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GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
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          UH, AT 
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THIS TIME I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE MEETING. 
          UH, AUGUST 7TH, 2024. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. 
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          MS. BEAL. 
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          IN. 
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          STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER FOR THIS EVENING, WE WILL TAKE EACH CASE IN TURN. 
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          CASE NUMBER FOUR, FALLBACK. 
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TIME. 
          THERE'S ONE CASE ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING. 
          THAT IS CASE 24 DASH 0 1 0 1 YOGI'S BARRING GRILL, LOCATED AT 38 80 HARD ROAD. 
          THIS IS AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, CONDITIONAL USE. 
          DOES ANYONE FROM THE COMMISSION WISH TO REMOVE THIS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. 
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          SECOND. 
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          MS. BEAL. 
          MR. ALEXANDER? YES. 
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          MS. HARBOR? YES. 
          YES. 
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          THANK YOU, MS. BEAL. 
          ALRIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ON. 
          WE ARE GOING TO PROCEED IN THE AGENDA ORDER. 
          SO OUR NEXT CASE 
          [Case #24-099INF ]
WILL BE CASE 24 
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DASH NINE NINE INF. 
          THIS IS BRIDGE PARK BLOCK H AN INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK ON AMENDMENTS TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 42 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED UNITS AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS ON TWO PARCELS. 
          THE COMBINED APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A QUARTER ACRE SITE IS ZONED BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SRN, UH, SCIOTO RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY AND MOONEY STREET. 
          MR. RUSSELL, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. 
          UH, RUSSELL HUNTER, 66 40 RIVERSIDE DRIVE. 
          DO I HAVE CONTROL OVER THE SLIDES OR DO I NEED TO ASK YOU TO ADVANCE? I CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN A LONG JOURNEY, BUT, UH, THE BLOCKS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE THE LAST OF THE ORIGINAL BRIDGE PARK BLOCKS THAT ARE TO BE DEVELOPED. 
          AND, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED, UH, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A, AN A, A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED. 
          WE WENT THROUGH THIS, OH GOSH, 2017 I THINK IT WAS. 
          UM, AND, UH, AND, AND THEN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN, AND NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS THAT I THINK, UM, I THINK WE OVERCOMPLICATED THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND SO WE WANTED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND, UH, TAKE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR, NOT JUST AT WHAT WE WERE GOOD AT ACCOMPLISHING, UM, UH, AS A, AS A DEVELOPER AND A CONTRACTOR, BUT ALSO WHAT WAS RIGHT FOR THE SITE. 
          AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT WHILE WHEN YOU SQUINT THE BUILDINGS LOOK CLOSE ENOUGH THAT WE FEEL, WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, AMENDING THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I ALSO HAD NO INTEREST IN BRINGING THAT TO YOU IN ONE FELL SWOOP, WHICH IS WHY I I REALLY WANTED TO HAVE THIS INFORMAL CONVERSATION BEFORE WE BEGIN THE WORK ON THE, UH, ON THE AMENDED PLAN. 
          SO, UM, ON THE, ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THIS PROJECT CITUS IS LAST TWO BLOCKS THERE ON THE, ON THE NORTHERN END OF BRIDGE PARK. 
          UM, AND THIS IS THAT THE SPOT IN BRIDGE PARK WHERE IT REALLY BEGINS TO TRANSITION OUT OF THAT URBAN CORE AND, AND DOWN JOHN SHIELDS TO THE EAST AND, AND THE, THE CASTO, THE PULTE COMMUNITIES, THE, THE, UM, WHERE THE SCALE REALLY CHANGES. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN, UM, IS, IS BREAKING DOWN THE SCALE OF THESE BUILDINGS A LITTLE BIT INTO A MORE TRADITIONAL, UM, TOWNHOUSE FORM THAN WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY DONE. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THE, THE BRIDGE PARK BLOCKS, UM, AS THEY EXIST TODAY. 
          UM, COMPLICATED BUT BEAUTIFUL. 
          UM, I THINK WE, WE LIKED WHAT, UM, WHAT WE DID HERE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE FORMS ARE NICE. 
          UM, THEY'RE A LITTLE NON-POROUS IN THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THROUGH THEM, RIGHT? SO IT'S THIS BIG BLOCK OF TOWN HOMES. 
          WE WANTED TO BREAK SCALE DOWN A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND, UM, WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, AND I THINK I'VE MENTIONED IN PAST MEETINGS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A DEVELOPER, WE'VE REALIZED THAT WE'RE REALLY GOOD AT MIXED USE STUFF. 
          WE'RE NOT AS GOOD AT SINGLE FAMILY STUFF. 
          AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A PARTNER THAT CAN HELP US WITH THIS. 
          WE FOUND THAT IN, IN FISHER, AND ACTUALLY JARED IS HERE. 
          AND, UH, WHAT'S BEEN WONDERFUL ABOUT THEM IS THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO BUILD TOWN HOMES REALLY WELL. 
          IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WHAT WE'RE GETTING IS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM A, UM, A STANDARD UNIT FOR THEM OR ANYBODY ELSE, BECAUSE THEY'VE BASICALLY SAID, OKAY, WE'VE GOT THIS. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE HONED HOW WE CAN BUILD THESE REALLY WELL NOW LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE IT A, MAKE IT BRIDGE PARK, UM, APPROPRIATE. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE AIMING TO DO HERE IS TRADITIONAL FORMS THAT DO A NICE, UH, JOB OF TRANSITIONING, UM, INTO THE, THE CASTO AND THE PULTE, UM, PRODUCT THAT'S FURTHER EAST DOWN JOHN SHIELDS, UM, BUT STILL FEELS ADJACENT TO BRIDGE PARK, THAT THAT TAKES THE MATERIALS THAT ARE IN THESE EXISTING BLOCKS THAT ARE IN SOME OF THE EXISTING OTHER BLOCKS IN BRIDGE PARK AND, AND CREATES THAT TRANSITION. 
          THE EXISTING PHOTOS, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GRASS FIELDS AT THIS POINT. 
          SO, UM, THERE IS, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT TYP TYPOGRAPHY, UM, ESPECIALLY AS YOU GO EAST. 
          SO BASICALLY AS YOU GO AWAY FROM THE RIVER UP, JOHN SHIELDS, EVERY ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS STEPS UP ABOUT TWO FEET. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT FLATTER AS YOU'RE IN THE NORTH SOUTH DIRECTION, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. 
          SO THE SITE PLAN, UM, THAT WE'VE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU TODAY, AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S A, IT'S A, IF YOU SQUINT, IT'S NOT ALL THAT DISSIMILAR, BUT THERE ARE SOME, THERE, THERE ARE SOME MEANINGFUL CHANGES, RIGHT? SO THE, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS THAT WE'VE BROKEN THE BLOCKS APART. 
          SO THESE ARE NOW INDIVIDUAL, SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOME STYLE UNITS. 
          WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IS THAT THEY, THEY ALL HAVE GARAGES ON THE BACK OF THE UNITS, BUT WE HAVEN'T CONNECTED THE BUILDINGS. 
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AND SO IN THAT WAY, THE, THE VEHICULAR CIRCULATION IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PREVIOUS BLOCKS. 
          WHAT IT ALSO MEANS IS THAT WHILE THERE IS THE ABILITY TO SEE INTO THE INTERIOR, WE WANNA STILL BE ABLE TO CONTROL THAT. 
          AND SO YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IN SOME OF THE PHOTOS I'LL GET TO IS THAT WE'RE USING ARCHITECTURE, BUT AT A SMALLER SCALE. 
          SO, SO LANDSCAPE FENCING TO TO, TO BLOCK THAT WITHOUT IT BEING A FULL THREE STORY BUILDING. 
          AND SO I, I, I THINK IT DOES A NICE JOB OF BALANCING, UM, OF BALANCING THE SCALE. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT IS A, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT, UM, MODIFICATION IS THE CURB CUT. 
          SO THE CURB CUT EXISTS TODAY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE BLOCKS. 
          AND THAT WAS BECAUSE WE HAD ONE BIG BUILDING. 
          AND SO EVERYBODY WENT IN AND OUT THE SAME, UH, PATH. 
          UM, WITH THESE, IF WE HAD KEPT THE EXISTING CURB CUT, IT WOULD'VE MEANT THAT FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYTHING ON LARIMER STREET, THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ANYTHING FACING LARIMER STREET BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ENOUGH ROOM FOR THIS PRODUCT TYPE TO DO THAT. 
          AND SO BY MOVING THAT CURB CUT, WE THINK IT PROBABLY MAKES MORE SENSE TO MOVE IT IN THIS DIRECTION BECAUSE OF STORM WATER RUNOFF. 
          BUT BY MOVING IT TO THE EAST, IT ALLOWS US TO PLACE THAT, THAT THREE UNIT BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE SO THAT NO MATTER WHERE YOU'RE AT, NO MATTER WHAT STREET YOU'RE AT, YOU'VE GOT FRONT DOORS, YOU'VE GOT STOOP, YOU'VE GOT, UM, ACTIVITY, BUT STILL RECOGNIZING THAT JOHN SHIELDS GREENWAY IS THE PRIMARY. 
          SO EVERYTHING FROM THE FRONT FACES, JOHN SHIELDS, DALE, AND MOONEY ARE THE SECONDARIES. 
          AND, AND LARIMER IS SORT OF TERTIARY IN TERMS OF, UM, UM, PRIORITY OF STREET. 
          SO THESE ARE THE, THE, THE UNITS THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, TRADITIONAL TOWN HOMES, RIGHT? SO, UH, TAKING THE MATERIALS THAT WERE DONE, THAT WERE DONE TO THE ORIGINAL H ONE BLOCKS AND APPLYING THEM TO A MORE TRADITIONAL FORM, UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE SIMILAR IN TERMS OF, UM, SOME OF THE JULIET BALCONIES, THE WHITE NIETZCHE HA PANELS THAT YOU SEE, THERE IS A, IS A, UM, AN ADAPTATION OF, OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAW IN THE ORIGINAL BLOCKS. 
          UH, BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE MASONRY BUILDINGS. 
          THEY'RE TRADITIONAL MASONRY TOWN HOMES. 
          AND AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY UP THE HILL, THAT WAS THAT, THAT TWO FEET, UM, STEP. 
          GREAT. 
          AND THAT YOU'LL NOTICE THE OTHER THING THAT YOU'LL SEE PEEKING OUT HERE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, SOME OF THE, UH, ORIGINAL TOWN HOMES HAD, UH, ROOFTOP, UH, BALCONIES. 
          WE HAVE THE OP THE OPTION TO DO THAT HERE. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYONE HAS TO OPT INTO IT, BUT WE STUDIED WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHERE YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE IT. 
          AND, AND, UM, WITH, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT WHILE YOU CAN SEE THE MORE FROM JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAYS, YOU GET INTO THE HEART OF BRIDGE PARK, THEY VIRTUALLY DISAPPEAR. 
          'CAUSE YOU CAN'T GET FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE BUILDING TO ACTUALLY SEE, UM, THE, THE ROOFTOP, UH, STAIR AS IT GOES UP. 
          SO THIS IS JUST A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VIEW FROM THE GREENWAY LOOKING EAST, SO YOU CAN REALLY SEE THAT, UM, THAT STEP AS IT GOES UP THE HILL. 
          AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PICTURE THERE IS WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW WE ADDRESS THE BREAK IN THE BUILDINGS, AND RATHER THAN CONNECTING THE BUILDINGS AND THE FOUNDATIONS TO EACH OTHER, SEPARATING THEM AND THEN USING, UM, USING LANDSCAPE, WHICH HAS ACTUALLY SHOWN BETTER IN THIS VIEW. 
          SO CREATING A MASONRY WALL THAT HIDES THAT, UM, THAT AUTO COURT BEHIND, BUT WITHOUT THE FULL THREE STORIES OF ARCHITECTURE BETWEEN THEM. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, YOU TOOK A, A QUICK VIEW ON LARIMER, UM, SO THAT WE COULD SEE THE BACKS OF THE BUILDINGS, THE, THE FRONTS OF THE BUILDINGS THAT FRONT LARIMER, BUT THEN ALSO THE FRONTS THAT, THAT ARE, UH, ON MOONEY STREET. 
          WHAT THE, WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING HERE IS BASICALLY MASONRY THAT GOES UP TO THOSE, UM, UH, REAR DECKS. 
          AND THEN TRANSITIONING THE, UM, MATERIAL ABOVE THAT, WRAPPING THE MASONRY PROBABLY ABOUT TWO OR THREE FEET, AND THEN TRANSITIONING THE MATERIAL AGAIN, NOT DISSIMILAR FROM, FROM WHAT IS HAPPENING DOWN THE STREET AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT, UH, THAT REALLY JUST LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK SO THAT, UM, WE ARE WELL INFORMED AS WE MOVE TO THE NEXT STEPS TO AMEND THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HUNTER. 
          MS. SINGH, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR STAFF PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSION MEMBERS INFORMAL REVIEW PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION PRIOR TO A FORMAL REVIEW. 
          SO APPLICANT IS SEEKING FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FTP AND SEEKING GUIDANCE PRIOR TO THE NEXT STEP. 
          THE CONSIDERATIONS TONIGHT, OUR GENERAL SITE LAYOUT AND ACCESS, ALONG WITH CONCEPTUAL ARCHITECTURE AND INTEGRATION WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          THERE IS NO DETERMINATION 
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REQUIRED TONIGHT, AND AS A NEXT STEP, THE APPLICANT MAY APPLY FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE FDP. 
          APPLICANT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THE SITE, BUT WE'LL QUICKLY GO THROUGH IT. 
          THE SITE HERE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. 
          IT'S APPROXIMATELY 2.2 AC ACRES SITE. 
          THE SUDDEN PART OF THE SITE HAS FRONTAGE ON THE THREE SIDES, AND THE NORTHERN PART HAS THE FRONTAGE ON ALL THE FOUR SITES. 
          THE SITE IS CENTRALLY LOCATED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHIN THE S RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS BOARDED BY JOHN SHIELDS AND DALE ONTO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST. 
          BOTH OF THESE STREETS ARE DISTRICT CONNECTED STREETS WITH HIGH VISIBILITY FRONTAGE. 
          THE SITE IS BOARDED BY MOONEY STREET AND LAMAR STREET TO THE WEST AND THE SOUTH, WHICH ARE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. 
          THE SITE RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD PROVIDES A SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY FOR WELL PLANNED AND DESIGN NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THERE IS A SPECIAL ATTENTION GIVEN TO THE LOCATION AND THE CHARACTER OF BUILDINGS ALONG WITH STREETS AND OPEN SPACES ALONG THE NORTH. 
          THE JOHN SHIELD PARKWAYS IDENTIFIED AS A GREENWAY THAT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE LINEAR SPACES AND CREATE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN CORRIDORS WITH ACCESS TO SOM CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE JOHN SHIELDS GREENWAY, WHICH IS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE, HAS BEEN DEDICATED AS A PUBLIC OPEN SPACE WITH THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL FOR BLOCK EDGE. 
          CITY OWNS THIS AND WILL MAINTAIN THE PARCEL, AND DUBLIN WOULD PROGRESS THE DESIGN IN THE FUTURE. 
          IN 2017, THE COMMISSION APPROVED THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THE ENTIRE BLOCKAGE, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, AS THE PART OF PHASE ONE, THE LAR MA STREET, ALONG WITH THE ACCESS POINTS WAS LAID OUT AND THE ON STREET PARKING WAS ESTABLISHED. 
          THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA FOR THE CURRENT SITE CONDITIONS. 
          THE VIEW ON THE LEFT IS FOR THE LAMAR STREET, WHICH HAS ESTABLISHED INFRASTRUCTURE SHOWING THE ON STREET PARKING AND ACCESS TO BLOCK H TWO AND H THREE. 
          HERE ARE SOME OF THE PHOTOS SHOWING PHASE H ONE, THE COMMISSION STRONGLY SUPPORTED THE DETAILS AND THE ARCHITECTURAL VARIATIONS, WHICH CREATED A UNIQUE AND A VERY DIVERSE FACADE WITHIN THE BRISK DISTRICT. 
          AS APPLICANT MENTIONED EARLIER, THE VISION FOR THE PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE IS NOW CHANGED, AND NOW APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FEW CHANGES. 
          ONE OF THE CHANGES IS, AS THEY MENTIONED, THE TOWN HOMES. 
          AND THE SECOND CHANGE IS THE RELOCATION OF THE ACCESS POINTS AS THE PART OF THE PROPOSAL INSTEAD OF THE PREVIOUS PHASE. 
          NOW, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, WHICH CAN BE SEEN HERE INSTEAD OF THE C OR THE U FORM THAT WAS PROPOSED OR APPROVED EARLIER. 
          SORRY. 
          NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE THE RENDERINGS, WHICH ARE GOING TO SHOW DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS AT THE SAME TIME. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW, UM, THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PHASE. 
          THIS IS THE FACADE THAT FACES THE MOONEY STREET WITH SCREEN WALLS. 
          THE SCREEN WALLS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMENDATIONS SOME INTERVENTIONS TO CREATE A MORE PEDESTAL FRIENDLY STREET SCAPE. 
          THESE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS FROM LAMAR STREET. 
          AS A NEXT STEP, STAFF WILL RECOMMEND CREATING SOME CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO ENHANCE THE DESIGN OF THE SIDE ELEVATION, AS WELL AS THE REAR ELEVATION, WHICH HAS A HIGH VISIBILITY FROM LAMAR STREET. 
          WITH THIS, WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS, DISCUSSIONS FOR THE BOARD DENIED. 
          DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE PROPOSED LAYOUT AND THE ACCESS POINT? DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE PROPOSED STREETSCAPE? AND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MS. LOOKING FOR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FROM THE COMMISSION TO EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? MR. WE, UM, MR. HUNTER? SO, UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT PARKING APPEARS THAT THE, UM, EACH UNIT HAS A TWO CAR GARAGE AND THERE ISN'T SPACE. 
          IS THERE SPACE BEHIND OR IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE DOOR FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING, OR IS IT PRETTY MUCH YOU GET THE TWO SPACES IN THE GARAGE. 
          GARAGE AND THAT'S IT? SO, SO IT IS CORRECT. 
          IT'S A TWO CAR GARAGE. 
          THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE BEHIND THEM FOR, UM, FOR A CAR AND THEN ONE LANE, ONE DIRECTION OF TRAVEL EFFECTIVELY. 
          SO, YEAH, IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THE DRAWING AND NOT HAVING A REAL SCALE ON IT. 
          SO, SO THE ATTENTION IS THAT YOU COULD PARK A CAR BASICALLY IN YOUR DRIVEWAY AND PEOPLE CAN STILL NAVIGATE THROUGH THE THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, YOU COULDN'T PARK A CAR INTO TWO WAY OF TRAVEL, BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE PARKS THEIR CAR, RUNS INTO THE HOUSE, AND SUDDENLY YOU, YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          P PIGGYBACK QUESTION, MR. HUNTER. 
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ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC THAT'S LARGE ENOUGH FOR A PASSENGER VEHICLE OR AN EMERGENCY APPARATUS. 
          WE HAVE NOT HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REGARDING IT YET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DON'T, DON'T LEAVE . 
          SO, SO THAT, WOULD THAT, WOULD YOU THEN SAY THAT THAT PARKING BEHIND THE, OR IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE DOOR IS CONSIDERED VISITOR PARKING? IT COULD BE, BUT THERE IS, THERE'S PARKING ALL AROUND THE BLOCKS AS WELL, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S SOME PARKING. 
          I JUST WONDERED IF THAT WAS YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK, I HAVE A COUPLE, A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THE, UM, THE ARCHITECTURE SPECIFICALLY, I GUESS, AND WHEN YOU DID YOUR VISION FOR THIS, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE CHANGE CREATED A LOT OF, UM, I GUESS WE'LL CALL 'EM FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM, KIND OF DEAD OF DEAD END, UH, UM, STREETS. 
          DID YOU, DID YOU EXPLORE OTHER IDEAS BE, BESIDES THE SOLUTION WITH THE WALL ACROSS THERE, IS THERE OTHER OPTIONS FOR TREATING THAT? BECAUSE I MEAN, IT, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM HERE AS THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST NOTICEABLE CHANGE. 
          I JUST WAS CURIOUS IF YOU GUYS HAD EXPLORED OTHER IDEAS FOR HOW TO TREAT THOSE CORRIDORS. 
          YES AND NO. 
          UM, THE, THE OBVIOUS SOLUTION, THE CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL SOLUTION, RIGHT, WHERE WE CONNECTED ALL OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT QUITE FRANKLY GOT US IN TROUBLE WITH THE H ONE BUILDING WAS THAT CONNECTION. 
          BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SO MUCH GRADE CHANGE HAPPENING AND CONNECTING ALL OF THOSE FOUNDATIONS MEANT THAT THEY GOT REALLY COMPLICATED AND REALLY EXPENSIVE. 
          AND SO THAT IS, AND, AND SO QUITE LIKE, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOKED AT WHAT SOME OF THOSE UNITS SOLD FOR, EVEN BACK IN 2017, THEY WERE, THEY WERE EXPENSIVE. 
          UM, THE MARKET IS NOT IN TODAY'S DOLLARS ISN'T SUPPORTING THAT. 
          AND SO WE WERE LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION WHERE WE COULD, WE COULD DESIGN SOMETHING THAT STILL FELT AS GOOD, BUT DE COMPLICATED IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          NOW, IN TERMS OF HOW WE BRING THE TWO BUILDINGS TOGETHER, I, I THINK THAT WE ARE OPEN, UM, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT SLAMMING THE FOUNDATIONS BACK TOGETHER AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO FEEDBACK. 
          IT'S HONESTLY, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          I THOUGHT THAT THE, THE MASONRY WALL WAS A NICE WAY TO DO IT. 
          NOT TO SAY THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE REALLY DUG INTO THE DESIGN OF AN, I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS ALL STILL SKETCHUP AT THIS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S STILL THE CRAYONS, RIGHT? THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR DESIGN. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THE DESIGN. 
          UM, THE, THE, UH, MATERIALS YOU USE AND THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, UM, I THINK IT WAS A GREAT, UM, ANALYSIS, UH, HOW YOU SAID, TALKED ABOUT TRANSITIONING IT TO TALLER AND, AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. 
          UM, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS PRETTY HEAVY AND PRETTY DARK, THE COLOR SCHEME, I, I ASSUME THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT, AND, OR DID YOU HAVE SPECIFIC IDEAS? AND I GUESS, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT, HOW, HOW YOU CHOSE THE ARTICULATION MATERIALS COLOR SCHEME A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THOSE SKETCHUP RENDERS, THERE ARE BASICALLY PULLING THE BRICK, PULLING ALL OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE ON THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS, UM, AS A WAY TO TRY TO MAKE IT A COUSIN, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, A, A A, A BROTHER, A SIBLING OF THE EXISTING STUFF, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T CHOOSE OTHER MATERIALS IF THEY, IF IT FEELS TOO DARK, UM, WE COULD LOOK ELSEWHERE IN BRIDGE PARK AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          THIS COULD BE, THIS COULD BE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          AND IF, AND IF EVERYONE HERE SORT OF AGREED THAT MAYBE WHAT IT WANTS TO BE, THEN WE CAN ABSOLUTELY GO DOWN THAT PATH. 
          THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER. 
          I JUST HAD A MINOR QUESTION ABOUT THE GRADING AND THE PURPOSE OF THOSE WALLS. 
          THE WAY THE GRADE, UH, FALLS IN FRONT OF THE LOT. 
          IS THE GRADE GOING TO FALL THE SAME WAY AT THE PARKING, OR ARE YOU USING THOSE WALLS AS RETAINING WALLS TO CHA CHANGE THE GRADE FROM THE OUTSIDE TO THE INSIDE? I'M LOOKING AT MY CIVIL ENGINEER . 
          I, YEAH, I, SO WE'VE STUDIED THIS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FULL GRADING PLAN. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A RATIONALE FOR THOSE WALLS. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          THAT'S, OH, I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT THEY SHOULD, WHAT YOU SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO. 
          THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, LIKE THAT WALL ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, THE WALLS THAT ARE IN BETWEEN THAT ARE ACTUALLY CREATING THIS AS A UNIFIED, THEY ARE SIMPLY TO HIDE THE, THE PARKING PINE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, MR. GARVIN? UH, I'LL SAY, INCIDENTALLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE I DISAGREE ON THE SCREENING WITH THE, UH, WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          I, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE AS A WAY TO SHIELD THE PARKING. 
          UM, THERE WERE PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT GREEN SPACE AND LIGHTING, AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY ON ONE OF THE SLIDES, IF WE CAN FIND THE, UH, ANGLE FROM JODEN SHIELDS, 
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THE GREENWAY, I THINK IT'S THE FIFTH OR SIXTH SLIDE. 
          AND WHILE THE, YOU'RE BRINGING THAT UP, MS, IF YOU COULD PLEASE ADDRESS THE GREENWAY, JUST REEMPHASIZE, I KNOW YOU COVERED IT IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT THE, UM, THE CODE AND THE EXPECTATION FOR THE JOHN SHIELDS GREENWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE EXPECTATIONS FROM THE JOHN SHIELDS GREENWAY IS IT IS GOING TO CONNECT AND PROVIDE INTERCONNECTED GREEN SPACES ALONG THE ENVISIONED GREEN CORRIDOR WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          THE DESIGNATED GREENWAY, WHICH IS ALONG THE NORTHERN SIDE, IS GOING TO PROVIDE A CONNECTION FOR THE PEDESTRIAN VEHICULAR TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, MR. GARBIN, IS THIS THE IMAGE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? IT IS. 
          THANKS. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          SO, UM, I GUESS I WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE BASED ON SOME OF THE OTHER PHOTOS THAT WOULD BE, IS, IS THIS WHITE AREA, WOULD THAT BE GRASS? YES. 
          OR IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND THEN WHAT IS THAT SETBACK? IS THAT APPROXIMATELY 50 FEET? SHOULD I SEE IT'S AN EXISTING SETBACK? 50 SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M LOOKING AT JEN. 
          JENNY. 
          YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT, I THINK IS VALID REGARDING THE GREEN SPACE AND SOME OF THE CHANGES, UH, THAT OCCURRED. 
          AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS BLOCK WAS ALWAYS UNFINISHED, BUT I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION. 
          SOME PEOPLE WERE, YOU KNOW, WALKING THEIR PETS OR USING THAT AS A WALKWAY. 
          I THINK THAT THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO, YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZING THAT GREEN STRIP WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS. 
          I AGREE WITH THE LIGHTING CONCERNS. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT IS, OH, WHAT IS THE MATERIAL ON THE BACK? SO IT WOULD TRANSITION FROM THE BRICK, UH, INTO ANOTHER MATERIAL. 
          OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T BE BRICK AND PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE THAT COST. 
          BUT WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ARE POTENTIAL POSSIBILITIES THERE? I MEAN, I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S A, A SIGHTING TO BE DETERMINED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN A HIGH QUALITY MATERIAL. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AS WELL. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MARVIN. 
          MR. DESLER, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT REAL QUICK. 
          ARE, UH, HELP ME OUT HERE. 
          ARE GATES PERMITTED, LIKE IF THEY WANTED THIS TO BE WHERE THEY COULD GATE IT TO WORK TO PREVENT PUBLIC, UH, TRYING TO PARK IN THAT AREA, BLOCKING SPACE? I'M NOT SURE THE CODE REALLY ADDRESSES THAT. 
          I MEAN, THE NATURE OF BRIDGE STREET IS TO BE WALKABLE AND OPEN AND HAVE THOSE SPACES BE PERMEABLE. 
          SO AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT IF IT CAME FORWARD. 
          I'M NOT REALLY SURE. 
          SO THAT GOES IN MY QUESTION. 
          ARE YOU THINKING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE PUBLIC PARKING FOR NON-RESIDENTS WITHIN THE INTERNAL AREA? HONESTLY, NO. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY HOW THEY WORK TODAY. 
          UM, THERE'S PLENTY OF ON STREET PARKING. 
          SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF YOU LIVE THERE, YOU USE THE INTERNAL CORE, OTHERWISE YOU'RE PARKING ON THE STREET. 
          HAVE THERE WITH THE, THE BLOCK H ONE, AND THIS MAY BE FOR BOTH STAFF OR, UH, FOR YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THERE BEING PROBLEMS WITH NON-RESIDENTS PARKING IN THOSE SPACES? I, I, I, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          NOTHING. 
          AND HE LIVES THERE, . 
          I'M NOT SAYING THERE WOULD BE, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST AN INTERESTING CONCEPT. 
          BUT YOU WANT, IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE IT MORE OF A GATED, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WALKABLE. 
          YOU COULD, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE, I THINK THAT THAT DOES PRESENT AN OPTION. 
          UH, QUESTION ON THE, SO I THINK PART OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THAT H BLOCK IS THE VARYING HEIGHT OF THE TOWN HOMES OR WHATEVER'S THERE. 
          HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT VARYING THE HEIGHT ON THESE TOWN HOMES INSTEAD OF THE, ON THE, THE PARAPETS? RIGHT. 
          WELL, THE NEW, THE PROPOSAL. 
          I, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER, ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING IS I THINK FROM THE BALCONY PERSPECTIVE, UM, RIGHT NOW THEY WOULD BE, ARE YOU SAYING IT'S, IT'S OPTIONALITY OF THEY'RE EITHER ALL GONNA HAVE IT OR NOT GONNA HAVE IT? OR IS IT GONNA BE THE OWNER THAT GETS TO DECIDE WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE FOCUS ON THAT? I THINK THE WAY I WAS ORIGINALLY DESCRIBED WAS IT WAS A, IT WAS AN OWNER OPTION. 
          UM, SO IT, WE COULD END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE SOME HAVE AND SOME DON'T, WHICH IS WHY I PUT THEM ON THE DRAWINGS 'CAUSE I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE BUILDING. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S DOWNTOWN ON RICH. 
          I THINK IT'S RICH IN FRONT. 
          THERE'S LIKE THREE STORY TOWNHOME WITH CLOSE TO BICENTENNIAL WHERE THEY'RE THE BALCONIES. 
          I THINK THEY'RE VARYING DEGREES OF, LIKE, 
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THERE'S SOME THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE OPEN THAN OTHERS. 
          AND IT LOOKS, FROM A DIFFERENTIAL PERSPECTIVE, THE LOOK OF THEM ARE DIFFERENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. 
          I'M NOT SAYING TO TO, BUT I THINK IT PRESENTS SOMETHING WHERE IT COULD BE YOU'RE DIFFERENTIATING HEIGHT AND BALCONY WHERE SOME MAYBE HAVE THE BALCONY AND SOME DON'T AND THEY'RE, SO YOU'RE NOT FORCED. 
          I, I THINK IT WOULD BE A LITTLE WEIRD FOR THE OWNER TO SAY, OH, I WANT ONE. 
          SO YOU HAVE TWO IN A ROW THAT HAVE A BALCONY AND ONE DOESN'T. 
          UM, IT WOULD LOOK KIND OF OBSCURE, I THINK, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S ALL THE SAME HEIGHT, IF THAT'S WHAT ULTIMATELY END UP GOING WITH, WHERE STAIRS UP ON ONE AND NOT ON THE OTHER. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. 
          THANKS MS. HARPER. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          IF, UM, CONCERNING PARCELS BEING DROPPED OFF, THEY'RE GOING TO ASSUME THE FRONT DOOR, NOT WHERE THE GARAGES ARE, THOSE THINGS. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A REGULAR THING, SO THERE'S NOT BE GETTING BLOCKED OFF AND SO FORTH. 
          SO I'M HEARING YES ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, I GUESS I WAS ALSO, UM, IS THERE ROOM FOR TWO QUESTIONS KIND OF THE SAME WAY, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WALL, IS THERE ROOM THAT, UM, SOMETHING COULD GO IN FRONT OF IT, EITHER BENCHES OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT THAT WOULD GIVE A PURPOSE TO THE WALL? IS THAT OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SOMETHING, A THOUGHT ON THAT AS WELL TOO. 
          IT'S, IT'S KIND OF FOUND SPACE IN A WAY FROM, FROM THE PREVIOUS PLANS WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT MORE BREATHING ROOM ON THOSE CORNERS, UM, THAN WE DID PREVIOUSLY. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S A WORLD IN WHICH THOSE COULD BECOME LITTLE POCKET PARKS. 
          UH, AND, AND WE COULD REALLY THINK ABOUT THEM. 
          THEY'VE NOT BEEN DESIGNED YET. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, THINKING ON THAT END TOO, IN FRONT OF EACH OF THE TOWN HOMES, UH, THERE'S A DOOR AND THEN THERE'S A SPACE. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, YOU WOULD LANDSCAPE THAT SPACE. 
          WOULD, UM, HA HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, MAKING THAT THE OWNER SPACE AND ALMOST PUTTING LIKE A, A, A FENCE AROUND THAT OR SOMETHING THAT MAYBE EVEN LIKE A LITTLE SITTING AREA OUT FRONT TOO, IS MY QUESTION IS NOT THE IDEA SO MUCH AS, IS THERE SPACE FOR THAT, ALMOST LIKE A, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN CHICAGO, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN, YOU KNOW, THAT DOWNTOWN KIND OF LOOK, YOU'RE STILL, PEOPLE ARE WALKING BY. 
          UM, IS THERE ROOM FOR THAT THOUGHT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE EFFECTIVELY LIKE A PATIO ON GRADE IN THE, IN THE FRONT, IT COULD BE THEIR OWN LANDSCAPING. 
          THE, THE, THE PERSON THAT IS LIVING THERE, THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. 
          IS THAT AN OPTION TO THAT, TO BRING IT TO, TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE? IT'S, IT'S AN INTERESTING THOUGHT. 
          I MEAN, TYPICALLY WITH THESE COMMUNITIES, YOU HAVE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT RIGHT. 
          THAT CONTROLS THESE THINGS AND YOU'RE AS, AS NEAT AS THAT SOUNDS, THERE MIGHT BE 40 OTHER HOMEOWNERS THAT DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU DID. 
          AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS THAT. 
          BUT THERE, THERE MIGHT BE CLEVER WAYS IN WHICH YOU, YOU COULD, YOU COULD DESIGN THE PORCH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW VIABLE IT WOULD BE. 
          THERE'S SPACE, THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE, IF THAT'S THE QUESTION. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THERE ARE SOME PORCHES THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE ARE SOME PORCHES, RIGHT? THERE ARE SOME PORCHES, BUT WHERE THEY COULD DO, YEAH, NOT ALL OF THEM HAD THAT. 
          I'M ALMOST LOOKING AT ALL OF THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, AND THEN RECEPTACLES, UM, WHERE, WHERE DO YOU PUT YOUR TRASH? IS IT IN YOUR OWN GARAGE OR HOW IS, HOW DOES IT H BLOCK? IT'S YOU, IT'S IN YOUR GARAGE, RIGHT? GARAGE, YEAH. 
          OUTSIDE YOUR DOOR. 
          SO OUTSIDE YOUR GARAGE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I'LL, I'LL ASK YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          YEAH, SO IT'S RIGHT OUT. 
          IT IS RIGHT OUTSIDE THE GARAGE DOOR. 
          AND SO ON TRASH DAY, THEY JUST OPEN THE GARAGE DOOR, PUT IT OUTSIDE, AND IT GETS COLLECTED AND THEN A TRUCK COMES DOWN IN THE MIDDLE TO OKAY. 
          TO PICK THAT UP. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          MR. WE, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO PARKING  A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CIRCULATION. 
          SO I FINALLY GOT MY SCALE OUT. 
          SO THE DIMENSION ON THE, THE DEAD ENDS IS MR. CHINOOK REFERRED TO THEM AS THE DIMENSION FROM GARAGE DOOR TO THE CURB IS LIKE 18 TO 20 FEET, WHICH GIVES YOU VERY LITTLE ROOM TO BACK A CAR OUT OF THE GARAGE. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE TWO CARS IN THE GARAGE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO MANEUVER AROUND THAT CAR. 
          SO I, I'M JUST, I'M GONNA CHALLENGE YOU A LITTLE BIT ON WHETHER THAT ACTUALLY WORKS. 
          SO HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? OH, AND, AND I WOULD PIGGYBACK ON THAT, BY MY COUNT, IT APPEARS THAT THERE ARE 13 OF THE PROPERTIES THAT, UH, 12 TO 13 BECAUSE OF THE, THE DEAD END. 
          I'M COUNTING THE ONE THAT IS, UH, AT THE CORNER, THE NORTHWEST CORNER. 
          I AM, UH, UPPER LEFT OF THE SCREEN. 
          I HAVE THAT AS 11 AND 12. 
          AND THEN THAT CORNER ONE BECAUSE OF THE EXTENSION IN THE LANDSCAPING THERE, IN THAT LITTLE THUMB THAT COMES OUT, I COUNTED THAT AS NUMBER 13. 
          BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO, WOULD IT ACTUALLY WORK 
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TO HAVE A CAR BEHIND YOUR, YOUR EXCURSION YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OUT OF YOUR GARAGE? ARE YOU, WHEN YOU'RE MEASURING, WHEN YOU'RE, UM, SCALING THAT, ARE YOU SCALING FROM THE BACK OF THE PORCH? BECAUSE REMEMBER, THERE'S NO, NO FROM THE GR FROM THE, FROM THE GARAGE BASE OF THE GARAGE. 
          THAT'S, SO, WHEN, WHEN I DREW THIS, I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING THAT TIGHT. 
          I REMEMBER IT BEING MORE LIKE, LIKE 26 FEET. 
          SO I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A 16 TO 18 FOOT CAR, JUST ENOUGH FOR ANOTHER CAR TO GO PAST. 
          BUT WE HAVEN'T ENGINEERED THIS YET. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS CLEAR, IS WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF US TO DO. 
          DO WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT IN THEORY, WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN NOD YOUR HEAD AT AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND DO THE WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS WORK. 
          'CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE PUT SOMETHING ON PAPER THAT PEOPLE CAN'T DRIVE THEIR CARS THROUGH, NO ONE'S GONNA BUY IT. 
          SO LIKE, BUT ARCHITECTURALLY THE CHANGES IN THE SITE PLAN, LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT STUFF. 
          BUT I ACKNOWLEDGE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. 
          THAT'S MY OBSERVATION. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S A, IT'S A, NOT A SCALE DRAWING, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE STREET, PARKING ON THE STREET, MEASURING THAT AND GOING, HMM, THAT'S GONNA BE A TOUGH SPACE TO GET OUT OF. 
          YEAH. 
          FINALLY HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION. 
          DID WE INVENT A NEW UNIT HERE? SO WE HAD 64 UNITS IN 2017. 
          BY MY COUNT, WE BUILT 23 AND WE HAVE 42 UNITS HERE. 
          ARE WE CREATING AN EXTRA UNIT WITH THIS PARTICULAR PLAN? I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, FOR THE AUDIENCE, SO MR. HUNTER ALLUDED EARLIER TO, UH, AN ANALOGY THAT WE USE QUITE A BIT HERE. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF AT CRAYONS ON PAPER. 
          THESE ARE IDEAS. 
          WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY GETTING DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF LANDSCAPING, WINDOW PLACEMENT, BALCONY MEASUREMENTS, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          WE ARE AT THE IDEA PHASE. 
          THE CRAYONS ON PAPER LATER WOULD COME WHAT I LIKE TO REFER TO AS THE DUPE BLOW BLOCK. 
          HEY, WE'RE LOOKING AT MASSING, WE'RE LOOKING AT SCALE, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW THESE LAYOUT ON THE LOTS. 
          AND THEN LATER WE GO LEGO, WE GO THE INDIVIDUAL LITTLE PLACEMENT, HOW THE COLUMNS LOOK, HOW THE WINDOWS LOOK, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          THOSE LEGO PHASES KIND OF RELY ON THE DUPLO. 
          IF YOU BUILD SOMETHING, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT DUPLO BLOCKS AND WE'RE SAYING, HEY, THIS BUILDING IS GONNA HAVE FOUR UNITS IN IT. 
          WELL, FOUR UNITS CAN'T BE 20 FOOT WIDE TOTAL. 
          AND SO OF COURSE THE LEGO SOMETIMES RELIES ON THE DUPLO STRUCTURE, BUT LIKE MR. MR. HUNTER REFERRED TO RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT CRAYONS ON PAPER. 
          SO WITH THAT, UNLESS I HAVE ADDITIONAL, UM, MR. BOGGS, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO, I I WAS JUST GOING TO, AS A MATTER OF CLARIFICATION, NOTE THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, THIS ISN'T INFORMAL, SO THE CRAYONS ON PAPER, BUT THEY COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LEGOS NEXT TIME AS THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE THEIR DUPLOS STAND APPROVED. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BOGGS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          , YES, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A LONG NIGHT . 
          SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          BEFORE WE MOVE ON, WE DID RECEIVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING FOR THIS PARTICULAR APP. 
          AND WERE THERE THREE, I THINK THREE THAT WERE, WERE PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION IN ADVANCE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, WE WILL INVITE AUDIENCE FORWARD. 
          SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE OPEN, OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE AT THIS TIME, WE WILL ENTERTAIN, UH, THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR INFORMAL REVIEW APPLICATION. 
          IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          IF YOU WERE NOT SWORN IN BEFORE, I CAN SWEAR YOU IN REALLY QUICKLY. 
          BUT IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD, THE MICRO MONO IS CURRENTLY ON, AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. 
          ALRIGHT, WITH THAT I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          MS. ROUSH, MS. SING, DID WE RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WHILE WE WERE DISCUSSING? ALL THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW. 
          THIS IS A NON, UM, VI VOTING ITEM. 
          WITH THAT, I THINK MR. CHINO, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? THANK YOU. 
          I, YEAH, I THINK IT WAS A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION. 
          WE KIND OF HIT A LOT OF, OF THE POINTS, BUT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT THE LIST OF QUESTIONS GENERALLY, I, I, I OVERALL SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHANGE, I THINK IT MAKES, IT MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF THE, UH, THE LAYOUT AND ACCESS THERE. 
          THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT TO, AS WE ALL POINTED OUT, A LOT TO WORK THROUGH, UM, ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN. 
          UM, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER WHAT, WHEN THAT 
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SITE PLAN OPENS UP A LOT OF VIEWS TO THE, WE'LL CALL IT THE INTERIOR, THE REAR ELEVATIONS OF ALL THESE BUILDINGS THAT, UM, THOSE, THOSE, THAT ARCHITECTURE DOESN'T GET FORGOTTEN. 
          UM, I THINK WE COMMENTED EARLIER ABOUT SOME OF THE MATERIALS WE'RE, WE'RE OPENING THAT UP A LOT HERE. 
          SO IN MY OPINION, THAT ARCHITECTURE SHOULD LOOK ALMOST AS STRONG AS IT DOES. 
          THE FRONT ELEVATION SHOULD, OR THE REAR ELEVATION SHOULD BE AS, AS AS POWERFUL AS THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, AS THE, UH, REAR ELEVATIONS IN THIS CASE. 
          UH, AND I THINK, AGAIN, WE TALKED VARYING HEIGHTS. 
          WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE BALCONIES AND SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, I THINK WE CAN KIND OF COME BACK AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY, A LITTLE MORE ARTICULATION, HEIGHT, VARIATION. 
          I THINK THE, UH, THE ARCHITECT, THE ARCHITECTURE WILL BE, WILL BE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE WANT. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, I BROUGHT UP THE WALLS EARLIER, THE DEAD END CORRIDORS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          UH, WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE CREATIVITY, MAYBE MORE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT, UNDERSTANDING THE GRADING, UM, ISSUES. 
          BUT, BUT AGAIN, O OVERALL, UH, GENERAL, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE DIRECTION. 
          I THINK IT, IT MAKES SENSE. 
          I ACTUALLY LIKE THE, THE ARCHITECTURE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT ARCHITECTURALLY, BUT WE JUST NEED TO WORK THROUGH, UH, QUITE A FEW DETAILS TO, UH, TO GET US COMFORTABLE WITH IT. 
          AND I'LL ADD TOO, I THINK THERE'S A PRETTY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY ALONG, OF COURSE ALONG JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY WITH THE VISIBILITY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S THE BOOK AND A BRIDGE PARK, SO MAYBE WE CONSIDER SOMETHING SPECIAL, SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE AS THOSE FACE JOHN SHIELDS AND EVEN THE SPACE BETWEEN THE COURT, THE COURT COURTYARD YOU'RE CREATING BETWEEN BLOCK H AND THE NEW AND THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT FEELS LIKE SOMETHING SPECIAL COULD HAPPEN IN THERE AS WELL. 
          WITH ALL THAT, WITH THAT NICE GREEN SPACE AND THAT NICE CONNECTION. 
          SO I, I WOULD THINK ABOUT THAT, UM, AS WELL WHEN YOU COME BACK, BUT OVERALL SUPPORTIVE OF IT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. 
          MS. HARDER, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE. 
          UH, APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND UM, JUST A, A FEW LITTLE IDEAS THAT, UH, WE MENTIONED. 
          FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE THE GARAGES IN THE BACK AND I HOPE THEY CAN, THEY CAN FIT. 
          THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          AND THEN WITH THE BALCONIES ON TOP, I THINK THAT'S VERY NICE. 
          UM, AND IN THE FRONT, I THINK IF IT'S, SINCE YOU'VE CHANGED THE WHOLE IDEA OF IT, UH, BEING VERY INDIVIDUALIZED, THEN BECAUSE OF THAT THEY ALL SHOULD KIND OF HAVE THAT FEEL. 
          AND ONE WAY THAT WAS JUST SORT OF HITTING ME WAS, WAS THOSE FRONT LITTLE COURTYARDS. 
          AND I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW MAY HAVE IT, BUT YOU MIGHT START THEM OUT WITH A LANDSCAPING PIECE, BUT THEN, UH, EACH PERSON WILL TAKE AND PUT IN THEIR OWN STYLE, I WOULD HOPE. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE WALKING PAST, YOU SEE A VARIETY OF INTERESTS AND THINGS OF THAT'S, THAT'S THAT WAY THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE STREET AND SO FORTH. 
          AND, UM, AND ALSO, UH, TREES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT THAT, UM, THAT HEAVY LANDSCAPING, UM, WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE THERE TOO. 
          UM, THE ARCHITECTURE AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, I, I LIKE IT. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT, THAT IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          UM, I THINK, UH, ALSO IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT MAYBE, UH, LOOKING AT THE COLOR SCHEME A BIT, JUST SEEING IF WE'RE ON TARGET WITH THAT SINCE THAT WILL BE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, COMING UP IN THAT, THAT END TOO, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE ROOFTOPS, IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO BE A ROOFTOP PERSON, THEN IS THERE, UH, SOLAR OPPORTUNITIES AND HELPING A FAMILY THROUGH THAT AND SEEING IF THERE'S SOME, UM, OPPORTUNITIES THAT WOULD HELP HELP WITH THAT AS WELL TOO. 
          UM, I HAD A FEW OTHER LITTLE THINGS HERE. 
          UM, ROOFTOP ACCESS AND YES. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S, UH, WITH THE WALL, I THINK I'LL FINISH OFF WITH THAT IS, UM, BRINGING THAT OUT AND FINDING SOMETHING KIND OF UNIQUE AND SPECIAL IF IT'S ART OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD KIND OF, UM, BE UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT IN THAT WAY AS WELL TOO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. WE THANK YOU. 
          UM, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD MY FIRST COMMENT, RIGHT? BUT I MEAN, I THINK THE LAYOUT IS FINE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE GOT, FROM AN URBAN DESIGN STANDPOINT, FITTING INTO BRIDGE PARK, YOU KNOW, HOUSES FRONTING OUT ONTO STREETS, OUT ONTO GREENWAYS, PARKING, TUCKED BEHIND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. 
          I THINK YOU'VE GOT SOME FUNCTIONAL ISSUES YOU'VE GOTTA WORK THROUGH, WHICH COULD PERHAPS CHANGE THAT FORM. 
          SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HOW YOU RESOLVE THAT ISSUE. 
          TWO THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM BEFORE AND THE PREVIOUS PROJECT THAT'S BEEN BUILT IS THE CORNERS THAT PREVIOUS TOWNHOUSE PROJECT IS, TO ME, THE BEAUTY OF IT IS HOW THE CORNERS WERE RESOLVED. 
          AND I JUST, I REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS DESIGN, WHEN IT WAS BUILT, IT JUST FEELS REALLY GOOD. 
          IT FEELS LIKE IT'S REALLY EMBRACING ITS URBAN ENVIRONMENT AND THE, THE LOOSENESS, THE HOLES, THE PERUS, THE, THE PERMEABILITY OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW. 
          YOU KIND OF ERODES AWAY AT CREATING STRONG CORNERS. 
          AND I SAY THAT ALSO SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS SITE, BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THIS AS BEING A TRANSITIONAL SITE AND THINKING OF GOING TO THE EAST AND GOING UP JOHN SHIELDS AND I, I THINK OF IT MAYBE THE OPPOSITE, THAT THIS IS THE GATEWAY 
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SITE COMING INTO BRIDGE PARK. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE CORNERS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT AND THE JOHN SHIELDS FRONTAGE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          IT'S AN IMPORTANT EDGE, UH, TO THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND SO I THINK THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF THAT EDGE, UM, NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING SPECIAL. 
          AND I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE RIGHT NOW IS, IS KIND OF BLAND. 
          UM, I THINK THE, THE PHASE ONE, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT, THE ONE THAT WAS BUILT HAS A LOT OF REAL INTEREST. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAD, THERE'S SOME DEVELOPMENT ISSUES RELATED TO THAT. 
          BUT AR ARCHITECTURALLY URBAN DESIGN WISE, IT DOES ALL THE RIGHT THINGS TO SUPPORT BRIDGE PARK. 
          AND I, I FEEL LIKE THIS, THIS, THESE PHASES ARE NOT DOING IT, NOT LIVING UP TO IT. 
          AND EVEN MORE SO WHEN THEY ARE THE GATEWAY, THE EDGE OF, UH, THIS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND SO, UM, I THINK YOU SHOULD REALLY FOCUS ON THOSE ELEMENTS AND REALLY TRY TO, AGAIN, THINK OF THIS AS BEING A GATEWAY AND NOT JUST A TRANSITIONAL PIECE TO MOVE TO THE EAST. 
          UM, AND I THINK I'VE ANSWERED MOST OF THE QUESTIONS. 
          IT SAYS, WHAT ABOUT THE PROPOSED STREET SCAPE? OBVIOUSLY THE STREET SCAPE IS ALREADY THERE. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE THAT. 
          SO I, THERE'S NOTHING TO COMMENT ON THAT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WE, MR. GARVIN. 
          THANK YOU MR. HUNTER. 
          I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE QUESTIONS, UH, I, I SUPPORT THE CHANGES. 
          UM, I ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE GARAGE PARKING OVER STREET. 
          UM, THE BRICK AS WELL I THINK IS, IS, UH, AN IMPORTANT MATERIAL. 
          UM, I THINK KATHY HAD BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT AND UH, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SCREENS AND YOU MENTIONED THE WORD POCKET PARKS, I THINK, UM, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE, HAVE ALLUDED TO THE CORNERS. 
          I THINK THOSE WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT KIND OF PUBLIC AMENITY. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY, UH, AVAILABLE TO THE, UH, OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE THAT ADDS INTEREST FOR WALKING DOWN TO THAT SIDE OF THE STREET BECAUSE I DO AGREE THIS IS WITHIN BRIDGE PARK AND, UM, SHOULD STILL FEEL URBAN INTERESTING WITHIN THAT BLOCK. 
          UM, BUT UH, OVERALL I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHANGES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CARMAN. 
          MR. DASHER BACHELOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, APPRECIATE YOU COMING. 
          AND, UH, I SHARE WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAD SAID AND SPECIFICALLY, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT KIM SAID RELATIVE TO THE DESIGN. 
          I THINK THERE'S A LOT YOU CAN DO. 
          I MENTIONED 'EM WITH THE BALCONIES. 
          THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL VARIATION IN MY OPINION. 
          UH, IT CAN REALLY STAND OUT. 
          I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT EVERYTHING. 
          'CAUSE I, I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY SAID. 
          THE ONE OTHER THING I THINK ON THE JOHN SHIELDS FRONTAGE SIDE, BUT TWO GAP PIECES THAT GO IN. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE IN THOSE SECTIONS THAT IS REALLY GONNA POP, UM, THOSE TWO INLETS, UH, BASED ON THE PLAN. 
          SO I'D FOCUS ON THAT ASPECT AS WELL. 
          BUT, UH, AGAIN, APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OF THE CHANGE TO THE, THE TOWN HOMES, UH, WITH OBVIOUSLY SOME ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. NESTLER. 
          MR. ALEXANDER, WELL, THIS MAY REALLY CONFUSE YOU BECAUSE I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE LAYOUT. 
          I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE HERE, I FIND WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS YOU, YOU'VE TAKEN ESSENTIALLY A ROW HOUSE TYPE AS OPPOSED TO A SUPER BLOCK TYPE. 
          AND SO YOUR HOUSING IS A, IS A TYPICAL URBAN FORM, BUT YOU'VE CREATED VARIETY AND I THINK THE VARIETY IS SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND I WOULD, I DISAGREE, I WOULD NOT TAKE THE VARIETY TOO FAR BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE ALREADY STEPPING THE UNITS, YOU'RE DIFFERENTIATING UNITS. 
          YOU CAN READ THE SEPARATE UNITS. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE EARLIER BUILDINGS. 
          I FIND THE EARLIER BUILDINGS SOMEWHAT CHAOTIC. 
          UM, SO YOU CAN READ THE UNITS, YOU CAN SEE THE ROW HOUSE TYPE, BUT THERE'S STILL VARIATION IN THAT. 
          UM, MY RESERVATIONS ARE THE BACKSIDE BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT YOU'VE, YOU'VE MADE A POINT OF ARTICULATING THE UNITS ON THE FRONT, BUT THE BACKSIDE, THERE'S NO ARTICULATION AND NO VARIATION. 
          AND I'M NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE MATERIAL CHANGE THAT YOU'RE NOT USING MASONRY. 
          BUT I AM CONCERNED IF YOU PULL IN THERE AND YOU LOOK AROUND AND YOU SEE THIS COURTYARD WITH EVERY ELEVATION THE SAME AND EVERY WINDOW PATTERN THE SAME. 
          AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THE EFFORT THAT YOU'VE PUT ON THE FRONT SIDE HASN'T YET SHOWN UP ON THE BACK. 
          I AM, I, I WOULD NOT PERSONALLY, IF I WAS THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, I WOULD NOT ARTICULATE THE CORNERS HEAVILY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MAJOR STREETS THAT YOU PIVOT ON AND MAKE TURNS. 
          THERE'S ACTUALLY BUILDING MASS, YOU'RE CONTINUING THE STREET WALL IN BOTH LOCATIONS, SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE AT THE CORNER OF JOHN SHIELDS AND, AND RIVERSIDE DRIVE, WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT POINT TO MARK. 
          SO YOU MIGHT, IF I, I, I COULD SEE SOME MORE ARTICULATION ON THE SIDE UNIT IN THOSE 
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LOCATIONS, RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD NOT ERODE YOUR IDEA OF THE CONTINUITY OF THESE ROW HOUSES, BECAUSE I THINK THE CONTINUITY IS QUITE, IS REALLY QUITE SUCCESSFUL AND, AND, AND DESIRABLE. 
          AND, UM, I, I WISH THERE WAS MORE OF THE SPACE BECAUSE YOU HAVE, YOU'VE SEPARATED 'EM, YOU'VE MADE 'EM MORE LIKE ROW HOUSES, SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE THAT SPACE BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AS OPPOSED TO JUST HAVING A WALL THERE. 
          SO I WISHED YOU COULD ACTUALLY FEEL OR WALK THROUGH OR FEEL THE SPACE LEAKING OUT FROM THE PARKING OUT TO JOHN SHIELDS. 
          AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME MORE LITERAL, I MEAN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PLAN, WE SEE A LANDSCAPE CONNECTION, BUT FROM THE PARKWAY, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE URBAN DESIGN HERE IS THE PARKWAY. 
          FOR ME, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE CORNERS. 
          SO IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT, THAT YOU COULD EXPERIENCE WALKING THROUGH THERE FROM THE PARKWAY BACK TO THE UNITS, SECURITY'S AN ISSUE. 
          BUT, UM, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE START HERE. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING A COUSIN AND TRYING TO ADOPT IT INTO A DIFFERENT FORM FACTOR. 
          UM, I I, I THINK PART OF MY, UH, LACK OF COMFORTABILITY IS BE BECAUSE I KNEW THE COUSIN AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT COUSIN WITH A, A DIFFERENT FACADE. 
          UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF RECTANGLES, WE HAVE A LOT OF BOXES IN BRIDGE PARK. 
          WE'VE, UM, WE'VE DEVIATED FROM THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND JUST LIKE MR. ALEXANDER MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF A ROW HOUSE, BUT KIND OF NOT. 
          IT'S, UH, ADOPTING THE, THE LARGE FORM FACTOR COLOR SCHEME AND MATERIAL SCHEME INTO A DIFFERENT PRODUCT. 
          AND, AND I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, I, UH, UH, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS, RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS. 
          THEY WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL HERE IN DUBLIN, BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE STILL AT CRAYONS PHASE. 
          UH, I APPRECIATE THE OBS OBFUSCATION OF THE PARKING. 
          NOBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT A PARKING LOT. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING, HEY, LET'S GO DOWN TO BRIDGE PARK AND LOOK AT ALL THE PARKING LOTS. 
          YOU'RE NEVER GONNA HEAR SOMEONE IN DUBLIN SAY, UH, I APPRECIATE THOSE WALLS. 
          I THINK THAT YOU'VE DONE HISTORICALLY A GREAT JOB WITH THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THOSE ITEMS. SO I TRUST THAT WE WOULD GET THERE WITH THIS PARTICULAR ONE. 
          ALSO, UH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING. 
          I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CIRCULATION. 
          I, I HAD SEEN IN DUBLIN AND OTHER PLACES, THE THE BEST INTENT OF YES, WE WANT NOT ONLY RESIDENT PARKING, BUT WE WANT STORAGE IN A GARAGE, WHICH THEN DELETES A PARKING SPACE. 
          AND WE WANT VISITORS NOT TO HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THE SNOW TO GET TO THE UNIT. 
          AND THE FOUR PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE UNIT, WELL, THOSE ARE ALREADY TAKEN UP. 
          AND TO MISS HARDER'S POINT, THERE ARE DELIVERY TRUCKS THERE AS WELL. 
          SO I'D, I'D LOOK VERY CAREFULLY AT THE CIRCULATION IN THE REAR. 
          AND I THINK ONE OF THE WAYS THAT, THAT RELAXES IS BY GOING TO THE ORIGINAL UNIT COUNT BY DELETING THAT UNIT, AND THEN WE FREE UP A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE WITHIN THE, THE BLOCK ITSELF. 
          THE LAST ITEM THAT I'M GOING TO CALL OUT IS I, EH, YOU'VE BEEN BEFORE US ENOUGH TIMES. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW, I TEND TO STAY IN MY LANE AS FAR AS, HEY, WE'RE AT CRAYONS. 
          I'M GONNA JUMP TO LEGOS HERE FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN BRIDGE PARK AND UM, AGAIN, WE'RE DOWN TO LEGOS. 
          WE'RE DOWN TO LIKE THE FLOURISH IN LEGOS AT THIS POINT. 
          THERE'S NOT A WATER FOUNTAIN TO BE HAD. 
          YOU HAVE, AND I'M NOT TALKING THE WATER FOUNTAIN THAT'S MOUNTED ON THE SCHOOL YARD THAT YOU LINE UP BEHIND YOUR TEACHER AND, AND GET A DRINK. 
          I'M TALKING BEAUTIFUL FOUNTAINS. 
          YOU HAVE TWO OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK TO DO SOMETHING PRETTY REMARKABLE, ESPECIALLY THAT JOHN SHIELDS GREENWAY PLACE TO YOUR FAVOR. 
          SO I, I'M GONNA DEVIATE FROM MY NORM AND GO STRAIGHT DOWN TO FLOURISH IN LEGOS AND JUST FLOAT THAT IDEA BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE GONNA SEE YOU AGAIN AS THIS COMES, MOVES FORWARD. 
          AND I WANT THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND. 
          I, I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT. 
          I THINK THAT I CAN APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEED TO DEVIATE FROM THE MASS FORM FOUNDATION TO THE INDIVIDUAL UNIT FOUNDATION. 
          AND I SEE NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T GET THERE. 
          UH, AT THIS TIME. 
          ARE THERE ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION WITH THAT, MR. RUSSELL, DID YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEED ANSWERED THIS EVENING? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          THIS IS A NON-VOTING ITEM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THOSE WHO WERE IN THE AUDIENCE ON ONLY THIS ITEM, UM, WELL WE GOT YOU OUT OF HERE IN AN HOUR, BUT YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO STAY AND, AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM WITH US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, WE ARE MOVING ON TO 
          [Case #24-106CP ]
CASE 24 DASH 1 0 6 CP. 
          THIS IS 
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A CONCEPT REVIEW AND FEEDBACK FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, 120 TO 150 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THE COMBINED APPROXIMATELY 12 ACRE SITE IS ZONED R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, TF TECHNOLOGY FLUX DISTRICT AND PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WARNER TEMPLE PARK AND POOL. 
          IT IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF WARNER TEMPLE ROAD AND AVERY ROAD. 
          WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT TO THE PODIUM FOR THE CASE PRESENTATION. 
          GOOD EVENING, CHRIS INGRAM, 52 EAST GAY STREET, COLUMBUS. 
          I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE VOR LAW FIRM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. 
          I'M JOINED THIS EVENING BY MICHAEL FE SOFF, KEVIN MCCAULEY AND GREG OG. 
          UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING FOR, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU ON THIS PROJECT. 
          SOME OF YOU I KNOW, UM, WERE NOT AT THAT HEARING AND SO WE'RE HERE AGAIN. 
          UH, AS CHAIRPERSON CALLED, JUST UM, SUMMARIZED ON A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR APPROXIMATELY 12 AC ACRES SITE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF AVERY ROAD AND WARNER TEMPLE ROAD. 
          AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO REDEVELOP AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL USE IN VACANT LAND WITH, UH, A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT COMPRISED OF APPROXIMATELY 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE AND BETWEEN 125 AND 150 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          NOW IN THE INTERVENING TIME SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, UH, WE HAVE CONTINUED OUR, OUR DIALOGUE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND HELD OUR THIRD MEETING WITH THE BALANCE TRAY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, WE'VE ALSO MADE REVISIONS THAT ARE, UH, SET FORTH IN THE CONCEPT PLAN APPLICATION THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT THAT MR. FIGHT WILL, UH, WALK YOU THROUGH THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE IN RESPONSE TO, UH, THIS BODY'S, UH, DISCUSSION POINTS AND, UH, INPUT FROM OUR LAST MEETING. 
          KEVIN'S GONNA HELP ME OUT WITH A CLICKER. 
          UM, MICHAEL FIGHT 6 6 8 9 DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE. 
          UM, I'M GONNA KEEP MY COMMENTS SHORT 'CAUSE WE'RE HERE TO REALLY LISTEN MORE THAN TALK. 
          UM, BUT I WANT TO GO THROUGH A FEW THINGS THAT I HAD THREE GOALS WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, ONE BEING TO TAKE AN INDUSTRIAL USE AND VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND MAKE IT INTO A VIBRANT COMMUNITY. 
          UM, WE THINK WE'VE DONE THAT ALONG THE WAY. 
          WE STARTED, UH, DEVELOPING A DIFFERENT GOAL, WHICH WAS, UM, TRYING TO BRING BALANCE RAY AND ALL THE CHARM THAT IS IN BALANCE TRAY THAT I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE A PART OF OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND OUT TO AVERY ROAD, SORT, SORT OF MAKE A GATEWAY TO BALL ANDRE INSTEAD OF WHAT IT IS NOW ON ONE SIDE ONLY. 
          WE WANT TO COMPLIMENT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          AND WE WANTED TO, WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM MOST TIMES, WE WANTED TO READ, UNDERSTAND, AND EMBRACE THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          AND WE BELIEVE WE'VE DONE THAT WITH A MIX OF USES HERE, RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. 
          SO WE HAD THOSE THREE GOALS AT THE BEGINNING. 
          I THINK WE IMPLEMENTED THEM ON THE INFORMAL REVIEW, WHICH MOST OF YOU WERE A PART OF. 
          AND NOW WE'RE AT THE CONCEPT LEVEL. 
          AND AS CHRIS MENTIONED, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A REFINEMENT OF WHERE WE WERE TAKING COMMENTS, WE HEARD AND IMPLEMENTING THEM. 
          SO I JUST WANNA BRIEFLY WALK THROUGH WHAT THEY ARE IN THE SEVEN. 
          YOU CAN GET ME TO NUMBER ONE. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          NUMBER ONE IN MY WORLD. 
          SO FROM INFORMAL TO NOW, WE HAD A FEW THINGS POP UP THAT WERE, UM, UNEXPECTED BUT REALITY. 
          AND ONE OF 'EM IS, IF I CAN GET THIS THING TO WORK, IF YOU CAN SEE THIS, WE INCLUDED, THIS IS OUR INFORMAL SUBMISSION ON THIS SIDE. 
          AND MR. BATAR, THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN ON THIS SIDE. 
          EXCUSE THE INTERRUPTION. 
          DO YOU WANT ME TO POINT OVER THERE? NO, YOU CAN, CAN CONTINUE TO POINT HERE. 
          MR. BATAR, IF YOU COULD USE THE MOUSE TO KIND OF MIRROR WHAT HE'S DOING ON THE LARGE SCREEN SO THE AUDIENCE CAN WATCH THE LARGE SCREEN. 
          I THINK THINK THE CORNER ACTUALLY WORKS ON THE SCREEN WELL, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, SO THE INFORMAL IS ON YOUR LEFT. 
          THE, WHERE WE ARE NOW IS ON THE RIGHT AND THIS CORNER, WHICH IS THE SOUTH, UM, EAST CORNER OF, OF OUR PROPERTY IS NOW 
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NOT INCLUDED. 
          AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET TO A RESOLUTION ON, ON THE CONTRACT WITH THE LANDSCAPE COMPANY. 
          SO A COUPLE THINGS THAT HAPPENED THAT DROPPED OUT AND IT PUSHED OUR CURB CUT A LITTLE CLOSER TO WARNER TEMPLE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THING. 
          ANOTHER THING, ITEM TWOS THAT WAS POINTED OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT IS WE HAD AT ONE TIME SHOWN IN THE INFORMAL APPLICATION, THE SAME ROAD LOCATION FOR THE ROAD FROM WARNER TEMPLE DOWN PAST THE POOL. 
          IT'S IN THE SAME GENERAL LOCATION AS IT WAS AT THE INFORMAL. 
          IT'S JUST IN THIS STEP. 
          STAFF HAS POINTED OUT THAT THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S REALLY OWNED BY THE CITY OF DUBLIN, SO THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH IS WHERE HE IS CIRCLING OVER THERE. 
          THE ROADS ARE IN THE SAME PLACE, JUST IT'S, IT'S OUTLINED NOW THAT IT'S THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 
          WE KNEW THAT TO BEGIN WITH AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF TO COME TO A RESOLUTION AS TO HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT. 
          ANOTHER THING WE HEARD AT INFORMAL, UH, BIG TOPIC OF CONVERSATION WAS THE HEIGHT THAT WE WERE PROPOSING AT THE TIME. 
          WE HAD SAID, UH, MOST OF THE BUILDINGS ALONG WARNER TEMPLE AND AVERY WERE GOING TO BE MAXIMUM TWO STORIES. 
          THERE WAS ONE BUILDING THAT'S CLOSER TO THE POOL ENTRANCE, WHICH WOULD BE OUR PUBLIC ROAD THAT WE HAD SUGGESTED, MIGHT BE A THREE STORY BUILDING. 
          AND, AND NOW WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THIS DIAGRAM IS WE'VE COMMITTED TO AVERY AND WARNER TEMPLE BEING TWO STORY BUILDINGS, 35 FOOT HEIGHT, WHICH IS THE, UM, APPROVED HEIGHT AND BALANCE TRAY TODAY. 
          AND REALLY ON THE, THE EXISTING ZONE ON THE SITE'S 35 FEET. 
          WE ALSO MENTIONED AT THE TIME THAT WE'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, RAISE THAT HEIGHT TO 45 FEET, WHICH WOULD BE THREE STORIES IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS, UM, WHERE IT MADE ARCHITECTURAL SENSE. 
          AND THE ORANGE SHADED AREA IN THIS DIAGRAM SHOWS YOU WHERE WE'VE KIND OF PICKED TO DO THAT. 
          SO IT GOES FROM 35 FEET, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE TO A FEW SPOTS WHERE IT'S 45 FEET REALLY TO GET SOME ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST IN THE BUILDINGS. 
          UH, SOME CHARACTER AND CHARM. 
          IT ALSO ADDS SOME MORE UNITS, WHICH MAKES IT MORE VIABLE ECONOMICALLY. 
          ANOTHER BIG TOPIC OF CONVERSATION WAS OUR, UM, SETBACKS, SETBACKS ALONG WARNER TEMPLE SETBACKS ALONG AVERY ROAD. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN IN, UM, NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP THAT REPRESENTS ANDRE AND IT'S BEEN ONE OF THEIR TOPICS O OF, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO ADDRESS. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE SHOWN HERE IS GREEN SPACE THAT'S IN THAT SETBACK ALONG WARNER TEMPLE AND AVERY ROAD, WHICH IS 50 FEET. 
          AND THEN THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR PATIOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT MIGHT ACTIVATE THAT SPACE, MAKE IT MORE FUN, UM, VERSUS JUST GRASS. 
          AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE DIFFERENT SHADES OF GREEN ARE OPEN SPACE THAT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAYS, OPEN SPACE THAT'S IN, UM, AROUND THE BUILDINGS AND IT'S KIND OF SHOCKING, BUT, UM, THERE'S FIVE ACRES NORTH OF FIVE ACRES OF THE SITE WITH THIS CONCEPT DIAGRAM THAT IS GREEN IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF GREEN SETBACKS, RIGHT OF AWAYS. 
          AND, AND YARD SPACE. 
          FIVE ACRES OUT OF 12. 
          FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW, 60% OF IT IS GREEN, THE PUBLIC. 
          WE HAD ANOTHER COMMENT, I THINK IT WAS YOU, UM, REBECCA, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC STREETS VERSUS PRIVATE STREETS. 
          UM, AND, AND THE INFORMAL PRESENTATION AND APPLICATION. 
          ALL THE STREETS WERE PRIVATE STREETS. 
          AND NOW WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THIS DRAWING, THE YELLOW SHADED AREAS ARE WHAT WE INTEND TO BE PUBLIC STREETS, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS IS BUILT TO PUBLIC STANDARDS. 
          UH, THE PROPER LANE WIDTHS, PROPER SIDEWALKS, PROPER TREE LAWNS, ET CETERA. 
          UM, IT'S KIND OF SHOCKING IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACREAGE THERE, IT'S ANOTHER THREE ACRES. 
          SO BETWEEN OPEN SPACE AND PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS, WE HAVE EIGHT ACRES OUT OF 12 THAT'S UTILIZED FOR THOSE TWO THINGS. 
          UM, I'M A PLANNER AND THAT, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I DID THAT MATH AND IT WAS, UH, PRETTY SHOCKING TO ME. 
          IT'S A HIGH PERCENTAGE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING WE DID, WHICH PROBABLY THE BIGGEST, UM, AREA OF WORK WAS TAKING WHAT WE HAD SHOWN YOU FOR ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, WHICH WAS MORE IMAGES OF OTHER PLACES, YOU KNOW, CHARACTER IMAGES, THIS IS WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, AND TURNING THAT INTO WHAT WE ARE SHOWING ON OUR SITE PLAN IS WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          SO THIS FIRST BUILDING HERE IS ONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THAT GOES FROM TWO STORIES ON THE END 
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TO THE PIECE IN THE MIDDLE IS A THREE STORY, WHICH IS THAT ORANGE SHADED AREA YOU SAW BEFORE ON THE DIAGRAM. 
          AND ANOTHER THING THAT WE HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS AND FROM, AND THIS, UH, BOARD, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT BALL, ANDRE, MAKE IT DUBLIN. 
          SO WE'VE SHOWN STONE AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT, THAT TRY TO MAKE IT COHESIVE WITH ENTREE'S. 
          ARCHITECTURAL THEME. 
          SO THIS IS THE FRONT OF ONE OF THE BUILDINGS AND 70, MAYBE THE NEXT SLIDE IF YOU CAN. 
          IT JUST SHOWS THAT, THAT ONE OF THE CORNERS OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS TWO STORIES, AND AGAIN, THERE'S PORCHES AND GABLES AND, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE AT CONCEPT STAGE AND THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL TO BE WORKED OUT ON THE ARCHITECTURE, BUT THE INTENT IS WHEN IT'S BUILT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS PART OF BALANCE TRADE TO BEGIN WITH, AND CERTAINLY PART OF DUBLIN. 
          SO, LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF REFINEMENTS, WE THINK, UM, IN A GOOD WAY, AND MOST OF THEM WE HEARD HERE AND WE TRIED TO ADDRESS FROM THE INFORMAL TILL NOW. 
          UM, SO THE, THE LAST THING I I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT IS IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH IS VERY THOROUGH AND HE'S GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS OF THE SITE, ET CETERA. 
          UM, I THINK HE LEFT YOU WITH JUST THINK OF THESE FOUR QUESTIONS OR FOUR THINGS TO CONSIDER. 
          UM, AND ONE OF THOSE, THE FIRST ONE WAS, UH, DRIVE-THROUGHS AND, AND MIGHT COME AS A SHOCK TO YOU THAT WE WANTED THEM, SINCE THEY WOULDN'T TALK ABOUT IT. 
          WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT LAST TIME. 
          IT WAS IMPLIED WE WERE GOING TO DO IT LAST TIME. 
          IT'S POINTED OUT NOW. 
          IT'S A GOOD THING TO DISCUSS. 
          UM, WE'RE SHOWING TWO WHICH WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE. 
          WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THEY COMPLY WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE WANT 'EM TO BE SAFE, WANT 'EM TO BE SCREENED AND ALL THAT. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS THE CONVENIENCE OF THE CURRENT MARKET AND, AND DEMANDS. 
          UM, WE NEED DRIVE-THROUGHS, A COUPLE OF THEM. 
          A STARBUCKS FOR ENTRANCE WOULD BE A GREAT USE HERE. 
          WE'VE HEARD THE COMMUNITY WOULD LOVE THAT. 
          UM, THEY HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH ICE CREAM SHOP, MAYBE A GRADE GRADER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THEY WANT A DRIVE THROUGH. 
          SO WE WANT THESE USES THAT WILL MAKE THIS VILLAGE VERY WALKABLE AND PEDESTRIAN AND SUCCESSFUL TO, TO BE ABLE TO SUCCEED AND DRIVEWAY DRIVE-THROUGHS DONE IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY WE THINK ARE, UM, APPROPRIATE. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE NEXT QUESTION THAT WAS IN THOSE THINGS TO CONSIDER IS THE BUILDING OF LAWN WARNER TEMPLE BEING ALL RESIDENTIAL OR A MIXED USE OF RETAIL RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S EARLY. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS THE RIGHT ANSWER, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSS IT. 
          IT'S THAT LITTLE BUILDING BY THE POOL ENTRANCE. 
          UM, IT COULD BE ALL RESIDENTIAL, IT COULD BE A COMBINATION. 
          I THINK MAYBE I HEARD AT THE, UH, COMMENTS DURING THE INFORMAL NOT ONLY MIX OF USES HORIZONTALLY, BUT VERTICALLY. 
          AND, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THAT'S A PLACE TO DO IT AND WE'LL CONSIDER IT. 
          WE JUST DON'T KNOW YET. 
          IT'S SHOWN AS RESIDENTIAL TODAY. 
          I KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE DISCUSSION OF THE SETBACKS. 
          IS IT APPROPRIATE AT ONE POINT, THERE'S A, UM, DOCUMENT THAT SAYS ALONG AVERY, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A HUNDRED TO 200 FEET. 
          I THINK IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS SITE THAT'S EXCESSIVE, WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET DOESN'T HAVE THAT SETBACK. 
          AND IF WE USE THE 50 FEET DONE IN THE APPROPRIATE WAY, LIKE YOU'VE SEEN ON THIS DRAWING WITH STONE WALLS AND MONOLITHS AND THINGS THAT RE HAS THE CHARACTER THAT RE HAS IT, IT IT CAN BE INVITING AND NOT SET SO FAR BACK FROM THE STREET THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT VILLAGE CHARM THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN A, IN A NATURAL SETTING. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S MY COMMENTS AT THIS POINT. 
          UH, THE STAFF REPORT WILL HAVE MUCH MORE DETAIL AND THEN WE'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS POINT. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR PROPOSAL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. PINT. 
          WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WANTED TO START BY JUST OUTLINING WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THE PROCESS, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE, UH, INFORMAL HEARING THAT WE HAD A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. 
          UH, JUST A DIFFERENT, UH, CATEGORY OF, UH, DISCUSSION ITEMS. UH, BUT IT IS STILL NON-BINDING FEEDBACK AT THIS STAGE. 
          SO THE MEAT OF THE, UH, DETAILED INFORMATION WOULD COME IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD TO THE NEXT STAGE, WHICH IS THE REZONING AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          SO AGAIN, WE ARE AT THE VERY, VERY INITIAL STAGES WITH THE CHANGES THAT THEY'VE MADE SINCE THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION. 
          THE, UH, AS MR. WHITE, UM, MENTIONED, THERE'S A SECTION 
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OF THE PARCEL NOW OR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT INCLUDES A PORTION OF A CITY PARCEL THAT, UH, HAS ACCESS AN ACCESS DRIVE TO THE COMMUNITY POOL AS WELL AS A DETENTION POND. 
          UH, THE INTENT IS TO WORK THROUGH THAT TO RECONFIGURE THE, UH, ALIGNMENT OF THAT ROAD AND ALLOW FOR A PUBLIC STREET THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CONNECT FURTHER SOUTH. 
          SO THAT'S ONE CHANGE. 
          AND THEN THE PARCEL THAT DROPPED OFF THAT MR. FIGHT INDICATED, I THINK THE ZONING WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, SO I WON'T DWELL ON THAT TOO MUCH OTHER THAN IT IS TECHNOLOGY FLEX ON THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE, UH, PROPERTY AND RESIDENTIAL ON THE NORTHERN ON DEVELOPED PIECE. 
          AND THEN JUST A REMINDER OF THE, UH, COMMISSION COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE INFORMAL REVIEW PROCESS. 
          UH, AT THE TIME, OBVIOUSLY THE LAYOUT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT THERE WAS A GENERAL SUPPORT OF THE OVERALL MIX OF USES, BUT IT WAS EMPHASIZED THAT THE DETAILS WERE GONNA BE, UH, PRETTY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, HOW THE RESIDENTIAL, THE BIG HOUSE CONCEPT WAS GONNA BE DETAILED TO FIT IN WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, THE NEED FOR MAINTAINING THE PARK, LIKE SETTING ALONG THE, UH, TWO MAJOR ROADWAYS SURROUNDING THE DEVELOPMENT AND WHETHER THAT'S COMPLETELY OPEN SPACE OR WHETHER THAT'S PATIOS THAT ARE, UM, USED TO ACTIVATE THE FRONTAGE. 
          UH, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BUILDING HEIGHT, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE ROADWAY FRONTAGE. 
          AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED IS THAT IT SHOULD BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN TWO STORIES, BUT COULD TRANSITION TO THREE STORIES IN CERTAIN AREAS FURTHER SOUTH. 
          AND THEN THE IMPORTANCE OF PEDESTRIAN CONNECT CONNECTIVITY, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AND HOW THE BUILD, EXCUSE ME, HOW THE BUILDINGS RELATE TO THE STREET FRONTAGES TO MAINTAIN A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ITEM WAS THE BUILDING AT THE, UH, SOUTHERN END OF THE AVERY FRONTAGE WAS SHOWN AS RESIDENTIAL AT THE TIME, AND THERE WAS A SUGGESTION TO CONSIDER THE ROADWAY FRONTAGES BEING ALL NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          SO WITH THAT, THIS TRANSITIONS INTO THE, UH, UH, NEW VERSION OF THE APPLICATION AND THE CITY PARCEL IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED JUST SO THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WHICH AREA THAT IS, UH, COVERED WITH THAT. 
          THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IS THE, UH, ROADWAY ALIGNMENT. 
          IT TAKES ON MORE OF A GRID SYSTEM IN THIS, UH, SCENARIO, AND IT ALLOWS FOR MORE INTUITIVE, UH, FUTURE CONNECTIVITY TO THE SOUTH. 
          A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT DOES TAKE PLACE AND THEN THE ACCESS OFF OF AVERY ROAD, UH, IS AT AN LOCATION THAT'S AT THIS POINT, UM, NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, STANDARD, UH, DISTANCE FROM THE INTERSECTION OF AVERY AND WARNER TEMPLE. 
          SO THOSE, AND, AND THEN THERE'S CARLE WITH SEVERAL EXISTING DRIVEWAYS ON THE SOUTH AND EAST SIDES OF THAT ROAD. 
          SO THOSE TYPES OF DETAILS WOULD BE ONES THAT IF THE PROJECT PROCEEDS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. 
          AND, UH, ANY MITIGATING FACTORS OR AN EVALUATION OF WHETHER THAT FULL ACCESS IS FEASIBLE AT THAT LOCATION WOULD BE DETERMINED. 
          UH, SIMILARLY THERE'S SOME CONCERNS, UM, AT THE, UH, RIGHT AND RIGHT A THAT'S BEING PROPOSED ALONG THE WARNER TEMPLE ROAD FRONTAGE. 
          YOU CAN SEE IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION THAT WAS NOT, UM, UH, VEHICULAR ACCESS. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE, UH, FUTURE, UH, PATTERN OR FUTURE DETAILS. 
          THE, UH, OTHER PART OF MR. FIGHT, UH, HAND AT THAT IS THE CURRENT PLAN INCLUDES A COUPLE OF POTENTIAL DRIVE THROUGH OR DRIVE UP FACILITIES. 
          THE, UH, ONE OR TWO WITH THAT IN MIND POINT OUT THE FUTURE, UM, LAND USE AREAS IN THE NEW ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN. 
          AND THIS HAPPENS TO BE WITHIN THE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AREA. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE INTENT IS TO ALLOW FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES LOCATED IN NEAR FUTURE EXISTING FUTURE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE WALKABLE, AUTO ACCESSIBLE AND ESCAPEE TO NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND THE USES INCLUDE, UH, THE USES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, UH, TONIGHT AS WELL AS SUPPORTING USES SUCH AS SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          I THINK WE WOULD EMPHASIZE THE WALKABILITY, UH, INTENT OF THIS MIXED U USE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I WON'T REPEAT THE UH, DETAILS SINCE MR. FIGHT, UH, MENTIONED THOSE, BUT, UH, THE, UH, BUILDING 
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ALONG THE WARNER TEMPLE FRONTAGE IS LEFT OPEN TO WHETHER THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY PURELY RESIDENTIAL OR WITH ANOTHER USE AT THE, UH, FIRST FLOOR. 
          SO WE DID RAISE THAT AS A QUESTION FOR YOU ALONG WITH THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH, DRIVE UP FACILITIES AS WHETHER YOU, YOU FEEL THOSE USES ARE APPROPRIATE AT THE FRONTAGES. 
          UH, AND SPEAKING OF THE FRONTAGES, UH, THEY ARE SHOWN AT A 50 FOOT SETBACK ALONG BOTH MAJOR ROADWAYS. 
          THE NEW COMMUNITY PLAN HAS A THOROUGHFARE, UH, PLAN COMPONENT AND IT WITHIN THAT, UH, PART OF THE PLAN, IT IDENTIFIES DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF EACH ROADWAY. 
          AND WHAT, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION, IF YOU WILL, THERE'S ALSO A CHARACTER THAT, UH, IS APPROPRIATE TO, OR, UH, PERCEIVED AS APPROPRIATE TO THE SPECIFIC AREA. 
          AND IN BOTH OF THESE CASES, UH, THE, UH, RECOMMENDED, UH, SETBACK IS BETWEEN A HUNDRED, UH, AND UP TO 200 FEET OF SETBACK. 
          AND THE INTENT IS TO MAINTAIN A LITTLE BIT OF THE RURAL CHARACTER, BUT ALSO MAINTAIN VIEW CORRIDORS TO THE EXISTING PARTS THAT ARE ON THE NORTH AND EAST SIDES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO THE FEEDBACK THAT, UM, THE COMMISSION PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT LAST TIME, WHERE THERE WAS, UM, SOME POTENTIAL OF ACCEPTING A SMALLER SETBACK IF THE FRONTAGE IS ACTIVATED. 
          AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WE WOULD POSE TO THE COMMISSION. 
          IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE SHOWING THE SETBACK WITH POTENTIALLY SOME PATIOS, BUT ALSO WOULD ACCOMMODATE SOME, I'M GONNA CALL THEM BUYER RETENTION OR SOME OTHER WAYS OF HANDLING, UH, THE, SOME WATER, UH, NEEDS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN THE ROADWAYS, AS MR. FIGHT MENTIONED, THE UH, NORTH, SOUTH, SOUTH ROADWAY THAT WOULD BE, UH, SHARED WITH THE POOL WOULD BE A PUBLIC STREET. 
          THE EAST WEST ROADWAY WOULD BE A PUBLIC STREET. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER NORTH SOUTH ROADWAY IS, UH, THEY, THEY'RE GIVING THEMSELVES, UH, OPTION OF WHETHER THAT'S, UH, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE STUDIED AT THE, UH, NEXT LEVEL. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE A FEW PRIVATE DRIVES THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR CIRCULATION THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND ACCESS TO THE PARKING LOT FOR THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. 
          BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WE HAVE WITH THESE BUILDINGS IS THE GARAGES THAT ARE INTEGRATED WITHIN THE BUILDINGS, BUT THEY'VE MADE THE EFFORT OF TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF ONES THAT WOULD HAVE A DIRECT ACCESS ON THE STREETS. 
          SO STAFF FEELS THAT'S A, THAT'S A POSITIVE. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER DIFFERENCE FROM THE PREVIOUS VERSION IS THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THREE STORY BUILDINGS SHOWN AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITH, UH, DETACHED GARAGES. 
          SO, UH, BUT OTHERWISE THEY ARE INCLUDING, UH, A STREET PROFILE SIMILAR TO THE SHARED STREET, UH, PROFILE WITHIN THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN, INCLUDING, UM, TREE LAWNS, PUBLIC SIDEWALKS ON STREET PARKING. 
          AND THEN THROUGHOUT DEVELOPMENT THEY'RE SHOWING SOME OF THE FEATURES THAT THEY'VE BORROWED FROM BALANCE TREE, INCLUDING THE STONE WALLS AND SOME OTHER FEATURES. 
          SO MR. FIGHT TALKED ABOUT THE BUILDING HEIGHT, THAT'S GONNA BE A QUE ONE OF THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, THIS IS NEAR THE INTERSECTION, UH, OF WARNER TEMPLE AND EVERY AVERY ROAD. 
          AND THEN SOME OF THE SITE AMENITIES AND ELEMENTS THAT THEY'RE INTENDING TO USE TO, UH, REFLECT RY. 
          SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE UH, THREE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          ONE IS THE USE, UH, BASIC, BASICALLY THE DRIVE-THRU DRIVE UP USES AS WELL AS WHETHER A COMPLETELY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE AT THE WARNER TEMPLE FRONTAGE. 
          UH, THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE OVERALL SITE LAYOUT AND IF THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHT AND AND ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, WOULD THAT BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BEFORE WE GET INTO GENERAL QUESTIONS, MR. PETAR WAS STAFF AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANY OF THOSE? I WENT TO ONE THAT WAS HELD BEFORE THE INFORMAL REVIEW. 
          I WAS NOT ABLE TO GO TO THE ONE MOST RECENT MEETING THAT THEY HAD, I BELIEVE, JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, OPENING IT UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS. 
          MR. CHINOOK, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGHS. 
          THERE'S A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DRIVE UP AND DRIVE THROUGH AND IT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT GRAY. 
          LIKE ARE WE TALKING MENU BOARDS, STACKING? 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY, IT'S NOT ARTICULATED ON THE SITE AS OPPOSED TO FOOD DELIVERY PICKUP. 
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I THINK I WOULD, UH, ASK THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO THAT 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. 
          WELCOME BACK MR. INGRAM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK WITH RESPECT TO THE DRIVE-THROUGHS AT THIS CURRENT CONCEPTUAL STAGE, WE REALLY JUST WANT TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY, UH, BECAUSE AS, AS MANY OF US NOW ARE EXPERIENCING CON, CONSUMER PREFERENCES ARE REALLY CHANGING IN THE WAY THAT WE INTERACT, PARTICULARLY WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH RESTAURANTS IN ORDER OF AHEAD. 
          I KNOW, UH, THAT THE INGRAM FAMILY FAVORITE IS, UH, CHIPOTLE ORDER AHEAD. 
          AND I JUST READ THAT CHIPOTLE IS STARTING A WHOLE NEW DRIVE THROUGH CONCEPT WHERE YOU DON'T ORDER AT THE WINDOW OR AT A BOARD, YOU HAVE TO ORDER ON THE APP AND YOU ONLY PULL UP WHEN YOUR FOOD IS, IS READY. 
          AND IT'S TO REALLY IMPROVE THE ARTICULATION, UM, AND, AND AND FLOW OF, OF THE CONSUMERS THROUGH THAT SPACE. 
          UH, SO I I I WOULD ASK THAT, THAT THIS BODY KEEP AN OPEN MIND AS WE PROGRESS FORWARD WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH THOSE TYPES OF CHANGING, UH, MARKET PREFERENCES AND CONSUMER DEMANDS, UM, AS WE, UH, AGAIN, CENTER ON INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND START TO REALLY SHARPEN OUR PENCILS ON SOME OF THESE DETAILS. 
          SO, SO NOT RULING OUT MENU BOARDS, JUST LEAVING IT OPEN FOR DETERMINATION. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEN ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION UP THERE, HAVE YOU INCREASED THE NUMBER OF TENANT FOR THE COMMERCIAL USE? IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT MORE TENANT SPACE THAN THERE WAS IN THE PRIOR PLAN. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE NUMBER OF TENANTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED? AND I'LL DEFER TO MR. FIGHT FOR THAT QUESTION NUMBER TENANTS. 
          UM, THE, THE COMMERCIALS IS EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE AS IT WAS. 
          IT'S JUST, AND, AND THE 30,000 SQUARE FEET IS KIND OF A CEILING NUMBER AND PROBABLY WOULDN'T GET TO THAT. 
          IT'S ALL THE DIFFERENT TENANTS HAVE DIFFERENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND 30,000 IS THE MOST WE COULD EVER DO HERE. 
          PROBABLY BE A LITTLE LESS WHEN THOSE TENANTS IMPLEMENT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. 
          THEY WANT. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME, MR. WAY? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          UM, BASSAM, COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY THE SETBACK? YOU SAID IT'S BETWEEN 102 HUNDRED FEET AND I WAS TRYING TO LIKE DRILL INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. 
          I THINK WHAT I WAS READING, THE WENDELL TEMPLE WAS THE 200 FEET AND THAT AVERY WAS ACTUALLY A HUNDRED FEET. 
          IS IS THERE THAT DISTINCTION OR IS IT JUST THERE? THERE IS, YEAH, AVERY, UM, IS A HUNDRED FEET WARNER TEMPLE THAT, THAT RURAL CHARACTER, IT SAYS 100 TO 200 FEET. 
          SO I THINK IT LEAVES SOME DISCRETION TO THE COMMISSION, BUT IT SAYS ONE TO TWO. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS THE, UM, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY THAT'S SHOWN THEY'RE AN EYE, IS THAT A REPLACEMENT TO WHAT'S THERE NOW? KIND OF, IS IT KIND OF LIKE JUST MOVING IT SO THAT IT CAN ACCOMMODATE SOME DIFFERENT, THE SITE LAYOUT OR THEORETICALLY THAT INTENTION? YES. 
          YEAH, IT HASN'T BEEN COMPLETELY ENGINEERED AS FAR AS I KNOW, BUT YES, THE INTENT IS TO, WE ORGANIZE THE EXISTING ONE AND I KNOW IT'S CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT. 
          SO IT THAT'S NOT, I MEAN IS THAT THE, THE, THE LIMIT OF STORM MANAGEMENT THAT'S NEEDED OR IS THAT STILL TO BE DETERMINED ABOUT HOW WE'RE HANDLING ST. 
          STORMWATER MANAGE? WE'RE WORKING ON SEVERAL VERSIONS OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AT THE AS WE SPEAK. 
          SO WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT STEP, WE'LL PROBABLY, UM, NARROW DOWN TO AT LEAST ONE OR TWO AND THEN PRESENT THEM TO YOU. 
          THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT WAYS TO GO ABOUT DOING IT. 
          SO WE MAY SEE MORE OF THEM THAN LESS OF THEM. 
          WE MAY SEE MORE OF THOSE MORE WATER, UH, MORE UNDERGROUND STORAGE. 
          I CAN'T TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT GREAT. 
          WE KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO RESOLVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. PINT. 
          MR. ALEX HUNTER, COUPLE COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I OBVIOUSLY WASN'T HERE FOR YOUR EARLIER PRESENTATION, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE NOTICED COMPARING THE SITE PLANS IS YOU'VE ORGANIZED THE SITE DIFFERENTLY. 
          IT APPEARS THAT IN THIS SITE PLAN, ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL USES ARE ON ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, PREVIOUS SITE PLAN, IT LOOKED LIKE MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL USES WERE TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? YES. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL IS CONSOLIDATED ON THE SOUTH EXCEPT FOR THAT BUILDING THAT'S UP ON WARNER TEMPLE, WHICH WOULD ENGAGE, BUT, BUT THAT BUILDING ON WARNER TEMPLE, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE BUILDING ON WARNER TEMPLE, WHICH IS G AND ALL THE, THE REST OF THE RESIDENCE LINE UP WITH THAT RIGHT. 
          CONTINUE TO THE SOUTH. 
          I I HAVE A HARD TIME HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          ALRIGHT, LET ME SEE IF I CAN  I'LL SPEAK 
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LOUDER. 
          MY WIFE SAYS THE SAME THING, . 
          UM, WELL I HAVE ISSUES HEARING IT ANYWAY. 
          ALRIGHT, SO, SO WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR EARLIER SITE PLAN AND I LOOK AT PRIVATE DRIVE B, IT LOOKS LIKE TO THE SOUTH OF PRIVATE DRIVE B IS MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR NEW SITE PLAN AND I LOOK AT STREET C, IT LOOKS LIKE MOST THE RESIDENTIAL IS SHIFTED. 
          SO IT'S, AND THAT'S WHY THE BUILDING'S ON WARNER TEMPLE SEEMS TO ME IS BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE SHIFTED ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL USE, UM, TO THE WEST. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? UM, I THINK THE ROADS CHANGED AS WELL, WHICH IS MAYBE CAUSING SOME OF THE, AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          I MEAN I, I I'M JUST, SO ARE YOU SAYING IT, I THINK YOU'RE IN THE GENERAL SAME LOCATION AS WE PRESENTED THEM AT THE INFORMAL HEARING, THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, ALL. 
          WELL WHAT, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE WHEN I LOOK AT THE PLAN, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY RESIDENTIAL THAT'S TO THE EAST OF STREET C INCORPORATED IN THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE OUT TOWARDS THE CORNER? NOT AT THIS TIME, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE USE, WHAT WOULD THE USE OF THE SECOND STORY BE IN THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE, WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE? UM, ON THE, JUST THE RETAIL PIECE? YES. 
          PROBABLY VERY FEW USES. 
          IT MIGHT BE OFFICE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MOST OF IT MIGHT BE WHAT, WHAT I LIKE TO CALL IT'S TWO STORY FAKE ARCHITECTURE. 
          THERE'S REALLY NOTHING UP THERE. 
          OKAY, OKAY. 
          BUT IT LOOKS GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I HAD A QUESTION. 
          IS THERE A DIFFERENCE, YOUR FIRST SITE PLAN IDENTIFIES A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS AS A VILLAGE RETAIL, AND THEN IN THE SAME LOCATION ON YOUR NEW CONCEPT PLAN THERE, E NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS THERE, IS THERE SOME DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT THOSE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE DOING? YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA REPEAT THAT AGAIN. 
          I, UH, I, MY KEVIN MCCAULEY , UH, I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY I WAS JUST TRYING TO MATCH UP WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN PROPERLY. 
          SO THE FUNCTIONS, THE FUNCTION'S NOT CHANGING, CORRECT? NO. 
          AND THERE WAS NO INTENDED, IT'S JUST TRYING TO MATCH UP THE COMMUNITY PLAN MAKES YOU AND USE THE RIGHT LABELS AND THE RIGHT WORDS ON THIS. 
          ON THIS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S NOT CHANGED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR, FOR CLARITY. 
          COULD I HAVE YOU, I THOUGHT WE HAD IT IN OUR DRAWINGS, BUT COULD I HAVE YOU BRING UP THE LITTLE MATRIX THAT'S FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL? WHAT IS THE EXCUSE NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH, JUST FOR THE AUDIENCE TO SEE WHERE WE'VE SEEN THE COMMUNITY PLAN MANY, MANY TIMES. 
          THIS PARTICULAR ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO MR. MCCAULEY, IS THIS REALLY WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO? ALIGNING TO THE LANGUAGE DEPICTED HERE? ALRIGHT, LAST QUESTION FOR THE MOMENT, AND THIS MAY BE FOR YOU BAAM YOUR, UM, PRESENTATION IDENTIFIED ONE POTENTIAL MIXED USE BUILDING ON THE SITE. 
          WHERE, WHERE IS THAT? THAT, LET ME GET BACK TO THAT SLIDE. 
          SO THAT'S THE WARNER TEMPLE BUILDING. 
          THAT MIGHT BE MIXED USE, MIGHT BE O HOUSING. 
          THAT'S OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, AND I, I WANTED TO POINT OUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WITH THE PREVIOUS PLAN, WE ALSO HAD SHOWN ONE OF THE BUILDINGS ALONG THE WARNER TEMPLE FRONTAGE OR A COUPLE OF THOSE BUILDINGS WITH POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL ON UPPER FLOORS. 
          SO THE PREVIOUS PLAN HAD THREE STORY BUILDINGS AND THAT QUADRANTS, UH, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL IN THERE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I THINK MR. FIGHT WAS CLARIFYING THAT IT DIDN'T COMPLETELY SHIFT. 
          THERE WAS RESIDENTIAL AT THAT TIME AND, AND IN MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          UM, ALSO I JUST ABOUT THE STORM WATER FEATURE THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE, AND MAYBE THIS IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED AND SO FORTH, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE SECTION OF IT THE CITY STILL OWNS. 
          DO YOU SHARE IN THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENS OR I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION FOR BOTH OF YOU. 
          IF YOU FALL, UM, WHEN YOU STILL OWN A LITTLE BIT OF A PIECE OF MAYBE THAT STORM WATER AREA, DOES THAT BECOME, UM, THAT THE, THAT THE DEVELOPER THEN TAKES CARE OF ANY MAINTENANCE OF THAT AND SO FORTH? YEAH, THOSE, THOSE WILL HAVE TO BE DETERMINED. 
          UH, THERE'S NO AGREEMENT AT THIS POINT WITH THE CITY, SO THIS IS ONLY CONCEPTUAL AND, UH, IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME DECISIONS MADE WHETHER THE CITY IS WILLING TO, UH, CONVEY THAT COMPONENT AND WHAT THAT ENTAILS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO CAN YOU SHARE WITH US, UM, AND THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, I THINK THAT IS GREAT. 
          AND YOU MET WITH THEM THREE TIMES AND SO FORTH. 
          CAN YOU SHARE 
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WITH US HOW THOSE MEETINGS WENT AND SO FORTH? UM, WE THINK, UM, THEY WENT, THEY WENT WELL, WE THINK, I MEAN THEY, EVERYONE GAVE US THEIR OPINION. 
          WE'VE TRIED TO INCORPORATE SOME OF 'EM, CAN'T MAKE EVERY REQUEST GET, GET DONE, BUT SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THIS, SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT. 
          BUT I THINK IN GENERAL, UM, IT'S A WELCOME ADDITION TO WHAT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK, BIKE TO A SERVICE, GO HAVE A DINNER, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. 
          I THINK IN GENERAL, THAT WHOLE IDEA IS EVERYONE'S ON BOARD WITH WHETHER THE SETBACKS THE RIGHT DIMENSION OR SO ON AND SO FORTH. 
          I'M SURE YOU'LL HEAR, BUT IN GENERAL, I THINK IT WENT WELL. 
          MR. BRENDA? YEAH, JUST ONE. 
          SO COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE, UH, SIZE OF THE UNITS IN TERMS OF BEDROOMS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE AND UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS TOWARDS PRICE POINT OR WHAT SCALING YOU'D BE AT? UM, I CAN SPEAK TO IT IN GENERAL, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ISN'T TOTALLY NAILED DOWN TO THIS POINT. 
          BUT IT'S A MIX OF ONE, TWO, PROBABLY SOME THREE BEDROOMS IN HERE. 
          UM, THE, THE DEMOGRAPHIC THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR REALLY IN THIS LOCATION IS, UM, HIGHER END. 
          SO THE, THE PRICE POINTS ARE GONNA BE HIGH. 
          IT'S GONNA BE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT LIVE HERE FOR SIX MONTHS AND GO TO FLORIDA FOR SIX MONTHS, OR YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO WANT QUIET. 
          THIS IS GONNA BE A QUIET TYPE OF COMMUNITY. 
          UM, IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL APARTMENT STYLE POOL. 
          LOTS OF FUN ACTIVITIES, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO 1, 2, 3 BEDROOMS. THEY'RE PROBABLY, UM, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET UP, UP TO 1800 SQUARE FEET ON THE THREE BEDROOMS, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          A LOT OF THESE HAVE GARAGES, TWO CAR GARAGES THAT ARE ENCLOSED IN PART OF THE UNIT. 
          SO YOU DRIVE INTO YOUR OWN GARAGE. 
          IT'S BASICALLY A BIG HOUSE THAT YOU'VE TAKEN AND HOOKED TOGETHER. 
          AND THAT'S THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF IT IS IT BLENDS IN. 
          FROM A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT, IT WON'T LOOK LIKE AN APARTMENT BUILDING. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THOUGHT I HAD JUST WITH THE, UH, SOUTH POOL BEING THERE, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE COMMERCIAL USES TO DRAW, YOU KNOW, KIDS TEENS OVER FROM THE POOL DURING THE DAY PERIOD WHERE THEY'D BE, YOU KNOW, WALKING, CROSSING THOSE STREETS, GOING TO, LIKE WOULD THERE BE, IF YOU MENTIONED ICE CREAM SHOP, IF THERE'S AN ICE CREAM STORE OVER THERE AND THE THE FOUNTAIN HAS A HUNDRED KIDS PLAYING IN IT YES. 
          THEY'RE GONNA WALK OVER THERE, USE THE TUNNEL TO GO OVER THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA INTERACT AND SO SOME CONSIDERATION TO, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT WALK WOULD BE MADE THROUGH THERE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF KEEPING SAFETY FOR DRIVERS, PEDESTRIANS. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          CERTAINLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND STUDIED. 
          THANK YOU MR. DESLER. 
          PASS SOME QUESTION FOR YOU AS THIS IS JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UH, RELATIVE TO THE TRAFFIC PIECE. 
          I I AGREE. 
          I, BASED ON EVEN WHAT DAN SAID, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A COMPLETE NIGHTMARE HOW THIS IS SET UP. 
          IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE WE SHOULD REALLY COMMENT, NOT COMMENT ON IT NOW, AND THEN ALLOW FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO ADDRESS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS? IS THAT FAIR? YEAH, THE, THE TRAFFIC DETAIL, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FREE TO TALK ABOUT THE SITE LAYOUT AND THE NATURE OF THE STREETS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT THE SPECIFIC DETAILS IN TERMS OF UH, TRAFFIC COUNTS OR TRAFFIC, UH, UH, MODIFICATIONS OR INTERSECTION DETAILS, THOSE WILL ALL BE CAREFULLY STUDIED BEFORE YOU SEE IT NEXT TIME. 
          WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH C COMING OUT RIGHT ON AVERY, POTENTIALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT OUR TYPICAL STANDARD FOR, AND THEN, UM, THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT FORCES INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN ENTRE TO GO DOWN THE OTHER PUBLIC STREET WHERE THE POOL IS TO TAKE A LEFT. 
          I DUNNO, LOOK, I, I DON'T WANT TO GET IN. 
          I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. 
          UH, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SIGNIFICANT REEVALUATION OF THE IN AND OUT, NOT ONLY FOR PEDESTRIAN BUT ALSO FOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC. 
          I THINK THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN I WOULD IMAGINE. 
          HAVE TO IMAGINE THERE'S, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO PUT ANOTHER ROUND THE ROUNDABOUT SOMEWHERE IN THAT FORMER FASHION, UM, WHERE THAT A LEFT POINT IS, UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER HERE ASKED ABOUT LIKE THE, IS IT, ARE YOU PLANNING ON APARTMENTS OR ARE THESE GONNA BE CONDOS? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PLAN? UM, SO MR. BOGGS? YES. 
          COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT PARTICULAR ONE? YEAH, UH, I WOULD SAY THAT IN GENERAL, IF IT'S AS A LAND USE QUESTION, IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL, IT'S RESIDENTIAL REGARDLESS OF 
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THE OWNERSHIP AND TRANSFER OF FUNDS FOR THE OCCUPANTS. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS APARTMENT V CONDO VERSUS OWNER VERSUS LESSIE. 
          CORRECT. 
          CAN I OPINE ON THAT? , I'D RATHER YOU NOT AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER, YOU'RE CERTAINLY ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION THAT AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THAT IS NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW. 
          THAT'S JUST ONE QUESTION. 
          ARE ARE THERE ANY APARTMENTS IN BALANCE TRAY ALREADY? WELL, I I DIDN'T ASK THAT. 
          I WAS ASKING THE, ASKING THE APPLICANT, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY, THERE ARE NO APARTMENTS OKAY, FOR RENT AND, AND MY UNDERSTANDING YOU MEAN ANY CONDOS AND B AND BASED ON, AND BASED ON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS THAT THE, UM, YOU WANT IT TO BE, AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE ARCHITECTURE, YOU KNOW, SOME WITH THE HEAVY STONE AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S GONNA BE STUCCO OR WHATNOT, LOOKS AS IF IT'S UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE HOMES IN BALANCE TREE. 
          I WOULD HAVE TO IMAGINE THAT YOU'D WANT TO KEEP THE CHARACTERISTIC OF WHAT THAT BALL TREE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, ESPECIALLY BASED ON YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. 
          WOULD, AND THIS GOING BACK TO THE DRIVE THROUGH PIECE, UH, THAT JAMIE WAS MENTIONING, IS IT SOMETHING WHERE THERE WOULD BE, LIKE, ARE YOU THINKING LIKE, AND THIS GOES TO THIS TRAFFIC QUESTION, LIKE AN ADDITIONAL EXIT WHERE IT'S, OR ARE YOU THINKING THAT THE DRIVE THROUGH IS GONNA BE SOLELY INTERNAL WITH THE, THAT THE UNIT SIZE WHERE, WHERE THERE'S NO EXTERNAL LIKE ESCAPE ON AVERY OR WARNER TEMPLE. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE AN INTERNAL LOCATION ONLY WITH NO EXIT. 
          OKAY. 
          NO ADDITIONAL ACCESS TO AVERY OR WARNER TEMPLE. 
          SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THAT ONE STARBUCKS OVER IN PERIMETER, RIGHT. 
          WHERE YOU'RE NOT, I THINK IT'S BETTER ARTICULATED ON THE BUILDING. 
          IT'S TO THE SOUTHEAST WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH IS WHERE THAT F THING THAT KIND OF BEHIND THE BUILDING, WHICH IS THE GOAL ARCHITECTURALLY HERE WHERE ALL THE PARKING, ALL THE VEHICULAR STUFF, IT'S BEHIND THE BUILDING. 
          SO YOU DON'T SEE IT FROM AVERY ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY SIMILAR MAYBE AS A REFERENCE POINT. 
          UM, THE STARBUCKS OVER AT FOUR CORNERS. 
          RIGHT, OKAY. 
          SO THAT HAS A DRIVE THROUGH IT'S BRAND NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S VERY NICE. 
          I MEAN EVERYBODY LIKES IT HAS A DRIVE THROUGH, BUT IT'S PROPERLY DONE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S FAIR. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT MIXED USE VERTICAL SINCE OUR LAST DISCUSSION? WE CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT IT. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE, LIKE I SAID, THE BUILD I, WHEN I SAID WHEN YOU ASK SOMEONE ASK ARE THERE ANY MIXED USES IN THE, ON A CORNER? AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YES, WE'D LOVE TO DO IT AND IT NEEDS TO BE STUDIED. 
          IT'S MORE PROBABLY OFFICE RELATED ON TOP OF THE RETAIL THINGS. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT THE TYPICAL APPROACH TO THIS TYPE OF THING AND WE JUST NEED TO STUDY IT. 
          SO I HEAR YOU, WE HEAR YOU. 
          AND AS WE PROCEED DOWN THE PATH, WE GET MORE SPECIFIC, WE CAN SAY, OKAY, WE GOT 5,000 SQUARE FEET WE CAN PUT ON TOP OF THIS SPACE AND PARK IT. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING IS, IS IS THE PARKING. 
          SO WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT. 
          WE'RE NOT COMMITTED TO IT. 
          WE'RE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          HAVE YOU CONSIDERED OR IS IT FEASIBLE WITH WHAT YOU KNOW SO FAR TO SHIFT YOUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARCEL? TO SHIFT IT TO WHERE THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARCEL? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON HOW BIG IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, I'VE SEEN A PLAN FLOAT ACROSS MY DESK THAT SHOWS LIKE FOUR ACRES OF THE SITE. 
          SO YOU TAKE FOUR ACRES OF THE SITE AND THE OTHER EIGHT THAT'S OPEN SPACE AND RIGHT AWAY AND THERE'S NOTHING LEFT TO BUILD ON. 
          SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT IT SO IT'S EFFICIENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FINAL QUESTIONS, MR. WE YEAH, THIS WAS A QUESTION. 
          I DUNNO IF I BROUGHT IT UP AT THE LAST PRESENTATION, BUT, UM, YOUR RENDERINGS ARE VERY NICE AND THEY SHOW THIS IMAGE OF A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING WITH A DRIVEWAYS AND CARS AND GARAGES IN THEM. 
          AND I THINK IN BOTH OF THE RESIDENTIAL RENDERINGS, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH A LOT IS WHERE IS PARKING AND WHERE'S THE FRONT OF THE UNIT? RIGHT? AND WHEN PEOPLE DO RENDERINGS, THEY TEND TO DO RENDERINGS OF THE FRONT OF THE UNIT BECAUSE IT'S USUALLY THE MOST ATTRACTIVE. 
          SO I I WHAT I'M, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PLAN, I SEE YOUR SERVICE STREETS THAT HAVE GARAGES OFF OF THEM AND THEN THERE'S STREET 
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B THAT HAS UNITS ON THEM. 
          UM, WHAT'S YOUR THINKING ABOUT HOW THESE UNITS ARE ORIENTED? ARE THE, ARE THE GARAGES IN THE BACK AND THEN THERE'S A FRONT TO THE, TO THE BUILDINGS? OR IS THE, ARE THE GARAGES THE FRONT AND THE REST IS THE BACK ? UM, WHAT'S MY, MY THINKING IS THE GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE NO BACK. 
          SO THEY'RE BOTH GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S ALL FRONTS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO DO HERE. 
          THE RENDERING ACTUALLY SHOWS THE GARAGES ON THE RESIDENTIAL RENDERING THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET. 
          THAT'S THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A BACK. 
          SO WHEN AMAZON COMES, THEY'RE GONNA, IT LOOKS GREAT. 
          SO WHICH SIDE IS AMAZON GONNA DELIVER ON BACKS? THE CARS ARE TRYING TO BE BEHIND IT FROM A ACCESS PERSPECTIVE. 
          THE ARCHITECTURE'S TRYING TO NOT HAVE A BACK AND, AND I, THERE'S NOT A GOOD SIDE AND A BAD SIDE. 
          THERE'S TWO GOOD SIDES. 
          THAT'S A GREAT ANSWER BECAUSE I, I I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THE FRONTAGES ON THE, ON THESE STREETS TO BE BEAUTIFUL. 
          AND AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE LOOKING WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE FRONT AND YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT CARS AND GARAGES AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT. 
          THAT WORKS BEING INSENSITIVE TO ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          ALRIGHT, WE WILL CONCLUDE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION UNLESS I HAVE OBJECTIONS. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC TO, UM, COME UP AND COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. 
          WE DO ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME. 
          UH, JENNY, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY OTHER COMMENTS DURING THE COURSE OF THE MEETING? WE DID RECEIVE ONE AND I WAS UM, ABLE TO PUT THAT IN YOUR ONEDRIVE FOLDER FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AT THIS TIME IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM BEFORE THE COMMISSION DELIBERATES, WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          THE MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON, I SEE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE. 
          , WELCOME. 
          YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          NATHAN WILLIAMS, 57 50 AVERY ROAD. 
          SO I LIVE, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS IS THE FIR UH, THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME HERE. 
          UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN INVITED TO ANY DISCUSSION ON THE, UM, THE PROPERTY. 
          IT LOOKS GREAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, I DO LAMENT IN DUBLIN THAT THERE AREN'T VERY MANY AFFORDABLE, LIKE DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          UM, FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME, IT'S WHY I MOVED TO WHERE I, I DID AND, AND, UH, I FEEL LIKE THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD BE BETTER PLACED SOMEWHERE ELSE PERSONALLY. 
          UM, AND SORRY I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS. 
          UM, AND I DO LAMENT THAT WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT SHOPPING AND MIXED USE AND STUFF THAT WE HAVE, UM, T MALL, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          I I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S PART OF DUBLIN, BUT I DID APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND LIKE, I, I THINK WE COULD ENCOURAGE LIKE, GOOD SHOPPING THERE. 
          UM, I LIKE MIXED USE AND I LIKE, I I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE, PREFER THAT TO BE MORE OF THAT KIND OF STUFF RATHER THAN, UM, APARTMENTS OR, OR CONDOS. 
          AND I DO BELIEVE THAT I, I DON'T THINK I COULD AFFORD ONE OF THEM . 
          SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? WELCOME AND I DID NEGLECT TO SAY THERE IS A LITTLE, UH, TRY COLOR GREEN, YELLOW, RED TIMER UP THERE. 
          JUST TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF THE TIME AS WELL. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          SURE. 
          MY NAME IS TARA ROWE. 
          I'M AT 5 7 4 9 TRAFALGAR LANE. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN IN BALLANT TREE FOR 20 YEARS. 
          WE BUILT OUR FIRST HOUSE THERE AND ARE NOW ON OUR THIRD HOUSE IN BALLANT TREE. 
          WE CONSIDERED LIVING OUTSIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOKED AT OTHER LOCATIONS SEVERAL TIMES AND HAVE ALWAYS COME BACK TO RE WE GOT MARRIED AT THE GOLF CLUB DUBLIN. 
          IT'S A VERY WALKABLE, BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AND I FEEL LIKE THIS UM, JUST INTRODUCES A WHOLE DIFFERENT ELEMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT DOESN'T FEEL ALIGNED WITH THE BRAND OF ENTRE, WHICH IS VERY BEAUTIFUL, OPEN SPACES, PLACES FOR KIDS TO WALK. 
          UM, I'M VERY OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF A DRIVE THROUGH. 
          I HAVE TWO YOUNG KIDS AND I WOULD LOVE THE 
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CONVENIENCE OF A DRIVE THROUGH, BUT I THINK THAT'S CONTRADICTING WITH WHAT RE IS. 
          IT'S A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT INTRODUCES A WHOLE DIFFERENT DYNAMIC. 
          AND AS YOU MENTIONED WITH THE ROAD THAT'S COMING OUT, A LOT OF PEOPLE BIKE AND WALK ON THAT MAIN PATHWAY ON WARNER TEMPLE AND HAVING CARS COMING IN AND OUT WILL JUST INTERRUPT THAT FLOW. 
          UM, ALLOWING IT TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE SAFE AND FREE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THERE ARE NO APARTMENTS IN BALL ANDRE, SO I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO OFFER A DIFFERENT DYNAMIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS TO BE RETHOUGHT WITH THIS PLAN. 
          ALSO, I WANT TO SAY, I'M NOT SURE WHO IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH THE DEVELOPERS. 
          I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A COMMUNICATION COM, UH, PROBLEM WITHIN OUR OWN COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT. 
          UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF US ARE HEARING ABOUT THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME SO THAT THERE WERE MEETINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE ON OUR BEHALF SAYING THAT WE'RE ALL IN ALIGNMENT IS NOT TRUE. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. 
          THANK YOU MS. RO. 
          ANYONE ELSE WISH TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? THANK YOU. 
          I AM BEN NOBLE AT 5 8 9 2 BARRON'S COURT. 
          WAY. 
          I GOOD TO SEE SOME OF YOU GUYS AGAIN. 
          I SPOKE LAST TIME, BUT I WROTE NOTES THIS TIME SO HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE A LITTLE MORE COHERENT. 
          UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'D LIKE TO REITERATE MY POSITION AS BEING AGAINST THE LARGE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT BEING SAID, SINCE WE'RE STILL IN THE PLANNING STAGES, ALL MY COMMENTS ARE GONNA BE SORT OF UNDER THE, IF WE MUST BUILD WITH DUPLO, THESE WOULD BE MY OPINIONS. 
          UM, PREVIOUSLY THE GROUP SPOKE TO BEING IN GOOD STANDING WITH NEARBY NEIGHBORS WHO EXPRESSED INTEREST IN POTENTIALLY JOINING AND BECOMING A PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          INSINUATING IT MAY GROW AND GET CLOSER TO THAT COMMUNITY VISION THAT WAS PRESENTED. 
          UH, INSTEAD IT'S ACTUALLY GOTTEN SMALLER WITH R AND R LANDSCAPING NO LONGER BEING A PART OF IT. 
          SO THE BREADTH OF THE PROJECT IS NOW SMALLER THAN THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND HOW SMALLER. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS NEW PROPOSAL. 
          IT APPEARS TO BE ROUGHLY THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED ON EYEBALL ESTIMATES OF THE IMAGES, BUT PREVIOUSLY IT WAS 1 75 TO 200. 
          NOW THEY'RE SAYING A HUNDRED TO 125. 
          I'M WONDERING WHERE THOSE UNITS WENT. 
          ARE THE LINES DRAWN IN THE PROPOSAL? THE ACTUAL LIKE UNITS WITHIN EACH BUILDING IS THAT POTENTIALLY THEY HAVE SOME BIGGER UNITS MIXED IN. 
          IN THE APRIL MEETING, THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP ACKNOWLEDGED THAT NEARBY NEIGHBORS WERE AGAINST DRIVE UP OR DRIVE THROUGH BUSINESSES IN THE RETAIL AREAS AND IT WAS MORE OR LESS A NON-STARTER. 
          NOW IT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR UP TO TWO OF THEM, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT MOST OF THE COMMUNITY, THANKFULLY WE HAVE MORE HERE THAN WE DID LAST TIME. 
          UH, MOST OF THE COMMUNITY ARE STILL AGAINST DRIVE THROUGH BUSINESSES AND IT IS NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE SEVEN STARBUCKS WITHIN THREE MILES AND FIVE ICE CREAM SHOPS WITHIN 4.2 MILES. 
          NEITHER ONE OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE IN SERVICE OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          CHIPOTLE ALREADY HAS THE MOBILE ORDER PULL UP DRIVE THROUGH. 
          IT'S BEEN ON BROAD STREET ON THE WEST SIDE FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS NOW. 
          SO THERE'S NOT SOME NEW RAPIDLY CHANGING MARKET DYNAMIC TO WHERE THIS IS NEEDED NOW. 
          BUT IT WASN'T NEEDED IN THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL AND FRANKLY IT DOES NOT WORK VERY WELL. 
          'CAUSE ONE PERSON WILL ORDER SHOW UP TOO EARLY AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS STUCK IN LINE BEHIND THEM UNTIL THEY GET THEIR FOOD. 
          SO THAT'S JUST GONNA CREATE MORE CONGESTION AND MORE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA. 
          SO IN SUMMARY, THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS STRAYED VERY FAR FROM THE ORIGINAL COMMUNITY VISION FOR THE AVERY ROAD CORRIDOR AND I'M HERE TO IMPLORE YOU ALL TO GET US BACK TO THAT PROPOSAL IF IT MUST GO FORWARD. 
          THE PRIMARY CONCERNS FROM EVERY PUBLIC COMMENTER AS WELL AS EVERY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY WERE RELATED TO SETBACKS AND THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          AND I BROUGHT QUOTES. 
          I KNOW I ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES, I WON'T READ EVERY ONE OF THE COMMISSIONER'S QUOTES, BUT YOU ALL ASK QUESTIONS AND YOU ALL WANTED ONE TO TWO STORIES. 
          THREE, IF IT HAD TO BE HIDDEN WITHIN THE BACK FOR YOU NEW MEMBERS, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE QUOTES WITH YOU, BUT I THINK I HAVE MISSED CALLS, QUOTE AS A SUMMARY. 
          I LOVE THE LARGE HOME CONCEPT. 
          100 FOOT SETBACKS ALONG. 
          AVERY OFFERS AN OPEN VIEW CORRIDOR INTO THE BALANCE TRADE COMMUNITY AND PARK SPACE. 
          IF WE SHRINK THAT SETBACK, IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE. 
          WE'VE SHRUNK THAT SETBACK. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS BACK TO A QUOTE, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS PURPOSEFUL ONE TO TWO STORY, ONE TO TWO STORY. 
          SO IF WE COME BACK AND WE HAVE TWO STORY ACROSS THE BOARD, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CHALLENGES. 
          IT IS TWO STORY ACROSS THE BOARD WITH SOME THREE STORY. 
          THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE LISTENING TO THE COMMISSION AND INCLUDING YOUR GUYS' FEEDBACK. 
          LARGELY IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEING IGNORED AS WELL AS MOST OF US IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION DISCUSSIONS AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          ANYONE ELSE HERE WE WOULD INVITE YOU FORWARD. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          HI, I'M HILLARY JEFFERS AND I LIVE AT 66 50 REQUA PLACE. 
          UM, AND I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION WHILE 
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FIRST THANK YOU TO BEN FOR ALL OF THOSE SUMMARIZING, UM, QUESTIONS AND REITERATING WHAT THE POPULACE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, SENTIMENT IS. 
          I THINK THERE IS HAS BEEN A, A DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT PEOPLE WANT AND WHAT WAS PROPOSED TODAY. 
          UM, THE NEW QUESTION THAT I WANTED TO JUST OFFER WAS WITH THE RESIDENTIAL UM, DEVELOPMENT IS DOES THAT INCLUDE ANY IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL? I ASSUME THAT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THE WASHINGTON ELEMENTARY IS WHERE ALL OF THESE NEW RESIDENTS WOULD GO AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE BRINGING THAT MANY NEW, UM, RESIDENTS POTENTIALLY WITH FAMILIES AND THAT THERE IS NOT NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT, THAT QUESTION. 
          UH, THIS BODY COMMUNICATES WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS BY WAY OF STAFF, BY WAY OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, BUT THAT'S OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          UH, THE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDATION, THE SCHOOLS ARE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AND SO THEY ARE ABLE TO FORECAST THEIR GROWTH PROJECTIONS BASED ON THE ADOPTED PLANS OF THE CITIES THAT ARE ENCOMPASSED IN THEIR BOUNDARIES. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, HILLARD AND DUBLIN. 
          ANYTHING THAT PLANNING OR LEGAL STAFF WOULD LIKE TO ADD? ONE, ONE THING I WOULD JUST POINT OUT IS THAT THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A A PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION WAS WHERE IT WAS IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT. 
          AND SO WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT, UM, PROCESS HERE. 
          SO BEFORE THERE WOULD BE ANY ACTION BY THE COMMISSION AND THE COMMISSION KNOWS THIS. 
          SO THIS IS AS MUCH FOR HOPEFULLY THE, THE BENEFIT OF THE, UH, GALLERY AS WELL IS BEFORE THE COMMISSION WOULD TAKE ANY VOTE ON ANYTHING TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT TO MOVE FORWARD, THERE WOULD BE A LOT MORE INFORMATION PRESENTED. 
          AND PART OF THAT INFORMATION PRESENTED WOULD BE A DEVELOPMENT TEXT WHICH WOULD SET FORTH THE RULES FOR LAND USES AND, AND SETBACKS AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THIS APPLICATION. 
          SO, UM, WHILE CERTAINLY COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE DRIVE-THROUGHS, THE IDEA OF A, A USE THAT WOULD INCLUDE A DRIVE-THROUGH WAS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT WHETHER THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE CONDITIONAL. 
          SO WE'RE STILL AT VERY EARLY STAGE TO BE HASHING OUT THOSE ITEMS. THANK YOU MR. BOX. 
          ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? I  PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. 
          DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY? DO THIS COMMISSION? I DO, I DO. 
          I MEAN, MINE IS MORE OF A QUESTION THAN IT IS ANYTHING. 
          IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR, UH, MY NAME IS JOE ROCK. 
          I LIVE AT 57 34 HANIN PLACE AND MINE IS MORE OF A QUESTION FOR SOME UNDERSTANDING. 
          AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I SEE R ONE TF THREE DIFFERENT, UH, ZONING, UH, DESIGNATIONS. 
          IS WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE THAT THIS IS NOW BECOMING A MIXED ZONING? I'M, I'M, I'M THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION. 
          WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON HERE IN TERMS OF ZONING? SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS A RECOMMENDING BODY TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN PLANNING A PROPERTY ARE REZONING OR UNDER CONSIDERATION. 
          AND SO THAT IS NOT A DECISION THAT WE MAKE, BUT A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MAKE TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD, JUST LIKE MR. BOGGS MENTIONED, THERE WOULD REQUIRE A REZONE AND DEVELOPMENT TEXT TO BE ADOPTED. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WOULD BE AT A FUTURE PUBLIC STAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT R WHERE IT SHOWS R ONE THERE CURRENTLY, WHAT COULD GO IN THERE? SO THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL MS. ROUSH, DO YOU WANNA CLARIFY WHAT THE TECH FLEX AND THE R ONE ZONING CURRENT CONSTITUTE? YEAH, SO THE CURRENT ZONING, SO THE R ONE WOULD BE A, LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE PERMITTED, IT WOULD MEET THE BALANCE TRAY. 
          IT WOULD BE SIMILAR, YES. 
          I'M GUESSING WOULD WOULD BE SIMILAR TO PORTIONS OF BALANCE TRAY. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE TF? DID YOU WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING ABOUT THE R ONE OR NO? OKAY. 
          UM, THE TECH FLEX IS MORE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT USES, SO THAT WOULD BE, WHICH IS COMPARABLE TO WHAT IS LOCATED SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          SO IF THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY UNDER THOSE TWO CURRENT ZONING DISTRICTS, THEY COULD, WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY'RE MAKING AS MR. BOGG STATED, THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO REZONE AS PART OF A FUTURE APPLICATION TO BECOME THEN A MIXED 
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USE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT AS PART OF THAT WOULD ESTABLISH THE NEW ZONING STANDARDS. 
          BUT THIS PROJECT COULD NOT GO FORWARD WITHOUT ALL THAT BEING RE CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE TO REZONE IN ORDER TO THAT TO DO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. 
          THAT'S, YES. 
          UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN JUST ONE MORE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN IN THIS BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE COVERED THUS FAR. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE ZONING IS WHAT IS LEGALLY PERMITTED ON THE SITE AND THE PROCESS RELATED TO THAT. 
          THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS WHAT WE WOULD LOOK TO IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE. 
          SO WHEN AN APPLICATION COMES BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WE WOULD LOOK TO THAT COMMUNITY PLAN DOCUMENT THAT WE JUST ADOPTED HERE ABOUT A MONTH AGO AFTER ALMOST A TWO YEAR PROCESS TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S, WHAT DOES THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THAT LOOK LIKE? AND WE STUDIED THAT, UM, IN GREAT DETAIL. 
          SO THE COMMISSION IS AND COUNCIL ARE CHARGED WITH REFERRING TO THAT COMMUNITY PLAN DOCUMENT TO HELP GUIDE THAT, THAT DECISION AND DETERMINATION FOR THE ZONING. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I JUST DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH, GREAT QUESTIONS ACTUALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN DO YOU WANNA TALK SPECIFICALLY THE COMMUNITY PLAN IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA? YEAH, SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE THAT MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. 
          SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS, WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED IS DOES THAT PROPOSAL MEET WHAT THAT FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION IS? AND THEN THAT'S WHAT MR. BOGGS WAS SAYING. 
          SO EVENTUALLY THAT GETS TO VERY FINE DETAIL AND BECOMES THIS DEVELOPMENT TEXT, WHICH IS THEN THE ZONING OF THE LAW ESSENTIALLY. 
          AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THAT AS, AS THIS FURTHER DEVELOPS. 
          UH, GOOD. 
          MAY I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? , UH, YOU HAD, UH, MADAM CHAIRMAN, YOU HAD ASKED ONCE ABOUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED MIXED USE VERTICAL, WAS THE QUESTION. 
          WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UH, SO SO MIXED USE IS THE MIXTURE OF USES? YEAH, THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS TO INCORPORATE MIXED USE. 
          ONE IS A PARCEL AND YOU HAVE ONE SEGMENT THAT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL AND A DIFFERENT SE SEGMENT. 
          THAT'S ALL COMMERCIAL UHHUH , SO THAT'S HORIZONTAL MIXED USE, VERTICAL MIXED USE WOULD BE COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR AND RESIDENTIAL ABOVE. 
          OKAY. 
          SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING? MY NAME'S KURT SMITH. 
          I'M 66 92 ROUNDSTONE LOOP IN THE BALANCE TRAY SUBDIVISION. 
          UM, I'VE LIVED THERE 10 YEARS AND, UH, I LIVE IN A MULTI-UNIT, UM, DEVELOPMENT. 
          I LIVE IN THE, IN, UH, ONE OF THE CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPMENTS IN THE BALANCE TREE AREA. 
          UM, I ALSO HAVE BEEN A PART OF, UH, SOME, SOME INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WERE INVITED TO COME AND, AND REVIEW THESE PLANS AND TO DIALOGUE WITH THE DEVELOPERS. 
          UM, GENERALLY, PERSONALLY, I AM NOT A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY IN, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IN, IN THIS FORUM. 
          AND, UH, BUT GENERALLY, PERSONALLY I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF THE PLANS. 
          I APPRECIATED, UM, WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT THIS BEING CRAYONS, UM, THAT REALLY HELPED ME TO UNDER TO, TO SEE WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. 
          AND WHAT I DO KNOW ABOUT THE MEETINGS THAT, THAT I'VE BEEN A PART OF IS THAT WE'VE, UH, WE WE'RE, THERE'S A DEVELOPER THAT'S INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THAT CORNER AND I'VE BEEN INTERESTED IN WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE EVER SINCE I SAW THE GREEN SIGN THAT WENT UP THAT SAID AVAILABLE, BECAUSE I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE. 
          I DROVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT THE OTHER NIGHT AND I SAW THE SECURITY LIGHTS HIGHLIGHTING ALL OF THE DRILLING EQUIPMENT THAT'S JUST TO THE SOUTH OF, UH, WARNER TEMPLE ROAD. 
          AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, GOSH, WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO SEE SOMETHING VERY ORGANIZED AND NICE IN THAT CORNER? AND I'M HOPING THAT IN THIS CRAYON PROCESS WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MAKES US AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, HAPPY AND COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT ALSO SERVES THE, THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY OF DUBLIN. 
          YOU WE'RE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB OF CREATING SPACES THAT ARE, UM, FOR, FOR PEOPLE OF MY AGE THAT ARE COMFORTABLE, UM, TO LIVE IN, BUT ALSO FOR FOLKS THAT I KNOW ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WORK-LIFE BALANCE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, AREAS THAT ARE, THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE FOLKS. 
          AND I THINK THAT THIS COULD, IF DONE RIGHT, UM, BE IN, UH, BE AN, BE AN AREA THAT, THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO BOTH OF THOSE USES. 
          UM, WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE, THE DEVELOPER IN IN MY CONVERSATION, UM, HAS BEEN VERY OPEN AND LISTENING AND INTERESTED IN, UH, DEVELOPING SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS HOW THOSE, 
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THE, THE MEMBERS OF THAT, OF THE, THAT GROUP WERE, WERE SELECTED. 
          I WASN'T A PART OF THAT. 
          I JUST KNOW THAT I'VE, I, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO, UH, TO BE A PART OF THAT. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE ONE THING THAT I SAW TONIGHT THAT WAS DIFFERENT, UM, WAS THAT THE, THE ADDITION OF THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT ONTO AVERY ROAD, IF THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT, I THINK THAT WOULD DO AN AWFUL LOT TO HELP TO ALLEVIATE WHAT THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT, ABOUT TRAFFIC ON WARNER TEMPLE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY, A VERY POSITIVE THING. 
          UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PIECE THAT, THAT I KNOW HAS BEEN A PART OF DISCUSSION IS THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          AND, UM, MY WORST FEAR WHEN I SAW THAT SIGN GO UP WAS THAT WE'D SEE A BUNCH OF GARAGES GO UP THERE AND WE'D SEE TRANSIENT HEATING AND COOLING COMPANIES AND PLUMBING COMPANIES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT CAN GO IN SOME OF THOSE TECH FLEX AREAS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I VERY MUCH WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS GONNA BE A PART OF THE, UH, OF, OF WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE THE GATEWAY TO BALANCE RATE. 
          I'M PROUD OF THAT COMMUNITY. 
          I LOVE THAT COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I DRIVE IN WARNER TEMPLE ROAD AND AFTER 10 YEARS I STILL PINCH MYSELF AND SAY, I CAN'T BELIEVE I LIVE HERE. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME THAT THE, THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS TAKEN IN, UH, HEARING WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          AND I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE CONTINUING THE CRAYON PROCESS. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. 
          ANYONE ELSE? HI, MY NAME IS TERRY BEVILACQUA. 
          I'M AT 59 23 BARRON'S COURT WAY AND POST-COLLEGE. 
          I'VE LIVED IN A DOZEN DIFFERENT CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND ABROAD. 
          AND, UM, I'VE BEEN IN CONDO SITUATIONS AND I JUST AM REALLY, UM, WORRIED ABOUT THE DENSITY IF EIGHT ACRES ARE GOING TO THE GREEN SPACE AND WHATNOT, THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND THAT'S A LOT OF CARS. 
          AND I JUST THINK IT'S TOO MUCH DENSITY. 
          IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH BALL. 
          ANDRE. 
          I WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT IN BALL ANDRE IF I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE THAT DENSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU, MS. AND, UH, I APOLOGIZE. 
          OPPA, IS THAT EVELYN? THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH, WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND TURN TO DELIBERATION FOR THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, AS MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS ITEM, THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN AND REVIEW, UH, FOR FEEDBACK. 
          STAFF HAS BEEN PINED ENOUGH TO PREPARE THREE STANDARD DIS DISCUSSION QUESTIONS ALONG WITH A FOURTH. 
          THAT IS ANYTHING ELSE THE COMMISSION CAN, UM, NEEDS TO DISCUSS. 
          SO, UH, MR. MR. DESLER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START US OFF? SURE. 
          I'M LOOKING DOWN THE LIST. 
          UM, FOR NUMBER ONE, I, IN MY OPINION, IT SHOULD NOT BE A WHOLLY RESIDENTIAL. 
          I THINK IT YIELDS BETTER FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT, BUT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF SOME KIND OF MIXED USE WITH RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, AND I'M NOT SURE ON THE HEIGHT ASPECT AS WELL. 
          SO I'M GONNA SKIP DOWN TO THREE HERE. 
          I THINK THAT IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO HAVE SOME OF THE FRONTAGE ON AVERY AND WARNER TO BE SINGLE STORY. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE KIND OF THAT VACANT SPACE UP TOP FROM A CHARACTERISTIC STANDPOINT. 
          I THINK YOU COULD INCORPORATE THAT IN, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE JUST CONSISTENT TWO STORY. 
          I THINK THAT TAKES AWAY, AND EVEN SOME OF THE PHOTOS THAT YOU PUT IN IT, IT DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE, UM, ALL CONSISTENTLY TWO STORY IN THAT ASPECT. 
          UH, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THE, THE TRAFFIC STUFF AND I ALREADY MENTIONED IT, UH, EARLIER. 
          I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING IN THAT AREA. 
          AND I THINK THIS BASED ON, UM, BLANKED ON THE, UM, COMMUNITY PLAN THAT THIS IS NOW GONNA BE POTENTIALLY ALTERED FROM A, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOW FROM MORE OF A MIXED USE. 
          AND THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          I THINK THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE SOME FINE TUNING ON SOME OF THE DESIGN ASPECTS. 
          UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED, IT JUST SEEMS JUST 
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THAT ALL THE RESIDENTIAL, IT APPEARS SOMEWHAT DENSE. 
          I WOULD BE MORE FAVORABLE TO MORE OF THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          UM, I KNOW WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY, DOESN'T NOT, BUT FROM AN OPINION STANDPOINT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE AREA WOULD FIT, UH, YOU KNOW, MULTI-USE A APARTMENT TYPE COMPLEX. 
          I THINK IT'D BE MORE AKIN TO SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, MULTI-USE CONDO AND SINGLE FAMILY TYPE POTENTIAL TOWNHOUSES THAT COULD BE MAYBE INCORPORATED IN THAT AREA. 
          UH, SO LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE THAT IS CURRENTLY LOCATED WITHIN RE AND THEN AGAIN, I'LL DEFER ON THE OTHER STUFF RELATIVE TO THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH PIECE. 
          I, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'RE, THAT'S DOWN THE LINE, SO I'M GOOD. 
          THANKS. 
          I THANK YOU MR. DASHER. 
          MR. GARTMAN. 
          UH, WELL, I, I'LL ADDRESS THE DRIVE-THROUGHS IN THE FIRST QUESTION THERE. 
          UM, I'M, I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH USE, ESPECIALLY WITH IT BEING SO OPEN-ENDED ON, UH, WHAT COULD GO IN THERE. 
          UM, I HAVE A HARD TIME VISUALIZING A DRIVE-THROUGH OPTION THAT I THINK WOULD WORK IN INCLUDING THE EXAMPLES PROVIDED. 
          UM, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE LARGE HOUSE STYLE, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY MY ISSUE WITH THE DRIVE-THROUGHS. 
          I DON'T SEE A WAY THAT THAT WORKS INTO THE FEEL OF, UH, KIND OF AN OVERSCALED, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, A SINGLE FAMILY LOOKING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S KIND OF SUPER SIZED. 
          AND THEN, UH, I THINK THE, THE COMMERCIAL USE IS PRETTY DELICATE THERE. 
          UM, AND I, AS I SAY, I DON'T THINK A DRIVE THROUGH WOULD WORK. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE SITE LAYOUT, I'M GONNA TIE THAT INTO THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ALONG WERNER TEMPLE. 
          I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A PREFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, HOLY RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED JUICE ON WARNER TEMPLE, BUT I THINK IF IT IS RESIDENTIAL, IT BECOMES FAR MORE IMPORTANT TO HONOR THAT, UH, SETBACK RECOMMENDATION. 
          I THINK THAT, UH, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL USE SO CLOSE TO THE WERNER TEMPLE AS A ROAD, UH, WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT JARRING IF IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT MIXED USE KIND OF, UM, THE FEEL OF MIXED USE. 
          I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SET FURTHER BACK AND, AND LOOK MORE RESIDENTIAL IN THAT CASE. 
          UM, AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE PROPOSED HEIGHT AND CHARACTER. 
          UM, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE EARLIER DISCUSSIONS. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE COMMISSIONERS HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY PUSHED FOR A TWO STORY CAP THERE. 
          I THINK THAT IN THAT LARGE HOME DESIGN WHERE THERE'S, UH, A THIRD STORY IN THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING, IN MY OPINION THAT WORKS. 
          UM, I DON'T LIKE THE C TWO UNITS THAT ARE GRANTED, THEY'RE IN THE BACK OF THAT PROPOSED LAYOUT. 
          I DON'T LIKE THEM BEING THREE STORIES. 
          UM, AND I ALSO THINKING WE, WE NEED TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, IF THOSE PROPERTIES DIRECTLY SOUTH OF, OF THE BORDERS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, WERE TO CHANGE. 
          AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, BY THE STUB ON I THINK ROAD D THAT WE SAW THAT THAT IS PROBABLY THE EXPECTATION. 
          UM, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THESE KIND OF THREE STORY RESIDENTIAL JUST FROM THE VISUAL ASPECT. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE 'EM KIND OF HIDDEN BACK THERE ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE FRONTING WHATEVER THAT DEVELOPMENT IS. 
          AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT JUST LENDS ITSELF TOWARDS MORE THREE STORY DEVELOPMENT, MORE DENSITY. 
          UM, AND I'VE AGREED WITH SOME OF THE SENTIMENT OF OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT, UH, THE DENSITY STILL SEEMS HIGH. 
          I I RECOGNIZE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONE FROM MAYBE 200 DOWN TO 1 75 POTENTIALLY. 
          BUT, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE HEAVY RESIDENTIAL USE RELATIVE TO THE DENSITY OF, OF A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          NOT OF COURSE, THAT CONDO SECTION THAT'S KIND OF IN THE ENTRANCE WAY, UH, JUST BEYOND WHERE THIS WOULD BE PASSED THE POOL. 
          SO, UM, THOSE ARE MY MAIN, UH, CONCERNS WITH IT. 
          UM, OVERALL, I THINK AS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, I DO REALLY, UH, LIKE THE ATTENTION YOU GUYS HAVE PUT INTO THE MATERIALS BEING USED INTO THE CONSISTENCY WITH, UH, THE OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND. 
          UM, I THINK IT'LL BE IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE MATERIALS AREN'T JUST, UH, VISUALLY SIMILAR BUT, BUT ARE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR AS WELL. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. VIN. 
          MR. CHINOOK. 
          SORRY, I WASN'T READY. 
          UM, I GUESS GENERALLY IN THE, LOOK AT THE FIRST QUESTION, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE REGRESSED A LITTLE BIT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU FROM THE PREVIOUS PLAN. 
          I THINK THERE'S A NICE, WE WERE GOING DOWN THE PATH OF A VERY NICE SCALE, AND 
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I'M KIND OF REVIEWING THIS AND SCRATCHING MY HEAD TO UNDERSTAND WHY. 
          AND I THINK IT'S HAS TO DO WITH A LOT OF THE ARTICULATION THAT WAS IN THE COMMERCIAL SPACES AND THE INITIAL PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED. 
          THIS HAS A MUCH MORE STRIP CENTER FEEL, WHICH I HATE TO USE THAT WORD, BUT IT JUST, WE'VE LOST A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, UM, SCALE. 
          AND I THINK IT'S, UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO GET INTO MORE DETAILS OF IT, BUT THERE'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT'S LACKING. 
          WE'VE LOST A LITTLE BIT OF THE, THE, UH, WALKABILITY OF THE SITE. 
          I REALLY LIKED HAVING THAT CENTRAL WALKWAY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF MEANDERING OF THAT PATH, AND IT JUST FELT A LITTLE BIT MORE WALKABLE THE PRIOR, UM, SUBMISSION. 
          I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC FLOW, WHICH I, I KNOW WE'LL, WE WILL ADDRESS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, GET BACK TO THAT SCALABILITY A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND I KNOW WE, WE TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY PLAN OF BEING, YOU KNOW, ONE TO THREE STORIES, BUT THERE'S A CAVEAT IN THERE THAT SAYS RESIDENTIALLY SCALED. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT THREE STORIES MAKES SENSE. 
          I FEEL LIKE ALL THE COMMUNITY, THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY TO TRULY FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY, UH, UH, TWO STORY SEEMS TO BE PROBABLY THE HIGHEST WE WANT TO GO, UM, TO FIT. 
          BUT I, I DO APPRECIATE THE, THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          OBVIOUSLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FOUR-SIDED BUILDINGS AND THEN THE NICE MATERIALS, I THINK WE'RE HEADING DOWN THE PATH OF MAKING IT FIT FROM A ARCHITECTURE MATERIAL STANDPOINT. 
          BUT WE REALLY, I, I, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO GET BACK AND, AND, AND KIND OF RETHINK THE SCALE OF THESE BUILDINGS. 
          WE'VE CREATED THESE LARGER BUILDINGS NOW, AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WHEN YOU COMPARE THE TWO, UM, LIKE I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF MAYBE TAKEN A FEW STEPS IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. 
          UM, SO I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO KIND OF RETHINK ABOUT, UH, RETHINK THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          AGAIN, GETTING BACK TO THE WHOLE REALLY MAKING IT FEEL WALKABLE AND, AND I AM VERY OPPOSED TO DRIVE THROUGH HERE. 
          UM, I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LACK OF DETAIL WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING CARS CUTTING IN FRONT OF BUILDINGS WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND STUFF, JUST, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GREAT SCENARIO AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S, UH, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T FEEL REAL APPROPRIATE HERE, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK, MS. HARDER, THANKS AGAIN FOR BEING HERE. 
          I APPRECIATE ALL THE NEIGHBORS COMING OUT TOO. 
          UH, IT HELPS US, UM, IMMENSELY TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY. 
          UM, I AM, UH, NOT IN FAVOR OF THE DRIVE-THROUGHS. 
          I THINK WE TALK ABOUT WALKABILITY, UH, ALL THE TIME IN DUBLIN. 
          AND, UH, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO CONNECT AND BE TOGETHER AND MORE OF THAT, THAT YOU CAN DO. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD MOVE US IN THE RIGHT, UM, DIRECTION. 
          UM, THE SETBACKS ARE IMPORTANT. 
          WE GOTTA WATCH WHAT THAT, THE TR TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE IMPORTANT TO HEAR HOW THAT, UH, WHAT COMES OUT OF THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST, UM, WHAT'S THE CHARACTER? I THINK WE STAY AT THIS TWO STORIES. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, KIND OF GIVES IT THAT, UH, FEEL THAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, I THINK ALSO JUST, AND I AGREE WITH MY OTHER COLLEAGUES HERE, UM, JUST ABOUT, UH, THEIR THOUGHTS. 
          BUT, UM, KEEPING WITH THE, THE CONNECTION OF THE BEAUTY IN THE AREA, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK OF THINKING ABOUT WITH THE STONE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT BALLANT TRAY BRINGS TO THAT AREA. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE ALSO MOUNT MOUNTING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE VERY ROBUST BUSINESS AROUND THE CORNER FROM THERE, UH, KEEPING THAT, THAT RURAL CHARACTER THERE. 
          UM, AND, UH, I, I DID LIKE HOW THE GARAGES WERE CONNECTING AND KIND OF GIVING THAT, UM, SPACE OF THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER MR. WAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND ALSO ECHO, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. 
          UM, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR OPINIONS AND YOUR VOICES AS WE DELIBERATE THESE CASES. 
          SO EXTREMELY HELPFUL. 
          AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, AS IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE APPLICANT FOR DELIVER DELIVERING OR PRESENTING TO US A VERY STRONG VISION FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, THIS IDEA OF THE IRISH VILLAGE AND FITTING INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT YOU'RE IN. 
          UM, I THINK THAT CONCEPT FITS VERY WELL WITH THE, THE NEW COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE DESIGNATION OF THIS SITE IS MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I THINK THIS IS KIND OF THE MODEL OF WHAT A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD BE, THAT MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE LIVING, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF WORKING AND ALSO PLAYING RECREATING IN A VERY CLOSE KNIT, WALKABLE AREA. 
          UM, I, I THINK SOMEBODY SAID THIS IS A GATEWAY TO BALANCER, AND I THINK CREATING SOMETHING THERE THAT'S REALLY UNIQUE AND REALLY DOES SET THE TONE FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          I THINK THE, THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE USES ON THE SITE, I THINK YOU HAVE VARIED FROM THE LAST PLAN. 
          THERE'S BEEN A REDUCTION IN, IN PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, ORIENTING THE COMMERCIAL USES TO WARNER TEMPLE AND AVERY ABSOLUTELY MAKES SENSE. 
          I TOTALLY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF 
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SOME VERTICAL MIXED USE, UM, SPECIFICALLY IN THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          I'M NOT SURE IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THE MIXED USE OUT ON AVERY. 
          UM, AND I THINK THE, THAT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO, UM, THE SETBACK FROM BOTH OF THOSE ROADS, THE NEW COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, SETS SOME STANDARDS FOR THAT. 
          THE A HUNDRED TO 200 FEET AS WAS PRESENTED. 
          AND WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE A VILLAGE ATMOSPHERE, AND IT'S THE SCALE AND THE CHARACTER, I THINK IT'S IN THE DESIGN. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S ALSO SOME OLDER LANGUAGE OR SOME PREVIOUS DOCUMENTS THAT TALKED ABOUT A 50 FOOT SETBACK. 
          SO I THINK AS THE APPLICANT WORKS ON THE EDGES OF WARNER TEMPLE AND AVERY, UM, I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT ENVIRONMENT'S LIKE, WHAT'S THE FEEL FOR IT, WHAT'S THE URBAN DESIGN PART OF IT, WHAT'S THE EXPERIENCE PART? HOW ARE WE GONNA ACTIVATE THAT AND MAKE IT FEEL LIKE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS REACHING OUT AND BECOMING PART OF THE COMMUNITY? SO, BUT AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO GRASP WITH AS A, AS A COMMISSION, BECAUSE THAT'S VARYING FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          THESE ARE THESE LARGER SETBACKS. 
          AND SO, UM, IF WE CAN ARTICULATE THOSE SETBACKS IN A, IN A DIMENSION THAT'S LESS THAN THE PLAN RECOMMENDS, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE FABULOUS, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AN IRISH VILLAGE DOESN'T HAVE A LARGE PARKING LOT IN IT USUALLY. 
          UM, IT, THEY TENDS TO BE VERY WALKABLE AND CARS AREN'T DOMINANT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT VARIES FROM THAT CHARACTER OF THE IRISH VILLAGE. 
          BUT I THINK THE DETAILS OF HOW THE INTERNAL STREETS WORK AND HOW THE, THE BUILDINGS RELATE TO THOSE STREETS AND CREATE FRONTAGES AND CREATE ACTIVITY IS REALLY, REALLY CRITICAL TO ACHIEVING THAT VISION OF THE IRISH VILLAGE. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE, THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THEIR FRONTS? LIKE, WHAT IS THEIR FRONT DOORS? HOW DO THEY ADDRESS STREETS, NOT PARKING LOTS NECESSARILY, UM, AND HOW DO THEY RELATE TO THE, THE COMMERCIAL? SO I, I THINK, AGAIN, I I'M TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. 
          I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL MOSTLY ON THE RIGHT TRACK. 
          THERE WERE ELEMENTS OF THE LAST PLAN THAT I APPRECIATED THAT MAYBE YOU'VE LOST A LITTLE BIT. 
          BUT I THINK THERE'S, WE CAN MAKE UP SOME OF THAT GROUND. 
          AND, UH, SO I THINK, AGAIN, I SUPPORT THIS, I DO NOT, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT DEFINITIVELY, BUT THIS COMMISSION HAS REALLY STRUGGLED WITH DRIVE-THROUGHS. 
          AND WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE PROPOSED THOSE. 
          WE'VE ALSO SEEN SOME EXISTING DRIVE-THROUGHS THAT HAVE FAILED BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T DESIGNED PROPERLY AND THEY COULDN'T HANDLE THE TRAFFIC. 
          AND SO YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONVINCE ME IN A VERY STRONG WAY THAT A DRIVE-THROUGH IN THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL WORK AND FUNCTION AND WON'T CAUSE A TRAFFIC MESS. 
          SO, UM, IT'S NOT THAT I SAY I WON'T SUPPORT 'EM, BUT HIGHLY LIKELY YOU'VE GOTTA PROVE TO US THAT, THAT THEY CAN FUNCTION AND THEY CAN WORK, AND THEN THEY CAN BE AN ATTRACTIVE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND WITH THAT, I THINK I'M GONNA PAUSE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAY, MR. ALEXANDER. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO, I, I, I'M GONNA START WITH NUMBER TWO. 
          I GENERALLY SUPPORT THE PLAN AND THE SITE LAYOUT. 
          I THINK PUTTING MULTIFAMILY IN THE LOCATION YOU HAVE, IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE LOGICAL PLACE TO PUT IT. 
          AND PUTTING THE COMMERCIAL OUT ON THE BUSY STREETS IS ALSO THE PLACE TO PUT THAT. 
          THERE'S ALSO A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER. 
          SO I DON'T THINK FROM, IN TERMS OF NOT TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, BUT IN TERMS OF AESTHETIC, I DON'T THINK THIS WILL HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS IN TERMS OF THE AESTHETIC ON BALANCE TRADE BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT BUFFER. 
          UM, SO I THINK FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW, YOUR, YOUR, UM, LAYOUT IS VERY LOGICAL. 
          I ALSO THINK IT WAS IDENTIFIED, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE SURVEY FOR ENVISION DUBLIN IS THAT EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WAS, WHO PARTICIPATED, SEEMED TO FEEL THERE WAS A NEED FOR MORE ALTERNATIVE HOUSING TYPES TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THAT'S IDENTIFIED HERE. 
          IT'S IDENTIFIED THROUGHOUT CENTRAL OHIO, AND IT'S EVEN SEEN AS A NATIONAL PROBLEM. 
          SO I, I THINK THE PROJECT HAS REAL MERIT IN SOLVING THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE SETBACK VARIATION AS WELL, BUT I WANNA SEE THE DETAILS BECAUSE THE COMMERCIAL NEEDS VISIBILITY, AND WE'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES WITH THE, THE MUIR FIELD, THE DEVELOPMENT THERE, AND HOW BUFFERS AND HOW BURNS AND LARGE SETBACKS WERE ESTABLISHED IN THAT COMMUNITY. 
          BUT THERE'S NO VISIBILITY FOR THE COMMERCIAL. 
          SO, BUT, BUT I THINK KIM'S COMMENTS ABOUT HOW YOU DEVELOP THAT FRONTAGE IS GONNA BE CRITICAL TO THE DEGREE OF SUPPORT THAT I, THAT I WOULD HAVE WITH THAT. 
          THE, UM, THE DRIVE THROUGH. 
          I, I THINK THAT AND THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, IF OUR ENGINEERING STAFF SAYS THEY'LL WORK, THEN I'LL DEFER TO THEM. 
          UM, BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN ON THIS BOARD AS LONG AS THE MEMBERS TO MY RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, 
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, I ALSO MAY DEFER TO THEIR JUDGMENT ON THAT. 
          UM, YOU'VE, YOU'VE DIVIDED THE, I I I, I ASKED THAT EARLIER QUESTION BECAUSE FOR ME, THERE'S A CLEAR CHANGE IN THE WAY YOU LAID OUT THE SITE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ALMOST HAVE TWO DEVELOPMENTS. 
          AND THAT'S ALSO WHY I ASK ABOUT WHAT THE MIXED USES ARE. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THE MIDDLE ROAD THAT RUNS NORTH SOUTH IS SEPARATING THE RESIDENTIAL FROM THE COMMERCIAL. 
          AND I CAN UNDERSTAND FROM A DEVELOPMENT POINT OF VIEW, FROM THE COMPLEXITY OF BUILDING TYPES, WHY ONE MIGHT DO THAT. 
          BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF THERE WAS SOME RESIDENTIAL OVER THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OUT FRONT, BECAUSE ONE, IT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPE THAN YOU WOULD HAVE BACK ON THAT SIDE. 
          ALSO, YOU'D BEGIN TO LINK THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND YOU'D HAVE MORE WALKABILITY. 
          THERE MIGHT BE JOINT USE OF THAT PARKING LOT. 
          SO, SUCH A HUGE LOT COULD BE USED FOR, I THINK, COULD SUPPORT MULTIPLE FUNCTIONS. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT AND CHARACTER, I LIKED THE, I LIKED THE BIG HOUSE CONCEPT AND, AND THEIR APPROACH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE, THE COMMENTS I MADE ABOUT THE EARLIER PROJECT WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO ARTICULATE FOR GOOD REASON. 
          EVERY UNIT, YOU'RE TRYING TO HIDE THE NUMBER OF UNITS BY MAKING SOMETHING OF THE SCALE OF THE HOMES IN BALANCE RATE, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY APPROPRIATE HERE. 
          I THINK THE EARLIER APPROACH THAT WE SAW IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN THIS SETTING. 
          SO, SO I, I, I LIKED THAT IDEA. 
          THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS AND WE'LL SEE WHAT YOU COME BACK WITH. 
          I LIKE THE DETACHED GARAGES THAT WERE ON THE, UM, SOUTH PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY WILL SERVE TO BUFFER YOUR BIGGEST MASS BACK THERE, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ON THAT OTHER SIDE, BUT IT WON'T BE SO IMPOSING, UM, AS A, AS A THREE STORY STRUCTURE THAT HAD NO BUFFER. 
          SO THEY'LL BREAK THE SCALE DOWN THE THIRD STORY IF IT WAS WITHIN A PITCHED ROOF. 
          SO THE STRUCTURES WERE ESSENTIALLY TWO AND A HALF STORY. 
          I, I THINK COULD, COULD WORK, BECAUSE IF THIS IS AN IRISH VILLAGE, YOU PROBABLY WANT STEEPER ROOF PITCHES JUST BECAUSE OF THE VERNACULAR IN THAT KIND OF CLIMATE. 
          SO FOR ME, THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO GET THE THIRD STORY, HIDE IT. 
          BUT MANY OF THE HOMES AND BALANCE RATE HAVE VERY STEEP ROOF PITCHES AS WELL, SO YOU COULD LINK WITH THE ARCHITECTURE THAT'S THERE. 
          UM, SO YEAH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER. 
          UH, I'M GOING TO START WITH HIS END COMMENTS AND KIND OF GO BACK UP THE CHAIN. 
          I ALSO AM, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF THE BIG HOUSE CONCEPT. 
          I THINK IT'S A, A GOOD PROJECT. 
          I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. 
          UH, AS YOU KNOW, CITY OF DUBLIN HOUSING DOESN'T SIT LONG, AND SO IT'S NOT HARD TO MAKE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS WORK. 
          I AM SENSITIVE, AND AS WE PROCEED FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT WILL CONTINUE TO BE SENSITIVE TO HOW THIS IS MIXED USE. 
          IF THIS IS MIXED USE ON A PARCEL AND HALF OF IT'S COMMERCIAL AND HALF OF IT'S RESIDENTIAL, THAT THAT IS LIKELY GOING TO, UH, MAKE ME UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE, WELL, YOU SPLIT IT DOWN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S NOT MIXED USE ANYMORE. 
          UH, SO THAT IS ONE CALL OUT THERE. 
          UH, I'M, I'M JUXTAPOSED A LITTLE BIT TO MR. ALEXANDER'S COMMENT ON THE COMMERCIAL, AND HE MENTIONED MER MEREFIELD MEREFIELD WITH BI IN SOME AREAS HIDES THE COMMERCIAL, HIDES THE ACTIVATION, UH, BUT IN OTHER AREAS IT DOES IT, IN MY OPINION VERY WELL. 
          SO THIS CURRENT PLAN ASKS US TO LOOK AT A NARROWING OF THE SETBACK ALONG THE TWO MAJOR CORRIDORS, AND THEN ALLUDES TO ENCROACHMENT WITHIN THAT LIMITED, IN SOME CASES, 25% OF WHAT THE PLAN CALLS FOR WITH PATIOS UNDER THE GUISE OF, OF ACTIVATION. 
          IF WE LOOK AT MUIRFIELD AT THE SECTION, THAT IS MATT, THE MILLER'S TVE POTBELLIES, WHAT THEY'VE DONE THERE IS THEY'VE ALLOWED THE OPENING, BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE AT THE ACTIVATION, WHICH LEADS TO MY EARLIER QUESTION ON COULD WE SHIFT THAT POND OVER TO THE EAST SIDE, ALLOWING US TO DO THE WIDER SETBACK, WHICH IS WHAT THE PLAN CALLS FOR, ALLOWING FOR PATIOS TO STILL BE VISIBLE OVER THE, THE WATER FEATURE, ALLOWING FOR THAT ACTIVATION TO PULL PEOPLE INTO THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT STILL HONOR THE CODE REQUIREMENTS AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN REQUIREMENTS AS, AS ADOPTED BY THE CITY. 
          UH, I I DON'T 
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THINK THAT THERE'S, UH, NECESSARILY A, A SILVER BULLET HERE. 
          I DO THINK MR. OCK ALLUDED TO, WE LOST A LITTLE BIT. 
          I THINK WE GAINED A LITTLE BIT IN THE PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THAT. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS PLAN, THAT BEAUTIFUL MEANDERING PATH, THAT WAS THE BELT OF THE COMMUNITY, THE LAST TIME WE SAW IT HAD ALMOST NO PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION, LOWER THAN THAT TO THE SOUTH OF THAT. 
          AND YOU'VE ADDED THAT IN, WHICH IS WONDERFUL. 
          BUT THEN WE DELETED THE MEANDERING PATH . 
          AND SO I THINK THAT WE CAN GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE CIRCULATION, WE HAVE THE OPEN SPACE, AND YES, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN SPACE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF GREEN SPACE, BUT I THINK THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO UTILIZE THAT GREEN SPACE. 
          UM, THAT THOROUGH FIGURE PLAN IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. 
          UH, THE, THE LAST TWO COMMENTS THAT I WOULD HAVE, THERE WAS SOMEONE FROM THE GALLERY, AND I NEGLECTED TO WRITE DOWN WHO, WHO SAID THIS, BUT MENTIONED THE GATEWAY TO ENTRE. 
          AND I WOULD ARGUE THIS IS ONE OF THE GATEWAYS TO DUBLIN. 
          AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THE, THE CRITICAL AREAS BY DELETION OF THAT BOTTOM CORNER. 
          WHAT WE ALSO DID IS WE OPENED UP THE VIEW CORRIDOR COMING NORTH DIRECTLY INTO A PARKING LOT, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT DUBLIN TRIES TO AVOID THAT IS PLANNING FROM 20 YEARS AGO. 
          WELL, WE WE'RE PLANNING TODAY, AND WE, WE DON'T LIKE AUTO ORIENTED VIEWS FROM OUR ARTERIAL ROADWAYS. 
          AND THE LAST ONE IS A DRIVE UP AND A DRIVE THROUGH TO ME ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT. 
          UM, ONE OF 'EM IS, IS VERY CHALLENGING. 
          UH, CAN BE DONE, CAN BE DONE WELL, BUT CAN BE CHALLENGING. 
          WE ARE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS. 
          SO OPEN-ENDEDNESS IS NOT GOING TO BE PART OF OUR STRONG SUIT. 
          WE LIKE PLANS, WE LIKE, UH, DEVELOPMENT DETAILS. 
          AND AS WE COME FORWARD WITH PAST THE CONCEPT PLAN, PAST AN INFORMAL REVIEW, UH, WHEN WE'RE GETTING TO THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL LOOK AT VERY CRITICALLY. 
          UH, WE'VE DONE THEM BEFORE, SO PLEASE DON'T SAY, OKAY, WELL, THEY'RE NEVER GONNA PASS A DRIVE THROUGH BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE. 
          BUT WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT, WE APPRECIATE THAT OUR NEIGHBORS OR SOME COMMISSION MEMBERS LIVE IN THE AREA. 
          I DRIVE BY THIS CORNER EVERY SINGLE DAY WHEN I GO TO WORK. 
          UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULD BE PROUD AND WE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH LIVING RIGHT NEXT DOOR, EVEN IF WE DON'T. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE LENS THROUGH WHICH WE LOOK AT THESE PLANNING, UM, EXERCISES. 
          I WANNA END KIND OF WHERE I BEGAN WITH THE MIXED USE. 
          AS WE COME BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT. 
          UH, WE, WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK THROUGH THE LENS OF RATIOS THROUGH PERCENTAGES, BECAUSE THERE IS THE, OF COURSE, THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE MARKET DRIVES DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND IF ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDS OUT AND NONE OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDS OUT, THEN IS IT REALLY MIXED USE? SO WITH THAT, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A NON-VOTING ITEM IF I'M FINDING MY YES, NON-VOTING ITEM. 
          UH, WITH THAT, IS THERE ANY CLARIFICATION THAT THE APPLICANT SEEKS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE WERE NOT CLEAR ON AS A COMMISSION CHAIRPERSON? CALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO CAME. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. 
          UM, I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH ANY REDEVELOPMENT, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE TRADE-OFFS AND THEREFORE MATTERS OF DISAGREEMENT PERHAPS ON SOME OF THE SUBJECTIVE COMPONENTS. 
          UH, BUT NEVERTHELESS, I THINK FROM EVERYTHING WE'VE HEARD, THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU AND THAT WE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH IS FAR SUPERIOR TO THE EXISTING ZONING AND THE MANNERS IN WHICH THIS, THIS LAND COULD BE USED UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING. 
          SO WE APPRECIATE THIS, THIS BODY'S, UH, SUPPORT FOR A REZONING TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. INGRAM. 
          LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT GIVING UP A THURSDAY NIGHT IS NOT ANYONE'S IDEA OF A PERFECT THURSDAY EVENING, BUT WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMING OUT . 
          I I SAID PERFECT. 
          NOT, NOT GREAT, NOT . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, AND THE, THE CHAMBERS DO ECHO QUITE LOUDLY, SO IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO SOCIALIZE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS, WE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. 
          WE WILL HAVE STAFF CLOSE SOME OF THE DOORS. 
          THEY WILL STILL BE OPEN. 
          THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING, SO FEEL FREE TO CONTINUE TO STAY. 
          WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE AGENDA ITEMS, BUT IF YOU ARE DISCUSSING, IF YOU COULD MOVE TOWARD PAST THE KITCHEN AREA, THAT WAY WE CAN CONTINUE ON WITH OUR MEETING. 
          ALRIGHT, WE ARE MOVING ON WITH 
          [Case #24-105AFDP ]
CASE 24 DASH 
          [02:30:01]
1 0 5 A FTP FALLBACK STUDIOS. 
          THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ADD MOTION PICTURE RADIO AND TELEVISION STUDIOS AS PERMITTED USES WITHIN SUB AREA C ONE OF THE PERIMETER CENTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. 
          THE APPROXIMATELY 24 AND A HALF ACRE SUB AREA IS ZONED PCD PLANT COMMERCE DISTRICT PERIMETER CENTER, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST AT THE INTERSECTION OF POST ROAD AND DISCOVERY BOULEVARD. 
          WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME THE APPLICANT HERE AND, UH, TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU. 
          OH, THANKS. 
          UH, THANKS FOR HAVING US. 
          MY NAME'S KEVIN KALE. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 1 0 5 ROSEVIEW DRIVE IN GRANVILLE. 
          HELLO, I'M GRAHAM ALLISON AT 2 98 KELTON AVENUE IN COLUMBUS. 
          THANKS FOR HAVING US. 
          UH, WE'RE, UH, EXCITED TO BE HERE. 
          IT'S THE FIRST TIME COMING IN FRONT OF THE, UH, ZONING COMMISSION. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND KIND OF SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          MOST OF, UH, ALL OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU WANNA CALL THAT IS ALL ON THE INSIDE, UH, OF THE, OF THE FACILITY. 
          AND WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR ARCHITECT AND DESIGN FIRM, GENSLER AND THEIR TEAM OUT OF LA AND THEY HAVE A TEAM HERE ON WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE ULTIMATELY ON THE INSIDE. 
          SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND ALSO GOING THROUGH THE, THE DUE DILIGENCE, UH, ON THE BUILDING, WHICH FROM A, A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE, EXPECTING TO CLOSE ON THE 30TH OF, OF NOVEMBER. 
          UM, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON, ON FALLBACK, AND YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE, UH, THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU IN TERMS OF THE LANGUAGE. 
          UM, BUT, BUT OUR, OUR BUSINESS GOES BEYOND JUST FILM AND TV PRODUCTION. 
          I THINK IT GETS ALL THE HIGHLIGHTS OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN A LOT OF THE PRESS. 
          BUT IT GOES, IT REALLY GOES BEYOND THAT. 
          THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FACILITY IN 90,000 SQUARE FOOT OF THE FACILITY WILL BE SOUND STAGE SPACE. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE THE CAPABILITIES OF, OF FULL FEATURE FILM, PRODUCTION, TV, UM, VIRTUAL PRODUCTION. 
          IF YOU'VE WATCHED, UH, YOU KNOW, BARBIE OR MAVERICK OR, UH, DUNE, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          THOSE WERE MOST OF THAT, OR A LARGE PORTION OF THAT WAS DONE ACTUALLY IN A, A, A VIRTUAL SOUND STAGE, UH, ON A VOLUME WALL. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING INTO OUR FACILITY. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE STATE OF OHIO. 
          AND IN FACT, THIS DOESN'T EXIST IN THE STATE OF OHIO. 
          UH, IT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE REGION, IN THE SURROUNDING STATES AS WELL. 
          THE CLOSEST THING IS CHICAGO, WHO I WAS, UH, I WAS OUT THERE VISITING A COMPANY CALLED CINESPACE IN DEPAUL UNIVERSITY, UH, LAST WEEK TO GET A REAL SENSE OF HOW THEY OPERATE IN TERMS OF EDUCATION AND, UH, AND SOUNDSTAGE COMPANY, RIGHT? AND HOW THAT THAT WORKS TOGETHER FOR THEM. 
          UM, BUT ESPORTS, YOU KNOW, MUSIC VIDEOS, UM, REHEARSAL. 
          SO MUSIC REHEARSAL. 
          AND I THINK OF IT IN TERMS OF, UH, OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH KAPPA AND CHAD WINNINGTON, THE CEO OVER THERE IS A GOOD FRIEND. 
          UM, AND HE WAS OUT AT OUR OPEN HOUSE. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW WE COLLABORATE GOING FORWARD, AND THAT IS REALLY THEATRICAL REHEARSALS CURRENTLY THEY'RE DOING THERE, BUT THEY CAN DO MORE OF THAT AT, IN OUR FACILITY, UM, AS WELL. 
          UH, 50 TO 60 SEAT THEATER, UH, THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IT'S ONLY SPECIAL EVENTS SCREENINGS, UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE MANAGED BY GATEWAY FILM CENTER. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE A A, A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. 
          WE HAVE A PROPOSAL FROM THEM. 
          ALL WE NEED TO DO IS GO INTO CONTRACT, WHICH IT'S BEING DRAFTED RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, COMMERCIAL AND CORPORATE. 
          ONE OF OUR PARTNERS, DON LEE, IT'S WHAT HE'S DONE FOR 40 YEARS AT A COMPANY CALLED HORIZONS IN UPPER ARLINGTON. 
          I LIKE TO CALL HIM THE GRAND PUBA OF, OF THE INDUSTRY HERE IN COLUMBUS. 
          HE'S TRAINED A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT, UM, REALLY DO A GOOD JOB IN THE INDUSTRY AND BEEN BEEN AT IT FOR A LONG TIME. 
          AND SOME ADVERTISING AS WELL. 
          ONE THING I DIDN'T HIT ON IS OUR EDUCATION COLLABORATION. 
          IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS, UH, THE MEETINGS WE'VE HAD, UM, WITH, UH, DR. 
          UH, MARSH HOUSE, AND I ALWAYS PRONOUNCE HIS NAME WRONG AT DUBLIN CITY SCHOOL. 
          SO WE'VE MET WITH HIM TWICE AND HE'LL BE OUT TO TOUR OUR FACILITY ON THE 13TH. 
          UM, BECAUSE STUDENT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS INDUSTRY IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO, HAS TO IMPROVE. 
          AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US, SOMETHING THEY HAVEN'T HAD ACCESS TO IN THE PAST WITHIN THEIR FILM DEPARTMENTS, UH, WITHIN THEIR ARTS DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND IT STARTS NOT AT OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY OR CAPITAL OR CCAD, IT STARTS IN DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS, RIGHT? THERE'S KIDS THAT HAVE A DESIRE TO BE IN THE ARTS. 
          THEY DON'T KNOW THE PATH, THEY DON'T KNOW THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT ACTUALLY CAN BE. 
          'CAUSE THEY'VE NEVER SEEN A SOUND STAGE, THIS, THIS MAGNITUDE. 
          THEY ONLY SEE IT ON TV. 
          THE SAME THING IS FOR THE UNIVERSITIES AS WELL. 
          SO THE STUDENTS HAVE NOT HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY CREATING INTERNSHIPS, US COMING INTO THE CLASSROOM, THEM COMING TO US, UH, DEDICATED SPACE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE FOR THEM. 
          EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. 
          IF YOU THINK, KIND OF, THINK OF OUR TOP 10, THAT'S LIKE NUMBER ONE, RIGHT? ON OUR, OUR LIST. 
          OUR SUCCESS IS DRIVEN BY THE PEOPLE, AND IT'S DRIVEN BY THE STUDENTS THAT WE CAN HELP DEVELOP, UH, THAT, THAT TALENT. 
          UM, 
          [02:35:01]
OUR TEAM IS ALL FROM OHIO, MYSELF, DON GRAHAM AND KAYLYN. 
          SHE'S ACTUALLY OUT IN LA GETTING HER GRADUATE DEGREE IN FILM. 
          ALL FROM COLUMBUS JULIANA'S FROM WARREN JULIANO. 
          UM, SPENT 10 YEARS AT, UH, LEGENDARY ENTERTAINMENT THAT RECENTLY PRODUCED, UH, DUNE DUNE ONE AND DUNE TWO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          SO THEY'RE BIG. 
          SHE STARTED THERE WHEN WERE LIKE FOUR PEOPLE. 
          UM, I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN DUBLIN, AND I WORKED FOR A COMPANY CALLED MANNING AND NAP PIER. 
          IT'S AN INVESTMENT FIRM THAT WAS OVER ON THE QUARRY UP TOP OVER ON RIVERSIDE. 
          I WAS WITH HIM FOR ABOUT 18 YEARS AND WENT OVER TO METRO, AND I WAS THERE FOR ABOUT HALF THE TIME. 
          SO SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THE AREA, SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          UM, BEING FROM A, A WALKINS MEMORIAL GRAD OUT EAST, YOU KNOW, FARM COUNTRY, SPENT A LOT OF TIME UP HERE AND WE, WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW THE AREA VERY WELL. 
          UM, AND I THINK THE, THE, THE QUESTION THAT, UH, I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS YOU PROBABLY HAVE, AND ONE OF THOSE IS PROBABLY WHY DUBLIN, RIGHT? BECAUSE EVERYWHERE FROM NEW ALBANY ALL THE WAY TO TO HILLIARD, RIGHT? WAS VERY EXCITED TO TALK TO US. 
          AND WE DID TALK TO THEM. 
          UM, AND, AND DUBLIN WAS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, REALLY AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. 
          AND IT'S REALLY FINDING THAT RIGHT FACILITY, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GOING TO PUSH SHOVELS IN THE GROUND AND WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT DEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, A NEW PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF CRITERIA THAT WE HAD. 
          THERE'S REALLY FIVE, RIGHT? UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT SELECTIONS, NUMBER ONE IS PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT, PROXIMITY TO HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, AND BARS SHOPPING, WHICH INCLUDES COSTCO AND LOWE'S AND, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER TYPE OF SHOPPING YOU WANT TO HAVE. 
          BUT NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST IS SAFETY. 
          NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST IS SAFETY. 
          IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, NOT ONLY FOR US, BUT ANYBODY COMING IN THAT'S GONNA BE US UTILIZING THE FACILITY. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE ALL OBVIOUSLY VERY EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, AND THE KEY FACTORS IN MAKING THE DECISION ON WHERE WE WERE GONNA FOCUS ON, WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO, UM, BE PRESENTED WITH THIS FACILITY ACTUALLY BACK IN DECEMBER OVER AT 7,007 CURRENTLY, THE WD PARTNERS HEADQUARTERS. 
          UM, AND IT WAS PERFECT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH, BOTH ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF OFFICES AND CONFERENCES. 
          UM, NOT A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE UP THERE A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION AND BUILD OUT THE THEATER, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UM, BUT IT'S REALLY AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? THAT WE, UM, THAT WHERE'S MOST OF THE CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA BE. 
          AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, IT'S BASICALLY TECHNOLOGY AND SOUNDPROOFING. 
          THOSE ARE THE TWO BIGGEST THINGS, RIGHT? UH, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING BACK THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CONNECTED. 
          EACH ONE OF THE WAREHOUSES, UM, THAT I'LL, THAT I'LL SHOW YOU HERE. 
          SO WE CALL 'EM STAGE A, STAGE B AND STAGE C ON THIS CHART. 
          YOU KNOW, STAGE A IS WHERE THEY MADE, IT WAS MEDITECH OR WHATEVER, I FORGET THE NAME OF IT, WHERE THEY MADE THE A OL CDS BACK IN THE DAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S MEDITECH. 
          THAT WAS MEDITECH. 
          MEDITECH. 
          UM, SO THAT'S OPEN RIGHT NOW. 
          THE, THE OTHER TWO WHERE IT SAYS VOLUME, ALL THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING IN STAGE A, THAT'S THE VIRTUAL PRODUCTION. 
          UM, STAGE B CURRENTLY HAS AN ATHLETIC, UH, COMPANY, KIND OF A CROSSFIT TYPE COMPANY IN THERE. 
          AND STAGE C'S GOT THE TRAVEL BASEBALL TEAM, BUT THEY'RE ALL CONNECTED, RIGHT? AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU, YOU HAVE TO HEAR A PIN DROP IN EACH ONE OF THEM. 
          CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN A, IN B OR B AND C OR ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          AND FROM THE OUTSIDE YOU WON'T HEAR A THING CAN'T HAPPEN, RIGHT? THERE'S SPECIFIC NOISE, UM, MITIGATION, RIGHT? THAT HAS TO GO ON, UH, IN THERE. 
          UM, SO IT'S JUST REALLY A CONVERSION, NOT REPLACING THE ROOF, RIGHT? UM, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          THE, I THINK THE, THE BIGGEST PART OF, OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, UM, AT, AT LEAST FROM KIND OF THE OUTSIDE STANDPOINT, IF I GO BACK TO THAT, IS THE SOLAR ARRAY AT THE TOP YOU MIGHT WANNA TALK ABOUT SURE. 
          KIND OF THE G THE GREENING OF YEAH. 
          OF THE FACILITY THAT WE'RE GONNA DO. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          IT'S PART OF OUR ETHOS, PARDON ME. 
          UH, IT'S PART OF OUR ETHOS REALLY TO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE FACILITY AS WELL. 
          UH, AND SO WE'RE GONNA, UH, PUT AN 800, UH, KILOWATT SOLAR PROJECT ON TOP. 
          IT'S, THIS IS AN ARTIST RENDERING. 
          IT'S NOT NEARLY THAT, THAT COVERAGE. 
          UH, AND IT WILL BE COVERED. 
          IT WILL BE, UH, SHIELDED FROM THE PARAPET, BUT THAT SHOULD, UH, SATISFY OUR NEEDS. 
          UH, FRANKLY, WE'LL BE A, THE SOLAR SHOULD SATISFY ALL OF OUR POWER NEEDS GOING FORWARD. 
          SO IF WE CAN GET DOWN TO NET ZERO, UH, THAT'S REALLY A, A GOAL OF OURS TO, TO BE A GREEN FACILITY. 
          AND SO THAT, UH, WE'LL BE USING, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME RESOURCES THAT, UH, THAT LOOK FOR IT TO FINANCE, UH, THOSE TYPES OF, UH, IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING INTO A 30-YEAR-OLD FACILITY AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GIVE IT A, A GOOD FACELIFT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO DO TOO MUCH ON THE FRONT, FRONT END. 
          'CAUSE WD PARTNERS HAS A DESIGNED FIRM, UH, HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, UH, THERE, THEY'RE GOING, THEY'RE GONNA BE STAYING WITH US, BY THE WAY, UH, AS A, AS A TENANT AS WELL, A AFTER WE ACQUIRE THE FACILITY. 
          UH, BUT WE ARE, UH, WE'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IT UP. 
          UH, WE WILL NEED A CHANGE. 
          AND WE, WE'VE, UH, TALKED TO BASSMAN TO, UH, CHANGE TO A PERMITTED USE, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, WE LOOKED AT SOME 
          [02:40:01]
OTHER, UH, ZONING, UH, OPPORTUNITIES ACROSS THE STATE. 
          I ACTUALLY CAME FROM NEW MEXICO ORIGINALLY, UH, AND WE LOOKED AT SOME, SOME ZONING OUT THERE. 
          AND I, PRIOR TO US MEETING SIX YEARS AGO WHEN WE DECIDED TO FIRST DO THIS, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CREATING A, A FUND IN OHIO. 
          AND SO, AND PART OF IT IS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE A PERMITTED USE SO THAT WE CAN, CAN BRING THIS TYPE OF FACILITY, REALLY THE FIRST ONE IN OUR HISTORY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE, THE OUTSIDE'S NOT GONNA CHANGE. 
          AND, AND THAT YOU'RE JUST SEEING THE TOP OF THAT, RIGHT? SO AS YOU DRIVE BY IT TODAY, ANY CHANGES YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON THE OUTSIDE IS JUST IMPROVEMENTS IN LANDSCAPING. 
          THAT'S REALLY IT. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CHANGING YOU. 
          WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE, WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S GONNA SEE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, WHEN WE MET WITH THE VILLAGE OF KAUFMAN, UM, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND, AND ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 
          AND A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE, I'M SURE YOU DO. 
          WHAT'S THE NOISE GONNA BE LIKE? WELL, QUITE FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS WHEN WD PARTNERS WAS AT ITS FULL CAPACITY PRIOR TO COVID, RIGHT? TRAFFIC'S NOT GONNA BE ANY DIFFERENT WHEN IT WAS WD PARTNERS AT FULL CAPACITY PRE PRE COVID, RIGHT? THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WE HAVE THERE, I THINK THERE'S ROUGHLY 450. 
          UM, WE'D BE HARD PRESSED TO FILL ALL THOSE. 
          WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A LOT GOING ON IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND QUITE FRANKLY, UM, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THREE $10 MILLION PROJECTS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH WILL NOT HAPPEN TO FILL THAT, OKAY? SO DON'T, DON'T EXPECT THAT ANY TRAILER TRAFFIC, ALL THAT'S IN THE BACK WHERE THE LOADING DOCKS ARE, ALL THE SPACES IN THE BACK, YOU WILL SEE ZERO. 
          I CAN PROMISE YOU, I WILL NOT PERMIT A SINGLE TRAILER SITTING OUT FRONT. 
          IT WILL NOT, WILL NOT HAPPEN. 
          IF THEY NEED TO BE PARKED, THEY'RE GONNA BE PARKED SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT IS, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA BE AT, BUT THEY'RE NOT SITTING OUT IN FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY. 
          TRAILER'S NOT GONNA BE SIT SITTING OUT IN FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY, OKAY? YOU'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE BY AND SEE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, PERIOD. 
          RIGHT? JUST, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA, NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          UM, AND, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S IT IN TERMS OF THE, THE OUTSIDE OF THE, OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE, THE SIGNAGE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF YET. 
          NOT REALLY EXPECTING TO MAKE ANY, YOU KNOW, LIKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          AS WE GET FURTHER DOWN, UH, FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE SITE PLANS. 
          THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, THIS IS, THIS IS, I WANTED TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE WHAT THAT VOLUME WALL LOOKED LIKE. 
          THIS IS A BIG LED WALL, UM, THAT IS THE BACKGROUND, RIGHT? THAT IS PRODUCED FOR THIS PARTICULAR SCENE, WHICH CHANGES REAL TIME WITH AI BUILT INTO IT. 
          YOU, YOU TELL WHAT YOU WANT FROM THIS PARTICULAR, UH, BACKGROUND TO THE ROCKIES RAINING ON A CLOUDY DAY WHEN IT'S 30 DEGREES OUTSIDE, AND IT CHANGES IT TO THAT LIKE THAT, RIGHT? AND IT MOVES, IT'S GOT, IT'S KIND OF REALLY COOL. 
          UM, WE'RE GOING DOWN TO, TO TEXAS IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO VIEW OUR PARTNERS AT TRILOGY AND OPTIC EIGHT, WHO IS GONNA BE DOING THAT TRILOGY'S, WHERE DR. 
          PHIL'S STUDIO IS. 
          UM, SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, WE JUST, I JUST PUT UP OUR TIMELINE THERE, UH, SO YOU CAN SEE IT. 
          UM, KIND OF DEVELOPMENT CONSTRUCTION BOOKINGS BEGIN IN DECEMBER. 
          WE, WE HAD A TARGETED END OF APRIL T UH, OPEN DATE THAT'S PROBABLY MOVING INTO MAY. 
          WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, LY WHO'S GOING TO BE OUR, UH, CONSTRUCTION PARTNER CONTRACTOR AND OUR NEIGHBOR AND OUR, AND OUR NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS REALLY, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD. 
          UH, WE, WE WANTED TO KEEP AS MUCH OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING, WHETHER IT'S IN DUBLIN OR AT LEAST IN CENTRAL OHIO, AND THERE'S ENOUGH TALENT HERE TO, TO DO THAT. 
          AND THEN PHASE TWO, WHICH WOULD BEGIN A YEAR FROM NOW, BECAUSE THE, THE TWO EXISTING TENANTS THAT ARE IN THERE WHEN THOSE, UH, WHEN THOSE LEASES EXPIRE, UH, NEXT YEAR. 
          SO WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE, AND WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS TO BOTH. 
          WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          UM, THIS ONE, UNLIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE, YOU ARE ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION AT THE END OF THE DELIBERATIONS. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, IT IS, UH, A PROPERTY THAT'S WITHIN A, AN EXISTING PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THERE'S BEEN APPROVED, UH, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THAT ONE. 
          THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH MINOR TEXT MODIFICATIONS, AND GENERALLY IT'S TO ADD ANOTHER USE TO THE LIST OF PERMITTED USES WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          THE, UH, LOCATION IN GENERAL, I THINK YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          AND IT'S, UH, UH, IN THE PERIMETER CENTER, UH, PLANT UNIT DISTRICT OR PLANT COMMERCIAL PLANT COMMERCE DISTRICT. 
          AND IT'S WITHIN SUB AREA C ONE. 
          SO THAT PERIMETER CENTER, UH, COMMERCE 
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DISTRICT HAS MULTIPLE SUB AREAS. 
          AND THIS PARTICULAR ONE INCLUDES, UH, A VARIETY OF WAREHOUSE, UH, OFFICE, UH, FLEX, SOME ATHLETIC FACILITIES AND SO FORTH. 
          AND MANY OF THOSE USES ARE PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE, UH, PROJECTED OPERATIONS THAT FALLBACK STUDIOS IS, UH, LOOKING AT, BUT DO NOT REALLY INCLUDE THAT USE. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY THE PURPOSE. 
          UM, AS WAS MENTIONED, THE BUILDING WOULD NOT CHANGE, THE SITE WOULD NOT CHANGE. 
          THE OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING WILL, UH, CONTINUE TO INCLUDE WD PARTNERS AND FOR THE TIME BEING A COUPLE OF ATHLETIC USE OR INDOOR RECREATION USES THAT ARE USING THE BACK, UH, SPACES UNTIL THEIR LEASES EXPIRE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. 
          UH, IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS HAVE INCLUDED SOME OTHER POTENTIAL FUTURE USES TO KIND OF GIVE A FLAVOR OF WHAT TYPE OF, UH, USE CATEGORY WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT. 
          SO SOME OF THE COLORS THAT YOU SEE ON THAT, UH, FLOOR PLAN ARE NOT NECESSARILY IMMEDIATE, UH, USERS, UH, BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, IT WOULD BE FALLBACK STUDIOS, WD PARTNERS, HORIZONS THAT WAS MENTIONED, AND THE ATHLETIC USES UNTIL THEIR LEASES EXPIRE. 
          THE, UH, SITE HAS MATURE LANDSCAPING, INCLUDING SOME LANDSCAPING THAT WAS ADDED ABOUT 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO WHEN, UH, A PREVIOUS AMENDMENT TO THE LIST OF USES A LOT FOR MORE USE OF WAREHOUSING AND, UH, OTHER USES IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. 
          AT THAT POINT, THERE WAS ADDITIONAL BUFFERING THAT WAS PLANTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HOLT ROAD TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SCREENING OF THE CONDOMINIUMS ON THE WEST SIDE AND TO SCREEN THE LOADING AREAS. 
          AND SO THOSE LOADING AREAS EXIST, UH, UH, FALLBACK WILL HAVE OCCASIONAL TRAILERS ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR USE. 
          THOSE WOULD BE PARKED WITHIN THE, UH, UH, LOADING AREAS. 
          AND AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, THOSE WOULD NOT BE MOVING IN AND OUT ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          IF THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE THERE FOR THE DURATION OF THE, UH, PRODUCTION. 
          THERE'S ALREADY IN THE, UH, EXISTING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS STACKS OF, UH, TIME LIMIT ON WHEN ACTUAL LOADING AND UNLOADING AND IDLING. 
          UH, SO THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF AND WE THINK THE, UH, UH, USE WOULD BE COMPATIBLE FROM THAT STANDPOINT. 
          SO SUB AREA C ONE, AGAIN IS, UH, ITS OWN CATEGORY, WHICH INCLUDES THIS BUILDING ON THE ONE TO THE SOUTH. 
          AND THE DESCRIPTION YOU SEE TO THE RIGHT, THIS IS A RED LINE VERSION. 
          THERE'S A MD TEXT, IF YOU LOOK, LOOKED AT THE TEXT, THERE'S A VERY DETAILED LIST OF PERMITTED AND CONDITIONAL USES. 
          AND SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE PRESENTATION, WE TOOK THE EXTRACT OF THE DESCRIPTION OF THE AREA AND ADDED THE, UH, USE THAT WOULD INCLUDE MOTION PICTURE RADIO AND TELEVISION PRODUCTION STUDIOS TO THOSE LIST OF USES. 
          AND THAT TERMINOLOGY, UH, MR. ANDERSON MENTIONED NEW MEXICO. 
          THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES THERE THAT HAVE HAD A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE WITH THESE TYPES OF USES. 
          AND WE DID LOOK AT DIFFERENT CODES AND THAT SEEMED TO BE, UH, GOOD OVERALL CATCH ALL, UH, LIST OF USES. 
          SO THE, UH, WITH THE MINOR TAX AMENDMENT, THERE ARE CER CERTAIN CRITERIA ABOUT BEING COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AND WE DO FEEL THAT, THAT THE, UH, UH, PROPOSAL MEETS THOSE, THE USES ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT ALREADY EXISTS IN THE BUILDING. 
          THERE'S MATURE BUFFERING THE, UH, THERE'S PROTECTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, UM, TIME OF OPERATION FOR THE TRAILERS. 
          THERE MAY BE OCCASIONAL RECREATIONAL VEHICLES FOR, UH, ACTORS OR DIRECTORS. 
          AND THE AGREEMENT IS THAT THOSE WOULD EITHER BE, OR AT LEAST WHAT'S BEING OFFERED IS EITHER WOULD BE IN THE BACK LOADING AREA OR AT WORSE, UH, THERE'S A, A VERY WELL STREAMED PARKING LOT AT THE NORTH END OF THE BUILDING THAT WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE FROM OFFSITE, THAT THAT'S WHERE, UH, THE, THOSE RECREATION OF VEHICLES COULD BE, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, JUST OCCASIONALLY. 
          SO WE DO FEEL THAT THEY MEET THE CRITERIA THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN FOR MINOR, UH, TEXT MODIFICATION. 
          AND WE ALSO FEEL WE, THEY MEET THE CRITERIA FOR AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH AGAIN, LOOKS AT THE OVERALL INTENT OF THAT APPROVED, UH, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND HOW MUCH THAT'S CHANGING. 
          SO WITH THAT SET WAS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE MINOR TAX MODIFICATION TO ADD THAT USE CATEGORY. 
          AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. WE SO EXCITING. 
          , I I HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I'M, I'M GOING, I'M GONNA MAKE, I'M GOING 
          [02:50:01]
TO FOLLOW UP WITH IT IN A BIT. 
          UM, I I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY KIND OF MADE IT CLEAR THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF PRODUCTION ACTIVITIES HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          I THINK YOU SAID THAT IN SOME, IN SOME FORM. 
          YEAH, NO, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL, THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS AN AN ABSOLUTE LIKE NO OR NEVER OR WE DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER, AND SO, YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR WHAT WE'RE, UM, OUR EXPECTATION IS IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          YOU KNOW, SHOOTS ARE OBVIOUSLY DONE ON LOCATION. 
          UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT WOULD, THEY WOULD NEED THE, UM, THE, WHAT THAT PROPERTY OFFERS. 
          AND I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE VERY LIMITED IN MY EXPERIENCE ON WHAT THAT, THAT PROPERTY IS. 
          UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN EXTERNAL SHOOT OF A OFFICE BUILDING THAT'D HAVE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND THOSE SPECS. 
          UM, SO I THINK THE, THE PROBABILITY OF THAT IS VERY, VERY LOW. 
          I DON'T WANNA SAY NEVER, BUT IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY LOW. 
          AND THEN MS. ROUSH, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT A PLANNING QUESTION, BUT CITY QUESTION, SHOULD THERE BE PRODUCTION IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN, THEY WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE IN ORDER TO CONDUCT SUCH ACTIVITIES, CORRECT? YES. 
          I WOULD ASSUME SO THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME COORDINATION AS YOU WOULD IN ANY COMMUNITY. 
          I'M ASSUMING YOU DO THAT. 
          SO, SO I'LL GO, SO I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH MY COMMENT IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF A PRODUCTION STUDIO, IT SAYS THE USE OF LAND BUILDING OR STRUCTURE. 
          SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST WONDERING IN THE TEXT, CAN, CAN THAT STANDALONE OR DO WE HAVE, CAN DO, IS THERE A WAY TO SOMEHOW SAY, SO I THINK THERE'S A, IF IT CAN'T HAPPEN IN THE LAND , I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DESIGNATION OF THE, THE PURPOSE AND THE ACTUAL FUNCTION. 
          THE FUNCTION, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU OWN THE PROPERTY OR NOT, YOU STILL REQUIRE A PERMIT, WHICH IS NOT THIS BODY'S, I'M JUST TRYING TO, I MEAN, DOES THAT LANGUAGE OPEN THE DOOR FOR THEM TO USE THE LAND OR CAN WE BE, SHOULD WE BE MORE SPECIFIC? I MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE, BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DEFINITION OF WHAT THE PRODUCTION STUDIO IS, AND THAT'S A PLANNING AND ZONING ACTION. 
          BUT SHOULD THEY ACTUALLY NEED THE ACTIVITY THAT IS NOT A PLANNING ZONING. 
          THE DEFINITION SAID IT INCLUDES THE LAND. 
          AGREED. 
          A PRODUCTION STUDIO AGREED. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE ACTIVITY OF THE PRODUCTION WOULD NOT BE A PLANNING AND ZONING CONSIDERATION. 
          IT WOULD BE A CITY CONSIDERATION. 
          SO IF THEY, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION  MR. BOX, I DUNNO IF ANYBODY AGREES WITH ME. 
          , YEAH. 
          ONE, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S KIND OF THE, THE SEPARATE QUESTION OF WHAT CITY PERMITS WOULD BE NECESSARY TO DO EXTERIOR FILM SHOOTING. 
          BUT FROM THE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE OF SAYING LAND BUILDING OR STRUCTURE FOR THIS PURPOSE, EVERYTHING FROM PARKING, THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR EMPLOYEE VEHICLES BEING PARKED THERE, THAT'S ALL CONTRIBUTING TO THAT PURPOSE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S THE LAND. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION, MR. CHIN, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DO, YES. 
          SO, UM, SPECIFICALLY ON THE TRAILERS YOU MENTIONED, I FORGOT WHAT THE, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERESTING TERM IN HERE, THE ACTORS TRAILERS ARE CALLED HONEY SOMETHING. 
          UM, , THE BUNNY WAGONS ARE, ARE WE OR CAN'T DO, ARE WE LIMITED TO WHERE THOSE, I KNOW YOU SAID THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAYBE HAVE THAT MANY, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO, AND YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 'EM IN THE FRONT OF THE FRONT OF THE, THE BUILDING EVER, BUT DO WE LIMIT WHERE THOSE ARE? WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IF THE TRAILERS ARE FULL IN THE BACK LOADING DOCK, YOU'VE GOT A HUGE PRODUCTION, HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS ARE DOING WONDERFUL BUSINESS AND YOU'VE GOT FIVE ACTORS TRAILERS THAT ARE RUNNING GENERATORS 24 7. 
          DO WE NEED TO DESIGNATE, OR SHOULD WE DESIGNATE A SPOT WHERE THOSE CAN AND CAN'T BE, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION? OR ARE WE EVEN ALLOWED TO DO THAT? 'CAUSE THAT'S, AGAIN, I KNOW, I KNOW YOU TALK ABOUT NOISE FROM THE STUDIO ITSELF, BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT THESE TRAILERS AND THEN WHEN IT'S A HUNDRED DEGREES OUTSIDE, ARE THEY CRANKING ALL NIGHT LONG AND DISTURBING THE, THE RESIDENTS AROUND IT? UH, YEAH. 
          I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED OF DESIGNATING A LOCATION, BUT I'M SURE IT'S UP TO, UM, YOU KNOW, . 
          SO WITH THIS BEING A USE CATEGORY, ADDING A USE, I DON'T THINK THAT NECESSARILY DESIGNATING A LOCATION WHEN THE REQUEST IS TO ADD A USE. 
          BUT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, THERE'S BEEN GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT IF THOSE CANNOT BE IN THE RIGHT, THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW I, I MEAN I, I LOOKED AT MR. BOX IF THE RECORD COULD REFLECT THAT, BUT OUR DISCUSSION HAS BEEN THAT IF THOSE ARE NOT ACCOMMODATED IN THE LOADING AREA, THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE IN THAT SMALL PARKING LOT AT THE NORTH END OF THE SITE THAT IS VERY HEAVILY SCREENED FROM POST ROAD AND NOT VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT OR ANY OF THE OTHER SITES. 
          BUT IN ALL CASES, 
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ANYTHING WOULD BE SUBJECT TO REGULAR NOISE ORDINANCE, NUISANCE ORDINANCE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, AND I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T WANNA GO HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE INAPPROPRIATE TO ASK, ARE WE ABLE TO RESTRICT THE TYPE OF FILMS THAT ARE MADE, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE'RE DOING ADULT FILMS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES? NOT THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO THAT, BUT IS THAT IN OUR PURVIEW TO LIMIT THE TYPES OF, SO A ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES LIKE THAT ARE SUBJECT TO A SEPARATE USE CATEGORY ALTOGETHER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SEPARATE PROCESSES ALTOGETHER. 
          ASIDE FROM THAT, WHETHER IT'S HORROR, COMEDY, DRAMA, ANY OTHER SUBJECT MATTER, WE CAN'T, UH, MAKE A DISTINCTION. 
          OKAY. 
          HAD TO ASK. 
          THANKS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MS. HARTER? I ALSO HAD SOME QUESTIONS, UM, JUST ABOUT THE, THE, UH, TRAILERS AND SO FORTH TOO. 
          AND, UM, IT, IT, I'M THINKING ABOUT THEIR PRIVACY TOO, AND IF YOU NEED TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S MORE LANDSCAPING AND SO FORTH, AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT THERE, YOU DID SAY THAT THEY MAY EVEN GO OFF THE PRE PREMISE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR WERE YOU SAYING THAT THEY WOULD FIND, YOU'D FIND A, A, A PLACE TO STORE THEM IN THE BACK, JUST TO CLARIFY? YEAH, I MEAN, WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, REALLY DEPENDS ON, UM, THE, THE NUMBER OF TRAILERS. 
          I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T EXPECT THERE TO BE ANY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. 
          SO THEY WOULD NEVER LEAVE THE PROPERTY? NO. 
          I MEAN, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD EITHER STAY ON THE PROPERTY IN THE BACK, UM, AND THAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION, UM, YOU KNOW, MOST IN MOST OF THE TIME. 
          AND I NOTICED OUT THERE, UM, THAT LIKE THEIR TRASH CANS AREN'T COVERED. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TOO. 
          UH, THERE IS JUST A BIN THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO COVER THOSE AND MAKE IT, AND MAYBE IT'S LOOKING BACK AT OTHER TEXTS THAT'S BEEN, WAS OUT THERE IN THE PAST THERE TOO. 
          AND I KNOW YOU DON'T WANNA SPEND TOO MUCH ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT THERE ARE GREAT PLACES. 
          MY QUESTION TOO, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN, UH, THERE'S A GREEN SPACE OUT FRONT TO THE SIDE. 
          IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING TO THE LEFT, UM, THAT HAS A FEW PICNIC BENCHES, BUT COULD ALSO BE, UH, UM, UPDATED, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO? YES. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I MEAN, WE WANT TO TAKE THE, THE KIND OF THE LANDSCAPING AND, AND ELEVATED UP, UH, TO WHERE IT IS THE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU PULL INTO IT, WE WANT IT TO BE THE LANDSCAPING TO BE AS IMPRESSIVE AS THE BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE REFUGE AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, THE TRASH CAN 'CAUSE IT'S AROUND THAT CORNER. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU THINK YOU WOULD GET TO OR THAT, IS THAT THE ONE THAT SITS OUT FRONT? IT'S, IT'S IN THE BACK, BUT IT'S, IT'S AGAIN, OR, UM, IF YOU'RE FACING THE BUILDING, IT'S, IT'S AROUND THE CORNER TO THE LEFT. 
          AND, AND WHILE, WHILE THESE ARE IMPORTANT TOPICS, THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS VERY LIMITED PURVIEW. 
          SO THE, THE ITEM UNDER CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING IS, IS VERY LIMITED. 
          IT'S THE TEXT MODIFICATION TO ALLOW THE PARTICULAR USE. 
          SO WE DO WANNA STAY FOCUSED ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. 
          AND, AND, AND WE ARE AWARE OF THAT THRASH AND CODE. 
          THE NEIGHBORS BROUGHT IT UP AS WELL. 
          SO WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT. 
          I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          WE USE AN OXFORD COMMA IN ONE CASE, BUT NOT IN THE OTHER. 
          CAN WE ADD THE OXFORD COMMA OR TAKE IT OUT ? SO JUST A LINE OR, I WAS WAITING. 
          I WAS WAITING. 
          CERTAINLY I MISSED THE PUNCTUATION. 
           NEW LANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, SO IT, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION IF WE COULD ADD THAT BACK IN. 
          YES. 
          OVERSIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE OPEN UP FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM BEFORE THE COMMISSION DELIBERATES? SEEING NONE, JENNY, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, PROPOSAL FOR AN ADMIT AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          UH, THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF FOR APPROVAL. 
          THIS IS LIMITED. 
          COULD YOU PUT THE TEXT MODIFICATION UP FROM EARLIER JUST SO WE CAN SEE IT? SO IT'S THAT, THAT AFTER THE, AND BEFORE TELEVISION. 
          SO WE HAVE THE OXFORD COMMA BETWEEN MANUFACTURING AND, AND THEN WE LOSE IT BETWEEN AND, AND TELEVISION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          KEEPER OF THE COMMA. 
          KEEPER OF THE COMMA. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
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UH, THE CERTIFICATE, RIGHT? YES. 
          YES. 
          WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION WITH NOTES AS MADE THIS EVENING. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. WAY. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. ALEXANDER. 
          MS. BE MR. CHEN? YES. 
          MR. DESLER? YES. 
          MS. HARDER? YES. 
          MR. ALEXANDER? YES. 
          MR. WE APPROVE. 
          MR. GARVIN? YES. 
          MS. CALL? YES. 
          THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. 
          WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS PROGRESS. 
          AND THIS IS, THIS IS EXCITING. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, UH, NAME ANOTHER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN THE STATE OF OHIO, WHO HAS EVER, AND WHO THEORETICALLY IN THE FUTURE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN SUCH ACTION. 
          IT IS EXCITING AND WE CERTAINLY WELCOME YOU TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING GREAT PARTNERS. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, NEXT ON OUR 
          [Development Review Process]
AGENDA IS COMMUNICATIONS DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. 
          MS. ROUSH, I'LL TURN SOME TIME OVER TO YOU. 
          UM, I GUESS I WILL DEFER THAT TO A, THAT SHOULD BE FOR A LATER DISCUSSION. 
          UM, THE ONLY NOTE RELATED TO THAT WOULD BE WE PROVIDED A SURVEY, UM, ABOUT STAFF REPORTS. 
          SO IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO FILL THAT OUT BEFORE, I'LL RESEND THAT LINK JUST SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AT OUR, ONE OF OUR UPCOMING MEETINGS ABOUT THAT. 
          SO THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM RELATED TO THAT. 
          UM, FOR THE REVIEW DATE OR THE REVIEWING OF THE MEETING DATES, I PUT THE REMAINING DATES IN YOUR ONEDRIVE, UM, FOR EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO ISSUES OR IF THERE ARE ISSUES, PLEASE TELL ME THERE ARE. 
          SO I KNOW AND WE CAN MAKE CHANGES OR KNOW ACCORDINGLY. 
          CAN WE PUT THE MEETING DATES AS A VOTING ITEM ON OUR NEXT AGENDA SO THAT THE COMMISSION HAS TIME TO GO BACK, REVIEW THE DATES, WE HAVE THREE NEW COMMISSION MEMBERS, AND THEN COME FORWARD AND RE-DO THOSE, UH, SHOULD THERE BE ANY CHANGES OR SHOULD THERE NOT BE ANY CHANGES, ADOPT THOSE FOR THE REMAINING PORTION? SURE. 
          MR. BOGGS, DO YOU SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT? OKAY. 
          NO, THE ONLY, YEAH, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE. 
          I'M HAPPY TO INCLUDE THAT, UM, FOR YOUR SEPTEMBER MEETING. 
          SO THE ONE ITEM, WHICH AGAIN, HOPEFULLY YOU ALL WERE CONTACTED ABOUT IS THAT JOINT WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 16TH. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T RESPONDED OR LET US KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE FOR THAT MEETING, I WOULD APPRECIATE, UM, KNOWING THAT. 
          SO PLEASE, PLEASE LET US KNOW. 
          UM, OTHERWISE THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR, FOR THAT ITEM. 
          AND THEN IN YOUR ONEDRIVE, I ALSO INCLUDED THE CITY MANAGER DOES A MONTHLY UPDATE TO COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY FOR THAT MATTER. 
          UM, AND IT'S BASICALLY ALL DIVISIONS REPORTING ON WHAT PROJECTS AND THINGS ARE HAPPENING THAT WE KEEP TABS ON. 
          AND IT'S AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE, BUT WE WERE DISCUSSING IT, UM, IN OUR PRE AGENDA MEETING AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT BIG, BIG THINGS THAT HAPPEN AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE YOU'RE ALL INFORMED OF THAT. 
          SO I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT WOULD BE EASY TO JUST SAVE THAT IN THE FOLDER FOR Y'ALL TO HAVE AS A REFERENCE. 
          SO I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER TO DO THAT. 
          UM, IT'S USUALLY AVAILABLE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE, OF THE MONTH. 
          SO, UM, AUGUST IS IN THE FOLDER FOR YOU ALL TO LOOK AT. 
          SO IT'S PRETTY DETAILED. 
          UM, DOCUMENT, AGAIN, IT'S EVERY DIVISION IN THE CITY AND WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, COUNCIL GOALS, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT, UM, METRICS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE, UM, FOR, FOR US, BUT FOR YOU ALL AS WELL, JUST TO KEEP TABS ON THAT. 
          SO, UM, SO THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER ITEM THAT I HAD. 
          SO, UM, I, I WAS CONTACTED ON FRAUD TRAINING, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION RECEIVED THAT, BUT WE DO, WE ARE REQUIRED TO UNDERGO AGAIN, FRAUD TRAINING. 
          THAT IS A TRI-ANNUAL I THINK SO THINK SO. 
          IT LIKE 15 MINUTES. 
          YOU CAN DO THIS. 
          YES, MY FRIENDS AT THE STATE GOVERNMENT HAVE PRODUCED AND MANDATED THIS VIDEO. 
          WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, AND THEN FOR THE COMMISSION, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT CAME OUT BETWEEN OUR, UH, CITY COUNCIL LIAISON AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS WAYS TO BETTER UTILIZE THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN. 
          SO ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS FOR, UH, AGENDAS WHERE WE DON'T END AT 9 35 BUT END AT SOMETIME EARLIER THAN 9 35. 
          UM, PICKING ROTATING THROUGH THE COMMISSION MEMBERS TO PICK ONE TOPIC TO PRESENT TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION. 
          10 MINUTE TYPE TRAINING ON, UH, THE ITEM FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND HOW TO UTILIZE THAT. 
          SO FOR INSTANCE, TONIGHT WE HAD THE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          NEIGHBORHOOD, THANK YOU. 
          UH, MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, DESIGN STANDARD. 
          AND SO GOING THROUGH MAYBE DEFINITIONS OF WHAT'S IN THERE, WHAT THE IDEAL TYPE, DEFINING THOSE IMAGES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO WANTED FEEDBACK FROM THE REST OF THE COMMISSION AS TO HOW YOU FELT. 
          WE WOULD ROTATE THROUGH ASSIGNMENTS AND OF COURSE, SHOULD A MEETING RUN LONG, WE WOULD DEFER THAT FOR A DIFFERENT DAY. 
          BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE TOOLS AND ARE ABLE TO USE THE TOOLS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO US. 
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SO I SEE THREE HEAD NODS. 
          I CAN COUNT TO FOUR, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO COUNT TO FOUR YET, SO, OKAY. 
          I SAW FOUR . 
          YEAH. 
          MAY I ASK, UM, IS IT THAT LIKE YOU'RE SPENDING FIVE MINUTES, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVING A TUTORIAL ABOUT IT AND THEN IT'S QUESTIONS THE OTHER FIVE MINUTES? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? YES. 
          SO, UH, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WAS, UH, YOU AS THE PRESENTER PICK THE TOPIC, EMAIL IT TO STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN SEND THE, THE OTHER SIX INDIVIDUALS ON THE COMMISSION, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT, TO GIVE THE REST OF THE COMMISSION OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK THROUGH AND COME PREPARED WITH QUESTIONS. 
          AND THEN THE ONE PERSON JUST F FACILITATES THE DISCUSSION. 
          SO IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE COMMISSION, I WILL VOLUNTEER AS THE FIRST PRESENTER. 
          JUST AGAIN, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR MORE THAN 10 MINUTES, BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, UH, USEFUL OF OUR TIME THAT MAKES US, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE OUR SKILLS AT THE END OF IT AND IS NOT JUST ANOTHER WAY TO SPEND AN EXTRA 10 MINUTES ON A THURSDAY EVENING. 
          MR. WE AND I WOULD SAY THAT INCLUDES THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN CORRECT. 
          ALSO, WHICH IS A PART OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD INFORMATION IN THAT, LIKE SETBACKS FROM MAJOR ROADS, , LIKE WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT. 
          SO, AND THERE'S EVEN A TABLE THAT AS IT ALL SUMMARIZED AND IT EVEN TELLS YOU WHEN ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ARE GONNA HAPPEN OVER THE COURSE OF WHATEVER, 10 YEARS, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE ROADS ARE GONNA BE BUILT. 
          AND SO IT'S JUST, IT'S REALLY GOOD TO KNOW WHAT'S COMING THROUGH THAT DOCUMENT. 
          AND STAFF CAN BE A RESOURCE TOO, SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE FLYING BLIND HERE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE HERE. 
          I'M ASSUMING STAFF'S GONNA BE THE ONE WHO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. 
          , NOT THE PRESENTER. 
          . 
          OH, THE HOW THE TURN. 
          YEAH, THE TURNTABLES HERE. 
          ALRIGHT, 
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WERE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR COMMUNICATION? MS, CAN I GO BACK TO THE OCTOBER 16TH DATE? UM, AND I TURNED IN MINE. 
          I WAS ALSO WANTING TO KNOW IF, IS, IS THAT A SET SET DATE AT THIS POINT NOW OR ARE YOU STILL, I ASSUMING THAT YOU CAN ALL BE THERE. 
          YES, I'VE, IF I DON'T HAVE A MAJORITY OF A RBI KNOW THEY'RE ALL AVAILABLE 'CAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO DO SOME OTHER, A TOUR THAT NIGHT. 
          SO IT'S REALLY MORE OF, IF I HAVE A MAJORITY OF EVERYBODY, THEN YES, THAT WOULD BE OKAY. 
          AND COUNCIL OKAY. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE THIS IS THE DAY YOU ALSO SAID YOU CAN'T, THEN I THINK COUNCIL WOULD NOT WANT TO DO IT THAT DAY, RIGHT? IT'S A WEDNESDAY. 
          IT'S A WEDNESDAY, YEAH. 
          NO, I, UH, I HAVE A CONFLICT, BUT OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SORRY. 
          THANKS. 
          SPENDING MORE TIME TOGETHER. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I HAD A, AS I DRIVE BY, UH, DRIVE BY HILLIARD DAILY, UM, I NOTICED A NEW DEVELOPMENT HILLIARD, IT CAME TO ME THAT I THINK WHILE THE DRIVE AROUND DUBLIN IS INCREDIBLY HELPFUL FOR US, I THINK IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL TO AT SOME POINT SEE OTHER COMMUNITIES AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING POORLY AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING WELL. 
          UM, JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I KNOW TIME IS OF THE ES YOU KNOW, TIME IS VALUABLE TO ALL OF US, BUT THAT WAS, I THINK THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL WHEN WE DROVE AROUND DUBLIN TOGETHER, TALKED THROUGH SOME THINGS. 
          BUT YEAH, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE, THAT IS THE MOST BENEFICIAL, I THINK, FOR EVERYBODY, NOT JUST TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN DUBLIN. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT'S PROBABLY, GIVEN THAT IT GETS REALLY DARK REALLY EARLY SOON HERE, THAT MIGHT BE A SPRINGTIME THING, BUT YES, WE, I DEFINITELY WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UM, AND WE CAN SCOUT SOME PLACES OR IF YOU HAVE IDEAS. 
          YEAH, I DEFINITELY THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME REALLY GREAT THINGS HAPPENING IN THE REGION. 
          SO YEAH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST HILLIER, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT IN COLUMBUS TO THE SOUTH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BUT IMMEDIATELY IS MM-HMM. 
           IS SCARY. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          DENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL WE CAN PROVIDE SOME, DENSE IS THE BETTER WORD. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANY FINAL COMMUNICATIONS ITEMS? ANYTHING ELSE? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MR. WAY? MEETING ADJOURNED.
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