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I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO MS. BEAL.
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[Case #24-102AFDP]
WITH CASE 24 DASH 0 1 0 2 A F TWO P.THIS IS CONSTRUCTION OF, UH, 3065 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ADDITION AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE APPROXIMATELY 15 AND A HALF ACRE SITE IS ZONED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, PUD MIDWESTERN AUTO GROUP, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTIONS, INTERSECTION OF PERIMETER DRIVE AND PERIMETER LOOP DRIVE.
I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO OUR APPLICANT.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE TURN ON THE MICROPHONE, IT IS CURRENTLY ON.
MY NAME IS BRAD PARIS WITH CHAR ARCHITECTS 49 EAST THIRD, UH, AVENUE.
UM, I'M, I'M HERE AGAIN IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, FOR FURTHER SORT OF EXPANSION ON THE MAG CAMPUS HERE.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO DO A LITTLE OVER 3000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, SERVICE ADDITION TO THE RECENTLY COMPLETED, UH, FERRARI SHOWROOM.
UM, SINCE 2020 WHEN THAT WAS COMPLETE.
UM, THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASED DEMAND ON SERVICE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.
UM, SO I'LL WALK YOU BRIEFLY THROUGH IT AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
SO, OBVIOUSLY THIS, UH, THE EXISTING FACILITIES IN SUB AREA A OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE ORIGINAL 7,000 SQUARE FOOT FERRARI, UH, SHOWROOM.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SIMPLY ADDING TO THE SOUTH OF THIS IN THE, UH, PARKING LOT AREA.
UM, LOOKING TO NOT DISTURB THE, UH, FRONT FACADE AND ALL THAT RELATIONSHIP IN THIS APPLICATION.
UM, HERE'S JUST THE GENERAL FOOTPRINT.
UH, IT IS, IT IS IN A SENSE THE ADDITION, UH, MATCHES THE, UH, ELEVATION HEIGHT, UM, AND YOU KNOW, OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
AND WE'LL ADD FIVE SERVICE BATHES WITH SOME PARTS, UH, STORAGE AND SOME, UH, ANCILLARY SPACE FOR THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT SHOWING KIND OF A ROOF PLAN HERE, HOW WE INTEND TO, UH, SCREEN, UH, ANY NEW MECHANICALS THAT ARE, UM, NEEDED FOR THE BUILDING.
UM, LIKE MOST OF THE MAG BUILDINGS, THE FRONT OF THE FRONT OF THE EVERY FACILITY TYPICALLY
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HAS A, YOU KNOW, PRIMARY MATERIAL.AND THEN NEAR THE SERVICE, THERE'S A SECONDARY MATERIAL WE'RE DOING FOLLOWING THAT SAME KEYNOTE.
THE FRONT PART OF THIS IS MAINLY A LUON OR METAL PANEL ON THE FRONT PATH.
ON THE, ON THE SERVICE, WE ARE GONNA DO, UH, THE SPLIT FACE ON THE BASE WITH A STUCCO EFIS FINISH, UM, AROUND THE SERVICE AREA.
WE, UM, THE SHOWROOMS OF A FERRARI, OR THE SERVICE AREA OF A FERRARI IS A LITTLE BIT MORE HIGH END.
SO WE DID, UM, SELECT TO DO THE SORT OF ALL GLASS, UH, DOORS ON THE INSIDE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE OPERATING ROOMS FOR THESE VEHICLES.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE HIGHER END, UM, AND KIND OF PLAYS IN WITH THE REST OF THE GLASS BOX THAT WE HAVE SHOWN.
AND THESE ARE JUST SOME AXONS, UM, AROUND THE FACILITY.
UM, I WOULD SAY THE BIG, THE BIG THING, THIS IS A, A BIG UNDERTAKING FOR, UH, MAG IN THAT THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS PROJECT IS WE HAVE TO RELOCATE THE ELECTRIC SERVICE THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY.
SO IT'S A BIG COMMITMENT FOR MAG FINANCIALLY TO ADD THESE, UH, BASE.
BUT GIVEN THEIR CURRENT SITE, THEY, THEY REALLY NEED TO INCREASE THIS, UH, THE SERVICE, UH, CAPABILITIES FOR THE CAMPUS AND THEIR CU CUSTOMERS.
THERE IS A LOT OF UNDERGROUND UNDER HERE, UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY UTILITIES TO UNDERGROUND STORAGE.
SO WE HAD TO BE VERY STRATEGIC IN THE, IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING.
AND REALLY KIND OF THE, THE PARKING WE'RE STILL MEETING OUR PARKING DEMAND OVERALL FOR THE WHOLE CAMPUS.
WE WENT, MADE SURE THAT WE WERE STILL MEETING THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE, UH, JUST KIND OF RELOCATING, PROVIDING SOME SCREENING WHERE THE NEW TRANSFORMER, UM, RELOCATED TRANSFORMER IS, UM, AS FROM THE LANDSCAPING.
SO PRETTY SIMPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, REQUEST HERE, UM, IN, IN, IN ADDING THIS SERVICE DEPARTMENT.
SO WITH THAT, I WON'T KEEP ANY, ANY LONGER AND I ANSWER, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
AND WE WILL DO QUESTIONS JOINTLY.
MS. ROUSH, I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU.
SO, MR. PARRISH A NICE JOB OF REVIEWING SOME OF THE DETAILS.
SO I'LL MAYBE SKIP THROUGH SOME OF THE SLIDES JUST TO KEEP IT BRIEF.
BUT, UM, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS AMENDED FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THIS HAS BEEN THROUGH, UH, THE COMMISSION FOR THE VARIOUS STAGES.
SO THIS AMENDMENT, UM, REQUIRED YOUR APPROVAL, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, AGAIN, FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE AND WHAT THE SITE LOOKS LIKE.
UM, IN TERMS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS, UM, AS MR. PARRISH OUTLINED, THIS IS AN ADDITION.
UM, AT THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE BUILDING, IT MEETS ALL THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
UM, THERE WILL BE SOME MINOR SITE MODIFICATIONS IN TERMS OF RELOCATING, UM, PARKING SPACES OR REMOVING SPACES, RELOCATING SOME UTILITY PIECES.
BUT ALL OF THAT REMAINS IN COMPLIANCE WITH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I THINK WE NEED ELEVATIONS, UM, AND PERSPECTIVES.
AGAIN, THIS JUST SHOWS THAT THIS IS, UM, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S CURRENTLY OUT THERE.
UM, AND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT MEETS THE REVIEW CRITERIA AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH NO CONDITIONS.
LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHINOOK? I GOT A COUPLE FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT.
IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.
I WAS, UM, ONE QUESTION I HAD WAS, WELL, I HAVE A COUPLE.
SO ON THE, ON THE PARAPET HEIGHT OF THE ADDITION, YOU MENTIONED SCREENING.
I COULDN'T TELL HOW HIGH THAT THE PARAPET IS.
THE, UH, RTUS, LOOKS LIKE THE RTUS EXISTING ARE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK IN THE BUILDING, SO THEY'RE ADEQUATELY SCREENED.
I GUESS MY ONE ONE QUESTION WAS, YOU, ME, YOU MENTIONED POSSIBLE RTUS.
I DON'T, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE LOCATED YET.
ARE THERE GONNA BE RTS THERE? AND, AND DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE PARAPET HEIGHT WOULD ADEQUATELY SCREEN THEM FOR THE ADDITION? AND YOUR MICROPHONE IS, THANK YOU.
UM, YEAH, ACTUALLY, WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING IS THERE A POINT AROUND THIS THOUGH? MAYBE NOT.
SO THERE'S FOUR, UH, WHAT IS IT, THE FOUR UH, UNITS? THE, THE, THE FAR LEFT ONE ON THE PAGE ON THE SOUTHEAST AXON? YES.
THAT ONE'S ACTUALLY THE NEW ONE.
SO, AND SO IN IT, IT WILL BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE EXISTING ONES THAT ARE THERE.
UM, SO I, I, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH SCREENING OF ANY OF THE RTS.
I, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE SUGGESTING THE RTS MIGHT BE ON THE NO, NOT ON THE BIG, NOT ON THE BIG BOX.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE, UM, AROUND THE, UH, FINISHES, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MATCHING PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S EXISTING THERE NOW WITH THE EXISTING ON THE, PARDON? THE INTERRUPT, UH, EXISTING, LIKE AROUND THE CAMPUS, AGAIN, PRIMARY AND SECONDARY MATERIAL.
SO THE BACK OF THE SERVICE AREA OF, LIKE ON THE MAIN
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BUILDING, IT'S THAT STUCCO EFIS FINISH.WE PROBABLY HAVE TO DO E ETHOS THIS TIME WITH, WITH A MORE MODELED STUCCO FINISH, UM, BECAUSE OF, UH, ENERGY COMPLIANCE OF NOW VERSUS WHAT WE DID 10 YEARS AGO.
SO, UM, AND THEN, SORRY, ONE FINAL QUESTION.
WHERE, WHERE ARE THEY, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, ARE THEY NOT SERVICED ON CAMPUS NOW? SO THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL, SO THERE'S ONE BAY IN THE BIG BUILDING.
AND IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO MEET THE DEMANDS, UM, OF THE CUSTOMERS.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, UH, FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU'RE GONNA BE REPLACING THE SIX DEAD, UH, EVERGREENS THAT ARE ALONG THE WAY THERE.
LEMME, I, I JUST WANNA VERIFY TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I SPEAK YEAH.
AND THEN, UM, JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, MY CURIOSITY, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ANY SOLAR PANELS AT ALL? UH, WHEN, WHEN BUILDING THIS AND SO FORTH, WHICH IS, UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY, WE HAVEN'T FOR THIS EDITION.
UM, AND, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF EV THINGS POTENTIALLY COMING DOWN THE ROAD, SO IT'S IN CONJUNCTION.
SO I I I, I MAY BE BACK HERE IN THE FUTURE TO TALK ABOUT SOLAR PANELS AND EV STATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT FOR IT.
SO THERE'S A BIG BIGGER POWER PLAN THAT WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, IN THE BACK, IN THE BACKGROUND.
SO I DON'T, NOT FOR THIS PROJECT, NO.
TO ANSWER SHORTLY, BUT WE ARE, WE HAVE LOOKED INTO IT.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, SO, SO THERE'S NO, UH, SIGNAGE THAT'S NEEDED FOR DIRECTION.
SO IS IT NOT THE CONSUMER THAT'S GOING BEHIND THERE AT ALL? YOU WOULD TAKE THE CAR FROM THAT PERSON AND THEN YES, YOU ARE CORRECT.
ACTUALLY, MOST OF THESE, UH, THE VEHICLES THAT COME GET SERVICED, THEY ACTUALLY GO PICK THEM UP AT THE CUSTOMER'S HOUSE AND BRING 'EM IN.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A TYPICAL WHERE A CUSTOMER DRIVES INTO IT.
UM, EVEN IF A CUSTOMER WAS TO DRIVE IT TO CAMPUS, IT WOULD BE PARKED OUT IN FRONT AND THE TECHS WOULD DRIVE IT INTO THE APPROPRIATE BAY.
UHHUH,
UH, WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, OH, EXCUSE ME,
WE DIDN'T DO DELIBERATION, SO I APOLOGIZE.
UM, NOW LOOKING TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THE DURATION OF THE MEETING OR ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? UH, LOOKING THEN TO THE COMMISSION, UH, MR. GARVIN, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING, UM, AND THE ENTRY INTO THE FACILITY.
SO, UM, I'D BE IN FAVOR, MR. DESLER.
SUPPORT THE APPLICATION MS. HARDER, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS.
WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UH, WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR BEING A GOOD PARTNER TO THE CITY AND CONTINUING TO IMPROVE THIS PARTICULAR AREA THAT'S CRITICAL TO THE VITALITY OF DUBLIN.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND HAVE GOOD EVENING.
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ROUSH, TURNING TIME OVER TO YOU FOR PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT COMMUNICATION.SO I WANTED TO COME BEFORE YOU AND WE INCLUDED A BRIEF MEMO IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, THIS, WE'VE USED THIS TECHNIQUE WITH A RB AND THAT WORKED REALLY WELL FOR US TO COME AND GENERALLY TALK ABOUT SOME UPCOMING CODE AMENDMENTS.
SO WE CAN DETERMINE IF THERE'S INFORMATION YOU NEED, CONCERNS YOU HAVE, THINGS YOU WANT US TO ADDRESS OR ACCOUNT FOR, SO THAT WHEN WE COME BEFORE YOU WITH DRAFT LANGUAGE IN THE FUTURE, THAT WE'RE, UM, SORT OF AHEAD OF THAT CONVERSATION AND CAN HELP, UM, HELP SORT OF EXPEDITE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
SO TONIGHT I JUST AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT FOUR, UM, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD, UM, FOR YOU.
SO, UM, THE CONCEPT PLAN PROCESS AND PROCEDURES THAT WAS INTRODUCED AT THE JOINT WORK SESSION.
SO THIS IS US BRINGING THAT FORWARD FOR YOUR, AGAIN, JUST FOR AWARENESS, TALKING THROUGH WHY WE'RE DOING THAT.
UM, AS WELL AS, UM, THE INNOVATION DISTRICT, SPECIFICALLY DISTRICT ID TWO WITHIN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT AND SOME OF THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS, UM,
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WITHIN THAT DISTRICT THAT WE WANT TO MAKE PROPOSED CHANGES TO.SO BOTH OF THOSE REALLY FALL SORT OF IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY, WHICH I'LL TOUCH ON HERE IN A MINUTE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE TWO OTHER MORE MINOR AMENDMENTS.
ONE IS RELATED TO SPECIAL EVENTS AND HOW WE DEAL WITH TEMPORARY SIGNS.
UM, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE ARE THE ONES DOING THE EVENTS.
UM, WE WANNA JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALIGNING OUR PRACTICE WITH THE CODE.
UM, AND THEN CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, HAD SOME MINOR, UH, AMENDMENTS FOR PUBLIC NUISANCE REGULATIONS JUST TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR FOR THEM WHEN THEY'RE DEALING WITH INDIVIDUALS IN THEIR PROPERTY.
SO, UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE REALLY, UM, WHEN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2023, REALLY FOCUSING ON HOW TO MAKE OUR PROCESS MORE PREDICTABLE, MORE TRANSPARENT, UM, AND HELPING TO REDUCE THAT UNCERTAINTY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
UM, AND HOW CAN WE HELP HELP, UM, MAKE THAT COME TO FRUITION.
SO THE FIRST TWO PROPOSED AMENDMENTS REALLY ALIGN WITH THAT, UM, WITH THAT STRATEGY TOO, WITHIN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH WAS REALLY LOOKING AT PARTICULARLY IN OUR, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR BUSINESS NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE WEST INNOVATION, BRIDGE STREET, UM, AND DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA.
HOW CAN WE HELP, UM, MAKE THAT AS, AS AGAIN, PREDICTABLE, UM, AS POSSIBLE.
SO FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND YOU'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR, UM, WITH OUR PROCESS, BUT JUST A QUICK REFRESHER.
THE CONCEPT PLAN IS ONE OF THE THREE STEPS, UM, RELATED TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND THE CREATION OF THAT, AS WELL AS DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT AND THE MIXED USE REGIONAL DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THEN ALSO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO CONCEPT PLAN'S, THE FIRST STEP, THEN THE PRELIMINARY, THEN THE FINAL, UM, AND CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, THE THAT STEP VARIES.
AND HOW, HOW WE USE A CONCEPT PLAN IS VERY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE DISTRICT THAT YOU'RE IN.
SO IN A PUD THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE WHERE WE'RE BRINGING INFORMATION FORWARD, GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK BEFORE, UM, THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN BRIDGE STREET AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN MUR, UM, THAT'S A DETERMINATION AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW TO, UM, MAKE THOSE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT AND GIVE US THAT OPPORTUNITY AGAIN FOR THERE TO BE THAT NON-BINDING FEEDBACK BEFORE.
THAT WAY THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THIS PROPOSAL, UM, AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.
SO OUR RECOMMENDED APPROACH FOR THAT IS THEN TO REMOVE THAT DETERMINATION, UM, WITHIN THOSE DISTRICTS AND REALLY JUST MAKE THAT ABOUT FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS SO THAT WHEN THEY MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP, THEY HAVE THAT, UM, TO HELP CONTINUE TO REFINE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO THE GOAL OF THAT IS REALLY JUST TO PROVIDE THAT CONSISTENT REVIEW PROCESS.
'CAUSE IT'S ALSO KIND OF CONFUSING FOR APPLICANTS, UM, TO KEEP TRACK OF IN WHAT DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO WHAT STEP.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
UM, WITHIN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF THOSE, UM, LARGELY BECAUSE THAT IS HANDLED THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW TEAM.
UM, AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES WHERE SOMETHING WOULD COME BEFORE YOU, IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE CODE OR THEY NEED SHARED PARKING OR SOME OTHER, UM, APPROVAL, A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, YOU WOULD SEE THAT.
UM, BUT MOST OF THE APPROVALS IN THAT DISTRICT HAPPEN AT THAT A RT LEVEL.
SO WITHIN WEST INNOVATION THERE ARE FOUR DISTRICTS, IDS ONE THROUGH FOUR, UM, THEY ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT, LIKE SIMILAR STANDARDS, BUT THE SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT, WHAT USES ARE PERMITTED DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS LIKE SETBACKS, LOT COVERAGE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND THE INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT REALLY VARIES BY THE DISTRICT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT RESEARCH ID THREE RESEARCH ASSEMBLY, THAT'S OUR MOST SORT OF INTENSE INDUSTRIAL FLEX, UM, DISTRICT.
WHEREAS THEN RESEARCH FLEX IS MORE OF THAT FLEX AREA THAN WE HAVE REALLY PRIMARILY OFFICE.
AND ID ONE, AND THEN ID FOUR AT THE OTHER END IS MORE OF A MIX OF USES.
SO REALLY LOOKING AT HOW TO, AS WE LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD, UM, FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS IN ID TWO SPECIFIC TO THE USES REALLY HINDER THE ABILITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO WANT TO PURSUE A PROJECT IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.
AND WE HAD, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH A SORT OF A PROCESS WITH THE STATE OF OHIO WHERE THEY WERE DOING, UM, SITE READINESS.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG CONVERSATIONS WAS, YOU KNOW, WHY IN, FOR INSTANCE, IN ID TWO IS WAREHOUSING, WHOLESALING, DISTRIBUTION.
WHY IS THAT A CONDITIONAL USE THAT SHOULD JUST BE PERMITTED? UM, AND SO THAT HAS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LOOK AT THE CODE, FIGURE OUT, OKAY, IS THAT REALLY SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THERE'S ALIGNMENT WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT, AND, AND BEING SORT OF AN ADVOCATE AND SUPPORTIVE
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OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WANTS, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AREN'T COMPROMISED.UM, SO WITH THIS APPROACH FOR THIS ID TWO AMENDMENT, WE ARE LOOKING AT MODIFYING THE ID TWO USE, UM, STANDARDS TO CLARIFY THE FLEX OFFICE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IN ID TWO, YOU'RE REQUIRED 30% OFFICE WITHIN, UM, WITHIN THAT DISTRICT, WHICH IS VERY CHALLENGING FOR PEOPLE TO MEET, UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T ALWAYS NECESSARILY NEED THAT MUCH OFFICE.
UM, AND THEN ALLOWING WAREHOUSING, WHOLESALING AND DISTRIBUTION AS A PERMITTED USE.
UM, BUT THEN TO OFFSET, SORT OF, TO USE THAT WORD WOULD BE TO LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND REQUIRE INCREASED SETBACKS.
'CAUSE WITHIN VISION DUBLIN, AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, WE'VE ADDED A NUMBER OF AREAS THAT ARE THAT FLEX INNOVATION DISTRICT, WHICH ARE ADJACENT IN SOME INSTANCES TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO IN PROVIDING AN INCREASED SETBACK AND THEN MUCH MORE ROBUST BUFFERING LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE AREAS, PARTICULARLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO THAT WAY WE CAN, THAT WAS ALSO A PIECE OF FEEDBACK TOO, THAT IF YOU HAVE A REQUIREMENT, JUST SAY WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS AND WE'LL MEET THAT.
LET'S NOT TRY TO GUESS WHAT THAT MIGHT BE.
SO BEING FORTHCOMING, UM, ABOUT THAT AS WELL IN THE CODE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HEARD AS WELL AS WE'VE MET WITH PEOPLE THAT WANNA DEVELOP IN WEST INNOVATION.
SO THAT'S OUR PROPOSED APPROACH FOR THAT.
AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, THE OTHER TWO ARE MUCH MORE MINOR.
UM, SO SPECIAL EVENTS, WE HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ABOUT DURATION, NUMBER OF SIGNS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO WORKING WITH ALLISON AND HER GROUP IN, UM, COMMUNITY EVENTS, REALLY JUST WANTING TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THIS ALIGNS WITH OUR PRACTICE.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALLOWING MORE OR GREATER, IT'S JUST CLARIFYING HOW WE CURRENTLY ARE OPERATING AND, AND BEING IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CODE.
SO THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, AND THEN THE PUBLIC NUISANCE REGULATIONS IS REALLY SOME MINOR CLARIFICATIONS REGARDING PREMISE CONDITIONS.
WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE, UH, APUL OR FURNITURE ON YOUR FRONT PORCH.
THAT SEEMS VERY LOGICAL, BUT THE CODE DOESN'T REALLY OUTRIGHT SAY THAT.
SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S LIKE KIND OF NUANCED PIECES, BUT REALLY AS AN EXAMPLE, LIKE USING THAT AS SOMETHING TO BE REALLY CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, UM, CLEAR HOW PEOPLE MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTY.
AGAIN, MINOR TERMINOLOGY CHANGES FOR THAT.
AND THEN VEHICLE PARKING IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, AND THAT'S REALLY RELATED TO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, UM, AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
WE HAVE STANDARDS, BUT IT'S AGAIN, JUST MAKING, TWEAKING THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, TO BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT COULD BE.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST PART OF THAT IS CURRENTLY IF YOU, WE REQUIRE YOUR TRASH CANS TO BE SCREENED AND THAT CAN HAPPEN IN YOUR GARAGE, BUT THAT CAN ALSO HAPPEN ON THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE AND YOU CAN MEET THAT SCREENING REQUIREMENT WITH LANDSCAPING.
UM, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH THE ADDITION OF, UM, FENCING OR WALL, UM, AS AN OPTION AS OPPOSED TO LANDSCAPING.
SO THAT IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE, IS TO ADD THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO BE A MORE SOLID, UM, YOU KNOW, FENCE OR WALL PROVISION.
SO AT THIS POINT, AGAIN, I'M JUST HERE TO GET ANY INITIAL FEEDBACK CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE WE BRING SOMETHING FORWARD.
IF YOU NEED MAT, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION THAT WOULD HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THIS FURTHER, WE NEED TO BENCHMARK OR RESEARCH, UM, HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO DO THAT.
THINGS FOR US TO CONSIDER AND ANY OTHER THINGS YOU HAVE.
AND, AND TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, UH, SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, TO KIND OF DEBATE OR GO THROUGH AND MAKE, UH, DECISIONS ON THESE ITEMS TONIGHT.
ALL WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS WHAT INFORMATION DOES THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION NEED SO THAT WHEN THESE ITEMS ARE ACTUALLY BROUGHT BACK AS AGENDA ITEMS, WE HAVE ALL THE MATERIAL IN ORDER TO DISCUSS AND, UH, ESSENTIALLY ACTION THESE ITEMS. SO TO, TO SET THE PACE, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT STANDARD TO SET THE PACE.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS, UM, AND, AND I'M DEVIATING FROM THE NORM HERE, UH, ON PUBLIC NUISANCE.
YOU MENTIONED PUBLIC PARKING, UH, SORRY, PARKING IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE MEET WITH PUBLIC SAFETY TO GET FEEDBACK FROM PUBLIC SAFETY ON, UM, OBSTRUCTIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING THAT THEY'VE OBSERVED IN THE PAST TO SEE IF WE NEED TO BROADEN THE SCOPE OF PUBLIC NUISANCE WITH PARKING AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND THEN WITH THE CONSIDERATION, AGAIN, A PUBLIC NUISANCE WITH THE GARBAGE CANS, SPECIFICALLY.
ONE CONCERN OBVIOUSLY IS SCREENING, UH, BUT THERE'S ALSO, WE LIVE IN WILDLIFE.
AND SO IF THERE'S ALSO A CONSIDERATION FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE OF CRITTERS GETTING INTO GARBAGE CANS, A GARAGE DOESN'T, ISN'T REALLY REPLACED BY A FENCE
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OR EVEN SHRUBBERY THAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED.SO IF THERE CAN BE, AGAIN, TALKING TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND GETTING INFORMATION THERE.
AND THEN FINALLY ON THE WAREHOUSING DISTRIBUTION IN THE INNOVATION DISTRICTS, IF WHEN YOU BRING BACK THE CODE, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT PRIMARY USE OF WAREHOUSING VERSUS ANCILLARY USE OF WAREHOUSING, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ADDRESS, HEY, IT NEEDS TO BE 30% OFFICE, BUT IF IT'S 70% OR 75% WAREHOUSE, BUT THAT'S TO SATISFY THE INNOVATION UPFRONT BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING REALLY COOL THINGS WITH ROBOTICS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEIR PRIMARY USE IS THE ROBOTICS.
THEY JUST HAPPEN TO NEED THE WAREHOUSE SPACE.
THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN, I'M A DISTRIBUTION CENTER AND I HAVE OFFICE JUST TO SUPPORT MY STAFF.
INCOME IS DIFFERENT AND THEREFORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT VIABILITY AND THAT SORT OF THING IS DIFFERENT.
SO IF THERE COULD BE SOME INVESTIGATION INTO HOW DO WE ADDRESS NOT JUST PERCENTAGES, BUT PRIMARY AND ANCILLARY USES OF THE BUILDING.
SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, ARE THERE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO LOOK AT AND INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE BROUGHT BACK FOR WHEN WE SEE THESE AGAIN? MR. FESSLER? HEY, UH, JENNY, CAN YOU GO OVER AGAIN? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ON THE FIRST, UH, THE CONCEPT PLAN PIECE, AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CODE, IT'S WEIRD.
I KNOW, IT'S, IT'S CRAZY FOR ME.
UH, SO I KNOW THAT'S NOT PROPOSED, BUT DO YOU JUST HAVE, LIKE, CAN YOU GO JUST HIGH LEVEL AGAIN, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IN SOME PLACES, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE REMOVING AND I I DO RECALL REMOVING ANY KIND OF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CONS PLAN TO ALIGN WITH THE GENERAL CONCEPT PLANS THAT, THAT COME BEFORE US.
IS THAT FAIR? IS IT, IS IT ONLY FOR CERTAIN DISTRICTS THAT THIS IS GONNA BE APPLICABLE TO? SO IT WOULD BE APPLICABLE IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, RIGHT.
AND THAT MUR DISTRICT AND THEN POTENTIALLY WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO RIGHT NOW IN THOSE THREE DISTRICTS, IF SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD WITH A CONCEPT PLAN, IT WOULD EITHER BE COME BEFORE YOU OR A RB DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHICH DISTRICT.
SO YOU'RE APPROVING DISAPPROVING, APPROVING WITH CONDITIONS, A CONCEPT PLAN.
SO, AND THAT WOULD BE TO MOVE ON TO THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PHASE.
THAT'S IN THAT INSTANCE THAT THEN SETS YOU UP FOR THAT.
BUT IN THE PUD DISTRICT, YOU ALSO COME FOR A CONCEPT PLAN.
YOU GET FEEDBACK BASED ON ALL THE SAME CRITERIA THAT YOU WOULD, AND THEY CAN STILL PROCEED TO A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I JUST WANTED TO BE, I WANNA BE CLEAR.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD BE MORE COMPLICATED, BUT
AND THEN, UM, ON THE NUISANCE PIECE, SO ARE WE SAYING NOW I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR THAT, THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE MAY WANT TO PUT UP A, YOU KNOW, SOME SHRUBBERY ON THE SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE BLOCKING, WHO'S IT BLOCKING FROM THE STREET, OR, UH, AN ADJACENT NEIGHBOR OR A NEIGHBOR BEHIND.
BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S ISSUES IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COME UP IN THIS SITUATION WHERE IT'S BLOCKED FROM THE STREET, BUT THEN NEIGHBORS AT CERTAIN ANGLES CAN SEE TRASH.
SO THE WAY THE CODE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN IS THAT, LET'S SEE HERE.
IT'S RECYCLING AND WASTE CONTAINER SHALL BE PLACED INSIDE THE GARAGE OF A RESIDENCE OR TO THE SIDE OR REAR OF THE RESIDENCE THAT IS SHIELDED FROM VIEW OF ANY ADJOINING PROPERTY OCCUPANTS AND ANY STREET BY NATURAL LANDSCAPING BARRIER.
SO I THINK THAT AND BEING MAINTAINED WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT OPACITY YEAR ROUND.
SO THE ISSUE I THINK IS THAT LANDSCAPING TAKES A WHILE TO, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENT AND GROW TO THEN SCREEN.
AND YOU CAN'T, IT'S CHALLENGING 'CAUSE YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THEM.
WHEREAS IF YOU HAD A FENCE WITH A GATE, YOU COULD FULLY ENCLOSE IT AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A GAP IN THE LANDSCAPING.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING NOW IS THAT SOMEBODY CAN BUILD A LITTLE FENCED AREA ON THEIR PROPERTY MM-HMM.
BUT IT WOULD ONLY BE AROUND THE TRASH CAN, SO YOU'RE NOT LIKE BUILDING A FENCE THAT ENCLOSES YOUR BACK.
SO IT'D BE VERY LIMITED TO THE TRASH CAN.
HOW DOES THAT THEN THAT'S WHAT WOULD COME BACK FUTURE.
I KNOW THAT'S, HOW DOES THAT THEN INCORPORATE WITH NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DO NOT ALLOW ANY TYPE OF FENCE
IF YOUR DEED RESTRICTIONS OR YOUR, YOU KNOW, RULES AND REGULATIONS OF YOUR HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION ARE DIFFERENT, THAT'S FOR YOU ALL TO ENFORCE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
WE'D MAKE SURE YOU HAVE TO MEET THE SETBACKS, RIGHT.
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COLOR REQUIREMENTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.I MEAN, WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT.
DOES THIS GO TO OUTTA CURIOSITY, DOES THIS GO TO CODE ENFORCEMENT THEN? IF SOMEBODY, IF I'M A NEIGHBOR AND I SEE SOMEBODY'S TRASH CAN, I CAN CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THEY CAN YOU CAN, YOU CAN USE THE GO DUBLIN APP TOO.
BUT YES, THAT, I MEAN THEY DO
IT'S JUST, I'M JUST, I'M, I'M JUST, JUST FROM A AESTHETIC STANDPOINT, I, I THINK OBVIOUSLY THE GOAL IS TO HAVE IT IN THEIR GARAGE.
AND I JUST WANNA NOTICE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS, WE'RE NOT DEBATING THE I KNOW THE CODE.
I'M JUST, I'M, I'M, I KNOW, I'M, I'M JUST, JUST TRYING TO CONCEPTUALLY GO THROUGH THIS IN MY MIND.
UM, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE A, A CHALLENGE TO HAVE THEN PEOPLE THAT BUILD THESE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD CALL IT, ESSENTIALLY LIKE A TRASH AREA.
EITHER ADJACENT TO OR BEHIND THEIR HOUSE.
THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY MORE OF AN EYESORE.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT DEBATING IT THOUGH, SO I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
SO IN TERMS OF BRINGING SOMETHING BACK, I THINK THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF HOW THAT, UH, WHAT ADDITIONAL AESTHETIC AND PROCESS CONSIDERATIONS NEED TO BE IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE POTENTIAL FENCED AREAS ARE NOT, UM, PROBLEMS IN THEIR OWN RIGHT.
C CAN WE STAY ON THIS TOPIC JUST TO, I I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE SCAP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC NOTICE ITEM.
SO I DON'T WANNA DEBATE THE OH, I DON'T WANNA DEBATE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A CI JUST WANT TO YEAH, IT, IT, WE CAN DIRECT STAFF ON ANY OTHER CLARIFICATIONS OR ITEMS THAT THEY CAN BRING BACK FOR FUTURE DEBATE.
I THINK THAT'S, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S NOT A PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
I, SO MR. WAY, DO YOU HAVE DIRECTION FOR STAFF ON OTHER ITEMS THAT COULD BE HELPFUL WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK AS A CONSIDERATION FOR THE COMMISSION? I WAS GONNA SUGGEST, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN STANDARDS OF HOW YOU LOCATE AND APPROPRIATELY AN ENCLOSURE FOR TRASH? I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN LOOK, LOOK AT THAT.
I MEAN, I, THAT WOULD BE A, A DOCUMENT THAT I THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS THAT, BECAUSE YOU WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT PUD APPLICATION COMES IN.
YOU'D WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE HOW SUCH, SUCH A THING WOULD BE ACCOMMODATED.
JUST LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES RIGHT NOW ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, AIR CONDITIONING UNITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEY HAVE VERY SPECIFIC DIMENSIONS ABOUT SIDE YARDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
YOU COULD SAY IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, THIS DEEP AND THIS WIDE HAS TO BE ATTACHED TO THAT.
YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT COULD BE MM-HMM.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOT THAT WOULD BE TWO AVENUES TO TALK ABOUT THE SUBJECT.
UM, ONE OTHER CONSIDERATION ALONG THE SAME LINES, WE RECENTLY PASSED THE SITE YARD SETBACK ITEMS. SO WE WOULD NEED CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU BRING THIS BACK FOR WHICH TYPES OF SETBACKS WOULD ACCOMMODATE FOR THE RECOMMENDED IN, UH, GARBAGE ENCLOSURE AREA.
I MEAN, EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ITS OWN SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MET.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING, BUT THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK FOR US TO LOOK AND SEE YEAH.
BUT THEN I, I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL TO LOOK AT HOW WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND WHAT ISSUES, TO YOUR POINT, LIKE, DID WE HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WITH THAT, THAT WE DON'T WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T REPEAT? SO THANK YOU.
AND NUMBER TWO, AND YOU, I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, THE, UM, OFF THE SHELF SOLUTION TO SCREENING TRASH RECEPTACLES IS, IS BECOMING KIND OF ENDEMIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE'S THESE PLASTIC FENCES THAT AREN'T VERY SECURED AND THEY'RE ALWAYS LOPSIDED.
AND SO SOMETHING TALKING ABOUT MATERIALS AND, AND WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE AND WHAT'S NOT.
UM, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU CAN RESTRICT THAT TYPE OF FENCING
IT'S NOT GONNA JUST FALL DOWN AND LIKE IF A BIG WIND COMES UP AND THAT'S WHAT THE, THE ONES, THE OFF THE SHELF ONES LOOK LIKE.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, MS. HARDER.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, FOR US TO THINK ABOUT SOME THINGS YOU ALL CAN LOOK AT AND, UM, SO WE'RE NOT BLINDSIDED WHEN WE'RE GETTING HERE AND SO FORTH.
SO ONE IS UNDER THE, UM, SPECIAL EVENTS, IF I WAS READING CORRECTLY, THERE'S, THERE'S NO LIGHTING, UM, UNDER LIKE A CERTAIN SIGNAGE,
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LIKE QUICK SIGNAGE.AND SO MAYBE LOOK INTO MAYBE IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU DO NEED LIGHTING FOR IT, UM, ESPECIALLY EVENING, UM, EVENTS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, PLACING IT PLACES THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN, UM, I GUESS I GET INTO THE NUISANCE, UH, PUBLIC, UH, NUISANCE AND SO FORTH IS WORKING WITH THE HOAS AND THE, AND AND SEEING WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEY HAVE ON, UH, INFORMATION THAT THEY COULD BRING TO THE TABLE AS WELL.
AND TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE INVITED, UM, INDIVIDUALLY TO THIS, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF THAT'S A, IF THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TOO.
THE BEST WAY TO CONNECT IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS BE MORE VISIBLE OUT THERE AND, UM, DIRECT IN THE INFORMATION.
AND THEN, UM, I WAS ALSO THINKING OF, UM, BANNERS.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WOULD FIT IN OR NOT, IF IT WOULD.
AND SO JUST TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, SMELLS AND SO FORTH.
UH, WE, WE LIVE IN A STATE WHERE MARIJUANA IS, UM, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE MARIJUANA AND SO, BUT THE SMELLS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, MAY MAYBE TO THINK ABOUT WITH THAT TOO.
UM, I WAS ALSO THINKING ABOUT, I FORGET WHERE THIS FITS IN, BUT UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GARBAGE CANS, ALSO TALKING ABOUT PARCELS THAT COULD BE COMING TO PEOPLE'S HOMES SINCE WE ARE MOVING AWAY FROM, UH, MAILBOXES, UH, IT COULD, WE THINK ABOUT IF THERE'S A LARGE PARCEL COMING AND PEOPLE MIGHT BE BUILDING THINGS THAT, UM, THEY WANNA KEEP THEM IN.
AND WE MAY HAVE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE BUILDING THINGS THAT MIGHT, UM, TAKE UP SPACE WITH THAT.
SO I WAS THINKING ON THAT REGARD TOO.
MR. CHINOOK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY.
UH, WHEN IT'S, WHEN EACH OF THESE IS BROUGHT BACK, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY DON'T DO.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE PUBLIC NUISANCE TO PICK ON THE GARBAGE CANS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A SLIDE THAT ESSENTIALLY SAYS, HERE'S WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE, JUST BECAUSE THIS CODE, SHOULD IT MOVE FORWARD, UH, DOES MOVE FORWARD, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYBODY CAN GO OUT AND BUILD A FENCE.
WHAT THE PROCESS IS, AND CALLING SPECIFICALLY OUT THAT THE CITY DOESN'T CAR BLANCHE GRANT ALL ACCESS FOR EVERYONE.
WHAT CONSIDERATIONS OUGHT TO BE MET? UH, WITH A DISCLAIMER THAT THE CITY DOESN'T GOVERN HOAS.
DID YOU HAVE ONE MORE THING? MM-HMM,
SO I HAVE, I I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, AGAIN, I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH GOING FROM CONCEPT PLAN TO PRELIM PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THAT, AND I THINK WE JUST HAD AN APPLICATION WHERE, UH, AN APPLICANT CAME IN FOR CONCEPT PLAN, WE GAVE THEM FEEDBACK ON BINDING, AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AT PRELIMINARY AND WE WERE LIKE, THEY WERE LIKE, OH, SURPRISED THAT WE WERE MAKING SUCH KIND OF COMMENTS BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY GOT THE THUMBS UP AT CONCEPT.
AND I THINK I CAN SEE THAT BEING INTERPRETED RIGHT DIFFERENTLY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY THAT THERE'S, IS THERE A WAY TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT, THAT THEY WE CAN GIVE THEM MORE ASSURANCES, NON-BINDING.
UM, BECAUSE AS YOU SAY, THAT'S UH, WHAT DUPLEX
SO CONCEPT IS CRAYONS ON PAPER.
AND THEN WE'RE IMAGINING, AND THEN WE GO TO LIKE DUOS.
EVERY, WELL PRELIMINARY IS PRETTY DETAILED STUFF THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING, UH, PRELIMINARIES, THE DULO, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING BLOCKS, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW THE LOT LAYS OUT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO IT'S THOSE BIGGER, IT'S A BLOCK DIAGRAM, BUT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COMING IN WITH SOME FAIRLY DETAILED PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE BRINGING THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT ITEMS INTO THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT.
AND MAYBE THAT COMMENT IS SOMEWHAT BUILT INTO THIS, THIS COMMENT IS THAT WE'RE GETTING ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS AT DIFFERENT STAGES AND IT, SO IT'S HARD TO, SO MAYBE THERE'S CLARITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS ABOUT THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO BRING, THIS IS WHAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS GONNA COMMENT ON.
AND THE CHALLENGE THOUGH IS THE APPLICANT IS FREE TO BRING THEIR APPLICANT FOR THEIR APPLICATION FORWARD.
AND MAYBE WE'RE SEEING AN APPLICATION THAT IS COPY PASTE FROM SOME OTHER CITY THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
AND SO THEREFORE IT HAS SHRUBBERY, IT HAS PARKING LOT, IT HAS EVERYTHING WHICH WE DO SEE.
AND SO THEREFORE IF WE SAY, HEY LOOK, WE WANT A BLOCK DIAGRAM, THEN THEY'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY TO RIP THAT OUT.
AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION IN THE PAST HAS SAID, HEY, LET US SEE KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING SO THAT WE KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH A CONCEPT PLAN.
SO IT'S A VERY DICEY, I I KNOW.
I JUST WONDERED IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO CLARITY, I MEAN YOU'VE PRETTY MUCH SUMMARIZED THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF APPLICANTS THAT SAY WE REQUIRE TOO MUCH AT THE VARIOUS STAGES.
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AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT'S REQUIRED WHEN AND WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING WHEN THE CHALLENGE IS THAT, THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ONE IN DECEMBER THAT I THINK IS WAY TOO MANY THINGS TO BE A CONCEPT PLAN.YOU WENT WAY TOO FAR, BUT I CAN'T HELP IT IF YOU WANNA BRING THAT, BUT THEN YOU DON'T GET TO COMPLAIN THAT
SO WE'RE TRYING TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE OF WHAT'S NECESSARY TO GET AN IDEA AT THE CONCEPT LEVEL.
AND THEN HOW DOES THAT WORK ITS WAY THROUGH AGAIN, SO WE'RE NOT EXHAUSTING APPLICANTS, RIGHT.
TO THE POINT WHERE THEY GET TO A BUILDING PERMIT AND IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF INVESTMENT ON THE FRONT END AND HOW DO WE NOT REQUIRE ALL THAT? AND IT'S GONNA BE A LEARNING PROCESS, HONESTLY.
AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.
THEN AFTER THEY MAKE THEIR CASE PRESENTATION, WHEN STAFF LOOKS AT IT, THE STAFF REPORT FOCUSES SOLELY ON, EVEN IF THAT'S BLOCK DIAGRAMMING OVER THE TOP OF THEIR DETAIL SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HEIGHT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MASSING, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE SITE LAYOUT.
AND SO IT REFOCUS THE COMMISSION ON THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT STAGE OF THE PROCESS.
SHOULD ANY COMMISSION MEMBER WANNA DIG INTO THE DETAILS, THEY CAN DO THAT IN PREPARATION TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROCESS IS THAT THE, EXCUSE ME, THE ACTION ITEMS AND THE DISCUSSION THAT IS GERMANE FOR THAT PARTICULAR MEETING.
AND THEREFORE THAT PARTICULAR VOTING ACTION IS REFOCUSED ON THE PROPER STEP IN THE PROCESS.
AND I, THAT'S A LOT OF INTERNAL ALSO LEARNING AS WELL, LIKE TRYING TO SOLIDIFY, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES ENGINEERING REQUIRE AT THIS STAGE VERSUS WHAT DOES PLANNING REQUIRE AND WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING AT, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF STAFF TIME TOO TO REVIEW EACH OF THESE THINGS.
SO WE ARE DEFINITELY WORKING ON THAT TO HELP REFINE THAT.
UM, AS, AS ANOTHER STEP WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
AND AGAIN, THEY LIKE, THEY DO SPEND A LOT OF EFFORT YEAH.
TO BRING A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT FUND.
IT'S WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION.
AND IF WE SAY X, Y, AND Z, NO.
THEN THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND RED DRAW ALL THAT.
HANG ON THOUGH, BECAUSE I GOT, SO FROM THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE, I'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THE LIST OF RE REQUIREMENTS THAT YES.
SO I, I I THINK YOU'RE, I DON'T WANNA OVERTHINK THIS BECAUSE AS AN APPLICANT, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER IF I CHOOSE TO SPEND MORE MONEY BECAUSE I WANNA GET MORE FEEDBACK OR WHATEVER, AND THAT'S ON ME, WE CAN'T ABSOLUTELY.
I'M JUST SAYING MAKE THAT CLEAR SO WHEN THEY COME IN THERE'S, IT'S BUT I'M SAYING IT IS, IT IS CLEAR.
WELL I, BUT WE'VE HAD APPLICANTS THAT WERE SURPRISED BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S HOW THEY'RE, IT'S HOW IT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
IT'S, I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR.
AND THEY'RE COMING WITH AN AGENDA BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SHOW US MORE.
I'M JUST SAYING I JUST FEEL A DISCONNECT.
BUT, BUT THEN YOU CAN'T, BUT THEN YOU ALSO CAN'T PUT RESTRICTIONS AND SAY YOU CAN'T SHOW US THIS NOW.
YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I NO, I GET THAT.
I'M JUST, SO MR. I'M SAYING I, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE COMPROMISE THAT THEY CAN SHOW US WHATEVER THEY WANT, BUT WHEN STAFF PROVIDES THE STAFF PRESENTATION, RIGHT, THEY GO BACK TO, HEY, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY REQUIRED AND THEREFORE REFOCUS THE COMMISSION ON THOSE PARTICULAR TO POINT TALKING POINTS FOR THAT STEP IN THE PROCESS.
I'M JUST, I GUESS TO, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO OVERTHINK IT FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND THEY MAY WANT TO GO TO THAT LEVEL.
I THINK IT'S BEING CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE TO REVIEW TOO AND NOT GETTING WRAPPED UP IN YES.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE, THE STAFF PRESENTATION RIGHT.
COULD BE FACILITATED AND, AND YOU KNOW, JENNY, YOU DO A GREAT JOB AT TRAINING THE PLANNING MEMBERS, ESPECIALLY AS THE NEWER ONES COME UP AND HAVE THEIR FIRST, I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE CAN REFINE.
AND AGAIN, I THINK WE, WE WILL NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT TOO, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THERE'S WHAT'S REQUIRED, BUT TO YOUR POINT, IF THEY SHOW SOMETHING AND WANT FEEDBACK ON SOMETHING ANYWAY, I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO SORT OF TALK THAT THROUGH.
'CAUSE IF THE BUILDING HEIGHT OF SOMETHING, WHILE CONCEPTUALLY IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT IS CRITICAL TO THEM HAVING A PROJECT APPROVED AT A LATER DATE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED, BUT THEY WOULD MAYBE WANT FEEDBACK OF IT.
SO ANYWAY, I THINK, WE'LL ME AND THAD CAN JUST TALK ABOUT THAT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST APPROACH IS.
AND, AND PERHAPS THAT'S WHEN THEY WANNA COMBINE THE PDP AND THE FTP.
IF, IF THEY NEED SOMETHING TO MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD, THEN ON OUR AGENDA, IT'S BOTH SO THAT IT IS THE PROPER STAGE TO LOOK AT BOTH THE BUILDING BLOCKS OR THE DUPLOS AND THE LEGOS.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING, SO, OKAY.
WITH THE CODE AMENDMENTS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSION SEES WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR STAFF TO PREPARE AND BRING BACK TO US AT A LATER DATE? GREAT.
UH, WE WILL HOLD OFF ON THE TRAINING FOR WHEN THE COMMISSION IS WHOLE.
AND SO MR. WE WILL PRESENT THE, THE NEXT TRAINING OPPORTUNITY AT THAT MEETING.
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ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS FROM EITHER THE COMMISSION OR FROM STAFF? THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE IS WE ONLY HAVE ONE MORE MEETING LEFT FOR THE END OF THE YEAR.SO THAT DECEMBER MEETING WILL BE OUR LAST, UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE UNLESS YOU ALL DO.
SO ANYTHING FROM THE COMMISSION.
WELL THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.