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[CALL TO ORDER]
UH, WE'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND WELCOME YOU TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD MEETING BEING HELD AT 5 5 5 5 PERIMETER DRIVE.THE MEETING CAN ALSO BE ACCESSED VIA THE LIVESTREAM VIDEO RECORDED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
UH, WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ALL THE CASES.
THE MEETING PROCEDURE FOR EACH CASE THIS EVENING WILL BEGIN WITH A STAFF PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
THE BOARD WILL ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF FIRST AND THEN TO THE APPLICANT.
THE BOARD WILL THEN HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE PODIUM.
UH, EACH SPEAKER MUST PROVIDE THEIR NAME, AD NAME, AND ADDRESS FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT, INCLUDING THOSE SUBMITTED BY EMAIL.
THE BOARD WILL DELIBERATE ON CASES PRIOR TO RENDERING A DECISION.
SO BEFORE WE START OUR MEETINGS, WE OPEN WITH THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.
SO IF EVERYBODY WOULD STAND AND FACE THE FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE, THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TWO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
JUDY, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE? YES, MS. COOPER? HERE.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS AND APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO, INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE A RB MEETINGS FROM JUNE 22ND.THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION AND MODIFICATIONS, UH, OR ALTERATIONS TO ANY SITE IN THE AREA SUBJECT TO ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW UNDER THE PROVISION OF THE ZONING CODE SECTION 1 53 0.170.
THE BOARD HAS DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY ON THESE CASES.
ANYONE WHO ATTENDS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THE CASES THIS EVENING MUST BE SWORN IN.
SO, UH, UH, ANYBODY, UH, INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD THIS EVENING? COULD, THIS EVENING? COULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE? DO YOU SWEAR TO SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? YES.
UH, SO I THINK WE MOVE ON TO THE
[Case #24-091INF ]
FIRST CASE, UH, UH, 24 DASH NINE ONE INFORMAL REVIEW.UH, RODDY, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
GOOD, GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS.
TONIGHT WE HAVE AN INFORMAL REQUEST FOR A MIXED USE CONSTRUCTION AT 1622 NORTH HIGH STREET FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT CODE.
ANY DEVELOPMENT OVER 3000 SQUARE FEET IS A THREE STEP PROCESS WITH INFORMAL REVIEW AS AN ADDIT OPTIONAL STEP AT ANY STAGE IN, APPLICANT MAY REQUEST FOR AN INFORMAL REVIEW FOR ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD.
TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL INFORMAL REVIEW PRIOR TO THE PDP APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT IS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING FEEDBACK ON THE MASSING STUDIES TONIGHT, AND THERE IS NO DETERMINATION REQUIRED AS THE NEXT STEP THE APPLICANT MAY APPLY FOR A PDP.
THE 0.26 ACRE SITE HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN YELLOW IS LOCATED NORTHEAST AT THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH HIGH STREET AND EAST BRI STREET.
THE SITE IS ZONED HISTORIC DISTRICT HISTORIC CODE WITH HISTORIC CODE ON NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST OF THE PROPERTY AND HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS ACROSS NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE.
MOST RECENTLY, THE BOARD APPROVED THE CONCEPT PLAN AND DEMOLITION OF PARKING STRUCTURE AND THE SHED EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE CONCEPT PLAN WAS APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT THERE ON THE PAGE THREE OF THE REPORT SITE HERE IS AGAIN HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
THE BUILDINGS ONE, TWO, AND THREE ARE LOCATED ACROSS THE SITE, AND THESE WERE BUILT DURING THE YEAR 2007.
THE BUILDINGS FOUR AND FIVE ARE ADJACENT TO 1622 NORTH HIGH.
THIS IS A CLOSER LOOK OF BOTH THE BUILDINGS.
BOTH THE BUILDINGS ARE INDIVIDUALLY LISTED ON NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
16 NORTH HIGH STREET WAS BUILT AROUND 1843 AND 22.
NORTH HIGH WAS BUILT AROUND 1,916 NORTH, WHICH IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH A RECTANGLE OF FOOTPRINT AND A TWO STORY CORE.
THERE ARE TWO GABLE WALL DORMERS ON THE
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FACADE, AND THE BUILDING IS USED AS LIMESTONE AND STANDING SEAM ROOF.CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY IS AWAKENED 22 NORTH HIGH STREET WAS BUILT AS A DOCTOR'S OFFICE AND CURRENT USES COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS A QUEEN AND STYLE BUILDING, WHICH ALSO HAS A RECTANGLE FOOTPRINT.
IT HAS A HIP CORE ROOF AND IT HAS A WOOD SIDING AND A METAL ROOF, ALONG WITH A VERY INTEGRATED SPINDLE WORK ON THE PORCH.
BOTH 16 NORTH AND 20 NEW NORTH HAVE DISTINCT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, FORMS, AND MATERIALS SEEN.
HERE ARE THE EXISTING SITE PHOTOS OF THE REAR OF THE SITE.
THE FIRST PHOTO IS THE REAR OF 16 NORTH HIGH STREET.
APPLICANT IS PROPOSING NO MODIFICATIONS ON THIS P.
THE SECOND PHOTO SHOWS THE DIRT FLOOR SHED, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, WHICH IS THE REAR OF 22 NORTH HIGH STREET.
THE SHED IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, AND THE BOARD HAS ALREADY APPROVED DEMOLITION OF THIS SHED.
THE THIRD PHOTO SHOWS THE UNUSABLE PARKING STRUCTURE.
THE DEMOLITION IS ALSO APPROVED BY THE BOARD EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND THE FOURTH PHOTO IS TAKEN FACING TOWARDS BLACKSMITH LANE, WHICH SHOWS THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE EXISTING GRADE CHANGE FROM WEST TO THE EAST.
AND WE CAN ALSO SEE THE ROOF OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE OUT THERE.
THE CONCEPT PLAN WAS APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THE GENERAL LAYOUT OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING, ALONG WITH THE ACCESS POINTS.
THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS AT NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE WITH VEHICULAR ACCESS FROM NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE AND THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM NORTH HIGH STREET LANE.
TONIGHT WE HAVE TWO MASSING STUDIES PRESENTED BEFORE THE BOARD AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING BOARD TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE MASSING STUDIES.
BOTH THE MASSING STUDIES HAVE A REDUCED MASS AS COMPARED TO THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH CAN BE SEEN ON THE TOP RIGHT AT THE CONCEPT PLAN.
THE BOARD EXPRESSED CONCERNS WITH THE FORM AND MONOTONY OF THE FACADE.
APPLICANT HAS REMOVED THE SYMMETRICAL GABLES AND INCLUDED VARIATIONS IN THE ROOF FORM.
A COLONATED TERRACE IS PROPOSED AT THE SOUTH FACADE, WHICH WRAPS AROUND THE BUILDING.
AND A SECOND FLOOR TERRACE IS ALSO PROPOSED ALONG THE NORTH EDGE.
APPLICANT IS AIMING TO INCORPORATE EXISTING ICONIC FEATURES ON THE SITE AND AIMS TO CREATE CONTINUITY AND COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS.
IT IS TO BE NOTED THAT THE SITE SETBACKS ARE MET AND THE BUILDING HEIGHT, WHICH WAS APPROVED AT THE CONCEPT PLAN WAS 24 FEET.
THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO ELIMINATED THE DOUBLE GA WHEELS FROM THE EAST ELEVATION, WHICH FACES NOT BLACKSMITH LANE, CREATING A MORE COHESIVE RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE.
THE SOUTH TERRACE WRAPS AROUND THE REAR OF THE RESTAURANT, WHICH WOULD BE USED IN THE, AS AN OUTDOOR SEATING SPACE, AND WOULD BRING ACTIVITY TO THAT BUILDING LEVEL.
THE TERRACE AT THE REAR PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE THE STREET EDGE WITH EDGE AS WELL AND WOULD BREAK UP THE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED BOXY FORM.
THE PROPOSED PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR IS ON THE SOUTH FACADE, WHICH CAN BE SEEN IN THE BOTH THE MASSING STUDIES AND IT INTEGRATES INTO THE BUILDING EDGE, WHICH WAS REQUESTED AT CONCEPT PLAN.
THE APPROVED BUILDING HEIGHT AT THE REAR WAS 20 FEET AT THE FRONT CABLE.
THIS IS THE CROSS SECTION, WHICH SHOWS THE NATIONAL GRADE OF THE SITE AND HOW THE PROPOSED FUNCTIONS HAVE BEEN INTEGRATED INTO THE SITE TOPOGRAPHY.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE BUILDING HEIGHT AFTER THE PACKETS WERE PUBLISHED.
THE APPROXIMATE BUILDING HEIGHT FACING NORTH HIGH STREET IS 25 FEET, AND AT THE REAR, THE PROPOSED HEIGHTS, IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 32 FEET AND 35 FEET, WHICH IS MEASURED FROM THE FINISHED ROW LEVEL TO THE MIDDLE OF THE RIDGE.
A WAIVER WILL BE REQUIRED AT THE PDP IF THE HEIGHT IS ABOVE 30 FEET.
STAFF WOULD REQUEST THE BOAT TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHTS AS WELL.
IN ADDITION TO THE MASSING STUDIES, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE REQUIRED SETBACKS IN THE EASEMENTS ALONG NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE.
THE CITY IS CONDUCTING A TRAFFIC STUDY TO ENSURE THAT ALL MODES OF TRAVEL ARE ACCOMMODATED AT THIS STAGE, STAFF ANTICIPATES NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE, BUT BE A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY LANE WITH A VERY LIMITED VEHICULAR AXIS.
A FIVE FOOT SIT BACK IS REQUIRED WEST OF NORTH RIVER VIEW, WHICH IS ZONE HISTORIC DISTRICT HISTORIC COAL ALONG EAST OF NORTH RIVER VIEW, OR ALONG EAST OF NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE.
THERE IS A 15 FOOT HIGHWAY EASEMENT, AND THE AREA IS ZONED HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL, AND IT HAS A SETBACK OF 20% OF THE LOT DEPTH.
THE CURRENT SETBACKS ARE ALSO SHOWN HERE OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, BUILDINGS, WHICH VARIES FROM ZERO FEET TO FIVE FEET.
WITH THIS, WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION CUSHIONS FOR THE BOAT TONIGHT.
DOES THE BOAT SUPPORT EITHER OF THE PROPOSED MILEING STUDIES? DOES THE BOAT SUPPORT THE
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REDUCED SCALE MASS AND FORM OF THE FRONT FACADE? DOES THE BOAT SUPPORT THE PROPOSED STREET EDGE AT NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE? DOES THE BOAT SUPPORT THE COLONATED BUILDING EDGE ON THE SOUTH FACADE AND THE ESTABLISHED PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR CHARACTER? AND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BY THE BOARD, BUT THAT, WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY INITIAL NO, I DO.
I BELIEVE YOU IDENTIFIED THE ADJUSTED HEIGHTS UNDER EACH OF THE TWO, UH, MASSING.
COULD YOU STATE THOSE AGAIN, WHAT THEY WERE, BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T RE AS I RECALL, AND COULD NOT FIND ANYWHERE WHERE THEY WERE MENTIONED, SO YEAH, SO THE, THAT DATA WAS SUBMITTED AFTER THE PACKETS WERE PUBLISHED, SO THAT WAS SHARED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
SO THE FRONT HIGH IS APPROXIMATELY 25 AND THE REAR IS BETWEEN 32 AND 35 ON BOTH MASSING STUDIES.
UH, AND JUST FOR THE, UM, EASEMENT, I MEAN, WE HAD A MENTION OF SOMETHING ABOUT 10 FEET IN THE, IN THE PLANNING REPORT.
WE WANNA COME BACK TO THAT KIND OF AS WE GET PAST THAT AND SEE WHERE WE ARE.
THE APPLICANT WOULD THEY LIKE TO COME UP? AND, AND IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF OR, UH, UH, GIVE YOUR NAME AND, AND, AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
HI, I'M ANN ADAMS. ADDRESS IS 39 89 BROADWAY GROVE CITY, OHIO, 4 3 1 2 3.
JOE PICONE, UM, 600 STONE HEDGE PARKWAY, UH, DUBLIN, OHIO, THE ARCHITECT.
ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE STAFF REPORT BEFORE WE UM, WELL, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENTION WAS TO COME BACK AND PRESENT SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT AFTER TALKING WITH RTI AND SARAH FOR, OH, ALMOST A YEAR NOW OVER THIS PROJECT, IT SEEMS. BUT WE THOUGHT WE COULD DO BETTER THAN WHAT WE WERE, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO SORT OF SKIP OVER, EVEN THOUGH WE GOT SORT OF AN APPROVAL FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN, WE REALLY DIDN'T GET GOOD SOLID FEEDBACK ON THE ARCHITECTURAL MASSING.
I MEAN, WE, WE KNEW WE COULD DO BETTER AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE HERE TO SORT OF PRESENT WHAT WE THINK WOULD FIT THE SITE NICELY.
WE DECIDED TO JUST DO WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE BEST THERE AND NOT, UM, USE OUR PRECONCEPTIONS.
UM, WE WANT IT TO BE, UM, A BUILDING THAT IS UTILIZED BY THE PEDESTRIANS.
SO WE HAVE EXTERIOR SPACES, THE, THE POCKET PARK, THE PATIO, THE WALKWAY THAT CONNECTS BLACKSMITH TO HIGH STREET THAT WE BELIEVE IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND I THINK IT FITS THE SITES NICELY.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO COME HERE, PRESENT IT AND SEE WHAT, WHAT YOUR FEEDBACK MIGHT BE.
GOOD CONCEPT WE TRY TO ADDRESS.
ONE WE DID TRY TO INCORPORATE, UM, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD FROM THE, WELL ALL OF 'EM IS, UH, FLAT ROOF.
WE INCORPORATED A FLAT ROOF INTO THE CONCEPT, EVEN THOUGH THAT REALLY WASN'T OUR ORIGINAL CONCEPT WAS THE INCORPORATED, UH, FLAT ROOF, SINCE IT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THE DUBLIN THING, BUT I THINK IT WORKS WELL IN HERE.
UM, AND UM, AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE MATERIALS AND THE SCALE IS, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK A FLOOR OFF THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE DECEIVING WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE HEIGHTS.
I I DO WANT TO POINT THAT OUT ON HIGH.
WE HAVE A 12 FOOT GRADE CHANGE.
SO IMMEDIATELY THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING ARE GONNA BE A GREAT DEAL OF DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU TAKE THE MEASUREMENT FROM THE BLACKSMITH SIDE, BECAUSE IT STEPS DOWN THE HILL.
SO I USE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, WHICH WOULD BE THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE HIGH STREET SIDE AND THE LOWEST POINT OF THE BLACKSMITH SIDE.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A DISCREPANCY IN THE HEIGHTS.
MS. AS A FIRST COMMENT, I MEAN, I THINK FROM THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, YOU, YOU INCORPORATED A LOT OF THE STUFF WE ASKED.
SO FOR, FOR ME, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I THINK SOME OF THAT STUFF LOOKS, UH, LOOKS, YOU, YOU PUT THE STUFF IN THAT WE ASKED FOR AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I THINK IT, IT, IT, IT LOOKS, I WON'T SAY IT LOOKS BETTER.
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MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE, WE ASKED.SO I THINK IT UH, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT THOUGH.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ON THAT? YEP.
I JUST, UM, I LOVE THE COLONNADE.
I LOVE HOW, UM, IT'LL LOOK ON THE LANE.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT DESIGN.
I WISH I COULD TAKE CREDIT FOR IT, BUT THAT IT'S, THE CHANGES REALLY CAME FROM HER.
I JUST FELT LIKE I HAVE TO SAY THAT YEAH, IT'S A MUCH, UH, MORE INTERACTIVE BUILDING WITH THE SPACE THAN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM WHAT I CAN TELL WAS PROPOSED BEFORE.
SO IT WAS REALLY TO JUST TRY TO INCORPORATE, UM, A WAY FOR THE RESTAURANT AREA FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY THE OUTDOOR INDOOR SPACE BECAUSE THAT WAS ADDRESSED TOO, AS LIKE, HOW ARE WE GONNA GET THE RESTAURANT, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO VISIT TO EAT, TO ENJOY BLACKSMITH SIDE AND THEN ALSO TO BREAK UP THE MASSING MM-HMM.
I WAS GONNA SAY THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD BETWEEN THE MASS AND STUDY A AND B WITH THE CHANGE OF THE ROOF PITCH, ARE YOU GAINING OR LOSING ANYTHING THERE OR WHAT'S INTERIOR WISE? IS THAT EXPOSED OR, UM, NOT REALLY.
I PERSONALLY PREFER THE STRAIGHT GABLE END.
UM, BUT IT WAS JUST AN ALL A FEEBLE ATTEMPT TO LOWER THE HEIGHT BY THREE OR FOUR FEET.
REALLY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE SHOT OUT OF THE BALLPARK HERE BECAUSE WE HAD A COUPLE OF FEET TOO HIGH OR SOMETHING.
I WOULD PREFER
YOU LIKE YOUR, YOUR A MASSING VERSUS THE B.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE HEIGHT.
UM, I DID NOTE I WASN'T HERE AT THE MEETING THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, BUT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS NOTED WAS, UH, ABOUT TRASH LOCATION.
AND, AND MY QUESTION WAS, AND THEN ACCESS BECAUSE IT WAS DIRECTED THAT THAT BE INDICATED ON PLANS AND THEN, UH, AND THAT COULD STILL YET BE COMING, BUT I DID WANNA COMMEND THE IDEA THAT, UH, THE GREEN SPACE WOULD BE EXPANDED A LITTLE MORE BETWEEN THE TWO, THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC PROPERTY AND THE NEW BUILD.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT AT THIS POINT.
WE, WE MET WITH THE CITY ENGINEER.
UM, AND WE HAVE THE TRASH AREA LOCATED, SO WHERE THE, THE TRUCK CAN DRIVE STRAIGHT IN AND GRAB THE TRASH AND THEN BACK STRAIGHT OUT.
UM, AND THEN THE GREEN SPACE WE DID EXPAND.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT PHOTO SHOWED IT WHEN IT WAS UP THERE.
BUT YOU SAW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY THAT THAT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WHEN THE BOARD ALLOWED US TO ELIMINATE TO THOSE PARKING SPACES THAT WE'RE REALLY JUST IN A AWKWARD PLACE TO BEGIN WITH.
HOW DO YOU GET IN, HOW DO YOU GET OUT? AND THEN WE MADE THAT ALL POCKET PARK.
SO ALL OF THE SPACE FROM THE FRONT OF OUR BUILDING TO, UM, THE EXISTING BUILDING AND NOT THE SHED.
THERE IS ACTUALLY, LET'S SEE HERE, THE SHED'S GONNA BE THE PROPOSED GREEN SPACE.
AND THE GREEN SPACE WILL GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE THE WALKWAY GOES IN BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
AND THEN THE DUMPSTER IS STILL AT THE SAME LOCATION AS IT'S SHOWN IN THERE.
AND THEN THE ENGINEER WAS SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT CURVING THE ACCESS ON BLACKSMITH TO ALLOW THE TURNING RADIOS FOR THEM TO COME IN AND OUT, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IS ON THAT DRAWING RIGHT NOW.
UM, YOU THINK IT HAS TO BE ON THE PD P ONE? WELL, WE HAVE TO HAVE ENGINEERED ON THE PDP.
UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE HAD A SURVEY DONE, UM, SINCE THIS DOCUMENT WAS PRODUCED HERE.
UM, BUT WE THINK WE HAVE IT SOLVED AND IT'S GOING TO BE IN THAT LOCATION AT THE TOP OF THE HILL THERE, RIGHT BEHIND THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, 'CAUSE WE HAVE LIMITED SPACE TO ACCESS IN AND OUT.
SO LIKE I NOTICED THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN BLACKSMITH, EVERYBODY HAS LIKE A DUMPSTER AT THE STREET.
WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT ANYWHERE.
SO IT HAS TO HAVE THEM COMING UP AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO ENCLOSE IT TO MAKE IT LOOK, UH, NOT LIKE A DUMPSTER.
WITH A NICE PRETTY WHITE FENCE OR SOMETHING AROUND IT.
AND THEN THE PARKING PIECE THEN WILL BE PUBLIC PARKING IS GOING TO HIT THAT REQUIREMENT.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD INTERJECT.
HERE WE ARE JUST HERE TO DISCUSS, DO THE MASS MASSING AND THE DESIGN FOR THE BUILDING ALONE AND ANYTHING LIKE TRASH AND PARKING AND ALL THOSE TERRIBLY IMPORTANT ISSUES WILL BE DISCUSSED AND WORKED OUT THROUGH
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THE PDP PROCESS.I JUST WANNA MAKE JUST, I, I, I WANNA GO BACK TO THE MASSING 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
I THINK THAT THE GABLE ROOF REFLECTS THE FRONT AND IT IS REMINISCENT RIGHT.
OF WHAT'S ALREADY THERE AND THAT FLAT DOESN'T, AND FOR THE EXTRA AMOUNT OF HEIGHT, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS IMPORTANT AS HAVING THAT PIECE, UH, FLOW TO WHAT'S ALSO ON THE PROPERTY.
AND JUST MAYBE ONE LAST QUESTION JUST FOR THE, THE SLOPE GOING DOWN.
SO YOU'RE GONNA ADD THE, IT ADDS TO THE MASSING ON THE SIDE 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO UNDERNEATH THE ORIGINAL COLON AID.
SO YOU THINK THAT'LL BE LIKE THAT THREE FEET KIND OF JUST PAVED KIND OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WE'LL HAVE SITTING, UM, ENOUGH FOR, AND THEN LITTLE SPACE, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TOTAL WIDTH OF THE, UM, THE DRIVE, BUT WE TALKING WITH ENGINEERING, THEY WANTED US TO MAINTAIN, I BELIEVE 23 FEET.
SO WE DID REDUCE THE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING SLIGHTLY.
AND WE PULLED IT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE ACTUALLY TO THE NORTH A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT IT'LL BE CLEAR ABOUT 36 OR 38 ISH.
SO YOU'LL HAVE ENOUGH, YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE THE SPACE, YOU'LL HAVE THE PARKING, OR YOU'LL HAVE THE WAY TO GET IN AND OUTTA THAT SPOT FROM AT LEAST PRELIMINARY FROM ENGINEERING.
THE MASSING WILL FIT INSIDE OF WHAT THEY EXPECT? YEAH, I BELIEVE SO.
UM, NOW THAT WE HAVE THE SURVEY, IT PRETTY MUCH WE WERE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DETERMINE THAT THAT IS IN FACT TRUE.
UM, THERE'S, THE ONLY REASON I'M EVEN NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR IS BECAUSE THAT WALL THAT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THERE'S A STONE WALL, DRY STONE WALL THERE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER THE PROPERTY LINE AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, UM, STEEP INCLINE THERE.
SO WE NEED TO UTILIZE AS MUCH OF THAT PROPERTY WITH, TO, TO PROVIDE THE REQUIRED 23 FEET.
BUT IT, IT IS GONNA TAKE A LITTLE MANIPULATION, BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT.
AND FOR ME, I HAVE TO ADMIT, I LIKE BE BETTER, BUT I'M NOT
SO FOR ME, EITHER ONE OF THEM WOULD, WOULD, WOULD ABSOLUTELY WORK FOR ME, BUT, GOOD.
MAYBE ROD, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE KIND OF THE, THE RUBRIC YOU HAD THERE, THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS AND MAKE SURE WE GIVE THE APPLICANT, UH, FULL, UH, SOME, SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT SIDE.
SO, JUST AMONGST STUFF, I MEAN, DOES ANY, ANY, ANY COMMENTS ON WHAT YOU SAW THERE, JUST FROM A MAP, FROM WHAT WE SAW THERE AND JUST GENERICALLY TRYING TO SAY WHAT, WHAT'S THE BUILDING HEIGHT, SIZE, KIND OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WITHOUT ALL THE, ALL THE DETAILS IN THERE.
DO, DO, DO ANY, UH, COMMENTS ON WHAT, WHAT YOU SEE TODAY? NOPE.
I THINK PRETTY WELL WE'RE ALL HAPPY WITH WHAT, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I MENTIONED STUDY A LOOKED GOOD TO ME.
BUT YEAH, MY ONLY COMMENT, I THINK THE DESIGN IS GREAT.
I DO, AS I SAID BEFORE, PREFER THE STRAIGHT, BUT, UM, I WAS WONDERING TOO IF 30, 36 INCHES WOULD BE ABOUT THE MINIMUM IN ORDER TO SATISFY A DA MAYBE.
SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS COVERED AS WELL.
I MEAN, I THINK YOU HAVE SOME CONSENSUS AROUND A, FOR ME, I THINK BOTH OF THEM.
LOOK, I THINK WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS, HAS DONE A, HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB.
AND CERTAINLY I THINK, UH, FROM A MASSING AND HOW THE WRAPAROUND, HOW THE DEPTH MOVES BACK, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE, YOU'VE TAKEN DEPTH AWAY OR LET'S SAY MAKING MASSING AWAY FROM THE STREET, MOVED IT INTO THE COLON AIDS, THESE, UH, THESE AREAS.
I THINK YOU'VE DONE A NICE JOB TO KIND OF, AS YOU SAY, KIND OF DEEP DENSIFY THAT BACK WALL AND KIND OF MAKE IT SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UH, MOVING AWAY FROM THE STREETSCAPES.
I THINK ALL OF THAT WAS, UH, FOR ME WAS QUITE WELL DONE.
SO I THINK FROM A MASSING STANDPOINT, I THINK EVERYBODY'S PRETTY ALIGNED ON WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE WAIVER WILL BE AT, I MEAN, WE NEED A WAIVER ABOVE 30 FEET ON THE BACKSIDE.
SO EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO TO TRY TO MANAGE THAT TO, TO, FROM A HEIGHT STANDPOINT.
'CAUSE CERTAINLY IT'S STILL BIG ALONG THE BACK OF BLACKSMITH.
BUT, UH, I THINK ON THOSE SIDES WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THERE.
'CAUSE WE KNOW THE SLOPE IS SUPER SEVERE.
SO, YEAH, I THINK, UH, FROM EVERYBODY HERE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I MEAN, IF IT'S A LITTLE OVER, EVERYBODY FEELS, 'CAUSE WE'VE DONE THIS IN, IN ON SOME OTHER PLACES BACK THERE.
EVERYBODY FEELS OKAY IF IT'S ABOVE 30.
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WE COULD FIND THAT IF YOU CAN FIND A WAY TO KEEP IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.BUT I THINK THERE'D BE SOME CERTAINLY LEEWAY TO MAKE SURE IF IT'S, IF IT'S ABOVE 30, I THINK, UH, I THINK YOU SEE SOME CONSENSUS THAT, THAT THAT COULD BE OKAY ALSO.
UH, AND THEN CERTAINLY I THINK ON THE, ON THE MASSING, WHEN YOU BRING THE DOORS AND WINDOWS ALL BACK, I THINK THAT'LL REALLY, REALLY MAKE THE THING, UH, POP OUT.
SO GOOD ON THE MASKING, I THINK.
SO I THINK ON THE MA I THINK EVERYBODY FRONT FACADE, I THINK WE COVERED WITH, UH, HOW WE'VE, WE'VE CHANGED THE DOUBLE GABLE INTO A SINGLE GABLE OR, OR CHANGED IT IN, IT'S NOT EVEN, IT'S UH, WELL IT'S HIP KIND OF EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH HOW THE FRONT, UH, FRONT SIDE WILL LOOK ON THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS THERE? ANY COMMENTS? MM-HMM.
UH, PROPOSED EDGE AT BLACKSMITH LANE.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE QUESTION THERE? RODDY? PROPOSED EDGE BEING, BEING DIRECTLY ON.
SO PREVIOUSLY A VERY BOXY FORM WAS PRESENTED ALONG THE SOUTH RIVER, SORRY, ALONG BLACKSMITH LANE.
SO RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSED HAS CHANGED.
SO IT HAS A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND A LITTLE ACTIVITY LEVEL ON THE FIRST FLOOR, OR TECHNICALLY THE SECOND FLOOR FROM THIS SIDE, BUT THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE RESTAURANT.
SO OUR QUESTION IS THAT THE BOTH SUPPORT THAT MAKES USE ACTIVITY LEVEL AT THE BLACKSMITH LANE.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK FROM THE, JUST THE WAY WAY THE MASSING WILL BE AND HAVING SOME OUTDOOR SPACE AND BLACKSMITH LANE EVENTUALLY WILL BE, LET'S SAY, TRANSFORMED INTO OTHER THINGS.
I THINK THAT'LL ADD SOME SOMETHING TO THE, TO THE, TO TO THE SPACE THERE.
UM, MAYBE HERE, JUST 'CAUSE I WAS THINKING ON THIS EDGE ABOUT THE FIVE FOOT AND THE 10 FOOT.
DO WE NEED TO DO, I MEAN, IT WAS SOMETHING IN THE STAFF REPORT.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE WANNA TALK ABOUT? MAYBE JUST TOP LINE HERE JUST TO, JUST TO JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESSED WHAT YOU HAD IN THE STAFF REPORT.
A FIVE FOOT SETBACK IS REQUIRED AT THE REAR.
SO, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SINCE THERE IS A LOT GOING ON AT THE BLACKSMITH LANE.
INJURING RECOMMENDED A 10 FOOT SEAT SETBACK.
AND THIS IS WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THIS COULD BE NEGOTIATED WHILE WE ARE AT THE NEXT STEP.
UM, AT THIS POINT, IT'S NOT REQUIRED.
IT'S JUST RECOMMENDED BY INJURING.
UM, AND THIS CAN BE WALKED THROUGH THE PROCESS WHILE WE ARE DISCUSSING THE PDP APPLICATION.
I MEAN, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE, THERE'S A TRANSFORMATION ON BLACKSMITH AND MM-HMM.
I MEAN THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, THE CITY WILL SAY, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN MAYBE, UM, OPTIMIZE BLACKSMITH LANE A LITTLE BIT? SO I'LL LET YOU WORK THROUGH THAT DURING THE, DURING THE NEXT PHASE, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT WHEN WE COME BACK TO HERE.
SO NUMBER THREE, UH, FOUR ON THE COLON, UH, THE COLON AIDS ON THE SOUTH IN THE PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR.
HAS ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS THERE? I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.
I THINK IT, I THINK IT ACTUALLY LOOKS QUITE GOOD.
I THINK THE ONLY COMMENT IS THAT ON THE, THAT THAT TURNING, I THINK AS YOU SAW SOMEHOW WITH THE MASSING AND THE TURNING RADIUS AND THE, AND THE, UH, SETBACK TO BE ABLE TO GET THE TRASH TRUCK, ACTUALLY, I THINK PEDESTRIAN SAFETY KIND OF THERE, IF THAT'S GONNA BE A PEDESTRIAN WAY.
SO I I IN ENGINEERING YOU CAN WORK THROUGH THAT, BUT IF IT, AND YOU DO THAT COULD AFFECT SOMETHING ON HOW THE STREET SCAPE COULD LOOK.
SO JUST AS YOU GO THROUGH THAT, KEEP, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT THE NEXT TIME YOU'RE HERE, BUT WE'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND.
UH, AND OTHER CONSIDERATIONS? ANYBODY HAVE ANY? NO, I'M GOOD.
I, I THINK HERE, I THINK, I THINK WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THE NEXT ONE, I THINK.
SOME SAID, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY TRASH THE PEDESTRIAN, THE POCKET PARK PARKING YEAH.
WILL CERTAINLY BE A, WILL BE A, A MAJOR.
AND THEN I THINK ABOUT HOW THE WIN, WE TALK ABOUT WINDOWS AND TYING THE, THE FRONT MATERIALS TO THE BACK MATERIALS AND SOME OF THOSE, SO SOME CONSIDERATIONS AS WE GET TO THE NEXT, UH, THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME TO, TO, TO, UH, TO REVIEW AGAIN WHEN YOU COME BACK.
BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOOD.
NOW, ANYTHING FOR ANY, FOR YOU? IS THAT, IS THAT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO, UM, I, I THINK WE WE'RE ON OUR PATH TO GET THIS THING DONE.
SO WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE SET.
I FORGOT TO ASK, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? SORRY.
NO PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED.
OKAY, SO NOW LET'S MOVE ON TO CASE,
[Case #24-067MPR & Case #24-081MPR]
UH, 2 24 0 70 0 67.ONE 10, UH, ONE 10 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET.
AND I THINK IT'S TAYLOR TAYLOR.
BOARD MEMBERS AND GOOD EVENING.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW FOR EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS AT ONE 10 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET.
THE SITE IS LOCATED ALONG THE WESTERN BANK OF THE SCIOTO RIVER AND A SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF PENNY HILL
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LANE AND SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET.THE SITE TOPOGRAPHY SIGNIFICANTLY DROPS FROM SOUTH RIVERVIEW TOWARDS THE CIO SCIOTO RIVER.
UM, AND THERE ARE MATURE TREES WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAIN TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTS, UM, UNDER THE SAME ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
THIS IS AN EXISTING HOME WITH AN ATTACHED TWO CAR FRONT LOADED GARAGE.
NOTICE THAT SOME OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN AND ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE CONSTRUCTED AND DO REQUIRE A RB APPROVAL.
THERE IS NO STREET PARKING IN FRONT OF THIS RESIDENCE ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET.
AND AN EXISTING STORM SEWER OUTLET AND HEAD WALL ARE LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOME BEHIND THE WOOD FENCE, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND IMAGE HERE.
THESE IMAGES WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT DURING THEIR PRE-SUBMIT MEETING AND SHOW THE LIMESTONE STEPS AND LOOSE LIMESTONE ROCK IN THE REAR YARD.
HERE ARE ADDITIONAL IMAGES OF THE LOOSE LIMESTONE ROCK.
THE LEFT IMAGE SHOWS A PORTION OF THE ROCK JUST BELOW THE HEAD WALL OF THE CITY'S STORMWATER OUTLET ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOME.
AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED RAILING ON THE DECKS THAT ARE EAST FACING TOWARDS THE SCIOTO RIVER.
IN 2021, THE A RB APPROVED THE DEMOLITION OF A RESIDENTIAL DUPLEX AND A MINOR PROJECT TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SUBSEQUENTLY, STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED A LOT SPLIT TO ESTABLISH TWO PARCELS, ONE 10 AND ONE 12 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET.
AND IN 2022, STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED A LOWER DECK EXTENSION TO THE REAR OF THE HOME.
SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
UM, THE SITE PLAN THIS EVENING HAS BEEN BROKEN UP AMONGST THIS SLIDE.
AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE JUST TO CONCENTRATE ON SOME OF THE PROJECT AREAS.
SO ALONG THE FRONT AND SIDES OF THE RESIDENCE, WHICH ARE SHOWN HERE, THE PROPOSED HARDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE WALKING PATHS, STEPS, LANDSCAPE BORDERS, AND A STONE MAILBOX.
A FENCE ENCLOSURE WILL BE ADDED TO THE NORTH OF THE GARAGE AREA AND A DRIVEWAY EXPANSION IS ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING CONCRETE DRIVEWAY.
CONSTRUCTED IMPROVEMENTS ARE OUTLINED IN ORANGE AND NON-CONSTRUCTIVE IMPROVEMENTS ARE OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
THE PROPOSED MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE OF 47.7% INCLUDES THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND THOSE.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A WAIVER TO EXCEED THE 45% MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE TO ALLOW AN ADDITIONAL 374 SQUARE FEET OF HARDSCAPE, WHICH IS TRIGGERED BY AN IMPROVEMENT THAT I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
THE DRIVEWAY EXPANSION DOES NOT MEET SEVERAL QUOTE REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING THE MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE, THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED PAVEMENT WIDTH AT THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THE THREE FOOT STEP BACK FROM A SIDE LOT LINE FOR DRIVEWAY PAVEMENT AND GRAVEL IS NOT A PERMITTED DRIVEWAY, UH, PAVEMENT MATERIAL.
A WAIVER IS REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED BY A RB TO PERMIT GRAVEL AS A DRIVEWAY MATERIAL.
SO GENERALLY, STAFF WOULD NOT SUPPORT A DRIVEWAY EXPANSION OR GRAVEL MATERIAL IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE UNIQUE SITE CONDITIONS TO CONSIDER.
FIRST BEING THAT THE RESIDENCE IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO NARROW ROADWAYS, MAKING TURN TURNING MOVEMENTS BY LARGER VEHICLES SUCH AS A SCHOOL BUS, UH, CHALLENGING, UM, WITH STREET PARKING AT THIS LOCATION, THE GRAVEL PARKING AREA IS LOCATED OVER A CITY STORM SEWER.
UH, SO IF ACCESS IS NEEDED OR WARRANTED IN THE FUTURE, THE REMOVAL OF GRAVEL IS MUCH EASIER THAN OTHER PAVEMENT TYPES.
GRAVEL IS A PERVIOUS MATERIAL AND IMPROVES IMPERVIOUS AREA ALONG THE STREET SCAPE.
AND FINALLY, WE CAN SEE GRAVEL, UM, THROUGHOUT THE SURROUNDING AREA ON SOUTH RIVER VIEW, WHICH INCLUDES STREET PARKING AS WELL.
STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE WAIVER REQUESTS FOR THE GRAVEL MATERIAL AND THE MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE WITH A RECOMMENDED CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT REMOVE THE TAPER OF THE DRIVEWAY EXPANSION TO MEET THAT SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
NOTE THAT THE PROPOSED LOT COVERAGE WOULD STILL BE OVER 45%, THEREFORE WARRANTING THE WAIVER IF THE
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DRIVEWAY TAPER WERE TO BE REMOVED.SO HERE'S THE OTHER HALF OF THE SITE CLOSEST TO THE SCIOTO RIVER.
ALONG THE BACK AND SIDES OF THE RESIDENTS PROPOSED HARDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE WALKING PATHS, STEPS, LANDSCAPE BORDERS AND LOOSE ROCK STAIRS WILL BE ADDED TO THE LOWER, UM, LEVEL OF THE DECK.
THE APPLICANT WAS GRANTED EMERGENCY PROVISION BY STAFFED, UM, TO INSTALL LOOSE LIMESTONE ROCK BETWEEN THE HEAD WALL AND THE SCIOTO RIVER TO STABILIZE THE SITE, THE STEEP GRADE AS WELL AS THE STORMWATER OUTLET.
THE HEAD WALL AND THE ROCK IMMEDIATELY BELOW IT ARE SHOWN ON THIS SITE PLAN.
IN BLUE, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A WAIVER TO ALLOW MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE OF 47.7%.
UM, WHAT IS TRIGGERING THIS REQUEST IS THE OUTLET ROCK THAT'S SHOWN HERE IN BLUE.
STAFF SUPPORTS THE ADDITIONAL ROCK WHICH CONTINUES TO ALLOW WATER TO FLOW THROUGH THE SITE VEGETATION TO GO THROUGH THE ROCKS, WHICH WILL ALSO RESTORE THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY ALONG THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
A RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL ADDRESSES THE VEGETATION GROWTH DETAILS.
EAST ELEVATION FACING THE EOTA RIVER.
PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THIS ELEVATION INCLUDE THE STAIRS TO BE ADDED TO THE LOWER DECK THAT IS SHOWN HERE IN YELLOW.
AND THE DECK RAILING MATERIAL CHANGE, WHICH IS CIRCLED IN ORANGE ON TWO LEVELS.
THE STAIR MATERIALS WILL MATCH THE APPROVED DECKING, WHICH IS A THERMALLY MODIFIED OAK WITH A WALNUT STAIN.
THE PROPOSED RAILINGS WILL MATCH THE APPROVED DECK.
RAILINGS WILL CHANGE FROM WOOD TO A BLACK POWDER COATED ALUMINUM.
WE HAVE SEEN MODERN RAILINGS APPROVED IN THE HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT PREVIOUSLY WHEN THAT'S CONTEXTUALLY APPROPRIATE, ESPECIALLY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
ALL CODE AND GUIDELINE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET WITH THESE ITEMS AND STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND WE HAVE THE FOUR FOOT, UH, FENCE ENCLOSURE, UM, HERE, WHICH WILL BE USED FOR PETS AS WELL AS A SAFETY BARRIER FOR THE OUTLET HEAD WALL AND GRADE CHANGE.
THE FENCE IS MADE OF BLACK POWDER COATED ALUMINUM TO MATCH THE DECK AND STAIR RAILINGS, UM, THAT WE PREVIOUSLY SAW ON THE SLIDES.
AND THE ENCLOSURE FEATURES A SELF-CLOSING GATE.
AN EXISTING WOOD FENCE PANEL WAS INSTALLED ADJACENT TO THE HEAD WALL WITHOUT APPROVAL.
UM, THEY PRIMARILY INSTALLED THIS FOR SAFETY REASONS.
A RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRES THAT THAT ITEM BE REMOVED UPON THE INSTALLATION OF THE PROPOSED FENCE.
MATERIALS FOR THE HARDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE A STONE BLEND ON THE MAILBOX, LIMESTONE BORDER FLAGSTONES AND STEPS GRASSFIELD FINE GRAVEL, AS WELL AS TIMBER WAIVER CRITERIA FOR THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.
PAVEMENT MATERIAL ARE MET OR NOT APPLICABLE.
WEAVER CRITERIA FOR MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE ARE MET, MET WITH CONDITIONS ARE NOT APPLICABLE WHILE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW CRITERIA ARE MET, MET WITH WAIVERS AND CONDITIONS OR NOT APPLICABLE.
AND WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER REQUEST AND MINOR PROJECT WITH THREE CONDITIONS THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY, YEAH, I'VE GOTTA GET THIS THREE FOOT OF GRAVEL PARKING IN MY, CAN WE, DO YOU HAVE A SLIDE THERE WHERE WE CAN, THAT ONE JUST WASN'T FITTING.
I'M GOING TO, AM GONNA TELL YOU THIS IS A TOUGH LOT AND I'M SURPRISED THEY WERE ABLE TO BUILD LIKE THIS ON THAT LOT.
AND ALTHOUGH I DON'T REALLY CARE FOR THAT AND WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO IT ON OUR HOUSE, BUT IT'S THERE NOW.
SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS WHY WE'RE GONNA JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE AND MOVE IT NOW.
THE BOARD CAN EITHER APPROVE IT AS IT'S CONSTRUCTED OR YOU KNOW, AS PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THEY CAN REMOVE THE, UM, EXTRA THREE FEET TO MEET THAT SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
AND IT'S JUST THAT NORTH PIECE, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
AND, UM, FOR EXTRA CLARITY, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FIT A VEHICLE WITHIN THAT AREA ANYWAYS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT GIVES THEM EXTRA PARKING, UM, PER SE.
AND MORE THAN LIKELY, I'M ASSUMING, WELL, WE CAN ASK TOO WITH QUESTIONS, BUT FOR TURNING RADIUS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS FROM THE NEIGHBORS? BECAUSE
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TO THE NORTH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE THE SOURCE OF CONCERN WOULD BE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS NORTH OF THAT PROPERTY.I LIVE NORTH AND ACROSS THE STREET.
IT'S UM, IT'S ACTUALLY THAT THE PROPERTY IT ABUTS IS NEXT TO, I BELIEVE THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET OWN IT TO THE RIVER.
AND SO THERE'S NOT, THERE'S IT'S A PARK.
IT'S, SO IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S PROBABLY NOT AFFECTING THAT, THAT PROPERTY.
WELL, THE ONLY THING IS, IS THAT WE HAVE HAD THAT REQUIREMENT THAT THEY BE OFF THREE FEET.
SO THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
THE FACT THAT THEY WENT AHEAD AND DID IT IS REALLY ENCOURAGING INAPPROPRIATE STRUCTURE WITHOUT PERMISSION.
UM, MY OTHER COMMENT WAS ON THE GRAVEL DON'T, IF YOU DON'T GO TO IF, WE'LL IF YOU HAVE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, WE'LL COME BACK, GET THE, YOU YEAH, JUST MAKE SURE IF WE HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, JUST FROM, FROM THE STAFF REPORT.
JUST, JUST, UM, I'LL START WITH THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, SO IT SITS ON THE LOT LINE NOW.
I MEAN IT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO IT'S, IT'S A BUDDING DIRECTLY ON THE LOT LINE.
IF YOU LOOK SOUTH OF THERE, THERE ARE GRAVEL THAT SITS INSIDE THE, IT LOOKS TO ME, LOOKS IT SITS INSIDE A PEOPLE'S FRONT YARD.
SO THERE IS A, I THINK IT'S GRAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE GRAVEL AND PEOPLE HAVE MORE OR LESS MADE A PARK GRAVEL.
IT'S WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE CONSIDERED? ARE YOU I HAVE SOME EXISTING PICTURES OF SOME SITUATIONS.
LET PULL THAT UP REALLY QUICK.
IF GO SOUTH, JUST, UH, I MEAN FOR ME, ALL, MOST, MAYBE NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT MOST OF THEM, EVEN ON THE NORTH SIDE, THERE ARE, OR ON THE, SORRY, ON THE EAST, ON EAST, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE WOULD ALSO BE SOME, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT OF AWAY WHERE THEY ARE.
SO IF I LOOKING AT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY THAT IS, BUT YEAH, SO THOSE, THAT STONE OR GRAVEL, WHATEVER THAT IS, THAT'S IT.
BECAUSE THAT'S IN THEIR, ON THEIR PROPERTY, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THEIR RIGHT OF IT'S INSIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY LINE.
THE PROPERTY LINES FOR THESE PROPERTIES ON SOUTH RIVERVIEW ARE REALLY UNIQUE WHERE MANY OF THEM JET ACROSS THE ROAD EVEN AND YOU KNOW YEAH, I I KNOW YOU, YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT
UM, SO WE HAVE MANY INSTANCES WHERE THE, THIS IS CLEARLY STREET PARKING, BUT IT IS ON THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNER'S PROPERTY.
BUT DESIGNATED AS STREET PARKING, NOT LIKE SPECIFIC FOR THAT RESIDENCE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND THEY'RE PREEXISTING CONDITIONS AS WELL.
BUT THEY'RE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO THAT, SO WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT IS PUBLIC STREET PARKING? IS THAT HOW WE CONSIDER THAT TODAY? THESE PEOPLE WON'T PARK ON THAT.
I WOULDN'T EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO YEAH, YEAH.
BUT, SO IT'S NOT STREET PARKING.
THIS IS THEIR OWN, THIS IS PRIVATE PARKING.
PARKING THAT IS EXISTING CONDITION.
AND, AND TODAY WOULD BE NONCOMPLIANT? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE CLEAR ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE 20 FEET, SO THERE'S A 20 FOOT, THERE'S NO CURB.
SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW WE EXACTLY DO THAT.
AND THIS WILL BE, CONSIDER THAT PART OF THE DRIVEWAY, THE CURB CUT.
JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, JUST IF WE THINK ABOUT A WAIVER, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE GIVING A WAIVER OR WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE A WAIVER.
SO WOULD THAT 'CAUSE IT'S 20 MORE FEET, RIGHT? SO THE MAXIMUM CURB CUT IS 20 FEET, POTENTIALLY COULD BE 30 FEET, BUT IT, I DON'T SEE ANY WAY THAT IT CAN BE 40.
SO THE CODE SAYS THAT THE PAVEMENT WITH AND CURB LINE SHALL NOT EXCEED 20 FEET.
UM, AT THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE 30 NUMBER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S THE DISTANCE OR THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY TO THE FACADE OF THE GARAGE.
SO THAT'S MORE THE, THE DEPTH.
WHEREAS THE 20 FEET REQUIREMENT IS THE WIDTH AT THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE ACTUAL PAVEMENT OR CURB, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
IN THIS CASE WE DON'T HAVE A CURB.
BUT THIS OTHER 20 IN THE NEW IN THE CUTOUT WOULD THEORETICALLY BE IN THERE.
SO IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY PART OF THE 30.
I I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND FROM A CODE 20, 28 OR 30 FEET YEAH.
JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND FROM A CODE STANDPOINT, IF THIS SOMEHOW DOES OR DOESN'T COMPLY.
SO, 'CAUSE I THINK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT, YOU'RE, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A 30 FOOT DRIVEWAY RIGHT? WHEN YOU GET INTO, AFTER YOU GET PAST THE RIGHT OF WAY.
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YES.THAT'S, I I THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
AND THEN THIS AND THIS FOR MR. CHAIRMAN YEAH.
FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY ON THAT ISSUE.
PLANNING AND ENGINEERING GOT TOGETHER AND DISCUSSED THIS IN SOME DETAIL.
AND THE SALIENT POINT IS THAT BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE INTERSECTION AND THE NARROWNESS OF THE ROAD, THERE IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS HOUSE TO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF ON-STREET PARKING THAT TAYLOR SHOWED ON THOSE OTHER SLIDES.
SO IN FACT, EVEN GARBAGE TRUCKS, SCHOOL BUSES ARE ASKING THESE RESIDENTS NOT TO PARK ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY CANNOT MAKE THAT TIGHT CORNER.
SO IT FELT THAT THIS WAS THE BETTER OPTION THAN TO TALK ABOUT SORT OF ON STREET PARKING AND CREATING OTHER HAZARDS FOR TRAFFIC.
BUT FOR ME, THAT WAS ACTUALLY WELL ESTABLISHED IN YOUR REPORT, I THOUGHT, TO DESCRIBE WHAT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WERE.
AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT TOO, IT DOESN'T IMPLY THAT THIS SITUATION IS GONNA HAPPEN ON OTHER PROPERTIES ON THIS ROAD.
THIS IS REALLY A UNIQUE SITE, RIGHT.
THAT IT JUST, IF WE WERE TO BE ADDED, IT WOULD REALLY RESTRICT ACCESSIBILITY FOR THOSE LARGER VEHICLES AND OTHERS ALONG THE ROAD.
I'M CLEAR THE BUT IT STILL REQUIRES A WAIVER THAT SOMEHOW HAS TO BE THAT WE UNDERSTAND FROM THE CODE SITUATION WHERE, WHERE IT FITS.
AND TO CLARIFY, THE ROAD ITSELF IS NOT EVEN A NORMAL SIZE ROAD.
SO NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THAT NARROW TURN RADIUS, BUT YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY 15 FOOT ROADWAY
SO YOU COULDN'T PUT CURBS IN OR NO CURB CUTS.
I THINK IT MIGHT'VE BEEN THE FIRST OR SECOND STREET IN THE VILLAGE OF DUBLIN
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, SO IF I CAN ASK WHY DID THE STAFF WANT TO, UH, SQUARE UP THAT, UH, AND BRING IT BACK OFF THE PROPERTY LINE IF IN FACT THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO IT BEING UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
TO, TO OVERALL MEET AS MANY CODE REQUIREMENTS AS POSSIBLE.
UM, IF IT WOULD BE MAYBE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY FIT A VEHICLE WITHIN THAT AREA, BUT YOU CAN'T EVEN DO THAT.
JUST TO BRING THEM CLOSER TO COMPLIANCE WITH CODE REQUIREMENTS.
CLEAR ON THE DRIVEWAY AT LEAST.
YEAH, I THINK I AM TOO BECAUSE WITH PENNY HILL LANE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GO UP AND THEN GO UP PENNY HILL LANE, YOU PEOPLE PROBABLY EVEN DRIVE ON THAT LITTLE PIECE OF GRAVEL WHEN THERE'S ANOTHER VEHICLE COMING.
AND JUST ANOTHER, NOW GO, NOW I'LL GO TO THE HARDSCAPE.
JUST ON THE, ON THE GRA IF I LOOK AT THE, UH, THE, THE WATERWAY, THE, THE GRAVEL AND THE, THE, THE, I DUNNO, WHATEVER'S IN THE, THE LIMESTONE.
SO OF THE IF, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THE, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 800 AND I THAT COLOR IS 810 AND NOW IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT'S BIGGER.
IS IT IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT WITH WHAT YOU HAVE OUTLINED HERE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING, RIGHT, THE, THE BLUE AREA HIGHLIGHTED SPECIFICALLY IS FOR THE STORMWATER OUTLET.
UM, AND THERE'S MORE THAN THAT, BUT WHAT'S SHOW, IT'S SHOWING YOU THAT THAT'S ALL THAT'S ESSENTIALLY NEEDED FOR THAT, WHEREAS THE REST OF THE LOOSE LIMESTONE ROCK IS OUTLINED IN RED THERE WITHIN THE REMAINING, UM, OUTLINED ORANGE AREA BEFORE YOU HIT THE STEPS.
ALRIGHT, SO THE 800 AND SO IF YOU SUBTRACTED THE 810, IT WOULD BE UNDER 45%.
IS THAT IF, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
SO THE, THE STORM WATER, THAT PORTION OF THE LOOSE ROCK IS WHAT'S TRIGGERING, RIGHT? THE OVERAGE.
WHEN YOU, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IT, UH, YOU WANTING NATURAL VEGETATION TO GROW UP, IS IT FOR ALL THE ROCK THERE, NOT JUST THE STORMWATER ROCK? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THAT WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE THAT LANDSCAPE AND ALL THOSE TREES THAT USED TO BE THERE TO KIND OF COME BACK, THAT ALSO WILL STABILIZE THE RIVERFRONT THERE TOO.
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HAS DEEMED IT NECESSARY FOR THAT ROCK TO REMAIN.ANY EXTRA REMOVAL OF THAT LOOSE LIMESTONE ROCK WOULD ACTUALLY FURTHER DAMAGE THE SITE AND THE, UM, TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE.
IF NO OTHER CLARIFY, WOULD THE, IS THE APPLICANT HERE, IF YOU CAN JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR UH, AND YOUR ADDRESS.
IT'S CRYSTAL LARUSSA 2 5 0 MCCOY OF WORTHINGTON, OHIO.
AND I AM WITH THE ARRO AND LARISSA COMPANY, THE BUILDER OF THE HOME.
ANY, ANY FOLLOW UP COMMENTS TO ME? UM, NO.
SO I JUST WANNA ADDRESS THAT RIP WRAP THAT IS IN ALL THE LIMESTONE THAT IS THERE.
THAT WAS REALLY NOT BY THE CHOICE OF THE HOMEOWNERS, IT WAS ACTUALLY JUST DEEMED NECESSARY TO STABILIZE THE GROUND.
AS MS. MCDANIEL IS AWARE THAT HOME HAD TO BE BUILT ON CASSONS EVEN BECAUSE OF, YEAH.
SO THAT LIMESTONE THAT IS THERE AND THEN PUTS US OVER THAT LOT COVERAGE IS TRULY TO STABILIZE THAT AREA.
AND IF YOU'RE EVER OUT ON A REALLY BAD STORM DAY, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE HOW MUCH THAT STORM OUTLET AND THE WATERSHED IS AND IT'S STILL DETERIORATING AND IT'S CONTINUALLY HITTING EVEN THE CASSONS.
SO ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DIRECTED SOLELY WITHIN THAT BLUE AREA, IT DOES OVERFLOW EVEN OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA.
SO I CAN VOUCH FOR THAT
THEN LETTING THAT VEGETATION GROW, LET THINGS KIND OF BECOME MORE NATURAL, MORE STABILIZED.
ANY PUB AND I MEAN I SAY YOU OR NO MORE NO PUBLIC COMMENT HAS COME IN FOR THIS.
UM, SO MAYBE WE, UH, START WITH THE DRIVEWAY OR, OR LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY GRAVEL PAVEMENT AND KIND OF THE, THE NON UH, SAY NON, UH, APPROVED MATERIALS.
COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, TWO THINGS.
I MEAN BOTH HAVING IT THERE AND THEN WHERE IT SITS AGAINST THE, AGAINST THE LOT LINE.
I THINK THAT BRASSFIELD FINDS IS CO CONSISTENTLY BEING USED UP AND DOWN ON RIVER SOUTH RIVER VIEW.
SO IT'S CONSISTENT WITH, WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE DONE AS WELL.
SO, SO I THINK I'M TOTALLY OKAY THAT'S CONSISTENT WHAT'S BEEN DONE DOWN SOUTH RIVERVIEW FOR A LONG TIME WITH JUST GRAVEL.
UM, I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT POSSIBLY INCLUDING, UM, AT LEAST I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW THE PROPERTY OWNER ATTEN INTENDS TO MAINTAIN THE, UH, PARKING AREA AND PREVENT VEGETATION FROM COMING UP IN THAT AREA.
UH, IN THE BRASS FIELDS AREA WHERE THE CURRENT GRAVEL IS.
SO THERE IS A, AN ACTUAL, UM, NETTING UNDERNEATH OF IT TO MAINTAIN IT AS WELL AS A FABRIC AS WELL.
AND THEN THE GRAVEL IS PLACED ON TOP.
AND DOES THAT ALLOW, UH, FOR INFILTRATION OF WATER SO THAT YES IT DOES.
BUT JUST NOT THE VEGETATION TO COME THROUGH COME.
SO I THINK GRAVEL, I THINK EVERYBODY'S CLEAR.
WHAT ABOUT THE, I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE ONE THING IT'S SITTING ALSO AGAINST THE, UH, LOT LINE.
WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT, UH, 'CAUSE THAT WILL ALSO REQUIRE A, UM, I THINK I HEARD A BIT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, WHETHER IT, I GUESS IT COULD BE A WAIVER SITTING INSIDE OF THAT OR I THINK WITH TOM WE'VE SAID, OKAY, CLEARLY WE WANT TO TRY TO FOLLOW AS MANY CODE, CODE, CODE GUIDELINES AS UH, AS WE CAN.
BUT THERE ARE SOME SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES SITTING HERE.
I MEAN I GUESS IF UM, IF THIS IS IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTENT, IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE REMOVED.
IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO STICK TO CODE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE IT TO BE REMOVED, I GUESS.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S ALREADY THERE.
IT PROBABLY ISN'T HURTING ANYTHING, BUT I, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M CONFLICTED.
ARE WE JUST DOING IT BECAUSE, JUST TO DO IT WHEN IT'S ALREADY THERE, IT'S REALLY NOT BOTHERING ANYTHING ELSE.
I'M A LITTLE CONFLICTED ABOUT IT, SO, BUT I CAN BE PERSUADED IF YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTA DO IT IN ORDER TO KEEP CODE.
MIKE, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT PERSONALLY AM I'M OKAY WITH THE WAY IT IS NOW, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, WHICH IS NOT A GREAT THING.
NO, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE GOTTA SUPPORT THE CODE.
IS THERE, UM, ANOTHER EXAMPLE I CAN THINK OF IT THAT'S GOING
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TO OCCUR IN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT'S SO UNIQUE DOWN THE STREET, THERE'S NO NEIGHBOR, IT'S, IT'S PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY SOMEBODY, BUT IT'S NEVER GONNA BE DEVELOPED.I, I DON'T THINK IT, I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S NOT GONNA BE DEVELOPED, BUT THERE IS THE OTHER SPLIT LOT.
SO THAT OTHER LOT WILL GET DEVELOPED EVENTUALLY NEXT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
WHICH WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF GONE WITH THAT PIECE OF IT.
SO I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I HAD WITH RUNNING THE, UH, GRAVEL RIGHT UP TO THE, TO THE BOUNDARY LINE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER OR A FUTURE PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT DO WITH THAT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
MAYBE IT'LL BE SPLIT OFF AND ADDED TO EACH OF THESE SIDE PIECES.
I JUST, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH THAT AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, A NOT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO UM, NOT FOLLOW THE CODE BY DOING IT FIRST AND A ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS AND B, THAT WE HAVE THAT SETBACK FOR A REASON.
AND THERE I DON'T REALLY HEAR A GOOD ARTICULATED REASON FOR THAT PARTICULAR SETBACK.
HOWEVER, IF I HAD LIKE AN AERIAL VIEW OF THAT CORNER THAT MAYBE SHOWED WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE WHEN A BUS CAME AROUND AND THEY WERE GONNA HIT THE GRASS ANYWAY, MAYBE I WOULD, COULD BE PERSUADED OTHERWISE.
BUT AS FAR AS THE STAFF THAT I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF SAYING THAT THAT THREE FOOT GRAVEL SURFACE SHOULD BE REMOVED IN ORDER TO MEET THE SETBACK.
WELL YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT ABOUT, WHILE I DON'T THINK THAT THE CURRENT OWNER WANTS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY TOUCHED, NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE FUTURE THAT SOME NEW OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY WOULD DECIDE TO, I MEAN EVERYBODY ELSE ALONG THAT TREE HISTORICALLY, RIGHT? THEY ALL USED TO OWN THAT PROPERTY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE RIVER.
AND IT MAY BE THAT SOMEBODY WOULD DO THAT.
SO I MEAN THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
AND THEN WHEN THAT WOULD'VE HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, THE GRAVEL WOULD BE UP AGAINST A PROPERTY LINE.
I THINK WITH THEM REMOVING, IT'S NOT A HARDSHIP FOR THEM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THEY MADE A MISTAKE AND PUT IT, THEY WENT TOO FAR AND VERSUS I DON'T THINK WE'RE PUTTING ENOUGH FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THEM TO SAY NO, GET THAT BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TOO.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M, IF IT WOULD'VE SPENT MEGA DOLLARS AND WE HAD, YOU KNOW, THEN WE GOT A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
BUT YEAH, I'M, I'M DEFINITELY THE MORE I'M PROCESSING IT, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE CONSISTENT BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME SHOWING PRECEDENTS WHY WE DID THIS.
HOW WOULD, HOW COULD WE DOCUMENT THAT THE REASON WE DID THIS WAS WELL THEY DID IT AND THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT.
SO VERSUS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT OCCURRED THAT WE HAD TO GO AHEAD AND AGREE TO GIVE THEM THAT THREE FEET OR WHATEVER.
BUT UH, YEAH, I, I'M GOOD WITH, OKAY, SO GETTING THAT THREE FOOT BACK MAKE IT CONSISTENT BECAUSE UH, IT'S JUST GOING TO HARD FOR US TO, IF EVERYBODY KEEPS TAKING THREE FEET AWAY DOWN THAT STREET, AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE RIVER
SO ANYWAY, OKAY, SO I THINK, UM, ARE WE ASKING, UH, I MEAN IT'S ALREADY IN THERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT WAS A STA IT WAS A COMMENT ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD NOT, SO I JUST WANTED TO, I WANTED TO KIND OF GET THAT ONE OUT OF THE WAY.
SO I THINK WE'RE AGREED WE SHOULD KEEP THAT AS A CONDITION.
YES, I THINK, I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE ALSO, I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND THE REASON TO LEAVE IT WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROPERTY BESIDE IT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE.
SO NOW HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ADDING WHERE IT SAYS, EXCEPT FOR THE PAS AND STAIRCASES, UH, ADDING SOMETHING FOR THE, UM, PARKING AREA SO THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME WEED INFESTED OR I DON'T, DO WE FEEL THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE STATED.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD WANT THEIR, I THINK IT'D BE HARD TO ENFORCE WHO'S GONNA ENFORCE IT.
YEAH, I MEAN THIS IS WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
AND I HAD RAISED IT BEFORE AND I, BECAUSE THIS IS A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE WE ARE APPROVING A MATERIAL THAT'S NORMALLY NOT APPROVED.
I KNOW THAT ONCE DRIVEWAYS ARE BUILT IN THE CITY, THERE'S VERY LITTLE DONE ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF THEM AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT.
YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENS THAT DRIVEWAYS WILL DETERIORATE, ET CETERA.
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IT'S REALLY LEFT TO THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAINTAIN, WHICH I THINK THAT'LL BE CODE COMPLIANCE AT SOME POINT THAT THEY WILL COME BACK AND DO THAT.WHAT KIND OF STUFF? SO, UH, DOWN THE STREET, WHERE IS THAT THE SAME KIND OF MATERIAL THAT UM, WHEN YOU SHOWED THE PICTURES, RIGHT, AND THEY'VE, THEY PUT THE, THE, IS THAT THE SAME MATERIAL OR SIMILAR MATERIAL TO CREATE THE PARKING, THE OFF STREET PARKING FOR THEM? I CAN'T SPEAK IF IT'S THE EXACT SAME GRAVEL, BUT IT'S A SIMILAR COLOR AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A LIKE, FOR LIKE COMPARISON.
THE REASON WHY I SAY THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE I'M WALKING DOWN THERE.
IT'S BEEN IN PLACE NOW FOR I THINK OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AND IT, IT'S MAINTAINED ITS LOOK.
AND SO I DON'T, I GUESS I DON'T, THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S AN ISSUE.
AND FOR ME, I THINK IT'D BE, I AM NOT CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE PROPERTY OWNER, I MEAN I'M SURE WITH A BRAND NEW HOUSE THEY'RE GOING TO WANNA TAKE CARE OF THE HOUSE AND ALL OF ITS ACCOUTREMENTS.
NATURALLY THERE'S TOO MUCH INVESTMENT.
NOT TO, ALL I WAS ASKING WAS, IS THERE SOME, AND IN PART YOU HAVE EXPLAINED THAT THERE IS A, A MESHING THAT'LL ALLOW WATER TO INFILTRATE, WHICH WAS ANOTHER CONCERN.
'CAUSE IF YOU PUT A BLOCKAGE, LIKE A PLASTIC OR SOMETHING DOWN, EVENTUALLY IT IS GONNA DETERIORATE AND EVENTUALLY, AND IT ISN'T REALLY ALLOWING, ALLOWING WATER TO SEEP IN, WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON OF USING THIS MATERIAL VERSUS CONCRETE.
SO THAT WAS JUST ONE OF MY POINTS WAS, IS THERE ANY CONCERN? AND IF NO ONE ELSE HAS A CONCERN, I FEEL SATISFIED BY THE EXPLANATION GIVEN ABOUT IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE BEAUTIFUL, VERY, UM, UNIQUE HOUSES BEING BUILT DOWN THERE.
A YEAR AND A HALF ISN'T A VERY LONG TIME IN THE LIFE OF A HOUSE.
UM, 50 YEARS
AND THINGS DO, YOU KNOW, FALL INTO DISREPAIR, WHETHER IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR IN MEREFIELD OR IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT JUST HAPPENS WITHOUT CHRONIC MAINTENANCE.
SO I, THIS IS ALL I WAS BRINGING UP AS A QUESTION BECAUSE I HAD RAISED IT PREVIOUSLY IN A DIS IN AN EMAIL ASKING TAYLOR AND UM, SARAH FOR SOME CLARIFICATIONS.
UM, SO I KIND OF SKIPPED AROUND TAYLOR 'CAUSE I, I WENT, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE GOT THE THREE FEET GRAVEL AND THEN COME BACK TO THE, COME BACK TO THE COVERAGE WAIVER JUST TO MAKE SURE WE WERE CLEAR ON THAT.
I THINK WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT.
UH, ANY CONCERNS ON THE 47.7? UH, LOT COVERAGE BARRIER, UH, WAIVER? SORRY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY, NO CONCERNS ON MY SIDE.
I THINK IT'S IMPOSED BY A CERTAIN LOT CONDITION, SO I THINK ON THAT SIDE, I'M, I'M ALSO OKAY.
UM, SO I THINK FROM THE, SO WE'RE GOOD ON THE, UH, UH, GRAVEL, THE 47.
UH, AND THEN ON THE, ON THE CONDITIONS, I THINK WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON THAT.
THE THREE, WE, WE TAKE THE CONDITION OF REMOVING THE THREE FEET.
UH, NOW WE TALK ABOUT THE HEAD WALL ON YOUR SIDE.
IT'S, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE OWNER, IT'S, THAT'S OKAY TO TAKE THE, FOR, FOR THEM TO TAKE THE HEAD WALL THAT THE WOOD HEAD WALL THAT'S IN THERE NOW AND REPLACE IT WITH THE YEP.
AS LONG AS THAT FENCE IS APPROVED.
AS A SAFETY CONCERN AND THE VEGETATION.
DO YOU WANT ME TO START THE MOTIONS THEN ON THESE? IS THERE ANOTHER, IS THERE ANOTHER WAIVER IN HERE? THERE'S JUST THE THREE.
UH, YEAH, I THINK ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS THOUGH? YEAH.
SO ALL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE THE GRAVEL PAVEMENT MATERIAL WAIVER.
SO MOVED OR SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL RIGHT, THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 47.7% MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE WAIVER.
AND THEN A FINAL MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINOR PROJECT WITH THE LISTED CONDITIONS.
DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THOSE OFF? OR? UM, WITH THE NORTHERN THREE FEET OF GRAVEL PARKING SURFACE GOING TO BE REMOVED, THAT THE EXISTING WOOD FENCE AND ADJACENT HEAD WALLS REMOVED UPON THE INSTALLATION OF THE LUMEN FENCING AND THAT THE HOMER ALLOWS VEGETATION TO GROW THROUGH THE LOOSE LIMESTONE ROCK EXCEPT FOR THE PAST STAIRCASES TO ENCOURAGE LANDSCAPE TO RETURN TO ITS NATURAL STATE.
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SECOND, MS. PAT MCDANIEL? YES.OKAY, SO ONTO THE NEXT TWO CASES.
[Case #24-060DEMO & Case #24-030MPR]
UM, 24 0 6 0 DEMO AT 27 NORTH RIVERVIEW AND 24 3 0 3 MINOR PROJECT REVIEW AT 27 NORTH RIVERVIEW.AND, UH, JUST A QUICK POINT OF ORDER.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANTS NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
I, I, YEAH, WOULD YOU, MR. TAYLOR, WOULD YOU, LIKE YOU, I DON'T THINK YOU WERE HERE WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UH, SWORN, I DUNNO IF BOTH OF YOU WERE GONNA PRESENT, BUT IF, UH, LET ME GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING HERE.
IF YOU BOTH, UH, UH, UH, SO ANYBODY INTENDING, SO IF YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? YES.
SO THIS IS INDEED 27 NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET.
IT'S A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW, SOME WAIVERS AND A DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK BUILDING.
THE LOCATION IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE WING, HILL LANE AND NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET IS SHOWN IN YELLOW HERE.
THIS SITE IS WITHIN THE HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
IT SITS BETWEEN BOTH HISTORIC CORE AND HISTORIC PUBLIC.
THE HOUSE IS A LANDMARK GABLED L AND THE LANDMARK OUTBUILDING, AGAIN, IS THE SUBJECT OF THE DEMOLITION REQUEST.
TONIGHT IN MAY, THE BOARD APPROVED WAIVERS FOR A BUILDING FOOTPRINT INCREASE AND A REAR SETBACK DECREASE.
AND THE APPLICANT WAS GIVEN ADDITIONAL DIRECTION NOTED HERE AND IN THE REPORT.
AND ALSO IN MAY, THE APPLICANT OBTAINED BZA OR BOARD OF ZONING APPEAL VARIANCE APPROVALS FOR ADDITIONAL BUILDING FOOTPRINT AREA AND ADDITIONAL REAR SETBACK REDUCTION.
SO FOR THIS PRESENTATION, UH, WE'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE CHANGES MADE SINCE MAY.
TAKING A LOOK AT THE REVISED SITE PLAN, THIS IS A A PARTIAL SITE PLAN AND IT SHOWS THE HISTORIC HOUSE IN DARKER GRAY IN ITS NEW LOCATION.
AND THE ADDITION IN THE LIGHTER GRAY, THE AREA SHADED IN RED ARE THE ADJUSTED FOOTPRINT.
SINCE THE LAST TIME THAT THIS BOARD SAW THE PROJECT, UH, THOSE ADJUSTMENTS CREATE THE, UH, REQUESTED OFFSETS FOR THE ADDITIONS.
AND FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE SHED FOR THE DEMOLITION.
TAKING A LOOK AT THE REVISED FRONT ELEVATION, THE BLUE LINE INDICATES THE DEMARCATION BETWEEN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THE RIGHT AND THE ADDITION ON THE LEFT.
AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THERE'S A CHANGE IN BOTH THE, THE ROOF LINE AND THE MATERIAL AS REQUESTED.
ADDITIONALLY, WE SEE THE MAIN WINDOW NOW HAS THE OFFSET M AND THIS EAST FACING DOOR TRIM AND TRANSOM ARE TO BE RETAINED.
MOVING ON TO THE NORTH ELEVATION, THE ORANGE CIRCLE INDICATES A ROOF PITCH WAIVER LOCATION.
THIS IS UNCHANGED SINCE MAY, BUT WE NEED TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT.
THE BLUE LINE AGAIN MARKS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HISTORIC HOUSE ON THE LEFT AND THE ADDITION ON THE RIGHT.
AND AGAIN, NOTE THE OFFSET AND THE MATERIAL CHANGE.
ANOTHER CHANGE IS THE REMOVAL OF THE 1960S ERA CHIMNEY FROM THIS LOCATION.
STONE IS USED ON THE MAJORITY OF THE ADDITION AND VERTICAL TONGUE AND GROOVE SIDING IS USED AS AN ACCENT.
WINDOWS ARE TWO OVER TWO AND THEY'RE ARRANGED APPROPRIATELY PER THE GUIDELINES.
LOOKING AT THE SOUTH ELEVATION, AGAIN, THE ORANGE CIRCLES INDICATE LOCATIONS OF THE ROOF PITCH WAIVERS.
WE HAVE THE SAME COMBINATION OF MATERIALS.
AND HERE AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT NEW OFFSET AND THE CHANGE IN MATERIALS.
AS A REQUESTED, THIS IS THE VIEW FROM BLACKSMITH
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LANE AND THE GARAGE DOOR CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WITH A TRADITIONAL OVERHEAD DOOR SYSTEM.THE MATERIALS ARE GENERALLY THE SAME AS IN MAY.
WE JUST HAVE SOME COLOR CHANGES HERE.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT GAF SLATE LINE SHINGLES AND ROYAL SLATE AND ATIS, UH, STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF IN CHAR BROWN.
NOW ALL OF THESE MATERIALS, BY THE WAY, ARE UPFRONT.
THE FOUNDATION REMAINS THE SAME.
THIS IS THE CRAFT ORCHARD LIMESTONE IN TIMBER WOLF AND ALL WINDOWS WILL BE THE MARVIN ULTIMATE CLAD IN BRONZE.
NOW THE SIDING IS TO BE PAINTED THE HAMMERED SILVER WITH THE TRIM IN IRON ORE.
AND THE VERTICAL SIDING ON THE ADDITION IS TO BE PAINTED IRON ORE.
FURTHER, WE HAVE HALF ROUND COPPER GUTTERS WITH ROUND DOWNSPOUTS VLU FIXED SKYLIGHTS IN A MEDIUM BRONZE FINISH.
THE FRONT PORCH SOUTH PATIO AND THE WALK PAVING ARE THE GLEN GARRY THIN BRICK PAVING.
AS SHOWN THE LIGHTING REMAINS THE SAME WITH THIS LOMBARD LANTERN.
THE MAN DOORS ARE NOW PAINTED QUARTER SAW AS SHOWN.
AND THE GARAGE DOORS ARE THAT STEEL OVERHEAD CORE FACED WITH THE VERTICAL THERMALLY MODIFIED ASHWOOD PAINTED IRON ORE.
IN MAY WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIDING ON THE HOUSE.
AND YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT THE CODE, THE GUIDELINES, THE ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL DOCUMENTS, ALL WISH TO PRESERVE HISTORIC FABRIC AS OUR FIRST CHOICE.
THE BUILDING DOES HAVE ORIGINAL DROP SIDING AND PRETTY GOOD CONDITION.
SO A RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL IS CARRIED FORWARD TO FIRST SUPPORT THE USE OF THE ORIGINAL DROP SIDING.
SECOND, REPLACE ANY, UM, DAMAGE DROP SIDING WITH NEW.
AND THE THIRD CHOICE IS TO REPLACE SIDING WITH THE SMART SIDING UNDER SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND WITH THE FOUR INCH REVEAL, NO INFORMATION HAS CHANGED ON THE DEMOLITION PORTION OF THE REQUEST.
SO I'LL, I'LL KIND OF MOVE THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED PHOTOS OF BOTH THE FRONT AND REAR AND INSIDE THE STRUCTURE.
AND YOU'VE GOT THE FULL PHOTOS IN YOUR PACKET.
ALL LANDMARK, UH, DEMOLITION CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET OR ARE NOT, UH, APPROPRIATE.
SO STAFF SUPPORTS THIS REQUEST, THE WAIVER FOR THE VARIOUS ROOF PITCHES.
UM, THE CRITERIA ARE MET, ONE IS NOT APPLICABLE.
THE USE OF THE LP SMART SIDE SIDING IS NOT SUPPORTED, BUT IT'S SUPERSEDED BY THAT RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT I MENTIONED.
THE USE OF THE SMART SIDE TRIM, THE MAJORITY OF THE CRITERIA ARE MET AND THE REMAINDER ARE NOT APPLICABLE.
AND FINALLY, THE MINOR PROJECT CRITERIA ARE MET, MET WITH CONDITIONS AND OR WAIVERS.
SO WE COME TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION REQUEST, APPROVAL OF THE ROOF PITCH WAIVERS, DISAPPROVAL OF THE SMART SIDE SIDING, BUT AGAIN, NOTING THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL, UH, APPROVAL OF THE SMART SIDE TRIM WAIVER, AND THEN APPROVAL OF THE MINOR PROJECT WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS AS NOTED.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE, I'M GOOD.
SARAH, ANY UH, FOLLOW UP FROM, FROM THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING.
RICHARD TAYLOR, RICHARD TAYLOR ARCHITECTS.
I THINK THE PRESENTATION COVERED EVERYTHING THAT WE WOULD'VE SAID.
SO WE'LL WAIT FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.
NO, THAT'S MY FAVORITE HOUSE ON THAT STREET.
SO, AND I LOVE WHAT YOU'VE GOT PROPOSED.
I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF YOU CAN, TO SAVE THAT SIDING.
I'VE HAD TO DO THAT ON A HISTORIC HOME.
SO I KNOW THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO, BUT I WOULD
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CONCLUDE I WOULD CONCUR WITH TRYING TO DO THAT IF YOU CAN.AND I KNOW WE HAD A IN THE COMMENTS TOO ABOUT THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDINGS AND WHATEVER, ABOUT IF THERE'S ANY ARTIFACTS OR HOW WILL THAT STUFF BE HANDLED? ARE YOU GONNA BOX IT UP, TAKE IT TO PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR
IF IT'S LARGER THAN A BREAD BOX OR PARTICULARLY HEAVY, PERHAPS WE COULD GET SOME PHOTOGRAPHS.
UM, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST MAYBE FOR MY OWN AS WE, DID WE, I MEAN WHEN WE DID, WE HEARD LAST TIME, WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH LIKE ALL THE DETAILS OF THIS.
JUST MAYBE A COUPLE FOR ME JUST TO CLARIFY.
ON THE SOUTH SIDE, I THINK IT'S IN THE KITCHEN.
THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WINDOW THAT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER ONE'S GOT.
I THINK A TRANSOM AT THE TOP OF THAT.
AND THAT JUST, UH, THAT'S TO A LOT MORE LIGHT IN BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S BEHIND THE KITCHEN.
SO THAT, THAT SITS IN THE KITCHEN.
AND THEN, UM, LIKE THE BUMP OUTS TOWARD THE, IN THE, WHAT IS THAT ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE THE WINDOW, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE GARAGE I THINK.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE, BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT THESE, IS THAT THE LOT MORE LIGHT IN BECAUSE YOU HAVE THOSE TWO OTHER, TWO OTHER SHALLOW PITCHED ROOFS THAT ARE ON THE GARAGE.
I GUESS THEY WOULD BE JUST, UM, I REMEMBER LAST TIME WE JUST DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT SO MUCH.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OTHER STUFF.
SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A BIT MORE THE IMAGE SO WE CAN SURE.
SO IT'S ON THE, ON THE, IF YOU LOOK ON THE, IF YOU LOOK ON THE NORTH SIDE, NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE, OH THAT'S, THAT BUMP OUT 20, I THINK IT IS JUST, UH, YEAH, SO, UH, SO IF YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT OF THAT DRAWING, SO YOU HAVE THAT, THAT SMALL PITCHED ROOF WITH THOSE TWO WINDOWS IN THERE, I THINK IT'S JUST RECESSED IN THE GARAGE.
I THINK THAT PART IS THE GARAGE THERE.
SO THOSE, BOTH OF THOSE EXTEND OUT.
IT'S FOR ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST AND JUST TO KEEP THAT FROM BEING A BIG BLANK STONE WALL.
SO THAT, I MEAN, IT'S THERE FOR YOU, I MEAN, JUST TO GIVE IT SOME CHARACTER.
UM, AND THEN I THINK THE REST OF 'EM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE PITCHED ROOFS? I THINK WE TALKED QUITE A BIT THROUGH THIS AND THEN I THINK IT ALSO ADDS SOME INTEREST INSIDE OF THAT.
UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON THE STONE VENEER ON THE, ON THE BASEMENT.
I THINK THAT, UH, I THINK WE'RE ALL CLEAR.
UM, WHERE, WHERE DOES THE BRICK GO? MAYBE I MISSED THAT SOMEPLACE.
SO THE FRONT STOOP, THE BACK, THERE'S THE THREE STEPS AT THE FRONT, THE TWO STEPS AT THE BACK AND THE TWO WALKWAYS.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE, THEY'RE JUST, UH, THE WALKWAYS WILL BE RIGHT, THE WILL BE THE BRICK AND WE DON'T WANNA TAKE STONE OUT TO THE STREET.
WE'RE TAKING BRICK OUT TO THE STREET.
UH, AND THEN I THINK, AND THEN APPROVE, YOU ALSO TRY TO, UH, KEEP THE, UM, DETAILS OF THE PORCH TOO.
AND I THINK IT SITS INSIDE OF THAT.
IT WASN'T A CONDITION, BUT YOU'LL TRY TO KEEP, OTHER THAN GETTING ALL THE OLD PAINT OFF AND CLEANING IT UP, IT'S NOT CHANGING.
AND THEN I GUESS YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE SO FAR.
UH, SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT, I MEAN, I, I THINK THE BIGGEST CONDITION IS ABOUT THE, UH, SIDING.
SO YOU'RE, SO I GUESS FROM THAT STANDPOINT, SARAH, THEY'LL COME, THEY'LL INTERFACE WITH THE STAFF TO SAY, HEY, FOUND, FOUND A WAY OR DIDN'T FIND A WAY.
AND IF THEY DON'T FIND A WAY AND WE DISAPPROVE THIS, THEN THAT, WHAT, WHAT WILL THAT MEAN? SO THE ORDER WOULD BE, UM, THE ORIGINAL DROP SIDING, THE REPLACEMENT DROP SIDING, AND THEN FINALLY THAT SMART SIDE WITH THE FOUR INCH REVEAL.
SO THE BOARD WITH THIS CONDITION WOULD BE AUTHORIZING STAFF TO OKAY.
WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
SO THAT DISAPPROVAL WOULD KIND OF ROLL DOWN TO THIS CONDITION.
AND THAT WOULD HAPPEN BEFORE BUILDING PERMITS.
SO ALL OF THIS WOULD BE WORKED OUT AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, DO YOU WANNA DO THIS BEFORE? UH, SO JUST ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE DEMO? 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T TALK TOO MUCH.
YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD AND GO DOWN THROUGH THE EACH ITEM AND WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, DO ANYBODY HAVE A COMMENT? I MEAN, NOBODY HAS A, ANY DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ABOUT THE DEMO ON THAT, I THINK.
AND I THINK WITH WHAT IT WAS DONE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE FINANCIAL PART WAS FOR ME IT WAS CLEAR ENOUGH TO BE A, BE A REASON FOR THE DEMO.
SO PUBLIC COMMENTS? NONE, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO, NO COMMENTS.
UH, SO IF WE DON'T, LEMME START.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS ON THIS.
UH, WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON WHERE WE ARE THEN I THINK WE GO AHEAD AND START.
SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION LANDMARK REQUEST.
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ALRIGHT.UH, SECOND WAS THE APPROVAL OF THE ROOF PITCH WAIVERS TO ALLOW THREE TO 12, FOUR TO 12 IN THE FLAT ROOFS.
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE A SECOND.
DID YOU MOVE? I DIDN'T HEAR HIM MOVE, SO I THOUGHT HE WAS JUST READING.
ALRIGHT, SARAH, I'M GONNA NEED HELP WITH THIS ONE BECAUSE WHERE'S THE VERBIAGE IN REGARDS TO, WE'RE GONNA DISAPPROVE THE SMART SIDE SIDING WITH THE, UM, NPR, THE CONDITIONS.
AND THOSE CONDITIONS ARE ONE, WE USE THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL FIRST.
SECOND WOULD BE TO USE LIKE MATERIAL IF FOUND AND REPLACE CAN REPLACE IT.
OR THE THIRD THEN WOULD BE THE SMART SIDING.
AND WE'RE AUTHORIZING STAFF TO WORK WITH THE, UH, BUILDER ON THAT.
SO ARE WE, WE MOVING TO DISAPPROVE RIGHT NOW? NO, YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR MOTION AND THE AFFIRMATIVE AND VOTE MOTION TO DISAPPROVE THESE.
AND THEN YOU COULD VOTE NO FOR ME.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND THEN, THEN, THEN DON'T APPROVE IT.
WELL, HONESTLY, WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE THE SMART SIDE TRIM.
SO THE WAY THEY HAVE 'EM LISTED OUT IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO ME WOULD BE THE MOST LOGICAL.
SO WE WOULD MOVE TO DISAPPROVE.
I THINK WE'VE, IN THE PAST WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO DO IT IN THE POSITIVE.
SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF, WE, WE MAKE IT A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SO I'M, I MEAN THAT MAKE IT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UM, SMART SITE SIGHTING WITH THE, UM, LISTED CONDITIONS IF CONDITIONS WILL COME LATER.
SO WE'RE GONNA DISAPPROVE THIS AND THEN WE'LL APPROVE IT WITH THE OTHER CONDITIONS.
RIGHT? SO I THINK THIS, THERE'S NO, THIS ONE WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE MOVE TO APPROVE.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE THEN, THEN WE, WE'LL PUT CONDIT CONDITIONS IN LATER MOVE SMART SOCIETY AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ALL VOTE IN THE NEGATIVE PROCEDURALLY, I THINK YOU'RE MAKING AN ERROR.
WHERE THEY HAD ASKED FOR A WAIVER ON THE SMART SIDING AND WE EITHER APPROVE THAT WAIVER OR WE DISAPPROVE IT.
IN THIS CASE WE WOULD BE DISAPPROVING THE WAIVER REQUEST FOR SMART SIDING.
HOWEVER, WHEN WE GO TO APPROVE THE MPR WITH CONDITIONS, THAT'S WHEN THE CONDITION ALLOWING IN THE THIRD INSTANCE THE USE OF THE SMART SIDE SIGHTING.
SO FROM A LEGAL TECHNICAL PER PERSPECTIVE, MM-HMM
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT HERE.
WHAT WE DO NOW IS WE HAVE TO REJECT THEIR OUTRIGHT REQUEST TO USE SMART SIDING.
THAT'S WHY IT SAYS DIS DISAPPROVAL OF SMART SIDING.
SO WHAT, HOW WOULD YOU STATE THE MOTION? WOULD YOU STATE THE MOTION TO DIS A MOTION THE SMART SIDING MOTION APPROVE SMART SIDE SITING RIGHT OR RIGHT OR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SMART SIDING AND THEN WE WOULD ALL VOTE IN THE NEGATIVE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO I JUST MADE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE SMART SIDE SIGHTING.
NO, TOLD WE HAVE SOMEBODY TO SECOND IT.
ANOTHER WAY TO HAVE HANDLED IT WAS TO HAVE THEM JUST RE WITHDRAW THE REQUEST, BUT OKAY.
I WILL NOW MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SMART SIDE SITING WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
NO, NO, THAT ONE'S JUST THE TRUTH.
NOW WE'RE MOVING TO APPROVE THE SMART SIDE.
NOW WE'LL COME TO THE LAST ONE HERE.
I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE NPR WITH THE CONDITIONS AS LISTED, INCLUDING THE CONDITION REGARDING THE USE OF THE ORIGINAL SIGHTING, IF, UH, FEASIBLE AND IF NOT A REPLICA DROP SIDING.
AND IF NOT, THEN WITH STAFF APPROVAL AND CONCURRENCE THE SMART SIDE SIDING WITH THE FOUR INCH REVEAL.
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YES.DID WE CAPTURE BOTH OF THOSE? I BELIEVE WHAT I MOVED, I SAID WITH THE CONDITIONS AND THEN SAID INCLUDING, SO I BELIEVE THEY WERE BOTH INCLUDED.
YEP, I BET YOU INCLUDED THEM BOTH.
THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE THANK YOU.
THE, I THINK THAT FINAL CHANGES ARE GREAT.
THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN I THOUGHT.
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THE LAST, UH, CASE SARAH, SORRY.DISCUSSION ON THE CEMETERY STONE WALL.
I WAS, UH, SO NOW I HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE CEMETERY THING.
PEOPLE ARE JUST DYING TO GET IN.
I HAVE THE DUBLIN CEMETERY STONE WALL
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOUR MIC IS, I DON'T THINK YOUR MIC'S ON.
THIS IS THE DUBLIN CEMETERY STONE WALL RENOVATION.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE IMAGES ON THE LEFT, THE EXISTING WALL CONDITIONS, THE WALL IS FAILING IN A LOT OF AREAS.
UM, AND WE ARE SIMPLY PROPOSING TO REBUILD IT IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT IT EXISTS TODAY.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE UPPER RIGHT IS THREE SECTIONS OF WALL.
THEY'RE ROUGHLY 200 LINEAR FEET A PIECE AND AN IMAGE ON THE LOWER RIGHT IS KIND OF THE, THE WALL THAT YOU SEE AROUND TOWN.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT AS YOU WALK INTO THE BUILDING HERE THIS EVENING.
AND I'VE INCLUDED A COUPLE DETAILS OF HOW THE WALL WILL BE CONSTRUCTED USING MORE MODERN CONSTRUCTION TECHNOLOGY THAN PROBABLY THE PREVIOUS WALL WAS BUILT ON.
AND THAT IS A FROST DEPTH, THREE FOOT BELOW GRADE CAST IN PLACE CONCRETE FOOTING WITH STEEL REINFORCING REBAR.
AND THEN THE WALL WILL BE, UM, BUILT JUST AS YOU SEE AROUND TOWN WITH A DOUBLE STONE ON EACH SIDE.
MORTARED EACH COURSE WITH THE BOOKEND CAP AND YOU, THE, THE MORTAR WILL BE RAKED BACK SO YOU WON'T SEE ANY OF THE MORTAR UNLESS YOU'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE WALL.
AND THEN THE TOP WITH A BOOKEND CAP, THE MORTAR WILL BE GRADED AWAY.
SO TO WICK WATER AND, AND FREEZING RAIN AWAY FROM THE WALL TO PREVENT FAILURE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT? WE DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHEN IT'LL GO OUT FOR PUBLIC BID, PROBABLY IN, IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO.
ALL I CAN SAY, SINCE I'M GONNA BE BURIED THERE, I'M SO GLAD THAT WE'RE DOING THIS
BUT I MEAN I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT, THAT LOOKS NICE,
CAN ANYBODY ELSE SAY THAT? CAN I ADD MY NAME TO YOUR PLOT?
I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN AND I THINK PRESERVATION OF THE CEMETERY AND ITS ACCOUTREMENTS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
THEY DID CONSULT THE DOUBLE HISTORICAL SOCIETY TOO, SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE DEFINITELY KNEW THAT ADDITIONAL REINFORCEMENT IN THE BOTTOM JUST BECAUSE OF TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT'S JUST VIBRATING THE ROAD.
SO WE'RE TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO, AND JUST NEXT STEPS FOR US, IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL COME BACK THROUGH NORMAL PROCESS.
I THINK AS WE TALKED IT NEED A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW POTENTIALLY, OR IT'LL COME BACK IN SOME FORM OR, OR WILL THIS SIT WITH THE CITY AND WE WON'T AT THIS POINT IT IS CONSIDERED MAINTENANCE.
AND UNDER OUR CURRENT CODE, THE REVIEW OF STONE WALLS AND MAINTENANCE THEREOF DOES NOT REQUIRE TO COME BACK.
NOW THAT IS A CHANGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THE CODE RIGHT.
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HAVE IN PLACE.BUT, UM, I'M SURE THAT THIS WILL BE DONE BEFORE THAT CODE UPDATE HAPPENS.
WELL, I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL AGREE IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
SO HOWEVER WE CAN HELP, UH, WE'LL BE HERE TO DO THAT.
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ANY COMMUNICATIONS? YES.UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE CODE AND THE GUIDELINES THAT PHASE TWO UPDATE READY FOR YOU TONIGHT IN PRINTED FORM.
WE HAD SOME LIGHT LATE BREAKING CHANGES TO STREAMLINE AND SIMPLIFY THE VARIANCE APPROACH THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.
WE WEREN'T SATISFIED WITH HOW IT WAS COMING TOGETHER, SO WE CONSULTED WITH THE LAW OFFICE.
MET LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND I HAVE FORWARDED THE NEW AND IMPROVED APPROACH, WHICH AGAIN IS MUCH SIMPLIFIED, UM, TO OUR CONSULTANTS TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES FOR YOU.
AND THE HOPE IS THAT WE WILL HAVE THOSE BACK IN OUR HANDS FRIDAY AND BE ABLE TO SEND THEM OUT VIA MAIL TO YOU.
SO YOU WILL STILL HAVE A FULL MONTH TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM AND GET US ANY COMMENTS BACK.
WE CAN MAKE CHANGES AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'RE STILL ON TRACK IN AUGUST TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
SO THAT NEXT, ONCE WE REVIEW THAT COMMENTS, WHATEVER, THEN WE COULD RECOMMEND WITH THE COMMENTS IN THERE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES.
AND IF WE HAVE COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS, SHOULD WE BE FUNNELING THEM TO EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD AND TO YOU SO THAT YOU COULD LOOK THROUGH THEM BEFORE THAT NIGHT OR? OH YES.
WE WILL INCLUDE A LITTLE COVER LETTER FOR YOU SAYING WHEN WE WOULD LIKE THOSE COMMENTS BACK AND WE WILL SHARE THOSE OUT WITH EVERYBODY.
AND THEN YOU WILL GET A REVISED, UM, SET IN YOUR PACKETS FOR NEXT MONTH.
ANY CHANCE WE CAN GET THEM ELECTRONICALLY IN A PDF? DOES IT HAVE TO BE ON JUST THE PAPER? I, WE CAN DO THAT TOO.
I PREFER IT THAT WAY 'CAUSE I'D RATHER OKAY.
SOME OF US OVER HERE PREFER TO YEAH, WE'RE THE O OVER HERE'S, THAT'S WHY.
WE, I WOULD UH, BE GLAD TO PICK IT UP THOUGH, SARAH.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THE POSTAGE TO MAIL IT.
I DON'T MIND COMING TO PICK IT UP.
SO LIKE ANYTIME NEXT MONDAY AND AFTER MM-HMM.
I DON'T THINK, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY HERE? COMMUNICATIONS? NO.
OTHER THAN GETTING MY NAME PLATE ON ONE OF THEM.
SO THINK, UH, MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I GOT A, I GOT A FUNNY STORY ABOUT THAT.