DESIGN, AND I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT PRESENTATION, BUT I LIKE THE DESIGN OF TOTAL CROSSING COMPARATIVELY TO THE LAST ONE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHERE I'LL END UP, BUT AGAIN, THE CONCERN IS INDIVIDUALS, IF YOU'RE HAVING KIDS TRY TO CROSS THERE TO GET TO THE PARK, IT JUST COULD BE PROBLEMATIC. 
          SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF PEDESTRIAN ONLY ACCESS AT SOME PORTION THEREOF. 
          UM, GOING, LET'S SEE HERE. 
          UM, LEMME LOOK AT MY NOTES ON THE STORM. 
          THE STORMWATER GARDEN PIECES ARE, ARE YOU THINKING, AND YOU, YOU MIGHT NOT BE THERE YET AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          ARE YOU THINKING THESE ARE JUST GONNA BE ALL LIKE RETENTION PONDS? UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SITE SLOPES FROM WEST TO EAST, IT, IT'S, IT'S A FAIRLY FLAT SITE. 
          SO WE'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR THE BEST LOCATIONS TO, TO PLACE THOSE. 
          UM, THEN AFTER THAT OCCURRED AND KIND OF FROM WORKING WITH ENGINEERING STAFF ABOUT, LET'S TRY TO SHOW A, A MORE REALISTIC SIZING THAT WOULD SUPPORT THIS SIZE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THOSE INCREASED. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DEALING WITH? WHAT SIZE UPON ARE WE DEALING WITH? WHAT DEPTH ARE WE DEALING WITH? WHAT CAN WE, WHAT CAN WE DO THERE TO TO ACTIVATE IT, INCORPORATE IT INTO OPEN SPACE? UM, YOU KNOW, I, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION RIGHT NOW, UH, TO, TO ANSWER THAT. 
          BUT I, IT'S AGAIN, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, ON OUR RADAR THAT WE NEED TO STUDY, UH, ONCE WE HAVE THOSE DETAILS. 
          BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE, AND I KNOW THERE'S, WE'RE STILL EARLY ON, BUT I THINK THERE CAN BE SOMETHING DONE WITH THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND IF YOU'RE THINKING OF A NICE LARGER RETENTION POND THAT YOU CAN DEVELOP THAT I KNOW WHERE THERE, THAT WE HAVE THIS, THE GLEN THERE, I, WHILE IT FEELS SOMEWHAT CENTRAL ON THE SITE, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY CENTRAL TO WHERE THE DENSITY OF SOME OF THE, THE HOMES ARE. 
          I THINK THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PERHAPS DEVELOP SOME OF THE, IF YOU'RE THINKING MULTIPLE PONDS OR SOME OTHER KIND OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES 
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TO, TO DO THAT MORE BEYOND THE MORE WESTERN PORTION. 
          'CAUSE IT FEELS VOID NOW. 
          I KNOW YOU SAID IT RUNS WEST TO EAST, RIGHT? THE, BUT IF WE'RE THINKING YOU'RE GONNA RUN ALL THAT WATER FROM ALL THOSE, THAT RUNOFF FROM THOSE HOMES, IT JUST FEELS, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT FEELS LIKE A LOT OF DRAINAGE MANAGEMENT, WHICH I GUESS IS FINE, BUT IT FEELS LIKE YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY BENEFIT OUT OF SOME COHESIVE PRESENTATION OF HOW THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IS GONNA APPEAR. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT, WHETHER IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THINNER, LIKE, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT. 
          SOMETIMES YOU CAN FIND WITHIN THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY APPARENT ON THE EXTERIOR DRIVE, BUT ON THE INTERIOR WHERE THERE'S JUST LIKE THESE OVERFLOW, UM, AREAS THAT SOMETIMES THE WATER, IF THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF WATER, IT'LL RISE UP, BUT OTHER TIMES IT'LL LOOK DOWN, IT KIND OF RUNS THAT NATURAL SPACE. 
          I THINK THERE'S POTENTIALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT HERE. 
          I ALSO THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          MR. MS. LER, DO YOU WANNA WAIT FOR THE DELI? WAIT FOR THE, OH YEAH, THAT'S COMMONARY, THAT'S FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD DIRECT QUESTIONS. 
          THAT'S FAIR IN YOUR DEV. 
          THAT'S, THANKS. 
          THANKS REBECCA. 
          IN YOUR EVALUATION HERE, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ADDITIONAL SPACING FOR THIS CENTRAL LAWN TO BE MORE VISIBLE, EXTRAVAGANT, BECAUSE IT FEELS TIGHT WHERE IT IS? YEAH, NO, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY EXPLORE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS WAS KIND OF OUR, OUR INITIAL REACTION TO THE, THE LAST ROUND OF COMMENTS THROUGH THE VARIOUS GROUPS. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE APPRECIATING. 
          NO, I APPRECIATE IT. 
          I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY NOT EASY NOW THERE'S A, THERE'S NEW INDIVIDUALS, NEW FACES HERE THAT ARE GIVING YOU SEPARATE FEEDBACK. 
          UH, LEMME MAKE SURE HERE, I THINK I'M OKAY. 
          OH, NO. 
          LAST THING, SORRY. 
          UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR HERE. 
          THE, THE HOMES THAT ARE FACING RINGS, ARE YOU THINKING, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR, THAT THE HOMES ARE GONNA BE FACING RINGS WITH THE GARAGES ON THE BACKSIDE, SO THE, OR ARE THE HOMES FACING THAT OTHER INNER, INNER ROAD? THE, THE GARAGES WOULD BE ON THE BACKSIDE. 
          OKAY, SO THE FRONTAGE IS ON RINGS? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. 
          ALRIGHT, GOOD. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU MR. DESLER. 
          MR. ALEXANDER, JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          UH, CHRIS, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE CITY'S GONNA ESTABLISH THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR TUTTLE? YEAH, SO PART OF THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WOULD, LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL DETAILS OF AN ALIGNMENT, UM, FOR CURVATURE AND ACCESS MANAGEMENT TO MAKE SURE THE IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT IS NEEDED. 
          SO IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO MOVE TO THAT NEXT STAGE, WE'D SCRUTINIZE AND DISCUSS WHAT THE APPLICANT, WHAT THAT WOULD WANNA LOOK LIKE AND ESTABLISH THAT RIGHT OF WAY. 
          ALRIGHT, SO IT WOULD BE DONE JOINTLY WITH THE APPLICANT? YEAH. 
          REVIEW TO THAT STAGE AND, AND THEN THROUGH THE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, IT WOULD COME TO THE COMMISSION AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND JUST A FEW QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND MAYBE MR. SINGER, THESE MAY, THESE ARE MORE DESIGN QUESTIONS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GIVEN UP BETWEEN THE TWO SUBMISSIONS, YOUR GOAL OF CONNECTING THE COMMERCIAL AND MORE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT ON, UM, IN THE FRONT OF THE SITE WITH THE PORTIONS THAT ARE TO THE WEST OF THE SITE. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GIVEN UP, I THINK WE'VE RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK, UM, THAT THE, THE PREFERENCE FROM THE EXISTING COMMUNITY WAS TO NOT HAVE AS SUBSTANTIAL CONNECTIONS. 
          SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS, BUT THE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE LIMITED IN, IN THIS PLAN THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SHOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WHY IS THERE NOT MORE OF THE COM COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS FRONTING AVERY? I UN I UNDERSTAND THE VILLAGE GREEN AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF PRECEDENT FOR THAT OLD WORTHINGTON'S BUILT AROUND AT SOUTH ARLINGTON. 
          INTERESTING IDEA. 
          BUT THE VISIBILITY THAT THE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES WOULD HAVE ON AVERY, UM, WHY IS THERE NOT MORE MASSING ALONG AVERY? UM, IT, IT, IT'S SOMETHING WE CERTAINLY COULD EXPLORE, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR RETAIL GROUP AND OTHER, UM, PARTNERS ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. 
          THIS WAS KIND OF A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO, TO START WITH ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY NOT SET IN STONE THERE. 
          ALSO, AS I LOOK AT THE PLAN, THINKING ABOUT LINKAGES AND CONNECTIONS, WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT TO LETTING SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS MIGRATE ACROSS TUTTLE SO CLOSER, SO YOU HAVE SOME OF THAT COMMERCIAL MOVING DOWN ALONG AVERY, SO THERE'S MORE OF, UM, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING RESIDENTIAL RIGHT THERE? 
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UM, YEAH, I I THINK, YOU KNOW, I, THERE THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN THROUGH THE VARIOUS VERSIONS OF THE PLAN A, A VERSION THAT SHOWED COMMERCIAL THERE. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO EXPLORE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AS I, AS I LOOK AT THE CENTER PART OF THE PROJECT, I'M ASSUMING IN ALL OF THE MULTIFAMILY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LARGE TOWNHOUSES, THE REQUIRED PARKING WILL ALL BE WITHIN THE UNITS AND UNDER THE UNITS. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? YEAH, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, BUT IN GENERAL, YES, I THINK THOSE PRODUCT TYPES ARE, ARE SELF-PARK. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER. 
          MS. HERDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          UM, I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER, THE FOUR LANE, UM, DIVIDE AND WHAT'S THE, THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE AND WE'RE CALLING THAT, THAT, UM, OPEN SPACE, I BELIEVE IT'S SIX POINT ACRES. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, HOW DID YOU COME TO THAT DECISION AND HOW IS THAT TO BE A USABLE SPACE? I'M, I'M GONNA LET TED ANSWER THIS ONE, BUT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD MEETING? YES, YES. 
          AND THE SPACE THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE. 
          SO IT STARTS OUT SMALL AND THEN IT GETS LARGER. 
          UM, UH, THE LOOK HAS AN ADVANTAGE, BUT THEN MY QUESTION IS, UM, IS THAT ANY POTENTIAL OF BEING USABLE AND, UM, IF IT'S SIX ACRES QUITE A BIT, UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER MOVING IT WHERE IT COULD BE USABLE? UH, I THINK WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO LOOKING INTO HOW THAT T CROSSING EXTENSION CAN BE, UH, UTILIZED. 
          I THINK INITIALLY THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR ADDITIONAL WIDTH TO THAT, UH, ROADWAY, BUT BECAUSE OF HOW IT CONNECTS, UH, WITH THE CIRCLE AND THE PROXIMITY TO, UM, THE PONDEROSA COMMUNITY, IT HAD TO BE NARROWER IN ORDER TO CREATE A USABLE AREA TO THE SOUTH. 
          AND THEN AS IT MOVED TO THE WEST, WE COULD SORT OF BROADEN IT OUT AND CREATE THAT SORT OF, UH, LANIER, UM, GEOMETRY THAT, THAT WAS EXPRESSED AS BEING PREFERRED. 
          AND, AND THE WIDTH, SO THE, THE MIDDLE SPACE IS SOMEWHAT, UM, SIMILAR TO SOME OTHER SORT OF PARKWAY BOULEVARDS WITHIN, UM, DUBLIN, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS THE ONE, I GUESS FROM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE MM-HMM . 
          WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THE GEOMETRY OF THAT EXTENSION MANEUVERING. 
          AND IF THAT OPEN SPACE WERE TO, UH, FLIP TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY SIDE INSTEAD OF BEING IN BETWEEN THE STREETS AND CAN BE PROGRAMMED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT. 
          UM, I THINK WHERE WE LANDED WAS A, A GEOMETRY OF THE ROADWAY THAT WAS MAYBE PREFERRED AND, AND EXPRESSED IN, IN THE UPDATED COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          BUT AGAIN, ALL THIS IS THE, AGAIN, THE FEEDBACK WE'RE LOOKING FOR SO WE CAN HELP FORMULATE A, A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND MR. WILL, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN? YEAH. 
          SO THE MULTIMODAL PLAN SPEAKS TO TUTTLE AS A CORRIDOR SIGNIFICANCE. 
          SO YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT THIS AS SOMETHING LIKE NEARFIELD DRIVE. 
          IF YOU DRIVE THAT REALLY GREEN WIDE MEDIANS, THERE'S SOME OPEN SPACE IN THERE. 
          IF YOU THINK AROUND MAYBE THE BRAND ROAD ROUNDABOUT WHERE THE JACK NICHOLAS STATUE IS AND THERE'S TOPIARY AND FOLKS CAN ACTUALLY ACCESS THAT, I THINK YOU'D TREAT THIS AREA SIMILAR TO THE STORM WATERS IS IF IT'S OPEN SPACE AND COULD POTENTIALLY COUNT TOWARDS OPEN SPACE IF IT'S PROGRAMMED AND TREATED RESPECTFULLY AND NOT JUST MOW TURF. 
          SO WHEN YOU ARE, UM, CONTINUING ALONG THERE AND YOU HIT THE ROUNDABOUT, DOES THAT CHANGE AGAIN AFTER THAT? I MEAN, WHERE THAT'S PROJECTED, I GUESS MAYBE IT'S HARD TO KNOW THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT WITH THIS SITE IN THIS AREA OR I, I GUESS WHAT'S FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD THAT LOOK AS WELL TOO, WE DON'T KNOW, I GUESS WITH THE ROUNDABOUTS AND SO FORTH. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THE IDEA IS WITH ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND ANY OTHER SITES THAT THEY'D GO THROUGH A SIMILAR PROCESS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WHERE THERE'S AN ALIGNMENT LAYOUT AND KIND OF CHARACTER THAT, BUT THE INTENT OF THE, UH, MULTIMODAL PLAN IS THAT IT'S A SIGNIFICANT OR A SIGNATURE EXPERIENCE. 
          A LOT OF GREEN SPACE, WIDE OPEN SPACES, VISTAS AS WELL. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD CONVERSATION THEN YOU WOULD HAVE WITH THE OTHER, UM, THE OTHER GROUPS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE THAT ROADWAY, YOU AS A CITY YOU WOULD HAVE CONVERSATION WOULD COORDINATE WITH THAT. 
          CORRECT. 
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UM, ALSO I WAS, I I WANTED TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PUBLIC ART PARK. 
          IT'S A ACRE AND JUST A JUST WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE ABOUT THAT. 
          I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, THE IDEA OF, OF ESTABLISHING A THEME, UM, IT, WE, WE LOOKED AT THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE THAT VERY VISIBLE CORNER TO, TO BE AN ANCHOR TO, TO HELP START ESTABLISHING THAT THEME. 
          UM, I THINK YOU, YOU SEE ON THE PLAN, IT'S KIND OF A, A LANDSCAPED MAZE, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT THERE'S OTHER KIND OF IMAGERY THAT I THINK TED HAD IN THERE THAT COULD SHOW IT AS SOMETHING ELSE. 
          SO WE'RE JUST STARTING TO EXPLORE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT COULD MEAN. 
          BUT IT'S KIND OF YOUR, YOUR GATEWAY TO, TO CREATE THE THEME FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND, UM, THAT, THAT WAS THE THINKING BEHIND TAKING THAT CORNER AND DOING SOMETHING SPECIAL WITH IT. 
          DID YOU PICK THE, THE, UM, CORNER WHERE THE, UM, THE, UH, RECREATION AREA IS, AND I SAW MAYBE A BASKETBALL HOOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS MORE OFF, SO IT'S OPEN MORE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IS THAT YES. 
          AND THEN THAT ABUTS THE, THE WOODS TO, TO THE SOUTH. 
          SO AGAIN, I THINK THE PROGRAMMING, UM, THAT'S A LARGER OPEN SPACE. 
          SO IT'S BETTER SUITED FOR MORE, UH, ACTIVE RECREATIONAL, UM, USES. 
          BUT IT COULD ALSO BE A CONNECTION TO IF THERE WAS A, A LARGER CONNECTION TO A, A TRAIL SYSTEM OR SOMETHING THAT GOES THROUGH THAT WOODS. 
          THOSE WOODS. 
          AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE. 
          AND ONE THING I NOTICED, THERE'S A, A HOUSE, UM, MAYBE IT'S A LONG RINGS ROAD THAT'S, THAT SITS THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          CAN YOU GIVE US ANY UPDATE ON THAT CONVERSATIONS, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE? UM, AS OF NOW, IT, IT IS EXCLUDED. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT THE INTENT IS TO, TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THE, THE EXISTING CHARACTER, UH, OF RINGS ROAD, UM, AND NOT INTRODUCE A, A NEW ELEMENT THERE. 
          UM, SOUNDS GOOD. 
          I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. 
          MR. CHINOOK. 
          UH, QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          THE, THAT GRAPH YOU JUST HAD UP WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE GREEN SPACE OR THE, UH, OPEN SPACE, THAT AND, AND, AND STAFF'S OPINION MEETS THE GREEN SPACE INTENT AND A GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR THIS, A SITE LIKE THIS. 
          SO WITH A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, IT'S KIND OF A NEGOTIATED PROCESS. 
          SO DETERMINING WHAT THAT EXACTLY IS, GOES THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND THAT THEY HELP PROVIDE INPUT ON THAT. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE APPLICABLE TO THE SUB AREA. 
          ONE, WE'LL SAY THE SINGLE FAMILY PORTION OF THAT, THOSE PRESCRIBED THINGS OF PURPOSE, INTENT OF THESE SPACES. 
          UH, MEANINGFUL, USEFUL SPACES WITH THEME AND IDENTITY, SPECIFICALLY AS WE MENTIONED WITH THE STORMWATER PONDS, THAT PLAYS INTO EFFECT. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE AMENITIZED AND TREATED PROPERLY AT THIS LEVEL. 
          IT'S UNCLEAR IF THOSE AREAS ARE MORE ABOUT STORM WATER OR MORE ABOUT PUBLIC SPACE AND GREEN SPACE. 
          UM, THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN THAT ALIGN WITH THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          UM, REFERRING TO MAYBE, UM, THE AREA E SHOWN HERE ADJACENT TO THE LARGE WOOD STANDS. 
          UM, AGAIN, PROVIDING GREEN SPACES AND, AND ADJACENT TO OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS, TRANSITIONING AND USING OPEN SPACE BUFFERS NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          BUT I THINK THE QUESTION, UM, FOR THE COMMISSION IS, IS THIS ENOUGH? IS THIS PROPER OR, OR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS? YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST ABOUT THE USE, LIKE YOU SAID, IS IT ACTIVATED? SO IT COULD BE CONSIDERED USABLE GREEN SPACE. 
          YEP. 
          VARIETY OF SPACES AND PURPOSE SO THAT THERE'S NOT JUST ONE TYPE OF OPEN SPACE. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO FOR THE APPLICANT, AGAIN, A FEW QUESTIONS CAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND LEAVING THAT SITE PLAN UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT THE, I, I THINK IT'S ON HERE, BUT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON THE HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDING. 
          I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO EVERY BUILDING, BUT THE GEN GENERALLY THE HEIGHTS. 
          SO WE'VE GOT ALONG AVERY ROAD FOR INSTANCE. 
          THOSE ARE, CAN, I GUESS, CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPLAIN KIND OF THE, THE BUILDING HEIGHTS IN GENERAL? Y YEAH. 
          SO FOR THE MIXED USE, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING NOW, UM, THE, THE BLUE BUILDINGS I THINK, YOU KNOW, ARE CALLED OUT TO BE ONE, ONE TO THREE. 
          THAT SOME OF THE IMAGERY THAT YOU SEE ON THERE ARE, ARE ONE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE AND A HALF IF, IF YOU CALL IT THAT KIND OF STORY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL SERVICE RETAIL TYPE USES. 
          THE MULTIFAMILY BEHIND THAT IS TWO STORIES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE LARGER, UM, SUB AREA WITH THE TOWN HOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE TWO AND MAYBE THREE STORY WITH PARK WITH PARK GARAGE UNDERNEATH. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN THE MULTI-FAMILY SUB AREA WAS REDUCED FROM FOUR TO THREE STORIES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN ON THE, ON THE PLAN FOR A MOMENT. 
          SO I, I REALIZE THAT OUR, YOU KNOW, ENVISION DEMAN HAS A CERTAIN, UM, GOAL, I GUESS FOR THIS, THIS SITE. 
          BUT I THINK WHEN WE CONSIDER 
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THE, WE'LL CALL IT THE PONDEROSA WEDGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS WHOLE SITE, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE ABOUT HOW YOU, WELL, ACTUALLY I NEED TO SAY THIS TOO. 
          I, I THINK YOU GUYS CAME BACK AND NEEDED, I, KUDOS TO YOU FOR DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB. 
          YOU OBVIOUSLY LISTENED TO OUR COMMENTS ON THE PREVIOUS MEETING. 
          IT HASN'T BEEN SAID YET, SO I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO SAY IT. 
          I KNOW WE'RE NOT IN DELIBERATION, BUT THIS IS SO FAR, I MEAN, YOU LEAPS AND BOUNDS AHEAD OF WHERE WE WERE LAST TIME. 
          YOU'RE HERE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, BUT, UM, MY QUESTION THOUGH GETS BACK TO, AS WE LOOK AT THESE SUB AREAS, UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW YOU LAID IT OUT? BECAUSE IT'S VERY, I KNOW WE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY SUB AREAS, BUT IT FEELS LIKE THIS, THIS SITE AS A WHOLE MIGHT BE BETTER SUITED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER MIXTURE OF TYPES. 
          'CAUSE IT'S VERY SEGREGATED, IF YOU WILL. 
          AND I KNOW WE GOT PONDERS IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH ADDS CHALLENGES, BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE ABOUT, DID YOU GUYS CONSIDER MIXING IT EVEN MORE THAN YOU HAVE HERE? LIKE WITH BRINGING, FOR INSTANCE, BRINGING THE RETAIL AND, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT, WHATEVER USES ARE MORE TOWARDS WHERE THE DENSITY IS AS OPPOSED TO HAVING IT BE MM-HMM . 
          ALMOST UNACCESSIBLE AS YOU'VE GOT IT HERE NOW? YEAH, I THINK TWO THINGS PROBABLY DROVE, UH, THE LAYOUT AS YOU SEE IT. 
          AND, AND CHRIS HAD A, A GOOD SLIDE THAT SHOWED KIND OF WHERE THE, THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION WAS ALONG AVERY IN THAT, IN THAT WEDGE, WHICH WE, WE TRIED TO, TO FOLLOW. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER CONSIDERATION IS JUST THE, THE, THE, UH, CHANGING, YOU KNOW, SWITCHING FROM A, A LOWER DENSITY PRODUCT ON RINGS AND KIND OF WORKING YOUR WAY NORTH TO SOUTH TO THE HIGHER DENSITY AND KIND OF RESPECTING THAT, UM, AS YOU, AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY NORTH TO SOUTH ON THE SITE. 
          SO THOSE WERE PROBABLY THE TWO DRIVING FACTORS OF, OF WHY WE ENDED UP THERE. 
          UM, I I'M NOT SURE WE LOOKED AT, UM, RETAIL, UM, IN THE MORE CENTRAL LOCATION OF THE SITE. 
          UM, WE CERTAINLY HAVE PLAYED AROUND WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USES KIND OF ALL OVER, UM, AND, AND LANDED HERE. 
          BUT AGAIN, UM, SO SOMETHING WE COULD EXPLORE FOR FURTHER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THINK, YEAH, THAT WAS ALL MY QUESTIONS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE ASKED. 
          THE OTHER, THANK YOU. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME, IT, IT APPEARS IN SUB AREA THREE, YOU HAVE TWO COMMERCIAL BUILDING TYPES CALLED OUT. 
          UH, CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF NON-RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN THAT, IN, IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLANT IN SUB AREA THREE? WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY AREA WHERE YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL, SO I'M GONNA LET TED DIG HERE FOR A SECOND. 
          UM, SO IN THE, THE SUB AREA THREE, I THINK WE HAVE A TOTAL OF, UH, ABOUT 46,000 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, RETAIL SLASH RESTAURANT SPACE. 
          AND DO YOU SEE THAT AS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM THE LAST TIME YOU WERE BEFORE THE COMMISSION? UM, I, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND, AND COMPARE THE SQUARE FOOTAGES. 
          I, I THINK THIS WAS MORE DRIVEN BY LAYOUT AND, AND FEEDBACK FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR PARTNERS ON WHAT THOSE SERVICES AND RETAILERS MIGHT BE. 
          UM, SO I, I DON'T HAVE A DIRECT ANSWER, UM, FOR THAT. 
          BUT, UM, OKAY. 
          UH, AND THEN CAN YOU TELL ME, UH, THE GOAL OVERALL BASED ON THE, THE COMMISSION FEEDBACK LAST TIME, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A, UM, ACREAGE CHANGE, BUT THE GOAL OVERALL WAS IT TO MAINTAIN DENSITY, TO INCREASE DENSITY TO LOWER DENSITY. 
          CAN YOU TALK ME THROUGH WHERE YOUR DESIRES WERE FROM THE LAST TIME? UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT, IT WAS PROBABLY, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO MAINTAIN DENSITY. 
          I, I THINK WE HEARD THAT WE NEEDED TO LOWER DENSITY IN CERTAIN AREAS, WHICH WE REACTED TO. 
          I THINK THE OVERALL DENSITY, UM, BASED ON YOUR CALCULATIONS EARLIER HAS, HAS GONE UP. 
          UM, THERE WASN'T A TARGET DENSITY WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO HIT. 
          I THINK WE WERE JUST TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO WHERE THE DENSITY NEEDED TO, TO BE LOWERED BASED OFF OF THE FEEDBACK. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CHIN? SORRY, I FORGOT ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          SO LAST TIME WE, UM, YOU WERE HERE, WE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK YOU'RE CALLING IT NEIGHBORHOOD BOULEVARD, THE BOULEVARD THAT THE MAIN ARTERY THAT RUNS NORTH SOUTH OF THE CENTER OF THE SITE. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UM, BEING KIND OF LIKE A SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE LIKE A REALLY NICE STREET SCAPE IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          I, I GUESS DID YOU GUYS CONSIDER THAT AND CAN YOU KIND OF TALK A LITTLE ABOUT YOUR VISION FOR THAT? I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY MAIN, IT'D BE A MAIN ARTERY. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT PRODUCT TYPE LENDS ITSELF TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THAT, THAT BROWNSTONE WALKUP KIND OF TOWN HOME FEEL. 
          WE 
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HAVE IT CONNECTING TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH TO CREATE THAT CONNECTIVITY, UM, THAT, THAT ORGANIZATION OF THE PLAN AND THE PRODUCT TYPE. 
          UM, KIND OF AS THAT CENTRAL NORTH SOUTH WAS, YES, A MAIN THOROUGHFARE, BUT KIND OF A RESIDENTIAL THOROUGHFARE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE, THE SPINE OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. 
          ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AT THIS TIME WE WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COME UP AND MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE. 
          WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND WE DO ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN HEAR EVERYONE WHO HAS MADE TIME TO BE IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING. 
          SURE. 
          MY NAME'S RON LOVELL. 
          I LIVE AT 5 7 5 3 BONNELLY COURT IN THE BALANCE RATE COMMUNITY. 
          I HAVE A HALF A DOZEN OR SO AREAS OF CONCERNS I'LL CALL 'EM. 
          SO I'LL HAVE TO WRITE 'EM, GET THROUGH 'EM PRETTY QUICK IN A THREE MINUTE PERIOD. 
          UH, THE 719 UNITS WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, ALONG WITH THE 200 IN THIS IRISH VI V IRISH VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S A REALLY SIGNIFICANT CONCERN TO THE INCREASED VOLUME IN THE AREA. 
          AND THAT, THAT WE DON'T HEAR WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF RENTAL PROPERTIES VERSUS HOMEOWNER PROPERTIES. 
          WE DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT IN EITHER OF THESE, UH, PROPOSED THINGS. 
          UH, THE THREE STORY PROPOSED BUILDINGS IN THE WRITEUP ONLINE I READ IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE AN EXTENSION OF THE BALL TRADE COMMUNITY. 
          NOWHERE IN THE BALL TRADE COMMUNITY DO WE HAVE THREE STORY BUILDINGS AS, UH, KIND OF PROPOSED IN BOTH IRISH VILLAGE AND THIS ONE. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN. 
          THE VOLUME INTO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THE SPLASH PAD, ET CETERA. 
          THOSE, THOSE, THE PAY AREAS ARE ALREADY OVERWHELMED. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE SPLASH PAD ON ANY WEEKEND, THAT'S, UH, DECENT WEATHER, EVEN DURING THE WEEK, IT IS OVERWHELMED. 
          YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THROUGH THERE. 
          AND THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC ON DERMAN GOING IN AND OUT OF THE SCHOOL AT DROP OFF AND PICKUP TIMES, IT BACKS UP SO BAD YOU CAN'T EVEN GET AROUND. 
          YOU'RE WAITING FOR 15, 20 MINUTES TO GET AROUND THAT. 
          AND SO EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN'T EVEN GET THROUGH THERE. 
          UH, THE NO INTERACTIONS WITH THE BALANCE TRADE COMMUNITY IS SOMEWHAT CONCERNING CONSIDERING HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          IF YOU'D HAVE GONE, IF YOU'VE HEARD OF, ON TUESDAY NIGHT, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A BALL, ANDRE CIVIC ASSOCIATION MEETING, UH, AT THE REC CENTER. 
          IT WAS SO OVERWHELMINGLY ATTENDED, THEY HAD TO SHUT IT DOWN BECAUSE OF A FIRE HAZARD AND WE DIDN'T EVEN GET TO HAVE THE MEETING. 
          AND THERE WAS TREMENDOUS CONCERNS TOWARDS THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, THE, UH, IRISH VILLAGE AND THE COS GRAY DATA CENTER WERE THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT THE, THE TURNOUT DROVE. 
          UH, I HEARD ABOUT THE SPEED LIMITS ON, UH, AVERY. 
          I SEE THIS, UH, A UH, IMAN ROAD QUITE A BIT. 
          I DRIVE THE SPEED ON IMAN IS EXCESSIVE AT TIMES. 
          PEOPLE GO DOWN THROUGH THERE 50 MILES AN HOUR, EASY. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY HEAVILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          UH, THE OTHER CONSTRUCTION IN THE WEST INNOVATION AREA. 
          I HAVE A CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, AS THIS CONSTRUCTION OCCURS, THAT'S NOT JUST THESE DEVELOPMENTS, THEN WE HAVE THE NEW SPORTS PARKS, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GONNA OCCUR OVER THERE. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON AT ONCE AND CONSTRUCTION GOING ON AT ONCE. 
          MAINLY. 
          UH, FINALLY I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THE PASS THROUGH AND I'M TALKING FAST 'CAUSE THREE MINUTES IS TOUGH. 
          UH, YOU TALK ABOUT ALL THE PASS THROUGH STREETS, YOU GOT RINGS, YOU GOT SHEAR RINGS, YOU GOT WARNER TEMPLE, AND THEN YOU GOT EMAN GOING, UH, NORTH, SOUTH AND AVERY NORTH SOUTH AND COS GRAY, NORTH SOUTH, THEN YOU'RE CONNECTING THEY, UH, TUTTLE AND EVERYTHING. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF CONNECTING STREETS THAT ARE, HAVE HEAVY, UH, VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC ON IT OR WILL HAVE ONCE ALL THIS OCCURS. 
          SO WITH THAT SAID, I KNOW I GAVE YOU A LOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT IN THERE, BUT, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO US AND, UH, HAVING THIS MEETING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE'D LIKE TO INVITE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          MS. BEAL, IF YOU COULD RESET THE TIMER. 
          IT DOES LOOK LIKE THE YELLOW IS BEING SKIPPED. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? UM, MOLLY SENT EXCUSE MY VOICE, IT'S KIND OF HOARSE FROM SHOUTING AT THE KIDS. 
          UM, 6 2 3 6 RINGS ROAD. 
          CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME BACK HERE? YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, IT'D BE NICE IF YOU COULD PULL UP POSSIBLY THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN WITH SUB AREA THREE. 
          SO MY ADDRESS IS OFF OF FRANKS ROAD. 
          I SPOKE TO MY NEIGHBORS ON THE NORTHERN SIDE WITH FRANKS ROAD LAST WEEK AND THIS WEEK, AND THEN MET WITH THE, UM, REPRESENTATIVE 
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AT CAST CASTO THIS WEEK. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME SAID. 
          SO, UM, WHY I APPRECIATE THE CITY'S PLAN, CITY PLANNER AND COSTCO'S EFFORT TO COLLABORATE, UM, IN REFINING THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. 
          I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER CHINOOK, THAT IT IS A GREAT GROWTH THAT THEY DID FROM THE INITIAL ONE BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE THE INITIAL ONE WASN'T GEO GEOGRAPHICALLY ALIGN COMPLETELY. 
          UM, SO THERE ARE STILL SOME PRESSING CONCERNS THAT BURDENS THE COMMUNITY ON RINGS ROAD. 
          UM, BEFORE I OUTLINED A SPECIFIC CONCERNS, I WANT TO FIRST HIGHLIGHT THE BURDENS THAT WE HAVE FACED ALREADY FOR THOSE WHO ARE LIVING ON RINGS ROAD AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO FACE DUE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THE FIRST PART IS FINANCIAL IMPACTMENT ON OF THE EASEMENT IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO WE WHO LIVED ON EAST, WHO ARE LIVING ON RINGS ROAD TODAY HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO CONTRIBUTE FINANCIALLY TO THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE EASEMENT BY DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OUR HOMES IN 2019. 
          THE CODED COST FOR THIS WAS BETWEEN 20 TO 20 TH 10,000 TO 20,000, UM, AND ADDED IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO EVENTUALLY PAY FOR, UM, THE EASEMENT AND MAKING IT PRETTY ESSENTIALLY RIGHT LAYMAN TERMS GIVEN THE PASSAGE OF TIME THAT COST WOULD DOUBLE. 
          ANOTHER POINT IS THE SALE OF EASEMENT OF CITY WATER FOR CITY WATER AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO WE AGREED TO SELL OUR EASEMENT TO THE CITY TO FACILITATE THE INSTALLATION OF CITY WATER LINES AND SIDEWALKS FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE DUBLIN COMMUNITY. 
          THIS DECISION, WHILE BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY, HAS PLACED AN ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL BURDEN ON US. 
          WE ARE FACING FINANCIAL SIGNIFICANT COSTS RECENTLY QUOTED, UM, IN THE PAST MONTH ABOUT 70 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST TO CONNECT TO THE CITY WATER LINES AND PAY FOR THE ASSOCIATE LINES ON OUR GROUNDS. 
          UM, THIS IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE POTENTIAL LOSS OF WELL WATER, OUR HOME IS DEPENDENT ON WELL WATER. 
          AND FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR CITY WATER CONNECTION, UM, WE HAVE THE, THE LOSS, POTENTIAL LOSS OF ACCESS TO THOSE RESOURCES. 
          UM, DUE TO THE NEARBY DEVELOPMENT. 
          STATISTICALLY DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA LIKE OURS ARE LED TO DECREASED WATER ACCESS OR IN SOME CASES DRY WELLS. 
          THIS IS NOT A HYPOTHETICAL CON CONCERN. 
          20 YEARS AGO, MY SPECIFIC PROPERTY, ONE IS COURT CASE RELATING TO BEING FORCED TO RELOCATE AS WELL AFTER NEARBY NEIGHBORS NEARBY NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT CAUSED A DROP IN WATER LEVELS. 
          WE FEAR THAT A SIMILAR SITUATION MAY ARISE AGAIN, LEADING TO FUTURE COSTS AND DISRUPTION OVERALL INCREASED TRAFFIC, NOISE AND POLLUTION. 
          IN ADDITION TO THESE CONCERNS, WE ARE DEEPLY TROUBLED BY THE INCREASE OF TRAFFIC NOISE, AIR POLLUTION, AND UM, TRAFFIC. 
          YES. 
          AND THE NEW DEVELOP IN WHICH THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS WILL BRING TO OUR ONCE QUIET AREA. 
          UM, WE URGED CASTO AND CI THE CITY TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING REQUESTS, WHICH WOULD MEDICATE MITIGATE SOME OF OUR NEGATIVE IMPACT. 
          OUR REQUEST TO CONSIDER REVIEWING AND I HEARD SAID ALREADY BY COMMISSIONER ELLER, UM, IN TERMS OF THE ACCESS LINES, UM, ACCESS STREET OFF OF RINGS ROAD. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITES, UM, THE ACCESS STREET BETWEEN TOTAL CROSSING AND RINGS, UM, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL HAD THE STREET ACCESS WHERE THE RETENTION PAWN IS, AND YOU ARE OVERTIME. 
          SO IF YOU COULD CONDENSE YES, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO ESSENTIALLY THIS PRODUCE, UM, WILL LEAD TO PROPERTY VALUE DECREASE POST SAFETY RISK TO OUR SMALL CHILDREN ACCESS POINT. 
          SO CLOSE TO OUR FRONT DOORS, INCREASE IN ACCIDENTS, CRIMES AND GENERAL DISRUPTION. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, OUR MAILBOXES ARE LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO CROSS YOU THAT TRAFFIC, UM, EVERY DAY JUST TO GET OUR POSTAGE. 
          SO THE FEAR IS THAT THE, THE TRAFFIC, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT I HEARD, MANY HAVE SPOKEN ALREADY, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU MOLLY. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          MY NAME IS BILL S LUKA. 
          I LIVE AT 55 90 STOCKTON WAY, WHICH IS IN KRAMER CROSSING. 
          UM, I ECHO, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID ABOUT THE DENSITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER NOT JUST THIS PROJECT, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING SOUTH OF THERE IN THE COLUMBUS HILLIARD AREA. 
          IF ANY OF THIS HAPPENS BEFORE THE AVERY ROAD, UH, SITUATION GETS IMPROVED, UH, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THERE. 
          WE HAVE TODAY, DIFFICULTIES GETTING OUT OF THE KRAMER'S CROSSING DRIVE ONTO AVERY. 
          UM, I HOPE THIS CONSIDERATION FOR THE IMPACT IN THE HILLIARD SCHOOLS. 
          UH, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED RECENTLY WHERE WE FEEL IN THIS SIDE OF TOWN THAT, UH, WE'RE KIND OF IGNORED BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IN THE DUBLIN SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          AND SO I HOPE THE 
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IMPACT OF ON THE DOUBLE, ON THE HILLIARD SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THE PEOPLE THAT GO THERE IS, IS COORDINATED AND AND CONSIDERED. 
          UH, LAST POINT IS, UH, I HAVE ATTENDED A NUMBER OF LEADERSHIP MEETINGS FOR THE HOA PEOPLE HERE. 
          WE'VE GOT ONE COMING UP. 
          I THINK, UH, CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO WHEN YOU PUT ALL THIS NICE STUFF IN THERE, THE COST OF THE MAINTENANCE. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD FROM SOME OF THE NEW LEADERS, AND I HAVE TO BE TREASURER OF MY HOA, BUT WHAT I HEAR IS THE, YOU KNOW, FOUNTAIN MAINTENANCE, LANDSCAPING, MAINTENANCE, AND THAT COST ON PEOPLE. 
          IT, IT GETS SURPRISING AFTER A WHILE, INCLUDING THE ABILITY TO EVEN FIND PEOPLE TO HELP WITH THAT MAINTENANCE. 
          SO I THINK THAT BALANCE BETWEEN THE AESTHETICS AND THE COST THAT GETS PUT TO THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, THERE TO MAINTAIN THAT IF IT'S, IF IT IS GONNA BE ON THE HOMEOWNERS VERSUS THE DEVELOPER, UH, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS A, A BALANCE TO BE STRICT THERE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO LOOK AT, BUT, BUT AT WHAT COST. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC ? MS. BEAL WILL HELP YOU THERE ALSO. 
          . 
          OH, LOOK AT THAT. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          MY NAME'S MATTHEW LANG HOUSE. 
          I LIVE AT 5 7 3 3 TRAFALGAR LANE, WHICH IS IN THE BALLIN TRAY DIVISION. 
          UM, I THINK BY WAY OF MAYBE A LITTLE ACTIVITY HERE, I CAN SAY RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT TO GO FORWARD. 
          OKAY, THAT SAYS A LOT. 
          UM, I'M JUST A COUNTRY KID FROM NORTHWEST OHIO. 
          OUR FAMILY FARM WAS 125 ACRES, SO I KNOW VERY WELL HOW BIG THAT IS. 
          AND IF YOU TRY AND JAM THAT MANY PEOPLE INTO THAT UNIT, I JUST WOULDN'T SEE THAT EVER HAPPENING BACK WHERE I'M FROM. 
          IT'S JUST TOO MANY PEOPLE IN A SMALL AREA. 
          ALSO, UM, I'M AN ATTORNEY. 
          I'VE GOT AN OFFICE IN MARYSVILLE AND AN OFFICE IN DELAWARE. 
          AND UH, NO OFFENSE TO YOU GUYS, TRY AND TAKE IT AS UM, SOMETHING THAT'S CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, OPENING OFFICES AND MIXED USE AREAS LIKE THIS. 
          UH, THERE'S ONE IN MARYSVILLE THAT I THINK OF IN PARTICULAR, THAT'S WHERE BUSINESSES GO TO DIE. 
          NOBODY GOES TO BUSINESSES OR THOSE TYPES OF PLACES IN THESE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          NOBODY'S WALKING THERE WHO'S GONNA WALK UP AVERY ROAD OR DOWN RINGS ROAD TO GO TO ANY OF THOSE BUSINESSES. 
          AND WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MANY ACCESS POINTS OFF OF RINGS ROAD, IF YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU WANT TO KEEP A RURAL KIND OF FEEL TO THAT BY KEEPING IT A TWO-LANE ROAD, THERE'S JUST NO WAY YOU CAN DO THAT WITH THAT MANY ACCESS POINTS INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD RINGS ROAD. 
          AND AVERY ROAD, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID, HAS BECOME THE INDIANAPOLIS FOUR 500 ANYWAY. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A CONTINUATION OF THE SAME. 
          SO OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MADE VERY GOOD POINTS. 
          I THINK I'VE MADE MY POINT AS WELL. 
          AND I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. 
          THANK YOU MATTHEW. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD MAKE LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? CAN YOU PULL UP THE SOUTHWEST AREA? SO THIS IS AN INTERESTING, COULD, SORRY, STATE YOUR NAME. 
          CHRISTIAN COONEY 58 35 BARRON'S COURT WAY. 
          UM, SO I'M IN THE BALANCE RATE COMMUNITY AND WE RECENTLY WOKE UP, I STARTED PAYING ATTENTION AND WE WERE EITHER SHOCKED THAT THE UNDEVELOPED LAND TO THE NORTH, THE WEST AND THE SOUTH IS, UH, HAS ALL BEEN REZONED AND REWORKED OR THE PLANNING THROUGH THE ENVISION DUBLIN. 
          AND WHEN WE MET WITH THE CITY AT THE  CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS A REALLY INTERESTING DISCUSSION ABOUT IT'S INDIAN ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          AND I TALKED TO SOME, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS OFF OF, UH, HERSCHEL ROAD AND THEY CAME BACK AND THEY SAID, WE HEARD ABOUT A REZONING. 
          WE APPROACHED AND WE WERE TOLD IT'S THE ENVISION DOUBLING PLAN. 
          YOU'RE STUCK. 
          PRETTY MUCH WAS THERE. 
          THAT, THAT WAS THE WAY THEY, THEY ARTICULATED FEEDBACK. 
          CAN YOU ZOOM IN, IF YOU WOULD, ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S PROPOSED. 
          SO THIS TO ME IS A GOOD TEST. 
          HOW MUCH FIDELITY IS THE CITY GONNA HOLD TO THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN? BECAUSE THEN THE CITY'S REPORT, THIS MET THE DENSITY REQUIREMENT PER THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN. 
          AND I GUESS IT DOES, I GUESS IF A DEVELOPER GLOMS ENOUGH DIFFERENT PIECES OF PROPERTY TOGETHER AND YOU AVERAGE EVERYTHING OUT THAT IT CAN WORK AND THEY COME BACK WITH ABOUT SIX, UH, SIX UNITS PER ACRE. 
          UM, SO WE'LL DO, LET'S JUST TAKE THIS THING. 
          SO FOR 
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EVERYONE IN HERE, I, I TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THREE UNITS AN ACRE? THREE UNITS AN ACRE IS THE GLENS AT BALANCE TRAY OR THE WOODS IN BALL. 
          THE, THE, UH, THE COTTAGES AT BALANCE BALANCER WOODS, THAT'S THREE UNITS PER ACRE. 
          AND THOSE ARE REALLY PRETTY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          I THEN WENT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S SIX HOUSING UNITS PER ACRE? AND THAT REALLY GOES BACK TO THE LAKES, UH, AT BALANCE TRAY AND THE WOODLANDS AT BALANCER. 
          SO IT'S A FOUR UNIT CONDO, UH, MULTI, MULTI, I GUESS MULTIFAMILY. 
          THEY, THEY SHARE WALLS. 
          UM, AND SO HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS BLENDED AMOUNT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP AND WE CAN'T REALLY SEE IT. 
          SO WE HAVE THE RED BOX, RIGHT, IF EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT. 
          AND THEN THE LIGHT TAN IS THREE HOUSES PER ACRE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THIS, THE, THE, THE PIECE THAT'S NEXT STEP OVER RIGHT NEXT TO THE PONDEROSA IS SIX. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF THE LAKES OF DUBLIN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE OTHER IS KIND OF LIKE BALANCE TREE WOODS. 
          OKAY. 
          PRETTY NEIGHBORHOODS, PRETTY HOUSES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS ENVISIONED IN THIS PLAN. 
          AND THE DENSITY IS MOVING AS THE DEVELOPER SAID, THEY'RE MOVING THE DENSITY FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. 
          WELL THAT'S GREAT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN THE PLAN. 
          THE DENSITY IN THE PLAN IS TO MOVE IT LOWER DENSITY TO THE WEST, MOVING TO THE EAST, MOVING TOWARDS HIGHER TRAFFIC AREAS. 
          IF THIS PLAN WAS TO GO THROUGH WITH THREE STORY BUILDINGS ON THE FAR LEFT HAND OF THE DEVELOPMENT, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT YOU'LL BE HAVING ANOTHER ZONING MEETING WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THREE HOUSES PER ACRE TO THE WEST. 
          AND THAT MEETING IS GOING TO BE, OH, BUT THERE ARE THREE STORY APARTMENTS THERE. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE APARTMENTS. 
          SO THE OTHER TWO ELEMENTS IN HERE IS TO THE SOUTH, THE CITY AND THE ENVISION PLAN HAS A LARGE GREEN PARK AREA TO GIVE ACCESS TO THE WOODS AND MAKE IT A FOCAL POINT, KIND OF, I THINK PROBABLY ALONG THE LINE OF I GLACIER RIDGE. 
          UM, MOST OF THAT PROPERTY HAS FIVE APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN IT PER THIS PLAN. 
          AND IT WOULD SEEM THAT THIS, THAT I'M SURPRISED THE CITY ISN'T JUST IN THERE GOING, NOPE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT AS A PARK. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A PARK. 
          THE OTHER THING IS THE SETBACKS ALONG COS GRAY, THE SETBACK GOES TO THE BACK OF THE FARMHOUSES. 
          AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK HERE THAT THE SAME THING IN THE PLAN IS THE SAME WAY. 
          BUT IN THAT AREA, THE, THE, THE DEVELOPER IS PLANNING TO PUT IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH IS GONNA COMPLETELY, WHICH IS GONNA LOSE THAT INTENDED CHARACTER. 
          I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE AND FOR CITY STAFF TO JUST GO TO THE, GO TO DEVELOPERS AND GO, IF IT DOESN'T FOLLOW THIS, THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO IT. 
          AND IF THE CITY'S NOT GONNA DO THAT, THEN THAT MEANS THERE'S FLEXIBILITY FOR THE INDUSTRIAL AREA TO THE EAST OF COS OR TO THE WEST OF COS GRAY. 
          AND THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S FLEXIBILITY TO THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT TO THE NORTH OF US OF NOR OF SHIRE RINGS. 
          SO THIS REALLY IS A TEST TO PLANNING AND ZONING BOTH TO CITY STAFF AND TO THE COMMITTEE ON IS THE FIDELITY TO THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN GOING TO BE HELD OR IS IT ONLY WHEN IT'S TO CONVENIENT FOR THE CITY? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? MINOR, JUST VERY QUICK BECAUSE MY HUSBAND SAID MOST OF IT, UH, LIZ LEVEL. 
          I LIVE AT 5 7 5 3 BONNEL LEE COURT. 
          JUST TWO THINGS. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T SEEM, AND THE CITY OF DUBLIN HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB WITH THE CITY. 
          THAT'S WHY WE LIVE HERE. 
          IT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          THEY'VE PLANNED SO WELL AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, UM, LIKE SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED THAT THIS AREA, AND I'LL SAY THE 4 3 0 1 6 SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT NEGLECTED WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN THINGS. 
          AND WHEN I HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT ALLOWING THREE STORY BUILDINGS, YOU DON'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE ELSE IN DUBLIN. 
          YOU DON'T SEE APARTMENT BUILDINGS BUILT THREE STORIES. 
          SO I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE IT'S BEING CONSIDERED. 
          AND SECONDLY, I THINK A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS ARE MADE NOW WITH PLANNING COMMISSIONS IN CITIES. 
          AND I KNOW THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS WANT ALL THIS MIXED USE. 
          NOT ALL OF US WANNA LIVE IN MIXED USE. 
          WE LIKE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          THAT'S WHY WE LIVE THERE. 
          IF I WANTED MIXED USE, I WOULD'VE LIVED IN B BRIDGE STREET. 
          UM, I THINK THEY NEED TO CONSIDER THAT WE LIKE BEING IN THIS BURBS. 
          WE CAN DRIVE, WE CAN GO THE PLACES WE WANNA GO. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ALL. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? 
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MY NAME'S PATTY MORLAN AND I LIVE IN BA THE COTTAGES IN ENTRE WOODS. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE OUR H-O-H-O-A MET WITH THE CONTRACTORS, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL 'CAUSE OF MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE MEETING. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED THAT I DON'T EVEN TRY TO GO OUT ON AVERY AND MAKE A RIGHT HAND, I MEAN A LEFT HAND TURN ANYMORE. 
          'CAUSE YOU CANNOT GET OUT. 
          YOU TAKE YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS IF YOU TRY TO DO THAT. 
          AND EVEN WITH THE ROUNDABOUT AND YOU PUT OFF, IF YOU PUT 719 UNITS IN THIS AREA, YOU CONSIDER THAT'D BE ABOUT 1,438 NEW DRIVERS PROBABLY MORE. 
          UM, AND THE TRAFFIC GOING THE OTHER WAY ON RINGS WILL BACK UP ALL THE WAY TO AMLIN AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS TRYING TO GET OUT ON COS GRAY AND RINGS. 
          SO BOTH COS GRAY AVERY AND RINGS ALL NEED TO BE FOUR LANES, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO ALL THIS BUILDING, YOU NEED TO DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST AND THEN BUILD. 
          BUT I AGREE WITH HER. 
          I DIDN'T COME OUT HERE TO LIVE IN APARTMENTS. 
          THE OTHER THING IS, IS THIS GOING TO BE SECTION EIGHT HOUSING? I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND I AGREE ABOUT THE RETAIL. 
          WE DON'T NEED RETAIL HERE. 
          WE HAVE RETAIL RIGHT WITHIN HALF A MILE, HALF A MILE LE OR LESS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. 
          SO THE RETAIL, I THINK IS JUST, AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME IN THE AREA IF YOU CAN'T EVEN MAKE A RIGHT OR LEFT TURN OR THERE'S NO PARKING. 
          AND I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR EVERYONE. 
          PLUS THE SCHOOLS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE EXTRA SCHOOLS FOR ALL THE CHILDREN. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          BUT I REALLY LOVE DUBLIN AND I, I HATE TO SEE ALL THIS GROWTH AND THEN WHAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT ON COS GRAVE'S MAKING ME I AS WELL, UM, PLEASE CONSIDER IT. 
          THANK YOU PATTY. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS CASE? YOUR MICROPHONE JUST TURNED OFF. 
          IT IS ON A TIMER, SO IF YOU COULD PRESS THE BUTTON TO TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON. 
          AND MS. BEAL, IF WE COULD RESET HIS TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DAVID ROWE. 
          5 7 4 9 TRAFALGAR LANE IN RE UM, AND, UH, WHILE I TALK, IF YOU COULD BRING UP THE SLIDE WITH THE PICTURES OF THE BUILDING FACADES, LIKE THE ARCHITECTURE OR THE TYPE OF BUILDINGS, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          UM, AND FORGIVE ME, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE PREPARED REMARKS. 
          I SCRAWLED NOTES WHILE WE WERE GOING ON. 
          I'M NOT AS EDUCATED ON THIS TOPIC AS PERHAPS I SHOULD BE. 
          SO BEAR WITH ME WHILE I JUST SCAN MY NOTES. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT WAS SAID BEFORE ME IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, WHO'S FOR OR AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I'M EITHER FOR OR AGAINST, UM, BUT THIS FARMLAND WILL BE DEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING SOMETIME. 
          UM, AND THIS MAY NOT BE THE BEST THING, BUT IT IS BETTER THAN A WALMART OR A SKYSCRAPER. 
          NO OFFENSE TO WALMARTS OR SKYSCRAPERS. 
          BUT, UM, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S EFFORT TO TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER. 
          I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RESIDENTS OF BALL ANDRE, THAT'S WHERE I LIVE. 
          UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE. 
          WE DON'T COME OUT FOR EVERYTHING, BUT WHEN WE ARE CONCERNED, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF HOMES IN THERE. 
          AND WHEN WE DO GET CONCERNED, WE COME OUT ENFORCED AS EVIDENCED BY OUR ATTEMPTED HOA MEETING THIS PAST WEEK. 
          UM, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT JUST RELYING ON CONSULTING WITH A FEW PEOPLE FROM THE BALANCER, HOA, BUT RATHER HAVE A MORE OPEN FORUM, UH, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD RECENT COMMUNICATION PROBLEMS WITH OUR HOA, UM, YEAH, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT HAD, UM, PICTURES OF THE BUILDINGS MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET THERE. 
          UM, YEAH, I WASN'T THINKING OF THAT ONE EITHER. 
          I WAS THINKING OF THIS ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, JUST A, A COMMENT, I'M SURE YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURAL DECISIONS ARE SUBJECTIVE, BUT THE ONE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT, THOSE BLOCKY, I, I DON'T KNOW, THOSE ARE THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE DON'T, THOSE SEEM OUT OF CHARACTER, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR ME. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOT SEE, UM, WELL MUCH LIKE OTHER PEOPLE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO NOT SEE A LOT OF DENSE RESIDENTIAL AND I CERTAINLY WON'T WANNA SEE NONDESCRIPT, BLOCKY APARTMENT BUILDINGS. 
          UH, HERE. 
          I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT I I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES GOING FOR HOW MUCH WERE THE DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES BE SOLD FOR? I IMAGINE THE DEVELOPER MUST HAVE CRUNCHED THE NUMBERS TO KNOW IF AND HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE. 
          SO I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW, UH, HOW MUCH EACH TYPE OF RESIDENCE I IS GOING TO, UM, GO FOR. 
          I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. 
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DESLER. 
          I THINK IT WAS THAT, UH, BROUGHT UP THE TOPIC OF BIKE LANES AND WALKING PATHS. 
          UM, GREATLY APPRECIATED WHEN THE DEVELOPMENTS AROUND HERE MAKE ROOM FOR THOSE. 
          SO IF THOSE CAN BE IN A PLAN, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE PART OF A PLAN, I'D LOVE TO TO SEE THAT. 
          AND THE POINT ABOUT TRAVERSING TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD, UH, IS, IS A GREAT ONE. 
          UH, AS WALKABLE AND AS BIKEABLE AS WE CAN MAKE ALL OF DUBLIN, I THINK WOULD BE APPRECIATED. 
          UM, 10 SECONDS LEFT. 
          I THINK THAT DID IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU DAVID. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? I, WITH THAT WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE HERE WHO DID NOT SPEAK. 
          AND SO THAT IS ALSO TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN THE COMMISSION DELIBERATES ON CASES. 
          UM, I DO WANT TO, UH, HAVE ADDRESSED A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE. 
          SO I'M GOING TO ASK STAFF, UH, TO TALK THROUGH WHAT ENVISION DUBLIN IS AND THE FREQUENCY AT WHICH THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS REFRESHED. 
          UH, AND THEN JOINTLY WITH THAT WHAT HAS BEEN AND WHAT HASN'T BEEN REZONED. 
          AND SO WHAT ACTIONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THE, THE ENVISION DUBLIN. 
          I HAVE A FEW ITEMS, BUT THOSE TWO WILL COVER TOGETHER. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE TO REMIND ME IN CASE I FORGET WHAT YOU ASKED. 
          SO THE COMMUNITY ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN WAS AN UPDATE TO OUR COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH IS DONE EVERY SEVEN TO 10 YEARS. 
          UM, SO THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS ADOPTED IN JULY, UM, OF LAST YEAR, UM, AFTER AN 18 MONTH PROCESS. 
          UM, IT WAS LARGELY LED BY A STEERING COMMITTEE THAT INCLUDED, UM, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, CITY COUNCIL ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD, AS WELL AS DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. 
          WE HAD SEVERAL AT LARGE, UM, RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL, UM, OR RESIDENTS. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAD A MEMBER OF THE DUBLIN SCHOOL BOARD, OR YES, DUBLIN SCHOOL BOARD AND HILLIARD CITY SCHOOL BOARD, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE, 'CAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP AS WELL, HOW HILLIARD'S BEEN ENGAGED, UM, WITH, BECAUSE THE SCHOOLS, UM, OR THE HOMES WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD, THOSE KIDS WOULD GO TO THE, TO HILLIARD SCHOOL. 
          SO THE, UM, THERE WERE REPRESENTATIVES, UM, FROM EACH OF THOSE GROUPS, AGAIN, INCLUDING HILLIARD, UM, AS PART OF THIS AND THAT PLANNING PROCESS REALLY LOOKED AT LAND USES CITYWIDE. 
          SO NOT JUST THIS PARTICULAR AREA OR THESE SPECIAL AREA PLANS, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          UM, AND HOW TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE MOST APPROPRIATE LAND USES ARE. 
          HOW ARE WE TRANSITIONING BETWEEN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, WE USE THE COMMUNITY PLAN EVERY DAY, UM, IN OUR WORK AND REALLY LOOK AT WHEN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT COMES FORWARD, LOOKING TO THAT PLAN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE. 
          SO WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR SOUTHWEST AREA AS WELL AS ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY. 
          UM, AND DEPENDING ON WHERE THOSE ARE IN THE STAGE, UM, A LOT OF THOSE HAVE BEEN LOTS OF CONCEPTS AND INFORMAL APPLICATIONS. 
          WE HAVE NOT HAD A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF REZONINGS. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, A LOT OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPOSALS, UM, FOR SURE HAVE JUST BEEN AT THIS SORT OF FEEDBACK STAGE. 
          UM, IT WAS MENTIONED THE REZONING, UM, THAT WAS AT CITY COUNCIL A WEEK OR SO AGO, UM, REGARDING THE WEST INNOVATION, AGAIN, THAT WAS IN FURTHERANCE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HAS OR HASN'T BEEN REZONED. 
          UM, I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS A THIRD PART TO YOUR QUESTION. 
          THOSE TWO PARTS WERE, WERE THE BEGINNING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, CAN YOU TALK THROUGH, WE ARE NOT GOING TO TALK FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. 
          THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT AS OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, CAN YOU GIVE, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGH LEVEL AS TO THE INTERACTION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS MM-HMM . 
          AND HOW THEY USE THE TOOLS PROVIDED IN THEIR DAILY PLANNING? SURE. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE, WE'RE LOOKING AT DENSITIES, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT, UM, WHAT THAT MEANS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IMPACTS ENROLLMENT AND HOW EACH OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS PLAN FOR THAT. 
          SO, UM, DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS AND HILLIARD ACTUALLY DO THEIR OWN PLANNING, UM, AND SORT OF ENROLLMENT PROJECTIONS. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, HAVING THOSE STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS, REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH OF THOSE DISTRICTS WAS REALLY BENEFICIAL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HERE'S WHAT THE DENSITY THAT'S PROPOSED AND ULTIMATELY RECOMMENDED IN THE PLAN HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THEIR PLANNING PURPOSES. 
          SO THEY USE THAT INFORMATION FROM OUR PLAN AND INFORM, USE THAT TO INFORM THEIR PROJECTIONS, UM, AS THEY MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO, THANK YOU, MSRA. 
          I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF, OF A BREAK, BUT YOU'RE NOT OFF THE HOOK YET. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I WANNA SWITCH OVER TO MR. BOGG. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. BOGGS, NOT JUST THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT, 
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IF ANY, PURVIEW THE CITY HAS IN SECTION EIGHT RENTAL OR OWNERSHIP OF PARCELS? GREAT. 
          UH, DIFFERENT ITEM. 
          WAS THERE ADDITIONAL? NO, IT WAS, OH, OKAY. 
          SO ON THE QUESTION OF RENTAL VERSUS HOME OWNERSHIP AND WHETHER, UH, HOUSING ACCEPTS OR DOES NOT ACCEPT SECTION EIGHT VOUCHER PAYMENTS, THE CITY'S REGULATORY AUTHORITY DEALS WITH LAND USE, WHETHER THAT BE RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND IT DEALS WITH DENSITY. 
          SO WHETHER THAT BE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS PER ACRE, AND IT ALSO ENTAILS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, SETBACKS, UM, UH, OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLANNING AND ZONING PROCESS, SUCH AS WHAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN AND ANY OTHER CITY IN THE STATE OF OHIO HAS, THEY DO NOT HAVE LEGAL PURVIEW TO DICTATE IN A PLANNING AND ZONING CONTEXT WHAT THE ECONOMIC ARRANGEMENT OF RENTAL OR HOME OWNERSHIP IS. 
          IF IT IS A RESIDENTIAL USE, THAT IS WHAT THE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL ULTIMATELY CONCERNS ITSELF WITH IN ADOPTING ANY REZONING OR DEVELOPMENT TEXT. 
          NOW, WHAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN ALSO DOES, BOTH WITH WHAT WE CALL STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICTS, SUCH AS LIKE A R ONE, CERTAIN TYPES OF RESIDENCES CAN BE BUILT IN AN R ONE DISTRICT. 
          THEY HAVE SETBACKS, THEY HAVE, UM, UH, SIDE YARD REQUIRED REAR YARD, ET CETERA. 
          THERE ARE EXTERIOR APPEARANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE TO HAVE A, A CERTAIN LEVEL OF FINISH QUALITY ON ANY GIVEN HOUSE. 
          AND IN A PLANNED DISTRICT, THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE SET FOR THE SPECIFIC PLAN DISTRICT THAT'S INVOLVED. 
          SO THINGS LIKE BUILDING MATERIALS, UM, FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE, UM, THERE MAY BE IN SOME PLACES ARCHITECTURAL EXAMPLES OR STYLES THAT ARE SPECIFIED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT. 
          AND SO THAT LARGELY DICTATES THE, UH, CALIBER OF BUILDING THAT YOU WILL GET FOR A PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU MR. BOX. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE'RE GONNA JUMP BACK OVER TO MS. ROUSH. 
          UM, I THINK I'M GONNA REVERSE ORDER ON WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO SINCE WE JUST STARTED WITH THE, THE QUALITY AND, AND WHAT IS REQUIRED. 
          UH, WE DID HAVE A QUESTION EARLIER OR COMMENT EARLIER ON, UM, ONUS OR, OR BURDEN OF MAINTENANCE. 
          SO CAN YOU TALK THROUGH, UH, HOA VERSUS CITY OWNERSHIP? AT WHAT POINT THAT IS DETERMINED ALONG WITH ANY AMENITIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AND WHO OWNS, OPERATES AND MAINTAINS THOSE? SO THAT IS TYPICALLY, UM, RELATED TO THE RESERVE AREAS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS. 
          THAT IS TYPICALLY DECIDED AS PART OF THE REZONING APPLICATION AND THEN SOMETIMES FURTHER REFINED WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, THAT IS PART OF THIS, THE DISCUSSION, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO THOSE NEXT PHASES ABOUT WHO'S GONNA OWN IT AND WHO'S GONNA MAINTAIN IT. 
          UM, IF WE HAVE HISTORICALLY STORM WATER PONDS, UM, ARE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY, UM, AGAIN, THE OPEN SPACE AND HOW MUCH OF THAT, UM, AREA THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WITHIN IT, THAT SOMETIMES IS UP FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATE DETERMINATION AS PART OF THAT REZONING. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL OPEN SPACE AND HOW THAT HAPPENS, BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, UM, THROUGH THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND COUNCILS VERY, UM, VERY, UM, KEYED INTO MAKING SURE THAT HOAS ARE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT, THAT FORCED AND FUNDED HOA THAT TYPICALLY COMES THAT LANGUAGE, UM, WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, UM, IS MEANT TO ADDRESS THAT SO THAT THERE IS AWARENESS OF THAT AND UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BOGGS, BACK OVER TO YOU ON, UM, CITY'S PURVIEW OR INVOLVEMENT, OR LACK THEREOF ON PRICING. 
          AND, UM, LET, LET'S KIND OF TIPTOE INTO IT. 
          UH, TYPES OF PRODUCTS WITHIN THE CITY AND PRICING OF PRODUCTS, THOSE ARE DISPARATE, BUT THE PUBLIC KNOWS SOMETIMES THEY 
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ARE CORRELATED. 
          SO THROUGH ITS THROUGH EXERCISES LIKE ENVISION DUBLIN AND COMMUNITY PLANNING, THE CITY ESTABLISHES CERTAIN GOALS FOR A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, JUST LIKE IT HAS GOALS FOR A VARIETY OF, UM, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE ANY REGULATORY, UH, RESPONSIBILITY OR REALLY EVEN AUTHORITY OVER THE PRICING OF ANY HOUSE OR ANY APARTMENT OR ANY OFFICE SPACE THAT IS A FUNCTION OF WHATEVER THE LOCAL MARKET IS FOR THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE AND OUR PRICING SYSTEM, VALUE, LOCATION, FINISH, AGE, ET CETERA. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BOX. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND MY LAST ONE, BUT THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSION TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO CLARIFY BASED ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UH, I, I'VE WORKED WITH CITY GOVERNMENT A LONG TIME. 
          PUDS ARE VERY DIFFICULT FOR, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT REALLY TAKES EXERCISE, IT TAKES EXPERIENCE IN WORKING WITH PUDS TO SEE WHY THEY EXIST AND WHAT THEIR VALUE IS. 
          UM, MS. ROUSE, YOU'VE BEEN WITH CITI FOR A LONG TIME. 
          CAN YOU GIVE, WHETHER IT'S OUR CITY OR ANY OTHER CITY, KIND OF A 30,000 FOOT OVERVIEW OF WHEN PUDS WORK WELL AND WHY THEY WORK? WELL, I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING A TEST. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, THE GOAL, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES MENTIONED THAT, UM, A PUD IS AGAIN TAKING THAT. 
          WE HAVE, AS THAD MENTIONED, STANDARD DISTRICTS WHICH HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A LEVEL OF STANDARDS, UM, THAT ARE INTENDED TO START ACHIEVING THAT CHARACTER. 
          A PUD ALLOWS FOR A MUCH MORE INTENSE CONVERSATION, UM, AND, AND NEGOTIATION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR, FOR A PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THAT'S RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL OR, OR OTHERWISE. 
          AGAIN, BEING INFORMED BY THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT CHARACTER AND AESTHETICS THAT WE WANT TO SEE WITHIN ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, IS ACHIEVED. 
          SO THAT PUD REALLY HELPS US, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HELP ACHIEVE, UM, AN EVEN GREATER STANDARD THAN THE CODE, UM, WOULD REQUIRE UNDER A STANDARD DISTRICT. 
          SO, AND IT'S EVOLVED OVER TIME. 
          AGAIN, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 21 YEARS, SO, UM, DEVELOPMENT TECHS FROM, YOU KNOW, 1970S EIGHTIES, WHICH WAS OBVIOUSLY BEFORE MY TIME TO NOW ARE MUCH, WE'VE, WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT AND REALLY UNDERSTANDING, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT REQUIREMENTS HELP MAKE A QUALITY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, AGAIN, REALLY WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ACHIEVED. 
          SO THANK YOU MS. ROUSH. 
          SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, BASED ON THE, THE QUESTIONS OR THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU'D LIKE THE COMMISSION OR STAFF TO ANSWER BEFORE WE ENTER INTO DELIBERATION? MS. HARDER? UH, YES. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY 'CAUSE I HAD WRITTEN DOWN FROM MY NOTES ABOUT HOMEOWNERS IN THEIR PERSONAL MEETINGS WITH THE DEVELOPERS CAN ASK THE INTENTIONS OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE HOMES, APARTMENTS, AND SO FORTH. 
          CORRECT. 
          RIGHT THERE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT STOPS A HOMEOWNER FROM ASKING THAT QUESTION TO THE DEVELOPER. 
          TO THE DEVELOPER. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. 
          ANYONE ELSE FROM THE COMMISSION? MS. ROUSH? CAN I ASK CHRIS TO CLARIFY, UM, THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE DENSITY AND WHAT THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, UM, RECOMMENDS AND I WOULD, IF YOU WOULD ALLOW IT, ALLOW HIM TO SORT OF EXPLAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IN LEVEL OF DENSITY AND HOW THAT WAS INTENDED TO TRANSITION. 
          YES. 
          BUT COULD YOU START WITH TOP DOWN, SO HOW THE COMMUNITY PLAN THEN LENDS INTO THE SPECIAL AREA DISTRICT AND, AND SOMETIMES THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE CONFLICTING BUT THEY'RE NOT. 
          SO CAN YOU STEP THROUGH THAT? YEP. 
          SO WITHIN THE FUTURE LAND USE SPECIFICALLY THINK POINTING TO THIS MIXED RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, WHICH IS A PEACH ORANGE COLOR. 
          YOU CAN SEE LARGE SWATHS OF IT THAT HAS THAT RECOMMENDED DENSITY OF BETWEEN THREE AND 12 ACRES. 
          IT'S NOT THE INTENT THAT THAT DISTRICT CONTAINS EVERYTHING AT 12 ACRES. 
          IT'S DOWN TO THOSE SPECIAL AREA PLANS AND FURTHER GUIDANCE IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN TO HELP, UM, DESCRIBE HOW OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PLAN, LIKE TRANSITIONING FROM EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY OR LOWER DENSE DENSITY AREAS TO MORE INTENSE AREAS OR MORE COMMERCIAL AREAS. 
          SO WHERE THERE'S THAT BLANKET MIXED RESIDENTIAL MIXED DENSITY, THAT SPECIAL AREA PLAN THEN PROVIDES THAT ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF GUIDANCE. 
          YOU CAN SEE HERE IT'S AN ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN. 
          SO IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE, UM, TAKEN LITERALLY. 
          IT'S AN 
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EXAMPLE OF HOW ONE MIGHT APPLY THE COMMUNITY PLANS, FUTURE LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION ELEMENTS. 
          IT'S SHOWING A MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT TOWARDS THE SOUTH AND EAST, ALONG AVERY AND THE FUTURE TU CROSSING EXTENSION. 
          AND THEN IT STEPS DOWN IN DENSITY, LOWER DENSITY AS YOU GET TOWARDS RINGS ROAD AND TO WHERE BALL TRAY AND KRAMER'S CROSSING AND THE FOLKS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF RINGS ROAD. 
          'CAUSE THOSE ARE ESTABLISHED AREAS. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN WANTS TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE'RE PRESERVING, UM, OUR EXISTING AND ENHANCING OUR EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY AREAS OR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WILL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, SO THE, THE TIME IS NOW THE COMMISSIONS AND JUST LIKE WITH QUESTIONS, I'LL GO THROUGH ONE BY ONE WITH THE COMMISSION. 
          WE DO ASK THAT ANY REACTIONS OR APPLAUSE BE HELD UNTIL THE VERY END, IF AT ALL. 
          UH, SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH AND ONTO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM AS WELL. 
          I'M GONNA FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS. 
          SO, MR. GARVIN, I'M GONNA START WITH YOU THIS EVENING FOR, UM, DISCUSSION AND STAFF DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE CRAYONS ON PAPER AT THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          SO THIS IS AN IDEA. 
          LET'S SEE IF THE SPAGHETTI STICKS. 
          LET'S SEE WHAT, WHAT FEEDBACK WE HAVE TO THE DEVELOPER OR TO STAFF ON THIS PLAN. 
          BUT STAFF PROVIDES THESE QUESTIONS TO KIND OF KEEP US IN THAT FRAME OF MIND. 
          UH, A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF ENGINEERS OR SIMILAR BRAINS UP HERE AND WE LIKE TO GET DOWN TO, INTO THE DETAILS. 
          THIS IS AS MUCH FOR US AS IT IS FOR ANYONE ELSE, MR. GARVIN. 
          WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATIONS BY STAFF AND BY THE DEVELOPERS AND ALSO ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UM, I THINK I CAN GET MOST OF MY THOUGHTS OUT USING THIS FRAMEWORK. 
          SO I'LL GO DOWN THE QUESTIONS ONE BY ONE. 
          UM, SO ON THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK, I HINTED AT SOME OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT USEFULNESS, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE STORM WATER GARDENS. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT ACTIVATED MORE. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, I THINK WE HEARD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT AMENITIES NEARBY BEING OVERBURDENED ALREADY. 
          I THINK THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT ATTRACTS AMENITIES. 
          I MEAN, THAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE THROUGH AMENITIES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT SOMETHING LIKE THE MAZE IS A VERY INTERESTING AND, UH, UNIQUE IDEA. 
          IT COULD BE A GREAT IDEA. 
          UH, I WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE MAINTENANCE OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, NATURAL MATERIALS, UM, ACTIVATING THE PONDS THROUGH, YOU KNOW, A SMALL PIER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, COULD HAVE SOME USEFULNESS. 
          BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT OF CONSIDERATION ABOUT WHAT'S REALLY AN ACTUAL USEFUL SPACE BECAUSE, UM, AS YOU'VE DESIGNED THIS, THERE IS A LOT OF DENSITY THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO A LOT OF THAT SPACE. 
          UM, SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHARACTER OF THE MIS MIXED USE SUB AREA. 
          UM, SO POTENTIALLY ON THE AVERY ROADSIDE I'D, I'D NEED TO SEE KIND OF MORE DETAIL. 
          THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE TO ME BETWEEN THOSE TWO STORY SHOPS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, THE KIND OF FULLY USED THREE STORY LOCATIONS WHERE YOU'RE TRYING AND, AND WHAT TYPES OF BUSINESSES THOSE WOULD ATTRACT. 
          UM, SO THAT FOR ME REALLY DEPEND MORE ON THE DETAIL AS WE DRILL DOWN TO WHAT THOSE, UH, BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE. 
          BUT IN TERMS OF A GENERAL USE, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I, I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF COMMERCIAL USE ALONG THAT EDGE, UM, BUT MAYBE IN A MORE LIMITED WAY THAN YOU'VE GOT SHOWN, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL SUB AREAS. 
          SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN. 
          UM, I MENTIONED SUB AREA FOUR TO YOU BEING ABOVE THAT MAXIMUM. 
          I DON'T THINK THE MAXIMUM IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TARGET ON ALL OF THESE. 
          I KNOW THAT THERE'S A FINE LINE BETWEEN THE FINANCIALS OF A PROJECT AND WHAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH, UM, AND, AND MAINTAINING THE VALUE OF THOSE UNITS. 
          BUT, UM, FOR ME, I, I THINK EVEN 12 MIGHT BE MORE THAN I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING OVER THAT IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR FOR ME. 
          UM, I WOULD ALSO ECHO ECHO ONE OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE, UH, FROM ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ABOUT THE TRANSITION, UM, ON THAT, I GUESS IT WOULD BE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. 
          UM, IT'S A, IT'S ABRUPT TO GO TO THOSE, UM, KIND OF CLUSTER HOMES INTO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          SO IN GENERAL, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DENSITY LOWERED FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, ALTOGETHER, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED STREET NETWORK. 
          I MENTIONED THE, UH, IMPORTANCE OF TUTTLE CROSSING. 
          IT WAS ALSO ECHOED BY OTHER COMMENTS THAT, UH, IF, IF YOU START ADDING IN PEOPLE BEFORE THAT, THAT THOROUGHFARE IN PARTICULAR IS THERE, IT WILL PUSH PEOPLE TO ALL THOSE OTHER DIRECTIONS THAT BRING CONCERNS TO AN ALREADY STRAINED NETWORK OF STREETS AROUND THERE. 
          SO 
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AS WE GET INTO THE NEXT STEPS, I WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, A LOT DONE WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO MITIGATE THE TRAFFIC AROUND THERE. 
          THAT IS ALREADY IS MENTIONED ALREADY AN ISSUE. 
          UM, LET'S SEE HERE. 
          SUPPORTIVE OF THE TRANSITIONS IN BUFFERING. 
          UM, GENERALLY, YES. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN USE YOUR STORM WATER. 
          I THINK THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE, UM, A WAY TO ACTIVATE THOSE EDGES. 
          IT SHOULDN'T BE A CLOSED OFF BARRIER. 
          AND I THINK FOR THE MOST PART I'VE SEEN THAT. 
          UM, AND THE THEME IN ARCHITECTURAL INSPIRATION, AGAIN, I NEED A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. 
          UH, BUT, BUT YES, FROM THE GENERAL STYLE, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT IF IT, UH, TRANSITIONS INTO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THERE. 
          UM, YEAH, SO GENERALLY MY, MY FEEDBACK WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE PHRASE APPROPRIATE FOR THE MARKET. 
          I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF DEMAND IN THE AREA FOR, UM, I GUESS SMALLER SQUARE FOOTAGE HOUSING. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY CONSIDERATION. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE TO, UH, KIND OF LOOK AT HOW THAT DENSITY BLENDS BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND RIGHT NOW FOR ME IT'S TOO ABRUPT AND A LITTLE BIT, UH, TOO HEAVY OVERALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CARPEN. 
          MR. DESLER, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTARY. 
          YOU KNOW, A COUPLE THINGS OUT AT THE OUTSET, THIS IS NOT, UH, AN EASY SITE TO DEVELOP AND I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF IT. 
          AND I THINK FROM THE PUBLIC'S PERSPECTIVE, AT THE SAME TIME, WHILE EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT NOT DEVELOPED, THERE'S GONNA BE SOMETHING DEVELOPED. 
          AND SO IT'S OUR ROLE TO TRY TO MAKE THAT THE BEST WITH YOUR INPUT. 
          AND THEN WITH THAT APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, I'LL, I'LL RUN DOWN THE LIST TO MAKE IT EASIER. 
          THE OPENS FRAMEWORK, I'M, I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF. 
          I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL UTILIZATION OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND PARK ACCESS. 
          IT, IT JUST SEEMS TOO SEPARATED, FRANKLY, A AS IT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED. 
          THE AREA ALONG THIS IS RELATIVE TO NUMBER TWO, THE AREA ALONG AVERY. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS MY FIRST LOOK AT THIS 'CAUSE I WASN'T HERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          IT JUST APPEARS DISJOINTED. 
          I THINK THE PUBLIC COMMENTARY ABOUT THE TYPE OF RETAIL OR OFFICE SPACE IS ON POINT. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE EXPECTATION HERE IS. 
          I THINK WE NEED ADDITIONAL DETAIL. 
          AND I DO AGREE WITH WHAT MR. ALEXANDER SAID THAT IT, IT WAS, THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL FRONTAGE ON AVERY. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT RETAIL COULD BE THERE. 
          ARE WE THINKING LIKE MAYBE LIKE A DAYCARE OR SOMETHING? OR LIKE A, A SALON? I GUESS THAT'S THE TYPE 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA PROBABLY FIND OFFICE SPACE IN THIS, IN THIS AREA. 
          I AT LEAST I DOUBT IT. 
          UM, IT'LL JUST SIT VACANT. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL SUB AREAS, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT, WHAT DAN SAID ON THE, THE SOUTHERN PORTION. 
          I, BASED ON THE WAY THAT THE PROPOSED TU CROSSING CONNECTION IS, IT FEELS LIKE THAT BOTTOM PORTION SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF APARTMENTS, BUT I THINK IT'S TOO DENSE AS CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT REDUCED. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT, IT, THE WHOLE CONCEPT FEELS, AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT DISJOINTED WITH THAT SEPARATED, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY THE PLACE THAT WORKS IF WE'RE THINKING SOME TYPE OF APARTMENTS. 
          THE OTHER SUB AREA, I THINK IT WAS ONE, WAS WHERE THE PRIMARY PIECES WERE. 
          I'M NOT A FAN OF THE SINGLE HOMES FRONTING RINGS ROAD. 
          IT FEELS FORCED. 
          IT, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO CONCEPTUALIZE AT LEAST THOSE FIRST FEW HOMES THAT ARE ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PULL ON RINGS. 
          I DON'T, I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME BETTER. 
          I, I'M NOT SURE. 
          MAYBE MORE FRONTAGE TO BLOCK THE MORE DENSE HOMES. 
          OH, REAL QUICK, GOING BACK I ON, ON THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AS IS. 
          WE HAVE, YOU HAVE THIS, THIS MAZE. 
          I KNOW YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THAT. 
          I KNOW THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT. 
          I THINK YOU COULD DO SOME, SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED A MAZE THERE. 
          IT COULD BE SOME TYPE OF OPENING WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GENERATING INTEREST INTO THE COMMUNITY AREA. 
          THE, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE, THE TYPE OF HOMES THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED HERE. 
          I DO NOT THINK THERE SHOULD BE DUPLEXES. 
          I ALSO DO NOT THINK OF THE, UH, LEMME GET THE NAME WRONG. 
          WHAT WERE THOSE CLUSTER HOMES? IS THAT RIGHT? IT, IT JUST 
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DOESN'T FIT. 
          I I, I LIKE THE TOWN HOME IDEA AND I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME SINGLE FAMILY CONDOMINIUMS OR, YOU KNOW, PLAYING OFF OF SOME OF THE CONDOMINIUMS THAT ARE IN BALANCE TRAY. 
          THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD LOOK NICER. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA REDUCE YOUR DENSITY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD FIT MORE APPROPRIATELY IN THIS AREA. 
          THE, THE TRANSITIONS AND THE BUFFERING AND THEN THE S THE, UH, STREET NETWORK. 
          I THINK WITH, BASED ON MY RECOMMENDATIONS, I'M GONNA IN NEED TO SEE ADDITIONAL DETAIL COMING BACK. 
          BECAUSE IF WE'RE CHANGING SOME OF THIS, I CAN'T GIVE FEEDBACK ON SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE CHANGED. 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PROVIDE SOME MORE CONCEPTS RELATIVE TO THE BUFFERING AND TRANSITIONS. 
          THE OTHER PIECE ON THE STREET NETWORK, I DON'T KNOW, AND THIS IS PROBABLY FOR THE CITY IF WE'RE LEAVING RINGS ROAD AT, AT TWO LANES, I, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA BE POSSIBLE. 
          I GOTTA TELL YOU WITH, WITH WHAT WE'RE THINKING HERE. 
          SO MAYBE WHEN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY COMES OUT, I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THE CONCERNS WITH SOME OF THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS. 
          WE'LL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL ON THAT DOWN THE LINE. 
          I'M GONNA HOLD OFF, UH, COMMENTS ON THE THEME ITSELF BECAUSE I THINK THAT'LL POTENTIALLY CHANGE IF YOU MAKE CHANGES. 
          UH, I DID LIKE SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURE THAT WAS PROPOSED. 
          I THOUGHT IT, IT, IT LOOKED OKAY. 
          AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T SEEN SPECIFICS ON MATERIALS, BUT, UH, I'M GOOD FROM THAT STANDPOINT. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU MR. TESLER. 
          MR. ALEXANDER, THIS IS WHERE IT GETS CONFUSING BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME DIFFERENT INFORMATION HERE. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT I APPRECIATE IS EACH OF THE SUB AREAS HAS ITS OWN SPACE THAT GIVES THAT COMMUNITY A CENTER AND A FOCUS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S VERY POSITIVE AND CAN HELP GIVE EACH OF THE SUB AREAS IDENTITY. 
          WHERE I THINK IT'S, IT COULD BE STRENGTHENED IS HOW THAT AREA IS LINKED AND CONNECTED TO ON AVERY ROAD. 
          AND, AND I, I THINK OF SOMETHING LIKE A, A GREENWAY THAT'S IN OUR CODE THAT MAYBE IS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF TUTTLE THAT ALL OF THOSE SPACES CONNECTS TO, THAT WOULD SOLVE CONCERNS ABOUT GETTING TO THE FIELDS AS WELL. 
          AND THAT COULD TIE ALL OF THOSE SPACES TOGETHER. 
          AND I DO THINK, BECAUSE I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO DUBLIN ROAD AND I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE USING THAT SHARED USE PATH, AND I DO THINK PEOPLE WILL MOVE ALONG THAT IF, IF IT'S SOME KIND OF PATH THAT WOULD CONNECT THE AREAS DEEPER IN THE SITE TO THE AREAS ON AVERY, BECAUSE PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ARE WALKING OVER TWO MILES ON THE WEEKEND TO GET DOWN TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ALONG THE PATH. 
          SO I DO THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE SHORTCOMINGS I THINK OF THE PLAN IS HOW THE PIECES GO TOGETHER. 
          UM, AVERY ROAD FRONT, AS YOU ALREADY HEARD MY COMMENTS BEFORE, I I, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE THE MAZE AND THE WATER FEATURE AT THE ROUNDABOUTS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET ACCESS TO THOSE. 
          AND IF, AND IF WE LOOK AT OTHER EXAMPLES IN DUBLIN, PEOPLE DON'T PUT THEIR BUILDINGS AT THE ROUNDABOUTS. 
          THEY HAVE TO MOVE THE BUILDINGS AWAY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET ACCESS. 
          BUT I DO THINK THERE COULD BE MORE MASS, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, ALONG AVERY, UM, I'M FINE WITH THE DENSITY IN THE SOUTH BECAUSE WHAT I THINK THE PLAN DOES REALLY WELL IS IT TRANSITIONS FROM THE USE OF COLUMBUS AND THE MASSING IN COLUMBUS ACROSS THE SITE TO THE NORTH TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS. 
          AND I THINK THAT DOES VERY WELL. 
          THE PLAN DOES THAT WELL, AND I THINK I'M FINE WITH THAT DENSITY BECAUSE YOU'RE UNDER DEVELOPING THE REST OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THE REST OF THE SITE. 
          SO IF YOU ACTUALLY WENT TO THE LIMIT IN THAT AREA, YOU'D BE FAR, HAVE FAR MORE UNITS THAN YOU HAVE ON THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I, I DON'T THINK, SINCE YOU'RE ONLY OVER ONE, BUT YOU'RE WAY UNDER IN THE OTHER AREAS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UM, AND FOR ME, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. 
          I, I, I SHARE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, AND I THINK THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE VERY TELLING. 
          I DO THINK, I, I THINK THE, THE, UM, CONNECTION OF TUTTLE IS CRITICAL TO MAKING THIS WORK BECAUSE I, I THINK YOUR STREET NETWORK, THE DIFFERENCE, AND YOU'VE POINTED OUT, EVERYONE'S POINTED OUT BETWEEN YOUR EARLIER PRESENTATION, AT LEAST WHAT WE'VE, WHAT I'VE SEEN ON PAPER, AND THIS ONE IS YOU HAVE SO MANY CONNECTIONS ACROSS THE SITE, NOT THROUGH THE PONDEROSA DEVELOPMENT, BUT I THINK RING OR OR WHEN TUTTLE'S DONE THAT COULD REALLY EASE SOME OF THE PRESSURE ON THE NORTH PART OF THE SITE. 
          UH, BUT I THINK THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S CRITICAL THAT THAT'S A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE TRANSITIONS 
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IN BUFFERS. 
          I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THE LINKAGE, THE, UM, THE THEME AND THE CHARACTER. 
          I  I SHARE THE ONE APPLICANT'S OR THE ONE, UM, MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE'S, UM, CONCERN ABOUT THAT ONE PARTICULAR IMAGE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER. 
          BUT I HAVE A FEELING WHY THAT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE, UM, IN CERTAIN SETTINGS THAT WORKS GREAT, BUT I THINK WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO A TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURE, MAYBE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR. 
          UM, SO YEAH, THOSE ARE MY MAJOR, MY MAJOR COMMENTS ABOUT IT. 
          SO THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDRA, MS. HARDER, UH, EVERYONE, THANK YOU FOR COMING, IS THIS IS A, A PROCESS AND, UM, YOU'RE PART OF THE PROCESS AND WE NEED YOU ALL HERE. 
          WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, SO IF I'M LOOKING AT IT, I WANTED TO, THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN TALKS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF, UM, THE NATURAL FEATURES. 
          AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, MORE OF THAT, UM, IN THIS AS WELL TOO, INCORPORATING EXISTING ALL THE TREES THAT ARE THERE. 
          THERE'S PLACES WHERE WE'RE GETTING RID OF SOME, SOME TREES THAT WE PROBABLY COULD USE. 
          SOME OF THE BUFFERS, LIKE WITH PONDEROSA ONE SIDE, YOU GOT THE WATER HAPPENING AND IT SEEMS LIKE A NICE BUFFER, BUT MAYBE ON THE OTHER SIDE NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTENTION. 
          AND ALSO WE TALKED ABOUT THE DETENTION AND RETENTION PONDS, UM, AND, UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF THEM. 
          THEY'VE GOTTA BE HIGH QUALITY AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A PURPOSE. 
          AND WHEN COMING BACK, WE NEED TO FEEL THAT PURPOSE OF, OF WHERE ALL THIS IS GOING. 
          UM, AND IT'S ALSO ABOUT THINKING OUTTA THE BOX ON THAT AS WELL TOO. 
          AND THE CITY HAS SPENT TIME ON COMING UP WITH IDEAS ABOUT THAT TOO. 
          SO, UM, I'M OKAY ABOUT THE, THE, THE FOUR ACRES OF OPEN SPACE FOR THE REC. 
          I I THINK THAT FITS IN WHERE WE'RE GONNA NEED IT AND SO FORTH, JUST SO THAT IT IS, UM, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          I ALSO THINK THAT, UM, THE SAFETY AND WALKABILITY IS, UH, QUITE IMPORTANT AS, AS WE SPEAK THROUGH THIS TOO. 
          UM, THEN ALSO WITH THE CHARACTER AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I DO THINK THAT THE OFFICE MULTIFAMILY AND RESIDENTIAL WORK TOGETHER WHERE THAT SECTION IS, BUT, UM, AND I'M GONNA SAY THIS THROUGHOUT, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE, UM, JUST, UH, HOMES AND SO FORTH THAT ARE THERE, THE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT PART WOULD NOT LOOK AS AWKWARD ON THAT OTHER SIDE. 
          UM, THERE ARE SOME CONVENIENCES TO THE SHOPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND MAKING ALL THAT WORK. 
          AND IT'S A, IT'S BRINGING, UM, NEIGHBORS CONNECTED AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A NICE EXPERIENCE, UM, WITH THAT TOO, UM, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, AND SO FORTH. 
          I GUESS I'M GETTING TO THAT POINT HERE TOO, UM, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING, UM, THAT, THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE LARGER LOTS, UM, THE DETACHED HOMES, UH, UH, SINGLE, UH, FAMILY HOMES ADJACENT TO RING RINGS ROAD WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          BUT IF WE HAD MORE, I THINK MAYBE THAT WOULD ALSO MAKE IT NOT LOOK AS AWKWARD. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, SUPPORTING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEIGHBORS, UM, THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE EXISTING THERE, UH, AND HELPING THEM THROUGH, ESPECIALLY PONDEROSA. 
          AND I KNOW THE CITY SPENDS TIME WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, THAT THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT THEY HAVE AND THAT NEIGHBORS ARE ASKING FOR THAT. 
          AND WHEN YOU'RE HAVING YOUR MEETINGS, YOU CAN ASK FOR THEM TO COME TO THOSE MEETINGS AS WELL TOO, AS WELL AS THE CITY. 
          AND THEY WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT TOO. 
          UM, AND I'M OKAY ABOUT THE DUPLEXES BECAUSE I THINK, UM, THEY ALSO, THERE'S BEEN SOME STUDIES AND THE CITY HAS TALKED ABOUT IT MORE FAMILIES ARE LIVING TOGETHER AND, AND HELPING EACH OTHER, ESPECIALLY WITH ISSUES OF, YOU KNOW, DAYCARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT MIGHT BE LOOKED AT THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH, WITH, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, LIKE THE, THE, THE, UM, BICYCLES AND THE PEDESTRIANS THAT, UM, WE KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT THIS AREA'S GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE OF THAT AND, UH, KEEPING PEOPLE, UH, SAFE THERE. 
          UM, ALSO, UM, I THINK ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING. 
          WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT, UM, IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES, UM, FOR BUFFERS OR FOR, UM, MOUNDING IS THE WORD I WANTED TO USE, AND TO SEE IF THAT IS SOMEPLACE WE COULD, UM, HAVE SOME SEPARATION AND ALSO, UM, SOME SAFETY ISSUES ON THAT AREA. 
          UM, IT, YOU KNOW, IT, THE DENSITY IS A CONCERN TO ME. 
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UH, I FEEL IT, YOU LOOK AT IT, IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO FIGURE THIS WHOLE AREA OUT. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I, I HAVE TO SAY THAT THEN I THINK ABOUT DENSITY AND WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSITION BETWEEN THAT AS WELL TOO. 
          SO, UM, I, I ENCOURAGE THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, I LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SO FORTH. 
          I THINK THE LANDSCAPING IS GONNA BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND THE NEXT TIME WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT LIKE, LIKE INTERESTING POCKETS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. 
          UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ARCHITECTURE, I, I, I, UM, UM, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THAT, I JUST NEED MORE, UM, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT TRANSITION'S GONNA BE LIKE AND WHAT THE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE LIKE. 
          AND I WANT THEM TO BE FUNCTIONAL. 
          I WANT PEOPLE TO FALL INTO THINGS AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANNA FORGET RINGS ROAD. 
          AND I, I'M SO GLAD EVERYONE'S MENTIONED THAT AND KNOW THAT THAT'S ON, ON THE MIND HERE AS WELL TOO. 
          AND WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS GOING TO OPEN THAT UP AS WELL TOO. 
          SO THAT'S, THANK YOU, MR. CHEN. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. 
          AGAIN, I, I'M GONNA ECHO A LOT OF COMMENTS YOU'VE HEARD, SO I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO, I DON'T WANNA GO OVER 'EM AGAIN, THANK, YOU'VE KIND OF GOT THE, GOT THE GENERAL IDEA, BUT I WILL SAY REALLY APPRECIATE THE INPUT FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING OUR, HOPEFULLY OUR APPLICANT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU GUYS, WHEN YOU CAME A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I WASN'T SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. 
          UM, AND I'M GETTING TO BE MORE SUPPORTIVE, BUT WE'RE STILL NOT QUITE THERE YET BASED ON A LOT OF, I'M NOT THERE YET BASED ON A LOT OF COMMENTS WE'RE HEARING. 
          I THINK THERE'S A BIT OF WORK STILL TO DO. 
          UM, I WILL JUST SAY ONE COMMENT, UM, OVERALL THOUGH, I THINK THE, THE IMPORTANCE OF A SITE LIKE THIS, OR THE SIGNIFICANCE OF A SITE LIKE THIS COULD BE SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY SPECIAL AND UNIQUE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON, AND I THINK WE TALK EVERY, EVERY MEETING WE TALK AT NA ABOUT TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC, THE BEST WAY TO ELIMINATE REDUCE TRAFFIC IS TO NOT HAVE TRAFFIC. 
          SO CREATING WALKABLE COMMUNITIES WHERE YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE, COFFEE SHOPS, MICRO BREWERIES, WHATEVER PEOPLE CAN WALK TO SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET IN THEIR CAR AND DRIVE AS THE SITE'S LAID OUT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET IN THEIR CAR AND DRIVE TO AVERY ROAD TO GET TO THE RESTAURANTS OR WHATEVER'S THERE. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. 
          I, THERE, THERE'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY HERE, I THINK, TO CREATE A REALLY, REALLY UNIQUE COMMUNITY THAT DOES HAVE SOME OF THAT TRUE MIXED USE INCLUSIVITY THAT CAN CREATE A REALLY NICE COMMUNITY OF WALK WALKABLE PATHS, WALKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE WE'RE GETTING CARS OFF THE ROADS. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO THINK ABOUT THE, THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING IN THE AREA AND CONNECTIVITY AND ALL THAT GREAT STUFF. 
          BUT I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A REALLY COOL OPPORTUNITY HERE, AND I THINK WE NEED TO MAYBE CONSIDER A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. 
          UM, AND I THINK SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, WE, I MENTIONED THE STREETSCAPE EARLIER ON THAT, THAT MAJOR CONNECTIVITY, I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT ACTIVATING, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, HAVING NICE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, ACTIVATING SOME OF THOSE REALLY NEAT STREET SCAPES YOU'VE GOT. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD, IN MY OPINION, THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD BONES HERE. 
          I THINK THERE'S, WE'RE GETTING THERE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO JUST KIND OF TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID AND, AND REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW THIS CAN BE A NICE PEDESTRIAN COMMUNITY OF A, I GUESS TRUE AND A TRUE MIXED USE SCENARIO. 
          THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. 
          I'M GONNA BOUNCE AROUND A LITTLE WITH MY COMMENTS. 
          UH, STARTING WITH STREET NETWORK. 
          I THINK THE STREET NETWORK'S GREAT. 
          YOU LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS AND THE CONCERNS FROM YOUR FUTURE NEIGHBORS AND FROM THE COMMISSION LAST TIME. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY IS IT NAVIGABLE, BUT IT'S ALSO SAFE. 
          AND SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING THOSE MODIFICATIONS AND FOR INCORPORATING THE TUTTLE CROSSING ALIGNMENT. 
          UH, UP TO NUMBER ONE, THE OPEN SPACE. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT CRAYONS, RIGHT? BUT NEXT STAGE, AND TO, TO CONTINUE THE METAPHOR, I GO CRAYONS TO DUPE, BLOW BLOCKS, LIKE THE BIG MASSING, HEY, WHAT ARE THE BUILDINGS GONNA LOOK LIKE? AND THEN TO THE LEGOS, WHERE ARE THE WINDOWS? WHAT TYPES OF MATERIALS? SO IT'S THAT, THAT STEPPING, WE'RE STILL AT CRAYONS, BUT THERE ARE SOME COMPONENTS THAT WILL INFLUENCE HOW WE GO NEXT. 
          EACH ONE OF THOSE OPEN SPACES, I AGREE WITH MR. ALEXANDER THAT, THAT EACH AREA NEEDS TO HAVE ITS OWN PROGRAMMED OPEN SPACE ELEMENTS, BUT I WORRY ESPECIALLY IN THAT SUB AREA, ONE, THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE TO CREATE VALUABLE OPEN SPACE AND TO CREATE ITS IDENTITY. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF HOMES IN THAT AREA. 
          AND SO CRAYONS THAT DOESN'T PASS THE, THE COLOR SHADE TEST FOR ME SO FAR IN THAT AREA, UH, THAT LENDS ITSELF INTO TRANSITION BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK THE TRANSITIONS ARE TOO FORCED. 
          BUT IF THE OPEN SPACE IS CHANGED AND THERE'S MORE SPACE TO PLAY WITH, THEN I THINK THAT THE TRANSITIONS WOULD 
          [02:20:01]
LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          UH, BACK TO THE, THE RESIDENTIAL SUB AREAS, UM, I, I WILL RESPECTFULLY COUNTER MR. LERS RINGS ROAD. 
          I THINK THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WE, WE DO THAT VERY SUCCESSFULLY WHERE WE FRONT HOMES ON ROADS, HIGHLAND CROIX, YOU SEE THAT QUITE A BIT IN THOSE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE IT'S HOMES FRONTING, IT'S A WIDER CORRIDOR. 
          THERE'S SETBACK FROM THE ROADWAY. 
          BUT I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN DIFFERENCES HERE IS THERE'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE TRANSITION AFTER A SINGLE HOME. 
          SO BEHIND THAT, IT DOESN'T TRANSITION TO A MORE INTENSE, MORE DENSE USE. 
          AND SO IF WE HAD MORE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY BEFORE WE TRANSITIONED INTO THAT MORE INTENSE, MORE DENSE USE, I THINK IT WOULD CHANGE THE FIELD, WHICH THEN LEADS TO RESIDENTIAL SUB AREAS THAT, THAT MASSING BY, BY MY CALCULATIONS, WE WENT UP, BUT WE WENT UP SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          SO I, AGAIN, MY NAPKIN MATH, SO IT'S NOT GOSPEL TRUTH, BUT I WENT FROM 719 RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO 807, AND WE HAD CONCERNS WITH DENSITY THE LAST TIME. 
          SO I, I HAVE EVEN MORE CONCERNS WHAT THAT DOES BECAUSE WE DID ADD ACREAGE, SO THAT'S NOT A DIRECT, YOU KNOW, UM, CHANGE. 
          BUT WE DID INCREASE FROM A 5.37 UNITS PER ACRE TO A 6.35 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          AND SO, AGAIN, I WAS ONE OF THOSE WHO WAS CONCERNED WITH DENSITY. 
          DENSITY ISN'T A BAD THING, PROPER USE OF DENSITY AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE FEATHERING DENSITY AWAY FROM CURRENT OWNERS. 
          YOU DON'T GO SINGLE FAMILY TO A THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER. 
          THAT'S JUST NOT GOOD PLANNING. 
          BUT DENSITY, ESPECIALLY WITH USING A-P-U-D-I, UH, I LIKE TO USE THE CORTISONE DEVELOPMENT. 
          IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE AND YOU'VE SEEN THAT REALLY INTENSE BUILDING, IT'S WHAT, FOUR OR FIVE STORIES TALL? IT'S, IT'S HIGH, BUT IT'S SURROUNDED BY THIS IMMENSE PARK. 
          THAT TO ME IS A PUD IN ACTION. 
          THE OVERALL DENSITY IS PROBABLY ONLY A TWO UNITS PER ACRE, BUT THEY'VE CLUSTERED AND THEY PUT THE INTENSITY ON ONE SIDE. 
          AND THE COMPROMISE WITH THAT IS YOU HAVE THIS MASSIVE, BEAUTIFUL OPEN PARK. 
          IF IT WERE STRAIGHT USE, THEN WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS HOME, HOME, HOME, HOME, HOME, POCKET PARK, HOME HOME, HOME HOME, HOME STREET. 
          AND SO THAT TO ME IS THE PROPER USE OF PUDS, THE PROPER USE OF THAT, GIVE AND TAKE, MAKING SURE THAT A, A AN OWNER OF A PROPERTY CAN DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY, BUT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE IS BENEFITED. 
          UH, THEN TRANSITIONING OUT OF RESIDENTIAL INTO THE COMMERCIAL, AGAIN, MY NAPKIN MATH, WE HAD 262,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE RETAIL SPACE, AND NOW WE HAVE 46,000, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK LENDS ITSELF TO THE UNIT COUNT. 
          ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, WE, WE TRADED ONE FOR THE OTHER. 
          UH, WE HAVE A HISTORY OF GOOD INTENTIONS WHERE WE THINK, HEY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS LITTLE TINY RESIDENTIAL SUPPORTED USE TO THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          WE HAVE ONE, I QUOTED HIGHLAND CROIX EARLIER, WELL, RIGHT ALONG THAT SAME AREA, WE, THAT SAME INTENTION AND FAST FORWARD YEARS LATER AND SOMEONE SAID, WELL, WE COULD NEVER DEVELOP THE COMMERCIAL. 
          WE WANT RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND SO WE, FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN. 
          AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PROPER STRUCTURE AND THAT SKELETON IN PLACE TO ALLOW THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. 
          FOR ME, THE CITY'S NOTHING IF NOT PATIENT. 
          AND SO THERE ARE AREAS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE BEEN GREEN FOR 30 YEARS THAT ARE NOW DEVELOPING. 
          WE HAVE A HOSPITAL GOING IN OFF OF SAWMILL THAT HAS BEEN GREEN. 
          WE'VE HAD APPLICATIONS AND IT WASN'T THE RIGHT FIT APPLICATIONS, IT WASN'T THE RIGHT FIT. 
          SO KNOW THAT, THAT WE ARE PATIENT, IT'S A TERRIBLE TIME TO OWN OFFICE SPACE. 
          BUT 2008, IT WAS A TERRIBLE TIME TO BUILD HOUSES. 
          AND WE CAME OUT OF THAT. 
          I COVERED, UH, OPEN SPACE TRANSITION COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL STREET NETWORK. 
          THE LAST ONE IS NEIGHBORHOOD THEME. 
          IN MY OPINION. 
          THE LAST THING WE NEED IN THIS AREA IS MORE BRIDGE PARK HOUSING BOXES THAT LOOK LIKE THEY BELONG IN BRIDGE PARK. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THOSE INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES THAT YOU HAVE TO EXIT STAGE LEFT. 
          THIS IS A SUBURBAN AREA. 
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IT IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          IT IS TRYING TO TRANSITION BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND MULTIFAMILY HOMES OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS. 
          AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT. 
          BUT WE ARE NOT THE CITY OF COLUMBUS. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE CITY OF COLUMBUS. 
          AND SO WE WANT TO LOOK LIKE DUBLIN. 
          AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE'RE IN 4, 3 0 1 6 OR 4, 3 0 1 7. 
          WE ARE DUBLIN. 
          THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, AS IS TYPICAL, I DO WANNA ASK THE APPLICANT, UM, WE, WE DON'T REOPEN THE MICROPHONE TO, TO START DISCUSSIONS OVER AGAIN, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE COMMISSION THAT WAS NOT CLEAR THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEEK CLARITY ON FROM WHAT YOU HEARD FROM THE SIX OF US THIS EVENING? NOPE. 
          WE, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK AND, UH, WE HAVE SOME HOMEWORK TO DO, SO APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANT TO STAY WITH US, WE HAVE ONE MORE AGENDA ITEM. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY. 
          IF YOU ARE LEAVING, WE DO ASK THAT YOU EXIT AND CONTINUE DOWN TOWARD THE DOORS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD EARLIER, BUT WE HAD ONE CONVERSATION GOING AND IT JUST ECHOES INSIDE. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR SPENDING SO MANY HOURS WITH US ON A THURSDAY EVENING. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME BACK. 
          ANYTIME. 
          REBECCA, CAN I REQUEST TO RECESS? YES, WE MAY HAVE A A HOW ABOUT SIX MINUTE? I THINK THAT WALKING TIME WE'RE GOOD. 
          SO WE'LL TAKE A SIX MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK FOR OUR FINAL ITEM. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          [Case #24-128PP]
WE ARE MOVING ON TO OUR FINAL AGENDA ITEM, IF I CAN FIND MY PROPER PAPER. 
          THIS IS CASE 24 DASH 1 28 PPP LU TRAIL PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          THIS IS A REVIEW REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR SEVEN SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND A RESERVE. 
          THE APPROXIMATE 13 ACRE SITE IS ZONED R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN, SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND IS LOCATED AT 7 1 9 2 DUBLIN ROAD. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT UP, MS. MUL. 
          MS. MULLINAX, ARE YOU DOING THE PRESENTATION? OKAY, PERFECT. 
          WELCOME. 
          UH, BEN SCHILLING, 1 22 SOUTH OTTERBEIN, WESTERVILLE, OHIO. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          UM, I WANNA FIRST THANK STAFF, UH, JOSH, HEIDI TAYLOR, AND UH, TAMMY AS WELL. 
          THEY'VE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO THANK THEM FIRST OF ALL. 
          BUT, UH, HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UM, LOU TRAIL, UM, AT 71 92 DUBLIN ROAD. 
          UH, SHOULD I, SO, UM, JUST A LITTLE INTRODUCTION OF OUR TEAM HERE. 
          UM, THE DEVELOPER IS, UH, MR. JASON LOU HERE TODAY. 
          UM, HE'S A, UH, DUBLIN RESIDENT SINCE 2003. 
          HE'S ALSO THE OWNER AND FOUNDER OF JL RESTAURANT, UH, DUBLIN LOCATION AND WORTHINGTON LOCATION. 
          UM, HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF THINGS WITH THE CITY. 
          UH, BEEN A SPONSOR FOR THE DUBLIN IRISH FESTIVAL SINCE 2004, UH, CHAIRMAN FOR THE SAME IN 2022. 
          AND THEN HE ALSO HOSTS THE, UH, THE LUNCH AFTER THE ST. 
          PATRICK'S DAY PARADE, UH, SINCE OH FIVE. 
          UM, I'M WITH, UH, AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT AS IS, UH, MATT LILLY AND, UH, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, KYLE ADAMS. UH, SO JUST A LITTLE, UH, AERIAL OF THE SITE. 
          UM, WE ARE NORTH OF, UH, IS THIS WORKING? I CAN'T EVEN SEE THAT. 
          WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE ON THE VARIOUS MONITORS, BUT IF YOU DIRECT MS. LINAC, SHE CAN DO WITH A CURSOR, WHICH THEN WOULD ALLOW HER US TO SEE ON ALL OF THE MONITORS. 
          SURE. 
          UH, I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT TWO 70 TO THE SOUTH THERE. 
          EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          UH, WE'RE JUST NORTH OF THAT, JUST SOUTH OF BRAND ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          UM, LEFT SIDE AERIAL JUST KIND OF GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE. 
          UM, IT'S JUST A SINGLE RESIDENCE THERE NOW. 
          UH, LOTS OF MATURE TREES, UH, ESPECIALLY UP AGAINST THE SIDE OF RIVER THERE. 
          UM, YEAH, UM, JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF, UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING VERSUS THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          UM, SO OUR SITE IS JUST OVER 12 ACRES. 
          UM, TO THE WEST IS LIKE, UH, COVENTRY WOODS. 
          UM, TO THE NORTH IS, UH, GALLOWAY ESTATES. 
          UM, THOSE 
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ARE RANGING BETWEEN HALF AN ACRE, ONE TO THREE ACRES. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UH, WE BELIEVE IN LINE WITH, WITH ALL OF THOSE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          SO WE HAVE OUR SMALLEST LOT IS, UH, 0.92 ACRES AVERAGE OF 1.51. 
          AND OUR LARGEST LOT, WHICH IS THE, UH, EXISTING RESIDENCE IS PROPOSED TO BE THREE ACRES. 
          I THINK WE'RE, UH, WE'RE IN LINE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND IF ANYTHING, THE 12 ACRE PROPERTY, UH, STICKS OUT. 
          UM, THIS IS A, UH, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN THAT I THINK IS IN YOUR MATERIALS. 
          JUST KINDA WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE WITH JUST THE, UH, BLACK AND WHITE PAPERS. 
          SO WANTED TO TRY TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, THE LOTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE, UH, LOU TRAIL IS THE PUBLIC ROAD THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE SITE THERE, ENDING IN A CUL-DE-SAC. 
          UH, WE HAVE SEVEN PRO PROPOSED LOTS. 
          UM, 79% OF THAT IS GREEN SPACE. 
          UH, AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE, THE GREEN THAT YOU SEE THERE. 
          UM, I ALSO HAVE LABELED THE, UH, THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, UH, UP AGAINST THE SIDE RIVER. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING NO IMPACT TO THAT FLOODPLAIN, EVEN WITH OUR STORM OUTLET. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UH, A CITY REQUIREMENT FOR A TURN LANE, LEFT HAND, UH, LEFT TURN LANE ON DUBLIN ROAD. 
          UM, WITH THAT WE ARE, UH, ALSO PROPOSING A, UH, 10 FOOT, UM, RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION ALONG DUBLIN ROAD, ALONG THE EAST SIDE THERE. 
          UM, SO THAT, ALONG WITH THE 40 FOOT SETBACK ALONG DUBLIN ROAD, UM, BRINGS US TO ABOUT 50 FEET, UH, FROM THAT EAST, UH, RIGHT OF WAY, LINE OF DUBLIN ROAD. 
          UM, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE EASEMENT ALONG DUBLIN ROAD. 
          UM, AND THEN IT'S NOT LISTED HERE, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN 83 FOOT, UH, STORM EASEMENT ALONG THE NORTH LINE AS WELL. 
          UM, JUST KIND OF DELVING INTO MORE OF THE SPECIFICS OF THE ENGINEERING. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE A, UH, 58 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY FOR LU TRAIL. 
          24 FEET OF THAT IS PAVED. 
          UM, SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS, EIGHT FOOT TREE LAWN, UH, LIKE I SAID, THE, UH, THE LEFT TURN LANE. 
          AND, UM, ASSOCIATED WIDENING ALONG DUBLIN ROAD. 
          UM, OUR STORM OUTLET, UH, TAYLOR, IF YOU COULD POINT TO LIKE THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, UM, STORM OUTLET IS ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF LOT FIVE. 
          UM, AND THEN I ALSO JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE, UM, THE EXISTING RESIDENCE DURING CONSTRUCTION WOULD NOT BE OCCUPIED, SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT NEEDING TO MAINTAIN ACCESS TO THAT, UH, TO THAT RESIDENCE DURING CONSTRUCTION. 
          UH, WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, COMPATIBILITY AND, UM, OUR ALIGNMENT WITH ENVISION DUBLIN. 
          UM, SO THE, THE DUBLIN ROAD CORRIDOR, UH, HAS A FEATURE LAND USE IN THIS AREA OF RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY. 
          UM, WE ARE PROPOSING 0.56, UH, DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH, UH, IS WITHIN THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT LAND USE. 
          UM, IT'S ALSO DESIGNATED AS A RIVER CHARACTER AREA AND COMMUTER B COMMUTER BOULEVARD DUBLIN ROAD IS. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, THERE ARE, UH, CERTAIN, UM, SIMILAR TO THE, THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS AND THE DUBLIN ROAD RIDEWAY DEDICATION, UM, THAT WE ARE, UH, THAT WE'RE MEETING WITH THIS AS WELL. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO A INITIATIVE WITH THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN TO HAVE, UM, MULTI-USE PATHS ALONG BOTH SIDES, BOTH THE EAST AND THE WEST SIDES OF DUBLIN ROAD. 
          UM, THERE IS CURRENTLY A MULTI-USE PATH ALREADY ON THE WEST SIDE OF DUBLIN ROAD. 
          WE WERE PROPOSING A, UH, A FEE IN LIEU FOR THE, UM, FUTURE MULTI-USE PATH ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          UM, THE REASON FOR THAT IS, IS PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE EXTENSION OF THAT EAST PATH ALONG THE EXTENSION OF THAT PATH ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF DUBLIN ROAD IS PROBABLY SEVERAL YEARS IN THE FUTURE, UM, IF NOT 10 OR MORE. 
          SO, UM, JUST NOT KNOWING THAT, UM, I THINK IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FROM A, BOTH A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE IN THE FUTURE AND, UH, ALSO FROM AN AESTHETICS PERSPECTIVE, UH, TO TRY AND DEFER THAT, UH, INSTALLATION TO, TO LATER ON WHEN THE WHOLE NETWORK WOULD BE BUILT. 
          UM, IF IT'S MUCH FURTHER IN THE FUTURE THAN, UM, OUR THOUGHT WITH THE, WITH THE AESTHETIC, UH, PIECE OF IT IS THAT, UM, OVER TIME THAT PATH WILL DETERIORATE AND THEN YOU'RE LEFT WITH A SECTION OF IT THAT'S LOOKS MUCH OLDER THAN THE OTHER PORTIONS OF IT. 
          SO THAT'S OUR THOUGHT WITH THE, WITH THE FEE IN LIEU. 
          UH, BUT OBVIOUSLY STILL WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN AND THE NETWORK THAT, UH, THAT THE CITY'S TRYING TO CREATE HERE. 
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UH, I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, TREE PRESERVATION AS WELL. 
          'CAUSE THE, THE SITE HAS A LOT OF MATURE TREES ON IT. 
          UM, WE DID DO A TREE SURVEY. 
          UM, THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWN ON THIS MAP HERE. 
          SO ANYTHING THAT'S OVER, UH, SIX INCH, SIX INCHES IN DIAMETER, UM, WAS SURVEYED AND WOULD BE A PART OF, UH, THE CITY'S EVALUATION AND OUR EVALUATION OF, UH, WHICH TREES NEED TO BE, UM, PRESERVED. 
          SO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH OUR, WITH OUR NUMBERS UP THERE, 216 TREES SURVEYED, UH, 31 WERE IDENTIFIED TO BE IN POOR CONDITION. 
          UH, 17 OF THOSE ARE PRESERVED. 
          UM, ONE OF THEM IS DEAD AND THAT'S GONNA BE REMOVED, UH, 185. 
          WE'RE IN FAIR, GOOD CONDITION. 
          UM, AND WE'RE PRESERVING 125 OF THEM. 
          AND THIS IS THROUGH, UH, JUST CAREFULLY PLANNING THE PLANNING THE SITE. 
          UM, TAYLOR, IF YOU COULD LIKE CIRCLE, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF LOU TRAIL, THERE'S A TREE, LIKE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT, UH, UP INTO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT. 
          THAT ONE. 
          YEAH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THOSE, THOSE CIRCLES. 
          THERE ARE, UM, THE, UH, THE TREE CANOPY AREA AND THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONE. 
          SO WE'RE TAKING A VERY DELIBERATE APPROACH TO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MATURE TREES ON HERE THAT, THAT SHOULD BE KEPT AND WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO TRY TO KEEP THOSE. 
          SO, UM, NOT DISTURBING THOSE CRITICAL ROOT ZONE AREAS. 
          WORKING AROUND THEM HAS BEEN, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE PAID SPECIAL ATTENTION TO. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ALONG THE, UH, THE SIDE RIVER SIDE, THERE'S HEAVILY WOODED AREAS, UM, AND THEN ALONG THE SOUTH, ALONG THE NORTH SIDE, AND THEN EVEN, UH, IN PORTIONS LIKE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, UM, THERE'S JUST SOME, SOME DENSE, DENSER VEGETATION AND, AND LARGE MATURE TREES. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THOSE THINGS AND WE WANT TO TRY TO PROTECT THOSE TREES AS WELL. 
          UM, THERE ARE STREET TREE REQUIREMENTS FOR LOU TRAIL, SO WE'RE PROPOSING STREET TREES, UH, ALONG THE PROPOSED ROAD. 
          UM, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING, UM, A IN THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT I REFERRED TO EARLIER, UH, ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF DUBLIN ROAD, WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, TREES AS WELL. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, UH, SO IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE CALLING IT RESERVE A, UM, IT'S UP AGAINST THE SIDE RIVER. 
          UM, THERE'S W WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A, IT'S, IT WOULD BE A PRIVATE RESERVE, UH, MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, UM, IT'S, IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A, A RIVERSIDE, UM, PARK FOR THE, FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          UM, WE'RE ENVISIONING A GRAVEL PATH, UM, WITH PROBABLY SOME STONE STEPS 'CAUSE THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY GETS KIND OF, UH, STEEP AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE RIVER. 
          UM, SO SOME STONE STEPS AND THEN A, UH, LANDSCAPED AREA WITH, UH, WITH A RETAINING WALL, SOME BENCHES. 
          UM, JUST A, JUST A NICE QUIET LANDSCAPED AREA, UH, AMONGST THE WOODED, UM, PORTIONS OF THE SITE THERE AGAINST THE RIVER. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, MS. MULLINAX. 
          WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU FROM OUR STAFF ANALYSIS AND THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING. 
          PRELIMINARY PLAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF LAND, INCLUDING RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, AND THE RECORDING OF EASEMENTS APPROVAL IS A TWO STEP PROCESS WHERE THE COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, AND THEN THE COUNCIL THEREAFTER APPROVES THE PLAT. 
          SUBSEQUENTLY, THE FINAL PLAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS BEFORE ANY BUILDING PERMITS ARE SUBMITTED. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT DID GO OVER THE, UM, SITE HERE, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. 
          THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, UM, OF THE PRIVATE RESIDENCE THAT IS THERE, THERE TODAY ALONG DUBLIN ROAD. 
          AND HERE WE HAVE, UM, JUST SOME VIEWPOINTS OF THE EXISTING DUBLIN ROAD LOOKING NORTH AS WELL AS LOOKING SOUTH. 
          UM, YOU'LL NOTE HOW LARGE THE TREES ARE, UM, WITHIN THIS AREA. 
          SO THE SITE IS ZONED R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS A STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT. 
          THERE R ONE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS APPLY TO THIS REQUEST. 
          THE PROPOSED MINI MINIMUM LOT SIZES ARE MET, ALTHOUGH MINOR ADMINISTRATIVE HEIRS NEED CORRECTED TO ENSURE SOME CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE PLANS TO ACCESS THE SUBDIVISION. 
          A NEW LEFT TURN LANE ON DUBLIN ROAD AND A NEW PUBLIC STREET ARE REQUIRED. 
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THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A REVISED TRAFFIC MEMO TO ADDRESS STAFF COMMENTS AND MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND 11 FOOT SHARED USE PATH IS REQUIRED ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF DUBLIN ROAD. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A FEE IN LIEU OF CONSTRUCTING THE PATH. 
          ENGINEERING WILL DETERMINE IF THIS OPTION IS ACCEPTABLE. 
          OTHERWISE THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT THE PATH DEPENDING ON WHICH OPTION IS, UM, PURSUED AND ASSOCIATED EASEMENT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THE WIDTH OF THAT PATH. 
          ADDITIONAL MINOR ADJUSTMENTS REGARDING THE PROPOSED STREET NAME, LOCATION OF DRIVEWAYS AND MEASUREMENTS. 
          UM, STILL NEED ADDRESSED WATER AND SANITARY SEWER. 
          UM, UTILITIES ARE AVAILABLE ON SITE WATER QUALITY CONTROLS PROVIDED THROUGH A PROPOSED UNDERGROUND DETENTION SYSTEM, UM, THAT'S BENEATH THE CUL-DE-SAC. 
          STORMWATER QUANTITY CONTROL IS NOT REQUIRED. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DESIGN LOTS AROUND THE SANITARY SEWER. 
          UM, STAFF HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS TO THE APPLICANT REGARDING LOT TWO'S LIMITED, UM, DEVELOPABLE AREA. 
          ONCE THOSE EASEMENTS ARE SHOWN ON THE PLAT, THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO SHOW, UH, DRIVEWAY LOCATIONS TO DEMONSTRATE THEIR SLOPES DO NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE SLOPE. 
          AND HOUSE LOCATIONS ON LOTS TWO AND SIX WILL NEED TO BE RELOCATED TO BE OUT OF THE SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT AS WELL. 
          THE APPLICANT SHOULD CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THESE MATTERS, UM, WHICH ARE REFLECTED IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING REQUIRED OPEN SPACE BETWEEN LOTS FOUR AND FIVE AS THEY HAD MENTIONED, AS WELL AS STREET TREES ALONG THE PROPOSED STREET LU TRAIL AS WELL AS DUBLIN ROAD CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET WITH BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS. THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, PROVIDED A TREE SURVEY AND TREE PRESERVATION PLAN. 
          THE TREE REPLACEMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDED, UM, WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE EASEMENT ALONG DUBLIN ROAD. 
          STAFF RECOMMEND A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO ADD EVERGREEN TREES WITHIN THAT LANDSCAPE EASEMENT TO CREATE A MORE IMMEDIATE AND EFFECTIVE LANDSCAPE BUFFER, AS THOSE TREES WILL TAKE QUITE SOME TIME TO, UM, GROW AND MATURE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A TREE WAIVER, WHICH WILL BE REVIEWED BY CITY COUNCIL AND IS SUBJECT TO THEIR APPROVAL. 
          AFTER THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, ALL OTHER LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET. 
          ALL PRELIMINARY PLA CRITERIA ARE MET OR MET WITH CONDITIONS AND STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLA TO CITY COUNCIL WITH 13 CONDITIONS. 
          WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MS. MULLINAX LENOX, UH, WE WILL HANDLE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF JOINTLY. 
          UH, SO I THINK I'M JUST GONNA CONTINUE ON AND, AND STAY STATUS QUO GET USED TO THIS. 
          I'M TOO TIRED THIS EVENING TO TO DECIDE OTHERWISE. 
          MR. GARVIN, YOUR FIRST THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR BOTH YOUR PRESENTATIONS. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, I GUESS FIRST FOR TAYLOR, WHAT, UH, WHAT REQUIRES THAT LEFT TURN LANE? IS IT THE NUMBER OF UNITS OR IS IT THE SIDE STREET? IT'S, UM, IT'S A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IT ALLOWS TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO SLOW DOWN AND TO NAVIGATE AND TURN LEFT SAFELY. 
          SO IT'S A SAFETY PRECAUTION. 
          UM, REGARDING, UH, ENGINEERING'S ALSO PRESENT. 
          SO IF THEY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THEY'D LIKE TO CHIME IN WITH, I'LL DEFER TO THEM. 
          SURE, YEAH, I GUESS I WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ALREADY HAS TO TURN LEFT THERE AND SO I WONDER HOW MANY MORE UNITS BEFORE THAT'S A REQUIREMENT IF THERE'S A SECOND HOME THERE WOULD, WOULD THAT REQUIRE A LEFT TURN LANE? TYPICALLY, WHENEVER WE HAVE A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT COME THROUGH, ANY KIND OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, IF THEY HAVE A PROPOSED ACCESS 0.4, SAFETY TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY DOES REQUIRE A LEFT TURN LANE, REALLY, NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCE FOR THE SAFETY CONCERN. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SORRY, I WROTE A LITTLE TOO SMALL HERE. 
          I'M TRYING TO SAY MY OTHER QUESTION. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          UH, UH, DOES THE FEE IN LIEU IDEA JUST, DOES THAT CONSIDER THE FUTURE COST OF THE TRAIL OR CURRENT COST? WHAT, WHAT IS THE DEPOSIT FOR A FEE IN LIE IN THIS SITUATION, I WILL DEFER TO ENGINEERING. 
          SORRY. 
          THANKS. 
          SO I WILL PREFACE THIS, BUT THAT HAS NOT, THOSE DETAILS HAVE NOT BEEN NAILED DOWN. 
          BUT TYPICALLY THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT AT A FUTURE DATE, PREVAILING WAGE RATE, ESSENTIALLY WHATEVER THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO PUT THAT IN, WE WOULD HAVE THE APPLICANT DO THAT AND WE WOULD WORK THAT OUT THROUGH AN AGREEMENT AND COME TO AGREEMENT WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I, I GUESS I DON'T IMAGINE A HUGE DELTA, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT PUTS THE CITY, IF THAT MAKES THEM LIABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR FUTURE LABOR COST INCREASE. 
          AND 
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THAT WOULD BE THE PREVAILING WAGE RATE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IF THE CITY AT THE FUTURE TIME WOULD'VE TO BID IT. 
          SO YES. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, I GUESS FIRST WOULD, WOULD THE GATEHOUSE REMAIN, THERE'S THE STONE KIND OF GATEHOUSE LONG DOUBLE, DO YOU KNOW WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, IT IT'S GONNA BE REMOVED. 
          IT WOULD BE REMOVED. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          WE, WE INITIALLY, I HESITATED BECAUSE WE WERE INITIALLY, UH, TRYING, TRYING TO KEEP IT 'CAUSE IT IS A NICE FEATURE, BUT MM-HMM . 
          UH, DO YOU KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE CURRENT RESIDENCE? IT'S 13 FIVE. 
          13 FIVE. 
          AND THEN DO YOU KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ESTIMATE? OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT PLANNED COMPLETELY, BUT FOR THE LOT TWO HOME SEEMS TO BE THE SMALLEST. 
          WOULD YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE? YEAH, NOT ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOME, BUT THE, THE PAD SIZES THAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THE SITE PLAN ARE ENORMOUS. 
          LIKE, UH, A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE WOULD FIT NO PROBLEM. 
          UM, SO THAT EXISTING HOME WOULD PROBABLY REMAIN SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN ANY OF THE OTHERS. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WHICH DIRECTION DO THE HOMES IN LOT ONE AND SEVEN, THE ONES ON DUBLIN ROAD, WHICH DIRECTION WOULD THEY FRONT? I THINK WE HAD, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THEM FRONTING LOU TRAIL, UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS STILL UP, UP FOR DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN JUST CLARIFICATION ON THE TREES, SO ABOUT 28% WOULD BE REMOVED IN THIS PLAN. 
          IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR ALL OF THOSE TO BE REPLACED? I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE EVERGREENS AND AND REPLACEMENT OF OTHER, THE EVERGREENS, I GUESS FOR A BUFFER. 
          DOES THAT TWO PART QUESTION THEN, DOES THAT COUNT TOWARDS THAT REPLACEMENT? AND DO I CORRECTLY UNDERSTAND THAT? SO THE TREE, I'LL ANSWER THE SECOND PIECE FIRST. 
          THE TREES WITHIN LANDSCAPE BUFFER WOULD COUNT AS TREE REPLACEMENTS. 
          UM, BOTH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON THE PLAN, WHICH ARE 14, UM, TREES I BELIEVE, AND THEN STAFF IS CONDITIONING AND RECOMMENDING ADDITIONAL TREES TO BE ADDED. 
          SO ALL OF THAT WOULD COUNT TOWARDS THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN AS MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT'S PURSUING A TREE WAIVER. 
          UM, AND THAT'S REALLY FOR MULTIPLE REASONS, RIGHT? UM, THEY, IF THEY WERE TO REPLACE ALL THE REQUIRED INCHES THAT ARE TO BE REMOVED, UM, IT WOULD RESULT IN OVERCROWDING ON SITE. 
          UM, AND IF THE APPLICANT, LET'S JUST SAY THEY WERE TO TAKE THOSE TREES AND REPLACE THEM ON THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, WHO'S TO SAY THAT THAT FUTURE HOMEOWNER WOULDN'T THEN REMOVE SAID TREE. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY'RE REMOVING THE REQUIRED TREES THAT ARE MEETING THAT, UM, THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          SO, UM, WHILE IT'S NOT UNDER, UM, PCC PURVIEW, RIGHT, THAT TREE WAIVER IS GOING TO COUNSEL FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, UM, THAT'S KIND OF HOW THIS IS DVY A LITTLE BIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. 
          THANK YOU MR. GARVIN. 
          MR. TESLER, THANKS FOR THE, THE THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR TAYLOR OR THAD. 
          UM, WHAT IS OUR SCOPE OF EVALUATION, UH, SPECIFICALLY ON THIS BECAUSE WE'RE APPROVING JUST THE LOT LINES OR ARE WE APPROVING THE HOUSE LOCATION AND THE DRIVEWAY? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE THINGS ON HERE. 
          I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS PRESCRIBED BY CODE. 
          I WAS TRYING TO LOOK FOR CODE SECTIONS. 
          YEAH, SO THIS APPLICATION IS SIMPLY FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLA REVIEW AND THIS IS A STRAIGHT ZONED PROPERTY. 
          SO THE, THE COMMISSION IS NOT, UM, THE CODE FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW DOES NOT SET OUT SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          UM, AND WE ARE JUST MAKING AN APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          CITY COUNCIL IS THE DECIDING BODY WHEN PLATTING A PROPERTY'S, EH, UNDER CONSIDERATION, I'M ECHOING THE ACTUAL CHAIR AGENDA. 
          , RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S REALLY JUST LOOKING AT THE ARRANGEMENT OF THIS, THE LAYOUT OF THE STREETS AND, AND LOTS. 
          IT'S NOT LOOKING AT MORE FINE GRAIN ZONING DETAILS WHICH ARE GOVERNED BY THE ZONING CODE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STREET AND THE LOT LINES. 
          THAT'S IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'LL THAT 'CAUSE THAT'S GOING TO DICTATE A LOT OF, 
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I THINK WHERE MY QUESTIONS WERE GONNA GO OR WE'RE NOT GONNA GO. 
          SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON THAT, THAT PORTION BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING TO CITY COUNCIL IF I DON'T HA IF I FEEL THAT I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S, IT'S REALLY SIMPLY, IS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IN TERMS OF THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE STREETS AND LOTS? WHEN YOU SAY LOT, DO YOU MEAN LOT LINES OR PROPOSED LOCATIONS OF THE BUILDINGS? LOT LINES. 
          OKAY. 
          IF, IF I MAY, BUT THERE, THERE IS ONE CONSIDERATION, MR. BOGGS, CORRECT ME IF I'M MISSTATING, BUT IF THE LOT UNDERSTANDING THAT SOMETHING WILL GO ON THE LOT AND THAT SOMETHING IN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, SETBACKS, BUILD ENVELOPE, ALL OF THAT CAN'T BE CONSTRUCTED BECAUSE OF WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE CODE, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE PLANNING OF PROPERTY. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          SO IT'S CONTEXTUAL, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT LOT LINES, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF IT WERE TO HAVE A 40 FOOT LOT AND THE ZONING WERE A MINIMUM OF 60 FOOT FRONTAGE, LIKE THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW THAT YOU'RE CONDUCTING. 
          BUT UNLIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW IN THE PLAN DISTRICT WHERE NOT ONLY WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT SETBACKS THEMSELVES, BUT ALSO, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES SO THAT THE BUILDING PATTERN CONFIGURATION IS AMPLE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE OUTDOOR HARDSCAPING THINGS. 
          THAT LEVEL OF FINE GRAIN REVIEW DOES NOT OCCUR IN THE STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICTS LIKE THIS. 
          SO IF I HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE HOUSE LOCATION, I DON'T, I CAN'T SEE THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S BESIDES THE ORIGINAL, ALTHOUGH THAT'S GONNA BE HACKED UP. 
          I'M JUST, I'M, AGAIN, I'M, I'M A LITTLE LOST. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I, I THINK IT'S WARRANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS ON LOCATIONS OF DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE THAT DOES AFFECT BUILD ENVELOPE AND IF THAT PUSHES THE, THE HOME OVER, FOR INSTANCE, UH, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOTRE NOT SHOWN ON HERE. 
          SO HOW AM IS ARE WE GONNA DRAW 'EM NOW? I I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER THAT? I, I, I AND, AND IT IT IS, UH, MS. RAUCH JUST POINTED OUT TO ME, UH, PERHAPS THE  THE KEY POINT. 
          THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          AND SO IT WOULD COME BACK THROUGH FOR FINAL ON MORE FINE-GRAINED DETAILS THAT WOULD BE DICTATED BY THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT COMES THROUGH. 
          THIS IS, SO THAT BEING SAID, WE COULD AT PRELIMINARY PLAT A AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF DUPE LOW BLOCKING RIGHT NOW. 
          HEY, IT LOOKS GOOD NOW, BUT WHEN WE SEE FINAL PLAT, WE'RE GONNA SEE, NEED TO SEE DRIVEWAY ORIENTATION, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING COLORED IN. 
          WE'RE GONNA NEED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, LOT ONE IS SENSITIVE TO ORIENTATION TO THE BUILDING. 
          WE CAN GIVE DIRECTION DURING THIS PHASE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TENTATIVELY RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BECAUSE, WELL, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL GIVEN THAT WE ARE AT PRELIMINARY PLAT, BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT PAST FINAL PLAT, WE WILL NEED TO ADDRESS OR SEE X, Y, Z. 
          HOWEVER, I WANT TO BUILD ON JASON'S QUESTION. 
          IF THERE'S INFORMATION IN THIS PACKAGE THAT YOU BELIEVE LEADS YOU NOT TO SUPPORT THE WAY THIS IS DIVIDED, I'M ASSUMING WE CAN EVALUATE EVERYTHING IN THE PACKAGE BECAUSE WE WOULD SAY IT BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, YOU POTENTIALLY WE CAN OR CANNOT SUPPORT THIS. 
          THE, THE FLIP SIDE TO THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT YOU CAN OR CAN'T SUPPORT IT, BUT JUST LIKE WE SEE IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WITH THE 13 CONDITIONS, A YOU KNOW, LOT ONE NEEDS TO BE READDRESSED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE LOT LINE MOVED TO ACCOMMODATE FOR IF YOU CAN. 
          AND I'M MAKING SOMETHING UP. 
          I'M NOT SAYING SOMETHING IF YOU COULD MAKE IT A CONDITION. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO MR. DESLER, DOES THAT LEAD YOUR QUESTIONS AT LEAST? AND I WOULD, I WOULD NOTE AS WELL THAT THE CODE FOR THE DISAPPROVAL OF, OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT HYPOTHETICALLY REQUIRES THAT THE COMMISSION SPECIFICALLY CITE THE CODE SECTION, UH, OR RULE TO WHICH THAT IS, THAT IS LEADING TO THAT RESULT. 
          SO CAN YOU POINT ME TO, IT'S A MORE RI FOR HAVING NOT VERY TIGHTLY ARTICULATED, 
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UH, CRITERIA FOR YOU. 
          IT DOES TIGHTLY ARTICULATE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SET FORTH IN THE EVENT OF A DISAPPROVAL. 
          WHAT SECTION IS THAT IN? 1 52 0.021. 
          ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA PASS. 
          I WILL HAVE QUESTIONS BUT I'LL PASS TO THE NEXT PERSON REAL QUICK. 
          THAT, WHAT WAS IT AGAIN? LEMME WRITE THAT DOWN. 
          SECTION 1 52 0.021. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS MR. ALEXANDER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THESE QUESTIONS ALL IMPACT WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN SUPPORT THE WAY THE LOT'S SUBDIVIDED. 
          SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, UM, DOES THAT BARN HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE? THERE'S A BARN THAT'S BEING RAISED ON THE PROPERTY. 
          ANY HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE? I, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          THE, UM, DETACHED STRUCTURES WILL BE DEMOLISHED. 
          THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE WILL REMAIN. 
          UM, THE TENNIS COURTS WILL ALSO BE DEMOLISHED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SECOND QUESTION. 
          WHAT, WELL, NOW I DON'T WANNA GET, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA GET, GET THAT LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, UM, WHY IS ALL THAT GRAVEL ON THE SITE NOW? UH, JASON LOU, UH, RESIDENT OF THE 1 0 2 7 9 WELLINGTON BOULEVARD, POWELL, OHIO. 
          UM, THE REASON I PILED THE STOCKPILE THE GRAVE IS I HAD A, I'M HAVING LIKE A LAND DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN SOUTH BLOOMVILLE AND, UH, A CERTAIN TIME YOU JUST LIKE, NO, NO GRAVEL AVAILABLE. 
          SO I WAS HOPING THE PROJECT CAN BE STARTING LIKE AROUND THIS TIME OF YEAR. 
          SO WE, I DON'T WANT TO LIKE A TRUCK GOING LIKE WET LIKE LAND, SO WE'LL DESTROY THE, ALL THE LIKE THE GET MUDDY EVERYWHERE. 
          SO I TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE WINTERTIME, THE ICE COLD STOCKPILE READY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION IN CASE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GRAVE AVAILABLE. 
          IT HAPPENED TO ME AT SOUTH S BLOOMFIELD. 
          YOU WELL THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER. 
          I LOOKED AT JENNY TODAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME, UM, COMPLAINTS TO CODE ENFORCEMENT ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THERE IS THERE WORKING THROUGH THAT POTENTIAL VIOLATION PROCESS AT THIS POINT? YEAH. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S NOT PERMITTED TO BE THERE. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S NOT AN ACTIVE BUILDING PERMIT WHICH WOULD PERMIT THE STORAGE OF BUILDING MATERIALS ON THAT SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          HOW DID YOU ESTABLISH A NUMBER OF HOMES ON THE SITE? PARDON? HOW DID, AND, AND MAYBE YOUR, UM, HOW DID YOU ESTABLISH THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT YOU WANT ON THAT SITE? UM, UH, IF I, IF I COULD, I WANT TO BUILD LIKE A BRIDGE PARK, LIKE A HIGH FIVE STORY AND A CONDENSED, DENSE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THE BEST FOR, FOR ME. 
          BUT, UH, I, WE REALLY LIKE, UM, APPRECIATE THAT BEAUTIFUL DOUBLING. 
          WE WANT TO BE MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE, THE ZONING LIKE REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, ORIGINALLY WE WERE THINKING PRIVATE, LIKE A DEVELOPMENT, LIKE A GATED LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD SAME LIKE AS A DEER ROUND TWO MILES UP NORTH. 
          AND, UH, BUT CITY STAFF, LIKE RECOMMENDED WE CANNOT DO THAT. 
          UH, HAVE TO USE PUBLIC. 
          WE WANNA BE LIKE A VERY NICE, LIKE A PRIVATE SET, LIKE KEEP MOST OF THE TREES, ALL THIS STUFF. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          HOW, HOW DOES YOUR PLAN RESPOND TO THE HOUSE AND THE SIZE OF THAT PARCEL THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? UM, I THINK FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION THAT ONE, LIKE A ALMOST MINIMUM, LIKE A ONE ACLAND YOU WANT, YOU DON'T WANT TO BUILD LIKE A 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME FOR THAT. 
          IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          AND SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS, UH, VERY HIGHEND LIKE A HOUSE LIKE AROUND FIVE, I THINK MINIMUM LIKE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT TO 6,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSES. 
          YEAH. 
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ALRIGHT. 
          UH, AND, AND, AND I'LL ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT, UM, LATER. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT MANIPULATION OF THE, OF THE CONTOURS ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          WHY IS THERE THE NEED TO CREATE WALKOUT BASEMENTS IN THESE UNITS? BECAUSE YOU'RE RAISING THE GRADE 10 FEET IN MOST OF THE HOUSES. 
          SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THE, THE LAST HALF OF THAT QUESTION? WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR GRADING PLAN MM-HMM . 
          AND I LOOK AT THE EXISTING GRADES AND I LOOK AT THE BUILDING PAD GRADES. 
          THERE IS IN, IN MO IN IN LOT TWO, IT'S 10 FEET DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GRADE CURRENTLY AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. 
          THE GRADES DROP DRAMATICALLY. 
          SO YOU'RE RAISING THAT EARTH 10 FEET IN LOT THREE, THERE'S A NINE FOOT DIFFERENCE. 
          AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ROAD, THIS IS JUST A PAD. 
          THIS ISN'T EVEN THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          THE, THE ROAD DOWN BELOW TO THE RIGHT OF THAT, THAT DIFFERENCE IS 14 FEET. 
          AND THAT'S JUST THE PAD. 
          THE FIRST FLOOR IS GONNA BE UP ANOTHER FOOT AND A HALF. 
          SO, SO THE MANIPULATIONS OF THE SITE AND THEN, AND THEN I LOOK AT LOT FIVE, YOU'RE RAISING THAT GRADE 13 FEET FROM WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY. 
          AND THAT'S TO THE PLATFORM, NOT TO THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          SO HERE AGAIN, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THE GRADES CHANGE ON THE SITE AND THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE PAD TO THE REAR ELEVATION, IT'S CLEAR THE DESIRE IS TO CREATE WALKOUTS OR HAVE FULL EXPOSURE. 
          BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO THE SITE IS, IS WELL, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S REALLY HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE. 
          AND SO I'M ASKING WHY DO YOU NEED TO DO THIS TO THE NATURAL CONTOURS OF THE EARTH JUST TO CREATE WALKOUT BASEMENTS? IT'S LARGE IN PART DUE TO THE PUBLIC ROAD EXTENSION. 
          JUST CAN'T, CAN'T GET DOWN THAT QUICK, THAT QUICK. 
          WELL YOU, YOU HAVE A NINE FOOT DROP ON THAT DRIVEWAY INTO THAT HOUSE. 
          SO TO THE EXISTING, NO, THAT'S WHAT'S CREATED BY YOUR NEW GRADING PLAN. 
          THAT DRIVE FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR NEW DRIVEWAY INTO THE EXISTING, INTO THE, INTO THE ROUNDABOUT THAT EXISTS FROM THE TOP OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT IS NINE FEET. 
          YOU, IF, IF YOU WERE NOT CREATING WALKOUTS, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, TO DO, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BRING IN ALL OF THIS FILL ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THE CREATION OF THE WALKOUTS IS ACTUALLY IN RESPONSE TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS SUCH SEVERE TOPOGRAPHY, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. 
          NO, NO, THERE'S NOT. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR CURRENT TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY AND LOOK AT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE CONTOURS ON THE FRONT OF THE LOT COMPARED TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BACK OF THE LOT, THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE CONTOURS IS THE, THE SPACING BETWEEN THE CONTOURS IS RADICALLY DIFFERENT. 
          WHICH IN WHICH SUGGESTS BREEDING CONTOURS THAT THE SLOPE IS MORE GRADUAL IN THE FRONT THAN IT IS IN THE BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          IT, IT'S DUE TO THE PUBLIC ROAD EXTENT. 
          WE CAN'T COME AT EXISTING, EXISTING GRADE IS X, WE CAN'T COME DOWN WITH THE EXISTING ROAD AT THAT SAME SLOPE. 
          THE PUBLIC ROAD EXTENSION IS DICTATING A LOT OF WHY WE HAVE SO MUCH FILL ON THE SITE. 
          AND THEN BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MUCH FILL AND BECAUSE THOSE HOUSES HAVE TO BE SO MUCH HIGHER, WE HAVE, WE PROPOSE THE WALKOUTS AS A WAY TO BREAK THAT ELEVATION. 
          WELL, I LOOK AT 8 41. 
          YEAH, IIII UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT HERE AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION THEN WHY SEVEN HOUSES ON THE LOT? SO YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD SAY THAT, UH, IF WE HAD, IF WE HAD LESS HOUSES, WE WOULD HAVE LESS FILL. 
          IF YOU HAVE LESS HOUSES, YOU HAVE LESS FILL AND COULD WORK WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY, TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE MORE. 
          UM, AND THEN SO, WELL, I, I, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO MUCH INTO THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, BUT, BUT YOU SAID THE THREE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT YOUR PROPOSED PADS IS 3000 SQUARE FEET, TWO FLOORS, 6,000. 
          THAT HOUSE HAS A FOOTPRINT OF 13,000. 
          SO IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE CHARACTER AND THE NATURE OF THAT HOUSE REALLY HAD MUCH IMPACT ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          MY, MY 3000 SQUARE FOOT COMMENT WAS MORE TO JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE SIZE HOUSE THAT COULD FIT ON THE PADS THAT WE'RE SHOWING COMFORTABLY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, THEY COULD BE MUCH BIGGER. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE DESIRE IS TO HAVE THEM BE AS BIG AS POSSIBLE, UM, WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE REGULATIONS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, HOW DID YOU DE DETERMINE 
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THE SIDING OF HOUSE SIX? COULD YOU, COULD YOU PULL UP THAT SITE PLAN? SOUTHWEST. 
          SOUTHWEST? YEAH. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE THE, TO THE RIGHT OF IT THERE, WE HAVE THE, UH, THOSE DASH LINES ARE A SANITARY EASEMENT. 
          SO WE PUT IT UP AGAINST THAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, I THINK THERE WAS, UH, FEEDBACK FROM STAFF TO, UH, TRY AND INCREASE THE BUFFER BETWEEN DUBLIN ROAD AND THE PROPOSED PAD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, AND I THINK THE OTHER REASON WE HAVE IT WHERE IT IS, IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE TREE PLAN. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOME MATURE TREES IN THAT CORNER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THOSE ARE MY INITIAL, I HAVE A, CAN I ASK STAFF ONE QUESTION? MM-HMM. 
          ONE MORE QUESTION MM-HMM. 
          IN OUR, IS THIS SUBJECT TO OUR RESIDENTIAL DESIGN GUIDELINES? IT HAS TO MEET THE RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE STANDARDS. 
          IT DOES NOT HAVE TO MEET THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT HOW HOMES ADDRESS THE STREET COMMON SETBACKS FROM THE STREET ALIGNING THE FACES OF HOUSES? DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, I BELIEVE THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT STAGGERING. 
          WE COULD LET US LOOK AT THAT. 
          THAT, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. DESLER, ARE YOU GOOD WITH QUESTION? ARE YOU READY TO HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS OR DO YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE ON AND COME BACK? I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THAD AFTER REVIEWING THE CODE SECTION, ARE YOU READY? WELL, YOU'RE LOOKING, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE. 
          SO YOU HAD, YOU HAD INDICATED, UM, THAT THE, UNDER THE, LET'S SEE HERE, UH, GOSH, WHAT SECTION? I LOST IT. 
          UM, YEAH, I HAVE HERE. 
          SO THE, THE, IF WE WOULD DISAPPROVE, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING THAT THEY DID NOT DO WITHIN AS, AS A LISTING OF THINGS. 
          IS THAT FAIR? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IF YOU GO UP TO, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT APPLIES TO THIS, UH, TO THIS SPECIFIC PLAT, THE WAY THAT IT'S DRAWN, BUT ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS IF YOU HAVE SUBDIVISIONS WITH MORE THAN EIGHT LOTS, NO MORE THAN, UH, SIX LOTS IN A ROW MAY HAVE THE SAME LOT WIDTH. 
          AND SO IF YOU HAD AN, YOU HAD A NINE LOT SUBDIVISION WITH SEVEN IN A ROW THAT HAD THE SAME LOT WIDTH, YOU WOULD CITE TO THAT CODE SECTION IN DISAPPROVING A PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          WHERE ARE YOU, WHERE ARE YOU READING THAT? WHAT SECTION? THAT'S, UH, 1 52 0.019 CA. 
          OH, I SEE. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, BUT I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTARY. 
          IT'S PROBABLY NOT APPROPRIATE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I'LL ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M STILL GONNA WAIT. 
          I WANNA GET MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER. 
          SO IF YOU WANNA MOVE ON TO, OKAY, KATHY, IT'S FINE. 
          THANKS MS. HARPER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          UM, HOW BIG WOULD YOU SAY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT SPACE DOWN BY THE RIVER WOULD BE, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE A FAMILY COMING DOWN THERE TO MEET? OR COULD YOU HAVE A, A GATHERING OF SOME SORT OR, I GUESS THE SIZE OF THAT IS WHAT I'M, IT'S LIKE, UH, MAYBE 15 TO 20 FEET IN DIAMETER. 
          UH, SO, UH, I WOULD THINK A FAMILY COULD FIT VERY COMFORTABLY. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE A PARTY GATHERING OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT, BUT JUST MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, SMALL 'CAUSE WITH THE BENCHES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT IDEAL JUST FOR, BECAUSE DOWN BY THE RIVER IT'S A, YOU KNOW, INTERESTING THAT WAY. 
          AND IT'S CLOSER, CLOSER TO THE HOUSE OR 
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CLOSER TO, UM, 'CAUSE I CAN SEE IT ON THERE, UH, CLOSER TO THE, THE TREE LINE AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          THAT SPOT YOU'RE SAYING CLOSER TO THE HOUSE OR CLOSER TO THE TREE LINE? YEAH, TREE LINE. 
          CLOSER TO THE TREE LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S LIKE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE TREES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE VISION IS FOR THE, THE H THE EXISTING HOUSES THERE THAT SOMEONE WILL BE LIVING IN THAT HOUSE? OR IS THAT OPEN FOR OTHER, UH, SO STILL, STILL PRIVATE? UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD JUST BE FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THIS SUBDIVISION. 
          BUT THAT HOME YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S A PRIVATE HOME WOULD STAY A PRIVATE HOME? YEAH. 
          AND IT'S ON ITS OWN PARCEL, SO ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU DON'T FORESEE OTHER USES OF THAT HOME? OH, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT THE CLUBHOUSE, RIGHT? NO CLUBHOUSE, . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THEN A QUESTION FOR THE CITY, IF I CAN THINK THIS THROUGH, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TREE WAIVERS, SO WHEN EACH HOME IS BEING IDENTIFIED, UM, AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE HAVING ONE BUILDER OR A WHOLE BUNCH OF BUILDERS, BUT YOU HAVE THE HOME AND THEN THEY START TO DO LANDSCAPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          COULD THEY RECOVER ON THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT THEY'RE MISSING DURING THAT POINT? THE, UM, TREE REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS CANNOT BE PLANTED ON SINGLE FAMILY LOTS BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR A HOMEOWNER TO REMOVE SAID TREES. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE THAT WE CAN DO TO PREVENT A HOMEOWNER FROM REMOVING A TREE IN THEIR LOT. 
          SO THINKING ABOUT THE TIMELINE, UM, SO SAY IF IT'S ON THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, THEY'RE NOTICING THAT THIS IS STILL OUR LITTLE LAND PLOT, UM, THEIRS AND, UM, AND THE HOUSE IS BEING BUILT HERE SO THEY COULDN'T TAKE DOWN THAT HOUSE OR THAT TREE. 
          IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? IS THERE SOME RECOVERY TO THIS THAT WE'RE MISSING? BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE HOME REALLY IDENTIFIED, WE DON'T HAVE THE, UM, THE BUILDER IDENTIFIED AND THE, BECAUSE IT MAY GET MOVED AROUND A LITTLE BIT. 
          IS THERE, IS THERE POTENTIAL FOR RECOVERY INSTEAD OF NEEDING THE TREE WAIVER? I, I THINK, I THINK I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION. 
          UM, THERE, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE TREE REPLACEMENTS WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG DUBLIN ROAD, THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY COULD PLANT. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S, LET ME LOOK HERE. 
          1,210 INCHES OF TREES WITHIN THAT LANDSCAPE OVER, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD NEED TO REPLACE. 
          UM, SO THAT JUST GIVES YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF HOW OVERCROWDED THAT AREA WOULD BE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO REGARDLESS THEY NEED SOME TYPE OF WAIVER TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          HOW OFTEN YOU GIVE THREE WAIVERS IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, IS THIS UNLIKELY OR IT, THIS, IT'S PRETTY RARE. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THERE'S CRITERIA THAT COUNCIL LOOKS AT, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY DEMONSTRATING THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD ON THEIR SITE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, AND PRESERVE AS MANY TREES AS THEY CAN, UM, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          SO I THINK IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, WE'VE HAD ONE. 
          SO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY MINIMAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO MAKE THAT REQUEST. 
          AND IT'S NOT LISTED ON THE, OR IS IT ON THIS, WHAT WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL? THAT'S, THAT'S STRICTLY UNDER COUNCIL'S PURVIEW. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T WEIGH IN ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHINOOK. 
          THIS'S. 
          ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          THIS, THIS, UM, THIS HOME SITE IS OBVIOUS, I WOULD ARGUE IT'S A VERY ICONIC SITE. 
          IT'S AN INTEGRAL PART OF THAT AREA OF DUBLIN ROAD. 
          UM, I THINK IT BUILDS A, HAS A LOT OF IMPACT ON THE CHARACTER OF DUBLIN ROAD. 
          WHAT DOES THIS TYPE OF, IN YOUR, AS YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, WHAT DOES THIS DO TO MAKE THAT BETTER? HOW DOES IT ENHANCE THAT AREA? AND HOW DOES THIS HELP THE CHARACTER OF DUBLIN ROAD IN THIS AREA BY DEVELOPING THIS SITE IN THIS WAY? YEAH, I THINK, UH, KIND OF GOING BACK TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD COMPARISON SLIDE, UM, I THINK IT MOLDS REALLY WELL WITH THE REST OF THE LOTS IN THE AREA. 
          UM, I THINK IT KIND OF STICKS OUT AS IT IS NOW. 
          SO I THINK IT, UH, I THINK IT ADDS TO THAT PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND I THINK THE, UH, THE ADDITION OF THE, UM, TURN LANE AS WELL IS A SAFETY FEATURE ALONG, UH, ALONG DUBLIN ROAD. 
          UM, DO YOU WANT ANYTHING? I DON'T KNOW IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION COMPLETELY. 
          UM, I THINK WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL 
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HOME, LIKE A MODERN HOME AND SOUTH OF US, AND, UH, WE HAVE A VERY TRADITIONAL BIGGER HOUSE ON THE SIDE. 
          SO WE WILL BE, UM, VERY LIKE, SENSITIVE TO THE, LIKE, CHARACTER OF THE HOUSES. 
          WE BUILD IT. 
          SO MOSTLY WE WILL BE STONE LIKE, UH, A BRICK AND WOOD, SO WE WON'T EVEN USE THE STUCCOS STUFF. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT WILL BE LIKE A WILL BE THE DOUBLING PEOPLE WILL BE PROUD. 
          THE, THE PRODUCT BE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CAN, CAN YOU TELL ME IF ANYWHERE IN YOUR, YOUR DOCUMENTATION THIS EVENING YOU HAVE DIMENSIONS OF THE EXISTING HOME DELINEATED N NO, UH, IT'S NOT DIMENSION ON THE PLANS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. DASHER. 
          THANKS. 
          QUESTION FOR THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER. 
          I, I WANNA GO BACK TO THIS PIECE. 
          I THINK THE LEFT TURN LANE WOULD BE A HORRENDOUS IDEA AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF THE SAFETY ASPECTS OF IT. 
          SO, I MEAN, I CAN THINK OF NUMEROUS OTHER MASSIVE SUBDIVISIONS ALONG DUBLIN ROAD WHERE THERE IS NO TURN LANE. 
          SO HOW CAN YOU SAY IT'S REQUIRED THERE AND NOT IN FRONT OF DONAL WOODS OF DUBLIN AND DONAL ASHFORD? SO WHAT I WOULD RESPOND TO THAT IS, FIRST OF ALL, TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT I WILL REPRESENT THEM TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY WHEN IT COMES TO THE SAFETY FACTOR. 
          I BELIEVE THERE WAS A, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A FATAL ACCIDENT ON GLICK ROAD. 
          AND FROM WHAT I'M TOLD FROM THEN ON IS WHEN WE HAVE PURSUED THE LEFT TURN LANE FOR THE SAFETY PURPOSES, I CAN DIG INTO MORE OF THAT, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK ACTUALLY, I THINK IF YOU'RE REQUIRING A TURN LANE THERE, I, I MEAN WIDENING THE TIME THAT IT TAKES, YOU JUST SPENT MONTHS REDOING THE ENTIRETY OF DUBLIN ROAD, UM, IT, IT MAY ACTUALLY BE LESS SAFE IN, IN THAT, IN THAT SPOT. 
          UM, WHERE, WHERE IT WOULD BE CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED. 
          THAT'S, THAT SAID, THE, THE OTHER PIECE HERE, I'M GOOD FROM THE TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE FOR NOW. 
          THE, UH, I THAT IN REVIEWING THE, THE REQUIREMENTS HERE, UH, I UNDERSTAND THIS PIECE. 
          I FEEL A LITTLE, I FEEL LIKE IT'S HONESTLY JUST A LITTLE PREMATURE ABOUT, I FEEL WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO, FOR ME TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING TO, FOR CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, IT JUST DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT BECAUSE THEN IT'S WHAT'S GONNA COME BACK. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE CONDITIONS AND I CAN SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS. 
          BUT WE'RE LISTING ALL THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE PINCHING CITY COUNCIL IN A POSITION THAT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE IN, WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE THESE THINGS BUTTONED UP HERE BEFORE WE, WE PASS IT THERE. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO RECONCILE THAT FRANKLY. 
          UH, IF YOU WANT ME TO GO LINE BY LINE OF EVERY SINGLE THING THAT THEY, I THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT I, AGAIN, I JUST IN TOTALITY, YOU, YOU KNOW, BASED ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT GARY HAD, UM, AND JUST SOME OF THE POSITIONING OF THE HOMES WITHOUT HAVING DRIVEWAYS AND EXACT DIMENSIONS AND AND WHATNOT, I, I'M JUST, I'M JUST NOT SURE. 
          UM, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED. 
          I FEEL THAT WE'RE NOT DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN OUR DUTY TO, TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. 
          I'M GONNA END AT THAT. 
          THANKS. 
          SO, UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT IN TIME? MR. ALEXANDER TAYLOR, DID THE STAFF DICTATE TO THE APPLICANT WHERE THE ENTRY POINT AND THE CURB CUT SHOULD BE TO THE DEVELOPMENT? YES. 
          YES. 
          THAT WAS DISCUSSED. 
          SO YOU TOLD THEM TO MOVE IT FROM THE CURRENT LOCATION? SO STAFF HAD ADVISED THE APPLICANT THAT THE EXISTING DRIVE, WHICH IS PRIVATE MM-HMM . 
          CANNOT REMAIN, UM, AS A PRIVATE DRIVE, THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TURNED INTO A PUBLIC STREET REGARDING THE SPECIFIC LOCATION OF WHERE THAT IS, UM, PROVIDED FOR THE CURB CUT. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE, THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
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YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT I WOULD MAYBE CALL UPON MY OTHER STAFF TO SEE IF THAT WAS INDEED AND CONFIRM THAT WAS THE CASE. 
          I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS. 
          I SEE THE ENGINEERING DIVISION SHAKING THEIR HEADS, SO, OKAY. 
          THAT, THANK YOU BOTH. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT? ALRIGHT, WE WILL CLOSE THE, THE, UM, QUESTION PERIOD. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD, UH, PRESS THE BUTTON TO ENSURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON, AND IF YOU COULD PRESS THE BUTTON TO ENSURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          WE DO ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT TO THREE MINUTES. 
          THE TIMER WILL START. 
          UM, MY NAME IS ROCHELLE WAGNER. 
          THE PROPERTY AT WHICH I RESIDE IS 7 1 9 9 DUBLIN ROAD. 
          IT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST A DIAGONAL, UM, TO THIS ONE. 
          AND I'M JUST COMING TO SAY THAT JASON WAS GREAT. 
          HE, YOU KNOW, WE, UM, THE OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN INFORMED AND I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PLAN. 
          AND MACHU HAVE BIG HOUSES OVER THERE THAN LIKE 10 HOUSES OVER THERE, . 
          AND THEN ALSO SAVING THE TREES WAS WONDERFUL. 
          AND, AND IT'S TOO FUNNY THAT YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE JUST THE OTHER DAY WHEN HE WAS UP THERE CIRCLING THAT ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU WHEN YOU STEP AWAY FROM THE MICROPHONE, BUT WE JUST, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL TREE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU KNOW, I SAY WE, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SEND IT TO STAFF AND THEN THEY'LL DISTRIBUTE IT TO US. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT SOUNDS GREAT. 
          AND JUST, UM, YEAH, I MEAN IT, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS KNOW AT LEAST ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. 
          WE TALKED TO THE ONES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM HIM, UM, AND THEY, THEY SEEMED FINE WITH IT. 
          I TOLD THEM I'VE GIVEN HIS NUMBER. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CONTACTED HIM. 
          AND THEN WE TALKED TO THE PEOPLE UP NORTH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. 
          IT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          UM, BUT WITH THE TREES, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHATEVER THAT TREE WAIVER THING IS, I MEAN, MAYBE THEY COULD PUT MORE OF 'EM DOWN BY THE RIVER BECAUSE THE POINT IS IT'D PROBABLY BE TOO SATURATED WITH THEM, BUT EITHER WAY. 
          SO, YEAH, I MEAN, AND, AND LUCKILY YOU HEARD WHAT HE SAID, HE'S NOT GONNA PUT LIKE BAD, LIKE YUCKY LOOKING BUILDING MATERIALS. 
          IF YOU GUYS LOOK AT THIS BEAUTIFUL STONE OUTSIDE THIS BUILDING ON THE FENCE, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL. 
          THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT OLD DOVAN. 
          SO I MEAN, HE'S NOT, THERE'LL BE PRETTY HOUSES. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHICH BUTTON DO I PUSH? YOUR MICROPHONE IS LIVE SO YOU DON'T GET TO PUSH ANY BUTTONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M DOUG DOJI, MY WIFE AND I, LAURA, UH, WE LIVE NEXT DOOR. 
          UH, THE HOUSE ON THE SOUTH 71 18 DUBLIN ROAD. 
          UH, JASON'S BEEN TERRIFIC. 
          HE'S DEALT WITH GOING FORWARD ON THIS PRETTY, AND KEPT US INFORMED PRETTY WELL. 
          THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS I PROBABLY DISAGREE WITH HIM ON, AS MR. ALEXANDER POINTED OUT THE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSES, ESPECIALLY LOT FIVE, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT WOULD BE NEXT TO OURS. 
          THE ELEVATION OF THAT SUGGESTS IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY A THREE STORY HOUSE FROM CURRENT ELEVATION. 
          UH, SO THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          UH, WITH REGARD TO THE TREES, UH, THERE'S A TELEPHONE POLE THAT RUNS ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF DUBLIN ROAD AND THERE'S ELECTRIC POLES ON THE WEST SIDE OF DUBLIN ROAD. 
          SO IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO PUT A WALKING PATH. 
          YOU CAN'T BRING THE WALKING PATH ANY FURTHER THAN HIS PLACE. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT, UH, WE SHOULD BE WORRYING ABOUT. 
          WE DO NEED A LEFT TURN LANE COMING INTO HIS PLACE. 
          IF YOU'RE THERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND NINE OR THREE AND SIX, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT NEEDS A LEFT TURN LANE, EVEN IF IT'S ONLY SEVEN HOUSES. 
          UH, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE 24 INCH STORM SEWER THAT GOES IN BETWEEN THE SOUTH SIDE OF HIS PROPERTY, NORTH SIDE OF MY PROPERTY. 
          THAT WILL CREATE A BIG PROBLEM GOING DOWNHILL. 
          AND HE NEEDS, HE'S ALREADY COMMITTED TO ME THAT HE'S GONNA WORK WITH ME ON THAT SO THAT WE WILL HAVE, UH, SOME KIND OF SYSTEM WE CAN PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE IT CURRENTLY SITS UP ABOUT 60 FEET ABOVE THE RIVER OR THAT, AND I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, DO I? OH, THE CUL-DE-SAC, HE NEEDS TO SHORTEN THE CUL-DE-SAC. 
          HE'S GOT TWO CUL-DE-SACS IN FRONT OF THAT HOUSE, THE ONE THAT'S THERE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT EXISTS NOW. 
          AND THE CUL-DE-SAC HE'S PUTTING IN. 
          SO THERE'S TWO PARKING LOTS BASICALLY SITTING IN FRONT OF FOUR HOUSES. 
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SO I THINK HE SHOULD SORT SHORTEN LOU TRAIL, MOVE THAT UP, AND ALSO END UP WITH A BETTER WATERSHED AT THAT POINT TOO. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL THINGS TO CONSIDER AS WE GO TO THE, FROM THE PRELIMINARY PLAN TO THE NEXT PLAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, UH, NATHAN EAGLES EITHER AT 49 BROWNING COURT, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF LOT TWO. 
          UH, ONE QUESTION I HAVE, WHICH I HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED, LOOKING AT THE NARRATIVE PROJECT NARRATIVE THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE DOCUMENTS ONLINE IS TALK ABOUT MOVING THE EXISTING NORTHERN, UH, DRAINAGE, UM, UP 30 FEET TOWARDS THE NORTHERN PROPERTY ALARM, WHICH IS TOWARDS MY PROPERTY. 
          SO COULD SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THAT ENTAILS? 'CAUSE THAT ENTIRE PLACE FLOODS NOW. 
          THERE'S HEAVY RAIN LOT TWO OR MOST OF THE LOT TWO WOULD FLOOD BASED ON HOW IT CURRENTLY BEHAVES UNDER RAIN. 
          UH, I'LL TAKE THAT AS A TAKEAWAY. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, THEN WE'LL ADDRESS THIS AT THE END. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, UH, WITH THE COMMISSION'S, UH, PERMISSION AND ALLOWANCE. 
          I'D LIKE TO, UH, ASK STAFF IF THEY COULD ADDRESS THE NORTH DRAINAGE PROPERTY ISSUE THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP. 
          IF THERE IS SOMEONE IN ATTENDANCE WHO'S ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, ASK ENGINEERING TO COME UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, THE DRAINAGE THAT IS THERE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY DESIRED TO MOVE THAT DRAINAGE FROM WHERE IT IS NOW AND SHIFT IT TO THE NORTH BECAUSE IT ENABLES THEM TO HAVE A LARGER BUILDING PAD AREA ON THOSE LOT. 
          THERE'D BE LOTS, LIKE LOTS ONE, TWO, AND THREE TO ENABLE THOSE AREAS TO BE BUILT ON MORE, THEY NEEDED TO SHIFT THAT DRAINAGE SLIGHTLY TO THE NORTH. 
          AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS TYPICALLY ALLOWABLE WITH APPROPRIATE CONSIDERATIONS GIVEN TO IMPACTS TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES AS WELL AS IMPACTS TO THE PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE DEVELOPING. 
          UM, AND JOINTLY, CAN YOU ADDRESS YOUR CAVEAT WITH SH SHOULD THEY NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT ADJACENT OWNERS? COULD YOU WALK THROUGH WHAT THE PROCESS LOOKS LIKE TO EVALUATE, TO ENSURE IT'S NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AND AT WHAT STAGE IN THE PROCESS THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED? UH, THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN GOING FORWARD INTO THE NEXT STAGES OF THE PROCESS WHERE AGAIN, WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE GRADING PLAN. 
          THEY WILL PROVIDE, UH, ENGINEERING CALCULATIONS THAT SHOW WHAT THE VOLUME OF WATER IS THAT FLOWS THROUGH THAT AREA TODAY, WHAT IT'S IMPACT IS TODAY, AND THEN WHAT THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE WITH SIMILAR SETS OF CALCULATIONS THAT SHOW US WHERE THAT DRAINAGE WILL GO IN THE FUTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. GARVIN. 
          SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO GET TEDIOUS, BUT, UH, IF, WHERE DOES THE LIABILITY LIE? IF THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN THAT CALCULATION AND ONE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES STARTED REGULARLY FLOODING AS A RESULT OF THIS CHANGE? IS THAT WITH THE CITY? IS THAT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER? OR WHERE WOULD, WHAT WOULD THE RECOURSE BE? IF YOU, IF YOU KNOW MR. BOGGS, IF WE COULD HAVE YOU FIELD THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION THAT WOULD NOT BE WITH THE CITY . 
          THANK YOU. 
          SHORT ANSWER. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, AT THIS TIME WE WILL ENTER INTO OUR DELIBERATION. 
          THE, THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL WITH 13 CONDITIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED BY STAFF. 
          UH, YOU'VE HEARD SOME, UM, CONCERN FROM THE, THE COMMISSION. 
          SO BEFORE WE DELIBERATE, WE'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO CONTINUE FORWARD THIS EVENING? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO TABLE AND BRING IT FORWARD IN THE FUTURE? MOVE FORWARD. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          ALRIGHT, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION THEN. 
          LET'S CONTINUE ON. 
          MR. GARVIN, I'M GONNA PICK ON YOU AGAIN. 
          I THINK MR. DUTCHER'S POINT ABOUT DETAIL IN THE LOTS, UM, IS ACCURATE. 
          I THINK IT'S HARD TO LOOK, ESPECIALLY FOR ME AT THAT LOT TWO AND ENVISION EXACTLY HOW THAT FITS IN NOW. 
          UM, WE KNOW THAT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR THE LOT LINES. 
          UM, WE BROUGHT UP SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MOVING THE WATER DRAINAGE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, 
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LANDFILL RAISING THE HEIGHT OF THE LOCATION. 
          UM, IT'S HARD TO SEE KIND OF HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT NEIGHBORS. 
          AS, AS THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH MENTIONED, HE'S EFFECTIVELY GONNA HAVE A THREE STORY HOME NEXT TO 'EM WHEN OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN A TWO STORY HOME'S ALLOWED ARE BEING BUILT, YOU KNOW, THAT ACTUALLY AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, THE INTENTION OF THOSE RULES AROUND THE SIZE OF HOMES. 
          AND SO IT, IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO, UM, APPROVE THE PARCELS IF WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE USED. 
          UH, THAT SAID, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S MORE FOR A FUTURE DISCUSSION. 
          SO I WOULD BE INCLINED TO, UH, APPROVE WITH THESE CONDITIONS, BUT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TAKING A MUCH HARDER LOOK AT IT, UH, AT THAT NEXT PHASE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DETAILS WHERE THE DRIVEWAYS CONNECT, THOSE SORT OF THINGS. 
          AND WE'LL PROBABLY BE PRETTY PICKY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THE EFFECT OF THE NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY OCCURS. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. GARVIN. 
          MR. DESLER. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          AND THANKS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, REAL QUICK ON THE TRAFFIC PIECE, JUST TO CLOSE THE LOOP ON IT, IF THE DETERMINATION BY THE CITY IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE THERE, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE THERE, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY I DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO SAY NO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S OBLIGATIONS AND WHETHER IT'S VIA ORDINANCE OR IT'S THE NEW POSITION OF THE CITY, THEN THAT'S FAIR. 
          UH, I'M, I'M NOT AGAINST, I WANNA BE CLEAR HERE AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT OR SUB DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY THAT I'M NOT AGAINST THAT. 
          BUT CURRENTLY, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I FEEL I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, IF I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE, THE PLOT. 
          UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK, UH, THAT WITH THE, THE MULTITUDE OF REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE PRESENTED, I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM ALL. 
          UH, I, I, YOU, YOU MAY NOT HAVE SUPPLIED, I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING ACTUALLY, REBECCA COMMENTED ON THE LOCATION AND APPROXIMATE DIMENSION OF ALL EXISTING BUILDINGS. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS ACTUALLY, UH, NOTED. 
          THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OTHER ONES THERE. 
          THERE COULD BE SOME, UM, LACK OF CLARITY. 
          AND AGAIN, I, I FEEL THAT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME FOR, FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY KIND OF RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO FOR THAT, I'M, I WOULD BE, UH, AGAINST APPROVAL FOR DISAPPROVAL. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. DESLER. 
          MR. ALEXANDER. 
          WELL, WE'VE FOUND LANGUAGE IN THE CODE THAT WILL SUPPORT THOSE OF US WHO ARE GONNA, WHO ARE NOT GONNA SUPPORT THIS. 
          AND I, I CERTAINLY DO NOT SUPPORT THIS. 
          WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I THINK IS, WHAT I DON'T AGREE WITH IS YOUR APPLICATION OF PLANNING STANDARDS ACROSS THE STREET WHEN YOU HAVE A HOME ON THE LOT ALREADY, THAT IS NOWHERE CLOSE TO THE PLANNINGS, THE HOMES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET THAT ARE PART OF THE PLANNING STANDARDS THAT YOU WANNA APPLY. 
          SO I THINK, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A PROBLEM WITH JUST FOLLOWING THE CODE VERBATIM. 
          IF THIS HOUSE DID NOT EXIST ON THE SITE, I THINK THE CONVERSATION FOR ME WOULD BE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT. 
          AND I STILL MIGHT HAVE ISSUES WITH TOPOGRAPHY, BUT BECAUSE OF THIS HOUSE THAT'S THERE, YOU'RE CREATING A CONDITION WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MANOR HOUSE. 
          ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT THE FOOTPRINTS, LOOK AT THE FRONTAGE OF THAT HOUSE THAT'S THERE, AND THE FOOTPRINT AND THE FRONTAGE OF THE POTENTIAL HOUSES YOU HAVE. 
          YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF CREATING ESSENTIALLY A MANOR HOUSE AND THE SURFS. 
          AND, AND, AND I THINK, I THINK THE ESTATES IN MUIRFIELD REALLY HAS, HAS IT, RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. 
          BIG HOUSES LIKE THIS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST ARE SET APART BY THEMSELVES. 
          THEY'RE ISOLATED FROM THE TYPICAL HOUSE YOU SEE IN MUIRFIELD, AND YOU CAN SEE 'EM ACROSS THE FAIRWAY. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE A SMALLER HOME ON ONE SIDE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE HOMES ON THE ESTATES ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT THE ESTATES HAVE A SEPARATE ENTRY. 
          YOU GO THERE, THE PARCELS ARE BIGGER, AND ALL THE HOMES THERE ARE VERY SIMILAR. 
          AND, AND I THINK YOU'RE CREATING A VERY AWKWARD CONDITION HERE BY HAVING THIS HUGE HOUSE. 
          I, I, I DON'T, AND, AND, AND I, I WILL PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE ADDING, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT HOUSES, THEY SHOULD BE LIKE THAT HOUSE ON THERE. 
          THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          IT'S ON THIS CODE. 
          SO MAYBE YOU HAVE TWO HOUSES ON THERE IN ADDITION TO THAT, OR MAYBE THREE. 
          BUT THE OTHER, YOU, YOU'VE CREATED YOUR OWN PROBLEM WITH THAT GRADING AS WELL. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU KEPT THE ENTRY WHERE IT IS NOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, WE HAD TO BUILD IT UP BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BUILD A ROAD UP, WELL, YOU MOVED THE ROAD, YOU, YOU CHOSE 
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TO PUT THAT ENTRY POINT WHERE YOU DID, IF YOU LEFT THE ENTRY POINT WHERE IT IS NOW, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SAME ISSUE. 
          SO, UM, I, I JUST THINK THE GRADING IS INSENSITIVE. 
          THE PEOPLE TO THIS, THE PEOPLE TO THE NORTH MAY REALLY PAY A PRICE FOR WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS, BUT I, BUT THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT WILL SUPPORT WHY, WHY I WON'T SUPPORT THIS. 
          SO THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER, MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND THANKS FOR EVERYONE STAYING LATE AND HEARING FROM EVERYBODY. 
          UM, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THESE, UM, PROJECTS AND THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, JUST DIDN'T COME WITH WHAT WE NEEDED TO FEEL COMFORTABLE IN, UH, SENDING IT FORWARD. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 13 UM, CONDITIONS HERE. 
          BUT ALSO I WOULD, I WOULD ADD THE TREE WAIVER TOO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A SITUATION THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THERE AS WELL TOO. 
          'CAUSE UM, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AS, AS A DEVELOPMENT AND, AND VERY FEW PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH NOT PUTTING AND SUPPORTING THE, THE TREES THAT WAY. 
          SO, UM, AT THIS POINT, I AGREE, UM, THAT, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, WOULD BE NOT TO MOVE IT FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. CHINOOK. 
          AND, AND I'M GONNA TAKE A STEP BACK EVEN FURTHER BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWN ON RIVER, MUCH SOUTH ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE, WHERE THEY'RE TAKING LARGE, UH, HOMES LIKE THIS, LARGE LAND LIKE THIS, AND THEY'RE DEVELOPING IT AND IT'S HAVING, IN MY OPINION, IT'S HAVING A VERY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THAT ENVIRONMENT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO DO HERE. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF STEP BACK AND THINK, IF YOU'RE IN THAT AREA, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          THERE'S SO MUCH CHARACTER, IT'S SUCH A NIGHT. 
          AGAIN, IT'S, I SAID IT EARLIER, IT'S A VERY, VERY NICE PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          YOU'VE GOT ADJACENT PARCELS THAT WE DON'T WANNA SET A PRECEDENT TO KEEP DEVELOPING THAT WHOLE AREA BECAUSE THE, QUITE FRANKLY, THE AREA CAN'T HANDLE IT. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IMPROVING THE ROAD, BUT IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S TOO MUCH FOR THAT AREA. 
          SO I I I JUST THINK IT'S WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AND SAY WHAT'S WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THIS SPACE? AND THIS JUST ISN'T, ISN'T RIGHT IN MY OPINION. 
          SO I'M, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. 
          UM, I'LL ECHO A LOT OF WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID. 
          MS. HARDER BROUGHT UP THE TREE WAIVER, WHICH AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS IN TOTALITY. 
          AND WHILE SOMETHING ISN'T IN OUR PUR PURVIEW, IT DOES SET THE TONE WHEN WE LOOK AT APPLICATIONS AND THEY HAVE 13 CONDITIONS IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM FIT. 
          IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE SQUARE PEG, ROUND HOLE. 
          UH, WE, WE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THESE WOULD BE ENORMOUS. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, THE HOUSE ON THERE, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE, THE LISTING WAS 13,556 SQUARE FEET AND ENORMOUS WAS 3000 SQUARE FEET. 
          IT, IT WOULD BE EASY TO FOOT A THREE FIT A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOME IN THAT BUILD ENVELOPE. 
          AND WE LIVE IN DUBLIN . 
          WE'VE SEEN ENORMOUS. 
          WE MAY NOT LIVE IN ENORMOUS, BUT WE'VE SEEN ENORMOUS. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW THE, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, ONE OF THE ITEMS, AND THIS GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE COULD SEE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, OUR CODE CALLS OUT, IT MUST BE PREPARED FOR PRELIMINARY, PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT'S IN OUR CODE SECTION 1 52 0 18 C TWO FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS NOT AGAINST SUBDIVIDING. 
          WE COULD LOOK AT THIS AGAIN, WE ARE GOING TO BE SENSITIVE TO SOME OF THE DETAILS WHEN WE LOOK AT PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA WANNA SEE THE VISION OF HOW THIS PROPERTY IS TREATED TO A MORE, UH, PRECISE DEGREE THAN WHAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S VERY HARD TO APPROVE ON A PROPERTY THAT HAS MAJOR, UM, EXISTING TREES THAT WE ALL LOVE. 
          WE LIVE IN DUBLIN, WE LOVE GREEN, UH, THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT SEWER EASEMENTS IN DIFFERENT ALIGNMENTS AND SOME THAT ARE MOVING SOME THAT ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO STREET WAY, UH, WAIVER REQUESTS FOR, UH, TRAILS. 
          AND I WALKED DUBLIN ROAD JUST YESTERDAY. 
          IT'S NOT VERY PLEASANT IN SOME AREAS CROSSING THE STREET TO GET TO A TRAIL AND THEN CROSSING BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE THE TRAIL ENDS, WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. 
          AND WHILE WE WISH THAT THE CITY HAD A MAGIC WAND AND A MONEY TREE TO GO INSTALL TRAILS EVERYWHERE, WHILE THE WAY THAT THEY GET THERE IS OVER TIME, AND BY PUTTING SOME SECTIONS IN THAT CREATES THAT CRITICAL MASS TO PUT THE REST OF THAT SECTION IN. 
          SO I ALSO AM, AM NOT IN FAVOR OF ING RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
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WITH THAT, I WILL AGAIN ASK THE APPLICANT IF YOU'D LIKE TO TABLE OR IF YOU'D LIKE US TO PROCEED. 
          CAN I, SORRY, CAN I, I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU. 
          CAN I ADD ONE THING? YES. 
          JUST TO GET ON RECORD. 
          I AM AGAINST THE SUBDIVISION OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, MR. BOX. 
          SO I, I KNOW THAT YOU REPOSED THE QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT OF WHETHER HE WOULD LIKE A VOTE THIS EVENING OR, OR TO TABLE THIS, TO BRING IT BACK. 
          UM, IF THERE IS A VOTE THIS EVENING, I'LL REITERATE. 
          THERE DOES NEED TO BE THE CITATION WE WILL CITE. 
          SO AGAIN, BACK TO THE APPLICANT. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED WITH A VOTE OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO REQUEST A TABLE THIS APPLICATION? HEY, THA REAL QUICK ON THIS, MAYBE THIS WILL HELP THE APPLICANT OUT I, IF THERE IS A DISAPPROVAL, IS THERE A TIME PERIOD BY WHICH IT HAS TO REAPPLICATION OCCURS, OR IS THERE NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TABLE AND A DISAPPROVAL AND, AND TO PIGGYBACK SEPARATE APPLICATION, THEREFORE SEPARATE FEES OR CONTINUATION. 
          DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE SEPARATE APPLICATION VERSUS DIFFERENT? SO THERE'S A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND A FINAL PLAT, UM, AND THEY'VE SUBMITTED BOTH. 
          SO IF THIS GETS DISAPPROVED TONIGHT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY RESUBMIT A NEW PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION. 
          AND WOULD THERE BE AN, UH, A SEPARATE FEE FOR THAT RESUBMIT OF A PRELIMINARY? YES, IT'S BASICALLY STARTING OVER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT THE TIME PERIOD BEFORE THEY COULD, IS THERE ANY NO, THERE'S NO TIME PERIOD FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO TABLE AND BRING IT BACK, IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL FEE TO BRING BACK THE PRELIMINARY PLAT? NO. 
          'CAUSE IT'S LIKE, IT WOULD BE CONTINU, LIKE A CONTINU TO BE ACTIVE APPLICATIONS. 
          THERE'S NO TIMEFRAME FOR WHEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH REVISIONS OR, UM, OR MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO THE, I JUST MAKING SURE I WANT TO READ TO THE COMMISSION SO THAT YOU SEE WHAT THE, THE DISAPPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          UH, IF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DISAPPROVES SUCH PRELIMINARY PLAT, IT SHALL ENTER IT IN ITS MINUTES. 
          THE REASON FOR SUCH DISAPPROVAL, INCLUDING CITATION OF OR REFERENCE TO THE RULE OR REGULATION VIOLATED BY SUCH PLAT, THE SUBDIVIDED MAY THEREAFTER MAKE SUCH CHANGES AS NECESSARY TO CONFORM THE PLAT TO THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND RESUBMIT THE SAME AS REVISED TO THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL, WHICH REVISED PLAT SHALL BE PROCESSED WITHIN THE TIMES. 
          AND IN THE MANNER PROVIDED IN THIS SECTION, WHICH ELSEWHERE, UH, IS, IS NOT A MAXIMUM TIME FOR THEM. 
          IT'S A MINIMUM TIME FOR THE COMMISSION TO PREPARE TO HAVE IT ON ITS AGENDA. 
          THANK YOU MR. BUCKS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          JUST MAKING SURE I, I KNOW THERE, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION JUST MAKING SURE THE APPLICANT UNDERSTOOD. 
          IF YOU CHOOSE TO TABLE THIS EVENING, THEN THE SAME APPLICATION STANDS, YOU CAN REFRESH IT, BRING IT BACK, AND THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL FEE IF YOU REQUEST US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A VOTE. 
          AND IF THE COMMISSION, UM, VOTES TO DISAPPROVE, THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO RESUBMIT AND THERE WOULD BE NEW FEES BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A NEW APPLICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          I ACQUIRED LIKE, UH, ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO, UM, TWO AND A HALF YEARS. 
          AND WE WORK WITH THE CITY OF ENGINEERING, DUBLIN CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR MORE THAN A YEAR AND A HALF. 
          WE TRY TO COMPLY ALL THE REQUESTS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE A, LIKE WE ENGINEERING DEMAND REQUIRE, REQUIRES A CHANGE LANE AND WE ACCEPTED, TRY TO ACCOMMODATE IT, AND THEN COUPLE MONTHS LATER THEY ASK US FOR TRAFFIC STUDY AND THEN ANOTHER, WAIT ANOTHER TWO MONTHS, SPEND ANOTHER $5,000 AND THE SALES DON'T NEED CHANGE LANE. 
          AND UH, SO WE KIND OF WORK WITH THE CITY, TRY TO BE LIKE A BIGGEST GOOD SPORT. 
          AND, UH, EVERY DETAIL LIKE THE PLOT, WE ALL FOLLOW THE ENGINEERING LIKE REQUIREMENT. 
          AND SO IF YOU GUYS AGAINST, YOU NEED TO TELL ME WHY, LIKE, SO IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS, UH, KIND OF LIKE A PRIVILEGE, LIKE A, SO DENY THIS LIKE APPLICATION AND, UM, AND WE ALSO, AT THE BEGINNING WE TRIED TO DEVELOP AS LIKE A PRIVATE 
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FROM THE ORIGINAL ENTRANCE. 
          SO LESS DISTURBANCE OF THE, LIKE THE, THE SURFACE WATER, EVERYTHING, LESS TREES, LIKE, LIKE IT WOULD BE AFFECTED. 
          AND, BUT CITY DUBLIN WANTS TO HAVE PUBLIC ROLE. 
          WE DON'T LIKE PUBLIC ROLE AT ALL. 
          WE WANT TO BE LIKE TREATED EQUALLY LIKE A D UH, D WRONG, BUT OBVIOUSLY LOOK LIKE A KIND OF DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ME. 
          THIS IS THE KIND OF FEEL. 
          AND UM, SO I, WE SPEND SO MUCH, UH, TIME AND THE RESOURCES FOR THIS PROJECT AND THE, YOU CAN FROM, FROM MY TRACK RECORD, ALL THE PROPERTY I TOUCH ALWAYS MAKE IT THE BETTER. 
          AND THE, AND THE STAND STAND FOR THE QUALITY OF J DUBLIN, LIKE FOX IN SNOW BUILDING IS FROM THE LIKE ORIGINAL IS NOT THAT BEAUTIFUL. 
          WE, WE PUT THE EFFORT LIKE ALL BEAUTIFUL, LIKE J WASTON, I BUILT THAT BUILDING LIKE 17 YEARS AGO. 
          THE HIGH STANDARD IS STILL ONE OF THE BEST, UM, BUILDING ON HIGH STREET. 
          SO FOR ME, IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING, I WANT BE LIKE, BE PROUD FOR THE FUTURE RESIDENTS FOR THE, IT'S NOT FOR FOR MONEY FOR ME IT'S, I IT IS LIKE TO TRY TO LIKE, UH, BUILD SOME MILESTONE. 
          THAT'S THE REASON I TRY TO NAME THE LITTLE TRAIL TO LEAVE SOME MARK TO, TO DUBLIN. 
          YEAH. 
          SINCE, UH, I COME TO DUBLIN, I ALWAYS SUPPORT LIKE CD AND ALL THE ATHLETIC TEAM, WHATEVER WE ASK FOR DONATION. 
          WE ALWAYS PROVIDE A GIFT CARD AND PROVIDE A SPORTS TEAM LIKE THE, LIKE A MEETING LIKE ACCOMMODATED PARTIES. 
          SO WE TRY TO BE A VERY GOOD CITIZEN OF DUBLIN. 
          AND, UH, ONE I WANT TO TREAT ALSO FAIRLY TOO. 
          AND IF YOU, I WISH YOU GUYS VOTED YES. 
          AND SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND UH, SO I WANT YOU GUYS RE RECONSIDER. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE APPLICANT DOES WISH US TO CONTINUE WITH A VOTE THIS EVENING. 
          IS THAT, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES. 
          IS IT ONLY THROUGH A VOTE THAT WE LEARN WHAT THE CITATION IS THAT, UH, IS THE REASON FOR DISAPPROVAL? OR EVEN IF WE TABLE, COULD WE ALSO HEAR EVEN IF YOU TABLE, YOU CAN ALSO HEAR, YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THE CONCERNS. 
          WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO, TO READ THROUGH THE MEETING MINUTES, WHICH WILL BE AVAILABLE AFTER THE MEETING, BUT ALSO WE'LL, WE'LL CITE, WE'LL CITE CODE IN THE MOTION AS TO WHY IT'S BEING DISAPPROVED. 
          BUT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED, I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO BRING FORWARD MORE DETAIL AT THE NEXT PHASE. 
          YOU'VE HEARD ANGST FROM MULTIPLE COMMISSION MEMBERS ON UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO SAY IT CAN BE PLATTED, THERE'S A DIFFERENT THING TO SAY. 
          YOU CAN ACTUALLY BUILD ON IT. 
          AND SO WE ARE CONCERNED WITH THE BUILD PHASE RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          UM, I GUESS JUST WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, UM, WE HAVE DONE MUCH MORE THAN JUST A PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, WE HAVE DONE ESSENTIALLY I WOULD CALL THEM MORE 80% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. 
          UM, WE'VE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, SO IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN JUST, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE THROWN TWO DIMENSIONAL LINES ON A MAP. 
          UH, WE'VE DONE A LOT MORE THAN THAT. 
          AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE GRADING, WE'VE LOOKED AT, UM, THE STORMWATER, UH, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, DIRECTLY WITH ENGINEERING. 
          UM, THAT COORDINATION HAS BEEN EXTENSIVE AND ONE, ONE THAT I WOULD EXPECT MORE AT A 
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FINAL ENGINEERING STAGE TO BE FRANK. 
          UM, THE, UH, THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, THE, UH, SWALE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, UH, WE WOULD BE IMPROVING THAT SITUATION. 
          UM, THE SWALE THAT'S THERE NOW IS SHALLOW. 
          WE WOULD BE IMPROVING THAT SITUATION BY DEEPENING IT AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S SIZED FOR THE CAPACITY OF DRAINAGE GOING IN THERE. 
          SO THAT'S, UH, JUST ONE EXAMPLE I GUESS, OF THE, UH, THE ENGINEERING THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS PROJECT TO DATE. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HELPFUL, BUT, UH, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHICH, UH, THE CITATION, UM, OF WHY, WHY THERE IS DISAPPROVAL, UM, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. 
          I DON'T, IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S REALLY A DIFFERENCE, UH, IN EFFECT WHETHER WE TABLE OR GO TO A VOTE. 
          UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. 
          DO, DID YOU HAVE MORE TO SAY THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY IN THE MIC MR. LOU? I THINK TODAY YOU JUST TABLE LIKE A CITATION. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT YOU GUYS DON'T APPROVE ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          SO WE CAN WORK ON TRY TO CONVINCE YOU GUYS. 
          THANK YOU MR. LU. 
          YEAH, I, MR. BOX, I WAS GOING TO MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE IN EVERYBODY'S INTEREST FOR THERE TO BE A TABLE. 
          UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. LIU, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, IS, HAS COME TO THAT CONCLUSION YOURSELF. 
          AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, UH, TABLE THIS MATTER. 
          THANK YOU MR. BOX. 
          UM, I, I WILL, UM, THROW OUT THREE SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT I FOUND, UH, AND THEN LOOK TO THE COMMISSION FOR, UH, PIGGYBACKING, DISCOUNTING ANYTHING IN SECTION 1 52 0.018 C TWO. 
          IT REQUIRES THE, UM, PROVIDING OF APPROXIMATE DIMENSIONS OF ALL EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE SITE IN SECTION 1 52 0.019 C3. 
          UH, IT ASKS FOR THE SIDELINES OF ALL LOTS TO BE RIGHT ANGLES TO STRAIGHT STREETS OR RADIAL TO CURVE STREET LINES. 
          AND WITH THIS, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO ENVISION THAT. 
          SO THE, THESE, THESE NICKS TWO ARE KIND OF WHAT YOU'LL FEEL FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          WE CAN'T EXACTLY ENVISION WHAT THE SIDE SETBACKS LOOK LIKE OR ANYTHING ON THE PLATTING OF PROPERTY BECAUSE WE JUST SEE THE BUILD ENVELOPES KIND OF HYPOTHETICAL. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS 1 52 0 9 C SIX. 
          UH, IT REQUIRES VARIED SETBACKS, BUT AGAIN, WITH KIND OF THE BLANKET, HEY, THIS IS WHERE THE BUILDING MIGHT BE. 
          WE, WE JUST CAN'T SEE ENOUGH TO GET THE DETAIL OF IS THIS PLAQUE GONNA WORK FOR A BUILDING IN THE FUTURE? SO LOOKING BACK TO THE COMMISSION TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE OR IF I MISSPOKE MISS SIGHTED ANYTHING THAT THE, THAT I HEARD THE COMMISSION SAY WE, WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT. 
          I DID ALSO HAVE A, A POTENTIAL OF 1 52 0 1 9 C FIVE THAT TALKS ABOUT CORNER LOTS. 
          AND IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU'RE DEFINING CORNER LOTS. 
          IF THEY'RE ON THE SWOOP, YES MA'AM OR NOT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ACCESS FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          SO IF YOUR DRIVEWAYS ARE NARROW, THEN YOU CAN'T GET CERTAIN TYPES OF VEHICLES IN. 
          SO THAT ONE WAS QUESTIONABLE. 
          IT, IT, I WOULD RECOMMEND CONSIDERATION FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT THAT ONE I COULD WAIT EITHER WAY AND, AND YOU BETTER LOOK AT THE CONTOURS. 
          UM, IT'S THE SAME SECTION BUT SEVEN, IT'S, IT'S ONE, UH, IT'S IT'S 1 5 2 0.018 C SEVEN REGARDING THE CONTOURS, UM, AND THE SLOPE. 
          SO JUST MAKE SURE WHAT YOU COME BACK CONFORMS TO THAT. 
          UM, 
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AND THERE WAS ONE ABOUT MINIMUM LOT WIDTH THAT AND MAYBE TWO MEETS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA ME, HOW YOU MEASURE LOT TWO MEETING THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH. 
          SO THAT'S IN THERE AS WELL. 
          SO TWO'S GONNA NEED TO MEET THAT, THAT, THAT IS UM, 1 52 0 1 9 C FIVE, THE WIDTH ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT TO TABLE. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, YES, WE, WE, WE NEED A MOTION. 
          YOU'LL NEED A MOTION TO, BUT I DON'T RE BUT I DON'T REMEMBER HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE STATED. 
          A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, THE REQUEST FOR TABLING FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A MOVE, MOVE TO TABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL MOVE THE TABLE BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. 
          I HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST DIRECT BACK TO THE REFERENCE OF THE CODE SECTIONS CITED PRIOR TO THE MOTION. 
          MS. BEAL. 
          OKAY. 
          MS. HARDER? YES. 
          MR. CHINOOK? YES. 
          MS. CALL? YES. 
          MR. ALEXANDER? YES. 
          MR. GARVIN? YES. 
          MR. DESLER. 
          MR. DESLER? YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK IN THE FUTURE AND UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE WOULD DIRECT YOU TO THE STAFF. 
          THEY, THEY DO WORK WITH US QUITE A BIT, SO THEY'RE USED TO OUR UM, PERSPECTIVES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S A GOOD THING WE DON'T HAVE OTHER OTHER AGENDA ITEMS 'CAUSE WE'RE AFTER 10:30 PM UM, ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SPEND TIME WITH YOU. 
          UH, JENNY, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS FOR THIS EVENING? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. 
          THANKS. 
          ALL RIGHT THEN I WILL CALL US ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU MS. HARDER .
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