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WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES AT THIS TIME.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.
WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OUR ROLE? OKAY.
THANK YOU MS. BE AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM TWO PREVIOUS MEETINGS, TAKING PLA HAVING TAKEN PLACE NOVEMBER THE SEVENTH, 2024 AND NOVEMBER THE 14TH, 2024.DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
IS THAT MR. DESLER? IS YOU MR. ALEXANDER SANDER? YES.
MR. WE APPROVE MR. GARVIN? YES.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD.
THE CITY COUNCIL, WHEN REZONING AND PLANNING OF PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION, IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED.
AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS FOR THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL FIRST COME UP TO THE PODIUM, WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FOLLOWING, WHICH WE WILL HEAR FROM STAFF THEIR PRESENTATION AND ANALYSIS ALONG WITH A RECOMMENDATION SHOULD IT BE WARRANTED.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN BE FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, AFTER WHICH WE WILL HEAR FROM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC, EITHER VIRTUALLY OR HERE IN PERSON.
WE DO REQUEST THAT YOU COME UP.
IN TURN, YOU WILL BE CALLED UNDER EACH APPLICATION.
UH, WE ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR MEETING TO YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON, ON THE MICROPHONE AS YOU SEE ON MINE.
ANYONE, UH, WHO WISHES TO BE SWO? EXCUSE ME.
ANYONE WHO WISHES TO MAKE COMMENTS ON CASES TONIGHT MUST BE SWORN IN.
UH, PLEASE, IF YOU INTEND TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU.
[Consent Agenda]
CASES THIS EVENING, ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.THOSE ARE CASE 24 CASES, 24 DASH 1 38, CU CENTRAL IRRIGATION SUPPLY, CONDITIONAL USE, AND CASE 24 DASH 1 46 A FTP FOR MOUNT CARMEL, UH, AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
DOES ANYONE FROM THE COMMISSION WISH TO PULL THESE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? HAS THERE BEEN ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THESE ITEMS? WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS NOTED ON THE RECORD.
UH, FOR THOSE TWO CON UH, CONSENT CASES THIS EVENING, IF YOU ARE HERE AND HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO DIRECT THOSE TO STAFF.
OTHERWISE, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WE WILL BE MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT CASE ON THE AGENDA, WHICH, UM, WE ARE GOING TO REORDER THE AGENDA LIGHTLY.
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE MAG VOLVO CASE, WHICH IS CASE 24 DASH 1 36 INF, INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK ON PROPOSED BUILDING MODIFICATIONS AND NEW SIGNS.
THE APPROXIMATELY 15 AND A HALF ACRE SITE IS ZONED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, PUD MIDWESTERN AUTO GROUP, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTIONS OF PERIMETER DRIVE AND PERIMETER LOOP ROAD.
AT THIS TIME, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT FORWARD TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.
DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? I DON'T SEE THEM AT THIS MOMENT.
LET'S, WELL,
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GET LUCKY THIS EVENING.WE WILL, UH, WE WILL HOLD THE CASE.
SHOULD THE APPLICANT COME, WE WILL CALL THIS ONE AGAIN.
[Case #24-141CP]
IN THAT CASE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO CASE 24 DASH 1 41 CP.THIS IS BRIDGE PARK BLOCK J REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF A CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN OFFICE BUILDING, CONDOMINIUMS AND PARKING GARAGE.
THE APPROXIMATELY FIVE AND A THIRD ACRE SITE IS ZONED BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SRN, SCIOTO RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF DALE DRIVE AND BRIDGE PARK AVENUE.
WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THE TIME OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UH, RUSSELL HUNTER, 66 40 RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
UM, SO VERY EXCITED TO BE BRINGING TO YOU, UH, THIS EVENING CONCEPT PLAN FOR OUR LATEST, UH, EXPANSION OF BRIDGE PARK, UM, E EVER SO SLOWLY TOWARDS SAWMILL ROAD.
UM, SO I'VE GOT THE WHOLE DESIGN TEAM, UH, BEHIND ME, AND I REALLY WANNA LET THEM BRING TO YOU SORT OF BIG PICTURE IDEAS FOR ALL OF THEIR DISCIPLINES.
BUT THERE'S A HANDFUL OF THINGS THAT I WANTED TO, TO GET OUT IN FRONT ON.
UM, SO IT, IT'S, IT'S IN THE NEWS THAT CENOVUS IS OUR LEAD TENANT.
UM, SO THEY'RE TAKING ABOUT HALF OF THE OFFICE SPACE IN THIS OFFICE BUILDING AND IT, WHICH IS PRETTY INCREDIBLE CONSIDERING, UM, DOWNTOWN COLUMBUS'S OFFICE MARKET ISN'T GREAT.
AND YET SOMEHOW WE CONTINUE TO BE RESILIENT HERE IN, UH, IN DUBLIN.
UM, I THINK IT'S A TESTAMENT TO THE WORK WE'RE DONE, THE, THE WORK THAT, THAT THE CITY AND THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS DONE AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONTINUE TO CREATE SPACES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE IN.
UM, WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD, UH, TWO CONDO BUILDINGS.
UM, SO ONE, WHAT WOULD BE PHASE ONE? UH, SECOND ONE, PHASE TWO.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND THE SITE, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S THE CODE A LOT.
UM, BUT THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE, UM, NOT, I WOULD SAY LIKE YOU THINK ABOUT THE THEODORE, THE, THE, THE CONDOS THAT WE BUILT, UM, AS A PART OF G BLOCK.
UM, PHASE TWO WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO THOSE.
PHASE ONE WILL BE JUST A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, BUT THESE ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE, UM, GIANT CONDOS THAT BLOW EVERYONE'S BUDGET.
SO WE WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO, TO SERVE A CERTAIN MARKET HERE.
UM, THAT IS ON PAR, I WOULD SAY WITH, UM, WITH OUR RENTALS GENERALLY SPEAKING.
SO, UH, WE'RE SHOWING THAT AS FUTURE BECAUSE WE'RE STILL, UM, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.
AND THAT'S A PART OF THE REASON WHY YOU'VE GOT THAT GENTLE CURVE IN THAT ROAD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE, UH, PARCEL.
HAVING SAID THAT, WE'RE TALKING TO THEM, UM, DAILY.
IN FACT, I THOUGHT KIM WAS GONNA BE HERE, BUT I DON'T SEE HER.
UM, KIM SHARP, SHE'S WITH CODA, BUT AT ANY RATE, UM, WE ARE TALKING TO THEM NOT JUST ABOUT THE PERMANENT SOLUTION, WHICH IS WHERE DOES THAT PARK AND RIDE GO AND ALL OF THOSE SPACES GO, BUT ALSO THE TEMPORARY SOLUTION.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, UM, TO THE SPACES THERE WHILE WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, THE BUS STOP THAT HAPPENS WHILE WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION? AND THEN THE LAST THING, AND THIS ONE I'M PARTICULARLY EXCITED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE, COMING HERE AND OUR OPEN SPACES ALL HAVE, UM, TENDED TO BE SIMILAR.
THEY'RE VERY URBAN, THEY'RE VERY DENSE.
WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE AGAIN BEEN OUT TO THE SITE, YOU'VE SEEN THAT THERE'S THAT EXISTING SORT OF TREE GROVE.
I GOT REALLY EXCITED FOR A MOMENT BECAUSE I THOUGHT, OH GOODNESS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL OF THESE WONDERFUL TREES THAT WE CAN SAVE.
WELL, AS IT TURNS OUT, WE WENT OUT WITH OUR ARBORIST AND THE CITIES AND DETERMINED THAT VIRTUALLY NONE OF THEM ARE ONES WE WOULD WANT TO SAVE.
HOWEVER, IF WE WERE ABLE TO BRING CODAS LOT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE SOME WONDERFUL SPECIMENS, WHICH WOULD BE RELATIVELY EASY TO SIMPLY SPADE PICK UP AND MOVE.
UM, AND SO WE'RE INTERESTED TO SEE IF THAT WOULD WORK.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE BECAUSE I WANT, WE WANT THIS ONE TO FEEL DIFFERENT.
UM, WE'VE GOT THE REAL ESTATE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT, AND SO TO CREATE THIS SORT OF, UM, URBAN ARBORETUM, IF YOU WILL, A LITTLE BIT, UM, TO TRY TO GET SOME LARGER SPECIMENS IN THERE TO TRY TO GET THIS TO FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE NATURAL THAN ALL OF THE OTHER SPACES IN BRIDGE PARK, WE JUST THINK IS GONNA ADD SOMETHING NEW AND CONTINUE TO, TO, TO CREATE THAT DIVERSITY.
SO WITH THAT, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT TRANSITION.
SO JEFF PEZ IS HERE WITH MKSK.
THEY ARE OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND PLANNER.
UM, AND TO WALK YOU THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT.
UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
JEFFREY PEZ, MKSK, UH, 4 6 2 SOUTH LUDLOW STREET.
UM, SO I THINK WE HAVE FOUR SLIDES HERE THAT ARE KIND OF SITE, SORRY.
UM, JUST A HANDFUL OF SLIDES HERE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF FRAMEWORK FOR WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.
AND I'LL SORT OF DIVE RIGHT IN.
UM, WHERE RUSS LEFT OFF, WE ARE BLESSED WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE SITE AREA, UM, THAN MAYBE THE
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FIRST, UM, FEW BLOCKS IN BRIDGE PARK.AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO LEVERAGE THAT AND CREATE KIND OF A LANDSCAPE FORWARD SPACE.
SO THE FRAMEWORK OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY WRAPPED AROUND, UM, UH, AN OPEN SPACE THAT YOU SEE RUNNING EAST WEST.
AND THE IDEA, UM, RATHER THAN BEING MORE URBAN IN NATURE, MORE HARDSCAPE, MORE PAVING, SO ON AND SO FORTH, IS JUST TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ORGANIC OR NATURAL, UM, IN ITS CHARACTER AND FEEL.
SO THAT SERIES OF BUILDINGS THAT IS WRAPPED AROUND THE GREEN SPACE WILL, UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY HERE IN BRIDGE PARK, UH, PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO ACCESS PUBLIC OPEN SPACE AND PEDESTRIAN FEATURES, UM, BENCHES, AMENITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT WE'LL FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE ORGANIC, A LITTLE BIT MORE NATURAL.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE, UM, WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF LEVERAGING HERE, UM, MOVING FROM EAST TO WEST IS SOME TO TOPOGRAPHY.
SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS STEP THE LANDSCAPE DOWN, TERRACE IT EITHER IN A SERIES OF BIGGER TERRACES OR A SERIES OF SMALLER TERRACES.
AND SO, UM, WITH THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE, UM, A, A FEW FEATURES INSIDE THIS.
RUSS USED THE PHRASE URBAN ARTERY ARBORETUM, WHICH MIGHT BE THE CASE HERE.
WE MAY HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOME BIGGER TREES HERE IN A MORE NATURAL SETTING, AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH SOME, UM, ALSO SOME NATURAL MATERIALS LIKE LARGER BOULDERS THAT ARE OF THE AREA.
UM, UH, MAYBE EVEN A BRIDGE THAT CROSSES OVER.
UM, YOU KNOW, AN AREA WHERE WE KIND OF CELEBRATE THE TOPOGRAPHY.
YOU'LL SEE WE'VE GOT SORT OF THE HINT OF A STREAM OR A WATERWAY RUNNING THROUGH THERE THAT'S REALLY MORE OF AN INDICATION OF OURSELVES, UM, OR INDICATION TO OURSELVES TO, UM, MOVE STORM WATER THROUGH THIS SITE WITH SOME INTENTION.
SO WE MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE A BIOSWALE OR A FEATURE LIKE THAT THAT IS INTEGRATED DIRECTLY INTO THE LANDSCAPE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE EDGES OF THE PROJECT, STREET B BANKER BRIDGE PARKDALE, THEY'LL FEEL URBAN IN NATURE AND FOLLOW THOSE SAME STREET SCAPE, UM, TYPOLOGIES MATERIALS, ET CETERA, UM, THAT YOU HAVE, UH, INSIDE BRIDGE PARK.
BUT INSIDE THAT COURTYARD, IT'LL FEEL A BIT, A LITTLE BIT LOOSER, A LITTLE BIT MORE NATURAL.
UM, AND SAME THING FOR THE PLANT MATERIAL.
THE EDGES ARE GONNA FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE RIGID, A LITTLE BIT MORE STREET SCAPE.
LIKE THEN WHEN WE GET INSIDE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SAVE SOME OF THOSE EXISTING TREES THAT WE HAVE, REPLANT THEM ON SITE, UH, SUPPLEMENT THEM WITH SOME OTHER MATERIALS, BUT JUST GENERALLY FEEL A LITTLE BIT LOOSER IN NATURE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE OPEN SPACE, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE COURTYARDS SORT OF OPEN OUT, UM, TO CELEBRATE THAT OPEN SPACE.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STREETS SCAPE NATURE HERE.
UM, AND I'LL JUST SORT OF FOCUS ON THE INTERIOR ALLEY FOR A SECOND.
UM, IN YELLOW, YOU SEE THAT, UM, UM, SORT OF SERVICE DRIVE OR ALLEY OR UM, LESS TRAFFICKED WAY THAT'LL PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY TO ACCESS THE GARAGE, PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY FOR RIDE SHARE, AND JUST PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR CIRCULATION AROUND THE BLOCK.
WE'LL ALSO TRY TO MONETIZE THAT AT THE CENTER OF THE BLOCK, UM, WITH ADDITIONAL PEDESTRIAN, UM, MATERIALITY, UM, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL MAYBE, UM, HOLD MY COMMENTS, OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OR PASS IT OFF TO THE REST OF THE TEAM.
WE'LL DO QUESTIONS ALL AT THE END.
HI, THE DMPS WITH MA DESIGN 2251 STARLEAF LANE.
SO I'M JUST GONNA TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE AND AS JEFF AND RUSS SAID THEY WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE DISTINCTIVE FOR THIS BLOCK AND WE'VE KIND OF CONTINUED THAT IDEA INTO THE VERNACULAR FOR THE BUILDINGS.
BUT QUICKLY ON THE SCREEN NOW, WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH A COUPLE INSPIRATION IDEAS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR A DISTINCTIVE KIND OF SIMPLISTIC, UM, ARCHITECTURE THAT HAS A LOT OF RHYTHM, BUT IS RICH IN MATERIAL AND REALLY HAS NICE DETAILS.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IDEAS WITH COLOR AND LIGHTING.
SO MOST OF THE IMAGES ON THE SCREEN ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THE ONE I WILL, UM, POINT OUT IS THE ONE ON THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER.
AGAIN, WE WANT TO ENGAGE THE STREET AND WE DO HAVE PATIO SPACE THAT'S EARMARKED AND REALLY TAKE THOSE EXTERIOR SPACES AND INTEGRATE 'EM WITH THE BUILDING.
THE OTHER ONE I'LL POINT OUT IS WE'RE GONNA DO SOME SPECIAL KIND OF LIGHTING.
UM, SO THE IMAGE IN THE LOWER RIGHT NUMBER SEVEN, UM, YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE LIGHT FIXTURES SHOW UP IN SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS.
SO, I'M SORRY, I WENT TOO FAST AND I'M NOT GETTING IT TO GO BACK.
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SORRY.THE TOP ELEVATION IS, UM, THE ONE THAT FACES BRIDGE PARK AVENUE.
AND WE WANNA HAVE TWO DISTINCTIVE ELEVATIONS.
SO YOU CAN SEE BETWEEN THE NORTH ELEVATION AND THE SOUTH ELEVATION, UM, THEY'RE QUITE DIFFERENT.
THE ONE ON THE TOP, AGAIN, WE WANT A RHYTHM THAT'S SIMPLE, UM, AND PICKS UP A, A LINE AND REALLY POPS AN OBJECT OR AN ELEMENT AT THE CORNER.
AND SOME OF THAT VERNACULAR PICKS UP ON WHAT WE DID ON THE G ONE OFFICE BUILDING.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO INTEGRATE THESE, THIS BUILDING AS WELL AS MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND DISTINCTIVE.
SO THE COLORS AND MATERIALS, AGAIN, YOU CAN NOTICE A, A BLUE FANATIC PANEL THAT WE'RE TARGETING FOR, UM, THE POP OF COLOR.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A STATEMENT WITHOUT BEING OVERSTATED.
SO ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THIS ELEVATION REALLY ADDRESSES THE NATURAL PARK.
SO WE'VE CHOSEN, UH, MORE OF A EARTH TONE WOODGRAIN LOOK COLOR FOR, UM, THAT PANEL AND TO AGAIN, TIE IN WITH THE NATURAL ASPECTS OF, UH, THE PARK.
UH, AGAIN, WE HAVE A LOT OF GLASS, BUT PRIMARILY MATERIALS ON THE BUILDING ARE BRICK, THE GRAY AREAS ABOVE FROM FLOORS TWO TO FOUR.
AND ON THE FIRST FLOOR IS ALL, UH, A DARKER CHARCOAL BRICK.
AND THEN AGAIN, I'LL POINT OUT THE LIGHT FIXTURES ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION ON FLOORS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.
THE BLACK DOTS ARE GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BE, AGAIN, SOME A LITTLE MORE UNIQUE THAT WE CAN HIGHLIGHT, UM, AN AREA AT NIGHTTIME AND REALLY DRAW A VISITORS' EYE TO THE BUILDING.
SO THAT'S A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE OFFICE.
UM, THE INSPIRATION FOR THE GARAGE, UM, AGAIN, WE WANT TO DO SIMPLE THINGS, BUT HAVE A POP, UH, ELEMENT, COLOR, AND, UM, DETAIL.
SO, AND THE, UH, IMAGE NUMBER ONE, THE UPPER LEFT WE'RE D TARGETING, UM, DOING SOME SCREENING IN FRONT OF THE PARKING GARAGE, AS YOU'LL SEE IN A FEW BAYS ON, ON THAT FIRST FLOOR.
UM, A LARGER ELEMENT IN IMAGE TWO AND SEVEN IS, UH, A SCRIM, WHICH, UM, WE CAN DO, UM, ANY KIND OF UH, SILK SCREEN IMAGE ON THERE.
AND WE USE THIS ON THE G ONE OFFICE BUILDING.
THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE, THE POCKET PARK THERE.
WHERE THERE, WHERE WHERE WE HAVE THE TREES.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL LIGHT THAT AT NIGHTTIME TO, UH, MAKE THAT POP.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE ELEVATIONS.
AND THEN TWO OTHER THINGS I'LL POINT OUT QUICKLY IS, UM, THE STAIRCASE IN IMAGE FOUR, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT WHERE WE HAVE FROSTED GLASS AGAIN TO LET THE LIGHT IN THE STAIR, BUT YOU CAN GET A FEEL IN THE SENSE OF WHAT'S BEHIND IT AND SEE THE MOTION OF THE PEOPLE AS WE MOVE UP AND DOWN THE STAIR.
AND THEN IMAGE FIVE WE'RE, UH, AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT DOING A DETAIL SIMILAR TO THAT WHERE WE DO SOME ACCENT LIGHTING ON A COUPLE OF CORNERS OF THE GARAGE, UM, UH, AGAIN AT NIGHTTIME TO BRING THAT NEXT LEVEL OF, UM, DISTINCT, UH, DETAIL TO THE PROJECT.
SO HERE'S TWO ELEVATIONS OF THE GARAGE, AGAIN, THE SOUTH ELEVATION THAT FACES, UM, UH, 1 61 AND THE GRAY PANELS ARE THE SCRIM AND THERE'S NO IMAGE ON IT CURRENTLY.
WE STILL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT, UM, DARK BRICK TO FRAME THAT.
AND YOU COULD SEE AGAIN ON THE LOWER FIRST FLOOR, UM, JUST VEGETATION THAT, UM, YOU SAW ON THE INSPIRATION IMAGE.
THE CORNERS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING LIKE AN OPEN, JUST LEAVING THE FRAME OPEN.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD DO THE ACCENT COLOR.
IT WOULD BE A LIGHT THAT WOULD ILLUMINATE THE CEILINGS FOR THOSE, AGAIN, TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE UNIQUE.
AND THEN LASTLY, ON THE WEST ELEVATION, AGAIN ON THE LEFT SIDE, THAT WOULD BE THE STAIRCASE WHERE WE'RE SHOWING THE FROSTED GLASS AND CLEAR GLASS.
SO, UH, SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE UNIQUE BUT, UH, UH, VERY JUST STREAMLINED AND, UM, CONTEMPORARY.
SO THAT'S A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE, THE TWO BUILDINGS.
AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MATT WHO'S GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, THE CONDO BUILDING.
HELLO, MATT LIDLE, SULLIVAN BROOK ARCHITECTS EIGHT SOUTH GRANT AVENUE.
AS, UH, DAN MENTIONED, I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE CONDOMINIUM BUILDING, UH, PHASE ONE AND HOPEFULLY, ULTIMATELY PHASE TWO, UM, BEFORE YOU SEE SOME IMAGES THAT WE COMPILED THAT, UM, WE WILL EVOKE SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST PLAYFULNESS, BUT YET SOME SOPHISTICATION.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'VE STARTED.
AND UH, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING ANY, UH, ELEVATIONS HERE BEING THAT'S CONCEPTUAL THOUGHT.
MAYBE THIS WOULD BE A GOOD START FOR US TO
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TALK ABOUT THIS.ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION IS A NEW MATERIAL THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BE CONSIDERED AS A PRIMARY MATERIAL.
IT'S A THIN BRICK ALTERNATIVE, YET IT'S, UH, IS A LIGHTWEIGHT, INSULATED, UM, BRICK MADE BY DRIVE IT.
AND I HAVE SOME SAMPLES HERE AND I GAVE SOME, UH, MATERIALS, UH, TO ZACH TO UH, PRESENT TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO TALK THAT ABOUT THAT FURTHER, UH, LATER IN THE MEETING.
SO THE BUILDING'S GONNA HAVE, UH, 84 UNITS NOW.
WE HAVE SINCE REDUCED THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AS RUSS STATED, THESE ARE GONNA BE LARGER THAN THE THEODORE, BUT SMALLER THAN THE WARREN.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MEET A HAPPY MEDIUM POINT BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND THE QUALITY OF FINISHES ARE GETTING A FOLLOW THE SAME IDEOLOGY OF BEING BETWEEN THE WARREN AND THE THEODORE.
UM, ALL GROUND FLOOR UNITS ALONG BRIDGE PARK AVENUE AND THE STREET B TO THE EAST WILL HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK.
AND ALL THE CONDOMINIUM UNITS ON ALL FLOORS HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'LL HANDLE QUESTIONS ALL TOGETHER THOUGH, ZACH, IF YOU COULD GET THE MATERIALS AND SOCIALIZE THOSE.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE APPLICANT TEAM, MR. RUSSELL? OKAY.
MR. SEL, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.
AND I'LL BRING THOSE, UH, ADDITIONAL MATERIALS AFTER I FINISH UP SPEAKING HERE.
UH, SO THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
UM, THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN MANY OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE A DETERMINATION IS REQUIRED FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD TO A PRELIMINARY AND THEN FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.
UH, REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS MOSTLY BIG PICTURE ITEMS. SO, UH, LOOKING AT THE GENERAL LAYOUT OF THE SITE, LOOKING AT LOCATIONS OF BUILDINGS AND OPEN SPACES.
NOT REALLY FOCUSING TOO MUCH ON THE SPECIFIC DETAILS 'CAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THOSE QUITE YET.
UM, BUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING HOW DO WE CREATE THIS FRAMEWORK FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE PROVIDED TO YOU TONIGHT AND WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING AND DETERMINATION ON BEFORE YOU.
SO BECAUSE THERE IS A, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY THIS, A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TONIGHT.
SO PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT THE DETERMINING BODY, BUT WE'LL BE PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION OF EITHER APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOR THEM TO REVIEW NEXT MONTH.
SO THIS IS A SITE VERY BRIEFLY AS STATED ALREADY.
UH, IT'S 5.37 ACRES IN SIZE ZONE INSIDE A RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, PRIMARY FRONTAGES ARE ON BRIDGE PARK AVENUE AND DALE DRIVE, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY PUBLIC STREETS.
AND THEN THERE'S ACCESSORY, UH, FRONTAGE ON BANKER DRIVE AND THEN WHAT'S SHOWN AS DALE THOMAS BOULEVARD.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE PRIVATELY OWNED AND THEY'RE MOSTLY DRIVE AISLES CURRENTLY.
HOWEVER, THAT'S CONTINUED DISCUSSION, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO IN A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.
UH, THIS SHOWS FROM THE NORTHWEST AND NORTHEAST CORNERS OF THE SITE ALONG BRIDGE PARK AVENUE.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE LEFT PHOTO, UH, THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE MOVING FROM DALE DRIVE TO THE EASTERN SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ACCOMMODATED WITH THAT OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OF THE MASSING THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED.
WITH THIS BEING IN THE SID RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE ONLY LOCATED WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SOME OF THE KEY, UH, THE KEY POINTS THAT ARE EXPRESSED IN THE CODE FOR THIS ARE A BALANCED MIX OF USES WITH DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS, WITHIN THIS AREA.
PRIMARILY O UH, OFFICE EMPLOYMENT, RE SERVICE, AND COMMERCIAL WITH A HEAVY RESIDENTIAL PRESENCE AS WELL TO COMPLIMENT THOSE USES.
AND THEN FINALLY, A COMFORTABLE WALKABLE STREET NETWORK.
UH, THIS SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED BY THE STAR AND THERE'S NO SPECIFIC OR ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS NEEDED FOR THE SITE TO DEVELOP.
A FEW THINGS TO ADD, UH, FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING AT THIS POINT.
AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE SPECIFIC DETAILS, UM, AND THAT IS REFERENCED AS WELL IN THE REPORT.
BUT A FEW ITEMS WE WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON PUBLIC STREETS, AND THIS IS MOSTLY AROUND BANKER DRIVE AND THEN WHAT SHOWN AS STREET B, UH, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT SITE PLAN.
I SAY THOSE ARE CURRENTLY PRIVATE, THEY'RE OWNED PRIVATELY, SO THE CITY DOES NOT MAINTAIN THOSE AND THEY'RE NOT PUBLIC STREETS.
UH, THIS IS A CONTINUED DISCUSSION WITH STAFF
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AND THEN THE APPLICANT AND THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE APPROACH THIS, HOW DO WE BRING THIS AREA INTO, UM, THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT STANDARDS FOR STREET SCAPES BECAUSE THE INTENT IS THAT STREET B WOULD PROVIDE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE GARAGE.UM, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THOSE DETAILS QUITE YET.
UH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEN THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO HOPEFULLY MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THOSE PROPERTIES AND GET THOSE, UH, BROUGHT UP TO DATE.
BUT IF NOT, CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THAT AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AT A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, UH, THIS AS WELL AS THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, THOSE ARE BOTH ACCOMMODATING.
PHASE TWO, THE CONDO DEVELOPMENT OVER TOP OF THE CODE OF PARK AND RIDE.
HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT A PART OF THIS PROPOSAL CURRENTLY BECAUSE THAT IS NOT UNDER CONTRACT AND STILL BEING WORKED THROUGH WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE 'CAUSE THEY, THE NUMBERS ARE LARGER THAN WHAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE REQUIRED FOR THE OFFICE AND THEN THE SINGLE CONDO BUILDING.
UH, BUT THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT IS ABOUT, IT'S A LITTLE OVER ONE ACRE.
UM, THAT NUMBER HASN'T BEEN IDENTIFIED YET WITH HOW MUCH IS BEING PROPOSED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS OR WHAT'S BEING SHOWN COULD BE LESS THAN THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT AT THIS MOMENT, BUT THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED 'CAUSE A WAIVER COULD BE REQUIRED IN THE FUTURE.
WITH THAT, AGAIN, ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS WOULD BE REQUIRED AND WOULD BE PROVIDED AT THAT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.
NEXT, THE CONDO BUILDING, UH, IS SHOWN AS AN APARTMENT BUILDING TYPE.
THAT BUILDING TYPE ALLOWS FOUR AND A HALF STORIES AND THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR FIVE STORIES.
SO I'M LOOKING TO UTILIZE THAT ADDITIONAL FIFTH STORY, UH, FOR FOUR UNITS WITHIN THIS BUILDING.
THEY COULD CHOOSE A DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPE THAT WOULD ALLOW FIVE STORIES AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT WE DO HAVE.
HOWEVER, THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY BE GIVING UP OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD MAYBE NEED WAIVERS AS WELL.
SO THERE'S STILL A LOT OF FLUIDITY TO THIS AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD CHANGE.
JUST WANNA BRING THAT UP FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS WELL AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND THEN THE PARKING STRUCTURE, UH, WOULD REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE BECAUSE THERE'S NO LINER ON THE, THE OUTSIDES OF THE BUILDING ALONG PUBLIC STREETS.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO COME FORWARD AT A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THAT AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT, UH, FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN, WE'VE REVIEWED IT AGAINST THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA AND ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE A LOOK TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
MR. GARVIN, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? SURE.
UH, ZACH, WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE, I'LL START WITH YOU.
JUST, UH, SOMETHING I NOTICED IN THE MATERIALS YOU HAD SAID THAT, UM, PLANNING DID NOT FEEL THAT SHOPPING WAS AN APPROPRIATE USE.
IS THAT A RESULT OF JUST THE SYCAMORE RIDGE APARTMENTS ON THE OTHER SIDE? IS THAT NOT, IS THAT NOT THE GOAL FOR SOME OTHER REASON? IS IT THE GRADE OR CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? SURE.
UH, THAT IS, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON, UM, THE CODE REQUIRES AT LEAST ONE SHOPPING CORRIDOR IN THE DISTRICT AND THAT'S PROVIDED A LONG, LONG SHORE DRIVE.
SO THAT'S A NORTH SOUTH STREET.
AND WE FELT THAT THAT WAS ADEQUATE ENOUGH FOR THIS, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE FELT IT WOULDN'T BE, UH, DESIRABLE, AT LEAST FOR THE CITY TO EXTEND THAT FURTHER, UH, ALONG BRIDGE PARK AVENUE.
SO THAT WAS THE DECISION MAKING BEHIND THAT.
MY OTHER QUESTIONS WILL BE FOR THE APPLICANT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO'S BEST TO COME UP, WHETHER THAT'D BE RUSTER, IF YOU WANNA WAIT FOR THE QUESTIONS,
UM, SO IF FOR ANY REASON NEGOTIATIONS WERE SUCCESSFUL WITH WENDY'S IN THE DAYCARE, BUT SOME SOMEHOW FELL THROUGH WITH CODA, WOULD YOU STILL ANTICIPATE MOVING FORWARD WITH PHASE ONE? YES.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, A LEASE SIGNED WITH CENOVUS.
THERE IS A, AN AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS WITH SYNOVUS AS WELL.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE VERY MOTIVATED TO GET THIS DONE.
UM, AND IT'S SIMILARLY, UM, WE ARE ALREADY NEGOTIATING WITH WENDY'S FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS THAT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW IS A, ABOUT A 70 FOOT SECTION OF THEIR PROPERTY THAT IS AN EXISTING PARKING LOT.
I THINK THEY'VE GOT IT BARRICADED OFF RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAVEN'T USED IT IN YEARS, BUT WE WILL BE PURCHASING THAT FROM THEM.
UM, AND SIMILARLY, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS GOING BACK TO THE, THE, THE PUBLIC STREET ABOUT HOW WE CAN TRY TO FIX THAT.
IT WILL BE A, A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIMING REALLY IS, IS HOW LONG IS IT GONNA TAKE TO, TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN DELIVER ON CENOVUS WHILE WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH WENDY'S AND WITH CADILLAC, WHO IS THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER.
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ABOUT PHASE ONE, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THE, UH, ISSUES AROUND THE PARKING AND THE OPEN SPACE I WANT TO CONSIDER WITH BOTH PHASES IN PLACE.UM, SO THE PHASE TWO BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE MAYBE DENSER UNITS.
HOW WOULD THOSE COMPARE TO THE WARREN IN TERMS OF SIZE PER UNIT? ARE THEY SMALLER OR? SO THE PHASE TWO UNITS ARE IDENTICAL TO THE THEODORE, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID IN G BLOCK.
IT'S THE PHASE ONE UNITS THAT ARE LARGER.
SO THOSE ARE LAR AND I'M SORRY, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD THEN THE RELATION BETWEEN WARREN AND THEATER, WHICH OF THOSE IS LARGER? THE WARREN IS LARGER.
SO THE, THE WARREN UNITS ARE ACTUALLY FAIRLY BIG.
I THINK THEY AVERAGE 18, 900, 1900 SQUARE FEET.
WHAT WE'RE AIMING FOR IN THAT PHASE ONE IS CLOSER TO THE 13 TO 1400 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN THE THEODORE IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN THAT.
AND THEN, UM, SO IF BOTH PHASES ADVANCED, UM, I'M SURE YOU'VE NOTICED IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS NOTED THAT THE PARKING GARAGE WOULDN'T QUITE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, WOULD PROBABLY NEED A WAIVER.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PLANS THAT WOULD MITIGATE THOSE PARKING NEEDS? ARE YOU TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SPACES? YES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW.
IN FACT, WE LIKE LITERALLY JUST WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS IN WHICH WE CONTINUE TO GET MORE PARKING SPACES OUT OF THAT STRUCTURE.
UM, 'CAUSE I'M, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET MORE OUT OF IT THAN WE'RE CURRENTLY GETTING.
AND IT, IT MIGHT MEAN THAT THE BUILDING GROWS BY TWO FEET AND IN DOING SO, WE'RE ABLE TO PICK UP LIKE 12 SPACES PER FLOOR.
WE WILL COME BACK AS A PART OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THAT, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THERE.
WE JUST GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE HOMEWORK TO DO.
AND I THINK THE SAME IS TRUE WITH THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
THE, AS WE'RE DOING THE CALCULATIONS TODAY, IT APPEARS THAT WE WILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND THEN JUST GENERALLY, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS JUST SOMETHING I'M ASKING.
IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING, I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A PERMANENT SOLUTION FOR THAT CODE OF NEGOTIATION, UH, IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE, IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LINK US PROJECT, THAT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME SORT OF SIGNIFICANT LOCATION THERE.
DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT SOLUTION, IF YOU CAN EVEN SPEAK TO IT COMING FROM, UH, ADDITIONAL LAND OR LAND THAT YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE UNDER YOUR CONTROL AT THIS POINT? OR IS THERE ANY LEFT? OH, WE'VE BEEN, SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT LINK US AND THE BRT FOR MANY YEARS WITH CODA.
'CAUSE THAT, I THINK THE INTENTION IS, IS THAT BRIDGE PARK WOULD BE THAT THE TEMPORARY END OF THE NORTHWEST UNTIL IT EVENTUALLY MAKES ITS WAY FURTHER WEST.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS.
AND SO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW, AND AGAIN, IT'S, WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING, UM, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HOLD SOME SPACE FOR THEM ON THE GROUND FLOOR THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, FOR LIKE, UM, UH, RESTROOMS, FOR DRIVER BREAK ROOMS FOR, UM, WAITING SPACES IN THE EVENT THAT THAT BRT WOULD ACTUALLY END AT THIS GARAGE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SPACES THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE LINCHPIN IN THIS WHOLE THING.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAVEN'T QUITE FIGURED OUT HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WE ACTUALLY NEED.
THERE ARE 86 SPACES THAT, THAT SIT ON THAT LOT RIGHT NOW.
HOW MANY ARE ACTUALLY UTILIZED TODAY? HOW MANY WILL BE UTILIZED IN THE FUTURE? THAT'S, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THOSE ANSWERS YET.
WELL THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATIONS.
HEY ZACH, CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, YOU KIND OF WENT OVER A QUICK, UM, ON THE CONDOMINIUM HEIGHT BASED ON THE STRUCTURE THEY CHOSE OR WHAT THEIR OPTIONS COULD BE.
CAN YOU GO OVER THAT AGAIN? ABOUT BETWEEN FOUR AND A HALF, FIVE? YEAH.
UH, SO EVERY BUILDING THAT IS DEVELOPED IN BRIDGE STREET HAS TO ALIGN WITH A SPECIFIC BUILDING TYPE THAT'S LISTED IN CODE.
THERE'S A LOFT BUILDING TYPE CORRIDOR.
AND FOR THIS CONDO BUILDING, IT'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING TYPE.
UH, SO IT IDENTIFIES A MAX STORY HEIGHT OF FOUR AND A HALF STORIES FOUR AND APARTMENT BUILDING WHAT THEY'RE SHOWN AS FIVE.
SO THAT MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THEY CONTINUE WITH THIS BUILDING TYPE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE A WAIVER FOR THIS TO BE FIVE STORIES.
UH, AGAIN, THAT'S HALF STORIES.
SO IT'S JUST UTILIZING THAT SPACE FOR THAT FIFTH STORY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT CALL OUT AT THIS POINT.
HOWEVER, IT COULD BE DECIDED BY THE APPLICANT, HEY, WE WANT TO GO WITH A MIXED USE FOR LOFT BUILDING.
THAT ALLOWS US TO GET THAT FIVE STORIES.
HOWEVER, THEY MAY BE GIVING UP SOME DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, TRANSPARENCY OF, OF A BUILDING AND WHERE RESIDENTIAL CAN BE LOCATED, WHETHER IT CAN BE ON THE GROUND STORY OR WHETHER IT HAS TO BE OFFICE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE WITH IT.
UM, THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, AT A CONCEPT LEVEL, THEY'RE SHOWING THIS IS WHAT THEY WANNA DO, BUT THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENTS COULD CHANGE BASED
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ON WHAT THEY DECIDE TO PURSUE IN THE FUTURE.SO IT'S, IT'S STILL KIND OF FLUID AT THE MOMENT.
UH, BUT JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT FOR THE RECORD.
MR. DESLER? YES, I DID JUST PASS YOU THE APARTMENT BUILDING TYPE CODE FROM BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SO THAT YOU CAN REFERENCE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SIMILAR, UH, ZACH ON THE GARAGE, YOU'D INDICATED SINCE THEY'RE LOOKING FROM A, I DIDN'T CATCH IT FROM A TRANSPARENCY PIECE THAT CAN, CAN YOU GO OVER THAT PART AGAIN? IT WAS A LITTLE QUICK.
I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR WHAT I WAS SPEAKING TO FOR THE PARKING STRUCTURE.
SO THE PARKING STRUCTURE IS A PERMANENT BUILDING TYPE, HOWEVER, IT'S OUTRIGHT PERMITTED IF THERE IS A LINER BUILDING THAT IS FRONTING THE STREET AND SEPARATING THE GARAGE ITSELF FROM PUBLIC STREET, WHICH IS A CONDITION THAT WE HAVE IN A FEW DIFFERENT OTHER GARAGES IN BRIDGE PARK, WHEN IT IS JUST A GARAGE BUILDING FRONTING ONTO A PUBLIC STREET, IT'S CONSIDERED CONSIDERED A CONDITIONAL USE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THERE'S SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME FORWARD AND BRING THAT WITH THAT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO IT'S AN ADDITIONAL APPROVAL.
UM, IT IS A SEPARATE APPLICATION, BUT IT WOULD COME WITH THAT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO IT'S, IT STAYS IN THAT, THAT PROCESS.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE CURRENT PROPOSED GARAGE IS ON PRIVATE STREETS.
AND THEN THE STREET A, THIS PROPOSED STREET, IS THAT A PROPOSED TO BE A PUBLIC STREET? THAT WOULD BE A PRIVATE STREET.
AND WHAT'S UH, THE, THE INTENT IS THAT BANKER DRIVE AND STREET B STREET B IS GONNA HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS.
SO THE THOUGHT IS THAT GETS BUILT OUT TO A PUBLIC STANDARD 'CAUSE THAT IS SHOWN AS SUCH ON OUR STREET NETWORK MAP.
SO BOTH OF THOSE BANKER DRIVE AND THEN STREET B ULTIMATELY ARE INTENDED TO BE PUBLIC STREETS IN THE FUTURE.
IF, IF STREET A, I MEAN, I, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PRIVATE STREETS THAT ARE EXISTING CURRENTLY IN BRIDGE PARK? YES.
UH, LONGSHORE LOOP, WHICH IS IT'S BLOCK A, IT'S BEHIND THE AC MM-HMM
SO THAT LOOP IS PRIVATE AND THEN WINDER WINDER DRIVE GO BACK AND FORTH.
UM, WHERE IT'S JUST TO THE, THE WEST OF HERE, BETWEEN THE BAILEY AND SPRING HILL, THOSE ARE BOTH PRIVATE STREETS CURRENTLY.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE OWNER IS THE OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN AND TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT STUFF.
MR. ALEXANDER, FIRST OF ALL, QUESTION FOR YOU.
ARE WE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS, THE BRICK MATERIAL? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, BECAUSE OF THE SCALE OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING? 'CAUSE WE'RE AT CONCEPT PLAN.
THIS IS REALLY A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN KIND OF DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE MASSING.
HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF, FIRST OF ALL, HAS OUR CONSULTANT REVIEWED THE MATERIAL? IF NOT, CAN YOU HAVE OUR CONSULTANT REVIEW THE MATERIAL? I HAVE SHARED THIS MATERIAL WITH THEM.
UH, THEY HAVE USED IT, BUT THEY WERE GONNA GO OUT AND SEE HOW THOSE PROJECTS HAVE HELD UP, UP.
I JUST HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION YET.
AND THAT REPORT WILL BE FILED WITH THE COMMISSION PRIOR TO PRESUMABLY EVEN PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT.
LIKELY WITH THE PRELIMINARY BECAUSE IT IS POTENTIALLY A WAIVER.
AND, AND WE WERE AWARE THAT THEY WANTED TO DO THIS MATERIAL AND ADVISE THEM TO BRING THAT TONIGHT, JUST TO GET THAT IN FRONT OF YOU ALL EARLY.
THAT WAY, IF THERE ARE ANY MAJOR PAUSES, THEY CAN, THEY CAN REROUTE IF THERE'S IMMEDIATE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION ON THE MATERIAL.
I THINK THAT WE CAN KIND OF THROW THAT OUT JUST AS A HEADS UP.
BUT WE WILL SEE THIS BACK AT A SUBSEQUENT PHASE.
UM, AND MR. BOGS, I'D REALLY LOOK TO YOU, BUT A DETERMINING FACTOR ON A CONCEPT PLAN FOR A MATERIAL USE I, I WOULD NOT THINK IS GERMANE TO TONIGHT'S DECISION.
I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT, THAT THE MATERIAL SPECS ARE NOT PART OF THE CRITERIA FOR CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW.
SO ESSENTIALLY THE COMMISSION, WE, WE CAN DISCUSS IT, WE CAN PROVIDE SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO TONIGHT'S ACTION THAT WE ARE BEING ASKED.
I'M STILL GONNA ASK MR. LIDLE A QUESTION.
SO I'M I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU ABOUT THE MATERIALS.
AND, AND IT COMES AND, AND MAYBE IT'S A RESULT, AND I'M NOT HERE TO SAY YOU SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US ALL CONCEPTUAL
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ELEVATIONS.BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN AND I SEE THAT EVEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, THE OFFICE BUILDING AND YOUR BUILDING, EVEN THE WALKS CLOSEST TO THEM AREN'T ALIGNED AS YOU CROSS THE STREET.
ARE THE TWO OF YOU COLLABORATING IN ANY WAYS TO CREATE SOME UNIFORMITY BETWEEN YOUR BUILDINGS? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, A LOT OF THE MATERIAL THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO USE ON OUR FACADES, THE COLORS ARE REALLY COMPLIMENTARY WITH EACH OTHER.
UM, WE'RE, I'M PROPOSING USING A DARK GRAY BRICK AT THE BASE OF MY BUILDING.
THEY'RE USING A DARK GRAY, ALMOST BLACK BRICK AS WELL.
AND THERE'S SOME OTHER TONES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE COMPLIMENTARY TO EACH OTHER.
SO YOU ARE WORKING TOGETHER OH, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT, THAT'S MY ONLY INITIAL QUESTION.
UM, I HAD A COUPLE STRUCTURAL QUESTIONS.
AGAIN, I'M, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THIS STREET A I'M INTRIGUED BY STREET A, UM, STREET A IS NOT A REQUIRED STREET.
AND SO I GUESS I, THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN FROM YOUR CONCEPT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, HOW DOES STREET A REALLY SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT? WHAT AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
'CAUSE IT IS ONE THAT WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON, UM, A LOT.
AND REALLY WHERE WE LANDED ON IT WAS A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE WAS TO PROVIDE A SECONDARY MEANS OF VEHICULAR EGRESS FROM THE GARAGE BECAUSE GRADE CHANGES EAST TO WEST, BUT NOT NORTH TO SOUTH SO THAT, THAT SOUTH ELEVATION DOES THIS.
SO IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET A, A WAY OUT OF THE GARAGE ON THAT SOUTH ELEVATION.
UM, THE OTHER UH, TRUTH OF IT IS IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, YOU NEED SERVICE, RIGHT? SO TRASH ROOMS, UM, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN AND YOU LOOK AT THAT OFFICE BUILDING, YOU SAY, WELL, OKAY, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE GONNA HAVE THE TRASH ROOM? WE DON'T WANT IT ON BRIDGE PARK AVENUE.
IF WE PUT IT IN THE GARAGE, IT'S TOO FAR AWAY.
WHERE DOES IT GO? AND SO, UM, FOR REALLY IT WAS THOSE TWO REASONS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE LOOKED AT THAT AS A PEDESTRIAN ONLY WAY, AND WE COULDN'T SQUARE IT WITH HOW THIS WAS ACTUALLY GONNA OPERATE.
AND, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT TOTALLY.
RIGHT? BUT YOU COULD SERVICE THE OFFICE BUILDING AND THE CONDOS, JUST THE ENDS.
YOU COULD COME IN HAMMERHEAD OR WHATEVER BACK IN, RIGHT? YOU COULD SERVE AT THE, THE NORTH END FROM THAT SIDE, AND YOU COULD SERVICE THE SOUTH SIDE AND JUST GO INTO THE GARAGE AND THEN SERVICE PHASE TWO AND NOT HAVE A THROUGH ROAD THROUGH THERE.
AND IT JUST, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, DIDN'T FEEL RIGHT.
I, I, I MEAN, AND IT'S, I I THINK IT, IT, IT DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT MATCHED WHAT WE WERE DOING IN THE REST OF BRIDGE PARK, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE, THE IDEA THAT IF YOU'RE ON A STREET, IT ACTUALLY TAKES YOU SOMEWHERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE ON THE GRAPHIC UP THERE, IS THE IDEA OF USING MATERIALS TO CHANGE HOW IT FEELS.
SO THAT THE CONNECTION FROM THE URBAN ARBORETUM I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TO THE WEST, WITH THAT LITTLE BIT OF SPACE THAT'S AT THE BASE OF THE, UH, THE CONDO AMENITY SPACE FEELS LIKE IT'S THE SAME THING.
I THINK THE, I THINK THE, THE GOAL NEEDS TO BE THAT THIS SPACE FEELS LIKE CARS CAN BE THERE, BUT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE THERE.
UM, BUT THAT, BUT THAT IT STILL SERVES A PURPOSE OF MAKING SURE THAT QUITE FRANKLY, EVEN IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE THAT'S ON BRIDGE PARK AVENUE THAT WANTS TO GET IN THAT GARAGE, SAY THEY'RE GOING TO THE WEST AND THEY MISS DAVE THOMAS BOULEVARD, THEY STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THERE.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DO SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL MM-HMM
AND THAT'S WHY I KEEP LOOKING AT THIS ROAD, JUST CUTTING THROUGH IT WHEN MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, YOU COULD HAVE MORE OPEN SPACE, YOU COULD HAVE MORE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THE NEW COMMUNITY PLAN, PUTTING PEOPLE FIRST FOR CARS SEEMS LIKE THAT'S, I AGAIN, IIII, I UNDERSTAND IT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT AND THE WIDER SIDEWALKS WITH THE SEATING ON IT.
AND YOU KNOW, I, I CAN, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE,
SO PERHAPS THEN THAT PERHAPS EVEN ZERO CURB ON EITHER SIDE AND YEAH, THERE COULD BE A WAY YEAH.
BUT MAYBE THAT YOU COULD CARRY THE PAVEMENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS THERE AND MAKE IT EXTREMELY PLAUSIBLE.
LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE CARS REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE.
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DON'T BRING YOUR FERRARI THROUGH HERE AT 60 MILES AN HOUR.UM, THAT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE ELSE.
UM, I, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I I I JUST, IT WOULD BE NICE TO EXPLORE THAT SOME MORE.
AND I KNOW YOU, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE, BUT UM, JUST AGAIN, RETHINKING THAT AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE NATURE OF THIS OPEN SPACE IS, IS REALLY INTERESTING.
AND THE BLUE LINE IS A HISTORIC DRAINAGE AREA.
SO I'M REALLY INTRIGUED TO SEE A BLUE LINE THAT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A BEGINNING AND END INTO IT.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT
SO IS THERE A POOL OF WATER? IS THERE SOMETHING MORE ABOUT WATER AND SPACE AND, AND HOW THAT BLUE LINE ENGAGES WITH IT? MM-HMM
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE EXPLORING? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE EXPLORING, YEAH.
UM, WAYS IN WHICH THAT IT CAN BE, UM, IT CAN SERVE MULTIPLE PURPOSES.
IT CAN BE BEAUTIFUL, IT CAN BE STORM, IT CAN ALSO BE EDUCATIONAL.
RIGHT? IT'S IT, AND WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES OF THAT IN BRIDGE PARK, BUT NOT TO THIS LEVEL.
UM, THE EAST WEST WALKWAY THAT RUNS SOUTH OF THE OFFICE BUILDING, UH, ONE LOOKS AT THAT AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WIDER THAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WIDE WALKWAY, PROBABLY COMMENSURATE WITH HOW WIDE IT SHOULD BE.
UM, BUT IT'S ON A SLOPE, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT JUST THIS FLAT WALKWAY, IT ACTUALLY SLOPES DOWN, RIGHT? YES.
I JUST, IS THAT, IS THAT, IT JUST, IT YOU JUST DECIDED TO MAKE THAT A WIDER WALKWAY.
IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE THE CONNECTING FOR SOMETHING FOR TO SOMETHING, OR, IT SEEMS LIKE IT HAS A, IT HAS A PURPOSE.
AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS THERE A BIGGER PURPOSE THAN JUST CONNECTION? YEAH, I, THANKS KIM.
I THINK RIGHT NOW THIS IS AN EARLY DESIGN CONCEPT, AND SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE SORT OF TRANSITIONING FROM A MORE FORMAL APPROACH TO THE LANDSCAPE UP ADJACENT TO THE OFFICE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURE, A DIFFERENT SORT OF FEEL.
MAYBE THAT ENTRY IS A LITTLE MORE PLAZA LIKE.
AND THEN AS YOU MOVE SOUTH AND YOU HAVE LESS SORT OF PUBLIC ENTRY INTO THAT CONDO, YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE SORT OF FRONT DOORS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO WE SORT OF LOOSENED IT UP DOWN THERE.
IT'S A CONCEPT, UM, AND MORE TO COME.
YEAH, WHEN I FIRST SAW IT, I WAS THINKING IT WAS, IT WAS UP ON TOP AND IT WAS FLATTENED THAT YOU COULD HAVE ALMOST LIKE AN, IT'S LIKE AN ESPLANADE AND YOU COULD HAVE SEATING ALONG IT AND YEAH, I THINK IT'S ALMOST LIKE A LINEAR PLAZA.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE ORGANIZED AND PROMENADE IN NATURE IN THIS, IN THIS SORT OF DIAGRAM AND MORE LOOSE IN NATURE ON THE OTHER HALF.
UM, YOU DID NOT SHOW AN ELEVATION OF THE EAST SIDE OF THE GARAGE.
UM, I ASSUME IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME AS THE SOUTH, IS IT ANOTHER SCRIM? UH, THE EAST IS GONNA BE PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE WEST, WHICH IS ACTUALLY UP ON THE SCREEN CURRENTLY.
AGAIN, WE'RE DOING THE CONCRETE EXPOSED TEAR AT THE, AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
SO IT'S REPEATING THE, THE WEST AND NOT THE SOUTH.
SO NOT HAVING TWO, IT'LL REPEAT BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN.
SO JUST THE SCRIM IS ONLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE? THAT CORRECT? YEP.
THAT'S GONNA BE A PON OF COLOR AGAIN, THAT FACES 1 61.
AND DID, I DIDN'T, ARE THERE ACTUALLY, HAVE YOU RUN PARKING NUMBERS ON THIS AT ALL? YES.
IS THAT IN THE PACKET? DID I MISS THAT? WAS IT 86? I SAW TOTALS IN THE GARAGE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE HOW IT RELATED TO THE PROGRAM.
SO I THINK THERE ARE 500 AND 534 4 PARKING SPACES RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S, SO THE, THE REASON IT'S NOT A PART OF THE, I DON'T THEN BELIEVE IT'S TYPICALLY A PART OF THE CONCEPT PLAN.
WE HAVE TO DO OUR OWN HOMEWORK ANYWAY.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS THE, THE, THE REASON WHY WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND IT IS BECAUSE OF THE CODA NEED.
I, I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST DOING THE NUMBERS BASED ON WHAT I WAS SEEING, AND I, AND I WASN'T ACTUALLY TYING IT DIRECTLY TO CODE, BUT KIND OF CLOSE.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT JUST, I WAS TRYING, I WASN'T GETTING TO THE NUMBERS.
SO JUST, AND I'M, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE, THAT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT.
UM, I REMEMBER, UM, NOW MANY YEARS AGO, UH, SITTING IN THIS ROOM, UH, AND HEARING ABOUT CODA AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING, WHERE THEY WERE GONNA GO, ALMOST LIKE THEY WEREN'T EVEN GONNA MAKE THIS AREA.
SO I'M WONDERING IF THE CITY COULD PULL UP PAST A MEETING INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THOSE CONVERSATIONS WENT AND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN THAT SPOT.
UM, AND, UH, SEEING IF THAT, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, COULD BE USEFUL INFORMATION.
SO I GUESS, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE LIKE AS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION OR FUTURE DISCUSSION FOR FUTURE DISCUSSIONS? OKAY.
LIKE THE BACKGROUND OF CODA IN THIS LOCATION AND HOW, YEAH.
AND I THINK THERE WERE, UH, TESTIMONY THAT PEOPLE CAME AND SPOKE ABOUT THAT WHY THEY WANTED CO OR SORRY, UH, CODA, YOU KNOW,
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UM, AT THE LOCATION THAT IT WAS.AND IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF, PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY TOWARDS THAT MS. MS. RA.
ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS WERE PUBLIC RECORD.
AND THOSE, WE CAN COMPILE A LIST OF, YOU KNOW, RELEVANT MEETINGS AND SEND THOSE TO THE COMMISSION FOR PERUSAL.
UM, ALSO I WAS THINKING ABOUT, COULD YOU EXPAND ON THE BALCONIES AND, UH, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THOSE? MEANING, I KNOW WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF THINGS, BUT WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE ABOUT THE BALCONIES.
IN THE OFFICE BUILDING, THERE ARE BALCONIES IN THE OFFICE BUILDING.
UM, SO I WOULD SAY THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A SURPRISE FOR ME.
BUT MATT BACK HERE WOULD SAY IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, UM, OUR OFFICE USERS REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THE BALCONY SPACES.
AND, UM, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IN SOME OF OUR EARLIER BUILDINGS, THERE'S LESS OF THEM.
UM, THE ONES THAT WE DID ON G BLOCK THERE, RIGHT AT THAT, UH, THAT LITTLE FOUNTAIN CORNER HAVE, HAVE, EVERYONE REALLY LOVES THEM.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR WAYS TO INCORPORATE THEM.
THE CORNER THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING THEM, UM, WHICH WILL BE, UH, CLOSE TO THE OPEN SPACE THAT WE WILL BE CREATING ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER, WAS AN OBVIOUS CHOICE.
UM, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE IF THERE WAS ADDITIONAL ONES CARVED OUTTA THE BUILDING AS WE, AS WE CONTINUE TO ADVANCE.
BUT QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR.
AND SO THEY'LL BE USED, I MEAN, LIKE YOU CAN SIT OUT THERE MM-HMM
AND IT WOULD ENHANCE THAT OPEN SPACE.
AND SO, AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BALCONIES THAT ARE A PART OF THE BUILDING.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE WILL BE PATIO SPACES AS A, THAT AT THE BASE OF THAT BUILDING THAT WILL OVERLOOK THAT OPEN SPACE.
THERE'S, OH GOSH, IT'S ALMOST A FULL STORY OF ELEVATION CHANGE FROM THE INTERSECTION UP TO THOSE PATIOS.
AND THEN ANOTHER FULL STORY OF ELEVATION CHANGE WHEN YOU GET TO THE END OF THE OFFICE BUILDING.
AND THEN ANOTHER FULL STORY AS YOU GET TO THE END OF THE CONDO OF BUILDING, IT'S, IT'S REMARKABLE THE GRADE THAT HAPPENS ALONG THAT STRETCH OF THE ROAD.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TAKING ALL THIS IN AND HOW THIS IS ALL GONNA KINDA WORK AND SO FORTH.
THE GARAGE SEEMS FAR FROM LIKE WHERE THE RESTAURANT AREA IS.
AND UM, MAYBE IT'S NOT AS FAR AS I'M PUTTING IN MY THINKING IT THROUGH, BUT DO YOU ANTICIPATE PEOPLE PARKING THERE OR DO YOU WANT PEOPLE PARKING ALONG THE STREET? WE KEEP KINDA TALKING ABOUT THAT STREET AREA.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE COME IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION ON PLENTY OF TIMES IN PREVIOUS, UM, UH, PREVIOUS BLOCKS WHERE WE KNEW WE OVERBUILT PARKING BY QUITE A BIT.
AND WE'VE TRIED TO FIX FOR THAT.
THIS BLOCK IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE REMOVED.
TO YOUR POINT, UM, THE, THE PLACEMENT OF THE GARAGE HERE IS SIMPLY BECAUSE IT, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT DALE DRIVE AND YOU THINK ABOUT BRIDGE PARK AVENUE, THAT IT FELT LIKE THE CORRECT PLACEMENT THAT WE WERE HONORING BRIDGE PARK AVENUE AND DALE DRIVE AS THE PRIMARY STREETS.
UM, I THINK WE ALL EXPECT THAT ANY RESTAURANTS THAT HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT BUILDING, PEOPLE ARE LIKELY GOING TO PARK IN BRIDGE PARK PROPER.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USED TO.
THAT THAT GARAGE IS FAR MORE LIKELY TO BE USED FOR THE OFFICE USERS AND THE CONDO USERS.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, IT REALLY ISN'T AS FAR AS IT LOOKS.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY SHOCKINGLY NOT THAT FAR.
I MEAN, IF YOU WERE TO USE THAT GARAGE AND HIT THE ELEVATOR AND GO DOWN, IT'S PROBABLY LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET FROM WHERE YOU EXIT THE DOOR TO THE GARAGE AND ENTER THE ENTRANCE TO THE OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH ISN'T THAT MUCH DIFFERENT FROM MY WALK EVERY DAY FROM, YOU KNOW, SEED BLOCK IT.
THAT'S THE KIND OF THE NATURE OF THE, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT CONNECTING, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE SHOPPING SITUATION AND, AND MAYBE HOW EVERYONE CAME TO THAT, BUT THEN THERE'S ACROSS FROM 1 61, THERE'S SHOPS AND SOME RESTAURANTS THERE.
ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE WALKABLE FOR THAT, FOR THAT AREA, CONNECTING TO THE OTHER SIDE OF 1 61 OR CONNECTING TO CONNECTING TO LIKE WHERE WENDY'S, UH, THE RESTAURANT IS? DOES THAT MAKE, OR DO YOU NOT? SO MS. ROUSH, THIS HAS BEEN SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION IN SOME OF OUR, YOU KNOW, LARGER MEETINGS.
CITY COUNCIL I KNOW HAS BEEN DISCUSSING CROSSING OVER 1 61, THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE ROUNDABOUT AND WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE, COULD OR WOULD'VE DONE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
DO YOU KNOW IF THE CITY HAS ANY ADDITIONAL BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE APPLICANT.
THAT'S MORE THE CITY SIDE OF THINGS.
SO THAT WAS RAISED, UM, ACTUALLY RELATED TO A DIFFERENT BLOCK.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE, OUR DESIRE, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING, UM, ON 1 61 DUBLIN
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GRANDVILLE, LOOKING AT HOW TO TRANSFORM THE STREET SCAPE PIECE OF THAT BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT PEOPLE ON THE STREET.WE DON'T WANT THEM GOING OVER, WE WANT THAT STREET SCAPE TO FEEL MORE INVITING, MORE FRIENDLY TO PEDESTRIANS, UM, PARTICULARLY AT THE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, SO THE GOAL WITH THE CITY HAS REALLY BEEN LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THOSE DESIGN SOLUTIONS TO ACHIEVE THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT, AGAIN, THE WHOLE GOAL IS TO GET PEOPLE ACTIVATED AT THE STREET, NOT NECESSARILY TAKE THEM OVER.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH Y BLOCK.
UM, AND, AND IT'S ALSO EXTREMELY COSTLY
AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS AND THINGS THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LOT OF CLEARANCE AND YEAH, IT'S VERY COMPLICATED.
NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AT THIS POINT.
YEAH, THIS IS A REALLY NICE, NICE PRESENTATION.
I, AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A LOT OF COMMENTS HAVE MADE, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR TOO MUCH, BUT I, I HAVE A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.
SO FOR, FOR STAFF FOR ON BANK BANKER DRIVE AND STREET B, UM, JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION, 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY WILL NEED TO BE WIDENED IF THEY'RE MADE TO BE PUBLIC STREETS AND THERE'D BE SOME STREETSCAPE SIGNIFICANT UPDATES TO THOSE.
SO I GUESS, AND JUST OUT OF, JUST FOR MY KNOWLEDGE, WHAT, WHY DOES THAT COME OUT OF THE ADJACENT SPACES AND NOT THIS PARTICULAR, LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF, IF WE'RE GONNA WIDEN THE ROAD, WHY AREN'T THEY TAKING SPACE OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO TAKING SPACE OUT OF THE WENDY'S AND CADILLAC? SURE.
UM, STREET BEE ISN'T ANTICIPATED.
THE GOAL IS FOR THE CENTER LINE OF THAT STREET TO BE THE EXACT CENTER LINE OF WHAT DAVE THOMAS CURRENTLY IS.
SO THIS, THIS DOES ACTUALLY ACCOMMODATE SPACE TO ADD YOU KNOW AT LEAST HALF THE STREET SCAPE FOR STREET, BAY STREET BEE TO MEET THOSE, THOSE STREET SCAPE STANDARDS.
SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE, MY UNDERSTANDING WITH RUSS AND HIS TEAM IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THAT AS WELL AS BANKER DRIVE OUT TO MEET THOSE BRIDGE STREET STREETSCAPE STANDARDS.
SO THEY'RE STILL PROVIDING THAT SPACE.
BUT FOR STREET BI, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A LOT MORE WORK TO DO.
AND, AND THE APPLICANT HAS A LOT MORE WORK TO DO ABOUT WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A COHESIVE STREET THAT WE CAN ADVERTISE AS, YES, THIS, THIS MEETS THE STANDARDS THAT WE WOULD EXPECT ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS YOU'RE SAYING WOULD COME FROM, I GUESS BOTH PROPERTIES WOULD CONCEDE TO, OKAY.
AND THEN THE OTHER, A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE, THE, THE, THE SCRIM AND OVERSIZED GRAPHICS THAT, THAT DOESN'T, THAT'S SEPARATE FROM SIGNAGE, RIGHT? I KNOW WE'RE, I KNOW WE'RE DOING IT ELSEWHERE DOWN THERE, BUT THAT'S, THIS IS A LOT OF IT AND I JUST DIDN'T THAT, THAT, THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED SIGNAGE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'S, OR IS IT, I BELIEVE WE'VE CONSIDERED IT ART IN THE PAST.
IS THAT RIGHT, JENNY? WITH THE OTHER BLOCK THAT DID THIS? YEAH, SO WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT ART.
AND WE DID WORK WITH THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL FOR THE, THE EXISTING ONE IN G BLOCK.
UM, AND THEN JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN WE LOOK AT SOMETHING, WE HAVE THIS DO ALRIGHT COMMENTS OR ARE QUESTIONS? WE'RE STILL IN QUESTIONS.
THE, THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UM, I KNOW IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT.
SO WHEN WE HAVE THIS REALLY NICE DEVELOPMENT AND THIS, YOU GOT THIS AREA SITTING HERE, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT, I GUESS WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE AS THE TIMEFRAME FOR THAT AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT SPACE? WHY THESE, UH, WHY RESIDENTS IN THIS OFFICE SPACE IS BEING USED? IS THAT JUST GONNA SIT THERE? LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF SITES ON CURRENTLY AT BRIDGE PARK THAT ARE JUST GRAVEL PITS.
WHAT'S THIS? I GUESS CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THE VISION FOR THAT IS? THE INTENTION IS THIS, THAT THESE ARE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES BUILT AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME.
THEY WON'T OPEN ON THE SAME DAY, BUT YOU WILL SEE CONSTRUCTION ON ONE WHILE YOU WILL BE SEEING CONSTRUCTION ON THE OTHER.
SO, SO, SO FUTURE THIS PHASE TWO IS NOT YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU TOO IS, AND I, MR. WADE'S POINT WAS GREAT 'CAUSE I KIND OF, OF FELT THE SAME WAY.
YOU'VE GOT, YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT THIS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING SPECIAL.
YOU GOT THIS REALLY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY, OBVIOUSLY WITH ALL THIS GREEN SPACE.
AND IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING TO OPEN THAT UP EVEN MORE WOULD BE, I THINK REALLY A DYNAMIC SITUATION.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ADJACENT SPACES, ESPECIALLY TO THE, UM, I GUESS ACROSS DALE DRIVE THERE, DID YOU CONSIDER HOW, HOW, HOW THIS SITE, I, I GUESS THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF MISS ON SOME OF THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE OTHER SITES WHERE YOU'VE GOT THIS, THIS SIDEWALK KIND OF JUST, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT, THAT HASN'T BEEN CONSIDERED.
HAVE YOU, DID YOU GUYS LOOK AT HOW THAT, HOW THAT CONNECTS TO THE ADJACENT SITES? WHEN YOU'RE SAYING ADJACENT SITES, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT F BLOCK TO
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THE WEST OR, YES, I'M SORRY.WELL, SO BANKER OBVIOUSLY ALIGNS AS DONE BRIDGE PARK AVENUE.
YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WINDER AND THAT, THAT THE STRAIGHT SORT OF DATUM SIDEWALK THAT, THAT KIM HAD MENTIONED EARLIER.
IT'S, IT, I THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE CONTINUED EVOLUTION ON, ON EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKS.
I WOULD SUSPECT THAT IF WE WERE TO PUT A CROSSWALK THERE, ENGINEERING WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION.
UM, AND OFFICE BUILDINGS, THERE'S A CERTAIN DEPTH AT WHICH, YOU KNOW, TENANTS EXPECT THEM TO BE.
AND SO IF IF WE WERE TO MAKE THAT NARROWER IN ORDER TO LINE THOSE UP, THEN SUDDENLY THE OFFICE BUILDING DOESN'T, DOESN'T QUITE WORK.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE CAN'T BE OTHER NODS THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN THROUGH LANDSCAPE AND THROUGH CONTINUED DESIGN DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AT LEAST TALKING TO EACH OTHER.
UM, BUT WE, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY LOOKING AT THAT.
UH, IN FACT, DAN IS THE GUY THAT DESIGNED THE, UH, BAILEY JUST ACROSS THE STREET.
SO HE'S GOT A LEGACY TO UPHOLD
MR. DESLER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? HEY, ZACH.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON DALE DRIVE THERE IS THE, IT DOESN'T APPEAR ON THIS, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE ON STREET PARKING ON THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? WE'RE ONLY GONNA SEE THAT ON BANKER AND BRIDGE PARK.
I THINK THAT'S, WE NEED TO SPEAK MORE PROBABLY WITH OUR TRAFFIC TEAM TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED OR WANT ON THAT STREET.
I THINK THIS IN, IT JUST KIND OF GOES TO SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT KATHY HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THE, I KNOW THAT THE, THE GOAL WOULD BE POTENTIALLY TO HAVE PEOPLE PARK MORE, UH, WEST.
I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT WOULD BE THE WAY THIS IS STRUCTURED ON THIS BLOCK.
UM, AND THEN YOU SAID YOU HAD HALF OF THE OFFICE SOUNDS LIKE CLOSE TO LEASE OR LEASED OUT.
HAVE YOU, DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF RESTAURANTS GONNA BE THERE? HAVE THOSE DISCUSSION TAKEN PLACE? DO YOU KNOW HOW HOW BIG THAT RESTAURANT WOULD BE ON THAT FIRST FLOOR? WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, TYPICALLY WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE THE OFFICE TENANT RIGHT.
SO WE ARE INCREDIBLY FORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE THAT.
WE'VE GOT SOME IDEAS ON THE RESTAURANT TENANTS, BUT WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR THERE.
AND THAT'S NOT ATYPICAL FOR WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER.
I WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST, AND THE REASON I ASKED WAS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, THE OFFICE TENANT SO FAR.
ZACH, I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.
THE, THE BUILDING ON BRIDGE PARK THAT'S WEST OF THE SITE NOW THAT'S BUILDING IS SIX STORIES.
SO IS THAT A FUNCTION OF, OF THE BUILDING TYPE THAT WAS SELECTED FOR THAT SITE? YES.
UM, I WOULD NEED TO LOOK BACK AND SEE WHAT WE DID FOR, ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THE SPRING HILL BUILDING OR THE, THE BAILEY BUILDING? I THINK THE SPRING HILL, THE EXTENDED STAY SPRING HILL.
I, I KNOW IT'S, I WANNA SAY IT'S EITHER A LOFT OR MIXED USE BUILDING TYPE, BUT I WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAIVERS WE'VE APPROVED FOR THAT.
UM, WHETHER WE DID A HEIGHT WAIVER FOR THAT.
UM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT WITH THE NEXT PACKET OF MATERIALS AS WELL.
UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS KIND OF COVERED EVERYTHING.
YOU KNOW, THAT WE LOVE OPEN SPACE.
YOU ALSO KNOW THAT IN AN, UH, DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT'S RESIDENTIAL AND CONDO DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU HAVE SOME PRIVATE AMENITY SPACE, UH, GRADE PLAYS IN YOUR FAVOR.
WHAT IS YOUR VISION FOR SEPARATING THE PUBLIC FROM THE PRIVATE REALM? MAKING SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO RESIDE IN THE CONDOS FEEL FREE TO GO ABOUT THEIR PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, BUT NOT OBSTRUCTING THE PUBLIC UP OPEN SPACE FROM THE PUBLIC TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN TAKE PART IN THIS BEAUTIFUL AMENITY.
WHAT'S YOUR VISION THERE? SO, I MEAN, YOU KIND OF NAILED IT.
IT GREAT IS HUGELY IN OUR FAVOR IN, IN BOTH CASES THOUGH, DEFINITELY IN PHASE ONE'S CASE.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS IN WHICH IT, IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE IT IN THE GRAPHICS THAT THERE'S SORT OF A GENTLE STAIRCASE THAT TAKES YOU UP.
UH, BUT THEN THERE WOULD BE LANDSCAPE THAT WOULD SEPARATE THE PUBLIC FROM THE PRIVATE REALM.
UM, I SUSPECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING VERY, VERY SIMILAR IN PHASE TWO GRADE WORKS TO OUR ADVANTAGE TO THE WEST, NOT QUITE AS MUCH TO THE EAST, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING VERY, VERY SIMILAR THAT I THINK IS PRETTY EFFECTIVE IN D BLOCK.
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SO THE WADEL, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, THE ENTRANCE TO THE, THE GARAGE THERE THAT HAS GOT THAT, UM, UH, WONDERFUL LITTLE FOUNTAIN.AND SO WE'RE ON ONE END, IT'S, IT'S QUITE HIGH, BUT ON THE OTHER END YOU CAN ACTUALLY ACCESS IT AND I THINK IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL BE TAKING SOME CLUES FROM THAT.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT I THINK IS THE BEST ANSWER I CAN GIVE YOU AT THIS JUNCTURE.
UH, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT MR WAY.
I'M NOT TRYING TO REALLY DIG INTO PARKING.
I KNOW, BUT YOU SAID YOU, YOU TALKED UP FRONT ABOUT LIKE IF YOU ADD A COUPLE FEET TO THE BUILDING, YOU CAN GET SO MANY SPACES PER LEVEL.
I'M JUST, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT THE PARKING NUMBERS ARE OFF TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN WHAT'S REQUIRED VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING.
WOULD IT REQUIRE THE GARAGE TO GET, HAVE A MUCH BIGGER FOOTPRINT TO GET TO THAT NUMBER? OR DO YOU, YOU MUST HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT, OKAY, IN THIS FOOTPRINT WE CAN GO UP SO HIGH, WHATEVER, GET SO MANY SPACES, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT CREEP OF THE GARAGE AND I SHOULD WE ANTICIPATE THAT OR
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE THREADING THE NEEDLE ON HERE AS IT RELATES TO THE SIZE OF THAT GARAGE IS IF IT GROWS TOO MUCH IN THE NORTHERN DIRECTION, IT KILLS THE PRIVATE SPACE.
AND IF IT GROWS TOO MUCH IN THE WESTERN DIRECTION, IT KILLS THE PHASE TWO PRIVATE SPACE.
AND SO, UM, I DO THINK LIKE I 534, I WOULD BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE WERE IN THE UPPER FIVE HUNDREDS ON THAT GARAGE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A WAYS TO GO.
ALL I FULLY ALSO EXPECT THAT THERE WILL BE A PARKING PLAN THAT WILL COME WITH THIS.
AND, AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS JUST FROM, FROM OUR EXPERIENCE AT BRIDGE PARK, UM, WHEN WE HAVE DONE STANDALONE BLOCKS, WE HAVE OVERBUILT PARKING BY REALLY LARGE MARGINS.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TAKE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, WHAT WE'VE LEARNED, ULI STANDARDS AND COME TO YOU WITH A PARKING PLAN THAT WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT AND THAT WE CAN DISCUSS.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST ASKING.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE, YOU KNOW, THE TOTAL REQUIREMENTS LIKE 6 62 BY THE STAFF REPORT.
YOU'VE GOT 5 34, THAT'S 128 SPACES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COM COMPOSITION OF ALL THOSE SPACES.
OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL, TWO BEDROOM, YOU KNOW, SO, AND AGAIN, I THINK, I JUST WANNA WORRY THAT IT'S NOT JUST A COUPLE SPACES HERE AND THERE.
IT'S, IT'S A BIG DELTA RIGHT NOW.
AND WE, IT COULD HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON THE PLAN.
WE, WE ARE, WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THAT A LOT.
THERE WILL BE A PARKING PLAN WITH A SHARED PARKING STUDY.
NOT DISSIMILAR FROM WHAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER PAST.
AND AGAIN, THE SHARED PARKING PART OF IT, THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
WHEN, WHEN YOU BRING BACK THAT STUDY, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE AERIAL RIGHT NOW AND I SEE PARKING LOT, PARKING LOT, PARKING LOT FOUR SEPARATE FIVE SEC, SEPARATE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE ABOUT EQUIDISTANT TO THE EXISTING GARAGE.
SO WHEN YOU BRING BACK THAT AGREEMENT, OBVIOUSLY NOT ALL OF THOSE PARCELS ARE YOURS, BUT WHEN YOU BRING BACK SOMETHING AT THE NEXT STAGE, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE THE, THE PERFECT TIME TO NOT JUST SAY, HEY, HERE'S OUR SHARED USE AGREEMENT, BUT ALSO HERE'S THE TOTALITY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A CONCEPT PLAN FOR A BLOCK.
AND SO WE'RE KIND OF MYOPIC, BUT UNDERSTANDING THE CONTEXT BECAUSE HUMANS TEND TO BEHAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT PREDICTABLY, BUT YOU CAN FORECAST SOME THINGS.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. HUNTER.
WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? WE INVITE YOU TO PLEASE COME FORWARD.
THE MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ILLUMINATED.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I LIVE AT 32 80 LILY MAR COURT, WHICH IS SOUTH AND EAST OF THIS PROPOSED AREA.
I'M ALWAYS ONE TO HEAR ABOUT PROCEDURE AND THINGS I WANTED TO HEAR TONIGHT TO MAKE SURE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NOT A QUESTION ABOUT REZONING.
SO IT WILL BE BUILT TO THESE STANDARDS AND THE STANDARDS ARE PUBLISHED.
SO I'M VERY, UH, HOPEFUL HERE THAT WILL GET HEIGHTS AND SIZES AND THINGS THAT, UH, COMPLY WITH THE RULES.
'CAUSE IT'S MOST INTERESTING THAT JUST IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES HERE, THERE WAS A REMARK ABOUT, OH, WE HAD AN ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT HAD A WAIVER ON HEIGHT, TALK ABOUT WAIVER ON PARKING.
UH, JUST HOPE WE CAN ALL GET ALONG HERE.
I THINK I HEARD THAT THE PROPOSAL AT THIS MOMENT IN THIS CONCEPT PLAN IS A FIVE STORY GARAGE AND THAT THE RULES ALLOW A FOUR AND A HALF STORY CONDO BUILDING, BUT MIGHT GO TO FIVE.
AND THAT JUST SOUNDS FUNNY TO ME THAT THE GARAGE IS SUCH A, UH, KEY PART OF THIS.
I SAY THAT, UH, 'CAUSE A FEW YEARS BACK I HAD A GUY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UM, ASKED TO EXPAND HIS GARAGE
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ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.AND THE RE UH, THE APPLICATION WAS DENIED, SAID YOUR GARAGE WOULD LOOK TOO MASSIVE RELATIVE TO THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
AND I JUST WONDER HERE, IF A FIVE STORY GARAGE NEXT TO A FOUR STORY CONDOMINIUM WOULD LOOK OUTTA PLACE.
BUT THIS IS BRIDGE PARK, THE URBAN WALKABLE DISTRICT.
UM, I MUST SAY, I AM NOT SURE WHAT TO THINK ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE.
IT IS DEFINITELY DIFFERENT IN THE 15 YEARS THAT THE CITY'S TALKED ABOUT THE BRIDGE STREET NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WAS ALL URBAN, DOWNTOWN DENSE, DENSE DENTS.
AND BOY THAT'S TURNED INTO A LOT OF SIDEWALKS AND A LOT OF HARD SURFACES.
UM, BUT THANK YOU KATHY HARTER FOR BRINGING UP THE CODA.
SO THIS IS, THERE'S BEEN OTHER MEETINGS WHERE THERE'S BEEN, UH, PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO PHASES.
AND UH, A LOT OF TIMES THE CITY HAS TAKEN THE STANCE OF WE'RE NOT GONNA LOOK AT THIS IN PHASES, LET'S JUST DO THIS ALL AT ONCE.
AND THIS IS ESPECIALLY PECULIAR AT THIS POINT, IF NOT ALL THE PARCELS HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED, ESPECIALLY SINCE ONE OF THE PARCELS IS CODA.
AND I WAS HERE SOME YEARS AGO, IF THAT WAS EIGHT OR 10 YEARS AGO THAT CODA GOT RELOCATED TO THIS SPOT.
IT WAS VERY CLOUDY TO ME AS TO WHAT THE CITY'S INVOLVEMENT WAS.
IT SOUNDED LIKE THE CITY HAD MONEY PLANNED FOR THAT.
ONE OF THE PROSPECTS WAS TO MOVE CODA ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE BRIGHT ROAD AND EMERALD PARKWAY PARCEL.
AND THERE WAS LOTS OF TESTIMONY AND FOLKS CAME FROM MILES AROUND THE WHOLE, UM, BUS LINE 30 SHOWED UP ONE NIGHT AND GAVE LOTS OF TESTIMONY.
SO FOR ALL THE OTHER INITIATIVES OF DUBLIN, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE MIGHT BE AT A POINT WHERE CODE IS GETTING KICKED OUT OF THIS SPOT.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WITHIN THE WHOLE BRIDGE PARK CONSIDERATION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS PLAYS OUT, I REALIZE THIS IS THE ZONING, BUT REALLY AS I UNDERSTAND THE ZONING, THIS HAS TO BE LOOKING AT THIS PARCEL TONIGHT.
SO YOU FOLKS GOT A LOT TO WORK OUT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS CASE? HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY THROUGH THE LIVESTREAM? ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO COMMISSION DELIBERATION.
MS UH, MR. CHINO, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? SURE.
UM, GEN GENERALLY IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTION IS, IS GOOD.
OBVIOUSLY WE BROUGHT UP A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS AND THERE'S TO ME, QUITE A BIT STILL TO, TO, TO, TO WORK, WORK THROUGH, UM, A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE, THE EL THE EAST ELEVATION.
IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S JUST A, IT'S A, IT'S A MASS NEXT TO THOSE PARKING LOT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT SOME OF THAT.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF ARCHITECTURE, BUT A LITTLE MORE ARTICULATION, A LITTLE MORE INTEREST ON THE ARCHITECTURE WOULD, WOULD CERTAINLY BE BE HELPFUL IN, IN MY OPINION.
AND, AND, AND REALLY FIGURING OUT, UM, WHAT WE, WHAT WE ALREADY DISCUSSED ON THAT STREET.
A CONNECT, YOU KNOW, THAT PRIVATE, PRIVATE STREET, FIGURING OUT A, A, A BETTER WAY THAT THAT CAN BE, UM, A LITTLE, A LITTLE SPECIAL, A LITTLE UNIQUE TO THE SPACE, BUT GENERALLY IT'S AN OKAY DIRECTION, BUT IT'S, IT'S HARD TO KIND OF GIVE A 100% GO WITH SO MANY, UM, UNKNOWNS, I GUESS AT THIS POINT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHINNOCK, MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UH, ONE IS, UH, CODA DEFINITELY IS IMPORTANT.
UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE WAIVERS AND UH, WHAT I'M HEARING ALSO IS THAT IF YOU GET ONE OF ONE WAIVER, IT COULD BRING SOME MORE WAIVERS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF CON CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN THAT, UH, CONCERNING THE GARAGE AND SO FORTH.
I'M INTERESTED IN THE TREES THAT NEED TO GO AND WHAT'S THE REPLACEMENT FOR THAT WHEN THAT, UM, COMES DOWN.
UM, THE OFFICE BUILDING, I YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, WHEN COMING BACK, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, UM, WHAT HAS LIGHTING AND WHAT HAS DIFFERENT COLORS AND SO FORTH OF THAT SORT OF, UH, THE BRICK MATERIAL AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE A NEW, UH, COLOR ON HERE.
IT SHOWS KIND OF LIKE A BLUE, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THAT'S GOING ON THAT, THAT, UM, THAT AREA AS WELL TOO.
UM, ALSO, UM, I'M INTRIGUED WITH, UM, THE OPEN SPACE.
I THINK THAT, UM, SOUNDS YOU'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE.
I LIKE THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO MAKE IT LOOK A BIT DIFFERENT.
I LOOK AT THAT AS ALSO SOME SAFETY MEASURES
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IN THAT AREA THAT COULD BE WITH IT, WITH IT BEING WELL LIT AND SO FORTH.UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SCALE'S GONNA BE A LOT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND HOW THE, HOW THE WAIVERS GO AND SO FORTH.
UM, I HAD A COUPLE OTHER THINGS, BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND.
UM, AND, AND JUST WITH THE SIGHT LINE AND HOW, UH, BIG THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE AND, AND, UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, IMPORTANT AS WELL TOO.
UH, UM, AGAIN, ABOUT THE STREET, THINKING ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK IS GOING TO BE, UM, IMPORTANT.
AND, UM, I GUESS ALSO JUST WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH THE NUMBERS ABOUT PARKING IS I, UH, AM LISTENING TO MR. WE AND, AND, UH, HE'S GOT SOME, UH, GOOD POINTS ABOUT THAT WELL TOO.
SO THANK YOU MR. WE, UM, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A VERY GOOD, UH, USE OF THIS BLOCK.
I LIKE THE, THE MIX OF OF USES BETWEEN THE OFFICE AND THE CONDOS.
UM, I THINK THE ORGANIZATION OF IT, UM, IS VERY APPROPRIATE AND RESPONSIVE TO THE BRIDGE STREET PLAN.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT WILL, UH, I THINK THIS OPEN SPACE IS WHAT'S GONNA REALLY MAKE IT SOMETHING UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE PARK IS BLOCK AFTER BLOCK AND YOU, YOU AND EVERYBODY'S TRIED TO WORK VERY HARD TO MAKE THEM ALL UNIQUE AND, AND THERE'S SO MUCH YOU CAN DO AND SO MUCH SPACE, BUT HERE, THERE JUST SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT INGREDIENTS TO DO SOMETHING, UH, DIFFERENT.
AND I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE, THE BRIDGE, THE OPEN SPACE VARIETY THAT'S IN THE CODE.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS ONE IS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF, IT'S IN THE CORRIDOR, GREEN SPACE OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, POTENTIALLY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST, RIGHT? IT HASN'T BEEN DONE YET.
SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THAT ELEMENT IT, UM, INTEGRATED INTO OVERALL BRIDGE PARK AND JUST BRING A DIFFERENT KIND OF, UH, VIBE TO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE APPLICATION.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, MR. ALEXANDER, I AM SUPPORTIVE AS WELL.
I THINK URBANISTICALLY IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
I HAVE A COUPLE, COUPLE ISSUES, UH, BUT I, I DO LIKE THE WAY IT REINFORCES THE STREET WALL AND REALLY FEELS LIKE THE FABRIC OF BRIDGE PARK IS MOVING BACK HOWEVER THE FABRIC CHANGES TO THE WEST.
AND SO, OR TO THE NORTH, EXCUSE ME.
AND SO MY CONCERN IS WHEN I SEE THE, WHEN WE SEE IN THE FUTURE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE FACADES, HOW YOU ADDRESS A DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT SCALE ACROSS THAT STREET.
AND SO WHETHER IT'S, WHILE WE BEGAN TO SEE THERE WAS SOME ARTICULATION ON THE FACADE OF THE OFFICE BUILDING, UH, BREAKING THAT UP INTO SMALLER VOLUMES.
UH, I THINK SOME OF THE INSPIRATION IMAGES FOR THE APARTMENTS, WHICH SUGGESTED YOU HAD A LAYER THAT WAS MAYBE FOUR STORIES OR WASN'T AS TALL, AND THEN THE, THE HEIGHT WAS BACK BEYOND THAT LAYER.
BUT SOME STRATEGIES THAT RECOGNIZED, 'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY IN A UNIQUE LOCATION.
YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS BRIDGE PARK, BUT YOU STILL NEED TO ADDRESS THE FABRIC IN THE OTHER DIRECTIONS.
I APPRECIATE THE WAY THE COURTS ARE TURNED IN, IN A MUCH MORE URBANISTIC GESTURE THAN SOMETIMES WE SEE OTHER PLACES AND THE STREET WALL IS REINFORCED WITH THE BUILDINGS.
AND UH, AND I'M OKAY WITH THE HEIGHT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I ASKED THE QUESTION, YOU HAVE SIX STORIES BORDERING I THINK EVEN THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH I THINK URBANISTICALLY, IT MAKES SENSE TO GET CLOSER TO THAT BUILDING HEIGHT, UM, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE, THE GUIDELINES MAY SAY SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT I THINK BECAUSE THE GRADE AND BECAUSE THE NATURE OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE CONNECTIONS I THINK ARE IMPORTANT, I'M FINE WITH THE HEIGHT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR THAT.
MR. TESLER, I HAVE A CLARIFICATION ACTUALLY, ZACH, UM, YOU, YOU WOULD INDICATE IN NUMBER FOUR ON THE, UH, ON THE, THE CRITERIA ARE WE, YOU TALK ABOUT A STANDALONE GARAGE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS ATTACHED TO THE CONDOS.
STANDALONE IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S, IT'S ITS OWN BUILDING TYPE THAT IS ATTACHED TO A DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPE.
SO IT'S, MAYBE STANDALONE WAS THE WRONG TERM, BUT JUST STATING THAT THAT BUILDING TYPE IS CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED BASED ON THE FEATURES THAT IT CURRENTLY HAS.
NOT HAVING THAT LINER BUILDING.
'CAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THERE WAS GONNA BE EVERY FLOOR WAS GONNA HAVE A, LIKE IT WAS GONNA BE ATTACHED TO THAT CONDO BUILDING.
IT IS CONNECTED, RIGHT? YES, CORRECT.
YEAH, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT INTEGRATED.
IT IS OWN BUILDING, BUT IT IS CONNECTED.
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AND I, YEAH, I, OKAY, I WOULDN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT IT IS CONNECTED ON ALL FLOORS FOR IT.UM, SO YOU KNOW, KIM, WE, WE HAD BOTH ADDRESSED THIS, THE STREET A PIECE.
SO I WANNA GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS HERE BECAUSE I'M NOT, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE, THE CUT THROUGH.
AND, BUT YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'RE BETTER WITH THIS TYPE OF STUFF.
WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER SEE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT FULL CUT THROUGH THERE? WHAT COULD, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK WOULD FIT BEST? UH, I I, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION AND, YOU KNOW, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION, EARLY FEEDBACK AND MR. HUNTER, I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE EARLY FEEDBACK FROM THE COMM.
THE COMMISSION IS VALUABLE, BUT THE CONCEPT PLAN OF USE OF DENSITY OF THAT, THAT STREET DOES SPEAK TO BLOCKS, RIGHT? IT SPEAKS TO FOOTPRINTS, BUT THAT'S THE BUILDING BLOCKS THAT ARE USUALLY IN THAT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN THE CONCEPT PLAN.
SO, UM, I I THINK I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT, YOU'VE CONTEMPLATED THAT, THAT STREET PROBABLY AD NAUSEUM AND I HAVE, YOU KNOW, MY OWN PERSONAL COMMENTS COMING UP HERE IN A MINUTE.
UH, DO YOU WANT ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION ON THAT PARTICULAR ELEMENT OF THE PLAN AT THIS PHASE? UNDERSTANDING THAT SHOULD YOU COME BACK PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT AND THE COMMISSION SAYS UHUH, WE DON'T LIKE THAT, WE WANT THE GREENWAY THROUGH COULD SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE YOUR PLANS.
I THINK IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR THEM.
I, I THINK WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM, FROM, FROM ME, AND I KNOW JEFF HAS SHARES THIS, WE'RE NOT ENTIRELY SURE WE KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS.
UM, THE IDEA OF A CUL-DE-SAC OR A HAMMERHEAD TO ME, I'M LIKE, OH, I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE EITHER.
AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMEWORK TO DO.
WE HAVE, THERE'S FURTHER DESIGN TO DO, BUT WE'RE ALWAYS WILLING TO, TO HEAR COMMENT.
SO, UH, I DON'T WANNA PUT ANYONE ON THE SPOT AND THE COMMISSION IS NOT IN THE HABIT OF DESIGNING FOR THE APPLICANT.
BUT IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THE APP THAT THE COMMISSION SAYS, HEY LOOK, YOU KNOW, I WOULD NOT WANT A THOROUGH STREET.
OF COURSE UNDERSTANDING THAT PUBLIC SAFETY WOULD NEED TO SIGN OFF ON IT.
ENGINEERING WOULD NEED TO SIGN OFF OF IT.
YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION IS NOT THE FINAL DECISION MAKER THERE.
IF SOMEONE FROM THE COMMISSION HAS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPLICANT IS SAYING, HEY, WE WANNA HEAR THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DESIGN FROM THE DIA EITHER.
AND THE OTHER THING IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME WAS RAY RAN BACK UP HERE, IS IT'S POSSIBLE THAT BY NOT HAVING THAT THERE, WE COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL WAIVERS, THANK YOU, BECAUSE OF BLOCK LENGTH.
AND I WOULD SAY THE, THE CON THE DISCUSSION PREVIOUSLY, UM, AND UM, OPENED UP SOME IDEAS THAT MIGHT BE EXPLORED.
AND I THINK, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE EXPLORATION OF IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT TOO.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE.
YOU'RE HEARING THAT A ROAD CUTTING THROUGH THERE IS NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE IN LOVE WITH.
AND SO WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS? HOW DO YOU, AND AGAIN, THERE STILL COULD BE A STREET THERE, BUT HOW DO YOU PAVE IT AND RIGHT, DO YOU CONTROL IT SO THAT YOU CAN CLOSE IT OFF DURING NIGHTS? AND SO IT'S JUST A BIG, SO I THINK YOU'VE HEARD THAT, THAT DISCUSSION.
I THINK YOU SHOULD RUN WITH IT.
MR. DESLER, DID THAT ADDRESS YOUR REQUEST? NOT REALLY, BUT I'LL MOVE ON SINCE YOU SOUND LIKE YOU WANT ME TO.
UM, WHAT I'LL SAY IS THIS, IT COMES BACK AND IT'S THE SAME.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GIVE MY APPROVAL.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO GIVE THEM SOME OPTIONS.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DESIGN IT.
WE'RE NOT, WELL, SOME OF US ARE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS.
BUT THEM HEARING US TALK TOGETHER AS A COMMISSION MAY SPARK AN OUNCE OF A NEW IDEA.
UH, LEMME LOOK AT THE REST OF MY NOTES.
MR. DELA, DID YOU WANNA OFFER YOUR PARTICULAR CONCERNS? SO MR. WAY ADDRESSED, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SACRIFICING SOME OF THE GREEN BELT THROUGH THERE BY HAVING A ROAD.
WELL, I JUST FIGURE WE COULD HAVE JUST A, A CONVERSATION.
THAT'S WHAT A DELIBERATION IS.
WHEN WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS THE APPLICANT OR THE CITY.
WE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING, AND THEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GATHER THEIR IDEAS FROM WHAT WE'RE SAYING AND YOU KNOW, HOW OUR REACTIONS, OUR MANNERISMS ARE TO CERTAIN THINGS.
AT LEAST THAT'S HOW I WOULD TAKE IT.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, IS THAT
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I'M NOT SURE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT TO SEE.WHAT I KNOW IS THAT I DON'T LIKE WHAT I SEE.
BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT? I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD CUT THROUGH.
I THINK IT, IT MAKES IT ALMOST TWO BLOCKS.
IT DOESN'T, IT'S NON SEQUITUR.
IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT CONNECTED.
UM, YOU PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE TRAVELING THROUGH THAT, THAT AREA.
THEY'RE GONNA USE THAT STREET.
THE CARS WILL, THEY'RE GONNA DO EXACTLY WHAT KIM SAID, DRIVE THE FERRARI AT 60 MILES AN HOUR.
IT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET IT UP AT 60 THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I GOING TO SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE.
AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO COME TO A RESOLUTION NOT ONLY WITH WENDY'S, BUT RELATIVE TO, TO CODA AS WELL.
THE WAY THE GARAGE IS STRUCTURED, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S VISIBLY IT LOOKS GOOD.
SO I THINK THAT ASPECT, I LIKE THE IDEAS THAT YOU HAD PLACED SOME OF THE, THE SCHEMES FOR BOTH THE, THE OFFICE BUILDING AND THE GARAGE AS WELL.
I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH DALE DRIVE.
HONESTLY, ZACH, WITH THE, THE SPACING AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE PARKING THERE, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT'S GONNA BE, BE FIGURED OUT THE ON STREETE PARKING, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT SHOWN IN THIS.
SO I, I JUST WANNA VOICE THAT I DO THINK THE, UH, UH, TREES ARE GONNA BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT OPEN AREA.
I HOPE THAT THAT REMAINS A PRIORITY FOR YOU GUYS.
I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR CREATING, UM, PRIVATE SPACES WITHIN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY ANY OPEN AREA SURROUNDED BY TALLER BUILDINGS.
UM, THE HEIGHT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO VISUALIZE GIVEN THAT, UH, GRADE.
SO I HOPE WHEN IT COMES TIME TO, IF NECESSARY, SEEK WAIVERS THERE THAT YOU'LL, UM, MAYBE CONSIDER SOME SORT OF VISUAL REFERENCE THAT ALLOWS US TO ENVISION, UM, EVEN SO FAR AS FROM ACROSS THE RIVER, WHAT THAT HEIGHT, WHAT THE SKYLINE LOOKS LIKE THERE, UM, AT THOSE PROPOSED HEIGHTS.
UM, I THINK PARKING'S GONNA BE THE INTERESTING THING HERE, JUST BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE GETTING PULLED IN TWO DIRECTIONS.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT THE GARAGE TO GET TOO LARGE.
WE DON'T WANT TO LACK THE SPACES NEEDED.
SO, UM, I DO BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE PARKING GARAGE ON THE OTHER END OF WINDER THERE, THAT SEEMS TO BE MAYBE THE, IN MY OPINION, THE MOST VACANT OF THEM TYPICALLY THAT THAT DOES ALLEVIATE THOSE CONCERNS.
SO I, I THINK YOU DO HAVE ROOM THERE WITH THE PARKING PLAN.
UM, AND THEN I'LL SAY INCIDENTALLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT, UH, SOMETHING MOST OF THE BOARD'S IN AGREEMENT, BUT I LIKE THAT THE STREET CUTS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
I THINK THAT YOU CAN CREATE ADDITIONAL ISSUES BY HAVING THE KIND OF DEAD ENDS ON EITHER SIDE, UM, IN TERMS OF HOW PEOPLE USE THAT, WHERE THEY'D PARK.
SO I KNOW THAT'LL BE MAYBE A CHALLENGE FOR YOU TO, UH, TO CONSIDER, BUT JUST WANTED TO THROW IN MY 2 CENTS.
SO, UH, GENERALLY THOUGH, SUPPORTIVE OF IT AND, UH, I, I ESPECIALLY DO AGREE WITH MOST OF THE COMMISSION THAT THAT GREEN SPACE IS, IS, UH, A KEY TO, UH, WHAT MAKES THIS AN INTERESTING AND VIABLE BLOCK DESIGN.
UH, AT THE CONCEPT LEVEL, UH, I THINK IT MEETS THE VISION OF BRIDGE PARK.
THE BUILDING TYPES ARE ACCEPTABLE.
THE USE THE LAYOUT GENERALLY, UM, ACCEPTABLE.
I, I ACTUALLY LIKE THE ADDITIONAL INGRESS EGRESS, PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU KNOW, UH, SERVICE WAY, ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS.
I JUST WISH IT DIDN'T COME AT THE COST OF THE GREEN SPACE SEGMENTATION.
SO WHEN YOU COME BACK, IF THERE ARE CREATIVE WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT, EVEN CHANGING MATERIAL TYPE THROUGH THE BELT SO THAT IT GOES FROM A CONCRETE ASPHALT TO A BRICK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TO ESSENTIALLY GIVE THE FEEL OF HEY, HEY, YOU CAN DRIVE, BUT YOU REALLY, THIS IS DIFFERENT.
IF THERE ARE CREATIVE WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT, I THINK THE COMMISSION WOULD BE, UM, UH, ASSUMING IT STAYS, I THINK THE COMMISSION WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BECAUSE IT DOES FEEL DIFFERENT.
AND SO ADDRESSING THAT WITH SOMETHING OTHER THAN A STREET, UM, UH, WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH PARKING, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE, WE JUST BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE PARCEL, ESPECIALLY WHERE WE HAVE A LARGE PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAS MANY PARCELS, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE PARCEL DOESN'T MEAN THAT MISTAKES OVER HERE CAN'T COMPLEMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, UM, ALLOWS US TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVE CREATIVITY ON THIS PARCEL, UH, OPEN SPACE.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THAT YOU THINK YOU'LL
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BE ABLE TO MEET THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.I WOULD BE REALLY IN FAVOR OF YOUR MEETING THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
SAME WITH PARKING, OF COURSE, CONSIDERING A SHARED USE AGREEMENT, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL DEVELOPMENT, I DID APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.
WOULDN'T EXPECT ANYTHING ELSE OF THE DELIBERATION BETWEEN THE CONDO USE AND THE BUSINESS USE.
MAKING SURE THAT THE ARTICULATE, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS ELEMENTS, EVEN COLOR PLAY.
THEY DON'T NEED TO BE MATCHY MATCHY.
IN FACT, WE DON'T REALLY WANT CARBON COPIES.
UH, THEY, WE EXPECT THEM TO LOOK DIFFERENT BUT COMPLIMENTARY.
SOMETHING THAT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, A JUXTAPOSITION OF, HEY, I'M IN ULTRAMODERN AND THAT I'M IN, YOU KNOW, COLONIAL AND, AND YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB SO FAR WITH THE INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES.
UH, THE, I THINK THE FINAL COMMENT THAT I WOULD HAVE OTHER THAN WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS BACK AS YOU KNOW, CRAYONS BECOME DUPLOS AND THEN LEGOS IS, UH, I KNEE-JERK ON THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND I ACTUALLY HAD, YOU KNOW, MY MOMENT OF UHUH ON THE PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE IT LOOKED SO PLAIN IN THE DRAWINGS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SEE THE SCRIPT.
SO IF WE COME BACK WITH FUTURE DRAWINGS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC READS ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT THE COMMISSION READS AND THEY SEE THIS PLAIN VANILLA KIND OF STEP BACK IN TIME, LOOK AT OUR VERY FIRST PARKING GARAGES THAT WE ALL THINK WE COULD HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN BRIDGE PARK.
SO I WOULD, UM, ADVOCATE FOR SOME LEVEL OF DOCUMENTATION AND VISIBILITY TO WHAT THE IDEAS ARE ON THE DRAWINGS THEMSELVES.
LOOKING TO MY FELLOW COMMISSION MEMBERS JUST TO MAKE SURE NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE FOR DELIBERATION.
AGAIN, THIS IS CONCEPT PLAN, BUT IT'S BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SO WE GET TO VOTE ON THIS.
WE ARE NOT THE FINAL DECISION MAKING BODY ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
THAT WOULD BE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT HAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO WITH THAT, UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND WE HAVE HOW MANY CONDITIONS? I DON'T TWO.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANOTHER CONDITION AND THAT ADDS, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT WILL EXPLORE SOME ALTERNATIVES WITH STREET A IN TERMS OF MAKING IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY BASED ON THE DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION.
AND IT WASN'T UNANIMOUS, BUT THERE WAS ENOUGH.
I, I'M LOOKING TO THE APPLICANT.
THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN, SO NOT REQUIRED.
THAT'S PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD ANYWAY.
BUT IF THE APPLICANT IS ACCEPTING, THEN I'M JUST READING.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION MR WAY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT INCLUDING ITEM THREE.
WE WILL PUT THAT BEFORE THE COMMISSION, RIGHT.
SO MOTION TO A APPROVE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN WITH RECONDITIONS.
I HAVE A FIRST, DO I HAVE SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
THANK YOU MR. HUNTER AND TEAM, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU, UH, FOR, FOR BRINGING FORWARD ANOTHER SPECIAL BLOCK IN IN BRIDGE PARK AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS IN THE FUTURE.
ALRIGHT, WE WILL GO BACK TO OUR CASE.
[Case #24-136INF]
24 DASH 1 36 INF.THIS IS MAG VOLVO, INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK ON PROPOSED BUILDING MODIFICATIONS AND NEW SIGNS TO THE APPROXIMATELY 15 AND A HALF ACRE SITE ZONED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, MIDWESTERN AUTO GROUP LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF PERIMETER DRIVE AND PERIMETER LOOP ROAD.
GOOD EVENING AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYBODY.
UH, LOOKING AT THE VOLVO, UH, SORT OF PORTION OF THE MAIN MAG BUILDING.
UM, WE ARE, UH, WE NEED TO, UM, UPDATE THE, THE FACADE, THE EXTERIOR OF IT WITH SOME BRAND ELEMENTS, UH, THAT VOLVO, THE BRAND IMAGING HAS UPDATED SINCE OUR, YOU KNOW, ORIGINAL PASS AT THIS.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY IN THE PACKAGE, UH, SOME KEY ITEMS THAT I'LL POINT OUT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE INTRODUCING TO, UH, THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY REPLACING THE STOREFRONT THAT IS, THAT IS THERE AROUND THE SHOWROOM TO A MORE OF A FROSTED GLASS PROBABLY, UH, WHERE THE,
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UH, MALLIAN IS BEHIND IT.SO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER DIAMONDS THAT ARE PRESENT ON, ON SITE.
UM, THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS SORT OF BLUE METAL PANEL, UH, WITH THE VOLVO SIGNAGE ON IT, UM, AS WELL AS THESE DISPLAY WINDOWS, UM, INTO THE SHOWROOM.
UH, ONE BEING, YOU KNOW, ON THE FRONT FACADE AND AT THE ENTRY SORT OF A METAL, UM, ENTRY PORTAL, UH, WITH THE WOOD TEXTURE.
THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, REQUIREMENTS OF UP LIGHTING THE, UH, CIRCULAR DISPLAYS THAT ARE OUT FRONT.
UM, AND HIGHLIGHTING, UH, THE VEHICLE DISPLAY AREAS.
SO THESE ARE THE KEY ITEMS. THERE ARE, UH, WHAT THREE NEW SIGNS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD TO AS WALL SIGNS AND ONE AS A SERVICE SIGN, UM, ON THIS APPLICATION.
SO REALLY WANTED TO COME TONIGHT TO, UH, GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THESE INDIVIDUAL ELEMENTS.
I FEEL THE STAFF REPORT, UH, CALL SOME GREAT QUESTION FOR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING AND REALLY LOOK IN SOME FEEDBACK SO THAT I CAN COME BACK WITH A FORMAL APPLICATION.
UH, MR. HEEL, IS THIS ONE YOURS AS WELL? THIS IS MINE, YES.
I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.
UH, SO THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW OF A PUD PROCESS.
UH, THE NEXT STEP FOR THIS WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, UH, AMENDED FOUND DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, SINCE THIS SITE HAS BEEN DEVELOPED ALREADY.
UM, AND THIS IS AN APPLICATION TYPE THAT IN TERMS OF THE AMENDED FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS REQUIRED FOR ANY SORT OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAYBE DON'T, UM, MAYBE ARE TOO MUCH FOR STAFF TO HANDLE.
UM, SO THEY, THEY WOULD COME UP TO YOU.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS APPLICATION WOULD, UH, FOLLOW WITH, UM, SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IS THE, THE PORTION OF THE MAGS IS SUB AREA A, UH, AND THE STAR REPRESENTS WHERE WE'RE FOCUSING TONIGHT WITH VOLVO IN THE MAIN MAG BUILDING.
UH, JUST FOR SOME BACKGROUND, UH, THE THREE WALL SIGNS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, THESE ARE ALL WITHIN SUB AREA A, UH, AND PER THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE SIGN PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN 2018, UH, SUB A HAS PERMITTED THREE WALL SIGNS IN TOTAL ACROSS THE ENTIRE CAMPUS.
UH, SO THERE CURRENTLY ARE THREE SIGNS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
SO ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNS WOULD, UH, NEED AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHICH WOULD LIKELY ALSO HAVE TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL SINCE THEY APPROVED THE LAST ONE AS WELL.
AND IT JUST CLOSED OUT MY ENTIRE APPLICATION.
ALL RIGHT, I THINK WE'RE BACK.
SO THE, THE TEXT IS ALSO RATHER UNIQUE IN HOW IT IDENTIFIES DIFFERENT SIGN TYPES BECAUSE THIS IS A, A LARGER, MORE GLOBAL, UM, DEALERSHIP CAMPUS.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE DEALERSHIPS WITHIN THE MAG CAMPUS.
SO THE BRAND SIGNS WHICH ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, UM, EACH TENANT IS PERMITTED TO HAVE THESE SIGNS AND THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GLORIFIED MONUMENT SIGNS, WHICH WE HAVE BRANDED AS BRAND SIGNS.
SO, UH, VOLVO DOES HAVE AN EXISTING SIGN IN THE MAIN BUILDING, WHICH YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM LEFT.
UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT ALL OTHER TENANTS WITHIN THIS BUILDING ALSO HAVE BRAND SIGNS.
UM, THE ONLY TWO, THE TWO OTHER WALL SIGNS ARE WITH THE PORSCHE AND FERRARI BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE BOTH STANDALONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, SO I WON'T TOUCH TOO MUCH MORE ON THIS AS BRAD, UH, DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING THEIR PROJECT.
I DID WANNA PO POINT OUT A FEW, UH, POINTS WHICH ARE EXPRESSED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UH, THE, THE ETCH GLASS AND THE, UM, THE WOOD DETAILED A CM, UH, AT THE ENTRY POINTS, UH, THOSE DO NOT, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT TALKS ABOUT HAVING CLEAR, TRANSPARENT BUILDINGS, UM, AND YOU SEE THAT CONSISTENTLY ACROSS THIS BUILDING ALREADY.
SO THIS WOULD BE CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF RAISED THIS CONCERN TO THE APPLICANT, UH, THAT THIS WOULD BE CHANGING THE INTENT OF THIS BUILDING AND, AND THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SOME OF THE MATERIALS ALSO DO NOT MEET THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.
UM, SO JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
SO THERE WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT FOR THESE, SOME OF THESE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO OCCUR.
UM, THE ADDITIONAL WALL SIGNS, BECAUSE THE THREE WALL SIGNS ARE CURRENTLY OUT THERE, THE ADDITIONAL WALL SIGNS WOULD EXCEED THEIR LIMITS.
SO A DEVELOPMENT TEXT AMENDMENT WOULD BE
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REQUIRED TO ADD THOSE SIGNS TO THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND FOR THIS, THIS SPACE.UM, AND THEN FINALLY THE VEHICLE DISPLAY LIGHTING, WHICH WOULD BE UPLIGHTING FOR SOME OF THIS DISPLAY AREA, UM, THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY ALLOWED AND PERMITTED IN THE TEXT AND WE TYPICALLY DON'T SEE THAT AS WELL IN OUR STANDARD ZONING CODE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDED IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.
UH, SO WITH THAT, THERE ARE THREE QUESTIONS, UH, RELATED TO THOSE TOPICS.
UH, WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS.
MR. CHINOOK, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? YEP.
UM, SO, UM, THE QUESTION FOR STAFFER ZACH, UH, DO WE, THIS CONER MATERIAL, IS THERE EXAMPLES OF IT BEING USED ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE AREA OR IN EVELYN? I AM NOT AWARE OF WHETHER THIS MATERIAL'S BEEN USED.
MS. HARDER, AM I NOTICING THAT IT DOES SAY DUBLIN AND WHITE? IS THAT WHAT LIKE A, A CLEAR OR IS THAT PART OF UH, IT'S OVER TO THE RIGHT MM-HMM
I SEE OVER TOP OF THE, THAT ENTRANCE FEATURE? YEAH, THE ONE, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL SIGN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
IS THAT COUNTED AS THE, THAT WOULD BE COUNTED AS ONE OF THE WALL SIGNS, YES.
SO THERE MAY BE TWO OVER, IS THAT WHAT? YES.
AND THEN IS IT MIMICKING? SO I SEE ABOVE THE VULVA SIGN THERE'S A WAY YOU CAN GET THE CARS IN AND OUT AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE I SEE ANOTHER, IS THAT A DOORWAY JUST THE SAME? IS THAT WHAT I'M SEEING? OH, THANK YOU.
NO, ACTUALLY THE DOOR IT BELOW THE VOLVO IS THE CAR DOOR TO GET INTO THE SHOWROOM.
THE OTHER ONE WILL JUST BE A CLEAR TRANSPARENT GLASS WHERE THEY'LL, A VEHICLE WILL BE DISPLAYED KINDA LIKE A, LIKE A SHOEBOX KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, DISPLAY.
SORRY, I WAS MISSING THAT A BIT.
UM, BUT SINCE THANK YOU MM-HMM
UM, JUST WITH THE FROSTED GLASS, CAN YOU SEE AN OUTLINE OF A CAR IN THE AT NIGHT? WOULD YOU SEE THAT AT ALL? NO.
IT'LL BE A, IT'LL BE A SORT OF, OF A GLOWING BOX, SO.
AND THEN JUST SO I'M CLEAR, SINCE I WASN'T UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE FOR A SECOND, UM, THE DISPLAY LIGHTING, LIKE THE RED CAR THAT WOULD BE DISPLAYED LIGHTING UNDERNEATH THERE, THAT WOULD BE WHAT? YEAH.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S AROUND THE PERIMETER.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY TWO LOCATIONS WHERE TWO VEHICLES CAN BE AND THERE'S SAY FOUR, FOUR LIGHTS THAT SHINE UPWARD AT THE CAR FROM THE GROUND.
SO THEY'RE JUST LIGHT INGROUND LIGHTS.
SO MY LAST QUESTION, IF YOU WERE DRIVING ON TWO 70, WOULD YOU SEE A BOLT OF LIGHT COMING UP OR NO? PROBABLY NOT.
'CAUSE OF THE FOOT CANDLE OF THE FIXTURES, THEY ARE, BECAUSE OF THE FOOT CANDLES OF THAT THEY ARE.
I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE CONCEPT.
I MEAN, IS THIS, THIS IS VOLVO RE REDO THEIR WHOLE BRAND AND THIS IS PART OF HOW THEY'RE BRINGING IT TO ALL OF THEIR SHOWROOMS ACROSS THE WORLD OR US YEAH.
SO THEY HAVE BRAND STANDARDS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE UPDATED THEIR EVERY 10 YEARS.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE MANUFACTURERS UPDATE THEIR BRAND STANDARDS AND SO THEY, THEY FLUSH THEM THROUGH ALL OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE TO DO THE VOLVO THAT WOULD, THAT DEVIATED FROM IT BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEXAN, BECAUSE OF THE MAG CAMPUS, UM, BACK WHAT, 2008, 10.
UM, AND SO IT'S NOW HOW DO YOU APPLY THE NEW BRAND STANDARDS TO THIS EXISTING DESIGN? AND IS IT, IS IT IS, THE INTENTION IS THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THEIR SIGNS STAND OUT WITHIN A FACADE THAT'S GLASS RIGHT NOW AND IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T READ.
IF YOU, IF YOU GO, EVEN IF YOU GOOGLE OTHER, UH, UH, DEALERSHIPS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE US THAT'S, IT'S PART OF THEIR FACADE IS BASICALLY AN ACCENT PANEL HIGHLIGHTING THE VOLVO VOLVO SIGNAGE.
BUT IS IT THE WHOLE FACADE? IS IT, ARE THEY MANDATED? IT'S BIG LIKE THIS ON MOST OF THE DEALERSHIPS? SO IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST A, A COUPLE PANELS OF GLASS THAT THEY ETCH AND THEN THEY PUT NO, IT SPLIT THE FRONT FACADE OF, OF THEIR PROTOTYPICAL, UM, DESIGN IS THE FRONT FACADE IS ALL THE ETCHED FROSTED GLASS.
THERE ARE PORTALS IN WHICH DISPLAYS TO THE SHOWROOM INSIDE WHERE YOU KIND OF SHOWCASE A CAR.
AND THEN THERE IS THE BLUE FEATURE THAT IS THE BACKGROUND FOR THE SIGNAGE.
SO THAT IS THE CONCEPT FOR THEIR BRAND.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, YEAH.
THAT LOOKS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THIS.
IT JUST, IT, AND AGAIN, MAYBE IT'S THE RENDERING, BUT I, IT SEEMS SO COUNTERINTUITIVE TO ME THAT THEY'VE GOT THIS BEAUTIFUL GLASS, YOU KNOW, FACADE THAT SHOWS OFF THEIR CARS FROM THE HIGHWAY AND AT NIGHT IT'S ALL LIT UP AND IT'S GLOWING AND IT'S, AND TO THEN RESTRICT IT
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DOWN TO THESE VERY SPECIFIC VIEWS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE VERY HIGHLY LIKELY THAT YOU'RE DRIVING BY IT 60 MILES AN HOUR, YOU'RE GONNA WOO YOU'RE GONNA MISS IT.SO I JUST FIND IT ALL VERY COUNTERINTUITIVE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, AN AUTOMOBILE SHOWROOM ENVIRONMENT.
I MEAN, I THINK THE MAG CAMPUS IS, IS REALLY, IS REALLY NICE FOR BEING A AUTOMOBILE SHOWCASE CAMPUS.
AND YOU KNOW, MAG SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON ARCHITECTURE AND PROFILING ALL THEIR DIFFERENT BRANDS AND THIS TO ME IS LIKE GOING KIND OF GOING AGAINST THAT WHOLE GRAIN.
SO I, I'M JUST TROUBLED BY THE WHOLE THING.
WE'LL COME BACK TO DELIBERATION,
SO MR. ALEXANDER, I HAD A VERY SIMILAR QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW SOME MANUFACTURERS HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE ON THE ELEVATIONS.
WHAT EXACTLY DID VOLVO PRESCRIBE? JUST THAT THEIR SIGN NEEDED TO BE THIS, THIS OUT, THIS, THIS IS THE IMAGE I RECEIVED FROM VOLVO.
SO VOLVO SENT YOU THIS RENDERING 'CAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE WE'RE SEEING HERE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE QUESTION.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SEE IN THESE OTHER, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO, TO APPLY, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR BRAND STANDARDS TO THE BUILDING.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THE FEEDBACK IS BECAUSE I KNOW HOW SENSITIVE THE, THE MAG CAMPUS IS TO DUBLIN, AND THAT'S WHY THE DIALOGUE TONIGHT MAY, DID YOU EVER CONSIDER USING THIS GLASS IN THE FENESTRATION PATTERN THAT EXISTS? YEAH.
THERE THE FE FENESTRATION THAT IT DOESN'T ALIGN.
THEY HAVE THESE VERY CLEAR CUT PANELS.
IT DOESN'T ALIGNS YEAH, IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THEIR BRAND.
IT CONNECTS WITH THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
TH THIS BUILDING IS UNIQUE AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW BETTER THAN I DO BECAUSE IT HOUSES MULTIPLE PRODUCT LINES.
IT'S NOT JUST LIKE THOSE OTHER EXAMPLES.
SO WHAT'S TO SAY THAT VW DOESN'T COME BACK BECAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
VW DOESN'T COME BACK AND SAY WE WANT A BRAND SIGN ON THE FRONT OF OUR SPACE LIKE VOLVO AND BENTLEY, WHICH IS FURTHER DOWN.
UH, UH, DO YOU, DO YOU FORESEE THAT HAPPENING? UM, I MEAN WE HAVE, SO A FEW YEARS BACK, VOL VW REQUIRED SIGNAGE AND WE ACTUALLY DID AN INTERNAL PYLON AT ONE POINT.
I, IF I DO RECALL, UH, I THINK WE DID AUDI ALSO, WE DID THAT RED FOR AUDI.
YEAH, THE RED AND IT'S INSIDE THE GLASS.
SO THE, THE SOLUTION ALWAYS WAS YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE YOUR BRANDING INSIDE THE BUILDING, LEAVE THE BUILDING NONDESCRIPT TO A BRAND BECAUSE IT'S PART OF A BIGGER CAMPUS SOLUTION.
AND THE, THE INTERIOR BECOMES THE, THE IDENTIFICATION OF BRANDS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN THE CONSISTENT, UH, MESSAGE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM EVERY COMMISSION THAT HAS, THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO.
I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, BUT I'M, I'M CURIOUS HERE.
SO HE WASN'T HERE AT THE BEGINNING, SO HE NEVER PROVIDED, UM, I KNOW SWEARING IN.
DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN? HOW DOES THAT WORK? AS AN INFORMAL, WE, WE, I DON'T KNOW.
I THIS IS JUST YEAH, IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM.
BUT YEAH, THIS IS JUST HERE FOR INFORMAL NON-BINDING DISCUSSION.
SO SHOULD, SHOULD HE COME BACK WITH A FORMAL APPLICATION? HE WOULD NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
SO LIKE, THE LAST LAST GUYS THAT WERE HERE, IF THEY WEREN'T HERE AT THE BEGINNING SINCE THERE WAS A VOTE ON IT, THE LAST CASE WE WOULD HAVE TO RES SWEAR THEM IN OR SWEAR THEM IN.
RUSS WASN'T HERE AT THE BEGINNING.
SO IF, IF THEY WEREN'T HERE AT THE BEGINNING WHERE IT BECOMES, UH, POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC WOULD BE IF SOMEBODY WOULD APPEAL IT TO COURT.
SO IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, UM, HOWEVER, THE, THE, WE DON'T TAKE ROLE.
WE DON'T ASK THEM TO SIGN AND SAY WHO ACTUALLY SWO IN.
ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE UP TO THEM TO RAISE THAT AS AN ISSUE.
IF SOMEBODY ELSE RAISED IT ON APPEAL, WE COULD HAVE THEM GO BACK AND, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPLETE AN AFFIDAVIT AS TO THE TRUTHFULNESS OF THEIR STATEMENT.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE IN THE PAST HAD APPLICANTS WHO WEREN'T HERE AT THE BEGINNING AND DONE A REESE WEARING IN HALFWAY THROUGH THE MEETING MM-HMM
I I THINK I'VE ONLY DONE IT IN FIVE, SIX YEARS.
I THINK I'VE DONE IT THREE TIMES.
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IS IT FAIR TO ASSUME THAT WITHOUT A MODIFICATION TO ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE APPLICANT COULD GET REMOTELY CLOSE TO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.THEY COULD NOT GET APPROVAL FOR WHAT IS CURRENTLY SHOWN.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THIS, SO THERE'S, THERE'S ALREADY THREE.
THE THREE OF THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE THE EXTERIOR OR THERE'S THE ONE'S JUST KIND OF THE GENERAL ONE, BUT TWO OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE THE EXTERIOR SIGNS AND THAT'S IT ON THAT, THAT BLOCK.
YEAH, IT'S THE TWO STANDALONE BUILDINGS HAVE THE WALL SIGNS, THIS BUILDING, THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC DEALERSHIP WALL SIGNS.
SO I WAS LOOKING UP, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER MORE MODERN VOLVO LOCATIONS.
I SEE THAT THAT, UM, A, THE WOOD-LIKE FINISH ON THE A CM SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE VOLVO STANDARDS.
UM, MY INITIAL THOUGHT WAS IF YOU HAD PLANS TO INCORPORATE THAT TO UPDATES TO OTHER DEALERSHIPS, IT WOULD KIND OF BRING SOME CONSISTENCY.
BUT BEING THAT THAT IS A VOLVO CONDITION, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D ANTICIPATE? UH, WE WOULD PROBABLY NOT INTRODUCE AT, AT THE OTHER SHOWROOMS BECAUSE THAT IS A DIFFERENT BRAND.
AND THEN, UM, ARE THERE, I I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LOCATION OF THE OTHER THREE SIGNS, ALL OF THEM.
IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL TO REMOVE, I WOULD SAY ONE OF THEM.
UH, I KNOW THAT THIS COUNTS AS TWO SIGNS.
UM, IS THERE POTENTIAL TO REMOVE ONE OF THE OTHERS TO BRING IT CLOSER TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE NUMBER OF SIGNS? UM, I WOULD SAY POTENTIALLY THE WELCOME MAG BEING THAT THAT'S MORE DESCRIP.
BUT THEN I WOULD BE CONCERNED AT THE, THE, THE CAL CALCULATION, THE AREA OF THE VOLVO COMPLYING WITH HELP ME.
MAYBE IT'S 15, 15 SQUARE FEET FOR SIGNAGE IN SUB AREA.
AND SOME AREA I WOULD, YEAH, WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO VERIFY WHAT THAT, IF IT WOULD COMPLY, UM, IF WE WERE TO REMOVE THE ONE TO ADD THE OTHER.
'CAUSE THE, TO YOUR POINT BRAD, IT'S THIS ENTIRE SIGN, WE WOULD LOOK AT THE SIGN FACE FACE AND WE WOULD CONSIDER THE BLUE AREA AS PART OF THE SIGN FACE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE VOLVO, IT'S ALL OF THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR EITHER STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY? ALL RIGHT.
UH, WE'LL GO INTO DELIBERATIONS, BUT I DO WANT TO OFFER, BECAUSE I THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THE COMMISSION WHO WAS HERE WHEN WE SAW THE AUDI THAT WAS ALLUDED TO EARLIER.
AND PUBLIC RECORD IS PUBLIC RECORD.
MY MEMORY IS GOING TO BE HUMAN FLAWED MEMORY, BUT UM, WHEN WE SAW THE AUDI AND MR. PARRISH, PLEASE, YOU WERE THERE TOO.
WHEN WE SAW THE AUDI, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT QUESTION BECAUSE THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR KIND OF A BLOCK TO BRANDIFY THE AUDI, AND IT'S THIS RED BLOCK, YOU CAN SEE IT OUT THERE IN THE DEALERSHIP.
IT IS NOT A SIGN, IT IS INTERNAL TO THE SITE.
IT IS A RED FEATURE WITHIN THE SHOWROOM THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO THE COMMISSION.
WHAT WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THE COMMISSION WAS ADDITIONAL LARGE FORMAT SIGNAGE.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE MAG, THE MAG CAMPUS IS SO PRESCRIPTIVE IN COLORS AND IT WAS A SUBJECT OF SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BECAUSE OF THE CAMPUS FEEL OF THE MAG COMPLEX AND NOT WANTING TO KIND OF PIECEMEAL THAT THROUGHOUT.
SO I KNOW A NUMBER OF US LOOKED UP THE VOLVO, VOLVO, UM, IMAGES AS MR. PARRISH ALLUDED TO, AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE VISION YOU CAN SEE REPEATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE NOT CARBON COPY, THEY'RE NOT COOKIE CUTTER.
IT IS, IT SPEAKS TO THE ARCHITECTURE WITHIN THOSE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS.
YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THEM WERE RETROFIT BROWNFIELD KIND OF EVENTS.
BUT, UM, SO I, BECAUSE I THINK I WAS THE ONLY ONE HERE.
DID ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON AT LEAST AND AUDI AND AUDI WAS A NEW BUILD, RIGHT? IT WASN'T A RE UH, AUDI WAS A, A MODIFICATION IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
WE ALSO SAW THE FERRARI AND THAT WAS THAT, THAT WAS DIFFERENT ALTOGETHER, BUT COLORS CAME UP IN THAT ONE AS WELL.
THE AUDI, THE AUDI ONE WAS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE, THE EXPANSION
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OF THE CAMPUS INTO SUB AREA B.WHICH A NEW DEVELOPMENT TEXT WAS WRITTEN AND APPROVED WITH DIFFERENT STANDARDS.
SO THAT IS WHY THAT SUB AREA B HAS WALL SIGNS AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY INTO JAG THE JAGUAR LAND ROVER SITE, WHICH IS SUBAR C.
SO, AND IT HAS ITS OWN SIGNAGE AND WALL.
SO IT, WHEN YOU LOOK IN TOTALITY AT THE CAMPUS, THERE'S A LOT OF WALL SIGNS, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THEY WERE PARCELED OUT INTO DIFFERENT SUB AREAS AS THE, AS THE CAMPUS EXPANDED THROUGH THE YEARS.
UM, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR DELIBERATION.
MR. ALEXANDER, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? SURE.
UM, I'M SOMEWHAT SYMPATHETIC WITH THE APPLICANTS BECAUSE I HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER IN ANOTHER PART OF THE COUNTRY WHOSE FAMILY OWNS DEALERSHIPS AND THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE LEVERAGED BY MANUFACTURER.
IT WAS NOT VOLVO THAT IF THEY DID NOT MAKE CERTAIN MODIFICATIONS, THE NUMBERS OF CARS THAT THEY WANTED AND THE MODELS THAT THEY WANTED THAT ARE ALL DECIDED AT THE DISTRIBUTION LEVEL WOULD, WOULD CHANGE.
SO I I, I, I'M SURE THERE'S SOME PRESSURE HERE, BUT I WOULD, I, I ALSO AM NOT COMFORTABLE BECAUSE THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, THIS BUILDING IS REALLY DESIGNED LIKE THIS.
THE FENESTRATION DESIGNS ONE SYSTEM, IF YOU NOTICE THE GRID THAT CREATES THE OPENINGS, IT DESIGNS ONE SYSTEM.
AND THEN WHERE THIS IS, IS WHERE THE CONCRETE MASS, WHICH IS LIKE A PARKING GARAGE, AND YOU CAN DRIVE UP THERE AND THE, THE CONCRETE MASS AND THAT SYSTEM COME TOGETHER AND, AND IT'S THE FENESTRATION SYSTEM WITHIN THAT.
WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS GRITTING OF THE WINDOWS AND THE WAY YOU SEE THE WINDOWS, THAT'S WHAT LINKS THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS BUILDING TOGETHER.
SO AS SOON AS YOU CHANGE IT TO THIS EXTENT, YOU DON'T MAKE THAT CONNECTION WITH THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION, COULD YOU KEEP THAT PATTERN AND PUT PLAYS AND, AND THEN COULD YOU MOVE THE BLUE VOLVO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SYSTEM? I MEAN, IS THERE SOME WAY TO COMPROMISE TO GET WHAT I HAVE A FEELING THEY NEED, BUT I DON'T, I CAN'T SUPPORT WHAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW.
BUT I COULD BE A LITTLE FLEXIBLE.
'CAUSE I, I I, I, I HAVE A FEELING WHAT COULD HAPPEN HERE.
SO, UM, THE ADDITIONAL NUMBER OF WALL SIGNS THOUGH, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO WHAT I'M PROPOSING AND WE'RE ADDING TO THAT, BUT I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE OTHERS COMING BACK AND WANTING MORE SIGNAGE.
UM, SO THOSE ARE MY GENERAL COMMENTS ABOUT IT.
I RELATIVE TO NUMBER THREE, DO ANY OF THE OTHER DEALERSHIPS HAVE THAT SINGULAR ILLUMINATED DISPLAY PIECE LIKE THAT? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHERS IN THE CITY.
SO, CLARIFICATION, ARE YOU TALKING THE, THE AREA FOR THE CAR OR ARE YOU TALKING THE LIGHTING OF THE DISPLAY AREA OF THE CAR? I THINK THE, THE PROPOSAL IS THE, THE LIGHTING WHERE THEY HAVE IT.
I MEAN, SOME MIGHT HAVE A PLACE WHERE THEY'RE, UH, SHOWCASING A VEHICLE, BUT HERE IT'S THE LIGHTING IS WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A CHANGE IN THE TEXT.
YEAH, IT'S, I, I'M NOT AWARE WHERE WE'VE DONE THIS TYPE OF VEHICLE DISPLAY LIGHTING.
I MEAN, A LOT OF TIMES WE SEE THAT UP ALONG THE BUILDING, RIGHT.
AS SOME UPLIGHTING ALONG THE BUILDING OR HIGHLIGHTING THOSE FEATURES, BUT NOT, NOT IN VEHICLE DISPLAY AREAS.
YOU, ANYTHING? YOU GOOD, LISA? SO MAD CAMPUS, NO, BUT GERMANE ON SAWMILL WE REVIEWED, I THOUGHT THAT HAD UPLIGHTING ON THE DISPLAY, THE LEXUS DISPLAY.
WAS IT THE LEXUS DEALER OR, OR WAS IT JUST, IT HAD BALLARDS
SO WE CAN BRING IT, WE CAN HAVE SNAP BRING IT BACK.
YEAH, I, I'LL JUST SAY THIS, THE ILLUMINATION OF THE, THE VEHICLE PIECE, I'M, I'M GENERALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THEM, SUPPORTIVE OF THAT ASPECT.
UH, BUT RELATIVE TO THE, THE WALL SIGN, UH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SIDE WITH, WITH GARY HERE, I THINK IT'S GONNA SET A PRECEDENT BY WHICH IT COULD BE WHERE EVERY SINGLE, ANYTIME THERE'S A REQUEST FOR ANY CHANGE FROM A MANUFACTURER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PRESSURE TO COMPLY AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA COME TO US.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GIVE IN AGAIN.
SO I THINK THERE'S WAYS THAT IT CAN BE DONE THAT IT MAY NOT HAVE TO HAVE A, A MODIFICATION TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.
UM, DESPITE IT BEING ONE BUILDING, I AM A LITTLE MORE OPEN TO THE DEALERSHIPS THEMSELVES BEING UNIQUE.
KIND OF LIKE, UM, THE WAY YOU WALK THROUGH A MALL AND EVERY SIGN'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
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THE ISSUE I HAVE IS THAT MOST OF IT IS CONSISTENT, AND SO YOU DON'T, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE KIND OF GONNA GET CAUGHT IN BETWEEN, UM, GOING THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALLY AS THESE NEW OPPORTUNITIES COME UP TO, YOU KNOW, REFRESH THE INDIVIDUAL DEALERSHIPS.YOU'VE GOT SOME THAT HAVE, UH, GARY, YOU MENTIONED THE EXISTING FENESTRATION.
I THINK THAT LOOKS DATED IN MY OPINION.
YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT ALL REPLACED, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, DOES THIS, DOES THIS LOOK STRANGE WITH THESE MODIFICATIONS JUST TO VOLVO? AND THEN OF COURSE YOU'VE GOT THE SEPARATE BUILDINGS LIKE THE AUDI WE DISCUSSED, BUT, UM, SO IT'S COMPLICATED.
I GENERALLY, I SUPPORT THE BUILDING MODIFICATIONS, BUT NOT IF THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE THIS FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, UM, LOOKING OUT OF PLACE RELATIVE TO THE OTHER DEALERSHIPS IN THAT CONNECTED BUILDING.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE ADDITIONAL NUMBER OF WALL SIGNS, I AGREE THIS IS EVERY, EVERY DEALERSHIP, YOU KNOW, WANTS TO HAVE THEIR SIGN AS MANY PLACES AS THEY CAN.
UM, I, I KIND OF GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU REMOVE ANOTHER ONE? CAN YOU GO BACK EVEN TO ALL OF THESE LOCATIONS AND HAVE IT CONSISTENT WHERE YOU DECIDE WHAT THREE LOCATIONS MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR THOSE SIGNS, UH, RATHER THAN ADDING ONE ON.
AND THEN WE'VE GOTTA AGAIN, TALK ABOUT THIS WITH THE NEXT DEALERSHIP.
UM, THE ILLUMINATION OF THE VEHICLE, UH, NOPE, NO ISSUES WITH THAT.
SEEMS LIKE THAT MAKES, MAKES SENSE, AND MAKES THOSE VISIBLE.
AND I DON'T SEE IT BEING DISRUPTIVE TO THE REST OF THE, UH, LOCATION.
SO THANK YOU MR. GARVIN, MR. WAY.
UM, I DO TAKE NOTE OF YOUR COM COMMENT THAT WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH ALL OF THE OTHER DEALERSHIPS, THERE'S, THERE'S NO LIKE, REALLY ONE SINGLE STANCE TO IT, RIGHT? THERE'S, THEY USE THAT, THIS NEW LOOK IN A MUCH, IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
IN FACT, I JUST FOUND THERE'S A BUYER VOLVO IN COLUMBUS THAT HAS A GLASS CURTAIN WALL WITH THE BLUE SQUARE ON IT.
IT'S NOT FROSTED OR, SO AGAIN, I I, I HAVE A, A PROBLEM TWO FROM TWO STANDPOINTS.
ONE IS I DON'T AGREE WITH, AGAIN, TAKING AWAY THE TRANSPARENT GLASS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SO MUCH PART OF THE, THE MAG CAMPUS, AND TO ME THAT WOULD BE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
AND, AND I ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE, THE SIGN ITSELF, THE SIZE OF THE SIGN IN THE CONTEXT OF HOW ELSE, UH, THE OTHER, UH, BRANDS ARE, ARE PRESENTED IN, IN, IN MAG, THE MAG CAMPUS.
SO I WOULDN'T SUPPORT CHANGE OF THE SIGN OR THE, THE, THE GLASS.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WHERE THAT LEAVES THE UPLIGHTING OF THE DISPLAY AREA.
I THINK, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT NECESSARILY, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE
SO AGAIN, I DON'T SUPPORT EITHER THE, THE GLASS OR THE, THE SIGNAGE.
UH, THANK YOU MR. PARISH FOR BEING HERE.
UM, AND LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS.
UM, DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE PROPOSED BUILDING MODIFICATIONS? I HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE FROSTED GLASS.
UH, THERE ARE WINDOWS ABOVE THAT WOULD STILL STAY THE SAME.
IT LOOKS, AND THEN THOSE OPEN AREAS LOOK LIKE IT'S JUST NOT COHESIVE.
YOU ALSO HAVE THE GARAGE AROUND THE SIDE TOO.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING ANYTHING WITH THOSE EITHER, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IS A CONTINUATION OF THE WHOLE BUILDING AND YOU MIGHT BE MISSING THAT.
AND THEN IT KIND OF HAS THIS PATCHWORK KIND OF FEEL THAT I DON'T THINK IS DESIRABLE FOR THE AREA.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THE WOOD FITS IN.
IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S A CONNECTION THERE TOO.
AND IT'S ALSO SOME PRODUCT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT PRODUCT.
IT HAS HAD SOME, UM, FLAWS WITH IT AS WELL TOO.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK THOSE FIT AND AS WELL AS THE, EXCUSE ME, THE ILLUMINATION, UH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT BOTHERED BY THAT AT ALL.
I THINK THAT'S HOW YOU, YOU KNOW, PUT, PUT YOUR CAR OUT AND SO FORTH AND, AND LET PEOPLE SEE IT THERE.
BUT, UM, UH, AND THEN, UM, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR MY, UH, CONCERNS.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. C CHIN.
SO I, UH, I GATHER YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED BY OUR COMMENTS, BUT I, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THIS WAS RENDERED BY VOLVO AND NOT BY YOU BECAUSE IT'S CLEAR THAT THEY RENDERED IT BASED ON THIS IMAGE THAT WE'RE SEEING, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THIS BUILDING THAN JUST THAT VIEW.
SO IT MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM JUST THAT VIEW.
BUT IF THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE MAG BUILDING WAS ABOUT, THE GLAZING IN UNIQUENESS OF THE MALLS AND THE WINDOWS AND THE ENTIRETY OF THE BUILDING, THIS MAKES NO SENSE.
AND IT'S NOT, I, I MEAN, I, NOBODY'S GONNA GET BEHIND THIS 'CAUSE IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T FIT AT ALL WITH WHAT MAGS, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A REALLY NEAT BUILDING AND IT'S, IT'S UNIQUE TO THE AREA.
AND THIS WAS DONE IN A VACUUM.
SO I, I DO A LOT OF BRANDING WORK.
WE DO IT ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WE RUN IN THIS ALL THE TIME, BUT IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.
AND ESPECIALLY HERE, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S
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FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T, THIS DOESN'T WORK.IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
AND ON THIS, THIS BUILDING TAKING AWAY THE REALLY NICE GLAZING AND THE LOOK, IT'S JUST, IT'S DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, AS WE'VE SAID.
UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, MY COMMENT ON THE VEHICLE, UPLIGHTING, I MEAN, WE, WE DO A LOT OF THINGS HERE TO MITIGATE LIGHT POLLUTION, ADDING MORE LIGHT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ADDING LIGHT.
I DON'T THINK IT PROVIDES ANYTHING.
UM, SO I, I'M NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF THAT.
IF WE, YOU KNOW, CAN'T LIGHT UP OUR STREETS, WHY ARE WE LIGHTING UP, YOU KNOW, CARS AND
SO AGAIN, I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE, THE EFFORT.
UM, BUT I, I THINK IT JUST AS, AS I KNOW YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT JUST DOESN'T, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
MR. ALEXANDER, DID YOU HAVE ONE MORE I WANTED TO ADD TO BOTH JAMIE AND KIM'S COMMENTS, BECAUSE THE VOLVO DEALERSHIP THAT KIM POINTED TO, DID YOU DO THAT ONE AND YOU DID THAT, WHAT, FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO? WAS THAT LONG AGO? BECAUSE I, I, I USED TO TAKE MY, I USED TO TAKE MY CAR THERE AND IT TOOK FOREVER TO GET IT BUILT.
WELL, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF, THERE WAS A LOT OF FLEXI.
THAT'S NOT A REFLECTION OF THE ARCHITECTS
BUT, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHY IT DIDN'T SEEM IT WAS THAT LONG AGO.
BUT MY QUESTION WAS, THERE WAS SO MUCH FLEXIBILITY AND GIVEN ON THAT ONE, UM, THAT, AND MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A NEW BRANDING CAMPAIGN.
IS THAT THE ANSWER? SO BASED ON WHAT I RECALL FROM IT, IT WAS, IF YOU DISCUSSION, IF YOU COULD TURN THE MICROPHONE, THE DISCUSSION EARLIER ON WAS THAT IT, WE WERE, WE DID IN ADDITION TO A VERY UNIQUE, UH, CAMPUS BUILDING IN, IN, IN ADDITION, THE, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS DONE IN LIKE 97 BY CARLS BERGER HERE, AND VERY UNIQUE DESIGN FOR AUTOMOTIVE, UH, SHOWCASES, RIGHT? AND SO IT, IT WAS OUR INTENT, LIKE HOW DO WE ENHANCE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AND REALLY CREATE A, A STUNNING SHOW PIECE TO THIS SORT OF, UH, CHAIN OF BEAUTIFUL SHOW SHOWROOM GALLERIES, RIGHT? AND THAT WAS REALLY THE DESIGN INTENT OF THE VOLVO.
AND IT WAS REALLY WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH STAFF ON THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE MAG CAMPUS IS ABOUT AND, AND THE TEXT AND HOW IT'S WRITTEN.
TALKS ABOUT SIGNATURE OR UNIQUE.
AND I, IT'S BEEN YEARS ACTUALLY SINCE I'VE, I'VE READ IT.
BUT THE, THE TEXT REALLY ALLOWED FOR US TO THINK CREATIVELY OUTSIDE THE BOX TO BRING THE VOLVO BRAND TO THE MAG CAMPUS.
UM, 'CAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY OVER ON LINWORTH, UM, THAT THEY MOVED IT FROM LINWORTH INTO, UH, CITY OF DUBLIN.
UH, SO I'LL BE BRIEF PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS.
I, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE TRANSPARENCY AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY HOLD UP ON THAT BUILDING MODIFICATION, UH, NOT SUPPORTIVE OF WALL SIGNS.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REALLY GENEROUS WITH WALL SIGNS.
WE ALREADY HAVE QUITE A FEW TO ADD THAT MANY MORE NOT SUPPORTIVE.
AND I ECHO, UM, MR. CHINO'S CONVERSATION ABOUT THE UPLIGHTING MAG, UH, IS ADJACENT TO SOME RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES ALSO.
AND SO DO FOR ONE, DO FOR ALL KIND OF METHODOLOGY.
I WOULD BE INCREDIBLY CAUTIOUS ABOUT ALLOWING ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTING BECAUSE WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THERE WHO LIVE THERE.
AND SO IF THEY'RE ILLUMINATED AT NIGHT, WELL THAT COMES IN WINDOWS.
AND SO THAT'S ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
AND I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS FOR MYSELF.
SO LOOKING BACK TO THE COMMISSION, THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW.
THERE'S NO ACTION TAKEN ON THIS ITEM.
ANY FINAL COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. PARISH, DO YOU SEEK ANY ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION? I DO HAVE ONE.
UH, JUST WITHIN THE UPLIGHTING YOU SAID IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN, UH, A DEVELOPMENT TAX MODIFICATION FOR THE UPLIGHTING.
SO THAT WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL IF THE MODIFICATION WOULD BE REQUIRED, JUST FOR MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HANDLED HERE.
BUT I, THE SIGNS WOULD, WOULD GO BACK TO COUNSEL.
NO, THAT IS ALL, UH, THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN GREAT.
AND I WILL REPORT BACK TO VOLVO AND SEE THE NEXT STEPS WITH THEM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY SEASON.
IT'S A LITTLE SLICK OUT THERE.
[COMMUNICATIONS]
MOVING ON.WE HAVE TWO ITEMS FOR COMMUNICATIONS THIS EVENING.
UH, MR. WAY, I THINK WE'LL FOREGO TRAINING FOR THIS EVENING.
OKAY, SO YES, WE HAVE TWO, UM, TWO THINGS TO SHARE.
UM, SO CURRENTLY YOU RECEIVE YOUR DIGITAL PACKET THROUGH ONEDRIVE.
UM, WE WILL BE STARTING YOUR SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY.
BE TRANSITIONING WITH ALL OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND CITY COUNCIL TO A DIFFERENT PLATFORM CALLED ONBOARD.
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UM, SO YOU'LL GET YOUR PACKET DELIVERY, THE DIGITAL VERSION.YOU'LL STILL GET YOUR PLANS, DON'T WORRY.
UM, BUT THE DIGITAL VERSION OF THAT, WHICH AGAIN, IS A MUCH BETTER SETUP THAN THE ONEDRIVE, UM, IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO REFERENCE THINGS AND KEYWORD SEARCH AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED, UM, SORT OF HOW TO BACK POPULATE PREVIOUS MEETING MATERIALS 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU ALL REFERENCED THAT AS WELL.
SO, UM, BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THERE'S A LITTLE 30 MINUTE TRAINING SESSION THAT YOU WILL EACH BE INVITED TO.
THERE'LL BE TWO OPTIONS AND YOU JUST NEED TO PICK ONE OF THEM.
IT IS VIRTUAL AND WE TRY TO PICK AFTER WORK AND BEFORE WORK SO THAT, 'CAUSE WE KNOW EVERYBODY HAS ANOTHER LIFE BESIDES PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
SO I WILL SEND THAT OUT, UM, TOMORROW SO THAT YOU ALL HAVE THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S THAT THURSDAY, FRIDAY THAT THE PACKET GOES OUT.
THAT WAY YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE MATERIALS IN THAT AND BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
SO IT HAS A LOT OF NICE FEATURES.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS AND HOW TO DO THIS AND REALLY JUST FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR COUNCIL.
SO THEN ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WILL BE ON THE SAME PLATFORM, WHICH WILL BE GREAT.
AND CITY COUNCIL'S GOING FIRST.
SO CITY COUNCIL, THEIRS WILL BE THEIR FIRST MEETING PACKET.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SORT OF THE GUINEA PIGS, UM, OF THIS.
AND THEN, YEAH, YOU WILL HAVE YOUR MEETING AND THEN AIRBNB ZA WILL BE THE NEXT WEEK.
SO AGAIN, AND WE WILL ALSO, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD? DUPLICATE? REPLICATE, REPLICATE, I GUESS.
YEAH, LIKE OUR, WE'LL KEEP THE ONEDRIVE AND THE ONBOARD FOR THE FIRST MEETING JUST SO THAT THERE'S REDUNDANCY, THAT'S THE WORD.
UM, TO KEEP BOTH OPTIONS IN CASE THERE ARE ANY ISSUES OR YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. THAT WAY YOU CAN GET YOUR MATERIAL.
SO, UM, SO THAT, LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONCE YOU DO THE TRAINING OR BEFOREHAND.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE, LIKE A GOOD, GOOD SWITCH FOR ALL OF US.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING IS MEETING DATES, UM, WHICH WE INCLUDED, WE PROVIDED TO THEM TO YOU, UM, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO TO LOOK AT.
WE HAVE HEARD FROM A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT ONE MEETING OR ANOTHER DOESN'T WORK.
UM, IN SOME INSTANCES WE POTENTIALLY COULD ACCOMMODATE IT, BUT IT IS ULTIMATELY ONLY A SINGLE PERSON THAT'S GONNA BE ABSENT.
SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES.
SO IF YOU REACHED OUT AND SAID YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT MEETING, YOU MAY JUST UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO MISS THAT MEETING.
'CAUSE WITH ALL THE CALENDAR DATES AND SCHEDULES, IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIND ANOTHER TIME.
AND FOR THE TWO THAT WE POTENTIALLY COULD, THEN I THINK IT CREATES OTHER, OTHER PROBLEMS. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GONNA STICK WITH WHAT'S PROPOSED, IF THAT WORKS FOR THE MAJORITY OF YOU.
AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS REVISIT AS WE DO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OR GO FROM THERE.
SO, SO WITH THAT, I'LL LET REBECCA HANDLE THE MOTION.
OF A, UM, BEFORE I DO THAT, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THEN THAT WE BRING BACK MEETING DATES FOR APPROVAL THE NEXT TIME APRIL, THE 17TH MEETING, AND THE FOLLOWING, THE AUGUST, THE SEVENTH MEETING.
THAT ESSENTIALLY GIVES US FOUR MONTHS AT A TIME.
I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO KNOWS THEIR SCHEDULE DOWN TO A THURSDAY NIGHT, 12 MONTHS IN ADVANCE.
BUT THAT'S FOUR MONTHS AT A TIME.
AND OF COURSE, IF YOU HAVE TO MISS A MEETING, CITY COUNCIL IS SOMEWHAT FORGIVING, UH, MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE.
THEY TEND TO GET A LITTLE, UM, TESTY.
BUT
SO THAT SOUND REASONABLE? ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE 2025 AND BEGINNING 20, 26 DATES AS WE HAVE THEM IN OUR PACKET.
ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS? SORRY, I KNOW IT'S LATE.
UH, SO NEW BRICK CAME UP TODAY, LIKE A NEW, THIS NEW MATERIAL CAME UP.
HOW DOES THAT AFFECT US?
SO THEREFORE, IF ANY APPLICATION WERE TO COME FORWARD WITH THIS MATERIAL, IT WOULD COME FORWARD AS A NON-APPROVED MATERIAL WITH A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CONSULTANT, HAVING ALREADY REVIEWED IT, BECAUSE STAFF KNOWS WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT BEFORE.
THE COMMISSION WOULD THEN HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DELIBERATE ON THAT, TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OR REQUESTS
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BASED ON THE MATERIALITY OF NOT JUST THE MATERIAL, BUT THE USE OF THE MATERIAL, THE SCALE OF THE MATERIAL, THE SCOPE OF FROM THE MATERIAL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.YEAH, WE JUST PROVIDE THAT EXTRA ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, UM, TO HELP SUPPORT THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT OUR EXPERTISE, BUT YOU ALL POTENTIALLY MIGHT HAVE EXPERTISE IN THE MATERIAL, SO THAT HELPS.
SO THE, THE CODE IS, IT'S INCLUSIVE, NOT EXCLUSIVE.
AND SO ESSENTIALLY IF THEY COME FORWARD AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE USED KIND OF THE JOKING EXAMPLE OF SOLAR WINDOWS IN PREVIOUS COMMISSION MEETINGS.
IF THEY COME FORWARD, JUST BECAUSE THEY COME FORWARD WITH A NEW MATERIAL DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE NEED TO ADOPT THAT.
IT HAS TO BE INCLUSIVE OF AND BE, AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR, OR THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION, BECAUSE IT'S UNDER THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, YOU WOULDN'T BE SEEING ANYTHING OR BEING ASKED TO, YOU WOULDN'T BE ASKED TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON THE MATERIALS UNTIL FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO WHEREAS IF IT WERE A PUD, UM, YOU'D BE MAKING THAT DECISION DEVELOPMENT, TEXT DECISION, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, DEVELOPMENT TEXT, AND I GUESS ALSO JUST TO BEAT THE DEAD HORSE IN THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, IT BEING USED IN A SIMILAR CLIMATE.
SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CRITERIA TO LOOK AT FOR THIS, RIGHT? AND IT'S NOT JUST, OH, THIS IS A NEW PRODUCT AND WE SHOULD USE THAT.
SO WE REALLY TRY TO MAKE SURE CONTEXTUALLY IT MAKES SENSE AND IN OUR, IN OUR ALIGNMENT TOO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? GRIPES, MOANS, COMPLIMENTS FOR STAFF? MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HOLIDAYS.
ALL RIGHT, MR. WE, THIS IS 2024, RIGHT? YEAH.