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I THINK SHE'S STILL SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, SO, WE'LL, WE WILL AT LEAST, UM, WE'LL GET STARTED TONIGHT.
SO I'D LIKE TO CALL THE, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD MEETING, BEING HELD AT 5 5 5 5 PERIMETER DRIVE.
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THE APPLICANT MAY PRESENT FIRST.
THE BOARD WILL THEN ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE.
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STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
WE REQUEST YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
UM, BEFORE WE START EACH MEETING, WE'LL START THE MEETINGS WITH THE PLEASURE OF ALLEGIANCE.
IF EVERYBODY CAN STAND, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE, TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE BARR.
JUDY, COULD YOU CALL THE RULE? YES, MR. COTTER? HERE.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES ]
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO, INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE A RB MEETING MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 20TH, 2024.IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. JEWEL? YES.
[Case #24-145INF ]
TONIGHT, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION AND MODIFICATIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO ANY SITE IN THE AREA SUBJECT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW UNDER THE PROVISION OF THE ZONING CODE SECTION 1 53 0.170.THE BOARD HAS THE DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY ON THESE CASES.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THE, ON THESE CASES TONIGHT MUST BE SWORN IN ANYBODY WHO'S HERE.
SO ANYBODY INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD THIS EVENING, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? THANK YOU.
SO FIRST CASE IS, UH, 24, UH, DASH 1 45 INF, INFORMAL REVIEW, 72 84 HIGH STREET, AND 20 NORTH HIGH STREET, INFORMAL REVIEW.
UM, INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK FOR THE RENOVATION OF THREE PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THE 0.17, 0.71 ACRE SITE ZONED HD HC HISTORIC CORE, AND IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHEAST, NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH HIGH STREETS AND NORTH STREET.
SARAH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND OUR APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS.
FIRST, IF YOU YEAH, JUST, UH, UH, HIT THE BUTTON THERE SO THE GREEN LIGHT WILL COME ON, AND IF BOTH OF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UH, 36 KING AVENUE IS MY OFFICE ADDRESS.
UH, ELI EUNICE, ALSO AT 36 KING AVENUE.
UH, THANK YOU FOR SEEING US TONIGHT.
I, WE'RE THE ONLY PEOPLE HERE.
THANKS FOR COMING OUT FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
IT WAS A TOTAL SCRAPE AND PROPOSAL FOR A REBUILD.
AND, UH, THE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS MUCH MORE MODEST PROPOSAL.
UH, WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO STAFF A COUPLE TIMES ABOUT IT, AND WE'VE MADE, UH, CHANGES IN RESPONSE TO MANY COMMENTS.
AND, UM, UH, JUST THOUGHT I'D TAKE A SECOND AND, UH, DESCRIBE THE OVERALL THINKING ABOUT THE PROJECT.
THE, UH, IT'S AN INTERESTING SITE.
IT, IT HAS A FACE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND A FACE TO THE RIVER, WHICH HAS COMPLETELY CHANGED FROM, UH, UH, PROBABLY EVEN 20 YEARS AGO.
AND, UH, THEN IT HAS THE NORTH STREET FACADE, AND THESE ARE ALL SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CONTEXTS.
UH, WE FIND THE PROJECT, AND ON THE, I'LL JUST DESCRIBE BRIEFLY THE STRATEGY HERE ON THE HIGH STREET SIDE.
UM, THE, THE BUILDINGS, AND, AND THIS IS TRUE OF THE WHOLE PROJECT, THE BUILDINGS WILL REMAIN LARGELY AS THEY ARE.
THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS OR REMOVALS, UH, OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE.
THE SCALE OF THE PIECES WILL REMAIN THE SAME, AND THE PROJECT REALLY ESSENTIALLY BOILS DOWN TO, UH, ROOFING, SIDING, AND SOME WINDOW AND DOOR MODIFICATIONS.
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UH, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE, UH, 20 NORTH STREET BUILDING, UH, JUST BECAUSE IT HAS THE HEAVY PORCHES ON IT.NOW, WE'D LIKE TO REMOVE SOME OF THOSE, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.
ON THE HIGH STREET SIDE, AGAIN, THIS WILL LARGELY APPEAR MUCH THE SAME.
UH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN EFFORT, UH, THE I THE CONCEPTUALLY TO CREATE THREE PIECES THERE.
SO IT ISN'T ONE LARGE STRUCTURE, BUT REFLECTS, UH, A BIT OF THE HISTORY OF THE STRUCTURE WHERE THE CENTER WAS, UH, AN OLD HOUSE.
AND, WELL, ACTUALLY BEFORE THAT, THE, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS CONVINCED IT WAS AN OLD INDUSTRIAL SHED OR A BARN, UM, BURIED IN THERE.
AND THERE'S EVIDENCE OF THE OLD POST INSIDE THAT MAY REMAIN.
UH, AND THEN IT HAS THE, THE 72 BUILDING AS A DISTINCT PIECE.
AND THE SMALL PIECE ON THE NORTH, UH, UH, REMAINS LARGELY UNCHANGED EXCEPT FOR THE WINDOWS.
UH, EACH PIECE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT SIDING MATERIAL, UH, AND, UH, SLIGHTLY, UH, MODIFIED WINDOWS.
UM, AND IF WE GO AROUND THE CORNER, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE DRAWING BEFORE YOU, THE LOWER PIECE IS EXISTING, AND THE UPPER ELEVATION IS THE PROPOSED, UH, PLAN.
IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SHEET, UH, THIS IS THE CITY OF DUBLIN
SO WE HAVE NOW THE REAR OF THOSE SAME BUILDINGS, UH, ESSENTIALLY THAT ON THE RIGHT, THE WHITE ELEMENT IS A STUCCO BUILDING, UM, THAT IS EXISTING.
AND THERE ARE SLIGHTLY, UH, MODIFIED WINDOWS IN THAT.
THE CENTER IS, UH, SIDING SIMILAR TO THE FRONT, AND THERE IS A MODIFICATION TO WINDOWS AND A SCREENING ELEMENT THAT WILL LOOK MUCH LIKE THE WALL, UH, TO HIDE SOME MECHANICALS BEHIND THERE.
AND ON THE LEFT FROM THE, UH, FIREWALL TO THE LEFT IS, UM, MOSTLY A CONCEALED FACADE.
AND THERE'S, UH, THE ONLY CHANGE THERE IS THE FACADE, THE, THE MATERIAL.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE DOORS WILL BECOME A WINDOW.
UM, AGAIN, THE LOWER DRAWING IS THE EXISTING, AND THE UPPER IS, UM, THE PROPOSED.
THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, THIS IS 20 NORTH.
AND SO ON THE TOP WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THE, ON THE LEFT IS THE WEST ELEVATION ON THE, THE LARGER ELEVATION.
UH, THE PART THAT IS, UM, ARTICULATED WITH SIDING IS THE EAST FACADE OF 20.
AND ON THE BOTTOM, THE LEFT IS THE SOUTH FACADE.
AND THE RIGHT IS THE, UH, NORTH FACADE.
UM, THE, THIS BUILDING IS INTERESTING.
IF WE, DO, WE HAVE THE EXISTING, ARE YOU ALL FAMILIAR WITH THIS BUILDING? OKAY.
SO THE, SO THE, UH, THE, THE WRAPAROUND PATIO PORCH ELEMENT IS REALLY HEAVY AND TENDS TO REALLY, UH, DEMATERIALIZE THAT BUILDING.
IT'S A, IT'S A COMPOSITIONALLY CHALLENGING.
IT'S ALSO SORT OF 1970S, 1980S PORCH SENSIBILITY.
IN FACT, UH, MUCH OF THIS SORT OF FEELS SUBURBAN IN ITS COMPOSITION WITH THE DIFFERENT SIDING AND THE GABLE AND THE, THE, UH, PROPORTION OF THE WINDOWS, AND EVEN THE PROPORTION OF THE GABLE.
AT ANY RATE, ON THE NEW, UH, ELEVATION, THE, THE CONCEPTUAL, UH, UNDERPINNING HERE IS TO CHANGE THE WINDOWS TO A MORE TRADITIONAL PROPORTION, WHICH IS TALL AND NARROW AND ADD WINDOWS, WHICH WAS A DIRECT REQUEST OF THE OWNER.
UH, AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LIKE THAT AS WELL.
IT TENDS TO ENGAGE THE STREET A LITTLE MORE IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
UH, THE VERTICAL SIDING, WE LIKE THE VERTICAL SIDING BECAUSE IT CHANGES, UH, VISUALLY, THE, THE SQUAT NESS OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S EVEN WITH THE, UM, EVEN WITH THE LACK OF THE, THE BALCONY THAT'S THERE, IT'S STILL A, IT'S A SQUAT VOLUME.
UH, WE DO EXPOSE THE VERTICALITY AND, UH, NOT SHY ABOUT IT.
THAT TENDS TO, UH, RELATE A LITTLE MORE TO MAYBE A, A FEDERAL STYLE, UH, OR GEORGIAN VOLUME, IF YOU WILL.
BUT ANYWAY, IT'S A, UH, WHILE THE WINDOWS ARE TRADITIONAL AND THE INTENTION IS TO USE TRADITIONAL MATERIALS, THE COMPOSITION OF THAT PIECE IS A LITTLE MORE MODERN, UH, AT ITS AT ITS CORE.
AND THAT IS, UH, SIMPLY REFLECTING THE CHANGE FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO, IN FRONTING THE BRIDGE STREET AND THE PEDESTRIAN PARK OR BRIDGE AND, UH, ATCH ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, FOR THE MOST PART, WE HAVE SIMPLY ADDED WINDOWS, UM, WHERE IT APPEARS, UM, IF WE CAN GO TO THE, UH, MODEL VIEW.
YEAH, AND THE MODEL VIEW, WHAT LOOKS LIKE A CORNER WINDOW, THERE IS REALLY JUST, UH, ADJACENT
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WINDOWS AND A, A COLOR THAT JOINS THEM.THERE IS NO CORNER WINDOW, PER SE.
UH, THE BASE HAS BEEN RETAINED.
THE LOWER LEVEL WALKWAY WILL BE REBUILT.
UH, THE WINDOWS ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT ON THE, THE BASE ARE EXISTING.
WE DON'T INTEND TO CHANGE THOSE.
AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT IT'S A LITTLE DARK, BUT YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT IT'S, UH, WE'VE, UH, INCORPORATED PART OF THE WALKWAY TO COVER THE, UH, SIDEWALK APPROACH TO THE ENTRY.
AND, UH, I CAN'T SEE IT ON OUR SLIDE, I HOPE YOU CAN SEE IT.
BUT THE TOP LEFT, OUR INTENTION IS TO EX TO MOVE THE STAIR TO EXPOSE THE OLDER STONE WALL BEHIND THE STAIR.
AND SO THAT BECOMES THE, UH, WALKWAY DOWN TO THE PUBLIC PROMENADE OF THE PARK, WHICH WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT YET.
WE'RE ANXIOUS TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THAT AND BE COMPATIBLE OR COMPLIMENTARY WHEN WE GET INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, HAVING SAID ALL THAT, IT'S, IT'S AN EFFORT TO BE TRADITIONAL AND, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR ELEMENT OF THE BUILDING, BE TRADITIONAL AND, UH, LET IT LIVE IN BOTH OF THOSE WORLDS.
MAYBE MAKE THE PIVOT FROM A BRIDGE STREET AROUND TO THE MORE TRADITIONAL YOU CAN SEE ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
IT BECOMES A LITTLE MORE TRADITIONAL, UH, COMPOSITIONALLY.
AND, UH, WE'LL SIT DOWN AND TAKE QUESTIONS LATER.
SO THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW FOR 72 AND 84 NORTH HIGH STREET, ALONG WITH 20 NORTH STREET I THE SITE IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW ON THE MAP HERE.
IT'S AT THE VERY NORTH EDGE OF HISTORIC DUBLIN AS DEMARCATED BY THE ORANGE DASH LINE.
BOTH THE LIBRARY AND THE PEARL ARE IN BRIDGE STREET.
AND ATCH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WAS APPROVED UNDER THE PREVIOUS CODE.
UM, ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR GRAPHIC IS THE VISIBILITY FROM THE DUBLIN LINK BRIDGE AS YOU'RE CROSSING AS A PEDESTRIAN INTO THIS, UM, DISTRICT, SOME BACKGROUND ON THE PROPERTY, ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE CLASSIFIED AS BACKGROUND.
AND AS MR. BASS MENTIONED, THERE'S NO ADDITIONS OR CHANGES THAT WOULD WARRANT A CONCEPT PLAN A PDP OR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN UNDER THE NEW CODE.
THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ADJUSTING THE VOLUME OF THESE BACKGROUND BUILDINGS.
HOWEVER, BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT FELT THAT THIS WAS JUST TOO SIGNIFICANT A PROPERTY TO GO THAT ROUTE, AND WE REALLY WANTED THE BOARD'S INPUT.
HENCE, UH, WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU WITH A MINOR PROJECT.
THERE ARE THREE LOTS TOTALS ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE.
AND 2009 WAS THE LAST MAJOR REVIEW THAT THE A RB HAD.
AND THIS INCLUDED VARIANCES APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR VARIOUS, UM, VARIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES.
AS NOTED IN THE REPORT, WE ARE REQUESTING SOME UPDATES WITH THE APPLICANT TO BRING IT CLOSER INTO COMPLIANCE, EVEN THOUGH THE SITE IS LEGAL AS IT SITS TODAY.
AND, UH, THEY ARE WILLING TO DO THAT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS PARTNERSHIP.
TAKING A LOOK AT SOME SURROUNDING CONTEXT AND, UM, PULLING OFF OF WHAT MR. BASS SAID, UM, THAT THE APPLICANTS WERE INSPIRED BY THE PEARL AND ATCH AS SEEN IN THE TOP PHOTOS.
OTHER ADJACENT BUILDINGS ARE SHOWN IN THE LOWER PHOTOS, INCLUDING NORTH HIGH BREWERY, WHICH IS INDIVIDUALLY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND 53 AND 62 NORTH RIVER VIEW, WHICH ARE TO BE SYMPATHETICALLY RENOVATED.
AND YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT OUR NEW GUIDELINES, WHICH TAKE EFFECT TODAY, UM, STATE THAT BACKGROUND BUILDINGS SHALL TAKE THEIR CONTEXT FROM SURROUNDING LANDMARK BUILDINGS.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST QUESTION FOR THE BOARD TO ADDRESS, IS WHERE DO YOU ALL SEE THAT, THAT CONTEXT AND, AND THAT DIRECTION COMING FROM.
AND BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, I DO WANNA THANK BASSAM
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FOR ALL OF THE WONDERFUL PHOTOS.HE DID A MARVELOUS JOB JUST DOING SOME ARCHITECTURAL STUDIES, AND I, I WAS ABLE TO USE THEM, UM, FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
WE DID IDENTIFY SOME SIGNATURE FEATURES THAT WE FEEL SHOULD BE RETAINED AND CELEBRATED.
AND THESE INCLUDE IN THE TOP LEFT THE GABLE AND BOX BAY WINDOW DETAILS THAT ARE ORIGINAL TO 84 NORTH HIGH BASED ON THE PHOTOS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET.
AND THEN THE REPLICATED ONE AT 72 OR THAT SORT OF CENTER PORTION, THE HISTORIC WALLS.
AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE TOP LEFT, THERE'S A PERPENDICULAR WALL WITH A PILLAR, UM, THERE IN THAT PHOTO.
AND ON THE LOWER PHOTO, THERE'S THE WALL THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO NORTH STREET.
AND FINALLY, THE THIRD ITEM IS THE SEGMENTED ARCH AND KEYSTONE ENTRY FEATURES AT 20 NORTH STREET.
AND EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE NOT HISTORIC FEATURES, THEY SPEAK NICELY TO PEDESTRIAN ELEMENTS, CONNECTING TO PEOPLE AND THE STREET.
AND THEY USE OUR HISTORIC MATERIALS AND SOME OF THE HISTORIC CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES.
SO WE'RE ALSO ASKING THE BOARD TO CONFIRM THESE SIGNATURE ELEMENTS.
WE STITCHED TOGETHER SOME PHOTOS SO THAT, UM, WE COULD POINT OUT SOME ITEMS OF NOTE HERE ON, ON EACH OF THE DIFFERENT FACADES.
AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE ELEVATIONS THEMSELVES TO DISCUSS WHAT THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING.
HERE IS THE REMNANT OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE, INCLUDING THAT GABLE AND BOX BAY WINDOW IN THE CENTER PORTION.
THIS HERE IS THE COPIED BOX BAY ELEMENT IN THE CENTER PORTION.
AND THIS WINDOW GROUPING HERE WAS INSPIRED BY THE BOX BAY WINDOW ELEMENT.
THIS AREA HERE IS CURRENTLY STONE, AND IT'S PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED TO SIDING.
HERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE HISTORIC WALL AND PILLAR.
AND ANOTHER INTERESTING FACTOR THAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THE DISTANCE TO THE STREET TO, UH, TO THIS BUILDING.
WE NOTED IN THE REPORT THAT THERE'S REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS BUILDING TO REACH OUT TO THE STREET MORE AND ENGAGE PEDESTRIANS BECAUSE THERE IS QUITE A DISTANCE, ESPECIALLY AT 72.
UM, WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE CONSOLIDATION OF THE WALLS AND THE FENCING AND THE LANDSCAPING INTO SOMETHING COHESIVE THAT KIND OF WORKS AS A, AS A COMPOSED HOLE.
WE'D LOVE TO SEE ACTIVATION OF THE FRONT PRIVATE SPACES, AND WE'RE EAGER TO SEE THOSE EFFORTS AT MINOR PROJECT.
AND THIS IS THE THIRD QUESTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO COMMENT ON, IS HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT ADDRESSING OF THE STREET? SOME ITEMS OF NOTE ON THE REAR ARE, THIS FORM HERE IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THIS STRUCTURE.
UM, IN FACT, WE FOUND, UM, SOME HISTORIC ODOT AERIALS THAT SHOWED IN 1989 THAT THIS FORM WAS ADDED ON TOP OF A HIP ROOF FORM.
UH, TOMORROW STAFF WILL BE TOURING THIS BUILDING WITH THE APPLICANT TO GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE AND KIND OF SEE WHERE ARE WE? AND MAYBE IT CAN TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHERE IT'S BEEN.
THESE ARCHED WINDOWS HERE ARE TO BE REMOVED, AND THESE ARE THE HVAC AREAS THAT ARE TO BE IMPROVED.
ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS FOR THIS SAME BUILDING.
AND WE'RE BACK AT HIGH STREET HERE.
WE'RE DIVIDING THIS ELEVATION, UM, INTO THREE DISTINCT AREAS BY THE FIREWALLS.
JUST FOR, UM, DISCUSSION PURPOSES ON THE ROOF, WE SEE THAT THE SKYLIGHTS AND THE CHIMNEY ARE GONNA BE REMOVED ON THE LEFT SIDE, THE FENESTRATION IS LARGELY PROPOSED TO BE KEPT IN THE CENTER.
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AGAIN, THIS IS THE MOST ORIGINAL REMNANTS OF 84 NORTH HIGH STREET.AND CURRENTLY THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING WIDE HORIZONTAL SIDING.
HERE, STAFF WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, INCLUDING ANY DETAILS THAT MIGHT BE FOUND UNDERNEATH THIS SKIN OF ALMOST PLYWOOD OR MASONITE THAT'S BEEN COVERING THIS BOX BAY DETAIL.
THERE ARE NEW WINDOWS AND ENTRY DOORS HERE.
AND PLEASE NOTE THE OFFSET SASH FOR THE WINDOWS IN THE LOWER LEFT.
THIS IS NOT A TRADITIONAL FORM, SO WE'RE ASKING ABOUT THE WINDOW FORMS AS WELL.
ON THE RIGHT, WE SEE NARROWER SIDING.
WE'RE ACTUALLY THINKING THAT THE TWO SIDING REVEALS OUGHT TO BE FLIPPED.
WE ALSO SEE A SIMPLIFICATION OF THE REPLICATED BOX BAY FORM WITH REMOVAL OF THE DIAGONAL FEATURES AND THE PORK CHOPPER TURNS.
BOAL IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED AT THE FOUNDATION FOR GOOD WEATHER AND MOISTURE CONTROL.
UM, THAT MATERIAL WOULD NEED A WAIVER.
WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT PERHAPS THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE A STONE WATER TABLE THERE TO AGAIN, SORT OF SUPPORT, UM, HISTORIC MATERIALS AND TO BALANCE OUT THE STONE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ELEVATION.
OVERALL, WE BELIEVE THAT MORE EMPHASIS IS NEEDED ON THE PEDESTRIAN ENTRY ENTRYWAYS, AS SUGGESTED BY CODE.
TAKING A LOOK AT THE REAR ELEVATIONS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS SEEN FROM THE RIVER AND THE LINK BRIDGE, THE FIREWALLS ARE AGAIN HIGHLIGHTED JUST FOR REFERENCE.
AND THE NOW LEFT SIDE, UM, AS MR. BASS SAID, IT'S LARGELY HIDDEN BY 20 NORTH STREET.
AND WE SEE THAT HORIZONTAL SIDING AGAIN.
AND WE'RE ALSO NOTING THAT BECAUSE OF THE ROOF LINES AND THE BASIC DESIGN OF THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING, IT'S REALLY HARD TO ADJUST.
SO YOU KNOW THAT THIS SEEMS VERY REASONABLE.
UM, THE CENTER PORTION, UH, WE SEE THE STONE FOUNDATION WITH THE WIDER HORIZONTAL SIDING, THE ADJUSTED WINDOWS AND DOORS, AND THE NEW HVAC SCREENING AREA HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WINDOWS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO HELP BALANCE THAT FACADE.
THIS AREA IS TO BE FULLY STUCCO, INCLUDING THE UPPER GABLE AREA.
WE MAY BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING SOME KIND OF SHINGLE OR SIDING OR SOMETHING JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF INTEREST AND HELP BREAK UP THAT MASS.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE THINKING THAT A STONE WATER TABLE COULD BE REALLY GOOD, BOTH FOR DURABILITY AND TO BALANCE OUT THE OTHER STONE ON THE FACADE.
COUPLE OF ITEMS TO NOTE ON THESE TWO FACADES.
THIS GABLE HERE IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED, AND AS MENTIONED, UM, THE DECKING AND THE RAILS ON ALL SIDES WILL BE, UH, REDESIGNED AND FRESHENED.
THERE IS A REALIGNMENT OF THE STAIRS, AND THE APPLICANT IS KEEPING THESE SIGNATURE ARCH FEATURES.
ITEMS OF NOTE ON THE NORTH SIDE INCLUDE, AGAIN, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE DECKING AND THE RAILS.
AND WE REALLY LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT DOES ADD SOME SHADOW LINES AND HELP BREAK UP THAT MASS.
UM, I THINK WE AGREE THAT THE CURRENT FORM IS, IS QUITE OUTDATED AND, AND NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND AGAIN, WE SEE THE SIGNATURE ARCH FEATURE HERE.
TAKING A LOOK AT THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS, AND THIS FACES THE SCIOTO RIVER.
AGAIN, NOTE THE DECKING AND THE RAILING AND HOW IT SPANS ACROSS TO 72 AND 84.
THERE'S, UM, RAILING ADDED ON THE LOWER LEVEL.
WE HAVE SOME DEBATE ABOUT THE FORM AND THE MATERIALS OF THE RAILING, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME COMMENT ON THAT.
UM, THIS COULD BE A MINIMALIST UNIFYING FEATURE, OR IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS A LITTLE
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BIT MORE HOMAGE TO SOMETHING HISTORIC.NOTE THE STAIRS THAT ARE COMING OUT TOWARDS NORTH STREET, WHICH MAY ACTUALLY INFRINGE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE WILL NEED TO SEE THAT AT NPR.
AND THIS WOULD CERTAINLY BE AFFECTED BY A EP PROJECTS AND THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS AND RETAINING WALLS IN THE AREA.
TAKING A LOOK AT THE OTHER ELEVATIONS, THE SOUTH EL ELEVATION FACES NORTH STREET, JUST TO BE CONFUSING.
THE NORTH ELEVATION FACES THE PARKING AND NOTE THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE WINDOWS.
UH, THE GUIDELINES NOTE TO USE HISTORIC PROPORTIONS AND FORMS. SO WE'RE ASKING ABOUT THAT.
WE SEE THAT THE ENTIRE DECK IS KEPT, AND AGAIN, IT HELPS BREAK UP THE MASS OF THE BUILDING.
AND HERE THERE'S A COVER ON THE DECK, WHICH AGAIN ADDS SOME SHADOW LINES AND SOME DEPTH TO THIS FACADE.
THERE IS THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED BANK OF UNBROKEN GLASS.
ON THE LOWER LEVEL, THIS IS A PRETTY MODERN FORM.
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE A STONE WATER TABLE, AGAIN, FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.
THESE DOORWAYS COULD BE MORE CELEBRATED AS REQUIRED BY CODE.
AND, UH, IT, THERE'S CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO TIE IN WITH THOSE STONE ARCH FEATURES TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, DRAW PEOPLE INTO THE SPACE.
AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION QUESTIONS AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, THE FIRST ONE HAS TO DO WITH WHERE THE ARCHITECTURAL CUES ARE TAKEN FROM.
THE SECOND ONE IS ABOUT, UM, THE SIGNATURE FEATURES.
THE THIRD ARE THE STREET SCAPE OPPORTUNITIES ALONG BOTH NORTH HIGH AND NORTH STREETS.
UH, THE FOURTH HAS TO DO WITH THE WINDOW OPENINGS, AND THEN A WAIVER FOR LACK OF SILLS, LENTILS AND TRIM AT 20 NORTH STREET.
AND THEN FINALLY, SOME COMMENT ON THE DECK RAILINGS, AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING, JUST TO CLARIFY? NO, WE'RE GOOD.
I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE BOX BAY WINDOWS.
SO ON THE ORIGINAL, CALL IT THE ORIGINAL ONE TO ONE TO THE NORTH, GO BACK.
SO IF WE TAKE THE, HOW DO YOU SEE POTENTIALLY REVEALING WHAT WAS UNDER THERE? IT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING ELSE.
MAYBE I WAS JUST A LITTLE UNCLEAR.
IF THEY PULL OFF WHAT'S ON THERE NOW AND WE COME UNDERNEATH AND FIND SOMETHING ELSE UNDER THERE THAT'S UH, UH, LET'S SAY HIS INTERESTING, HOW WOULD WE, WHAT WOULD WE DO WITH THAT? I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA GO AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND TOMORROW, BUT JUST TRY TO SAY YOU PULL IT OFF AND SOMETHING'S UNDER THERE AND IT CHANGES.
KIND OF JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WOULD WE, HOW DO YOU EXPECT, HOW DO WE EXPECT THAT YOU WOULD, WE WOULD MANAGE THAT UNDER THE UNKNOWN, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS APPROACH A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME OF THE HOUSES FOR RIVERVIEW VILLAGE BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN CHANGES OVER TIME.
USUALLY IN HISTORIC BUILDINGS, YOU CAN FIND SOME EVIDENCE OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT UP CLOSELY, ESPECIALLY AT AT THE BOX BAYS THEMSELVES, IT APPEARS THAT EITHER THEY'VE BEEN COVERED OVER WITH SOME KIND OF MASONITE OR EVEN A THIN PLYWOOD.
UM, THEY, THEY DO NOT HAVE WHAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY EXPECT, WHICH WOULD BE SOME KIND OF LAP SIDING, OR IF THIS IS A STICK STYLE FEATURE, THEY MIGHT EVEN HAVE DECORATIVE SIDING UNDERNEATH.
AND THE THOUGHT IS BASED ON THE LACK OF REVEAL BETWEEN THE WINDOW FRAME AND TRIM AND THIS NEW SIDING THAT MAYBE THIS STUFF WAS JUST APPLIED ON THE TOP.
AND IF WE WERE GENTLY ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK UNDER THERE, WE MIGHT GET SOME GREAT CLUES, EVEN IF IT'S JUST GHOSTING OF, OF PREVIOUS BRACKETS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, MAYBE WITH THE APPLICANT TOO, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE, I KNOW THEY'RE NOT HISTORIC, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF A FEATURE.
AND WE DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BOX BAY ITSELF, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE, MAYBE WE CAN ADDRESS THAT WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH MR. BASS TOO, BUT ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT, I DON'T, THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL AND THEY'RE NOT HISTORIC, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF A, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE SEEN AS OSCARS WAS THERE OVER THE COURSE OF TIME THAT THEY YEAH.
UH, THAT COULD BE INTERESTING.
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GO AHEAD.NOW WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE DISCUSSION TO MAKE SURE JUST WE ALL UNDERSTAND A BIT HOW, HOW YOU SEE IT AND HOW WE KIND OF RECONCILE KIND OF WHERE, WHAT YOU SEE VERSUS WHAT, UH, WHAT THE STAFF REPORT HAS.
AND WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO SEE BASED ON THE, I THINK IT WAS THE 1963 ODOT AERIAL THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET, IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE LOWER WINDOW IS EITHER ORIGINAL OR HAS THE SAME OPENING AND PROPORTION AS THE ORIGINAL.
AND THEN WHAT WAS ON TOP ON THE SECOND FLOOR WAS ACTUALLY TWO SINGLE WINDOWS SIDE BY SIDE WITH, UM, TYPICALLY THERE'S A TRIM PIECE MM-HMM
UM, WHAT WE ALSO NOTICED IS THAT THE PROPORTIONS, MEANING THE AREA TO THE CORNER OF THE BOX BAY, WAS RATHER WIDE COMPARED TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED ON THE ELEVATIONS.
WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BOX BAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF NORTH HIGH BREWING.
THERE'S A VERY, VERY SIMILAR FORM, I MEAN, ALMOST A DIRECT MATCH AND USE THAT AS KIND OF A GUIDE.
THERE ARE ALSO OTHER HOUSES THAT WE KNOW OF ACROSS THE COUNTRY, REALLY, THAT ARE STICK STYLE, THAT HAVE THESE VERY UNIQUE, UM,
THEY ARE CHARACTERISTIC BOX BAY ELEMENTS.
AND, AND THEN MAYBE JUST ONE LESS FOR ME.
AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE SIDE IF WE TALK NO, NOW I'M STILL ON, ON HIGH STREET.
IF WE LOOKING NORTH FIRST AT THE THINNER SIDING VERSUS IT GOING, UH, WIDER AS YOU GO SOUTH, UH, AS YOU GO SOUTH.
J JUST YOUR THOUGHT FROM THE, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THE STAFF FROM YOUR SIDE, UH, FROM THE STAFF, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHT.
WHY, WHY, WHY, UH, FROM A HISTORIC OR FROM A MORE CONTINUOUS PERSPECTIVE, WHY DID YOU SEE IT THAT WAY? THERE IS SO LITTLE LEFT OF THE HISTORIC FABRIC FOR THESE ADDRESSES THAT WHAT WE WERE WANTING TO DO IS PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE HOMAGE TO WHAT'S LEFT HISTORICALLY.
AND THE NARROW SIDING WOULD BE MORE TYPICAL OF THE HISTORIC FACADE.
SO THEREFORE, LET'S USE IT ON THE OLDEST FACADE THAT IS MOST ORIGINAL, WHICH IS IN THE CENTER.
THAT WAS THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT.
SO I MEAN, THIS BU THIS BUILDING IS HARD.
I MEAN, THEY'RE HARD, THE ADDITIONS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, WE USED TO CALL IT JUST UGLY
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT.
ORIGINALLY THERE WERE PROBABLY MAYBE FOUR PHASES OF THIS SORT OF, WE HAVE THE HISTORIC MIDDLE, WHICH WAS A HOUSE RIGHT.
THEN WE HAVE AT THE FAR END WAS PROBABLY BUILT WAY, WAY LATER.
20 WAS PROBABLY ALSO BUILT MAYBE BEFORE THE FAR END, BUT LATER THAN THE HOUSE.
SO WHAT HAPPENED IS YOU HAD A HOUSE AND THEY STARTED SURROUNDING IT WITH THINGS.
SO IT SEEMED, IT SEEMS TO ME JUST LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING AND WALKING AROUND IT ALL THE TIME THAT YOU KNOW AS MUCH AS YOU COULD.
AND JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING'S HISTORIC DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S PRETTY, BUT KEEPING THE, THE MIDDLE, UH, THE, THE ORIGINAL ELEMENTS, LOOKING AS MUCH PLAYING P PAYING AS MUCH HOMAGE TO THE HOUSE THAT WAS THERE AS YOU CAN, THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T JUST REPLICATE SOMETHING ANYMORE.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW FOR SURE WHAT WAS THERE.
AND THEN TAKING THOSE OTHER PIECES ARE REALLY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE CONNECTED, THEY'RE REALLY SEPARATE BUILDINGS.
AND SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU PAY HOMAGE TO, OR WHERE, WHERE YOU TAKE YOUR CUES FROM.
AND I'M TRYING TO PLACE IT, ESPECIALLY THAT, UH, SOUTH SIDE AND ELEVATION AND HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK.
WITH WHAT WE JUST APPROVED WITH KATCH.
AND IT SEEMS THAT, TO ME, IT SEEMS THAT THAT END SHOULD LOOK MORE
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LIKE KATCH.THE MIDDLE SHOULD BE AS HISTORIC.
AND THE END, I DON'T KNOW, THE END IS JUST, I WISH YOU WERE JUST TAKING IT DOWN.
WHEN YOU SAY LIKE COHEED, DO YOU MEAN LIKE RIVERVIEW OR LIKE THE HEADQUARTERS FOR CO THE CURRENT HEADQUARTERS FOR, NO, I MEAN LIKE THE CURRENT HEADQUARTERS, A LITTLE, THE MORE MODERN THAT PIECE.
SO THAT'S MY OPINION, OBVIOUSLY.
SO YOU WOULD SEE THE STONE END, WHAT IS NOW STONE TO WANTING IT TO LOOK MORE LIKE KOHE? OH, NO, NO, NO, NO.
I JUST, IT, I WISH IT WASN'T THERE, BUT IT'S
SO WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
I DON'T, THAT STONE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S, IS THAT, WHAT IS THAT, UH, WHAT KIND OF STONE IS THAT ON THERE? IT LOOKS LIKE SEVENTIES OR IT'S NOT FULL.
THAT UNDERNEATH, IT'S NOT 20 NORTH ON UNDERNEATH.
84TH AND NORTH NORTH SIDE, 84TH.
OH, ON THE, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THE ONE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, THE FAR FARTHEST LEFT THAT PIECE.
IT'S THE SAME TO THE LEFT OF THE, WHAT WAS THE HOUSE AND WHAT LOOKS LIKE A HISTORIC BUILDING, EVEN THOUGH IT IS, YEAH, IT IS VERY MUCH SEVENTIES AND, AND IT'S INSTALLED WITH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A PAVER STONE THAT'S INSTALLED VERTICALLY.
THAT'S WHAT
ALMOST LIKE LICK AND STICK STONE.
BUT BEFORE WE GET TO, TO JUST BE TOO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MR GETS A CHANCE, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING IN, BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR, OUR DISCUSSION HERE, JUST AS, UH, THE STAFF JUST GAVE A REPORT, IS ANYTHING YOU WANT TO KIND OF ADD OR CLARIFY INTO WHAT WAS, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE STAFF HAD KIND OF WRAPPING YOUR WAY AROUND AS THEY TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE THEY, I'LL SAY, HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
ANY, ANY FOLLOW UP YOU WANT TO GIVE INTO THAT BEFORE WE MOVE INTO A DISCUSSION? SURE.
UH, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE WINDOWS, UH, SINCE, UH, RECEIVING THE REPORT AND, AND I THINK THE WINDOWS IN THE BAY ARE CERTAINLY THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
AND, UM, THE BE BECAUSE REALLY THE, THE ONLY THING WE REALLY LOOKED AT FROM THE NORTH BUILDING, THE BRIDGE STREET OR THE BRIDGE BUILDINGS, THE NEXT, UH, THE PEARL WERE THE WINDOWS.
AND, UM, THEY WERE SORT OF A, AN AMALGAM OF THE PEARL.
AND ACTUALLY THE NORTH HIGH BREWING, THEY HAVE THE, THE BAY YOU MENTIONED ACTUALLY HAS THE FOUR SQUARE WINDOW, UM, IN THE BAY.
SO THOSE WERE SORT OF DERIVATIVE OF BOTH.
UH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THOSE OPENINGS.
IF, IF THAT, AND THE, THE, THE ONE CHALLENGE THOUGH OF GOING IN AND LOOKING WHAT WAS THERE AND SORT OF RE ARRAYING IT, IS THAT WE'RE KIND OF DOING PATTERN BOOK HISTORY IN A WAY.
UM, I MEAN, WE'RE SORT OF PRIVILEGING A PERIOD.
UM, WELL OUR BACKGROUND IS, WE THINK, WE THINK THESE BUILDINGS WERE ORIGINALLY INDUSTRIAL SHEDS THAT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, OUR ENGINEER WAS IN OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO HAVE A LOOK.
AND THERE'S AN WITHIN AND BEHIND THIS FACADE, 10 FEET OR SO.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER, OSCARS HAD THE BIG SQUARE POST IN THERE.
THOSE ARE REAL, THOSE ARE NOT DECORATIVES.
AND THEY GO DOWN TO A LIMESTONE FOUNDATION AND THEY GO UP TO THE ROOF.
WE, WE CAN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A PRETTY EXPENSIVE INVESTIGATION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FULL EXTENT OF THAT STRUCTURE IS.
BUT WE WERE LOOKING, BECAUSE THE INTENT WAS TO OPEN THE VOLUME UP.
UH, SO AT ONE TIME IT WAS A BARN OR A SHED, AND THEN A HOUSE WAS BUILT AROUND IT.
AND THEN, UH, THE BAY WAS THERE.
WE, WE'D LOVE TO KEEP THE BAYS.
AND, UH, SO, SO, SO WHERE DO WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE FREEZE FRAME? AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, EVERYONE WE TALK TO SEEMS TO REMEMBER OSCARS AND THE OSCARS AND OSCARS.
AND SO THAT, THAT SEEMS TO BE REASONABLE TO SAY WE RESPECT THE FORM THAT'S THERE.
WELL, UH, THE WINDOWS CAN BE, YOU KNOW, MORE LIKE THESE.
WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND, UH, THEY, THE, THE THING WE WANTED TO DO THOUGH IS SORT OF MAKE REPLICABLE REFERENCES ACROSS THOSE BAYS, BUT WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT, AT HOW THEY DO OR DON'T, UM, CARRY ACROSS THE FACADE.
'CAUSE THE, THE SOUTH END IS VERY, VERY DIFFERENT EVEN THOUGH IT HAS THAT GESTURE OF THE BAY.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH HAVING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WINDOWS AND CHANGING THOSE TO BE MORE, UM, LIKE THAT.
AND, AND I AGREE THAT THOSE WINDOWS ARE PROBABLY HISTORIC, THAT PROPORTION.
UH, SO, SO WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE AND WE, WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT.
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BUT YEAH, THE, THE WHOLE, UH, HISTORY OF THIS SITE IS A CHALLENGING DISCUSSION.UH, WE WOULD BE TAKING A PIECE OF HISTORY OVER HERE AND ARRAYING IT ONTO PIECES THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AT SOME POINT.
SO, UM, MAYBE I THINK THAT WE ARE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, MAINTAINING THE SCALE AND THE, THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THESE PIECES AND, AND, UH, FENESTRATION AND, UH, THE WALLS AND, AND THE LANDSCAPE WILL, WILL, UH, WE INTEND TO ENGAGE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
AND I HAVE TO SAY, UH, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE STREET AND, AND IN FRONTING THE STREET AND THE TRELLIS AND, UH, THE PLANTING THERE.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT THE OWNER HAS A DESIRE TO LET THE FINAL ITERATION OF THOSE THINGS BE TENANT DRIVEN.
UM, AND SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK WITH ANY AUTHORITY TONIGHT ON WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE THERE.
UM, ON THE NORTH, ON NORTH STREET, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED, REALLY ACTUALLY, ABOUT TRYING TO MARRY THAT NEW STAIR TO WHATEVER THE CITY IS PROPOSING GOES DOWN TO THE PARK.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD, UH, COMPLIMENT BOTH EFFORTS REALLY.
AND WE LOVE THE WALL THAT'S THERE.
SO THE STAIR GOES AWAY THAT'S THERE.
AND, UH, WE'LL HIDE THE MECHANICALS, UH, EITHER.
UH, I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW THE THINKING IS WE WOULD EITHER PUT 'EM BEHIND A, UH, UH, LANDSCAPING OR MOVE THEM.
UM, SO YEAH, THE INTENT, AND, AND WE ACTUALLY LIKE THE STONE PIECES THAT, THAT YOU SUGGESTED WE KEEP, UM, WE JUST, BUT THAT MEANT WE, WE ACTUALLY WERE INITIALLY TAKING THE WALKWAY OFF AND THEY WOULD BE FREE STANDING, BUT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING THE WALKWAY BACK, WE'RE LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
UH, I DON'T CARE WHEN THEY BUILT 'EM.
WE THINK THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES OR EIGHTIES.
IT KIND OF HAS THAT SENSIBILITY AND THAT WINDOW PATTERN IS REALLY, IT'S INTERESTING.
I MEAN, IT'S REGULAR AS YOU MENTIONED, BUT IT'S A CHECKERBOARD.
AND, UH, THE ONLY PLACE I'VE SEEN THAT IS ON BARNS.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I FOUND A PICTURE DURING OUR, UH, LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE FOR ANOTHER PROJECT AND THERE WAS A BIG RED BARN AND IT HAD WINDOWS LIKE THAT.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE INTENDED THAT TO HAPPEN, BUT, UH, WE LIKED THE IDEA THAT IT COULD BE MORE, UM, AKIN TO AN OLD FEDERAL STYLE OR GEORGIAN SORT OF SIMPLICITY AND LESS WRAP, LESS STODGY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT DOES.
WELL, THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D SAY, SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT, UM, NOW THE PROPOSAL, NOT ATCH ITSELF, BUT, BUT THAT OTHER BUILDING THAT'S GONNA SOUTH OF, UH, THE RED HOUSE, DO YOU REMEMBER THAT ONE? THE HEADQUARTERS BUILDING, RIGHT? SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS, THESE BUILDINGS ON THE CORNER, IT COULD REALLY, I THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA THINK IT TIES MORE INTO THAT WHOLE DEVELOPMENT THAN UP ON THE HIGH STREET.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND SO I, I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, CLEANING THIS UP AND, AND THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED AND MAKING SURE WE KEEP THE STONE ELEMENTS, IT'LL, IT'LL TIE IN MORE TOO INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S GONNA OPEN, IT'S GONNA SPILL OUT ONTO THAT PARK.
ANY FOLLOW UP FOR, WELL, I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
AND THAT'S GOING BACK TO THE NORTH END OF THE PROJECT WHERE YOU'RE GONNA TAKE OUT THIS, THE, UM, SKYLIGHTS.
BUT ARE YOU PROPOSING THEN TO JUST KEEP, BASICALLY THIS, THE STONE FACADE THAT'S ON THAT NORTH END PART OF THE BUILDING? WE SUPPOSED TO KEEP, KEEP THAT THIS SOME, UH, I THINK SARAH CALLED IT THE PAVER STYLE STONE.
THEY STICK, UH, THAT'S THE CURRENT THINKING.
WE TOOK THE PIECE OFF THAT WAS MENTIONED BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO BE MORE RELATED TO THE OLD HOUSE THAN THE MORE END.
SO WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS MORE TRUE TO WHAT WAS THERE TO PUT THE CLAPBOARD ON THE PIECE.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S OBJECTIONABLE.
AND THEN ON THAT, THAT ENTRANCE THERE, IS THERE SOME IDEAS OF HOW TO ENHANCE THE ENTRANCE TO MAKE IT MORE, I GUESS, APPEALABLE OR TO POP A LITTLE BIT THERE ON THAT PART? UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTRANCE HERE ON CAN WE SEE THE, UH, THE, UH, THE INTENTION IS TO MAKE AN INTEREST THAT WOULD BE USEFUL BY A TENANT, WHICH AGAIN,
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A LOT OF TIMES WITH A COMMERCIAL SHELL LIKE THIS, IT'S, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A LIEUTENANT DRIVEN.UH, WE WOULD PROBABLY, UH, THERE, IN CASE IT'S THREE TENANTS, UH, IF THERE THREE TENANTS AND, AND IT'S A BIG BOARD WE JUST MADE, THAT MIGHT BE, IT'S, UH, FLEXIBILITY THERE.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO IT MORE THAN THAT.
WE HAVE A, WE'RE MENTOR ALEXANDER ARCHITECTS AND THEY HAVE
UH, AND IT COULD HAVE SIGNAGE, UH, OR COULD BACKGROUND IT'S WINDOW AND NOT YEAH.
AND I THINK PART OF THE COMMENTS TOO IS BETWEEN 72 AND 84, THOSE ENTRANCES WERE GOING TO BE ENHANCED WHAT, UM, IN PART OF THE COMMENTS ANYWAY.
IF IT STAYS THE WAY IT IS, IT'S NOT APPEALING TO ME AT ALL.
I THINK THAT WAS MY CONCERN, IS THAT IT JUST IN THE PROPOSAL IN DISCUSSING WHERE THAT, UH, NOW I WILL NEVER GET IT OUTTA MY BRAIN, THE PAVER SIDING
BUT I JUST WONDERED ABOUT IF THERE WAS ANY THOUGHT TO PERHAPS MORE THAN JUST YOU, YOU HAVE CHANGED THE WINDOWS, OBVIOUSLY, AND THE DOOR OR THE ENTRANCE THERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT MORE SPECIAL
WAS WONDERING IF THERE HAD BEEN ANY THOUGHT TO THAT.
WHAT'S CHALLENGING WITH THAT, LOOKING AT THAT VISUALLY FROM US, FROM THE STREET, IT'S SO CLUTTERED BETWEEN THE TREES AND THE TRELLIS AND THE BUSH.
I MEAN, I MEAN, WHEN I SAW THIS, I'M GOING, IS THAT REALLY BEHIND ALL THAT STUFF? SO I THINK TO GET A GOOD VISUAL, I THINK THERE'S HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT WHOLE FRONT AREA POP AND MAKE THAT MORE INVITING TO THAT.
SO I THINK ONCE THAT ALL GETS OPENED UP, UM, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE HUGE.
I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHEN WE TOURED THAT ON OUR HISTORIC SITE TOUR.
I DON'T REMEMBER BEING IN THIS PART OF THAT BUILDING.
SO I'M NOT SURE
I WAS IT EVEN, IS IT EVEN CONNECTED TO THE RESTAURANT OR WHAT IS THAT? WAS, UH, NO, THERE WAS A, UH, CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC BACK ON YOUR MIC? YOUR MIC TURNED OFF.
IF YOU COULD JUST, YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.
THERE WAS A CORRIDOR BETWEEN TO THE LEFT OF THAT FIREWALL, AND THOSE WERE OFFICES, SO THEY, I THINK THE RESTAURANT USED THE OFFICES, BUT THEY WERE NOT EATING AND DINING FUNCTION.
BUT WHEN WE WERE INSIDE, WE TOURED INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THIS FACILITY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, IT WAS JUST INTERESTING THAT I DON'T REMEMBER EVEN BEING IN THIS LOWER LEFT AREA.
WHICH, LIKE YOU SAID, IT COULD BE OFFICES.
I REMEMBER THAT IN THE OTHER PARTS OF THE BUILDINGS, WE WERE GOING UP AND DOWN THE STEPS AND IT WAS QUITE CUT UP INSIDE.
BUT I DON'T REMEMBER BEING INSIDE THIS PART OF IT.
BUT I THINK JUST FROM A, TRYING TO GET A VISUAL, I MEAN, TRYING TO HELP MAKE SURE YOU GET THE RIGHT THING.
I THINK EVERYBODY SAYING WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENTRANCES SOMEHOW OKAY.
HARD TO SAY WHAT THE HARD SCAPE WILL LOOK LIKE IN FRONT OF HIM, BUT THE ENTRANCES SHOULD BE PROMINENT ENOUGH THAT, THAT, THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE.
UNLESS IT BECOMES IN HIS END USE.
NO, UNLESS IT DOESN'T HAVE ANOTHER, UNLESS IT'S NOT AN ENTRANCE.
BUT JUST MAYBE ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE YOU, AND JUST FOR ME, ACCUSED ON THE ON 20, UM, I, I LOOK AT THAT AND IT, IT FEELS A LITTLE, UM, UH, SAY IT'S, I DON'T WANNA USE A BAD WORD HERE, BUT IT LOOKS A LITTLE UNINTERESTING, RIGHT? IT'S KIND OF WINDOWS AND WALL.
WHAT, THE 72 BUILDING? NO, I'M TALKING NOW, I'M
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BACK ON 20 ON THE OTHER SIDE.NO, I'M FACING THE BRIDGE, THE BARN.
SO AS I LOOK AT THAT, 'CAUSE CERTAINLY THIS IS, YEAH, FOR ME, JUST THINKING ABOUT IT, UH, I'M SORRY I SWITCHED SIDES ON YOU, BUT, UH, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE THE NORTH ELEVATION, THESE TWO ELEVATIONS MORE OR LESS FROM THE BRIDGE.
I MEAN, SO THESE WILL LOOK DOWN, THESE WILL BE, PEOPLE WILL SEE THESE AS THEY LOOK DOWN TOWARD, UM, RIVERVIEW PARK.
I THINK THEY'LL SEE THE NORTH, THEY'LL SEE THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, NOT THE LEFT.
THE SOUTH THE RIGHT ELEVATION.
THE NORTH, IF YOU GO FROM THE NORTH AND THE, SORRY, IN THE EAST SIDE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THOSE TWO WALLS, WHICH I, I WOULD SAY ARE FAIRLY WITH BOARD AND BATTEN.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF WINDOWS THERE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE PORCH ELEMENTS THERE, WHICH I THINK WERE GOOD THAT IT MAYBE GOES AWAY.
BUT YOU ALSO HAD THE RAILING OF THE, LET'S SAY THE, THE, THE RAILINGS THAT WERE THERE THAT KIND OF GAVE SOME INTEREST.
SO I'M JUST TRYING, SO JUST FOR ME, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, YOU, YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE THIS MORE SYMPATHETIC TOWARD KATCH.
I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU WANTED IT TO, TO, TO BLEND THAT WAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT HAS TO LIVE IN BOTH WORLDS.
I MEAN, IT FEELS LIKE IT, IT, IT NEEDS THAT REFRESH THAT RELATES TO, I MEAN, WE HAVE A, A SUPER HIGH TECH PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY AND, UH, THE WHOLE HALF OF THE CITY OVER THERE, MODERN ARCHITECTURE AND EVEN THE HOUSING NORTH OF OUR SITE, ALL VERY, UH, CONTEMPORARY MM-HMM
AND SO THE INTENT HERE WAS TO USE THE LANGUAGE OF THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE, THE PROPORTIONS, THE SCALE OF THE PIECES, BUT REARRANGE THEM IN A LITTLE MORE MODERN, UH, COMPOSITION.
SO I I I HAVE TO SAY, MY EARS AS I GET OLDER DON'T DEAL WITH THESE ACOUSTICS SO WELL, BUT SO WAS THAT YOUR QUESTION? WHAT ARE WE YEAH, FOR ME, 'CAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE A, I THINK IN THERE TO, TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, UH, UH, THIS CODE, WE TALK ABOUT HAVING LENTILS AND SILLS INSIDE OF A, A HISTORIC KIND OF THING.
AND THIS, YOU'VE REALLY MADE IT QUITE MODERN.
IT'S REALLY KIND STARK AND I WOULD CALL IT MORE, MORE MODERN, MORE CONTEMPORARY.
AND JUST FOR ME, YOU WANT TO TIE IT INTO KATCH.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU, YOU'VE ENVISIONED, I WOULD SAY, PEOPLE DRIVING UP THE STREET OR SEEING IT FROM THE BRIDGE.
YOUR VISION IS THAT TIES AS YOU MOVE DOWN, DOWN, UH, GOING SOUTH INTO THE, INTO WHAT WE KIND OF APPROVED LAST MONTH.
WELL, AS I SAID, I, I THINK THAT IT, I THINK THAT THE INTENT IS TO MAKE IT, I MEAN, PEOPLE WILL SEE WHAT THEY SEE, BUT AT FIRST BLUSH, IT'S BOARD AND BAT SIDING.
IT'S VERY TRADITIONAL MATERIAL.
THE WINDOW PROPORTIONS ARE LIKE A MASON, OLD MASONRY BUILDING.
IT'S A VERY SIMPLE VOLUME, LIKE AN OLD GEORGIAN BUILDING OR A FEDERAL STYLE FEDERAL, UH, NOT UNLIKE, UH, THE BUILDING THAT USED TO BE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF BRIDGE AND HIGH STREET YEARS AGO.
UH, OR EVEN THE DONATOS BUILDING, THAT SORT OF SIMPLICITY.
SO THOSE ARE ALL PRESENT AND THOSE ARE ALL SORT OF HISTORIC, UH, CUES, IF YOU WILL.
BUT THE, THE ONLY GAME IS THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE WINDOWS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE MODEL, IF WE, UH, CAN SEE A VIEW OF THE MODEL, UH, IF WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION, YOU SEE THEY'RE ALL INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS.
AND THE ONLY THING WE DID TO SORT OF MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE MORE MODERN IS, UH, COLOR THE SIDING BETWEEN CERTAIN WINDOWS.
AND SO IT CREATES A PATTERN ON THE FACADE THAT IS MORE INTERESTING THAN JUST THE BIG BARN.
UH, EVEN THOUGH THE BASIS OF THIS COMPOSITION IS THE OLD WINDOWS, THEY'RE ALL THERE.
UH, SO IT'S ALL THE OLD WINDOWS ARE THERE.
AND THEN ON THE BIG CORNER ON THAT NORTH SIDE, TO YOUR POINT, UH, THE BOTTOM RIGHT, UH, PICTURE THAT BIG THING THAT LOOKS LIKE A CORNER WINDOW, AND IT'S VERY DARK HERE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG SHEET OF THE SAME THING, BUT IT'S FOUR OR FIVE INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS AND WE JUST COLOR THE SIDING BETWEEN THEM.
SO, UH, IF YOU WALK BY AND YOU WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION, YOU MIGHT FEEL LIKE IT'S PART OF THE HISTORIC FABRIC.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK FROM ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND YOU SEE THE BIGGER COMPOSITION, IT MAY BE MORE, UH, RELATED TO THAT EXPERIENCE AS WELL.
IT'S, IT'S TRYING TO BE A BOTH AND IS, DID THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? IT DOES.
I MEAN, FOR ME, MY PERSONAL IS, IT'S A BIT, UH, IT'S, IT FEELS A, OKAY, IT'S A RENDERING WITHOUT COLOR.
YOU PROBABLY WON'T LOOK EXACTLY LIKE IT FEELS A BIT, UM, THE MASSING FEELS A BIT STARK FOR ME WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THE WINDOWS AND THE, AND 'CAUSE NOW YOU HAVE A MODERN RAILING AND IT, IT, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT.
SO IT LOOKS FAIRLY STARK TO ME.
BUT MY FIRST, UH, THE MASSING DOESN'T, IT SPEAKS TO A BIG WALL AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING ELSE.
THAT'S HOW IT SPEAKS TO ME, SO, OKAY.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP BEFORE WE GO INTO KIND OF THE QUESTIONS FROM THE STAFF? YEP.
I MEAN, I THINK JUST FOR ME IS THE SILLS AND I MEAN, KIND OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE, THE, UH, CODE WOULD TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, PUTTING, UH, PUTTING, UM, LENTILS AND SILLS AND JUST TO GIVE IT A VIEW.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS MORE MODERN, BUT IT GIVES YOU SOMETHING THAT KIND OF PULLS YOU INTO, AS WE GO DOWN RIVER,
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UH, GOING DOWN, DOWN SOUTH INTO THE NEW, UH, WHAT WE JUST APPROVED LAST MONTH.SARAH, DO YOU HAVE THAT PICTURE WITH KATCH WHERE YOU HAD THOSE SPOT PICTURES? THE CURRENT KATCH BUILDING? THE, UH, THE ONE THING THAT DOESN'T SHOW SO WELL IN THAT MODEL IS THAT BOARD AND BATTENS ARE RATIONALIZE WITH THE WINDOWS.
SO WHILE, UM, THE REPORT SAYS THEY'RE UN TRIMMED, THEY'RE TRIMMED BY A PIECE OF WOOD THAT ALIGNS WITH THE BOARD AND BAT UNLIKE OR NOT UNLIKE ATCH.
IT'S JUST NOT AN EXPRESSED SORT OF, UH, HISTORIC TRIM.
AND, UH, WE DIDN'T GET TO THE POINT OF SILLS, BUT WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SILLS.
UH, WE ALSO, I MEAN THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH INTRODUCING A, A, UH, LARGER TRIM IN A BOARD AND BATTEN BUILDING, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR REFERENCE PICTURES AT SOME POINT, IS THAT IT INTRODUCES A NEW GEOMETRY INSIDE THE BOARD AND BAT.
SO, UH, AND WE, IF WE LOOK AT THE BOARD AND BAT LATER, I THINK YOU'LL GET A SENSE OF HOW THAT TONES DOWN, THAT STARKNESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT JUST DOESN'T SHOW UP IN OUR MODEL.
AND JUST LOOKING AT THE KATCH PICTURE THERE, AND THEN LOOKING AT THAT, IT KIND OF DOES MATCH MORE TO WHAT KATCH HAS KIND OF DONE ON THAT CORNER.
SO IF YOU'RE COMING ACROSS THE BRIDGE, LOOKING AT THAT BUILDING HEADING WEST AND LOOKING OFF TO ATCH KIND OF FITS THAT SAME ARCHITECTURE.
YOU MEAN HEADING EAST FROM THE HIGH STREET OR HEADING, HEADING WEST OFF THE BRIDGE? COMING ACROSS THE BRIDGE GOING WEST.
YEAH, THE TWO BUILDINGS, I MEAN, IF I LOOK AT THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COLOR WILL BE, BUT I WOULD SAY THE 20 IS REALLY VERY SIMILAR TO YEAH, THE THIRD ONE FROM THE RIGHT.
SO IT'LL LOOK VERY, YOU WOULD SEE IT MORE OR LESS, IT WOULD LOOK MORE OR LESS LIKE THAT IS THE WAY I, I VIEW WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE, FROM, FROM, FROM YOUR RENDERING, MAYBE A SIMILAR GENRE.
BUT LIKE I SAID, UH, THE ONE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ONE AND KATCH IS, UH, BY AND LARGE, ALL OF OUR WINDOWS ARE STILL THE TRADITIONAL SIZE, AND THEY HAVE SOME RATHER LARGE WINDOWS ON THEIRS.
ACTUALLY FROM THE NORTH WE HAVE THE EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE BOTTOM.
THAT MAY BRING IT MORE INTO RELATION WITH THAT IMAGE.
I THINK THEN WE MIGHT HAVE A FEW MORE FOR YOU.
IF YOU WANNA PUT UP THE KIND OF THE QUE THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, DISCUSSION DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
UH, SO ON THE FIRST ONE, UM, SUPPORT ATCH AND THE PEARL, OR DO WE THINK THE, THE SHOULD FOCUS MORE ON THE MORE HISTORIC, UH, PROPERTIES THAT, UH, NORTH HIGH BREWING AND 53 AND 62? I THINK, I THINK IT'S MORE THAT, UM, NORTH THAT, UM, SOUTH CORNER AND THAT NORTH OFF NORTH EYE, THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO ME.
IF YOU'RE GONNA DO ANYTHING, YOU TEAR ALL THE STONE OFF THAT OTHER END AND JUST GET RID OF THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, DO YOU BLEND THAT IN? BUT I'M LOOKING MORE AT THAT CORNER.
AND THEN THE ONE ON, UM, NORTH STREET, THE HIGH STREET BUILDING.
SO 72 AND 84, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BLEND MORE WITH, UM, NORTH HIGH BREWING, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE ON THE SAME STREET RIGHT THERE.
THE 20 NORTH STREET IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM NORTH HIGH.
AND SO I DO WANT SOME OF THAT.
PLUS IT'S GONNA BE LOOKING OVER RIVERVIEW PARK WITH THE OLDER HOUSES THERE.
THE, THE MODERN BUILDING IN RIVERVIEW PARK IS GONNA BE BACK AWAY FROM IT.
AND HOPEFULLY, WELL, IT WON'T BE IN THE WOODS, BUT, UM, IT'S, I THINK IT'S FURTHER AWAY AND LESS RELATIONSHIPS.
SO THE NORTH HIGH SIDE OF IT MAYBE SHOULD HAVE THE LENTILS OR THE OLDER EXPRESSION JUST TO RELATE IT TO THE OLDER BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THAT SIDE.
IN MY VIEW, THAT'S MY OPINION.
UM, AS FAR AS THE SOUTH SIDE, THE ONE THAT'S LOOKING THAT THE, YOU'LL SEE FROM THE BRIDGE, MAYBE THAT CAN PICK UP WITH ATCH, BUT YOU WANT IT TO BE UNIFORM.
SO I, I'M NOT SURE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.
THE SOUTH ON THE SOUTH END OF THE WHOLE COMPLEX.
I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, EVEN THE KOHE, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT OLD, YOU'VE GOT NEW, IT'S RIGHT, IT'S ITERATIONS, DIFFERENT ITERATIONS.
I MEAN, DEFINITELY THE HOUSE PORTION OF THIS REFLECTS THE NORTH HIGH BREWING BUILDING, RIGHT? WITH THE BOX, UH, BAY AND I I THINK, SO THAT NEEDS TO REFLECT THAT.
UH, ABSOLUTELY THEY'RE SIMILAR, RIGHT? THE 20 PROBABLY IS, UH, IT'S, IT PROBABLY REFLECTS MORE THE CONTEMPORARY BUILDING AND THE BUILDING.
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THIS IS HOW IT DEVELOPS.IT DEVELOPS A PIECE AT A TIME IN DIFFERENT TIMEFRAMES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA GO BACK AND MAKE SOMETHING LOOK LIKE WHAT IT WASN'T INTENDED TO BE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND AS, UM, UH, MR. BASS SAID, WHY ARE WE SELECTING THE 18 HUNDREDS AS OUR PREFERRED? YOU KNOW, WHY ISN'T IT THE SEVENTIES AND ALL OF ITS GOD AWFUL PRESENTATIONS? YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE DO WANNA GLORIFY THE SEVENTIES
SO IF THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES, THAT'S HISTORIC TOO.
WE SHOULD SKIP THE SEVENTIES
I'M DONE WITH PEAS AND CARROTS.
HAVING GROWN UP IN A HOUSE BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES.
I THINK WE COULD SKIP THIS, BUT, BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
NO, I, I'M, I'M THERE WITH YOU AS WELL.
BUT YES,
AND VERSUS AN ULTRAMODERN, ONE OF THE THINGS ON THE KATCH BUILDING IS ROUND WINDOWS AND I THINK THE, UH, ADJACENT THE 20 NORTH, IT IS ADJACENT AND ATTACHED TO VIRTUALLY SET THE OTHER TWO ON HIGH STREET.
AND I THINK THAT IT SHOULD, IN MY OPINION, IT WILL GIVE A BETTER VIEW, COHESIVE VIEW TO THE WHOLE PROJECT IF IT IS NOT AS MODERN AS MAYBE THE CO HATCH, THE EXISTING CO HATCH IS.
AND WITH RESPECT TO THE NEW KATCH BUILDING, WE, WE HAVE A NEW, THAT'S A WHOLE NEW BUILD.
YOUR PROJECT HERE IS A MINOR PROJECT FOR, UH, SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR STRUCTURE, ET CETERA, NOT A GROUND UP START.
SO I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE PROJECTS AND THEY ARE, KATCH IS, AND THE CITY HAVE WORKED TOGETHER VERY CLOSELY TO UTILIZE AND KEEP THE THREE HOUSES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS AND AS WELL AS THE ONE AT 53, WHICH IS THE RED HOUSE SLASH MAYBE FORMERLY A TANNERY, IT IS BEING REALLY KEPT AS IN, IN THE HISTORIC STYLE.
AND THEN THE NEW BUILD THAT'S GOING IN THERE TO THE SOUTH IS ALSO CONCEALED CONSIDERABLY BY THE TERRAIN OF IT DROPPING DOWN TO THE RIVER.
SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A MODERN STRUCTURE SITTING UP ON RIVERVIEW STREET.
WE HAVE SOMEWHAT MODERN STRUCTURE, BUT LOW, NOT REALLY HIGH, AND THEN IT DROPS DOWN.
SO I THINK THAT WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THERE IS TO INCORPORATE NATURAL FEATURES INTO THE DESIGN.
YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE, THE ROAD.
BUT I DO THINK THAT PICKING UP SOME OF THE HISTORIC, BECAUSE YOU ARE THAT SOUTH END OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS IN THE MOST HISTORIC AREA OF THE OLD DUBLIN BUILDINGS, I GUESS ON HIGH STREET.
AND IT IS GONNA BE VERY VISIBLE FROM HIGH STREET COMING UP.
SO THAT, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION IS I DO FAVOR THE MORE HISTORIC LOOK.
AND, AND IT'S JUST, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE ALL KIND OF CLEAR THAT IT LOOKS LIKE, AT LEAST ON HIGH STREET, WE SEE THAT BEING MORE COHESIVE TOWARD, UH, NORTH HIGH BREWING.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S CLEAR THAT, THAT, I MEAN, HOW YOU, I MEAN HOW THE STAFF HAD, UH, OKAY, MAYBE WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH THE FINAL MIRE PROJECT, YOU KNOW WHERE THE STONE IS AND IF IT'S ON WHICH BUILDING, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS AS WE GET THERE.
BUT TRYING TO KEEP THE, UH, FLOW OF THE HORIZONTAL, I THINK AS THE STAFF HAD IT, AND I THINK THE BOX BAYS, WE WILL GET TO THAT, BUT I THINK WE'RE, WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT I THINK HAVING THAT FLOW LOOK MORE LIKE NORTH HIGH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S CLEAR.
LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE SPLIT AROUND AS WE MAKE, MAKE THE BEND.
I MEAN, FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SOFTEN THE MODERATE ON THE 20.
UH, I MEAN, AS YOU SAY, IT'S STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR ME THE MASSING LOOKS FOR ME QUITE STARK.
YOU KNOW, IF WE START TO THINK ABOUT THE MORE MODERN RAILINGS THAT ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE, YOU CAN'T SEE THEM AS WELL.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE WALL BEHIND IT.
IT FEELS LIKE IT'S VERY MASSIVE AND IT KIND OF SITS THERE OFF.
AND IF I'M LOOKING AT IT REALLY FROM THE BRIDGE, IT'S KIND OF SITTING AS A, A BIG WALL OF BOARD AND BATTEN WITH THE WINDOWS.
IT, FOR ME IS A LITTLE LESS INTERESTING THAN, THAN THE BUILDING THAT'S SITTING THERE.
EVEN THOUGH THE SEVENTIES, WE MAY NOT LIKE THE ARCHITECTURE.
IT'S GOT SOME ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST TO IT IN A CERTAIN SENSE.
SO FOR ME, I THINK, UH, IS EVERYBODY KIND OF THAT, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A SPLIT ON 20 ABOUT HOW THAT MIGHT LOOK, BUT, UH, BUT, UH, I THINK, UH, HIGH STREET, I THINK WE'RE GOOD BENDING AROUND NORTH,
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UH, NORTH STREET.I THINK IT'S, UH, TRYING TO SOFT, I SEE A LITTLE DISCREPANCY ABOUT SOFTENING THE MORE MODERN TO A MORE, MORE, UH, MORE HISTORIC.
SO THAT, WE'RE A LITTLE SPLIT ON THAT ONE THOUGH, I THINK, UH, FROM THE BOARD.
BUT WE'LL SEE IF YOU CAN MAYBE TAKE A FEW OF THOSE CUES AS YOU, AS YOU GO FORWARD.
UH, AT LEAST FROM A, FROM A, WHERE THE ARCHITECTURAL CUES COULD COME FROM.
AND IF I CAN SUGGEST GOING TO NUMBER FOUR, THIS WOULD BE ONE WAY TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
AND NUMBER FOUR, OUR DISCUSSION POINT.
WE'LL COME TO THAT JUST SO WE DON'T GET TOO FAR OUTTA ORDER HERE.
SO THAT, 'CAUSE THAT COULD BE ONE WAY TO SOFTEN THE THING.
SO DOES THAT HELP YOU ON ONE YOUR, THAT HELP YOU? WE'LL COME TO THE BOT, WE'LL COME TO SOME OF, THEY'RE ALL A LITTLE INTERTWINED, BUT, UH, DOES THAT HELP YOU A BIT ON WHERE THE CUES SHOULD COME FROM FOR THE, FOR THE ARCHITECTURE? YES.
SOFTENING THE 20, I THINK WE'RE MAYBE NOT FULLY ALIGNED ON THAT ONE, BUT NO, I DON'T, I I'M NOT, I'M FINE WITH SOFTENING IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DO THINK IT'S STILL MODERN
I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE HIGH STREET.
WHERE, WHERE THERE IS A DIVISION.
BUT I THINK HIGH STREET, SOME OF US WOULD LIKE IT MORE OLD, HISTORIC, OTHERS ARE OKAY WITH MORE RECENT HISTORY.
BUT GIVING YOU A LITTLE CHALLENGE,
UH, SO THE SECOND ONE, UH, ON THE PRESERVATION OF PRESERVATION EMPHASIS OF IDENTIFIED SIGNATURE FEATURES, THERE WERE, I THINK YOU HAD THREE OF THEM.
WE HAD THE BOX BAY WINDOWS, THE HISTORIC WALLS, AND THEN THE, UM, NEW STONE WALL FEATURES ON 20.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NOT A DIS INTERESTED.
THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE KEEPING IT ANYWAY, AND YEAH.
UNLESS ANYBODY ON THE BOARD THINKS THEY'RE UGLY AND WANTS TO GET RID OF THEM.
NO, I MEAN, THE ONLY ONE NOW I THINK IS THE EMPHASIS SIGNALS.
I MEAN, I THINK THEY'RE FOR THE, CERTAINLY THE BOX BAY WINDOWS, WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU'RE GONNA, FOR HOW THEY'RE GONNA LOOK.
I MEAN, YOURS WERE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ARRANGED THAN I THINK, UH, THAT ORIGINALLY THERE.
AND WILL YOU KEEP THIS DANG GLASS AND A FEW OF THOSE THINGS? I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE AND THAT JUST OH, YEAH.
THE STAINED GLASS STAIN GLASS.
AND JUST HOW WE SEE, 'CAUSE I THINK FROM OUR, AT LEAST FROM THE YEAH, WE NEVER GOT AN ANSWER ON THAT.
THIS PERSPECTIVE IS, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THEM MORE OR LESS AS THEY ARE PERS PERSPECTIVE TODAY.
BUT, UH, THE, UH, I SAW A DRAWING TODAY.
WE TALKED OVER A DRAWING TODAY WITH THE FENESTRATION EXACTLY AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND THE QUESTION ABOUT THE STAINED GLASS WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT, WE'RE ON SITE TOMORROW AT NINE.
UH, IF ANY OF YOU ARE WELCOME TO JOIN US AND WALK THROUGH THAT BUILDING, UH, WE'RE NOT CERTAIN IF THAT, UH, STAINED GLASS IS STAINED GLASS OR IF IT'S JUST A FAKE.
BUT, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER CHALLENGE WITH THAT.
IT'S, IT'S A SINGLE PANE, SO WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE SOME STORM WINDOWS OR SOMETHING TO MAKE THAT YEP.
SUSTAINABLE OR LESS THAN SUSTAINABLE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK ON THAT ONE, I THINK IF YOU COULD COME BACK AND SAY, IF, IF SOME REASON YOU CAN'T KEEP THEM, AT LEAST LET US GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THAT REASON, UH, ON THAT ONE.
BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THE WALLS, THE, THE ARCH IN THE BACK, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'VE TOLD US THAT YOU'RE CLEAR YOU WERE GONNA KEEP THOSE AND, AND MANAGE THAT.
UM, UH, BOARD'S OPINION ABOUT THE STREET SCAPE OPPORTUNITIES ON, ON NORTH HIGH AND NORTH STREET.
I THINK I ALREADY STRESSED MIKE
YOU KNOW, JUST GETTING THAT ALL CLEANED UP AND, AND FLOW.
WELL, THERE'S HUGE OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, TO GRAZE THAT.
AND AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON NORTH STREET YET WITH ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY ISSUES THAT WE'RE ALSO DEALING WITH BLACKSMITH AND ALL THAT AS WELL.
SO, BUT I THINK JUST MAKING IMPROVEMENT OUT FRONT THERE IN THE STREETS, SCAPE WILL BE JUST HUGE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
DID I HEAR YOU SAY THOUGH, THAT YOU WERE, SOME OF THAT MIGHT BE DICTATED BY THE 10, WHOEVER THE TENANTS END UP BEING, AND IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WAS AN ANTICIPATION.
THERE'D BE ANOTHER RESTAURANT IN THERE, RIGHT? SORRY.
NO, THERE, THERE WON'T BE A RESTAURANT.
AND SO, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU THOUGHT THAT FRONT, HOW THE FRONTS WOULD BE, WOULD BE DICTATED A LITTLE BIT BY THE TENANT, OR THE TENANT WOULD WANNA HAVE SOME INPUT.
WELL, THE ENTRANCE, NO, I LOVE THE IDEA THAT STAFF MENTIONED ABOUT A PUBLIC SPACE OUT THERE.
AND I THINK THE MERCHANTS WOULD TOO.
TRAFFIC IS GREAT, BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE TENANT DRIVEN.
UM, WE'LL SEE, WE'LL BRING THIS, UH, CONVERSATION BACK TO THE OWNER AND SEE WHAT THEY WILL, UM, DO TO GO ALONG WITH US.
OH, UH, SIR, WOULDN'T WE HAVE TO HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT IN FRONT OF US? YES.
SO, UM, AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT AS PART OF THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.
AND, UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT THIS CONCEPT OKAY.
MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS THAT, UM,
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THIS PROJECT IS REALLY TOO IMPORTANT TO LEAVE IT TO KIND OF A PIECEMEAL APPROACH.WE WANNA SEE SOMETHING THAT IS HOLISTIC, THAT BRINGS, I MEAN, THIS IS AN ENTIRE BLOCK IN OUR RATHER COMPACT DISTRICT, AND WE WANNA SEE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO, UM, BRING IT TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE DORA DISTRICT AS WELL, RIGHT? I'M SORRY? THAT'S IN DORA AREA.
THAT'S PART OF THE DORA DISTRICT.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT, THAT I WOULD JUST OBSERVE IS THAT IF THIS IS ALL APPROVED AS SOMETHING PART OF A MINOR PROJECT, THEN THAT IS VERY PREDICTABLE AND IT'S READY TO ROLL FOR THOSE TENANTS.
IF IT IS LEFT TO THE TENANTS TO DO, THEN THAT IS A HUGE OPEN-ENDED.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND IT'S MORE TIME AND, AND UNPREDICTABILITY IN THEIR MINDS.
SO I, I, I GUESS WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN YOU WERE SAYING TENANT DRIVEN IS THEY WOULD WANNA HAVE SOME INPUT, BUT NO, I WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE A COHESIVE PLAN.
I DO RESPECT THOUGH, YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT WHETHER THE DOOR ON, LIKE THE STONE END OR THE NORTH END, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE A DOOR OR A WINDOW, MIGHT BE DETERMINED AS A RESULT OF IF THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE TENANT, ET CETERA.
SO WE, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MAYBE WILL BE SOMETHING THAT'LL BE DEVELOPED BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN YOU SUBMIT YOUR PLAN.
AND, AND I AGREE, I THINK WE HAD, JUST TO CLARIFY, EXCUSE ME, IF, IF AN ADDITIONAL TENANT WANTED TO GO IN AND WE NEEDED AN ADDITIONAL DOOR IN LIEU OF A WINDOW, WE CAN HANDLE THOSE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN THAT WHOLE FRONTAGE OF NORTH HIGH STREET AND WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN AND, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW DOOR THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO ALL OF THAT SITS INSIDE.
I MEAN, IT SITS INSIDE A, ALL ALL OF THAT TO THE FRONT OF, OR TO THE RIGHT OF WAY IS PRIVATE.
I MEAN, IT BELONGS TO THE TENANT, RIGHT? ALL OF THAT BELONGS TO, TO THE OWNER, PROPERTY OWNER.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW HAVING A PUBLICLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT MIGHT WORK FROM A, FROM A, EVEN FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, BUT CERTAINLY HAVING PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO INTERACT AND I THINK WOULD BE GREAT.
BUT I THINK FOR ME, WE NEED TO KIND OF SEE HOW YOU WOULD SEE IT.
AND MAYBE FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HAVING BENCHES AND PEOPLE OUT ON A FRIDAY NIGHT HAVING A BEER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
BUT CERTAINLY AT THE MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU GET INTO THIS SPACE, HOW IT'LL BE USED, YOU KNOW, GR YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAY, CLEANING IT UP AND MAKING SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR HOW YOU GET IN AND OUT IF SOMEHOW YOU CAN MAKE IT SO IT'S MORE PUBLIC, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
WHERE PEOPLE COULD GATHER ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON, WHATEVER.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT EXACTLY WORKS FROM A, FROM A, FROM A, A LIABILITY STANDPOINT.
BUT, UH, I THINK FROM THAT STAND, IT NEEDS TO BE A HOLISTIC PLAN WHEN YOU COME BACK.
I KNOW, I THINK, AS YOU SAY, HAVING THE, HAVING A HAVING WILL COME BACK LATER, I THINK IS, WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO APPROVE.
SO DOES THE BOARD SUPPORT WINDOW, WINDOW OPENINGS AS SHOWN, WOULD THE BOARD SUPPORT A WAIVER FOR LACK OF SILLS, LENTILS, AND TRIM ON 20? I THINK WE ALL AGREED AND WE WANT LENTILS AND ALL
WELL, I CAN, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT YEAH, I WANT MORE DETAIL.
I WANT IT TO LOOK TOWARDS THE MORE HIS, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT.
THE OLDER HISTORIC
LESS BARN, LIKE, MIKE, ANYTHING THERE ANYTHING FROM, OKAY.
I THINK, I THINK WE, I THINK WE'D ASKED YEAH.
FOR HIM TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I THINK WE NEED, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT MIX OF LIKE, WHERE, WHERE CAN WE GET THE NEW AND THE MODERN VERSUS NEW AND THE, AND THE OLD, RIGHT? YEAH.
I, I THINK WE'RE CERTAINLY GIVING YOU A CHALLENGE.
SO YOU'RE KIND OF, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PIECE SITS KIND OF IN THE TRANSITIONAL KIND OF AREA, ESPECIALLY IN THE BACK.
AND I, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF SAYING IT CAN'T BE FULL.
IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE FULLY MODERN, AND WE KNOW IT NEEDS TO TRANSITION TOWARD THE KATCH.
SO YEAH, HOW YOU CAN DO THAT IN A WAY THAT, UH, KIND OF, AS YOU SAY, PAYS HOMAGE TO KIND OF THE OLD AND AS YOU'RE TRANSITIONING INTO, INTO THE NEW.
BUT I THINK WE ALL LOOKS LIKE FROM A WAIVER STANDPOINT, WE, WE, WE WOULDN'T BE TOO SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING TO GOING, UH, UH, FAR OUTSIDE OF THE CODE, SPECIFICALLY ON THE WINDOWS.
SO, UH, AS I MENTIONED THAT I THINK YOU'RE BLIGHT, YOU'RE, AS I MENTIONED, I I, THE, THERE'S ACTUALLY TRIM ON THE WINDOWS.
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BE, UH, INDEXED TO THE BOARD AND BATTEN.SO, UH, AND, AND SILLS ARE NOT A PROBLEM, BUT I, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE A FAT HISTORIC TRIM? IS THAT, IS THAT SORT OF WHERE WE ARE? I JUST ASK HIM.
YEAH, I CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE A LITTLE CONFUSED TOO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF OKAY WITH THE BOARD AND BATTEN, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF BEEN TYPICAL.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT, IF YOU CAN EXPRESS THAT BOARD AND BATTEN, BUT THEN MAKE THE WINDOWS MORE APPROPRIATE TO THAT.
AND I THINK IF THAT'S DEFINED BY HAVING A SEAL AND LEDGE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I THINK KIND OF WHERE WE'RE GOING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU, YOU HAVE THE BOARD AND BATTEN AIR.
SO I THINK IT'S, WHAT'S THAT WINDOW LOOK LIKE IN THAT SCOPE? I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE CHALLENGED, AND I THINK THAT'LL TAKE THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW VERSUS TWEAKING IT MORE TOWARD A, AN HISTORIC PROPORTION.
SO A WIDER, YEAH, A LITTLE WIDER TRIM MAYBE.
YOU SAY ANY, DOES THAT HELP
I'M NOT GONNA GO AGAINST EVERYBODY ELSE'S OPINION.
THAT JUST MAKES IT CONFUSING FOR HIM, SO THAT'S FINE.
NO, I, I, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE LEAVING A BIT TO YOU.
IF YOU, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO GO FULLY MODERN OR FULLY BACK TO WHERE WE WERE IN, UH, A LONG TIME AGO.
YEAH, WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO GET YOU TO INTEGRATE IT SOMEHOW.
AND IT COULD BE WHEN THE MINOR PROJECT REALLY, I THINK FROM WINDOWS, IF YOU REALLY CAN GIVE US A LITTLE HIGHLIGHT OF HOW THAT REALLY WOULD LOOK, I THINK THAT WILL HELP US VISUALIZE WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE THERE, YEAH.
I, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE, THE LACK, COLORING AND, AND DISTINCTION IN THE PICTURES WHERE IT'S HARD FOR US TO PICTURE, BUT ALSO LOOK TO THE CODE, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
THE QUESTION IS PHRASED, DO, DOES THE BOARD SUPPORT A WAIVER FOR LACK OF SILLS, LENTILS, AND TRIM? SO WHAT DOES THE CODE REQUIRE? IS MAYBE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, RATHER THAN US GRANTING YOU A WAIVER.
SO WE MOVE INTO THE DECKS AND RAILINGS.
SO, UM, DEFINITELY HATE WHAT'S THERE.
I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT.
WHAT I MEAN, WHAT, OH, I, NO, I HATE WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.
I ACTUALLY, UM, YOU, SO YOU THINK WHAT HE'S PROPOSING IS BUSY? IT'S, TO ME IT'S AGAIN, TOO MODERN.
I, I WOULD SOME WANT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS TO THE OLDER, BUT I'M JUST BEING CONSISTENT WITH MYSELF.
THAT'S ALL I, I THINK I'M OKAY WITH WHAT'S THERE GOES AWAY.
IT'S JUST WHAT'S THE NEXT PIECE GONNA LOOK LIKE? AND NOT AS MUCH AS I LOOK VERY INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL OR WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO CALL THE WAY IT WAS ON THE RENDITION THERE.
SO, BUT I LIKE ELIMINATING ALL THAT STUFF THAT'S THERE NOW, SO.
COULD, COULD YOU PULL UP SIMPLIFYING, PULL THAT'S THERE IS GREAT.
SARAH, COULD YOU PULL UP THAT, UM, DRAWING PLEASE? DRAWING OR THE ELEVATION.
SO WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE IS YEAH, YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I WANTED TO SEE THE, IF WE COULD A PICTURE OF WHAT EXISTS, MARTY, OH, COULD WE SEE THE PICTURE AS IT EXISTS OF THE, UH, EAST ELEVATION? YEAH, YEAH.
NO, I'M, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH TAKING ALL THE THAT OFF
AND I KNOW WHEN YOU LEAVE A DECK, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RAILING, BUT JUST NOT THAT RAILING THAT YOU'VE PICTURED.
SO THE, UH, TYPICAL RAILS AROUND THE DISTRICT, MATERIAL STEEL MM-HMM
I THINK THAT THERE ARE OTHER REAL OPTIONS, BUT LEAN TOWARD, UH MM-HMM
WAY MAKING RAIL NOW WIRE MESH BECAUSE THEY'RE THE MOST SURE SIMPLE STEEL RAILINGS ARE PRETTY LOOKING AT, UH, STEEL RAILING, LIKE
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH THE DISTRICT.
AND I THINK IF YOU CAN FIND A RAILING IN THERE THAT, I MEAN, THEN IT HELPS YOU ADD CHARACTER TO THE, I MEAN, RIGHT HERE, IT, IT'S MORE THE, THE WIRE LOOK, IT, IT, I WOULD SAY IT LOOKS VERY, UH, PLAIN AGAINST THE BOARD AND BAT.
IT LOOKS KIND OF, UH, PLANE'S PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT KIND OF GENERIC BESIDE EACH OTHER.
SO I THINK THE RAILING CAN HELP.
THEN AS YOU LOOK AT WINDOW RELIEFS AND THINGS, IT STARTS TO GIVE THE, THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, FACADE A LITTLE SOMETHING WHERE IT'S, UH, IT'S COMING KIND OF LESS MODERN, BUT STILL SOMETHING THAT TIES INTO THE OTHER PARTS
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OF THE 'CAUSE.IT'S A NEWER BUILDING IN, INTO THE KIND OF THE COHO AREA.
AND ALSO AS WE MOVE BACK DOWN TOWARD, UH, THE NEWER PLACES, GIVING YOU A LITTLE CHALLENGE ON THIS ONE,
BUT IT HAS A LITTLE MORE INTEREST, IF YOU WILL, THAN JUST THE COURTING AND POST.
IT WAS THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BY THE BOARD.
WE LOVE THE QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS?
THAT'S THE ONLY CONSIDERATION I HAVE.
THIS BUILDING NEEDS THESE THREE BUILDINGS, NEED SOME WORK.
SO FOR ME, THE ONLY COLOR CONSIDERATION, CERTAINLY, UM, THERE'S, I MEAN, YOU HAVE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A TRASH AREA AT THE BACK, NO NORTH, I GUESS NORTHEAST CORNER.
SO WHEN YOU COME BACK, MAKE SURE JUST FROM A SCREENING STAND OR IF YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE IT THERE, KIND OF THE SCREENING.
UH, AND I KNOW THERE'S A VARI I MEAN THE PARKING LOT NEXT TIME WHEN YOU COME, MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.
I MEAN, FROM THE VARIANCE STANDPOINT IT'S COMPLIANT, BUT YEAH, I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING WITH THE CITY A BIT ON HOW THE, HOW THAT CAN LOOK ABOUT THE PARKING LOT, HOW SOME OF THE SCREENING PLANTINGS AND, AND SOME OF, UH, THOSE OTHER THINGS.
SO FOR ME, THOSE ARE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING NOW MORE CONCEPTUALLY, BUT CERTAINLY THOSE WILL BE, WE, WE WILL BE INTERESTED IN WHAT THOSE FEATURES CAN LOOK LIKE AS THE, FROM THE PARKING LOT.
'CAUSE CERTAINLY, I THINK, I THINK ALL OF US KNOW THAT THAT PARKING LOT COULD ALSO USE SOME, UH, LOVE A BIT OF A, A REHAB IN, IN SOME SENSE, WHETHER IT'S, UH, PLANTINGS OR JUST HOW, HOW IT COULD LOOK AND THEN HOW THE SCREENINGS ARE GONNA LOOK ON THAT, UH, UH, ON THE, ON THE, UH, ON THE TRASH BINS.
SO A BIG CONSIDERATION IS AS WAS AS STAFF POINTED OUT IN THE REPORT, HOW IT LOOKS FROM THE BRIDGE THAT'S NOW BECOME SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT.
SO THAT'S, BUT JUST THAT PARKING LOT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE BRIDGE
YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE BRIDGE.
AND NOW FROM ALL THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THAT'S THE SAME THING TOO, AS THE RENDERINGS COME ON, YOU KNOW, AS YOU LOOK, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT CERTAINLY, I THINK FROM A, THE BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE, KIND OF THE TWO VIEWS YOU'RE GONNA SEE 20 FROM THE BRIDGE AND FROM LOOKING UP FROM, UH, FROM THE NEW ATCH.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE FRONT KIND OF HOW IT'S GONNA LOOK AS YOU WALK FROM THE, FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH AS YOU TRANSITION, AND THEN HOW YOU SEE THE OTHER SIDE COMING FROM NORTH HIGH BREWING AND YOU KIND OF WALK PAST THE RED BUILDING AND THEN THE NEW BUILDING, THE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE NEW BUILDING IS GOING TO BE KIND OF SITTING THERE.
SO, AND FOR ME, AND I THINK IT JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT NOT BE THAT STARK TRANSITION KIND OF OLD, YOU'VE GOT THE OLD BUILDING AND THEN YOU MOVE INTO ANOTHER BUILDING, YOU'RE LIKE, OOH, THAT, THAT REALLY, AND THEN YOU LITERALLY TAKE 30 MORE STEPS, YOU'RE KIND OF INTO A NEWER AREA.
SO AS WE, AS YOU TRY TO THINK THROUGH HOW THAT, HOW THAT COULD LOOK.
SO THAT'S MY OTHER, JUST OTHER THOUGHT.
AS YOU THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA TRANSITION FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY DOWN THE STREET OR UP THE STREET OR ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND HOW THAT KIND OF FLOW LOOKS.
AND IF YOU CAN, WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING BIG, BUT JUST SOMETHING HOW YOU SEE THAT RENDERING WHEN THE NEXT TIME WE HAD THE MAYOR PROJECT GROUP, THAT'LL HELP US TRY TO VISUALIZE WHAT IT CAN LOOK LIKE.
AND JUST AS A FOLLOW UP ON THAT, YOU ALSO HAVE TO FACTOR IN THE ACCESS TO THE TRASH ENCLOSURE OR HOWEVER YOU'RE GOING TO HANDLE IT SO THAT THE, UH, TRUCKS ARE ABLE TO ACCESS IT EASILY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT DISRUPTION.
SARAH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE THE, UM, A COUPLE CONCERNS REALLY.
WE, WE HAVE A EP AND WE HAVE THE CITY WITH A NEW APPROACH TO THE PARK AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT ANY OF IT.
WE KNOW THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOME EFFORT TO, TO SORT THROUGH.
SO WE WE'RE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME SYNERGY THERE.
UH, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S, THAT, THAT THAT WILL BE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE.
SORRY, I'M JUST LOOKING THROUGH A, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND AS, UH, SARAH SAID THE SOME MINOR CHANGES THAT MAY BE IN REFLECTION OF WHATEVER A EP AND, AND THE CITY'S GONNA DO, STAFF CAN TAKE CARE OF WITHOUT COMING BEFORE IF IT'S MINOR.
WE CAN DO THAT SORT OF THING ADMINISTRATIVELY AS WELL, RIGHT? EXACTLY.
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THAT SORT OF ADJUSTMENT NEEDS TO BE HAPPENED AFTER WE APPROVE A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.SO, MR, JUST FOR ME, ARE YOU CLEAR ENOUGH ON ONE? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE ANY QUE I MEAN, I THINK WE, WE GOT NUMBER ONE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LOT.
I THINK WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT STREET SCAPE.
I THINK WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD PLAN FOR THAT.
WHAT, WHATEVER THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I THINK YOU'RE, WE GAVE YOU SOME INSIGHT ON THAT.
ANOTHER CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT HOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW IT CONNECTS WITH THE OTHER PLACES.
WELL IT CONNECTS WITH HIGH STREET.
ANYTHING ELSE? JUST, UH, GIVE YOU ENOUGH TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ELI? ANYTHING? GOOD.
LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE FINAL, FINAL, UH, RENDERINGS.
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COMMUNICATE, UH, COMMUNICATION.SHE GOES PRESENTER TO DISCUSS HER.
WHEN SARAH GOES FROM BEING A PRESENTER TO THE COMMUNICATIONS PART, SHE HAS TO CHANGE HER SEAT.
I KNOW IT ALWAYS TAKES A MOMENT.
'CAUSE I HAVE EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING SET OUT JUST RIGHT.
SO UNDER DISCUSSION ITEMS, LAST TIME WE GOT TOGETHER, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT CHANGING OUR OCTOBER MEETING TO THE 22ND INSTEAD OF THE 29TH.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE, WE WOULD JUST NEED A MOTION AND A VOTE ON IT.
I SECOND JUST, WHAT'S THE WAIT, SLOW DOWN.
JUST GIVE ME A MINUTE TO CHECK MY CALENDAR, PLEASE.
YEAH, WE'RE GOING FROM, SO BEFORE TO EXPLAIN, UH, WHEN WE BROUGHT UP THE PROPOSED, WE, OUR NORMAL IS THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY.
WHEN THEY BROUGHT UP THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE, THEY BROUGHT IT UP WITH THE FIFTH WEDNESDAY, WHICH IS THE 29TH.
AND I POINTED OUT THAT IT MADE THE TIME BETWEEN THE, WELL FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE HALLOWEEN, AND IT WON'T BE ON TRICK OR TREAT.
IT'LL BE ON THURSDAY, I GUESS WAS THE CONSENSUS.
BUT ON TOP OF THAT, IT MADE THE TIME BETWEEN THE OCTOBER MEETING AND THE NOVEMBER MEETING VERY SHORT BECAUSE WE MOVE UP THE NOVEMBER MEETING BECAUSE OF THANKSGIVING.
SO SHE, WE APPROVED IT AS IT WAS AS THE 29TH, BUT SHE WAS GOING TO LOOK IN TO SEE IF IT WAS EVEN A, A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD, WHEN I SAY SHE, SARAH, OUR BELOVED LEADER,
AND I'M DELIGHTED TO READ AND HER NOTES THAT WE CAN CHANGE IT TO THE 22ND.
I THINK THAT MAKES IT BETTER FOR THE STAFF AND FOR THE PUBLIC AS FAR AS THE TIMING BETWEEN THE HEARINGS MONTHS OR MONTHLY MEETINGS.
AND WE ALREADY HAVE A MO A MOTION IN A SECOND.
SO IS EVERYBODY ELSE'S FROM A DISCUSSION? YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH IT.
AND THEN I HAVE, UM, QUITE A NUMBER OF COMMUNICATIONS.
SO THE FIRST IS TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR DEDICATED SERVICE.
WE APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH AND WE HAVE A LITTLE THANK YOU GIFT FOR YOU AND WE HOPE YOU ENJOY IT.
IT IS FROM HISTORIC DUBLIN, SO I HOPE IT'S YUMMY.
UM, OUR SECOND THANK YOU IS TO JUDY FOR BEING SUCH A WONDERFUL SUPPORT FOR US.
THERE'LL BE SOME CHANGES COMING UP WHERE JAMIE MAXWELL WILL BE TAKING OVER JUDY'S SPOT.
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO LEAVE YOU GUYS.
UH, JUST YOUR SMILE WHEN WE WALK IN AND EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS WHEN WE'RE HERE AND WE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY APPRECIATIVE.
YOU'RE NOT LEAVING THE CITY, ARE YOU? NO.
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JUST NOT SUPPORTING THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.THE NEW POSITION THAT YOU'RE TAKING ON
UM, AND JUST TO WI TO THANK YOU AS WELL, YOU'VE DONE A, AN INCREDIBLE JOB AT KEEPING US STRAIGHT,
SO
SO IT'S, AND SHE CHECKED INTO THE AVAILABILITY FOR YOU BEFORE I EVEN HAD TO ASK.
UM, SHE, SHE HAD THAT ALL CHECKED FOR, UH, OCTOBER 22ND DATE, SO THANK YOU.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT THE BLURBS AND THE BIOS FOR THE ANNUAL REPORT.
UM, THAT WILL BE PRINTED FOR OUR JANUARY MEETING.
SO ANYTIME THAT YOU CAN GET THAT TO, WHEN DO YOU WANT, I MEAN, JUST IF YOU GIVE US A GOOD DEADLINE, PROBABLY MID-JANUARY, YOU KNOW, NO LATER THAN LIKE THE 15TH OR SO.
SO LET'S, SO LET'S, UH, TRY TO GET, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S TRY TO PICK THE 10, SEND SOMETHING TO YOU.
IF WE CAN GET THAT ON YOUR EVERYBODY'S CALENDAR, TRY TO GIVE IT TO YOU BY THE 10TH THEN IF THERE'S A YEAH.
AND IF WE'RE NOT HICCUP, IF WE'RE NOT MAKING CHANGES, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT, JUST LEAVE.
IF YOU'RE NOT MAKING CHANGES, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.
LISA, I THINK WE NEED SOMETHING FROM YOU, SEAN.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE YEAH, YEAH.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A UPDATES THAT YOU WANNA INCLUDE THAT IS PLEASE SEND THEM ALONG.
I'LL WRITE SOME THINGS HERE AND THEN WE'LL PUT IN THE FIG FILL IN THE, THE STATISTIC PART OF IT.
AND WE WILL HAVE ALL THOSE STATS FOR YOU.
CODE IN THE GUIDELINES, AS YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
THE GUIDELINES ARE UP ON THE WEBPAGE, THE CODE, WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE FORMATTING AND IT'S JUST PROVING TO BE MORE TIME CONSUMING THAN WE HAD HOPED.
UM, WE WILL HAVE HARD COPIES FOR YOU NEXT MONTH AND THEY WILL BE UP ON THE WEBPAGE AS SOON AS WE CAN GET IT DONE.
UM, BUT UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER TONIGHT, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT AS OF TODAY, THE CODES ARE NOW ENACTED.
THERE IS ANOTHER CODE AMENDMENT AFOOT CITYWIDE FOR ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND THIS WAS BASED ON, UM, I THINK JENNY ROUSH HAD MENTIONED THIS A COUPLE TIMES A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT WAYS TO STREAMLINE AND SIMPLIFY OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESSES ACROSS THE BOARD FOR, FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE TOUCH.
AND ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT CAME TO US WAS THAT CONCEPT PLANS BECOME CONSISTENT FROM BOARD TO BOARD TO BOARD AND FROM LOCATION TO LOCATION INDEPENDENT OF WHAT CODE YOU'RE IN.
UM, SOME OF THEM I THINK IT'S, UM, YEAH, FOR BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, THEY LOOK LIKE AN INFORMAL, WHERE IT'S JUST ASKING QUESTIONS, BUT OTHER THINGS KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A REAL THING THAT A BOARD OR A COMMISSION MIGHT VOTE ON.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS HAVE ALL CONCEPT PLANS ACT LIKE INFORMALS, WHERE A BOARD OR A COMMISSION WOULD PROVIDE FEEDBACK JUST LIKE WE DID TONIGHT.
IT WOULD, NOW THOSE WOULD BE FOR LARGE PROJECTS WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE CONCEPT, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR MINOR PROJECTS WHERE THIS BOARD WOULD STILL WANT AN INFORMAL, THAT WOULD STILL BE AN OPTION, BUT IT, IT JUST STREAMLINES THINGS AND SIMPLIFIES THINGS TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO YOU WILL, UH, SEE THAT, UM, FOR, LET'S SEE, YOU'LL SEE THAT COMING BEFORE YOU FAIRLY SOON FOR A RECOMMENDATION.
AND THAT WOULD AFFECT AGAIN, WHAT WE DO HERE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? MAKES SENSE.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE DOING SORT OF MID-JANUARY IS WE'RE GETTING AWAY FROM ONEDRIVE AND WE'RE GOING TO ONBOARD FOR PACKETS.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY, FROM WHAT I
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UNDERSTAND, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE DEMO YET, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY NEAT IN THAT, UM, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE CASES ALL THE WAY BACK.IT WON'T TIME OUT LIKE ONEDRIVE DOES.
AND IT'LL BE SIMPLER TO MOVE AROUND IN, I THINK.
UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD CHANGE.
SO FOR PROBABLY THE FIRST PACKET FOR YOU ALL IN JANUARY, WE WILL DO BOTH ONEDRIVE AND ONBOARD SO THAT IN CASE THERE'S SOMETHING FUNNY, YOU STILL HAVE A OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO IT, THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME TRAININGS COMING YOUR WAY.
SO BE SURE TO SIGN UP FOR ONE OF THOSE.
IS ONBOARD A WEB-BASED OR IS THERE AN APP? ONEDRIVE USES A AN APP ON OUR TABLETS.
I, JUDY, DO YOU KNOW, IS IT MORE OF LIKE A SOFTWARE OR, YEAH.
SO SO THERE'LL BE AN APP WE HAVE TO DOWNLOAD.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MM-HMM
WE'RE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
WE GOT OUR INVITE SENT OUT TODAY FOR THE PERFECT.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S THE SAME SOFTWARE THAT THE STATE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS USE, UM, BECAUSE I THINK I'VE USED IT BEFORE.
IT'S, I HOPE THEY'VE IMPROVED IT.
BUT IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS SINCE I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH IT.
SO HOPEFULLY THEY'VE IMPROVED IT.
SO THE INVITE FOR TRAINING, THERE WERE TWO EMAILS, ONE FOR THE THURSDAY NIGHT AND ONE FOR THE FRIDAY NOON, BUT THERE'S NO, I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO RESPOND TO SAY WHICH ONE YOU WANTED.
IT JUST I SAID YES ON ONE AND NO, I DIDN'T EVEN SEE THIS HARD.
WHEN DID THIS COME THROUGH? YOU JUST ACCEPT ONE OF THE DATES, WHICHEVER WORKS FOR YOU.
ACCEPT AND, AND DECLINE THE OTHER.
I'M GLAD YOU THINK IT'S AS SIMPLE.
WELL, WE CAN MAYBE WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AFTER, AFTER THE MEETING, BUT THAT IS ALL I HAVE.
THERE WAS ONE IN HERE, THERE WAS A LINK TO, UH, WHAT WAS IT? NEW CONSTRUCTION IN HISTORIC, THE LINK YOU HAD IN THERE, LIKE IN THE NEW SOFTWARE, WILL WE BE ABLE TO, SOME OF THE BACKGROUND MATERIAL THAT'S THERE, BE IT IN A ONE FILE WHERE YOU CAN GO BACK AND REFER AND SAY, AH, THERE WAS A, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
WE CAN ALMOST MAKE A LIBRARY FOR YOU.
IT'S HARD TO GO BACK AND FIND THIS STUFF WHEN YOU'RE LIKE EXACTLY.
OH, I KNOW THAT'S THERE AND YOU CAN'T FIND IT.
THAT'D, SO I AM HOPING AND ALL OF THOSE, UM, THOSE PRESERVATION BRIEFS AND SOME OF THE OTHER GOODIES THAT WE USE AS REFERENCES, WE CAN START TO BUILD AN ONLINE LIBRARY FOR YOU.
NOTHING ELSE? WELL, FROM ME AND JUST EVERYBODY, UM, HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY NEW YEAR, GOOD TIME WITH THE, THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND, AND ALL THAT.
AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR THE, UH, THE YEARS OVER AGAIN.
RIGHT? SO NOT OUR FIFTH, NOT OUR, UH, BOARD YEAR, BUT THE CALENDAR YEAR IS OVER.
SO EVERYBODY HAVE A, HAVE A GREAT CHRISTMAS.
AND THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.
IT'S BEEN AN AMAZINGLY REVISIT YEAR FOR THIS BOARD.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE TOUR THAT I PUT INTO MY CALENDAR FROM THE LIST OF DATES.