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EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES AT THIS TIME.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THREE PUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR ROLL CALL.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THE SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2024 MEETING.THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN PLANNING OF PROPERTY AND REZONING ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DEC DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED.
AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS FOR THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND OF STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE.
ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO THE PODIUM.
UH, AT THE TIME OF EACH APPLICATION, PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE LIGHT ON THE MICROPHONE IS GREEN.
BEFORE YOU SPEAK AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, WE DO REQUEST THAT PUBLIC COMMENT.
KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN.
IF YOU PLAN ON PRESENTING TONIGHT, WILL YOU PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU.
[Case #24-077PDP & Case #24-078FDP]
THIS TIME, WE WILL LOOK AT OUR FIRST CASE, UM, WELL, OUR TWO CASES, WHICH WILL BE REVIEWED IN TANDEM CASE 24 DASH 0 7 7 PDP, AND 24 DASH 0 7 8 FDP PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A LIVE WORK BUILDING AT THE EXISTING PEN PENZONE CAMPUS.THE 2.36 ACRE SITE IS ZONED B-B-S-D-S-C-N, THAT'S BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT'S ALMOST CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST AT THE INTERSECTION OF VILLAGE PARKWAY AND COOPER STONE DRIVE.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON.
HOW ARE YOU? DOING WELL, UH, GOOD EVENING.
I'M CHRIS MYERS WITH MYERS AND ASSOCIATES.
UH, WE'RE THE ARCHITECTS, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, TONIGHT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL, UH, APPROVALS, UH, FOR A LIVE WORK PROJECT, UH, WHICH I REALIZE IS, IS TOWARDS THE, THE BEGINNING OF AN IDEA, UH, IN DUBLIN.
AND WE'VE HAD A, A REALLY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT TO THIS PROJECT.
LIVE WORK IS SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN THE, UH, BUILDING CODE, BUT ACTUALLY HASN'T REALLY BEEN IMPLEMENTED TOO MANY, UH, TIMES IN OUR AREA.
SO, UH, THIS WENT THROUGH A LOT OF SCRUTINY, A LOT OF ATTENTION, BUT REALLY A GREAT, UH, COLLABORATION WITH THE FOLKS AT THE CITY.
AND WITH, UM, THIS GROUP IN SOME OF OUR, UH, PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS, UH, WE STARTED, UM, GOSH, PROBABLY 10 YEARS AGO, 12 YEARS AGO, WORKING WITH THE PEN ZONES.
UM, WE ARE THE ARCHITECTS WHO DID THE, UH, NEW SALON, WHICH IS ON THE CORNER AT THE ROUNDABOUT.
UH, THEY RECENTLY JUST OPENED WHAT'S CALLED BASE ONE, UH, WHICH IF YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR LONG ENOUGH, YOU REALIZE THAT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST, UH, GRAND SALONS IN THE COUNTRY.
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TONE IN THE LATE EIGHTIES, UH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO NOW CONVERT THAT BUILDING.IT'S THEIR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS AND A TRAINING FACILITY.
SO I INVITE YOU TO STOP OVER AND TAKE A LOOK.
UH, JUST OPENED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
UH, THE PEN ZONES HAVE OWNED THAT PROPERTY FOR A, A LONG TIME, THIS ENTIRE AREA, AND HAVE, UH, ALWAYS ENJOYED, UH, BEING LANDHOLDERS IN DUBLIN.
AND THE COMMUNITY, UH, RECENTLY, UH, THEY WERE LIVING, UH, DOWNTOWN AND THEY WERE GETTING TIRED OF THE COMMUTE.
SO THEY WANTED TO COME CLOSER TO, UH, WHERE THEY WORK AND WHERE THEY, UH, SOCIALIZE, WHICH IS DUBLIN.
AND, UH, THE IDEA WAS BROUGHT TO US OF HOW COULD WE DO A RESIDENCE ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO THE FIRST CALL TO JENNY WAS, CAN WE DO A RESIDENCE ON THIS PROPERTY? UH, AND IT WAS NOT REALLY, BUT WE STARTED TO THINK ABOUT, UH, HOW TO DO THIS.
AND THIS IDEA OF LIVE WORK, UH, CAME UP.
NOW, MR. PENZONE IS RETIRED NOW, UH, BUT HE'S A VERY AVID AND EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD PAINTER.
SO HE DOES THESE BEAUTIFUL, VERY LARGE FORMAT CONTEMPORARY PAINTINGS.
UH, THEY'RE CURRENTLY MOSTLY BEING DONE IN THE BASEMENT OF BASE ONE.
UM, AND HE'S REALLY GOTTEN TO A POINT WHERE, UH, HE WANTS TO START SHOWING AND SHARING, UH, THIS ARTWORK.
AND SO, UH, THE FIRST CONVERSATION WAS, WELL, LET'S NOT DO A HOUSE.
AND THEN DEBBIE'S WIFE WAS LIKE, WELL, WE STILL NEED A PLACE TO LIVE.
AND SO WE STARTED REALLY LOOKING INTO THIS LIVE WORK CONCEPT.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH IS THE DESIGN OF A BUILDING, BUT ALSO HOW IT KINDA WORKS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
SO ONE OF THE EARLY CONDITIONS WE FACED WAS THERE'S A NUMBER OF SITE UTILITIES, UH, ON THIS AREA.
THE AREA OF THE SITE THAT'S KINDA SHADED IN GRAY, IT'S ABOUT TWO, JUST UNDER TWO AND A HALF ACRES.
UH, IT'S MOSTLY GRAVEL AND ASPHALT.
UH, IT USED TO BE PARK OVERFLOW PARKING FOR THE MOVIE THEATER.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY JUST BEEN ABANDONED AS THIS AWFUL KIND OF EXTRA PARKING LOT.
SO WHAT WE PROPOSED TO THEM WAS, MAYBE LET'S TURN THIS INTO A BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE THAT HAS THIS GALLERY RESIDENCE AS PART OF IT.
BUT WHAT WE ALSO SAID IS, THIS SITE HAS SO MUCH PROMINENCE WITHIN, UM, VILLAGE PARKWAY THAT MAYBE WE ALSO LOOK AT HOW DO WE EXTEND THIS, THIS THREAD OF THESE ENHANCED LANDSCAPES THAT WE DID IN FRONT OF THE, UH, NEW SALON THAT WE ALSO DID IN FRONT OF BASE ONE, HOW DO WE REALLY CONTINUE THAT LANGUAGE OF LANDSCAPE ALONG, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN WAY? AND WHAT WE GOT TO WAS AT THE VERY END CAP, WHICH IS THE NORTH END, KIND OF THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PLAN, THIS IDEA OF MAYBE A MORE OF A, A GIVE TO THE COMMUNITY AS AN OPEN GREEN SPACE, AND MAYBE EVEN SOMETHING ROOTED IN ART.
SO THIS IDEA OF AN ART PARK OR AN ART, UH, THEMED PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY THAT'S PART OF THIS LANDSCAPE STARTED TO EMERGE.
SO THE IDEA IS TO INCORPORATE, UH, EXTERIOR ART SCULPTURE, UH, IN A VARIETY OF ARTISTS.
THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, THE MORE LOCAL, THE BETTER.
UM, BUT REALLY BRINGING THAT ELEMENT OF ART, NOT ONLY ONTO THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT ALSO AS A FEATURE THAT THE COMMUNITY, UH, CAN ENJOY.
BUT YOU SEE ON THIS DRAWING, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THESE BIG GREEN LINES.
SO THOSE ARE ACTUALLY UNDERGROUND STORM PIPES THAT SERVE THE SHOPPING CENTER INTO THE BASIN OFF THE SITE.
SO NOT ONLY VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT ALSO PRETTY IMPORTANT FOR OTHER AREAS TO MOVE OR DISPLACE.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO POSITION THE BUILDING, UH, AS CLOSE AS WE CAN, KEEPING THOSE PIPES IN PLACE AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE, UH, ON VILLAGE PARKWAY.
AND WE ACTUALLY GOT ABOUT 35 FEET.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, UH, THAN WHAT THE, THE GUIDELINES ASKED FOR, BUT IT GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY MEET THE INTENT AND WORK WITH THE SITE CONDITIONS.
THAT WAS A BIG FACTOR IN THAT INFORMAL, UH, REVIEW FROM BACK IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR.
SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT, BUT AS WE STARTED TO DEVELOP THE PROJECT AND POSITION THE BUILDING AND THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE CONTINUE THIS LANDSCAPE, HOW DO WE CONTINUE, UH, THE INTENT OF, UH, THIS PEDESTRIAN THOROUGHFARE ALONG VILLAGE PARKWAY AND REALLY CHANGE THAT IDENTITY OF THIS PORTION, UH, OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE DO HAVE A BIG OPEN GREEN SPACE JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE ENTRY DRIVE NORTH OF THE EXISTING, UH, BASE ONE BUILDING.
THE INTENT IS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE BACK BEFORE YOU WITH TWO, UH, BUILDINGS THAT ARE, UH, PLANNED TO BE MORE OF LIKE TWO, THREE STORY, UH, OFFICE BUILDINGS, LOFT STYLE, UH, BUILDINGS, I'M SORRY, ONE STORY AND TWO STORY.
UM, AND THE INTENT IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS START TO
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USE THOSE AS INCUBATOR BUILDINGS.SO PART OF THEIR BUSINESS IS OBVIOUSLY THE SALON, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE, UM, A YOGA STUDIO, A BARBER SHOP, A WELLNESS, UH, COM, UH, COMPLEX THAT IS, IS REALLY THE IDEA OF HOW DO WE CREATE A CAMPUS HERE THAT IS ROOTED AROUND THE SERVICES THEY HAVE, THE VENDORS THEY WORK WITH, AND TRAINING FOR ALL THE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE INVOLVED, UH, WITH THE PENZONE ORGANIZATION.
SO SINCE WE DID THE NEW SALON, THERE'S BEEN FOUR OTHER SALONS AROUND CENTRAL OHIO, UM, OVER IN NEW ALBANY AND DOWNTOWN AND SOME OTHER LOCATIONS.
SO THE BUSINESS IS REALLY THRIVING, UM, THESE TWO BUILDINGS IN THE FUTURE.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH ON 'EM TONIGHT, BUT THAT INTENT FOR THAT BIG WHITE AREA IN THE MIDDLE IS WE'RE GONNA BE BACK WITH SOME MORE BUILDINGS.
THE IDEA OF THE, UM, PUBLIC ART PARK, UM, IT'S COMPACT.
IT'S UP ON THE NORTH END OF THE SITE, AND WE'LL SHOW YOU SOME RENDERINGS IN A MINUTE.
BUT AGAIN, INTERMITTENTLY ALONG THAT 300 SOME FEET OF FRONTAGE TO ENHANCE LANDSCAPE ALONG THAT ENTIRE WAY, UH, YOU RECEIVED A, AS PART OF OUR PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PACKET, THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE HUNDRED PAGES OF, UH, DOCUMENTS.
I PROMISE YOU I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THEM ALL, BUT IN THERE IS VERY DETAILED ENGINEERING, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, UM, LIGHTING MATERIAL, UH, ITEMS. BUT, UH, ALL OF THE CONTENT, UH, THAT I THINK IS NECESSARY FOR A, A PROPER REVIEW.
UH, AND AGAIN, WE'VE HAD SOME WONDERFUL MEETINGS WITH, UH, JENNY AND HER AND HER TEAM.
UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SPECIFICS OF THIS BUILDING, WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF HOW DO YOU MEET CODE COMPLIANCE WHEN IT COMES TO A LIVE WORK BUILDING.
SO THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES THAT THERE'S A SQUARE FOOTAGE LIMITATION.
UH, AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IS WORK WITH JANET AT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, AND I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO DEFINING THAT, UH, EXACT NUMBER.
UH, BUT WHAT WE ALSO HAVE TO DO IS DELINEATE WHERE IS IT WORK, WHERE DOES IT LIVE, AND HOW ARE SOME OF THESE SPACES, UH, UTILIZED? AND SO THERE'S SOME MULTIFUNCTIONAL COMPONENTS THAT GO INTO A BUILDING LIKE THIS.
SO WHEN THERE'S A GALLERY EVENT OR A SHOWING, OR A UNVEILING OF A NEW, UH, PAINT SERIES, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IS THE GARAGE SPACE BECOMES THAT OPEN GALLERY.
SO THE GALLERY IS ALSO DESIGNED TO SERVE AS A PLACE TO PARK A CAR, UH, IF YOU NEED TO.
THERE'S A BACK BUILDING THAT PURPLE BUILDING, WHICH IS ACTUALLY STORAGE FOR ALL THE PAINT.
SO ALL OF THE PAINT, RATHER THAN HAVING THAT WITHIN THE BUILDING, BECAUSE HIGH QUANTITIES OF PAINT AND CLEANING PRODUCTS, YOU WANT TO KEEP DETACHED.
UH, THE BLUE AREA WITHIN THE, UH, THIS DIAGRAM IS ALL, WHAT WE CAN SAY IS WORKSPACE.
SO THERE'S ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, AREAS.
THERE'S SORT OF SALES AREA, WHICH ALSO SERVES AS A LIVING SPACE.
UH, BUT MR. PENZ ZONE'S GALLERY OR, UH, PAINTING STUDIO IS THAT DOUBLE HEIGHT, UH, BLUE VOLUME ON THE RIGHT CORNER.
I'M GONNA SHOW YOU A RENDERING OF THAT IN A MINUTE.
UM, THE PINK AREA, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY THE SECOND FLOOR, IS THEIR LIVE SPACE.
IT'S BASICALLY A ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATHROOM HOUSE, TWO BATHROOM HOUSE.
UM, SO THE ENTIRE UPSTAIRS IS LIKE A LOFT SPACE FOR A MASTER SUITE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THEIR, UM, UM, PRIVATE BATHROOMS. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW THIS BUILDING CONFIGURES, THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OTHER THINGS, HAS TO BE FULLY HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE WORK COMPONENT.
IT ALSO HAS TO HAVE FULL COMMERCIAL FIRE SUPPRESSION.
SO ALL OF THOSE CODE COMPLIANCE ITEMS, UH, ARE COVERED.
SO FACING VILLAGE PARKWAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE, UH, PRIMARY FACADE.
AND I'LL BRING OVER SOME OF THE MATERIALS ARE PART OF THE CAMPUS.
UM, HOWEVER, THEY'RE SLIGHTLY VARIED.
SO WE, WE HAVE THE SAME, UH, STONE.
UH, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WOOD.
UM, AND SO THERE'S A, THERE'S AN INTENT TO HAVE A, HAVE A COMMON LANGUAGE OF MATERIAL, UH, WITHOUT NECESSARILY EVERY BUILDING IS THE EXACT SAME PRODUCTS.
UH, THERE'S CERTAINLY A STYLISTIC APPROACH THAT ALL OF THE BUILDINGS ARE FAIRLY
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CONTEMPORARY IN APPROACH, UH, FLAT ROOFED AND, UH, LARGE GLASS AND TRANSPARENCY.UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE IN THIS, UH, RENDERING OVER TO THE LEFT, THAT'S THE GALLERY SPACE.
AND THERE'S THAT HIGH CLEAR STORY, UH, WINDOW.
UH, THE FRONT ENTRY, UH, IS RIGHT TO THE LEFT OF THE TALL TREE.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN, UH, FACADE, MOSTLY GLASS AND TRANSPARENT INTO THAT LIVING SPACE.
AS WE START TO GO TO THE NORTH, UP THE ROAD, YOU'RE SEEING A GLIMPSE OF SOME OF THE LANDSCAPE COMPONENT, UH, THAT'S DETAILED IN THE LANDSCAPE, UH, ARCHITECTURE, DRAWINGS, THE, THE ART PARK, UH, AND SOME OF THE SCREEN AND LOW WALLS, UH, THAT SURROUND IT.
UH, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, WHICH I THINK WE, UH, DETAILED PRETTY THOROUGHLY IN THE DOCUMENT SET IS HOW DO WE CREATE A, A BIT OF PRIVACY WITHOUT PUTTING A BIG FENCE AROUND, UH, THEIR PRIVATE BACKYARD, UH, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO INVITE THE COMMUNITY TO, UH, ENJOY THIS, UH, LANDSCAPE AND THIS WALKWAY, BUT ALSO NOT HAVING THE COMMUNITY COME AND SIT ON THEIR BACK PORCH OF, UH, THEIR RESIDENCE.
SO THREADED THROUGHOUT THE LANDSCAPING AND THROUGH SOME OF THESE LOW STONE WALLS, UH, THERE'S SOME GATE ACCESS OR THERE'S SOME, UH, CONTROL POINTS.
UH, THIS IS THE VIEW I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU.
YOU SEE THE DOUBLE HEIGHT SPACE, WHICH IS, UH, MR PEN ZONE'S, UM, PAINTING STUDIO.
AND AGAIN, THE LARGE FORMAT PAINTINGS, UH, THAT HE DOES.
THE IDEA IS THE INTERIOR BACK WALL IN THIS, UH, SPACE WOULD HAVE ONE OF HIS PROBABLY 12 OR 14 FOOT, UH, PAINTINGS, WHICH ARE MOST OF THE SIZE OF THESE.
THEY'RE VERY VIBRANT, THEY'RE VERY COLORFUL, BUT, UH, TO REALLY HAVE A PAINTING OF HIS AS PART OF THE, UH, VISIBLE ART THAT, UH, WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO, UH, THE EXTERIOR AND SCULPTURE GARDENS AS WELL.
UH, WE, WE STARTED TO LOCATE POSITION POINTS, UH, WHERE YOU SEE THIS GIANT ICE CUBE SITTING IN A, UH, IN THE LAWN.
THAT'S NOT A PIECE OF ART THAT WE'RE PLANNING.
IT'S JUST TO SHOW YOU THERE'D PROBABLY BE A PIECE OF ART SITTING RIGHT THERE.
UH, AS WE GO AROUND TOWARDS THE BACK, THIS IS THE MOTOR COURT AND THE ENTRY, UH, POINT YOU COULD SEE, UH, FOR THE GARAGE GALLERY, UH, THERE'S A, A LOW STONE WALL THAT, UH, CREATES A BIT OF SECURITY.
UH, BUT WE HAVE ABOUT 120 PARKING SPACES BEHIND, UH, BASE ONE, UM, THAT'S INTENDED TO BE MULTIFUNCTIONAL.
IT'S OVERFLOW, UM, FOR THE SALON, UH, WHEN THEY HAVE TRAINING EVENTS, UH, IT, IT GETS UTILIZED, UH, FOR BASE ONE.
AND THEN IF THERE'S AN EVENT HERE THAT PARKING, UH, IS ALSO AVAILABLE ACCORDING TO ALL OF OUR PARKING CALCULATIONS.
UH, WE'RE WELL UNDER, UH, WHAT'S NECESSARY.
BUT I WANNA REMIND YOU, WE'RE ALSO ELIMINATING AN ENTIRE KIND OF IMPERVIOUS, GRAVEL, BEAT UP PARKING LOT TO, UH, PUT IN THIS BUILDING IN THE, IN THE LANDSCAPE.
SO WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT THE SITE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO BE RESPECTFUL OF IS SOME OF THE EXISTING MATURE TREES.
UH, THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY JUST TO THE WEST OF US OR ON THE ABOVE, THIS DRAWING.
UM, AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO, AND THIS WAS HIGHLIGHTED AGAIN IN THE, UH, LANDSCAPE DRAWINGS, IS SUPPLEMENT AND ENHANCE, UH, THAT EXISTING, UH, TREE BUFFER AND ALSO, UH, FIND WAYS TO INCORPORATE MORE MATURE TREES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE FRONT AREA OF THE SITE.
UH, OUR OUR ARBORIST WENT OUT AND KIND OF ANALYZED THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF SOME OF THESE TREES, AND SOME ARE TO BE REPLACED.
BUT, UM, WHAT, WHAT THE INTENT IS, IS THAT WE REALLY SATURATE THE BACK LANDSCAPING, UH, AND THEN INTEGRATE LARGER FORMAT PLANTINGS UP ON VILLAGE, UH, PARKWAY, UM, TO BE ABLE TO TREAT THIS AS A, A MATURE LANDSCAPE FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS I WANTED TO TOUCH ON IS, UH, THIS L 1.1.
UH, IT INDICATES A COUPLE OF THE TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED, UH, BECAUSE OF DISEASE OR DECAY.
AND, AND AGAIN, THOSE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY, UH, PROFESSIONALS.
UH, AND THEN ALSO THE AMOUNT OF TREE AND LANDSCAPE, WHICH IS BEING, UH, ADDED NOW INTO, UH, AND BEING INCORPORATED INTO AS, AS FAR AS NEW, UH, CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THE PEN ZONES ARE, ARE, UH, BIG FANS OF THE, THE GREEN SPACES AT THE SALON AND AT BASE ONE.
AND I KNOW IN A LOT OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF BOTH OF THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, UH, WORKING WITH THE, UH, THE CITY ON ENHANCING THAT, EVEN BEYOND SOME OF THE, UM, MINIMAL REQUIREMENTS WAS THEY WERE ALL FOR IT.
SO, UH, I'M CERTAIN WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY LIGHTNESS WHEN IT COMES TO PLANTINGS, UH, ALONG PARK VILLAGE PARKWAY.
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THE LAST VIEW I WANTED TO SHOW YOU IS, UH, KIND OF A, A BACKGROUND DISTANT VIEW.LOOKING OVER THAT OPEN GREEN SPACE, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY FLAT SITE, UM, AS WE KIND OF CONTINUE TO PROCEED.
THE, THE WALK ROUTES AND DENSITY OF LANDSCAPING, THE, THE LOW STONE WALLS, UH, BUT REALLY THE PLACEMENT OF ART IS THE, IS THE THING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, YET TO COME.
UH, I KNOW THERE WERE A COUPLE COMMENTS, UH, FROM STAFF ABOUT CAN WE GET SOME COMMITMENTS ON TIMES AND STUFF, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE ITEMS WITH.
YOU WE'RE AGREEABLE TO EVERYTHING THAT'S, UH, BEING REQUESTED, BUT I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST GO THROUGH THOSE, UH, ONE BY ONE.
UH, AND THEN I'M GONNA END THE ARCHITECTURE DISCUSSION ON THIS IS THE FRONT VIEW, WHICH WE SHARED WITH YOU AT THE BEGINNING.
SO WE'RE VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
UM, THE PEN ZONES ARE VERY EAGER TO TAKE THE, UH, NEXT STEPS.
UH, AND CERTAINLY ANY, UH, COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAD WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
BUT IF WE WANT TO GO DOWN THOSE QUESTIONS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT AS WELL.
APPLICANT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.
WE'LL JUST GO QUICKLY, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS SITE WHERE IT, WHERE IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE BRI STREET DISTRICT AND OUR STAFF.
FINDINGS SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 2.36 ACRES AND ITS OWN BRI STREET DISTRICT, SAWL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS LOCATED AT INTERSECTION OF COOPER STONE DRIVE AND VILLAGE PARKWAY WITH A MC ON THE NORTH PENN ZONE BASED ONE ON THE SOUTH GRAYSTONE MUSE ON THE WEST AND DUBLIN VILLAGE CENTER ON THE EAST.
THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PANEL ARE THE FINAL STEPS FOR THE BRI STREET DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
STAFF HAS AN AUTHORITY TO ALLOW FOR THESE TWO APPLICATIONS, BE COMBINED AND HEARD AT THE SAME TIME, AND TONIGHT'S APPLICATIONS ARE COMBINED.
THE PURPOSE IS TO ASSURE CONSISTENCY WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN AND APPROVE FINAL DETAILS FOR THE SITE AND OF BUILDINGS.
ATIONS TONIGHT ARE SITE LAYOUT AND ACCESS, LANDSCAPING AND ALIGNMENT WITH THE BRI STREET DISTRICT CODE AND CONCEPT PLAN.
THERE IS A DETERMINATION REQUIRED TONIGHT BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS THE FINAL REVIEWING BODY AS THE NEXT STEP.
THE APPLICANT MAY WORK WITH STAFF TO MEET THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND SUBSEQUENTLY APPLY FOR BUILDING PERMIT THROUGH BUILDING STANDARDS.
SITE IS LOCATED IN SOM CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A VIBRANT MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT.
DEVELOPMENT DESIGNS ARE ENCOURAGED TO IMPLEMENT PARK ONCE VISIT WINDOW SHOPPING, IMPROMPTU GATHERINGS AND SIDEWALK ACTIVITY.
AND IT SHOULD BE WELL CONNECTED TO THE EXISTING AND THE FUTURE STREETSCAPES.
THE SITE WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN BLUE, IS ORIENTED TOWARD VILLAGE PARKWAY, WHICH IS DESIGNATED AS A DISTRICT CONNECTOR AND A PRINCIPAL FRONTED STREET DISTRICT.
CONNECTORS ARE HIGH TO MEDIUM CAPACITY STREETS, WHICH SERVES WIDE VARIETY OF USERS AND DEVELOPMENT DENSITIES AND PRINCIPAL FRONTED STREETS ARE DESIGNED TO ENSURE CONTINUOUS PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED BLOCK.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS LOOKING FROM ACROSS VILLAGE PARKWAY.
LOOKING WEST FROM THE SIDEWALK, THERE ARE A FEW MORE PHOTOS.
ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING ENTRANCE.
THE PHOTO IS TAKEN FROM THE PARKING LOT AND THE, ON THE RIGHT WE CAN SEE PEN ZONE BASED ONE.
THE CONCEPT PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2023 WITH CONDITIONS, WHICH INCLUDED DEVELOPING THE OPEN SPACES AND INTEGRATING THE BUILDING DESIGN INTO THE PROPOSED PUBLIC PARK, MODIFYING THE ORIENTATION TO PROVIDE VISUAL ENTRANCE ON ELEVATION THAT FACES VILLAGE PARKWAY, AND WORKING WITH INJURING FOR STORMWATER COMPLIANCE AND INVESTIGATING THE LOCATION OF UTILITIES.
APPLICANT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING THE SITE PLAN.
I WILL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE STAFF FINDINGS NOW TO MEET THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
APPLICANT HAS ORIENTED THE BUILDING TO PROVIDE PRINCIPAL FRONTED STREET ON VILLAGE PARKWAY AND INTEGRATING THE BUILDING WITH THE PROPOSED OPEN SPACES ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
LOFT BUILDINGS ARE REQUIRED TO BE CITED WITHIN ZERO TO 15 FEET OF THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS THE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE.
DUE TO THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, THE BUILDING IS CITED AT AN APPROXIMATE SETBACK OF 35 FEET.
BUILDINGS ARE REQUIRED TO COVER 75% OF THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
AND WITH THE PHASE ONE, THE PROPERTY LINE COVERAGE IS LESS THAN 75% DUE TO THE UNIQUENESS OF THE PROJECT.
AND TO ENSURE PRIVACY, APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR THE PRINCIPAL ENTRANCE, NOT FACING VILLAGE PARKWAY, AND IS PROVIDING A VISUAL ENTRANCE THAT FACES VILLAGE PARKWAY.
WAIVERS ARE REQUESTED TO MEET THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE COVERAGE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE,
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AS WELL AS THE PRINCIPAL ENTRANCE.STAFF DURING THE REVIEW CYCLE, REQUESTED SOME ARCHITECTURAL E ELEMENTS TO BE INCORPORATED ONTO THE STREET TELEVISION TO HIGHLIGHT THE VISUAL PUBLIC ENTRANCE AND BORROWING ELEMENTS FROM THE EXISTING PAN ZONE CAMPUS.
AND TO ADDRESS THE CODE REQUIREMENTS, APPLICANT HAS CHOSEN NOT TO HIGHLIGHT THE VISUAL PUBLIC ENTRANCE.
THE CURRENT LEGWORK BUILDING AREAS HAVE FEW, FEW DISCREPANCIES WITHIN THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AFTER THE PDP AND THE FTP APPROVAL, THE APPLICANT MUST ENSURE THAT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT.
AS AN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE BILLING CODE.
THE BILLING IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF 60% TRANSPARENCY ALONG STREET FACING FACADES, AND 20% TRANSPARENCY ALONG ALL THE NON-ST.
THE TRANSPARENCY CALCULATIONS ARE LISTED HERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
THE FULL FACADE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENT ON THE STREET FACING FACADE IS 45%, AND A WAIVER IS REQUIRED TO MEET THE CONDITION.
ADDITIONALLY, BLANK WALL LIMITATIONS ARE REQUIRED BY CODE.
DOES NOT ALLOW MORE THAN 15 FEET OF HORIZONTAL SURFACE TO BE WINDOWLESS DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THE GARAGE IN THE FRONT FACADE, SORRY, FRONT FACADE, A WAIVER IS REQUIRED TO MEET THIS BLANK WALL REQUIREMENT PER CODE.
A MINIMUM OF 80% OF EACH FACADE, WHICH IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET OR EDISON PROPERTY, SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH PRIMARY MATERIALS AND ANY FACADE THAT IS OVER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
A COMBINATION OF PRI PRIMARY AND SECONDARY MATERIALS CAN BE COMBINED.
LISTED HERE ARE THE PRIMARY MATERIAL CALCULATIONS FOR ALL OF THE FACADES.
THE PRIMARY MATERIAL REQUIREMENT FOR THE NORTH FACADE IS LESS THAN 80%, AND IT'LL REQUIRE A WAIVER.
OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE BRIT STREET DISTRICT ARE DICTATED BY THE NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 2000 2800 SQUARE FEET OF PUBLIC ART PARK TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE FOR THE SIDEWALK AND AN ADDITIONAL THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF PUBLIC OPEN SPACE ALONG THE VILLAGE PARKWAY.
THE PUBLIC ART PARK IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE FORMAL GREEN SPACE TO THE COMMUNITY WITH A PLACEHOLDER FOR A FUTURE ART INSTALLATION.
THE OCCUPANT WILL MAINTAIN THE PUBLIC ART AND THE FUTURE ON INSTALLATION.
BASED ON THE INTENDED OPEN SPACE DESIGN, SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED ART PARK STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE OPEN SPACE CAN BE DESIGNATED AS A POCKET PARK.
THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS CLOSEST TO THE MINIMUM ACREAGE REQUIRED FOR A POCKET PARK.
AND IT MEANS THE GOALS AND THE OBJECTIVES, PROVIDING PUBLIC GATHERING SPACES AND RESPONDING TO THE NEEDS OF THE ANTICIPATED USERS.
THE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE ZONE TREATMENT INCLUDES LANDSCAPING, PATIOS, AND STREETSCAPE.
THE DESIGN OF THE PUBLIC ART PARK IN CORPORATE STREET SCAPE ELEMENTS, INCLUDING A CURB STONE WALL, AND A PUBLIC ART HIGH QUALITY SITE FURNISHINGS ARE REQUIRED TO MEET THE WALKABILITY STANDARDS AND ENSURE THE COMFORT AND CONVENIENCE OF THE USERS, WHICH INCLUDE SEATING AND TRASH RECEPTACLES.
AS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE APPLICANT SHOULD WORK WITH STAFF AND PROVIDE SOME TRASH RECEPTACLES ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED TONE WALL FOR CODE BUILDING.
MOUNTED SIGNS ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE VISIBILITY FOR PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLES APPROACHING FROM EITHER DIRECTIONS, WHICH CREATES AN ACTIVE STREET SCAPE, ENHANCING THE PHYSICAL APPEARANCE OF THE DISTRICT.
DUE TO THE RESTRICTED PUBLIC USE OF THE ART GALLERY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE SIGN ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WHICH DOES NOT FACE THE PUBLIC STREET, AND A WAIVER IS REQUESTED TO MEET THE SIGN LOCATION REQUIREMENT.
THE CURRENT VEHICULAR AXIS IS LOCATED CENTRALLY ON THE EAST SIDE AND IT WOULD NOT CHANGE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THE PEDESTRIAN AXIS IS PROPOSED THROUGH THE NEW SIDEWALK THAT IS CONNECT FROM VILLAGE WALKWAY TO THE REAR OF THE SITE.
AND A PRIVATE GATED ACCESS TO THE RESIDENCE IS ALONG THE WEST OF THE SITE.
THE WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE CIRCULATION AND THE APPLICANT WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE THAT IT IS IN COMPLIANCE.
THE CURRENT PARTING REQUIREMENTS IS MET FOR THE PROPOSED LAKE WORK.
THE EXISTING PENZONE BASED ONE AND BIKE RACKS IS PROPOSED WHERE IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN THE RED.
THE CURRENT LIGHTING SETUP INCLUDES TREE LIGHTS, WALL WASHUP, LIGHTING, AND LIGHTING BOLLARDS ALONG SIDEWALKS, DRIVEWAYS, AND THE PARKING AREAS PER CODE.
PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS AND GROUND LIGHTING ARE EXEMPT FOR POWER FIXTURE AND EFFICIENCY REQUIREMENTS.
HOWEVER, LIGHT LEVEL BOLLARDS ARE RECOMMENDED TO ELIMINATE PEDESTRIAN AREAS AND WALKWAYS TO ENSURE SAFETY IN
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THE PUBLIC ACCESS AREAS.NO LIGHTING IS PROVIDED ON THE SIDEWALK THAT LEADS TO THE ART GALLERY AS WELL AS NEAR THE SIGN THAT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH FACADE.
ADDITIONALLY, PER CODE, THE LIGHTING LEVEL SHOULD HAVE AN AVERAGE FROM APPROXIMATELY ONE TO THREE FOOT CANDLES.
THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN SHOWS AN RANGE OF 0.1 TO 1.4 FOOT CANDLES, WHICH IS BELOW THE CODE REQUIREMENT.
APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE ALL THE LIGHTING TO THE PUBLIC ACCESS AREAS, WHICH INCLUDES NEAR THE SIGN AND ENSURE THAT IT MEETS THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
LISTED HERE ARE ALL THE WAIVERS REQUESTED.
THE CRITERIA FOR EACH OF THE WAIVERS IS MET AS IT IS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THE PDP AND THE FTP CRITERIA ARE EITHER MET, MET WITH CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS, OR THEY'RE NOT APPLICABLE.
PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ALL THE SEVEN WAIVERS.
PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE APPLICANT MUST ENSURE THAT THE BUILDING AREA IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE OHIO BUILDING CODE.
THE APPLICANT MUST ESTABLISH A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME FOR THE ARTWORK, INSTALLATION, AND COORDINATE WITH STAFF.
THE APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE CLARITY TO THE PROPOSED LIGHTING FIXTURE DETAILS PROVIDE LIGHTING NEAR THE SIGN AND THE ART GALLERY SIDEWALK.
THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE TRASH RECEPTACLES AT THE PUBLIC ART PARK, AND THE APPLICANT SHALL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE ADEQUATE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS AND ADDRESS ANY COMMENTS FROM INJURING DURING PUBLIC PERMIT.
WITH THIS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TOGETHER.
MR. WADE, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? SURE.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF TO START WITH.
UM, THE CLASSIFICATION OF THIS BUILDING IS A LOFT BUILDING, IS THAT CORRECT? AND SO IT HAS TO FOLLOW RIDGE STREET GUIDELINES FOR A LOFT BUILDING CORRECT.
WHICH REQUIRE IT TO BE PULLED TO THE, THE STREET RIGHT AWAY AND HAVE THE, THE 75% IS A, IS A LINEAR DIMENSION OF, OF OCCUPYING THAT THE, THAT FRONTAGE RATE.
SO, UM, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'VE, WE'VE ALL RECOGNIZED THAT THERE'S SOME LIMITATIONS WITH THE, WITH THE EASEMENTS.
AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IF THOSE EASEMENTS WEREN'T THERE AND THAT WE WERE, WERE CONSIDERING THIS BUILDING HAVING A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION THAN THE LOFT BUILDING REQUIREMENTS, WOULDN'T THE BUILDING BE REQUIRED TO BE PULLED TO THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE AND OCCUPY THE, THE PRINCIPAL FRONTAGE OCCUPY THAT RIGHT OF WAY LINE? IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, AND IF, UM, FOLLOWING THE LOFT GUIDELINE, UM, WOULD A BUILDING BE ALLOWED TO BE TURNED OFF OF THE, THE PARALLEL FACE TO THE PROPERTY LINE? UH, WOULD IT, COULD IT BE AT AN ANGLE? IS THAT, IS THERE, IS THERE FLEXIBILITY IN THE CODE FOR THAT? SO STAFF WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED ALIGNING WITH THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY LINE AND PARALLEL TO THAT SO THAT THE, IT'S WITHIN THE PRINCIPLE LINE FOR AS WELL AS WITHIN THE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE.
I THINK DUE TO THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, THIS IS WHERE THE IDEAL LOCATION OF THE BUILDING OR POSSIBLY AS CLOSE OR AS, UM, TILTED, IT CLOSES TO THE SIDE, IT CAN BE.
SO I'D LIKE TO TURN TO THE APPLICANT NOW AND I CAN'T WAIT, YOU KNOW, THAT I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS.
I THINK THE, THE NOTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS, I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS RELATIONSHIP OF THE BUILDING TO THE STREET.
AND, UM, I'M, I, I WANT TO TURN IT TO YOU.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S, OTHER THAN THE EASEMENTS DRIVING SOMETHING AND THAT ONE EASEMENT'S BEEN, IS BEING VACATED, RIGHT.
BUT THERE'S STILL A UTILITY LINE THERE.
UM, WHAT'S DRIVING THIS ANGLE? IT, IT'S SEEMS IT'S, FROM AN URBAN DESIGN STANDPOINT, IT'S COUNTER PURDUE PRODUCTIVE.
IT'S NOT REINFORCING VILLAGE PARKWAY, YOU KNOW, VILLAGE PARKWAY'S POTENTIALLY GONNA EXTEND ACROSS TWO 70.
AND I THINK ITS ROLE IS GONNA BECOME EVEN MORE IMPORTANT AS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
WHAT'S YOUR, CAN YOU GIMME YOUR THINKING BEHIND THAT? YEAH, AND UH, TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE INFORMAL, UM, IT WAS OVER A YEAR AGO, BUT, UM, WE HAD BROUGHT DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS, UM, PARALLEL TO THE ROAD, PARALLEL TO THE EASEMENT AS TIGHT AS WE CAN GET.
UM, AND LOOKING AT IT, WHAT, WHAT I THINK WE AS A GROUP, EVEN WITH THE COMMISSION CAME TO, WAS THE, THE BENEFIT OF THIS SORT OF THREEQUARTER VIEW OF THE
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BUILDING OVER THE PARK AND THE, THE PRESENCE OF THE FACADE ON VILLAGE PARKWAY IS NOTABLE 'CAUSE THAT'S THE GUIDELINES.BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CONDITION WITH THE WAY THAT THAT PARK SETS UP AS THE FOREGROUND, IT REALLY DOESN'T HOLD THE SAME INTENT AS A CONTINUOUS BUILDING FACADE, UH, GOING SORT OF SHOULDER TO SHOULDER ALONG THE STREET.
AND IT WAS ALSO DETERMINED THAT THAT KIND OF CORNER OF THE SITE WAS SORT OF UNBUILDABLE BECAUSE OF SIGHT LINES AND ROADWAYS AND A GOOD SPOT FOR A PARK.
SO THE EASEMENTS I DON'T THINK ARE REALLY WHAT'S DRIVING THE URBAN PLANNING OR THE ARCHITECTURE.
I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY MORE HOW DO YOU GIVE A LITTLE GLIMPSE OF THE ACTIVITY AND THE USE OF THE BUILDING THROUGH THAT TWO STORY, UH, GA OR UH, STUDIO.
NOW BY HAVING THAT KIND OF CANTED TO MEET THE ALIGNMENTS WITH THE, THE, UM, EASEMENT, WHAT I THINK IT DOES IS IT REALLY PRESENTS THE IDENTITY OF WHAT THE BUILDING IS ABOUT.
UH, SO IT TENDS TO BE, MAYBE FOR US IS IT'S NOT AS MUCH JUST THE DIMENSION OF A FACADE.
IT'S HOW DO YOU COMMUNICATE THE USEFULNESS OF WHAT THE BUILDING IS DOING.
THE OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT, AND I'M, I'M SORRY WE DON'T HAVE 'EM HERE TONIGHT, BUT WE SHARED THE RENDERINGS AND THE, AND THE PLANS OF THE TWO BUILDINGS IN THAT BIG WHITE SPACE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE USE THOSE BUILDINGS TO DO WAS TO TRANSITION THE 1980S BUILDING THAT DIDN'T FOLLOW ANY GUIDELINES 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T EXIST IN BACK INTO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER THAT THE SOUTH BEND HAD A LITTLE KIND OF BEVEL TO THE FRONT OF IT, OF HOW IT KIND OF CAME BACK OVER AND CREATED MORE PRESENCE ON THE STREET.
SO, UH, COLLECTIVELY, I THINK THE, THE MASTER PLAN DIRECTION IS GOING TO SATISFY THIS DENSITY AT THE STREET AND THE INTENT, UH, OF THE GUIDELINES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE ANOMALY OF THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE SITE, I THINK THIS IS A, THIS IS A GOOD SOLUTION FOR THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE UNDERGROUND.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THE COM THAT WE CAME TO ANY CONCLUSIONS ON THE ORIENTATION.
I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION.
AND I REMEMBER AT THE LAST MEETING TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE AND WHERE WAS THE FRONT DOOR.
AND, AND YOU, YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY AGAIN PLAYED WITH THAT.
UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO, TO, UM, TO, TO ORIENT THE BUILDING SO THAT IT'S PARALLEL TO VILLAGE PARKWAY? SO THEN THIS PLAN, I, I HAD ONE OF MY SLIDES WAS THE, ALL THOSE EASEMENTS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN JUMP BACK TO THAT.
THAT, AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING AT THE PROPERTY LINE, I'M SAYING IF IT WAS, IF THE BUILDING COULD JUST BE ROTATED.
SO IT HAD A PARALLEL RELATIONSHIP TO WHICH PART OF, I'M ASKING YOU IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, NOT NECESSARILY AT THE THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE.
UM, IT, WELL, IT REALLY COULDN'T BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT IS, IT'S A 54 INCH STORM PIPE.
UM, AND I THINK UNDER THE ADVISEMENT OF CITY ENGINEERING, IT WAS LIKE, DON'T MESS WITH THAT.
BUT IT, LET ME UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION BETTER, LIKE RIGHT WHERE IT SAYS PROJECT SITE.
IF THAT WERE TO ROTATE, UH, COUNTERCLOCKWISE TO BE FRONTING VILLAGE PARKWAY, WE DO TWO THINGS.
IT MIGHT SATISFY THE PARALLEL NESS OF THE BUILDING FACADE TO THE ROAD, BUT BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT, WE'RE REALLY FAR BACK.
AND, AND I THINK WHAT THE SOLUTION WE LANDED ON WAS THE PRESENCE OF THAT CORNER BY PARALLELING THE EASEMENT GETS US THAT 35 FEET.
IF WE STRAIGHTENED OUT PARALLEL TO VILLAGE PARKWAY, WE WERE AT LIKE 72 FEET TO THAT CORNER.
AND SO I THINK THE IN INTENT WAS TO GET IT TO FEEL AS CLOSE TO THE STREET AS FEASIBLE THAT ALLOWED THE BUILDING TO KIND OF NESTLE INTO THAT, THAT CORNER AND BE AT 35 FEET OFF RATHER THAN 72 FEET OFF.
SO I, I REMEMBER IN THE FIRST MEETING, THE, UH, INFORMAL REVIEW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT EACH ONE OF THE, THE EXISTING PENZONE BUILDINGS HAS THIS SETBACK.
AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT VARIES.
IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN MAYBE 45, 60 FEET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AS THINKING OF THIS AS A CAMPUS AND THAT AS A CAMPUS ORGANIZING ELEMENT.
UM, AND I I HEARD YOU MENTION THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION ALSO.
THAT, THAT'S THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS.
AND SO HAVING A, A WATER SET WIDER SETBACK FOR THIS BUILDING, AND I THINK YOU, IT'S, I THINK YOU CAN DO IT IN ABOUT 45 FEET.
'CAUSE I DID A LITTLE SKETCH, I ROTATED IT.
AND SO, UM, THAT WOULD FIT IN WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS AND ESTABLISH THAT KIND OF GREEN SETBACK.
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OKAY.SO I, I'M JUST SAYING, I I'M ASKING YOU THE QUESTION, IS IT PO? DO YOU THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE? OH, SURE.
AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I, I THINK ONE THING IS WE DON'T WANNA MESS WITH THE EASEMENT.
UM, THE SECOND IS, THE, THE NICE THING ABOUT THE, THE DESIGN OF THE SITE IS, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE BUILDING IS A SORT OF A MANICURED LANDSCAPE THAT IF THAT SHAPES OR MODIFIES, SURE, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN OPTION.
UM, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE BOUNDED BY WE'RE, WE'RE TIGHT TO SETBACKS ALL AROUND.
SO, YOU KNOW, POSITIONING AND ADJUSTMENT IS, IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UH, EVALUATE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S RESISTANCE TO THAT.
I THINK WHERE WE LANDED WAS, I THINK THE RESULT OF THE, THE INFORMAL OF LIKE, THAT SEEMED TO BE AT THAT TIME WAS THE, WAS THE RIGHT, UH, POSITION.
BUT IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, STILL BEING CONSIDERED THAT, THAT'S FINE.
AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY AGREED TO ANY POSITION WE WERE GIVING FEEDBACK AND TO BE EXPLORED, BUT, UM, I THINK I'M GONNA STOP THERE.
I CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP? CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO YOUR QUESTION THOUGH? SO I KNOW WE'RE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, THE, I KNOW WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT THE NEW, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT THE FUTURE BUILDINGS HERE, BUT IT'S FROM MASTER PLAYING STANDPOINT, WHICH MR WAY IS GOING TO, IS IT, WE STILL HAVE TO CONSIDER IT.
SO MY QUESTION IS AS WE'RE, BECAUSE I HAD THE SAME QUESTION AS WE START TO ORIENT THE BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE SHIFTED TO BE MORE PARALLEL, WHEREAS WE'VE EVEN ASKED YOU TO BRING IT AND YOU HAVE MUCH CLOSER, WHAT'S THAT DOING TO THIS OTHER, I MEAN, ARE THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS GONNA, ARE WE GONNA, OR I GUESS ARE WE PINCHING THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE FORCED TO HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER EASEMENT VARIANCE OR CONVERSATION AROUND THOSE EASEMENTS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK? AND THEN HOW'S THAT CONNECTION WORKING? I, I WOULD SAY I, I MEAN THE, THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE CONCEPTUALLY DESIGNED AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE OF A, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
THEY HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN IN FOR AN INFORMAL, UH, REVIEW.
BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOK EYEBALLING ON THE, I'M LOOKING AT THE CIVIL DRAWING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE BOUND BY THIS EASEMENT, RIGHT? AND WHAT I MEAN IS THESE FUTURE BUILDINGS ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EASEMENT, SO THEY'RE ALSO BOUND BY THE EASEMENT ON THE OTHER WAY.
SO AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT IMPACTING THE EASEMENT, THE EASEMENT SERVES AS THE SEPARATOR BETWEEN EITHER.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS I DON'T THINK IT WOULD IMPEDE ON THE OTHER, THE, THE POTENTIAL FOR THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
SO, SO THE ORIENTATION THAT YOU ARE PRESENTING HERE TONIGHT MAXIMIZES THOSE, OR YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING IT DOESN'T AFFECT THOSE BUILDINGS NECESSARILY? YEAH, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THINK OF THESE EASEMENTS AS ROADS LIKE, LIKE OUR SUBSITE FOR THIS BUILDING.
THIS BUILDING IS BOUND BY THOSE EASEMENTS, AND THEN THE OTHER PORTION OF THE SITE FOR THE FUTURE BUILDINGS BOUNDS, THAT ONE.
AND SO THE, THE TWO I DON'T THINK ARE, THEY'RE INDEPENDENT, IMPACTFUL DIMENSIONALLY.
CAN, CAN I JUST, I AGAIN, I, MY LINE OF QUESTIONING IS I'M TRYING TO, TRYING TO ALIGN IT WITH CODE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE CODE AND EVERY TIME WE VARY FROM THE CODE, THAT JUST CREATES MORE PROBLEMS. SO HOW COULD, I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA NEED A WAIVER NO MATTER WHAT BECAUSE OF THE UTIL EASEMENT, IT'S GONNA CAUSE YOU TO SET IT BACK.
BUT IF WE COULD GET IT, YOU KNOW, MORE FROM AN URBAN DESIGN POINT PARALLEL TO THE STREET SO THAT IT HAS A RELATIONSHIP, AN URBAN RELATIONSHIP, THAT TO ME THAT THAT HELPS STAY SOMEWHAT WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE CODE, GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE UTILITIES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T CHANGE THOSE.
SO, UH, WHAT I RECALL, AND THIS IS FROM MEMORY, SO I, BUT I THINK I'M PRETTY CLOSE, IS I THINK THERE'S ABOUT A 12 DEGREE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW AND IF WE PARALLELED TO THE ROAD, RIGHT? SO THAT ROT, I, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE SAME EXACT DESIGN BUILDING.
AND, AND AGAIN, THE PRINCIPLE FACADE TO ME IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRINCIPAL FACADE IS
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF IN BETWEEN IN MY MIND.
AND THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS KIND OF A QUESTION
UH, SO LET'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ARE NUANCED AS WELL.
AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, WE, WE WANNA HAVE DIALOGUE.
UM, WE, WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WAIT FOR DELIBERATION, THAT WE MAY WAIT FOR ARTICULATING OPINIONS OR PERSPECTIVE OR, OR THAT SORT OF THING FOR THE DELIBERATION PORTION OF THE MEETING.
SO WITH THAT SAID, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. ALEXANDER? OKAY.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I, I WANNA MAKE REALLY CLEAR, SO IT'S ON THE RECORD.
WE, YOU CAN, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT THIS IS INFERRED AND WHAT I THOUGHT I SAW IN THE CODE IS YOU CAN'T DO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN
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THIS AREA.IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
NOW, OUR CODE ALSO DOES NOT STATE OUR DESCRIPTION OF A LOFT BUILDING IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WEBSTER CALLS A LOFT BUILDING IN OUR CODE.
WE DON'T DESIGNATE THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE LIVING SPACE ENTIRELY ON THE SECOND FLOOR, RIGHT? WHEN WE DESCRIBE A LOFT BUILDING, IT'S REALLY ABOUT HEIGHTS AND RELATIONSHIPS.
OKAY? IN OUR DESCRIPTION OF LIVE WORK, DO WE DISTINGUISH WHERE THOSE SPACES NEED TO BE? WE DO NOT, BUT THE BUILDING CODE, PER BUILDING CODE, THE RESIDENTIAL HAS TO BE ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE WORK HAS TO BE LIMITED ONTO THE FIRST FLOOR.
HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT DESIGNATION? BECAUSE THIS IS A PLAN OF A HIGH END SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR THAT ARE DESIGNATED MEETING AND ROOMS THAT ARE DESIGNATED READING, THAT'S A DINING ROOM.
THE READING ROOM IS A LIVING ROOM.
THIS PLAN COULD GO IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES AS A HIGH-END RESIDENCE.
SO MY POINT IS, WHEN YOU DESIGNATE IT AS WORK, HOW MUCH WORK IS OCCURRING BECAUSE YOU ONLY INVITE PEOPLE AT LIMITED TIMES, BUT YOU'RE RESIDING IN THAT HOUSE FOR SIGNIFICANT PERIODS OF TIME.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE WAY I THINK THERE'S A FACTOR IN A WAY, IT'S ONE INHABITS THE HOUSE THAT IMPACTS HOW YOU'RE, HOW YOU'RE, HOW YOU'RE MAKING THIS FIT IN THE LIVE WORK.
SO, UM, THOSE WERE MY INITIAL QUESTIONS ABOUT DOES THIS REALLY FIT IN THE CODE THE WAY YOUR STAFF REPORT IS SUGGESTING IT DOES.
AND THEN THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND I'M SURE IN DELIBERATION WE'LL HAVE MORE, IS WHO OWNS THE PARK? DOES THE, IS THE CITY GONNA OWN THE PARK? NO, IT'S THE PEN ZONES PROPERTY, BUT THEY'RE SO, SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S A PUBLIC ENTITY, YOU'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT TO CERTAIN STANDARDS AND MM-HMM,
THOSE ARE MY INITIAL QUESTIONS.
OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. DESLER? JUST A COUPLE CLARIFICATIONS, UH, FOR STAFF REAL QUICK.
ON THE, THE ADDITIONAL ART THAT'S GONNA BE COMING OUT, IS THAT GONNA REQUIRE CITY APPROVAL THEN TO BE PUT OUTSIDE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WHATEVER PROPOSED USE? YEAH, SO THE STAFF APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH THE STAFF AND WILL COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY, AND IT SHOULD BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE SURROUNDINGS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, SHOULD BE VERY RESPONSIVE TO THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN I, I DO WANNA JUST GET A CLARIFICATION ON THIS EASEMENT PIECE.
IS THE CITY'S POSITION THAT THOSE ARE NON MOVABLE OR ILL MOVABLE? IS THAT FAIR? OR CAN THEY BE AT A CERTAIN COST? I'M CURIOUS.
SO I'M NOT IN CITY ENGINEER, BUT I BELIEVE THE CITY ENGINEER DID INDICATE THEY ARE YEAH.
IN OUR FIRST MEETING THAT CAME UP AND THEY DID INFORM US THAT THEY COULD, THAT THEY'RE MAJOR STORM LINES THAT COME DOWN FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER GOT IT.
TO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND IT WAS BE VERY COSTLY TO MOVE THEM.
WELL, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VERY COSTLY, VERY COSTLY AND AFFECTING MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE NOT BEFORE US WITH AN APPLICATION THIS EVENING.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE JENNY, UH, AND STAFF, IT'S THE, JUST TO BE CLEAR HERE ON THE RECORD, IT, IT'S THE CITY'S POSITION THAT THOSE EASEMENTS ARE NOT MOVABLE.
SO I'M CURIOUS HERE, UH, THIS IS BACK TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, DID YOU SAY THE GARAGE IS GONNA BE WHERE THE GALLERY IS? DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? YOU KNOW, AS, AS, UM, MR. ALEXANDER MENTIONED, IT'S A, IT'S A DOUBLE USE BUILDING, SO NO, NO, NO.
I JUST WANNA MAKE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE GALLERY IS GONNA BE LIKE INSIDE THE BUILDING OR IS IT, IS THE GARAGE GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE OUTSIDE? IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY BOTH.
SO A BIGGER SHOWING WOULD BE IN THE GARAGE, BUT THEN THROUGHOUT THE GROUND LEVEL OF THE BUILDING IS ALSO GALLERY.
IS THE GARAGE THEN GONNA HAVE ELEMENTS AND I, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GO THROUGH SPECIFICALLY EVERY SINGLE ARCHITECTURE DRAWING.
IS THAT GONNA HAVE INSULATION ELEMENTS? SO IT'S GONNA BE ESSENTIALLY AN INTERIOR TYPE ROOM? YES, IT HAS ACTUALLY A BASEMENT UNDER IT.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE WAIVERS YOU'RE REQUESTING IS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT WANT ANY KINDA WINDOW IN THE GARAGE, IS THAT RIGHT? NO, THERE ARE WINDOWS IN THE GARAGE ON THE WALL, I THINK ON THE, UH, IT GOES TO THE LINEAR
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WALL.IS THAT RIGHT? AM I SAYING THAT? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH NUMBER IT IS.
TRANSPARENCY, THAT'S THE BLANK WALL LIMITATION.
HAS IT, WAS IT OFF THE WHOLE TIME? NO, IT JUST WENT OFF.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT DID, THAT'S THE BLANK WALL LIMITATION WHERE NO WIDER THAN 15 FEET OF SURFACES CAN BE WINDOWLESS.
SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE GARAGE FACADE.
SO GOING BACK TO MY QUESTION IS, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TO PUTTING ANY KIND OF LIKE UPPER WINDOW UP ON THAT PORTION? IT IS, IT'S AGAIN, YOUR MICROPHONE IS OFF AGAIN.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE STARTED THINKING ABOUT WHERE DO YOU HANG THE ART AND IN THAT PORTION OF THE GARAGE FOR THE SCALE OF THE ROOF, THE CEILING HEIGHT IS NOT AS HIGH AS THE, WHERE WE HAVE THE CLEAR STORY WINDOW IN THAT RENDERING.
SO THE IDEA IS WHEN WE HAVE CONSIDERATION OF WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE INSIDE, YOU KNOW, AS A DISPLAY WALL FOR LARGE PIECES, LARGE PAINTINGS, THE IDEA WAS THAT'S A FEATURE WALL IN THE GALLERY.
WE'RE CLOSE TO THE PERCENTAGE OF TRANSPARENCY.
IF IT'S A MATTER OF APPROVAL MEANS ADD A WINDOW, WE'LL ADD A WINDOW.
YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S, THERE'S CERTAINLY ADAPTABILITY IN, YOU KNOW, MEETING EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU ALSO AGREE THEN, UH, AND THE O THE OTHER SIDE, SORRY, THE OTHER SIDE WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE OFF BY 4% SO WE CAN MAKE ONE WINDOW, TWO INCHES WIDER AND, AND MEET THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S THOSE SORT OF SUBTLE VARIATIONS ARE FINE.
WOULD BE, IS THAT THEN JUST FOR CALL OUT, YOU'RE SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENT, NOT TO THE BLANK WALL REQUIREMENT, CORRECT? WELL, I THINK, NO, THAT IS, THAT IT WOULD DO BOTH.
RIGHT? I DON'T, IT MIGHT IMPACT BOTH.
RIGHT? IF THEY ADDED ONE SMALL WINDOW AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED.
I'M SORRY, LET, LET ME EXPLAIN ON THE, ON THE PRIMARY FACADE FACING VILLAGE PARKWAY, THERE'S A WHITE WALL.
CAN WE PUT THAT, CAN WE PULL THAT ONE PICTURE UP THAT HAD THE, UM, YEAH, HERE'S A, YEAH, YEAH.
THAT ONE I BELIEVE, AND I'M GOING FROM MEMORY, BUT I THINK THIS SAID AN 80%.
THIS IS A GOOD ONE HERE, RIGHT? UM, RIGHT THERE, YEAH.
SO RIGHT WHERE THAT ARROW IS POINTING, I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S CONSIDERED AS THE BLANK WALL.
AND AGAIN, THE INTERIOR DESIGN IS CALLING FOR THAT TO BE A FEATURE WALL IN THE GALLERY.
IF IT MEANS THAT BECOMES A BIG WINDOW AND WE DISPLAY THE ART DIFFERENTLY, THAT'S FINE BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD SATISFY TWO OF THE WAIVER.
IT WOULD BE THE BLANK WALL AND THE YEAH, 3% BECAUSE I THINK YOU WOULD, YOU'D EXCEED THE 15% DEFICIT AND HAVING A WINDOW ON A BIG BLANK WALL MAKES IT NOT A BLANK WALL.
UM, THE, THE OTHER ONE I WAS REFERRING TO IS, I THINK IT'S ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH MIGHT BE YOUR NEXT SLIDE.
UM, YEAH, YOU SEE, I MEAN, WE'RE OFF BY 4%, SO SUPER PRECISE.
SO IF WE, AND THAT WAS ON THE PRI YEAH, THE PRIMARY MATERIAL.
IF WE MANIPULATE THE, THE SLOT WINDOWS ON THE LEFT SIDE TO BE SLIGHTLY WIDER, I THINK WE STILL WORK NICELY WITH THE PROPORTION OF THE BUILDING AND WE WOULD MEET THAT REQUIREMENT TECHNICALLY.
I APPRECIATE THAT, UH, CONSIDERATION.
DO WE HAVE, OR I GUESS, HOW MANY OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY DO WE HAVE THIS LIVE WORK TYPE, UH, ARRANGEMENT? I DO NOT THINK ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO WHAT, SO CAN, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE MAG DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, THERE IS, YOU'RE, YEAH, YOU'RE CORRECT.
UM, THE MAG DEVELOPMENT DOES HAVE A RESIDENTIAL UNIT ABOVE, UM, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT, AND THAT HAD TO BE SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT WHEN THAT WENT FORWARD.
THAT'S THE ONLY EXAMPLE THOUGH THAT I CAN THINK OF.
THERE MAY BE OTHERS, BUT THAT'S TOP OF MIND.
SO, MR. BOGS, CAN YOU PIGGYBACK ON THAT BEFORE WE GO BACK TO MR.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION OF BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT IS NOT, UM, WITHIN THE SCOPE OF CONSIDERATION FOR
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THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS THE APPLICANT, IF THESE APPLICATIONS ARE APPROVED, WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH BUILDING STANDARDS AND COMPLY WITH THOSE ENTIRELY SEPARATE FROM WHATEVER IS DONE HERE.GOING BACK TO THAT QUESTION, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO WI WITHIN THE BRIDGE DISTRICT OR BRIDGE DISTRICT BRIDGE PARK, IS IT BRIDGE PARK? BRIDGE? BRIDGE STREET.
THERE ARE NOT ANY OTHER TYPE OF LIVE WORK ARRANGEMENTS LIKE THIS? YEAH.
THIS, THIS IS THE FIRST EXAMPLE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF COMING THROUGH.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE HERE, OKAY.
WITH, WITH REGARD TO THE SIGN ASPECT HERE, ARE YOU, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU WANT TO HAVE IT ON THAT ONE WALL.
IF WE COULD GET A PICTURE UP, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU ARE AGAINST HAVING IT ANYWHERE ELSE, EVEN ON THAT TURN IN OR SOMETHING SMALL OR IT SEEMS LOGICAL.
AGAIN, IT SEEMS LOGICAL TO ME BECAUSE THE, THE APPROACH ROUTE TO THE GALLERY WOULD BE FROM THE SOUTH.
UM, THERE'S A RIGHT WHERE THAT RED ARROW IS, THERE'S YEP, THERE'S DIRECT PARKING, ACCESSIBLE PARKING, THE CLEAR LINE OF SIGHT AND THE WALK ROUTE OVER TO, YOU KNOW, THE VILLAGE PARKWAY ELEVATION TO ME SEEMED LIKE IT'D BE A LITTLE MORE CONFUSING, UM, AS A GALLERY LIKE THIS, THIS IS BY APPOINTMENT FOR USE.
IT'S NOT, NOT JUST WALK IN ANYTIME.
UM, AND SO THE CLARITY OF WHERE YOU COME, WHETHER IT'S WALKING OR DRIVING, IT SEEMED LIKE THAT WAS THE RIGHT SPOT.
AGAIN, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE MANDATE OF THE SIGNS GOTTA BE ON THE EAST ELEVATION, WE'LL PUT A SIGN ON THE EAST ELEVATION.
I THINK THE, THE CLARITY OF WHERE IT IS TO PROMOTE IT AS PART OF BEING A BIGGER ELEMENT WITHIN THE CAMPUS RATHER THAN A INDEPENDENT BUILDING ON THE STREET, IT IS PART OF THAT LOGIC.
THAT SAME SORT OF SIGNAGE APPROACH IS ON BASE ONE, IT'S ON THE SALON, IT'LL BE ON FUTURE BUILDING.
SO THERE'S A SORT OF AN INTENT WHEN IT COMES TO WAYFINDING FOR THE WHOLE, UH, PROPERTY.
BUT IF THE POSITION NEEDS TO BE ALTERED FOR SOME BENEFIT, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
UM, I WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE YOU PROVIDED EXCELLENT REPRESENTATION, BEEN VERY, VERY THOROUGH.
UM, A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK MAYBE PLANNING, JUST FOR CLARITY ON THE, UH, BLANK WALL, IF THERE WAS A THIN VERTICAL WINDOW ON THAT GARAGE, WOULD THAT SATISFY BLANK WALL? IT'S FULLY BLANK WALL IS THE ISSUE AND WOULD SATISFY? UH, YES.
15 FEET IS TRANSPARENCY DIMENSION, I THINK.
UM, AND THEN I, I THINK FED MAY HAVE KIND OF RENDERED THIS MOOT, BUT I AM CURIOUS, JUST IN TERMS OF LIVE WORK, UH, WHAT IS THE USE PROPOSED FOR THE BASEMENT? IS THAT PRIMARILY LIVE? UH, THE BASEMENT IS ACTUALLY ONLY UNDER THE GARAGE.
UM, AND IT'S STORAGE FOR CHAIRS AND TABLES AND EASELS FOR ART DISPLAY, JUST BECAUSE IT'S PROXIMATE TO COME RIGHT UP INTO THAT GALLERY GARAGE.
THE REST OF THE HOUSE ACTUALLY DOES NOT HAVE A BASEMENT.
AND, UM, WOULD YOU SEE POTENTIAL FOR, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE ART IN FRONT OF THAT BLANK SPACE, MAYBE TO DIFFERENTIATE A POTENTIAL THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE INTENT WE HAD IN THAT INFORMAL, WE HAD A DRAWING THAT WE HAD THESE RED DOTS FOR KIND OF ART SPOTS, AND THE BACKDROP OF THAT WALL WAS THERE WAS GONNA BE AN ART PIECE IN FRONT OF IT.
UM, IF THAT ART PIECE IS IN FRONT OF A WINDOW WALL, I THINK IT'S JUST AS SUCCESSFUL.
SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T, WE'RE NOT LATCHING ON TO ANY, ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD CREATE A, A ISSUE.
JUST BECAUSE THE LANDSCAPING IS A LITTLE BIT SPARSE IN THAT AREA ON THIS PART, AND IT KIND OF MAKES IT STAND OUT.
SO, UM, OH, AND, AND TO CLARIFY ON JASON'S FIRST QUESTION TO, TO PLANNING, I GUESS, SO BEING PRIVATE ART OR, OR KIND OF PRIVATE PARKS WITH THE ART, IS THAT ART REVIEWABLE BY DUBLIN ART COUNCIL, OR WOULD THAT BE WHO, WHO ACTUALLY MAKES THAT,
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WHO REVIEWS THAT? ART STAFF ANTICIPATES IS TO BE A VERY COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN PENZONE CITY STAFF AND IF THEY WANNA COLLABORATE, STAFF IS READY TO PROVIDE ANY SUPPORT THAT THEY WOULD NEED, MAYBE WITH ARTS COUNCIL OR ANY OTHER THING.BUT THIS, IN TERMS OF CONTROLLING WHO'S GOING TO HANDLE THAT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY COLLABORATIVE EFFORT SO THAT IT JUST RESPONDS TO THAT SPACE AND THE PEN ZONES AGREE TO THAT ENTIRELY.
I THINK THAT, THANK YOU MR. GARVIN.
MR. HUNTER, THANK YOU, UH, FOR THIS EVENING.
UH, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU REACHED OUT AND, AND CORRESPOND WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
I DIDN'T GET A FEEL BACK WHAT YOU HEARD BACK FROM THEM.
UH, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T REMEMBER HER NAME.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA, UM, UH, DEBBIE PENZONE AND I MET WITH HER AT BASE ONE.
THEY, THEY'RE VERY, VERY PLEASED WITH EVERYTHING IN ALL OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE, UM, BASE ONE AND THE SALON.
UM, SO THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE VERY, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, EVERYTHING HERE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE COMPLAINING.
SO, UM, I, I THINK THE CONVERSATION WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.
UM, IF THAT NEEDED TO BE FORMALIZED, I, I'M SURE WE COULD, UH, ACCOMPLISH THAT VERY EASILY.
NO, I APPRECIATE HOW YOU REACHED OUT TO THEM.
ALSO, JUST GOING BACK TO THE SIGN WITH THE WAIVER, DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SIGN AT ALL OR IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM? I, I, I JUST KNOW HOW TO CALL THEM THE SANDWICH.
LIKE, IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT, THEN YOU'D PUT IT OUT.
IT, IT'S MUCH NICER THAN A SANDWICH SIGN.
I'M NOT TRYING TO SUGGEST THAT.
BUT FIRST QUESTION, DO THEY NEED A SIGN? YES.
SIGNS ARE AN INTEGRAL PART WITHIN THE BRIT STREET DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY'RE INTENDED TO ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND PROVIDE VISIBILITY TO THAT PARTICULAR USE.
MM-HMM,
SO WHEN THE WORK PART COMES IN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ENCOURAGED AND IS A VERY ESSENTIAL PART.
AND SO A TEMPORARY SIGN, LIKE SOMETHING JUST PUT OUT AT A TIME WOULD NOT COUNT FOR THAT.
THINKING ABOUT WAIVERS AND SO FORTH OF THAT SORT, I THINK THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MS. HARDER.
I THINK WE'VE, UH, ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
I DO HAVE SOME, UM, JUST REALLY SPECIFICS ON THE BUILDING MATERIALS THEMSELVES.
SO THE FIRST QUESTION I HAD REGARDING THE, UH, IT'S THE SINGLE CAR GARAGE THAT YOU REFERRED TO, WE'LL CALL IT A SINGLE CAR GARAGE, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS.
BUT YOU REFER TO AS PAINT STORAGE.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR STORAGE USE? IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S A LOW HAZARD STORAGE SPACE.
IT'S HONESTLY, IT'S ALSO FOR EXTERIOR FURNITURE TO GO INTO, BECAUSE THERE'S NO BASEMENT, THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, STORAGE ROOMS WITHIN THE, UH, SO I GUESS SOME, SORRY.
THE, UH, SO THE GLASS DOOR THOUGH, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING TO ACHIEVE THE TRANSPARENCY? I, I, I DIDN'T SAY IT AS PART OF THE TRANSPARENCY CALCULATIONS, BUT DOES THAT HAVE TO BE YEAH.
THAT, THAT BUILDING AS AN OUTBUILDING ACTUALLY ISN'T PART OF THE CALCULATIONS.
I THINK IT WAS MORE JUST THE AESTHETIC OF THE OTHER DOORS THAT ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT ARE THE, THE SAME, I, I DON'T THINK YOU'D BE LOOKING INTO A, A JUNK ROOM OF PAINT CANS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY NEAT AND TIDY.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST, IF IT'S, IF IT IS THAT'S PRIMARY USE, I MAYBE JUST CONSIDER SURE.
OR A FROST PANEL ON THE SOMETHING.
'CAUSE THAT'S PRETTY PREDOMINANT.
I THINK THE INTENT IS THAT IT'S A, IT'S A CONTEMPORARY BUILDING, AND SO SURE.
THE STYLING OF THAT DOOR, BUT IF THAT HAS A OPACITY TO IT, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
AND THEN THE, THE SECOND QUE, SO THE, THE RESPA MATERIAL THAT YOU BROUGHT TONIGHT, THAT'S THE, THAT'S MATCHING THE RESPA THAT IS ON, UM, BASE ONE IN FINISH AND IN COLOR.
THERE'S THAT AREA THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF, UM, I'M SORRY, NOT BASE ONE, BUT THE SALON.
SO THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO PRODUCTS THAT ON THE SALON IS A THERMALLY MODIFIED, UH, WOOD.
AND ON BASE ONE, IT'S A, IT'S CALLED A RESPA, WHICH IS A PHENOMENAL, YEAH.
'CAUSE THE WOOD ON THE, ON THE, ON THE SALON IS THE ACTUAL WOOD MATERIALS FAIL AND THAT DOESN'T RIGHT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SHOWING UP.
SO, SO THE QUESTION I HAD HERE IS THESE, SO THIS WOULD BE A, THIS IS A RESPA, BUT IS IT A, IS IT, IS IT A RESPA PLANK LIKE PLAN? IT'S A RESPA PLANK.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A SHADOW LINE REVEAL, YEAH.
THE CORNICE COLOR OR IT, THE, THE METAL YOU HAD ON THE SAMPLE BOARD? MM-HMM.
AND THE RENDERINGS, IT JUST HAS A VERY, IT IS A DIFFERENT COLOR IN
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THE RENDERINGS, IT COMES OFF AS MORE, I GUESS IT LOOKS BROWN.BUT IT JUST, I, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM.
I WOULD GO OFF THE, THE REAL PIECE.
SO THE REAL PIECE IS A MUCH DARKER YEAH.
AND 'CAUSE THAT FITS TO ME WITHIN THE, THE DESIGN OF THE OVERALL BUILDING MUCH BETTER THAN IT'S REPRESENTED.
YOU SEE, I, YOU JUST HELPED ME, I TELL THESE GUYS HOW IMPORTANT THESE RENDERINGS ARE WHEN I'M SO FUSSY ABOUT 'EM.
AND NOW THEY HEARD IT FROM SOMEONE ELSE
NO, I JUST, I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT.
'CAUSE IT IS, WHEN YOU LOOK, I KNOW I HATE WHEN PEOPLE DO THAT AS A RE, YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN YOU HOLD UP THE SAMPLE, IT LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT.
UH, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION AND, UM, MR. WE STARTED US OFF EARLIER ABOUT THE CANING OF THE BUILDING AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UH, YOU ADDED THE, THE ENTRANCE VISIBILITY ALONG VILLAGE PARKWAY.
WAS THERE REASONING FOR, OR ESSENTIALLY OBFUSCATING THAT VISUALLY WITH THE LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF IT, WITH THE VERTICAL AND THE HORIZONTAL LOW LYING LANDSCAPING? IS THAT A DESIGN? CAN WE PUT THAT DRAWING BACK UP? UH, THE, THE ONE THAT KIND OF, YEAH, THAT, THAT BOTTOM ONE WHERE THE COUPLE IS THERE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING HEARING INTO THE, IT'LL SOUND LIKE A JOKE, BUT I'M, I'M AN ARCHITECT, SO I WANNA SHOW THE BUILDING MORE THAN THE TREE.
SO, SORRY, MY LANDSCAPE FRIENDS, UM, I, I, I WOULD REFER BACK TO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, UM, DOCUMENTS AND SOME OF THE SIZE AND SPECIES THAT THEY SHOW, PROBABLY MORE THAN THE RENDERING.
UM, BUT I THINK THE RENDERING IS INTENDED TO COMMUNICATE THE HOW ARE WE TREATING THE FACADE AND THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE MATERIALITY.
BUT, UM, PRECISION AND RENDERINGS IS A, IS A BIG DEAL HERE.
SO WE'RE, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE.
SO, SO I'M, I GUESS I'M LOOKING, COULD YOU PLEASE CLARIFY HOW SPECIFICALLY THE PACKAGE LANDSCAPE AND ARCHITECTURE, UM, THE LANDSCAPE IS A ADDRESSED THE, THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE ON VILLAGE PARKWAY? SO THE, THE OTHER IMAGE WITH THE COUPLE STANDING IN FRONT OF IT, KIND OF LOOKING, BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT APPEARANCE THAN THE ONE WITH THE, OH, I, I GET WHAT YOU MEAN.
AND I THINK, AND FORGIVE ME, BUT I THINK YOU SHOWED THESE AS THIS IS WHAT IT WAS AND THIS IS WHAT IT'S BECOME, RIGHT? NO, THIS WAS JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE PRINCIPLE FRONT ENTRANCE ON BOTH THE ELEVATIONS.
I'M MAY MS CALL, MAYBE I'M NOT GETTING YOUR QUESTION.
SO THE DRAWING THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE SCREEN THAT I HAVE HERE, YOU'VE ADDED IN THAT PRINCIPLE ENTRANCE THAT IS AT THE HEAD OF THE BLUE LINES, YOU CAN SEE ON MY DRAWING.
BUT IN FRONT OF THAT, THERE ARE SOME VERTICAL AND SOME HORIZONTAL LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS.
IT APPEARS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT INFERRING ANYTHING.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO HOW YOU ADDRESSED THE COMMISSIONS AND STAFF'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE ON VILLAGE PARKWAY? SO I THINK THE, THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS, IS REALLY IDENTIFIED WITH THE, THE CLARITY OF ESSENTIALLY, WE'LL CALL IT A FRONT DOOR.
UM, AND THE WALK PATHS TO IT FROM THE PRIMARY EITHER PARKING SPACE OR THROUGHOUT THE OVERALL CAMPUS, IS WHAT DROVE THE, THE UPPER VIEW WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE STEPPING STONES, UH, TO GO FROM KIND OF GALLERY ENTRANCE, UH, TO THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
THE, THE LANDSCAPE VISUAL ALONG VILLAGE PARKWAY, I THINK IS INTENDED TO BUILD OFF OF WHAT WAS DONE AT THE SALON, WHAT WAS DONE AT BASE ONE, WHAT'S DONE AT THE, KIND OF THE HYPHEN BETWEEN THE PARK AND THE BLANK SITE, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE PARK.
AND SO THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN ON THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE COMPLETE HAS THIS CONTINUATION OF THESE LOW VISUAL WALLS WITH BUILDUP TIERED LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS THE SAME THING THAT'S BEING DONE HERE IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY.
UH, BUT EACH OF THEM ARE ALL UNIQUELY DIFFERENT.
BUT IN THE SAME LANGUAGE, THE, THE THOUGHT IS THAT THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY A STRAIGHT SIDEWALK TO VILLAGE PARKWAY, BUT IT'S MORE A MEANDERING PATH THROUGH THE CAMPUS.
AND THAT WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO ENCOURAGE IS TO BRING THOSE WALKING ON THE MAIN SIDEWALK OF VILLAGE PARKWAY INTO THE CAMPUS WALKING THROUGH THIS PARK OR THESE OTHER SORT OF NODES THAT ARE GOING ALONG.
AND EVEN OFF OF THE, THE SCREEN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS AT THE SALON, RIGHT AT THAT ROUNDABOUT IS THE AMOUNT
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OF PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND PEOPLE SITTING AND ENJOYING THAT LANDSCAPE HAS BEEN WONDERFUL.AND SO IT EVEN DROVE THE PEN ZONES TO REALLY ACTIVATE MORE OF THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING TO JUST CREATE THIS HUMAN CONNECTION BETWEEN PEOPLE.
SO THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN LIKE, HOW DO WE NOT HAVE THIS SIDEWALK THAT SAYS THAT'S YOU AND THIS IS US, BUT REALLY MESHING THESE PEDESTRIAN PATHS TO, TO DO IT IN JUST LIKE A DIRECT SIDEWALK STRAIGHT TO THE, UH, FRONT DOOR OR THE GALLERY DOOR, I THINK DEFEATS THIS MEANDERING WALK PATH AND THIS KIND OF ENJOY NATURE ON THAT WALK, UH, ROUTE.
SO, SO I'LL ASK ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL SEE IF ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
SO THE IMAGE WITH A COUPLE STANDING THERE, WHO, THE, THE FRONT DOOR IS JUST PAST THE TREE THAT YOU CAN SEE KIND OF, UH, AT THE SECOND HIGHEST PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IT'S IN, IN ANY WAY INVITING TO A FRONT FACADE FROM VILLAGE PARKWAY WHERE THEY'RE STANDING OR, WELL, I THINK IT, WELL, MAYBE NOT, BUT IT'S, I THINK IT'S INTENDED TO WEAVE YOU THROUGH OTHER PORTIONS OF THE SITE TO GET TO THAT POINT.
AND MAYBE THAT'S HOW I SEE THE UPPER VIEW.
LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION TO SEE IF ANYONE HAS ANY FINAL QUESTIONS.
MR. WE, I, I DID WANNA BUILD ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I WANTED TO COME BACK TO THIS, THE, THE POINT, AND, UM, I TAKE YOUR POINT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A DIRECT ROUTE TO A FRONT DOOR, BUT YOU KNOW, IN AN URBAN DISTRICT, YOU ANTICIPATE THAT YOU ARE GONNA WALK FROM A PUBLIC SIDEWALK INTO BUILDINGS THAT ARE PART OF IT.
AND RIGHT NOW, THIS BUILDING DOES NOT HAVE ANY CONNECTION TO WHAT WE WOULD PERCEIVE AS THE PUBLIC ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS THE, ITS VILLAGE PARKWAY AND THE, AND THE WALKWAY ALONG IT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A STRAIGHT CONNECTION, BUT THERE IS NO CONNECTION AT ALL.
AND SOME OF THE DRAWINGS SHOW A STONE WALL.
THE RENDERING SHOWS A STONE WALL THAT CONNECTS BOTH OF THE PUBLIC, UM, PARKS, BUT THERE, THE PLANET 34 DOESN'T.
SO I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.
IS THERE A STONE WALL THAT CONNECTS THE TWO PARTS? IS THAT, SO THE STONEWALL DOESN'T CONNECT THE TWO PARTS IN THE LATEST DRAWING, IT IS SHOWN IN THE RENDERING IN THE LATEST PACKAGE.
THE RENDERINGS DOES SHOW THE STONEWALL, BUT AN ACTUAL, UM, ON THE PLANS, THERE IS NO STONEWALL OUT THERE.
THE PLAN THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW SHOWS THE WALL, BUT THE ONE ON PAGE 34 DOESN'T.
SO I WAS JUST, I'M ASKING A QUESTION.
IS THAT WALL, I MEAN YEAH, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT SHEET L 2.0, OR I'M NOT SURE IF I HAD THAT L 3.0, THAT'S THE ONE I'M ON.
AND SO I THINK THAT THE STONE WALL IS THAT, THAT KIND OF BODE SHAPE WITH THE FIVE TREES AROUND IT, AND MAYBE THE RENDERING IS, UM, BUT THE RENDERING SHOWS THE TWO PART WALLS CONNECTED ACROSS THAT FRONTAGE BACK TO THE, THE FRONT, THE, THAT RENDERING THAT SHOWS PEOPLE STANDING IN FRONT OF A STONE WALL.
THAT DOESN'T APPEAR CONSISTENT ON THE DRAWINGS.
NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND, AND I ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S, UM, AGAIN, IT HAS AN IMPACT ON PERCEPTIONS ACCESS, YOU KNOW? SURE.
A WALL SAYS, DON'T COME ANYWHERE NEAR HERE.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN POINT, BUT WE'LL LET HIM COMPLETE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IMAGE THERE, YOUR, YOUR MIC CRIPPLING OFF AGAIN, THE IMAGE WITH THE STEP STONES, I COULD SEE IT VERY EASILY CONTINUING BACK OUT TO, UM, THE PEDESTRIAN WALK ON VILLAGE PARK AND, YOU KNOW, TRACING THAT CURVED STONE WALL THAT YOU SEE ON, I'M ON L 3.0.
SO THIS, THIS RENDERING, YOU SEE THAT THAT GAP BETWEEN THE TWO LOW STONE WALLS YEAH.
YOU TALKING ABOUT A PATHWAY TO THE, TO THE LEFT OF THE PARK ON THE LEFT IS A POTENTIAL THAT STEPPING STONE.
I WANT TO JUST COME UP THERE AND DRAW IT FOR YOU.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, ON L 3.0, I THINK IT'D BE VERY EASY AND WONDERFUL TO HAVE KIND OF THAT WALK PATH FROM, WE'LL CALL IT THE GALLERY ENTRANCE, WHICH IS THE LEFT SIDE OF THOSE STEPPING STONES THAT IS CURRENTLY GOING TO THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE.
IF THAT WERE TO CONTINUE AND MEANDER TO THE, THE SIDEWALK ON VILLAGE PARKWAY, I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL, EASY TO DO.
BUT THAT STONE WALL SHOW UP ON THE PLAN, THIS, THAT STONE WALL AND THAT RENDERING DOES NOT SHOW UP ON THE PLAN.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION.
I, IT'S ALL PART OF THE, I'D SAY LET'S, LET'S
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KIND OF GO OFF OF THE SUBMITTAL AND THE PLANUH, ALRIGHT, LET, LET'S GO TO MR. ALEXANDER.
DID YOU EVER CONSIDER PUTTING THE GALLERY WHERE YOU HAVE THE READING ROOM? I, I THINK IT'S LABELED AS READING ROOM, BUT THE, THE WHOLE LOWER LEVEL OF THIS BUILDING IS A, A GALLERY OF DISPLAYED ART IN A WORKING AND LIVING SPACE AS, AS THE, AS A LIVE WORK SPACE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S TIME OF THE DAY THAT, YEAH, THEY WILL BE HAVING DINNER AT THAT MEETING TABLE, BUT THERE'LL BE OTHER TIMES WHERE THERE'S PEOPLE COMMISSIONING ART AT THAT SAME TABLE.
SO THE NATURE OF LIVED WORK IS NOT COMPLETE ISOLATION BETWEEN THE TWO LEVELS.
I THINK IT'S CROSS UTILIZATION OF EACH OF THESE SPACES.
SO THAT READING ROOM, I WOULD SAY IS EVERY BIT OF A GALLERY WITH A CHAIR IN IT AND A BOOK ON THE TABLE.
THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS IMPLICIT IN THIS PART OF THE CODE IS CONNECTIONS TO THE STREET.
AND IF THIS IS, AND THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT ORIENTATION, THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT CLEAR FRONT DOOR, EVEN THE, THE DESIRE NOT TO MAKE THIS AS TRANSPARENT AS IT SHOULD BE.
UM, HOW SO? ALL, ALL OF THOSE, WELL, YOU'RE UNDER, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU NEED TO WAIVER FOR TRANSPARENCY, RIGHT? WHICH WE JUST SAID WE'RE, WE'RE ADJUSTING Y YEAH, YOU'RE ADJUSTING.
BUT THE RESISTANCE TO DO THAT, THE, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE TRANSPARENCY AND ALL OF THIS IS TO FOCUS ON THE STREET.
AND IF YOUR PRIMARY GALLERY WAS THERE AND YOU HAD STRONGER CONNECTIONS, UM, TO THE STREET, THEN I THINK YOU'RE, IT'S CLOSER TO, UM, MEETING SOME OF THE UNDERLYING, UNDERLYING BASIS OF THIS MAKE THE STREET USABLE AND WALKABLE.
I MEAN, THAT THE PARKS ARE NICE, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IF YOUR PRIMARY, AND YOU DIDN'T LABEL IT AS GALLERY READING ROOM, BUT IF, IF THAT'S THE PRIMARY GALLERY AND YOU'RE TAKING PEOPLE THERE, THEN IT HELPS ANIMATE THE STREET AND REINFORCES WHAT THE CODE IS ABOUT IN THIS AREA.
BUT IT COULD ALSO BE JUST, WE'RE GONNA HANG A PAINTING ON THE FACING WALL AT THAT WINDOW.
IT IS SERVING THAT SAME FUNCTION.
AND I, AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY RESISTANCE IN ADDING WINDOWS OR MEETING SOME OF THE INTENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, TRULY, THIS IS A UNIQUE APPLICATION, BELIEVE ME, I GET THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEFINITION OF HOW EVERY INTERIOR SPACE IS GONNA BE USED IN A LIVE WORK SETTING IS THAT IT'S SUITABLE FOR LIVING AND WORKING.
AND SO WHAT WE HAVE TO CREATIVELY THINK ABOUT IS EACH OF THESE SPACES SERVING AS A WORK RELATED COMPONENT, BUT ALSO NOT PRECLUDING THE FACT THAT PEOPLE LIVE THERE ALSO.
AND SO THE FUNCTIONALITY OF A LOT OF THESE SPACES ISN'T JUST ISOLATED TO WHAT HAPPENS IN EACH ROOM AND WHERE IT IS WITHIN THE BUILDING.
IT'S REALLY HOW DO YOU ENHANCE BOTH LIVE AND WORK THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY BY POSITIONING A LOT OF THESE WINDOWS AND UTILIZATION OF THESE ROOMS. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE NATURE OF THE ART IS PAINTING ALL OF THE VISIBILITY OF THOSE PAINTINGS.
I'D IMAGINE THIS IS A GALLERY RESIDENCE THAT HAS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PAINTING THAT'S VISIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO AS MUCH AS THE GARAGE GALLERY IS THE PRIMARY SHOW SPACE, JUST BECAUSE IT'S DIMENSIONALLY THE BIGGEST, I THINK THE ENTIRE NATURE OF THE PEDESTRIAN WALKING AROUND THIS BUILDING IS SEEING GLIMPSES INTO A GALLERY THAT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE WHERE SOMEONE LIVES.
THAT THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS IS WHAT I THINK ALLOWS IT TO HAVE THE ADAPTABILITY IN EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONAL SPACES.
NOW, THERE'S CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET SQUARE FOOTAGE, FIRE SUPPRESSION, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE BEING MET.
BUT TO SAY TO A, A BUILDING OWNER, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU NEED TO WORK HERE AND NOT LIVE HERE, ISN'T REALLY THE INTENT OF WHAT A LIVE WORK BUILDING IS.
NOW THERE'S DESIGNATIONS OF LOCATIONS, WHICH I THINK WE DO.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA SHOW ART UP IN THEIR BEDROOM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO NOT GOING TO PRECLUDE PEOPLE FROM SEEING ART ON THE WORKSPACE WITHIN THIS BUILDING.
IT'S A, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT INTERPRETATION WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE GUIDELINES OF DUBLIN, BUT ALSO WITHIN THE BUILDING CODE.
SO ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE BUILDING CODE ARE BEING MET.
ALL OF THE, I THINK, INTENT OF, UH, THE BRIDGE STREET GUIDELINES ARE ALSO BEING MET.
THANK YOU, MR. MYERS, MR. WAY AGAIN.
I WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE QUESTIONS RIGHT.
SO I, I'M, I'M JUST GOING BACK TO THE INTENT.
I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT LIVE WORK, BUT FROM THE FIRST PRESENTATION WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS GALLERY SPACE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS GREEN SPACE OUT IN FRONT, ALONG THE STREET BEING ART AND SCULPTURE.
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I READ THAT AS THIS IS A SPACE, UH, WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT'S MEANT TO BE SOMEWHAT PUBLIC BECAUSE IT'S AN ART GALLERY.AND I MEAN, I DON'T MEAN LIKE EVERY DAY, BUT IT'S A CONTROLLED SPACE AND THAT THERE'S THIS SEAMLESS KIND OF CONNECTION, UM, BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE LANDSCAPE AND THE PUBLIC REALM IN THAT.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE PUBLIC, THE, THE, THE FRONT GREEN, THE PUBLIC REALM IS KIND OF LIKE, WELL, THAT'S RELATED TO THE SIDEWALK.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE AT THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND THE BUILDING IS SEPARATE, AND YOU HAVE TO ENTER THAT FROM THE BACK.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE, THIS IDEA OF, OF A FRONT FACADE, A FRONT ENTRANCE, A, YOU KNOW, CONNECTIVITY, ENGAGEMENT WITH THE GREEN SPACE BY THE COMMUNITY PUBLIC, JUST AGAIN, THAT WAS THE INTENT I GUESS THAT I ORIGINALLY, UM, SO PART OF THE UNDERSTOOD.
SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH, HOW THIS UNDERSTOOD.
SO PART OF THE CHALLENGE WE'RE ALL GONNA FACE IS YOU, YOU REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY.
I REPRESENT THE HOMEOWNER, RIGHT? AND THIS IS A COMBINATION OF LIVE AND WORK, NOT ALL WORK, ALL COMMUNITY.
AND SO FINDING THAT, THAT BALANCE BETWEEN HOW DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S ENGAGING BY THE COMMUNITY, ACCESSIBLE BY THE COMMUNITY, BUT IS ALSO STILL THEIR RESIDENTS? AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE OF LIVE WORK.
THE NATURE OF EVERY TYPE OF LIVE WORK SPACE IS ALSO HAS TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL BECAUSE YOU'RE BRINGING PEOPLE INTO YOUR HOME.
AND SO HAVING THIS RECOGNITION OF HOW DO YOU CREATE A COHESIVE SPACE, UM, YOU KNOW, A A CONJOINED PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE, BUT ALSO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS SUPPORTIVE ON, ON BOTH SIDES.
THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN THE, THE CHALLENGE OF A PROJECT LIKE THIS, I THINK FOR ALL OF US FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF, UM, TAKE A COUPLE OF STEPS BACK BECAUSE FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, TYPICALLY SPEAKING, WE WOULD GO THROUGH QUESTIONS, WE WOULD THEN CLOSE QUESTIONS.
YOU WOULD SIT DOWN, WE WOULD DELIBERATE, AND THEN WE MAKE A DETERMINATION.
UH, OTHERWISE WE ASK FOR A MOTION AND WE, WE CONTINUE WITH THE ITEM BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MEAT HERE.
THERE ARE SEVEN, SEVEN WAIVERS, SEVEN WAIVERS, AND SIX CONDITIONS, I BELIEVE ON THIS ITEM.
FROM WHAT I HEARD DURING OUR DISCUSSION, THREE OF THOSE CONDITIONS, EXCUSE ME, THREE OF THOSE WAIVERS BASED ON THE DISCUSSION.
AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO SAY YES, I ACCEPT ALL OF THEM RIGHT NOW, BUT BASED ON OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THREE OF THOSE WAIVERS MAY BE NON-ISSUES.
AND, AND I WOULD SAY THE SIGN AND THE SIGN, I APOLOGIZE, I DID HAVE THAT ONE DOWN.
SO THAT'S FOUR OF THE SEVEN, WHICH LEAVES US WITH THREE WAIVERS, ALL OF WHICH SPEAK TO MR. W'S IMMEDIATE PREVIOUS COMMENTS ABOUT THAT ORIENTATION AND THE SETBACK, THAT PRIMARY ENTRANCE, BECAUSE WE ARE IN BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
SO IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO STAFF, IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE APPLICANT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH ON THESE THREE PARTICULAR ITEMS. WE'LL COME BACK TO THE FOUR OTHERS AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION BEFORE WE GO INTO DELIBERATION.
BUT ON THESE THREE ITEMS, I WANNA CALL BACK SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER WITH, UH, WHAT YOU RECALL OR WHAT YOU BELIEVE YOU RECALL AT 12% CANING AT THAT ORIENTATION.
THE BUILDING WOULD BE THE SAME FOOTPRINT, THE SAME DESIGN, THE SAME BUILDING.
AND THEN YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT 12%.
CAN YOU SPEAK AGAIN TO UNDERSTANDING WHERE OUR CONCERNS ARE, WHAT YOUR INTENT WITH THAT COMMENT ON THE 12% WAS A WATER, UM, TESTING MY MEMORY, AND PROBABLY YOURS AS WELL, AND I'D HATE TO SAY GO BACK TO THE RECORD AND ALL THAT, BUT I KNOW IN AUGUST WHEN WE DID THE INFORMAL, AND I, I REALIZE THAT'S NOT BINDING, BUT I THINK WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT DIALOGUE, WE LANDED ON THIS IS THE, THE POSITION OF THE BUILDING THAT IT SHOULD PROCEED WITH.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE DIGGING IN OUR HEELS AND IT WON'T CHANGE NO MATTER WHAT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT THE HISTORY WAS, I, WE'D HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE.
AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT KIM IS ASKING FOR IS ESSENTIALLY IF WE ROTATE THIS THING COUNTERCLOCKWISE, CAN WE GET CLOSER
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TO BEING PARALLEL TO THE STREET, RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE STILL GONNA BE BACK FROM THE STREET.WE'RE STILL GONNA, NO MATTER WHAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS PROBABLY GREATER THAN 35 FOOT SETBACK.
BUT AT THAT LAST MEETING, IT WAS GET AT LEAST THAT CORNER UP AS CLOSE AS WE CAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT DROVE THE POSITION.
IT ACTUALLY DROVE ALL THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN AND ENGINEER.
IF THE INTENT IS, CAN WE JUST SIMPLY ROTATE THIS TO CREATE THIS ALIGNMENT, UM, WE'RE RECEPTIVE TO THAT.
AND I'M CERTAIN THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT THROUGH STAFF VERY, VERY EASILY AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, COME BACK FOR SHARING THAT INFORMATION.
BUT THERE, THERE ISN'T OPPOSITION TO THAT.
IF THAT'S AN ELEMENT, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, GARNERS SOME DEGREE OF APPROVAL, THE NUMBER WOULD BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE BUILDING WOULD MOVE.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD MODIFY THE MATERIALITY, THE DESIGN DIRECTION, THE INTENT OF THE LANDSCAPE.
I, I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW DOES IT SIT ON THE PAGE.
UM, ALONG WITH THAT, IF THE, IF THE INTENT IS ENHANCE MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, A CLARITY OF HOW YOU GET FROM SIDEWALK TO THE GALLERY DOOR OR THE FRONT DOOR, THAT'S A, THAT'S A MATTER OF, AND I WOULD PROPOSE WE'RE JUST GONNA CONTINUE THAT SAME DESIGN CONCEPT OF HOW THAT PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY IS TO THE FRONT.
SO THEN, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT LEAVES US REALLY WITH ONE CONDITION.
AND THAT ONE CONDITION IS THE SETBACK BECAUSE OF THE LAYOUT OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WITH ALL OF THE EASEMENTS AND THE UNDERLYING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE CITY HAS SAID IS, UH, NON MOVABLE.
LOOKING, SORRY, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS.
MR. WA, AGAIN, I, I'M, AS I SAID IN MY, IN MY QUESTIONS
AND I THINK IF YOU ROTATE IT, IT MIGHT NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
AND I STILL THINK THAT FITS WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE PENZONE COLLECTION OF THAT THERE'S A SIMILAR SETBACK.
SO TO ME, THE SETBACK, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT AS LONG AS THE BUILDING STARTS TO CONFORM TO THE BRIDGE STREET RELATIONSHIP AND CONNECTIVITY TO THE STREET.
IN, IN TERMS OF CLOSER TO PARALLEL, IS WHAT YOU MEAN? YES.
THE DI THE DIMENSION IS SECONDARY PARALLEL TO BEING CLOSER TO PARALLEL.
IT'S LIKE IF YOU, IF IT WAS AT THE STREET AND YOU HAD TO PUSH IT BACK RIGHT, RIGHT.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO DO IN OUR WAIVERS AND CONDITIONS IT SOUNDS LIKE.
BUT, UM, MR. MYERS LOOKING TO YOU FOR CLARIFICATION.
UH, WAIVER NUMBER ONE WOULD GO, UH, LET'S SEE, LET'S SEE, 75%, UH, PROPERTY LINE COVERAGE.
COULD I RESPOND TO THAT ONE WOULD REMAIN BECAUSE WE HAVE A PHASE TWO COMING, WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE ON THAT? YEAH, THAT'S MY RESPONSE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST, SORRY, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT.
UH, WAIVER NUMBER TWO STANCE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE SETBACK ONLY.
UH, IT SAYS ALLOW SETBACK OF 35 FEET.
I BELIEVE THE WAIVER WOULD NEED TO SAY A ALLOW SETBACK GREATER THAN WHATEVER THE MINIMUM WAS.
ADDING A CONDITION TO WORK WITH STAFF TO MINIMIZE THE REQUIRED SETBACK WHILE STILL MEETING THE PARALLEL PLANE.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE KIND OF CONFLATING OUR QUESTIONS AND DELIBERATION.
WE'LL GO BACK TO DELIBERATION HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT WE'LL DELIBERATE BASED ON THE PENCIL STUFF.
ENTRANCE WAIVER NUMBER THREE HAS SOMEWHAT BEEN MEANT BY THE CHANGE OF THE PLANE WAIVER NUMBER FOUR GOES AWAY WITH A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO MEET THE 60% TRANSPARENCY WITH GARAGE MODIFICATION.
SAME WITH WAIVER NUMBER FIVE, GALLERY, GALLERY, BUT CORRECT.
SAME WITH NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS THE SLOT WINDOW MODIFICATION.
AND THE SAME WITH NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS THE SIGN ON THE STREET FACING SIDE.
SO LOOKING TO THE APPLICANT, IS THAT ALL ACCEPTABLE BEFORE WE ENTER INTO DELIBERATIONS ON THE NOW MODIFIED Y?
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YES.ALRIGHT, ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE ENTER INTO DELIBERATIONS? MR. DESLER? I'M JUST NOT SURE ON THIS.
SO I, I KNOW ON THE PLANNING REPORT THERE WAS LIKE ONE OF THESE CRITERIA THAT WASN'T MET.
DOES THAT MATTER? I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS SOMETHING REALLY WASN'T REALLY ADDRESSED.
UM, REQUIREMENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS.
UH, I, SO I'LL LET STAFF SPEAK TO THAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT WE DISCUSSED THAT DURING THE INFORMAL AND THE CONCEPT PLAN.
AT AT LEAST MY READING OF THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, OR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND THE CRITERION THAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE IS NUMBER 11, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CONFORMS TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF 1 53 0.063 NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS AS APPLICABLE.
IN A SENSE, IT'S NOT REALLY APPLICABLE BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT HAVING A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, AS NOTED IN THE NOTE FROM STAFF, IT'S NOT A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE ART GALLERY, BUT THE LIVE WORK DWELLING IS A PERMITTED USE.
SO IN THIS, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED A LOT TONIGHT, UH, UNIQUE APPLICATION, THE GENERAL, UM, REQUIREMENT FOR MIXED USE IS SUPERSEDED BY THE FACT THAT THIS LIVE WORK DWELLING USE IS PERMITTED.
MR. DASHER, ANY QUESTIONS? I'M GOOD.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE ENTER INTO DELIBERATION? MR. LEXANDER? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THAD TO CLARIFY.
AND HIS, HIS EARLIER COMMENT, YOU SAID, IF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ALLOCATIONS MEET THE LIVE WORK DISTRIBUTION, RIGHT? IF YOU JUDGE, NO, I, I, THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS.
THERE IS HOW LIVE WORK DWELLING IS DEFINED IN THE ZONING CODE.
SO THOSE OF US WHO ARE HERE ARE SORT OF HAMSTRUNG BY AN EARLIER DECISION THAT WAS MADE.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION YES.
AS CONSTITUTED PREVIOUSLY PASSED A CONCEPT PLAN.
SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF TODAY INHERIT THE CONCEPT PLAN AS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AND SO THE SAME, YOU KNOW, WHILE IT HAS MOVED SOMEWHAT ON THE SITE, IT IS THE SAME BUILDING AND PROGRAMMING THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE CONCEPT PLAN AND WAS DETERMINED AT THAT STAGE TO BE A PERMITTED USE UNDER THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE.
SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES, YOU ARE HAMSTRUNG BY THE PRIOR DECISION
MS. HARDER, JUST ON ANOTHER NOTE TO CLARIFY THAT THE GARAGE DOORS, ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME FILM.
IS THAT YOUR INTERPRETATION OF OUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT AS WELL? YES.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS? SPEAK NOW OR WHEREVER.
WE WILL NOW ENTER INTO OUR DELIBERATION.
NO, I'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, MR. WAY, I'M GONNA START US OFF.
SO, UM, I'VE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT SINCE THE BEGINNING.
UM, AND I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS, THIS PIECE OF LAND IS SO UNIQUE AND IT'S AN ISLAND AND IT REALLY IS PENN ZONE CAMPUS.
AND SO THE IDEA OF INTRODUCING BUILDINGS THAT FIT INTO THAT,
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THAT CAMPUS, TO ME, MAKES THE MOST SENSE.AND AGAIN, I, AGAIN, I THINK, UH, THE, THIS IS IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT AND THE CODE IS VERY STRONG ABOUT CREATING THIS VERY RICH URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
UM, BUILDINGS FRONTING ON THE STREETS, FRONT DOORS ON THE STREETS, ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC REALM.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN THE FRUSTRATION A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, THIS BUILDING.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE EASEMENTS HAVE BEEN MOVING.
UH, I THINK WE CLARIFIED SOME EASEMENTS AND I THINK THINGS OPENED UP A BIT.
SO I THINK IN MY MIND THERE HAS BEEN SOME FLUIDITY IN HOW THAT THE, THE BUILDING HAS MOVED AROUND AND, AND IT'S NOW, I THINK IN THIS STAGE, LOOKS LIKE IT CAN BE ROTATED TO A POINT WHERE IT CAN NOW FIT WITHIN THE DISTRICT, UH, GUIDELINES.
AND, AND SO AGAIN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT FRONT LANDSCAPE THAT MAY CHANGE SLIGHTLY.
I THINK YOU'D ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL WALKS AND STUFF.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IDEA, IS THERE A STONEWALL THAT CONNECTS THE TWO OPEN SPACES? IT LOOKS LIKE IT DOES, IT DOES IN SOME THINGS AND OTHERS IT DOESN'T.
I THINK, UM, IT, WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT FRONT AND HAVING IT BE COHESIVE AND CONNECTED.
UM, AND I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT THE, UM, AREA WHERE THERE'S, THE, THE FUTURE BUILDINGS WILL BE, SEEMS LIKE IT'S A VERY, UM, NEBULOUS AREA RIGHT NOW.
AND IT, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE ARE GONNA HAPPEN, THOSE BUILDINGS OR, OR IF THEY'RE GONNA HAPPEN.
IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF THE LANDSCAPE COULD RESOLVE THAT EDGE AND LET THE LANDSCAPE WRAP AROUND THE BUILDING TO THE, THE OTHER FACADE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I THINK YOU HAVE A, A PROJECT THAT'S BASICALLY STANDS ALONE IF IT HAS TO, AND AS SUCCESSFUL.
UM, I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE'S BEAUTIFUL.
I THINK I SAID THAT FROM, UM, LAST MEETING AT LEAST.
AND MAYBE IN THE, THE FIRST ITERATIONS.
I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MATERIALS, EVERYTHING, THE SPIRIT OF IT IS ALL THERE.
I THINK IT'S JUST HOW DOES IT FIT INTO THIS UNIQUE URBAN ENVIRONMENT IN BRIDGE PARK, IS WHAT I WANNA SEE.
UM, AND AGAIN, AS WE LOOK AT THE CODE AND WE FOLLOW THE CODE, EVERY TIME WE TAKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ANOMALY, IT SETS A PRECEDENT.
SO I WANT TO, I'M TRYING TO PULL THIS THING BACK INTO SOMETHING THAT FITS INTO THE CODE, RECOGNIZE THE LIMITATIONS OF THIS SITE, WHICH WE WILL FACE THAT IN OTHER, OTHER APPLICATIONS.
SO AGAIN, I, I THINK WE'RE, UM, HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH THE COMMENTS TONIGHT.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, MS. HARDER.
THANK YOU MR. WE FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US THIS EVENING AS WELL AS ALL THE TIME THAT YOU'VE SPENT ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE LIVE WORK SPACE.
UM, I WAS FORTUNATE TO BE A PART OF THAT OPPORTUNITY AND TO HEAR THAT AND HOW THIS, UM, HOW THIS COMMISSION HAS MOVED IN THAT, UM, IN THAT SPACE.
UM, AND I'M, UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE UPDATES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS EVENING.
AND I SURE SEE THAT YOUR COOPERATION TOWARDS THAT IS MOVING, MOVING THAT, UM, IN THAT FAVOR AS WELL TOO.
UM, I DON'T WANNA, UM, GO FURTHER ON TO WHAT, UM, MR. WE SAID, BUT I AGREE WITH THE PATH AND CONNECTIONS AND, AND STAYING WITHIN THE CODES.
UM, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
'CAUSE THEY LIVE RIGHT THERE AND RIGHT BEHIND.
UM, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THE BASEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I'M TOTALLY IN AGREEMENT.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING AND SO FORTH WITH SAFETY.
AND, UM, BUT AGAIN, UM, I APPRECIATE, UM, THIS PROJECT AND THE WORK THAT, UH, YOU AND THE STAFF HAVE PUT TOGETHER.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. CHINOOK.
YEAH, I, I I WOULD AGREE THAT, I MEAN, YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN HERE, WE'VE WORKED WITH YOU ALL AND YOU'VE ACCOMMODATED EVERYTHING WE'VE ASKED.
YOU'VE CREATED A REALLY BEAUTIFUL, A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
UM, AND ACTUALLY A REALLY NICE SITE.
I MEAN, YOU'VE PUT A LOT, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT, MONEY INTO THE, UH, THE LANDSCAPING, THE PARK AND CREATING THIS PARK SPACE.
I'M GONNA KIND OF COUNTER THE, THE PRIOR COMMENTS.
'CAUSE I, I LOOKED AT IT TOO AND I WAS TRYING TO WRESTLE WITH IT.
'CAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, FROM A PLAN STANDPOINT, YEAH, IT'S REALLY GREAT TO HAVE IT LINE UP A VILLAGE PARKWAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN OUR, IT'S, IT'S A BIG PART OF OUR ZONING THERE, BUT THERE'S SO MANY UNIQUE ASPECTS TO THIS SITE, IN MY OPINION.
THE WEDGE, THE EASEMENTS, THE, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DRIVE IT, IT, IT JUST, THE VANTAGE POINTS, THE VIEWS.
I THINK THE WAY YOU HAVE IT ORIENTED, IT ACTUALLY FITS THIS SITE BETTER.
AND I THINK IT SETS US UP FOR THIS, THE, THE ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING HERE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO BECAUSE OF THE, I MEAN THE ADDED PARK SPACE YOU'RE PUTTING IN, THAT YOU'RE REALLY MAKING A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY SPACE AND IT'S NOT, IT'S UNIQUE, RIGHT? WE JUST DETERMINE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER LIVE WORK SPACE IN THE AREA.
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SO WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, MAYBE IT'S OKAY TO NOT HAVE IT FIT DIRECTLY WITHIN THE CODE BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER GREAT STUFF YOU'RE DOING HERE TO REALLY CREATE A NICE, A NICE SPACE.AND I THINK THE MORE YOU PUSH THAT UP, YOU'RE KIND OF TAKING AWAY, I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GONNA START TAKING AWAY FROM SOME OF THAT NICE PARK SPACE THAT YOU'VE DONE TO KIND OF CREATE THIS.
AND I, AND I SEE WHAT YOUR VISION IS TOO.
I MEAN, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY TO INSIDE OUT SPACE, NICE DAYS, YOU'RE BRINGING THE, THE, THE GALLERY OUT.
YOU BRING, MAYBE IT'S OUT THERE ON IN THIS PARK YOU'RE HAVING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOING ART IN THE PARK.
I MEAN, IT IS JUST, THERE'S SO MANY REALLY COOL THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH THIS, THIS SPACE.
AND I THINK THE MORE YOU MESS AROUND THE ORIENTATION OF IT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA START TO CONSTRICT SOME OF THOSE THINGS YOU'RE BE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I KUDOS TO YOU.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN, I MEAN, WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH.
YOU, YOU OBVIOUSLY CARE A LOT ABOUT, YOU CAN TELL THE PEN ZONES AND YOU ALL CARE A LOT ABOUT THE SITE, UM, AND, AND THE BUILDING.
UM, WE WILL GET THERE, BUT IT, AND IT'S GONNA, I, IT'S, I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT IT.
UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S A NICE HOUSE, BUT I THINK IT'S A HOUSE.
AND SO I'M GONNA ABSTAIN BECAUSE I, UM, SUPPORT BOARD'S PREVIOUS DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY.
BUT JUST AS THERE WAS A CON CON A CREATIVE INTERPRETATION THAT THIS IS REALLY LIVE WORK.
'CAUSE A TRADITIONAL LIVE WORK IS LIVES UP, WORKS DOWN, AND THAT'S WHAT A LOFT STRUCTURE IS.
SO I THINK THIS IS A CREATIVE INTERPRETATION OF WHAT LIVE WORK IS.
AND I THINK THE, THE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE ALLOCATIONS OF THE ROOM IS ALSO QUITE CREATIVE BECAUSE WHEN THERE'S A DIFFERENT OWNER, THIS IS A HOUSE, THIS IS GONNA BECOME A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
AND THE CODE SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES HERE.
SO, UM, BUT I'M GONNA ABSTAIN.
MR. DESLER, THANK YOU FOR THE CONCESSIONS ON THOSE, UH, WAIVERS.
UM, WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF PRECEDENT, SO I WOULD'VE BEEN AGAINST IT OUTTA THE GATE.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCESSION.
UH, THE ONE, THE ONE BIG THING FOR ME IS, IS, AND I, I KNOW, UH, KIM HAD DISCUSSED IT WAS SOME KIND OF PATH, AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT TO THE, THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO THE, UM, WHAT'S IT, VILLAGE PARKWAY? YEAH, THAT STREET.
AND I THINK THAT COVERS THAT WAIVER THREE 'CAUSE WE'RE ONE AND TWO HAVE TO GO FORWARD AS TO THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE BUILDING.
UM, BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE PLANNED, I'M KIND OF WITH JAMIE ON IT.
I, I REALLY DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE BEING ALIGNED OR NOT ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE THE WAY THAT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING IS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SPECIFICALLY UP AGAINST IT IS, IS ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT.
SO, UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE WITH THAT.
MR. GARVIN, UH, I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING AS, AS, UH, MR. CHINOOK AND MR. DESLER IN TERMS OF ORIENTATION.
UM, I THINK WITH THE BEND AND VILLAGE PARKWAY, JUST BEFORE THAT INTERSECTION, UH, THE LARGE WINDOW AND PARKER KIND OF ORIENTED TO WHAT YOU'D BE LOOKING DIRECTLY AT IF YOU WERE DRIVING SOUTH, I BELIEVE SOUTH THERE.
UM, SO I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
UH, I GUESS THE ENTRANCE, UM, I WOULD AGREE THAT IT, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT PATHWAY MEET VILLAGE PARKWAY.
UM, LESS CONCERNED WITH THE TRANSPARENCY WAIVER AND MATERIALS WAIVERS.
I THINK THAT THEY'RE CLOSE AND, AND, UH, IN THAT SPIRIT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BLANK WALL EITHER OBFUSCATED OR HAVE SOME SORT OF WINDOW TO, TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, 'CAUSE IT DOES STAND OUT A BIT FOR ME NOW.
UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? UH, THE SMALLER PARK, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S USABLE, WHETHER IT'S A BENCH OR SOMETHING IN THERE.
NOT JUST, UM, IF THERE'S SOME KINDA IVY OR SOMETHING MAYBE THAT WAS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE THAT RENDERING WAS, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WALKABLE WOULDN'T BE VERY USEFUL TO THE PUBLIC.
I'D LOVE TO SEE A BENCH TREE, SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACTIVATE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO I GUESS OVERALL, UH, WE'LL SEE HOW THIS IS BROKEN DOWN.
I WOULD GENERALLY, PROBABLY JUST TO ONE OF THE COMMISSION HERE, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, OF ALL SEVEN WAIVERS IF NECESSARY.
UM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND.
I WON'T SPEAK TO, UH, THE CONCEPT
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PLAN BECAUSE YOU HEARD MY COMMENTS AT CONCEPT PLAN.UM, BUT I, I DO APPRECIATE, UH, THE DIALOGUE THIS EVENING.
AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE, THE USE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS FOR PLANNING AND FOR ZONING.
SO PLANNING, WE LOOK AT THINGS WHILE WE ARE TONIGHT EVALUATING AND, AND ASKED TO, UM, DELIBERATE ON A SINGLE CASE.
AND SO WE LOOK AT THE CODE AND AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD, AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY, WE APPLY THE CODE, UH, TO EACH APPLICATION AS WE SEE FIT.
AND IF IT WERE AS SIMPLE AS STRICT CODE ADHERENCE, STRICT CODE APPLICATION, THEN AI WOULD'VE TAKEN OUR, YOU KNOW, VERY LUCRATIVE VOLUNTEER POSITIONS LONG AGO.
UH, BUT YOUR APPLICATION IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THESE CHAIRS AND NOT COMPUTERS IN THESE CHAIRS.
HAVING A MODEL THAT, THAT INCORPORATES EASEMENTS THAT LOOK LIKE A CHECKERBOARD, UH, IS, WELL, IT'S PROBLEMATIC TO, TO SAY THE LEAST.
UH, WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU CAME BEFORE US FOR THE INFORMAL AND THEN FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN SO THAT WE COULD WORK TOGETHER EARLY AND GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THAT TONIGHT WE HAVE AN APPLICATION AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE CONCESSIONS OF ORIENTATION ON THAT BUILDING, WHILE I AGREE THAT THE VEHICULAR ACCESS ACTUALLY WORKS BETTER WITH THE UNDULATION, WITH THE CURVE UP THE ROAD, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT IS A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CODE WAS DESIGNED TO BE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND ACTIVATION AT STREET LEVEL AND ACTIVATION AT WALKING PATH.
AND SO THE APPLICATION OF THAT COMES INTO HOW FAR SETBACK ARE THE BUILDINGS, WHERE'S THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, WHERE'S THE PRIMARY ACCESS? AND THAT'S HOW IT TRANSLATES TO US IN OUR ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE TO ADHERE THE CODE.
SO, UH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THIS EVENING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY STAFF TO WORDSMITH ITEMS, UH, THE ITEM THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS TWO WAIVERS, I BELIEVE, AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION ON THE PRELIMINARY AND AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION ON THE FINAL, UH, SORRY, TWO CONDITIONS ON FINAL.
SO AGAIN, I THINK THE BUILDING IS BEAUTIFUL.
I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE IS BEAUTIFUL.
I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE MORE THAN THE, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE THAT WAS REQUIRED WITH THE APPLICATION IN BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
AGAIN, PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE, THE PROPERTY AND HOW KIND OF PIGEONHOLED THAT HAS TO BE.
BUT YOU'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN INCORPORATING THOSE REQUIREMENTS, INCORPORATING THOSE SPECIFIC, UM, ELEMENTS WITHIN THE, THE PARTIAL ITSELF.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING, WELL, THE BUILDING BUILT, BECAUSE THIS IS THE LAST TIME PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION WOULD SEE THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION SANS ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS REQUIRED.
UM, UH, I I THINK THE, THE NUMBER TWO NEEDS TO BE GREATER THAN THE MINIMUM, NOT GREATER THAN 35 FEET BECAUSE THE WAIVER ITSELF IS, HEY, YOU GOTTA GO HIGHER THAN WHAT THE CODE CALLS FOR.
SO IT WOULD BE A WAIVER TO ALLOW A SETBACK OUTSIDE OF THE REQUIRED BUILD ZONE.
AND THEN THE, THE FIRST WAIVER DOESN'T CHANGE, RIGHT? THE FIRST CHA RIGHT WAIVER OF THE 75% DOESN'T CHANGE.
IT'S JUST THAT THE WAIVER ITSELF IS ALLOW GREATER THAN THE, THE REQUIRED IN THE CODE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONDITION THAT IS WORK WITH STAFF TO ORIENT THE BUILDING TO BE PLAIN IN THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR PRELIMINARY.
AND THEN WE HAVE TWO MORE ON FINAL, AND AGAIN, THIS WAS BASED ON HEAD NODS, SO I'D GET A STRAW COUNT TO FOUR BECAUSE I CAN COUNT COUNT FOUR.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THE ORIENTATION.
AND I DUNNO IF THIS IS GONNA HELP YOU ALL, BUT DO WE NEED TO DETERMINE WE'RE GONNA ACCEPT THE ORIENTATION OF THIS OR WE'RE LETTING STAFF 'CAUSE SO ORIENTATION, I SAW FOUR HEAD
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NODS.SO LET'S DO A DROP POLL ORIENTATION.
I SAW SOME, WELL, I, OKAY, SORRY.
SO ORIENTATION PLANE TO VILLAGE PARKWAY AS THE CODE AND BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CALLS FOR LOOKING FOR HEADCOUNT.
I SAW, NO, I'M FOR WHATEVER THE APPLICANT WANTS.
SO LET'S JUST MAKE SURE HERE THAT'S YEAH, JUST FOR CLARITY, I WAS SAYING THAT I, I ALSO WOULD AGREE WITH LEAVING THE ORIENTATION.
I HAVE FOUR ON ORIENTATION TO MATCH.
SORRY, MS. BEAL, I HAVE A COUNT OF FOUR FROM THE COMMISSION FOR ORIENTATION TO MATCH VILLAGE PARKWAY IS MR. ALEXANDER ABSTAINING FROM VOTING NOT INPUT.
SO YOU'LL HAVE TO ADD THAT AS A CONDITION THEN, RIGHT? BE PARALLEL.
THEY WERE NOS, HE WAS NOS WE WERE YESES.
SO WE PUT ALL THE CONDITIONS TOGETHER UNDER THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SINCE IT WAS A JOINT APPLICATION.
SO THE ONES IN RED WERE, CAN, CAN, CAN WE DO THE VERY TOP APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN? BECAUSE A COUPLE OF THOSE ARE SPECIFIC PRELIMINARY.
SO THAT, THAT TITLE IS CONDITIONS FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
DON'T WE THREE? YEAH, WELL, WE'LL NEED THREE AS THE WAIVERS, AS THE PRELIMINARY.
SO WE CAN EITHER SEPARATE OUT THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU THINK GO WITH, BECAUSE WE, I NEED THREE MOTIONS.
WE NEED A WAIVER, A PRELIMINARY, AND A FINAL.
SO I DON'T WAIT TO MAKE A MOTION.
SO IF YOU PRESENT THEM, WE CAN CALL OUT WHICH ONES GO.
UH, SO THREE IS PDP FOUR FT, P FOUR FTP THREE, UH, SORRY.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE DULO BLOCKS VERSUS THE LEGO BLOCKS.
RIGHT? WE, WE NEED THE, THE DUPLOS HAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S THAT SORT OF THING.
THE LEGOS ARE, HEY, HOW ARE THE WINDOWS? WHAT'S THE MATERIAL, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE? THOSE ARE ALL THE LEGOS.
MR. BOGGS, LET ME KNOW IF I GOT ANY OF THOSE.
I WILL LET, UH, ONCE MS. SING HAS 'EM BACK UP ON THE SCREEN.
UH, CAN WE DO STREET? CAN WE DO VILLAGE PARKWAY? OKAY.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LOOKING FOR YOU TO REVIEW APPLICANT.
LOOKING FOR YOU TO REVIEW WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
SO THE TWO WAIVERS, COULD WE PRESENT THOSE ALSO? SO THOSE ARE THE, OKAY.
THOSE ARE THE TWO WAIVERS THAT WE ARE LEAVING INTO THE MOTION FOR THIS EVENING.
AND THEN IF WE GO BACK TO THE CONDITION FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT'S JUST THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING.
HEY, REAL QUICK, WHAT, WHAT IS, GO BACK ON THOSE WAIVERS.
WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S RBZ STAND FOR AGAIN? REQUIRED BUILD BUILDING YOU HAD REQUIRED ALREADY ON THERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CLEAR ON THAT WAIVER.
YEAH, THE R AND RBZ IS FOR REQUIRED.
SO YOU'RE SAYING WE HAVE AN ATM MACHINE PROBLEM? YEAH.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO WHERE THE WAIVERS ARE LISTED? COPLAN PLEASE.
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YEAH.SO THAT YOU'RE SAYING THE R IS REQUIRED, RIGHT? SO THEY JUST DELETE THE REQUIRED MM-HMM.
CAN, CAN I BE A LITTLE STICKLER PARALLEL? WE, WE DON'T WANNA CHANGE THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE.
CAN WE DO CO-PLANNER RATHER THAN PARALLEL? I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY THINKS WE'RE CHANGING THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO THAT ALLOWS A, A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY IN HOW WE'RE ORIENTING BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING FUN.
TECHNICALLY, TECHNICALLY IT'S TANGENTIAL BECAUSE IT'S A CURVED ROAD, BUT WE GET WHAT YOU'RE AFTER.
BUT A TANGENT CAN BE, CAN, CAN BE ANGULAR BACK TO GEOMETRY, RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM PART OF THAT.
WE HAVE THE TWO WAIVERS AS PRESENTED HERE ON THIS SCREEN.
AND THEN WE HAVE MULTIPLE, SO WE HAVE THE ONE CONDITION ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THEN THE, WHAT IS IT, 10 ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO IF WE COULD PAUSE HERE, PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE REVIEW THIS.
LOOKING BACK TO THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION, SEEING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? MR. MYERS? UM, JUST A CLARIFICATION ON TWO.
PROVIDE SIGNED FACING VILLAGE PARKWAY, WHICH IS FINE.
IS IT INSTEAD OF ON THE SOUTH OR IN ADDITION TO ON THE SOUTH? THE STAFF HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THE PRI SINCE THE PRINCIPAL ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE ON THE SOUTH FACADE, MAYBE HAVING TWO SIGNS WOULD BE BETTER IN THAT CASE BECAUSE ONE WOULD FACE THE VILLAGE PARKWAY AND OTHER IS AT THE LOCATION JUST FOR NOT IDENTIFICATION CODE SIGNAGE.
WHAT THE CODE SIGNAGE VISIBILITY FROM VILLAGE PARKWAY AND FROM A PEDESTRIAN PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS TOTALLY FINE.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE FINE IF IT NEEDS TO BE TWO OR IF IT'S ON THE CORNER OR WHATEVER.
BUT, UM, WOULD, WOULD THE CODE ALLOW FOR THEM TO DO ONE OR TWO SIGNS WITH THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US, WITHOUT COMING BEFORE US? WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ADDITIONAL? SO I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF THE SIZE, BUT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TWO SIGNS AND, BUT WE CAN WORK ON THE SIZING AND EVERYTHING.
AND UNDER MY, MY POINT IS JUST LOCATION, WE'LL STILL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS.
WE'LL WORK IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICANT TO ENSURE ITS COMPLIANCE.
TWO BUILDING MOUNTED SIGNS WON'T BE REQUIRED.
SO JUST BASED ON WHAT IS REQUIRED, WE'LL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND ENSURE THAT THAT'S MET.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON WITH ACTIONS? OKAY.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE TWO WAIVERS.
ARE WE WE'RE PROVING JUST THE, JUST THE WAIVERS.
UH, NOW I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE, THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH A SINGLE CONDITION.
THANK YOU, MR. WE DO I HAVE A SECOND.
MR. ALEXANDER ABSTAIN THIS CALL? YES.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION NOW FOR OUR FINAL ITEM THIS EVENING.
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APPROVAL OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE CONDITIONS AS LISTED, UH, ON THE SCREEN AND AS DISCUSSED IN THE MEETING THIS EVENING.DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE? THANK YOU, MR. WE DO I HAVE A SECOND.
MR. ALEXANDER ABSTAIN THIS CALL? YES.
MR. MYERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
PLEASE PASS ALONG OUR HELLO TO THE PEN ZONES.
WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO THIS UNIQUE ITEM BEING ADDED TO THE DUBLIN AREA AND ANTICIPATE THAT IT WILL BE RECEIVED WITH AS MUCH ANTICIPATION AS THE PREVIOUS PEN ZONES.
THE PEN ZONES ARE VERY GRATEFUL, UH, FOR ALL THE COLLABORATION AND SUPPORT AND, UH, GUIDANCE, UH, FROM YOUR COMMISSION.
UH, VERY EXCITED ABOUT NEXT STAGES, UH, THAT THEY'LL BE GOING THROUGH ON THIS PROJECT.
AND WE'LL BE IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN IN THE NEAR FUTURE WITH THAT PROJECT AND ACTUALLY A FEW OTHER PROJECTS, UH, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN SOON.
ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
[COMMUNICATIONS]
IS COMMUNICATIONS.FOR THIS EVENING, WE DID ASK STAFF TO BRING BACK UP THE, UH, CALENDAR FOR THE REMAINING MEETINGS OF 2024.
NOW THAT WE ARE A FULL BODY COMMISSION.
UH, SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE, WE HAVE A FEW MORE MEETINGS THIS MONTH.
UH, COULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW, I NEGLECTED TO DO THE 2020 FIVES.
UM, I, IF YOU COULD PLEASE REVIEW THOSE.
AND THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO CALL OUT WHEN THEY WOULD NOT ALIGN WITH OUR PERSONAL SCHEDULES, OUR WORK SCHEDULES, ALL OF OUR OTHER SCHEDULES.
WE ARE LOOKING TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A FULL BODY ATTENDANCE FOR THESE MEETINGS.
I MEAN, HOW DO YOU WANNA DO THIS? I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE NEXT WEEK, SO I DUNNO IF THAT MATTERS.
UM, BUT FOR ME, EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKS OKAY.
UM, AND THEN TYPICALLY WE BRING THESE BACK TWICE A YEAR.
AND SO AS WE HAD THREE NEW COMMISSION MEMBERS, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT THIS IN FRONT OF EVERYONE.
I'LL BE OUT 14TH OF NOVEMBER UNLESS I CAN GET PLACED FIRST ON THE AGENDA IN THIS OTHER COMMUNITY WHERE I'M SPEAKING.
AS LONG AS WE STICK TO THURSDAYS, I'M GOOD.
AND THEN WE WILL BRING THESE BACK PROBABLY, UH, JANUARY WOULD BE MY GUESS FOR, I THINK IT'LL BE BEFORE THAT.
'CAUSE COUNCIL JUST APPROVED THEIR DATES.
SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO TRY TO GET THEM BACK TO YOU HERE PRETTY QUICKLY HERE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION SEES AS POTENTIAL CONFLICTS? GREAT.
YEAH, UH, THE ONLY OTHER THING WOULD BE THEN, OBVIOUSLY NOTING THE JOINT WORK SESSION ON THE 16TH.
WE'LL HAVE, UM, SOME MINIMAL MATERIALS TO GIVE TO Y'ALL BEFORE THAT.
SO THAT SHOULD HAPPEN, BE PUBLISHED SOMETIME NEXT WEEK.
SO YOU'LL HAVE THAT, UM, WITH THE AGENDA AND ALL THAT INFORMATION, THERE WILL BE DINNER BEFOREHAND.
SO THE MEETING OFFICIALLY STARTS AT SIX, BUT DINNER WILL BE HERE AT FIVE 30.
SO JUST AS A REMINDER, THE APPOINTMENT'S ONLY FOR THE MEETING PART, BUT THERE WILL BE FOOD.
AND, AND THEN I WILL BE PRESENTING JUST FOR A FEW MINUTES AT THIS PARTICULAR JOINT SESSION.
UM, AND FROM A PLANNING AND ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
SO IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU SEE AS CHALLENGES, AS OPPORTUNITIES, AS SUCCESSES FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, IF YOU COULD PLEASE SEND THOSE TO STAFF, STAFF WILL GET THOSE TO ME.
UM, SO PLEASE THINKING CAPS ON, ESPECIALLY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS, IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES, HEY, HOW COULD WE FACILITATE ONBOARDING? WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS GOOD? WHAT WAS BANNED? WHAT DO YOU WISH, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF YOU HAD A PRETTY DOOZY OF AN AGENDA YOUR FIRST MEETING.
UH, SO THOSE TYPES OF CONSIDERATIONS.
WE WILL TAKE, UH, WELL INTO CONSIDERATION FOR FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS.
BUT ALSO IF YOU SEE OPPORTUNITY, IF YOU SEE TRAINING, UM, WE DO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO ATTEND TO A PA AND THAT SORT OF THING USUALLY IN THE SPRING.
BUT MR. WE YOU'RE PROBABLY LONGEST TERM HERE
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BESIDES ME.SO YES, WE WANT EXPERIENCE ALSO, NOT JUST THE NEW ONBOARDING SIDE OF THINGS.
MR. WE, I WAS GONNA ADD, UM, JENNY, THERE'S A COUPLE WORKSHOPS COMING UP, LIKE ON THE, UH, NEXT FRIDAY IS THE CENTRAL OHIO A PA ZONING CONFERENCE.
ACTUALLY, THE SIGNUP MIGHT HAVE BEEN TODAY
AND I AGAIN, YEAH, THERE'S A LOCAL IN THE, THE OHIO, KENTUCKY, INDIANA.
SO I CAN SEND OUT SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT TOMORROW.
AND IT'S JUST, THEY'RE GREAT SESSIONS JUST TO SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING AROUND THE REGION.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION OR FROM STAFF? UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS EVENING AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AT OUR NEXT MEETING.