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UH, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD MEETING, BEING HELD AT 5 5 5 5 PERIMETER DRIVE.
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WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
UH, BEFORE WE START EACH, UH, MEETING, WE START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
SO IF EVERYONE COULD STAND A PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL INDI WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
JAMIE, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? YES, MR. KOTTER? HERE.
MR. JUUL'S, ABSENT THIS EVENING, MS. DAMER HERE AND MS. PAT MCDANIEL, ALSO ABSENT
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
UH, UH, SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE RARB MEETING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 18TH.[Case #24-161INF]
THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION AND MODIFICATIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO ANY SITE IN THE AREA SUBJECT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW UNDER THE PROVISION OF THE ZONING CODE SECTION 1 53 0.170.THE BOARD HAS DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY ON THESE CASES.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THESE CASES THIS EVENING MUST BE SWORN IN.
UM, SO ANYONE, UH, ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD THIS EVENING? ME.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THE, AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR TO AFFIRM OR TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? GOOD.
OKAY, SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, CASE NUMBER 20, UH, CASE 24 DASH 1 61 INFORMAL REVIEW FOR THE LAID RESIDENT LAYERED RESIDENCE.
UH, INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE 0.27 ACRE SITE IS ZONED, UH, HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 60 FEET NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET AND, AND SHORT STREET.
AND SARAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS.
THIS IS THE SITE OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
IT IS ZONED HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S LOCATED ON A NEWLY SPLIT LOT, WHICH WAS DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY PER CODE.
THESE ARE THE GENERAL SURROUNDINGS.
UH, THE AREA IS MOSTLY BACKGROUND STRUCTURES AND VACANT LOTS.
THE QUARTER ACRE SITE SITS ABOVE THE SCIOTO RIVER.
IT FACES SOUTH RIVERVIEW, AS WE NOTED.
AND, UH, THE FLOODPLAIN IS SHOWN IN THE BLUE DASH ON THE SITE PLAN.
HERE, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A ONE AND A HALF STORY FRONT FACADE, KIND OF A SIMPLE TRADITIONAL FORM, NEW STRUCTURE.
IT FOLLOWS OR APPEARS TO FOLLOW, UH, GUIDELINES 5.0 AND 5.1 B.
WE SEE A PROJECTING CENTER GABLE, WHICH IS THE FOCUS FOR THE PROPOSED FRONT DOOR.
THERE ARE SHED ROOF FORMS THROUGHOUT ON THIS APPLICATION.
THIS PROVIDES UPPER LEVEL USABILITY.
WE SIMPLY, UM, NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE MILLIONS BETWEEN THE WINDOWS FOR A MORE TRADITIONAL LOOK.
WHEN IT COMES IN FOR MINOR PROJECT.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT MATERIALS INDICATED HERE, A STONE FOUNDATION AND ENTRIES, SHINGLED SIDING, TWO ROOF TYPES, ASPHALT AND STANDING SCENE.
THE BOARD IS ASKED TO COMMENT IF THAT IS PERHAPS A LITTLE BUSY ON A RELATIVELY SMALL FACADE.
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ON THE REAR FACADE, WE SEE THAT THE HOUSE IS BROKEN INTO SMALLER MASSES AS SHOWN HERE.THE CENTER PORTION ALSO COMES FORWARD, AND THE SIDE PORTION SIT FARTHER BACK.
THERE ARE DECKS AND A SUNROOM IS SHOWN HERE.
STAFF IS SUGGESTING THAT THAT SUNROOM ROOF BE BROKEN, PERHAPS LIKE THIS, OR EVEN A FLAT ROOF.
AND WE'RE ASKING THE BOARD TO COMMENT ON WHETHER YOU WOULD SUPPORT A WAIVER FOR, UM, SUCH A, A PROPOSAL.
WE ALSO OFFER THE SAME COMMENT ABOUT NEEDING MILLIONS BETWEEN THE SHED WINDOWS.
OVERALL, THE WINDOW ARRANGEMENTS ARE APPROPRIATE AT THIS STAGE, AND, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
THE MATERIALS HERE ARE THE SAME AS THE FRONT PLUS BOARD AND, AND BATTEN.
AND AGAIN, UM, SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
THE NORTH SIDE SHOWS HOW THE, UM, RIVERSIDE IS ARRANGED AND THE SUNROOM IS AGAIN SHOWN HERE.
SIMILARLY, THE SUGGESTED ROOF FORM MIGHT BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR AGAIN, COULD POSSIBLY BE FLAT.
THE MASSING GENERALLY STEPS DOWN THE HILL TO THE RIVER AS REQUIRED OR SUGGESTED IN THE GUIDELINES.
THIS COULD PERHAPS BE ENHANCED WITH A HIP GABLE FORM.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE MATERIALS INDICATED HERE.
THE SOUTH SIDE SHOWS, AGAIN, SIMPLE FENESTRATION.
UH, PERHAPS THE WINDOW SIZES COULD BE ADJUSTED A LITTLE BIT.
UH, THE MASSING AGAIN, GENERALLY STEPS DOWN THE HILL TO THE RIVER, BUT CONSIDERATION OF A HIP GABLE MIGHT BE A, A GOOD ADDITION.
AND OVERALL, THIS IS A VERY GOOD START, STAFF FEELS, AND WE APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S EFFORTS TO MEET THE CODE AND THE GUIDELINES.
SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, TALKING ABOUT THE PROPOSED MASSING, ESPECIALLY THE FRONT AND THE REAR, AND WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD SUPPORTS THE ELEVATIONS AS SHOWN, AND WOULD THE BOARD SUPPORT A WAIVER FOR THE SUNROOM ROOF PITCH? AND FINALLY, THOUGHTS ON THE USE OF MATERIALS AND THEN ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BY THE BOARD.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO DO THE SAME.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A, I JUST DO HAVE ANYTHING FOR SARAH JUST BEFORE WE NO.
IS THE APPLICANT, YEP, PLEASE.
AND IF YOU COULD JUST, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND, UH, JUST HAVE TO, THERE YOU GO.
COLUMBUS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE STAFF PRESENTATION OR ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON SOME OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY SEE INSIDE OF A COUPLE? INSIDE OF WHAT THEIRS? I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER.
UM, THE FIRST PAGE YOU SHOWED WITH THE, THE FLOOD PLANE LINE, I BELIEVE THAT BLUE LINE MIGHT'VE BEEN MISPLACED.
IT SEEMED LIKE IT GOT PUSHED UP.
TAYLOR, EXCUSE ME, DO YOU MIND TURNING YOUR MICROPHONE BACK ON PLEASE? UH, BUTTON AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER YOUR OTHER COMMENTS.
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OH, I, I CAN ADDRESS THEM AS WE GO.SO, I MEAN, I THINK A COUPLE OF OTHER ONES WERE KIND OF THE MIXED MATERIAL.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE FI UH, I THINK THERE'S FIVE MATERIALS IF YOU COUNT THE ROOF FORM.
SO THERE, SO THINKING ABOUT HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY SIMPLIFY, UH, SIMPLIFY THE ROOF FORMS, IT WAS ONE OF THEM.
SO FROM THE FRONT WE HAVE THE TWO SIDINGS AND, UM, THE STANDING SEAM IS ONLY USED ON THE, THE ONE DORMER FROM THE FRONT.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO MATCH THE COLOR OF THE STANDING SEAM WITH THE SHINGLES.
UH, AND AGAIN, WITH THE LOW SLOPE OF IT, I THINK YOU'LL, YOU'LL RARELY READ IT.
UM, AS FOR THE REAR WHERE WE DO ADD THE EXTRA MATERIAL IN, UH, THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE, WHICH IT ONLY HAS THE NEIGHBOR ON THE LEFT RIGHT NOW IT HAS BOR AND BATTEN AND STONE.
SO I DIDN'T WANNA DO BOR AND BATTEN AND STONE AND DIRECTLY MATCH THE NEIGHBOR.
UM, I THINK SHAKE IS APPROPRIATE HERE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, A FAIRLY SMALL QUAINT HOUSE FROM THE FRONT, ONE AND A HALF STORY.
UM, AND SHAKE IS A VERY BUSY MATERIAL.
UH, ON THE REAR, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
WE HAVE TWO AND A HALF STORIES.
UH, STONE IS A FAIRLY BUSY OR CAN BE A FAIRLY BUSY MATERIAL SHAKE IS A, IS A BUSY MATERIAL.
UM, AND I'M AFRAID IF WE DID THE WHOLE THING IN SHAKEN STONE THAT IT WOULD JUST, THERE WOULD BE A LOT GOING ON.
I THINK THE BOARD AND BATTEN HELPS BREAK IT UP.
UM, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE STANDING SEAM BACK HERE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S SUCH A LOW SLOPE THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE IT.
UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GO TO A THREE 12, AS YOU KNOW, THAT WAS IN AGAINST THE, UM, DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
UH, BUT IF THAT IS PREFERABLE TO YOU GUYS AS WELL, I'D BE HAPPY TO GO FOR A WAIVER FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN AS FOR THE, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT, THE, THE GABLE THAT THE SHED GABLE? UM, I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO THAT.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER LOOKING INTO THAT.
I FIND IT A LITTLE ODD JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOWHERE ELSE ON THE HOUSE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT OF STEPPING THE LEVELS DOWN.
MAYBE, UH, ANYBODY QUESTION? YEP.
TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE HIP GABLE.
YOU SAID YOU WERE CONCERNED THAT THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU WATER PROBLEMS. CAN YOU TELL ME MORE AND TELL ME MORE ABOUT YOU'RE NOT A FAN OF IT? SO THE SKETCH THAT THEY HAD DRAWN IN WITH THE BLUE, IT SHOWS THE WATER SHUTTING BACK.
YOU WOULD HAVE TWO ROOFS BOTH SHEDDING THIS WAY AND THEN SO THEY WOULD COME TO A POINT, UM, ON THE ROOF THAT IT JUST INVITES POTENTIAL SNOW BUILDUP AND WATER BUILDUP THAT CAN CAUSE DAMAGE VERSUS IF YOU SHED EVERYTHING DIRECTLY OFF THE WAY THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING YOU MITIGATE THOSE ISSUES.
UM, SO I LIKE TO AVOID THEM WHERE POSSIBLE.
HILLARY? I'LL JUST SAY THAT I'M DOWN THE STREET FROM HER AND I HAVE SHAKEN BATTEN BOARD ON MY HOUSE.
SO JUST MAYBE ONE QUESTION, JUST IF I LOOK ONLY, 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE NORTH, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTH, JUST FROM THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU HAVE THE STONE KIND OF GOING KIND OF UP THE WHOLE SIDE.
AND KIND OF ON THIS SIDE, YOU'VE KIND OF DELINEATED IT BY THE, ROUGHLY THE FLOOR LEVEL.
I SAY ON THIS SIDE, JUST TO RE IF I JUST, IF YOU COULD GO MAYBE SOUTH SARAH, AND JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS YOUR REASONING FOR KIND OF DOING IT? KIND OF THAT L KIND OF L UH, YEAH, KIND OF THAT, THAT FORM THERE, AS OPPOSED TO PROJECTING WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE, ON THE, UH, NORTH SIDE AS THE KIND OF THE FLOOR LEVEL, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T EXACTLY MATCH WHEN YOU GET TO THE FRONT.
SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW FROM A BREAKING UP OF THE MASS YOU'RE TAKING THERE.
SO FROM THE, THE FRONT, THAT GARAGE, THAT ENTIRE GARAGE STRUCTURE IS STONE.
SO THAT'S WHY I KEPT THE STONE GOING THIS WAY.
UH, A WAY TO CHANGE THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE TO BUMP THIS SIDE OUT, BUT, UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH SOME SMALL CONSTRAINTS WITH THE SITE.
UH, AND I WOULD PREFER TO NOT BUMP THAT OUT.
UH, I THINK I KIND OF AM UP AGAINST THE SETBACKS AT BOTH SIDES RIGHT NOW.
UM, I BROUGHT THIS PREDICAMENT UP TO THE STAFF A WHILE BACK AND THEY SAID THAT THIS IS COMMON WITHIN THE AREA.
UM, SO I WAS NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT AFTER THAT.
I MEAN, JUST, IT, IT, IT'S GOT A DIFFERENT FORM ON BOTH SIDES.
SO JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, YOU KIND OF SEE THE DELINEATE ROUGHLY THE DELINEATION OF, OF THE FLOOR LEVEL ON ONE SIDE, BUT NOT CARRIED THROUGH ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, SO THE STONE JUST GOES TO THE WATER TABLE MM-HMM
ON, WE HAVE A WATER TABLE EVERYWHERE.
WE HAVE STONE AROUND THE FOUNDATION EVERYWHERE.
UM, SO THEN IT'S JUST WEATHER.
IT'S, IT APPEARS TO BE A FULL STONE STRUCTURE OR A, UH, WOOD STRUCTURE WITH A STONE FOUNDATION.
UM, AND THEN I KEPT WITH THE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S THE L SHAPE, BUT IT'S BASICALLY TWO
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MAIN GABLES, AND WITH THE ONE BEING TALLER, I THINK THAT THAT IS THE STRONGER MASS AND WANTED TO KEEP WITH THAT.AND SO YOU HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE CO THE WINDOWS ON THIS.
WAS THERE ONE ABOUT THE WEIGHT? YEAH, I ONE.
I WANTED TO ASK YOU, SO WHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR FEELING ABOUT THOSE WINDOWS DO SEEM SMALL IN PROPORTION MM-HMM
HOW DO YOU, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT WILLING TO CONSIDER LARGER WINDOWS THERE? MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS THAT IT IS A GARAGE, AND THAT'S VERY CLEAR FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
UH, AND I THINK TRADITIONALLY PEOPLE DON'T EXPECT TO SEE LARGE WINDOWS ON A GARAGE.
THEY EXPECT TO SEE SMALL WINDOWS.
SO THAT WAS MY THINKING PROCESS.
AND I ASKED THAT TOO, BECAUSE I ALSO HAVE A HOUSE DOWN THE STREET FROM HERE, AND OUR WINDOWS ARE MORE PROPORTIONAL AND IT IS IN THE GARAGE, BUT ON THE OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS GOOD AND WE KEEP 'EM CLOSED.
UM, WE HAVE SHUTTERS ON THEM ON THE INSIDE.
SO FOR ME, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF THE INSIDE AS MUCH AS, AGAIN, FROM THE FRONT YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S A GARAGE.
SO I JUST FEEL LIKE PEOPLE EXPECT TO SEE SMALLER WINDOWS ON A GARAGE.
I, I'M NOT AGAINST LOOKING AT LARGER WINDOWS, THAT'S JUST WHERE MY HEAD LIES.
IT MIGHT BALANCE THE BACK WINDOWS A LITTLE MORE.
IT JUST BALANCES IT OUT A LITTLE BIT ON THE, ON THE SIDE EVEN, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S THE GARAGE, BUT AS YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THAT SIDE, IT JUST GIVES IT SOME MORE BALANCE IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THAT SIDE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAD THOUGHTS ABOUT, I I DON'T, I MEAN IT, THE ROOF LINE MEETS THE GUIDELINES NOW.
I DON'T, I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE A NEED TO HAVE THEM G LIKE SAY YOU REALLY SHOULD GABLE THIS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL WATER ISSUES.
AND YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SUNROOM ROOF? NO, THE, THE LARGE ROOF.
SHE'S NOT TALKING, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WATER ISSUES HAVING TO DO WITH THE THOSE WERE THE SUNROOM SUN.
SO I WAS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, HERE SHE YES.
THE STAFF IS SUGGESTING THERE, SHE'S GOT HER BLUE LINE.
SO WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THAT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING, ASKING ABOUT.
UH, FOR THAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK INTO THIS.
I HAVE NOT LOOKED INTO THAT OPTION.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE GOAL OF SLOPING THE ROOF DOWN.
UM, I GUESS MY ONLY PROBLEM WITH IT IS THAT IT'S NOWHERE ELSE ON THE HOUSE.
SO FOR ME IT FEELS A LITTLE OUT OF PLACE.
AND THEN SARAH, MAYBE JUST FROM THE CITY, FROM THE, FROM THE, WE'LL CALL IT SHED ROOF.
AND THE REASON FOR THE GATE OR THE GABLE IN THERE IS JUST TO MAKE IT MORE PROPORTIONAL WITH THE, WITH THE OTHER GABLE THAT SITS THERE WITH THE BACK GABLE.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE'D BE ALL RIGHT WITH MORE OF A FLAT ROOF, YOU KNOW, SLOPED AT A VERY LOW ANGLE SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T REALLY SEE IT AND ALMOST LOOK LIKE AN ENCLOSED PORCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF IDEAS TO, WAIT A SECOND.
LET ME GET SEAN'S QUESTION CLARIFIED.
DID YOU MEAN THAT THE HIPPING OF THE, THE BLUE LINE THAT WE SEE NOW? NO, I'M THOUGHT NO.
I THOUGHT SHE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION AND I WENT BACK TO THE SHED ROOF.
SO I WAS BACK ON GOT, I WAS BACK ON THIS ONE.
NOW I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SUNROOM ROOF
UM, BECAUSE IT GIVES ANOTHER POINT OF ATTENTION AND, AND BECOMES MORE BUSY.
I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OF A EITHER A MORE GRADUAL OF A SLOPE OR EVEN LEAVING IT THE SAME WHEN WE SAW THE RENDERING OF THE REAR.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED, THE SUNROOM WAS A SHED TO MATCH THE DORMERS.
I WAS TRYING TO KEEP WITH TWO VERY CONSISTENT ROOF TYPES, UH, STEEP AND SHINGLED, AND THEN THE SECONDARY ROOFS, UM, SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T INTENTIONALLY FEEL VERY SECONDARY.
OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE GABLE L SHAPE THAT HAS THE PRIMARY ROOFS, AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE LOW SLOPE, UH, STANDING SEAM ROOF.
UH, HOWEVER, AFTER SOME EXPLORATION, I DID SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, SLOPING IT IN TWO DIRECTIONS HELPS YOU NOT REALLY SEE IT FROM ANY VIEW.
UM, VERSUS WHEN YOU DO HAVE A SHED, YOU WILL SEE AT LEAST THE, YOU KNOW, GABLE SIDE OF THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY I SLOPED IT IN TWO DIRECTIONS.
BUT JUST TO GO BACK ONTO THAT TOPIC, YOU HAD SAID YOU, YOU WERE OKAY WITH THE IDEA OF USING PERHAPS A FLAT ROOF OVER THE SUNROOM? YES.
UH, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH EXPLORING IT.
UM, I, I'D PREFER WHAT WE HAVE NOW, UH, JUST BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL RARELY, RARELY BE SEEN.
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WATER, YOU KNOW, RESISTANT SOLUTION VERSUS A FLAT ROOF.WHILE, I MEAN, THEY HAVE SUCH GREAT CON CONTRACTORS AND TECHNOLOGY THESE DAYS WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES, BUT YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR MORE ISSUES DOWN THE LINE.
AND IF THIS WORKS, THEN I WOULD PREFER TO MAKE THIS WORK.
UM, I DO THINK, SO STANDING SEAM, UM, USUALLY HAS A, A BETTER WARRANTY IF YOU KEEP AT LEAST THREE 12 ROOF PITCH.
SO I THINK IF WE WENT DOWN TO A THREE 12, IT WOULD ENSURE EVEN MORE THAT YOU'RE LESS LIKELY TO SEE IT.
AND SARAH, THREE 12 WOULD REQUIRE A WAIVER.
AND WE HAVE ROUTINELY GRANTED THAT.
IT SEEMS LIKE IN THIS CONTEXT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS BEFORE WE KIND OF GO, GO INTO THE DISCUSSION? ANYBODY, IF YOU STAY THERE, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR YOU AS WE, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
SO MAY WE'LL JUST GO AND WE'LL, AS IT'S INFORMAL, IF WE'LL GO THROUGH AND JUST TRY TO DISCUSS A BIT, UM, THE QUESTIONS FROM THE STAFF AND SEE HOW WE HAVE SOME CONSENSUS HERE.
SO, UH, ANY COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSED MASSING? I MEAN, ESPECIALLY THE FRONT AND REAR.
DOES ANYBODY, UH, HAVE A, LET'S SAY, IF YOU START FROM THE FRONT, ANY ISSUES WITH HOW, HOW IT LOOKS MASSING FROM THE STREET OR FROM THE, FROM THE CON CONTEXT OF THE REST OF THE AREA? I THINK IT FITS IN WELL AND I THINK THEY'VE MET, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE, THE THOUGHTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE ON THE CONSTRUCTION.
AND I'M ALSO WANNA SUPPORT THE IDEA OF HER USING, UH, SUGGESTING USE OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAN THE PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT.
ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE THESE TWO PROPERTIES ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER, I THINK, WHAT IS IT, LIKE SIX, MAYBE 10 FEET BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.
I, I LIKE THE WAY IT FITS IN WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
I'M THE SAME, SO I THINK IT'S GOOD.
ANYBODY ON THE BACK? THE BACK'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX.
ANYBODY THE BACK? ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHA I MEAN, THE ROOF IS, ANYBODY HAVE A COMMENT? UH, LET'S SEE.
ROOF, WE DIDN'T HAVE, SO ANY COMMENT ROUGHLY ON THE ROOF, THE PITCH, THE GATE, THE, LET'S SAY THE HIP AT THE TOP? ANY THOUGHTS ON, I PERSONALLY DIDN'T, UH, REALLY CARE FOR THE IDEA OF THE HIP.
MAYBE I WOULD, UH, AT THE TOP, BUT MAYBE I WOULD FEEL DIFFERENTLY.
UM, SO I KIND OF LIKED IT THE WAY IT WAS.
UM, I DO ALSO AGREE WITH THE CONCERNS ABOUT WATER.
IT SEEMS TO ALWAYS BE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
SO IF THEY DECIDED TO DO A DIFFERENT ROOF PITCH ON THE SUNROOM, AND WE'RE KIND OF SKIPPING HERE ONTO THE THIRD QUESTION, BUT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT WAIVER, SO, OKAY.
UM, I, I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO ON THE HIP, ON THE MAIN BROTH, JUST TO BE CLEAR,
I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY THAT WAS BEING SUGGESTED.
I THINK, I THINK IT LOOKS FINE.
SO MUCH OF THAT STRUCTURE WILL BE CAMOUFLAGED 10 MONTHS OF THE YEAR WITH THE TREES AND FOLIAGE AND SO FORTH.
I I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, AND I THINK THE SHED ROOT AND NOW ON THE SHED ROOF, I THINK THE PIT, FOR ME, I'M, I'M OPEN EITHER WAY.
I THINK WITH THE STANDING SEAM, IT, IT TELLS YOU THAT IT'S SOMETHING THEORETICALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THAT.
UH, CERTAINLY IF IT'S FLATTENED A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN, I WOULDN'T BE A BE OPPOSED, I MEAN, I SHOULD SAY, IF WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE, HAVING A DIFFERENT WAIVER IS FOR ME IS FOR THAT IS OKAY.
BUT IT, I'M OKAY WITH THE WAY IT SITS TODAY.
AND I'M SAME, I DON'T, I MEAN, MOST OF THE PALS IN THE BACK SEEN FROM THE BACK, SO A DIFFERENT HIP.
AND I THINK YOURS IS SHORT ENOUGH.
SO IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH WHAT WE WOULD SAY IS IN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST ON THE HEIGHTS, ON THE, SO I'M OKAY ON THAT, ON THE FRONT TO THE REAR, AND I THINK THE SIDES LOOK OKAY ALSO.
UM, WHEN YOU SAY THE SIDES ARE, YOU CAN DO QUESTION NUMBER TWO, UH, YEAH.
YOU WANT ME TO START THE ELEVATIONS AS SHOWN? YEAH, I'M FINE WITH ALL OF THE ELEVATIONS.
UM, AND THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, YES.
EXCEPT THAT I DO AGREE ON THE WINDOWS, LISA, ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
I WOULD PREFER LARGER WINDOWS, MAINLY BECAUSE FROM THAT ELEVATION THEN, AND WE'RE TALKING THE SOUTH SIDE, RIGHT? UM, YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S A GARAGE.
YOU DO, IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE FRONT, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE WINDOWS.
IN THAT CASE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING, NO ONE'S GONNA STAND ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
I KNOW WITH THE PITCH, BUT
WE DO IT TO HIDE THE FACT THAT IT'S A GARAGE.
SO YOU WANT WINDOWS THAT HIDE THE FACT THAT IT'S A GARAGE.
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OPINION.YOU CAN LOOK IN THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GARAGE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN THE HILL AND YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE, YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S A GARAGE.
SO THE WINDOWS BEING THE A BIGGER SIZE IS EXACTLY THAT.
AND YOU WANT TO FIT IN, IN THE HISTORIC NATURE.
AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A GARAGE, LET ALONE WINDOWS IN A GARAGE.
SO
I THINK THE WINDOWS SHOULD BE SYMMETRIC OR LET'S SAY ORGANIZED IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY.
UM, BOARD ON THE WAIVER OF THE PITCH.
ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE? YEAH, WE'RE OKAY.
YEAH, I THINK WE'RE ALL OKAY WITH, UH, WITH THE ROOF PITCH.
UH, THOUGHTS ON THE USE OF MATERIALS? SO I MEAN, FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, THERE'S ESSENTIALLY FIVE MATERIALS IN THERE, UH, THAT ARE ROOF VERSUS THREE ON THE SIDE.
DO WE HAVE A THOUGHT ABOUT, UH, HOW THAT WOULD LOOK ORGANIZATION, HOW IT MIGHT, UH, FEEL IN THE, IN THE DISTRICT? I'LL START DOWN HERE.
I HAVE SIMILAR THINGS, SO WHY DON'T YOU GUYS COMMENT
I MEAN, MY HOUSE HAS GOT ALL THREE, AT LEAST THREE OF THOSE, SO IT, IT, IT DOES APPEAR BUSY TO ME.
UM, SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO MINIMIZE IT, I UNDERSTAND AND, AND I AGREE WITH YOU AND MARTY, THAT YOU'D NEED TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO SIMPLIFY IT, IT WOULD BE GOOD.
AND MAYBE COLOR IS THE WAY TO DO IT.
BUT YEAH, MARTY, ANY, AND I'M GONNA SAY FROM THE FRONT, I MEAN WITH THE, WITH THE, IT FEELS A LITTLE BUSY SOMETIMES, BUT IT COULD BE COLOR.
LOOKING OUT THE RENDERING HERE, IT'S HARD TO DIFFERENTIATE.
SO COLOR COULD SOFTEN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAY, YOU HAVE SHINGLES, YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GIVING A LOT OF TEXTURE, YOU MIGHT SAY MM-HMM
AND TO MAKE SURE SOMEHOW WE SOFTEN THAT EITHER BY ORGANIZING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT OR COLOR COULD BE ANOTHER WAY TOO.
I PERSONALLY THINK THE DRAWINGS ALWAYS DON'T READ VERY WELL.
ON A SCREEN, BECAUSE THE HATCH WHEN YOU PRINT IT OUT IS VERY LIGHT, AND THEN WHEN YOU PUT IT ON THE SCREEN, IT'S AS BOLD AS THE OUTLINE OF THE HOUSE.
SO I DO THINK THAT THE BLACK AND WHITE ELEVATIONS DON'T DO IT JUSTICE AS MUCH AS, I MEAN, ONCE WE START EXPLORING COLOR AND ADDING THAT INTO THE RENDERINGS, I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP.
IT COULD, I'LL KEEP IT IN MIND.
AND YEAH, JUST WHEN FOR THE NEXT STAGE, JUST KEEP IT IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING, THAT'S ALL.
AND CERTAINLY WHEN YOU BRING THE NEXT ONE, IF YOU HAVE IT SOMETHING WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE CONTRAST AND HOW THAT'LL LOOK, THAT WILL HELP US SEE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GO FOR ON THE, ON THE COLORS PLUS THE, PLUS THE ORGANIZATION OF THE MATERIALS TOO.
THAT'LL HELP DIFFERENTIATE THAT.
SO I THINK HERE, I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE SOFTER, POTENTIALLY.
ANYBODY HAVE OTHER NO, I, I, I'M JUST VERY PLEASED WITH IT.
THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY VERY NICE AND I AGREE.
I THINK THIS IS A VERY WELL DONE PRESENTATION FROM HERE.
SO I THINK MOST OF IT, I'LL SAY SOME MINOR TWEAKING ON, ON, ON WHERE YOU ARE.
YOU NEED JUST A, ANYTHING HERE UNCLEAR FROM WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED? OR DID YOU GET INFOR? YOU, I THINK WE'RE ALL CLEAR.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR FEEDBACK.
OH, UH, I FORGOT TO ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, SO NOW WE'LL GO ON TO CASE,
[Case #25-004INF]
UH, 2 5 0 0 1 INFORMAL, UH, INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK ON THE ON FACADE RENOVATIONS OF, TO A LANDMARK BUILDING.THE ZERO POINT 25 ACRE SITE IS ZONED HDHS, HISTORIC SOUTH DISTRICT IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF SOUTH HIGH STREET IN SPRING HILL LANE IN SPRING HILL LANE INTERSECTION.
AND GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN INFORMAL REVIEW AT 48 SOUTH HIGH FOR FACADE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE 0.25 SIZE IS ZONED HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST AT THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH HIGH STREET AND SPRING HILL LANE, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN YELLOW.
THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF TWO ADJACENT BUILDING, WHICH ARE LOCATED AT 48 SOUTH HIGH AND 50 SOUTH HIGH.
THE PROPERTY WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE BLUE RECTANGLE.
THESE STRUCTURES WERE ADDED TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES IN 1979.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING FEEDBACK ON THE FRONT FACADE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WILL BE DONE ON THE 48TH SOUTH HIGH, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WHERE THE TWO VIN BAY WINDOWS ARE LOCATED.
THESE ARE SOME HISTORIC PHOTOS WITH STATES BACKS TO 1898 AND 1920 AND 1856.
MAPS SHOWS THAT THERE WAS A STORE PRESENT ON
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THIS SIDE.OVER TIME THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ALTERATIONS WHICH HAVE MADE THE FACADE OF BOTH THE BUILDINGS CHANGED FROM WHAT IT HAS SEEN IN THE BU PHOTOS HERE.
THE HISTORIC PHOTO ALSO SHOWS THAT THE MAIN ENTRANCE ORIGINALLY FACED NORTH HIGH STREET AND THE APPLICANT AIMS TO RESTORE THAT ACCESS VIA THE FACADE IMPROVEMENTS.
IT CAN BE SEEN THAT THERE WERE MINIMUM ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ON BOTH 48 SOUTH HIGH AND 50 SOUTH HIGH.
THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS OF THE BUILDING INCLUDE REMOVING THE TWO BAY WINDOWS THAT WE SAW IN THE INITIAL PHOTOS, REESTABLISHING AN EARLIER DOOR LOCATION, AND INSTALLING A NEW STOREFRONT WINDOW WHERE AN OLDER WINDOW ONCE EXISTED.
WE CAN SEE HER SERIES OF SKETCHES THAT WERE PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT BASED ON THE STAFF'S DISCUSSION TONIGHT, APPLICANT IS SEEKING A FEEDBACK PRIOR TO A FORMAL APPLICATION, WHICH WOULD BE A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW AS SEEN EARLIER.
THE HISTORICAL FIRST ROW INDICATE THAT THE BAY WINDOWS WERE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING, AND THE TIMELINE FOR THAT ADDITION IS TOTALLY UNKNOWN.
IF IT WAS UNDER THE CURRENT GOLDEN GUIDELINES.
THESE WINDOWS ARE CONSIDERED AS AN INAPPROPRIATE ADDITION, AN ALTERATION TO A LANDMARK BUILDING STAFF.
SUPPOSE THE IMPROVEMENT TO THE FACADE, WHICH WILL ALLOW THE FIRST FLOOR ACCESS FROM NORTH HIGH STREET, WHICH WOULD RESTORE THE OR LINKS ORIGINAL INTENT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO USE THE EXACT SAME AWNING AND DETAIL, WHICH IS ON THE 50 SOUTH HIGH STREET.
IT'S TO BE NOTED THAT UNDER TODAY'S CODES AND GUIDELINES, WE WOULD NOT APPROVE WHAT EXISTS AT 50 SOUTH HIGH STREET AS A FACADE IMPROVEMENT.
FOR THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE DESIGN SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC STOREFRONT CHARACTER, INCLUDING THE WINDOW SIZES AND THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
AND ANY DOWNSIZING AND ENLARGING OF THE WINDOW OPENING SHALL BE AVOIDED AND WINDOWS SHOULD MATCH THE APPEARANCE OF THE HISTORIC ORIGINALS.
IF EVIDENCES ARE FOUND, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO USE A THERMA TWO FIBERGLASS FRONT DOOR AND APPAREL LIFESTYLE, 51 BY 55 INCH WINDOW.
THE PROPOSED DOOR WOULD REQUIRE A WAIVER.
THE BO BOARD HAS APPROVED WAIVERS FOR THE FIBERGLASS DOOR, BOTH FOR THE BACKGROUND BUILDINGS AND THE LANDMARK BUILDINGS WHERE THE CRITERIA ARE MET.
THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS NEAR THE BAY WINDOW, IS PROPOSED TO BEING REMOVED AND IT'LL BE REPLACED WITH BIG PAVERS, WHICH WILL MEET THE BRI BRIDGE STREET STREET SCAPE CHARACTER.
WITH THIS, WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION CUSHIONS FOR THE BOARD TONIGHT.
IF THE BOARD SUPPORT THE RENOVATION OF THE ASSISTING FACADE, AND IF THE BOARD DOES SUPPORT THEIR RENOVATIONS, DOES THE BOARD SUPPORT THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS AND THEIR OVERALL CHARACTER? THIS BOARD RECOMMENDING CONSULTING A PRESERVATION ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT, AND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BY THE BOARD WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE DO HAVE APPLICANT HERE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
ANY QUICK QUESTIONS BEFORE THE APPLICANT COMES UP TI IN THE PLANNING REPORT? UM, YOU TALK ABOUT SIMPLIFYING OR THE, UM, THE HISTORIC FEATURES TALK, HAVE MORE SIMPLIFIED FEATURES.
COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE YEAH.
PICTURES ON THIS? WHAT IS TOO BUSY? WHAT IS TOO BUSY, SIR? OR WHAT IS, WHAT IS STAFF CONSIDERED TO BE TOO BUSY? OKAY.
I THINK THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS, I'LL GO A SLIDE BACK.
THE DETAILS HERE WAS JUST SHOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND BOTH ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, IT'S CLEARLY SEEN THAT THERE WAS SOME REPRESENTATION ON THE TOP, WHICH WENT AS A BAND RIGHT ALONG THE SIDE OF THE DOORS.
EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS A STORE, THERE WAS A MINIMAL ARCHITECTURE AND IT WAS JUST THE FRAME AND NO OTHER ADDITIONAL FEATURES.
LIKE, WHICH CAN BE SEEN HERE AS LIKE TWO COLUMNS, WHICH ARE DECORATED AND EXTRA ELAS.
THEY WERE NOT THERE ON THE HISTORIC PHOTOS.
UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE, IF YOU COULD, THE LIGHT'S ON, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, BOB BERRY, 71 FOX TRACE LANE, AND I'M IN HUDSON, OHIO.
SO, I MEAN, ANY COMMENTS YOU WANNA MAKE TO THE PRESENTATION? YEAH, SO HOW WE STARTED WAS, DID, UM, RODDY, DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE CURRENT BUILDING? IS IT IN THAT, IN THAT, UM, YEAH, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT STARTED WAS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE TRIM DETAIL FOR THOSE TWO RETAIL SPACES.
UM, SO WE HAVE A NEW TENANT THAT'S GONNA BE COMING IN THAT SPACE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A LAW OFFICE ANYMORE, IT'S GONNA BE A BAKERY.
UM, IT'S A, A LOCAL BAKER WHO DOES THE, UM, THE DUBLIN, UM, FARMER'S MARKET FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
SO ANYWAYS, SO WITH THAT CHANGE, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO KIND OF RESTORE
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THE BUILDING BACK TO THE RETAIL USE, TAKE OUT THE BAY WINDOWS THAT OBVIOUSLY WERE PUT IN AND WHATEVER IT WAS, SEVENTIES OR EIGHTIES.UM, I THINK THE BUILDING WENT THROUGH A FULL RENOVATION, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, LIKE IN THE EIGHTIES, EARLY EIGHTIES.
AND THAT'S WHEN THOSE BAY WINDOWS WERE ADDED.
UM, SO THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THERE USED TO BE AN ORIGINAL DOOR, SO THAT WINDOW WOULD COME OUT, I'D JUST PUT THE DOOR BACK IN.
THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WOULD JUST MAINTAIN THE WINDOW, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT WOULDN'T BE A BAY WINDOW, IT'D BE MORE OF A DISPLAY WINDOW.
AND THE INITIAL THOUGHT WAS TO BASICALLY MIMIC THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE TRIM DETAIL THAT WAS ON THAT SIDE, AND THAT JUST TO PUT IT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
UM, BUT THEN AS I STARTED TALKING TO RODDY AND PEOPLE IN PLANNING WITH SOME OF THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS, THEN THE THOUGHT CAME UP, WELL MAYBE SIMPLIFY IT TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL SIDE LOOKED LIKE, WHICH IS WHAT THAT MIGRATION OOPS, SORRY.
TURNS INTO FOR THE, THE LAST RENDERING, WHICH WAS MORE OF A SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF THE, UH, YEAH.
WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'S CIR THAT'S, UH, IN THE BLUE.
SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT GOT TO WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN THE THOUGHT WAS THE COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND KIND OF SEE BEFORE WE MOVE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS TO KIND OF SEE WHAT YOUR THOUGHT WAS AND WHAT DIRECTIONS IT SHOULD GO.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TAKING THE WINDOWS OUT AND PUTTING THE DOOR IN.
BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S ALL ABOUT WHAT TRIM DETAILS SHOULD BE PUT UP THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE PROJECT HAPPENS.
ANY LISA? OH, PLEASE REMOVE THOSE BAY WINDOWS
I BE, THEY'RE, SO THEY ACTUALLY STARTED TO OBVIOUSLY NOT ORIGINAL OR SHOULD, SHOULD BE THERE.
I, THEY'RE ACTUALLY STARTING TO ROT AND I'M LIKE, I AM, THERE'S NO WAY I'M FIXING THOSE DAMN WINDOWS AND PUTTING NEW ONES UP.
I'M JUST GONNA GET THE, GET RID OF THEM.
SO, YEAH, I MEAN, BUT, UH, IT IS TRUE, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES, UM, YEAH, IT, IT, IT REALLY, IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE BACK TO MORE OF THE ORIGINAL AND IT'S A SIMPLER LOOK.
AND I GET IT THAT THE BAKERY PROBABLY DOES PREFER BIGGER WINDOWS.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IF YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE THE BAD STUFF, YOU PROBABLY OUGHT TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE SIMPLER DESIGN, RIGHT? YES.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S REQUIRED.
WOULD YOU HAVE YEAH, THAT'S FINE BY ME.
I HONESTLY, I, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER TO ME EITHER WAY.
YOU KNOW, JUST AS LONG AS IT LOOKS MORE LIKE MORE OF A RETAIL SPACE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE MM-HMM
SO WOULD YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TAKING OUT THE COLUMNS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DOOR? UH, NO.
I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, NO.
AND ARE YOU OKAY WITH REMOVING THE AWNING? YEAH, NOW I, I GUESS IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT LOOKS, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A RETAIL PRESENCE ON THE STREET, WHICH IS WHAT THE AWNING WAS FOR.
IF THERE WAS JUST A DOOR AND A WINDOW, THEN YOU KINDA LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, WHICH IS WHY I PUT IT THERE.
BUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T GOT INTO WHERE THE, LIKE MAYBE THE SIGNAGE WOULD CREATE THAT RETAIL PRESENCE, YOU KNOW? AND SO I HAVEN'T REALLY GOT TO THAT POINT YET.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE AN OPTION TOO.
UM, ON THE BUILDING, THE WAY IT, IT'S CURRENTLY SET UP, IF YOU WRITE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ORIG OR THE CURRENT STRUCTURE, UM, SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S A HAIR SAW IN THE MIDDLE, THERE IS NO SIGNAGE FOR THAT.
AND THEN ON THE VERY RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHICH WAS WINE INS, WHICH IS NOW GONNA BE, IT'S LIKE A GOURMET PET FOOD STORE THAT'S JUST MOVING IN THERE, THAT SIGN IS CHANGING.
UM, SO ON THE LEFT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE QUESTION IS HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT.
WOULD IT BE A HANGING SIGN SIMILAR OR WOULD IT BE MORE OF A SIGN AT THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING MM-HMM
THEN THAT, THEN IT WOULD GIVE IT MORE OF A RETAIL LOOK.
BUT THEN IF THAT WAS THE CASE, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
SO, SO MAYBE JUST ONE QUICK, SO AWNINGS ARE NOT HISTOR, I MEAN THAT WOULD NOT, I MEAN THEY'RE NOT IN THE ORIGINAL PICTURE, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS, IS SOMEWHERE COMES FROM THE 1890S, 1870S? WELL, YEAH, I DID HAVE SOME, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE THOSE PICTURES.
I HAD, WHAT I DID IS I LOOKED THROUGH SOME OF THE ORIGINAL RETAIL PICTURES FROM THAT SECTION OF DUBLIN AND UH, IF YOU HAVE THOSE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DON'T, BUT I HAVE THEM.
AND I CAN PULL UP THOSE, BUT YEAH, AWNINGS ARE PERMITTED, BUT THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIRED HEIGHT.
SO THE CURRENTLY WHAT'S SHOWN THERE AND WHAT'S EXISTING OKAY.
IS PREEXISTING BEFORE THE COURT, IT COULD NOT BE, IT MIGHT NOT, MIGHT NOT FIT LIKE IT IS, BUT AWNINGS IN GENERAL, YEAH.
MAYBE MIGHT ARE IN THE PICTURES AND IT COULD BE, COULD BE CASE COULD BE USED IF THEY FIT THE CON, LET'S SAY THE CODE, UH, CODE.
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ORIGINAL RETAIL HISTORIC STOREFRONTS IN OLD DUBLIN HAD ON IT HEADLINE.SO, AND AS WE WERE LOOKING AT OLD PICTURES, I SAID FINE.
I MEAN MAYBE, AND AGAIN, IT COULD CHANGE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT AWNING OF COURSE.
YOU KNOW, SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
BUT, UM, UH, YEAH, IF YOU JUST FLIP THROUGH IT, JUST KEEP GOING.
UH, THROUGH, UH, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
AND THEN, UH, SO LIKE THESE ARE THE ORIGINAL PICTURES FROM THE STREET AND THEN IF YOU KEEP GOING DOWN, OKAY.
JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THERE'S NOT ANY ISSUE WITH THEM.
THEN IF YOU KEEP GOING DOWN, THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER ONE OR TWO OF THEM.
BUT ANYWAYS, THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL MM-HMM
SO THAT'S WHY I DECIDED MAYBE THAT A SOLUTION TO GIVE IT THERE MORE THAT HISTORIC RETAIL LOOK.
SO YEAH, JUST CONFIRMING THAT THERE'S, WE LIKE AWNINGS, THERE'S NO PROHIBITION AGAINST THEM, BUT THERE IS MINIMUM CLEARANCE ABOVE THE SIDEWALK AND THAT ONE AT 50 DOES NOT, DOES NOT MEET THAT CLEARANCE.
SO TO TRY AND MATCH THAT IS GONNA CREATE SOME PROBLEMS. WELL THEN, YEAH.
NOW IF WE GO WITH A DIFFERENT LOOK, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS LIKE IS MORE THE SIMPLIFIED LOOK AND THEN I WOULDN'T MATCH THAT 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THEN I WOULD GO WITH A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF AWNING, DIFFERENT HEIGHT THAN WHATEVER.
SO, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT YOU WANT TO GO ANYWAYS.
YEAH, I THINK WHAT I HEAR FROM EVERYBODY IS CERTAINLY IT LOOKS LIKE IT SHOULD REFLECT WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN THE ORIGINAL PICTURES.
YOU KNOW, THE PEEL ASTER SHOULD BE BE VERY SIMPLE, VERY SIMPLE KIND OF, UH, UH, BANNER AT THE TOP OR WHAT IS IT? A CORNICE AT THE TOP.
SO I THINK WE, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS, IS IT SHOULD LOOK MORE LIKE IT DID YES.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THAT, THEN I THINK WE'RE SEEING WE'RE OKAY WITH THE POTENTIALLY ON THE YEAH.
IF THE AWNING MET CODE, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, I WOULDN'T THE PASS.
BUT IT PROBABLY SHOULD MEET CODE
ALTHOUGH WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THE RENOVATIONS GOING DOWN FARTHER FROM YOU THAT THE, NEITHER OF THOSE BUILDINGS LET ME SLOW DOWN HERE WILL HAVE AWNINGS, THE, UH, CIGAR AND WINE AND RIGHT.
SO I MEAN, IT, IT WILL LOOK NICE EVEN THOUGH IN BETWEEN THERE THERE'S THE SETBACK HOUSE.
BUT IT'LL GO NICELY WITH ALL THAT I THINK WITHOUT THE AWNINGS.
MAYBE JUST, I THINK UNLESS ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS, I THINK WE CAN TRY TO JUMP INTO THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.
I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ALL SUPPORT THE, THE CHANGING OF THAT.
I THINK UPDATING IT TO ITS OR MORE TOWARDS ITS ORIGINAL, I THINK WE ALL AGREE IS A GREAT IDEA AND WE UPDATING IT TO ITS ORIGINAL.
WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE FUTURE
SO IT'S NEW, BUT IT'S TO THE BACK.
SO GUYS, UH, COULD YOU, COULD YOU TURN YOUR MIC? SORRY.
RENOVATING, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT AND I HAVEN'T GOT TO YET THE SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A WHOLE NOTHER ISSUE THAT'S GONNA COME UP.
IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE OR WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE? 'CAUSE THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF SIGNAGE THERE FOR THAT PARTICULAR SPACE.
THERE'S CODE PROVISIONS FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO WE'D REALLY LIKE YOU TO FOLLOW THE CODE
SO IT'S CLEAR ON WHAT THE CODE, WHAT YOU COULD PUT IN THAT PARTICULAR SPOT IS I THINK IS REALLY WELL SPELLED OUT IN THE CODE.
ON THE SECOND ONE, UH, DO WE OVERALL, I THINK, UH, SUPPORT THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION OVERALL CHARACTER? I THINK AS A GROUP WE SEE THAT CERTAINLY THE DOORWAY NEEDS TO BE MORE TOWARDS ITS ORIGINAL.
SIMPLIFIED PEEL, ASTERS, NOT, NOT ORNATE, BUT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL, I THINK.
UH, DOES THE BOARD RECOMMEND, UH, CONSULTING PRESERVATION ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT? WE DIDN'T TALK REALLY ANY ABOUT THAT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE LOVELY TO HAVE A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND GIVE SUGGESTIONS.
I'M, I'M TRYING, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE I GET THE APPROVAL, THEN I HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND GET WHATEVER PERMITS ARE NECESSARY AND WHATEVER, AND THEN GET IT, AND THEN THE PERSON'S SUPPOSED TO MOVE IN THIS SPACE.
SO, UM, I COULD, UH, TIMING OF THAT SOMETIMES IS AN ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, BUT LIKE, WHAT, HOW LONG DID THIS GONNA TAKE? SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO TURN AROUND, BUT, BUT YET, AND TO HIRE SOMEBODY WHO IS A, A HISTORIC ARCHITECT.
NOT ONE THAT HAS, IS STILL ALIVE FROM THE 18 HUNDREDS, BUT THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY A HISTORIC ARCHITECT, BUT AN ARCHITECT WHO UNDERSTANDS THE CODE AND THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDINGS.
AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST A CONVERSATION WITH THE NEW TENANT SO THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE.
AS FAR AS, OR I MAYBE I WANNA SAY MORE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THE BUILDING MM-HMM
AS FAR AS THE CHANGES TO MAKE THEM COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE AND WITH THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE STRUCTURE.
I HONESTLY, I THINK THE TENANT IS GONNA BE FINE WITH WHATEVER THE TRIM DETAIL TURNS OUT TO BE LIKE IN FRONT.
SO I, I THINK WE'RE OKAY FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
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TALKED TO THEM AND, AND THEY WERE FINE WITH WHATEVER WE END UP WITH HERE.SO, SO I'D SAY FOR ME ON THE ARCHITECT, CERTAINLY I THINK IT'LL HELP YOU CONTEXTUALIZE WHAT THE AWNING SIDE, ALL THE THINGS KIND OF COMING TOGETHER.
BUT CERTAINLY YOU PUT A NEW, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A NEW DOOR IN AN OLD DOOR SPACE, IT MAY NOT BE THE SAME.
SO YOU AT SOME POINT, YES, THERE MAY BE THINGS IN THERE THAT, THAT, THAT NEED TO BE SUPPORTED BY A POTENTIALLY BY, BY A, BY AN ARCHITECT WHO DOES THIS DOOR.
NOW, THE ON THE DOOR PARTICULAR I'M, I'M LOOKING TO SPEC THAT DOOR AND PARTLY BECAUSE IT IS A COMMERCIAL SPACE.
I KNOW THAT THEY PROBABLY LIKE WOOD DOORS, UM, THEY JUST DON'T HOLD UP SUPER WELL IF YOU'RE ON A COMMERCIAL SPACE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE FIBERBLAST DOORS HAVE TO GET REPLACED, YOU KNOW, PRETTY REGULARLY.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING AT THAT.
YEAH, I MEAN, WE'VE APPROVED THE DOOR.
I MEAN, A FIBER GLASS IN A HISTORIC BUILDING ON A COMMERCIAL SPACE, WE'VE, THAT HAS BEEN, IT'S A, IT'S IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY US BEFORE.
SO I MEAN, WHEN YOU COME THE NEXT TIME WITH A FINAL PROOF RIGHT.
A FINAL PLAN TELLING US WHAT'S THE REASON YOU WANT THAT.
I MEAN, WE'VE DONE, WE'VE, WE'VE GRANTED A WAIVER FOR THAT BEFORE.
SO IF YOU HAVE A STRONG REASON WHY THAT IS APPROPRIATE IN THAT SPACE AT THAT TIME, THEN, THEN WE CAN TAKE UP A WAIVER FOR THAT.
IF THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU DECIDE YOU NEED.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE PREFERABLE.
THE STAFF HAS A LIST OF THE MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED IN THE PAST, SO.
WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOME PAINTING, SO REALLY CONSULT WITH THE STAFF ON THE COLORS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WILL COME WHEN YOU COME TO THE NEXT TIME TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THAT, ALL THAT BUTTONED UP.
ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK IT'S A GREAT ADDITION.
SO, UH, I THINK IF YOU GET THROUGH SOME OF THESE, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.
I MEAN, BEFORE I, DID YOU GET EVERYTHING YOU NEEDED? YOU'RE CLEAR ON? I THINK I AM.
I MEAN, I'LL WORK WITH RODDY TO AND IN PUBLIC COMMENT WHAT WE NEED TO DO, SO NO WE HAVEN'T.
[Case #24-153MPR]
UH, CASE NUMBER 2 4 1 5 3 MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.KAUFMAN, UH, KAUFMAN HOUSE GARDEN BEDS PROPOSAL FOR RENOVATION TO A GIVING GARDEN BEDS AT KAUFMAN HOUSE.
THE EXISTING, THE BEDS EXIST ON A 20 BY 10 PLOT.
TWO OF THE EXISTING BEDS WILL BE RAISED ALLOWING FOR A DA ACCESSIBILITY.
THE 1.286 ACRE SITE IS ZONE PUD KAUFFMAN PARK AND IS LOCATED, UH, NORTH OF THE AMARILLO PARK, EMERALD PARKWAY AND POST ROAD INTERSECTION MS. A GOOD EVENING.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF EIGHT RAISED GARDEN BEDS WITH TWO ELEVATED AND SIX RAISED GARDEN BEDS.
BEDS AT THE KAUFMAN HOUSE GIVING GARDEN.
THE 1.2 ACRE SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AND IS LOCATED WITHIN KAUFMAN PARK SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF KAUFMAN PARK DRIVE IN EMERALD PARKWAY.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT KAUFMAN PARK AND IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT LISTED AS AN APPENDIX G PROPERTY.
THE SITE IS OCCUPIED BY, UH, AN ITALIANATE BRICK RESIDENCE BUILT CIRCA 1865 AND SEVERAL OUTBUILDINGS IN ADDITION TO THE GIVING GARDEN AND THE GIVING GAR GARDEN IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, UM, ON THE MAP.
SO THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE GIVING GARDEN.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY EIGHT RAISED GARDEN BEDS IN THE GARDEN SURROUNDED BY A WOODEN FENCE.
SO, UM, AN EAGLE SCOUT CANADA IS PARTNERING WITH THE CITY PARK CITY'S PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT TO REPLACE THE EIGHT EXISTING RAISED GARDEN BEDS WITH TWO ELEVATED AND SIX RAISED GARDEN BEDS.
ALL GARDEN BEDS WILL BE MADE OF CEDAR TO PREVENT ROT AND REFLECT THE CHARACTER OF THE SITE.
ON THE SCREEN IS A RENDERING OF THE TWO EL PROPOSED ELEVATED GARDEN BEDS.
THE TWO ELEVATED GARDEN BEDS WILL BE IN THE NORTH OF THE GARDEN, WILL BE MINIMALLY VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND WILL MAKE GARDENING ACTIVITIES MORE ACCESSIBLE TO SENIOR AND DISABLED MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING WHEELCHAIR USERS.
THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE SIXTH RAISED GARDEN BEDS, WHICH WILL REPLACE THE REST OF THE GARDEN BEDS TO THE SOUTH OF THE ELEVATED BEDS.
ALL CRITERIA, ALL CRITERIA ARE EITHER MET OR NOT APPLICABLE.
PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW WITH NO CONDITIONS.
AND WITH THAT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
ANY FREE QUESTIONS? IS THE APP APPLICANT HERE? UH, SEAN KY, CITY OF DUBLIN, PARKS REC, ANY THING? UM, THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY PLANNING, WHICH WE CAN ADOPT, IF THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT IT, WOULD BE THE A DA ACCESSIBILITY
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WITH A WHEELCHAIR AND THE HEIGHT.WE CAN EITHER DO 2, 6, 6 INCH BOARDS ON TOP, OR AN EIGHT AND A FOUR.
I, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE RAISED GARDEN BEDS THAT ARE SLANTED ON THE BOTTOM SO YOU CAN GET A WHEELCHAIR UNDER AND THOSE JUST, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU COULD GET A WHEELCHAIR UNDER THOSE AND STILL BE ABLE TO REACH IN AND YEAH, WE, WE SHOULD BE FINE.
UM, IF WE, IF WE SHORTEN UP THAT BOTTOM BOARD OR YEAH.
OR LIKE I SAID, SWITCH 'EM OUT 'CAUSE IT'S REAL CLOSE TO 20.
AND JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM, WE ALSO WANNA MAKE IT ABLE FOR THEM TO, THEY SHOULD BE OKAY TO, OKAY.
SO GET UP IN, YEAH, THAT WAS JUST, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE ACCESSIBLE.
BEDS JUST HAD ONE AND JUST, MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A, HOW DO YOU USE THE BED? 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE SLA SLATTED ON THE BOTTOM, SO IF PEOPLE ARE USING IT, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE MUD AND WATER AND THINGS COMING DOWN FROM THAT.
YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE IS IN THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UM, GEO FABRIC THAT'LL BE ON THE INSIDE THAT'LL KEEP MOST OF THAT IN WATER, STILL BE ABLE TO TRANS, THE ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE IF SOMEONE IS IN A WH IF YOU'RE WATERING IT JUST, YEAH.
AND I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT RAISED BEDS, BUT HOW DO YOU KEEP SOMEONE WHO'S IN THERE NOT HAVING, GETTING THEIR LEGS OR SHOES OR SOMETHING ELSE WET? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN TRY TO HELP ELIMINATE OR, OR MAKE THAT JUST SO IT, SOMEBODY'S WATER IT.
THEY DON'T GET THEIR SHOES ALL WET.
THE ONES WE DID AT DIARY, WE HAD A, A SMALL DRAIN THAT THAT ALLOWED THE WATER TO KIND OF SEEP TO IT AND THEN TAKE IT OUT IF OKAY.
IF IT WAS TOO MUCH, UH, WATERING.
UM, THE OTHER THING JUST TO POINT OUT RIGHT NOW, UM, THESE GARDEN BEDS ARE ALL ACCESSED THROUGH LAWN, SO WE DON'T HAVE PATHS THAT TAKE YOU RIGHT TO 'EM MM-HMM
SO THERE, THERE'S A LOWER LIKELIHOOD OKAY.
BUT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE MAY, YOU KNOW, MAKE PATHS OR THAT OR YEP.
WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO, TO GET THOSE APPROVED.
BUT
AND JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND JUST HOW THAT WATER'S GONNA GO THROUGH THERE.
HOW DO YOU GET DIRT WILL BE DOWN THERE OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, HOW TO GET IT OUT ALSO.
SO THIS IS REALLY MORE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE A LITTLE MORE SENIOR, NOT HAVE TO BEND DOWN.
AND WITH MY SORE BACK RIGHT NOW, I APPRECIATE THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S A NEAT, IT'S A NEAT PROJECT.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA SINCE THAT'S PRIMARILY WHO'S VOLUNTEERING OVER THERE, I THINK.
I'D LIKE TO COMPLIMENT THE EAGLE SCOUT TOO.
I MEAN YOU, IF YOU WOULD COME UP HIM UP AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF.
UH, UH, I'M, SO, I'M A FRESHMAN AT JEROME HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, I'M ALSO AN A SPL FOR TROOP 200.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE LEADERSHIP OF THE TROOP.
SO MY EX EAGLE PROJECT IS FOCUSING ON REDESIGNING THE GIVING GUARDIAN AT KAUFMAN HOMESTEAD.
UM, AGAIN, I'M REPLACING SIX OF THE BEDS WITH NORMAL RAISED BEDS, WHICH WILL BE MORE STURDIER.
AND I'LL BE INTRODUCING TWO ELEVATED BEDS, WHICH WILL IMPROVE ACCESSIBILITY.
SO MY PROPOSED DESIGN IS GONNA RESPECT THE HISTORICAL IN INTEGRITY OF THE DUBLIN HISTORIC COFFIN HOMESTEAD BY INTEGRATING, INTEGRATING MATERIALS AND STYLES THAT REFLECT THE HERITAGE.
SO I CHOSE THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I WANNA GIVE BACK TO MY COMMUNITY IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.
GARDENING, GARDENING AND NATURE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PASSIONS OF MINE.
SO I WANTED MY EAGLE PROJECT TO REFLECT WHAT I LOVE AND THROUGH THIS EFFORT, I WANT TO CREATE A LASTING, LIKE, POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE GIVING GARDEN.
HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH, UM, THE COFFMAN HOUSE? WHY DID YOU CHOOSE WORKING ON THE BEDS FOR THE KAUFFMAN HOUSE? SO FOR THAT I RESEARCHED A BIT ON GARDEN BEDS AND HOW TO LIKE, DESIGN THEM.
AND THROUGH MY RESEARCH I FOUND LIKE THE IDEAL HEIGHT AND THE IDEAL BED DEPTH OF THE BEDS.
SO I PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH MY DESIGN.
BUT HOW DID YOU HAPPEN TO NOTICE THE ONES AT KAUFMAN HOUSE? OH, UM, SO I MET, THANK YOU.
I MET WITH, UM, MRS. IS, AND UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME RIGHT NOW.
I'M WITH MISS, WITH MRS. AL AND SOMEONE ELSE, AND THEY HELPED ME GUIDE ME THROUGH POSSIBLE EAGLE PROJECTS AND WE EVENTUALLY LANDED ON THE GARDEN BEDS AT HOFF.
I MEAN, AS YOU SAY, IF YOU WANNA MAKE A LASTING LEGACY, SOMETHING MADE OUTTA WOOD IN A PARK LIKE THAT, WE'LL BE THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
SO AS YOU COME BACK, IT'LL, THAT'S GREAT.
SO WE, AND I SAY FROM THE CITY AND ALL OF US, WE APPRECIATE YOUR, YOU GOING FOR SOMETHING THAT, UH, MAKES A LASTING LEGACY AND MAKES THE, IT MAKES THE CITY BETTER.
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APPRECIATE THAT AND IT GETS BACK TO YOUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COMMUNITY.ANY OTHER GOOD TO MY HOUSE? OH, DO WE NEED TO THAT I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW IN CASE NUMBER 24 1 5 3 MPR, UM, FOR APPROVAL WITH NO CONDITIONS.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND YOU CALL THE ROLL.
WE JUST, SARAH POST FACTO, DID WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE HAVEN'T
THAT THERE, WE GOT, UH, KAUFMAN HOUSE.
[Case #24-142MPR]
ONTO CASE NUMBER 24 1 24, UH, MINOR PROJECT REVIEW, 40 EAST BRIDGE STREET.AS VICE CHAIR I NEED TO CORRECT YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THAT 1 24 1 42 MPR, UH, THE PROPOSAL FOR THE REMODEL AND CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING HOME AT THE HIS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE 0.32 ACRE SITE IS ZONED HDHR, HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH BA, NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE IN EAST BRIDGE TREE.
SARAH, PUBLIC COMMENT, THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION AND GOOD EVENING.
AGAIN, THIS IS 40 EAST BRIDGE STREET.
THE LOCATION IS SURROUNDED BY NORTH RIVERVIEW, EAST BRIDGE AND NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE.
IT'S SHOWN IN YELLOW HERE ON THE MAP.
IT'S ZONED HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S ONE OF THE THREE AUCTION HOUSES THAT WERE SOLD IN OCTOBER OF 2023.
THESE PHOTOS SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT AND WE WILL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK, UH, AT THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS THE NORTH RIVERVIEW FACADE, WHICH THE BOARD HAS PREVIOUSLY DETERMINED IS THE FRONT FACADE, THE NEW FRONT FACADE.
THIS IS THE EAST BRIDGE STREET FACADE, AND, UM, THIS WOULD BE THE PREVIOUS FRONT FACADE.
SO NOW WE'RE FLIPPING IT 90 DEGREES.
THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ALONG NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE, INCLUDING THE HISTORIC DUPLEX PRIVY, WHICH IS SEEN THERE ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS A LANDMARK STRUCTURE, ALL OF ITS OWN, UM, THAT NEEDS A SEPARATE, UM, MINOR PROJECT.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT A SEPARATE MINOR PROJECT BE DONE.
THIS CONDITION HERE ON NORTH BLACKSMITH AND BRIDGE SITS MUCH LOWER THAN THE RIVER RIVERVIEW SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S SURROUNDED BY HISTORIC STAIRS AND A WALL.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT, UH, WITH NORTH GENERALLY POINTING UP.
IT SHOWS THE REAR YARD SETBACK WAIVER REQUEST.
WHAT'S REQUIRED IS IN BLUE, WHAT'S REQUESTED IS IN ORANGE.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN A SECOND, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO SEEKING A SMALL WAIVER FOR LOT COVERAGE, WHICH IS NOTED IN THE REPORT.
SO WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ITEMS JUST TO KIND OF BRING YOU UP TO DATE WITH WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS PROJECT.
AT THE LAST INFORMAL, THE ADDITION WAS BOTH TALLER AND WIDER THAN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ITSELF.
THIS SUBMITTAL, IT'S EQUAL IN BOTH HEIGHT, WELL, IT'S EQUAL IN HEIGHT, AND THEN IT KIND OF STICKS OUT TO THE RIGHT OF, OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
THIS IS NOT TECHNICALLY SUBORDINATE AS REQUIRED BY BOTH THE CODE AND THE GUIDELINES.
THIS CONDITION COULD BE ACCEPTABLE IF MITIGATED WITH APPROPRIATE DESIGN AND DETAIL, AND THE BOARD IS REQUESTED TO COMMENT ON THAT KIND OF FOUNDATIONAL ISSUE.
UM, IN YOUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
ALSO NOTE THE SQUARE WINDOWS HERE, UM, WHERE THERE ARE TWO INSTANCES OF THEM BEING USED.
ONE IS ON THE HISTORIC FACADE AND THE OTHER IS ON THE ADDITION.
IN THE GRAY IN THE BACK STAFF SUPPORTS THE USE ON THE
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HISTORIC FACADE WITH SILLS, LENTILS, TRIM AS REQUIRED BY CODE.ON THE ADDITION, WE ALSO SUPPORT THIS AS A, AS A GOOD TYPICAL APPROACH FOR SHED ROOFS.
WE'VE APPROVED THIS KIND OF APPROACH PREVIOUSLY.
WE WANNA SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR CONSIDERATION IN THIS DRAWING.
YOU CAN SEE HOW THE SHED ROOF IS ACTUALLY, THAT FORM IS SET BACK FROM THAT FACADE THAT'S FACING NORTH RIVER VIEW.
THAT HELPS TO MINIMIZE THE MASSING AND THE SCALE OF THAT SHED ROOF.
AND WE CAN COMPARE THIS TO WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE REAR FACADE IN THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.
SO WE DID GUIDE THE APPLICANT TO USE THE SHED ROOF FORMS. WE THINK THAT THOSE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.
THE FORMS AND THE DETAILS ARE NOT BEST DEVELOPED AT THIS POINT.
SO IF WE CONSIDER THE ACTUAL VIEWING ANGLE, THE PRIVY OUTLINE IS SHOWN HERE, AND THIS IS THE APPROXIMATE LINE OF THE WALL.
AND THAT MAKES THE FIRST FLOOR SOMEWHAT HIDDEN.
AND IN TURN, THAT MAKES THE SECOND STORY A BIT MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT AT EYE LEVEL.
WE SEE OUR LITTLE SCALED DOG WALKER HERE, AND HE IS ON THE NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE LEVEL ON TOP OF THAT WALL.
WE CAN LOOK TO THE SIDE ELEVATION ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THAT ELEVATION.
NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE IS POINTING ON THE, THE LEFT SIDE.
IF THE SHED DORMER WAS SET BACK, THAT WOULD HELP MITIGATE THE MASSING ALONG THE BLACKSMITH LANE FACADE BECAUSE IT WOULD HELP PROVIDE SOME ARTICULATION FOR THAT FACADE.
ALSO, THE RATIO BETWEEN THE SIDING AND THE WINDOWS AREN'T QUITE RIGHT YET.
THE APPEARANCE OF HEAVINESS OF THOSE DORMERS IS ACCENTUATED BY THOSE PROPORTIONS.
SO THE REAR SETBACK WAIVER REQUEST PUTS THE HOUSE A LOT CLOSER TO BLACKSMITH LANE THAN WOULD BE ALLOWED BY CODE.
THE CURRENT DESIGN, WE BELIEVE, DOES NOT RESULT IN A BETTER CONDITION, AND IT HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THAT LOCATION.
THESE ARE TWO KEY CRITERIA IN THE WAIVER APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO WE'RE FEELING THAT WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET, SO WE'RE ASKING THE BOARD TO PLEASE COMMENT ON THAT SITUATION.
NEXT, I WANNA SUMMARIZE THE ADDITIONAL WAIVERS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THEY ARE COLOR CODED WITH THE GREEN IS GENERALLY BEING SUPPORTED BY STAFF AND THE RED NOT YET.
AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL DEPENDENT ON SPECIFIC DESIGNS, MATERIALS, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, WE COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE SQUARE WINDOWS ON THE HISTORIC FRONT FACADE WITH, AGAIN, THE, THE REQUIRED SILLS, LENTILS, TRIM, ALL OF THAT.
AND WE CAN SUPPORT THE SQUARE WINDOWS IN THE SHED ROOFS.
AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, THE USE OF SMART SIDE SIDING ON THE HISTORIC HOUSE COULD POTENTIALLY BE SUPPORTED, BUT WE NEED SOME FORENSIC INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS THE ORIGINAL SIDING ON THE HISTORIC PART OF THE HOUSE.
IS IT IN GOOD CONDITION? CAN IT BE SAVED? IF IT CANNOT BE SAVED? THAT NEEDS TO BE DEMONSTRATED.
AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH THAT REVEAL WITH THE SMART SIDE.
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROACH THAT WE TOOK FOR 17 AND 27.
THE OTHER TWO AUCTION PROPERTIES, SMART SIDE TRIM IS ACCEPTABLE ON BOTH THE HISTORIC AND THE NEW PORTIONS OF THE HOUSE.
IF IT'S IN A SMOOTH FINISH, AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH 17 AND 27, THE CLEAR SIDING ON THE HYPHEN IS NOT SUPPORTED.
AGAIN, THIS IS EXACTLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED ON 17 AND 27.
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BOARDS REQUESTED TO COMMENT ON THIS AND PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION, ADDITIONAL WAIVER REQUESTS THAT MAY BE NEEDED.ARE THOSE IN LISTED HERE? HERE? GENERALLY SPEAKING, STAFF IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF MATERIAL WAIVERS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE REQUESTED OR NEEDED.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS URGED TO FOLLOW THE CODE AND THE GUIDELINES AND AND MINIMIZE THAT.
UM, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL, INCLUDING THE COLORS.
OTHER CONCERNS INCLUDE THE PORCH RAILINGS ON THE ADDITION FEEL AND APPEAR TO BE TOO MODERN.
UM, AND THEN THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF PORCH DEFINITION WITH THE ENCLOSURE, WITH THE SCREENING AND THE FRAMING OF THE SCREENS, WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD IDEA ABOUT HOW THAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
GENERALLY, THE GUIDELINES SAY DON'T ENCLOSE PORCHES.
SO OUR HOPE IS TO POSTPONE ALL REQUESTS AND PROVIDE FURTHER FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANTS.
UM, POSTPONE IS A BETTER TERMINOLOGY THAN TABLE.
WE NEED THE APPLICANT'S CONCURRENCE FOR THIS.
IF THIS IS THE CASE, THEN WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE SOME GOOD DISCUSSION USING THESE, UH, QUESTIONS AS A GUIDE.
AND IF, UM, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT WISH TO POSTPONE, THEN WE ARE, ARE KIND OF STUCK WHERE WE HAVE TO RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL WITH THESE FINDINGS AS NOTED HERE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S JUST SIMPLY NOT READY TO BE APPROVED YET.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I NEED YOU TO GO OVER THE BLACKSMITH LANE ISSUES AGAIN.
I'M NOT SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE HEIGHT OF BLACKSMITH VERSUS THE MM-HMM
UM, IF YOU MOVE FORWARD A FEW SLIDES, IT WAS THE DORMER QUESTION THAT I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT.
WHERE YOU HAD THE BRINGING IN THE YES.
SO ON ALL OF, HOW WOULD THAT HELP THE VIEW FROM BLACKSMITH ON ALL OF THESE DORMERS? THE PROPORTIONS OF THE SIDING AND THE FRAME AROUND THE WINDOW, NOT THE WINDOW TRIM.
I'M SPEAKING SORT OF METAPHORICALLY.
THE, THE THICKNESS OF THE SIDING AROUND THOSE WINDOWS SHOULD BE MUCH LESS.
AND THAT LENS, A LIGHTNESS TO THE DESIGN THAT JUST HELPS MAKE IT NOT FEEL SO HEAVY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING ALMOST STRAIGHT AT IT.
SO YOU WOULD MEAN FOR ALL THE DORMERS, THE ONES THAT FACE YES.
NOT JUST THE ONE THAT'S MARKED, NOT JUST THOSE I UNDERSTAND NOW.
AND THEN THAT EXPLAINS WHY STAFF WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE REAR SETBACK.
YES, WE COULD, IF THE DESIGN WAS AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE, THEN WE CAN MEET THE CRITERIA THAT THAT TALKS ABOUT.
UM, BASICALLY NO HARM IS DONE AND SECONDLY THAT IT RESULTS IN A DESIGN THAT'S SUPERIOR WITHOUT THE WAIVER.
UM, AND THEN THE PART THAT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ADDITION THAT STICKS OUT FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, I DIDN'T SEE ANY RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THAT FROM YOU.
IS THERE ANYTHING, ANY COMMENT FROM STAFF? SO OUR THOUGHT ON THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A SUBORDINATE CONDITION.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON PROJECTS, UM, ALL OVER CITY APPENDIX G PROPERTIES.
AND WITHIN THE DISTRICT ITSELF, THAT SUBORDINATE MEANS SHORTER, NARROWER, COMPLETELY BEHIND.
THIS IS A CHALLENGING LOT WITH SOME OF THE TOPOGRAPHIC LIMITATIONS AND THE NEED FOR THE DRIVEWAY TO GO ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE LOT.
THAT MAY SWAY THE BOARD IN MAKING AN ULTIMATE DECISION THAT THIS IS SUBORDINATE ENOUGH.
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AND WHEN COMBINED WITH THE CORRECT OR BEST DESIGN MATERIALS, COLORS, THAT CAN BE MITIGATED.SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU ALL ON THAT.
UM, IN THE RENDERING, IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, IT, AND IT'S PROBABLY THE ANGLE THAT IT'S MEANT FOR THE VIEWER TO HAVE, WHICH IS ABOVE THE REAR ROOF, LOOKS LIKE IT'S HIGHER THAN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
BUT IN THE, UH, RENDERING IN THE, THE, THE MAIN RENDERING, IT'S NOT, IS THAT TRUE WHEN YOU'RE EVEN WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE TWO ROOFS ARE EVEN? YEAH, IT'S, I THINK IT IS A BIT DECEPTIVE.
I DON'T THINK IT IS SHOWN HIGHER.
IT'S PROBABLY THAT VIEWING ANGLE THAT'S, YEAH.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS THE APPLICANT HERE.
IF YOU COULD, YEAH, GIVE US YOUR, UH, HEY THERE NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
UH, 4 3 8 9 HUNTERS BEND, POWELL, OHIO.
DAVID KNAPP, PROJECT ARCHITECT, UH, 2 0 2 SOUTH UNION STREET, TRAVERSE CITY, MICHIGAN.
SO I MEAN, YOU HEARD, I MEAN, YOU'VE SEEN THE STAFF REPORT, SO YOU SEE THAT.
SO MAYBE IF YOU COULD GIVE US A BIT MORE INSIGHT, UH, CERTAINLY AROUND, I THINK THE STAFF IS TALKING A LOT ABOUT SUBORDINATE, HOW THAT LOOKS FROM BLACKSMITH LANE, SOME ISSUES AROUND WINDOWS, THE TRIM.
SO I MEAN, YOU'VE READ THROUGH THAT AND MAYBE KIND OF GIVE A THOUGHT ON, I MEAN, EITHER YOU'RE AGREEING OR, OR WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT THE, THE, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE EITHER MEETS OR, OR HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU SEE THE KIND OF, UH, I DUNNO IF YOU'RE AGREEING OR HOW YOU'RE, HOW YOU VIEW WHAT WAS SAID BY THE CITY HERE AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S SAID IN THEIR STAFF REPORT? UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EXCHANGE BETWEEN STAFF AND US THROUGHOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PAST EIGHT, EIGHT TO 12 MONTHS HERE.
UM, AND WE'VE EVEN PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS BEFORE, UM, IN THIS WHOLE SUBORDINATION, AS SARAH COMMENTED, IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING SITE.
UM, THERE'S A LOT GOING AGAINST IT FROM THE ONSET.
IT'S FACING, YOU KNOW, A, A 12 FOOT WALL THAT IS BRIDGE STREET.
UM, SO ORIENTATION IS AN OBVIOUS ISSUE TO, TO BEGIN WITH WHAT'S FRONT, WHICH IS SIDE, UM, BASED ON OUR FIRST, UH, PRESENTATION WITH YOU GUYS, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE WERE TOLD TO ADDRESS, UM, RIVERVIEW IS THE FRONTING STREET.
AND THAT KIND OF CHANGED THE DYNAMIC OF HOW THE BUILDING GETS CITED AND HOW WE, UM, REGARD WHAT IS NOW A REAR SETBACK.
UM, AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT OUT OF THAT FIRST REVIEW, SO LONG AS WE USE, UH, RIVERVIEW AS A FRONTING KIND OF WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND THE HOUSE, SO LONG AS IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, WITHIN THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, WE HAVE A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY INTO WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND SO, UH, FROM THAT, THAT FIRST HEARING AGAIN, WE HAD A LOT OF DIALOGUE WITH STAFF.
WE BROUGHT THE ROOF DOWN TO, UM, IN PLAIN WITH THE, THE EXISTING RIDGE.
WE, WE SHRUNK THE FOOTPRINT TO STAY, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY BEHIND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL HOME.
MY ONLY COMMENT ABOUT THE SUBORDINATION IS, UH, TO SARAH'S POINT, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF PARALLAX THERE WITH THE ELEVATION CHANGE IS, IS SOMEONE'S STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK OR THE STREET OF RIVERVIEW AND LOOKS BACK TO IT.
IT IS, IT WILL APPEAR SUBORDINATE.
IT'S A HUNDRED FEET SET BACK FROM THE STREET.
AND, UM, THAT WILL INHERENTLY STEP BACK VISUALLY, UH, TO A PEDESTRIAN.
UM, I, I FEEL WE'VE DONE A LOT OF, UM, CONCESSION IN ORDER TO GET THE, THE BUILDING MASSING THE FOOTPRINT AND THE GEO AND THE GEOMETRY TO BE SUBORDINATE.
UM, I WELCOME YOUR COMMENT ON THAT.
UM, THAT ISSUE SPECIFICALLY THE WINDOWS, UM, AGAIN, OUR APPROACH TO THE SQUARE WINDOW, WHICH ISN'T NECESSARILY, UH, REPRESENTATIVE IN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE NOW THAT WE'RE BEING REQUIRED TO HAVE RIVERVIEW BEING THE FRONTAGE STREET, IT'S A WAY TO ARTICULATE AND PRESENT THAT ELEVATION MORE AS A, AS A FRONT.
AND THE, THE SQUARE WINDOWS ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, A WAY TO ALLOW LIGHT TO PENETRATE INTO WHAT'S LARGELY USELESS VOLUME IN THE EXISTING HOME.
THAT SECOND FLOOR IS, IS LARGELY USELESS VOLUME.
UM, SO WE'RE, UH, PLANNING TO CHANGE THE INTERIOR VOLUME IN THOSE WINDOWS.
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HELP ARTICULATE THE NEW FRONT FACADE, BUT IT'LL ALSO ALLOW LIGHT TO PENETRATE INTO THIS, THIS NEW SPACE.UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, DO TRADITIONAL WINTER SILL TRIM DETAILS FOR THOSE WINDOWS.
IT WAS MY APPROACH, OUR APPROACH THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NOT HISTORIC WINDOWS.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO, UH, NECESSARILY MAKE THEM APPEAR LIKE THEY WERE HISTORIC.
WE WANTED TO MAYBE, UH, SUBTLY CALL ATTENTION.
THESE AREN'T AS IMPORTANT AS THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WITH THE TRIM, THE DETAILS, THE WIND TIL THE CELL.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO CHANGE THAT.
WE'RE HAPPY TO CHANGE THAT THROUGHOUT TO MATCH, YOU KNOW, THE REQUISITE TRIM.
UM, I THINK A COUPLE MORE ON, YOU KNOW, INVENTORY OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE, THE TRIM, THE EXISTING, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME THINGS ABOUT WAIVERS ON TRIM AND OTHER THINGS THAT DON'T MATCH.
WHAT WAS, WHAT WHAT, WHAT EXISTS TODAY ON THE HISTORIC BUILDING? WHAT'S THE QUESTION? WHAT'S, YEAH, SO I MEAN, JUST GOING THROUGH, SO YOU SAY WE'RE SUBORDINATE AND THE OTHER ONES WERE THAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT TRIM WINDOW INVENTORY.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO LEAD DOWN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT THE STAFF TALKED ABOUT IN THEIR STAFF REPORT.
REALLY THE ONLY TWO POINTS I WAS COMMENTING ON AT THIS POINT WAS THE SUBORDINATION, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE A, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BIG HISTORICALLY A, UM, A STICKING POINT WITH, WITH THIS BOARD, WITH US, WITH, WITH STAFF.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO, TO MEET THIS CRITERIA.
UM, THAT'S WITHIN OUR CAPABILITY.
WE'RE HAPPY TO, UM, UH, TO PROVIDE THE TRIM DETAILS THAT STAFF IS, UM, SUGGESTING.
WHAT ABOUT THE, THE DORMERS ON THE BLACKSMITH ON THE NEWS SECTION?
UM, WE THOUGHT THAT, UH, BRINGING THE OUT THE BLACKSMITH FACING PORTION OF THESE SHED DORMERS TO THAT BACK ELEVATION WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE TWO PROJECTS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED.
UM, IF YOU NOTICE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STEPPED RIGHT IN THAT SAME PLANE.
UM, IT ALSO IS PRETTY IMPORTANT FROM A SPATIAL, UM, INTERIOR, INTERIOR, UM, FUNCTIONALITY.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS A VERY CHALLENGING PROJECT.
BEING WITH THE ROOF LINES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO STAY UNDER AND STAY SUBORDINATE TO DOESN'T OFFER US A WHOLE LOT OF FLEXIBILITY ON HOW WE CAN GET THE REQUIRED PROGRAMMATIC, UH, SPACE INSIDE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING A LITTLE CONCESSION TO, YOU KNOW, PUSHING THESE DORMERS OUTWARD.
SO MAYBE IF WE, OKAY, LET'S TRY TO START AT THE BEGINNING.
SO IF WE START WITH SUBORDINATE, I MEAN, MAYBE WE START IN A, IN A, IN A TOP LINE.
'CAUSE THIS IS SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT HERE TO SEE HOW WE FIND OUR WAY TO, I THINK THE, THE MASSING IS ONE OF THE, IS IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE AT THE MOMENT.
SO WE THINK ABOUT SUBORDINATION AND HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE SEE IT? HE SEE THAT.
AND SARAH JUST, I MEAN, AS YOU SAY, THE, THE WHOLE FRAME OF THE NEW BUILDING IS NOT INSIDE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE, THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, WHEN YOU SAID THAT, I THOUGHT IT STEPS OUTSIDE JUST SO I'M JUST CLEAR ON THAT ONE POINT.
THE GROUND LEVEL IT FROM, FROM THE FOOTPRINT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT IN LINE WITH THAT.
IF WE LOOK AT THE ELEVATION FRONT ON, UM, THAT ADDITION IS VISIBLE TO THE RIGHT AND ABOVE THE NON-ORIGINAL PORCH.
AND THE GRAY ON, YEAH, THE GRAY BELOW IS THE PRIVY CORRECT.
SO PREVIOUSLY THE BOARD HAS SAID SHORTER, NARROWER.
THAT'S WHAT, UM, THE GUIDELINES SHOW IN FIGURE, I THINK IT'S 4.2 MM-HMM
THAT SHOW HOW TO DO ADDITIONS CODE REQUIRES IT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT THE BOARD IS CONSIDERING SUBORDINATE IN THIS CASE.
DID I HEAR YOU SAY THOUGH THAT THERE MIGHT BE, OR WE MIGHT CONSIDER THAT THE CURRENT DRAWING AND HOW IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A SUBORDINATE IN THE WAY THAT WOULD BE TRADITIONALLY WANTED BY THE CODE, BUT IF WE LOOKED AT, UM, IF SOME OF THE OTHER WAIVERS WEREN'T REQUESTED THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER BEING OKAY WITH THIS.
DID I HEAR YOU SAY SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT? SO I THINK WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT IF THE DESIGN OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT
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IS MEETING OTHER CRITERIA AND IT IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF A SENSITIVE ADDITION TO A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, AND THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE POSSIBLE NEGATIVES, THEN THE BOARD MAY WANNA CONSIDER THAT THAT IS ENOUGH OF A MITIGATION.AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, SO ON THE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, IS IT THE DORMERS ARE COMING OUT AND MATCHING THE CHD DORMERS? I, I BELIEVE THEY ARE SET BACK AND THEY HAVE THE SHORTER WINDOWS AND NOT THE FULL TALL WINDOWS IN THAT SAME PLANE OF THE FACADE.
THEY LOOK MORE LIKE THAT DORMER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IN THE GRAY AREA.
SO WAIT FOR THE TWO HOUSES NORTH OF IT, THE ADDITION STAYS WITHIN THE SIGHT LINES OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, OR I THOUGHT THEY DID.
BUT THAT IS BASED ON THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY.
IT GOES AND IT, YES, IT, YOU'D HAVE TO SORT OF BURY THE FIRST FLOOR IF YOU WERE GONNA MAKE IT SHORTER.
I'M LOOKING AT, I'M LOOKING AT A PICTURE OF ONE OF THESE TWO.
AND OTHER THAN THE WINDOW BEING RECESSED, I MEAN THE, THE DORMER IN THE DORMER ROOF ACTUALLY COMES OUT TO THE EXACT SAME LIKE LINE AS THE OTHER ONE ABOVE THE GARAGE DOOR.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, SPEAKING ABOUT SUBORDINATION, I MEAN, THEY'RE MUCH TALLER AND THEY MAY NOT COME OUT TO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY'RE, I DON'T KNOW, HALF A STORY TALLER BY FAR.
I MEAN, WE CAN TAKE SOME CUES FROM THAT CERTAINLY, BUT CERTAINLY THAT THOSE LOTS HAVE ANOTHER, ANOTHER CHALLENGE THAT CAME UP.
SO, I MEAN, AS YOU SAY, YOU FIND, AS YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND YOUR WAY TO WHAT SUBORDINATE LOOKS LIKE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WHERE IT CAN FIT ON THE LOT AND WHERE IT FITS ON THE SITE.
AND AS WE LOOK AT THIS, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW, FROM THE, I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE'RE, I MEAN WE'RE BOUND BY THE CODE AND THE GUIDELINES, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT SUBORDINATE, UH, WE HAVE KIND OF TRYING TO DEFINE THAT AS IT SITS INSIDE THE FRAMEWORK.
YEAH, I'M JUST, IT'S CERTAINLY THE BACK QUESTION ABOUT THE BACK, UH, BUILDING IS, IS IS QUITE BIG COMPARED TO THE FRONT BUILDING.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT FROM BLACKSMITH IT IS, IT, I WOULD SAY IT TAKES UP A LOT OF SPACE ON BLACKSMITH, NOT ONLY SUBORDINATE, BUT IT, IT MAKES IT MORE OF A TUNNELING LOOK AS YOU, AS YOU LOOK THROUGH, AS YOU LOOK THROUGH BLACKSMITH BLACKSMITH LANE.
SO CAN WE, I'M SORRY, I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT YOU.
COULD WE SEE THAT, UH, VIEW AS WELL FROM BLACKSMITH THE RENDERING? YEP.
SO I MEAN, SPEAKING ABOUT, AS YOU SAY, IT STILL IS, IT FEELS IMPOSING AS YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A CER AT CERTAIN ANGLES.
IT, IT DOESN'T FEEL, I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS, IT DOESN'T FEEL AT ALL SUBORDINATE FROM, FROM REALLY FROM, FROM ME, FROM REALLY ANY ANGLE FROM, FROM THE NORTH SIDE, FROM BLACKSMITH.
UH, IT'S QUITE IMPOSING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, IN FRONT OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
AND THEN FROM BLACKSMITH, YEAH, THE SCHEDULE, THEY JUST, THE WAY THEY, THEY SIT IN THERE, IT'S QUITE STARK.
'CAUSE NOW WE'RE SAYING AT THE LAST ONE WE SAID, OKAY, THE REAR SETBACK COULD BE OKAY, BUT AS YOU MOVE THAT CLOSER AND CLOSER TO, UH, BLACKSMITH, IT BECOMES MORE AND MORE IMPOSING AS YOU GET MORE AND MORE DORMER AND MORE AND MORE OF, UH, OF THE MASS TOWARD THE STREET.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD AGREE THAT IF, IF WE COULD COME TO A DESIGN IN THE BACK, UM, THAT MET, I, I WOULD NOT BE CONCERNED AS MUCH ABOUT, UH, THE SPORT NATION OR THE SUBORDINATION BEING AT LEAST EQUAL TO IT.
UM, I KNOW THAT THAT BACK TOO IS, IS AWKWARD WITH THE, THE FACT THAT IT, YOU DROP DOWN AND YOU'VE GOT THAT BIG WALL THERE AND WALK BACK AND LOOK AT THAT A MILLION TIMES.
BUT SO, SO I, I DO THINK THAT IF WE COULD COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON MAKING SURE THE DESIGN REFLECTED MORE OF, UM, A HISTORIC LOOK OR, UM, I, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE SUBORDINATION ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I'D REALLY WANT YOU TO PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL ENTRANCE TO THE HOUSE BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY HIS, THAT'S TO ME WHAT'S LEFT OF THAT HISTORIC HOUSE IS THE FRONT, THE ORIGINAL FRONT.
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DISCUSSION TOO IS THAT THAT THAT PORCH AND THAT ENTRANCE, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL.SO, AND UM, AND I KNOW I CAME ON THIS BOARD AFTER THE DECISION WAS MADE TO MAKE IT REAR VIEW THE FRONT.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU PUT THE WINDOWS IN THERE AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO PUT LIGHT IN THERE.
I MEAN, SINCE YOU'RE ALREADY MAKING A SIDE LOOK LIKE A FRONT AS ANYWAYS, YOU'RE ALREADY CHANGING WHAT THAT ORIGINALLY WAS.
BUT I REALLY AM IN FAVOR OF PRESERVING WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE FRONT, BECAUSE TO ME THAT'S WHAT'S LEFT OF REALLY HISTORIC CHARACTER ON THAT HOUSE, ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
AND THEN MAYBE TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WANNA DO ON THE BACK.
I WOULD BE FINE WITH THE SUBORDINATION AS IT IS NOW.
IF WE CAN GET TO DESIGN ELEMENTS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK PUSHING THE DORMERS BACK A LITTLE BIT, WE'LL MAKE IT FEEL LESS MASSIVE ON THERE.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET TOO.
WHAT'S GONNA BE ACROSS THE STREET BLACKSMITH'S LANE.
IT'S PRETTY OVERWHELMING ALREADY AS IT IS ON THAT LANE, RIGHT? NOT ACROSS FROM THERE.
YEAH, THERE ACROSS THE ALLEY YOU MEAN? YEAH, ACROSS THE ALLEY.
IT IS A BRIDGE, STREET PIZZA, THAT KIND OF AN ICE.
I, BUT BUT THERE ISN'T THERE NOT THE PROPOSAL FOR A TWO STORY BUILDING ALONG THAT BLACKSMITH LANE ON THAT SIDE? THERE IS NOW THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH A CONCEPT PLAN, BUT WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING MORE FROM THEM.
BUT NONETHELESS, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY TOO.
I MEAN, THE ONE THAT'S WHAT A, A LOT NORTH IS TWO STORY RIGHT ON THE ALLEY.
AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THAT SHOULD AFFECT, I'M JUST THINKING IT'S, IT'S ALREADY GONNA FEEL LIKE THAT IF THEY EVER COME BACK WITH THAT.
YEAH, I THINK FOR ME, I MEAN IT'S THE MASSING, AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE STREET AND YOU WITH THE DORMS THE WAY THEY ARE, IT DOESN'T FEEL BROKE UP.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE DOOR, EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE SITTING TOWARD THE STREET.
FOR ME, THAT'S WHERE THE, THE MASS ON ON BLACKSMITH REALLY SITS IN IT.
IT, IT, IT, IT LOOKS OVERWHELMING AS YOU LOOK AT IT FROM, FROM THERE WITH EVERYTHING SITTING AND WANNA BE ABOUT 20 FEET FROM THE STREET, MORE OR LESS AND EVERYTHING KIND OF RIGHT THERE.
SO I SEE THE BLACKSMITH NEEDS SOME SOFTENING AND TRY TO, IT COULD BE MOVING THE STUFF BACK.
IT COULD ALSO BE WITH COLOR, IT COULD BE HOW THE, THE ROOF PITCHES ARE, THERE COULD BE THINGS THERE.
AND AS YOU MOVE AROUND THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAY, THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY GIVES YOU SOME, GIVES YOU SOME CHALLENGES.
BUT FOR ME, AS YOU LOOK FROM THE NORTH, IF YOU LOOK FROM NORTH AND YOU'RE LOOKING SOUTH AND WEST, THAT WHOLE THING, IT, IT DOESN'T FEEL SUBORDINATE.
I'M NOT SAYING MAYBE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SQUEEZE IT INSIDE THE FRAME OF THE HOUSE.
'CAUSE THAT ALSO COULD BE SUPER CHALLENGING.
BUT FROM A DESIGN CUES, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT BY ANY STRETCH, BUT SOMEHOW IT, IT, IT FEELS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT THERE, IT IT, IT OVERWHELMS THE EXISTING, THE THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
SO WHAT THOSE DESIGN CUES COULD BE, I'M NOT, I HAVE TO ADMIT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY COULD BE AND HOW YOU GIVE SOME DEPTH AND SOME RELIEF TO WHAT THAT CAN LOOK LIKE.
BUT FOR ME, WHEN WE, WHEN I, WHEN I THINK ABOUT SUBORDINATE AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE REST OF THE DISTRICT, THAT IT, IT, WE TENDED TO TRY TO MAKE THEM INSIDE THE FRAME.
WE MAY FIND A WAY TO COME INTO A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO SQUEEZE THE, UH, HOUSES INSIDE THE FRAME GENERALLY.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE GUIDELINE IS TELLING YOU, THAT THEY SIT KIND OF INSIDE THE FRAME OF THE EXISTING HOUSE.
AND THEY TEND TO BE, UH, UH, FOR ME, A LITTLE LESS MASSES.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE, AS YOU SAY, THE TRAFFIC WILL BE COMING OR THE PEOPLE WILL BE COMING FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO TRAFFIC FROM THE SOUTH.
IT, IT LOOKS QUITE OVERWHELMING TO THE, TO THE, TO THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE ON 17 AND 27 THOUGH, WHERE YOU HAVE A GARAGE DOOR LITERALLY ON THE ALLEY WITH TWO STORIES AND NO SETBACK WHATSOEVER.
WHERE THAT'S, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT MORE DIRECT PRECEDENT COULD BE SET.
I MEAN, I'M, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE PICTURES, IT'S, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T SEE ANY PART OF THE FRONT IF YOU'RE LOOK, IF YOU'RE ON BLACKSMITH.
I THINK THE, THE, FOR ME, THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS WHERE YOU SIT IN THE ELEVATION FROM THAT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING IN FOR THAT BLANK BLANK, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE WAY THAT THE, THE DORMERS AND ALL THAT KIND OF SITS AGAINST THE AGAINST SITS AGAINST THE, THE, THE STREET FOR ME IS A BIT OVERWHELMING.
IT'S MY, I MEAN THAT'S MY, IN MY OPINION, AND AS WE SAID, IF WE SET THEM BACK OR CHANGE WHAT THE FRAMING LOOKS LIKE AROUND THOSE DORMERS, IT COULD SOFTEN WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND JUST SETTING THE DORMERS BACK ACCOMPLISHES THAT.
OR I, I HAVE TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN IT DOES THAT.
I MEAN, FOR ME IT'S TRYING TO GIVE SOME RELIEF TO THAT, TO THAT STREET SCAPE TOO BROAD.
I MEAN, AND IT, IT SITS KIND OF, EVERYTHING'S SITTING VERY CLOSE TO THE STREET AND YOU KNOW, YOUR PEOPLE ARE, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY'RE WALKING THERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE DORMERS, EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE KIND OF HANGING TOWARD THE STREET, OUT TOWARD THE STREET.
SO THE PEDESTRIAN IS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, 10 FEET ABOVE.
YOU KNOW WHAT'S GRADE BACK THERE.
I THINK IF, AND IT'S SET BACK 20,
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WE'RE REQUESTING 22 FEET OFF THE ALLEY.IF ANYTHING, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, REINFORCES OUR, UM, THE SUBORDINATION RELATIVE TO THE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES JUST TO THE NORTH AGAIN, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, TWO AND A HALF STORY BILLBOARDS SET UP AGAINST THE, THE, UH, THE ALLEY.
I, I MEAN, WE'RE WILLING TO ARTICULATE.
UM, I I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE ARGUMENT.
THAT'S, I MEAN, THERE'S THREE OTHER PEOPLE SITTING HERE.
SO THAT, THAT'S 'CAUSE FOR ME IT JUST, HOW IT LOOKS ON THE RENDERING, IT, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S, THERE'S TOO MUCH SITTING THERE.
I I IT'S JUST, IT LOOKS TOO MASSIVE.
UH, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE TWO SEPARATE HOUSES AND PART OF THAT'S THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE COLOR SCHEMES.
UM, THE FROM BLACKSMITH, THE NEW HOUSE OVERWHELM.
AND, AND I, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
BUT WITH THE NEW HOUSE, OVERWHELMING THE, THE OLD HOUSE BECAUSE FROM BLACKSMITH YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE OLD HOUSE.
AND, AND, AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, BUT IT BECOMES THIS MASSIVE WALL AND IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO RELIEVE THAT, IT WOULD BE VERY GOOD.
SO IF, YEAH, IF THE DORMERS COULD BE LESS IMPOSING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS, AND THAT'S HOW I SEE IT SOMEHOW.
JUST TO PUT SOME RELIEF IN THAT AND MAYBE EVEN NARROW THE, THE, THE, THE DORMERS A LITTLE BIT.
THE WINDOWS ARE QUITE WIDE, QUITE TALL ALSO.
AND I WILL SECOND THE FACT THAT I OR AGREE 'CAUSE NOT A EMOTION FOUNDATION
I'M NOT SURE THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT FROM THE BLACKSMITH SIDE, IT'S JUST AN OVERWHELMING LUMP OF A HOUSE.
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THE COLORS WERE LIGHTER? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF THE COLORS WERE LIGHTER AS PART OF THIS TOO, IS THE WAY THAT THE, THE DRAWINGS ARE WITHOUT COLORS.
IF YOU LOOKED AT MAYBE LIGHTENING THE COLORS, I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO, UH, TAKE AWAY SOME OF THAT FEELING OF HEAVY MASS THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WOULD'VE SEEN THE DRAWING LIKE WE DID IN THE VERY FIRST, UM, ONE ON THE AGENDA, YOU KNOW, IT, IT LOOKS FINE BECAUSE IT'S ALL ONE, YOU KNOW.
WELL, WE, SHE HASN'T GOTTEN INTO COLORS YET, I GUESS.
BUT, UM, I MEAN THERE'S OTHER WAYS OF I THINK LIGHTNING THAT MASS MAYBE BY COLOR.
UM, I MEAN DOES THE, DOES HAVING THE ENTIRE BUILDING, IT, IT FEELS LIKE WE GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE, THE ADDITION NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE IT'S SEPARATE FROM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE HYPHEN JUST ACCOMPLISHES THAT YOU'RE WERE TOLD THAT THE LAST TIME RIGHT.
NEEDS TO KIND OF MESH A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO IT JUST KIND OF FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH.
SO IS IT, WOULD IT BE MORE PREFERENTIAL THAT EVERYTHING'S THE SAME COLOR, BODY-WISE OR SO NO, BUT IT'S TWO DIFFERENT, I, I'M, YEAH, I MEAN, FOR ME IT'S CLEARLY THAT SUBORDINATION, THERE'RE TWO SEPARATE, IT'S TWO SEPARATE STRUCTURES.
THIS NEW STRUCTURE HAS TO, IT DOESN'T NEED TO LOOK LIKE THE OLD STRUCTURE.
AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ABOUT LOOKING HISTORIC.
IT'S ABOUT THAT THE HISTORIC HOUSE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MAIN, THE FOCUS OF THE, THE FOCUS OF THE PROPERTY IS SITS, SITS WITH THE MAIN HOUSE.
AND AS YOU WALK DOWN THERE, FOR ME, THE, EVEN IF YOU'RE ON RIVER RIVERVIEW, WHERE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS GONNA BE FOR ME, AS YOU'RE WALKING DOWN, THE MAIN FOCUS FOR ME, IF YOU JUST WALKING DOWN THERE LOOKS TO ME IT'S LIKE, IT'S ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
AND HOW DO YOU SOFTEN THAT? I'M NOT EXACTLY, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WOULD THAT LOOK? BECAUSE I THINK IT IS, UH, AS WE WERE SAYING, I'M NOT SURE AT THE END I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME SQUEEZING IT INTO THE FULL FRAMEWORK.
BUT HOW DOES THAT SOFTENING LOOK? SO WHEN PEOPLE WALK UP, THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S A HISTORIC HOUSE.
AND WE, WE'VE ADDED THIS ON AS A SENSITIVE ADDITION TO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE.
SO IF THE LIGHT DARK IS FINE, IS FLIPPING THIS, FLIPPING THEM, MAKE THE FRONT MORE FOCAL? I MEAN FROM A YOU'RE TALKING COLOR STANDPOINT, WHICH, WHICH THAT SEEMS TO BE THE, OH YEAH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE DON'T AT THIS POINT KNOW WHAT COLORS YOU'VE GOT.
YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN US A LIST OF COLORS OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE.
THAT'S, WE'VE GIVEN 'EM A LIST OF COLORS.
WE HAD A, AN ANALYSIS THAT, UM, IT WAS, SORRY, VERY, IT'S BEEN FARMHOUSE IN CHARACTERISTIC RATHER THAN TRADITIONAL.
AND UM, SO WE DO HAVE A SPECIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING FROM THE LARGE PICTURE TO THE MOST SPECIFIC.
SO THE COLOR DISCUSSION IS A LITTLE BIT LATER IN, IN OUR YES AND SUGGESTED ORDER, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC, BUT WE, WE ARE QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE FRONT IS QUITE WHITE, THE REAR IS QUITE DARK, ALMOST BLACK, AND THAT,
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UM, CREATES MORE OF THE TWO SEPARATE HOUSES.I JUST, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A FEW DAYS, SO IT'S TOTALLY FINE.
SO WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS WHAT YOU INTERPRETED AS, UH, THEY NEED, IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE AN ADDITION.
SO YOU TOOK IT TO COMPLETELY LIKE A, A WHOLE DIFFERENT COLOR, A LOT DARKER.
AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD SAY THAT.
I THINK WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY, SEAN, IS THE FACT THAT, UM, THE DESIGN IN THE HOUSE DOESN'T NEED TO MATCH, RIGHT? THE FRONT, I MEAN, NO, THE GUIDELINES ALLOW THAT.
UM, SO YOU'VE DONE THAT, SO IT'S A MATTER OF, NOW HOW DO WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT BACK PIECE DOESN'T OVERWHELM THE FRONT PIECE, FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE.
I WAS SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE MAKING THE ENTIRE THING A SINGULAR COLOR, A LIGHT COLOR OR MAKING IT ALL WHITE WITH BLACK TRIM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD SOFTEN HOW MUCH THAT BACK PIECE RIGHT.
BECAUSE I AGREE, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING YOU HAVE IN THE BACK, YOU KNOW, IT SO APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE THAT HOUSE.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW APPRECIATIVE I AM OF THAT.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT MAYBE SOME OF THESE OTHER DESIGN THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND MAYBE IF WE MAKE THE HOUSE A SINGULAR COLOR, IT WOULD SOFTEN THEN THE FEEL OF THAT MASS AND PREFERABLY MAYBE LIGHTER COLOR WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW IT WOULD LOOK IN THE STREET.
I, I THINK IT HELPS THE CASE AS WELL.
UM, I'M OKAY WITH A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS.
I, WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO IS TO KEEP COMING BACK WITH IDEAS THAT JUST ARE, WE DON'T LIKE IT COME BACK WITH MORE SO, I MEAN THE MORE AGREED DISTINCT WE CAN GET THESE AND I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE CITY WANTS THIS EYESORE TO GET FIXED UP.
SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, IF YOU WANT THE WHOLE THING, ONE COLOR, TELL US YOU WANT THE WHOLE THING ONE COLOR, IF YOU WANT WINDOWS MOVED OR THINGS SET BACK LIKE IT.
I'M JUST, THE, THE AMBIGUITY HAS BECOME VERY, UH, EXHAUSTING.
SO TELL US ABOUT, UM, IF THE DORMERS ARE PUSHED BACK, WHAT WILL THAT DO TO THE INSIDE? I HEARD, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THAT WOULD AFFECT THE INTERIOR OR WAS THAT THAT'S, IS IT THREE BEDROOMS RIGHT THERE? YEAH, THAT'S THREE BEDROOMS, WHICH I ALREADY HAVE HEAD KNOCKERS ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU FIT, I THINK IT WAS A QUEEN BED THAT WE SHOWED ON EACH.
AND YOU CAN GET LIKE A SMALL, SMALL SIDE TABLES.
WHAT I MEAN IS IT IS SO HOW PUSHING 'EM BACK BUT MAKING IT ONE BIG DORMER A POSSIBILITY, ONE BIG DORMER.
SO HOW, HOW WOULD WE FEEL, SO GOING BACK TO THE MASS, SO THE POINT OF MOVING THOSE DORMERS BACK WAS TO MAKE IT FEEL LESS MASSIVE.
IS THAT LESS SLAB SIDED? YEAH.
I MEAN, AS, CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT DRAWING TO, TO TALK ABOUT THAT? 'CAUSE THE IDEA OF HAVING IT BE ONE DORMER IN ORDER TO KEEP THE VOLUME YOU WANT, BUT SETTING IT BACK IN ORDER TO HAVE, 'CAUSE I THINK YOU JUST SAID THREE BEDROOMS UP AND THEN IN ORDER TO MAKE IT SMALLER BUT NOT HAVE THREE SEPARATE DORMERS EXTERIOR.
YEAH, I WAS ASKING THAT, THAT WE'VE EVEN INTERNALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT AS A POTENTIAL OPTION.
KIND OF KICKED THAT AROUND, THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY WORK.
BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO THE PICTURE FROM, UM, RIVERSIDE RIVER RIVERVIEW AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE WHERE THE ORIENTATION IS THE FRONT THAT THIS IS WHAT BOTHERS ME, I THINK THE MOST IS THAT THE MASSING, THIS LARGE PROTRUSION, IF YOU WILL, ABOVE THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
DO YOU HAVE A POTENTIAL SOLUTION FOR THAT? I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T REALLY, THAT CUTS OUT A 30 YEAR SQUARE FOOTAGE.
I'M SORRY, I I I WAS JUST TELLING MY CLIENT IT CUTS OUT A THIRD OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ALREADY SAID THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE THAT BIG OF A DEAL.
IF WE CAN KIND OF YEAH, MARTY, WE, WE I AM, I'M ASKING, I'M NOT DIRECTING, I'M JUST ASKING
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ABOUT THAT WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE ON WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.BUT, SO BASICALLY IN THAT CASE, YOU DON'T WANT TO, UM, BUMP BACK THE TOP HALF THERE IN THAT UPPER CORNER IN ORDER TO SUBORDINATE THE ADDITION AND ADD AND MAKING IT FEWER DORMERS WILL NOT ACHIEVE THE, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU ARE SEEKING.
NOT, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE CUTTING A THIRD OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OFF THE ADDITION.
YEAH, I THINK THAT, I MEAN, YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA START TO RUN INTO A PLACE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE CLEAR.
AND SO NOT, I DON'T THINK I'M, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T, I'M, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE AM, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I THINK FROM THE BEGINNING WE SAID IT WAS, IT NEEDS TO BE MORE SUBORDINATE TO THE FRONT.
I THINK THAT CAME FROM THE LAST, LAST TWO MEETINGS.
AND I THINK FROM WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE BACK IN GENERAL WE'RE SAYING SOMEHOW IS TOO MASSIVE TOWARD RIVERVIEW IS WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE.
AND HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU SUBORDINATE THAT? RIGHT.
IT COULD BE, I MEAN, AS YOU SAY, MOVING THE DORMERS UP AND SHORTEN THEM SOMEHOW.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT AS YOU LOOK DOWN THAT LINE, AT LEAST TWO OR THREE OF US ARE SAYING, OKAY, THAT LOOKS, IT LOOKS OVERWHELMING FROM THE, FROM THAT.
SO, SO HOPEFULLY WE'VE SAID THAT FROM THE LAST TIME.
AND, AND THEN WE CARRY THIS OVER.
AND THEN AS YOU LOOK FROM THE FRONT, AS YOU LOOK KIND OF DOWN THE ANGLE, AS YOU SAY, I THINK WE MIGHT BE OKAY.
AND I THINK EVEN THE CITY SAID, YOU KNOW, HAVING IT SIT SLIGHTLY OUTSIDE THE FRAME, MARTY MAYBE HAS A DIFFERENT VIEW, BUT HOW DO YOU SOFTEN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM, FROM, FROM, FROM THAT SIDE? YOU HAVE SEVERAL ROOF FORMS THAT ARE SITTING IN THERE.
UH, YOU HAVE QUITE A, YOU ALSO HAVE QUITE A STEEP ROOF SITTING IN THERE AND WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE TO TRY TO SAY, OKAY, WE, THIS, THIS HOUSE, LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT COLOR AT THE MOMENT.
THIS HOUSE IS THE ADDITION ONTO THE BACK OF THIS ONE AND IT'S NOT THE MAIN FOCAL POINT.
SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT THE GUIDELINE IS SAYING, WHAT SUBORDINATE WHAT SUBORDINATE SHOULD, SHOULD BE THE GUIDELINES SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD GENERALLY FIT INSIDE THE FRAMEWORK.
THERE ARE, IT, IT SHOWS HERE WHERE IT SITS SOMEHOW OUTSIDE.
SO I THINK WE'VE SAID THAT IT COULD BE THAT THAT COULD WORK, BUT HOW DO YOU MAKE IT SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT, IT, IT'S THE ADDITION TO THE FRONT HOUSE.
'CAUSE HERE, I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, IT REALLY, IT'S LOOKS LIKE THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, I THINK THE COLOR DEFINITELY WILL HELP, BUT GOOD.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO, SO SUBORDINATION WORKING ON SOFTENING IT UP, NOT FEELING SO DOMINANT.
WHAT ARE THE OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO BE MORE, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S SOME MATERIAL SAMPLES AND STUFF WE NEED TO GET TO THE STAFF, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A, I MEAN CERTAINLY FROM A, FROM A, FROM A, I THINK FROM THE STAFF STANDPOINT, YEAH, FROM THE STAFF STANDPOINT.
I MEAN I THINK SUBORDINATE, I THINK WE'VE KICKED THAT AROUND A LOT.
AND I SAY I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT AND WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE TO MAKE THAT SUBORDINATE UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS ANOTHER ONE.
BUT I THINK JUST LOOKING AT IT, IT DOESN'T, FOR ME, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT FITS THE GUIDELINE, UH, NORTH ON BLACKSMITH.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK LISA, YOU HAVE, I MEAN YOU LOOK AT IT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND, AND UH, MAYBE MARTY LOOKS AT THE FRONT A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
BUT I THINK FROM, FOR ME, WE THINK IT'S, IT IT OVERWHELMS BLACKSMITH, BLACKSMITH LANE.
IF I'M, IF I'M SAYING SOMETHING UNUSUAL, UH, DOES THE BOARD SUPPORT THE MATERIAL, UH, MATERIALS INDICATED IN A NECESSARY WAIVER? SO I THINK A LOT OF THESE WE DON'T HAVE THE MATERIALS.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO I THINK HERE, I THINK THIS ONE IS FOR ME IS GONNA BE A CHALLENGING ONE.
'CAUSE SEVERAL OF THEM, WE DON'T KNOW, UH, WHAT THOSE CAN LOOK LIKE.
SO THE PVC, THE DOOR, THE, THE, THE DOOR, THE GARAGE DOOR, UH, COLORS IS ANOTHER ONE.
SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THESE THAT COME IN THAT WE NEED, THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION ON TO SAY WHAT IS A WAIVER APPROPRIATE IN THE, IN THOSE SITUATIONS.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT IT'S, THERE'S SO MANY WAIVERS.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD COMPLY WITH THE CODE A LITTLE BIT MORE
IT NEEDS, THE HOUSES NEED TO BE CONSISTENT FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE.
SO CAN WE GO THROUGH THOSE THEN? SO PORCH, P, VC MEMBRANE, THAT'S JUST NOT ALLOWED AT ALL.
OR THERE WAS A SAMPLE, I DUNNO IF WE'D WANNA GO ONE BY, I MEAN, DO WE, WE DON'T HAVE SAMPLES OF ANY OF THESE, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAMPLES OR REQUESTS OF THAT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH MM-HMM
BECAUSE FOR ME, I DON'T WANT TO, IF WE GO THROUGH THIS, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING WHEN YOU SAY PVC, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT I WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON THAT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A SAMPLE AND I DON'T THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GIVEN THAT TO THE CITY AS OF YET TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE, WHAT WE WOULD ASK FOR.
BUT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S UNDER THE DECKING.
THIS IS ON THE QUARTER INCH TO 12 PITCH.
SO UNDER THE PORCH ROOFS, UNDER THE
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PORCHES OR UNDER THE PATIOS, ANY OF THE GO SLOPE ROOFS.SO CAN ANY OF THESE SARAH, UM, STAFF, SORRY, UM, BE CONDITIONALLY APPROVED PROVIDED WE, UH, DELIVERED THE REQUISITE SAMPLES AND WE'RE WILLING TO, TO, I, I KNOW SOME OF THE STAFF REPORT TOOK OBJECTION TO THE, UM, UM, THE REVEAL OF THE, THE SIDING ON THE ADDITION.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE WILLING TO BRING THAT DOWN TO A MORE, UH, I GUESS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, UH, PROPORTION WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TO ME, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE MINUTE DETAILS THAT I'M WONDERING IF, UM, WE CAN HAVE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OR, UM, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING TO KEEP THIS MOVING FORWARD.
SO THERE'S NO WAY TO HAVE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL FOR ITEMS THAT REQUIRE WAIVERS AND THESE THAT ARE LISTED ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT REVIEWED ANY OF THOSE MATERIALS.
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD HAVE, UM, THE BOARD APPROVE OR ALLOW STAFF TO APPROVE CERTAIN THINGS AT A LATER DATE.
WE ARE NOT AT THAT POINT RIGHT NOW AT ALL.
SO I MEAN, I, I THINK GENERICALLY AS WE LOOK THROUGH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT.
AND I THINK YOU SAY, I MEAN CLEARLY THERE'S A LOT OF WAIVERS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY, OR THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM TO START WITH AND THEN A LOT OF INFORMATION TO SAY WE COULD APPROVE ONE OF THEM.
I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY WAY WE COULD DO THAT.
SO I THINK FROM A WAIVER STANDPOINT AND FROM, UH, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL WAIVERS THAT I THINK THAT THAT EVENTUALLY COULD COME ALONG.
BUT IF WE TALK ABOUT WAIVER ON LOT COVERAGE OR A SETBACK, IT'S GONNA COME TO WHAT SUBORDINATE LOOKS LIKE.
I THINK WE APPROVE, WE SAID THAT WE COULD BE INTERESTED.
IT COULD BE OKAY IN THE LAST ONE.
BUT AS WE LOOK AT WHERE THAT, WHERE THE MASS IS GONNA SIT AGAINST THE STREET, WHERE SHOULD IT SIT AGAINST THE LOT LINE IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, I THINK ALL OF THESE WAIVERS HAVE, ARE, ARE REALLY CONTINGENT ON HOW THE, HOW THE, HOW THE WHOLE THING COMES TOGETHER.
SO I MEAN, FOR ME, I WOULD STRUGGLE TO APPROVE, I WOULD STRUGGLE TO APPROVE, UH, APPROVE THEM AS THEY SIT HERE.
JUST FROM THE, I WOULD SAY FROM THE STAFF REPORT ON, ON LACKING OF INFORMATION AND FROM, UH, WHAT WE HAVE ON THE WAIVERS THAT WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION.
IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GIVE SOME DIRECTION ON, AGAIN, IF YOU COULD BRING THAT ADDITION WITH LESS WAIVERS THAT WE'D BE, OR SOME OF US WOULD BE INCLINED TO GO WITH THE ADDITION OF TELLING YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THE BACK TO BE SOFTENED.
AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST ONE DORMER, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE SPACE INTERIOR.
SO MAYBE LOOKING AT THAT, LOOKING AT A WAY TO MAKE THE MASS MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, NOT LOOK AS HARD IN THE BACK AND, UM, THAT WE AT LEAST WOULD, COULD GIVE DIRECTION THAT IF, IF SOME OF THOSE THINGS WERE TRUE, WE'D BE MORE OPEN TO THE SUBORDINATION, AT LEAST TO GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION THAT WAY.
AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE TO SOLVE THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO, OKAY, THAT'S, I'M SAYING, I JUST WANNA SURE.
EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT FROM THE, FROM THE BLACKSMITH IT LOOKS FOR ME IS OVER, IT'S OVERWHELMING AND IN KIND OF, UH, FROM THE STREETS SCAPE, IT DOESN'T FEEL SUBORDINATE TO TO, TO THE STREET, TO THE PEOPLE FROM THE BACK.
AND THEN AS YOU LOOK FROM THE FRONT, AS YOU SAY, IT COULD BE OPEN, IF IT'S GONNA SIT A BIT OUTSIDE, WHICH IT, I'M GONNA LOOK AT IT PROBABLY IS GONNA HAVE TO AT SOME POINT BE OUTSIDE THE FRAMEWORK.
BUT HOW DO YOU MAKE IT LOOK LIKE, COULD BE COLOR, COULD BE OTHER THINGS.
HOW DO YOU MAKE, LOOK AT IT'S THE ADDITION TO THE, TO THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE CODE IS ASKING US TO DO.
THE HISTORIC HOUSE, UH, IS THE FOCAL, THE THE, THE BACK IS SAY IS GONNA BE YOUR MAIN LIVING AREA.
BUT I MEAN THE, THE FRONT, THE THE HISTORIC HOUSE IS GONNA BE THE FOCAL POINT.
AND HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU WALK DOWN THERE YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THAT'S THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
THEY'VE ADDED THIS ON IN THE, IN THE, IN THE PRESENT.
BUT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GIVING HOMAGE TO THE FRONT, RIGHT? IT IT'S GONNA BE SUBORDINATE TO THE FRONT, TO THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
SO, AND FROM A HOW THAT WOULD LOOK, I, I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A GREAT SUGGESTION FROM, BUT UH, BUT I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE A BIT OPEN, IT COULD BE A BIT OUTSIDE THE FRAME, BUT IT, HOW IT LOOKS SUBORDINATE FROM THE BACK AND THEN FROM THE NORTH SIDE IS HOW I SEE IT.
AND I'M OPEN AND I'M ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE WE ALL WANNA MAKE SURE THIS GOES DOWN THE PATH, BUT IT'S IN A SUPER IMPORTANT PLACE IN THE, IN THE DISTRICT ALSO.
UM, I CAN, THIS IS THE SCREENING OF THE HISTORIC FRONT PORCH.
I I I THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS THAT I WOULD LIKE THE PORCH TO LOOK LIKE THE HISTORIC FRONT PORCH.
UM, AND SCREENING WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THAT, AT LEAST AGAIN, IN YOUR RENDERINGS IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S JUST ONE FLAT FACE INSTEAD OF AN OPEN PORCH.
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TO THE OLD FRONT DOOR AND THE OTHER THINGS THERE.SO IS THAT MEANING SCREENING IT, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO PUT THAT ON A DRAWING TO DRAW A SCREEN.
IS IT JUST OUT COMPLETELY? YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK IF, UM, I THINK IF IF, IF IT'S A SCREEN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE SCREENS THAT ARE PRETTY, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THEM.
AND IT'S, ARE YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING TO PERMANENTLY SCREEN IT OR ARE YOU JUST LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REMOVABLE AS AS WE HAD 'EM DESIGN.
COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? THEY'RE A REMOVABLE SYSTEM AS WE HAD 'EM DESIGNED AND DETAILED.
I MEAN SELFISHLY MY, IT'S NEAR THE RIVER.
MY WIFE CAN GET BIT THROUGH A PAIR OF JEANS AT A CAMPFIRE.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING ABOUT POTENTIALLY DOING, COMING HERE WITH THE SAME KIND OF THING FOR A SIDE PORCH.
UM, SO MAYBE IF IT WAS A REMOVAL, I WOULD PROBABLY BE FINE OR YEAH, THE, THE KIND THAT ARE SEE THROUGH OR IF THEY'RE SET BACK A LITTLE BIT FROM THE COLUMNS MAYBE SO THAT WE STILL SEE THE COLUMNS.
AND I KNOW YOU'D LOSE SPACE THAT WAY, BUT IT'S NOT THAT MUCH.
UH, BUT TO MAKE THEM BE, YEAH.
HATE TO USE THIS WORD AGAIN, BUT SUBORDINATE TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE,
I MEAN AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SOME PERMANENT, YOU KNOW, FRAMING IN THAT IT'S ALWAYS SITTING THERE.
I MEAN THE, THE, THE GUIDELINES TALK ABOUT DON'T ENCLOSE THE PORCH, RIGHT? SO IF YOU CAN FIND A WAY THAT SAYS, OKAY, IT KEEPS THE MOSQUITOES OUT, BUT IT, IT STILL LOOKS LIKE IT'S OPEN.
I THINK THAT'S KIND HOW WE'RE, HOW WE'RE TRYING TO FRAME THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT SCOPE AND WE TALKED ABOUT COLOR AND I, I THINK COLOR COULD GO A LONG WAY TO HELPING THAT BACK LOOK.
BUT LET'S, I MEAN WE JUST WANNA HAVE SOME CLARITY THAT, THAT THE COLOR SHOULD COME FROM THE PRE-APPROVED LIST.
SO I MEAN, WHEN WE, I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION, WHICH THEY ALL DID RIGHT NOW, SO IN TIME AND SOME OF 'EM TIME PERIOD, RIGHT? THEY'RE SET BY TIME PERIOD.
SO WHEN IT'S RIGHT SARAH, I'M SORRY, THE, THE COLOR SCHEMES ARE SET BY TIME PERIOD.
SO IT WOULD BE SET BY THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AGE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND IT'S THE COMBINATION OF COLORS THAT IS SO IMPORTANT, HOW, HOW YOU DO THE FRAMES VERSUS THE, THE MAIN BUILDING AND ALL THESE.
SO I KNOW THE CITY, YES, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON COLOR.
SO I THINK ON THIS ONE, I THINK THE CITY CAN GIVE YOU VERY GOOD GUIDANCE.
AND IF IT COMES FROM THAT THROUGH WHAT THE, I'LL SAY OUR HISTORIC DOCUMENTS SHOW, I THINK THAT'LL BE EASY TO APPROVE EVERY COLOR ON THERE IS THE TRICO BLACK IS IN THE, WHAT'S ALLOWED FOR TRIM.
THE GREENISH GRAY IS FROM THE APPROVED COLORS.
AND SO IS THE PURE WHITE SHER.
THEY'RE ALL, I BELIEVE SHERWIN WILLIAMS, MAYBE ONE OF THEM WAS PPG, BUT THEY'RE TIME SPECIFIC AND EVERYTHING.
BUT, AND AGAIN, I DON'T THAT, I DON'T WANNA HOLD UP THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE COLOR.
UM, BUT WE DID PICK FROM THAT LIST ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO MAYBE TALK ABOUT IT WITH STAFF AND, AND TAKE OUR VIEW THAT ONE COLOR ALL OVER OR SIMILAR COLORS FRONT TO BACK WOULD PROBABLY, AND AND LIGHTER WOULD PROBABLY BE THE PREFERENCE.
IT'S NOT THE PREFERENCE, I JUST THINK THAT MIGHT HELP TO SOFTEN IT.
I MEAN, BECAUSE I KNOW COLOR WAS A BIG POINT.
SO THE QUOTED SECTION FROM THE PRE-APPROVED COLOR DOCUMENT THAT IS IN THE STAFF REPORT IS REALLY THE NECESSARY GUIDANCE THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR FOR THIS COLOR SCHEME.
THE QUESTION WE HAVE TO ANSWER.
UM, I THINK WHAT'S CHOSEN RIGHT NOW IS STILL A FARMHOUSE SCHEME.
THE COLORS ARE ALL IN THAT LIST.
IT'S THE COMBINATION AND IT'S HOW THEY ARE USED THAT IS CONTRARY TO THAT QUOTED PARAGRAPH IN THIS STAFF REPORT.
AND SO IF WE GAVE THEM THE DIRECTION THAT WE GAVE THEM, WOULD THAT BE OKAY? IT WOULD BE, I BELIEVE, ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINE.
LIKE IF IT WAS ALL IN ONE COLOR, UH, THAT A CHOSEN COLOR FROM THE PALETTE, THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
AND SO YES, IF YOU CHOOSE ONE OF THE COLORS FROM THE PALETTE, MAYBE ONE OF THE LIGHT, YOU KNOW, A LIGHTER SCHEME, MAYBE ALL WHITE OR SOMETHING I'M SUGGESTING THAT IS ALLOWABLE AND IT MIGHT MAKE THE MASSING LOOK SOFTER.
WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK ROOF WINDOWS TRIM? 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S ON THE LIST LIKE THAT.
I, BUT I THINK THIS ONE'S WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT LOOKS MORE FARMHOUSE.
SO I THINK THIS, I THINK THIS SPECIFIC COLOR, I THINK THE STAFF CAN GIVE A LOT MORE GUIDANCE ON THAT ONE.
THEN WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE, 'CAUSE THE COMBINATION
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OF COLORS IN TIME PERIOD ARE IMPORTANT AND I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THEM.AND THEN, AND THEN FROM THERE, HOW IS IT GONNA FLOW TO THE, TO THE, TO THE NEW EDITION? I THINK THAT WILL HELP YOU SUBORDINATE THE HOUSE.
AND I THINK THE STAFF, SARAH, I'M TALKING A BIT FOR YOU, BUT I THINK ON THIS ONE, THE STAFF CAN HELP A LOT DEPICT A COLOR FOR THE ORIGINAL HOUSE SUBORDINATE WITH THE TRIM AND ALL THESE.
AND THEN HOW DOES THAT FLOW TO THE BACK HOUSE IN, IN A, IN A COMPARABLE SIDE? 'CAUSE AS I SAY HERE WE'RE TALKING FARMHOUSE IS NOT A NORMAL, I MEAN THOSE ARE, THEY'RE APPROVED COLORS, BUT MAYBE NOT IN THIS SITUATION.
AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK THE STAFF REALLY CAN HELP YOU FIND YOUR WAY DOWN THE COLOR, UH, THE COLOR PALETTE.
I MEAN, SO YOU'RE NOT, THE ONES TO ANSWER IS BLACK.
SO RIGHT NOW I WAS SAYING WHAT, WHAT I'LL SAY FROM I'M TAKING THE QQ FROM THAT, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE A, I'M TAKING, I THINK IT IS WHAT IT SAID BLACK ON THIS PARTICULAR THING IS LIKELY NOT APPROPRIATE FOR WHERE IT SITS BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING THAT 'CAUSE IT, IT'S MORE OF A FARMHOUSE SCHEME AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THAT SECTION.
IT'S APPROVED, BUT IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE APPROVED IN THAT SPOT.
AND WE HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
SO BECAUSE OF YEAR I, I'M, I'M KIND OF LOST THERE BECAUSE I OWN ONE 13 SOUTH HIGH THAT WAS BUILT RIGHT AROUND THE EXACT, IT WAS DEFINITELY IN THE SAME PERIOD.
IT'S STARK WHITE WITH DEAD BLACK ROOF SHUTTERS, EVERYTHING.
AND THERE'S A NUMBER AND A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON HIGH STREET, UM, WITH THAT SAME CAR PALLET, THERE COULD BE, YEAH, I, BUT I THINK ON THIS ONE, IT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE EXACTLY IN, IN THE, IN THE F FRAME, IN THE FRAMEWORK THAT THIS, THAT THIS BUILDING SITS.
WE HAVE ALSO EXPLAINED THAT THOSE WERE APPROVED PRIOR TO THE CURRENT CODE AND GUIDELINES AND CERTAINLY BEFORE THE PRE-APPROVED COLOR PALETTE.
AND IT ALSO DEPENDS, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, IT IS TIME DEPENDENT ON WHEN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS CONSTRUCTED.
SARAH REFERRED US TO THE PARAGRAPH FROM THE CODE OR THE SENTENCE FROM THE CODE AFTER 1840, TRADITIONAL STONE AND EARTH COLORS WERE USED SOFT AND NATURALISTIC TO BLEND IN WITH THE BUILDING SURROUNDINGS.
AT THE END OF THE PERIOD, TWO SHADES OF THE SAME COLOR COULD BE USED WITH THE LIGHTER SHADE USUALLY FOR THE TRIM.
SO I THINK ON THIS ONE, AND I THINK THAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE A GOOD SCHEME THAT I WOULD APPROVE.
SO TRADITIONAL STONE AND EARTH COLORS, SOFT AND NATURALISTIC BLENDING IN, UH, OR, AND, OR TWO SHADES OF THE SAME NOT OR, BUT TWO SHADES OF THE SAME COLOR.
LIGHTER SHADE FOR THE TRIM, EXCEPT THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A LIGHT, AND I WOULDN'T SAY WHITE, MAYBE A STONE COLOR OR AN OFF WHITE, BUT, UM, SURE.
BEIGE BUT LIGHTER, THE SOFT EARTH COLORS, WE, WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT.
I THINK FROM THIS ONE, I THINK IT'S CLEAR.
I THINK THIS ONE, I THINK THE CODE IS FAIRLY CLEAR.
THE COLOR PALETTE IS FAIRLY CLEAR.
AND I THINK FROM A, FROM A FRAMEWORK, I THINK THIS IS SOME FROM A STAFF, YOU GUYS CAN WORK THIS OUT.
AND I THINK ONCE THE STAFF KIND OF COMES IN AGREEMENT THAT IT FITS IN TIME TO TIME PERIOD AND WHERE, WHERE THE, WHERE IT'S GONNA SIT INSIDE OF THE CITY.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE OKAY WITH THAT.
ESPECIALLY IF IT HAS THE ADD ADDED BENEFIT OF SOFTENING THE APPEARANCE OF THE STRUCTURE.
BUT HERE, I MEAN THE ONE THING, I MEAN, I I'M GONNA TAKE MAYBE A QUICK STRAW JUST AS WE CAN GO THROUGH, BUT I MEAN, JUST FROM THE, 'CAUSE IF TO GO FORWARD, THREE OF US HAVE TO, WOULD HAVE, HAVE TO VOTE IN A, IN THE AFFIRMATIVE IF WE WANT TO GO FORWARD.
AND JUST MAYBE AS A STRAW POLL, I MEAN, FOR ME, I PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH INFO.
I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DRAWING HERE TO SAY THAT I COULD APPROVE A MINOR PROJECT TODAY.
I, I THINK THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE SITTING, SITTING IN A, IN A STATE THAT IT'S UNUSUAL.
I MEAN'S KIND OPPOSED TO THE CONDITIONAL APPROVALS AS WELL.
UH, SARAH, YOU HAD MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT, UM, IN ORDER TO POSTPONE AS OPPOSED TO TABLE, WE WOULD NEED AGREEMENT FROM THE APPLICANT.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE FIRST QUESTION.
SO, I MEAN, FOR ME, I MEAN AT LEAST FROM OUR SIDE, WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES, RIGHT? SO WOULD YOU AGREE TO A POSTPONEMENT? I DON'T SEE THE, ANY OTHER OPTION? NO.
THEN THAT WE JUST NEED A MOTION.
WE HAVE TO DO IT BY MOTION AND VOTE.
SO JUST ONE THING JUST BEFORE WE VOTE, 'CAUSE I JUST WANNA SAY ANYTHING ELSE ON THE RECORD.
DOES ANY OTHER COMMENT? THIS IS PROBABLY THE LAST, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE, THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT.
WE'RE HERE, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE I JUST, YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT
BEING AN EXAMPLE, IT'S BASICALLY FEELS LIKE REFERENCE.
NO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PICK COLORS FROM A LIST THAT ARE FROM YOUR
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TIME PERIOD AND THEY'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH, AND THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL TRY AGAIN.I MEAN, WE'VE, THIS IS AT LEAST THE THIRD MEETING THAT WE'VE HAD HERE.
WE'VE HAD, I DON'T KNOW, 10 CALLS WITH THE CITY AND IT FEELS GENERALLY LIKE, IT'S LIKE, HEY, I, WE DON'T LIKE THIS GUESS AGAIN.
AND IT'S, I THINK THEY'VE GIVEN YOU DIRECTION IN THE STAFF, AT LEAST IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO I FEELS PRETTY DETAILED TO ME.
I I WOULD DISAGREE AND I WASN'T IN ANY OF THE CALLS, SO I WON'T SAY, BUT I WOULD DISAGREE.
'CAUSE WHAT I READ IN HERE, IT'S SOMEHOW CLEAR HOW THEY, THE DIRECTION THEY WANT YOU TO GO.
SO, I DUNNO WHAT OTHER CONVERSATIONS WERE GOING, BUT WHAT I'VE READ IN THE STAFF REPORT, THEY, THEY'RE MOVING YOU TOWARD A DIRECTION THAT IS MORE CLEAR.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO GUESS.
OKEY DO, BUT I MEAN, TO, TO LISA'S POINT, I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
I MEAN, AS YOU SAY, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ARCHITECT IT FOR YOU.
UM, BUT AS, AS YOU SAY, WE'RE GOING A BIT IN A CIRCLE HERE, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING, IS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION INSIDE OF HERE THAT WE CAN, THAT, THAT WE CAN TRY TO CLARIFY FOR YOU IN A, IN A BETTER WAY? NO, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF BEATING A DEAD HORSE.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, UH, ARE, ARE YOU OKAY TO POSTPONE, OH, LET ME START, ARE THERE PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE I GET TOO FAR DOWN? THERE ARE NOT.
FROM, UH, FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, ARE YOU OKAY TO POSTPONE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW AND THEN WE HAVE TO POSTPONE THE WAIVERS TOO? IS THAT WE WOULD POSTPONE BOTH THE WAIVERS AND THE MINOR PROJECT.
SO MAY I ASK WHAT POSTPONE MEANS IN THIS, IN THIS CONTEXT? SURE.
WHAT, WHAT ARE NEXT STEPS? WHAT, SO POSTPONEMENT, AS I SEE IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A TIMEFRAME.
SO I THINK THAT NOW YOU, IT'S A BIT OPEN TO YOU WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH THE DETAILS.
SO I THINK IF WE TABLE IT, THEN IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, THE NEXT MEETING KIND OF THING.
IT COULD, IT COULD MEET THE TIMELINE.
SO POSTPONEMENT MEANS IT'S MORE OPEN ON, ON YOUR SIDE OF WHEN YOU WOULD COME BACK.
TABLING THEORETICALLY MEAN YOU WOULD COME BACK THE NEXT MEETING.
SO WE'RE GIVEN A POSTPONEMENT.
SO IT'S, IT'S MORE OPEN ON THAT SIDE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD IS TAKE WHAT WE'VE SAID, BRING BACK THE MATERIALS AT THE SAME TIME.
LET'S TRY TO DO IT IF WE CAN ALL AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION, BUT A COUPLE THINGS I THINK CLEARLY, I THINK SAID IF WE CAN TRY TO FOLLOW THE CODE, SO LESS WAIVER SO WE CAN TRY TO ELIMINATE WAIVERS.
IF WE CAN ELIMINATE WAIVERS, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK IS, IS GOOD.
WE DON'T TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE GONNA FIT.
SO I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, UH, ON THAT SIDE, HEATHER, YOU HAD ONE OR THREE, YOU HAD TWO POINTS.
NOW THE WAIVERS, AND NOW I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE OTHER ONE IS, BUT IF YOU COME BACK WITH THAT, AND I THINK THE STAFF HAS GIVEN A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT REVEALS, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE WE DO A WINDOW, WINDOW INVENTORY, MAKING SURE WE KNOW IF THERE ARE WINDOWS THAT ARE HISTORIC FABRIC THAT'S INSIDE THE BUILDING THAT'S HISTORIC.
THERE'S SOME THINGS ON RAILINGS THAT COULD NEED WAIVERS AND COULD YOU PUT THAT INSIDE THE CODE? SO I THINK INSIDE THE STAFF REPORT, I DUNNO, THERE'S 10, 12, 15 THINGS IN THERE THAT I THINK THEY'VE GIVEN DIRECTION TO ONE WAY.
AND YOU'RE FREE TO TRY TO FIND WHAT, WHAT FITS FOR YOU.
BUT I THINK THIS, IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION THAT SAYS, HEY, TRY TO GO DOWN THIS WAY, TRY TO DO A FEW OF THESE THINGS AROUND THE FRAME OF THAT.
AND THEN HERE'S WHERE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SOFTEN IF I PICK SUBORDINATE, HOW YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SOFTEN, MAKE IT LOOK MORE SUBORDINATE.
AND THE OTHER THING IS IT'S A OVER AND OVER AGAIN, STAFF REPORT SAYS MATERIALS WERE NOT PROVIDED MM-HMM
WE NEED THE MATERIALS SO THAT WE KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THE SCREENS ARE GONNA LOOK TRANSPARENT, THAT THE COLOR IS AN ACTUAL STONE, UM, AND DOESN'T HAVE, HAS ENOUGH AND NOT ENOUGH, UM, REFLECTIVE CHARACTERISTICS TO IT.
THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, SO IT IT TO BE MORE PREPARED WOULD BE THE, THE THE DESIRE AND A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON THE HISTORIC SIGHTING SITUATION BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GONE BACK TO THAT ISSUE.
BUT THAT IS STILL AN ISSUE HERE TOO.
THE CONDITION OF THE HISTORIC SIGHTING.
AND WHAT, LIKE, IS THAT, IS THERE SOME SIDING EXPERT THAT NEEDS TO GIVE A, AN OPINION OR HOW DO WE, HOW I, I COULD TALK TO THE NEIGHBOR WHO HAD THIS ISSUE, UH, THAT I'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH QUITE A BIT, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS JUST, HE SAID, THIS IS NOT FIXABLE.
I, IS IT PICTURES? LIKE WHAT, WHAT, HOW DO WE DO THAT? SO I THINK, I MEAN, WITH THE STAT, I MEAN YOU CAN GO OUT AND TRY TO REVIEW A BIT WHAT, WHAT THE OVERALL CONDITION IS AND IF YOU PULL IT OFF, THERE COULD BE SOMETHING UNDER IT.
I GUESS ALSO MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE AND COMMEND, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE LOOKED RECOMMEND YEP.
SOMEBODY AND WE CAN COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK.
AND, AND FOR ME IT'S MORE ABOUT AN INVENTORY AND IT COULD BE YOU SAY, HEY, IT'S ALL BAD, RIGHT? AND THEN WE HAVE TO SAY, WE'RE GONNA RE WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT LOOKS AS HISTORIC, LOOKS IN THE
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SAME, SAME VEIN AS WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY.YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A LAP SIDING OR IF IT'S SCALLOPS, WHATEVER, I REMEMBER, IT'S ALL ON THERE.
BUT AS YOU DO THAT, INVENTORY STAFF CAN HELP YOU SAY, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THAT WILL WORK.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND HERE'S SOME OPTIONS TO SAY IT'S GONNA LOOK IT, IT'S GONNA LOOK AS BEST AS IT COULD AS IT WAS IN THE PAST AND GO DOWN THAT PATH.
SO I THINK ON THOSE, UH, I THINK THAT'S CLEAR FROM THE STAFF THAT THEY CAN HELP YOU FIND YOUR WAY AROUND THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED SOMEBODY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE THAT CAN HELP THEM, BUT THE STAFF CAN HELP YOU ON THAT.
SO, SO CURRENTLY, UH, THE WHOLE LOWER STORY OF THE EXISTING HOME IS UNDER PRESUMABLY AN ASBESTOS SHINGLE, LARGER FORMAT, ASBESTOS SHINGLE.
YOU KNOW, WE COULD DETERMINE OURSELVES FROM OUR NAKED EYE AT THE CORNER WHERE THE TRIM DETAILS WERE MISSING IN THAT, UM, OVERLAY SIDING, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING SIDING UNDERNEATH THAT, PROBABLY ORIGINAL IS IN ROUGH SHAPE, BUT THAT'S JUST AT A CORNER CONDITION.
DO WE NEED TO TEAR OFF ALL THE SKIN, ALL THAT ASBESTOS SIDING TO MAKE A FULL DETERMINATION? WHERE, WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE FOR ME? SO, I MEAN, CERTAINLY THE, THE, THE, THE VISION OF THIS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESERVE THE HISTORIC FABRIC AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
SO IT COULD BE YOU HAVE TO GO IN AND YOU'RE GONNA, I GUESS, GONNA PULL SOME STUFF BACK AND SEE WHAT'S UNDER THERE.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PULLING OFF THE WHOLE THING OR TAKING A SAMPLING TO SEE WHERE IT IS.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
PROBABLY PULLING OFF A SAMPLE, SAY, OKAY, I TOOK FIVE SPOTS OFF.
I DON'T KNOW HOW EXACTLY IT'S DONE, BUT THE PREMISE IS THAT IF THERE'S HISTORIC MATERIALS IN THERE, WE SHOULD DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO PRESERVE THEM AND ADD, AND, AND THAT THEY STAY WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
AND, AND WE'RE IN FAVOR OF THAT TOO.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
SARAH, COULD YOU SAY WHAT THE USUAL STAFF PROCEDURE WOULD BE FOR THIS? YES.
UM, THE INITIAL THING IS, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
THIS HAS BEEN THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'VE EVEN HAD TO DISCUSS SIDING.
UM, WE CAN COME OUT TO THE SITE WITH YOU.
WE CAN HELP PEEL BACK SOME OF THOSE PIECES AND, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THERE.
WE ALSO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO CAN TAKE A MORE DETAILED LOOK AT IT.
UM, AT THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, 17 AND 27 ARE ACTUALLY MILLING NEW SIDING TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL SO THAT IT HAS THE VERY BEST HISTORIC APPEARANCE.
THERE WASN'T A WAY TO SAVE THAT.
BY THE TIME THEY WERE DONE MOVING THOSE BUILDINGS, THERE WASN'T MUCH LEFT.
WE JUST, YOU KNOW, TALK TO US FIRST AND WE'LL GET YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
SO DO WE NEED A MOTION TO PROPOSE? YES.
DO WE HAVE TO ADD MOTION AND A VOTE? ALL RIGHT, SO I MOVED TO POSTPONE THE MINOR.
OH, IS THERE, IS IT ON HERE? ON PROJECT? YEAH.
THE, OH, DO YOU WANT A SEPARATE VOTE ON ALL THE POSTPONEMENTS? OH, OKAY.
THEN I MOVED TO, UH, POSTPONE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.
THAT TAKES, WILL THAT TAKE CARE OF THE WAIVERS TOO OR DO WE NEED A SEPARATE? SEPARATE PLEASE.
CAN I DO THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME? ALL THE WAIVERS? YES.
I MOVE TO POSTPONE ALL THE REQUESTED WAIVERS.
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WE ARE NOW IN CASE 25 0 0 5 A-D-M-C-A CODE, AMENDMENT AND, AND ADMINISTRATIVE REQUEST REVIEW AND REC, UH, REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR CODE AMENDMENTS TO THE CONCEPT PLAN PROCESS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.I'M NOT JENNY, BUT I'M GONNA PINCH IT FOR IT TONIGHT.
AND THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR THAT INTRODUCTION.
AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A FOLLOW ON FROM AN OCTOBER WORK SESSION THAT ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAD WITH CITY COUNCIL.
AND AT THAT TIME WE DISCUSSED AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY AND THE DESIRE TO MAKE OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS MORE TRANSPARENT AND PREDICTABLE.
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SO TONIGHT'S REQUEST IS A RESPONSE TO FURTHERING THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.AND BY THE WAY, THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL IN FALL OF 2023.
THERE WERE THREE MAIN STRATEGIES WITHIN THAT.
AND THE STRATEGY THAT WE WANNA FOCUS ON TONIGHT IS NUMBER TWO, AGAIN, MAKING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS MORE TRANSPARENT AND PREDICTABLE, THEREBY REDUCING UNCERTAINTY DURING A PROCESS WHERE WE MET WITH A GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS A NUMBER OF TIMES ON THIS TOPIC.
WE ACTUALLY CONDUCTED A SURVEY AND A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS WERE ASKED.
I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, BUT, UM, THE FIRST WAS, WHERE HAVE YOU HAD SUCCESS WITH DUBLIN'S DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES? UM, AND THREE TOP ANSWERS CAME UP, COLLABORATION AND RESPONSIVENESS.
HELPFUL STAFF AND QUALITY OUTCOMES.
UM, THE NEXT QUESTION WAS, WHERE HAVE YOU HAD SUCCESS WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS? AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT MORE EFFICIENT ONLINE SYSTEMS, STREAMLINE REVIEW PROCESSING, DUAL TRACK APPROVALS AND COLLABORATIVE MEETINGS.
THE NEXT QUESTION WAS IN DUBLIN'S DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
I WANT MORE OF USER-FRIENDLY ONLINE SYSTEMS. THAT CAME UP A NUMBER OF TIMES.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO SOLVE THAT TONIGHT.
CLEAR MILESTONES AND COMMUNICATIONS.
HERE'S WHERE THIS REQUEST COMES IN.
STANDARDIZED REQUIREMENTS AND THEN EXPEDITED APPROVAL FOR MINOR CHANGES.
THE NEXT QUESTION WAS IN DUBLIN'S DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
I WANT LESS OF THE COMPLEX ONLINE SYSTEM, BUT THE NEXT TWO RESPONSES WERE LESS OF THE LENGTHY PROCESS, SO THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY AND ADDRESS TONIGHT.
AND THE NEXT IS A VARIETY OF APPLICATION TYPES.
WE'RE ALSO GONNA ADDRESS THAT TANGENTIALLY.
AND THEN UNNECESSARY COMMENTS AND OVERSIGHT.
AND THEN, UM, FINALLY, WHERE HAVE YOU HAD CHALLENGES? PERMIT STATUS AND COORDINATION, SUBJECTIVE DESIGN AREAS, TIMING AND STAFF CHANGES.
SO OUT OF THAT WHOLE EFFORT, WE IDENTIFIED MAJOR ACTION THEMES AND WE'VE HAD, UM, SOME GOOD LUCK WITH WORKING ON THE FIRST FOUR TONIGHT REQUIREMENTS AND REVIEW PROCESS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT.
YOU MIGHT NOTICE THAT WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING WITH OUR STAFF REPORTS.
SO THAT IS A DIRECT OUTCOME OF THIS ENTIRE EFFORT.
SO AS WE SUMMARIZED ALL THE FEEDBACK REQUESTS, WE IDENTIFIED AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE CONCEPT PLAN THE SAME FOR ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND ALL PROCESSES.
THIS IS THE, THE HEART OF THE REQUEST HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
CONCEPT PLANS ARE, ARE USED IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT MAJOR PROJECT TYPES.
AND OF COURSE WITH THE A RB, WE HAVE SEEN IT RECENTLY WITH TU, G'S AND CO HATCH.
BUT FOR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS AT PLANNING COMMISSION, IT'S DISCUSSION ONLY BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
IT'S A DETERMINATION BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT GETS PRETTY, UM, COMPLICATED THERE, OR AT LEAST UNCLEAR.
SO REEMPHASIZING THE GOALS FOR TONIGHT'S REQUEST CONSISTENCY ACROSS ALL PROCESSES.
THE OPPORTUNITY FOR GREATER APPLICANT FEEDBACK AND STREAMLINING THE APPROVAL CONCEPT, WHICH GETS US TO OUR PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT.
THE CONCEPT PLAN WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED FOR MAJOR PROJECTS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND FOR THIS BOARD.
HOWEVER, IT WOULD TURN TO A NON-BINDING PROCESS AKIN TO THE INFORMAL, IF A PROJECT HAD A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT NOT THE CONCEPT PLAN ITSELF.
COUNCIL WOULD SEE THE CONCEPT PLAN SORT OF
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AS PART OF THAT PACKAGE OF WHAT GOES WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.THE INFORMAL WOULD REMAIN AS AN OPTIONAL STEP FOR EVERYBODY, WHETHER IT'S MINOR PROJECT OR BEFORE THE CONCEPT, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO WE'RE MERELY SWITCHING CONCEPT PLAN TO A DISCUSSION ITEM.
AND WITH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SO CONCEPT PLAN MOVES TO NON-BINDING.
SO NOW IT IS AN INFORMAL FEEDBACK.
SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? SO CONCEPT PLAN IS REQUIRED FOR LARGER PROJECTS.
UM, AGAIN, SOMETHING LIKE TUC CHEESE OR AS YOU'VE SEEN RECENTLY, ATCH MM-HMM
SO THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE, BUT IT ALLOWS A PROJECT TO GET OFF ON THE RIGHT FOOT BEFORE THEY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME AND EFFORT.
UM, SO IT, IT JUST IS THE FORM OF WHAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE COMMENTING ON.
SO IT, FOR A LARGE PROJECT, A CONCEPT PLANS REQUIRED.
SO, BUT THEY WON'T BE COMING IN FOR INFORMAL FEEDBACK.
THEY'D JUST BE BRINGING THEIR CONCEPT PLAN IN.
THEY ABSOLUTELY COULD BECAUSE THE INFORMAL IS STILL JUST A SKETCH.
THE CONCEPT PLAN HAS AN INCREASED LEVEL OF INFORMATION.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS.
IT WOULD BE, UM, COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO EVEN CITY COUNCIL WOULDN'T, WOULD NOT BE APPROVING.
THERE'S NO APPROVAL AT ALL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN.
THERE IS REVIEW, IT'S JUST NOT A DETERMINATION.
SO JUST FOR ME, THE FIRST CASE WE HAD TONIGHT COULD HAVE BEEN A CONS.
I MEAN, AS WE WOULD LOOK AT IT NOW, THE FIRST CASE, UH, ON RIVERVIEW.
SO ON RIVERVIEW, I MEAN LAYERED AS A SINGLE FAMILY NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT, IT YOU MAY IS A MINOR PROJECT.
SO IT WOULD STILL BE INFORMAL.
BUT IF YOU THINK BACK TO KATCH, YEAH.
KATCH WOULD HAVE HAD THE REQUIRED YES.
CONCEPT, IT WOULD BE DISCUSSION ONLY MM-HMM
THAT DOES NOT PRECLUDE THEM FROM COMING BEFORE YOU WITH AN INFORMAL, WITH A MUCH LOOSER SKETCHIER MM-HMM
IDEA OF WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? I HATE TO USE THE WORD CONCEPT AGAIN, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS IDEA? IDEA? MM-HMM
AND THEN IT GETS MORE REFINED EVEN AT CONCEPT PLAN.
BUT YOU DON'T MAKE A DETERMINATION UNTIL PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
'CAUSE CONCEPT PLAN WILL HAVE SOME REQUEST.
YOU, YOU WANT THEM TO BRING CERTAIN ASPECTS TO BEAR.
SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE VERY MANY CONCEPT PLANS LEFT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE PROBABLY WON'T, WE MAY NOT SEE A LOT OF THEM.
UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE DONE TWO.
AND IN CONCEPT PLAN, IF, IF THEY GO THROUGH THE CONCEPT PLAN AND WE, WE HAVE, YOU HAVE TWO MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND YOU COULD HAVE ISSUES AND SAY, HEY, THAT'S NOT QUITE THERE.
AND YOU COULD COME BACK AGAIN FOR A CONCEPT PLAN.
YOU COULD RECYCLE BACK AGAIN AND COME BACK TO THAT.
DO YOU NEED A MOTION ON THIS OR PLEASE? I THINK WE DO.
WE NEED A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CONCEPT PLAN PROCESS.
THAT WORKS TO THE CONCEPT PLAN PROCESS.
OH, ARE YOU READING? NO, I DON'T HAVE THE MOTIONS.
TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR CODE AMENDMENTS TO THE CONCEPT PLAN PROCESS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
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ANYTHING, UH, UPDATES? I HAVE A LOT.SO FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO CHECK HOW EVERYBODY DID WITH ONBOARD.
I, IN ALL OF THE EMAILS, I MISSED THE
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BOARD, BUT JAMIE'S GONNA SEND ME A NEW LINK.IS THAT FOR THOSE OF US, 'CAUSE I DID IT TOO, MISSED THE, UM, TRAINING.
THEY RECORDED IT AND SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO YES.
I JUST SENT OUT A COUPLE, YOU SHOULD HAVE IT ALREADY.
THERE WERE, I, I FOUND SHE SENT THE RECORDED TRAININGS, BUT I FOUND THAT THEY'RE PRE-CANNED ONES THAT THEY DID TO BE A LITTLE MORE HELPFUL.
AND THERE WERE OPTIONS FOR TWO.
YOU COULD VIEW HOW TO ACCESS IT FROM A WEB BROWSER, HOW TO ACCESS IT FROM YOUR IPAD.
SO I SENT THOSE ALONG, ALONG WITH SOME RESOURCES.
SO YOU SHOULD HAVE IT IN YOUR EMAIL ALREADY.
I DID THE CANNED ONES THAT CAME FROM THE COMPANY.
THEY WERE, I DIDN'T, I HAVEN'T READ THE VID, I HADN'T SEEN THE VIDEO OF THE OTHER ONE.
MY PROBLEM WAS GETTING INTO THE ONE THAT, UH, YOU HAD TO FIRST HAVE YOUR, CREATE YOUR PASSWORD AND HAVE THAT READY TO GO AND THEN GET IN.
AND THEN IT WASN'T RECOGNIZING ME.
SO MY INITIAL AND I COULDN'T DO THE SECOND DAY.
I'M CERTAINLY, I'M, I'M HERE EIGHT TO FOUR EVERY DAY.
SO I CAN, I CAN HELP YOU WALK YOU THROUGH, BRING YEAH, BRING YOUR IPAD.
WE'LL GO THROUGH IT STEP BY STEP.
AND I'M SURE, UM, IF YOU DIDN'T, I CAN SEE WHO SET UP YOUR PROFILES.
THERE WAS, THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A GLITCH SOMEWHERE.
YOUR PROFILE WASN'T ACTIVATED.
SO I CAN, WHEN YOU DO COME IN, I CAN RESEND IT AND WE CAN GO THROUGH FROM THE BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
AND SAME GOES, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY GLITCHES OR PROBLEMS, I CAN DO MY VERY BEST TO HELP.
AND IF NOT, WE HAVE CUSTOMER SERVICE REPS THAT ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE.
SO I WILL SAY SINCE I WAS THE ONE WHO WAS GRUMPY ABOUT GOING TO ONBOARD BECAUSE OF MY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES ONBOARD, IT HAS VASTLY IMPROVED.
FOR THE 10, 15 YEARS WHEN I USED IT BEFORE.
UM, AND I FOUND IT INTUITIVE, WHICH IS MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR APPLE PRODUCTS.
SO, UM, HAVING HAD NO TRAINING, I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY EASY TO USE
OH, I CAN WRITE A NOTE IF I JUST PRESS AND HOLD HERE.
SO THERE WERE NOT SOME NICE FEATURES IN IT.
I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE, I MEAN YOU AND I TALKED EARLIER, BUT HOW WE, UH, PUT THE FILES IN A, IN A, IN AN EASIER, 'CAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES THEY GOT REALLY LONG AND THEN WHEN IT, IT'S A LITTLE CLUNKY WHEN YOU'RE ON YOUR, UH, WHEN YOU'RE ON YOUR PHONE BECAUSE THE, THE PAGES DON'T SCROLL.
SO THEN I GOT LOST IN A COUPLE.
I'M LIKE, WHERE AM I? SO IF YOU CAN FRAME THEM LIKE THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEWS, IF THOSE WERE EACH KIND IN THEIR OWN FILE WOULD'VE BEEN EASIER TO FOLLOW.
I MEAN, BUT GENERICALLY, UH, FOR ME IT WAS E IT IT WAS BETTER THAN THE, IT'S BETTER THAN THE OTHER WAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE THING HERE IF YOU DON'T MIND.
SARAH AND I MET AND SHE PROVIDED ALL KINDS OF RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE ADDED.
SO WHEN YOU DO GET IN, THERE'S A TAB ALONG THE SIDE, LABELED RESOURCES, ALL SORTS OF REFERENCE DOCUMENTS FOR YOU GUYS TO GET IN THERE, PAST MEETING PACKETS, UM, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE BRIEFS, ALL KINDS OF DOCUMENTS FOR YOU IN THERE.
IT'S ALL THE STUFF YOU'VE SENT US IN THE PAST, THEN YOU PUT THEM ON.
THAT'S, SEE IF I HAD KNOWN I WOULD'VE USED IT TONIGHT.
I WANTED TO FIND OUT ABOUT THOSE OTHER NORTH REV TWO THINGS.
I WAS LOOKING ON THE WEB AT OUR PAST AGENDA.
THOSE RESOURCE ITEMS DISAPPEARED OVER TIME ON THE ONEDRIVE.
THEY ONLY LASTED FOR, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
THIS ACTUALLY HAS A LIBRARY FEATURE THAT WILL STAY IN PERPETUITY.
JAMIE? THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S LOADED IN, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THAT INFORMATION.
WHICH BRINGS US TO OUR NEXT TOPIC.
YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THE UPDATED CODE AND GUIDELINES THAT WERE APPROVED AND ADOPTED LATE LAST YEAR.
SO THOSE ITEMS ARE OBVIOUSLY IN FRONT OF YOU PRINTED FOR YOUR NOTEBOOKS, BUT ALSO WITHIN THAT RESOURCE LIBRARY.
IF WE'RE GOING TO USE ONBOARD, CAN WE STOP? CAN WE NOT HAVE PAPER THEN? THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT LOVE THE PRINT.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO USE YOUR PRINT, GIVE IT BACK TO ME.
YEAH, IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THE PRINT, JUST GIVE IT BACK TO ME.
UH, THERE WILL BE HOMES FOR IT.
YOU ALSO HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THE 2024 YEAR END REPORT, WHICH, UH, WILL BE UP ON THE CITY'S WEB PAGE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PROBABLY FRIDAY.
AND ALL OF THESE NEW DOCUMENTS ARE GONNA BE UP, UP THERE FOR YOU.
UM, AND FINALLY, RATTI HAS PROVIDED US WITH THE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS UPDATE THAT WILL BE ON THE WEBPAGE AS WELL.
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AND IT WILL BE INCLUDED IN YOUR ONBOARD RESOURCES PACKET.SO THAT'S ALL KIND OF THE HOUSEKEEPING.
I DID WANNA BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, UM, A CITY GENERATED PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING AT THE ARLINGTON BARN ON BRAND ROAD.
AND THIS IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM BRISTOL AND ASAL ROADS.
IT'S THE WHITE BARN WITH THE LITTLE CHICKEN COOP OUT IN FRONT.
YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT THAT SHARED USE PATH GOING UNDERNEATH BRAND ROAD FLOODS ON A REGULAR BASIS EVERY TIME IT RAINS.
AND THE CITY HAS RECEIVED A STATE GRANT TO HELP FIX THAT.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO DO THAT.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME CONSTRUCTION AND TREE REMOVAL STARTING IN MARCH.
THIS IS ALL CONSIDERED IN, IN OUR POINT OF VIEW MAINTENANCE AND SOMETHING THAT IS BEING DONE FOR SAFETY.
BUT IN MARCH WE WILL HAVE AN INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION BY MICHAEL HENDERSHOT FROM THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR MORE ABOUT IT.
THE TIMING WAS JUST, WE WEREN'T READY FOR THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT AND WE HAVE A VERY FULL AGENDA.
UM, FEBRUARY LOOKS LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE CANCELED, SO THAT WASN'T AN OPTION.
SO WE WILL BE BEFORE YOU IN MARCH TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT PROJECT.
UM, ONCE ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE AND THE UTILITIES STORM WATER IS RECONSTRUCTED, THE SITE WILL BE PUT BACK TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT THERE WILL BE NO CHANGES AND NO EFFECTS TO ANY OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS SIMPLY MAINTENANCE DOES NOT NEED APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD.
WHY DO YOU THINK WE WON'T HAVE A FEBRUARY? WE DON'T HAVE ANY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
IS IT POSSIBLE THOUGH? WE COULD.
THAT THAT DEADLINE HAS COME AND GONE.
'CAUSE WE'RE ON KIND OF A SIX WEEK CYCLE.
THE DUE DATE WAS TWO WEEKS AGO.
THEY'VE GOT WAY TOO MUCH WORK TO DO TO GET THAT DONE.
AND WE HAVE TO HAVE AMPLE TIME.
AND THEY SAID THAT TO REVIEW IT, DO PUBLIC NOTICE.
THERE, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH TIME.
WELL, AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGED IT TOO.
ONE OF THEM SAID, WE'VE ALREADY PASSED THE DEADLINE.
I DIDN'T, UH, I GUESS CONSIDER THAT VERY THOUGHTFULLY, BUT YEAH.
UM, I WAS THINKING BECAUSE THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT, UH, YOU KNOW, SUBMITTAL THAT MAYBE WITH THIS SPECIFIED LIST OF THE THINGS THEY NEED TO FIX THAT IT WOULD BE FASTER.
BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE ABOUT THE DEADLINE.
AND I JUST, MCKAYLA, IS THAT YOUR FIRST TIME YOU'VE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD? THANK YOU.
AND JAMIE, WELCOME TO THE BOARD.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, SO FAR OUR MARCH MEETING, THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE IT SUBMITTED BY IN TWO WEEKS, RIGHT? FEBRUARY 5TH.
BUT WELL, THIS WAS A, IT'S 'CAUSE WE HAVE AN EARLY MARCH INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MARCH.
THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY COULD FOR THE APRIL MEETING AS WELL.
UH, AND OUR MARCH MEETING IS EARLY.
IT'S ONLY THEIR, THEIR EMERGENCY NOT OURS.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY ARE IN A RUSH TO BUILD THE HOUSE.
IF THEY'RE NOT THEN THEY WON'T.
BUT IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE, NO.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED ONE SECOND.