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EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES AT THIS TIME.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
MS. BEAL, IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE YOU CALL ROLL MR. DESLER.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
AT THIS TIME.I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM BOTH THE OCTOBER 3RD AND OCTOBER 10TH, 2024 MEETINGS.
[Case #24-116AFDP]
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN PLANNING A PROPERTY, HENRY'S ZONING ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER OF EVENTS FOR THIS EVENING WILL BE THE APPLICANT WILL COME TO THE PODIUM AND PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN BE FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND OF STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT.
AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, THEN THE COMMISSION WILL DELIBERATE ON THE CASE.
ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM.
UH, IN TURN, WITH EACH APPLICATION, PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON, ON THE MICROPHONE.
AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS.
THAT'S FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
AT THIS TIME, WE NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN.
ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, WILL YOU PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL PROCEED WITH CASE 24 DASH HUNDRED 16 A FDP FOR W WOODS.
THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR AN AMENDED AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO AMEND THE NORTHEAST QUAD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TEXT FOR SUB AREA TWO.
THE APPROXIMATELY 75, UH, NEARLY 76 ACRE, UH, SUB AREA IS ZONE PUD, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NORTHEAST QUAD, AND IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF WYANDOT WOODS BOULEVARD AND KELLY DRIVE.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO OUR APPLICANT FOR A PRESENTATION.
REBECCA, REAL QUICK, OH, I APOLOGIZE.
MR. DESLER DOES NEED TO RECUSE HIMSELF.
SO WE WILL EXCUSE HIM BEFORE YOU PROCEED WITH YOUR COMMENTS.
I'M GONNA RECUSE MYSELF AND THEN JUST LET ME KNOW AND I'LL POP BACK IN FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING.
AND WE WILL WAIT FOR MR. DASHER TO EXIT.
HE'LL EXIT THROUGH THIS DOOR RIGHT OVER HERE.
GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TODAY.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL HUTCHINSON, AND I SERVE AS THE NEWLY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE Y WOODS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT'S LOCATED IN SUB AREA TWO OF THE NORTHEAST QUAD, OUTLINED IN THE CITY'S PLANNING REPORT PROVIDED TO YOU TODAY.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF AND AT THE REQUEST OF OUR RESIDENTS TO REQUEST A MODIFICATION TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, REDUCING THEM FROM 25% OF THE OVERALL LOT DEPTH, UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 50 FEET, DOWN TO A UNIFORM 20 FEET FOR OUTDOOR PATIOS AND LIVING
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AREAS.SPECIFICALLY, THE RESULT HERE WOULD PROVIDE RESIDENTS IN ADDITIONAL 13 FEET TO BUILD A PATIO ON THEIR PROPERTIES.
BEFORE DETAILING WHY THIS MODIFICATION IS NEEDED, I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A BIT OF BACKGROUND.
Y DOT WOODS WAS INITIALLY DEVELOPED INTO TWO SECTIONS.
SECTION ONE, PRIMARILY ALONE OR ADJACENT TO W WOODS BOULEVARD WAS CONSTRUCTED FIRST 25 YEARS AGO.
THESE LOTS WERE INITIALLY DESIGNED TO BE AROUND HALF AN ACRE IN SIZE, GENERALLY HAD A DEPTH OF 200 FEET, AND THE BACKYARD DEPTH WAS AROUND A HUNDRED FEET.
THIS ALLOWED RESIDENTS TO CONSTRUCT A REASONABLY SIZED PATIO WITHOUT CONCERN OF BREACHING THE ZONING RESTRICTIONS.
HOWEVER, SECTION TWO WAS CONSTRUCTED APPROXIMATELY 10 YEARS AGO, AND THE LOTS WERE DESIGNED TO BE MATERIALLY SMALLER THAN SECTION ONE.
THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE WAS AROUND A THIRD OF AN ACRE, HAD A DEPTH SLIGHTLY OVER 130 FEET, AND THE BACKYARDS GENERALLY RANGE FROM 30 TO 50 FEET DEEP.
DESPITE THE SMALLER SIZE, THE DEVELOPER COPIED OVER THE SAME DEVELOPMENT TEXT FROM SECTION ONE THAT INCLUDES THE 25% SETBACK REQUIREMENT LANGUAGE.
THIS ACTION HAS HAD THE UNINTENTIONAL RESULT OF PREVENTING MOST HOME HOMEOWNERS IN SECTION TWO FROM BEING ABLE TO BUILD A PATIO AS A 25% SETBACK EQUALS 33 FEET.
NO RESIDENT OF SECTION TWO THAT I'VE ENCOUNTERED WAS INFORMED OF OR WAS AWARE OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT WHEN CHOOSING THEIR LOT.
IN FACT, NUMEROUS RESIDENTS, INCLUDING MYSELF, ONLY LEARNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE IN 2023 AFTER SUBMITTING PERMIT APPLICATIONS FOR APPROVAL TO THE CITY.
THANKFULLY, I MYSELF WAS ABLE TO BUILD A PATIO AS PROPOSED DUE TO HAVING A CORNER LOT THAT CALCULATES THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS DIFFERENTLY.
BUT MY NEIGHBORS DID NOT HAVE THAT LUXURY.
YOU MAY ALSO BE WONDERING WHY IT'S ME HERE TODAY AND WHY THIS ISSUE WASN'T ADDRESSED BY THE BUILDER.
PRIOR TO FINALIZING DEVELOPMENT, WE INITIALLY ASKED THE BUILDER TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO CHANGE THIS LADY LANGUAGE, AND THE CITY WAS OPEN TO DOING SO.
HOWEVER, THE BUILDER WOULD NOT SPEND THE RESOURCES TO DO SO.
SO THIS PROCESS WAS STARTED BY THE HOA AFTER BEING TURNED OVER TO HOMEOWNERS IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR.
THE SETBACK MODIFICATION WAS ONE OF THE TOP ISSUES RAISED BY HOMEOWNERS AT THE TURNOVER MEETING.
SO THE NEWLY ELECTED HOA OFFICIALS AGREED TO ADDRESS THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY OF DUBLIN GRACIOUSLY AGREED TO CO-SPONSOR THIS PROPOSAL, AND HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN GUIDING US THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO ENSURE WE'VE BEEN AS THOROUGH AS POSSIBLE IN PROVIDING EVERYTHING YOU MAY NEED TO EVALUATE YOUR REQUEST.
I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE'VE BEEN IN REGULAR COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THIS PROPOSAL AS THE HOA CREATED A WHATSAPP GROUP DEDICATED TO ONGOING HOA COMMUNICATIONS, AND I PERSONALLY INVITED EVERY RESIDENT TO JOIN THE GROUP AFTER BEING ELECTED.
I ALSO CONDUCTED A POLL TO CONFIRM THAT RESIDENTS WERE SUPPORTIVE, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY IMPACTED BY HAVING RESIDENTS CONFIRMED WHAT STREET THEY LIVED ON AS THE SMALLEST LOTS ARE CONCENTRATED ON DOMINO DRIVE, KELLY DRIVE, AND WYANDOT WOODS BOULEVARD.
THIS POLL RECEIVED A UNANIMOUS YES, AMONG ALL WHO VOTED, WHICH I'VE PROVIDED TO THE CITY, IS A REFERENCE FOR YOU TODAY.
MY AIM THROUGH THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN TO KEEP AN UNBIASED POINT OF VIEW, IS I'M NOT PERSONALLY IMPACTED BY THE OUTCOME HERE TONIGHT.
I'VE SOUGHT FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY AND RESIDENTS ON AN APPROPRIATE SETBACK DISTANCE BASED ON MEASURING THE SMALLEST LOT.
ADDITIONALLY, THE HOA WILL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN DESIGN STANDARDS FOR ANY NEW PATIOS, DECKS AND OUTDOOR SPACES TO ENSURE THEY ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING CHARACTER AND AESTHETIC OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BASED ON ALL OF THIS, I BELIEVE THAT THIS REQUEST ADDS VALUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALLOWS RESIDENTS TO CREATE OUTDOOR LIVING AREAS TO BE ENJOYED WITH THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, AND ENHANCES PROPERTY VALUES AND MAKES A POSITIVE DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IN CONCLUSION, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TODAY TO MODIFY THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO 20 FEET AS PRESENTED.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE ASK QUESTIONS, WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO STAFF AND THEN WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS AT THE SAME TIME TO BOTH YOURSELF AND TO STAFF.
MS. HOPE, TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIRMAN CALL AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
WE'LL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT.
MR. HUTCHINSON DESCRIBED THIS, WE ARE WEST OF SAWMILL IN THE EMERALD FIELDS PARK NORTH OF HAWTHORNE COMMONS, EAST OF THE NORTHEAST QUAD SUB AREA, ONE PORTION OF THIS PUD SOUTH OF SCIOTO ESTATES AS SHOWN IN THE OUTLINED AREA.
SO THE SUBJECT AREA IS ONLY SUB AREA TWO OF NORTHEAST QUAD, PUD OUTLINED HERE IN YELLOW, UM, SURROUNDED BY MORE OF THE SAME PUD AND R ONE.
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MR. HUTCHINSON DID A A GREAT JOB OF SUMMARIZING THE HISTORY.I WILL FILL IN JUST A COUPLE OF BITS OF INFORMATION FOR YOU.
UM, THE PLATS FOR A SUB AREA TWO WERE APPROVED STARTING IN 2003.
THERE ARE 176 LOTS TOTAL IN THIS SUB AREA SINCE THEN.
IT APPEARS THAT 38 APPROXIMATELY PATIO AND DECK APPROVALS ARE NON-COMPLIANT.
AND AS THE CO-APPLICANT MENTIONED, THESE WERE GRANTED BY THE BUILDER SLASH HOA AT THAT TIME.
UM, IT'S NO FAULT OF THIS PARTICULAR HOA.
SO TONIGHT'S REQUEST COULD ALLOW 29 OF THOSE LOTS TO POTENTIALLY BE COMPLIANT PENDING CITY APPROVAL IN 2023.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE ADOPTED BY THE CITY.
YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT EFFORT, AND WE WILL EXPLAIN IN A MOMENT HOW THAT TIES INTO THIS REQUEST.
IN JUNE OF 2023, AS MENTIONED, THIS WHOLE THING STARTED WHEN WE HAD A COUPLE OF APPLICANTS COME TO THE CITY FOR DECK AND PATIO APPROVALS.
AND WE REALIZED AT THAT TIME THAT MANY OF THESE LOTS WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE REASONABLE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE BASED ON THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT TEXT.
UM, SO TODAY WE HAVE A WILLING HOA TO PARTNER TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
AND YOU'VE GOT THE SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION IN YOUR ONEDRIVE THAT, UH, MR. HUTCHINSON REFERRED TO.
UH, SO LOOKING AT SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO THAT PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS A VIEW BETWEEN KELLY DRIVE AND CLIFTON COURT.
UM, AND THE VIEW TO THE RIGHT IS BETWEEN WDO WOODS BOULEVARD AND DOMINO DRIVE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S SOME, UH, LANDSCAPING THERE, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOUSES ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UM, AND TO NOTE THAT THE PLAT DOES HAVE SOME EASEMENTS AND NO BUILD ZONES IN SOME OF THESE LOTS.
SO WITH THAT, UH, WHEN THE CITY AND, AND THE HOA MET, THERE WAS TWO GOALS THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE, AND THAT WAS BRING, UM, AS MANY PROPERTIES INTO COMPLIANCE AS POSSIBLE AND PRESERVE REASONABLE DISTANCE BETWEEN, UH, THE REAR YARDS.
UM, THE HOA HAS STAKED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DISTANCES FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, ON THE SMALLEST LOT AS MICHAEL, UM, MENTIONED, AND STAFF HAS CONFIRMED THE BEST OPTION.
THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT.
NOW, GOING BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, OBVIOUSLY THOSE CANNOT APPLY RETROACTIVELY, BUT WE CAN USE THEM AS A RESOURCE AND A GUIDE FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
YOU'LL NOTE IN THE HIGHLIGHTED INFORMATION THAT 150 SQUARE FEET AREA AND A MINIMUM DIMENSION OF 10 FEET IS MENTIONED IN THOSE GUIDELINES.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE BOTH OF THOSE GOALS WITH THIS PROPOSED REAR SETBACK.
THIS SLIDE IS GOING TO SHOW YOU CURRENT VERSUS PROPOSED CONDITIONS, SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE SMALLEST LOTS.
SO IT IS A MOST CHALLENGING CASE, IF YOU WILL.
UH, THE FRONT IS ON THE RIGHT, THE REAR IS TO THE LEFT, AND AS MENTIONED, THE CURRENT REAR SETBACKS ARE REQUIRED TO BE 25% OF THE LOT LENGTH.
IN THIS CASE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER 26 FEET AT GRADE.
PATIOS ARE PERMITTED TO ENCROACH FIVE FEET INTO THAT, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS REALLY LEAVES LITTLE TO NO ROOM FOR A USABLE SPACE.
ESSENTIALLY, WHAT THESE HOMEOWNERS ARE FINDING IS THAT THEY GET A SIDEWALK.
THE PROPOSED CHANGE PRESERVES AT LEAST 30 FEET BETWEEN THE LOTS WITH ADDITIONAL ROOM FOR PRIVACY, LANDSCAPING IF DESIRED.
THE FIVE FOOT ENCROACHMENT IS STILL PERMITTED, AND THAT 30 FOOT DISTANCE ACCOUNTS FOR THE ENCROACHMENT.
ALL OTHER SETBACKS ARE MAINTAINED, ALL OTHER EASEMENTS AND NO BUILD AREAS ARE MAINTAINED.
AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY TO ACCESSORY RESTRUCTURES OR PRIVATE OUTDOOR SPACES, THINGS LIKE DECKS AND PATIOS, AND NOT BUILDING ADDITIONS.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GET HOUSES CREEPING TOO CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER.
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IT'S ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IF THIS SUBDIVISION CAME TODAY WITH A TOTALLY CLEAN SLATE, WE WERE STARTING FROM SCRATCH, A 20 FOOT REAR SETBACK WOULD BE CONSIDERED REASONABLE.SO AS WE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, IT APPEARS THAT 29 PROPERTIES WOULD NEED CITY APPROVAL.
UM, SO PLEASE REFER TO THAT PAMPHLET, THAT SPREADSHEET, UM, THAT WE PUT ON YOUR DESK.
UM, SO BOTH THE HOA AND THE CITY RECOGNIZE THAT NINE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES APPEAR TO BE NON, NON-COMPLIANT WITH THIS NEW SETBACK, UM, THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL NEED TO BE REMEDIED.
UM, THEY WILL NEED TO BE REVIEWED AND REVISED BY THE CITY.
UM, AND SOME OF THESE FOR CLARIFICATION, MIGHT NEED A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO THE CHARACTER OF THE UNADDRESSED VIOLATIONS, UM, ARE IMPROVEMENTS IN NO BUILD ZONES OR EASEMENTS.
UM, THERE'S ONE SIDE YARD SETBACK, UM, AND ONE OR A FEW, SORRY, THAT ARE LESS THAN 15 FEET FROM THE REAR YARD LINE.
SO STAFF HAS GIVEN 60 DAYS FOR EVERYONE TO REMEDY THE SITUATION BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
AND ADDITIONALLY, STAFF WILL SEND OUT A REMINDER LETTER TO THE, UH, TO THE RESIDENTS UPON APPROVAL TONIGHT, ALL MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION CRITERIA ARE MET, AND THEREFORE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
AND TO SUMMARIZE THOSE, THE HOA IS TO RECORD AN AMENDMENT WITHIN 30 DAYS.
THIS IS TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND PROVIDE A COPY TO PLANNING.
AND SIMILARLY, THE HOA SHALL RECORD A DISCOVERABLE INSTRUMENT THAT LINKS THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT TEXT TO THE PLATS THAT HAS THE SAME 30 DAY DEADLINE.
AND OWNERS WITH UNAPPROVED IMPROVEMENTS HAVE 60 DAYS TO REMEDY REMOVAL OF IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE EASEMENTS AND NO BUILD ZONES MAY BE REQUIRED.
AND JUST NOTE THE SLIGHT CHANGE IN WORDING HERE, THAT THEY WILL NEED TO APPLY FOR CITY APPROVALS, AND THAT LEAVES A POSSIBILITY OF HAVING TO DO BUILDING PERMITS FOR CERTAIN, UM, CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS.
AND AGAIN, WE ARE COMMITTING TO SEND OUT A LETTER TO RESIDENTS TO HELP AID THAT.
AND WITH THAT, WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS.
MR. HARD, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? MR. GARVIN? DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? SURE.
UH, DO WE KNOW WHAT PROMPTED THE TWO APPLICANTS IN JUNE OF 23 TO APPLY WHEN SOMEBODY PREVIOUSLY HADN'T? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN ANSWER THAT.
WE, WE HAVE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BUILDER, THE HOA OVER, OH MY GOSH, IS IT 18 MONTHS NOW? AND SO WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT CZ PAS ARE REQUIRED BEFORE YOU BUILD ANYTHING.
SO THEY, UM, HAD THE UNLUCKY OR LUCKY, DEPENDING ON YOUR POINT OF VIEW, UM, TIMING.
THEY MADE THE APPLICATION AND, AND THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED ALL OF THIS.
AND MR. RATON, I CAN'T CONFIRM THE PRIOR, BEFORE WE, UH, TOOK OVER THE HOA, BUT BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ONES THAT DID REQUEST AN APPLICATION, UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY JUST THEIR CONTRACT CONTRACTOR SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION.
AND IT WAS MORE PURE LUCK RATHER THAN ACTUALLY KNOWING THE CODE.
AND, UH, I CAN'T SPEAK IF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, 30 HAD, UH, A QUALIFIED CONTRACTOR OR NOT.
BUT I KNOW THAT THOSE TWO SPECIFICALLY DID.
AND ARE YOU AWARE IF ANY OF THE OTHER HAD THE SAME CONTRACTOR? I'M NOT.
UM, AND HOW, HOW WOULD THE BZA BE INVOLVED? WOULD THEY POTENTIALLY HEAR THESE NINE REMAINING CASES IF THOSE PEOPLE WERE TO SEEK VARIANCES? OR DOES THIS PRECLUDE THAT? SO SOME OF THESE, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE NO BUILD ZONE AND THE EASEMENTS, UH, CERTAINLY THEY COULD GO BEFORE THE BZA.
THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT? BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT OR THAT ENGINEERING WOULD SUPPORT, AND NONE OF THE OTHERS THAT WE'D BE APPROVING.
NOW, THERE'S NO REASON FOR THEM TO HAVE ANY RETROACTIVE HEARING THROUGH NO, FOR CLARIFICATION, WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANY PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
WHAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS LOOKING AT IS AN A CHANGING TEXT MODIFICATION MM-HMM.
WHICH WOULD BRING INTO COMPLIANCE AND THERE'D BE NO NEED.
WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO AVOID, MR. GARVIN,
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IS THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDING TO COME BEFORE BZA.MR. ALEXANDER, THIS IS MORE JUST A BACKGROUND QUESTION.
UM, AS I SLOWLY FAMILIARIZE MYSELF WITH THINGS LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE HUNDRED, THE ISSUE THAT YOU POINT OUT, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE COVERAGE IS, THE COVERAGE REQUIREMENT IS SUCH ON THESE PROPERTIES THAT GETTING 150 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE IS PRETTY EASY, IS IT'S A 10 FOOT WIDTH AT THE REAR IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT PORTION OF IT, THAT 10 FOOT WIDTH IS WHAT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE, NOT SO MUCH 150 SQUARE FEET.
COULD YOU BRING UP, YOU HAD A GOOD ILLUSTRATION WITH THAT MINOR, THE, THE LITTLE TINY LOT.
IF YOU COULD USE THIS AS AN ILLUSTRATION, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP.
SO CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, MANY LOTS ARE LEFT WITH THIS LITERALLY A FIVE FOOT STRIP OF CONCRETE PATIO BEHIND THEIR HOMES.
THE 10 FEET IN ANY DIMENSION IS, HEY, LOOK, 150 SQUARE FOOT, THAT'S NOT OKAY.
IF IT'S THREE FOOT WIDE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO USE THAT.
AND THEN YOU ADD TO THAT, THE SETBACK TO GET THAT MINIMUM 10 FOOT BY 15 FOOT TO MAKE 150 SQUARE FEET.
MR. CHINOOK, JUST REAL QUICK QUESTION.
UM, YOU, YOU, YOU KIND OF GLOSSED OVER IT, I BELIEVE, BUT THE, WHEN THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS PURCHASED THESE LOTS, YOU MENTIONED THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, OR THE CITY DIDN'T LIKE, CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING THEY DIDN'T DID OR DID NOT KNOW? I CAN, AND THE BUILDER NEVER NOTIFIED THEM OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT, AND THEY ALSO DID NOT BUILD PATIOS FOR THE HOMEOWNERS.
THEY JUST SAID AFTER CLOSING, YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT WITH YOUR OWN QUALIFIED CONTRACTOR, BUT NEVER INFORMED THE RESIDENTS THAT THERE WAS A SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO, UH, THIS HAPPENING FOR EVERYONE ELSE, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THAT SAME SCENARIO HAPPENED WITH MYSELF.
AND I FOUND OUT, UH, WHAT A SETBACK REQUIREMENT WAS AFTER I SPOKE WITH THE CITY, AND I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS MYSELF TO BUILD A PATIO.
SO YOU, YOU JUST CLARIFICATION, MS. HOLT.
UH, SPEAKING FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SPEAK FROM REAL ESTATE AGENTS OR BUILDERS PERSPECTIVE, IS IT TYPICAL FOR BUILDERS TO NOTIFY OF SETBACKS? I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO MY EXPERIENCE HAVING JUST BOUGHT A NUMBER OF HOMES HERE AND ELSEWHERE.
UM, USUALLY THAT INFORMATION IS NOT PRESENTED.
SO I WANTED, SO IN THE FOLLOWUP THAT, SO TYPICALLY THE HOMEOWNER WOULD CONTACT THE CITY MM-HMM.
OR A, AS CONTRACTOR ACTED, ASKED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT AN IMPROVEMENT OR HIRE A CONTRACTOR WHO KNOWS THE RULES AND THEREFORE FILES.
I JUST, I GUESS I'M GETTING AT THE DUE DILIGENCE ON THE HOMEOWNER'S PART.
AS THEY'RE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY, THEY HAD THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO THEM.
IF THEY WOULD'VE CON CONTACTED THE CITY, THEY JUST DID IT AND MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE, IS, I KNOW, I'M, I'M SPEAKING FOR X AMOUNT OF HOMEOWNERS AND I, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S CASE IS INDIVIDUAL.
I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE ALL HEARING, I THINK WE'RE MR. CHINO, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF ANY HOMEOWNER CONTACT AT THE CITY TO, FOR ANY IMPROVEMENT, WHETHER THAT'S A DRIVEWAY, WHETHER THAT'S AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WHETHER THAT'S PATIO, WOULD THERE BE ANY NEGATIVE REACTION? WOULD THERE BE ANY NO, WE DON'T DISCLOSE THAT.
NO, WE CANNOT HELP YOU FROM THE CITY.
WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY DISCLOSE THAT INFORMATION, MR. CHIN FOR CLARIFICATION.
EVEN PRIOR TO PURCHASING THE PROPERTY, I COULD CALL AND SAY, I'M ABOUT TO BUY THIS PROPERTY.
AND, AND JUST TO EXTEND THAT A LITTLE BIT, THAT ALSO APPLIES TO ZONING.
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I'M BUYING THIS BRAND NEW HOME ON THIS BRAND NEW LOT AND THERE'S VACANT LOT NEXT TO ME.WHAT COULD THAT BE? IS THAT CORRECT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE.
AND THANK YOU FOR THAT MS. HARDER.
UH, A COUPLE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
UM, CAN YOU, UH, FIRST OF ALL, UM, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, IN THE RECORD AS WELL AS THE MINUTES, WE, UH, NOTE THAT THERE ARE TWO DISTINCT DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS CALLED W DOT WOODS.
AND SO THAT, THAT IS, IS, UH, KNOWN, UH, THROUGHOUT THE MINUTE.
SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION TO NEIGHBORS UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN THEY'RE READING THIS DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, TELL ME ABOUT YOUR SURVEY PROCESS.
UH, HOW DID YOU GO ABOUT DOING THAT? DID YOU WALK DOOR TO DOOR WITH YOUR SURVEY OR WAS IT THROUGH THE APP? UM, OUR SURVEY PROCESS WAS THROUGH OUR WHATSAPP GROUP, WHICH WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED.
UH, AND THEN WE CREATED AN, A POLL WHERE INDIVIDUALS COULD GO IN AND ANSWER WHETHER THEY WERE FOR OR AGAINST, UH, BUT ALSO CLARIFY WHERE THEY RESIDE AT.
UM, I FELT LIKE THAT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE LOTS, THE INTERIOR LOTS ARE MATERIALLY SMALLER THAN THE EXTERIOR LOTS.
UH, SO THOSE THAT ARE IMPACTED ARE PRIMARILY THOSE INTERIOR LOTS.
AND THAT WAS THE MAJORITY OF OUR RESPONDENTS.
DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER ON THAT? HOW MANY HOMES, IF I MAY ASK? I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE HOMES THAT ARE IMPACTED OR THE RESPONDENTS RESPONSE? YEAH, IT WAS OVER 40.
AND THEN, UM, A QUESTION ABOUT FENCING AND HOW THAT WOULD, UH, IMPACT THIS DECISION AS WELL TOO.
THERE IS A FENCE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WALKING THE AREA THAT'S ACROSS FROM THE ONE ADDRESS THAT WAS GIVEN US.
AND IT SEEMS TO, UH, UH, JUST ADD A QUESTION ABOUT FENCING AND, UH, AND THE PARAMETERS TO THAT.
SO THIS COULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT FENCING AS WELL.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO IT WAS, IT, UM, TYPICAL FOR THE DEVELOPER NOT TO COME, COME AND, UM, SIT WITH YOU ALL AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS ISSUE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE WINDING UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND REALLY NEED TO SHOW THAT IT'S READY TO GO.
AND IT'S WHAT WAS ON, UH, EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD, NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD LOOK IS THAT THEY MET WITH US A COUPLE OF TIMES ON THIS ISSUE SPECIFICALLY, BUT THERE IS NOT A, UM, CLOSEOUT MEETING PER SE WITH PLANNING.
IS THERE OTHER AREAS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO MAKE SURE, LIKE THEY PUT IN THE NUMBER OF TREES AND, UM, ALL OF THAT? I, IT JUST KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO TIDY EVERYTHING UP AND MAKE SURE IT'S OKAY.
AND THERE WAS CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WERE HAPPENING AND A CONCERN.
SO THAT WOULD BE ENGINEERING AND ZONING INSPECTION.
AND DID THEY MEET WITH THEY COULDN'T, THEY DIDN'T MEET WITH THEM ABOUT THIS DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME? I JUST, YEAH.
AND I WAS HEARING IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DIDN'T WANNA PUT IN THE, UH, EXPENSES FOR IT.
AND IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? THAT WAS, UH, TWO CLARIFICATIONS THERE.
THEY MET WITH THE CITY MULTIPLE TIMES TO DISCUSS THE IDEA, UH, AND THEN TOLD THE HOA, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE HOA CAN ADDRESS AFTER CLOSING.
THEY DIDN'T WANNA EXPEND THE RESOURCES ON IT, AND THEY ALSO FELT LIKE THEY THEMSELVES HAD LIABILITY RISK IF THEY CHANGED IT.
SO THAT WAS THEIR RATIONALE FOR NOT BEING WILLING TO COME AND CHANGE THIS RULING, UH, WHILE THEY WERE STILL IN DEVELOPMENT PHASE.
UM, WHERE DO HOT TUBS AND, UM, SWIM SPAS FIT IN WITH THIS TOO? IS DOES THAT CHANGE THE PARAMETER OF THINGS? IS THAT A STRUCTURE? OKAY.
WE WOULD HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT.
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC.
THEY CAN BE, THEY CAN ADD NOISE.
UM, AND SO WE'RE KINDA MOVING THINGS CLOSER TO EVERYONE, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE AN IMPACT OR A CONCERN OR IF YOUR HOA HAS ANY LIMITATIONS, UH, ON ANY OF THE, AND LIKE SWIM SPAS OR, UM, SO WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING THAT OUT.
UH, WHEN WE HAD THE HOA TURNOVER, THERE WERE NO ESTABLISHED DESIGN REVIEW RULES.
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EFFECTIVELY, UH, Q AND A FROM THE PRIOR MANAGER.SO WE HAVE A COUPLE PRECEDENTS TO GO OFF OF, BUT NO, ACTUALLY RECORDED FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS IN THAT REGARD.
IT'S SOMETHING WE WILL ADDRESS.
UM, BUT WE WOULD PRIMARILY DEFER TO THE CITY ON DESIGN REVIEW PRO OR NOT DESIGN REVIEW, MORE ARCHITECTURAL, WHAT'S ALLOWED, AND THEN MAYBE TWEAK AROUND THOSE GUIDELINES THEMSELVES.
MS. HOLT, WHAT WAS THE UNDERLYING ZONING FOR THIS PARTICULAR SUB AREA PRIOR TO THE BEAUTY ADOPTION? I COULDN'T FIND THAT IN CASE HISTORY.
I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
UH, AND THEN JUST ONE COMMENT MORE THAN QUESTION.
UH, IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, YOU HAD A COMMENT, 20, UH, SINCE 2023, I THINK, WAS THE DATE, 29 BROUGHT INTO CONFORMANCE WITH THE TEXT AMENDMENT.
THAT IS NOT A PAST TENSE ACTION.
THAT IS A PRESENT TENSE WILL BE BROUGHT, OR A FUTURE TENSE WILL BE BROUGHT AND COULD POTENTIALLY YES.
AND THERE WILL NEED TO BE ADDITIONAL STEPS AS WE DESCRIBE CPAS POTENTIALLY BUILDING PERMITS.
AND THEN, MR. HUTCHINSON, WERE ANY OF THESE PATIOS, UM, IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE SUBJECT GERMANE TO DISCUSSION THIS EVENING? WERE ANY OF THOSE PUT IN BY THE BUILDER, OR WERE ALL OF THOSE ADDED BY THE HOMEOWNER AFTER THE FACT? I COULDN'T CONFIRM.
UH, WE MOVED IN OFFICIALLY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN EARLY 2023.
MOST OF THESE WERE ALREADY IN PLACE WELL BEFORE THAT, UH, THE BUILDER HAD COMPLETED THOSE HOMES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2014 AND 2019 IS GENERALLY WHAT THAT COMPLETION DATE WAS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? MS. HARDER? JUST ONE MORE.
UM, HAVE WE CLEARED IT THAT WHEN YOU BUILD YOUR PATIO, MOST OF THESE HOMES, IT'S RIGHT OFF THAT BACK, BACK PORCH, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEIR FAMILY ROOM THAT, UM, IT'S STILL ISN'T MOVING IT AROUND, THAT THEY HAVE TO ADD IN ANOTHER DOOR OR DO SOMETHING OF THAT SORT, THAT KINDA, UM, MAKES IT TO MORE OF EXPENSE OR JUST CHANGES.
DOES THIS CLEAR THAT, THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE IT TO GO IS, IS, IS, UM, THE BEST PLACE FOR IT? THIS GIVES THEM MORE OPTIONS BECAUSE YOU CAN GET A REASONABLE DEPTH WHERE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE AND WHERE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR EACH HOMEOWNER IS UP TO THEM.
AND IF YOU COULD TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON, PLEASE.
IN REGARD TO PLACEMENT OF PATIOS, THE VAST MAJORITY HAVE BEEN ON THE EXTERIOR.
THERE ARE TWO SPECIFIC ON KELLY COURT, WHICH IS IN THE, EFFECTIVELY THE HEART OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, WHERE THEY HAVE A SMALL BACK PATIO THAT WRAPS AROUND TO THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
UM, SO THERE'S A FEW INSTANCES WHERE A SIDE PATIO MAY MAKE SENSE, BUT, UH, AESTHETICALLY AND FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF HOMES WOULD NOT, UH, FIT AS SOME TYPE OF SIDE PATIO.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MY DISTRACTEDNESS.
I'M ACTUALLY REREADING THE ACCESSORY USES AND STRUCTURES, UM, PORTION.
TRYING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I THINK THE, THE HOT TUB AND OTHER USES IS IMPORTANT FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION.
MR. BOGGS, IF YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY, 1 53 0.074 IS WHERE I AM.
IF YOU COULD REVIEW THAT ALSO.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE TURN TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THIS EVENING? UH, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT VIA THE LIVE STREAM? NO, THANK YOU.
UM, IF YOU'LL GIVE US JUST A MOMENT, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST I'VE REVIEWED THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT I CAN SPEAK TO ANYTHING.
UH, AND THEN WE WILL CONTINUE ON WITH OUR DELIBERATION.
THE PREVIOUS ZONING FOR THAT PROPERTY WAS R ONE RURAL.
UH, SO MS. HOLD IF I COULD ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
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SO R ONE, ARE THE SETBACKS PROPOSED IN TONIGHT'S, UH, APPLICATION CONSISTENT WITH AN R ONE ZONING? I AM SURE THEY'RE NOT.UM, THAT'S A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT ZONE.
BUT AS, YEAH, AS WE MENTIONED FOR A PUD WITH THESE SIZE LOTS, THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT TODAY.
AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, THE PUD LANGUAGE IS A, A HIGHER LEVEL THAN THE UNDERLYING ZONING.
THE PUD BECOMES THE CODE FOR THAT UNDERLYING ZONING.
HEY, WE NEED TO TREAT IT LIKE IT'S AN R ONE, JUST FOR CONTEXT.
ALRIGHT, MR. BOGGS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT, BUT IT, IT DOES APPEAR, AND PLEASE HELP ME IF I'M MISREADING THIS, IT DOES APPEAR THAT ANY OF THOSE, UH, MENTIONED BEFORE THE HOT TUB USES THAT SORT OF THING WOULD BE TREATED AS ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
UH, SHOULD THEY HAVE, UH, A ROOF OR NOT, THAT IMPROVEMENT IS TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN A PATIO? IS THAT A CORRECT ASSUMPTION? THAT IS ALSO CORRECT.
SO SHOULD A RESIDENT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA CHOOSE TO MAX OUT THEIR, UM, PUBLIC, EXCUSE ME, THEIR PRIVATE, UH, IMPROVEMENT AND WANT TO HAVE ONE OF THESE HIGHER UTILIZATION, THESE HOT TUB, THAT THE, THAT TYPE OF USE AT THE VERY EDGE OF, AND THEREFORE THE MINIMUM SETBACK FROM THEIR NEIGHBORS, WHAT PROCESS WOULD THEY GO THROUGH TO ACCOMPLISH THAT? SO WITH AN AT, WITH, WITH AN AT GRADE PATIO, THEY CAN GO FIVE FEET BEYOND WHAT THE REAR YARD SETBACK IS, BUT THEY COULD NOT GO BEYOND THE REAR YARD SETBACK WITH THE HOT TUB, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO SHOULD TWO ADJACENT NEIGHBORS WANT TO BOTH PUT IN HOT TUBS, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOT TUBS COULD NOT BE LESS THAN 40 FEET.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.
MR. GAR, DID YOU HAVE A, AND JUST QUICKLY, BUT THEY STILL COULD DO THOSE SAME STRUCTURES INSIDE THE CURRENT ZONE WITHOUT THE APPROVAL.
IF IT'S, WITHOUT CHANGING THE LANGUAGE FROM, YOU KNOW, 25% TO 20 FEET, THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE ABILITY TO BUILD 'EM WITHIN THE CURRENT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS NOW, RIGHT.
IF IF THEY HAVE PHYSICAL SPACE RIGHT? 40 FEET AWAY, THEY STILL COULD.
MR. OX, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING CLARIFICATION WISE? THEY COULD, I THINK YOU'RE, THEY COULD STILL PUT IN A, A ACCESSORY STRUCTURE HOT TUB, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, IF THEY HAVE PHYSICAL SPACE TO DO IT IN THE EXISTING REAR YARD.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING MR. ALEXANDER FOLLOW UP.
JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE SAYS IN, IN, IN THE PROCESS FOR ACCESSORY USES SUCH AS DECKS AND PATIOS.
SO WHAT OTHER ACCESSORY USES ARE WE PERMITTING TO BE, BE FURTHER IN THE YARD? WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU READING THAT? I THINK IT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
IT'S A LANGUAGE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO I, I HAVE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AS GARAGES AND CARPORTS ATTACHED, DETACH SHEDS, SWIMMING POOLS, HOT TUBS, SPORTS COURTS, SIMILAR FACILITIES, GAZEBOS PORCHES, SUNROOMS PATIOS, DECKS, PERGOLAS AWNINGS, CANOPIES, GREENHOUSES OR SIMILAR FACILITIES AND OTHER SIMILAR STRUCTURES AS DETERMINED BY THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, WHICH THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
SO ALL ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE EXCLUSIONS IN D THAT SAME SECTION LANDSCAPE FEATURES INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO PLANTING BEDS, FOUNTAINS, AND OTHER SIMILAR FEATURES IN PLACE.
STRUCTURES SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND ARE THEREFORE NOT SUBJECT TO THE REGULATIONS OF THIS SECTION.
SO FROM WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE READING AND INTERPRETATION IS, IF IT'S ANYTHING BEYOND A DECK OR PATIO, THEY NEED TO TALK TO STAFF TO SEE HOW THE STAFF INTERPRETS THAT.
'CAUSE YOU SAID ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, RIGHT.
SO ANYBODY AND, AND I BELIEVE WHAT, UH, MS. CALL WAS READING WAS FROM ONE FIFTY THREE OH SEVEN FOUR RELATIVE TO ACCESSORY USES AND STRUCTURES IN THE GENERAL ZONING CODE.
THE WYANDOT WOODS TEXT DOES NOT ITSELF ADDRESS ACCESSORY STRUCTURES
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IN, IN ANY WAY.SO THE 1 53 0 7 4 IS WHAT APPLIES FOR SOMEBODY TO PUT IN, UH, ANY KIND OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE INCLUSIVE OF A HOT TUB OR ANY OF THOSE.
THEY'D HAVE TO GO TO STAFF AT LEAST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING PLAN APPROVAL.
WHEN, UH, WE GO BACK TO THE HOT TUB AND SO FORTH AND YOU'RE, UM, WHAT ABOUT LANDSCAPING? 'CAUSE YOU STILL CAN GO FURTHER OUT TO MAKE A LITTLE, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVATE.
THAT WAS THE EXCLUSION THAT RIGHT? YEAH.
'CAUSE LANDSCAPING WOULD NOT BE A STRUCTURE.
SO THEN IT WOULD JUST BECOME A QUESTION OF WHETHER THE LANDSCAPING ITSELF INTERFERES WITH ANY EASEMENT RIGHTS.
BUT THAT'S AN EASEMENT ISSUE, NOT A ZONING ISSUE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS UNLESS THERE'S THAT EASEMENT THAT'S AT THE BACK OF SOME OF THOSE LOTS AND OR THE NO BUILD ZONE.
ALRIGHT, ANY FINAL QUESTIONS? AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO DO THE LAST MINUTE HOMEWORK THAT WE DIDN'T THINK OF IN THE PRE-MEETING.
HOMEWORK, NO FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO DELIBERATIONS THEN.
UH, I'M GONNA PICK ON YOU AGAIN, MR. GARVIN, LET'S START WITH YOU.
I THINK THE CONCERNS MS. HARTER BROUGHT UP WERE VALID, BUT I THINK FOR ME THOSE HAVE BEEN A LATE, I'D BE CURIOUS IF YOU GUYS AGREE.
ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU WANNA CALL OUT BEFORE WE CIRCLE BACK? NO.
I, UM, WORK ON DO A LOT OF PROJECTS ON SMALL LOTS LIKE THESE AND SOME OF THE OLDER DISTRICTS IN CENTRAL OHIO.
SO USUALLY WHEN THERE'S A 25% REAR LOT REAR YARD SETBACK, THERE ARE TONS OF VARIANCES REQUESTED ON LOTS THIS SIZE.
SO I THINK THE STAFFS, UM, AND IN MANY OF THOSE DISTRICTS, THEY ALLOW ENCROACHMENTS LIKE DECKS AND PATIOS TO EXTEND EVEN FURTHER INTO THOSE SETBACKS.
UM, SO I THINK I, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW THIS HAPPENS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DECK BUILDERS, PATIO BUILDERS DON'T APPLY FOR PERMITS.
UM, AND SO I KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENS.
UM, BUT I THINK, I THINK THE, THE PROPOSAL IS LOGICAL AND MAKES SENSE GIVING THE CONDITIONS HERE.
AND EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ALL THESE NON-CONFORMING, I, I WOULD'VE QUESTIONED EVEN THAT 50 FOOT SETBACK.
YOU KNOW, IT SAYS LOTS ARE SO SMALL AND THE, AND THE LANGUAGE OF THE PUD IS 25% OR 50 FEET.
YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S CRAZY.
SO, SO I THINK IT'S, IT, IT MAKES SENSE, THE PROPOSAL.
SO I, I SUPPORT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
UM, I, I ALLUDED TO IT EARLIER WITH SOME OF MY QUESTIONING.
I I'M HAVING A, THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH ME, I AGREE THAT IT, IT MAKES SENSE, UM, IN, IN, IN MANY ASPECTS.
AND THESE ARE, THESE ARE CHALLENGING LOTS.
I JUST, UH, THE WHOLE ASK FOR FORGIVENESS APPROACH HERE IS, IS, IS I'M FINDING IT CHALLENGING.
I'M FINDING THAT, UM, WHEN WHEN HOMEOWNERS DON'T, DON'T DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, THEN WE DON'T NECESSARILY, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO CHANGE THE RULES TO APPLY TO, TO THEM.
UM, SO AGAIN, I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES, I HATE TO USE THE WORD PRECEDENT, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP TO FOR, FOR MORE OF THIS
I, I GUESS I WANNA GET THE COMMISSION'S TAKE ON THAT TOO.
I JUST, AGAIN, FEEL LIKE THE INFORMATION'S OUT THERE IF THE RESIDENTS AREN'T GOING OUT.
AND I MEAN, WHEN I, WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE, I KNEW WHAT I COULDN'T.
I MEAN, THERE'S THINGS I WANT TO DO.
UM, SO I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THAT PIECE OF IT.
EVERYTHING ELSE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
IT'S TO TOTALLY LOGICAL AND I GET THE CHALLENGES.
SO I GUESS I WANNA GET TO
UM, I DO APPRECIATE THAT THE CITY AND STAFF FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD SO QUICKLY.
UM, AND THANK YOU, UH, MR. HUTCHINSON FOR COMING AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF WYANT DOT WOODS.
UH, JUST TO MAKE MENTION, I LIVE IN THE FIRST SECTION OF WYANDOT WOODS AND, UM, AS, AS YOU, AS WE NOTED BEFORE, WE, WE SHARE THE SAME NAME.
UM, AND WE ALSO DO SOCIAL THINGS TOGETHER, WHICH IS VERY NICE.
AND OVER THE 10 YEARS, WE, OUR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CAME HERE OFTEN TO, UM, UH, WATCH THIS DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT HOW CLOSE THE HOMES WERE GOING TO BE AND NO
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YARDS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.AND, UM, I DO THINK THAT, UM, ONE REASON WHY THE LOTS ARE SMALL TOO, IS THAT YOU ALSO HAVE THAT BEAUTIFUL PARK THAT'S UP THE ROAD.
IT WOULD JUST, IT NOT EVEN UP THE ROAD, IT'S JUST AROUND YOUR CORNER.
AND THE WHOLE IDEA WAS TO MAKE A MORE, UM, OPEN AREA FOR EVERYONE TO GATHER AND BE TOGETHER.
AND I THINK IT, IT HAS DONE THAT FOR SURE.
UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY, BUT UM, I DO WANT TO SEE, UH, THIS SECTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GROW AND PROSPER AND LOOK LIKE IT'S DEVELOPING ALONG THE WAY THE WAY NEIGHBORS NE NEIGHBORHOODS DO.
AND THAT'S ADDING ON THINGS AS YOU GO AND ENHANCING IT, THE AREA AS WELL.
SO, UM, THE GOAL TO BRING THE LOTS TOGETHER AND TO HAVE MORE OF THAT, UM, UH, UH, SPACE FOR THEM TO DO THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED IS, IS, UM, A NEED, UM, THAT NEEDS TO, NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT, UM, AS WE GO.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, I, I STRUGGLE WITH THE SAME THING THAT MR. CHINNOCK STRUGGLES WITH THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
UM, MS. HARDER HIGHLIGHTED THE PUD NATURE.
THE BENEFIT OF THE PUD IS YOU GET TO CLUSTER CLUSTER DENSITY.
YOU GET TO DECIDE, UH, THE UNDERLYING ZONE IS ALWAYS UNDER CONSIDERATION WHEN IT COMES BEFORE A BODY SUCH AS THIS.
THERE'S WHAT DO WE WANT THE FUTURE LAND USE TO LOOK LIKE AND HOW CAN WE BALANCE MAYBE AN INCREASE IN DENSITY ONE PLACE FOR A TRADE OFF IN OF AN AMENITY IN ANOTHER? AND SO THAT'S WHAT WYANDOT WOODS'S SECTION TWO IS.
I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE HAVE 38 HOMES OF 55.
SO I HAVE, UH, SECTION NINE OF SUB AREA TWO IS IN OUR PLANNING REPORT THAT HAS 55 HOMES.
AND SO MR. CHINOOK ALLUDED TO IT.
WE, WE'VE ALL HAD THOSE AHA MOMENTS WHERE IT'S, OH, I CAN'T JUST DO WHATEVER I WANT.
AND, AND IT COMES AT SOME POINT IN A HOMEOWNER'S LIFE.
SOME OF US HAVE IT EARLIER, SOME OF US HAVE IT LATER.
AND YOU HAVE A SKEWED SAMPLE HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION WHO, WHO ARE INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
AND, AND SOME OF US HAVE HAD PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE IN LAND DEVELOPMENT.
THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.
WE HAVE 38 HOMES WHO HAVE IMPROVEMENT.
THIS BODY IS NOT CAPABLE OF BRINGING THOSE INTO COMPLIANCE.
AND THIS AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN DRAWS ATTENTION TO THOSE NINE AND PUTS A VERY LIMITED REMEDY TIME ON THOSE NINE.
AND SO AS A NEIGHBOR, AS A FELLOW CITIZEN, I AM VERY EMPATHETIC TO THAT.
I ALSO WORRY ABOUT ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, MAYBE NOT WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, WHO THOUGHT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS GOING TO LOOK ONE WAY, WHO WERE PUT ON NOTICE BY A ZONING, BY A LAND DEVELOPMENT TEXT, BY A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON WHAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, ONLY TO THEN HAVE, SHOULD THIS PASS TONIGHT THE CITY CHANGE OUR MINDS.
WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT A, A NORMAL OCCURRENCE, UH, COMMON, I'LL USE COMMON OCCURRENCE BECAUSE WE DO WANT OUR CITIZENS TO TRUST THE PROCESS THAT, THAT WHAT WE PASS IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT.
AND PART OF THE PROCESS IS COMING AND ASKING FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
THAT'S, WE INVITE EVERYONE TO IF THEY NEED TO.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER THE PLANNING PART OF PLANNING ITS ZONING COMMISSION.
IT IS A, A SLIPPERY SLOPE, SO TO SPEAK.
IF ONE NEIGHBORHOOD SAYS, HEY, WELL, WELL CHANGE MINE BECAUSE 38 PEOPLE ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND SOMEONE ELSE COMES AND SAYS, WELL CHANGE MINE BECAUSE WE'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF A STRUGGLE, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.
BUT 29 HOMEOWNERS WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE IMMEDIATELY AND POTENTIALLY OTHERS RIGHT AFTERWARDS WHO COULD THEREFORE BUILD PATIOS.
ONE OTHER CALL OUT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STATEMENT THAT PUD WITH THE UNDERLYING ZONE MS. HOLT ALLUDED TO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED REASONABLE IN TODAY'S WORLD.
TODAY'S WORLD, WE'RE NOT SEEING LOTS THE SAME SIZE AS YOUR LOTS.
WE'RE SEEING DEVELOPERS TRY TO COME IN WITH SMALLER AND SMALLER LOTS WITH SIX FOOT SETBACKS ON
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THE SIDE WITH VERY SMALL BACKYARDS.SO EEKING OUT 30 FEET BETWEEN HOMES IS A WIN IN TODAY'S ECONOMY, AND IT'S NOT THE SAME AS WHAT IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO OR 20 YEARS AGO.
SO BACK TO YOU AS FAR AS THE CLAR CLARIFICATION SOUGHT, LIKE TO ASK, DID YOU RECEIVE CLARIFICATION FROM THE COMMISSION? UH, NOT NECESSARILY ON THE HOT TUBS, BUT
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE, UH, OPEN UP THE FLOOD GATES, I GUESS, FOR PEOPLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT, COME BACK, ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LATER.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, DESPITE THAT, I THINK THAT PLANNING'S POINT THAT THEY COULD HAVE, UM, APPROVED THIS LAYOUT ON A NEW DEVELOPMENT NOW IS RELEVANT TO ME.
UM, I THINK THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE VERY FRUSTRATING TO BE ONE OF THOSE NINE WHO STILL DOESN'T FIT IN.
TO YOUR POINT, WE DON'T HAVE AN OPTION TO ADDRESS THOSE ANYWAY.
UM, I STILL, AS A PULSE CHECK, I GUESS I'M STILL WOULD BE LEANING TOWARDS APPROVAL.
I, UH, I DON'T LIKE THE CURRENT SITUATION, BUT PRAGMATICALLY, UH, I THINK IT, IT IT'S AN APPROPRIATE SOLUTION BEING OFFERED BY PLANNING IN TERMS OF FINDING A WAY TO, UM, I HATE SAY RETROACTIVELY, BUT IN TERMS OF FINDING A WAY TO ALIGN, UH, THIS UPDATED TEXT WITH, UH, WITH WHAT WOULD OCCUR IF IT WAS BEING BUILT TODAY.
COULD, COULD I INTERJECT WITH SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT? YES, PLEASE.
UM, WE, THE APPLICATION BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THIS EVENING IS AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION, UM, FOR WHICH THERE ARE CRITERIA, UM, AND IN PARTICULAR FOR A MODIFICATION TO THE PRELIMINARY OR TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, THERE ARE CRITERIA IN WHICH THESE MINOR MODIFICATIONS, UH, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
AND ONE OF THE DISTINCTIONS I WOULD POINT OUT BETWEEN THE CRITERIA THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THIS APPLICATION AND TO, FOR EXAMPLE, A VARIANCE APPLICATION IS WHEN SOMEBODY GOES BEFORE BZA LOOKING FOR A VARIANCE.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, IS THIS A, A CONDITION THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER THEMSELVES CONTRIBUTED TO? THAT IS NOT A CRITERION FOR THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION OR FOR THE, UM, SORT OF THE SUB CRITERIA FOR THE TEXT MODIFICATION HERE.
UM, AND, AND LIKEWISE, IF THESE HOMES WERE TO COME BEFORE BZA SEEKING A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE ENCROACHMENT OF THEIR PATIOS, ONE OF B Z'S CRITERIA ARE, OR IS, UM, WHETHER THEIR CIRCUMSTANCE WOULD BE BETTER ADDRESSED BY A TEXT AMENDMENT.
SO WE KIND OF FALL INTO THAT TWILIGHT ZONE THERE.
UM, JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT ARE APPLYING TO THE DIFFERENT CLASSES OF APPLICATION.
AND, UM, THE CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ASK FORGIVENESS TYPE OF MENTALITY, NOT, UH, FALLING SQUARELY WITHIN THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE FOR AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
MS. HOLT, IN, IN REFERENCING THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT, UH, THE COLUMN THAT IS, UH, APPROXIMATE PATIO DECK DISTANCE FROM THE PROPER PROPERTY LINE, WHICH ONE SAYS DUB DISCOVERY? IS THAT DISCOVERY? IS THAT, NO, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH DUB DISCOVERY AS A WORD DUB DISCOVERY IS OUR ONLINE GIS MAPPING TOOL.
SO WE CANNOT TRESPASS ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.
SO WE ARE GETTING OUR APPROXIMATE MEASUREMENTS FROM THAT TOOL.
SO THERE ARE A FEW IN THERE THAT EXCEED THE 20.
SO I'M LOOKING PARTICULARLY AT 77 18 KELLY DRIVE, THAT HAS A 21.35 FOOT WITH A NOTE THAT DOES NOT APPEAR TO MEET.
CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE CRITERIA WHERE WE HAVE, UH, 41 1 41 12 LION WOODS, THAT IS AT 19.38 FEET
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AND APPEARS TO MEET.CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND? YEAH, GIVE US JUST A SECOND PLEASE.
MAYBE WHILE SARAH IS LOOKING AT THAT, WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY THAT WE ARE RELYING ON GIS, UM, IF THE AMENDMENT IS APPROVED TONIGHT, WE ARE ASKING ALL THE HOMEOWNERS TO APPLY FOR THAT CERTIFICATE OF ZONING PLAN APPROVAL.
AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING IN MORE ACCURATE INFORMATION.
SO WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS A GUESS, BUT THERE MAY BE STILL SOME ISSUES TO BE RESOLVED.
YEAH, SO WHERE, WHERE I WAS LOOKING IS WITH THE DISTANCE.
IS THERE A MIDDLE GROUND IS WHERE MY HEAD WAS.
RIGHT NOW THE RECOMMENDATION IS 20 FEET, WHICH THEN MEANS 15 FEET BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO ENCROACH FIVE.
SO 15 FEET BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THIS FLAT WORK IS THERE.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE I HAVE MANY HOMEOWNERS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED IF THAT 20 WENT TO A 25.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT FOR THAT REFERENCE COLUMN, JUST TO SEE IF THERE WERE WIGGLE ROOM THERE THAT COULD ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING, BUT STILL MAKE US A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE FROM A A FOOT PERSPECTIVE.
THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WE HAD LOOKED AT IN TANDEM WITH THE HOA AND THEY ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND STAKED VARIOUS DIMENSIONS BETWEEN THESE HOUSES, YOU KNOW, BACK TO BACK.
AND THIS 20 FOOT SEEMED TO BE THE SWEET SPOT OF, YEAH, I, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR EMPIRICAL.
AND THIS IS AS CLOSE TO EMPIRICAL AS WE HAVE.
I MEAN, SOME OF THIS IS A FEELING, DOES IT, DOES IT FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH ELBOW ROOM AND DOES IT FEEL APPROPRIATE? DOES IT LEAVE ROOM FOR PRIVACY PLANTINGS IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO THAT WITHOUT GETTING IN THE EASEMENT OR THE NO BUILD ZONE? UM, AND WITHOUT LOOKING AT THESE INDIVIDUAL LOTS SPECIFICALLY AND DOING THE MEASUREMENTS, WE REALLY CAN'T SAY RIGHT NOW, WHY IS THIS LOT AT 19 AND THIS LOT'S AT 23.
AND YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE'S VARIANCES BETWEEN LOTS.
SO I, I JUST HEAR, I HEAR A LOT OF HESITATION EVEN THOUGH THERE'S GENERALLY MAYBE THERE'S A LOT OF DISCOMFORT EXPRESSED FROM THE COMMISSION.
SO I'M TRYING TO SEE IS THERE AN UNDERSTOOD AN OPTION B? DID YOU HAVE UNDERSTOOD, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TYPICALLY IN A MEETING WE WOULD'VE CLOSED DELIBERATION, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF NAPKIN MATTING HERE, SO APOLOGIES.
UH, WHEN WE DID THE MATH, UM, I WAS THINKING LESS ABOUT THE 38 THAT WERE, UH, ALREADY BREAKING THE RULE AND MORE ON THE 20 OR SO THAT ARE WAITING, UH, ON THE OUTCOME OF TONIGHT'S MEETING TO BUILD A PATIO.
UH, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT TWO OF THEM SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS, ONE EVEN SUBMITTED A VARIANCE AND CAME BEFORE YOU.
UH, GENERALLY JUST BECAUSE HE DIDN'T KNOW THE RULES AND WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET A PATIO.
UH, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE MOST IMPACTED BY GOING FROM 20 TO 25.
AND THE ONES WHERE THE MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE OF 20 TO 25 IS A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THEM.
THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE IN THEIR NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARD WHERE SPECIFICALLY KELLY COURT THAT BACKS UP TO DOMINO DRIVE.
THOSE ARE MUCH DEEPER LOTS THAN DOMINO DRIVE.
SO THERE'S LESS THAN TWO SCENARIOS WHERE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TWO PATIOS THAT ARE WITHIN 40 FEET OF EACH OTHER, OR APOLOGIES 30.
UH, BECAUSE MOST OF THE LOTS, UH, ON KELLY COURT ARE VERY DEEP, WHEREAS THE DOMINO DRIVE LOTS ARE MUCH, MUCH SMALLER.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
THE, THE CHALLENGE FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PERSPECTIVE IS WITH, UM, THE TEXT MODIFICATION.
SO FOR INSTANCE, SETBACKS, WE'VE PASSED CODE, NOT WE PERSONALLY, CITY COUNCIL HAS PASSED CODE TO BE ABLE TO DO THE, HEY, YOU CAN HAVE SIX FOOT SIDE SETBACK, BUT NOT LESS THAN 14 BETWEEN HOMES OR THESE HOMES ARE ALREADY BUILT.
WE CAN'T JUST PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS.
HEY, YOUR NEIGHBOR BUILT SO YOU GET 15 FOOT, BUT SORRY, YOU GOTTA DO 20.
'CAUSE THE TEXT MODIFICATION IS IN THE PAST, MR. OH, THEY, THEY'RE ENGAGED.
YEAH, AS THEY LOOK AT THAT, I THINK ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT WE DID LOOK AT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES AND HOW THIS FITS IN.
AND, AND TO SARAH'S POINT, I THINK AS WE WERE EVALUATING THOSE DIFFERENT NUMBERS AND HAVING QUITE A FEW DISCUSSIONS ABOUT 25 OR 30 OR 20 OR WHAT
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IT WAS, WE TOOK THOSE STANDARDS INTO ACCOUNT.UM, AND, AND WE, WE ALSO HEAR FROM ESPECIALLY OUR EAST SIDE OF THE CITY NEIGHBORS, THAT THE RURAL FIELD THAT WAS CODIFIED, THAT WAS BUILT IS BEING LOST.
AND SO AGAIN, THAT PLANNING HAT, YOU GUYS SHARE THE SAME RESPONSIBILITY WITH US.
AND SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AS WE, UH, MULL OVER.
SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, THIS WAS AN IDEA THAT, THAT I HAD THEM KIND OF INVESTIGATE BECAUSE OF THE PUSHBACK.
BUT, UM, I'M LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR ESSENTIALLY STRAW POLL.
DOES THE COMMISSION WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS TIME WITH CHAIRMAN COLE? MAY I SPEAK TO, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT ADDRESSES YOU WERE LOOKING AT AGAIN FOR ME PLEASE? I WAS LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT 41 12 Y WOODS, THE FOURTH ON THE LIST, AND 77 42 KEL, UH, NO, SORRY, 77 18 KELLY DRIVE.
SO ONE IS A 19.38 FOOT AND HAS AN APPEARS TO MEET NOTE.
THE OTHER WAS A 21.35 FOOT WITH A, DOES NOT APPEAR TO MEET NO JUDGE.
AND IF YOU THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE THIRD TO LAST COLUMN, UM, THAT APPEARS TO BE IN THE NO BUILD ZONE.
IT DOES LOOK LIKE, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE LIST, AND THANK YOU MR. HUTCHINSON, ON YOUR CLARIFICATION FOR FUTURE.
BUT THE REASON THAT THIS, THIS CAME FORWARD IS THE PREVIOUS, AND SO THERE'S A BALANCING ACT THERE, BUT IT DOES APPEAR THAT IF WE WERE TO ENTERTAIN A 25 OF THE 38, 1 ADDITIONAL HOMEOWNER COULD POTENTIALLY BY 0.7, NOT EVEN 0.7 0.62 FEET, WHICH TO ME WOULD BE A BZA KIND OF THAT, THAT THAT IS A PERFECT SITUATION FOR GOING THROUGH THE BZA ROUTE.
AND I, I'M ENCROACHING, BUT BY, YOU KNOW, FOUR INCHES.
SO THAT WOULD BRING INSTEAD OF 29, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE BRINGING IN TONIGHT INSTEAD OF 29, THAT WOULD BRING 28 INTO COMPLIANCE.
NOW ORPHAN THE ONE THAT IS A BZA APPEAL, THE NINE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT.
YES, IT DOESN'T HAVE CONSIDERATION FOR THE FUTURE, BUT THAT WOULD BE A 25 FOOT INSTEAD OF A 20 FOOT WITH FIVE FEET ENCROACHING AVAILABLE TO ALLOW THAT 20 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, SO THE IDEA IS RIGHT NOW THE, THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A 20 FOOT SETBACK, WHICH THEN ALLOWS ENCROACHMENT BY FIVE FEET, WHICH MEANS FIVE 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE MATERIAL BEFORE US HAS A DISTANCE BETWEEN APPROXIMATE PATIO DECK DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE WITH A MATRIX OF ALL OF THE 38.
AND ONLY ONE OF THOSE IS LESS THAN 20 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TODAY.
UH, SORRY, ONLY ONE OF THOSE THAT SAYS APPEARS TO MEET IS LESS THAN 20 FEET.
SO SHOULD WE ADOPT THE SAME LANGUAGE ONLY AT A 25 FOOT WITH STILL THEY CAN ENCROACH FIVE FEET.
ONLY ONE OF THOSE FALLS BELOW THAT 20 FOOT THRESHOLD AND THAT ONE'S AT THE 19.38 FEET.
NOW WHAT, WHAT I DON'T KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER STAFF HAS HAD OCCASION TO GO LOOK OR IF MR. HUTCHINSON CAN SPEAK TO IT, IS THAT THAT EXTRA FIVE FEET IS ONLY FOR AT GRADE PATIO.
SO WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS OF THE OTHERS THAT, THAT ARE UNAFFECTED, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE IT TO A 25 FOOT SETBACK INSTEAD OF THE 20, WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS IF IN THAT
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20 TO 25 FOOT ZONE THERE ARE ANY, YOU KNOW, VERTICAL IMPROVEMENTS, SEATED WALLS, OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS EXCEEDING 18 INCHES, WHICH IS WHAT OUR ACCESSORY USES.SO I DIDN'T HEAR MITCH'S MR. HUTCHINSON, BUT I WILL ALLOW HIM TO SPEAK FOR HIMSELF.
THERE ARE SEVERAL WITH, UH, THAT ARE ON A GRADE AND THEY HAVE A SECOND STORY, UH, DECK FOLLOWED BY A PATIO BELOW.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THEIR 25 OR 20 WOULD BE, BUT THOSE DO EXIST IN THE COMMUNITY.
I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THOSE FOLKS WITH A BUILT DECK ABOVE GRADE TO GET IT PERMITTED BECAUSE THAT IS A SAFETY CONCERN.
DO YOU HAVE ANY WITH, UH, A SECOND STORY AFTER, SO IN, UM, DIRECTION FROM THE HOMEOWNER, FROM THE HOME ITSELF, SECOND STORY FURTHER FROM THE PROPERTY THAN THE DECK.
CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? SO YOU MENTIONED MR. BOGGS ASKED, ARE THERE ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE HIGHER THAN AT GRADE? YOUR CALL OUT WAS THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE A SECOND STORY DECK WITH A PATIO.
ARE ANY OF THOSE REVERSE? SO THE HIGHER THE, LET ME SIMPLIFY.
MAYBE IT'D EXTEND OUT 10 FEET OR SO AT MOST.
AND THEN THE BELOW PATIO WOULD EXTEND OUT A LITTLE FURTHER.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY STAFF SUPPORTED THE 20 FOOT IS TO ADDRESS THIS VERY SITUATION, THIS WORST CASE SCENARIO THAT'S ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU, THAT IS TYPICAL OF THE LOTS IN THE CENTER OF SUB AREA TWO, WHERE IF WE WENT TO 25, WE'RE ONLY GAINING A FOOT AND A QUARTER, UH, UH, UNDERSTOOD.
AND WE'RE REALLY NOT MAKING PROGRESS WITH THIS SIDEWALK EFFECT.
WE'RE NOT GAINING PROGRESS WITH THE SIDE EFFECT.
UM, THE, ONE OF THE OBSERVATIONS THAT WE HAD MADE WAS THAT THE ALLOWABLE DECK AREA AS SHOWN IN PINK HERE, ESSENTIALLY, UM, FUNCTIONS LIKE A SIDEWALK.
YOU CAN EVEN FIT A SET OF STAIRS IN IT COMING DOWN TO GRADE.
AND IF WE'RE ONLY ADDING A FOOT AND A QUARTER ONTO THAT, THAT DOESN'T SEEM VERY USEFUL.
I, I, I, I THINK THAT IS UNDERSTOOD.
I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, A LOT OF SITUATIONS WHERE YOU BUY A HOME IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU CAN'T DO EVERY, I, I LIKE A THIRD CAR GARAGE.
AND SO I APPRECIATE THE, THE DUE DILIGENCE IN TRYING TO GET EVERY HOME ALLOWABLE A PATIO.
I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT, THAT, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT.
SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, UM, I DID A LAW SPEAKING IN THE LAST 10 MINUTES, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I GO BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
MR. CHINOOK, YOU HAD A, A SIMILAR CONCERN, SO I WANNA AT LEAST SEE STR HOLD BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE.
IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SUPPORTIVE, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE AMENDED TEXT OR THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE TEXT MODIFICATION AS WAS PRESENTED IN THE STAFF REPORT PRIOR TO ANY DISCUSSION THIS EVENING AT THE 20 FEET? I AM, AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE REASON YOU BRING UP THE 25 FEET.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERY LOT'S THE SAME.
UM, BUT I AM A LITTLE RELUCTANT TO ADJUST THAT WHEN IT WOULD ONLY AFFECT THE ONE PARTY.
I'M IN FAVOR ALSO, MR. CHINOOK.
I, I, I'M, UH, SHE GENERALLY NOT IN FAVOR.
AND, UH, TO ME THE 25 VERSUS 20 IS A LITTLE NEGLIGIBLE.
I THINK THAT FOR ME, THAT'S NOT THE, THE UNDERLYING ISSUE I'M HAVING WITH THIS MR. ALEXANDER.
I AGREE WITH THE POINT, THE TWO, THE TWO YOU'RE MAKING, AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT THERE'S, THE PROCESS IS FLAWED, BUT I LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW.
I THINK CLARIFICATION, THE PROCESS IS FLAWED.
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TO BUILD DECKS, THANK YOU.AND BUILD PATIOS WITH GETTING PERMITS IS FLAWED.
AND I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I LOOK
AND SO I, I THINK IF ANYTHING, AND, AND IF PROPERTY VALUES KEEP INCREASING AND PEOPLE START DOING ADDITIONS TO THESE HOUSES, I MEAN, THE VARIANCES ARE GONNA GO THROUGH THE ROOF.
NOW THAT MAY BE 10, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT, BUT I THINK WE'RE CORRECTING SOMETHING HERE WITH WHAT THE STAFF IS TRYING TO DO THAT.
AND I WAS GONNA ASK A QUESTION EARLIER.
DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY LOOK REALLY CAREFULLY AT WHAT THE SETBACKS AND WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE YOU DO AFTER IT BITES YOU ONCE
OKAY, SO, SO, SO I, I, I, I'M GONNA SUPPORT, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINTS AND YOU'RE, I I YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT, BUT, BUT I JUST, I'M GONNA SUPPORT WHAT'S BEING UNDERSTOOD.
SO WITH THAT, UH, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DELIBERATION BEFORE I CALL FOR A VOTE? ALRIGHT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MOVE FOR PROPOSAL FOR AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO AMEND THE NORTHEAST QUAD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SUB, UH, TEXT FOR SUB AREA TWO.
SORRY, I'M NOT WORDING THAT CORRECTLY.
INCLUDING THE CONDITIONS, INCLUDING THE CONDITIONS PUT FORTH BY THE CITY.
UH, PROBABLY ONE OF THE, I'VE DONE THIS A LONG TIME AND PRO PROBABLY ONE OF THE HARDEST VOTES THAT I'VE HAD.
UH, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE NOT ONLY YOUR COMING BEFORE US, HOA PRESIDENTS, UH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THICK SKIN.
AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMUNITY PUBLIC SERVICE AS WELL, BECAUSE IT IS A LABOR OF LOVE.
UM, I, I DO WANT ON THE RECORD, UM, MY PARTICULAR VOTE, UH, THAT DUE TO THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY PASSED, THAT IS REFLECTED IN MY VOTE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE REACH OUT TO STAFF, BUT I, I REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE YOUR RESIDENTS TO GET, ESPECIALLY THOSE ABOVE GRADE ITEMS PERMITTED AND INSPECTED.
THAT IS NOT, THE CITY DOESN'T MAKE MONEY OFF OF THAT, THAT IS A PUBLIC SERVICE, AND WE WANT OUR NEIGHBORS SAFE.
TELL HIM WE HAD PIZZA WITHOUT HIM.
THAT WAS OUR ONLY CASE FOR THIS EVENING, BUT WE DO HAVE
[Metro Center Revitalization Update]
COMMUNICATIONS AND, UH, CHRIS JUST STEPPED OUT, SO I IMAGINE THAT HE IS GOING TO BE EXCITED TO COME BACK IN AND SHARE WITH US.SO CHRIS WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE METRO CENTER PROJECT AND SOON AS, DID HE FALL ASLEEP? JASON
ALL RIGHT, MR. WILL, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.
I'M EXCITED TO TALK TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT METRO CENTER AND THE REVITALIZATION EFFORTS THE CITY HAS BEEN, UM, CONDUCTING OVER THE PAST YEAR.
UM, HOPEFULLY THIS IS A LITTLE MORE FUN.
THIS IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY, SO NO VOTES.
SO, UM, JUST GONNA SHARE A FEW, UH, PIECES OF INFORMATION AND, UM, PULL UP SOME NEXT STEPS.
SO, AS THE COMM COMMISSION MAY REMEMBER, UH, CITY COUNCIL MADE IT ONE OF THEIR GOALS IN 2022 TO REVITALIZE THE METRO CENTER, UM, THROUGH THE REVIT REVITALIZATION VISION.
UH, TO ADVANCE THIS GOAL, THE CITY ENGAGED A TEAM OF CONSULTANTS LED BY A FIRM CALLED SUZAKI TO DEVELOP AND DESIGN THIS IMPLEMENTATION FRAME FRAMEWORK PLAN.
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THIS PLAN KICKED OFF AT THE END OF LAST YEAR WITH STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.UM, AFTER DUE DILIGENCE PHASES, THE TEAM IDENTIFIED AND EXPLORED OPPORTUNITIES AND DESIGN DESIGN SCENARIOS, WHICH WERE VETTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
UM, WE ARE NOW TOWARDS THE END OF THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT STAGE, AND IN THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING THE, AND FINALIZING THE PLAN, UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL DO SO BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.
SO THE METRO CENTER REVITALIZATION PLAN, UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE AS A DRAFT ON IT IS PRESENTLY, UM, IN THE DRAFT STAGE, CONTAINS FOUR SECTIONS, UM, CONTEXT, VISION DESIGN, FRAMEWORK, AND GUIDELINES AND IMPLEMENTATION, WHICH WE'RE GONNA WALK THROUGH, UM, THIS EVENING.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS, OF THIS PLAN IS REALLY TO ESTABLISH AND FURTHER ARTICULATE THE VISION FOR METRO CENTER.
UM, COMMUNICATE THAT VISION TO COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS AND FUTURE DEVELOPERS, UM, AND PROVIDE A TOOL FOR STAFF, THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TO EVALUATE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, ALONG WITH OTHER TOOLS IN THE CITY'S TOOL BELT.
SO THAT FIRST SECTION CONTEXT SUMMARIZES KEY ISSUES AND OPPORTUNITIES IN METRO CENTER TODAY, AND RECOGNIZES PREVIOUS PLANNING AND EFFORTS, UM, FROM REC RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE 2022 METRO CENTER VISIONING AND SUBSEQUENT UPDATE OF DCAP, UM, AND THE RECENTLY ADOPTED ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH ALSO SERVE AS A FOUNDATION FOR THIS.
SO, METRO CENTER TODAY IS, UM, A PRODUCT OF ITS ERROR, MAINLY SINGLE USE BUILDINGS SURROUNDED BY SURFACE PARKING, REALLY DISCONNECTED FROM THEIR NEIGHBORS, UM, AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND DISTRICTS WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, AND NO PUBLIC GATHERING PLACES.
SO THIS PARK HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL FOR MANY DECADES, BUT HALF CENTURY LATER, AFTER ITS, UM, CONSTRUCTION AS THE SUBURBAN OFFICES, UM, HAVE AGED, UM, THIS OFFICE PARK MODEL IS, UM, HAVING INCREASING CHALLENGES, UM, COMPETING IN THIS OFFICE, UH, OFFICE MARKET, UM, AS THOSE ARE LOOKING FOR MORE AMENITY RICH AREAS, UM, WITH MORE OFFERINGS.
SO THOUGH IT'S STILL A VERY DESIRABLE OFFICE PARK, WE ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO MAKE IT, UM, IMPROVED FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THE CONTEXT OF WHERE METRO CENTER IS IN THE LARGER COMMUNITY.
UM, ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED, UM, IDENTIFIES THIS AS A MIXED USE CENTER AREA.
MOSTLY WE HAVE A FEW MIXED USE AREAS, MIXED USE.
URBAN IS BRIDGE PARK, MIXED USE CENTER IS IN METRO CENTER AND OTHER AREAS IN THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA, WHICH METRO CENTER IS A PART OF, AS WELL AS THE OU AND THE WOOD AREA.
THERE'S ALSO OTHER SMALLER MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS AND VILLAGE, WHICH ARE DIFFERENT SCALES, WHICH ARE DESIGNATED FOR DIFFERENT AREAS IN THE CITY, AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY, UM, INDUSTRIAL FLEX INNOVATION, AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
SO THIS IS ME FOCUSING JUST ON THE METRO CENTER.
SO AS I MENTIONED THAT MIXED USE CENTER FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION.
THERE ARE ALSO OTHER OFFICE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS AREA AROUND ME, UM, AROUND METRO CENTER, UM, MIXED USE CENTER HERE.
THIS DESIGNATION IS DIFFERENT THAN BRIDGE PARK, WHERE BRIDGE PARK IS TALKING MORE ABOUT VERTICAL MIXED USE THIS IN THE MIXED USE CENTER.
IT LEAVES OPEN MORE FOR MIXED USE, HORIZONTAL MIXES OF USE OF USES AND MIXED USE VERTICAL AT SPECIFIC LOCATIONS, UM, WHERE IT'S NEEDED.
UM, SO THIS PLAN HELPS KIND OF, UH, DISTINGUISH THAT A LITTLE BIT AND BUILD UPON THAT.
SO SOME KEY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PRIOR PLANNING, UM, THAT FUTURE WORK REALLY NEEDS TO SUPPORT EXISTING OFFICE TENANTS, UM, WITH COM, COMPLIMENTARY USES AND AMENITIES.
UM, REALLY EMBRACE WALKABILITY, UM, AND NEW TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS THAT CONNECT THIS DISTRICT.
UM, WITH THE, THE LARGER CITY-WIDE NETWORK, UH, FO FOSTER, A SENSE OF PLACE AND AN IDENTITY UNIQUE TO METRO CENTER.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT BRIDGE PARK OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE US.
THIS IS GONNA BE ITS OWN PLACE.
UM, THINK ABOUT CONSOLIDATING UNDERUTILIZED SURFACE PARKING, UM, TO CREATE NEW OPPORTUNITIES AND REAL ESTATE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, AND PROVIDE VARIETY OF NEW HOUSING TYPES FOR WORKERS AND RESIDENTS.
AND THEN REALLY ESTABLISH A UNIQUE NATURAL OPEN SPACE THAT REALLY CONNECTS THE DISTRICT.
SO THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE REALLY WHAT, UM, THIS PLAN STANDS UPON AND KIND OF BUILDS UPON FROM PRIOR WORK.
SO THAT SECOND SECTION, THE VISION, UM, IS THE VISIONING PROCESS, UM, THAT THIS TEAM TOOK, AND THE PLAN THAT ILLUSTRATES THE NEW IDENTITY FOR METRO CENTER AND THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE DISTRICT TO A MORE WALKABLE, VIBRANT DISTRICT AND REALLY WEAVES DEVELOPMENT AND NATURE TOGETHER.
THIS WAS A, UH, LED BY, UM, A LOT OF INPUT FROM CITY COUNCIL, UH, AND PROPERTY OWNERS AND STAKEHOLDERS WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE ARE SOME OF THE PHOTOS IN THIS ROOM, UM, FROM CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSIONS.
WE HAD SOME, UM, FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS WITH THEM BACK IN DECEMBER, AND THEN WE MET WITH THEM AGAIN IN JANUARY, MAY, AND THEN DEC PAST SEPTEMBER, OR THIS RECENT SEPTEMBER
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DURING WORK SESSIONS TO GET THEIR INPUT AND CONSENSUS AND BUILD THIS PROCESS.UH, WE ALSO ENGAGE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES.
UM, WE HOSTED A FEW PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES, AND THEN WE'VE HAD A TELL DUBLIN WEBPAGE WHERE WE POSTED INFORMATION AND TOOK, UM, SURVEYS AND SHARED OTHER INFORMATION.
AND THEN WE'VE TALKED TO STAKEHOLDERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, NUMEROUS TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WHICH HAS BEEN A BIG HELP IN REALLY SHAPING THIS AND GETTING, UM, BUY-IN FROM PROPERTY OWNERS AND FOLKS IN THESE BUILDINGS.
SO THIS IS JUST A VISION CONCEPT PLAN.
SO SIMILAR IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT WHERE THERE'S A VISION PLAN, UM, WHICH, UH, ELABORATES WHAT THAT FUTURE VISION IS.
THIS ISN'T A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT OR WHAT HAS TO BE, BUT IT SHARES KIND OF THAT LARGER VISION FOR REDEVELOPING THE STORMWATER PONDS THAT ARE THERE AND KIND OF TIRED AND THINKING OF A NEW CENTRAL GREEN SPACE DOWN THE MIDDLE WITH A NEW MIX OF BUILDINGS REALLY FILLING IN SURFACE PARKING, UM, POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT AND FILLING IN CERTAIN PLACES.
UM, SOME BUILDINGS EXISTING OR SHOWN IN THIS, UH, CONCEPT PLAN, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S NO RHYME OR EVEN IT'S JUST SHOWING THE INTENT THAT THERE IS SOME LARGER VISION AND CHANGE IN METRO CENTER THAN WHAT THERE IS THERE TODAY.
AND THEN ALONG WITH THE SLIDE TAKES A SECOND, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, ALONG WITH THE, THE PLAN, THERE ARE CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS.
IT'S STILL LOADING ON THE COMPUTER, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME CONCEPT ART, SOME VISUALS THAT GO ALONG WITH THIS.
AND THIS IS REALLY MEANT TO SHOW THE INTENT, UM, WHAT OF THAT CHANGE IS RIGHT? THAT IDENTITY NOW IS DEFINED BY BEING IN A SURFACE PARKING LOT AND WALKING TO YOUR OFFICE BUILDING.
THIS IS TRYING TO MAKE A MUCH MORE AMENITY RICH ENVIRONMENT, CONNECTING GREEN SPACE DEVELOPMENT AND REALLY PROVIDING A PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS, UH, FOLKS THAT WORK AND MAYBE FUTURE RESIDENTS TO BE AND GATHER.
SO THE THIRD SECTION, THE DESIGN FRAMEWORK AND GUIDELINES PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OPEN SPACE MOBILITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND CREATE A FRAMEWORK FOR EVALUATING FUTURE PROPOSALS.
THIS REALLY IS MEANT TO BE A TOOL, UM, TO ENSURE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS ASSESSED AS PART OF A WHOLE AND NOT INDIVIDUALLY.
SO EACH OF THE OPEN SPACE MOBILITY AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, SUBSECTIONS OF THIS, WE'LL HAVE A COLLECTION OF PAGES.
UH, THEY HAVE DESIGN FRAMEWORKS AND MAPS WHICH SHOW SPATIALLY HOW THINGS FIT TOGETHER, DESIGN PRINCIPLES AROUND CERTAIN TOPICS TO GUIDE, UM, PROVIDING GOOD INTENT, AND THEN OTHER KEY CONSIDERATIONS AND SUPPORTING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT GET DOWN TO MORE DETAILED LEVEL, UM, OF RECOMMENDATION.
AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH JUST AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, EACH OF THOSE THREE AND, UH, POINT OUT A FEW OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, UH, AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS MIGHT COME TO YOU IN THE FUTURE.
AND METRO CENTER STAFF WILL IN THEIR PRESENTATION AND STAFF REPORTS, UM, USE THIS AND DISCUSS MORE SPECIFICALLY WITH EACH DEVELOPMENT.
BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HIGHLIGHT AND NOT KEEP YOU HERE TOO LATE.
SO ONE OF THOSE IS THE OPEN SPACE.
SO THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK DIAGRAMS FROM THAT, UM, IN METRO, I KNOW THE, THE FUTURE VISION IS THAT THERE ARE THESE DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE OPEN SPACE ROOMS, EACH WITH ITS OWN INTENT.
AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE PURPOSEFUL, MEANINGFUL, OPEN SPACE, UH, AND CONNECTED OPEN SPACE.
UH, SO COS GRAY RUN AN EXISTING KIND OF RIPARIAN AREA ALONG CO THE COS GRAY RUN IS MEANT TO BE MORE NATURALIZED, BUT STITCHED TOGETHER WITH TRAILS, UM, ACTIVATED AT STRATEGIC NODES.
THIS NEW WATERWAY PARK, WHICH I KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED EARLIER, IS REDEVELOPING THE PONDS THAT ARE THERE THAT THE ORIGINAL PONDS DUG IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES AND CREATING A MORE AMENITY RICH KIND OF TOUCH FEEL OPEN SPACE WITH ECOLOGY AT THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S MEANT TO BE, AGAIN, ACTIVATED WITH DIFFERENT AREAS STRATEGICALLY ALONG THAT, UM, GREEN SPACE.
UM, THERE IS ALSO THE FRANCE ROAD GATEWAY, WHICH IS MORE OF A LINEAR PARK, WHICH HELPS TRANSITION FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN METRO CENTER WITH SOME OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE EAST AND PROVIDES A NEW LINEAR TRAIL SPACE AND MAKES USE OF THAT.
SOME OF THE MOA, WHICH IS THE METRO OWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHERE THERE'S SOME DRY BASINS AND WET BASINS THERE NOW.
AND THEN THIS HIGHWAY FRONTAGE WAS MEANT TO BE MORE OF THAT GREEN CALLING CARD FRONT DOOR THAT WE ALWAYS SEE DRIVING AROUND DUBLIN CORPORATE ARCHITECTURES OUT THERE.
BUT WE HAVE NICE MANURED LANDSCAPING, UM, TO KIND OF SOFTEN THAT AND CREATE THAT NICE EDGE AS FOLKS DRIVE BY TWO 70.
DON'T, DON'T, OF COURSE COME RIGHT INTO METRO CENTER.
SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF A DRAWING, UM, INCLUDED IN THE PLAN SHOWING THAT WITH DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT EACH SPACE IS KIND OF, UH, ALIGNED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
UM, I DO WANNA ORIENT YOU, I KNOW IT WAS SHOWING YOU A PLAN VIEW.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE 33, UM, TO THE BOTTOM TWO
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70 AND THE WEST IS TO YOUR LEFT.AND THEN FRANCE ROAD IS THE THICKER PURPLE LINE CLOSEST TO US.
SO WITH THE MOBILITY FRAMEWORK, MULTIMODAL MOBILITY FRAMEWORK, BUILDING UPON THE MOBILITY PLAN, UM, AND OUR ENVISION DUBLIN, WE HAVE A SET A STREET HIERARCHIES, UM, THAT KIND OF BUILD UPON THAT WITH EACH DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY COULD LOOK LIKE.
A LOT OF THESE STREETS, AGAIN, ARE OF THE AIR AS WELL.
SO WIDER STREETS, NO ON STREET PARKING, NOT ALWAYS PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE MIGHT EXPECT.
SO WE'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO RETROFIT SOME OF THESE STREETS INTO THE FUTURE TO MATCH THE INTENT OF WHAT WE WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE.
UM, ALSO IN THE MOBILITY PLAN, UH, THE I TWO 70 CROSSING, WHICH IS IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH WOULD CONNECT METRO PLACE SOUTH WITH SHIRE RINGS ON EMERALD PARKWAY OR CLOSER TO WARD PARKWAY AND A NEW METRO BLAZER CONNECTION, UM, BETWEEN METRO AND BLAZER IS ALSO HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS AS PART OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT THOSE STREET CONNECTIONS MIGHT WANNA LOOK LIKE AND TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THIS A LITTLE BIT.
SO WHEN DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS DO COME, THE CITY HAS A A PLAN IN PLACE.
WE'RE ALSO INTRODUCING THE IDEA OF THAT WOUND WORTH TYPE OF STREET WHERE WE'RE BUILDING.
UH, WE'RE CONNECTING MOBILITY AND PUBLIC SPACE ON THESE LOW VOLUME, UM, AREAS THAT WE WANT TO REALLY BLEND DEVELOPMENT PUBLIC SPACE, BUT STILL ADD SERVICE.
UM, PROVIDING THOSE WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
UM, LOTS OF OFF STREET TRAILS AND CONNECTIONS.
THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT HAS A MUCH TIGHTER STREET NETWORK HERE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS, SO THOUGH THE STREET NETWORK'S NOT QUITE AS DENSE, WE STILL WANT TO ENCOURAGE WALKABILITY WITH PERMEABILITY.
SO MAKING SURE WE'RE STILL GETTING PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, UM, AND PASEOS THROUGH HERE.
UM, ALSO MAKING SURE WE'RE INCLUDING OTHER MOBILITY, UM, AND TRANSIT.
THERE IS TRANSIT HERE ALREADY, BUT AGAIN, CONTINUE TO PROMOTE THAT.
SO CREATING TRANSIT HUB OPPORTUNITIES, NOT JUST ONE BUT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DISTRICT.
AND THEN THE OTHER, UM, SUBSECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, GOING BACK TO KIND OF A PLAN U PLAN VIEW, USING THOSE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM ENVISION DUBLIN IS KIND OF THE BASIS IN BUILDING UPON THIS IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN.
UM, MIXED USE IS KIND OF THIS ORANGE COLOR.
WE'RE ALSO IDENTIFYING OFFICE RESERVING THAT TWO 70 FRONTAGE FOR THAT USE.
AND THEN SOME NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE IN THE SOUTHEAST WHERE THERE IS SOME EXISTING.
THIS ALSO IDENTIFIES KIND OF THESE RETAIL ACTIVE EDGE CULT CULTURAL PIECES.
SO IN THE MIXED USE CENTER DESIGNATION, THE UH, LAND USE CALLS FOR GROUND FLOOR ACTIVATION AT STRATEGIC PLACES OR KEY LOCATIONS SO THAT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE, UM, HORIZONTAL.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE EACH BUILDING BE STACKED WITH GROUND FLOOR OFFICE AND RESIDENTIAL OR OTHER USES, BUT WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PRESERVING CERTAIN PLACES AT THAT GROUND FLOOR TO ACTIVATE WITH COMMERCIAL OR OTHER KEY WAYS TO MAKE SURE, UM, WE'RE GETTING KIND OF THE SPACE THAT WE WANT.
KNOWING THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE EVERYTHING GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL IN THIS DISTRICT, IT'S NOT VIABLE.
SO AGAIN, JUST SHOWING THE FUTURE LAND USE WITH SOME MASSING, UM, WITH THAT, WITH EACH OF THE FRAMEWORKS DO.
SO THE LAST SECTION IMPLEMENTATION, UM, REALLY PROVIDES KEY CONSIDERATIONS FOR THOSE INITIAL STEPS FOR THE CITY.
UM, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, STREETS, SPECIFICALLY THE STORM WATER.
THIS IS A REGIONAL SYSTEM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO UNDO BITS OF IT AND CREATE NEW SYSTEMS. SO THIS HELPS ALIGN THAT.
UM, IT ALSO DISCUSSES CATALYTIC SITES, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF.
UM, AND, AND HIGHLIGHTS KIND OF SOME NEXT STEPS OUTTA THIS PROJECT.
THINKING ABOUT REGULATORY, SORRY, THERE'S SOME EXISTING ZONING AND PUD FROM WHERE THESE OFFICE CAMPUSES WERE FIRST DEVELOPED TO DO ANYTHING.
OTHER THAN THAT WE NEED CHANGE IN ZONING.
SO THINKING ABOUT REZONINGS OR NEW TYPE OF CODE TO HELP GUIDE THIS, UM, OR OTHER, UM, REGULATORY OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, AND THEN THINKING ABOUT CATALYTIC SITES, ONE EXAMPLE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN, UH, THE PLAN IS FRONTAGE ALONG FRANCE ROAD STAKEHOLDER AND KIND OF, UH, MARKET ANALYSIS HAS REALLY GUIDED THIS AS A KEY LOCATION WITH, UH, EXISTING VISIBILITY ON FRANCE AND SOME MAYBE UNDERUTILIZED BUILDINGS AND PROPERTIES ALONG THERE.
AND THINKING ABOUT COMBINING THOSE WITH SOME OF THE MOA PONDS, THE THAT'S WET AND DRY BASINS THAT ARE OUT THERE NOW TO HELP KIND OF CREATE THAT THERE, THERE AND SPARK SOME.
SO THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, RIGHT? BUT JUST CONCEPTUALLY STAFF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE CITY HAS BEEN USING THIS AS A TOOL AS WE DISCUSSED WITH POTENTIAL PARTNERS AND EXISTING OWNERS OUT THERE TODAY TO START TO GET THE BALL ROLLING OUT THERE AND TAKE THAT BIG BITE OR A LITTLE BITE OUT OF THAT BIG APPLE.
SO THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS PROJECT ITSELF, UM, WE ARE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEM TO REVIEW A DRAFT PLAN, UM, THE 18TH OF THIS MONTH.
THEN WE WILL RETURN HOPEFULLY, UM, FOR A FINAL PLAN FOR THEM TO ADOPT DECEMBER 9TH.
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ADDITIONAL TECH, UH, TECHNICAL COMPENDIUM WITH THOSE TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE PIECES I, UM, MENTIONED THAT WILL COME ALONG A LITTLE FURTHER PAST THAT.UM, BUT THEN AGAIN, HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE ABLE TO USE THIS AS A TOOL AND PROVIDE TO YOU ALL TO REVIEW AND BECOME MORE FAMILIAR WITH, UM, TO REVIEW IN YOUR TOOL BELT WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, NOT AGAIN NECESSARILY LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS OR FEEDBACK ON THIS, UM, AS THIS IS GOING TO COUNCIL.
BUT IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT, WE DO HAVE THE MODEL HERE.
UH, YOU PROBABLY SAW IT AT THE ENTRANCE, SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THERE AND THEN MR. WILL WAS KIND ENOUGH TO DROP OFF THESE ITEMS ON OUR DESK TODAY.
THIS IS NOT THE LAST TIME WE WILL BE SEEING THIS.
MAYBE NOT, UH, OFFICIALLY TO ADOPT BECAUSE THAT'S A CITY COUNCIL ITEM, NOT US, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY BE SEEING PARTS AND PIECES OF IT IN THE FUTURE.
BUT THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT THE MODEL IS OUT IN THE LOBBY.
WE'VE BEEN TAKING THAT ON A ROAD SHOW.
AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT JUST TO GET FOLKS EXCITED AND START TO SEE CHANGE WHAT WE WANNA SEE OUT THERE AND ALIGNING AND COMMUNICATING AND A LITTLE KIND OF PAMPHLET FOR YOU ALL.
AGAIN, JUST SOME INFORMATION TO SHARE.
HOPEFULLY YOU KIND OF THINK IT'S FUN.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM PROPERTY OWNERS AND NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORS.
WE HOSTED THE FALL HOA MEETING HERE, SO WE'VE GOTTA SPEAK TO A LOT OF FOLKS THERE.
AND OUR OWN MR. WAY SERVED ON THAT STEERING COMMITTEE AND THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT AS WELL.
OUR ABSENTEE, UH, MR WE IS, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT COUNSEL ASKED TO TAKE PART.
SO HE WAS THERE AT THESE WORK SESSIONS AND HELP PROVIDE INPUT THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS WELL.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
MR. CHINO A QUICK ONE AND YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE SAID IT, I WAS STILL THINKING ABOUT THE PRIOR CASE.
UH, THE, THE METRO OF NORTH SECTION THAT'S KIND OF NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'LL EVENTUALLY BE EXTENDED INTO THAT OR IS I, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU, I I GUESS I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE THAT AREA STANDS.
SO HERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE WHITE OUTLINE AREA.
THAT'S WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS FRAMEWORK REVITALIZATION PLAN, THE AREA JUST NORTH OF THAT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT? YEP.
SO THIS AREA IS INCLUDED IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT AND IT IS PART OF THAT CODE.
I KNOW IT KIND OF FEELS LIKE IT'S A TRANSITION AREA AND IT A LITTLE BIT IS UM, BUT THAT IS PART OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. LER, A QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO ONCE THIS GOES THROUGH COUNSEL, THEN IT'S UH, ESSENTIALLY APPROVED.
I GUESS WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? IS IT GONNA BE THE CITY WORKING WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TO TRY TO START STRUCTURING SOME OF THIS? YEAH, SO A FEW THINGS ON THAT.
ONE, THIS IS WILL BE A TOOL FOR YOU ALL AS WELL AS COUNCIL AND STAFF TO USE.
SO WHEN A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL DUMPS DOES COME BEFORE YOU, WE CAN LOOK TO THAT FOR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT OR SITE.
UM, WE ARE USING THIS AS AGAIN, AS A WAY TO HELP COMMUNICATE WITH POTENTIAL PARTNERS AND MAYBE FINDING SOME PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS TO GO AND KICK OFF SOMETHING HERE AND MAKING SURE WE'RE MAKING IT WONDERFUL AND AMAZING.
UM, SO WE USE THAT AS A WAY AGAIN TO COMMUNICATE AND MAYBE START THAT CONVERSATION SO WE CAN GO TO FOLKS AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT, CAN YOU HELP US GET THIS? SO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
SO I HAVE ONE YOU MENTIONED HORIZONTAL MIXED USE.
I HAVE A LOT OF DESIRE FOR RESIDENTIAL IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN AND NOT A LOT, A LOT OF LAND TO DO IT IN.
HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF A BLEND IF THE APPLICATIONS THAT COME BEFORE US ARE, THEY MEET THE HORIZONTAL MIXED USE BUT THEY WANT TO DEVELOP RESIDENTIAL.
RESIDENTIAL OR RESIDENTIAL? GREAT QUESTION.
AND A TOPIC THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING A LOT, RIGHT? AS A CITY RECENTLY.
SO PART OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK DOES OR THE URBAN DESIGN FRAMEWORK, IT DOES DISTINGUISH SOME AREAS RESERVING THAT NOT FOR RESIDENTIAL USE AT ALL, AT ALL, ESPECIALLY ALONG THAT HIGHWAY FRONTAGE SO THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS IN THERE.
WE HAVE HAD RECENT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS IN THOSE AREAS.
AND AGAIN, THIS PLAN IS HELPING TO DEFINE WHERE THAT MIXED USE CENTER JUST SAID YOU COULD DO RESIDENTIAL IN HERE.
THERE'S ALSO STRATEGIC SITES BASED UPON VISIBILITY INTO AND THROUGH THE SITE, WHICH ARE HIGHLIGHTED TO RESERVE AS OFFICE OR OTHER TYPES OF USE, NOT RESIDENTIAL IN HERE, UM, OR IN THE DISTRICT AS WELL AS THOSE CERTAIN GROUND FLOOR PLACES WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED.
SO THIS IS MEANT TO BE KIND OF A TOOL TO LAYER THAT ON.
SO YES, WE WANT MIXED USE AND RESIDENTIAL IS ONE OF THOSE USES THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT IN HERE AND NEED BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY HOMOGENOUS DISTRICT NOW, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL RESERVING CERTAIN IMPORTANT PLACES FOR THAT OTHER USE.
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I THINK AS PART OF THE KIND OF NEXT STEP RECOMMENDATIONS IS LOOKING A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO WHAT THAT MEANS AND HOW WE REGULATE THAT.ANY PROPERTY HERE WOULD NEED TO BE REZONED.
SO THAT WOULD TAKE ACTION BY BOTH THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE A, UM, JUST COME RIGHT FORTH.
SO MIGHT I RECOMMEND THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER AND DOVER AND DOVER AGAIN AS A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS WHEN A ZONING TEXT ALLOWS FOR MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO ANY TOOLS THAT COULD BE AT OUR DISPOSAL, WHETHER THAT'S PERCENTAGE DISTRIBUTION, WHETHER THAT'S, YOU MENTIONED RESERVE LOCATIONS, BUT IF THEY FALL OUTSIDE OF THE RESERVE LOCATIONS, IF THEY FALL IN AN AREA WHERE IT DOESN'T HAVE U CORRIDOR FROM TWO 70 AND IT'S NOT ALONG FRANCE ROAD AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THE, UH, GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENT THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH ANOTHER HOMOGENOUS ONLY THIS TIME RESIDENTIAL HOMOGENOUS WITHIN THAT SECTION THAT FALLS OUTSIDE OF THOSE STRATEGIC AREAS.
ANY TOOLS THAT, THAT THE CITY CAN OFFER TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WOULD BE WELCOMED.
AGAIN, THAT COULD BE ANY NUMBER OF THINGS I THREW OUT PERCENTAGES AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT, BUT ANY TOOLS THAT COULD BE OFFERED WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE WILL CONSIDER.
AND AGAIN, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU ALL THE TOOLS TO DO YOUR JOB AS, AS AS WELL.
UM, ANOTHER CONSIDERATION WE'VE DISCUSSING TOO IS AROUND PARKING AND SHARED PARKING TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT OTHER USE AND OFFICE IS A GREAT ONE FOR THAT AND SOMETHING THAT RETAIL AND, UH, HOSPITALITY DOESN'T OFFER THAT SAME SHARED PARKING EQUATION.
SO THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO HELP KIND OF PUSH THAT IN THAT DIRECTION AS WELL.
AND, AND JUST ONE, YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW THIS, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE FOR THE RECORD, JUST, UM, THOSE SAME TOOLS THAT WOULD BE UTILIZED BY US ARE ALSO NICE TO ALLOW, UH, PUBLIC NOTICE FOR DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, CAN I DO THIS? HEY LOOK IT PUT ME OVER THE PERCENTAGE, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PROCESS FOR THAT.
SO BEING VERY, UM, TRANSPARENT TO BOTH DEVELOPERS AND TO RESIDENTS ON WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND THAT'S BEEN ANOTHER AIM OF THIS, UH, EFFORT IS TO HELP CLARIFY PAST KIND OF VISIONING AND EFFORTS OF WHAT WE MEAN BY CERTAIN THINGS.
UM, AND TO DEFINITELY ALWAYS BE TRANSPARENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLAN.
I, I DESCRIBED IT TO MY HUSBAND.
I WAS TRYING TO ARTICULATE THE WATERWAY AND I SAID, THINK OF LIKE A RIVER WALK.
I CERTAINLY AM EXCITED AND I HOPE THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY AND OUR DEVELOPER PARTNERS ARE EXCITED BY IT AS WELL.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE INTRODUCTION THIS EVENING.
BAAM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS FOR THIS EVENING? JUST THAT OUR NEXT MEETING IS ONLY A WEEK AWAY.
UM, WE HAVE A APPLICATION FOR AN ADDITION TO THE FERRARI DEALERSHIP ON PERIMETER ROAD AND SOME INTRODUCTORY DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLE CODE AMENDMENTS.
ANY FINAL ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR COMMUNICATION? I DID SEE THAT WE HAD A, UH, NOTIFICATION ABOUT THE FUTURE DATES.
ARE WE GONNA BE DISCUSSING THOSE AT, UH, A MEETING IN THE FUTURE OR? YES.
WE HAD THEM TENTATIVELY AS IN OUR PACKET FOR VISIBILITY, BUT NOT FOR VOTING ACTION RIGHT NOW.
UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION AGAIN, TWO MEETINGS AGO, JUST AS KINDA STRAW POLL, CALL OUT THE DATES THAT YOU MAY HAVE CONFLICTS WITH.
IT'S THE HOLIDAY SEASON, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GETTING INTO THAT TIME PERIOD WHERE OUR MEETINGS ARE SOMETIMES BACK TO BACK LIKE THESE NEXT TWO, BUT THEY FREE UP SOME OF THE MORE, UM, CONTENTIOUS WITH OTHER, YOU KNOW, LIFE.
RIGHT? UH, BUT WE WILL ASK HIM.
I DON'T THINK WE SEE HIM AGAIN UNTIL, UH, FOR VOTING.
I DON'T THINK WE SEE HIM AGAIN UNTIL JANUARY RIGHT NOW.
I, I BELIEVE WE MAY BE BRINGING HIM BACK TO YOU IN DECEMBER.
I THINK NEXT WEEK TWO OF YOU ARE OUT.
SO WE DON'T WANNA MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FULL COMPLIMENT.
BUT I'M, I THINK WE ARE HOPING TO GET THAT DONE IN DECEMBER.
HISTORICALLY WE WAIT UNTIL THE COMMISSION IS FULL BEFORE WE ACTION THOSE.
AND OF COURSE WE HAVE TO PUBLIC NOTICE THE ITEM, THE ACTION ITEM PRIOR.
UM, BUT IF THERE IS DESIRE, IF THERE'S CALL OUT FROM THE COMMISSION FOR ANY OF THOSE DATES THAT CAUSE CONFLICT, PLEASE LET US KNOW BECAUSE THERE IS SOME AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY WITH THE DATES.
THE MORE IN ADVANCE WE KNOW ABOUT IT, THE MORE FLEXIBILITY WE CAN ENGAGE.
ANY FINAL WORDS THEN MR. ALEXANDER? MEETING ADJOURNED.