Feb 06, 2025 Planning &amp; Zoning Commission

UH, ASSUMING EVERYONE HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS AND THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE JANUARY 23RD MEETING, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE JANUARY 23RD, 2025 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEET.

WELCOME, MS. MAXWELL.

WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OUR ROLE MR. ALEXANDER? HERE.

AND MR. WE HERE? THANK YOU, MS. MAXWELL.

[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]

SO MOVED.

THANK YOU, MR. WE DO I HAVE A SECOND.

THANK YOU, MS. MAXWELL.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLANNING OF PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.

IN SUCH CASES, THE PLANNING, AND, EXCUSE ME, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.

IN OTHER CASES, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS FOR THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL FIRST PRESENT THEIR CASE, UH, FOLLOWED BY STAFF ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION, AT WHICH TIME THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.

AFTER THE QUESTION PERIOD, WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME PUBLIC COMMENT IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, WHICH HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSION.

UH, ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION WILL BE SWORN IN.

YOU'LL BE INVITED IN THE APPLICATION TO COME FORWARD.

ENSURE THAT YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

WE DO REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AFTER THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS WHEN THE COMMISSION WILL DELIBERATE ON THE CASE.

SO ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THE CASES THIS EVENING MUST BE SWORN IN.

IF YOU DO INTEND TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, IF I COULD HAVE YOU PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THE COMMISSION? YES.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO WANT TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE COMMENTS ON CASES WHO WERE NOT SWORN IN, WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AT

[Case #24-135Z-PDP & Case #24-151PP]

THIS TIME.

WE WILL PURSUE, PROCEED WITH OUR CASE REVIEW.

THE FOLLOWING TWO CASES PERTAIN TO THE SAME PROJECT, THE SAME PROPERTY, AND THEREFORE WILL BE CONSIDERED TOGETHER.

SEPARATE ACTIONS, HOWEVER, WILL BE TAKEN FOR EACH OF THE, THE CASES.

THESE CASES ARE 24 DASH 1 35 ZPDP, AND 24 DASH 1 51 PP FOR BRIGHT ROAD RESERVE.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL OF REZONING, A 14.2 ACRE SITE FROM R ONE RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, AND A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLAN.

PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF 20 SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE LOTS AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

THE SITE IS LOCATED NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF BRIGHT ROAD AND GRANDY CLIFFS DRIVE.

AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT FORWARD FOR THEIR CASE PRESENTATION INDEED, AND YOUR MICROPHONE IS NOT CURRENTLY ON IT IS NOW ON.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.

WELCOME, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS BILL ADAMS. UH, I REPRESENT 43 38 BRIGHT ROAD PARTNERS, LLC AS MANAGING MEMBER.

MY STREET ADDRESS IS 88 24 DUNNING DRIVE, DUBLIN 4 3 0 1 7.

I WILL KEEP MY COMMENTS, UH, VERY BRIEF

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THIS EVENING.

UM, WITH US TONIGHT IS THE LANDOWNER, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, ENGINEERING CONSULTANT, LAND PLANNING AND ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT ALSO, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, OUR EXCLUSIVE BUILDER, CORINTHIAN FINE HOMES.

THE INSPIRATION FOR THIS PROJECT STEMS FROM SESSIONS VILLAGE AND BECK, OHIO THAT BEGAN DEVELOPMENT IN THE 1920S.

IT WAS POSTPONED TWO TIMES DUE TO THE DEPRESSION IN WORLD WAR II, BUT TO ME, IT REPRESENTS, IN OUR OPINION, ONE OF THE MOST INTIMATE AND ARCHITECTURALLY CONTROLLED SMALL DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, OHIO.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AT BRIGHT ROAD.

WHILE WE FEEL THIS DEVELOPMENT IS A VERY UNIQUE OFFERING FOR DUBLIN, IT SHOWCASES VERY SENSITIVE LAND PLANNING CONTROLLED ARCHITECTURE, ALONG WITH AN ELEVATED PRICE POINT FOR THE EXECUTIVE HOUSING MARKET.

WE'RE, OUR GOAL TONIGHT IS TO RECEIVE APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS TO MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.

HAVING SAID THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE BRIAN KINSMAN FROM MKSK TO ELABORATE THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT FURTHER.

THE STREET TREE PLANTINGS.

GOOD EVENING ALL.

BRIAN KINSMAN, SENIOR PRINCIPAL, MKSK, UH, 4 6 2 SOUTH LUDLOW.

THANKS FOR HAVING US BACK AGAIN.

I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF AS WELL.

YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT.

IF I CAN GET THIS THING TO WORK, IT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT DOESN'T SEEM TO TO WORK.

THERE WE GO.

UM, AS, AS BILL MENTIONED, THE INSPIRATION BEHIND THIS THAT IS A, UM, AN INTIMATE HAMLET OF, OF, DARE I SAY, HIGH-END SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

UH, WHAT HE, WHAT HE REFERENCED IS, UH, IS A PRIVATE CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPMENT, UH, VIRTUALLY NO YARDS, VERY TIGHTLY COMPRESSED, EVEN SOME COMMON WALL, UH, CONSTRUCTION.

THIS IS THE DUBLIN INTERPRETATION OF THAT WITH PUBLIC ROADS, I THINK MORE INVITING TO THE, UH, THE, THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

THIS IS NOT A GATED COMMUNITY.

UM, AND, BUT, BUT THEY ARE BIG, BIG HOMES ON SMALLER LOTS WITH A WHAT, UH, SESSIONS DOES NOT HAVE.

AND THAT IS A, UH, UH, A COLLECTION OF BEAUTIFUL OPEN SPACES.

SO WE'RE LOOKING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE OPEN SPACES.

ONE, THEY'RE VIRTUALLY UNDEVELOPABLE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT MAJOR WATER COURSES, BUT THOSE OPEN SPACES PROVIDE GREAT CHARACTER TO, UH, THE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, THE BRIGHT ROAD CHARACTERS SIGNIFICANT.

WE ARE NOT, UM, GOING TO AFFECT THAT ADVERSELY.

WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO EMBELLISH THAT.

THE CONNECTION TO THE CULTURE AND HISTORIC, UH, ITEMS THAT, THAT, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN DUBLIN OFFERS ARE IN DIRECT PROXIMITY TO THIS.

THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

UH, THE STREETS SCAPE CHARACTER INTERNAL TO THIS SITE IS MEANT TO BE ONE OF INTIMACY.

WE'RE BRINGING THE, UH, THE, THE, THE FACADES OF THE HOMES CLOSER TO THE STREET WITH A WELL TAILORED PUBLIC REALM AND, AND, UH, A STREET SCAPE THAT IS MORE COMPACT.

I'LL COME BACK TO THAT.

WHEN WE, WE GET TO THE SECTIONS, UH, AND WE'VE GOT ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, WE'VE GOT THE WESTWOOD AND THE BILLINGSLEY RUN, UH, WOODLOTS.

WE'RE USING ONE FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.

WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, AUGMENTING THOSE IN A POSITIVE WAY FROM A QUALITY OF PLANT MATERIAL.

SO THIS IS ALL ABOUT HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONTINUES ON WITH DUBLIN'S, UH, REPUTATION AS A, A HIGH-END QUALITY OF LIFE PLACE.

THIS IS A, A, A ILLUSTRATION OF THE SITE.

AGAIN, WE'VE GOT WOODLOT ON THE WEST, BILLINGSLEY RUN ON THE EAST.

THAT WOULD BE YOUR LEFT AND RIGHT, UM, UH, RESPECTIVELY.

BRIGHT ROAD IS OUR ONLY ACCESS POINT.

WE WILL BE ENTERING THE SITE WHERE THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY IS, UH, ACROSS FROM GRANDY CLIFFS.

THE, UH, INTERIOR PLANTINGS WERE MOSTLY YARD PLANTINGS, IF YOU WILL, FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY.

UH, THE SCREEN PLANTING ALONG BRIGHT ROAD WAS, UH, NORWAY SPRUCE.

THOSE HAVE, HAVE GOT SOME AGE TO THEM AS WELL.

THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE IS VOLUNTEER

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GROWTH.

AGAIN, BOTH OF THOSE AREAS ARE GONNA NEED TO BE BOLSTERED.

NOT FOR SAKE OF SCREENING THIS OFF, BUT FOR SOME HEALTH OF THE, UH, OF THE WOODLOT, THE STANDARDS, THERE'S A FULL CADRE OF THOSE IN YOUR, IN YOUR DOCUMENT.

I WON'T BORE YOU WITH ALL OF THOSE.

UM, BUT WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT IS ON BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH BOUNDARY OF THIS PROPERTY, A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE EASEMENT FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THOSE FENCE ROWS, AS I MENTIONED, AND ALSO MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO GIVE US REAL ESTATE THAT WE CAN AUGMENT THOSE FENCE ROWS.

SOME OF THOSE PLANTS ARE GETTING TO THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE GENERATIONS OF PLANT GROWTH IN THOSE AREAS.

WE'VE GOT RESERVES ON BOTH THE EAST AND THE AND THE WEST.

AND, UH, THANKS TO SOME GREAT COMMENTS.

WE HEARD FROM YOU ALL WHEN WE WERE HERE IN JUNE.

WE'VE GOT A CENTRAL COURT, WHICH IS, UH, PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, MORE ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, UH, FOR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD USE.

AND WE'VE ALSO CONNECTED THAT TO THE WEST WOOD THROUGH THIS, ALL A AND A CASUAL WALKWAY THAT LEADS FOLKS FROM THIS INTERIOR GREEN SPACE, UH, TO, UH, THE WOODLOT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

I, I MENTIONED THE STREET SECTION BEFORE.

THERE'S TWO STREET SECTIONS SHOWN AT THE BOTTOM.

ONE ON THE LEFT IS OUR PREFERRED, AND THAT IS A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, FIVE FEET WIDE WITH A DA, UH, COMPLIANT, UH, DRIVEWAY APRONS AND CONNECTING WALKWAYS AT STRATEGIC PLACES THROUGH THE TREE PLANTING, UH, VERGE ALONG THE STREET SCAPE, ALLOWING EVERYONE TO HAVE ACCESS TO EVERY HOME AND TO THE MAILBOX, AND ALSO TO THE, UH, TO THE BRIGHT ROAD ENTRANCE.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO US IS THAT THAT SECTION FEEL WHERE THE HOMES ARE A 15 FOOT SETBACK AND THEN A FIVE FOOT BEHIND THAT BUILD TWO LINE.

SO WE'RE CAUSING THOSE HOMES TO BE BROUGHT UP TO THAT, THAT, UH, THAT STREET SCAPE.

UM, YOU'LL HEAR FROM STAFF IN A MOMENT, UH, THE DUBLIN STANDARD, I BELIEVE, OR STANDARD THAT IS BEING ENTERTAINED AT THIS JUNCTURE OF HAVING SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET SIX FEET WIDE, AND THAT INCREASES THE RIGHT OF WAY AND PUSHES THE HOMES BACK AWAY FROM THE STREET.

WE'RE, UH, WE ARE, WE'RE PROPOSING THE FIRST SECTION AND WILL STATE WHY WE THINK THAT'S MUCH BETTER.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE PLACE.

WE ALSO HAVE A VERY SMALL POPULATION.

THIS SITE IS NOT INTERCONNECTED WITH OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS OTHER THAN LEAVING OUT GRANDY CLIFFS AND, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH.

SO THERE'S VERY LIMITED POPULATION.

UH, THE NEED FOR THAT LEVEL OF PEDESTRIAN, UH, PASSAGE, WE THINK IS A, IS A LITTLE BIT OVER THE TOP.

WE CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE PROVISION FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

WE'VE PROVIDED THIS DRAWING TO SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH, UH, VERSUS OUR SECTION AND WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'LL HEAR FROM STAFF A PREFERRED FOR TWO SIDEWALKS.

AGAIN, THAT CAUSES US TO INCREASE THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH ON STREET B.

IT ALSO CAUSES US TO DECREASE THE GREEN SPACE.

THAT IS THE CENTRAL COURT.

AGAIN, WE'RE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET PEDESTRIANS FROM, UH, ALL DESTINATIONS, AND WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT.

SO THIS IS THERE FOR YOUR INFORMATION, JUST COMPARISON.

IT ALSO SHORTENS THE LOTS ALONG THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH ARE EXACTLY THE LOTS THAT WE DON'T DO NOT WANNA FOR SHORTEN, UM, BECAUSE OF, UH, UM, THE GREEN SPACE THAT IS TO THE NORTH BOUNDARY.

SO THE OPEN SPACES, THE WESTWOOD IS WHERE WE'RE HOLDING STORM WATER.

I'LL COME TO THAT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE GET TO STORM DRAINAGE EAST, UH, EAST BOUNDARY, WHICH IS THE BILLING SEA RUN.

THAT WOOD LOT IS STAYING JUST AS IT IS THAT IT'S GOT TWO WATER COURSES PASSING THROUGH IT WITH A CULVERT UNDER BRIGHT ROAD RESERVE SEA IS THAT CENTRAL GATHERING PLACE FOR THE RESIDENTS.

AND THEN THE, UH, THE PINK AREAS ARE THE, UH, PRESERVATION AREAS AROUND THE BOUNDARY LANDSCAPE.

UH, WE ARE TRYING TO BE AS JUDICIOUS WITH THOSE EXISTING TREE LOTS AS POSSIBLE AND ALSO THE EDGES, BUT WE WILL BE REMOVING SOME TREES TO PROVIDE FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IN THE WESTWOOD.

WE'RE ALSO RECEIVING SOME RUNOFF FROM THE HANNAH HILLS DEVELOPMENT TO OUR NORTH.

SO WE'RE MANAGING THAT STORMWATER AS WELL AS OURS.

AND THEN IT CONTINUES ON ITS SWALE DOWN TO THE, DOWN TO THE RIVER.

SO THE TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED FOR THAT, THE TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED, UH, THE YARD PLANTINGS AS I CALL THEM, UH, WE WILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE, UH, THE, UH, GUIDELINES OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN FOR THAT TREE REPLACEMENT.

WE'LL HAVE A, UM, A, A MIX OF HARDWOODS FOR

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WE'LL AUGMENT THE EDGES.

UH, WE WILL ALSO AUGMENT THOSE WOODLOTS.

THERE'S AREAS WHERE WE'VE GOT, UH, SOME STANDING DEAD, SOME DYING TREES THAT WE MAY VERY WELL COME IN AND UNDERSTORY PLANT THOSE AGAIN.

SO THOSE WOOD LOTS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REGENERATE THEMSELVES OVER TIME.

UTILITIES ARE QUITE SIMPLE, THANKS TO OUR WONDERFUL CIVIL ENGINEERS.

UH, WE'VE GOT DRAINAGE IN THE BACKYARDS OF THE INTERIOR LOTS, AND WE'RE DRAINING ALL OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TO THE BASIN TO THE WEST.

WE'RE FREE DRAINING A PORTION OF THIS SITE DIRECTLY INTO BILLINGSLEY RUN ON THE EAST, BUT WE'RE OVERCOMPENSATING FOR THAT FROM A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT ON THE WEST.

SO IT'S A NET NO CHANGE TO DOWNSTREAM WATERCOURSE NOW FOR THAT STORM DRAINAGE.

AND THIS KILLS A FEW BIRDS WITH ONE STONE, AND THAT IS THE CENTRAL COURT.

FIRST OFF, WHEN WE WERE HERE BEFORE, WE WERE TALKING OF THAT BEING PART OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, SYSTEM.

AND THROUGH YOUR GREAT COMMENTS, WE'VE DETERMINED THAT WE WANT TO PUT THAT BACK INTO A MORE OF A PUBLIC USE.

SO THAT IS AN ACTIVITY LAWN, IF YOU WILL.

WE THINK IT CAN BE, UH, VERY TASTEFULLY PLANTED ON THE PERIMETER.

I'M THINKING IT'S A, IT'S A BIRCH GROVE WITH SOME UNDERSTORY PLANTINGS, AND THAT OPEN SPACE IS THERE FOR COMMUNITY GATHERINGS, SATURDAY NIGHT WINE PARTIES, UH, MEMORIAL DAY GATHERINGS, UH, ANY KIND OF CELEBRATION THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT WANT TO HAVE.

JUST THAT PASSIVE OUTDOOR GATHERING SPACE.

WE'VE PULLED THE TWO LOTS, THREE AND FOUR APART AND PUT A CENTRAL SPINE THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THOSE.

AGAIN, THANKS TO YOUR GREAT COMMENTS.

WE'RE CALLING THAT THE LA AND THAT IS A CASUAL SPECIALTY PAVED WALK.

COULD BE RAKED, GRAVEL, COULD BE DRY, LAID LIMESTONE, SOME PATH, NOT A BIKE TRAIL, NOT A MULTI-USE TRAIL, BUT A PEDESTRIAN PATH TO GET OUR USERS AND OUR NEIGHBORS DOWN TO AND INTO THAT WOODLOT.

WHAT WE HAVE SHOWN IN THIS IMAGE IS A CASUAL SEATING AREA MAY SIMPLY BE, UH, SOMETHING AKIN TO A RESIDENTIAL PATIO IN SCALE WITH, UH, SOME CASUAL FURNISHINGS JUST TO GIVE OUR FOLKS, AND QUITE FRANKLY, OUR NEIGHBORS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENJOY THAT WOODLOT WITHOUT HAVING TO WALK THROUGH THAT WOODLOT.

WE'RE ALSO GOING TO LANDSCAPE THIS BASIN.

THAT BASIN WILL BE SURGICALLY CRAFTED FROM A GRADING STANDPOINT.

WE'VE GOTTA MEET THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT QUANTITY.

WE'VE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF THE, UH, THE SILTATION AND, AND THE REST OF THE DETAIL OF THE ENGINEERING OF THAT, BUT IT WANTS TO BE PART OF THE WOODLOT.

WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GRADE THIS TO MISS SIGNIFICANT TREES.

AND THEN LANDSCAPE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BASIN ITSELF, ALL WITH THE UNDERSTANDING AND THE APPROVAL OF ENGINEERING.

SO WE'RE NOT AFFECTING QUANTITY OR MAINTENANCE, BUT THIS DOES NOT NEED TO WANT TO LOOK LIKE A COMMERCIAL DETENTION BASIN.

THIS WANTS TO BE PART OF THIS WOODLOT.

SO WE MAY VERY WELL HAVE CANOPY TREES, UH, IN THAT WOODLOT CERTAINLY LANDSCAPE, THE, THE BOUNDARY AS WELL, BUT NOT IN ANY CONTRIVED FASHION.

IT WANTS TO BE NATURALIZED LIKE THE REST OF THE WOODLOT.

SO IF WE DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY AS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, WE'VE DONE OUR JOB WELL.

YOU'LL ALSO SEE ON THE LEFT A MAINTENANCE PATH STAFF HAS, UH, ASKED THAT WE, UH, PROVIDE FOR A PAVED 10 FOOT WIDE MAINTENANCE PATH BACK TO THE DISCHARGE DEVICE THAT, UH, THAT SATISFIES THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.

UM, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN A MOMENT, BUT THERE IS NO PAVED CIRCULATION, UH, OR EVEN INTENDED CIRCULATION THROUGH THIS WESTWOOD.

AND THAT IS, THAT IS, UH, NO CHANGE FROM OUR PREVIOUS POSITION.

OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE, AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS IN YOUR, UH, KIT OF PARTS.

UH, THE, THE STAFF HAS ASKED THAT THE STORMWATER BASIN, THE WESTWOOD, UH, BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN AND DUBLIN WILL MAINTAIN THAT BILLINGSLEY RUN.

WE'VE ALWAYS CONSIDERED THAT TO BE A, A, UH, UH, DEEDED OFF TO DUBLIN FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE.

THE CENTRAL COURT, THE HOA WILL MAINTAIN, BUT DUBLIN WILL OWN THAT.

SAME WITH THE EAST COURT, WHICH IS MORE OF A MODEST PLANTING AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT'LL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, BUT OWNED BY, UH, DUBLIN.

THE LANDSCAPE EASEMENTS, THOSE WILL PROBABLY FOLLOW TITLE.

THOSE ARE GONNA BE PRIVATELY HELD, BUT THE HOA WILL BE THE ONSITE, UM, MONITOR OF THAT.

AND NOW I'M GONNA HAVE MY DEAR COLLEAGUE TAYLOR COME UP AND SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER BY THE BUY.

THESE ARE ALL CUSTOM HOMES, ONE BUILDER.

EVERY

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LOT IS DIFFERENT.

THE TOPOGRAPHY IS INFORMING THE ARCHITECTURE AS WELL.

SO THIS IS TRULY GOING TO BE A CUSTOM ARCHITECTURAL EXPRESSION.

HELLO EVERYONE.

UM, I'M TAYLOR DENNIS.

I'M WITH THE JONES STUDIO, UM, 5 0 3 CITY PARKING COLUMBUS.

UM, BRIAN JONES, UNFORTUNATELY GONNA MAKE IT TONIGHT, BUT WHEN IT EXPRESSES ENTHUSIASM FOR THE PROJECT, UM, WE WERE BROUGHT IN ULTIMATELY TO SET THE ARCHITECTURAL VOCAB FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, REALLY LOOKING AT MIDWESTERN VERNACULAR ARCHITECTURE ALONG WITH, UM, EUROPEAN COUNTRY, UM, REALLY TO ALIGN WITH THE CONTEXT OF DUBLIN'S ARCHITECTURE, BUT ALSO TO ULTIMATELY, UM, UM, GRAB THAT, YOU KNOW, EUROPEAN HAMLET STYLE.

UM, SO WE FOCUS ON THREE MAIN CATEGORIES, UM, MASSING, FENESTRATION AND MATERIALITY.

SO REALLY KEEPING SIMPLE FORMS, YOU KNOW, ONE AND A HALF, TWO STORY HOUSES.

UM, WE FEEL LIKE, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT, UM, ROOF PITCHES THROUGHOUT, BUT ALSO BRING IN A MIX OF HIP ROOFS AND GABLE ROOFS, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF VARIETY.

UM, AND THEN FENESTRATION, YOU KNOW, JUST KEEPING PROPORTIONAL LIGHT CUTS, PROPORTIONAL SIZING, UM, ALONG WITH JUST CONSISTENT PATTERNS THROUGHOUT.

UM, MIRROR MATERIALITY.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BRICK STUCCO AND STONE.

THOSE ARE OUR PRIMARY MATERIALS.

UM, WE SEE KEEPING A CONSISTENT PALETTE THROUGHOUT, BUT ALSO GIVING EACH HOME A LITTLE BIT OF VARIETY.

WITH THAT.

THESE IMAGES ARE KIND OF A MIX OF PROJECTS THAT OUR FIRM HAS DONE, BUT ALSO SOME THAT ARE JUST GREAT REFERENCE IMAGES.

UM, REALLY CAPTURING THOSE INTIMATE STREET SCAPES ALONG WITH, UM, SIZE AND SCALE AND MATERIALITY.

UM, YEAH, SO THAT'S EVERYTHING.

THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

WITH THAT, I'LL UH, TURN IT OVER TO RATTI AND SHE CAN GIVE YOU HER STAFF REPORT.

WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, A SMALL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IS GENERATED ON THE RIGHT ROAD, AND PER THE ANALYSIS, THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES TO NOT MEET THE MINIMUMS FOR ADVANCING TRAFFIC ON ODOT RIGHT TURN LANE VOLUMES AND HENCE NO RIGHT TURN LANE IS REQUIRED.

WELCOME MISSING.

THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSION MEMBERS.

TONIGHT WE HAVE A COMBINED APPLICATION FOR REZONING PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLA PDP AND REZONING IS A SECOND STEP IN A THREE STEP PROCESS FOR A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

AND IT IS HEARD BOTH BY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL.

CONSIDERATIONS TONIGHT ARE LAND USE AND DENSITIES, GENERAL SITE LAYOUT, STREETS AND CIRCULATION, OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK, AS WELL AS INTEGRATION WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TONIGHT.

THE PLANNING PROCESS IS REQUIRED FOR ANY NEW SUBDIVISION AND CONSIDERATIONS ARE LOT SIZES, OPEN SPACE, SIZE, STREET, LOCATIONS, AND EASEMENT LOCATIONS.

AGAIN, A CITY COUNCIL, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS REQUIRED TONIGHT, JUST A QUICK BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE SITE FROM A MORE LARGER PERSPECTIVE.

S COMBINE OF TWO PARCELS AND A ZONED R ONE.

IT IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH INCLUDE MEMBERS OF EAST AS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

HOPEWELL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS LOCATED ACROSS BRIGHT ROAD TOWARDS THE SOUTHEAST AND FERRIS FRIGHT PARK TO THE SOUTHWEST ACROSS THE BRIGHT ROAD.

BRIGHT ROAD HAS A RURAL CHARACTER WITH NO CURBS, A DITCH TREES HOMES WITH LOTS SETBACKS FROM THE ROAD.

IT IS A LOW TRAFFIC VOLUME ROAD, AND THIS WAS CUL-DE-SAC BY THE CITY AROUND 2020.

CARY PLAN IS A KEY POLICY DOCUMENT WHICH ASSIST IN THE EVALUATION OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS AND HELP ENSURE THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SUPPORTS THE COMMUNITY'S LONG-TERM GOAL.

THE GOAL IS TO CREATE A TRANSITION FROM A RURAL SETTING TO A SUBURBAN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE PRINCIPLE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED OUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON A HALF ACRE LOT WITH A PERMANENT DENSITY OF 0.5 TO TWO DEVELOPMENT UNITS PER ACRE.

THE PROPOSED DENSITY FOR THIS PROPOSAL IS 1.4 DEVELOPMENT UNIT PER ACRE.

A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT HIGHLIGHTING TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SURROUNDING ROADWAY NETWORK, AND ALSO TO IDENTIFY ANY MITIGATION MEASURES ARE NECESSARY WITH THOSE UH, IMPACTS.

BRIGHT ROAD BEING A CUL-DE-SAC, THERE IS NO EASTBOUND TRAFFIC EXPECTED, AND HENCE A NO DEDICATED LEFT TURN IS REQUIRED.

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ALSO BASED ON THE MOUNT CARMEL AND THE BEACON TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES, THE BRIGHT ROAD AND THE EMERALD PARKWAY INTERSECTION OPERATES IN AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

AND BOTH OF THESE STUDIES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE GR GROWTH AS PROVIDED BY MOPS C.

THE ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT THERE IS A VERY LITTLE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING ROADWAY NETWORK.

WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE BLY WAVE PLAN RECOMMENDS A SHARED USE TRAIL ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BROW ROAD.

THE CITY IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE EXTENDING THE SHARED USE PATH ALONG THE SITES OUT AT THE BRIGHT ROAD, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN HERE IN YELLOW.

THE SPOT WILL CROSS BILLING STREET CREEK AND TERMINATE AT GRANDE CLIFF DRIVE.

ENVISION DUBLIN RECOMMENDS THAT PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE FACILITIES BE INCLUDED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, WHICH FEATURES NATURAL ELEMENT AS WELL.

GIVEN THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE BRIGHT ROAD STAFF IS SATISFIED WITH ONE SHARED USE PATH ON BRIGHT ROAD, WHICH IS THE CITY PROVIDED ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO ENSURE CONNECTIVITY TO THE FUTURE SHARED USE PATH TWO CROSSWALKS ARE BEING PROPOSED BY THE DEVELOPER.

ONE IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE BRIGHT ROAD AND THE GRANITE CLIFFS, AND THE OTHER ONE IS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, WHICH IS JUST ACROSS THE FERRIS RIGHT PARK.

THE APPLICANT WILL COORDINATE WITH STAFF REGARDING THE TIMING OF THESE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.

IN 2004, THE CITY COUNCIL AMENDED A RESOLUTION THAT ESTABLISHED GUIDELINES FOR CONSERVATION DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.

THE PURPOSE AND INTENTION OF THESE CONSERVATION DESIGN GUIDELINES IS TO CREATE VISUALLY APPEALING AND VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOODS, AS WELL AS SAFEGUARDING THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.

THIS IS ACHIEVED BY PROMOTING SENSITIVE SITE PLANNING AND ALLOWING DEVIATIONS FROM STANDARD DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AS WELL AS CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.

THE MOST PROMINENT NATURAL FEATURES PRESENT ON THE SITE INCLUDES BILLINGSLEY CREEK, THE WESTWOOD AREAS, AND THE LAST TREES ALONG THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.

IT IS, IT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED AT THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE CONSERVATION DESIGN RESOLUTION.

THE CITY ADOPTED NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES IN MARCH OF 2023 TO ENSURE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENTS ARE ACHIEVING THE EXPECTATIONS WHICH ARE OUTLINED BY THE CODE AND PRODUCING MORE CREATIVE AND SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOODS.

NEXT FEW SLIDES DETAILS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, ANALYSIS AND HIGHLIGHTING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES ONLY CONSIDERED A DRY WATER STORM WATER DETENTION FACILITIES AS A CONTRIBUTING OPEN SPACE WHEN THESE AREAS ACHIEVE A SUPERIOR AND AN INTERACTIVE DESIGN AS A USABLE OPEN SPACE.

THE PROPOSAL EXHIBIT PEDESTRIAN PARTS, WHICH LEADS TO THE STORMWATER FACILITY.

HOWEVER, ADDITIONAL INTERVENTIONS ARE REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT THE WESTWOOD IS A USABLE SPACE COMING TO MICRO LEVEL DESIGN GUIDELINES.

THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT NOTES A FIVE FOOT WHITE TREE LAWN, WHICH IS NOTED AS A STANDARD THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE DRAWINGS INDICATE 5.5 FOOT WIDE TREE LAWN, WHICH FURTHER TAPERS DOWN TO A VERY NARROWER TREE LAWN, AND IT IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR A TREE.

PLANTATION CODE REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF FIVE FOOT TREE LAWN AND ENVISION RECOM AND ENVISION DUBLIN RECOMMENDS OF EIGHT FOOT TREE LAWN.

THE APPLICANT MUST ENSURE THAT THE UNIFORM TREE LAWN IS NOTED ON THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AS WELL AS ALIGNS WITH THE DRAWINGS.

THE MINIMUM SETBACKS, UM, SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT FOR ONE SIDE, UH, FOR THE SIDE LOADED AND FOR THE SIDE LOADED GARAGES, SORRY, WHICH IS RELATED TO THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME.

SOME OF THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE FURTHER DISCUSSED IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES COMING TO THE PRIVATE REALM.

IT IN FOCUSES ON THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

THE MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACK IS SIX FEET.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES RECOMMEND THAT IN NO CASE THE SIDE YARD HAS TO BE LESS THAN SIX ON ONE SIDE AND 14 IN TOTAL FOR LOTS, ONE TO 10.

BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, THE MINIMUM DEPTH OF THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE IS NOT ACCURATE AND THERE ARE NUMBER OF INCONSISTENCIES IN THE NUMERICAL STANDARDS.

REVISIONS TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT WILL BE REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE ADEQUATE.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS AN INFILL PROJECT, WHICH IS SURROUNDED BY A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND IS ONLY ACCESSED VIA BRIGHT ROAD, WHICH IS A CUL-DE-SAC.

NO ADDITIONAL ROAD CONNECTIONS ARE PLANNED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AS MENTIONED EARLIER, A SMALL PORTION OF THE SIDE BORDERS ON THE BRIGHT ROAD,

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WHICH IS ACROSS FERRIS RIGHT PARK.

IN ORDER TO FACILITATE MAINTENANCE OF THE DETENTION BASIN, A 10 FOOT WIDE SHARED USE PATH IS PROPOSED FROM THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, WHICH LEADS TO THE DETENTION BASIN, AND A CROSSWALK IS PROVIDED AS WELL, WHICH CONNECTS TO THE FRA WRIGHT PARK.

THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE SPECIALTY PAVEMENT FROM THE CENTRAL COAT TO THE DETENTION BASE.

BASIN STORM RECOMMENDS A CONTINUOUS SHARED USE PATH FROM THE BRIGHT ROAD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ENSURING PEDESTRIAN AND A D CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT FROM THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE SITE CONNECTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THESE SHARED USE PATHS ARE RECOMMENDED TO BE CONSTRUCTED AS PER CITY STANDARDS.

THE PROPOSED SUITES WILL BE PUBLIC WITH A 50 FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF WAY EXTENDING TO THE, FROM THE BRIGHT ROAD UNTIL THE INTERSECTION OF THE FIRST, UM, UNTIL THE FIRST INTERSECTION.

THE REMINDER OF THIS STREET, UM, WILL BE 40 FOOT WIDE.

WHILE THE CITY RECOMMENDS A 60 FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF WAY, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE ISOLATED NATURE OF THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE PROPOSED STREET HIERARCHY IS LIMITED TO THESE STREET BEDS.

FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ARE PROPOSED ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE STREET, WHICH ARE SEEN HERE IN GREEN.

WHILE THE RECENTLY ADOPTED CITY STANDARDS, A SIX FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK IS REQUIRED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT.

STAFF HAS REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE FACTUAL DETAILS AND IMPLICATIONS OF PROVIDING THESE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AND ITS IMPACT ON THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A CROSS SECTION WHICH IS SHOWN HERE, HOWEVER, NO DRAWINGS ARE PRESENTED TO THE STAFF TO DETERMINE IF THE SIDEWALK WOULD IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THE PROPOSED LAYOUT, AND IF IT IMPACT THE INTENDED THEME OF THE PROPOSAL.

LOTS.

2, 5, 10 OR 13 ARE THE INSIDE CORNER LOTS WITH A NARROW WIDTH WEARING FROM 29 FEET TO 43 FEET, WHICH IS FOR LOT NUMBER 10.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT A MINIMUM OF 40 FEET LOT WIDTH, WE MAINTAIN, SORRY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT A MINIMUM OF 40 FEET WIDTH, WE MAINTAIN FOR LOT TWO, FIVE, AND 13 TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH LANDSCAPING OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FRONT, WHICH IS A VERY ESSENTIAL COMPONENT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WITH THIS, WE HAVE THE PT P CRITERIA LISTED HERE.

MOST OF THE CRITERIA ARE MET WITH CONDITION OR THEY'RE MET, AND THESE ARE THE CONTINUED PTP CRITERIA.

THE PRELIMINARY PLA CRITERIA ARE LARGELY MET WITH CONDITIONS.

WITH THIS PLANNING RECOMMENDS RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL OF APPROVAL OF REZONING AND PDP WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A SIX FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREETS IN THE SUBDIVISION AND REVISE THE TEXT ACCORDINGLY.

THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE A CONNECTED SHARED USE PATH AND RESERVE A FOR THE CITY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS AND REVISE THE TEXT.

PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL SUBMITTAL, THE APPLICANT MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO LOT TWO, FIVE AND 13 TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 40 FEET TO ACHIEVE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE DRIVER LOCATION AND PROVIDING LANDSCAPING OPPORTUNITIES FOR A COHESIVE RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE.

THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A UNIFORM TREE LONG WITHIN THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT ANY DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE DRAWINGS.

THE APPLICANT REVISED THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT TO ADDRESS THE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE REAR YARD SETBACKS, PRIMARY STRUCTURE SETBACK, AND MINIMUM PRIVATE OPEN SPACES ON LOTS ONE TO 10.

THE APPLICANT REVISED DEVELOPMENT TEXT TO REQUIRE MINIMUM SIDE YARD DIMENSION AT SIX FEET ON ONE SIDE AND 14 FEET TOTAL.

THE APPLICANT REVISED THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT TO PROVIDE MINIMUM SETBACKS FOR THE FRONT LOADED AND SIDE LOADED GARAGES.

PLANNING COMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PLAT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

THE APPLICANT ENSURES THAT THE SITE SURVEY EASEMENTS GRADING AND ENGINEERING COMMENTS ARE SHOWN ON THE PLAT PRIOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL SUBMITTAL AND THE APPLICANT ADDRESSES IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER TECHNICAL ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WE ALSO HAVE A CITY ENGINEER HERE TONIGHT.

THANK YOU MISS, UH, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION NOW, WE WILL HANDLE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND FOR STAFF AT THE SAME TIME.

MR. GARVIN, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? GREAT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT

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FIRST.

UM, SO REGARDING THAT, WESTWOOD, OBVIOUSLY YOUR UPDATED PROPOSAL STILL DOESN'T SHOW A CONNECTION THROUGH THAT DETENTION BASIN.

DO YOU SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO CONNECT THROUGH? OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOT, UH, WATER RETAINING PURPOSES, SO IS THERE A, A PATH YOU SEE, AN AREA YOU SEE FOR A PATH AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF THAT THAT MIGHT CONNECT TO THOSE TWO PHYSICALLY? YEAH, WE CAN GET A PATH IN THERE.

IT'S GONNA COST TREES AND IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THAT WESTWOOD THAT WE'VE ALWAYS CONSIDERED THE PATH.

UH, ENGINEERING HAS ASKED FOR THAT MAINTENANCE PATH SO THEY CAN FROM BRIGHT ROAD, GET BACK TO THIS DISCHARGE DEVICE AND WE GET THAT.

UM, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE 10 FEET WIDE AND ASPHALT PAVE FOR PERIODIC MAINTENANCE.

I ALSO AM CONCERNED THAT THAT'S GOING TO INVITE PEOPLE TO THINK THAT THAT IS A BIKE PATH.

AND ENGINEERING HAS ALSO ASKED US TO PUT IN A PAINTED CROSSWALK ACROSS BRIGHT ROAD, WHICH IS NO DEAL OTHER THAN THAT IS A MAINTENANCE PATH.

IT'S NOT MEANT TO ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, IT'S ONLY MEANT FOR MAINTENANCE VEHICLES.

UM, SO, UH, ON THE OTHER CONNECTING PATH FROM THE CENTRAL, UH, COURT IN THAT IS AGAIN, IT'S MORE OF A GARDEN PATH TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO GET INTO THE WOODS AND ENJOY THAT WOODS WITHOUT TRAIPSING THROUGH IT.

DARE I SAY, WITHOUT RIDING A BIKE THROUGH IT, UH, IT WILL HARM THE CHARACTER OF IT.

WE'VE GOT NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH ON HANNAH HILLS.

WE'VE GOT A NEIGHBOR AT THE SCUR CORNER.

WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER FOLKS TO OUR WEST, AND WE ALSO HAVE FOUR OF OUR LOTS THAT, THAT WESTWOOD IS IN THEIR BACKYARD.

THAT IS WHY INITIALLY AND TO THIS DAY, WE THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE PASSIVE WOODLOT NOT OPEN TO ANY RECREATION.

AND WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN OF SUCH RESERVES THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A TRAIL OR A PATHWAY THROUGH THEM.

THEY'RE MEANT TO PRESERVE THE GREEN SPACE AND TO BE LOOKED AT FROM A FAR NOT RIDDEN THROUGH AND WALKED THROUGH.

SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE COMPLETE AND TOTAL PHILOSOPHY BEHIND WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SPACE IS, UH, AND YOU MENTIONED IT BEING AVAILABLE TO NEIGHBORS, HOW WOULD YOU ENVISION THE ACCESS THAT SHOULD PRIMARILY BE THROUGH THE ENTRANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH THE SIDEWALK? THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.

AGAIN, THAT CENTRAL COURT, UH, IS UH, IS WHAT WE THINK IS THE, THE, OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS PART OF A LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S OUR COMMUNITY'S LIVING ROOM.

THAT'S WHERE FOLKS ARE GONNA GATHER.

AND WE LIKE TO THINK THAT OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH, OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH, WILL ALSO TEND TO GATHER.

THERE'S, AGAIN, THIS IS AN INFILL SITE, SO WE'VE GOT BRIGHT ROAD AND THE SIDEWALK THAT LEADS FROM BRIGHT ROAD, AND THAT'S THE WAY PEOPLE WILL GET IN AND OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE LUXURY OF WALKWAY CONNECTION WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO THOSE THAT WANT TO ENJOY THAT WOODS AND WE SUGGEST THAT THEY DO THAT VERY PASSIVELY WOULD ENTER FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE.

AND, AND THAT'S IT.

AND THAT'S IT.

IT IS A RESERVE, NOT A PUBLIC PARK.

GREAT, I APPRECIATE THAT.

STAYING ON THIS TOPIC, I'LL JUST DIRECT A QUESTION TO, UH, TODY IS THE, UH, FERRIS, I THINK, RIGHT? FERRIS PARK, I BELIEVE IS THE NAME OF THE PARK ADJACENT TO THERE.

AND THERE'S I BELIEVE A PATH, UM, THAT GOES FROM MAYBE THAT EIGHT FOOT MIXED USE AND THEN AROUND THE, I THINK IT HISTORIC HOME THERE, IT TURNS TO A KIND OF GRAVEL, UH, LESS DEFINED PATHWAY.

DO WE KNOW OF ANY PLANS THAT THE CITY HAS TO MAKE THAT, UH, PART OF THE MIXED USE PATH? SO I'M SURE I CURRENTLY DO NOT KNOW IF CITY HAS ANY PLANS FOR THE, FOR THE PATH WITHIN THE FERRIS RIGHT PARK, BUT CITY HAS PLANS FOR THE SHARED USE PATH, WHICH EXTENDS TO THE END OF THE RIGHT ROAD, WHICH IS A CUL-DE-SAC AS A, AS A NEXT PART OR A NEXT PHASE.

IT IS ONLY PREDICTED THAT IT WOULD BE DONE FROM BILLING STREET CREEK UNTIL THE INTERSECTION OF THE RIGHT ROAD AND THE GRANNY CLIFF ROAD.

BUT THE PART THAT'S GOING TO CONNECT FROM THERE TO END OF THE RIGHT ROAD IS, UM, IS NOT DETERMINED.

THE DATA'S NOT DETERMINED YET, OR IT'S STILL IN THE WORKS, BUT YES, IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT A PART WILL BE THERE.

THE SHARED USE PATH WILL EXTEND THERE.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

OUT TO BRIGHT ROAD WHERE WE'VE, WE'LL HAVE A CROSSWALK.

CAN I FOLLOW UP? SORRY, DO YOU MIND IF I FOLLOW UP ON THOSE QUESTIONS PLEASE? BECAUSE I, SO, SO HOW, HOW DO YOUR RESIDENTS THEN GET FROM OR TO FERRIS WRIGHT PARK IF I, I WOULD ASSUME THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO GO TO THAT PARK BECAUSE IT'S A NICE PARK.

HOW ARE THEY GOING TO ACCESS IT IF THEY DON'T TAKE THAT PATH? THEY, THEY HAVE TO GO OUT ONTO MM-HMM .

DOWN THE SIDEWALK THAT IS, UH, STREET A, THAT GOES

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AND AS RAT HAD MENTIONED, THERE'S I BELIEVE PLANS OR MAYBE INITIATIVES WITHIN THE CITY TO, UH, IMPROVE THAT TRAIL ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO, UM, EXTEND THAT TRAIL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BRIGHT ROAD.

SO THERE'S, FROM THE SCHOOL ALL THE WAY TO THE PARK.

SO OUR FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY WOULD COME THROUGH THAT WALKWAY CROSS BRIGHT ROAD TO GET ON THAT MULTI-USE THAT FUTURE MULTI-USE TRAIL AND FIND THEMSELVES BOTH NORTH TO GO TO THE SCHOOL, UP TO THE HOSPITAL, TO THE, UH, UP TO THE EAST, UP TO THE HOSPITAL, TO THE WEST, DOWN TO THE PARKS AND DOWN TO THE RIVERFRONT.

I DON'T MEAN NOT TO CUT THROUGH THE WOODS.

SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THOUGH IS THAT THAT'S NOT ACCURATE.

THE CITY DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE PLANS, RIGHT? THE CITY HAS PLANS TO GO THE OTHER DIRECTION TO THE EAST WITH THE BIKE PATH IMPROVEMENT, BUT TO GO THIS WAY, THERE'S NO CURRENT PLANS TO EXTEND, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO THE CURRENT PLANS TERMINATE AT THE INTERSECTION OF DEEP RIGHT ROAD AND THE GRAND CLIFF ROAD.

SO WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION, WE HAVE TO ASSUME YOUR RESIDENCE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO GO ONTO BRIGHT ROAD TO GET TO THE PARK IF THEY WANNA GO TO, TO THE PARK.

AND, AND THAT'S, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING JUST FROM CASUAL CONVERSATION WITH STAFF AND OR KNOWS WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CASUAL CONVERSATION.

MR. GARBIN, BACK TO YOU.

SORRY.

THANKS.

NOT A PROBLEM.

UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS ON THAT.

WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S A PUBLIC AMENITY AND, AND WHAT'S A PRIVATE AMENITY.

BUT, UM, ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE SIDEWALKS.

I, I KNOW YOU'RE, UH, OPPOSED TO HAVING SIX FEET ON BOTH SIDES.

YOU DID MENTION FIVE FEET ON ONE SIDE.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN, IN YOUR PROJECT BETWEEN FIVE AND SIX FEET ON THAT ONE SIDE? WELL, THE CITY IS, UH, STAFF IS PREFERRING TO HAVE SIX FEET ON BOTH SIDES.

IT'S 12 FEET OF CONCRETE.

SEPARATES SIDEWALK ENVIRONMENT FROM ENTRANCE INTO THE HOME, THOSE ARE ALL IMPORTANT ELEMENTS THAT SPEAK TO THE CHARACTER OF THE WHOLE PLACE, NOT JUST THE ARCHITECTURAL FACADES.

UH, WE ORIGINALLY HAD PROPOSED IN, UH, WHICH I HAVE FOR THE LAST 40 SOME YEARS IN COMMUNITIES OF THIS SCALE, A SINGLE FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK.

UH, AFTER, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, WE BOLSTERED THAT UP TO FIVE FEET.

WE WANTED TO DO A FOUR FOOT WIDE BRICK PAVED SIDEWALK TO, TO, UH, AUGMENT THE CHARACTER OF THE STREETS SCAPE.

UH, IF THAT GETS BOLSTERED TO FIVE FEET, UM, THAT MAY HAVE TO BE SACRIFICED FOR CONCRETE.

JUST FROM A PURE DEVELOPMENT PERFORMANCE STANDPOINT.

SIX FEET ON BOTH SIDES REQUIRES THAT 40 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY TO EXPAND THAT IS GOING TO COST US OPEN SPACE IN THE CENTRAL COURT THAT'S GOING TO COST US DEVELOPABLE SPACE ON THE LOTS ALONG THE NORTH.

NOW YOU PROBABLY LOOK AT THIS AND SAY IT'S, IT'S 10 FEET.

IF WE GO FROM A 40 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY TO A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, IT'S ONLY 10 FEET.

WE DON'T HAVE MUCH DEVELOPMENT GROUND HERE TO BEGIN WITH.

ONCE WE TAKE THE OPEN SPACE OUT AND THE RIGHT OF WAY OUT, UH, THOSE TWO ITEMS ACCOUNT FOR 60% OF THE SITE AS YOU SEE IT TODAY.

SO, UM, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT EVERY UM, EVERY FOOT COUNTS AND, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE IMPORTANT PART.

THE IMPORTANT PART IS THE CHARACTER OF THE STREETSCAPE.

WE JUST THINK THAT'S WAY TOO MUCH CONCRETE FOR A COMMUNITY OF 20 RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

UH, IT'S UNNECESSARY.

WE'RE ALL ABOUT MOBILITY.

I'M IN THE MOBILITY BUSINESS, BUT WE JUST DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN PUD.

SO WE CAN SET THOSE STANDARDS AND YOU ALL CAN ADJUDICATE THOSE.

AND IN SOME OF THE, UM, CONCEPT OR I GUESS INSPIRATION PHOTOS, UH, ONE IN PARTICULAR, IT KIND OF SHOWED, UH, A STREET WITH NO SIDEWALKS, BUT IT WAS MAYBE OF MIXED MATERIAL LIKE A COBBLESTONE AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAYBE LOOKED LIKE, UM, I FORGET THE TERM WE'VE, WE'VE USED FOR THESE ROADWAYS LATELY THAT MAYBE ARE MORE INVITING TO PEDESTRIANS THAN CARS.

IF IT WAS A CASE LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD SEE IT SERVING A DUAL USE, BUT WHAT MATERIALS DO YOU SEE THE ROADS MADE OF? I MEAN, DO YOU EXPECT 'EM TO BE ASPHALT? ASPHALT, YEAH.

SO IT WOULD BE A STANDARD ROAD, NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING SAFE FOR, YEAH, AND THAT'S, WE'VE TALKED TO ENGINEERING AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY, VERY HELPFUL AND IN SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THIS END AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

BUT WHEN WE GET INTO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND WHEN WE GET INTO FINAL ENGINEERING, THOSE ARE DETAILED CONVERSATIONS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE WITH ENGINEERING.

YOU KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT ARE YOUR STANDARD DETAILS FOR CURBS? DOES THIS HAVE TO BE A SIX INCH STRAIGHT CURB? IS IT, COULD THIS BE A ROLL CURVE? COULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ROMANTIC AND RELAXED THAN WHAT WE SEE IN, UM, IN OUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS? AGAIN, WE LOOK UPON THIS AS BEING AN ENCLAVE, NOT A SUBDIVISION.

AND THAT'S ALL ABOUT THE SCALE OF THE PLACE.

AND WE THINK THAT EVERY LITTLE INCREMENTAL PIECE OF CURBS AND WALKS AND, UH, PUBLIC REALM, UH, FENCING THAT

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THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT, BUT IT ALL PLAYS TOGETHER.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, WE, SO YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, YOU WANTED TO SEE APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.

WHAT CONDITIONS THAT THE CITY'S PUT OUT THERE, DO YOU FIND MOST AMENABLE? I MEAN, HAVE YOU, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR A, FOR 40 FOOT FRONTAGE ON THOSE STREETS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE OPPOSED AS WELL? YEAH, AND, AND STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER SEVEN, UH, SEVEN OF THOSE CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL.

UH, THERE WE AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THOSE.

THERE ARE THREE OF THEM THAT, UH, WE DON'T NECESSARILY, ONE WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

THAT IS THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK.

UH, THE SECOND ONE WE TALKED ABOUT AS WELL.

AND THAT IS THE INTERCONNECTEDNESS OF, OF PUTTING A TRAIL THROUGH THE WEST WOOD.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING, AGAIN, WE THINK OF IT AS A RESERVE, NOT AS A PARK, UH, BECAUSE OF ITS, ITS JUXTAPOSITION TO THE LOTS.

UH, THE OTHER ONE THAT WE, UH, DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH, AND THAT'S THE 14 FOOT SIDE YARD, UH, BUILDING FACE TO BUILDING FACE.

WE HAD FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS.

INITIALLY WE INCREASED THOSE TO SIX FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS, AND NOW WE'VE GOT A SIX FOOT, BUT A CUMULATIVE 14 FOOT FROM BUILDING FACE TO BUILDING FACE.

SO AGAIN, IT'S, UH, IT JUST FOR CUSTOM HOMES, WE'RE REALLY STARTING TO, UH, RESTRICT THESE LOTS.

THESE LOTS.

MANY OF THEM ALSO HAVE TO TOPOGRAPHY.

THE ONES ON THE EAST, THE ONES ON THE WEST HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR WALKOUT CONDITIONS AND TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE, OF THE BEAUTIFUL NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.

SO AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL CUSTOM.

EACH OF THESE HOMES IS GONNA BE DESIGNED TO THE, UH, TO THE SITE.

UM, AND WE THINK THERE'S SUFFICIENT RESTRICTIONS ON EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL HOME SITES AS IT IS NOW.

SO WE'RE, THAT'S, I, THAT'S TWO FEET.

AND AGAIN, YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY THINKING IT'S TWO FEET, COME ON, BUT IT IS TWO FEET.

I APPRECIATE IT, MR. DESLER.

GOOD EVENING.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

UH, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU, OBVIOUSLY, UH, I MAY GO BACK AND FORTH WITH THE STAFF.

UM, CAN YOU GIMME AN IDEA, UM, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT IN THE, IN YOUR, IN YOUR WRITE UP ABOUT THE MASON PIERS.

CAN YOU EXPAND ON SOME OF THAT WITH THE LIGHT OF MASON PIERS AND THE TREE PLANTINGS? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

I'M, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU, UH, YOU RAISED THAT, UM, BECAUSE WE KINDA SKATED OVER THAT IN, IN THE TEXT, BUT WE, WE THINK THAT AROUND THE CENTRAL COURT AND, AND STREET A, EXCUSE ME, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR.

OH, YEAH.

UH, IT WAS JUST, THEY HAD TALKED A COUPLE TIMES WITHIN THEIR NARRATIVE ABOUT THESE MASONRY PIERS AND SOME I WOULD IMAGINE UPLIGHTING, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS SINCE IT WASN'T DISCUSSED IN THE BEGINNING.

YOU THINKING ANYTHING OR JUST YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE A STREET SIGN WITH A COUPLE OF SHRUBS? WELL, , I'M, I'M KIND OF THE ANTI, UH, SUBDIVISION SIGN GUY, SO I, I THINK AT THIS JUNCTURE THAT THE CHARACTER OF BRIGHT ROAD, I THINK IS SO ATTRACTIVE NOW.

WE THINK THAT AS PART OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THOSE FEATURES, WHICH MAY BE FREESTANDING MASONRY PIERS, MAY BE BRICK, MAY BE STONE.

AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE WE GOTTA GET INTO THE, UH, FINER GRAIN OF ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER.

AGAIN, THESE ARE CUSTOM HOMES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SET THE, THE TONE WITH THE, WITH THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.

SO WE FEEL THAT AROUND THE CENTRAL COURT AND THAT ORNAMENTAL PLANTING THAT I MADE MENTION OF EARLIER, UH, CAN GIVE THAT A SENSE OF PLACE.

ALSO, DRIVE STREET A, AS YOU COME IN OFF OF BRIGHT ROAD IN SOME RHYTHM WITH THE STREET TREES, WE MAY HAVE A SERIES OF MASONRY PIERS THAT TEND TO GUIDE YOU IN AGAIN, TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF INTIMACY AND LITERALLY PUT ARCHITECTURE ON THE STREET AT THE TERMINUS OF STREET A AS A TEASE INTO STREET B.

THIS WAS ONE OF MR. W'S COMMENTS LAST TIME AROUND THAT I APPRECIATE, AND THAT IS TO TERMINATE THAT VIEW WITH SOME, UH, MASONRY ELEMENTS, SOME ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT, CERTAINLY NOT, UH, UH, UH, IT NEEDS TO BE TASTEFULLY DONE.

PROBABLY A BIGGER BROTHER OF THE MASONRY PIERS, BUT SOME MAYBE ORNAMENTAL PLANTING OR A LOW WALL THAT, UH, DEFINES THAT T INTERSECTION.

SO YOU CAN THINK OF IT AS STREET SCAPE ORNAMENT, BUT IT'S MEANT TO, TO HAVE A STRONG CONNECTION TO ARCHITECTURE.

AND THEN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU ARE NOT PLANNING, I KNOW THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A GATED COMMUNITY, BUT IS THERE GONNA BE ANY ENTRANCE TYPE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S SOME KIND OF MASONRY PIER OR A WALL OR SOMETHING? IS THERE GONNA BE, ARE

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AND IF WE'VE GOT A WELL-DEFINED ENTRANCE INTO THIS COMMUNITY, WE'VE GOT AN EXISTING BOARD RAIL FENCE PORTIONS OF WHICH ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE REBUILT, BUT WE THINK IT'S LARGELY IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

IT'S UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY OF THE, OF THE NORWAY SPRUCE.

SO I THINK HAVING SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A TASTEFUL STREET SIGN THAT SAYS STREET A UH, IS, IS ABOUT AS, UM, BOLD AS WE WANT TO GET.

WE'RE LOOKING TO FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOT TO BE SOME, UH, EXCLUSIVE PLACE ON BRIGHT ROAD.

SO NO ENTRY WALLS.

YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT GIVING UP OWNERSHIP, I BELIEVE, OF C AND D TO THE CITY, RIGHT? THE CENTRAL COURT, RIGHT? YEP.

AND THAT BACK, THAT BACK LITTLE COURT MAY JUST HAVE SOMETHING IN IT.

I, I GUESS FROM THAT STANDPOINT, YOU'RE MAKING IT WITH THAT ASPECT TO BE PUBLIC WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE INVITING YEP.

STUFF.

ARE YOU, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT YOUR OWNERS, WHETHER THEY WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO COME IN INTO THIS? YOU'VE DESCRIBED THIS MM-HMM .

YOU SPENT TIME DESCRIBING THIS AS A HAMLET.

IT'S A UNIQUE, YOU KNOW, HUMBLE PLACE THAT'S GONNA HAVE THESE BEAUTIFUL HOMES, BUT YET YOU WANT PEOPLE JUST TO COME IN AND USE THAT CENTER AREA.

UH, WELL FIRST TO THAT CENTRAL COURT AND ALSO THE, UM, THE ONE RESERVE IN THE CUL-DE-SAC, I A, AS ENGINEERING HAS SUGGESTED, RIGHTFULLY SO IF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION ISN'T GOING TO MAINTAIN IT, WE ARE NOT, IT'S TOO FUSSY OF A LANDSCAPE AND WE WILL PAVE IT.

I GET THAT FAIR.

UM, THEY GOT ENOUGH, THEY GOT ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN IN THIS CITY.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WOULD GLADLY TAKE ON BECAUSE THEY THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THAT END OF THE, OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE CENTRAL COURT.

IT IS OUR PREFERENCE THAT WE OWN IT AND MAINTAIN IT.

UH, WE PREFER TO MAINTAIN IT.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WILL THOSE 20 FUTURE HOMEOWNERS EMBRACE THE IDEA OF GOOD NEIGHBORLINESS AND INVITING THEIR, THEIR NEIGHBORS IN? I PRAY TO GOD THEY DO.

UH, WE'VE GOT NO CONTROL OVER THAT.

WE CAN SET THAT UP FOR SUCH FROM A, UH, FROM A DIAGRAM AND A DESIGN STANDPOINT.

BUT, UH, SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH ARE HERE AND WE'VE TALKED TO NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH AS WELL, I THINK, ALL OF WHICH ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING 20 MORE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I LIKE TO THINK THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO CONGREGATE TOGETHER AND USE THAT SPACE.

WELL, THEY CAN IF THEY'RE INVITED.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

UH, HOLD THAT THOUGHT.

I'M GONNA ASK THE CITY ON THIS.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE APPLICANT WANTS, THIS IS IN PARTICULAR RELATIVE TO SEA, I BELIEVE THAT'S THAT RESERVE SPACE.

IS THE CITY OPPOSED TO HAVING THE COMMUNITY OWN IT AS ESSENTIALLY A, THEY'RE NOT OPPOSED? NO.

THE RESERVE C AND RESERVE D, RIGHT.

UH, CITY IS GOING TO OWN THAT, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE HO.

NO, NO.

I MEAN, WHAT IF, WHAT IF THE, THE HOA OWNS IT BECAUSE THEY, THE, I BELIEVE, JUST CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE APPLICANT WANTS, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD PREFER TO OWN THAT'S SURE.

C YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S LARGE AND MAINTAIN IT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

IT WAS THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE THE OWNERSHIP.

WHAT, WHAT DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN HAD IS THAT IT'S BASED ON THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE RESERVES, SINCE IT WAS CLASSIFIED AS A RESERVE CITY, UM, WILL OWN IT.

BUT THEN HAVING SAID THAT, ALL THESE FOUR RESERVES, IF YOU SEE IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, THERE IS AN OPEN, THIS IS, THIS IS A CONTINUED DISCUSSION BETWEEN, UM, US AND THE DEVELOPER AND THE APPLICANT, SORRY, TO ENSURE THAT THESE RESERVES WHEN THEY ARE OWNED BY THE CITY OR BY THE APPLICANT, UM, WE HAVE ENOUGH FINDINGS AND RESEARCH PRIOR TO THAT AND ENSURE THAT.

SO AT THIS POINT OF TIME, IT HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED THAT CITY IS GOING TO OWN IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.

UH, BUT BASED ON THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK, AND I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS OPEN AND THIS WILL GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.

MR WAY, I THINK YOU HAD ONE ITEM TO, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WITH THE APPLICANT YOUR QUESTION ABOUT ENTRY FEATURES.

ARCHITECTURAL COLLEAGUES AS WELL.

ON PAGE, THERE IS A PAGE IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL PLAN.

IT SHOWS GATEHOUSE.

IS THAT, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ENTRY FEATURE, THIS, IS THERE ANY, I'M GLAD YOU RAISED THAT.

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LOTS.

20 AND ONE ARE AT THE, ARE FLANKING THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO SOME OF OUR ORIGINAL, UH, INSPIRATION, UM, WE THOUGHT OF THE PROVERBIAL, UM, UH, PORK CASHIER OR GUARDHOUSE, SOMETHING THAT REALLY ANNOUNCES THRESHOLD THAT YOU'RE LEAVING, UH, THIS PLACE AND GOING TO THAT PLACE.

UM, PROBABLY A LITTLE TOO BOLD OF A MOVE IN OUR, IN OUR LATER ANALYSIS, BUT WE DO THINK THAT, UH, THE DESIGN, CUSTOM DESIGN OF THOSE TWO HOMES ON THOSE TWO LOTS NEED TO ADDRESS THAT INTERSECTION AND CREATE WITH LEGITIMATE ARCHITECTURE AND MAYBE WITH, UH, WITH ARCHITECTURAL WALLS AS WELL, TO CORD AN OFF A SIDE YARD OR A BACKYARD SPACE, UH, AND, AND CREATE THAT ENTRANCE FEEL WITHOUT DOING THE, DARE I SAY, THE SUBDIVISION ESQUE SIGN WALLS.

THIS IS THE ANTI, AND JUST TO QUOTE THE, THE TEXT, NO ENTRY FEATURE IS ANTICIPATED AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IN AN EFFORT TO CREATE A SEAMLESS PHYSICAL AND PRACTICAL CONNECTION TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S RIGHT.

MR. DESLER, BACK TO YOU.

YOU GOOD, KIM? YOU GOT IT.

YOU GOT NO, YOU GOOD? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

I KNOW, I, I DID SEE THAT RENDERING AND I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON IT.

SO THE HOMES THAT WILL NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS HMM.

WOULD THEY HAVE A PATH FROM LIKE THE FRONT DOOR OUT TO THE, THE CURB? THEY WILL HAVE AN ENTRANCE WALK FROM THEIR DRIVEWAY OR AUTO COURT INTO THEIR FRONT DOOR, REVERSING THAT ACTION.

THEY WILL HAVE ACCESS DOWN THEIR DRIVEWAY IF THE SIDEWALK IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

WE'VE PROVIDED FOR IN THE PLAN CONNECTING WALKWAY SO THAT YOU CAN CROSS THE STREET, GET ON A CONNECTING WALKWAY AND BE ON THE SIDEWALK.

SO YOU'RE NOT TRAIPSING THROUGH GRASS, YOU'RE NOT TRAIPSING THROUGH THE PLANTING STRIP.

YOU'RE ALWAYS ON HARD SURFACE.

AGAIN, 20 LOTS, VERY, VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICULAR.

SO FOR PEOPLE, AS I DO IN MY 18 LOT CUL-DE-SAC IN UPPER ARLINGTON, OHIO, UM, THAT SORT OF CROSSING OF THE STREET IS JUST A NON-ISSUE.

I MAY HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

I'M GONNA GO UP TO STAFF HERE.

SO THE, THE MAINTENANCE PIECE THAT ACCESS ROAD, UH, SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT DOESN'T AGREE WITH ASPHALT ON THAT, AND I WOULD IMAGINE, WHAT IS THE, HOW MANY TIMES A YEAR WOULD THE CITY HAVE TO GET ACCESS TO THAT RETENTION OVERFLOW RESERVE AREA? FOR THAT QUESTION TO ASSET ENGINEER? PAUL'S GONNA COME UP.

UH, PAUL.

A, A PATH THERE, UH, THAT, THAT IS PAVED THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, ROUTE, WHETHER IT'S A BIKE PATH OR BELIEF THAT A CAR CAN GO DOWN THERE.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, MY NAME IS JOSH REINEKE.

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW ME, I DO WORK IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, TO REVIEW THIS.

SO PAUL ASKED ME TO COME UP AND, AND ANSWER THIS ONE.

UM, THE CITY HAS A BARE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF INSPECTIONS ON ALL DETENTION BASINS WITHIN THE CITY OF ONCE A YEAR.

OBVIOUSLY ONCE A YEAR DOES NOT NECESSITATE NECESSARILY A PAVED PATH, BUT, UH, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE, THE DRY NATURE OF THE POND, UH, THAT AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE NO STANDING WATER IN IT ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, THE NEEDS FOR MAINTENANCE ON IT WILL BE HIGHER.

UH, THE OUTLET STRUCTURE WILL BE MORE, MORE LIKELY TO, UH, CLOG WITH DEBRIS FROM THE VEGETATION THAT WILL BE AROUND IT.

SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IT WILL BE MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR.

I CAN'T SAY EXACTLY HOW MANY, BUT IT WOULD BE MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR.

AND INEVITABLY THE TIME THAT YOU NEED TO DO MAINTENANCE TO IT IS THE TIME RIGHT AFTER IT'S RAINED.

SO IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT PATH WERE NOT PAVED, IT WOULD BE WET AND THEN THERE'S A CHANCE THAT IT WOULD BE MUDDY.

AND THEN IF OUR MAINTENANCE VEHICLES NEED TO GET BACK THERE, THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANCE THAT THEY WOULD THEN RUT THE GROUND THAT THEY WOULD BE DRIVING ACROSS TO GET UP THERE.

UH, THERE IS ALSO THE DRAINAGE SWALE THAT ACTUALLY THE DETENTION BASIN IS DISCHARGING INTO, UH, KIND OF IN THAT WESTERN LEG, UH, THAT WE WILL NEED SOME SORT OF CULVERTED PATH TO GET ACROSS IT.

AND AGAIN, WITH THE NATURE OF MAINTENANCE VEHICLES THAT MIGHT NEED TO GET BACK THERE, THE IDEA OF HAVING ANYTHING OTHER THAN A HARD SURFACE IS ONE THAT OUR MAINTENANCE CREWS REALLY DON'T, UH, RELISH THAT IDEA WELL.

AND I THINK THE APPLICANT BRINGS UP A, A, A CONCERN ABOUT THIS,

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IS THE CITY PROPOSING IF, IF ASPHALT IS, IS WHAT THE WAY TO GO OR ULTIMATELY IS DECIDED WHAT KIND OF SAFETY MEASURES ARE PROTECTED THERE THAT WOULD PREVENT BIKERS, WALKERS, OTHER CARS, OTHER, OTHER MOTORIZED VEHICLES FROM USING THAT? UH, THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE ARE HAVING ON A CONSTANT BASIS, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH ENVISION DUBLIN'S NEW WIDER SHARED USE PATHS.

UH, AND DISCUSSIONS HAVE INCLUDED THINGS LIKE REMOVABLE BOLLARDS, UM, WHICH I REALIZED TO THE NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE IDEAL, BUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE ONGOING.

SO I DO NOT HAVE A A SOLID ANSWER FOR YOU OTHER THAN WE ARE AWARE OF IT AND ARE INTERNALLY DISCUSSING HOW BEST TO ADDRESS THAT.

SO IS THERE, IS THERE ANOTHER OPTION BESIDES ASPHALT WHERE IT COULD BE, UM, LIKE A, LIKE A HEAVY, HEAVIER MULCHED PATH? I KNOW FOR THE GOLF TOURNAMENT THERE IN CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THERE HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, CARS DRIVEN, THERE WAS A, LIKE A HEAVY, HEAVY MULCHED PATH WHERE THEY HAD VEHICLES TRAVEL ACROSS A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT WAS USED FOR.

IS THERE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS OR IS IT YOUR, YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT IT HAD THAT IT'S A DEAL BREAKER HERE IF IT'S NOT ASPHALT.

I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR WHAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S NOT IT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YES, WE ARE STICKING WITH ASPHALT AS THE SURFACE BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE NATURE OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THE DETENTION BASIN.

CITY OF REC AND PARKS WILL THEN BE MAINTAINING THIS RESERVE.

THEIR PREFERENCE, IT'S NOT JUST ENGINEERING.

THEIR PREFERENCE IS ALSO TO HAVE A HARD SURFACE BECAUSE FOR THEM, THAT IS AN EASIER SURFACE TO MAINTAIN.

IT DOESN'T GET WASHED OUT WHEN IT RAINS.

IT DOESN'T MOVE OVER TIME BECAUSE AGAIN, IT IS THAT, THAT HARD SURFACE.

SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A HARD SURFACE.

WHAT ABOUT THE WIDTH? THE WIDTH WE'VE DETERMINED IS WHAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO, AGAIN, GET A MAINTENANCE VEHICLE BACK THERE.

THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE A MAINTENANCE VEHICLE MAY BE SOMETHING AS SMALL AS A, YOU KNOW, A SIDE-BY-SIDE GATOR OR A PICKUP TRUCK, OR IN THE EVENT THAT WE NEEDED TO ACCESS THAT DETENTION BASIN TO TRULY PERFORM MAINTENANCE ON IT OF A HEAVIER NATURE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET A, A LARGER, HEAVIER VEHICLE BACK THERE.

AND AGAIN, IF WE GET MUCH NARROWER THAN WHAT WE'VE CURRENTLY, UH, PUT INTO THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, YOU RUN THE RISK OF HAVING THAT VEHICLE NOT BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE THAT AS, AS SMOOTHLY.

AND THEN AGAIN, YOU GET THE RUNNING OFF TO THE SIDE OR THE POTENTIAL WORSE FOR, UH, A MAINTENANCE VEHICLE TO GET STUCK.

MIS, MR. DELA, CAN I ASK ONE? SURE.

ARE WE ASKING ANYTHING OF THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION THAT WE WOULD NOT ASK OF ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT, UM, SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

THAT'S, THAT'S COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT HERE.

SO WHAT CITY'S SAYING IS THEY HAVE TO HAVE ASPHALT.

I, AND IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE UP TO YOU TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER IDEAS? I DO.

BASED ON, OKAY.

SO WHAT, SO WHAT ELSE DO YOU THINK, I'M SURE YOU'VE DONE YOUR OWN ENGINEERING GAME GAME PLAN, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

OUR, UM, MOST RECENT SUGGESTION WAS, AND, AND I AGREE WITH ALL OF JOSH'S POINTS, WHEN WHEN MAINTENANCE VEHICLES HAVE GOTTA GET BACK THERE.

WE CAN'T GET THEM STUCK IN THE MUD AND SLIDING INTO TREES AND DOING DAMAGE BACK THERE.

WHAT WE HAD PROPOSED WAS TO, AGAIN, SURGICALLY ALIGN A PATH THROUGH THE TREES.

SO WE'RE MISSING BIG TREES AND WE'RE NOT CUTTING DOWN ANYTHING THAT IS GREATER THAN UNDERSTORY COMPACT.

THAT SUBGRADE PUT IN A COMPACTED AGGREGATE 3 0 4 AGGREGATE BASE COURSE OF SUFFICIENT WIDTH AND OF SUFFICIENT STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY TO HOLD A VEHICLE AND CROWN SUCH THAT IT DRAINS GRADED SUCH THAT IT DRAINS JOSH IS RIGHT.

THERE'S A WATERCOURSE THERE THAT HAS TO BE CROSSED REGARDLESS.

SO WE PUT IN A CULVERT PIPE, WE EXTEND ITS ENDS, AND WE PUT THAT PAVED AGGREGATE SURFACE OVER THE TOP OF IT, AND THAT PROVIDES THE SAME LEVEL OF VEHICLE ACCESS THAT A PAVED SURFACE DOES.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A MULTI-USE TRAIL THOUGH, AND IT DOESN'T INVITE, UH, BICYCLISTS AND DARE I SAY, EVEN AUTOMOBILE DRIVERS TO GO BACK INTO THAT SPACE.

CERTAINLY WE NEED TO GIVE ACCESS TO MAINTENANCE CREWS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE ASPHALT PAVED.

IT NEEDS TO BE PROPERLY CONSTRUCTED.

MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, BUT NOT ASPHALT

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PAVED.

BUT THAT'S MY OPINION.

GOING BACK TO CITY ENGINEER, UM, PERSPECTIVE ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL, IT WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.

I'M NOT GONNA STAND HERE TONIGHT AND PROVIDE AN ANSWER, BUT ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.

HAPPY TO DO, COULD BE, HAD, HAPPY TO DO.

ENGINEERING HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND COLLABORATIVE, SO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP TO THIS TOPIC? SORRY.

YEAH, PLEASE DO I GO THROUGH, I, I TABLED MS. HARDER, SO IF WE CAN FINISH WITH MR. DESLER.

WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH.

SORRY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I GET MY, I GOT MY NOTES HERE.

UM, THIS IS BACK TO THE CITY ON THIS.

UM, CAN YOU GIMME AN IDEA ON THE LOT? 2 5 2 5 AND 13 AGAIN, YOU BROUGHT UP THAT ONE, UH, PICTURE THAT WAS IN THE, IN YOUR REPORT.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ABOUT WHAT, WHAT YOUR REQUEST IS HERE.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE, THE O THE, THE LOT, UH, FRONTAGE.

THE FRONTAGE, THANK YOU.

DAN , UH, THAT IS ON THE STREET.

IS IS TOO NARROW.

IS THAT FAIR? CORRECT.

SO LOT 2, 5, 10, AND 13.

THEY ARE INSIDE CORNER LOTS.

THE WIDTHS VARY FROM 29 FEET TO 43 FOR LOT 10.

IT'S 43.

43 IS STILL AN ACCEPTABLE WIDTH, UM, FOR THAT, UM, FOR THAT LOT.

BUT FOR THE OTHER LOTS, THE WIDTHS ARE TOO NARROW GIVEN THEY'RE 29 FEET.

UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH THE DRIVEWAY, WITH THE FRONT LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS A VERY, VERY ESSENTIAL PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THERE WILL BE UNIQUE LANDSCAPING WITH FENCES AND EVERYTHING IN THE FRONT FOR 29 FEET.

IT LIMITS THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION, IT LIMITS THE FRONT LANDSCAPING.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 40 FEET TO ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY FOR, UM, LANDSCAPING FEATURES.

AND I WANNA BE CLEAR, I THINK 'CAUSE UH, MR. GARVIN HAD ASKED WHAT, UH, WHAT CONDITIONS THAT YOU WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO, AND IT SOUNDS AS IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE THEN ALTERING THE LOT LINES ON THOSE LOTS TO COMPENSATE FOR SOME OF THE, THE WIDTH THERE.

IS THAT FAIR? I, I, I AM.

THAT SAID, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY.

SO WHY DON'T YOU THINK IT'S NECESSARY? AGAIN, AGAIN, THESE ARE CUSTOM HOMES ON VERY UNIQUE LOTS.

ONE TO THE OTHER, UH, RATTI IS CORRECT ON LOT TWO AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT CONFIGURATION IS VERY PRESCRIPTIVE AS TO WHERE THE DRIVEWAY COMES IN, WHETHER THAT'S 25 FEET WIDE OR 40 FEET WIDE, THAT'S WHERE THE DRIVEWAY'S COMING IN.

SO I'M NOT SO SURE JUST GIVING MORE WIDTH IS NECESSARILY GOING TO GIVE US ANY MORE FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE THESE ARE GOING TO BE, ESPECIALLY THOSE CORNER LOTS BY DEFINITION.

THOSE ARE ODD GEOMETRY AND IT IS IN EVERY SUBDIVISION IN AMERICA.

SO I THINK THAT WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, ADJUST THOSE LOT LINES TO MEET A NUMBER, BUT I DON'T THINK AS A PRACTICAL MATTER IT'S GONNA MAKE, UH, UH, ANY DIFFERENCE TO HOW WE CITE THE HOME.

JUST MAKE SURE, OKAY, I'M GONNA PASS, BUT I MAY HAVE MORE.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.

JUST LET ME KNOW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. ALEXANDER.

I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

RODDY, I'M ASSUMING, BECAUSE JASON'S QUESTION, I ASSUME THE REASON YOU WANT 40 FEET IS SO THE FRONTS OF HOUSES CAN FACE THE STREET.

EXACTLY.

SO WHEN THE RIGHT OF THE WIDTH, THE RIGHT OF THE WAY IS ALSO 40 FEET AND PER NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, A VARIATION OF THE WIDTH IS REQUIRED, UM, FOR THE STREETS SCAPE OR FOR A VARIETY OF THE STREETS.

SCAPE HAVING TOO NARROW OR TOO WIDE LOT SIZE WILL, WILL BE NOT ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT.

SO TO ENSURE THAT THAT LOT WIDTH IS DOES NOT VARY FROM 29 TO 80 OR 90 FEET.

THIS IS WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDED.

SO YOU CAN HAVE A CONSISTENT FRONTAGE.

A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

THE, THE SIX FOOT WIDTH, MY UNDERSTANDING, I THINK KNOWING CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN WE WENT TO SIX FEET, IT WAS TO FACILITATE GREATER PASSAGE OF TWO PEOPLE ON A WALK, RIGHT? CORRECT.

BUT DO WE EVER EVALUATE OUR CODES BASED ON THE SIZE AND SCALE OF A PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT? I, UM, WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO BAAM BAAM.

DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I DO NOT HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE IN THAT FOR THIS POINT.

IT'S A STANDARD FOR ALL DIVISIONS.

THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW.

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THEN.

AND, AND WE'LL TALK MORE MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET INTO DELIBERATIONS, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

THE OTHER QUESTION IS IN, IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, YOU MENTIONED THE, UH, THE TREE LAWN OF EIGHT FEET.

UM, BUT YOU'RE OKAY, THE STAFF'S OKAY WITH REDUCED TREE LAWN AS LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO THE CODE REQUIRES FIVE FEET WIDE TREE LAWN, EVEN THOUGH ENVISION DUBLIN RECOMMENDS EIGHT FEET STAFF IS, UM, COMFORTABLE WITH FIVE FOOT TREE LAWN, AS LONG AS IT IS CONTINUOUS AND IT IS, UM, AT A CONSTANT WIND THROUGHOUT.

A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR MR. KINSMAN.

UH, EASY ONES.

I THINK YOUR EARLIER PROPOSAL SHOWED A PATH.

THE LANDSCAPE IS REALLY WELL DEVELOPED TOWARDS THE WEST, BUT IT SHOWED A PATH FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC GOING DOWN INTO, UM, THE RESERVE TO THE EAST.

IS THAT, IS THAT STILL CONTEMPLATED? NO.

AND, UH, NO.

NO, IT DOES NOT.

IT, IT, UM, AT ONE TIME WE THOUGHT OF HAVING SOFT SURFACE PATHS, QUITE FRANKLY, MATCHING THE, UM, THE DIRT PATHS THAT PEOPLE HAVE CREATED IN THOSE WOODS, LITERALLY USING BARK MULCH, UM, JUST TO KEEP PEOPLE'S FEET DRY.

HOWEVER, WE DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT AGAIN, TO THE SENSITIVITY, NOT JUST OF THE WOOD LOTS, BUT THE FACT THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS.

NOT JUST OUR BACKYARDS, BUT OUR NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARDS.

SO WE DETERMINED WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO ENCOURAGE EVEN PEOPLE OUT THERE TAKING A WALK THROUGH BILLINGSLEY RUN WOODS.

WILL PEOPLE DO THAT? WILL PEOPLE GO WALK THEIR DOG BACK THERE? WILL OUR NEIGHBORS USE IT AS THEIR DEFACTO BACKYARD? PROBABLY.

IS THAT THE END OF THE WORLD? NO, BUT WE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE IT.

SO WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY TRAILS PER SE IN EITHER OF THOSE AREAS.

YOU HAVE SOME PRETTY ELABORATE, UM, LANDSCAPE, OTHER LOCATIONS.

WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CUL-DE-SAC ITSELF? IN, IN THE, IN THE CENTRAL COURT.

IN THE CENTRAL, YEAH.

HOW'S THAT BEING? WELL, A A AGAIN, OUR, OUR INITIAL THOUGHT WAS THAT WE WOULD USE THAT AS SOME STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, BUT BASED ON SOME COMMENTS WE HEARD HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE FELT IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO CELEBRATE THAT AS OPEN SPACE, PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, USABLE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE.

COULD KIDS GO OUT THERE AND KICK A SOCCER BALL? YEAH, PROBABLY.

WILL THEY? YEAH.

IT DEPENDS ON THE POPULATION OF THE PLACE, BUT WE THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO GIVE ALL OF THOSE LOTS THAT ARE SURROUNDING THAT TOUCH THAT EIGHT OR SEVEN OR EIGHT OF THEM THE, UM, THE LUXURY OF HAVING THAT SPACE, THAT GREEN SPACE IN THEIR FRONT YARD.

SECONDLY, WHEN WE GET TO, TO DEALING MEETING WITH JOSH, AS WE GET INTO FINAL ENGINEERING, WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS OF, OF CURBING, AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE RADII, UM, AND CURB CUTS AND WALKWAYS, AND THEN THE PLANTING AND THE MASONRY PIERS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

SO REALLY FINE TUNE DESIGNING THAT CENTRAL PARK.

AGAIN, WE'RE A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SO I APOLOGIZE, WE JUST HAVEN'T DEVELOPED THAT.

BUT THOSE ARE THE VOICES I HAVE IN MY HEAD.

AND I WAS ALSO REFERRING TO AT THE VERY END OF THE TERMINUS.

THAT, THAT IS, UM, I, I I GUESS FOR ALL THE MAINTENANCE REASONS MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, IF THIS WERE A CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD SIMPLY BE PAVED, THAT WOULD JUST BE A BIG CONCRETE OR ASPHALT BULB.

WE THINK IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED THAT INTERIOR CIRCUMFERENCE.

WE NEED THE EXTERIOR CIRCUMFERENCE THAT WE CREATE SOME SEMBLANCE OF A PLANTING OR A GARDENER.

IS IT GONNA BE ELABORATE? NO.

PROBABLY A SERIES OF ORNAMENTAL TREES.

IT MAY BE THE SAME VOCABULARY AS WE HAVE IN THE CENTRAL COURT, BUT WE CARRY IT OVER THERE.

A LITTLE BROTHER THERE TOO.

BUT IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE USABLE SPACE.

IT'S MEANT TO BE ORNAMENTAL SPACE.

UM, I DO KNOW THAT THE PLANTS ALONG THAT EDGE, THE NORTH EDGE, UM, ARE GOING TO NEED SOME BOLSTERING.

WITH INDIGENOUS PLANTS, BY THE WAY.

ALRIGHT, THANKS.

THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER.

MR. WE THANK YOU.

UM, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

UM, THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT THE NORTHERN BUFFER AND WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON GETTING THAT TO A SITUATION WHERE THEY WERE HAPPY WITH IT.

HAVE, HAVE, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE, UH, I TH ENGAGEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORS? I THINK ONE OR TWO OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE HERE, AND YOU'LL HEAR FROM THEM.

WE, UH, WE MET WITH THE FOLKS JUST TO THE NORTH OF LOT 10.

UH, IT WAS WARM, WARM WEATHER DAYS.

UH, THEY WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO, UM, HOST US ON THEIR PATIO.

UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO MEET AGAIN WITH THOSE FOLKS.

WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE PLANTING PLAN, THAT PARTICULAR LOT, THERE ARE SOME, DARE I SAY, SOME HOLES IN THE, UM, IN THE, UH, FENCE ROW.

WE'VE GOT PLANT A WHOLE LOT OF PLANT MATERIAL AND WE'RE GONNA SATISFY THOSE NEIGHBORS.

DO YOU WANT ME TO FILL THAT HOLE OR DO YOU LIKE THAT VISUAL OPENING TO THE STREAM CORRIDOR?

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WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT MULTI-GENERATIONAL PLANTS, BECAUSE THOSE GUYS AREN'T GONNA BE THERE FOREVER.

SO WE'RE GONNA PLANT A WHOLE VARIETY OF STOCK, INDIGENOUS STOCK.

NOT THE, UH, NECESSARILY THE EVERGREENS OR THE, UH, THE EXOTICS, BUT INDIGENOUS PLANTS.

GREAT.

UM, I WAS A LITTLE BIT, I WAS CURIOUS BY THE CUL-DE-SAC.

THERE'S THIS DOTTED KIND OF PATTERN THAT I THINK IS IDENTIFYING THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE CUL-DE-SACS IN THAT.

I WONDER IF YOU COULD CLARIFY WHAT THAT IS SYMBOLIZING AND HOW IT'S BEING ADDRESSED.

UH, I'M, I'M SORRY, KIM, ON PAGE 11, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? I'M NOT SURE I HEARD YOU.

SO THERE'S A, ON THE PAGE 11 DOWN BY THE CUL-DE-SAC, THERE'S A, THERE IS FLOODPLAIN IN THERE.

AND THERE'S A PATTERN SHOWN AND THE CUL-DE-SAC GOES INTO THAT PATTERN.

AND I JUST WAS CURIOUS, IS THAT, IS THAT FLOODPLAIN OR IS IT FRINGE? NO.

IS IT BEING MITIGATED? YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOT FLOODPLAIN.

THE CUL-DE-SAC IS OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.

A PORTION OF THE SIDE YARD OF THAT LOT THAT END A LOT IS IN FACT IN A FLOODPLAIN.

SO THOSE FOLKS WILL, BECAUSE THE TOPOGRAPHY DROPS OFF THERE.

SO THE PAT, WHAT DOES THE PATTERN THEN SYMBOLIZE? UM, THAT IS PROBABLY, I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK MY ENGINEER.

THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A FLOOD PROTECTION ZONE STREAM CORRIDOR.

, SORRY, I'LL VOLUNTEER TO TAKE THAT ONE.

UM, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF FLOODPLAIN MM-HMM .

THAT ARE SHOWN OUT THERE.

UH, FEMA DESIGNATES ZONE AE, WHICH IS A DETAILED FLOOD ZONE, WHICH MEANS THEY'VE DEVELOPED ELEVATIONS TO GO WITH THE, THE, THE HORIZONTAL BOUNDARY.

AND THEN THERE'S A ZONE A, WHICH IS LITERALLY JUST APPROXIMATE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE SHADING.

THERE IS THE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE ZONE A, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT GOES ALONG THE NORTH, GOES TO THE NORTH UP ALONG LOTS 13 AND OR 12 AND WHATEVER THE LOTS ARE, THEY'RE ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY.

AND THEN BILLINGSLEY CREEK ON THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER IS A ZONE AE WHERE FEMA HAS DONE ADDITIONAL STUDY TO DEVELOP MORE DETAILED INFORMATION.

SO THAT'S A PART OF THE FLOOD PLATE THAT IT DOES NOT IMPACT WHAT'S SHOWN ON THIS PLAN.

IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T, IT'S JUST SHOWING THAT IT'S IN THAT ZONE.

GREAT.

MS. CAN, CAN YOU PROJECT PAGE 11 JUST SO WE CAN SEE? SO I, I, I ALSO WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WITH THAT EXPLANATION, THE LOT 13.

ISN'T, IT'S ONLY IN THE DOTTED AREA.

SO IS THAT ACTUALLY THE EXISTING TREE PRESERVATION ZONE? I GUESS THAT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE ROAD THROUGH IT.

SO, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER THE COMMENT ABOUT 13 IS IN THAT FLOOD AREA, IF WE UNDERSTOOD THAT.

WITH I WILL, I WILL RETRACT SEEING THIS EXHIBIT.

I WAS LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT ONE BEFORE I STOOD UP.

UM, THE BUILDING PAD AREA AS SHOWN ON LOT 13 IS OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN.

THE FLOODPLAIN BOUNDARY IS THE DARK LINE.

THE, THE HATCHED AREA IS INDEED SOMETHING ELSE.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ONE IS.

I APOLOGIZE.

OH, SO IT'S, OKAY.

SO , IT STANDS, IT STANDS OUT IN RELATIONSHIP TO CUL-DE-SAC AND THAT LOT.

AND THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

WHAT'S IT TRYING TO SHOW ME? TELL ME.

500.

A QUESTION ABOUT THE BASIN AND THAT KIND OF LED ME A LITTLE BIT TO THE, UM, RESERVE A AS, AND LET'S TAKE THEM SEPARATELY 'CAUSE THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO, UM, NOTE THAT WE WILL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT.

UM, UH, UM, TRULY APOLOGIZE, CLARIFICATION WAS GIVEN.

THERE IS A 500 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN SHOWN AS WELL.

AND IT THAT MAY VERY WELL BE THE 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN.

SO FEMA AGAIN WILL BE BRIEF FIVE.

FEMA DOES DESIGNATE A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND A 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN.

THE 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN IS NOT CONSIDERED REGULATORY.

THEY SHOW IT, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S, IT'S SIMPLY INFORMATION THAT IS BEING PROVIDED, BUT WE WILL SEE ADDITIONAL DETAIL AT A LATER PHASE OF THE PROJECT.

AND IT WILL BE CLEAR ON THE DRAWINGS AND, AND NOTING THAT FEMA'S REVISITING THAT WHOLE 100 500 BECAUSE IT'S ALL BEEN THROWN OUT THE WINDOW BY RECENT STORMS. SO JUST, JUST SAYING THAT, UM, OKAY.

MORE INFORMATION COMING, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO DWELL ON IT.

UM, I HAD

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ARE YOU DOING ANY KIND OF, LIKE, IS THERE ANY KIND OF, UM, RIPARIAN EDGE REQUIREMENTS ALONG THE STREAM? LIKE IS THERE, IS THAT JUST LIKE, DON'T TOUCH IT OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO, UM, MITIGATE ANYTHING? YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT WE'RE JOSH TALKED ABOUT THAT YOUR MICROPHONE.

YEAH, I'M SORRY.

UM, THAT'S THE BEST I'VE SOUNDED ALL NIGHT.

UM, I, AS JOSH AND I HAVE TALKED, I THINK THERE'LL BE SOME, UH, SOME RIP WRAP, SOME EROSION EROSION PROTECTION AS WE DISCHARGE INTO THAT CREEK.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A SWALE.

THERE ISN'T MUCH DEFINITION TO THAT.

THAT GOES THROUGH THE BACKYARDS MOVING THAT AWAY.

NOW, UM, BILLINGSLEY RUN AS IT CROSSES UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE AND GOES TO THE SOUTH, UM, IS, IS IN FACT A LEGITIMATE DEFINED CREEK BED.

AND IT GOES THROUGH THOSE FOLKS FRONT YARDS THAT LIVE, UH, ON GRANDY CLIFFS.

SO IT'S NOT, IT'S MORE OF A DRAW KIM.

SO THERE'S NOT A NEED TO DO ANYTHING THERE.

UM, I JUST SPENT A LOT OF TIME ALONG INDIAN RUN AND WATCH HOW THAT CREEK KIND OF EBBS AND FLOWS.

SO, UM, IT COULD USE SOME HELP.

UM, THE RETENTION BASIN, UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT IT BEING VEGETATED.

IS THAT JUST TREE? I MEAN, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE JUST SHOWING TREES, BUT I KNOW THIS IS CONCEPTUAL.

ARE ARE YOU THINKING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE TO TREAT THAT AS A, A WETLAND TYPE OF LOW, LOW LEVEL PLANTING IN ADDITION TO TREES? NOT, NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A WETLAND IN THAT.

I THINK IF WE DO OUR JOBS RIGHT, IT'LL DRAIN.

UM, AND, AND WE'LL PROBABLY EVEN PUT SOME SUBSURFACE DRAINAGE TO MAKE SURE THE BOTTOM OF THAT BASIN DRAINS AS, AS RAINWATER DISSIPATES.

BUT I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, DARE I SAY, KIND OF SCULPT THE EDGE BOTH HORIZONTALLY AND VERTICALLY.

SO AGAIN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, UM, A, A A, A BRANCH BANK AT A, UH, AT A STRIP CENTER.

UM, AND VEGETATE THE BOTTOM WITH WHAT I'M NOT QUITE SURE YET.

WE'VE DONE VERY ELABORATE PLANS.

I'M SURE YOU HAVE TOO.

VERY ELABORATE PLANTING PLANS FOR THE BOTTOM OF THOSE DETENTION BASINS SO THAT THEY ARE, UH, MORE GARDEN ESQUE THAN THEY ARE UTILITARIAN.

WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN IT.

WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE HOLD THE PROPER QUANTITY.

WHATEVER WE PUT IN THERE HAS GOT TO HAVE WET FEET FROM TIME TO TIME AND VERY, VERY DRY FEET.

'CAUSE THOSE DETENTION BASINS GET BONE DRY.

THEY DON'T STAY WET.

THEY GET VERY DRY AND THEY STAY DRY.

SO I THINK IT, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN SOME CANOPY, SO WE PUT IT BACK INTO SHADOW, WHICH IT IS NOW.

AND THEN ALSO HAVE SOME, UH, MIDDLE SCALE AND LOW SCALE SHRUB PLANTINGS, ORNAMENTAL TREES.

IT'S, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF, YOU'RE BUILDING IT IN A WOODED SETTING VERSUS THERE'S ONE ON BRAND ROAD THAT'S A BASIN THAT TOTALLY PLANTED WITH TREES AND, BUT IT'S ALL, IT'S BASICALLY OUT IN THE OPEN.

RIGHT.

IT WAS A FIELD OR SOMETHING.

SO JOSH AND I ARE GONNA BE VERY PROUD OF THIS WHEN WE'RE ALL DONE.

OKAY, GREAT.

THAT'S ALL I HAD.

THANK YOU, MR. MAY MS. HARDER.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS, UH, FIRST FOR THE CITY.

SO, UM, YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE IN CHARGE OF THE, UM, BASIN, I'M HEARING THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT WOULD BE EVEN LIKE MOWING IT AND KEEPING UP WITH IT IN THAT REGARD TOO? CORRECT.

AND THEN, UH, SO THAT WOULDN'T BE AN HOA, UM, OPPORTUNITY, OBLIGATION, YOU WOULD MOW IT, COME TAKE CARE OF IT THAT WAY.

ALL OF THIS.

AND THEN WITH THE SIDEWALKS, UM, I, I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION FOR BOTH OF YOU TOO, IS WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS THE SIX FEET BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO STROLL THEIR KIDS AND WALK SIDE BY SIDE.

AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT KINDA LEADS TO THAT MM-HMM .

UM, SO DO YOU THINK, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THEY WERE SMALLER, YOU MIGHT USE BRICK TO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SIDEWALKS HEARING THAT IF IT'S ON ONE SIDE AND IT'S SIX FEET, IT WON'T BE THAT PRODUCT.

IS THAT? I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

CITY LIKES TO MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE CITY MAINTAINED.

AND THEN, UM, HAVE YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BRICK? SAY YOU, YOU DO GET TO THAT POINT.

I KNOW WHEN THEY START TO COME UP IN NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY HAVE TO BE FIXED MM-HMM .

UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE, UM, RESPONSIBLE FOR? I'M SURE THAT'LL BE PART OF OUR NEGOTIATIONS AS TO WHAT THOSE MATERIALS ARE AND WHO ULTIMATELY MAINTAINS THAT OVER TIME.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND PROBABLY WE'LL BE DISCUSSING MORE PRIOR TO FTP, UH, WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN AND IF CITY'S GOING TO MAINTAIN, USUALLY

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UH, DOES THE CITY MAINTAIN BRICK, UM, SIDEWALKS ANY PLACE ELSE? MM-HMM .

HISTORIC DISTRICT PUBLIC.

THANK YOU, MS. HARDER.

MR. CHINOOK, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, WE'RE GONNA, UH, UH, I'LL HIT THE PATH.

I GUESS.

SO, UM, ONE OF MY COMMENTS THOUGH THAT, OR ONE OF MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU WAS TO SAY, YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT WANTING TO BE OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND, AND THERE'S LIKE A SENSE OF EXCLUSIVITY AS WELL.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, AS YOU'RE PRESENTING AND BEING A LITTLE MIXED BAG THERE.

SO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS THOUGH, AS YOU SAY, YOU WANNA BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, UM, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS MORE BEING PART OF THE COMMUNITY BY PUTTING IN A BIKE PATH THAT HAS ACCESS TO YOUR PARKS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

SO PUTTING A PAVED BIKE PATH THROUGH RESERVE A IN YOUR COMMUNITY SEEMS TO BE THE ONE THING IN DUBLIN THAT SAYS, WE WANNA BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND NOT DOING THAT SAYS THE OPPOSITE.

SAYS, WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PATHS THAT DON'T REALLY TAKE YOU ANYWHERE.

WE'RE GONNA JUST KEEP EVERYBODY INSIDE OR COMMUNITY.

CAN YOU KIND OF TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YEAH.

WHERE YOU ARE WITH THAT? YEAH.

OH, OH, I'VE, WE'VE HAD THAT INTERNAL DEBATE.

UM, FIRST ABOUT THE EXCLUSIVITY.

UH, THE FACT THAT THIS IS AN INFILL SITE THAT'S WOODED ON THE PERIMETER ALMOST BY DEFINITION IT'S, IT'S EXCLUDED FROM THE COMMUNITY.

UM, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SITE, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT IT HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT CORDONED OFF VISUALLY FOR A LONG TIME.

UH, THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A GATE, THE FACT THAT IT ISN'T PRIVATE STREETS, THE FACT THAT IT ISN'T GOING TO LITERALLY HAVE A GATED, A GATEHOUSE TO IT.

UH, AND, AND WE'VE GOT THESE FINE NEIGHBORS, UH, ALL AROUND US THAT HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING MORE NEIGHBORS.

I LIKE TO THINK THAT SOCIALLY THAT EXCLUSIVITY IS, IS NON-EXISTENT BY THE VERY PRICE POINT OF THESE.

I THINK THESE ARE GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE HOMES.

UM, DOES THAT DISTINGUISH ITSELF FROM THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? EH, NOT SO SURE.

THERE ARE SOME PRETTY HIGH-END, UM, NICE HOMES ADJACENT TO US AS WELL.

UH, THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE CUSTOMERS THAT BUY THESE, BUY THESE LOTS AND DEVELOP THESE HOMES TO THE BIKE TRAIL.

AGAIN, IF THIS DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE BIKE TRAIL, WE'VE GOT A VERY LOW POPULATION.

WE'VE CONSIDERED THAT ANYBODY HAS A BIKE OR A SCOOTER IS LIKELY GOING TO USE THAT STREET BECAUSE THERE IS VIRTUALLY NO, THERE IS VERY, VERY LITTLE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

THE ONLY PLACE THEY HAVE TO GO IS TO A TRAIL THAT HERE, TWO FOUR DOESN'T EXIST ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BRIGHT ROAD.

THERE'S REALLY NO PLACE TO GO OTHER THAN TWO BRIGHT ROAD.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS, A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHO TODAY ARE OUT WALKING THEIR DOGS DOWN BRIGHT ROAD AND GOING DOWN TO THE, TO THE RIVER AND TO THE PARK.

UM, SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE.

WE'LL HAVE CONNECTIVITY FOR BICYCLES.

I HOPE.

WE'VE GOT A BIKE TRAIL THAT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BRIGHT ROAD SOMEDAY, AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO PROVIDING THOSE CROSSWALKS TO GET TO IT.

IF WE WEREN'T TAKING A PATHWAY, A BIKE PATH, A MULTI-USE TRAIL THROUGH THAT SENSITIVE GROUND IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.

WE'D BE ALL FOR IT.

BUT IT'S A WOODLOT WE'RE TAKING OUT MORE TREES THAN WE CARE TO ALREADY.

WE WANNA BE AS SENSITIVE TO IT AS POSSIBLE, AND WE ARE IN BACKYARDS, SO WE JUST DON'T WANNA PUT CIRCULATION IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS.

WE DO HAVE A PRECEDENT, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, FOR UH, UH, NONACTIVATED RESERVE SPACE IN DUBLIN.

AND, AND THAT IS, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK WE, WE WOULD FALL BACK ON.

THIS IS A RESERVE, NOT A PARK.

AND I THINK WE DO HAVE SUFFICIENT PEDESTRIAN BIKE CIRCULATION CONNECTION, ONE MAN'S OPINION.

AND THEN THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THAT'S HELPFUL.

SO ALONG THE SAME LINES THEN, DID THE, YOU TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND THE ARCHITECTURE HERE.

UM, AND I'M VERY ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT FARMHOUSE GOTHIC MEANS, BUT WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.

UH, BUT THE ARCHITECTURE HERE, DOES IT, DO YOU THINK IT FITS IN WITH THE, THIS THE BIGGER NEIGHBORHOOD, THE BRIGHT ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD, THE WHOLE AREA? I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUSLY VERY NICE.

DON'T AT ME WRONG.

TELL, TAYLOR MAY FEEL DIFFERENTLY.

I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT, BUT DOES IT, AS YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FITTING IN WITH THE FABRIC OF THE AREA, DO YOU, DO YOU THINK IT FITS? YEAH, I, I, I THINK IT FITS IN THAT THIS IS A MULTI-GENERATIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

SOME OF THIS DEVELOPED IN THE TOWNSHIP YEARS AND YEARS AGO, AND IT'S 1960S HOUSING STOCK.

WE'VE GOT SOME 1980S AND NINETIES HOUSING STOCK TO THE NORTH.

SO WE'RE THE NEXT GENERATION OF DEVELOPMENT TO COME ALONG.

THERE'S NO PREVAILING, AS BEST I COULD

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THERE'S NO PREVAILING ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IN THIS WHOLE DISTRICT.

SO I, WHAT WE'RE FALLING BACK ON IS DO WHATEVER WE DO IS HIGH QUALITY.

IT'S, IT'S OF A MATERIALS PALETTE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS.

IT'S PROPERLY PROPORTION, IT'S PROPERLY DESIGNED, IT'S GOT THE RIGHT MATERIAL.

IT'S NOT, STYLISTIC ISN'T MEANT TO BLEND IN WITH, WITH THE FOLKS TO THE SOUTH.

IT'S MEANT TO COMPLIMENT.

SO I'VE GOT NO PROBLEMS WITH THIS.

MAYBE IT'S THE HIGH PRICE SPREAD, BUT IT'S ONLY GONNA BE RAISING, I THINK PEOPLE'S HOME VALUES ADJACENT TO US AS WELL.

I THINK THAT'S, YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURE.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS YOUR TAKE ON THAT.

AND THEN ONE FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU.

SO WE, WHEN YOU, WITHOUT HAVING, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF MISSING FROM OUR DOCUMENTS, LIKE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE GONNA BE, WE HAVE THE, THE BLOCKS I GUESS HERE, AND WE'RE TALKING EASEMENTS AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS, THIS IS GONNA FEEL, HOW ARE THOSE SITE, I MEAN THE, THE BLOCKS YOU SHOW THE RECTANGLES, YOU SHOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THOSE.

IS THAT, I MEAN, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO, CAN CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT ON HOW SENSE OF SCALE YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

THE SENSE OF SCALE FOR THAT.

FIRST OFF, THE RECTANGLES ON THESE ENGINEERING PLANS ARE SIMPLY TO CONNOTE THAT A BUILDING GOES IN HERE SOMEPLACE.

THAT'S NOT A FLOOR PLAN.

BUT I, I TAKE YOUR POINT.

AND WE PLACED IT SO WE COULD UNDERSTAND HOW DRIVEWAYS MAY COME IN.

ARE THEY GONNA COME IN ON THIS SIDE OR THIS SIDE? THEY CAN COME IN ON EITHER SIDE.

UM, SO THOSE ARE MORE BUILDING PADS THAN BUILDING FOOTPRINTS.

SECONDLY, I'VE TAKEN THE SMALLEST LOT AND WITHIN THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE SETBACKS HAVE LAID OUT A HOME SITE, THREE CAR GARAGE WITH SUFFICIENT AND, UH, CODE COMPLIANT PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.

AND I CAN GET A 5,000 TO 5,500 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY HOME.

AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN COUNT SOME OF THE WALKOUT CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE ON THE EAST AND THE WEST.

SO I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS, THAT WE'VE GOT, SOME OF THESE LOTS ARE MORE MODEST THAN OTHERS AND THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE MORE MODESTLY SIZED HOMES.

AND THERE'S AN AUDIENCE FOR THOSE.

I'M, I'M ONE OF 'EM.

UH, BUT THERE ARE SOME OF THESE OTHER LARGER LOTS THAT THE HOME MAY SET BACK FROM THE ROADWAY, SOME OF THESE, UH, OUTSIDE CORNERS AND THEY WILL BE SOME BIG HOMES.

THERE'LL BE SOME BIG HOMES.

AND, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, NOT TO BELABOR, BUT LIKE THE, THE CORNER LOTS I THINK IS WHERE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF RESERVE.

'CAUSE THERE, THE, THE HOMES YOU SHOW HERE, WHICH I IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE STILL DEVELOPING, AREN'T CITED.

I WOULDN'T THINK HOW WE WOULD NECESSARILY WANT THEM FOR SPECIFICALLY LOT TWO AND FIVE, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED.

SO THAT, THAT SIGHTING IS NOT SET, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT SET.

WHAT, WHAT IS SET ARE THE RESTRICTIONS ON EACH OF THOSE LOTS? FRONT YARD SETBACKS.

SOME OF THEM HAVE BILLED TWO LINES, SIDE YARD SETBACKS, REAR YARD SETBACKS, LANDSCAPE EASEMENTS, UH, MINIMUM PRIVATE OPEN SPACE SETBACKS.

SO WITH ALL THOSE RESTRICTIONS ON ANY GIVEN LOT, WE'VE GOT A PIECE OF GROUND THAT IN MANY CASES IS A TRAPEZOID THAT IS THE BUILDING SITE.

WHAT GOES IN THERE, THAT'S GONNA DEPEND ON CORINTHIANS CUSTOMERS.

DO I WANT A ONE STORY, A TWO STORY? DO I LIKE STONE? DO I LIKE BRICK? UH, A A A WEEKEND GUEST QUARTERS? DO I WANT A THIRD AUXILIARY GARAGE OR A POOL HOUSE SLASH GARAGE? AS LONG AS IT FITS THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW PROCESS AND IT LIVES WITHIN THOSE MINIMUM, UH, RESTRICTIONS, UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA LET THE CUSTOMERS DETERMINE WHAT THOSE HOMES, THIS IS TRULY CUSTOM WE'VE GOT OTHER THAN TAYLOR'S CHARACTER THOUGHTS, WHICH I THINK ARE, UH, OUTSTANDING, UH, WE'VE GOT NO PRESCRIPTIVE HOMES FOR THESE.

THIS WILL BE UP TO THE END BUYER.

THEN STAFF WOULD'VE SAY IN THE SITUATION ON THIS SITE.

ON SITE.

AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION REAL QUICK FOR STAFF, AND I PROMISE I'M DONE.

SO ON LOT 10, OR YOU, YOU HAD THE GRAPHIC OF THE CORNER LOTS THAT WERE IN QUESTION WITH THE WIS LOT, LOT 10 MEETS.

I I WAS CONFUSED BY A LOT.

10.

ARE YOU JUST SHOWING LOT 10 AS AN EXAMPLE? YEAH.

IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT, CORRECT? I WASN'T, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT.

I CONFIRM THAT I WASN'T MISREADING SOMETHING.

PDP DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS TO BE, IT'S, IT'S FINALIZED AS LONG AS WE HAVE LISTED ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSED.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE BEST LOT IN THE WHOLE PLACE, BY THE WAY.

, UM, MS. SING, CAN I HAVE YOU TALK THROUGH, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS A PUD.

PUD HAS KIND OF A DIFFERENT APPROACH WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT TEXT.

CAN YOU TALK THROUGH, WAIT, WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN FRONT OF US.

CAN YOU TALK THROUGH AT WHAT STAGE FOR THE, FOR THE AUDIENCE AND FOR THE COMMISSION AT WHAT STAGE WE ARE ADOPTING? BECAUSE TONIGHT WE'RE NOT ASKED TO ADOPT DEVELOPMENT TEXT, BUT WE ARE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN PRELIMINARY PLAT.

SO CAN YOU TALK THROUGH SPECIFIC TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, WHAT NEXT STEPS WOULD BE? SO AT THE

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AND WITH THAT, THERE WILL BE NO ADDITIONAL FINAL CHANGES AT THE FTP.

SO I'M FRAMING MY QUESTIONS.

, UM, MR. BOGGS, I HAVE ONE FOR YOU BECAUSE THE OPENING STATEMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT SAYS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, LET ME BACK UP.

WHERE CONFLICT OCCURS BETWEEN THE CITY OF DUBLIN CODE AND THESE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SHALL APPLY AND SUPERSEDE THE CODE.

UH, THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS IN OUR CODE, LIKE SIX FOOT FENCES THAT, THAT WE DON'T ALLOW AS A CITY.

AM I READING THAT STATEMENT CORRECTLY? THAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS TRYING TO SAY THAT WHEN THERE'S CONFLICT BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND CODE, THEN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT SUPERSEDES? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

AND SO THEN WHERE THERE ARE ELEMENTS, OR TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE ITEMS WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS SILENT, CODE COMES IN AND FILLS IN THAT GAP.

UNDERSTOOD.

SO THEN, UH, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW ITEMS, UH, AND IT DOES SAY, UM, TO YOUR POINT, THE VERY LAST STATEMENT SAYS, YOU KNOW, UH, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SHALL APPLY, RIGHT? WHERE IT'S SILENT CITY COMES IN.

BUT THERE ARE ITEMS IN HERE, FOR INSTANCE, CALLING OUT WHAT CONSTITUTES LOT COVERAGE OR, UH, SORRY, GOING THROUGH, UH, RIGHT OF WAY, UH, THE LOCATION OF CROSSWALKS, THE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY ELEMENTS, UH, CALLING OUT AUXILIARY STRUCTURES THAT ARE PERMITTED AND NOT PERMITTED SETBACKS, UH, BUT NOT CALLING OUT LIKE THE FRONT FACING GARAGES SHALL BE SET BACK FROM THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOME.

BUT IT DOESN'T SAY BY HOW MUCH THIN BRICK AS A PERMITTED MATERIAL WINDOWS AS QUOTE UNQUOTE ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE.

TO WHAT DEGREE, AND I GUESS I'M BACK TO MISS SAYING ON THIS ONE, NOT NECESSARILY MR. BOGGS, TO WHAT DEGREE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS BECOMING CODIFIED, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT OUGHT THE COMMISSION TO, UM, ARTICULATE OR TO VERBALIZE ANY, UH, CONCERNS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AT THIS PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PHASE? AT THIS PHASE, IF THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS NOT ALIGN WITH THE IN NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, IT DOES NOT MEETS THE, THE INTENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.

IT THAT IT ANY PITY MEETS THE CODE ALONG WITH CREATING OR FLEXIBILITY.

AS LONG AS IT'S, IT HAS A COMMUNITY THEME AND IT'S ADDRESSING THAT AT THIS POINT, IF IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THAT, IT DOESN'T ADDRESS, I THINK THAT IS THE POINT THAT WE IDENTIFY THOSE AND ADDRESS THOSE.

UH, AND THEN MR. BOGGS, BACK TO ONE MORE FOR YOU BEFORE I ASK THE APPLICANT A CLARIFYING QUESTION.

UH, AUS IN THE CITY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN THE CITY, ARE I, I KNOW CITY COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT THEM SOMETIME IN THE PAST.

ARE ARE THOSE PERMITTED IN THE CITY? I HONESTLY DO NOT.

I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE IF THEY HAVE TAKEN ACTION WITH REGARD TO THEM.

I KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN CONVERSATION.

NOW, BACK TO A METHOD TO THE MADNESS, RIGHT? THE, THE REASON FOR THE QUESTION, THERE IS A COMMENT, UM, TWICE IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT TALKS ABOUT POSSIBLE AUXILIARY STRUCTURES AND IN ONE SECTION IT TALKS ABOUT DETACHED GARAGES LIKE A, A SECOND, YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT PORT CO-CHAIRS, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

BUT IF THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS NOT CLEAR ON IT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CALLOUTS OF SUPERSEDING CODE MM-HMM .

UH, DO YOU ENVISION ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT? NO.

COOKIE CUTTER, YOU KNOW, HEY, START WITH THIS AND THIS IS HOW IT'S KIND OF BROKEN DOWN.

AND I WILL, UM, INTERJECT BRIEFLY.

THERE ARE, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS WHERE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ARE, UM, CONTEMPLATED AS IT LOOKS LIKE CONDITIONAL USES IN BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT AS WELL AS IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.

GOT IT.

UH, SO, SO THERE ARE QUITE A FEW, YOU KNOW, I I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A STANDARD WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS COMING FORWARD WITH PUDS LIKE, UH,

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UM, AM I CORRECT IN THAT, IN THAT STATEMENT? CORRECT.

SO NUMBER ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT IS IF THERE ARE ITEMS IN HERE THAT THE CODE ALREADY ADDRESSES AND THEREFORE CALLS INTO KIND OF QUESTION ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO I NEED TO LOOK AT? BOTH OF THEM APPEAR TO BE TODAY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING.

WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DELETE THEM FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND LET THE CITY CODE GOVERN SO THAT THERE ISN'T CONFLICT IN THE FUTURE? YEAH, I THINK ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S NO INTENT TO SLIP SOMETHING BY, THIS IS PUD AND BY DEFINITION WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING OUR DEVELOPMENT YEP.

UNDERSTOOD.

IN THE KING'S ENGLISH.

UH, AND THEN A COUPLE OF GRANULAR QUESTIONS YOU CALL OUT, UH, PARKING SHALL BE ALLOWED, ALLOWED ON ONE SITE OF THE PUBLIC STREETS.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND HERE THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS PROCESS BECAUSE ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT YOU ESSENTIALLY ARE ADDING A, YOU'RE PROPOSING A CONDITION EIGHT IS WHAT YOU'RE THINKING MAYBE, RIGHT? A CONDITION EIGHT? YES.

HOW WOULD YOU AC ENVISION ACCOMPLISHING THAT? THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE IN, I THINK WE'LL DEAL WITH WITH ENGINEERING ON THAT AND TAKE THEIR, THEIR CHARGE.

BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS SAYING THERE'S NO PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF STREET B BY WAY OF SIGNAGE, BY WAY OF STRIPING.

MAY BY WAY, MAY, MAY VERY WELL.

NO, I THINK STRIPE, I THINK, I THINK SIGNAGE.

I THINK SIGNAGE BE THE MOST TASTEFUL WAY.

A AGAIN, THESE ARE BY DESIGN BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY.

THESE ARE SMALL STREETS, TIGHT STREETS, BUT THERE'S SUFFICIENT OFF STREET PARKING AND DRIVEWAYS AS COVERED IN THE TEXT.

AND THERE WILL BE PERIODIC PEOPLE.

I PRAY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE PARKING CURBSIDE AND GOING TO DINNERS IN THE LAKE.

SO WE WILL, WE'LL FIND OUR WAY THROUGH AND WE CAN RESTRICT THAT PARKING IF NEED BE.

UH, BACK TO STAFF THIN BRICK.

DO WE ALLOW THIN BRICK IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS SINCE IT'S A PUD? UM, UH, SORRY, CAVEAT WITHOUT A PUD, DO WE ALLOW THIN BRICK CURRENTLY IN A, A TRADITIONAL STANDARD CODE DEVELOPMENT? I DO NOT BELIEVE SO, BUT STAFF CAN LOOK DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT.

I DON'T THINK SO EITHER.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.

UH, AND THEN DO YOU ENVISION, UH, A STANDARD FOR THAT GARAGE PLANE? UM, YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, SETBACK FROM THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOME, BUT NOT BY A, YOU KNOW, IS IT AN INCH, IS IT TWO FEET? NO, AND THIS IS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS IS THE FIRST THAT, UH, THAT UM, WE'VE HEARD OF THAT GARAGE, UH, SETBACK AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT WE NEVER COVERED THAT, THAT ITEM, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE DETAILED ITEMS. WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF, GET SOME CLARITY, SOME UNDERSTANDING, AND ADD IT TO THAT AS A CONDITION OF PASSAGE.

WE WILL ADD THAT TO THE TEXT.

WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION.

SO THEN I'M LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION.

I'M ONE OF SEVEN, SO MY VOICE MATTERS.

ONE SEVEN.

UH, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION ON, WE'VE HEARD FROM STAFF THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXTS OUGHT TO BE ADDRESSED AT THIS STAGE OF THE PROCESS.

THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, SO THEREFORE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE FIRST RUN THROUGH.

SO HAVING IT FIRST TIME, UH, WOULD THE COMMISSION LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE ITEMS THIS EVENING? WOULD THE COMMISSION BE ACCEPTABLE? ACCEPTING OF, UH, A LAUNDRY LIST BEING CALLED OUT AND A DIRECTION TO WORK WITH STAFF BEFORE THAT TEXT BE BROUGHT BACK AS FINAL DEVELOPMENT? AGAIN, WE DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT EITHER, BECAUSE THIS FIRST TIME YOU'RE HEARING FROM US ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

I WANNA BE JUDICIOUS WITH YOUR TIME AS WELL.

I WILL SAY THIS, UH, WITH THESE, UM, THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT, UH, STAFF HAS PROVIDED, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST TWO AND WE'RE LOOKING TO THIS COMMISSION TO ADJUDICATE THAT.

UH, WE'VE ALREADY STATED OUR POSITION AND STAFF HAS STATED THEIRS AND WE'LL LOOK TO YOU.

UH, OTHER THAN THAT SIDE SETBACK ISSUE, I THINK, WHICH WAS CONDITION SIX, AGAIN, WE STILL CONTEND THAT 12 FEET IS SUFFICIENT.

SIDE YARD STAFF IS ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO YARD, TWO FOOT SETBACK FOR THAT SIDE YARD.

THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE ITEMS WE DISAGREE WITH.

ALL THE REST OF THESE ARE ABOUT US GETTING TOGETHER WITH STAFF AND COORDINATING MORE DETAIL, ADDING THAT TO THE TEXT, ADDING THAT TO THE DRAWINGS BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND WE'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT.

SO, SO AS WE'RE NOT IN DELIBERATION YET, CAN I TAKE A STRAW POLL FROM THE COMMISSION? IF I JUST PROVIDE THE LIST OF DEVELOPMENT TEXT ITEMS THAT I FOUND YOU ADD ANY OTHERS, AND WE ADD THAT AS A CONDITION OF WORK WITH STAFF FOR DISCUSSION DURING OUR DELIBERATION PERIOD, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? YEAH, SO I, I I THINK SO I

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RIGHT.

AND THEN WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT OR THE CITY, ESSENTIALLY ON ONE THROUGH SEVEN O ON ONE THROUGH EIGHT, RIGHT.

AND I'M, I'M ON BOARD.

SO LET ME MAKE SURE I, I, I'M, I'M A ONE, I, I SAW HEAD NODS TO FOUR AND I CAN COUNT TO FOUR, SO .

UH, ALL RIGHT.

TH THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

SO LOOKING BACK TO THE COMMISSION, THIS, THIS WAS A LONGER QUESTION PERIOD.

SO I WANNA CIRCLE BACK AND SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

SORRY, MR. DASH? YES.

UH, STAFF, I, I, THIS IS REALLY ON NUMBER FIVE AND IT WAS ONE OF THE ONES I WANTED TO ADDRESS.

CAN YOU IDENTIFY AGAIN WHAT SPECIFIC ISSUE YOU HAVE ON THESE SETBACKS FOR LOTS ONE THROUGH 10? SURE, SURE.

SO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT LISTS DOWN THE AREA SETBACKS AS WELL AS PRIMARY STRUCTURE SETBACK, AND AT THE SAME TIME, LIST DOWN THE MINIMUM OPEN PRIVATE OPEN SPACES.

SO FOR LOT LOTS, ONE IN 10, THE MATHEMATICAL MATHEMATICAL CAL CALCULATIONS ARE NOT ACCURATE.

AND THESE ARE ALL THOSE IN INSIDE LOTS, RIGHT? YEAH.

DO YOU HAVE A, UM, A DESCRIPTION OR A, A, A LINEAGE PIECE TO SHOW HOW, HOW CLOSE THE, WHAT YOU, WHAT THE CURRENT SETBACKS ARE AND WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE? I, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THE MATH DOESN'T WORK RIGHT NOW.

SO BRING IT BACK WITH THE MATH CALLED OUT.

THAT'S THE EXPECTATION.

SO YEAH.

DO YOU AGREE WITH THE, THE CALCULATION? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BECAUSE YES AND NO.

YES AND NO.

UM, WE'VE BEEN, UH, PATTI'S BEEN VERY BUSY AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF OUR ATTENTION, BUT WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING VIA EMAIL ON THAT ISSUE.

AND I THINK WE NEED A FACE TO FACE WITH A PLAN IN FRONT OF US AND TALK ABOUT THAT.

HERE'S MY POSITION.

WE'VE GOT FRONT YARD SETBACKS.

SOME OF THEM HAVE A BUILD TWO LINE, WE'VE GOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS.

WE'VE GOT REAR YARD SETBACKS AND LANDSCAPE EASEMENTS THAT ARE SUPERSEDED BY THE MINIMUM DIMENSION FOR PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.

SO YOU START SCRIBING ALL OF THOSE LINES ONTO A, ANY GIVEN ONE OF THESE LOTS.

YOU HAVE THEREBY DESCRIBED THE BUILDABLE AREA.

RADDY AND I'VE CHAT TALKED ABOUT, UH, THIS, UH, MAXIMUM BUILDING DEPTH.

AND THESE ARE VERY ODD SHAPED LOTS.

WHERE DO YOU TAKE THAT DIMENSION FROM AND IS IT SUPERFLUOUS? DOES IT REALLY MATTER TO US? SINCE WE'VE ALREADY RESTRICTED ALL OF OUR EDGES AND WE KNOW WHERE THE BUILDING THE ENVELOPE WITHIN WHICH THE BUILDING CAN SET, I, MAYBE SHE CAN ENLIGHTEN ME AND I PRAY TO GOD SHE WILL TOMORROW WHEN WE GET TOGETHER.

WHAT DOES THAT DIMENSION DO FOR US? WHAT KIND OF PROTECTION DOES THAT PROVIDE TO US, IF ANY? I, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, SO I'M A LITTLE BIT IGNORANT ON THAT.

BUT AS I'VE MENTIONED HERE, WE AGREE WITH MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY CLEARLY UNDERSTANDS THE INDIVIDUAL LOT METRICS.

AND AS WE SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH THAT, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT IF WE'VE GOT AN ADDED DIMENSIONAL LADDER DIMENSION.

THANKS FOR THAT CLARITY.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANKS REBECCA.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER FINAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC FORWARD AS THIS IS A VOTING ITEM IF YOU WERE NOT SWORN IN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

AND DO WISH TO MAKE COMMENT, COULD I HAVE YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND SO I KNOW IF I SHOULD SWEAR YOU IN? WERE YOU SWORN IN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING WAS PERFECT.

WONDERFUL.

ANYONE ELSE IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WAS NOT SWORN IN? ALRIGHT, YOU GUYS ARE EASY ON ME.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

, WE DO REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.

MS. MAXWELL? UH, MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS JOHN RAHM.

IS THE LIGHT WORKING, IS THE TIMER LIGHT WORKING THIS EVENING? IT'S GREEN.

TIMER.

SO THAT TIMER LIGHT, I'LL BE THREE.

I WON'T BE THREE MINUTES, I PROMISE.

MY NAME IS JOHN RAHM.

I LIVE AT 4 2 7 3 HANNA HILLS.

UM, WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE DEVELOPER.

TWO OF OUR NEIGHBORS SAT DOWN WITH HIM.

WE HAD A, WE HAD A GREAT MEETING.

UM, THEY WERE VERY AMIABLE AND THEY, THEY TOOK INTO OUR CONSIDERATION OF THINGS THAT WE HAD ISSUES WITH AND THEY MADE

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CHANGES, WHICH KUDOS.

RIGHT? SOMETHING ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THOUGH THAT I THINK YOU GUYS ALL OUGHT TO KNOW THAT WHEN YOU COME THROUGH OFF A HARD ROAD FROM THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY'RE ALL CONCRETE AND BIG, WIDE BOULEVARDS AND WALKWAYS ON BOTH SIDES.

YOU COME THROUGH THAT CUT THROUGH AND WE'RE AT L NIRVANA.

WE'RE ALL, NO, NO SIDEWALKS AT ALL.

NONE MACBETH, BRIGHT GRANDE CLIFFS, HAR H HILLS, NONE OF US HAVE SIDEWALKS.

WE LIKE THAT.

WE USE THE STREETS.

WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HIGH IN THE ROADS, WALKING WITH OUR PEOPLE.

WE TALK TO THE BABIES THAT ARE BEING BORN DOWN THE STREET.

WE TALK TO ALL, ALL OUR NEIGHBORS ALL THE TIME.

WE'RE TIGHT BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO WHEN WE GET CAUGHT UP IN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE HAVE ENOUGH CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M KIND OF AGAINST THAT.

I, I DON'T QUITE AGREE WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, VARIANCES FOR THIS KIND OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT REALLY DOESN'T FIT.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT ACCESS PATH YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF, UM, UH, HOLD OR RIGHT PARK TO GO BACK TO THE HOUSE IS A, AS IS A STONE DRIVEWAY.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS, YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE DRIVING ON THAT, SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

IT'S RIGHT IN THE SAME PLACE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT A, AN INPUT FOR THE RETENTION POND.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO NEW NEIGHBORS.

UM, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE'VE HAD NEW NEIGHBORS SNOW DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE, BUT THEY'RE STARTING TO KNOCK DOWN SOME HOMES.

THERE'S A COUPLE NEW BUILDS BACK ON, UH, MCDUFF WAY.

THERE'S SOME PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN TOTALLY REMODELED.

IT'S START STARTING TO FEEL LIKE UPPER ARLINGTON WHERE THEY'RE KNOCKING PLACES DOWN AND REBUILDING NEW HOUSES.

SO IT'S, IT'S GOT A MIXED USE BACK THERE.

AND IT'S NOT COOKIE CUTTER, IT'S NOT A SUBDIVISION LOOKING AREA.

IF, IF YOU GO THROUGH THERE, UM, BEYOND THAT, WE'RE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

APPRECIATE YOU.

WERE YOU SWORN IN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING? I WAS NOT.

IF YOU WANNA JUST RAISE YOUR HAND.

SURE.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? I DO.

SORRY, I WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAKING UNTIL I HEARD ANOTHER NEIGHBOR'S COMMENTS.

UH, MY NAME IS LAUREN ELLI.

I LIVE ON, UH, 47 60 BRIGHT ROAD.

SO I'M IN LOOKING AT THE PLANS, UM, WEST OF THE DEVELOPMENT TOWARDS THE VERY END OF BRIGHT ROAD.

UM, I DISAGREE WITH THE COMMENT ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS.

I HAVE A ONE-YEAR-OLD AND WE DO WALK BRIGHT ROAD, UM, AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE MORE SAFE, UH, PATHS TO WALK ON.

SO I KNOW WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOUBLE SIDEWALKS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IT, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE SAFE TO KIND OF GO IN THERE.

I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CARE TOO MUCH ABOUT BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, BUT, UM, LIMITING THAT TOO GREATLY WOULD I THINK, UM, BE A DISSERVICE.

ESPECIALLY WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

WE ARE SEEING A LOT MORE WALKING AND, UM, FOOTPATH TRAFFIC AND KIDS, I SEE WAY MORE KIDS NOW ON THEIR BIKES COMING DOWN OUR STREET.

AND IT IS JUST CONCERNING BECAUSE, UM, THERE ISN'T ON BRIGHT ROAD, THERE IS NOWHERE FOR THEM TO GO.

AND WITH THAT S-CURVE THAT HAPPENS JUST PAST THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S, IT'S VERY SCARY.

I'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO, UM, I MYSELF DRIVE PROBABLY HALF THE SPEED LIMIT BECAUSE AT TIMES THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE CROSS COUNTRY BOYS TEAM IS COMING THROUGH AND THEY ARE ON THE ACTUAL STREET AND THEY'RE TAKING UP THE ENTIRE WIDTH.

SO, UM, FOR ME THE MORE SAFE, DISTINGUISHED WALKING PATHS, THE THE BETTER.

ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO MAKE A PO COMMENT ON THIS CASE OR THESE TWO CASES? I SUPPOSE, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THE DURATION OF THE MEETING? NO.

RATIONALIZED TO A, TO A STREET STATE, STREET SCAPE, AND A GRID, I DO THINK BEING ABLE TO FRONT STREETS, HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE ALL HOUSES FRONT THE STREET AND TO, AND DEFINE THE PUBLIC REALM IS IMPORTANT.

GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING.

WE WILL NOW CONTINUE WITH, UH, WITH DELIBERATION FROM THE COMMISSION.

AND, UH, THIS TIME I THINK I'M GONNA START, MR. ALEXANDER, I COULD HAVE YOU START US OFF WITH DELIBERATION.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, ITEM ONE, I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT.

I, I THINK THE SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT, HAVING SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS ON TWO SIDES DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WITH THE SCALE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE SIZE OF THE STREETS AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, THE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK AS PROPOSED.

I DO THINK HAVING ON ONE SIDE IS, UM, BENEFICIAL.

I'M SORT OF AMBIVALENT ON TWO.

I THINK THREE IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNED ME INITIALLY.

I I THINK YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS, IS SIMILAR BUT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN SESSIONS IN THAT IT HAS, YOURS HAS TO BE RATIONALIZED TO A CODE.

AND THE SPECIFIC LOTS, I THINK THE SCALE OF THE UNITS YOU'RE PROPOSING AND THE, THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL ARE SIMILAR.

BUT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE

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SO I I, I STRONGLY AGREE WITH ITEM ITEM THREE.

NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO FRONT THE STREET EITHER, SO I KNOW YOU, YOU KNOW THAT AS WELL.

SO I I STRONGLY AGREE WITH THAT.

UM, AND, AND, AND THE OTHERS.

I, I'M THE, THE ITEM SIX, THAT IS A STANDARD WHERE YOU, YOU HAVE IN, IN MANY COMMUNITIES YOU DO HAVE THE SIDE YARD SUM THAT IS GREATER THAN THE SMALLEST INCREMENT.

AND SO HAVING AN EIGHT FOOT POTENTIALLY ON ONE SIDE, IF THE OTHER IS SIX, MAKES IT EASIER FOR ACCESS FOR EQUIPMENT OR SERVICE TO THE REAR.

SO MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO KEEP SIX IN THERE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OTHER CODES AND I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOGICAL BENEFIT TO THAT.

UM, BUT THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY, MY COMMENTS.

I THINK I, I THINK THERE, I, I FIND A LOT OF VERY POSITIVE THINGS ABOUT THE PROPOSAL.

HOWEVER, I DO THINK THE ARCHITECTURE IS MORE LIKE WHAT WE MIGHT SEE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND NOT SO MUCH LIKE SOME OF THE HOUSES BEHIND IT, BUT I THINK THIS IS AN INTERNALLY FACING COMMUNITY AND, AND I THINK IT'S JUST, UH, I ALSO THINK THE FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHTS, THE MODERN LIVING DEMANDS ALSO LENDS ITSELF TO WHAT, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

SO I'M NOT ADVERSE TO, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL DIFFERENCE HERE.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER.

MR. DASHER, FIRST OFF, I THINK, AND I MENTIONED IT, UH, KIND OF IN MY DISCUSSION, I'D, I'D LIKE TO, IF I WERE BUILDING THIS, I'D LIKE TO HAVE C AND D BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOA FROM, FROM A PRIVATE PERSPECTIVE.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR DECISION.

NUMBER ONE, I'M GONNA, I AGREE WITH GARY, AND ACTUALLY I THINK IT SHOULD BE FOUR FEET AND IT SHOULD BE PAVER OR BRICK.

AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ABOUT MAINTENANCE.

IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT TREES ALONG THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE A ROOT PIECE TO IT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME MAINTENANCE OVER TIME.

IT'S GONNA HAPPEN SIMILAR TO REGULAR CONCRETE.

UH, BUT I THINK BASED ON THE WAY THAT YOUR PROPOSED THE COMMUNITY, THE FOREFOOT PAVER BRICK IS APPROPRIATE.

AND IN ACTUALITY, I WAS THINKING WITH WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID, I, THAT'S MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT WILL YOU HAVE THE FRONT DOOR PATH OUT? I THINK BASED ON THIS COMMUNITY, YOU COULD HAVE IT WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SIDEWALKS.

JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

UH, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, UM, JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A PRIVATE COMMUNITY AND, AND I THINK PEOPLE WOULD, WOULD WALK ON THE STREET MORE.

UM, BUT FOR THE BASELINE, I THINK FOUR FOOT IN FAVOR OF BRICK IS APPROPRIATE.

NUMBER TWO, I'M NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE CITY.

I'M WITH THE APPLICANT.

I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING, I DON'T WANT THE CONNECTED PIECE WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE A PATH.

UM, I LIKE FROM, TO GET TO THAT, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT.

THE, UH, THE RESERVE A I LIKE THE PATH BETWEEN THE HOMES.

I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE HOW YOU HAD THAT ESTABLISHED.

BUT, AND THEN THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ENGINEER.

I, I, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING CREATED, BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE A CONTINUOUS PATH, UH, FROM BRIGHT ROAD BACK THROUGH IT.

IT, I THINK IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE CONTINUITY OF THE COMMUNITY AS IS WHAT YOU PROPOSED.

NUMBER THREE, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE, UH, OF, OF THE APPLICANT'S POSITION, NOT OF THE CONDITION.

I, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME DIFFERENTIATION WITH THE LOT SIZES AND THE ALLOCATION OF THE HOMES.

I THINK IT PRESENTS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

UH, FOUR AND FIVE, I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED, UH, BASED ON THE APPLICANT THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO CONCEDE IN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE THOSE CONDITIONS SAME AS SEVEN.

AND THEN NUMBER SIX, UH, AGAIN, I'M GONNA SIDE WITH THE APPLICANT.

I DO NOT THINK WE NEED THE CONDITION.

I I THINK THE 12 FEET IS APPROPRIATE FOR A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS.

IF, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO I'M GOOD.

THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, MR. GARVIN.

IS I IS WHERE I'VE GOT KIND OF MY STRONGEST OPINION.

UM, OKAY, STARTING WITH ONE.

UH, I WOULD AGREE.

I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF AT LEAST THE FIVE FOOT PATH.

UM, AND I WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PAVER OR BRICK OPTION AS WELL, JUST FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT, BUT ULTIMATELY AMBIVALENT TO THE MATERIAL.

UM, NUMBER TWO

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I REALLY DO SUPPORT THE, UH, STAFF'S POSITION THAT THERE SHOULD BE A SHARED, UH, USE.

UH, THERE SHOULD BE A SHARED, UM, MIXED USE PATH THAT CAN CONNECT THOSE TWO, UH, OTHER PATHS.

BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT ONE THING THAT WE SEE THROUGHOUT ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE DEVELOPED IS THEY ALL KIND OF ADD IN LIKE PUZZLE PIECES TO THIS NETWORK OF PATHS THAT WE HAVE.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT FEATURE IN DUBLIN.

AND UM, I DO THINK THAT WITHOUT THAT, THIS DOES FEEL LIKE A LITTLE NODE WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, GOING ON TO NUMBER THREE, OH, UM, I AGREE WITH THE POSITION THAT IF THE, UH, DRIVEWAYS ARE GONNA BE LOCATED IN THOSE FRONTAGES ANYWAY, UM, I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR THE CONDITION, BUT ULTIMATELY AMBIVALENT ON THAT ONE AS WELL.

UM, FOUR AND FIVE, I THINK WE CAN MOVE BEYOND.

UM, I WOULD AGREE THOSE SHOULD STAY.

UH, NUMBER SIX, I DON'T SEE THE, UH, THE NEED TO ADD THE FOOT ON EITHER SIDE THERE.

I THINK THAT CONDITION IS, UH, IS NOT A, UM, DEAL BREAKER FOR ME.

UH, AND NUMBER SEVEN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE STAY, UM, JUST LOOKING THROUGH MY NOTES HERE.

YEAH, JUST THE LAST POINT ON, ON CONNECTING THOSE TWO PATHS.

I THINK THAT IT ADDS TO THE VALUE OF THE FERRIS WRIGHT PARK, BUT I ALSO ON THE MATERIAL USED FOR IT, BECAUSE ON THE FERRIS RIGHT SIDE, AS I ALLUDED TO, IT'S NOT PAVED CONCRETE.

IF THERE IS A SOLUTION THAT CAN BE FOUND WITH ENGINEERING THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE VEHICLES, UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S KEY TO ME BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UH, THE DUAL USE OF THOSE PATHS IS, IS, UM, SOMETHING WE SEE THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT'S VERY USEFUL FOR OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENTS.

SO AS LONG AS THERE'S SOME MATERIAL THEY CAN AGREE ON THAT WON'T DEGRADE THE PATHWAY TOO MUCH OVER TIME, UM, I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE ASPHALT.

THANK YOU MR. GARVIN.

MR. CHINOOK.

UM, AGAIN, I THINK I, UH, SHARE THE SAME COMMENTS AND, UM, WE'VE KIND OF DISCUSSED, I, UH, REALLY NICE DEVELOPMENT.

I MEAN, KUDOS.

I THINK YOU GUYS, YOU'VE DEFINITELY LISTENED TO OUR COMMENTS BEFORE AND YOU'VE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK THAT'S, I THINK IT'S GREAT YOU GET WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'VE PUTTING TOGETHER HERE.

UM, ALL WE'LL JUST HIT THE, THE ONES IN QUESTIONS.

SO ONE, TWO, AND THREE, SO, OR ONE, TWO, AND SIX.

SO, UM, I AGREE.

I THINK I, I DO NOT THINK THIS SIZE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WARRANTS HAVING THAT MUCH SIDEWALK.

SO I'M, I'M, I AGREE WITH EVERY, WHAT WE'RE HEARING THAT FOUR OR FIVE FEET WORK WITH STAFF ON THE MATERIAL, BUT ONLY ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.

I DO THINK IT IS NECESSARY TO HAVE A SIDEWALK, BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE, HAVE TWO ON, ON EITHER SIDE.

UM, I, I MET, I COMMENT ON THE PATH EARLIER.

I, I THINK AGAIN, WE, WE, WE PREACH CON CONNECTIVITY.

WE, WE TALK ABOUT DOUBLE BEING UNIFIED COMMUNITY.

I, I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN NOT DO A PATH THAT CONNECTS, I MEAN THESE PATHS TO NO, I, I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I GET THE VISION, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT, IT REALLY FITS.

UM, BUT IF WE CAN COME UP WITH THE MATERIAL ON THE PATH THAT ENGINEERING LIKES, THEN FANTASTIC.

BUT I REALLY THINK IT NEEDS TO CONNECT TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE INEVITABLY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE WALKING THROUGH THERE ANYWAY.

'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S JUST PART OF, PART OF HOW DUBLIN WORKS.

AND I JUST, AGAIN, IN THE SPIRIT OF DUBLIN, WE GOTTA HAVE PATHS THAT, THAT CONNECT, UM, AND SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND I, I, I DO AGREE WITH STAFF.

I, I THINK WE NEED TO MAINTAIN ON NUMBER SIX.

I I THINK WE, YOU NEED TO MAINTAIN THESE MINIMUM SIDE YOUR DIMENSIONS IS A REASON WHY IT'S IN THERE.

UM, AND, UH, I'M, I, I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONDITION, BUT AGAIN, IN GENERAL, UH, WE'RE REALLY ANXIOUS TO SEE THE ARCHITECTURE.

I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU JUST TO MAKE SURE IT, IT, IT FITS.

IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, OFFPUTTING TO THE, TO THE, TO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.

YOU'VE DONE A LOT A GREAT JOB OF WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

LET'S JUST MAKE SURE IT FEELS LIKE IT FITS WITH, WITH WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE.

THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, THANK YOU, UH, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND ALL THE WORK THAT I CAN HEAR, UH, SO MUCH THAT YOU'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS, UM, MAKES OUR JOB, UH, A LOT EASIER THAT WAY TOO.

I AM, UM, JUST QUICKLY WANTED TO MENTION THAT.

UM, I'M, I'M, I'M NO, ON THE FIRST ONE, IT'S, IT YOU, THE SIDEWALKS.

UM, YOU DON'T NEED THAT MUCH.

UM, AND THEN THE REST I AM, UH, IN POSITION WITH, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THE STAFF'S POSITION.

UM, WHEN YOU COME BACK THOUGH, UM, I LIKE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTRANCE A BIT, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ON TRACK.

IT FITS IN.

IT SHOULD JUST KIND OF FLOW.

DOESN'T NEED LIKE A BIG SIGN, ALL THAT KIND OF, IN MY OPINION.

AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, MAILBOXES HAVE TOTALLY CHANGED NOW, AND IT'S GONNA BE A NEW, UM, SITUATION FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE THAT THEIR MAIL WON'T BE DROPPED OFF.

SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND SO I HOPE YOU THINK ABOUT THAT IN THAT DIRECTION TOO.

THANK YOU,

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MR. WE THANK YOU.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID IN THE LAST MEETING, THIS IS A, A REALLY SPECIAL AND UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT IS REALLY TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE ABOVE AND BEYOND AND TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT AS A CONCEPT.

UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IT'S FOLLOWING THE CITY'S CONSERVATION NEIGHBORHOOD AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND TRYING TO FIT INTO ALL OF THOSE THINGS IS, IS ABSOLUTELY, UH, COMME COMMEMORABLE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA OF THESE, OF THIS REALLY HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT CITY KIND OF IN THIS WOODLAND PRESERVE IS WHAT I THINK OF IT.

AND, AND TO ME, THE WOODLAND PRESERVE AREAS ARE REALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT MAKES THIS UNIQUE ALSO, NOT JUST THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.

SO I'M, I'M INTO THE, THE NOTION OF PRESERVING THOSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT? THEY'RE WOODED AREAS, THEY'RE PRIVATE, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INVITE THE PUBLIC INTO.

AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND, AND, AND I'M ONE THAT SUPPORTS CONNECTIVITY, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL.

SO, UM, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, THE, THE HUGE EFFORT TO PRESERVE WOODLANDS AND WETLANDS AND ALL THAT, THAT, AGAIN, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE NUMBER TWO AND JUST SAY, I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO CONNECT THROUGH.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE, THE MATERIAL OF THE MAINTENANCE, UH, DRIVE BE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE NATURAL AND, AND IT, YOU KNOW, MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY.

BUT, UM, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THERE.

THERE'S A TERM OF LAYING LIGHTLY ON THE LAND THAT, UM, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS LIKE TO USE.

AND I THINK THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE REALLY WANT TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW MUCH WE MESS WITH NATURE AND JUST THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DETENTION BASIN IN, IN ITSELF IS GONNA BE A WORK IN PROGRESS AND AN ART PIECE, RIGHT? OF, OF TEARING SOMETHING OUT AND THEN PUT, PUTTING SOMETHING BACK NEW THAT TRIES TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS ALWAYS THERE.

SO I, I'M, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN.

BUT LET'S NOT, LET'S NOT GO OVERBOARD.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO FOLLOW THE CITY'S, UM, CODES AND STANDARDS, RIGHT? THAT'S OUR, THE, THE COMMISSION'S RESPONSIBILITY.

AND SO IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO START TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE ITEMS LISTED HERE AND SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING AGAINST CODE, WE'RE GOING AGAINST STANDARDS, BUT IN MY MIND, THIS IS A UNIQUE ENOUGH DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WE ARE GOING ABOVE AND, UH, BEYOND IN TERMS OF THE CONSERVATION AND THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT I THINK WE COULD, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE LOW DENSITY OF THE, OF IT TO REALLY START TO THINK ABOUT, LET'S NOT NECESSARILY TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE EVERY OTHER SUBDIVISION IN, IN DUBLIN.

SO I WAS A HUGE CPO PROPONENT OF SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF STREETS.

I THINK, UH, AS WE WORKED ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS AN ADVOCATE FOR.

BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AND THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY, I THINK, UM, WE COULD BEND THAT RULE.

I, I LOVE THE NOTION OF THE, THE CHARACTER OF THIS AND THE BRICK ON A BRICK SIDEWALK.

UM, I LOVE TO SEE THAT AS KIND OF, UM, I AT, I'M NOT GONNA SAY BOTH SIDES, BUT, UM, I'M, THAT WOULD BE THE CITY STANDARD.

AND I KNOW THIS IS A CITY STREET, SO THERE'S CITY STANDARDS, BUT I'M, I'M OPEN TO IT BEING ON ONE SIDE.

I HAVE A, I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WRAPPING THE SIDEWALK AROUND RESERVE SEA.

SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE ONE AREA THAT YOU WANT TO PRESERVE AND NOT HAVE ANY SIDEWALKS THAT THAT'S KIND OF A, A DISCOVERABLE AREA IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'D RATHER SEE THE, THE SIDEWALK WRAP AROUND THE EDGE AND SOMEHOW TIE INTO THE OTHER ONE.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONE SIDE.

DON'T THINK YOU HAVE IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE RIGHT NOW.

BRICK WOULD BE GREAT.

UM, AGAIN, PUTTING CONCRETE SIDEWALKS EVERYWHERE IS NOT THE SOLUTION.

BUT, UH, AND AGAIN, I'M GOING AGAINST, YOU KNOW, A STANDARD AND, AND I EVEN, UM, WAS THINKING ABOUT THE STREET THAT I LIVE OFF OF HAS, UH, A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE AND HOW MUCH I DISLIKE IT , BUT IT'S A TYPICAL SUBDIVISION, AND THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSES ON IT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING.

SO I THINK THIS IS UNIQUE ENOUGH THAT WE COULD START TO OVERLOOK THAT.

UM, THE, THE 40 FOOT LOT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A SUBTLETY.

I THINK THERE'S A STANDARD THERE, BUT THIS IS UNIQUE ENOUGH.

YOU HAVE A UNIQUE HOUSES THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING THAT'S RIGHT, REGARDLESS OF, OF OVERLOOKING THAT 40 FEET.

THE TREE LAWN, OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED TO PLANT TREE TREES AND TREE LAWNS, .

SO THE CONFORMITY OF THAT IS IMPORTANT.

UM, THE, UH, THE SETBACK, UH, SIDE YARDS, ALL THAT STUFF.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE LANGUAGE HERE.

AND THE, I AGREE THAT WE WANT TO KEEP THE, THE SIDE YARD, UH, THE 14 FEET AND THE APPLICANT.

CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION, AND THAT IS THAT, UM, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY UNIQUE ABOUT LOTS 2, 1 20 AND 13 AND HOW THEY RELATE TO HARD ROAD.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE, I'M FINE WITH THAT TOO.

I HAVE ONE, I HAVE ANOTHER, UM, CONDITION THAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE

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AND WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE, AND I KNOW THIS IS GONNA BE FABULOUS ARCHITECTURE.

AND I, I GO BACK TO THE PAGE, UH, WHERE THERE'S THE ARCHITECTURAL PLAN ON WHATEVER PAGE IT WAS, WHERE IT SHOWED THE GATE HOUSE, THE ENTRY GATE HOUSES.

IT ALSO SHOWS THOSE HOUSES FRONTING ONTO HARD ROAD IN A VERY STRONG ARCHITECTURAL WAY.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE BLOCKS THAT ARE ON THE PLAN, I'M SEEING THIS KIND OF LIKE VERY, UM, INFORMAL EDGE.

AND I LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE DESIGNED IN TERMS OF CARD ROAD AND HOW YOU DRIVE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

YOU SEE THAT, THAT EDGE, HOW THE, HOW THE HOUSES KIND OF RELATE TO YOU MEAN BRIGHT ROAD ON BRIGHT? WHAT'S THAT? YOU MEAN BRIGHT ROAD? YEAH.

BRIGHT ROAD.

DID I SAY HARD ROAD? THANK YOU.

HOW MANY TIMES DID I SAY THAT? BRIGHT ROAD.

UM, IT'S SITTING THERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.

AND I, I OBVIOUSLY, I HAVE HARD ROAD IN MY, IN MY HEAD.

UM, SO ANYWAY, THINKING ABOUT THOSE FOUR LOTS, AND, AND THEY'RE NOT JUST A KIND OF A INFORMAL, UM, ARRANGEMENT OF BUILDINGS, BUT THINK ABOUT THOSE FOUR HOUSES, HOW THEY WORK TOGETHER.

AND I THINK THAT ARCHITECTURAL PLAN, UH, THAT YOU HAVE IN THE DOCUMENTS ACTUALLY STARTED TO TALK TO THAT.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT LOTS FRONTING ONTO BRIGHT ROAD, UM, HAVING, HAVING A, UH, POSITIVE RELATIONSHIP.

UM, MAYBE IT'S A COMMON SETBACK, MAYBE IT'S JUST THERE'S SOME, AND I, MAYBE YOU ALL CAN HELP US WITH THAT, THAT LANGUAGE, BUT, AND I'M, AND I'M PUTTING THAT OUT THERE TO THE COMMISSION, RIGHT? I'M NOT, THIS IS JUST MY IDEA, BUT AM DONE .

THANK YOU MR WAY.

UM, PLANNING THE ZONING COMMISSION, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE, THE ZONING SITE AND WE HAVE THE, THE PLANNING SIDE OF THE HAT.

UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THIS, WE LOOK AT THEM IN ISOLATION, RIGHT? ONE DEVELOPMENT HAS TO STAND ON ITS OWN, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IT COULD BE.

AND SO, UH, LOTS OF AREAS IN THE CITY ARE GOING UNDERGOING REDEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW.

AND SO THE REDEVELOPMENT, UH, KIND OF CHANGES THE, THE DECK OF CARDS YOU'RE PLAYING WITH.

AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, ITS CURRENT, UM, ENVIRONMENT, ITS CURRENT APPLICATION, PRETTY DARN SWEET.

YOU LOOK AT THE LAST TIME DUBLIN DID, I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION A LONG TIME.

YOU LOOK AT THE LAST TIME DUBLIN DID, UH, A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD THIS QUALITY OF, UM, OF ARCHITECTURE, OF DESIGN, OF NATURAL RESOURCES, OF THE TOTALITY OF THE APPLICATION.

WE DON'T GET THESE VERY OFTEN, BUT WHO'S TO SAY REDEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE WAY OR ADJACENT PROPERTY ISN'T GOING TO COME RIGHT ALONG.

AND THEREFORE THIS 20, UM, LOT DEVELOPMENT IS NOW GONNA BE A 200 LOT DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT, OH, WELL, WE WISH WE WOULD HAVE, WE WISH WE WOULD.

OH, IF WE HAD KNOWN.

AND THOSE ARE TOUGH PILLS TO SWALLOW WHEN, ESPECIALLY YOU WERE SITTING IN THE CHAIR AND YOU PASS SOMETHING AND THEN YOU GO, OH, MAN, IF I HAD ONLY KNOWN.

BUT I, I DO THINK THAT, THAT THERE ARE, THERE'S A REASON WHY THERE ARE PEOPLE IN SEATS AND NOT JUST A CHECKLIST THAT A DEVELOPER COMES THROUGH AND SAYS, OKAY, DID YOU MEET ALL THE BOXES? THEREFORE, OKAY, YEP.

STAMP OF APPROVAL.

FOR THAT REASON, I THINK THE CITY, UM, HAD THE OPINION OF THE TREE LAWN, HEY, THE TREE LAWN, YES, WE WANT IT THIS WIDE, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO DO, OKAY.

IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT.

BUT IF WE LOOK AT WHY WE HAVE THE STANDARDS, WHY DO WE HAVE THE, THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES? WELL, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN BITTEN BY NOT HAVING SIT SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.

ANYONE WHO'S TRIED TO PUSH A STROLLER AND HAVE A BICYCLIST PASS PATH WISHES THAT WE HAD A WIDER SIDEWALK.

ANYONE WHO LIVES ON THE WRONG SIDE, THE NOT SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK, WHO NEEDS TO WALK TO GET THEIR MAIL, WHERE THEIR MAILBOX IS NOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE APRON OF THE, THE STREET, AND THEY HAVE 18 INCHES OF SNOW IN THEIR FRONT YARD WISHES THEY HAD A SIDEWALK.

AND SO IT'S ALL THOSE LESSONS LEARNED.

UH, THE, THE PUBLIC REALM, HOW YOU INTERACT WITH A DEVELOPMENT IS YOUR LOT COVERAGE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT FEELS DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE EVERYBODY'S ON A POSTAGE STAMP LOT AND HAS THE LARGEST HOUSE THAT THE BUILDER HAD AVAILABLE TO THEM.

AND SO THE SIDE, SIDE YARDS ARE INCREDIBLY SMALL.

THAT'S WHY WE PASSED THE SIX FOOT SIDE YARD WITH AN 18

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FOOT, 18 FOOT TOTALITY IS BECAUSE WE WERE SEEING DEVELOPMENTS COME IN WITH EVERYBODY HAVING A SIX FOOT.

AND IT FEELS LIKE IT IS OPPRESSIVE.

THERE'S CERTAINLY A PLACE FOR IT.

BRIDGE PARK IS FULL OF, UM, NOT LARGE LOT LINES, RIGHT? THE LOT COVERAGE, THE TREE LINE, THE SIDEWALKS, THE SETBACKS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS CONTRIBUTE TO THAT PUBLIC FEEL.

AND SO THAT THEY'RE COMPOUNDING.

I, I AM ONE VOICE OF SEVEN.

I I COULD BE.

NOW, IF I WERE STICKLER, I WOULD SAY, OKAY, SIX FOOT SET, SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES SIDE, SETBACKS HAVE TO BE EXACT.

I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT A SIX FOOT SET SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE.

AGAIN, IT IS, IF, IF I PLAY THAT OUT AND DEVELOP THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES INTO THE SAME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, YEAH, IT, IT WOULD KIND OF BE A PAIN IF I WERE TO LIVE THERE.

I HAVE THE, THE SAME EXPERIENCE AS THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT EARLIER WHERE, YEAH, ONCE YOU HAVE KIDS, IT'S KIND OF A PAIN.

BUT I COULD DO THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE.

STAFF HAS ALREADY SAID, HEY, WE CAN DO THE TREE LAWN.

THAT'S NARROWER.

SIDE YARD SETBACKS.

I GOTTA HAVE THE 14.

WE, WE LOOKED AT DEVELOPMENTS OF SIX AND SIX, AND THEY'RE HARD, ESPECIALLY THE APPLICANT SAID, WE'RE LOOKING AT LARGER HOMES ON SMALLER LOTS THAT ALREADY KIND OF SETS THE TONE, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT SMALLER.

STILL, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT, UH, SHARED USE PATH.

CITY HAS TO MAINTAIN IT.

THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO GO IN AND, AND TRUDGE THROUGH THE MUD AND WALK THROUGH THE STORM AND EVERYTHING.

I THINK THAT IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO KEEP THOSE PEOPLE HAPPY.

WE LIKE DUBLIN, WE LIKE LIVING IN DUBLIN.

WE LIKE HAVING AMAZING EMPLOYEES.

IF THEY ASK FOR, HEY, I NEED THIS TO DO MY JOB TO THE, THE BEST LEVEL, IN MY OPINION, I THINK THAT, THAT I NEED TO RESPECT THAT.

UH, I, I APPRECIATE THE DILIGENCE, THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT WENT INTO THE PLAN.

I THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE AMAZING.

I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF MY COMMENTS THAT, THAT WE DON'T GET THESE VERY OFTEN.

THIS IS, THIS IS A TREAT.

UH, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WITH, UM, WITH THE NEXT PHASE TO HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION.

I HEARD FROM A FEW DIFFERENT COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT THEY, THEY, AND THEY DIDN'T SAY IT.

I'M PARAPHRASING.

IT'D BE REALLY NICE IF WE HAD A, A MAP THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED THE BUILDING ENVELOPE WHERE A BUILDING COULD BE NOT THE FLOOR PLAN, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA SELECT WHAT PROPER, WHAT BUILDING ON, BUT AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT THE SETBACKS.

SO ESSENTIALLY A TRANSLATION OF, I THINK IT'S PAGE 11, WHERE IT HAS EACH LOT SAYS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE SETBACK IS, THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS, BUT A TRANSLATION INDIVIDUAL FORM.

BECAUSE THAT STARTS TO GET AT THE WHAT IS THE PUBLIC REALM LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THIS ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE IF YOUR BOOTS ON THE GROUND? UH, I'M, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIN BRICK, ESPECIALLY IN A DEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE SAYING, HEY, THESE ARE INCREDIBLY HIGH QUALITY HOMES.

WE'VE HAD BUILDINGS WITHIN BRICK FALLS OFF, AND THAT'S AN APPLICATION AS MUCH AS A PRODUCT.

IT'S, IT'S NOT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

BUT I, I LIKE THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN, IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.

I'M AMBIVALENT ON HOA OWNERSHIP VERSUS CITY OWNERSHIP.

I WOULD ACTUALLY DE DEFER TO THE CITY WHO IS GOING TO MAINTAIN IF IT GOES THAT WAY.

UH, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, DEVELOPMENT TEXT BECOMES CODE.

AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT RIGHT BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY IT IS THE LANGUAGE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL DEVELOP UNDER.

I THINK WE HAVE SOME, UH, REDUNDANT OR DUPLICATE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, NAMELY IN, UH, PAGE 10 WITH THE WHAT CONSTITUTES LOT COVERAGE CALLING OUT PERGOLAS, THOSE SORT OF THINGS IN 13 WITH THE PUBLIC STREET STANDARDS.

UH, PAGE 18 WITH MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT, PAGE 19 ON FENCES.

AND THEN WE HAVE ON PAGE 13, WE HAVE CROSSWALK.

WE HAVE A CLAUSE FOR AN EVENT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, CROSSWALK CONSTRUCTION TO BE COORDINATED WITH THE CITY.

I WOULD EITHER SAY AD LANGUAGE TO THAT ON TIMING AND LOCATION AND EVERYTHING, OR TAKE IT AWAY SINCE IT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT ANYWAY.

UH, AND THEN BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT ALSO RELATES TO THE

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CONDITIONS THAT ARE LISTED, WE NEED TO MAKE A MATCH, RIGHT? SO WHATEVER THE DEVELOPMENT COMES, TEXT COMES BACK AS NEEDS TO MATCH WHATEVER THE COMMISSION'S DECISION IS THIS EVENING.

AGAIN, I'M ONE OF SEVEN, SO I HAVE A ONE SEVENTH VOTE, BUT WHATEVER THE COMMISSION LANDS ON, WHEN WE SEE THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, AGAIN, IT NEEDS TO MATCH WHAT THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE, THE COMMISSION IS MOVING FORWARD.

UH, THE LAST ONE IS, UH, BACK TO THE, THE, THE PUBLIC REALM.

THAT FEELING RIGHT OF WAY, UH, AGAIN, I'M WILLING TO SACRIFICE THAT, THAT ONE SIDE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, NOT THE OTHER SIDE, SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, BUT HOW THAT AFFECTS THE RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT OF WAY STANDARD.

IF THAT'S 50 FEET, THEN, THEN AGAIN, WE'D WANNA SEE THAT THAT TRANSLATES TO THE BUILD ENVELOPE.

AND THAT MAP, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE PUDS ARE, ARE A GIVE AND TAKE, RIGHT? THERE'S A HIGHER QUALITY GIVEN IN ONE AREA FOR A SACRIFICE IN ANOTHER.

AND, AND REALLY WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT NOT JUST THE INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS, THOSE 20 PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS, UH, SORRY, 20 HOMES THAT ARE DEVELOPED IN THIS, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO HOW THE PUBLIC INTERACTS WITH THAT.

SO LOOKING BACK TO THE COMMISSION, UH, MR, WE BROUGHT UP AN ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION.

I BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION.

WERE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSION INDIVIDUALLY WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER? DO WE WANT TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THOSE? ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

BECAUSE I, I, I'D LIKE TO GET THE LIST AND THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH AND HAVE, DO YOU WANNA WAIT THEN TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ITEM THAT YES, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE'RE ADDING ANY OTHER ITEMS TO THE LIST.

THEN LET'S, ARE, ARE WE REMOVING ITEMS TOO, FROM THE LIST? CORRECT.

IS THAT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION? I'M SORRY? ARE WE, WE'RE REMOVING ITEMS FROM THE LIST AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, CORRECT? YES.

SO IT'S, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING ITEMS TO THE LIST, AND THEN WE WILL VOTE ON ALL OF THE ITEMS, WHETHER THEY STAY OR WHETHER THEY GO.

SO MR, WE, UM, YOUR FIRST ITEM, IF YOU WANNA JUST LIST THAT SO THAT I CAN GET THEM ALL DOWN SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THEM.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORD IT, BUT THAT THE, THE BRIGHT ROADS, UM, THE, THE HOMES, THE HOMES ALONG BRIGHT ROAD, THE, THE FOUR LOTS BE, UM, GIVEN EXTRA ATTENTION TO HOW THEY AS A GROUP RELATE TO EACH OTHER AS THEY FRONT BRIGHT ROAD, OR NOT FRONT, BUT AS THEY, YOU MEAN LIKE RELATE TO EACH OTHER, RELATE TO BRIGHT ROAD.

IT'S HOW THEY RELATE TO BRIGHT ROAD, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO A CONSISTENT RELATIONSHIP TO BRIGHT ROAD YEAH.

AMONG THOSE FOUR HOMES.

BECAUSE THE WAY THE LOTS ARE, YOU'VE GOT DEEP LOTS AND THE SHALLOW LOTS, AND THEY'RE, THEY COULD BE ALL, AND, AND AGAIN, I, I'M STRUCK BY THE RENDERING AND THE PACKAGE THAT SHOWS THIS NICE HOUSING EDGE ALONG BRIGHT ROAD, WHICH KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF BRIGHT ROAD, THERE'S A SERIES OF HOUSES THAT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP TO BRIGHT ROAD THAT IS, IS INTERESTING.

SO DO, DO YOU WANNA WAIT TO TALK ABOUT THAT OR DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT IT NOW? ? LET'S GET IT ON THE LIST FIRST.

YEAH, LIST FIRST.

SO I THINK, WELL, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I, SO, SO THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS, YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU WANT THOSE HOMES TO FRONT WHERE THEY'RE FRONT FACING ON BRIGHT, THEY JUST WANNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME RELATIONSHIP TO BRIGHT.

I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THAT IS NOT, THOSE LOTS ARE NOT FRONTING CORRECT.

SO YOU CAN'T, THAT'S NOT A FRONT YARD, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THE STREET THAT THERE'D BE SOME KIND OF CONSISTENCY.

SO THEN THE FIRST ITEM ON MINE IS THE REDUNDANT STANDARD DEVELOPMENT TEXT ITEMS IN THE, SORRY, THE REDUNDANT STANDARD CODE ITEMS THAT ARE ALSO ADDRESSED IN THE, IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.

I, I WISH TO REMOVE THEM SO THAT THERE'S NOT POTENTIAL CONFLICT, RIGHT.

CONFLICT OR ANY KIND OF AMBIGUITY THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED A DIFFERENT WAY.

THE NEXT ONE THAT I HAD WAS, UM, UH, MATERIALS I NAMED THIN BRICK.

AND THEN I ALSO BROUGHT UP THE, THE BUILD ZONE TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENTATION AT THE NEXT PHASE.

I HEARD THAT FROM A FEW PEOPLE.

SORRY, WOULD YOU CLARIFY? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND.

SO WE HAVE A, A FEW ILLUSTRATIONS WITH STANDARD RECTANGLES CALLED OUT, RIGHT? MORE DEFINITION AROUND THE, WHAT I'M GOTCHA.

WHAT I'M REQUESTING IS THAT RATHER THAN THE RECTANGLES HAVING AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE POTENTIAL BUILD ENVELOPE, SO ESSENTIALLY TRANSLATE WHAT'S IN, I THINK IT'S PAGE 11, THAT INDIVIDUAL, LOTS OF TEXT INTO A VISUAL.

THANKS.

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AND THEN, UM, THE LAST ONE IN THAT I HAD WAS THE, THE SUBJECTIVE ITEMS, THE LANGUAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, LIKE ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE, APPROPRIATE OR SETBACK WITH NO MEASUREMENT OF ANY.

SO ESSENTIALLY THAT BE ADDRESSED IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE ITEMS, OF COURSE, ON THE LIST OF CONDITIONS PROVIDED.

SO THINKING BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, DON'T THEY GIVE, UM, FAIRLY SPECIFIC GUIDANCE ON LIKE, THE SETBACK OF GARAGES? IS THERE SOME REFERENCE TO ENSURING THAT I, I'M GOOD WITH TAKING IT OUT TOO, IF WE COVER IT IN DIFFERENT TEXT.

I, I THINK THE GARAGE HAS THE, THAT'S NUMBER SEVEN, RIGHT? I THINK ON THE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE GARAGE SETBACKS, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, KIM? YEAH, I JUST WONDERED IF IT, THERE WAS REFERENCE TO THE, TO NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.

WAS IT THE MINIMUM SETBACKS? NO.

UH, SO THIS ONE IS WHEN, UH, THE TEXT WAS SOMETHING LIKE WHEN THE GARAGE IS FRONT FACING, IT SHALL BE SET BACK FROM THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOME, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY HOW MUCH IT JUST SAYS SETBACK.

BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, DON'T THEY, I THINK THEY HAVE A REFERENCE TO.

DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW? I CAN QUICKLY LOOK UP.

I, I THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES TALK ABOUT THAT AS A DESIRE, BUT THEY WOULDN'T ESTABLISH WHAT THAT SETBACK IS AS A REGULATORY MATTER, WHETHER IT'S ONE FOOT OR SIX FEET, WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER THAT MAYBE THE APPLICANT AND STAFF CAN ARRIVE AT.

SO IF WE COULD PUT THE CONDITIONS UP AND THEN I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN THE OTHER ONES FOR DISCUSSIONS SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THEM.

SO, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH KIND OF, ESSENTIALLY AND JUST TAKE THEM IN TURN ONCE THEY'RE DISPLAYED.

MR. CHINOOK, DO YOU WANNA START? THERE WE GO.

AM I APPRO? SORRY, AM I APPROVING? WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY STRAW PULLING.

YES, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF NUMBER ONE.

NO, I'M GOT IT.

YOU KNOW THAT.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NUMBER ONE REMOVED, UM, NOT SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

UM, AND I CAN BLANKETLY SAY, UM, IN AGREEMENT WITH THE REST OF THE COMMENTS.

MS. HARDER, UH, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

MR. CHINNOCK, THE, THE ONES THAT WE COVERED ALSO, SO BRIGHT ROAD DEVELOPMENT TEXT ADDRESSING THE, SORRY, THE BRIGHT ROAD ADJACENT HOMES? YES.

SORRY, YES.

APPROVED.

UH, YES, I'M AGREEMENT ON THOSE.

THOSE AS WELL DONE.

THIN BRICK, YES.

VISUAL AND THEN THE SUBJECTIVE ITEMS. YES, I'M AGREEMENT WITH THAT AS WELL TOO.

MR. WE, SO I, YOUR MIC, CORRECT.

SO I, ON THE FIRST ONE, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE.

OF THE STREET.

UM, NUMBER TWO, I DO, I, UM, I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE CONNECTED SHARED USE PATH, AND I THINK I'M IN SUPPORT OH, THE, THE 40 FOOT, UH, AT LOT WITH, I, I DON'T, I I, I CAN GO EITHER WAY ON THAT ONE.

I THINK IT'S, UM, I GUESS I WOULD SAY I SUPPORT THAT AND EVERY, AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE.

THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT ADDRESS BRIGHT ROAD ADJACENT HOMES.

MR. ALEXANDER, I WANNA TALK ABOUT, OOPS, I WANT, I'LL GO THROUGH THIS, BUT I WANNA TALK ABOUT MR. WAY'S SUGGESTION BECAUSE THAT, I THINK THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.

UH, BUT NUMBER ONE, I AM AGAINST EVERYTHING ELSE I SUPPORT, BUT I THINK KIM, YOUR SUGGESTION NEEDS TO BE QUALIFIED BECAUSE THE CONDITIONS OF THE LOTS ARE SO DIFFERENT ON BRIGHT ROAD BECAUSE TWO OF THEM, MARK THE GATEWAY, THOSE HOUSES SHOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE TWO THAT THEY'RE ADJACENT TO THAT THAT, SO IF YOU COULD CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE.

SO IT WAS, AND, AND I THINK IT'S MORE, IT MAY BE MORE APPEALING TO THOSE LOTS TO CONNECT WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT'S BEING CREATED.

SO, SO I THINK, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE GOAL HERE.

SO I THINK IF YOU CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE, SO IT SAYS THEY SOMEWAY ADDRESS MAYBE IT'S WALLS OR MAYBE THEY SOMEWAY ADDRESS BRIGHT, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM ADDRESS IT IN THE SAME WAY THE THE PROPOSED RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVEN'T ASKED THE APPLICANT IF HE'S ACCEPTING OF THESE YET.

THIS IS JUST US KIND OF DELIBERATING SPITBALLING.

THE WAY THAT I HAVE IT DOCUMENTED FROM MR. W'S COMMENT IS

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SO IT DOESN'T SAY IT ADDRESSES THEM IN THE SAME WAY.

FINE, BECAUSE THAT'S, AS LONG AS IT'S JUST, WE WANT IT CALLED OUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.

WHAT DOES THE DEVELOPER EXPECT THIS TO LOOK LIKE? OKAY.

AS LONG AS IT'S VAGUE ENOUGH THAT THERE, I THINK YOU DON'T WANT FOUR HOMES FACING BRIGHT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.

NO, I THINK, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANY, THAT'S WHAT MY, MY QUESTION WAS.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT, I DON'T THINK THAT KIM'S NOT LOOKING FOR THE HOMES TO FACE BRIGHT ROAD.

HE JUST WANTS TO HAVE, WHERE IF SOMEBODY'S DRIVING BY THROUGH THE TREES, THEY'RE NOT SO DISCONNECTED.

YOU'RE SEEING A BACKYARD WITH A GRILL SITTING THERE.

THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF CONNECTEDNESS WITH THE, WITH THE ROAD.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT A COMMONALITY OF, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE MATERIALS ON THOSE FOUR HOUSES MAY BE, ARE, THERE'S A COMMONALITY THERE, THERE'S SOME ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT MIGHT BE COMMON.

I THINK LEAVING IT A LITTLE BIT VAGUE SO THAT THERE'S SOME CREATIVITY IN IT, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M SEEING THAT THERE COULD BE A REAL DIS DISPERSITY OF HOW THOSE HOUSES RELATE TO BRIGHT ROAD.

SO THEN I'M, THEN I SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.

KEEP IT VAGUE.

GARY, DO YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING WHERE IT'S LIKE YOU ADDED SOMETHING ELSE FOR THE OTHER TWO LOTS? NO, I DON'T WANT, NOT ONLY THEY HAVE A GREAT TEAM AND, AND THEY, THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO AS LONG AS IT'S, AS LONG AS UM, IT'S OPEN ENOUGH TO ACCOMPLISH THEIR GOALS AS A DEVELOPMENT, BUT STILL RELATE.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

YOU'RE TRYING TO LINK IT BACK THE ARCHITECTURE SOME WAY.

YEAH, I, I THINK IT'S, I I THINK IT'S FINE.

AND THEN MR. ALEXANDER, JUST ONE CLARIFYING, WAS IT NUMBER ONE THAT YOU WERE A NO ON, OR NUMBER TWO THAT YOU WERE A NO ON? NO, IT'S, IT'S NUMBER ONE.

THAT NUMBER ONE'S THE ONLY ONE I'M A NO ON.

THANK YOU MR. DASHER.

THE, THE ONE, ONE THING I WANNA BRING UP, REBECCA, IS THE, THE REQUEST ABOUT PUTTING THE LOT, LIKE YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE THE, WHAT YOU WANT, WHAT YOU WOULD THINK THE LOT WOULD LOOK LIKE, JUST THE BUILDABLE ENVELOPE.

ON THE MAP, I WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY IN THEORY, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL LOT OWNERS YET, THAT THEY'RE, THEY MAY, THAT MAY CHANGE.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

THEY, ARE YOU LOOKING JUST LIKE THE ACTUAL, LIKE, LIKE YOU WANT A, A GUIDELINE OF THE SPECIFIC DETAIL OF THE BUILDABLE AREA WHERE YOU COULD PUT A HOME WHERE IT SAYS LIKE ALL AROUND, SO, OR WHAT YOU THINK THE SHAPE OR STYLE OF THE HOME SHOULD BE? NOT THE SECOND ONE.

ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'VE SEEN OTHER APPLICATIONS RECENTLY, EVEN WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THE ACTUAL PLATTED LOT, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SETBACKS VISUALIZED.

ANY EASEMENTS ARE CALLED OUT.

AND SO THEN YOU ACTUALLY SEE WHERE COULD THE HOME BE CITED.

NOT WHICH HOME IT IS.

I THAT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M ON THE SAME PAGE.

FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I AM NOT SUPPORTIVE OF 1, 2, 3, AND SIX AND THE REST.

UH, SO FOUR, FIVE, AND SEVEN.

AND THEN THE ONES THAT ARE ADDED, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF.

THANK YOU, MR. GARVIN.

I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE WITHOUT CONDITION ONE, AND UM, I COULD GO EITHER WAY ON THREE AND EITHER WAY ON MR. WA, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO.

UH, SO STRAW POLL, WELL, LET ME REVISIT NUMBER ONE STRAW POLL RIGHT NOW, NUMBER ONE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT, UH, APPEARS DOES NOT HAVE THE COMMISSION SUPPORT.

I'D LIKE TO READDRESS, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF ITEMS PROPOSED.

WE'VE HAD, WE'RE OKAY WITH FIVE FEET, WE'RE OKAY WITH FIVE FEET.

IF IT'S BRICK, WE'RE OKAY WITH ONE SIDE, SIX FEET THAT ARE NOT THE TWO SIDE SIX FEET.

SO I'M GONNA START WITH THE SIX FEET.

IF YOU WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE SIX FOOT ONE SIDE.

CAN YOU INDICATE ? IT'S A FOOT.

I KNOW IT'S A FOOT.

IT FEELS, I'M GONNA ASK THE FIVE FOOT ALSO, SO IT, IT, IT SIX FEET STILL FEELS TOO WIDE TO ME.

I, I, AGAIN, I KNOW IT GOES AGAINST, YOU KNOW, T TYPICAL, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE THE FOUR TO FIVE FOOT BRICK SIDEWALK FEEL FITS WITHIN THE CHARACTER.

FOUR TO FIVE FOOT.

I'M STILL, AGAIN, SIX FOOT IS THE STANDARD.

I'D LIKE TO KEEP AT LEAST HALF THE STANDARD BEING SIX FOOT ON ONE SIDE, , FOUR TO FIVE FEET.

I LIKE FOUR FEET BRICK OR A PAVER, FOUR OR FIVE.

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SO THEN WHAT I HAVE IS I HAVE, UH, IF WE HAVE THE CONDITIONS, I HAVE NUMBER ONE AT, UH, FOUR TO FIVE FOOT BRICK.

I HAVE NUMBER TWO AS IT STANDS, NUMBER THREE AS IT STANDS AGAIN, AND I'M GOING AT LEAST FOUR ON THE COMMISSION.

NUMBER TWO AS IT STANDS, NUMBER THREE AS IT STANDS, FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX AS THEY STAND AN ADDITION OF BRIGHT ROAD, UH, SORRY, DEVELOPMENT TEXT ADDRESS, BRIGHT ROAD ADJACENT HOMES.

AND I'LL DO THIS AGAIN, ZACH , REMOVAL OF THE REDUNDANT STANDARDS, REMOVAL OF THIN BRICK AS A PERMITTED REMOVAL OR CLARIFICATION OF SUBJECTIVE ITEMS. AND AGAIN, I CAN GIVE, UM, PAGE NUMBERS AND I THINK THAT IS IT.

SORRY, DO WE NEED TO REVISE TWO TO ACCOMMODATE THE POSSIBILITY OF IT NOT BEING, WE ONLY HAD TWO NOS ON THAT.

NO, I MEANT DO WE NEED TO QUALIFY THAT STATEMENT TO SAY, UM, MAINTENANCE STANDARDS OR MATERIAL? I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BECAUSE WE TALKED, WE DISCUSSED, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE PAVED IF THEY CAN WORK WITH THE, IS THAT CONVOLUTING THIS, SO WE ONLY HAD TWO PEOPLE WHO SAID THEY WEREN'T SUPPORTIVE OF NUMBER TWO AS IT WAS WRITTEN.

SO IF I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

WE CAN LET IT GO.

SORRY, I WAS JUST, OKAY.

DO YOU WANNA CHANGE YOUR VOTE? YOU COULD QUALIFY THE MATERIAL NOW.

I MEAN, YOU COULD SAY IT SHOULD BE SHARED USE BUT NOT ASK.

ALL I WAS GONNA SAY IS TO BE, SINCE EVERYBODY'S SUPPORTIVE OF THAT COM MAJORITY WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT COMMENT BEING ON THERE, DO WE WANT TO QUALIFY IT TO SAY THEY CAN ALSO WORK WITH MAINTENANCE FOR AN OPTION? BECAUSE WE WOULD BE WITHOUT, WE WOULD BE ALLOWING THEM TO WORK OUTSIDE OF THE MAINTENANCE CITY'S MAINTENANCE STANDARDS.

WE ALLOW THEM TO USE ANOTHER MATERIAL THAT, BUT I'M BE THINK THE COMMENT WAS YES.

UH, I'M LETTING IT GO.

I THINK THE COMMENT WAS THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.

YES, BUT THE REQUEST WAS ASPHALT.

ENGINEERING PLEASE.

THEY INDICATED BY A NOD OF THE HEAD.

CAN I ADDRESS ONE ITEM THAT WAS DISCUSSED, UM, REGARDING THE SIDEWALK? BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC SIDEWALK, I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH RECOMMENDING A CONDITION ON A MATERIAL, UM, WORK WITH STAFF TO ENTERTAIN MATERIAL.

THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

INCLUDING, YES, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN A PUBLIC STANDARD.

IF THIS WAS A PRIVATE SIDEWALK, THAT'D BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.

MORE FUL.

UM, WE'LL DE WE'LL OBVIOUSLY TAKE THIS CONVERSATION AND APPLY THAT AND WORK WITH, WITH PAUL AND JOSH HERE, UM, TO INCORPORATE THESE COMMENTS.

I SAW FOUR HEAD NODS, SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD THERE.

CORRECT ME IF I'M MISUNDERSTANDING.

HEAD NODS, .

AND, AND BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS, I'M GONNA INVITE YOU BACK UP AND, AND WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIALOGUE.

MR. BOGS, WE HAVE NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT, RIGHT? THE COMMISSION FIVE MINUTE BIO BREAK.

IF YOU WANT TO GO RESTROOM BREAK, THAT WILL GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, RECOVER FROM OUR BOOMERANGS THIS EVENING.

UH, SO WE WILL ADJOURN AND, AND RECONVENE IN FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

UH, NOW FOR CLARIFICATION, NUMBER ONE, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT RIGHT NOW.

CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT SAYS ON NUMBER ONE? IS THAT WHY IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT SAYS FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.

SO WE'VE REMOVED THAT CONDITION BECAUSE THE CURRENT PROPOSAL SHOWS FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.

SO THEN WE HAVE THROUGH FIVE, UH, OKAY, IF YOU COULD GO TO NEXT PAGE.

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HAS THE COMMISSION HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE? ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE INVITE THE APPLICANT BACK UP? ALRIGHT, SO THEN LOOKING TO THE APPLICANT, THE COMMISSION AFTER, AFTER DISCUSSION HAS ADDED AN ADDITIONAL FIVE CONDITIONS AND REMOVED ONE CONDITION FROM THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS EVENING.

ARE THERE ANY THINGS, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE HEARD THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAD EARLIER ON THE, THE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF, BUT IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL DETAILERS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION THAT YOU NEED IN RELATION TO THE EXISTING OR THE NEWLY ADDED CONDITIONS AND YOUR MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY NOT ON? WELL, ON THERE? I'M 1, 1 1 POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IF I MAY.

UM, MR. WAY MENTIONED THE, UM, THE SIDEWALK AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE CENTRAL COURT AND MS. HARDER MENTIONED THE GANG MAILBOXES.

THEY ARE ON THE SOUTH EDGE OF THAT CENTRAL COURT.

SO THAT WALKWAY IS MEANT TO GATHER PEOPLE SO THEY CAN GET TO THEIR MAILBOX ON FOOT.

SO THAT'S WHY THE SIDEWALK'S THERE AND THAT'S WHERE THE MAIL IS.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, UM, REMOVAL OF THIN BRICK HAS A PERMITTED BUILDING MATERIAL.

THERE'S PROBABLY AN OPPORTUNITY I I'VE SEEN ON CUSTOM HOMES OF USING THIN BRICK FOR TRIM MATERIALS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOR ENTIRE BUILDING FACADES BASIS OF CHIMNEYS OR WATER TABLES ON, ON STONE ELEVATIONS.

UM, SO COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT MAYBE NUMBER EIGHT, DO WE HAVE IN STANDARD ZONING, DO WE HAVE FIN BRICK AS A SECONDARY MATERIAL PERMITTED OR IS IT NOT PERMITTED AT ALL? LET ME DOUBLE CHECK IT.

IT IS PERMITTED ON FOUNDATIONS AS LIKE VENEER BRICK ON FOUNDATIONS.

WE'D, WE'D, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT ON HEADERS AS WELL FOR TRIM OVER WINDOWS AND DOORS, BUT, UM, SO THAT'S WHEN WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE, LITTLE LEEWAY, LEEWAY ON JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR CUSTOMERS ARE GONNA DEMAND AND WHAT THIS ARCHITECTURE'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

SO THAT'S WITH LIMITED UTILIZATION.

WOULD FULL DEPTH BRICK NOT BE FEASIBLE? ALL DEPENDS ON THE WALL SECTION AND THE CONSTRUCTION METHODS.

HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE CONTRARY TO ME.

MR. ALEXANDER, ONE OTHER COMMON USE OF THE THIN BRICK IS FREQUENTLY YOU'LL HAVE NON MASONRY CHIMNEYS THAT ARE, ARE EXITING A ROOF NOT ON THE SIDEWALL, BUT THEY'RE EXITING A ROOF.

THEY'RE NON MASONRY.

UM, THEY MAY BE A PREFAB UNIT.

THEY, THE, UH, DESIGNER WANTS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S MASONRY, BUT TO SUPPORT BRICK TWO FEET, IT REQUIRES A STEEL STRUCTURE TO DO THAT.

SO IN FAIRNESS, IF WE COULD SAY AS A SUBORDINATE OR SECONDARY MATERIAL, THAT WOULD GIVE THEM FLEXIBILITY TO USE IT IN LIKE THE HEADERS, WHICH IS COMMON AS WELL.

IT'S A FOUNDATION.

CHIMNEY PEN, CHIMNEYS ARE COMING THROUGH THE ROOF, NOT ON THE SIDE, BUT THERE ARE PLACES WHERE IT, AND IT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY IN A LOCATION LIKE THAT, IT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY THAT YOU CAN'T GO UP AND AND SEE THAT AND THEY MAKE CORNERS.

SO IF IT'S HANDLED RIGHT, IT'S, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL.

IT HOUSES OF THIS VALUE.

I MEAN, WHAT YOU WERE THINKING, YOU DON'T WANT THE THIN BRICK AS THE, THE PRIMARY BUILDING FACADE IN REALITY, RIGHT? WELL, IT, IT'S PRIMARY BUILDING FACADE OR TOTALITY OF THE UTILIZATION OR, I MEAN, EVEN IN THAT USE CASE, HAVING IT IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE IT'S NOT DIRECTLY INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE BY, BY NATURE OF IT BEING FAR AWAY MAKES IT VISUALLY NOT AS IMPACTFUL.

BUT IF THERE'S MAINTENANCE, IT MAKES IT MORE IMPACTFUL.

AND SO IT'S KIND OF THIS GIVE AND TAKE.

REALLY WHAT I GO BACK TO IS WE DON'T PERMIT IT IN MOST OF THE CITY.

WE'VE HAD IT BITE US ON SOME OF THE NEWER CONSTRUCTION.

AGAIN, I I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE MATERIAL ALONE, A LOT OF IT IS APPLICATION.

AND SO TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION, ESPECIALLY IN SUCH A UNIQUE AND

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I THINK I'D BE IN SUPPORT OF IT MATCHING WHATEVER THE NON PUD CURRENT SPECIFICATIONS ARE.

SO WHETHER IT'S JUST FOUNDATIONAL, I COULD SUPPORT THAT.

IF THERE'S WIDER USES, I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT IT.

IF I MAY, IF I MAY ADD MS. COLE, UM, I JUST HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE STANDARDS UP CURRENTLY, AND IN TERMS OF FINISH BUILDING MATERIALS, IT CALLS OUT WOOD BOARD AND SHAKE BRICK STONE, CULTURED STONE FIBER, CEMENT SIDING, STUC, OAK GLASS BLOCK AND VINYL AS PERMIT.

SO IT DOESN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN FULL DEPTH AND THIN BRICK.

OBVIOUSLY, IF THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS DESIRED BY THE COMMISSION, THAT CAN BE RESTRICTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.

SO IF, IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH STANDARD CODE BUILDING MATERIALS, THEN MY THIN BRICK, UH, OBJECTION GOES AWAY BECAUSE OF WHAT MR. HOUNSELL JUST MENTIONED.

SO FULL DEPTH BRICK AND THIN BRICK ARE BOTH BRICKS, THEREFORE, CORRECT.

FINE.

THAT'S FINE.

WE DON'T WANT VINYL THOUGH.

I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED VINYL, SO LET'S, LET'S BE CLEAR HERE.

, I NOT TO SAY THAT YOU WOULD DO THAT.

I, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING THAT, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO, AND I THINK THAT'S THE, THE DIFFERENCE HERE.

MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT COULD SAY PERMITTED MATERIALS EXCLUDING VINYL AND THEN WE, WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH OKAY.

THIN BRICK, BUT WE DON'T HAVE FINAL COOL.

UH, MADAM CHAIR, SHOULD I CON CONTINUE ON WITH YES.

OTHER ONES IF I MAY? YES.

WHILE, WHILE THEY'RE MAKING CHANGES, MR. WI, I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR POINT ON NUMBER NINE.

UH, I WILL SAY THIS, I THINK IT'S, UM, LOTS ONE AND 20 I THINK HAVE A RELATIONSHIP ONE TO THE OTHER ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE THAT IS THE CORRIDOR OPENING FOR THE ROADWAY LOT TWO AND 13.

YOU PROBABLY AREN'T EVEN GONNA SEE THAT THOSE HOMES ONE, NOT JUST WITH THE EXISTING, UH, NORWAY SPRUCE THAT ARE ALONG THE STREET, BUT OUR PLANTING PLANTS SUGGEST THAT WE'RE GONNA AUGMENT THAT BECAUSE THOSE NORWAY SPRUCE AREN'T GONNA BE THERE FOREVER.

AND IT ISN'T JUST ABOUT PUTTING IN MORE NORWAY SPRUCE BECAUSE I WOULDN'T DO THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE AUGMENTING THOSE WITH MIDDLE STORY AND LOWER STORY PLANTS PROBABLY OF, OF, UH, CERTAINLY OF INDIGENOUS MATERIAL.

SO I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE EVEN GONNA BE VISIBLE.

MY SENSE OF THINGS, CERTAINLY THE, THE CERTAINLY ONE AND 20.

AND I, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, HOW THOSE TWO ADDRESS AND CREATE SOME SET SENSE OF THRESHOLD.

AND AGAIN, I'M NOT LOOKING TO CORDON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OFF, BUT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT IT'S ALREADY CORDONED OFF WITH BIG TREES JUST SAYING.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THE, IS THE LANGUAGE YOU'RE GENERAL ENOUGH THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO JUST RESTRICT IT TO TWO AND 20? SO IF I MAY, ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, ALL IT SAYS IS THAT THE TEXT ADDRESSES THOSE LOTS.

IF THE TEXT SAYS ON TWO AND 13 THERE'S GONNA BE VEGETATIVE SCREENING.

GOT IT.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT THEN THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF NUMBER NINE.

AGREED.

IF IN FACT THOSE, THE, THE REAR OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE VISIBLE, WE CERTAINLY WOULD ADDRESS THOSE ARCHITECTURALLY, BUT I THINK IT'S A NON-ISSUE.

BUT I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT MADAM CHAIR.

UH, UH, SHOW CONCEPTUAL BUILDING ENVELOPES, WE CAN DO THAT.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, STAFF AND I HAD THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT DO WE SHOW ALL OF OUR SETBACKS IN OUR PER LOT RESTRICTIONS ON THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR DO WE LIST THEM IN THIS TEXT AND NOW WE GOT A FOOT AND TWO CANOES.

SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA DRAW THESE BLOODY THINGS AND THEN EVERYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE THESE BUILDING ENVELOPES LIE.

AND THEN WITH STAFF, I'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, THAT ONE, UH, COMPLEX DIMENSION OF MAXIMUM BUILDING DEPTH, WHICH, UH, I'LL LET STAFF MAKE ME SMART ON THAT, BUT WHATEVER IT TAKES, WE'LL GRAPHICALLY SHOW THOSE.

TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK, ONE SIDE.

UH, HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THE TEXT AND, AND UH, FINE TUNE IT.

UH, GOT THAT, GET THAT.

UM, COULD WE GO BACK TO THOSE FIRST? UH, ONCE AGAIN, THERE YOU GO.

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THIS IS YOUR DEVELOPMENT TEXT RIGHT NOW.

GOVERNS THE GOTCHA SIZE OF THE SIDEWALK.

BRILLIANT.

UM, SO SHARED USE PATH.

WE ARE IN FACT GOING TO HAVE A CONNECTED SHARE USE PATH, SHARED USE PATH, CORRECT.

I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS OFFLINE WITH ENGINEERING AS TO WHAT THE MAINTENANCE PORTION OF THAT SHARED USE PATH NEEDS TO BE.

I THINK IT IS A WASTE OF GOOD CAPITAL TO PUT IN HEAVY DUTY PAVEMENT FOR A, A, A, A MULTI-USE TRAIL.

BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH STAFF IF IT'S OKAY WITH COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GONNA CONNECT POINT A TO POINT B AND DO THAT AS GENTLY AND AS TASTEFULLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND I'M SEEING THREE, DO I SEE A FOURTH HEAD NOD? OKAY, YOU GOT FOUR A A WE'RE AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY TO ADJUST THOSE LOTS ON THREE I WE DON'T FEEL AS IF IT'S UH, NECESSARY, BUT WE WILL ADJUST LOT LINES TO SHOW THAT 40 FOOT FRONTAGE UNIFORM TREE LAWN.

NOW THAT WE'VE GOT I THINK THE, UM, SIDEWALK DIMENSION SATISFIED, WE NOW KNOW THAT THAT WHEEL FIT WITHIN THE 40 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE HAVE FOR STREET B.

THAT ALLOWS US NOW TO FINE TUNE EXACTLY WHERE EDGES OF PAVEMENT ARE AND TREES ARE AND THAT WILL BE UNIFORM.

SO UNDER UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, YEAH, YEAH, YOU WERE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH AND, UM, TALK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE DEVELOPMENT TEXT ISSUES AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, UM, THE PLAIN GEOMETRY OF THESE LOT MATRIX METRICS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, ANY, AGAIN, CLARIFICATION FOR THE COMMISSION, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT DOES NOT COMMIT TO BRICK, IT COMMITS TO A CONCRETE SIDEWALK.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU REMEMBER YOU SAID YOU LIKE BRICK , SO THIS DOES NOT COMMIT THEM TO DOING BRICK.

JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.

UH, AND STAFF HAD A CONCERN WITH THE MATERIAL AND SO IT WAS A TO BE DISCUSSED ITEM.

IF WE WANNA PUT THAT IN THE CON, UH, THAT'S ADDING BACK IN THE CONDITION ONE THAT'S JUST A DISCUSS WITH AND ALIGN ON THE MATERIAL OF THE SIDEWALK.

SO IT'S NOT COMMITTING TO ANYTHING, BUT, BUT I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED.

IT MENTIONS THAT THERE THE POSSIBILITY OF BRICK.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO IT'S IN THE, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US, SELFISHLY SPEAKING, IS THAT WE GET THE DIMENSION SATISFIED.

WE KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT OF WAY IS.

WE GOT IT ON ONE SIDE, WHAT THE MATERIAL IS.

UM, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT IS NO PUN INTENDED, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED DOWN THE ROAD.

I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH MR WAY, BUT IF THE FIVE FOOT WIDTH WAS CONTINGENT ON IT BEING AN ELEVATED BRICK MATERIAL, THEN THAT COULD CHANGE THE, THE PERSUASION OF THE COMMISSION IS THAT AGAIN, I WAS JUST CLARIFYING IT FOR THE COMMISSIONS.

THEY KNEW THAT THAT'S NOT A COMMITMENT BY THE APPLICANT.

I'D SUGGEST GIVEN THEIR OBJECTION TO THE MATERIALS, THAT IT'S PROBABLY OKAY THAT IT, IT'S OPEN TO THAT DISCUSSION AS IS.

WE CAN PROBABLY LEAVE IT OFF IF YOU GUYS WOULD AGREE.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

ALRIGHT, ANY FINAL DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY.

I WILL ENTERTAIN TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.

THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE APPROVAL OF REZONING AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, OR, UM, RECOMMENDING REZONING TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS DISCUSSED AND WORKED ON THIS EVENING.

SO MOVED.

THANK YOU MR WAY.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER.

THANK YOU MR. MAXWELL.

POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

CAN I CONFIRM WITH STAFF? I HAVE 11 CONDITIONS.

GREAT.

OKAY, MS. HARDER? YES.

THERE ARE 10 CONDITIONS WITH THE ONE NUMBER ONE REMOVED.

I DO WANNA BE CLEAR THOUGH 'CAUSE I NEVER ACTUALLY SAID YES.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT I AM SUPPORT OF THIS MOVING FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DO NOT BELIEVE CONDITIONS TWO, THREE, AND SIX SHOULD BE INCLUDED.

TWO, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL OF APPROVAL WITH, UH, OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH THE CONDITIONS AS DISCUSSED.

THANK YOU MR. DESLER.

THANK YOU MS. MAXWELL.

UM, ON MOTION NUMBER

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I'LL MOVE.

THANK YOU MR. DESLER.

MR. WADE, WAS THAT A SECOND, RIGHT? MS. CALL? YES.

THANK YOU, MS. MAXWELL, YOU'RE GOING OFF SUPER FAST TODAY.

THANK YOU, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING.

YOUR MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON NOW.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

APPRECIATE ALL THE BRAIN DAMAGE AND STAFF AND ALL THEIR HELP.

SO WE'LL GET TOGETHER WITH STAFF, GET THESE CLEANED UP, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ON, ON THE CITY COUNCIL.

WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.

CAN'T WAIT.

AND GENTLEMEN, REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 1 53 DASH 0 0 2 1 53 0 48, 1 53 0 66, 1 53 1 76, REGARDING THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, 1 53 0 37 THROUGH 42, AND 1 53, 2 36 REGARDING THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT.

WAIT, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.

IT IS FOR CODE AMENDMENTS.

SO IF YOU ARE EXITING, UH, WE DO INVITE YOU IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSIONS, THIS BECOMES AN ECHO CHAMBER.

SO IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSIONS, IF YOU COULD BE BY THE KITCHEN OR AFTER, OTHERWISE, IT ECHOES THROUGH THE ROOM.

ALL RIGHT, LADIES

[Case #25-005ADMC Code Amendments]

AND FINALLY, 1 53 0.1 58 REGARDING TEMPORARY SIGNS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.

MR. SHAW, I'LL TURN SOME TIME OVER TO YOU ON THE, THE TITILLATING, UM, DISCUSSION ITEMS OF OUR CONCEPT PLAN, TEMPORARY SIGNS, AND ELSE OUR MAIN EVENT.

YES, YES.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME.

THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE THIS BOARD.

UM, BACK IN NOVEMBER, WE HAD DISCUSSED THESE, UH, VERY CONCEPTUAL CODE AMENDMENTS THAT WE WERE GONNA BRING FORWARD.

AND THIS IS BASED, UM, ON SEVERAL INITIATIVES THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN ON OVER THE PAST YEAR.

IT'S ALMOST BEEN A YEAR TO THIS DAY WHERE WE STARTED, UM, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS MEETINGS, UM, BUT THE FOUR TOPICS THAT WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON, AND WE'RE REALLY ONLY FOCUSED ON THREE TODAY.

UM, WE'RE GONNA SAVE THE BEST ONE FOR LAST WITH PUBLIC NUISANCES FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

UH, BUT WE'RE GONNA REVIEW CONCEPT PLAN WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT USES, AND THEN THE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE.

UM, JUST WITH A LITTLE BACKGROUND, I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS, BUT THE, THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY, WHICH IS TO MAKE DUBLIN'S DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES MORE TRANSPARENT AND PREDICTABLE.

UM, REDUCING UNCERTAINTY.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE HEARD, UH, BOTH INTERNALLY WITH THE CITY, UH, WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, BUT ALSO WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS, UM, THAT ARE BRINGING PROJECTS FORWARD AND TRYING TO DEVELOP WITHIN THE CITY.

SO KEEPING THOSE THINGS IN MIND AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE SERVICE.

HOW CAN WE MAKE THESE PROCESSES BETTER FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED? UM, AS STATED, WE WENT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH, UH, THERE WERE A FEW MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD THAT, UH, WERE IN ATTENDANCE FOR THAT ALL DAY EVENT, UH, WHERE WE WALKED AROUND AND TRIED TO IDENTIFY THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND WHAT WERE SOME, UH, POTENTIAL CHALLENGES THROUGHOUT THAT.

SO THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS, THERE WERE FIVE, UH, MAJOR ACTION ITEMS. SIX MAJOR THANK YOU, UH, SIX MAJOR ACTION ITEMS THAT WE IDENTIFIED.

UH, BUT REALLY WHAT WE WANNA FO FOCUS ON TONIGHT ARE THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND REVIEW PROCESSES.

UM, SO THROUGH THAT WE DID HAVE SOME STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK.

UM, SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, BUT SOMETHING THAT STAFF WORKED ON AS WELL.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY TWO THINGS.

CONCEPT PLAN AND DISCUSSING.

HOW DOES THE CONCEPT PLAN WORK WITHIN THE CITY? CURRENTLY IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO, UH, BUT ALSO SOME OF THE USES IN THE AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE WE WANNA SEE DEVELOPMENT BE DRIVEN THAT WE'RE JUST NOT SEEING AT THE MOMENT.

SO HOW DO WE OPEN THOSE DOORS AND BREAK DOWN SOME BARRIERS? SO THE FIRST IS THE CONCEPT PLAN BACKGROUND.

UH, THIS DID GO TO A RB, UM, LAST MONTH FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THIS DID IMPACT, THIS DOES IMPACT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT CURRENTLY, UM, EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY EXCEPT FOR THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THE MIXED USE REGIONAL DISTRICT.

EVERYWHERE ELSE.

CONCEPT PLAN IS A REQUIRED STEP, BUT THERE'S NO DETERMINATION.

UH, SO IT OPERATES LIKE AN INFORMAL, BUT IT IS A REQUIRED STEP.

UH, WHEREAS IN THESE THREE DISTRICTS, IT'S CURRENTLY A DETERMINATION.

UH, AND THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY,

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UM, BUT ALSO THOSE JUST WITH THE CITY, THAT THAT HAS CREATED SOME CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF THE CONSISTENCY OF THE REVIEW PROCESS, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT WORK IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS POINTED OUT TO US.

SO THE GOALS OF THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT ARE TO PROVIDE CONSISTENCY, ALLOW FOR A APPLICANT TO GAIN THEIR FEEDBACK WITHOUT BEING LOCKED IN AND, AND JUST CUTTING OUT A POTENTIAL STEP WITH THE INFORMAL, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF APPLICANTS THAT WILL COME FORWARD WITH AN INFORMAL, AND THEN THEY'LL BRING A CONCEPT PLAN.

AND REALLY THE, THE MATERIALS ARE NOT TOO FAR OFF.

UM, IT'S JUST THE CONCEPT PLAN DOESN'T REALLY OPERATE AS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW BECAUSE THERE IS A DETERMINATION THAT'S TIED TO IT.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE AT STAKE THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CUT OUT HERE.

UM, SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO MAKE THE CONCEPT PLAN STILL A REQUIRED STEP, BUT IT'S GONNA OPERATE LIKE THE PUD UH, SECTION WHERE IT IS JUST NON-BINDING FEEDBACK.

SO THEY'LL STILL BE BRINGING THAT FORWARD.

UM, THEY, WE JUST WOULD NOT BE MAKING A DETERMINATION.

THIS ALSO IMPACTS SOME PROJECTS, UM, LIKE THOSE THAT WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY WHERE A RECOMMENDATION IS MADE.

UH, THE CONCEPT PLAN WILL NO LONGER GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY REVIEWING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

SO THEY'RE SEEING THE CONCEPT.

UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF REDUNDANT AT THAT POINT.

SO THE, THE, WHEN IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, IT'S NOT THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S STILL JUST A, UH, NON-BINDING FEEDBACK STEP FOR US.

THE NEXT IS THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT.

UM, WE HAVE WORKED WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS AND WE JUST KICKED OFF A NEW STRATEGIC IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

UH, AND THROUGH THOSE EFFORTS, TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE BARRIERS THAT WE HAVE OUT HERE.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME INFRASTRUCTURE BARRIERS, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS DISCUSSION, WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UH, SOME USE BARRIERS OF THE, OF SEVERAL USERS THAT WE'RE IN CONTACT WITH FOR SEVERAL PROPERTIES OUT SPECIFICALLY IN THE ID TWO DISTRICT, THAT THE ASSEMBLY AND MANUFACTURING AS A CONDITIONAL USE IS A BARRIER, UH, IN TERMS OF OUR COMPETITIVENESS WITH OTHER DISTRICTS THROUGHOUT CENTRAL OHIO.

UM, SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS AND WORKING WITH OUR, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS IF WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THAT PERMITTED USE, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE, UH, THE CHARACTER AND INTENT OF THIS AREA, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN THAT WE RECENTLY ENACTED.

SO THE ONLY CHANGE WITH THIS IS TO MAKE ASSEMBLY MANUFACTURING A PERMITTED USE IN ID TWO.

NO OTHER DISTRICTS ARE CHANGING AT THIS POINT.

UH, THERE MAY BE SOME CHANGES IN THE FUTURE AS PART OF THIS INTEGRATED IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

THOSE WOULD NOT BE FOR A WHILE.

THIS IS JUST THE INITIAL CHANGE THAT WE IDENTIFIED.

SO THAT, I MEAN, THE CITY OWNS A LOT OF PROPERTY OUT HERE IN THIS DISTRICT, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MARKET THIS AND STILL ALIGN WITH THOSE GOALS.

UM, THERE'S ALSO AN UPDATE TO A DEFINITION FOR WHOLESALE, UM, AND DISTRIBUTION THAT WE'RE GONNA MODIFY BASED ON SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, JUST TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR.

UH, 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION WITH HOW THAT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN.

AND THEN FINALLY, UH, TEMPORARY SIGNS.

THIS IS SPECIFIC TO OUR SPECIAL EVENTS AND COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES.

THIS IS TO ALIGN WITH OUR CURRENT PRACTICES, UH, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT.

SO WE DID BRING THIS BACK IN 2021, HOWEVER, AFTER THIS WE REALIZED THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A FEW BIT, A FEW MORE MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THIS TEXT TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THOSE CITY EVENTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, SO THAT THOSE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS.

UH, SO WITH THIS, WE'VE UPDATED THE DEFINITION TO, OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS TO CLARIFY, UH, WHAT THAT LANGUAGE ACTUALLY IS.

AND THEN THESE PERMITS JUST GO DIRECTLY THROUGH OUR COMMUNI OR OUR COMMUNITY, UH, ENGAGEMENT TEAM AND OUR EVENT STAFF.

SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME THROUGH PLANNING ANYMORE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH HOW WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THINGS TODAY.

SO WITH THAT, UH, WE ARE REQUESTING A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL.

AGAIN, KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE, WE STILL HAVE TO BRING BACK THIS APPLICATION FOR THE PUBLIC NUISANCES, UH, LIKELY AT THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THAT, BUT YOU WOULD NOT SEE THESE, UH, MOVING FORWARD.

SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANKS.

THANK YOU, MR. HELSEL.

THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT

I'M LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS.

MR. WE, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE? I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

FANTASTIC, MS. HARDER? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

MR. CHINOOK? THAT WAS PERFECT.

ZACH, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

MR. ALEXANDER, I HATE TO BREAK A TREND, BUT ONCE, ONE QUESTION, I NOTICED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS REMOVED FROM, UM, PART OF THE, UM, APPROVAL PROCESS HERE.

SO WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL? DOES THAT JUST GO TO, UM, OR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? DOES THAT JUST GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND IT CUTS THIS OUT, WHICH IS FINE.

I'M RIGHT.

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IS DETERMINED BY CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS NEVER SEEN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.

THAT'S NEVER COME THROUGH HERE.

IT'S ONLY BEEN, IT'S JUST CHANGING THE NATURE OF THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW.

I SEE.

THANKS MR. DESLER? I'M GOOD.

THANKS MR. GARBIN? NOPE.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? , WE RECEIVED? ANY VIRTUALLY.

UM, THEN LOOKING FOR DELIBERATIONS.

SHOULD THERE BE ANY WITH NO QUESTIONS? I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO ONE BY ONE.

WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT BASED ON THE LA YOU KNOW, THIS MEETING WHAT ZACH EXPLAINED AND THEN WHAT WE, WE'VE HAD OTHER MEETINGS, THEY'VE WENT OVER IT APPROPRIATELY.

I THINK WE'RE ALL SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

SO JUST WANNA SAY IT.

THANKS ZACH.

APPRECIATE IT.

HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS FOR THIS EVENING? JUST ONE, UM, WITH THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND WHAT'S COMING UP? SO WE DO HAVE, UH, A COUPLE PLANNING CONFERENCES THAT ARE COMING UP IN APRIL AND MAY.

I WILL THEN ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING CODE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

THANK YOU, MS. HARDER.

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THE CITY DOES OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY TO THOSE THAT ARE INTERESTED, UH, TO GO OUT TO THESE PLANNING CONFERENCES.

UM, A PA, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL PLANNING ASSOCIATION, THEY ARE HAVING THE CONFERENCE IN DENVER, COLORADO THIS YEAR.

AND THAT IS BETWEEN, THAT IS FROM APRIL 29TH TO MAY 1ST.

SO THAT'S A SATURDAY TO A TUESDAY.

UM, AND THEN APAS IN APRIL.

WE'RE GOING TO THIS TOGETHER.

ALRIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO THIS TOGETHER AND I JUST DON'T KNOW.

UM, IT'S THE END OF MARCH, EARLY APRIL.

UM, I JUST HAD THOSE DATES INCORRECT.

AND ULI IS ALSO IN DENVER.

UM, AND THAT IS FROM MAY 12TH TO MAY 14TH.

WHAT'S THAT ONE? THAT IS ULI? IT IS THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE.

UM, SO IT'S NOT, IT, IT FOCUSES A LOT MORE ON REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT.

UM, WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, FOR US, A PA IS THE SPECIFIC PLANNING AFFILIATION, BUT ULI WE REPRESENT, UH, WE SEND PLANNERS TO BOTH FUNCTIONS AND THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY FRUITFUL DISCUSSION AND, UM, REALLY INTERESTING DIALOGUE AT BOTH.

THEY ARE, THEY'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

THERE IS SOME CROSSOVER, UM, BUT YOU DO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, UM, INPUT AND THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF, UH, TOURS AND, AND CLASSES THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER.

SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, PLEASE REACH OUT TO US, UM, RELATIVELY SOON.

I WOULD SAY, UH, JUST 'CAUSE THOSE DATES ARE COMING UP, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME WITH ULI, UM, BUT WITH A PA SINCE I END OF MARCH, NOT APRIL.

UM, JUST LET US KNOW, UH, ARE THEY GONNA OFFER ANY VIRTUAL CLASSES THIS YEAR? THEY DO.

UH, THERE IS ALSO A VIRTUAL OPTION FOR A PA, UH, THAT'S, IT'S NOT THE SAME TIME.

IT'S USUALLY A LITTLE BIT LATER THAT THEY OFFER THAT, BUT THE CLASSES ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, WE CAN ALSO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

ZACH, I WOULD ADD THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE A PA, UM, IS HAS A VERY, VERY BROAD PROGRAM AND IT'S ALL OF THE INFORMATION IS VERY RELEVANT TO THE WORK THAT WE DO.

I MEAN, IT'S TALKING ABOUT PLANNING AND IT WOULD, THAT TO ME IS PROBABLY THE MOST HELPFUL.

ULI IS IS REALLY DEVELOPER FOCUSED.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG PARTY FOR THE DEVELOPERS AND, UH, AND THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION.

THERE'S USUALLY A LOT OF GREAT TOURS, BUT IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT VIBE, RIGHT? ONE'S MORE LIKE, FEELS VERY COMMUNITY BASED AND THE OTHER'S LIKE GOING OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, DOING BIG DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND SELLING BIG DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.

BUT, AND A-A-P-A-I WENT TO A PAI THINK THREE YEARS AGO, UM, AND IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE WE STARTED THE ENVISION DUBLIN, BUT AT A PA YOU ALSO GOT TO HEAR PEOPLE'S CASE STUDIES.

THEY BROUGHT FORWARD, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE DID IN OUR CITY.

THEY, THEY HAD BRT KIND OF APPROACH ON HOW THEY DID THEIR, UM, KIND OF, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT TRANSPORTATION MODALS.

AND THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING.

AND THAT FED DIRECTLY INTO MY EXPERIENCE IN, IN VISION DUBLIN.

SO THERE ARE LOTS OF GOOD, UH, EVENTS.

ALL OF

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THE, THE KIND OF SYLLABUS IS AVAILABLE ON THE WEB, SO YOU CAN LOOK IN AND SEE, HEY, YOU KNOW, DO I WANNA GO? YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FOR THE WHOLE WHOLE TIME.

SO I ONLY WENT FOR LIKE TWO AND A HALF DAYS OF FOUR.

UH, AND THAT WAS WELL WORTH MY TIME.

BUT LOOK INTO IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY GOOD.

I'M GONNA DO THE VIRTUAL ONE I THINK THIS YEAR RATHER THAN THE PHYSICAL ONE.

DENVER'S A LONG WAY.

YOU GOTTA TRAVEL A DAY AND THEN TRAVEL A DAY.

SO IT'S A BIG COMMITMENT, BUT IT'S, IT'S WORTHWHILE.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY IT, SO THE DATES FOR THAT I, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT EARLIER.

UH, MARCH 29TH TO APRIL 1ST IS THE IN-PERSON A PA CONFERENCE? THE ONLINE PORTION IS FROM APRIL 23RD TO APRIL 25TH.

SO JUST LET US KNOW.

IT REALLY IS, I'D SAY MORE THAN HALF OF THE SEMINARS AND SESSIONS ARE FROM THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

UH, A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT, JUST ABOUT ANYTHING YOU COULD EVER THINK OF.

SO, UM, JUST LET US KNOW AND WE CAN, WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU AND FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.

ZACH, THERE, THERE'S ALSO LOCAL A PA CONFERENCES, RIGHT? CENTRAL OHIO.

AND, UM, THERE'S THE TRI-STATE ONE MM-HMM .

THAT ARE ALSO VERY, VERY GOOD THAT WE CAN GO TO RIGHT.

THAT CITY WOULD HELP.

UM, AND WE CAN GET A FULL LIST OF WHAT THOSE SESSIONS ARE.

I MEAN, THERE'S MIDOHIO SO THERE'S STUFF THAT HAPPENS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR HERE.

UM, THERE'S ALSO THE, THE OHIO, THE OHIO CHAPTER USUALLY HAS A CONFERENCE AT THE END OF THE MONTH.

UM, AND THAT USUALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS LAST YEAR.

WAS IT, IT WAS THE O-K-I-K-I, IT WAS OKI.

WHICH IS OHIO, KENTUCKY, INDIANA.

UM, THAT WAS IN FORT WAYNE.

I ALMOST SAID FORT WORTH.

UH, FORT WAYNE.

UM, SO THAT MOVES AROUND BETWEEN THE THREE.

UM, BUT THAT'S USUALLY IN THE FALL.

BUT A PA IS THE FIRST MAJOR ONE THAT WE HAVE.

SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH A LIST OF, OF DATES FOR ANYONE THAT IS INTERESTED, BOTH VIRTUAL AND IN PERSON.

HAPPY TO DO THAT.

AND, AND I WAS ALSO GONNA ADD THAT YOU WILL, LIKE, HAS A COLUMBUS, UM, GROUP AND THEY PUT ON REGULAR, THEY DO TOURS OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND THEY HAVE SPEAKERS COME IN AND IT'S REALLY GOOD TOO, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL TO SOME EXOTIC PLACE LIKE DENVER .