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          [CALL TO ORDER]
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD MEETING, UM, WHERE THE MEETING'S BEING HELD AT 5 5 5 PERIMETER DRIVE. 
          THE MEETING CAN ALSO BE ACCESSED VIA LIVESTREAM VIDEO RECORDED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CASES. 
          THE MEETING PROCEDURE FOR EACH CASE THIS EVENING WILL BEGIN WITH A STAFF PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION IF DESIRED. 
          THE APPLICANT MAY PRESENT FIRST. 
          THE BOARD WILL THEN ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE DE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE, ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD TO THE DAIS. 
          FOR EACH APPLICATION, BE SURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS. 
          AND BEFORE WE START THE MEETINGS, UH, WE WILL START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          IF EVERYONE COULD STAND P FIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          JUDY, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL MR. JEWEL HERE. 
          MS. PAT MCDANIEL? I'M SORRY. 
          WAS THAT NO, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SEATS. 
          SEATS, YEAH. 
          GOING UP AND DOWN FOR US. 
          SHORT PEOPLE. 
          MS. COOPER? HERE. 
          MS. DAMER? HERE. 
          MR. KOTTER HERE. 
          [ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
OKAY. 
          UM, I WILL MOVE TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS IN THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE A RB ME MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2024. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND CALL THE ROLL. 
          MS. DAMER? YES. 
          MS. COOPER? YES. 
          MS. PAT MCDANIEL? YES. 
          MR. JEWEL? YES. 
          MR. KOTTER? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          CASE PROCEDURES. 
          SO THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REVIEW AND CONS REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION AND MODIFICATIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO ANY SITE IN THE AREA SUBJECT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL SUBJECT TO ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW UNDER THE PROVISION OF THE ZONING CODE SECTION 1 5 3 0.170. 
          THE BOARD HAS A DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY ON THESE CASES. 
          ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THE CASES THIS EVENING MUST BE SWORN IN. 
          UH, SO ANYBODY ON ITS, COULD THEY PLEASE RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE FORMATIVE? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? YES. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK 
          [Case #24-081MPR]
YOU. 
          OKAY, LET'S JUMP IN. 
          UH, FIRST CASE, UH, NUMBER, UH, 24 DASH 0 8 1 MPR ONE 12 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET, A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW PROPOSAL FOR MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON A VACANT LOCK IN HISTORIC DUBLIN. 
          THE 0.26 ACRE SITE IS ZONED, UH, HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IS LO LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF PENNY HILL LANE AND SOUTH RIVERVIEW MARTY. 
          THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS. 
          TONIGHT WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR MODIFICATION TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED MINOR PROJECT. 
          THE PROPERTIES OUTLINED HERE BY A SOLID YELLOW LINE AND A OWN HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL. 
          IT IS SITUATED ON THE WESTERN BANK OF THE SCIOTO RIVER, WHICH IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET AND PENNY HILL LANE. 
          THE 0.26 ACRES LOT WAS CREATED IN 2021 WHEN A SINGLE LOT WAS DIVIDED INTO THE TWO. 
          THE OTHER LOT IS SHOWN HERE IN THE DOT YELLOW LINE. 
          THE PHOTOS HERE SHOW THE EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS. 
          THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT GREAT CHANGE FROM WEST TO THE EAST AND THE FLOODPLAIN IS ON THE EASTERN HALF OF THE LOT AT THE AUGUST A RB MEETING. 
          EARLY THIS YEAR, BOARD EXPRESSED CONCERNS WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES AND MODIFICATION TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED JULY, 2023 MPR AND TABLED THE CASE. 
          TONIGHT'S REQUEST ADDRESSES THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WAS LISTED AT THE JULY, 2023 A RB APPROVAL, AND ADDITIONALLY, APPLICANT IS REQUESTING SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED APPROVAL. 
          TO BEGIN WITH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO USE, UM, TO REVERSE THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A EIGHT FOOT SETBACK ON THE NORTH SIDE AND A FOUR FOOT SIX INCH SETBACK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND THIS IS TO CREATE A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES, WHICH IS TOWARDS THE NORTH SIDE. 
          THE SETBACK REQUIRE REQUIREMENTS CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THIS CHANGE TO ENSURE THAT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS WITHIN THE MAXIMUM 
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PERMITTED. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS REDUCED THE GARAGE DEPTH. 
          THIS WAS INCLUDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, AND NOW THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS UNDER 25% TO MEET THIS REQUEST. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO REDUCED THE TEXT SIZES, WHICH WERE AT THE REAR. 
          UM, THE REDUCED PORTION IS SHOWN IN THE GREEN LINE AS A PART OF SECOND REQUEST. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO ADD A STAIRCASE ADDITION FROM THE BASEMENT LEVEL TO PROVIDE THE ACCESS TO THE REAR OF THE SITE. 
          APPLICANT ALSO PROPOSES CHANGES TO ALL THE FOUR FACADES. 
          SOME OF THESE CHANGES ARE MATERIAL CHANGES WHILE SOME OF THE MODIFICATIONS ARE ACTUALLY TO THE APPROVED ELEVATIONS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. 
          APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FRONT DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS TO A SINGLE FRONT DOOR WITH A TRANSFORM LIGHT ALONG WITH HARDI BOARD PANELS ON EITHER SIDE AND ALONG WITH THE LIGHT FIXTURE AS AS WELL. 
          THIS REQUEST IS IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE. 
          WE CAN SEE HERE BOTH THE JULY, 2023 APPROVED ELEVATION AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED ELEVATION. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS REDUCED THE BIRTH OF THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH DECK TO MEET THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT REQUIREMENT AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN AND ALSO PROPOSES TO CHANGE THE WINDOW AND DOOR SIZES ON ALL THE ELEVATIONS OF THE REAR ELEVATION. 
          THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE DUE TO THE REDUCED EXCISES AND ALSO TO ALLOW ACCESS FROM THE BASEMENT AND TO ACCOMMODATE SOME INTERNAL LAYOUT CHANGES. 
          THIS REQUEST IS IN LINE WITH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED APPLICATION AND DOES NOT IMPACT THE OVERALL WINDOW ARRANGEMENT AND STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES AT THE MIDDLE PAY. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS MADE SOME INTERNAL LAYOUT CHANGES AND PROPOSES AN INOPERABLE WINDOW AT THE CENTER, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN BLUE ON THE NORTH DECK. 
          ON THE FAR RIGHT FAR RIGHT AT THE BASEMENT LEVEL, WE CAN SEE THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL DOOR AT THE BOTTOM. 
          THIS IS TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE UNFINISHED BASEMENT AREA. 
          INSURING DOES HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THIS DOOR AND APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS AT THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE. 
          THIS IS INCLUDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION OR THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION. 
          AGAIN, TO MEET THE PREVIOUS CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THE APPLICANT HAS EXTENDED THE STONE FOUNDATION, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN BUBBLE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. 
          AND APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING TO ADD A STAIRCASE WHICH WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE. 
          THIS IS TO PROVIDE THE ACCESS AND STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE STAIRCASE EDITION. 
          IT IS TO BE NOTED THAT THE RAILING WILL MATCH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED RAILING. 
          THIS IS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION. 
          THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REMOVE THE LOWER LEVEL WINDOW, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE IN THE BUBBLE, AND THIS IS DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION LIMITATIONS AND STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST. 
          ALSO, INSTEAD OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DOORS AND WINDOWS OPENINGS OF THE DECK, THE APPLICANT NOW PROPOSES A FOUR BI PARTING SLIDING PANELS ON BOTH THE FLOORS. 
          STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH THESE REQUESTS AND STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE BI PARTING SLIDERS DUE TO LIMITED PUBLIC VISIBILITY AND IT'S CLOSED MATCHED TO THE AMOUNT OF WINDOWS OPENING WITH THE PREVIOUS EVALUATION. 
          MR. HERE ARE THE MATERIALS TO MEET THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL WITH THE JULY, 2023. 
          A RB APPROVAL STAFF IS NOW PRO, UH, SORRY. 
          THE APPLICANT IS NOW PROPOSING SIERRA PACIFIC ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS AND BI PARTING SLIDING DOORS AND ALL THE OTHER DOORS EXCEPT THE FRONT DOOR, THE DOORS AND THE WINDOWS ARE IN. 
          SHERWIN WILLIAMS SHOWED YOU WHY THE SAMPLE OF THE WINDOWS WERE PRESENTED AT THE LAST JRB MEETING. 
          STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE SELECTION AND THE PROPOSED WINDOWS MEETS THE CODE AND WILL NOT REQUIRE A WAIVER. 
          THE APPLICANT REQUESTS TO CHANGE THE DOUBLE FRONT DOOR FROM THERMA TO DOUBLE CROSS DOOR TO THERMA TO CLASSIC CR FOR GREEN FIBERGLASS DOOR IN, IN A CAVIAR COLOR. 
          STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST. 
          THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO USE EIGHT INCH BY 18 INCH FOREST TAIL OUTDOOR CO LIGHTS WITH CLEAR SEATED LIGHT GLOSS WITHIN A BLACK FRAME. 
          THIS IS AT THE FRONT DOOR AND AT THE FULL LOCATIONS AT THE REAR. 
          THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TAMCO HERITAGE ASPHALT SHINGLES TO CERTAIN TEED LANDMARK SHINGLES IN A WEATHERED WOOD COLOR. 
          AND THE PROPOSED STAKE IS WILL BE A TIMBER TECH IN SANDY BIRCH COLOR TO MATCH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TINGER TECH RAILING ON THE DECKS. 
          STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF ALL THE PROPOSED MATERIAL CHANGES. 
          LISTED HERE IS THE WAIVER REVIEW CRITERIA FOR FIBER CLASS TOOL. 
          MOST OF 
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MOST OF THESE CRITERIA ARE EITHER MET OR NOT APPLICABLE. 
          LISTED HERE ARE THE WAIVER REVIEW CRITERIA FOR COMPOSITE DECK. 
          MOST OF THESE CRITERIA ARE EITHER MET OR THEY'RE NOT APPLICABLE LISTED HERE ARE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW CRITERIA. 
          THESE CRITERIA EITHER MET WITH CONDITION AND WAIVER, OR THEY'RE NOT APPLICABLE WITH THIS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF BOTH THE WAIVERS, WHICH IS A TIMBER TEXT STAIRCASE WAIVER AND THE FIBERGLASS DOOR WAIVER. 
          AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW WITH FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE BASEMENT ACCESS TO DETAILS AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT. 
          WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WE HAVE APPLICANT IN ATTENDANCE TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING CLARIFYING ON THAT SIDE? MIKE? YOU GOOD? GOOD. 
          APPLICANT, UH, WANT TO COME UP AND AND HAVE ANY COMMENTS AND JUST, UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. 
          UH, DAVID JOHNSON, 89 65 CO DRIVE. 
          ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? UM, THE ONLY THING THAT THE BOARD NOTICED IN LAST TIME WE WERE UP HERE, WE ENDED UP CHANGING THE SIDE YARD. 
          WE KIND OF FLIPPED THEM AFTER WE, UM, MET THE EXCAVATOR ON THE LOT AND HE DID KIND OF A TEST TRENCH, SEE WHERE OUR BEDROCK WAS AND EVERYTHING. 
          AND HE, HE JUST FELT THE FARTHER WE COULD GET AWAY FROM THAT, THAT NEW HOUSE, LESS IMPACT WE WOULD HAVE WHEN WE WERE DIGGING OUR FOUNDATIONS AND STUFF. 
          SO THAT IT JUST KIND OF A HINDSIGHT 2020 KIND OF THING. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS THERE? NO. 
          GOOD. 
          UH, MAYBE AMONGST OURSELVES, UH, ANY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ISSUES WITH EITHER ONE OF THE WAIVERS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE AND I THINK IT'S RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          ANYBODY, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE LAST TIME WHERE THEY'VE, ANY MOVEMENTS THERE? I I THINK EVERYTHING LOOKS MORE OR LESS AS WE HAD IT KIND OF ORIGINALLY. 
          AND I THINK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO STREAMLINE FROM THE LAST UH YES. 
          MEETS THE INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          YEAH. 
          WE TRY TO SIMPLIFY THE WINDOWS AND GET IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL EXACTLY. 
          APPROVED APPROVED APPLICATION. 
          YEP. 
          HERE GO. 
          AND WE'RE BACK TO THE LOT COVERAGE THAT WE EXACTLY WANTED TO GET TO, I THINK FROM THAT STANDPOINT. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS? NOPE. 
          JUST FROM THE APPLICANT FOR YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE ONE CONDITION? SO LOOKING AT THAT, UH, BASEMENT AT EGRESS INGRESS, EGRESS DOOR TRUCK. 
          YEAH, WE JUST NEED IT AWAY 'CAUSE IT'S SO OVER A CERTAIN HEIGHT WE HAVE A HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO GET IN YEP. 
          TO, YOU KNOW, ACCESS THAT AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST WHEN YOU GET THE BUILDING PERMIT AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE THE DOOR SPECD OUT AND THERE, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          YEP. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY MOTIONS FOR THE ON THE OH, SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE TWO, UH, WE HAVE TWO WAIVERS PLUS THE BINDER PROJECT REVIEWS. 
          ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE SOME, UH, MAKE, UH, MOTIONS ON THE, ON THE, UH, TWO WAIVERS I MOVE. 
          WE APPROVE A WAIVER FOR THE USE OF THE TIMBER TECH STAIRS. 
          SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          MS. DAMER? YES. 
          MS. COOPER? YES. 
          MS. PAT MCDANIEL? YES. 
          MR. JUUL? YES. 
          MR. COTTER? YES. 
          AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO APPROVE A WAIVER FOR THE USE OF THE FIBERGLASS DOORS. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          MS. MR. JEWEL? YES. 
          MS. COOPER? YES. 
          MS. PAT MCDA? YES. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND NOW WE HAVE A THIRD MOTION FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT REVIEW. 
          OVERALL PROJECT, UH, PROJECT. 
          I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW WITH THE ONE CONDITION. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          MS. PAT MCDANIEL? YES. 
          MS. COOPER? YES. 
          MS. DAMER? YES. 
          YES. 
          MR. COTTER? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [Case #24-134DEMO]
OKAY. 
          SECOND CASE, UH, NUMBER, UH, 24 1 3 4 DEMO 83 SOUTH RIVER STREET. 
          UH, AND THIS IS FOR A DEMOLITION, UH, WAIVER, RERE WAIVER REQUEST TO RECLASSIFY AN ENCLOSED PORCH AS BACKGROUND STRUCTURE AND PROPOSAL FOR DEMO DEMOLITION OF THAT STRUCTURE. 
          THE 0.25 ACRE UH, SITE IS ZONED HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF E UH, E HILL LANE IN SOUTH RIVERVIEW. 
          MS. HOLT. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          AND GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          THE LOCATION OF THIS PROJECT IS ON SOUTH RIVERVIEW AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EBERLY HILL SOUTH BLACKSMITH 
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AND PENNY HILL LANES. 
          IT'S ZONED HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL. 
          THIS IS THE ALLIYA CELLS HOUSE. 
          I HOPE I AM PRONOUNCING THAT CORRECTLY. 
          AND IT WAS BUILT IN 1824. 
          IT'S A FEDERAL STYLE STRUCTURE MADE OF NATIVE STONE WITH A STANDING SEAM ROOF. 
          THE SUBJECT OF THIS REQUEST IS A 1930S CONCRETE MASONRY UNIT ADDITION IN THE BACK THAT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          IT'S BEEN IN THE SAME FAMILY SINCE 1970 AND THE ENTIRE SITE IS NOTED AS LANDMARK IN THE MAP FOR THE GUIDELINES. 
          HOWEVER, THE GARAGE WAS RECLASSIFIED IN 2023. 
          IT IS ALSO BUILT OUT OF THE SAME CMU POSSIBLY AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO THE SUBJECT PORCH WAS ADDED IN THE 1930S. 
          IT AGAIN, IS BUILT OF CMU AND STEEL WINDOWS AND ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, IT HAS LEAKS AND IT'S FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE. 
          THE OWNER'S DESIRE TO PUT A NEW ADDITION IN THAT SAME LOCATION TO MINIMIZE LOT COVERAGE IMPACTS. 
          THEY KNOW THAT THIS WILL REQUIRE A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW AND APPROVAL BEFORE THIS BOARD. 
          THEY ALSO WISH TO HEAR THE BOARD'S DETERMINATION ON THIS REQUEST BEFORE THEY SPEND THE MONEY FOR AN ARCHITECT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. 
          AND KIND OF TWO STAGES. 
          THESE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT ADDITION. 
          UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AREA IN WHITE ONLY ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE PLUS THE CHIMNEY AS NOTED. 
          AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE MATERIALS AND THE CHARACTER OF THAT ADDITION. 
          SO THE WAIVER IS TO RECLASSIFY TO BACKGROUND. 
          JUST THIS ADDITION PART. 
          THE CRITERIA IS MOSTLY MET OR NOT APPLICABLE. 
          AND LET ME PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THAT. 
          NUMBER FOUR IS NOT MET BECAUSE THIS IS THE MOST CONVENIENT WAY TO APPROACH THE REQUEST. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE OWNER WISHES TO GET YOUR RULING ON THIS BEFORE SPENDING DOLLARS ON AN ARCHITECT. 
          NUMBER FIVE IS NOT APPLICABLE AT THIS TIME BECAUSE WE CANNOT KNOW WHAT THE REPLACEMENT ADDITION WILL BE. 
          HOWEVER, SINCE IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE MINOR PROJECT PROCESS, WE ARE ASSURED THAT WITH AN APPROVAL IT WILL HAVE CERTAIN CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE. 
          SO SHOULD THE BOARD APPROVE THE WAIVER TO RECLASSIFY JUST THE ADDITION AS BACKGROUND, THEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT DEMOLITION OF A BACKGROUND STRUCTURE OR PORTION OF A STRUCTURE OUT OF THAT CRITERIA. 
          ONE OF THREE NEED TO BE MET TO EARN APPROVAL AND STAFF FINDS THAT TWO ARE MET WITH THAT WAIVER AND THE DESCRIPTION IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE CONDITIONS. 
          THEREFORE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO THE WAIVER TO RECLASSIFY JUST THE ADDITION IN THE CHIMNEY. 
          I CAN'T EMPHASIZE THAT ENOUGH. 
          AND APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION WITH CONDITIONS. 
          AND JUST TO PARAPHRASE THOSE, NO DEMOLITION WILL OCCUR, UM, UNTIL THE BUILDING PERMIT IS APPROVED. 
          POST MINOR PROJECT REVIEW IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD HAND TOOLS WILL BE USED FOR DEMOLITION AGAINST THE STILL LANDMARK STRUCTURE AND GUTTER AND ROOF REPAIRS WILL EITHER MATCH THE EXISTING OR BE APPROVED THROUGH THAT MPR PROCESS BEFORE YOU ALL. 
          AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AND AS OF A COUPLE MOMENTS AGO, AND RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          GOOD, THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY CLEAR? YEAH. 
          UM, SIR, WITH US NOT HAVING THE ABILITY TO GET INSIDE AND SEE THAT CHIMNEY, WHERE'S THAT FEED INTO THE ADDITION THAT THERE, 'CAUSE I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NOTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE INTO THE HOUSE. 
          THERE'S NO FIREPLACE IN THAT AREA. 
          'CAUSE THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT WITH FIREPLACES ON BOTH ENDS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I AM SURE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AND HE CAN ADDRESS THAT FOR YOU. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
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AT THE BASE THERE. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          UM, JEFF HAM, 83 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET. 
          UH, AS FAR AS THE, THAT CHIMNEY, IT WAS, UH, ORIGINALLY USED AS THE UM, LIKE A STACK FOR A, UH, OIL FURNACE THAT WAS IN THE BASEMENT. 
          AND SO IT DOESN'T GO INTO A FIREPLACE OR ANYTHING. 
          IT HAS A PIPE, UH, KIND OF THING THAT'S BLOCKED OFF THAT GOES INTO THE BASEMENT RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH, I MEAN THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I COULDN'T SEE. 
          SO MY ASSUMPTION WAS BECAUSE THE WAY THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, THE FIREPLACES WERE YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAVE THREE FIREPLACES WITH CHIMNEYS. 
          YEAH. 
          ON THE THREE CORNERS OF THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MAYBE JUST ONE MORE SARAH FOR BOTH. 
          SO, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, SO HOWEVER WE DEMO AND THEN WHAT THE NEXT EVOLUTION OF THIS WOULD BE DURING THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW, THEN IF PART OF THE EXISTING THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IS NOW SHOWING AND DURING A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW, THAT WOULD BE WHERE WE'D ENSURE THAT IT COMES BACK TO IT. 
          ITS HISTORIC NATURE. 
          SO IT'LL SIT INSIDE THAT NEXT IN MINOR PROJECT REVIEW TO ENSURE THAT SOMETHING COMES UP THAT WILL, IT WILL BE AS IT, UH, AS WE DEEM IN THE, IN THE, IN THE REVIEW. 
          SO ANYTHING THAT MAY BE RE-EXPOSED AND NOT PUT UNDERCOVER OF THE NEXT EVOLUTION'S WILL SIT WITH THE MATTER DEPARTMENT REVIEW. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I DID WANNA BRING UP ONE MORE THING. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE, UH, DEMOLITION NOT OCCURRING UNTIL, UH, I, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT CHIMNEY. 
          UH, JUST RECENTLY HAD, UM, THE TOP COURSE OF BRICKS HAS, UH, COME OFF ONTO, YOU KNOW, OTHER PARTS OF THE ROOF. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE KIND OF PERMISSION TO, UH, IT'S SEPARATING FROM THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW AND IT'S LEANING, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BRING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT JUST TO KIND OF MAKE IT MORE SAFE. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THAT, MR. CHAIR, I CAN VOUCH FOR THAT 'CAUSE I STARE AT IT EVERY DAY. 
            DID. 
          CAN I JUST HAVE IT ON THE RECORD TO STAFF APPROVE OF THAT OR WE WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. 
          CERTAINLY IF IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE MM-HMM. 
          AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS, WE COULD AMEND THAT CONDITION RIGHT QUICK. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          YES. 
          I THINK IF WE HAVE A LIFE SAFETY OR A PER DEFINITELY PROPERTY SAFETY ISSUE, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THE OWNER SOME LEEWAY TO, UH, MAKE IT SAFE. 
          COULD I ASK YOU HOW THE ADDITION CONNECTS TO THE ORIGINAL BUILDING? YEAH. 
          UM, HOW IS IT ATTACHED AND IS THERE A PASSAGEWAY FROM THE OLD BUILDING TO THE NEW OR IT'S NOT SO NEW? THE 1930 SECTION ? YEAH. 
          UH, SO ORIGINALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN LIKE ABOUT FOUR STAGES. 
          BUT ORIGINALLY WHAT HAPPENED FROM THE FRONT END TO THE KITCHEN WING, WHICH IS THE STONE PART IN THE BACK, UH, IT ORIGINALLY JUST, THERE WAS A DOORWAY THAT WENT RIGHT THROUGH THERE. 
          THAT WAS, UH, WHEN THEY BUILT THAT ADDITION, THEY COVERED THAT OVER AND RE WALLED THAT. 
          AND SO NOW THERE'S ACTUALLY AN ENTRANCEWAY THAT SORT OF GOES THROUGH THAT PORCH FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK, WHICH IS KIND OF WHY, I MEAN, WE CAN'T REALLY REMOVE IT WITHOUT REBUILDING SOMETHING BECAUSE, UH, FUNCTIONALLY RIGHT NOW YOU NEED IT FOR THE HOUSE. 
          UH, SO YEAH, THERE IS A WALKWAY THAT GOES FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THROUGH THAT PORCH TO THE KITCHEN AREA. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY CONNECTED THROUGH THE ORIGINAL WALLS. 
          THERE'S NOTHING, UM, I DON'T, THERE'S NO DOORWAY FROM THAT YOU CAN PASS FROM ONE TO THE OTHER DIRECTLY WITHOUT GOING OUTSIDE. 
          OH. 
          OH, NO, NO. 
          IT'S INTERIOR. 
          OH, IT'S INTERIOR, GOT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IN THE ADDITION. 
          IT USED TO BE IN THE OTHER PART OF THE HOUSE, BUT THEY BUILT STAIRS AND I MEAN GOT IT. 
          IT'S KIND OF COMPLICATED TO EXPLAIN, BUT YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO, AND SO WE WOULD NEED A NEW ADDITION RIGHT. 
          TO GET FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. 
          GOT IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD POINT TOO. 
          IN FUTURE CASES WHEN WE GET, WE CAN'T REALLY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON INTERNALLY, MAYBE HAVE SOME SNAP, YOU KNOW, PICTURES TO HELP US ENVISION THAT. 
          I MEAN, I WALKED THE PROPERTY, I KNOW WHERE IT'S AT. 
          IT'S JUST WE CAN'T SEE THAT. 
          SO IT'D BE NICE THAT MAYBE IN FUTURE CASES IF WE HAVE A CASE WHERE WE CAN'T GET INSIDE AND IT'S NOT A NEW BUILD. 
          UH, BUT WE'LL SEE NOW WHEN YOU EVENTUALLY PUT A NEW ADDITION ON THE BACK, WE'LL SEE THAT. 
          SO THANKS. 
          IT MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT BE EASIER TOO IF WE WERE, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE PICTURES OF THE HOUSE TOO, YOU CAN SORT OF SEE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE, UH, CINDER BLOCK IS JUST KIND OF NOT EVEN REALLY, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE SITTING NEXT TO THE HOUSE IN A WAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THAT'S WHY I WONDERED WHERE THE CONNECTION YEAH. 
          WHERE THE PASS THROUGH WAS. 
          BUT CERTAINLY WE'LL GET ALL THE DETAILS WHEN YOU DECIDE HOW YOU WANNA DO THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO 
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WE'LL GET, WE GET A LOT MORE, DO WE GOT A LOT MORE TO, A LOT MORE TO COME? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NO OTHER CLARIFYING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SARAH, THAT WORKS THE CHANGES? OH, SARAH, I WOULD CLARIFY IT TO SAY EXCEPT FOR THE REPAIR OR STABILIZATION OF THE CHIMNEY, BECAUSE I, I MEAN, IF YOU, YOU READ IT LITERALLY, THEY COULD GO IN AND DEMO THE CHIMNEY AND THEN YOU'D HAVE A BIG HOLE. 
          SO I WOULD JUST SAY EXCEPT FOR, EXCEPT THAT IT SOUNDED LIKE STABILIZATION OF THE CHIMNEY. 
          HE WANTED TO TAKE AT LEAST THE TOP OF THE CHIMNEY. 
          YEAH, I, I WOULD. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA STABILIZE IT, RIGHT? HE SAID IT WOULD, HE TOOK IT DOWN A FEW FEET. 
          IT WOULDN'T FALL OVER AS OKAY. 
          AS LONG AS THE TERM STABILIZATION COVERS WHAT YOU WANNA DO. 
          SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA GET SOMEBODY IN AND RE-POINT IT AND TRY TO REATTACH IT TO THE HOUSE OR ANYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST TAKE A FEW COURSES OFF THE TOP. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T WANT YOU THE WORD STABILIZATION FOR MEANS YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING TO IT. 
          SO FOR ME, I, OR MAYBE IF YOU COULD, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE, TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO LIMIT IT TO, FOR SAFETY CONCERN. 
          TO ADDRESS SAFETY CONCERNS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I MEAN, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE COULD SAY IS LIKE, WE JUST KEEP IT ABOVE THAT ROOF LINE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE THE, IT KIND OF PENETRATES. 
          GREAT. 
          AMEND SARAH THAT WE WOULD SAY. 
          I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          OH, NEVERMIND. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S THERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YEAH, NO, THAT WORKS. 
          YEP. 
          SEE WHAT YOU ALL THINK OF THAT. 
          IS THAT OKAY MARTY? IT'S GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK, UH, FROM THE SPIRIT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT YOU, YOU TO BE SAFE, BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU LIMIT THE, WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO MAKE YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY SAFE TO THE MINIMUM. 
          YEAH. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          UNTIL THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW IS YEAH. 
          APPROVED. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER CLARIFYING STAFF OR FROM THE APPLICANT? ANYTHING? UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A, ANYTHING, ANY ISSUES WITH, UH, RECLASSIFYING THE BUILDING? THAT MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE THIS. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF WE'VE RECLASSED A HISTORIC PART OF A HISTORIC BUILDING, BUT, UH, WE'VE RECLASSIFIED. 
          YEAH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE'VE RECLASSIFIED A SHED BEHIND ONE 19 SOUTH HIGH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THIS IS FIRST TIME THAT SOMETHING'S KIND OF INTEGRAL TO THE THING THAT'S YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE? I MEAN, IT LOOKS CLEAR TO ME THAT IT IS, IT'S, IT'S OLDER, NOT IN GOOD SHAPE. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH, WITH THAT? 'CAUSE WE'LL, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING DOWN THE NEIGHBORS SOME NEW AREAS. 
          NEIGHBOR. 
          UM, AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE, THE, THE CONDITIONS LOOK, LOOK OKAY FOR EVERYBODY NOW, APPLICANT, THEN YOU, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE AS STATED HERE? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'RE, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANOTHER COMMENT. 
          GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, NO PUBLIC CALL. 
          YOU SAID NOTHING SO FAR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE A WAIVER TO RECLASSIFY THE ADDITION AND CHIMNEY AS BACKGROUND. 
          AND I'LL SECOND MR. JEWEL? YES. 
          MS. COOPER? YES. 
          MS. DAMER? YES. 
          MS. PAT MCDANIEL? YES. 
          MR. COTTER? YES. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION, UH, OF THE BACKGROUND AREA WITH THE CONDITIONS AS NOTED AND AMENDED HERE TONIGHT. 
          SECOND. 
          MR. KOTTER? YES. 
          MS. COOPER? YES. 
          MR. JEWEL? YES. 
          MS. DAMERS? YES. 
          YES. 
          MS. PAT MCDO? YES. 
          GOOD. 
          WE'LL SEE YOU SOON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO, 
          [Case #24-133FDP]
UH, LET'S SEE. 
          CASE NUMBER 3 24 1 3 3 FDP ATCH RIVER VILLAGE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE COMBINED 0.86 ACRE LOT IS ZONED HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL, AND HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC PUBLIC. 
          IT IS LOCATED ON BOTH SIDES OF NORTH RIVERVIEW, SOUTH OF NORTH STREET AND NORTH OF WING HILL LANE. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. 
          DO WE, I MEAN, ON THIS ONE, DO WE WANNA START WITH, WE WANNA START WITH THE APPLICANT ON, ON THIS ONE TONIGHT. 
          SO IF, UM, MR. UH, THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME UP AND, UH, WE'LL TRY TO, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING STEPS, UH, IN THE GOOD DIRECTION HERE. 
          SO, UM, FOR THIS ONE, MAYBE AS YOU GO THROUGH, MAYBE YOU CAN TRY TO HELP US HIGHLIGHT WHAT WAS CHANGED FROM THE LAST COUPLE. 
          AND, AND AS WE, WE DO THAT KIND OF HIGHLIGHT WHERE THAT COULD INTERACT WITH, I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE THERE NOW, KIND OF IN THE, UH, THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE THERE AND HOW, HOW YOU'RE, UM, UH, OVERCOMING THEM DURING THIS. 
          THAT WOULD HELP 
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US A LOT. 
          SURE. 
          GREAT. 
          WELL, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          MATT, MATT DAVIS, CEO OF KATCH. 
          DID I SAY MY ADDRESS? DO I TO DO THAT? NO. 
          YEAH. 
          46 20 HICKORY ROCK DRIVE, POWELL, OHIO. 
          THIS IS, UH, TIM LA UH, THE ADDRESS, 25 76 SUMMIT STREET, COLUMBUS. 
          UM, GOOD EVENING. 
          I THINK, UH, LONG AWAITED, TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO GET TO THIS POINT, SO I'M EXCITED TO HOPEFULLY, UM, GET THIS APPROVED THIS EVENING. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GONE INTO IT, SO OBVIOUSLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE WAY, PLEASE ASK. 
          WE REALLY WANT, UH, EDWARD, YOU'D BE SUPER COMFORTABLE AND EXCITED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE THIS EVENING. 
          SO, UM, I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. 
          UM, IF NOT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AREA BEFORE I MOVE ON? PRETTY GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT, COOL. 
          UM, THIS IS KIND OF A AERIAL VIEW FROM EVERYTHING. 
          I DO WANT TO NOTE JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE THAT THE STREETS, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE STILL UNDER CONSIDERATION BASED ON CITY COUNCIL'S VIEW ON MONDAY. 
          THAT MAY BE ASPHALT WITH SOME, UM, CROSSWALKS, MOST LIKELY, BASICALLY WHAT WAY IT'S HEADED THAT WOULD ACTUALLY TURN THAT PLAZA POTENTIALLY INTO A COAST. 
          SELECTION OF MATERIALS COULD TURN IT TO RED BRICK INSTEAD OF GRAY BRICK. 
          SO THE VISUAL THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE MIGHT START TO BE TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT BASED OFF OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS BY THE CITY. 
          BUT WHAT WE'RE HERE SPECIFICALLY TO TALK TONIGHT ARE OBVIOUSLY THE 62, THE RED HOUSE ON THE LEFT, THE NEW BUILD, AND THE THREE PARCELS IN THE MIDDLE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE PLAZA? UM, TIM, I WANT, I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I'LL ASK YOU TO JOIN ME AS WELL AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. 
          UM, AGAIN, UH, NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED FROM THE PLAZA ITSELF. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA TOUCH ON THIS VIEW THAT CHANGED POINTS FROM THE LAST TIME? UM, YEAH, I WOULD SAY THE DESIGN IS MOSTLY THE SAME AS WHAT WE PRESENTED IN THE DESIGN. 
          WE REALLY, UM, A LOT, JUST A LOT OF REFINEMENT AND DEFINING THE DETAILS OF, UM, A LOT OF THOSE, UM, DESIGN ELEMENTS. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, BASS AND PROBABLY WILL HAVE HAVE SOME TO, TO ADD TO IT. 
          UM, BUT UM, YEAH, IT'S, I MEAN THIS, THIS PARTICULAR VIEW, OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT THE PLAZA, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF REFINEMENT OF SOME OF THE WALL AND SOME OF THE SEATS AND, AND, UM, UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT, I WOULD SAY. 
          PRETTY GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN ALSO THE SIGN PACKAGE WE'RE BRINGING BACK LATE AT A LATER DATE, RIGHT? SO THE SIGNAGE IS KIND OF REPRESENTATIVE JUST FOR SPIRIT, BUT WE'RE GONNA BRING A WHOLE NEW SIGN PACKAGE BACK AT SOME OTHER FUTURE, FUTURE DATE. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE MATERIAL SELECTION, UH, HAS BEEN DEFINED WITH WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, FOR THE KIOSK. 
          UM, SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE, AGAIN, A LOT OF THE DETAILS, WHICH I THINK YOU'LL SEE WE'RE ABOUT 99% OF THE WAY THERE, WHICH YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT BASSAM'S GONNA BRING UP TOWARDS THE END, THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF ON DOING IT. 
          BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE IT'S REALLY GREAT WE'RE THERE, WE NEED TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP FORWARD, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO, SUCH A BIG PROJECT, IT'S HARD TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING PERFECTLY AS WE GO. 
          BUT AS FAR AS, WHY DON'T YOU DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE DID WITH THE, WITH THE EXPANSION THERE? YEAH, SO THIS IS REALLY ABOUT THE, THE RENT HOUSE WE CALL IT. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY A, A COLLABORATION BETWEEN US AND THE STAFF, UH, FOR THIS HOUSE. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, UM, THE MAIN, THE THE, THE MAJOR CHANGE REALLY IS, YOU MIGHT NOT NOTICE IT, IS THAT WE ACTUALLY TAKE OUT THE BAY WINDOW THAT WE PROPOSED LAST TIME BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE IN THAT, IN THAT SPACE. 
          SO WE KIND OF BRING IT BACK AND, AND JUST SIMPLIFY THAT. 
          AND WE ALSO, UM, REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE GABLE ON THE, ON THE ENTRY DOOR. 
          SO IT'S A, IT IS A MUCH SMALLER, UH, SCALE AND WE JUST KEEP IT THE DOOR KIND OF WHERE THEY ARE INSTEAD OF HAVING A SIDE LIGHTS AND ALL THAT. 
          SO, SO IT'S, IT AGAIN, THE OVERALL IS JUST TRYING TO BRING IT BACK TO A MORE CLOSER TO WHAT IT IS NOW, BUT, BUT WITH A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, ADD ON WITH THE, WITH THE GABLE TO, TO TO, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, TO, TO, UH, KIND OF FOCUS ON THE, ON THE ENTRIES REALLY. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN ADDITION, UM, ALSO IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD LAST TIME. 
          AGAIN, I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT IS A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL THAT WE'RE, WE ARE WORKING OUT. 
          BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE, WHAT WE DID IS THAT WE BRING OUT THE TRANSITION A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO WE ADDED ALMOST TWICE. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE MAKE THE TRANSITION, WHICH IS BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE MAIN HOUSE ABOUT TWICE AS BIG NOW IS ABOUT THREE FEET OR SO. 
          AND, UH, WITH THAT LITTLE DARK GRAY OR THE BLACK AREA THAT YOU CAN SEE AROUND, UH, THE EDGE THERE. 
          AND THEN WE, BUT WE ALSO BRING THE, UH, THE LOWER ROOF OVER SO THAT TO KIND OF MAKE IT MORE SYMMETRICAL INSTEAD OF A KIND OF LIKE A, A CUT. 
          SO, SO THOSE ARE THE, THE, THE MAIN DIFFERENT, AND YOU KNOW, WE, THERE ARE SOME CONVERSATION THAT WE ARE STILL FINALIZING THE INTERIOR LAYOUT AND THE O UH, THE OPERATION OF THE, OF THE, THE, THE BAR RESTAURANT. 
          AND SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME WINDOW THAT WE WOULD NEED 
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TO TWEAK A LITTLE BIT, UH, IN TERMS OF THE, THE LOCATION, THE OPENING. 
          SO IN THE FRONT PART OF THE EXPANSION, IT USED TO HAVE A STONE AND A, A CHIMNEY KIND OF FIREPLACE, WHICH I THINK THE STAFF AND GAVE US SOME FEEDBACK. 
          WE TOOK THAT OUT NOW. 
          BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT, THE REASON IT WAS THERE IS 'CAUSE THAT EXPANSION, WE FEEL IT'S VERY IMPORTANT OPERATIONALLY TO HAVE A WARM, COZY FIRE ON THE INSIDE. 
          SO WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT WAYS TO DO THAT ON THE INSIDE. 
          AND WE'D WORK WITH STAFF AS WE PLAN. 
          THERE'S A LOT, ONCE WE GET THIS APPROVED, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH INTERIOR OPERATIONAL DETAILS AND ALL, ALL THAT MOVEMENT. 
          BUT WE'RE WELCOME TO BRING THAT BACK TO SHOW YOU BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ANYTHING. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT WE WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY WITH WHERE IT'S AT NOW UNTIL WE GET TO THE NEXT, NEXT PHASE. 
          UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A VIEW, UH, THIS, IF YOU REMEMBER BACK THERE WAS SEVERAL ITERATION. 
          THERE WAS ACTUALLY A WALKWAY OUT, UM, SOUTH OF THE DOOR AT ONE POINT. 
          I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A MEMORY LOSS, BUT WAS PRESENTED LAST TIME VERSUS THE ONE BEFORE WHERE THE ONE BEFORE. 
          BUT WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO REMOVE THAT. 
          UH, AND WE ARE ABLE TO, 'CAUSE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TRASH REMOVAL. 
          SO WE'RE USING THIS NEW STAIRCASE IN THE DOOR DOWN BELOW. 
          SO YOU ACTUALLY EXPOSES THE WHOLE SOUTH WALL AND THE ORIGINAL STONE WORK THAT WAS THERE. 
          UM, WHICH I THINK IS OBVIOUSLY THE BEST POSSIBLE SCENARIO, UH, FOR THIS VIEW. 
          AND THEN YOU WANNA TOUCH UPON, YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE OF THIS ONE IS THAT WE ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE WE MOVED, WE, WE EXPAND THE SPACE BETWEEN THE RED HOUSE AND THE NEW BUILD, UH, UH, ABOUT 10 FEET OR SO. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE SPACE BETWEEN THEM, BUT ALSO TO ALIGN WITH THE RUIN, UH, BELOW OUR BUILDINGS BETTER, UH, WITH, WITH OUR STRUCTURAL, UH, KIND OF BAY. 
          SO THIS IS REALLY KIND OF THE RESULT OF THAT. 
          BUT, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS REALLY CLOSELY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITERATION THAT WE STILL FINALIZING A LOT OF THE DETAIL. 
          BUT THE IDEA IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST FLIGHT THAT YOU GO DOWN, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF LINE OF THE VIEW OF THE BRIDGE, OF THE LINK BRIDGE. 
          UM, SO WHEN YOU WALK DOWN, YOU ACTUALLY CAN, CAN SEE THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT IS KIND OF THE, THE IDEA. 
          AND THEN IT KIND OF TURN BACK TO THE OTHER WAY TO GO TO THE PARK. 
          IT BASICALLY, ONCE YOU GET TO THAT LANDING ON THE, ON THE MID MIDSECTION THERE, AND, AND AGAIN, PHIL DID A BEAUTIFUL JOB WITH A LOT OF THE STAIRCASE AND LANDSCAPING, BUT IT KIND OF HOVERS OVER SOME OF THE NATURAL, WE'RE REALLY TRYING, AS YOU SEE THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THE NATURAL STONE AND AND LANDSCAPE THAT'S THERE. 
          SO YOU KIND OF SEE IT ORGANIC NATURE OF IT. 
          SO I'D SAY AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE WANT PERMISSION. 
          IT'S, WE WANT IT TO BE APPROVED, BUT OBVIOUSLY AS WE GET INTO IT, WE WANNA LEAVE AS MUCH NATURAL STUFF AS YOU CAN, BUT YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MANY 3D DRAWINGS AND NATURAL STUFF. 
          THAT'S, SO WE WANNA TRY TO MAKE IT AS ORGANIC AS POSSIBLE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, AND I THINK THIS VIEW IS MY FAVORITE AND MOST IMPORTANT VIEW FOR ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT VIEWS FOR THE VILLAGE. 
          THE KIOSK IS THE FRONT OF THE VILLAGE. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY THE MAIN SHOT COMING ACROSS THE BRIDGE. 
          SO OPERATIONALLY YOU SHOULD SEE A, A VIBRANCY OF PEOPLE INTERACTING WITH THIS RED, UH, I CALL IT, WE CALL IT REDS RED CABIN, UM, FIREPLACE OUTSIDE. 
          I THINK TIM WILL DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ROOF PITCHES OF, THEY, THEY BASICALLY BROKE UP MM-HMM , THE ELEVATIONS OF THE CANOPY AND THE PERGOLA TO MAKE, UH, SORRY, NOT PERGOLA ANYMORE, ROOF, ROOFTOP, UH, WHATEVER. 
          UH, AND THEN CHANGED THE KINDA THE MASSING. 
          SO I'LL LET HIM DESCRIBE THAT A LITTLE TO YOU. 
          IT FEELS A LOT BETTER AND IT FEELS VERY NATURAL, UH, TO ME RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN THAT LOWER DECK, UH, AREA THAT THE, THE LAST VERSION OF IT. 
          WE HAVE A MUCH THICKER EXPRESSION OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE, THE EDGE OF THAT ROOF. 
          AND WE WERE ABLE TO BRING IT, YOU KNOW, MUCH KIND OF IN A MUCH MORE, UH, UH, UH, A SKINNIER PROFILE THAT IS REALLY CLOSE TO THE UPPER DECK, YOU KNOW, ROOF EXPRESSION THERE. 
          UM, AND MATT WAS SAYING ABOUT THAT SPLIT. 
          SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMON, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAD WAS THAT ORIGINALLY THIS DECK, IT'S ACTUALLY PAST THE KIND OF THE NORTH FACE OF THE RED HOUSE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A CONTINUOUS ROOF, WE KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE BREAK UP THAT, THAT ROOF, UH, TO KIND OF LOWER IT TO, TO KIND OF, TO KIND OF FIT IT BETTER WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE STRUCTURE, WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          AND ONE OF THE TRICKY PARTS OPERATIONALLY IS THAT WE WANT THERE TO BE DROP DOWN SCREENS ON THIS PATIO FOR BUGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SINCE YOU WILL BE IN THE WOODS, IT'S KIND OF, KIND OF ALL MAXED. 
          THEY DID A NICE JOB. 
          ALL THESE IDEAS WERE THE STAFF'S IDEAS TO PUSH US TO KIND OF BREAK THIS UP QUITE A BIT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE MISSING STUFF SO BASSAM'S WAY MORE DETAILED THAN US. 
          WE'LL, HE'LL, WE'LL POINT, POINT IT OUT. 
          . 
          SO THIS IS THE ATCH NEW HEADQUARTER, NEW BUILD. 
          AND PLEASE GO AHEAD AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY MAJOR CHANGES. 
          THIS ONE, HONESTLY, SINCE LAST TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF MAJOR CHANGE. 
          I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE EXTERIOR BESIDES WE ADDED A FEW BIKE RACKS IN FRONT OF IT, UM, IS THAT WE ACTUALLY ADDED A, A 
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HEADER, UH, ON, ON THE WINDOW. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY BRING IT DOWN, UH, A, A FOOT, UM, AND WE ACTUALLY CREATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT HAD A DETAIL THAT WE FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE NATURAL. 
          AND ALSO JUST FROM A DETAILING STANDPOINT, WHEN WE ARE GETTING INTO A, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SECTION OF THE BUILDING, THE WALLS MORE DETAIL, WE, WE KIND OF FEEL LIKE THAT'S A, A BETTER WAY TO, TO HANDLE THAT PARTICULAR, UM, SECTION. 
          I DON'T, AGAIN, I THINK WINDOW DETAIL IS THE ONLY THING IN THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE, MAYBE THE FRONT PLANT. 
          DID THAT CHANGE THE FRONT PLANTERS? YEAH, WE, WE HAVE TO, SO WE OBVIOUSLY WE, SO THIS PARTICULAR ELEVATION IS REALLY ABOUT, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT HISTORIC, UH, STONEWALL THAT USED TO BE ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          SO, SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD, UH, UH, TRY TO REPURPOSE SOME OF THOSE STONE AND, AND WE BASICALLY CREATE THAT, UM, IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDING, NOT IN THE SAME LOCATION, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE IT, IT, IT IS GONNA BE KIND OF PART OF THE SIDEWALKS REALLY. 
          UM, SO IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY MOVE A LITTLE BIT TO ALIGN WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. 
          AND THEN THE ROOF, I THINK, AND THEN THE ROOF A LITTLE BIT, UM, THE THE ROOF MATERIAL, THE MATERIAL YOU CHANGED? YEAH, SO, SO THE MATERIAL, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE ROOF IS THAT WE HAVE, INSTEAD OF EVERYTHING IS KIND OF STANDING SEAM, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, ON THE SOUTH KIND OF TWO SMALLER ROOF, WE ACTUALLY USE THE SANDING SEAM, A A A DARKER COLOR SANDING SEAM THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. 
          BUT THEN ON THE BIGGER GABLE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE USING A, UH, BASICALLY SOME METAL SHINGLE, UH, PRODUCT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS TO REALLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE THE ROOF IS, IS A FAIRLY SIZABLE ROOF AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. 
          SO, SO THAT PRODUCT HAS A, HAS A SHINGLE SIZE THAT IS, IS BIGGER THAN A TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, ASPHALT SHINGLE, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT WE ARE USING IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A FOOT, A 12 INCH, UH, TALL. 
          AND SO WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S A MUCH BETTER SCALE BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING AND THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A GIANT ROOF WITH THE TINY SHINGLE. 
          UM, SO THAT IS KIND OF THE, THE, THE INTENT OF THAT. 
          AND I, I BELIEVE WE SENT SOME INFORMATION TO THE STAFF ABOUT SOME OF THIS PRODUCTS BEING USED, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THIS CLIMATE. 
          YEAH, WE REMOVED, I THINK THE THING YOU REMOVED WAS THE, OR WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PARTICULARLY REMOVED FROM THE SOUTH? IT WAS LIKE A, UM, FAUX, UH, SLEIGH. 
          OH, THE, THE, YEAH, THE SLEIGH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE, WE, AT, AT SOME POINT WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, AT ONE POINT WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, A SYNTHETIC, UH, MATERIAL THAT LOOKS LIKE SLEIGH. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T QUITE QUITE WORK OUT FOR THAT ONE. 
          SO WE PULLED THAT OFF AND IT'S ALL METAL ROOFS IN DIFFERENT RIGHT. 
          CHARACTERISTICS OF METAL, RIGHT. 
          TO, TO MAKE IT LOOK A CERTAIN WAY. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE? ANY WITH THIS ONE? YEAH, SO IT'S THE SELF ONE HERE. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE, THE COMMENT LAST TIME WAS THE, THE SELF GABLE, UM, THAT THEY WANNA SEE SOME ARTICULATION. 
          SO I THINK LAST TIME YOU SEE IT'S PRETTY BLANK ON THAT SELF GABLE. 
          SO WE ADDED SOME OF THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BATTEN ON, ON THE SOUTH GABLE TO KIND OF, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, KIND OF MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT LESS PLAIN, LET'S JUST SAY. 
          AND THEY KIND OF LINE UP ACTUALLY WITH A COLUMN THAT THE POST THAT COMES DOWN, UM, ON TWO SIDES TO BEFORE YOU GET INTO THAT. 
          AND THEN YOU ALSO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, STONEWALL ALSO AT THE END THERE TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BOOKMARK THE END OF THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT LITTLE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU CALL THE, THE LITTLE PORCH THERE, THE, AT THE SOUTH END, AND THEN FURTHER YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE, THE TRASH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRASH, UH, EN CLOSE THE, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE AT THE, AT THE FAR END OF THE, OF THE SITE. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, POINT THAT OUT. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SOLUTION. 
          IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST EXPENSIVE, UH, TRASH ENCLOSURE ON THE PLANET. 
          UM, IT'S ELEVATED, IT'S ON A BEDROCK AND IT'S, BUT IT HIDES THE TRASH THE BEST WAY. 
          SO THERE'S A CHANCE AS WE WORK ON TRASH AGREEMENTS AND WITH NEIGHBORS IN THE CITY AND OTHER THINGS THAT IT WOULD GO TO OTHER PLACES, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE MOST HIDDEN, AND OTHERWISE IT'D BE AROUND THE HISTORIC HOUSES. 
          SO WE KIND OF PUT IT THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO MAYBE JUST ONE, JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT. 
          'CAUSE IN INSIDE THE CONDITIONS, ONE OF 'EM IS ABOUT HAVING THE STONE HAVING MORE STONEWALL THERE, SO I KNOW WE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          SO I KNOW THAT WILL BE, I SEE YOU HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, 15, 20 FEET, SO I KNOW THAT'S ONE CONDITION THAT WE'LL CERTAINLY THAT THEY'LL TALK ABOUT LATER, JUST TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT. 
          YEP. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL, WE, WE WILL USE AS MUCH OF THE STONE WHERE AS POSSIBLE WE PUT IT THERE. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, I THINK IT'S JUST SUCH A BIG INVENTORY PROJECT TO REMOVE IT, SEE WHAT YOU GOT, SEE WHAT'LL FIT. 
          IT IS GONNA HAVE TO BE A STAFF ON SITE, WHERE DO WE PUT IT, TYPE OF THING, EVENTUALLY, RIGHT? SO IT'S, SO LUCKILY, I, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF INTEREST. 
          THERE'LL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE HOVERING AROUND AS WE BUILD IT, SO IT SHOULD BE COVERED. 
          UM, AGAIN, THIS SHOWS THE, I THINK, BEAUTIFUL, IT STARTS TO GIVE A A, A GOOD, YEAH, GOOD FEEL FOR KIND OF 
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THE, THE TREES, THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE OF THE PARK AND HOW THIS SITS WITH IT AND THE STAIRCASE. 
          AND AS YOU ZOOM IN INTO SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING COMING DOWN. 
          AND THE, UH, KIND OF, AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, SO THE ORGANIC NATURE OF IT, AND THEY COULD CHANGE MY WORDS, BUT I THINK THIS SHOWS ALSO THE BACK PATIO, WHICH I THINK IS FAIRLY UNCHANGED. 
          THE BUILDING HAS BEEN SHIFTED, AND I DON'T, DO WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THE, KIND OF THE RUINS OR THE STUFF UNDERNEATH IT? UH, MAYBE THE NEXT ONE. 
          SEE THE NEXT ONE? YEAH, THAT ONE. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          SO AGAIN, WE, WE LEFT UNDER THE DECK A LITTLE RAW RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S ALL FAKE UNTIL WE GET IN WITH THE BEDROCK AND AMOUNT OF ROCK THAT'S THERE AND HOW IT SITS. 
          BUT I THINK WE ARE ALL IN MUTUAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND THE PARK THAT SINCE WE ARE TAKING SUCH A BIG EFFORT OF SHIFTING THE BUILDING AND HIGHLIGHTING IT, WE'LL PUT LIGHTING IN IT EVENTUALLY AND OTHER LANDSCAPING AND MAKE IT A USABLE THING, TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THE SAFETY PIECE OF IT AS FAR AS DO WE FENCE IT OFF, DO WE NOT? UM, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S IT, IT'S THERE NOW. 
          IT'LL BE RESTORED, AND THEN WE JUST GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW FUNCTIONAL WE MAKE IT AS AND WHAT'S AROUND IT AS WE GET INTO THE PROJECT. 
          UM, AND ONCE WE DEMO THE TREES AND WE GET INTO IT, IT'LL, IT'LL BE A LITTLE CLEARER FOR US TO DO THAT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA MENTION WITH THIS ONE? UH, AGAIN, I THINK THE STAIRCASE AND WHAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE IS THE PARK PLAN THAT'LL EVENTUALLY GET APPROVED IN SOME VARIATION. 
          HOW IT INTERFACES WITH THE RED HOUSE TO OUR DECK AND ALSO THE WALKWAYS AND PAST, THAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE, BUT IT DOES GIVE YOU A VERY DRAMATIC KIND OF PUBLIC WALKWAY DOWN TO THE PARK THROUGH, THROUGH THE HOUSES. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, BASSEM HAS A TON MORE DETAIL, HONESTLY, THAT WE LEFT OUT THE THREE HOUSES IN THE MIDDLE. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S BEEN, BASSEM HAS BEEN HIS PRESENTATION. 
          THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. 
          I THINK WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW SOME OF THE CHANGE POINTS. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND LET BASSEN GO THROUGH IT, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AS WE GO THROUGH IT. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANKS EVERYBODY. 
          UH, AS MATT MENTIONED, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS TO GET TO THIS POINT, AND YOU, YOU'LL BE SEEING BITS AND PIECES OF IT AGAIN AS, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED. 
          SO I'M GONNA DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TONIGHT JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF, UH, INFORMATION THAT IS HERE AND BREAKING UP UP INTO TWO COMPONENTS. 
          UH, GONNA FOCUS THE FIRST COMPONENT ON THE SAME ITEMS THAT WERE COVERED HERE, JUST, UH, WITHOUT REPEATING WHAT, UH, WAS PRESENTED TO YOU ALREADY, BUT JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS AND HOW THEY RELATE TO CODE AND THE OVERALL, UH, ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND THEN, UH, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO THE WEST SIDE WITH THE THREE HOUSES AND HAVE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME. 
          SO IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, IT HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS. 
          WE ARE AT THE FINAL FORMAL STAGE HERE WITH ONE CAVEAT IN THAT COUNCIL HAS HAD THE FIRST READING OF THE REZONING ORDINANCE. 
          THE SECOND READING IS ON THE 9TH OF DECEMBER. 
          SO ANY APPROVALS TONIGHT WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THAT REZONING. 
          THE, UH, HISTORY, YOU KNOW, SO I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT BEFORE. 
          UH, ONE THING I SHOULD MENTION IS IF THE, UH, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED, UH, YOU'LL START SEEING SOME PHYSICAL ACTIVITY. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND OTHER THINGS, BUT, UH, AS MATT HINTED AT, THERE'D BE SOME TREE CLEARING AND A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE SO THAT YOU CAN START TO REALLY GET THE FEEL FOR THE SPACE AND HOW YOU, YOU ENTER IT. 
          AND THAT WILL BE COORDINATED WITH THE, UH, PARKS, UH, DESIGN SO THAT THE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE THAT YOU'LL START SEEING WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME ONE OF THE PATHS THROUGH THE PARKS. 
          UH, AND IT'S THE SAME CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE AS THE ONE USED FOR THE BRIDGE EARLIER. 
          SO IT'S TRYING TO AVOID AS MANY TREES AND FOLLOW THE GENTLEST GRADE POSSIBLE. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF ACTIVITY A LITTLE BIT OFF OF THE SITE, BUT IT'S ALL WITH THAT PURPOSE IN MIND. 
          THE, UH, WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT JUST AGAIN, ACKNOWLEDGING CODE AND, AND CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WITH, UH, THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, SAME ONES MOSTLY THAT WE POINTED OUT AT THE PRELIMINARY DEPARTMENT PLAN LEVEL. 
          SOME OF 'EM ALREADY EXIST LIKE 37, UH, NORTH RIVERVIEW 62 NORTH RIVERVIEW, THEY, THEY ALL HAVE BITS AND PIECES THAT ARE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO I'M JUST HIGHLIGHTING THOSE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE THIS MECHANISM FOR AN ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT THAT WILL BE DONE SEPARATELY FROM THIS BOARD. 
          UH, SO WHY THEY, THE SETBACK IS MINUS SOMETHING, BUT THAT'S HOW IT GETS, UH, HANDLED. 
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UH, THERE WILL BE, UH, ONE OF THE WAIVERS THAT YOU'D BE ASKED TO APPROVE TONIGHT IS A SETBACK WAIVER FOR A NEW SHED BEHIND 53, UM, NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE IN A MINUTE, BUT TRY TO COVER, AGAIN, THE CODE REQUIREMENTS HERE. 
          THE, UH, SIDE YARD SETBACK AND THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IN THE HISTORIC CORE, WHICH WILL BE THE ZONING. 
          IF COUNCIL APPROVES IT, IS ZERO, THE REAR YARD SETBACK IS FIVE FEET, AND THE SHED IS WITHIN FOUR FEET OF THAT SETBACK. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S RIGHT AT THE 20% THRESHOLD WHERE THIS BOARD IS, HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT WAIVERS. 
          AND WE THINK THAT THAT'S, UH, UH, LEGITIMATE REQUESTS HERE. 
          THE, UH, SHED IS NEEDED TO SUPPORT SOME OF THE OTHER USES THAT ARE ENVISIONED AT THIS SITE, AND IT REPLACES A MUCH LARGER GARAGE THAT ACTUALLY USED TO ENCROACH INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO HAVING IT FOUR FEET OFF OF THE NEW RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS EVEN A LITTLE FURTHER BACK, UH, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE. 
          AS PART OF THE, UH, APPROVAL, YOU, YOU HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, OVERALL LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN. 
          SO WITHIN THE PROJECT SIDE, THERE WILL BE VERY FEW TREES THAT COULD BE PRESERVED. 
          SOME OF 'EM ARE IN NOT THE GREATEST SHAPE. 
          SOME OF 'EM, UH, MANY ARE IN THE WAY OF THE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          SO THE WHOLE EFFORT THOUGH, HAS BEEN TO MINIMIZE, UH, BRING THE BUILDING AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE STREET TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE TREES AND PRESERVE AS MANY OF THEM AS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE PARK. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, THE CITY BA BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTUAL REPLACEMENTS. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, THAT'S ENVISIONED TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE PARK PROJECT WHEN THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TAKE PLACE. 
          UH, AND THE, IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPE PLANS, UH, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE LATER ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL SITES, BUT IN TERMS OF CODE REQUIREMENTS, UH, TECHNICALLY THE BUILDINGS ON THE EAST SIDE HAVE TO HAVE LANDSCAPING ON THE SIDES AND BACK. 
          GIVEN THE STEEP SLOPES HERE AND SOME OF THE, UH, REVISIONS, UM, AND SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE STILL BEING WORKED ON, WE EXPECT THAT THOSE WILL BE ADDRESSED AT A LATER DATE WITH AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          UM, IN THE MEANTIME, STEPH IS SUGGESTING THAT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET, SINCE THERE'S REALLY NO ROOM FOR STREET TREES, THAT IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO ADD A COUPLE MORE TREES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY TO MAKE UP FOR THE STREET TREES, THAT THAT'S ONE SUGGESTION. 
          AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE, AND THIS IS VERY LIMITED SPACE, THEY'RE SHOWING AN ORNAMENTAL TREE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. 
          IF THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM TO ADD ANOTHER ONE, AGAIN, THAT MAY HELP MAKE UP FOR THE LACK OF SPACE FOR STREET TREES. 
          A FEW AREAS THAT, UH, WERE MENTIONED, THE AREA BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, UH, WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, REALIGNMENT OF SOME OF THE STREETS, THE GRADING IS CHANGING QUITE A BIT. 
          AND SO, UM, I THINK I AT LEAST, UH, ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THAT THE GRADE WAS GONNA BE THE SAME. 
          SO THERE'S ALREADY STEPS GOING DOWN BY THE RED HOUSE RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, THEY'RE DETERIORATE, DETERIORATED, BUT, UM, THOUGHT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO REBUILD THOSE. 
          BUT IN REALITY, THE GRID IS GONNA BE HIGHER, EVEN HIGHER THAN IT IS NOW. 
          SO THE NEED FOR THOSE FLOATING STAIRS AND TRYING TO PRESERVE WHAT'S UNDERNEATH IS SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, GONNA NEED TO TAKE PLACE. 
          AND, UH, AGAIN, WE THOUGHT AS WE WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH THE, UM, CO HATCH TEAM AND, UH, TRY TO GET A BETTER FEEL FOR THE ENGINEERING, THE FINAL ENGINEERING AT THE CITY LEVEL, THAT IT MADE MORE SENSE TO TAKE SOME TIME AND GET THOSE ITEMS RIGHT AND COME BACK TO YOU. 
          AND THAT INCLUDES HOW THOSE RUMORS GET TREATED, WHETHER THOSE ARE FOR PRIVATE EVENTS OR ACCESSIBLE THROUGH THE PARK. 
          AND, AND THEN SIMILAR ITEMS THAT, UH, I HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN TERMS OF THE TREATMENT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S SOME GRADES AND WHERE IT TRAMPS DOWN AND UP AND AND SO FORTH. 
          SO, UM, AND YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OF THE LATER DISCUSSION THERE ARE SOME, UH, LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS AND BALLARDS AND OTHER THINGS ON THE WEST SIDE ALSO THAT, UH, ANYWHERE WHERE IT'S BEING COORDINATED WITH STREET IMPROVEMENTS, WE FEEL THOSE THINGS ARE ONES WE CAN BRING BACK TO YOU IN GENERAL. 
          UM, THE, UH, AGAIN, UH, THE DRAWINGS HERE ARE CONCEPTUAL IN TERMS OF THE STREET, THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM COUNCIL IS ASPHALT STREET, BUT WITH SOME BRICK ACCENTS. 
          BUT, UM, THEY DID, UM, ENCOURAGE, UH, BRICK SIDEWALKS. 
          SO AS WE, UH, FINALIZE THOSE DETAILS, AGAIN, SOME OF THE, UH, UH, CHA THE COLORS WITHIN THE PLAZA AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT, UM, IN A LITTLE BIT, MAY, UH, MAY CHANGE AS WELL, 
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MAKING A COUPLE OTHER VIEWS OF THOSE AREAS THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU. 
          SO NOW GETTING INTO THE DETAILS, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE EAST PARCELS. 
          UM, AGAIN, MENTIONED THE, UH, TREES ON THE, UH, FRONTAGE OF THE NEW BUILDING. 
          AND WE TALKED, AND MR. CHEMA, YOU BROUGHT UP THE STONE WALL. 
          THE, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, GUIDELINES AND THE CODES REQUIRE, UH, PRESERVATION OF THOSE STONE WALLS ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          THOSE ARE GONNA BE PRESERVED ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND REBUILT BECAUSE OF THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND SO, UM, AND SOME OF 'EM ARE, UM, MISSING RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I THINK, AGAIN, WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO SEE HOW MUCH WE COULD SALVAGE, BUT IDEALLY, THE RED LINE THAT YOU SEE ON, UM, THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN, IDEALLY WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WALL EXTEND EVEN FURTHER AND AS MUCH OF IT BUILT AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE ALSO THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING, UH, SEVERAL, I THINK EIGHT OF THE, UH, 12 REQUIRED BIKE PARKING SPACES ON THAT SIDE OF THE, UH, ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE THE BIKE RACKS THAT ARE PROPOSED SIMILAR TO ELSEWHERE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND YOU'LL SEE SOME OTHERS WITHIN THE PLAZA. 
          THE NEW BUILDING, I'LL TOUCH ON IT, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE, SINCE IT WAS VERY WELL DESCRIBED. 
          THE, UH, ROOF MATERIAL, UM, TO START WITH IS THAT THE METAL SHINGLE THAT WAS DESCRIBED AND, AND STAFF AGREES THAT A BIGGER SHINGLE FOR THE VOLUME OF THE ROOF, UM, MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE THAN SMALLER SHINGLES. 
          THAT THE CONCERN THAT WE'VE HAD IS NOT HAVING SEEN THAT PRODUCT IN PERSON AND HOW IT WEATHERS, UM, WHEN IT'S EXPOSED TO HEAT AND COLD. 
          AND SO, AND THAT, THAT WAS THE, UH, UH, APPRECIATING THE CHARACTER. 
          AND ALSO, UH, THE, UH, LONGEVITY OF IT IS WHAT THE CONDITION THAT WE PUT IN THE STAFF REPORT IS THAT, UH, IF THAT DOESN'T, UH, IF, IF THERE IS NO GOOD EXAMPLES OF THAT, THAT THERE ARE OTHER, UH, OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, THERE ARE MATERIAL SAMPLES BACK HERE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE SHINGLE, UM, THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. 
          THE COLOR IS A GRAYISH COLOR, AND THEN THE, UH, LOWER PORTIONS OF THE ROOF ARE THAT THE BROWNISH COLOR IN THERE AND STANDING SEAM. 
          SO THAT PART IS CONSISTENT WITH APPROVALS FROM BEFORE. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE THOSE COLORS TOGETHER IN, IN DAYLIGHT. 
          BUT, UH, THE, UH, BROCHURE AND MANY OF THE PICTURES THAT WE'VE SEEN, AND I THINK SOME OF YOU SAID YOU'VE, YOU'VE LOOKED AT THAT PRODUCT BEFORE, UH, I THINK REFLECT THE MORE, UH, THAT SILVER, UH, SHINGLE THERE, WHICH IS A LITTLE MORE SMOOTH. 
          I THINK THAT EXAMPLE IS REALLY INTENDED SIMPLY TO SHOW THE LENGTH OF THE, UH, OF THE MATERIAL AND AND SO THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER OPTIONS THERE AS WELL. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE, WE HAVE A LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT THAT, NOT HAVING SEEN IT. 
          SO ANY INFORMATION WE CAN GET OUR HANDS ON WOULD BE APPRECIATED. 
          THE OTHER ITEM I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE, UH, THEY'RE USING QUITE A BIT OF STONE VENEER TO, UH, COMPLIMENT WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, BUT THERE ARE SOME AREAS AT THE, UH, AND I'LL GO BACK TO, UM, MAYBE THIS IMAGE, THE PIERS THAT SUPPORT THE DECK AND SOME OF THE WALLS THAT ARE NOT THE CLOSEST TO YOU AS A PEDESTRIAN, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO USE, UH, UH, FORM LINER CONCRETE. 
          SO IT'S A CONCRETE PRODUCT THAT'S STORED WITH, WITH THAT TEMPLATE. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT UPROSE AND PERSONAL TO SEE WHETHER, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL VEGETATION AROUND IT MAY HELP, UH, REDUCE ANY, UH, APPEARANCE OF NOT A TRUE OR NOT A REAL PRODUCT. 
          BUT AGAIN, MOST OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE IN AREAS THAT, UH, ARE ALL FURTHER AWAY, UH, FROM PEDESTRIANS. 
          THE UPPER PARTS OF THE BUILDING WILL HAVE THE TRUE, UH, STONE VENEERS. 
          SO, WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE TWO ITEMS. ASK, CAN I JUST, MAYBE ONE QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO HERE WITH THESE, LET'S SAY TWO EXAMPLES OF THINGS WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE. 
          YOU'LL WORK WITH, UH, WITH THE TEAM HERE, AND, AND YOU'LL TAKE A DECISION AT ONE POINT TO SAY YOU THINK IT, IT, IT, IT MEETS WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT FOR BOTH OF THOSE. 
          I MEAN, AS A STAFF, YOU'LL, YOU'LL LOOK AT THAT AND, AND OVER THE COURSE OF TIME OR WHEN YOU GET SOME INFORMATION, YOU'LL CHOOSE IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          IF IT'S NOT, DO THEY NEED TO, WE HAVE TO COME BACK, OR HOW, HOW WILL YOU HANDLE THAT? THAT, UH, LET'S SAY IF IT GOES A DIFFERENT DIRECTION? 
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SO THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE POSSIBILITIES. 
          UH, LET'S START WITH THE ROOF. 
          IF, UH, IF THERE IS NO ANSWER THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, WE CAN EITHER WORK WITH THEM ON A ROOF MATERIAL, ESPECIALLY WITH THE EXPANDED ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS ON A ROOF MATERIAL THAT'S BEEN APPROVED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, OR SINCE WE ARE GONNA BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BRING YOU THE DETAILS AT THAT TIME. 
          UH, I WOULD EXPECT A SIMILAR APPROACH WITH THE CONCRETE. 
          UM, SO, OKAY, SO YOU THINK THEY WOULD COME BACK, I MEAN, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS, WHEN THE NEXT DEV, WHEN THE AMENDMENT COMES, WE COULD GO BACK AND EITHER IT'S, EITHER IT WORKS OR WE HAVE TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WITH THE, UH, WITH THE RED HOUSE, UH, WE WERE ABLE, I, I WAS ABLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH, UH, UH, AN OWNER WHO, UH, UH, WAS THE OWNER OF THIS HOUSE FOR 25 YEARS IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES. 
          AND HE MENTIONED THAT HE HAD PROVIDED SOME PICTURES TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, AND THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO SHARE THOSE, UH, WITH US. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THEY, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE NO DATES WITH THESE PICTURES, BUT THERE'S AN OLDER PHOTOGRAPH THAT SHOWED THE FULL FRONT PORCH, UM, AT THAT HOUSE WITH A BRICK CHIMNEY AT ONE POINT. 
          AND THEN OVER TIME IT CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO AT ONE TIME, THERE WAS A GABLE ENTRY, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, UM, THAT, UH, WAS PROJECTING BEYOND THE SURFACE OF THE WALL WITH A, WITH A SMALL VESTIBULE. 
          AND SO THE PROPOSED LITTLE GABLE THAT'S BEING, UH, UH, CONTEMPLATED RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF IN THE SAME SPIRIT OF THAT. 
          THE, UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT, UH, THESE EXPOSED RAFTER ENDS THAT, UH, OUR SUGGESTION THAT IS THAT IF THOSE RAFTER ARE IN GOOD SHAPE, AND IF THEY'RE DOING WORK WITH THE SOFFIT, IT MAY GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE, UH, SHADOW LINE, ALTHOUGH THERE WOULD BE A GUTTER IN FRONT OF 'EM. 
          SO YOU'D HAVE TO BE UNDERNEATH TO APPRECIATE THOSE. 
          UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT AT SOME POINT THERE WAS A COVER OVER A PROJECTING ELEMENT WHERE THE ARCHED WINDOW RIGHT EXISTS RIGHT NOW, AND WITH A GARAGE DOOR A LITTLE PECULIAR, BECAUSE IF YOU MOVE ON TO SOME MORE RECENT PICTURES, YOU SEE THAT IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THERE WAS A SIDE, UNLESS IT'S A DARK MATERIAL, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IT WAS JUST A PROJECTING AREA WITH THE DOOR. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT OF THAT DOOR LATER WHEN IT WAS IN DISREPAIR. 
          AND THEN, UH, SOMETHING KINDA INTERMEDIATE, UH, WHEN IT GOT CHANGED TO THAT, UH, ARCHED WINDOW. 
          SO ALL TO SAY IS CONFIRMATION THAT THAT ARCH WINDOW IS NOT ORIGINAL AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING MAKES SENSE, ALTHOUGH A FEW DETAILS WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM ON. 
          WITH THAT PROJECTION AND WITH THE, UH, WITH THE TRIM AROUND THE, UH, PROPOSED NEW WINDOW, AGAIN, WE EXPECT TO RESOLVE THOSE BEFORE THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THE, UH, LIGHTING, UH, WHICH IS ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU, UH, TYPICALLY HAVE TO APPROVE. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, THIS DECORATIVE FIXTURE, UH, THAT WOULD BE RIGHT BESIDE THE DOOR, AND THEN A SECURITY LIGHT THAT WOULD BE UNDERNEATH THAT GABLE THAT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WOULD BE ON A SENSOR, UH, AT NIGHT, AND THEN THE GOOSENECK LAMP THAT WOULD BE ABOVE, UH, SIGN HERE. 
          SO OUR SUGGESTION IS THAT THE GOOSENECK LAMP BE LEFT AND LOOKED AT WHEN WE HAVE THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE, UH, IN, IN CASE THERE ARE ANY CHANGES. 
          THE, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, THE BUILDING WILL BE RESTORED AS IS TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. 
          UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE, UM, WINDOWS AND DOORS IF THEY'RE NOT SALVAGEABLE. 
          AND FOR THE WINDOWS, THEY'RE PROPOSING APPELLA PRODUCT. 
          THAT'S AN ALUMINUM THREAD, WOOD WINDOWS WITH SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT WITH A SPACER IN BETWEEN, WHICH IS THE CLOSEST TO, UH, WHAT THE ORIGINALS WOULD'VE BEEN. 
          THE, UH, DOORS, UM, ARE PROPOSED TO BE FIBERGLASS. 
          AND AS YOU HEARD WITH ONE OF THE EARLIER CASES TONIGHT, FIBERGLASS IS, UH, REQUIRES A WAIVER. 
          UH, IN THE PAST, THIS BOARD HAS GRANTED WAIVERS FOR FIBERGLASS DOORS ON BACKGROUND BUILDINGS, UM, NOT AWARE OF ANY THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED FOR LANDMARK BUILDINGS. 
          SO, UH, IN THIS CASE, WE FEEL THAT IF THE ORIGINAL DOORS CANNOT BE RESTORED, THE USE OF THE BUILDING IS CHANGING. 
          THIS IS NOT A HOUSE ANYMORE. 
          THIS WILL BE, UH, FREQUENTED QUITE OFTEN. 
          AND THAT'S THE SAME CASE WITH THE OTHER HOUSES. 
          AND FIBERGLASS TYPICALLY DOES, IF IT'S THE RIGHT PRODUCT, IT DOES A, A DECENT JOB OF, UM, APPROXIMATING WOOD. 
          SO, UH, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF A WAIVER AS LONG AS THE PRODUCT, UH, BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PRODUCT INFORMATION, IT 
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WASN'T CLEAR THAT IT CAME WITH THE TRUE OR SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS. 
          UH, AGAIN, WE WE'RE SUPPORTIVE WITH THAT QUALIFICATION THAT, THAT, UH, THAT OPTION IS AVAILABLE. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE THE COLORS, AND AGAIN, THERE ARE MATERIAL AND COLOR SAMPLES. 
          HERE ARE, IS A DEEPER RED. 
          SO THEY ALL ARE IN THE RED FAMILY. 
          AND THEN THE BACK REBUILT PORCH, IF YOU WILL, A MONTESSORI PORCH WOULD BE A LIGHTER, A SLIGHTLY LIGHTER COLOR. 
          UM, AGAIN, A FEW TRIM DETAILS AND OTHER THINGS WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM ON, BUT, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF THE OVERALL APPROACH. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT, WITH THE, UH, KIOSK, I THINK LAST TIME YOU SAW WAS IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO NOW WE HAVE MATERIALS AND, UH, DESIGN DETAILS. 
          SO AGAIN, THESE WILL BE, UH, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS IN THIS CASE WITH SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT. 
          THE STRUCTURE ITSELF WOULD HAVE HARDY, UH, SMOOTH, HARDY PANEL, UM, CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, LIGHTING, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, ESPECIALLY THE ROUND, UH, LIGHTS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH THE, UH, ROOF OVERHANG. 
          UM, BUT THEY ARE IN A NON RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL IS SEPARATED BY THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE PART OF THE PROJECT. 
          UH, ALL OF THE LIGHT FIXTURES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED WOULD HAVE THE SWARM LIGHT, UM, UH, LIKE COLOR TEMPERATURES, SO THEY WOULD NOT BE A BRIGHT WHITE COLOR. 
          IT WOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, NATURE OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          AND THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME, UH, LIGHTS THAT WOULD BE MOUNTED UNDERNEATH THE ROOF OVERHANG THAT YOU SEE HERE. 
          KINDA, UH, STRAIGHT LINE LIGHTS THAT ALLOW FOR SOME, UH, ILLUMINATION OF THE COUNTER SPACES. 
          AND THEN THERE'S SOME FURNITURE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED WITHIN THE PLAZA THAT, UH, UM, A BUNCH OF INFORMATION HAS BEEN ADDED. 
          AND IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT WOULD BE SEMI-PERMANENT, SOME OF THE CARTS THAT WOULD BE SEASONAL, THAT WOULD BE STORED WITHIN THAT SHED WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND THEN THE PLAZA ITSELF, UH, THE, UH, IT, IT WOULD BE SOME SORT OF A PAVER, UH, PATTERN WITHIN THE PLAZA. 
          THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TOOK TWO, UH, SCENARIOS. 
          ONE, WHETHER THE STREET WAS GONNA BE SAL ONE, WHETHER IT WAS GONNA BE BRICKS. 
          SO THE ONE THAT YOU SEE OUTLINED IN GREEN IS A BLEND OF A COUPLE OF, UH, BRICK CLAY PAVERS THAT IT'S SOUNDING MOST LIKELY THAT THAT'S GONNA BE THE APPROACH, UH, UNLESS THE DETAILS GET DESIGNED, UH, DIFFERENTLY. 
          SO AGAIN, WE THINK THIS IS ONE WHERE WE WERE GONNA BE WORKING WITH THEM ON THE, THOSE FINAL DETAILS AND POSSIBLY, UH, SHARING THOSE RESULTS WITH YOU AT THE, UH, AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          BUT OTHERWISE, THEY'RE PROPOSING THE WALLS TO HAVE THE, UH, THE STONE VENEER WITH, UH, STONE CAP. 
          AND SEVERAL OF THOSE WILL HAVE BENCHES BUILT INTO THEM WITH, WITH WOODEN BENCHES, UH, YOU HAVE LIMESTONE STEPS THAT, UM, THERE, THERE ARE GREAT CHANGES THERE. 
          AND ADDITIONAL BIKE RACKS. 
          SO THESE WILL BE THE FINAL FOUR OF THE BIKE RACKS OR, OR THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED BIKE SPACES. 
          UM, THERE, A, A TREE IS PROPOSED WITHIN THE PLAZA THAT WOULD HAVE A GRATE THAT'S EXPANDABLE. 
          SO AS THE TREE GROWS, UH, IT, UH, CAN EXPAND TO ACCOMMODATE IT. 
          AND, UH, AND THEN THE, UH, KIOSK ITSELF IN TERMS OF LIGHTING, A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT LIGHTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA BE VERY SUBTLE. 
          YOU HAVE, UH, SOME LIGHTS THAT WOULD BE, UH, BUILT INTO THE WALL THAT WOULD, WOULD ELIMINATE MOSTLY THE STEPS. 
          YOU HAVE SOME, UH, LED TAPE THAT WOULD BE UNDERNEATH THE WOODEN BENCH, SO THAT WOULD KIND OF PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF A GLOW UNDERNEATH, BUT, UH, VERY SOFT. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IS A SERIES OF BOLLARDS THAT THEY'RE SHOWING ALONG THE NORTH RIVER VIEW, UH, STREET FRONTAGE. 
          AND THOSE ARE ONES AGAIN, THAT WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM ON AS WE COORDINATE WITH THE CITY PROJECT. 
          'CAUSE THERE WILL BE BALLARDS AS PART OF THAT PROJECT AS WELL. 
          AND SOME OF THESE WOULD BE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO THE BALLARDS WE WE'D LIKE TO, UH, DEFER AND CONTINUE TO WORK ON. 
          SO WITH THAT, TO KIND OF WRAP UP THE EAST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS THE ONE WAIVER FOR THE FIBERGLASS DOORS, UM, THAT APPLIES TO ALL OF THE BUILDINGS, THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS. 
          WE ARE FOCUSING HERE ON 62. 
          WE FEEL THAT ALL OF THE CRITERIA ARE EITHER MET OR NOT APPLICABLE. 
          THEN IN TERMS OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE IS, UH, SHARING ALL OF THEM WITH YOU HERE, BUT KIND OF GRAYING OUT THE ONES 
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THAT ARE RELATED TO THE, UH, UH, WEST SIDE. 
          BUT, UH, AGAIN, THE APPROVAL IS SUBJECT TO COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE REZONING, UH, SOME OF THE DESIGN DETAILS OF THOSE COMMON AREAS TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU. 
          UH, SOME OF THE LIGHTING WITHIN, UH, THAT PROXIMITY TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU. 
          UH, A FEW OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RED HOUSE AND HOW THEY FINISH THEIR INTERIOR LAYOUT AND HOW IT AFFECTS THE EXTERIOR, UH, WOULD BRING BACK, UH, THOSE BACK TO YOU AS WELL. 
          THE, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE AN INCREASE IN THE LENGTH OF THE HISTORIC STONEWALL, UM, AS IT'S BEING RECONSTRUCTED. 
          UM, ADDITIONAL TREES ON THE WEST SIDE IF, UH, FEASIBLE. 
          UM, IF THE PRODUCT, THE DOOR PRODUCT IS NOT, UH, DOES NOT HAVE THAT OPTION WITH THE SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT THAT ANOTHER PRODUCT THAT DOES MEET THAT STANDARD BE, UH, PRESENTED, THEN THAT, AND, AND THIS APPLIES TO PRETTY MUCH ANY HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          UH, IF ITEMS ARE BEING REPLACED, LIKE SIDING OR, UH, OTHER MATERIALS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE EVIDENCE THAT THOSE ARE BEYOND REPAIR, UM, UH, BEFORE THEY ARE REPLACED. 
          UM, TALKED ABOUT THE ROOF MATERIAL FOR THE LARGER ROOF, WANTING TO SEE EXAMPLES OF THAT. 
          AND SAME THING WITH THE CONCRETE FORM LINER. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE SOME UMBRELLAS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED WITHIN THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT, THE PLAZA AND, AND SOME OF THE OTHER HOUSES. 
          THOSE HAVE TO HAVE FADE RESISTANT FABRIC. 
          AND THE LAST ITEM IS SOMEWHAT OF A CATCH ALL THAT AS THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE, UH, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURES, IF THERE IS EVIDENCE OF EARLIER FABRIC THAT MAY INFORM, UH, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THE DESIGN THAT, UH, YOU AUTHORIZE STAFF TO WORK WITH THEM TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, UH, THAT CHANGE. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA STOP HERE FOR NOW, AND, UH, MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE E SIGN THAT WE MOVE ON. 
          I, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO 12 IS, IS THAT MEANT TO BE FADED OUT THEN NUMBER 12 UP THERE? IS IT JUST A DIFFERENT COLOR ON BY ACCIDENT? YEAH, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE FADED OUT ARE ONES WE ARE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE, WITH THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          COULD YOU JUST GO BACK TO THE OTHER PAGE? I THINK I MISSED SOMETHING. 
          THE, THE, THE, THE PREVIOUS PAGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WHEN YOU READ EIGHT, I HEARD YOU READ AND ROOFS THE YEAH, THE EVIDENCE OF DETERIORATION, BUT, AND ROOFS IS NIAN EIGHT. 
          DID YOU, IF, DID YOU MEAN TO HAVE EVIDENCE OF DETERIORATION BEYOND REPAIR PROVIDED TO YOU FOR ROOFS? NO. 
          OKAY, THEN I HEARD IT WRONG. 
          IF I JUST WANTED MAKE SURE I HEARD I OVERP SPOKE, NOT, NOT THAT ROOFS. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT MATCHES. 
          NO, I'M GOOD. 
          I, LIKE I SAY, THE MATERIAL ISSUES KIND OF A CONCERN OF, OF MINE, YOU KNOW, AND, BUT, UM, LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT THAT WRITTEN IN THERE THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE FURTHER EVALUATED WITH EVIDENCE OF, IS THAT THE APPROPRIATE MATERIAL. 
          SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT ONE. 
          AND THEN MINE'S ALSO AN EIGHT. 
          'CAUSE YOU HAVE, AND THIS ONE YOU HAVE ALL, ALL OF THEM LUMPED TOGETHER. 
          SO I MEAN, CERTAINLY THERE'S WINDOW, THERE'S OTHER THINGS IN THERE. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW IN ONE OF 'EM IT SAYS IF THE, IF THE DOORS ARE OKAY, UNLESS THEY'RE A DA, THERE'S A FEW, SOME VERBIAGE YOU HAVE IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WOULD COME ALSO BACK TO DOORS, WINDOWS, MORE THAN JUST THE SIDING. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO JUST KIND OF PUT IN HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT IF WE FIND SOMETHING HISTORIC? YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT, YOU CAN'T BE ALL ENCOMPASSING, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE LAST ONE ENCOMPASSES IF WE FEEL GOOD THAT, THAT THE LAST ONE THAT SAYS ABOUT 12 OR 13, WHATEVER THE LAST ONE IS THAT, YEAH, THAT ONE. 
          DO YOU THINK THAT ENCOMPASSES, OR DO WE NEED TO ADD A FEW MORE THINGS IN THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT THE STAFF SHOULD BE INVOLVED IF THEY SEE SOME HISTORIC, COULD BE WINDOW, COULD BE DOOR, COULD BE HISTORIC, I RAFT, OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU GUYS WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT IT BEFORE THEY TAKE IT OUT. 
          DO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE MORE DETAILED OR DO YOU THINK 14 IS CLEAR ENOUGH IN A COMBINATION WITH EIGHT? UH, TO, TO ME IT'S CLEAR, BUT UH, YOU'RE SEEING IT WITH FRESH EYES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF IT'S NOT CLEAR TO YOU, WE CAN CLARIFY THAT ONE. 
          ONE THING I DID WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE APPLICATION MATERIALS, 
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WHEN THEY LISTED ALL THE, UH, UH, INDIVIDUAL DETAILS, THEY DID ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UH, IF SIDING COULD BE REPAIRED, IT'LL BE REPAIRED. 
          IF IT CANNOT, THEN IT WOULD BE REPAIRED. 
          I DIDN'T LOOK IT UP, BUT IT SAYS THAT FOR WINDOWS DOOR, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OKAY. 
          I DIDN'T LOOK IT UP. 
          SO, SO IT SITS INSIDE OF THEIR ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS AND THAT FOR ME OF EIGHT AND 14 PROBABLY THEN ENCOMPASS THAT FOR ME. 
          GOOD ENOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          NO. 
          NUMBER 14 DOES NOT SIT WITHIN THOSE DOCUMENTS BECAUSE IT'S A GUESS, BUT THE OTHER ONES DO. 
          RIGHT? YOU'RE EXPAND. 
          OKAY, EVERYBODY GOOD ON FOR THE MOMENT ON THE CONDITIONS. 
          BAAM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE HISTORICAL PICTURES ON THE RED HOUSE. 
          62. 
          THAT WAS REALLY, I WAS ORIGINALLY LOOKING FOR PICTURES OF THE RUINS TO SEE IF ANYBODY HAD ANYTHING TO PUT SOME MEAT ON THE, THE STONE. 
          AND, BUT THOSE CAME, THOSE CAME UP, CAME TO BE AND THEY WERE GREAT. 
          SO YEAH, IT WAS WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE PLAN IS THAT THAT HOUSE YOU REALLY, AND RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T SEE HARDLY ANY OF THE HISTORIC DETAIL AT ALL. 
          IT'S OVERRUN . 
          SO THIS IS GONNA BE FANTASTIC 'CAUSE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THAT. 
          BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, 'CAUSE I HAVE ROOFS ON MY MIND ANYWAYS. 
          SO YOU SAID, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THEM TO SHOW US SOMETHING, SHOW US OTHER USES, OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE USED, UH, THOSE LARGER SHINGLES IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR BEFORE YOU'LL, BEFORE WE WOULD WANNA SAY, YEAH, YOU SHOULD GO WITH THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE WAY IT'S WORDED IN THE CODE IS THAT IT, THERE HAS TO BE EVIDENCE OF A, IF, IF IT'S NOT A MATERIAL THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BEFORE OR COMMENT MM-HMM, , UH, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE EVIDENCE OF SUC SUCCESSFUL APPLICATIONS AND COMPARABLE CLIMATES. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS, YEAH, I, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A PRETTY NEW PRODUCT. 
          I THINK IT'S ONLY BEEN OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          REAL, REAL QUICK, JUST SO AS THE BUILDING OWNER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVIDENCE THAT IT IS AWESOME AND GREAT AS WELL. 
          SURE. 
          SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE OF THAT. 
          I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE DID IS WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE STANDING SEAM, STANDING SEAM, STANDING SEAM, STANDING SEAM. 
          SO WE, WE FOUND THAT MATERIAL, BUT WE WILL WORK AND THEY HAVE TO PASS BY TEST AND YOUR TEST BEFORE WE PUT IT UP THERE. 
          GOT IT. 
          IT'S JUST GOT IT TOO, TOO EXPENSIVE OF A PROJECT TO JEOPARDIZE A PRODUCT THAT IS NOT GREAT. 
          SO WE ARE FULLY ALIGNED ON PROVING THAT ROOF MATERIAL WORKS. 
           GOOD. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I AGREE. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE BROKEN UP FOR SURE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND SO I JUST, YEAH, GOOD. 
          I HOPE WE FIND THAT, 'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S PRETTY NEW MATERIAL AND WE'RE GOOD FOR A MINUTE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL JUMP OVER TO THE WEST SIDE NOW. 
          OH, SO THE, THE WEST SIDE IS, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, FOR, FOR THE MOST PART EASIER BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF THE EXISTING FABRIC THERE AND WE ARE NOT, UM, GUESSING AS MUCH. 
          BUT, UH, UH, WHAT I THOUGHT MIGHT HELP HERE IS SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT YOU SEE, THE COLOR ELEVATIONS, WE DON'T HAVE COLOR ELEVATIONS WITH THE LATEST SUBMITTAL. 
          UH, BUT IT WAS A LOT EASIER TO DEPICT ON A PRESENTATION WITH THE COLOR. 
          AND SO THESE COLOR ELEVATIONS ARE THE ONES THAT WERE USED AT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN LEVEL, SO WANTED TO QUALIFY THAT BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME REFINEMENTS, BUT GENERALLY IT'S, UH, IT'S THE SAME. 
          SO WANTED TO SHOW THE ELEVATIONS OF THE EXISTING AND, AND PROPOSE TO REFLECT THAT, THAT THE CHANGES THAT ARE, UH, BEING MADE AND HOW THEY'RE STILL, UH, GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSES. 
          SO THE, UH, FRONT ELEVATION OF 37 NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, THE, UH, CHANGES ARE REMOVING THE, UH, CONCRETE DECK THAT'S IN FRONT OF IT AND ADDING A PORCH ON THE EAST SIDE THAT THEN WOULD JOIN IN WITH THE RECONSTRUCTED PORCH ON THE WEST SIDE TO CREATE A WRAPAROUND PORCH. 
          UM, WE FEEL EVEN THOUGH THAT'S, UH, LIKELY WAS TWO SEPARATE PORCHES BEFORE, BUT IT LENDS ITSELF TO THE, UH, PROPOSED USES WITHIN THIS BUILDING AND ADD SOME NICE CHARACTER. 
          OTHERWISE, FOR THE MOST PART, THE WINDOWS ARE EITHER REPAIRED, BEING REPAIRED OR REPLACED. 
          UM, WITH SIMILAR ONES, UH, THEY WOULD BE, IF THEY ARE REPLACED, THEY THE SAME PALLET PRODUCT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, AND THEY WOULD MIMIC THE PATTERN FOR THE, UH, OF THE EXISTING OTHER THAN SOME OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT ANY OF THEM ARE ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL, BUT SOME OF 'EM DON'T HAVE THE CORRECT PROPORTIONS. 
          SO THEY'LL BE FOLLOWING THE PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE. 
          AND THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE OF A STRUCTURE WHERE MOST LIKELY THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE EVEN TALLER. 
          SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF ONE WHERE IF THE SIDING IS NOT REPAIRABLE 
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AND IT'S BEING REMOVED, AND WE FIND SOME EVIDENCE OF SOMETHING DIFFERENT UNDERNEATH THAT, THAT ONE WE COULD WORK WITH THEM ON. 
          SO WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, SO THE COLORS WILL BE CHANGING AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, SO WITHIN THE, UH, SPIRIT OF THE TIME PERIOD, AND THIS ONE WILL HAVE A STANDING SEAM, METAL ROOF AND A BRONZE COLOR. 
          AND AGAIN, ALL OF THEM ARE AVAILABLE HERE. 
          UM, DOOR IS PROPOSED TO BE A FIBERGLASS DOOR. 
          THE SPECIFIC IMAGE YOU SEE ON THE, UH, SLIDE HAS A HORIZONTAL WINDOW TREATMENT, WHICH IS NOT, UH, APPROPRIATE FOR THE STYLE, BUT THE WAY IT'S ACTUALLY DRAWN IN THE ELEVATIONS IS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S THERE NOW. 
          AND WHAT THEY'VE INDICATED TO US IS IT'S WHAT'S DRAWN NOT THE, UH, SAMPLE THAT'S SHOWN HERE. 
          SO WITH THE SAME CAVEAT THAT WE, UH, SUGGESTED BEFORE ABOUT THE, UH, SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE, UH, DOOR REPLACEMENT IF NEEDED. 
          THE, UH, BACKSIDE, THERE USED TO BE ANOTHER ADDITION THERE. 
          SO THERE'S BORED AND BATTEN AND A HODGEPODGE OF WINDOWS AND DOORS. 
          UH, THEY'RE BEING ORGANIZED IN A, A MORE COMPLETE WAY. 
          AND SO SOME OF THE WINDOWS ARE CHANGING A LITTLE BIT HERE, AND THE SIDING IS BEING REPLACED WITH, UH, HARDY SIDING. 
          THAT'S A LITTLE BIT NARROWER TO DISTINGUISH IT FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          THE, UH, MAIN, UH, PART OF THE HOUSE. 
          UH, AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SAYING THAT IF THE SIDING COULD BE REPAIRED, THEY WERE REPAIRED, OTHERWISE IT MAY NEED TO BE REPLACED. 
          AND IF IT IS REPLACED AT THIS POINT, THE UM, PROPOSAL IS TO USE SIX INCH, UH, HARDY SIDING. 
          ONE THING WE WANTED TO NOTE IS THAT THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS STRUCTURE HAS DIFFERENT SIDE. 
          IT HAS THAT DROP SIDING WITH THE LITTLE BEVEL. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THAT IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE SIDING OF THE REST OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND IT'S NOT CLEAR WHETHER THAT'S INTENTIONAL TO DISTINGUISH THE FRONT, UH, THE, THE TWO SIDES OF THE FRONT ON A STREET, UH, FROM THE INTERNAL SIDE OR WHETHER IT'S PART OF THE EVOLUTION OF THIS HOUSE. 
          AND, BUT IT DOES HAVE A UNIQUE CHARACTER. 
          AND IF THAT COULD BE, EVEN IF IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, REP REPLICATED, UH, IT, IT ADDS A LITTLE BIT OF CHARACTER TO THAT. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER COMMENT THAT'S UNIVERSAL TO ALL HOUSES IS THERE'S A FREEZE BOARD TRIM UNDERNEATH THE EAVES. 
          UH, THAT IS VERY COMMON AND THE STRUCTURE. 
          SO IF THE SIDING IS BEING REPLACED, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT CHARACTER, UH, PRESERVED AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THE FINAL THING WITH THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE IS THE EXISTING GUTTERS ARE, ARE HALF ROUND GUTTERS, WHICH IS A HISTORICAL PROFILE. 
          UM, MOST OF THE OTHER OTHERS ARE MORE TRADITIONAL, UH, MORE MODERN WITH THE, WHAT THEY CALL CASE STYLE OR OG STYLE GUTTERS. 
          IN THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY USE THE HALF ROUND, UH, BECAUSE IT IS THERE AND, AND THERE IS HISTORY OF THAT WANTED TO, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M SHOWING THE BLACK AND WHITE ELEVATION, JUST BECAUSE IT ALSO SHOWS THE PERGOLA THAT'S BEING PROPOSED BEHIND THE HOUSE AND WANTED TO SHOW IT FROM A SCALE PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO IT WOULD BE ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF AWAY FROM THE HOUSE, AND THE HEIGHT WOULD BE JUST UNDERNEATH THE EAVE SO THAT IT DOESN'T OVERWHELM THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, ONE THING WE WERE WONDERING ABOUT IS WHETHER THERE'S ENOUGH HEADROOM, BECAUSE THEY DID LOWER IT FROM THE PREVIOUS VERSION, UM, WHETHER THERE'S ENOUGH HEADROOM UNDERNEATH THE LIGHT FIXTURES WITHIN THE PERGOLAS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING JUST NOTING FOR THEM TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT. 
          SO GETTING INTO THE SITE, THERE'S, UH, SEVERAL ELEMENTS HERE WITH THE HARDSCAPE AND THE LANDSCAPE AND THE LINING. 
          SO STARTING WITH THE HARDSCAPE, THEY ARE PROPOSING A, UH, PATIO IN FRONT OF THE PERGOLA, WHICH YOU SEE IN HERE. 
          UH, THE PATIO WOULD BE, UH, MORE LIKE A FLAGSTONE UNEVEN, UM, SLABS THAT WOULD, UH, UM, STILL BE ACCESSIBLE. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE PROPOSING SOME, UM, UH, STONE EDGING AROUND THE, UH, WALKWAY OFF OF WING HILL LANE THAT YOU SEE HERE THAT WOULD FRAME THE PATIO AND, AND, UH, MATERIAL THAT'S COMPLIMENTARY TO THE REST OF THE, UH, MATERIALS THERE. 
          THE PERGOLA ITSELF WOULD BE BUILT OF RED CEDAR, AND AT LEAST THE, UH, APPLICATION MATERIALS INDICATE THAT WOULD BE, UH, STAINED A CLEAR STAIN. 
          UH, GIVEN THE COLORS OF THE HOUSE, IT MAY BE WORTH LOOKING AT A COMPLIMENTARY COLOR SIMILAR TO WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE CHARACTER IMAGE OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          UM, THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE, UH, POINTED OUT IN TERMS OF, UH, COLORS. 
          BUT WE ARE, UH, BE OPEN TO DIFFERENT, UM, IDEAS THERE. 
          THE FLOOR, UH, UNDERNEATH 
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THE PERGOLA WOULD BE A WOOD DECK THAT WOULD BE ELEVATED A LITTLE BIT FROM THE, UH, PATIO ITSELF. 
          AND THAT'S THE IMAGE THAT YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE AT THE BOTTOM. 
          SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COLOR OF THE, UH, UPRIGHT STRUCTURE IS, MAY HAVE TO BE COORDINATED. 
          AND THEN THE LIGHT FIXTURE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WITHIN THE PERGOLA THAT I JUST POINTED OUT IS A ROPE, UH, DESIGN THAT IS, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT A HISTORIC DESIGN, BUT WE FEEL WHERE IT IS AND HOW IT RELATES TO THAT ENVIRONMENT THAT, UH, UH, IT WORKS NICELY. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, WALKWAYS THAT GET YOU OUT TO BOTH RIVERVIEW STREET AND WING HILL LANE, UH, PROPOSING A, UH, BRICK, UH, PAVER, UH, FROM BELDEN. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF A TAN COLOR AND THAT'S UNIVERSAL ALONG AMONG ALL OF THE HOUSES THEY'RE USED IN THE SAME WALKWAY MATERIAL FOR ALL OF THEM. 
          COMBINE THE LANDSCAPING AND THE LINING HERE, THE LANDSCAPING COMBINATION OF SHRUBS AND PERENNIALS AND FLOWERING PLANTS AND, UH, SOME ORNAMENTAL TREES ON THIS SIDE THAT BASICALLY, UH, SURROUND THE HOUSE AND THE PATIO AND SOFTEN, UH, ALL OF THOSE EDGES. 
          SOME OF THAT WILL BE ENCROACHING TO THE PUBLIC CROWD OF WAY WILL BE PART OF THAT ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT. 
          UM, THE LIGHTING IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE SHOWING ONE BALLARD, AGAIN, CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL, UM, NEIGHBOR HERE AND, AND CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE, UH, COORDINATING WITH THE CITY PROJECT. 
          AND THEN SOME OF THE PATIO FURNITURE, UH, BOTH PATIO ON FRONT PORCH, I SHOULD SAY, FURNITURE THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED. 
          UH, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE UMBRELLAS THAT WILL HAVE TO HAVE A PHAGE RESISTANT FABRIC. 
          SO THAT'S 37, UM, 45. 
          UH, BASICALLY THIS ONE, THEIR INTENT IS TO REMOVE THE ALUMINUM SIDING AND REPOSE AND RESTORE, HOPEFULLY THAT'S IN GOOD SHAPE, THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING AND THEN REBUILT THE FRONT, THE ENCLOSED WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL THE ENCLOSED PORCH, UH, TO BE, UH, MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER WHILE SO HAVE USABLE SPACE WITHIN. 
          SO, UM, BASICALLY THE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THESE, UH, ALUMINUM OR METAL SUPPORTS, AND THE WINDOW PROPORTIONS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE STRUCTURE. 
          SO IT'LL BE, UH, UH, A VEST IMPROVEMENT. 
          AND THEN THE REAR ADDITION, LET ME GO BACK. 
          THE REAR ADDITION WOULD ALSO BE CLAD WITH, UH, SIDING THAT WOULD MATCH THE REST OF THE HOUSE IN TERMS OF COLORS. 
          THE BODY COLOR WOULD BE THIS DARK GREEN THAT'S, UH, UH, AND WITH THE, WITH A LIGHTER, EXCUSE ME, LIGHTER TRIM. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, WINDOWS THEMSELVES AGAIN, WOULD BE THAT ALUMINUM CRAB PRODUCT WOULD BE A SLIGHTLY, UM, DARKER OR KIND OF IN BETWEEN COLOR TO DISTINGUISH THE WINDOW FROM THE TRIM. 
          THE, UH, FORGED STEEL THAT YOU SEE HERE WOULD BE THE COLOR FOR THE HANDRAILS AND FOR THE LAT UNDERNEATH THE PORCH ELEMENTS. 
          AND THE, UH, DOOR, AGAIN, WOULD BE A FIBERGLASS DOOR THAT, UH, IS, UH, OF A STYLE, EXCUSE ME, THAT'S, UH, COMPLIMENTARY TO THE, UH, ARCHITECTURE. 
          AND THIS ONE, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO RESTORE THE EXISTING STANDING STEAM METAL ROOF. 
          IT'S SOMEWHAT UNIQUE AND PAINTING IT A PUTTY COLOR. 
          AND THAT ONE, AGAIN, THERE'S A SAMPLE THERE. 
          UM, IN THE IMAGES IT LOOKED MORE GREENISH. 
          IN REAL LIFE, IT IS REALLY, UH, LIGHT COLOR. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN THAT COLOR IN PERSON. 
          IT SEEMED A LITTLE LIGHT FOR THE STORY, BUT, BUT APPARENTLY IT'S BEEN USED SUCCESSFULLY BEFORE. 
          SO WE JUST WANTED TO SEE HOW THAT, UH, LOOKS. 
          BUT, UH, WANTED TO POINT IT OUT. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, THESE ARE, UH, SOME OF THE TALLER WINDOWS. 
          THOSE ARE ONES THAT WE FEEL ARE WORTHY OF PRESERVATION IF POSSIBLE. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA ATTEMPT THAT AND SEE HOW THEY HOLD UP. 
          SO WE MIGHT HAVE AN OUTSIDE EXPERT ALSO HELP WITH THOSE DETAILS. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, THE PATIO BEHIND THE HOUSE WOULD HAVE A STABILIZED, UH, AGGREGATE SURFACE THAT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS A DA, UH, COMPLIANT. 
          AND THERE THERE WOULD BE STONEWALLED SEGMENTS THAT WOULD SURROUND PORTIONS OF THAT PATIO WITH A COUPLE OF STEPS BECAUSE OF THE GREAT CHANGE THAT WOULD BE LIMESTONE STEPS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE, UH, PLAZA IN THE FRONT. 
          AND, UH, HAVING A SOMEWHAT CURVE LINEAR SHAPE AROUND IT TO ADD SOME UNIQUENESS TO EACH DISTINGUISH THE PERS FROM EACH 
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OTHER. 
          WITH THIS ONE, THERE WOULD BE THREE, UM, SHADE TREES AROUND OR THREE DE TREES ON THE SITE, AND A ORNAMENTAL ONE IN THE FRONT, AGAIN WITH A COMBINATION OF, UH, SHRUBS AND PERENNIALS AND, UH, FLOWERING PLANTS, UH, SURROUNDING THE HOUSE. 
          AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE LIGHTING, UM, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE BALLARD. 
          HERE WOULD BE THE SAME COMMENT, UH, THERE AGAIN USING THE LED, UH, TAPE UNDERNEATH THE CAP OF THE STONE WALLS. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD THING WITH THIS ONE IS IT WOULD HAVE SOME, UH, STRING LIGHTING OVER THAT PATIO, UH, TO ADD A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CHARACTER. 
          I SHOULD MENTION THE INTENT FOR THE STREET ITSELF, FOR BLACKSMITH LANE, SINCE THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM FOR LIGHT POLES TO HAVE CANTER, CANTER LIGHTING THERE AS WELL. 
          SO THEY WOULD COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER. 
          ALL OF THOSE SLIGHT LEVELS ARE CONSISTENT WITH CODE STANDARDS, BY THE WAY. 
          AND THEY ALL WOULD BE IN THAT WARMISH, UH, WARMISH HUE. 
          AND AGAIN, SOME OF THE PATIO AND, AND PORCH FURNITURE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED THERE. 
          AND THERE. 
          LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IS 53, UH, NORTH RIVERVIEW. 
          THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S, UH, GONNA BE, UM, CHANGED THE MOST, IF YOU WILL, BUT STILL MAINTAINING ITS, UH, UH, ORIGINAL CHARACTER. 
          SO WE TALKED BEFORE THERE WOULD BE, UH, REOPENING OR OPENING UP THE, THE PORSCHE SO THAT IT'S EXPOSED ELEMENTS RATHER THAN A LOW CEILING AND MORE CONFINED ELEMENTS. 
          BUT WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT, THEY'RE MAINTAINING THE, UH, EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE BEAMS WITH SOME OF THE, UH, MOLDINGS AND, AND EXPOSED DRAFTERS AROUND THE EDGES AND AND SO FORTH. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME WINDOWS AND DOORS THAT ARE SHIFTING AROUND, OR, UH, SOME SINGLE WINDOWS THAT WILL BECOME DOUBLE WINDOWS. 
          AND, AND ALL OF THOSE CASES WHERE WE HAVE WINDOWS SIDE BY SIDE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS SIDE BY SIDE WITH TRIM IN BETWEEN TO MAINTAIN THE TRADITIONAL CHARACTER. 
          THE, UH, THIS ONE, BECAUSE IT'S THE OLDER VERSION, THEY'RE MAINTAINING THE, UH, VENTS ALSO ON THESE CABLES, WHICH IS, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, CRITERIA. 
          AND THE CODE IS, UH, GABLE FEATURE. 
          SO THOSE WOULD BE, UH, MAINTAINED. 
          AND THEN THE COLOR SCHEME WOULD BE, UH, VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE, UH, COLOR. 
          SO IT'S, UH, UM, KIND OF LIGHTER GREEN, IF YOU WILL, WITH A DARKER GREEN TRIM. 
          AND THAT TRIM WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE BODY COLOR FOR 45. 
          SO THEY'RE ALL TYING TOGETHER. 
          AND THEN THE SIDING ITSELF, RIGHT NOW, IT HAS THAT STAGGERED SHINGLE SIDING, WHICH IS, UH, IN TWO DIFFERENT, UH, CHARACTERS. 
          I THINK THE ORIGINAL SIDING IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, AND IT'S REALLY IN BAD SHAPE. 
          AND THEN THERE IS SOME NEWER, UH, SIDING ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, THE INTENT IS TO REPLACE IT ALL WITH NEW, UH, HARDY SIDING, BUT WOULD HAVE THAT SHINGLE, UH, CEDAR SHINGLE, UH, APPEARANCE OTHER THAN IT WOULD HAVE A STRAIGHT EDGE RATHER THAN THE STAGGERED STYLE. 
          AND WHY WE TYPICALLY WOULD RECOMMEND MATCHING THE EXISTING FABRIC FOR SUCH A SMALL HOUSE. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD, UH, BE CLEANER TO HAVE THE STRAIGHT EDGES. 
          SAME THING WITH THE WINDOWS. 
          RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE SIMPLE ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS. 
          AND IN THIS CASE THEY'RE PROPOSING CRAFTSMAN STYLE, THREE OVER ONE WINDOWS, WHICH WE FEEL WOULD COMPLEMENT THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE. 
          AND THEN THE DOOR ITSELF, AGAIN, FIBERGLASS DOOR PLA WOULD HAVE MORE OF A STAINED, UH, WOOD FINISH, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURE AS WELL. 
          SO WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF ALL OF THOSE. 
          THE ONLY HESITANCY IS THE, UH, SHINGLE ROOF. 
          IT'S IN A P COLOR AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING MORE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE BODY COLORS, WHERE SOMETHING MORE BROWNISH OR, UM, ALONG THOSE LINES WOULD BE, UH, WOULD COMPLIMENT THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE A LITTLE BETTER. 
          AND THEN THEY ARE PROPOSING A CRAFTSMAN STYLE LANTERN, UH, BY EACH OF THE, UH, DOORS THERE, THE FRONT AND THE BACK DOORS. 
          THE, UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING CANOPY IN THE BACK, AND WE TALKED BEFORE ALSO A SOMEWHAT OF A FLAT ROOF PORTION THAT WOULD BE REPLACED BY A NEW SMALLER CANOPY AND A MANSARD ROOF TO ADD HEADROOM AND IMPROVE THE, UH, APPEARANCE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND THAT NORTH SIDE IS THE ADDITION, AS SMALL AS THE HOUSE IS, THAT THAT PART WAS AN ADDITION. 
          SO IT HAS A CONCRETE BLOCK, JUST A PLAIN CONCRETE BLOCK FOUNDATION WHERE AS THE SOUTH SIDE HAS THE MORE TRADITIONAL ROCK FACE BLOCKS. 
          SO THEY ARE PROPOSING A, A VENEER PRODUCT THAT WOULD COVER THE, 
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UH, CONCRETE BLOCK TO TRY TO MIMIC THE REST OF THE BLOCK. 
          SO AS LONG AS THAT'S ONLY ON THE, UH, NEW WORK PORTION, UH, STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT APPROACH. 
          AND THEN THE SHED THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM A PICTURE OF THE PREVIOUS GARAGE THAT USED TO BE THERE. 
          UH, THE SHED IS THE SAME MATERIAL, SAME COLORS AS THE, UH, HOUSE ITSELF. 
          IT WOULD HAVE A SMALL GOOSENECK LAMP RIGHT ABOVE THE, UH, SOUTH ELEVATION AND A SLIDING DOOR ON THE WEST ELEVATION, MORE LIKE BARN DOORS. 
          AND THE ONLY SUGGESTION THERE, OTHER THAN THE ROOF, AGAIN, MATCHING THE, THE HOUSE IS, UH, UH, POSSIBILITY OF EXPOSING THE RAFTERS TO BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THAT CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND YOU COULD SEE THE PREVIOUS GARAGE HAD THAT LOOK THERE AS WELL. 
          AND THEN IN THIS CASE, THE, UH, PATIO MATERIAL IS A, A CONCRETE PAVER WITH A, A CONTRASTING COLOR FOR THE EDGING AROUND IT. 
          AND THE PATIO WOULD BE SURROUNDED BY A PICKET FENCE, UH, WOULD PICKET FENCE THAT WOULD BE PAINTED, UH, FORGED GREEN COLOR, WHICH IS THE SAME COLOR AS THE, UH, UH, LATTICE UNDERNEATH AND THE HANDRAILS. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, UNIFIES ALL OF THE, UH, BUILDINGS TOGETHER WITH THE LANDSCAPING. 
          IN THIS CASE, THEY ARE ADDING SOME, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE, UH, FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AND THE PLANTINGS AROUND THE PATIO, THEY ARE PROVIDING THREE ORNAMENTAL TREES, UH, JUST SOUTH OF THE PLAZA. 
          WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT THEY CONSIDER SHADE TREES HERE. 
          IT MAY, UH, THERE IS, UH, SOME SOIL VOL VOLUME THERE THAT, UH, MIGHT HELP, UH, ALLOW THOSE TREES TO GROW AND PROVIDE SOME SHADE TO ALL THE PAVEMENT, UH, IN FRONT OF IT. 
          THE LIGHTING, AGAIN, UH, BOTHERS. 
          WE'D LIKE TO DEFER. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, PATIO AND PORCH FURNITURE, UH, WITH SAME COMMENT ABOUT THE FADE RESISTANT UMBRELLA. 
          SO ALL OF THIS FURNITURE YOU'LL SEE IT'S MORE MODERN, BUT IT KIND OF BLENDS THE, UH, CURRENT USES WITH THE, UH, WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE, UH, BUILDING. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, WITH FIBERGLASS DOORS, SAME, SAME, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT THOSE. 
          AND THEN THE RE UH, SETBACK, WE BELIEVE THAT ALL THE CRITERIA ARE MET AND A COUPLE ARE NOT APPLICABLE. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, GREAT ART, THE ONES THAT WERE RE UH, RELEVANT TO THE OTHER ONES. 
          SO, UM, NUMBER ONE IS CONSISTENT AMONG ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, NUMBER THREE IS THE SIGHT LINING ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY BEING COORDINATED WITH THE CITY. 
          NUMBER SIX IS THE ADDITIONAL TREES, UH, IDEALLY ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET TO MAKE UP FOR STREET TREES. 
          SEVEN IS THE, UH, COMMENT ABOUT THE DOOR OPTIONS WITH THE SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT. 
          EIGHT IS THE ITEM WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE EVIDENCE OF DETER DETERIORATION. 
          UM, 11 IS ONE I FORGOT TO MENTION WITH THE DOOR AT 37 NORTH RIVERVIEW. 
          UM, THE SPECS INDICATE THAT WOULD BE A CLASSIC WHITE COLOR. 
          UM, IT SEEMS LIKE CLASSIC WHITE WOULD BE A LITTLE STARK RELATIVE TO ALL THE OTHER COLORS. 
          AND SO CONSISTENT WITH THE PRE-APPROVED COLOR SCHEME, YOU TYPICALLY IN THAT, UM, ERA, THE WINDOW SESSION, THE DOORS WERE THE SAME COLORS. 
          SO WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT THE DOOR BE IRON OR TO MATCH THE WINDOWS WITH 37. 
          THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF, EXCUSE ME, ALTERNATE ALTERNATE COLORS FOR THE PERGOLA AND THE ROOFS THERE AT 53, UH, BEING MORE BROWNISH AND 45 IF THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PUTTY, UH, THE FABRIC FOR THE UMBRELLAS, AND THEN THE, UH, ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY HISTORIC DETAILS. 
          SO WITH THAT, MIGHT AS WELL JUST JUMPS, UH, TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLAN, REVIEW CRITERIA, WHICH WE BELIEVE ARE ALL MET, MET WITH THE REZONING, OR MET WITH THE WAIVERS AND CONDITIONS. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE THE, UH, AND, AND THIS IS THE REST OF THEM THERE. 
          AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM UH, PLANNING IS APPROVAL OF THE TWO WAIVERS AND APPROVAL WITH THE, UH, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THOSE 11, UH, 14 CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL DONE. 
          IT'S, UH, A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON INSIDE OF THAT. 
          SO, UH, IF WE THINK ABOUT THE WEST SIDE FOR THEM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CLEAR ANYTHING THAT WE WANT TO CLARIFY FOR, FOR THEM ON THAT? I, I JUST WANNA SHARE, I HAVE SEEN THAT DONE BEFORE, NOT 
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NECESSARILY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          I I, BUT I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHTER ROOF WITH THE DARKER BODY. 
          AND I DID, I, I ACTUALLY, I SAW QUITE A FEW OF THEM AND I THOUGHT IT LOOKED OKAY, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT I'VE SEEN IT IN HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          IT WASN'T HISTORIC DISTRICT, ALTHOUGH THE HOUSES MAY HAVE BEEN HISTORIC. 
          HILLARY, ANYTHING MIKE? NOPE. 
          GOOD. 
          ONLY HAVE JUST ONE. 
          JUST 'CAUSE ON 37. 
          JUST AS A CONDITION. 
          I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE DROP. 
          THERE'S A, THERE'S THE DROP SITE, THERE'S THE ONE SPOT THAT HAS A WHAT, A DIFFERENTIAL SIDING ON THERE THAT I THINK IT WAS A DROP SIDING AND DO, IF IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, IF IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED AND PUT BACK ON. 
          SHOULD WE MAKE THAT, WE WANNA PUT THAT AS THE SAME. 
          'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, AS YOU SAID, AND I THINK IN YOUR, IN YOUR REPORT, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN THAT CHARACTER. 
          RIGHT? IF I REMEMBER THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT THERE IS A CERTAIN CHARACTER THERE THAT, UH, WE'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN, EVEN IF IT HAS TO BE REPLACED. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE NEED TO PUT THAT ON? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY ESPECIALLY, AND THE SAME WITH THE HALF ROUND GUTTERS TOO. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT IT, IS IT SIT INSIDE OF EIGHT OR DOES IT NEED TO BE SPELLED UP FOR YOU? IS IT, IS IT CLEAR ENOUGH IN HERE OR CLEAR ENOUGH FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT TOO THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS DONE? I, I THINK THE RESTORATION IS AGAIN, EM EMBEDDED IN THEIR, UH, APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IT GOT TO A POINT WHERE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE 30 CONDITIONS, BUT, UH, NO, IT'S OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE FOR ME, THAT, THAT FOR ME, YOU'VE SAID IT UH, TWICE IN THERE. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS CAPTURED THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THAT'S, UH, IT FEELS LIKE AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THAT HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS LEFT FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY, ANY FOLLOW UP THAT WE WANT? BECAUSE I JUST HAD LIKE, I I I TWO GEN GENERAL QUESTIONS, IF WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A SPECIFIC QUESTION ON MASS AND ARCHITECTURE AT THE MOMENT. 
          UM, SO ONE, JUST ONE WAS ON THE RESTAURANT, UH, FROM A SQUARE FOOTAGE STANDPOINT, IT, UH, FROM A 3,500, IT'S GONNA BE, DEPENDING ON HOW IT COMES OUT, IT'S GONNA BE 4,500. 
          LET'S JUST CALL IT LIKE THAT. 
          THERE'S NO, IS THERE A MAXIMUM ANYWHERE IT SAYS THAT WE CAN, WE, THE BOARD CAN APPROVE THAT UP TO, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO LIMIT THERE OF WHAT CAN BE APPROVED. 
          I READ THROUGH THE CODE AND I WAS UNSURE THAT THE RESTAURANT'S NOT THAT BIG. 
          WHAT'S THAT? THE RESTAURANT'S, WHAT? TWO THOU? THE RED HOUSE IS 2000 EXPANSION OF LIKE 600. 
          WHAT'S THE EXPANSION? 500? I THINK IT'S ENDED UP BEING LIKE 2,600 SQUARE FEET. 
          BUT THEN THE, THE WITH THE, WITH THE DECK COUNTED. 
          OH, WITH THE DECK. 
          WITH THE DECK. 
          I MEAN, 'CAUSE THAT'LL BE A DRINKING AND NEEDING ESTABLISHMENT I THINK. 
          RIGHT? SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THERE'S NO, AFTER I READ THROUGH THAT IT SAYS THAT THE BOARD CAN GRANT MORE. 
          I JUST WANT TO, WE'RE WE'RE OPEN TO GRANT AS MUCH AS SEE GIVES, SEE APPLICABLE THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE INTENT IS TO NOT DO ENORMOUS SURE. 
          RESTAURANTS, I THINK IN THIS CASE, IT UH, LEAVES IT UP TO YOUR DISCRETION BECAUSE WITH THE INTENT OF THE WHOLE PROJECT AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO AREAS ALONG THE RIVER AND THOSE TYPES OF, UH, OPEN, UM, PATIOS AND CANOPY WERE EMBODIED IN THAT. 
          SO WE FELT THAT, UH, YOU NEED TO HAVE A STRONG REASON WHY YOU'RE DEVIATING. 
          AND WE FELT THAT THAT, UH, WAS A GOOD REASON THAT IT'S THE OPEN AREA. 
          I'M GOOD WITH THE REASON. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T SOMEWHERE THAT I WAS READING THROUGH THE CODE AND THERE WAS A 20 PER SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I, I COULDN'T FIND IT. 
          BUT THE LANGUAGE TALKS ABOUT 3,500 SQUARE FEET FOR EATING AND DRINKING ESTABLISHMENTS UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE BOARD. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT FOR ME, THAT'S ALL IT SAYS. 
          SO THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE IT SITS. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN FOR ME IT'S GOOD. 
          I'M, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT, WITH THE SIZE AND THEN JUST THE ONE LEFT MAYBE OVER HERE. 
          CERTAINLY WE TALKED A BIT ABOUT TRASH. 
          UH MM-HMM. 
          , I DON'T KNOW. 
          I KEEP HARDER FOR ME TO KEEP TRACK WHICH ONE BUT A FEW TIMES AGO. 
          SO ALL OF THE TRASH WILL END UP ON THE SOUTH SIDE FROM THE, FROM THE, I MEAN IF I TALK ABOUT THE STUFF ON THE EAST SIDE, THE TRASH FROM THE RESTAURANT WILL END UP IN, TO BE PICKED UP IN THAT SPOT. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT HOW YOU ENVISION IT? WELL, I ENVISIONED IT THERE AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR, WHAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE IS WE OWN THE CURRENT NORTH HIGH AND THE CURRENT COAX, WHICH HAS THE CURRENT TRASH BIN BEHIND IT. 
          SO WE PLAN ON UTILIZING BOTH OF THOSE FACILITIES WITH DIFFERENT FREQUENCY OF PICKUP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'LL EITHER BE AT THE CURRENT EXISTING ONE OR THE NEW ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA ENCLOSE IT IN AREAS THAT YOU ALREADY OWN IN SOME, SOME WAY. 
          THERE'S ALREADY ONE THAT'S ENCLOSED BEHIND KATCH, WHICH WE WILL USE. 
          WE JUST ONLY PICK UP THREE DAYS A WEEK. 
          WE WILL INCREASE THE FREQUENCY OF PICKUP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE WILL ALSO USE THE ONE THAT'S BEING BUILT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          BOTH WILL BE HIDDEN. 
          YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE 'EM CLEAR. 
          JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU, YOU, YOU MANEUVER THAT AND I THINK HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE NOW TO PICK IT UP. 
          SO I THINK IT'S GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WHERE YOU HAVE IT TOO HAS THE LEAST IMPACT ON THE 
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OVERALL LOOK RIGHT. 
          BEING THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          I KNOW YOU DO. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO HAS ANYBODY HAVE, I MEAN OVERALL ANY MA ANY FINAL LANDSCAPE, ANYTHING? ANYBODY HAVE ANY FINAL QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? I THINK WE'VE TALKED THIS TO, UH, KIND TO THE WHOLE THING. 
          GOOD. 
          WELL, I, PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK TO BE SURE. 
          NONE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          UM, AND JUST MAYBE ONE COMMENT. 
          'CAUSE AS WE THINK ABOUT FIBERGLASS DOORS, CERTAINLY AS WE MAKE THIS WAIVER, THIS WILL SET, THIS HAS A CERTAIN USE THAT'S CLEAR OF A FIBERGLASS DOOR, BUT CLEARLY IT'S HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT WE'RE GONNA GET FIBERGLASS DOORS. 
          SO I GUESS WE'LL END, THAT'LL END UP ON A PR A MATERIAL LIST. 
          WE, WE WILL UPDATE THE MATERIAL LIST. 
          'CAUSE NOW IT WILL HAVE BEEN BY WAIVER, APPRO BY WAIVER, UH, USED. 
          SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS IT WILL BE ADDED INTO YOUR ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL DOCUMENT, UM, AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. 
          AND IT WILL STILL REQUIRE A WAIVER SURE. 
          FOR USE. 
          AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THE EXACT LOCATION AND THE USE FOR IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          I THINK ON THAT ONE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I THINK FOR ME, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          BUT IT CER IT HAS AN ALTERNATE USE THAT MAY NOT BE A HOU, MAY NOT BE A HISTORIC HOUSE USE. 
          SO I THINK I FEEL GOOD. 
          I FEEL GOOD FOR ITS REASON HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THIS IS A UNIQUE USE. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS NOT JUST SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL PRIVATE HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I GUESS EVERYBODY WITH THE FOUR, THE ONE YARD SETBACK, NOBODY HAS A CONCERN QUESTION THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          ALL RIGHT, LET'S START THIS. 
          I MOVE TO APPROVE A WAIVER FOR USE OF FIBERGLASS DOORS. 
          UM, IF TRUE SIMULATED DI DIVIDED LIGHTS ARE AVAILABLE AT 37 45, 53 AND 62 NORTH RIVER VIEW STREET. 
          SECOND. 
          MR. JEWEL. 
          YES. 
          MS. PAT MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COOPER? YES. 
          MS. DAMER? YES. 
          MR. KOTTER? YES. 
          MOTION NUMBER TWO. 
          I CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. 
          UH, MAKE A MOTION APPROVE OF THE WAIVER TO ALLOW OUR FOUR FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK FOR THE SHED AT 53 NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET. 
          SECOND. 
          MS. COOPER? YES. 
          MS. PAT MCDANIEL? YES. 
          MR. JEWEL? YES. 
          MS. DAMER? YES. 
          MR. KOTTER? YES. 
          AND MAYBE JUST BEFORE WE GO WITH THE LAST MOTION, YOU, YOU SAW THE CONDITIONS. 
          I DON'T THINK WE AMENDED ANYTHING FROM, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. 
          YOU'RE ALL, YOU'RE ALL GOOD WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS WE'RE IN THERE. 
          WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING, DID WE? SO, NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE GOOD WITH ALL THAT? GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THE COLORS. 
          EXCUSE. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH EVERYTHING. 
          I'M ALL GOOD WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS WE HAVE. 
          SO I THINK, UH, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS A SO CAN WE YEAH, NO, I'M GOOD. 
          IF SOMEBODY HAS ANOTHER, ANOTHER CONDITION WE WANT, I THINK WE CAN. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          CAN I MOVE TO APPROVE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH CONDITIONS? I WILL SECOND IT. 
          MR. CHU? YES. 
          MS. COOPER? YES. 
          MS. DAMER? YES. 
          MR. KOTTER? YES. 
          THIS IS PAT MCDANIEL. 
          YES. 
          CONGRATULATIONS AND EVERYBODY, GOOD WORK TO EVERYBODY ON THAT ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. 
          I THINK, UH, THANK THE TEAM AS WELL. 
          THE ONLY, I LOVE SEEING BAIN'S PRESENTATION, BUT THE ONLY NEGATIVE PART ABOUT IT, I'M OVERWHELMED BY HOW MUCH WORK WE HAD LEFT TO DO FOR ALL TO THE NEXT TWO YEARS, BUT, UH, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. 
          WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO AND WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE GREAT. 
          SO THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. 
          YEAH, IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. 
          IT'S GOOD. 
          UH, I I WANTED TO ALSO MAYBE JUST QUICKLY SAY A COUPLE WORDS. 
          IT'S, IT, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING WITH A LOT OF FOLKS INVOLVED, A LOT OF CITY DEPARTMENTS, A LOT OF, UH, THE, THE ATCH TEAM APPRECIATE ALL OF SARAH'S HELP AS I'M GETTING MORE AND MORE, UH, FAMILIAR WITH THE, UH, DUBLIN HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UH, BUT ALSO WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE MITCH AM AMEN WHO'S HERE. 
          AND HIS PICTURE IS ALSO ON THE SCREEN BECAUSE HE IS WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND WE HAVE A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH THE CONSULTANTS AND OTHERS. 
          HE'S BEEN HELPING TREMENDOUSLY WITH ORGANIZING ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS AND KEEPING US ALL ON TRACK. 
          SO, AND HE EVEN CAME HERE TONIGHT, SO APPRECIATE IT. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, 
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ORDER OF BUSINESS IS, UH, MEETING DATES. 
          YES. 
          WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR YOU AND YOU HAVE THE PRINTED VERSION OF THE 25 26 MEETING DATES IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          AND WE WOULD NEED A VOTE ON THAT, PLEASE, 
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EVERYBODY, MORE OR LESS, UH, MAKE WINSTON, I I JUST HAD ONE COMMENT ON THE DATE, UH, FOR OCTOBER. 
          UM, WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT MAKING THAT OCTOBER 22ND, UH, ONLY BECAUSE NEXT YEAR, I THINK HALLOWEEN FALLS ON FRIDAY AND WE DON'T HAVE TRICK OR TREAT ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY. 
          THEY ALWAYS HAVE IT AHEAD OF TIME. 
          I BELIEVE SO. 
          IT'LL BE ON THURSDAY. 
          IT'S USUALLY WHAT THEY DO A AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE REAL DAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT, BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT FIVE WEEKS FOR THAT ONE AND THEN ONLY THREE WEEKS FOR THE NEXT ONE, WHEREAS IF WE HAD MOVED IT UP TO THE 22ND THEN WE'D BE AT FOUR WEEKS. 
          FOUR WEEKS. 
          FOUR WEEKS. 
          SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WORKS FOR ME. 
          I HAD ONE QUALM ABOUT THE, UH, BACK TO BACK MEETINGS THAT ARE RIGHT BEFORE THE STATE FAIR STARTS. 
          AND AS YOU KNOW, MY LIFE IS DEDICATED TO THE STATE FAIR. 
          STATE FAIR OPENS ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 23RD. 
          UM, SO WITH BACK TO BACK MEETINGS, AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE I'D HAVE TO MISS, IF NOT BOTH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I STILL MIGHT HAVE TO MISS BOTH. 
          WE CAN'T CHANGE THE 22ND. 
          RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY ACCEPTED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I JUST CAN'T COMMIT TO IT RIGHT NOW. 
          . 
          YEAH, I'M SURE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOME SUCH. 
          I'LL, I'LL READ THE NOTES. 
          I'LL TAKE THE NOTES. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL I WON'T BE HERE ON THE 23RD. 
          I'LL BE IN ITALY IN APRIL FOR MY DAUGHTER'S WEDDING, BUT I'M SURE YOU CAN ALL RECEIVE WITHOUT ME. 
          ENJOY, WE'LL OVERCOME. 
          WELL ACTUALLY NOW WE MIGHT HAVE FOR THE 23RD, YOU NOW HAVE TWO PEOPLE MISSING. 
          NO, FOR APRIL 23RD. 
          APRIL. 
          OH, APRIL 23RD. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          NEVERMIND. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL TRADE YOU. 
          I'LL BE HERE FOR YOUR MEETING. 
          YOU BE HERE FOR. 
          SO SARAH, I MEAN, AS LONG AS WE DON'T THINK IT INTERFERES WITH A, A HOLIDAY SO TO SPEAK, THEN I THINK I I MEAN IT'S, PEOPLE WILL MISS, RIGHT? I MEAN THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP. 
          SO I MEAN UNLESS, UH, UNLESS WE ALL SOMEHOW SEE WHERE ALL, ALL OF US AREN'T GONNA BE HERE FOR ONE DAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN, HUH? IT'S A FINE LINE. 
          TRYING TO THREAD ALL OF THE DIFFERENT USES FOR THIS PARTICULAR ROOM, PLUS ALL OF THE OTHER ACTIVITIES IN THE CITY AND YEAH. 
          . 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I MEAN WE, WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO OFFICIALIZE THIS, PLEASE. 
          YEP. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          SO ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK AT WHETHER WE COULD GO TO THE 22ND IN OCTOBER? WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          UM, THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER CONFLICTS, SO I CANNOT SAY TONIGHT. 
          UM, BUT WE WILL, I HAVE NOTED THAT AND WE CAN LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S AN OPTION TO DO THAT. 
          SO IF WE APPROVE THIS, WE'LL JUST MAKE AN, WE MENTION SOMETHING. 
          WE STILL CHANGE. 
          YEP. 
          I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR APPROVAL NEXT MONTH ANYWAY. 
          DID I MISS THAT? IT'S FOR APPROVAL THIS MONTH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          YES. 
          LET'S JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          IF WE HAVE TO AMEND SOMETHING, WE'LL DO THAT. 
          SO IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT NEXT YEAR'S? UH, YEAH, I GUESS NEXT YEAR'S SCHEDULE. 
          OH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT NEXT YEAR'S 25, 26 SCHEDULE. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          MS. DAMER? YES. 
          MS. COOPER? YES. 
          MS. PAT MCDANIEL? YES. 
          MR. JOEL? YES. 
          MS. COTTER? YES. 
          OR MR. COTTER? YES. 
          SORRY, SARAH, JUST MAYBE ON THE FRONT, UH, ORGAN, UH, IT SAYS AN ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING. 
          I DIDN'T, ON THIRD ONE DOWN ON THE FRONT PAGE, IS THAT A, IS THAT A DIFFERENCE? IT'S JUST FOR ELECTION OF OFFICER. 
          IS WE THIS NORMALLY DO THIS OUR NORMAL MEETING THAT'S INSIDE OF OUR NORMAL MEETING. 
          CLEAR? YES. 
          WHERE YOU, UM, RETIRE FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN RECONVENE AND ELECT OFFICERS? YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          [COMMUNICATIONS]
UH, LITTLE COUPLE, LITTLE COMMUNICATIONS. 
          AN UPDATE FROM CITY COUNCIL ON OUR LATEST CODE AND GUIDELINES UPDATES. 
          AND THE CODE WAS APPROVED AT SECOND READING THIS PAST MONDAY AND THAT BECOMES EFFECTIVE ON THE 18TH OF DECEMBER. 
          SO THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THERE ARE NO LONGER ANY 20% WAIVER CAPS AND WE NOW HAVE MANY MORE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS AND JUST SOME MINOR CHANGES. 
          THE, UM, INCREASE IN TIME FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS. 
          SO ALL, ALL GOOD THINGS THERE. 
          THE GUIDELINES WERE ALSO APPROVED LAST MONDAY AND THEY ARE EFFECTIVE RIGHT NOW AND SHOULD BE ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          UM, NEXT MONTH I WILL HAVE PRINTED COPIES OF THE NEW CODE AND THE NEW GUIDELINES FOR YOU. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          AND IT'S ALSO TIME TO START THINKING ABOUT THE ANNUAL REPORT. 
          SO, 
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UM, MS. PAT MCDANIEL, WE WILL NEED A LITTLE BIOGRAPHY, JUST A PARAGRAPH OR TWO ABOUT WHY YOU ENJOY SERVING ON THE A RB AND IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT IN THE NEXT MONTH. 
          'CAUSE THOSE, ALRIGHT, FABULOUS. 
          THAT'S WONDERFUL. 
          IF ANYBODY WANTS TO UPDATE OR TWEAK THEIR BIO, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. 
          JUST EMAIL ME SOMETHING AND WE CAN SUBSTITUTE THAT OUT. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ASK FOR TONIGHT IS A PHOTO SO THAT WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE ANNUAL REPORT. 
          WE'RE STARTING TO PUT THAT DOCUMENT TOGETHER NOW. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAD TO REPORT. 
          SARAH, JUST MAYBE ONE QUICK, YOU AND, AND IT IS JUST A QUESTION. 
          YOU PUT THE, I THINK IT'S SOME SUSTAINABILITY. 
          YOU PUT THAT KIND OF, UH, DOCUMENT IN THERE ABOUT SUSTAINABLE HISTORIC HOUSES INSIDE OF OUR DOC. 
          YES. 
          IT WAS ATTACHED IN, IN AS A SEPARATE DOCUMENT TO READ ABOUT POTENTIAL. 
          YES. 
          PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT HAVING TO USE THE OLD MATERIALS WHEN THEY WANT TO, UH, IMPROVE, UH, UH, EFFICIENCY, ENERGY EFFICIENCY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          IT IS ONE OF THE NEWER, UM, PARK SERVICE BULLETINS THAT WAS, I THOUGHT, VERY TIMELY BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH RIVERVIEW VILLAGE AND CERTAINLY THE AUCTION HOUSES. 
          UM, AND JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. 
          YEP. 
          GOING FORWARD. 
          SO FOR ME, JUST A QUESTION 'CAUSE I SAW YOU AND I GUESS YOU HIGHLIGHTED THIS, THE PART THAT HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW CAME FROM THAT WAS FROM THE STAFF, I THINK. 
          YES. 
          SO YOU'LL START TO USE THAT AS A BIT OF A RUBRIC TO TELL PEOPLE IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          START HERE AND KEEP, CONTINUE TO PUSH DOWN THE PATH BEFORE YOU COME WITH A REQUEST TO CHANGE A HISTORIC MATERIAL. 
          THAT'S KIND OF HOW YOU'LL, YOU'LL USE THAT. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          AND AND IT'S ALSO FOR YOU TO HAVE SOME MORE BACKING ABOUT YOUR DECISION MAKING. 
          SURE. 
          YEP. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THAT. 
          GOOD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO IF READY FOR A PHOTO, MAYBE WE ADJOURNED. 
          AND THEN HAVE, DO WE WANNA AJO PHOTO WE FIRST DOT? ANYBODY? UH, SO ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANNA, NOTHING ELSE. 
          AND I SAY WE STAND ADJOURNED.
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