Mar 03, 2025 City Council

JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MS. OSA? YES.

WE WILL NOW RECONVENE THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF MARCH THE THIRD, 2025.

MS. FOX? YES.

MAYOR AROSE GROOMS? YES.

AND I WILL REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT WE WILL RESUME THIS MEETING IN THIS LOCATION AT 7:00 PM OKAY.

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AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE LEAD US? OH, UH, DID WE HAVE SOMEBODY FOR THE PLEDGE THIS EVENING? NO.

EXCELLENT.

AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? OKAY.

WE ARE NOW AT THE CITIZEN COMMENTS PORTION OF OUR AGENDA.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY CITIZEN TO COMMENT ON A TOPIC THAT IS NOT ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA.

UH, THERE WAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP OUT FRONT, UH, BUT IF YOU DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, WE WOULD STILL EXTEND IT TO YOU.

LINDSAY, DO WE HAVE ANY SIGN-INS, ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS? NOT ON THE AGENDA.

HEARING NONE, UH, CONSENT

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AGENDA.

IS THERE A REQUEST TO REMOVE THE FEBRUARY 18TH MEETING MINUTES FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? HEARING NONE.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. KEELER? YES.

TO THE INTRODUCTION, FIRST READING PORTION ORDINANCES OF OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

THIS BRINGS US, THIS BRINGS US

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FIRST ORDINANCE TO BE READ ZERO IS ORDINANCE ZERO FOUR DASH 25 REZONING APPROXIMATELY 14.2 ACRES FROM R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL TO PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR DEVELOPMENT OF 20 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS WITH 5.8 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF ZONING CODE SECTION 1 53 0.050.

I DO THANK YOU.

AND OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING WILL BE FROM RODDY SINGH.

THE SITE IS NOT UNDER ANY SPATIAL AREA PLAN AND NO NEW CONNECTIONS THROUGH THE SITE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR AND GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THE 14.2 ACRE SITE IS COMBINED OF TWO PARCELS, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN YELLOW AND A ZONED R ONE RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL.

THIS IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL SUBURBAN DISTRICT TO THE NORTHEAST AND WEST.

HOPEWELL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS LOCATED ACROSS BRIGHT ROAD TO THE SOUTHEAST AND FERRIS FRIGHT PARK TO THE SOUTHWEST, BOTH ACROSS BRIGHT ROAD SHOWN NEAR ARE SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS.

THE EASTERN PARCEL INCLUDES A STEEP WOODED RAVINE AND A FLOOD PLANE THAT FOLLOWS RIGHT ONE, WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN AS LINSLEY CREEK.

THERE USED TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOCATED ON THIS PARCEL WHICH WAS DEMOLISHED IN 2018.

THERE IS A GROVE OF MATURE TREES WHERE USED TO BE THE FORMAL HOME SITE AND THERE IS AN EXISTING ASPHALT DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF BRIGHT ROAD AND GRANITE CLIFFS DRIVE.

THIS PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE SITE FROM BRIGHT ROAD.

THERE ARE SOME EXISTING TREES ALONG THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.

THE WESTERN PART CONTAINS A SWALE AND AVOIDED AREA, WHICH IS REFERRED TO AS WESTWOOD BRIGHT ROAD HAS A VERY RURAL CHARACTER.

THERE ARE NO CURBS.

THERE IS A DITCH, THERE ARE SOME TREES AND THERE ARE HOMES WITH LOTS SETBACKS.

AND THIS IS A VERY LOW TRAFFIC VOLUME ROAD.

THIS WAS CUL-DE-SAC BY THE CITY IN 2020.

COMMUNITY PLAN IS A KEY POLICY DOCUMENT WHICH ASSIST IN THE EVALUATION OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS WHEN REZONING COMES AND HELP ENSURE THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ALIGNS WITH COMMITTEE'S LONG-TERM GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.

THE GOAL IS TO CREATE A TRANSITION FROM A RURAL SETTING TO SUBURBAN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE PRINCIPAL USES FOR THIS AREA IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE PROPOSED DENSITY IS 0.5 TO TWO DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

THE PROPOSED DENSITY FOR THIS SUBDIVISION IS 1.4 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE RECOMMENDED DENSITY WITHIN ENVISION DUBLIN.

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THE CITY ADOPTED NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES IN MARCH, 2023 TO ENSURE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENTS ARE MEETING THE INTENT AS OUTLINED IN THE CODE AND TO PRODUCE MORE CREATIVE AND SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND A VERY PURPOSEFUL OPEN SPACE NETWORK THAT PROVIDES LINKAGES TO CITY OPEN SPACE NETWORKS.

THE GUIDELINES FOCUSES ON PRESERVATION OF NATURAL HISTORIC FEATURES, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED STREETSCAPE, AND VERY UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH VARIETY OF DWELLING TYPES.

THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE INTENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.

IN 2004, CITY COUNCIL AMENDED A RESOLUTION THAT ESTABLISHED GUIDELINES FOR CONSERVATION DESIGN RESOLUTION.

THE MOST PROMINENT NATIONAL FEATURES WHICH ARE PRESENT ON THE SITES ARE BILLINGSLEY CREEK, WESTWOOD AREA, AND THE NASH LARGE TREES ALONG THE NORTH, THE SOUTH OF PROPERTY LINE, ALL OF WHICH ARE WELL PRESERVED ITS DEVELOPMENT.

IT WAS ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED AT THE CONCEPT PLAN BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THAT THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE INTENT OF THE CONSERVATION DESIGN RESOLUTION.

THE SITE IS ACCESSIBLE FROM BRIGHT ROAD AT THE INTERSECTION OF BRIGHT ROAD AND GRANNY CLIFF DRIVE.

THIS IS USING THE EXISTING CURB CUT.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF 20 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.

THEY'RE ORGANIZED AROUND TWO KIRBY UNION ROADS, WHICH WILL BE PUBLIC STREETS ONE TERMINATING IN CUL-DE-SAC SIDEWALK.

ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET IS PROPOSED, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN RED.

THERE ARE FOUR RESERVES WHICH ARE PROPOSED, WHICH ARE APPROXIMATELY 5.8 ACRES OF PUBLIC OPEN SPACE.

THE DEVELOPMENT IS INTENDED TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE ESTABLISHED CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE CONSUMING THE EXISTING NATURAL FEATURES ON THE SITE.

THE SMALLEST LOT IS 0.22 ACRE AND THE LARGEST LOT IS CLOSE TO HALF AN ACRE.

SITE SETBACKS ARE MINIMUM SIX FEET WITH A TOTAL OF 14 FEET PER LOT.

FRONT SETBACK IS 15 FEET WITH A REQUIRED BUILT TO ZONE OF 15 TO 20 FEET ON MATURITY OF THE LOTS.

AND THE MINIMUM PRIVATE OPEN SPACE VARIES FROM 20 FEET TO 25 FEET DEPENDING UPON THE LOT.

LOCATION DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS LARGELY MEET THE INTENSE AS RECOMMENDED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.

THE EXISTING TREE LOWS LINING, WHICH IS ALONG THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY LINE, ARE WELL PRESERVED AS NO BUILD ZONES AND THEY'RE WELL PRESERVED ON THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS.

THESE TREE LINING ALSO PROVIDES BUFFER BETWEEN THE EXISTING UNITS AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS REQUIRE LAND DEDICATION FOR OPEN SPACE AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.

A MINIMUM OF 0.88 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE IS REQUIRED BASED ON THE SITE ACREAGE AND THE NUMBER OF THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.

THE PROPOSAL IS FOR 5.8 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, ALL OF WHICH IS TO BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY 2.4 ACRES.

RESERVE A IS PRIMARILY COMPRISED OF VOLUNTEER T GROWTH AND THIS RESERVE WILL BE PRESERVED AS A PASSIVE COMMUNITY OPEN SPACE AND WILL INCLUDE ALL NECESSARY STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES.

THE CITY IS BEST SUITED TO MAINTAIN THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL STORM WATER MANAGEMENT BASIS TO ENSURE THAT IT'S PROPERLY MAINTAINED AND IT'S IN A GOOD WORKING ORDER.

IT HAS BEEN CITY'S PRACTICE TO MAINTAIN THESE BASINS AND PREVIOUS PROPOSED SUBDIVISIONS HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL RESERVE P, WHICH INCLUDES A PORTION OF BILLINGSLEY CREEK, IS PRIMARILY COMPRISED OF FEMA DESIGNATED SPATIAL FOOD HAZARD AREA.

CITY OF DUBLIN IS AGAIN BEST SUITED TO MAINTAIN THE WATERWAYS ON RESERVE B TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS PROPERLY MAINTAINED AND THERE IS A PROPER OPERATION OF WATERWAYS, WHICH IS CRITICAL.

THIS RESERVE WILL BE MAINTAINED IN ITS NATURAL STATE.

THE OTHER TWO RESERVES, WHICH ARE 0.29, RESERVE C CENTRAL CODE AREA AND 0.027 EAST COAT AREA ARE DESIGNATED TO PROVIDE AS OPEN SPACE CONNECTIONS.

AND THESE RESERVES WILL BE MAINTAINED BY HOA RESERVE.

SEA IS PROPOSED IN THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THE LOT, WHICH IS INTENDED TO BE GATHERING SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS AND WILL ALSO BE SUPPLEMENTED BY AN OPEN SPACE CONNECTION TO RESERVE WAY VIA AN ALLY.

THIS DESIGN INCLUDES PERIMETER FLASH CURVE WITHIN THE RESERVE SEA CLUSTER OF B TREES AND THERE IS A LOCATION OF MAILBOX FACILITY WITHIN THE RESERVE SEA.

FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ARE PROPOSED ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF STREET A AND THE REMAINDER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE PROPOSED WITH A DA ACCESSIBLE DRIVEWAYS TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE SIDEWALK, WHICH WILL BE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET.

FOR ENVISION DUBLIN'S SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREETS WITH ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO INTENTIONALLY DEPART FROM THE REQUIRED STANDARDS TO PRESERVE THE GREEN SPACES AND TO MAINTAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO MEET THE CURRENT CITY STANDARDS.

STAFF RECOMMENDED

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A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDE OF THE STREETS IN THE SUBDIVISION AND REVISED THE TEXT AT THE PCC MEETING.

GIVEN THE RULER CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE INTENT OF THE COMMUNITY, THREE COMMISSION SUPPORTED FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND THIS CONDITION WAS REMOVED.

STAFF WOULD LIKE COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK TONIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK LOCATIONS.

ENVISION DUB RECOMMENDS THAT THE PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE FACILITIES BE INCLUDED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.

THE CITY IS CURRENTLY WORKING TO EXTEND THE SHARED USE PATH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BRIGHT ROAD, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN RED DOTTED LINE.

THIS PATH WILL CAUSE SPILLING SEA CREEK AND WILL TERMINATE AT GRANITE CLIFFS DRIVE AT THE INTERSECTION OF BRIGHT ROAD AND GRANITE CLIFF DRIVE.

GIVEN THE CHARACTER OF THE BRIGHT ROAD WITH FEATURES SUCH NATURAL ELEMENTS AND THERE ARE CREEKS AND MATURE MATURE TREES, STAFF IS SATISFIED WITH SHARED USE PATH ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, WHICH WILL BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO ENSURE THAT IT IS CONNECTED OR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS CONNECTED TO THE FUTURE SHARED USE PATH AND TO MAINTAIN OPEN SPACE NETWORK CONNECTIONS, ONE CROSSWALK IS PROPOSED AT THE INTERSECTION AT THE PCC APPROVAL.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSED AN ADDITIONAL CROSSWALK WHICH WAS REQUIRED BY THE STAFF ALONG THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE SITE, WHICH IS JUST ACROSS FERRIS WRIGHT PARK.

THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE THEN ELIMINATED THE SECOND CROSSWALKS.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT BOTH THE CROSSWALKS ARE NECESSARY TO ENSURE CONNECTIVITY TO THE SHARED USE PATH AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLAN BE REVISED TO ENSURE THAT THESE CONNECTIONS ARE WELL SHOWN.

AN ACCESS PATH IS ALSO REQUIRED FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE STORMWATER BASIN, WHICH IS IN THE WESTWOOD AREA.

THIS RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL INCLUDED THIS CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A CONNECTED SHARED USE PATH WITHIN THE RESERV STAFF WOULD LIKE COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK ON THE SECOND CROSSWALK AS WELL AS THE CONNECTED SHARED USE PATH.

THESE ARE SOME CONCEPTUAL ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER IMAGES.

THE DEVELOPMENT IS INTENDED TO BE 5.1 0.5 TO TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HIGH QUALITY CUSTOM HOMES WITH TWO OR THREE CAR GARAGES AND THEY'LL BE THEMED ON EUROPEAN COUNTRY ARCHITECTURE.

THE CLADDING MATERIALS WOULD INCLUDE BRICKS, TONE, STUCCO, AND IT'LL BE DONE IN WHITE AND HERY TONE COLOR SCHEME.

THE STUDY HERE ARE THE PTP CRITERIA.

MOST OF THESE CRITERIA ARE EITHER MET OR MET WITH CONDITIONS AT THE FEBRUARY 6TH, 2025 MEETING.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL WITH NINE CONDITIONS WHICH ARE LISTED HERE.

AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE, APPLICANT HAS MET ALL OF THE CONDITIONS EXCEPT THE CONDITION ONE.

STAFF CONTINUE TO RECOMMEND PROVIDING A CONTINUOUS SHARED USE PATH PER CITY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS WITHIN THE RESERVE A AND REQUEST THE APPLICANT TO REVISE THE PLEDGE TO SHOW ADHERENCE TO THIS CONDITION PRIOR TO THE SECOND READING.

STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS PROVIDING THE CROSSWALK AT THE SECOND READING, WHICH WAS SHOWN AT THE PCC APPROVAL.

WITH THIS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE OH 4 25 AT THE SECOND READING HEARING ON MARCH 17TH, 2025 PRIOR TO SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE.

STAFF REQUEST FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL ON THE SIDEWALK LOCATIONS, KRA WALK, AND THE CONTINUOUS SHARED USE PART WITHIN RESERV.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY APPLICANT AS WELL TONIGHT.

OKAY, WELL, UH, LET'S TAKE A MOMENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC HERE THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT RELATIVE TO THIS APPLICATION? RANDY ROTH HAS SIGNED IN.

IF YOU COULD, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AND UH, PRESS THE BUTTON THERE TILL THE GREEN LIGHT COMES ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JOHN ROM.

I LIVE, UH, ON HANNA HILLS DRIVE.

I'VE GOT, UH, THREE OR FOUR NEIGHBORS THAT THIS PROPERTY ADJUSTS, ABUTS RIGHT UP TO.

WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING OVER HERE.

IN FACT, WE'RE KIND OF WELCOMING IT COMPARED TO WHAT WE COULD GET THERE.

, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, BIG DEVELOPMENTS.

SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS, IS, IS IS WHAT WE HAVE IN LINE WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS.

NONE OF THE STUFF IN THAT WHOLE

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AREA HAVE SIDEWALKS.

IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE STEPFORD WHEN YOU'RE BACK IN THOSE LITTLE SIDE STREETS.

THEY'RE ALL KIND OF COTTAGEY AND HOME-LIKE FEELING AND THAT'S JUST, JUST KINDA LIKE WHERE YOU WANT TO GROW UP, RIGHT? KIDS COULD RIDE A BIKE DOWN THE STREET AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TRAFFIC AND SO ON.

YOU HAVE A SECTION WHERE YOU WANNA PUT MORE PAVING IN AROUND THE WATER RUNOFF AREAS.

AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN 'CAUSE I HAVE WATER PROBLEMS IN MY BACKYARD.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PERCOLATE WATER THROUGH THE AQUIFER.

WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, GRAVEL PASS WHEREVER NECESSARY RATHER THAN PAVED SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE WATER RUNOFF.

WE HAVE WATER ACTUALLY COMING INTO THE, INTO THE PROPERTY GOING INTO THE AQUIFER.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

APPRECIATE IT.

VERY GOOD.

YOU'D LIKE TO PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD.

YEP, THAT'S YOU MR. ROTH.

GO AHEAD.

COME ON.

HE HAS TO COME.

, IF YOU PLEASE COULD PRESS THAT BUTTON, TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD.

ROTH ASSOCIATION AND I'M COMING TONIGHT PRIMARILY WITH THANK YOUS.

I WANT TO THANK MR. ADAMS AND HIS COLLEAGUES FOR MEETING WITH OUR CIVIC ASSOCIATION REPEATEDLY AND LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY WE HAD, UH, THE NEIGHBORS UP ON HANNAH HILLS, AS YOU JUST HEARD, AND THINKING ABOUT THE BUFFERING THERE AND HIS ATTENTIVENESS TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WE KNOW AS RESIDENTS FLOODS A LOT AND WILL PROBABLY BE FLOODING MORE IN THE FUTURE, REALLY MOVE THE HOUSES OUT OF THAT.

SO WE THINK THAT'S GONNA BE SAFE.

UM, IT WAS GREAT TO, IT'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH HIM.

UM, WE WORKED WITH HIS FATHER HOWARD YEARS AGO AND HIS PARTNER LEE GUZO ON THE CANADA LAKES DEVELOPMENT, WHICH SOMEBODY UP THERE KNOWS VERY WELL AND IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL TO SEE WHAT THEY DID WITH THE BOROUGH PIT.

WE KNOW THEY'RE GONNA DO A NICE JOB WITH THIS TOO.

WE'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF AND UM, PNZ FOR THEIR ATTENTION ON THIS AS WELL.

UM, ALSO ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR IS YOUR PATIENCE IN AND SUPPORT FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN IN EAST DUBLIN.

UM, AND PARTICULARLY FOR OUR BRIGHT ROAD PLAN.

I KNOW THAT JOHN AND I WORKED ON THAT IN 1997 AS MEMBERS OF THE, UM, UH, COMMUNITY PLANT STEERING COMMITTEE AND TO SEE IT COMING TO LIFE.

YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW IS GOT A BEAUTIFUL BURIAL MOUNT PARK, OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WE'VE GOT WE CARDINAL HEALTH OR MOUNT CARMEL, AND WE'VE GOT THAT ASSISTED LIVING THING, WHICH MAY BE BUILT SOMEDAY.

WE'VE BEEN WAITING ON THAT.

UM, BUT WE'RE SURE WITH YOUR PATIENTS WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET REALLY NICE DEVELOPMENTS ON THE REST OF IT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PRESENT THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS APPLICATION? HEARING NONE.

UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION, UNLESS YOU WANNA HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD.

IS THAT A COMMITMENT THAT YOU'VE MADE TO THE APPLICANT? YEAH.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.

PLEASE COME FORWARD.

I THINK THE MICROPHONE IS ALREADY ON FOR YOU THERE.

IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD.

UH, MY NAME IS BILL ADAMS, UM, UH, MANAGING MEMBER OF THE BRIGHT ROAD PARTNERSHIP.

UM, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

MOST ARE NOT HERE.

WE DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS NECESSARY TONIGHT, BUT PLANNING MKS KEY CIVIL, UH, ADVANCED CIVIL DESIGN, LEGAL, THE PLANK LAW FIRM ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT, BRIAN KENT JONES, AND OUR BUILDER PARTNER CORINTHIAN FINE HOMES.

WE, AS YOU HEARD, HAVE NINE CONDITIONS COMING OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING.

WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL BUT ONE, AND THAT DEALS WITH THE SHARED USE PATH IN THE WESTWOOD, WHICH STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SEE EIGHT TO 10 FEET WIDE ASPHALT PAVED, AND WE ARE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THAT.

UM, SOMEONE RECENTLY SAID TO ME, WE WANT IT NATURALIZED, NOT URBANIZED.

SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING AND HOPEFULLY, UH, YOU FIND THIS MORE THAN ACCEPTABLE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY RECEIVING A VOTE ON THE 17TH OF THE MONTH.

WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE BRIAN KINSMAN, WHO WILL ARTICULATE OUR STANCE ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

THANK

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YOU.

CAN I, MAY I? GOOD EVENING FOLKS.

BRIAN KINSMAN, SENIOR PRINCIPAL WITH MKSK.

UH, RTI HAS ALWAYS DID A GREAT JOB AT INTRODUCING THIS, SO I WON'T BELABOR THIS, BUT AS BILL HAS SUGGESTED, WE'VE GOT ONE ISSUE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPINION OF TOWN COUNT THE CITY COUNCIL ON, AND THAT IS THIS ASPHALT TRAIL.

IF I COULD ONLY GET THIS TO MOVE, THAT'D BE GREAT.

MAYBE WE'LL GO OLD SCHOOL AND FORWARD THE SLIDES, RON, FOR ON HIS BEHALF.

YEAH, I CAN SCREW IT FOR YOU.

IT'S ON MY APOLOGIES.

UM, A AS UH, BILLY HAD SAID, THIS IS A PRETTY DISTINCT OFFERING FOR, WE THINK FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN.

WE THINK WE HAVE FIT THIS INTO THE, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, UH, VERY WELL.

IT'S A, IT'S A HAMLET.

WE'VE LOOKED TO CONSOLIDATE OPEN SPACE AND THEN BRING THESE HOME SITES TO THE CLEARED AREA OF THE SITE AND PRESERVE AS MANY TREES AND AS MUCH AS THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS, THIS IMAGE, UH, THIS CENTRAL, UH, PORTION OF THE SITE IS WHERE THE HOME SITES ARE GOING.

THE FLANKING WOODED AREAS ARE TO REMAIN AS THEY ARE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE WESTWOOD, WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE SURGICALLY PLACING A DETENTION BASIN, A DRY BASIN, AND THEN RELANDSCAPING THAT AREA.

WE'RE ALSO GONNA AUGMENT THE EDGES AND THESE WOOD LOTS WITH NEW PLANTINGS.

WE'VE GOT A FAIR AMOUNT OF PLANTS THAT WE'VE GOT TO PUT BACK INTO THIS SITE, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE USING HIGH QUALITY PLANTS, INDIGENOUS, AND WE'RE GONNA BOLSTER THESE WOODLOTS SO THEY END UP BEING BETTER IN THEIR FINISHED CONDITION THAN YOU SEE THEM TODAY.

UH, AS, AS BILL HAD SUGGESTED, THE, THE ONLY, UH, POINT OF CONTENTION WITH US COMING OUT OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WE THANK THEM FOR ALL THE HARD WORK, UH, THE NINE CONDITIONS, EIGHT AND A HALF OF WHICH WE AGREE WITH.

UH, THE HALF THAT WE AGREE WITH IS PROVIDING FOR MAINTENANCE ACCESS TO THIS DETENTION BASIN, WHICH WE ARE SUPPOSING TO BE EIGHT FOOT WIDE, UH, COMPACTED AGGREGATE, NOT ASPHALT PAVED.

WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE CONFUSED AS A MULTI-USE TRAIL OR A SHARED USE PATH.

WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN OR BICYCLE TRAFFIC INTO THIS WESTWOOD BECAUSE IT IS THE BACKYARD OF SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORS.

UH, IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE IN THE BACKYARD OF TWO OF THESE, UM, THE NEW NEIGHBORS, OUR DEVELOPMENT.

SO THERE'S NINE HOME SITES THAT BACK UP TO THAT WESTWOOD.

AND OUR COMMITMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN TO KEEP IT IN THAT NATURAL CONDITION AS QUIET AS POSSIBLE.

SO ONCE THAT DETENTION BASIN AND DRY BASIN IS CRAFTED AND WILL WORK AROUND EXISTING TREES AND THE, UH, BOTH LAYOUT AND GRADING TO MAKE SURE WE PRESERVE AS MANY GOOD TREES AS WE POSSIBLY CAN OR PLACE WHAT WE HAVE TO, AND THAT IS THEN MEANT TO BE IN ITS NATURAL CONDITION.

UH, WE'RE ALSO CREATING A, UM, CASUAL PATH TO CONNECT THE CENTRAL COURT, WHICH IS, I THINK OF IT AS THE COMMUNITY'S LIVING ROOM.

THIS IS A PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY GATHER FOR FRIDAY NIGHT GANG DINNERS, AS IT WERE, AND, UH, HOLIDAY ACTIVITIES, BUT IS TRULY A FRONT YARD FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WHICH I APPRECIATE ALL THE FREE ADVICE I CAN GET.

SO WE'VE CONNECTED THIS EDGE OF THE WESTWOOD WITH THIS CENTRAL COURT THROUGH THIS CASUAL WALKWAY OR THE LA AND I WANNA BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THIS PARTICULAR SKETCH, PARDON THE GRAPHICS.

IT'S JUST A CRUDE CONCEPT THAT CONNOTES JUST THAT, THAT WE'LL HAVE THIS CASUAL PATHWAY, UH, CONNECTING BACK TO SOME SEATING AREA AT THE EDGE OF THE WOODS, BUT NOT PUTTING TRAIL THROUGH THE WOODS.

SO, UM, THIS IS A, A, A DEVIATION FROM WHAT, UH, STAFF HAS ASKED FOR.

WE'RE IN A PUD SITUATION, WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY OF THIS WOODLOT AND THE NEIGHBORS, UH, QUIET ENJOYMENT THEREOF.

SO WE'RE, UH, RESPECTFULLY DISAGREEING WITH THE NOTION THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO CONNECT THIS ASPHALT TRAIL.

WE HAVE SUFFICIENT BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGH OUR FRONT GATE, NON GATE, THROUGH OUR FRONT INTERSECTION TO WHAT MAY BE SOME FUTURE TRAIL THAT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BRIGHT ROAD.

BRIGHT ROAD ONLY HAS FIVE HOME SITES TO OUR WEST, AND IT'S A CUL-DE-SAC.

SO THERE'S NO THROUGH TRAFFIC, THERE'S NEW CONNECTING TRAFFIC.

IT COULD, AS MANY FOLKS KNOW, IT COULD EASILY BE THE QUIETEST STREET IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.

UH, THANK GOODNESS.

SO WE DON'T THINK THERE IS A, A, A NEED FOR THIS SECOND, UH, PATHWAY TRAIL SYSTEM INTO

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THE INTERIOR OF OUR SITE WHEN WE'VE PROVIDED FOR THAT WITH THE WALKWAY SYSTEM, UH, ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.

SO AGAIN, WITH THAT, UH, WE AGREE WITH THIS MAINTENANCE ACCESS TO THE, TO THE DETENTION BASIN AND TO ITS DISCHARGE DEVICE.

WE RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH THE NEED OR THE APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS ASPHALT TRAIL THROUGH THE WOODS OUTSIDE OF THAT.

WE'RE READY TO GO AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION, BRIAN, WHO WILL, UH, MAINTAIN, UH, A IS THAT, WILL THE HOMEOWNERS MAINTAIN THAT SO THAT WILL NOT BE A CITY RESPONSIBILITY? YES.

DO ANYTHING WITH THAT RETENTION BASIN? WILL IT? THROUGH, THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND, AND THANK THEM VERY MUCH FOR ALL THEIR ATTENTION THEY'VE GIVEN US TO THIS.

WE'VE HAD COPIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, WE STARTED OUT WITH BOTH OF THESE MAJOR GREEN SPACES TO BE HOA OWNED AND MAINTAINED.

UM, ENGINEERING HAS SUGGESTED THAT SINCE THERE'S GOING TO BE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IN THIS, IN THIS ONE, UH, UH, AREA THAT THEY WOULD LIKE, THIS CITY WOULD LIKE TO OWN IT AND MAINTAIN IT.

UH, UM, I, WE DON'T HAVE COMPELLING ARGUMENTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

WE WERE HAPPY TO.

OUR INITIAL, UH, PROPOSAL WAS TO KEEP THESE AS, UH, HOMEOWNERS AND, AND WE MAINTAIN THEM.

QUITE FRANKLY.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO MAINTAIN ANYTHING IN THOSE.

OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOTTA KEEP THE DETENTION BASE AND FREE AND CLEAR SO IT FREE FLOWS.

BUT OUTSIDE OF GETTING FUSSY LANDSCAPE TREATMENT IN BOTH OF THESE, WE'RE GONNA LET MOTHER NATURE TAKE OUR COURSE.

BUT AS IT STANDS NOW, IT IS CITY OWNED AND CITY MAINTAINED.

ALL OF THESE, ALL FOUR OF THESE RESERVES.

WHY WOULD WE WANNA MAINTAIN THAT FORESTED WALKTHROUGH, RE DETENTION BASIN OR RE RETENTION BASIN? I MEAN, I THINK THAT'D BE UP TO THE HOMEOWNERS TO DO THE IMPROVEMENTS ON IT TO MAKE IT NICE.

YOU'RE GONNA LANDSCAPE IT FROM YOUR, WHAT YOUR PLAN SAID.

I CAN'T SEE WHY WE'D WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT.

IT'S BEEN OUR PRACTICE TO, UM, OWN AND MAINTAIN RETENTION BASINS, NOT SO MUCH WITH DETENTION BASINS.

YEAH, SO THIS WOULD BE A DRY BASIN OUTSIDE OF A WATER EVENT.

SO, AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS THE MOWING, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IF IT'S GONNA BE A DRY BASIN, IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD I WANT OTHER TAXPAYERS TO PAY FOR MAINTAINING THAT BASIN WHEN THE HOMEOWNERS WILL DO IT THE WAY THEY PROBABLY WANT IT.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE, UH, DETENTION BASINS WHERE WE GOT WATER AND PROBLEMS, I CAN SEE I NEVER REALLY AGREED WITH THAT COMPLETELY THAT WE SHOULD BE MAINTAINING ALL THOSE EITHER.

BUT, UM, SO PERSONALLY I THINK, I THINK IT SHOULD BE GIVEN BACK TO THE HOMEOWNERS AND LET THEM DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, IF OR YOU ARE GONNA BUILD THIS LANDSCAPE THAT COMES OUT AND OVERLOOKS THIS THING.

AND THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S A FORCED HOA, I'M SORRY, IT'S A FORCED HOA IT'S A FORCED HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

I COULDN'T QUITE HEAR YOU.

YES, IT IS.

AND UM, HAPPY TO TAKE IT.

HAPPY TO MAINTAIN IT.

WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT CITY, UH, RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT, THAT, THAT APPLY.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY HAS, UH, ACCESS TO IT.

AGAIN, OUR INITIAL, UM, THOUGHT WAS THAT WE WEREN'T EVEN GOING TO PROVIDE A, AN AGGREGATE TRAIL BACK THERE THAT WE PROVIDE A CLEARING EVEN THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE WOVEN THROUGH THE TREES SO WE DON'T REMOVE ANY LARGE TREES.

BUT, UM, HAPPY TO TAKE IT BACK, HAPPY TO MAINTAIN IT.

IT'S, UH, IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, BACK TO YOUR TRAIL, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON TESTIFIED WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'D RATHER NOT HAVE HARD SURFACE GOING BACK THERE.

AND THEN SINCE YOU'RE TAKING OVER THE MAINTENANCE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE TRAIL ANY LONGER EITHER.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE A FOUR FOOT WIDE, UM, DECOMPOSED AGGREGATE TRAIL THAT YOU, YOU GUYS MAINTAIN SO YOU CAN MOW AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR AMENITIES.

THAT YEAH, THAT, THAT'S RIGHT.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER THERE, THAT, ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS WE HAVE IN HERE, I THINK IT WAS OF THADDEUS PARK, IS IT LOOKS TO BE MAYBE A SIX FOOT WIDE AGGREGATE PATH, BUT IT'S, THE UNDERSTORY MATERIAL IS CLEARED SO THAT IF CITY MAINTENANCE CREWS HAVE GOTTA GET A LIFT BED OR A PICKUP TRUCK BACK THERE, THEY CAN, UH, OR IF IT'S PRIVATE MAINTENANCE BY THE HIRED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, THEY CAN GET BACK THERE.

BUT, UM, GOT NO PROBLEM EITHER WAY WITH THAT ONE.

MAKES NO SENSE.

ONE MAN'S OPINION THAT THIS BE ASPHALT PAVED FOR SAKE OF PERIODIC MAINTENANCE FOR ALL THE REASONS SUGGESTED ENVIRONMENTALLY.

UM, AND TWO, WE JUST REALLY CAN'T SEE PUTTING PEOPLE AND BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, OF WHICH I AM A HUGE OF, BUT NOT IN THE BACKYARDS IN THIS PARTICULAR

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EVENT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

WE WILL TAKE, UH, COUNCIL QUESTIONS THAT'LL BE DIRECTED AT STAFF.

I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK MIKE HAS ANSWERS TO THE RETENTION BASE ON WE WANNA LET HIM GO OR GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

SO JUST TO GIVE PERSPECTIVE.

SO ULTIMATELY MY GROUP IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES THAT THE CITY HAS MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR ACROSS DUBLIN.

SO WHAT I CAN SAY IS WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED A VAC HAUL, WHICH IS BASICALLY A COMBINATION OF A VACUUM TRUCK AND ALSO A JETTING TRUCK.

AND WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE IT'S TWO 30 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, WE GET A CALL BECAUSE THE BASIN IS COMPLETELY OVERFILLING WITH WATER.

WE'VE GOT STORM STRUCTURES THAT ARE SURCHARGING AND WE NEED TO GET BACK OUT THERE WHEN IT'S DARK OUT.

USUALLY IT'S IN THE WINTER MONTHS.

SO THE CONDITIONS AREN'T GREAT.

SO THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IN MY EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH OUR UTILITY CREW THAT HAS TO DO THESE OPERATIONS IS TO NOT HAVE A HARD SURFACE PATH TO GET BACK INTO THAT AREA.

AND ALSO TO BE ABLE TO TRAVERSE AROUND THAT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY, THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR SOMEONE TO GO BACK OUT THERE AND MAINTAIN THOSE FACILITIES.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, I KNOW WE HAVE THAT CONDITION IN THERE ABOUT PROVIDING A HARD SURFACE THAT IS CONNECTED TO BE ABLE TO, ONE, GET ACCESS AND BE ABLE TO TRAVERSE AROUND THE BASIN.

BECAUSE AGAIN, IN MY EXPERIENCE, WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE WE'VE HAD TO HAVE OUR VAC HALL BASICALLY GO 300 FEET IN ONE DIRECTION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TRYING TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND THEN HAVE TO BACK UP ACCORDINGLY BECAUSE THERE WASN'T GREAT ACCESS AROUND THE AREA.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT PERSPECTIVE FROM OUR MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT ON CITY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING.

I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OCCURRING AND WHAT YOU'VE SAID OCCURRED IN A, IN A STORMWATER UH, DETENTION BASIN AND YOU'VE HAD THAT PROBLEM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, CORRECT.

AND THEN THIS THING WOULD OVERFLOW AND THEN BACK INTO THE HOUSES, NOT NECESSARILY BACK INTO HOUSES, BUT WE'VE HAD EXAMPLES WHERE WE'VE HAD DRY BASINS WITH THE OUTLET CONTROL STRUCTURE GETTING PLUGGED WHERE THE ENTIRE BASIN ITSELF IS SURCHARGING, AND THEN THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE CONNECTING LIKE THAT ARE TYING INTO THAT ACTUALLY FILL UP WITH WATER.

AND THEN WE'VE HAD INSTANCES ACTUALLY RECENTLY WHERE WE'VE HAD A CUL-DE-SAC WALL THAT WAS A COUPLE FEET UNDER WATER.

SO WE NEED TO GET OUR VAC HAUL.

AGAIN, THAT IS A, A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT HAS A VACUUM COMPONENT AND THEN A JETTING COMPONENT ALL IN ONE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM GO OUT THERE AND TRY TO GET THAT OUTLET CONTROL STRUCTURE UNPLUGGED SO WE CAN GET THE WATER TO DRAIN.

SO JUST LOOKING AT THIS PROPOSAL, AND I JUST HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT ONE, THE LACK OF CONNECTIVITY AND THEN THE MATERIAL THAT'S BEING PROVIDED, NOT BEING SUFFICIENT TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS OUR NEEDS, WHETHER IT'S CITY MAINTAINING OR IF IT'S AN HOA TRYING TO CONTRACT WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO GO OUT AND DO THAT.

OUR, FOR CONTEXT, OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT DESIGN MANUAL REQUIRES A STABLE PATH TO OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES.

AND I WOULD ARGUE IF YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINTER SEASON WHERE YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE SNOW ON THE GROUND AND WE CAN'T PLOW THAT BECAUSE IT'S AN AGGREGATE SURFACE THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR OUR CREW, WHETHER IT'S OUR CREW, IF WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN OR IF THE OHOA IS GONNA CONTRACT WITH A CONTRACTOR, THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY GET TO THE SITE SAFELY AND THEN BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

KATHY.

I HAD IF, IF YOU'D STAY THERE FOR WHENEVER, UM, TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE IS THERE IS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT, UM, FLOODING HERE.

UH, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND WHAT'S BEEN DONE AND WHAT SHOULD COULD BE DONE.

UM, AND THEN, UH, SECOND RELATED, UM, QUESTION IS WE HAVE A HISTORY, AND MAYBE YOU'VE ALREADY ANSWERED IN THE BEGINNING ABOUT OUR CONTINUED MAINTENANCE OF THEM FOR I THINK WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.

SO MAYBE IF THERE'S MORE ABOUT THE CITY'S HISTORY OF MAINTAINING IT VERSUS THE OWNERSHIP OF THE, UM, I'D LIKE YOUR PERSPECTIVES ON THAT AS WELL.

FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, OUR PRACTICE HAS BEEN ON RESERVES FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN TO OWN THE RESERVES OR GA REGARDLESS OF THE WHOLE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY ASPECT, BECAUSE THAT WAS A PRACTICE PREVIOUSLY THAT WE HAD HAD BASICALLY PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS OR AN HOA MAINTAIN THE LAND.

SO FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, IF THE CITY NEEDED TO GET ON IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION TO ADDRESS SOMETHING, THERE WAS A LEGAL CONCERN ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY.

UM, SO WE HAVE SEVERAL RECENT EXAMPLES FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THE CITY FEELS LIKE WE'RE BEST EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FUNCTION FUNCTIONALITY OF BASINS.

SO THE OVERLOOK AT TARTAN RIDGE, AUTUMN, ROSE WOODS, ISHARE FARMS, RIVIERA, THOSE WERE ALL EXAMPLES OF WHERE STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY TAKE OVER THE STORMWATER FUNCTIONALITY OF THE BASINS BECAUSE WE FELT THAT WE AS CITY STAFF, WE HAVE A UTILITY CREW, WE'RE BETTER EQUIPPED TO, TO MANAGE THOSE FACILITIES RATHER THAN PUTTING IT ON AN HOA

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AND THEN ABOUT FLOODING.

YEAH, AND THE FLOODING.

SO THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT.

SO AS PART OF OUR WATERWAYS MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF, SO THAT THAT IS REALLY OUR PROGRAM TO IMPLEMENT IF THERE'S BLOCKAGES, REMOVALS ON OUR WATERWAYS OR IF THERE'S STREAMING STABILIZATION ISSUES, THAT IS WHAT THAT PROGRAM IS ADDRESSED TO DO.

NOW, AGAIN, THAT IS SPECIFIC TO ON WATERWAYS, ON CITYUM PROPERTY OR WATERWAYS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WHERE WE HAVE DRAINAGE RESPONSIBILITIES.

THIS IS A CASE WHERE THIS IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

SO WE ACTUALLY ARE ACTIVELY CONTRACTING WITH FRANKLIN SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT AS PART OF THE WATERWAYS MAINTENANCE PROGRAM TO BASICALLY GO BACK OUT AND REINSPECT THE OVER 50 MILES OF WATERWAYS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.

SO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM TO PRIORITIZE HAVING THEM GO OUT AND INSPECT THE WATERWAYS ON THIS PROPERTY SO WE CAN ASSESS THE CONDITION.

AND MY EXPECTATION IS IF THERE'S ANY DEFICIENCIES IDENTIFIED, WE'D BE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE THEM CORRECT THOSE.

BECAUSE AGAIN, MY OPINION IS I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE TAKING OVER MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR A WATERWAY IF THERE'S IDENTIFIED DEFICIENCIES.

BUT AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE THE CITY AT A STAFF LEVEL RECOMMENDATION IS THE CITY IS BEST EQUIPPED TO MAINTAIN WATERWAYS THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR WATERWAYS MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.

AND IF I COULD ASK, WE ARE NOT, UH, REIMBURSED FOR ANY OF THAT REALLY BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS ARE WE OR MAINTENANCE OUR TIME, OUR MATERIAL, AND OUR PEOPLE.

IF, IF IT'S DETERMINED AND AGREED UPON THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS THAT THE CITY'S TAKING OVER THAT MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY, IT WOULD BE THE CITY TO MAINTAIN THOSE FACILITIES.

I GOT, I GOT A QUESTION LIKE BRIGHT ROAD HAS A, UM, RETENTION, A DETENTION BASIN, UH, AND YOU KNOW, IT GROWS, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, SOME PLACES GET 26 MOWINGS A A YEAR, RIGHT.

UH, IN THAT, ARE WE THE ONES MAINTAINING THAT OR THE OTHER ONES OR WHO IS ACTUALLY MAINTAINING THE BASINS WHO'S SO, SO WITH THIS SPECIFIC PROPOSAL, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE STORM WATER FUNCTIONALITY OF THE BASIN.

SO I'D REFER TO RODDY AS FAR AS THE OPEN SPACE, THAT'S NOT THE STORMWATER FUNCTIONALITY, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS PROPOSING AT A STAFF LEVEL TO MAINTAIN.

UM, I GUESS THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY WITH THE DRY BASIN IS THAT IS A SOMEWHAT LARGE DRY BASIN, SO THERE'S SOME NUANCES AND MAINTENANCE OF THAT.

I THINK OF THE WELLINGTON RESERVE DRY BASIN, WE HAD ISSUES WITH THAT IN THE PAST OF YOU, YOU'D HAVE A RAIN EVENT, THE BOTTOM OF THOSE BASINS WERE PRETTY FLAT, SO THEN YOU'D HAVE WATER SITTING THERE.

THERE'S CONCERNS WITH MOSQUITOES OVER TIME.

SO SINCE THAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE, I WOULD SAY WE HAVE REALLY ON AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, REQUIRED A MINIMUM SLOPE OF 2%, BOTH COMING DOWN THE BANKS OF A DRY BASIN AS WELL AS LONGITUDINALLY TO A DRY BASIN.

AND THAT WE REQUIRE AN UNDER DRAIN TO BE PLACED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BASIN.

AND THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT IS, SO WE DON'T HAVE STANDING WATER DAYS AND DAYS AFTER A RAIN EVENT BECAUSE THAT BECOMES A NUISANCE AS FAR AS MOSQUITOES.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING AND THE PLANS THEY DO SHOW AN UNDER DRAIN.

SO ENGINEERING WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S IMPLEMENTED.

SO HAVE WE EVER CO-OPT WITH A, UH, PROJECT WHERE WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THE ACTUAL DRAINAGE OF THE, OF THE BASIN AND THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION HAS TAKEN CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE OF IT, THE CONSTANT MAINTENANCE AS IN MOWING AND MAINTAINING THE DRAIN SO THAT THEY'RE NOT CLOGGED UP SO THEY'RE MORE FUNCTIONAL.

I MEAN, HAVE WE EVER DONE RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF HISTORY ON THIS AND IF YOU REMEMBER, THIS WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE ACTUALLY, UM, CITY COUNCIL RECOMMEND TO DEFER A TOPIC TO CSAC ABOUT THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, FUNCTIONALITY, WHO'S GONNA MAINTAIN THOSE.

AND I THINK THERE'S ABOUT 46 BASINS THAT ARE ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY THAT HOA IS CURRENTLY MAINTAINED.

SO I KNOW THIS WAS A SENSITIVE TOPIC.

I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO 2019.

2020 PERIOD.

WHICH IS REALLY FOCUSED ON, I BELIEVE IT'S 46, UH, AREAS WHERE RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHERE WE HAVE CITY OWNED PROPERTY, BUT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS FOR THE HOA SPECIFIC TO THOSE 46 SITUATIONS.

AND EVEN BEFORE THAT, THIS TOPIC GOES BACK TO A SERIES OF IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS WITH PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE AND THE PRACTICES THAT MICHAEL JUST WALKED THROUGH.

AND HE MENTIONED THAT THEY'VE BEEN IN PLACE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

THOSE THAT CHANGE WAS PROMPTED BY THOSE DISCUSSIONS AT THE PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE.

AND WHAT WE WERE SEEING AND HEARING AT THE TIME WAS WE HAD SEVERAL, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD HOAS COMING TO THE CITY REQUESTING FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE OR REQUESTING THAT THE CITY TAKE OVER MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES.

THEIR HO A DUES WEREN'T SET UP, UM, TO COVER THE, THAT EXTENSIVE OF A COST.

SO THESE PRACTICES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD AT THE PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE AT THE TIME.

SO THE, I GUESS THE OTHER PART OF THAT, UM, SO WE HAVE A STORM WATER GRANT PILOT PROJECT THAT'S IN OUR CURRENT CIP SO OUR FIRST YEAR I BELIEVE WAS IN 2022, OR YOU KNOW, WE UNFORTUNATELY COULDN'T GET TO THAT IN 2324, BUT IN 25 WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT KIND OF THE YEAR TWO OF THAT PILOT PROJECT,

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WE, WE ARE ASKING FOR THOSE HOAS TO REACH OUT, SUBMIT APPLICATIONS FOR ASSISTANCE, FOR US TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE NEEDS IF WE SEE A LOT OF NEEDS.

AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AS A CONVERSATION OF DOES THERE NEED TO BE A MORE PERMANENT PROGRAM IN OUR CIP TO ASSIST THOSE HOAS.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO GET TO, BUT RIGHT NOW WE WANT TO GET THROUGH THAT SECOND YEAR OF THAT PILOT PROGRAM.

NOW AS AN UPDATE ON THAT, WE JUST HAD OUR SPRING PROGRAM.

THE APPLICATIONS WE'RE DUE AT THE END OF JANUARY.

WE ACTUALLY DID NOT RECEIVE ANY APPLICATIONS FOR THAT.

WE TRIED TO MARRY THAT UP WITH THE BEAUTIFY YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD GRANT PROJECT JUST TO GET THAT ADVERTISING OUT THERE.

SO WE'VE BEEN PROACTIVE WITH OUR ADVERTISING.

THERE IS ANOTHER ROUND OF THAT IN THE FALL, SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP DOING THE SAME THING, TRYING TO ADVERTISE, TRYING TO GET, UM, HOAS AWARE FOR THEM TO SUBMIT.

UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME APPLICATIONS FOR THAT.

OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD TO GET ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS BASIN.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, UH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PAVING THE ENTIRE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THIS BASIN? SO THE, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS TO THAT.

SO ON THE STORMWATER FUNCTIONALITY SIDE, SO OUR DESIGN MANUAL CALLS FOR A MAINTENANCE BERM AROUND THE PERIMETER OF A BASIN.

SO THAT THE WORD MAINTENANCE FIRM IS A LITTLE BIT VAGUE, BUT THE INTENT BEHIND THAT IS, SO OUR UTILITY CREW, OR IF IT'S SOMETHING IN HOA, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT SHAKES OUT, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A FLAT SURFACE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BASIN FOR ACCESS.

NOW, IN ADDITION TO THAT, OUR DESIGN, OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT DESIGN MANUAL CALLS FOR A STABLE PATH TO THE OUTLET CONTROL FACILITIES.

AND AS PART OF THAT IS ACCESS AND MAINTENANCE.

SO AGAIN, THE CONCERN I HAVE WITH THIS PROPOSAL IS YOU BASICALLY HAVE A DEAD END ACCESS, WHICH I THINK THEY'RE PROPOSING AN AGGREGATE SURFACE.

SO I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT PROPOSING AND THE LACK OF CONNECTIVITY, AGAIN, FROM A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FUNCTIONALITY AND MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT AND HOW OUR VEHICLE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO TRAVERSE ALL OF THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHEN IT'S RAINING.

IT'S HARD TO SEE, TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THOSE FACILITIES AND THEN BASICALLY HAVE TO BACK UP ALL THE WAY TO GET BACK DOWN TO BRAND TO A BRIGHT ROAD.

SO, SO MY QUESTION, BECAUSE THIS PATH IS ALMOST DIRECTLY IN FRONT, AND I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IN FRONT OF THE FERRIS RIGHT PARK, 'CAUSE IT JUST, MY GRANDCHILDREN LIVE NOT VERY FAR AWAY AND, AND THEY WALK TO SCHOOL AND IF WE GET A SHARED USE PATH THAT COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN, PEOPLE COMING OUTTA THE PARK, SEEING A BLACK ASPHALT PATH DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARK, ARE GONNA THINK THAT'S A PATH.

THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY'RE GONNA THINK.

SO MY QUESTION TO YOU, I UNDERSTAND YOUR PROBLEM, I GET WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AND FOR SAFETY REASONS, I DON'T WANNA SEE KIDS WALKING DEEP INTO THE WOODS TO A RETENTION POND.

IS THERE A SURFACE THAT IS MORE RURAL LOOKING, SAY CHIP AND CH WITH GRAVEL OVER THE TOP THAT YOUR TRUCKS COULD MANAGE THAT WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE PAVEMENT? AND THE SAME WITH THE OTHER SIDE.

I MEAN, FROM WHAT I'M GATHERING, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL MUSE LOOKING COMMUNITY.

UH, AND WE'RE REQUESTING THAT IN OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES.

SO I, I THINK WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO BEND TO BE ABLE TO GET A DESIGN AESTHETIC THAT, THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? BUT DOESN'T RUIN THE AESTHETICS OF A DEVELOPMENT.

THERE HAS TO BE A MIDPOINT HERE SOMEWHERE.

I'M WONDERING IS CAN WE MAKE A COMPACTED GRAVEL PATH STABLE IF THERE WAS A WAY TO TURN AROUND? SO, UM, I'M ASKING IF THERE'S LEEWAY.

AND I ALSO KNOW THERE'S A TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY CONCERN ABOUT LACK OF CONNECTIVITY AROUND THE BASIN.

SO I'M, I'M SPEAKING DIRECTLY ON THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FUNCTIONALITY, BUT FROM AN AMENITY STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, IF I WAS A RESIDENT THERE, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ACTUAL CONNECTION WHERE I CAN GO AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BASIN AND ENJOY THE FACILITY.

I FEEL LIKE WITH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, THAT'S SOMEWHAT LACKING.

IF SOMEONE'S WANTING TO GO TO THE BASIN, THEY'RE GONNA BE WALKING TO THE END AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE FIGURING OUT, WELL, DO I JUST WALK IN THE GRASS TO GET TO THE OTHER AREAS? I KNOW THERE'S A BIT OF GRADING ON THIS SITE TOO.

SO IN REALITY HOW TRAVERSABLE IS THAT IF YOU'RE NOT ON A PATH ANYMORE? AND I GUESS HONESTLY THE PART OF IT TOO IS THE DEVELOPER'S PROPOSING A BASIN IN THIS LOCATION THAT THAT WASN'T A REQUIREMENT TO DO.

SO PUTTING A BASIN IN THIS LOCATION HAS KIND OF CREATED SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH.

OTHER QUESTIONS, I JUST, I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS.

UM, KIND OF PING PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT JANE SAID IN THE SENSE OF, IS IT POSSIBLE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING IT HAS TO BE A STABLE PATH.

UM, SO WHAT

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BASICALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS A, I THINK ALL THE OPEN RESERVE SPACES IN THIS AREA OF TOWN, NONE OF THEM HAVE SHARED YOUTH PATHS IN THEM.

SO YOU'VE GOT TO THE NORTH OF H HILLS, YOU HAVE RIVERSIDE, WOODS, THERE'S OPEN RESERVE SPACES IN THERE, NO PATHS.

UM, WELL TO THE EAST, WHEN THEY PUT IN BRYSON COVE, AGAIN, THERE'S WOODED RESERVES THAT THE CITY OWNS.

NO PATHS.

YOU GO FURTHER NORTH, THERE'S OPEN RESERVES THAT WE PUT INTO WIND OUT WOODS.

WE PUT IN BY THE TREE PLUS COMMUNITIES NORTH OF THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN TO THE EAST OF THE HIGH SCHOOL.

I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE APARTMENTS.

BUT ANYHOW, ALL OPEN RESERVES NO PATH.

SO THERE'S JUST A TREND IN THIS AREA THAT WE HAVE THESE NATURAL AREAS, THERE'S JUST TREES AND THE CITY OWNS THEM AND THEY'RE TREES AND THEY'RE OPEN SPACE, BUT NO PATHS.

SO I SUPPORT, UM, THE LEAST AMOUNT OF PATH POSSIBLE.

AND IF THAT MEANS WE NEED A PATH TO ACCESS THE POND FOR MAINTENANCE, BY ALL MEANS WE NEED TO ACCESS THE POND.

BUT I'M HOPING THERE'S A WAY WE CAN BUILD A PATH THAT, UM, IS NOT A SHARED YOUTH PATH.

AND, UM, I SEE CITY TRUCKS ON THE, UM, PATHS AND THADDEUS ALL THE TIME.

UM, THERE ARE TRUCKS THAT GO BACK TO THE STREAM.

THERE WERE TRUCKS THAT, AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT DROVE BACK THERE WHEN THEY REPLACE THE BRIDGE BACK THERE.

UM, SO I'M, I'M HOPING WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION THAT ISN'T ASPHALT, UH, THAT ALLOWS YOUR TRUCK TO TURN AROUND.

BUT IN MY OPINION, I, I'M NOT REALLY, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A CONNECTIVITY ISSUE BECAUSE NONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE CONNECTED THAT WAY.

THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY IT IS OVER THERE.

AND THERE WILL BE A SHARED YOUTH PATH ALONG BRIGHT ROAD LIKE THAT WILL BE THE MOBILITY PATH, THAT WILL BE THE BIKE PATH.

IT WILL COME FROM RIVERSIDE, IT WILL BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BRIGHT ROAD.

IT WILL TAKE YOU ALL THE WAY UP TO OUR PARKWAY.

UM, SO WE WILL GET THAT CONNECTION.

UH, BUT MY SUGGESTION IS TO HOPEFULLY FIND A MATERIAL THAT SUPPORTS THE TRUCK TO GET BACK FOR MAINTENANCE THAT IS AN A*****E.

I AGREE WITH AMY.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I SUPPORT THE CROSSWALK, UM, FOR SAFETY PURPOSES AND WITH THE SIDEWALKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THOSE KIDS TO GET TO SCHOOL SAFELY.

UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE PATH, I THINK THERE IS A VERY, UM, LOW IMPACT SOLUTION.

AND IT'S MORE OR LESS USING VERY LARGE AGGREGATE THAT'S COVERED IN DIRT AND GRASS IS PLANTED OVER IT.

SO YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT'S THERE.

I DO IT ON MY PROPERTY BECAUSE I HAVE TRUCKS COMING IN AND THEY HAVE TO TURN AROUND.

I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BACK UP OR MAKE A TURN AROUND THE POND IN ORDER TO COME BACK.

YOU DON'T WANNA GO DOWN THE PATH TO A DEAD END AND HAVE TO BACK STRAIGHT OUT.

SO I WOULD SUPPORT USING HEAVY AGGREGATE, UH, PROBABLY ALL THE WAY AROUND THE POND OR HAVING A LARGE ENOUGH PAD OF IT, BUT LET IT JUST LET IT GO.

IT'S NOT GONNA SOLVE THE WINTER ISSUE THAT, THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, SNOW REMOVAL.

YOU CAN'T REMOVE SNOW FROM GRASS.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, I FORESEE THIS, THIS, UH, THE NEED TO PUMP THE, THE BASIN NOT HAPPENING VERY FREQUENTLY, IF EVER, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THAT'S ANTICIPATED IN THE EVENT THAT THE, THE BASIN IS LET GO, UM, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, FIBERGLASS STAKES PUT ALONG THAT PATHWAY SO THAT THE DRIVERS KNOW WHERE TO GO.

SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THIS AS, UH, NATURAL AS POSSIBLE AND AND RESPECT THE, THE AREA.

ALL THE WAY OUT TO BRIGHT ROAD.

SO BRIAN, UH, YOU'RE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OF A RECORD.

I JUST WANNA SAY WHAT HE WAS SUGGESTING IS NUMBER TWOS WOULD LIKE NUMBER 50 SEVENS OVER 'EM.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? THIS? YES.

TO MEET HIS REQUIREMENT AND HER REQUIREMENT.

WE DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS YET.

SO LET'S GET THROUGH TO THE CONSENSUS PIECE AND THEN WE'LL ASK FOR, WELL, WE'LL ASK FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE CONDITIONS.

WE'LL, IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT WE COULD GET A CONSENSUS ON THIS.

BUT THE GENTLEMAN HAD JUST SUGGESTED THOUGH, IS WHAT IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT NOW, EIGHT FOOT WIDE COMPACTED SUBGRADE, COMPACTED AGGREGATE CLEARING PLACE FOR TURNAROUND.

COULD BE A HAMMERHEAD, COULD BE A LITTLE BULB, IF YOU WILL.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BACK

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I GET THAT.

CREATING A BERM AROUND THIS POND AND DON'T KNOW ABOUT A PAVED BERM.

IT SEEMS TO BE, UH, COUNTER TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN THIS WOODLOT, BUT GETTING ACCESS THAT IS DRY DRAINED WITH, WITH A CULVERT IF WE NEED TO, TO MAKE SURE A VEHICLE CAN GET BACK THERE, TURN AROUND AND COME BACK.

BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A TRAIL AND WE DON'T ENTICE PEOPLE TO GO BACK THERE.

THAT'S, THAT'S MY GOAL, TRYING TO SERVE BOTH OF THOSE.

I I THINK OUR CHALLENGE IS, UM, WE HAVE AN ENGINEER WHO'S TELLING US WHAT WE NEED TO DO FROM A STANDARDS PERSPECTIVE.

AND UM, BECAUSE WE'RE IN AN AREA THAT FLOODS A LOT, BOTH RESIDENTS SAID IT FLOODED, UM, IT WILL FLOOD.

IT WON'T BE A RARITY, IT'LL BE AN IT'LL HAPPEN.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PUT ASPHALT UNDER IT AND THEN COVER IT WITH SOMETHING.

SO IT LOOKS NICE.

I MEAN, IF THAT'S ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, MAYBE THERE'S SOME WAY, BUT I WOULD ASK THE ENGINEER TO COME BACK AND TALK TO US BECAUSE WE WILL.

IT HAS BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE.

IT WILL FALL ON THIS BODY TO DO IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT OR WHATEVER.

IT JUST WILL.

AND THAT WAS THE REASON, AND I SAT ON THE PUBLIC SERVICE WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, AS DID AMY AND I THINK MAYBE JANE AT THE SAME TIME.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGE IS IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

WE WANT IT TO LOOK NICE, BUT THEN IT HAPPENS AND THE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA WANT SOMEBODY TO COME CLEAN THAT THEY ARE GONNA WANT THAT DONE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY, IF WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A NATURAL LOOK, IF IT'S PAVED UNDERNEATH AND THERE'S SOMETHING ON TOP SO IT DOESN'T LOOK WHATEVER, UH, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO RESPECT WHAT OUR ENGINEER IS SAYING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I WOULD MAKE IS IF, UM, IF WE'RE DOING THIS FLOODPLAIN REVIEW, UM, AND WE FIND SOME, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONDITIONED ON THIS TOO.

UM, I HEARD THE PLACEMENT OF THE THE RETENTION POND COULD CHANGE.

I, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD HERE.

I, I DON'T KNOW IF NOT AFTER TONIGHT GETTING, NO.

OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND SOME WAY THERE.

SO I, I, I RESPECT, I WOULD ASK THAT THE ENGINEER FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT NATURAL, BUT IF IT NEEDS TO BE PAVED AND THEN SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN, I MEAN, WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO KEEP THIS THING SAFE AND AND CLEARED.

AND I WOULD THINK IF I WAS A RESIDENT IN A MILLION DOLLAR HOME, I, I WOULDN'T WANNA HAVE FLOODING IN MY BACKYARD.

UH, I THINK THERE IS A PRETTY SIMPLE SOLUTION IN GRASS PAVERS, YOU KNOW, THAT THESE THINGS EXIST.

UH, THEY'RE BASICALLY MADE OF CONCRETE.

YOU, YOU COMPACT YOUR SUBGRADE, YOU PUT THE GRASS PAVER ON TOP OF IT, YOU SPREAD SOIL SEEKS DOWN INTO IT, BUT IT PROVIDES A SURFACE AT THE TOP OF WHICH A VEHICLE CAN ROLL OVER.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO GRASS PAVERS.

I THINK IT WOULD HOLD UP TO, UM, THE TRAFFIC, THE INFREQUENT TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, BUT IT ALSO WOULD ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL OF HAVING IT, UM, APPEAR TO BE A NATURALIZED AREA.

IT'S VERY STABLE WHEN CONSTRUCTED WELL, UM, IT, IT WILL HOLD UP JUST FINE.

SO I GUESS I WOULD ASK, UM, FOR THAT NOW I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE, UH, DRAIN BODY HERE.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE BOTTOM OF THE DRAIN BODY'S AT 8 47 AND THE HIGHEST POINT AROUND THE DRAIN BODY IS 8 54.

AND THIS IS GONNA BE A QUESTION FOR ENGINEERING.

UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE OUTFLOW IS AT 8 53.

UM, IT DOES INDICATE THAT IT'S A PROPOSED DETENTION BASIN WITH AN UNDER DRAIN THERE.

I DON'T SEE THE MASS DRAINAGE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF THE DRAINAGE COMES INTO THE DETENTION BASIN FROM THE EAST AND EXITS TO THE SOUTHWEST.

UM, SO I, I GUESS I WOULD PROPOSE THAT IT IS MORE LIKELY THAT THIS BODY WILL NEED SOME SORT OF MAINTENANCE.

I, I THINK DRY BASINS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN THAN WET, UM, BECAUSE YOU GET A LOT OF SEDIMENT MOVING THROUGH THERE AND IT DRIES AND THEN YOU GET MORE COMING THROUGH THERE.

SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE PROVIDE SOME MAINTENANCE ACCESS TO THIS BECAUSE I, I PARTICULARLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I SPENT A LOT OF MY LIFE OVER IN THIS AREA AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF ROOT INTRUSION AND, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN SOME ACCESS.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE, UM, GRASS PAVER ROUTE, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THEM FREQUENTLY AROUND LARGE BUILDINGS FOR FIRE ACCESS? YEAH, AND I, AND I CAN SAY WITH MY EXPERIENCE PREVIOUSLY WITH THE CITY ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE WORKING WITH WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAD USED THAT PREVIOUSLY AND THEY NO LONGER USE THAT BECAUSE THEY SAID TRY FI TRY TO FIND THAT GRASS PAVER AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY WHEN IT'S SNOWING.

LIKE YOU CAN TRY TO DELINEATE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN, BUT IN REALITY THAT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO TRY TO NAVIGATE FIRE APPARATUS AS FAR, BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET TO A FIRE, SO, RIGHT.

I, YEAH, SO, AND FOR CONTEXT,

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UM, THE VAC HAUL IS THE EQUIPMENT THAT I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY.

THAT'S 33 TONS.

SO I MEAN THAT IS A PRETTY LARGE HEAVY VEHICLE.

SO IT IS, IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO TRANSVERSE THIS AREA.

I I THINK WE, I THINK YOU COULD DO IT WITH GRASS PAVERS.

I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE, TO THE GREATER BODY FOR THAT AND UM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF MATERIAL, LIQUID MATERIAL THAT'S GONNA BE MOVING THROUGH THIS AT, AT VARIOUS POINTS IN TIME.

SIDE, THROUGH THAT LITTLE PATH, YOU HAVE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE OVERLOOK.

SO WE HAVE EIGHT AND A HALF CONDITIONS THAT ARE AGREED TO, WE'LL CALL 'EM EIGHT 'CAUSE HALF CONDITIONS ARE HARD TO, UM, SO, AND WE'VE HEARD YOU AGREE TO THOSE.

I'M SORRY, I'LL, I'LL PAUSE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

NO, BUT WE'RE JUST GONNA TRY TO SET IT UP SO THAT WE'RE CAPABLE OF VOTING NEXT TIME.

UM, SO YOU HAVE THOSE EIGHT CONDITIONS THAT YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT TO.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE, WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF NAVIGATING TO DO ON THIS ACCESS PATH OF A MATERIAL THAT WOULD, UM, SUIT THE NEEDS FOR ACCESS AND INCLEMENT WEATHER, UH, WHILE MAINTAINING A NATURALIZED.

YEAH, I, I, I THINK THE, THE, THE BIG ISSUE FROM OUR STANDPOINT IS THERE AN ASPHALT THROUGH TRAIL OR NOT.

AND IF THAT IS, UH, OFF THE TABLE AS IT WERE, THEN WE NEED TO SATISFY, WHICH I THINK WE'VE ALREADY DONE ENGINEERING'S CONCERN WITH ACCESS WITH THIS GRADED AGGREGATE TRAIL BACK TO THE DETENTION DEVICE.

YES, HAPPY TO WORK WITH ENGINEERING TO GET THOSE PARTICULARS.

ROTI, ACTUALLY IN THAT SLIDE DECK, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF THADDEUS PARK THAT SHOWS THAT VERY AGGREGATE PATH THAT GOES BACK TO THE DETENTION FACILITY.

WRONG SLIDE DECK, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

IN, IN ANY, IN ANY EVENT, UH, THE GRASS BLOCK PAVERS, I GET IT.

I'VE INSTALLED, UH, TONS OF THAT STUFF.

I THINK THE POINTS ARE ALL WELL TAKEN.

THIS DOES NOT WANT TO BE MISTAKEN FOR A MULTI-USE TRAIL.

IT DOES NEED TO BE CLEARLY MARKED SO THAT MAINTENANCE CAN GET IN THERE WHEN IT'S SNOW COVERED.

UM, AND I THINK IN TERMS OF STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF GETTING A PATH BACK THERE FOR A VEHICLE TO USE AND TO BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND GET BACK OUT, THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN EASY FIX WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO ASPHALT OR GRASS BLOCK PAVERS.

AND IF WE CAN SIGN THAT SUCH MARK THAT, SUCH THAT IT IS A MAINTENANCE TRAIL AND NOT A MULTI-USE TRAIL, WE'RE GOOD TO GO IN THE INCOMING WATER TO THE EAST.

UH, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ACCESSED.

IT'S THE, IT'S THE SOUTH, WE HAVE WESTERN PORTION THAT WOULD LIKE, THROUGH ENGINEERING'S, UH, GREAT GOOD COUNCIL THERE.

THERE'S ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF THE EAST, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT DIRECT DRAINS INTO, UH, UH, UH, BILLINGSLEY RUN.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS DIRECTED TO THIS DETENTION BASIN, ALL OF WHICH ENDS UP IN THE SAME SPOT JUST DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT TRYING TO, UH, DIVERT AS MUCH WATER TO THIS DETENTION AREA AND RELATIVE TO BACKUP, THAT WOULD HAVE AN OVERFLOW DEVICE, WHICH WOULD GO RIGHT INTO THE VERY SWALE THAT EXISTS THERE TODAY.

SO OUR DISCHARGE FOR THIS DETENTION BASIN IS THE EXISTING SWALE THAT'S IN FOLKS' BACKYARD.

OH, OKAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, UM, AND THEN I WOULD AGREE WITH JOHN ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF THIS.

I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY TO HAVE THE DRAINAGE BODY, UM, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR PRACTICES.

BUT THE BALANCE OF IT, I THINK, CAN BE TURNED OVER TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

I WOULD IMAGINE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS, YOU WOULD MIGHT WANT SIGNIFICANT FLORAL PLANTINGS AT THE ENTRYWAYS, AND YOU MIGHT WANT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT MULCH MATERIALS THAT BE USED ON YOUR STREET TREES OR, UM, IN YOUR O YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL, BUT I, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN THE, THE TENSION BODY, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S, UH, GOING TO BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY ULTIMATELY.

BUT THE BALANCE OF IT, I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR THAT TO REMAIN OURS.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT, CHRIS, ABOUT THESE DETENTION BASINS SITTING ON PLANNING AND ZONING AND WATCHING, AND WE, THEY'RE SO NECESSARY, BUT THEY CAN BE A BEAUTIFUL FEATURE.

LIKE THEY'RE IN MUIRFIELD AND MANY TIMES WHEN WE'RE MAINTAINING THEM, WE'RE JUST MAINTAINING THE WATER QUALITY AND THE DRAINAGE PART.

BUT THE, BUT THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO BECOME A NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITY WITH, WITH SORT OF AN OVERLOOK IN THE PLANTINGS.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT HOAS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND THAT IT ISN'T JUST LOOKED AT LIKE A BUCKET OF WATER.

WELL, THEY'VE INDICATED THAT THEY DON'T WANT ANYBODY BACK THERE THAT'S IN, IN PEOPLES BACKYARDS AND THAT THEY DON'T WANT NO.

COMING FROM THE OTHER SIDE, THE EAST

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WE'VE GOT A VERY MODEST, AN ALLY A ROW OF TREES WITH A, WITH A CASUAL WALK, WHICH COULD BE DECOMPOSED GRANITE, COULD BE LIMESTONE, FLAGSTONE.

TO GET NOT ONLY OUR COMMUNITY, OUR 20 HOMEOWNERS, BUT OUR NEIGHBORS AS THEY COME INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT, INTO THE CENTRAL COURT, IF THEY WANNA WALK DOWN THAT 40 FOOT WIDE SWATH LA AND GET TO THE EDGE OF THE WOODS, NOT INTO THE WOODS, BUT TO THE EDGE OF THE WOODS SO THEY CAN TAKE IN THAT LARGER LANDSCAPE.

UH, SO BE IT.

AND WE, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH IT OR RIDING THROUGH IT, BUT TO ENJOY IT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ALL THOSE NEIGHBORS AROUND US THAT ARE ENJOYING IT.

BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ENTRANCE WAY THAN IT IS FROM THE BRIGHT ROAD.

IT, THAT ONE IS MAINLY JUST FROM THE IT D TWO DIFFERENT WAYS IN.

I DON'T WANNA TAKE MORE TIME.

I JUST THINK IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO.

IF WE CAN FIND A WAY THAT HOAS CAN DO A LITTLE LANDSCAPING AROUND SOME OF THESE AND MAKE 'EM BETTER AMENITIES, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

AND, UH, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CHIME IN YET.

YOU MIND IF I THANK YOU.

SO I AGREE THAT THE CITY SHOULD MAINTAIN THE, THE, THE, THE DETENTION BASE.

AND I THINK THAT MAKES REALLY GOOD SENSE.

UM, WE'VE SEEN IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN IT'S MAINTAINED BY HOA IT, IT COMES BACK HERE EVENTUALLY.

SO WHILE THERE MAY BE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT FOR THE FIRST 10 YEARS AFTER THAT, THERE WILL BE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.

UM, I AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE AS NATURAL LOOKING AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

I SUPPORT THAT.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

I ALSO AGREE THAT WE'VE GOTTA DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS, UM, RESPECTFUL OF WHAT THE ENGINEER HAS SAID AND WHAT WE, WHAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO TO GET BACK THERE.

I LIKE THE HOA BEING ABLE TO, UM, UH, LANDSCAPE IT AND, AND, AND KEEP IT LOOKING AS THEY WILL.

LET'S NOT FORGET IF THIS IS OWNED BY THE CITY, TECHNICALLY PEOPLE CAN GO THERE BECAUSE IT'S OWNED.

I MEAN, IT'S A PUBLIC PROPERTY.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST, I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

WHILE WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY ENCOURAGE RIGHT KIDS TO GO BACK THERE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, IT'S TECHNICALLY PUBLIC PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE MORE OPTION IS THAT THE HOA OWNS IT.

UH, THE CITY MAINTAINED THE BASIN THAT WAS, I THINK THAT WAS SCHEME 36 OR 37 AS WE DISCUSSED IT WITH STAFF MANY MOONS AGO.

BUT, UH, AND WE COULD GRANT AN EASEMENT FOR THIS PATH LEADING FROM BRIGHT ROAD TO THIS DISCHARGE DEVICE SO THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO MAINTAIN IT.

AND, BUT STILL THE, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION RETAINS OWNERSHIP.

ANY COMBINATION THEREOF.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE MUCH PROBLEM WITH, OKAY.

I THINK STAFF HAS CLARITY OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN.

YOU HAVE SOME TIME BETWEEN TONIGHT AND THE NEXT TIME THAT WE'RE TOGETHER.

UM, I THINK IT, THIS IS SCHEDULED FOR MARCH THE 17TH.

UH, AND WE WILL CERTAINLY ATTEMPT TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, A STOP GO.

UM, IF IT TAKES LONGER THAN THAT, THEN YOU KNOW THAT, SO BE IT.

BUT, UM, WE'LL, WE WILL SHOOT FOR MARCH THE 17TH FOR A SECOND.

READING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION YOU NEED ROCKY? YEAH.

UM, STAFF WOULD ALSO LIKE FEEDBACK ON THE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDE OF THE STREET WITHIN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS.

SO STOP, I THINK THEY AGREED TO THAT, THAT WE DID NOT, NO, THE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAD SAID THAT A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET IS SUFFICIENT, GIVEN THE SCALE AND THE SIZE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THAT WAS OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THAT IS IN VARIANCE TO THIS RECENTLY ADOPTED MOBILITY, UM, UH, INITIATIVE THAT THE CITY HAS.

BUT WE'RE IN PUD, WE THINK THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE ONE SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE, BUT ALL HOME SITES AND ALL DESTINATIONS HAVE HARD SURFACE CONNECTION.

UH, COUNCIL WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT BRIEFLY? I, WELL, I'D SAY IF PLANNING AND ZONING APPROVED IT ON ONE SIDE, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF, ON ONE SIDE, I THINK, UM, THE, THE TREE PLUS COMMUNITY THAT WENT IN UP BY WIND OUT WOODS, UH, VERY COMPACT COMMUNITY AND THEY ONLY PUT IT ON ONE SIDE AND IT STILL LOOKS LIKE TOO MUCH.

SO , UM, I, I SUPPORT ONE SIDE, ESPECIALLY IF PLANNING AND ZONING SUPPORTED IT.

I DO TOO.

I THINK, UH, IF YOU HAD A MORE LINEAR, UM, STREET ARRANGEMENT, WE COULD PUT IT ON BOTH SIDES.

BUT SINCE YOU'RE SO COMPACT AND YOU'RE IN A CUL-DE-SAC SITUATION AND IT'S REALLY TIGHT YEP.

YOU WALK ACROSS THE STREET WITH YOUR DOG.

OTHER THINGS I JUST WANTED TO THINK ABOUT WAS, UM, THE HOUSING STYLE ON PAGE 32, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE GET SOME VARIATION IN THIS HOUSING THAT'S INTERESTING.

AND THE BUILDER, AND IT'S PROBABLY BE ONE BUILDER BUILDING THIS, THAT IT'S NOT A UNIFORM LOOK THAT WE GET SOME CHANGES OF ELEVATION AND SOME INTEREST IN THE HOUSING, UH, STOCK.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S IT.

I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE, THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE EXECUTIVE HOUSING AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS

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'CAUSE THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A LOW END PROJECT FROM WHAT I CAN ASCERTAIN.

SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, I ALSO WONDERED ABOUT YOUR TWO AND THREE CAR GARAGES.

YOU KNOW, THE DEMAND RIGHT NOW IS STILL FOR THREE CAR GARAGES AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE BOUNCING BETWEEN TWO AND THREE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, OR, WELL, THESE ARE JOHN OR COUNCIL MEMBER.

THESE ARE ALL CUSTOM HOMES.

A A AS YOU KNOW, SO IT'S GONNA BE, AND WE'VE GOT ONE BUILDER AND IT'S GONNA BE IN ONE PHASE, SO WE'VE GOT SOME CONTROL OVER THAT.

BUT THAT VARIATION, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON.

SOME PEOPLE WANT A STONE HOME, SOME WANT BRICKS, SOME WANT, UH, UH, CLAPPER SIDING AND, AND A COMBINATION THEREOF.

IF THERE'S THREE GARAGE, UH, THREE BAY GARAGE ATTACHED, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT ON CERTAIN LOTS.

THERE ARE OTHERS THAT MAY HAVE TWO, TWO AND A HALF CAR WITH AN AUXILIARY THIRD CAR GARAGE AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY.

SO WE, AND ALL THAT WILL BE GOVERNED BY THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.

YES, MA'AM.

IT SHOULD BE REALLY A NICE PROJECT.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

YEAH, I'M, MAYBE I'M THE OPPOSITE ONE.

THIS IS, DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A VERY DEVELOPMENT TO ME.

THESE ARE BIG LOTS AND SO I'LL FINISH.

BIG, BIG LOTS.

PRETTY GOODS SIZE HOME.

WELL, LET'S GET ALL OF OUR COMMENTS ON AND, AND THEN IF WE HAVE A QUESTION OF YOU, WE'LL ASK.

SO, UM, YEAH, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A COMPACT LOT TO ME, AND I KNOW WE'VE PUT IN A STANDARD FOR SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.

SO WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH IS THIS BIG, BIG HOMES AREN'T REQUIRED AND THEN SMALLER ONES ARE REQUIRED.

SO IT FEELS INCONSISTENT TO ME.

I LOOK AT THE DESIGN, IT LOOKS FINE TO HAVE SIDEWALKS FROM A DESIGN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA FIT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE NICE, LOOKS LIKE PEOPLE CAN TRAVERSE THROUGH THERE.

SO I, I THINK OF ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN, THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGER ONES AND COULD ACTUALLY SUPPORT TWO-SIDED.

SO I'M, I'M PROBABLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE IN THAT ONE.

YOU KNOW, I, I, IN MOST CASES I THINK I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, KATHY.

I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING JUST BECAUSE OF THE AREA WHERE IT IS.

AND, UM, I, I, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE.

I THINK THE CROSSWALK SHOULD BE THERE.

UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME WE CAN CREATE SAFER PASSAGE, I THINK IS A GOOD THING.

UM, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD FROM US RELATIVE TO THE PATH.

UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL THREE OF THE BULLET POINTS.

ONE SIDE I THINK IS ADEQUATE.

I WOULD, UH, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

WE HAVE HAD LOTS OF PEOPLE COME IN HERE AND REQUEST ONLY ONE SIDE.

WE HAVE HAD VERY DIFFICULT, UM, EXISTING TREES THAT WE'VE REMOVED OUT OF PEOPLE'S YARDS IN ORDER TO MAKE ROOM FOR SIDES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

AND WE TOLD THEM THAT THAT WAS OUR PRACTICE AND THAT WAS THE THING THAT WAS WHAT WE DID.

AND SO WE DID IT TO THEM.

UH, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY IN THESE SPACES AND, UM, I THINK THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT WE BE CONSISTENT AND APPLY THOSE STANDARDS UNIFORMLY ACROSS THE CITY.

SO, UM, AND CERTAINLY THESE LOTS ARE LARGER THAN MANY OF THE LOTS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE SIDEWALKS IN THEIR FRONT YARD.

SO, AND, UH, THE SETBACKS HAVEN'T BEEN DETERMINED BY THE HOMES YET.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.

SO IF I COUNTED RIGHT, I LOSE.

BUT KATHY, YOU KNOW, IT'S FIVE I I HEAR, I HEAR FIVE PEOPLE SUPPORTING.

WELL, WE'RE NOT VOTING TONIGHT.

SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU SOME DIRECTION ON, ON WHERE TO GO WITH THAT.

UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE SOME COMPARISONS OF COMMUNITIES WHERE WE'VE, WHERE WE'VE SAID NOPE, BOTH SIDES AND THE SIZE OF THOSE.

SO IF IT'S A COMPACT ISSUE, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME EVIDENCE OF IT.

'CAUSE I WILL TELL YOU, THIS IS THE LEAST COMPACT THING WE'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME.

SO, UM, MAYBE NEXT WEEK WE COULD BRING THAT BACK.

I THINK WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS TONIGHT, MAYBE ENOUGH.

I WILL SAY THOUGH, JUST PART OF IT IS THE, ALL THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND HERE DON'T HAVE ANY SIDEWALKS.

SO TO ME IT'S A LITTLE OUT OF PLACE.

IT SEEMS EXCESSIVE TO GO FROM NONE TO BOTH SIDES.

WELL, WE'RE JUST CHANGING STANDARDS, RIGHT? I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT WE DID THAT ON THE, UH, MID-CENTURY MODERN NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I, I JUST AM TRYING TO PROTECT OUR INTEGRITY AND STAY CONSISTENT.

BUT GO AHEAD.

I COME FROM A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT ON THIS.

I BELIEVE THAT, UM, IN, IN THE CASES WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE A MOOD, WHICH IS IF THESE ARCHITECTURAL CONCEPTS ARE WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND YOU REALLY ARE GONNA BRING THIS DYNAMIC TO THE STREET SCAPE AND YOU ARE DOING A LOW CURB AND IT LOOKS LIKE A MUSE TO ME, YOU DON'T INTRODUCE A SUBURB SUBURBAN SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES BECAUSE IT RUINS THE AESTHETIC.

SO I, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE PRECEDENT AT SOME PLACES, BUT IN SOME PLACES WE HAVE TRADITIONAL SUBURBAN STREETS, SO IT LOOKS FINE.

SO FOR ME, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU MIGHT PUT ANOTHER COLOR ON OR A STAMP CONCRETE OR A COLOR.

TO ME, I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON HOW THAT LOOK IS.

I TEND TO GO WITH THE ONE SIDE IF IT CREATES THE AESTHETIC

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THAT YOU NEED.

WELL, THE WHAT IS BEFORE US THIS EVENINGS IS, IS THE ZONING THAT'S OVER PLACE, PLACE OF THAT.

AND, UM, AND THOSE, I'M PUTTING ON ONE SIDE.

UM, OKAY.

SO DID WE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEEDED PRIOR TO SECOND READING? YEAH, I WOULD JUST LIKE, UH, GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

I WOULD LIKE TO JUST PROVIDE ONE ADDITIONAL PIECE OF INFORMATION REGARDING SIDEWALKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, THERE IS A PROJECT IN THE CIP RIGHT NOW THAT DOES INCLUDE A STUDY TO CONSIDER ADDING SIDEWALKS ON BRIGHT ROAD AND IN THE AREA NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE ON IT COULD BE ONE SIDE, IT COULD BE BOTH SIDES.

THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED.

BUT THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS TO HAVE, UM, THE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.

SO AS WE CONTINUE TO CONTEMPLATE THIS PARTICULAR REZONING, I WOULD LIKE US TO INCLUDE THAT IN OUR, UM, DISCUSSION.

WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE, UH, A LOT OF INFORMATION AND, UH, THE TWO, WE, UH, WILL EXPECT THERE TO BE A LOT OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THESE TWO BODIES AND, UH, WHEN THE TIME IS APPROPRIATE, WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK AT THIS TIME.

WE WILL ANTICIPATE SECOND READING ON MARCH THE 17TH.

OTHER, UH, UNLESS WE NEED TO ADJUST THAT TIMETABLE.

HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING.

ZERO FIVE DASH 25 AMENDING THE ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2025.

ORDINANCE

[Ordinance 05-25]

I'LL REDUCE IT.

AND OUR STAFF REPORT WILL BE FROM JAMIE HOFFMAN.

GOOD EVENING.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ORDINANCE OH 5 25 AMENDS THE 2025 APPROPRIATIONS, ALSO KNOWN AS THE Q1 SUPPLEMENTAL.

THIS ORDINANCE CONTAINS RE APPROPRIATIONS OF CAPITAL PROJECTS APPROVED IN PRIOR YEARS, BUT NOT EXECUTED OR ENCUMBERED BY THE EXPIRATION OF THOSE APPROPRIATIONS.

IT ALSO CONTAINS FINANCIAL ADJUSTMENTS AND REQUESTS TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS OPPORTUNITIES TO UTILIZE RESTRICTED FUNDING FOR POLICE SEIZURE MONIES.

THE DESCRIPTIONS FOR EACH APPROPRIATION ARE OUTLINED IN THE MEMO AND STAFF AND I ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

HEARING NONE COUNCIL QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION.

I WANNA TAKE A MOMENT TO SEE IF THERE IS ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION.

SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, CAN YOU REMIND ME, CAN ANYONE REMIND ME HOW MANY ACRES THE CARTER FARMS PROPERTY IS? I ASK IT BECAUSE $255,000 TO JUST UPDATE THE RAIL STUDY JUST BECAUSE OF THAT ONE PARCEL SEEMS VERY HIGH.

SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE UPDATE ALL INCLUDES.

SO THE CARTER FARMS, UM, PARCEL IS 137 ACRES, SO IT IS QUITE LARGE.

UM, AND THE REASON WHY THE COST IS AS HIGH AS IT IS, IS BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE A HUNDRED ACRES AND THE 137 ACRES.

SO WE'RE MORE THAN DOUBLING THE SIZE OF THE AREA THAT IS BEING CONTEMPLATED FOR THE PASSENGER RAIL.

AND IN ADDITION, TAKING THAT, UM, DEEPER DOUBLE, DEEPER LEVEL DIVE ON THE LAND USE AND THE CONFIGURATION OF HOW ALL OF IT FITS TOGETHER.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT, WE'RE TAKING ANOTHER FRESH LOOK AND CONTEMPLATING BOTH SIDES OF THE RAILROAD FOR WHERE THE STATION IS BEST PLACED, THE, UM, LAND USE AND HOW IT ALL FITS TOGETHER.

SO THAT'S, UM, THE, THE PRICE.

AND IT, AND IT, SO IT WILL GET TO A DEEPER LEVEL.

THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

JEANNIE, DOES THAT NUMBER ALSO ANTICIPATE THE LOCAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE PHASE TWO STUDY? NO, IT DOES NOT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE COST ON THE, THE MONUMENTS.

UM, 161 K, UM, FOR DESIGN, I WAS THINKING THAT WE HAD ALREADY PAID FOR DESIGN ON THOSE MONUMENTS AND, AND WONDERED WHY IT WOULD COST 1 61.

COULD THAT NOT BE SOMETHING A CONTRACTOR COULD DO CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS ON? SO, UM, THE, THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE TO DATE, UH, DEVELOPED THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS AND THE IDEA OF WHAT THE MONUMENT SIGNS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

WHAT IT DID NOT DO IS DEVELOP THOSE DETAILED CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.

SO THE MONEY THAT YOU SEE IN THE Q1 RIGHT NOW IS FOR THE DETAILED CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, SO THAT THEN THE CONTRACTOR CAN TAKE THEM AND GO BUILD THEM.

IT JUST SEEMED LIKE IT WAS 1 61 SEEMED HIGH FOR MONUMENTS.

I AND THOSE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS ARE FOR EACH OF THE LOCATIONS? YES.

WHERE THOSE SIGNS EVERY SPECIFIC INCLUDING LOCATION, FACILITIES AND LIGHTING, LIGHTING, ALL THAT.

ALL THOSE.

THANK YOU FOR I APPRECIATE THAT.

MUCH MONEY WE HAVE IN THESE THINGS, AND I'M, I'M SWALLOWING HARD, SO, UM, I HAD THAT SAME QUESTION.

UM, I, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION IN THAT MAYBE NEXT TIME COULD YOU SHARE IN THE MEMO WHAT WE'VE SPENT ON DESIGN? I, I JUST, AND, AND ALL FOR THESE MONUMENTS? 'CAUSE I LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE, HOW

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UM, UM, A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.

UM, IN SECTION SEVEN, UM, THERE, YOU, YOU MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF THE MEMO THAT THESE ARE ADJUSTMENTS.

THERE'S A HUN 1,500,000 IN, UH, APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE FIBER TO THE HOME.

IS THIS NEW MONEY OR IS THIS REAPPROPRIATED MONEY? IT'S REAPPROPRIATED OKAY'S.

UM, IT WAS, UM, UH, APPROPRIATED IN 2024 AND IT'S JUST BEING ADJUSTED TO MATCH THE, UM, REVISED CONTRACT.

'CAUSE IN YOUR DEFINITION AT, AT THE TOP, MAYBE I, I READ IT WRONG, SO, OKAY.

SO THERE'S NO CHANGE IN DOLLARS.

CORRECT.

UM, ON THE, UM, UH, REC CENTER, THE 2 MILLION, 2.3 MILLION, UM, IS THAT THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAD PLANNED BEFORE? IS THERE ANY CHANGE IN DOLLAR AMOUNT TO THAT FIGURE? UM, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO IT, AND THAT'S JUST THE BALANCES LEFT OF THE ARPA FUNDING IS OKAY.

YEAH, I, I, I KNEW THE SOURCE OF IT.

I JUST WONDERED IF THE AMOUNTS HAD, AND THAT WILL COVER THE TWO SECTIONS IN ITS ENTIRETY THAT ARE UNDERDEVELOPED.

NOW.

I'M GETTING A NOD ON THAT.

WONDERFUL.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO THERE'S REALLY, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A COUPLE THINGS, THERE'S NO NEW DOLLARS ON IN THIS APPROPRIATION LIST, IS THAT CORRECT? THE ONLY NEW DOLLARS ARE, UM, FOR THE PD, UM, FOR THE USE OF THE POLICE SEIZE MONEY.

GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT.

OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MAYOR AROSE GROOMS? YES.

MR. REINER? YES.

UH, RESOLUTION 16 DASH 25 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS FOR THE DRONE AS FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LOOKING INTO THAT.

UH, NEXT,

[Resolution 16-25]

HONOR DO SO AND WE'LL STAY WITH DEPUTY CHIEF LATTANZI.

AGAIN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, BEFORE YOU IN THIS RESOLUTION, UH, RESOLUTION IS, UH, PERMISSION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS FOR THE PURPOSE.

UH, AS I MENTIONED, THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION FOR INSTALLING AND MAINTAINING DRONE'S, FIRST RESPONDER EQUIPMENT, THE CONTENTS OF THE AGREEMENT ARE THE SAME AS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY FOR WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP.

HOWEVER, THIS AGREEMENT WOULD PERMIT FOR THE INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE OF DFR EQUIPMENT AT DUBLIN SOTA HIGH SCHOOL, 4,000 HARD ROAD IN GELLE MIDDLE SCHOOL, 87 0 5.

AVERY ROAD STAFFER RECOMMENDS PASSAGE, UM, OF THE ENCLOSED RESOLUTION.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

RESOLUTION 17 DASH 25 DECLARING SUPPORT FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THE FEDERAL TAX EXEMPTION OF MUNICIPAL BONDS.

IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION? HEARING NONE COUNCIL QUESTIONS DISCUSSION.

JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL VICE MAYOR LUAU? YES.

[Resolution 17-25]

HONOR, DO THANK YOU AND GO BACK TO JAMIE HOFFMAN WITH THE STAFF REPORT.

WELCOME BACK.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL RESOLUTION 1725 DECLARES THE CITY'S SUPPORT FOR PRESERVING THE FEDERAL EXEMPTION OF MUNICIPAL BONDS.

THIS EXEMPTION IS SET TO EXPIRE IN 2025 UNDER THE TAX CUTS AND JOBS ACT, WHICH WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY, SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT MUNICIPALITIES BY INCREASING THE COST OF BOND ISSUANCES, LIMITING THE ABILITY TO FINANCE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AND LEADING TO AN INCREASE IN TAXES AND FEES FOR TAXPAYERS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 1725 AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

VERY GOOD, THANK

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YOU.

IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING THAT FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION? HEARING NONE COUNCIL QUESTIONS DISCUSSION.

JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MS. FOX? YES.

MR. REINER? YES.

MR. ROSA? YES.

18 DASH 25 ADOPTING THE COMMUNITY HEALTH NEEDS ASSESSMENT STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN.

[Resolution 18-25]

I WANNA DO SO.

AND WE WILL GO TO MOLLY STEINER FOR THE STAFF REPORT.

GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY.

A DRAFT OF THE COMMUNITY HEALTH NEEDS ASSESSMENT STRATEGIC PLAN WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON FEBRUARY 18TH FOR FEEDBACK AND REVIEW.

THIS PLAN INCLUDED DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE FOUR HEALTH PRIORITY AREAS ALONG WITH SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES, ACTION STEPS, ORGANIZATIONAL FRAMEWORKS, AND TARGET MEASUREMENTS.

BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE LAST MEETING, THE TRANSPORTATION ACTION STEPS HAVE BEEN REVISED, SO THEY EACH HAVE A SUBJECT ASSIGNED TO THEM.

AS YOU CAN NOW SEE HERE, FEEDBACK FROM THE FEBRUARY 18TH MEETING ALSO INCLUDED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COST OF THE DETERMINED OBJECTIVES.

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS SLIDE, THE MAJORITY OF THE OBJECTIVES WILL NOT HAVE A TRUE DOLLAR COST, BUT WILL REQUIRE STAFF TIME AND EFFORT AND OR TIME CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE VARIOUS WORK GROUPS AND PARTNERS.

THE REMAINING OBJECTIVES WILL HAVE AN ESTIMATED FINANCIAL COST.

THIS WORK CAN BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE CITY'S IONS AND THE USE OF DUBLIN POLICE SEIZURE FUNDS.

THE COMBINED OPERATING BUDGET LOCATION FOR 2025 IS JUST OVER $40,000, AND THE CURRENT POLICE SEIZURE FUNDS ARE $30,000 FOR A TOTAL AVAILABLE BUDGET OF JUST OVER $70,000.

THE ESTIMATED COST FOR THE OBJECTIVES IS LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT IS ALLOCATED.

COUNCIL ALSO HAD QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK ON HOW SUCCESS WILL BE MEASURED FOR EACH OBJECTIVE IN THE PLAN.

BASELINE AND TARGET MEASUREMENTS ARE INCLUDED.

EACH WORK GROUP ALSO IDENTIFIED MULTIPLE PROCESS MEASURES AND AT LEAST ONE OUTCOME MEASURE THAT WILL HELP DETERMINE SUCCESS AND GUIDE.

FUTURE WORK PROCESS MEASURES INDICATE WHAT AN ORGANIZATION OR COMMUNITY DOES TO MAINTAIN OR IMPROVE HEALTH.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT WORK WAS DONE, OUTCOME MEASURES REFLECT THE IMPACT OF THE WORK THAT AN ORGANIZATION OR COMMUNITY DID TO MAINTAIN OR IMPROVE HEALTH, IMPROVE HEALTH.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT EFFECT DID THE WORK ACHIEVE? BOTH TYPES OF MEASURES ARE CRITICAL TO EVALUATION AND PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT.

PROCESS MEASURES ARE PARTICULARLY VALUABLE DURING THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE OF A NEW PROGRAM OR INITIATIVE.

THEY ASK QUESTIONS SUCH AS, HOW IS THE PROGRAM BEING IMPLEMENTED? WHAT SERVICES ARE BEING DELIVERED? WHO IS RECEIVING THE SERVICES? WERE THE PROGRAM MATERIALS DELIVERED AS INTENDED? WERE THERE ANY BARRIERS TO PROGRAM PARTICIPATION? THEY HELP IMPROVE OUTCOME MEASURES BY SHOWING WHAT ACTIONS ARE BEING TAKEN AND IDENTIFYING AREAS THAT NEED IMPROVEMENT, WHICH HELPS CONTRIBUTE TO ACHIEVING THE DESIRED RESULTS.

HERE YOU CAN SEE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES FOR THE COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS PRIORITY AREA.

THIS INCLUDES THE ACTION STEPS, THE BASELINE AND TARGET MEASUREMENTS, AND WHETHER IT IS A PROCESS OR AN OUTCOME MEASUREMENT.

IN SOME INSTANCES, BENCHMARK DATA FROM THE INITIAL SURVEY WAS USED TO GUIDE TARGET OUTCOME MEASUREMENTS.

BY CONDUCTING FUTURE FOLLOW-UP SURVEYS, THE DATA CAN BE USED TO COMPARE MEASURES OF SUCCESS.

FOR EXAMPLE, DETERMINING WHETHER THE OBJECTIVES AND ACTION STEPS HAVE LED TO AN INCREASE IN THE PERCENT OF RESIDENTS WHO FEEL CONNECTED TO THEIR NEIGHBORS STAFF RECOMMENDS PROCEEDING WITH THE OBJECTIVES AND ACTION STEPS OUTLINED IN THE FINAL PLAN AND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 1825, ADOPTING THE COMMUNITY HEALTH NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

WANNA TAKE A MOMENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? IF THERE IS ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION? HEARING NONE COUNCIL QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION.

YOU SAY, WELL, WHAT SHOULD OUR GOAL BE? RIGHT? YOU DON'T WANNA SET IT TOO HIGH OR YOU DON'T WANNA SET IT TOO LOW.

I I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, YOU TOOK THE FEEDBACK AND PUT IT INTO A FORMAT THAT I THINK IS VERY DIGESTIBLE.

UM, IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT WHEN YOU START WITH A BASELINE AND

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LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.

I I REALLY, I, I APPRECIATE THIS APPROACH.

I LIKE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ASKING YOURSELVES.

UM, AND IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, THE BASELINE, THE GOAL THAT YOU SET FOR YOURSELF TO REALLY FIGURE OUT IN THAT SECOND YEAR RIGHT AFTER YOU GET THAT BASELINE TO DETERMINE IF, IF THE, THE GOALS HAVE BEEN SET APPROPRIATELY AND THEN ADJUST FROM FROM THERE.

SO I, I REALLY LIKE THIS, UM, UH, THE WAY THAT YOU LAID THIS OUT.

UH, AND I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY INFORMATIVE AND, AND REALLY HELPFUL.

UM, SO I I JUST, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I, I'M SORRY, I JUST, UM, YES, I LIKE THE CHANGES.

I, THE ONE THING I DO WANNA SAY IS I, I QUESTION THAT I THINK THE COSTS ARE A LITTLE LOW, HONESTLY, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU, YOU ARE, YOU'RE FACTORING IN ALL LIKE, UM, TIME.

I GET IT.

BUT I THINK THE HARD COSTS MIGHT BE HIGHER THAN WE THINK.

EXAMPLE BEING, UM, ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES LISTED ON THIS EXAMPLE WAS EXPAND OUTREACH EFFORTS FOR THE MICRO TRANSIT FOR SENIORS, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS LIKE THE DUBLIN CONNECTOR.

I WOULD, I WOULD ENVISION A LOT OF THAT.

UM, OUTREACH MIGHT ENTAIL PRINTING THINGS.

UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR SENIORS DON'T USE SOCIAL MEDIA OR AREN'T, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD THINK WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO SOME MAILINGS OR PUT AN AD IN THE DUBLIN LIFE MAGAZINE WHERE THE, THOSE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING.

SO I JUST CAUTION THAT WE ACTUALLY MIGHT NEED TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE THAN WHAT'S IN THERE.

I DON'T THINK IT CAN ALL BE DONE THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA.

WELL, I'M GONNA TAG ONTO WHAT YOU JUST SAID AT THE, AT THE LAST MEETING, I COMMENTED THAT MY WORRY WAS THE COMMUNICATION OF THIS.

YOU'LL BE OUT IN THE, AND OUR PARTNERS WILL BE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'LL BE DOING THESE THINGS, BUT THERE'S NO BRANDING TO IT.

SO FOR INSTANCE, LIKE WHEN THE HEALTHCARE WORKERS GO OUT TO PLACES, IS IT GONNA BE BRANDED THAT IT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS A RESULT OF THE HEALTHCARE ASSESSMENT IN OUR STRATEGY? I FEEL LIKE IF IT'S EVERYWHERE, PEOPLE WILL, IF YOU HAVE A BRANDING NAME, UM, THEN EVERYONE'S GONNA KNOW THAT THIS IS A RESULT OF A CITY INITIATIVE.

AND THE SAME THING WITH A CONNECTOR.

UM, UM, YOU MIGHT WANNA PUT A LITTLE, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, MAGNETIC PLATE SAYS, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE CITY'S HEALTHCARE INITIATIVE, WHATEVER THE BRANDING IS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT GIVES PEOPLE THE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO, WELL, WHAT IS THAT? AND THEN WHEN THEY SEE THE NEXT THING, IT MIGHT WORK FOR THEM OR THEY MIGHT BE CURIOUS ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.

WHEN WE DO THE DOUBLE AND GO APP, UM, I THINK IT'S A PERFECT PLACE FOR THE LINK TO ALL THOSE RESOURCES.

I THINK ANYWHERE THAT WE DO ANY KIND OF ADVERTISING.

UM, BUT I DO THINK IT HAS TO BE BRANDED IN SOME WAY, AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE, IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT.

SO WE DO HAVE A MEETING THIS WEEK WITH LINDSAY AND HER TEAM TO DISCUSS THE COMMUNICATION PLAN AND THE IDEA OF BRANDING AND WHAT THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT LOOK LIKE.

SO WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT THIS WEEK AND MOVING FORWARD WITH SHAPING WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

YEAH, I WASN'T GONNA COMMENT THIS, BUT I MIGHT, I I MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE A CONTRARY VIEW.

I THINK YOU NAMED THREE BRANDS DURING YOUR DISCUSSION.

GO DUBLIN CONNECT OR WHATEVER.

I, I THINK MAYBE WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BRANDS OUT THERE, WHICH I THINK IS NOT, I THINK IT'S NOT HELPFUL TO ADD ANOTHER ONE.

UH, YOU KNOW, IF IF IT'S GO DUBLIN, THEN IT'S GO DUBLIN, RIGHT? PICK ONE AND INTENSIFY THAT ONE INSTEAD OF THE PROLIFERATION, WHICH IS A, I I THINK MAYBE WE'VE GOT OURSELVES, BUT YOUR POINT IS STILL MAKE IT MAKE IT ASSOCIATED.

I WOULD MAKE THAT COMMENT.

UH, I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT THE PROLIFERATION OF BRANDS, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA HELP.

THAT MIGHT, BUT I WOULD SAY, UM, I ALSO WANNA ECHO THE, THE, UM, THIS IS CLEAR.

IT MAKES GOOD SENSE.

I LOVE THE OUTCOME MEASURES BECAUSE I, I THINK WHAT YOU HEARD FROM COUNCIL IS, I, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE EVEN MORE DOLLARS SPENT ON THIS.

I'M NOT GONNA COMPARE IT TO HOW MUCH WE TALKED ABOUT DESIGNING MONUMENT SIGNS A LITTLE BIT AGO.

BUT I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY OF DESIGNING A SIGNS, AND I'M NOT MINIMIZING THAT, BUT COMPARING IT TO $40,000 TO INCREASE THE HEALTH, I, I THINK WHAT YOU HEARD FROM US IS THIS TOOL.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT HELPS US.

SO YOU CAN COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN REALLY MAKE AN IMPACT FOR X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS.

AND I THINK THAT WAS THE PER, AND I THINK YOU'VE LAID IT OUT VERY NICELY.

SO HEAR US WHEN I THINK WE'RE ALL SAYING IS THAT IT'S AN IMPORTANT, IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING.

AND WE WE'RE ASKING FOR THE DOLLARS TO BE LESS.

WE WERE ASKING FOR THE DOLLARS FOR CLARITY AND, UH, AND SUPPORT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, AND, AND KATHY, YOU MAKE A

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GOOD POINT.

I DON'T WANNA BRAND EVERYTHING.

I JUST WANT THIS INITIATIVE TO HAVE AN IDENTIFIABLE, UM, FOCUS SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S A, IT'S A CITY INITIATIVE.

SO IT ISN'T JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE PARTNERS AND THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS.

AND SO I THINK EVERYBODY'S WORKING UNDER ONE UMBRELLA, AND I JUST THINK THE UMBRELLA SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF A NAME TO IT.

I THINK YOU'VE DONE AN NICE JOB OF BREAKING THIS DOWN INTO VERY ACTIONABLE TACTICS.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS GROUP WANTED TO SEE.

THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 70,000 IN THIS BUDGET, AND YOU'RE SPENDING ONLY HALF OF IT OBVIOUSLY GIVES US SOME ROOM TO PLAY, BUT IN THE NEXT, SAY SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.

AND IF WE NEED TO ALLOCATE MORE, WE WILL.

THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR THE WORK ON THIS.

I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO LIFT SOMETHING UP FROM NOTHING, THERE'S A LEARNING CURVE AND A LOT OF CHALLENGES AND YOU NAVIGATED THEM REALLY WELL.

UH, MY ONLY ASK WOULD BE IS, IS THIS IS WONDERFUL, LET'S GO FORWARD ON THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH BUDGET CYCLES AND THINGS, UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO INCLUDE STAFF TIME AND INCLUDE ALL OF THE, THE WRAPAROUND OF, OF WHAT THE TRUE COST IS TO US.

AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY, IT'S JUST WE WANT TO ACCURATELY REPRESENT WHAT THE SPEND IS ON THIS.

AND I, I THINK THIS BODY IS GONNA BE VERY PROUD TO MAKE A SPEND ON THIS.

UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE OLD ADAGE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR HEALTH, YOU HAVE NOTHING.

AND IF YOU HAVE YOUR HEALTH, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING IS, IS TRUE.

AND SO, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE COME TO BUDGETING, ASIDE FROM THIS, ONCE THIS IS ALL FINISHED AND YOU HAVE YOUR STRATEGY IN PLACE AND YOU'RE GOING TO EXECUTE IT AGAIN IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, UH, WHEN WE COME TO BUDGET SEASON, I THINK IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DEDICATED STAFF MIGHT BE TO THAT YOUR TIME, ANYONE ELSE'S TIME, UM, TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THE FULL SPEND ON THAT I THINK WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.

SO JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

SO WE DON'T GET THE BUDGET SEASON AND SAY, WELL WAIT A MINUTE, LET'S GO ALL THE WAY BACK AND DO THIS OVER AGAIN.

UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

UM, IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER, JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE? MR. OSA? YES.

MS. FOX? YES.

MAYOR AROSE GROOMS? YES.

MR. REINER? YES.

BRINGS US TO THE OTHER BUSINESS PORTION OF OUR AGENDA.

THIS

[2025 DIF and Independence Day - Maximizing Cost Recovery & Ticket Pricing]

AND THE FIRST ITEM IS THE 2025 DUBLIN IRISH FESTIVAL, INDEPENDENCE DAY, MAXIMIZING COST RECOVERY AND TICKET PRICING.

AND OUR STAFF REPORT WILL BE BROUGHT TO US BY ALLISON LEROY.

WELCOME ALLISON.

GOOD EVENING.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, JUST, I KNOW WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION LAST WEEK ABOUT EVENTS, UM, BUT OUR MAIN GOAL TONIGHT IS REALLY TO UPDATE COUNCIL ON WHAT STAFF'S BEEN DOING THIS LAST YEAR TO TRY TO, UM, CONTROL COST CONTAINMENT, BUT ALSO TO GET APPROVAL FOR TICKET PRICING FOR, UM, BOTH THE INDEPENDENCE DAY AND THE IRISH FESTIVAL.

UM, WE SAW A LOT OF THESE NUMBERS LAST WEEK, SO I WON'T GO TOO IN DEPTH, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE POST PANDEMIC, UM, FESTIVALS HAVE NOT BEEN AS FINANCIALLY SUCCESSFUL.

WE HAD SOME GREAT PLANS, WE THOUGHT IN PLACE, UH, THAT WE HAD MADE IMPROVEMENTS IN 23.

WE HAD HOPED TO MAKE A LOT OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IN 24 AS WELL, AND WE'RE NOT TREATED KINDLY BY THE WEATHER.

UM, SO AS WE'VE TALKED CAL COST OF OUTPACED INFLATION, UH, WE HAVE A STRATEGY THIS YEAR.

THIS IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE AMOUNT, UM, THAT RIGHT NOW WE, IF WE HAD IT TODAY, WE WOULD BE, UM, REDUCING OUR COST BY $78,000.

UM, SOME OF THAT INCLUDES SOME SERVICES AND ENTERTAINMENT.

UH, ONE OF THE EXAMPLES WAS USED LAST WEEK.

WE EXPANDED SOME OF THE TIMEFRAMES FOR SOME OF THE BANS.

WE BROUGHT IN SOME MORE STATESIDE BANS INSTEAD OF IRISH BANS THAT HELPED US REDUCE THOSE COSTS.

THERE'S MINIMAL THINGS.

UM, JUST TODAY WE WERE LOOKING AT OUR TENT, UM, ORDER AND WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE ABOUT $4,000 JUST IN REDUCING THE SIZE OF SOME TENTS THAT WERE MAYBE OVERSIZED, SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'VE ALSO GONE OUT AND BIDDING SOME DIFFERENT SERVICES.

SOMETIMES WE AREN'T SAVING A LOT OF MONEY, BUT ONE EXAMPLE IS JUST IN OUR IRISH FESTIVAL APP.

WE, UM, 'CAUSE TECHNOLOGY I THINK HAS INCREASED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE SIGNED A DEAL THREE YEARS AGO, WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO SAVE $10,000 AND ACTUALLY ADD A LOT OF DIFFERENT SERVICES FOR THE APP.

SO WE ARE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

UH, WE ALWAYS ARE LOOKING AT REDUCING OUR STAFF AND, AND WHAT WE CAN OUTSOURCE.

SO ONE EXAMPLE, WE REALLY, UM, OH, SINCE THE PANDEMIC, THAT NUMBER HAS GONE, THE AMOUNT OF STAFFING HAS GONE DOWN.

UM, ONE OF THE BIG EXAMPLES IS WE ADDED THE, UM, THE MORE PROFESSIONAL TALL FENCING AROUND THE FESTIVAL.

INSTEAD OF OUR STREET STAFF WOULD GO OUT AND PUT OUT THE ORANGE FENCING THAT WOULD TAKE THEM OVER A WEEK.

SOME PLACES WE HAD TO DOUBLE FENCE FOR SECURITY.

SO THAT WAS A HUGE COST SAVINGS OVER

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THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.

SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T WORK THOUGH.

WE, UM, LOOKED AT OUTSOURCING OUR, UM, SHUTTLE SERVICE FOR ENTERTAINERS AND IT ACTUALLY, WHEN WE RAN ALL THE NUMBERS, WE WERE ACTUALLY SAVING $6,000 DOING IT WITH STAFF VERSUS USING AN OUTSIDE COMPANY.

SO WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO LOOK AT THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS AND NOT JUST MAKE A KNEE JERK REACTION.

LIKE, YEAH, IF WE OUTSOURCE, IT'S GONNA BE CHEAPER.

IT MAY NOT BE, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE REALLY, UM, LOOKING TO DO, WE, A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE MOVED FROM TOKENS TO JUST CREDIT CARDS AT, UM, AT THE BEVERAGE STATIONS, MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE JUST IN THE AMOUNT OF CASH AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME STAFF SPENT DEALING WITH THAT MONEY AND MOVING THE TOKENS AROUND AND SUCH.

AND SO WE ARE LOOKING THIS YEAR TO DO A VERY SIMILAR EXPERIENCE WITH OUR TICKET SALES AND OUR MERCHANDISE SALES.

SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ACCEPTING CASH AT OUR TICKET SALES LOCATIONS.

ALSO, OUR, OUR TICKET SALES HAVE GONE DOWN DRAMATICALLY ON SITE 'CAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE BUYING THEM ONLINE.

UM, ALL OF OUR CASH HAS GONE DOWN, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO GET RID OF THAT.

BY DOING THAT, WE CAN SAVE $20,000 IN STAFFING, BOTH BETWEEN THE FINANCE STAFF AND THE POLICE STAFF, BECAUSE IT ALWAYS REALLY HAS BEEN A VERY INTENSIVE STAFF AREA.

WHAT WE'LL DO INSTEAD, IF SOMEONE DOESN'T WANNA USE, UM, A CREDIT CARD, WE WILL HAVE REVERSE ATMS ON SITE.

AGAIN, WE TESTED THEM LAST YEAR, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THEM.

YOU SEE 'EM AT DIFFERENT VARIOUS VENUES.

I THINK I SAW ONE YESTERDAY AT THE AIRPORT.

UM, YOU JUST PUT YOUR CASH IN IT AND IT, IT SPITS OUT LIKE A VISA CARD THAT YOU CAN USE ANYWHERE FOR THOSE, UM, WHO ARE NOT COMFORTABLE DOING THAT, THE FINANCE STUFF IS STILL GONNA SET UP A PLACE INSIDE THE REC CENTER.

SO IF YOU WANNA WALK INTO THE REC CENTER AND USE CASH, YOU WILL STILL BE ABLE TO USE CASH THAT WAY.

UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR OUR EVENT OPERATIONS, NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE VENDORS.

SO THE REVENUE ENHA ENHANCEMENT.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE KIND OF HARP ON WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OVER AND OVER IS OUR NON-DEPENDENT, UM, WEATHER INCOME.

WE, UM, WERE REALLY HAPPY LAST YEAR.

WE WERE UP TO 22% IN THAT SECTION OF OUR INCOME GOING INTO LAST YEAR, WHICH, UM, COULD HAVE REALLY, YOU KNOW, SAVED US A BIT IN A YEAR.

THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT WORSE.

SO SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS STRATEGY TO INCREASE THE REVENUES.

AND AGAIN, THESE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE.

UM, I USE THIS EXAMPLE.

UM, WHEN I STARTED THIS, UH, THE MEMO AND THE PRESENTATION, WE HAD A CONSERVATIVE $25,000 ESTIMATE FOR ADDITIONAL SPONSORSHIP.

LAST WEEK WE SIGNED A NEW $20,000 SPONSOR, SO WE KNOW WE'RE ALREADY GONNA BE QUITE A BIT OVER THAT.

IT'S RVING.

IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED, YOU'LL GET TO GO AND SEE SOME BIG RVS ON SITE THIS YEAR.

UM, ALSO OUR VENDOR FEES, WHICH WE'LL GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AND THE BEVERAGE PRICING IS ANOTHER ONE.

WE'LL GO INTO DETAIL.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN, IN THAT $65,000 NUMBER.

WE KNOW ANYTIME THAT WE INCREASE OUR ATTENDANCE BY $5,000, THAT IS A NET INCREASE OF ABOUT $81,000.

UM, SO WE'LL DISCUSS HOW THAT KINDA AFFECTS LATER.

SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE VENDOR FEES.

SO WE DID LOOK AT A PERCENTAGE BASED SYSTEM.

WE DID A LOT OF BENCHMARKING ON THIS.

WHAT WE FOUND IS, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON, UM, OHIO, CENTRAL OHIO SPECIFICALLY, UH, WE HAVE ONLY FOUND TWO FESTIVALS THAT DO USE A PERCENTAGE SYSTEM.

ONE OF 'EM IS COM FEST, THE OTHER IS LILLY FEST, UH, WHICH IS DOWN IN HAWKIN COUNTY, A SMALL EVENT.

AND, UM, WHAT WE'RE FINDING WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, OUR REV OUR OUR FEES WERE A LOT HIGHER THAN MOST OF THE OTHER EVENTS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW TOO WAS OHIO STATE FAIR DOES USE THE PERCENTAGE.

SO IN THOSE LONGER TERM EVENTS IS WHERE WE ARE SEEING IT IN COLUMBUS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN WE LOOKED AT EVEN IRISH FESTIVALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, MOST OF THEM WERE PERCENTAGE, BUT IT'S JUST NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR MARKET HERE.

SO WE TOOK, LOOKED AT THE PROS AND CONS, OF COURSE.

UM, WE LOOKED THAT, UH, THE PROS REALLY IS, IS WE COULD POSSIBLY RAISE MORE MONEY AND WE, IF SOMEBODY HAS A REALLY GREAT YEAR, THEN WE'D ACTUALLY SHARE IN THAT AND THERE WOULD BE CONSISTENCY FOR CUSTOMERS.

SO IF THEY WALKED UP, WE WOULD HAVE A POS SYSTEM THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SQUARE, THEY'RE ALREADY USING SQUARE AT THE BEVERAGE CARDS, THEY COULD GO THEN USE SQUARE AT WHICHEVER VENDOR THEY WANT.

AND SO IF FOR CONSUMERS IT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER, WE DID LOOK AT THE COST OF IT THOUGH.

AND, UM, FOR JUST THE EQUIPMENT AND THE MONITORING, IT WOULD BE $32,000.

AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE OUR STAFF.

AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, UM, THE, THE, THE OTHER SIDE, THE FLAT FEE, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS THERE REALLY IS A CONSISTENCY IN REVENUE.

WE KNOW WALKING IN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE, UH, IT REALLY COSTS US VERY LITTLE.

IT'S ONE OF OUR HIGHEST, UM, COST RECOVERY ITEMS. WE MAKE ABOUT 340% OF WHAT THE COST IS, AND THAT INCLUDES OUR STAFFING COSTS ON THAT.

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SO WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING QUITE A BIT ON THAT.

AND IT'S ABOUT NINE AND A HALF PERCENT OF OUR ENTIRE REVENUE.

IT'S ALSO WHAT PEOPLE ARE USED TO.

I MENTIONED THAT.

AND, UM, WITHOUT HAVING, UM, SOMEBODY ON STAFF GOING AROUND AND, YOU KNOW, COUNTING EVERYBODY'S MONEY, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE LOSING IN THAT CASE.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE BENCHMARKED AND ASKED SOME OTHER PEOPLE WHAT THEY WERE MAKING.

SO FOR THIS YEAR, UM, APPLICATIONS WERE ACTUALLY DUE ON SATURDAY, MARCH 1ST.

AND, UH, WE DID RAISE OUR VENDOR FEES FOR ABOUT 5% AVERAGE.

SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF VENDOR, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND WE EXPECT TO HAVE A 17% INCREASE IN REVENUE.

I DID ASK DOUG ON OUR STAFF TODAY IF HE HAD ANY REACTIONS, IF ANYBODY HAD ANY REACTIONS TO THE 5% INCREASE.

UH, TWO OF THE PEOPLE THAT DROPPED OUT ARE RESTAURANTS.

UM, ONE OF 'EM SPECIFICALLY, UH, TOLD DK DINER IS A RESTAURANT IN GRANDVIEW.

BREAKFAST RESTAURANT IS GREATLY IMPACTED BY THE PRICE OF EGGS RIGHT NOW.

JUST CANNOT.

SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US AND OUR PRICING.

UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SEEING A HUGE, A GROUP OF PEOPLE DROPPING OUT BECAUSE OF OUR, OUR VENDOR FEES.

UH, WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE, THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T DONE, WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT ALL OF OUR VENDORS USE CREDIT CARDS.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAD A HANDFUL, UH, ONE SPECIFICALLY OLD BAG OF NAILS, WHICH WAS ONE OF OUR MOST POPULAR VENDORS, JUST DIDN'T TAKE CREDIT CARDS.

SO IT'S NOW A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED IN UNLESS THEY TAKE THOSE CREDIT CARDS.

UM, SO THAT'LL ADD A LITTLE BIT TO OUR GUEST EXPERIENCE TOO, THAT THEY CAN STILL USE THE ATMS ON SITE.

WE'LL HAVE THE ATT M AND THE REVERSE ATMS ON SITE, BUT THEY CAN USE EITHER CREDIT OR CASH DEPENDING ON THE VENDOR.

AND WE'LL JUST KEEP REEVALUATING IT AND LOOKING AT THIS AND SEEING WHAT THE COST MIGHT CHANGE.

IT WAS INTERESTING TO TALK TO OUR COLLEAGUES AT OTHER IRISH FESTIVALS.

UM, WE SAW ANYWHERE FROM PEOPLE MAKING ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT.

WE WERE, SOME MAKING A LITTLE LESS DEPENDING ON THE PERCENTAGES THEY WERE CHARGING.

AND THEN THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE MAKING QUITE A BIT MORE THAN US.

SO THEIR PERCENTAGES RANGED ANYWHERE FROM 10% TO 25% AT THE VENDORS WE WERE LOOKING AT.

SO BEVERAGES, UH, WE MENTIONED WE DON'T ACTUALLY EXPECT TO MAKE ANY MONEY ON THIS COST INCREASE OUR SOFT DRINKS AND WATERS.

UH, WE'VE BEEN CHARGING $3 SINCE 2020.

OUR COST, UM, TO US HAS GONE UP 20% IN THAT TIME.

UH, SPECIFICALLY THIS YEAR WAS AN EX QUITE A JUMP.

WE WERE A LITTLE SHOCKED BY THAT.

AND SO WE KNEW THAT IF WE DIDN'T RAISE OUR COSTS THIS YEAR, THAT WE'D ACTUALLY BE MAKING A LOT LESS MONEY, UM, ON THOSE PRODUCTS.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE IN, UM, PREDICTING THE INCREASE TO THREE POINT, OR FROM $3 TO THREE AND A HALF DOLLARS, WE WOULD NOT MAKE ANY EXTRA MONEY ON THAT.

BUT WE DID GO OUT AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS DOING.

SO WE PRETTY MUCH ARE FALLING RIGHT IN WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS.

WE'RE NOT OUTPACING WE WON'T BE THE LOWEST ANYMORE.

UM, BUT YOU CAN SORT OF SEE THAT WE'RE IN LINE WITH WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING IN THE MARKET.

BEER'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

UM, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN OUR FINAL COST YET.

WE HAVE SOMETIMES WE, IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THEY SET IT.

UH, WE HAVE HEARD ALUMINUM'S BEEN GOING UP AND SOME OTHER PRODUCTS, SO WE, UM, COULD HAVE AN INCREASE.

RIGHT NOW WE OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS HAVE ONLY SEEN THREE TO 6% INCREASE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PRODUCT IS.

UH, SO WE'RE REALLY NOT, UM, MAKING THIS JUMP NECESSARILY BECAUSE OF THE COST INCREASE.

ALTHOUGH WE KNOW IT, IT COULD COME, BUT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT OTHERS IN THE MARKET AND SEEING THAT WE'RE A LITTLE LOW.

WE DO DO A 20 OUNCE POUR.

MOST OF THE OTHER EVENTS ARE DOING A 16 OR AN 18 OUNCE POUR.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT PER POUR, WE ARE VERY MUCH ON THE LOW END.

UM, NATIONWIDE YOU'LL SEE HERE LOOKS WAY OUT.

YES, THEY DO CHARGE A LOT MORE, BUT I THE MOST OF THEIRS ARE 20 OUNCE, UM, POUR.

SO THEY WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO THAT.

SO FROM US GOING FROM EIGHT OR $9, WHICH IT DEPENDS ON THE PRODUCT.

SO LIKE OUR COORS LIGHT IS A CHEAPER PRODUCT TO US THAN THE GUINNESS IS TO US.

SO WE DO IT BASED ON WHAT THE, UM, COST TO US IS WHERE WE SET EITHER THAT EIGHT TO NINE OR NOW EIGHT 50 TO $9 ON THOSE.

UM, WE WOULD GET, UNLESS WE, THE PRICES COME BACK CONSIDERABLY DIFFERENT.

AND AGAIN, WE WON'T KNOW THIS UNTIL SOMETIMES WE DON'T KNOW IT UNTIL A MONTH OUT.

UM, SO WE WOULD ESTIMATE THAT WE WOULD BE AT ABOUT A 23 PER $23,000 INCREASE SHOULD PRICES NOT INCREASE FOR THE TICKETS THEMSELVES.

WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING A TICKET CHANGE.

THE LAST TIME WE MADE THE, THE LARGER CHANGE, UM, WAS IN 2020.

UM, AND AT THAT POINT WE WENT UP TO $30 FOR THE ONSITE TICKET THAT YOU SEE HERE.

WE ARE GETTING LESS THAN 20% OF OUR ATTENDEES PAYING THAT $30 PRICE.

THEY'RE REALLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THOSE PRE TICKET PRICE SALES.

UH, THE

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ONE THING THAT WE IMPLEMENTED LAST YEAR WAS DOING, UM, THE PRICE CUTOFF.

IT WAS 14 DAYS, WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE NORMAL, UH, WEATHER REPORT.

WE'VE SEEN THIS FROM OTHER EVENTS THAT WERE DOING THE SAME, MOST OF THEM DO ABOUT A MONTH OUT.

UNFORTUNATELY, OUR MONTH WOULD PUT US AT 4TH OF JULY.

SO WE DECIDED WE NEEDED TO HAVE THAT BUFFER IN THERE.

UM, BUT AT ONE POINT IT WAS, I THINK 18 DAYS OUT WE WERE 35% HIGHER ON TICKET SALES THAN WE WERE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

SO THAT, THAT, HAVING THAT FINAL PRICE BREAK THAT FAR OUT SO THAT THEY DON'T KNOW THE WEATHER REALLY DOES HELP US INCREASE, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR REVENUE AND IT'S NOT SO WEATHER DEPENDENT AGAIN.

UM, SO WE DO PUT THAT PRE-SALES IN THE NON WEATHER DEPENDENT SIDE.

THE ONLY, UM, CHANGE THAT IS MADE ON HERE WE JUST HIGHLIGHTED, WHICH WAS DECIDED LAST FALL WAS TO NO LONGER INCLUDE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT RESIDENT JUST IN THAT PERIOD OF TIMES THE TWO WEEK PERIOD OF TIME WHERE OUR RESIDENTS CAN STILL GO IN AND GET THE, THE LOWER PRICE.

IT'LL ONLY BE CITY RESIDENTS AND NOT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT RESIDENTS AT THAT TIME.

UM, JUST AGAIN, SOME COMPARABLES ON HERE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE STILL FALLING AND OHIO STATE FAIR IS CONSIDERABLY LESS, BUT THEY DO CHARGE EXTRA FOR ALL THEIR CONCERTS, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT SAME VALUE.

BUT YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE ZOO, WE'RE RIGHT IN LINE WITH THAT.

AND IT'S THE SAME KIND OF THING WHEN YOU GO FOR A DAY OUT WITH YOUR FAMILY.

AND YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE, UM, THE FAMILY PACKS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE YOUR KIDS' PLAYGROUND, DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO THE THE FIRST FLASH SALE, WHICH WILL GO ON, UM, OOPS, THIS IS, THERE IS A MISTAKE ON THIS SLIDE.

IT IS MARCH 18TH AND NOT MARCH 14TH.

WE DID MAKE THAT CHANGE.

SO IT WOULD BE THE, UM, DAY AFTER ST.

PATRICK'S DAY.

SO WE'LL DO SOME PROMOTION WHERE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH ST PATRICK'S DAY IS OVER, YOU CAN STILL GET YOUR TASTE OF IRISH BUY YOUR TICKETS NOW.

UM, AND IT IS A SIGNIFICANT DISCOUNT.

I THINK LAST YEAR WE SOLD ABOUT 15% OF OUR TICKETS AT THAT SIGNIFICANT DIFF DISCOUNT.

UM, WHICH IS GREAT 'CAUSE IT REALLY LOCKS PEOPLE IN.

WE FIND THAT ALSO A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE FROM OUT OF TOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR HOTEL ROOMS, THEY'RE GETTING THEIR, YOU KNOW, $15 TICKET.

THEY, THEY KNOW THEY'RE COMING NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.

UM, WE DID MAKE SOME CHANGES TO OUR VIP CLUBS.

UH, LAST YEAR WAS THE YEAR WE WENT UP SIGNIFICANTLY AND THE PRICE OF SOME OF THOSE.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE FOUND IS THAT SATURDAY IS STILL VERY STRONG, UM, BECAUSE IT'S THE FULL DAY.

SO WE REALIZE THAT WE CAN PROBABLY CHARGE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THOSE DAYS, BUT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY OUT THE FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.

SO WE'VE REDUCED THE FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AND THEREFORE THE WEEKEND COSTS, UM, TO TRY TO BRING PEOPLE IN DURING THOSE DIFFERENT DAYS.

UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE ATTENDANCE ON THE FRIDAY AND SATURDAYS.

AND SO WITH THIS, UM, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE ATTENDANCE AND WHAT A DIFFERENCE IT MAKES.

SO IN, UM, 2022, THAT WAS WHERE WE WERE AT, UM, 83,000.

AND SO IF WE HAD THAT SAME NUMBER NOW WITH OUR ESTIMATES, WE WOULD BE AT A 93% COST RECOVERY.

IF WE HAD THE SAME ATTENDANCE AS LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE, WE WOULD BE AT A 90%, UH, COST RECOVERY WITH THESE METHODS.

AND WOULD YOU PREFER THAT I PAUSE NOW AND TALK ABOUT IRISH FESTIVAL OR JUST GO INTO INDEPENDENCE STAY? WE CAN WHATEVER IRISH FESTIVAL FIRST.

THE, THE NEW CONSULTANTS WE BROUGHT ON LAST YEAR.

DID ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? COMMENTS ON QUESTIONS? OH, WE CAN PAUSE.

YOU WANNA, ACTUALLY, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, .

SO THE, THE FIRST QUESTION IS, HOW WILL YOU INCREASE ATTENDANCE BY 5,000? OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN ADMIRABLE GOAL, BUT HOW DO YOU DO THAT? WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY FOUND, I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED LAST YEAR, WE, UH, STARTED AN ARRANGEMENT WITH A NEW MARKETING AND A NEW PR FIRM.

AND WE ARE REALLY HAPPY WITH, UM, THE EXPERIENCES WE HAD WITH THEM.

WE'RE REACHING SOME NEW MARKETS.

WE ALSO, UM, SO I, I THINK THAT'S A KEY TO US IS SORT OF REACHING THOSE MARKETS THAT ARE WITHIN THE DRIVABLE RANGE THAT CAN COME TO THE FESTIVAL.

THE OTHER THING WE ARE WORKING, UM, WITH THE, UH, VISIT DUBLIN, I, SCOTT'S STAFF HAS BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH.

THEY'VE BEEN GOING OUT AND REACHING OUT TO THOSE INFLUENCERS FOR US.

THAT WAS A NEW PROGRAM FOR US LAST YEAR.

UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF 'EM WERE, UM, INVITED TO COME FRIDAY NIGHT AND REPORT ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND EITHER HAD TO LEAVE OR A LOT OF 'EM CAME BACK SATURDAY.

SO WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE, UM, IMPACT THIS YEAR BECAUSE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW THEIR PICTURES THAT THEY HAD LAST YEAR, SAY, HEY, COME ON OUT TO THE FESTIVAL.

UM, SO I THINK IT'S REALLY KIND OF TWEAKING THAT MARKETING AND MAKING SURE WE'RE REACHING THE, THE RIGHT MARKETS.

UM, AND WE'VE BEEN REALLY HAPPY WITH OUR,

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I KNOW THE CITY HAS USED AN AI APP TO TRACK ATTENDEES.

SO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE FROM.

IT'S BASED ON CELL PHONE DATA.

MM-HMM .

DID YOU DO THAT IN 2024? WE DID, YEAH.

AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

WE CAN EVEN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE 2023.

AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE KNOWN IS THAT NORTHWEST, NO MATTER WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, POWELL OR HILLIARD OR WORTHINGTON, THOSE ARE OUR STRONGEST MARKETS.

AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID LOOK AT AND SAY, OKAY, WE NEED TO START TARGETING.

IS IT THE KANA FOLKS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST THOSE THAT ARE JUST ON THAT OTHER SIDE THAT MAYBE AREN'T USED TO COMING OVER TO DUBLIN AND REALLY KIND OF GETTING THEM TO, TO COME OVER THIS WAY.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, FROM A REALLY HIGH LEVEL, JUST ROUGH FIGURES, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ATTEND ARE DUBLIN RESIDENTS VERSUS ANYWHERE ELSE? WE HAVE TYPICALLY, AND IT HASN'T CHANGED MUCH OVER THE YEARS, IT'S TYPICALLY BEEN ABOUT 40% DUBLIN RESIDENTS.

PERFECT.

I HAVE A LOT MORE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE REST AND WE COME BACK TO IT, OR LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET EVERYTHING OR, UM, OKAY.

IRISH FESTIVAL RELATED OUT AND THEN WE'LL TACKLE 4TH OF JULY.

SO THAT STATISTIC OR THAT NUMBER 40% ARE DUBLIN RESIDENTS.

WHAT THIS SAYS IS 60% ARE VISITORS ADDING DOLLARS TO OUR ECONOMY.

THEY'RE CORRECT MM-HMM .

THEY'RE STAYING IN HOTELS OR WHATEVER.

UM, SO FOR ME, SOME OF YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UM, COSTS FOR SOFT DRINKS AND BEER ARE A LITTLE LOW.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SEEING HIGHER NUMBERS ELSEWHERE.

AND YOU POINTED OUT THAT OUR PORES ARE FOUR OUNCES MORE, SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING MORE FOR LESS.

SO I WOULD PRETTY MUCH ACROSS THE BOARD RAISE THE COST MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.

UM, FOR SOFT DRINKS AND WATER, I WOULD GO TO FOUR, FOUR TO FOUR 50.

AND FOR THE BEER I WOULD GO AT LEAST NINE TO $10.

THAT WAS BEFORE I KNEW THAT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS POURING 16 OUNCES.

I'D CONSIDER GOING MORE THAN THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN THAT YOU CAN ADD MORE IN REVENUE THAN YOU CAN CONTROL EXPENSES.

A LOT OF THOSE EXPENSES, ESPECIALLY WITH SECURITY AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO.

BUT THE SKY'S THE LIMIT WITH RESPECT TO THE REVENUE.

SO I WOULD SPEND MORE TIME LOOKING AT THAT.

SO, UM, SO I MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN COUNCILMAN KEELER HERE ON THE BEER PART.

SO ARE YOU BUYING BEVERAGES? ANDY ? NOT ME.

SO I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU ALLISON FOR YOUR, UM, WORK ON THE PERCENTAGE OF VENDOR.

I I KNOW ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT WE LOOKED AT, YOU DIDN'T RENT EQUIPMENT OR BUY EQUIPMENT.

'CAUSE THEY ALL HAVE SOFT, THEY ALL HAVE VENDOR APPS NOW WHERE THEY CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEIR SALES ARE.

SO I I I, I HOPE I APPRECIATE YOUR CONTINUED LOOKING AT THAT.

UM, I ALSO HAD THE QUESTION ABOUT GROWING ATTENDANCE.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG NUMBER.

UM, THE FLASH SALE AT $15, IF IT'S 15%, I MEAN, WHY NOT RAISE THAT TO $17? I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD GIVE AWAY 15% OF OUR REVENUE AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE.

I'M, I'M, THAT'S SURPRISING BECAUSE YOU SAID THEY KNOW THEY'RE COMING AND THEY ARE COMING.

SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY WE DO THAT.

UH, JUST A QUESTION.

UM, AND, UM, I THINK THOSE WERE, YEAH, MY, MY QUESTION, SAME AS ANDY'S IS HOW YOU GONNA GROW THE, HOW YOU GONNA GROW THE ATTENDANCE? AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS HOW DO YOU GROW REVENUE, UH, VENDORS, HOW DO WE BRING NEW OR MORE VENDORS IN BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SPACE.

SO THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS AND, AND I CAN TALK TO THAT.

UM, WE TYPICALLY TRACK, UM, NUMBER OF PEOPLE AT THE FESTIVAL VERSUS THE NUMBER OF VENDORS.

AND I ACTUALLY, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, I CAN SHOW YOU A SLIDE THAT I HAVE THAT SHOWS THAT AMOUNT.

UM, AND SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS, BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE TOO MANY, NOW I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER HOW TO GET TO MY HIDE SLIDES, WHICH IS, UM, BUT YEAH, SO WHAT WE'RE TRACK WHAT WE DO, AND SO EVEN WITHOUT THE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, BUT WE TRACK IT AND WE'RE NOTICING WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO WHERE WE WERE PRE PANDEMIC, BUT WE STILL HAVE, AT THIS POINT, LESS PEOPLE PER VENDORS.

SO WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE IN RAISING THAT TOO MUCH.

LIKE WE'LL PROBABLY ADD A COUPLE OF FOOD VENDORS AND WE'LL ADD A COUPLE OF THE MARKETPLACE VENDORS, BUT WE TRY TO KIND OF KEEP IN A RANGE.

UM, AND SO THAT WE DON'T GET THE COMPLAINT AFTERWARDS.

LIKE, OH SURE, YOU ADDED 10,000 PEOPLE, BUT YOU ADDED 10 VENDORS AND THEREFORE OUR OVERALL NUMBER WENT DOWN.

SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT.

UM, BUT WE, WE'VE TRACKED THAT FOR YEARS TO SORT OF SEE WHERE WE LAND.

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, UM, I THINK THAT WE RAISED PRICES LAST YEAR AND PEOPLE TOOK A HIT WITH IT.

THEY REALLY, WE HAD COMPLAINTS, THINGS WERE MORE EXPENSIVE.

WE HAVE 40% OF OUR FOLKS HERE IN DUBLIN, I THINK MAYBE ON THE, ON THE BEER.

UM, WE DO WHAT THE GROCERY STORES DO AND WE REDUCE THE QUANTITY, BUT WE KEEP THE PRICE THE SAME.

SO WHY ARE WE POURING 20 WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS POURING 16? BESIDES THE FACT THAT'S GONNA RUN OUT FAST, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUY A SECOND ONE.

UM, IT ALSO KEEPS THE AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL DRUNK DOWN A LITTLE BIT TOO.

SO I WOULD, I AM AGAINST RAISING RATES TOO FAST.

I THINK THAT YOU PROVIDE THE VALUE.

UM, THE BEVERAGE REVENUE HAS FALLEN, UM, FROM 2019 AT 949,000 2 22, 800 19,000.

AND IN 2 24 IT WAS 683.

SO WE'RE NOT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT RAISING THE PRICE ON IT'S GONNA SELL MORE BEER, BUT I DO THINK IF YOU'VE RE REDUCED THE AMOUNT, MAYBE THAT YOU'LL SELL MORE CUPS.

AND, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE HAVE KEPT IT AT THAT, THAT NUMBER, AND WE DID RAISE THE PRICES TWO YEARS AGO.

UM, THE REASON WE KEPT THE 20 OUNCES, 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN SELLING THAT REUSABLE MUG THAT WE'VE TOLD PEOPLE THAT THEY COULD COME BACK WITH.

SO A LITTLE BIT IS, UM, A PR THING.

WE WOULD HAVE TO THEN SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN'T BRING YOUR RE REUSABLE MUG BACK THIS YEAR.

WE'VE NEVER REALLY FIGURED OUT HOW MANY OF THOSE COME BACK.

SO WHETHER THAT'S A BIG ISSUE OR NOT, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.

AT ONE POINT WE ACTUALLY WENT TO THE HIGHER, UM, UM, SIZE BEERS BECAUSE WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF TIMES PEOPLE WERE COMING BACK.

UM, BECAUSE AT THE TI TIME WE WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE OF OUR LINES BECAUSE OUR LINES WERE SO LONG AND BACK WHEN WE USED TOKENS, THEY MOVED SLOWER.

SO THAT'S WHY WE ORIGINALLY WENT TO THAT 20 OUNCE BEER AND WE'VE KIND OF BEEN STUCK IN IT.

SO THERE'S, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT, IT'S JUST SORT OF WHERE WE'VE YEAH.

BEEN.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARILY A NON-CHANGEABLE THING AT THIS POINT.

YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE $200,000 LOW ON THE REVENUE ON BEER, SO THERE'S A REASON HERE.

SO NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

I DON'T KNOW IF RAISING THE PRICES THAT THE OTHER THING THAT I, THAT I, UM, NOTICED AND I, IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE GETTING NEW SPONSORSHIP.

I REALLY WORRY ABOUT BRINGING THESE TICKET PRICES UP.

I I HONESTLY THINK THAT THERE'S SOME DEMOGRAPHICS HERE ABOUT AGE GROUPS AND THE, AND THE FLASH SALE SEEMS SO SHORT.

I WOULD RATHER DEPEND ON NEW MARKETING BEFORE WE RAISE PRICES TO SEE IF YOU COULDN'T HAR UH, TARGET SOME DEMOGRAPHICS THAT MAYBE, LIKE YOU SAID, IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, UM, WE ONLY GET 14% OF PEOPLE IT LOOKS LIKE IN YOUR PAST REPORT BETWEEN THE AGES OF 30 AND 30 AND NINE.

I MEAN, IF YOU COULD RAISE THAT ALONE, WELL, THEY'RE BEER DRINKERS, .

SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE WAYS THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO RAISE REVENUE WITH DIFFERENT KINDS OF, UM, MARKETING TO DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS.

UM, I ALSO, UM, WONDER IF, UM, LET'S SEE, I HAD ANOTHER, I THINK THE VIP TICKET.

I CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE DOING SOME OF THAT CHANGES.

AS FOR RAISING THE PRICES ON THE SATURDAYS, WE, WE LOST A LOT IN, UM, VIP WE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS LAST YEAR OF INCREASED PRICES ON VIP.

I JUST, I JUST WORRY THAT IF WE RAISE THE PRICES TOO FAST, WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF PUSHBACK AND PEOPLE ARE JUST GONNA SAY, IT'S JUST TOO EXPENSIVE TO GO.

I REALLY DO WORRY ABOUT THAT.

SO, UH, THE ONE THING I WANNA POINT OUT, IN 2024, ALMOST $96,000 CAME BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY THROUGH SHARING OF THE GREEN.

$13,000 IN CASH CAME BACK TO THE DUBLIN FOOD PANTRY AND 8.5 TONS OF FOOD.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE A LITTLE SHORT ON REVENUE, BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT SHORT ON PROFIT TO THIS COMMUNITY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE HAW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO I WANNA TREAD REALLY LIGHTLY ON RAISING PRICES BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN GET IT IN SO MANY OTHER WAYS WITHOUT UPSETTING PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO BUY A TICKET.

THAT'S MY THINK.

UH, I, SPEAKING OF THE PRICES, I'M ACTUALLY OKAY WITH THE PRICES.

I LIKE THE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE EMERALD CLUB, THE NON-ALCOHOLIC TICKETS AND THE ALCOHOL TICKETS.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

I THINK THAT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HAVE THE AMENITY OF GOING TO THE EMERALD CLUB, UM, HONESTLY, THREE TICKETS ON A SATURDAY IS NOT THAT MUCH ANYWAY.

I TALKED TO A TON OF PEOPLE THERE LAST YEAR WHO WERE LIKE, YEAH, I JUST BOUGHT THE TICKET AND I JUST GO OUT AND BUY MY, YOU KNOW, MY ALCOHOL WHEREVER.

UM, I'M ACTUALLY OKAY WITH THOSE PRICES.

I LIKE THE

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FLASH SALE.

I THINK IT'S GOOD.

I THINK THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HELPS TO PROMOTE THAT CONCEPT OF SCARCITY DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

UM, YOU KNOW, IS $15 THE RIGHT PRICE? OR MAYBE IT'S $17.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT SOME OF THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF GUESSWORK.

UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

I THOUGHT, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THOUGHT THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT WORKSHOP, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CONSULTANT SAID WAS THAT WE ARE DOING THE SHARING OF THE GREEN BASED ON GROSS NOT NET.

AND I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AT ALL, OR MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE AND NOT, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS YEAR, I, I DEF IT ABSOLUTELY IS ON GROSS.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL USE THE, UM, POP WATER AS AN EXAMPLE.

THEY'LL BE GETTING THAT EXTRA RATE, BUT WE WILL, THAT'S WHY WE WON'T, PART OF THE REASON WE WON'T MAKE ANY EXTRA MONEY ON IT.

EVEN WHEN WE RAISED THE COST THAT WAS SET UP WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE SHARING OF THE GREEN PROGRAM IN 99, I BELIEVE.

UM, AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S BEEN ONE OF THOSE THINGS IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.

WE DON'T WANNA CHANGE HOW MUCH THEY'RE GETTING.

WE REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS.

BUT WHEN THE CONSULTANTS POINT THAT OUT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MATH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE BEHIND ON THE MATH.

IT'S TOO LATE TO ACTUALLY FOR US TO DO IT FIVE MONTHS OUT.

UM, BUT I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE THAT, THAT CONVERSATION FOR, UM, NEXT YEAR AND GOING FORWARD.

YEAH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I THINK IT IS REALLY A GREAT PROGRAM.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT IT'S THERE AND I KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE, THOSE WHO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM.

SO IT'S NOT TO BE TAKING ANYTHING NECESSARILY AWAY FROM THEM, BUT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT THAT SHARING NEEDS TO BE A FAIR SHARING, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

UM, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT I, I MEAN OTHERWISE, I, I REALLY AM FINE WITH YOUR PRICING STRUCTURE HERE.

I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S GONNA BE A BIT OF AN EFFORT TO, TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL, UM, FOLKS, BUT I'M, I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE PARTNERING WITH VISIT DUBLIN BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE, I MEAN, THEY HAVE PHENOMENAL EXPERTISE IN THAT REGARD.

SO, UM, THANKS FOR PUTTING THEMSELVES TOGETHER.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I'LL JUST CHIME IN.

UM, THAT I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF ANDY'S BEER PRICES, BUT, UM, I THINK ONE OPTION THOUGH, AGAIN, I PEOPLE WILL NOTICE THE PRICE INCREASE.

PEOPLE WON'T UN NOTICE A FOUR OUNCE DIFFERENCE IN CUP SIZE.

SO IF YOU WANT TO STILL CHARGE $8 AND GIVE 'EM THE SMALLER POUR, THEY'RE NOT GONNA NOTICE IT.

BUT IF YOU CHARGE THEM $12, THEY'RE GONNA NOTICE IT.

UM, AND IF THEY BRING THEIR OWN MUG, YOU GIVE THEM YEAH.

YOU JUST FILL IT.

WELL, AND THAT'S, I THINK, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BRING THEIR OWN MUG BACK OR EVEN STILL SELL THE MUGS AND YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU GET YOUR FOUR EXTRA OUNCES.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT ENCOURAGES THE RECYCLING AND BRINGING YOUR MUG BACK.

UM, SO YOU GET A 20 OUNCE IF YOU BRING YOUR CUP BACK, BUT OTHERWISE YOU GET A 60 OUNCE BEER.

SO THAT, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WOULD THINK ABOUT, UM, OR CONSIDER FOR THE FUTURE, UM, IS THE PRICING HAS COME TO A POINT WHERE MOST PEOPLE ARE ONLY GONNA COME ONE DAY, A $30 TICKET, YOU'RE GONNA COME ONE DAY.

SO I WOULD CONSIDER RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE WEEKEND PASS FOR $50 ONLY UNTIL THE 19TH.

HONESTLY, I THINK YOU KEEP IT AT $50 AND NOT RAISE IT TO 60.

BECAUSE NOW YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE, AT LEAST THEY MIGHT FOR $50, YOU MIGHT COME TWO DAYS.

BUT TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU'RE NOT, MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA PICK ONE DAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE COMP, YOU GO TO COSI $30, YOU GO ONE DAY, YOU GO TO THE ZOO, YOU GO ONE DAY.

SO WE'RE HITTING THAT THRESHOLD.

WE CANNOT KEEP MOVING THAT UP HIGHER.

'CAUSE THEN WE LOSE ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO USED TO COME FOR TWO DAYS.

SO I WOULD CONSIDER, I THINK YOU MIGHT GET MORE PEOPLE COMING FOR TWO DAYS AND YOU ARE GAINING THAT EXTRA $20.

SO YOU GET YOUR 50 VERSUS THEM SAYING, NOPE, YOU'VE, I'VE HIT MY LIMIT THIRTIES.

IT, SO YEAH, IF WE KEPT IT AT 50, IT WOULD BE THE EXACT.

SO IF YOU BOUGHT IT, SO JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU, UM, I, IT GETS CONFUSING FOR ME TOO.

THAT'S WHY I HAD TO LOOK AT IT.

'CAUSE THESE PRICE BREAKS GET ME SOMETIMES.

UM, YOU'RE ONLY PAYING $30 IF YOU'RE STANDING AT THE GATE.

YOU, OR ACTUALLY YOU COULD BE STANDING AT THE GATE ON YOUR PHONE AND PAY THE $25.

UM, SO WE COULD, I MEAN THE $50, IF WE KEPT IT AT $50, IT'D BE BASICALLY THE SAME PRICE AS STANDING ON.

SO, I MEAN WE, SO THAT'S, I GUESS WHAT I'M THINKING IS YEAH, INTERESTING.

WE'RE HITTING THAT PRICE POINT WHERE PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE YES, ONLY ONE DAY, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

SO I'M THINKING IF YOU LOWER IT SLIGHTLY, THEY MIGHT NOW CONSIDER IT TWO DAYS.

YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

AND THEN YOU IN THE END GAIN MONEY OR YOU MIGHT GET THREE DAYS AND THEY'LL COME AND BUY MORE BEER.

, YOU MAKE THIS MONEY.

SO, SO I JUST THINK I, I, I REALLY WOULD DISCOURAGE CONTINUING

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TO PUSH THAT PRICE UP.

'CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO LOSE, RIGHT? THOSE PEOPLE WHO FOR YEARS, WHO CAME EVERY, YOU KNOW, FRIDAY NIGHT, SATURDAY NIGHT OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, WE'RE THEY'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOW FORCING THEM TO CHOOSE.

AND I COULD, I COULD SEE, 'CAUSE THEN THE FLASH SALE, IT'S STILL, I MEAN THE WEEKEND FLASH SALE IS REALLY WHERE WE SELL A LOT OF THOSE FLASH SALE TICKETS.

'CAUSE THAT'S A HUGE DISCOUNT.

BUT I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHERE YOU WOULD JUST GET RID OF THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY PAYING MORE THAN IF YOU WALKED.

YEAH, I THINK IT'D BE EASY TO TAKE THE FLASH SALE TO $17 BECAUSE IT'S AROUND ST.

PATRICK'S DAY.

LIKE THAT'S LIKE FALLING OFF A LOG SO EASY.

BUT I'M REALLY GOOD AT FALLING OFF LOGS APPARENTLY.

UM, OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS RELATIVE TO THE IRISH FESTIVAL BEFORE WE GO ON TO ST.

UH, TO THE 4TH OF JULY? SO JUST, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, ARE WE SAYING THE $17 FOR THE FLASH SALE, WHICH I THINK, I THINK SOME PEOPLE OVER THERE IN THE MARKETING DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE 17 FOR 17.

UM, AND THEN I SEE THE, UH, THE, THAT WEEKEND TICKET MAKING THAT THE $50, I THINK THAT 20 JULY 20TH TO AUGUST 1ST ONE THERE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, CHANGING THAT TO 50.

AND THEN ON THE, THE BEER PRICES, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT.

THE ONLY THING, I'M NOT A THOUSAND PERCENT SURE, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE ORDERED, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO ORDER A LOT OF THINGS OUT AHEAD OF TIME TO AVOID ANY COST INCREASES.

LIKE OUR VOLUNTEER T-SHIRTS ARE ALREADY ORDERED.

I'M NOT SURE IF THE CUPS WERE ORDERED FOR THIS YEAR YET.

AND THAT COULD BE FROM THE SUPPLIER AS WELL.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, OUR, OUR, UM, OUR, UH, DISTRIBUTOR MIGHT HAVE ALREADY ORDERED THEIR CUPS.

SO IF WE CAN, UM, MAKE THAT CHANGE, UM, WOULD THAT BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL? THAT IF WE CAN, IF WE STILL HAVE THE TIME TO MAKE THAT CHANGE, TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE BEER.

SO WE WOULD KEEP THE SAME PRICE BUT REDUCE THE SIZE.

I THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THAT.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

I THINK, I THINK I HAVE WHAT I NEED ON THAT THEN.

UM, WE HAD NOT MADE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, FOR CHANGES.

UM, KNOWING THAT WE WERE STILL WAITING TO GET THE REPORT LAST WEEK AND, AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

WE ARE OPEN TO DISCUSSING A PRICE CHANGE OF COUNCIL ONCE TO, BUT OTHERWISE AT THIS POINT WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE SAME PRICES AS IN, UM, THE PAST TWO YEARS.

AND REALLY, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON INDEPENDENCE DAY.

SO THAT WAS A ONE SLIDER , I THINK THE POLICY DECISION'S GONNA BE ON WHAT KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT WE SELECT MOVING FORWARD, WHICH WOULD MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THE, I THINK THOSE TWO ARE THING, THOSE TWO THINGS ARE GONNA BE RELATED AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO EXECUTE ON THAT.

MM-HMM .

BY THIS JULY 4TH.

SO YEAH, WE'RE, I THINK OFFICIALLY FOUR MONTHS OUT TOMORROW, SO MAKES GOOD SENSE TO KEEP IT WHERE IT IS.

ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING 4TH OF JULY? OKAY.

DID YOU GET ALL OF THE DIRECTION THAT YOU NEED? I DID.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND THEN SOME PROBABLY.

YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

GREAT.

FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL INTO ACCOUNT, JEROME IS GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE MARKET RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE FINAL REPORT FOR YOU.

I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE KIND OF GOT INTERRUPTED THERE, SO NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

[Holiday Market Feasibility Study Final Report]

ALRIGHT.

HOLIDAY MARKET FEASIBILITY STUDY, FINAL REPORT.

OUR STAFF REPORT WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD BY EMILY GOLI WITH THE HELP OF JEROME FROM TOWN SQUARE.

GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AT THE JULY 1ST, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO ENTER INTO CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH TOWN SQUARE FOR THE HOLIDAY MARKET FEASIBILITY STUDY.

THIS IS IN FURTHERANCE OF CITY COUNCIL'S GOAL OF REIMAGINING AND LAUNCHING DUBLIN'S COMMUNITY EVENTS PROGRAM.

AND WE ARE HERE TODAY WITH THE FINAL REPORT OF THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY.

SO JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, WE DID RECEIVE OVER 120 POINTS OF INPUT ON THIS PROJECT.

SO THAT'S BETWEEN STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS, SURVEYS, CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS, ET CETERA.

WE ALSO RECEIVED CITY COUNCIL'S INPUT AT THE NOVEMBER 12TH WORK SESSION WHERE, UH, COUNCIL WAS SUPPORTIVE OF SUPPLYING A CAPITAL INVESTMENT TOWARDS THE MARKET FOR DECORATIONS IN BOOTHS AND SELECTING A THIRD PARTY FIRM TO OPERATE THE MARKET.

RIVERSIDE CROSSING PARK WAS THE UNANIMOUS CHOICE FOR THE PRIMARY LOCATION OF THE MARKET, WITH THE OPTION TO EXPAND OUTSIDE OF THAT AS THE MARKET GROWS ORGANICALLY.

IT WAS ALSO DETERMINED THAT THE MARKET SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A CHRIS KINDLE MARKET WITH A FOCUS ON GERMAN CULTURE AND THAT THE BOOTHS SHOULD BE TRADITIONAL.

SO TAKING THAT

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THANK YOU EMILY, AND GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF, UH, CITY COUNCIL.

IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BACK IN DUBLIN AND, UH, SO SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU, AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT IF SOMETHING COMES UP, UH, OR A QUESTION COMES TO YOU, BUT IF NOT, UH, HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THE END.

OF COURSE, AS EMILY WAS MENTIONING, UH, YES, WE ARE, WE ARE PLANNING TO, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT RIVERSIDE CROSSING PARK BE THE LOCATION FOR INITIAL MARKET.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UH, TO HAVE ENOUGH OF A CRITICAL MASS OF VENDORS AT THE, IN THE FIRST SEASON TO, TO MAKE IT A VERY APPEALING DESTINATION BETWEEN 40 AND 50 BOOTHS.

THE, UM, THE PROFORMA THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE LATER IS BASED ON INITIAL SIZE OF 40 VENDORS, UH, SPREAD AROUND TWO SIZES OF BOOTH, SOME LARGER PROBABLY FOR FOOD, SOME SMALLER.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING A MINIMUM DURATION OF A MARKET OF 20 DAYS OF OPERATION BETWEEN THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS, MOSTLY THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAYS, WITH DIFFERENTIATED OPENINGS, OR IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO NEGOTIATE THAT WITH YOUR FIRST CROP OF VENDORS AND THE FUTURE MARKET OPERATOR, MORE ON THAT LATER, AS MANY AS 28 DAYS TAKING ADVANTAGE THAT, UH, HERE IN DUBLIN, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SCHOOL RECESS HOLIDAY EXTENDS, UH, FURTHER AND, AND WOULD ALLOW YOU TO HAVE MORE DIS OPENING AND, AND HAVE MORE OF A DESTINATION DURING THAT TIME.

YES, WE WANT TO MARKET WITH, UM, THAT, THAT, UM, LOOKS TO DUBLIN'S GERMAN ROOTS AND HAS THE TRADITIONAL AESTHETIC AND, AND IS CLEARLY IDENTIFIABLE IN THE MINDS OF THE PUBLIC.

UM, BUT IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S VERY CLEAN AND REFINED.

IT SHOULD BE REALLY WARM AND WELCOMING, AND IT SHOULD STILL, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE OPEN TO, UH, THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES OF DUBLIN IN TERMS OF PRODUCT OR OFFERINGS.

SIMPLY THAT'S GONNA, IS GONNA FIT WITHIN A, A FORMAT AND A BRANDING THAT THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, ADDING AS MANY ACTIVITIES AND, AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENGAGEMENT AS POSSIBLE FOR PROGRAMMING WITH THE MARKET.

YOU ALREADY HAVE THE ICE SKATING RINK AT THAT LOCATION, SO THAT'S A STRONG, UH, ACTIVATOR.

BUT WE CAN DO OTHER THINGS SUCH AS PHOTOS, SUCH AS ACTIVITIES THAT ARE TIED TO SPECIFIC COMMUNITY GROUPS.

UH, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE MUSIC, IT COULD BE, UH, TOY DRIVE, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WILL COME UP, UM, OR WILL MAKE SENSE.

UM, WE THEN LOOKED AT DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES FOR THE CITY TO PRODUCE THE EVENT, UH, FROM SOMETHING LIKE YOUR, UH, IRISH FESTIVAL WHERE THIS WOULD BE TOTALLY RUN AND OPERATED BY THE CITY OF DUBLIN TO THE EXACT OPPOSITE, WHERE IT WOULD BE ENTIRELY OUTSOURCED TO A DIFFERENT OPERATOR TO AN, UH, AN OUTSIDE, UM, OPERATOR.

AND THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION BASED ON A NUMBER OF THINGS, UH, AND OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND, AND THE CITY COUNCIL, WAS THAT THE CITY WOULD IN FACT INVEST IN THE CAPITAL.

AND BY CAPITAL WE MEAN THE BOOTHS IN SOME OF THE CRITICAL ELEMENTS OF THE DECOR, BUT IT WOULD BE A THIRD PARTY SPECIALIST OPERATOR, UH, WHICH WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF BOTH VENDOR SELECTION, THE OPERATIONS OF THE MARKET, SETTING IT UP, TAKING IT DOWN.

UM, AND THE, LIKE, THIS RECOMMENDATION CAME TO BE BECAUSE WE FELT THAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN REALLY CARES VERY STRONGLY ABOUT ITS APPEARANCE IN GENERAL AND THE WAY IT PRESENTS ITSELF TO THE WORLD.

AND AS A GUARANTOR OF EQUALITY, IT ALSO OFFERED IN WHAT IS HONESTLY IN THIS WORLD, UH, AN UNPROVEN LOCATION.

UH, AS OF NOW, A LESSER RISK FOR A POTENTIAL OPERATOR BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COMMIT TO THE SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL COST OF SETTING UP, WHICH WE'RE GONNA DISCOVER IN A SECOND, UM, OF SETTING UP THIS OPERATION.

THEY WOULD ONLY HAVE TO FUND THE, UM, THE, THE EVERYDAY ACTIVITIES OF THE MARKET ITSELF.

UM, AND THEN KEEPING THIS, HOWEVER, KEEPING THE, THE CITY INVOLVED IN, IN DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF WHAT THE VENDOR WOULD BE DOING, AND IN PARTICULAR, UM, PAYING FOR CERTAIN COSTS LINKED TO SPECIFIC CITY SERVICES AROUND SAFETY AND OPERATIONS THAT VARIOUS CITY SERVICES THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT, UM, FOR THE, FOR ITS OPERATION, PARTICULARLY IN THE FIRST SEASON.

SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN NUMBERS? SO THERE'S A LOT THERE.

BEAR WITH ME, ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM.

BUT BASICALLY THIS IS THE OVERALL, UH, PRO MARKET, PRO FORMA OF A MARKET.

LIKE IN, IN GENERAL, WHAT THIS THING, WHAT WE EXPECT IT VERY CONSERVATIVELY, UM, TO, TO MAKE AND TO COST OVER, UH, FIVE YEARS.

THE PRE-OPENING COLUMN REFERS TO THIS INITIAL, UH, INVESTMENT COST THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BY THE CITY FOR THE STRUCTURES, FOR THE DECOR.

UH, WE

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WANTED TO, WE WANTED IT TO REALLY STAND OUT.

SO IT'S NOT INCLUDING YEAR ONE, BUT IT'S REALLY, UH, IT'S ITS OWN THING AS, AS PRE-OPENING.

UM, AND YOU'RE SEEING THAT THE INCOME COMES MOSTLY FROM RENTS AND IT INCREASES RAPIDLY AS THE SIZE OF THE NUMBER OF BOOTHS INCREASES OVER THE FIVE YEARS, NUMBER ONE.

AND THE, UH, RENT PER BOOTH ALSO INCREASES OVER THE FIVE YEARS.

AND THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON AS THESE MARKETS GET ESTABLISHED, UH, THEY GET MORE BUSINESS AND THE, THE, THE EXPECTATION OF RENT CAN BECOME MUCH HIGHER.

UH, THAT CERTAINLY WOULD HAPPEN IN CARMEL, WHICH IS NOT TOO, TOO FAR FROM HERE IN RELATIVE TERMS. AND WHERE THEY SAW A SIMILAR KIND OF OF SETUP, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL FROM A, FOR A CORPORATE SPONSOR, WE DO BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN DO SOME EVENT RENTALS AND WE ACCOUNTED FOR ONLY ONE, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY ONE WE FELT WAS REALLY EASY TO, TO, TO MARK DOWN WAS THE, UM, THE HOTEL TAX INCREASE FROM IN THAT WOULD, THE CITY WOULD ACCRUE FROM ADDED VISITATION AND HOTEL ROOM NIGHTS, UH, TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN, WHICH IN THIS CASE WAS ESTIMATED TO BE FOUR POINTS, ABOUT 4% MORE IN, IN, IN ROOMS THAT WOULD GET BOOKED.

SO WHEN YOU ADD IT ALL UP, YOU GET THESE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET INCOME FIRST YEAR OF ABOUT $235,000 GOING TO YOUR FIVE OR ABOUT $642,000.

IT'S CONSERVATIVE.

IT COULD BE A LOT MORE THAN THAT.

BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE FELT COMFORTABLE FORECASTING.

NOW, OPERATING, UH, EXPENSES, THEY'RE VARIED.

THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS IN THERE.

I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO ALL OF THEM, BUT THEY ALSO, UM, MOST OF THEM INCREASE OVER TIME ALSO WITH A NUMBER OF BOOTHS.

MANY OF THEM TEND TO BE MUCH MORE STABLE.

UM, AND UH, THEY TOTAL BETWEEN ABOUT 244,000 IN THE FIRST YEAR, GOING TO ABOUT 400,000 IN THE FIFTH.

SO THE NET ON THE TOTAL OPERATIONS OF THE MARKET ON YEAR ON YEAR BASIS, YOU CAN SEE YOUR, YOUR INITIAL INVESTMENT AND THEN YOU HAVE A SMALL DEFICIT AND, AND SLIGHTLY LARGER THE SECOND YEAR, AND THEN YOU START TO MAKE MONEY.

AND BY THE FIFTH YEAR YOU, UH, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT INCOME.

WHY IS THERE SORT OF THIS, UM, WHY IS, WHY ARE THE NUMBERS BIGGER? IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS, UH, LINE THAT SAYS NEW BOOTHS.

THERE'S, AS WE ARE ADDING BOOTHS IN THE, UM, YEARS 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE, THERE'S ONGOING CAPITAL INVESTMENT THAT GETS ADDED ON AND THAT WEIGHS DOWN THE, THE NET RESULT.

IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT, YOU WOULD'VE MUCH BETTER NUMBERS.

BUT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IMAGINING THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANY MORE BOOTHS, YOU'RE SIX, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A MUCH HIGHER NET, UH, AS A RESULT.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ASPECT OR I'M GONNA KEEP GOING ON.

OKAY, NOW THE PROFORMA FOR YOUR FUTURE OPERATOR, UH, IF YOU WANT A GOOD OPERATOR, THEY NEED TO MAKE MONEY.

IF THEY DON'T MAKE MONEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA EITHER COME OR PROVIDE GOOD SERVICE.

SO THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THEIR END.

THEY'RE MAKING THEIR MONEY FROM, UM, THE RENTS PAID TO THEM BY THE VENDORS.

THEY'RE KEEPING, UH, SPONSORSHIP MONEY PER CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF THAT SEEM TO BE THE THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.

THEY'RE DOING SOME EVENT RENTALS AND THEN THEY HAVE ALL THE FOLLOWING EXPENSES.

UH, THAT GIVES A PROFORMA.

WE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT THE OPERATOR WOULD NOT PAY RENT TO THE CITY IN YEAR ONE, BUT THE CITY LET THEM OPERATE FOR FREE FOR THE FIRST SEASON AS A WAY TO GET ESTABLISHED AND AS A WAY TO INVEST IN THE RIGHT KIND OF SERVICES AND STAFFING FOR THIS.

UM, AND EVEN LIKE THAT THEY HAVE THIS, THEY PROBABLY WILL HAVE A SMALL DEFICIT IN THE FIRST YEAR, AND THEN THEY START TO MAKE MONEY IN YEAR TWO.

AND SO DOES THE CITY.

UH, WE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT YOU HAVE A, A SCALED RENT PROPOSITION TO THEM, UH, BASED ON THEIR INCOME.

SO HERE IT'S SET AT 7.5% OF THEIR INCOME IN YEAR TWO GOING TO 10, 12 AND A HALF, AND THEN 15% IN YEAR FIVE AND BEYOND.

AND WITH THAT AMOUNT, BY YEAR FIVE, THEY'RE MAKING ABOUT $200,000 A YEAR.

AGAIN, THIS IS CONSERVATIVE, MAYBE IT'LL BE MORE, PROBABLY IT'LL BE MORE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE, WE FELT MADE SENSE BASED ON WHAT WE, WE KNEW OF YOUR SITUATION.

AND HERE'S A PERFORMER TO THE CITY.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED, BUT YOU ARE MAKING YOUR MONEY FROM, AS WE SAID BEFORE, UH, THE FEE PAID TO YOU BY THE OPERATOR AND THAT WILL START IN YEAR TWO.

AND THEN THE HOTEL TAX INCREASE THAT WAS START IN YEAR ONE, WHEN YOU COMBINE THOSE, YOUR EARNED INCOME, UH, GOES FROM $20,000 IN YEAR ONE TO $126,000 IN YEAR FIVE.

YOU KEEP INVESTING, YOU HAVE YOUR INITIAL PRE-INVESTMENT, SAME AS WE SAW BEFORE, AND YOU KEEP INVESTING

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IN THESE NEW STRUCTURES OVER THE FIVE YEARS.

UM, THAT BRINGS US FROM A TOTAL OF 40 STRUCTURES IN THE FIRST YEAR TO 76 STRUCTURES IN YEAR FIVE, SORRY, ALMOST DOUBLING THE SIZE OF A MARKET OVER THOSE FIVE YEARS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR ANNUAL NET, UM, YOU HAVE A SMALL, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU HAVE A SMALL RETURN IN IN THE FIRST YEAR.

THAT'S BECAUSE WE ARE, WE ARE COUNTING THE, UM, THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT SEPARATELY.

AND THEN YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DEFICIT IN YEARS TWO AND THREE.

YOU START TO MAKE A REAL NET IN YEARS FOUR AND FIVE, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR TOTAL EXPENSE ACCUMULATED EXPENSE OVER THE FIVE YEARS, YOU'RE GONNA SPEND A TOTAL OF ABOUT $871,000.

IF YOU LOOK AT THREE OR FIVE YEARS OF INCOME, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ABOUT 350.

AND THE, THE FIVE YEAR NET WOULD BE A NEGATIVE 500,000.

IF WE EXTENDED IT FURTHER AND YOU DIDN'T ADD NEW BOOTHS, THEN THE NUMBERS WOULD START TO BE, UM, MUCH BETTER.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE SCALE OF YOUR INVESTMENT ROUGHLY FOR THIS FIVE YEAR PROGRAM IS SLIGHTLY OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

ALRIGHT, WHAT WILL THE OPERATOR DO AND WHAT KIND OF OPERATOR, UM, DO WE RECOMMEND YOU HAVE? WE RECOMMEND THAT H BE AN OPERATOR THAT HAS SOME EXPERIENCE, UM, PREFERABLY A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THE STEPS OF MARKETS AND, AND, AND ENVIRONMENTS.

AND NOT JUST LARGE URBAN MARKETS.

YOU REALLY WANT SOMEONE WHO'S GONNA UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT IN TERMS OF QUALITY.

I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL, BOTH IN TERMS OF THE SELECTION OF THE VENDORS AND THE APPEARANCE OF A SHOW.

YOU WANT SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO RUN A TIGHT SHIP IN TERMS OF THE OPERATION, AND THAT EXTENDS FROM THE MOMENT THEY ARRIVE ON SITE WITH THE, UH, SETUP AND THE INTERACTION WITH CITY SERVICES, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE SUCCESS OF THOSE, TO THE EVERYDAY LIFE OF THE EVENT, AS WELL AS BEING, UM, REALLY GOOD CUSTOMER FACING AND WITH MEDIA AND, AND ABLE TO RUN A STRONG MARKETING OPERATION.

SO THESE ARE ALL THE CRITERIA THAT WE RECOMMEND BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU'RE GONNA MAKE YOUR SELECTION AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WHO'S GONNA PAY YOU ON TIME.

UM, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO FIND ALL TYPES OF VENDORS, BOTH LOOKING FROM YOUR NATURAL BASIN HERE AROUND THE COLUMBUS AREA AND A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY.

UM, AND THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD FULLY EMBRACE THE ABILITY TO MAKE, UH, INCOME BESIDES THE, THE RENTS FROM THE VENDORS BECAUSE A PORTION OF THAT ALSO ACCRUES TO YOU.

SO YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY MAXIMIZE THEIR OWN INCOME.

AND, UH, LEMME SEE IF I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE I WANNA SAY THERE.

NO.

SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IF YOU DECIDE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS? UM, WE ARE ABOUT TO, WE SOON TO ENTER, UH, SECOND QUARTER 2025.

THIS WOULD BE USING YOUR EXISTING SEARCH COMMITTEE TO START REACHING OUT TO AN OPERATOR.

WE HAVE STARTED DOING THAT AS PART OF THIS INITIAL WORK.

AND THE REPORT HAS A LIST OF POTENTIAL OPERATORS THAT'S IN THERE.

THEY HAVE NOW ALL HEARD ABOUT DUBLIN AND THEY'RE EAGER TO HEAR MORE.

UM, YOU WOULD, UH, SOLICIT YOUR PRELIMINARY BIDS FROM POTENTIAL FABRICATORS TO, TO GET YOUR BOOTHS GOING.

AND THEN, UM, USING THESE CONVERSATIONS, IDEALLY YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD, UM, CREATE YOUR IHP FIND YOUR FINALISTS, AND THEN IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR YOU WOULD MAKE YOUR SELECTIONS FOR A PREFERRED VENDOR OPERATOR AND YOU WOULD, UH, ENTER INTO PROACTIVE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH MS TO THE EXACT TERMS IN TERMS OF RENT, IN TERMS OF SETUP, NUMBER OF DAYS, NUMBER OF VENDORS AND THE LIKE.

UM, AND YOU WOULD EXECUTE THAT IN Q4 OF 25.

THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND.

UM, 26 WOULD BE REALLY TO DESIGN THE EXACT MARKET IN TERMS OF WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO BE, WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE? WHAT SHOULD BE THE, THE EXACT SPLIT BETWEEN FOOD AND NOT FOOD.

UM, AND THEN WHAT IS REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN TERMS OF WHAT IT'S GONNA BE IN OFFERING TO THE PUBLIC IS, UH, CREATING YOUR VENDOR SELECTION COMMITTEE AND FINDING YOUR VENDORS.

THE EXTENT TO WHICH YOU STAY INVOLVED IN THAT IS UP TO YOU, BUT IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA IN MY MIND FOR THE CITY TO, TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE IN, IN THAT TYPE OF OPERATION.

THEN IN THE, IN Q2 OF NEXT YEAR, YOU FINALIZE ALL YOUR LAYOUT, YOU HAVE YOUR LIST OF VENDORS, UM, YOU START PREPARING THE, THE, THE OPERATION Q3, YOU ARE DONE, YOU HAVE YOUR, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING.

YOU START TO PROMOTE IT ACTIVELY.

UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU'RE GONNA OPEN IN Q4 JUST BEFORE, UH, THANKSGIVING.

THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND THEN CONTINUES ON BECAUSE AS SOON AS YOU'RE DONE WITH THE MARKET YEAR ONE, YOU HAVE TO START PLANNING THE MARKET YEAR TWO.

I'M SURE IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE IRISH FESTIVAL.

UH, AND IN THIS CASE WE REALLY, THERE'S TWO ELEMENTS THAT ARE CRITICAL.

ONE IS TO MAKE THE GO NO GO DECISION ON THE ADDITIONAL BOOTHS AND ORDERING THAT.

AND THE SECOND

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ONE IS TO DO A VERY THOROUGH, UM, DEBRIEF WITH EVERYBODY INVOLVED.

AND THAT'S CITY SERVICES.

THAT'S THE VENDOR THEMSELVES.

THAT'S MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, NEARBY BUSINESSES AND THE OPERATOR AND FIGURING OUT WHAT WORKED, WHAT DIDN'T WORK, WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER NEXT YEAR, AND HOW YOU CAN, YOU CAN IMPROVE THE OPERATION AND THEN YOU START ALL OVER AGAIN WITH A NEW SELECTION COMMITTEE.

UH, YOU SHOULD REAPPROVE EVERYBODY.

NOBODY SHOULD THINK THAT THEY HAVE AN AS OF RIGHT, UH, PATH TO STAY AS A VENDOR.

IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS THE CASE THAT SOME OF THEM DON'T MAKE IT, EVEN WITH THE BEST PREPARATION, NOT EVERYBODY'S SUCCESSFUL.

YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE SOME VENDORS WHO ARE SUPER HIGH PERFORMERS, A LOT THAT ARE SORT OF DOING WELL, AND THEN A FEW THAT JUST DON'T CONNECT WITH THE MARKETPLACE.

AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE.

AND THAT ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO KEEP IT FRESH AND TO BRING NEW VENDORS INTO THE MIX EVERY YEAR.

AGAIN, THE THIRD QUARTER YOU WOULD CHOOSE THOSE VENDORS AND THEN YOU CONTINUE THE MARKETING AND YOU OPEN AGAIN AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

UM, SO AS MENTIONED, THE THE NEXT STEP IF YOU DECIDE TO GO FORWARD IS TO REALLY DO, UM, TO CONVENE YOUR SEARCH COMMITTEE, TO FIND YOUR OPERATOR WITH A GOAL TO RELATIVELY QUICKLY, ONCE YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT, WHAT THE WORLD IS TELLING YOU, WHAT, WHAT YOU ARE HEARING FROM THEM TO CREATE THE OFFICIAL RFP, MAKE YOUR INTERVIEWS AND NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT.

AND THAT'S IT.

AND I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

GET TO A HIGH END CHRIS KENNEL MARKET WITHOUT SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS.

UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON COUNCIL QUESTIONS DISCUSSION, I WANNA TAKE A MOMENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE'S ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THIS ITEM.

HEARING NONE COUNCIL QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? UM, I HAVE A CONCERN.

UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE EXPENSE PAGE? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE OVERALL ONE, THE OPERATOR OR THE CITY? THAT ONES, UM, LET'S SEE, PRE-OPENING CITY MARKET, NOT, NOT THE OPERATOR PERFORMER, THE ONE BEFORE THAT RIGHT THERE.

SO I WAS, UH, FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GO ON THE TRIP TO GERMANY AND SEE THE MARKETS AND, UM, WHAT, UH, APPEALED TO US AND ALSO VISITED THE CARMEL INDIANA ONE IS THAT THE MARKET IS MORE THAN JUST BOOTHS.

IT'S A LOT OF EXTRA PIECES AS YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE IMAGES, THERE'S WONDERFUL TOWERS AND, AND UM, BARE GARDENS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

THIS PERFORMA ONLY JUST ALLOWS ENOUGH MONEY FOR BOOSTS, BUT NOT CREATING AS YOU GO INTO THE FUTURE, THAT TOTAL EXPERIENCE THAT YOU SEE LIKE IN CARMEL.

AND MY CONCERN IS, ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT FOR THE DECOR, PART OF THE WHOLE IMAGE THAT YOU CREATE REQUIRES YOU TO BUY THE DECOR THAT MAKES THE WHOLE PLACE COME ALIVE.

$50,000 IS NOT GONNA BUY YOU MAYBE ENOUGH TO DECORATE SOME TREES.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH MONEY.

UM, AND IF YOU'RE BUYING THE BOOTH AT 4 81, YOU'RE ALREADY AT $500,000.

I I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA CREATE ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA COMPETE IN ANY WAY TO THE BEST MARKETS IN THE UNITED STATES.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT CARMEL NOW, I KNOW IT'S BEEN AROUND A WHILE, BUT THERE'S NO BUILD IN HERE TO GET TO THAT PLACE.

SO I, I DEFINITELY WANNA SEE THIS HAPPEN, BUT I THINK I WANNA BE REASONABLE ON WHAT THIS BUDGET IS.

'CAUSE THIS BUDGET TO ME, THERE WAS ONE OF THE, I THINK IT WAS THE VERY LAST SLIDE, WHICH SHOWS THE BOOST AND SOME LIGHTS THAT HUNG ABOVE.

I MEAN, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GONNA GET HERE ON THIS BUDGET.

AND THAT WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME.

SO IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY, SORRY, GO AHEAD.

OH, JUST ONE MORE THING.

UH, WHEN WE WENT TO GERMANY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID WAS SO VERY IMPORTANT WAS THAT IT'S A CHRIS KENDALL MARKET AND WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT GERMAN EXPERIENCE, BUT IT HAD TO HAVE SOME UNIQUE LITTLE TWIST THAT MADE IT THE DUBLIN EXPERIENCE.

AND I DON'T SEE THAT IN HERE ANYWHERE.

UM, EVERY MARKET THAT WE WENT TO HAD SOME LITTLE THEME, WHETHER IT WAS GNOMES OR ANGELS OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

AND WE SAID THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO LOOK UNIQUE IN OUR OWN SETTING, THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT DUBLIN, UH, IMAGE IN THE CHRIS KENNEL MARKET IS SO THAT YOU CAN ADVERTISE IT AS SOMETHING MORE UNIQUE THAN ANY OTHER MARKET.

UM, SO I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THERE EITHER IN THAT SCOPE.

UM, SO THERE'S A, TO ME THERE'S A LOT OF MISSING PARTS IN THE SCOPE OF SERVICES.

WHAT WE'RE ASKING OF THE OPERATOR, HOW WILL EVER

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IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY ON THAT DECORATION COST, WE SPENT ABOUT $80,000 AS IS DOWN IN RIVERSIDE CROSSING PARK ON LIGHTS.

THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THAT.

SO THE, OUR CITY INVESTMENT IS GOING TO STAY, WE'RE STILL GONNA LIGHT ALL OF THE TREES THAT WE DO CURRENTLY WITH LIGHT.

SEVERAL OF THEM ARE STILL LIT WITH THE ICE RINK RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE PROVIDING ALL OF THOSE LIGHTS.

THIS IS FOR THOSE KIND OF STANDING BARS THAT HAVE LIKE A, A, A PLACE TO GATHER.

IT'S, IT'S FOR A LOT OF THE DECORATIONS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE WOODEN THINGS THAT CAN BE USED YEAR OVER YEAR, UM, THE WREATHS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THIS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT'S CLEAR, AND I DON'T THINK IT IS RIGHT NOW IN, IN THE REPORT, BUT THAT, THAT $50,000 IS IN ADDITION TO THE INVESTMENT WE'RE ALREADY MAKING IN DECORATIONS IN RIVERSIDE CROSSING PARK.

SO, UM, WE DO FEEL LIKE THAT WILL GET US PRETTY FAR IN THOSE, IN TERMS OF THE THEME FOR THE EVENT, I THINK THE IDEA WOULD BE, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD THAT INTO THE SCOPE FOR THE, THE RFP, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO KIND OF PARTNER WITH THE, THE OPERATOR.

THEY WOULD IDEALLY HAVE REALLY GREAT EXPERIENCE IN OTHER MARKETS THAT THEY CAN KIND OF LEVERAGE OFF OF THOSE, WHAT WORKS WELL, WHAT DOESN'T WORK WELL, TO FIND THAT IDENTITY IN A MARKET TO THEN PUT THAT INTO, INTO DUBLIN.

YOU KNOW, WE WANNA HAVE THAT AS A REAL PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FUTURE OPERATOR.

UM, AND THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO KIND OF BEGIN THAT.

AND IF YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING, IF I MISSED ANYTHING? NO, I MEAN, CERTAINLY IF YOU WANNA SPEND MORE MONEY, IT'S GONNA BE WELCOME, BUT THIS IS THE, THE, THIS GIVES YOU BASICALLY $65,000 EXTRA JUST FOR THE CORE IN THE FIRST YEAR.

AND THEN THERE'S A PROVISION FOR THIS ON AN ONGOING BASIS.

UM, I THINK YOU CAN DO A LOT WITH THAT ACTUALLY, BECAUSE IT'S SO CONCENTRATED.

THAT'S THE OTHER ELEMENT.

I'VE NEVER SEEN THE CAR MARKET PERSONALLY.

I'VE SEEN LOTS OF PICTURES AND THAT'S ALSO A MORE MATURE, YOU KNOW, I, I'M PRETTY SURE IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT THE FIRST YEAR.

AND I THINK THAT'S TYPICAL FOR THESE TYPES OF PROPERTIES THAT THEY BUILD AND THEY GROW.

UM, AND, AND, AND, AND I WOULD ALMOST RECOMMEND AN INCREMENTAL APPROACH RATHER THAN GOING ALL IN IN THE BEGINNING AND RISKING MISING THE MARK.

SO WOULD, WOULD THE OPERATOR BE HAPPY IF YOU SPEND A HUNDRED RATHER THAN 50? YES.

THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE WANTED, WE DIDN'T WANT ALSO TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BLOW IT OUT OF THE WATER AND MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THIS WAS JUST NOT A GOOD IDEA ON, ON, ON THE NUMBERS ALONE.

I APPRECIATE THAT AND, AND I, I WON'T LINGER ON THIS, BUT I DO THINK THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE STEPS TOWARDS, UH, THIS CHRISTMAS MARKET, WE WANNA BE AMONG THE BEST.

AND, AND IF THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO LAY DOWN SOME SORT OF A MASTER PLAN THAT WE'LL GET OURSELVES THERE IN 10 YEARS OR 15 YEARS, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT CAN'T JUST STAY AS A GROUP OF BOOTHS WITH SOME PRETTY LIGHTS.

IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, I THINK WE WANNA KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO COMPETE ON, ON A PLATFORM WITH OTHERS.

SO, SO TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THERE.

ONE WOULD BE, THE FIRST ONE IS THAT IN ANY DEAL YOU MAKE WITH YOUR OPERATOR, IT, IT SHOULD BE THAT YOUR INCOME IS ALWAYS EITHER OR WITH THE BEST NUMBER FOR YOU BEING THE FINAL.

SO IF IT'S, IF THEY, FOR EXAMPLE, WERE TO HAVE A DEAL WITH THEIR VENDORS THAT'S PERCENTAGE BASED, WHICH IS PER PROBABLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AS IT BECOMES MORE SUCCESSFUL, UM, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT'S CAPTURED FOR YOU AS WELL.

AND THE OTHER ONE IS THAT IF YOU, FOR SOME METRICS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE HOTEL TAX INCREASE OR SOME OTHER ELEMENTS THAT YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY INCOME COMING IN THAT'S BEYOND WHAT MAYBE WAS ESTIMATED, THEN REINVESTING SOME OF THAT IN THERE.

BUT, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO PUT MORE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE VENDOR BASED ON THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE FOR THEM TO OPERATE YOUR MARKET.

SO THERE, THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE.

AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT LEARN IN OUR MINDS, IT'S REALLY THE MARKETS THAT SUCCEEDS TEND TO BE THE ONES THAT, THAT ARE WELL THOUGHT OUT AND THAT, UM, AND WELL CONSIDERED AND, AND THAT TAKE THE LONG TERM VIEW.

AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR YOU HERE.

UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

AND, AND WHAT I APPRECIATE IS THERE ARE SPECIFIC NUMBERS HERE TO TALK ABOUT, RIGHT? WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE PIECES ARE HERE, THE, THAT WERE THOSE LEVERS.

I I WOULD SAY TWO THINGS.

IT IS UNUSUAL THAT SOMEBODY WOULD MAKE THIS BIG OF AN INVESTMENT UPFRONT TO BUY ALL OF THESE CUTTS TO SUPPORT THE, I MEAN, I HOPE THAT AN INVESTMENT BY THE CITY SUGGESTS THAT WE GET QUALITY FOLKS WHO WILL BRING IDEAS TO US ABOUT HOW WE WOULD SPEND OUR MONEY MORE WISELY OR HOW WE WOULD INVEST, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD WANNA DO IT TO LOSE MONEY THE FIRST YEAR.

SO, I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PLAY WITH US IF THEY CAN'T BUILD

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SOMETHING OF QUALITY OR EXCELLENCE.

AND I LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION.

UM, I ALSO LOOK AT YOUR CORPORATE SPONSORS.

I MEAN, THE HOTELS AND THE, THE, THE PLAYERS AROUND HERE ARE GONNA MAKE SOME MONEY.

I THAT NUMBER IS INCREDIBLY LOW IN MY ESTIMATION.

SOME OF THAT MONEY COULD COME TO THE CITY TO HELP BUILD THE BOOTHS, RIGHT? YOU COULD HAVE SPONSORSHIP NAMES.

SO I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH CREATIVE OPTIONS.

AND WHAT I APPRECIATE IS THAT YOU OUTLINE THE LEVERS FOR US TO HAVE A GOOD, HEALTHY PARTNERSHIP.

UM, WHERE WE'RE NOT HAVING THE CONVERSATION WE HAD AT INDEPENDENCE DAY, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT BEARING ALL THE RISK, RIGHT? WE'RE BEARING A FINITE.

AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IT DOESN'T WORK, RIGHT? SO I SINCERELY APPRECIATE THAT.

WHAT I HOPE IS THAT DURING THE RFP, YOU COME UP WITH SOME REALLY CREATIVE AND INTERESTING THINGS THAT WILL, I THINK ANSWER.

'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA PLAY TO LOSE MONEY, JANE.

THEY'RE NOT.

THEY'RE JUST NOT.

RIGHT? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS.

HOW DO WE LEARN TO DO THIS WHERE IT ISN'T US? AND I THINK THAT THAT LEARNING WILL, WILL, UM, HAVE BENEFIT TO THE IRISH FESTIVAL AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA PLAY IF THEY CAN'T MAKE MONEY.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD TIME TO CLARIFY TOO, THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR IDEA OF RIGHT NOW ON MARCH 3RD, HOW WE COULD DO A REALLY GREAT MARKET, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OPERATOR AND, UM, MAYBE THAT 50,000 INCREASES BASED ON THEIR VISION FOR IT.

MAYBE IT STAYS AT 50, MAYBE IT'S LESS.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE CAN WE SAY, PRETTY CONFIDENTLY TODAY, THIS WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT MARKET AND, AND A DUBLIN STYLE.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIKE TO DO THINGS HALFWAY.

UM, THIS WOULD BE A DUBLIN STYLE EVENT.

AND, BUT THESE NUMBERS AREN'T, AREN'T SET IN STONE BY ANY MEANS.

I JUST WANNA RUN THROUGH YOU ON SPONSORSHIPS BECAUSE I, I, I AGREE WITH YOU.

I, I THINK THERE'S MORE ROOM THERE, BUT THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T PUT IT IS BECAUSE PRECISELY BECAUSE OF A CARMEL ONE.

CARMEL.

SO WE HAVE ABOUT HALF A MILLION VISITORS, A BIT LESS THAN THAT.

THEY ONLY RECORD $117,000 IN SPONSORSHIP.

SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY SELL IT, BUT IT, IT WAS, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD'VE EXPECTED MORE.

SO WE, AGAIN, WE WENT MORE CONSERVATIVE ON THIS.

SO IF THIS IS AS SUCCESSFUL AS WE HOPE IT WILL BE, DO WE HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING? UM, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THIS TIME OF YEAR IS PRETTY SLOW OVER IN BRIDGE PARK.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GARAGES, SO I HAVEN'T DRIVEN AROUND THERE LATELY, BUT IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THIS TIME OF YEAR THERE WOULD BE ADEQUATE PARKING.

BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT.

AND THEN THE BOOTHS WOULD BE OWNED BY US.

WHERE WOULD WE STORE THOSE? I I THINK THEY COLLAPSE INTO SOMETHING REAL COMPACT, LIKE A MORE OR LESS LIKE A PLATFORM, BUT 40 OF THOSE WHERE, WHERE ARE WE GONNA PUT 'EM? THEY COULD, THEY COULD DEFINITELY COLLAPSE.

THAT'S GONNA KIND OF DEPEND ON AS WE GO THROUGH THE DESIGN OF THOSE, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.

UM, THE OPERATOR IS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STORAGE OF THE BOOTHS ANNUALLY AND SETTING THOSE UP.

SO, UM, THAT I THINK, THINK WOULD BE A FUTURE DISCUSSION WITH THEM.

WE CERTAINLY DON'T INTEND TO, AT THIS POINT, STORE THEM AT OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITIES OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION OF WHERE THEY CAN FIND SPACE TO, TO DO THAT.

AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SETUP AND THE TEAR DOWN AND FINDING THAT AREA.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, DID YOU NEED DECISION POINTS FROM US THIS EVENING, OR IS THIS JUST A CHECK-IN? IT'S JUST A CHECK-IN LOOKING FOR GENERAL FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROFORMA? UM, I GUESS I, IF YOU ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPTUAL TIMELINE AND, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU SEE THIS FOR ACCEPTANCE? NOPE.

I THINK, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY GREAT WELL THOUGHT OUT REPORT.

I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA LEARN A LOT ONCE WE START LOOKING FOR A VENDOR, THAT'S WHEN THE REAL LEARNING IS GONNA TAKE PLACE.

BUT I, I THINK AS MUCH AS WE KNOW NOW, THIS IS REFLECTIVE OF EVERYTHING THAT, THAT WE CAN FORESEE AND THERE'S GONNA BE A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT WE DON'T, BUT THAT'S JUST PART OF AN EXERCISE LIKE THIS.

SO, UM, YEAH, I, I THINK, UH, THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD.

[Athletic Complex Management Services RFP - SportsOhio Steering Committee]

THIS BRINGS US TO THE FINAL ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING OF UN UN UNDER OTHER BUSINESS, THE ATHLETIC COMPLEX MANAGEMENT SERVICES, R-S-R-F-P SPORTS OHIO STEERING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION AND OUR STAFF REPORT WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD BY KENDALL BLAKE, WELCOME, GOOD EVENING.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

ON JULY 1ST OF LAST YEAR, COUNCIL APPROVED THE ACQUISITION OF 243 ACRES IN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, COMPRISED OF CARTER FARMS SHEPHERD EXCAVATING IN SPORTS OHIO.

THE CITY CLOSED ON THE PROPERTIES IN LATE SEPTEMBER.

STAFF EXECUTED A TEMPORARY MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE PREVIOUS OWNERS OF SPORTS OHIO TO

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CONTINUE TO OPERATE THE FACILITY, GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS OPERATIONS.

FOR UP TO ONE YEAR FROM THE SALE, STAFF PROPOSED FORMING A STEERING COMMITTEE TO HELP GUIDE THE FUTURE OF SPORTS OHIO.

THE COMMITTEE WOULD PROVIDE INPUT ON DEVELOPING A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR THE ATHLETIC COMPLEX MANAGEMENT SERVICES REVIEW AND EVALUATE SUBMITTED PROPOSALS, AND MAKE A FINAL REC SELECTION RECOMMENDATION.

THE COMMITTEE WAS INTENTIONALLY, UH, INTENTIONALLY STRUCTURED TO REPRESENT A BROAD RANGE OF COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS AND REGIONAL PARTNERS TO ENSURE THE PROPERTY USES ALIGNED WITH THE COMMUNITY DIRECTION.

I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEES FOR THEIR TIME AND PARTICIPATION, UH, ON THE COMMITTEE, UH, SPECIFICALLY VICE MAYOR LUDO AND COUNCIL MEMBER KEELER.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, SCOTT DURING AND SCOTT KREN, WHO ARE IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING.

LISTED ON THE SCREEN OF THE DATES AND ACTIVITIES BY THE COMMITTEE, STARTING WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE TOUR OVERVIEW AND TOUR OF THE FACILITY, FOLLOWED BY DEVELOPING THE COM COMPLEX'S GOALS, REVIEWING THE DRAFT RFP, INTERVIEWING THE PROPOSING COMPANIES, AND FINALIZING THEIR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.

THE COMMITTEE AGREED THAT THE COMPLEX SHOULD STRIVE FOR FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY, FOSTER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND GENERATE ECONOMIC IMPACT.

DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN IS THE RFP PROCESS, WHICH WAS COMPETITIVE IN A TRANSPARENT PROCESS.

AT THE STEERING COMMITTEE'S REQUEST, THE COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING TEAM DEVELOPED A VIRTUAL TOUR OF EACH BUILDING TO ASSIST THE RESPONDENTS IN PREPARING THEIR PROPOSALS.

THREE PROPOSALS WERE RECEIVED.

ONE FOCUSED SOLELY ON OPERATING THE GOLF CENTER, WHILE THE RFP SAW A MANAGEMENT PROVIDER FOR THE ENTIRE SPORTS OHIO COMPLEX.

AS A RESULT, THE PROPOSALS WERE NARROWED DOWN TO TWO FINALISTS ON FEBRUARY 19TH.

THE COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY, UNANIMOUSLY DETERMINED THAT THE SPORTS FACILITIES COMPANY'S PROPOSAL AND INTERVIEW ALIGNED MOST CLOSELY WITH THE GOALS AND CRITERIA OUTLINED IN THE R-F-P-S-F-C MANAGES OVER 65 VENUES WITH NEARLY HALF BEING PRE-EXISTING FACILITIES.

SFC IS UNIQUE IN THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE A DESIRE TO OWN.

THEY REFER TO THEMSELVES AS A SERVICE PROVIDER.

SFC HAS DEVELOPED A COMPREHENSIVE 90 DAY TRANSITION PLAN TO ENSURE A, ENSURE A SEAMLESS TAKEOVER OF THE DUBLIN FACILITIES.

LEVERAGING 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE MANAGING TOP SPORTS COMPLEXES, THEIR APPROACH PRIORITIZES TRANSPARENT SERVICE, STRONG FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT IN DIVERSE PROGRAMMING, INCLUDING TRADITIONAL SPORTS, FITNESS CLASSES, TOURNAMENTS, CONCERTS, AND COMMUNITY EVENTS TO MAXIMIZE LOCAL ENGAGEMENT AND ECONOMIC IMPACT.

ADDITIONALLY, SFC WILL PROVIDE CONTINUOUS FINANCIAL REPORTING, STRATEGIC PLANNING, AND OPERATIONAL SUPPORT TO ALIGN WITH DUBLIN'S GOALS.

SFC EMPHASIZES A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH TO STRUCTURING A FINANCIAL AGREEMENT THAT ALIGNS WITH THE CITY'S FINANCIAL GOALS, OFFERING A VARIETY, VARIETY OF DEAL STRUCTURES.

THEIR GOAL IS TO POSITION DUBLIN AS A PREMIER DESTINATION FOR REGIONAL AND NATIONAL EVENTS BY LEVERAGING INDUSTRY RELATIONSHIPS, STRATEGIC MARKETING AND DATA-DRIVEN DECISION MAKING.

DATA ANALYTICS WILL PLAY A KEY ROLE IN MEASURING PERFORMANCE AND OPTIMIZING RESOURCE ALLOCATION FOR LONG-TERM SUCCESS.

SFC PROMOTES INCLUSIVE SPORTS AND RECREATION THROUGH PARTNERSHIPS AT LOCAL AND NATIONAL LEVELS.

THEY BALANCE COMMUNITY ACCESS AND ECONOMIC IMPACT, MAKING THE COMPLEX A HUB FOR EVENTS AND ENGAGEMENT.

SFC EMERGED AS THE RECOMMENDED PARTNER FOR ITS EXPERTISE, STRATEGIC PLANNING IN A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH, STAFF IS WORKING WITH OUR PUBLIC FINANCE ADVISORS AND LEGAL COUNSEL TO EXPLORE USING THE DUBLIN CIC FOR THE AGREEMENT WITH SFC.

AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ENTITY, THE CIC CAN HELP STRUCTURE A SUSTAINABLE FINANCIAL APPROACH FOR THE COMPLEX.

WITH THAT, THE SPORTS OHIO STEERING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED WITH NEGOTIATING AND FORMULATING A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH SPORTS FACILITIES COMPANY.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE JIM ARNOLD FROM SFCS LEADERSHIP TEAM WHO IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING.

UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL.

UH, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.

UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE COMMITTEE FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.

UH, BEFORE I KIND OF DIVE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT, UH, KENDALL AND THE ENTIRE TEAM, THANK YOU.

UH, WE GET TO DO THIS QUITE A BIT AROUND THE COUNTRY AND THIS WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST WELL RUN PROCESSES AND SYSTEMS THAT WE'VE SEEN, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD.

SO REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, UH, AND APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, UH, TO TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT US PARTNERING WITH THE CITY OF DUBLIN.

UH, WE ARE INCREDIBLY EXCITED.

UH, I GET THE PRIVILEGE TO STAND UP HERE TODAY AND REPRESENT OVER 3,500 TEAM MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE AROUND THE COUNTRY.

UH, A HUNDRED OF THOSE IN OUR, UH, CORPORATE SUPPORT CENTERS IN TAMPA.

AND I CAN SAY ACROSS THE BOARD, WE ARE GENUINELY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH THIS COMMUNITY.

UH, ON

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A PERSONAL NOTE, UH, I HAVE FAMILY HERE.

MY SISTER LIVES, UH, JUST ABOUT A MILE SOUTH OF THE COMPLEX.

AND SO OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND TIME IN HERE ON A PERSONAL SIDE AS WELL AS THE BUSINESS SIDE.

AND SEEING WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE HERE IS PRETTY INCREDIBLE.

THERE IS A TRUE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS TO NOT ONLY BE AN ASSET THAT CONTINUES TO REALLY SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND OFFER HUGE UPSIDE TO THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE, BUT THIS COMMUNITY HAS EVERYTHING IT TAKES TO BE A TRUE REGIONAL AND NATIONAL DESTINATION ON THE SPORTS TOURISM SCENE.

UH, SO WE ARE, UH, WE ARE EXCITED, UH, WE'RE CONFIDENT IN OUR ABILITY TO DELIVER ON THE EXPECTATIONS AND THE GOALS OF THE CITY.

UH, AND EXCITED TO, UH, FURTHER THE CONVERSATION.

AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

WANNA TAKE A MOMENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF ANYONE IS STILL WITH US THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? HEARING NONE COUNCIL QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION.

I JUST WANNA THANK THE GROUP HERE THAT PUT THIS TO, THAT WORKED ON THIS, THE STEERING COMMITTEE.

YOU, YOU PUT SO MUCH GREAT WORK INTO IT AND, UH, TO COME BACK WITH PROPOSALS LIKE THIS IS REALLY, UH, UH, I THINK IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL THING.

SO I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE WORK AND THE, AND THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND THE BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT TOOK PART IN THIS BECAUSE, UM, IT'S A BIG LIFT.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR FOR A LONG TIME.

AND I THINK THE STEERING COMMITTEE JUST DID A REALLY WONDERFUL JOB.

I WOULD AGREE.

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT.

SO, UH, I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF THESE TOURNAMENTS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

UM, SO IN THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT FOR CONDITIONS, UM, MAYBE FACILITY CONDITIONS, BE THEM, RESTROOMS, FIELDS, UH, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, WHO, WHO IS, WHO WILL ACCEPT THE OWNERSHIP OF, UM, MAKING CORRECTIONS OR AMENDMENTS OR WHATEVER AS NEEDED IN, SO AS THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT JUST IN PROMOTION AND, UM, LOOKING AT ATTRACTING, ATTRACTING TEAMS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, HOW, HOW DEEP WILL, WILL THE, IS THAT ANTICIPATED TO GO? YEAH, SO THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WOULD BE NOT ONLY, UH, PROMOTION, BUT ALSO OPERATION THAT THEY WOULD ADVISE US AS WE WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BUDGET, MAKING SURE WE KNOW LONG TERM WHAT ASSETS ARE NEEDING TO BE REPLACED OR, UM, EVERYTHING FROM OPERATION ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO PROMOTION AND BRINGING ORGANIZATIONS IN.

'CAUSE HISTORICALLY WE HAVE CLOSED FIELDS, RIGHT? IF WE HAVE INCLEMENT CONDITIONS, WE HAVE WILL CLOSE FIELDS, UH, FOR VARIOUS REASONS.

AND I'M ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET INTO THESE KINDS OF ARRANGEMENTS, UH, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE OUR DECISION ANYMORE AND YOU COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE OR YOU COULD HAVE MUCH BETTER CONDITIONS THAN WHAT YOU ANTICIPATED.

SO HOW, HOW IS THAT PART GONNA WORK? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WOULD BE THE DECISION OF THE OPERATOR.

UM, THEY HAVE THE MOST EXPERIENCE RUNNING THESE FACILITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT THEY WOULD KNOW BEST FOR THE DECISION MAKING OF PLAY AS THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU'RE GIVING.

I, I DUNNO IF I CAN ANSWER THAT AS PART OF, UH, AS PART OF OUR ROLE IN PLANNING, WE WOULD CREATE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES AND MAINTENANCE OF CARE ITEMS, UH, TO PUT IN PLACE.

UH, ONE THING WE DO WANNA POINT OUT, WE WOULD GIVE, WE WOULD RUN ALL THOSE BY THE CITY AND, AND WHATEVER TASK FORCE YOU MIGHT HAVE IN PLACE.

AND SO THE DECISIONS ON HOW WE DO THAT, UH, WOULD STILL BE IN THE CONTROL OF THE CITY.

AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO FOR GRASS FIELDS, WE LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF RAIN WE GET, THE AMOUNT OF USAGE WE GET, WE HAVE NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED, UH, UH, UH, TERMS IN TERMS OF THE USAGE AND HOURS AND NUMBER OF HOURS YOU CAN USE IT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO REST IT.

UH, BUT IN TERMS OF MAJOR EVENTS, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING WHERE WE'VE GOT A HUGE TOURNAMENT COMING IN AND WE KNOW THE IMPACT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE AND WE'VE HAD INCLEMENT WEATHER, WE COULD START TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AROUND, HEY, IF WE STILL WANT TO GET THIS EVENT OFF FOR THE IMPACT, THEN WHAT DOES THAT REPAIR LOOK LIKE ON THE BACKSIDE? UH, BUT THE CITY ALWAYS REMAINS IN CONTROL, UH, AND AUTHORITY ON ALL DECISION MAKING FOR ALL THE ASSETS.

OKAY, GREAT.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.

UM, THEN I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED WITH NEGOTIATIONS AND ENTERING INTO A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH SPORTS FACILITIES COMPANIES.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

JENNY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. REINER? YES.

MS. FOX? YES.

THE STAFF COMMENTS PORTION OF OUR AGENDA AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO CITY MANAGER O CALLAHANS.

MAYOR AMBROSE GROOMS? YES.

MS. OSA? YES.

GREAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[03:10:01]

UM, THIS BRINGS US TO

[STAFF COMMENTS]

GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I JUST HAVE TWO UPDATES THAT ARE TIMELY.

THE FIRST BEING THE CITY HAS CONTRACTED WITH TREES ARE MY BUSINESS TO PERFORM TREE CLEARING OPERATIONS AT ARLINGTON PARK, PRIMARILY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE DRAINAGE BASIN THAT IS SOUTH OF BRAND ROAD AND BRISTOL PARKWAY INTERSECTION TO ACCOMMODATE THE ARLINGTON PARK DRAINAGE BASIN IMPROVEMENTS.

PROJECT TREE CLEARING OPERATIONS ARE EXPECTED TO COMMENCE ON THURSDAY, MARCH 6TH, AND THEY WILL BE COMPLETED IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.

THE OVERALL ARLINGTON PARK DRAINAGE BASIN IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT WILL BE ADVERTISED MID-SUMMER WITH CONSTRUCTION EXPECTED TO COMMENCE IN LATE SUMMER OF THIS YEAR.

AND THEN LASTLY, THE DUBLIN'S GREENEST GRANDEST PARADES COMING UP ON SATURDAY, MARCH 15TH, THE DAY STARTS AT 9:00 AM AT THE LIONS CLUB PANCAKE BREAKFAST AND THE PARADE WILL START AT 11:00 AM OUR GRAND LEPRECHAUN, BARB ANDERSON, WILL BE RECOGNIZED AT A LUNCH PROVIDED BY JAY LOU, AND THEN LATER IN THE DAY, DOWNTOWN DUBLIN'S HOSTING THE ST.

PATTY'S DAY PUB CRAWL WITH PARTICIPATING BUSINESSES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYBODY OUT CELEBRATING THAT DAY.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

VERY GOOD.

OKAY, WE'LL GO WITH, UH, COUNCIL ROUND TABLE.

THAT SOUNDS EXCITING.

UM,

[COUNCIL ROUNDTABLE]

I'LL START FAR END WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CRAM.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

I JUST GOT ONE, UH, NOTE.

IF YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING A VACATION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE HERE IN DUBLIN.

AND THIS IS THE ARTS COUNCIL AT IT AGAIN.

AND, UM, IF YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT VISITING ICELAND, YOU MAY BE DRAWN TO EXPLORING THE CAVES, THE NORTHERN LIGHTS, THE SWIMMING IN THE BLUE LAGOON OR WHALE WATCHING.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO GET A SENSE OF ICELAND, CHECK OUT A JOURNEY TO ICELAND FROM DARKNESS TO LIGHT, RIGHT HERE IN DUBLIN.

THE MULTIMEDIA EXHIBITION WILL BE ON VIEW AT THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL FROM MARCH 8TH TO APRIL 25TH.

THE EXHIBITION ENCOMPASSES VISUALS, POETRY, THE ART, CELEBRATING THE ICELANDIC ENVIRONMENT AND CULTURE.

THE WORKS, EXPLORE THE WEATHER, LANDSCAPE CULTURE, THE SEEN AND UNSEEN ASPECTS OF THE NORTHERN EUROPEAN ISLAND.

SO TRY TO MAKE IT, IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT, GREAT EXHIBIT.

ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT THAT, I'M JUST GONNA PIGGYBACK ON THAT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME GREEN ROOFS IN METRO CENTER.

UH, JUST THANKS TO STAFF.

THERE WAS A, WE, WE HAD TWO LIGHTER MEETINGS AND THEN ALL IN TONIGHT, SO APPRECIATE THAT.

AND FOR OUR GUESTS THAT ARE HERE TILL ALMOST TOMORROW, UM, WE APPRECIATE THAT AND IN YOUR CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP.

SO THANK YOU.

NOTHING TONIGHT.