* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN [CALL TO ORDER] PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. YOU CAN JOIN THE, THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES THIS TIME. THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU, MS. I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR ROLL CALL. MR. ALEXANDER. HERE. MR. GARVIN. HERE. MR. OCK. HERE. MS. HARDER? HERE. AND MR. DESLER? MR. WE ARE ABSENT. OH, I DIDN'T CALL YOU . MISSED CALL HERE. THANK YOU, MS. BEAL. [ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES] UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD. SO MOVED. THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER. DO I HAVE SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU, MS. BEAL. MR. CHINNOCK? YES. MS. CALL? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. CARVIN? YES. MS. HARDER? YES. THANK YOU, MS. BEE. OKAY. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN PLANNING A PROPERTY AND REZONING ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION. IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION. IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED. AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER FOR THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL FIRST PRESENT THEIR CASE, FOLLOWED BY STAFF ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION. THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND OF STAFF, FOLLOWED BY A PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS ALL HAPPENS PRIOR TO THE COMMISSION DELIBERATING ON THE CASE. ANYONE WISHING TO, UH, MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD. UNDER THAT AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE LIGHT ON THE MICROPHONE, THE GREEN LIGHT HERE IS ON. AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. WE REQUEST THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. AT THIS TIME, ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION MUST BE SWORN IN. SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. [Consent Agenda] THERE'S ONE CASE ELIGIBLE TONIGHT FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. THIS IS CASE 24 DASH 0 87, NEURO TRANSITIONAL AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. DOES ANYONE FROM THE COMMISSION WISH TO HAVE THIS PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE CONDITION RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. SO MOVED. THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. MR. ALEXANDER. MS. BEAL. MR. GARVIN? YES. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MS. CALL? YES. MR. CHINOOK? YES. MS. HARDER? YES. THANK YOU, MS. BEAL, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE FOR NEURO TRANSITIONAL, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU WERE COMING FORWARD THIS EVENING. WE HOPE THAT YOU APPRECIATE THAT THE TIME SAVINGS THIS EVENING. UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE REACH OUT TO STAFF. THEY CAN GET MESSAGES TO US. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING A GOOD PARTNER TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN. [Case #24-086CP] ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT CASE THIS EVENING, WE HAVE CASE 24 DASH 86 CP FOR MONTEREY DRIVE. THIS IS A CONCEPT, UH, CONCEPT PLAN FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 19,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE. 53 ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THE NEARLY SEVEN ACRE SITE IS ZONE B-S-D-H-T-N, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED ON BOTH SIDES OF MONTEREY DRIVE, SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION WITH WEST BRIDGE STREET AT THIS TIME. MR. HUNTER, WELCOME. IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU, MR. STAR. NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. WE WOULD INVITE YOU FORWARD FOR YOUR PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. RUSSELL HUNTER, 66 40 RIVERSIDE DRIVE. LOOK AT ME FOLLOWING DIRECTIONS I GOT AT THIS TIME. UM, SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. UH, A COUPLE NEW FACES, UH, RUSSELL, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN, UH, WITH CRAWFORD HOING BASICALLY SINCE WE STARTED BRIDGE PARK, SO I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW THIS BOARD VERY, VERY WELL. UM, SO DO I, DO I HAVE CONTROL OVER THE SLIDES WITH THIS GUY? ALL RIGHT, BEAUTIFUL. SO, UM, [00:05:01] HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, MONTEREY DRIVE. UM, PREVIOUSLY WE HAD BEEN IN FOR AN INFORMAL, SOME MONTHS AGO. WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS ON IT. WE WANTED TO SHARE, I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY ZIP FORWARD HERE A FEW SLIDES, UM, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT. SO, UM, MONTEREY DRIVE AND BRIDGE STREET, UM, REALLY UNIQUE SITE IN THAT IT'S SORT OF TRANSITIONAL FROM BOTH THE CORE, BUT ALSO TO THE RESIDENTS TO THE SOUTH. UM, GREAT COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR CEMETERY EXPANSION, BUT ALSO, UM, A RECOGNITION THAT WE'VE GOTTA BE RESPONSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CALL THIS HOME THAT ARE DIRECTLY SOUTH OF OUR SITE. BEAUTIFUL PARK. UM, I GO RUNNING ALL THE TIME IN THIS AREA AND, AND I, THIS IS ONE OF THE, THE WAYS THAT I GO AND I, I JUST, I REALLY DO ENJOY THIS, THE SPOT. SO FROM, UH, FROM OUR PREVIOUS INFORMAL, WE'VE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS AND I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THOSE BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO OUR ARCHITECT TO GO OVER, UM, SOME OF THE DESIGN ELEMENTS. UM, SO WE'VE STILL GOT ABOUT 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF GROUND FLOOR FRONTAGE. THAT'S ROUGHLY WHERE WE WERE AT BEFORE, UM, BEFORE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ADDITIONAL EITHER COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL ON THE UPPER FLOORS. AND WE HAVE ELIMINATED THAT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, ON THE OFFICE FRONT, I DON'T THINK IT'S A, IT, IT'S A SECRET THAT THE OFFICE MARKET ISN'T DOING VERY WELL RIGHT NOW. AND SO IT JUST, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T A VIABLE OPTION TO TRY TO CREATE ADDITIONAL OFFICE WHEN THERE IS STILL QUITE A BIT OF OFFICE THAT IS UNLEASED IN THE AREA. UM, SO WE LOOKED AT, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER OPTIONS. WHAT CONCERNED US, I THINK, AND THE REASON WHY WE DECIDED THIS IS THE BETTER SOLUTION IS BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING SOME REALLY GOOD TRACTION ON THE GROUND FLOOR. AND THE, THE USERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THOSE GROUND FLOOR SPACES, SOME OF THEM ARE PARKING INTENSIVE. AND THE LAST THING THAT WE WANT TO DO, AS IN A TRANSITIONAL SPACE, BOTH FOR THE CORE, BUT ALSO FOR OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH, IS CREATE A PARKING PROBLEM. AND SO WHAT WE DECIDED INSTEAD WAS, LET'S, LET'S JUST CREATE STORY AND A HALF ALONG BRIDGE STREET. LET'S COMPLETE THE CIRCUIT. SO COMPLETE THE, THE STREET FRONT AT THAT LOCATION, UM, AND THEN, AND THEN CONTINUE WHETHER TOWN HOMES TO THE BACK. AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE REFLECTED HERE. THIS IS THE MONTEREY DRIVE IS A, IS, UM, UPDATED TO CURRENT BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT STANDARDS. WE'VE GOT THIS NEW EAST WEST PUBLIC ROAD, WHICH CURRENTLY ISN'T REALLY GOING ANYWHERE, BUT AS A PART OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THE IDEA IS THAT THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY CONNECT UP TO CORBIN'S MILL, UH, TO THE WEST. SO IT GIVES EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO 1 61 AND MAKE A WESTBOUND TURN, WHICH IS KIND OF TAKEN YOUR LIFE IN YOUR OWN HANDS, UM, TO DO ON, ON MONTEREY DRIVE TODAY. UM, AND, AND THEN REALLY JUST KIND OF IN FILLING FROM THERE. SO MAKING SURE THAT MONTEREY IS THE PRIMARY, THAT OUR NEW ROAD IS THE SECONDARY, AND THAT THE, THE BUILDINGS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY ARE FRONTING THOSE ROADS. WE'VE GOT CEMETERY EXPANSION, WHICH WE ARE, UM, WE WILL BE HOPEFULLY ENTERING INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF DUBLIN FOR A, A PROPERTY SWAP, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE INFORMAL. THERE'S SOME PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS ALONG THE BRIDGE STREET FRONTAGE THAT, THAT, UM, THE, THE CEMETERY EXPANSION WOULD BE A ONE-TO-ONE SWAP. IT'S REQUIRED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, TO DO THAT. AND THEN CREATING, UM, SOME OPEN SPACES, A, UM, AN EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING PARK, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN, AS WELL AS TRYING TO CREATE SOME OTHER ONES THROUGHOUT, UM, THAT COULD SERVICE BOTH THE, THE, THE CONDO OWNERS, BUT ALSO COULD BE, UM, SORT OF GATEWAY EXPERIENCES AS YOU COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I, I THINK THE OTHER THING JUST TO TO POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, AS IT AS THE ROAD EXISTS TODAY, AND I THINK THAT THE NEW, THE NEW BRIDGE STREET STANDARDS, THIS WILL BE A REMARKABLE IMPROVEMENT, NOT JUST FOR THE NEIGHBORS, BUT I THINK FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL. SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. UM, WE THINK IT'S, WE THINK IT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH, UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING FOR THE AREA, AND WE'RE REALLY, WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN, IN YOUR FEEDBACK. WE'VE GOT, UM, ARCHITECTURAL ALLIANCE, WHICH IS OUR, UH, THE ARCHITECT THAT IS WORKING ON THE, UH, COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE. AND THEN, UH, ONCE WE GET THROUGH THAT, I'LL TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR, OUR THOUGHTS ON THE, THE RESIDENTIAL. SO, UH, WITH THAT, DUSTIN, GOOD EVENING. UM, I'M DUSTIN TODD WITH ARCH ALL ARCHITECTS, UH, 49 EAST THIRD AVENUE, COLUMBUS, OHIO. UH, SO I'M EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT THE RETAIL FRONTAGE. UH, YOU KNOW, WE, UM, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THE PARKING AT THE REAR AND THE MAIN ENTRANCES ON THE FRONT IS REALLY THE GOAL IS TO EXTEND THAT WALKABILITY OF HISTORIC DUBLIN, YOU KNOW, UP BRIDGE STREET TO THIS LOCATION. YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY, FROM A KIND OF A MASSING STANDPOINT, THERE'S ONE BUILDING [00:10:01] ON EACH SIDE OF MONTEREY DRIVE WITH A COVERED WALKWAY THAT HELPS TO CONNECT THE PARKING AT THE REAR AND THE MAIN ENTRANCES AT THE FRONT. UH, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING NEARLY 3000 SQUARE FEET OF EXTERIOR PATIO SPACE. UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL OF THAT IS TO EXTEND THE ENVIRONMENT THAT YOU GET FROM SOME OF THE OTHER PATIOS IN HISTORIC DUBLIN UP TO THIS AREA. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF THE CONTEXT IN HISTORIC DUBLIN WHEN CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, THE SCALE, THE MASSING AND MATERIALITY OF THESE BUILDINGS, WHILE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WANTING THEM TO BE UNIQUE, UH, TO THIS AREA. UM, WE INITIALLY STARTED BY FOCUSING ON THE TWO BUILDINGS, FLANKING MONTEREY DRIVE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THOSE TO CREATE A GATEWAY DOWN MONTEREY DRIVE, AND THEN WORKED OUT FROM THERE IN A WAY THAT FELT APPROPRIATE FROM A SCALE POINT TO THE BUILDINGS DOWN THE ROAD AND TO, YOU KNOW, HOW THESE BUILDINGS SHOULD FEEL FOR, FOR WHAT THEY ARE FOR BEING THE ONE, ONE AND A HALF STORY, UM, RETAIL BUILDINGS. UM, THE, YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE TOWARD THE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF ON SOME OF THE DETAILS THEY HAD MENTIONED AND THE INITIAL REPORT, UH, AND WORK ON REFINING A LOT OF THOSE, UM, IN THESE BUILDINGS. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THAT POINT ON, BUT I'LL, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO RUSSELL TO TALK ABOUT THE TOWN HOMES AFTER THAT. SO, TOWN HOMES, I THINK I HAD MENTIONED, UM, IN OUR, THE, AT THE INFORMAL MEETING. SO, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PRETTY GOOD, GOOD AT A LOT OF THINGS, BUT ONE THING WE'RE NOT GOOD AT IS LIKE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, BUILDING, SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCT AT CRAWFORD HO. AND SO WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO UNDERSTAND, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE, WHILE WE MIGHT NOT BE GOOD AT IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT, UH, IMPORTANT AND APPROPRIATE FOR CERTAIN SITES. AND SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR, FOR PARTNERS, SOMEBODY THAT IS QUITE FRANKLY JUST BETTER AT BUILDING, AT BUILDING THEM THAN WE ARE, AND SOMEONE THAT WOULD BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO ALLOW US TO TAKE THE BOX THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN REALLY GOOD AT AND THEN MODIFY THE EXTERIOR. AND SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT FISHER HOMES, UM, HAS THAT WE ARE, THE, THE INSIDE OF THE BOX IS A, IS A FISHER HOMES PRODUCT, BUT THEY'RE REALLY ALLOWING US TO GET, TO GET CREATIVE ON THE OUTSIDE. AND, UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT QUITE AS FAR, WE DON'T HAVE THE 3D RENDERS THAT, THAT OUR CALL DOES IN TERMS OF THE FRONTAGE, BUT WE'VE STARTED TO TAKE THAT AND, AND APPLY WHAT WE THINK IS AN APPROPRIATE VERNACULAR THAT COMBINES, UM, YOU KNOW, MASONRY FACADES WITH A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, OF, OF SIDING SOME, I, I THINK REALLY NICE PORCHES WITH STANDING SEAM, METAL ROOFS STARTING TO CREATE SOMETHING, I THINK IS A NICE TRANSITION FROM A HISTORIC CORE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE URBAN INTO THIS, INTO, INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS TO THE SOUTH OF US. SO THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE REFLECTED HERE. UM, FIRST PASS CONCEPT PLAN. I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S STILL SOME ROOM TO GO, BUT I, I THINK THAT IT IS, I THINK IT IS ABSOLUTELY REFLECTIVE OF THE, OF THE QUALITY OF MATERIAL. UM, WHEN I THINK TO SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT PULTE IS DOING, UM, DOWN JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY FROM BRIDGE PARK AVENUE, I THINK THAT IS OF, OF THE, THE STYLE, UH, OF QUALITY AND, UH, OF EXECUTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO THEM TO PARTNER WITH US IN, IN ORDER TO CREATE. AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED FOR THIS FIRST PASS FOR WHAT WE THINK IS, IS A GOOD START FOR, FOR SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE. AND THEN, AND THEN ULTIMATELY RECREATE ANOTHER AREAS AS WELL. SO, UM, WITH THAT, THAT'S REALLY, I, I ALWAYS LIKE TO JUST KIND OF GET TO THE CONVERSATION, SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME OTHER PRESENTATIONS, BLOSSOM, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL COME BACK AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO STAFF FOR OUR STAFF PRESENTATION. WE'LL HANDLE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT AT THE SAME TIME WITH THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU. UH, JUST WANTED TO FIRST START WITH WHERE WE ARE AT, WITH THE PROCESS OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, BECAUSE THE BRIDGE STREET, UH, DISTRICT DOES REQUIRE MULTI, UH, STEP PROCESS. AND AS YOU RECALL, THE, THIS CAME IN INFORMALLY BACK IN DECEMBER, AND, UM, NOW IT'S AT THE CONCEPT STAGE, WHICH IS A FORMAL FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT BECAUSE THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AS MR. HUNTER MENTIONED. THE ROLE OF THE COMMISSION TONIGHT IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION [00:15:01] TO CITY COUNCIL. UH, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REQUIRES THE, UH, APPLICATION TO GO TO THEM, AND THEY MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. AND SO ONCE THAT GOES THROUGH THAT STEP, IT COMES BACK, UH, HERE AS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEFORE THEY CAN PROCEED TO BUILDING PERMITTING. SO AT THIS TIME, THE CONSIDERATIONS IS HOW IT RELATES TO THE BRIDGE STREET, UH, DISTRICT INTENT, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN ALIGNMENT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT ALIGNMENT AND, AND SO FORTH. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT. IN TERMS OF THE SITE, UM, RIGHT NOW IT IS, UH, MOSTLY VACANT EXCEPT FOR A SHELL GAS STATION AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF MONTEREY AND BRIDGE STREET. UH, THERE ARE SOME TREE LINES, UH, BASICALLY SOUTH OF WHERE THE GAS STATION IS, AND ALONG THE WEST AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINES WITH OTHER TREE STANDS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE SITE. THE, UH, REST OF THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN DEVELOPED WITH SOME DUPLEXES THAT WERE REMOVED, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO, AND THERE ALSO USED TO BE ANOTHER GAS STATION AT THE OTHER CORNER. AND THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL IS, UH, CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE CITY OF WEST, UH, OF DUBLIN. SO THE, UH, INTENT OF THE CEMETERY EXPANSION SITE WOULD BE TO TRADE OFF THE PARCEL THAT THE CITY OWNS AND, UH, WOULD BE, UH, AVAILABLE FOR CEMETERY EXPANSION. AND THAT'S, UH, THE REASON, PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS IS GOING TO COUNCIL FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THE, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF THIS SIDE. THIS ONE IS FROM BRIDGE STREET LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS THE, UH, EXISTING GAS STATION AND MONTEREY DRIVE. AND THIS IS LOOKING NORTH ALONG MONTEREY DRIVE. AGAIN, UH, MOSTLY VACANT WITH SOME TREE STANDS. THE, UH, SITE IS ZONED, UH, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS ONE OF THE SUBDISTRICTS WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET ZONING. AND IT IS ONE THAT IS INTENDED TO ALLOW A MIX OF USES THAT WOULD PROVIDE A TRANSITION FROM THE ADJACENT HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, TO THE OTHER COMMERCIAL, UH, DISTRICTS WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET ZONING, WHICH ARE WHAT YOU SEE IN RED TO THE, TO THE WEST. THE, UH, SITE IMMEDIATELY TO THE, THE CEMETERY SITE IMMEDIATELY, IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST IS ON HISTORIC PUBLIC. AND, UH, THE SCHOOL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BRIDGE STREET HAS THE SAME ZONING AS WELL, SO KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTEXT FOR THE, UH, SITE. UM, IT IS, I MENTIONED WITHIN THE HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHICH HAS ITS OWN INTENT STATEMENT AND STANDARDS, UH, IT IS INTENDED TO ALLOW FOR A VARIETY OF BUILDING TYPES ALONG WITH, UH, UH, STREET NETWORK WITH BLOCKS AND, UH, UH, STREETS THAT REFLECT THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC CORE, BUT MAYBE AT A SCALE THAT, AGAIN, PROVIDES A TRANSITION FROM THAT CORE TO NEWER DEVELOPMENTS. UH, IT'S STILL INTENDED TO BE A WALKABLE DISTRICT AND, UM, REQUIRES CERTAIN OPEN SPACE, UM, TYPES, CERTAIN BUILDING TYPES, INCLUDING LOCATION REQUIREMENTS AND, UH, AND SPECIFIC, UH, BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS. ALSO, IT, UH, IS IMPACTED BY THE BRIDGE STREET NETWORK. SO BRIDGE STREET ITSELF, UH, THE, THE STREET NETWORK, BRIDGE STREET ITSELF IS CONSIDERED A PRINCIPAL FRONTAGE STREET, WHICH, UH, PUTS, UM, HIGH IMPORTANCE ON THAT CORRIDOR AND REQUIRES IT TO BE LINED WITH CONTINUOUS, UH, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED BLOCK FACES, UH, WITH FRONT, UH, WITH FRONT BUILDING FACADES, BASICALLY FACING THE STREET. AND IT IS INTENDED TO BE ORGANIZED IN SUCH A WAY TO MAXIMIZE PEDESTRIAN, UH, ACTIVITY AND MINIMIZE VEHICULAR CONFLICTS WITH THOSE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITIES. UH, THE MONTEREY RIGHT OF WAY IS LISTED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, SO THAT HAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT STANDARDS, BUT AGAIN, IT'S WITHIN THE FAMILY OF STREETS, WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT NETWORK. THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN THAT IMPACTS THIS PARTICULAR SITE, UH, ALSO INCLUDES THE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH, UH, HAD IDENTIFIED THIS SITE AS A, UM, MIXED USE VILLAGE CENTER AND ALSO INCLUDES SOME POTENTIAL CONNECTIVITY, UH, TO HIGHLIGHT THAT BLOCK ENVIRONMENT THAT, UH, IS REFLECTIVE OF THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT TO THE EAST. SO YOU SEE ON THIS, UM, AREA PLAN MAP, UH, FUTURE ROADWAY CONNECTION, THE EXACT LOCATION WAS NOT NECESSARILY SET IN STONE, BUT GENERALLY IT IS CONSISTENT WHERE THE CURRENT APPLICATION IS [00:20:01] REFLECTING THE EAST WEST STREET THAT IS BEING PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT. IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL CASE HISTORY, AGAIN, UH, THIS CAME BEFORE YOU, UM, BACK IN DECEMBER. AT THE TIME IT WAS, UH, UH, TWO TO THREE STORY BUILDINGS ALONG THE, UH, BRI STREET FRONTAGE, AS MR. HANEN MENTIONED, WITH THE TOWN HOMES TO THE SOUTH, GENERALLY SIMILAR LAYOUT TO WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE CURRENT APPLICATION, EXCEPT THAT SOME OF THE, UH, STREETS, INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO EAST WEST STREETS, THIS IS LIMITED TO ONE, AND THE OPEN SPACE HAS SWITCHED FROM THE EAST SIDE TO THE SOUTH SIDE FOR THE CEMETERY EXPANSION. THE, UH, WHAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS THE CITY PROPERTY. AND WHAT YOU SEE IN BLUE IS WHAT WAS PROPOSED TO BE BOTH CEMETERY EXPANSION AND, UH, UH, COUNT TOWARDS THE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. UH, AT THAT TIME, THE COMMISSION SUPPORTED THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL USE ON THE, UH, BUILDINGS ALONG THE BRIDGE STREET FRONTAGE AS A WAY TO ACTIVATE THAT STREET, AND ALSO SUPPORTED THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED UNITS IN THE BACK WITH THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT, UH, SOME OF THE MASSING AND DESIGN AND, UH, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, IMPACT ANALYSIS WOULD, UH, EVOLVE AS THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD. UM, SPEAKING OF TRAFFIC IMPACT, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE WHEN THE BRIDGE STREET, UM, COMPREHENSIVE BRIDGE STREET REZONING TOOK PLACE A FEW YEARS AGO. SO THIS APPLICATION WOULD NOT TRIGGER, TRIGGER A NEW REQUIREMENT FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT THE, UH, STREETSCAPE, THE INTERSECTION DETAILS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WOULD CONTINUE TO BE REVIEWED, UH, FOR APPROPRIATENESS BY, UH, BY THE CITY. SO TO THE CURRENT PLAN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UH, AS MR. HUNTER MENTIONED, THE, UH, BUILDINGS NOW ARE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, UH, ARE, UM, ONE AND A HALF STORY BUILDINGS, SIMILAR SQUARE FOOTAGE AT THE GROUND LEVEL AS TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED BEFORE. UH, THEY FALL UNDER THE HISTORIC MISUSE BUILDING TYPE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BUILDING TYPES THAT IS, UH, PERMITTED IN THE HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT IS IDENTIFIED IN THE BRIDGE STREET, UH, CODE. AND IT HAS VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ABOUT, UH, THE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONES, THE SIDING OF THE BUILDING, THE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, GLASS TO, TO WALL SPACE, AND ALSO THE, UH, EVEN THE PEDESTRIAN WAYS, THOSE BREEZEWAYS BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS. THERE ARE CERTAIN TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE AS PROPOSED. THE, UH, BUILDINGS GENERALLY APPEAR TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. THERE IS A LITTLE OFFSET AT THE, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY SHIFTS. SO IT PUTS THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THAT REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE. UH, BUT THE FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING IS CONSISTENT IN, IN RELATION TO THE STREET. SO STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE GENERAL, UH, LOCATION OF THE BUILDINGS. THE, UH, PARKING WOULD BE LOCATED AS PROPOSED WOULD BE LOCATED BEHIND THE BUILDINGS WITH ACCESS FROM MONTEREY. AND THEN IF WE TRANSITION TO THE TOWN HOME UNITS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE, AND, UH, AGAIN, THE CEMETERY EXPANSION AREA WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. THE, UH, STREET SCAPE STANDARDS, UH, WOULD FOLLOW THE BRIDGE STREET REQUIREMENTS. SO THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ALONG BRIDGE STREET ITSELF, WHICH IS, LET'S SAY A SIGNATURE STREET, WHICH REQUIRES, UM, BRICK PAVERS AND, UH, CERTAIN TREATMENTS. AND THEN MONTEREY DRIVE ITSELF WOULD BE ENHANCED TO INCLUDE SIMILAR TREATMENTS WITH PLANTERS, UH, BUT WOULD HAVE CONCRETE, UH, SIDEWALKS, WHICH IS, AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH THE BRIDGE STREET STANDARDS. THE EAST WEST STREET WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UH, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE SETTING. AND ALL OF THOSE WILL NEED TO BE FURTHER, UH, STUDIED AND, AND ENDORSED BY THE TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY, UH, DEPARTMENT, UH, INCLUDING WHETHER THE RIGHT OF WAY IS ADEQUATE TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THOSE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS. BUT THE GENERAL LAYOUT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT. THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UH, AS PROPOSED, THEY WOULD BE, UH, 53, UH, ATTACHED CONDO UNITS BASICALLY. AND, UM, THE OVERALL ORGANIZATION IS IN THE FORM OF BLOCKS, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY A BLOCK IS BOUNDED BY PUBLIC STREETS, UH, GIVEN THE CEMETERY ON ONE SIDE AND THE PARK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, IT DOESN'T TECHNICALLY MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. BUT THE GENERAL ORGANIZATION IS SIMILAR TO THAT OF A, OF A BLOCK REQUIREMENT. AND SO, OR A BLOCK ARRANGEMENT, THERE ARE CERTAIN [00:25:01] LIMITS TO A BLOCK LENGTH AND, AND A PERIMETER, UM, LENGTH OF THE ENTIRE BLOCK, WHICH, UH, AGAIN, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO PUBLIC STREETS, THEY TECHNICALLY DON'T MEET THOSE. UH, BUT AGAIN, THEY MEET THE INTENT IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL LAYOUT. UM, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION BECAUSE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CIRCULATION AROUND THE BUILDING, ESPECIALLY ONES THAT, UH, DO NOT HAVE DIRECT FRONTAGE ON THE STREET. AND, UH, OUR, THE, UH, STAFF'S PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS BETTER CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT USES ON THE SITE SO THAT IT IS MORE INTEGRATED. UH, I SHOULD MENTION THAT THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WOULD, UH, FALL UNDER THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED BUILDING TYPE. UM, THE REQUIREMENTS CALLED FOR FRONTAGE ON PUBLIC STREETS, BUT THEY DO PROVIDE AN EXCEPTION, UM, FOR, UH, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS YOU COULD HAVE, UH, TWO OUT OF 10, BASICALLY THAT FRONT ON AN INTERNAL, UH, PRIVATE OPEN SPACE. AND SO BUILDINGS, UH, SIX AND SEVEN IN THIS CASE DO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, EVEN THOUGH THEY DO NOT FRONT ON A PUBLIC STREET BUILDING. FIVE, UH, DOES NOT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF THE DEDICATION THAT MR. HUNTER MENTIONED AS AN EXPANSION OF THE PARK. SO THEIR, UH, PROPOSAL IS TO PROVIDE THAT AS PART OF THE REQUIRED PUBLIC OPEN SPACE AND HAVE THE BUILDING FRONT EDGE, UH, ALONG RESERVE A, UM, AGAIN, GETTING A LITTLE MORE INTO THE OPEN SPACE. UM, THE TRADE FOR THE CEMETERY WOULD NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. UH, YOU CAN SEE IN THE DESCRIPTION THAT BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE NUMBER OF PROPOSED, UM, RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE AT LEAST A QUARTER OF AN ACRE OF PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE AND USABLE OPEN SPACE. SO THE, UH, UM, AS THEY OUTLINED IN THEIR APPLICATION MATERIALS, UH, ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE CEMETERY EXPANSION WOULD NOT COUNT TOWARDS THAT. AND ALSO THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE WOULD NOT COUNT. UH, WHAT WOULD COUNT IS THE, UH, SMALL POCKET PLAZAS THAT THEY ARE SHOWING, UH, NEAR THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. AND THOSE DO MEET THE DISTANCE, UH, REQUIREMENTS. THEY HAVE TO BE WITHIN 660 FEET OF BUILDING ENTRANCES, UH, BUT STEP BELIEVES THAT THEY COULD BE BETTER POSITIONED TO, UH, BE MORE USABLE. SO AGAIN, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON MAKING THAT, UH, REALLY TRULY USABLE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE. THE RESERVE A SPACE TECHNICALLY DOES NOT MEET ONE ANY OF THE, UH, OPEN SPACE TYPES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE AN EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING PARK AND, UH, FRONTAGE FOR, UH, FOR BUILDING SIX OR BUILDING FIVE, THE, UH, INTENT WITHIN THE, UH, HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THOSE OPEN SPACES TO BE INTERCONNECTED AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CONNECTIVITY TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. AND SO WE BELIEVE THERE COULD BE WAYS THAT BOTH THE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC OPEN SPACES COULD WORK TOGETHER TO PROVIDE FOR THE CONNECTIVITY. IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURE, UH, AGAIN, AS MR UH, UH, TODD MENTIONED, THE, UH, INSPIRATION IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND SOME OF THE BUILDINGS THERE, THE, UH, UH, BUILDINGS ALONG THE FRONTAGE, GIVEN THE SCALE OF BRIDGE STREET. UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, UH, THE BUILDINGS INCORPORATE TALLER ELEMENTS SO THAT THEY CAN BETTER DEFINE THAT, UH, STREET EDGE. UH, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE, UH, THINK THE ARCHITECTURE IS, UH, NICE, BUT WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON HOW THE MATERIALS ARE DISTRIBUTED SO THAT THE MASSING IMPLIES SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SIMILAR TO THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITHOUT TRYING TO PRETEND THAT IT IS HISTORIC. IT IS INTENDED TO BE A TRANSITIONAL, UM, AREA TO, UH, TO NEWER PARTS OR OF THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. A FEW OTHER IMAGES, UH, OF PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE. AND THEN SIMILARLY WITH THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, UM, BELIEVE THAT, UH, THE, UH, WORK THAT MR. HUNTER WAS REFERRING TO WAS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. UH, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF, UH, UM, SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL OF THE ELEVATIONS ON THE BUILDING THAT, UH, THIS IS JUST AS A STARTING POINT. BUT, UH, TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT AS [00:30:01] THE PROJECT MOVE MOVES FORWARD, UH, INCLUDING WAYS TO MAKE THESE UNITS FEEL MORE IN LIKE INDIVIDUAL UNITS, THAT RATHER THAN ONE LARGE CONTINUOUS OR THE APPEARANCE OF A LARGE CONTINUOUS ROOF LINE, THE, UH, PLANS AS PRESENTED, UH, MEET OR MEET WITH CONDITIONS. THE CRITERIA FOR THE, UH, CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW AND WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN WITH SEVEN CONDITIONS PERTAINING TO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDINGS, THE, UH, OPEN SPACE, UH, UM, OPPORTUNITIES, THE CIRCULATION SYSTEM AND, AND TREE PRESERVATION AND BUFFERS AND, AND SO FORTH. AND, UH, UH, CERTAIN SITE DESIGN DETAILS TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BRIDGE STREET STREETS GAVE. WITH THAT, BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. BACHAR. ALRIGHT, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. MR. ALEXANDER, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? UM, AWESOME. MAYBE YOU'RE NOT THE RIGHT PERSON TO ANSWER THIS INITIAL QUESTION, BUT THIS IS FOR ME, SINCE I'M NEW TO THIS COMMISSION. A QUESTION ABOUT PROCESS IS, IS IF WE, IF THIS PLAN MOVES FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATION FROM US, ARE THE NUMBER OF UNITS LOCKED IN? NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN THE EAST WEST CONNECTION IS GONNA OCCUR TO THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON THE, UM, UH, EXISTING, THE, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER AND IF AND WHEN THEY DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR, UH, PARCEL. SO THIS PROJECT WOULD ONLY INCLUDE THE SECTION OF THE ROAD ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. OKAY. BUT THAT IMPACTS THE VIABILITY PART OF THE PROJECT, RIGHT? UH, IT, WE BELIEVE IT WORKS. WITHOUT THAT CONNECTION, IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER IF THAT CONNECTION IS AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF THE, UH, LACK OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT MONTEREY AND BRIDGE STREET. THE, YOU HAD SAID THE STAFF THINKS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE BETTER INTEGRATED FROM A TRANSPORTATION POINT OF VIEW IF THERE WERE MORE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN US ON THOUGHTS? THE, THERE, THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, HAS ABOUT CIRCULATION WITHIN THE SITE AND BEING ABLE TO ACCESS SOME OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, MOSTLY THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THAT DON'T HAVE FRONTAGE ON A STREET. AND SO WE, WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF PROVIDING BETTER CIRCULATION. AND THE, UH, INTENT OF THE COMMENT ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL IS THAT THE, IF THIS IS A TRULY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, THAT THEY'RE A LITTLE BETTER INTEGRATED. WHETHER IN THE END THAT CONNECTION IS WHAT GETS THEM TO BE MORE INTEGRATED OR NOT. UM, IT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON. YOU MENTIONED THE HEIGHT ISSUE, AND YOU TALKED IN THE, IN THE STAFF REPORT AND IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU MENTIONED VERTICAL ACCENTS. AND I NOTICED IN THE INITIAL SUBMISSION THAT THE BOARD REVIEWED PREVIOUSLY THE BUILDINGS LOOKED MORE LIKE 20TH CENTURY COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT HAD TALL FACADES, UH, TWO STORY FACADES. IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE, THE DIRECTION YOU'RE TRYING TO, EVEN THOUGH PROGRAMMATICALLY I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SUGGEST? NOT, NOT NECESSARILY. SO I THINK, UH, THERE'S THE 1919 BUILDING, THE SCHOOL BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS, UH, AN OLDER BUILDING WITH, UH, I, I BELIEVE IT'S A THREE STORY OR, UH, BUT WITH A PARAPET. AND THE PREVIOUS BUILDINGS CANNOT REFLECTED THAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY SUGGESTING THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A BUILDING OF THAT TYPE OR A FLAT ROOF. UH, WE ARE JUST SUGGESTING THAT IT COULD PICK UP ON SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT THEY'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. BUT WHETHER IT INCORPORATES THE SECOND FLOOR OR SOME ELEMENTS THAT TRY TO ADDRESS THE SCALE OF BRETT STREET IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO LOOK, LOOK AT. WHAT'S, WHAT'S DECEPTIVE IS THE HEIGHT OF THIS, THIS BUILDING COMPARED TO WHAT'S IN THE DISTRICT THAT OSCARS IS 22 FEET, 72, NORTH HIGH IS 20 FEET, THIS IS 32 6. THE FORMER BRAZEN HEAD'S CLOSER TO 28. SO IT'S DECEPTIVE BUILDINGS ARE REALLY TALL FOR STORY AND A HALF. SO I, I JUST WANTED SOME CLARITY THERE. SO, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY FROM HISTORY PERSPECTIVE, FROM THE COMMISSION SEEING THIS PREVIOUSLY. THIS IS A TRANSITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT WE'RE TRANSITIONING FROM AND TO. SO IF WE ARE MOVING FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT IS ONE THING. [00:35:01] ONE OF THE CALLOUTS HAS BEEN, THIS IS A TRANSITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT IS TRADITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT STORY, STORY AND A HALF, MAYBE TWO STORY TO METRO CENTER, TO THE OTHER PART OF THE BSD NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD VERY WELL BE VERY, VERY TALL. SO PERSPECTIVE MATTERS ON THE, WHAT WE'RE TRANSITIONING FROM AND TO, AND TO BE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE ON ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE TRANSITION THAT HELP PERSPECTIVE WISE. IT, IT HELPS, BUT IT DOESN'T HELP WITH DEFINITION 'CAUSE THERE'S A GAS STATION ON ONE SIDE, SO YOU TRANSITION TO A GAS STATION, PLANNING AND ZONING. SO WE'RE LOOKING FUTURE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING NOW, WE'RE LOOKING FUTURE. I, I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. INITIAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER. MR. CHINOOK, I I NEED TO ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION WHAT MR. ALEXANDER BROUGHT UP, 'CAUSE I'M HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME WITH IT. THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE CONNECTION AT BRIDGE STREET AND MONTEREY DRIVE AND POTENTIALLY OF DOING SOMETHING THERE, WHETHER IT'S A SIGNAL OR SOME, I DON'T KNOW, EITHER PEDESTRIAN OR TRAFFIC MITIGATION THERE. AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS NEW ROAD CONNECTING TO CORBIN'S MILL AND THE APPLICANT SAID IT HIMSELF THAT YOU, YOU TURN ON WEST BRIDGE STREET AND YOU'RE TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR OWN HANDS. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO NEED. YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED WE DON'T NEED TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, BUT I THINK THIS IS A CASE WHERE WE NEED TO REALLY THINK LOGICALLY ABOUT IT. SO YEAH, A TRAFFIC IN IMPACT STUDY MIGHT NOT BE NECESSARY, BUT WE'VE ALL DRIVEN DOWN HERE BEFORE AND WE KNOW WHAT A PROBLEM IT IS. SO I'M, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OR UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IF WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE FUTURE CONNECTIVITY AND THE TIMING AND WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THAT WEST BRIDGE, BRIDGE STREET CONNECTION. SO IF WE CAN TALK, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WITH THAT UNKNOWN BECAUSE AS IT IS TODAY, IT'S, IT'S NO WAY, I MEAN, THIS WOULD BE INCREDIBLY IRRESPONSIBLE OF US TO LET THIS GO WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE MONTEREY CONNECTION AT WESTBRIDGE STREET IF IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, OR EVEN THE CONNECTION MR. PAT PETAR COULD, COULD YOU TALK THROUGH WHAT THE NEXT ELEMENTS WOULD BE? YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S THE APPLICATION BEFORE US THIS EVENING. HOWEVER, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY CONSIDERATION OUTSIDE OF THIS INDIVIDUAL PARCEL THAT THE CITY HAS TO LOOK AT HOLISTICALLY. IF YOU COULD TALK THROUGH WHAT THE PROGRESSION OF THIS MAY BE. YES. UH, AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE, UH, REASON WHY WE'RE SAYING A, A NEW TRAFFIC, UH, IMPACT STUDY IS NOT NEEDED IS BECAUSE THE, THE TYPE OF DENSITY AND THE TYPES OF USES WERE ALL ENVISIONED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL REZONING. SO THAT WAS ALL STUDIED AT THAT TIME. UH, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK AS WAS, UH, DISCUSSED AT THE INFORMAL MEETING AND WAS MENTIONED TONIGHT, UM, THE IMPACTS ON HOW THE INTERSECTION IS FUNCTIONING, HOW THE, POTENTIALLY THE TIMING OF THE SIGNALS ON BRIDGE SEA, ALL ALL THOSE TYPES OF DETAILS WOULD BE, UH, FURTHER STUDIED AS WE GET INTO THE MORE DETAILED, UM, APPLICATION AT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN LEVEL. SO, AND, AND AGAIN, THAT EVEN IMPACTS HOW, UH, MUCH RIGHT OF WAY IS NEEDED THERE, WHETHER TURN LANES ARE NEEDED, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE, UH, LOOKED AT AT THAT TIME. SO WE COULD PUT A CONDITION ON THIS APPROVAL THAT SAYS THAT HAS TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE PROJECT CAN MOVE FORWARD. THE, THOSE, THOSE STUDIES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE CONDITION IS NE, I MEAN, THAT IS PART OF THE, UH, TYPICAL PROCESS. SO IT, IT IS, WILL, WILL BE LOOKED AT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE'S A CONDITION. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT A CONDITION IS NEEDED. MR. BOS, CAN YOU CLARIFY ON THAT? SHOULD A CONCEPT PLAN THIS EVENING, UM, BE DECIDED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER MOVING FORWARD CITY COUNCIL MAKES THE, THE FINAL DECISION ON THE CONCEPT PLAN GIVEN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? MM-HMM. IF THERE IS A DESIRE FROM EITHER BODY COMMISSION OR COUNCIL THAT NO DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN PRIOR TO MITIGATION OF TRAFFIC, IS THAT IN THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? I, I WOULD SAY NOT, AND NOT AT THIS STAGE OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS BECAUSE TO, UH, MR. GUITAR'S POINT, IT WILL GO THROUGH ENGINEERING, IT WILL GO THROUGH PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW AS WELL, AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW. SO IF THERE WERE ANY NEED FOR ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CALMING FEATURES, THOSE WOULD BE INCORPORATED ONCE THAT'S RECEIVED FURTHER ENGINEERING STAFF REVIEW. SO IF I MIGHT OFFER IN DIFFERENT WORDS AND HAVE YOU CORRECT, IT IS PART OF THE PROCESS, IT'S NOT PART OF THE CONCEPT PLAN THIS EVENING. CORRECT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. LOOKING [00:40:01] FOR OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MS. HARDER, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, I'M CATCHING ON THAT. MY QUESTION THAT'S BEEN BEEN THINKING ABOUT, UH, TODAY, UH, IS JUST THE SPEED, UH, LIKE RIGHT NOW IT'S 35 TO GO, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THERE. THIS MAY BE SOMEPLACE THAT IT TURNS OUT TO BE 25 AND YOU'RE SAYING AT THE NEXT SITUATION AND SO FORTH, WE MAY BE CONSIDERING THAT BECAUSE I WOULD SAY OUR CITIZENS HAVE BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, ON BRIDGE STREET HAVE HAD CONSIDERABLE CHANGE AND SO FORTH. AND IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT THAT PLAN IS IN, IN THAT REGARD TOO. SO ONCE AGAIN, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S ALL BUNDLED IN FOR THE NEXT CONVERSATION. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT A CHANGE IN SPEED LIMIT NECESSARILY WOULD BE BECAUSE THAT ENTAILS A, A PROCESS THAT'S ENTIRELY INDEPENDENT OF ANYTHING, EITHER THIS COMMISSION OR EVEN, UM, TO A POINT THAT CITY COUNCIL DOES BECAUSE ODOT REQUIRES CERTAIN PARAMETERS BE MET. BUT IF THERE ARE, THERE MAY BE TRAFFIC CALMING OR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS APART FROM THE SPEED LIMIT THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY AT A LATER TIME. MR. GARBIN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THIS EVENING FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY, IF YOU DON'T MIND. SO YOU'D MENTIONED THAT, UM, I NOTICED ORIGINALLY, AND I WASN'T PART OF THE THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME, BUT I NOTICED THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR SECOND STORY RESIDENTIAL. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S MAYBE NOT COMMERCIAL DEMAND TO MAKE SECOND STORY COMMERCIAL VIABLE. UM, DID I MISS SOMETHING OR DID SOMETHING ELSE GET YOU AWAY FROM THE IDEA OF SECOND STORY RESIDENTIAL LONG BRIDGE STREET? YOU DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING? NO, I THINK IT REALLY ALL COMES DOWN TO PARKING STUDY, RIGHT? SO, UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE DEMAND, THE MARKET DEMAND FOR SOME OF THE GROUND FLOOR SPACES IN THOSE AREAS HAVE LED US TO BELIEVE THAT IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PUSHED TOWARDS LIKE RESTAURANT USES THAN RETAIL USES. THOSE HAVE A HIGHER DEMAND FOR, AND THIS, I MEAN, WE, WE DO OUR OWN SORT OF PARKING ANALYSIS INDEPENDENT OF WHAT THE ZONING CODE ACTUALLY SAYS, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF OUR, OUR TENANTS ARE UNHAPPY, NOBODY'S HAPPY. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WITH THOSE GROUND FLOOR RESTAURANT USES ADDING ANOTHER 20 OR 40 UNITS ON THOSE UPPER LEVELS, IT, WHAT IT WOULD'VE REQUIRED WAS ANOTHER BAY OF PARKING IN ORDER FOR ALL OF OUR NEEDS TO BE MET, WHICH WOULD'VE MEANT WE WOULD'VE GONE FROM TWO BAYS TO THREE BAYS OR 180 FEET OF ASPHALT, WHICH JUST DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THE RIGHT SOLUTION. AND SO WHAT WE DID INSTEAD WAS TO KEEP IT TO THOSE TWO BAYS OF PARKING. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE WERE 40 TOWN HOMES BEFORE THERE WERE 53. NOW WE WANT TO BE IN THAT RANGE WITH IT, PLUS OR MINUS, UM, IN ORDER FOR THE ECONOMICS TO WORK. BUT WE FELT LIKE IT WAS A GOOD BALANCE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? SO THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR ALE, AND AGAIN, SORRY, RUSS, BACK, BACK TO THE TRANSITION QUESTIONS. MM-HMM, . SO THE IDEA, THE, THE CONCEPT THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT BEFORE US, YOU KNOW, UH, OBVIOUSLY WAS TALLER BEFORE AND IS SHORTER NOW, JUST PHYSICALLY, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OPPORTUNITIES TO KEEP THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU WANT, KEEP THE UNIT COUNT THAT YOU WANT, BUT TO GO MORE VER VERTICAL? I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES ON CORNERS. I THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO BRING THE STOREFRONT UP IN CERTAIN PLACES. I THINK WHAT MR. ALEXANDER BROUGHT UP, I MEAN THE, THE POINT WAS WELL TAKEN. THESE ARE TALLER BUILDINGS. THOSE, THESE FIRST FLOOR SPACES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER THAN MOST OF THE OTHER GROUND FLOOR RETAIL SPACES ALONG THIS CORRIDOR. UM, AND, AND YOU NOTICE WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE STREET. SO I THINK I, WE WANNA BE CAUTIOUS OF THAT. THERE'S, THERE'S, IT, IT'S SOME POINT, IT JUST KIND OF BECOMES WASTED SPACE. AND WHAT I DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE IS INSINCERE EITHER, RIGHT? SO WHERE YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT THESE TOWERS THERE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING BEHIND THEM, RIGHT? SO LIKE I, I THINK THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT I WANT TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE BUILDINGS OUT AT EASTON AND I I, WHEN I WAS 20 YEARS OLD, I WAS WORKING OUT THERE, THERE ARE BUILDINGS OUT AT EASTON THAT LOOK LIKE THERE SHOULD BE PEOPLE UP THERE WORKING AND THEY ARE COMPLETELY EMPTY. THERE'S NOTHING THERE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT SOLUTION EITHER. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM THAT I THINK WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK [00:45:01] FOR. UH, AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION. DID YOU CONSIDER AT ALL THOSE PARK PLAZAS THAT ARE INTERIOR TO THE SITE, DID YOU CONSIDER AT ALL PULLING THOSE FORWARD OUT TO BRIDGE AND MAKING THEM LIKE A POCKET PLAZA GATEWAY FEATURE TYPE ELEMENT? I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY COULD I PART OF, I THINK THE REASON WHY WE LANDED WHERE WE DID A COUPLE, ONE IS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF, UM, UH, PATIO SPACE ALONG BRIDGE STREET FOR THOSE TENANTS. THAT'S A REALLY GREAT WAY TO ACTIVATE SPACE. UM, AND SO WHAT WE'VE LEARNED THROUGH BRIDGE PARK IS THAT AS SOON AS YOU PUT THAT PERMANENT PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT OVER THOSE OPEN SPACES, THEN UNLESS YOU'VE GOT A DORA CUP, THEY CAN'T BE USED. AND SO TRYING TO MAXIMIZE HOW, HOW ACTIVE THEY LOOK, BUT ALSO AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE ACTUAL GATEWAY IS, RIGHT? AND SO, AND I COULD BE KIND OF CONVINCED IN BOTH DIRECTIONS THAT IT'S ALL THE WAY UP AT BRIDGE STREET OR MAYBE IT'S PUSHED IN A LITTLE BIT, WHICH IS WHERE WE HAVE THEM TODAY. WHERE THE DENSITY ACTUALLY CHANGES A LITTLE BIT WHERE YOU GO INTO THAT RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE GATEWAY IS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH, WHICH IS THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IT DRAWN. I THINK I COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S, THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT WHERE THEY AT IT COULD BE REALLY EFFECTIVE. I ALSO THINK THAT AS WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, EARLIER, THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, THE NODES AND CONNECTIVITY OF SOME OF THESE SPACES, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ROAD IS THERE FOR AS WELL, RIGHT? LIKE IF, IF, IF WE TAKE MONTEREY UP TO BRIDGE STREET STANDARD ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET, THERE'S A NEW SHARED USE PATH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANTLY UPGRADED STREET. THAT STREET IS GONNA BE THE THING THAT, THAT, THAT STITCHES ALL OF THIS TOGETHER. AND SO I DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF THAT EITHER. BUT THAT, THAT, THAT'S MY BEST ANSWER. . YEAH. THANK YOU MR. HUNTER. YEP. ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL TURN TIME OVER FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD. PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE MICROPHONE IS LIN GREEN AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. WE DO ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. OKAY. IT'S ON RIGHT? IT IS ON, YES. THANK YOU. UH, NICOLE SALVA, 3 3 6 PEBBLE CREEK DRIVE. UM, I'M HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR WATERFORD VILLAGE, WHICH IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTED TO THIS PROPOSAL. I WILL SAY A MAJORITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOES SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL. OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE THAT DON'T, BUT A MAJORITY DOES SUPPORT THIS. UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO LIKE ARE THE NUMBER OF UNITS. INITIALLY IT WAS A MUCH HIGHER, UM, NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND NOW WE'RE DOWN TO 53 ALSO TOO. UM, WE DID NOT WANT APARTMENTS AND THOSE ARE NOW GONE. I KNOW THERE WAS QUESTION ABOUT ON BRIDGE STREET, THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, ONE STORY, TWO STORY. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY APPRECIATES THAT. IT IS ONE STORY, YOU KNOW, IT IS ACROSS FROM OUR SCHOOLS, SO WE WANTED IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONDENSED. SO WE APPRECIATED THAT. UM, ONE, ONE AND A HALF LEVEL. UH, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE LIKED IS THE GROUPING OF THE TOWN HOMES. AS YOU GO DOWN MONTEREY, IT'S NOT ONE CONTINUOUS THREE STORY BUILDING STACKED ALL DOWN THE ROAD. SO WE DO LIKE HOW THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT POCKETS WITH STREETS SEPARATING 'EM. SO WE THOUGHT THAT VISUALLY THAT WOULD, UH, LOOK BETTER. UH, WE ALSO APPRECIATED HOW THE CEMETERY SPACE IS BACKING UP, UM, TO THE EXISTING CEMETERY SPACE. 'CAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHERE OUR FIRST RESIDENTIAL HOMES BACK UP TO. SO WE LIKED KIND OF THAT SEPARATION AS WELL. UH, LET'S SEE HERE. UM, BACK TO THE COMMERCIAL SPACE. WE ALSO DID ENJOY THE PATIO SPACE THAT THEY, UH, PUT OUT THERE. UH, ALSO TOO, UM, ULTIMATELY WE STILL HAVE CONCERNS. YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT IT, TRAFFIC. I REALLY, SINCE WE LIVE THERE, WE DEAL WITH, DEAL WITH THIS EVERY DAY. I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW THIS CAN MOVE FORWARD IF THERE IS NOT A LIGHT PLACED AT MONTEREY AND BRIDGE STREET. UM, WITH THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF CARS COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE. AGAIN, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM OUR SCHOOL. UM, SO ACCIDENTS HAPPENING THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING ALSO. AND WE TALKED, UM, WITH CRAWFORD AND HOEING ABOUT, UM, DOWN KIND OF PAST RESERVE A WHERE IT KIND OF TRANSITIONS INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOING SOME SORT OF AWKWARD LIKE ROUNDABOUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO DETER TRAFFIC FROM ACTUALLY COMING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL MAYBE SOME OF THESE CONNECTOR STREETS, UM, BECOME OPTIONS. SO I KNOW THAT'S STILL KIND OF IN THE WORKS, BUT THE [00:50:01] CONCERN IS WE JUST DON'T WANT 50 MORE CARS COMING DOWN OUR STREETS, UM, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET OUT AT BRIDGE STREET, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S STILL A MAJOR CONCERN AND KIND OF SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MAYBE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF SO FAR. UM, ALSO TOO, UM, UH, WE HAVE A WATER RUNOFF PROBLEM ON CLOVER COURT. SO I TALKED TO MATT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT CAN GET REARRANGED. SO THERE'S FLOODING WITH THE STORM RUNOFF ON CLOVER COURT, WHICH IS THE FIRST COURT, UM, OFF OF THE CEMETERY. SO HOPEFULLY THROUGH ALL OF THAT IT CAN, UM, GET ADJUSTED. UM, I KNOW I'M OVER, BUT I DO JUST WANNA SAY SOMETHING, UM, SINCE I'M THE ONLY ONE HERE TALKING . BUT, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY WE'VE MET WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IN THE PAST AND THIS EXPERIENCE WITH CRAWFORD HORNE HAS BEEN GREAT. UM, IT'S BEEN A REALLY POSITIVE EXPERIENCE. WE KNOW FIRSTHAND WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO BE FILING SOMETHING THROUGH THE, EXCUSE ME, THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING, THEY LET US KNOW. SO WE'RE NOT FINDING IT OUT IN LIKE A NEWS ARTICLE AND THEN EVERYONE FREAKS OUT AND IT CAUSES PANIC. SO THEY ALWAYS LET US KNOW. FIRST, WE LET OUR RESIDENTS KNOW. UM, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH 'EM, WE'VE DONE SURVEYS WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO KIND OF GET A GAUGE OF WHAT THEY WANT FOR THIS PROPERTY. WE PROVIDED THIS INFORMATION TO THEM AND THEY ACTUALLY REVISED THEIR PLAN SO THEY ACT, OUR VOICES WERE HEARD. SO WE FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY CARE WHAT WE THINK. SO THIS EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN GREAT. I KNOW DEVELOPMENT CAN BE REALLY NERVE WRACKING AND NEGATIVE A LOT OF THE TIMES, BUT OVERALL THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY GREAT EXPERIENCE AND HOPEFULLY MAYBE MORE DEVELOPERS CAN DO THIS IN THE FUTURE 'CAUSE OUR RESIDENTS WILL FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD. SO YEAH. THANK YOU NICOLE. SURE THING. ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? UH, JENNY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE'VE RECEIVED SOME IN ADVANCE. COULD I HAVE YOU READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD? SURE. I HAVE TWO, UM, THAT WERE SENT TO STAFF TODAY, SO I'M NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE TO YOU AHEAD OF TIME. SO THE FIRST IS FROM TONY KIRSCHNER AT 32 75 LLY MA COURT IN DUBLIN. WHILE I'M OVERALL SUPPORTIVE OF THE USES THE PROJECT PROPOSES, THERE ARE SOME NOTABLE ALTERATIONS I THINK ARE NECESSARY TO ALIGN THE PROPOSAL WITH ENVISION DUBLIN TO QUOTE, ENVISION DUBLIN. THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION UNDER ENVISION DUBLIN IS MIXED USE VILLAGE, WHICH IS INTENDED TO BE A SMALL SCALE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DISTRICT DEVELOPED WITH RESPECT TO HISTORIC BUILDING CONTEXT AND CHARACTER. MEANWHILE, THE DEVELOPMENT'S MOST PROMINENT FEATURES ARE ITS LARGE DUAL PARKING LOTS, HARDLY A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT DESPITE BEING WITHIN HALF A MILE. WALK TO THE LINK. MOST OF HISTORIC DUBLIN'S RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL CML DUBLIN, KROGER AND MORE. THERE SHOULD BE ONE, THIS SHOULD BE ONE OF THE EASIEST PLACES IN DUBLIN TO LIVE WITHOUT DRIVING EVERY DAY. BUT NOTHING ABOUT THIS DESIGN DOES ANYTHING BUT ENCOURAGE GETTING IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVING ACROSS THE STREET TO GET A CUP OF COFFEE AT FOX IN THE SNOW, WHICH WOULD BE A SHAME. THE INCREASE FROM 40 TO 53 UNITS IN THE BACK DEVELOPMENT FEELS LIKE TOO MANY, ESPECIALLY IN ATTEMPTING TO CALL RESERVE A PUBLIC OPEN SPACE AND AN EXTENSION OF MONTEREY PARK, WHICH IT REALLY SERVES AS THE SIDEWALK AND ENTRANCE TO THE HOMES OF BUILDING FIVE. I CAN'T IMAGINE PARK GOERS ALMOST EVER FEELING COMFORTABLE DOING PARK ACTIVITIES IN THE AREA SHOWN AS RESERVE A UNLESS THEY'RE ACTUAL RESIDENTS OF BUILDING FIVE. ELIMINATING BUILDING FIVE ALTOGETHER WOULD MAKE THE PUBLIC SPACE BIGGER AND BETTER AND ALLOW MORE ROOM FOR THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO SPREAD OUT AND NOT BE SO DOMINATED BY PARKING LOTS. I WOULD ALSO ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR A CODE WAIVER FOR FRONTAGE, OR EXCUSE ME, IT WOULD, THE OTHER PUBLIC OPEN SPACES APPEAR TO BE UNUSED CORNERS OF THE PARKING LOTS, WHICH ALSO SEEM LIKE A THINLY VEILED ATTEMPT TO REACH CODE REQUIREMENTS RATHER THAN ANY SORT OF VALUABLE OPEN SPACE FOR THE COMMUNITY. I GENERALLY LIKE THE DESIGN OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, TAKING ON THE CHARACTER AND ACTING AS AN EXTENSION OF HISTORIC DUBLIN'S COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, AS WELL AS AGREE WITH THE HOUSING TYPE PROPOSED FOR THE SOUTH END, BUT FEEL SOME WORK NEEDS TO BRING THIS DEVELOPMENT UP TO DUBLIN STANDARDS, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE DISTRICT IT IS LOCATED IN. I HOPE THIS DEVELOPMENT CAN MOVE FORWARD, BUT ALSO BE MADE CLEAR TO THE DEVELOPER THAT CERTAIN REFINEMENTS ARE VERY MUCH NEEDED TO IMPROVE IT BEFORE IT REACHES ITS NEXT STAGE. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS FROM KEVIN O'CONNOR AT 48 CORBIN'S MILL DRIVE, NEIGHBORS AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT INFORMATION TO YOU REGARDING MONTEREY DRIVE AT 2 0 1 AND 1 91 WESTBRIDGE STREET. MY NAME IS KEVIN O'CONNOR AND MY WIFE AND I ARE THE OWNERS AND OPERATORS OF RED ROOSTER QUILTS AT 48 CORBINS MILL DRIVE, DUBLIN, OHIO 4 3 0 1 7. WE ARE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS LONGTIME DUBLIN, [00:55:01] OHIO RESIDENTS. UNFORTUNATELY, I'M TRAVELING OUT OF STATE TODAY FOR A FUNERAL SERVICE AND CANNOT ATTEND THE MEETING IN PERSON. I'M HAPPY TO MEET AND DISCUSS MY COMMENTS WITH THE COMMISSION MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE CITY IF YOU WOULD LIKE AT A LATER DATE IF DESIRED. OUR STORE OPENED IN 2005 AND HAS THRIVED THANKS TO THE REPUTATION AND SUPPORT OF THE DUBLIN COMMUNITY DURING OUR ALMOST 20 YEARS. WE HAVE REMODELED AND EXPANDED ON TWO SEPARATE TIMES EACH TIME WE WORK WITH THE CITY WITH AN EXISTING CODE AND ZONING TO MAKE OUR BUSINESS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT CAN BE DONE IN DUBLIN. WE ALSO HAVE STRIVE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND US. WE DO THIS BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THIS IS ALSO WHAT WE BELIEVE THE PURPOSE OF THE PLANNING COM AND ZONING COMMISSION'S ROLE IS THAT TO SET THE STANDARD AND GUIDELINES THAT ALLOWS EVERYONE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. WHAT WE SEE WITH THIS PROPOSAL IS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT PRINCIPLE. PLEASE LET ME EXPLAIN FIRST, THE PROPOSAL FROM AN EAST WEST PUBLIC STREET WOULD HAVE AN IMMEDIATE AND DIRECTLY NEGATIVE IMPACT TO OUR PROPERTY. WE HAVE BEEN HERE ALMOST 20 YEARS, BUT NOW A PROPOSAL BY A NEW NEIGHBOR WILL DICTATE WHAT CAN HAPPEN ON OUR PROPERTY. THE EXTENSION OF THE ROAD THEY PROPOSE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT INCOME AT OUR EXPENSE. THIS FUTURE ROAD WOULD REQUIRE THE REMOVAL OF A LARGE PORTION OF OUR BUILDING AND DECREASE THE AVAILABLE FOOTPRINT FOR ANY FUTURE BUILDING. DUE TO THE SIZE OF OUR LOT BEING DECREASED, THIS DECREASE IN TOTAL LOT SIZE WOULD REDUCE THE BUILDING SIZE BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO THE TOTAL BUILDABLE RATIOS FOR A LOT GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA. A NEW NEIGHBOR SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REQUIRE ANOTHER PROPERTY TO GIVE SOMETHING UP IF THEIR DEVELOPMENT IS CREATING A TRAFFIC ISSUE. IT SHOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO MITIGATE THAT WITHIN THE PROPERTY THEY HAVE. AND THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S ROLE IS TO DETERMINE, I SH IT SHOULD NEVER BE ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY IF THEY CANNOT MITIGATE THE ISSUE THAT THEIR PROPOSAL DOES NOT MEET THE INTENT OF WHAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS CREATED FOR. INSTEAD OF MAKING GOOD NEIGHBORS, IT IS FACILITATING BAD NEIGHBORS. ADDITIONALLY, IF THE ROAD IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THEN BECAUSE MY PROPERTY IS NOT CHANGING, IT WILL NOT SOLVE OR FIX ANYTHING. IT IS A RED HERRING. IT IS BEING USED BY THEM TO ATTEMPT TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE MITIGATING TRAFFIC CONCERNS WITHOUT ACTUALLY MITIGATING TRAFFIC BECAUSE THE ROAD WILL NOT BE EXTENDED. WE HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 2005 AND PLAN ON CONTINUING TO BE HERE. A DEAD END ROAD TO NOWHERE DOES NOT SOLVE OR MITIGATE ANYTHING. THIS DEVELOPER NEEDS TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO SOLVE THIS, MOST LIKELY BY DECREASING THE DENSITY OF THE UNITS SO THEY DO NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE MONTEREY NEIGHBORHOOD. SECOND, THE THREE STORY SIZE OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IS OUT OF CHARACTER WITH ALL OF THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. WHILE THE MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS BEHIND KROGER SHOPPING CENTER MAY NOT LOOK OUT OF PLACE, THE THREE STORY RESIDENTIAL PROPOSED WILL BE AN EYESORE. THEY WILL BE ABOVE THE TREE LINE AND BE SEEN FROM THE EXIT RAMPS OF TWO 70 TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND MOST SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE IMMEDIATE MONTEREY NEIGHBORHOOD. THE OCCUPANCY SIZE CREATED BY THE THIRD STORY, IS ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO THE LEGITIMATE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT I HAVE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY. THIRD, IF THIS CONCEPT WAS APPROVED, I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY THE DEVELOPER THEY'LL BE PROPOSING TO ASK TO GO DIRECTLY FROM CONCEPT TO FINAL, FINAL WITH THIS PROPOSAL. I BELIEVE THAT IS RUSHED AND WILL NOT ALLOW FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY THE NEIGHBORS, TO FULLY EVALUATE THE PROPOSALS. PLEASE DO NOT LET A NEW NEIGHBOR COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A RUSH PLAN THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON EXISTING NEIGHBORS. WHILE THEIR PROPOSAL MAY BE PRETTY, IT IS NOT SOLVING ANY IMMEDIATE THREAT TO THE HAPPINESS OF DUBLIN OR THE NEIGHBORS, PLEASE REQUIRE THEM TO TAKE THE FULL AMOUNT OF TIME REQUIRED SO EVERYONE CAN PARTICIPATE AND OFFER INPUT. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS TASKED WITH MAKING DUBLIN CONTINUE TO BE THE CITY WE ALL LOVE. PLEASE CONTINUE TO HELP ALL OF US BE GOOD NEIGHBORS THAT WE WANT TO LIVE AND WORK NEXT DOOR TO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, KEVIN O'CONNOR. THANK YOU MS. RANCH. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, FOR THE UH, COMMISSION AND FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION AND STREET NETWORK PLAN, UH, HAS, CAN CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THAT HAS ON IT AND WHEN THAT WAS ADOPTED? SURE. UM, SO THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE, WHEN THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2012, INCLUDES WHICH BASSAM INCLUDED IN HIS PRESENTATION, A STREET NETWORK MAP. SO THAT LAYS OUT ALL THE EXISTING AND FUTURE STREET CONNECTIONS THAT WE'D BE DESIRED WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT. AND AS DEVELOPMENT COMES ONLINE, THAT'S INTENDED TO BE A PHASED APPROACH SO THAT EACH DEVELOPMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING THE STREETS AND THE CONNECTIONS AND THE LOTS AND BLOCK REQUIREMENTS FOR THEIR PARTICULAR PARCEL. THAT SETS UP THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD HAPPEN ON FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PARCELS, AS BASSEM SAID. SO SHOULD NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES DEVELOP, THEN THOSE CONNECTIONS COULD BE CONTINUED WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO THE CODE IS INTENDED TO BE BUILT OVER TIME AND THAT AS EACH PROPERTY COMES FORWARD, THAT DEVELOPER IS LAYING OUT THAT FRAMEWORK. THANK YOU MS. ROUSH. MM-HMM. ALL. UH, MOVING ON TO, UH, COMMISSION DELIBERATION. [01:00:01] LET'S START. MR. GARVIN, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF THIS EVENING? SURE. UM, SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF TOUCHED ON SOME OTHER ISSUES HERE. I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS TO THE MASSING AND OPEN SPACES, UM, CONNECTING STREETS. SO I GUESS THE ONE THING THAT STRUCK ME, EVEN DURING THE PROPOSAL AND THEN THE FIRST, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT THAT CAME IN, UM, KIND OF ECHOED THE IDEA, BUT I'D REALLY WANT TO SEE THAT, UH, AREA A I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED THE, UM, PARK EXTENSION, BE INTEGRATED AND NOT FEEL LIKE A, I KNOW THAT THERE'S TENNIS COURTS THERE THAT ALSO WILL BE WALLED ON ONE SIDE BY THE CHAIN LINK. UM, I THINK EFFORTS SHOULD BE MADE TO MAKE THAT FEEL MORE LIKE AN INTEGRATED PART OF THAT PARK RATHER THAN FEEL LIKE A, A FRONT YARD FOR THE, FOR THOSE BUILDINGS. UM, AND ONE THING THAT'S PROBABLY NOT RELEVANT JUST YET, UM, BUT TO KEEP IN MIND IS I'M, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE MATERIALS KIND OF INDICATED ON THE SIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS THAT, UM, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, A, A STREET FACING WITH, YOU KNOW, BRICK AND MASONRY, BUT THEN THE PARTS THAT DON'T FACE THE STREET KIND OF ARE, ARE AFTERTHOUGHTS. SO, UH, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS AT THIS STAGE. THANK YOU, MR. URBAN, MR. ALEXANDER? I'M, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PLAN. UM, I PREFER THIS OVER THE EARLIER PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED. UH, I LIKE THE WAY YOU HAVE TAKEN THE GREEN SPACE AND CREATED A BUFFER TO THE SOUTH. I THINK THAT'S MORE SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND ACTUALLY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO INTEGRATE QUITE WELL WITH THE PARK. I THINK THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE BORDER TO THE PARK THAN A ROAD. SO I, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, I ASKED THE FIRST QUESTION ABOUT THE EAST WEST CONNECTION. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT THAT, ALTHOUGH WHEN I LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF SPACES AND THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT WOULD HANDLE COMPARED TO HOW MANY THAT ARE COMING OUTTA THE BACK OF THE UNITS, THE LOAD THERE IS PROBABLY CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN WHAT'S COMING IN FROM THE BACKS. BUT, BUT AS LONG AS TRAFFIC'S GONNA RESOLVE THAT, I GUESS THAT'S AN ISSUE WE DON'T HAVE, HAVE TO ADDRESS. UM, I'M GONNA COMMENT. YEAH, I KNOW THIS IS PREMATURE, A LITTLE BIT ON THE ARCHITECTURE BECAUSE, UM, I THINK THE UNITS NEED TO CHANGE DRAMATICALLY WHEN THEY DON'T FACE THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONDITIONS. WHEN YOU FACE A ROAD, THE UNITS YOU HAVE ARE ALMOST LIKE WALK-UPS. I MEAN IT WITH, WITH THE EXCEPTION THERE AT GRADE. UH, BUT THERE'S, YOU HAVE TO BE SO CAREFUL ABOUT PRIVACY OF THE UNIT RELATIVE TO ALL THE UNKNOWNS THAT GO UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD. IT'S A VERY CONDITION, VERY DIFFERENT CONDITION THAN WHEN YOU HAVE UNITS THAT ARE FACING A COURTYARD BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE COME GONNA COME INTO THAT COURTYARD ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY A PART OF THAT. AND SO IT'S MUCH MORE PRIVATE. THE UNITS HAVE THE POTENTIAL THEN TO OPEN UP MORE INTO THAT GREEN SPACE THAN THEY WOULD IF THEY'RE ON A STREET BECAUSE YOU WANT MORE PRIVACY THERE. SO IT'S KIND OF A COMMON, I MEAN, WE TELL, AND I'M GONNA, I KNOW THE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS IN THE ROOM KNOW THIS, BUT IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE TEACH ARCHITECTURE STUDENTS IS YOU, YOU, YOU MODIFY ARCHITECTURE BASED ON THE VERY SPECIFICS OF THE CONTEXT. AND I THINK USING ONE UNIT TYPE FOR, FOR THESE TWO VERY DIFFERENT CONDITIONS IS NOT APPROPRIATE. UM, I ALSO, THOSE ELEVATIONS, ONE OF THE NICE THINGS THE PULTE DEVELOPMENT DOES, IF YOU NOTICE THE SIDE ELEVATIONS THAT FACE STREETS ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE SIDE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE INTERNAL. SO THEY'VE MODIFIED, SO THEY'VE COME UP WITH DIFFERENT PLANS BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE UNIT THERE. AND THE, AND THE TALLER FLATS DO A NICE JOB OF HAVING DIFFERENCES IN THE SAME BUILDING. SO I JUST HOPE THIS DOESN'T COME BACK. AND, AND STAFF HAS COMMENTED A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. THIS DOESN'T COME BACK. WE'RE, WE'RE DOING 50 SOME UNITS AND THEY ALL ALL LOOK THE SAME. SO, BUT, BUT GENERALLY I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE WITH THE STAFF AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF CONDITIONS AND SO I, I'M SUPPORTIVE. THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER. MR. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR COMING BEFORE US, UH, THIS EVENING. AND I WANNA REALLY THANK YOU FOR REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS. I THINK YOU'VE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME WITH THAT, AND THAT HELPS US PROCESS ALONG THAT THEY'RE NOT HEARING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, ON THE INTERNET AND SO FORTH, AND THEY'RE JUST A PART OF THE PROCESS. AND I, I THINK THAT IS, IS GREAT. UM, I AM GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPT OF IT TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEM TO LOOK AT IT, THINKING THAT YOU'RE COMING BACK HERE FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE ON MY MIND THAT MADE ME THINK ABOUT TODAY ABOUT WHERE THIS PROJECT IS GOING. UM, AND, BUT FOR CITY COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE. AND I THINK IT DEFINITELY, UH, THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE WITH IT, UH, RELY ON THAT AND TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT LIKE, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU'RE, YOU'RE RUNNING IN THE AREA AND YOU'RE [01:05:01] CON, YOU KNOW, CONNECTED WITH THAT. UM, BUT ALSO THERE'S SO MANY THINGS TO SEE IN THAT AREA. YOU KNOW, THE PILLARS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE CEMETERY ARE BEAUTIFUL. UH, YOU KNOW, THE STONE WALLS, THE DIFFERENT LANDSCAPING THAT'S AROUND THERE, THAT ALL CAN KIND OF BE PULLED TOGETHER, I THINK HAS A GREAT, UM, OPPORTUNITY. CONNECTING, YOU KNOW, THE PICTURES I SEE ON ONE END OF, OF WHAT YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT, UM, FORWARD, WHAT THIS LOOKS AT JUST DOESN'T, DOESN'T QUITE FIT YET. UM, BECAUSE EACH ONE HAS DIFFERENT DOORS, DIFFERENT WINDOWS, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT ROOFS. UM, AND IF, IF YOU'RE GOING WITH ONE TYPE, YOU MAY WANNA LOOK AT DIFFERENT AWNINGS OR TRESTLES OR DIFFERENT ROD IRON AND SO FORTH. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, UM, THE PAINT COLOR AND CHOICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I KNOW WE'LL GET TO THAT. UM, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE CITY ABOUT BRINGING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE HISTORICAL AREA FORWARD, AND THAT MAY BE THE STREET LAMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND REALLY THINKING ABOUT WHAT KIND OF FLOWER BOXES AND HOW PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE WALKING THAT DIRECTION AND SO FORTH. BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WALKABLE AREA AND YOU ALSO MAY HAVE TOURISM. 'CAUSE AROUND THE CORNER FROM THERE IS A, IS, UH, HOTELS THAT WILL BE COMING IN TOO. SO WE WANT PEOPLE TO KEEP, UH, WALKING IN. I'M NOT SURE IF WE NEED AS MUCH, UM, UH, PARKING IN THE BACK AS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE PARTICULAR NOTICE ABOUT THE SAFETY AND WHERE THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT IS, UH, THINKING ABOUT THAT AS WELL TOO IS VERY IMPORTANT. SO, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. THE THE LAND IS, IS GREAT. I, I LOVE SEEING ALL THE DIFFERENT MOUNTINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AND, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. CHINOOK. UM, I, I, I THINK I'LL ECHO THE SENTIMENT OF THE, THE COMMISSION. I, I, I GENERALLY AM SUPPORTIVE OF IT. I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT WE STILL NEED TO WORK THROUGH. SO I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GIVEN ME A LITTLE BIT OF PAUSE IN THIS IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA BRING IT UP AGAIN, BUT THE, THE, THE CONNECTIVITY WITH THE, THE, THE, THE STREETS AND, YOU KNOW, CIRCULATION AROUND THE SITE, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY ALONG MONTEREY DRIVE WITH THOSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THE STREET. THE STREETSCAPE, I THINK IS GREAT HOW YOU HAVE IT LAID OUT, BUT THINK ABOUT THE ARCH ARCHITECTURE AND HOW THAT WORKS WITH THAT STREET SCAPE. THE, THE SIDE ELEVATIONS OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS NEED, NEED A LOT OF HELP. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH ALL OF THAT. UM, AND THE, AND THE, AND THE GREEN SPACE PIECE, OF COURSE, UM, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IT, AND IF, IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RETHINK THE NUMBER OF UNITS, UM, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. SO I, I MEAN, AGAIN, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT, BUT I, I MEAN, HOPEFULLY WE'RE WILLING TO, TO WORK THROUGH A LOT OF THIS BECAUSE TO ME THERE'S STILL A HECK OF A LOT TO DO, UM, TO MAKE, TO GET THIS WHERE WE, WHERE WE, UH, WOULD ALL FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT IT. AND I DO WANNA ADD TO, I THINK NICOLE, I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TESTAMENT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT CRAWFORD HO'S PUT INTO WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WE GET THAT A LOT, LIKE MAKING SURE THAT THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S VOICES ARE HEARD, AND YOU GUYS ARE CLEARLY LISTENING TO NOT ONLY US, BUT ALSO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UM, I MEAN, KUDOS TO YOU AND, AND NICOLE, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS INCREDIBLY HELPFUL AND NICE TO HEAR. THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK CONCEPT PLAN, RIGHT? THIS IS CRAYONS ON PAPER. WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT COULD THIS BE? UH, FOR ME, UH, I, I ECHO THE TALLER ELEMENTS THAT THE MASSING AND THE ARCHITECTURE, WHILE THESE ARE TALLER, ONE STORY BUILDINGS, ONE AND A HALF STORY BUILDINGS, WE HAVE DESIGN ELEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE SMALLER SCALE. USUALLY THEY'RE ON TWO LANE ROADS AND THEY'RE PART OF THE MIXED USE THAT INCORPORATES A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, GIVES YOU AN ICE CREAM SHOP, OR GIVES YOU, HEY, A COUPLE OF PLACES TO GO OUT AND WALK TO FROM A RESIDENTIAL AREA. WESTBRIDGE STREET IS IN A RESIDENTIAL SLEEPY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THEREFORE, THE, THE BUILDINGS ALONGSIDE, ESPECIALLY IN A TRANSITION POSITION WHERE YOU'RE MOVING FROM ONE ELEMENT WHERE NOT REALLY TRANSITIONING TO THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS TUCKED BACK AND KIND OF HIDDEN FROM THE PUBLIC REALM. FROM THE PUBLIC REALM. THE WAY THAT YOU EXPERIENCE THIS TRANSITION IS FROM A GROCERY STORE. AND THAT GROCERY STORE IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO METRO PLACE THAT HAS FIVE, SIX STORY BUILDINGS AND IS COMPLETELY BEING RE-ENVISIONED. SO I'D HATE TO MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A, A BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR THAT'S TRANSITIONING, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF HEAD DOWN THE HILL OVER THE BRIDGE INTO THE LARGER SCALE. I'D HATE TO MISS AN OPPORTUNITY AND HAVE COME 10, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, HAVE THIS VISUAL OF TALL, TALL, TALL, SHORT, TALL, TALL, TALL, A ACROSS THE FRONT OF BRIDGE STREET. AND SO WE'RE PLANNING AND ZONING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CONSTANTLY FOCUSED IN THE FUTURE [01:10:01] AND WE LIVE IN THE FUTURE. THAT GAS STATION MAY BE A HOTEL, IT MAY BE WHATEVER THE, THE FUTURE COMES. THIS PARCEL IS SETTING THE STAGE. YOU ARE KIND OF THE FIRST ELEMENT IN THIS AREA TO RE-ENVISION WHAT DUBLIN'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN 20 YEARS. I UNDERSTAND PARKING, YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS AND YOU CALLED OUT, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? OUR TENANTS AREN'T GONNA BE HAPPY WITH PARKING. WE, WE, WE GOTTA MAKE THE MATH WORK. BUT I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO TAKE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT RESTAURANT USERS, IMAGINE IF WE HAD BANQUET ROOM. IMAGINE IF WE HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME PRIVATE DINING AREAS UP TOP AND THAT CREATES A VERTICAL ELEMENT AND THAT CREATES THAT DIFFERENT LOOK. WE'RE NOT ASKING THAT WESTBRIDGE STREET BEEF, A WHOLE BUNCH OF REALLY TALL BUILDINGS GIVE US THREE STORY THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING. AND CRAWFORD HOING HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN BRIDGE STREET DOING THE ARTICULATION AND MAKING IT WORK. WE'RE ALSO NOT ASKING FOR BRIDGE STREET COPIED OVER HERE, BUT SOMETHING THAT THIS TO ME LOOKS A LITTLE SLEEPY FOR ITS POSITION. IT LOOKS LIKE IT BELONGS IN MORE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT ALONG A A FOUR LANE, YOU KNOW, WIDER ROADWAY. UM, AND THEN I POCKET PLAZAS AGAIN, WERE CRAYONS ON PAPER. IMAGINE IF YOU HAD YOUR PATIOS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A PLAZA, AND NOW IT'S THIS LANDMARK, IT'S, HEY, I'M GONNA MEET YOU AT THE FOUNTAIN BY WHATEVER RESTAURANT OR I'M GONNA MEET YOU AT. DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T HAVE ONE INTERIOR. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE ISN'T A GATEWAY INTO THAT, THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA. BUT THE VISION FOR THE OVERALL, THAT CRAYONS ON PAPER. IMAGINE WHAT WE COULD DO IF WE HAVE THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATE REALM INTEGRATED. WE HAVE THOSE RESTAURANT USERS, THOSE PATIO USERS INTEGRATED INTO SOMETHING THAT IS PUBLIC REALM. THERE'S STILL DELINEATION, THERE'S STILL A PUBLIC USE AND A PRIVATE USE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING REALLY GREAT WHEN YOU PUT 'EM TOGETHER. SO I, I ECHO THE, THE COMMENTS OF THE COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR WORKING FOR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GREAT AT THAT. WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT FROM A COMMISSION PERSPECTIVE. WE'RE NOT THE LAST VOICE ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. WE'RE NOT THE LAST VOICE ON THE, THE APPLICATION IN ITS ENTIRETY. UM, I APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER. THAT FIRST ONE IS KIND OF WHERE I'M HUNG THAT, THAT TALLER ELEMENTS, RIGHT? UH, AGAIN, WE'RE CRAYONS ON PAPER. WE'RE GONNA SEE THE TRAFFIC. WE'RE GONNA SEE, ONE OF MY FIRST QUESTIONS WAS, HEY, CAN A FIRE APPARATUS TURN AROUND IN THOSE PRIVATE DRIVES? THOSE, THOSE QUESTIONS WILL ALL BE ANSWERED. WE DON'T BUILD THINGS THAT PUT OUR RESIDENTS AT RISK WITH TRAFFIC AND PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, CRAZY RIDICULOUS INTERSECTIONS AND FIRE APPARATUS NOT BEING ABLE TO, TO SERVICE THE AREA. SO I APPRECIATE THAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN HAS PROCESSES FOR THESE THINGS. I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES WE GET A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE HEY, WE'RE APPROVING SOMETHING. DOES THAT MEAN? AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE APPLICATION. UM, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? THIS IS, THIS IS A VOTING ITEM TO SEND FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN TO BE, I THINK. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. HUNTER. ALRIGHT, SO LOOKING BACK TO THE COMMISSION, WE DO HAVE AN APPLICATION ON THE TABLE. SO I WILL, IF I CAN GET MY DOCUMENTS UP, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE COMM, WITH THE CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED BY STAFF. SECOND. OH, ADHERE OR, YES. I MOTION. MOTION. SO MOVED. SORRY. THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. SECOND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. GARVIN. MS. BEAL. MR. ALEXANDER? YES. MR. CHINOOK? YES. MS. HARDER? YES. MR. GARVIN? YES. MS. CALL? YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AS THIS CONTINUES FORWARD. AND WE TAKE THE CRAYONS, PUT THEM AWAY, AND START PULLING OUT THE DEPE LOAD BLOCKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [Development Review Process] ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE A COMMUNICATION ITEM THIS EVENING. SO MS. ROUSH, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS IS ON OUR AGENDA. UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA PUSH THAT UNTIL WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE, UM, TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, JUST 'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE HEARING FROM THE GROUP. SO WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT THAT ON THE NEXT, UM, ON AN UPCOMING AGENT. 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'LL HAVE SOME ABSENCES AT THE NEXT MEETING TOO. SO, UM, WE'LL SORT THAT OUT. SO OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS AUGUST THE EIGHTH. UM, AND I'M AWARE OF TWO, UM, TWO ABSENCES FOR THAT. AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED LAST WEEK, OUR TRAINING SESSION IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 22ND. UM, AND THERE'LL BE MORE INFORMATION FORTHCOMING ABOUT THAT. AND THEN OUR JOINT WORK SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL IS SEPTEMBER THE THIRD. SO JUST KEEPING THOSE DATES IN MIND AND YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED FOR OUR NEWER MEMBERS UPDATED APPOINTMENTS, UM, FOR YOU FOR ALL THOSE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS AND REMOVING HOPEFULLY [01:15:01] THE ONES FROM THE OTHER BOARDS YOU WERE ON. SO, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, WE DID HAVE ONE. SO MR. ALEXANDER BROUGHT UP, WE'VE SEEN GREENWAY IN A COUPLE OF APPLICATIONS RECENTLY LOOKING AT THE CITY CODE. WE DO NOT DEFINE GREENWAY. WE TALK ABOUT IT SIGNIFICANTLY, MOSTLY IN RELATION TO BRIDGE STREET INDIAN RUN THOSE PARTICULAR. BUT COULD WE DO AN, UM, JUST AN AUDIT OF DEFINITION ON GREENWAY AND SPECIFICALLY THOSE TERMS THAT MAY BE INTRODUCED WITH ENVISION DUBLIN TO ENSURE THAT THE CODE MESHES WITH ENVISION DUBLIN AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR DEFINITIONS AND ENSURE THAT THEY'RE AT THE, THE PROPER PLACE IN THE HIERARCHY. ONE THING THAT WE NOTICED WITH GREENWAY SPECIFICALLY IS GREENWAY, ITS APPLICATION IS VERY DIFFERENT IN THE COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS THAT IT APPLIES TO. SO HAVING A DEFINITION THAT APPLIES EVERYWHERE AND THEN AN APPLICATION CAN BE DIFFERENT IN EACH ONE. OKAY. YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU MS. RASH. ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS FROM EITHER STAFF OR FROM THE COMMISSION? SEEING NONE. MEETING ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.