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GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN, BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEETING BEING HELD AT 5 5 5 5 PERIMETER DRIVE.
THE MEETING CAN ALSO BE ACCESSED VIA THE LIVESTREAM VIDEO RECORDED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENT ON COMMENTS ON CASES, THE MEETING PROCEDURE FOR EACH CASE.
THIS EVENING, WE'LL BEGIN WITH A STAFF PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
THE BOARD WILL ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF FIRST AND THEN THE APPLICANT.
THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE PODIUM.
EACH SPEAKER MUST PROVIDE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT, INCLUDING THOSE SUBMITTED BY EMAIL.
THE BOARD WILL DELIBERATE ON THE CASE PRIOR TO RENDERING A DECISION.
JUDY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. KRETZ? HERE.
[ADJOURNMENT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION]
WE NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.SHOULD, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? CAN YOU DEFINE THE REASON FOR THE EXECUTIVE SESSION? YEP.
LET'S, PATRICK, DO YOU WANNA MAKE YOUR MOTION AS THE, THE, THE FULL LANGUAGE FROM IT? I WILL, I WILL READ IT FOR YOU TO ADJOURN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE DISCUSSION OF PERSONNEL MATTERS, CONSIDERATION OF PUBLIC OFFICIAL APPOINTMENTS.
DOES THAT CONFIRM YOUR MOTION? THAT DOES CONFIRM MY MOTION.
WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? YES.
WE'LL NOW GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE HAVE, UM, RETURN FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO, TO, UH, RECONVENE AND, AND TRANSITION INTO THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS FOR THE COMING YEAR.
DO WE HAVE ANY MOTION? UH, FOR CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ELECT JOSEPH NYE AS THE CHAIR FOR A ONE YEAR TERM.
JUDY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MS. SNICK? YAY.
UM, THE, THE NEXT WE'D HAVE FOR THE VICE CHAIR.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ELECT JOEL KRETZ AS THE VICE CHAIR FOR ONE YEAR TERM.
JUDY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. MURPHY? YES.
AND THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A, A CHANGING OF SEATING ARRANGEMENTS PER THIS BECAUSE OF THAT.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE NEED TO TRANSITION INTO,
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
UM, ACCEPTED ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES.EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, WE STILL NEED TO, TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO, DO WE HAVE A MOTION REGARDING, UM, THE LAST MEETING, SPECIFICALLY A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND PROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 30TH, 2024 MEETING? SO MOVED.
REALLY, REALLY QUICKLY, THERE WERE ALSO JOINT MEETING, UH, MEETING MINUTES FOR EIGHT.
THOSE DIDN'T MAKE IT ONTO YOUR CHAIR AGENDA.
BUT IF YOU COULD ALSO, UM, APPROVE THE, THE JOINT MEETING FROM AUGUST 22ND, 24, THAT'D BE GREAT.
DO WE NEED TO DO THAT THROUGH TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS, OR CAN WE CONSOLIDATE THOSE INTO ONE? IT CAN BE CONSOLIDATED.
SO LET'S, JUST TO MAKE SURE THIS IS, IS CLEAR FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND, UM, WE'LL CHANGE THAT? AND YOU SAID IT WAS, I KNOW WE WERE THERE, BUT AUGUST 22ND.
SO CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 30TH, 2024 MEETING AND THE AUGUST 22ND, 2024 JOINT SESSION? SO MOVED.
WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MR. KRETZ? YES.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE SWEARING OF WITNESSES AND STAFF.
SO ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON ANY OF THE CASES THIS EVENING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? OKAY.
AND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF NOTE, IF YOU HAD LOOKED ONLINE, THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA TONIGHT WILL BE SLIGHTLY MODIFIED CASE 24 12, UH, 24 1 23 V DASH 7 0 3 1 GREENLAND PLACE
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WILL BE HEARD FIRST AND THEN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CASE 24 0 1 15 V, THE CONRAD RESIDENCE.WE'LL STILL BE COVERING BOTH OF THEM JUST IN A DIFFERENT ORDER THAN THEY WERE ORIGINALLY LISTED.
PRESENTATION FROM STAFF, SORRY, WE'RE GONNA START
[Case #24-123V]
WITH CASE 24 1 23 V.AGAIN, THE 7 0 3 1 GREENLAND PLACE.
AND THIS IS, UM, A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A SUNROOM TO ENCROACH INTO A REAR YARD SETBACK.
THE 0.38 ACRE SITE IS ZONED PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OAK PARK, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF GREENLAND PLACE AND OAK MEADOW DRIVE.
UH, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A NON-USE AREA VARIANCE FOR THIS PROPERTY AS STATED, UM, FOR, UM, A BRIEF REMINDER, UH, SINCE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE HAVE MET, BUT ALSO FOR OUR NEW MEMBERS, UH, HERE ON THE BOARD, UH, THE PROCESS FOR A NON-USE AREA VARIANCE IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO ALLOW, IT'S INTENDED AS AN APPLICATION FOR PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, TO ASK FOR DEVIATIONS TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, WHERE EVIDENCE OF A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY OR SPECIAL CONDITION APPLY.
UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT THROUGH THIS.
THOSE ARE LISTED IN THE CODE, AND THOSE ARE LISTED, UM, IN THE MATERIALS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO YOU VIA THE PLANNING REPORT.
UH, BUT TO SUMMARIZE THOSE, YOU'RE LOOKING REALLY FOR THOSE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTY OR BUILDING ANY POTENTIAL, UH, TOPOGRAPHY THAT LIMITS OR IMPACTS DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA OR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN THE IMPACTS ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
SO THERE IS A DECISION THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE BOARD TONIGHT OF EITHER APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.
UM, ANYTHING FOLLOWING THIS, IF IT'S APPROVED, THEY WOULD GO TO PERMITTING, WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE, THROUGH BUILDING OR THROUGH PLANNING.
UH, IF IT'S DENIED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, ADJUST THEIR PROPOSAL TO MEET WHATEVER ZONING REQUIREMENT THEY'RE ASKING FOR VARIANCE FROM.
SO THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN THE OAK PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGER PARCELS, UH, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SOME OF THE CHARACTERISTICS YOU'LL SEE HERE, HOWEVER, UM, IT'S LOCATED AT THE BEND OF GREENLAND PLACE.
UH, SO THE, THE CONFIGURATION OF IT IS UNIQUE COMPARED TO MOST OTHER PROPERTIES HERE.
UH, THE HOME DOES SIT FURTHER BACK BECAUSE IT IS DEEPER IN THE CENTER, BUT THOSE, THE TWO REAR, UH, PROPERTY LINES DO IMPACT, UM, WHAT CAN BE DONE AS YOU MOVE, UH, FURTHER AWAY FROM THE CENTER OF THAT LOT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT IS ONE OF THE LARGER LOTS HERE, AND IT DOES BACK UP TO AN OPEN SPACE RESERVE, WHICH THEN ALSO BACKS UP TO THE GLACIER RIDGE METRO PARK.
HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE REAR OF THE HOME AND THEN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S AN EXISTING PATIO HERE AT THIS HOUSE.
THEY DO HAVE, UM, PERMITS FOR IT WHEN, AND IT WAS BUILT WHEN THEY BUILT THIS HOUSE SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UH, AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE TO THE REAR OF THE HOME IS THE OPEN SPACE RESERVE, WHICH WILL NOT HAVE DEVELOPMENT AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE.
SO THIS REQUEST, UH, IS TO THE REAR YARD SETBACK FOR A SCREEN PATIO.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT STATES THAT THE REAR YARD SETBACK SHALL BE 25 FEET FOR PARK HOMES.
PARK HOMES ARE ALL THE LOTS THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THAT IS A CONSISTENT REQUIREMENT, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A 20 FOOT SETBACK.
UH, AGAIN, THE, THE PATIO EXISTS AND IT IS 20 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
AND THAT IS BECAUSE PATIOS ARE PERMITTED TO ENCROACH FIVE FEET INTO THAT REAR SETBACK.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT PATIO IS CURRENTLY THERE AND IS PERMITTED TO BE THERE.
UH, BUT THE SUNROOM ADDITION WOULD HAVE TO MEET THAT 25 FOOT SETBACK.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT FIVE FEET IS REQUESTED, BECAUSE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE, UH, THAT PATIO WITH THE SUNROOM ADDITION.
UM, SO STEPH HAS REVIEWED THIS, UH, AND HAVE FOUND THAT THE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET FOR ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
AGAIN, ALL THREE OF THESE ARE REQUIRED TO BE MET FOR A VARIANCE TO BE APPROVED.
THIS IS THE FIRST SET OF CRITERIA, UM, LARGELY BASED UPON THE UNIQUENESS OF THE CONFIGURATION OF THE LOT, UH, HOW THE HOUSE IS SET BACK.
FURTHER IN THAT, UH, EXISTING PATIO LOCATION KIND OF DICTATES WHERE THAT SUN SUNROOM CAN BE LOCATED.
UM, THE APPLICANT DID NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION OF THE HOME AS THEY PURCHASED IT LATER ON.
UH, SO THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED IN WHERE THAT PATIO WAS LOCATED AND WHERE THE HOME CURRENTLY SITS.
UH, AND AGAIN, THIS DOES BACK UP TO AN OPEN SPACE RESERVE.
SO THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT OR HOMES THAT WOULD BE LOCATED TO THE REAR THAT COULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS.
AND STEPH HAS FOUND THAT FOUR, UH, OF THE SECOND SET OF CRITERIA ARE MET.
AGAIN, TWO OF THESE, TWO OF THE FOUR HAVE TO BE MET.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS, UH, REQUEST FOR VARIANCE FOR THE FIVE FOOT ENCROACHMENT.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
AND FOR THE NEW MEMBERS, WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AGAIN AFTER PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT, IF THERE IS ANY.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT FOR THIS PROPERTY? WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM? THERE'S A, A, A SMALL BUTTON.
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YOU PRESS ON IT, IT'LL, THE MICROPHONE WILL LIGHT UP GREEN AND IT WILL AS WELL.AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE.
7 0 3 1 GREENLAND PLACE, DUBLIN, OHIO.
YOU CAN MAKE ANY STATEMENT YOU'D LIKE TO ABOUT YOUR APPLICATION AT THIS TIME.
UM, I KNOW JACK DID A GOOD JOB COVERING ALL THE, UH, INFORMATION OUT THERE.
I'M REQUESTING THE VARIANCE TO PUT A SANDROOM ON THE EXISTING PATIO.
I THINK IT'LL BE UNDUE BURDEN TO REMOVE THE PATIO AND BUILD IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR TO MEET THE NEED.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M REQUESTING FOR A, UH, FIVE FEET VARIANCE.
ANY MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANYONE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF AT THIS POINT? NO.
FOR THE NEW MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT GONNA BELIEVE THIS, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT ALL AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS THIS ONE IS, THEY'RE, SO, UM, IF WE CAN BEGIN BY OBVIOUSLY KIND OF WEIGHING IN AND HAVING OUR OWN DISCUSSION.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN AND YOU CAN, IF WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.
UM, DOES ANYBODY WANNA BEGIN THE, THE DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT? UH, SO I, UH, UH, AM IN LINE WITH, UM, THE, UH, AT LEAST THE INITIAL, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CITY WITH REGARD TO THE, UH, UH, CRITERIA.
A, UH, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THERE ARE SOME SPECIAL CONDITIONS, UH, MOSTLY IT'S CONFIGURATION, THE UNIQUE, UH, LOT SHAPE, UH, THE FACT THAT IT'S A CORNER LOT, UH, AND, UH, THAT IT, UH, IS IT, IT THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO REAR, UH, NEIGHBORS OR STRUCTURES, UH, OR OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WOULD, UH, BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION IF IT DOES LEAD INTO THE SETBACK? UM, I MEAN, ONE OF THE, THE KEY REASONS FOR THE SETBACK IS TO CREATE, CREATE A, AN OPEN, UH, NATURAL AREA, UH, OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, UM, THAT, THAT DOESN'T, UH, THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE, UH, ADVERSELY, UH, WELL, THAT MIGHT BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED.
BUT, UH, I THINK GIVEN THE, THE SURROUNDING CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE, OF THE, UH, LOT SHAPE ITSELF, UH, THAT IT WASN'T NECESS NECESSITATED BY, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST A CIRCUMSTANCE OF THE, UH, THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND HOW IT'S BEEN, UH, UH, PARTITIONED AND, UH, UH, AND, UH, THAT, UH, DUE TO NO SURROUNDING BACK STRUCTURES, THERE WOULDN'T REALLY BE ANY SORT OF, UH, UH, ISSUE IN, UH, GRANTING THAT VARIANCE.
UM, SO I AM, UH, I'M IN LINE WITH WHAT THE, UH, THE CITY RECOMMENDS AT THIS POINT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'D BE IN FAVOR OF ANY OTHER COMMENTS, DISCUSSION.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING, UH, PATRICK SAID AND THOUGHT THE CITY LAID IT OUT PRETTY CLEARLY.
THE, THE BIGGEST THRESHOLD IS USUALLY THE CRITERIA.
A AND I, I JUST FELT THAT THEY WERE VERY CLEAR.
SO THEY'RE ASKING, THEY'RE ASKING, THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR PERMISSION.
THE LOT CONFIGURATION FEELS LIKE IT SATISFIES NUMBER ONE, AND THEN THERE'S NO NEIGHBORS IN THE BACK.
SO THAT SATISFIES THREE FOR ME.
THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS, EITHER OF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY.
UM, I'M THE SAME, SAME REASON I THOUGHT THE, UM, CITY LAID IT OUT VERY WELL, AND I'D BE IN FAVOR OF IT.
SO OBVIOUSLY NEEDING TO HAVE AT LEAST THREE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE AT THAT POINT, IF, UNLESS ANYONE HAS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR EITHER THE APPLICANT OR STAFF, I THINK WE CAN, UM, PROCEED FORWARD, UM, WITH A VOTE AS SOON AS WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS, BECAUSE I KNOW WE DO HAVE THOSE THIS TIME.
AND THERE WERE, UM, SEVERAL EMAILS THAT WERE PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKETS.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO READ THEM, HOWEVER, I MEAN, THEY WERE ALL SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AS THEY WERE NEIGHBORS.
UM, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO READ 'EM, I'M HAPPY TO, BUT I, I, I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK THEY BECOME PART OF THE RECORD WHEN THEY WERE SUBMITTED.
I MEAN, THE, IN IN FAIR SUMMARY, NO ONE SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT AGAINST THE PROPOSED APP.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, IF SOMEONE WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH MAKING A MOTION AT THIS POINT, THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE NON-USE VARIANCE, UM, TO ALLOW A SUNROOM TO ENCROACH FIVE FEET INTO THE 25 FOOT SETBACK.
AND JU, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? AND IF I MAY BEFORE THAT, FOR THE NEW MEMBERS, A VOTE OF YES.
IS A VOTE TO APPROVE THE MOTION AS, UM, IS PROPOSED AND WRITTEN.
MR. NYE? YES, MR. YOUR REQUEST HAS, HAS PASSED AND THE VARIANCE IS COMPLETED AT THIS POINT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMAIN FOR THE REST IF YOU DON'T WISH TO.
[Case #24-015V]
MOVE TO THE SECOND CASE, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL FIRST CASE FOR THOSE OF YOU FOLLOWING ALONG, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER 24 0 1 5 V.[00:15:01]
UM, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW POOL, PATIO AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO ENCROACH INTO THE REAR YARD SETBACK.THE 0.27 ACRE SITE IS ZONED PLR OR PLANNED LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
IT IS IN BISHOP'S CROSSING, AND IT'S LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF MILL SPRINGS DRIVE AND BISHOP'S CROSSING CIRCLE.
UM, AS SAY THE PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED ON YOUR SCREEN, IT IS LOCATED IN THE BISHOP'S RUN, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
THIS WAS SEEN PREVIOUSLY, UH, BACK IN MAY, I BELIEVE.
MAY, UM, FOR THE SAME REQUEST THAT'S CURRENTLY BEFORE YOU.
UM, JUST AS A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THAT CONVERSATION, WE DO HAVE TWO MEMBERS THAT ARE NEW TO THAT HAVE LEFT THAT WERE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, BUT GENERALLY A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION WAS AROUND WHETHER THERE WERE ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
UM, AND THE, I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY DID NOT FIND THAT THERE WERE SPECIAL CONDITIONS PRESENT ON THE SITE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST AT THE TIME.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS DECIDED TO, UM, COME BACK AND, AND REENGAGE THE CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL TONIGHT.
UM, SO I'LL DEFINITELY LOOK TO THEM TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO.
UM, BUT I DO JUST WANNA GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN THE REQUEST ITSELF, UH, SO YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS A SIDEWALK THAT MOVES IS LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY.
UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING PATIO TO THE REAR OF THIS PROPERTY AS WELL.
UM, THIS HOME DOES SIT 25 FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE DOES VARY BETWEEN 25 AND 30 FEET, AND THAT'S JUST BASED UPON, UH, IT'S, IT'S ALTERNATING WITH EACH PROPERTY.
SO THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH BOTH HAVE 30 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACKS.
UH, THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS CONSISTENT AT 25% OF THE DEPTH OF THE LOT.
UM, SO THAT REQUIREMENT IS THE SAME FOR ALL NEIGHBORS, UH, THAT HOLD THIS BISHOP'S CROSSING, UH, DEVELOPMENT TEXT.
HERE YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE REAR YARD.
AND THIS WOULD BE FROM THE, UH, SIDEWALK TO THE SOUTH OF THE HOUSE.
SO THIS REQUEST IS FOR, UM, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, INCLUDING A SWIMMING POOL, UH, TO ENCROACH WITHIN THE REAR YARD SETBACK.
AGAIN, THE REQUIREMENT IS 25%, WHICH FOR THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE 35 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE, UH, TO ALLOW A SETBACK OF 25 FEET FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, POOLS ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO BE 10 FEET FROM THE HOME, AND THAT IS A BUILDING STANDARDS REQUIREMENT.
IT IS A ZONING REQUIREMENT, UH, BUT TYPICALLY THAT REQUEST OR THAT REQUIREMENT IS IN PLACE FOR 10 FEET FROM EGRESS, UH, IEA, AN EXIT FROM THE HOUSE, WHETHER IT BE A WINDOW OR A DOOR.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THAT RE REQUIREMENT IS IN PLACE.
THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL DOES MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS ALTER ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR POOLS, UH, WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
UH, SO SINCE THE LAST TIME THAT THIS HAS BEEN SEEN, UH, OUR STAFF IS STILL MAINTAINING THE, UH, ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAD PRIOR, UH, WHERE WE HAD FOUND THAT THE FIRST AND THIRD UH, CRITERIA ARE NOT MET, GIVEN THAT THE SITE IS RECTANGULAR AND SIMILAR IN SIZE TO SEVERAL LOTS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE DEPTH OF THE LOTS CONSISTENT WITH PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.
UH, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL RECTANGULAR LOTS WITHIN BISHOPS CROSSING.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE, THE SITE HAS A 25 FOOT FRONT BUILDING LINE SETBACK, WHICH IS LESS, UH, THAN THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.
AND THEN THE PROP, ALTHOUGH THERE IS A BIKE PATH THAT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THIS CONDITION DOES NOT IMPACT THE DEVELOPABLE AREA OF THIS REQUEST.
UM, WE DID FIND THAT THREE OF THE FOUR OF THE SECOND SET ARE MET.
UH, SO CRITERIA B WOULD BE MET BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS.
BUT WITH THAT, OUR STAFF IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS REQUEST, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS STATED IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
UH, BUT WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN UP, UH, FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SPEAK TOWARDS THEIR REQUEST AND ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THEY HAVE.
AND, AND ZACH, BEFORE WE GO TO ANY QUESTIONS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY, ESPECIALLY FOR THE TWO MEMBERS.
THIS WASN'T VOTED ON LAST TIME.
UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU SAID THERE WERE, THERE WERE, THERE WAS A MAJORITY THAT WAS NOT IN FAVOR, BUT WE DID OFFER THE APPLICANT THE ABILITY TO TABLE THE APPLICATION, COME BACK WITH A NEW BOARD TO MAKE THAT SAME REQUEST.
WE'RE JUST, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S A, IF AN APPLICATION IS BEFORE YOU, IF THE APPLICANT ALWAYS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO TABLE AN APPLICATION, ESSENTIALLY, MEANING THAT THEY DO NOT WANT AN ACTION MADE ON THAT APPLICATION THAT NIGHT, AND THAT MEANS THEY'RE ABLE TO COME FORWARD AT A FUTURE DATE, UH, TO BRING THE REQUEST FORWARD, IT COULD WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR A MODIFICATION TO THE REQUEST.
SO YES, THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED BACK IN MAY WAS A TABLING OF THIS APPLICATION.
JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF STRANGE THAT THE BOARD CHANGED
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AND WE HAD A, A, A, A NEW RETURN OF THE SAME THING.UM, AND I BELIEVE I LOOKED BEFORE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I'M STATING THIS CORRECT.
UH, ZACH, BUT THESE ARE THE EXACT SAME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CITY THAT WERE THERE LAST TIME.
THERE'S NOT BEEN A CHANGE AT ALL IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
I KNOW OVERALL, BUT NOT IN ANY OF THE CRITERIA EITHER, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
DO ANY OF THE MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT? UH, I SUPPOSE IF, UH, YOU COULD DISCUSS ANY, UM, MATERIAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE FORMER PROPOSAL AND THE NEW ONE? YES.
BASED ON WHAT WAS SUBMITTED PRIOR, AND I'LL PULL UP THE SITE PLAN AS WELL.
UM, THE REQUEST PREVIOUSLY WAS FOR THAT 10 FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE REAR YARD.
UM, THE REQUEST IS THE SAME AS I'M AWARE OF IT AS WELL.
SO IT IS 25 FEET TONIGHT AS WELL.
AND, AND ZACH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS, 'CAUSE I, IT HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THE, THE, THE 10 FOOT, UM, SETBACK FROM THE EGRESS IS, IS REQUIRED FOR A SAFETY MEASURE BECAUSE OF A POOL.
IT'S BASED ON A, A BUILDING CODE, OHIO BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THAT ZONING REQUIREMENT IS IN PLACE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF THIS TIME? DOES THE APPLICANT, OR DO YOU WANNA PRESENT, IF YOU'D SAME AS LAST TIME, IF YOU WOULD COME UP, JUST STATE YOUR, PRESS THE GREEN BUTTON, UM, TO GET THE MIC ON AND THEN JUST STATE YOUR, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AS EACH OF YOU, UH, PRESENT PLEASE.
AND THANK YOU RIGHT ON THE BASE OF THE MIC.
I KNOW IT, I ONLY DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
UH, BRIAN LORENZ, 4 1 1, 1 VILLAGE CLUB DRIVE, POWELL, OHIO.
I'M HERE WITH, UH, THE CONRADS AND I'LL LET THEM INTRODUCE.
I'LL PROBABLY TALK FIRST AND LET THEM, UM, GO AFTER ME.
COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM A NEIGHBORING HOMEOWNER, WHICH I GAVE TO ZACH AND WOULD REQUEST IF, IF, YOU KNOW, YOU'D BE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT INTO THE RECORD.
I KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT JUST CAME IN.
SO UNDERSTAND FROM THE PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, UM, WE, WE CAME BEFORE YOU BACK AND, UM, YEAH, IT WAS MAY, WASN'T IT.
AND, UH, HAD HAD SOME DISCUSSION AND, AND REALLY WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS GO AND DO A LITTLE HOMEWORK AND, UH, LOOK AT SOME OTHER PARTICULAR SITUATIONS WHERE, NOT SAYING THIS PARTICULAR MAKEUP OF THE BOARD HAD APPROVED VARIANCES FOR THINGS OF THIS NATURE, UH, BUT WE DID DO SOME INVESTIGATION AND, AND BROUGHT BACK SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WHICH YOU GUYS PROBABLY HAVE SEEN IN, IN THE, UH, PACKET IN THE RESUBMITTAL.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD STILL, UM, DISAGREE WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S, UM, UM, ASSESSMENT ON THE PRACTICALITY OF CONDITION ONE AND CONDITION THREE.
UM, WE DO FEEL THAT THIS LOT IS UNIQUE, UH, IN SOME OF THE OTHER FINDINGS OF FACTS THAT WE'VE AGREED UPON.
UH, BASED ON THE LAYOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A RANCH HOUSE, SO IT'S GOT A BIGGER FOOTPRINT, WHICH SORT OF, UH, PUTS THESE GUYS IN A UNIQUE POSITION.
UH, IT ALSO HAS A MEANDERING REAR SETBACK.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF WE WERE IN A POSITION WHERE THE LOT WIDTH OR THE LOT DEPTH, I'M SORRY, WAS 150 FEET, THEN YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ONLY BE ASKING FOR, WE'D STILL BE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE, BUT IT WOULD BE FIVE FEET LESS.
SO WE'VE TRIED TO COME UP WITH, UM, SOLUTIONS AND, AND PRESENT THINGS THAT WERE THE MINIMUM NECESSITY TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK.
OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE ENCUMBERED BY THE, UH, BIKE EASEMENT ON THE SOUTH.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT MATURE TREE BASE IN THE BACK.
SO, UM, SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY NEIGHBORING ISSUES OR, OR GIVING ANY, UM, INFERRING ANY, UM, UNFAIR ADVANTAGES.
UM, WE DID LOOK AT A COUPLE OF POOLS IN AND AROUND TOWN.
UM, THE FIRST ONE I, I PUT IN THE NOTE WAS 75 59 BARRISTER DRIVE AND STAFF HAD LET US KNOW THAT THAT WAS COMPLIANT, YOU KNOW, AT AT SITE.
IT'S HARD TO SEE THESE THINGS IN REAL LIFE WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE PLA.
UH, AND THAT LOOKED LIKE THAT, THAT HAS MET IN, IN AND MET THE, THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, 80 38 SAGE STONE AVENUE, WHICH IS ALSO CAREWAY AVENUE, WHERE IT'S RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION.
WE DID PUT IN A REQUEST ON THAT TO GET FEEDBACK, AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK STAFF WAS ABLE TO FIND ANY RECORD OF A POOL.
UM, IT'S NOT IN BISHOP'S RUN, BUT IT'S IN BISHOP'S CROSSING, OR DO I HAVE THAT BACKWARDS? BACKWARDS? I GOT IT BACKWARDS.
IT'S THE SAME HOA, IT'S A DIFFERENT, UM, SUBDIVISION, BUT IT'S GOT THE SAME HOA STANDARDS AND WHATNOT,
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AND THAT POOL DOESN'T APPEAR TO, TO MEET THE SETBACK CRITERIA.AND THEN THE OTHER ONE I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS A VARIANCE THAT I ACTUALLY PRESENTED BACK IN 21, UH, IN A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN ON OLD PROS COURT, UH, AND SIMILAR SITUATION, BUT THE LOT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE IRREGULAR, UH, AND AGAIN, DIFFERENT MAKEUP OF THE BOARD.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS WERE ON THERE OR NOT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID RECEIVE A VARIANCE FOR THAT FROM A REAR YARD SETBACK.
WE'VE, WE MOVED THAT, THAT PULLBACK AND, AND MODIFIED THE WIDTH.
AND I WILL SAY TOO, UM, WE ALSO GOT A VARIANCE IN AN, AN EXEMPTION FROM THAT 10 FOOT, UM, BUILDING, UM, SITUATION, WHICH, UH, SO IT WAS ESSENTIALLY TWO VARIANCES.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE BOARD TO COME UP WITH A, A SOLUTION THAT THAT WORKED IN THAT INSTANCE.
UM, AND THAT WAS A UNIQUE, UM, SITUATION AS WELL.
SO, UM, THE ONE THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY MADE THE SUBMISSION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ASKING FOR THE POOL TO BE FURTHER OUT.
SO THESE GUYS HAVE MADE SOME CONTEST CONCESSIONS AS WELL, TRYING TO BE, UM, C YOU KNOW, COME BACK AS CLOSE AS THEY COULD TO THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE.
UM, AND, AND I BELIEVE YOU EVEN L LESSENED THE WIDTH OF THE POOL A LITTLE BIT TO GET CLOSER TO COMPLIANCE.
SO THEY ARE TRYING TO WORK TO PUT TOGETHER, UH, SOMETHING THAT IS CLOSE TO THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE, UH, ALBEIT THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES ON THE LOT.
AND SO, UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, MR. AND MRS. CONRAD, I THINK WANT TO ADDRESS YOU.
SO I'LL JUST STEP OVER HERE IF THAT'S OKAY.
SAME THING, JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND, UH, JIM AND KEN CONRAD.
7 6 1 8 MILL SPRINGS DRIVE, DUBLIN, OHIO.
UM, I, I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE THAN WHAT, WHAT BRIAN DISCLOSED.
UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS, UH, IN THE RESEARCH THAT WE DID, UM, MOST DEVELOPMENTS ARE A FOOTAGE BASE ON THE REAR SETBACK WAS OURS IS A PERCENTAGE WHICH TAKES UP A LARGER TRUNK OR A LARGER CHUNK OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND BEING A SMALL LOT, UM, TO ME SEEMS QUITE EXCESSIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING THE PERCENTAGE VERSUS THE FOOTAGE, UM, THERE IS A 20 FOOT NO BUILD ZONE, UM, WHICH WE ARE ADHERING TO.
UM, JUST, IT'S JUST THE 10 FEET ON THE REAR SETBACK THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
SO, DIDN'T WANT TO, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING TOO? I DIDN'T WANNA CUT YOU OFF IF YOU DID.
DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING ELSE? NO, I'M FINE.
DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS AT THIS TIME? PLEASE GO RIGHT AHEAD.
SO YOU MENTIONED, UM, IT BEING A RANCH.
UH, SO THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR LAYOUT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
DO YOU KNOW THE RATIO IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF RANCHES TO MULTI-STORY HOUSES? IS IT EVEN UNIQUE? DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBERS? UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S THREE IN OUR, IN OUR ENTIRE HOA THANKS.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ON THE LAST PART, YOU WERE SAYING IT ON WHAT IS, WHAT IS SPECIFICALLY DIFFERENT ABOUT THE APPLICATION NOW VERSUS IN MAY, IF ANYTHING IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM ZACH AND READING THE MATERIALS WAS THAT THERE WERE NO CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION, BUT I GOT, I GOT THE SENSE FROM, FROM YOU THAT THERE IS A CHANGE.
SO CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT? UH, I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION THERE.
WHEN WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION.
WE GAVE HIM, UH, FOUR ADDITIONAL FEET OUT OF THE SETBACK.
UM, THIS WAS BEFORE THE MAY MEETING, SO FROM THE MAY MEETING TO NOW, NOTHING IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT POINT.
THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD WRITTEN DOWN HERE.
AND, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION REQUESTED 13 FEET AND THEN THE MODIFIED ONE 10 AND A HALF FEET IS THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE IN THE LETTER.
AND I JUST LOOKED AT THE PLAT.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S 104 HOUSES IN THAT, UH, PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK THEM AGAIN AFTER WE HAVE A DISCUSSION.
IF ANYBODY, AND AT THIS POINT, YOU GUYS CAN SIT DOWN FOR NOW, WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS, UM, WE CAN ASK ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, THE STAFF AND ALSO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
ZACH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UM, FOR YOU IN LOOKING AT THIS ONE, CAN YOU PULL UP THE FIRST, UM, I THINK IT'S THE DUB DISCOVERY, UH, UH, BUT, BUT WITHOUT THE PICTURE AND THEN ZOOM OUT IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, WHERE IT SHOWS ALL THE, THE, THE LINES AROUND IT.
I THINK IT WAS THE FIRST, UM, GRAPHIC YOU PUT UP, BUT A BUT A ZOOMED OUT VERSION OF THAT.
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I HAVE NOT CHECKED THE NUMBER OF RANCH HOMES THERE, SO I I CAN'T WAIT ON THAT.DID, IF THERE'S THREE IN THAT, UM, THAT SUBDIVISION, DOES THAT, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE, THE CITY IMPACT THAT BEING A UNIQUE, UH, PROPERTY COMPARED TO OTHERS? SO THE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE, AND I'M SPEAKING TOWARDS NUMBER ONE, IS THAT THERE ARE SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE PROPERTY OR THE STRUCTURE.
UM, SO IN THIS INSTANCE, WE DID NOT AS STAFF, WE DID NOT FIND THAT AS A, SOMETHING THAT WARRANTED A VARIANCE TO THE REAR SETBACK AS A SPECIAL CONDITION.
UM, BECAUSE IT IS LARGELY THE SAME IN TERMS OF WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT OTHER BUILDINGS.
AND THOSE WOULD BE TWO STORY BUILDINGS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT THAT THERE'S VERY, VERY, VERY FEW, UH, RANCH HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, BUT THE BUILD OUT OF IT IS GENERALLY PRETTY SIMILAR WITH A LOT OF THE TWO STORY HOMES.
SO WE DID NOT VIEW THAT AS A SPECIAL CONDITION FOR THE SITE.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS OF THIS, THIS PROJECT.
THANKS THAT, UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS, DISCUSSION TO, TO START WITH? I'M, I'M HAPPY TO DO TO SOMEBODY ELSE DOESN'T WANT TO, BUT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO SO.
YEAH, SO, UM, APPRECIATE THE REFRESHER ON THE CASE FROM MAY.
I AM IN THE SAME SPOT I WAS IN MAY.
AND SO JUST TO KIND OF RE-SUMMARIZE FOR THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS, UM, I AGREE WITH THE CITY ON CRITERIA A NUMBER TWO ON CRITERIA A.
NUMBER THREE, I COULD RATIONALIZE, UM, THE CRITERIA BEING MET IN THAT THERE IS THAT WE TALKED LAST, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT THICK TREE LINE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE, UH, THE HOUSE BEHIND IT.
AND THEN THERE'S THE SIDEWALK PATH IN BETWEEN THE OTHER HOUSE.
SO, AND THEN I AGREED THAT TWO OF THE FOUR CRITERIA B HAD PASSED.
AND SO BACK IN MAY WHERE I WAS HUNG UP AND, UM, OPEN TO BEING, UH, OPEN TO THE OTHER BOARD MEMBER'S VIEW AND STILL AM IS ON CRITERIA A NUMBER ONE ABOUT THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
AND SO BACK IN MAY, I HAD ASKED, UM, ZACH TO ELABORATE ON THE SPECIAL CONDITION.
I READ THE MEETING, REREAD THE READING MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY DOESN'T FEEL, DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A SPECIAL CONDITION.
UM, ZACH DICK ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT'S UNIQUE THOUGH, AND WE WENT ON IN THE DISCUSSION AND, UH, MR. NYE HAD SAID, DID NOT FIND IT SPECIAL, UM, AND DETER AND THAT BELIEVES THE DEFINITION OF SPECIAL IS UNIQUE.
AND SO THERE'S KI IT KIND OF CONTRADICTS THERE WHERE ZACH'S SAYING IT'S UNIQUE.
WE'VE GOT AT LEAST ONE BOARD MEMBER SAYING, UM, IT HAS TO BE UNIQUE TO BE A SPECIAL CONDITION.
I'M HONESTLY STILL INDECISIVE ON CRITERIA A NUMBER ONE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M MOST INTERESTED IN HEARING OTHERS' THOUGHTS.
AND, AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY TO THE TWO, UH, NEW MEMBERS, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS HUNG UP AS WELL.
I, I'M NOT ABLE TO GET THERE ON A ONE THAT THIS IS SPECIAL.
WHY I ASKED ZACH TO ZOOM THIS OUT.
PART OF MINE IS, THAT'S WHY I ASK ABOUT THE, UH, BEING A RANCH IN, IN NOTE THAT IT SAYS IT'S, IT'S UNIQUE TO THIS PROPERTY, SPECIAL TO THIS PROPERTY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THESE LOTS, AND THIS IS WHY I SAID IN MAY THEY LOOK, I HATE TO USE THE PHRASE COOKIE CUTTER, BUT THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME TO ME.
IN MY EXPERIENCE ON THE BOARD WHEN WE FOUND A A LOT TO BE UNIQUE, UM, IT IS ALL OF THE HOUSES LOOK LIKE THIS AND THIS ONE IS A TRIANGLE AND THEY HAVE NO SPACE BEHIND THEM.
THIS, TO ME, LOOKS THE SAME AS PRETTY MUCH ALL THE OTHER ONES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S MY STRUGGLE TO GET THERE.
I AGREE THAT WITH WHAT, WITH JOEL'S ANALYSIS, THAT DEFINITELY AGREE WITH CRITERIA B, DEFINITELY AGREE WITH A TWO, A THREE.
I, I MAY NOT BE AS FAR AS JOEL'S GETTING THERE, BUT I THINK I COULD, YOU KNOW, I COULD, I COULD FIND A WAY TO GET THERE IN MY HEAD, BUT WITH A ONE I, I JUST CAN'T AT THIS POINT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS? JUST A QUESTION IS ON A ONE IS, DOES IT REALLY COME DOWN TO YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING UNIQUE CAUSING THE NEED FOR THE VARIANCE? 'CAUSE I HEAR THEM ON THE, UM, WHETHER IT'S THREE OR 20, EITHER WAY A MAJORITY OF THE HOUSE IS IN THE, IN THE AREA OR NOT A RANCH.
WHAT I, WHAT IF, IF YOU TO, TO MY READING OF IT, OKAY, THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST, WHICH ARE PECULIAR TO THE LAND OR STRUCTURE.
UM, AND WHICH ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO OTHER LANDS OR STRUCTURES IN THE
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SAME ZONING DISTRICT.SO IT SAYS NOT APPLICABLE TO OTHER ONES.
SO IF YOU TELL ME THERE'S THREE, IT SAYS THAT IT IS APPLICABLE TO OTHER ONES.
YOU KNOW, SO, AND IT SAYS THAT'S WHY WHEREBY THE LITERAL ENFORCEMENT, SO I'M KIND OF READING IT AS WRITTEN.
UM, I, I THINK I'M IN THE SAME BOAT WHERE ONE, UM, IS WHERE I'M HAVING THE MOST ISSUES.
UM, I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF I, I WOULD READ THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES AS, YOU KNOW, A UNIQUE UNICORN, I GUESS SO TO SAY.
I WOULD SAY MAYBE IT'S A DISTINGUISHING CONDITION OR CIRCUMSTANCE.
UM, UM, BUT, AND THE ONLY THING I THINK THAT WOULD GET ME PAST IT IS, IS CONSIDERING THE RANCH.
BUT, UM, I I, I WENT BACK AND I READ YOUR GUYS' DISCUSSION AND, UM, I AM HAVING TROUBLE GETTING, GETTING PAST THAT FIRST CONDITION.
I THINK IT, IT'S KINDA GO BACK TO WHAT JOEL SAID.
I DON'T, I GUESS I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THERE COULDN'T BE TWO RANCHES IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULDN'T HAVE IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY IT BEING, MAYBE I'M NOT ARTICULATING WELL, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS BEING A RANCH REQUIRES THIS ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, UH, SPACE IN THE, IN THE VARIANCE.
SO I DON'T READ IT TO SAY, IF YOU HAVE A BLUE DOOR AND SOMEBODY ELSE DOESN'T, THAT YOU GET IT BECAUSE IT'S UNIQUE.
AND THAT UNIQUENESS IS WHAT REQUIRES YOU TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS.
I DO WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE WE GET INTO DELIBERATION, UM, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE US WITH A PUBLIC COMMENT IF HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT READ INTO THE RECORD.
UM, NOT TO STOP DIALOGUE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE NO, NO, I, I HAD THAT ON THERE AND I NOTED THAT I, I THINK, ALTHOUGH IT MAY NOT BE THE, THE EXACT WAY TO DO IT, I THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT IT, WE SHOULD HEAR IT AND CONSIDER IT.
BUT I'D LIKE US AFTER WE FINISH OUR DELIBERATE, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.
UH, YEAH, I, I WOULD, UM, REINFORCE WHAT'S BEEN STATED SO FAR.
UM, THERE MIGHT BE A, UH, A A UNIQUE, UM, UH, ASPECT TO THE, THE RANCH STYLE.
UM, BUT I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A CLOSER NEXUS BETWEEN, UH, THAT AND THE, AND THE PRACTICALITY, THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES OF, UH, UH, INSTALLING THE, THE, THE POOL AND THE, UH, THE OTHER STRUCTURE ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, I, I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR ON WHAT THAT MIGHT BE, WHAT THE, UH, THE CONNECTION WOULD BE THERE BETWEEN THAT STYLE AND, UH, UH, THE, THE INSTALLATION OF THE, OF THE, UH, UH, THE ADDITIONS, THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY IF WHEN, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE MORE.
BUT IF THERE IS ANY, WE DO KNOW THERE IS PUBLIC COMMENT, IF YOU'D GO AHEAD AND JUST READ THAT FOR US, PLEASE, ZACH, I'D BE HAPPY TO.
UH, SO THIS IS FROM, I HOPE I'M GETTING THIS RIGHT, JESSICA HECTOR AT 7 6 2 6 MILL SPRING DRIVE.
UH, WRITES, UH, THIS NOTE IS IN REFERENCE TO THE ZONING REQUESTS FOR A POOL FROM MY NEIGHBORS, THE CONRADS.
UH, I WANT TO SHARE MY APPROVAL AND SUPPORT AS THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.
I HAVE ZERO CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AND WELCOME THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
JIM AND KENDRA ARE WONDERFUL HOMEOWNERS AND NEIGHBOR AND NEIGHBORS.
UH, THEIR YARD AND PROPERTY ARE ALWAYS IN PERFECT CONDITION, AND I WOULD EXPECT THE SAME ONCE THEY ADD THEIR POOL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS LETTER OF SUPPORT.
UH, IS THAT NEIGHBOR, THE NORTH PROPERTY, THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY, OR, UH, WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED? OKAY.
DIRECTLY ABOVE IN THE PICTURE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
JUST WANNA TO BE CLEAR, I THINK.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT? UM, PARTLY FOR THE APPLICANT WHO IS HERE, KNOWS IT PARTLY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, IT, IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S AT LEAST FOUR VOTES AGAINST THIS.
SO, UH, JUST SO THE APPLICANT KNOWS THE OPTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS POINT, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VOTE AND YOU GET DENIED, ZACH, THERE IS A YEAR WAITING PERIOD.
IS THAT CORRECT? BEFORE IT CAN BE, UM, REAPPLIED TO, UM, CERTAINLY IF THERE WAS D ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AT THAT TIME OR DIFFERENT INFORMATION, UM, IT COULD BE REVIEWED.
BUT IF, UH, IF NOT, IF WE PROCEED AND IT, AND IT DOES FAIL AS IT, UH, APPEARS THAT IT'S GOING TO, YOU'D HAVE THAT DELAY.
THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE, I SUPPOSE, AGAIN, TO REQUEST THAT WE VOTE TO TABLE IT.
UM, I, I WOULD JUST STATE IT APPEARS FROM, UM, THE COMMENTS OF THE BOARD, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING PRETTY SIGNIFICANT THAT YOU BELIEVE YOU'D FIND THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'D BE MUCH BENEFIT TO DOING THAT.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO, YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK UP HERE TO TALK, BUT IF YOU WANT US TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE, WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, NO, I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I THINK THE HOMEOWNERS ARE READY TO GET A VOTE.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD AS WELL, AND I THINK WE PRESENTED IT BACK AT, WHEN WE DID THE APPLICATION, THE HOA DID PROVIDE A, A LETTER OF APPROVAL FOR THEM FOR THIS AS WELL.
SO, UM, SORRY, I DIDN'T RE-UPLOAD ONE, BUT I'M SURE IT'S IN THE RECORD.
SO, AND AGAIN, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT WAS
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PROVIDED TO US IN OUR MATERIALS AND WE HAVE THAT.WELL, SO AT THIS POINT, UM, MAKE SURE I HAVE THE CORRECT ONES IN THIS.
SO WE WOULD, UM, BE, I'M GONNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW IT EXACTLY AS IN HERE.
IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO DISAPPROVE A NON-USE AREA VARIANCE TO THE BISHOP'S CROSSING DEVELOPMENT TEXTS, YARDS AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO ALLOW A POOL PATIO FENCE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO ENCROACH APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET INTO THEIR REAR YARD SETBACK.
MR. CHAIR, IS IT POSSIBLE TO REFERENCE THIS IN THE AFFIRMATIVE SUCH THAT A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A NO VOTE WOULD NOT APPROVE THE MOTION? THERE IS, AND THAT'S WHY I, I LOOKED AT ZACH FIRST BECAUSE I PREFER TO DO IT THAT WAY, BUT IN MY AGENDA, IT'S, IT'S WRITTEN THE OPPOSITE.
SO THERE'S NO NO REASON WE CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY.
SO I WANNA EXPLAIN JUST TO THE NEW MEMBERS WHO DO THIS.
SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE IT, WHICH WOULD MEAN TO GRANT THEIR REQUEST, AND IF YOU WERE NOT IN FAVOR THAT YOU WOULD VOTE NO TO THAT MOTION.
IT'S JUST TO KEEP EVERYTHING BEING DONE IN THE SAME WAY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU GUYS.
SO INSTEAD OF A MOTION TO DISAPPROVE KIND OF, INSTEAD OF A DOUBLE NEGATIVE, YOU'RE ASKING A MOTION TO APPROVE.
AND IF YOU WERE AGAINST GRANTING THIS, YOU WOULD VOTE NO.
IF YOU WERE FOR IT, YOU'D VOTE YES.
SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA DO THAT AGAIN AND JUST CHANGE THIS SLIGHTLY.
IT'D BE A MOTION TO APPROVE A NON-USE AREA VARIANCE TO THE BISHOP'S CROSSING DEVELOPMENT TEXT YARDS AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO ALLOW POOL PATIO FENCE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO ENCROACH APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET INTO THE REAR YARD SETBACK.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT? UH, SO MOVED.
JUDY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. ANDERSON? NAY.
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POINT, ZACH, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMUNICATION? I, IT SAYS WE HAVE SOME STAFF REPORTS.SO ONE, THERE MUST BE A LOT IF YOU HAVE TO SIT DOWN FOR THEM.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL PREPARE OURSELVES.
PREPARE YOURSELVES,
UM, THE, THE FIRST COMMUNICATION ITEM IS WE HAVE, UM, YEARLY BI-YEARLY TRAININGS.
ONE OF 'EM IS, THERE'S A FRAUD TRAINING THAT IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED.
UM, THE DEADLINE ON THAT IS ACTUALLY THE 28TH.
SO IN TWO DAYS, UM, IT'S ABOUT 10 TO 15 MINUTES.
SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE TO FIND THAT, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME TOMORROW.
UM, IT'S, FOR THOSE THAT ARE NEWER, THERE'S CORNERSTONE TRAINING.
SO IT SHOULD BE ON CORNERSTONE AND IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED AND ON YOUR FRONT PAGE.
SO, UM, WE REALLY NEED TO GET THAT DONE BY THE 28TH.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS VERY TIME SENSITIVE.
SO, UM, PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES OR QUESTIONS WITH THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY COMMUNICATION ITEM OUTSIDE OF THE, THE STAFF REPORTS.
SO, UM, THIS IS MORE, I WANNA HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH EVERYONE ABOUT THIS.
UM, WE'VE BEEN BY, WE, OUR PLANNING STAFF IN CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY ON THIS.
UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, STAFF REPORTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT, UH, AND WHAT WE PROVIDE AND WE PROVIDE SUMMARIES AND THAT IS A CAPTURE OF WHAT WE DO AS PLANNING STAFF.
BUT, UM, IT'S NOT JUST IMPORTANT TO BZA, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO ALL THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE, WE DO.
BUT THAT'S REALLY A PART OF, UM, A LARGER STRATEGY THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
UM, SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS IS, IS IT, IT STRIVES FROM OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES MORE TRANSPARENT AND PREDICTABLE.
UM, NOW BZA IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT IS MORE, MORE ONE WAY THAT'S, IT'S VERY LINEAR.
UM, BUT WITH A LOT OF OUR OTHER BOARDS, THERE ARE A LOT OF EXTRA STEPS THAT TAKE PLACE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BOTH WITH OUR STAFF BUT ALSO WITH, WITH APPLICANTS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, UM, OF HOW DO WE MAKE THE, THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FROM START TO END, UH, MORE, MORE, WELL MAYBE REASONABLE IS ONE WORD, BUT UM, MORE PREDICTABLE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WE'VE HAD STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENTS, WE'VE HAD FOCUS GROUPS, UM, WITH PEOPLE BIG AND SMALL WHO HAVE DONE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY.
UM, SOME THAT HAVE COME FORWARD FOR VARIANCES AND THOSE PROCESSES AS WELL OF WHAT CAN WE DO TO STREAMLINE THIS PROCESS BETTER.
UM, AND PART OF THAT DISCUSSION LEADS TO THE ACTUAL MEETINGS THEMSELVES.
'CAUSE THAT IS A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY YOU ALL SAW A, UH, A RB PROJECT THAT, THAT WAS A PART OF THEIR PROCESS WAS ALTHOUGH A RB AND THEIR PURVIEW OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DOESN'T,
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UM, TYPICALLY COME BEFORE BZA, UM, IT WAS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THAT PROCESS 'CAUSE THEY WERE ASKING FOR VARIANCES FROM SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS.UM, SO, YOU KNOW, BZA REALLY PLAYS AN IMPORTANT PART IN THIS, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE ADMINISTERING OF DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
UM, SO WE'VE REALLY LOOKED AT HOW DO WE MAKE THINGS MORE EFFICIENT? HOW DO WE MAKE IT MORE PREDICTABLE FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED? UM, AND WE HAD SENT OUT A SURVEY TO OUR CITY COUNCIL AND OUR PLANNING COMMISSION AND A RB, UM, AGAIN, THOSE ARE DIFFERENT BEASTS.
UM, BUT JUST ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CLARITY OF INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED AT EACH STEP.
LIKE WHAT IS WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING CLEAR? UM, IS THERE MORE INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE FROM US? WHAT WOULD HELP YOU ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WOULD HELP YOU MAKE A DECISION, UM, EASIER? SO OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE EASY.
WE'D LOVE FOR IT TO BE, BUT THAT'S, UM, JUST NOT FEASIBLE ALL THE TIME.
AND THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, ARE, UM, APPROPRIATE, WHETHER THEY ARE HELPFUL.
UM, SO THERE'S BEEN DIALOGUE ON THAT AS WELL.
BUT CURRENTLY WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY, I'D SAY HALF TO 75% THROUGH THIS OF, YOU KNOW, MAKING A GAME PLAN AND MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
SO A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS WE JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TWO FIRST TIME MEMBERS, SO MAYBE THIS ISN'T AS APPLICABLE AT THE MOMENT, BUT JUST BASED ON WHAT YOU HAD AND THE MATERIALS THAT YOU'RE GIVEN, ARE THERE THINGS THAT YOU THINK ARE WORKING THAT ARE BENEFICIAL TO YOU AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THIS MEETING? UM, ARE THERE THINGS THAT MAYBE YOU WANNA SEE MORE OF? ARE THERE THINGS THAT MAYBE DON'T HELP YOU AT ALL IN YOUR DISCUSSION? IT REALLY IS AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION BECAUSE WE WANT TO TAKE THIS FEEDBACK, WE WANNA INCORPORATE IT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, JOE, I KNOW YOU'VE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PAST, UM, OF, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, REFERENCE CASES, WHICH THOSE HAVE, UM, SPORADICALLY BEEN INCORPORATED INTO SOME CASES, RIGHT? UH, JUST THINGS THAT MAKE YOUR DECISION IN LIFE'S EASIER.
SO I JUST WANNA OPEN IT UP TO YOU ALL OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THINGS SPECIFIC TO TO PLANNING REPORTS IN THE PACKET MATERIALS WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO SEE OR MAYBE NOT SEE AS MUCH.
WELL, I THINK YOU GUYS DO A REALLY GOOD JOB.
SO IT'S NOT TO, NOT TO TELL YOU HOW AWESOME YOU GUYS ARE, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY USER FRIENDLY FOR, FROM WHEN I, THINKING BACK TO WHEN I STARTED TO THE APPLICANTS BEING HERE, IT, IT REALLY LAYS OUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AND HOW YOU DO IT.
AND I THINK THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD ANALYSIS THERE THAT'S HELPFUL.
UH, UM, YEAH, YES, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M GONNA SAY 'CAUSE SAID EVERY TIME, BUT WHAT THEY DID TONIGHT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, FOR THE CITY.
IF WE WANT A REAR YARD SETBACK FOR A POOL, HERE'S EIGHT TIMES THAT CAME BEFORE THE BOARD AND HERE ARE THE FOUR TIMES YOU GRANTED IT.
I THINK IT'S MY ATTORNEY BRAIN SAYING, IT'S KIND OF PRECEDENT, HERE'S WHAT THE OTHER BOARDS DID.
I DON'T LOVE THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT AN INSULT TO THE TWO NEW PEOPLE, BUT I DON'T LOVE THE FACT THAT THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARD CHANGES AND THEN YOU CAN JUST COME BACK AND IT'S DIFFERENT.
I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING A CODE IN THE CITY IS TO TRY TO HAVE SOME UNIFORMITY ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND I THINK IF I WAS AN APPLICANT, I, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A MUCH BIGGER PROJECT, BUT IF THERE WAS A WAY TO SEARCH, YOU KNOW, POOLS, SETBACKS, REQUESTS, AND I CAN GO BACK AND PULL, PULL, PULL AND PULL, SEND SOMETHING THERE, PULL ALL OF THEM AND SEE AND SAY, OH GOSH, THERE'S BEEN 50 REQUESTS AND ALL 50 ARE DENIED.
I THINK IT WOULD SAVE THE APPLICANT THE TIME AND MONEY, IT WOULD SAVE THE CITY TIME AND MONEY AND IT WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE OUR JOBS EASIER.
NOT BY ANY MEANS SAYING OUR JOBS DIFFICULT WITH THE WAY YOU GUYS HANDED TO US, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE HELPFUL AS THEY GAVE IT TO US TONIGHT TO SAY, HERE'S OTHER ONES.
AND I WAS, I DIDN'T, WASN'T NOT GOING TO ANSWER THEM, BUT I WAS ON THE BOARD DURING THAT ONE VARIANCE.
AND IT'S THE UNIQUENESS AND DIFFERENCES THAT I THINK ARE HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU FIRST START ON THE BOARD TO SAY, WHAT WERE THEY DOING BEFORE AND WHY DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BECAUSE I REMEMBER MY FIRST MEETING THEY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW WHERE THIS IS JUST LIKE THE SMITH RESIDENCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SMITH RESIDENCE IS OR WHAT THEY DID WITH IT, BUT IF YOU, IF IT WOULD'VE BEEN IN MY PACKET, NOT THAT IT WAS ANYTHING THAT YOU WEREN'T EVEN THE PERSON THAT SIGNED BUT WOULD'VE BEEN IN THERE, BUT IF I COULD HAVE SEEN HERE'S THREE TIMES IT'S COME BEFORE THE BOARD BEFORE OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS, I THINK THAT WOULD'VE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL.
SO I KNOW I SAY THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHY, AND I KNOW IT'S A MAJOR UNDERTAKING, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE UNBELIEVABLY HELPFUL TO EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THE PROCESS.
AND I THINK THAT THE WHY IS THE KEY PART, BECAUSE YOU TALK ABOUT WANTING TO MAKE IT MORE PREDICTABLE.
IT, IT WOULD HELP APPLICANTS UNDERSTAND MORE COMING INTO, BECAUSE I THINK INNOCENTLY PEOPLE WILL SEE IN THE POOL EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, I, SOMEONE ELSE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A POOL.
THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN AND THEY WANT THEIR POOL.
SO IT, IT'S, THERE'S SOME EMOTION TO IT AND NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THIS CASE IN PARTICULAR, BUT I THINK THE WHY IS IMPORTANT AND WHAT'S HARD IF
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I PUT MYSELF IN YOUR SHOES IS YOU DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHICH CASE OR HOUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BRING UP.BUT, SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO PLAN FOR AN INFINITE NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIES, BUT SOMETHING AS, UM, COMMON IN THE CITY AS A POOL OR A FENCE, THERE'S PROBABLY AT LEAST FIVE CASES THAT WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF PROVE THE NEGATIVE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D ADD, UM, FOR ME IS SOMETIMES I ALSO AGREE THAT DO A GREAT JOB.
I THINK ONE THING THAT WOULD BE AN ENHANCEMENT WOULD BE PARTICULARLY WHEN THE CITY STAFF BELIEVES THE CRITERIA ARE NOT MET FOR GIVING CRITERION, I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD BENEFIT FROM, UM, ELABORATING MORE IN THE PACKET.
LIKE I READ EVERY WORD OF THE PACKET, I TAKE IT REAL SERIOUS AND SOMETIMES, UM, IT, I JUST THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE VERSUS LESS WOULD BENEFIT ME.
NOW OTHER FOUR MEMBERS MIGHT FEEL DIFFERENT, EVERYONE'S GOT DIFFERENT STYLES, BUT, UM, IT MIGHT SAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
YOU MEAN THE RIGHT HAND COLUMN WHERE IT SAYS REASON? YEAH, I THINK THERE'S NOT, NOT TO BE INSULT, BUT I DO SEE THAT SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE, I SEE HOW THEY GOT THERE, BUT IT'S NOT, I HAVE TO KIND OF DRAW THE NEXUS BETWEEN IT.
I, I THINK SOMETHING THAT JOEL SAID IS REALLY HELPFUL THAT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT AND MAYBE IT'S ALLOWED TO BE PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ON THE SPOT, BUT WHEN THEY DO BRING UP, WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THIS ONE, THEY SAID, WELL, SOMEBODY DOWN THE STREET AND AROUND THE CORNER HAS A POOL LIKE THAT WHERE THEY APPROVED NOW HOW YOU WOULD POSSIBLY KNOW THE MILLIONS OF PROPERTIES THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY CONSIDER.
CAN YOU, IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS SAY, DO YOU BELIEVE THERE'S OTHER, OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE SIMILAR THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED? NOT THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE BANNED FROM BRINGING ANYTHING ELSE, BUT JUST ASK THEM SO THAT IT COULD BE IN THE MATERIALS BECAUSE MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS SEE THAT WOULD MAKE YOU APPROVE IT OR, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS IT GOES, LIKE WITH, WITH OAK PARK, I MEAN IT, THERE'S A CHANGE THAT'S, THAT'S HAPPENING CITYWIDE BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS BROUGHT HERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, IS IT POSSIBLE TO ASK THEM THAT UPFRONT? DO THEY BELIEVE, YEAH.
UM, THOSE ARE ALL GREAT POINTS AND I DON'T WANNA OBVIOUSLY STOP ANY CONVERSATION, BUT, UM, WE, SO ALL APPLICANTS ARE REQUIRED TO MEET WITH US PRIOR TO SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION.
SOMETIMES THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT WE REQUIRE THEM TO MEET OR TALK WITH US BEFORE THEY EVEN ATTEND A MEETING.
SO, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WHAT WE'RE BRINGING BEFORE YOU ARE CASES THAT WE HAVE VETTED AND HAVE WORKED WITH AN APPLICANT TO GET TO THE POINT THAT THEY'RE AT HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS NOT JUST TO, WE GOT AN APPLICATION, HAVE FUN.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE GOAL OF THIS.
SO I, AND I THINK BZA AND BZA IS A LITTLE MORE UNIQUE BECAUSE I THINK THE TIMELINE TO ACTUALLY GET BEFORE A MEETING IS A LOT SHORTER.
BUT I THINK THE QUESTIONS, I MEAN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OF, YOU KNOW, UM, X DID THIS DOWN THE STREET, WHY CAN'T I DO THIS? THAT'S SOMETHING WE GET IN PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT'S SOMETHING WE GET IN A RB AS WELL.
SO I, I THINK FROM A STAFF AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF STAFF, IT'S OUR JOB TO SAY THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS WE UNDERSTAND AND, AND WE HEAR YOU OUT ON THIS.
WE CAN IDENTIFY, YES, WE'VE APPROVED THESE VARIANCES, BUT HERE ARE THE REASONS WHY WE'VE DONE THAT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S, THERE HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN SEVERAL POTENTIAL APPLICATIONS THAT WE MEET WITH THAT ARE ABLE TO ESSENTIALLY DISSOLVE THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
SO I, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE DO GET CALLS EVERY MONTH.
I KNOW WE HAVEN'T HAD A MEETING IN A WHILE, BUT WE DO GET CALLS EVERY MONTH ABOUT POTENTIAL VARIANCE APPLICATIONS.
SO A LOT OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING DOWN AND TALKING THROUGH THIS, UM, AND BEING HONEST WITH THEM, WE CANNOT GUARANTEE HOW YOU ALL WILL VOTE ON THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE A SEPARATE ENTITY ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THAN OUR RECOMMENDATION.
AND THAT'S GREAT, THAT'S NEEDED AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
UM, BUT WE, WE DO TRY AND BE AS FORTHRIGHT AS POSSIBLE WITH PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE PROCESS, THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM THIS, SO THAT THEY'RE PREPARED WHEN THEY COME HERE AS WELL AND THEY KNOW GENERALLY WHAT TO TALK TO.
UM, AND PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE, AND NOT, NOT JUST WITH BZA, BUT WITH ALL BOARDS, THAT WHOEVER IS COMING BEFORE YOU HAS IS PUTTING THEIR BEST FOOT FORWARD.
SO IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF PER SE, BUT WE AT LEAST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW GENERALLY WHERE TO LOOK AND, AND, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT INFORMATION IS.
SO IT'S A LONG-WINDED ANSWER, BUT DATABASE OF ALL OF THESE RIGHT, THOUGH THAT'S STILL WHAT I'M LIKE, YOU CAN'T SAY TO THEM LIKE, GO SEARCH THE DUBLIN ZONING REQUEST DATABASE AND TYPE IN POOL AND VARIANCE AND IT COMES UP, RIGHT? CORRECT.
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WORKING FOR A LONG TIME ON AN INTERNAL DATABASE FOR THIS, THAT, UM, IN AN IDEAL WORLD IS SOMETHING THAT IS ACCESSIBLE TO YOU ALL AS WELL.UM, THE, I HAVE, I HAVE A DATABASE OF ALL THE CASES THAT WE'VE HAD BACK TO 2013 CURRENTLY, AND I'M WORKING ON MAKING THAT FURTHER.
UM, OBVIOUSLY DATA RETENTION CASE AND BIO RETENTION IS KIND OF A NIGHTMARE ONCE YOU GET PAST 2013 FOR US.
UM, BUT IT'S THERE, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF COMPILING IT.
SO WE HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION INTERNALLY.
UM, AGAIN, I KIND OF SAID EARLIER, JOE, YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN RECOMMENDATIONS WITH YOU AND THEN ALSO MR. DESLER BEFORE OF, YOU KNOW, CAN WE GET SOMETHING TO MAP OUT ALL OF THIS? AND I MEAN, THE ANSWER IS YES.
UM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THAT SUCCINCT AND PUTTING IT TOGETHER.
SO I'M, I'VE GOT A GOOD AMOUNT OF THAT DONE.
IT'S TAKEN ME A LOT LONGER THAN I HAD HOPED.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S POTENTIALLY A TOOL FOR YOU ALL TO SAY, ALRIGHT, HAVE WE LOOKED AT IT, YOU KNOW, I CAN TYPE IN SWIMMING POOL AND I CAN SEE WHAT HAS BEEN AROUND THE CITY AND IDEALLY PULL UP WHAT THE PLAN REPORT IS AND THE HISTORY AND THAT ALL COMES TOGETHER.
NOW, AGAIN, WITH BZA, EACH CASE IS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SO JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING HAS BEEN APPROVED ELSEWHERE DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT SHOULD BE APPROVED THERE.
BUT THAT AT LEAST GIVES YOU A, AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN, HOW WE'VE RULED IN THE PAST AND MAYBE WHAT TO LOOK FOR.
SO I JUST THINK IF IT SAID LIKE TRIANGULAR LOT AND YOU LOOK IT UP AND IT'S SEVEN TIMES AND EVERY TIME IT'S TRIANGULAR LOT, OH, THAT'S UNIQUE.
IF I'M THE EIGHTH PERSON, I'D LIKE, I JUST THINK FOR YOU GUYS FOR THE, IT MIGHT MAKE THE PROCESS A LOT SMOOTHER.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IF YOU CAN ALREADY GO BACK TO 2013, LIKE FOR ME PERSONALLY, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
AND SO I WOULD, MY RECOMMENDATION PERSONALLY WOULD BE TO PRIORITIZE BRINGING IT TO LIFE AHEAD OF GETTING MORE YEARS OF DATA.
ARE YOU WAITING TO GET ALL OF IT BEFORE WE, BECAUSE I AGREE.
NO, IT'S TOTALLY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT'S PROBABLY MORE COMPLICATED THAN I REALIZE AND YOU'RE THE ONE WHO HAS TO DO IT.
BUT I, I DON'T, I WOULD ENCOURAGE DEPRIORITIZING GETTING MORE YEARS OF DATA AT THIS POINT.
YEAH, I'M A TECHIE, BUT I, IT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE ABOVE WHAT I KNOW.
SO I'VE, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR GIS TEAM TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION, UM, SO THAT IT CAN BE UPDATED PROPERLY, BUT ALSO THAT IT'S, UM, USER FRIENDLY THAT IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE YOUR IPAD, YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR PHONE OR, OR SOME SORT OF APPLICATION.
SO, UM, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING ON, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING HELP FOR AS WELL.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, OF GETTING THAT TOGETHER, FINDING THE RIGHT APPLICATION FOR IT AND GETTING IT AND, AND ESSENTIALLY DOING A TEST OF IT WITH YOU ALL.
SO, UM, YEAH, IDEALLY THAT'S A TOOL THAT CAN BE SHARED WITH YOU ALL MOVING FORWARD NOW.
I WILL ALWAYS, UM, DO MY BEST AND, AND WE WILL ALWAYS DO OUR BEST TO SHARE CASES THAT WE THINK ARE RELEVANT.
UM, IF SOMEBODY REFERENCES A CASE DURING THEIR, UM, APPLICATION, THAT WILL ALSO, I'LL MAKE SURE TO SHARE THAT.
THERE WAS A CASE THAT THERE WAS A PREVIOUS VARIANCE, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S SHARED WITH YOU.
UM, WHETHER THAT'S APPLICABLE OR NOT, THAT IS YOUR CHOICE.
BUT, UM, NO, THOSE ARE ALL PHENOMENAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
I I MAY ADD ONE THING JUST TO REMIND YOU ALL, YOU WERE IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL ROLE, SO YOU'RE WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE PRESENTED THEIR CASE TO YOU AND IF THEY HAVEN'T MET THAT AND THE STANDARDS AREN'T MET, YOUR JOB IS ALWAYS TO BE THE GATEKEEPER.
UM, BUT IT'S THEIR BURDEN TO PRESENT THE EVIDENCE WITH STAFF'S, YOU KNOW, ASSISTANCE THE WAY THAT THEY CAN, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS STILL THEIR BURDEN TO MEET NOT YOURS.
AND THAT, AND THAT, THAT'S WHERE FOR ME, I THINK THAT TOOL IS FOR ME IS MORE TO EQUIP STAFF TO, UM, SUMMARIZE FOR US WHAT ARE THE OTHER CASES THAT MIGHT BE RELEVANT RATHER THAN PUTTING THE BURDEN ON EACH OF US INDIVIDUALLY TO GO INTO THE TOOL TO LOOK.
UM, BUT IT, BACK TO, I'M REALLY STUCK ON WHAT YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT MAKING IT MORE PREDICTABLE IF THAT THE PROCESS, IF THAT'S THE MISSION.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY TO HELP THE APPLICANT.
BUT I, I GO BACK TO MR. OT AT THE BEGINNING, I TOTALLY BELIEVE THAT, THAT THE PLANNERS ARE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON ALL OF THIS.
YOU'VE HAD EVERYTHING COMPLETELY, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR PERCEPTION IS REALITY WITH A, WITH THE APPLICANTS AND THE, THE PROCESS PART.
AND THAT'S WHERE LIKE I, I WISH THAT IT
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WAS PART OF THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.UM, I I WISH THERE WAS A CUTOFF DATE ON WHEN AN APPLICANT COULD INTRODUCE MORE MATERIALS, UM, LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, HERE'S SOMETHING MY NEIGHBOR GAVE ME THAT I COULD SAY, OR HERE'S A CASE I FOUND LIKE IT WOULD JUST HELP PROCESS WISE IF THAT THAT WAS MORE FORMAL.
AND THEN BY THE TIME WE'RE AT THE MEETING, WE'RE REVIEWING THESE FACTS AND DISCUSSING, I DON'T MEAN TO BELABOR THE POINT.
AND, UM, LET ME, ANTHONY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF IT'S, IF SOMETHING IS NEW INFORMATION PROVIDED AT A MEETING YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE FULL AUTHORITY TO DENY THAT MATERIAL AS WELL.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE AUTHORITY TO PEN OR TABLE IT YOURSELVES AND TAKE TIME TO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE YOU.
IF STAFF DOESN'T HAVE A WAY TO GIVE YOU A REFERENCE OF THAT.
AND IF THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND ITS SCOPE OR PURPOSE OR NATURE, THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY REALLY HELPFUL.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, THAT WE HAD THE ABILITY TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED, WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.
WE WANT TO, I KNOW WE CAN MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE IT 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY HOW WE DO IT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW.
SO I'LL SAY IT, I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC CASE, BUT LIKE SOMEONE BRINGING PUBLIC COMMENT, I THINK IT'S, I WOULD RATHER HAVE WHEN I HAD A GOOD PREDICTION OF WHERE WE WERE GOING THAT WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM A REASON TO NOT HAVE SOMETHING ON THE RECORD IF THEY WERE TO DO THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT LIKE IN THAT CASE IT MADE SENSE.
BUT I AGREE WITH JOEL THAT IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW BEFORE WE GET HERE THAT WE'RE NOT KIND OF SURPRISED BY NEW INFORMATION.
SO, AND ZACH, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED, I LOOKED AT MY PHONE TO MAKE SURE OF IS, UM, I DON'T, BECAUSE I GOT SOMETHING FROM THE CITY, I JUST WANTED MAKE SURE AS PART OF THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WE HAD, THAT WE HAVE THE, UM, UPCOMING JOINT SESSION 'CAUSE IT GOT MOVED AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY GOT THAT AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE THAT OR DON'T HAVE IT IN THERE.
UH, SO THE JOINT, THE JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL OCTOBER 16TH, BUT I DOUBLE CHECK IF THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAD.
UM, SO YES, THAT GOT MOVED FROM OUR PREVIOUS SEPTEMBER MEETING, SO IT IS ON THE 16TH FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM UM, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A MEETING INVITE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T, I'LL FORWARD THAT OUT AGAIN.
BUT, UM, AND SORRY NOT TO, I I DID HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION REGARDING THIS AS WELL.
UM, IN TERMS OF PRESENTATIONS, UM, WE DO IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT BASED ON THE BOARD.
UM, THERE ARE SOME BOARDS WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT FIRST AND THEN STAFF FOLLOWS UP WITH A PRESENTATION.
UM, MOST OF THE TIME THE, AND WE DO THAT WITH PLANNING COMMISSION SPECIFICALLY SOMETIMES WITH A RB.
AND THAT'S JUST DEPENDENT ON A DEVELOPMENT COMING FORWARD WHERE I THINK SOMETIMES IT GETS PERCEIVED THAT THE, THAT STAFF IS SHARING THIS VISION OF A PROJECT THAT'S COMING FORWARD AND WE'RE EXPLAINING IT AND IT, I IT, IT DOESN'T GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THEIR PROJECT AND EXPLAIN THE DETAILS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON PRESENTATION AND WHEN WE'RE AT THE MEETING, IS THE MATERIAL THAT THAT STAFF IS PROVIDING, UM, CLEAR ENOUGH.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S MEANT TO BE A SUMMARY OF ALL THE MATERIALS THAT ARE SHARED AHEAD OF TIME, UM, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF WHO YOU WANT TO HEAR FIRST.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE HEARING FROM STAFF FIRST VERSUS THE APPLICANT? I KNOW THIS IS NEW INFORMATION, SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW, THAT'S OKAY.
ZACH, CAN I TELL YOU ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEAR, WE HEARD IT TONIGHT TOO, THAT, THAT I CAN REMEMBER AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK, BUT ALMOST ALWAYS, AND THEY SAY STAFF DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF SUMMARIZING OUR POSITION ON THAT, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN I HEAR THE APPLICANT SAY THAT, AND IT'S NOT OFTEN RIGHT THAT THEY SAY THAT PERSON WHO DOESN'T WANT ME TO GET THIS, AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THAT YOU DON'T WANT 'EM TO GET IT SAYS THAT WE'RE EXPLAINING IT CORRECTLY.
SO TO ME IT'S PRESENTED IN A MUCH MORE ORGANIZED MANNER FROM THE CITY.
AND SO CERTAINLY WE'VE, I MEAN I KNOW I HAVE DISAGREED WITH THE CITY AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, SO HAVING IT PRESENTED IN AN ORGANIZED MANNER FIRST AND THEN THEY CAN KIND OF FED IN THE DETAILS THEY WANT TO MAKES SENSE TO ME.
BUT I MEAN, I I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A STRONG OPINION THAT THEY COULDN'T GO FIRST.
NO, I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH YOU.
UM, I I I THINK IT, IT IS BENEFICIAL FOR THEM TO HAVE A NARRATIVE FROM WHICH THEY CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, WEAVE IN THEIR, UH, SPECIFIC GRIEVANCES OR, UM, UH, DISAGREEMENTS.
UH, MOSTLY BECAUSE I MEAN, AS YOU MENTIONED THAT IT USUALLY STARTS OFF FROM A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY.
UM, SO I I THINK THEY WOULD KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHERE YOU ARE, UH, IN TERMS OF YOUR POSITION AND THEN FROM THERE THEY CAN, UH, REBUT ANY SORT OF, UH, ASSUMPTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND MOVE ON FROM THERE.
SO I I, I THINK IT'S A, A GOOD STRUCTURE UNLESS, UM, THERE WOULD BE LIKE A MECHANISM FOR THEM TO, UH,
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ELECT TO GO FIRST.UM, IF IF THAT WERE SOMETHING THAT WERE IN PLACE IN CASE THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S, UH, YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR THUMB TOO MUCH ON THE SCALE IN THE CITY'S FAVOR AS OPPOSED TO THEIR OWN.
THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE.
THE ONLY THOUGHT THAT I WOULD HAVE ON THAT MATTER.
I AGREE WITH NOT CHANGING IT FOR ALL THE SAME REASONS.
I WONDER IF IT MIGHT BE EASIER SOMETIMES UNLESS THERE'S A PROCEDURAL REASON WE CAN'T, TO HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING.
I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES IT'S AWKWARDLY SHARED LIKE AT THE END OR, OR WE FORGET, UM, OR IT'S IN WRITING OR IT MIGHT JUST BE LIKE AN EASY THING TO KNOCK OUT BECAUSE WE'RE USUALLY PRETTY READY TO GO INTO DELIBERATION AFTER WE ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS.
ARE WE ABLE TO DO THAT? CAN WE DO IT IN ORDER ONE, TWO, DO YOU GUYS, I MEAN, AS LONG AS PUBLIC COMMENT IS GIVEN TIME TO BE PROVIDED, I BELIEVE SO THE APPLICANT COULD THEN ALSO I I'VE YET TO SEE, THERE WAS ACTUALLY ONE CASE THEY DIDN'T WHERE THE, WHERE SOMEONE CAME IN PERSON GAVE AN A LENGTHY PUBLIC COMMENT AND IT WAS AFTER THE APPLICANT HAD TALKED AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BETTER TO GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO INCORPORATE IT INTO THEIR REMARKS.
I THINK IF, IF AFTER THE CITY'S PRESENTATION AND, AND MAYBE WE HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY, WE ASK IF THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT TO JUST AS PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION SAY, AND THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT AND THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
IF WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY, I'D LIKE THAT OR, UH, GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, AS AS LIKE ANOTHER LEVER FOR THEIR BENEFIT.
YEAH, WE CAN CHECK THE, UH, THE RULES AND REGS FOR THE BOARD AND SEE IF IT SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT, ABOUT THE PROCESS AND WHERE IT SHOULD BE LOCATED.
BUT I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THERE'S ANYTHING THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY INSTEAD OF JUST BEING TOLD THAT THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I THINK IT MAKES SENSE AND, AND JOEY WRIGHT, I MEAN I, I ALMOST DID IT THIS TIME BECAUSE THERE PREVIOUSLY WASN'T, BUT WHAT, NINE TIMES OUTTA 10 THERE'S NOT.
AND WE ALWAYS GO INTO DELIBERATION BECAUSE WE JUST HEAR THE INFORMATION AND THEN IT'S LIKE, OH WAIT, IS THERE A PUBLIC COMMENT? AND I WANT THEM TO FEEL THAT WE FAIRLY CONSIDERED IT ALSO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, MOST TIMES THEY GO AND GET IT THEMSELF AND IT'S SOMEBODY TO SUPPORT THEM, BUT WE COULD STILL ASK THEM ABOUT IT IF WE KNEW ABOUT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BRING THEM BACK UP.
IT'S KIND OF CUMBERSOME AND FEELS OUTTA ORDER.
AND WITH OTHER BOARDS, UM, BEFORE WE DIVE INTO ANY DELIBERATION, WE ARE, WE'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT DOING PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.
SO THE ORDER IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS, THE, OBVIOUSLY THE PRESENTATIONS FIRST AND THEN GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT OR ANYTHING FOR THE APPLICANT AND STAFF PUTTING OPINION ASIDE FOR, FOR THAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S WAITING UNTIL WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DEFINITELY PLAYS MORE A FACTOR WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IMPACTING WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT? SO YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE STAFF INPUT, THE APPLICANT INPUT AND THEN THE PUBLIC'S INPUT PRIOR TO MAKING DELIBERATIONS.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE DO ELSEWHERE, YOU KNOW, WE TRY AND ORIENT IT THE SAME WAY AS WELL.
UM, SO I KNOW TONIGHT WAS A LITTLE, A LITTLE DIFFERENT JUST BASED ON NEW INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED, BUT UM, YEAH, WE'LL LOOK AT THE RULES AND REGS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC TOWARDS IT.
I JUST THINK IT WOULD TAKE THE BURDEN OFF THE CHAIR FROM HAVING TO REMEMBER IT WHEN WE'RE NATURALLY GOING INTO DELIBERATION AND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE, ALL THREE OF THOSE GROUPS WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE THEIR REMARKS BEFORE WE DELIBERATE REGARDLESS OF THE ORDER.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST NICE FOR THE APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF HAVE THE LAST SAY BEFORE WE DELIBERATE VERSUS WHAT'S POSSIBLE NOT COMMON IS WHAT CAN BE SOME RANDOM REMARKS.
IT'S KIND OF UNNATURAL AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE, THE WAY WE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW, IT'S BOARD QUESTIONS AND, AND THEN, WHICH IS, I, I KNOW THAT DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS ARE SEPARATE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING TO ME.
SO WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS, THEN EVERYBODY SITS DOWN AND THEN THERE'S A PUBLIC COMMENT WHICH MAY START THE WHOLE PROCESS OVER AGAIN AND IT COULD HAVE JUST BEEN, YOU KNOW, FOLDED NICELY INTO THAT OTHER PART.
SO I LIKE THAT SUGGESTION IF WE CAN DO IT.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS TOPIC? ALL THIS FEEDBACK HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL.
OKAY, WELL THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING A LITTLE TIME.
I, I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR OUR STAFF.
WE TAKE IT FOR GRANTED SOMETIMES HOW, UM, HOW THOROUGH THE PROCESS IS AND UH, IT'S GOOD FOR US AS A REFRESHER TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH THIS AND KIND OF EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT OUR ROLES ARE IN ALL OF THIS AS WELL.
AND HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR YOU ALL COMING INTO THIS MEETING.
SO, UM, YEAH, WITH THAT, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS.
UM, AGAIN, ANTHONY IS HERE WITH US REPRESENTING LEGAL, SO HE WILL BE WITH US MOVING FORWARD.
SO, UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT
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WAS REQUESTED IN THE PAST AND HE DREW THE LUCKY STRAW, SO HE'LL BE WITH US MOVING FORWARD.UM, VERY EXCITED TO, TO HAVE HIM WITH US, BUT OUTSIDE THAT, I'VE GOT NOTHING ELSE.
AND I'LL SAY JUST, JUST SO IT'S CLEAR TO THE BOARD MEMBERS, CLEARLY THE CITY'S TAKING OUR, THIS FEEDBACK PORTION OF IT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE ASK FOR AND THEY SAID YES, HERE YOU GO.
SO I I I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS ALL FOR NAUGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE CERTAINLY DOING IT, BUT ZACH, I JUST WANNA SAY KIND OF LIKE WE SUMMARIZED BEFORE, I THINK YOU GUYS DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF PRESENTING IT IN IN THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PART OF THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE SEE SOME OF THESE CASES GOING ON AND, AND BEING APPEALED IS WHAT I WOULD USE IN QUOTES FROM, FROM HERE.
THAT HAVING THAT PRESENTATION, HAVING THE FORM OF THIS BE DONE THE WAY IT IS, IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK THAT FOLLOWING THE ORDER OF THE CITY FIRST, THEN THE APPLICANT, THE, THE APPLICANTS, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD REALLY GREAT PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE COME FORWARD AND DONE IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING IT EACH TIME.
AND SO I FEEL THERE'S A LOT LESS FORMALITY.
YOU SAID A LITTLE BIT OF PRECEDENT AND HOW THIS GOES.
AND SO I JUST, I WAS THINKING MORE ABOUT IT.
I REALLY LIKE THE CITY GOING FIRST BECAUSE IT KIND OF JUST DICTATES HOW THE PROCESS IS GOING TO GO.
IT'S MUCH MORE FORMAL, METERED AND THEN THEY CAN PRESENT INSTEAD OF, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST, THEY JUST WANNA COME UP AND JUST, YOU KNOW, SPEW ALL THE INFORMATION THEY HAVE, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT THEN WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THE, THE FORM STUFF BEFORE THAT.
BUT, SO AGAIN, THANKS, BUT SINCE WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE GET SMACK MY GAVEL.