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EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES AT THIS TIME.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR ROLL CALL.
MR. WE HERE MS. CALL HERE AND MR. DESLER.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE JULY 11TH AND JULY 18TH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS.THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN PLANNING A PROPERTY AND REZONING ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING BODY, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER OF EVENTS FOR THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL FIRST PRESENT THEIR CASE, UH, FOLLOWED BY A STAFF ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION, AFTER WHICH THE COMMISSION WILL ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.
THIS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THE COMMISSION DELIBERATES ON ANY CASE.
ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD, UH, AT THE TIME OF THE THE CASE, AND ANYONE MUST, ANYONE COMMENTING ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN AT THIS TIME.
IF YOU PLAN TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? I DO.
AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE OUR FIRST CASE,
[Case #24-079INF]
24 DASH SEVEN NINE INF.THIS IS DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS, CARDINAL HEALTH, INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK ON A PROPOSED REZONING DISTRICT AT A SCHOOL AS A PERMITTED USE TO AN EXISTING PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THE, THE APPROXIMATELY 31 AND A HALF ACRE SITE IS ZONED PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT MCKITTRICK, AND IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 550 FEET SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND MCDIVITT DRIVE.
TURN THE TIME OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
IF YOU COULD PRE PLEASE PRESS THE BUTTON.
AND THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION FOR GRANTING US THIS TIME.
MY NAME IS JOHN MARSH HOUSE AND I'M THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE DUBLIN CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE CARDINAL HEALTH BUILDING, WHICH IS CURRENTLY JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM OUR EMERALD CAMPUS.
UH, OVER THE NEXT EIGHT TO 10 YEARS, WE ANTICIPATE 2000 MORE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, AND THAT IS A ENROLLMENT PROJECTION BY WALPERT, WHICH IS A PROFESSIONAL ENROLLMENT PROJECTION FIRM.
THAT MEANS BY, WITH OUR CURRENT SEVENTH GRADE CLASS, WE WILL HAVE THE ADDITION OF AN ENTIRELY NEW SCHOOL THE SIZE OF DUBLIN KAUFMAN HIGH SCHOOL.
AS WE LOOK AT OUR DISTRICT, WE'RE GROWING AT ABOUT 345 STUDENTS PER YEAR.
WE WILL OPEN BISHOP ELEMENTARY IN THE FALL OF 2025, AND THAT BUILDING WILL BE OVER CAPACITY WHEN WE OPEN THE BUILDING.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE MODULAR CLASSROOMS AT EVERSOL RUN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ABRAHAM DEPP ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THOSE MODULARS ARE GONNA BE THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
WE'VE RECENTLY DONE FOCUS GROUPS WITH 23 GROUPS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN FROM THOSE FOCUS GROUPS IS TAX FATIGUE.
WE WERE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER, 2023, PASSING BY APPROXIMATELY 300 VOTES OUT OF 36,000 VOTES CAST.
WE RECEIVE ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER STUDENT FROM THE STATE OF OHIO.
THE REMAINING $14,000 OF EXPENSES PER PUPIL ARE BORN BY THE TAXPAYERS WITHIN THE DUBLIN CITY SCHOOL
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DISTRICT.THIS PAST JANUARY, CARDINAL HEALTH APPROACH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT POTENTIALLY USING THEIR WEST CAMPUS BUILDING AS AN EDUCATIONAL SPACE.
WE HAD PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN WITH CARDINAL HEALTH ABOUT ANOTHER BUILDING THAT IS IN THEIR PORTFOLIO THAT UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S SEVEN STORIES TALL AND WE CAN ONLY USE THE FIRST FIVE STORIES FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES.
AS WE TALKED WITH CARDINAL HEALTH, WE SETTLED ON A PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR APPROXIMATELY $37 MILLION FOR THAT BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY BY CONSERVATIVE COSTS.
TO BUILD A NEW HIGH SCHOOL THAT IS 250,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD COST OVER $200 MILLION.
THE COST OF SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION IS SUCH THAT WHEN BISHOP ELEMENTARY IS FINISHED, IT WILL COST DOUBLE WHAT HOPEWELL ELEMENTARY COSTS TO BUILD.
AND THAT WAS JUST OPENED IN 2020.
AS WE LOOK AT THE FACILITY AND THE FURNISHINGS THAT CARDINAL HEALTH IS LEAVING AND TECHNOLOGY THAT CARDINAL HEALTH IS LEAVING WITH APPROPRIATE ZONING AND CODE CHANGES, THE BUILDING IS ALMOST TURNKEY AS AN EDUCATIONAL SPACE FOR US.
THE FOCUS GROUPS ALSO LOOKED AT SEVERAL OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE COULD DO AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT.
OBVIOUSLY AS A COMMUNITY, THE PREFERENCE IS A BRAND NEW HIGH SCHOOL ON 80 ACRES WITH ALL OF THE AMENITIES, BUT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO PAY MORE TAXES.
SO AS WE LOOK AT WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AS WE GAIN STUDENTS, KEEPING IN MIND OUR TAXPAYER NEEDS, MANY OF WHOM ARE THE SAME TAXPAYERS THAT SERVE THE CITY OF DUBLIN, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OPTIONS THAT ALLOW US A FISCAL OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SPACE FOR A GROWING STUDENT POPULATION.
THE BOND THAT WAS PASSED IN 2023 GRANTS US THE BONDED AUTHORITY TO ISSUE AN ADDITIONAL $40 MILLION IN DEBT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO PURCHASE THIS BUILDING WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THE VOTERS FOR ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.
IF THIS BUILDING IS PURCHASED BY THE DISTRICT, AND ZONES AND CODES ALLOW US TO DO SO AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR USE WITH THAT BUILDING, WE'D ANTICIPATE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO EMERALD CAMPUS.
WE WOULD ANTICIPATE AN EARLY COLLEGE CAMPUS AWAY TO HAVE OVERFLOW FROM OUR OTHER BUILDINGS.
THE SITE ITSELF IN THE FUTURE GIVES US THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE IT A STANDALONE FOURTH HIGH SCHOOL.
THE SITE IN THE FUTURE COULD HAVE A FIELD HOUSE ADDED ONTO THE FRONT PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
THE BUILDING WAS BUILT TO HAVE AN ADDITION ON IT.
THE SITE ITSELF, WITH ITS PROXIMITY TO KAUFMAN HIGH SCHOOL, COULD ALLOW FOR SOME FIELD SHARING FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES.
AS WE LOOK AT THE SITE, THE CARDINAL HEALTH SITE HAS 1,283 SURFACE PARKING PLACES AT ITS HEIGHT.
WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS AT CAPACITY, THE PARKING LOT WAS FULL.
KAUFMAN HIGH SCHOOL HAS 679 PARKING SPACES.
SO AS WE LOOK AT TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND TRAFFIC FLOW, KAUFMAN HIGH SCHOOL HAS HALF THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE IN THAT CARDINAL HEALTH PARKING LOT.
WE WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE EVER USING MORE THAN 700 PARKING SPACES THERE.
WE ALSO, WITH OUR EMERALD CAMPUS AND ITS PROXIMITY, THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT CARDINAL HEALTH BUILDING WOULD ALLOW US TO DO SOME THINGS WITH TRAFFIC ON THAT SITE AS A WHOLE.
RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WERE TO GO IN AND OUT OF OUR MAIN ENTRANCE, IT'S AWFUL CLOSE TO KAUFMAN ROAD, GETTING LEFT OUT OF THEIR BACKS, THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT.
IF WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THAT AS A CAMPUS SPOT, IT WOULD MAKE THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR OUR STUDENTS.
FROM THE EMERALD CAMPUS SITE, WE ARE WORKING WITH BUILDING CODE OFFICIALS FROM THE STATE OF OHIO TO ASCERTAIN THE COSTS OF CODE CHANGES TO MOVE FROM TWO B TO TWO A, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO USE THAT FOR EDUCATIONAL SPACES.
AND AS WE COME BEFORE YOU TODAY, OUR GOAL AS A COMMUNITY PARTNER AND A TAXPAYER PAYER SUPPORTED ENTITY IS TO SEE IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN PREPARE FOR BEFORE A FORMAL APPLICATION PROCESS FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING.
AS I SAID, AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE, TAXES ARE VERY HIGH IN DUBLIN, AND WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO PASS OUR MOST RECENT LEVY WORKING TOGETHER.
IF WE CAN GET 250,000 SQUARE FEET THAT'S USABLE AS ACADEMIC SPACE, IT WOULD BE A OPPORTUNITY
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FOR US AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT AND AND COMMUNITY TO SAVE OUR TAXPAYERS OVER $150 MILLION.I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
WE'LL HOLD QUESTIONS AND, AND HAVE THOSE TOGETHER AFTER THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO HAVE A SEAT AND THEN WE'LL INVITE YOU BACK UP.
MR. SEL, WELCOME THIS EVENING.
I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.
UH, SO THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW TONIGHT.
SO THERE IS NO DETERMINATION REQUIRED.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING NON-BINDING FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.
UH, SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD, THIS WOULD BE A TWO STEP PROCESS, POTENTIALLY A ONE STEP WHERE WE'VE HAD THE FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMBINED WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING, UH, BEFORE.
SO AT MINIMUM, IT HAS TO BE ONE, UH, AT MOST TWO STEPS WITH THE PDP AND REZONING COMING BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO THE SITE IS 31.5 ACRES IN SIZE AND ZONE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IN THE MCKITRICK, UH, DEVELOPMENT SUB AREA TWO.
UM, THE SITE CURRENTLY HOLDS A FOUR STORY CORPORATE OFFICE BUILDING CONSTRUCTED IN 2007 AS AN ADDITION TO THE EASTERN HALF OF THE CARDINAL HEALTH CAMPUS.
UM, AS STATED, THERE ARE 12,000 OR 1,283 PARKING SPACES, TWO EXISTING ACCESS POINTS ON EMERALD PARKWAY.
ONE CURRENTLY SIGNALED, UH, THE NORTH FORK INDIAN RUN IS LOCATED TO THE EAST OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, UH, SURROUNDED BY HEAVILY WOODED AREA AND A STORMWATER BASIN.
AND THEN THERE IS A BUILDING CONNECTOR THAT CONNECTS BOTH OF THESE BUILDINGS, UH, FOR CURRENTLY CARDINAL HEALTH.
AND THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE PROXIMITY TO BOTH DUBLIN KAUFMAN AND EMERALD CAMPUS, WHICH WERE PREVIOUSLY SHOWN.
UH, SO THE CITY RECENTLY UNDER, UH, UNDERWENT A CHANGE WITH OUR COMMUNITY PLAN.
WHAT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN IS THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND THEN THE, UH, SPECIAL AREA PLAN FOR THIS AREA.
UH, SO THE GREEN START INDICATES WHERE THIS PROPOSAL IS LOCATED.
UH, SO THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THIS AREA IS SUBURBAN OFFICE.
UH, THIS HAS CHANGED FROM PREMIUM OFFICE, BUT GENERALLY THE INTENT IS THE SAME HERE.
UH, SO THE, UH, PLAN ITSELF STATES THAT THIS, THESE AREAS ARE INTENDED FOR MAJOR EMPLOYMENT AND INSTITUTIONAL CENTERS.
PRIMARY USES INCLUDE OFFICE, MEDICAL OFFICE, HOSPITAL, INSTITUTIONAL AND EDUCATIONAL CAMPUSES.
UH, IF YOU LOOK, A LOT OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT HERE IN THIS AREA IS LOW TO MID-RISE BUILDINGS WITH AN EMPHASIS ON FRONTING TWO 70.
THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN HERE IS WITHIN THE, OR THE SITES WITHIN THE EMERALD CORRIDOR, WHICH IS A SPECIAL AREA WITHIN THE CITY.
UH, EMERALD CORRIDOR IS A MAJOR ARTERIAL FOR TRANSPORTATION IN THE CENTER OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN DUBLIN.
UH, THE PLAN ITSELF DOES PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGHOUT THIS SPECIAL AREA PLAN, AND THERE ARE TWO THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THE SITE.
THE FIRST ONE IS NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THAT DASH LINE ALONG TWO 70, AND THE INTENT OF THAT IS TO MAINTAIN HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURE AND LANDSCAPING ALONG TWO 70, UH, RESERVING FRONTAGE FOR JOB PRODUCING USES.
AND THEN THE SECOND IS NUMBER FOUR, UH, WHICH IS A CONNECTION UNDERNEATH TWO 70.
SO JUST SOME ITEMS TO, TO KEEP IN MIND AS ANY DEVELOPMENT COMES FORWARD IN THIS SPECIAL AREA.
UH, BACK IN 2017, SUB AREA ONE A WAS CREATED AND THAT WAS, UH, FOR THE CREATION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF EMERALD CAMPUS, UH, WHICH IS IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER OF THAT IMAGE.
UH, SUB EIGHT ONE A ONLY INCLUDES EMERALD CAMPUS, AND THAT WAS AN ENTIRE REZONING, UM, FOR THE 122 SQUARE FOOT, UH, CORPORATE OFFICE BUILDING ON 10.7 ACRES.
UH, AS IT WAS STATED, I WON'T GET INTO THIS AS THE APPLICANT DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THIS, BUT, UH, IT IS A NON-TRADITIONAL HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS GENERALLY SIMILAR TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT.
UH, THERE WAS A TRAFFIC ACCESS STUDY THAT WAS PROVIDED WITH THAT PROPOSAL, WHICH WAS BASED ON THAT AT THE TIME, WHAT THE, UM, EXPECTED OPERATIONS OF THAT BUILDING WERE.
HOWEVER, OVER TIME, THE, THE, UM, OPERATIONS OF THAT, THAT FACILITY HAVE CHANGED, UH, WHICH LED TO SOME INCREASES IN TRAFFIC THAT WERE MORE THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ANTICIPATED.
SO THE CITY AND, UH, THE SCHOOLS BOTH ENGAGED IN AN OPERATIONS STUDY BACK IN 2022 INVESTIGATE WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE NEEDED IN THIS AREA.
AND THEN THE APPLICANT, UH, PROVIDED A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE.
I DID JUST WANT TO MENTION AS WELL, WOULD THIS BEING INFORMAL, UH, THERE NOT A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION THAT HAS SHARED AT THIS STAGE, UM, THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S INFORMAL, BUT SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD TO THAT REZONING, UH, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY WHAT OPERATIONS ARE HAPPENING IN THIS BUILDING.
UH, WHAT POTENTIAL USES WOULD BE PERMITTED OR CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED HERE, ANY SITE OR BUILDING MODIFICATIONS THAT WOULD ALL BE INCORPORATED INTO A REZONING AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND THEN AS WELL, A TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE SUBMITTED
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WITH THAT FOR THE REZONING.SO THE PRIMARY QUESTION TONIGHT, UH, THAT STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON IS, UH, IS THE COMMISSION SO SUPPORTIVE OF A POTENTIAL REZONING TO PERMIT THIS, UH, USE IN THE EXISTING CORPORATE OFFICE BUILDING? UM, ALONGSIDE THAT ARE QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THE OPERATIONAL DETAILS, THE TRANSPORTATION DETAILS, AND THEN THE BUILDING AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
WHAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SHOULD THOSE MOVE FORWARD? UH, SHOULD ANYTHING BE PRESENTED IN THE FUTURE FOR THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MR. HEL LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR BOTH STAFF AND FOR THE APPLICANT.
MR. WE, SO I JUST HAVE, I, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT, AND THEY'RE KIND OF BACK AND FORTH, SO WE'LL SEE WHO IS BEST TO ANSWER THEM.
SO THE, THE ORIGINAL FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS PARCEL, AS WAS MENTIONED BY THE APPLICANT, INCLUDES A PHASE TWO AND ADDITIONAL 195,000 SQUARE FEET.
THAT CAPABILITY FOLLOWS WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THIS SITE, THAT THAT DOESN'T GO AWAY IF THERE'S ANY EXCHANGE OR CHANGE IN THE PROCESS.
IS THAT RIGHT? IT STAYS WITH THE PUD, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THAT, THAT PHASE TWO WAS INCLUDED AS PART OF CARDINAL HEALTH'S CARDINAL HEALTH'S EXPANSION.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD, BUT PARTS OF THAT PARKING PLAN DID GET IMPLEMENTED.
SO OBVIOUSLY ANY EXPANSION WOULD, THAT'S DIFFERS FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK, BUT THAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE PUD.
SO THAT SHOULD BE ALLOW ALLOWABLE, THAT STAYS WITH THE PUD.
IF I MIGHT TAKE THE QUESTION IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
IF, IF THEY CHOOSE TO, AND IF THE COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY COUNSEL IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A TEXT MODIFICATION TO THE, THE ADOPTED LAND USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL? MY UNDERSTANDING IS YES, THEY WOULD'VE TO COME BACK FOR THAT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO RE ADOPT REAPPROVE.
THE 195,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IS IN THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO IT WOULDN'T JUST BE FOR THE USE, IT WOULD ALSO BE FOR OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE YEAH, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT WOULD CAPTURE ANY BUILDING OR SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY COME FORWARD AT THAT TIME.
UM, BUT ALSO ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT.
AND, AND IS THERE, I'M JUST TRYING TO, IS THERE THE CAPACITY AND THE APPROVAL TO BUILD MORE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH HOOPS? IT'S JUST BY IF, IF THIS PROPERTY DID CHANGE HANDS, THAT THAT RIGHT.
TO BUILD MORE IS ALWAYS THERE AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND PART OF THE PUD, MR. BOGGS
JUST BECAUSE THE CURRENT VERSION DOES SHOW AN UNUSED OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THAT ADDITIONAL 195,000.
SO IT, IT REALLY WOULD DEPEND ON HOW THE ULTIMATE AMENDMENT IS MADE.
UM, AFTER THIS INFORMAL REVIEW, IF THE APPLICANT PROCEEDS WITH THE APPLICATION, THEN IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT UPON THEM TO PREPARE A DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT ADDRESSES THE USE THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
UM, IN ALL, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THAT WOULD CHANGE WHAT'S CURRENTLY CONTEMPLATED IN THE PUD FOR THIS PARCEL.
UM, AND, AND, AND IN ANY EVENT, IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATION HERE, APPROVAL BY COUNSEL, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WOULD COME BACK THROUGH THIS BODY BEFORE CONSTRUCTION WOULD START.
DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? UH, YEAH, I THINK IT'S HELPING ME.
THE, THE APPLICANT MENTIONED POTENTIALLY A FIELD HOUSE.
LIKE COULD, IS, COULD THAT BE CONSIDERED PART OF THE 195,000 SQUARE FEET OF ADDITIONAL SPACE, EVEN THOUGH IT IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SAYS OFFICE SPACE? IT DOESN'T SAY SO THAT, THAT TECH THAT RIGHT.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED.
BUT, BUT COULD THEY STILL HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BUILD MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE WITHOUT, I, I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD PRACTICE AT THE VERY LEAST TO, UM, ADDRESS THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
BECAUSE 195,000 FEET OF FIELD HOUSE SPACE IS MUCH DIFFERENT
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FROM RIGHT.ITS IMPACT THAN 195,000 FEET OF OFFICE.
WE COULD PUT IN OUR APPLICATION THAT ANY ADDITIONS TO THE BUILDING WOULD BE BROUGHT THROUGH THIS BODY.
WE COULD PUT THAT IN OUR APPLICATION.
SO TYPICALLY SPEAKING, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WHAT IS THE CODE, WHAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT ALL ALLOW, AND THEN WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES, WHAT ARE THE PLANS, WHAT ARE THE INTENTS? SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.
JUST WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS, IS IT MORE THAN JUST A BUILDING? IS IT DEVELOPMENT CAPABILITY TOO? THAT IS PART OF IT.
SO THANK YOU MR. I'M NEW AT THIS.
MY HOPE WAS AT AN INFORMAL HEARING, WE COULD GET SOME OF THIS STUFF SO THAT WE KNEW WHAT TO PUT IN OUR APPLICATION.
AS, AS A COMMUNITY PARTNER AND AS A PUBLIC ENTITY, MY HOPE IS WE CAN BE CONVERSATIONAL THROUGH THIS SO WE KNOW WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT COUNCIL'S LOOKING FOR, SO THAT AS WE WORK TOGETHER, AND THIS IS ALL TAXPAYER DOLLARS, THAT WE CAN ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE.
I, I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY HERE, SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF WHAT IS THIS INFORMAL REVIEW AND HOW DOES IT BOUNCE, HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO WHAT THE ADOPTED CODE IS? AND AS YOU MENTIONED, DUBLIN C CITY SCHOOLS IS A COMMUNITY PARTNER AND WAS PART OF THE ENVISION DUBLIN THAT WE WENT THROUGH FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS.
AND SO OF COURSE HAD A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND HAD, UH, INTERACTIONS WITH US EVEN ON A PERSONAL LEVEL OVER THE COURSE OF THAT TO ADOPT THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
SO LOOKING BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS, MR. WE, SO AGAIN, I I'M JUST TRYING TO DISCOVER A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT YOUR INTENTIONS ARE AND YOU'VE, IN YOUR NARRATIVE, YOU, YOU GAVE US A, A, A BROAD OVERVIEW.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE PARKING THAT'S THERE COMBINED WITH PARKING THAT'S AT KAUFMAN.
IS IT THE INTENTION THAT THAT PARKING, THE AMOUNT OF PARKING WOULD STAY ON THAT SITE? OR WOULD YOU SEE THE PARKING BEING RECONFIGURED AND LAND USED DIFFERENTLY? I THINK PART OF THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE USE OF THAT FACILITY BECOMES.
IF THAT DOWN THE ROAD BECOMES A FOURTH HIGH SCHOOL, WE DON'T NEED 1,287 PARKING SPACES.
THERE ARE PARTS OF THAT PARKING LOT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A PRACTICE SOCCER FIELD.
THERE ARE PARTS OF THAT PARKING LOT THAT COULD BE USED FOR GREEN SPACE.
SO WE, BY COMPARING TO KAUFMAN, THE COMPARISON WAS WE DON'T NEED 1,287 PARKING SPACES AT A HIGH SCHOOL WITH EVEN IF THERE WERE 2000 STUDENTS THERE.
I, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOUR COMMENT WAS, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE TRYING TO BE CUMULATIVE AND OH, WE HAVE ALL THIS PARKING NOW,
NO, NO, BUT I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS THE INTENTION.
BUT I THINK AS WE LOOK AT POTENTIAL TRAFFIC STUDIES AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT WAS THERE IN TERMS OF ADULTS DRIVING CARS TO WORK EVERY DAY PRE PANDEMIC, WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT THE KIND OF CARS ON EMERALD PARKWAY THAT CARDINAL PUT ON EMERALD PARKWAY WHEN BOTH THOSE BUILDINGS WERE FILLED.
AND, AND ONE LAST, UH, WELL, NOT LAST QUESTION, BUT AT LEAST FOR THIS ROUND
UM, SO THE CARDINAL HEALTH BUILDING IS A PURPOSE-BUILT HEADQUARTERS BUILDING DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR CARDINAL HEALTH.
AND UNLIKE A SPECULATIVE OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH IS USUALLY DESIGNED TO BE VERY FLEXIBLE AND CAN CHANGE AND HAVE MULTIPLE TENANTS, USUALLY A HEADQUARTERS BUILDING IS, IS PRETTY WELL, YOU KNOW, LOCKED DOWN IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S BEEN DESIGNED, HOW IT'S SERVING THAT, THAT COMPANY.
SO I, I WONDERED IF YOU HAD ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE, THE CHALLENGES OF TAKING A PURPOSE-BUILT HEADQUARTERS BUILDING AND, AND TURNING IT INTO A EDUCATIONAL FACILITY.
YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, BUT JUST SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.
WE WALKED THROUGH WITH OUR ACADEMIC TEAM AND ACTUALLY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND THE MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD AND THE WAY THE BUILDING'S CONFIGURED, IT WOULD BE RELATIVELY EASY WITH OFFICE CONSTRUCTION TYPE WALLS THAT DON'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE DECK TO CREATE IN EACH OF THOSE PODS CLASSROOMS. AND WITH CARDINAL LEAVING THEIR FURNITURE THERE, THERE ARE DESKS AND CHAIRS THERE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO WORK WITH THE MANUFACTURER TO CREATE CLASSROOM SPACES WITHIN THAT BUILDING AT A MINIMAL COST THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE FLOOR TO CEILING WALLS TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
THE OFFICES WOULD GIVE TEACHERS SPACE THAT THEY COULD HAVE MEETING SPACE WITH STUDENTS.
THERE'S LOTS OF SMALL GROUP SPACE, SO IT WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT THAN A TRADITIONAL SCHOOL, BUT THERE WOULD BE CLASSROOM SPACES THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WOULD EXPERIENCE IN A TRADITIONAL SCHOOL.
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A QUESTION? SURE.UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT LONG TERM POTENTIALLY HAVING THIS AS A FOURTH HIGH SCHOOL, IF THAT BECOMES THE CASE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY KAUFMAN THERE, EMERALD CAMPUS, THERE WERE, AS A CITY, YOU KNOW, GROWING AT A FAST PACE, BUT WITH ALL OF THOSE EDUCATIONAL UNITS FOR THE SAME AGE STUDENTS IN THE SAME PLACE, DO YOU THINK THAT THAT IS SERVING THE GROWTH AREAS, WHICH I THINK IN MY OPINION, TENDED TO BE ON THE PERIMETER AND THE JEROME SIDE, THAT AREA, DO YOU THINK LONG TERM THAT CONCENTRATION, UH, WOULD, WOULD REALLY FIT THE, THE FABRIC OF THE, THE LAYOUT OF THE CITY? I THINK WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THE REALITY OF PASSING ANOTHER LEVEE AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE PURCHASED AT A PRICE THAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND WE OWN A HUNDRED ACRES ON THE CORNER OF MITCHELL DEWITT AND INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY, UM, AT THE ROUNDABOUT THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED NOW.
UM, I DON'T SEE IN THE NEAR FUTURE US PASSING A WITH OUR TAXPAYERS THAT WOULD SPLIT JEROME HIGH SCHOOL INTO TWO SEPARATE HIGH SCHOOLS IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT.
SO I THINK, AND WE'RE GONNA DO, BEFORE WE PUT AN APPLICATION, BEFORE YOU WE'RE GONNA DO SCIENTIFIC POLLING IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE'RE GONNA DO SURVEYS COMMUNITY WIDE.
WE'RE COMMITTED TO SHARE OUR PLANNING NEXT INFORMATION WITH THE CITY OFFICIALS AND OUR SURVEY DATA WITH THE CITY OFFICIALS.
UM, AGAIN, AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THE, THE STUDY, WE SERVE THE SAME TAXPAYERS.
UH, I'M JUST NOT SURE THERE'S THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT AND OPERATING THAT FOURTH HIGH SCHOOL IN THE SHORT TERM IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT COST.
THIS ALLOWS US ROOM TO GROW WITH AN INVESTMENT WE CAN MAKE NOW AND FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE TO SEE WHERE THINGS CAN CONTINUE TO GO.
UM, SO MAYBE, I MEAN, I KNOW OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THE MOTIVATION HERE IS, IS TIED TO THE FINANCIALS OF IT, AND YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT LEVY FATIGUE.
CAN YOU GIMME SOME BACKGROUND, I GUESS IN YOUR ESTIMATION? WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT SIMPLISTICALLY AS UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT GROWS, THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE MOVING TO THE AREA.
DOESN'T THE TAX BASE GROW NATURALLY? WHAT ARE THE OBSTACLES THERE? BACK IN THE 1970S, THERE WAS A HOUSE BILL, NINE 20 WAS PASSED THAT ALL THAT MADE IT SO SCHOOL DISTRICTS COULDN'T CATCH THE INFLATIONARY GROWTH THAT TOOK PLACE IN COMMUNITIES.
IT, IT WAS AT A TIME OF HIGH INFLATION WHERE PROPERTIES WERE GOING UP, PROPERTY VALUES WERE INCREASING.
IN SCHOOL DISTRICTS WERE SEEING A WINDFALL.
SO WHAT WE SEE NOW IS WHEN WE PASS A LEVY, THE LEVY WILL NEVER BRING IN MORE THAN ON THE DAY THE LEVEE WAS PASSED.
SO THE LEVEES, BECAUSE OF SCHOOL FUNDING IN OHIO, THEY'RE CAPPED AT THE AMOUNT THAT IS PASSED ON THE DAY THAT IT WAS PASSED.
FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PASSED NOVEMBER WHEN WE PASSED 7.9 MILS, THAT 7.9 MILS WAS CERTIFIED ON THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY VALUES.
SO ALREADY WE'RE ONLY COLLECTING 6.4.
WE NEVER COLLECTED THE SEVEN NINE THAT OUR TAXPAYERS VOTED FOR.
'CAUSE THAT SEVEN NINE WAS GONNA GENERATE $35 MILLION WHEN EVERYONE'S PROPERTY VALUES WENT UP.
IN REAPPRAISAL IN TWO OF OUR THREE COUNTIES, WE STILL CAN'T GENERATE MORE THAN $35 MILLION.
SO INSTEAD OF COLLECTING 7.9 MILS, WE'RE COLLECTING 6.4 MILS.
SO DOES THAT INCLUDE GROWTH IN TERMS OF NEW HOUSING THAT WOULD COME IN? THAT NEW HOUSING GIVES US INCREMENTAL, BUT ONLY ON THE INSIDE MILLAGE.
SO AS WE LOOK AT HOW SCHOOLS ARE FUNDED, UM, IT IS DEFINITELY A CONCERN FOR DISTRICTS LIKE DUBLIN AND OLIN TANGY, WHO ARE THE TWO FASTEST GROWING SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN OHIO.
UM, AND AS WE LOOK AT THAT, IT'S WHY WE HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK IN ORDER TO, WE GET ADDITIONAL KIDS, WE DON'T GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
I, UM, I DO APPRECIATE THAT INSIGHT.
I THINK THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOWS SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS YOU WORK WITH.
UM, I GUESS MAYBE THIS IS FOR ZACH.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEING ZONED FOR OFFICE AS A, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PERKS OF THAT BEING THE VISIBILITY FROM TWO 70 TO ACT AS AN AD BASICALLY FOR EMPLOYMENT
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COMING IN.UM, AND I, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION.
DO YOU THINK THAT THERE'S ANOTHER PLACE THAT, THAT WOULD OCCUR TO REPLACE THE, THE OPPORTUNITY IT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED FOR? IS THERE ANYTHING COMPARABLE SPACE-WISE, THAT WOULD GIVE THAT EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY AND ENTICE THE COMPANY TO MOVE IN FOR THAT VISIBILITY? ARE YOU SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SCHOOL OR ALONG THAT INTERSTATE? NO, ALONG TWO 70.
UM, I, I GUESS MY POINT IS JUST THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF REMAINING SPACE THAT KIND OF OFFERS THAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO, TO FACE THAT MANY DRIVERS A DAY AND GET THAT MUCH EXPOSURE.
I, SO THE ENTIRETY OF THAT CORRIDOR RUNS FROM SAWMILL ROAD ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF DUBLIN AS WELL.
UM, ACTUALLY I THINK IT GOES TO, TO RINGS ROAD.
UM, SO IT CAPTURES THAT ENTIRE FRONTAGE, WHICH HAS EXISTING OFFICE, LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW, BUT IT ALSO HAS A LOT OF VACANT LAND.
SO THAT DESIGNATION IS CAPTURED ALONG THAT ENTIRE AREA.
UM, WHERE IT DOES HAVE, I CAN PULL UP THE, THE PLAN HERE, UM, ANYWHERE WHERE IS THAT SUBURBAN OFFICE IS WHERE THESE DESIGNATIONS ARE CONSIDERED.
UM, BUT ALSO WHERE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS COME INTO PLAY AS WELL WITH THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO, UH, CAPTURE THOSE, THOSE JOB PRODUCING USES.
SO I THINK THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF AREAS WHERE IT IS CAPTURING, UM, KIND OF THE INTENT OF WHAT YOUR, YOUR QUESTION IS ASKING HERE.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR NOW.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, UH, THE DEFINITION THAT THE CITY HAS FOR EDUCATIONAL CAMPUS IS THAT, UH, HIGHER EDUCATION COLLEGE, SO FORTH.
I'D BE HAPPY TO PULL UP THE DEFINITION IN OUR OKAY.
SO FOR EDUCATIONAL, WE DEFINE EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES FOR ZONING USES IN OUR ZONING CODE.
AND THAT DEFINITION READS A FACILITY OFFERING CLASSES, TRAINING COURSES, OR SKILL DEVELOPMENT TO THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES OR TO MEMBERS OF AN ORGANIZATION.
THIS USE INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO VOCATIONAL BUSINESS OR TECHNICAL SCHOOLS, TRAINING CENTERS, COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE AN ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE, OR HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS FOR ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS.
AND YOU SAID DOES NOT INCLUDE ELEMENTARY, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, MIDDLE, MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL.
AS WRITTEN IN, IN OURS CURRENTLY.
UM, SO KAUFMAN DOES HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM AT THIS POINT.
AND WOULD YOU SEE THAT BEING RESOLVED? UM, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG, BIG ROAD THERE, UM, ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD COME ABOUT BECAUSE STUDENTS DO PARK AND DRIVE AND SO FORTH.
AND HOW WOULD THAT BE RESOLVED SO THAT IT'S NOT THAT PROPERTY? I DON'T THINK THAT THIS, THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE USED FOR THAT.
WE DON'T USE EMERALD CAMPUS FOR THAT.
AND THERE ARE SPACES AVAILABLE IN EMERALD CAMPUS EVERY DAY.
KAUFFMAN STUDENTS HAVEN'T COME TO EMERALD CAMPUS.
UH, OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM IS KIDS WHO GO TO EMERALD CAMPUS FROM KAUFFMAN PLAYING FROGGER ON THE STREET.
UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T MADE EMERALD CAMPUS AVAILABLE FOR KAUFMAN STUDENTS AND I DON'T THINK WE WOULD MAKE THIS AVAILABLE FOR KAUFMAN STUDENTS.
AND THEN, UM, HOW WAS THE GROWING PAINS WHEN, WHEN EMERALD CAMPUS OPENED AND THE ADJACENT BUSINESS NEXT TO YOU? UH, THERE WAS A CONFLICT THAT WAS OCCURRING ABOUT, UH, BUSES GOING IN AND OUT OF THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, WHAT WERE THOSE GROWING PAINS THAT YOU'VE LEARNED FROM? AND, UM, I, I KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T CONNECT, BUT STILL IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU ALL WENT THROUGH IN A DIFFICULT TIME.
UM, I, I THINK THE GROWING PAINS OF HAVING A SCHOOL SITE NEXT TO A BUSINESS THAT HAS MORE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT ARE CARS GOING BOTH WAYS.
UM, THEY DIDN'T WANT BUSES ON THEIR SITE.
WE DO NOT ALLOW STUDENTS OR BUSES TO GO THROUGH THE SITE NEXT TO US AND GET TO THE STOPLIGHT.
AT THIS POINT, ALL TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF EMERALD CAMPUS COMES IN EITHER THE ONE-WAY ENTRANCE AND EXIT THAT IS, UH, AT THE WEST END OF THE PROPERTY
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OR GOES THROUGH THE MAIN ENTRANCE IN THE FRONT.MY UNDERSTANDING, AND JEFF STARK CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, ALL FOUR BUILDINGS ARE PART OF THE KIND OF PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT, UH, MAKE UP THE DECISION MAKERS HERE.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY PUTTING A ROAD BEHIND THE OTHER BUILDING THAT WOULD GET STUDENTS OUT TO THAT STOPLIGHT.
UM, IF WE HAD MORE YOU MEAN THE, I'M SORRY.
UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE EXISTING BUILDING? OKAY.
IF, IF, IF THERE WERE A WAY TO GET MORE STUDENTS TO THAT STOPLIGHT, WE WOULD DO THAT.
AND HAVING AN ADDITIONAL PARCEL HERE WOULD GIVE US SOME MORE LEVERAGE WHEN IT CAME TO MAKING THAT POTENTIAL.
THERE'S A LIGHT THERE THAT AT ONE POINT WAS USED TO EXIT ALL THOSE CARDINAL EMPLOYEES.
IF WE COULD USE THAT LIGHT TO EXIT STUDENTS FROM BOTH THE CARDINAL WEST BUILDING AND THE EMERALD CAMPUS, THAT WOULD BENEFIT EVERYBODY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT SIGNAL.
ANY COMMENTS WITH THE, THE POLICE, THEY'VE HELPED YOU IN THE PAST OF GUIDING PEOPLE OUT AT CERTAIN TIMES? YEAH, RIGHT.
WE'VE KNOCK ON WOOD LAST YEAR, UH, WE'RE GETTING BETTER AT IT.
OUR KIDS ARE GETTING BETTER AT IT.
UM, THE POLICE HAVE HELPED FROM TIME TO TIME AT DISMISSAL WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING THE BUSES OUT OF EMERALD AT THE END OF THE DAY.
BUT LAST YEAR WE DID NOT REQUIRE THAT ASSISTANCE FROM THE POLICE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF.
UH, I THINK IT'S GOTTEN BETTER SINCE WHEN IT FIRST OPENED.
WOULD THERE BE A POSSIBILITY OF ONE STUDENT BEING AT THREE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS IN ONE DAY? I, I WOULDN'T FORESEE THAT.
I WOULD FORESEE AS THIS OPEN SPECIFIC PROGRAMS BEING AT THESE BUILDINGS AND MAKING SURE THAT THE STUDENT, UM, THOSE SPECIFIC PROGRAMS WOULD BE A BIGGER PORTION OF THE STUDENT'S DAY.
AS WE LOOK AT WHAT PATHWAYS AND WHERE EDUCATION'S GOING FOR JUNIORS AND SENIORS, BECAUSE SOME OF THAT FEEL IS ALSO, UM, PEOPLE COMING AND GOING, I GOTTA HUSTLE BACK TO SCHOOL.
AND THEY MAY, YOU KNOW, GO A LITTLE FASTER.
AND DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE WA A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION WITH THAT STUDENT? IF YOU HEAR THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PULLED OVER OR, UH, HOW'S THAT BEEN OVER THE YEARS YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS? 'CAUSE WE WOULD BE INCREASING THAT AS WE, AS WE LOOK AT WHAT WE ASK OF STUDENTS, WE'VE ASKED THEM TO GROW UP A LOT MORE.
OUR JUNIORS AND SENIORS IN HIGH SCHOOL OPERATE AN AWFUL LOT LIKE FRESHMENS AND SO FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORES IN COLLEGE.
UM, OUR STUDENTS WHO GO TO THE OU CAMPUS FOR CLASSES FROM COLUMBUS STATE WHO GO TO OHIO STATE, WHO COME TO EMERALD CAMPUS, UH, THE MAJORITY OF OUR SENIORS ARE EARNING SOME SORT OF COLLEGE CREDIT WHILE THEY'RE IN HIGH SCHOOL.
AND A LOT OF THEM ARE GOING TO OTHER EDUCATIONAL SETTINGS OTHER THAN THEIR HIGH SCHOOL.
SO IN SOME WAYS WE'RE PREPARING THEM WITH MOM AND DAD AS PARTNERS IN WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE TO HAVE TO GET TO CLASS, TO HAVE DIFFERENT SCHEDULES, TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY AND HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE.
UM, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE HAD CHILDREN GO THROUGH THE, THE SYSTEM AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS YEAR IS IN THE FUTURE BACK TO AN EIGHT PERIOD DAY.
SO THERE'S MORE TIME AT LUNCH, WHICH ALLOWS STUDENTS TO GET TO THESE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES, BE IT AN INTERNSHIP AT AN EMPLOYER IN OUR CITY, BE IT EMERALD CAMPUS, BE IT COLUMBUS STATE AT THE OU CAMPUS.
UM, WE SEE A LOT OF KIDS GOING TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES AND TAKING ADVANTAGES OF ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES THIS COMMUNITY PROVIDES.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FIELD HOUSE IDEA, UM, I WAS THINKING OTHER THINGS COULD FIT ON THAT PROPERTY AS WELL AS WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING TOO.
BUT WHEN I THINK OF THE HISTORY, UH, OF, OF WHERE WE'VE KIND OF COME WITH THIS PROPERTY ALONG THE WAY, THEY REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME ABOUT HOW TO STICK IT IN THE BACK, YOU KNOW, LIKE SNUGGLE IT IN THE BACK AND SO FORTH.
MEANING, UH, MEANING THE PROPERTY THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO IF YOU WANNA PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THAT, THERE SURE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO, HOW TO PULL IT AWAY FROM THE MAIN STREET.
SO WOULD YOU BE INCLINED TO LOOK AT OTHER PLACES WHERE YOU WOULD PUT A FIELD HOUSE, MEANING ON THAT PROPERTY, BUT NOT SO MUCH UP AT THE FRONT? ONE OF THE BENEFITS TO THE DISTRICT WITH THIS PROPERTY IS OVER 31 ACRES.
UH, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE SITE AND HOW THAT SITE CAN BE USED, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE FIELDS THAT ARE STILL THERE, THE GREEN SPACE THAT'S TO THE WEST PART OF THAT CAMPUS, UH, WHERE, WHERE THEIR CURSOR IS NOW.
THERE, THERE ARE MANY OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
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FRONT RIGHT NOW WOULDN'T BE FAR FROM BEING ABLE TO JUST BE A FIELD.UH, SO THAT WHOLE, IT'S ALL EXPERTS WILL DESIGN A LOT BETTER THAN THE SUPERINTENDENT WHEN IT CAME TO WHAT, WHAT THAT WOULD BE USED FOR AND HOW WE COULD BEST WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MET DUBLIN STANDARDS AND IT FIT INTO THE CITY'S PLANS.
UM, REMIND ME AGAIN, HOW MANY, UM, FLOORS CAN YOU USE ON DAY ONE BECAUSE IT'S STATE OF OHIO HAS, UH, A CRITERIA ON THAT OF EDUCATIONAL? WELL, THE BUILDING HAS BEEN DEEMED TO BE FOUR STORIES.
WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH CODE TO BE ABLE TO USE THE FOURTH FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING.
SO IT'S JUST LIKE AT EMERALD WE HAD TO ADD A STAIRCASE SO THAT WE COULD USE THE FIRST THREE FOR STUDENTS.
AND THEN THE FOURTH IS ADMINISTRATIVE.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MR. STARK AND OUR TEAM WOULD BE DOING IS WORKING WITH CODE OFFICIALS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THE RIGHT EGRESS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT BUSINESS SPACE VERSUS SCHOOL SPACE, THEY ANTICIPATE HIGHER DENSITY FROM SCHOOL.
SO WE KNOW THAT THERE'S ALSO WORK AHEAD WITH CODE OFFICIALS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BUILDING IS USABLE FOR US IN, IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS US, ALLOWS US TO MAXIMIZE THIS INVESTMENT.
SO I'M HEARING THAT CORRECTLY.
FIRST THREE FLOORS, DAY ONE, AND, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO MANIPULATE OR WORK WITH THE BUILDING? NO, UH, JEFF OR YOU COULD JEFF DAY, DAY ONE WE COULD DO ALL FOUR 'CAUSE WE WOULD MAKE SURE WE MET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS TO USE OFF BOARD FOUR BECAUSE OF HOW IT DEPICTS DOWN.
DO YOU KNOW JEFF STARK? HE'S OUR CHIEF OPERATION OFFICER.
CHIEF, IF YOU COULD PLEASE INTRODUCE STATE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR JEFFREY STARK, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER FOR THE DISTRICT 63 71 SHIRE RINGS ROAD.
IT, OUR INTENT IS IT'S A TWO-PRONG PROCESS.
ONE IS WE NEED TO GET ZONED AND WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, 'CAUSE WE HAVE A 12 MONTH KIND OF DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD WITH CARDINAL.
SO DURING THAT 12 MONTHS, WE'RE WORKING ON THE ZONING PIECE AND THEN WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, CARDINAL AND BUILDING OFFICIALS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO USE THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
BECAUSE THIS WOULD ONLY WORK IF WE CAN USE ALL FOUR FLOORS.
SO AS A SEPARATE PATH WE'RE WORKING ON WITH STATE BUILDING, UH, OFFICIALS ON IF WE NEED VARIANCES OR WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE THAT WORK.
SO IT'S STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT OUR INTENT WOULD BE DAY ONE, WE WOULD HAVE THE BUILDING OUTFITTED WITH AS MANY, UH, NEW RESTROOMS, STAIRCASES, UH, UH, UH, DIFFERENT ADDITIONAL FIREPROOFING IF NECESSARY TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR STUDENTS.
SO ON DAY ONE, OR TO MAKE THIS ALL WORK, YOU NEED ALL FOUR FLOORS? YES.
TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT WORK, WE WOULD NEED ALL FOUR FLOORS.
MR. I JUST HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I CAME UP AS YOU WERE DESCRIBING, UH, STUDENTS, UH, AND PARTNERSHIPS THAT YOU HAVE WITH OU AND COLUMBUS STATE, UM, OU HAS A HUNDRED ACRES
AND COLUMBUS STATE IS THERE ALSO, THINKING OF UNIQUE PARTNERSHIPS, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF A PARTNERSHIP ON THAT CAMPUS TO THIS IS AN OPPOR THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT CAME UP, WHICH SIGNIFICANTLY IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION.
IF THIS WERE TO NOT WORK OUT, THEN YEAH, WE WE'RE WILLING TO LOOK AND TALK, UH, AT OPTIONS THAT BEST SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, WHEN CARDINAL APPROACHED US WITH THIS AT THIS COST, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO EXPLORE AND SEE IF IT'S POSSIBLE JUST BECAUSE, AND I DON'T, IT'S A GREAT INVESTMENT AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR.
UM, OUR COMMUNITY PLAN COMING OUT OF ENVISION DUBLIN CONTEMPLATES, UH, JOB GENERATING OPPORTUNITIES, HAVE WE MADE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT ALONG THE TWO 70 CORRIDOR? I DON'T KNOW IF, IF WE'VE MADE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.
I IT'S A VERY GENERAL TERM, VERY BROAD TERM, AND I THINK IT'S INTENDED TO BE THAT.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SPEAK TOWARDS WHAT CLASSIFIES AS, AS THAT IT'S UP FOR INTERPRETATION.
UH, IN THE PAST, THE, THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY HAS SEEN RESIDENTIAL APPLICATIONS ALONG THE TWO 70 CORRIDOR.
UH, THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED HAS THE USES AND ONE OF THOSE IS EDUCATIONAL USE.
UH, WERE THERE ANY PARCELS THAT WERE UNDEVELOPED AND NOT COVERED BY MORE RESTRICTIVE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IN THE SUBURBAN OFFICE SPEAKING TOWARDS THE EMERALD CORRIDOR? CORRECT.
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JUST LOOKING THROUGH THIS AT THE MOMENT, I, I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING, BUT I'M HAPPY TO, TO KEEP LOOKING THROUGH THIS.UH, I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL OF MY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN DELIBERATION? SEEING NONE.
UH, HAS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT BEEN RECEIVED? MR. HANSEL, WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, UH, WE WILL ENTER INTO OUR DELIBERATION PERIOD.
SO, UH, MR. WE, IF YOU COULD START US OFF THIS EVENING.
UM, VERY INTERESTING CASE HERE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE ALL ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS AND MOST OF US HAVE HAD CHILDREN GOING THROUGH ALL OF THEM.
UM, BUT I APOLOGIZE MR. WAY, IF I MIGHT INTERJECT.
UM, THE, THE STAFF HAS PROVIDED US OPPORTUNITY FRAMEWORK, INFORMAL REVIEWS, WE TEND TO TREAT PRETTY, UH, SIMILAR AS ONE ANOTHER.
MR. HELSEL, IF YOU COULD PRESENT, WE HAVE FIVE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS THAT KIND OF GUIDE US SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE CLEAR FEEDBACK ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, SEEING AS ANY ADDITIONAL ARE ALL, UM, UH, BASED ON NUMBER ONE, WE'LL TAKE NUMBER ONE AND THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE OTHERS.
SHOULD THERE BE A, SHOULD THERE BE POSITIVE INSIGHT FROM THE COMMISSION ON NUMBER ONE? AND I KNEW THAT BACK TO YOU AND I ALREADY KNEW THAT
THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS MY TASK.
SO, SO ANYWAY, UM, YEAH, SO AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY HUGELY SUPPORTIVE OF DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS, BUT WE AS A BODY HAVE TO, UM, SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY'S PLAN AND THE, THE VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO AS, AS WE LOOK THROUGH ALL THE DOCUMENTS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN, THE VISION, DUBLIN, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATING THIS SITE AS, UM, AS OFFICE, UM, AND AGAIN, THIS WHOLE NOTION THAT LAND ALONG TWO 70 IS THE MOST VALUABLE LAND IN THE CITY FOR EMPLOYMENT, JOB CREATING USES.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AT LARGE.
WE'VE HAD SOME, AS AS, UH, THE CHAIR SAID, WE'VE HAD PROPOSALS COME BEFORE US FOR USES THAT, THAT DIDN'T REALLY FIT INTO THAT LIKE RESIDENTIAL.
AND WE'VE BEEN VERY FIRM ON THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE, UM, THIS SITE, EVEN IN THE PREVIOUS COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH IS STILL UP ON THE WEBSITE, I DISCOVERED, UM, IN WHICH THIS SITE WAS ACTUALLY, UM, DESIGNATED AS, UM, MORE A MORE A HIGHER CLASS PREMIUM OFFICE AND INSTITUTIONAL, RIGHT? THIS WAS EVEN A HIGHER CLASSIFICATION THAN THE REST OF THE OFFICE ALONG.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE THAT TO NOTE AND THE LANGUAGE AROUND THAT PREMIUM OFFICE WAS THAT IT WOULD, UH, SUPPORT INSTITUTIONAL USES INTENDED FOR LARGE SCALE FACILITIES SUCH AS MAJOR HOSPITALS AND UNIVERSITIES.
AND AGAIN, SO AGAIN, THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS COMMUNITY PLAN.
IT'S NOW BEEN UPDATED AND IT TALKS ABOUT EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES.
BUT I GO ABOUT BACK TO THAT BECAUSE WHEN MOUNT CARMEL CAME BEFORE US, IT WAS SITTING IN A, IN A SITE THAT WAS ALSO IN THE SAME CLASSIFICATION.
AND SO IT WAS THIS, UM, STRUGGLE TO UNDERSTAND, IS THAT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF CREATING JOBS, EMPLOYMENT, AND ALL OF THAT? AND ALSO MEETING THE OTHER LETTERS OF THE LAW.
AND WE APPROVED THAT PROJECT BECAUSE WE FELT THAT IT DID.
SO, UM, AS, AS UPHOLDER OF THE PREVIOUS COMMUNITY PLAN AND THIS COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, I THINK THAT REALLY, UH, STANDING STRONG ON THE USES ON THIS SITE, UM, CARDINAL HEALTH HAS BEEN A GREAT, UH, PART OF THIS SITE.
UM, THEIR EXPANSION OBVIOUSLY REINFORCES THE WHOLE OFFICE.
UM, I HAVE TO SAY THAT IT'S ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE NICEST CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS IN THE CITY AND, AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF IT.
AND THE VISIBILITY THAT YOU GET FROM THE HIGHWAY, THAT WAS THE WHOLE INTENT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND THE ABILITY THAT, THAT THERE IS TO ACTUALLY EXPAND ON THAT IN THIS DISTRICT, CREATE MORE OF THOSE TYPES OF USES.
UM, I I THINK THAT THIS, THAT WE WOULD WANT TO STAND STRONG IN ENSURING THAT WE PRESERVE LAND LIKE THIS FOR THOSE, UM, OFFICE TYPE USES, THE CORPORATE OFFICES, UH, JOB CREATING, UM, UH, USES FOR THE CITY AND REALLY HELPING WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, I WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE SCHOOLS, BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, I THINK, UM, AND ALL OF THE SITES ALONG, UH, TWO 70 THAT THE CITY HAS SET ASIDE FOR, UM, THOSE HIGHER END USES OF CORPORATE OFFICE AND, AND THE LIKE THAT, UH, I WOULD REALLY, UM, GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
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THANK YOU MR. BOY, MS. HARD, I WOULD ALSO, WE ARE IN DELIBERATION, SO WE'VE CLOSED THE OPEN DIALOGUE FOR THE MEETING.WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO REACH OUT TO STAFF AND HAVE DIALOGUE WITH THE STAFF AFTER THE ITEM.
UM, MR. BOGGS, OUR TRADITION HAS BEEN TO HAVE THE OPEN PERIOD, CLOSE THE OPEN PERIOD AND ENTER DELIBERATION.
IS THERE ANY, UM, RULE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DEVIATE FROM OUR STANDARD? THE THERE IS NOT A RULE THAT WOULD REQUIRE CHANGING FROM THAT STANDARD.
IT WOULD, IT, IT'S A MATTER OF THE COMMISSION CONTROLLING THE MEETING.
UM, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE.
I THINK, UH, DUBLIN SCHOOLS DOES A WONDERFUL JOB, UH, WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UH, EVERY BUILDING THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER IS TOP NOTCH.
UM, THEY'RE GOOD STEWARDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND I THINK THAT IS, UH, WONDERFUL.
BUT HERE YOU ARE IN A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS, UM, REALLY NEEDS TO HAVE THAT THOUGHT PROCESS DONE SO THAT WE DON'T GIVE UP SOMETHING THAT, UH, SHOULD BE AN ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR DUBLIN.
ALSO, THE ON TWO 70, UH, THAT WAS, THAT'S A BIG LAR A BIG CONVERSATION THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN THAT DIRECTION AS WELL TOO.
UM, I THINK IF WE, UM, MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION, IT REALLY STARTS TO TURN EVERYTHING INTO, UH, THAT, UH, THAT AREA INTO LIKE A CIVIC COMMUNITY THAT THIS WOULD BE THE FOURTH, REALLY THE FOURTH SCHOOL THAT WOULD BE IN THAT ALL THE WAY THROUGH EMERALD, UM, PARKWAY.
AND THAT CHANGES THE DIRECTION OF PROBABLY WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND SO FORTH, HAS SPENT SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE BEST ALTERNATIVES FOR THAT AS WELL TOO.
ALSO THE HISTORY, UH, WHEN I'M READING BACK ABOUT THAT AS WELL TOO, IT REALLY WAS DEVELOPED FOR WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND, UM, IT HAS, UM, THEY REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME MAKING SURE THAT, UH, IT FIT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE AROUND THERE, THE EXISTING SCHOOLS AND SO FORTH.
UM, AND UM, I THINK WITH THAT PURPOSE IS I WOULD, UM, BE CONCERNED ABOUT MOVING FORWARD.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. CARBON.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO, UH, EXPRESS FAITH IN THE DUBLIN SCHOOL DISTRICT AND APPRECIATION FOR THE JOB YOU GUYS DO THERE.
I THINK YOU DO A GREAT JOB OF WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND, AND OF EDUCATING OUR CHILDREN.
UM, AS A USER OF DUBLIN SCHOOLS AND AS A TAXPAYER, I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE VALUE THIS OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS, UM, FROM A COST SAVING PERSPECTIVE AND, AND, UH, POTENTIALLY AS A SOLUTION TO EASE SOME OF THE CAPACITY ISSUES THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO.
UM, BUT I WOULD AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MADE IN THAT FROM A USAGE PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T THINK IT'S WHAT'S ON THE VISION.
I THINK THAT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM THE SPACING ISN'T IDEAL.
UH, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IDEAL AND THEN WHAT WE CAN AFFORD, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO A POTENTIAL TO SEE A GREAT DEAL THAT CREATES ALMOST HANDCUFFS FOR THE WAY THAT THE DISTRICT GROWS GOING FORWARD AND HOW THAT THOSE SPACES ARE USED.
UM, SO, SO GENERALLY, UH, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF KEEPING THE ZONING AS IT IS.
UM, THAT SAID, UH, I I WOULD JUST COMMENT THAT IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE EFFORTS TO CONNECT THOSE THREE CAMPUSES OF ALMOST IDENTICAL USE, WHETHER IT'S AN ELEVATED WALKWAY OVER EMERALD OR SOMETHING, RATHER THAN HAVING THREE ADJACENT BUT DISTINCT AREAS ACCOMPLISHING BASICALLY THE SAME MISSION.
UM, BUT, BUT THOSE WOULD BE MY GENERAL COMMENTS AT THIS STAGE.
WE CERTAINLY ADMIRE THE, THE EFFORTS TO LOOK OUT FOR THE WELLBEING OF OUR STUDENTS AND OUR TAXPAYERS.
UH, WE ALSO EMPATHIZE WITH THE REALITY OF A POST COVID WORLD WHERE OFFICE SPACE GOES UN UNDERUTILIZED ACROSS WELL THE WORLD.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, OUR, YOU, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT ECONOMIC DRIVERS AND THAT SORT OF THING, THAT THIS BODY, WHILE THAT IS ONE LAYER ABSTRACTED, THIS BODY'S PRETTY BLACK AND WHITE, WE LOOK AT COMMUNITY PLANS, WE LOOK AT WHAT IS PERMITTED IN THE CODE, WHAT, WHAT WAIVER OPPORTUNITIES THERE ARE.
THIS ONE REQUIRES A REZONE THAT IS NOT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THIS BODY.
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RECOMMENDATIONS IF WE SEE AMBIGUITY, IF WE SEE OPPORTUNITY, IF WE SEE THINGS LIKE THAT.BUT HAVING JUST GONE THROUGH ENVISION DUBLIN AND HAVING JUST ADOPTED THE COMMUNITY PLAN, MR. BOGGS, DOES IT GO INTO EFFECT AUGUST 1ST OR AUGUST 30TH? I THINK WE ARE, WE'RE RIGHT
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT ON THE CUSP.
AND I DON'T HAVE THE ORDINANCE AUGUST 1ST.
YEAH, SO WE, WE ARE EIGHT DAYS INTO THE PLAN TO RECOMMEND VIOLATING THE PLAN EIGHT DAYS IN AFTER HAVING 18 MONTHS OF PLANNING WHERE DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS WAS AT THE TABLE AND PLANNING RIGHT ALONG WITH US, UM, I DON'T THINK WOULD BE THE, THE, WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR.
WE LOOKED AT SUBURBAN OFFICE, WE LOOKED AT THE CURRENT UTILIZATION, WE CALLED OUT EDUCATIONAL USES BECAUSE THEY WERE THERE AND THEN SAID, HEY, THE REST IS PROGRAMMED.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO OTHER, YOU KNOW, WAY TO SLICE AND DICE THIS.
SO WITH THIS BODY, WE'RE, WE'RE BLACK AND WHITE.
THAT ADMINISTRATIVE CODE SAYS, HEY, IT'S SUBURBAN OFFICE, IT'S OFFICE USES.
AND SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING IT OFFICE USES.
WE DO HAVE OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY THAT ARE OFFICE USES, THAT ARE EMPTY BUILDINGS THAT COULD HAVE EQUALLY FISCALLY, UH, FISCALLY FORTUITOUS OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE OF THE PARTICULAR CARDINAL CAMPUS.
UH, THAT, THAT I WOULD INVITE YOU TO EXPLORE, UM, ONE CALL OUT THAT IS UNIQUE TO THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL AND WHY I THINK IT WAS SO BLACK AND WHITE ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL.
TWO 70, THE CITY HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY CONSCIENTIOUS OF WHAT GOES ALONG OUR TWO 70 CORRIDOR.
IF SOMETHING BEYOND OUR CORPORATE HEADQUARTER OFFICE CLASS, A OFFICE SPACE GOES ALONG THERE, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT COMPLICATIONS.
IT WAS MENTIONED, HEY, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC CONCERNS, WE COULD PUT A ROADWAY BEHIND THE BUILDING ALONG TWO 70.
AND SO IT, IT BECOMES VERY COMPLEX IF IT'S A SCHOOL WE HAVE WELL FIELD PROGRAM, THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES, THOSE ARE NOT TYPICAL OFFICE USES.
SO IT BECOMES EVEN MORE COMPLICATED.
AGAIN, I ADMIRE AND I RESPECT AND I APPRECIATE AS A TAXPAYER, AS A STUDENT ON UH, THE, THE INSIGHT AND THE OPPORTUNITY AND THAT OUT OF THE BOX THINKING.
BUT I ALSO WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION ON THIS PARTICULAR PERSON.
WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU UP TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE INFORMAL REVIEW.
THIS IS NOT A VOTING ACTION AND SO TYPICALLY WE WOULD ASK FOR A VOTE AND PASS A DELIBERATION, BUT IS THERE ANY CLARITY THAT YOU WOULD SEEK ON THE PARTICULAR APPLICATION? THANK YOU.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, THE, THE COMMENT WAS YOU'VE ALL BEEN QUITE CLEAR.
OH, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
UM, I'M ED DANIELS, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT, UH, CHIEF SECURITY OFFICER AT CARDINAL HEALTH.
UH, I'M, PART OF MY RESPONSIBILITIES IS REAL ESTATE AND FACILITIES.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND IF YOU KNEW THAT OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH BELMONT CITY SCHOOLS, THEY WERE OUR CHOICE.
WE WENT OUT AND ACTUALLY APPROACHED THEM CONCERNING SELLING THIS PROPERTY.
WE'VE MOTHBALLED OUR WEST CAMPUS TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S NOBODY IN THERE, THERE'S NO REVENUE BEING GENERATED.
IF WE DON'T MAKE THE DEAL WITH BELMONT CITY SCHOOLS, WE WILL LEAVE THAT BUILDING EMPTY FOR THE FAC FORESEEABLE FUTURE AND JUST KEEP IT ON OUR BALANCE SHEET.
SO WOULD THAT CHANGE YOUR MIND IF YOU KNEW THAT? WOULD THE USE OF THE BUILDING CHANGE FROM NOT BEING USED TO NOT BEING USED FROM A SCHOOL? YEAH, IT WOULD, WOULDN'T BE USED.
SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, WOULDN'T THAT CHANGE? UH, NO.
UH, MY GUESS QUESTION WOULD BE, I GUESS WHY, WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE IT EMPTY OTHER THAN, RATHER THAN GOING FOR A SECONDARY OPTION AS A BUYER, WE, WE ARE VERY, VERY CONSCIOUS ABOUT WHO WE ARE GOING TO BE NEXT TO.
AND IF WE SELL THAT PROPERTY TO SOMEONE, WE DON'T CONTROL THAT.
IF WE SELL IT TO THE SCHOOLS, WE KNOW FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE WHO OUR NEIGHBOR'S GOING TO BE.
WELL, WOULDN'T THAT BE THE CASE REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU CHOSE TO SELL IT TO, THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, KNOW WHO YOU'RE SELLING? I'M SORRY.
YOU WOULD KNOW WHO YOU WERE SELLING IT TO.
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT WAS THE SCHOOL, WE KNOW WE WE'RE SELLING IT TO THE SCHOOLS.
SCHOOLS VERY RARELY EVER SELL TO SOMEONE ELSE.
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IF WE PUT IT ON THE MARKET, WE WOULDN'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA GO IN THERE.WE WOULDN'T BE INTERESTED IN THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
I COULD SEE ANOTHER HEADQUARTERS WANTING TO GO IN THERE AND BE A GREAT PARTNER FOR YOU.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE, IT'S A SHAME TO SEE THAT BUILDING SAID I'LL, IT'D BE GREAT IF IT COULD.
IT COULD BE ANOTHER USER EQUAL TO CARDINAL, ONE OF YOUR PARTNERS PERHAPS THAT COULD OCCUPY THAT AND AGAIN, BE A GREAT ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE CITY.
SO I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS NO, IT WOULD NOT CHANGE OUR MINDS.
WELL I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.
MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT APPLICATION THIS EVENING.
[Case #24-076AFDP]
IS CASE 24 DASH 76 A FTP MANGOES PLACE, A PROPOSAL FOR AN AMENDMENT AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A GROUND SIGN AT THE SITE OF AN EXISTING BUILDING.THE APPROXIMATELY 2.2 ACRE SITE IS ZONED PCD PLANNED COMMERCE DISTRICT THOMAS KOHLER, AND IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION AT EMERALD PARKWAY AND RINGS ROAD.
AT THIS TIME WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO THE APPLICANT AND INVITE YOU UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE PRESS THE BUTTON TO TURN ON.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M THE OWNER OF THE LAND BUILDING AND THE BUSINESSES AT 5,600 RINGS ROAD.
UM, OUR SEVEN YEAR JOURNEY TO BUILD THE DAYCARE FINALLY COMPLETED LAST MONTH AND WE ARE NOW LOOKING TO AMEND THAT TO ADD A ROAD SIGN.
UM, THIS IS THE FINAL PRODUCT VERY CLOSE TO THE, TO THE RENDERING THERE WITH A BRICK AND STONE STRUCTURE, AN ARROW VIEW THAT'S, UH, THIS BUILDING FACES THE, UM, NON-USED PART OF RINGS ROAD THAT WAS CHANGED BACK IN THE LATE NINETIES.
UH, WE ARE LOOKING, THE RED CIRCLE REPRESENTS, UH, WHERE WE WOULD PROPOSE ADDING THE ROAD SIGN ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY.
UM, THAT IS THE ONLY TRAFFICKED ROAD.
UH, THE REST ARE EITHER OUR CUSTOMERS OR POST OFFICE CUSTOMERS.
COMING DOWN THAT SHORT STUB OF RINGS ROAD, THIS IS THE PROPOSED SIGN.
THE STONEWORK IS, UM, MIRRORING THE MATERIALS USED ON THE LOWER PART OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THOSE MATERIALS ARE STILL AVAILABLE.
IT IS A 13 SQUARE FOOT SIGN WITH OUR LOGO ONLY ON IT.
AND THE ADDRESS ON THE STONE WORK, UH, TWO-SIDED SIGN THAT'LL SIT PERPENDICULAR TO EMERALD PARKWAY.
UM, THIS WOULD BE A VIEW FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF EMERALD PARKWAY ON RINGS ROAD, UH, WHERE THE SIGN IS LOCATED.
YOU CAN SLIGHTLY SEE A TEMPORARY SIGN THAT IT'S IN BANNER THAT'S IN PLACE RIGHT THERE.
IT WOULD BE SITTING THERE EXCEPT FOR IT WOULD BE PERPENDICULAR RATHER THAN PARALLEL.
AND THEN ALTERNATE VIEW OF THIS WOULD BE COMING, UM, LOOKING SOUTH AS YOU HEAD DOWN EMERAL PARKWAY.
THE SOUND WOULD BE LOCATED ON THAT MOUND.
THERE, THERE ARE, UM, UTILITIES, UM, ON THAT SIDE, BUT THERE ARE UTILITIES ON ALL SIDES OF OUR PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR THE WOODED SIDE.
SO THERE WOULD BE RESTRICTIONS FOR ALL PLACEMENT.
AND THEN IT'S LOOKING THE OTHER WAY FROM THE POST OFFICE PROPERTY GOING NORTH ON RINGS ROAD.
SO, UM, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO PERMIT THE GROUND SIGN, UM, FOR AN EXISTING DAYCARE.
AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THE FOURTH STEP IN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WHICH IS REQUIRED FOR CHANGES TO AN APPROVED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
CONSIDERATIONS INCLUDE DEVELOPMENT TEXTS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS AND HOW THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS ALIGN WITH THE REST OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
AFTER DETERMINATION, THE APPLICANT SHALL WORK WITH STAFF ON CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PRIOR TO ANY PERMITTING SITE IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND RAINS ROAD SITE IS ZONE PLAN COMMERCE DISTRICT, THOMAS KOHLER, AND IS IN SUB AREA E.
THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE DAYCARE BUILDING AND THEN THE PROPOSED GROUND SIGN LOCATION.
KNOW THAT THE MARKED, UM, UTILITY LINE IS A GAS LINE, AND THERE'S ALSO AN ELECTRIC LINE, UM, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT.
THE DEVELOPMENT DECKS INCLUDES GENERAL STANDARDS FOR SIGNS AND GRAPHICS, UNLESS STATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXTS, CONFORMANCE WITH THE STANDARD SIGN CODE IS REQUIRED.
THE GROUND SIGN IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE AT EMERALD PARKWAY AND RAINS ROAD SET BACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY NINE FEET.
THE SIGN IS WITHIN A UTILITY EASEMENT, WHICH REQUIRES AN ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT.
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EASEMENTS EXIST ALONG ALL STREET FRONTAGES.THEREFORE, UM, ANOTHER LOCATION WOULD NOT AVOID THIS ISSUE.
CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ADDRESS THESE ITEMS AND STAFF DOES SUPPORT THE SIGN LOCATION.
LANDSCAPING IS PROVIDED AT THE, THE SIGN BASE AS SHOWN.
SO AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THIS IS A 13 SQUARE FOOT GROUND SIGN.
IT'S AN ALUMINUM CABINET ON A STONE VENEER BASE TO MATCH THE BUILDING.
MATERIAL DETAILS FOR THE STONE BASE, WERE NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE APPLICATION, BUT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUEST THIS INFORMATION AT PERMITTING.
ALL DEVELOPMENT TEXTS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET WITH CONDITIONS.
A-F-A-D-P, UM, CRITERIA ARE MET, MET WITH CONDITIONS OR NOT APPLICABLE, AND PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS SHOWN.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DOES COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? MR. WE, UH, MS. MULLINAX, UM, COULD, THERE IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I THINK, UM, THERE'S SOME CIRCLES ON THE PLAN AND THERE'S A PLANT LIST THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IN OUR PACKAGE.
IS THERE ANY DESIGNATION OF WHAT THOSE CIRCLES REPRESENT IN REGARD TO THE, THE LANDSCAPE? THIS LIST OF LANDSCAPE MATERIAL? YEAH, SO THE, UM, LEMME PULL UP HERE.
NO, THERE ARE TWO REED, UM, GRASS PLANTS, AND THEN THEIR OTHER PLANT.
IT'S SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN THAT'S PROVIDED IN THE PACKET.
IT'S, UM, DWARF GARDEN JUNIPER.
SO THAT'LL, IT'LL BE MOSTLY JUNIPER WITH THE, UM, GRASSES ON THE END.
UM, I BELIEVE THE GRASSES ARE INCLUDED IN THAT TABLE THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THE JUNIPER IS WITHIN THAT TABLE, BUT IT'S JUST TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THOSE PLANTING DETAILS.
IT'S, IT SAYS GOLD COAST JUNIPER, 18 INCHES.
IS THAT THE JUNIPER THAT THEY WOULD REFER TO? I, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE THE, THE NUMBER OF THE BUILDING IS IN THE STONE BASE, AND IF YOU PUT LANDSCAPE IN FRONT OF IT, UH, CER, IF YOU DON'T PUT THE RIGHT LANDSCAPE IN FRONT OF IT, YOU MAY BLOCK THE NUMBER AND THAT DOESN'T
UM, THE GOLD COAST JUNIPER WAS TO MIRROR THE OTHER, UM, PLANTING ON THAT MOUND.
IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY A CITY TO SWITCH THAT TO THE DWARF.
UM, SO WHICH ONLY HAS A 12 INCH HIGH, UM, MAXIMUM GROSS, SO THAT WOULDN'T BLOCK THE SIGN.
SO THEY WON'T, SO YOU HAVE IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, 15 INCHES BEFORE YOU GET TO THE, THE NUMBERS, THE ADDRESS.
SO THAT WILL BE, IT'LL BE LOW ENOUGH.
ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CITY, AND THIS IS GONNA SOUND LIKE A SILLY QUESTION, BUT IS IT MEANT THAT PLACE IS NOT PERPENDICULAR TO THE SIGN? OH, THAT IS HOW OUR LOGO, OUR LOGO IS ACTUALLY THE ACTUALLY BUILT, UM, THE PART THAT WOULDN'T BE ON THE SIGN.
OUR LOGO HAS A WOODEN BOARD BEHIND IT.
UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE DRIFT WOOD WITH THE CARVED IN.
SO YES, THAT IS OUR, HOW OUR LOGO IS ESTABLISHED.
BUT YOU'RE NOT DOING THE DRIFTWOOD ON THIS ONE, IT'S JUST THE LETTERS, RIGHT? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? YOUR LOGO IS ON THE DRIFTWOOD, RIGHT? LIKE IT SHOWS HERE.
BUT I CAN'T SEE THE CURVING PLACE ON THAT VERSUS ON THE SIGN.
IT JUST, IT'S, BUT THAT IS THE, THE LOGO HAS A CURVING ELEMENT TO THE PLACE.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T A MISTAKE BY SOMEBODY, JUST DIDN'T GET THE GRAPHIC RIGHT, BUT, OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? SEEING NONE, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? ALRIGHT, UH, I WILL MOVE ON TO DELIBERATION.
IF THERE IS ANY LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THREE CONDITIONS AS NOTED BY STAFF.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION FROM, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT FOR THOSE THREE CONDITIONS? SO MOVED.
THANK YOU MR. WA FOR THE MOTION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UM, FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DIRECT THOSE TO STAFF, BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MANGO PLACE OPEN.
[Case #24-092AFDP]
ALRIGHT, THE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CASE NUMBER 24 DASH 0 9 2 A FDP.THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR AN AMENDED FUNDAMENTAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ALLOW MODIFICATIONS TO THE FACADE OF AN EXISTING BUILDING.
THE APPROXIMATELY FIVE AND A QUARTER ACRE SITE IS ZONE PUD, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT LUELLEN FARMS, AND IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 180 FEET NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF BRADENTON
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AVENUE IN FRANCE ROAD.IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO STEP UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, WE WILL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU FOR THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
IF YOU COULD PRESS THE BUTTON TO ENSURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON, IT IS NOW ON.
I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER AT MA DESIGN, UM, AT 7 7 5 YARD STREET IN GRANDVIEW.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT AT, UM, 5,000 BRADENTON AVENUE.
OUR CLIENT IS A CURRENT DUBLIN RESIDENT OR BUSINESS.
OUR BUSINESS IS CURRENTLY IN DUBLIN, AND THEY HAVE PURCHASED THIS BUILDING TO MOVE INTO.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO UTILIZE ALL THREE FLOORS.
RIGHT NOW, THE BUILDING IS SITTING MOSTLY VACANT.
THERE'S A TENANT ON THE FIRST FLOOR THAT'S MOVING OUT, UM, SEPTEMBER, I THINK.
UM, THIS, OUR CLIENT, UM, IS LOOKING TO HAVE A GREAT GREATER IMPACT TO THE ENTRANCE AND APPROACH TO THE BUILDING.
SO WE ARE MAINTAINING THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AND THE BUILDING, UM, STRUCTURE.
YOU COULD SAY THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE IS THE ENTRY AND THE SEQUENCE AND HOW YOU ENTER THE BUILDING.
UM, SO WE ARE PROPOSING A THREE STORY GLASS VESTIBULE, LET'S CALL IT.
UM, AND PART OF THAT INCLUDES, UH, A PERGOLA.
ONE THING THAT WE NOTICED WHEN WE ARRIVED HERE TODAY, THAT, THAT THE ENTRY AND THE, THE ROOF PIECE IS ABOUT 20 FEET ABOVE THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF VOLUME WE'RE SITTING IN NOW IN THIS ROOM.
UM, AND WE ARE PROPOSING SOME CYLINDRICAL LIGHT FIXTURES UNDERNEATH THE PERLO, VERY SIMILAR TO THE LIGHTS THAT ARE IN THIS ROOM AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT WAS PRETTY, UM, EXCITING TO SEE.
UM, THIS CLIENT IS VERY FORWARD THINKING IN THEIR APPROACH TO BEING, UM, GREEN AND SUSTAINABLE.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO CONTINUE THEIR BUSINESS IN THIS BUILDING FOR NUMEROUS YEARS.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO PUT SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF.
UM, AND WE'VE ALREADY VERIFIED THAT THE SOLAR PANELS AND HOW THE ELEVATION OF WHERE THEY'LL STAND AND THEY WILL BE CONCEALED BY THE EXISTING PARAPET.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE IN THE LOWER RIGHT, THE EXISTING, UM, CENTER OF THE BUILDING UP ON THE ROOF HAS RTUS ON IT, AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY A METAL ROOF.
UM, ENCASING ALL OF THOSE RT RTUS, THOSE ARE GONNA BE, UM, REMOVED THAT SCREENING AROUND.
IT'S GONNA BE REMOVED AND NEW ROOFTOP UNITS PLACED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK ON THE BUILDING AND SCREENED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, ALMOST SO THAT IT'S NOT AS VISIBLE, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SCREENED.
UM, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE ENTRIES LIKE THE BIGGEST IMPACT THAT THE, THE CLIENT IS LOOKING TO, UM, MAKE AS A DIFFERENCE ON THIS BUILDING.
THEY HAVE, UM, CLIENTS AND VISITORS THAT COME FROM AROUND THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, AND THEY AVERAGE ABOUT 12 VISITORS A DAY.
AND SO SOME OF THEM WILL BE WITHIN THE REGION OR THE STATE, BUT SOME OF THEM WILL BE COMING NATIONALLY.
SO THE, THE IMPACT AND THE ARCHITECTURE THAT THEY'RE GONNA SEE AND EXPERIENCE AND WALKTHROUGH IS GONNA BE REALLY IMPACTFUL.
UM, I MENTIONED THE SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF.
THE OTHER THING THAT THE CLIENT IS INTERESTED IN DOING IS REMOVING ALL OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
UM, BECAUSE THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1988, THE THERMAL ENVELOPE OF THE BUILDING IS NOT, UM, THAT GREAT.
WE ACTUALLY JUST RAN SOME ENERGY CALCS AND IF IT WERE TO, UM, BE TESTED WITH TODAY'S COM CHECK, IT WOULD FAIL BY 10%.
SO THEY'RE REPLACING ALL OF THE WINDOWS AND PUTTING NEW INSULATION ON ALL OF THE EXTERIOR WALLS, WHICH IS, UM, GONNA SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE THE THERMAL PERFORMANCE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, ON THE BACK, ZACH, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE MORE SLIDES.
WE DO HAVE SOME CHANGES TO THE BACK WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, EXISTING OPENINGS ARE GONNA BECOME A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
UM, THERE'S THE KRAMER DITCH, KRAMER DITCH ALONG THE BACK, WHICH IS A REALLY BEAUTIFUL WOODED AREA THAT THE CLIENT WAS SUPER EXCITED ABOUT.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA, UM, UTILIZE THAT SPACE OUT BACK AND PUT SOME GLASS GARAGE OVERHEAD DOORS AND SO THAT THEY CAN UTILIZE THAT SPACE IN THE FUTURE, UM, ON NICE SPRING DAYS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. HANSEL.
TURN TIME OVER TO YOU FOR THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
SO THIS IS AN AMENDED FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, SO THIS IS TYPICALLY REQUESTED FOLLOWING, UH, A THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SITE.
SO THIS IS JUST PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO THAT FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH ARE IN COMPLIANCE, WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED, UH, PLAN DISTRICT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALIGNMENT WITH THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN CONSISTENT
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WITH THE SURROUNDING CHARACTER THAT'S ESTABLISHED OUT THERE.SO THERE'S A DETERMINATION THAT'S REQUIRED TONIGHT.
THE SITE IS 5.24 ACRES IN SIZE, ZONED WELL ON FARMS. UH, AND THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1988.
UM, I WON'T TALK TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS, UH, AS THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED MOST OF THESE ITEMS HERE.
I DID WANNA MENTION, UM, AS ALLISON HAS SAID BEFORE, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH WERE THE BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE'S A SECOND PHASE THAT WOULD COME IN THE FUTURE, WHICH IS, UM, THEY ARE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE PATIO SITE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE PLAYING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP, UH, IN GETTING THEM IN THE BUILDING.
BUT, UH, THERE IS FE THERE ARE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT INCLUDE CHANGES TO THE FRONT DRIVE AND THEN CHANGES TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, WHICH ARE WHY THE, THOSE OVERHEAD DOORS ARE PROPOSED.
SO THOSE ARE NOT UP FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL TONIGHT, BUT THOSE WOULD COME FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
UM, PLANNING DID NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS, UH, ADDRESSED IN THE PLANNING REPORT.
THERE ARE NO CONDITIONS AS STAFF HAS APPLIED TO THIS AND THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED, UH, THE PROJECT AND WHAT THEY'RE INTENDING TO DO, BUT THAT, UH, STAFF HAS FOUND THAT ALL CRITERIA ARE MET OR NOT APPLICABLE AND ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH NO CONDITIONS.
UH, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
MR. W YOU WANNA START US OFF? YES.
UM, I HAVE, ANYWAY, VERY EXCITING PROJECT AGAIN.
UM, IT'S NICE TO SEE A SUBURBAN OFFICE BUILDING REPURPOSED AND, AND HOPEFULLY MADE TO LOOK BETTER.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS, IS DEFINITELY TRANSFORMATIONAL IN TERMS OF THE, THE ENTRANCE.
UM, MY FIRST QUESTION, UM, ARE YOU GOING TO, ARE THE TREES REMAINING IN THE FRONT? THERE'S TWO BIG TREES FLANKING THE ENTRANCE AND THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE FREE.
THEY'RE FORWARD ENOUGH THAT THEY COULD BE SAVED? YES.
THE ONES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, THERE ARE SOME SMALLER TREES THAT WOULD END UP BEING, UM, UNDERNEATH THAT PERGOLA.
THOSE WOULD END UP BEING REMOVED.
AND LIKE ZACH MENTIONED, THAT WILL COME FORWARD WHEN THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN IS FULLY VETTED.
BUT THE LARGER ONES THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE PARKING LOT ARE, UM, THE PLAN IS TO KEEP THOSE.
UM, THE, THE EXISTING WHITE STRIPE THAT'S ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING MM-HMM?
IT'S LIMESTONE AND WE'RE ALSO PAINTING.
SO YOU'RE PAINTING THOSE BLACK? YEAH.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN THE RENDERINGS.
THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
AND SO, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF BRINGS IT ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU'RE USING IN THE NEW ENTRANCES ARE BLACK.
ONE THING I FAILED TO MENTION IS WE DID BRING SOME MATERIAL SAMPLES.
UM, I THINK THAT WAS REQUESTED.
SO WE HAVE SOME SAMPLES OF THE EXISTING BRICK AND THE WOOD THAT WOULD GO ACROSS THE PERGOLA.
AND MR. HANSEL WILL BRING THOSE UP TO THE COMMISSION SO THAT WE CAN ALL SEE THEM.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED FOR THE MATERIALS.
AND WE, WE, WE, I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS BEAUT, IT LOOKS LIKE WOOD LOOKS EXCITING, BUT IT'S METAL PANEL, RIGHT? WITH A CORRECT, I ASSUME SOME KIND OF A, SOME, YEAH.
SO HERE IS, THIS IS THE EXISTING BRICK, AND THEN THIS IS THE BLACK PAINT THAT WE'LL BE USING ON THE BRICK.
AND THEN THIS IS THE MATERIAL THAT WE'LL BE USING ON THE TOP OF THE TRELLIS CANOPY.
UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT A FEW DIFFERENT MATERIALS, BUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT HAS METAL, IT CAN STAND THE TEST OF TIME.
THIS IS A, UM, CAN, IS THIS THE, IS THIS THE YES.
WIDTH OF IT? THE DEPTH OF IT? YES.
AND THAT'S, AND YOU, YOU, THIS WILL BE ON THE UNDERSIDE OF THE CANOPY, RIGHT? THIS WILL BE ON THE TRELLIS.
THE PERGOLA, SORRY, THE PERGOLA UNDERSIDE.
AND THEN THIS IS UNDERNEATH OF THE CANOPY.
AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO CONTINUE INSIDE ON THE SECOND FLOOR AS WELL, IN THAT FINISH.
SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE MANUFACTURER.
THEY HAVE SEVERAL, UM, INSTALLATIONS OF IT IN COLUMBUS.
AND, AND THEY ACTUALLY COMPLETED A PROJECT RECENTLY UP IN TOLEDO WITH THIS PROJECT PRODUCT FROM THE EXTERIOR TO THE INTERIOR AS WELL.
WE'VE HAD REALLY GREAT SUCCESS WITH IT.
WE'RE DOING SUCH GREAT THINGS.
THAT'S THE, I KNOW IT'S LIKE A LITTLE FUZZY.
JUST GIVEN THE, THE SCALE OF THE
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ENTRY AND EVERYTHING.WE'RE LOOKING TO USE MATERIALS THAT WILL BE LONG LASTING AND WON'T NEED A LOT OF MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
SO WE WE'RE VERY INTENTIONAL WITH THE SELECTION OF THOSE.
THANK YOU, MR. WE BACK TO YOU.
I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, HAS MR. FORD, OUR CONSULTANT, LOOKED AT THESE MATERIALS? YES, I SENT THAT TO HIM, UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK.
HE DID NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH, UM, THAT MATERIAL THAT UNDERNEATH THE, THE CANOPY.
SO HE SAID THAT'S MATERIAL HE'S FAMILIAR WITH AND, AND IS OF GOOD QUALITY ALSO.
UH, YOUR INSTALLERS, I THINK I'VE LEARNED ON THIS COMMISSION.
INSTALLERS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS, AND SO ARE THESE, UH, INSTALLERS THAT YOU'VE WORKED WITH BEFORE OR DO YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN MIND OR WE'VE, HOW THAT'S GOING TO GO? SURE.
WE HAVE ALREADY PARTNERED WITH DAIMLER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHO THE SUBS WILL BE, BUT, UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH DAIMLER CONSTRUCTION NUMEROUS TIMES.
I THINK THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL, UM, GC FOR THE BUILDING.
SO THEY'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT, AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THEY'LL HAVE GOOD SUBCONTRACTORS TO INSTALL THESE PRODUCTS.
AND THEN IN, UH, IN THE BACK, YOU HAVE THE GARAGE DOORS.
IS THAT CLEAR GLASS OR DO YOU SEE A NEED FOR THAT TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DIFFERENT AND MS. HARTER, THAT ONE'S NOT IN THIS APPLICATION.
OH, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT, UM, MR. HANSEL, CAN YOU CLARIFY? OKAY.
I KNOW THE PATIO ISN'T, BUT I THOUGHT GARAGE PATIO WAS NOT GARAGE, BUT THE DOORS, THE, THE DOORS, THE GLASS DOORS BEHIND ARE A PART OF THIS.
SO THE, THE GARAGE DOORS, UM, IT DOES NOT HAVE A FILM YOU'RE NOT PUTTING A FILM ON.
THEY'RE NORTH FACING AND IT'S ALONG THAT WOODED AREA, SO IT'S NOT GONNA GET A, A TON OF LIGHT.
UM, SO THE INTENTION IS TO, UM, CONNECT THE INTERIOR TO THE EXTERIOR.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT NOW I HAVE JUST A QUICK INCIDENTAL ONE.
UM, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GLAZE THAT IN THE FUTURE IF THERE'S CHANGE TO THE LANDSCAPE OR FOR ANY REASON YOU COULD CHANGE IT? GREAT.
UM, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU THIS EVENING.
UH, SO LOOKING BACK TO THE COMMISSION, ANY FINAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT? HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? WE HAVE NOT.
AND WELL, I WILL ANNOUNCE, SUGGEST FOR ROBERT'S RULES.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? SEEING NONE, UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO COMMISSION DELIBERATION.
SO THIS EVENING WE ARE ASKED, UH, FOR, UH, THOUGHTS ON AN APPROVAL FOR AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
MR. WADE, YOU WANNA START US OFF AGAIN? I WILL JUST REITERATE WHAT I SAID TO BEGIN WITH.
IT'S, UH, GREAT TO SEE A, A SUBURBAN EIGHTIES OFFICE BUILDING REJUVENATED WITHOUT SOMEBODY COMING AND REDEVELOPING IT OR SOMETHING.
SO I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.
MS. HARDER, I WOULD ALSO ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS AS WELL, TOO.
UH, THANK YOU FOR COMING AND DOING THIS, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE IT.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. GARVIN.
UH, GREAT TO HAVE YOUR HEADQUARTERS IN DUBLIN.
AND, UM, UH, I'M COMING IN KIND OF LATE IN THE PROCESS, BUT EVERYTHING I'VE READ IN THE HISTORY, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE DESIGN.
UH, DUBLIN CITY HAS PASSED THAT WE WANT TO BE THE MOST SUSTAINABLE.
AND I THINK THIS IS AN AMAZING, UM, IN ADDITION TO MR. WAY'S, COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, REPURPOSING, UH, THE SOLAR PANELS ARE EXCITING, THE ADDITIONS ARE EXCITING.
THE, THE LANDSCAPING AND THE OLD CORPORATION AND THE UTILIZATION OF THE KRAMER AREA IS AMAZING.
UM, AS A SIDE NOTE, MY OFFICE BUILDING IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE DRAWINGS.
AND, UM, PAUL GATI AND, AND DAIMLER WERE ON THAT AS WELL.
SO, TO MISS HARDER'S POINT ABOUT INSTALLATION, WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE ANOTHER WONDERFUL PARTNER IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
SO I ALSO AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION.
UH, AT THIS TIME, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED FINAL DE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH NO CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. WE DO, I HAVE A SECOND.
WELL, LADIES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SPENDING A THURSDAY EVENING WITH US.
WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO SAR NOVA COMING, UH, FORWARD TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
AND WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE, WHAT YOU DO WITH THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, BECAUSE THE OUTSIDE IS LOVELY.
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ALL RIGHT.UH, STAFF, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE COMMISSION THIS
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EVENING, SO I'LL TURN SOME TIME OVER TO YOU.YEAH, A COUPLE ITEMS TO, UM, MOSTLY REMINDERS AND SOME UPDATES.
UH, BUT THE FIRST REMINDER IS THE JOINT, UH, WORK SESSION WITH THE, UH, BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD COMING UP ON AUGUST 22ND.
UH, THAT MEETING WILL START AT 6:00 PM AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THAT WILL BE AT THE DEVELOPMENT BUILDING, NOT IN THIS ROOM.
SO, UH, IF YOU CAN NOTE THAT IT'S AT THAT BUILDING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UH, THE INTENT IS TO, UH, START THE TRAINING WITH SOME OVERVIEWS WITH LEGAL, UH, PARAMETERS, UH, THE ROLES OF THE, UH, CHAIR PEOPLE OF THE DIFFERENT BOARDS, THE, UH, ROLE OF THE STAFF LIAISON, SUNSHINE LAWS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UH, THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT INTRODUCTION.
YEAH, I THINK, UM, ONE THING THAT YOU CAN EXPECT, AND IT'S BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE COME IN AND PEOPLE SHIFT FROM ONE ROLE TO THE OTHER, IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONCEPTUALIZE IS LIKE A RESPONSIBILITY MATRIX SO THAT EACH PERSON ON ANY OF THE DIFFERENT BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS KIND OF KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE SITTING ON BZA, YOU KNOW THAT SOMEBODY IN MOBILITY OR ENGINEERING IS GOING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE DETAILS AND, AND SO FORTH.
SO, UH, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, I THINK, THAN WHAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN PREVIOUS, UH, DULL LIFELESS LEGAL TRAININGS I'VE GIVEN YOU BEFORE.
SO WE, WE'LL SPEND ABOUT 45 MINUTES ON THAT SECTION, AND THEN WE'LL, UH, PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, AND GET SOME INPUT.
AND THEN THE INTENT IS TO BREAK INTO SMALLER GROUP, UH, DISCUSSIONS, UH, TO KINDA GET A FEELING FROM THE DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSION, UM, MEMBERS IN TERMS OF, UH, CHALLENGES, SUCCESSES, UH, OTHER ISSUES THAT, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, DISCUSS ON A SMALLER GROUP BASIS.
AND THEN SHARE WITH THE, WITH THE LARGER GROUP.
AND THEN WE HAD ON YOUR AGENDA ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, UH, A JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL, UH, WITH, AGAIN, WITH ALL THREE BOARDS.
WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE POSTPONED.
I DON'T HAVE A DATE YET FOR THAT ONE, BUT IT'LL, UH, PROBABLY BE SOMETIME IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER.
UH, THERE'S A CHANCE IT MAY NEED TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER COUNCIL HAS THEIR RETREAT AND SET THE GOALS FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR SO THAT IT COULD ALL TIE TOGETHER.
UH, BUT THAT ONE, THE INTENT IS TAKE SOME OF THE DISCUSSION AND WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT ALSO AT THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT THOSE ITEMS ABOUT HOW THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FEEL IN TERMS OF SUCCESSES, CHALLENGES, UM, STAFF REPORTS, PRESENTATIONS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE SURVEY THAT WE HAD SENT BEFORE.
BUT WE'LL REFINE THAT AND ADD SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, QUESTIONS FOR ALL OF YOU TO DISCUSS.
SO WHAT'S ENVISIONED AT THIS POINT IS THEY WOULD, THE, THE BEGINNING WOULD BE, UM, SOME STATISTICS THAT WE WOULD HELP PROVIDE IN TERMS OF EACH BOARD AND WHAT THEY'VE, UH, HOW MANY APPLICATIONS, UH, HOW MUCH TIME WAS SPENT AND, AND SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT THEN THE CRITICAL COMPONENT, WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO HEAR AND WHAT, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WOULD LIKE FEEDBACK ON IS THOSE CHANGES AND SUCCESSES AND OTHER TYPES OF, DO WE HAVE THAT HANDOUT FOR THE COMMISSION THAT WE REVIEWED IT AT EXECUTIVE MEETING? UM, WE DO HAVE IT, BUT THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION LAST NIGHT AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE MEETING WHERE, UH, THERE WAS AN IDEA OF MAYBE FOCUSING MORE ON THOSE SUCCESSES AND MINUSES.
SO THERE WAS SOME SUGGESTIONS OF SOME, UM, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
SO WE REFINE THAT AND SHARE IT WITH EVERYBODY.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING IS, JUST A REMINDER, THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 5TH, AND WE ARE BACK IN THIS ROOM.
DID YOU HAVE SOME, I JUST HAD A QUESTION.
UH, THE MEETING, THE JOINT MEETING ON THE 22ND, IS IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? YES.
ALL, ALL MEETINGS ARE OPEN? YES.
ANY OTHER COMMUNICATION COMMUNICATIONS FOR THIS EVENING? SEEING NONE.
WELL, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANKS AGAIN FOR SPENDING A THURSDAY NIGHT AND MR. WAY.