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JUDY, WE WE'RE GOOD.[CALL TO ORDER]
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME.UH, WELCOME TO TONIGHT'S MEETING.
UM, WELCOME TO THE, TO THE MEETING OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD MEETING BEING HELD AT 5 5 5 5 PERIMETER DRIVE.
THE MEETING CAN ALSO BE ACCESSED VIA THE LIME LIVESTREAM VIDEO RECORDED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CASES.
THE MEETING PROCEDURE FOR EACH CASE THIS EVENING WILL BEGIN WITH A STAFF PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION IF DESIRED.
THE APPLICANT MAY PREVENT PRESENT FIRST.
THE BOARD WILL THEN ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE.
FOR TONIGHT, ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD.
UNDER EACH APPLICATION, PLEASE ENSURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON, ON THE, IN THE DIOCESE.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
AND FOR TONIGHT, WE REQUEST YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
SO AS WE START EACH MEETING WITH, UH, WITH THE PLEDGE OF PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
SO IF EVERYONE COULD STAND, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES AMERICA, AND TWO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
NATION, NATION NATION UNDER INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY.
I, JUSTICE JUDY, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL MR. JEWEL? YEAH.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
WE DO, WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO REC, INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE A RB ME MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 28TH, 2024.IS THERE A SECOND? IT'S ALL SECOND.
SO FOR THE CASE PROCEDURE, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REVIEW AND CONSTRUCTION MODIFICATIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO ANY SITE IN THE AREA SUBJECT TO THE ARCH ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW UNDER THE PROVISION OF THE ZONING CODE SECTION 1 53 0.170.
THE BOARD HAS A DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY ON THESE CASES IN ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON CASES THIS EVENING MUST BE SWORN IN.
SO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO ADDRESS, PLEASE, UH, UH, BE SWORN IN.
SO, UH, SO ANYBODY, UH, INTERESTED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? YES.
[Case #24-108MPR ]
OKAY.SO FIRST, UH, FIRST CASE NUMBER 24 1 0 8 MMPR 37 WEST BRIDGE STREET, UH, INSTALLATION OF A 0.075 SQUARE FOOT WALL SIGN ON AN EXISTING BUILDING LOCATED IN HISTORIC DUBLIN.
THE 0.22 ACRE SITE IS ZONED, UH, HISTORIC CORE DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST INTERSECTION OF WEST BRIDGE STREET AND MILL, UH, AND MILL LANE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A MINOR PROJECT AT 37 WEST BRIDGE STREET.
UH, THE SITE WEST IS SOUTHWEST OF THE CORNER OF WEST BRIDGE STREET AND MILL LANE AND IS ZONED HISTORIC CORE.
UH, DEAN INSURANCE GROUP APPEARED BEFORE THE BOARD IN JUNE OF 2024, AND THIS IS THEIR SECOND AND FINAL PERMITTED SIGN PER THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1944 AND HOUSED BOTH THE DUBLIN AND PERRY TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
UH, THE SITE HAS AN EXISTING PROJECTING SIGN THAT WAS APPROVED IN JUNE.
SHOWN HERE IS THE PROPOSED SIGN LOCATION TO THE RIGHT OF THE ENTRYWAY ON THE EAST FACADE.
UH, THE MOUNTING HEIGHT MAY VARY SLIGHTLY IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT IT'S, THERE'S NO DRILLING DIRECTLY INTO THE STONE.
THE PROPOSED SIGN IS A SMALL BLACK AND WHITE WALL SIGN WITH THREE ASSOCIATED WAIVERS.
STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF OF THE PROPOSED SHALLOWER RELIEF BECAUSE THE REQUIRED HALF INCH LETTER DEPTH WOULD APPEAR BULKY ON A SIGN OF THIS SIZE.
A COMPOUNDED ALUMINUM SIGN FACE IS MATT AND DOES NOT APPEAR TOO MODERN, AND THE ACRYLIC IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE HIGHLY DETAILED SIGN.
THE MATERIAL WAIVER FOR THE ACRYLIC WILL ALSO RETROACTIVELY APPLY TO THE PROJECTING SIGN APPROVED IN JUNE.
THE SIGN PANEL WILL BE MOUNTED INTO THE MORTAR JOINTS TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE STONE MASONRY STAFF IS SATISFIED WITH THE PROPOSED LOCATION AND MOUNTING STRATEGY.
THE WAIVER FOR THE ALUMINUM COMPOSITE SIGN FACE MATERIAL IS CRITERIA IS
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MET OR NOT APPLICABLE.THE WAIVER FOR THE ACRYLIC LETTERING CRITERIA IS MET OR NOT APPLICABLE.
THE WAIVER FOR THE QUARTER ENTRY RELIEF CRITERIA IS MET OR NOT APPLICABLE, AND THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW CRITERIA ARE MET, MET WITH WAIVERS OR NOT APPLICABLE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW AND THE ASSOCIATED WAIVERS WITH NO CONDITIONS.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
MIKE, HILLARY, ANYTHING? DID EVERYONE SEE THE MATERIALS? YES.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? DOES THE, IS THE APPLICANT, UH, IN, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? YOU'RE GOOD.
UM, FROM A BOARD, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, CLARIFICATION, PUBLIC COMMENTS? OH, SORRY.
DO WE GET ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO.
UM, FOR THIS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE, WITH, WITH EITHER THING, THE NEW SIGN OR THE, OR KIND OF GOING BACK IN, IN, UH, FIXING WHAT WE HAD FROM THE LAST ONE? ANYBODY HAVE ANY NOPE.
THEN I THINK WE GO, UH, FROM THIS SIDE.
COULD, IF WE CAN GO THROUGH, UM, UH, EACH, UH, MOTION.
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE A WAIVER FOR THE ALUMINUM COMPOSITE SIGN MATERIAL FOR THE WALL SIGN AND PROJECTING SIGN.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND THAT.
FOR THE, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR THE SECOND? SURE.
I'LL MOVE FOR THE, THE SECOND ONE IS TO APPROVE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE A WAIVER FOR ACRYLIC LETTERING AND LOGO MATERIAL FOR THE PROPOSED WALL SIGN AND EXISTING PROJECTING, PROJECTING SIGN.
YOU WELCOME MR. JEWEL, MS. COOPER? YES.
AND THE THIRD ONE, IS THERE A MOTION? SURE.
UM, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE A WAIVER FOR THE ONE QUARTER INCH RAISED LETTERING FOR THE WALL SIGN.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE FOURTH MOTION.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW WITH NO CONDITIONS.
SECOND, MS. PAT MCDANIEL? YES.
[Case #24-104MPR ]
CASE NUMBER TWO, TONIGHT, 24, UH, 1 0 4 MPR 87 SOUTH HIGH STREET, MINOR PROJECT.REVIEW THE PROPOSAL, THE, UH, PROPOSAL FOR AN EX EXTERIOR MODIFICATION TO AN EXISTING BUILDING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE 0.12 ACRE SITE IS ZONED HDA, UH, HS, HISTORIC SOUTH DISTRICT, AND IS LOCATED SOUTH, LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF EVERETT HILL AND SOUTH HIGH STREET.
UH, THIS APPLICATION IS FOR APPROVAL OF A NEW, UH, PAINT COLOR SCHEME.
THE SITE IS LOCATED ON SOUTH HIGH STREET AT 87, UH, NEAR SOUTH HIGH AND EBERLY HILL AND PENNY HILL LANES.
AND, UH, THE, UH, CURRENT COLOR SCHEME IS, UH, THE TRIM IS TRIONE TRICO BLACK, AND THE BODY IS DORIAN GRAY, UH, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT OF THE, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE SAMPLES THERE.
UH, THE, UH, NEW COLOR SCHEME IS, UH, FOR THE BODY IS IRON ORE, WHICH IS THE DARKER COLOR THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN.
UH, AND THE TRIM WOULD REMAIN THE, UH, TRICO BLACK.
THE, UH, WHAT THE PICTURE THAT YOU SEE IS THE BEFORE PICTURE.
THE, UH, UH, FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THE BACK OF THE HOUSE HAVE BEEN PAINTED, UH, WITH THE NEW COLOR SCHEME.
AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL SO THAT THEY COULD CONTINUE WITH THE SIDES.
SO, UH, AS A PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATION, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THEY'RE, UH, THE PRE-APPROVED PAINT COLORS THAT, UH, WERE ADOPTED BY THIS BOARD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
UH, THOSE ALLOW FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS OF NEW COLOR SCHEMES IF THEY WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH,
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TIME PERIOD PER THE, UH, PRE-APPROVED PAINT COLORS FOR THIS PARTICULAR STYLE.THE, UH, HOUSE HAS A PRETTY DISTINCTIVE GREEK REVIVAL ARCHITECTURAL THEME, AND TYPICALLY PER THE GUIDELINES AND PER, UH, TYPICAL, UM, APPLICATIONS OF PAINT ON THAT STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.
THE COLOR USED TO BE, UH, LIGHT BECAUSE IT WAS REMINISCENT OF GREEK TEMPLES.
UH, AT ONE POINT THEY PAINTED THEM WHITE, BUT AT OTHER TIMES THEY PAINTED THEM, UM, EARTH TONE COLORS.
THE, UH, APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US, IT'S A MUCH DARKER COLOR, SO IT'S NOT ONE THAT COULD BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
UH, IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THOSE COLOR SCHEMES, BUT THE BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO CONSIDER OTHER COLOR ALTERNATIVES.
SO THAT'S, UH, WHY IT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
UM, A COUPLE OF PICTURES THAT SHOW THE FRONT FACADE AS PAINTED.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE BACK HAS BEEN PAINTED AS WELL.
UH, THE SIZE HAVE NOT ON THE FRONT.
THE WINDOW TRIM HAS NOT BEEN PAINTED YET.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE INTENT IS THAT THAT WOULD MATCH THE TERM COLOR ON THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
THE, UH, PROJECT, MINOR PROJECT REVIEW CRITERIA, UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THEM THAT ARE NOT MET AGAIN, UH, PERTAINING SPECIFICALLY TO THOSE, UH, TIME PERIOD SENSITIVE COLOR SCHEMES.
BUT OTHERWISE, THEY'RE EITHER MET OR NOT APPLICABLE.
THE, UH, STAFF IS PROPOSING ONE OF TWO CONDITIONS FOR THE BOARD, UH, FOR YOU TO, TO CONSIDER.
ONE IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO CHOOSE A COLOR SCHEME THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE STYLE, IN WHICH CASE IT COULD BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
AND, UH, WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.
UH, OUR MAIN CONCERN, THOUGH, IS TO GET 'EM APPROVAL IN TIME SO THAT THEY CAN PAINT THE REST OF THE HOUSE BEFORE THE, UH, BAD WEATHER SETS IN BECAUSE THE SIDES HAVE PEELING PAINT.
UM, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO, UH, FOR YOU TO APPROVE IT AS PROPOSED, COMPLETE THE, UH, THE PAINTING ON THE REST OF THE HOUSE AND COMPLETE THAT WORK WITHIN 30 DAYS OF APPROVAL.
SO WITH THAT, I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY ON THE BOARD? HAVE A CLARIFYING? MIKE? LISA.
WELL, ACTUALLY, SO I WANNA JUST CLARIFY.
SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIVE, IT'S EITHER PAINT THE, REPAINT IT IN THE APPROVED COLORS, OR TO TRIM IT OUT IN THE, IN THE BLACK.
THAT IS A POTENTIAL, YEAH, A POTENTIAL COMPLETE THE COLOR SCHEME, BASICALLY ON THE SIDES AND, AND, UH, AROUND THE WINDOW ON THE FRONT FACADE, CURRENTLY, THE SIDES ARE NOT YET PAINTED.
AND THE FRONT IS PAINTED THE IRON ORE WITH BLACK TRIM.
SO IT'S JUST NEARLY BLACK ON BLACK.
THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT SHADES OF BLACK.
AND THE BACK HAS BEEN PAINTED AS WELL, BUT NOT ALL THE TRIM ON THE FRONT HAS YET BEEN PAINTED.
AND, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE APPLICANT'S INTENT, IF, UH, UH, SHE CAN GET YOUR APPROVAL, IS TO FINISH THE TRIM AND ALSO THE SIDES AND THE, UH, BLACK TRIM IS AUTHORIZED UNDER OUR, UH, PRE-APPROVED COLORS.
ACTUALLY, THE BLACK TRIM ALREADY EXISTS.
IT, IT WAS THE SAME COLOR FROM BEFORE, SO THE TRIM ITSELF IS NOT CHANGING.
LISA, YOU STILL LOOK? NO, I'M FINE.
IS THE APPLICANT IN, WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP AND, AND, AND MAKE A STATEMENT? AND WHEN YOU COME, IF YOU COULD, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
THANK YOU FOR, LET US, LETTING US SHARE YOUR NAME, OUR THOUGHTS TODAY.
SO OUR PROPERTY, AS YOU KNOW, IS LOCATED IN HISTORIC SOUTH AT 87 SOUTH HIGH STREET, AND IT'S OF THE GREEK REVIVAL ARCHITECTURE.
WE ARE OBVIOUSLY SEEKING THE COLOR VARIANCE CHANGED TO ITS, UM, HIS ORIGINAL COLOR TO THIS IRON ORE.
AND AS OWNERS IN HISTORIC SOUTH DISTRICT, OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO INVEST IN THE HOUSE AND ALSO INTO THE AESTHETIC APPEAL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALTHOUGH THE COLOR ITSELF IS AN APPROVED HISTORIC COLOR, WE REALIZE IT'S NOT ON THE APPROVED LIST FOR THIS ARCHITECTURAL BUILD
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AND TIMEFRAME OF THE HOME.BUT IT IS, IT IS ON THE, UM, ON THE LIST OF A HISTORICAL COLOR.
HOWEVER, WE DO FEEL THAT THE OTHER, THE COLOR ELEVATES THE HISTORIC CHARM AND BALANCES THE DISTRICT IN GENERAL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES ON THE SCREEN, UM, PROBABLY SECOND SLIDE.
THERE ARE MANY COLORS THAT ARE USED TO CREATE THIS CHARM.
AND WE FEEL THAT A BALANCE OF COLORS IS ALSO APPROPRIATE AND APPEALING TO THE EYE.
THE GRAY EARTHY HUE BALANCES EXTREMELY WELL WITH ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AND, AND OTHERS IN THAT DISTRICT.
THERE'S RED, BLUE, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO US IS WHITE AND A VERY DARK GREEN.
SO, AND THEN THERE'S THE RED, THE OLD RED BANK JUST ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THERE ARE MANY COLORS THAT ARE REPRESENTED IN HISTORIC SOUTH.
SO WE REALLY FEEL THAT OUR COLOR IS MORE OF AN EARTHY SLATE COLOR.
AND IT'S, IT'S VERY CALMING AND, UM, ELEVATES THE CHARM.
AND IN OUR OPINION, AND WE'VE, AND WE'VE GOTTEN SO MANY COMPLIMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS AND PEOPLE WALKING BY THAT THEY LOVE THE CHAIN.
THE, THEY LOVE THE, THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S ELEVATED THE SPACE.
SO IN, IN ONE OF THE PHOTOS IT LOOKS VERY DARK.
IT'S NOT THAT AS DARK IN PERSON.
THERE IS AN A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BLACK AND THE EARTHY GRAY IRON ORE COLOR.
SO I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE, UM, AN EARTHY SMOKY COLOR VERSUS, UM, A BLACK.
AND THAT COLOR HAS BEEN SEEN LATER IN THE ERA, UM, BECAUSE BLENDING IN WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND THINGS AROUND IT WAS BECOMING VERY APPROPRIATE.
UM, SO I FEEL THAT BECAUSE OF THAT, AND IT BALANCES THE CHARM IN GENERAL OF, OF THE NEIGHBORS AND THE DISTRICT.
UM, AND I DO REALIZE IT IS GREEK REVIVAL, UM, ARCHITECTURE.
IT'S NOT A PURE FORM OF GREEK REVIVAL.
UM, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THE COLOR ELEVATES THE CHARM AND ITS GRANDEUR OF GREEK REVIVAL, AND IT STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, BRINGS THAT EARTHY SENSE TO, TO THE AREA.
SO WE WOULD LOVE TO KEEP THE COLOR, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, AND OTHERS HAVE SAID HOW MUCH THEY LOVE THE COLOR.
AND SO WE ARE JUST HOPING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WORKS OUT IN OUR FAVOR.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR, I DON'T BELIEVE WE, WE HAD NOT RECEIVED ANY BEFORE, AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE RECEIVED ANY SINCE, SO, OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANYTHING WE WANNA CLARIFY FROM, FROM THE STATEMENT, FROM THE STAFF OR FROM THE APPLICANT? NO, SO THANK YOU.
SO, UH, I THINK FROM HERE WE'LL TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND, AND TALK THROUGH THE, WITH THE BOARD HERE.
UM, SO I START, MIKE, I MEAN, YOUR THOUGHTS, JUST GENERALLY, HOW DO YOU SEE THE YEAH, I THINK, I MEAN, OUR PAINT COLORS HAVE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S O OFF EXTREME VARIATION OF WHAT SOME OF OUR OTHER COLORS ARE.
SO I'VE SEEN IT, IT, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS AND FITS WELL IN THE DISTRICT.
SO I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH IT.
I'M BOTHERED BY THE PROCESS THAT WAS USED THAT THE APPLICANT IS COMING AFTER HAVING PICKED AN INCOMPLIANT COLOR.
UM, IF YOU WANNA, IF YOU, YES, YOU CAN RESPOND TO THAT.
UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.
UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY AN ACCIDENT, UM, INITIALLY AND, UM, WE REALIZED, UM, 'CAUSE IT WAS OBVIOUSLY EXPENSIVE TO CHANGE.
WE LET IT SORT OF SIT FOR A BIT AND WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE IT, BUT WE ENDED UP GETTING SO MANY COMPLIMENTS AND FALLING IN LOVE WITH THE COLOR THAT WE DECIDED TO KEEP IT.
SO WE REALLY, THAT'S WHY WE NEVER PAINTED THE SIDES.
SO, UM, AND THEN WE WENT TO DUBLIN AFTER THE FACT AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS A REALLY NICE ADDITION TO THE AREA AND, UM, THAT'S HOW IT SORT OF CAME TO BE.
SO IT WAS SORT OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BY ACCIDENT, BUT THEN WE ENDED UP, AND EVERYONE ENDED UP LOVING IT AND HOW IT BLENDED WITH THE, UM, THE HISTORIC CHARM.
I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION.
THAT, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, HEATHER, FOLLOW UP.
I MEAN, YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT, UH, IN HERE, JUST THINKING ABOUT FROM A, FROM A, AS STAFF HAS, WE HAVE KIND OF TWO, UH, TRYING TO FIND A CONSENSUS AROUND TWO, ONE OF, ONE OF TWO OF THESE, UH, UH, WAYS FORWARD AND THOUGHTS
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ON, UH, EITHER ONE OF THEM.UM, I, I, I DON'T PER SE MIND THE COLOR.
UM, I HAVE TO DECIDE HOW I'M GONNA VOTE EVENTUALLY.
AND MY COMMENT IS THAT I MUCH PREFERRED IT WITH A, UH, A LIGHTER COLOR AND SHOWING OR SHOWCASING THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL.
I AM FINE WITH THE BLACK TRIM, BUT I DO THINK THAT IN MY OPINION, THAT THE, UH, DARK, DARKER, UH, BODY COLOR, IF YOU WILL, UM, TAKES AWAY FROM THE DETAIL OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, USUALLY OUR PROCESS IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO OFF OUR, FIRST OF ALL, PAINT COLORS HAVE TO BE APPROVED, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA GO OFF OUR, OUR APPROVED PRE-APPROVED PAINT COLORS, THEN YOU WOULD COME TO US AS HILLARY MENTIONED, AND, UM, ASK FOR A WAIVER TO DO SO.
UM, SO I'M ALSO A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE REWARDING FOR, UM, NOT FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURE, BUT THEN SEEKING APPROVAL AFTER THE FACT.
BUT IN GENERAL, AND I, I DON'T DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED SOME COMPLIMENTS ON THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMMONS IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE APPROVAL OF THIS, UH, PAINT COLOR FOR THE, UH, FOR THE WALLS, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE SIDING, THE BODY OF THE HOUSE.
BUT FROM MY PERSONAL OPINION, I DO THINK CHOOSING A LIGHTER COLOR WOULD BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE PROPERTY AND ITS TIME PERIOD, AND ALSO WOULD REALLY MAKE THE BLACK POP ON THE TRIM AND SHOW ITS DETAIL.
SO I AM, I AM SOMEWHAT RELUCTANT TO APPROVE THE WAIVER, BUT I'M ONLY ONE VOTE.
SO, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS JUST TO CLARIFY, IS THAT YOU STARTED IT AND STOPPED AND THEN CAME IN FOR THE PROCESS.
SO CERTAINLY YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE, BUT YOU DID STOP AND COME IN FOR THE PROCESS.
UM, BEING A RESIDENT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOVAN WALKED BY IT, AND ALSO A HISTORIC PRESERVATIONIST, I AGREE THAT THE COLOR, PERHAPS A LIGHTER COLOR WOULD BE MORE, AND KEEPING WITH IT HOWEVER THIS COLOR IS, ALTHOUGH NOT, MAYBE NOT COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE, AND IT ISN'T COMPLETELY GREEK REVIVAL, SHE'S RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
I, I THINK THAT THE COLOR IS FINE AND I, I AM NOT, I I, I'M FINE WITH THIS COLOR AND COMPLETING IT OUT AND USING THE BLACK TRIM.
UM, I THINK IT WILL, I, I THINK THE LIGHTER COLOR ACTUALLY MIGHT WASH OUT THE DETAIL, FRANKLY, BUT, SO I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF JUST GOING AHEAD AND, UH, GIVING HER A WAIVER AND GOING AHEAD AND APPROVING THE COLOR.
COULD I ASK SIMA QUESTION?
UM, THE, THE TIME PERIOD FOR THE TIME PERIOD OF THIS HOUSE AND THE STYLE, THE GREEK REVIVAL, WAS IT NORMALLY DARK TRIM AND LIGHTER BODY? YES.
YEAH, MOSTLY, BUT E EVEN THE TRIM TYPICALLY WOULD'VE BEEN A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE EARTH TONE COLORS.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE THEY WERE TRYING TO MIMIC WHAT A GREEK TEMPLE WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHICH WAS ALL ONE COLOR.
AND I, I SHOULD QUALIFY EVEN, EVEN WITHIN THE TIME PERIOD, I THINK DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES HAD DIFFERENT COLORS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, UH, AS WELL.
SO THAT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A DISTINCTION.
BUT YES, THE PRE-APPROVED COLORS DO, UH, TREAT THEM GENERALLY BY TIME PERIOD.
AND, AND THE CONTRASTING TRIM WOULD OR WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TYPICAL FOR THE PERIOD THAT WOULD'VE BEEN FOR THE SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURAL STYLE? PROBABLY NOT, BUT UH, IT'S ONE OF THOSE KIND OF, OKAY.
WE DIDN'T LIVE, WE, WE AREN'T LIVING THEN, RIGHT.
SO, I MEAN, JUST FOR ME, I MEAN, IN GENERAL, UH, I HAVE TO SAY I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF REPAINTING AND GENERALLY, BECAUSE CERTAINLY FROM A HISTORIC STANDPOINT, WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN CHARACTER IN A CERTAIN WAY.
AND AS WE START TO BLEND ALL OF THOSE THINGS TOGETHER THAN, THAN SOME OF THAT, IT BECOMES DIFFICULT TO FIND WHERE'S THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE REASON THAT WE HAVE THE PAINT COLORS THAT, THAT STICK OUT TO ONE SPECIFIC PLACE.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE COLOR PER SE, I'M NOT SURE THE CONTRAST IS QUITE THERE, BUT, UH, I THINK FROM THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND JUST HOW IT, HOW IT'S FRAMED IN THERE, THERE'S A REASON THAT THE COLORS ARE, ARE CHOSEN THERE.
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AND, AND CERTAINLY THE REASON THAT WE HAVE THE PRE, PRE-APPROVED COLORS AND THEN HAVE THE PROCESS TO GET THEM APPROVED IS SO WE DON'T END UP IN A SPOT LIKE THIS.UH, YOU KNOW, DON'T, FROM A PAINT COLOR, IT'S NOT REALLY MY, WHETHER IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT I THINK FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN THE STORY DISTRICT, WE MISS, UH, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE.
AND, AND CERTAINLY AS WE GO FARTHER AND FARTHER AND WE'RE REMOVING MORE AND MORE THINGS HISTORICALLY, UH, I THINK PRESERVING THE ONES WE HAVE LEFT IS IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO, AGAIN, ONLY ONE VOTE ON THIS.
SO I THINK, UM, WE HAVE TO KIND OF COALESCE AROUND WHICH, UH, ASK THEM JUST MAYBE A CO IF WE PICK, LET'S SAY FROM A, JUST FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, LET'S SAY WE, WE DECIDE TO DO ONE APPROVAL.
WHEN IT DOESN'T GET A, AND IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED, WOULD WE COME BACK AND DO ANOTHER ONE? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE IF WE, IF WE, IF WE DO ONE OR THE OTHER AND ONE IS APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED, THEN THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE IN EFFECT.
I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD, UH, SO MANAGE THAT.
BASICALLY THE FIRST CONDITION, AND FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, WOULD BE, UH, THAT YOU VOTING IT DOWN AND PROVIDING THE APPLICANT ON OPPORTUNITY TO PICK A COLOR FROM THE COLOR SCHEME THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON THE SECOND CONDITION WOULD BE APPROVING WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, BUT COMPLETING IT, INCLUDING THE WINDOW TRIM WITHIN 30 DAYS.
YEAH, I GET THAT PART, BUT JUST TRYING, IT'S MORE OF A PROCESS, NO PROCESS, PROCESS QUESTION THAT IF WE, ONE OF US WOULD MOVE FOR EITHER ONE OF THESE, WE TAKE A VOTE ON THAT.
IF THAT FAILS, IF THAT MOTION FAILS, THEN A NEW MOTION CAN BE CONSIDERED.
IF IT PASSES, THEN THAT'S OKAY, WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND YOUR MOTION HAS TO BE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO I THINK I, I, I SAY, I SAY FROM A BOARD STANDPOINT, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE, UH, THE, THE STRONG CONSENSUS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO I, FROM HERE, NOBODY HAS A ANOTHER CONDITION THEY'D WANT PUT IN HERE, RIGHT? THEY SEE THIS AS THESE, THESE TWO OPTIONS ARE IN THERE.
AND IF WE WANT TO TRY TO, UH, I THINK FROM HERE, I THINK IT'S KIND OF STARK.
I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS UP HERE OF WHICH ONE'S WHICH.
BUT WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MO IS THERE OTHER CONVERSATIONS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE, OR WOULD WE LIKE TO TRY TO MAKE A MOTION AROUND THIS AND SEE WHICH WAY WE CAN GO? A QUESTION IN TERMS OF PROCESS, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, THEY CAN START, THEY DON'T HAVE TO START WITH ONE, THEY CAN START WITH TWO AND SAY, I MOVE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, COMPLETE IT WITHIN 30 DAYS.
I, YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE THOUGH A WAIVER FROM THE COLOR SCHEMES, THE PRE-APPROVED COLORS TO CONTINUE WITH IRON ORE.
SO JU-JUST TO CLARIFY, TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT A WAIVER.
UM, YOU, YOU HAVE THE DISCRETION TO APPROVE THIS.
IT'S JUST IN THE WRONG TIME PERIOD.
IT'S NOT PRE-APPROVED IN THE COLOR SCHEME FOR ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION, BUT WE CAN APPROVE IT.
HE'S SAYING WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AS A WAIVER.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE MOTION NUMBER TWO.
I'LL MOVE THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLETE THE FRONT FACING UPPER WINDOW TRIM AND TRICO BLACK AND THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATION BODIES AND IRON ORE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF APPROVAL.
MAKE, SO I'LL, RIGHT, I'LL MOVE THAT.
THE APPLICANT SHALL CHOOSE A PAINT.
ACTUALLY, DO WE HAVE TO DO, BUT OKAY.
THE APPLICANT SHALL CHOOSE A PAINT BODY, BODY PAINT COLOR FROM THE PRE-APPROVED PAINT COLORS, SECTION 3.0 LIST AND REPAINT THE BUILDING AND WELLHOUSE BODIES WITHIN 30 DAYS OF APPROVAL.
THIS WILL REQUIRE, OH, I DON'T NEED TO CONTINUE WITH THAT.
I'LL SECOND MS. PAT MCDANIEL? NO.
DO YOU HAVE A QUE I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I THINK WE CAN ANSWER A QUESTION.
UM, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, SO IT DID NOT PASS, IS THAT WHAT JUST HAPPENED? CORRECT.
SO IT'S THE, IT'S THE FIRST, UH, CONDITION THAT YOU, THAT
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YOU'LL NEED TO REPAINT.SO I, I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS CAN HELP ME THROUGH THIS.
SO THE NEIGHBOR TO MY RIGHT IS WHITE.
SO WOULD YOU, SHOULD I PAINT MY HOUSE ALSO THE SAME COLOR? BECAUSE IT'S IN THE, I MEAN, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFLICTED WITH THIS RESPONSE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD SORT OF BLEND TOGETHER.
AND SO I COULD, I SHOULD CHOOSE A HISTORIC COLOR, COLOR THAT'S WHITE, SO I COULD, OUR HOUSES ARE GONNA BE THE SAME COLOR, SO MM-HMM,
I MEAN, DO YOU THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE GIVEN I, I, THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH.
AND THEN I ALSO HAVE A SECOND QUESTION REGARDING PRECEDENT.
UM, AND CAN I APPEAL THIS DECISION? UH, SO MY NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT IS A DARK, VERY DARK, DARK GREEN.
AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THE IMPROVED COLOR LIST FOR, BUT IT LOOKS WONDERFUL.
SO WHEN THIS COLOR WAS, IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF WHITE AND GREEN, AND THEN THAT RED TO THE LEFT, MM-HMM,
SO NOW I HAVE TO CHOOSE A DIFFERENT COLOR, BUT FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF THE DISTRICT, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK AMAZING AGAINST THESE OTHER HOMES? AND SO I FEEL LIKE THINGS SHOULD SORT OF BLEND AND FOLLOW SUIT, NOT JUST PICK A COLOR BECAUSE IT'S, UM, THE RIGHT COLOR FOR THAT SPECIFIC BUILD AND TIMEFRAME.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, CREATE THE, THE OVERALL CHARM OF THE AREA.
SO IF I PICKED A COLOR, IT MIGHT LOOK TERRIBLE NEXT TO THESE OTHER HOMES.
SO IS THAT, IS, IS THAT THE INTENT OR NO, THE INTENT IS YOU OWN A HISTORIC HOME.
AND THE HISTORIC HOME, UH, IS TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC PART OF IT IS THERE ARE APPROVED COLORS THAT WERE APPROVED FOR THAT HISTORIC HOME.
AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE AESTHETIC OF BLENDING IN WITH THE OTHER NEIGHBORS, ALTHOUGH I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IT'S TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER, THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THE HOME.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO CHOOSE FROM THE PRE-APPROVED PAINT COLORS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC ERA OF YOUR HOME AS OPPOSED TO WHETHER IT BLENDS IN.
SO, SO IS THERE ANY TYPE OF APPEAL PROCESS OR, OR CAN I, CAN WE, CAN PRECEDENT BE REVIEWED? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY A NEIGHBOR IS, HAS A DARK GREEN COLOR.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THE LIST.
I'M JUST CONFUSED WHY THINGS HAPPEN AND OTHER THINGS DON'T
SO I WOULD SAY PROBABLY, I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE YEAH, THE GREEN COLOR CAME FROM, BUT IT CERTAINLY, I WOULD GUESS IT'S BEFORE THE, BEFORE WE HAD THE PRE-APPROVED COLORS, I WOULD SAY I DON'T, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE KNOW WHEN EXACTLY IT WAS, BUT I WOULD'VE TO GO BACK AND LOOK.
SO I WOULD GUESS IT, IT, I DUNNO IF IT DID OR DIDN'T COME, COME BEFORE THE BOARD, BUT IT PROBABLY CAME IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDING, I THINK, UH, WHAT THIS IS PAT MCDANIEL SAID IS, IS CLEAR, BUT CERTAINLY THERE'S A COLOR PALETTE THAT SITS INSIDE OF THAT HISTORIC TIME PERIOD.
SO THERE IS, THERE IS, IT'S NOT WHITE OR OFF WHITE.
I THINK THERE'S A MORE OF AN EARTH TONE.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A RANGE OF COLORS THAT YOU CAN USE INSIDE OF THAT.
SO I, IT, I DON'T THINK IT'S SO NARROW.
I THINK THERE IS A RANGE OF COLORS THAT SIT INSIDE OF THAT.
BUT I THINK AS WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE HISTORIC FIBER INSIDE THE GUIDELINES IS KIND OF PRESCRIBED BY A, BY A CERTAIN THING.
WHY YOUR NEIGHBORS LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I THINK ON THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE, IF THESE ARE APPEALABLE TO BA I'M NOT, I HAVE TO ADMIT I DON'T, I THINK THEY'RE NO, RIGHT.
THE DECISIONS FINE BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS, THIS IS A SOLE DECISION OF THIS BOARD HERE.
SO I DON'T, AT LEAST FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, THERE'S NOT, UH, AN APPEAL MECHANISM.
UM, AND SO FROM THE APPROVED COLOR LIST, IS THAT DUBLIN'S APPROVED COLOR LIST? IT IS, YEP.
SO THE STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU CLEARLY WHAT THE COLORS ARE AND WHAT, WHAT FITS IN THE TIME PERIOD AND, AND WHAT KIND OF, BECAUSE YOURS KIND OF SPANS TWO TIME PERIODS, SO THERE'S SOME WIDER LATITUDE INSIDE OF THAT.
SO YEAH, WORKING WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SEE WHAT THE COLOR PALETTE IS AND WHICH ONE WORKS THE BEST FOR YOUR HOUSE IS, IS, I WOULD SAY IS THE FIRST PLACE.
BECAUSE ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THAT, THEN, THEN THEY CAN APPROVE THE COLORS, THEY CAN APPROVE THE COLORS MORE OR LESS THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE, THROUGH, THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, ACTION.
SO IF THE TIMEFRAME IS RELAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SAY BETWEEN 20 TO 30 YEARS IS, IS, SO I'M GIVING THAT LIST, NOT JUST SPECIFIC TO, I THINK IN THE STAFF REPORT YOU DID TWO DIFFERENT, THERE WERE TWO, IT, IT KIND OF BRIDGED TWO TIME PERIODS, AS I RECALL FROM THE STAFF REPORT.
YEAH, I THINK ITD A COUPLE TIMES.
SO, SO THERE IS A, THERE IS A, A RANGE OF COLORS THAT IN YOUR HOUSE SPANS KIND OF TWO PERIODS.
ASSOCIATED WITH THE TIME PERIOD AND THE DESIGN.
WE WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT COLORS FOR MID-CENTURY MODERN, FOR INSTANCE.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT I UNDERSTAND.
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OKAY.SO, OKAY, SO, UM, WHICH ONE ARE WE ON NOW? HERE WE GO.
SO ON THE NEXT CASE, SO WE HAVE KIND OF, HERE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, I THINK WE'LL TALK ABOUT THESE BOTH TOGETHER, RIGHT? THE THE TWO CASES, YOU'RE GONNA COMBINE THEM INTO ONE.
[Case #24-109PDP & Case #24-110Z]
UH, NUMBER 24 1 0 9 PDP IN CASE NUMBER 24 1 1 0 Z.UH, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON A 0.68 ACRE SITE.
AND FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR REZONING OF THE SITE FROM HDHR, HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL TO HDHP, HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC PUBLIC TO HDC HISTORIC CORE.
UH, THE SITE IS LOCATED ON BOTH SIDES OF NORTH RIVERVIEW AND SOUTH OF NORTH STREET AND NORTH OF OF WING HILL LANE.
UM, AND I THINK JUST MAYBE SOME CLARIFYING COMMENTS HERE.
'CAUSE CERTAINLY WE KNOW THIS IS A, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLEXITY IN THIS CASE.
THERE'S A LOT OF THING, A LOT OF MOVING PARTS GOING ON, UM, WITH THIS CASE TONIGHT.
SO WE WANNA CERTAINLY BE EFFICIENT IN HOW WE GO THROUGH IT, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET TO THE, UH, GET TO THE DETAILS AND MAKE SURE WE GET A GOOD, UH, A GOOD OUTCOME OF THAT.
UH, SO WE WILL ALTER THE CASE ORDER FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, START TONIGHT TO GIVE, UH, TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW, UH, TO GIVE US KIND OF HOW THEY'VE GOT FROM WHERE THEY WERE IN THE PAST TO KIND OF WHERE THEY ARE TODAY.
AND FOR ME, IF I'D ASK MAYBE ON THE, FROM THE BOARD SIDE, IF WE LET THEM GET THROUGH THEIR PRESENTATION FIRST AND NOT INTERRUPT 'EM TO BEGIN WITH.
SO WE CAN KIND OF GET A GOOD FLOW TO THE END AT THE END.
AND WE CAN COMMENT ON KIND OF THE OVERALL, UH, UH, PRESENTATION.
I THINK FROM THERE YOU'LL GO THROUGH YOUR WHOLE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND DO IT KIND OF IN CHUNKS.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PRESENTATION, WE'LL CLARIFY WITH STAFF WHERE WE ARE.
WE'LL KIND OF GO BIT BACK TO THE TOP AND TRY TO TAKE THEM A BIT PIECE AT A TIME SO WE CAN TRY TO BE CLEAR ON IF WE HAVE COMMENTS, CONCERNS, OR QUESTIONS OR OTHER CONDITIONS.
WE CAN KIND OF LIST THEM AS WE GO.
SO FROM THE BOARD STANDPOINT, I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS ON TRACK THAT WE TRY TO STAY FOCUSED KIND OF IN A BOX FOR THE MOMENT, BUT IF THINGS SPREAD OUT THAT HAVE TO TOUCH EACH OTHER, THEN WE DO THAT.
BUT WE'LL TRY TO, WE'LL TRY TO BE EFFICIENT.
AND CERTAINLY IF WE LOOK LIKE WE'RE GETTING OFF TRACK, UH, LET US KNOW HERE.
'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON.
SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND, AND START WITH, UH, A PRESENTATION AND YOUR NAME, ADDRESS FOR, FOR BOTH OF YOU.
GOOD EVENING, MATT DAVIS, 46, 20 HICKORY ROCK DRIVE, POWELL, OHIO, 4 3 0 6 5, UH, TIM LY, UM, FOUR ONE WESTTOWN STREET, UH, COLUMBUS, OHIO.
THERE'S A CLICKER THERE AS WELL IF YOU WANT TO CONTROL YOUR OWN.
I THINK, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR, UH, TWO AND A HALF YEARS I THINK NOW.
SO WE INITIALLY, UH, OBVIOUSLY I THINK YOU KNOW THIS, BUT SOME OF YOU ARE NEWS ONCE WE STARTED, ACTUALLY TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
BUT WE WANNA REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL TO HELP, UH, THE CITY OBVIOUSLY OWNS THE LAND, LAND PUT OUT RFP, AND WE PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD WITH TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING VERY UNIQUE, THAT HONORED.
UM, ATCH ITSELF IS BIG IN HISTORIC RE RESTORATIONS.
I THINK 42 OR 43 PROPERTIES ON OUR HISTORIC RESTORATIONS IN SOME CAPACITY.
SO WITH US IN THAT TWO AND A HALF YEARS, I BET I THINK I'VE COUNTED OVER 90 PEOPLE.
INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE HAVE WORKED ON THIS PROPOSAL AND ADDED VALUE TO IT, INCLUDING MEETING WITH THE CITY, UH, EVERY WEEK FOR SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME, UH, PROBABLY SIX, SEVEN MONTHS OR SO IN ALL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
UH, EACH PERSON ADDED A LOT OF VALUE TO IT TO MAKE IT BETTER AND WHERE IT IS TODAY.
SO I COME TO YOU, MY ASS TONIGHT IS I HOPE TO USE YOUR EXPERTISE TO HOPEFULLY PUT THE LAST FEW TOUCHES ON THE THING AND MAKE IT EVEN BETTER AS WE GO.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS ON AREAS.
SO IS THIS THE FORWARD BACKWARD FORWARD BACKWARDS? YEAH.
AS DO WE HAVE TO THE VIDEO FIRST? I THINK WE WANNA GO TO THE VIDEO FIRST, RIGHT? UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, YOU CAN DO THE, DO THE, SO WE PUT, WE PUT THE TIME TOGETHER TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT IN 3D AND A FLY THROUGH.
SO I WAS GONNA ALLOW THE VIDEO TO ROLL AND ACTUALLY NOT COMMENT ON IT, JUST FOR YOU TO OBSERVE IT, AND THEN MAYBE GO THROUGH IT AGAIN AND GIVE YOU SOME COMMENTARY SO WE COULD FOCUS ON IT.
SO GO AHEAD, BA THIS IS COMING DOWN NORTH STREET, PAST OUR CURRENT LOCATION, NORTH HIGH AND ATCH.
AND WE'LL DO IT AGAIN, AND AS I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH IT.
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UM, SO THERE'S A THREE.SO ON THIS VIEW FROM SOUTH, UH, NORTH, SOUTH STREET DOWN, UH, WE REALLY WANTED TO, I COULD YOU, CAN YOU PAUSE IT WHEN I ASK YOU? UM, SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAD WAS TO, AND REQUEST IS TO ACTIVATE THIS AREA FOR THE PUBLIC.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS, THE RFP.
AND ORIGINALLY IT WAS OUR WHOLE CONCEPT GONNA MAKE THIS AN ENTREPRENEURIAL VILLAGE AND INNOVATION VILLAGE.
AND THIS, THE CITY'S PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT AND ENERGY INTO IT AS WELL.
SO WE WANNA REALLY HIGHLIGHT MAKERS, ARTISTS, FOOD, ET CETERA OVER TIME WITH TRYING TO KEEP THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE OF THESE CURRENT HOUSES.
UM, IT WASN'T FEASIBLE TO DO SOME MAKER SPACES INSIDE OF IT.
SO THOSE SOUTHERN HOUSES WERE SOLD OFF AS RESIDENTIAL, BASICALLY, RIGHT? SO AT THIS FRONT, WE THOUGHT IT WAS SUPER IMPORTANT TO KEEP, UH, ACT NOT ONLY ACTIVATE THE FRONT, BUT TO RESTORE THE ALL FOUR OF THOSE HOUSES PERFECTLY.
SO YOU DON'T SEE ADDITIONS, YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING THEY WANT, YOU WANT THIS TO BE THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE VILLAGE, BUT ALL FOUR OF THOSE HOUSES WILL NOT BE DEDICATED TO ONE INDIVIDUAL PERSON.
THAT MEANS THE WHOLE PUBLIC COULD WALK THROUGH THEM, TORE THEM, SEE THEM, USE THEM.
'CAUSE THIS WILL SET THE HEARTBEAT OF THIS PROJECT OFF.
NOW, FOR US, THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, UH, OBVIOUSLY IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND THERE'S, I LOOK AT THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT GO ACROSS THAT BRIDGE.
THERE'S PEOPLE ON DATES, THERE'S PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN, AND THERE'S PEOPLE EXERCISING WITH DOGS.
I WANNA GIVE ALL THREE OF THOSE GROUPS OF PEOPLE A REASON TO COME DOWN HERE.
AND PART OF THIS SCOPE IS THE CITY IS CONNECTING.
UM, THE PLANS ARE TO CONNECT THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE BACK BEHIND, NO SOLICITING THROUGH THAT WALKWAY WHERE YOU COME OUT RIGHT HERE.
SO IN THAT POINT, YOU WANT THAT FRONT PUBLIC SPACE, WHICH IS THE CITY'S PROPERTY.
WE ARE PROGRAMMING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND OPERATING IT TO CREATE SOME SORT OF PUBLIC SPOT SO THAT THEREFORE YOU, IF YOU MOVE FORWARD, BASSAM THE CITY.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE CITY IS, UM, THE ROADS AND THE BRICK AND THE LIGHTS ARE ALL CITIES, PUBLIC SCOPE.
UM, THOSE ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE BASED ON WHAT THE CITY DECIDES TO DO.
UM, AND THEN WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US IS THAT THIS VIEW, IF YOU STOP RIGHT THERE FROM THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
WE WANNA HONOR THE HISTORY OF THAT RED BUILDING, BUT ALSO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL, FUNCTIONAL.
IT'S ONLY 2000 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? IT'S ONLY 1100 SQUARE FEET PER FLOOR.
SO IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL WITH A RESTAURANT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A KITCHEN, A LOWER FLOOR.
THEREFORE YOU NEED MORE SEATING SPACE AND MAKE IT USABLE.
SO TIM AND ELIZA, I'LL GET IN THE ARCHITECTURE MORE IN THE FUTURE, BUT YOU REALLY WANTED TO SEGMENT THAT BUILDING, GIVE IT A DIFFERENT PLANE TO LOOK AT, UH, AND ALSO MAKE IT USABLE.
UM, A LOT OF ENERGY THEN WAS SPENT ON THE ATCH NEW BUILD, WHICH WAS OUR NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS.
AND PART OF THE OVER ALL EXPANSION, SO YOU'LL SEE FROM THE BACK, IT'S ACTUALLY A WALKOUT.
SO IF THE FRONT IT LOOKS, IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF YOUR D LIKE THE HEIGHTS, EVERYTHING, THE MASSING, THE SCALE, THE SIZES, AND BASSEN DID A FANTASTIC JOB REMINDING 'EM EACH ONE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS EVERY TIME WE DID SOMETHING.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HIT ALL THOSE.
AND THEN FROM THE BACK IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIGGER BECAUSE IT IS A LIKE A WALKOUT BASEMENT, RIGHT? SO AS YOU GO THROUGH IT, SO, UM, INSIDE OF THIS YOU'LL SEE A FUNCTION OF THE LOWER RIGHT WILL HAVE A LARGE MEETING ROOM DURING THE DAY.
UM, SO 60 OR 70 DIFFERENT PEOPLE COULD HAVE A MEETING ON THE RIVER.
UM, THE PARK PLAN IS NOT SHOWN HERE.
I'M GUESSING YOU'VE SEEN THE PUBLIC PROPOSAL FOR SOME OF THE CANOPY WALKS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WILL CONNECT.
THERE'S A LITTLE CONNECTION TO THE RIGHT OF THAT RED HOUSE.
THAT'S INTENDED TO CONNECT TO THE PUBLIC CANOPY, RIGHT WALK.
SO IT INTEGRATES WITH THAT WALK.
GO AHEAD, BASSAM, CONTINUE PLEASE.
AND THEN AS WE MOVE INTO THE STREETSCAPE, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S FAN, I THINK IT'S GORGEOUS.
WE HAVE, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE IN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT EVERY ONE OF THESE HOUSES AND THE HISTORIC ROCK WALLS WILL BE RESTORED WITH COLORS ON THE PROOF COLOR LIST FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE HOUSES,
UM, AND WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE 'EM, LITERALLY DON'T LIKE 'EM, I WILL CHANGE THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE WHAT YOU WANT, RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE THE BEST EXAMPLE, BEST PEOPLE TO TELL US.
LIKE, THIS IS WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, VAST.
I THINK HOW MANY IS REALLY DETAILED WITH EVERYTHING TOO.
WE WANT IT TO BE WHAT YOU GUYS WANT.
UM, AND THEN EVERY ONE OF THOSE HOUSES HAVE A DIFFERENT CUSTOM, A DA ACCESS IN THE BACK, WHICH DRIVES A LOT OF THE PATIO SCAPES, RIGHT? SO WE WANT EVERY INDIVIDUAL PATIO, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE DECK NOW IF YOU WANT.
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OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL PATIOS WILL BE DISTINCT AND DIFFERENT, BUT ALLOWS FOR SOMEONE WHO'S USING THAT HOUSE FOR A RETREAT FOR THE DAY WITH EIGHT PEOPLE TO HAVE A MEETING, TO HAVE A PRIVATE SPACE IN THE BACK.SO THAT'S HOW THOSE HOUSES ARE INTENDED TO BE USED FOR COWORKING OR FOR MEETINGS DURING THE DAY.
SO THE LAST PIECE WE'LL SHOW YOU IN SOME SLIDES IS ACTIVATION OF THE WHOLE AREA.
THE UNIQUE PART OF THIS IS THAT BRIDGE PARK HAS A BEAUTIFUL FARMER'S MARKET, AND ONE OF MY FAVORITES WHO'VE BEEN TO IT'S EIGHT, IT'S NINE, THE NOON THEY SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE STREETS.
WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IN THIS LOCATION TO ACTUALLY SHUT DOWN STREETS AND USE THE YARDS FOR A WEEKEND, AN ART FAIR, A MAKER'S MARKET ALL WEEKEND LONG THAT WILL DRIVE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC.
'CAUSE WHEN WE SURVEYED A LOT OF THE MAKERS WHO WANT TO BE HERE AND ARTISTS, THEIR BIGGEST REQUEST WAS BRAND BUILDING, BRAND AWARENESS, SALES, GETTING THEIR NAME OUT THERE.
THEY HAVE PLACED A MAKE WHAT THEY HAVE, THEY JUST WANT, THEY CAN'T AFFORD BRIDGE PARK, THEY CAN'T AFFORD OTHER THINGS.
SO BY GIVING THEM SOME SPACE TO ACTUALLY SELL AT, WE'LL ACTIVATE AND DRIVE TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR SPACE.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND SWITCHING OVER, UM, THIS IS THE WHOLE AREA.
AND AS PART OF THIS ZONING, IT ORIGINALLY WAS THE ZONES THAT YOU ARE MOVING TO, WHICH YOU MADE 'EM, I THINK RESIDENTIAL NOW I THINK YOU'RE PUTTING 'EM BACK FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN PART OF THE PARCELS WILL BE GIVEN BACK.
IT'S KIND OF, THEY GIVE IT TO US, THEN WE GIVE IT BACK TO YOU FOR THE CITY, FOR THE PARK, IS THAT I'M ASKING, CORRECT ME WHEN I'M DONE.
UM, WHY ISN'T THIS THING WORK? CAN YOU TAP IT? OH, THERE, THERE PUSH HARDER.
UM, AGAIN, THE BACK VIEW, THE FRONT VIEW COMING DOWN AND STOPPING AT THESE VIEWS, WE REALLY LIKE THESE BECAUSE IT SHOWS YOU THAT IT'S STILL, IT'S NOT MASSIVE, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT LOOKS THE EXACT SAME COMING DOWN THAT STREET WITH A LITTLE KIOSK, UH, AS WELL.
UM, WE, ONE OF THE CONCEPTS FOR THE DESIGN TEAM, THE CITY HIRED, WAS TO DO A, A SEPARATE VERSION OF A EUROPEAN STYLE KIOSK THAT DUBLIN USES, HAS SOME OF THAT HISTORY WITH.
SO WE WANT THIS TO BE, THERE WILL BE A LIQUOR LICENSE FOR DORA, GET A COCKTAIL WALK AROUND FOR THE DIFFERENT EVENTS.
WE ALSO PLANT THOSE CARTS WILL ACTUALLY BE STORED AND BROUGHT BACK OUT AS LIKE SOME FIXTURES AND OTHER CARTS WILL COME IN, THINGS LIKE HAWAIIAN ICE OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE SERVED.
UM, AND THIS IS A, A IMAGE OF WHAT THE FARMER'S MARKET HOPEFULLY WILL LOOK LIKE WITH A VIBRANCY IN A VILLAGE, ENJOYING THE SPACE, CONNECTING TO THE PARK, UM, FROM THE STREETSCAPE.
AND ALSO POTENTIALLY WE THREW SOME FOOD TRUCKS EXAMPLE IN THE BACKGROUND AND WE DIDN'T THROW TENTS, BUT I ALSO IMAGINE, I CALL IT A REALLY COOL ART YARD SALE.
SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE INSIDE OF THE HOUSES WHERE WE, IT WILL ON THE WEEKENDS, SINCE THEY WON'T BE OCCUPIED TO ALLOW DIFFERENT MAKERS TO TAKE OVER THAT HOUSE AND SHOWCASE THEIR FURNITURE, THEIR ART, ET CETERA, ALL WEEKEND.
SO IMAGINE A PARADE TO HOMES WALKING THROUGH AND SEEING IT ALL.
SO YOU COULD TELL WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD AT BEING CREATIVE AND UTILIZING SPACES ALL SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
UH, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE GOAL HERE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK I'M TURNING IT OVER TO TIM TO TALK A LITTLE NEED A NEW BATTERY.
UM, SO I'LL LET TIM TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OF WHY WE'RE DOING CERTAIN THINGS.
UM, SO YEAH, SO I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, PRIMARILY THERE ARE FIVE, UH, STRUCTURE, FIVE BUILDINGS THAT WE ARE PRESENTING TONIGHT.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE WE WANNA START WITH IS THE RED HOUSE.
UM, AND MATT, LIKE MATT WAS SAYING, A LOT OF THE DESIGN DECISIONS REALLY, YOU KNOW, DRIVEN BY THE PROGRAMMATIC AND THE FUNCTIONAL NEEDS, UH, FOR THE SPACE.
SO THIS ONE IS GONNA BE A, UH, A, A, A CAFE BAR, UH, RESTAURANT, UH, USE.
AND SO, LIKE MATT WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO FLOOR, ESSENTIALLY.
UM, THEY'RE ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, AND THE KITCHEN IS GONNA BE ACTUALLY AT THE LOWER FLOOR, WHICH ORIGINALLY WAS ON THE TOP FLOOR.
AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO HAVE A WALKOUT, BALCONIES AND ALL THAT.
AND WE TRY TO, TO NOT DO THAT, TO, TO SHOW AS MUCH OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE AS POSSIBLE THE WAY IT IS.
SO WE MOVE THE KITCHEN TO THE BA TO THE LOWER FLOOR, BUT THEN YOU TAKE UP LIKE BASICALLY HALF THE FLOOR, RIGHT? AND THEN THE NEW STAIRCASE THAT IS TO COAT TO, YOU KNOW, TO BRING UP, TO COAT, YOU OCCUPY ANOTHER ONE THIRD OF THE REMAINING SPACE.
SO, SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BUILD A SEATING AREA, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO IT, WHICH IS ABOUT 500 SQUARE FEET THAT YOU SEE THERE.
UM, AND IT'S GONNA BE ON THE LOWER LEVEL.
SO YOU BASICALLY LOOK OUT TO THE TOP.
IF YOU'RE ON THE SIDEWALK, YOU KINDA LOOK OUT TO THE, TO THE ROOF.
AND WE KIND OF COMPRESS THE ROOF SO THAT IT, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T REALLY COMPETE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE RACK CABIN ON THAT, ON THE, THE TOP FLOOR BASICALLY.
AND TRY TO SQUEEZE AS MUCH SPACE AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, THERE.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COMMENT WITH, WITH ONE OF THE, THE, THE COMMENT FROM BASO IS THAT WE NEED TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF A, A, A, UH, A BREAK, A HYPHEN.
SO-CALLED TO, UM, TO, TO SEPARATE THE TWO STRUCTURES.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE, WE GONNA WORK ON THAT FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT, UH, SUBMISSION
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FOR SURE.BUT, UH, IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO IT, EXCEPT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK BETWEEN THEM.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT ESTABLISH THAT THAT RHYTHM OF, YOU KNOW, OF THE RED HOUSE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO TO COME DOWN THE STREET, YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE LOWER, YOU KNOW, ADDITION.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ABOUT 20 SOME FEET AWAY.
YOU HAVE THE NEW BUILD ON THE SIDE THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, IN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THE, I DIDN'T MENTION THE RULING.
ONE OF THE THINGS I SKIPPED OVER IN THE BACK TOO.
SORRY, CAN YOU HIT IT?
ONE MORE, ONE MORE, ONE MORE, ONE MORE.
SO YEAH, THAT PROBABLY YOU CAN, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE AS YOU GET TO THE OTHER HOUSE IS THIS, IS THERE, THERE'S UNDERNEATH THE NEW BUILD, THERE'S, I DIDN'T POINT OUT THERE'S ACTUALLY, WHAT ARE WE CALLING 'EM? BASSAM RUINS.
IT USED TO BE DESCRIBE WHAT IT WAS REMAINS.
UM, AND WE THINK IT'S, THIS WAS AN OLD TANNERY, SO THERE'S SOME OTHER, AND WE ACTUALLY PUT A SPAN BENEATH IT.
SO AS TIM DESCRIBES HOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS HOUSE, AND YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE STONE WALKWAYS, IS THAT YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE RIGHT.
AND IT'S FUN TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO YEAH, SO, SO TO COME TO FINISH THE RED HOUSE, SO OBVIOUSLY WE TALK ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL ON THE, ON THE LOWER FLOOR, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A, A SECOND LOWER FLOOR THAT IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY THERE'S A, THE BASEMENT OF THE RED HOUSE, AND WE TRY TO ALSO UTILIZE IT AND THEN BECOMES A, A, UH, OUTDOOR, YOU KNOW, COVER DECK ESSENTIALLY, THAT YOU KIND OF SEE THAT IN THIS, UH, IMAGE ON THE, ON THE LOWER, UH, RIGHT HAND CORNER THERE.
CAN YOU GO BACK AGAIN? SORRY, I THREW TIM OFF WITH MY, UH, MY RUIN THING.
SO THIS SECTION KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TELL THE STORY OF THE THREE LEVELS OF THE, OF THE RED CAP AND BASICALLY, SO YOU HAVE THE TOP LEVEL, YOU HAVE THE LOWER LEVEL IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BA THE OLD BASEMENT.
AND, UM, AND SO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE IS THAT WE WANT TO UTILIZE THE SPACE THAT WAS UNDER THE, BASICALLY THE, THE COVER BALCONY.
THE COVER BALCONY AT THE BOTTOM THAT ACTUALLY IS TALL ENOUGH TO BE OCCUPIABLE SPACE AS THE BAR.
AND THEN WE OPEN UP TO A, A, A, A COVER, UH, PATIO ESSENTIALLY AT THE, AT THAT LOW LEVEL.
SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT IS SHOWING THERE.
UM, AND THEN LET'S SEE, THESE THINGS, THEY SLEEP OR SOMETHING.
SO THIS ONE KIND OF SHOW YOU THE, THE, THE EAST ELEVATION OF ALL THE, ALL THE LEVELS.
AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, WE ARE GONNA, ONE OF THE MAIN THING ABOUT THIS ELEVATION IS REALLY THAT WE ARE, WE ARE BASICALLY A, UH, REBUILDING THAT WITH THAT EAST, UH, CAL, UH, BALCONY, UM, THAT WAS THERE, UH, RIGHT NOW THAT IS, IS NOT REALLY WELL BUILT.
AND ALSO IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY ORGANIZED, LET'S SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TWO LEVELS IS DIFFERENT, THE WINDOWS ALL DIFFERENT, AND THEY ARE, SOME OF THEM ARE NOT EVEN LEVELS.
UM, AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF IN A WAY LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE OF IT AND WE PROBABLY HAVE TO REINFORCE A LOT OF IT.
AND THEN WE WANT TO CREATE A MORE ORGANIZED, UH, ELEVATION ON THE, ON THE BACK THAT, THAT WE FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE, YOU KNOW, IT'S SIMPLER.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF THE, THE, THE, THE CHAOS IF YOU WILL ON, ON THAT.
UH, IT'S EXISTING, UM, ELEVATION.
SO THAT'S KIND OF, UM, THE MAIN THINGS THAT, THAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO THERE.
MY FAVORITE PART ABOUT THIS, THIS PROPERTY AS WE'RE DOING IT, IS IT'S GONNA GO FROM SOMETHING THAT'S LITERALLY WOULD FALL DOWN PRETTY SOON AND HIDDEN IN A BUNCH OF TREES TO THE MOST SEEN AND USED BUILDING IN THE TOWN.
LIKE WHEN IT'S DONE, IT'LL PROBABLY THE MOST POPULAR PLACE TO SIT AND LOOK AT.
AND THE WHOLE TOWN WILL BE ABLE TO ENJOY THIS ONE STRUCTURE WHEN IT'S DONE.
THE, UH, THE RACCOON, UNFORTUNATELY, WE CANNOT STAY THERE.
WHEN MORE RACCOON, UM, WE HAVE A, THERE'S A TUNNEL THAT THEY, THEY DIG THROUGH THE, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, THEY GET IN AND OUT OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS FUNNY.
UM, SO ANYWAY, SO THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OBVIOUSLY ON THE SIDEWALK THAT YOU CAN KIND OF LOOK AT THE HOUSE.
SO WE, WE CAP BASICALLY THAT FACADE OF THE HOUSE ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, PRETTY MUCH THE WAY YOU KNOW, IT IS.
AND THEN LIKE YOU CAN SEE ON THE, ON THE FAR EAST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, UH, RECONFIGURATION OF THAT COVER, UH, BALCONY THERE.
AND THEN AT, AT THE VERY LOW LEVEL, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT ROOF THERE, UH, OF THE, OF THE COVER PATIO THAT, UM, HAD A KIND OF LIKE A, A ALMOST LIKE A PATINA COPPER,
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YOU KNOW, MEANS COLOR ROOF THAT WE THINK THEY WOULD PLAN IN REALLY WELL WITH THE WOODS, UH, AT THE BACK THERE.AND THEN, SORRY, ON THE RED HOUSE, JUST THE ONE CHANGE YOU MIGHT SEE NEXT TIME IS THAT ON THE LEFT CURRENT PLAN, I THINK SHOWS THE DOOR ON THE LEFT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND THE ORIGINAL DOORS ON THE RIGHT, MOST LIKELY THE DOOR'S GONNA MOVE BACK TO THE RIGHT ON THE NEXT VERSION OPERATIONALLY.
JUST, IT'S JUST WHERE ALL THE FLOW OF PEOPLE IN AND OUT.
SO MOST LIKELY THAT GABLE THAT WAS PUT ON THE TOP LEFT RIGHT, WILL EITHER MOVE TO THE RIGHT OR BE ELIMINATED BASED OFF WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR SOME OF THAT, JUST SO YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED, LIKE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
AND THEN, BUT THE WINDOW ON THE LEFT WAS WE, THEY STILL A RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAKE IT SQUARE AND IT'LL LOOK LIKE IT IS NOW WITH NO DOLLAR.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE, UM, ONE OF THE BIGGER STRUCTURE OF THE WHOLE PROPOSAL, OBVIOUSLY.
AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE SECOND TIME SOME OF YOU, YOU KNOW, UH, SEE THIS, UH, PROPOSAL.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE WHAT WE SAID ABOUT THE RED CABIN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS IS DRIVEN BY THE, THE FUNCTIONAL REQUIREMENT.
SO WE, WE WILL NEED TO BUILD A, UM, A BASICALLY OFFICE SPACE IS KIND OF LIKE THE CO HATCH RIGHT NOW, EXCEPT IT'S BIGGER.
AND THE MAIN THING IS REALLY THE, THE EVENT SPACE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS NEED TO HOLD ABOUT 80 PEOPLE.
AND SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE, AND THE, THE PREVIOUS STRATEGY IS IT, THE ORGANIZATION IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW LAST TIME.
YOU KNOW, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE QUITE LARGE.
IT'S GONNA, IT'S ABOUT 60 FEET BY 120 FEET, SO IT'S PRETTY BIG.
AND SO OUR STRATEGY IS REALLY HOW DO YOU BREAK IT UP INTO SMALLER MASSES AND, YOU KNOW, BY, BY, UH, USING THE GABLES, UH, FACING DIFFERENT DIRECTION TO MAKE IT INTO FOUR SMALLER HOUSES, IF YOU WILL, WITH, AND THEN IT CONNECTED WITH A SMALL FLAT ROOF AREA WITH THE PYRAMID PIT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGER, UM, GABLE, THIS IS THE BIGGEST GABLE REALLY ON IN THE WHOLE NEW BUILD.
AND THE, AND IT WAS REALLY DRIVEN BY THIS, THE, THE WIDTH OF THE, OF THE EVENT SPACE BELOW.
AND THEN AS YOU GO UP AND THE, AND WE WANT TO BASICALLY MATCH THE, THE SLOPE OF THE GABLE WITH ALL THE OTHER, UM, UH, ROOF IN THE, IN THE SAME, UH, STRUCTURE.
SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS.
AND THEN WE TAKE MANY, UM, VERSION OF THE, OF THE DESIGN TO, TO, TO CREATE THIS, UM, FACADE THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, SOME OPENING AND SOME, UH, DEPTH AND ALSO SOME ACTIVITY AND SOME, UH, KIND OF INTEREST WITH THE, WITH THE USE OF THE BALCONIES AND THE, AND THE, AND THE MAIN, UH, ENTRY AND, AND AND ALL THAT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A, A CHIMNEY, UM, THAT ACTUALLY IS GONNA BE A, A REAL CHIMNEY, UH, THAT WILL HAVE INSIDE THE, THE BUILDING THAT, THAT WE KIND OF WANT TO BRING BACK SOME OF THOSE, UH, OLDER, UH, MORE HISTORIC HOME YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH A, WITH A STONE IN IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A MIX OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MODERN INTERPRETATION OF A, UH, OF, OF A VERNACULAR, UM, STRUCTURE THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SCALE THAT HOPEFULLY WOULD BREAK IT DOWN INTO A SMALLER, MORE HUMAN, YOU KNOW, SCALE THAT IS, UH, WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE, WITH THE HOUSES ACROSS, YOU KNOW, THE STREET, BASICALLY.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT KIND OF GO DOWN THERE.
AND WE, WE WORK ON THAT GABLE A LITTLE BIT, UM, UH, LATER.
AND THEN, SO THIS IS BASICALLY THE ELEVATION FACING THE STREET.
SO, SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A, A ONE STORY STRUCTURE ON THE, ON THE STREET, AND THEN IT GO DOWN ANOTHER LEVEL, OBVIOUSLY AS YOU GO DOWN THE SLOPE, UH, THERE.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN, AS YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF LINE, YOU HAVE UPS AND DOWN AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SHAPE TO CREATE THAT, UM, THAT DYNAMIC, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I WAS A STICKLER FOR LIKE, WE WANT TO ADD CHIMNEYS, WORKING CHIMNEYS SMOKE, AND THEN WE OWN, YOU KNOW, 56 NORTH HIGH, AND THAT CHIMNEY ON THAT'S ICONIC AND THAT RED HOUSE IS ICONIC.
SO I THINK THERE'S, I PERSONALLY, I'M NOT A ARCHITECT, BUT I LOVE THE SYMMETRY BETWEEN THE RED HOUSE AND THE 56 NORTH HIGH AND THE STONE CHIMNEYS AND ALL THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN IT, BECAUSE YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT IT LIKE ONE LARGE, LIKE ALL THE FITTING TOGETHER IN ONE VILLAGE.
SO, SO THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND THEN AS YOU GO AROUND, SO THIS IS THE, THE BIGGER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, FACADE FACING THE FACING THE PART, ESSENTIALLY THE WOOD.
SO MOST OF IT WOULD BE PROBABLY COVERED BY THE TREES, UH, FROM ACROSS THE, THE RIVER, OR EVEN PROBABLY FROM THE BRIDGE, FROM THE LINK BRIDGE.
SO, BUT WE KIND OF, WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ERASE SOME OF THE TREE IN FRONT OF SO WE CAN ACTUALLY SHOW THE BUILDING TO YOU GUYS
UM, BUT THE IDEA IS REALLY YOU LOOK OUT AND YOU REALLY SEE YOU ARE IN THE WOOD, ESSENTIALLY.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE IDEA.
SO THIS SIZE, YOU CAN SEE YOU HAVE THAT, THAT, THAT WIDE BASE, YOU KNOW.
AND, UH, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A WALKOUT, UH, DECK, UM, YOU KNOW, FACING THE EAST SIDE
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WITH A OUTDOOR, UM, FIREPLACE AS YOU CAN SEE THERE.UM, AND, UH, AND THEN, SO, AND, AND THAT DECK ALSO IS CONNECTED TO THE WRECK CABIN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A RAMP THAT COME DOWN AND GO ACROSS TO THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, AND THERE'S, THERE'S STEPS THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, STILL REFINING BETWEEN TWO BUILDING TO, UH, TO GO DOWN, YOU KNOW, TO FROM THE STREET TO THE LOWER LEVEL AND ALSO TO THE FUTURE PARK.
AND ALSO TO THE, TO THE, TO THE REMAIN OF THE, THE, THE STONE STRUCTURE.
AND UNDER US, AND ALSO TIM, THAT THE FUNCTIONALLY OF HOW HE DID IT, WHICH WAS BRILLIANT AS FAR AS LIKE THE ELEVATORS IN THE NEW BUILD THAT GIVES YOU EIGHT A ACCESS OVER TO THE LOWER LEVEL DECKS, AND ALSO THE CANOPY WALK, WHICH WILL BE HOPEFULLY A DA AS WELL.
SO ALL THAT CONNECTIVITY HAD TO BE CONSIDERED WITH DOING IT.
AND I'M A, AGAIN, I'M, I THINK THE MOST, I KNOW THIS IS ARCHITECTURE AND REVIEWING ALL THIS STUFF, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY BEAUTIFUL ABOUT, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SIT THERE HOW IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO AND LOOK UP AND STILL SEE LIKE AC MARRIOTT ACROSS, YOU'LL BE IN THE WOODS HEARING BIRDS CHIRP IN THE MIDDLE OF HISTORIC DISTRICT EXPERIENCING LIKE THAT, BUT STILL GETTING TO LOOK UP AND SEE THE BRIDGE.
SO IT'S LIKE WE SPEND A LOT OF, CAN'T TELL.
WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT HOW TO MAKE, MAKE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.
UH, THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU PROBABLY NOTICE IS THAT WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF OUTDOOR SPACE ON THE BUILDING TO KIND OF ACTIVATE THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THE WHOLE POINT ABOUT THIS WHOLE EX, THIS WHOLE MASTER PLAN IS TRYING TO ACTIVATE THE WHOLE, UM, DISTRICT AND THE WHOLE, OR THE WHOLE AREA, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE BLOCK HERE.
SO, UH, IF YOU GO TO KATCH IN, IN A WARMER MONTH, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE BALCONY OF THE KATCH IS THE ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR SPACE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE MEMBERS LIKE TO SPEND TIME THERE.
AND SO WE MAKE AN EFFORT TO REALLY CREATE A LOT OF THIS BALCONY THAT HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WOULD ENJOY BEING OUTSIDE, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, TRAPPED INSIDE AIR CONDITIONING SPACE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THERE.
UM, WE ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGE OF, OF THIS BUILDING OBVIOUSLY IS THE MECHANICAL SYSTEM.
HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY DO THAT? ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY WE CAN PUT THE UNIT ON THE ROOFTOP, BUT BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS SO LOW, IT'S VERY FEASIBLE FROM THE CURRENT CO HATCH, WE CAN SEE THE ROOF VERY WELL.
AND SO WHAT WE DID IS THAT WE CREATE TWO MECHANICAL YARD ON THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT STEP DOWN FROM THE STREET.
SO YOU KIND OF SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT, UM, AT THE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN POINT, BUT, UH, IS ON THE SIDE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF RIGHT THERE BY THE CHIMNEY, ACTUALLY, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TIE SOME OF THOSE MECHANICAL SYSTEM.
AND THEN THE SIMILAR THINGS ACTUALLY ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A FEW OF THAT, BUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE ALSO HAVE A SIMILAR YARD ON THE, ON THE LOWER LEVEL.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, ACTUALLY IT'S THE, THE TRASH, UH, ENCLOSURE, THE, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE THAT WILL BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE THERE THAT BE FROM A TRA FROM A TRASH USE PERSPECTIVE, SINCE WE HAVE 56 NORTH HIGH, THE OTHER RED CABIN WILL HAVE MORE OF A FOOD RESTAURANT USE.
THE OTHER ARE VERY LOW TRASH, UM, USES.
AND BY OUR, LIKE, WE ONLY DO A COUPLE PICKUPS A WEEK.
WE PLAN ON USING THE TRASH BIN BEHIND THE NORTH HIGH MORE FREQUENTLY, PICKED UP TWICE AS MUCH PICKUP EVERY DAY, AS WELL AS THE TRASH ENC CLOSER ON THE SOUTH PICKED UP, WHICH SHOULD.
AND THEN IF WE DON'T, WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH SOME OTHER NEIGHBORS TO HAVE A MORE TOTAL SOLUTION FOR THE VILLAGE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH CAPACITY AVAILABLE WITH OR WITHOUT THOSE AGREEMENTS.
SO YEAH, SO THAT IS THE, THAT'S THE EASE ELEVATION THAT IS OBVIOUSLY BIGGER THAN THE OTHER ONE.
UM, AND THEN YOU ALSO SEE THE FOUNDATION WALLS AND THE PIERS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BUILDING THAT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, UM, WERE ABLE TO GO AROUND THE, THE REMAIN THAT, THAT, THAT WAS THERE.
WE DO ENVISION THAT, AGAIN, WORKING WITH THE CITY, EARLY CONCEPT IS THE PARK DESIGN WOULD INTEGRATE TO THOSE RUINS, AND YOU WOULD LIGHT IT FROM ABOVE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
AND THEN WE CAN'T REALLY DESIGN THE LANDSCAPING SUPER WELL YET.
WE WILL, BUT UNTIL YOU'RE CO YOU'RE CUTTING OUT, GRANT, YOU'RE CUTTING OUT ROCK.
SO LEAVING SOME OF THE ROCK TO SIT ON SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF TO USE, GIVE YOU A NATURAL LANDSCAPE ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT.
IT'S JUST, WE GOTTA GET IN THERE A LITTLE BIT TO TWEAK
AND SO THIS IS BASICALLY THE VIEW LOOKING BACK, YOU KNOW, ON, UM, LOOKING BACK TO THE NORTH OF ON, UH, THE, UH, NORTH RIVER VIEW THERE.
UM, AND IN THE FRONT OF BUILDING, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, THE, THE KNEE WALL, THE STONE STONEWALL, AND THOSE ARE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS THAT WE KIND OF HAVE WITH, WITH BASSAM AND, AND THE STAFF TO SEE HOW WE CAN DO THAT.
BECAUSE CURRENTLY THE, THE NEW SIDEWALK THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT BY THE CITY IS GONNA BE ACTUALLY IN THE SAME SPACE AS SOME OF THOSE STONEWALL.
AND SO, UM, SO WE, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO RECREATE THE, SOME OF THAT ON THE SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK, UM, THAT WE WILL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD OVER IT, UNFORTUNATELY.
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SO WE, WE TRY TO, IF IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN, HAVE YOU WALKED BY THERE, 80% OF THE STONES ARE GONE.SO PEOPLE ARE LOOTING 'EM AND STEALING 'EM.
SO LIKE, THEY'RE NOT REALLY THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO LIKE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WE WILL, WE ARE VERY FLEXIBLE.
WE'LL MOVE 'EM, WE WILL STACK 'EM, WE WILL PUT 'EM IN THE FRONT.
WE WILL DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
SO IT'S JUST AS WE, AS THE CITY LOOKS AT THIS FINAL PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE DIRECTION ABOUT THE GUIDANCE OF WHAT WE WANT.
LIKE, WE'LL, WE'RE VERY FLUID ON THAT.
I KNOW IT'S, UH, ONE OF THOSE TOPICS THAT'S HARD TO GET RIGHT.
AND THEN WE HAVE THOSE THREE HOUSES.
UM, AND THOSE THREE HOUSES, I WOULD SAY WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO MAINTAIN IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, WITH, WITH SOME MINOR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ADJUSTMENT THAT MAKE IT MORE USABLE, YOU KNOW, SO THESE ARE GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, RENOVATION FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE VERY LIMITED SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF THEM, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM ARE LESS THAN A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, UH, FPL, UH, UH, FOOT, UH, UH, FOOTPRINT.
UM, AND WE, WE WOULD NEED TO MAXIMIZE SOME OF THE CEILING HEIGHT TO BASIC, GET RID OF THE VERY SMALL ATTIC SPACE, UM, SO THAT WE CAN'T, 'CAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY USE IT ANYWAY.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST ONE, THE, WE CALL IT THE 37, I BELIEVE, UM, THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, UH, RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THAT WE ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE THE SIDE PORCH RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE A SIDE PORCH, AND THEN WE HAVE A FRONT PORCH THAT'S NOT COVERED.
AND WE FEEL LIKE IT'S PROBABLY MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO ACTUALLY, UH, CREATE THAT PORCH THAT WRAP AROUND THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE TO KIND OF CREATE A MORE INVITING AND, AND A MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH, WITH THE FRONT BEING HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TEXTURE AND MORE DEPTH TO THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THERE.
UM, WE ARE ALSO CHANGING THE, THE, THE ROOF AT THE BACK OF THE, OF THE MAIN HOUSE, BECAUSE IT IS TOO LOW SIMPLY RIGHT NOW.
SO WE NEED TO RAISE IT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT CHANGING THE PROFILE TOO MUCH, BUT MAKE IT USABLE, BASICALLY.
BUT TOO LOWLY MEANS SIX FOOT, SIX
WELL, NOT, LIKE, NOT LIKE EIGHT FOOT, LIKE SIX FOOT.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE CLOSE TO SEVEN AND A HALF FEET RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL CHALLENGING, OBVIOUSLY.
SO, BUT WE, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO THAT IS, UH, WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE, UH, ON THE, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND ALSO ON THE, ON THE EAST ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE MAIN ELEVATION THAT YOU SEE THAT HAS THAT WRAPAROUND PORCH.
AND THE OTHER THING ABOUT A PORCH IS THAT WE ARE, UM, WE TRY TO KIND OF MAKE IT MORE OPEN.
SO WE KIND OF, WE ACTUALLY GET RID OF THE, THE RAILING RIGHT NOW THAT IS, THAT IS ONLY LIKE ABOUT TWO FEET TALL, AND WE CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
IT'S NOT TOO COLD, YOU KNOW, BY ANY MEANS.
SO WE BASICALLY GET RID OF IT, KIND OF MAKE IT MORE OPEN, AND THEN WE, WE, WE CREATE THE LANDSCAPE AROUND IT TO, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT SO THAT YOU ACTUALLY DON'T NEED THAT GUT RAIL BECAUSE OF THE, THE HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE MANAGE THE HEIGHT, UH, BETWEEN THE, THE, THE, THE PATIO OR THE PORCH AND THE, AND THE LANDSCAPE BELOW THAT.
SO THAT IS THAT THIS HOUSE ALSO HAS A LOT OF WINDOWS THAT IS PROBABLY NOT ORIGINAL AND A PROPORTION IS REALLY NOT RIGHT.
SO, UH, SO WE ARE WORKING WITH, WITH, WITH THE STAFF TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, REFINING SOME OF THOSE AND, AND REALLY, UH, MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORIC OR, OR MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE HISTORIC STYLE.
UH, LET'S SAY SOME OF THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SIX OVER ONE THAT IS JUST NOT THE RIGHT PROPORTION.
SO YOU CAN SEE, AND SOME OF THEM WE PROBABLY WOULD STILL NEED TO, TO TWEAK TO, TO MAKE IT, UH, MORE OPTIMIZED.
BUT, BUT THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, AN EXERCISE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO KIND OF LOOK AT THOSE WINDOWS THAT IS IN A REALLY BAD SHAPE.
THE NICE THING ABOUT IT BEING, IT'S GONNA BE EXPENSIVE PER SQUARE FOOT, AT LEAST THEY'RE SMALL.
SO MY DIRECTION, LIKE WHAT I WANT IS EVERY D TO BE PERFECT, RIGHT? SO TIME PERIOD, PERFECT STONE.
IF THERE'S A, I DON'T WANNA SEE CMU IF IT WASN'T AVAILABLE, PUT STONE BACK.
SO LIKE, IF YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO TWEAK ON IT, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT THESE THINGS TO BE, YOU KNOW, WELL DONE.
SO THAT'S THE BACKSIDE ON WING HILL AND BLACK BLACKSMITH.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A PATIO AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE WORKING ON A SIGNAGE ACTUALLY AT THAT CORNER THAT YOU'LL SEE NEXT TIME, UH, AT THAT, AT THAT CORNER THERE.
UM, AND THEN YOU GO BACK TO NORTH RIVER RIVERVIEW.
AND SO THIS IS THE, THE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE, THE, UH, 45, UH, HERE.
AND, UM, AGAIN, WORKING WITH BASSAM, UM, AND REALLY TRY TO, TO, UM, RESTORE, YOU KNOW, THE VERY SMALL PORCH AND TRY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, UH, IN A WAY, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE WITH THE, WITH SOME OF THE, WITH SOME OF THE COLOR, THE TRIM AND THE, THE SHAPE.
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THINK, I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY NICE, UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE, WE DO THAT, SO ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE KIND OF MODIFY THE, THE PORCH THAT WAS PROBABLY USED TO BE OPEN AT ONE POINT, AND THEY COVER IT IN A, IN A VERY HAPHAZARD WAY, AND WE KIND OF, WE REORGANIZED.SO WHAT YOU SEE IN, IN THE ELEVATION ON THE, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THERE IS, UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT YOU CAN SEE THE, A SERIES OF KIND OF A, A TRIM AND APPEARS ESSENTIALLY THAT, THAT, THAT CONNECT TO THE PORCH AT THE VERY END OF IT.
SO, UM, SO THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH, BAM, TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, REFINE THIS, THIS, UM, DETAIL.
UM, SO LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE? OH, THIS ONE ALSO, UM, AND AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO REALLY SAVE AS MUCH OF THESE AS POSSIBLE HISTORICALLY.
SO THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE HAS A, A REALLY COOL METAL, UH, SENSOR METAL ROOF THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYMORE.
UM, AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO SAVE THAT, UM, AND, AND REALLY WORK AROUND THAT.
AND ONE OF THE TRICKY THING IS REALLY THAT THERE'S A CHIMNEY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE ROOF IN THE, IN THE, IN THE RIDGE AND THE, THE, THE CHIMNEY.
IT'S NOT, IT, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE IN AN ANGLE IF YOU'RE INSIDE THE HOUSE AND IT'S JUST NOT REALLY WELL SUPPORTED.
SO, BUT THEN WE CAN'T REALLY GET RID OF THE CHIMNEY WITHOUT HAVING TO PATCH THE ROOF.
SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE CHIMNEY, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA CREATE A STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH THAT TO SUPPORT IT PROPERLY.
SO WE'LL STILL BE THERE AND IT WOULD BE STABLE, BUT THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO PATCH THE ROOF.
SO IT'S TRYING TO TRY TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC DETAILS AS, AS POSSIBLE, AS PRACTICALLY POSSIBLE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE LITTLE DETAIL THAT I THINK IS INTERESTING.
UM, AND THEN AT THE END, WE HAVE THE, THE LAST HOUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, 53.
UM, AND THIS HOUSE HAS ITS OWN PROBLEM.
IT'S, IT'S, IT, AGAIN, IS, IS ADDED ON OVER TIME.
AND ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT WAS ADDED ON, UM, IS THE, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE PORTION IN THE BACK.
AND IF YOU GO THERE, YOU'LL SEE IT'S VERY, VERY LOW AND IT'S REALLY NOT WELL BUILT, AND THE, THE ROOF DOESN'T JUST BARELY WORK.
AND SO WE BASICALLY CHANGED THE, THE PROFILE OF THE ROOF TO KIND OF POP IT UP AND KIND OF BASICALLY CREATE A, A MANED ROOF AT THAT CORNER THERE.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE, UH, MAYBE THE ELEVATION YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BETTER.
UM, SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE, LET'S SEE, THIS ONE ACTUALLY, THIS TWO ELEVATION DOESN'T SHOW THAT VERY WELL.
IT'S ACTUALLY AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
SO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UM, ONE OF THE THING ALSO IS THAT THEY HAVE A, A, A PORCH, A COVER PORCH THAT HAS A REALLY, REALLY LOW CEILING.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT REALLY TO COAT AND HOW WE CAN USE IT.
AND SO WHAT WE DID HERE IS THAT WE ACTUALLY TAKE THE CUE OF THE PERIOD OF THE STRUCTURE IT, WHICH IS A, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A CRAFTSMAN'S, YOU KNOW, STYLE PERIOD.
AND WE KIND OF ACCENTUATE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT DETAIL TO CREATE AN OPEN GABLES, UH, AT THE, AT THE, UH, AT THE PORCH THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE.
SO IF I GO BACK A FEW SLIDES, YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE THAT, THAT THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE, SO YOU CAN KINDA SEE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THE RENDERING THERE, THAT, UM, HAVE THAT DETAIL THAT'S OPEN, UH, WE'LL KEEP THE STRUCTURE, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WILL ADD SOME, SOME OF THE, THE, THE TRIM AND THE, THE SUPPORT THERE.
THIS, THIS THE, LET GO ONE MORE.
THIS HOUSE ALSO HAS, IF YOU WOULD SAY, A GAME OF WHERE'S WALDO? THE, UH, THE DOOR WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE LEFT OR THE WINDOW AS THE DOOR GOT SHIFTED, THE RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
THE OTHER WINDOW WAS, SO YOU COULD WALK IN THE CENTER OF THE HOUSE YES.
WHERE IT WAS ACTUALLY YOU GO LEFT OR RIGHT.
AND MAKE THE BUILDING FUNCTIONAL.
YOU PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL IT, BUT THE, THE DOOR AND THE WINDOW SWITCHED.
AND WE ALSO SENT HER SOME OF THE WINDOW THAT WAS NOT CENTER IN THE GABLE.
SO, SO THIS IS, THIS IS ALL THE LITTLE DETAIL.
I MEAN, I, I KNOW WE HAVE, THERE'S A LOT LIMITED TIME, BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I'M SUPER BASO HAS SOMETHING TO CAN ADD TO THAT, QUITE ALL THE THINGS WE MISSED.
UH, I MEAN, I THINK WE'LL GO THROUGH THE STAFF, BUT THEN WHEN, WHEN THE STAFF'S DONE, I THINK MAYBE BOTH OF YOU COME UP AND WE WORK KIND OF THROUGH IT.
SO, AS YOU MAY HAVE GUESSED, THIS PROJECT IS PRETTY COMPLICATED WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS IN HERE.
SO WE'LL, UH, TAKE IT PIECE BY PIECE.
BUT, UH, GENERALLY KIND OF DESCRIBE THE AREA A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF THE CONTEXT AND, AND THE IMPETUS FOR, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
THIS IS, UH, AS YOU KNOW, THIS PART OF, UH, UH, HISTORIC DUBLIN WAS SOMEWHAT NEGLECTED WHEN BACK IN THE 1930S, THE BRIDGE WAS REBUILT OVER THE SCIOTO RIVER, AND IT SEVERED THE CONNECTION BETWEEN SOUTH RIVERVIEW AND NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET.
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SO OVER TIME, THOSE PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, OF THE BRIDGE HAVE GOTTEN ISOLATED AND HAVE BEEN IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR FOR A LONG TIME.SO IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR CITY COUNCIL TO BREED SOME MORE, FIND WAYS TO BREED MORE LIFE INTO THESE PROPERTIES.
AND SO, UH, THE CITY WENT INTO AN EFFORT AND, UH, TO ACQUIRE, UM, THESE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, PLUS THREE HOUSES THAT YOU'VE SEEN, UH, UH, OVER TIME OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS HERE, THAT WERE EVENTUALLY AUCTIONED OFF WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF AN IMPROVEMENT HERE, AS WELL AS SOME, UH, DESPERATELY NEEDED INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA AS WELL.
SO THE, UH, AS WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, OR THE CITY WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THERE WERE CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS IN TERMS OF, UM, WORKING WITH ANY POTENTIAL DEVELOPER, AND, UH, ALSO A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON TRYING TO PRESERVE THE, UH, HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
THE, UH, PROPERTY IN QUESTION OF THE PARCELS IN QUESTION, UH, REALLY RIGHT NOW, UH, SIX SEPARATE PARCELS OR PORTIONS OF PARCELS.
SO THE THREE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET ARE THEIR OWN PARCELS.
THEY EXIST THERE, THEY'VE HAD THOSE HOUSES ON, ON FOR A LONG TIME.
ON THE EAST SIDE, THERE ARE SOME VERY DEEP PARCELS THAT GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE RIVER AND ALL OWNED BY THE CITY STILL.
AND THE, UH, AS PART OF THE, UH, PROCESS, THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE THE MINIMUM POSSIBLE CONVEYED TO THE APPLICANT TO SO AS TO PRESERVE AS MUCH, UH, LAND FOR PUBLIC SPACE AND PUBLIC ACCESS, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO EVENTUALLY THIS WILL BE SPLIT OFF THE, THE EAST SIDE, RELATIVELY SIMILAR TO THE BOUNDARIES THAT YOU SEE IN HERE.
AND THE REST OF IT WOULD STAY AS, UH, CITY OWNED LAND AND BECOME PART OF THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
SO IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL PROCESS, THE APPROVAL AND REVIEW PROCESS, UM, THIS IS A MULTI-STEP PROCESS.
UH, THE A RB, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD SAW A VERY INFORMAL APPLICATION BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2023, WHICH KIND OF SET THE THEME AND GOT POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS.
AND I WOULD SAY IT'S, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THAT THEME WAS AT THE TIME.
UH, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION AT THE TIME ABOUT THE, UH, ZONING BECAUSE THE CURRENT ZONING IS NOT, DOES NOT ALLOW THE TYPES OF USES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED IN HERE.
AND THE BOARD AT THE TIME WAS SUPPORTIVE OF REZONING.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, AND SO AT THAT TIME, IT ACTUALLY INCLUDED THE THREE HOUSES TO THE SOUTH.
UM, MORE RECENTLY, IT CAME TO YOU IN MARCH OF 2024 FOR A CONCEPT PLAN, UH, REVIEW, WHICH KINDA SETS THE OVERALL DIRECTION OF THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL AND FOR DEMOLITION OF SOME OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT WERE REALLY IN BAD SHAPE AND ENCROACHING INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED OR RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL.
THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND CITY AND, AND THE CITY, WHICH AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGER TRIGGERS THE REQUIREMENT FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH, UH, TOOK PLACE IN, UH, APRIL OF 2024.
SO WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW IS, UH, A LOT MORE DETAIL.
IT'S NOT THE FINAL DETAIL YET.
THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL, BUT IT IS WHERE, UH, THE CONCEPTS BECOME MORE REAL IN MANY OF THOSE, UH, UM, INITIAL APPROVALS, SOME OF THE WAIVERS, SOME OF THE, UH, PAR PARKING DISCUSSIONS, UH, TRAFFIC, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS TAKE PLACE.
UH, THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE QUESTS YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
AND THAT DOES REQUIRE RECOMMENDATION BY THE BOARD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THEN THEY MAKE ALSO A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO THOSE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
AND THEN IF THE PROJECT CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD, THEY'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE FINAL DETAILS.
AND SO WITH THAT, A COUPLE OF THINGS TO CLARIFY.
THERE ARE SOME WAIVERS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED TONIGHT, BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME DETAILS THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON AS WELL.
SO THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER MATERIALS THAT MIGHT REQUIRE WAIVERS AS THOSE GET FINALIZED.
AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THOSE DETAILS OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.
UM, THIS, I WENT THROUGH THAT, BUT KIND OF A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE JUST THOUGHT ABOUT.
UM, AND I WOULD SAY IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY ALSO TO PROMOTE THIS
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WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT AS PART OF THE, UH, THEME FOR THIS DISTRICT.SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT PARKING AND TRAFFIC AND OTHER THINGS, BUT REALLY THE INTENT WAS TO MINIMIZE FOCUS ON CARS TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE AND MAXIMIZE THE USE OF, UH, EXISTING PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARKING GARAGES AND PARKING LOTS, AND ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND BICYCLE FOR THAT MATTER.
THE, UH, SITE, UM, MR. DAVID AND MR. LIVE, UH, VERY WELL EXPLAINED, UH, THE, UH, PROJECT ITEMS I WANTED TO CLARIFY HERE.
ALSO, UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, JOINT APPLICATION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY BECAUSE I MENTIONED A LOT OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING IN THERE, INCLUDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES, AND TRY TO BURY THE, UH, OVERHEAD LINES AND SO FORTH.
UH, YOU SEE ON THE IMAGE RIGHT NOW, UH, BRICK STREETS, THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN DETERMINED YET.
COUNCIL WILL, UH, WILL STILL BE LOOKING AT THAT.
THERE'S, UH, GENERALLY IT APPEARS THAT THE OVERALL LAYOUT IS THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE, WHICH, UH, DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL, BUT IT ADJUSTS THE, UH, RADIUS AT THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH RIVERVIEW AND NORTH STREET SO THAT IT'S NOT AS, UH, AS SHARP OF A TURN AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
SO IT, UH, UM, REFINES THAT A LITTLE BIT AND THAT CREATES A LITTLE MORE SPACE THAT, UH, YOU, YOU HEARD ABOUT THE PLAZA AND THE KIOSK.
THOSE ARE TECHNICALLY IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT THAT GETS CREATED AS PART OF THE REALIGNMENT.
THERE'S ALSO A NEED TO BALANCE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, INCLUDING EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS.
SO, UH, THERE WOULD BE SOME SLIGHT WIDENING OF, UH, BLACKSMITH LANE AND NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA.
AND AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE FINER DETAILS ARE STILL BEING, UH, UH, WORKED THROUGH.
WE ARE HOPING THAT BY THE TIME YOU SEE IT, THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT, UH, THOSE WOULD BE GROSS TO BEING FINALIZED.
UH, WITH THAT COMES A LITTLE BIT OF GRADING 'CAUSE THERE IS THAT, UH, HUGE DIFFERENCE IN GRADE, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU GO UP TO HIGH SPEED.
BUT THAT ALSO TRANSLATES INTO LITTLE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T EXPECT UNTIL YOU GO TO WIDEN AN ALLEY BY A FEW FEET, AND THEN YOU START RUNNING INTO SOME GREAT ISSUES.
SO THERE ARE SOME GREAT ADJUSTMENTS THERE THAT, UH, WORK INTO THAT AND, UH, ARE BEING LOOKED AT.
SO THE ZONING, UH, TALKED ABOUT THE ZONING.
SO THE CURRENT ZONING IS ON THE WEST SIDE, IS, UH, HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL.
AND ON THE EAST SIDE IS HISTORIC PUBLIC.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, THAT'S THE PORTION THAT'S WITHIN THE, UH, GREEN SPACE RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE PROPOSAL IS TO REZONE BOTH SIDES TO HISTORIC CORE, WHICH WOULD, UH, UH, ACCOMMODATE THE USES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, UM, THE TYPES OF USES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE HISTORIC CORE DISTRICT AS LISTED IN THE ZONING CODE.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT, UH, GUIDES ALL THOSE DECISIONS ULTIMATELY.
AND THAT IS THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
THE AREA IN QUESTION IS WITHIN THE MIXED USE VILLAGE FUTURE LAND USE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE INTENT AND THE, UH, CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT, UH, FUTURE LAND USE AREA, THEY ARE, UH, VERY SIMILAR AND IF NOT IDENTICAL TO THE, UH, HISTORIC CORE DISTRICT.
AND YOU CAN SEE ALSO SOME OF THE INTENDED CHARACTERISTICS THERE IN TERMS OF SHARED PARKING LOTS.
UM, SERVICE, UH, COURTS, UH, THE, THE TYPES OF USES THAT WOULD BE, UH, UH, COMPATIBLE WITH THE OVERALL INTENT THERE WITH OFFICE, CIVIC RETAIL, UH, EATING AND DRINKING ESTABLISHMENTS.
AND THEN ALSO WITHIN THE, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN PLAN, THERE ARE MULTIPLE SPECIAL AREA PLANS, INCLUDING ONE FOR THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND AGAIN, AS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, IT IS ALL CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH THE SAME PROVISIONS IN THE OVERALL PLAN AND THE HISTORIC CORE.
AS WE, UH, LOOK AT SOME OF THE DETAILS THERE, WANTED TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS.
SO THE ORANGE LINE THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE, THE, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THE LINES BASICALLY AROUND THE EXISTING HOUSES ON THE WEST SIDE.
UH, IN BOTH CASES AT THIS POINT, AGAIN, THOSE ARE BEING FINALIZED, BUT IN BOTH CASES ARE BEING SQUEEZED IN, IF YOU WILL, UH, FROM WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW, UH, FOR SOME OF THE WIDENING
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AND, AND STREET IMPROVEMENTS.AND, UM, THE ONE, A FEW AREAS OF, UH, JUST FOR INFORMATION, THERE ARE A FEW AREAS WHERE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE NORTH ADDITION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO THE, UH, RED HOUSE AT 62 AND THE WHOLE AREA OF THE PLAZA AND THE KIOSK, AND THE PORCH AT 37 NORTH RIVERVIEW AND A LITTLE BIT OF THE RED HOUSE ITSELF, UH, ARE ALL ENCROACHING INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SOME OF 'EM ALREADY ENCROACHED, SOME OF 'EM WILL ENCROACH AS PART OF THE, UH, PROJECT.
THE, UH, INTENT THERE IS TO DO AN ENCROACHMENT, UH, RIGHT OF WAY ENCROACHMENT PERMIT SO THAT THE, THE CITY HAS AN INTEREST IN KEEPING THAT TECHNICALLY RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE RECORDED.
IT WOULD BE THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN AND OPERATE, BUT THAT WOULD BE, UH, UH, THE WAY TO WORK THROUGH THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO ADJUST LOCATIONS OF EXISTING BUILDINGS.
ANOTHER THING WANTED, I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT IN THE HISTORIC COURSE, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS HERE THAT THE REZONING WILL BE APPROVED.
SO ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING ARE BASED ON THAT ASSUMPTIONS.
SO IF THAT DOESN'T PASS, UH, A LOT OF THESE THINGS WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE.
BUT, UH, THERE IS A SHED THAT'S BEING PROPOSED BE, UH, BEHIND 53 NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, UH, THAT SHED IS GENERALLY IN THE SAME LOCATION AS A MUCH LARGER GARAGE THAT WAS, THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THAT AS WELL.
UH, THAT GARAGE WAS ENCROACHING INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THIS ONE WOULD NOT BE, BUT WITHIN THE HISTORIC CORE, THE SETBACK IS ZERO ON THE FRONT AND SIDE, BUT IT'S A FIVE FOOT SETBACK ON THE REAR.
AND THE BOARD IS, UH, HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT WAIVERS, BUT ONLY UP TO 20%.
AND AT THIS POINT, WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME FINAL DETERMINATIONS WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE IS, UH, THIS ONE COULD NOT BE APPROVED AT THIS LOCATION AT THIS POINT.
SO I WANTED TO POINT IT OUT AS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UH, NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON AND SEE, UH, IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT LOCATION OR IF THAT LINE GETS ADJUSTED.
ON THE EAST SIDE, I MENTIONED THAT THE LOTS WOULD BE SPLIT FROM THE EXISTING DEEPER LOTS.
AND AS YOU CAN HOPEFULLY SEE THERE, THEY WOULD BE TAKING, UH, UH, OVER PARTS OF THREE DIFFERENT PARCELS.
THE, UH, IN THE HISTORIC CORE, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 21,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THESE PARCELS COMBINED WOULD BE SLIGHTLY OVER, THAT WOULD BE 22 AND, AND, AND SOME CHANGE.
BUT IF THEY WERE TO BE SPLIT IN BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES, THEN THEY WOULD NOT MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD EXCEED YOUR AUTHORITY TO GRANT WAIVERS IN THERE.
SO YOU'LL SEE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IS THAT AS SOON AS THESE SLOTS ARE SPLIT OFF FROM THE LARGER PARCELS, THEY HAVE TO ALL BE COMBINED INTO ONE PARCEL AND REMAIN AS SUCH.
SO WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IN TERMS OF LOT COVERAGE AND OTHER STANDARDS, ALL OF THOSE ARE MET BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THOSE DETAILS AS THEY EVOLVE AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE, WHICH GETS US TO PARKING.
AND, UH, WE DID INCLUDE A, YOUR, UH, PACKET, THE, UH, PARKING PLAN, PARKING STUDY THAT WAS DONE BY THE CITY'S CONSULTANT.
AND THAT TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE, UH, UH, CRITERIA OF THE CODE WHERE IT REQUIRES EITHER ON ONSITE PARKING, ON STREET PARKING, AND THE ON STREET PARKING TECHNICALLY HAS TO BE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE, UH, UH, THE BUILDINGS THAT IT'S SERVING, OR OFFSITE PARKING AND GARAGES OR LOTS THAT ARE, UH, WITHIN A 600 FOOT DISTANCE FROM THE ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDINGS, TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE OR PARKING LOT.
AND THE, UH, INTENT OF THE STUDY WAS TO EXAMINE THE OCCUPANCY OF THE EXISTING GARAGES.
SO THE, UH, PROJECT, THE, THE STUDY FOCUSED ON THE TWO THAT ARE CLOSEST, WHICH ARE THE LIBRARY GARAGE AND THE, UH, NORTH HIGH, UH, GARAGE THERE ON THE EAST SIDE OF, UH, NORTH HIGH STREET.
UH, THE LADDER IS A PRIVATE, UH, PARKING GARAGE, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE, UM, A LITTLE OVER 200 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR A FEE UNLESS THEY GET VALIDATED OR, UM, BASED ON, UH, DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.
UH, THE STUDY WAS DONE AT THREE DIFFERENT TIMES OF DAY FOR BOTH GARAGES, UH, MORNING, AFTERNOON, AND, AND EVENING.
AND IN BOTH CASES, UH, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THERE IS CAPACITY AT ALL TIMES AND THE GARAGE, IT'S BUSIEST IN THE EVENING, BUT, UH, THERE WAS ENOUGH CAPACITY THAT
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COULD ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE GENERATED BY THE USES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED HERE WITH AVAILABILITY FOR, UH, SOME EXTRA PARKING SPACES.NOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT VARIES FROM, FROM DAY TO DAY.
WE HAVE MORE LIVE DATA FOR THE LIBRARY GARAGE, WHICH IS, UH, CONTINUOUS.
WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, DATA FROM THIS PAST WEEK, AND IT LOOKED LIKE, UH, THURSDAY IN THAT CASE WAS THE BUSIEST DAY, AND AT MOST, FOR EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK, AT MOST IT WAS 70% OCCUPIED.
ONE OF THE THINGS IN THIS CASE IS THE, UH, FROM THE ENTRANCES TO THE ENTRANCES TO THE PARKING GARAGES.
IN A FEW INSTANCES THAT DISTANCE IS A LITTLE MORE THAN 600 FEET, BUT IT'S WITHIN THAT 20% RANGE, MOSTLY CLOSER TO, UH, 15%.
SO, UH, SOME OF THOSE MAY BE REDUCED IF THE ACCESS, ESPECIALLY THE A DA ACCESS IS EXPECTED TO BE AT THE BACKS OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, BUT GENERALLY MOST OF THE EXISTING PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ON STREET RIGHT NOW WOULD BE PRESERVED.
THERE WOULDN'T BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AGAIN, TO ACCOMMODATE FIRE APPARATUS, TURNING RADII AND SO FORTH.
AND AT THIS POINT, THERE IS A PROPOSAL TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING, UH, NORTH OF, UH, NORTH STREET ON, ON NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET AS WELL.
IN TOTAL, THE, UH, THE PARKING STUDY CONCLUDED THAT THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS WERE MET WITH THAT 15% X RAN THAT IT WAS, UH, AT MOST THE, THE TIME TO GET FROM A PARKING SPACE TO THE, UH, UM, TO ONE OF THOSE DESTINATIONS WOULD BE LESS THAN FOUR MINUTES.
NOW, THE, UH, I THINK I HAVE A CLOSEUP HERE.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT TO, FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO BE ABLE TO, UH, GET INTO THESE BUILDINGS.
AND SO THERE WOULD BE SOME, A DA SPACES ALONG NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, ALONG WITH DROP OFF AND, UH, DELIVERY SPACE RIGHT ALONG THE STREET.
AGAIN, UH, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THAT STILL ALLOWS THEIR, UH, VEHICLES TO GO AROUND.
SO, OKAY, SO MOVING ON FROM THAT KIND TO, UH, ADDRESS A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UH, THEY HAVE PROVIDED A PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLAN AND ALSO A PRELIMINARY, UH, SURVEY OF THE TREES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED.
UH, THAT'S STILL BEING FINALIZED.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STUDY OF, UH, SOME OF THE TREES ARE IN, UH, PRETTY BAD SHAPE THERE, AND OTHERS ARE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
SO AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADDRESS THE, UH, ALL, ALL THE FINE DETAILS.
A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE SOMEWHAT UNIQUE, BASED ON AT LEAST THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT, UH, OF THE CODE, IS THAT THERE'S A THREE, THREE REQUIREMENT, AND THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT TO DO FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AROUND THE SIDES AND BACK OF BUILDINGS.
UM, BUT THE CODE ALSO ALLOWS FOR PROVISIONS IN CASES WHERE THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR THE APPLICANT TO PROPOSE ALTERNATIVES.
SO WE'D BE LOOKING FOR THEM TO, UH, LOOK AT OPTIONS TO, UH, ADDRESS THOSE, UH, UH, ITEMS, AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE STEEP SLOPES AND THE MORE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AS YOU GET DOWN THE HILL.
UH, YOU CAN SEE ALSO IN SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT MR. LY WENT THROUGH, UH, IN HERE, THAT THERE'S SOME, UM, IDEAS AT LEAST FOR, UH, HOW TO TREAT THE PATIOS.
AND THOSE DETAILS HAVE NOT YET BEEN PROVIDED.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE WOULD WANNA SEE AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.
ALRIGHT, GOING INTO THE BUILDING, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO ALL THE DETAILS SINCE, UH, THEY WERE VERY WELL EXPLAINED, BUT, UH, WANTED TO, UH, MENTION A FEW THINGS IN TERMS OF HOW THEY RELATE TO THE CODE AND GUIDELINES.
AND WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE INTENT IS ALWAYS TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S A PRODUCT OF ITS OWN TIME PERIOD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT, UH, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BLEND IN WITH THE MASSING AND WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE FEEL THAT, UH, AT LEAST FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, THAT THEY HAVE DONE THAT.
IN, IN THIS CASE, THE LARGEST GABLE IS OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGEST, UH, UH, CHANGE IN THERE.
BUT THE WAY THE BUILDING IS BROKEN UP BY THE DIFFERENT TRUTHS AND DIFFERENT MASSES, AND THE FACT THAT IT SETS A FEW FEET LOWER WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GRADES, UM, IN THAT LOCATION, UH, WE FEEL IT SUCCESSFULLY INTEGRATES INTO THAT ENVIRONMENT.
AND EVEN IN THE BACK, EVEN IF YOU
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DO GET THAT FULL VIEW, UH, AGAIN WITH THE AMOUNT OF GLASS THAT'S IN THERE AND THE WAY THE, UH, MASSING IS BROKEN, UH, INCLUDING WITH THE CHIMNEYS AND THE STONE AND THE MATERIALS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, THAT, THAT ACCOMPLISHES THAT.AND THE, UH, POSSIBILITY OF HO HOPEFULLY THE, UH, ABILITY TO PRESERVE THE, UH, STONE REMAINS.
AND THERE WOULD BE THE ICING ON THE CAKE ALONG WITH THE, UH, PIERS HERE THAT, AGAIN, HELP BREAK UP THE MASS AS YOU, UH, GO DOWN THE HILL.
THE, UH, SIDES ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT BALCONIES AND DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT HELP WITH THAT.
AND THEN THE, UH, EXTRA DETAIL THAT IS WITHIN THAT, UH, LARGE GABLE THAT HELPS, UH, AGAIN, RELATE TO THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE.
WITHIN THAT ENVIRONMENT, UH, WE FEEL, UH, HELPS BREAK IT.
HELPS BREAKDOWN THE SCALE ALSO.
NOW, A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH THIS BUILDING, AND MR. LA ALLUDED TO THAT IN THE CODE, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT WHEN YOU HAVE A GABLE TO HAVE SOME RELIEF.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE RECOMMENDED WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING AT THIS POINT, UH, COMPOSITE SLATE ROOF MATERIAL, UM, THAT WOULD AT BEST REQUIRE A WAIVER.
WE WOULD NEED TO SEE THAT MATERIAL AND GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW SUCCESSFUL, HOW IT WEATHERS, WHETHER IT'S BEEN USED IN SIMILAR ENVIRONMENTS AND SO FORTH.
SO, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID IN THE REPORT THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE AND WEIGH IN ON AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.
I MENTIONED THE, UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THESE, UH, REMAINS.
UM, IT'S VERY HARD TO TAKE GOOD PICTURES OF THEM BECAUSE OF THE, UH, TREES AND THE OVERGROWTH AROUND THEM, BUT, UH, IT'S VERY FASCINATING.
IT HAS KIND OF A TWO LEVEL, UH, CONSTRUCTION.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AERIAL FROM THE 1960S, YOU CAN SEE WHEN IT HAD A ROOF ON TOP OF IT.
AND THERE ARE REMNANTS OF OLD LOW, UH, STONE WALLS THAT EXTENDED FROM THAT STRUCTURE ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE BACK OF THE, UH, RED HOUSE.
AND MUCH OF THAT STILL EXISTS, UH, WHEN MR. DAVIS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PARK AND, AND, AND THE KIND OF JOINT, UH, EFFORT THERE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC ACCESS AND PRIVATE ACCESS, WE THINK THERE ARE SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO INTEGRATE THOSE.
AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH ABOUT THE HISTORY OF, UM, THIS AREA, WHICH, UH, WE BELIEVE WAS A TANNERY BEHIND THE RED HOUSE AND AN ASHRY, UM, AT THIS LOCATION WITH SOME OF, UH, DUBLIN'S, EARLY PROMINENT FOLKS, UH, OWNING THOSE PROPERTIES.
UH, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORIC STONE WALLS.
THOSE ARE PROTECTED BY, UH, UH, CODE AND BY, UH, THE GUIDELINES.
AND THOSE ARE BEING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET.
THOSE ONLY EXTEND IN FRONT OF 53 NORTH RIVERVIEW AND PARTIALLY IN FRONT OF 45.
THOSE ONES WILL BE THE WAY THE ROAD IS BEING DESIGNED.
THOSE SHOULD BE, UH, PRESERVED.
UH, THEY MAY HAVE TO BE TAKEN UP AND PUT ON A SOLID FOUNDATION AND BACK, BACK IN, AS MR. LINE MENTIONED ON THE EAST SIDE, WITH THAT SLIGHT WIDENING, THEY COULD NOT BE PRESERVED WHERE THEY'RE AT.
SO WHAT THE STAFF REPORT WAS REFERENCING IS WORKING WITH THEM TO SEE IF THEY COULD BE RECONSTRUCTED TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, UM, ALONG WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE, WE SEE THAT THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO COORDINATE THOSE.
UM, AND ALSO HOW HOW MUCH OF THOSE ARE REMAINING TO BE ABLE TO BE, UH, USED WILL BE, UH, WILL BE DISCUSSED.
THE MATERIALS, UM, UH, SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING ATCH BUILDING, UH, WITH A COUPLE DIFFERENT SHADES OF, UH, STAIN AND MENTIONED THE, UH, COMPOSITE SLATE ROOF THAT WE WOULD, UH, HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
THE, UH, APPLICATION MATERIALS DO INCLUDE ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
THOSE DO REQUIRE A WAIVER BECAUSE, UH, THE WAY THE WORD IS CODED AND, UH, ADVOCATING FOR MORE TRADITIONAL MATERIALS OR ALUMINUM CLA OR VINYL CLA WOOD WINDOWS, UH, WAIVERS HAVE BEEN GRANTED IN THE PAST.
FOX IN THE SNOW IS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, THE EXISTING KATCH BUILDING HAS SIMILAR WINDOWS.
WE DO FEEL THAT THE PROPORTIONS ARE VERTICAL, SO THEY ADDRESS THE, UH, REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE.
THEY DO NOT HAVE YOUR TYPICAL LENTILS AND CELLS, BUT THE ARCHITECTURE IMPLIES THOSE.
SO STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF WAIVERS FOR THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND WINDOW DETAILS THEN WANTED TO, UH, INCLUDED THAT ALSO IN THE STAFF REPORT COMPARISON BETWEEN
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WHAT'S EXISTING AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE HOUSES.AND AGAIN, MR. LIGHT DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING THOSE.
SO I'LL, I'LL JUST POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS VERY QUICKLY.
THERE ARE SOME WINDOWS THAT MAY BE, UH, MORE ORIGINAL THAN OTHERS.
THERE ARE ONES ON THE SIDE THAT HAVE PROPORTIONS THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, TRADITIONAL IN THAT LOCATION.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE HOPING IS AS THEY START WORKING WITH THIS PROJECT, IF THERE IS ANY EVIDENCE OF SOME BIGGER OPENINGS OR DIFFERENT, UH, UM, ARCHEOLOGICAL DIGS, IF YOU WILL, THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.
THE, UH, ROOF LINE THAT MR. LY MENTIONED BEING RAISED SO THAT IT'S ACTUALLY HABITABLE IN THERE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT TRANSLATES IN HERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS TO EXTEND THE EVE OF THAT GABLE, UM, SO THAT IT STANDS ON ITS OWN VERSUS THE WAY RIGHT NOW.
IT TIES INTO THE EXISTING ROOF, THOSE ROOF PITCHES FOR BOTH THE PORCH AND THAT BACK ADDITION WOULD NOT TECHNICALLY MEET THE, UH, PITCH REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE.
AND SO THAT REQUIRES A WAIVER.
AND GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES HERE, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE IS VERY INTERESTING IN THAT IT HAS SEVERAL DIFFERENT WIDTHS OF SIDING AND THE, UH, FRONT AND THE, UH, EAST AND WHITE, THE TWO SIDES THAT FACE STREETS HAVE WIDE, UH, I BELIEVE SIX INCH, UH, WOOD SIDING.
THE NORTH SIDE HAS THIS VERY NARROW LAB SIDING THAT HAS AN INTERESTING CHARACTER.
UH, AT THIS POINT, THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO REPLACE IT WITH WIDER SIDING.
WE THINK IT'S WORTH, IT'S A PART OF THE EVOLUTION OF THE STRUCTURE.
WE, WE THINK IT'S WORTH, UH, KEEPING THAT SIDING AND JUST RESTORING IT.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE BACK ADDITIONS.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, THERE, THOSE EVOLVED OVER TIME.
SO THERE'S BOARD AND BATTEN AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF WINDOWS.
UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO, UH, USE NARROWER SIDING DATA TO DISTINGUISH IT FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, AND WE THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THEM ON THE CHOICE OF WINDOWS AND WHAT CAN BE RESTORED BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST COURSE OF ACTION.
AND THEN THE, UH, COLOR SCHEME THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, THEY'D HAVE MATERIAL AND COLOR SAMPLES AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO I, I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW.
THE OTHER 45, MR. ALY ME MENTIONED THE DETAILS.
UH, UH, VERY SIMILAR WITH RAISING THE ROOF ON THE BACK ADDITION.
SO IT ALSO, AND, AND REBUILDING THE FRONT PORCH.
UH, THOSE REQUIRE ROOF PITCH WAIVERS, AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
UH, WE DO THINK IN THIS CASE THERE'S A NOTATION THAT SOME OF THESE WINDOWS WOULD BE FIXED.
WE, AGAIN, I IDEALLY WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ORIGINAL DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOWS RESTORED.
AND IF THOSE ARE NOT, UM, IN GOOD ENOUGH SHAPE TO BE RESTORED, THAT, UM, NEW WINDOWS THAT REPLICATE THAT STYLE WITH BEING DOUBLE HUNG, UH, BEING USED.
ONE THING I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION HERE, AND THAT APPLIES TO ALL THE STRUCTURES, IS YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, FASCIA BOARD AT THE TOP OF THE, EACH BUILDING IS GENERALLY HAS A THIN PROFILE.
UH, THEIR INTENT IS TO ADD SOME INSULATION TO THESE, UH, MUCH OLDER STRUCTURES AND, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT AND PRESERVE THE RAFTER SO THAT THEY CAN BE VISIBLE FROM THE INSIDE.
THEIR INTENT, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS WITH, WITH PRESERVING THE ROOF ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT FOR, FOR ALL THE HOUSES, THE INTENT RIGHT NOW IS TO PROVIDE THAT INSTALLATION FROM THE OUTSIDE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THE SPATIAL BOARD TO BE HEAVIER.
AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER DETAIL WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM ON, BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A, AN EFFECT ON THE, UH, CHARACTER OF THE, OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
AND THEN ON THE BACK, UH, THE ADDITION WOULD BE RENOVATED.
THEY ARE SHOWING IN, IN THIS CASE, THEY WOULD BE REMOVING THE ALUMINUM SIDING FROM THE HOUSE AND RESTORING THE ORIGINAL NARROWER WOOD SIDING THAT'S BEHIND IT.
UH, TO DISTINGUISH THE BACK ADDITION, THEY'RE PROPOSING EIGHT INCH, UH, SIDING THERE.
UH, STAFF FEELS THAT GIVEN THE SIZE OF THIS ADDITION, THE EIGHT INCH FEELS A LITTLE TOO WIDE IN THERE.
WE THINK IT'S DISTINCT ENOUGH IN TERMS OF ITS SCALE AND, UM, AND HEIGHT THAT USING SIMILAR SIDING TO THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE SUFFICIENT AT THAT LOCATION.
AGAIN, THE PROPOSED COLOR SCHEME AND THEN THIS, THIS, I WOULD SAY OTHER THAN THE ADDITIONS TO THE RED HOUSE, I WOULD SAY THIS IS THE ONE THAT WOULD BE, WOULD HAVE THE MOST CHANGES,
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BUT THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY NEEDED CHANGES.UH, THE STRUCTURE IS, THERE'S A LOT OF EVIDENCE THAT THE SOUTHERN PART WAS THE ORIGINAL PART, AND THEN AS SMALL AS IT IS, THE NORTHERN PART WAS BUILT LATER.
SO YOU COULD SEE CHANGES IN THE FOUNDATION MATERIALS.
YOU CAN SEE, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS THE SHAKE SIDING THROUGHOUT, IT'S, UH, DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
THE ORIGINAL PART IS THE SOUTH PART, AND THAT THE, UM, WOOD SHAKE IS IN, IN REALLY BAD SHAPE.
SO, UH, IT DOES NEED TO BE REPLACED.
AND TYPICALLY STAFF WOULD ADVOCATE IF IT'S BEING REPLACED AT THE NEW, UH, MATCH THE EXISTING, IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE PROPOSING INSTEAD OF THE STAGGERED PROFILE, THEY'RE PROPOSING MORE STILL WOOD SHAKE OR WOULD, UH, MA MATERIALS THAT ARE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, WITH THE CODE, BUT WOULD HAVE A STRAIGHT EDGE INSTEAD OF THE STAGGERED EDGE.
AND, UH, IN THIS CASE, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, UH, FROM BECAUSE OF THE CON FIRST OF ALL, THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING, UH, SHAKE.
BUT SECOND, THE, UH, SIZE OF THAT HOUSE WITH THE STAGGERED SHAKE SEEMS LIKE IT'S VERY BUSY.
UH, WITH THAT ONE, WHEN WE DID SOME RESEARCH THAT STAGGERED SHAKE IS MOSTLY USED AS AN ACCENT VERSUS THE PRIMARY MATERIAL.
SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, SETH IS SUPPORTIVE, UM, OF THE PROPOSAL.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM, UM, MAINTAIN ALL THE TRIM ELEMENTS.
THERE'S SOME UNIQUE TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS AND, AND DOORS AND, AND EXPOSED DRAFTERS.
AND THEN MR. LY MENTIONED OPENING UP THE PORCH.
AND WE FEEL, AGAIN, GIVEN THE, UH, UM, ISSUES WITH THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, THAT THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE A FUNCTIONAL AND VERY ATTRACTIVE, UM, CHANGE TO THE BUILDING.
IT STILL RESPECTS THE STRUCTURE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE INSIDE.
UM, UH, THOSE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS ARE CONSISTENT.
MR. DAVIS MENTIONED THAT THE DOOR AND WINDOW WOULD BE SWITCHED, AND THEN ALSO A SINGLE WINDOW ON THE NORTH SIDE WOULD BE, UH, CHANGED TO A DOUBLE WINDOW ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
THAT'S WHERE MR. LY WAS MENTIONING THAT THE MANSARD ROOF WOULD BE ADDED THERE TO, UH, RESOLVE THE ISSUE WITH THE HEIGHT AND, AND AWKWARD ARCHITECTURE OF THE EXISTING, UH, CHARACTER.
THE, UH, AGAIN, IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE A DOUBLE WINDOW INSTEAD OF THE SINGLE WINDOW ON THIS SIDE, AND THEN NORTH SIDE AS WELL, YOU CAN SEE THE MANSOR GROOVE AND MOVING THIS WINDOW TO BE CENTERED UNDERNEATH THE GABLE AND ADDING ANOTHER WINDOW HERE.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONE WITH THE MOST CHANGES, BUT THEY'RE ALL WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF, UH, THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE.
AND THE COLOR SCHEME IS CERTAINLY VERY CONSISTENT WITH CRESSMAN ARCHITECTURE AS WELL.
AND THEN THE SHED, WE JUST WANTED YOUR INPUT ON IN CASE THERE IS A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE IT IN SOME FASHION.
UH, THE INTENT IS TO, UH, CARRY THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL, UM, THEME AND COLOR SCHEME AS THE, UM, AS THE HOUSE.
YOU CAN SEE THE PREVIOUS ONE HAD SOME EXPOSED DRAFTERS, WHICH THE HOUSE DOES AS WELL.
SO THAT'S, UH, JUST A SUGGESTION THAT, UH, THAT MAY BE AN ELEMENT THAT THEY COULD ADD TO THE STRUCTURE AS WELL.
AND THEN THE KIOSK THAT'S, UH, SHOWN IN THE ILLUSTRATIONS, BUT WE DON'T YET HAVE THE SPECIFIC DETAILS, UH, DON'T HAVE MATERIALS AND, UH, HEIGHTEN ALL OF THOSE.
SO WANTED TO SHARE THAT AGAIN FOR INPUT.
BUT THOSE DETAILS WOULD BE PRESENTED AT THE, UH, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.
AND THEN THE RED HOUSE, I'LL JUST POINT OUT A FEW THINGS SINCE, UH, THAT WAS COVERED VERY WELL.
ALSO, THE EXISTING ARCH WINDOW IS NOT AN ORIGINAL WINDOW, AND IF YOU GO THERE, YOU COULD SEE THAT THOSE GRIDS ARE JUST, UH, PASTED ON THE OUTSIDE.
AND IT APPEARS THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF AN ENTRANCE THERE AT SOME POINT, AND MAYBE EVEN A VEHICULAR ENTRANCE THERE, THERE WAS AN EXTENSION TO THE ROOF LINE, UM, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A SHED ROOF, BUT GENERALLY IN THE SAME AREA THAT THEY'RE SHOWING THE GABLE RIGHT NOW.
UM, IF THAT GABLE MOVES OVER THE DOOR, OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT, UM, THOSE ARCHITECTURAL THEMES AT THAT TIME.
BUT STEPH IS SUPPORTIVE OF REPLACING THE ARCH WINDOW WITH SOMETHING THAT, UH, WOULD'VE PROBABLY BEEN MORE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE STYLE.
IT'S, UH, THE GRADE IS SO DIFFERENT THERE AND THE MATERIALS ARE SO DIFFERENT.
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I'LL GET TO IT WITH SOME OF THE 3D RENDERINGS, IS HOW IT TIES INTO THE WALL OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.BUT, UH, I WAS UNTIL YESTERDAY UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE, UH, FINISHES HERE WERE GONNA BE STEEL FOR BOTH THE, UH, UM, PATIO COVER AND THE, UH, UH, ADDITION.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING NOW IS THAT THE STRUCTURE OF THE, THE ACTUAL FINISH IS, UM, WOOD, WOOD TYPE FINISH.
SO, UM, BECAUSE ONE, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE RAISED IN THE STAFF REPORT IS WE FELT THAT THIS PATIO ROOF WAS A LITTLE TOO HEAVY AND THAT THE STONE, UM, THE, THE FIREPLACE THAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE BLENDS IN WITH THE STONE ON THE HOUSE, THE STONE FIREPLACE SITTING ON TOP OF A DECK WITH THAT VISUAL SUPPORT BELOW, WE FEEL THAT, UH, SHOULD BE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA FOR THE FIREPLACE.
UM, IT, IT FEEL, IT JUST FEELS TOO HEAVY VISUALLY.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN SUPPORT IT.
SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE, UH, ISSUES THAT WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON AS THAT MOVES ON.
THE, UH, MR. LY MENTIONED THE BACK, WHAT STARTED OUT LIFE APPARENTLY AS, UH, MULTI-LEVEL, OPEN PORCH, AND WAS ENCLOSED SOMEWHAT HAPHAZARDLY AT, UH, DIFFERENT TIMES.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOWS WERE NOT ALL CONSISTENT, SO THAT'S THE PORTION THAT THEY WOULD BE REBUILDING.
AND AGAIN, FOR HEADROOM PURPOSES, THE SLOPE, THE PITCH OF THE ROOF WOULD REQUIRE A WAIVER AT THAT LOCATION AS WELL.
AND THIS IS WHERE, UH, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT.
IN, IN, IN TERMS OF TYPICALLY, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE ADDITIONS, YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF A HYPHEN TO DISTINGUISH THE TWO MASSES.
UH, WE FEEL, AND I REALIZE THERE POTENTIALLY COULD BE SOME DRAINAGE OR WATER, UH, UH, SALT WATER DRAINAGE ISSUES, BUT POSSIBLY INSTEAD OF HAVING THE UPPER TIER OF THAT ROOF DIVE INTO THE BUILDING, UH, WHETHER THAT LOWER PART WRAPS AROUND ALL FOUR SIDES AND ACTS, UM, AS, UH, KINDA SOME SORT OF A HYPHEN THAT ALLOWS THE MASS TO BE AT THE UPPER ROOF AND THIS ONE STANDING ON ITS OWN.
SO, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO RESOLVE AGAIN, TO, TO MAKE IT WORK WITHOUT, UH, CAUSING DRAINAGE ISSUES.
UH, SIMILARLY, THIS, UH, IN MANY CASES WHEN WE SEE THESE TYPES OF RENDERINGS, YOU'D NOT, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA SEE THE BUILDINGS FROM THIS ANGLE, BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU WOULD FROM, FROM THE BRIDGE.
UH, WE DO FEEL THAT THIS ROOF OVER THE, UH, OPEN PATIO, UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT EXTENDS BEYOND THE, UH, BACK OF THE BUILDING, THAT IT MAY NEED SOME ARCHITECTURAL OR MASSING BREAKUP TO, UH, UH, FEEL A LITTLE LIGHTER SITTING ON TOP OF THE DECK.
SO THAT'S THE OTHER ITEM WE POINTED OUT.
SO WITH THAT, GETTING THERE, SO THE WAIVER REVIEWS MENTIONED THE, UM, THERE ARE SOME MATERIAL ITEMS, THE DECKS AT THE NEW BUILDING AND AT 62 AND THE RED HOUSE, 62 2 NORTH RIVER VIEW, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TIMBER TECH MATERIALS, UH, FOR BOTH THE DECKS AND THE STAIRS.
UH, THAT'S A MATERIAL THAT DOES REQUIRE A WAIVER, BUT IT'S BEEN APPROVED ELSEWHERE, UH, BY THIS BOARD.
SO, UH, WE FEEL MOST OF THE CRITERIA ARE MET OR NOT APPLIC APPLICABLE AND WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE USE IN THIS LOCATION.
MENTIONED THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT SINCE WE TOUCHED ON THAT.
AGAIN, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE WAIVER THERE.
UH, SAME THING WITH THE ROOF PITCHES.
THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR ALL OF THOSE, NOT A COST SAVING OR ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, DETRIMENTAL TO THE ARCHITECTURE.
AND THEN, UH, WE FEEL FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW, UH, THAT THEY, MOST OF THE CRITERIA ARE MET OR MET WITH THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS AND, AND WAIVERS.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND WE CAN GO BACK TO THOSE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND SO UNDER THE, UH, THAT UMBRELLA OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, THERE'S APPROVAL OF THE PARKING PLAN THAT WE DISCUSSED, APPROVAL OF THE THREE WAIVERS, AND THEN APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF.
AND, UH, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONS BECAUSE I TALKED THROUGH THEM AS WE WERE, UH, I WAS GOING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, BUT AGAIN, WE CAN GO BACK TO THOSE AS NEEDED.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE REZONING, THAT HAS TO BE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE, UH,
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VOTE BECAUSE THAT MOVES ON AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REZONING.SO WITH THAT, I WILL, UH, AFTER DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC COMMENT, WE CAN GO BACK AND DISCUSS THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. OKAY.
THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO, UH, TO, TO TAKE IN.
SO, UH, I APPRECIATE BOTH OF 'EM.
I THINK BOTH OF THEM WERE, UH, WERE, UM, WERE CLEAR.
ANY INITIAL COMMENTS, JUST, AND THEN IF WE CAN KIND OF GO BACK AND KIND OF CHUNK THROUGH IT, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING INITIALLY WE WANT TO TALK, WE COMMENTS, HUH? WE GOT PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WELL, JUST WANTED, IS THERE ANYTHING WE WANNA TALK, JUST BEFORE WE GO BACK, ANYTHING GENERIC HERE BEFORE WE WANNA PLUG IN? OKAY.
SO I KNOW WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO, UH, FROM HERE, I THINK SOME OF US HAVE READ THEM, SO WE'RE GONNA ADD THEM INTO THE, INTO THE RECORD AND WE'LL, WE'LL ADD THOSE IN.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SENT EMAILS EARLIER, WE DID PROVIDE THOSE TO THE BOARD.
SO THOSE WILL BE IN THE RECORD.
UH, JAMES, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANYTHING SINCE THEN? OKAY, SO NO, NOTHING NEW.
AND IN THE AUDIENCE, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT? YEAH, I'LL ASK HER WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE.
IF YOU COULD, A COUPLE OF THINGS DID, WERE YOU SWORN IN WHEN? NO.
YOU OKAY? SHOULD I SPEAK HERE OR NOT? YEAH, IT'S GOOD.
COULD I, I'LL JUST SWEAR YOU IN RIGHT NOW, OKAY? SURE.
DID YOU, WHEN AT THE BEGINNING DID YOU, UH, RAISE YOUR HAND AND I RAISED MY HAND? I DIDN'T REALIZE I WAS SWORN IN.
OKAY, SO THEN YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
OKAY, NOW DO I NEED TO STAY BY THE THREE MINUTES? I CAN DO MAYBE FIVE.
SO IF YOU COULD, AND I'LL DO MY BEST.
AND IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS BEFORE WE START.
I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND THOMAS CARR.
WE LIVE AT 1 0 5 NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, UNIT ONE 15 IN BRIDGE PARK WEST.
AND I HAVE A LETTER HERE FOR YOU THAT WILL GIVE ALL THE EVERYTHING I WANNA SAY, AND I'M GONNA TRY AND SUM IT UP.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY THAT, UH, WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO SEEING FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA, BUT WE ARE INCREASINGLY CONCERNED THAT OVERDEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO TURN THIS QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD INTO A HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AREA.
IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO OVERWHELM THE CHARM OF HISTORIC DUBLIN.
CURRENTLY, TRAFFIC IS MANAGEABLE ON RIVER NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET WHERE WE LIVE IN LIGHT OF THE LIMITATIONS ON NORTH STREET AND NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE.
NORTH HIGH STREET IS INCREASINGLY BUSIER DUE TO THE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT OF HISTORIC DUBLIN, WHICH DRAWS INCREASING NUMBERS OF RESTAURANT GOERS AND VISITORS ENJOYING DUBLIN AS A DESTINATION PLACE.
THE KATCH DEVELOPMENT AND NEW RESIDENT AND NEW RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS WILL BRING EVEN MORE TRAFFIC TO HISTORIC DUBLIN.
WE DON'T SEE THE STREET NETWORK OF THIS SMALL PART OF HISTORIC DUBLIN AS A TRADITIONAL STREET GRID, AS WAS REFERENCED IN YOUR PLAN.
UH, A TRADITIONAL STREET GRID HAS STREETS RUNNING IN ALL DIRECTIONS WITH NUMEROUS AND OPTIONAL POINTS OF ACCESS AND EGRESS USUALLY AT RIGHT ANGLES.
THIS PART OF HISTORIC DUBLIN HAS A, IS A SMALL ENCLAVE WITH LIMITED TRAFFIC OPTIONS.
UM, AS, AS CONCERNS NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, I BELIEVE YOU SAID THE, THERE WOULD BE A SLIGHT WI WIDENING.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU MEAN THE 17 PROPOSED SPACES ACROSS FROM BRIDGE PARK WEST, WHICH IS THE 95 AND THE 1 0 5 BUILDINGS OF BRIDGE PARK WEST.
UM, THE PARKING PLAN RECOMMENDS PARKING ON EAST SIDE OF NORTH RIVERVIEW.
IS THERE ENOUGH WIDTH ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING AND A SIDEWALK TO MATCH THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET? WE DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS THE WEST SIDE PARKING AND SIDEWALK IS 16 FEET WIDE ON THE EAST SIDE.
16 FEET WOULD PUT THE SIDEWALK AT THE LOCATION OF THE STEEP EMBANKMENT DOWN TO THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, WHEN WE FIRST MOVED IN FOUR YEARS
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AGO, IT WAS REALLY FLOODED.AND WE ASKED THE REALTOR ABOUT THAT.
CAN THE FLOOD PLAN BE ENCROACHED UPON TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING AND PEDESTRIANS? WOULD A RAILING BE REQUIRED TO PROTECT, PROTECT PEDESTRIANS FROM THE STEEP EMBANKMENT? THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THE MODIFICATIONS AND REINFORCEMENTS, UH, REQUIRED TO CREATE, UH, FILLING IN FOR THE SPACES PROPOSED FOR PARKING AND PEDESTRIANS.
ALSO, MANY RESTAURANTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WALK THEIR DOGS IN THE GRASSY AREA PROPOSED TO BE REPLACED WITH PARKING SPACES.
I KNOW THAT'S VERY MINOR FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT'S A FACT OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHERE DO THEY WALK? THEIR DOGS VERY SMALL, BUT THAT IMPORTANT TO, UH, TO WE RESIDENTS, TEST RESIDENTS.
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I AM READING EXCERPTS FROM THIS LETTER THAT I WILL GIVE TO YOU.
I HOPE YOU GIVE IT SERIOUS CONSIDERATION.
AND WE'LL PUT THIS, UH, WE'LL COPY THIS INTO THE RECORD TOO.
SO I WILL SWEAR YOU IN FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL GIVE YOU AN, UH, SO, UH, I GOTTA GET TO THE RIGHT PAGE HERE.
UH, ANYONE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER THE ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? I DO.
YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? MY NAME IS LOU LANGAN, AND MY SPOUSE'S NAME IS LINDA, AND WE ARE RESIDENT OF 1 0 5 NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, NUMBER ONE 17.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.
AND THEY ARE NOT RELATED TO TRAFFIC, THEY'RE RELATED TO PARKING.
FIRST OF ALL, AS ELIZABETH JANSEN POINTED OUT, TO CREATE PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE ON NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET TO COPY WHAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE, THAT WOULD REQUIRE 16 FEET.
THE LEVEL THERE IS RIGHT ABOUT SIX FEET.
THAT CERTAINLY WOULD INVOLVE THE STATE AND POSSIBLY FEDERAL INPUT OR APPROVAL TO PUSH THAT OUT AND TO GO INTO THAT FLOOD ZONE.
THE SECOND THING I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ABOUT PARKING IS THERE WAS A STUDY MENTIONED ABOUT THE PAID FOR PARKING IN OUR BUILDING THAT WAS ON A, DONE ON AUGUST 8TH, I THINK ON A HOT DAY ON A WEDNESDAY OR ON A, YEAH, ON A WEDNESDAY.
I DO NOT CONSIDER THAT A REPRESENTATIVE STUDY GO THERE ON A FRIDAY.
AND TO THINK THAT THERE ARE A HUNDRED PARKING PLACES IN THAT BUILDING AVAILABLE IS A DREAM.
SO I DO CONSIDER THAT STUDY NOT A REPRESENTATIVE, UH, CASE OF THE PARKING SITUATION IN, IN THE, THE PAID FOR PARKING.
IN ADDITION, THAT PAID FOR PARKING IS QUITE, QUITE EXPENSIVE.
I THINK IT'S THE DAILY RATE NOW OF $25.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, NOW, I'M GOING TO END UP WITH TRAFFIC.
LIKE TODAY, I PULL OUT OF OUR GARAGE AND OFTEN THERE'S PARKING OF FEDEX, UPS, TRASH RECYCLE TRUCKS, AND THE US POSTAL SERVICE IN THE STREET.
I HAVE TO EASE OUT VERY, VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE I MAKE A LEFT TURN IF I DON'T WANNA MAKE SURE I DON'T GET HIT.
SO ALL THE ADDITIONS, AND LIKE MS. JENSEN SAID, WE ARE NOT NIMBYS.
WE ARE VERY INVOLVED IN THE PARK RECREATION, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT IS, UH, THAT IS ON THE, ON THE DOCKET RIGHT NOW.
HOWEVER, THAT STREET TODAY ALREADY IS A STREET TO BE DRIVEN WITH CAUTION AND WITH ALL THE ADDITIONS THAT ARE COMING, THE DOUBLE PARKING, THE LANE PARKING, THE PROPOSED PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS A REAL CHALLENGE TO GO OUT THERE, 16 FEET IS GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT, UH, IMPEDIMENT ON SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY AND BEING ABLE TO BE IN THAT PARK AREA.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS I REALLY WANTED TO COVER IS THE PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE, THE
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PARKING IN THE BUILDING, AND THE CURRENT SITUATION THAT ALREADY EXISTS OF THE PARKING IN THE STREET FOR ANY DELIVERY, FOR ANY PICKUP, FOR ANYTHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN THAT AREA.IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK? NOPE.
SO BOARD, I THINK MAYBE WE, UH, MAYBE WE JUST GO, I MEAN THE, AS THE KIND OF BIT IN ORDER OF HOW YOU PRESENTED IT, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE? KIND OF THE USES THE SITE LAYOUT AND THEN KIND OF PARKING AND KIND OF THE GENERIC THINGS.
MAYBE WE START ON, START ON THAT SIDE.
I MIGHT SUGGEST, SINCE THE FIRST ITEM WE ARE ASKING YOU TO VOTE ON IS THE PARKING PLAN.
AND SINCE THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF SOME OF THE DISCUSSION, MAYBE WE TACKLE THAT HEAD ON.
SO I THINK PARKING IS ONE OF THE MORE COMPLEX, UH, COMPLEX CHALLENGES THAT ARE DOWN HERE.
SO, UH, FROM THE BOARD STANDPOINT IS THAT, YES.
SO I WOULD ASSUME AND HOPE, UH, THAT THE CITY WOULD BE WELL AWARE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND THAT THE APPROVALS AND, AND WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MOVE THAT AB.
'CAUSE EVEN, UH, THERE'S FLOODPLAIN IMPACTS ON THE NEW BUILDING AND ALL OF THOSE.
ONE THING I DIDN'T GET INTO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL OF HOW THEY'RE HANDLING THE FLOODPLAIN, UH, WITH THE BUILDING WILL, WILL DEAL THAT WITH, WITH THAT, UH, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS ABSOLUTELY ALL OF THOSE, UH, UH, ISSUES ARE BEING CONSIDERED VERY CAREFULLY.
UH, WHAT I WOULD ALSO ADD IS THE SPACES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF NORTH RIVERVIEW, THE, THE EAST SIDE, THOSE ARE NOT REQUIRED PER THE DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE BASED ON THE ENVIRONMENT IN THERE, BUT THEY ARE BEING LOOKED AT TO TRY TO PROVIDE SOME RELIEF IN SOME FASHION IN THERE.
SO IF IN THE END THOSE ARE NOT, UH, DOABLE, THOSE WILL NOT HAPPEN.
BUT ALL INDICATIONS BASED ON THE STUDY SO FAR IS THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE 'EM WITHOUT IMPACTING THE FLOOD PLAIN.
AND THAT WOULD BE MY EXPERIENCE HAVING DONE REVIEWS FOR FLOODPLAINS.
SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS THAT, UM, THE GARAGE AND THE PAID PUBLIC PARKING WAS ANTICIPATED TO BE USED, PAID FOR IN PUBLIC PARKING, CORRECT? WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT? YEAH.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE? YES.
SO THE FULL USE OF THOSE SPACES WAS INTENDED, RIGHT? UH, CORRECT.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
THE, UM, SPEAKER MENTIONED THAT THE STUDIES WERE NOT DONE ON FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT.
IS THAT TRUE? THE TRAFFIC STUDIES? I BELIEVE THE STUDY WAS DONE ON THURSDAY, AND I BELIEVE THE REASON WHY THAT WAS DONE ON THURSDAY IS I MENTIONED EARLIER THE DATA THAT WE HAVE FROM THE LIBRARY GARAGE, AND MAYBE THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, SHOWED THAT THURSDAYS ARE THE BUSIEST.
AGAIN, THAT IT COULD BE, IT COULD VERY WELL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THERE.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS SOME POTENTIALLY SYNERGY IN THERE THAT IF THIS ONE IS BUS BUSIEST ON FRIDAY AND THE OTHER ONE IS BUSIEST ON THURSDAY, THAT UH, THERE WAS A COMFORT LEVEL THAT, UH, OVERALL, UH, THERE WAS ADEQUATE PARKING TO SERVE THESE.
ARE YOU SAYING THE ENTIRE TOWN OF DUBLIN DOES NOT GO TO THE LIBRARY ON A FRIDAY NIGHT?
UM, AND IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT IF THERE'S BEEN ANY MORE CLARIFICATION ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH NORTH BLACKSMITH.
I THINK ALL OF US WERE REALLY HOPING THAT WE HAD ALL THOSE DETAILS FOR THE PUBLIC COMPONENT, UH, READY AT THIS POINT, UH, WE DO NEED TO, UM, GET COUNCIL'S INPUT, BUT REGARDLESS, IN GENERAL, I THINK THE, AT LEAST THE APPROACH THAT WE FEEL IS NEEDED THERE IS THAT BLACKSMITH LANE THERE.
THERE'S THIS DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S THE THREE HOUSES THAT, UH, WERE AUCTIONED OFF.
AND YOU, YOU'VE SEEN THEM ON YOUR AGENDAS.
THERE'S OTHER IMPROVEMENTS HAPPENING, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BLACKSMITH.
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WE DO FEEL THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE COMFORTABLE FOR PEDESTRIANS, BUT STILL NEEDS TO ALSO ALLOW VEHICULAR ACCESS.SO THE DISCUSSION THERE AND, AND THE QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE LIMIT? DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY TO BRIDGE STREET OR DOES IT ST STOP AT WING HILL? AND WHAT EXACTLY THAT CHARACTER IS? THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT WE ARE GONNA NEED TO VET WITH COUNCIL.
UH, BUT AT THIS POINT, THE THOUGHT PROCESSES THAT WOULD BE, UM, WIDENED TO ABOUT 18 FEET, WHICH IS NOT VERY WIDE, BUT JUST ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLES.
AND THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF A DEMARCATION WITH THAT WITHOUT RACE CURBS SO THAT IT FEELS LIKE A PEDESTRIAN FIRST ENVIRONMENT, BUT NOT PREVENT VEHICLES.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE THEME THAT WE'RE TRYING TO APPROACH THIS WHOLE PROJECT WITH IS PEDESTRIANS NEED TO BE, TO FEEL COMFORTABLE.
IT'S NOT A CAR ENVIRONMENT, BUT WE CAN'T WORK AROUND TOTALLY CROSSING IT OFF TO CARS.
UH, ONE, ONE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS ALSO THAT THE, THE INTENT, AND AGAIN, UH, ALL OF THOSE ARE BEING FINALIZED, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S REALLY NO GOOD SIDEWALK ON, UM, NORTH STREET TO GET YOU FROM THE PARKING GARAGE TO, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH WALKING IN THE STREET OR WALKING PARTIALLY ON THE OSCARS BUILDING.
UH, THERE'S ALSO THE, UM, WEST PLAZA, WHEN YOU GET OFF THE BRIDGE RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE A FEW STEPS AND, AND THEN IT TERMINATES.
AND IN ALL OF THOSE CASES, THE INTENT WITH THE, UH, OVERALL IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE INCLUDING PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES TO, UH, MAKE IT MORE USABLE.
AND THEN AGAIN, ALLOWING FOR BIKE PARKING AND, AND SO FORTH.
FOR ME, I MEAN, I HAVE A, OKAY, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING, I MEAN PARKING SLASH GENERAL CIRCULATION OF TRAFFIC IN A GENERAL SENSE.
UM, CERTAINLY THIS IS A NOT THE EASIEST PLACE TO GET TO, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE ON, IF YOU'RE AT, UH, IF YOU'RE ON HIGH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM ONE OF THE PARKING GARAGES, GETTING DOWN THERE IS CERTAINLY A, IT'S GOT SOME CHALLENGES.
SO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FIND THE WAY TO GET, MAKE IT A DA ACCEPT ACCESSIBLE IN, IN A GENERAL SENSE.
I THINK SOMEHOW WITH THE, I MEAN, THAT'S A BIT WITH THE CITY, SO WE HAVE TO SORT THAT OUT.
BUT CERTAINLY AS WE, UM, LOOK DOWN INTO THE NEW BUILDING, AND I, AT SOME POINT WE'RE TRYING TO GET A PARKING FLOW OF HOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
'CAUSE FOR ME, IF YOU, AS YOU MOVE INTO THE NEW BUILDING AND INTO, LET'S SAY INTO THE RESTAURANT, I'LL SAY, WHICH WILL HAVE A LOT MORE FLOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WILL PEOPLE WHO, UH, DON'T, LET'S SAY HAVE A, SOME DISABILITY OR SOME HANDICAP, I MEAN, HOW DO THEY, IF YOU ONLY HAVE A FEW SPOTS, WHAT DO THEY DO? YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE HAVE DROP OFF IN THAT AREA? HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE CREATE SPACE KIND OF AT THAT BOTTOM? AND IT, I THINK, UH, I FORGET WHICH ONE WAS SAYING THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE 80 PEOPLE IN THE SPACE, IN THE, IN THE NEW SPACE.
YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE WOULD SOMEBODY DROP THEM OFF IF THEY, THEY HAD AN ISSUE, HOW WOULD THEY DO SOME OF THAT? SO, YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT, UM, THIS IS MORE COLLABORATIVE.
'CAUSE FOR ME, I HAVE A BIG CONCERN ABOUT WE WANT TO BE CONNECTED AND MEAN.
CONNECTED IS HERE, WE TALK ABOUT DIGITAL, BUT BEING CONNECTED WITH PEOPLE.
HOW DO THEY FIND THEIR WAY DOWN THERE ON A DAY WHEN THE TRASH TRUCKS THERE, THE, YOU KNOW, FOOD IS GONNA COME INTO THE 62.
IT'S REALLY UNCLEAR TO ME ABOUT HOW THAT FLOW IS GONNA GO.
AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S NECESSARILY WITH YOU, IT'S WITH THE CITY.
BUT FOR ME, FROM A PARKING PLAN THAT'S A DA AND THEN HOW PEOPLE ARE GONNA USE THE EXISTING SPACES, UH, FOR ME IT'S A BIT CONCERNING HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE DOWN THERE AND WALKING DOWN THERE.
HOW DO THEY, I MEAN, HOW DO WE VISUALIZE WHAT THAT CAN LOOK LIKE REALLY ON A TUESDAY AFTERNOON WHEN THE TRASH TRUCK AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE DELIVERIES THERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A BIG CONFERENCE.
SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH MOBILITY.
HOW, HOW DO YOU SEE THAT? SURE.
ONE, I WANT SURE, EVERYONE THAT THERE'S LITERALLY 50 ENGINEERS WORKING ON THE PROJECT
AND, AND THE USED UNIQUE THING IS MOST DEVELOPERS COMPANIES HERE, I HAVE TO DO A STUDY AND I DO THIS, AND I'M TRYING TO SHOW A PARKING WHAT I NEED.
IN REALITY, THE CITY IS DOING THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WITH THEIR CITY ENGINEERS, LOOKING AT THEIR CITY PLAN, LOOKING AT THEIR CITY GARAGE, DOING AN INDEPENDENT STUDY ON PARKING WITH CONSULTANTS, EVERYTHING TO ENSURE THAT OUR USE IS ACCURATE TO MEET THEIR, THEIR GUIDELINES.
SO TO THAT, TO THAT POINT, I THINK IF YOU LOOK, REALLY LOOK AT ACCESS, WE ORIGINALLY HAD A LOT MORE STREET PARKING.
AND ONE OF THE, THE CITY PAID FOR A FULL TRAFFIC STUDY, TRAFFIC FLOW STUDY, OF WHICH THE DEPARTMENT DECIDED WE DON'T WANT PARKING ON THE INTERIOR TO LIMIT TRAFFIC AND ALL.
AND THEN I KIND OF ADVOCATED FOR, HEY, I WANT MORE A DA SPOTS IN THE FRONT FOR DROP OFF AND ALSO UPS PULLOVER, RIGHT? SO THAT WE ALL KIND OF WORK THROUGH THAT SECTION.
BUT IN ORDER TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU HAVE
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TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE USE PATTERNS OF THE VILLAGE.OKAY? SO THINK ABOUT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT TO FIVE.
WE HAVE ATCH USES, OFFICE USES.
THEY'RE PARKING IN GARAGES, WALKING DOWN, PARKING IN A FEW STREET SPOTS, WALKING OVER, RIGHT? IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT FEEL.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE RESTAURANT FLOW, WHICH WILL BE A LOT THERE.
THERE'LL BE PARKING A FEW SPOTS AND WALKING OVER.
EVERYONE WILL COME AND BE DOWN FROM THE MAIN PARKING GARAGE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF SPOTS ON THE MAIN PARKING GARAGE AND A LIBRARY ON MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT TO FIVE.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER LOTS WILL BE COMING DOWN NORTH STREET, RIGHT? ALL THE WAY THROUGH THERE.
OR IT'LL BE COMING OFF OF, WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO IS THEY PARK ON THE BRIDGE PARK SIDE, WALK OVER THE BRIDGE, COME BACK THROUGH THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE ON NO SOLICITING, OR IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE PARK, YOU'LL BE COMING THROUGH THE BACK PART OF THE PARK, CONNECTED UP THROUGH POTENTIALLY A CANOPY WALK THAT PROS BACK INTO THE RESTAURANT.
SO THIS WHOLE THING, AND THE GOAL IN THE RFP WAS TO CREATE A CONNECTED COMMUNITY OF PEDESTRIANS.
AND YOU COULD SEE IT'S LIKE A BIG FUNNEL, MOVING PEOPLE SAFELY ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
THAT'S WHY MINIMIZING TRAFFIC AND PARKING SPOTS THROUGH THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT.
BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME TRAFFIC.
SO WHEN THE, LIKE TRASH GETS PICKED UP EARLY MORNING AND USUALLY LATE AT NIGHT,
SO YOU'LL COME DOWN NORTH STREET, TAKE A RIGHT, MOST OF THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC'S ON RIVERVIEW STREET, WE THOUGHT THROUGH THAT AS WELL, RIGHT? SO THEN YOU GO SATURDAY NIGHT, THE OFFICE IS PRETTY MUCH NOT IN USE, RIGHT? YOU MIGHT HAVE A 50, 60, 60 PERSON EVENT, A DA, YOU'LL HAVE THREE OR FOUR SPOTS, YOU'LL ALSO BE DROPPING OFF, LIKE, I'LL BE DROPPING OFF MY MOTHER GOING PARKING, THEY'LL BE GOING IN AND I'LL PICK HER BACK UP, RIGHT? SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AT NAUSEAM, HONESTLY, THROUGH, THROUGH THIS DESIGN AND VALIDATED THROUGH THOSE PARKING STUDIES.
AND AS A USER, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I NEED PARKING.
SO IF I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH WAYS TO GET PEOPLE THERE, I CAN'T BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO I THINK THE SOLUTION IN WHICH YOU WATCH IS LIKE PEOPLE USING PARKING GARAGES AND THE BRIDGE, HISTORIC DUBLIN IS DESIGNED, THE BEST HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THE WORLD ARE DESIGNED TO BE PEDESTRIAN, WALKABLE, FRIENDLY, AND ACCESSING IT CLOSE TO THE HISTORY.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK ALL THE STUDIES THAT YOU HAVE WILL VALIDATE ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT REASSURES ME TO KNOW THAT MY USES WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES.
UM, IF I CAN ADD JUST A COUPLE, COUPLE THINGS.
MR. DAVIS IS ABSOLUTELY, WE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A MILLION DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, AND I THINK ACTUALLY THE PARKING AND THE TRAFFIC GO HAND IN HAND.
SO THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY STAFF, WERE REALLY WANTING TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES IN THIS QUADRANT FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT WERE MENTIONED IN TERMS OF THE FACT THAT THE GRID IS NOT CONNECTED AND DID NOT WANNA MAKE THE PLACE MORE ABOUT CARS.
AND SO TO MINIMIZE THE, UH, VEHICULAR CIRCULATION IT PICK, IT ALSO IMPACTS WHERE PA AND SO IT'S SOMEWHAT INTENTIONAL TO TRY TO GET THE TRAFFIC AWAY FROM GETTING DOWN HERE.
NOW, UH, WE WENT THROUGH A VERSION WHERE THERE WAS NO ON STREET PARKING AT ALL IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AND MR. DAVIS WAS EXPRESSING THE SAME CONCERNS, UH, NEED A DA ACCESS NEED, UH, DROP OFF, NEED DELIVERIES.
AND, AND SO, UM, THAT'S KIND PART OF THE EVOLUTION OF WHAT, HOW WE'VE GOTTEN INTO THIS POINT.
AND ALONG THAT, UM, ALL THESE POINTS ABOUT PARKING, HOW DOES THE CITY VIEW, UM, THE END OF NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET PASS, WING HILL LANE? BECAUSE THERE'S, IS THERE GONNA BE, I NOTE THAT THEY HAVE FOUR SPACES INDICATED AND TWO SPACES DOWN TOWARDS, UH, WHERE BRIDGE STREET IS, BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE DOWN THERE TO TURN AROUND.
THERE'S NOT A, UH, ROUNDABOUT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO HOW WILL THAT ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC AND HOW WILL THAT IMPACT THE HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT THERE? YEAH, THAT, THAT DEFINITELY WAS ONE OF THE, UH, HALF A MILLION THINGS WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT, UH, AS WELL THERE, THERE WAS A STUDY EARLIER ABOUT TRYING TO CREATE SOME SORT OF A, UH, TURNAROUND OR FULL CUL-DE-SAC THERE, BUT TO, TO GET A REAL UP TO CODE ONE, YOU WOULD REALLY ENCROACH INTO THE, UH, STEEP SLOPES THERE, AND IT BECOMES A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.
SO WITH THIS SCENARIO, AND AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE DETAILS ARE BEING FINALIZED, BUT THE IDEA IS TO CREATE THIS, WHAT'S KNOWN AS A HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUND SO THAT THERE IS A WAY AT THE, UH, SOUTHERN END OF NORTH RIVERVIEW TO, UH, AT LEAST BE ABLE TO TURN IT AROUND, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY GOING COMPLETELY IN A FORWARD MOTION, UH, BUT SOMEHOW BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS NOW.
BUT THE OTHER THING THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT IS TO CREATE, AND AGAIN, THOSE DETAILS ARE EVOLVING, BUT WHEN YOU
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GET FROM WING HILL TO WHERE IT BECOMES PURELY RESIDENTIAL TO CREATE SOMETHING WITH A PAVEMENT PATTERN OR WITH SOME OTHER VISUAL CUES TO INDICATE THAT THAT'S NOT WHERE YOU REALLY SHOULD BE GOING.AND THERE'S A TWO COMPETING THINGS THERE, BECAUSE WE WANNA PRESERVE THAT, UH, FOR THOSE RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS THAT HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN THERE AND NOT OVERBURDEN IT.
AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS ALSO AN ENTRANCE TO THE PARK AT THAT LOCATION BY THE, UH, VEHICULAR BRIDGE.
AND SO, SO THOSE ARE, THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF A TURNAROUND, NOT A COMPLETE CIRCLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, BUT WE ARE STUDYING HOW TO BALANCE THOSE COMPETING INTERESTS.
AND, AND THAT TURNAROUND, THE BIGGEST THING IS THE DUBLIN FIRE DEPARTMENT ATTENDS OUR MEETINGS.
THAT TURNAROUND HAS TO BE FIRE CODE COMPLIANT.
THAT MEANS A FIRE TRUCK HAS TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT AND BACK UP, UH, BLACK WING HILL LANE, RIGHT? SO ALL OF THAT WAS TAKEN EXTENSION, THAT'S WHERE THE TURNING RADIUS, THAT'S WHERE THE BACKDROP WAS.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE FIRE ONE IS REALLY WHAT DRIVES, I KNOW, LET'S, THAT, THAT WAS HIGHLY CONSIDERED WITH, UH, LITERALLY THERE'S, I THINK WE LOST FIVE DIFFERENT DESIGNS ON THAT THING.
I MEAN, BUT THEN WHAT STOPS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RUM KEY TRUCKS OR THE FEDEX TRUCKS OR ANY OF THOSE FROM GOING DOWN AND TURNING AROUND ALSO, I MEAN, THAT BECOMES QUITE A THOROUGHFARE WHEN IF YOU HAVE NO, UNLESS YOU HAVE IT'S RESTRICTED ON NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY WAY TO STOP ALL OF THE TRAFFIC THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, INCLUDING TRASH, UH, DELIVERIES, FOOD DELIVERIES, UM, PARCEL POSTS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS FROM GOING DOWN AND HAVING TO TURN AROUND TO COME BACK UP.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU NEED SHOULD LOOK AT IS THE AMOUNT OF PARKING VOL, TRA TRAFFIC VOLUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPARED TO STREETS IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS UNBELIEVABLY LOW.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO TRASH, TWO TRUCKS, MAYBE A DAY AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT 15 DELIVERY, THAT MEANS 15 CARS ON A CIRCULAR LOOP DURING A DAY.
THAT IS AN UNBELIEVABLY LOW AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
AND FOR A ROAD STUDY, LIKE THAT'S WHAT IT'S SHOWING THAT IF YOU REMOVE THE PARKING, THE ONLY GOOD VEHICLES GOING, ARE YOU THE RESIDENCE, THE FRONT SPOTS, OR YOU'RE CIRCLING BACK THROUGH, RIGHT.
FROM A ROAD TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, I MEAN, I, THEY'RE THE TRAFFIC IN, LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, IT CLEARLY SHOWS THE AMOUNT OF LOW VOL, LOW VOLUME TRAFFIC, AND HOW IT'S A LOW CONCERN.
WELL, CERTAINLY FOR TODAY, IT, IT WOULD BE LOWER, BUT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARK AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 37 45 AND 53 SITES AS WELL AS THE NEW ATCH, THERE WILL BE MORE TRAFFIC DAY AND EVENING WEEKENDS, ET CETERA.
YEAH, I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S NO QUESTION.
THERE WILL BE, WILL BE TRAFFIC AND THERE WILL BE, UM, PROBABLY MORE TRAFFIC THAN THERE IS NOW.
UH, BUT IF YOU'VE BEEN ON NORTH RIVERVIEW, I, I THINK IT GETS USED PRETTY HEAVILY, UM, RIGHT NOW.
AND SO THERE WERE QUITE A FEW DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHETHER SOME OF THOSE SHOULD BE ONE WAY, UH, STREETS OR NOT.
AND I THINK THE CONCLUSION WAS ULTIMATELY THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE ONE WAY, BUT WE SHOULD FIND WAYS TO LIMIT, UH, THE TRAFFIC SOUTH OF WING HILL LANE AND THEN ALLOW THOSE VEHICULAR, UH, THOSE DELIVERY VEHICLES TO CIRCULATE AROUND THAT LOOP.
BUT TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC STUDIES ALSO DON'T GO OFF OF CURRENT USE.
THEY GO OFF OF THE, LIKE THE OCCUPANCY, THE FUTURE USE, WHAT'S IN EVERY BUILDING, WHAT THE USE IS, WHAT THE TIME OF DAY IS.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THAT'S WHAT THE HEAD OF TRANSPORTATION HAS TO REVIEW AND APPROVE FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THIS.
THAT'S THEIR SOLUTION TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT FARMER'S MARKET ON A SATURDAY.
SO THAT WOULD CLOSE THE STREET DOWN, CORRECT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE MAJORITY THAT I SAW, THE CANOPIES WERE ALL DOWN NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET IN FRONT OF THE, SO THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER SITUATION, YOU KNOW, IS THAT GONNA BE AT THE SAME TIME THAT, UH, THEY'RE DOING IT ACROSS THE RIVER.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE FARMER'S MARKETS GOING THE SAME DAY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS, UM, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE REAL, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO ART EVENTS OR STUFF LIKE THAT ON SATURDAY, THAT'S GONNA IMPACT THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, CAN THEY REALLY BLOCK THAT OFF BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GOT A CONCERN ABOUT PARKING AND, AND YEAH.
AND I, I WOULD SAY WITH THIS, IF, IF THERE IS USE OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THERE WOULD BE A SPECIAL, UH, OR AN EVENT PERMIT, JUST LIKE WHAT THEY DO IN BRIDGE BUS.
SO IF THERE IS A PROPOSAL TO CLOSE THE STREET OR WHETHER THAT'S A A, A REGULAR OCCURRENCE, IT WOULD BE
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VETTED BY POLICE AND FIRE AND TRAFFIC AND EVERYBODY ELSE AT THAT POINT.SO, SO THE EVENT PARKING THEN WOULD GET PUSHED OVER TO THE, UH, THE PRIVATE PAY OR, OR THE PUBLIC PAY OR THE, THAT'S AGAIN, PART OF THE REASON WHY THE THINKING IS WE WANNA MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT GO INTO THIS AREA, BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO KEEP IT OPEN FOR DELIVERIES, DROP OFFS, EMERGENCY ACCESS AND SO FORTH.
SO THE, UH, THERE, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THOSE STREETS WOULD BE COMPLETELY CLOSED.
UH, THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO BE FIRED ACCESS, BUT I THINK THEY WERE, THEY, MEANING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS COMFORTABLE ENOUGH THAT IF THERE STILL ROOM FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH THAT, THAT POTENTIALLY COULD HAPPEN.
BUT THOSE DETAILS WOULD HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT VERY CAREFULLY AS UH, OKAY, I'M GONNA JUMP IN BECAUSE LISA'S BEEN TRYING TO TALK FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THEN I WANNA GO, SO
'CAUSE HIS ACCESS TO HIS PROPERTY, HIS DRIVEWAY IS THERE, BUT TRASH FOR ALL THREE OF THOSE HOUSES, AS WELL AS THE BACKS OF THE HOUSES OR THE, UM, BUSINESSES THAT ARE FACING HIGH STREET.
AND FOR THAT, THAT'S ALL GONNA BE OFF OF NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHERE TRUCKS ARE GOING GONNA GO.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE TRASH TRUCKS ALL THE WAY DOWN NORTH RIVER STREET.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR AM I WRONG IN THAT? I MEAN, THEY MIGHT BE, UH, TO THE RESTAURANT AND THE NEW BUILDING AND YES, I, I KNOW BECAUSE ON SOUTH RIVERVIEW, THEY PICK THEM UP EARLY IN THE MORNING,
SO IS THAT WHERE THE TRASH ACCESS IS FOR THOSE HOUSES AND YEAH.
SO THE TWO HOUSES, UH, THAT ARE JUST SOUTH OF WING HILL, BOTH OF THOSE CAN BE ACCESSED FROM BLACKSMITH LANE.
THE THIRD HOUSE, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD THAT RETAINING WALL.
AND SO THE ONLY VEHICULAR ACCESS, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE REASON WHY THAT SECTION OF NORTH RIVERVIEW EVEN CONTINUES TO BE THERE.
SO THAT ONE WE WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ON RESOLVING.
BUT HIS TRASH PICKUP WILL PROBABLY BE ON BLACKSMITH LANE, I WOULD ASSUME.
EVEN THOUGH THERE'S AN ACCESS WALL OR NO? UH, I'M, I'M, OR YOU DON'T KNOW
I THINK THEY GET PICKED UP SOMEWHERE RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
SO I DON'T SEE THE TRAFFIC, THE DELIVERY TRAFFIC, THE TRASH TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING DOWN NORTH RIVERVIEW AND SERVICING THOSE THREE BUILDINGS, WHICH ACTUALLY IT'S NOT GONNA DO BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BRING THEIR TRASH TO THE NEW BUILD.
IS THAT CORRECT? THOSE THREE LITTLE BUILDINGS, OUR, OUR TRASH WILL THANK YOU.
OUR TRASH FROM THE ALMOST 95% OF THE TRASH THIS VILLAGE WILL BE IN THAT RED CABIN.
THE REST IS OFFICE TRASH, RIGHT.
BECAUSE IT'S THE RESTAURANT, IT'S OFFICE TRASH IN A FEW BASKETS HERE.
RIGHT? SO ALMOST ALL THE RESTAURANT TRASH WILL GO BEHIND THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT CO HATCHER NORTH HIGH IS, RIGHT NOW WE ONLY DO DELIBERATE PICKUPS THREE DAYS A WEEK.
UM, WE, OUR GOAL IS TO PUT IT THERE AND INCREASE IT TO ONE FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
WE DID BUILD ON THE SOUTH PART OF THE NEW BUILD ANOTHER INC UH, PLACE TO PUT TRASH AND BINS AS YOU WALK DOWN.
AND IF YOU HAD TO DO THAT IN EMERGENCY, YOU WOULD, OR YOU WOULD COME DOWN AND CIRCLE BACK UP AND GET OUTTA THERE THAT WAY.
OR YOU'D LOOP AROUND AND COME BACK OUT THAT WAY.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
THE CONCERN FOR TRUCKS THAT ARE GONNA SERVICE THE NEW BUILD AND 62 AND THE THREE BUILDINGS ISN'T GONNA HUNG, GET HUNG UP IN THE SOUTHERN TURNAROUND BECAUSE THEY'LL GO BACK UP WING HILL.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THINGS THAT'LL BOTHER THOSE HOUSES ARE THINGS THAT ARE BOTHERING THE HOUSES.
AND I CAN ASSURE YOU, THOSE TRASH COMPANIES WILL DICTATE WHERE YOU PICK IT UP.
THEY WILL NOT GO DOWN THAT THING.
SO JUST MAYBE JUST, YEAH, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING, I MEAN, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF STUFF TO DO HERE, SO I DON'T WANT TO GET, SO, BUT I MEAN, I THINK ONE THING I THINK FOR THE NEXT TIME, I MEAN, I THINK A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE, JUST, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THESE ALL, I MEAN, I THINK AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF WE WANT TO LIMIT WHAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GONNA LIMIT TRAFFIC ON ONE SIDE, IS IT ALL, LET'S SAY IT'S ALL A DA OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT CAN WE COME BACK AND MAYBE IN THE NEXT TIME EVERYBODY, CAN WE JUST MAYBE TAKE A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE IN THE FINAL, WHEN WE DO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT, JUST TO UNDERSTAND HOW DO WE LIMIT TRAFFIC? I AGREE WITH YOU.
THERE SHOULD NOT BE A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE CIRCULATING AROUND THERE.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHEN WE COME BACK? SO WHAT, I MEAN, IF WE, I MEAN WE, I THINK WE, IT'S ON OUR LIST.
WE'RE CONSIDERING IT TONIGHT WHEN COMING BACK.
BUT IF WE PUT A CONDITION HERE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN A LITTLE DEEPER HERE, BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I MEAN I, I THINK WE'RE NOT GONNA GET, UNLESS WE FIND A
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WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE END, I THINK WE'RE SAYING HOW ARE WE GONNA LIMIT THE, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC DOWN THERE, RIGHT? THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE TRYING TO SAY.THE TRUCKS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE IN SOMEHOW REASONABLE SHAPE, I THINK.
SO JUST TO BE A HUNDRED AGAIN, SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE CITY IS DOING THE ROADS, THE CITY'S DOING THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE CITY'S DOING THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THE CITY'S DOING ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THOSE.
WE CAN'T PUT A CONDITION ON THE CITY.
LET, LET ME JUST, UH, MAYBE AND, AND WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THERE.
BUT JUST CLARIFY, THE BOARD'S PURVIEW, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
'CAUSE WITH, WITH TRAFFIC STUDIES, THOSE ARE THE TECHNICAL ISSUES WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY ARE REVIEWED SEPARATELY AND, AND IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND SO THOSE ARE VETTED BY THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY STAFF AND THEY LOOK AT THE METHODOLOGY AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO WHAT'S NOW, I THINK IT, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT DELI DELIVERIES AND TRASH PICKUP AND THINGS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE RELATED TO THE PROJECT.
BUT THOSE ARE ONES THAT, UH, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, THOSE SERVICES WILL, WILL NEED TO BE THERE.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
SO THE PARKING PLAN IS, UH, YOUR PURVIEW AND THE, UH, USUALLY THE, UH, CRITERIA FOR YOUR REVIEW IS DOESN'T MEET THE STANDARDS THAT ARE PRESCRIBED IN THE CODE, UH, BASED ON THE FINDINGS.
SO, UH, WHETHER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LEVEL OF FINDINGS OR NOT, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT'S KINDA, YEAH.
BUT I MEAN, CERTAINLY WE'RE GONNA COME BACK 'CAUSE A DA AND THESE THINGS ARE SIT THOSE, THOSE SPACES SIT INSIDE THE PARKING PLAN.
SO AS WE JUST CLARIFY IT, WHAT THOSE WILL BE IN THE FUTURE, THOSE, THOSE ABSOLUTELY WILL BE CLARIFIED.
'CAUSE THAT EVENTUALLY COMES BACK TO HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE CIRCULATING AROUND THERE.
SO FROM A PARKING PLAN, THOSE, THOSE SPACES SIT WITH US.
CAN, CAN I ASK ONE, ONE MORE QUESTION THEN JUST RELATED TO THE PARKING PLAN? SO WHAT IS THE, WELL, OH, WAIT TILL MATT GETS BACK.
UH, COULD YOU SHARE WITH ME JUST, UH, WHAT'S THE ANTICIPATED, UM, OCCUPANCY FOR THE NEW BUILD, FOR THE NEW BUILD CO HEDGE AND WHAT'S THE OCCUPANCY FOR THE RESTAURANT? JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, YOU'RE TESTING TO THINKING ABOUT TESTING MY MEMORY NOW.
WELL, I'M THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE PARKING PLAN, I DON'T HAVE IT ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
DO YOU HAVE IT? UM, WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL OCCUPANCY FOR THE, UH, FOR THE NEW BILL.
UH, BECAUSE THE, THE PARKING COUNT IS NOT BASED ON OCCUPANCY, IT'S BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND SO BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE NEW BILL, THERE'S A NUMBER TO IT.
UM, AND I CAN'T, I I THINK IT'S IN THE PACKAGE SOMEWHERE.
UM, IT IS, IT'S NOT CITY'S HIGH HIGH FOR, FOR THE NEW BILL.
IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY LOW BUILDING THAT SIZE.
AND I'M ON SOUTH RIVERVIEW, SO I ANTICIPATE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK ON SOUTH RIVERVIEW AND WALK THROUGH, BUT I'M NOT GONNA, I KNEW THAT WHEN I MOVED THERE,
SO, BUT I DO HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE DRAWING.
THIS ONE OR THE ONE THAT HAS A
AT, AT THIS POINT IT'S LABELED WITH ONE SPACE.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE SPACES, UH, AGAIN, AS THE PROFILES OF THE STREET, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO WORK.
SO, UM, AS THE PROFILE THAT GETS RESOLVED, I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT TWO SPACES, ONLY, TWO SPACES FOR THE AREA, WHICH INCLUDES, I MEAN, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, I THINK YOU SAID, UH, WE NEEDED A HUNDRED OR 180 SPOTS OR 110 SPOTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S, TO ME, IT SEEMS VERY UNDERUTILIZED BECAUSE IF YOU ARE, UH, A DA, IF YOU ARE CHALLENGED IN MOBILITY, COMING DOWN NORTH STREET IS NOT AN OPTION REALLY.
I DON'T SEE SOMEBODY WHEELING OUT FROM, UH, THE LIBRARY PARKING GARAGE CROSSING THE STREET AND DOWN THE HILL.
I JUST THINK THAT'S, ARE AREN'T THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE KIND OF DICTATED.
AND IF YOU NOTICE IN MOST PARKING LOTS, MOST HANDICAP SPACES AREN'T USED ACTUALLY VERY OFTEN.
I MEAN, I WOULD DISPUTE THAT, BUT YEAH, I THINK YOU GET, YOU SEE A LOT OF 'EM USED.
BUT I THINK HERE IT'S BY CODE, RIGHT? I THINK, I MEAN, I, THAT'S EXACTLY IT.
WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW IF ONE IS ENOUGH OR NOT.
THEY MAY NOT HAVE TO HAVE TEN'S POINT.
IT'S WHATEVER THE CODE REQUIRES.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE APPROVING TODAY.
MY POINT, MY POINT OF CLARIFICATION WAS, IS THAT THE ANTICIPATED AMOUNT ONE, OR, AND HE SAID ONE OR TWO THAT AGAIN, THAT'S BEING, THAT, THAT'S
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DICTATED BY THE BUILDING CODE ULTIMATELY.AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, BUT NO OTHER FACTORS ARE CONSIDERED SUCH AS THE OTHER USES IN THE AREA.
AND AGAIN, I'M SORRY, LIKE THE ACTUAL CODE REQUIRED ZERO.
I'M ADVOCATING FOR AS MANY I, MY ADVOCATION IS TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES TO ALLOW AS MUCH ACCESS AS POSSIBLE.
THE AMOUNT OF SPACES THAT WE ARE, THE AMOUNT OF ACCESSIBILITY WE'RE DOING ALL ACROSS THE BOARD IS TO ALLOW ALL PEOPLE TO ATTEND THOSE SPACES.
SO I COULD, I COULD ASSURE YOU, WE WILL MEET OR EXCEED THE CODE ON ANY AADA A PARKING REQUIREMENT.
AND, AND THAT SYMBOL IS NOT MEANT TO SYMBOLIZE THAT SPECIFIC SPACE.
THAT SYMBOL IS MEANT TO SHOW THAT THAT'S WHERE THE A DA PARKING WOULD BE, UH, PROVIDED.
SO HERE, I THINK JUST AS WE, AS WE GO FORWARD, WE, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION AS WE MOVE INTO THE, IN THE NEXT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS AN ISSUE WITH THE PARKING PLAN.
SO, 'CAUSE THE PARKING PLAN REALLY IS ABOUT SPACES INSIDE THE 600 FEET PLUS, PLUS THE 20%.
AND I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA SAY THAT I LIKE THE PARKING PLAN, AND I LIKE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN SAYING ABOUT MOVING PEOPLE OUT OF THERE AND GETTING THEM ON FOOT DOWN HERE.
I, I RECOGNIZE THAT THE HANDICAP PEOPLE CAN'T DO THAT.
BUT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL TELL US WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE AND THERE'S NOT GONNA BE, ALL I WAS ASKING FOR WAS CLARIFICATION.
BUT THERE, WE CAN SEE IF WE, IF IT SOMEHOW MAKES SENSE TO HAVE MORE AND THAT COMES, THAT'LL COME FROM THE CITY.
IF IT SOMEHOW MAKES SENSE, WE, WE HAVE TO EXACTLY MEET.
AND IDEALLY, AS MR. DAVIS SAID, IF WE CAN PROVIDE MORE THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED, THAT'S, UH, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCE IN THAT GENERAL AREA.
AND THAT MAY INCORPORATE SOME TYPE OF A VALET PARKING PLAN TOO, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT, TO HELP EASE SOME OF THAT.
THE, AND AGAIN, THE CITY AND HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS ALL THE, ALL THE TENANCY.
THEY'RE WORKING ON A VALET PLAN, BUT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
THAT'S ACTUALLY THE PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE IT MORE ACCOMMODATING.
SO AGAIN, I I REALLY, THERE'S OVER, YOU COULD DO THIS, BUT I'M GUESSING THERE'S 5,000 PEOPLE PLUS THAT WALK ACROSS THAT BRIDGE ON A SATURDAY.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE, THERE'S GONNA BE SPREAD OUT
SO IT'S THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ALL 5,000 WALK BY YOUR APARTMENTS EVERY DAY.
ELEVATED THOSE BE WALKING IN DIFFERENT SPOTS.
SO THAT'S REALLY HOW PEOPLE GET THERE.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER ONE IS THAT, UH, I THINK WE HAD SOME, I MEAN, THERE WAS CERTAINLY FROM A PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DONE ON A WEEKDAY AND SAYING, IS THERE SOMETHING ON A SATURDAY NIGHT? IS THAT A DIFFERENT KIND OF, UH, USAGE THAT, UH, THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS OR IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT IN THE REPORT? OR WAS IT, OR WAS IT NOT LOOKED AT AND AND SHOULD IT BE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT NEW THINGS AND THEN PEOPLE TURN AWAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO? RIGHT.
I THINK THE REASON A, A COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD SAY THERE, I THINK THE REASON THEY DID IT ON A WEEK DAY IS BECAUSE OF, OF MOST OF THE NATURE OF ATCH IS THE OFFICE CO-WORKING NOW, THERE IS THAT EVENT CENTER AND YEAH, EXACTLY.
THERE'S SOME SYNERGIES IN TERMS OF THE TIMES WHEN CERTAIN ACTIVITIES ARE, ARE BUSIER THAN OTHERS.
AND AGAIN, THE, AT LEAST FOR THE LIBRARY GARAGE, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE OTHER ONE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA, BUT FOR THE LIBRARY, UH, GARAGE, IT SEEMED LIKE THOSE PANELS WERE GENERALLY THE SAME.
NEED ONE LAST COMMENT? I'M READY TO CALL THE QUESTION.
WHAT'S THAT? I'M READY TO CALL THE QUESTION.
DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION IF WE DO, AS I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PARKING PLAN? I THINK IT, WE'RE ALL THERE.
I DUNNO, ANY DISCUSSION IS THE NEXT QUE IT'S ALREADY SECONDING.
SO YOU READY FOR THE VOTE? YEP.
SHAUNA, I HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK.
I THINK WE TAKE JUST FIVE MINUTES HERE.
WE JUST WANNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK FOR EVERYBODY TO DO THAT.
OKAY,
LET'S ORGANIZE AROUND THE MOTIONS, NOT AROUND THE BUILDING.
WE CAN, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE BUILDINGS? WELL, YOU CAN ASK YEAH.
BUT YOU KNOW, FOR EACH ONE ASK IF WE TIMBER YEP.
AND THEN WE, THEN WE CAN, YEAH, WE'RE BACK.
DOING IT AROUND ONLY PLACE THEY'RE USING IT IS 62 NORTH.
WHAT ARE WE DOING? SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, I THINK WE'VE CHATTED ABOUT THAT.
I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE, WE HAVE THE, UH, LET'S SEE
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HERE.THE THREE, UH, SORRY, THE THREE FILE MOTION.
AND WE HAVE THE WAIVERS THAT WE HAVE HERE.
OR THE MOTIONS TO, TO, UM, TO USE, UH, OTHER THINGS.
SO I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE GO THROUGH THE, WE DO THROUGH THAT.
AND IF WE COME BACK AND WE'LL HAVE, IF WE HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK ON THE, ON THE, ON, UH, SPECIFIC THINGS ON THE BUILDING THAT THE CITY HAD INSIDE OF THAT.
WHAT, WHAT I MIGHT SUGGEST IS IF YOU WANNA GO THROUGH THE WAIVERS, AND THEN UNLESS THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC CONCERNS YOU HAVE WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OR OTHER THINGS, UH, CONFIRMED WITH MR. DAVIS THAT HE'S FINE WITH THE 11 CONDITIONS THAT WE RECOMMENDED AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH THOSE DETAILS.
SO, AND THE OTHER, JUST FOR ME, BEFORE THE OTHER, THERE WAS OTHER DETAILS INSIDE OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT THEY HAD ABOUT WORKING ON THE, THE, THE VENT AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
SO FROM, FROM OTHER CONDITIONS AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS IN THAT THEY'RE GONNA WORK TOGETHER WITH THE, WITH THE CITY TO, UH, TO ADDRESS.
LIKE WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEED, CORRECT.
SO, UM, SO, UH, UNLESS THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC, UH, QUESTION ABOUT, UH, UH, THE SECOND MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE TIMBER, FOR THE WAIVER ON THE TIMBER TECH? FOR THE, FOR ALL OF, FOR THE STAIRCASES IN THE DECKS AT THE 62 NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET PROPERTY AND THE NEW BUILDING? YEP.
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE, UH, WAIVER FOR USE OF THE TIMBER TECH AT THE DECKS AND STAIRCASES AT 62 NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET AND AT THE NEW KATCH BUILDING.
AND I WILL SECOND MR. JEWEL? YES.
AND THE THIRD ONE THEN ON THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
A MOTION FOR THAT? WELL, DOES ANYBODY WANNA DISCUSS THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH, UH, NO LENTILS OR PROJECTING TRIM? NO.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE FOR THE CONTEMPORARINESS OF THE BUILDING.
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE WAIVER FOR THE USE OF THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH NO LENTILS OR PROJECTING TRIM AT THE NEW BUILDING AND THE NORTH EDITION TO THE 52 NORTH RIVER STREET BUILDING.
WELL, I HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
I, I SUPPOSE I HAVE TO SECOND IT FIRST, SECOND.
AND THEN CAN I MOVE TO APPROVE THE WAIVER? WHAT WAS YOUR SECOND? I AM SECONDING THAT MOTION, HOWEVER YOU WELL, NO, IT WOULD, YOU SAID RIVER STREET.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE AMEND IT TO SAY RIVERVIEW STREET.
I'M SORRY, DID I SAY THAT? RIVERVIEW STREET 52 NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET.
AND THE NEW STRUCTURE ON RIVERVIEW STREET.
I WILL SECOND THAT AMENDED MOTION.
AND THEN ON THE FOURTH MOTION, SO NOW THERE'S A FEW THINGS.
SO WE, THE, THE PITCH WAIVERS FOR THE PORCHES, CANOPIES, UH, AND ALTERED REBUILD ADDITIONS ON THE, I'D SAY ON THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
SO ON ANY OF THOSE FOUR, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR COMMENTS ON, ON THE, ON THE FOUR BUILDINGS FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL SIDE, FROM THE, FROM THE ROOF PITCHES? IS THERE ANYTHING ON SIDE OF THAT THAT ANYBODY HAS? UM, YEAH, I THINK FROM THE, THE PROOF BRIDGE CANOPIES, AND THE ONLY ALTERATION I MIGHT'VE HAD IS JUST, JUST MAKE NEXT TIME.
'CAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE WHERE THE, THE, UH, CONDENSED, THE CONDENSED, JUST THE MECHANICAL STUFF ON SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS WASN'T, WASN'T CALLED OUT ON THOSE.
JUST WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE SO WE CAN SEE THEM NEXT TIME.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS THERE.
I THINK THEY, I THINK THEY DO.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR, UH, AND UNLESS THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR, UH, DO WE HAVE UH, UH, A MOTION FOR, UH, FOR THE UM, UH, ROOF PITCHES? SURE.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE, OH, GO AHEAD.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRINCIPLE AND MINOR ROOF PITCHES, WAIVERS AT PORCHES CANOPY AND ALTERED REBUILT ADDITIONS AT 37 45, 53 AND 62 NORTH RIVER VIEW STREET.
SO ON THE LAST ONE, SO IT'S THE, UH, TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, IF YOU CAN MAYBE PULL UP THE CONDITIONS ABOUT THE CONDITIONS? YEAH.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE CON ON THE, YEAH.
DO WE HAVE ANY, DOES THE APPLICANT AGREE WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS?
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YES.AND DO WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH ANY OF THE CON CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE? JUST THAT I WANNA EMPHASIZE THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE HISTORIC STONE WALL
MM-HMM,
YEAH, I ALSO HAD THAT ON MY NOTES THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT, WHAT'S REALLY GONNA HAPPEN THERE.
I KNOW THE WEST WALL FOR THE FIRST TWO BUILDINGS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT, BUT THAT EAST WALL THAT'S, UM, THAT'S PRETTY, UM, PRETTY WELL DLA AND FALLEN APART, BUT A LOT OF GOOD MATERIAL.
SO WE'RE AN AGREEMENT, ADMIN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
AND I AM OPEN TO THE CITY DEFINING WHAT IT IS AND TELLING ME, OR, BUT MOST LIKELY WE'LL WORK TOGETHER TO PUT IT BACK HOWEVER WE NEED TO.
SO WE AGREE THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THERE'S JUST SOME FLUIDITY TO WHAT THAT IS.
SO WE HAVE THAT, DO WE NEED THAT AS A CONDITION? I MEAN, YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT AS A OH, IT'S IN THERE.
IT'S ALREADY A CONDITION THERE, SO WE'LL, UH, WE'LL WORK ON THE DETAILS.
AND THEN, UH, CERTAINLY I THINK FROM ON ON SEVEN.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S CERTAINLY MANY THINGS IN THERE ABOUT EXISTING WINDOWS, ALL THESE THINGS.
SO I THINK THAT MORE OR LESS SITS INSIDE OF SEVEN THAT YOU'LL WORK WITH THE STAFF ON WINDOW SIZES TRYING TO REUSE THE ONES THAT THAT CAN BE REUSED AND WHAT WE'LL DO WITH THAT.
SO I THINK THAT FOR ME IS ALL ENCOMPASSED, ENCOMPASSED IN SEVEN.
CAN YOU FLIP BACK TO THE FIRST PAGE? DO WE NEED SOMETHING? I I IS IT IN THE PLAN THAT YOU'LL PRESERVE THE REMAINS OF THE BUILDING? THAT SOUND REMAINS TO ME.
UM, IS THAT ALREADY IN THE PLAN OR DO WE NEED A CONDITION TO HAVE YOU DO YOUR UTMOST REMAINS? REMAINS DOES SOUND WEIRD.
UM, THE RUIN SOUNDS BETTER, BUT SO WE ACTUALLY YEAH, RIGHT.
WE COMMITTED TO MOVING, WE ACTUALLY SHIFTED THE BUILDING, MOVED IT SO WE COULD HIGHLIGHT THE REMAINS.
SO IF, IF FOR SOME REASON THAT IS THE INTENT, IF FOR SOME REASON THE, SOME STUDY SAYS THAT THE BUILDING WILL FALL OVER BECAUSE YOU THE REMAINS, THEN I CAN'T.
BUT IT'LL BE CHANGED BECAUSE
BUT THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO PRESERVE THOSE.
AND IN MOST CASES WE'RE NAMING IT AFTER BASSAM.
SO IT'S JUST, IT TOOK A LOT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
WELL THE THING IS TOO, MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE IT'S THERE.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA CALL THOSE REMAINS OUT.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE UNTIL I STARTED WALKING AROUND AS WE GOT THE APPLICATION.
SO IT'S, TRUST ME, WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE UNTIL WE WON THE RFP I'M SURE.
AND, AND ONCE YOU GO DOWN THERE, THEN, OH, WHY DIDN'T I EVER KNOW THIS WAS HERE? BUT YOU DIDN'T, YOU DON'T KNOW IT.
IAGE,
ALL THE, THERE'S SO MUCH CREATIVITY WE COULD DO WITH IT.
IT'S JUST THE STRUCTURAL PART IS THE PART WAS THE BUILDING AROUND IT WAS THE HARD PART.
AND, AND MAYBE TO BRING YOU MIKE'S HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND A PLAQUE OR SOMETHING WITH AN EXPLANATION FOR THE, FOR SURE.
NOW THE PUBLIC WHO WILL BE COMING DOWN TO SEE IT, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT.
IF WE JUST GO ONE MORE MINUTE.
SO THEN I THINK AS WE SAID, SEVEN COVERS ALL THE STUFF WE TALKED ABOUT, THE HEAVINESS OF THE FIREPLACE, ALL THAT STUFF.
SO I THINK IN THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL OF THOSE, UH, COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY YOU AND THE APPLICANT THAT WORKING WITH YOU FEEL? THAT'S GOOD.
UH, FURTHER BUILDING SHOULD BE FOUND.
THE, THE PLAZA AND THE KIOSK, THAT'S A CITY'S SPACE, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT YOUR SPACE.
IT IT, IT WILL BE SO IT WILL REMAIN WITH THE SEA, BUT IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
SO THAT DESIGN, IF, IF YOU HAVE OPINIONS ON THAT BEFORE THEY GO TOO FAR.
BUT THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE DETAILS.
NO, NO, I, NO, I THINK IT'S FINE.
I JUST WAS, AND IT IS PART OF THE PROJECT.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON CITY PROPERTY, IT WILL BE PART OF THE PROJECT.
WELL, AND I HEARD MR. DAVIS SAID THAT YOU'LL ATCH WILL BE PROGRAMMING THAT AREA.
AND, AND ALL THESE WEEKEND THINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU'RE PLANNING, YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THE PROGRAMMING OR IS THE CITY GONNA DO THE PROGRAMMING? WE, IT'S THEIR, IT'S YOUR CITY SPACE.
I HAVE TO PAY FOR BUILDING IT.
I HAVE TO OPERATE IT, I HAVE TO RUN IT, I HAVE TO DO ALL THE PROGRAMMING WITH IT.
SO IT'S LIKE BRIDGE PARK, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE, TO ME IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT, BUT TO GET IT RIGHT SURE.
THE PROGRAM, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FACE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
I THINK WE WENT THROUGH, I THINK FOR ME, ANY OTHER, ANYBODY NEED ANYTHING WE NEED TO ADD?
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IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE ENCOMPASSED ALL THE STUFF THAT, UH, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND ALL THE THINGS THAT THE CITY HAD PUT IN AS OTHER, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT.I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE 11 CONDITIONS AS STATED.
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE REZONING OF THE, TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL WITH NO CONDITIONS.
I'LL SECOND AND THEN DO WE NEED A DISCUSSION? AND MR. DAVIS, YOU GONNA, YOU WERE GONNA COME UP TO SAY SOMETHING? I THOUGHT
OH YEAH, WE HAD ONE MORE ITEM.
WE DIDN'T, I HOPE YOU LOVE IT.
PLEASE KEEP THE RED BUILDING THE COLOR RED.
SO PROBABLY
I THINK IT WAS CLEAR WE COULD A LITTLE OFF TRACK THERE ON PARKING, BUT, UH OKAY.
IT'S DEFINITELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU NORMALLY SEE.
SO PARKING PLANS OF THIS SCALE ARE, UH, YEAH.
HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.
NOW WE, WE'VE HAD THEM BEFORE FOR SMALLER PROJECTS, UH, IN THE VICINITY, BUT MULTIPLE BUILDINGS LIKE THIS IS, UH, CERTAINLY THAT'S THE PUBLIC COMMENT CONCERN.
THAT'S WHERE THE, THAT'S WHERE THE CONCERNS CAME.
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WE HAVE ANY, UM, I JUST WANTED, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, I WANTED TO CLARIFY WHEN I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT THAT, UH, PARKING GARAGE THAT WAS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO BE PUBLIC PARKING.AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY UNDERSTOOD.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY.
AND IT, AND IT WAS RIGHT, IT WAS BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, BUT ALSO BE PUBLIC PARKING ALWAYS.
IT WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO BE PUBLIC PARKING.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
I, UH, WASN'T HERE AT THE TIME, BUT THE, UH, BUT THAT, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE IN THAT BUILDING ALSO WERE, UH, THAT WAS PART OF THEIR ACCOMMODATION OF PARKING AT THAT TIME.
AND ONE, ONE OF THE REASONS TOO, WHY THEY PUT, UM, PAID, MADE IT PAID.
I DON'T THINK HE WAS, UM, I MEAN HIS SPACE IS GUARANTEED 'CAUSE THEY'RE PAYING A MONTHLY FEE TO BE THERE WITH THEIR HOME.
BUT, UM, I THOUGHT HIS POINT, AND CERTAINLY THE POINT IN THE COMMENTS THAT WERE FILED WAS THAT, AND I THOUGHT THE STUDY HAD BEEN DONE ON A WEDNESDAY, BUT A 90 OR A HUNDRED DEGREE DAY WHEN ONE OF THEM SAID, BUT I THINK THE POINT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT WHEN YOU COME IN THERE ON FRIDAY, IT'S PACKED BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING HOME, YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING TO THE DISTRICT TO USE THE RESTAURANTS, AND YOU MAY HAVE PEOPLE JUST COMING TO WALK AROUND THE PARK AND TAKE A WALK OR GO UP THROUGH BY BEHIND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VETERANS PARK AND ALL THAT.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE THE CONCERN WAS, IS THAT WE ARE, WE ARE, OR YOU ARE, THE CITY IS CONSIDERING ONLY THE PROPERTY AS THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT ARE ACTUALLY AVAILABLE.
THEY'RE NOT SAYING ALL 200 SPACES ARE AVAILABLE, THEY'RE SAYING WHATEVER THE CAPACITY IS, MINUS THE RESTRICTED PARKING SPOTS.
AND, AND ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS ARE ABSOLUTELY LEGITIMATE.
UH, I THINK OUR TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY DEPARTMENT IS MOVING INTO A MECHANISM WHERE WE COULD, UH, MUCH LIKE THE LIBRARY GARAGE, WHERE WE CAN HAVE LIFE DATA OF, UH, THOSE, SO THAT WE CAN BE MORE INFORMED.
I GUESS MY CONCERN, MY CONCERN IS WHEN THOSE WERE BUILT, ALL OF THIS WAS CONTEMPLATED.
AND WHEN YOU BOUGHT A UNIT THERE, IF YOU KNEW AND, AND THAT ALL OF THIS WAS CONTEMPLATED, IT WASN'T LIKE THIS WAS JUST SPRUNG ON.
IN ADDITION, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF OLD DUBLIN WAS ALWAYS
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CONTEMPLATED AND THAT WAS PART OF, OF IT.THEY JUST HAPPENED TO BE THERE FIRST.
AND I GUESS I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT.
YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'LL BE A CONCERN AS WE GO FORWARD.
SO PARKING, AS LONG AS WE CAN TRY TO MAKE SURE PE YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA FILL IT UP.
AND THEN PEOPLE DON'T GO TO A RESTAURANT.
SO THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE ABSOLUTELY, CLEARLY NOT THE INTENT.
SO AS LONG AS MOBILITY IS CL I THINK THE POINT WHERE WE GOT A BIT OFF PARKING AND TRASH ARE ALWAYS THE CONCERNS,
SO I'VE, UH, WHERE I WAS, WHERE I WORKED BEFORE, IT WAS THE EXACT SAME ISSUES THAT, UH, SO AS LONG AS WE HAVE DATA THAT SUPPORTS THAT, THEN I THINK, UH, AS MOBILITY IS DONE, I THINK THEN THAT'S GOOD.
I FORGET WHAT WAS IT, DISCUSSION OR COMMUNICATION, I FORGET.
THIS IS COMPLETELY, THANK YOU.
UM, WE HAVE PUT ON THE AGENDA DISCUSSION ABOUT STAFF REPORTS.
IF IT'S TOO LATE IN THE EVENING.
UH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE GOING THROUGH, I HAVE A QUICK POWERPOINT THAT JENNY SHARED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT, UH, I LIKE THE STAFF REPORTS.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE STAFF REPORTS.
I THINK THEY'RE THOROUGH AND THEY'RE VERY EDUCATIONAL AND THEY'RE VERY, THEY, THEY PREPARE US OR PREPARE ME QUITE WELL FOR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO, BA DO WE HAVE, I MEAN, FIVE MINUTES IS WHAT YOUR 10, 5, 10 CLOSING CHANGES.
SO LET, LET, LET'S JUST GO TO, YEP.
MAYBE, UH, WHETHER WE GO THROUGH THE POWERPOINT PRESENT AND LET, LET ME TELL YOU THE GIST OF WHAT THE OVERALL DISCUSSION IS AND THEN HOW THIS TIES INTO IT.
UM, AS PART OF COUNCIL'S OBJECTIVES AND, UH, ALSO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY THAT THE CITY HAS ADOPTED.
UH, THEY IDENTIFIED THAT SOMETIMES, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THIS BOARD OR, UH, ANY SPECIFIC PROCESS, BUT SOMETIMES THE PERCEPTION OUT THERE IS THAT IN DUBLIN IS VERY HARD TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR ANYTHING.
AND A LOT OF TIMES THIS IS BIGGER PROJECTS THAN WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND SO THE QUESTION WAS, IS OUR PROCESS AS EFFICIENT AS IT COULD BE? ARE THERE THINGS THAT CAN BE MORE STREAMLINED? ARE THERE CERTAIN THINGS WHERE, UM, MAYBE THEY DON'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF REALLY NEEDING TO BE, UH, COMPLETELY REVIEWED BY THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES? ARE THERE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL? AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THAT ALREADY.
AND SO THERE'S BEEN A FEW WORK SESSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WHERE WE'VE INVITED INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS AND HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS.
THERE WERE SOME SESSIONS WHERE WE INVITED EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING DEVELOPERS, ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, AND WE EVEN HAD ONE WORK SESSION WHERE WE INVITED A FEW PEOPLE FROM A PEER COMMUNITY TO KINDA UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WORK THROUGH THEIR APPROVAL PROCESS.
THE STAFF REPORTS WAS KINDA SOMEWHAT OF AN OFFSHOOT OF THAT OVER THE BIGGER DISCUSSION.
AND, AND BY THE WAY, THAT DISCUSSION WE HAVE, UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS I WAS GONNA REMIND YOU ABOUT IS THE JOINT WORK SESSION THAT'S COMING UP WITH CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 16TH.
AND THERE WILL BE A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BROADER SUBJECT, BUT WITH THE STAFF REPORTS, UH, AND AGAIN, EACH, EACH BOARD HAS A DIFFERENT FOCUS.
SOMETIMES WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH.
WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, YOU HAD, UH, MUCH MORE, A LOT OF TIMES YOU'RE FOCUSED ON ONE BUILDING AT A TIME.
AND THEN WE HAD THE, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, WHICH IS TYPICALLY FOCUSED ON A VERY, UH, BLACK AND WHITE ISSUE THERE.
BUT THE POINT WAS, IS THE STAFF REPORT, UM, SERVING ITS PURPOSE, IS IT ORGANIZED IN A WAY THAT FOR YOU AS BOARD MEMBERS, FOR THE APPLICANT, FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT'S TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE HECK ARE THEY APPROVING THIS? WHERE OR WHY AREN'T THEY APPROVING THIS? UH, IS IT CLEAR AND, AND IT'S TUPA, IT'S THE STAFF REPORT AND IT'S ALSO THE PRESENTATION.
UM, DO WE PROVIDE TOO MUCH, TOO LITTLE, UH, IS IT, UH, WAS IT A GOOD EXPERIENCE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT GO FIRST VERSUS STAFF GO FIRST? THOSE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE.
AND THERE WAS, I THINK SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE RESPONDED TO THE SURVEY THAT WAS SENT OUT.
SO THAT PRESENTATION THAT JENNY HAD PUT TOGETHER KIND OF SUMMARIZED SOME OF THE FINDINGS THERE AS WELL.
SO MY ONE COMMENT ON THE SURVEY WAS, UM, THAT I LIKE THE FACT THAT, UM, THE REPORTS, I LIKE HOW THEY'RE FORMATTED.
I DID COMMENT, AND THIS HAPPENED TONIGHT ON THE, UM, ATCH PROJECT WHERE I ASKED YOU TO GO BACK TO A, A FRAME THAT WE HAD BEEN LOOKING AT.
AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE ARE GOING THROUGH, UH, ESPECIALLY ON, UH, COMPLICATED PROJECTS, UH,
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THE MORE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT AND TALK WHILE HAVING A REFERENCE.SO THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT, IS THAT I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ALSO REQUEST TO SEE AND HAVE IT HERE IN FRONT OF ME, UH, THAT WAY I'M NOT PRINTING OUT REPORTS, NOT, YOU KNOW, FUMBLING WITH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT, UH, RESOURCE RESOURCE AREAS LIKE MY TABLET, MY PHONE, MY ET CETERA.
SO THAT WAS ONE COMMENT I HAD MADE THAT I LIKED THAT AND THAT I LIKED THE REPORTS, BUT THAT I ALSO LIKED BEING ABLE TO, UM, REQUEST AND HOLD OR KEEP A PICTURE UP THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE DISCUSSION.
THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO SAY THOUGH ABOUT THE REPORTS TOO.
OH, TONIGHT, UH, WHEN THEY WENT FIRST, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL AND MADE IT, IT MADE MORE SENSE.
NOW I HAD SOME QUESTIONS RAISED ON THAT VIRTUAL TOUR.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE PARKING I THINK GOT KIND OF HEATED IS BECAUSE I DO THINK THOSE ROADS ARE NARROW.
AND THOSE WERE SOME OF THE COMMENTS I HAD READ IN THE LETTERS THAT GOT FILED TODAY, UM, ON THE PARKING AND THE ROAD RIVERVIEW ROAD.
SO, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL, THE WAY THEY PRESENTED EVERYTHING COMING FROM WHEN THEY WERE IN BEFORE FOR INFORMAL REVIEW.
BUT IN GENERAL, I THINK I PREFER THE STAFF GOING FIRST.
BUT IN THIS CASE, IT WAS REALLY GOOD.
I THOUGHT I AN ANTICIPATED WANTING THE APPLICANT TO GO FIRST.
THEY HAD THE BURDEN, THEY SHOULD GO FIRST.
UM, AND SEEING IT TONIGHT, IT WORKED REALLY WELL.
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SOPHISTICATED, AND SO I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE LADY WITH THE PAINT WOULD'VE DONE IF SHE WENT FIRST.
AND I ACTUALLY THINK IF YOU WARN THEM IN ADVANCE, THEY'LL ORGANIZE THEMSELVES AND IT WILL BE HELPFUL FOR THEM TO GO FIRST.
JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, WE DID MAKE THAT SWITCH WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AT THE END OF LAST YEAR OR BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, AND IT WORKED VERY WELL WITH THE APPLICANT GOING FIRST.
BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT APPEAR BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE DEVELOPERS, ATTORNEYS, ARCHITECTS, UH, EXCUSE ME.
WE WERE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOMEOWNER OR THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNER AND WHETHER THEY FELT COMFORTABLE ENOUGH.
BUT WHAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT, AND TODAY WAS A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPERIMENT WITH THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID IS GIVEN THE OPTION AND NOT, NOT SET IT IN STONE, BUT GIVE THEM THE OPTION IF THEY PREFER TO GO FIRST.
UH, LET'S GIVE THEM THAT OPTION.
AND IN A WAY IT, I WOULD THINK HELP THEIR CASE BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'RE ON THE DEFENSIVE AFTER YOU'VE ALREADY SAID WHAT, EXCUSE ME.
AND IF THEY GO FIRST, THAT'S WHY IN COURTROOMS, THE PERSON WHO HAS THE BURDEN GOES FIRST.
SO YOUR IMPRESSION IS THEM FIRST.
I, I, I, THAT'S THE REASON I WOULD LIKE THEM TO GO FIRST IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF, THEY'RE THE HOMEOWNER, RIGHT? THEY GET THE FIRST CHANCE TO, TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT.
IF YOU THE PAINT COLOR, YOU HEAR THE PAINT COLOR, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOW YOU HAVE TO DEFEND.
RIGHT? YOU, THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE TO DO, RIGHT? SO, BUT I THINK GIVING THEM THE OPTION, 'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO JUST, IT COULD BE DIFFICULT IF THEY'RE NOT FULLY PREPARED FOR THAT.
RIGHT? I'M NOT SURE I WANNA GIVE THEM THE OPTION.
I THINK I WOULD RATHER PREPARE THEM FOR WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING, GIVING THEM THE OPTION BECAUSE YEAH, I DO TOO.
WE DON'T WANT, IT'S NOT PER SE.
AND THERE'S SOME THAT PROBABLY DON'T EVEN WANT TO PURCHASE THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? PEOPLE DON'T WANNA COME HERE, SO THEY THINK IT'S VERY INTIMIDATING THAT I KNOW, I MEAN, GIVEN OPPORTUNITY, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, PEOPLE BLOSSOM TO WHAT THEY'RE FORCED TO DO.
BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SAY I WOULD PUSH THEM TO SAY BEING FIRST IS, YEAH, I THINK THERE FOR THE, THERE'S AN ADVANTAGE.
THERE'S AN ADVANTAGE FOR THE, FOR THE THOSE WHO FIRST LAY THE FOUNDATION.
AND MAKE, MAKE THE CITY DEFEND.
RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND YOU GUYS COULD COACH 'EM THAT WHEN YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY WORKING WITH THEM IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT IS SOMETIMES BENEFICIAL IF YOU WANNA PRESENT FIRST, SO, YEAH.
AND IF YOU WANNA CATCH THAT LADY, MS. ER'S EYE, NO.
ONE, ONE LAST THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT IS THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ALSO ABOUT WHETHER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE VALUABLE OR WHETHER, UM, WE DON'T PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU DO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS.
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WITH ONE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS,I MEAN, YOU'RE IN THIS EVERY DAY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CODES PROBABLY INSIDE AND OUT, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
I DON'T THINK THAT, THAT, I HAVE THE IMPRESSION IN JUST MY FEW MEETINGS THAT EVERYBODY HERE HAS THE ABILITY TO HEAR YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S HARMFUL FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE VERY HELPFUL.
UM, WE DO NEED SOME DIRECTION AND THEN WE, WE, YOU GIVE US SO MUCH IN THE REPORTS, AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE ANY OF IT AWAY, THAT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION GIVES US THE ABILITY TO CHALLENGE CONTEXT.
THE, THE, I HEARD YOU USE THE WORD CONTEXT.
WELL, THE HISTORIC CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'VE, WHAT THE BOARD, NOT NECESSARILY THESE MEMBERS, BUT WHAT THE BOARD HAS DONE BEFORE AND WHY THEY DID IT THEN, AND WHY MAYBE NOT NOW.
AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND IT, IT, BY GIVING US ALL THAT CONTEXT AND ALL THAT INFORMATION, IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO THEN QUESTION YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND WE WANT TO, SO YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'RE NOT TAKING, WE'RE NOT IN LOCKSTEP WITH YOU.
AND I HOPE NOBODY SEES US AS THAT WAY.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT HAVING OUR PROCESSES CHANGE SO THAT THERE ARE MORE ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS AND FEWER ISSUES THAT HAVE TO COME BEFORE US, THAT THAT'S HELPFUL AS WELL.
I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T, WE'RE JUST BEGINNING TO SEE THE BENEFITS OF THAT.
BUT YEAH, AND I WOULD, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE EXPERTS, RIGHT? WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE THING AND YOUR EXPERT OPINION IS X OR Y WE HAVE SEEN IT DIFFERENT WAYS BEFORE, BUT I THINK WITHOUT, WITHOUT THAT, I THINK IT WOULD REALLY, IT WOULD, IT WOULD LEAVE US A BIT ON AN ISLAND WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UH, WHICH WHAT, FROM AN EXPERT'S OPINION, YOU SEE IT IN ONE WAY, RIGHT? AND ON THE ONE OF THEM, YOU KIND OF COULD SEE IT BOTH WAYS, RIGHT? SO YOU SAID, I, I COULD SEE IT EITHER WAY.
AND THEN HERE WE'RE MAKING A, MAKING A CHOICE.
SO I THINK THAT'S ABOUT, IF YOU SEE KIND OF NEUTRAL, I, I, I DON'T ALSO DON'T THINK THAT'S BAD, HUH? BUT YOU'RE GIVING US CONTEXT.
SAY, I THINK THIS CAN WORK, THIS CAN WORK, AND YOU GUYS CAN CHOOSE HOW TO DO THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THINK ALSO YOUR, THE CONTEXT OF YOUR OPINION AS EXPRESSED, OR THE STAFF'S OPINION AS EXPRESSED IN THE REPORT CAN HELP GIVE GUIDANCE AS WELL.
I JUST THINK THAT IF IT'S SOMETHING NEW, WELL WE KIND OF HAVE A FEEL FOR IT FROM THE REPORT.
ANYTHING MORE ABOUT STAFF REPORTS? I JUST HAVE A FEW QUICK REMINDERS AND UPDATES, AND THEN WE CAN, SO, UM, IF YOU HA IF YOU'VE GOTTEN THAT SURVEY THAT WE SENT OUT AND, AND YOU HAVEN'T FILLED IT OUT, UH, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT AS WE MOVE INTO THE, UH, JOINT WORK SESSION.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE THE, UH, FRAUD TRAINING THAT WE SENT, THAT'S COMING UP.
I, I'M GUILTY OF NOT HAVING DONE THAT YET EITHER, BUT THAT'S DUE ON THE 28TH, 29TH.
JUST DO, DO TODAY THE 20 NO, THE 25TH.
IF YOU CAN'T, LET ME, LET ME KNOW.
WHAT? YEAH, SO FINISH THIS, UM, MARTY.
UH, SO OCTOBER'S MEETING, I THOUGHT WAS THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY, WHICH IS THE 23RD.
AND NOW I AM LED TO BELIEVE THAT OUR MEETING IS THE 30TH.
AND I HAVE SCHEDULED A TRIP OUT OF STATE AND THINKING IT WAS THE 23RD.
SO WHEN IS OUR NEXT MEETING? UH, I WILL HAVE TO, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT MOVED, BUT I WILL, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT BECAUSE, UM, AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS OUR, GENERALLY OUR MEETINGS ARE ON THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY, RIGHT.
AND WE WERE GONNA DO OUR TOUR ON THE 16TH.
NOW WE'RE DOING OUR JOINT SESSION ON THE 16TH, AND THAT ALL WORKS FINE.
I JUST DIDN'T RECALL AND HAD IT WRITTEN IN MY, UH, CALENDAR THAT OUR MEETING WAS THE 23RD, UH, AND THE 30TH IS ACTUALLY THE FIFTH WEDNESDAY AND THE DAY BEFORE OUR TRICK OR TREAT.
SO I DON'T, I THOUGHT THAT WAS ODD THAT WE WOULD'VE MOVED OUR MEETING TO THAT DAY.
LET, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK FOR YOU ON THAT, BECAUSE
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I'M WITH YOU.I THOUGHT IT WAS THE 23RD AS WELL, OR GOOD.
SO, WE'LL, UH, I'LL, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK AND LET, THANK YOU.
UH, IF IT IS THE 30TH, I WON'T BE ABLE TO BE HERE.
UH, AGAIN, AS A REMINDER OF THE JOINT WORK SESSION ON THE, UH, 16TH INSTEAD OF THE TOUR.
SO WE'LL MOVE THE TOUR TO SPRINGTIME SO THAT WE HAVE MORE DAYLIGHT.
UH, AT THIS POINT, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE TOUGH TO DO A TOUR WITH, UH, THE DAYS GETTING SHORTER.
AND WHAT, WHAT TIME IS THE JOINT SESSION? IS IT AT SIX? I BELIEVE? DO YOU REMEMBER JUDY? I THINK IT IS AT SIX.
WE ACTUALLY, WE GET ONLINE WHAT NOTICES HAVE GONE OUT FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING, AND THEN WE KNOW FOR SURE IT'S THE 30TH.
YOU JUST LOOKED AT THE NOTICE.
IT SAYS ON MY, IT'S WHAT IT SAID ON THE WEBSITE.
WELL, IT SAYS RIGHT HERE IN MY CALENDAR.
IT'S THE 23RD
I HAVE THE 30TH IN MY CALENDAR.
I WOULD NOT HAVE SCHEDULED THAT.
LITERALLY IF I HAD HAVE THOUGHT IT WAS THE 20 JUST USED TO THAT FOURTH WEEK.
AND, AND THAT'S SO WEIRD BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER MEETING IN NOVEMBER, LIKE TWO WEEKS LATER BECAUSE OF THANKSGIVING.
I'M GUESSING THERE PROBABLY WAS A REASON, IF THAT'S THE CASE, FOR IT TO BE, BECAUSE THE THANKS, UH, NOVEMBER'S MEETING IS GONNA BE ON THE 20TH, OR IS IT GONNA BE ON THE, LET'S SEE, SHE GO CHECK SCHEDULE.
WE NEED TO GO GET THE CALENDAR YET.
SHE'S, YEAH, IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT'S THE 30TH OF OCTOBER, AT LEAST WHAT I HAVE ON MY CALENDAR.
JUST CHECKING THE CALENDAR HERE WITH, ALL RIGHT.
WELL, WILL THE REST OF YOU BE HERE THE 30TH? UM, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUDY, JUST TO MAKE SURE I HAVE IT ON THE 30TH, BUT THAT'S MY OWN CALENDAR.
AND THEN CHECK THE THIRD NOVEMBER MEETING.
WHEN DID WE AGREE TO THE 30TH? THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
YEAH, I HAVE NOVEMBER 20TH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S WHAT I CAN, AND THEN IT'LL BE THE 18TH IN DECEMBER BECAUSE CHRISTMAS IS ON THE 25TH, WHICH IS OUR NORMAL.
WELL, SO THAT NOVEMBER 20TH IS WHEN WE EXPECT THIS, UH, FINAL DEPARTMENT PLAN FOR ATCH TO BE COMING BACK TO YOU.
DID YOU GUYS THINK THAT WAS ODD THAT IT WAS ON THE 30TH, WHICH IS THE FIFTH WEDNESDAY? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S ODD COPY.
I JUST WRITE IT DOWN ON THE SECOND.
WELL, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE ANYTHING FOR OCTOBER MEETING, SO THAT MAY RESOLVE THE ISSUE ALTOGETHER, BUT WE'LL, UH, WHEN WILL WE KNOW THAT? WHAT'S THAT? WHEN WILL WE, WHEN WILL WE KNOW THAT? I MEAN, WHEN YOU, UM, LET ME VERIFY WITH SARAH BEING OUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WERE IN THE WORKS, BUT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, PENDING APPLICATIONS, IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING.
SO I'LL CHECK TOMORROW, AT LEAST WITH RODNEY AND TAYLOR AND SEE IF THEY OKAY.
IF THEY KNOW, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
JUDY'S COMING BACK? WE CAN, I FEEL BAD, BUT I'M, JUDY IS DOUBLE CHECKING, BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S PRETTY SAFE.
UH, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW REALLY QUICK, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THE CODE AND GUIDELINES AT THEIR MEETING LAST WEEK, AND THERE WASN'T EVEN ANY DISCUSSION.
THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO COUNCIL.
SO FIRST READING IS EXPECTED ON THE 21ST OF OCTOBER, AND THE SECOND IS 4TH OF NOVEMBER.
SO SARAH SUGGESTED THAT IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED AT BEING AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ON OCTOBER 21ST, THAT, UH, THAT'S WHEN THE FIRST READING IS GONNA TAKE PLACE.
WHAT MEETING IS IT? I DON'T THINK, IT LOOKS LIKE A, I THINK WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION.
WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM LAST YEAR WHEN WE APPROVED, OR EARLY THIS YEAR WHEN WE APPROVED THE SCHEDULE.
I'LL THANK 23RD HAD BEFORE, BUT IT MAY BE CANCELED ANYWAY, SO IT MIGHT MOVE WELL, WE'LL CERTAINLY GET, WE'LL KNOW NEXT WEEK ASAP.
YEAH, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY AM SUPPOSED TO BE IN DETROIT THAT DAY.
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HOPEFULLY I'LL BE HERE.I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER THAT ANYTHING THAT'S ALL FROM STAFF.
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