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UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 12TH, 2024 MEETING.THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN PLANNING A PROPERTY AND REZONING ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
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[Case #24-149INF]
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL PROCEED WITH OUR AGENDA.THE FIRST CASE IS 24 DASH 1 49 INF AVERY POST DEVELOPMENT.
THIS CASE IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK FOR A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
THE 3.67 ACRE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, AND IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE ROUNDABOUT OF AVERY MUIRFIELD AND POST ROAD.
AT THIS TIME, WE INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD.
PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON.
IT WILL BE INDICATED BY THE GREEN LIGHT.
AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
HI, UH, THIS IS CHRISTOPHER JOLEY OF 5 9 2 5 WILCOX PLACE, DUBLIN, OHIO.
I'M WITH DARREN RINKER ARCHITECTS.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO TAKE THESE THREE PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ONE'S VACANT, AND THERE ARE, UH, TWO HOUSES ON THE OTHER TWO PARCELS.
AND THEN THERE IS AN EXCLUDED PARCEL THAT'S KIND OF WRAPPED AROUND, UM, THE, JUST BELOW THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THAT, UH, MOST NORTHERN PARCEL AND PROVIDE FOR A NEW, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT OF SINGLE FAMILY CONDO DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT THIS SITE, UH, SAW THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CALLS FOR THIS TO BE THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL SUBURBAN DENSITY, IS WHAT THE CITY'S ASKING FOR HERE.
SO LOOKED AT ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE EXISTING AND JUST TO THE NORTH OF, UM, THE, UH, INDIAN RUN IS ALSO SHOWN AS SUB
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RESIDENTIAL SUBURBAN DENSITY, AS WELL AS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF AVERY MURFIELD.AND SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE KIND OF OVERLAY THE BOUNDARY OF OUR SITE WITH A COUPLE OF THE ROADS AND THOSE DEVELOPMENTS TO SEE WHAT WE COULD FIT ON THERE.
AND BASED ON THAT BOUNDARY, YOU CAN SEE WE CAN GET ABOUT 10 TO 11 HOUSES.
AND SO WE KIND OF USE THAT AS SORT OF OUR BASIS ON THE DENSITY FOR THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE YOU'LL KIND OF SEE, UM, HERE WHERE WE HAVE STARTING ON POST ROAD THERE ON THE, ON THE, UH, SOUTH, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE, CONNECTING A NEW DRIVE, ALIGNING IT WITH THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF POST ROAD AND NAVIGATING THAT THROUGH THE SITE.
WE'VE ORIENTED IT AROUND A CENTRAL PLAZA, A FOUNTAIN PLAZA, AND KIND OF THE INITIAL THOUGHT FROM THAT WAS COMING FROM THE WORD, THE IRISH WORD FOR DUBLIN, WHICH MEANS BLACK POOL.
SO WE KIND OF WANTED TO BRING THAT TIE IN AND UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE, THE CENTRAL FOCUS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY, I THINK, TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING TRAILS ON, UH, SOUTH INDIAN FORK RUN THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE TO CONNECT TO THE GREATER TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE CITY.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING THIS TO BE CURRENTLY A 24 FOOT WIDE PUBLIC ROAD.
UM, NOTING AS A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
I KNOW, UM, STAFF IS KNOWN AS 60 FOOT IS THE PREFERRED RIGHT OF WAY.
WE'RE LOOKING AGAIN AT THE OTHER ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY ALL HAD A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE CONTINUED TO MODEL THAT.
UM, AFTER THAT, UM, THIS WOULD BE, AS I MENTIONED, A CONDO DEVELOPMENT, LOOKING AT MAKING IT A AGE RESTRICTED 55 PLUS COMMUNITY, UM, HIGH END HOMES.
UM, IF WE GO KIND OF TOWARDS OUR NEXT SLIDE, UM, THIS WAS SHOWING KINDA THE BREAKDOWN OF THE, UM, PRIVATE VERSUS PUBLIC REALMS, IF YOU WILL, OF THE, THE SITE.
AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS SOME OF OUR CHARACTER IMAGES.
SO LOOKING AT THE FOUNTAIN, A LOT OF USE OF STONE.
UM, SOME STUCCO, UM, YOU KNOW, DISTINCTIVE ROOF FORMS AND CHIMNEYS ARE KIND OF GONNA BE THE DEFINING CHARACTER.
WE LOOKED AT, UM, IN, UM, GHISLAINE SCOTLAND, WHICH IS A HOME OF THE MUIRFIELD COURSE.
AND WE LOOKED AROUND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT CITY VILLAGE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF STONEWORK, STONEWALL, STUCCO, PROMINENT CHIMNEY FEATURES.
AND THAT WAS REALLY KIND OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO DRAW THAT INSPIRATION FROM AND THE, THE CHARACTER OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AT THIS TIME WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO STAFF.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU PLANNING COMMISSION FOR HEARING OUR PROPOSAL.
THIS IS AN INFORMAL APPLICATION, AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S AWARENESS, AN INFORMAL APPLICATION IS AN INTRODUCTORY TYPE OF CONVERSATION THAT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE APPLICANT, BUT IS, UM, IMPERATIVE IF THEY WANT TO GET, UM, FEEDBACK FOR THEIR PROPOSAL BEFORE THEY PROCEED INTO A FORMAL APPLICATION PROCESS.
FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, AGAIN, IT'S AN INFORMAL APPLICATION.
IT WOULD PROCEED TO A CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH IS REQUIRED, AND THEN FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL WOULD PROCEED INTO A REZONING, WHICH WOULD BE HEARD NOT ONLY FROM THIS COMMISSION, BUT CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WOULD BE HEARD BY THIS COMMISSION.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE COMMISSIONERS TONIGHT TO CONSIDER IS HOW THIS PROPOSAL RELATES TO OUR COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED, UM, IN JULY, HOW IT RELATES TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH WE, UM, HAD ELABORATED IN OUR PLANNING REPORT.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, HOW IT RELATES TO DESIGN, UH, LAYOUT, OPEN SPACE, ACCESS MANAGEMENT, AND INTERNAL, UH, CIRCULATION FOR THE PROJECT.
THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 3.6 ACRES IN SIZE.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF AVERY AVERY MURFIELD ROAD AND POST ROAD, WHICH ARE MAJOR ROADWAYS, UH, FOR THE CITY.
UM, THIS IS A CORRIDOR THAT WOULD TRANSITION FROM PRIMARILY, UH, COMMERCIAL USES TO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.
AS YOU MOVE NORTH, THE SITE IS ZONED R ONE, WHICH IS, UH, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A REZONING TO ALLOW FOR THE DENSITIES
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THAT THEY'VE, UM, IDENTIFIED.UH, UNDER THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CLASSIFICATION, THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED THREE UNITS, AND AGAIN, PROMPTING THE REQUEST FOR A REZONING.
UM, AS THIS, UH, ILLUSTRATION, UH, PROVIDES, IT DOES WRAP AROUND AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL SITE, UM, AND WILL INCLUDE THREE PARTICULAR PROPERTIES THAT INCLUDE TWO HOUSES, NATURAL FEATURES ON THE SITE.
IT DOES HAVE, UM, EXISTING VEGETATION THAT'S ALONG THE PERIPHERY OF THE SITE.
IT DOES ABUT THE INDIAN RUN, WHICH IS A NATURAL WATERWAY THAT WE, UM, RESPECT AND, UH, PRESERVE, WHICH IS TO THE NORTH.
UM, THERE'S ALSO CONTOUR CHANGES AS YOU MOVE TOWARDS THE INDIAN RUN, AND AGAIN, CONSIDERATIONS AS THE APPLICANT PROCEEDS INTO A FORMAL APPLICATION.
THESE ARE EXISTING PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SITE, AGAIN, JUST SHOWING THE VEGETATION THAT'S IN SITE, UM, AND JUST THE, UH, TRAFFIC VOLUMES ON BOTH THE ROADWAYS.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS DESCRIBED, I WON'T BE REDUNDANT, UM, BUT WE ARE LOOKING NORTH.
THIS IS POST ROAD AVERY MUIRFIELD.
WE DO HAVE, UM, THE SITE THAT'S OUTLINED AROUND THE PERIPHERY OF TWO ACCESS POINTS, ONE OFF POST ROAD, ONE OFF AVERY MUIRFIELD.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 10 LOTS, UM, FIVE THAT ARE LO LOCATED ALONG A NORTH, UH, SOUTH ROADWAY, AND, UH, FOUR THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG A CURVATURE ROAD.
THE OPEN SPACE IS LOCATED THE APPLICANTS THAT IDENTIFIED THE OPEN SPACE IN THE CENTER OF THAT ROADWAY.
AND AGAIN, THIS PARCEL IS NOT INCLUDED AS OF THE PROPOSAL.
THIS INTERNAL ROADWAY SYSTEM IS, UM, PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AND WOULD BE PUBLIC AT THIS POINT.
SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS, UM, CONSIDERATIONS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION FOR ENVISION DUBLIN.
WE DID, UH, RECOGNIZE THIS AS RESIDENTIAL SUBURBAN DENSITY, WHICH ALLOWS UP TO FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.
AND THIS DOES, UH, FALL WITHIN THAT HIGHER DENSITY LEVEL THAT'S ALLOWED.
ONE OF THE, UM, CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD IN THE PLANNING REPORT WAS SPECIFICALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, THESE ARE GUIDELINES THAT WE CREATED IN 2023, AND THAT WAS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S, UH, FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM, UM, PROPOSALS THAT CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL IN TERMS OF RESPECTING HIGHER QUALITY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.
IN SPECIFICALLY FOR PUDS, WHICH THIS WOULD BE APPLICABLE, UM, THERE'S THREE REALMS OF CONSIDERATION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
ONE IS THE PUBLIC REALM, WHICH IS THE MACRO LEVEL, UM, HOW NEIGHBORHOODS ARE DESIGNED AROUND NATURAL FEATURES, WHETHER THEY BE EXISTING OR PROPOSED.
UH, THE MICRO LEVEL, WHICH IS THE, I WOULD SAY THE, THE SPACE IN BETWEEN THE PUBLIC REALM AND THE PRIVATE REALM.
AND IT'S DEALING WITH STREET SCAPE CHARACTER IN TRYING TO CREATE THAT ENVIRONMENT WHICH WOULD BE INVITING FOR PEOPLE TO INTERACT WITH THAT SPACE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE PRIVATE REALM FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE DID ANALYZE, UM, HOW IT RELATES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
UM, OPEN SPACE IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THESE GUIDELINES.
IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, WE DO FIND THAT THE, UH, OPEN SPACE IS SOMEWHAT ISOLATED, UM, AND SMALL, UH, IN COMPARISON TO WHAT, UM, WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UH, THE LOTS ARE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE INTERNAL ROADWAY SYSTEM, WHICH IS PROBABLY NATURAL IN A, IN A SENSE OF ACCESSIBILITY, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE, UH, REAR UH, LOADED PROPERTIES TO AVERY MARYFIELD ROAD.
THERE ARE VERY NATURAL, UH, FEATURES THAT ARE ALONG THE PERIPHERY OF THE SITE, AND IT APPEARS WITH A DESIGN THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY, UH, NEED TO EMIT SOME OF THOSE NATURAL LANDSCAPE FEATURES.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK FURTHER ABOUT THAT.
AND, UM, MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE'RE ASKING THE COMMISSION TO A, TO ENTERTAIN HOW THIS RELATES TO THOSE GUIDELINES.
SO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO THE COMMISSION TONIGHT IS, DOES THE, THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE PROPOSED LAND USE, UH, SPECIFICALLY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, INTENSITY AND, UH, DENSITY IF THE PROPOSED LAND USE IS SUPPORTED.
DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE OPEN SPACE LAYOUT AND CONCEPTS
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GENERALLY PROPOSED WITH THE APPLICATION IF THE PROPOSED LAND USE IS SUPPORTED, DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE DESIGN, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS AND EXISTING USES, INCLUDING NATURAL FEATURES, AND OF COURSE ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION POINTS COMMISSION WOULD HAVE.SO AT THAT POINT, I WOULD WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS AND, UM, INCLUDE THE APPLICANT IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
UM, BEFORE WE PROCEED INTO COMMENTS, AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE PUBLIC AND THE AUDIENCE, CAN YOU TALK THROUGH SOME ITEMS THAT I'M SURE WOULD, WOULD BE, UM, ITEMS OF DISCUSSION FROM A PUBLIC COMMENT PERSPECTIVE, INCLUDING SOME OF THE DETAILS.
SO WHEN, FOR INSTANCE, ENGINEERING GETS INVOLVED, INCLUDING TRAFFIC STUDIES AND CURB CUTS, OF COURSE, UH, THE NATURAL FEATURE CONSIDERATIONS, WATERSHED, RIPARIAN CORRIDOR, FLOOD AREA, UH, OPEN SPACE PROGRAMMING, SEWER IMPACT, AND THE CITY'S RELATIONSHIP TO SCHOOLS.
AND I CAN REPEAT THAT IN IN ORDER, BUT IF WE COULD TAKE THOSE JUST FOR, UM, KIND OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS AND WHERE THOSE ITEMS WOULD COME UNDER CONSIDERATION.
ACCESS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PARTICULAR, UH, CONVERSATION WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
AND NOT ONLY WITH THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL, BUT WITH THE PREVIOUS, UM, APPLICATIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO UTILIZE EXISTING CURB CUTS, UM, ALONG AVERY MIRFIELD AND POST ROAD.
UM, OUR ENGINEERING AND TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY, UM, GROUP HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A CONVERSATION THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO PROCEED AND MOVE FORWARD.
THEY'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE ACCESS POINTS ARE AS FAR AWAY FROM THAT ROUNDABOUT AS THEY POSSIBLY COULD BE, WHICH IS OUR BEST POTENTIAL FOR THE SITE.
UM, THEY, THEY WOULD REQUIRE A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT WILL HELP US CONTINUE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, SPECIFIC ITEMS OF CONVERSATION THAT THEY'VE ADDRESSED IS, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WE ALWAYS REQUIRE LEFT, LEFT TURN LANES.
AND FOR POST ROAD IN PARTICULAR THERE, THERE THEY ARE HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME DISTANCE, UM, CONCERNS OF WHETHER THEY CAN MEET THAT STACKING REQUIREMENT.
UM, AVERY MAYFIELD IS A BUSY ROAD, SO THEY'RE JUST NOT SURE UNTIL THEY GET THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UM, ACCESS POINT.
SO THE NEXT POINT I'M GONNA GO WITH OPEN SPACE.
SO WHAT ARE OUR, UH, INTENDED IDEA FOR OPEN SPACE? AGAIN, UNDER THESE GUIDELINES WOULD BE THAT IT'S MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
SO WE'D WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO IDENTIFY PERHAPS SOME OTHER LOCATIONS WITHIN THE SITE.
THERE'S ALSO SOME, A WATER FEATURE THAT'S PROPOSED IN THIS, THE CENTER OF THIS ISLAND, UM, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WOULD NOT PERMIT, SO WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO, TO PROCEED WITH THOSE DETAILS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH SEWER ACCESS.
UM, I'VE, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S MEMORIZED BY OUR, OUR ENGINEERING GROUP.
NATURAL FEATURES, WATERSHED, RIPARIAN CORRIDOR AND FLOOD AREA.
YEAH, SO NATURAL FEATURES, AGAIN, WE'RE, UM, DEDUCTING THAT, UH, MUCH OF THE, UM, EXISTING VEGETATION WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED FOR THE EXISTING HARDSCAPE.
SO WE'D WANNA WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO ENSURE THAT PERHAPS THAT WE, UH, KEEP AS MUCH AS WE CAN, ESPECIALLY ALONG AVERY MI ROAD, IF THE, ESPECIALLY IF THE UNITS ARE BACKING UP TO AVERY MUIRFIELD AND THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE SOME SORT OF BUFFER BETWEEN THOSE UNITS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF DETAILS THAT WE'LL WORK OUT WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN FINALLY, SCHOOLS WE'RE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, BUT CAN YOU TALK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ANY APPLICATION? NOT TO SPECIFICALLY THIS ONE, HOW THE CITY INTERFACES WITH THE SCHOOLS.
WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE APPLICANTS TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE, SO I WOULD PROBABLY, UH, RELATE TO THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS HAVE THEY HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, THAT PROBABLY TRANSITIONS TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONVERSATIONS AND WHETHER, UM, THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE TAKEN PLACE AS WELL.
AND MS. MS ROUSH, CAN YOU ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY PLAN INTERFACE AND YES.
SO TO ADD ON TO THAT, UM, MORE HOLISTICALLY,
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WHEN WE DID OUR COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE, WE, THAT WAS LED BY A STEERING COMMITTEE, WHICH HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS AND HILLIARD CITY SCHOOLS, UM, THAT LOOKED AT AS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, THESE FUTURE LAND USES.SO THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT LOOKS LIKE AND WHERE THAT COULD BE AND WHAT THOSE DENSITIES ARE.
SO THAT HELPS THEM WITH THEIR PLANNING EFFORTS.
LOOKING TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WE'LL HANDLE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND FOR STAFF TOGETHER THIS EVENING.
UH, MR. GARVIN, DO YOU WANNA START OFF WITH QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE WITH US HERE.
UM, SO THE CONCERNS I HAVE HAVE BEEN LARGELY BROUGHT UP ONE CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'LL NEED TO BE STUDIED AS THE TRAFFIC, BUT IN ADDITION TO THE, UM, IMPACT ON THAT ROUNDABOUT, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATIONS AS TO WAYS TO DISCOURAGE IT FROM BEING A, A CUT THROUGH OR A SHORTCUT WHEN THERE IS A BACKUP AT THE, AT THE ROUNDABOUT? OR IS THERE, DO YOU FORESEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE FOR EGRESS FOR YOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, OWNERS OR TENANTS? UM, INITIALLY WE HAD, UH, PROPOSED AS A PRIVATE ROAD, UM, AND IN CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, UM, OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN KIND OF WEARY OF PRIVATE ROADS.
UM, SO WE'VE GONE, GONE MORE TOWARDS A PUBLIC ROUTE AND WE WERE LOOKING AT IT AS A PRIVATE ROAD.
WE WERE GONNA HAVE IT BE GATED, UM, AS A MEANS TO KIND OF RESTRICT THAT FLOW.
UM, BUT WITH A PUBLIC ROAD, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY CAN BE DOING RIGHT.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE TRYING TO DO RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY, UM, ON AV MUIRFIELD.
AND OUR MAIN REASON FOR HAVING THE ROAD ROUTE ALL THE WAY THROUGH IS, UM, OUR THOUGHTS IS FROM A, UH, FIRE PERSPECTIVE THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT FOR ACCESS MM-HMM
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE FURTHER WITH THEM TO SEE IF IT REALLY DOES NEED TO CONNECT ALL THE WAY THROUGH OVER IT COULD BE CUT SHORT AND JUST STOPPED AT THE END UNIT THERE.
UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE OPEN SPACE, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY, THE PROS WERE REQUIRE 0.44 ACRES.
UM, THEY'VE INDICATED 0.06, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE IF YOU INCLUDE THE FOUNTAIN, BUT IT'S STILL, I DON'T SEE IT MUCH ABOVE 0.2 ACRES.
SO HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS INITIALLY? YEAH, I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT, UM, REDUCING THE SIZE OF SOME OF THE LOTS, ESPECIALLY, UM, ALONG THE KIND OF CUL-DE-SAC THERE, THERE ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER, SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY INCREASE THAT.
MAYBE PERHAPS THAT PLAZA AREA SHIFTS A LITTLE BIT NORTH.
UM, SO IT'S NOT AS FAR FROM SOME OF THOSE FURTHER NORTH UNITS AS WELL.
AND YOU KNOW, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE BEING ACCESSIBLE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF STANDS OUT ON THIS IS THE PARK-LIKE SETTING RIGHT? FOR, UH, NOT ONLY PEDESTRIANS, BUT CARS DRIVING BY.
UM, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED WAYS TO MAKE THAT OPEN SPACE ACCESSIBLE? MAYBE BY CONNECTING TO THIS, UH, THIS PATH HERE? IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS THE SIDEWALK.
IS THAT INTENDED TO CONNECT TO THE SHARED USE PATH OR IS THAT YEAH, I THINK AS WE, AS WE GET FURTHER, WE'D LIKE TO CONNECT THROUGH, ESPECIALLY TO THE, I THINK THERE'S A NICE OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT TO THE PATHS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UM, INDIAN RUN THERE AND BECOME PART OF THE LARGER NETWORK FOR THE CITY THERE.
AND WE'LL BE DOING DISCUSSION AFTER THIS, RIGHT? GREAT.
HEY, UH, SO TELL ME ABOUT THE, UH, EXCLUDED PARCEL.
UM, OUR CLIENT HAS, I THINK, REACHED OUT, UM, I BELIEVE IN THE PAST TO TRY TO ENGAGE WITH POSSIBLE, UM, WAYS TO EXPLORE USING THAT PARCEL.
BUT, UM, I, I BELIEVE THEY HAVEN'T HAD BEEN ABLE TO HAVE MUCH CONNECTION THERE TO, TO PURSUE THAT.
JUST SO I HAVE IT RIGHT, THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO PURCHASE IT, BUT THE SELLER DIDN'T WANNA SELL OR THEY REFUSED? OR WAS IT A COST ISSUE? ARE YOU AWARE? I'M NOT AWARE OF THE DETAILS.
DOES, I MEAN, THE SITE'S PRETTY OBSCURE.
I, I I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, IT, IT JUST, IN TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK, IT MAKES IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT WITH THAT PARCEL ESSENTIALLY SITTING AT ALMOST IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
UM, RELATIVE TO THE, THE STONE WALL, I KNOW YOU SHOWED US SOME PHOTOS.
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW HIGH YOU WERE? WERE THINKING THAT WAS GONNA BE, UM, PROBABLY LIKE THREE OR FOUR FEET.
WOULD IT BE MORE OF A, LIKE A MORTARED STONE? ARE YOU THINKING LIKE KIND OF THE LIMESTONE WALLS THAT WE WE SEE ON DUBLIN ROAD? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA? YEAH.
MORE KIND OF YOUR TYPICAL, YOU SEE ALMOST LOOKS KIND
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OF LIKE A DRY STACK KIND OF LOOK.HAVE IN YOUR, IN YOUR DESIGN AND THOSE DISCUSSIONS, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING THE HOMES OR AT LEAST SOME OF THE HOMES, AT LEAST IN THAT CUL-DE-SAC AREA? AND I KNOW THIS WOULD REQUIRE SOME DESIGN CHANGE, BUT HAVING THEM FACE OUTWARD TOWARD THE PRIMARY ROADS RATHER THAN FACE IN WHERE THE, THE BACK OF THE HOME IS VISIBLE? UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE OR MAYBE IF YOU KNOW, WHAT IT PERCEIVES AS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE COULD, YOU KNOW, LOOK LIKE THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, IF YOU WILL, FROM WHERE THE GARAGE, IT'S A REAR LOADED ENTRY PERHAPS.
UM, SOMETHING WE HADN'T NECESSARILY THOUGHT ABOUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE NATURE OF, OF THE SITE, ESPECIALLY HAVING THE EXCLUDED PARCEL MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE ACCESS ALMOST LIKE A, A SERVICE ROAD, IF YOU WILL.
YOU SOMETIMES SEE IN SOME OF THE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING IN THIS CONFIGURATION OF THIS SITE.
I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY WANNA HARP ON THE, ON THE TRAFFIC PIECE.
UM, LEAVING IT AS A PUBLIC ROAD AS IS, IS THERE A CONCERN OF OF, OF CUTTING THROUGH WHERE IF IT BACKS UP IN A CERTAIN INSTANCE, HAS, HAS THAT COME UP IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE NECESSARILY JUST WITH STAFF, UM, WE'VE INTERNALLY KIND OF THOUGHT THAT, THAT MAYBE IT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD NECESSARILY KNOW THAT IT CUTS THROUGH.
I MEAN, I THINK YOU COULD PROBABLY MAYBE PUT LIKE A NO OUTLET SIGN TO KIND OF DISCOURAGE THAT PERHAPS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO OUR, OUR MAIN REASON FOR THAT IS I THINK FROM JUST A, MOSTLY A FIRE ACCESS.
LOGISTICALLY, I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA, IF THEY'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ARE GONNA COME OUT TO THE ROUNDABOUT TO, YOU KNOW, TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
'CAUSE THAT PROVIDES ACCESS NORTH AND SOUTH, RIGHT WHERE IT'S COMING TO, IT'S ONLY NORTH ACCESS.
WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION IN YOUR, IN YOUR DESIGN ABOUT, AND YOU KIND OF MENTIONED IT, BUT I WANNA FOLLOW UP ABOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF RELATION WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT SHARED PATH THAT, THAT THAT PUBLIC PATH IN THE BACK ALONG, UH, THE WATERWAY AND SOME MECHANISM BY WHERE THERE'S ADDITIONAL PATHS THROUGH THE, THE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE KINDA LIKE TO DO IS, UM, BE ABLE TO HAVE A, A PATHWAY THAT'S CONNECTING FROM THE, THE PLAZA WEAVING ITS WAY THROUGH AND ACROSS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BRIDGING OVER, UM, AND YOU RUN THERE AND BE ABLE TO CONNECT TO THE GREATER PATH NETWORK OF THE CITY.
IS THAT, THAT TRAIL CONNECTS I THINK OVER TO A PARK ON THE, UM, EAST SIDE.
SO GOING TO THE DENSITY HERE, IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT MAYBE REDUCING, UH, THE AMOUNT OF LOTS WHERE THERE CAN BE POTENTIALLY AN ADDITIONAL DESIGN FOR HOW THE HOMES CAN BE SITUATED? UM, I THINK WE'VE INITIALLY WE PREVENT A SITE OR TO STAFF.
WE HAD A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY.
WE'VE GONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD TALK WITH OUR CLIENT TO SEE HOW OPEN THEY ARE TO, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY IF WE NEED TO LOSE ANOTHER UNIT TO SEE WHAT, HOW THAT WORKS FOR THEM.
MR. AND ALEXANDER, I'M GONNA SAVE, I'LL HAVE ONE QUESTION.
I'M GONNA SAVE THE MAJORITY OF MY COMMENTS FOR OUR DELIBERATION.
UH, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS COMPARING THE, UM, THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH TO YOUR SITE PLAN.
IS IT CORRECT TO ASSUME THAT ALL THE CURRENT LANDSCAPE THAT'S ALONG AVERY MURFIELD WILL BE ELIMINATED? I THINK WE'D LOOK TO MAINTAIN THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A TREE SURVEY.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE THING WE'D LOOK TO NEED TO DO IS HAVE A TREE SURVEY SO WE REALLY KNOW THE PLACEMENT AND THE, THE HEALTH OF SOME OF THOSE TREES AND MAKE SURE THEY, THEY ARE HEALTHY TO REMAIN.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES PROVIDE A NICE BUFFER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THEMSELVES BY LEAVING THOSE.
AND EVEN ALONG THE, UM, EAST SIDE, THERE IS A NICE, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERGREEN BUFFER TO THE REMAINDER OF POST ROAD.
WELL, I, AND JUST ONE CLARIFICATION ON JASON'S QUESTION.
DID YOU ACTUALLY START WITH A LARGER
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PROPOSED DENSITY FOR THIS SITE? WE HAD LIKE, I THINK ONE MORE UNIT.AND WE MET, UM, PRIMARILY THROUGH OUR, OUR CLIENT, BUT WE'VE MET WITH SOME OF THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AREA, AREA OF RESIDENTS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DID EXPRESS SOME CONCERN ABOUT DENSITY.
SO WE KINDA LOOKED AT IT AND RECONFIGURED THINGS A LITTLE BIT TO, UM, CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN SPACE AND TAKE DOWN, UM, BY ONE UNIT AS WELL.
THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER, MR. WAY.
UM, THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING FOR ME.
I'VE BEEN DRIVING BY THIS SITE FOR 20 YEARS.
UM, SO I WAS REALLY INTRIGUED TO SEE THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, I HAD A COUPLE, I I JUST HAD SOME BASIC QUESTIONS TO START WITH.
ONE IS, UM, YOUR PARCEL DOES NOT ACTUALLY GO ALL THE WAY TO A RAM MUIRFIELD.
UM, WHO CONTROLS THE, THAT LAND OR THE DRIVEWAY BETWEEN YOUR PROPERTY AND YOUR FIELD? UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S A PART OF, THAT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND IT'S A SHARED ACCESS DRIVE THERE.
IN IN WHAT? RIGHT OF WAY FOR AVERY MURFIELD.
BUT BETWEEN THAT, THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND YOUR, THERE'S A GAP, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE DRIVEWAY THAT SERVES THE EXCLUDED PARCEL AND THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT'S THERE.
SO NOW I ASSUME THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT'S THERE IS NOW PART OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IT IS THERE AN AGREEMENT THAT THERE'S A RI, THERE'S A EASEMENT THAT CONNECTS THIS PROPERTY TO AVERY MUIRFIELD.
THAT'S SOMETHING OUR CLIENT'S LOOKING TO DO FURTHER AS FAR AS IN THAT SHARED ACCESS DRIVE OF WHAT KIND OF AGREEMENT IF THERE IS ONE ALREADY IN PLACE.
UM, SO MS. NOBLE, MS. ROUSH, DID YOU WANT TO YEAH, SO WE HAVE, WE'VE RESEARCHED WHETHER THERE'S AN ACCESS AGREEMENT FOR THE EXISTING, UH, POINTS OF, OF CONTACT.
WE HAVEN'T FOUND THAT TO BE TRUE, BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING BETWEEN AVERY MUIRFIELD AND THIS PARCEL IS RIGHT OF WAY, BUT WHO OWNS THE RIGHT, WHO OWNS THE RIGHT OF WAY IN BETWEEN? YOU SAID IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY ESTABLISHED.
IS IT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? THE CITY, IT'S PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THE CITY OF IT'S CITIES DEDICATED PUBLIC WAY FROM AVERY MUIRFIELD TO THIS PARCEL.
UM, SECOND QUESTION IS MAYBE TO MS. NOBLE, IS THERE A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENT FOR THIS PARCEL TO, UM, GATHER AND, AND HOLD WATER BEFORE IT GETS INTO INDIAN RUN? AND THIS PLAN DOESN'T SHOW ANY KIND OF PROVISION FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT? SO YEAH, THEY, THEY DID PROVIDE SOME INITIAL INFORMATION ABOUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND, AND OUR ENGINEERING DE DEPARTMENT HAS SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, UM, SPECIFICALLY WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
SO WE, THOSE ARE DETAILS THAT WE'D HAVE TO WORK THROUGH AS THIS PROCEEDS, BUT IS IT LIKELY THAT IT'S SOME KIND OF AN, A STORAGE FACILITY YES.
PIECE OF LAND THAT HAS TO BE DEDICATED TOWARDS YES.
AND THAT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW IN THE PLAN.
SO THAT WOULD AGAIN, IMPACT DENSITY.
UM, THIRD QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU ACTUALLY, I MEAN, IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF, HAVE YOU ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT AND CONSIDERED HOW YOU MIGHT EMBRACE SOME OF THOSE CONCEPTS? YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER, OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS NEARBY AND HOW, YOU KNOW, I KNOW UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT FULLY MEETING SOME OF THOSE GUIDELINES AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOW THEY OBVIOUSLY WERE DEVELOPED PRIOR TO THOSE GUIDELINES, BUT KIND OF TRYING TO REFLECT SOME OF THAT.
SO YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO MAYBE RECONSIDERING SOME OF THIS BASED ON THAT INFORMATION? YEAH.
AND AND SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THAT, AS I READ THE, THE NARRATIVE, THE CONCEPT IS THAT ALL OF THE HOUSES FACE TO THIS INTERNAL STREET, UM, WOULD, WOULD, COULD YOU CONSIDER THINKING ABOUT UNITS THAT FRONTED ONTO THE ROUNDABOUT AND HAD REAR GARAGES AS A, WHICH IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD GUIDELINES TALK ABOUT.
THEY ALSO TALK ABOUT, UM, GARAGES THAT ARE SET BACK FROM THE PRIMARY BUILDING FACADE.
SO YOU DON'T SEE CAR, YOU KNOW, THE CARS ARE KIND OF HIDDEN A LITTLE BIT.
AND, AND THIS PLAN RIGHT NOW DOESN'T EMBRACE ANY OF THOSE I IDEAS, BUT WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THOSE IDEAS? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE MOSTLY SHOWING THERE'S MAYBE A COUPLE UNITS YOU HAVE, THE GARAGES ARE POPPED UP A LITTLE FURTHER, BUT THEY'RE SET BACK.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE DESIRE AND THAT'S
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WHERE WE'D BE GOING FOR THAT.UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOME INITIAL CONVERSATION WITH STAFF ABOUT, UM, AS FAR AS FACING THE ROUNDABOUT ORIGINALLY THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THAT VISIBILITY WOULD LOOK LIKE, SO WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY TRYING TO FACE THE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, I SEE, YOU KNOW, ON OUR NEWEST ROUND OF COMMENTS, THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, AN ITEM OF COMMENTS.
SO I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT HOW THOSE, YOU KNOW, END UNITS OR OUTSIDE UNITS ARE DESIGNED TO WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FOUR-SIDED ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT, SO IT, THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT ONE SIDE NECESSARILY LOOKS LIKE THE BACK OF A, A HOUSE PER SE, WHICH IS AGAIN, IS THE PURPOSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES TO CREATE THAT FRONTAGE AND, AND, AND, AND PUT THE CAR BEHIND THAT FRONTAGE SO THAT FROM THE STREET SCAPE STANDPOINT, FROM THE COMMUNITY VIEWPOINT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE FRONTS OF HOUSES, SOMETHING THAT'S ATTRACTIVE, NICE PORCHES, WHATEVER.
YOU HAVE SOME, SOME IMAGES IN YOUR DOCUMENT THAT WOULD BE PERFECT TO BE LOOKING AT.
SO THE, AND THE NEXT QUESTION, UM, LIKE SORT OF BEEN ASKED ABOUT EXISTING VEGETATION, YOU SAID YOU HAVEN'T DONE A TREE SURVEY YET.
ARE YOU OPEN ONCE YOU HAVE A TREE SURVEY TO UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING VEGETATION? ARE YOU OPEN TO LIKE SAVING TREES? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT SITE IS, IS, AGAIN, IT'S BEEN GROWING UP OVER 20 YEARS.
IT'S, IT'S GOTTEN VERY MATURE AND, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE BALANCE HERE IS, YOU KNOW, TREE PRESERVATION AND HOW DO YOU, UM, ORIENT NEW DEVELOPMENT TO A PUBLIC STREET AND TO, TO ME THIS IS KIND OF THE GATEWAY KIND OF INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA OF, YOU KNOW, MUIRFIELD AVERY MUIRFIELD.
SO IT'S A REALLY PROMINENT SITE AND UH, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT LOOK AND FEEL AND REALLY SETS THE RIGHT PRECEDENT FOR, UM, THE QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
I WAS JUST, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND IT'S EXCITING TO TALK ABOUT THIS, UH, SITE AS WELL.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, HAVE YOU REACHED OUT OR WILL YOU BE REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS AROUND AND MAYBE EVEN, UM, MUIRFIELD ASSOCIATION? THEY HAVE A VERY LARGE, AND THEY MAY HAVE SOME IDEAS TOO.
IS THAT ON YOUR LIST OF TO-DOS? UM, WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH MUIRFIELD, BUT THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONVERSATION WITH POST ROAD CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S A COUPLE MEMBERS HERE TODAY.
AND YEAH, THEY, I KNOW ONE MEMBER HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT DENSITY, UM, AND THEN THERE'S, UM, ANOTHER MEMBER THAT'S SUPPORTIVE OF THE LEVEL OF OUR DENSITY.
SO, UM, I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME POSITIVE CONVERSATIONS AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK TO HAVE THOSE.
AND THEN WITH THE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, I'M EXPECTING THAT THE HOMES WILL BE AS CLOSE AS THEY CAN TO A SIDEWALK THINKING THAT WAY.
BUT ARE YOU ABLE, WHERE WE ARE NOW, ARE YOU ENVISIONING PARKING ALONG THE SIDE AND THE, THE STREET, THE NEW STREET THAT'S GOING THROUGH, YOU SAY ON STREET PARKING? ON STREET PARKING? YES.
I WOULDN'T ENVISION PROVIDING NECESSARILY DEDICATED ON STREET PARKING.
IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A TYPICAL KIND OF RE THERE MIGHT BE OCCASIONAL CAR PARKED ON THE STREET, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD ALL BE IN THE GARAGE OR ON THE DRIVEWAY PARK.
SO IF YOU HAVE A GUEST OVER, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING, OR YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, SIX OR EIGHT, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES COMING OVER AND THERE'S SIX OR EIGHT EXTRA CARS, ARE YOU STILL GONNA BE ABLE WIDEN UP THAT STREET THAT YOU CAN PARK, UH, SIX OR SO CARS ALONG THAT STREET TO, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING OVER? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE ROADWAY COULD GET WIDER.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF NEEDED, I BELIEVE, UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, I THOUGHT 24 FEET WAS FROM THE, THE STANDARD, BUT I, I COULD BE MISTAKEN.
AND THEN, UM, I ALSO JUST THE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST THE WALKABILITY AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT, DO WE HAVE CROSSWALKS GOING ACROSS, UM, AVERY, UH, AND IS THAT SOME, UH, 'CAUSE IT IS A REALLY BUSY ROAD AND, UM, JUST TRYING TO SEE THAT MAYBE SOME PLACE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO WALK TO AND, UH, IT IS, RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOT, IS THAT CROSSWALKS ACROSS? I MEAN, THERE'S CROSSWALKS AT THE, UH, ROUNDABOUT, SO THAT WOULD BE WHERE THOSE, AND AGAIN, THAT COMES SORT OF AT A LATER ABSOLUTELY.
AS, AS WE SORT MOVE FURTHER INTO THIS.
BUT YEAH, THERE'S EXISTING CROSSWALKS.
AND, AND THERE'S A TUNNEL IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
WITH THE PARK CONNECT TRABU MM-HMM
YEAH, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR, FOR BEING HERE.
I I THINK A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED HAVE ALREADY BEEN, BEEN ASKED, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE, UM, ISSUES THAT WE'RE ALL KIND OF HINTING AT MAYBE IS
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LOTS OF CONCERN ABOUT THE, THE LAYOUT HERE AND I THINK MIGHT HELP US, IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT YOUR PROCESS FOR GETTING WHERE YOU, I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT JUST REALLY ABOUT MAXIMIZING THE DENSITY ON THIS OR MA MAXIMIZING THE, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY AND GETTING THESE 10, UH, THE 10 UNITS ON THERE? CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW YOU LANDED HERE? BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE TRANSITION, OR COULD THE FOUNTAIN MAYBE BE ON THE CORNER? THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE SITE COULD DO, STORM WATER, ALL THAT, ALL THOSE GREAT THINGS.CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT YOUR PROCESS TO GETTING HERE AND THEN THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT TOO, IS IT REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO, UM, CURB CUTS, TWO SITE ACCESS, OR DID YOU LOOK AT EXPLORE THE IDEA OF JUST HAVING ONE ACCESS OFF OF POST? UM, YEAH, SO AS FAR AS OUR, OUR PROCESS, WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT WE WANTED TO ALIGN WITH THE DRIVE OPPOSITE FOR OPTIMAL, YOU KNOW, NAVIGATION ON AND OFF THE SITE AND ACROSS THE SITE.
SO THAT KIND OF SET WHERE OUR, OUR ALIGNMENT STARTED THERE.
WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT FOUNTAIN BE SOMEWHAT VISIBLE AS YOU ENTERED IN.
SO WE TRIED TO, UM, KIND OF HAVE THAT BE SOMEWHAT TOWARDS THE FRONT, BUT VISIBLE AS AN ENTRY IS KIND OF A, AN ORGANIZING FEATURE THERE AS YOU, AS YOU CAME IN.
AND THAT SORT OF SET UP WHERE THEY KIND OF HAD THE, YOU KNOW, THE RADIAL NATURE OF THE OTHER PARCELS AROUND THERE.
AND THEN JUST, UM, KINDA LOOKING, LIKE I SAID, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT AND THE PARCEL WIDTHS AND THAT SETUP, UM, HOW WE WERE ABLE TO FIT THE NUMBER WE DID ALONG THE EAST SIDE THERE TO GET US TO THE 10, WHICH ALSO FALLS, YOU KNOW, JUST BELOW KIND OF THE MAXIMUM OF THE FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, AND CAN, SORRY, CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION ON THE TWO? THE SITE ACCESS, DOES IT NEED TO, IS IT REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO? SO THAT'S, UM, ANOTHER PIECE HOW WE WANNA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS I THINK HAVING SOME FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, 'CAUSE OUR THOUGHT IS THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA NEED FOR ACCESS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T, TO GET TO THAT FURTHEST END, THEY CAN'T BACK THE TRUCK BACK OUT.
AND THERE'S, UM, I DON'T THINK ENOUGH ROOM TO DO A FULL, UH, LIKE CUL-DE-SAC TO GET BACK AROUND.
SO THAT'S WHY WE CONNECTED IT STRAIGHT THROUGH.
AND THEN ONE, I'M GONNA JUMP INTO THE DETAILS JUST FOR A SECOND.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE, UH, YOUR ARCH FEATURE, UM, OFF OF POST ROAD THERE? WHAT'S THE VISION FOR THAT BEING, UH, LIKE A, A STONE GATEWAY, ARCH ENTRY FEATURE TO DESIGNATE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? AND, UM, AGAIN, THAT KIND OF CAME INITIALLY FROM IT, OUR THOUGHT OF IT BEING A PRIVATE ROAD AND BEING AN AREA WHERE WE COULD PUT THE, YOU KNOW, A GATED ACCESS.
BUT, UM, WE FELT THAT THAT STILL IS A NICE FEATURE.
WHETHER IT, YOU KNOW, BEING A A PUBLIC ROAD, I PROBABLY CAN'T HAVE NECESSARILY AN ARCH OVER THE ROADWAY, BUT AT LEAST NICE, UM, YOU KNOW, STONE PILLAR ELEMENT TO DESIGNATE THIS COMMUNITY HERE.
UH, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED HOWEVER, UH, WAS THERE, SO RIGHT NOW YOUR, YOUR BUILDING BLOCKS ARE NOT RECTANGULAR, THEY'RE VERY PRECISE, THEY HAVE SPECIFIC ANGLES.
DO YOU ALREADY HAVE A HOUSING PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO PLACE IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION? UH, NO.
UH, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPE? DID YOU ENTERTAIN A DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPE TO, UH, ALLOW FOR CLUSTERING OF OPEN SPACE AND PRESERVATION AREAS RATHER THAN DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY UNITS? UM, INITIALLY INTERNALLY, WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE KIND OF A MIX OF SOME DETACHED, MAYBE SOME LIKE ALMOST TOWN HOME TIME UNITS.
UM, BUT IN TALKING WITH OUR CLIENT, THE THOUGHT WAS DOING THE 55 PLUS HAVING THEIR OWN, UM, SEPARATE UNIT WAS, WAS THE DESIRE.
UH, AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION IS, UM, ABOUT PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AREA.
UH, IT APPEARS, UH, LOOKING CLOCKWISE, STARTING AT THE MOST NORTHEAST OF THE, THE SITE AREAS.
UH, IT APPEARS THAT HOUSE 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, AND 10, PRETTY MUCH A BUT THE REAR SETBACK, HAS THERE BEEN CONSIDERATION FOR PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AREA TO ALLOW FOR A PATIO, A PERGOLA, ANYTHING THAT ALLOWS HOMEOWNERS TO ENJOY THEIR OUTSIDE, WELL, NOT ENCROACHING WITHIN THE SETBACK? YEAH, SO THAT'S, THERE'S KIND OF THE, I GUESS THE PEACHY COLOR OF THE HOUSE.
AND THERE'S KINDA, THAT TAN COLOR WAS REPRESENTING LIKE A PATIO AREA, UM, THAT WOULD BE NEXT OUTSIDE PATIO SPACE, UM, FOR EXTERIOR USE.
AND THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME LAWN THAT WE COULD LOOK AT HOW THAT SET.
CURRENTLY THERE'S, UH, LIKE A 15 FOOT SETBACK IS WHAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THE EAST, SHOWING, UH, 50 FOOT OFF OF AVERY, AND I THINK IT'S 30 FOOT OFF OF POST, UM, AS THE BUFFER AROUND THERE, AND THEN 15 AROUND THE OTHER EXISTING, UM, EXCLUDED PARCEL.
SO, UM, I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT IF THAT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE
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BIT LARGER OF A SETBACK.SO FOR INSTANCE, BETWEEN HOUSES ONE AND TWO, THAT DARKER GRAY SHADING, UH, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THAT A PATIO GO IMMEDIATELY UP TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINE? UH, YES.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY DOING LIKE A ZERO LOT LINE WHERE THERE, SO THAT'D BE, YOU KNOW, UM, KINDA THAT PATIO WOULD BE UP, UP AGAINST THAT.
YOU KNOW, THE ONE SIDE WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY A NICE FEATURE OF THE HOUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT SOME BLANK WALL, BUT YEAH.
LOOKING BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE, THE COMMISSION.
NOW, MR. BOGGS, THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW.
DO WE NEED TO SWEAR IN THOSE WHO WERE NOT SWORN IN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING FOR AN INFORMAL NO? OKAY.
SO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD.
WE DO ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON WITH THE LIGHT GREEN AND WE INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD.
THE MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY NOT ON NOW, IT'S, THANK YOU.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I, UH, OWN THE PROPERTY AT 6,800 AVERY ROAD.
THE, UH, THE BIG YELLOW SPOT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT RIGHT THERE WITH THE DECORATIVE ROCK.
I'D LIKE CLEAR, HUH? WITH THE DECORATIVE ROCK WITH, YOU KNOW, MY ROCK.
WELL, MATTER OF FACT, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN DUBLIN DO, AND KIDS TAKE THEIR PICTURE WITH IT AND I LOVE IT.
UM, TO CLEAR UPS, A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN CONTACTED TO PURCHASE OUR PROPERTY EVER, INFORMALLY.
HEY, YOU WANNA BUY IT? DO YOU WANNA SELL? THAT'S ABOUT IT.
UH, SO, UH, UM, THAT'S JUST ONE THING, UM, ABOUT MYSELF.
WE MOVED TO DUBLIN 21 YEARS AGO.
WE'VE HAD THIS PROPERTY THAT LONG AGO.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE LEFT HILLIARD IS BECAUSE HILLIARD IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL COMMUNITY LIKE DUBLIN IS.
UM, THEY SELL AN OPEN LOT, THEY PUT A TRUCKING COMPANY THERE.
DUBLIN MAKES A PLAN, STICKS WITH IT, NO MATTER WHAT.
THAT'S WHY WE BOUGHT THAT LOT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND WE TRY TO KEEP IT NICE.
WE TRY TO BE A PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY AND THAT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD.
WE, THE R ONE DESIGNATION OF THE ZONING IS GREAT.
WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR NEIGHBORS.
WE WANT 'EM, I LOVE NEIGHBORS.
THIS IS, THIS IS PRETTY DENSE NEIGHBORS.
UM, MY LARGEST CONCERN IS THAT THEY'VE TAKEN A ROAD WHERE WE CURRENTLY, WE SHARE A DRIVEWAY WITH ONE HOUSE.
THEY'VE TAKEN THIS AND TURNED IT INTO A DRIVEWAY FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
WE, WE MIGHT HAVE 30 OR 40 ENTRANCES AND EXITS JUST BETWEEN THE TWO OF US AND DELIVERIES EVERY DAY JUST ON OUR ONE ACCESS TO AVERY ROAD.
THIS COULD GO TO HUNDREDS A DAY THROUGH THIS ONE ACCESS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S COMING OUT OF THE ROUNDABOUT ON AVERY ROAD, PEOPLE GOING TO BURFIELD HAVE ONE SPEED COMING OUTTA THAT ROUNDABOUT.
AND, UH, YOU'RE DODGING PORSCHES OF MASERATIS.
AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR SAFE ACCESS AND GETTING IN AND OUT.
I HAVE KIDS, I HAVE GRANDKIDS THEY'RE DRIVING NOW.
AND WHEN YOU EXPONENTIALLY ADD TO THAT, AND I MEAN WITH THIS LATEST DRAWING, THEY'VE ELIMINATED OUR DRIVEWAY BY THE WAY.
UH, THEY'VE, WE HAVE DIRECT, I WELCOME EVERYBODY TO GO BUY IT.
AND LOOK, THIS IS NOT THE SCALE.
AND, UH, WHEN THEY'RE PROPOSING ADDING A TWO LANE ROAD, THAT'S GOTTA BE AT LEAST 15 FOOT OFF OF OUR PROPERTY, IT'S OVER IN THE CREEK.
IT'S MY, MY CONCERNS WE'RE, WE'RE WELCOME TO DEVELOPMENT.
WE WANT IT, UM, ACCESS TO AVERY.
UM, YOU'RE WALLING US IN, YOU'RE SURROUNDING US IN A MOAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED DRAIN.
I'M NOT PREPARED TO TALK DRAIN.
I HAVE A THOUSAND THINGS I COULD PREPARE FOR NOW, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN.
SAFE ACCESS TO MY PROPERTY, THE SUPER DENSITY OF THIS.
UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST OFF THE CHARTS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ZONED R ONE.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING GREAT NEIGHBORS.
THIS IS THE SHOWCASE ENTRANCE INTO DUBLINS RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND DO YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE BACK OF HOUSES IN A, IN A LOOK LIKE A DON'T COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE OF THING? OR DO YOU WANT IT TO BE A WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT, WHICH WE TRY TO MAKE OUR HOUSE LOOK THAT WAY.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU MR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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YOUR MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON.PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS SANDRA AUGUSTINE, 6,300 POST ROAD.
I'M PRESIDENT OF THE POST ROAD RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION.
LAST SUMMER, I GATHERED INPUT ON THIS PROPOSAL FROM FIVE OF THE ADJACENT HOMES.
THE CONCERNS ABOUT DENSITY WERE SO STRONG AND UNANIMOUS THAT I DECIDED NOT TO CONTACT ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORS AT THAT TIME.
BUT PLANNING DID ENCOURAGE ME TO LOOK AT FACTORS BEYOND SIMPLE DENSITY.
SO I'M GONNA SHARE A SUMMARY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS LAND USE AND TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
NUMBER ONE, THE PROXIMITY TO THE LOT LINE TO THE EAST APPEARS TO BE ONLY 15 FEET.
OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE MINIMUM DISTANCE SHOULD BE 25.
NUMBER TWO, THERE'S MINIMAL GREEN SPACE AND POTENTIALLY NO BUFFERING ON THE PROPERTY LINES WITH THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
NUMBER THREE, FILLING IN THE PROPERTY, FILLING IN THE POND ON THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST IS REQUIRED IN THE PLAN, BUT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE NATURAL FLOW OF THE WATERS THROUGH THESE PROPERTIES.
AND WITH MORE ASPHALTS AND BUILDINGS, THE DRAINAGE IN THIS MINI WETLANDS AREA WOULD INCREASE.
SURFACE PLANS MIGHT NEED TO BE RESTRUCTURED.
AND THE CISTERN IS, WHICH IS WHERE THE FOUNTAIN IS, IS UPHILL FROM MOST OF THE WATER FLOW.
UM, NUMBER FOUR, AND DAVE KAISER JUST ADDRESSED THIS.
THE, UM, THE CURB CUT ON AVERY WOULD NEED TO BE MOVED EVEN CLOSER TO THE ROUNDABOUT BECAUSE THE CURRENT CURB CUT IS USED BY ONLY TWO HOMES.
THIS IS A SHARED DRIVEWAY AND IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
UM, NUMBER FIVE, THE POST ROAD CURB CUT IS SUITABLE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT APPEARS TO BE TOO CLOSE TO THE ROUNDABOUT FOR MULTIFAMILY ACCESS.
AND NUMBER SIX, THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME ON AVERY WOULD BE ISOLATED.
AND THAT'S THAT BIG WHITE SPOT THERE.
UM, I READ THE CASE SUMMARY ONLY THIS MORNING 'CAUSE I JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS MEETING LAST NIGHT.
AND I'D LIKE TO ADD MY SUPPORT FOR THE COMMENTS IN THIS REVIEW ABOUT, UM, ACCESS AND PRESERVING NATURAL COMMUNITY FEATURES, SPECIFICALLY ENGINEERING EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OF THE CURB CUTS TO THE ROUNDABOUT, AND THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I JUST LEARNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL NEED FOR A LEFT HAND TURN LANE ON POST ROAD.
AND FINALLY, REFERRING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE IMPORTANCE OF OPEN SPACE, THIS PROPOSAL WOULD INVOLVE REMOVAL OF NATURAL VE VEGETATION ADJACENT TO INDIAN RUN SUBSTITUTING MANMADE STRUCTURES.
AND THERE'S ONLY 0.06 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE AROUND THE FOUNTAIN AND CISTERN.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT VIA THE LIVESTREAM? ALRIGHT.
WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL ENTER INTO OUR DELIBERATION.
STAFF HAS BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO PREPARE A FEW QUESTIONS, INCLUDING ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION.
SO I WILL REVERSE ORDER AND START WITH MR. CHINOOK.
I APPRECIATE THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
I THINK IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BROUGHT UP A LOT WHERE WE, WE DEFINITELY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOU, UH, YOU COMING AND EXPRESSING YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS.
UM, I I GUESS I CAN SUM UP ALL THESE QUESTIONS IN MY OPINION THERE.
THERE'S JUST WAY TOO MANY, UM, UNANSWERED, UM, QUESTIONS AROUND.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE TRAFFIC STUDY'S A VERY BIG DEAL.
I THINK THE, THE STORM WATER AND THE RETENTION'S A PROBLEM.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN MAKE ANY, UM, EDUCATED OPINIONS ON THIS SITE WHEN IT'S JUST THERE.
THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT HERE THAT'S JUST NOT RESOLVED.
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UM, AGAIN, I MEAN, GENERALLY IT'S OKAY, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST SEEMS LIKE A, I MEAN, EVEN, EVEN, YOU KNOW, NOT TALKING TO TO, TO THE, THE CURRENT, THE OWNER OF THAT EXCLUDED PARCEL.I I MEAN, UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO FORCE SOMETHING HERE THAT JUST DOESN'T, TO ME, DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE UNTIL WE HAVE A LOT MORE, MORE ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTIONS.
UM, AND FOR THE APPLICANT, I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS AS A, AS A TRANSITION LOT FROM THE, FROM THE COMMERCIAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
WE'VE IN THAT, THAT CORNER FOR ALL OF US THAT DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY, THAT'S A VERY PROMINENT CORNER.
I THINK WE CAN DO REALLY SOMETHING REALLY UNIQUE, SOMETHING MAYBE SPECIAL THERE ON THAT CORNER.
WHATEVER THIS DEVELOPMENT BECOMES.
UM, IT, IT'S JUST KIND OF RIGHT NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT A BACK OF A HOUSE AND TO ME THERE'S JUST NOT MUCH THOUGHT PUT BEHIND IT.
AND I THINK, UH, WE HAVE A LOT, A LOT OF WORK TO DO HERE BEFORE WE CAN REALLY MOVE FORWARD.
THANK YOU, MR. CHINNOCK, MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UH, WE APPRECIATE THE PROPOSAL.
UM, I WOULD ALSO AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE HERE AS WELL TOO.
JUST A COUPLE OTHER POINTS TO SAY, I DO THINK IT'S THE DENSITY IS HIGH.
UM, IT'S, THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL HOMES DOWN POST ROAD AND FOR US TO LOSE THAT, UH, DENSITY ISSUE COULD BE DIFFICULT.
UM, AND I DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT IN THAT, UM, IN THIS SEARCH OF THIS, OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY.
UM, ALSO YOU NEED TO KEEP REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, YOU WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE OPEN SPACE IS, UM, IT DOESN'T EVEN FIT WITH THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE FOR THAT.
UH, AND, UH, WHAT WILL THAT BE? AND TO MAKE IT MEANINGFUL FOR SURE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, I, I, I'D LOVE FOR MR WAY TO TALK MORE ABOUT, UM, THE TREES, THE PRESERVATION, THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT.
I THINK THAT, UM, IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR THIS AREA TO KEEP THE CONTINUITY OF WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, UH, WITH THE VEGETATION.
I THINK, UH, I'VE HEARD FOR SOME, FROM SOME FOLKS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS SITE IS, IS, YOU KNOW, BEEN SITTING HERE A LONG TIME.
IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO THINK ABOUT HOW IT COULD REALLY BE PRODUCTIVE IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY IN DUBLIN.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PROPOSAL OF, OF THINKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE IS I OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT THE ISSUES OF THE EXISTING VEGETATION, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF NATURAL CHARACTER OF THIS SITE ADJACENT TO INDIAN RUN, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, A PRECIOUS RESOURCE OF THIS COMMUNITY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE REALLY EMBRACE THAT CHARACTER.
I THINK THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, OBVIOUSLY YOU PUT ALL, ALL THIS PAVING AND ROOFTOP, YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE RUNOFF.
SO HOW DO WE HANDLE WATER FLOW? SO IT MOVES OFF THE SITE IN A VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE WAY.
AND AGAIN, I THINK WE, WE'VE DEVELOPED OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS THESE GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT REALLY HELP WITH SITES LIKE THIS TO UNDERSTAND HOW DO YOU DO DEVELOPMENT SENSITIVELY IN THE COMMUNITY IN A POSITIVE WAY.
SO I THINK I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO REALLY LOOK AT THOSE GUIDELINES AND SEE HOW THEY COULD MODIFY THIS PLAN TO ADDRESS THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE REALLY, UM, EASY TO LOOK NORTH ON A, AND SEE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT BACKS TO IT.
THERE'S A MAJOR LANDSCAPE, UH, UH, BERM THAT BUFFERS THOSE HOUSES IN THE REAR, THE REAR PARTS OF THEM, THE REAR YARDS OF THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DEVELOP THAT STRATEGY AND, AND WRAP A BERM AROUND THIS AND LANDSCAPE IT AND, AND HIDE IT.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A REALLY PROMINENT PLACE IN THE COMMUNITY.
THIS ROUNDABOUT IS KIND OF A GATEWAY LOCATION.
THE OTHER THREE, UH, QUADRANTS OF THE ROUNDABOUT HAVE DEVELOPMENT TO COME OUT AND KIND OF EMBRACE THAT.
AND I THINK THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOMETHING HERE THAT PRO PROJECTS A FACE, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY AND A GATEWAY GOING NORTH ON A REMU FIELD, UH, INTO THE RESIDENTIAL PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED AS THE, AS THE PROPOSAL MOVES FORWARD.
BUT I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF, OF ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL HERE.
UM, I THINK THE DENSITY'S GOING TO BE DICTATED BY TREE PRESERVATION, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO HOW DENSE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO FIT WITHIN THE R ONE CATEGORY REGARDLESS.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, MR. ALEXANDER.
I, I FEEL IT'S WAY TOO DENSE, I THINK, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SO MANY ADVERSE RESULTS IN THIS PLAN BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO IMPOSE ON THE LOT.
AND JUST ONE EXAMPLE, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES RE RECOMMEND THAT GARAGES BE ENTERED AT THE SIDE OR THE REAR.
YOU'VE CREATED A SITUATION WHERE YOU
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HAVE TO ENTER THE GARAGES FROM THE FRONT, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE WANT.UM, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THE STORM WATER, UH, CAN BE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED ON THE SITE THE WAY IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED TO THIS POINT.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT THE DENSITY SEEMS TO PRECLUDE YOU BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS.
I I, I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE CONSIDERING THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ON POST ROAD TO IMPOSE A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ACROSS INDIAN RUN AND DROP IT IN THE SITE AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP IT.
NOT LIKE POST ROAD IS DEVELOPED, BUT WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP IT LIKE, UM, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
UM, WHICH, WHICH IS UNLIKE WHAT YOU SEE ON POST ROAD.
SO I THINK THERE ARE WAYS YOU CAN INCREASE THE DENSITY.
I THINK YOU CAN FOLLOW OUR GUIDELINES TO INCREASE THE DENSITY, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME WAY OF TRANSITIONING FROM THE KIND OF PATTERN OF HOUSING THAT YOU HAVE ON POST ROAD INTO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY MORE DENSE ON THAT SITE.
UM, THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I'M GONNA EMPHASIZE A LITTLE BIT MORE IS WHEN I LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS, IT APPEARS TO ME IN YOUR PLAN THAT THOSE TREES ON AVERY MUIRFIELD NEED TO GO IF YOU KEPT, IF YOU KEPT YOUR PLANT.
AND WHAT THOSE TREE, AVERY MUIRFIELD, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THIS TAGLINE WE'RE THIS GREEN COMMUNITY.
AND THAT GREEN MEANS A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE OF 'EM IS LANDSCAPE IS REALLY DOMINANT IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND WHEN YOU GO DOWN AVERY MURFIELD ROAD, IT'S ALMOST, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A PARKWAY.
I MEAN, IT, IT LANDSCAPE IS SO IMPORTANT.
SO THAT LANDSCAPE ALONG THERE BECOMES THE GATEWAY TO THE ONE MOST IMPORTANT STREETS IN DUBLIN.
SO I, I THINK YOUR PLAN WOULD REQUIRE THOSE TREES TO GO.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY A RECOGNITION.
OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED BI ARE DOING OTHER THINGS WITH LANDSCAPE AROUND THERE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY A RECOGNITION OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE GREATER CONTEXT POST ROAD HOMES LANDSCAPE ON AVERY MUIRFIELD.
SO YEAH, I HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE PROPOSAL.
MR. DESLER, I'M NOT GONNA REHASH WHAT EVERYBODY, UH, MY FELLOW, UH, COMMISSIONER SAID I AGREE WITH THEM WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
WHILE I THINK THIS AREA DOES NEED SOME DEVELOPMENT, THE PROPOSAL HERE DOESN'T MEET THAT.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN HAVE AN EGRESS INGRESS ON AB MEREFIELD.
UM, AGAIN, I SHARE A LOT OF THE SAME CONCERNS.
SO, UM, JUST A COUPLE THAT I'LL HIGHLIGHT.
UM, I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THESE CONCERNS AT ONCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, BY HAVING MORE OPEN SPACE, YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE DENSITY.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE REAR FACING HOMES, ALTHOUGH I THINK BY, UM, FOLLOWING THE MODEL THAT WAS SUGGESTED OF, OF HAVING REAR GARAGE ENTRANCES FOR OUTWARD FACING HOMES WOULD SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR YOU AS WELL.
UM, BUT OVERARCHING IS THAT IT DOESN'T CONNECT, PROVIDE, UH, AN AMENITY TO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND I AGREE THAT THAT'S THE RESULT OF BEING A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE WITH THE DENSITY.
UM, I APPRECIATE, SO THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC TO, UM, FOR COMING OUT.
AND MR. KAISER, I APPRECIATED YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT WANTING DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE SAYING, NO, DON'T BUILD HERE.
WE, WE WANT DEVELOPMENT, WE JUST WANT THE RIGHT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
I APPRECIATE THAT THERE WAS CONTEMPLATION OF TREE PRESERVATION, THAT THAT'S AN AMENITY THAT THE, THE APPLICANT SEES.
I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR HIGH QUALITY PRODUCT.
THEY'RE NOT JUST LOOKING TO PUT, YOU KNOW, SOME COOKIE CUTTER, UM, HOME THERE AND EXITING STAGE LEFT.
UH, AND I, I LIKE THE FEATURES, YOU KNOW, THE FOUNTAIN CONTEMPLATION AND THE ARCHWAY.
HOWEVER, GIVEN THE CONTEXT, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT IT'S AN INCREDIBLY INTENSE AND DENSE AREA.
AND TO ME, THOSE, THOSE AREN'T ALWAYS THE SAME THING.
INTENSITY AND DENSITY, WE CAN HAVE DENSITY WITHOUT INTENSITY.
AND THE WAY THAT WE DO THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE IN SOME OF THE COMPARATIVE AREAS.
SO, UH, IN THE PACKET MATERIAL, THERE WERE SOME OVERLAYS PROVIDED OF ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE ACTUALLY RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE SITE.
WHAT, UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT FAILED TO CALL ATTENTION TO IN HIS PRESENTATION IS THAT WAS ONE PART OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE, THE NICE THING ABOUT PUDS IS IT ALLOWS US TO SHIFT AND, AND CLUSTER SOME DENSITY IN OTHER, IN ONE AREA TO OPEN UP THE DENSITY IN ANOTHER AREA, AND IT'S A TRADE OFF.
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AND SO TAKING THAT OUT OF CONTEXT AND JUST GRABBING SOMETHING THAT MATCHES THE INTENSITY OF, OF A PARCEL AND SAYING, OKAY, WELL MY NEIGHBOR GOT IT, SO THEREFORE I WANT IT, UH, IT, IT FAILS ON THE PLANNING SIDE OF THINGS, RIGHT.WE, WE TRY IN DUBLIN TO DO A GREAT JOB IN LOOKING AT THE CITY CONTEXTUALLY AS A WHOLE AND NOT JUST TO SUM UP THE PARTS.
AND SO THIS ONE, I THINK WE ARE LOOKING TOO MUCH AT THE PART.
UH, I ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO LOOK AT POSSIBILITIES OF DENSITY COMPROMISE WITH THAT TYPE OF CLUSTERING.
THERE ARE, AND THERE'S A CRUDE TERM FOR IT, I'M NOT A FAN OF IT, BUT DEVELOPMENT LANGUAGE, THAT MCMANSION CONCEPT OF AN ATTACHED UNIT THAT'S INCREDIBLY HIGH QUALITY, LOOKS LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT MATCHES WITH THE CHARACTER OF POST ROAD, BUT DOES ALLOW FOR INCREASED DENSITY.
IT'S CLUSTERED, WHICH THEN OPENS UP YOUR SETBACKS.
IT OPEN UP, OPENS UP POSSIBILITIES FOR OPEN SPACE TO YOUR NEIGHBORS.
IT LOOKS LIKE THIS NICE BEAUTIFUL HOME.
YOU JUST HAVE ONE ENTRANCE ON ONE SIDE AND ANOTHER ENTRANCE ON ANOTHER SIDE, AND IT'S FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE.
SO BEING CREATIVE AND LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL DENSITY TO MEET THAT, YOU KNOW, FOUR UNITS PER ACRE THAT THE CITY HAS CONTEMPLATED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL WHILE STILL MANAGING THE WATER, ALLOWING FOR OPEN SPACE, NOT PUTTING A PATIO RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOME, NOT EVEN SIDE YARD, BUT HOME, UH, I THINK THERE, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY A PATH FORWARD.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR PLAN IS IT.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMISSION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? SO FOR THE APPLICANT, DO YOU SEEK ANY CLARIFICATION FROM WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU, UH, THAT WAS NOT CLEAR I HEARD NO, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR THE PIGGYBACK.
OH, I APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK.
AND THE APPLICANT SAID NO, BUT THE, UH, UH, HE APPRECIATED THE FEEDBACK WITH THAT, WE, WE CERTAINLY THANK YOU.
WE DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND, UH, WITH STAFF, OBVIOUSLY AS YOU LOOK AT WHAT COMES NEXT.
[Case #24-152INF]
ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE, UH, WHICH IS 24 DASH 1 52 INF.THIS APPLICATION IS FOR OH, AND JUST FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE EXITING, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE EXITING, EXITING, THE OUTSIDE DOES CREATE KIND OF AN ECHO CHAMBER.
SO IF YOU WOULD HAVE SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATION, WE DO INVITE YOU TO GO PAST THE KITCHEN AREA, OTHERWISE IT ECHOES BACK IN THE ROOM CASE.
24 DASH 1 52 INF IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK FOR THE REZONING AND MODIFICATIONS OF AN EXISTING CAR DEALERSHIP.
THE APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRE SITE IS ZONED PCD PLANNED COMMERCE DISTRICT PERIMETER CENTER AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST AT THE INTERSECTION OF PERIMETER LOOP ROAD AND MERCEDES DRIVE.
WITH THAT, IF THE A APPLICANT IS HERE, WE INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD.
UH, THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS WILL BE THE SAME ON THIS CASE.
WE WILL INVITE THE APPLICANT FIRST, GIVE HIS CASE PRESENTATION, FOLLOWED BY STAFF ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION.
WE WILL THEN HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWING WHICH WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE, UH, DELIBERATION.
YOUR MICROPHONE IS NOT CURRENTLY ON.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE PRESS THE BUTTON OR MS. MAXWELL IF YOU COULD ASSIST.
HI, UH, I'M DAVE CALTY WITH AL ARCHITECTS.
UH, 49 EAST THIRD COLUMBUS, OHIO, IT'S ADDRESS.
UM, SO THE PROJECT IS FOR INEOS, WHICH IS A, A NEW CAR BRAND THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT YET.
UM, IT'S KIND OF A, IT'S A NEAT CAR TO START OFF WITH.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A KIND OF A HYBRID BETWEEN THE MERCEDES G WAGON AND LIKE A DEFENDER.
IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING IN THAT, UM, SPIRIT OF IT, BUT IT'S A, IT'S AN SUV, IT'S PRIMARILY WHAT IT IS.
UM, THE, THE PIECE THAT THEY SELL, UM, THAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THAT CAR IS THEY, THEY REALLY TALK ABOUT ACCESSORIES AND THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS THAT YOU CAN KIND OF BUILD ONTO YOUR CAR, AND THAT'S PART OF THE BRAND.
UM, SO, UM, THE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SELLING THESE CARS OUT OF THE BUILDING CURRENTLY.
IF YOU DRIVE BY THERE, YOU'LL SEE THESE VEHICLES OUT IN, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FOR SALE THERE.
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THE, THE POINT OF THE PROJECT IS TO REFRESH THE BUILDING.UM, IT'S, IT'S A, AN OLD BUILDING.
AND, UM, THE PURPOSE IS TO, AND WE WILL LOOK AT SOME OF THE RENDERINGS HERE IN A MINUTE OF WHAT WE'RE INTENDING TO DO, UM, BUT REALLY GIVE IT MORE OF A FRESH LOOK ON THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING.
MAKE THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, UM, A BIT MORE POWERFUL.
SO, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, THERE'S NOT MUCH IMPACT TO THE OUTSIDE, UM, AREA THAT'S DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE SHOWROOM.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE GREEN AREAS THAT WE HAVE HATCHED.
UM, WE ARE MOVING AROUND SOME OF THE, UM, THE CONCRETE AREAS.
THERE'S LIKE A LOT OF STEPPING AND KIND OF TRIANGULATION THAT'S HAPPENING, AND IT'S MORE ABOUT CLEAN LINES INSIDE OF THAT AREA NOW, AND LESS OF A, CALL IT A PIXELED TYPE OF A LOOK THAT IT HAS, UM, CURRENTLY.
SO, UM, WE DID LOOK AROUND AT SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, UM, NEARBY AND JUST TRIED TO PULL IN SOME OF THOSE, UM, ANGLES TO MAKE THAT MAKE MORE SENSE AND HAVE A BIT OF A GREEN BASE AROUND, UM, AROUND THE SHOWROOM.
WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT THAT, UM, LANDSCAPING SPECIFICALLY IS RIGHT NOW, OTHER THAN WE'RE THINKING THAT IT'LL BE SOMETHING LOW.
UM, THE OTHER PIECE THAT WE DO WANNA LOOK AT TODAY, AND I'D LIKE YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER IS THE, UM, UH, THE PYLON SIGN THAT'S OUT, UH, KIND OF ON THE MAIN ROAD.
SO, UM, WE DO WANT TO, UH, REFACE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A, A JUST THE, THE BRAND CROWN OR THE OWNER CROWN.
UM, WE WANT TO ADD THE, THE LOGO AND THE NAME OF THE COMPANY, THE, THE BRAND OF THE CAR, WHICH IS INEOS GRENADIER.
WE CAN SEE THAT ON THE, THE DRAWING THERE, UM, AND MAKE THAT A BLACK, UH, METAL, UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE BLUE THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY.
UM, IF YOU FLIP OVER TO THE, YEAH, TO THE KIND OF THE BUILDING PROPOSAL.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS SQUARE OFF THE GLASS IN THE FRONT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IT CURRENTLY HAS LIKE THREE KIND OF PYRAMIDS OR TRIANGLES OUT IN THE FRONT.
AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE EDGE OF WHERE THE POINTS ARE ON ALL OF THOSE AND JUST KIND OF FLATTEN IT, SQUARE IT OFF, SO THE GLASS ISN'T REALLY COMING OUT ANY FURTHER THAN IT IS CURRENTLY OTHER THAN JUST STRAIGHTENING OUT CONNECTING THE DOTS, SO TO SPEAK, ON THOSE THREE POINTS.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LARGER CANOPY THAT KIND OF COMES OFF AND HELPS THE FRONT HAVE MORE OF A PRESENCE THAN IT CURRENTLY DOES.
UM, IT, IT'S KIND OF THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.
IT'S MORE OF A FLAT BUILDING WITH THESE, UM, THESE PYRAMIDS POPPING OUT OF THE BASE.
AND NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE HAVING THIS CANOPY LID KIND OF COME OUT TO REALLY START TO HAVE MORE OF A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE EXTERIOR SPACE OUT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S KIND OF AN OPEN CANOPY STRUCTURE AS WELL, SO IT'S NOT ALL SOLID.
THERE'S SOME OPENING TO THAT AS WELL.
UM, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT METAL, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE RIBBED METAL AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THAT CANOPY EDGE.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A KIND OF A SCULPTURAL, UM, CORNER SUPPORT THAT'S THAT RED PIECE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL.
UM, WE ARE, SO, UH, WE WERE TALKING WITH OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND THIS IS A CONCEPT DRAWING RIGHT NOW, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.
UM, AND WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, HE'S LIKE, OKAY, SO HOW ARE YOU GONNA, HOW ARE YOU GONNA DO THIS
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA COME OUT QUITE AS FAR AS IT IS.
IT'S ABOUT A 20 FOOT, UM, CANTILEVER CURRENTLY ON THAT SPECIALTY ON THE CORNER THAT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, ANY SUPPORTS ON IT.
UM, SO WHEN WE GET INTO STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING, THIS MAY PULL BACK TO SOMETHING THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, UM, STAND UP A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UM, SO I, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA GET, UM, TWEAKED JUST A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
UM, BUT THE NATURAL MATERIALS, YOU CAN KIND OF GET THE WA YOU SEE THE WOOD ACCENT, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE OTHER, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ON.
YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE MONITORS MAYBE A LITTLE BETTER.
BUT THE UNDERSIDE OF THIS CANOPY IS, UH, A WOOD LOOKING PRODUCT THAT'S WRAPPING DOWN THE EDGES, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE GLASS.
AND WE'RE PULLING IN THAT SAME KIND OF MATERIAL ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THAT WOULD BE ON THE OUTSIDE AS WELL.
UM, AND I THINK THE COLOR IS ONE OF THE BIGGER ITEMS AS WELL.
SO THERE'S, IT'S A DARKER COLOR THAT WE'RE GOING FOR.
UM, THE, THE BLACK OR DARK CHARCOAL TYPE OF APPEARANCE WE ARE PROPOSING TO PAINT THE BRICK, THE KIND OF THE TAN BRICK THAT'S GOING AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING A DARKER COLOR TO BLEND IN WITH THE FRONT THAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UM, WE ALSO ON THAT, ON THAT NOTE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT WHEN YOU'RE GETTING OFF THE HIGHWAY.
IT'S THE FIRST, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT'S BARELY CLOSE TO THAT, UM, THAT OFF RAMP.
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THAT IS THAT ELEVATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.AND PROBABLY THE OTHER VIEW WOULD BE A, MAYBE A BETTER ONE THAT YOU CAN SEE IT EVEN THAT ONE THERE.
BUT THAT IS REALLY THE PRIMARY ANGLE THAT YOU SEE OF THIS BUILDING WHEN YOU GET OFF THE HIGHWAY.
IT, IT HAS TWO OTHER BUILDINGS ON EITHER SIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES.
EVEN SEEING THE BACKSIDE OF IT, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO REALLY SEE, UM, THE BUILDING.
BUT, UM, SO I GUESS THE, THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT THE IMPACT AREA IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON PRIMARILY.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, YOU COVERED MOST OF THE MAIN ONES, SO YEAH, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HERE, THANK YOU.
WE'LL HANDLE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WE'LL TURN TIME OVER FOR STAFF PRESENTATION AND RECOMMENDATION.
UM, SO THIS IS AN INFORMAL APPLICATION, SO SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, UM, IN THAT THIS IS NON-BINDING FEEDBACK, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE IS EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT TEXT WITH STANDARDS.
UM, SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY THIS IS BEFORE YOU AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
BUT AGAIN, TONIGHT IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK BEFORE THEY PROCEED, UM, WITH THEIR NEXT STEPS.
SO, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, BUT LARGELY, UM, AND MAYBE THIS NEXT SLIDE IS BETTER TO SHOW.
SO, UM, AS THE APPLICANT INDICATED THIS IS PART OF A LARGER CROWN CAMPUS.
UM, SO THE PARCEL IN QUESTION IS THE YELLOW PARCEL.
SO IT'S SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE, UM, OF TWO PIECES.
SO ALL THREE OF THESE PARCELS WERE PART OF A, UH, THE PERIMETER, UH, PUD, THE RED OUTLINED PARCEL CROWN EUROCAR WAS REZONED SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO ACCOMMODATE ALSO ARCHITECTURAL MODIFICATIONS TO, TO PROVIDE SOME UPDATES TO THAT BRAND.
UM, SO WITH THE ANTICIPATION THAT THIS SUB AREA OR THIS YELLOW, THE SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, AND THEN THE CROWN CHRYSLER SITE FURTHER TO THE EAST WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO BE REZONED WHEN THOSE BRANDS WANTED TO BE UPDATED.
SO THERE WAS A PLAN, UM, WITH THE CREATION OF A NEW TEXT FOR THAT CROWN EUROCAR WITHIN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE OTHER TWO SUBS TO SORT OF FOLLOW SUIT AS AS NEEDED.
SO, UM, SO THERE IS A PRECEDENT, UM, FOR THAT ELISE SET UP, UM, AND CONSIDERED FOR THIS.
SO TONIGHT, AGAIN, JUST WANNA TALK THROUGH, UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO SHOW SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS SITE WHICH HIGHLIGHT THE, THE AREA, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT IN THE FRONT, WHICH WE TECHNICALLY CALLED THE ZIGZAGS.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD GO AWAY.
UM, BUT YOU GET A SENSE FOR THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE BUILDING, UM, AND THE STONE COLOR, WHICH IS CONSISTENT AMONGST THE THREE BUILDINGS, UM, AS PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, UM, THE MATERIALS AND THE PAINTING AND, AND THE BRICK, UM, AND SUCH.
AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT EXISTING, UM, SIGN THAT'S, UM, THAT WAS ALLUDED TO, UM, ADDITIONAL PICTURES JUST SHOWING THESE OTHER ELEVATIONS WITH THE ARCHITECTURE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
UM, THE APPLICANT DID A VERY NICE JOB OF TALKING THROUGH THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING FURTHER ON OUR, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE SITE PLAN, UM, FOR DISCUSSION, JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT THEY WANNA SHARE, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
UM, ALSO, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT TALKING ABOUT THEIR PROPOSED MATERIALS, ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES.
SO AGAIN, THAT REQUIRES A REZONING AND AMENDED FOUND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO WANTING TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THE COMMISSION'S PERSPECTIVE ABOUT, YEAH, THE MATERIALS COLOR SCHEME, PAINTING OF THE BRICK, UM, THOSE ARCHITECTURAL MODIFICATIONS, UM, AND YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THAT, UM, ALIGNS WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, WHAT COULD BE THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND THE CHARACTER OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
AND THEN THE LAST PART IS, UM, THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE AND WHAT, UM, WHAT THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK IS REGARDING, UM, CHANGES TO THIS PROPOSED SIGN.
AGAIN, SIMILARLY, THE OTHER TWO, UM, SITES HAVE A SIMILAR LOOKING SIGN WITH THE LARGE BRICK BASE, WHICH THEY'RE PRESERVING.
AND THEN THAT CROWN EUROCAR THAT HAD A NEW, UM, SORT OF UPPER PORTION WITH GRAPHICS ON THERE, UM, INSTALLED AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND CHANGES SEVERAL YEARS AGO AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT, UM, THESE ARE THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS THAT WE, UM, ARE PRESENTING TO HELP THE APPLICANT GET SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
UH, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS, MR. CHINOOK.
UM, SO I GUESS JEN, THE, UM, COLOR, I, I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO NECESSARILY GET DOWN IN THE, THE MATERIALS, BUT IT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL HERE.
THE, THE, THE PAINTING, THE, THE BRICK THAT MM-HMM
DARK BLACK, IS THE STAFF SUPPORTIVE CITY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT DARK COLOR? SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S ALL GOES BACK TO SORT OF WHAT YOU WANT THE CHARACTER OF THIS AREA TO LOOK LIKE.
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CODE UNLESS YOU'RE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT REALLY SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT PROHIBITING OR NOT RECOMMENDING PAINTING OF BRICK.UM, GIVEN THE HISTORIC NATURE OF SITES.
SO WITHIN THE CITY WE HAVE HAD A HANDFUL OF SITES, UM, MOSTLY IN THE BRIDGE STREET THAT HAVE PAINTED BRICK.
SO, UM, LIKE THE, WHAT DID WE SAY THAT WAS, IT'S ON 1 61 FIRST WATCH.
UM, THEY DID THAT AND THEN WE HAD, UM, PENZONE, I THINK THEY DID SORT OF A WHITEWASHED TO THEIR BRICK.
SO AGAIN, IT, THAT WOULD IS PARTIALLY WHAT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, AND BE PART OF THIS, YOU KNOW, MODIFICATION THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.
SO, AND THEN, AND THEN YOU ALSO, ME THINKING, YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE, WHEN I, KYLE WAS GOING THERE TOO, THERE'S LIKE THIS CAMPUS FEEL FOR THESE THREE BUILDINGS MM-HMM
AND THERE'S NO, UM, LIMITATIONS ON WHAT THEY CAN DO REGARDING WITHIN THE OTHER PROPERTIES.
LARGELY IT GETS TO, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO MODERNIZE AND UPDATE THIS, THESE BUILDINGS AND PROVIDING THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR VIBRANT ARCHITECTURE.
SO IT DOES CONTEMPLATE MODERNIZING THIS.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND WE'VE HAD SOME INTERNAL DISCUSSION TOO, IS IT SOME, YOU KNOW, IS IT THE FRONT FACADE GETS PAINTED AND NOT THE SIDES OR SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME COMPROMISE SOLUTION IF YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE WHOLE BUILDING BEING PAINTED.
AND ONE, SORRY, ONE MORE QUESTION MATERIAL.
SO THE VINYL AND THE VINYL WOOD PANELING, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE TYPICALLY SUPPORT THAT WOULD, WE DEFINITELY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THE APPLICANT COULD SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED TO STAFF AS WELL.
'CAUSE AND MOSTLY RELATED TO HAVE WE SEEN THIS MATERIAL BEFORE, WHICH IT DOESN'T, WE WENT BACK THROUGH OUR SORT OF DATABASE AND IT WAS, IT WAS A WOOD LOOKING METAL PANEL, NOT, NOT THIS PARTICULAR MATERIAL.
SO, WE'LL, WE CAN DEFINITELY GET MORE INFORMATION WHEN THIS MOVES FORWARD, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S A VALID QUESTION FOR YOU ALL TO ASK AS PART OF THIS.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE INCLUDED IN THE NEXT, NEXT PHASE.
AND SORRY, COUPLE, COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS TO APPLICANT.
SO CAN YOU TALK, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN YOU TOUCHED ON A, UH, UH, BRIEFLY THE DESIGN, AND AGAIN, GOOD FOR, GOOD FOR YOU TO FIGURE OUT THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING.
THE, UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE RED AND SOME OF THE COLOR? IS THAT LIKE, ARE THESE BRAND COLORS OR WHY THE COLOR PALETTE? WHY ARE YOU CHOOSING MAT THESE MATERIALS? CAN YOU KIND OF YEAH, UM, ELABORATE ON THAT A BIT? SO, UM, I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS JUST TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT IN THIS PARTICULAR BRAND, WHICH I, I FORGOT TO MENTION, BUT OBVIOUSLY INEOS IS A BIG THING IN THE DUBLIN AREA.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE COMPANIES THAT INEOS IS A PART OF.
UM, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE OF A BOUTIQUE, UM, NEWER BRAND, THEY DON'T HAVE THIS TYPE OF, UM, BRAND REQUIREMENTS THAT A LOT OF THE OTHER MANUFACTURERS DO.
UH, LIKE MERCEDES, REALLY ALL OF 'EM THAT ARE IN THAT, THAT ROW MAG IS ITS OWN ANOMALY.
UM, BUT, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S BEEN MORE FREEDOM ON, ON OUR SIDE TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH IDEAS THAT WE THINK THAT ARE, ARE GOOD AND COMPELLING TO, TO USE THE DARKER COLOR.
I THINK EVERYONE WAS DRAWN TO THE OWNER OURSELVES, THE DESIGNERS, EVERYONE LIKED THE IDEA OF DOING THE DARKER ACCENTS FOR THE CANOPY IN PARTICULAR.
UM, OUT OF THE GATE THE WOOD WAS A MATERIAL AND WHETHER IT'S VINYL OR IT'S A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT MATERIAL BECOMES.
UM, I THINK THE, THE TRUE NATURAL WOOD ON THE OUTSIDE OF A BUILDING IS A DIFFICULT THING TO MAINTAIN.
SO JUST FINDING A MATERIAL THAT CAN WITHSTAND WEATHER AND STILL LOOK NATURAL, WE WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO WHATEVER THAT WOULD NEED TO BE.
UM, BUT UM, BUT THAT WAS THE IDEA WAS PULLING OUT SOME OF THE WOOD TONES FROM THE INTERIOR BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT INEOS DOES WANT TO HAVE.
THEY WANT TO HAVE A WOOD TYPE OF A FEEL ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND HAVING THAT COME TO THE OUTSIDE WAS THE REASON WHY WE WERE PULLING THAT WOOD ACCENT INTO THAT LOCATION.
UM, THE RED IS A, AN ACCENT COLOR THAT IS USED AND THAT'S WHY WE USED IT ON THE SCULPTURAL KIND OF SUPPORT, UM, SIDE OF THINGS, UM, WHICH FELT LIKE A GOOD, NICE BALANCE TO THE OVERALL HOLE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING AND THE AESTHETIC.
AND THEN DID YOU, DID YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, BRICK, UH, ON THE SIGN, ON THE MONUMENT SIGN? DID YOU LOOK AT POTENTIALLY PAINTING THAT BRICK AND YEAH, I THINK WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO ON THE BUILDING, IT WOULD WANT TO APPLY TO THE FRONT AS WELL TO TIE THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER.
UM, SO NO, I, THE RENDERING DOESN'T ACCURATELY DEPICT THAT SIDE OF THINGS CURRENTLY.
AND THEN, SORRY, LAST QUESTION.
SO, UH, I HATE TO DO THIS, BUT WE DO IT ALL THE TIME.
THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING SHOWN IN THIS PARTICULAR RENDERING.
THERE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE PER THE SITE PLAN, THERE WOULD BE LANDSCAPE.
YOU MENTIONED LOW LANDSCAPING HERE, THIS ISN'T ACCURATE IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING, CORRECT? CORRECT.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING IS THAT IT'S ISOLATED TO THE AREAS THAT WE'RE IMPACTING.
UM, WHICH IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE SHOWROOM REALLY TO THAT FIRST RAIL PARKING THAT'S SOUTH OF THE CURRENT SHOWROOM.
THANK YOU MR. CHINOOK, MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
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SO JUST SO I'M CLARIFY, CLEARING CLARIFIED ON THE WINDOWS, THESE ARE ALL NEW WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN? YES.AND MAKING THAT FACADE INSTEAD OF THE PROTRUDING THAT I NOTICED BEFORE, COULD YOU REMIND ME WHERE THE FRONT DOOR WOULD BE THEN? UM, THEY'RE STILL IN THE SAME LOCATIONS OKAY.
WHERE THEY ARE NOW, BUT THEY'RE, RIGHT NOW THERE'S THESE VESTIBULES THAT POP OUT OF THE BUILDING AND WE'RE KIND OF SUCKING THOSE BACK IN.
SO IT'S IN THE SAME PLANE OF THE, THE BIGGER WALL BEHIND THAT.
AND THEN I, I NOTICED THAT INSIDE THERE'S WOOD MM-HMM
UM, WOULD I BE ABLE TO SEE THAT FROM THE OUTSIDE AND WOULD THAT MATCH THE ROOF OF THE CANOPY? IS THAT YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENT.
THAT THOSE THINGS TIE TOGETHER.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD SEE CLEARLY FROM.
AND THEN, UH, THE CONCRETE SQUARES, UH, SO I'M SEEING BRICK, I'M SEEING CONCRETE SQUARES, THEN BRICK, ALL OF THAT WOULD BE BLACK.
UM, WHICH CONCRETE SQUARE DO YOU, SO I SEE ON THE BUILDING, I'M CALLING THEM CONCRETE SQUARES, BUT, OH, BACK TO THE OTHER IMAGE.
THAT LEFT SIDE BY THE BASE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO MS. HARVEY? YEAH.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY BRICK, BUT THEN THERE'S THESE, YOU KNOW, PATTERNS.
THEY LOOK SQUARE TO ME OF CONCRETE AND JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE WHEN I WAS THERE, AND I'M JUST ASKING, I SEE THAT YOU'RE PAINTING BRICK AND IT'S A WHOLE OTHER, YOU KNOW, SOME DIFFERENT PRODUCT.
ARE YOU, I'M CALLING IT CONCRETE.
UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE DOORS? NOPE.
LIKE THE, I'M TALKING ABOUT ON THE SIDE, ON THE BUILDING, ON THE ELEVATION.
IF YOU, I THINK IT'S THE, IN THE ELEVATIONS YOU HAVE THE BLACK, AND THEN THERE'S A GRAY COLOR.
WHAT'S THE GRAY COLOR? SO ON THAT UPPER DRAWING RIGHT NOW, AND THE LOWER ONE, WHAT'S THE GRAY? YEAH.
SO THOSE ARE, UM, WELL THAT WASN'T THE, THE GRAY, AT LEAST IN THE ELEVATIONS IS INTENDED TO BE SHOWING LIKE, DEPTH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S BEYOND, BEHIND THE PRIMARY ELEVATION.
UM, BUT ON THE TOP ONE, THE TWO LIGHTER GRAY, UM, BARS THAT ARE KIND OF ON THE LEFT, THOSE ARE TWO OVERHEAD DOORS.
AND THEN THE OTHER PANELS TO THE RIGHT, RIGHT OF THAT ARE, IT'S GLASS.
THAT'S A KIND OF A STOREFRONT GLASS SYSTEM.
SO WHAT, WHAT GOES AROUND THE GLASS? YEAH.
YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THAT ACCENT MATERIAL.
THE WHAT'S GOING AROUND THE GLASS, THAT PRODUCT IS THAT PAINTED AS WELL TOO? UM, IF IT'S NOT A DOOR AND IF IT'S NOT GLASS, THEN THAT WOULD BE PAINTED IT'S PROPOSAL.
SO IT'S ALL PAINTED THE, THE SAME COLOR.
NOT A DIFFERENT COLOR AND CORRECT.
AND THEN, UM, CAN YOU EXPAND ON THE GARAGE DOORS? 'CAUSE REMIND ME, YOU HAVE TWO GARAGE DOORS.
ARE THEY, UM, CHANGING THE OUTSIDE OF THE DOORS? I MEAN THE, THE GARAGE DOORS, BECAUSE THE GARAGE DOORS LOOK LIKE YOU'RE RECENT, YOUR, YOUR WINDOWS TODAY.
I, WE HAVEN'T, I'LL BE HONEST, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC DETAIL QUITE YET.
UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF OVERHEAD DOORS THAT YOU CAN USE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST BIG GLASS.
WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A SLOW MOVING DOOR, OR IT'S THOSE RAPID DOORS THAT KIND OF FLY UP, WHICH HAS A DIFFERENT APPEARANCE TO IT.
UM, THAT HASN'T, WE HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY DISCUSSED THAT IN GREAT DETAIL YET.
AT THIS POINT YOU WOULD SAY THEY MATCH.
AND SO THEN WHEN YOU BRING IN ANOTHER PRODUCT, WOULD THEY MATCH THAT'S OH, YEAH.
THE DOORS WILL, THEY WILL MATCH, CORRECT.
UM, AND THEN ANY, UM, PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO SIT OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, EITHER CUSTOMERS OR BREAKS OR THINGS OF THAT SORT? UM, WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED THAT YET.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY COULD THINK ABOUT 'EM.
WE HAVE POCKETS OF LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT AREA THAT COULD HAVE MOMENTS FOR THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, YOUR SIGN, THERE'S A SIGN IN THE BUILDING THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE OUTSIDE.
THERE'S A SIGN THAT'S GOING TO BE ABOVE ON THE CANOPY.
TELL ME ABOUT THAT SIGN THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT.
IS IT A STRUCTURE THAT STAYS, IT'S JUST IN ONE, UH, IT DOESN'T MOVE BACK AND FORTH AND SO FORTH? YEAH, NO, THAT WOULD BE A RIGID, UM, METAL BASED SIGN WITH IT LIKELY WOULD BE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED THE LETTERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE.
AGAIN, JUST THAT'S A KIND OF A CONCEPT THING.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN INTO THE DETAILS QUITE YET, BUT YEAH.
THANK YOU, MS. HARTER, MR. WAY.
I, I, I THINK, UM, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THE BLACK AND GRAY BECAUSE I JUST, I WANTED TO BE CLEAR.
AND MAYBE THE, MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE CAN HELP ME OUT HERE.
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YOU OBVIOUSLY SHOW THE, THE BLACK PAINTED AND THE METAL PANEL, BUT THEN THERE'S THIS GRAY COLOR.IS THAT THE EXISTING BRICK, OR IS, ARE THOSE SURFACES SUPPOSED TO BE, IS UP THE NOTE UP IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER SAYS SCOPE IS ONLY.
I SEE, I SEE HOW THIS IS CREATING CONFUSION.
UM, BUT YEAH, THE, THE INTENT IS THAT THE WHOLE BUILDING IS PAINTED.
IT'S ALL THE SAME COLOR, ALL PAINTED.
BECAUSE THAT NOTE MISLED ME THAT IT'S ONLY THE FACADE.
SO THERE ISN'T THIS GRAY COLOR.
UM, I'M, I'M, I'M JUST, AND THIS IS, I'M GONNA THROW THIS QUESTION OUT TO THE ARCHITECTS ON THE
UM, THIS ISSUE OF PAINTING BRICK, I JUST, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH WE'VE REALLY HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS, AS JENNY SAID, THERE'S BEEN CASES OF IT, AND I JUST DON'T, THIS IS LIKE A WHOLE BUILDING WE'RE REPAINTING NOW.
IT'S NOT LIKE LITTLE PIECES OF IT.
I, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MAKING IT BLACK.
AND IF YOU CAN DO IT WITH PAINT, OR YOU COULD DO IT WITH SOME KIND OF A PANEL OVER THE BRICK OR SOMETHING.
WHICH OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE MORE COSTLY.
BUT I, SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE, THE WHOLE, UH, PROPOSAL HERE.
IT JUST, I, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING A, A QUESTION FOR ME.
AND AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY THE VINYL COATED WOOD OR VINYL COATED SOMETHING WOOD, FAKE WOOD, AGAIN, IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN I HEAR VINYL IT, I JUST, IT MAKES ME NERVOUS.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR ISSUE ABOUT, UM, WHETHER YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU WANT THE WOOD LOOK, BUT YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT'S DURABLE.
AND I LIKE THE WOOD LOOK, BUT I, I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THE MATERIAL IS SOMETHING THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO, UM, OUR ARCHITECTURAL ADVISOR AND, AND THIS COMMISSION.
THANK YOU MR WAY, MR. ALEXANDER.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE YOU TELLING US THAT THE WOOD PRODUCT IS VINYL, BECAUSE SO FREQUENTLY WE SEE SAMPLES THAT PEOPLE SAY THIS IS WOOD AND IT'S NOT.
AND WHEN YOU READ THE SPEC, IT HAS RESIN OR IT HAS SOMETHING ELSE IN IT.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING US KNOW, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK OUT SOMETHING THAT, 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE WEATHERING OF WOOD.
I HAVE SORT OF AN OBSCURE QUESTION AND THEN A MORE CONCRETE ONE.
SO I WENT ONLINE AND LOOKED AT THESE CARS AND LOOKED AT THEIR MARKETING.
AND THAT V THAT RED V IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THEIR SIGNAGE AND THEIR LOGO AND THEIR IDENTIFICATION.
WHY IS THIS V NOT A SIGN? AND WHAT HAPPENS IF MERCEDES WANTS A BIG MERCEDES SYMBOL ON THEIR BUILDING? MR. BOGGS, CAN I DIRECT THAT TO YOU? WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE
BUT ESSENTIALLY THE CONCLUSION THAT WE CAME TO WHEN LOOKING AT THIS IS FIRST OF ALL, UM, OR DEFINITION OF A SIGN AMONG OUR MANY, MANY, MANY DEFINITIONS IS THAT IT'S ANY NAME, NUMBER SYMBOL IDENTIFICATION DESCRIPTION, DISPLAY, ILLUSTRATION, OBJECT, GRAPHIC SIGN STRUCTURE.
SO IN THAT CONTEXT, MEANING, UM, LIKE THE, THE FOUNDATION OF A MONUMENT SIGN, OR PART THEREOF, A FIXED TUBE PAINTED ON, REPRESENTED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY UPON OR PROJECTED ONTO A BUILDING STRUCTURE LOT OR OTHER DEVICE.
UM, HERE WE HAVE WHAT APPEARS TO BE BOTH A, A STRUCTURAL ELEMENT THAT IS STYLISTIC.
AND THE ONLY ELEMENT HERE THAT HAPPENS TO, UM, EVOKE THE LOGO ITSELF IS ITS COLOR.
THE FORM, UM, IN THIS SORT OF INCLINED, UH, UPSIDE DOWN V UH, SEEMS TO BE BOTH A, A STRUCTURAL PART OF THAT CANOPY AND IN AND OF ITSELF WOULD NOT BE EVOCATIVE OF THE LOGO, BUT FOR THAT COLOR.
AND SO IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THIS WAS A SIGN, UM, WE THOUGHT, WELL, IF IT WERE A DIFFERENT COLOR, WOULD WE TREAT IT AS A SIGN? AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
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THE SHAPE YOU, YOU'RE LEAVING OUT THE SHAPE, YOU'RE SAYING THE COLOR, BUT THAT SHAPE MATCHES EXACTLY THE SHAPE THAT IS IN.AND NOW YOU HAVE TO DEFEND THIS, RIGHT? SO IF YOU SAY IT'S NOT A SIGN, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MERCEDES COMES HERE AND SAYS, OR THEY COME WHEN THEY DO THE MERCEDES DEALERSHIP AND SAY, OKAY, WELL WE WANT THIS BIG MERCEDES SIGN.
WELL, I WILL SAY HERE THAT THIS IS, UH, THE ISSUE BEING THAT IF, IF THE ONLY DISTINCTION WE'RE MAKING IS BASED ON THE COLOR, AND I THINK IF THIS HAD COME IN AS GRAY OR BLACK, WE WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN HAD THIS SIGN DISCUSSION.
BUT MAKING THE ONLY DISTINCTION BASED ON COLOR AS OPPOSED TO FORM BECOMES TRICKY TO DEFEND IN A SIGN CONTEXT BECAUSE IT STARTS TO BE MORE OF A, UM, CONTENT RELATED TYPE OF ANALYSIS.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE FORM, THE SHAPE OF THE SIGN.
WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING CONTENT, UH, DERIVED, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS THE COLOR.
IF IN YOUR HYPOTHETICAL MERCEDES CAME, UM, AND ONE OF A SIMILAR STRUCTURAL ELEMENT THAT WAS THE SHAPE OF THEIR LOGO, UM, WE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT ANALYSIS.
UM, IT'S, THESE ARE HIGHLY FACT SPECIFIC.
AND SO LOOKING AT THIS ONE, I FELT IT APPROPRIATE NOT TO CLASSIFY IT AS A SIGN.
THE, THE CAMPUS IS DEVELOPED NOW SO THAT EACH OF THE BUILDINGS, WHILE THEY SHARE THE COMMON BRICK COLOR, THEY EACH HAVE VERY DISTINCT FRONTS THAT DIFFERENTIATES THEM.
THEY HAVE THREE DIFFERENT FRONTS.
SO THERE'S COMMONALITY AMONGST THE BUILDINGS, BUT THERE'S ENOUGH INDIVIDUALITY SO YOU CAN IDENTIFY THE DIFFERENT DEALERSHIPS.
SO WHY ARE YOU CHOOSING TO AS INSTEAD OF MAINTAINING THAT STRATEGY WITH A BRAND NEW FRONT, YOU'RE SAYING WE DON'T WANT JUST A BRAND NEW FRONT.
WE WANT, WE WANT THIS TO BE DISTINCT FROM THE CROWN CAMPUS.
I I THINK THE, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT REFRESHING AND MODERNIZING THIS BUILDING, UM, THE FACT THAT IT IS KIND OF IN A, A POCKET, SO TO SPEAK, YES, IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN THESE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS.
AND YES, THEY ARE PART OF, YOU KNOW, A, A, A LARGER HOLE.
UM, BUT READING IT AS THE, THE IMPORTANCE OF KEEPING THAT SAME TAN BRICK UNIFIED THROUGHOUT, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, BOTH THE, FROM THE DESIGN SIDE AND THE OWNERS WERE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, WE DON'T REALLY LIKE THE LOOK OF THE BRICK TO BE QUITE HONEST.
UM, WE ACTUALLY RECENTLY IN, UM, AT EASTON THERE WAS THE OLD INFINITY STORE, WHICH WAS A TAN BRICK.
IT'S RIGHT BY THE MERCEDES-BENZ STORE OFF, UH, MORS ROAD.
UM, BUT WE PAINTED THAT ONE AS WELL WITHIN THE LAST YEAR.
AND IT TURNED OUT REALLY GREAT.
LIKE, IT WAS LIKE, JUST REALLY SHOCKING OF HOW GOOD THAT THAT LOOKED BY PAINTING IT A DARKER COLOR.
SO THAT ALSO FURTHERED US TO BE THINKING LIKE, WOW, WE COULD MAKE THE WHOLE THING LOOK REALLY GOOD IF WE, IF WE DO THIS TREATMENT TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
UM, I THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE TREES SPECIFICALLY THAT ARE BEHIND BETWEEN ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DEALERSHIPS IN THERE.
Y YES WHEN YOU'RE IN THERE YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER BUILDINGS, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY THAT OPEN TO EACH OTHER.
THEY DO HAVE KIND OF A UNIQUE, UM, PRESENCE INDIVIDUALLY FOR EACH ONE.
MR. DASHER, SO YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY EVALUATING FROM A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER STANDPOINT IS THAT IT'S AN A, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, RIGHT? THE, THAT COMPONENT, THE RED COMPONENT.
OH, THE, THE SUPPORT ON THE CORNER, RIGHT.
IS IT REALLY A STRUCTURAL SUPPORT? OH YEAH.
'CAUSE SO THEN GO BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT WHAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WAS TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT HOW FAR OUT THE, HOW FAR WHAT'S GONNA BE.
SO IT HAD TO DO WITH THE THICKNESS OF THE, UM, THE CANTILEVER THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THIS NEW ROOF THAT'S COMING OUT RIGHT IS FAIRLY THIN.
UM, SO TO COME OUT AS FAR AS WE'RE SHOWING, THEY HAD SUGGESTED LIKE YOU MIGHT NEED BIGGER MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO SPAN OUT THAT FAR.
UM, WE'RE ALSO HAVE TO TIE THIS INTO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
THERE ARE SOME COLUMNS IN THERE AND JUST HOW THAT ALL KIND OF COMES TOGETHER.
UM, SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO KEEP IT AT THE HEIGHT OR THE, THE LENGTH THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UM, JUST FROM AN INITIAL FIRST PASS FROM OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, THEY SAID, HEY, THIS MIGHT BE EASIER IF YOU PULL THIS IN A LITTLE BIT FROM WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW.
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SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS RIGHT NOW, WHERE THAT, YOU KNOW, COMFORTABLE MATHEMATICAL, STRUCTURAL VALUE NEEDS TO BE TO MAKE THIS THING WORK.THE NICE THING IS, IS THAT WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND WE'RE COMING OUT INTO AN AREA THAT'S CURRENTLY OPEN.
SO WHATEVER THE COVERED AREA NEEDS TO BE TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE, UM, STRUCTURALLY I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE STILL HAVE TO, UM, EXPLORE A BIT MORE.
AND JUST SO I'M CLEAR, IT, I MEAN IT IS THE INTENTION TO HAVE IT RED BECAUSE IT GOES ALONG WITH THE BRAND SIMILAR.
IT'S MATCHING THE A IN THE NAME ON THE SIGN, RIGHT? WELL, IT'S AN ACCENT COLOR FOR, FOR THE BRAND.
SO LIKE WHEN YOU GO INSIDE THE BUILDING, THERE WILL BE ACCENTS OF IN INTERIOR, THERE ARE ALSO RED ACCENTS, SMALL, SMALL RED ACCENTS INSIDE.
SO YES, IT'S AN ACCENT COLOR USED INSIDE AS WELL.
I, AND, AND LOOK, I'M GONNA, I, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE TOO DIFFICULT HERE.
I JUST WANT TO, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO, THIS KIND OF GOES WITH A SIGN ASPECT AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA HIT ON IT HERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE AN A, TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MATCHING YOUR, THE COLOR.
FORGET THE COLOR, IT'S THE SHAPE.
'CAUSE YOU COULD JUST PUT A STRAIGHT COLUMN THERE.
THE REASON YOU WANT THAT SHAPE IS BECAUSE IT MATCHES THE A IN IN THE BRAND.
IS THAT FAIR? WELL, I THINK THERE'S SOME SIMILARITIES FOR SURE.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT DEBATING THAT IT DOESN'T, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S, I MEAN WE'RE AT THE INFORMAL STAGE, BUT I COULD, I COULD CROSS EXAMINE YOU A LITTLE MORE.
JENNY, GOING, GOING BACK, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS.
SO THE INTENTION ABOUT HAVING EACH ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS IN THEIR OWN KIND OF REZONING POTENTIAL, RIGHT, WAS FOR AN INSTANCE SUCH AS THIS, WHEN THEY WANT TO REFRESH OF THE BUILDING THAT'S CONTEMPLATED BY THE CITY AND BY THE CODE.
SO IT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, WHEN THAT ORIGINAL, THAT CROWN EUROCAR AGAIN WAS ALSO PART OF THIS ORIGINAL PERIMETER CENTER PUBITY.
SO THE CHANGES THAT THEY MADE INSTEAD OF, BECAUSE HONESTLY PERIMETER CENTER TEXT IS HUMONGOUS.
I MEAN IT TAKES, IT'S LIKE EIGHT SUB AREAS, NINE SUB AREAS.
SO THEY JUST CREATED THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT TEXT, UM, FOR THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL.
AND AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS SUB AREA A, THEN THIS COULD BE FUTURE BEEF AND THEN THE ONE FURTHER TO THE EAST WOULD BE FUTURE SUB AREAS C.
SO THE INTENT WAS THOSE TO EACH SORT OF HAVE THE SAME CONTINUITY OF, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO, LET'S SEE, I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT IT SAYS.
I MEAN IT'S TALKING ABOUT VISUAL QUALITY PROMINENCE AS AN IMPORTANT GATEWAY TO CITY THAT ALL THE BUILDINGS SHALL BE DESIGNED TO REFLECT THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF A ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE GOAL IS SOME OF THIS THAT CONTINUITY, BUT THE ABILITY TO HAVE KNOWING THIS PROMINENT LOCATION TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS, TO MODERNIZE THAT.
WHAT'S THE CITY'S POSITION THEN ON IF EACH ONE OF THESE SUB AREAS ARE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT FROM A COLOR STANDPOINT? I MEAN THE, IN BASED ON THE CURRENT CHARACTER.
EVEN EVEN THE CROWN EUROCAR, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AND I CAN SHOW THE STREET VIEW OF THAT, 'CAUSE THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS NICELY.
IT, IT HAS, IT RETAINS SOME OF THAT BRICK THAT'S THERE.
THE FRONT IS VERY DIFFERENT THOUGH.
IT DOES HAVE A MUCH MORE MODERN BLACK, UM, AND SILVERISH GRAY METAL TONES TO THAT.
SO AGAIN, I COULD SEE THAT SAME KIND OF CHARACTER BEING CARRIED THROUGH EACH OF THESE BUILDINGS IN THEIR OWN UNIQUE WAY.
SO I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE STARTING TO DO THAT WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
I THINK IT'S, THEY'RE TAKING IT A STEP FURTHER AND PAINTING ALL THE BRICK AS OPPOSED TO I THINK WHAT UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WAS TONIGHT ABOUT HOW MUCH, RIGHT, IS IT ALL OF IT? IS IT JUST A WAY TO MAKE THIS LOOK DIFFERENT FROM THE FRONT FACADE AND THEN THE REST STILL RELATES IS THAT'S DEFINITELY PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
WOULD YOU MIND A PIGGYBACK QUESTION? GO FOR IT.
HOW WOULD THE A FDB TEXT APPLY RETROSPECTIVELY TO THE MODIFICATION AT CROWN SUB AREA A OR SUB AREA ONE CARRYING THROUGH B AND C? I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TEXT AND SEE EXACTLY HOW THAT'S LAID OUT.
I MEAN, A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT TECHS HAVE GENERAL STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO ALL, AND THEN THERE'S MORE SPECIFIC, 'CAUSE EACH SITE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO AGAIN, I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO HANDLE THAT IN THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY BASED ON THE DISCUSSION.
SO YES, WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY ALL HAVE TO HAVE SOME ELEMENT OF SOMETHING.
I MEAN WE CAN'T REHASH WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, BUT WE CAN BUILD ON THAT AND MAKE THAT SPECIFIC.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE REZONING THAT WE CAN WRITE OR HELP THE APPLICANT WRITE THE STANDARDS TO WHAT THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION IS.
UM, YEAH, I GOT MOST OF WHAT I'M GONNA ASK ABOUT'S BEEN TOUCHED ON.
UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, JENNY HAD MENTIONED THE,
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UH, CROWN EUROCAR HAVING MAYBE A SIDE PAINTED.IS IT YOUR INTENTION ON FUTURE, UH, BRANDS WITHIN CROWN TO INCORPORATE THIS AS A CONSISTENT ELEMENT WHERE THEY MAY BE PAINTED TO BE IN THAT WAY BROUGHT BACK TO MORE CONSISTENCY? OH, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT.
AND GOING BACK TO THE NOT SIGN
AND I THINK EVEN IF IT WERE NOT INCLINED, UM, WE WOULD STILL HAVE CHALLENGES DEFENDING THIS, DEFENDING INTERPRETING AND TREATING THAT AS A SIGN VERSUS AN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT THAT HAPPENS TO HAVE THIS ACCENT COLOR.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT RIGHT NOW.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WITH THAT, WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE DO INVITE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW, SO NO SWEARING IN IS REQUIRED.
IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THAT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS CASE? JENNY, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY VIEW THE LIVESTREAM.
WE WILL PROCEED WITH DELIBERATION.
SO I AM GOING TO GO BACK TO MR. GARVIN.
I KNOW I JUST FINISHED WITH YOU, BUT I'M NOT DONE WITH YOU YET.
SO I'LL USE THE UH, UH, QUESTIONS AS A GUIDE HERE.
UM, FRANKLY I WOULD ANSWER YES TO ALL OF THEM.
UM, I, UH, SUPPORT THE REZONING.
I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE EUROCAR REZONING.
UM, I SUPPORT THE SITE MODIFICATIONS, UM, THE BUILDING MODIFICATIONS WITH THAT CAVEAT BEING THAT I DO THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT A LITTLE BIT OF A LOOPHOLE SITUATION WITH THAT, WITH THE, UH, STRUCTURE.
AND THEN, YEAH, IN TERMS OF CONSISTENCY, I THINK IT'S, UH, THE GOAL OF THAT TEXT TO HAVE THESE BUILDINGS RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER IN SOME WAY.
UM, IF THIS DOES TIE A LITTLE BIT FROM THE CHANGES MADE TO THE EUROCAR LOCATION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BROUGHT INTO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK FOR THE MOMENT CAPTURED IN TIME, YOU'LL HAVE ONE BUILDING A LITTLE DIFFERENT, ONE VASTLY DIFFERENT, AND THEN THE REST, UM, REMAINING CONSISTENT TO THEIR PREVIOUS ITERATIONS.
MR. DESLER, I'M SUPPORTIVE AS WELL.
AND WITH, YOU KNOW, THE SUPPORT FROM LEGAL COUNSEL RELATIVE TO THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN BE ALIGNED ON THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO, TO SEE THE APPLICANT AS IT, UH, PROCEEDS FORWARD WITH STAFF, JUST ENSURING THAT, UH, IF FROM THE, THE REZONING STANDPOINT ABOUT THE COLOR JUST BETWEEN OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING COMPARATIVELY TO THE, THE FULL, UM, YOU KNOW, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE FULL COLOR OF ALL BEING BLACK.
HOWEVER, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE RUNNING INTO JUST SOME CONTINUITY ISSUES BETWEEN EACH OF THE, THE SUB AREAS WHERE IT, IT REALLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE INTENT OF, OF WHAT WE'RE ALLOWING IT TO BE.
SO AS LONG AS THAT'S HANDLED APPROPRIATELY, AND I KNOW WE'LL SEE IT AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADDRESS IT AT THAT TIME FORWARD.
MR. ALEXANDER, THE ONLY THING I DON'T SUPPORT IS THE PAINTING OF THE BRICK.
AND HERE'S WHY WE TOLD HIS ASSOCIATE WHEN HE CAME BEFORE US LAST MONTH, THAT WE APPRECIATED THE CONTINUITY OF THAT BUILDING AND THE CHANGES THAT WERE DISRUPTING THE INTENDED DESIGN, CONTINUITY OF THAT BUILDING.
THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY REACTED TO.
UM, AND SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN UNITY OF THESE ELEMENTS ON THE CAMPUS AND WE TRY TO DO THAT WITH THE VOLVO DEALERSHIP AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT HERE AND KEEP THE BRICK THE SAME.
I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE IS FINE.
I'M, I'LL BE FASCINATED TO SEE HOW THIS IS ENGINEERED, UM, WHEN THEY COME BACK BECAUSE I HAD THE SAME CONCERNS YOUR ENGINEER DID
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WHEN I SAW THAT STRUCTURE AS HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU SPAN THAT DISTANCE WITH SOMETHING SO THIN? BUT, BUT I, I REALLY DON'T AGREE.UH, THE PAINTING OF THE BRICK IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE COMMON AND IT CAN BE DONE IN A WAY THAT THAT DOESN'T DAMAGE THE BRICK.
SO IT'S NOT INHERENTLY WRONG, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE TOLD 'EM IN THE OTHER DEALERSHIP.
AND I LIKE THE CONTINUITY THAT EXISTS.
HEY REBECCA, REAL QUICK ON THIS.
OH YES, MR. I JUST WANNA, SURE.
AND THIS IS, I'M I GONNA ASK YOU THIS.
SO I THINK THE, THE VOLVO WAS NOT IN ONE OF THESE SUBSECTIONS THOUGH.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE TALKING APPLES TO APPLES.
REALLY? YEAH, WE HAVE CROWN, THAT'S A THREE BUILDING CAMPUS AND WE HAVE MAG THAT'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE CAMPUS COVERED BY DIFFERENT AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, CORRECT.
SO THAT'S, I WANNA BE CLEAR, IS THAT, SO WHEN WE HAD, I KNOW WE HAD THAT PREVIOUS ONE, BUT HERE WHEN THE SUB, THE PROPOSED SUBSECTION NEXT TO IT FOR THE EUROCAR WAS ALLOWED ALTERATIONS.
MY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPARING APPLE BECAUSE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING GARY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE YEAH, I'M HAVING JENNY ALSO BRING UP THE STREET VIEW, RIGHT.
SO THAT WE CAN SEE THAT SUB AREA ONE AND WHAT WAS DONE THERE.
AND, AND MY ISSUE, JASON, JUST TO ELABORATE IS AN ARCHITECTURAL ISSUE.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY CAN WORK OUT HOW THAT IMPACTS THE, THE ZONING TEXT AND ALL THAT.
IT'LL COME, IT'LL COME BACK TO US.
SO, UM, OH, THE ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADD, REMIND ME, I, THE WOOD ASPECT, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT, UH, IT COULD BE SOMEHOW INCORPORATED.
I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED LIKE, LIKE A METAL POTENTIALLY OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF MATERIAL, NOT NECESSARILY A VINYL, THAT, THAT MAY BE MORE, UH, APPROPRIATE FOR THAT AREA.
BUT BEYOND THAT, I'M, I'M GOOD.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GOT THAT CLEARED UP.
IF YOU COULD PROCEED, WHAT DIRECTION AM I FACING RIGHT NOW? SO CALWELL, I CAN SEE THE ROOFS.
SO HERE YOU CAN SEE THE COLOR PALETTE AND THE INCORPORATION OF THE, THE GRAY AND THE BLACK WITH THE BRICK STILL REMAINING.
NOW THEY DIDN'T ASK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
THEY DIDN'T ASK TO CHANGE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND THE CITY DIDN'T SAY, HEY, NO, JUST DO THE FRONT.
THEY ONLY ASKED FOR THE FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING TO BE REFRESHED.
UM, I, I, AGAIN, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE REZONING, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT AGAIN, I'M STILL STUCK ON THE PAINTING IT AND, AND NOW JUST LOOKING AT THAT COMPARISON WITH THE OTHER BUILDING, KEEPING THE BRICK, IT STILL CREATES A CONTEMPORARY NEW IMAGE FOR THE BUILDING.
BUT DO, AND AGAIN, IT KEEPS SOMETHING THAT'S CONSISTENT TO THE CAMPUS AND I THINK, UM, I MAYBE THE APPLICANT COMES BACK TO US AND, AND MAYBE SHOWS US, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY DIDN'T PAINT IT, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE VERSUS IF THEY PAINT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE PAINTING OF IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THAT REALLY IS GONNA MAKE IT MORE THE MORE CONTEMPORARY FRESH IMAGE OR IF THEY CAN ACHIEVE THAT WITH MAINTAINING THE BRICK AS IT IS.
IT'S HARD, IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT UNLESS YOU VISUALLY YOU, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THAT IMAGE THAT WAS JUST PUT UP AND I SEE A VERY CONTEMPORARY BUILDING IN THAT WITHOUT PAINTING THE BRICK.
SO, UM, I GUESS I AM, I WOULD LIKE SOME MORE, I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE SOME, SOME, UH, MAYBE SOME OPTIONS WITH THAT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YOU'D LIKE THE APPLICANT? YES.
TO PROVIDE SOME OPTIONS WHEN WE SEE THIS AGAIN? YEAH.
AND I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTS THAT YOU WANT A FRESH LOOK, YOU WANT A CUSTOM LOOK AND YOU WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW WHAT YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THE CARS AND SO FORTH.
I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT BY UM, BRINGING IN MATERIALS OF THE BLACK ACCENTS.
I AM ALSO HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE IDEA OF PAINTING THE BRICK, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING DRIVING BY THERE.
I JUST FELT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THE SIGN PART OF IT, THAT CONSISTENCY AND SO FORTH.
I FELT LIKE THAT PART OF THE BUILDING SHOULD PROBABLY STAY THE SAME AS WELL TOO.
UM, THEN ALSO, UM, IF IT DOES, AND EVEN WITH THE COLORS THAT YOU'RE CHOOSING, THAT UM, YOU COME BACK AND GIVE US DISTINCT COLORS ON IT, THAT WE SEE THEM, WE SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE TOO.
'CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT VARIANCES OF THE COLORS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING TOWARDS US.
UH, AND THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT TOO.
AND I, I DO LIKE THE WHAT WOOD LOOK, BUT MAKE SURE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE A PRODUCT THAT STAYS THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE.
UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AROUND OTHER PLACES, SOMETIMES THEY'VE RUN INTO PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
SO, AND I, I LIKE THE IDEA ON THE CEILING.
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IT INSIDE.I WANT, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF CONNECTING THE GARAGE DOORS.
'CAUSE YOU DO SEE THOSE, AT LEAST THE ONE IN FRONT AND THERE'S ONE TO THE SIDE, BUT YOU KNOW, AND THE LANDSCAPING'S GOING TO MATTER 'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE USING WHAT THEY USED BEFORE.
THEY, THEY PROP A CAR ON TOP OF A HILL.
ARE, ARE YOU STILL GOING TO NEED THAT OR NOT? OR IS THAT GONNA BE USED IN A DIFFERENT WAY? SO I APPRECIATE, UM, YOU BEING HERE AND UM, AND THINKING OF THESE IDEAS.
SO I I I I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
I I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY NICE JOB UPDATING THE BUILDING.
IT, IT DEFINITELY NEEDS UPDATED.
UM, SO I'M, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF ALL.
I CAN ANSWER YES TO ALL THE QUESTIONS.
HOWEVER,
SO PAINTING IT BLACK TO ME JUST MAKES IT EVEN STAND OUT MORE THAN IT NEEDS TO, MORE THAN IT SHOULD.
AND I THINK YOU CAN DO A LOT OF REALLY GREAT THINGS.
I MEAN, JUST THIS FRONT ELEVATION ALONE LOOKS GREAT.
IT UPDATES THE BUILDING AND I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO, UM, PAINT, PAINT THE BRICK.
BUT THAT'S BEEN SAID SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT AGAIN.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I THINK I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
I THINK IT'S A NICE UPDATE TO THE, UH, TO THE BUILDING.
UM, AND WE CANNOT USE THE VINYL WOOD, SO I'LL MOVE ON FROM THAT.
UH, I GREW UP IN A CAR HOUSEHOLD, SO IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD OF A BRAND.
WE GREW UP WITH A LANCIA SCORPION SITTING IN MY GARAGE FOR MY FIRST 18 YEARS OF LIFE.
AND SO THANK YOU FOR THE EDUCATION.
I DID A LOT OF HOMEWORK ON THE COMPANY ITSELF.
UM, I MAY BE IN THE MINORITY HERE, BUT I DON'T MIND THE PAINTED BRICK.
IT'S NOT THE PAINTING OF THE BRICK THAT KIND OF CAUSES PAUSE.
IT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE WANT TO UNPAINT IT.
SO IT'S KIND OF A COVER NOW OR COVER LATER.
I, I DON'T, MAYBE IN THE MINORITY, BUT I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM.
UH, THIS IS THE SECOND OF THREE.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, NUMBER SEVEN OF 14 AND WE WERE DEVIATING FROM SOMETHING NUMBER ONE ALREADY CHANGED A SIGNIFICANT PORTION AND CHANGED THEIR COLOR SCHEME ON THE FRONT.
AND WE, WE SEE A LOT OF APPLICATIONS.
IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT SOMEONE SAYS, WELL YOU KNOW, TELL ME WHERE ELSE I CAN SPEND MONEY.
UH, IT'S USUALLY, YOU KNOW, HEY THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THE BUDGET CALLS FOR, THIS IS WHAT I WANNA DO.
UH, BUT WE COULD WITH THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT TEXT, PUT IN PLACE A LIMITATION ON COLOR JUST LIKE WE DID IN MAG, HOW MANY COLORS CAN BE USED, WHICH THEN COULD ADDRESS PROPERTY NUMBER THREE.
AND THEN SHOULD PROPERTY NUMBER ONE COME BACK IN, THEN THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AGAIN, UH, I THINK THAT THERE'S ALSO OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE SIGNS.
YOU MAY MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW.
THAT SIGN MAY COME BACK AND IT MAY LOOK DIFFERENT.
IT MAY NOT HAVE THE BRICK, IT MAY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.
ALL OF THE QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER SUPPORTIVELY.
UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH STAFF.
WE HAVE A HISTORY FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF NOT APPROVING CERTAIN MATERIALS THAT FALL INTO THAT WOULD LIKE CLASSIFICATION.
THEY KNOW OUR VOTING RECORD, THEY KNOW THOSE APPLICATIONS, THEY KNOW THE MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN BEFORE US.
WE'VE ALSO HIRED A CONSULTANT IN THE LAST, WHAT, THREE YEARS WHO LOOKS AT MATERIALS WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE.
UH, STAFF WILL ALREADY PROVIDE THE ADDRESS OF THE DEALERSHIP YOU MENTIONED WITH THE PAINTED BRICKS BRICK OVER AT MORSE.
AND SO WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS A COMMISSION TO DRIVE OVER BETWEEN THIS APPLICATION AND WHEN WE SEE THIS APPLICATION, AGAIN TO LOOK AT HOW THAT'S STANDING UP.
THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN THERE A YEAR GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE OPPORTUNITY.
UM, SOUNDS LIKE I HAVE ONE MORE.
I JUST WANT TO PUT AN EXCLAMATION POINT ON WHAT I'M HEARING SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS SAY IS THIS IS A CAMPUS, WHAT IS IT THAT WE COULD DO IN THIS PROJECT THAT WOULD MAKE IT FEEL LIKE AS PART OF THE CAMPUS WITHOUT TRYING TO DESIGN IT OR ANYTHING? I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT MEANS NOT PAINTING THE BRICK OR PAINTING THE BRICK, BUT JUST AS YOU DEVELOP THIS APPLICATION FURTHER, THINK ABOUT THAT AND COME BACK WITH A STORY ABOUT THIS BUILDING BEING PART OF A CAMPUS.
AND THAT WOULD MAKE ME, WHETHER IT'S PAINTED IT OR NOT, WOULD HELP ME, UH, MAKE A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UH, WITH THAT, THIS IS INFORMAL SO THERE'S NO ACTION TAKEN THIS EVENING, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE NOT CLEAR ON FROM THE COMMISSION? ALRIGHT.
WE CERTAINLY THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE EDUCATION ON THE, THE BRAND.
UM, WE ARE AT ABOUT TWO HOURS, SO IF IT'S UM, OKAY WITH
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THE COMMISSION, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE JUST BIO BREAK, ALLOW EVERYONE TO STEP OUT AND WE WILL SEE YOU BACK IN FIVE MINUTES.THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND WE WILL CONTINUE ON WITH THE MEETING.
[Case #24-107Z ]
WE WILL PROCEED WITH OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, CASE 24 DASH 1 0 7 Z.THIS IS A REQUEST AND FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR THE REZONING OF AN APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A HALF ACRE SITE FROM OUR ONE RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO SO SUBURBAN OFFICE AND INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT.
THE SITE IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SUMMIT VIEW ROAD AND SAWMILL ROAD IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT.
WE WELCOME YOU UP TO THE MICROPHONE FOR CASE PRESENTATION YOUR MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON.
I'M, UH, THE PRINCIPAL OF THE APPLICANT, UH, RE INVESTMENTS.
UH, THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF SUMMIT V ROAD AND SAWMILL ROAD.
IT IS A CORRIDOR INTO DUBLIN FROM COLUMBUS.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY OWNED TOGETHER, AND THEY WILL BE SUBSEQUENTLY SOLD TOGETHER.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT BY, UH, MY COMPANY IN 2017, I BELIEVE, UH, IN 2018 OR AROUND THAT DATE, THE CORNER LOT.
UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR ZONING CHANGE AND IT WAS GRANTED BY THIS COMMISSION.
IT WAS GRANTED BY THIS COMMISSION.
THE SO DESIGNATION WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY, UH, PLAN, UH, WHICH, UH, HAD A RECOMMENDATION OF.
SO, UH, JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, I BELIEVE, UH, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL CHANGED THAT TO A SISTER DESIGNATION, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, AS A RECOMMENDATION, UH, A LIGHT COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WHAT WE SEEK RIGHT NOW IS TO HAVE THE HOUSE LOT.
THE SECOND LOT CHANGED TO O AS WELL.
UH, ALL THE ARGUMENTS WE MADE, UH, SEVEN YEARS AGO APPLY RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS A CORRIDOR INTO DUBLIN, UH, THE CITY AND ITS WISDOM.
UH, AND THIS COMMISSION AND ITS WISDOM HAS DETERMINED VIA THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE MASTER PLAN THAT PERHAPS THIS AREA WOULD BE BETTER SERVED, UH, IN THE FUTURE WITH A DIFFERENT ZONE, UH, WITH PERHAPS DIFFERENT USAGE.
UH, AND WHAT WE REQUEST IS ABSOLUTELY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS DETERMINED AND THIS COMMISSION HAS DETERMINED.
UH, WITH THAT STATED, WE DON'T PLAN TO DEVELOP ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE PLAN TO SELL, UH, THE TWO LOTS TOGETHER.
UM, JUST, ALTHOUGH, I DUNNO IF IT'S IMPORTANT, UH, OR RELEVANT, BUT THERE IS A LOI IN PLACE, UH, FOR A DAYCARE POSSIBLY.
SO NOTHING, UH, NOTHING, UH, THAT REALLY, UH, SHOULD APPLY RIGHT NOW.
UH, BUT THERE, THERE, THERE IS AN LOI IN PLACE FOR A DAYCARE.
UH, IT WOULD BE A NATIONAL DAYCARE, I BELIEVE, UM, THAT STATED, UH, ONCE AGAIN, UH, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN HERE TODAY THAT STATED, DUBLIN MAKES A PLAN AND STICKS WITH IT.
UH, SO I MA JUST ASKING THIS COMMISSION TO DO THAT.
UH, IT'S BEEN SLIGHTLY CHANGED, BUT, UH, I ASK THIS COMMISSION TO STICK WITH IT.
AND THE SECOND LOT, WHICH IS R ONE, RIGHT NOW, WE ASK THAT BE THAT IT BE CHANGED TO.
WITH THAT, WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO MR. HOUNSELL FOR OUR STAFF PRESENTATION.
UH, SO THIS IS A STANDARD DISTRICT REZONING PROCESS.
UH, THIS IS NOT A COMMON PROCESS THAT WE HAVE AS MUCH ANYMORE, AS MOST EVERYTHING YOU SEE IS IN A PLANNED DISTRICT.
UH, SO FOR A STANDARD DISTRICT REZONING, UH, THE SCOPE OF IT'S PRETTY LIMITED.
UH, WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS WE'RE LOOKING TO ALIGN PROPERTY IN THE ZONING DISTRICTS WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
UM, SO WHAT WE WOULD USE FOR THAT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
AND THAT'S LARGELY THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
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YOU ALSO WOULD VIEW THE MULTIMODAL THOROUGHFARE PLAN, BUT THAT REALLY HAS NO IMPACTS ON THIS PROPERTY AS, UH, ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE.SO THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL TONIGHT TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, WHO MAKE THE, THE FINAL DETERMINATION FOR THIS CASE.
UH, SO I WON'T REHASH THIS TOO MUCH, BUT THERE ARE THE TWO PROPERTIES.
UH, THE ONE AT THE INTERSECTION WAS REZONED, SO BACK IN 2018.
UH, SO THAT WAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY, BY PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN ULTIMATELY ACCEPTED BY, UH, CITY COUNCIL LATER ON.
SO, AS STATED, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN WAS UPDATED LAST YEAR WITH THE, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE WITH THIS, UH, THE, THIS AREA SWITCHED FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL TO A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT WOULD BE ALL OF THE, THE TAN SLASH BROWN AREA.
UM, GENERALLY THOUGH, THE INTENT OF IT IS STILL PRETTY SIMILAR, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS ALONG SAWMILL ROAD, SO MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE INTENT STATEMENT IS LOOKING FOR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES LOCATED NEAR EXISTING IN FUTURE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE WALKABLE, AUTO ORIENTED OR AUTO ACCESSIBLE AND SCALED TO NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THE INTENDED USES, UH, THAT ARE TARGETED WITHIN THIS DISTRICT, UH, ARE OFFICE PERSONAL SERVICES, COMMERCIAL, RETAIL, EATING AND DRINKING AT A, AT A RESIDENTIAL SCALE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, UH, WITH SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS SUPPORTING INTENDED USES.
SO THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO REZONE THE HOUSE PARCEL TO.
SO, UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE HOUSE CAN MAINTAIN AND CAN STILL BE OPERATED EVEN AS THE ZONING CHANGES.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST IN THE FUTURE WHEN THIS DOES REDEVELOP, IT WOULD HAVE TO ALIGN WITH THE WHATEVER THE CURRENT ZONING IS, UH, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS BEING REQUESTED, SUBURBAN OFFICE AND INSTITUTIONAL.
SO THE PERMITTED USES ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THIS.
UM, IT SHOULD BE KNOWN, BECAUSE THIS IS A STANDARD DISTRICT, ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME TO PLAYING IN ZONING COMMISSION.
AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, IT WOULD GO STRAIGHT THROUGH TO BUILDING PERMITTING.
SO WITH THAT, UH, THERE ARE TWO CRITERIA BASED AROUND THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, BOTH OF WHICH CRITERIA ARE MET, AND SAP IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL WITH NO CONDITIONS.
I'LL JUST ASK THE COMMISSION IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
UM, ZACH, JUST, YOU MENTIONED THE RESIDENTIAL SCALE.
JUST TO UNDERSTAND, ARE YOU, IS THERE ANY IMPLICATION THAT BY COMBINING TWO LOTS, THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT MAY BE BEYOND THAT SCALE? OR IS THAT NOT WHAT YOU, THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT FOR ANY PROPERTY WITHIN THAT DISTRICT.
UM, AND THAT IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION AND, AND A GUIDANCE FOR FUTURE GOTCHA DEVELOPMENT.
UM, ANY TRAFFIC CONCERNS ON THE CITY SIDE? NOT AT THIS POINT.
AND THEN ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENCES? WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING.
OTHER QUESTIONS, MS. HARDER HAS THE APPLICANT, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO REACH OUT TO, UM, THE NEIGHBORS? YES.
CI GUESS I'M ASKING YOU, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY MADE AN OFFER, UH,
MY, UH, UM, REALTOR DID SPEAK TO ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO MADE AN EMAIL OFFER, WHICH WE DID NOT.
THERE, THERE, THERE WAS ANOTHER OFFER WHICH WE DID NOT ACCEPT.
UH, AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, WE WERE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT ADDRESSES OF SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, AND THEY DID HAVE NOTICE AND THERE IS A SIGN.
SO, UM, UH, THERE IS A SIGN FOR SALE SIGN, BIG ONE.
SO CERTAINLY NEIGHBORS, UH, HAVE NOTICE.
DID YOU HEAR ANYTHING FROM THE, UH, CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET OR WE HAVE NOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR EITHER STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
MS. ROUSH, DID WE RECEIVE ANY VIRTUALLY? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS ONE IS A VOTING ONE, SO IF YOU WERE NOT SWORN IN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
AND ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THIS IS A REZONING, THERE'S NO NEED TO SWEAR IN.
UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I LIVE AT 38 40 SUMMIT VIEW, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY WEST OF THE PROPERTY.
I WONDER IF ANY OF YOU EVEN KNOW WHERE
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THE PROPERTY IS.IF I STOOD IN THE MIDDLE OF SAWMILL ROAD AT SUMMIT VIEW, I COULD LOOK ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN THE STREET AND NOT SEE ANYTHING BUT HOUSES OR APARTMENTS, EVEN COLUMBUS ON THE COLUMBUS SIDE, WHICH ZONES ANYTHING HAS NO COMMERCIAL WITHIN SIX TENTHS OF A MILE OF THIS PROPERTY.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE Y'ALL CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN TO DEVELOP THIS WHOLE CORNER, WHICH I THINK ACCORDING TO THE PLAN, MY PROPERTY IS INCLUDED IN THAT.
BUT AS THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS HERE EARLIER, WE ALL MOVED IN THERE AT R ONE.
I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 78, AND FRANKLY, UM, I DON'T SEE WHY, WHY YOU WANT TO PUT COMMERCIAL UP THERE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A GATEWAY TO DUBLIN, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST THING YOU WANNA SEE COMING OFF OF SAWMILL ROAD.
I DON'T GET IT UNLESS THE GREEN PART OF DUBLIN IS NOT THE GREEN THAT YOU SEE IN AN EMPTY, EMPTY LOT.
SEVEN YEARS AGO, HE NEVER BUILT ANYTHING, BUT NOW IT'S LISTED WITH A REALTOR WHO COULD BUILD PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER HE WANTS.
AND ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IF MY PROPERTY IS INCLUDED IN THAT AREA, WHICH I THINK IT IS IN THE TAN PART, IT SAYS NEW DEVELOPMENT PLANS WILL ONLY BE CONSIDERED FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE EITHER ALREADY ADJACENT TO OR PART OF ANOTHER NEW DEVELOPMENT, OR WHEN A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL INCLUDES ALL OF THE EXISTING EFFECTIVE, EFFECTIVE PROPERTIES.
SO IF MY PROPERTY IS INCLUDED IN THAT AREA, WHY AREN'T, WHY ISN'T ALL OF IT GONNA BE CHANGED AT ONCE? I JUST DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU THINK YOU NEED TO PUT COMMERCIAL EVERYWHERE.
AND, AND JUST TO, WE DON'T TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, SPEAK TO EVERYTHING, BUT I DO WANT TO TAKE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE ONE QUESTION ON THE LANGUAGE WITH REZONING, WITH FUTURE LAND DEVELOPMENT, WITH THOSE COMMUNITY PLANS THAT ARE ADOPTED FOR 10 YEARS AT A TIME.
SO MS. ROUSH, MR. HESHEL, DO EITHER OF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE, THE STATEMENT ABOUT ALL OF THE PROPERTIES BEING DEVELOPED AT ONCE? SURE.
UM, SO THE, AND I'LL PULL THIS SLIDE UP SINCE IT WAS REFERENCED AS WELL.
UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD LABEL THIS PLAN AS MORE OF A TARGET FOR THE FUTURE.
THIS IS NOT AN IMMEDIATE PLAN, UM, BUT THIS IS TO BE CONSIDERED ANYTIME A DEV A PROPERTY WANTS TO DEVELOP OR UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY CAN DO IN THE FUTURE WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, THIS IS NOT TO SUGGEST THAT THE ENTIRE AREA IS TO REZONE AT ONCE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SECTION THAT YOU WERE PULLING FROM.
UM, BUT IT'S, MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS THAT THAT'S FOR A AREA WIDE REZONING.
UH, WHEREAS THIS IS A SINGLE SITE REZONING.
I, I KNOW WHEN A, WHEN AN AREA IS REZONED, ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT, I DON'T KNOW THE, THE BOUNDS OR THE LANGUAGE ON THAT, JENNY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA PULL THAT UP OR, OR THA YOU WANNA PULL THAT UP.
UM, BUT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT AREA, REZONING HAVE TO BE ENGAGED AND, UM, A PART OF THAT PROCESS.
WHEREAS THIS IS A SINGLE PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE REALLY JUST LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY, WHAT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THAT? UM, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THE REZONING HAS TO ALIGN WITH WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOR THIS SITE.
UM, SO WE CANNOT FORCE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES TO REZONE, UH, THAT IS AT A PROPERTY OWNER'S DISCRETION ON WHEN THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO SO.
AND THAT SPEAKS TO YOUR EARLIER COMMENT ABOUT THE HOME STILL BEING ABLE TO OPERATE AS A HOME, EVEN THOUGH THE ZONING CHANGES.
UM, AND, AND THE INTENT AS WELL WITH THAT IS THAT WE'RE MAKING, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT IS SENSITIVE TO THE CONTEXT IN WHICH IT'S LOCATED WITHIN, UM, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THAT MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, DESIGNATION.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT'S GONNA BE AN ALL OUT COMMERCIAL SITE THAT'S JUST LAYING THE PARAMETERS THAT SOMEBODY CAN SHOOT WITHIN AND SAY, WE, WE WANT TO BRING FORWARD AN SO DISTRICT.
WE FEEL THAT THIS FITS WITHIN THE INTENDED USES OF OFFICE PERSONAL SERVICE AND ALL OF THESE THINGS.
SO WE'RE FURTHERING THE VISION OF THE CITY HERE.
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BEHIND THIS AND, AND WHAT THAT STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT IS LOOKING AT ON AN INDIVIDUAL SITE BASIS.MR. HEEL, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COULD YOU CLARIFY AGAIN, YOU GAVE US THE LIST OF, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THINGS THAT COULD COME INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO COME BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, FOR THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? IF THEY MEET THE PERMITT USES AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED TO GO STREETS BUILDING STANDARDS.
UM, IN THE EVENT, LET'S SAY A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD IS NOT MET, UH, THAT IS WHEN THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS WOULD BE INVOLVED AND THAT WOULD BE A VARIANCE.
SO THAT'S NOT A PROCESS THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE PLAYING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AND JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT TOO, THE FRONT LOT IS ALREADY ZONED THAT.
SO TODAY, TODAY, ANY ONE OF THESE THINGS COULD COME IN AND THEN THAT WOULD, UM, GO AS IS CORRECT.
ALRIGHT, ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE ENTER DELIBERATION? NO QUESTION.
UH, UH, IF YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I LIVE AT 38 40 SOME VIEW ROAD AS WELL.
SO HE MENTIONED THAT ALL THE NEIGHBORS HAD HEARD ABOUT IT.
I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE CHURCH PASTOR AND HEAD TRUSTEE.
AND THE NEIGHBOR IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH HAS NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING IN THE MAIL EITHER.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
ALSO, WE'RE ALSO STILL ON SEPTIC TANKS UP THERE.
HOW IS ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY GONNA GET A DAYCARE THAT CAN HANDLE A SEPTIC TANK THAT ALSO HAS A LEACH FIELD IN IT? BECAUSE A CORNER, THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE COMMERCIAL LOT CLOSER TO SMALL ROAD IS ALL WETLANDS.
BECAUSE I GOT IN TROUBLE YEARS AGO FOR NOT MOWING.
THE ZONING GUY CAME OUT AND LOOKED AT, GOES, THAT'S A WETLANDS.
ANYWAY, SO I, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PUT A SEPTIC TANK WITH A LEACH BED OR WHATEVER ELSE THEY NEED TO DO? THERE'S NOTHING THAT 1.7 ACRES CAN HANDLE.
AND THE FACT THAT HE CAN NOW BUILD ANYTHING THEY WANT WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS, THAT'S, THAT'S A SLAP IN OUR FACE.
WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 78 NEIGHBOR TO OUR, OH, SORRY.
THE NEIGHBORS TO OUR WEST HAS BEEN THERE LONGER THAN WE HAVE.
MY, THE SECOND ONE TO THE NORTH.
I THINK SHE JUST SAID SHE SEPARATED HER 18TH YEAR THERE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STANDARDS, TALKING ABOUT THINGS STAYING THE SAME.
YEAH, WE KNOW IT'S GONNA CHANGE.
THEY HAD A WHOLE PLAN TO CHANGE ALL THIS, WHAT WAS IT, 12 YEARS AGO, 10 YEARS AGO, IT ALL GOT SHUT DOWN BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MEET THE STANDARDS.
WHY ARE THE NEIGHBORS GETTING GET SHUT OUT THE GET SHUT OUT OF ANY P SAY AFTER TONIGHT'S VOTE? ONE FLOOR RESIDENCE, ONE FLOOR, SMALL OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHAT HE WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A SMALL ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN.
YOU HAD A DAYCARE WITH A COUPLE HUNDRED CARS COMING AND GOING IN THE MORNING AND THE AFTERNOON.
I DARE ANY ONE OF YOU TO SIT THERE AT THAT STOPLIGHT AND WATCH WHAT HAPPENS EVERY DAY WITH ALL THE CAR ACCIDENTS THAT SOME OF YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT, SOME ROAD DOESN'T NEED THAT MUCH MORE TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW.
AND HE CAN'T GET ANY OTHER CURB CUTS.
CITY OF COLUMBUS ALREADY TURNED DOWN FOR A CURB CUT.
CITY OF DEVIN TURNED DOWN FOR A SECOND CURB CUT.
IT JUST CAN'T HANDLE COMMERCIAL ON THAT SMALL OF A PIECE.
AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GONNA ELIMINATE THE NEIGHBORS FROM HAVING ANY SAY ON FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S A SLAP ON ALL THE NEIGHBORS FACES WHO'VE BEEN THERE FOR, WELL, 45, 50, 60 YEARS.
AND THE ONE WHO BOUGHT IT THREE YEARS AGO.
I, I JUST, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NO SAY AFTER TONIGHT.
UH, AND, AND JUST TO ADDRESS THE, SO THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT COMMUNITY PLAN IS A PUBLIC PROCESS.
IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS.
IT DOES ADDRESS THE ENTIRE CITY.
SO, UH, THERE IS SOME DIFFICULTY IN, IN ADDRESSING THE ENTIRE CITY, BUT IT'S PUBLIC NOTICE.
IT'S PUT ON THE WEBSITE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, HANDLED IN A MYRIAD OF WAYS.
ZACH, CAN YOU ADDRESS, OR THAD, CAN YOU ADDRESS, UH, OHIO STATE REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC NOTICING ON PUBLIC MEETINGS? WHAT THE, THE DISTANCE IS AND WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITY IS OR ISN'T AS FAR AS TYPE OF NOTICING, CONFIRMATION OF NOTICING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA? WELL, SO THERE'S, I THINK THAT THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS THERE.
ONE OF THEM IS OPEN MEETINGS LAW, UH, WHICH IS SET AT THE STATE LEVEL PRIMARILY.
AND SO A MEETING LIKE THIS ONE, IT'S A REGULAR MEETING.
THERE'S A PRE, UH, DETERMINED SCHEDULE THAT'S PUBLISHED.
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UM, IN TERMS OF A ZONING APPLICATION, OUR APPLICATION PROCESS REQUIRES THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A LIST OF EVERY PROPERTY OWNER TAKEN FROM THE FRANKLIN COUNTY AUDITOR'S, UH, PROXIMITY REPORT WITHIN 300 FEET OF THAT PARCEL THAT IS BEING ASKED TO BE REZONED, AT WHICH TIME THAT, UH, NOTICE OF THAT APPLICATION IS MAILED.SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS IN KEEPING WITH BOTH STATE AND LOCAL LAW.
AND MAYBE TO ADD ONTO THAT, WE ALSO, UH, WEATHER DEPENDENT, 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN A LITTLE COLD, UM, BUT HAVE PUT, WE DO PUT SIGNS OUT THERE AS WELL.
SO THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALSO TRY TO, UM, MAKE SURE THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD POINT AT, BUT IF THE WEATHER'S COLD, IT'S HARD TO PUT THAT IN THE GROUND.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD NOTE IS THAT FOR A REZONING LIKE THIS, THIS COMMISSION IS A RECOMMENDING ENTITY.
SO THIS APPLICATION, UM, WHETHER THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OR DENIAL WILL GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, UM, AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING OF CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEY MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON ALL REZONINGS, IF I MIGHT TOO.
UM, TO ANSWER THE POINT ABOUT ACCESS, STORM WATER, UM, ALL, YOU KNOW, UTILITIES, ALL THOSE THINGS, WHEN WE'RE SAYING IT DOESN'T COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THOSE REQUIREMENTS DON'T HAVE TO BE MET.
SO YES, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THOSE PARCELS TO DEVELOP.
SO, WHICH IS AGAIN, A LOT OF TIMES WHY DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T OCCUR BECAUSE IT'S NOT WITHIN THE PROXIMITY OR IT'S TOO COSTLY OR WHATEVER THE REASON MIGHT BE.
SO THAT WOULD BE HANDLED AS PART OF THAT BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW.
SO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT THEN ORDER OF, I MEAN, STILL PUBLIC, YOU THE CHAIR IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
IT'S, IT'S WITHIN THE COMMISSION'S PURVIEW TO HEAR MORE.
I WILL LOOK TO THE COMMISSION.
I WON'T MAKE THIS DECISION ARBITRARILY.
SO THESE ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED IN 2018 BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, AND THEN IT WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE CORNER LOT.
ALL OF THIS WAS CONSIDERED LAST TIME.
I BELIEVE THE NEIGHBOR DID HAVE THEIR SAY LAST TIME AS WELL.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE UTILITIES, PUBLIC UTILITIES, THE CORNER LOT WAS APPROVED, UH, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WHEN THE CITY MAKES SEWER AVAILABLE TO THEN, FRANKLY, WE WISH IT WAS ALREADY DONE.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN 2021 WHEN WE, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN 2021 WHEN WE APPLIED IN, UH, THAT WAS A TARGET DATE FOR THE UTILITIES.
AT THAT TIME, IT WAS APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION WITH THE CAVEAT THAT ONCE THE SEWER IS AVAILABLE, ONCE THE WATER IS AVAILABLE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO TIE INTO IT.
SO THESE ISSUES WERE CONSIDERED LAST TIME.
UH, AND, UH, SO IT, IT, WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THEY JUST STATED, UH, IT IS NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE THAT YOU CANNOT BUILD ON A LEACH FIELD.
IT WAS CONSIDERED LAST TIME, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST TIME.
UH, AND AT THAT TIME WE DID HAVE, UH, ARCHITECT, UH, AND THE CODE WAS REVIEWED.
YOU CAN BUILD A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WITHOUT PUBLIC UTILITIES.
IT WAS APPROVED WITH THE CAVEAT THAT, UH, WHEN IT BECOMES AVAILABLE, UH, WE WOULD TIE INTO IT.
MR. HEL, COULD I HAVE YOU PUT UP THE, UM, THE, THE VERY LAST SLIDE FROM THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, THE, THE ITEM UNDER CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR REZONING.
SO WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING THE, THE PUBLIC UTILITIES, WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THOSE OTHER ITEMS THIS EVENING.
IT IS SOLELY THE, UM, RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR REZONING OF THE PROPERTY WITH CONSIDERATION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE, THE, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, ET CETERA.
SO WITH THAT, UH, NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, JENNY, FROM VIRTUAL.
OKAY, I WILL MOVE ON TO THE COMMISSION DELIBERATION.
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AND TURN.SO, MR. GARVIN, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? SURE.
MY THOUGHT IS THAT, UM, GIVEN THE INTENT OF FUTURE USE AND GIVEN THE ZONING OF THE CURRENT CORNER LOT, UH, THAT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF REZONING THIS LOT AS WELL.
MR. DESLER, I HAVE THE SAME COMMENTS AS DAN.
AND I THINK THERE ARE PROTECTIONS IN TERMS OF BUFFERING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, SO THAT THE IMPACT ON OF THIS, WHICH IS RELATIVELY MINOR IN TERMS OF THE INTENSITY OF USE, WILL HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE HOMES.
MR. WAY, UM, THE ROLE OF THIS COMMISSION IS TO UPHOLD THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY.
SO I THINK THIS REZONING REQUEST FITS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, AND I SUPPORT IT.
I FEEL THAT, UM, I KNOW WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UH, DISCUSSING AREAS SUCH AS THIS, BUT, UM, THESE ARE THE LITTLE, UM, POCKETS THAT REALLY NEED TO BE REVISITED, UM, THROUGHOUT, UM, THE, THE SERIES OF, OF APPLICATIONS THAT HAPPEN.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. CHINOOK? I'M GENERALLY, I AM GENERALLY IN FAVOR AS WELL.
UM, I, I THINK THAT IT OFFERS A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY AND I THINK TO THE POINT MADE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS INHERENT, AND IT'S NOT A, THIS CHANGE ISN'T GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO PUT WHATEVER THE QUOTE, WHATEVER THEY WANNA BUILD.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF STILL, UM, RESTRICTIONS THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS THAT WILL MAKE THIS A, A REALLY NICE, UH, PIECE OF PROPERTY AT SOME POINT.
UH, I ALSO AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE REZONE, UH, THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS JUST ADOPTED IN, UH, I THINK IT WENT INTO EFFECT IN AUGUST.
UH, SO WE, WE ARE FRESH OFF OF RELOOKING AT THIS, ON A CASE BY CASE, MR. WAY, AND I SERVED ON THAT, THAT COMMISSION.
AND MR. ALEXANDER WERE IN, UH, WEARING A DIFFERENT HAT AT THAT TIME.
UM, IT WAS A 24 MONTH PROCESS.
WE HEARD FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WE HEARD FROM THE SCHOOLS, WE HEARD FROM BUSINESS PARTNERS, WE HEARD FROM LOTS OF RESIDENTS.
AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS CONSIDERED ON THE ENTIRE CITY WHAT WE WANTED.
AND THAT'S THE PART OF THE PLANNING, PART OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, IS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE COMMENTS FROM THE STEERING COMMITTEE WAS, YOU CAN'T DO NOTHING AND STAY THE SAME.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDERED TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
AND SO WITH THAT, I AM ALSO SUPPORTIVE.
THIS ITEM DOES HAVE, UH, A VOTING ACTION.
SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UM, FOR, WELL, I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION WHOMEVER STEPS FORWARD.
I, I RECOMMEND, UM, APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE REZONING TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UH, MS. MAXWELL, MS. HARDER? NO.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING.
THIS AGAIN GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMISSION WITH THE CHALLENGE THAT WE LOOK AT THE MATERIAL AS PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL.
SO WE DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH STAFF AND THE PUBLIC NOTICE THAT MR. BOGGS WENT OVER APPLIES ALSO FOR THE NEXT STAGE IN THE PROCESS.
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ALRIGHT.WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR LAST CASE OF THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
THIS IS CASE 24 DASH 1 54 CP, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF A NEW MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THE APPROXIMATELY FOUR AND A HALF ACRE SITE IS ZONED BSD SCNS IOTA RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST DUBLIN GRANDVILLE ROAD AND RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
UH, RUSSELL HUNTER, 66 40 RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
UM, THIS IS ONE THAT, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, UM, SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THIS BLOCK.
AND WE'RE VERY, VERY EXCITED TO, TO BE ABLE TO RESTART THE CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, THIS BLOCK.
UM, PROBABLY NOT LOST ON ANYBODY.
THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY COMPLEX SITE AND AN INCREDIBLY COMPLEX PROJECT THAT WE ARE BRINGING TO IT.
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SO, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF US.UH, BUT, BUT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT WHERE WE'VE BROUGHT IT THUS FAR.
UM, AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE THINK THE SITE DESERVES IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SORT OF THE, THE, AS YOU'RE COMING ACROSS, UM, 1 61 BRIDGE IN EITHER DIRECTION, IT'S A GATEWAY, RIGHT? AND SO REALLY THINKING THROUGH WHAT THAT MEANS, NOT JUST FOR BRIDGE PARK, BUT NOW IT'S BRIDGE STREET AND IT'S THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
SO, UM, WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT A LONG ROAD AHEAD OF US.
UM, A LOT OF WORK TO DO ON DESIGN, A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH JENNY AND HER TEAM.
A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL THE BALLOON FLIES THAT WE DID, UM, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO TO START TO UNDERSTAND BUILDING HEIGHTS, UH, RELATIVE TO, TO WHAT COULD BE SEEN FROM MARTIN ROAD AND MARTIN COURT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I SAY THAT JUST TO SAY THAT, UM, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE OPEN AND FLEXIBLE.
WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO TALK TO PEOPLE.
UM, IT'S JUST THE FIRST OF SEVERAL MEETINGS.
UM, WITH THAT, I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR DESIGN TEAM.
UH, JEFF GON HERE WITH MK SK IS OUR LANDSCAPE, UM, AND MASTER PLANNER, UM, TO TALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THE SITE CHANGES.
UH, JEFFREY GON MKSK, UH, 4 6 2 LUDLOW ALLEY.
UM, I THINK I'D LIKE TO START, UM, CHRIS WILL, UM, JOIN US HERE IN A MINUTE TO TALK ABOUT THE SORT OF THREE DIMENSIONAL QUALITIES AND THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING.
SO I'D LIKE TO START JUST BY, UM, WAY OF ORIENTATION HERE.
SO I BELIEVE WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE HERE.
WE'RE AT A VERY PROMINENT CORNER AT 1 61 AND RIVERSIDE DRIVE WITH A RETAIL CENTER TO THE EAST AND BRIDGE PARK.
UM, AND THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, THE ROUNDABOUT TO THE NORTH.
UM, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF OBJECTIVES HERE.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO SORT OF INCREMENTALLY GROW UP, UM, THE HILL INTO THAT RETAIL CENTER, UM, AND STILL PRESERVE SOME OF THE WALKABLE QUALITIES THAT WE KNOW OF BRIDGE PARK TODAY.
THE, THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, WE HAVE A STREET GRID, UM, AND, AND SOME CLEAR, UM, CIRCULATION COMPONENTS, UM, IN AND AROUND, UM, THE SITE AS IT'S SHOWN.
SO ON THE MAP, YOU'LL SEE, UH, AN OFFICE BUILDING, UM, TO THE, UM, UPPER RIGHT AND THE, THE PRIMARY BUILDING MASSING DOWN AT THE, AT THE CORNER HERE.
UM, YOU'LL SEE AN EAST WEST DRIVE, OR I'M SORRY, A NORTH, NORTH AND SOUTH DRIVE, UM, THAT FLANK, UM, THE TWO LABELS THAT SAY CONDOS AND EVENT, IF YOU WILL, ALONG THAT EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS MEANT TO BE, UM, SOME OF THE CIRCULATION ON SITE TO GET YOU TO AND FROM THE BUILDING, UM, FOR, UM, FOR VISITORS FOR SERVICE AND WHATNOT.
AND THEN ANOTHER SORT OF PRIMARY DRIVE IN AND OUT OF THE, UM, AUTO COURT THERE, UM, COMING FROM THE RETAIL CENTER FROM THE EAST, UM, INTO THE MAIN KIND OF EGG-SHAPED AUTO COURT, IF YOU WILL, THAT SERVES, UM, THAT ENTIRE, THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HERE IS SOME LANDSCAPE AND SOME SETBACK FROM BOTH 1 61 AND RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
AND SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WRESTLING WITH AS A TEAM, AND WE'LL APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK ON IS WHERE TO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE START AND STOP THAT MORE URBAN, UM, UH, BRIDGE PARK STREET SCAPE, AND WHERE DO WE EASE OFF OF THAT AND HAVE A SOFTER, MORE PARK-LIKE LANDSCAPE AS WE TRANSITION SOUTH ONTO RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
SO YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE, UM, QUESTIONS AS WE, UH, MOVE THROUGH THE CONVERSATION, UM, TODAY.
UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN ENLARGEMENT HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PRIMARY COMPONENTS.
UM, AGAIN, COMING FROM THE EAST AND MOVING WEST, YOU'LL SEE THE AREA THAT WE'VE LABELED TREE GROVE, WHICH IS MEANT TO BE KIND OF A GATEWAY LANDSCAPE FEATURE IN AND OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, UM, A PLACE FOR BOTH PEOPLE AND FOR, UH, UM, A SMALLER, UM, GATEWAY IN AND OUT.
AND THEN THAT SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, QUARTER MOON, IF YOU WILL, UM, PLAZA, UH, FLANKING THE OFFICE BUILDING ON THAT ENTRY DRIVE, UH, INTO THE AUTO COURT.
YOU'LL SEE THE WENDY'S BUILDING ADJACENT.
WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SCREEN OURSELVES FROM THAT, BUT ALSO INTEGRATE THAT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT BEING A PART OF THE STREET GRID.
UM, WE'RE THINKING A LOT ABOUT CIRCULATION AROUND THESE PRIMARY BUILDINGS TOO.
SO YOU'LL SEE A NETWORK OF SIDEWALKS AND CIRCULATION PATHS AROUND THE MAIN BUILDING AS WELL AS A STAIR SET THAT GETS YOU SORT OF UP AND DOWN, UM, TO THAT BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN, UM, TO THE SOUTH, A SERVICE AREA THAT GETS YOU TO, UM, MULTIPLE, UM, SORT OF PARKING AND SERVICE, UM, AREAS THAT CHRIS WILL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT IN THE MASSING.
AND THEN FINALLY HERE, JUST TO SORT OF REITERATE, THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT ZONES OR PLACES OR TYPOLOGIES ON SITE.
UM, IN RED YOU HAVE THAT, UM, SORT
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OF, UM, TRADITIONAL OR TYPICAL BRIDGE PARK, UM, STREET SCAPE TYPOLOGY, WHICH TRANSITIONS INTO THAT GREEN AREA, WHICH IS THE MORE PARK-LIKE, OR RIVERSIDE DRIVE, SOFTER LANDSCAPE AREA.AGAIN, APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHERE TO START AND STOP THAT.
UM, THE YELLOW AREA INDICATES THAT PRIVATE STREETS SCAPE DRIVE THE ACCESS DRIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, WHICH REPRESENTS PLACE FOR AUTOMOBILES TO, UM, CIRCULATE ON SITE, BUT ALSO FOR, UM, SIDEWALK FOR PEDESTRIANS TO GET UP TO THE SITE FROM 1 61.
AND THEN FINALLY, AGAIN, THAT, UM, ENTRY DRIVE INTO, UM, THE STREET, UH, OR, OR INTO THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE RETAIL CENTER, UM, FROM 1 61 AND DALE DRIVE, UM, INTO THE AUTO COURT, WHICH I CAN IMAGINE BEING SORT OF A BLEND OF, UH, LANDSCAPE AND URBAN STREETS, SCAPE TYPOLOGIES, THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT BE MORE COMFORTABLE SEEING INSIDE BRIDGE PARK, UM, TODAY.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHRIS, UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE ANY, UM, QUESTIONS ON THE FLY HERE, CHRIS.
HI, I AM CHRIS MYERS WITH MYERS AND ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTS.
UH, 2 32 NORTH THIRD STREET IN COLUMBUS.
UM, AT THE INFORMAL STAGE, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT MASSING AND SHAPE AND SITE PLANNING.
AND FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS, IT'S REALLY KIND OF BIG IDEAS.
UM, CERTAINLY THERE'S A PROCESS INVOLVED HERE.
WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING A LOT OF THE COMMENTARY, UM, OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS ABOUT SORT OF THE VISION FOR DUBLIN, WHICH IS IRONICALLY CALLED ENVISION DUBLIN.
UH, ALSO ALL OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, THE, THE CODES, THE GUIDELINES, THE, UM, PLANNING APPROACHES.
AND REALLY, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT AS SORT OF A GOOD SHINING EXAMPLE OF ALL OF THOSE, UH, ATTRIBUTES.
UM, BUT TO GIVE YOU SOME OF THE STATS OF THIS BUILDING, UH, WE'RE ABOUT A 438,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, PROJECT, UH, WHICH SOUNDS VERY LARGE.
UH, AND PART OF THE CONCENTRATION WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP IS HOW DOES IT FEEL RIGHT ON THE SITE? HOW DOES IT FEEL RIGHT IN THE CONTEXT, GIVEN SUCH A, A LARGE, UM, SIZE.
AND ALSO, UH, A COMPLEX USE OF DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS.
UH, WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE A THREE STORY PARKING STRUCTURE THAT BURIES INTO THE GROUND, GIVEN THE WALKOUT NATURE OF THIS TYPE OF SITE.
WE HAVE ABOUT A 30 FOOT GRADE CHANGE, UH, GOING FROM EAST TO WEST.
AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, EMBED LARGE PORTIONS OF, UH, THIS STRUCTURED PARKING BELOW, UM, ULTIMATELY TO ACCOMPLISH ABOUT 500 PARKING SPACES.
SO, UH, ISOLATING TRAFFIC IN TERMS OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT USES AND FUNCTIONS FOR HOSPITALITY AND RESIDENTIAL.
AND, UM, ALSO, UH, VISITOR USES.
WHAT WE END UP HAVING, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE MASSING IS ESSENTIALLY TWO UPRIGHT TOWERS.
THE TWO TOWERS ARE A RESIDENTIAL, UH, PIECE, WHICH IS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UH, AND A HOTEL BAR.
UM, THE RESIDENTIAL IS EIGHT STORIES.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ABOVE THE, THE GARAGE, UH, PODIUM.
THE BENEFIT TO THIS SITE IS WHAT WE DO IS WE FLUSH OUT THAT THE WALK-IN GROUND LEVEL OF THE HOTEL, THE RESIDENTIAL, THE RESTAURANT, EVERYTHING IS ON THE SAME GRADE PLANE AS THE SHOPS.
AND SO AS YOU COME IN OFF OF DALE DRIVE, YOU'RE FLUSH WITH GRADE.
AND THE GARAGE IS REALLY WHAT CREATES THE PLATFORM FOR ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY AND BUILDING TO SIT ON TOP OF, UM, FOR A SENSE OF SCALE.
OUR HIGHEST POINT ON OUR BUILDING IS ABOUT SEVEN FEET TALLER THAN THE AC HOTEL, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME IMAGES OF THAT.
WE WERE BACK BEFORE YOU IN, UH, 2023, AND WE HAD A, A, ANOTHER SORT OF CONCEPT, UH, THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.
IT'S, IT'S SORT OF GONE THROUGH A LOT OF EVOLUTION SINCE THEN.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALIZED WAS A SENSITIVE SUBJECT THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO PAY ATTENTION TO, UH, WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH.
AND WHAT WE WERE, UH, THINKING OF AT THE TIME.
AND AS RUSS MENTIONED, WE HAD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS AND FOCUS GROUPS.
HE, HE SAID SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW ABOUT THESE BALLOONS.
WE FLEW BALLOONS TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S HOW TALL IT WILL BE.
WE WENT TO NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARDS TO SEE IF YOU'D SEE ANYTHING.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S GOOD INTERACTION, AND IT'S CERTAINLY, IT'S A PROCESS THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS EFFORT.
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BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WE DID IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL, BUT THE, THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT ON THIS BUILDING HAD THE HOTEL GOING FROM SORT OF NORTH TO SOUTH.IT WAS LINEAR, UH, AND IT WAS, UH, STRAIGHT ALONG RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE CHANGED IN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TONIGHT IS WE'VE BENT THE HOTEL.
SO THE HOTEL IS NOW A BIT OF AN L SHAPE, NOT QUITE 90 DEGREES, BUT WHAT THAT DOES IS IT PULLS THE HIGHER POINTS OF THE SOUTH AND THE, OF THE BUILDING ALMOST A HUNDRED FEET FURTHER TO THE NORTH.
AGAIN, TRYING TO JUST BE RESPECTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF COMPACTING THE SITE CLOSER TO THE ROUNDABOUT COMPACTING, THEREFORE, THE HEIGHT CLOSER TO THE CONTEXT OF BRIDGE PARK.
SO OUR HOPE AND OUR INTENT IS THAT THIS FEELS LIKE A TRANSITION BUILDING GOING FROM HEIGHT, SCALE, MASSING, DENSITY, ALL OF THOSE THINGS OF BRIDGE PARK STARTS TO GO ACROSS THE ROUNDABOUT, BUT THEN IT REALLY STARTS TO TRANSITION DOWN IN SCALE, MASSING, UH, AND PROPORTION DETAIL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE OF THE PROPERTY IS, UH, 26 UNITS.
UH, THERE'S PROBABLY FOUR PER FLOOR.
UH, NOW THAT COMBINATION MIGHT ADJUST, BUT I THINK THE, THE LIMIT OF ROUGHLY 26 IS, IS KIND OF WHERE, UH, THAT IS PLANNED TO BE FOR THE HOTEL.
UH, WE HAVE 130 GUEST ROOMS, WHICH IN COMPARISON IS, IS VERY SIMILAR TO, UH, WHAT THE AC IS ACROSS THE STREET.
THE SPRING HILL, UH, RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD IS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, BUT AT 130 GUEST ROOMS, UH, IT'S A VERY MANAGEABLE, UH, HOTEL.
THE HOTEL IS STILL PLANNED TO BE A MARRIOTT AUTOGRAPH SERIES, WHICH IS ONE OF THE PREMIER LINES, UH, WITHIN, UM, MARRIOTT'S, UH, LINE IN CHAIN OF HOTELS.
UH, AND AS YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, A PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED, UH, WITH, UH, CAMERON MITCHELL, UH, AND CRAWFORD HOING AS A JOINT VENTURE.
SO THERE'S CERTAINLY A, A FOOD FOCUSED, UH, APPROACH TO THE DESIGN AND UTILIZATION, UH, OF THE FACILITY.
AN AUTOGRAPH HOTEL IS, UH, IS ONE OF SORT OF DISTINCTION.
THERE ARE FOUR, UH, IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S ONE IN CINCINNATI.
THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE THE FIRST NEW BUILD, UH, AUTOGRAPH IN THE STATE.
ALL OF THOSE OTHERS, UH, ARE WITHIN EXISTING, UH, MODIFIED, UM, UH, BUILDINGS.
AND SO AUTOGRAPHS HAVE A VERY, UH, CURATED OR A BOUTIQUE STYLE APPROACH TO THEM.
THEY ALL FEEL LIKE VERY INDEPENDENT BRANDED HOTELS AS THIS WILL BE, UH, AS WELL WITHIN THE HOTEL.
THERE'S ALSO A COMBINATION OF SOME OTHER THINGS.
THERE'S SOME, UH, SIGNATURE FOOD AND BEVERAGE, UH, VENUES, CONCEPTS THAT, UH, CAMERON AND HIS TEAM ARE, ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPING.
UH, THERE'S A SPA FUNCTION, UH, AS WELL.
THERE'S AN EVENT SPACE BANQUET ROOM.
UH, THERE'S A, UM, A SERIES OF, YOU KNOW, UH, EVENT SPACES THAT ARE IN THE BUILDING AROUND THE BUILDING.
AND THE INTENT WITH THAT IS REALLY TO CREATE, UH, URBAN ACTIVE OUTDOOR SPACES THAT REALLY CREATE THIS CONNECTION TO THE BIGGER COMMUNITY.
JEFF HAD MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THE PATHWAY CONNECTIONS, WALKWAYS AND KIND OF PEDESTRIAN APPROACHES THAT ARE, UH, ON RIVERSIDE OR, UH, DUBLIN GRANDVILLE ROAD.
BUT THOSE WILL REALLY KIND OF FEED INTO A NUMBER OF, UH, SPACES SURROUNDING THIS BUILDING TO HELP ACTIVATE AND ENGAGE IT WITH THE REST OF THE, UH, THE CONTEXT.
UM, WHEN, WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT A, A PROJECT LIKE THIS AT THESE BEGINNING STAGES, THERE'S, THERE'S SORT OF DESIGN TENETS OR OBJECTIVES YOU CAN SAY, UH, THAT WE APPLIED TO THIS.
AND, UM, IN KIND OF THINKING ABOUT HOW TO DESCRIBE THIS, UH, APPROACH TO YOU, THERE'S REALLY KIND OF SIX TENETS THAT WE'VE APPLIED, UH, TO THIS PROCESS.
THE FIRST IS REALLY THIS FOCUS ON MASSING SCALE, HEIGHT PROPORTION, THE CONTEXT, MAKING THIS KIND OF A RIGHT FIT, UH, BUILDING FOR WHAT'S GOING ON, UH, SURROUNDING IT.
THE OTHER IS THIS ATTENTION TO A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, UH, MAKING THE ARCHITECTURE APPROACHABLE.
UH, IT'S CERTAINLY ON AN ICONIC LOCATION GIVEN ITS, UH, POSITION AT THIS PROMINENT ROUNDABOUT.
BUT, UH, REALLY HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE TREAT THIS IN A WAY THAT IT'S APPROACHABLE AND WELCOMING FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND NOT JUST, UH, FOR THOSE WHO ARE GUESTS, UH, IN THE HOTEL.
THE THIRD POINT WAS TO BE RESPECTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS, UH, TO THE SOUTH, ESPECIALLY.
UM, STEPPING DOWN THE SCALE AND KIND OF BENDING THE HOTEL, CREATING THAT ADDED BUFFER OF, OF SPACE, BEING SENSITIVE TO, UH, SERVICE AND, AND, UH, ACCESS FOR, UH, DELIVERIES AND TRASH AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT
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GO ALONG WITH THIS.UH, THERE'S GREAT ATTENTION BEING PAID TO THOSE THINGS, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IN BRIDGE PARK.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME GROUP AND THAT SENSITIVITY TO HOW DO, HOW ARE ALL THESE SPACES SERVED IN A WAY THAT STILL WORK WELL, UH, FOR THOSE WHO LIVE IN AND AROUND, UH, ALL OF THOSE AMENITIES.
THE FOURTH WAS, UH, TO BE A COMPATIBLE SIZE TO THE AC.
NOW THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE, WE SEE THIS AS A BIT OF, WE'RE FORMING A GATEWAY, UH, ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, UH, THE ROAD.
UH, AND BY DOING THAT, WE, WE CREATE THE FIFTH POINT, WHICH IS POSITIONING THIS BUILDING IN A WAY THAT IT TIES INTO, UH, ONE OF THE NICEST FEATURES IN THE IMMEDIATE CONTEXT, WHICH IS THE LINK BRIDGE.
SO WHEN I SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF THE, THE PRELIMINARY VISUALS, WE'VE, WE'VE SHAPED THE BUILDING AND THE PLANNING OF THE INTERIOR, THAT, THAT SORT OF VISITOR EXPERIENCE AS YOU COME TO THE HOTEL OR RESTAURANT TO REMIND YOU YOU'RE IN DUBLIN, OHIO.
AND TO SEE THIS ICONIC BRIDGE AS KIND OF A PLANNING ELEMENT TO SHAPE HOW WE'VE POSITIONED THE FORM OF THE BUILDING AND WHERE WE'RE DRIVING PEOPLE TO SEE, UH, THE FEATURES THAT ARE, UH, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE, THE STREET AND AVAILABLE TO US.
UH, AND THE LAST ONE WAS REALLY ACTIVATING, UH, THE ROUNDABOUT.
LOOKING AT THE ROUNDABOUT, WE SEE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO CREATE A CIVIC SPACE.
I WAS JUST OUT IN THE LOBBY, KIND OF WADING THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHERS.
AND, UH, IN THE PROMOTIONAL VIDEO FOR DUBLIN, THIS GREAT IMAGE OF YOUR LIBRARY COMES UP, WHICH I THINK IS A SPECTACULAR BUILDING.
IT'S VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S UP ON A LITTLE BIT OF A PEDESTAL.
IT HAS A SORT OF A, A CIVIC STAIR AND CIRCULATION SPACE.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITY BETWEEN THESE TWO.
BUT WHERE I SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SOMETHING SIMILAR.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CREATE THIS MOMENT WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN CAN TAKE A PAUSE THAT CAN HAVE SOMEPLACE TO SIT, STAND, FIND ACCESS INTO THE BUILDING, BUT ALSO CREATE A MORE GRACIOUS WAY TO CIRCULATE AS A PEDESTRIAN AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO THIS SENSITIVITY TO HOW ARE WE CREATING AN ARCHITECTURE THAT TIES IN AND ENHANCES THIS PORTION OF THE CITY RATHER THAN SITS IN AN ISOLATED ISLAND.
THERE'S A COUPLE CHALLENGES, UH, THAT WE HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, ROAD CIRCULATION TRAFFIC.
UM, THERE'S A THOUGHT OF MAYBE INTRODUCING AN ADDITIONAL CURB CUT COMING OUT, A RIGHT TURN ONLY.
I KNOW IT'S IN THE, UH, THE REPORT AS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING FOR, MAYBE ANY FEEDBACK.
CERTAINLY IT HAS TO GO THROUGH ENGINEERING AND ALL OF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SORT OF THOUGHTS ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE SHOULD EXPLORE THINGS FURTHER.
THE, THE SECOND COMPLEXITY WE'RE, UH, WORKING THROUGH IS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
IF YOU KNOW THAT SITE RIGHT NOW, IT'S A GIANT BASIN, UH, AND IT PICKS UP A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, WATER CONDITIONS FROM THE SHOPS IN A COUPLE AREAS.
UH, EMH AND T IS OUR, UH, CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT, ONE OF THE BEST PROBABLY IN THE COUNTRY AT THIS.
AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IS LIKE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES TO MANAGE THE STORM WATER.
I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME COMPONENTS TO THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING THAT ARE GONNA BE A GREAT ENHANCEMENT TO THIS.
A LOT OF SUSTAIN SUSTAINABILITY, UH, EFFORTS ARE BEING PUT INTO WHAT WE'RE DESIGNING, WHERE WE'RE GONNA CAPTURE A LOT OF THAT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IN THE VAULT SYSTEM OF HOW THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING IS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THAT WE CAN NOT JUST HAVE A BIG POND THAT FILLS UP AND DRAINS DOWN.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO USE SOME INNOVATION TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, A BETTER MANAGEMENT OF STORM WATER ON THE SITE RATHER THAN CURRENTLY HOW IT'S, UH, BEING TREATED.
AS WE GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE, UH, SLIDES, UM, THIS IS THE PLAN OF THE, UH, GROUND LEVEL KIND OF THE DIAGRAM.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN POINT, CAN I, SORRY, I'LL USE MY WORDS.
SO, UH, DALE, UH, STREET IS UP OFF THE TOP OF THIS, THE, THE WENDY'S PARKING LOT.
YOU'RE SEEING THE LITTLE CORNER AT THE TOP OF THE DRAWING.
UH, THERE IS A NEW 90,000 SQUARE FOOT.
I THINK IT'S A FOUR STORY, UH, OFFICE BUILDING THAT, UH, IS COMING SOON.
OOPS, DID I DO THAT? ZACH, MESSING WITH ME.
SO, UH, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SHOW ON THAT, BUT THAT'S IN THE MIX OF WHAT WE'RE, UH, GOING TO BE INCORPORATING INTO THE OVERALL, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UH, COMING IN, THERE'S A SORT OF A GRACIOUS MOTOR COURT, UH, THAT BRINGS YOU IN.
THERE'S TWO SIDE, UH, ROADS THAT BRING YOU DOWN, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH SOUTH PARK OR, UH, PREDOMINANTLY THROUGH VALET, UH, DOWN TO THE, UH, LOWER GARAGE LEVELS.
UH, WE HAVE A MAIN ENTRY POINT, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS.
THAT'S THE PAIR OF ELEVATORS YOU SEE IN THE TOP LEFT.
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A SIGNATURE RESTAURANT, A NEW CONCEPT THAT, UH, CAMERON IS, IS WORKING ON, COMING IN RIGHT AT THE, THE HINGE OF THE BUILDING IS THE HOTEL LOBBY MAIN REGISTRATION, UH, ALSO ANY OF THE HOTEL RESTAURANT BAR.BUT THAT'S THAT VIEW THAT BRINGS YOU RIGHT BACK THROUGH, UH, THE BUILDING OVER THAT LITTLE CIVIC SPACE ON THE CORNER, UH, TO THE LINK BRIDGE AND TO, UH, BRIDGE PARK.
GRAY AREAS IN THIS ARE KIND OF BACK OF HOUSE AND SUPPORT SPACES.
AND THEN ON THE TAIL END, THE SOUTH END OF THE BUILDING, UH, WE HAVE ABOUT A 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF TOTAL EVENT SPACE.
SO THIS IS, UH, DEMISING MEETING ROOMS, CONFERENCE ROOMS, BUT ALSO, UH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING A BALLROOM THAT PROBABLY HAS A SEATING CAPACITY AROUND 200, UH, 220 FOLKS.
THE CONCEPT IN SORT OF DIAGRAMMING, AND THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET IF YOU WANNA READ MORE ABOUT IT, BUT THIS IS SOME OF THE, THE BASIS OF WHAT WAS DRIVING THE MASSING IN THE SHAPE, UH, THAT WE ENDED UP WITH.
AGAIN, LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE USE VIEWS AND THE CONDITION OF A CLEAN PODIUM, UH, BASE ON A SLOPED SITE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO SHAPE AND FORM THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO, UH, WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
UH, THE SECOND IS LOOKING AT THIS TOWER WHERE, UH, RATHER THAN EXTRUDING THE ENTIRE BUILDING IN THIS SOMEWHAT L SHAPE, ISOLATING THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE HOTEL, ONE TO CREATE FOUR-SIDED FACADES FOR EACH, BUT ALSO JOINING THEM WITH LIKE PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE SPA, UH, THE RESTAURANTS, AND SOME OF THE CIRCULATION COMPONENTS DOWN BELOW.
SO AGAIN, THE MAIN ENTRY LEVEL IS A SINGLE, UH, CONNECTED FLOOR PLANE.
AND THEN YOU GO UP INTO THE HOTEL, OR YOU GO UP INTO THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND THERE'S A GAP, AN AIRSPACE BETWEEN THEM.
UH, AND THEN LOOKING AT A LOT OF THE CONTEXT, THINKING, THE WAY THESE BUILDINGS KIND OF MEET THE SKY IS ALSO AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT.
LOOKING AT VARIED ROOF LINES AND STEPPING AND VARIATION IN SOME OF THE LONG WALL FACADES, UH, THAT WE WOULD END UP WITH.
SO YOU SEE THE BUILDING STARTS TO HAVE A LOT OF INDENTATIONS AND BALCONY CUTS AND AREAS FOR ROOF TERRACES, SHAPING OF THE FACADE FOR MATERIAL CHANGES, UH, SHAPING SOME OF THAT ROOF PLANE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, SCREEN SOME OF THE MECHANICAL UNITS AND SOME OTHER ELEMENTS, UH, WHICH WILL BE UP ON THAT, UH, ON THAT ROOF.
THIS IS A VIEW KIND OF FLOATING UP ABOVE THE ROUNDABOUT.
UH, RIVERSIDE DRIVE IS GOING TO THE RIGHT DUBLIN GRANDVILLE ROAD ON THE LEFT, UH, ON THE LEFT SIDE, ON THE UPPER PORTION.
THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE.
YOU CAN SEE EXPANSIVE, UH, BALCONIES.
UH, THESE ARE VERY NICE, UM, UNITS FOR PURCHASE.
SO CONDO UNITS, AGAIN, 26 IS, IS THE PROJECTION RIGHT NOW.
UH, OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU SEE THIS IS THE, UH, THE HOTEL ELEMENT.
UH, ONE OF THE FACTORS, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, CERTAIN HOTELS IS THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TYPE OF HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEM WITHIN THE GUEST ROOM.
SO YOU'VE SEEN HOTELS THAT HAVE WHAT ARE CALLED A P TAC OR A V TAC IN THE ROOM.
WHAT THAT DOES IS IT FORCES YOU TO HAVE A VENT, A LOUVRE ON THE EXTERIOR FACADE.
AUTOGRAPH HOTELS DON'T ALLOW THAT.
IT'S A, HAS TO BE A DIFFERENT MECHANICAL SYSTEM.
SO THE EXTERIOR OF THE FACADE DOESN'T HAVE LOUVERS ALL OVER IT.
IT'S A BIT OF A, SORT OF A CURATED COMPONENT THAT THEY REQUIRE.
SO, UM, THE, THE BOTTOM SPACE, WHICH WE'VE BEEN CALLING THE RIBBON, THIS IS THE CONNECTOR BETWEEN, UH, AND THE BASE OF THE TWO, UH, TOWERS.
AND THEN YOU COULD SEE THIS CONCEPT THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH MKSK ON IN INTEGRATING TERRACES AND PLATFORMS, UH, TO TRANSITION SOME OF THAT GRADE CHANGE, CREATING THAT CIVIC OUTDOOR SPACE AND GIVING A BIT OF A PRESENTATION OR A WELCOME WALK UP, UH, TO THE PEDESTRIAN.
THIS IS A VIEW, UH, IF YOU'RE HOVERING UP ABOVE THE WENDY'S, SO TO YOUR RIGHT IS DUBLIN GRANDVILLE, UH, ROAD.
THE ROUNDABOUT WOULD BE SORT OF JUST SEEN OFF TO THE SIDE HERE.
SO YOU'RE SEEING THE SIDE EDGE, UH, OF THE RESIDENTIAL TOWER.
UH, AGAIN, KIND OF CREATING A PRESENTATION FACADE, A GATEWAY NOW GOING FROM, UH, EAST TO WEST AS THE, UH, PAIRING WITH THE AC, UH, WOULD CREATE THAT, THAT, UM, CONNECTION YOU'RE SEEING THE HOTEL, UH, IN THE BACKGROUND ON THE LEFT, UH, AND AGAIN WITH THE, WITH THE BEND THAT IT HAS, AGAIN, THAT WAS THAT GESTURE TO HOW DO WE MAYBE PULL A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY, UH, FROM THE, UM, SOUTH PORTION OF THE SITE.
UH, THIS IS COMING IN THE MAIN, UH, DRIVE.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WE LIKE ABOUT THIS APPROACH OF COMING OFF OF DALE, UH, IS IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A, A NEW LANDSCAPE BOULEVARD.
UH, IT HELPS US KIND OF SCREENING SOME OF THE,
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UH, THE PARKING LOT OF THE WENDY'S.IT HELPS US, UH, ELEVATE THE PRESENCE OF THE NEW OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE OFF TO THE SIDE AND GIVE YOU KIND OF A, A, A MOMENT TO, TO SORT OF GET OFF OF THE MAIN ROAD AND KIND OF DRIVE IN PEACEFULLY, UH, TO THE NEW PROPERTY.
UH, THIS IS A VIEW ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE, KINDA LOOKING TOWARDS THE NORTH, UH, THE BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND, THAT'S THE AC UH, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE FOR, FOR SCALE AND DISTANCE AND VIEW.
UH, THE IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THIS VIEW IS THIS IS THAT BALLROOM, WHICH IS, UM, ON THAT CORNER.
AND SO THE NICE THING ABOUT BENDING THE HOTEL IS IT ALLOWS US TO MAKE THAT BALLROOM NOT CONSTRICTED TO THE SAME FLOOR PLANE OF THE OTHER FLOORS UP ABOVE IT.
SO IF WE WERE TUCKED UNDER THE HOTEL, WE'RE LIMITED TO THE HEIGHT OF THE NEXT FLOOR OF THE HOTEL.
SO BY MOVING THAT FACADE OVER, IT ALLOWS US TO JUST POP UP THIS EVENT SPACE A LITTLE BIT.
IT ALLOWS US TO GIVE US A REALLY KIND OF GRACIOUS MEETING ROOM OR BALLROOM.
UH, AND ALSO A KIND OF A PRESENTATION TO THE TRAVELER WHO'S COMING FROM THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH ON RIVERSIDE.
SO THIS GLASSY CORNER, WE THINK HELPS WITH THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING TRANSITIONING TO THE SOUTH.
IT'S ALSO PART OF THE FIRST IMPRESSION YOU GET, UH, DRIVING UP THE ROAD.
AND THEN THIS IS MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN VIEW, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT UP OFF THE GROUND OF THAT CORNER.
THIS PROUD PIECE, THIS KIND OF BLUISH GLASSY PIECE THAT STICKS OUT.
UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE KIND OF SIGNATURE COMPONENTS, UH, TO THIS BUILDING.
UM, CAMERON MITCHELL AND THE, AND THE RESTAURANT GROUP, THEY'RE DEVELOPING A CONCEPT, UH, THAT IS A FEATURE OF THE RESTAURANT.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A, A MEMBER'S CLUB, UH, AS PART OF THAT RESTAURANT.
SO THIS BECOMES THAT SPACE THAT HAS THIS REALLY OPTIMAL VIEW LOOKING OUT.
IT ALSO CREATES THAT CANOPY COVER, UH, COMING IN FROM THE STREET SIDE, UH, FOR THE BUILDING.
THEY CUT OUT ALL MY OTHER SLIDES.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE AT A STAGE THAT HOPEFULLY THIS GIVES YOU A SENSE OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO.
UM, THE MATERIALITY, I THINK IS GONNA BE EVERY BIT AS SORT OF ELEGANT AS A CAMERON MITCHELL PRODUCT WOULD BE, OR A CRAWFORD HOING PRODUCT WOULD BE, OR A MARRIOTT AUTOGRAPH PRODUCT WOULD BE, OR A, YOU KNOW, A NICE BUILDING IN DUBLIN, OHIO.
SHOULD BE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT COMBINATIONS OF METAL PANEL STONE PANEL GLASS FOR SURE.
UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, UH, LANDSCAPING AND TIE INTO, UH, ALL OF THE NECESSARY COMPONENTS TO, UH, MAKE THIS REALLY A, A WONDERFUL PROPERTY.
SO, UH, AGAIN, CERTAINLY WE'RE HERE FOR, UH, QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK, BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, UH, EAGER TO SEE THE PROCESS GO FORWARD, UH, AND ANY OF THAT FEEDBACK WILL CERTAINLY SHAPE OUR NEXT STEP.
WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO STAFF FOR OUR STAFF PRESENTATION.
UM, I'LL SPEND THIS TIME JUST FOCUSING ON SOME OF THE CITY DOCUMENTS, UM, TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL JUST TOUCH VERY BRIEFLY ON SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WITH THE, UM, WITH THE ACTUAL APPLICATION ITSELF.
UM, SO THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN.
UM, TYPICALLY A DETERMINATION IS REQUIRED WITH CITY COUNCIL, OR SORRY, WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO THIS, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GIVING TO CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT, WHETHER IT'S APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.
SO NO DETERMINATION IS MADE TONIGHT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THAT CONCEPT PLAN, AND THEN SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
BUT THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL STEPS THAT ARE STILL NEEDED WITH THIS PROCESS, WHICH ARE THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE AND THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, SO I WANNA ADD THIS SLIDE JUST TO GIVE YOU, UM, SYNOPSIS OF REALLY WHAT THE CONCEPT PLAN IS CONSIDERING.
UM, I'VE LISTED FOUR POINTS HERE, AND THESE ARE PULLED FROM THE, UH, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT ZONING CODE.
SO GENERALLY, WHAT A CONCEPT PLAN IS LOOKING AT, ARE THE PROPOSED LAND USES, ARE THEY GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND ADOPTED, UH, CODE, UM, IS THE PROPOSED BLOCK FRAMEWORK AND STREET NETWORK.
SO HOW THE SITE IS GENERALLY, UM, LAID OUT CURRENTLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADOPTED PLANS.
UM, IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, CONCEPTUALLY, GENERAL, GENERALLY, UH, IS THE DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT GENERALLY FULFILLING THE INTENT OF THE BRIDGE STREET SPECIAL AREA PLAN? AND THEN IS THE DEVELOPMENT CREATING A, OR CONTRIBUTING TO A WALKABLE URBAN PLACE? SO VERY GENERAL PRINCIPLES THAT WE'RE REVIEWING HERE.
SO, UM, TO QUOTE REBECCA, WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE BIG BLOCKS AT THIS MOMENT.
UM, I DID WANT TO ADD THE NOTE AT THE BOTTOM.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGNS OF THE BUILDINGS AT THIS STAGE IN THE MASSING, THE HEIGHT MASSING AND DESIGN OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE CONSIDERED WITH SUBSEQUENT APPLICATIONS.
SO WHETHER YOU'RE APPROVING OR DISAPPROVING
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THE APPLICATION, UH, TONIGHT, THIS CONCEPT PLAN DOES NOT COMMIT TO THOSE ITEMS. SO THOSE ARE STILL UP, UH, FOR DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE APPLICATION.THEY'RE JUST GIVEN AT THIS POINT, UH, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF KIND OF THE DIRECTION THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING IN.
SO I WANTED TO ADD, UH, TWO AERIALS HERE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF REALLY THE CONTEXT OF THE AREA OF, UM, WHICH THIS, THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THIS TO THE NORTH IS BRIDGE PARK AND THEN TO THE SOUTH.
UH, RIGHT ON THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY THE BOUNDARY OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
SO SOUTH OF THAT IS EXISTING SUBURBAN OFFICE, AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO BRIDGE PARK DOES NOT GO BEYOND GO SOUTH, UH, FROM THIS PROPERTY, BUT ALSO SHOPS AT RIVER RIDGE.
SO THAT'S THE CUTOFF FOR THIS DISTRICT.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, YOU CAN SEE THE AC HOTEL ON THE LEFT.
THIS PROPERTY DOES SIT LOWER THAN THE AC CURRENTLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS MR. MYERS HAD STATED, THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT GRAY CHANGE, UM, SPECIFICALLY AT THE CENTER OF THE SITE ALONG RIVERSIDE DRIVE, AND THEN IT DOES SLOPE UP TOWARDS THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, UH, IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
THIS SITE IS, UH, CONSIDERED IN THE MIXED USE URBAN, UH, DESIGNATION, WHICH IS CONSIDERED FOR STRONG MIX OF USES IN AN ACTIVE, HIGHLY WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT.
UH, THE USES THAT ARE, UH, TYPICALLY ATTRACTED FOR THIS DESIGNATION ARE LISTED ON THE SCREEN.
UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL ABOUT THE BUILT FORM OF WHAT'S EXPECTED FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THIS, THIS DESIGNATION.
UH, SO I JUST HAVE ONE LISTED, WHICH IS THAT BUILDING FORM.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATION IS IN, WITHIN THIS DISTRICT IS THREE TO SIX STORIES.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE, UH, SOME AREAS WHICH ARE KEY LOCATIONS WHERE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT MAY BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, AND THE REASON THAT I BRING THAT UP IS WITH THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SPECIAL AREA PLAN.
UM, THIS IS ONE SITE WHERE THERE ARE SPECIFIC SITE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THAT AREA PLAN THAT TALKS ABOUT THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT.
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE SHOULD FRAME THE ROUNDABOUT AND CREATE DISTINCTIVE CHARACTER AS A LANDMARK OF THE DISTRICT.
SO IT DOES CONTEMPLATE BETWEEN THREE AND EIGHT STORIES.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURE.
AND AGAIN, THAT IS A PROCESS THAT IS REVIEWED WITH THE SUBSEQUENT APPLICATIONS THAT JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT FOR YOUR BACKGROUND TONIGHT.
UM, AND THEN THIS ALSO NEEDS TO BE A TRANSITION TO THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.
UM, AGAIN, THERE IS SUBURBAN OFFICE AND A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SOUTH OF HERE, IMMEDIATELY SOUTH.
UM, SO ALONG THAT SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE SITE, AND AS YOU GO FURTHER EAST, THERE NEEDS TO BE A TRANSITION, UM, TO THOSE SENSITIVE AREAS.
AND ANOTHER QUESTION THAT HAS COME UP IN THE PAST, UM, AND I HAVE SOME UPDATES FOR THIS, UM, BUT THE CITY OF DUBLIN IS CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN THE EAST BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR STUDY WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 1 61, UH, CORRIDOR AND IDENTIFYING WAYS TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND CURRENTLY THAT THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES, UH, WITH TRYING TO CROSS 1 61, ESPECIALLY AROUND THAT ROUNDABOUT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS HEARD, UM, AND HAS DEFINITELY BEEN STUDYING.
UM, AND THIS IS A CITY INITIATIVE.
SO THIS IS NOT TIED TO THIS PROJECT OR ANY PROJECT, ANY ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
THIS IS A STANDALONE PROCESS THAT THE CITY'S ENGAGED IN AND THE GOALS ARE LISTED ON THE SCREEN.
UM, AGAIN, THE GOAL OF THIS IS HOW DO WE MAKE THIS STREETS SCAPE, WHAT USED TO BE VERY SUBURBAN? WELL, WHAT IS CURRENTLY VERY SUBURBAN WITH IT BEING BOULEVARD AND VERY WIDE, HOW DO WE MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS, UM, THAT THE STREETSCAPE IS MORE ENGAGED? AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE DESIGNS VERY CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT.
SO, UM, WE'RE CONTINUING TO STUDY THIS THERE.
I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T KNOW THE, THE TIMELINE IN WHICH THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED.
THIS IS AN INITIATIVE BY OUR TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE'RE ENGAGED ON THE SIDE WITH THIS, BUT THEY'RE TAKING THE LEAD.
UM, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE UPDATES IN THE FUTURE ONCE WE DO HAVE MORE CONCRETE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT THE STUDY'S GONNA BE.
UM, LASTLY FOR THIS, UH, THIS IS LOCATED IN THE CIDER RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS A NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE ZONING DISTRICT OR ZONING CODE.
THE STAR REPRESENTS WHERE THE SITE'S LOCATED.
UM, THE ONLY POINT I WANT TO CALL OUT HERE IS THE POTENTIAL GATEWAY LOCATION, WHICH IS AT THAT ROUNDABOUT.
AGAIN, THIS JUST REINFORCES THAT IDEA THAT WE SAW WITH THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A GATEWAY.
UM, THIS NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT REALLY CAPTURES THAT ROUNDABOUT.
UM, I WON'T TOUCH ON TOO MUCH HERE.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO, NEEDS TO STILL HAPPEN WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND SOME OF THOSE KEY ITEMS ARE LISTED ON THE SCREEN, WHICH ARE SITE ACCESS, HOW DALE DRIVE IS, WHETHER IT'S
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PRIVATE OR PUBLIC MOVING FORWARD.UM, THE STREET SCAPES ALONG RIVERSIDE DRIVE AND 1 61.
AND THEN INTEGRATING WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS AS WELL.
UM, ANOTHER KEY ITEM AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE BUILDING TYPE DESIGNATIONS SO THAT THE BUILDING TYPES IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, THEY ESTABLISH WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
UM, AT THIS STAGE, WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY DIVE INTO THIS.
THIS IS A UNIQUE BUILDING AS IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL, WE WOULDN'T REVIEW IT IN A TYPICAL FASHION.
SO WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST PATH FORWARD TO REVIEW THIS.
SO, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO WITH THAT.
WE KNOW THAT AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT.
UH, SO WITH THAT, GIVEN THE SCOPE OF THE CONCEPT PLAN AND JUST THE GENERAL INTENT, UH, BASED AROUND THESE CRITERIA, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS CONCEPT PLAN TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE SEVEN CONDITIONS.
ALL VERY GENERAL, BUT THEY DO TOUCH ON THOSE ITEMS, UH, REGARDING THE SITE LAYOUT ACCESS, AND THEN ALSO SOME OF THE BUILDING TYPE ISSUES.
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MR. HEL, UH, WE WILL AGAIN START, I'LL PICK ON YOU MR. CHINOOK QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO REAL QUICK FOR, UH, STAFF FOR ZACH.
THE LAST, LAST TIME WE WERE, WE DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT, THERE WAS THE TALK OF THE BRIDGE OVER PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER 1 61 AS A OPTION, AND THAT'S KIND OF OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE OF THE CITIES DOING THE OTHER STUDY TO TALK ABOUT.
IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE STUDY IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE APPROPRIATE AVENUES TO, TO CROSS NOT JUST AT THAT ROUNDABOUT, BUT ELSEWHERE ON THE CORRIDOR.
SO, UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT A BRIDGE WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO STUDY WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE AVENUES FOR, SO IT'S SAFE TO SAY IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS CONNECT, THESE, THESE SITE CONNECTED.
I GUESS IT'S, RIGHT NOW IT'S AN ISLAND, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE IT MORE, MORE CONNECTED TO BRIDGE STREET.
I MEAN THE, I MISSPOKE THERE ARE TIES TO THIS DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE AND HOW IT ENGAGES AND INTERACTS WITH THE STREETSCAPE.
BUT ON THE SIDE OF THAT IS THE CITY'S STUDY AND DETERMINING WHAT'S APPROPRIATE.
SO THAT'S AGAIN, GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S BEST AND, UM, GET RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR CONSULTANTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BEST PATH, PATH FORWARD FOR, UM, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FOR CHRIS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
THE, UM, QUESTION ON THE, THE, THE NEW ACCESS DRIVE GOING DOWN TO THE MOTOR COURT AS YOU DESCRIBED.
WHAT'S THE, I REALLY WASN'T CLEAR ON THE MODEL, BUT WHAT'S THE GRADE CHANGE THERE? IS IT, IS THE INTENT THAT IT'S GONNA BE RELATIVE? I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT ROAD INTERACTS AND HOW YOU ACCESS THE, THE PARKING GARAGE.
YEAH, I WISH I COULD POINT, UM, CHRIS MEYERS AGAIN.
SO IF YOU TURN IN OFF OF DALE DRIVE, TURN RIGHT ON THE NEW ROAD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HELPING ME.
SO YOU COME DOWN THERE, IT'S BASICALLY FLAT.
WHEN YOU GET TO RIGHT ABOUT THERE, STEAL FLAT, YOU CAN TURN IN THAT CASE, RIGHT? AND GO OUT ON 1 61.
IF DUBLIN AND ENGINEERS AND SMART PEOPLE SAY THAT'S GOOD, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN EXIT WAY OUT OF THE GARAGE DOWN THERE AS WELL.
YOU CAN GO IN BASICALLY FLAT INTO THAT, UH, THAT OVAL SHAPE.
THAT'S THE, A ROUNDABOUT AT THE DROP OFF CANOPY COVER.
UM, BUT THE OTHER KIND OF LIKE WHITE ROAD BETWEEN EVENT AND OFFICE THAT STARTS TO GO SLOPING DOWN.
YOU SEE THERE'S A LITTLE HOOK ON IT THAT'S ONE OF THE GARAGE ENTRIES AT AN UP UPPER LEVEL.
AND THEN IT CONTINUES DOWN AT A LOWER LEVEL TO GAIN ACCESS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S A THREE LEVEL GARAGE.
THE LOWEST LEVEL YOU GET TO THROUGH INTERNALLY CIRCULATING, UH, DOWN BELOW.
SO THE TWO ACCESSES THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A GRADE, A SLOPE TO ACCESS THE GARAGE.
THE GRADE REALLY HAPPENS MORE SO GOING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH OR THE RIGHT OF THE KIND OF THE MOTOR COURT.
UM, BUT WE STAY, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE, A WHOLE PURPOSE OF DOING THIS ON THE, THE PODIUM IS ROADWAYS AND ACCESS POINTS AND TYING INTO THE GARAGE IS BASICALLY FLAT.
AND THEN WHERE WE DEAL WITH THE HILLSIDE IS WE KIND OF COME AROUND FROM THE, GOING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH AND THEN KIND OF HOOK INTO THE, TO THE BACK OF THE, THE SOUTH END OF THE GARAGE.
AND WE HAVE, THESE ARE ALL PLANT, I THINK THEY'RE IN THE PACKET THAT WE ORIGINALLY SENT, SO.
AND THEN ONE OTHER, UH, QUESTION.
SO ONE OF THE UNIQUE ASPECTS, OBVIOUSLY BRIDGE STREET IS THE STOREFRONT AND THE STREET SCAPE, AND YOU'VE KIND OF DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE STREET SCAPE ALONG 1 61 AND THE ALONG RIVERSIDE DRIVE WITH THE, THE
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STEPPING, THE LANDSCAPE STEPPING.UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH THAT AREA FROM A PEDESTRIAN VANTAGE POINT, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE? I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT, BUT THEN ARE YOU, I GUESS THE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING AT THE BUILDING AT FROM A PEDESTRIAN LEVEL.
THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE SITTING UP HERE UP ABOVE YOU AND IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IT'S ON A PEDESTAL, ESSENTIALLY.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT BIT MORE ABOUT THAT STREET SCAPE THERE? YEAH, SO IT'S THE HARDEST THING FOR AN ARCHITECT TO GIVE UP FACADE OF BUILDING FOR LANDSCAPE.
BUT HE'S HERE, SO I'LL SAY WE DID IT ANYWAYS.
THE, THE BUILDING UP OF THE, OF THE PEDESTRIAN LANDSCAPE, IT, IT SORT OF BERMS UP TO THE BUILDING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS BIG LIKE A THREE STORY GARAGE, BUT O ONE IN THREE QUARTERS OF IT OR UNDERGROUND.
AND THERE'S JUST A VERY KINDA THIN SLIVER OF THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING THAT WILL BE LIKE A, THE FOUNDATION OR BASE OF THE UPPER PORTION.
BUT JEFF CAN SHARE WITH YOU THE, BUT THAT BASE, HOW TALL IS THAT BASE ESSENTIALLY IN THIS, LIKE, IN THIS RENDER, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, I MEAN, COULD BE 10 FEET, I THINK IT'S LIKE 16 FEET TALL, EIGHT, NINE FEET OFF OF KIND OF SIDEWALK LEVEL.
THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A LANDSCAPE BUILDUP AND THEN A FOUNDATION LINE.
SO, UH, JEFF GON WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO BEFORE IS, YOU KNOW, THIS TRANSITION FROM MORE, UM, TRADITIONAL BRIDGE, UH, BRIDGE STREET, DISTRICT STREET SCAPE, THE PLANTERS, THE, YOU KNOW, THE BRICK SIDEWALK, THE, THE, THE TREES REGULARLY, SPACE, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WHAT, UM, ZACH'S CIRCLING THERE INTO THIS MORE LANDSCAPE RICH ENVIRONMENT.
SO PART OF THAT IS WE WANT TO TRANSITION INTO RIVERSIDE DRIVE AND THIS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, PASTORAL OR MORE NATURAL CHARACTER OF THAT.
BUT ALSO WE WANNA, YOU KNOW, LIKE CHRIS SAID, WE'RE DOING A LOT TO LEVERAGE THE GRADE TO BURY THE PARKING.
BUT ON THE, ON THE RIVERSIDE DRIVE SIDE, WE NEED TO, UM, UM, SOMEHOW EMBED THAT INTO A, YOU KNOW, A GREAT SITE EXPERIENCE.
SO IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS EMBEDDING IT IN LANDSCAPE AND TRYING TO WRAP THAT BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WHICH WILL BE, YOU KNOW, INCREDIBLY, UM, DETAILED FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL PERSPECTIVE, BUT LAYER LANDSCAPE IN FRONT OF IT SO THAT IT PRESENTS ITSELF, UM, TO THE STREET IN A REALLY AMAZING WAY.
SO YOUR EXPERIENCE ALONG RIVERSIDE AND AS YOU TRANSITION TO 1 61 WILL BE A MORE PARK-LIKE EXPERIENCE, A MORE RIVERSIDE PARK EXPERIENCE, SOMETHING MORE NATURAL AND, AND, AND LANDSCAPE ORIENTED IN NATURE AS YOU TRANSITION AROUND UP TO, UM, YOU KNOW, GREAT ELEVATION AT DALE DRIVE, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO, SO YOUR VISION FOR A LITTLE SOFT, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE HIGH, VERY HIGH LEVEL KIND, BUT YOUR VISION FOR IT'S A LITTLE SOFTER THEN MAYBE IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE ORGANIC THAN IT'S SHOWN CURRENTLY.
'CAUSE IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT RIGID NOW.
I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON THE, THAT PATH.
YOU'RE AT THAT POINT AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU'RE STANDING NEXT TO THE WALL AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS, YOU KNOW, EIGHT STORY BUILDING ABOVE YOUR HEAD,
SO AT THE SCALE, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SCALE OF IT AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO FEEL WHEN, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE 'CAUSE BRIDGE STREET IS SO PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND THIS IS GONNA BE AN EXTENSION THAT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL ACCOMPLISHING.
ZACH, ZACH, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME OF THE 3D IMAGES? SO CHRIS, JUMP IN HERE TOO, BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SORT OF LIKE TRIAGE THE EXPERIENCE, RIGHT? WE WANNA, UM, CREATE, YOU KNOW, A LUSH LANDSCAPE EXPERIENCE AROUND THIS BUILDING.
AND ALSO WITH THE, YOU KNOW, GREAT MASSING THAT CHRIS HAS PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN MATERIALITY AND THE PUSH AND PULL OF THE BUILDINGS.
YOU CAN SEE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE CONCEPT AND CHRIS JUMP IN.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT A BIG FLAT CONVENTION CENTER WALL FACE, RIGHT? OR A BIG, YOU KNOW, UM, SORT OF SINGULAR MONOLITHIC EXPERIENCE.
THE IDEA IS TO HAVE SOME RELIEF THERE.
SO THE, THE INTENT IS YOU HAVE NO IDEA THAT THERE'S CARS PARKED BEHIND WHATEVER.
AND IF THAT TRANSITION IS A COMBINATION OF PEDESTRIAN HARDSCAPE, MOUNTING IN LANDSCAPING, VARIATION IN HEIGHT OF PLANTINGS, THE MATERIALITY OF THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING, NOT JUST KIND OF STOPPING AT GARAGE LEVEL AND BECOMING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT LIKE A REAL CONTINUITY IN THE MATERIALITY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED THIS KIND OF IN AND OUT, THIS UNDULATION OR ARTICULATION OF THAT FACADE TO MAKE IT PEDESTRIAN APPROACHABLE.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S THE, ONE OF THE BIGGER CHALLENGES IN A BUILDING OF THIS SCALE, LIKE YOU SAY, TO BE SO CLOSE TO A PEDESTRIAN.
BUT WE THINK THAT ACTUALLY ENHANCES THAT, THAT SORT OF TRANSITION FROM AN URBAN CHARACTER.
I MEAN, BRIDGE PARK HAS PLENTY OF BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, TALLER THAN SIX, SEVEN STORIES.
AND IT'S THAT, THAT FEEL THAT HOW THAT TRANSITION OF THE ARCHITECTURE AT THE STREETSCAPE ALLOWS THAT TO HAPPEN.
AND SO IN A BIG BUILDING LIKE THIS, WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO HOW THAT'S, THAT'S DONE.
AND THEN AS JEFF SHOWED IN HIS, HIS LANDSCAPE PLAN,
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WHERE WE ENVISION MOST FOLKS MAYBE EVEN WALKING OVER FROM BRIDGE PARK, MAYBE A LITTLE FURTHER EAST ON DUBLIN, GRANDVILLE, IT, IT'S ALMOST A REPLICA OF WHAT'S AT BRIDGE PARK.AND THEN AT OUR LITTLE CIVIC SPACE AT THE CORNER, IT STARTS TO THEN BREAK INTO HOW DO YOU TRANSITION TO THE WALK PATH ALONG RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
SO THE BUILDING IN ARCHITECTURE ISN'T JUST TRANSFORMING THE SCALE OF BRIDGE PARK DOWN.
WE, WE THINK THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE OF THE LANDSCAPE EXPERIENCE IS ALSO KIND OF TRANSITIONING BETWEEN THE TWO VARIATIONS OF BRIDGE PARK AND RIVER SOUTH.
THAT WAS HELPFUL MS. HARDER, UH, THANK YOU FOR LEAVING THIS, UM, SLIDE UP.
FIRST OF ALL, UM, CONCERNING THE PARKING GARAGES, UM, IF YOU ARE AN OWNER OF THE CONDO, DO YOU HAVE YOUR OWN GARAGE INSIDE? AND HOW MANY SPACES WOULD THAT? UM, THERE IS DEFINITELY DEDICATED PARKING FOR THE RESIDENCE IN A SORT OF A CONCIERGE, UH, TYPE FUNCTION.
UH, WE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH INTO THE GARAGE PLANNING TO KNOW IF IT'S A PRIVATE GARAGE WITHIN THE GARAGE, BUT THERE'S A LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY DISTINCTION FOR, UH, THE RESIDENTS.
AS I MENTIONED, THESE ARE, THESE ARE PRETTY NICE UNITS AND WOULD REQUIRE A HIGHER LEVEL THAN JUST PARKING IN A PARKING GARAGE.
UM, SO THE 500 THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UM, THE PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY IN THE CONDOS AS WELL AS, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN STAYING AT THE HOTEL, DOES THAT SEEM LIKE THE RIGHT NUMBER OR? SO WE, WE DO, UH, WE HAVE A, A DATA ANALYSIS WE GO THROUGH WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT'S NECESSARY FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SITE, THE AREA MM-HMM
THE, IT'S, IT'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT BRAND OF HOTEL PLUS THE RESIDENTIAL PLUS THE RESTAURANTS.
PLUS IF THERE'S A, A BANQUET OR AN EVENT, YOU KNOW, AND WE DO KIND OF A MAX STUDY AND THEN ADD CONTINGENCY TO IT, IT PUT US AT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT UNDER 500.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET ABOUT 500, I THINK IT'S EXACTLY 500, UH, IN WHAT WE LAY OUT.
ONCE THESE GO FURTHER AND FURTHER, YOU TEND TO LOSE A COUPLE HERE AND THERE BECAUSE OF OTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE BUILDING.
BUT WE THINK WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY ABLE TO VERY PROPERLY COVER LIKE A MAX EVENT, UH, FOR ALL OF THE FUNCTIONS WITHIN THE BUILDING.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE ANY HINDRANCE TO THE SHOPPING DISTRICT OR, YOU KNOW, ANY TRAFFIC BACKUPS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF EFFORT THAT GOES INTO MAKING SURE IT'S PROPERLY GONNA SERVE THE, THE FUNCTIONS.
IF IT DOESN'T, IT REALLY HINDERS THE, THE BUSINESSES THAT, UH, EACH OF THESE WOULD BE.
SO THE FIRST TIME THROUGH WHEN THINKING ABOUT THIS AND SO FORTH, I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE VENT SPACE AND IT PROTRUDES OUT TO RIVERSIDE AND IT DOESN'T REALLY PROTRUDE OUT AS MUCH AS I WAS THINKING IT WAS TO RIVERSIDE ROAD.
BUT THE REASON, AND YOU'RE FINE WITH WHAT WAS UP THERE, UM, BUT IT, WHAT IS, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING ON RIVERSIDE, DOES THAT SEEM OVERWHELMING TO THE DRIVER? MAYBE? UM, LIKE IT'S CLOSER THAN ACTUALLY IT APPEARS.
UH, IS THAT GONNA BE A, A DIFFERENT KIND OF, UH, FOOTPRINT COMING INTO THIS AREA? IS THAT GONNA BE HARDER THAN WHAT, JUST A HEAVIER FEEL THAN WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT? UM, I HOPE NOT.
UM, I THINK PART OF THE, THE REASON TO SCALE DOWN THE FORM, PART OF THE REASON TO GIVE IT ITS SORT OF UNIQUE ROUNDED SHAPE AND ALSO ITS, YOU KNOW, UH, HIGH AMOUNT OF, UH, TRANSPARENCY IS TO REALLY LET THE INTERIOR FUNCTION AND ACTUALLY THE INTERIOR DESIGN LIGHTING CONCEPT, COLOR CONCEPT WITHIN THE BUILDING TO REALLY BE PART OF THAT FIRST IMPRESSION OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE COMING UP TO, UH, AS YOU GET TOWARDS THE, THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO, UH, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF ARCHITECTURE THAT STILL HAS TO BE CREATED, BUT LIKE, THE INTENT IS THAT THIS, THIS IS SORT OF A GRACIOUS FIRST IMPRESSION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN, UH, YOUR MEETING SPACE.
SO, UM, JUST WALKING THE AREA, I MEAN, THERE'S LIKE A BIG STEPS THAT COME UP TO IT AND IT SEEMS VERY HIGH.
AND NOW I'M REALLY SEEING FROM YOUR, UH, CAPTION THERE THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT REALLY THE MEETING SPACE IS, IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF EVEN TOWARDS EVERYTHING.
AND I'M THINKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, SO, SO WHERE THE, THE, THE MEETING, THE OFFICE AREA IS, I SHOULD SAY OFFICE AREA IS, UM, THAT, WHAT DOES THAT NEED ANY KINDA LOOK AT, WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WITH, WITH YOUR DRONE OR THE BALLOON AND SO FORTH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT ISN'T AS HIGH AND ARE, ARE WE PRETTY SATISFIED WITH THAT? SORRY,
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I'M TRYING TO GO TO THE, YOU MEAN THE, THE STANDALONE OFFICE BUILDING? YEAH, THE STANDALONE OFFICE BUILDING, THE, I KEPT SAYING SPACE.SO IT'S, UH, IT'S FOUR STORIES.
RIGHT NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE GEOMETRY, IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN DESIGNED YET.
BUT, UH, HEIGHTENED SCALE OF IT IS, IS PROBABLY IN THE 55 60 FEET, WHICH, UM, IS CERTAINLY, UM, YOU KNOW, LOWER THAN THE, THE HOTEL, RIGHT.
UM, THE, UH, POSITION OF WHERE IT SITS RELATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS.
I THINK THE, THE INITIAL CONCEPTS OF WHERE THE DESIGN IS HEADED IS MAYBE THAT EVEN THE BUILDING KIND OF TRANSITIONS OR STEPS DOWN TOWARDS THE BACK.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THE, TODAY'S FEEDBACK IS IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT BUILDING NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, BE ATTENTIVE TO, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND THEN THE, UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS WITH THE CITY AS WELL TOO.
THE SPEED LIMIT COMING ONTO RIVERSIDE APPROACHING THIS AREA IS 25, AND THEN YOU ALL, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S, I KNOW WE'RE CHANGING MM-HMM
UM, UM, HAS THAT CHANGED ANYTHING WITH THE BOTTLENECK THAT HAPPENS ON MARTIN ROAD AND COULD THEY BE, UM, ADDED TO ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC STUDIES IN THAT AREA WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS? THANK YOU.
UM, SO YEAH, SO IT'S 25, UM, UP TO THE ROUNDABOUT, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN AGAIN, A TRAFFIC STUDY IS NOT REQUIRED WITH THIS BECAUSE THAT'S WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL BRIDGE STREET DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHICH THIS WAS CONTEMPLATED.
AND HONESTLY, WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WE ALSO DID TRAFFIC MODELING WITH THAT, WITH THIS SAME TYPE OF DENSITY AND HEIGHTS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS 1 61, YOU KNOW, STREETSCAPE AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW THAT'S GONNA HANDLE, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
POTENTIAL FUTURE BRT, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH CUS AND THE PEDESTRIAN PIECE OF THAT.
SO, I MEAN, ENGINEERING IS, AND TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY ARE VERY ATTUNED TO WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
I MEAN, THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE STREET NETWORK IS DESIGNED FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO YES, IT'S BUSY, BUT THAT'S THE POINT OF THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? IT'S A MORE URBAN CONTEXT.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, IT IS, THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE SHARED, UM, THAT THEY HAVE, BUT I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, JEANNIE AND HER GROUP, AND WE'VE MET WITH THE RESIDENTS AND TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THAT AND SHARED DATA, AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THAT, PARTICULARLY AS WE GET TO THESE NEXT PHASES IN THE PROJECT.
UM, I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT THAT, I, I APPRECIATE THAT ALSO JUST THINKING ABOUT WITH THE, THE SPEED LIMIT CHANGE THAT'S HAPPENED IN THAT AREA.
IT'D BE NICE JUST TO GET A FEEL, UM, IF THAT'S FOR WHAT, THAT'S THE EFFECTS THAT'S HAPPENING.
UM, ZACH, COULD YOU PUT, YOU HAD A DIAGRAM THAT WAS, I'M, I'M GONNA START WITH, UH, LOTS AND BLOCKS.
YOU HAD A DIAGRAM THAT SHOWED A KIND OF A BLOCK SYSTEM THROUGH THIS AREA THAT HAD STONE RIDGE LANE.
SO HOW DOES THIS RESPOND TO THIS AS A LOT AND BLOCK, IT LOOKS LIKE STONE RIDGES WOULD BE THE DRIVE THAT GOES IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING SHOPS, IS THAT CORRECT? BASED ON THIS CONCEPT? YES.
UM, HOWEVER, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PLAN OR STUDY THAT CONTEMPLATES STONE RIDGE GOING OUT TO RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
UM, I'VE, I'VE BEEN A PART OF DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD IT EXTEND GO TO DALE DRIVE.
BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER THIS ALIGNS WITH, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S CONCEPT CONCEPTUAL, BUT I, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PLANS TO EXTEND STONE RIDGE TO RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
UM, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY A CONVERSATION THAT WE WOULD NEED TO MOVE OUR TRANSPORTATION TEAM.
SO I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONNECTION TO RIVERSIDE DRIVE, BUT STONE RIDGE ESTABLISHING ANOTHER, UM, DEVELOPMENT DEFINING THE BLOCKS RIGHT, OF THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
SO IF YOU, AND IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE PLAN, UH, THE OFFICE BUILDING BASICALLY STOPS STONE RIDGE, AND THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A CONSIDERATION THAT THE OFFICE BUILDING SHOULD, SHOULD ROTATE SO THAT IT ALLOWS THAT CORRIDOR, NOT NECESSARILY AS A STREET CORRIDOR, BUT AS A CORRIDOR TO COME INTO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
MAYBE IT CAN BE PEDESTRIAN OR WHATEVER.
I'M JUST, I'M ASKING, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO VERIFY THAT THIS, THIS IS THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, RIGHT? SO THIS IS A DOCUMENT, AND I GUESS I COULD THROW IT BACK TO THE APPLICANT, IF YOU ALL HAD CONSIDERED THAT WE HAVE THIS SPECIAL AREA PLAN WITH THIS KIND OF ESTABLISHMENT OF A LOT AND BLOCK, WHICH IS WHAT BRIDGE STREET'S ALL BUILT BASED ON.
AND SO HOW HAVE, HOW DOES THIS PLAN RESPOND
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TO THAT? HAPPY TO? UM, SO YES, WE HAVE CONSIDERED IT, ACTUALLY, I PROBABLY HAVE DOZENS OF DRAWINGS OF, OF THAT, OF, OF ALL OF THIS ON, ON MY DESKS OVER THE, THE MONTHS AND YEARS.SO THE, THE OFFICE BUILDING IN PARTICULAR HAS ACTUALLY ROTATED 90 DEGREES AND SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF THIS PLAN.
UM, I, I THINK, I THINK AS THIS PLAN CONTINUES TO DEVELOP, WE CONTINUE TO STUDY IT.
WHAT I THINK IS, WAS INTERESTING ABOUT IT IN ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION, IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE, THE SITE PLAN IS IF STONE RIDGE COMES THROUGH AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AND IT STOPS AT DALE, THEN WHERE IT STOPS.
AND AS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE SHOPS AT RIVER RIDGE AND THOSE, THOSE YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP RIGHT, THERE'S THE EXISTING, UM, THE EXISTING RETAIL TENANTS THERE.
IF THAT BUILDING WERE TO STAY THERE, YOU COULD, YOU COULD REIMAGINE THE SPACE IN FRONT OF IT.
THAT'S CURRENTLY A PARKING LOT BECOMING STONE RIDGE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND SO THAT, AS THAT COMES THROUGH, AND SO THEN THE QUESTION IS, WELL, WHERE DOES STONE RIDGE END IF IT CAN'T MAKE ITS WAY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO RIVERSIDE DRIVE? AND IF YOU'VE STOOD UP IN THE SERVICE AREA BEHIND THE OLD MONTGOMERY INN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A STEEP CLIMB DOWN.
SO THE, THE GRADES, I THINK MAY PREVENT THAT, NOT THE LEAST WITH THE ENGINEERING.
THEN HAVING THAT OFFICE BUILDING AND THE CONFIGURATION THAT WE HAVE, IT ACTUALLY GIVES A, A PLACE FOR THAT ROAD TO STOP.
UM, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING.
UM, I THINK THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE THERE.
AND AGAIN, ASKING IT IS THEN IT, THERE COULD BE A DESIRE LINE, IT COULD BE TURNED INTO A PEDESTRIAN ROUTE THAT EITHER IT ACTUALLY COULD GO THROUGH A BUILDING MM-HMM
IT COULD BE A ARCHWAY OR SOMETHING, OR WHATEVER.
I'M JUST, AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT.
YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE CONSIDERED IT.
I, I KNOW THAT LOTS AND BLOCKS IS PART OF BRIDGE STREET, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THOSE PATTERNS.
SO I'LL, I'D JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE.
UM, I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE LOADING DOCK.
THE, THE MODEL WAS VERY HELPFUL.
IT APPEARS THAT THE LOADING DOCK AREA SERVICE AREA IS ACTUALLY ELEVATED, THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A RETAINING WALL ALONG RIVERSIDE DRIVE FOR THAT IF THE MODEL'S CORRECT.
AND SO, CHRIS, I'M ASKING, I GUESS, IS THE MODEL ACCURATE IN THAT RESPECT AND SO THAT THE, EVERYTHING'S ELEVATED AT THAT? I WAS THINKING THAT IT WAS DOWN AT STREET LEVEL, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S UP, IT'S JUST, JUST CONCEPT LEVEL
I, I THINK THERE'S A, A LANDSCAPE BI MOUNDING SCREENING FOR SURE, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, ELEVATED.
IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE ELEVATED.
A ABOVE THE OTHER, UM, IS, THIS ISN'T A, A, THIS WILL SOUND FUNNY, THIS ISN'T A BAD SERVICE AREA LOADING DOCK.
IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY A DOOR THAT EVERYTHING IS WITHIN THE BUILDING.
SO THERE AREN'T BIG KIND OF TRUCKS UP, UP TO A LOADING DOCK WITH LIGHTS FLASHING AND ALL OF THAT.
YOU, YOU KIND OF SERVE IN THE BUILDING.
UH, AND THAT'S A, AGAIN, A, A REQUIREMENT OF THE BRAND.
I, I DID SEE A DRAWING THAT SHOWED TRUCKS PULLING UP TO THAT EDGE OF THE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO GOING INTO IT.
AND THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO EXTEND THE LOADING DOCK OUT? AND ACTUALLY TRUCKS ARE DRIVING UNDER, SO YOU, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING DOWN ON THEM OR, I, I, AS IT DEVELOPS IT, IT WILL, I'LL ASSURE YOU THAT.
UM, I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE, I, UM, I'M ASKING QUESTIONS, RIGHT.
I'M STICKING TO QUESTIONS
THANK YOU, MR. WAY, JUST TO KEEP US ON OUR TOES.
WE'RE GONNA JUMP OVER TO MR. GARVIN.
UM, SO STICKING WITH QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
I THINK OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE CONNECTION IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT, BUT YOU MADE A COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT SEEING THAT CONNECTION, POTENTIAL CONNECTION, UM, FURTHER EAST.
WOULD THAT BE JUST IN REGARDS TO THAT COMMENT TO THAT KIND OF GENERAL VISION? OBVIOUSLY IN A CONCEPT PLAN, THIS IS VERY EARLY.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU SEE A POTENTIAL CONNECTION, UM, MORE, I GUESS THAT IS THAT, THAT BRICK HOUSE BLUE, OR, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THAT STRUCTURE THERE, BUT GOING INTO DALE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM, I'M NOT SORRY, THAT'S NOT DALE, THE NEW ROAD HERE.
YEAH, RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE, ZACH, IS THIS WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THAT, OR FURTHER NORTH WHEN YOU KIND OF JUST BASIC ENVISION, I'M SORRY.
AND I MEANT TO SAY FURTHER EAST, THE, THE HOPE WOULD BE KIND OF AS CLOSE TO THE BUILDING AS POSSIBLE.
THE REALITY IS MUCH DIFFERENT THERE.
THERE'S CERTAIN SAFETY STANDARDS OF, YOU KNOW, DIMENSION AWAY FROM THE ROUNDABOUT
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THAT A PEDESTRIAN, UH, WALKWAY, IF IT'S ON GRADE, WOULD, WOULD NEED TO BE A PARTICULAR DISTANCE.WHAT IT IS, I'M NOT SURE, UM, THE NEXT LOGICAL IS TO MAYBE ENHANCE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY MEASURES AT DALE.
UM, THAT'S ALSO KIND OF A NICE, UH, WALK PATH GOING INTO, UH, BRIDGE PARK AND SOME OF THE AMENITIES IN BRIDGE PARK UP IN THAT AREA KIND OF ARE GUIDING YOU TOWARDS THAT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE DEVELOPER OF BRIDGE PARK.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT THERE'S A, A GOOD CONNECTION BETWEEN, UH, THE TWO, UH, TWO YEARS AGO, A YEAR AGO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BRIDGES AND TUNNELS AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
THE REALITY AT THIS POINT IS IT'S MOST LIKELY FIRST A SORT OF AN ENHANCED, UH, PEDESTRIAN WALK PATH WITH PROBABLY BETTER, SAFER, UH, TRAFFIC STOPPING OR CALMING, UH, DEVICES.
SO I WOULD, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'D SAY IT'S MOST LIKELY A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH.
THERE'S ALSO A MEDIAN BETWEEN, UH, THE TWO SIDES, UH, GOING EAST AND WEST, UM, THAT WAS THOUGHT OF AS, COULD THAT BE KIND OF A, SORT OF A HALFWAY POINT TO STOP AT? BUT, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERS AND TRAFFIC PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, EVALUATING WHAT'S THE RIGHT DISTANCE OFF OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
THAT'LL OBVIOUSLY BE SOMETHING TO ADDRESS GOING FORWARD.
UM, AND THEN YOU GUYS MENTIONED THE DRONE TE OR BALLOON FLIGHTS.
CAN YOU GIMME ANY INSIGHT INTO FEEDBACK YOU GOT AFTER THAT? WHAT, YOU KNOW, DID YOU GET PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS, DID THAT, DID THAT CHANGE THE, THE LAIER? SO IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY, UM, THE THING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SET OUT TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT, WHAT, HOW DOES WHAT WE BUILD HERE AFFECT THE FOLKS THAT LIVE ON LILY MAR, THE FOLKS THAT LIVE ON MARTIN COURT, UM, AND WHAT ARE THEY ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE, RIGHT? AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PLANS LIKE THIS TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND WE KIND OF RACKED OUR BRAINS ABOUT WHAT TO DO.
AND WHAT WE FINALLY DECIDED WAS, WELL, WE HAVE A MODEL.
WE KNOW EXACTLY, WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE, THE BUILDING HEIGHT OF THIS THING AS, AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY WAS GOING TO BE.
WE CAN SEND A DRONE UP TO THAT BUILDING HEIGHT WITH A BUNCH OF BALLOONS ON TOP OF IT, AND WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN SEE IT.
AND IF WE CAN'T, THEN WE CAN SEND IT UP EVEN FURTHER UNTIL WE CAN SEE IT.
AND SO, UM, WHAT WE DETERMINED, AND I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK THROUGH EXACTLY WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE, BUT I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT WAS, IT WAS ALMOST 160 FEET IN THE AIR FROM WHEN YOU'RE STANDING.
WE WERE ALL STANDING ON MARTIN COURT THAT THE, THE LITTLE, UM, TURNAROUND WHERE IT'S ABOUT 160 FEET IN THE AIR FROM WHERE, SAY IT SAYS CONDOS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHERE WE SENT THAT DRONE UP BEFORE IT PEAKED ABOVE THE TREE LINE.
SO THAT IS ABOUT 40 FEET BELOW THE TOP, THE HIGHEST POINT OF OUR BUILDING.
SO WHAT THAT, AND THAT WAS REALLY JUST TO, JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE A SENSE OF COMFORT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS TALL, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS DENSE.
WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE ALSO UNDERSTANDS IS THAT YOU WILL NOT SEE IT FROM MARTIN ROAD AND YOU, BUT YOU DIDN'T DO THAT WITH THE HOTEL SIDE.
WE, WE ACTUALLY, WE RAN IT ON A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SPOTS.
BUT WE, WE TRIED TO GIVE IT THE BEST POSSIBLE SHOT OF BEING SEEN, AND AT NO POINT COULD WE EVEN WITHIN, LIKE I SAID, 40 FEET OR SO, SEE THE TOP, UH, BEFORE IT CRESTED THOSE TREES.
SO WHEN THAT WAS DONE WITH, WITH THE NAME, THE FLYING, THE DRONE, THE, THE BUILDING WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT 15 FEET HIGHER AT THAT POINT.
WHEN WE DID THAT, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING NOW, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL IS 116 FEET ABOVE RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
SO FROM STREET LEVEL, UM, TO THE HIGH POINT OF THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
AND WE'RE 105 FEET TO THE HIGH POINT OF THE HOTEL.
SO IN, IN THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, I HAD MENTIONED, WE BENT THE BUILDING ALSO KIND OF BROUGHT SOME THINGS DOWN IN HOW WE DEALT WITH CEILING HEIGHTS AND STRUCTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE, IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPACT, BUT AS RUS SAID, WHEN IT WAS FLOWN AT THE HEIGHT, IT WAS AT THAT POINT, WHICH IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WHAT WE'RE AT NOW.
IT WASN'T SEEN, AND IT WAS LIKE, LET'S KEEP GOING UP UNTIL YOU SEE IT.
WHAT IS THAT HEIGHT? WHAT WAS IT? A HUNDRED AND ABOUT 160 FEET.
SO THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, 45 FEET HIGHER THAN WHAT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS WITH TREES AND STUFF IN BACKYARDS, BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, CONTROL THAT VIEW.
AND JUST ONE LAST QUESTION, UM, NOT OBVIOUSLY CONDITIONAL BY ANY MEANS, BUT, UM, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, THE THE FEEDBACK YOU'RE GETTING FROM HOTELIERS IS THAT THERE IS MORE DEMAND IN THE AREA, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, THE, THE AC AND THE SPRING HILL ARE JUST, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING EXCEPTIONALLY WELL.
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MARRIOTT KNOWS ALL ABOUT THIS PROJECT.THEY'RE INCREDIBLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
SO THE, THE ENTRANCE OR THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE WE'RE SEEING HERE OFF OF 1 61, HAS THE, HAS THE TRAFFIC STUDY BEEN DONE ON THAT ENTRANCE? AND YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THE, THE PRIVATE ACCESS HALFWAY BETWEEN DALE AND THE ROUNDABOUT? ROUNDABOUT, YES.
SO WE HAVE SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS THAT STILL NEED TO OCCUR OKAY.
WITH OUR ENGINEERING TEAM TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S, UM, ONE SOMETHING THAT IS POSSIBLE.
AND TWO, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD WANT ON, ITS ON ITS STREET NETWORK.
UM, I THINK IT WAS LISTED IN THE PLAYING REPORT, BUT PRIVATE ACCESS OR PRIVATE ACCESS POINTS ONTO PRINCIPAL STREETS, SUCH AS 1 61 ARE IN GENERAL NOT PERMITTED UNLESS THE CITY ENGINEER, UM, PERMITS HAVE.
SO WE HAVE SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS THAT WE STILL NEED TO HAVE.
UM, I KNOW THEY'RE PROVIDING THIS ON THEIR PLANS CURRENTLY, JUST TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANY FEEDBACK OR SUPPORT FOR THAT, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT AT THAT POINT YET.
AND, AND IF, AND JUST TO, TO CLARIFY FOR THAT, IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE CURRENTLY THINKING OF IT AS A RIGHT OUT ONLY.
SO IT'S KIND OF ONE WAY IN THAT DIRECTION.
THE, THE, THE BIGGER THING THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO US ABOUT THAT NORTH SOUTH ROAD IS NOT NECESSARILY, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO CONNECT TO 1 61.
WHAT WE LOVE ABOUT WHAT IT DOES IS THAT IT BREAKS THE BLOCK DOWN, RIGHT? AND SO ONE OF THE FEED, THE FEEDBACK WE GOT PREVIOUSLY WAS THIS KIND OF A SUPER BLOCK.
AND SO THE IDEA THAT THAT COULD START TO FEEL LIKE A ROAD NETWORK, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T DIRECTLY CONNECT, WE THINK IS A POSITIVE.
I THINK THE, THE CONCEPT WORKS AND UNFORTUNATELY, I, I'M JUST NOT SURE.
AND IF IT'S IMPLEMENTED, UH, IT'S ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE THE FIRST CASE WE HAD TONIGHT.
UM, SO I, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE VOLUME HERE, AND EVEN IF IT'S A, IT'S ALMOST WORSE THAT IT'S A RIGHT TURNOUT ACTUALLY.
UM, A RIGHT TURN IN PROBABLY IS SOMEWHAT FEASIBLE, BUT YOUR RIGHT TURNOUT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING A CAR IN THE STREAM OF TRAFFIC WHEN IT'S ALREADY JAM PACKED AND PEOPLE FLY UP, UH, EAST ON THAT.
SO CAN WE GO REAL QUICK? UM, CHRIS, QUESTION FOR YOU.
I, IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN DISCUSSED.
I'M NOT SURE I MISSED SOMETHING.
IS THERE A, A, A PARKING GARAGE UNDER THE OFFICE BUILDING OR WHAT'S, IS THERE NO, THERE'S ACTUALLY, THE OFFICE BUILDING IS, UH, UH, BUILT ON GRADE AND ABOVE.
UH, AND PART OF THE PARKING CAPACITY OF THAT 500 INCLUDES THE OFFICE BUILDING.
SO THAT'S COME UP OUT OF THE GARAGE AND KIND OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THE UPPER CORNER NEAR WHERE IT SAYS EVENT, UH, AND IT'S A WALK OVER TO THE, UM, OFFICE, WHICH IS HOW A LOT OF BRIDGE PARK HAS DONE.
NO, I, I JUST, AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF WHAT KATHY WAS SAYING, I, I AM, UH, FOUR FLOORS, MULTIPLE TENANTS.
WHERE WOULD THE OVERFLOW PARKING BE? WHAT IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH? UH, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S, HERE WE GO.
MATTHEW STAR 66 40 RIVERSIDE DRIVE, JUST TRYING TO KEEP EVERYBODY ON THEIR TOES AND BRING A DIFFERENT SPEAKER UP HERE.
UM, YEAH, WE, WE WILL, WE WILL KEEP STUDYING A LOT.
TO ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU ASKED, OVERFLOW PARKING, UM, WOULD BE LIKELY BEHIND THE EXISTING SHOPS AT RIVERRIDGE, YOU CAN SORT OF SEE THAT BAND OF PARKING THERE.
UH, IT'S PROBABLY VERY FRESHLY, UH, PAINTED AND, UH, ASPHALT IS PROBABLY PRETTY NEW 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T GET USED VERY OFTEN.
I, I DON'T HAVE ACCOUNT FOR YOU.
I HAVE TO GO BACK THERE AND SEE HOW MANY SPACES ARE THERE.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT UTILIZED VERY OFTEN.
WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TO HAVE THE OFFICE HAVING ITS OWN DESIGNATED PARKING AREA IN SOME FORM OR FASHION? NO, BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THAT MAXIMUM USAGE OUT OF IT.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE TIME AND OF DAY AND THE DAYS OF THE WEEK OF THE USAGE OF THE OFFICE, IT, IT PAIRS VERY NICELY WITH THE EVENTS IN THE HOTEL.
AND SO WE'RE COUNTING ON THAT.
WE, WE HAVE THAT MODEL ALREADY, REALLY ACROSS THE STREET WITH AN OFFICE BUILDING IN THE AC.
SO WE SORT OF KNOW WHAT THOSE METRICS LOOK LIKE.
BUT WE'LL BRING THAT MOUTH TO YOU THROUGH, OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
THE, CHRIS, GOING BACK, I THINK SOMEBODY ASKED THE QUESTION, UH, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN JAMIE, ABOUT THE
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KIND OF, THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT, EAST OF THE CONDOS, THAT ENTRANCE THERE INTO THE PARKING GARAGE.DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT? THAT'S GONNA BE ESSENTIALLY THE PRIVATE ENTRANCE JUST FOR THE OWNERS OF THE CONDOS? YEAH.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE IN AND OUT PROBABLY BY GATED ACCESS OR SOMETHING.
SO DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF, DOES THAT ROAD GET TO GO TO RIGHT.
BROOKLYN GRANDVILLE, UM, IF SAY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, DEEMED FEASIBLE, PROBABLY STILL HAVE THAT.
OH, I LIKE, NO, I THINK, I THINK THAT DRIVE RIGHT.
AND AGAIN, IT'S FOR THE, THE SORT OF THE LEVEL OF RESIDENCE, BUT IT'S ALSO, AS RUSS MENTIONED, WHAT WHAT IT'S DOING FIGURATIVELY IS, IS SORT OF CREATING THE BLOCK OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND STARTING TO SET UP POTENTIALLY HOW THE OTHER ROADWAY, UH, LAYOUT HAPPENS FOR THE REST GOING, GOING EAST.
IS IT GONNA BE FROM A PARKING PERSPECTIVE, I'M ONLY BASING THIS OFF OF THE OTHER BRIDGE PARK BUILDINGS, BOTH ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE WHERE THERE'S DESIGNATED SPOTS FOR CERTAIN TENANTS.
ARE YOU THINKING THAT FOR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE PRIVATE CONDO SPOTS, HOWEVER THOSE ARE GONNA BE FORMED MM-HMM
BUT IS, ARE THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE WORKING IN THE HOTEL RESTAURANT OFFICE GONNA HAVE CERTAIN DESIGNATED SPOTS? YEAH.
IS THE, THERE'S A, THERE'S PLANS FOR ENTIRE PORTIONS OF THE GARAGE THAT IS DEDICATED TOWARDS STAFF.
THERE'S ALSO AREAS THAT ARE FOR, THEY'RE DESIGNED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY WHEN IT'S FOR VALET.
BECAUSE OF HOW THEY CAN STACK.
UM, THERE'S AREAS FOR, UH, RESIDENTS AND CONCIERGE SORT OF VALET TYPE, UH, LAYOUT.
SO THE, THE GARAGE IS NOT JUST A LOT OF SPACES AND JUST A STANDARD GARAGE.
THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT AS TO LIKE, HOW DO YOU MAXIMIZE THE EFFICIENCY OF IT BASED ON THE USE WITHIN THIS PROPERTY.
PREDOMINANTLY THESE ARE VALET FUNCTIONS IN THIS TYPE OF HOTEL, THE RESIDENTIAL, AND ACTUALLY FOR THE RESTAURANT COMPONENTS AS WELL.
I MEAN THAT, BECAUSE THAT, I, I, I GATHERED, THAT'S THE INTENTION.
THE INTENTION IS IF I'M COMING IN TO HAVE DINNER OR I'M COMING TO THE HOTEL, I'M GONNA USE THE VALET TYPICALLY.
AND THOSE SPOTS ARE GONNA BE RESERVED UNDERNEATH IN THAT PARKING GARAGE? YES.
ARE THERE ANY SPOTS ARE JUST GONNA BE FOR SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T WANT TO PAY FOR VALET AND WANTS TO COME HAVE A DINNER? OF COURSE.
SO GETTING BACK TO MY POINT, WHAT IF I'M DOWN THERE AND I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO PAY FOR VALET, BUT THE ONLY SPOTS THAT ARE LEFT ARE FOR THE EMPLOYEES OR THE HOTEL, UH, RESIDENTS THAT ARE STAYING THAT NIGHT, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF.
AND THEN ARE YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA FORCE ME TO ILLEGALLY PARK IN THE WENDY'S PARKING LOT, OR THAT'S WHY I KINDA ASKED ABOUT THE OVERFLOW.
'CAUSE THERE, THERE HAS TO BE A GAME PLAN FOR THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK EVEN DOWN IN BRIDGE PARK NOW, THERE ARE TIMES LIKE, MY GOODNESS, I HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROOF TO GET A SPOT, WHICH IS GREAT FOR BUSINESS.
I, I GET THAT, BUT THAT DOESN'T EXIST ON THIS SIDE.
I WAS JUST THINKING THROUGH THESE NUMBERS AS I WAS SITTING DOWN AND THINKING ABOUT THE POINT I WAS MAKING ABOUT ACROSS THE STREET, WE ALMOST HAVE THE SAME PROGRAM IN SOME RESPECTS.
WE HAVE A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT EVENT CENTER, 78,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING, PLUS A BOSS, PLUS A LITTLE BAR IN THE GARAGE.
THERE'S 468 SPACES IN THAT GARAGE, JUST FOR CONTEXT.
AND THAT GARAGE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I SEE IT FULL VERY OFTEN.
WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA BRING YOU THE MATH.
WE HAVE TO SHOW YOU THE MATH, BUT THAT JUST WANTS YOU TO THINK THROUGH THAT AND DRIVE THAT GARAGE MAYBE BEFORE THE, WE COME BACK.
BUT IT'S, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME.
THE OTHER ONE FINAL POINT ON THAT TOO IS THAT WE KNOW FROM THE AC WE WOULD EXPECT THE SAME HERE, ABOUT 50 TO 60% OF THE PATRONS ARRIVE VIA UBER OR LYFT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG COMPONENT OF THE HOTEL GUEST.
AND THE, UH, CHRIS GOING WITH, AND THIS, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT GENTLEMAN'S NAME, BUT IT MIGHT BE FOR HIM TOO.
IF WE'RE, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS, UH, AND I'M GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH DALE DRIVE AND IT DEAD ENDS AND IT LOOKS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, LIKE A LITTLE GAZEBO OR A FRONT STOREFRONT, THERE IS THAT ACCESS ROAD THAT I'M ABLE TO GET AROUND THE OFFICE.
GET INSTEAD OF USING THE WHAT THAT BOULEVARD.
WHERE, WHERE YOU SEE DALE DRIVE IN SORT OF GRAY, THAT'S ALL EXISTING.
THE, THE DRIVE THAT KIND OF VEERS OFF TO THE RIGHT IS ALSO EXISTING.
OBVIOUSLY IT'D BE MAYBE A LITTLE RECONFIGURED JUST BECAUSE OF THE NEW, UH, THE GROVE THAT'S OUT IN FRONT.
BUT THE INTENT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU STILL HAVE FULL PERIMETER AROUND, UH, THAT EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER AND THE, THE OCTAGON THAT YOU SEE, IT'S A KIND OF A GLASSY FEATURE ON THE, THE BILLING.
IT'S A KIND OF A HIGHER VOLUME.
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ONE OF THE SPACES.SO THIS GOT BROUGHT UP, UH, I DUNNO IF IT'S BOTH FOR, FOR ZACH OR FOR CHRIS, WHAT HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION, UH, AND I DON'T NOT NECESSARILY TALK ABOUT WHAT KIM HAD BROUGHT UP ABOUT THAT ROAD COMING ALL THE WAY THROUGH, BUT EVEN JUST A RIGHT TURN IN OFF A RIVERSIDE UP INTO THE, THE AREA.
HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED? BECAUSE I GET THE, I GET LEAVING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT FROM A GRADE PERSPECTIVE IT'S A LOT EASIER TO GO UPGRADE.
UH, HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED TO OFFSET POTENTIALLY GETTING, YOU KNOW, HAVING GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND THROUGH THIS, IF YOU CAN JUST HOP IN OFF OF RIVERSIDE? SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DID, UH, LOOK AT PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO, I WOULD SAY.
SO WE ACTUALLY HIRED AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT, WHICH WAS THE ENGINEER THAT DID THE ROUNDABOUT TO STUDY A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE WAS, UH, THAT WAS BACK WHEN WE WERE THINKING ABOUT A BRIDGE OVER THE OVER 1 61, BUT THE OTHER WAS EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST ASKED.
THEY SAID IT COULD NOT BE DONE.
THEY DID NOT RECOMMEND ANY, ANY IN EGRESS OR INGRESS FROM RIVERSIDE DRIVE ONTO THIS SITE.
SO AT THAT POINT, WE KIND OF PUT IT TO BED.
WE FIGURED THEY WERE, THEY WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
AND ALONG THOSE LINES AS WELL, I MEAN OUTSIDE OF YOU, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT STUDYING THIS 1 61 IN RIVERSIDE DRIVE SHARE THE SAME DESIGNATION.
AND WE REALLY TRY TO LIMIT HOW MANY ACCESS POINTS WE HAVE ON THESE DRIVES BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE TRAFFIC VOLUME IS THE LARGEST ON THESE STREETS.
THE MORE, THE MORE IMPACTS YOU MAKE AND THE MORE ACCESS POINTS YOU ADD, THE MORE IMPACTS YOU HAVE TO THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND POTENTIAL QUEUING.
SO THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, RIVERSIDE DRIVE, IT'D BE VERY UNLIKELY THAT WE WOULD HAVE A PRIVATE ACCESS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN WITH THE 1 61, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SEVERAL CHALLENGES TO PUTTING THAT THERE AS WELL BECAUSE IT IS AN EXISTING QUEUING LANE FOR RIGHT TURN AND THEN THE PROXIMITY TO THE ROUNDABOUTS.
SO IT'S, THAT'S WHY NOT JUST THIS SITE, BUT ANYWHERE ALONG THIS CORRIDOR, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE CHALLENGES TO THAT, THAT WE JUST HAVE TO WEIGH.
RELATIVE TO THE LANDSCAPING, I THINK THE LEVELS BRINGS, UH, A DIFFERENT CONCEPT TO HIDE THE GARAGE ASPECT.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY TYPE OF LIKE STONE MONUMENT STRUCTURES OR WATER FEATURES TO BE PROMINENT ON THAT CORNER? HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED? YEAH, GOOD QUESTION.
I THINK YOU COULD SEE AS, YOU KNOW, CHRIS ALLUDED TO, WE'RE STILL IN CONCEPT, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT THE LANDSCAPE OF DUBLIN AND RIVERSIDE PARK AND RIVERSIDE DRIVE BECOME PART OF THAT CORRIDOR, I THINK WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, THINK FAVORABLY ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD EXPLORE.
HAVE, HAVE YOU EITHER HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OR ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO EXTEND YOUR ENHANCEMENTS OUT TO THE END OF DALE DRIVE TO STRENGTHEN THE FORMALIZATION OF YOUR ENTRY YEAH.
AS DRAWN? UM, WHERE BETWEEN FROM DALE DRIVE, UM, CONNECTING DALE DRIVE IN YEAH.
FROM DALE DRIVE IN TO THE DEVELOPMENT, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT? YEAH.
I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE THE LOGICAL CONNECTION BOTH VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN, AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, IS DALE DRIVE.
AND YOU TALKED ABOUT DALE DRIVE AS YOUR GATEWAY.
SO MY QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO EXTEND SOME OF YOUR IMPROVEMENTS OUT TO 1 61 MM-HMM
ALONG DALE 1 61 TO STRENGTHEN THAT ENTRY POINT AND CONNECTION? SO DALE DRIVE FROM OUR ENTRY POINT TO 1 61 IS A PUBLIC STREET, AND THEN IT SWITCHES TO PRIVATE ONCE WE BASICALLY UNDERSTOOD, KINDA SEE THE LINE THERE.
I THINK BOTH FROM AN IMPROVEMENT STANDPOINT AS IT RELATES TO DALE DRIVE AND ALSO AS IT RELATES TO PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY NORTH, WE WOULD WELCOME THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO, TO, TO IMPROVE THAT CONNECTION BECAUSE THAT, THAT HELPS EVERYBODY, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, BUT THAT, THAT IS ALL PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
BUT THE CITY'S GONNA MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.
IT MAKES SENSE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.
COORDINATE WITH, UM, A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND SOME OF THAT, ZACH IS IN THE 1 61 CORRIDOR STUDY, RIGHT? YEP.
WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS INTERSECTION ALONG WITH,
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YOU KNOW, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE CROSSWALK AT THE ROUNDABOUT.IT'S NOT JUST FOCUSING ON, YOU KNOW, 1 61 ITSELF.
IT'S LOOKING AT ALL OF THE STREET CONNECTIONS THAT ARE PERPENDICULAR TO IT.
AND THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST PATH FORWARD TO CONVERT DALE DRIVE TO PUBLIC, WHICH IS WHAT'S EXPECTED WITH THE STREET NETWORK PLAN.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE CERTAINLY CONSIDERED AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW DO WE UPDATE THAT STREETS SCAPE, UM, 'CAUSE I THINK IT IS BOULEVARD AT CURRENTLY WHERE THEY'RE SHOWING THAT ACCESS POINT, WHICH JUST IS GONNA BE A MAJOR CHALLENGE, UH, SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD.
I ALSO JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
HAVE YOU CONTEMPLATED WHAT HAPPENS LANDSCAPING WISE? SHOULD THAT INTERSECTION ON 1 61 WITH THE PRIVATE DRIVE NOT GO OUT TO 1 61, BUT RATHER END? SO YOU HAVE PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR, BUT NO VEHICULAR ACCESS ONTO 1 61.
THE, THE NORTH SOUTH DRIVE ALONG THE BUILDING RIGHT NORTH? YEAH.
I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, LIKE RUSS SAID, AND CHRIS ALLUDED TO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO US THAT THAT BE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FEATURES OF THE BLOCK THAT MAKES THIS FEEL LIKE BRIDGE PARK, MEANING GREAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, A SCALE TO THESE PLACES.
SO IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE LANDSCAPE, LIKE YOU WOULD EXPECT THE QUALITY OF BRIDGE PARK, BUT, UM, NOT NECESSARILY MAKE THAT STREET CONNECTION.
SO HIGH QUALITY PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPE FEATURES, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
A VERY OBVIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, ATTITUDE ABOUT PEDESTRIAN ROUTING AND WHATNOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YOU GUYS ARE TROOPERS,
WITH THAT, UH, I WILL CLOSE QUESTIONS AND OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND PLEASE KEEP THE, UH, COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS CLIFF FERRELL, 31 99 MARTIN ROAD.
UM, I SPENT ABOUT, FIRST I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING TONIGHT.
I SPENT ABOUT 12 TO 15 YEARS IN FRONT OF COLUMBUS'S DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION REPRESENTING A NEIGHBORHOOD CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
I WOULD'VE GIVEN MY RIGHT ARM TO HAVE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ALL ARE ASKING TONIGHT ASKED AT THOSE MEETINGS.
SO I APPRECIATE IT AND I KNOW IT'S DETAILED AND IT'S MINUTE MINUTIA TO SOME, BUT I APPRECIATE IT.
UM, I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS AND SO I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST SORT OF SAY THEM IN, IN ORDER OR NO PARTICULAR ORDER.
FIRST, AS YOU'RE COMING FROM OLD DUBLIN ACROSS THE BRIDGE, LET'S BE CLEAR, YOU WILL BE LOOKING AT A 10 STORY BUILDING.
THERE IS NO UNDERGROUND GARAGE.
IT'S, UH, THERE, THE UNDERGROUND IS THAT THERE'S THE 30 FOOT DROP.
AND SO THOSE FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, WENDY'S DOWN, AND SO IT WILL BE ABOVE GROUND.
UH, THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD GET THROUGH THAT IS IF YOU DID BLASTING.
AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO BLASTING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, A HALF, CLOSE TO A HALF, 450,000 SQUARE FEET ON FOUR AND A HALF ACRES.
THIS IS HUGE AND WE'RE TRAPPED.
THERE WAS ONE PICTURE YOU HAD WITH THE, UM, LAYOUT, UH, RIGHT THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTH SIDE OF RIVERSIDE DRIVE, THAT'S ALL DEVELOPED.
THAT GOES DOWN ALL THE WAY DOWN 33.
THERE ARE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE DOWN ALONG THE RIVER.
THERE ARE HOMES IN BUILDINGS TO THE LEFT.
UM, IN TERMS OF, AND I, I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTIONS.
I'M PARKING BECAUSE I HAVE LOTS OF THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.
BUT I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M THINKING THIS IS GONNA GENERATE THOUSANDS OF TRIPS A DAY BETWEEN THE OFFICE AND THE HOTEL.
AND THERE'S NOWHERE MUCH MORE FOR IT TO GO.
I, I NOW GO TO WORK AT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING SO THAT I CAN VOID THE CIRCLE BECAUSE BY SEVEN 30, IF THERE'S EVEN THE SLIGHTEST PROBLEM, TRAFFIC'S BACKED UP ON THE CIRCLE ALL THE WAY.
I'VE SEEN IT BACKED ALL THE WAY UP TO DALE DRIVE, UM, DURING RUSH HOUR COMING NORTH ON RIVERSIDE, DRIVE TOWARDS THE CIRCLE.
I GO EITHER GO HOME EARLY OR GO HOME LATE SO THAT I CAN AVOID ALL THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT'S JUST BACKED UP.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO FLOW THIS WAY OR IS SUPPOSED TO, TO, UH, IMPROVE THE FLOW, BUT THE REALITY
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IS, IT JUST MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, MARTIN WROTE IT.UM, RUSH HOUR IS, IS THE, THE WHOLE, UH, WEST END IS, IS BLOCKED.
UM, THE, THE PHRASE I HEARD, AND I, AND, AND IT STUCK WITH ME, WAS THAT A BIG BUILDING LIKE THIS NEEDED THIS ATTENTION.
WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND THE, THE NICETIES.
THE ONLY TIME I REMEMBER SOMEBODY AT DEVELOPMENT CHRISTIAN SAYING THE RIGHT THING WAS, IF WE'RE SPENDING THAT MUCH TIME ON THIS NOW WE MUST BE TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING.
AND I'VE, I'VE SAID BEFORE TO TO, TO THE DEVELOPERS THAT I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO SHOEHORN TOO MUCH IN HERE.
UM, AND IT, IT MAY WORK, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA CREATE A WHOLE SET OF PROBLEMS WITH TRAFFIC THAT, THAT NOBODY HAS UH, ADDRESSED ADEQUATELY.
WE UNDERSTAND, AT LEAST I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROPOSAL, SOME OF IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS DOESN'T END UP DESTROYING MARTIN ROAD, DESTROYING THE RESIDENCES IN THE AREA.
AND SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANNA SPEAK.
I LIVE AT 32 80 LILY MAR COURT, WHICH IS JUST TO THE SOUTH AND EAST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I HAD SOME PLANS OF WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, AND SOME OF IT'S BEEN BLOWN UP TONIGHT BY THE VARIOUS PRESENTATIONS.
I'LL TRY AND BE QUICK ABOUT THIS, BUT I ALSO WANT TO TIE TOGETHER ALL THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS TONIGHT, THESE FOUR DIFFERENT TOPICS IN THE INTERPLAY IN THEM.
SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, ALWAYS WANT TO BE CLEAR.
WE, THE NEIGHBORS RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED AND WILL BE DEVELOPED.
PERSONALLY, I FIND THIS EXTRAORDINARILY CLEVER AND BUILDING INTO THE HILL AND A WHOLE BIT.
AND IF I WERE IN YOUR SHOES, I WOULD PROPOSE IT EXCEPT FOR THE HEIGHT.
SO THE, THE REMARK BY THE APPLICANT WAS, OH, THERE'LL BE, HERE'S WHAT I WROTE DOWN.
TWO TOWERS, EIGHT STORIES AND SEVEN STORIES.
THE WHOLE BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR.
SO I'LL GUESS AT 10 YEARS AGO THIS PARCEL WAS ZONED, WAS GIVEN A DESIGNATION INTO BRIDGE IN ZONING.
AND I'LL LOOK TO THE, UM, LAW OFFICER THAT ZONING TRUMPS ALL.
'CAUSE TONIGHT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO TIE TOGETHER, UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS A VERY BROAD BRUSH, THE BRIDGE STREET PLAN, BUT ZONING AND THAT THE ZONING DESIGNATION, I FORGET THE WHOLE CODE BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR, SOMETHING, SOMETHING ORIGINALLY FIVE STORIES MAX.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT FOR THE WHOLE BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR.
BUT IN THIS CHAMBER FOR CITY COUNCIL, AND I WANT TO SAY JANUARY, 2023, BUT I'LL GO LOOK IT UP.
AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MADE A REMARK AND THEY SAID, THIS IS MOST PECULIAR.
WE'VE HAD A REQUEST TO REZONE THIS PARCEL THAT WOULD ALLOW A SIX STORY BUILDING, BUT NO SPECIFIC PLAN AT THIS TIME.
MOST OF THE TESTIMONY WAS, PLEASE DON'T DO IT.
BUT I WILL CONTACT MY WARD ONE COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE AND ASK FOR THE RECORD TO BE PULLED.
I'M ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT THAT'S THE CODE.
SIX STORIES MAX AND SIX STORIES IS SIX STORIES.
IF THIS COULD BE, UH, DONE AT SIX STORIES, THAT'D BE ALL RIGHT.
SO MY OTHER POINT ON THESE OTHER PARCELS, BOY ZONING DECISIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
BOY, I FELT SOME HURT OVER HERE WHEN THE FOLKS ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT, UH, PARCEL TO THE NORTH WHERE SOME DECISION WAS MADE YEARS AGO.
SO HERE, DECISIONS WERE MADE JUST TWO YEARS AGO, AND WE GOTTA STAND BY THAT.
SO I, AND NEIGHBORS WILL GIVE YOU COVER P AND Z YOU SAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE A NEAT CONCEPT, BUT THIS DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE RULE SIX STORIES.
I'LL JUST, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
THE, UH, UH, ONE OTHER REMARK THAT CAME UP TONIGHT SENSITIVE TO NEIGHBORS.
SOME, SOMEONE, ONE OF THESE PROPOSALS SAID WE'D LIKE TO BE SENSITIVE TO NEIGHBORS.
OKAY, LET'S BE SENSITIVE TO THE ZONING.
OH, I KNOW WHAT I WANT TO SAY.
A YEAR AGO OR SO, WHEN THIS CAME UP
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BEFORE, UH, THE BUZZ IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE MOST EXCITING PART WAS THE PROSPECT OF A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.AND THERE WAS GREAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SWIRL OF THE SIDEWALK AND HOW IT CAME UP AROUND AND TO THE TERRACE AND A LITTLE ARCH BRIDGE OVER 1 61 THAT HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUZZING WITH EXCITEMENT.
SO THIS MAKES ME SAD TO HEAR THAT.
UM, THAT'S NOT IN THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT BECAUSE BOY, IF THIS IS A CRAWFORD HOING PROJECT AND THEY HAVE OTHER THINGS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET TO GET ACROSS ONE SIXTY ONE, CALL ME SOMETIME AND WE'LL GO FOR A WALK AND I'LL, UH, I'LL ASK YOU TO WALK WITH ME.
I'VE TRAVERSED THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND IT IS JUST SCARY.
UM, I'M GLAD THAT NO ONE'S BEEN TAKEN OUT AND, UH, I'D RATHER THE CITY NOT WAIT UNTIL SOMEONE GETS, UH, SERIOUSLY INJURED OR KILLED.
UH, TRYING TO GET AROUND THERE.
AN OVERHEAD SWEEP THAT TIES THESE TOGETHER WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL BOON FOR ALL OF SOUTHEAST DUBLIN.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
UM, I OWN POLISHED HAIR AND NAILS, WHICH IS IN THE SHOPS AT RIVER RIDGE.
I'M ON THE EAST SIDE CLOSER TO ANN TAYLOR LOFT.
UM, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
AND MY COMMENT IS THERE IS A LOT OF PARKING.
UM, YES, THERE'S SOME PARKING BEHIND THE SHOPS BUILDINGS THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE, BUT WHAT YOU DON'T SEE IS BEHIND THE PINT ROOM OR WHAT WAS FORMALLY THE PINT ROOM.
THERE IS SO MUCH PARKING THERE THAT IS NOT UTILIZED.
THERE'S PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE ROWS OF PARKING THAT IS NEVER USED.
AND WITH A DEVELOPMENT THERE THAT IS GOING TO POSSIBLY FORCE PEOPLE TO PARK THAT FAR AWAY FROM YOUR BUILDING IS GONNA CREATE FOOT TRAFFIC FOR THE REST OF THE BUSINESSES THERE.
AND WE WOULD ALL APPRECIATE THAT.
I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS THERE 13 YEARS AND I'D LIKE TO STAY.
SO, UM, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT, AND I HOPE TO SEE THIS PROGRESS IN WHATEVER WAY IT WORKS FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? JOE CARANO 3 3 9 0 MARTIN ROAD.
UH, IN, IN THE PAST WHEN THIS WAS PROPOSED, UM, I, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, ALL OF YOU SAID WAS, UH, SIX FOOT WAS THE, YOUR SIX STORIES WAS THE CODE.
AND THEN I SAW WHEN YOU HAD FLASHED THAT UP THERE THAT YOU SAID, WELL, THIS IS CONSIDERED A, UH, CORRIDOR OR A GATEWAY, UH, STRUCTURE.
SO NOW IT'S UP TO EIGHT STORIES.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT DETERMINES WHAT A, YOU KNOW, A GATEWAY OR CORRIDOR, UH, STRUCTURE IS? BECAUSE WHEN WE SAT IN THESE MEETINGS, OH, A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO AGO, AND THEY PROPOSED A BUILDING TO THE NORTH, AT THE NORTH END OF BRIDGE PARK, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, NO, IT'S GOTTA BE SIX STORIES.
BUT WOULDN'T THAT QUALIFY AS, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE GATEWAY INTO BRIDGE PARK IN THAT WHOLE WHOLE AREA? I THINK THAT THE DECEIVING THING IS JUST THE DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION THERE.
UH, AS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS SAID, YOU KNOW, TO, TO SAY THAT THIS PARKING GARAGE IS UNDERGROUND IS KIND OF MISLEADING.
IT IS UNDERGROUND WHEN YOU'RE STANDING TO THE EAST, BUT WHEN YOU'RE ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE AND ALL THE IMPORTANT SIDE AREAS, IT'S, IT'S THREE STORIES UP OUT OF THE GROUND.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS, IS, IS CRITICAL.
AND LIKE SCOTT SAID, YOU KNOW, I, WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED LONG TERM, UM, BUT JUST TO STAY WITHIN THE CODE, AND I FELT SORRY FOR A LOT OF THOSE NEIGHBORS UP ON SUMMIT VIEW AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THE AVERAGE PERSON, I KNOW THAT NOTICES GO OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT MOST PEOPLE HAVE THINGS GOING ON IN THEIR LIVES.
THEY CAN'T ATTEND ALL THESE MEETINGS AND, AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND IT FEELS LIKE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE CONGRESS SOMETIMES WHERE THEY'RE SNEAKING THINGS IN ON BILLS AND STUFF WITHOUT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON.
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THINK A LOT OF US LOOK AT ALL OF YOU AS AS BEING IN PLACE HERE TO HELP PROTECT US AND LOOK AFTER THESE THINGS AND, AND ENFORCE, UH, THE CODE THAT'S ALREADY WRITTEN DOWN.UH, I WAS PRESENT AND I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, DISAGREE WITH THEM.
I WAS PRESENT WHEN THE DRONE WENT UP AND YOU COULD SEE IT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THE DOME OF THE OLD MONTGOMERY INN FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, GAIL GRIFFITH'S HOUSE ON MARTIN COURT THERE.
AND SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, OKAY, YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, SEE A DRONE MAYBE OVER THE TREES OR WHATEVER, BUT A DRONE'S NOT THE SAME AS SEVERAL HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, FEET OF A BUILDING LENGTH THAT'S GONNA SHOW UP.
SO I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO, YOU KNOW, STICK WITH THE CODE AND NOT MAKE EXCEPTIONS.
ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS CASE WE RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL? OKAY.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
WE WILL MOVE RIGHT THROUGH DELIBERATIONS.
SO I WILL, I'M GONNA PICK ON YOU AGAIN MR. GARVIN, 'CAUSE I'M TOO TIRED TO MAKE A DIFFERENT DECISION.
UM, YEAH, SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
I LOVE THE USE FOR IT, BUT I WOULD ECHO A LOT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCALE ONCE YOU'RE STACKING IT ON TOP OF THE GARAGE AND SPECIFICALLY FROM THAT ANGLE COMING ACROSS BRIDGE STREET, ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, A LOT OF THE OTHER CONCERNS I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T REALLY ADDRESS THE, UH, CONNECTION FOR PEDESTRIANS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A STUDY GOING ON AND THERE'S LIMITATIONS THERE.
UM, THAT'S A, A HUGE CONCERN FOR ME.
THAT'S PROBABLY MY TOP CONCERN WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS IS THAT IT'S NOT ON A SEPARATE ISLAND.
UM, BUT BEYOND THAT, THE HEIGHT, UM, DOES SEEM INTENSIVE.
UH, I THINK, UH, THOSE CONCERNS WERE LAID A LITTLE BIT WITH THE COMPARISON TO AC AND I APPRECIATE GETTING THE VIEW THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR LAST TIME.
WE DISCUSSED THIS OF KIND OF THAT SKYLINE.
UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY THE OFFICE BUILDING, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED THE OFFICE BUILDING MAY DEGRADE IN, IN HEIGHT AS IT MOVES SOUTH, AND I THINK THAT THAT COULD HELP WITH THE SKYLINE EFFECT OF IT.
UM, UM, BUT, BUT YEAH, THE, THE KIND OF, UH, INTENSITY OF THIS PROJECT FROM THE SOUTH AS, AS MS. HARDER MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMING INTO THAT EVENT SPACE, I THINK THAT CAN BE SOFTENED BY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSPARENCY AND AS YOU SAY, KIND OF BRINGING THE GLOW FROM INSIDE OUT.
BUT, UM, BUT I, I GUESS THAT OTHER ANGLE, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN YOU'RE COMING, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE ROUNDABOUT.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A STAIRWAY THAT YOU KNOW, WOULD GO UP TO THE CAPITOL BUILDING, YOU KNOW, JUST, AND, AND THAT'S PART OF YOUR PLACE MAKING.
AND I KNOW THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN FRAMED, BUT I WONDER HOW INTENSIVE THAT IS FROM THE GROUND LEVEL IF WE DO GET A SUITABLE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION.
UM, AND THEN ALSO FROM, FOR DRIVERS, JUST SEEING IT.
SO THOSE, THOSE ARE MY TOP CONCERNS.
BUT GENERALLY I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT AND OF THE USAGE AND OF AN EXCEPTION FOR HEIGHT, UM, AT SOME LEVEL.
MR. ASHLER, THAT, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON THIS, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS IS NOT AT ISSUE BEFORE US THIS EVENING, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.
THE SPECIFIC HEIGHT IS NOT IN FRONT OF YOU.
IT, IT TALKS ABOUT SIDING AND, AND SCALING OF THE BUILDINGS, AND THEN QUESTION OF SPECIFIC HEIGHT AND ANY WAIVERS IF THE APPLICANT ULTIMATELY REQUESTS THEM WOULD COME AT A LATER TIME.
I AM SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, THE PROJECT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH BY THE CITY.
UM, I MAY BE ELABORATE MORE LIKE DAN THAN YOU
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GONNA PROVE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S VIABLE BECAUSE MY, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS PEAK DEMAND COMING OUTTA THAT OFFICE AND DALE DRIVE, AND IT'S ALREADY A STACKING ISSUE 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER, UM, WHEN IT'S BEING UNDERUTILIZED AND WITH THE, THE, UH, SERVICE ROAD, THE PARALLELS 1 61 ACROSS FROM THE WENDY'S ENTRY, THAT'S ALREADY A STACKING PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S WHEN THERE'S LOW USE THERE.
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OFFICE BUILDING WHERE THERE ARE SPECIFIC TIMES OF PEAK ARRIVAL AND DEPARTURE.AND SO I, I'M REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY PROVES BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN LINKAGES BECAUSE I THINK AS ALL THE RESIDENTS HAVE SAID, CURRENTLY CROSSING THAT ROUNDABOUT IS SUICIDE.
AND SO THE ONLY LINKAGE UNLESS THE BRIDGE IS BUILT IS GONNA BE PROBABLY UP AT DALE WHERE YOU ALREADY HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT, WHICH I THINK IS FINE.
I, I, I THINK THE PRESENTATION WAS GREAT.
UM, THE MASSING I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF.
I THINK IT'S THOUGHTFULLY DONE.
UM, I LIKE SPLITTING THE VOLUMES, UM, LOCATIONS OF THE FUNCTIONS.
I THINK HAVING SOME RESIDENTIAL ON THAT SIDE OF 1 61 WILL HELP SUPPORT THE USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE IN THAT CENTER.
UM, I THINK STRENGTHENING CONNECTIONS OVER TO BRIDGE STREET WILL ALSO HELP THOSE USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE.
UM, I DO THINK IT HAS A VERY DIFFERENT FEEL.
THERE WAS A COMMENT BEFORE, WELL THIS WILL FEEL LIKE, LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON ACROSS BRIDGE PARK, PARTICULARLY A LONG, UM, RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
AND I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND I THINK THAT'S OKAY, THE GRADE CHANGE AND THE USE OF LANDSCAPE, BECAUSE JUST LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE WALK TO THE BUILDING AND HOW FAR THAT IS COMPARED TO WALKING AGAINST THE FRONT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S FINE, BUT I THINK CONNECTIONS SOMEPLACE ELSE BECOME EVEN MORE IMPORTANT.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY FOR ME, IT'LL COME DOWN TO IS DOES IT REALLY, DOES IT WORK TRAFFIC WISE? THEN I COULD BE IN COMPLETE SUPPORT OF IT, BUT I, AND I'M OKAY WITH THE HEIGHT, I THINK IT'S VERY LOGICAL TO FRAME THAT ENTRY WITH SOMETHING THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE AC IN HEIGHT.
AND I, I THINK THAT SITE REALLY DEMANDS SOMETHING PROMINENT, BUT THE FUNCTIONAL ISSUES WILL TELL US IF IT WORKS.
THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER, MR. WAY.
THANK YOU FOR THE SETUP, MR. ALEXANDER, TOO.
UM, SO I SUPPORT GENERALLY THE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LAYOUT, THE MASSING, THE SCALE.
I THINK IT'S COMMENSURATE WITH BEING AT THIS GATEWAY LOCATION.
UM, WHERE I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS THIS, AND, AND THE, SOME OF THE PEOPLE SPOKE TO THIS TONIGHT IS THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE BUILDING TO THE STREETS.
AND I'D SAY ALMOST ALL THE WAY AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE STREET IS ALL ABOUT ACTIVATING FRONTAGES.
AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A PROJECT BECAUSE OF ITS UNIQUENESS THAT IT'S LIKE I ARRIVE AT THE EAST SIDE, BUT THE OTHER SIDE IS KIND OF, WE'RE JUST GONNA LIKE LANDSCAPE IT AND, AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE ACTIVE.
I THINK THERE'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY, AND AGAIN, AT THIS STAGE IN THE PROCESS, HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT HOW DO YOU ACTIVATE THAT EDGE GIVEN ITS SETTING ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE AND, YOU KNOW, AND THE FACT THAT IT'S SITTING ON TOP OF PARKING.
SO I'M, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT IN A LA A LAYERING TYPE OF EFFORT AS YOU GO UP.
HOW DO YOU LIKE ACTIVATE, UM, SPACES AT DIFFERENT LEVELS? MAYBE THERE'S SOME OUTDOOR TERRACES.
UM, THERE'S AN IMAGE IN HERE THAT I THINK IS REALLY WONDERFUL THAT, UM, SHOWS IT'S ON PAGE 19 DOWN ON THE CORNER WHERE YOU HAVE THIS HUGE MONUMENTAL STARE THAT COMES DOWN FROM AN UPPER LEVEL AND STARTS TO COME DOWN TO GRADE.
AND YOU START TO LINK THE LOBBY UP UPPER LEVELS, EVEN ALONG RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
I KNOW YOU'RE DOING IT A LITTLE BIT ON THE CORNER, BUT TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WAYS OF ACTIVATING THAT EDGE WITHOUT NECESSARILY BEING A STREET SCAPE OR A GROUND LEVEL EDGE.
BUT HOW DO YOU REALLY START GETTING PEOPLE, THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA REALLY MAKE THIS DIFFERENT AND MAKE IT LINKED MORE TO BRIDGE PARK THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF BRIDGE PARK.
IT IS TRYING TO GET THAT, THAT FEEL.
AND, YOU KNOW, WALKING AROUND RIVERSIDE DRIVE, UH, TO THE NORTH IS, IS GREAT.
I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT EXPERIENCE.
HOW DO WE GET THAT SAME EXPERIENCE GIVEN THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS PROJECT AND THE SITE AND YOU CHALLENGE US ABOUT SHOULD IT BE MORE GREEN OR SHOULD IT BE MORE PAY? I THINK THIS WOULD BE A REALLY URBAN EDGE.
I THINK THE, THE CORNER AT THE ROUNDABOUT SHOULD BE THIS INCREDIBLE PLAZA.
AND SOMEWHERE IN THERE, THERE, IN HERE, THERE'S GONNA BE A BLOCK Y, RIGHT? SCULPTURE,
I COULD, I, I'M SORRY I COULDN'T QUOTE SAY
SIGNAGE, NO, BUT NO, BUT I THINK IT, I THINK WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THERE BEING SCULPTURE THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS NEEDS TO BE AS EXCITING AS EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON TO THE NORTH.
AND I FEEL RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE, LET'S PUT, LET'S GET A LOT OF LANDSCAPING IN HERE AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WA YOU KNOW, PUT IT UP AGAINST THE WALLS OF THE BUILDING, WE'LL GRADE UP TO IT.
AND IT, TO ME, THAT'S MISSING THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS.
AND I THINK FOR THIS, THIS PROJECT TO FEEL LIKE IS BRIDGE PARK, YOU'VE GOTTA REALLY GO ALL OUT.
AND I KNOW THE GRAY CHANGES THE CHALLENGE AND IT, AND I THINK IT'S
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THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.AND I THINK IT'S OUTDOOR SPACES, IT'S CONNECTIVE STAIRS OUTSIDE.
I THINK THERE'S ALL SORTS, SORTS OF THINGS YOU CAN DO TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE RECOMMENDATIONS IT TALKS ABOUT CONTINUE TO WORK ON, UH, OPEN SPACES AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, SO OPEN SPACE IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND ACTIVATION.
SO THAT'S THE THEME I'M TRYING TO GET AT.
AND THE SPACES THAT ARE ACTUALLY TO THE EAST, UM, WHERE YOU COME IN, YOU'VE GOT THAT GROVE OF TREES, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S NO ACTIVATION OF THAT SPACE.
THERE'S A PAUSE IN FRONT OF THE OFFICE BUILDING.
I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S ACTIVATED.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS, WHEN THERE'S OPEN SPACE, THERE'S OUTDOOR SPACE, THERE'S STREET SCAPE.
HOW IS IT BEING ACTIVATED AND HOW IS, HOW ARE YOU GETTING PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND ENGAGE WITH THAT PUBLIC ENVIRONMENT? THANK YOU, MR. WAYNE.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SAY IT ANY BETTER THAN HOW YOU SAID IT, BECAUSE THAT FEELING OF WHEN YOU'RE COMING INTO THIS AREA, I THINK MAYBE THAT'S WHAT I WAS MISSING, IS THAT IT'S LIKE IT'S COMING AT YOU INSTEAD OF LIKE, OH, WHAT, WHAT CAN I SEE IN THERE THAT'S HAPPENING AS I'M DRIVING THROUGH THERE? YOU SEE THAT AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE OTHER SIDE OF BRIDGE STREET ALONG YOU SEE PINS OUTSIDE, YOU SEE THE MOMENTUM HAPPENING.
MAYBE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE MISSING THERE.
INSTEAD OF LIKE A BUILDING PROTRUDING OUT AT YOU THAT YOU HAVE MORE OF A FEEL OF, OH, THERE'S INTERACTION HAPPENING AND PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S THAT CONNECTIVITY THAT I THINK WE'RE MISSING.
AND, AND I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE UP ON THE HILL BY THE OFFICE SPACE AND HOW TO CONNECT THEM IN.
AND IT WAS BECOMING APPARENT WHEN MR. ALEXANDER WAS SAYING, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, HE WAS TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, IS THAT MAYBE YOU GET RID OF THAT, UM, THE, THE, THE TREE SECTION AREA AND KIND OF OPEN IT UP SO PEOPLE SEE IT'S NOT THAT FAR OF A DISTANCE OF A WALK FROM THAT PARKING LOT OVER.
AND THEN YOU'LL START VISITING SOME OF THOSE STORES AND THAT'S THAT CONNECTED ABILITY THAT WE WANT, UH, THAT MAKES YOU WANNA THEN CROSS AND GET OVER TO THE OTHER SECTIONS.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
UM, I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR STAYING AS LONG AS THEY DID.
AND ALL THE COMMENTS AND MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE AS WELL TOO IN THIS, IN THE CITY.
YEAH, AND I, I SHARED THAT ECHO THE SAME SENTIMENTS OF EVERYBODY ELSE UP HERE, I THINK, UM, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
MY QUESTION FOR WHOMEVER, BECAUSE I THINK THE, THE, WE HAVE A RECURRING THEME, RIGHT? I THINK WE'RE ALL IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
I KNOW WE'RE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THE HEIGHT, BUT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCALE.
CAN WE ADD IN HERE OUR RECOMMENDATION, SOMETHING ABOUT WORK WITH STAFF ON THE STREETS, SCAPES AND SCALE? AND ALSO CAN WE ADD TO THESE RECOMMENDATIONS? AND, AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON THE PEDESTRIAN, WE TALKED A NAUM ABOUT THE, THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, BUT TO ME, I FEEL A LOT BETTER ABOUT APPROVING AND MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION.
IF WE CAN PUT SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT THE SCALE AND THEN ABOUT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, SOMETHING ABOUT THAT TO ME IS MISSING FROM THIS LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
AGAIN, I KNOW THIS CITY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON THIS PLAN, BUT, OR THE STUDY, BUT STILL, TO ME IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND WHERE WE ARE THAT I FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN ADD OR DO WE, DOES ANYBODY AGREE, DISAGREE,
MAXIMUM SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS, CAN YOU SAY? RIGHT.
I I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE YOUR BUILDING TYPES, UM, YOU KNOW, BY DEFAULT, THE WAY THAT THIS CODE WORKS, YOUR BUILDING TYPES HAVE A CERTAIN MAXIMUM NUMBER OF LEVELS UNLESS A WAIVER IS APPLIED FOR THE WAIVER CRITERIA ARE APPLI ARE, ARE APPLIED TO THAT APPLICATION AND THE WAIVER IS APPROVED.
SO TO, TO, AND THEN PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IS PART OF EVERY APPLICATION.
AND WE WOULD HAVE ENGINEERING BACK AT A FUTURE STATE.
I I, I, I AGREE, BUT I JUST FEEL IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY, IT'S MORE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE IMPORTANT, NOT MORE IMPORTANT.
AND THAT, I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S SAYING THE SAME THING ABOUT THE, OUR CONCERN, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.
MAYBE IT'S YOUR MIC JUST WENT, SORRY, I WAS JUST SAYING, I, I THINK THAT IT, IT'S IMPORTANT.
THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IS VERY IMPORTANT HERE.
ARCHITECTURALLY SCALE IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN SIZE.
SO OUR CODE DOES NOT ADDRESS SCALE.
SO I, I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT, JAMIE AND THAD, THAT SIZE AND SCALE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IF YOU, IF YOU ASK AN ARCHITECT.
AND SO JAMIE'S POINT ABOUT ADDRESSING SCALE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN DEALING
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WITH SIZE.SCALE IS THE RELATIVE FEELING OF SOMETHING TO INDIVIDUALS AND TO THE SETTING AS OPPOSED TO THE SIZE WHICH DICTATES HEIGHT.
BUT I STILL THINK NUMBER SIX APPLIES DETERMINATION OF THE BUILDING TYPE AND HOW THEY RELATE TO THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO I THINK WE, WE HAVE THE, THE BOTH, AGAIN, THIS IS CONCEPT PLAN, RIGHT? CONCEPT PLAN IS IDEA WHERE CRAYONS ON PAPER.
SO I THINK, I THINK TO YOUR POINT, AND THE, AND THE CODE, THE WORD IT USES IS CITED AND SCALE THAT BUILDINGS AT THE CONCEPT PLAN LEVEL ARE CITED AND SCALED APPROPRIATELY.
UM, BUT IT, IT DOES SEEM THAT SCALE THEN IS INDEPENDENT OF A NUMBER OF STORIES, RIGHT? WHEREAS WHEN WE GET INTO PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE WAIVER REQUEST, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START TALKING NUMBER OF STORIES AND, AND I THINK THE ARTICULATION OF THE ARCHITECTURES THEY DEVELOP IT IS GOING TO START TO UNVEIL THINGS TO US THAT WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND WHY HEIGHT OR WHATEVER HAS AN IMPACT, RIGHT? OR SCALE AT THIS POINT, IT'S JUST MASSING, RIGHT? SO IT'S HARD TO REALLY UNDERSTAND.
SO I THINK AS THIS GETS DEVELOPED, I THINK THOSE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED.
I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION HERE.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR THAT MAYBE YOU CAN CLEAR THIS UP.
SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT JAMIE'S SAYING ABOUT POTENTIALLY ADDING A, A CONDITION RELATIVE TO THE SAFETY OF THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ASPECT.
BUT AS WE HEARD AT THE BEGINNING, THE CITY'S OWNING THAT, IS THAT FAIR FOR THE APPLICANT TO DEAL WITH? I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO HELP CLARIFY THAT.
I JUST, MAYBE I CAN ADDRESS THIS.
I, I THINK THAT WAS THE GOAL OF CONDITION FIVE, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT DEVELOP THE DESIGN OF BOTH WEST DUBLIN GRANDVILLE AND RIVERSIDE DRIVE STREET SCAPES.
UM, IT DOESN'T EXPLICITLY SAY PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND CIRCULATION, BUT THAT IS THE INTENT OF THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDRESSING THE DESIGN OF THESE SO THAT IT ACCOMMODATES ALL OF THOSE KEY FACTORS THAT WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT WITH THAT EAST BRIDGE STREET STUDY.
THEN MAYBE WE MODIFY FIVE THEN TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL PORTION, STREET STATION AND PEDESTRIAN CORRIDORS.
ALRIGHT, UH, MR. OCK, WERE THERE ANY OTHER THANK YOU.
OKAY, UM, I'LL MAKE MINE SHORT AND SWEET.
GIVEN THAT WE HAVE SEVEN CONDITIONS WITH THE MODIFICATION.
I JUST HAVE, I THINK TWO COMMENTS LEFT.
1 61, THAT ONE MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
HOWEVER, I'M GONNA DEFER TO ENGINEERING WHO WILL SIT IN THAT SEAT MOBILITY, WHO WILL SIT IN THAT SEAT LATER.
THE OTHER ONE, YOU GUYS KNOWN ME AS A COMMISSIONER.
I'M STICKLER ON STAGE, BUT I'M GONNA WANNA SEE A LOT OF DETAIL IN THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES IN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION GIVEN ITS LOCATION GIVEN, GIVEN ITS GRADE CHANGE.
I'M GONNA WANNA SEE MORE DETAIL THAN I WOULD TYPICALLY WANNA SEE WITH DUPE BLOW BLOCKS ON THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE IT'LL HAVE A LOT OF IMPACT ON MY PERSONAL DETERMINATION.
UH, SO WITH THE BOLD MODIFICATION TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMISSIONER DELIBERATION COMMENTS, QUESTIONS BEFORE I CALL FOR A MOTION NOW CONCEPT PLAN IN BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT IS OF VOTING ACTIONS.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR, AND IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, SORRY, THE CHAIR AGENDA IS INACCURATE, SO IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
I HADN'T EVEN LOOKED AT MEANS.
ALRIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL.
WAIT, WITH SEVEN RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS THAT WITH SEVEN? YOU SAY THAT RIGHT? SEVEN CONDITIONS.
WHAT'S THAT WITH SEVEN CONDITIONS.
WELL, THEY SAYS RECOMMENDATIONS HERE.
DO I HAVE SECOND I'LL, I'LL SECOND.
THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING AND PARTICIPATING ON THIS VERY LONG THURSDAY NIGHT WITH US.
WE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME BACK AS WE SEE THESE APPLICATIONS FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
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AND WE'RE GOING TO FOREGO ANY COMMUNICATIONS.I I HAVE A QUICK ONE, UM, RELATED TO YOUR PACKET DELIVERY.
AS WE ALLUDED TO LA AT THE LAST MEETING, YOUR DIGITAL PACKET IS COMING.
IT'LL COME THROUGH ONBOARD AND ONEDRIVE, BUT WE'RE OFFICIALLY SWITCHING WITH OUR NEXT MEETING TO ONBOARD.
YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR SIGN IN INFORMATION
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TO ACTIVATE YOUR ACCOUNT ON THE 14TH.PLEASE TELL ME IT'S L DAP ACTIVE DIRECTORY, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KNOW ANOTHER PASSWORD.
IT'S NOT A SINGLE SIGN ON AT THIS POINT, IS IT? OH, IT IS.
ACTIVE DIRECTORY, INTEGRATED SINGLE SIGN ON ONE PASSWORD.
SO YOU'LL HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO ACTIVATE THAT.
PLEASE DO THAT BEFORE YOU ATTEND THE TRAINING.
IT WILL MAKE THE TRAINING MUCH SIMPLER BECAUSE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY LOG IN AND YOU, HONESTLY, THE MATERIALS ARE ALREADY THERE.
LIKE I CAN SEE TONIGHT'S PACKET.
SO ONCE YOU GET THAT, PLEASE SIGN IN.
AND THEN OUR TWO TRAINING OPTIONS ARE, WHICH I JUST CLOSED THIS DOCUMENT, THE 16TH AND SEVEN, 16TH AT FIVE, AND THE 17TH AT 12.
WE WILL RECORD THEM IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST HELPFUL TO WALK THROUGH IT AND SEE IT.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S PRETTY AMAZING.
SO YOU'LL YOU'LL BE VERY HAPPY.
SORRY, WE DONE MEETING ADJOURNED.