Jun 20, 2024 Planning &amp; Zoning Commission

ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING.

MR. ALEXANDER ABSTAIN.

MR. WE? YES.

THANK YOU, MS. BEAL.

WE HAVE TWO NEW COMMISSION MEMBERS, SO WE, WE WELCOME THEM TO THE COMMISSION TODAY.

THEY ARE SITTING HERE ON MY LEFT.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN PLANNING A PROPERTY AND REZONING ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.

IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.

IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER FOR THE AGENDA THIS EVENING FOR EACH CASE, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF ANALYSIS AND A RECOMMENDATION.

THE COMMISSION WILL THEN BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND OF STAFF FOLLOW.

FOLLOWING THOSE QUESTIONS, WE WILL ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE DO ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT TO THREE MINUTES TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME AND MAKE SURE THAT EACH PERSON HAS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THESE PUBLIC CASES.

AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN CONCLUDED, THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL THE COMMISSION DELIBERATE ON EACH CASE.

ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE.

HERE.

YOU'LL BE ASKED TO PRESS THE BUTTON ENSURING THE, THE GREEN LIGHT AS YOU SEE ON MY MICROPHONE IS ON SO THAT YOU, YOUR, YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT CAN BE RECORDED INTO THE RECORD IF YOU INTEND ON ADDRESSING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

IF YOU WILL, PLEASE ALLOW ME TO SWEAR YOU IN.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU.

THERE'S ONE CASE

[Case #24-075CU]

THAT IS CASE NUMBER ONE.

CASE 24 DASH 75 ROUND TABLE AT 61 85 SHAMROCK COURT FOR A CONDITIONAL USE.

DOES ANYONE FROM THE COMMISSION WISH TO PULL THIS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU, MR. WE DO I HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND.

WILL BE, UH, TOWN AT TUTTLE CASE 24 DASH 0 55 INF.

THANK YOU, MS. BEO, ANYONE WHO IS HERE FOR ROUNDTABLE, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

WE APPRECIATE THE ADDITION OF ROUNDTABLE TO THE COMMUNITY AND SEE IT AS A GREAT ASSET MOVING FORWARD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE.

UH, OUR NEXT CASE

[Case #24-055INF]

THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK OF A DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 126 ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AND ASSOCIATED

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SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

THE 21.8 ACRE SITE IS ZONED R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN, SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST AT THE INTERSECTION OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD AND HEARTH ROAD.

AT THIS TIME, WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO OUR APPLICANT FOR A PRESENTATION.

WELCOME MR. UNDERHILL.

THANK YOU, MS. CALL AND MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION.

GOOD TO BE HERE AGAIN.

UM, AARON UNDERHILL UNDERHILL IN AH, HODGE AT 8,000 WALTON PARKWAY IN NEW ALBANY ATTORNEY FOR MI HOMES OF CENTRAL OHIO.

AND, UM, WE ARE HERE THIS EVENING FOR, UH, TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON A PROPOSAL FOR 126 ATTACHED TOWN HOME UNITS TO BE LOCATED, UH, HERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF HEARTH DRIVE AND, UH, SOUTH OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD.

UM, SURROUNDED ON AT LEAST A COUPLE OF SIDES BY CITY OF COLUMBUS PROPERTIES.

OTHERS ARE IN, UH, CITY OF DUBLIN.

UH, FOR CONTEXT TO THE NORTH, WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE A FILLING STATION, UM, TO THE EAST.

WE'VE GOT SOME APARTMENTS DOWN TO THE SOUTHEAST OF US IN THE BACK ENDS OF SOME RETAIL BUILDINGS.

UH, THIS SITE I'VE BEEN CONTACTED ABOUT OVER THE YEARS, MANY TIMES.

UM, I THINK, UM, UH, MI HOMES OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN DUBLIN.

UM, THEY'RE LOOKING TO, THEY, THEY'VE GOT A NEWER TOWN HOME PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER LOCATIONS IN CENTRAL OHIO AND WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT HERE.

UM, THE, THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU, UM, BASICALLY TAKES, UH, THE CURRENT OWNER TAKES A PORTION OF THE CURRENT OWNER'S PROPERTY TO DEVELOP IT WITH THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, YOU'LL SEE JUST TO THE, UH, NORTH OF WHAT IS THE, UH, DARK GREEN AREA SHOWING TREE PRESERVATION, UH, AND STREAM PRESERVATION ON THIS PLAN.

UH, THAT, THAT PROPERTY THAT IS ALSO TREAT IS OWNED, UM, IS UNDER COMMON OWNERSHIP WITH OUR SELLER HERE.

AND, UM, THE INTENTION THERE IS EVENTUALLY TO BRING SOME COMMERCIAL THERE ALONG THE TUTTLE ROAD FRONTAGE.

THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER APPLICATION COMPLETELY.

BUT I KNOW THERE ARE REFERENCES IN VARIOUS PLANS TO MIXED USE.

UM, AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MIXED USE COMPONENT ON THIS PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT SOMETHING MI HOMES DOES.

UM, WE FEEL LIKE, UM, BASED ON THE 2023 HOUSING STUDY THAT, UM, THAT DUBLIN DID AND, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MIX OF, UH, HOUSING UNIT TYPES THAT A TOWN HOME PRODUCT REALLY FITS WELL HERE.

UH, WE DO THINK THIS IS A BIT OF A TRANSITIONAL AREA GIVEN WHAT'S AROUND IT.

AND, UM, SOMETHING WITH A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY.

UM, WHICH IS, I I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PENDING COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREA.

WE THINK THIS FITS THAT TO A T UH, 5.8 UNITS AN ACRE.

UM, WE HAVE, UM, PRESERVED ABOUT 45, NEARING 46% OF THE SITE, UM, AS GREEN SPACE OR TREE AREAS, UH, PROTECTING THAT, UM, LITTLE STREAM THAT RUNS EAST TO WEST GENERALLY THROUGH THE SITE.

UM, WE ARE, UM, UH, PROVIDING A COMMUNITY DOG PARK.

UM, OUR INTENTION IS THAT THIS WOULD BE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC IF THEY'D LIKE TO USE IT.

UM, WE, WE THINK THERE ARE MAYBE ONE OR TWO OTHER DOG PARKS IN THE COMMUNITY TODAY.

SO WE THINK THAT'S AN AMENITY THAT'S, IT'S VERY USEFUL.

UM, WE HAVE AN ENTRY FEATURE STAYING ON THE TOPIC OF OPEN SPACE THERE AT THE FRONT.

IT'S A POND, UM, THAT WE IN INTEND TO MAKE SORT OF THE CENTERPIECE OF THE ENTRANCE OFF OF HEARTH THERE.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AT THIS STAGE THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK TO DO IN TERMS OF ENSURING CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THESE OPEN SPACES AND EVEN, UH, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY PROVIDING SOME PEDESTRIAN ACCESS INTO THE TREAT AREA THAT WE'RE PRESERVING AND WOULD ULTIMATELY, UH, I WOULD THINK BECOME PROBABLY COME UNDER THE PUB PUBLIC'S OWNERSHIP, THE CITY'S OWNERSHIP.

UM, WE ARE, UH, PROVIDING, UH, 4.3 PARKING SPOTS PER DWELLING UNIT, WHICH COMES OUT TO ABOUT 1.4 PER BEDROOM.

I'M SORRY, MR. FISHMAN'S NOT HERE TO HEAR ME SAY THAT.

'CAUSE I KNOW PARKING'S ALWAYS HIS KEY ISSUE.

UH, THAT ALSO INCLUDES, UH, ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, YOU'LL SEE A PARKING AREA THERE.

UH, AND SO WE HAVE, UM, 38 GUEST SPACES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, UH, THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT TOTAL.

UM, THE, THE UNITS THEMSELVES ARE GOING TO UTILIZE, UM, HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS COMMITMENTS TO HARDY PLANK AND STONE AND BRICK, UM, UH, GARAGES, UM, WHILE THEY'RE FORWARD FACING.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A, A PRETTY STANDARD COMPONENT OF A TOWN HOME PROJECT.

UM, WE'LL HAVE, UM, HARDWARE DETAILING AND WINDOWS IN THE DOOR AND LIGHTS ABOVE THEM.

SO WE, WE INTEND TO TRY TO DRESS THOSE UP AND NOT MAKE THEM JUST A STANDARD GARAGE DOOR.

UM, BEING THAT WE'RE IN ONE OF THE SOUTHERNMOST POINTS OF THE CITY, WE THINK THIS

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IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, PROVIDE A, A KIND OF A MISSING PRODUCT IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE ANTICIPATE THESE HOMES WILL, UH, BE IN THE 400 TO $450,000 RANGE, UH, AS, AS OUR, OUR PRICE POINT, UM, OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE LESS THAN WHAT YOU WOULD FIND AT PULTE PROJECT IN THE BRIDGE PARK AREA THAT I WAS INVOLVED IN.

UM, SO IT, IT FILLS, UH, UH, UH, ANOTHER SECTOR OF THE MARKET, UH, THAT IS MISSING HERE.

THE, THE STREETS ARE PROPOSED TO BE PRIVATE.

I KNOW THAT'S ALWAYS A BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION HERE.

UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE HAVE, UM, UH, UH, A CONDOMINIUM OR HOA SORT OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED HERE, AND THEY WOULD, IT WOULD BE FORCED AND FUNDED.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK PART OF WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO DURING THIS PROCESS IF YOU WERE TO ALLOW US TO INVESTIGATE THAT, WOULD BE TO PROVE TO YOU THAT WE CAN, THERE'LL BE ADEQUATE FUNDS TO MAINTAIN THAT IN A WAY THAT, UM, DOESN'T ULTIMATELY HAVE PEOPLE COMPLAINING TO THE CITY, WHICH I KNOW IS, UM, SORT OF THE HISTORICALLY WHAT THE, THE CONCERN WITH THAT SORT OF A SETUP HAS BEEN.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SITE IN GENERAL, UM, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, ZACH, YOU CAN BRING UP A, ONE OF THE ELEVATIONS OF THE, THE HOMES.

UM, SO THIS GIVES YOU A FLAVOR FOR, FOR THE PRODUCT TYPE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, CHANGE UP THE, THE, THE MATERIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT, UM, IN, IN, IN ORDER TO KIND OF DUBLIN EYES THEM, IF YOU WILL.

UM, BUT THIS IS AN EXISTING PRODUCT THAT'S OVER IN, UH, SORT OF, IT'S IN COLUMBUS, BUT IN JUST OUTSIDE OF THE NEW ALBANY AREA.

IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

UM, THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE DETAILING ON THE WINDOWS AND, AND THE GARAGE DOORS, ET CETERA, AND, AND SORT OF THE TYPE OF QUALITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

UM, THIS, THIS PROJECT IS SORT OF NESTLED AWAY.

UM, IT WON'T BE REALLY VISIBLE FROM, FROM OFFSITE VERY MUCH.

UM, AND, UM, I, I THINK THAT, UH, HERE AGAIN FOR ALL THE REASONS I'VE EXPLAINED, THIS IS A GREAT TRANSITIONAL USE AS WE GO WESTWARD INTO WHAT IS PROBABLY EXPECTED TO BE MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOME TYPE PROJECTS.

BUT, UH, WE ARE NEXT TO THE RETAIL AND THE, UH, THE APARTMENTS OVER ON THE EAST.

AND SO WE THINK THIS REALLY FITS WELL.

UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I KNOW THIS, THE INTENT HERE IS TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL AND, UM, WE'RE INTERESTED IN YOUR FEEDBACK.

UH, ANDY GOTMAN WITH MI IS HERE WHO MAY BE ABLE TO, UM, ANSWER PRODUCT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS IF I'M UNABLE TO DO SO.

SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MR. ANDREW HILL.

WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU, MR. HENSEL.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW.

UH, THIS IS AN OPTIONAL FIRST STEP.

I'D SAY STEP ZERO, UH, IN THE PROCESS.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS HAS COME BEFORE THE BOARD.

UM, SO THERE'S NO DETERMINATION THAT'S REQUIRED TONIGHT.

UH, AS AARON HAD STATED, UH, THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO, UH, PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE A INFORMED DECISION MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR PROJECT.

SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE GENERAL FORM OF THE SITE, UM, LOOKING AT ARCHITECTURE, HOME TYPES, WHETHER THIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ON THIS SITE AND IN THIS AREA OR NOT.

SO THE NEXT STEP AFTER THIS, SHOULD THEY CONTINUE THIS PROCESS, WOULD BE THE CONCEPT PLAN.

AND THIS WOULD BE PART OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

SO THE SITE IS 21.8 ACRES IN SIZE AND ZONED R ONE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT PORTIONS OF THIS SITE ARE SURROUNDED BY CITY OF COLUMBUS, BUT THERE ARE, UM, ALSO AREAS THAT ARE TIED TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN.

UH, THE SITE HAS ACCESS OR IS ADJACENT TO HEARTH ROAD AND TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD.

UH, HEARTH ROAD DOES DEAD END TO THE SOUTH.

AND TO THAT, UH, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS WITHIN THE CITY, UH, OLD DUBLIN WOODS.

UH, THE SITE IS GENERALLY SCREENED, UH, FROM ALL, ALL VIEWS HERE, UH, AS THERE'S EXISTING VEGETATION ON ALL SIDES.

THERE'S ALSO A STREAM THAT GOES TO THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THIS SITE.

BUT A PORTION, A GOOD PORTION OF THIS IS, UH, AGRICULTURAL LAND AS WELL.

SO, UH, CITY COUNCIL IS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE FINAL STAGES OF THEIR COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.

UM, SINCE THIS IS AN INFORMAL, WE'RE SHOWING WHAT THE, WHAT IS EXPECTED TO BE THE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE SPECIAL AREA PLANS.

UM, WE DO HAVE ONE CASE TONIGHT THAT WILL BE, IT'S BASED ON CURRENT.

UM, BUT SINCE THESE ARE JUST INFORMAL AND SHOULD THEY MOVE FORWARD AS A REZONING, THESE WOULD BE IN PLACE AT THAT TIME.

UH, SO THIS SITE IS CURRENTLY SHOWN AS A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THAT MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S TIED, UH, WITH THE PROPERTY MOVING NORTH THAT IS ALL MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO THIS IS INTENDED TO SERVE AT A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE LEVEL, THE EXISTING AND FUTURE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA.

UM, TYPICAL USES HERE ARE COMMERCIAL WITH SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY AS SUPPORTING USES.

NOW THIS IS A VERY GENERAL RECOMMENDATION AND THE SOUTHWEST AREA DOES A BETTER JOB OF KIND

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OF SHOWING AND BREAKING DOWN WHAT IS EXPECTED, UM, AT MORE OF A LOCALIZED LEVEL FOR THIS SITE.

SO THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN RECOMMENDS THAT THE EXISTING, UH, TREES AND AND VEGETATION THAT ARE ON THE SITE SHOULD BE PRESERVED ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT THE TREE STANDS SHOULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE OPEN SPACES WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT AT THIS SITE.

THAT THE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL WITH A MIX OF TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND TOWN HOMES, AND THAT THEY SHOULD BE UTILIZING THE STREAM AS A PRIMARY OPEN SPACE FEATURE.

SO JUST, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS TO KEEP IN MIND WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT DOES COME FORWARD IN AT THIS INTERSECTION OF HEARTH ROAD AND TUTTLE CROSSING.

UH, SO I WANNA DIVE TOO DEEP INTO THIS, UM, 'CAUSE WE WANT TO GET INTO THE DISCUSSION HERE, BUT, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING 126 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED UNITS.

COMES IN A DENSITY ABOUT 5.8 UNITS PER ACRE.

UH, THEY ARE PROVIDING 10 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, ABOUT EIGHT ACRES OF THOSE.

IS THAT OPEN? IS THE VEGETATION IN THE STREAM CORRIDOR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? UH, AND THEN AS STATED, THERE ARE PRIVATE STREETS WITH THIS.

SO WITHIN YOUR STAFF REPORTS, UH, WE DID PROVIDE SOME COMMENTS AS WE HAVE MET WITH THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

UH, SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE AND THE ARCHITECTURE, UM, CONSIDERING THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN AND THEN SHOWN OUR ELEVATIONS.

THESE HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED, UH, AS NOTED OUT IN NEW ALBANY, BUT SIMILAR PRODUCT TYPE WOULD BE PROPOSED HERE.

SO WITH THAT, UH, STAFF HAS PROVIDED THREE QUESTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.

THE FIRST IS WHETHER THE COMMISSION WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF A FUTURE REZONING, UH, FOR THE ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THE SECOND IS REGARDING THE PROPOSED LAYOUT OF THE SITE, AND THEN THE THIRD FOR THE ARCHITECTURE AND MASSING OF THE BUILDINGS.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, WE WILL HANDLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND APPLICANT TOGETHER THIS EVENING.

IS ANYONE FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHINON? I ALWAYS HAVE QUESTIONS.

UM, THIS MIGHT BE FOR THE APPLICANT.

I WAS CURIOUS, YOU, YOU, YOU REFERENCED THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, UM, EAST CORNER.

UM, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE OBJECT, THE FUTURE PLANS FOR THAT SPACE AND, AND, AND HOW THAT WAS CONSIDERED IN, IN THIS, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT? AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND PLEASE STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS ANDY GOTTESMAN WITH MI HOMES 4 1 3 1 WORTH AVENUE, COLUMBUS, OHIO.

SO OUR SELLER, AS AARON STATED, DOES OWN THE WHOLE THING.

AND SO AS FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CHANGES AND AS TOTAL CROSSING CONNECTS, HIS INTENTION WOULD BE TO HAVE IT BE ONE OR MULTIPLE USERS OF A COMMERCIAL TYPE THERE TO MONETIZE IT IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.

SO BEYOND THAT, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE SELLER AS TO WHO HE'S TALKED TO OR WHAT HIS NEGOTIATIONS ARE FOR, BUT THAT'S HIS INTENT.

BUT YOU, YOU GUYS AREN'T SPECIFICALLY FUTURE PLANS TO, TO PURCHASE THAT OR BE INVOLVED IN THAT DEVELOPMENT? WE ARE NOT.

SO A COUPLE THINGS WE'RE DOING ONE, UH, ZACH, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE SITE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY PROVIDED A SHARED USE PATH ALONG THE FRONTAGE LONG HEARTH ROAD TO HAVE CONNECTIVITY TO IT.

IT'S VERY FAINT THERE.

AND WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING SEWER SERVICE WITH OUR, UM, MASSIVE SEWER EXTENSION THAT WE'RE DOING TO MAKE THIS PROJECT BE ABLE TO HAPPEN.

AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MANHOLE RIGHT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE REMAINDER PROPERTY SO THAT HE'S ABLE TO HAVE A, A, A USER THAT CAN DO IT.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THE COST FOR THE SEWER WOULD NOT BE VIABLE JUST TO DO THAT NORTHEAST CORNER.

I'M HAVE YOU TWO, I GOT TWO MORE QUICK QUESTIONS.

SO THE, THE, UM, GREEN SPACE, I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T GET OUT TO THE SITE LIKE I NORMALLY DO, BUT IS THAT GREEN SPACE, LIKE HOW DENSELY, HOW DENSE IS THE VEGETATION THERE? IS THAT, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT USABLE GREEN SPACE? COULD IT BE CONSIDERED AREA THAT COULD BE LIKE IN THIS EXHIBIT THAT'S THE DARK GREEN? YES.

IT'S PRETTY THICK.

I MEAN THE, WHEN YOU GET BACK INTO IT, IT, THERE'S AREAS THAT ARE MORE SCRUB, LESS SCRUB, BUT IT'S, IT'S, OKAY.

SO IT'S SAFE TO SAY IT'S NOT USABLE GREEN SPACE? CORRECT.

IT'S SHORT OF PUTTING IN A, A PATH OR ACTIVATING IT IN OTHER CREATIVE WAYS.

AND THEN LAST QUESTION IS, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF UNITS IN THIS AND THERE'S LIMITED ACCESS.

UM, DID YOU, HOW, HOW, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE ABOUT PLANS FOR THAT? I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S HARD.

I KNOW THE SITE CONSTRAINTS ARE SUCH THAT IT'S HARD TO GET ADDITIONAL VEHICULAR ACCESS SPECIFICALLY TO THE SITE.

UM, IS THERE CONCERNS ON YOUR END ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF UNITS, THE AMOUNT OF CARS, THE AMOUNT OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THAT ARE GOING TO BE EXITING OUT UNDER HEARTH ROAD? VERY GREAT QUESTION.

SO WE, WHAT WE DID TO ALLEVIATE THAT IS DID THE BOULEVARD ENTRANCE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE THAT SINGLE POINT ACCESS THAT IF YOU REALLY, INSTEAD OF HAVING HOUSES LOADED, THAT IT RELIEVES THAT ISSUE.

SO THAT WE'VE MOVED PAST THAT, OUR INITIAL DESIGNS THAT WHEN WE MET WITH STAFF ORIGINALLY JUST HAD A REGULAR ROAD AND THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR POINTS OF FEEDBACK FOR US.

ONE, UM, MS. ROUSH, CAN YOU COVER SAFETY AND WHAT WOULD GO ON WITH ENGINEERING STUDIES SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD FOR THE GREATER PUBLIC ON THAT CONTENTION OF THE ENTRANCE EXIT? SURE.

SORRY, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

I PROMISE I'LL DONE, LET, LET'S BEFORE THAT

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UM, SO SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD, UM, TO A CONCEPT PLAN BUT ULTIMATELY TO PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN? YES, THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC STUDY, UTILITY, STORM WATER, ALL THOSE MORE DETAILED PLANS AND STUDIES THAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THAT NEXT PHASE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE CONSULTED TO MAKE SURE AFTER RATTUS TURNED AROUND, CORRECT? MM-HMM.

, YES.

AUTO TURN, THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOUR LAST ONE.

SORRY, LAST ONE.

I PROMISE I'LL BE DONE.

THE DOG PARK.

I THINK IT'S A, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE DOG PARK.

I GUESS THE CHALLENGE I HAVE WITH IT HERE IS IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S MOSTLY FOR THE RESIDENTS.

I KNOW YOU, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS KEEPING OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT IT BEING SO FAR TUCKED BACK IN HERE, I MEAN, HONESTLY, THE PUBLIC'S NOT GONNA PROBABLY FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING BACK THERE.

HAVE YOU GUYS CONSIDERED PULLING IT OUT FRONT OR MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT WE YEAH, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THE OTHER TWO DOG PARKS ARE AT GLACIER RIDGE METRO PARK AND AT DARI.

SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GO TO ONE OF THOSE TODAY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE TRAVELING SOME LEVEL OF A DISTANCE.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF DRIVING THROUGH A SUBDIVISION, BUT, UM, WE THINK THAT THAT SPACE WITH BEING ABLE TO THEN ALSO HAVE THE AMPLE PARKING IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR IT.

MR. CHINOOK.

OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. WE, I HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE ALONG THE LINES OF MR. CHINOOK.

SO COULD YOU JUST GENERALLY DESCRIBE FOR US THE, WHERE, WHAT YOU, WHAT IS LABELED AS OPEN SPACE? WHAT'S THE ROLE OF EACH ONE OF THOSE OPEN SPACES? AND YOU PROBABLY START WITH THE, THE MAIN ONE, WHICH IS THE WOODED AREA.

YOU SAID IT COULD HAVE A TRAIL, BUT IT DOESN'T, YOU DON'T SHOW ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO ARE, WHAT ARE YOUR INTENTIONS TO HOW TO ACCESS THAT WOODED AREA? THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL IN TERMS OF HOW YOU WOULD SEE THAT THAT WOULD BE BEST UTILIZED.

SO WE DON'T CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING, UH, PATH AROUND THE POND AT THE FRONT THAT HAS, UM, WE DO SOME BENCHES AND ACTIVATE THAT IN A ACTIVE WAY.

WE HAVE OUR SHARED USE PATH ALONG HEARTH ROAD THAT AGAIN, CURRENTLY WOULD GO NOWHERE, BUT IT'S JUST A GOOD PLANNING EXERCISE.

AND THEN WE HAVE SIDEWALKS ON THE INTERIOR OF THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE, UM, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS KIND OF CIRCULATE WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.

SO, SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ABOUT ACCESS TO THAT WOODED AREA, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE STAFF'S COMMENTS AS WELL.

SO, SO IF I MAY, MR. WI THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE STRUGGLE WITH A LITTLE BIT IS ON THE ONE HAND, IT, IT, THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IT TO BE PRESERVED, BUT THEN ALSO FOR IT TO BE INTEGRATED.

SO IT'S HARD SOMETIMES HARD TO DO BOTH.

SO, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW MUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO, OR, OR OPEN TO US, YOU KNOW, MODIFYING THAT AREA IS IS THE QUESTION.

SO JUST TO PIGGYBACK QUESTION, MR. UNDERHILL, MAYBE THIS IS FOR YOU.

ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THAT ENTIRE AREA BE PASSIVE OPEN SPACE? OR ARE YOU INCORPORATING OR THINKING IN YOUR VISION THAT THERE IS SOME COMPONENT OF ACTIVATION THAT YOU WOULD PROGRAM IN THAT AREA? YEAH, YEAH.

WE, WE THINK IT'S MORE PASSIVE AND WE, WE THINK ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD DO IN THERE WOULD BE MORE ALONG THE VARIETY OF A TRAIL OR, OR PATH.

THANK YOU MR. HUNTER HILL.

YOU, YOU CAN SEE FAINTLY.

SO YOU HAVE THE STREAM AND THE LIGHT BLUE GOING THROUGH THERE.

THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT IS THE 150 FOOT STREAM CORRIDOR PROTECTION ZONE ON TOP OF THAT.

SO AGAIN, AS AARON SAID, KIND OF GRAPPLING WITH BOTH OF THOSE, HOWEVER, PATHS ARE PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE SPZ.

SO COULD I TURN TO STAFF AND ASK, ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS TO HAVING ACCESS INTO THAT WOODED AREA TO HAVE A BRIDGE ACROSS THIS, THE DRAINAGE AREA? OR ARE THERE ANY, IS IT UP TO THE DEVELOPER OF HOW THEY MIGHT, UM, ACTIVATE THAT? YEAH, SO WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY WORK WITH ANY DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO GO WITHIN, I BELIEVE IT'S A STREAM PROTECTION CORRIDOR.

UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MET TO, I GUESS PROTECT THAT SPACE AS WELL, BUT ALSO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT MAKING THAT AREA WORSE BECAUSE IT IS PROTECTED.

SO I MEAN, YOU CAN'T, YOU PROBABLY COULDN'T PUT A BUILDING IN THERE, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THAT WOULD BE TIED TO OPEN SPACE THAT WITH STUDY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE CONSIDERED.

IN OTHER WORDS, MR. HANSEL ACTIVATION IS NOT PROHIBITED IN THAT AREA BY THE CITY.

CORRECT.

UM, SO YOU HAVE ANOTHER OPEN SPACE 0.9 ACRES UP FRONT.

IS THAT JUST, UH, LEFTOVER SPACE OR DO YOU HAVE ANY INTENTIONS FOR WHAT HA MIGHT HAPPEN THERE? THAT'S JUST OPEN SPACE.

THAT'LL BE MODE AND BE A NICE ENTRY FEATURE AS YOU PULL INTO THE SUBDIVISION.

AND YOU MENTIONED BENCHES AROUND THE ENTRY POND? UM, I THINK, I THINK THERE ARE SOME VERY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ABOUT ACTIVATION OF OPEN SPACES TO ACTUALLY GET CREDIT FOR THEM.

SO, AND IT'S USUALLY MORE THAN A COUPLE BENCHES.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I GUESS WE WOULD WANT

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TO CONSIDER.

AND THEN THE OPEN SPACE AROUND THE DOG PARK AGAIN, IS THAT JUST A LITTLE PATCH OF GREEN THAT IS FLEXIBLE YEAH.

TO KIDS TO THROW FOOTBALL AND DO WHATEVER ELSE THEY WANNA DO.

UM, THE, THE SPACE IN BETWEEN THE UNITS THAT RUN NORTH SOUTH, I ASSUME THOSE ARE THE FRONTS OF THOSE TOWN HOMES, IS THAT CORRECT? THE GREEN OR ARE THEY, PARDON ME? THE GREEN.

UM, BUT BETWEEN THE, ARE THEY JUST, WHAT ARE THEY FRONT YARDS OR BACKYARDS? .

THEY'RE BACKYARDS.

SO THOSE LITTLE, THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE LIGHT GRAY SQUARES, THE PATIO THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH EACH OF THE UNITS.

SO ARE THOSE LIKE FENCED PATIOS OR ARE THEY JUST, IS THAT JUST A PAD OR WE, WE DO SOME ARBOR IE.

SCREENING BETWEEN EACH OF THE UNITS.

AND THEY'RE STAGGERED IN A WAY THAT YOU HAVE SOME LEVEL OF PRIVACY TO.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S LANDSCAPE IN THERE THAT THEN STARTS TO BREAK UP THAT SPACE? CORRECT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. ALEXANDER? I HAVE ONE FOR THE, OR MAYBE MORE THAN ONE FOR THE APPLICANT.

AND THEN I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ZACH.

WHY IS THE PLAN SYMMETRICAL? I THINK THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SITE WITH THE NATURAL FEATURES THERE THAT WE ONLY HAD SO MUCH, BUT THE NATURAL FEATURES ARE SO DIFFERENT ON THE TWO SIDES.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE QUESTION I HAVE THE SYM SYMMETRY.

THE OTHER, I HAD A SIMILAR QUESTION TO MR. WAY.

YOU HAVE THOSE GREEN SPACES, BUT INSTEAD OF LINKING THEM DOWN WITH THE PRIMARY GREEN SPACE, THEY'RE KIND OF BLOCKED IN THERE.

AND, AND SO I, I ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT CONNECTING TO THE NATURAL FEATURES OF THE SITE AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

SO THAT, THAT'S, SO YOU'VE KIND OF ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHY IT'S SYMMETRICAL, BUT I REALLY WONDER, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT DISCUSS.

THE QUESTION FOR ZACH IS, UM, WHEN YOU STARTED WITH, UM, THE PLAN THAT THE, THAT MANY OF US WERE A PART OF THAT, THAT STUDY, UM, THAT THE COUNCIL'S GOING TO ADOPT, I'M ASSUMING THE PRIMARY USE FOR THE COM, THE COMMERCIAL USE IN YOUR REPORT THAT YOU REFER TO, IF WE WERE TO LAY THAT ON THIS PARCEL, IT'S ACTUALLY THE PART ON TOP CROSSING.

SO THIS IS YOU'RE INTERPRETING THE SUBORDINATE RESIDENTIAL PORTION TO OCCUR ON A PARCEL LIKE THIS.

CORRECT.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

THOSE, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER.

OTHER QUESTIONS? MS. HARTER? UM, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, IS THAT WHEN IT WOULD BE, UM, CONSIDERED IF THERE'S NEEDED FOR A LIGHT OR NOT? OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, WHEN I'M STARTING TO LOOK AT, AND I KNOW WE'RE IN THE BEGINNING BE STAGES AND SO FORTH, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT WATER FEATURES DOG PARK, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LIKE WITH AN HOA, UM, COST OF THAT.

I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH LIKE A DOG PARK WOULD RUN, JUST KEEPING MAINTENANCE.

WOULD THIS JUST BE REGULAR GRASS? UM, OR DO YOU GET INTO FINE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT FAKE GRASSES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT? FROM OUR EXPERIENCE, IT WOULD BE AN ASTROTURF THAT WOULD BE TO SURVIVE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD BE ASTROTURF.

THAT WAY IT'D BE ABLE TO SURVIVE YEAR ROUND IN THE CONDITIONS.

AND THAT WHEN IT'S WET, THE DOGS AREN'T TEARING IT UP.

AND UM, WITH 126 UNITS, THE COST WILL BE NEGLIGIBLE ON THE HOMEOWNERS.

AND IS THERE'S, JUST FOR MY INFORMATION LIKE DOG PARKS, 'CAUSE WE JUST KIND OF GETTING INTO THEM, UM, DO, DO THEY HIRE SOMEONE TO COME AND CLEAN THEM UP OR, UM, THE HOA OR IS IT JUST ON YOUR OWN COR CORRECT.

NO DIFFERENT THAN HOW WE HAVE A POOL MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

WE WOULD HAVE A COMPANY THAT WOULD OVERSEE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE CONDITIONS WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.

THANK YOU MS. HARDER OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? MR. TESLER? GOOD EVENING.

HOW YOU DOING, ZACH? REAL QUICK.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS.

UH, IS THERE, WITH THE, THE CITY'S UH, PLAN, IS THERE A RECOMMENDED DENSITY FOR THIS AREA? YEAH, SO IT IS, UM, THAT MIXED, UM, MIXED RESIDENTIAL.

SO I, THAT'S TYPICALLY, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.

IT'S TYPICALLY BETWEEN THREE AND 12, I BELIEVE.

UM, SO IT GIVES A WIDE RANGE, BUT AGAIN, 'CAUSE THE SITES ARE GONNA BE VERY DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THEIR FEATURES AND WHAT'S, UM, WHAT'S DESIRED THERE.

SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE CHARACTER.

SO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, THAT'S WHERE THOSE THINGS WOULD GET LAYERED TOGETHER.

KIND OF IN THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I WANNA BE CLEAR ON A COUPLE OF THESE ASPECTS.

SO SORRY, I'M GONNA MENTION THE DOG PARK AGAIN.

IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, YOU'RE GONNA PROPOSE A PUBLIC DOG PARK THAT'S, THIS WAS HINTED AT EARLIER,

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AND SO THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE ARE GONNA HAVE OTHER PEOPLE COME IN TO USE THE DOG PARK.

IS THAT THE EXPECTATION? YES.

BECAUSE I MEAN, WE WOULD BE FINE WITH IT BEING A PRIVATE ONE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE, YOU WOULD PREFER FOR IT TO BE OF PUBLIC USE IF, IF IT'S FINE BEING PRIVATE, WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE IT PRIVATE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THAT PROBABLY COULD WORK IF THERE WAS ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINTS.

UH, IN MY OPINION, I, I'M NOT, IF I'M BUYING A PROPERTY NEAR THE DOG PARK, I'M NOT GONNA WANT THE PUBLIC TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH MY AREA TO, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY HAVE A NO OUTLET HERE TO GET ALL THE WAY IN.

THAT'S JUST ME.

UM, ARE THE, LET ME ASK THIS.

SO SOME OF THESE SPOTS I'M LOOKING HERE, YOU HAVE THE, UM, GUEST SPOTS WHERE THERE ARE SOME ON THE PARK AREA AND THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, I GUESS UP ON THAT, UM, THAT NORTHERN TIER, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

AND THEN THERE'S A FEW MORE, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE POND AT THE FRONT.

THEY'RE KIND OF BUILT INTO THE SIDE OF THE STREET.

OH YEAH, I SEE THAT.

I, IS IT, I MEAN I'M GATHERING HERE JUST SO IF I HAVE ONE OF THE UNITS, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE IN THE SIXTIES THERE IN THE MIDDLE, UM, AND I HAVE GUESTS COME, I'M GONNA MAKE THEM PARK A FEW BLOCKS AWAY TO COME VISIT ME.

YEAH, I THINK THE SCALE PROBABLY IS, IT'S, I KNOW I GET IT.

I MEAN IT'S STILL A WALK, IT'S NOT GONNA BE RIGHT UP FRONT.

UM, THAT MAY HAVE TO BE WORKED ON IN MY OPINION.

UH, LEMME SEE.

SO THE, THIS, THIS IS GONNA BE HO A, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THE WHO'S GONNA OWN THE, UM, THOSE OPEN SPACES, IS THAT GONNA BE SOMETHING WHERE THE HOA IS GONNA HAVE A, A SHARED OWNERSHIP OF THOSE? IT'D BE PROBABLY MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE HOA WOULD MAINTAIN IT, BUT THE CITY WOULD BE THE ONES WHO WOULD BE THE ACTUAL OWNERS OF IT.

IT DEPENDS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A PRACTICE OF HOA MAINTAINS WHILE THE CITY OWNS, UH, A LOT OF THESE RESERVES AND NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT ALL OF THEM.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

SO, 'CAUSE YOU CAN, YOU CAN STRUCTURE THE DOCUMENTS WHERE THE, THE OWNERS OWN THOSE OPEN SPACES.

ISN'T THAT FAIR? ISN'T THAT CORRECT ZACH? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS.

AND AGAIN, THOSE DETAILS ARE TYPICALLY WORKED OUT.

THAT'S FINE.

AT THE NEXT STEP.

'CAUSE WELL, I GUESS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OPEN SPACES, IT COULD BE A SITUATION WHERE YOU KIND OF DEFER TO WHAT IF IT'S SOME, IF IT'S A SITUATION WHERE THE OWNERS OWN IT, THEY OWN A A 100TH OR WHATEVER IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN KIND OF DECIDE LATER ON HOW THAT'S GONNA BE HANDLED.

SO JENNY, CAN YOU COVER JUST, UH, DEVELOPMENT TEXT? SO WHAT NEXT STEPS WOULD BE, SHOULD THE INFORMAL REVIEW GO FORWARD, WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT WOULD, UM, CONTAIN SO THAT THEIR TEETH TO HOWEVER THAT LAYS OUT WHETHER THE CITY OWNS IT OR THE RESIDENT, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER.

SO WITH, UM, AGAIN, FOLLOWING THAT NEXT STEP OF A CONCEPT PLAN TO THAT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT WOULD BE CREATED, THERE WOULD BE, UM, REQUIREMENTS IN THERE ABOUT THE A NUMBER ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, WHAT THE INTENDED USES OF THAT, WHAT'S REQUIRED WITHIN THAT, AS WELL AS THE MAINTENANCE AND THE OWNERSHIP.

SO AS THE APPLICANT STATED, RIGHT, THERE'S DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES.

SOMETIMES WE OWN AND MAINTAIN.

SOMETIMES THEY, THEY MAINTAIN THE CITY OWNS IF THEY, IF THEY WANNA COUNT IT TOWARDS PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, TYPICALLY THE CITY IS THE OWNER OF THAT.

SO IT'S REALLY MORE THAN MAINTENANCE PIECE OF THAT.

BUT IT DOES GET TO, UM, I THINK THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING IS THERE'S MAINTENANCE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AT THE HOA THEN WOULD BEAR THE BURDEN OF, OF BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR.

BUT THAT WOULD BE WORKED OUT AND TALKED THROUGH WITH THE REZONING PIECE OF THIS.

AND THEN SHOULD EITHER PARTY WANT TO CHANGE THE NATURE OF THE OPEN SPACE THAT THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THAT, RIGHT? IT IS NOT A, THE OWNER JUST HAS CARTE BLANCHE AND CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THAT'S TYPICALLY PLATTED ON THE, UM, PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT WITH THAT SAME OWNERSHIP LANGUAGE THAT WOULD MATCH WHAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.

SO THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS THAT GETS ADDRESSED.

I DO HAVE ONE MORE.

UM, THAT CENTER PORTION OF THOSE UNITS THAT HAVE THE KIND OF THE SHARED, I'LL CALL IT SHARED BACKYARD, IT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS.

ARE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GONNA BE SPLIT BY OUR ES, ARE THERE GONNA BE PATIOS THAT ARE GONNA BE EXACTLY THE SAME FOR EVERY UNIT? JUST LIKE STAMP CONCRETE OR SOMETHING? OR, OR, OR IS THEIR, THEIR ABILITY TO HAVE VARIATION? SO MI WOULD BE THE ONES PUTTING IN A STANDARD 10 BY 12 PER SE PATIO.

IF A HOMEOWNER AFTER THE FACT WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND, THAT'D BE WITHIN THEIR PURVIEW.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE ARBOR PROVIDES ARE BETWEEN THE UNITS, SO NOT BEHIND THE UNITS.

MR. RAUSCH? UH, MR. HANSEL, COULD YOU GO OVER WHAT OUR PUBLIC STREET STANDARD WOULD BE FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD SUCH AS THIS? TYPICALLY THE PROFILE IS 50 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY WITH A 26 FOOT STREET.

THANK YOU MR. DELAND.

GOOD, THANKS.

OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION?

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UM, AND THEN STREET TREES OR STREET LAWN AND THEN SIDEWALKS.

UM, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR STANDARD.

UM, WE ARE UPDATING THOSE CURRENTLY, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, BUT THOSE ARE GENERALLY WHAT THOSE HAVE BEEN.

AND THEN THE SIDEWALKS WOULD BE REQUIRED ON ONE SIDE OR BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, TYPICALLY BOTH SIDES.

THANK YOU MR. ANCHO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.

AT THIS TIME WE'D LIKE TO INVITE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION TO PLEASE COME FORWARD.

THE MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

MY NAME IS ROBERT ABRUZZI.

I LIVE AT 51 97 RED OAK LANE.

BACK IN 2013, WE WORKED WITH DUBLIN ON A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR EVERYTHING NORTH OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I DON'T KNOW, ZACH, CAN YOU LOOK AT THE 2013, UH, SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN? IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY.

THESE WERE R ONE USE, MAYBE R TWO USE WITH A LOGICAL STEP DOWN FROM ONE ACRE HOMES DOWN TO HALF ACRE, AND THEN SOME CONDOS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE HOW HEARTH ROAD CONNECTED TO TUTTLE BY THE EXTENDED STAY.

THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A, UH, ROUNDABOUT TO GO IN RIGHT NOW THAT IS A TRAFFIC HAZARD.

WE HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN NOT KNOWING IF THE GUYS COMING UP BEHIND US HEADING WESTBOUND IS GONNA ARE GONNA HIT US IN THE BUTT.

SCHOOL BUSES HAVE PROBLEMS. FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS PROBLEMS. IS THAT IT? YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

YOU SEE HOW THE ROADWAY CAME OFF OF HEARTH ROAD AND WENT TO TUTTLE WITH A ROUNDABOUT AND ON THE CORNER OF HEARTH AND TUTTLE, THAT WAS GONNA BE A GREEN SPACE BECAUSE IT IS AN ENTRANCE INTO DUBLIN FROM COLUMBUS.

THERE WAS GONNA BE A LITTLE PARK.

THERE'S, UH, A PARKING LOT RIGHT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, PARK MEANDER AROUND AND ENJOY THE WOODS.

AND THEN THE CONDOS.

THERE ARE CONDOS SPREAD OUT ALL THROUGH.

NOW WE HAVE THIS MEGA DENSE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS TO FLIP RIGHT INTO THAT SPOT.

HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT? DID ANYBODY EVER LOOK AT THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN IN THE DESIGN OF THIS? THANK YOU MR. BRUCE.

IS THERE ANY, WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS AND WE WILL ENTERTAIN THEM, BUT WE'LL DO THEM AFTER ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

MY BIGGEST COMMENT IS TOO MUCH TRAFFIC GOING ON HER ROAD WITH ONE ENTRANCE.

IT'S RIDICULOUS.

AND THE DENSITY HAS INCREASED OVER ALMOST DOUBLE.

IT'S NOT THAT THAT ROAD CANNOT SUPPORT THAT MUCH TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TAKE THE CIRCLE ON HEARTH AND GO OUT TO THE WALMART.

THERE'S NO TRAFFIC LIGHT.

YOU CANNOT GO NORTH.

PEOPLE GO SOUTH TO THE ROUNDABOUT ON RIGGINS AND THEY COME BACK BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TURN LEFT.

BACK.

WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THIS, WE WERE TALKING WITH, I BELIEVE IT WAS PAUL HAMMER SCHMIDT AND THERE WAS A, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT A FUTURE TRAFFIC LIGHT FROM COLUMBUS TO BE INSTALLED THERE BEFORE MORE TRAFFIC WAS DEVELOPED AND HEARTH ROAD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CLOSED OFF THE TUTTLE FORCING ALL TRAFFIC TO THE LIGHT.

I, I, YOU KNOW, , I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY.

AND TO GO FROM R SIX, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? R SIX FOR MI I THINK IT WAS 5.8 PER UNIT.

FIVE POINT, YEAH.

DOWN TO R ONE.

THAT'S TOO MUCH OF A STEP.

THAT'S NOT A STEP DOWN.

I BELIEVE JAY HAS SOME, SOME, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT TRAFFIC.

THANK YOU MR. BRUCEY.

I'LL STATE MY NAME.

JAY TAYLOR.

ADDRESS IS 5 5 7 9 OLD DUBLIN WOODS DRIVE ON ONE OF THE 19 HOMES DOWN AT THE SOUTH END OF, UH, OF HEARST DOWN THERE.

ONE OF BOB'S NEIGHBORS, SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS COULDN'T COME TONIGHT.

I HEAD UP THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION FOR OUR

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19 HOMES.

SO REPRESENTING THEM HERE TONIGHT.

TO ADD TO BOB'S CONTEXT, ZACH, IF YOU CAN DO ME A FAVOR AND BRING UP THAT PREVIOUS R 13 AND THE THE CLOSEUP VERSION OF THAT.

SO TODAY THE CHALLENGES FOR US IS GETTING OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT CONTINUES TO GET WORSE.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE FAR RIGHT WHERE THAT LAKE IS THERE, AND THERE'S SOME BUILDINGS THERE, WE'RE RIGHT IN FRONT OF WALMART.

SO THERE'S A STUB, IT'S ACTUALLY TWO HERTH ROADS.

THERE'S ONE NORTH SOUTH, THERE'S ONE EAST, WEST.

WE CAN'T GO NORTH INTO DUBLIN TODAY.

THAT'S SUICIDE AT THAT INTERSECTION.

ALL THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THE GROSS SOUTH OF US RIGGINS ROAD INTO HILLIARD AND NO CONNECTION TO TWO 70 AT DAVIDSON AND NO CONNECTION TO TWO 70 AT HAYDEN RUN.

ALL THAT TRAFFIC IS NOW COMING NORTH.

THE NEXT STREET TO OUR SOUTH IS ALL THE CONDOS AT REAGAN'S THAT CONTINUES TO GO WEST.

SO ALL THAT GROWTH TO THE WEST IS COMING UP THAT ROAD.

SO THAT'S SUICIDE FOR US TO TRY TO GET OUT.

THEN IF YOU GO TO THE NORTH, ZACH, IF YOU CAN SCOOT THAT DOWN FOR A SECOND PLACE RIGHT THERE TO THE NORTH, WE HAVE TO GO RIGHT IN THE MORNING.

SO MOST OF OUR CONSTITUENTS WANNA GET UP INTO DUBLIN.

THE PROBLEM IS THEY HAVE TO CROSS AT, AT THAT INTERSECTION THERE OF TUTTLE AND BRITAIN PARKWAY.

THEY'VE GOTTA CROSS OR EMERALD PARKWAY.

THEY'VE GOTTA CROSS THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC, INCLUDING THE SCHOOL BUSES.

I'M A 20 PLUS YEAR RESIDENT OF MY, OF WHERE I'M AT.

SO I SEE IT EVERY MORNING.

NOW YOU RUN THE RISK OF TAKING THESE 120 OR POTENTIALLY 240 CARS A DAY IN AND OUT OF THERE AS BOB HAS ALLUDED TO.

AND IT'LL MAKE IT A CHALLENGE TO GET OUT OF THERE.

WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GO OUT VIA WALMART 'CAUSE WE CAN'T GET OUT OF THERE TODAY.

SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS TODAY AT THAT WALMART INTERSECTION ACTUALLY GO SOUTH INTO HILLIARD TO THE NEXT ROUNDABOUT AND TURN AROUND TO COME BACK NORTH TO GET INTO DUBLIN AND IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE.

I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING TO TAKE TUTTLE CROSSING ALL THE WAY OUT TO AVERY, AN EXTENSION.

I'VE TALKED TO PAUL, I TALKED TO HIM AGAIN FRIDAY.

WE'VE WORKED WITH HIM OVER THE YEARS, PAUL HAMMERSMITH.

THAT WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO MAKE IT WORSE.

THAT ROUNDABOUT THAT UP ON TUTTLE IS OUR WAY OUT.

THAT WAS WHAT WAS PLANNED.

THAT WAS WHAT WAS PLANNED WITH PAUL HAMMERSMITH AND OTHERS THAT CAME TO OUR RESIDENCES YEARS AGO TO WORK OUT THIS PLAN.

SO WITHOUT THAT THERE, LIKE I SAID, IT MAKES IT MUCH MORE CHALLENGING AND THE MI PROPERTY IS BEING PROPOSED HERE, SITS RIGHT IN THE WAY OF PUTTING THAT ROAD IN AND RIGHT IN THE WAY OF THAT ROUNDABOUT.

AND AS BOB MENTIONED TODAY MAJORITY OF US HAVE TO COME WEST ON TUTTLE AND THEN DO A U-TURN RIGHT PAST NTB TIRE AS A CAR COMING UP BEHIND GET 60 MILES AN HOUR.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE SCHOOL BUSES BY THE WAY, THAT ARE DOING THAT SAME U-TURN.

SO DUMPING THOSE 240 CARS ON AN OLD FARM LOAD FARM ROAD, WHICH IS HEARTH ROAD, WILL OBVIOUSLY MAKE THIS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME STRUGGLE TO GET OUT THAT WE DO.

SO THAT WILL BACK UP TONIGHT AS AN EXAMPLE, COMING IN HERE, IT BACKED UP JUST TO TRY TO COME HERE TO GET UP TO WHERE YOU GUYS ARE.

'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO CROSS THAT ROAD ON TUTTLE TO GET TO THE SHELL GAS STATION.

THEN TO HANG A LEFT, WE HAVE TO CROSS THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC JUST TO GET TO A LEFT.

'CAUSE THE LEFT TURN WAS ELIMINATED YEARS AGO WHEN THAT BOULEVARD WAS PUT IN BY DUBLIN AND COLUMBUS.

SO SPEAKING FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND THE 19 HOMES THAT ARE OUT THERE AND BEING THE HEAD OF THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, I CAN TELL YOU THE ANSWER FROM US IS THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT FIT.

WE KNOW THERE WILL, THERE WILL BE DEVELOPMENT, BUT FOR US, THIS IS JUST NOT THE RIGHT FIT.

WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET OUTTA OUR HOMES.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DRIVE INTO HILLIARD TO COME BACK NORTH.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DRIVE INTO COLUMBUS TO TRY TO GET INTO DUBLIN, TO GO TO THE POST OFFICE TO GO TO, TO, TO, TO COME TO HERE, TO GO TO THE REC CENTER, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

THANK YOU MR. TAYLOR.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE LIVESTREAM? OKAY, EXCUSE ME.

WE HAD ONE EARLIER IN THE WEEK, UM, THAT I WANTED TO SHARE, UM, THAT STAFF, UM, WAS PROVIDED.

UM, AND THIS IS FROM JENNIFER FOREN.

UM, AND SHE SENT THIS DIRECTLY TO ZACH, UM, AND SAID SHE WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING TONIGHT, BUT HOPING TO PROVIDE HER THOUGHTS VIA EMAIL.

UM, UNDERSTANDING THE DESIRE TO EXPAND HOUSING IN DUBLIN.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENTRANCE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT BEING OFF HER THROAT AND NOT OFF TUTTLE PARKWAY.

THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL TURN IN AND OUT OF HEARTH AND WHERE THERE IS NO TRAFFIC LIGHT IS NOT GOING TO BE SAFE.

IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER TO PUT A ROUNDABOUT, A TUTTLE, WITH AN ENTRANCE TO THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT.

FURTHERMORE, THAT WILL HELP WITH THE SPEEDING AND DRAG RACING CURRENTLY HAPPENING ON TUTTLE BETWEEN WILCOX AND BRITAIN PARKWAY.

ALSO, THE NUMBER OF TOWN HOMES BEING PROPOSED IS REALLY LARGE.

IDEALLY THE DESIGN WOULD INCORPORATE MORE GREEN SPACE AND WALKING TRAILS, WHICH WOULD MAKE THE AREA MUCH MORE DESIRABLE FOR FAMILIES.

THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY COMMENTS AND HAVE A GREAT EVENING, JEN.

THANK YOU MS. RA.

ALRIGHT, UH, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR, UM, FEEDBACK ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

MR. WE WOULD YOU MIND STARTING US OFF THIS EVENING? THANK YOU.

UM, AND THANKS FOR COMING IN WITH YOUR PROPOSAL.

UM, I HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS AND WE DO HAVE THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS ON THE SCREEN.

NUMBER FOUR OBVIOUSLY IS OUR NORMAL GO-TO OF EVERYTHING ELSE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SO, UM, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.

I THINK, UM, AGAIN, GOING WITH SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY

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MAKES SENSE.

UM, I AM NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE LAYOUT.

UM, I GO TO THE CONVERSATION THAT THE RESIDENCE JUST BROUGHT UP AND GOING BACK TO THE DRAFT SPECIAL PLAN THAT'S EMERGING DOES, UM, SUGGEST A PUBLIC ROAD THAT COMES THROUGH THIS SITE.

AND I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE TREATING THIS SITE AS AN ISLAND AND IT REALLY DOES NEED TO FIT INTO THE BIGGER PICTURE.

AND SO I THINK I WOULD REALLY LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AS YOU DEVELOP THE PLAN, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE SPECIFICS, BUT THE IDEA THAT THIS IS ALMOST LIKE ONE BIG CUL-DE-SAC.

AND I THINK THE, THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN THINKS OF IT AS PART OF A BIGGER DEVELOPMENT WITH PUBLIC ACCESS, A ROADWAY ACCESS THAT RUNS, UH, ALONG IT.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S UH, ONE ELEMENT.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE QUESTIONS, ZACH? UM, I ALSO THINK THAT WHILE I SUPPORT THE DENSITY, I THINK THERE'S JUST TOO MANY UNITS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET WITHIN THE AVAILABLE LAND THAT'S LEFT ON THIS.

AND IT'S CREATING, UM, A VERY RIGID PLAN.

AND I THINK IT DOES, DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S TRYING TO RELATE TO THE OPEN SPACE, THIS WONDERFUL OPEN SPACE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF.

IT'S ALMOST TURNING ITS BACK ON IT.

THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE.

AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT OPEN SPACE SHOULD BE VERY PERMEABLE.

IT SHOULD START TO, UM, AS OPEN SPACE WITHIN DEVELOPMENT SHOULD COME IN AND BE INTEGRATED WITH THE HOUSING.

UM, I MEASURED THE ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

IT'S A QUARTER MILE LONG.

IT'S STRAIGHT SHOT.

AND I JUST THINK THAT, UH, THAT'S A VERY DEADLY ENVIRONMENT FOR SOMEBODY TO LIVE ON.

IT ONE ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO SPEED THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE AVOIDING THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, THE THE BACKYARD OPEN SPACES THAT WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT, WHICH I WAS CONFUSED, WAS I THOUGHT THEY MIGHT BE FRONT YARD WITH GARAGES IN THE BACK AND, AND FRONT DOORS IN THE FRONT, BUT THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO, AGAIN, THIS OVERALL OPEN SPACE STRATEGY AND, AND WEAVING IN THE, THE NATURAL OPEN SPACE WITH THE MANMADE OPEN SPACE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW CAN WE MAKE ME MAKE IT A LITTLE LESS DENSE, TRY TO MAKE IT LESS ORTHOGONAL AND VERY, UH, FIXED IN TERMS OF A GRID AND TRY TO LOOSEN THAT UP AND TRY TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN AND, UH, CREATE A MORE SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

ENGAGE WITH THAT LARGER OPEN SPACE.

AND THEN THE, THE OTHER THING THAT, UM, I THINK IS A, IS A CHALLENGE IS THE, THE UNITS THAT YOU'VE, UH, PROPOSING TO BUILD HERE WITH TWO CAR GARAGES AND THE GARAGE DOORS IS ARE FRONT AND CENTER.

SO ALONG THAT QUARTER MILE STRETCH, IT'S JUST GARAGE DOOR, GARAGE DOOR, GARAGE DOOR.

YOU DON'T SEE A FRONT DOOR, ANYTHING 'CAUSE THEY'RE RECESSED.

AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A DEADLY ENVIRONMENT.

I DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN BUILT LIKE THIS.

I I'VE REMEMBER THEM FROM 30 YEARS AGO.

AND I REMEMBER GOING INTO 'EM AND GOING, AH, THIS IS SUCH A TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE.

SO I THINK IT, HOW CAN YOU START, UH, MOVING THESE UNITS IN A WAY AND, UH, ARRANGING THEM, ORGANIZING THEM SO IT'S NOT JUST THIS, UH, WALL OF GARAGE DOORS THAT YOU'RE FACED AS YOU MOVE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND THEN AGAIN, I THINK THE, JUST THE, THERE'S THE BIGGER OPEN SPACE AND HOW THE, THE UNITS AND THE ROADWAY STRUCTURE ALL STARTS TO WEAVE TOGETHER WITH THE LARGER OPEN SPACE.

BUT JUST BE VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT THESE SMALLER OPEN SPACES.

WHAT ARE THEY, HOW DO THEY CONTRIBUTE TO DEVELOPMENT? HOW DO THEY, UH, CONTRIBUTE TO PLACEMAKING? UH, THE, THE, THE, THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT'S EMERGING TALKS A LOT ABOUT PLACEMAKING.

SO HOW DO WE CREATE SOME, SOME LIFE INTO THIS VERY RIGID ENVIRONMENT? SO I'D, I'D APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD START LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.

THANK YOU MR. WE MS. HARDER.

UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

UM, AND THANK YOU MR. WE FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

I AGREE.

UM, I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE REZONING OF THIS, UM, EXCEPT I'M OPEN TO SEEING SOMETHING ELSE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

I'M NOT, UM, I SEE THAT THE DENSITY IS TOO MUCH.

UM, I DON'T LIKE THE, UH, IN AND OUT SEEMS QUITE, UM, UH, LONG AND ALSO REPETITIVE WHERE THERE'S NOT, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A A GARAGE FACING YOU MORE THAN A HOME FACING YOU, IT DOESN'T SEEM AS WELCOMING.

UM, I THINK YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT HOW TO INCORPORATE OTHERS INTO THE AREA.

UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, NO PRIVATE STREETS.

IT FEELS LIKE THAT ISLAND THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED.

UM, JUST THINKING ABOUT NO SIDEWALKS, ONE ON ONE SIDE, MAYBE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UM, OKAY.

ALSO IN THE BACK TOO.

IT'S GOTTA BE A LIVABLE EXPERIENCE.

AND SO A LOT OF, I HOPE YOU, UM, SPEND TIME THINKING ABOUT THAT AND HOW FAMILIES ARE GONNA LIVE

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THERE.

THESE ARE, AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE PUTTING MONEY INTO THESE HOMES, BUT THEY NEED TO BE, UM, GOOD QUALITY EXPERIENCES, FAMILY EXPERIENCES, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF WALL GOES IN BETWEEN THE TWO.

AND, UH, AND, AND, UH, AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT, UH, THE TRAFFIC IS A HUGE ISSUE.

YOU CAN HAVE BACKUP, UM, OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN.

UM, IT'D BE INTERESTING IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A LIGHT THERE OR NOT.

UM, AND, UM, I HOPE THAT YOU MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS AND SPEND TIME WITH THEM, UH, JUST SO THAT YOU ALL HAVE AN IDEA WHERE EACH OTHER IS.

SO THANK YOU.

I, AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU ALL, UM, UH, BEING HERE FOR SURE.

MR. CHINOOK.

UM, I, UM, I GUESS IN GOING THROUGH THE LIST OF QUESTIONS, I'M, I'M ALSO, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE REZONING.

I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, PER ACRE, UH, DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

I THINK THAT'S OBVIOUSLY, UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, THE REST OF THE COMMISSION TALKING ABOUT, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST WAY TOO DENSE AND I'LL, AND, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE, I THINK I'LL JUST, I MEAN, SAY IT BLUNTLY.

I THINK WE'RE ALL KIND OF SKIRTING THE ISSUE.

IT'S JUST, IT, IT FEELS VERY GENERIC.

IT'S NOT VERY CREATIVE.

UM, IT FEELS LIKE YOU'VE PROBABLY DONE THIS MAYBE OTHER PLACES MANY TIMES AND JUST POPPED IT ON OUR SITE AND NOT REALLY CONSIDERED THE AREA OR CONSIDERED THE ACCESS TO THE AREA.

AND, UM, REGARDING THE GREEN SPACE TOO, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S SOME RESTRICTIONS, BUT TRY SEE WHAT HAPPENS, RIGHT? GET PROPOSE A BRIDGE, PROPOSE A TRAIL, PROPOSE SOMETHING TO ACTIVATE THAT SPACE.

I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY ARE INTERESTED IN THIS SITE, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE CAN JUST DO, I MEAN QUITE, QUITE HONESTLY, JUST DO BETTER WITH IT.

I MEAN THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF CHALLENGES TO IT, YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SAID REPEATEDLY AND IT JUST BOILS DOWN TO ME IS JUST, IT JUST, IT HAS TO BE BETTER.

IT HAS TO BE CREATIVE.

YOU HAVE TO TRY A LITTLE HARDER AND, AND MAKE IT FIT WITHIN, WITHIN THE SITE.

UM, AND, AND, AND REGARDING THE ARCHITECTURE, IT'S FINE, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT AT THIS POINT.

I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE, THE SITE LAYOUT FIRST BEFORE WE CAN KIND OF GO DOWN TO THAT NEXT STEP OF CONSIDERING THE ARCHITECTURE AND EN MASSING.

THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER.

MR. ALEXANDER.

I'LL ADDRESS THE ARCHITECTURE, UM, FIRST, BUT I'LL GO THROUGH THE POINTS.

FIRST OF ALL, I, I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF ANY DEPARTURE FROM THE PLAN THAT'S BEING ADOPTED THERE, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TIME AND THOUGHT THAT'S GONE INTO THAT PLAN.

SO IF ANY REZONING IT WOULD DEPART FROM THAT PLAN, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT.

UM, THE, THE PLAN, THE FEELING IS THAT IS THE PLAN THAT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THAT PLAN ALSO DOES RECOMMEND A ROAD WHICH WOULD RELIEVE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS.

UM, THE, THE PLAN IS MONOTONOUS.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT BEFORE.

WHY IS THE PLAN SYMMETRICAL? IF YOU THINK ABOUT DRIVING SOMEONE COMING TO THAT STREET, THE TWO SIDES LOOK THE SAME, AND THEN YOUR BUILDINGS ARE MONOTONOUS.

UM, I THINK, I THINK IT'S AN INAPPROPRIATE BUILDING TYPE.

IF YOU MENTIONED WORK, THE IS ON JOHN SHIELDS AND THE TRADITIONAL TOWNHOUSE EVOLVED FROM A ROW HOUSE, WHICH HAS THE GARAGE IN THE BACK, AND YOU CAN HAVE STREET PARKING, YOU CAN HAVE A TRUE FRONT DOOR, YOU CAN HAVE SOME PARKING ON THE STREET AND IT ANIMATES.

BUT THERE'S A TRUE FRONT.

THE BACK IS WHERE THE GARAGES ARE.

I THINK THESE, THE, THE ARCHITECTURE'S INAPPROPRIATE.

IT'S MONOTONOUS, LIKE THE PLAN AND THE GARAGES DRIVE WHAT YOU SEE.

AND I THINK, NO PUN INTENDED, SO I, I REALLY THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT BUILDING DESIGN AND A DIFFERENT PLAN.

MR. TESLER, THANKS FOR BRINGING THE PROPOSAL.

I SHARED THE SENTIMENT, UH, ALMOST IDENTICAL WITH A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE ON THE BOARD.

I AM SUPPORTIVE OF SOME DEVELOPMENT, WHAT'S PROPOSED I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF.

AND, UM, I THINK THE, AND I'M, I'M GONNA TRY NOT TO BE TOO REPETITIVE.

IT, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE FIXED UP.

I, I THINK THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME KIND OF PUBLIC ROAD AND A DIFFERENT ACCESS POINT.

I HEAR THE CONCERNS, I KNOW THE AREA.

IT'S HORRENDOUS OVER THERE.

UM, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A DESIGNATION ALONG WITH WHAT, WHAT GARY SAID RELATIVE TO THE, THE, THE LOOK OF THE HOMES.

AND AGAIN, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, JAMIE MAKES A GOOD POINT.

WE CAN PROBABLY WITHHOLD A LOT OF COMMENT RELATIVE TO THE ARCHITECTURE UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT.

BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE AN OVERHAUL OF THE LOOK OF AT LEAST THE, THE PRIMARY ELEVATION AND THE SPACING OF WHERE YOU HAVE THE PARKS, THE GREEN SPACE, THE INTEGRATION OF GUEST SPACES.

UH, I THINK YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS AREA TO DO SOMETHING REALLY UNIQUE.

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UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE PRESENTED WITH IS, IS NOT IT.

SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER.

WE APPRECIATE THE COMPREHENSIVE COMMENTS.

THANK YOU MR. DESLER.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS ASKED TO, UH, KIND OF KEEP IN MIND DIFFERENT CHALLENGES, UH, IN OUR ROLE.

ONE OF THOSE IS TO THINK COMPREHENSIVELY.

AND SO YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS TOUCH ON THE INTEGRATION OF A MIXED USE COMPONENT.

YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU'VE HEARD THEM TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC, CONNECTIVITY, MAKING SURE IT'S NOT A SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE.

YOU'VE HEARD THEM TALK ABOUT THE ENVISION DUBLIN PROGRAM.

UH, WE JUST GOT THROUGH 18 MONTHS OF LOOKING AT WHAT DO WE WANT DUBLIN TO BE? AND MAYBE THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE 2013.

THAT'S WHY WE DO THIS ABOUT EVERY DECADE WE GO THROUGH DUST OFF THE COBWEBS.

LOOK AT WHAT DUBLIN HAS, HAS BUILT OUT IN THE LAST 10 YEARS ACCORDING TO THE LAST PLAN, AND SEE, DOES IT STILL FIT OUR NEEDS? WE DON'T KEEP OUR HOMES THE SAME FOR DECADES AND DECADES AND DECADES AT THE TIME.

WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA KEEP OUR CITY EXACTLY THE SAME.

AND SO AS WE LOOK AT ALL OF THESE, THESE ITEMS, I ECHO WHAT MY FELLOW PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE SAID, LOOKING, THINKING COMPREHENSIVELY.

I THINK WE HAVE SOME WAYS TO GO.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE, I KNOW THAT THIS IS MI HOMES, WHO'S BRINGING FORWARD, FORWARD, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, BUT PERHAPS THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT A DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE PARCEL.

AND MY HOMES LOOKS AT THE RESIDENTIAL, AND WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT LOOKS AT THAT, THAT KIND OF CORNER PIECE TO, AGAIN, THINK OF THIS COMPREHENSIVELY AND BRING IT FORWARD AS A MASTER PLAN.

WE COULD THEN LOOK AT SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO ACTIVATE THE OPEN SPACE, TO PLAN OUT THE OPEN SPACE, TO BRING AMENITIES TO THE RESIDENTS AND TO THE CITY AS A WHOLE TO ADDRESS THOSE, UH, TRAFFIC CONCERNS.

AND OF COURSE, THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT COME ALONG WITH THEM.

WE ALSO ARE CHALLENGED TO LOOK AT THE PUBLIC REALM.

START WITH THE PUBLIC REALM.

SO YOU HEARD PEOPLE SAYING, HEY, DO WE WANNA GO IN THERE, THE DOG PARKS AT THE BACK.

DO WE WANT, YOU KNOW, A QUARTER MILE TO SPEED UP? DO WE WANT GARAGE, GARAGE, GARAGE, GARAGE? AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT PUBLIC REALM.

WE DO WANNA PROTECT OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, BUT WE DON'T JUST WANNA HANG A SIGN SAYING, DO NOT ENTER ON EVERY GREEN SPACE THAT EXISTS IN DUBLIN.

THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CITY WANTS.

WE'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB HISTORICALLY AS A CITY, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE, THOSE GREEN SPACES ARE PROTECTED, THAT WILDLIFE IS PROTECTED, BUT THAT THEY'RE ALSO USABLE.

WHO HERE HASN'T BEEN ON A WALK ON OUR WONDERFUL TRAIL SYSTEM OR VISITED ONE OF OUR, WHAT, 64 PARKS? THEY'RE A GREAT AMENITY AND WE WANNA MAINTAIN THAT, NOT JUST KIND OF PRETEND THEY DON'T EXIST AND CARVE 'EM OUT AT THE BACK OF A PROPERTY.

AND FINALLY, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE WALKABILITY, WHICH GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION ABOUT THAT STREET SCAPE, MR. UNDER HERE HILL ALLUDED TO, UH, WE, WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH PRIVATE STREETS IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE DEVELOPMENT COME IN AND THEY'LL BUILD A PRIVATE STREET AND THEY SAY, DON'T WORRY.

THE HOA WILL TAKE CARE OF IT.

WELL, THE HOA EXIT STAGE LEFT IS RUN BY THE RESIDENTS.

AND 15 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, THEY SAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.

OUR HOA FEES ARE ONE OF THE CONDO DEVELOPMENTS.

MY HOA FEE WAS A $580 A MONTH.

AND SO THEN IT BECOMES THE CITY'S BURDEN.

BUT NOW THOSE STREETS DON'T MEET THE PUBLIC STANDARD.

AND WHAT DO YOU DO? AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING COMPREHENSIVELY, THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE WALKABILITY COMPONENT, THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMPONENT, THE PUBLIC REALM, AND THEN OF COURSE, LOOK THINKING COMPREHENSIVELY.

SO, MR. ROUNDER HILL, WE'VE SAID A LOT THIS EVENING.

UH, IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THESE THINGS FROM US, BUT OF COURSE EVERY APPLICATION HAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FLAVORS TO IT.

IS THERE ANY CLARIFICATION THAT YOU SEEK FROM THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING? NO, I THINK YOU'VE COVERED IT.

THANK YOU, MR. UNDERHILL.

THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION ON THAT PARTICULAR CASE.

MOVING ON, WE WILL MOVE

[Case #24-073CP]

TO CASE 24 DASH 0 7 3 CP.

THIS IS FOR BRIGHT ROAD, UH, CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW AND FEEDBACK FOR 20 SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE LOTS AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

THE 13.94 ACRE SITE IS ZONED R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND IS LOCATED NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF GRANDY CLIFFS DRIVE.

AND BRIGHT ROAD IS OUR APPLICANT IN ATTENDANCE.

I WILL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR CASE PRESENTATION.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE PRESS THE BUTTON TO ENGAGE YOUR MICROPHONE AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

MY NAME IS BILL ADAMS. I LIVE AT 88 24 DUNSTON LANE DRIVE IN DUBLIN.

UM, I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF DUBLIN FOR 30 PLUS YEARS.

I WAS RAISED MY DAUGHTERS HERE AND THEY ARE PROUD GRADUATES OF, UH, JEROME HIGH SCHOOL.

UH,

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MY REAL ESTATE CAREER BEGAN IN DUBLIN WITH A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF JIM PICKETT AT METRO CENTER.

I HAVE DONE NUMEROUS PROJECTS THROUGHOUT DUBLIN, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN EAST DUBLIN.

I WAS, UH, VICE PRESIDENT DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR DUBLIN VILLAGE CENTER IN THE LATE EIGHTIES, EARLY NINETIES, AND MOST RECENTLY CAMPTON LAKES WITH MY FATHER HOWARD AND LEE GUZO.

I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

I KNOW WE HAVE LIMITED TIME.

BRIAN KINSMAN FROM MKSK IS OUR PLANNER AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.

JOE AINO, PRESIDENT OF CORINTHIAN BUILDERS IS OUR BUILDER PARTNER IN THE PROJECT.

TOM WARNER, ADVANCED CIVIL DESIGN, WHO IS NOT HERE IN ATTENDANCE.

AND BRIAN KENT JONES, OUR RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT.

I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO BRIAN, WHO'S GONNA PROVIDE A LOT OF DETAIL AND WALK YOU THROUGH OUR SLIDE PRESENTATION.

CORRIDOR AND THE WOODLOT AND THE PERIMETER, ALL TO BE PRESERVED.

WELCOME MR. JONES.

PLEASE TEACH YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

BRIAN KINSMAN.

UM, UH, 4 6 2 SOUTH LUDLOW COLUMBUS.

UH, MADAM CHAIR COMMISSION MEMBERS, STAFF.

THANKS FOR HAVING US.

LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS.

UM, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF BULLET POINTS HERE.

'CAUSE THIS IS MY CHEAT SHEET.

I'LL FORGET THIS STUFF IF I DON'T.

UM, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL OF YOUR PLANNING DOCUMENTS, SO WE'VE BEEN PARTY TO SOME OF THOSE PLANNING DOCUMENTS BY THE, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, UM, AND HAVE FOUND THIS SITE, UM, ABSOLUTELY TAILOR MADE FOR THIS PROPOSAL.

WE'RE ABOUT TO SHOW TO YOU TONIGHT.

WE'VE BEEN, BILL AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS SITE FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS, AND THE OWNERS IS HERE AS WELL TONIGHT.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SITE.

IT'S GOT SOME CHALLENGES TO IT, BUT, UH, ITS NATURAL FEATURES ARE WONDERFUL.

UH, IT'S WITHIN A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD ON, I, I THINK, A, A BEAUTIFUL STREET.

IT'S GOT, UM, VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC.

NOW.

THE BRIGHT ROAD DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO RIVERSIDE DRIVE.

THAT'S A GOOD THING, UH, FROM OUR STANDPOINT.

SO WE THINK THAT, UH, THIS IS PRIME TO FIT INTO WHAT IS A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SOME BEAUTIFUL NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THE NATURAL FEATURES OF THE SITE.

I'LL GO INTO THOSE IN MORE DETAIL AS I GET THROUGH THIS.

WE'VE GOT A, UH, THE BILLINGSLEY RUN WOODLOCK THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF, OF THE SITE, AND THEN WHAT I CALL THE WESTWOOD ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE.

THE WESTWOOD RECEIVED DRAINAGE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH.

BILLINGSLEY RUN HAS GOT A TRIBUTARY THAT GOES ALONG OUR EAST BOUNDARY THAT DOESN'T MOVE MUCH WATER, BILLINGSLEY DOES, BUT IT GOES DOWN TO THE SOUTH.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IN THIS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH, THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THE SITE, THE DEVELOPMENT GROUND, IF YOU WILL, ONCE, UH, HAD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME RECENTLY, UH, DEMOLISHED.

A SWIMMING POOL HAS AN EXISTING GARAGE THAT REMAINS THERE NOW.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVEWAY THAT LED BACK TO THE HOME SITE.

SO IT, IT WAS PASTURE LAND OR CULTIVATED, CERTAINLY CLEARED OVER THE YEARS.

THAT IS WHERE WE ARE CONCENTRATING.

THAT IS WHERE WE'RE SPECIFICALLY PLACING THE DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVING NOT ONLY THOSE TWO WOODED AREAS, BUT UH, THE PERIMETER GREEN SPACE, THE, OUR LOVELY NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH.

I'M SURE THEY'VE GOTTEN USED TO THAT GREEN, UH, UH, SPACE THAT IS ON OUR, ON OUR NORTH BOUNDARY.

WE'RE LOOKING TO PRESERVE AND ENHANCE THAT AND ENHANCE THAT, UH, TO, WE'VE GOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE WEST.

ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BRIGHT ROAD.

WE'VE GOT BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN TO THE EAST.

SO ALL OF THOSE GREEN EDGES WE ARE LOOKING TO PRESERVE AND ENHANCE.

WE'VE DONE A TREE SURVEY, UM, AND WE'VE FOUND THAT THE WESTWOOD GOOD NEWS IS THE PERIMETER TREE STAND IS OF HIGH QUALITY.

THE MIDDLE TREES NOT SO MUCH, UM, NOT REALLY A SURPRISE BEING A A, A VOLUNTEER GROWTH WOODLOT, THE TREES ALONG BILLINGSLEY RUN ARE MAGNIFICENT.

IT'S IN THE FLOODWAY AND IN THE STREAM CORRIDOR PROTECTION ZONE.

SO WE'RE NOT, UH, GOING INTO THAT AT ALL.

SO THE NATURAL FEATURES OF WHAT HAVE DRAWN US TO THIS, THE RURAL LANDSCAPE OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CULTURE AND THE HISTORY OF, OF DUBLIN, THAT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US.

WE'VE GOT THE, UH, THE MOUND BUILDER PARK JUST TO OUR SOUTH.

WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE RIVERFRONT THAT IS TO OUR WEST, AND THEN A SHORT WALK AWAY DOWN TO BRIDGE PARK.

SO THIS IS VERY, VERY WELL POSITIONED IN TERMS OF TAKING ADVANTAGE OF WHAT DUBLIN HAS TO OFFER.

UH, THE BRIGHT ROAD STREET CHARACTER, I, I THINK IS A, IS A BEAUTIFUL STREET, SPECIFICALLY.

ONCE YOU GET PAST THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, IT, IT TURNS INTO A VERY QUIET STREET PAST THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

AGAIN, NO THROUGH TRAFFIC, UH, THE STREAM

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UH, CERTAINLY WE'VE GOT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TO DEAL WITH.

UH, ENGINEERING HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND FORTHRIGHT IN OUR EARLY CONVERSATIONS TO HELP US THROUGH ALL OF THAT.

THE QUALITY OF LIFE, I THINK IS GOING TO BE SPECTACULAR.

UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE ONLY 20 HOUSING SITES ON THIS PIECE OF GROUND.

IT'S 14 ACRES.

UH, THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UM, MILLION AND A HALF TO $2 MILLION SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

THIS'LL BE DEVELOPED IN ONE PHASE.

PUBLIC ROADWAYS, PUBLIC UTILITIES, AND WILL ALL BE CONTROLLED ARCHITECTURE.

ONE BUILDER CORINTHIAN FINE HOMES WILL BE DEVELOPING ALL OF THIS.

THEY'LL BE CUSTOM HOMES.

IT'LL BE THEMED AS, AS I CALL IT, THE, THE HAMLET IN THE PARK.

UH, BUT EACH OF THESE HOMES WILL HAVE SOME DISTINCT CHARACTER TO IT.

BUT THERE WILL BE A COMMONALITY OF MATERIALS AND PROBABLY ARCHITECTURAL FORMS AND SHAPES.

THESE IMAGES THAT YOU SEE FROM BRIAN JONES WERE AS MUCH FOR INSPIRATION AS FOR ANYTHING.

BUT A FEW OF THEM ARE VERY KEY RELATIVE TO AT LEAST THE VISION I HAVE IN MY HEAD FOR THIS.

AND THAT IS THE, THE FRONT YARD SPACE, THE CHARACTER OF THE, OF THE LEADING FACADES, UH, THE ENTRY GARDENS INTO THESE, THESE HOME SITES.

UH, HED ENCLOSED FE ENCLOSED STONE WALL ENCLOSED, BUT ALL OF THESE HOME SITES, UH, F FACING AND ADDRESSING THE STREET, HAVING VERY WELL TAILORED OUTDOOR SPACE, PROVERBIAL INDOOR OUTDOOR LIVING WITH DINING TERRACES, NO DOUBT.

SOME SWIMMING POOLS AND SPAS AND GAZEBOS AND THE THINGS.

BUT, UM, THESE ARE BIG LOTS, BUT THEY'RE CLUSTERED.

I SAY BIG LOTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME PRETTY GOOD SIZED HOMES ON THEM AS WELL, BUT THEY'RE 90 TO ONE 20 AS YOU SEE IT DRAWN HERE IN TERMS OF FRONTAGE AND ONE 10 TO ONE 40 IN TERMS OF DEPTH, UNDERSTAND AND QUALIFY THIS, THAT THIS IS A CONCEPT SITE PLAN.

NOW WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE WORK TO DO, BUT OUR, OUR CHARGE WAS TO, MY CHARGE WAS TO DEAL WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT WE HAVE ON THE SITE, DEAL WITH THE NATURAL FEATURES, NOT DESIGNED TO SOME SET, UH, DENSITY FIGURE OR NUMBER OF HOME SITES, BUT WHAT LOGICALLY, COMFORTABLY, ENVIRONMENTALLY FITS THE SITE AND TAKE IT FROM THERE.

THIS SITE PLAN SHOWS THAT WEST, THAT WESTWOOD FIRST, UH, IS, AS I MENTIONED, THE INTERIOR QUALITY OF THE TREES IS POOR TO FAIR.

THE PERIMETER TREES ARE GOOD.

WE'RE LOOKING TO PRESERVE THOSE PERIMETER TREES, CERTAINLY FOR OUR SAKE, AND CERTAINLY FOR THE SAKE OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THIS TO BE A GATED COMMUNITY OR AN ENCASED COMMUNITY.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING PART OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOT EXCLUSIVE OF IT, BUT EVERYBODY WANTS THEIR PRIVACY AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS DO AND AS DO OUR, OUR USERS AS WELL.

SO WE'RE LOOKING TO USE PORTIONS OF THAT.

WESTWOOD IS NOW A WESTWOOD AS SOME OF OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WE'RE GATHERING, WE'RE TAKING THE DRAINAGE FROM THE NORTH, UH, SUBDIVISION, AS I MENTIONED, AND IT FINDS ITS WAY THROUGH THE BACKYARDS MOVING WEST.

WE MAY PUT THAT INTO A CONDUIT, TAKE IT OUT TO BRIGHT ROAD, INTO STORM SEWER, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE WITH ENGINEERING.

UM, WE, THE CENTRAL COURT IS AN INTENTIONAL GREEN SPACE.

IT'S NOT A WIDE CUL-DE-SAC.

IT'S INTENTIONAL GREEN SPACE TO GIVE SOME, UH, SOME COMFORT TO THE FRONTAGE OF THOSE HOMES THAT, UH, FACE IT.

WE MAY DO SOME STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IN THERE AS WELL.

WE MAY VERY WELL SHOWCASE THAT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WITH NATIVE PLANTINGS AND, AND, UH, CREATE A BIT OF A RAIN GARDEN.

THAT, THAT IS ALL SUBJECT TO ENGINEERING.

THERE ARE TWO WATERSHEDS ON THIS SITE.

THERE'S A SMALLER WATERSHED THAT DRAINS OVER TO BILLINGSLEY RUN.

SO THE EAST COURT, WE MAY VERY WELL USE THAT AS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AS WELL WITH POROUS PAVEMENT AND, AND SUBSURFACE, UH, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.

AGAIN, THAT'S SUBJECT TO, UH, WORKING WITH ENGINEERING.

JOSH AND HEIDI HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY HELPFUL WITH US, UH, FOR US AS WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS THUS FAR.

UM, SO WE'RE, UH, BAMA, YOU WENT THROUGH THAT ARCHITECTURE.

I THINK THERE'S, UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, YOU CAN SEE AT THE ENTRANCE TO, UH, BRIGHT ROAD, WE'RE LOOKING TO CREATE, UH, ARCHITECTURE AT THE GATEWAY.

WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A, A, A, UH, MORE INTIMATE STREET SCAPE TO THIS.

WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, NOT TWO.

THAT WAS A SUGGESTION BY SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE PLANNING STAFF.

IT MAY VERY WELL BE SPECIALTY PAVED SIDEWALK, BUT THIS IS SUCH LOW DENSITY THAT WE DON'T, UH, WE'D PREFER TO HAVE GREEN SPACE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

UH, THAT'S NOT A COST FIGURE.

THAT'S MORE A CHARACTER, UH, ISSUE.

SO THE, THE GREEN SPACE ALONG THE FRONTAGE, THOSE ARE LARGE AND SELF LIMBED, UH, FIR TREES.

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WILL AUGMENT THAT WITH MAYBE SOME UNDERSTORY PLANT MATERIAL AS WELL.

SAME WITH THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF HOLES IN THAT NORTH PROPERTY LINE THAT YOU CAN SEE TO AND FROM THOSE OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS FINE, BEAUTIFUL HOMES.

BUT WE'LL INFILL THAT AND WE'VE CREATED A LANDSCAPE EASEMENT ON THAT, UH, ON THAT EDGE SO THAT WE CAN RE-VEGETATE ALL THOSE PERIMETERS.

I THINK I HIT THE HIGHLIGHT REEL.

UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE OR BOSSUM YOU CAN TAKE IT AWAY.

THANK YOU, MR. KINSMAN.

WE'LL INVITE YOU BACK UP WHEN WE DO QUESTIONS DURING THE TIME.

OVER TO YOU, BOSSUM, FOR OUR STAFF PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, WANTED TO AGAIN, UH, EXPLAIN WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMISSION AND THE NEIGHBORS.

UH, THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN.

SO AT THIS POINT, THERE WOULD BE NO DETERMINATION BY THIS COMMISSION.

UH, IT'S NON-BINDING FEEDBACK ON THE OVERALL, UH, PROPOSAL AND LOOKING AT HOW IT INTEGRATES WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS, UH, IF THE LAND USE AND DENSITY ARE APPROPRIATE, THE GENERAL SITE LAYOUT, CIRCULATION AND PARKING CONCEPTUAL ARCHITECTURE.

UM, MUCH LIKE WITH THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, IF THIS DOES MOVE FORWARD, THERE WOULD BE MORE, UH, DETAILED STUDIES, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT, STORM WATER, UTILITIES.

ALL OF THOSE OTHER DETAILS WOULD BE LOOKED AT IN, IN A FINAL GRAIN.

UH, SO IF DOES PROCEED BEYOND THIS STEP, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WELL AS A REZONING, AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND ALL OF THOSE WOULD REQUIRE, UH, REVIEWS AND APPROVALS BY THIS COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, ALONG WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AT AT LEAST THE REZONING DOES REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL.

THE, UH, MR. KINSMAN E EXPLAINED THE SITE.

SO I WILL NOT DWELL TOO MUCH ON THE SETTING OTHER THAN IT IS, UM, WITHIN THE, UH, SUBURBAN, UH, RURAL RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN AND WITHIN THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY, UH, FUTURE LAND USE AREA WITHIN THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS.

UH, BOTH ARE GENERALLY SIMILAR.

UH, THEY'RE USUALLY TARGETING ABOUT ONE ACRE LOTS OR LOTS THAT ARE CLUSTERED SO THAT, UH, GREEN SPACE IS BEING PRESERVED.

SO THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE, THE GENERAL AREA.

UH, SOME IMAGES THAT SHOW THE, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE SITE OFF OF BRIGHT ROAD, UH, RIGHT NOW AND SOME IMAGES THROUGH THE SITE.

UM, AGAIN, I THINK MR. KINSEL DID A NICE JOB OF EXPLAINING THE EXISTING FEATURES.

AND, UM, AGAIN, SIMILAR AERIAL VIEWS TO SHOW WHERE THE, UH, NATURAL FEATURES ARE LOCATED ON THE EAST AND WEST.

THE, UH, PROPOSAL WOULD REQUIRE REZONING TO A PLAN.

THE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, IT INCLUDES SINGLE FA, UH, 20 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ON THE, UH, 14 ACRES.

UH, THE DENSITY WOULD BE ABOUT 1.4 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

IN THIS CASE.

THE, UH, PLAN TYPICALLY IS LOOKING AT, AGAIN, ONE ACRE LOTS OR ONES THAT ARE CLUSTERED.

AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS WHETHER THE, UH, NUMBER OF UNITS PROPOSED IS APPROPRIATE.

AND THE ORGANIZATION, UH, AROUND THE OPEN SPACES IS APPROPRIATE.

THE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ENTRY DRIVE IS, UH, AT THE SAME LOCATION AS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH THE STREET TO THE SOUTH.

SO THAT, UH, IS, UH, WELCOME FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT.

UH, IT ALSO PROVIDES SOME SPACING THERE BEFORE YOU HIT THE CURVE IN THE ROAD.

THE ENTRY DRIVE ITSELF CURVES A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR SOME MORE NATURAL VIEWS.

AND THERE'S A FOCAL POINT WITH LOT SEVEN THAT, UH, MAY BE WORTH, UH, AS IF THIS DOES PROCEED FOR THE ARCHITECTURE OF THAT PARTICULAR LOT TO BE, UH, UH, ADDRESSING THAT FOCAL POINT.

THE, UH, MAIN ENTRY DRIVE WOULD BE 50, UH, UH, 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.

THE REST OF THE DRIVE WOULD BE, UH, 40 FEET.

AND AS MR. KINSMAN, UH, MENTIONED, THERE WOULD BE SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROADWAY SYSTEM.

THE, UH, PRESERVES WOULD BE ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN AND, AND BILLINGSLEY RUN ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE WESTWOODS ON THE WEST SIDE.

AND, AND THE CENTRAL GREEN SPACE, UH, THE LOT IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONSERVATION DESIGN RESOLUTION.

AND

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IT ALSO WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WERE RECENTLY ADOPTED.

AND BOTH OF THOSE DOCUMENTS HAVE, UH, GUIDANCE ON OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION.

UM, IT'S ONE WHERE, UH, THEY DON'T COMPLETELY ALIGN, BUT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT, UH, WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE AS THIS MOVES FORWARD.

SO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THOSE SPACES, LIKE THE, UM, CENTRAL OPEN SPACE DOES NOT TECHNICALLY, UH, MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MINIMUM SIZE, UM, FOR THE CONSERVATION DESIGN RESOLUTION, BUT MAY WANT TO LOOK AT IT COMPREHENSIVELY AND HOW ALL OF THOSE RELATE TO EACH OTHER.

SO, UH, AGAIN, AS IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, THEY WOULD BE SOME, UH, DETAILS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, UH, LOT SIZES WOULD BE, UM, ABOUT, UM, AS, AS MR. KINSMAN MENTIONED, ABOUT BETWEEN 90 AND 110 FEET WIDE BY ONE 10 TO ONE 40 FEET DEEP.

SO THEY'RE, UH, CERTAINLY SMALLER THAN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD LOTS.

UH, BUT MOST OF THOSE WERE DEVELOPED, UH, A LONG TIME AGO IN A MORE RURAL, UH, SETTING.

AND THE APPLICANT WILL, IS PROPOSING TO PROVIDE SOME BUFFERS ALONG THE PERIMETER AND ALONG, UH, BRIGHT ROAD.

THE, UH, MATERIALS FOR THE, UH, THE MATERIALS FOR THE BUILDING ARE INTENDED TO BE TRADITIONAL MATERIALS, BRICKSTONE, CEMENT SIDING, AND, UH, SIMILAR FEATURES.

AND AGAIN, THEY'RE TARGETING SOME UNIQUE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE LOTS AND THE STREET FRONTAGE.

SO EACH HOME LOT WOULD BE, UH, SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT, BUT WITH A UNIFIED THEME.

THE, UH, QUESTION I, I THINK, UH, THE, UH, APPLICATION DOCUMENTS MENTIONED THIN SET BRICK IN THERE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS.

SO, WITH THAT, WANTED TO FRAME A FEW DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

ONE IS, IF THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PRO PROPOSED USE DENSITY AND LOT TYPES, IS THE COMMISSION SUPPORTER OF THE PROPOSED OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK? IS THE COMMISSION SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED LAYOUT? IS THE COMMISSION SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARCHITECTURAL INSPIRATION AND ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE CASE PRESENTATION.

AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HANDLE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.

AFTER QUESTIONS, WE WILL FOLLOW THE SAME FORMAT.

WE WILL INVITE ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM UP TO THE MICROPHONE.

WE DO ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.

UH, AND AFTER ALL PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN MADE, ONLY THEN WILL THE COMMISSION DELIBERATE.

SO LOOK INTO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS.

MR. WE THANK YOU.

UM, I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

GOING BACK TO THE, UH, STONE WATER DETENTION IN THE WESTWOOD AREA.

TELL ME AGAIN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

THE, WELL, FIRST OFF, IT'S THE LOW END OF THE SITE.

IT'S WHERE MOTHER NATURE'S TAKING OUR WATER.

UH, SECONDLY THAT WOODLOT, WHICH WE'VE HAD INVENTORIED, UM, I GOT THIS STATISTIC, SOME, I THINK THERE'S 168 TREES THAT WE SURVEYED IN THERE, AND ONLY 27% OF THEM, SURPRISINGLY TO ME, 27% OF THOSE WERE CLASSIFIED AS GOOD BY THE, BY THE ARBORIST.

THE REST OF THEM ARE FAIR OR POOR.

SO, UH, SURGICALLY SPEAKING, I THINK WE CAN CRAFT SOME OF OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THERE.

WHAT I FAILED TO MENTION BEFORE IS BOTH OF THOSE GREEN SPACES, INCLUDING THAT ONE, ARE GOING TO BE INTENTIONAL PARK SPACE.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE PLAYGROUNDS AND MANICURED LAWN, BUT THOSE ARE MEANT TO BE NATURALIZED.

BUT WITH SOFT SURFACE TRAILS THROUGHOUT CONNECTING, UH, TO THE, TO THE STREET SYSTEM AND THE SIDEWALK SYSTEM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT THREE GREEN EASEMENTS.

THOSE ARE, ARE, THOSE ARE FOR ACCESS, UH, FROM THE SIDEWALK AND FROM THE RESIDENTS INTO THOSE GREEN SPACES WITHOUT HAVING TO WALK THROUGH SOMEONE'S BACKYARD.

UH, SO THAT IS GOING TO BE INTENTIONAL PUBLIC SPACE, BUT INTENTIONAL WOODED RETENTION AREA, CERTAINLY.

AND, AND I, AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO CONVERSATIONS, FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH ENGINEERING, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO A SUNKEN BASIN THAT IS LANDSCAPED NOT, UH, NOT A WET DETENTION BASIN

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THAT IS FULL OF WATER.

UH, IN THAT ONLY AFTER A RAINSTORM TELLING YOU SOMETHING, YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW VERY, VERY WELL, UH, THAT THAT IS USABLE, OPEN SPACE.

PEOPLE WALK THEIR DOGS THROW A FRISBEE.

BUT IN BOTH OF THESE OPEN SPACES, WE THINK THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR VERY CASUAL SEATING AREAS, ADIRONDACK CHAIRS, WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO OUT ON SUNDAY MORNING AND READ THE PAPER IN THE WOODS.

PRETTY DOGG DOGGONE NICE.

WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO FENCE IN ANY OF THIS.

WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO FENCE EVEN THE FRONTAGE RIGHT NOW.

THERE IS A, A RAIL FENCE ALONG THE FRONTAGE, BUT IF THE NEIGHBORS AROUND HERE USE THOSE SPACES, I BELIEVE, UH, UH, AS THEIR OWN, AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

WE'D LOVE TO HAVE THEM CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

SO THAT'S, SO THESE ARE INTENTIONAL OPEN SPACES.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING THE ANSWER WOULD BE.

SO THAT'S GREAT.

UM, CAN YOU, UH, JUST EXPLAIN, UH, THE, THE OPEN SPA, THE CENTRAL COURT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, GREAT, GREAT KIND OF CENTRAL FEATURE.

UM, IS THERE, IS IT PURPOSEFUL THAT IT HAS, IT'S LIKE A ROUNDABOUT THAT IT HAS A ROAD ALL THE WAY AROUND IT? COULD IT, COULD IT BE WITH A ROAD JUST ON ONE SIDE? UH, I THINK SO.

, I, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SAY YES, I THINK SO.

UH, AGAIN, THIS IS CONCEPT.

UH, I'M GOING TO, I THINK WE'RE GONNA MASSAGE ALL OF THESE ROADWAYS SLIGHTLY.

WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS HAVE AN INTENTIONAL AND SOMEWHAT MANICURED OPEN SPACE THAT IS A CENTRAL FOCUS OF THIS COMMUNITY.

PERFECT.

AND THEN THESE, AND THEN THESE OUTBOARD, UH, NATURALIZED OPEN SPACES.

AND THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE TWO, I THINK WOULD BE PRETTY OUTSTANDING.

THE FRONT YARDS AND HOW THE STREETS, THE, THE HOMES ADDRESS THE STREETS.

AND THAT COURT, UH, I THINK AGAIN, WOULD BE SOMEWHAT MANICURED.

AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE BECOMES NATURALIZED.

I WAS JUST THINKING IT COULD BE BETTER WITHOUT SO MUCH CONCRETE AROUND IT, OR ASPHALT OR WHATEVER IT IS.

SO, WELL, THAT'S A, THAT'S A CONVERSATION I WANNA HAVE WITH ENGINEERING AS WELL.

I WAS MENTIONED BEFORE THAT THOSE STREET STANDARDS ARE BEING REVISITED.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO NARROW THE STREETS TO THE EXTENT THEY DON'T FUNCTION, BUT MORE GREENS BETTER THAN MORE GRAY.

SOMETHING TELLS ME, AND MAYBE WE HAVE MULTIPLE CURBS.

I WAS HOPING AND THINKING, AND STILL IN THAT, THAT CENTRAL COURT IS CURB LESS AND IT MAY BE STONE PEER PROTECTED, SO IT BECOMES MORE OF A PARKWAY AND NOT A, A FAT CUL-DE-SAC.

UM, THANK YOU.

UH, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAS HAD WAS ON THE COURT STORMWATER DETENTION.

DID I MISS, DID YOU TALK ABOUT THAT ALREADY? ABOUT WHAT THAT IS ON THE EAST COURT? IT'S, OH, IT'S, I DIDN'T SEE THE TERM EAST COURT ANYWHERE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS, WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE SQUARE, WHAT LOOKS LIKE A CUL-DE-SAC ON, YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE A CUL-DE-SAC.

BUT IT'S NOT, IT, IT IS AQUAR.

IT'S TO BE, UH, SPECIALTY PAVED.

I'M THINKING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE POROUS PAVEMENT, POROUS PAVEMENT.

AND WE MAY VERY WELL, UH, STORE SOME STORM WATER IN SUBTERRANEAN FASHION WITH NUMBER ONES OR DOG HOUSES OR SOME OTHER DEVICES.

BUT IT'S A SMALLER WATERSHED, UH, VERSUS THE LARGER ONE TO THE WEST, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S UP TO ENGINEERING.

AND WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

MIGHT WE OVER DETAIN ON THE WEST AND THEN FREE DRAIN ON THE EAST.

BOTH OF THOSE DRAINAGE CHANNELS END UP IN THE SAME PLACE.

SO, BUT THAT'S AN ENGINEERING QUESTION.

I'M GONNA DO AN ENGINEERING ONCE.

AND I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PERIMETER TREES BEING REALLY NICE AND GOOD SHAPE.

UM, IS THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER INTENDED TO PROTECT THE DRIP LINE OF THOSE TREES, OR YES.

OR MORE ? YEAH, AND IT'S MORE, OKAY.

IT'S ACTUALLY MORE THE, THE, THE TREES, THE FUR TREES ALONG THE, THE, THE SPRUCE TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE HAVE LIMBED THEMSELVES UP OVER THE YEARS.

AND I'M SURE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND A HOMEOWNER, THEY'RE PLANTED MOST OF THOSE TREES WITHIN THAT CLEARING, CERTAINLY THE PERIMETER TO GIVE THEMSELVES SOME PRIVACY.

NOW THOSE, WHAT STARTED OUT AS BEING SHRUB ARE NOW 70 FOOT TALL TREES, BUT THEY'VE LIMBED THEMSELVES UP.

SO THOSE, THOSE, UH, TREE STANDS NEED TO BE AUGMENTED.

THEY, THEY NEED A LITTLE TLC TOO.

THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO HAVE AN ARBORIST OUT THERE AND DO SOME TRIMMING AND TAKE OUT THE STANDING DEAD AND THE REST.

PLAYING ON THE QUAD WRANGLE.

THANK YOU, MR. WANG.

OTHER QUESTIONS? MS. HARDER, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DRY BASIN, EXCEPT WHEN AFTER A RAIN, CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME, ARE YOU SAYING THAT'S USABLE SPACE THAT YOU, YOU THINK PEOPLE WILL BE YES, MA'AM.

UH, DOWN IN THAT AREA, UM, IT, IT ISN'T THE GRASS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO TAKE CARE OF? UM, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE A BIT MORE COARSE AND NOT AS ALL DEPENDS MUCH OF A PLAY AREA.

YEAH, IT, IT, IT ALL DEPENDS.

IT'S NOT AS EASY AS, AS, UH, A GRADING AND A HOLLOW AND, AND, AND PRAYING FOR GOOD RESULTS.

UH, THE, THE SUBSURFACE SOIL NEEDS TO BE TREATED.

THE DRAINAGE STRUCTURES THAT TAKE CARE OF THE HIGH WATER VERSUS THE LOW WATER NEED TO BE ATTENDED TO.

I'VE DONE THEM BOTH WITH MOAN TURF GRASS ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES WHERE AFTER A RAINSTORM, KIDS AREN'T

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TWO HOURS LATER THEY'RE PLAYING ON THE QUAD WRANGLE BECAUSE IT DRAINS DOWN.

WILL THIS BE SUCH MANICURED? I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE LOW NATIVE GRASSES AND FORBES.

SO YOU COULD STILL WALK YOUR DOG THROUGH IT, BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA LAY A BLANKET OUT IN, IN SUNBATHE.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY OF THAT TOO.

AND ALSO, UM, WITH THE SIDEWALKS JUST BEING ON ONE SIDE, WOULD THEY BE LARGER OR WIDER? 'CAUSE WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS THAT IN DUBLIN.

I, UM, MAYBE, UH, AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO ENGINEERING AND TO PLANNING.

AGAIN, IT WAS THROUGH A CONVERSATION WITH, WITH PLANNING THAT, UH, WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WE ONLY NEEDED A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE.

IN THAT, GIVEN THE WALKABILITY AND THE LOAD DENSITY OF THE WHOLE THING, EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO A SIDEWALK AND THEY'LL ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO WALK TO THEIR GANG MAILBOXES AND WALK BACK AND HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE SOFT SURFACE TRAILS THAT GO INTO THE OPEN SPACES.

SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S GOT ACCESS.

IF WE NEED TO PUT IN MORE SIDEWALK, WE'LL PUT IN MORE SIDEWALK.

AND THEN JUST THE, THE MAKING THEM LARGER, THAT WHOLE IDEA SEEMS TO BE OF JUST FAMILY ORIENTED WALKING TOGETHER.

AND THEN ARE YOUR GARAGES THREE CAR GARAGES, OR HOW DOES THAT, AND ARE THEY SIDELOADING? THERE ARE, THERE ARE LARGELY SIDELOADED TO, AND I SAY LARGELY SIDELOADED BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS OF, OF, UM, ORIENTING BUILDINGS ON SOME OF THESE CORNER LOTS, IF YOU WILL.

MM-HMM, THE OUTSIDE CORNER LOTS.

NOT THE INSIDE.

I CAN, I CAN PICTURE THAT.

THAT'S OKAY.

SO THERE, THERE MAY BE, UH, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES LARGELY ATTACHED.

THERE MAY BE AN AUXILIARY THIRD CAR GARAGE OR A CABANA FOR THE POOL, OR OUTDOOR KITCHEN, COOKING AREA, GAZEBO SPACE.

SO WE'VE ALL SEEN THOSE FOLLY GARAGES THAT ARE, I, I THINK, ARE STUNNING PIECES OF ARCHITECTURE AND ADD TO THE WHOLE SITE.

SO WE MAY HAVE MORE THAN TWO CARS, BUT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THE GARAGES AREN'T IMPACTFUL.

AND THEN I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT LANDSCAPING.

SO, UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH EACH NEIGHBOR BECAUSE THE LANDSCAPING IS ALMOST LIKE YOUR ARCHITECTURE.

IS THAT THE 10, THE WAY THAT, THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE GOING WITH THOSE? CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? YES, MA'AM.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

AGAIN, CORINTHIAN IS THE BUILDER, THE DEVELOPER OF EACH OF THESE SITES.

WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT IN ROADWAYS AND PUT UP FOR SALE SIGNS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD EACH OF THESE HOMES ON EACH OF THESE SITES AND NOT SELL THESE LOTS, UH, TO, UH, ANY OTHER BUILDER.

SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TIGHT ARCHITECTURAL CONTROLS.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TIGHT LANDSCAPE CONTROLS LANDSCAPE.

THE FRONT YARDS ARE, ARE, ARE CRITICAL TO ALL OF US.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ALL SEE.

THE PRIVATE SPACE IN THE REAR, THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, HOMEOWNER DRIVEN.

SOME WILL WANT POOLS, SOME WILL WANT BIG DINING TERRACES.

WE'VE GOT WALKOUT CONDITIONS HERE AS WELL.

GIVEN THE TOPOGRAPHY, THERE MAY BE A SIDE FINISHED WALKOUT BASEMENT OR REAR FINISHED WALKOUT.

THANK YOU MS. HARDER.

MR. ALEXANDER, JUST ONE, JUST ONE QUESTION.

UM, WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR SITE PLAN AND, AND SEE THE REAR SETBACK, AND THEN WHEN I LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTS RENDERING, AND YOU SEE HOW DEEP SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE FOOTPRINTS ARE INTO THAT REAR YARD SETBACK, IT, IT LOOKS TO ME, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SORT OF GIVING UP SOME OF THE TRADITIONAL PLAY SPACE IN THE REAR TO HAVE MORE FRONTAGE AND NOT PUSHING THE HOUSES AT THE FRONT SETBACK.

IS THAT ACCURATE? YEAH, I, I, I'M GLAD YOU RAISED THAT POINT, GARY.

WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING EARLIER, I'M THINKING WE WANT TO ACTUALLY DECREASE THE FRONT YARD SETBACK TO BRING THE HOME SITES UP TO THE STREET FRONTAGE SO THAT WE CREATE THAT SENSE OF SCALE.

NOW, LOGICALLY, THAT MAKES FOR MORE BACKYARD SPACE, RIGHT? ARE SOME OF THESE LOT REAR LOTS NEED TO BE EXPANDED? DO I NEED TO MASSAGE THE ROADWAY SYSTEM A BIT TO CREATE MORE BACKYARD? PROBABLY LIKELY.

AGAIN, THIS IS CONCEPT DESIGN, RIGHT? BUT, UH, POINT WELL TAKEN.

I THINK THE, THE, THE, UH, THE CUSTOMER THAT OUR BUILDERS ARE LOOKING AT ARE LARGELY GONNA BE, UH, EMPTY NESTER, DUAL INCOME FOLKS THAT ARE MORE ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT SPACE, LESS ABOUT MOAN LAWN.

MY AND MY COMMENT'S, NOT A CRITICISM, IT'S REALLY JUST UHHUH JUST A QUESTION OF APPROACH BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT.

YOUR DOCUMENTS REFERENCE PLACES LIKE ARLINGTON AND BEXLEY AND, AND SO IT'S A DIFFERENT, UM, SITE CONDITION THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THAN IN A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT.

AND THE, THE SHALLOWER LOTS, I THINK ALSO LEND ITSELF, I LIKE THE WIDER WIDTHS BECAUSE THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, GARAGES CAN BE SOLVED A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, RIGHT? SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A THREE CAR SNOUT GARAGE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

OPEN OR THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU RUN, UH, YOU, I, AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE IN CONCEPT, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE BIKE PATH KIND OF SKETCHED IN THERE, SEEMS LIKE A MISSED OPPORTUNITY NOT TO CONNECT IT TO HOPEWELL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

MR. ALEXANDER.

MR. CHINOOK, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DO.

VERY MINOR, VERY QUICK.

UM, THE

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UM, IS THAT INTENTIONAL TO BE KIND OF MORE EXCLUSIVE IN, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL? UH, I'M NOT SURE I FULLY UNDERSTAND.

IS THAT, SO YOU GOT THE BIKE, THE BIKE PATH IS SHOWN.

WE, WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A SOFT SURFACE TRAIL THAT GOES ALONG THE FRONTAGE, AND WE ALSO HAVE SOFT SURFACE THAT GOES THROUGH ALL THE GREEN, THE GREEN SPACES.

UH, THERE'S, WE'RE NOT AT THIS JUNCTURE PROPOSING ANY PAVED BIKE TRAIL ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF BRIGHT IS, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO CONNECT.

SO THE TRAIL SKETCHED IN, THERE'S A SOFT SURFACE TRAIL.

IT'S NOT, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

SO YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO CONNECT IT NECESSARILY TO THE SCHOOL ACROSS, NOT NECESSARILY NOT PAVED.

AND THEN THE, UM, IN SIMILAR FASHION, THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SITE, THE WESTWOOD, WHERE THAT TRAIL KIND OF GOES, JUST KIND OF DEAD ENDS AT, UM, BRIGHT ROAD THERE? YEAH, AGAIN, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR, UH, THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR PLANNING AND ENGINEERING.

WE, WE WANT TO GET THIS SOFT SURFACE TRAIL DOWN TO BRIGHT ROAD, DOWN THAT FLAG, UH, PIECE TO, TO THE ROADWAY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS THE PARK.

I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT AMENITY FOR, FOR THESE RESIDENTS AND ALSO OUR NEIGHBORS WHO CAN PASS THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT TO GET DOWN TO THAT PARK AND VICE VERSA.

OR PARK USERS THAT CAN COME UP THAT TRAIL AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT WESTWOOD PARK.

WE'LL NEED TO HAVE A CROSSWALK THERE.

THERE'S ONLY FIVE HOME SITES, I BELIEVE, DOWN THE HILL FROM US, SO THERE'S VERY, VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC THERE.

BUT I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO ENGINEERING ON A CROSSWALK OR NOT.

THAT'S A GREAT ANSWER.

I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT CONNECTIVITY WAS BEING CONSIDERED AS PART OF IT.

MR. DESLER, GOOD EVENING.

UH, JUST I WANNA CONFIRM A COUPLE THINGS ON THE OPEN SPACE CENTRAL COURT, ARE YOU THINKING, I, YOU, YOU, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS.

ARE YOU THINKING THAT'S GONNA BE ANY KIND OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OR IS THAT GONNA BE SOLELY JUST LIKE A NICE MODE PARK TYPE AREA? UH, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE SOME STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.

AND I, AND BECAUSE I, AT THIS JUNCTURE OF CONCEPT DESIGN, WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

WE'RE NOT THAT DEEP INTO ENGINEERING YET.

HOWEVER, IF IT IS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, IT WOULD BE THE PROVERBIAL SUNKEN GARDEN.

IT WOULD BE MOAN LAWN OR MAYBE A LOW FESCUE THAT DOESN'T LOOK UNKEMPT.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UM, A, LIKE A THICK LAWN, IF YOU WILL.

BUT IT MAY VERY WELL FILL UP WITH WATER AFTER A THUNDERSTORM.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE AREA THAT IT, IT WOULD NOT BE A POSSIBILITY TO HAVE THAT LARGER OPEN SPACE CENTRAL COURT TO BE JUST A, A NICE MODE MAINTAINED AREA? MAYBE IF I COULD, IF, IF WE CAN GET ALL OF THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IN THAT WESTWOOD, WHICH AGAIN IS THE LOW PORTION OF THE SITE AND WHERE EVERYTHING, UH, OUTFALLS, THEN THAT WOULD JUST BE, UM, NOT JUST, IT WOULD BE A, A, A MORE OF A MOAN COURTYARD OR COURT AND NOT HOLD STORM WATER.

I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT TO HAVE ALL OF OUR STORM WATER IN ONE PLACE VERSUS HAVING IT IN TWO.

THAT'S FAIR.

UM, THE, I JUST HAVE THE SAME QUESTION THAT, THAT GARY HAD RELATIVE TO THE, THE SETBACKS.

SO I APPRECIATE, I I AGREE THAT I THINK IT SHOULD BE MOVED UP A LITTLE BIT.

WE DON'T WANNA BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S SOME KIND OF REAR STRUCTURE OR DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER FOR BE A POOL OR ANY KIND OF OUTDOOR KITCHEN THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SEPARATE VARIANCE.

AGREED.

THE, LET'S SEE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THE CITY IN ITS IN ITS EVALUATION HAS INDICATED BASED ON THE DENSITY THAT 14 HOMES HERE WOULD BE THE, THEIR PREFERRED OPTION.

YOU'RE PROPOSING 20.

CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA FOR OUR CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, WHY YOU THINK 20 CAN WORK? WELL, THOSE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THOSE ARE ESTATE LOTS IN SIZE.

UH, WE WOULD WE PREFER TO HAVE THOSE BE, UH, PROPERLY SIZED LOTS TO THE HOMES THAT ARE GONNA SIT UPON THEM, FIRST OFF.

SECONDLY, I'D PREFER TO CONSOLIDATE ALL THE OPEN SPACE AND PRESERVE AS MUCH GREEN AS I POSSIBLY CAN.

SO THAT CAUSES US TO HAVE TO DEAL ONLY WITH THAT CENTER COURT THIRD OF THE PURE ECONOMICS OF THE DEAL.

WE'VE GOT TO GET A FEW MORE HOME SITES ON THIS THAN THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS, OR THIS JUST ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.

WELL, I, I WILL NOT PREACH TO THIS BODY BECAUSE YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I, THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE COST OF PLANNED AND EVERYTHING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS UP AGAINST, BUT IT'S A REALITY.

UH, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THE TERMINUS? I KNOW STAFF BROUGHT IT UP, BUT THE TERMINUS TO THE, THE STREET COMING INTO LOT SEVEN, HOW YOU WOULD TREAT THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, IF AT ALL? YEAH, I , I, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A KEY PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE.

THANK YOU, MR. NESTLER.

ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I JUST HAVE ONE.

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I THINK THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE KEY PIECES OF ARCHITECTURE, BUT WE MAY VERY WELL, UH, PULL THAT, UH, UH, THAT EAST WEST ROAD ON THE NORTH SIDE DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE MOVEMENT IN THAT, UH, EAST TO WEST AND WEST TO EAST ROADWAY.

THAT TERMINUS PIECE MAY HAVE SOME LANDSCAPE FEATURE IN ITS FRONT.

IT COULD BE A DUBLIN ES GLOW STONE WALL WITH A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE BEHIND IT.

SOMETHING THAT STOPS YOUR VIEW INTENTIONALLY.

AGAIN, IT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE FULL AND COMPLETE EXTENT THAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT AT THIS JUNCTURE, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE THOUGHT.

IT'S A GREAT LOT.

UH, AT THIS POINT WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION, WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD.

THE MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND WE DO ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JOHN ROM.

I LIVE AT 4 2 7 3 HANNA HILLS DRIVE, UH, DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS PROJECT, THE CON I'VE PULLED SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AND THE BIGGEST CONCERN WE HAVE IS THAT, UH, THERE'S SEVEN HOMES ACROSS THE BAT, AND IT'S A STRAIGHT LINE WITH A 30 FOOT SETBACK.

THEY'RE GONNA PUT GREEN SPACE IN THERE OF 30 FEET AND KEEPING WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN THAT AREA.

AND WE HAVE THE BEST AREA IN DUBLIN, BY THE WAY, WITH CIO PARK AND, UH, THA KAZUKO PARK.

AND WE'VE GOT, UH, HOLDER WELLS PROPERTY THERE.

EVERYTHING IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRETTY WELL ISOLATED, WHICH IS KIND OF NICE.

BUT WHEN YOU START PUTTING 'EM IN THERE TO, TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ROW HOUSES ACROSS THE BACK, IT GETS PROBLEMATIC.

IF YOU LOOK AT RIVERSIDE WOODS, THERE'S A SECTION OF THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT ONLY HAS TWO HOMES WITHIN 30 FOOT OF HANNA HILLS DRIVE PROPERTIES.

EVERYTHING GOES OFF ON A DIFFERENT, ON A, ON A OBTUSE ANGLE FROM THE SIDES.

SO WE'RE ASKING THAT, THAT KIND OF BE LOOKED AT.

SO HOW DO WE MOVE THAT AROUND OR SHAKE THAT UP A LITTLE BIT THAT YOU, MAYBE YOU PUT SMALLER LOTS IN THE FRONT, BIGGER LOTS IN THE BACK, AND GIVE US MORE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES.

ALSO, THAT PROPERTY LETS ITSELF, I HEAR EVERYBODY SAYING IT'S, IT, UH, FLOWS TO THE WEST, IT FLOWS TO THE EAST ALSO.

THAT IS LIKE 18 AT PINEHURST.

NUMBER TWO, EVERYTHING ROLLS OFF OF IT.

EVERYTHING GOES NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST.

SO I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE ENGINEERING STUDIES AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE CITY'S GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT, BUT THOSE ARE CONCERNS OF MINE.

I HAVE A BASEMENT WALK OUT , AND I'M CURRENTLY IN THAT GREEN SPOT ON THE TOP RIGHT SIDE.

SO THANK YOU.

MR. ROM.

ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? THE MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON, I'M RANDY ROTH, 6 9 8 7 GRANNY CLIFFS DRIVE IN DUBLIN.

AND, UM, I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF CIVIC ASSOCI, EAST DUBLIN CIVIC ASSOCIATION.

AND I'M HERE TO DO AS BEST I CAN TO REPRESENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW OUR ORGANIZATION, WE WERE FOUNDED IN 1987 AS AN UMBRELLA ORGANIZATION TO REPRESENT ALL OF THE NEIGHBOR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS EAST OF THE RIVER THAT ARE IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.

UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY THANKING MR. ADAMS AND THE OWNER, MS. HEBA, FOR MEETING WITH OUR OFFICERS A NUMBER OF TIMES, KEEPING US INFORMED ALL THE WAY, MEETING WITH OUR, OUR, UH, ENTIRE MEMBERSHIP LAST MONTH AT OUR MEETING, UM, AND BEING VERY OPEN TO LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS.

UM, AND I MUST CONFESS, UH, AS ONE OF THE OLDER RESIDENTS, UH, WE WERE EXCITED TO HEAR THAT MR. ADAMS WAS INTERESTED IN THIS PROPERTY.

'CAUSE WE WORKED WITH HIS FATHER, HOWARD ADAMS, UH, AND PARTNER LEE GUZO IN CREATING, UM, CAMDEN LAKES.

I MEAN, THEIR CHALLENGE WAS VERY DIFFERENT.

AS MR. ADAMS KNOWS, UH, HIS DAD'S CHALLENGE WAS TO TAKE THE BOROUGH PIT FROM THREE 15 AND TURN IT INTO A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.

MR. ADAMS HAS SAID TO US, HIS JOB HERE IS TO MAKE SURE HE DOESN'T TAKE A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT AND SCREW IT UP.

SO I THINK I GOT YOUR, THE SENSE OF YOUR WORDS, IF NOT EXACTLY YOUR WORDS.

CLOSE ENOUGH.

YEAH, CLOSE ENOUGH.

UM, AND, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ONE CONCERN WHICH WE'VE SHARED, UH, OF NEIGHBORS THAT WE SHARED WITH MR. ADAMS IS THE TOUGHEST PART IS GONNA BE HOW WE'RE GONNA LANDSCAPE ALONG THE EXISTING HOMES IN THE NORTH.

UM, I'D HAVE TO SAY THAT THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH, UM, ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND RESTORING THE FENCE ALONG BRIGHT ROAD.

WE LIKE THIS USE.

YES, WE'VE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME.

WE'RE NOSTALGIC FOR WHEN HORSES

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WERE KEPT HERE.

AND THE KENMAN HAS BUILT JUST A LOVELY HOME, WHICH IS SADLY BURNED IN A FIRE.

UM, BUT NEXT TO THAT, THIS IS REALLY A NICE, UM, USE OF THE PROPERTY AND IT RECOGNIZES THAT A LOT OF IT IS UNDEVELOPABLE.

YOU JUST CAN'T BUILD ON A LOT OF THIS SITE.

AND TURNING IT INTO AN AMENITY, NOT JUST FOR THESE RESIDENTS, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE IS VERY GENEROUS THING.

SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

UM, WE DEFER, OF COURSE, THIS IS EARLY ON, UH, AND WE DO DEFER TO YOUR EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE IN THAT OF THE STAFF WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT ARCHITECTURE AND THAT EXACT ROAD DESIGN.

UM, WE'RE NOT EXPERTS IN THAT, UM, HOW WE MIGHT, UH, DEAL WITH LOTS IN HOW THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED TO HELP ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT THAT'S THE SENSITIVE PART THAT WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.

BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OTHERWISE, WE'VE, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM FOR THIS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? SEEING NONE, MS. ROUSH, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT OTHER THAN WHAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR FOLDER AS LATE AS THIS AFTERNOON.

SO THE COMMISSION CONFIRMED THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO REVIEW THE COMMENTS SUBMITTED, AND THAT IS AVAILABLE IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.

ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL TURN TIME OVER TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENTS ON THIS CASE.

AGAIN, THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN.

UH, SO I WILL, MR. CHINO, IF I COULD START WITH YOU THIS EVENING, GONNA PULL UP THE, THERE WE GO.

I, I GENERALLY, I, I, I, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S, UM, AND BILL AND BRYAN, I THINK THIS IS A, A REALLY NICE USE OF THIS SITE.

I THINK YOU'VE DONE A, DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB.

I THINK THERE ARE, AS WE BROUGHT UP, THERE ARE SOME, SOME KIND OF DETAILS THAT OBVIOUSLY NEED TO WORK THROUGH.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE VERY WILLING TO WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS WITH THE STAFF AND APPRECIATE YOU MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO US TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO CONNECT, UM, WITH THE, UH, THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND YOU'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF, OF TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FIT IT IN, UM, AND, AND, AND RESPECT THE SITE AND RESPECT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS.

I THINK THE GREEN SPACE IS GREAT.

UM, I, MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE, UM, WHILE THE INSPIRATION ARCHITECTURE IS OBVIOUSLY BEAUTIFUL, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT STILL FITS WITHIN THE WHOLE FABRIC OF THE WHOLE AREA AND DOESN'T STAND OUT LIKE IT'S JUST KIND OF PLACED THERE.

SO WHILE I THINK YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, THE INSPIR AGAIN, THE INSPIRATION IS GREAT, BUT I THINK JUST TRYING TO BLEND IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA WOULD BE MY ONE COMMENT.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

UM, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE 20, THE, THE ECONOMICS OF TRYING TO GET TO THE 20 LOTS.

BUT I THINK HOW, HOW YOU'VE, HOW YOU'VE DESCRIBED YOUR VISION, UM, MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR THE SPACE.

MR. DESLER, THANK YOU.

UH, YEAH, I'M, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT, WHAT JAMIE HAD NOTED.

UH, I'M SUPPORTER OF THE USE AND I, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE HOW THE ARCHITECTURE, I, I DO WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT SINCE YOU JUST MENTIONED IT.

DON'T WANNA GO OVER AND ABOVE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THERE TO MAKE IT REALLY STAND OUT, BUT I THINK YOU CAN INCORPORATE, UH, WITH SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING AND SOME OF THE MATERIALS.

I, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE, THE BRICK AND STONE THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE NOTED WITH SOME OF THE PHOTOS.

UM, I, I THINK IT'LL FIT AGAIN, AS I NOTED IN, IN MY, MY QUESTION, I, MY PREFERENCE IS TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE I THINK THE, THE LAND MANAGEMENT FROM A WATER RUNOFF AND STORM MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE WOULD PROBABLY BE CHALLENGING, I THINK INCORPORATING SOME USABLE OPEN SPACE WITHOUT HAVING IT BE A WATER RETENTION IS PREFERABLE HERE.

I THINK IT WOULD POTENTIALLY OPEN IT UP.

UM, THAT SAID, I WANT, I WANT, I'D WANT TO AVOID, AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL CALL THIS OUT 'CAUSE I, I SEE IT A LOT WHEN I DRIVE AROUND.

THERE'S A WELLINGTON RESERVE SUBDIVISION OFF OF BRAND ROAD THAT HAS A MASSIVE, UM, NATURAL RETENTION AREA THAT I DON'T THINK FITS APPROPRIATELY.

AND IT STILL BOTHERS ME WHEN I DRIVE BY.

SO THIS ONE, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT BE HIDDEN WITH SOME OF LARGER TREES, IT SOUNDS LIKE, WITH, WHICH IS GONNA BE GREAT.

BUT THAT'S WHY I WOULD RATHER AVOID THAT CENTRAL OPEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WATER RETENTION SPACE.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMICS RELATIVE TO THE LAYOUT AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO ALLEVIATE SOME VARIATION OF WHAT THE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT SAID ABOUT THE STRAIGHT LINE BACK.

I GET THAT THE HOMES ARE GONNA BE ON DIFFERENT VARIATIONS AND ELEVATIONS BACK THERE.

AND I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE HOMES ON THAT BACK END MAY HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A WALKOUT.

I THINK THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY HELP SOME OF THAT LOOK FROM THE, UM, THE OWNERS TO THE NORTH.

BUT, UH, BEYOND THAT, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE.

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I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE AND SOMEWHAT ENTHUSED ABOUT, I WISH THERE WAS MORE TO LOOK AT TONIGHT.

I WISH YOU'D HAVE FREED UP YOUR ARCHITECT A LITTLE BIT TO ALLOW THEM TO PROVIDE US A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.

THE LANDSCAPE PRESENTATION WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE.

UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THERE.

I, I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT MATCHING ARCHITECTURE IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE SO FAR FROM THE EXISTING HOMES.

THEY'RE BUILT AT A DIFFERENT TIME.

UM, MARKETS ARE DIFFERENT.

I THINK THE BUILDINGS SHOULD REFLECT WHEN THEY'RE BEING BUILT.

AND ALSO I THINK YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE CONTINUITY WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY, WHICH I THINK IS MORE VALUABLE THAN MAKING LINKAGES TO HOMES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT DISTANCES AWAY.

UM, I ALSO, THE, THE ONE IMAGE THAT WAS IN THE PACKET AND THE REFERENCE TO, TO THAT PARTICULAR BOOK, THAT IMAGE IS USED A LOT TO SHOW COMMUNITIES WITH SHARED PUBLIC SPACE.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT, THAT'S ALL ABOUT.

AND SO THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PUBLIC SPACE IN THE MIDDLE BEING LESS ABOUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND MORE ABOUT A PUBLIC SPACE THAT PEOPLE CAN USE AND THE HOMES GATHER AROUND, I THINK, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE, UM, THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF YOUR, OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE DESIGN OF THE SPACE, THE ARCHITECTURE SHOULD BE SUBORDINATE TO THAT.

AND ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE DOING THAT WITH THE LANDSCAPE TOO.

UM, SO, UM, AND, AND I, I LIKE THE PROPOSED THEME FOR THE ARCHITECTURE, OBVIOUSLY.

SO THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER, MR. WAY.

UM, EVEN THOUGH THAT IT ENDS AT, UM, AT RIVERSIDE THERE, IT'S BEEN CLOSED OFF ALSO.

UM, AGAIN, I, I'M, THIS IS A REALLY EXCITING PROPOSAL.

UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF OUR CONSERVATION DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED TO ME.

THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST DEVELOPMENTS THAT'S COME BEFORE US THAT REALLY ADDRESSES THAT AND TAKES ADVANTAGE OF A SITE THAT IS CALLING OUT FOR IT.

SO I APPLAUD, UM, THE APPLICANT HAVE PUTTING TOGETHER A PROPOSAL LIKE THIS THAT IS RESPONSIVE TO THE SENSITIVE NATURE OF THE SITE AND THINKING ABOUT HOW TO CREATE SOMETHING UNIQUE HERE USING, UH, YOU KNOW, CLUSTERING OF RESIDENTIAL AS OPPOSED TO JUST SPREADING IT OUT.

UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU HEARD SOME OF MY COMMENTS AND JUST NOT COMMENTS, BUT SUGGESTIONS, BUT I, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE CENTRAL GREEN, I THINK THAT'S A PRECIOUS LITTLE PIECE OF THIS.

AND TO, AND I AGREE THAT IF IT BE, IF IT GETS OVERTAKEN BY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, IT COULD GO THE WRONG WAY.

SO, AND EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE I MADE, I MADE THE OBSERVATION OF YOU COULD GET THE RID OF THE ROAD ON ONE SIDE, YOU, YOU ACTUALLY CREATE MORE GREEN SPACE THERE AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, CAN FIGURE OUT HOW YOU ACCESS THE LOTS WITHOUT A BRING, WITHOUT AFFECTING THAT.

SO I THINK I, I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO EXPLORE THAT.

UM, AGAIN, I THINK WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS TONIGHT IS THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE, THE NORTH EDGE.

THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING THOSE TREES AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH SETBACK THERE, THAT YOU'RE NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING TO, UM, IMPEDE THEM.

I'M, I'M HEARING FROM THE NEIGHBORS, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE TREES, MORE BUFFER.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND KIND OF WORK OUT SOMETHING THAT MEETS THEIR REQUIREMENTS.

I WAS HEARING POSITIVE COMMENTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL.

SO TO ME, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A OPPORTUNITY TO JUST WORK THINGS OUT THERE IF THAT'S THE CONTENTIOUS, UM, EDGE.

UM, I DO WANT TO JUST ADD ONE OTHER COMMENT ABOUT THE FRONTAGE ON BRIGHT ROAD.

I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THE EVERGREENS AND THE TREES THERE.

YOU KNOW, BRIGHT ROAD IS ABOUT FRONT BUILDINGS FRONTING TO IT.

AND I WOULD HOPE THAT AS YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS ON THOSE LOTS, HOWEVER YOU CAN FIGURE THE GARAGES OR WHATEVER, THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE FRONTING ONTO FRONT ROAD, BRIGHT ROAD AND THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, DISENGAGING FROM IT.

'CAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY.

SO AGAIN, UH, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF EVERYTHING UP HERE.

UM, AND THE ARCHITECTURE JONES, I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA DO .

IT'S GONNA, THE ARCHITECTURE'S GONNA BE FANTASTIC AND I, I THINK THIS WHOLE NOTION OF PULLING THE BUILDINGS TO THE STREET, CREATING KIND OF AN URBAN DESIGN KIND OF FEEL TO THE DEVELOPMENT COULD JUST BE SPECTACULAR.

SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE.

THANK YOU, MR. WAYNE.

MS. HARDER, THANK YOU.

UM, I'M IN SUPPORTIVE OF THE PRO OF THE PROJECT ALSO.

UM, SO GLAD THAT YOU'VE MET WITH THE EAST DUBLIN CIVIC ASSOCIATION.

I THINK THAT'S IMPERATIVE.

UM, AND IT IS A BEAUTIFUL AREA AND I ALSO LIKE THE DESIGN OF IT.

NOW I'LL GET BACK TO MY QUESTIONS HERE, BUT, AND A LOT HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, BUT THE CONNECTING THAT YOU HAVE GOING ON ALL THE WAY TO BRIDGE STREET, PEOPLE ARE GONNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IN THAT BEAUTIFUL WALK THAT THEY CAN.

UH, IT'S NOT GONNA FEEL LIKE AN ISLAND.

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UM, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME, JUST TO ADD TOO, IS THE FRONTAGE OF IT.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN, UM, BRIGHT ROAD, YOU REALLY GET THE FEEL OF OF UM, ALL THE TREES THAT ARE THERE AND THE FOLIAGE THAT'S THERE AND JUST TO KEEP THAT LOOK KIND OF GOING ALONG THERE.

EVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, I NOTICED THE, THE BROWN FENCING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BRINGING THINGS OF THAT BACK, I'M SURE KIND OF WOULD, UM, KIND OF BRING ALL THAT TOGETHER.

BUT, UM, I DO THINK THAT THE OPEN SPACE IS IMPORTANT.

THAT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT IN THE IN CENTER THERE, YOU KNOW, THE CREEKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BE CREATIVE ABOUT THAT.

THE WALKING PATH, MAKING SURE THINGS ARE CONNECTED AND AGAIN, EMPHASIZING THE LANDSCAPING.

I THINK YOU ARE OPENING A DOOR THAT HASN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE, WHERE, WHERE YOU USE LANDSCAPING AND ARCHITECTURE AND THAT IS ALSO YOUR OUTDOOR LIVING THAT YOU CAN BE DOING THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE YEAR THAT WAY.

UM, AND AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEMES THAT WAS, UM, BUT UM, AGAIN, THE LANDSCAPING AND IT BEING A SURPRISE IS A GOOD THING.

THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, UM, I WILL BE BRIEF.

UM, DUBLIN IS NOTHING IF NOT PATIENT.

UH, OUR FRIENDS IN THE BRIGHT ROAD AREA HAVE SEEN APPLICATIONS COME FORWARD THAT WEREN'T WHAT WE WANTED IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

AND I AM APPRECIATIVE OF SEEING AN APPLICATION THAT IS MORE OF WHAT WE WANT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

UH, I DO ECHO SOME OF OUR NEIGHBOR'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE LOT SIZE, WHILE ECONOMICS ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THAT IS YOUR REALITY.

I WOULD LOOK TO SEE IF THERE IS OPPORTUNITY IN THE CENTER SECTION WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PROGRAM.

I THINK IT'S FIVE, UM, 17, 18, 19 AND 20.

AND THEN ACROSS THE BACK IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR LOT DELETION THERE, ESPECIALLY AS YOU'RE ENTERTAINING THE WAY THAT YOU ARE PULLING THOSE, THOSE HOMES FORWARD, IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE, I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT TRYING TO CRAM EVERYTHING YOU POSSIBLY COULD IN, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME, UM, RECONFIGURATION THERE.

I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PRODUCT.

I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT WHAT WE SEE EVERY DAY.

AND FOR THAT WE THANK YOU.

SO, UH, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT YOU ARE SEEKING CLARIFICATION ON? THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN.

WE DO VOTE ON CONCEPT PLANS.

UH, NO MA'AM.

THOSE ARE ALL GREAT COMMENTS.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE CAME HERE FOR, TO GET FREE ADVICE FROM SEVEN SMART PEOPLE.

SO THANK YOU MR. SMART PEOPLE.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THOSE COMMENTS ARE ALL, ALL, UH, TAKEN UNDER ADVISEMENT AND WE ONTO THE NEXT STEP.

THANK YOU CAN INCORPORATE THOSE.

NOW, MR. BOGGS, WE DO TYPICALLY VOTE ON CONCEPT PLANS, HOWEVER, I DO NOT HAVE A MOTION ON MY AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.

THOSE ARE FOR BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CONCEPT PLANS.

UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD.

SO WITH THAT, UH, WE WILL TREAT THIS AS INFORMAL FEEDBACK AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO A FUTURE APPLICATION FOR THIS PARCEL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

FOUR, WE DO HAVE A COMMISSION MEMBER WHO WILL RECUSE HIMSELF.

ALRIGHT, OUR CASE NUMBER

[ Case #24-054FDP]

SO WE WILL GIVE A MOMENT FOR SOME TRANSITION TIME BEFORE MOVING ON TO CASE 24 DASH FIVE FOUR FDP FOR LIGHTBRIDGE ACADEMY.

ALL RIGHT.

WERE HERE IN MARCH THAT ARE NOT WITH US.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

UH, THIS CASE 24 DASH 0 5 4 FTP IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A DAYCARE WITH ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

THE 1.68 ACRE SITE IS ZONED PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THE CORNERS, AND IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 270 FEET WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF FRANCE ROAD AND BLAZER PARKWAY.

AND I WILL TURN THE TIME OVER TO OUR APPLICANT FOR CASE PRESENTATION.

MADAM CHAIR.

I'LL TRY IT THAT WAY.

THANK YOU MR. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS PAUL GADI, UH, 180 5 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET, DUBLIN, OHIO.

UH, THE EXCITING THING ABOUT BEING HERE TONIGHT IS THAT IT'S ONLY BEEN THREE MONTHS SINCE OUR INFORMAL, AND SO OUR MEMORY SHOULD BE FAIRLY FRESH.

AND I TOOK GREAT NOTES FROM THE MARCH MEETING.

SO I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS.

HAVING SAID THAT, WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF, OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT

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GARY OBVIOUSLY RECUSED HIMSELF.

JASON, YOU'RE NEW.

AND SO I WANNA GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND WHERE I NORMALLY JUMP RIGHT INTO IT.

AND FOR THE REST OF YOU, YOU MIGHT BE A LITTLE BORED WITH THIS 'CAUSE YOU HEARD IT THREE MONTHS AGO, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE VALUABLE.

SO, UM, AT THE INFORMAL ON MARCH 7TH, UM, WE WERE GIVEN, I THOUGHT, REALLY CLEAR DIRECTION ON A NUMBER OF ITEMS SPECIFICALLY.

UH, I THINK GENERALLY THE GROUP FELT LIKE OUR MATERIALS WERE A LITTLE DARK, THAT THE WEST ELEVATION OF THE DAYCARE DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF FENESTRATION AS THE SOUTH ELEVATION.

UH, THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR US TO ENHANCE OUR BLAZER ROAD FRONTAGE, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT OUR MAIN ENTRY.

THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR US TO DO THAT.

AND THERE WAS A CONCERN, I THINK IT WAS YOU, MR. WAY, THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE WAY THE PARKING LOT WAS CONFIGURED AND THERE WAS A DEAD END COMPONENT TO THE PARKING LOT.

SO I THINK IN, IN, UM, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED, SORRY, CARTER BEAN IS, UH, THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT AND ACTUALLY FOR THE ENTIRE CORONER'S DEVELOPMENT.

HE'S WITH ME HERE TONIGHT.

EMH AND T IS THE CIVIL ENGINEER.

THEY'RE NOT WITH ME 'CAUSE I'M, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE ANY CIVIL ENGINEERING QUESTIONS, BUT IF WE DO, CARTER PROBABLY COULD ANSWER THOSE.

SO, UM, IF I EVEN GO BACK A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY AGAIN, JASON, THIS IS MOSTLY FOR YOUR BENEFIT.

UM, WHEN WE GOT INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT, THE CORONERS, UM, IT WAS AT THE, AT REALLY, UM, THERE WAS AN RFP THAT THE CITY KICKED OUT IN 2018.

AND THIS WAS 11 ACRES THAT WAS LEFT OVER FROM WHAT WAS FORMALLY THE CARDINAL HEALTH PARKING LOT TO OUR WEST.

AND YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE POND GOT MOVED FROM THE ROAD FRONTAGE, IT GOT MOVED BACK TO THE WEST.

THE DIRECTIVE THAT WE GOT AT THAT TIME WAS TO FOLLOW THE DUBLIN COMMUNITY AREA PLAN, THE DCAP UPDATE FROM 2018.

AND IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, THE 2018 DCAP AMENDMENT MODIFICATION UPDATE, UH, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE PROVIDE FOR, UM, RETAIL AND OTHER ANCILLARY SERVICES THAT WOULD SUPPORT BOTH NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN GENERAL.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL THAT WAS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO US.

AND, AND ACTUALLY THE, THE DCAP PLAN ITSELF LAID OUT ALMOST EXACTLY WHAT WE DID WITH ONE MAJOR EXCEPTION.

THE DCAP PLAN CONTEMPLATED WE COULD PUT THREE STORY WALK-UP RESIDENTIAL TO THE BACK.

AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT WAS, UM, IT WAS ENCOURAGED DURING OUR PROCESS, OUR DESIGN PROCESS TO, TO GET RID OF THE APARTMENTS.

AND WE DID.

UM, I WILL ALSO SAY WE SPENT TWO AND A HALF YEARS IN MEETINGS ALMOST WEEKLY WITH THE STAFF, BOTH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLANNING STAFF, UH, ENGINEERING STAFF.

AND WE ALL MADE A MISTAKE WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR TEXT, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE TEXT FOR THE VARIOUS SUB AREAS.

AND WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS, UH, THIS DAYCARE IS IN SUB AREA B THREE, WHAT WE, WHAT WE FAILED TO DO WAS PULL FORWARD THE, SO PART OF THE ZONING, THE SUBURBAN OFFICE.

SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ISSUES AND WHY WE CAME BACK FOR THE INFORMAL, UH, IN MARCH WAS TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE OUR ZONING TECHS WILL NEED TO GET MODIFIED TO REFLECT THAT WE CAN DO DAYCARE.

WELL, DAYCARE IS A VERY OBVIOUS SUPPORT FOR OFFICE AND RESIDENTIAL AND CLOSE PROXIMITY.

IT WAS AN OMISSION THAT WE ALL MADE.

AND IT'S AMAZING THAT WE MADE THIS OMISSION WITH SO MANY MEETINGS WITH THE STAFF PRIOR TO THAT MARCH INFORMAL MEETING, UM, BOTH CLAUDIA HUECK, WHO WAS THE PLANNING LEAD ON THIS NOW WITH POWELL, UH, AND, UM, COLLEEN GILBERT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LEAD ON THIS BOTH, UH, SHE'S NOW WITH OHIO STATE, BOTH WHO WORKED ACTIVELY ON THIS PROJECT, BOTH SENT LETTERS, I BELIEVE TO ZACH AND CONFIRMED THAT YEAH, IT WAS AN OMISSION WE SHOULD HAVE HAD SO, AND HAVE DAYCARE INCLUDED IN B THREE.

SO THAT WAS A MISTAKE THAT WE MADE.

BUT THAT WAS AGAIN, WHY WE CAME BACK TO YOU IN MARCH.

NOT FOR A FINAL, BUT FOR AN INFORMAL.

UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO MENTION, UH, AND I AND I WILL FOLLOW THE, THE APPROPRIATE PROCEDURE.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, LIGHTBRIDGE ITSELF, THE, THE FRANCHISOR IS A FAIRLY LARGE NATIONAL, UH, DAYCARE OPERATOR KIND OF EAST TO THE MISSISSIPPI FROM HERE EAST, UM, TO THE EAST COAST.

AND, UM, WHAT'S EXCITING ABOUT THIS, THEY'VE IDENTIFIED A HUSBAND AND WIFE TEAM THAT WILL BE THE OPERATORS.

THEY'RE A CENTRAL OHIO HUSBAND AND WIFE.

HE'S IN THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY TODAY.

HE'LL BE RETIRING FROM THAT TO OPERATE THE DAYCARE.

AND HIS WIFE IS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TEACHER AND THE TWO OF THEM WILL BE THE TEAM OPERATING THIS SPECIFIC DAYCARE AT THE CORONERS.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOME OF THE BACKGROUND I WANTED TO GIVE.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. GADI.

WE WILL HANDLE QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICATION JOINTLY FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.

SO MR. SEL, I'LL TURN SOME TIME OVER TO YOU.

GREAT, THANK YOU AGAIN.

SO THIS IS A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, BEING REVIEWED TONIGHT.

SO THERE IS

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A DETERMINATION MADE ON THIS APPLICATION, UM, AS STATED AND INFORMAL WAS BEFORE THE COMMISSION A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

UM, AND THAT WAS LARGELY BASED ON, UH, THE USE OF THE SITE, WHICH I'LL GET INTO IN JUST A MOMENT.

BUT THE, UH, THIS SITE IS 1.68 ACRES IN SIZE AND LOCATED WITHIN THE CORNER'S DEVELOPMENT, SPECIFICALLY SUB AREA B THREE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SITE CURRENTLY IS VACANT, UM, WITH THE DRIVE AISLE, WHICH SERVICES THE SITE, UH, GOING THROUGH, UH, FROM THE NORTH OF, UH, TOWARDS BLAZER PARKWAY.

SO BACK IN MARCH, THIS WAS AN INFORMAL REVIEW AND THE, THE PRIMARY GOAL OF THAT MEETING WAS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT DAYCARE WOULD BE SUPPORTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S CURRENTLY NOT A, UH, USE THAT'S PERMITTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.

UM, SO A MAJOR FROM THAT MEETING, A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE DAYCARE USE.

UH, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE BUILDING AND, UM, OF THE SITE.

UH, SOME SPECIFICALLY WERE ABOUT BREAKING UP THE SCALE AND SIZE OF THE BUILDING, UH, PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT MORE EMPHASIS ON THE BLAZER PARKWAY FRONTAGE, BRIGHTENING THE BUILDING, THE COLOR AND THE MATERIALS, UH, ELIMINATING THE DEAD END BAY OF PARKING, WHICH IS AT THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE.

AND THEN THERE WERE ALSO SOME CONCERNS PROVIDED ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OF THE PLAYGROUND TO THE, THE PARK AND THE POND TO THE REAR OF THE SITE.

SO THE FIRST ASPECT OF THIS REQUEST IS THE TEXT MODIFICATION FOR DAYCARE, UH, SHOWN THE SCREEN IS THE SUB AREA PLAN, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT B THREE IS WHERE THIS APPLICATION'S LOCATED.

THIS WILL BE THE ONLY BUILDING BUILT WITHIN SUB AREA B THREE.

SO THIS TEXT MODIFICATION IS SPECIFIC TO THIS SUB AREA.

UM, CURRENTLY THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT STATES THAT ONLY ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE USES ARE PERMITTED AS LISTED IN THE SUBURBAN OFFICE DISTRICT.

UH, DAYCARE IS CURRENTLY LISTED AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE SUBURBAN OFFICE DISTRICT.

SO THIS TEXT WOULD INCORPORATE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY LISTED IN SUBURBAN OFFICE.

UH, AND THOSE ARE USE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD ADDRESS PLAY EQUIPMENT, FENCING, SCREENING, UM, A LOT OF THINGS REGARDING THE SAFETY AND SCREENING OF ANY OUTDOOR AMENITY SPACE.

UM, FOR TEXT MODIFICATIONS, THE CRITERIA THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MET FOR THIS IS LISTED AT THE BOTTOM AND IT IS CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE CHANGE IN USE DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY ALTER THE LIST OF PERMANENT USES A CAUSE AND INAPPROPRIATE INCREASE IN DENSITY OR CAUSE INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

THE SITE PLAN, UH, IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS SHOWN BEFORE.

THERE WERE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE PARKING, UH, THAT DEAD END BAY THAT WAS IN THE SOUTH SIDE HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED AND THEY'RE SHOWING THOSE SPACES BEING RECOUPED WITH SOME SPARED, UH, SORRY, SHARED, UH, PARKING SPACES, WHICH ARE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND OF THE SCREEN.

THOSE ARE EXISTING SPACES WITH THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER.

SO THIS BUILDING IS 12,571 SQUARE FEET WITH 6,492 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR RECREATION SPACE, WHICH IS LOCATED, UH, TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE BUILDING.

UH, SO THE LOT COVERAGE IS CALCULATED BASED ON THE ENTIRETY OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN SUB AREA B, NOT JUST THIS LOT, WHICH COMES OUT TO 51.7%.

ALL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING MET WITH THIS PROPOSAL.

A FEW ITEMS TO TOUCH ON.

UH, FOR THIS, THIS REQUEST TONIGHT, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING A, UH, SMALL STU FOR A SIDEWALK, WHICH DEAD ENDS INTO A PARKING SPACE.

WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT BE REMOVED, UM, AS THERE REALLY IS NO, NO NEED FOR THAT.

UH, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING EXCEEDS WHAT CODE CURRENTLY ALLOWS FOR, UH, SO IN THIS SUB AREA, 12,000 SQUARE FEET IS CURRENTLY PERMITTED, BUT IT DOES GIVE PLANNING COMMISSION THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE A LARGER BUILDING.

UH, SO I WOULD LOOK TO THE APPLICANT TO EXPLAIN THAT MORE IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT.

AND THEN AGAIN, THE 58 SPACE PARKING SPACES WITH THE FIVE SHARED MEETS THOSE REQUIREMENTS, STAFF DOES HAVE A CONDITION ABOUT THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE FOR THE PLAY AREA BEING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR FEET.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE A DETAIL OF THAT YET.

SO THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED TO STAFF FOLLOWING THIS.

UH, AND THEN THE FINAL CONDITION REGARDING THE SITE IS THE SITE CIRCULATION FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

UH, SO THERE'S SOME CONTINUAL WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE FIRE MARSHAL, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SITE IS GONNA BE ABLE TO BE SERVICED ADEQUATELY.

SO CONDITION, JUST TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH, UH, STAFF, SPECIFICALLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REGARDING SITE ACCESS HERE.

UH, SOME OF THE UPDATES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE FROM THE PREVIOUS INFORMAL REVIEW, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE COLOR PALETTE HAS CHANGED AND HAS BEEN BRIGHTENED UP.

UH, THE HYPHEN BETWEEN THE TWO LARGER PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING HAS BEEN REDUCED TO TRY AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE MASSING, UH, CONCERNS PRIOR.

AND THEN THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE STONE THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING ALSO IS INTENDED TO HELP BREAK UP,

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UH, THE FACADE.

THERE HAVE BEEN IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL TO THE WINDOWS AND THE DETAILING FOR THOSE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN SIMPLIFIED FROM WHAT WAS SHOWN BEFORE.

UH, WE DID HAVE A CONDITION REGARDING THE PLAY EQUIPMENT, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT MATCHES OR IS COMPLIMENTARY OF THE, UH, ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING.

THE FINAL ITEM TO POINT OUT IS THE PROJECTING SIGN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

UM, SO PER THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, THE SCIENCE HERE OPERATE MORE AS A MASTER SIGN PLAN.

SO IF THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.

IN THIS CASE, THE PROJECTING SIGN IS SHORTER THAN WHAT IS, UH, CALLED FOR IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT DEVELOPMENT TEXT CALLS FOR EIGHT FEET FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN TO GRADE.

THEY'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING SEVEN.

UH, THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT REQUIREMENT IS WHEN THEY'RE EXTENDING OVER SIDEWALK THAT YOU'RE NOT HAVING ANY CONFLICTS, UH, WITH ANY PEDESTRIANS.

BUT THIS IS NOT LOCATED OVER SIDEWALK, IT'S OVER LANDSCAPING.

UH, SO WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, THIS CHANGE WITH THAT.

THERE ARE TWO REQUESTS FOR MINOR TEXT MODIFICATIONS.

UH, ONE IS TO PERMIT THE USE.

AND THEN THE OTHER IS REGARDING, UH, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

THEY'RE TIED TOGETHER.

UM, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THESE AND ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THESE REQUESTS BASED ON THE PREVIOUS FEEDBACK FROM UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT ALSO JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THE INTENT OF THIS WAS, WAS TO BE, UH, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER WITH A MIX OF USES THAT COMPLIMENTS THE, THE OFFICE COMPONENT IN THIS, UH, DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA.

AND STAFF HAS ALSO REVIEWED THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN CRITERIA AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE TWO TEXT MODIFICATIONS AND THEN APPROVAL OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE FIVE CONDITIONS ON THE SCREEN.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

MR. HEL, UH, WE WILL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS NOW FROM THE COMMISSION FOR STAFF AND FOR THE APPLICANT, MS. HARDER, UH, YES.

UM, MR. WAY ALSO MENTIONED LAST TIME HIS CONCERN ABOUT THE WATER AND BEING CLOSE, UM, TO THAT AREA.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

HAVE YOU REACHED OUT OR ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, IN, IN THIS CONVERSATION, OR IF THERE'S ANY, UM, SAFETY, UM, OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY? LIKE A LITTLE BOX OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE SOMETHING AVAILABLE IF EVER NEEDED? UM, I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS CONCERN? I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD ONE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.

AND THEN SECOND, ARE THERE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THAT? THANK YOU.

UH, SO REGARDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, A LOT OF THEIR CONCERNS ARE BASED ON GETTING A FIRETRUCK INTO THE SITE.

UM, THEY ARE, WE'VE MADE SURE TO TRANSLATE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, THE OUTDOOR RECREATION AREA THAT ARE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.

UM, AND THEY ARE MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

SO AS STAFF, WE'RE NOT CONCERNED 'CAUSE THEY ARE MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS FROM A FIRE STANDPOINT RIGHT NOW, THEIR CONCERN IS JUST ACCESSING THE BUILDING AND, AND DOING THAT ADEQUATELY.

OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHIN? UM, JUST A COUPLE POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.

THE, UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS BROUGHT UP IS THE ENTRY.

UM, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING THE, THE CONCERNS FROM, FROM THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THE, JUST TO CONFIRM, IT DIDN'T SAY SPECIFIC ELEVATIONS, THE, UH, HVAC SCREENING, THE UNIT SCREENING, IS THAT TO OPAQUE SCREENING OR IS THERE, I MEAN, ARE THEY IT WASN'T CAUGHT OUT SPECIFICALLY.

IT, IT'S NOT.

I'M CARTER BEAN BEAN ARCHITECTS, 4,400 NORTH HIGH STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO, 4 3 2 1 4.

UH, IT'S NOT ENTIRELY OPAQUE, BUT MOSTLY OPAQUE.

AND THE REASON I SAY THAT, AND YOU CAN SEE IT ACTUALLY IN THIS VIEW, UH, THE TOP VIEW MIDDLE, UH, WE'RE MIMICKING THE CROSSRAIL FENCE THAT WE'RE USING AT THE NORTH AND SOUTH CORNERS OF THE BUILDING.

HOWEVER, WE'RE ALSO INFILLING WITH SOME VERTICAL BOARDS WITH A TINY BIT OF SPACE BETWEEN JUST FOR BREATHABILITY.

SO.

UH, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO REALLY FOCUS TO SEE THROUGH THOSE.

IT'S, IT'S MOSTLY SOLID.

AND THEN WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE, THE, UH, THE, UH, PT ONE COLOR.

ABOUT EVERYTHING BEING SO MONOTONE IN THAT BROWN COLOR.

UM, I'M SURE YOU SAW THIS ONE COME.

WHAT WAS THE, I GUESS TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT FOR A MOMENT? I MEAN, I KNOW WE ALL, WE ALL RECOMMENDED IT WAS A VERY DARK BUILDING, BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE THAT GOING TO THE BLUE COLOR, I, I ASSUME THE RENDERINGS, IT'S ACCURATELY DEPICTED HERE THAT IT'S VERY BLUE.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IN DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS, I MEAN, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY RIGHT COLOR LIKE THIS, RIGHT? CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THAT? SURE.

CHOICE.

UH, INITIALLY WHEN WE BROUGHT THE FIRST THREE BUILDINGS THROUGH, AND THEN, UM, AFTER THAT, THE, THE FOURTH BUILDING, THERE WAS A BIT OF CONCERN

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AND THERE WERE SOME SUGGESTIONS ACTUALLY TO DIFFERENTIATE THE VARIOUS BUILDINGS WITH COLOR IN THAT FIRST PASS OF THE THREE BUILDINGS.

UM, OUR EXPLANATION AT THE TIME WAS WE WOULD BRING ADDITIONAL COLOR IN WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.

IT REALLY IS UNFORTUNATE THAT BETWEEN THAT SCREEN AND THAT SCREEN AND PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, HOW THAT COLOR IS RENDERING IT IS, IT IS NOT NEARLY AS OBNOXIOUS AS AS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON YOUR SCREENS.

AND I WISH I WOULD'VE BROUGHT YOU, YOU KNOW, A SAMPLE.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A RICH BLUE COLOR.

UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD IT A LITTLE BIT BRIGHTER WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT IT BACK TO STAFF AND WE WERE ASKED TO TONE IT DOWN BY DARKENING IT.

UM, I, I THINK YOU'LL BE HAPPY WITH IT.

AND I DO LAMENT NOT BRINGING A PHYSICAL SAMPLE TONIGHT.

THEN ONE FINAL QUESTION.

I KNOW WE, WE, UM, AND I LOOKED BACK AT THE NOTES, I COULDN'T SEE THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.

YES, SIR.

UM, I KNOW THERE'S NOT A REALLY GREAT SPOT FOR IT ON THE SITE.

UM, THE CONSIDERATION FOR WHERE IT'S LOCATED IS VERY CLOSE TO THE ENTRY.

AND I APOLOGIZE.

DO I GUESS THE FIRST, DO WE ADDRESS THIS LAST MEANING ASK THAT QUESTION, THE LOCATION OF THE DUMPSTER, THE LOCATION OF THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE? I BELIEVE IT WAS DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT.

SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

THERE'S NO OTHER BETTER SPOT FOR IT.

BASICALLY.

WE'RE HAPPY WITH THAT LOCATION AND TRUTH BE TOLD, IT, IT TAKES IT AWAY FROM THE CITY'S PARK AS BEST IT IT CAN AS WELL.

MM-HMM, THANKS.

MR. DESLER, OBVIOUSLY I'M COMING INTO THIS COLD.

UM, REAL QUICK, THIS IS, I'LL HAVE A, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT ZACH, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.

YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE, THE BUILDING BEING, UH, LARGER OR THE PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE LARGER THAN WHAT THE CITY IS RECOMMENDING OR WANTS IN THAT AREA.

I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDER UNDERSTANDING YOUR POSITION.

SO IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, IT WAS WRITTEN IN THAT THERE ARE MAXIMUM BUILDING SIZES IN TERMS OF FOOTPRINT, UM, FOR THIS SPECIFIC SUB AREA, IT WAS, IT'S WRITTEN IN AS A REQUIREMENT THAT 12,000 SQUARE FEET IS THE MAXIMUM.

UM, BUT THERE IS A CAVEAT IN IT THAT SAYS THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN'T APPROVE A LARGER BUILDING, BUT IT IS ENTIRELY UP TO THE COMMISSION'S DISCRETION TO DO SO.

UM, USUALLY THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF REASONING AND IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, MAKE THE, THE DEVELOPMENT MORE HIGH QUALITY AND, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A A REASON FOR THAT.

DO WE, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE, AND I'M SORRY, I OBVIOUSLY COMING THIS BEHIND, WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE PROPOSED? WE KNOW THEY'RE OVER BY ABOUT 571 SQUARE FEET.

AND THEN MR. DESLER, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WAS ESSENTIALLY MAKING IT KIND OF LOOK LIKE TWO BUILDINGS WITH THE STEP DOWN IN BETWEEN.

AND SO IT SOMEWHAT ELONGATED AND MANIPULATED THE BUILDING ITSELF BASED ON SOME OTHER CRITERIA.

YEAH, I'M GOOD.

I I FIGURED THERE WAS PROBABLY SOME DISCUSSION, SO THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

UM, SO IS IT FAIR TO ASSUME, AND I I DON'T KNOW THE PRACTICES OF EVERY DAYCARE, BUT IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE THE PARENT, ESPECIALLY FOR CHILDREN OVER, I DON'T KNOW, SIX OR SEVEN IS REQUIRED TO CHECK IN THE CHILD? IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? THAT'S EXACT EXACTLY HOW IT WORKS.

IS IT REGARDLESS OF AGE, THE PARENT HAS TO CHECK IN THE CHILD? YES.

SO THERE'S NO SITUATION WHERE THE CHILD CAN CHECK THEMSELVES IN AND OUT? THAT IS CORRECT.

ARE YOU CONCERNED WITH, AND JUST LOOKING AT THE LOCATION, UM, AND I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, THE PARKING AND WHATNOT, BUT IS THE ONLY PLACE, IS THE ONLY ENTRY, JUST THE ONE THAT IS, I'M GONNA TRY TO THINK OF THE, THE DIRECTIONAL, UM, THE ONE RIGHT OFF THAT PARKING LOT? CORRECT.

IS THERE, WAS THERE DISCUSSION, UM, AGAIN, I'M SORRY, OF LIKE PEOPLE PARKING AND KIND OF NOT GOING IN THE LOT AND KIND OF PARKING ON THE ROAD AND RUNNING THEIR KID IN, WAS THAT DISCUSSED? SO CAN YOU GO THROUGH SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COURT COURT PUSH SHARE? I'M GLAD YOU ACTUALLY BROUGHT THAT UP.

AND IT, AND IT, AND IT SPEAKS TO ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT STAFF HAS IN THE REPORT, WHICH IS, UM, NOT LIKING THE REDUNDANT SIDEWALK THAT'S ALONG THE EAST EDGE PARALLEL WITH THE ACCESS DRIVE.

THE REASON WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN THAT WALK IS THAT THOSE SPACES SOUTH OF THE HANDICAP SPACES AND THE SPACES THAT RUN ALONG THE NORTH EDGE OF THE PARKING LOT ARE DESIGNATED AS THE PICKUP AND DROP OFF SPACES.

UH, SO PARENTS WOULD LIKE TO, AND THE OPERATORS WOULD LIKE FOR THE PARENTS TO UNLOAD IMMEDIATELY GET TO A SIDEWALK AND NAVIGATE TO THE FRONT DOOR FROM THOSE TWO PATHS RATHER THAN WALK THROUGH THE DRIVE AISLES OF THE PARKING LOT.

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YEAH, I GET IT.

I AM JUST, IT'S JUST SEEING IT, THERE'S, IT FEELS LIKE, AND MY GOAL WOULD BE HERE IN THIS SITUATION, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREET AND RUNNING THEIR KID IN.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

THAT'S ONE.

TWO, WE DON'T WANT SITUATIONS WHERE MOM OR DAD ARE DROPPING OFF, YOU KNOW, TAKING MORE THAN ONE CHILD IN WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN SOME SEMBLANCE OF ORGANIZATION WALKING THROUGH KIND OF THAT CENTER PARKING LOT IF, IF THOSE AREAS ARE FILLED.

UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE, THE HANDICAP ASPECT AS WELL.

I, I, I GUESS AT THIS POINT IT MAY JUST BE REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT JUST ON THE DESIGN OF THE AREA.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER, SO THANKS.

THANK YOU MR. DESLER.

UH, TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE INTENT WAS FOR THE SIDEWALK STUB? SO THE ONE THAT STAFF CALLED OUT AS DELETED? ZACH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA BRING THAT UP.

OH, OH, OH, TO THE PARK? YES.

IT, IT WAS TO PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, SOME PAVED ACCESS BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THE PARK.

UH, SECOND VERY QUICK QUESTION.

I, I NOTICED THE FOUR TREES IN THE CORNERS.

ARE YOU ANTICIPATING SNOW PUSHING INTO ONE OF THE PARKING STALLS OR TO ONE OF THE TREATS? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH SNOW PUSHING OHIO IS FOUR SEASONS.

AND SO IT, IT, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

AS I MENTIONED, WE DIDN'T BRING OUR ENGINEER TONIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I CAN TELL YOU HOWEVER, THAT WE TRIED TO MAXIMIZE THE PARKING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE SATISFYING THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, WE'RE PUSHING SOME OF THAT PARKING INTO A SHARED CIRCUMSTANCE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER ON SITE.

WE ARE STILL FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE DAYCARE NEEDS.

SO THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF PARKED AREA TO PUSH SNOW .

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

AND THE OTHER THING I THINK IT MIGHT BE WORTH MENTIONING IS THIS IS A LEASE.

WE WILL OWN IT.

WE ALSO OWN THE SISTER BUILDING, NOT SISTER BUILDINGS, THE RETAIL BUILDINGS TO THE SOUTH.

WE'LL HAVE ONE SNOW REMOVAL COMPANY DOING EV ALL 11 ACRES.

SO ONE WOULD PRESUME THAT THEY WOULD GET THE SNOW REMOVED TO A LOCATION THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

BUT IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DAYCARE USER PUSHING THEIR SNOW DOWN INTO THE STARBUCKS PARKING LOT.

IT'S ONE.

THANK YOU MR. SNOW HERE.

MR. DESLER, DID YOU THINK OF ANOTHER QUESTION? YEAH, I'M SORRY.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

I, I, UM, I'M, I'M SEEING A, AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THIS WAS DISCUSSED AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN DELETED, BUT THIS HAD, WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THIS A FEW DAYS AGO, THAT THERE'S A BIKE RACK THERE.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT, WHAT'S THE INTENT, THE INTENT FOR THE, THE BIKE? WHAT, LIKE, HOW DO YOU FORESEE THAT PLAYING OUT? SURE.

BESIDES IT BEING A REQUIREMENT.

UH, YOU COULD HAVE A STAFF MEMBER THAT LIVES NEARBY IN, IN DUBLIN THAT COULD POTENTIALLY RIDE THEIR BIKE TO WORK AND PARK THEIR BIKE THERE.

IS THERE A, IS THERE A BIKE RACK AREA ON THE PARK THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT? I WOULD IMAGINE SO, YES.

I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF, UH, I GUESS THAT A TEACHER COULD, COULD RIDE THEIR BIKE OR A, UH, AN AIDE.

UM, OKAY.

I JUST FOUND A LITTLE OBSCURE IF THE 'CAUSE THE CHILD CAN'T, SO.

I GET IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR, WE, I HAVE ONE VERY MINOR QUESTION.

UM, THE ISLAND THAT'S IN THE PARKING LOT, UHHUH, YOU DON'T SHOW ANY LANDSCAPE ALONG THE, IS IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WIDE ENOUGH THAT YOU COULD GET A ROW OF EVERGREEN SHRUBS OR SOMETHING IN THERE.

IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T PUT ANYTHING THERE? CAN WE GO TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAINS AT PLAIN, ZACH? IF, IF THERE AREN'T ANY SHOWN, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD SOME, SOME PLANT I I'M YOU'RE DRIVING IN.

AND, AND I ASSUME THAT THAT'S, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S PAVED OR NOT.

NOT NO, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE, THIS IS INTENDED TO BE GREEN SPACE.

YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT CARS .

SO, NO, I AGREE.

WE, WE SHOULD SCREEN THAT IN SOME WAY.

PROBABLY A MORE SAFE CONDITION THAN THE PARK THAT'S IMMEDIATELY TO OUR SOUTH.

UM, WHILE WE ARE ON THE SUBJECT OF, OF LANDSCAPING AND, AND WHATNOT, THE STIPULATION OF THE FOREFOOT FENCE IS SOMETHING THAT I'D, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE INCREASE A BIT.

UM, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION BOTH IN OUR INITIAL MEETING AND, AND TONIGHT ABOUT THE SECURITY OF, OF CHILDREN GETTING OUT AND MAYBE WANDERING DOWN TO THE POND.

GLOBALLY SPEAKING, UM, THIS IS

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UH, BECAUSE PARENTS MIGHT BE DISTRACTED OR TALKING AND A AND A KID MIGHT BE RUNNING AROUND IN THE PARK AND MAKE THEIR WAY DOWN THERE.

THE, THE UNSECURED PORTION OF PARENTS AND FAMILIES ACTIVITIES WHEN COMING AND GOING FROM THIS FACILITY, THE PARENTS AND, AND KIDS WILL BE TOGETHER.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING AND GOING FROM THOSE DES DESIGNATED SPACES, CHECKING IN.

UM, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN UNSAFE CONDITION IS WHEN THE KIDS ARE OUT ON THE PLAYGROUND AND FOUR FEET IS, IS NOT VERY TALL.

UM, LIGHTBRIDGE TYPICALLY HAS A SIX FOOT FENCE, UM, WHICH IS TALL.

UH, IN OTHER DAYCARES THAT I'VE WORKED ON, FIVE FEET IS, IS TYPICALLY A, A, THE NUMBER WE GO TO.

SO I'D REQUEST THAT, UM, SIX FEET WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

FIVE FEET, FOUR FEET'S UNCOMFORTABLE.

I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BRING THAT UP.

I FORGOT TO THAT ONE.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW MY CONCERN ABOUT THE POND.

, UM, AND FOUR FEET COULD BE A REALLY EXCITING CHALLENGE TO A KID.

RIGHT? .

SO I THINK SIX FEET WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS.

IT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT ITS LOCATION.

TO THE POND.

GREAT STAFF.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO CODE REQUIREMENTS, EXCEPTIONS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ALLOW FOR A SIX FOOT PENCE? SURE.

UH, WITH THIS BEING A PLANNED DISTRICT, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONDITIONED AND ADDED TO THIS.

UM, FOUR FEET IS THE, THE STANDARD HEIGHT THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

BUT WE DO HAVE PLACES BRIDGE STREET SPECIFIC, WHERE WE DO CONSIDER SOME TALLER FENCES IN SOME LOCATIONS.

UM, IT REALLY IS JUST DEPENDENT ON THE LOCATION AND THE SITUATION.

SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE COMFORTABLE, UH, CHANGING, WE CAN CHANGE THAT CONDITION TO WHATEVER IT WOULD BE.

CAN YOU TELL US SOME EXAMPLES WHERE WE HAVE BEFORE PERMITTED A SIX FOOT FENCE? SO I'M THINKING NEARFIELD HAS SOME SIX FOOT FENCES AROUND THEIR KIND OF UTILITY AREAS, BUT DO WE HAVE OTHER, AREN'T THERE SIX FOOT FENCES AROUND THE POOLS? NO, NO, NO.

FOUR FOOT FENCES, POOL.

MAYBE THEY WERE RESIDENTIAL 20 YEARS AGO.

SO THERE ARE, UH, THE NORTH POOL, THE DUBLIN POOL HAS A SIX FOOT FENCE AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

THE NORTH POOL DOES.

SORRY, WE'RE CONVINCING.

UM, I'D, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHERE WE'VE ALLOWED THAT.

I KNOW FOR, UM, WE HAD ANOTHER INSTITUTIONAL USE IN THE PERIMETER AREA THAT GOT A TALLER FENCE.

UM, BUT I, I COULD LOOK WHILE YOU'RE DELIBERATING AND SEE IF I COULD FIND SOMETHING.

MSRA.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE EQUITABLE, RIGHT? IF, IF SOMEONE'S COME BEFORE AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT A SIX FOOT FENCE, AND WE SAID, NOPE, IT'S NOT IN THE CODE.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE EQUITABLE ACROSS THE, THE DIFFERENT USES AND THE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.

LIKE FOR LIKE, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS WITH DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? MR. CHINO? WOULD WE ACCEPT FIVE FOOT OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE SIX? YEAH, I, I THINK SIX IS TOO HIGH FOR THE USE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I THINK FIVE FOOT FEELS BETTER.

AGAIN, I DEFER TO THE OPERATOR OF THE DAYCARE OF EXPERIENCING HOW KIDS INTERFACE WITH A FENCE.

AND IF THEY THINK FIVE FEET'S, OKAY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

BUT IF THEY SAY SIX FEET IS REALLY GOING TO BE THE STANDARD THAT WE WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO ACCEPT TO KEEP THE CHILDREN SAFE, THEN I WOULD SUPPORT THAT TOO.

SO MS. ROUSH, I CAN REMEMBER THREE SIMILAR USES SINCE, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION.

ONE WAS THE, UM, THE IVY RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF DUBLIN, GRANDVILLE AND SAWMILL.

THAT ONE HAS A SIMILAR USE.

WE ALSO HAD THE, IN KIND OF THE SAME AREA, THAT DCAP AREA.

UM, OH, THEIR PINK AND BLUE BIRD SIGN.

NEST THE NEST, YES.

AND THEN MANGOES PLACE.

MANGOES PLACE.

THAT WAS MAYBE FIVE YEARS AGO, FOUR YEAR, FOUR YEARS AGO.

BALANCED FAMILY ACADEMY AS WELL.

THE LOCATION ON PERIMETER HAS A FIVE FOOT METAL FENCE.

SO THOSE ARE REFERENCE POINTS.

SO AS WE CONTINUE ON WITH THE MEETING.

ALRIGHT, ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WHO ARE FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, WE WILL, UM, GO TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION? SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO DO DOUBLE DUTY, NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE OTHER IS AN APPROVAL OF A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH, AS I NOTED, SIX CONDITIONS.

WHEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO DELIBERATION FROM THE COMMISSION, WE ARE ASKED, UH, TO APPROVE OR TO ENTERTAIN APPROVAL OF TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. ONE IS A TE TEXT MODIFICATION TO THE CORONER'S DEVELOPMENT TEXT WITH TWO CONDITIONS.

[02:25:01]

WE HAVE FIVE PRE-PREPARED.

WE HAD THE SIX THAT CAME IN WITH THE SHRUBBERY IN THE PARKING LOT AND A POTENTIAL SEVENTH, UM, TO MODIFY THE, THE FENCE HEIGHT.

SO WE WILL DELIBERATE ON THIS ITEM.

MR. DASHER, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF THIS EVENING? SURE.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.

SO IF, UM, IS THE FENCE DETAIL IN NUMBER THREE WHERE IT SAYS DID NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET? IS THAT THE FENCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? OR ARE WE TALKING WITH THAT, THAT THAT'S THE ONE THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY MODIFIED? THAT IS THE ONE, YES.

UM, I, I THINK I NOTED MY CONCERNS.

I, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE TEXT MODIFICATIONS, UH, AS I'VE HEARD THIS EVENING AND, AND AS I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE CASE IN THE PRESENTATION.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING MORE FRONTAGE DROP OFF SPOTS, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS, UM, PROBABLY A POSSIBILITY BASED ON HOW THE, UH, THE, THE DESIGN OF THE, UH, BUILDING AND THE LAND IS, YOU KNOW, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE FIVE HERE.

I ALSO AGREE THAT I THINK FIVE FEET IN HEIGHT WOULD APPEAR BETTER, UM, JUST ON THAT AREA.

I MEAN, WHERE, WHERE KIDS I, I GUESS, AND I THINK IT, IT ALSO GONNA DEPEND ON THE FENCE DETAIL AS WELL.

I THINK IT COULD BE APPROPRIATE WITH FIVE.

UH, AND I ALSO AGREE WITH, UH, KIM'S, UH, PROPOSAL FOR THE, SOME TYPE OF SHRUBBERY BETWEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE PULLING IT ON THAT ONE MIDDLE ISLAND PORTION.

SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, THOSE ESSENTIALLY SIX CONDITIONS WITH THE UPDATE TO NUMBER THREE.

THANK YOU MR. KESLER.

MR. WE, SO, UH, AGAIN, THANKS.

I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS TO INCORPORATE OUR COMMENTS FROM LAST MEETING.

I THINK, UM, AGAIN, THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE PARKING LOT JUST SEEMS SO MUCH MORE LOGICAL.

UM, I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE'S GOTTEN MUCH BETTER.

I ACTUALLY LIKE THE BLUE.

I JUST THINK IT'S FOR DAYCARE CENTER.

JUST FEELS A LITTLE BIT HAPPIER, A LITTLE BIT MORE FUN.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN ABOUT BEING CLOSE TO THE WATER AND THE KIDS, AND I'VE BEEN DRIVING AROUND AND THERE'S A LOT OF DAYCARES THAT ARE NEXT TO BUSY ROADS AND KIDS COULD EASILY GET OUT.

AND SO I THINK THE FENCE, GETTING THE FENCE RIGHT AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE SECURE, UH, YOU KNOW, SO AGAIN, I SUPPORT, UH, THE, THE TEXT CHANGE AND ALLOWING THE, THE DAYCARE TO TAKE PLACE HERE.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE, WHAT ARE THEY SEVEN NOW? EIGHT .

I, I HAVE SIX SO FAR, BUT SIX.

THERE COULD BE A SEVENTH.

SO, SO IT'S BOTH OF THE, THE TEXT CHANGES I SUPPORT AND THEN THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU MR. BA, MS. HARDER.

GREAT.

UH, THANK YOU, UM, FOR BEING HERE AND BRINGING THIS PROJECT.

ALSO THE CHANGES, UM, WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO DO ALL THAT.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND ALL THE, UM, TEXT MODIFICATIONS AND SO FORTH.

UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE SIX FOOT FENCE.

I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT.

SOUNDS LIKE THAT IS ONE YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF.

THERE'S LANDSCAPING AND TREES GROW AND, AND QUICKLY IT'LL BE HIDDEN FROM ANYONE AND SO FORTH.

SO I THINK THAT HELPS JUST AS WELL TOO.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU MS. HARDER.

MR. CHINOOK, DO WE NEED TO COME TO CONSENSUS ON THE FENCE? WE WILL.

UM, UM, UH, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE, I KNOW WE BEAT YOU, BEAT YOU UP LAST TIME ON THIS PROPOSAL AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF, UM, INCORPORATING ALL OF OUR COMMENTS.

I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, I, I'M GONNA TRUST STAFF ON THE COLOR.

I'D LOVE TO SEE IT IN PERSON.

'CAUSE I, I DO THINK IT'S A MIGHT, IT COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT WE TRUST THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL WORK WITH STAFF ON THE, ON THE BLUE.

UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.

I'M SUPPORTIVE.

ON THAT BEFORE? I, I, I HATE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU AND I DID THINK, I DID THINK HARD ABOUT IT 'CAUSE I WAS GOING EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE GOING, WANTED TO HAVE THAT CONNECTION TO THE PARK.

BEFORE WE GET TO THE FENCE ITEM, I JUST HAVE A, A COUPLE OF ITEMS I ASKED ABOUT THE SIDEWALK STUB BECAUSE, UM, I, I LIKE CONNECTIVITY.

UH, THE WALKING ACROSS THE GRASS IS GREAT WHEN THERE'S GRASS THERE, NOT WHEN THERE'S SNOW THERE.

AND WE'VE MADE THE MISTAKE MANY TIMES, UH, THE PERIMETER LITTLE AREA WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE ON A SIDEWALK AND THEN THE SIDEWALK ENDS AND THAT'S FINE FOR TWO, MAYBE THREE SEASONS OF THE YEAR.

AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY NOT FOR THE FOURTH.

UH, SO I'M ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF A SIDEWALK STUB.

I WOULD ACTUALLY SHIFT IT DOWN TO THE, THE CORNER WHERE THE TREE IS AND KIND OF CURVE, LINEAR IT UP TO THE PATH.

AND SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE KEEP SOME TYPE OF SIDEWALK STUB, BUT WE HAVE THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF ON THE APPROPRIATE PLACEMENT TO ALLOW THAT CONNECTIVITY.

REMEMBER, ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES IS THE MOST CONNECTED CITY.

AND SO I LIKE TO SEE CONNECTION.

MR. WADE, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT

[02:30:01]

BUT WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH THE PARKING LOT TO GET THERE.

AND THERE IS A PATH FROM THE FRONT DOOR DOWN TO THE STREET, THERE'S A CROSSWALK, AND THEN YOU, ANOTHER PATH YOU CAN GET OVER THERE WITHOUT WALKING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.

I, I AGREE.

UNLESS YOU'RE PARKED IN THE PARKING LOT ANYWAY.

OH, WELL THAT'S, I'M THINKING TAKING THE KIDS OVER TO THE PARK FROM THE YEAH, I'M, I'M JUST THINKING PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT, WALKING OVER TO THE PARK.

SO, BUT IF SO, IF THERE IS THAT CONNECTION, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A PARKING SPACE, SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD SHIFT IT DOWN TO THAT CORNER OR YEAH, THAT I WOULD, I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT, BUT OKAY.

I DO LIKE NOT FORCING PEOPLE THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.

THANK YOU MR. WAY.

SIX FEET, A SIX FOOT FENCE IS GONNA, IS GONNA STAND OUT.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, I LOVE THE PLAY EQUIPMENT.

I THINK IT TURNED OUT VERY, VERY NICELY.

I LIKE THE COMPLIMENTARY NATURE, THE NATURE KIND OF INFLUENCE THERE.

AND I THINK THE, THE, UM, PUR UH, THE, THE PROJECTING SIGN LOOKS LOVELY AND SO I HAVE NO OBJECTION.

AND THE, THE SEVEN FOOT HEIGHT OVER LANDSCAPING DOESN'T CONCERN ME.

I HAVE A SIX FOOT FIVE KID AND EVEN HE WOULDN'T HIT HIS HEAD ON IT, SO I'M GOOD THERE.

ALRIGHT, SO AS I HAVE IT, WE HAVE SEVEN CONDITIONS IF WE INCLUDE THE WORK WITH STAFF TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE PARK.

UH, AND THEN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM ON NUMBER THREE.

SO STAFF, HAVE YOU, UM, LOOKED ANY RESEARCH INTO WHAT WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY? I I CAN ONLY FIND TWO OF THE FOUR THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.

SO, AND BOTH OF THOSE WERE FOUR FEET.

AGAIN, I AM SURE WE HAVE MADE ACCOMMODATIONS AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO IF THE COMMISSION IS COMFORTABLE WITH IT BEING TALLER, THAT'S DEFINITELY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW.

UM, SO CURRENTLY THE TEXT SAYS FOUR AND THAT WAS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

THE APPLICANT REQUESTS SIX, IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY.

AND, AND I WILL CLARIFY THE CODE GENERALLY OR CODIFIED ORDINANCES, SAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENTS DEVELOPMENT TEXT JUST SAYS FENCES ARE TO BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND DO NOT CALL OUT HEIGHT SPECIFICALLY.

SO THAT'S WHY WE BELIEVE THAT IT COULD BE DONE BY, UM, A CONDITION TO THE FDP APPROVAL RATHER THAN REQUIRING A TEXT AMENDMENT FOR HEIGHT ITSELF.

UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU MR. BOGS.

MR. GTI DID, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT THE DISCUSSION, BUT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST, WHAT IF WE MODIFY CONDITION THREE TO REFERENCE A HEIGHT UP TO SIX? WE, THE, THE STAFF'S GOTTA APPROVE THE DESI THE DEFENSE DETAIL.

WE COULD SAY THE HEIGHT CAN BE UP TO SIX FEET SUBJECT TO STAFF'S APPROVAL, AND THEN THEY CAN DO SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL WORK BEHIND THE SCENES AND GET YOU GUYS COMFORTABLE.

WE'LL GO, WE'LL DO FIVE, WE'D PREFER SIX.

BUT IF YOU TELL US IT'S GOT TO BE FOUR, THEN WE'LL DO FOUR.

BUT THAT'S, WE'RE BACK TO I THINK MR WAY'S COMMENTARY.

WE'D RATHER HAVE IT BE TALLER AND THE OPERATOR WOULD PREFER SIX.

IS THERE OPPORTUNITY FOR LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF THE FENCE THAT DISCOURAGES CLIMBING ON THE FENCE? IT, IT ACTUALLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AREA FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY.

SO WE ONLY HAVE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE RIGHT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS, BUT WE HAVE A LIMITED THAT, THAT'S THE IRONY OF THE WHOLE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SO MANY NATURAL THINGS.

WE'VE GOT TWO ROADS AND WE'VE GOT A, A POND.

WE, WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH AREA WHERE WE CAN REALLY MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT WORK AND HAVE IT OPERATE THE WAY IT NEEDS TO OPERATE.

GOT IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH NEST SCHOOL BY THE WAY.

JENNY IS, WE HAD LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF THE FENCE.

THAT WAS THE, THE DISCUSSION AND WE TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING DISCOURAGING.

PLANT VARIETY.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. GADI.

ALRIGHT, THE, THE ITEM ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW IS THE FOUR FOOT VERSUS FIVE FOOT VERSUS SIX FOOT STAFF.

IF I UNDERSTAND HISTORICALLY YOU'D LIKE SOME DIRECTION ON THE, HEY, HEY, IS THE COMMISSION LEANING TOWARD FOUR? IS THE COMMISSION LEANING TOWARDS SIX OR FIVE SO THAT YOU ARE NOT LEFT ON THE HOOK TO MAKE THAT CALL? IS THAT A CORRECT ANALYSIS? THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, YES.

SO COMMISSION, WE ARE CHALLENGED WITH COMING UP WITH A, HEY, ARE WE FOUR, FIVE, OR SIX? I, SO MR. CHIN, I HEARD YOU AT FIVE IS THAT WE VOTE .

WELL I CAN STRAW POLL IT.

I HEARD YOU AT FIVE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

I WOULD BE.

YOU ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH SIX.

I THINK.

I THINK SIX.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SCALE, THE BUILDING, I THINK SIX GETS PRETTY HIGH.

I THINK FIVE MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT FITS IN THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.

MR, WE I HEARD YOU AT WHAT THEY RECOMMEND BASED, I REFER TO WHAT THE OPERATOR WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TO KEEP THE KIDS SECURE.

SO YOU ARE AT SIX.

YOU'RE STILL AT FIVE? YEAH.

I THINK THAT, I THINK, I THINK THAT IT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED IN A SITUATION.

I JUST LOOKING, IF YOU'RE LOOKING OVER THE, THAT AREA,

[02:35:01]

UM, IT'S GONNA HAVE A FOUR FOOT SHRUB IN FRONT OF IT.

YOU CAN ON THE OUTSIDE YOU CAN'T HAVE THE HAVE LANDSCAPING.

YEAH, IT'S ON THE OUTSIDE, ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO IT WILL MITIGATE THE HEIGHT.

I, WELL, I'M JUST STATING MY OPINION IF, IF IT INFLUENCES, I'M ALSO AT FIVE BECAUSE WE'VE DONE FOUR BEFORE.

AND SO FIVE IS GIVE A LITTLE, UM, TAKE A LITTLE.

AND I THINK THAT THE, THE SUCCESS OF A COMPROMISE IS EVERYONE LEAVES EQUALLY UNHAPPY.

I'D RATHER HAVE IT FOUR.

YOU'D RATHER HAVE AT SIX.

UM, SO STRAW POLL WISE, I THINK WE LANDED AT FIVE.

SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE SIX CONDITIONS WITH, UM, A REQUEST FOR A MODIFICATION OF NUMBER THREE TO FIVE FEET IN HEIGHT.

SO THOSE ARE DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN.

SO I TOOK YOUR SEVENTH CONDITION AND JUST MODIFIED THE FIRST.

ALRIGHT, GIVE UM, THE COMMISSION OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW ANY REQUEST FOR MODIFICATION TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS THEY'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN.

KEEP IN MIND WE DO HAVE THE FIRST TEXT MODIFICATION THAT HAS TWO CONDITIONS AS WELL.

NO CALL OUTS.

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TWO TEXT MODIFICATIONS TO THE CORONER'S DEVELOPMENT TEXT WITH TWO CONDITIONS.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

MR. W DO I HAVE SECOND? SECOND.

THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU MR. DESLER.

MS. BEAL, THIS CALL? YES.

UH, NOW FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE NEW FDP WITH THE SIX CONDITIONS AS LISTED ON THE SCREEN AND DISCUSSED IN THE MEDIA MEETING THIS EVENING.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE.

MR WAY.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND.

MS. BEAL, MS. HARDER? YES.

MR. YES.

MR. WE? YES.

MR. DASHER? YES.

THIS CALL? YES, MR. GTI.

MR. MR. BE, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU.

WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AND YOUR, UM, DILIGENCE IN COMING, SEEING US.

WELL, ALMOST A COUPLE OF MONTHS IN A ROW.

MARCH ISN'T TOO, TOO LONG IN OUR VIEW MIRROR.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SITE FILLED OUT.

24 DASH 0 6 9 CP, THE FARMS AT COS GRAY, THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW AND FEEDBACK FOR 52, DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

UH, MR. HANSEL, COULD YOU GRAB MR. ALEXANDER? MS. , VERY SECURE.

VERY SECURE.

I WILL WELCOME BACK MR. ALEXANDER.

WE'LL WAIT A MOMENT BEFORE MR. CHINOOK TO COME BACK.

, I'M JAMIE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

WE'RE WAITING ON ONE COMMISSION MEMBER TO MAKE HIS WAY BACK INTO THE ROOM.

ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO CASE

[ Case #24-069CP]

THE APPROXIMATELY 30 ACRE SITE IS ZONED R RURAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF COS GRAY ROAD AND BARONS MOORE WAY.

WELCOME TO OUR APPLICANT THIS EVENING.

WE WILL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

GOOD, GOOD EVENING.

I'M TODD FERRIS WITH FERRIS PLANNING AND DESIGN.

UH, 4 8 7 6 CEMETERY ROAD, UH, IN HILLIARD.

UM, I DON'T, THERE'S A, THERE'S A FEW FACES THAT, THAT ARE FAMILIAR AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE COUNT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME THAT AREN'T.

SO I THINK WE MIGHT GO BACK A LITTLE BIT.

ZACH, I DON'T KNOW IF

[02:40:01]

YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD BACK, LIKE, I THINK IT WAS IN FEBRUARY.

UM, KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

WE WERE HERE BEFORE FOR AN INFORMAL REVIEW, UH, BACK IN FEBRUARY WHERE, UH, THIS PARCEL IS A HUNDRED ACRE PARCEL.

UH, AND IT'S, IT'S BISECTED BY THE RAILROAD.

IT'S, IT'S, UH, 30 ACRES ON THE EAST SIDE AND, AND 70 ACRES ON THE WEST.

UM, AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED IN THAT INFORMAL REVIEW WAS THAT RESIDENTIAL SEEMED TO MAKE SENSE ON THE EAST SIDE, THE WEST SIDE, NO, WEST SIDE DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

THAT'S COMMERCIAL, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE, WHATEVER.

SO, UM, WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH, WITH ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND THAT GETS US BACK TO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.

UM, AND SO JUST A LITTLE BIT, UM, OF, OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN.

THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY IN BETWEEN, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLANS OR YOUR VISION PLANS AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO I FEEL LIKE I'M STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE ON THIS ONE.

BUT, BUT I AM WHERE I'M AT.

SO, UH, WE'LL WORK WITH IT.

UM, WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT JUST LOOKING AT THIS EAST PORTION, NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACK IS RESIDENTIAL.

THE REST OF THE, THE PLAN, UH, THE, UH, THE OWNER KIERAN BASSETT, WHICH IS HERE WITH ME TONIGHT, UH, UH, WILL BE DEVELOPING THAT IN A LATER PHASE BASED OFF OF OBVIOUSLY, UM, UH, COMMENTS AND, AND THINGS THAT COME OUT OF YOUR, YOUR, UH, NEW PLAN.

BUT, BUT THIS IS, IS THE VISION THAT WE GENERALLY PRESENTED TO YOU THE LAST TIME AND TOOK INTO ACCOUNT A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM, FROM THE DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBERS AND, AND, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS AT THAT TIME.

UM, ONE THING THAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS, IS THE LAYOUT IS, IS PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE.

UM, O ONE THING THAT WE HAVE DONE THOUGH IS, IS REDUCE THE UNIT COUNT.

UH, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE A HUNDRED ACRE, UH, A HUNDRED ACRES TO, UH, DEAL WITH, UM, UH, THE DENSITY WOULD'VE BEEN TOO HIGH, UH, GIVEN THE, THE UNIT COUNT, UH, THAT WE HAD BEFORE, WHICH IS ABOUT 63.

SO WE'VE REDUCED THAT TO, TO 51, UH, PLUS THE EXISTING HOME, UH, THAT'S ON THE SITE TO DATE, THAT EXISTING HOUSE.

UH, AND THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE, PROBABLY THE, THE LARGER CHANGES THAT, THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE PLAN, UM, IS, IS THAT, UH, BEFORE WE WEREN'T ANTICIPATING THAT WE WOULD, WOULD TRY TO SAVE THAT HOME.

UH, BUT WHEN, UM, MR. BASS ALREADY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UH, HE WAS OUT THERE MEETING, UH, WITH THE, UH, UH, CURRENT OWNER AND WENT THROUGH THE HOUSE AND SAYS, THIS, THIS IS NICE.

WE, WE, WE NEED TO KEEP THIS HOUSE.

THE INSIDE IS GOOD.

UH, WE LIKE THAT AND, AND IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN WORK THIS INTO, INTO WHAT YOU'RE DOING? I SAID, WELL, WE CAN, IT, IT'S KIND OF, KIND OF WORKS WITH OUR PLAN THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT ARCHITECTURALLY AND, AND, AND KNOWING THAT IT, THAT IT FRONTS ON COS GRAY, UH, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT? AND, AND I JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I CAN WORK WITH IT, BUT I ALSO HAVE A STAFF AND I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT CAN HELP ME GET TO THAT AS WELL, TO, TO COME UP WITH THAT, THAT SOLUTION ON HOW WE DEAL WITH THAT.

BUT, BUT THAT, THAT STARTS, I THINK, UH, FORMULATING SOME, SOME OF THE CHARACTER THAT, THAT WE WOULD FORESEE ON THIS SITE WHERE, WHERE WE DO HAVE THE AGRICULTURAL HERITAGE AND HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THAT BACK INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING.

UH, I THINK SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL THINGS THAT, THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST REPRESENTATIVE OF, OF, UH, PRODUCT THAT OUR, OUR, UH, BUILDER PARTNER, UH, HAS, UH, TODAY.

UH, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN, IN THE FUTURE TO GET THOSE, UH, THOSE MORE IN LINE WITH, WITH THE VISIONS, UH, THAT THE CITY HAS HAS, UH, FOR THE, UH, COMMUNITY STANDARDS.

UM, ONE, ONE THING THAT YOU'LL NOTICE ALSO WITH THE SITE PLAN IS, UM, AND, AND IT'S MORE WITH THE ARCHITECTURE, I THINK IS, IS THAT THE LAR THE LOTS ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.

PREVIOUSLY WE WERE LOOKING AT 55 FOOT LOTS, AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD WAS, WAS, AND IT WAS TAKE TAKEN, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, VERY SERIOUSLY IS THAT I, AND IT WAS LIKE THE VERY FIRST, UH, UH, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

I DON'T WANNA SEE GARAGES THE WHOLE WAY DOWN THERE.

SO, SO WITH, WITH THAT LARGER LOT, UM, THAT ALLOWS, UH, THE PRODUCT THAT, UH, FISHER HOMES, WHO IS THE, WHO IS UH, UH, GONNA BE THE, UH, UH, BUILDER IN THIS, UH, TO, UH, DO SIDE SIDELOADED GARAGES.

AND SO ALL OF THE LARGER LOTS, THE 75 FOOT LOTS, THE PRODUCT THAT THEY OFFER ON THOSE LOTS ALL HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE SIDELOADED GARAGES.

THEY DON'T SHOW THAT IN EVERY ONE OF THESE.

NOW, THE 55 FOOT WIDE LOTS, WE, WE DO HAVE TWO LOT SIZES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE INCORPORATING IN HERE, 55 AND 75.

WE WANTED TO HAVE A MIX OF PRODUCT, UM, IN HERE, UM, CATERED TO, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY THE SAME, THE SAME AGE GROUPS.

SO BEFORE I THINK WE WERE TARGETING 55 AND OLDER, WE, WE'VE, UM, HAVE, HAVE BASICALLY, UM, SAID THAT THAT'S

[02:45:01]

PROBABLY NOT OUR TARGET AUDIENCE HERE.

EXACTLY.

UH, AGAIN, THE PATIO HOMES, THE 50, UH, THE 55 WOULD BE CATERED MORE TOWARDS THEM, BUT THE OTHERS WOULD BE, UH, FOR, FOR OLDER FAMILIES BECAUSE THEY'RE A MIX OF ONE AND TWO STORY HOMES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE AS WELL.

UM, BUT, BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT, THAT A LOT OF THESE HAVE OPTIONS WHERE THE GARAGES EITHER FRONT LOADED OR SIDE LOADED.

UM, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE AMELIA, THE PATIO COLLECTION UP THERE, IT, IT ALL SHOWS THE FRONT, FRONT LOADED, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY ALSO CAN BE, UH, FACE TO THE SIDE AS WELL.

UM, SO, SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, UM, THINGS THAT WE, WE DID REALLY FINE TUNE ON THIS, UH, THIS PLAN TO ALLEVIATE THAT, UM, THAT, THAT CONCERN THAT WE HAD BEFORE.

UM, THE OPEN SPACES ARE STILL CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAD.

UH, WE STILL HAVE GENERALLY A 200 FOOT SETBACK ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACK THAT WE WOULD UTILIZE AS A BUFFER.

UH, WE WOULD STILL PROVIDE A, A PATHWAY, UH, A COMMUNITY PATHWAY FOR, FOR EVERYONE THROUGH THERE, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, POND OVERLOOKS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SEATING AREAS THAT ARE TIES INTO, UH, THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION THAT WE HAVE HAVE HERE, AS WELL AS PROVIDING, UM, UH, ENTRY FEATURE FROM COS GRAY AT THE, UH, MAIN ENTRY ACROSS FROM BALANCE RAY.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS IS, IS KIND OF SET ITSELF UP AS FAR AS AS OUR SETBACKS AND OUR OPEN SPACES.

WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE EMULATING WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH BALANCE TREE ALREADY WITH OUR SETBACKS.

WE, WE PURPOSE PURPOSEFULLY SET OUR, OUR REAR SETBACK LINES TO BE IN LINE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.

SO WE WOULD HAVE SIMILAR OR SAME, UH, CONDITIONS ON COS GRAY ROAD.

UH, AGAIN, WE PROVIDED THAT 200 FOOT BUFFER, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD HEARD COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S A MINIMUM OF WHAT WE'D WANNA HAVE THERE.

UH, AND ALSO INCORPORATED, I THINK THE ORIGINAL, UH, DESIRES OF THE PLAN THAT, THAT WE WERE UNDER BEFORE OF, OF SMALLER GRIDED LOTS, BUT MORE OF A CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION KNOWING, UH, THAT THERE ISN'T A WHOLE LOT TO CONSERVE ON THIS SITE.

THERE, THERE'S TREE LINES THAT ARE ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACK AND THERE IS THAT HOUSE, BUT THE REST IS, IS A FARM FIELD.

UM, BUT PROVIDE A, A, A, A GREAT AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE.

AND I, AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO 50% OPEN SPACE ON THIS SITE.

WE'RE LIKE 40, 46%.

UH, SO, SO WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT.

UM, A COUPLE OF THE OTHER KEY COMPONENTS, I THINK YOU, YOU WOULD NOTICE THAT MOST OF THESE HOMES DO HAVE ACCESS TO THE OPEN SPACE.

THERE'S ONLY THAT ONE, UH, CENTRAL, UM, STREETS WHERE THE HOMES BACK UP TO EACH OTHER.

THE REST DO, DO HAVE ACCESS TO THE OPEN SPACE.

UM, AGAIN, UM, OBVIOUSLY DEALT WITH THE TRAFFIC AND ALIGNING THE, THE, THE, UM, UM, ACCESS POINTS, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, IS PRUDENT FROM, FROM OBVIOUSLY ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.

UM, BUT, UM, AGAIN, I I, I KNOW WE'RE IN BETWEEN PLANS AND I, AND I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE STILL THINK THAT THIS IS A REALLY GOOD, UH, SINGLE FAMILY SITE.

I, WE THINK IT'S, IT BLENDS REAL WELL WITH, WITH THE BALANCE TRAIN AND SERVICES THAT TRANSITION MUCH MORE SO THAN, THAN A TECH FLEX TYPE OF WAREHOUSE, UH, TYPE OF, UH, ENVIRONMENT.

BUT THAT, THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE.

UM, BUT THIS IS THE, THE PLAN THAT WE HAD MOVED FORWARD WITH AND THAT WE'RE PRESENTING WITH TO YOU TONIGHT WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD IN A FORMAL, UH, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT STEP WITH THE ZONING AND, UH, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

THANK YOU, MR. PARIS.

ZACH, ZACH, MR. HESHEL, I'LL TURN SOME TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR STAFF PRESENTATION AND WE'LL HANDLE QUESTIONS TOGETHER.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

AND I'LL SPEND MY TIME FOCUSING JUST ON BACKGROUND AND THEN COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, 'CAUSE TODD DID A GREAT JOB OF JUST EXPLAINING THE SITE AND THE ARCHITECTURE.

THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THIS CASE HAS BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, PREVIOUSLY WAS AN INFORMAL REVIEW.

UH, BOTH THE INFORMAL AND CONCEPTS ARE PRETTY SIMILAR OUT HERE, SO NO DETERMINATION IS REQUIRED.

UH, THIS STILL IS PROVIDING THAT NON-BINDING FEEDBACK SIMILAR TO AN INFORMAL REVIEW.

SO THE SITE IS, UH, ABOUT 30 ACRES WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OF THE A HUNDRED ACRE SITE THAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD.

AND IT IS ZONED RURAL, UH, BALANCE TRAY IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO, UH, THE EAST AS WELL.

AND THAT IS MANY FORMS OF RESIDENTIAL, BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN SOME, UH, DENSER PRODUCT FURTHER TO THE SOUTH AS WELL.

UH, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY AGRICULTURAL AGRICULTURE, UH, WITH SOME TREE STANDS AND MATURE TREE VEGETATION ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE AND ALONG THE RAILROAD.

UH, SO TO TODD'S POINT, AND I'LL, I'LL EXPLAIN THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WELL.

UH, THE LAST TIME THAT THIS WAS BEFORE THE COMMISSION WAS IN JANUARY.

UM, AND AT THAT TIME WE WERE STILL WORKING ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.

UH, AT THAT TIME WE DID NOT HAVE A SPECIAL AREA PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS UPDATED OR SHARED WITH OUR STEERING COMMITTEE OR WITH THE PUBLIC YET THEY WERE JUST NOT DRAFTED AT

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THIS POINT.

UH, WE DO HAVE DRAFT, UH, LANGUAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY WITH CITY COUNCIL.

UH, AND IT DOES CONSIDER UPDATES FOR BOTH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN.

UM, THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO GO FOR A SECOND READING THE CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 1ST.

UH, SHOULD THAT BE APPROVED THEN IT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED ON AUGUST 1ST.

UM, SO THE REASON WE'RE SHOWING THIS IS BECAUSE IT IS INFORMAL AND CONCEPT PLAN.

WE HAVEN'T MADE A DETERMINATION ON ANYTHING YET, SO ANY REZONING WOULD COME IN UNDER THIS UPCOMING UPDATE.

UM, SO WITH THAT BACKGROUND, WHAT IS CURRENTLY SHOWN FOR THIS PROPERTY IS IN TERMS OF FUTURE LAND USE, IS FLEX INNOVATION.

UH, THAT IS A CHANGE FROM PREVIOUSLY, WHICH WAS A MIXED RESIDENTIAL RURAL TRANSITION.

UM, SO THIS MOVES FROM RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION TO, UH, MORE OF THAT OFFICE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT CLEAN MANUFACTURING USES.

SO IT IS MORE MODERN DEVELOPMENT, INCORPORATING MIX OF USES.

AND THEN AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, 'CAUSE THIS HAS CHANGED FROM THE SOUTHWEST AREA TO THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT.

UM, AND THIS IS THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY ALONG COS GRAY AS WELL.

UH, IT IS CALLING FOR THAT, THAT MIX OF TECH FLEX USES WITH SIGNIFICANT BUFFERS ALONG THE RAILROAD AND COS GRAY ROAD TO SCREEN THESE USES FROM ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE DIRECTION HAS CHANGED.

WE'VE MET, WE MET A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WITH, UM, TODD AND HIS TEAM AND EXPLAIN THIS PROCESS AND KIND OF WHAT THIS WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD.

SO THIS IS ANTICIPATED IF IT STAYS ON SCHEDULE TO BE IMPLEMENTED HERE IN AUGUST AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH IN AUGUST.

UM, SO AGAIN, THE INFORMAL REVIEW JUST VERY, VERY QUICKLY, UM, WAS PROVIDED WITH THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN, BUT NOT WITH THE UPDATED COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS.

HOWEVER, COMMISSION WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT TIME OF RESIDENTIAL ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY SHOWN.

UM, SO IT IS 51 DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, UH, THE PLAN TO SHOW 52, BUT THAT'S CONSIDERING THE, THE PRESERVED HOME AS WELL.

SO THERE'D BE 51 NEW LOTS, UM, INCLUDING THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

AND THEN LARGELY THE, THE LAYOUT REMAINS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE TWO ACCESS POINTS OFF OF COS GRAY ROAD.

SO THE PRIMARY QUESTION TONIGHT IS WHETHER THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USE, GIVEN THAT IT WILL NOT ALIGN WITH THE UPCOMING FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CHANGE AND THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN.

UM, SHOULD THE COMMISSION BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE RESIDENTIAL USE? UH, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED LAYOUT AND THEN THE ARCHITECTURAL INSPIRATION.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU MR. HEL.

WE WILL LOOK FOR QUESTIONS FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND FOR STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION.

SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

OH, MR. DESLER, SORRY, HIS BUZZER WASN'T WORKING.

GOTTA GET THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.

SO I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, THESE, THESE BACKYARDS, UM, WHAT'S THE, LEMME THINK HERE.

THIS IS ON THE, THE STREETSCAPE ONE.

ZACH, I DON'T KNOW.

DO YOU KNOW WHICH ONE I MEAN? YES.

SO ON FIVE, THE 25 FOOT SETBACK, ARE THESE LOTS GONNA HAVE ANY ABILITY TO DEVELOP THE BACKYARD? UH, YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT 120 FOOT DEEP LOTS.

UM, AGAIN, THE, THE MINIMUM OR THE, THE MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACK IN THE REAR YARD WOULD BE 25, BUT THE BUILDINGS ACTUALLY DON'T GO TO THAT.

SECTION THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE.

SO THERE WOULD, THERE STILL WOULD BE ROOM LEFT BACK IN THAT REAR YARD.

UM, I MEAN, JUST AS A COMPARISON, I THINK THE LOTS THAT WE SAW ON THAT, THAT ONE ON, ON BRIGHT ROAD, WERE ONLY 110 FEET DEEP, SO WE HAVE 10 MORE FEET.

SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN GET SOMETHING IN THESE REAR YARDS.

WELL, IF YOU WERE HERE DURING THAT, I, WE VOICED CONCERNS THAT THE, THE LOTS MAY NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, PULLED UP A LITTLE BIT.

I, AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS, UH, IF THIS WERE TO MAKE IT THROUGH AS IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, THAT THERE WOULD BE ISSUES WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BACKYARD BASED ON THE SETBACK AND THE LOT SIZE.

SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S FINE, BUT I THINK THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME, IN MY OPINION, REQUIREMENT OF NOTIFICATION, SOME ACTUAL NOTIFICATION TO THE, THE PURCHASERS THAT THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THEIR BACKYARD AS INTENDED WITHOUT A VARIANCE WHICH IS NOT GUARANTEED.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND, AND REALLY I THINK THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHERE THAT COMES INTO TO THE REAL, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE, MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IS WHERE WE HAVE THE BACK TO BACK, WHICH IS LITERALLY THAT, THAT ONE

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UM, BECAUSE IF YOU DID DEVELOP, I GUESS, CLOSER TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE NEXT TO THE OPEN SPACE, IT'S REALLY NOT AFFECTING ANYBODY.

SO MAYBE THE OPEN SPACE LOTS HAVE A, A, A GREATER OR, OR A LESSER REAR YARD THAT ALLOWS, UH, THE PATIOS OR THE, THE BARBECUE GRILLS OR WHAT, WHATEVER THEY MAY HAVE TO GET CLOSER TO THOSE OPEN SPACES SINCE THEY'RE NOT AFFECTING THEIR NEIGHBORS.

AND, AND WE ONLY HAVE TO, UH, TO DO THAT TO THOSE ONES IN THE CENTER.

YEAH, BUT STILL YOU'D, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, EVEN THOUGH THERE MAY BE A, A RESERVE OR OPEN AREA BEHIND THAT DOESN'T ALTER THE, THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS RELATIVE TO DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SO THAT MAYBE HAVE TO, THAT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED WITHIN THE, THE ACTUAL ARCHITECTURAL PLANS AND THE, UM, THE TEXT ASSOCIATED WITH THE SETBACKS.

IS THAT FAIR, ZACH? YEAH, AND, AND WHAT I FAILED TO MENTION AS WELL DURING THE PRESENTATION FOR THIS, AND ALSO TOWNS I APOLOGIZE, IS, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, THOSE WERE CREATED LAST YEAR AND THEY WERE INTENDED TO ADDRESS, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT OF LOT, WHAT'S BUILDABLE FOR THE HOME AND WHAT'S BUILDABLE FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, PATIOS, POOLS, AND ALL THOSE.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY PULLED FROM THAT DOCUMENT.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS CREATED BY THEM.

SO, UM, SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD, THERE'S A STUDY OF THIS THAT'S REQUIRED.

THEY PROVIDED THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE OPEN SPACE DIAGRAMS, UM, CATALOGING EVERYTHING.

SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS IF, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD AND THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AS WELL.

SO, UM, AND THAT IS A RESULT OF DEVELOPMENTS WHERE WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD SPACE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTIES BUILT OUT.

RESIDENT DOESN'T KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE SEEN THIS IN BZA BEFORE AS WELL, UM, BUT JUST IN NEWER DEVELOPMENTS.

SO, UH, THIS IS INTENDED TO ADDRESS THAT AND THEY BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THAT STUDY MOVING FORWARD.

THANK YOU, MR. MITCHELL.

GREAT, THANKS.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL PULL US BACK UP.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF ANYONE HERE IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO THE PODIUM.

SEEKING NONE.

HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY? WE DID RECEIVE ONE, UM, THIS EVENING FROM LADONNA SMITH AT 66 92 ROUNDSTONE LOOP, UM, WHICH IS IN THE LAKES OF BALL, ANDRE CONDOMINIUMS. UM, SHE, HER PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION.

AND THE NEXT, UM, SO THE FIRST POINT IS, UM, TO PLEASE CONFIRM WHICH SCHOOL DISTRICT THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN, UM, WHICH I'LL DO HERE IN A SECOND.

AND THEN, UM, WANTING TO EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

SO CLOSE TO THE TRAIN TRACKS.

UM, AS WAS NOTED AT THE JANUARY 4TH HEARING THE LOUD TRAIN WHISTLE THAT BLOWS 10 TO 12 TIMES PER DAY WOULD NOT BE A HUGE SELLING POINT FOR ANY POTENTIAL BUYER.

PERHAPS IF CROSSING GATES COULD BE INSTALLED, THE LOUD TRAIN NOISE WOULD STOP.

UM, AND THEN THE LATTER COMMENT IS RELATED TO THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

SO, UM, SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, SO THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL WOULD BE WITHIN THE HILLIARD CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND JUST FOR THE AUDIENCE.

SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THE CITY OF WELL, HILLIARD SCHOOLS AND DUBLIN CITY SCHOOLS ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW.

WE WORK JOINTLY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

THEY ARE AWARE OF ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY PLANS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD SO THAT THEY CAN PLAN APPROPRIATELY.

AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS 18 MONTH ENVISION DUBLIN STUDY, THEY WERE AT THE TABLE.

SO THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE STEERING COMMITTEE.

THEY HAD A VOICE AT THE TABLE.

THEY WERE AT EVERY MEETING.

MR. TI WAS THERE FROM A, A PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE.

MR. WAYNE AND I SAT ON FROM PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

UH, MR. ALEXANDER SAT ON FROM A DIFFERENT BOARD.

SO, SO THERE WERE MANY VOICES AT THE TABLE.

SO THANK YOU, MS. ROUSH.

LAST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO DELIBERATION.

ALRIGHT, MR. SCHOCK, YOU WANNA START US OFF? YEAH, LIKE ME FIRST? UM, GENERALLY I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE KIND OF STARTED TO GET TO A A POINT THAT'S BETTER.

I STILL, LIKE, WE'VE, WE'VE SAID IN THE PAST, EVEN HERE TONIGHT ON OTHER APPLICATIONS, IT'S SO VERY, YOU GOT THE LONG, YOU GOT THESE LONG ROWS, YOU GOT A VERY GRIDED VERY, I MEAN, YOU LOOK EVEN JUST IN THAT, IN THIS, THE AREA WHERE YOU LOOK ACROSS A BALANCE TREE AND THE MORE ORGANIC NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

I KNOW IT'S HARD.

YOU'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF, OF LOTS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE CREATING A VERY JUST KIND OF GENERIC LAYOUT HERE.

AND WE'D LIKE TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING MORE CREATIVE.

UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY FACE A LOT OF APPLICANTS IN THIS GRAY AREA THAT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THE USE HAS CHANGED.

THE, THE, THE GOAL FOR THIS PROPERTY HAS CHANGED.

SO I GUESS I'D LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW DO WE HANDLE THIS AS A PLAYING AND ZONING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE AND WHAT WE'VE TOLD

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YOU IN THE PAST.

AND NOW WE'RE PIVOTING A LITTLE BIT TO CHANGE DIRECTION.

UM, I GUESS I'M IN, I'M IN, I'M IN FAVOR OF WHERE VISION'S HEADING, BUT I ALSO WANNA BE SENSITIVE TO SOME OF THESE APPLICANTS.

SO I THINK, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER.

AND I DID THANK YOU FOR, FOR KIND OF ANCHORING THERE.

I DID FAIL TO REMIND THE COMMISSION.

WE DO WANNA LOOK AT NUMBER ONE, FIRST, THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USE, AND THEN SHOULD THAT BE, UM, ACCEPTABLE TO THAT PARTICULAR COMMISSION MEMBER, THEY CAN PROCEED DOWN TO THE MORE DETAILED GRANULAR ITEMS. SO, MS. WITH THAT, MS. HARTER, I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

UM, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT CONNECTING WITH THE RESIDENTS IS UTMOST IMPORTANCE, BUT AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSAL FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USE.

UM, IT'S NOT IN LINE WITH THE UPCOMING, UH, FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND, UH, WITH THE RAILROAD CONDITIONS AND SO FORTH.

I HAVE SOME CONCERNS.

THANK YOU, MS. HAR.

MR. WE, YEAH, LET'S START WITH ONE.

AND AGAIN, I, I REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT WE DO HAVE THE INTERIM LADIES PRINCIPLES, AND AS IN THE, UH, PLANNING REPORT, IT NOTES THAT, UM, THE PRINCIPLE NUMBER SIX IS FOCUSED ON SITES ALONG FREEWAYS AND RAILWAYS AS MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRODUCING USES VERSUS RESIDENTIAL.

AND SO I, I THINK EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE, THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLANNING, THAT THAT ONE INTERIM LANDUS PRINCIPLE KIND OF GIVES US A STRONG DIRECTION.

THIS, UH, COMMISSION AT OUR LAST MEETING RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

SO, AND THAT PLAN HAD THIS SITE DESIGNATED AS FLEX, UM, USE INNOVATION.

AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO, TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN LINE WITH WHERE THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS GOING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT APPROVED YET.

I THINK OUR INTERIM, UH, LAND USE PRINCIPLES GIVES US THE GUIDANCE THAT WE NEED IN THIS RESPECT.

THANK YOU, MR. WE, MR. ALEXANDER, I'VE BEEN IN YOUR SITUATION BEFORE, SO I SYMPATHIZE WITH WHERE YOU ARE.

UM, HOWEVER, I FEEL LIKE AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, I NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT I THINK ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE ENVISION PLAN.

AND WHILE THAT SOUNDS HARDHEARTED FOR WHAT, FOR WHERE YOU ARE, I THINK THE ENVISION PLAN BY ALL THE PARTICIPANTS AND, UM, IS WHAT WE'VE, WE BELIEVE THOSE OF US WHO SUPPORTED THE PLAN BELIEVE IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO AS A RESULT, AND I SAID IT EARLIER FOR ONE OF THE APPLICANTS, I HAVE DIFFICULTY, PARTICULARLY SINCE WE HAVEN'T SEEN PARTS OF THE PLAN IMPLEMENTED.

WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SAY, IF YOU CAME TO HERE IN 10 YEARS AND NOBODY DEVELOPED THAT SITE IN THE WAY THE PLAN SUGGEST, I THINK MAYBE IT MIGHT BE RECONSIDERED, BUT I, I, I THINK YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE PLAN A CHANCE.

AND I, I SYMPATHIZE REALLY WHERE YOU ARE, BUT I'M, I'M SORRY.

I CAN'T, I CAN'T SUPPORT YOUR PROPOSED USE.

MR. DESLER, I AGREE WITH MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSION MEMBERS HERE.

I'M UNFORTUNATELY ABLE TO SUPPORT, UH, BASED ON THE PROPOSED, UH, CITY'S PLAN AND THE IMPLEMENTATION.

SO UNFORTUNATELY, I'M SORRY, I ECHO MY, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UM, THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN, WE CALLED IT ENVISION DUBLIN THIS TIME, BUT WE, WE EVALUATE THINGS EVERY DECADE.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE CHANGING THE END STATE.

YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR, EVERY OTHER YEAR, THIS IS ABOUT EVERY 10 YEARS WE REEVALUATE.

WE LOOK AT THE CITY AND SEE WHAT IS BEST MOVING FORWARD, CONSIDERING WHERE WE ALREADY ARE.

AND SO, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS HAS BEEN 18 MONTHS IN THE PROCESS, PUBLIC MEETINGS AND PARTICIPATION FROM A WHOLE BUNCH OF STAKEHOLDERS.

AND SO THIS HAS CHANGED.

I THINK THAT THERE IS VALUE TO HAVING AN, AN INNOVATIVE LAB TYPE USE NEXT TO A RAILROAD, MORE SO THAN HOUSES NEXT TO A RAILROAD.

AND SO I THINK THAT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU AS A PROPERTY OWNER TO DEVELOP THIS INTO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD FOR YOU AND REALLY GOOD FOR THE CITY AND COMPLIMENTARY TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS WHO ARE ALREADY THERE.

SO WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR WILLINGNESS AND YOUR ENGAGEMENT WITH STAFF TO BE KEPT ABREAST OF THE, THE GOINGS ON OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND HOW THAT WAS SHAKING OUT.

AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS.

OF THIS EVENING, UH, WE HAVE CASE 24 DASH 0 84 INF.

ALRIGHT, OUR LAST CASE

[Case #24-084INF ]

THIS IS CAUSE GRAY COMMONS.

THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW

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FOR AND FEEDBACK OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT COMPRISED OF OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL AND ASSOCIATED OPEN SPACE.

THE 43.3 ACRE SITE IS ZONED ID TWO RESEARCH FLEX DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE ROUNDABOUT OF STATE ROUTE 1 61 AND COS GRAY ROAD, WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO OUR APPLICANT FOR THEIR PRESENTATION.

YOUR MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY NOT ON NOW.

IT IS.

UH, SO PLEASE, GENERAL, I'LL BE RECUSING MYSELF.

OH, I AP I APOLOGIZE.

I DO NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE MR. WE WILL BE STEPPING OUT AND HE'S RECUSING HIMSELF FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.

SO WITH THAT, GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR LISTENING AND GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT.

MY NAME IS MAZA SEN.

I, I AM LIVING HERE IN DUBLIN, 7 0 8 1 PALMER COURT.

UH, I'M A PHYSICIAN BY PROFESSION AND, UH, WHEN THE SITE ACROSS US WHERE WE WERE PRESENTING DUBLIN GREEN WAS DEVELOPED, I, UH, ESTABLISHED A MEDICAL PRACTICE THERE.

SO I USED TO SEE THIS, UH, SITE, UH, EVERY DAY.

AND, UH, AS I SAID, I'M LIVING IN DUBLIN FOR MANY YEARS, MORE THAN 15 YEARS.

THREE OF MY CHILDREN GRADUATED FROM JEROME HIGH SCHOOL.

I DID, UH, SOME VARIOUS DEVELOPMENT IN DIFFERENT PART OF OHIO STATE.

SO THEN THIS CAME TO MY MIND THAT, UH, THIS IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF LAND AND HOW WE CAN DEVELOP AND DO SOME WORK HERE WHERE WE LIVE FOR A LONG TIME.

SO THAT'S HOW IT'S ALL STARTED.

UH, SO I WILL ASK, UH, UH, GILLY FROM COLLIER AND, UH, TONY FROM NBBJ TO PRESENT TO YOU.

ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MY NAME IS GILLY ZAN.

MY ADDRESS IS 2 0 9 SOUTH COLUMBIA BEXLEY, OHIO.

UM, AS MAZAR SAID, HE'S LIVED IN, UH, DUBLIN AND HAS BEEN A RESIDENT WITH HIS FAMILY.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD THE CHANCE, UM, I WOULD WITH COLLIERS AS WELL, WHEN WE HAD THE CHANCE TO TAKE THIS SITE, UM, REALLY PURSUE IT, WE REALLY SAW A LOT OF STRONG ATTRIBUTES TO IT.

AND SO A COUPLE OF THEM WE JUST WANTED TO CALL OUT WAS, IT'S DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, RIGHT TO THE EAST IS THE OHIO UNIVERSITY CAMPUS, WHICH IS OVER A HUNDRED ACRES.

THAT HAS OBVIOUSLY A MASTER PLAN DOUBLE IN FRAMEWORK PLAN.

THAT WAS DONE, I THINK ABOUT A VISION PLAN WAS INTENDED TO OFFER COMPREHENSIVE VIEW FOR THE CAMPUS MAY EVOLVE.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WAS ENVISIONED AS WELL, THAT THERE WAS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT SUPPORTS THE VIBRANT, KNOWLEDGEABLE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF WHAT WE WANTED TO CREATE.

THERE'S ALSO THE DUBLIN, OHIO PASSENGER RAIL, WHICH IS JUST THREE-FOURTHS OF A MILE TO OUR WEST.

THEN THE, WHICH IS, AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROPOSED STATE OF ART, MULTI-MODULE, PASSENGER RAIL.

AND THEN THE, THE 33 MOBILITY CORRIDOR IS ALSO RIGHT TO OUR EAST.

SO YOU ALSO HAVE THAT 105 MILLION PRIVATE PUBLIC INVESTMENT AS WELL AS ALL THE RECREATIONAL DIRECTLY TO OUR SOUTH.

SO WE JUST SAW THIS AS BEING AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR A FUTURE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS WITH THE NEW PROPOSED ENVISIONED DUBLIN ZONING THAT MET THE SAME USES.

UM, AS WELL.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WANT TO CALL OUT, 'CAUSE WITH OUR PROJECT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WITH MIXED USE IN LIFESTYLE COMMUNITIES, THERE WAS VERY LIMITED VACANCIES.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU PRICING SEEN, AS SOME OTHERS MENTIONED, CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE BEEN HIGH OVER NOT JUST PAST YEAR, BUT MANY YEARS.

SO THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE NEW PROJECTS BUILT.

AND REALLY WITH OUR PROJECT PROPOSING OVER 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET, IT REALLY IS A QUITE LARGE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE COMPARED TO OTHER, YOU KNOW, MIXED USES.

AND YOU CAN REALLY SEE, YOU KNOW, BASED UPON THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE PARK HAS APPROXIMATELY 3.4 MILLION ANNUAL USES AND ANNUAL VISITS, WHICH IS ONLY THE THIRD COMPARED TO EASTON AND PLAYER.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY DRAWS US THAT OBVIOUSLY DUBLIN HAS THAT MARKET FOR, YOU KNOW, THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO TONY.

THANKS GILLY.

UH, MY NAME'S TONY MURRAY.

I'M WITH MBBJ TWO 50 SOUTH HIGH STREET.

UH, CAN I BRING THESE TO YOU J JUST UP TO STAFF OVER HERE? AND THEY'LL DISTRIBUTE.

UH, I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO IMPRESS UPON EVERYONE.

SO, UH, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, UH, TIME OF THE EVENING WILL BE BRIEF.

I KNOW THERE'S SOME, UH, OVERLAP WITH WHAT YOU GUYS ALL PRESENT AND WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE.

SO I'LL TRY TO GO AS QUICKLY AS I CAN THROUGH THAT.

UM, PROJECT SITE, UH, WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH WHERE THIS IS, UH, JUST SOUTH OF COSTCO ON 1 61 WEST OF 33.

AS YOU HEAD OUT TOWARDS PLAIN CITY, UH, APPROXIMATELY 43 ACRE SITE, WE'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP, UM, PRIMARY FRONTAGE ON 1 61 AND COS GRAY AND UNIVERSITY, THE FUTURE PLAN UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD.

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I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THIS, THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS SITE, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE, UH, PROMINENCE OF THIS SITE IN DUBLIN.

UM, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THE, THE NEW INTERCHANGE AT 33 IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

ALL OF THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING IN MARYSVILLE, THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING IN PLAIN CITY, UH, EVEN NORTH, UH, DUBLIN, JEROME TOWNSHIP UP TOWARDS ROUTE 42.

UH, WE JUST REALLY SEE OUR PROJECT SITE, IT BEING IN THE CENTER OF ALL OF THAT.

AND, UH, THAT'S, I THINK WE, WHY WE THINK IT'S AN OPPOR GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY AND FOR, UH, INVESTMENT, UH, A LITTLE CLOSER IN, I THINK, UH, GILLY TOUCHED ON SOME OF THESE, BUT WE KNOW WE'RE PLANNING FOR A PASSENGER RAIL.

WE HAVE A SUCCESSFUL INDUSTRIAL PARK, A LOT OF SPORTS AND REC JUST SOUTH OF THE SITE.

UH, THE DISCUSSIONS, UH, ONGOING WITH OU UH, DUBLIN GREEN, EVERYTHING HAPPENING THERE.

AGAIN, JUST AT A CLOSER.

AND THE THING I REALLY WANNA POINT OUT HERE THAT I LOVE PERSONALLY IS THE PLANNING FOR THE SIGNATURE TRAIL.

UH, VERY WIDE, UH, GENERIC KIND OF, UH, GREEN HATCH THAT YOU SEE THERE.

UH, WHERE THAT TRAIL'S GOING TO GO.

WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE IT'S GONNA GO, BUT WE WOULD LOVE, I THINK IF THIS SITE HAD, UH, SOME INTERACTION WITH THAT OR SOME ADJACENCY TO IT.

UH, ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO ME, HISTORY OF THE SITE.

UH, WE DID SOME RESEARCH, UH, THAT'S THE HISTORIC FARM THAT YOU SEE UP THERE ON THE TOP LEFT.

UH, HAROLD ET WAS THE ET WAS THE FAMILY THAT LIVED THERE.

THEY WERE POULTRY FARMERS.

THEY ACTUALLY HAD A FURNITURE SHOP IN PLAIN CITY AT SOME ONE POINT IN TIME, SO THAT'S INTERESTING.

UM, WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE OLD INDIAN TRAIL, UH, POST ROAD TECUMSAH, UH, SPENDING TIME ON THIS TRAIL, THE PONY EXPRESS.

SO JUST REALLY LOVE THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE.

AND IT, IT'S FRONTAGE ON 1 61.

UH, FARM FIELD AGRARIAN USE, UH, AGRICULTURAL USE AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, LOT MU MUCH LIKE A LOT OF THE SITES THAT WE'VE SEEN, UH, TONIGHT.

UH, ZONING CONSIDERATIONS, UH, THIS IS EXISTING ZONING.

I'M NOT GONNA SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS.

I KNOW YOU ALL ARE GONNA COVER THIS AS WELL.

BUT LAND USE ALSO, AS WE'VE SEEN WITH ENVISION DUBLIN, UH, 2024 COMMUNITY DRAFT PLAN, THERE'S A, THERE'S THIS KIND OF A TIMELINE OF, UM, EXISTING LAND USE, FUTURE LAND USE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT.

UH, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT MIXED USE CENTER FOR THIS SITE NOW, WHICH, UM, WE WE'RE TRYING TO LIVE WITH ON ALL OF THE PARAMETERS OF THAT, UH, PLANNING PARAMETERS FOR WHAT THE PLAN THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE.

THOROUGHFARE PLAN ALSO, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT, UH, MOST IMPORTANT PIECE, I THINK TO LOOK AT THIS ON THE LOWER RIGHT HAND SIDE OF OUR SITE, UH, THE DASHED LINES, THE GREEN DASH LINES ARE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S PLANS FOR ROUNDABOUT AND CONNECTING TO COS GRAY SOUTH OF OUR SITE THROUGH THE A EP PARCEL, WHICH IS JUST, UH, SOUTH OF THE INDIAN RUN SOUTH FORK ON THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF OUR SITE.

THE, UH, UM, PURPLE LINES THAT YOU SEE THERE, THE MORE DEFINED PURPLE LINES ARE ACTUALLY FROM THE OU PLAN.

SO, POINT HERE IS THAT THE, THE ROUNDABOUT AND ALL OF THAT, THERE'S SOME PLANNING THAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THAT, SOME DESIGN AND ENGINEERING THAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THAT.

UM, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KIND OF MASSAGE THROUGH ALL THAT AND UNDERSTAND THE BEST PLACE FOR ALL THOSE ROADS TO OCCUR AS IT RELATES TO OUR SITE.

UH, SITE ACCESS, WE KNOW, I THINK PRIMARILY I MENTIONED THIS IS GOING TO COME FROM, UH, THE NEW INTERCHANGE ON THE EAST.

UH, BUT WE HAVE A, A PRETTY, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING POPULATION, UH, TO THE WEST, A PLAIN CITY THAT WOULD COME THIS WAY.

CONNECTIONS TO HILLIARD TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN UP INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY AS WELL, UH, INTO JEROME TOWNSHIP.

SO AGAIN, UH, REALLY A PROMINENT SITE.

I THINK NATURAL FEATURES, TWO EXISTING TREES OUT ALONG, UH, 1 61.

AND THEN I ALREADY MENTIONED, UH, INDIAN RUN, SOUTH FORK, PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION.

YOU COULD SEE THE, UH, HALF, UH, HALF MILE IN THE 10 MINUTE WALK, A FIVE MINUTE WALK CIRCLE GETS YOU TO SOME PRETTY GOOD DESTINATIONS.

WE KNOW THIS IS PRETTY SUBURBAN OUT HERE, BUT IF SOMEONE WANTED TO LIVE HERE AND GET TO THE SIGNATURE TRAIL OR WORK HERE AND GO ACROSS THE STREET AND GET LUNCH, UH, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.

HYDROLOGY, THIS PLAYS IN AGAIN, I THINK AS WELL.

AND TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE ALIGNMENT OF SOME OF THE ROADWAYS ON THE OU CAMPUS, UH, THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN THAT WE'RE COMPETING WITH.

ALL THIS IS ALL OFFSITE, MOSTLY CONTEXT FOR ALL OF YOU.

UH, CONCEPTUAL IDEA THOUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOVE THE IDEA OF THIS PRESERVATION OR THIS RECOGNITION OF THE HISTORIC FARM THAT WAS ALONG 1 61.

SO THAT KIND OF ROOTED THIS IDEA OF A, A GREEN SPACE THAT WAS ALONG 1 61.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY TYING TO THIS IDEA OF A SIGNATURE TRAIL IN INDIAN RUN, SOUTH FORK INDIAN RUN HAS A GREAT, UH, HISTORY IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.

AND, UH, TRYING TO MAYBE CARRY THAT OUT THIS WAY, UH, AS A WAY OF KIND OF PAYING HOMAGE BACK TO SOME OF THE HISTORIC DUBLIN AREA, UH, BUT MAKING A STRONGER CONNECTION, JUST DIAGRAMMATICALLY CONCEPTUALLY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A BIG, UH, A BIG PLAN FOR US, UH, PROPOSED LAND USE.

UH, BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE PLAN, I THINK IT'S, UH, THAT THE BEST WAY TO

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DESCRIBE IT IS ALONG THE NORTH IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MOST DENSE USES, MIXED USE, PROBABLY THE MOST URBAN, UM, RESIDENTIAL, POTENTIALLY HOTELS.

UH, AND THEN AS WE MOVE SOUTH, THAT BECOMES MORE PRIVATE, UH, MORE LOWER VOLUME AS I WOULD SAY, UH, IN MOVING INTO, UH, JUST RETAIL AND APARTMENTS, RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL AND TOWN HOMES DOWN ALONG, UH, SOUTH FORK OF INDIAN RUN.

SO THIS IS THE PLAN, AND I'LL KIND OF JUST WORK ALONG IT, AROUND IT MAYBE, UH, CLOCKWISE, UH, YOU SEE IN THE UPPER RIGHT WE DID MENTION A HOTEL AND CONFERENCE CENTER.

UH, WE THINK THERE COULD BE A REALLY GREAT NEED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THIS SITE.

UH, WITH PROXIMITY TO ALL OF THE TECH FLEX THAT'S COMING, UH, AS WELL AS PROXIMITY TO, UM, SOME OF THE SPORTS FIELDS AND EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT HAPPEN AROUND THE SITE.

UH, OU COULD BE ANOTHER GREAT USER OF THAT, UM, OFFICE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO THINK ALONG THE NORTH EDGE OF THAT SITE FOR, UH, REVENUE AND TAX BASE GENERATING USES.

UM, AND THEN THAT MIDDLE BLOCK, AS YOU SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMING AROUND HERE AGAIN, WE, WE MOVE MORE TOWARDS APARTMENT MIXED USE, THESE IDEA OF, UH, PARKING GARAGES IN THE CENTER, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS RINGING AROUND IT, UH, SO THAT WE HAVE ACTIVATED EDGES ON ALL SIDES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART THAT I DON'T MEAN TO GLOSS OVER IS REALLY THE CENTRAL GREEN SPACE THAT WE TALK ABOUT THIS CONNECTION FROM 1 61 TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SOUTH FORK OF INDIAN RUN THERE.

THAT THAT'S REALLY, UH, I THINK, UM, FOR OUR, OUR CLIENT HERE, THAT'S REALLY A, A WAY OF TRYING TO GIVE BACK.

UH, MAZAR IS PRETTY HUMBLE, BUT HE, LIKE I SAID, HE'S LIVED IN DUBLIN AND HE'S REALLY INTERESTED IN HIS LEGACY AND HOW HE GIVES SOMETHING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO, UH, THINKING ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT THAT FRONTS ON TO, UH, A LARGE GREEN OPEN SPACE LIKE THIS THAT CAN BE ACTIVATED, UH, HAVE RETAIL SPACES IN IT.

UM, THERE'S, UH, SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT I PASSED OUT.

UH, AGAIN, JUST THIS IDEA OF THE, AN ACTIVATED, UH, COMMUNAL, GREEN OPEN SPACE, I THINK IS REALLY THE IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT HERE WITH THIS PLAN.

UH, ROADWAYS, WHEN WE LOOK AT, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UH, IT'S KIND OF A, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A GRID OF ROADWAYS.

SO CIRCULATION IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND SIMPLE.

UH, WE HAVE SOME PREFERENCES ON WRITE IN, WRITE OUTS, UH, VERSUS STANDARD INTERSECTIONS, WHICH I'M SURE WILL GARNER SOME FEEDBACK AS IT RELATES TO PROXIMITY TO EXISTING ROUNDABOUTS.

UM, CENTER OF ENERGY, AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO KIND OF THE PROGRAMMING.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS DIAGRAM, THERE'S SORT OF A HEAT MAP WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE ENERGY IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE MORE NORTH AND LET IT DISSIPATE AS WE GO SOUTH.

AND THEN BEING REALLY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT OPEN SPACE NETWORK, NOT JUST ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT ALSO ABOUT THE STREETS, UH, AND HOW THOSE LOOK AND FEEL AND HOW THEY PROMOTE, UH, PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT AND WALKABILITY.

THIS PLAN IS JUST A, A REPEAT, JUST TO OVERLAY THE OU PLAN, UH, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

AND, UH, REALLY WHAT WE WANTED TO SHOW HERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, ONE, ONE POINT IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THE OU PLAN AND HOW THOSE BUILDINGS AND THOSE GREEN SPACES AND OPEN SPACE CAN CONNECT.

UH, NOT TRYING TO THINK ABOUT OUR SITE IN A SILO AND THE OU SITE IN A SILO, BUT ACTUALLY TRYING TO PULL THOSE TOGETHER IN EVERY WAY THAT WE CAN.

UM, AND I WANT TO MENTION ONE POINT THAT I, UH, DID FORGET.

UH, WE HAVE THIS IDEA OF, YOU'LL SEE THIS IDEA OF A WALKABLE STREET OR A WARNER IN FRONT OF YOU ON YOUR PAPER.

UM, WE DO THINK THAT IT COULD BE AN INTERESTING INSTALLATION FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN, SOMETHING NEW, SOMETHING DIFFERENT IF THAT STREET ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE GREEN, UH, WAS VERY WALKABLE.

CURBLESS BOLLARD, NICE PAVERS, RETAIL, WALKABLE TYPE OF STREET.

YEAH, THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING IT THERE AS OPPOSED TO, UH, A STANDARD ROAD CURB, TREE LANE, UH, TREE, LAWN AND SIDEWALK, UH, SECTION.

SO YEAH, SITE DATA, UH, PARKING SUMMARY.

I WON'T GET INTO THIS, BUT, UM, GENERALLY LOOKING AT ABOUT 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE OF MULTIPLE DIFFERENT USES.

UH, WE'VE ACCOMMODATED THE PARKING, UH, AT PRETTY STANDARD RATES, 80% EFFICIENCY AT DIFFERENT, UH, CARS, DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF CARS PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SO I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S, UM, PARKED THE RIGHT THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE, PROBABLY NOT OVERLY CONSERVATIVELY PARKED AND NOT UNDER PARKED EITHER.

UM, SO YEAH, I THINK ON BEHALF OF US AND OUR CLIENT, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ACTUALLY WHAT THIS COULD BE FOR DUBLIN, UH, AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR FEEDBACK.

IT'S AT THE VERY FIRST STEP IN THE REVIEW PROCESS.

I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO STAFF FOR STAFF PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER ONE THAT IS TH THIS IS ANOTHER ONE, UH, SIMILAR TO SEVERAL OF THE APPLICATIONS WE HAD ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT WHERE

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SO THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW, AGAIN, NON-BINDING FEEDBACK, UH, CONSIDERING HOW THIS RELATES TO ITS SURROUNDINGS AND THE GENERAL SITE PLAY OUT AND USES AND SO FORTH.

SO THERE'S NO DETERMINATION THAT, UH, IS REQUIRED TONIGHT, BUT IF IT DOES MOVE FORWARD, IT GOES THROUGH THE MULTI-STEP PROCESS, WHICH REQUIRES APPROVALS BY, UH, THIS COMMISSION AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL.

SO THERE WOULD BE MULTIPLE, UH, REFINEMENTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

UM, I THINK YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED, BUT IT IS, UH, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE, UH, OHIO UNIVERSITY CAMPUS AND SOUTH OF 1 61.

UM, A FEW VIEWS OF THAT SITE FROM, UM, UH, THE, UH, ROUNDABOUT JUST TO THE NORTHWEST, EXCUSE ME, AS I'M LOSING MY VOICE, IT SEEMS LIKE TONIGHT.

UM, IT IS IN THE, UH, ENVISIONED DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN.

IT IS, UH, LISTED UNDER THE MIXED USE, UH, CENTER CATEGORY, WHICH, UH, DOES CALL FOR SIMILAR USES TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

THE INTENT FOR THE GENERAL AREA IS INNOVATION AND, AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, AS WELL AS EDUCATION, BUT ALSO PROMOTES THE, UH, SUPPORTING, UH, SERVICES TO ALLOW FOR A 24 7 TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT WITH LIVED WORK, PLAY AND, AND INNOVATION AT THE SAME TIME.

UH, THE, UH, WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT SPECIAL AREA PLAN THAT, UH, WAS IN EFFECT, UM, OR HAS BEEN IN EFFECT, UH, AGAIN, EMPHASIZES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS THE, UH, MAIN FOCUS WITH THE SUPPORTING SERVICES AND THE, UM, UNIVERSITY, THE OHIO UNIVERSITY DUBLIN FRAMEWORK PLAN, WHICH APPLIES TO THE SIDE TO THE EAST, BUT, UH, COULD, WE COULD USE SOME OF THOSE, UH, QUEUES AND, UH, TO EXPAND INTO THIS SITE, PROMOTE GREEN SPACE, UH, FACING, UH, 1 61, UH, SIGNATURE OPEN SPACES, UH, GREENWAYS.

UM, AND THEN EMPHASIZING THE KEY VISIBILITY AREAS IN TERMS OF HOW THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PRESENTS ITSELF AND INCLUDING PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS AND STREET LEVEL, UH, EXPERIENCE.

THE, UH, THINK GOT A GOOD OVERVIEW OF THE, UH, AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

28 BUILDINGS ORGANIZED AROUND THE NEW NETWORK OF STREETS AND THE GUIDING OPEN SPACE.

UM, ABOUT NINE ACRES OF, UH, OPEN SPACE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED ALONG WITH TWO NORTH SOUTH STREETS, INCLUDING THE CURBLESS STREET, THE ONE EARTH THAT, UH, IS BEING PROPOSED HERE, AS WELL AS THREE EAST WEST STREETS THAT WOULD INTEGRATE THEN TO THE GRID ON THE US AND EAST SIDES OF THE SITES.

THE, UH, IN TERMS OF THE USES, I THINK, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE, UH, THE, UH, NATURE OF 1 61, UH, BEING A VERY BUSY ROAD THAT CARRIES SOMETIMES TRUCK TRAFFIC AND FREIGHT, UH, OBVIOUSLY HAS A DIFFERENT, UH, CHARACTER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER STREETS.

SO THE, UH, ACCESS TO THAT STREET, UH, WOULD PROBABLY BE LIMITED.

OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND, AND OTHER DETAILS THAT WOULD EMERGE, UH, BUT, UH, POTENTIALLY THE CURBLESS STREET, UM, MAY IN THE END NOT EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO 1 61.

AND AGAIN, MIXED USE IS ENCOURAGED HERE, BUT POTENTIALLY THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL USE ALONG SUCH A BUSY STREET MAY BE BEST SERVED, UH, ELSEWHERE.

BUT GENERALLY THE INTENSITY DOES, UH, LESSEN AS YOU GO SOUTH ON THE SITE.

AND PART OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A NATURE CENTER, POTENTIALLY ALONG THE, UH, SOUTH FORK OF INDIAN RUN.

AND, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE NORTH SOUTH, UH, OPEN SPACE, THERE ARE EAST WEST SPACES THAT YOU CAN ALSO, UH, START SEEING THAT, UH, UH, INTERACT WITH WHAT THE OHIO UNIVERSITY, UH, FRAMEWORK PLAN, UH, IS RECOMMENDING AS WELL.

THE, UH, SO WITH THAT, UH, WE HAVE A FEW DISCUSSION QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE FORMULATED FOR YOU.

UH, IS THE COMMISSION SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED USES AND, AND MIX, UM, GENERAL SITE LAYOUT, PROPOSED OPEN SPACE NETWORK, THE IDENTITY AND CHARACTER, AND, UH, THE PROPOSED SUSTAINABILITY PRACTICES, WHICH HAVE ALSO BEEN EMPHASIZED IN THAT AREA? UM, ONE, ONE THING THAT I NEGLECTED TO MENTION, UH, I THINK STAFF APPRECIATES THE,

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UH, PAYING HOMAGE TO THE HISTORY OF THE SITE.

UH, THE, UNFORTUNATELY, THE HISTORIC CAST WAS REMOVED MANY YEARS AGO.

UM, THE INTENT OF THE, UH, OF THIS DISTRICT IS TO PROMOTE MODERN ARCHITECTURE.

AND LOOKING FORWARD, UH, UH, S IS SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE THERE IS MODERN INTERPRETATIONS OF, UH, HONORING THE PAST WHILE KEEPING WITH THE, UH, INTENT OF THE INNOVATION DISTRICT.

WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.

MR. ALEXANDER, WHAT'S, UH, THIS, UH, MOST OF THESE ARE FOR THE APPLICANT.

WHAT'S THE LENGTH OF TIME FOR THE BUILD OUT? HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE IT TAKE TO BUILD THE MAS TO BUILD WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE PHASED OVER FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS? DO YOU HAVE A, DO YOU HAVE A THINKING ABOUT THAT? UH, HONESTLY WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN DEEP INTO THAT, BUT A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE, I, I DEFINITELY AM THINKING, YEAH, FIVE, SEVEN YEARS.

THE, UM, THE TIMELINE, AND I ASK THIS QUESTION EVERY, EVERY MEETING THE SIGNATURE TRAIL IS BROUGHT UP.

WHEN ARE WE GONNA, I'VE BEEN TOLD, I KEEP HEARING THIS IS A STAFF QUESTION.

I KEEP HEARING IT'S BEING WORKED ON, IT'S BEING WORKED ON.

I THINK IT'S CRITICAL TO THE APPLICANTS 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY, THEIR PARK IS DETERMINATION OF THAT TRAIL.

WHEN ARE WE GONNA KNOW MORE DEFINITIVELY OR THEY GONNA KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE? I SEE SOMEBODY FROM MOBILITY HERE, .

HI, GOOD EVENING.

I'M TINA WITH THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY GROUP AND I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER FOR YOU.

I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DATE, UM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON CLOSELY WITH PLANNING AND WE HAVE A, UH, A STUDY UNDER CONTRACT.

IT'S TO START LAYING OUT WHAT THAT ALIGNMENT WILL BE AND WHAT THOSE FEATURES MIGHT BE.

BUT, UM, THE POINT IS ABSOLUTELY TO ENCOURAGE THAT BIKE WAVE HEADWAY ALL THE WAY THROUGH DUBLIN ON AN EAST WEST CORRIDOR, UM, PREFERABLY AWAY FROM A ROAD RIDE AWAY.

ALRIGHT, THANKS.

I DUNNO IF THAT HELPS YOU, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S CRITICAL.

THANK YOU FOR ASKING.

UM, COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.

YOU, YOU MENTIONED, NOW THIS IS GETTING INTO THE DETAILS, BUT EVERYONE COMES TO OUR, THESE MEETINGS AND THEY SHOW A BUNCH OF TREES.

UM, YOU'VE MENTIONED THE AGRARIAN CHARACTER OF THIS SITE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO, IN SOME WAYS PAY HOMAGE TO THAT.

THE EARLIER PROJECT WAS REALLY ABOUT BEING ENFORCED IN THE WOODS.

IS THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN IN SOME WAYS GONNA REFLECT IN, IN PLANTINGS AND, AND DETAILS AND HOW YOU DEAL WITH THE LANDSCAPE REFLECT THAT? UH, YEAH, A A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT WOULD BE OUR INTENT.

UM, WE'RE OUR, OUR PRACTICE WE DESIGNED WERE, UH, URBAN DESIGNERS, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS AND PLANNERS, SO IT'S SORT OF BUILT IN.

UM, AND THERE'S PROBABLY MORE TREES ON THIS PLAN, UH, THAN WE'VE SEEN ALL NIGHT ON ALL THE OTHER PLANS, .

UH, BUT, AND THERE THERE'S A SENSE OF PRIDE WITH THAT.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK TO YOUR POINT, UH, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO PULL INDIAN RUN INTO THAT CENTRAL SPACE, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT THAT THERE WILL BE A, ALMOST A EXTREMELY NATURAL LANDSCAPE OUT THERE IN THAT QUAD AREA.

THE, THE ONE ROOF OR THE CURBLESS STREET NOW THAT'S ACCESSING SOME PRETTY BIG USES.

HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THAT IN TERMS OF CONTROLLING TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING CUES WITHOUT CURBS? YES.

NOT, NOT IN CENTRAL OHIO, BUT IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY WE HAVE AT SUCCESS.

AND THE LAST QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS YOUR, YOUR PLAN LOOKS LIKE THE MOST, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE HOTEL, THE MOST MASSIVE BUILDINGS, THE TALLEST BUILDINGS WILL NOT BE ON THE PERIMETER FACING THE HEAVY ARTERIALS, BUT IT'LL ACTUALLY BE ON THE INTERIOR FACING THE SPACE YOU HAVE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE WARN ROOF, YOU HAVE, IT LOOKS LIKE A MULTI-LANE.

IS, IS THAT ACCURATE? IS THAT WHAT THAT'S, THAT'S ACCURATE, YEAH.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE TALLER BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE.

THOSE ARE MY INITIAL QUESTIONS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? AND, AND PLEASE KEEP IN MIND WE ARE AT INFORMAL REVIEW AND SO WE'RE LOOKING, I HAD STAFF PRESENT THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT, MS. HARDER, JUST THE THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, PARKING AND OVER BY THE HOTEL AND THINGS OF THAT SORT SEEMS LIKE IT'S FAR.

IS THAT JUST A PRELIMINARY THOUGHT AT THIS POINT? ARE YOU MAKING SOME CONNECTION WITH PARKING? YEAH, UH, APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.

WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

UM, AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE MARKET, NOT, UH,

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UM, AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT.

UH, I THINK THAT SOME OF WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN THIS PLAN NEEDS SOME STUDY AND IT'S PROBABLY PUSHING THE BOUNDARY OF, OF THAT COMFORT.

UM, BUT I, WE ARE ALSO TRYING NOT TO CREATE AN AUTOGENIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO, CAN I, EXCUSE ME, HAVE A FOLLOW UP ON THE PARKING QUESTION.

THE, SO THE GARAGES THAT YOU SHOWED ON THE ONE GRAPHIC THERE SEEMS LIKE SEVERAL 'EM ARE SUB BELOW SURFACE GARAGES, CORRECT? UH, NO, YOU MAY BE, UH, REGISTERING THAT THEY HAVE LIKE LANDSCAPE ON TOP OF THEM.

SO THEY ARE ELEVATED WITH JUST LANDSCAPE ON TOP? YEAH, NO, NO.

BELOW SURFACE PARKING AND ALL THOSE AND ALL THOSE WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUB PUBLIC, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT LIKE IF THERE'S, I GUESS YOU HAVE A COULD FIGURE THAT OUT YET, RIGHT? YEAH, PROBABLY PRETTY EARLY.

BUT FOR INSTANCE, IF ONE IS ADJACENT TO A HOTEL AND A RESIDENTIAL, MAYBE THAT'S PRIVATE AND THAT MAKES SENSE.

UM, IF THERE'S A, A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS, UH, CONDOMINIUMS OR TOWN HOMES OR, UH, APARTMENTS MAYBE PRIVATE TO THAT.

OTHER QUESTIONS? FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? A COUPLE.

UM, MR. DESLER? YES.

DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW THE, THE SIZE OF SOME OF THESE? I THINK OF THE, I WAS READING AT THE HOTEL, YOU'RE THINKING SIX AND EIGHT STORIES, BUT DO YOU KNOW THE DETAIL OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING INITIALLY FROM THE APARTMENT ASPECT? LIKE HOW MANY UNITS IN THE SIZE OF THESE UNITS? UH, WE TOOK A, A STANDARD, UH, KIND OF A FLAT SIZE OF 1200 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WOULD AS AN AVERAGE, UH, WHERE THERE WOULD OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY BE SOME STUDIOS THAT ARE SMALLER THAN THAT AND SOME TWO BEDROOMS OR EVEN THREE BEDROOMS AT A SMALLER QUANTITY THAT ARE BIGGER THAN THAT.

UM, I DON'T HAVE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT UH, IN, IF I HAVE A MINUTE, I CAN TELL YOU THE QUANTITY OF UNITS WE'RE PLANNING FOR.

I'M CURIOUS.

THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING HERE, IT IT, THE, THE TOWN HOMES AND YOU KIND OF, YOU MENTIONED CONDOS.

I DON'T SEE ANY CONDOS ON HERE.

ARE YOU THINKING THAT THERE, THERE POTENTIALLY COULD BE CONDOS OR ARE YOU GONNA LEAVE IT WITH JUST WHAT WALK UP TOWN HOMES FOR NOW WHAT WE'VE SHOWN IS TOWN HOMES ON THAT SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE SITE.

WELL YOU DO.

SO I'M GONNA GO BACK.

YOU JUST MENTIONED CONDOS.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT THINKING NOW THAT THERE COULD BE CONDOS OR THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I THINK, I THINK IT'S REALLY EARLY TO TO KNOW THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, I'M GOOD RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW WHICH COMES EVEN BEFORE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH IS WHERE WE GET OUR CRAYONS OUT.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST KIND OF IMAGINING IN OUR MINDS, UM, AFTER CRAYONS COME OUR DUPE LOW BLOCKS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MASSING, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BLOCK LAYOUT, AND THEN WE GET THE LEGOS OUT.

AND THAT'S OUR, OUR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHEN WE'RE GETTING ALL THE NUTS AND BOLTS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS, WE'RE LOOKING AT WINDOWS, WE'RE LOOKING AT PARKING STRUCTURES, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE DETAILS.

SO CONSIDERING THAT, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION QUESTIONS THAT STAFF HAS BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO PREPARE FOR US, SO WE ARE LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION.

UM, PRIOR TO THAT WE'RE DOING PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT'S LATE.

MY BRAIN'S A LITTLE WACKY.

SO, UH, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION TO COME FORWARD.

SEEING NONE.

HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT? I'LL LET YOU READ THE ONE.

HAD TO DO.

TO DIFFERENTIATE CONTEMPORARY FROM MODERN, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING CONTEMPORARY BUILDINGS THERE.

UM, SO THIS AGAIN WAS FROM LADONNA SMITH AT 66 92 ROUNDSTONE LOOP.

UM, SO THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS RELATED TO THIS WERE AGAIN ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH I'LL ANSWER HERE IN A SECOND.

UM, SAME COMMENTS AS BEFORE, UM, ABOUT THE PURVIEW.

BUT, UM, AND THEN THE, THE OTHER POINT WAS, UM, SHE HAS CONCERNS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT ALONG COSWAY ROAD.

UM, I ALSO SEE AN AMTRAK FACILITY IN THIS AREA IN THE FUTURE CITY PLANNING.

UM, SO THOSE WERE HER TWO COMMENTS.

SO THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE IN DUBLIN CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THANK YOU MS. ROUSH.

ALRIGHT, UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO, UM, DELIBERATION.

MR. ALEXANDER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START US OFF THIS EVENING? , I THINK YOU WERE TRYING TO TELL ME SOMETHING, BUT WITH THOSE PREVIOUS COMMENTS, SO I'LL KEEP IT GENERAL.

UM, YES, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF PROPOSED USE AND MIX, SUPPORTIVE OF THE GENERAL SITE LAYOUT.

I THINK IT, THE LOGIC MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

THE GREEN SPACE IS, IS A GREAT PUBLIC AMENITY THAT THE, THAT THE COMMUNITY IS BEING GIVEN.

I LIKE THE SCALE, THE WAY THE GREEN SPACE POTENTIALLY IS BROKEN DOWN INTO SMALLER SPACE, THE CROSS CONNECTION AND THE USE OF GREEN SPACE TO DO THAT.

IDENTITY AND CHARACTER.

LET'S SEE WHAT THE BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING, I DON'T LIKE THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS USED TRYING

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SO THAT'S MAYBE NOT ON THE APPLICANT.

AND, UM, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE TO NUMBER FIVE, AND I HAVE SAID THIS IN MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SOME HAS HAVE EVEN GIVEN THUMBS UP, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRULY GREEN BUILDINGS IN THE COMMUNITY.

THE COMMUNITY IS MARKETED AS THIS GREEN COMMUNITY, BUT WE DON'T SEE BUILDINGS BEING BUILT THAT HAVE AGGRESSIVE GREEN PRACTICES.

AND I THINK THIS COULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS TO BE A SHOWPLACE OF HOW WE CAN DO SUSTAINABLE, EVEN SOME ZERO, UM, SOME ZERO ENERGY USE, ENERGY CONSUMING BUILDINGS.

UM, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SHOWCASE THAT HERE.

AND THERE'S SOME INTEREST, I THINK, IN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TOO, SEEING THAT AND HELPING THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER.

MR. DASHER? YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO WHAT GARY WAS SAYING, I I THINK THIS SPACE NEEDS SOMETHING WHERE IT'S LOCATED.

UM, I LIKE THE MIXED USE.

AGAIN, I, I DON'T WANNA GET AHEAD OF MYSELF WITH SPECIFIC DETAILS.

I, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THERE COULD BE HOTELS WITH SOME LIGHT, YOU KNOW, RETAIL.

I'M A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT, THE DENSITY SHOWING OF THE APARTMENTS.

SO I KNOW THAT'S GONNA BE COMING JUST FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

I DO LIKE A LOT OF THE GREEN SPACE.

UM, THE SITE LAYOUT.

AGAIN, I THINK SOMETHING TO COME, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT LOOKS, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME DIVISIONS.

UH, I'M, I'M NOT SOLD, UH, SPECIFICALLY ON THE, THE CURBLESS STREET, BUT AGAIN, I'M, I'M, I'M OPEN FOR CONSIDERATION.

UM, AND I DO AGREE WITH GARY ABOUT THE, THE FACT THAT THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY EXPLORE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR SUSTAINABILITY.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, THIS MIXED USE AREA.

THANK YOU MR. NESTLER.

MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR, UH, BEING HERE AND STAYING SO LATE WITH US AND GIVING SUCH A NICE REPORT.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, AGAIN, I'M ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROPOSAL, UM, WITH THE MIXED USE SPACE.

I LIKE, UM, HOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WALKING MINUTES AWAY FROM THINGS, KEEP TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT KEEPS CONNECTING EVERYBODY.

THE GENERAL SITE, UM, OUTLAY IS FINE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP WORKING ON, I SHOULD SAY.

UM, BUT THINKING ABOUT THAT BEING CONNECTIVE BIKE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

UM, BUT IT'S ABOUT ALSO SAFETY.

UH, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE, I MEAN IT'S FAST, LARGE TRUCKS MOVING, UM, AND ROUND THE ROUNDABOUTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, MAKING IT, UM, THAT IT'S SAFE FOR THE PEDESTRIANS AND SO FORTH.

'CAUSE THEY WANNA GET AROUND ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS.

UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, I LIKE THAT YOU MENTIONED TONIGHT THE HISTORICAL RELEVANCE.

THE MORE YOU CAN PUT IN WITH THAT, UM, HELPS, EXCUSE ME, HELPS AS WELL TOO.

AND THEN, UM, THE PARKING GARAGES, I THINK YOU NEED TO RE-LOOK AT THAT.

UM, LESS SURFACE, BUT, UM, PARKING, UH, IS UH, ESPECIALLY FOR THE APARTMENTS, MAYBE THERE'S CONNECTION TO THEM A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

UH, RAMPS AND THINGS OR UM, LITTLE BRIDGES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.

UM, AND UM, THE OPEN SPACE, UH, FRAMEWORK, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT YOURSELF WITH WHAT'S GOING WITH OU.

AND UM, THAT MAY BE WATER FEATURES THAT MAY BE FINDING SOMETHING THEY'RE DOING AND CONNECTING IT.

IT MAY BE ART, IT MAY BE, UM, DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES WHERE YOU'RE LITTLE STUDY SECTIONS AND SO FORTH.

LIKE THAT, UH, LITTLE OASIS.

AND, UH, JUST LOOKING FOR THAT SOMETHING SPECIAL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I APPRECIATE SEEING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW NOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT CREATIVITY.

GREAT LOVE THE LOVE THE CONNECTIVITY.

THANK YOU MS. HARDER, MR. CHINO.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

I AGREE.

I I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME COMMENT.

I THINK WE, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THE CREATIVITY AND TRYING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, CREATING SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL.

I THANK YOU'VE, YOU'VE CHECKED ALL THOSE BOXES HERE.

YOU'VE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION, SHOWING YOUR THOUGHT BEHIND EVERYTHING.

AND IT'S VERY PURPOSEFUL EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE HERE.

AND, UM, SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF, OF THE DIRECTION.

UM, TO, TO THE SUSTAINABILITY POINT.

WE TALK A LOT ABOUT WALKABLE COMMUNITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT WOULD BE REALLY, THIS COULD BE A FLAGSHIP FOR US TO SAY, HEY, YOU CAN, THIS IS ALMOST A SELF-SUSTAINING COMMUNITY WHERE YOU CAN PUT SOME CONVENIENCE RETAIL, YOU CAN PUT SOME, I KNOW THERE'S ALDI AND COSTCO ACROSS THE STREET, BUT IT COULD BE A TRULY WALKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUST LIVE, PLAY, EAT THERE, EVERYTHING CAN HAPPEN THERE.

IT'S GOT ALL THE, ALL THE, UH, FRAMEWORK FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEN A AGAIN, THE GREEN SPACE IS, IS

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I WOULD JUST BE CAUTIOUS OF MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT PO YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU APPROACH THE SITE, AND I'M NOT TELLING YOU ANYTHING YOU DON'T KNOW, BUT WHEN YOU APPROACH THE SITE FROM THESE, FROM PLAIN CITY OR EVEN FROM 33, THERE'S JUST SOME FEATURED, YOU KNOW, GATEWAY FEATURES AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I JUST DON'T FORGET ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU APPROACH THE SITE FOCUSING SO MUCH ON THE, IN, IN INTERNALLY OF THE SITE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

UM, AND THEN THE STAFF, THE STAFF, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT 1 61 IN COS GRAY BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR WITH ANY OF THIS.

'CAUSE THIS ISN'T GONNA BE VERY FEASIBLE IF WE DON'T IMPROVE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE NOW.

AND I'M SURE THAT'S IN THE WORKS.

I'M SURE TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE GONNA BE DONE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S BEEN THROUGH THERE BEFORE AND I KNOW WE'RE, ITS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT'S, IT'S AWFUL.

AND TO BRING THIS AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THERE, UM, WE JUST, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE AS A, TO BE, TO BE FAIR TO THE DEVELOPMENT, TO BE FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE GOTTA FIGURE THAT CORRIDOR OUT BEFORE THIS GOES TOO FAR.

THANK YOU MR. CHINO.

I'LL WRAP US UP.

I'LL TRY TO BE SUCCINCT.

YOU HAVE IMPECCABLE TIMING.

UH, THE CHANGE BETWEEN THE USE WITH THE ENVISION DUBLIN PLAN.

THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

AND SO IT'S REALLY EARLY.

WE'RE ALL IN OUR IMAGINATION STILL AND WHO, WHO KNOWS HOW THE MARKET'S GONNA DRIVE THIS? AND WE MAY HAVE AN AMBITION, UH, YOU KNOW, HEY, IT'S GONNA BUILD OUT IN SEVEN YEARS.

IT MAY BUILD OUT IN THREE, IT MAY BE OUT IN 20.

WHO REALLY KNOWS.

AND SO, UM, I, I THINK IT'S AN INTRIGUING DESIGN.

I THINK IT'S, IT'S A WONDERFUL, UH, HOMAGE TO HISTORY AND A LOOK FORWARD TO INTO THE FUTURE.

I ALSO THINK, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE IMPECCABLE TIMING EVEN FOR OUR ADJACENT CITY.

SO JEROME VILLAGE IS DOING THEIR UPDATES AND THIS TYPE OF PLAN COULD INFLUENCE HOW THEIR CITY DEVELOPS ALSO.

SO YOU COULD HAVE INFLUENCE OUTSIDE OF OUR OWN HOME OF DUBLIN, WHICH IS KIND OF A WONDERFUL PLACE TO BE.

UM, WITH THAT I AM ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED USES AND MIX.

WE'RE AGAIN, VERY EARLY.

UH, THE GENERAL SITE LAYOUT, THE OPEN SPACE.

I THINK THAT YOU'VE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB WITH THE, THE KIND OF BELT DOWN THE MIDDLE, UH, AND LOVE THAT THE SIGNATURE TRAIL AND, AND INDIAN RUN AND ALL OF THOSE ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN.

I ALSO ECHO THE, THE LEAD SUSTAINABILITY TYPE ANGLE.

THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY COOL THING TO DO.

AND SO THIS BODY ISN'T, UM, IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW FOR COUPLING WITH THE CITY, FOR ANY OF THOSE ENTITIES.

BUT WE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH STAFF AND THEY CAN DIRECT YOU TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE AT THE CITY TO HELP WITH THAT.

WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU SEEK FROM THE COMMISSION, ANY CLARIFICATIONS THAT YOU SEEK FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE, UM, MOVING FORWARD? UH, FOR ME, UH, WAIT, I'LL JUST MENTION WE ARE, ONE OF THE THINGS TONY MENTIONED THE OLD ORIGINAL HOUSE.

WE DO HAVE A REPLICA PLAN.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE STRUCTURES ACTUALLY WHEN YOU ENTER OFF 1 61, IF, IF I COULD HAVE, WELL ACTUALLY I'LL JUST REPEAT THAT.

UH, IF YOU DO ACTUALLY LOOK, 'CAUSE I SAW, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS, I DON'T THINK TONY CALLED IT OUT, BUT WE DO HAVE THE REPLICA OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT STOOD.

SO ONE OF THOSE STRUCTURES THAT IS PROPOSED IN THE GREEN SPACE UP THERE IS A REPLICA OF THAT ORIGINAL HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.

WOULDN'T THAT BE COOL TO TURN INTO A, SO KIND TO USE THAT AS LIKE AN AMENITY PART OF IT? YEAH, A COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

EXACTLY.

WOULDN'T THAT BE COOL? EXACTLY.

ALRIGHT, JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT 'CAUSE I DIDN'T, DON'T THINK WE SAID THAT.

SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME AND WE APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.

WE APPRECIATE YOU.

WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE YOU.

YOU WAS SUCH A WONDERFUL, UH, NIGHT.

UM, WE LOOK TO STAFF TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS AFTER CALLING MR WAY IN FROM HIS RECUSAL SPACE.

AND MS. BEAL, THE APPLICANT JUST THANKED US FOR OUR INSIGHT.

THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.

UH, WITH THAT,

[COMMUNICATIONS]

WE DON'T WANNA CALL THAT THE TIMEOUT CHAIR OR ANYTHING.

YEAH, IT'S LATE.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SPENDING A LONG THURSDAY EVENING WITH US.

WE APPRECIATE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

WE AP APPRECIATE HAVING ALL OF YOU HERE TONIGHT.

IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT OUR CHAIRS FILL UP AND SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ALRIGHT, SO I JUST HAVE SOME COUPLE QUICK, UM, UPDATES.

SO, UM, YOU HEARD MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES TONIGHT, UM, THAT THE ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, WAS INTRODUCED TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL ON MONDAY WITH THEN THE SECOND READING, PUBLIC HEARING, UM, BEING JULY 1ST.

SO THAT'S REALLY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR THAT TO COME TO FRUITION.

UM, AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO START USING THAT EVEN MORE SO, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO, UM, WE'LL DEFINITELY BE LOOKING AT INCORPORATING THAT IN YOUR REPORTS, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, WITH THAT PROJECT.

SO IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR QUESTIONS OR THINGS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE

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INCLUDED, DEFINITELY WANT TO HEAR THAT FROM YOU AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, WITH, WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN.

UM, AND THAT SORT OF SEGUES INTO, UM, A LARGER DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

SO A NUMBER OF PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, UM, TOOK PART IN, UM, AN INITIAL DISCUSSION THAT WE ARE HAVING, UM, WITH STAFF BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBERS, DEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONALS, DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, UM, OVER, WE HAD THAT MAYBE LIKE OVER A MONTH OR SO AGO, AN INITIAL SESSION TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, HOW THAT CAN BE BETTER, WHAT WE'RE DOING WELL, WHAT WE CAN WORK ON, WHAT ARE SOME BENCHMARK CITIES WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, OR EXPERIENCES THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE THAT REVIEW PROCESS, UM, GO SMOOTHER.

UM, SO WE'LL BE PROVIDING, UM, HERE AT ONE OF YOUR UPCOMING MEETINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THE OUTCOMES OF THOSE ARE.

SO THERE'S SOME GOALS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THAT LITTLE THINGS THAT WE CAN TWEAK INITIALLY AND THEN SOME THINGS THAT ARE GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

UM, ONE OF THOSE TOPICS DEFINITELY IS STAFF REPORTS AND INFORMATION THAT'S PRESENTED TO YOU ALL.

SO AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT OR FUTURE MEETINGS, WHAT ARE, AND WITH OUR NEW MEMBERS, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, WHEN WE MET WITH THEM EARLIER THIS WEEK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE PROVIDE A LOT OF INFORMATION.

IS IT USEFUL, IS IT NOT USEFUL? OR COULD WE BE MORE SUCCINCT? COULD WE PROVIDE MORE OF SOMETHING VERSUS ANOTHER? SO I DEFINITELY, UM, AT SOME POINT HERE, LIKE I SAID, WE WILL ENGAGE YOU IN A MORE MEANINGFUL WAY, BUT JUST WANTED TO PLANT THAT SEED THAT WE REALLY NEED YOUR FEEDBACK TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING HELPS YOU DO YOUR JOB.

SO, UM, SO STAY TUNED ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN MY ONLY OTHER THING IS, UM, OUR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR JULY 11TH.

WE'LL SEE, UM, CASE WISE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OR MAYBE THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE REVIEW PROCESS.

SO THAT'S ALL I GOT.

AND THEN WHEN IS OUR NEXT WALKING TOUR SCHEDULED? I, I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR SCHEDULE AND SEE, I THINK WE KICKED THAT TO THE FALL TIMEFRAME.

UM, SO WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT THAT.

THERE IS, UM, OUR JOINT BOARD AND COMMISSION TRAINING IN AUGUST AND THEN IN SEPTEMBER I BELIEVE IS THE JOINT WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL.

SO WE'LL BE WORKING ON DETAILS FOR THAT, BUT ALSO BE THINKING ABOUT IF THERE'S THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS EITHER WITH THE OTHER BOARDS, UM, AND COMMISSIONS AND OR COUNCIL.

UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT TOO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS TOO.

MS. CARTER, UM, WE'RE IN NEED OF A VICE CHAIR AND WANTED TO SEE WHEN THE NEXT TIME WE YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT THE NEXT MEETING FOR MEETING.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH, ONCE DAN IS HERE SO WE'LL HAVE A THIRD MEMBER.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

WE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAD EVERYBODY, SO YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.

NO, APPRECIATE THAT.