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          GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          YOU CAN JOIN THE, THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE, AND ALSO ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING IN COMMENTS ON CASES, AND WELCOME YOU WITH US THIS EVENING AT THIS TIME. 
          IF YOU WILL, PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. 
          ONE NATION UNDERGONE INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE PEARL. 
          THANK YOU, MS. BEAL. 
          WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OUR ROLE THIS EVENING, MS. HARDER? HERE. 
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          MR. WE HERE. 
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          MS. CALL HERE. 
          THANK YOU, MS. BEAL. 
          UM, AT 
          [ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
THIS TIME I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE, THE RECORD. 
          SO MOVED. 
          THANK YOU MR. AK. 
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          THANK YOU, MR. FISHMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. FISHMAN. 
          MS. BEAL. 
          MR. WE? YES. 
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          MS. COLE? YES. 
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          THANK YOU, MS. BEAL. 
          THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN PLANNING A PROPERTY AND REZONING ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION. 
          IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          IN OTHER CASES, THE THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY IN ANY OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES. 
          WE ARE SWEARING IN TONIGHT. 
          WE ONLY HAVE TWO INFORMAL REVIEWS, SO THERE WILL BE NO SWEARING IN THIS EVENING. 
          THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM THE FORMAT FOR THIS EVENING WILL BE THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE, FOLLOWED BY A STAFF ANALYSIS AND A RECOMMENDATION. 
          THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND OF STAFF. 
          WE WILL THEN FOLLOW THAT WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, WE WILL DISCUSS THE TWO INFORMAL REVIEWS ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          HERE, YOU'LL BE INSTRUCTED TO PRESS THE BUTTON TO ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT ON THE MICROPHONE IS ON. 
          AS YOU SEE ON MY MIC MICROPHONE, WE DO REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES ALLOWING FOR EVERYONE TO SPEAK. 
          WE HAVE ALSO RECEIVED A COUPLE OF PUBLIC COMMENTS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, AND ONE MORE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING THAT WILL BE READ INTO THE RECORD. 
          [Case #24-007CP]
WE WILL NOT BE DISCUSSING CASE 24 DASH 0 0 7 ENROLLED PARKWAY THIS EVENING. 
          IT HAS BEEN TABLED BY REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE WILL PROCEED WITH OUR CASE REVIEW. 
          THE 
          [Case #24-026INF]
FIRST ONE IS CASE 24 DASH 26 INF, AN INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK ON A FUTURE MEMORIAL GARDEN AND CEMETERY PRESERVE TO SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD EXISTING CHURCH. 
          THE FIVE, APPROXIMATELY 5.4 ACRE AND 5.47 ACRE SITES ARE ZONED. 
          R TWO, LIMITED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND R ONE B WT WP LIMITED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND ARE LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE ROUNDABOUT OF RINGS ROAD AND NORTON STREET IS THE APPLICANT HERE IN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION? WELCOME. 
          IF YOU COULD PRESS THE BUTTON. 
          YOUR GREEN LIGHT IS NOW ON, AND IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          OKAY. 
          MY NAME IS ERNIE ROBERTSON. 
          I'M A MEMBER OF ST. 
          JOHN LUTHERAN CHURCH FOR, FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          I HAVE WITH ME THIS EVENING. 
          UH, DAVEON DAVE IS OUR PLANNER HELPING US ON THIS PROJECT. 
          HE IS THE, UM, THE PARTNER AND THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FROM G TWO PLUS PLANNING AND DESIGN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR A PRESENTATION. 
          OF COURSE, STAFF IS HERE TO ASSIST AS NEEDED. 
          DO YOU WANT, OKAY. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE, THE TIME TO BE ON YOUR AGENDA THIS EVENING AND FOR A FEW MINUTES TO, UH, SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE, UH, UM, CONCEPTS AND IDEAS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THIS PROJECT FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW. 
          UM, WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UH, KIND OF JUST GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY, I HOPE OF, UH, ALL OF THE, UH, UH, IMAGES YOU'RE GONNA SEE UP HERE. 
          AND THEN, UM, DAVE AND I WILL TRY TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS AND ANSWER ANY, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          WITH THAT SAID, THE FIRST IMAGE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, UP, UP HERE IS, UM, 
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SHOWING YOU THAT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR TRACK, UM, ACTUALLY THIS, THIS TRACK IS, UM, FOR ZONE SUB ZONE A. 
          THE SPACE ITSELF IS ABOUT, THE TOTAL SPACE IS ABOUT 11 ACRES. 
          UH, CONTAINS TWO PARCELS OF LAND JUST EAST OF THE CHURCH. 
          IT RUNS FROM RINGS ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN SOUTH TO COTEN, BCH PARK FOR BO BOTH PARCELS. 
          UH, THE SPACE AND THE IMAGE YOU SEE HERE, UH, IS ABOUT HALF OF THAT, OR ROUGHLY FIVE, FIVE AND A HALF ACRES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF THE, UM, THE SUB ZONE, A INITIAL START, UH, THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH, WITH OUR SPACE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS FROM THE VERY GET GO, FROM OUR TIME THAT WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WE HAVE SAID, UH, WE'VE OWNED THIS SPACE FOR A LONG TIME, THAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND PRESERVE, UM, THIS SPACE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AS IS IT'S A BEAU BEAUTIFUL, RURAL, UM, SPACE. 
          AND WE HOPE TO, UH, IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME DEVELOPING ON IT AND MAINTAIN THAT, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, I WANT SWITCH THAT NEXT IMAGE. 
          UM, WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, THERE IS, UM, KIND OF A, UH, THOROUGHFARE, UH, USAGE, UM, FORMAT ON THE, THE TWO PARCELS. 
          AND SO YOU DO SEE WHERE THE CHURCH IS LOCATED. 
          YOU SEE THE CHURCH PARKING LOT AND, UM, THE, THE TWO PARCELS, SIX, 6,001 AND, UM, 6,041. 
          UM, THE BLUE LINE THROUGH OUR SPACE REALLY, UM, HAS COME ABOUT SINCE OUR LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, WE LISTENED TO SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS AND, UH, WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR PLAN. 
          AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS SORT OF, UM, ADJUSTED OUR INITIAL THINKING AND WE HAVE PUSHED, UH, OUR, OUR, UH, TRAFFIC FLOW ACROSS THE SPACE ACROSS BOTH PARCELS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LINK, UH, CLEAR OVER TO THE, UH, CHURCH PARKING LOT TO THE WEST. 
          THAT WOULD BE NEW ROAD THAT WE WOULD BE ADDING. 
          AND THE CONCEPT BEHIND THAT IS WE WANT TO REALLY, UM, DRIVE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC AND THE VOLUME AND ACTIVITY AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE, THE IMMEDIATE EAST OF THE 6,001 PROPERTY. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS, IS BRING TRAFFIC IN THROUGH OUR MAIN ENTRANCE AT THE CHURCH, UH, INTO THE PARKING LOT. 
          WE WOULD, UH, HAVE THIS NEW EXTENDED ROAD ACROSS THE BACK BEHIND OUR COMMUNITY GARDENS AND ENTER INTO THE MEMORIAL SPACE WHERE YOU SEE AT THE PROPERTY LINE AT 60 41, UH, THAT ROAD DIVE SOUTH LETS US WORK AROUND TO THE BACKSIDE, CAN COME BACK OUT AND EXIT THE SAME WAY. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THE ROAD DOES CUT ACROSS THE, UH, SITE AND CAN GO UP TO THE, UH, 6,001 GATE, GATE AREA. 
          AND, UM, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, UH, THAT WILL BE A LIMITED ACCESS AREA TYPES, UM, ENTRANCE. 
          NOW, UM, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE LIKELY USED FOR EXIT. 
          UM, BUT MOST OF THE ACTIVITY WOULD BE DRIVEN FROM THE RINGS ROAD IN THE CHURCH PARKING LOT NEW ROAD TO THE WEST OF 60 41. 
          SO THAT IS ONE CHANGE WE WANTED TO MAKE, UH, CLEAR THAT, UH, WE HAVE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR, BUT THAT, AND WE'VE, WE'VE MADE THAT ADJUSTMENT. 
          UH, LET'S SEE HERE. 
          WHERE ARE WE? UM, DAVE, LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN. 
          THESE ARE REALLY JUST, UH, IMAGES THAT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU. 
          IT'S SOMETIMES HARD AND, AND DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN IN WORDS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU SOME DIFFERENT CONCEPTS FOR WHERE WE SEE THINGS GOING AND HOW WE SEE THINGS BEING DEVELOPED. 
          UM, WE INTEND TO, UH, LIMIT, UH, THE TYPES OF STONES AND THE SIZE OF STONES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THESE STONES ARE ON SITE. 
          THIS WILL NOT BE YOUR TRADITIONAL TYPE OF, OF CEMETERY SPACE. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW YOU HERE. 
          EXAMPLES ON THE LEFT ARE SOME SMALLER STONES. 
          WE WILL HAVE, UH, SOME ABOVE GROUND STONES, BUT THERE'LL BE SMALLER IN NATURE, PROBABLY IN GROUPINGS LIKE YOU SEE THIS, BUT MAYBE NOT THAT BIG OF A MASS. 
          UM, WE'LL CERTAINLY BE UTILIZING ORNAMENTAL TREES AND OTHER THINGS AROUND THOSE STONES, UH, TO SOFTEN THAT EFFECT A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE IT, UH, FIT WITH THE SURROUNDINGS. 
          ALSO, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU SEE, AND, AND SOMETHING PRETTY IMPORTANT IS OUR SPACE AT ONE TIME WAS A HORSE FARM. 
          SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PASTURE AREA AND, UH, WE WANNA MAINTAIN THAT. 
          IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, AS I SAID, TRANQUIL, PEACEFUL AREA. 
          WE WANNA MAINTAIN THAT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A NEED AND WANNA PUT SOME OF OUR MEMORIALS IN THAT SPACE. 
          THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE LIKELY, THOSE PASTURE AREAS ARE GONNA BE, UH, MAINTAIN THAT WAY. 
          AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE FLUSH GROUND MARKERS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IN A COUPLE OF THE PICTURES UP HERE. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY OTHER TYPES OF, VARIOUS TYPES OF HYBRID BURIALS, COLUMN BARIUM, TRADITIONAL NATURAL, UH, 
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THERE'LL BE SOME, UH, VARIOUS TYPES OF SMALL URN TYPES OF BURIALS AVAILABLE IN THE SPACE TOO. 
          OKAY, NEXT ONE. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          YEAH, UH, THESE ARE JUST A FEW MORE EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE THINGS WE WERE THINKING THAT MIGHT BE, UH, APPLIED TO WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF DOING. 
          WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GREEN SPACE, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE PRETTY MUCH JUST CUTTING THAT, KEEPING IT SHORT. 
          UM, BUT, UH, IT COULD BE DEVELOPED OVER TIME TO BE MORE LIKE WHAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT WHERE YOU'D HAVE MORE NATURAL MEADOW TYPE AREAS. 
          THAT CERTAINLY FITS WITH NATURAL BURIALS. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD COME DOWN THE ROAD. 
          UH, PICTURES IN THE FRONT AND MIDDLE, UM, THE ONE ON TOP THERE IS A, UH, A PICTURE OF, UH, AN IMAGE OF THE CREEK. 
          AND THIS IS NOT OUR CREEK. 
          IT HAPPENS TO BE IN MARYSVILLE, BUT IT, IT FITS PERFECTLY WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING. 
          WE HAVE A CREEK ON SITE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, AND IT, UH, RIGHT NOW IS HEAVILY, UH, INFESTED WITH, UM, HONEYSUCKLE. 
          AND SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, OF LOOKING AT CLEANING THAT OUT. 
          ULTIMATELY, WE WANT TO CLEAN THAT OUT. 
          IT DOES JUST CHOKE EVERYTHING OFF, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP SO YOU CAN SEE THIS NICE ENVIRONMENT, MENTAL FEATURE. 
          AND IN ADDITION, BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH TO BOTH SIDES AND HAVE VISUAL AND PHYSICAL LINK TO BOTH SIDES OF THE SITE. 
          UH, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF WOODED AREAS, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF, UM, NATURAL GREEN POCKETS. 
          UM, LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPENING IN THESE SPACES, UNIQUE AND SPECIAL IN DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          UM, ALL WILL BE ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS AND IN DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT WE'LL BE DEVELOPING SPACES THAT'LL LOOK, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE SHOWN UP HERE ON THE SCREEN. 
          NEXT SLIDE, DAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SHOT IS A BUBBLE DIAGRAM AND IT'S REALLY JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE ZONES. 
          I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, ONE THROUGH EIGHT THINGS LISTED ON THE SIDES THERE. 
          YOU CAN READ THOSE YOURSELF, BUT, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF, OF PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO OR ZONE SUB SUB A ZONE AND, UM, SUB B ZONE. 
          AND SO ONE THROUGH SEVEN WOULD BE IN UNDER THE SUB A ZONE. 
          ONE IS THE EXISTING, UH, 60 41 PROPERTY. 
          THERE'S A HOUSE AND THERE'S A GARAGE THERE. 
          CURRENTLY THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE. 
          UH, TWO IS PRETTY MUCH, UH, AN AREA THAT IS LARGELY, UM, PASTURE AND LARGE TREES AND ESTABLISHED, AND WE WANNA MAINTAIN THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          THIS WILL BE A HYBRID TYPE USE SPACE. 
          AND, UH, THREE IS KIND OF A WIDE OPEN SPACE BEHIND THE CURRENT HOUSE AND GARAGE. 
          THIS IS LIKELY TO WHERE WE'LL HAVE SOME OF OUR TRADITIONAL TYPES OF BURIALS. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL AND, AND HOWL AND WHERE WE PLACE THOSE AND SIZES OF STONES AND ALL THAT. 
          BUT HERE'S WHERE WE MOST LIKELY WILL HAVE SOME OF THAT. 
          AND ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT IS THAT IT IS FURTHEST WEST ON OUR, OUR TWO PARCELS, UH, FURTHER AWAY FROM, UM, THE FOLKS WHO LIVE TO THE EAST OF US AND FURTHER BEHIND A LOT OF TREES AND OTHER STRUCTURES. 
          SO NOT REALLY VISIBLE TO THE RINGS ROAD FOLKS. 
          AND, UH, OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST, THE ONLY PLACE THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE VISIBLE IS, UH, OVER AT THE CHURCH, WHICH IS A CHURCH PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY. 
          SO NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          ZONE FOUR IS REALLY THE, UH, THE FLOODPLAINS AND ZONES, UH, DEALING WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, UNIQUE KINDS OF LITTLE SPACES WE HAVE GOING ON AROUND THAT CREEK. 
          AND IT'S REALLY, THERE'S SOME COOL AREAS THERE. 
          WE INTEND TO UTILIZE THAT FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, BURIAL OPTIONS. 
          UH, OFF TO THE LEFT, NUMBER FOUR IS THE WOODED AREA THAT RUNS ALONG THE PERIMETER THERE. 
          AND, UH, NUMBER FIVE IS, UM, KIND OF THE BACK ZONE OF SONA PHASE ONE, IF YOU WILL. 
          IT'S PRETTY MUCH WIDE OPEN, SUNNY, AND THAT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A MEADOW NATURAL AREA, AND WE'LL, WE'LL FIT WELL WITH OUR NATURAL TYPE BURIAL ARRANGEMENT AND OUR, UM, OUR TRADITIONAL SPACES. 
          UH, ONE KEY THING THAT I WANNA POINT OUT, UH, IS, UH, ZONE SIX, THAT ONE RUNS, UH, THE ENTIRE DISTANCE ALONG OUR PROPERTY AND, UM, IS BETWEEN US AND OUR MOST IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST. 
          AND WE CLEARLY HEAR THAT, HEARD THAT, THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS A CONCERN WAS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL ACTIVITY AND TRAFFIC AND VOLUME OVER THERE. 
          SO WE HAVE, UM, DEVELOPED THAT AS A BUFFER ZONE, UH, TO GIVE OUR NEIGHBOR AS MUCH POSSIBLE PHYSICAL AND VISUAL, UH, BUFFER AS AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE AN EVERGREEN TYPE OF SCREEN. 
          THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT ARE LARGER, WE COULD POSSIBLY DO SOME ADDITIONAL FILL WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, NATIVE SHRUBS TO GIVE SOME DIFFERENT, UH, UH, SEASONAL COLOR AND LOOK, AND, AND TOGETHER WE, UH, SHOULD BE ABLE TO, TO MAKE THAT PRETTY THICK THROUGH THERE AND PROVIDE THAT KIND OF, UM, VISUAL SCREEN AND, UM, UM, 
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THAT SEPARATION THAT, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          AND IT WILL REALLY SEPARATE BOTH SPACES WHEN YOU'RE IN OURS. 
          YOU'LL REALIZE, HEY, THERE'S NO REASON TO GO OVER THERE. 
          CAN'T GET THROUGH THERE. 
          IT'S, IT'S SOLID AND VICE VERSA. 
          UH, ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, THAT SCREEN, THAT SCREEN DOES CARRY THROUGH UP TO RINGS ROAD. 
          YOU SEE THAT LITTLE BROWN SLICE UP ABOVE NUMBER TWO THERE. 
          UM, THE REASON IT'S THERE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, JUST A SMALL AREA THAT HAS SOME TREES IN THERE ALREADY, BUT THEN FROM ABOUT THE HALFWAY POINT OVER TO THE NUMBER ONE BUBBLE, UH, THAT AREA IS KIND OF OPEN AND, UH, VISIBLE TO THE HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SO WE WILL CONTINUE THAT SCREEN, UH, INTEND TO CONTINUE THAT SCREEN ACROSS THE FRONT AND PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE, UM, PRIVACY, UH, BOTH LOOKING INTO OUR SPACE AND FOR PEOPLE WITHIN OUR SPACE. 
          UH, NUMBER SEVEN IS REALLY JUST A HOLDING PLACE, IF YOU WILL, THAT THAT IS WHERE THE, UH, ORIGINAL CHURCH RESIDENCE WAS. 
          WE HAD A HOUSE THAT WAS THERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          IT'S BEEN GONE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS, TRAGICALLY, UM, HAD TO BE, UH, DEMOLISHED. 
          AND SO WE HAVE NOTHING THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, BUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT ZONED FOR THAT. 
          AND WE DID HAVE A HOUSE THERE. 
          UM, THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AGAIN, WE HAVE NO IMMEDIATE PLANS, NO APPROPRIATIONS FOR IT, NONE OF THAT. 
          BUT, UM, WHEN WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY WITH TAYLOR, UH, WE WERE ADVISED THAT IF THAT EVER HAP COULD HAPPEN AGAIN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE NOTE OF IT AND PUT IT IN OUR PLAN. 
          SO IT'S LISTED THERE AS TO WHERE IT USED TO BE AND WHERE IT WOULD BE IF WE EVER WOULD REVISIT THAT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE WE HAVE ZERO PLANS AT THIS POINT IN TIME FOR DOING THAT. 
          THAT LANE DOES STILL EXIST THERE. 
          AND THAT LANE PRIMARILY, UM, WILL BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES, WHICH WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING TO BRING MOWERS BACK THERE. 
          UM, GOLF CARTS WE'VE HAD RECENTLY SOME WINDS AND TREE LIMBS COME DOWN, THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT IT REALLY WON'T BE USED. 
          IT'S A PRIVATE LANE AND THERE'S NO RESIDENCE THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND FINALLY, UH, ZONE EIGHT, THAT'S REALLY A FUTURE ZONE AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, SUB ZONE B. 
          AND UH, THAT ONE IS PRIMARILY OPEN SPACE. 
          THIS I THINK WAS WHERE A LOT OF THE HORSE FARM, UH, EXISTED. 
          AND, UH, CURRENTLY IT IS GREEN SPACE. 
          IT IS CURRENTLY BEING USED BY SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTHEAST AS A CRICKET FIELD. 
          UM, WE HAVE NO, NO AGREEMENT OR ARRANGEMENT WITH 'EM FOR THAT. 
          WE'VE JUST ALLOWED THEM TO USE IT. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE, UH, 2013 OR SO. 
          SO, UH, THAT COULD CHANGE AT ANY TIME, BUT CURRENTLY THAT'S HOW IT'S BEING USED. 
          WE WOULD SEE THIS AS FUTURE PARK SPACE OR IF WE EVER NEED TO, UM, ADVANCE OR MOVE OUT OF OUR, UM, SUB ZONE A, UH, SPACE AND EXPAND, THEN, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE OWN THAT LAND BACK THERE, SO WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          UM, BUT IT IS CONSIDERED, AND WE CONSIDER IT TO BE PARK SPACE AND WOULD OPERATE UNDER THE SAME PREMISE THAT IT WOULD BE PRESERVE THE SPACE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA AS, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING AROUND US IS CHANGING. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE AREAS LIKE THAT IN THE CITY. 
          AND SO WE'RE GONNA TRY AND PRESER PRESERVE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND, UM, MAKE IT PARK LIKE POSSIBLY COULD EVEN INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL HYBRID SCATTER GARDEN, WHAT HAVE YOU DOWN THE ROAD. 
          UH, I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH, THAT, UH, THAT'S NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN ON OUR PART ANYTIME SOON BECAUSE WHAT YOU SEE IN, IN THE SUB ZONE, A UP AT THE TOP THERE, UM, THAT'S PLENTY OF SPACE FOR US FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SPACE DEDICATED FOR ST. 
          JOHN MEMBERS, AND WE'RE AVERAGING ABOUT A DOZEN BURIALS A YEAR, GIVE OR TAKE A FEW, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          SO, UH, POTENTIALLY MANY, MANY YEARS BEFORE WE HAVE A NEED TO GET THERE, UNLESS THINGS CHANGE, DEMAND FOR NATURAL GREEN AREAS AND BURIAL SPACES, WHICH COULD HAPPEN. 
          THERE IS A TREND THAT DIRECTION, BUT, UM, IT'S JUST A FUTURE OPTION FOR US. 
          UH, BOTTOM LINE IS, UH, WHATEVER, HOWEVER THAT GETS DEVELOPED, WHETHER WE'RE DOING IT, WHETHER WE DO IT WITH A PARTNERSHIP, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AROUND THAT AT ONE POINT IN TIME. 
          UM, EITHER FOR PARK SPACE AND OR HYBRID, UH, BURIAL SPACE OR WHETHER WE WOULD WORK WITH A FRATERNAL ORGANIZATION OR SOMEBODY LIKE, UM, VFW OR UM, FIRST RESPONDERS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMMUNITIES AND ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE FACING THE SAME NEED THAT WE'VE GOT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY LOCAL BURIAL SPACE AND THE NEEDS CONTINUE TO COME UP AND PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO GO FURTHER AND FURTHER OUT. 
          WE COULD POTENTIALLY LEASE SOME SPACE TO SOME ORGANIZATION LIKE THAT AND THEY COULD PUT IN COLUMN BARIUM WALLS OR SOMETHING, AND WE COULD ADDRESS THAT, UH, CONCERN AND OPTION AND DO THAT, UH, AS A COMMUNITY TYPE EVENT. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE AT, WHERE I THINK MAYBE THERE'S ONE MORE SLIDE, DAVE, MAYBE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE LAST ONE IS, UM, JUST KIND OF THE DETAILED MAP, IF YOU WILL. 
          THIS SHOWS ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT POTENTIALLY CAN BE GOING ON, UH, WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, WHAT'S EXISTING, WHAT'S PROPOSED, HOW THOSE DIFFERENT HYBRID 
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TYPES OF BURIAL, UM, OPTIONS ARE APPLYING TO THE DIFFERENT ZONES THING I WANT TO EMPHASIZE HERE, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. 
          UM, THIS IS WHERE WE INTEND TO DEVELOP ZONES AND KIND OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING. 
          AND YOU SAW THE PICTURES OF THE DIRECTION WE'RE, WE'RE INTENDING TO GO, BUT THIS WILL STILL CHANGE. 
          UM, THIS WILL BE AS WE WE DRILL DOWN AND GET INTO THE FINE TUNE, UM, DETAILING OF DESIGN, WE WILL, UM, WE'LL SEE SOME CHANGES THERE. 
          AND THERE COULD STILL BE SOME THINGS THAT, THAT POP UP THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT COULD IMPACT WHERE THESE THINGS, UH, ARE AND HOW THEY'RE EXACTLY LAID OUT. 
          BUT THAT'S THE INTENTION RIGHT NOW. 
          OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT SOME OF THE DETAIL. 
          I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAIL OF THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          SO THAT IS KIND OF A, A BROAD OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE. 
          I, I, I KNOW IT'S VERY BROAD. 
          THERE'S, YOU CAN GET INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOUR QUESTIONS, I GUESS. 
          AND SO DAVE AND I ARE, ARE READY AND HAPPY TO TRY AND ADDRESS ANY THAT YOU HAVE FOR US AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          THANK YOU, MR. ROBERTSON. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE'LL TAKE TURN THE TIME OVER TO STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL HANDLE QUESTIONS TOGETHER. 
          HELLO, MS. MULLINAX, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR INFORMAL REVIEW OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND A REZONING APPLICATION. 
          INFORMAL REVIEWS ARE AN OPTIONAL STEP IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND PROVIDE NINE BIN DEED FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE FOR A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. 
          CONSIDERATIONS INCLUDE HOW THE APPLICATION ALIGNS WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AS WELL AS SURROUNDING LAND USES, AND NO DETERMINATION IS MADE AT THIS STAGE OF THE PROCESS. 
          THE SITE CONTAINS TWO PARCELS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE ROUNDABOUT AT NOR STREET. 
          THE WEST PARCEL IS 5.39 ACRES AND CONTAINS TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES AND CURB CUTS. 
          THE EAST PARCEL IS 5.47 ACRES AND IS VACANT WITH ONE EXISTING CURB CUT. 
          THE KRAMER DITCH, UH, TRAVERSES THE SITE THROUGH BOTH PROPERTIES, EACH WITH AN EXISTING VEHICULAR CROSSING, UM, ACROSS THAT CREEK. 
          SO THE WEST PARCEL IS PRESENTLY ZONED R TWO, WHERE CEMETERIES ARE NOT A PERMITTED USE. 
          AND RELIGIOUS USES ARE A CONDITIONAL USE. 
          THE EAST PARCEL IS WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN AND HAS THE REMAINING WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP ZONING, UM, FROM THE PRIOR ANNEX ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY. 
          WHEN THE LAND IS ANNEXED, RURAL DISTRICT ZONING IS AUTOMATICALLY ASSIGNED. 
          SO CEMETERIES AND RELIGIOUS USES ARE CONDITIONAL IN THIS DISTRICT. 
          HOWEVER, THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FORM A FOR A CEMETERY, UM, BASED ON THE SITE SIZE AND THEREFORE REQUIRES A REZONING OF BOTH PARCELS TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS SITE IS SUBURBAN RURAL RESIDENTIAL, WHICH CONTEMPLATES SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE PROPOSED USES MORE CLOSELY ALIGN WITH THE CIVIC AND PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, FUTURE LAND USE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE CEMETERIES AS WELL AS RELIGIOUS USES. 
          BOTH PARCELS ARE PROPOSED TO BE REZONED AS ALREADY MENTIONED, UM, TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH TWO SUB AREAS A AND B. 
          WE CAN SEE THAT IN THE RIGHT IMAGE HERE. 
          PHASE ONE INCLUDES SUB AREA A AND IS THE SITE PLAN THAT IS SHOWN ON THE LEFT, AND THIS IS THE FOCUS FOR TONIGHT'S INFORMAL REVIEW. 
          PHASE TWO INCLUDES THAT SUBAR B, WHICH IS INTENDED TO BE FOR FUTURE MEMORIAL PRESERVE, UM, EXPANSION. 
          JUST A COUPLE OF STAFF COMMENTS TO CONSIDER SHOULD THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL MOVE FORWARD, A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY IS REQUIRED AT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE WHEN A PROPERTY IS REZONED. 
          ADDITIONALLY IMPACTS ON THE FLOODPLAIN AROUND THE STREAM, UTILITIES AND STORM WATER WILL NEED TO BE EXAMINED FURTHER BY STAFF. 
          STAFF HAS PREPARED THE FOLLOWING DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION. 
          THE FIRST IS REGARDING THE PROPOSED REZONING AND USES. 
          IF THE COMMISSION SUPPORTS THE REQUEST, THE SUBSEQUENT QUESTIONS ADDRESS SITE LAYOUT, LANDSCAPE BUFFERING AND ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS. 
          WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MS. MULLINAX. 
          AND AGAIN, FOR THE COMMISSION. 
          WE WILL HANDLE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT CONCURRENTLY. 
          FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, WE'LL DO QUESTIONS FIRST. 
          NO DELIBERATION. 
          THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW, BUT NO FEEDBACK WILL BE PROVIDED UNTIL AFTER WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UH, SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO COMMISSION FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          MR. SOUP LACK? UM, YES, MS. MULLINAX, CAN YOU, THE USE IS ALLOWED 
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AS A CONDITIONAL USE VIA ITS CURRENT ZONING, EXCEPT THAT IT DOESN'T MEET CERTAIN STIPULATIONS. 
          WHAT ARE THOSE STIPULATIONS? SO THE WEST PARCEL DOES NOT, A CEMETERY IS NOT PERMITTED ON THE WEST PARCEL. 
          UM, WHEREAS ON THE EAST PARCEL, THEIR CONDITIONAL USES, UM, THE WEST PARCEL ONLY HAS A RELIGIOUS USE AS A CONDITIONAL USE. 
          SO TOGETHER, SINCE THEY HAVE A MORE UNIQUE CEMETERY PROPOSAL WHERE CHURCH RESIDENCES ARE PART OF, UM, THE PROPOSAL AS WELL BEING MORE OF A MODERN PARK-LIKE CEMETERY, THE BEST SOLUTION IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR THE USES. 
          BUT ADDITIONALLY, UM, THERE ARE SOME SITE RESTRICTIONS TO THE SIZE. 
          SO EVEN IF IT WERE TO STAY STANDARD ZONED, IT COULDN'T DEVELOP DUE TO THE SITE SIZE. 
          GOT IT. 
          CAN YOU, CAN YOU ALSO SHOW US, UM, ONE MORE TIME THE FUTURE AREA PLAN FOR THIS? THIS, SO IT'S ADJACENT TO THE CIVIC AND PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, BUT IN THE SUBURBAN RURAL RESIDENTIAL. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN MS. MOLINAX, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN A, THIS IS AN OPTIONAL STEP IN A, IN A LONG PROCESS. 
          SO, UH, FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, WE DO HAVE, UM, ANYTIME WE HAVE AN APPLICATION, OF COURSE THERE ARE MANY CONSIDERATIONS. 
          YOU'LL HEAR, UH, THAT IT'S NOT ZONED, THAT IT IS ZONED, THAT IT WAS, IT WAS INHERITED BECAUSE OF AN ANNEXATION, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          IN ORDER FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REZONED. 
          THERE WOULD HAVE TO, THERE WOULD MOST LIKELY BE, UH, A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, A PUD ACTION ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. 
          THIS BODY DOES NOT MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS FOR PLANNING OF PROPERTY AND REZONING. 
          UH, THE, THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION RECEIVED FROM THE COMMISSION, BUT CITY COUNCIL MAKES THAT DETERMINATION. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH WE ARE, WE ARE EARLY IN THE PROCESS AND WE'RE DOING THE INFORMAL REVIEW, THIS WILL BE SEEN WITH THIS BODY THREE MORE TIMES MINIMUM, AND WITH CITY COUNCIL AT LEAST ONCE. 
          AND SO KNOW IF YOU'RE HERE PARTICIPATING, WE CERTAINLY WELCOME YOUR PARTICIPATION. 
          THIS IS THAT ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE TO SAY, UH, IN, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WE GO THROUGH STAGES. 
          USUALLY WE GO THROUGH LIKE DUPE, LOW BLOCKS, THOSE BIG BLOCKS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT MASSING, WE'RE LOOKING AT ORIENTATION ON THE SITE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE BIGGER THINGS. 
          THEN WE GO TO LEGOS. 
          WELL, WE HAVE A, A CRAYON ON PAPER, A CONCEPT REVIEW, WHICH IS JUST, HEY, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I'M THINKING. 
          THIS IS EVEN BEFORE THAT. 
          SO THIS IS THAT INFORMAL REVIEW. 
          HEY, DOES THIS LOOK ACCEPTABLE? ARE WE ON THE RIGHT TRACK? IS THIS A, YOU KNOW, HAVE A POSSIBILITY OF MOVING FORWARD OR NOT? SO LOOKING BACK TO THE COMMISSION, MR. CHINOOK, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES. 
          I DUNNO IF THIS IS, THIS IS AN OPEN QUESTION. 
          SO CAN YOU, CAN YOU CLARIFY THE PROPERTIES AROUND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, SPECIFICALLY THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND THE PROPO? WHO DO YOU, THE CHURCH OWNS THAT PROPERTY BETWEEN THE TWO, THAT WHERE, WHERE THE NEW, WHICH PROPERTY ON 60 41 TO THE, TO THE, TO THE WEST. 
          SO WHERE THE, THE, THE PROPOSED CUT, CUT THROUGH OR THE PROPOSED ROAD IS? YES, CORRECT. 
          SO YOU OWN THAT CHURCH OWNS THAT PROPERTY. 
          IT IS A CHURCH, UM, STAFF RESIDENCE. 
          IT HAS BEEN VARIOUS DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, STAFF RELATED TYPE RESIDENTS OVER THE YEARS. 
          BUT YES, WE OWN THAT PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE PRO, THE SLIVER OF PROPERTY TO THE EAST, IS THAT, DO YOU OWN THAT PROPERTY AS WELL? YES, BOTH PARCELS FROM RINGS ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UM, COBA PARK ON BOTH SIDES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO FRONT TO BACK NORTH FROM RINGS ROAD SOUTH TO CALLBACK PARK FOR BOTH PARCELS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND EVERYTHING ON IT, IF I MAY CLARIFY, UM, MR. SCHOCK, WERE YOU CONFIRMING THE PARCEL IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THE BOTH SIDES HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW? CORRECT. 
          THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED RESIDENCE, BUT OKAY. 
          SO THE SITES OF THE EAST IS PRIVATELY OWNED, NOT BY THE CHURCH AND THE OTHER PRO, CORRECT. 
          THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS CHURCH PROPERTY? YEP. 
          THE, THE SITES HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ARE OWNED BY THE CHURCH. 
          THE PARCEL TO THE WEST OF THAT WITH THE COMMUNITY GARDENS THAT'S OWNED BY THE CHURCH OKAY. 
          AS WELL AS THE NORTH WEST PART WHERE AVERY AND RINGS ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE RESIDENCE THAT FITS WITHIN THE, IN THE UPPER, UH, I GUESS IT WOULD BE NORTHWEST CORNER OF, OF THE SITE, THAT RESIDENCE IS AN INDIVIDUAL RESIDENCE. 
          AND I ASSUME YOU'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT THIS? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE INSIDE THE YELLOW SQUARE THERE? YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          THAT WOULD BE IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER, THAT, THAT ADDRESS IS 60 41 RINGS RED. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE FIRST PARCEL 
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NEXT TO OUR PROPERTY WHERE THE COMMUNITY GARDENS ARE, AND THEN THERE'S ONE RIGHT NEXT TO IT AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ONE MORE, SORRY, ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN THE, THE PROPOSED FUTURE CHURCH RESIDENCE ON A SITE. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS THE USE OF THAT RESIDENCE? IS IT THE FUTURE PURPOSE FOR THE YEAH. 
          YOU HAVE PROPOSED FUTURE CHURCH RESIDENCE. 
          WHAT IS THE IT'S NOT EVEN REALLY PROPOSED. 
          IT'S THERE BECAUSE IT WAS THERE BEFORE, WE HAD TO TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN, WE COULD REBUILD IT. 
          AS I SAID, THERE ARE NO INTENTIONS. 
          THERE IS NO PURPOSE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          IT'S NOT BEEN DISCUSSED WITH OUR EXECUTIVE COUNSEL. 
          THERE'S NO MONEY APPROPRIATED, BUT BECAUSE IT IS AN OPTION AVAILABLE TO US, AND WE WERE TOLD IF IT'S AN OPTION YOU EVER CHOOSE TO EXERCISE, UH, IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE PUT IN THAT SPACE WHERE THE PROPERTY WAS, AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THERE ARE NO INTENTIONS TO BUILD, BUT IF IT WERE TO BE USED, IT WOULD BE SOME KIND OF CHURCH STAFF RESIDENCE AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THAT'S NO OTHER INTENTIONS OTHER THAN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT LIKE IT WOULD BE LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ESSENTIALLY? IT WOULDN'T BE, CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          AND JUST FOR CLARITY, SHOULD THAT MOVE FORWARD? THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TEXT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE CALLED OUT WITH ALL OF THE DETAILS, REQUIREMENTS AND OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO BOTH THE DEVELOPER AND FOR EXPECTATIONS OF THE RESIDENCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          MR. WADE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, AGAIN, BACK TO THE, JUST WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THE PROPERTY? SO THE SOUTH PROPERTY IS THE TED COBA PARK, AND THEN YOU HAVE A BALL FIELD AND RECREATION FACILITY AS PART OF THE CHURCH. 
          UH, THE BALL FIELD IS TO THE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE SCREEN THERE AND YOU SEE THE YELLOW, UH, PARCELED AREA IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT, UH, ON TOP THAT BALL FIELD IS, UM, UM, THE BALL FIELD THAT WE HAVE AND OWN. 
          WE HAVE A SHELTER HOUSE OVER THERE AS WELL. 
          UM, NOW THE OTHER THINGS, COLTON, BACH PARK AND EVERYTHING SOUTH THERE, THAT'S SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S YEAH. 
          THERE'S NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          I JUST, I JUST CORRECT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          I THINK I UNDERSTOOD THAT. 
          I WANTED TO CLARIFY. 
          YEAH, THE, THE, UH, THERE ARE, UM, UM, PATHS AND THINGS THAT RUN PARALLEL TO THAT LINE ALONG CALL COBA PARK. 
          THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THERE ON THAT PATH AND SOUTH IS DUBLIN OR SOMEONE ELSE, NOT US. 
          GREAT, THANKS. 
          UM, I HAD A MORE JUST BIG PICTURE QUESTION ABOUT THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THE MEMORIAL PARK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, UM, I GET YOU'VE PRESENTED THAT THERE WILL BE SEVERAL WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN PURCHASE A PLOT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZE THEIR LOVED ONES. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO THAT IT'S GONNA BE A MIXTURE OF ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU, THERE WAS THAT ONE SLIDE THAT YOU PRESENTED THAT SHOWED A, AND I ASSUME THAT WAS INDICATIVE OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MARKERS. 
          YES. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT ON, ON TARGET THERE. 
          UM, WE, WE SAID, SAID FROM THE BEGINNING, THIS WOULD BE A HYBRID, A NON-TRADITIONAL TYPE SITE. 
          SO, UH, YOU PUT AWAY OUTTA YOUR MIND, YOU KNOW, ONE ROW AFTER ANOTHER OF HEADSTONE OF VARIOUS SIZES, CUTS, AND SHAPES. 
          UM, WE DON'T WANT THAT. 
          UH, BUT WE DO WANT TO ALLOW, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS, THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO WANT THEIR TRADITIONAL TYPE OF STONE OF SOME TYPE TRADITIONAL VAULT, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          WE WILL HAVE SOME PLACES ON OUR SITE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS FOR THAT KIND OF OPTION, BUT WE'LL ALSO HAVE MAYBE IN THE SAME AREA OTHER OPTIONS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE SAY HYBRID. 
          SOME OF THOSE ZONES WILL HAVE MULTIPLE THINGS GOING ON IN THE SAME SPACE, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE MAYBE A FEW HEADSTONES AND MAYBE SOME TREES OR SOMETHING IN ONE AREA. 
          UM, THE OTHER AREA COULD BE, YOU KNOW, PASTURE AND BE ALL FLUSH MARKERS. 
          OR IT COULD BE AN AREA THAT HAS, LIKE YOU, YOU SAID IT HAVE SOME, UM, COLUMBER BOXES OR POTENTIAL STRUCTURES OF SOME TYPE, UM, THAT WOULD ALSO BE IN THE AREA ADJACENT TO IT. 
          SO, SO THE, THE, UM, FLUSH MARKERS IS KIND OF A TREND I KNOW A LOT OF, AND, AND NOT NECESSARILY A TREND, BUT IT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR YEARS. 
          I ACTUALLY, IT WAS JUST ONE IN ONE THIS WEEKEND, WHICH WAS HUNDREDS OF ACRES. 
          AND THERE'S NOT ALL OF THEM ARE FLUSH MARKERS. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO BASICALLY YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN A PARK 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T EVEN REALLY SEE THE MARKERS. 
          RIGHT. 
          'CAUSE THE GRASS IS TALL ENOUGH. 
          AND SO I'VE JUST, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE, WE'LL HAVE THE FULL VARIETY. 
          CAN, CAN SOMEBODY HAVE A FLUSH MARKER NEXT TO A, UM, A NATURAL BURIAL OR A, AN UH, SURE. 
          UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAD HAD THE PASTURE, YOU MIGHT HAVE AN AREA WHERE YOU'VE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW, UH, 25 STONES OR SOMETHING. 
          UM, NOW WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT THOSE RIGHT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A PASTURE AND JUST HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF STONES THAT'S, THAT'S WOULD BE BECOME MORE TRADITIONAL IN NATURE AND, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTROL HOW THAT'S PUT TOGETHER. 
          BUT YOU COULD HAVE STONES IN THAT GENERAL VICINITY, AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THE AREA COULD, IF IT'S PASTURE, UH, WE DO WANNA MAINTAIN THAT LOOK AND FEEL, UH, IN THAT SPACE. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE CAN'T 
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BE OFF ON THE PERIMETER. 
          SOME KIND OF COLUMN BARIUM BOXES, UM, GARDEN SPACES WITH DIFFERENT TYPES. 
          THEY'RE CALLED, UM, BOULDERS OR PILLOW STONES, LOWER, THESE ARE THAT WOULD, WOULD HOUSE, UH, CREMAINS. 
          UM, AND YOU SAW A COUPLE EXAMPLES THAT THE ONE UP THERE ON THE BOTTOM IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, PATHS AND BENCHES AND LOTS OF LITTLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF MARKERS. 
          ALL THOSE THINGS CAN HAPPEN IN A SIMILAR AREA. 
          THEY COULD BE EVEN SIDE BY SIDE IN SOME CASES. 
          SO IF, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU COULD HAVE BOTH. 
          WELL, WELL, I WAS GETTING AT WHETHER YOU WERE GOING TO DEFINE AN AREA AND IT'S ALL ONE THING SO THAT IT HAS A SIMILAR LOOK. 
          AND THEN IF YOU WANT SOMETHING ELSE, YOU HAVE TO BE OVER IN ANOTHER AREA. 
          UM, IT, IT, IT APPEARS ON THE PLAN THAT YOU'VE DONE THAT. 
          YEAH, IT, AND, AND DAVE, YOU CAN JUMP IN HERE IF YOU WANT ON ANY OF THIS, BUT, UM, YEAH, THE, THE INTENTION WOULD BE THAT, UM, WE WOULD HAVE SOME SAY ON HOW MUCH OF THAT. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S TRADITIONAL HEADSTONE BURIALS, HOW MUCH AND IN WHAT AREA AND WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE. 
          UM, IT WOULDN'T BE HODGEPODGE ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          IT MIGHT BE CONFINED TO ONE PARTICULAR PART OF THAT AREA, AND THEN THE OTHER PART, OR MAYBE THERE'S TWO OTHER THINGS HAPPENING IN THAT AREA. 
          UH, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE SPACE AND THAT'S PART OF THAT FINE TUNED DESIGN THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE WORKED OUT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, THE INTENTION WOULD BE THAT, UM, POTENTIALLY YOU COULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE THING HAPPENING THERE, OR YOU MIGHT HAVE A VERY SMALL AREA AND SAY, THIS IS THE ONLY THING HAPPENING HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A GROUP OF TRADITIONAL HEADSTONES, LIKE THE, THE ONE I WAS THINKING OF IN ZONE THREE, THE FURTHEST WEST FROM OUR EAST NEIGHBOR. 
          THAT'S A WIDE OPEN SPACE. 
          IT'S, IT'S OUT IN THE OPEN, IT'S BEHIND A GARAGE AND A WALL. 
          UH, IT'S NOT VISIBLE HARDLY FROM THE EAST AS IT IS. 
          WE'RE GONNA PUT A BUFFER THERE IN ADDITION, SO IT WON'T BE VISIBLE. 
          THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF BETWEEN US AND RINGS ROAD NOT BE VISIBLE. 
          SO YOU COULD HAVE, UM, JUST TRADITIONAL BURIALS AND THAT WOULD MAYBE BE ALL THAT'S IN THAT SPACE SO THAT MAYBE WE COULD OFFER MORE OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SUPPLY AND DEMAND AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE TREND IS STARTING TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT. 
          THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE, THE MOST EXPENSIVE WAY TO BURY. 
          UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT'S, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL, UH, THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY INSENSITIVE. 
          UM, SO SOME PEOPLE ARE SHYING AWAY FOR THAT REASON. 
          UH, IS THERE'S JUST A LOT OF OTHER THINGS OUT THERE NOW THAT, THAT, THAT PEOPLE SEEM TO BE GRAVITATING TOWARD. 
          AND SO THAT MIGHT DRIVE WHERE THINGS GO AND HOW THEY DEVELOP. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. 
          AGAIN, EXPERIENCES FROM THIS WEEKEND, RESTROOMS, DO YOU HAVE THOSE PLANNED? IS THAT PART OF THE SHELTER OR, UH, AT THIS POINT WE HAVE, UH, YEAH. 
          RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT RESTROOMS. UH, AT THIS STAGE OF THE DESIGN. 
          WE DO HAVE INTENTIONS OF HAVING SOME SHELTER HOUSES, UH, WHICH OBVIOUSLY COULD INCORPORATE RESTROOMS. WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT. 
          AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED IT. 
          YEAH. 
          I I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A NEED FOR THAT, HAVING EXPERIENCED THAT MYSELF. 
          SO . 
          UM, AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK WAS ABOUT PARKING. 
          UM, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, VERY FEW KIND OF HEAD-END PARKING SPACES, SO I ASSUMED THAT DURING, UH, A CEREMONY THAT PEOPLE WOULD PULL UP ALONG THE ROAD AND PARK ALONG THE ROAD. 
          IS THAT WHERE, HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN? OR WOULD THEY PARK AT THE CHURCH AND WALK OVER? I, YEAH. 
          FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, SMALL CEREMONIES, WE HAVE INTENTIONS OF PARKING ALONG THE ROAD, UH, AND IN THOSE PARKING SPACES FOR YOUR DAY-TO-DAY VISITORS UTILIZING THOSE PARKING SPACES. 
          BUT FOR LARGE, UH, CEREMONIES, OUR INTENTIONS ARE EVERYBODY PARKS AT THE CHURCH AND BE SHUTTLED BACK AND FORTH SHUTTLE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. WAY. 
          MS. HARDER, JUST ON THAT NOTE, WOULDN'T IT BE, COULD YOU, COULD YOU EVEN, UH, WALK BACK AND FORTH OR AM I, I MEAN, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT SHUTTLING, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THE 10, YOU HAVE 10 PARKING SPACES ALREADY AND I CAN SEE EITHER THAT'S GONNA BE TOO MUCH OR TOO LITTLE. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU'RE ABLE, ARE YOU ABLE TO WALK BACK AND FORTH REASONABLY? UH, YES. 
          UH, THAT CERTAINLY IS A POSSIBILITY. 
          IF YOU'RE ABLE BODIED, YOU COULD MAKE THAT WALK. 
          WE ACTUALLY THROUGH THAT SPACE WHERE THE NEW ROAD IS PROPOSED, UM, THAT IS PART OF OUR CHRISTMAS WALK AND WE ACTUALLY WALK FROM THAT PARKING LOT THROUGH THAT SPACE OVER TO SOME OF THE SCENES THAT HAPPEN OVER WHERE THE ENTRANCE WEST ENTRANCE WILL BE. 
          UM, SO TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, IT COULD HAPPEN. 
          THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE JUST NOT GONNA BE PHYSICALLY ABLE TO WALK, UH, 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING A FEW HUNDRED FEET HERE, UH, UH, BEFORE YOU GET INTO THE SITE. 
          BUT WE HAVE, UM, THROUGH OTHER SERVICES, FUNERALS, THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, OTHER EVENTS WHERE WE TAKE PEOPLE FROM OUR CHURCH OVER TO THE SHELTER HOUSE WHERE THE BALL FIELDS ARE. 
          WE DO SHUTTLING. 
          WE HAVE FELLOWSHIP TEAMS THAT COULD SHUTTLE PEOPLE IN VANS, LARGER VEHICLES, GET THEM TO 
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THE SITE, DROP THEM OFF, COME BACK OUT, GET ANOTHER, AND JUST KEEP, THAT'LL BE PART OF OUR FUTURE PLANNING, UH, PROGRAM AS FAR HOW WE WE DO THAT ON SITE. 
          I WAS ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE TIME. 
          WOULD YOU HAVE IT OPEN OR CLOSED OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OPEN 24 7? UM, WE REALLY HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT LEVEL OF, OF PLANNING YET. 
          UM, WE'RE STILL KIND OF, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT? SO WE HAVEN'T DRILLED DOWN INTO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          UH, I MEAN, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU TONIGHT AS TO EXACTLY HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE. 
          DAVE, YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT OR? UM, WE HAVE DISCUSSED, UH, YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A GATED ENTRANCE ALONG RINGS ROAD. 
          MM-HMM, , UM, AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO CLOSE IT DOWN AT NIGHT SO THERE'S NOT ANY PUBLIC ACCESS TO IT AT NIGHT AND DURING CERTAIN HOURS. 
          AND THEN ALSO DISCUSS POSSIBLY, UM, HAVING A GATED ENTRANCE TO THE PRIVATE DRIVE TO THE CHURCH RESIDENCE. 
          UH, SO THAT IS NOT VIEWED AS A PART OF THE CEMETERY AS MORE OF A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, ACCESS DRIVE. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S THE EXTENT OF OUR CONVERSATIONS AS FAR AS THAT GOES, BECAUSE IT IS EARLY TO TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD GET YOU INTO LIGHTING AND SAFETY AND SO FORTH OF THAT SORT. 
          AND I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THAT. 
          ALSO, JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANDERING IN AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY OF THE AREA AS WELL TOO. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? I HAVE ONE MORE QUICK ONE, SORRY. 
          SO FOR THE, JUST SO UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU MET, YOU KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT NOW, BUT FOR MY JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH YOU? YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING THESE SERVICES JUST O OBVIOUSLY OFFSITE SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR YOU GUYS, WOULD YOU GUYS POTENTIALLY GO TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP SOMETHING LIKE THIS? OR I GUESS WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS DOESN'T WORK OUT FOR YOU? WELL, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HOPING THAT WE ARE CAN, UH, CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. 
          WE'VE HAD THIS LAND, LIKE I SAID, FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND WE HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING WITH IT OTHER THAN MAINTAIN IT. 
          IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SPACE. 
          IT'S PERFECT FOR THIS KIND OF SETTING. 
          AND, UM, SO THAT IS OUR INTENTION IS, IS TO DO THAT. 
          PART OF THE REASON WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO GO FURTHER AND FURTHER AND FURTHER OUT OF TOWN, UH, WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO PASS AWAY AND THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY MADE PRE-ARRANGEMENT SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          AND SO SINCE WE'VE GOT THE SPACE, UM, AND WE'RE MAINTAINING IT, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S OUR INTENTION. 
          WE DON'T HAVE AND HAVE NOT THOUGHT THROUGH ANYTHING ELSE. 
          SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'D SAY NO. 
          IS THAT ANSWER. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE ARE CURRENTLY BA TAKING PEOPLE ALL KINDS OF PLACES WAY OUT OF TOWN. 
          THANK YOU MR. ROBERTSON. 
          UH, JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION BEFORE WE OPEN. 
          YES. 
          OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UH, UH, AROUND THE AREA. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          UH, YOU OUTLINED A COUPLE OF MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU MADE BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK, NAMELY THE BUFFERING AND THE SHIFTING OF ACCESS AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          WERE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT CAME OUT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS? I DUNNO IF I HIT 'EM ALL. 
          DID I LEAVE ANY UN TOUCH DAVE? WELL, UM, ORIGINALLY, UH, WE DID NOT HAVE THE CONNECTION OVER TO ST. 
          JOHN'S, UH, CHURCH. 
          UM, WE HAD EVERYTHING FUNNELING IN THROUGH RINGS ROAD AND WE WERE UTILIZING THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AS THE MAIN ROAD, UM, WHICH DOES CREATE A PINCH POINT ALONG THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND GETS VERY CLOSE TO THAT RESIDENT. 
          AND THERE WAS SOME, SOME MAJOR CONCERNS, RIGHTFULLY SO ABOUT THAT. 
          AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE PRESERVE TRAFFIC GOING THAT CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO TO RESOLVE THAT, UM, WE AGAIN FUNNELED EVERYTHING OVER TO ST. 
          JOHN'S CHURCH. 
          WE ARE MAINTAINING THAT VEHICULAR BRIDGE ACCESS. 
          UM, UH, JUST SO WE DO HAVE THAT, UH, VEHICULAR BRIDGE THERE. 
          HOWEVER, WE DID MAKE A MODIFICATION TO THE, UH, DRIVEWAY WHERE THE SECOND IT CROSSES OVER THE CREEK, UM, WE ARE IMMEDIATELY TURNING THAT ROAD INTO THE WEST TO GIVE MORE OF A BUFFER ZONE, UM, THAN WHAT THE EXISTING DRIVE DOES HAVE. 
          SO, UM, WE INCREASED THE SIZE, THE WIDTH OF THE BUFFER AT THE PINCH POINT, WHICH I THINK IS NOW EXPANDED TO UP TO 15, 17 FEET, UM, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A VEGETATIVE SCREEN IN BETWEEN AT THE NARROWEST POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. 
          AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE, ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON. 
          AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          HI. 
          AND YOUR MICROPHONE IS MY NAME KE HICK. 
          UH, I'M THE NEIGHBOR RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PARSONAGE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND, UM, I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE LAST MEETING, SO YOU'VE ACTUALLY ANSWERED, I'M ASKING YOU, YOU ACTUALLY ANSWERED QUITE A FEW OF MY QUESTIONS ALREADY. 
          UM, 
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I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT WHATSOEVER. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          THE GREAT PROPERTY. 
          SIR, COULD YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE DIRECTED INTO THE MICROPHONE SO THEY CAN BE RECORDED? I FEEL SILLY TALK ASKING. 
          YOU GOT QUESTIONS WHEN IT'S I'M ACTUALLY ASKING HIM. 
          SURE. 
          I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE STREET FROM THE PARSONAGE. 
          UM, WELL USUALLY A PARSONAGE. 
          UM, I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE LAST MEETINGS. 
          I WAS OUTTA TOWN, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT WHATSOEVER. 
          I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA BECAUSE IT IS A GREAT SPACE RIGHT NOW. 
          IF YOU GO DOWN RINGS ROAD, YOU GO, YOU LOOK OPPOSITE THE HOUSES. 
          YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE ALWAYS AFRAID THAT SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THOSE LOTS THAT MIGHT CHANGE THAT. 
          AND SO THIS WOULD ACTUALLY PRESERVE THAT AREA. 
          MY, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          LIKE I SAID, YOU ANSWERED, EXCUSE ME, SOME THE PARSONAGE STAYS FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          UM, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THE CRICKET PITCH, BUT YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THAT. 
          THAT'S JUST SIDEBAR. 
          UH, COMMUNITY GARDEN. 
          IS IT STAY OR GO? UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME YOU MEAN? YEAH. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          . 
          UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE COMMUNITY GARDENS ARE STILL, UM, GONNA CONTINUE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AS THEY ARE NOW, WE HAVE NO IMMEDIATE PLANS TO CHANGE THOSE. 
          AGAIN, WE'VE GOT SCHOOLS AND THINGS HAPPENING, LOTS OF THINGS HAPPENING AT THE CHURCH OVER THERE, SO SOME OF THE THINGS THEY'RE DOING DOWN THE ROAD MIGHT IMPACT, BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CHANGE TO THAT SPACE RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'RE GETTING READY TO START UP AGAIN FOR THIS SEASON. 
          YES. 
          SO RIGHT NOW THE, THE PLAN IS TO CONTINUE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW ON THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, SEEING AS THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW, UM, AGAIN, CONSIDERING THIS IS VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS, I WILL TURN, OH, WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE, ONE COMMENT THROUGH THE WEB AND THIS IS FROM NELSON YODER SAYING I APPRECIATE THE CHURCH'S WILLINGNESS TO ENGAGE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD EARLY IN THE PROCESS. 
          AND I'M IN GENERAL SUPPORT OF INCORPORATING A CEMETERY AT THE CHUR AT THE CHURCH, PROVIDED ITS FINAL LOCATION. 
          AND THE PUD REQUIREMENTS PRESERVE THE HIGH QUALITY SINK, FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF RINGS ROAD, EAST OF NORTH STREET THAT THE CITY AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS WORKED FOR YEARS TO CULTIVATE. 
          AN IMPORTANT REQUIREMENT WOULD BE TO FULLY SCREEN THE CEMETERY FROM VIEW FROM RINKS ROAD. 
          IDEALLY THIS WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ALONG RINKS ROAD AND LOCATING THE CEMETERY BEHIND THOSE SLOTS. 
          THE CHURCH IS PROPOSING TO PUT A HOUSE IN THE BACK OF THE CEMETERY WHERE IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE TO LOCATE IT UP ON RINGS ROAD AS A CEMETERY BUFFER. 
          A LESS DESIRABLE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE A FULLY OPAQUE EVERGREEN SCREEN PLACED BETWEEN THE ROADWAY AND THE CEMETERY. 
          ANOTHER IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION WOULD BE TO ACCESS THE CEMETERY, THE EXISTING CHURCH PARKING AREA AND DRIVEWAY TO ELIMINATE VISUAL TRAFFIC AND PARKING IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE PROPOSED REZONING. 
          IDEALLY, NO VEHICULAR CONNECTION WOULD EXIST BETWEEN RINGS AND THE CEMETERY AND ACCESS WOULD BE ONLY PROVIDED VIA THE EXISTING CHURCH DRIVE AND OR THE NORTH STREET ROUNDABOUT. 
          THE PROPERTY OWNER ADJACENT TO THE CEMETERY 59 65 MUST BE PROTECTED AS THEY ARE THE MOST IMPACTED BY THE, THIS PROPOSED CHANGE OF VIEWS. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE PROCESS WITH THE CHURCH AND THE CITY TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THE CEMETERY A PART OF THE CHURCH PROPERTY WITHOUT NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER, UH, A FEW QUESTIONS THAT YOU CAN SEE ON OUR SCREEN AT THIS TIME. 
          I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR FEEDBACK ON THIS INFORMAL REVIEW. 
          MR. FISHMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START US OFF? YEAH. 
          CAN YOU MAKE SURE OF THE LAYOUT? UH, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION. 
          UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, OF COURSE, THE MAIN, THAT MAIN ROAD RUNS RIGHT INTO THE SUBDIVISION, I ASSUME, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU WITH THE, COMING THROUGH THE PROPERTY, YOU'VE GOT THE MAIN ROAD RUNNING AND IT GOES YES. 
          UH, UM, JOHN CONNECTION, IT SAYS IT, IT CONNECTS TO THE CHURCH. 
          IT CONNECTS TO THE CHURCH, BUT IT GO, THERE'S A SUBDIVISION AROUND IT, ISN'T IT? N NO, NO, THAT'S, THERE'S NO CONNECTIVITY TO THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, SO IT'S A STRAIGHT CONNECTION TO THE CHURCH. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S WHY, UM, EVERYTHING WEST DO YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS, UM, CURRENTLY COMMUNITY GARDEN OPEN SPACE AND THEN YOU WOULD HIT AT THE END OF THE NEW LANE, YOU WOULD GO RIGHT IMMEDIATELY INTO THE PARKING LOT. 
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AND THE CHURCH IS LOCATED, THE CHURCH IS BACK THERE BY ITSELF? CORRECT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          DO WE HAVE THAT, THAT VIEW? YEAH, ACTUALLY IF YOU GO BACK TO THE BUBBLE DIAGRAM, THIS IS GOOD. 
          OH, THAT ONE WORKS TOO. 
          I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME HOUSES BACK THERE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING BACK THERE. 
          NO, NOTHING TO THE WEST. 
          UH, THERE, SOUTHWEST OF THE BALL FIELDS, THERE'S A SUBDIVISION. 
          UM, BUT THAT REALLY HAS NOT BEEN IN PLAY FOR WHERE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT UP IN THAT AREA. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          AND IT'S ACCESSIBLE A BLOCK AWAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. FISHMAN. 
          UH, ANY FEEDBACK FOR THE INFORMAL REVIEW FOR THE APPLICANT? WHAT WAS THAT FEEDBACK? I THINK IT'S FINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, MR. LAC. 
          UM, IT'S A NICE DESIGN. 
          I, I APPLAUD. 
          UM, A NUMBER OF THINGS. 
          A CAREFUL CONSIDERATION, DESIGN, TOUCH, APPLAUD, UH, THE MORE MODERN INTERPRETATION OF THE SPACE. 
          IT HAS A, UH, I'M GONNA GO ON A LITTLE BIT. 
          HAS AN ENGLISH GARDEN FEEL TO IT WITH A, A NUMBER OF SORT OF FOLLIES, DIFFERENT SPACES YOU CAN DISCOVER THROUGHOUT THAT CORRECT, CORRECT. 
          THROUGHOUT THAT GARDEN. 
          IT, IT'S, IT'S, UM, LARGELY LOVE. 
          LOVELY. 
          UH, THE BIG QUESTION I THINK FOR US, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY SORT OF CAPTURED IN THE KNEES QUESTIONS THAT ARE UP, IS DOES IT FIT, IS IT APPROPRIATE? UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMEBODY SAID, UH, AT THE MICROPHONE, IT STILL FEELS COUNTRY, IT STILL FEELS, UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS WHAT THE INTENT OF THE CURRENT ZONING IS. 
          AND I I WHAT THE INTENT, I, I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY WOULD WANT TO, WANT TO CONTINUE. 
          SO, UM, KUDOS WITH THAT. 
          I I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, DESPITE NOT MEETING THE CODE, IT MEETS THE, MEETS THE INTENT OF THE CODE. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST AS IMPORTANT. 
          UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF ASPECTS THAT ARE EVEN, YOU KNOW, I TOUCHED ON IT. 
          WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S THE CIVIC? RIGHT? UH, THE FUTURE AREA PLAN, WHERE'S THE CIVIC VERSUS VERSUS THE, THE, UM, SUBURBAN OR RESIDENTIAL THERE ON SOME OF THOSE PLANS? AGAIN, THAT'S, UM, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THERE'S THE CRAN STAGE AND THEN THE MARKER STAGE, AND IT GETS MORE AND MORE REFINED. 
          OF COURSE, THOSE FUTURE AREA PLANS IN SOME REGARDS ARE EVEN MORE OF BUBBLE DIAGRAMS, SO IT'S PLUS OR MINUS. 
          AND, UH, I THINK YOU'RE JUST SORT OF MOVING THAT LINE ON THOSE PLANS AS WELL. 
          SO, MM-HMM, , THAT'S, THAT'S ALL TO SAY I AM SUPPORTIVE. 
          IT'S A REALLY NICE ELEMENT IN THE MIX THERE. 
          IT'S, IT'S A REALLY NICE PARK. 
          UM, I THINK SOME OF THE DESIGN THOUGHTS YOU'RE ALREADY HAVING, UM, WOULD BE LOVELY THAT EXECUTION MATTERS. 
          UM, THE ONLY REAL CONCERNS ARE, AND UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S TUNED INTO THESE AS PART OF THE STANDARD PROCESS IS THAT FLOODPLAIN AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN RELATIVE, I I VERY MUCH APPLAUD, UM, APPLAUD OPENING UP AND TAKING THE BRUSH OUT OF THAT, THAT CREEK. 
          THAT MAKES IT A LOVELY FEATURE. 
          UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING WOULD BE, OF COURSE, MANAGING TRAFFIC ON DAYS WHEN YOU DO HAVE A BIG EVENT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          MOST OF THE TIME THIS IS GOING TO BE LIGHTLY VERY, VERY LIGHTLY USED. 
          UM, THERE WILL BE TIMES WHEN THERE IS A, UM, BIG AND SOMBER EVENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. SUE. 
          BLACK. 
          MR. WE, UM, I AGREE. 
          I, I THINK, UM, THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY RELATED TO, UM, THE CHURCH. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF CREATING A PARK-LIKE ENVIRONMENT, I THINK IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. 
          UM, I WOULD, AND AGAIN, I I'M, THE WAY I'M READING THIS PLAN, I THINK IT'S HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN TERMS OF THE WAY YOU TREAT THE DIFFERENT BURIAL TYPES. 
          LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY AN IDEA OF LIKE ALONG THE ROAD THAT THOSE BECOME FLUSH AND SO YOU'VE GOT AN EXPERIENCE AS YOU'RE MOVING THROUGH THIS. 
          THAT AGAIN, I THINK IF YOU MIX AND MATCH TOO MUCH, IT'S GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA COME ACROSS THE SAME. 
          YEAH. 
          AGREE. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT'S DETAILS, RIGHT. 
          BUT I THINK YOU'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT, UH, DIRECTION. 
          I THINK MR. CAPONE'S TAKING YOU, TAKING YOU THERE. 
          UM, I WAS INTRIGUED BY THE COMMENT, UH, THAT WE GOT, UM, ABOUT SHOULD THE FUTURE CHURCH RESIDENTS BE UP ON RINGS ROAD AND NOT IN THE BACK. 
          UM, I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING. 
          SO MIGHT BE WORTH EXPLORING THAT. 
          AND, AND THAT CREATES THAT BUFFER OR, OR IT, IT THINKS MORE ABOUT THE RINGS ROAD STREET AND AGAIN, AS A SERIES OF LARGER BUILDINGS AS YOU GO TO THE, THE EAST. 
          UM, AND SO AGAIN, I WOULD URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AND THEN THE, THE ALIGNMENT OF THE ROAD. 
          UM, I'M, I'M, I'M JUST GUESS I'M, I'M ASKING IS THAT THE RIGHT ALIGNMENT? WOULD IT BE BETTER IF THE ROAD SWUNG FURTHER TO THE SOUTH AND, AND ACTUALLY WAS THE DIVISION ALONG THE CREEK AND THEN IT CAME UP AND TIED IN OVER TO THE CHURCH AND THAT WOULD MAKE MORE OF THE MEMORIAL PART ON THE NORTH SIDE? I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS LIKE THAT, SOME BIG STRUCTURAL THINGS THAT YOU COULD START TO LOOK AT, 
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BUT I THINK GENERALLY, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          DON'T FORGET ABOUT SERVICES FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING THERE AND THINK ABOUT MULTIPLE CEREMONIES ALL AT ONCE. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THERE. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          HOPEFULLY NOT. 
          BUT, UM, I JUST THINK, THINK THAT THROUGH A LITTLE BIT, HOW, HOW PARKING'S GONNA WORK IF THERE'S LIKE TWO MAJOR CEREMONIES AT ONCE AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 50 CARS ALL OF A SUDDEN ARRIVING AND WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THEM. 
          AND, UM, MS. HARD MENTIONED THAT THE CONNECTION TO THE, THE CHURCH. 
          COULD YOU WALK IT, COULD THAT BE PART OF SOME KIND OF ELEMENT OF THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE AND AS OPPOSED TO WALKING ALONG THE ROAD, COULD THERE BE A DEDICATED PATH THAT LINKED YOU ACROSS, UM, SOMETHING, AGAIN, I EXPERIENCED THIS THIS WEEKEND, HAVING TO WALK ON THE, THE SERVICE DRIVE WITH CARS COMING AND GOING, NOT REALLY FEELING LIKE I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. 
          SO AGAIN, THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK YOU'RE, UH, TO BE CONSIDERED AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS COMING BACK AND, UM, HAVING US REVIEW IT AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU MR. WAYNE. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR POINTS, UH, TOWARDS THE END THERE WITH THAT AS WELL TOO. 
          BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD AND THANK YOU BEING A PART OF THE COMMUNITY FOR SO LONG TOO. 
          AND WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU TOOK TIME TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THE CITY WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S A, A GREAT THING THAT MAKES THIS PROCESS GO WELL AND SO FORTH, UM, AND MAKES EVERYBODY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE INVOLVED. 
          UM, YES, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. 
          I THINK YOU'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT IT. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SO CREATIVE. 
          I DON'T WANT YOU TO FORGET ABOUT THE CITY BECAUSE THE CITY DOES A GREAT JOB THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          WE WANT THINGS TO LOOK UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT. 
          UM, AND YOU'RE COMING WITH THAT AND THEY'VE GOT SOME IDEAS AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, DON'T NOT THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. 
          THAT'S MY, MY, UH, GO-TO ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND THAT MODERN FEEL AND SO FORTH. 
          I ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE THE IDEA WITH THE BUFFERING. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          UH, YOU'VE GOT SOME GOING THERE, BUT ALSO WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          AND I THINK THAT WAS A, A GOOD HIGHLIGHT WITH THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN JUST NICE WALKWAYS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THESE AREAS CAN TEND TO BE VERY WET AND JUST, UM, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THAT YOU EVEN HAD SOME NICE PICTURES OF DIFFERENT VARIETY OF DIFFERENT, UM, WALKING WAYS FOR THAT NEW, UNIQUE EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, OH, THAT WAS THAT ZIGZAG THOUGHT. 
          I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THINKING ABOUT RESTROOMS THERE. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA OF MAYBE EVEN THINKING ABOUT A, A CLOSED SHELTER OR SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU COULD HAVE DOORS OR SOMETHING THAT IN CLIMATE WEATHER BECAUSE YOU MAY BE HAVING SERVICES, UH, FOR SMALLER GROUPS OR, OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT. 
          AND THEN I'M, I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVING TO HAVE TO PARK ON THE SIDES. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE SO CROWDED. 
          SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF PARKING AT YOUR CHURCH. 
          AND, UM, AND SO THEN, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS, IF IT IS, YOU KNOW, HELPING PEOPLE GET FROM A TO, YOU KNOW, Z THEN YOU, YOU'VE BEEN DOING THAT ANYWAYS. 
          SO, MM-HMM. 
           THAT MAY BE THE, UM, THE HELP THERE AND THE SIMILARITIES OF THE STONES. 
          SO I LIKE THE IDEA, UH, OF, UM, THAT YOU'VE PICKED OUT A COUPLE OF COLORS AND THE WHOLE PLACE IN MY MIND, UH, THE WHOLE PLACE HAS THAT KIND OF, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UNIQUE COLOR OF, OF EARTH AND GROUND AND GREEN AND SO FORTH. 
          AND, UM, JUST LIKE WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING TOO, IS, UH, THE CLUSTERING OF THE SAME TYPE OF STONES, IF IT'S FLAT OR RAISED, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALL INTERMIXED. 
          I THINK THAT, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN, UM, THROUGH THAT WITH, UM, WITH THOSE, UH, THOUGHTS. 
          UM, AND, UM, AGAIN, UM, THE, THE CHURCH IS BEAUTIFUL. 
          YOU KEEP YOUR GROUNDS VERY NICE. 
          I SEE YOU KEEPING THE GROUNDS BEAUTIFUL, UH, GOING ALL THROUGH THAT. 
          THIS IS ONLY GOING TO ENHANCE THAT. 
          UM, AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT, I'D LIKE TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THE, THE 10 PARKING SPOTS. 
          UM, AND, UM, LET'S SEE. 
          OH, AND THE COLORS. 
          YEAH, I THINK I'VE DOUBLE CHECKING, MAKING SURE I'VE GOTTEN THROUGH MY NOTES FROM YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. 
          MR. CHINNOCK, I'LL BE, I'LL BE BRIEF. 
          I, I, I, UH, AGAIN, THANK I SHARE THE SAME COMMENTS. 
          UM, YOU COULD HAVE EASILY SOLD OFF THIS PROPERTY AND DONE SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT, BUT YOU'VE CHOSEN TO PUT A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT IN THIS AREA, WHICH I, I THINK IS VERY COMMENDABLE AND, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT, THE INSPIRATION IMAGES, IF IT CAN, IF IT ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPRESSIVE. 
          I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING YOUR VISION FOR IT. 
          UM, SO I'M, I'M VERY MUCH SUPPORTIVE OF IT. 
          THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD HAVE, AND I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT UP, WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE MORE SCREENING AROUND THAT RESIDENCE THAT'S IN THAT, UM, THE NORTHWEST CORNER. 
          IF THAT DOES CHANGE, IF THAT RESIDENCE 
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GETS SOLD AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK MAYBE THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFER FROM THAT ROAD OR SOME SPECIFIC SCREENING ALONG THERE WOULD BE MY ONE COMMENT, UM, IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC IDEA. 
          REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. 
          UH, SO TYING US UP, I, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          THAT ALWAYS MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE SEAMLESS BECAUSE THERE IS ONGOING DISCUSSION. 
          AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE WITH THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY AS YOU MOVE FORWARD. 
          ALSO, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING A SERVICE. 
          AS YOU KNOW, DUBLIN CEMETERY IS OUT ROOM, AND SO YOUR MEMBERS HAVING AN OPTION TO BE BURIED WITHIN THE CITY IS ADVANTAGEOUS, AND I'M SURE APPRECIATED BY THOSE MEMBERS VERY MUCH. 
          UM, A COUPLE OF CALL OUTS, UH, WE HEARD THE ONE COMMENT ABOUT SCREENING AND, AND FUTURE RESIDENTIAL AND PERHAPS PUTTING RESIDENTIAL ALONG THE ROAD. 
          THE CITY COMMUNITY PLAN EX, UM, CURRENTLY FORESEES THIS AS RURAL, MEANING QUIET. 
          AND I DON'T THINK YOU GET QUIETER NEIGHBORS THAN A CEMETERY . 
          SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH THE RURAL NATURE. 
          I THINK THAT THE SCREENING ALONG RINGS ROAD WITH, UM, A LANDSCAPE PLAN BI TO KIND OF INTRODUCE THE PARK NATURE, THE PARK FEEL OF THE AREA COULD ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING AS ESTABLISHING AND REINFORCING THE RURAL NATURE OF THE AREA. 
          UM, WE ARE EARLY, AND SO WHEN WE GET INTO ENGINEERING DETAILS, A COUPLE OF ITEMS, WE'LL SEE TRAFFIC STUDIES, WE'LL SEE THOSE TYPES OF DETAILS. 
          THE ONE ITEM THAT I WOULD CALL OUT EARLY, BECAUSE IT DOES MAKE AN IMPACT, IS WE'VE SEEN SOME BEAUTIFUL, IN FACT, RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, UM, THE, THE MEMORIAL, UM, UH, SCHRODINGER, YES, RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD HAS A BEAUTIFUL RETENTION BASIN IN THE FRONT. 
          AND ON YOUR PLAN. 
          CURRENTLY, THEY'RE ALL DETENTION BASINS, WHICH ARE USUALLY NOT TRUE WET BASINS. 
          UH, ADDITIONALLY, THE, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE HONEYSUCKLE CLEANUP. 
          WE LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE THAT IS VERY IMPACTFUL, AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S GREEN AND WE LOVE GREEN IN DUBLIN, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE RIGHT KIND OF GREEN, RIGHT? UH, AND THEN I, I DO THINK THAT THE RESTROOMS AT THE CHURCH COULD BE UTILIZED. 
          IT'S NOT TYPICAL TO HAVE THE ENTIRE CEREMONY OUT IN THE GROUNDS AND THEREFORE REQUIRE THOSE EXTERNAL BUILDINGS. 
          BUT WHEN YOU COME FORWARD AND YOU BRING FORWARD THE PLAN, TALKING ABOUT WHAT SERVICES WILL BE OFFERED DURING A TRADITIONAL OR NON-TRADITIONAL BURIAL SERVICE WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS. 
          UH, FINALLY, BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A FOUR SEASON COMMUNITY, WE DO HAVE, UH, PEOPLE WHO PASS AWAY DURING ALL FOUR SEASONS. 
          AND WHILE A SPRING SUMMER TYPE BURIAL COULD BE NICE AND EASY TO WALK ALONG THAT ROADWAY, UH, FALL, WINTER, WET TIME PERIOD, MAYBE NOT SO MUCH. 
          SO I ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S CONCERN ON SHARING ROADWAY WITH WALKERS AND SHUTTLE AND PRIVATE VEHICLES. 
          AND SO SOME CONTEMPLATION, WHETHER THAT'S A TRAIL, WHETHER THAT'S A DESIGNATED WALK PATH, UH, WHATEVER THAT IS, MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S IN THE PLAN AS WELL TO ADDRESS CONCERNS. 
          UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. 
          DID YOU GET THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR IN THIS INFORMAL REVIEW? UNDERSTANDING THERE ARE FUTURE STEPS TO TAKE? UM, YEAH, I, I, UM, HEARD SOME GOOD THINGS, UH, LOTS OF GOOD THINGS, AND I HEARD SOME THINGS THAT, UH, UH, WE CERTAINLY WILL TAKE BACK INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THIS. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          UH, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS FROM THE PANEL. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC THINGS. 
          DAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PLANNING QUESTIONS? WE'RE WE, WE NEED, THANK YOU. 
          WELL, THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. 
          WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMING FORWARD. 
          MR. FISHMAN. 
          SOUNDS LIKE HE HAS ONE MORE ITEM. 
          MR. FISHMAN, COULD YOU TURN, MR. AK, COULD YOU GRAB HIS, THE PATH? WHAT, WHAT'S IT, COULD YOU RESTATE YOUR QUESTION, MR. FISHMAN? I ASSUME THE PATH IS GONNA BE BLACKTOP OR SOMETHING THAT IS A HARD SURFACE. 
          UH, IT, IT WILL BE A HARD SURFACE. 
          THAT'S OUR INTENTION. 
          UH, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED WHETHER THAT'S CONCRETE, ASPHALT, DECOMPOSED, GRANITE. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE STILL UP IN THE AIR ON THAT. 
          IT WON'T BE GRAVEL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          NO, I, I DON'T THINK, OKAY. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE A HARD SURFACE BECAUSE WE'RE, THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR WHEELCHAIRS, YOU KNOW? CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. FISHMAN. 
          THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. 
          UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE ENGAGE WITH STAFF, AND WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU LATER IN THE PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU FOR, FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. 
          THANKS. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MOVING ON TO OUR 
          [Case #24-046INF]
NEXT CASE FOR THIS EVENING. 
          THIS IS CASE 24 DASH 0 4 6 INF FOR IRISH VILLAGE. 
          THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK SIMILAR TO THE LAST ONE ON A FUTURE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON THREE PARCELS. 
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THE COMBINED APPROXIMATELY 12 ACRE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE, RESTRICTED SUBURB, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND TF TECHNOLOGY FLEX DISTRICT, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF WARNER TEMPLE AND AVERY ROAD. 
          AS WITH THE LAST APPLICATION, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST ON THEIR PRESENTATION, AFTER WHICH WE WILL HEAR A STAFF PRESENTATION. 
          AFTER THE TWO PRESENTATIONS, WE WILL HANDLE, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          ONCE THOSE QUESTIONS ARE FINALIZED, WE WILL OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC, VIRTUALLY, AND HERE IN PERSON TO MAKE, UM, TO MAKE COMMENTS BEFORE WE DO OUR ACTUAL INFORMAL REVIEW. 
          SO, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME THE APPLICANT FORWARD AND INVITE YOU TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. 
          IT IS CURRENTLY ON. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS MICHAEL FIGHT, UH, 66 89 DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE. 
          I'M A PARTNER IN THE OWNERSHIP GROUP THAT OWNS THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, PART OF IT, AND THE OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE TONIGHT. 
          SO HERE WE GO. 
          UM, I'M GONNA KEEP MY COMMENTS REAL BRIEF BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE STAFF REPORT AND THE PACKAGE DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF WALKING YOU THROUGH WHERE WE ARE. 
          I WANTED TO SPEND MY TIME MORE ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE HERE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET ME TO THAT PROPERTY MAP. 
          BY SAME, I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE A CLICKER THERE THAT YOU COULD, TECHNOLOGY. 
          I THINK WE ALL KNOW, UM, AT LEAST WHERE IT IS, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BUNNIES AND NEXT TO THE POOL. 
          SO IT IS VERY VISIBLE SITE AND EVERYONE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          THE APPLICATION THAT YOU SEE TONIGHT ENCOMPASSES THREE PIECES OF PROPERTY. 
          ONE OF 'EM, THE AVR OWNERSHIP, WE OWN IT'S SIX ACRES, APPROXIMATELY THE OTHER PARKS DRILLING. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WE HAVE A, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THEM. 
          AND THE IMPORTANCE THERE IS, UH, IT'S A LITTLE TIME SENSITIVE. 
          NOT THAT IT COULDN'T BE EXTENDED, BUT OUR AGREEMENT TODAY, I BELIEVE, EXPIRES AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. 
          SO I KNOW WE'RE AT THE VERY, VERY START OF THIS PROCESS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT. 
          BUT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE WITH TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY TO REALLY MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE ON THIS CORNER FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING IN WITH THAT TIMEFRAME. 
          THE THIRD PIECE, WHICH IS THE LANDSCAPE COMPANY. 
          UM, WE DO DO NOT HAVE OFFICIALLY IN CONTRACT, AND WE DO NOT HAVE AN OFFICIAL AGREEMENT WITH THEM. 
          WE'VE MET WITH THEM NUMEROUS TIMES. 
          WE'VE PRESENTED A PROPOSAL TO THEM. 
          UM, IT, IT'S A VERY AGREEABLE COMMUNICATION, BUT RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THEY'RE PROBABLY BUSY WITH THE SPRING THE WAY IT IS. 
          SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE RE THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE OWNERS AND, AND OUR AGREEMENTS WITH THOSE PEOPLE. 
          UM, OUR PROCESS HERE WAS, UM, REALLY STARTED WITH US DOING WHAT I CALL CHICKEN SCRATCHES ON, I PLAY PLANNER. 
          I'M A LITTLE BIT OF A PLANNER AND AN ARCHITECT, BUT, SO WE DO CHICKEN SCRATCHES, AND THEN WE MET WITH THE CITY STAFF AND SHOWED THEM A VARIETY OF OPTIONS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE FEASIBLE. 
          AND, AND THE REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH THIS IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE FIRST APPLICATION WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GARDENS AND, AND SIDEWALKS AND PARKING. 
          THIS IS TALKING ABOUT LAND USE, ACCESS POINTS, QUALITY AND IMAGE. 
          WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO AND HOW IS THAT HELPFUL TO THE COMMUNITY AND ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY AT THE DIRECTION OF STAFF. 
          UM, WHICH WAS A GOOD THING. 
          WE, WE, THEY COMMENTED THAT WE SHOULD GO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE DID ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, UH, LOT OF GROUPS FROM RE AND SOME OTHER GROUPS AS WELL. 
          UH, MET WITH THEM SEVERAL TIMES, SHOWED 'EM OUR OPTIONS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, GATHERED A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THEM, HEARD WHAT THEY WANTED, HEARD WHAT THEY ENVISIONED, HEARD WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED. 
          AND AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE ONE OF THESE OPTIONS OUT OF THE FOUR THAT WE DID KIND OF TAKE THE NEXT STEP FORWARD INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. 
          THAT'S WHAT, UM, WE'RE SHOWING HERE TONIGHT. 
          SO, UM, THE NAME IRISH VILLAGE, THAT REALLY CAME FROM ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS BECAUSE, UM, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, THEY REALLY WANTED TO 
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ENHANCE BALANCE TRAY. 
          I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THE DESIGN THINGS THAT WENT ON IN BALANCE TRAY, SO BROUGHT ME BACK TO THAT. 
          BUT WE REALLY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT INSTEAD OF CREATING SOMETHING OUT ON AVERY ROAD, WE WANTED TO BRING THE GREAT GYM THAT'S BACK THERE, BALL ANDRE OUT TO AVERY ROAD. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THE NAME CAME FROM. 
          THAT'S WHERE THESE IMAGES YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET COME FROM. 
          IT'S THE IDEA OF WE'RE CREATING A VILLAGE COMMUNITY THAT'S WALKABLE, BIKEABLE, AND FRIENDLY TO PEOPLE, AND THEY CAN GO THERE FOR GOODS AND SERVICES. 
          IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS PART OF BALANCE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE THAT WE WENT INTO. 
          I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          SO I THINK THE, THE THREE PIECES OF PROPERTY, THE GOALS THAT WE HAVE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTERACTION THAT WE'VE DONE, UM, I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME OF THEM HERE TONIGHT THAT MAY SPEAK. 
          UM, I, I THINK IT WAS FAVORABLE AND LIKE I SAID, WE SHOWED THEM FOUR OPTIONS, LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. 
          THE FIRST BEING WHAT YOU SEE HERE, AND IT'S REALLY MORE OF A TYPICAL APPROACH TO DEVELOPMENT FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES. 
          THE CORNER ITSELF BEING THE VILLAGE RETAIL, WHICH YOU CAN ENVISION ALL FOUR CORNERS OVER HERE ON FRANCE ROAD OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE UP ON A PERIMETER WHERE DEWEY'S PIZZA IS THAT KIND OF THING. 
          IT'S VERY NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE AUTO ORIENTED, WE TALKED ABOUT GAS, WE TALKED ABOUT CONVENIENCE STORES, WE TALKED ABOUT GROCERY STORES. 
          THERE WAS PUSHBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS ON SOME OF THOSE USES. 
          SO, UM, WE HEARD THAT AND DEVELOPED THE SECOND OPTION, WHICH IS AGAIN, A RETAIL CORNER, MORE OF AN OFFICE TYPE OF THING HAPPENING IN THE BACK AND IN THAT PURPLE AREA. 
          AND THE RED BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, A RESTAURANT MAYBE WITH A DRIVE THROUGH OR, OR A DRUG STORE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          OPTION C IS, UM, A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT HAS TWO COLORS AND TWO BUBBLES, IT'S REALLY ONE THING. 
          AND OUT OF OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UM, MORE OF AN INTERACTIVE MIXED USE TYPE OF THING WAS MORE, UM, SOMETHING THAT THEY EMBRACED A LITTLE BIT, UH, WITH THE VILLAGE RETAIL BEING, BEING THAT THING THAT WE'LL DISCUSS HERE IN A MINUTE, IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. 
          THE FOURTH OPTION I IS, IS, UM, BASICALLY SHOWING OUR NEIGHBORS OUR ZONE TECHNOLOGY FLEX. 
          AND IF WE CAN'T COME TO SOME CONCLUSION ON THE VILLAGE RETAIL AND MIXED USE COMMUNITY, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, ONE OPTION IS TO JUST EXTEND THE TECHNOLOGY FLEX DISTRICT AND DO THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED PER CODE. 
          SO WE SHOWED THESE FOUR OPTIONS. 
          I BELIEVE THERE WAS A LOT OF TRACTION ON OPTION C, THE ONE THAT WE PREVIOUSLY LOOKED AT. 
          AND THEREFORE WE WENT AWAY FROM THOSE MEETINGS AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME DEVELOPING THIS, WHICH IS A MORE CONCEPTUAL CARTOON TYPE DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS REALLY FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          THE CORNER BEING THE VILLAGE RETAIL, I DON'T HAVE A POINTER HERE, BUT, UM, DO I ? SO THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, A AND A ARE, UH, ONE TO TWO STORY BUILDINGS. 
          UH, I'LL SHOW YOU IMAGES HERE IN A MINUTE OF WHAT WE THINK THEY SHOULD, SHOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT THEY HAVE RESTAURANTS, ICE CREAM STORES, COFFEE SHOPS, THAT KIND OF THING WHERE PEOPLE WALK, BIKE FROM RE AND AROUND TO, TO THESE USES. 
          COULD BE OFFICES IN THERE, A FINANCIAL GUY, TAX GUY, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          UH, THE OTHER BUILDING NEXT TO THAT, TO THE WEST, THAT B BUILDING IS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING A MIXED USE TYPE OF BUILDING. 
          SO MAYBE THE FIRST FLOOR IS A RETAIL SHOPS, RESTAURANTS, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          UH, MAYBE THE SECOND, THIRD FLOOR, IF THERE IS A THIRD FLOOR IS OFFICE. 
          COULD BE RESIDENTIAL, WHERE YOU OWN THE RESIDENTIAL SIX MONTHS AND THEN SIX MONTHS IN FLORIDA, YOU COME BACK AND YOU PLAY GOLF FOR THE SUMMER. 
          WHO KNOWS? BUT IT'S MORE OF A LOCK AND GO TYPE OF THING. 
          IF IT WERE RESIDENTIAL, THE BUILDING C THERE THAT YOU SEE, WE, WE KIND OF LOOKED AT THAT AS A COMMUNITY ASSET TYPE BUILDING. 
          THERE WAS SOME MENTIONED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS OF THE THOUGHT THAT, UH, THE GOLF CLUB OF DUBLIN AND, AND THE PUB INSIDE OF IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS REALLY NICE THING WHERE EVERYBODY WENT TO, AND IT IS, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, BUT WE WERE THINKING MAYBE WE COULD HAVE AN IRISH PUB HERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR, 
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IF THERE IS A THIRD FLOOR WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL OR OFFICE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO OUR USES ARE MORE MIXED, HORIZONTALLY AND VERTICALLY VERSUS CONCEPT A, B, AND D THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, THEN TO THE SOUTH. 
          ALL THE REST OF THAT IS, UM, WHAT WE THINK IS, IS A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT THAT WE BELIEVE BRINGS LIFE TO THIS VILLAGE. 
          UM, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S CONDOMINIUMS OR APARTMENTS, IS, IS TOO, TOO EARLY TO TELL, BUT THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF THE PERSON THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO BE, THERE ISN'T THE YOUNG, UM, PARTY TYPE CROWD THAT YOU SEE MAYBE DOWN AT TOLL OR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. 
          IT'S A MORE MATURE CROWD. 
          THOSE BUILDINGS RIGHT THERE ARE CONCEPTUAL, BUT THE IDEA IS THEY ALL HAVE GARAGES. 
          THEY'RE TWO AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS. 
          THEY'RE DESIGNED TO LOOK LIKE A BIGGER HOUSE. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE READ THAT IN YOUR PACKET. 
          AND, AND THERE'S A FEW IMAGES HERE I CAN SHOW YOU. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS A LOT OF USES KIND OF MIXED. 
          THERE'S A ROAD NETWORK THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE THAT CONNECTS TO THE POOL. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT LAND USE AND ACCESS POINTS, AND WE'RE LIMITED BY THE ACCESS POINTS TO SOME DEGREE. 
          WE'RE SHOWING TWO FULL SERVICE CURB CUTS. 
          AND ONE WIRE DIDN'T RIGHT OUT, UH, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, UM, THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO LIMIT THE WARNER TEMPLE ROAD VEHICULAR ACCESS POINTS. 
          THEY WANTED THAT TO BE MORE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLES AND BIKE PATHS. 
          SO WE ELIMINATED, UM, THE RIDE IN RIGHT OUT, WE HAD SHOWN THERE AT THE DIRECTION OF THE STAFF AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE'RE ONLY SHOWING AN ACCESS POINT WHERE THE EXISTING POOL ACCESS POINT IS. 
          SO WE WOULD SHARE THAT AND EMBELLISH THAT. 
          AND THEN THE FURTHEST SOUTH POINT YOU SEE IS THE OTHER FULL SERVICE CURB CUT, WHICH LINES UP WITH THE, THE CAR WASH ACROSS THE STREET. 
          I SHOW THESE IMAGES. 
          EVERYONE I THINK KNOWS WHAT BALANCE TRADE LOOKS LIKE, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS TAKE THE ELEMENTS THAT MAKE IT HAVE A SENSE OF PLACE, UH, THE STONE WALLS, WATER, THESE LITTLE ROCK RUINS THAT ARE PLACED OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD AND, AND MAYBE WHITE COLUMNS, WHICH IS THE ENTRANCE TO, UH, THE GOLF CLUB OF DUBLIN. 
          AND WE WANT TO, UH, INCLUDE ALL THESE TYPE ELEMENTS INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE WE'RE FAR FROM HAVING FINAL ARCHITECTURE, BUT THE IDEA HERE IS, UM, IRISH VILLAGE, RIGHT? SO YOU GOT, YOU, YOU GOT BUILDINGS THAT ARE TWO AND THREE STORIES, A LOT OF FENESTRATION CHANGES, A LOT OF HEIGHT CHANGES AND, AND, AND DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. 
          PAINTED STONE PITCHED ROOFS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. 
          THE BUILDING THERE TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS, IS WHAT WE THINK MIGHT BE, UH, ICONIC LITTLE LANDMARK AT THE VERY CORNER OF THIS DEVELOPMENT UP ON WARNER TEMPLE AND AVERY, AND I'LL POINT OUT THE, THE BUILDING THERE IN THE MIDDLE BOTTOM IS THE, AN IDEA THAT IT KIND OF ENCOMPASSES WHAT WE THINK THIS RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF THIS CAN BE, WHETHER IT'S WHITE BAT AND BOARD LIKE THAT OR NOT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A BIGGER HOUSE. 
          IT'S NOT AN APARTMENT BUILDING WHERE YOU HAVE BREEZEWAYS AND, AND STAIRS THAT YOU SEE. 
          THEY'RE MORE GARAGE ORIENTED, MORE SCALE ORIENTED FOR, FOR, TO FIT INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY OF BALL ANDRE. 
          SO, UM, GOALS THAT WE HAD, UH, LIKE I SAID, IS TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE WHERE WE OWN ONE LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY, SIX ACRES ON THE CORNER, AND FIRST OF ALL, EXPAND IT. 
          AND WE'VE DONE THAT AND IT COULD EVEN GET BIGGER, I THINK, OVER TIME AND, AND, AND MAYBE GROW. 
          WE'VE HAD INTEREST FROM ADJOINING NEIGHBORS TO MAYBE HAVE, UM, BE A PART OF THIS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE SIX ACRES AND MAKE IT 25 OR SO, CLEAN UP THIS CORNER. 
          YOU KNOW, PARKS DRILLING IS PARKS DRILLING, IT'S INDUSTRIAL, THERE'S CRANES, THERE'S THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          UM, AND WE JUST THINK WE CAN DO A LOT HERE TO DRESS UP THIS CORNER AND MAKE IT AN ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP THE BIGGER PICTURE THOUGH. 
          I'M GONNA LET THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH IS VERY THOROUGH, AND, AND THE PACKET GO INTO THE DETAILS. 
          AND WE'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS, ALL THE TEAM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO STAFF. 
          MR. BEITA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS TO THE FIRST APPLICATION THAT WE HAD, AND THAT WE ARE AT PRETTY MUCH STEP ZERO RIGHT NOW. 
          THIS IS AN INFORMAL, UH, PRESENTATION. 
          IF THE PROJECT DOES MOVE FORWARD, IT GOES TO THE FIRST FORMAL STEP, WHICH IS THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND THEN THE PRELIMINARY 
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DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING. 
          BECAUSE AS WE TALK, UH, THROUGH THIS PROJECT, IT WOULD REQUIRE REZONING TO A PLANNED DISTRICT AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL AS WITH THE FIRST APPLICATION AND THEN FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL BY THIS COMMISSION. 
          SO AGAIN, TONIGHT'S INTENT IS TO ALLOW FOR SOME NON-BINDING FEEDBACK, UH, SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN CONSIDER, UH, IF AND HOW THEY MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT THERE'S NO DETERMINATION ON THE APPLICATION AT THIS TIME. 
          THE, UH, SITE LOCATION, I THINK MR. FIGHT DID A NICE JOB OF DESCRIBING THE LOCATION, BUT JUST GENERAL CONTEXT WITH THE BALL TREE COMMUNITY PARK TO THE NORTH ACROSS WARNER TEMPLE ROAD, THE DUBLIN COMMUNITY POOLED SOUTH TO THE WEST, UM, ANOTHER PARK, UH, UH, BALL, UM, SORRY, THE, UH, ANOTHER PARK TO THE EAST AND THEN SOME INDUSTRIAL USES WITHIN THE PROJECT SITE. 
          AND THEN SOUTH OF IT, UM, ON THE SAME SIDE OF AVERY ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE, THERE'S, I MENTIONED THE PARK. 
          THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND A CAR WASH AND A MIX OF USES IN THERE. 
          SO IT'S A PRETTY MUCH A PARK SETTING, AT LEAST, UH, NEAR THE, UH, CORNER OF THE TWO ROADWAYS. 
          THE, AS MR FIVE MENTIONED, IT'S THREE PARCELS. 
          THE NORTHERNMOST PARCEL IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND IS ZONED R ONE, WHICH IS, UH, RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, WHICH TYPICALLY ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY USES AND RELATED, UH, TYPES OF USES. 
          THE TWO SOUTHERN PARCELS ARE ZONED, UH, TECHNOLOGY FLEX, WHICH ALLOW A VARIETY OF INDUSTRIAL OFFICE, COMMERCIAL AND CIVIC USES. 
          THE, UH, GENERAL AREA IS DESIGNATED IN THE, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN AS PART OF THE AVERY ROAD CORRIDOR PLAN. 
          AND SO TO THE LEFT YOU SEE THE, UH, GENERAL IDEA IN THAT COMMUNITY PLAN FOR AT LEAST THE CONCEPTS THAT WERE ENVISIONED FOR THIS AREA. 
          THE RED BOUNDARY REPRESENTS THE THREE PARCELS THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP. 
          AND AS YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SEE, THE VISION WAS FOR A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, AREA OF THE, UH, PROJECT, UH, SITE. 
          AND THEN SOUTH OF IT, THERE WAS, UH, VISION FOR NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE AND SOME, UH, MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE, UH, YOU CAN, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE HERE, THE SETBACKS WERE ENVISIONED AS BEING PRETTY GENEROUS TO ALLOW FOR VIEWS INTO THE PARKS ON THE NORTH AND AND EAST. 
          AND THE CHARACTER WAS INTENDED TO BE ONE TO TWO STORY, UH, COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE SOME IMAGES TO THE RIGHT AS TO HOW THAT WAS ENVISIONED TO, TO FUNCTION. 
          THE, UH, INTENT AGAIN ALSO WAS TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY TO THE WHAT MAY HAPPEN TO THE SOUTH AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY POOL. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, ACCESS DRIVE WAS ENVISIONED AS THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. 
          IT WAS ENVISIONED TO SHARE THE ACCESS WITH THE COMMUNITY POOL AND THEN ANOTHER FULL ACCESS A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH FROM WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING IT. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THE, UH, INTENT WAS TO PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED, UM, COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, RETAIL, RESTAURANT, UH, THOSE TYPES OF DAILY SERVICES. 
          AGAIN, ONE TO TWO STORY WAS ENVISIONED AT, AT ABOUT 60,000 SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN BOTH INDICATE THAT, UH, INTEGRATED RESIDENTIAL USES ARE HIGHLY ENCOURAGED AS PART OF, UH, BRINGING LIFE TO THE, UH, TO THE RETAIL AREA. 
          THE, UH, THE OPTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENTED, UH, MR. FIFE WENT THROUGH THEM. 
          SO I WILL, UH, SKIP THROUGH THOSE OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT OPTIONS A, B, AND C ALL WOULD REQUIRE REZONING TO PLAN DISTRICT, UH, OPTION D WOULD REQUIRE REZONING OF THE NORTHERN PARCEL TO TECHNOLOGY FLEX. 
          SO WITH THAT, WE FOCUS ON THE PROPOSAL, UH, THAT MR. FIGHT, UM, EXPLAINED WITH PROPOSAL C. 
          ALTERNATIVE C, THE, UH, THIS WOULD INCLUDE IN, IN THE, UH, BUILDINGS IN THE A BUILDINGS WOULD INCLUDE ABOUT 25 TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL RESTAURANT, SIMILAR USES. 
          AND THEN THOSE WOULD BE ONE TO TWO, ONE AND A HALF, ONE AND A HALF TO TWO STORY BUILDINGS. 
          AND THEN BUILDINGS, UH, B AND C WOULD BE UP TO THREE STORIES. 
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SO, UH, AGAIN, WE WILL BE ASKING YOU IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, DISCUSSION AS ONE OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS ABOUT THE HEIGHT, BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY PLANT TALKS ABOUT ONE TO TWO STORIES, AND WE HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR UP TO THREE STORIES. 
          BUT THOSE WOULD BE MIXED USE BUILDINGS, UH, AS MR. FIGHT, UH, MENTIONED, AND WOULD INCLUDE, UH, POTENTIALLY SOME COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR, WHICH MAY UP THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO WHAT WAS ENVISIONED IN THE PLAN. 
          THE, UH, SETBACKS AS YOU SEE HERE, ARE A LITTLE, UM, LESS THAN WHAT WAS ENVISIONED IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          SO THAT MAY BE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ITEM ABOUT THE SITE LAYOUT AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE SOUTH, UM, IN THE SOUTH HALF OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AGAIN, MR. FE MENTIONED THE IDEA OF HAVING THE, UH, THE BIG HOUSE, IF YOU WILL, AS, UH, ME MENTIONED, WHICH WOULD BE MULTIPLE UNITS IN A LARGER STRUCTURE THAT STILL LOOKS LIKE A LARGE HOUSE, UH, BASED ON THE FOOTPRINTS AS SHOWN RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THE PRELIMINARY COUNT OF, UH, THE NUMBER OF UNITS WHICH, UH, IS SHOWN AS 175 TO 200, UH, WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT ACTUALLY FITS IN WITH THE CONCEPT OF THE BIG HOUSE. 
          IT, IT SEEMS TO IMPLY, UH, THAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THE IMAGES. 
          SO AS THAT, IF THAT PROGRESSES, THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS WE'LL BE, UH, LOOKING AT ADDRESSING THE, UH, ACCESS POINTS. 
          AGAIN, ONE WOULD BE SHARED WITH THE, UH, COMMUNITY POOL. 
          THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE ACROSS FROM THE CAR WASH. 
          THAT'S AS FAR SOUTH AS THEY CAN GET IT, UH, ON THIS DEVELOPMENT A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH FROM WHERE IT WAS ENVISIONED. 
          BUT, UH, GENERALLY, UM, AT THE PRELIMINARY LEVEL, IT SEEMS TO BE SUFFICIENT DISTANCE FROM THE INTERSECTION AS PART OF THE REZONING PROCESS, UH, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WOULD BE REQUIRED. 
          AND, UH, THOSE ACCESS POINTS WOULD BE STUDIED FURTHER, INCLUDING WHETHER THERE'S ANY IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE INTERSECTIONS OR WITHIN THE SITE THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED AT THAT TIME. 
          UH, ALSO THERE WILL NEED TO BE A DISCUSSION AT, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE STREETS RIGHT NOW, THERE IN INCLUDED AS, UH, OR SHOWN AS PRIVATE STREETS. 
          AND THERE MAY NEED TO BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT CONNECT TO OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE SOME POTENTIAL ACCESS POINTS TO THE SOUTH AS ENVISION IN THE PLAN, AND WHETHER, UH, ROADWAYS THAT CONNECT TO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS SHOULD BE PUBLIC. 
          AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE DISCUSSION. 
          MR. FIGHT EXPLAINED THE CHARACTER IMAGES, AGAIN, THE, UH, U THE PICTURE ON THE, UH, AND THE MIDDLE ON THE BOTTOM SIDE OF THE SLIDE IS INTENDED TO CONVEY THE CONCEPT OF THE, UH, OF THE BIG HALVES. 
          MAY, MAYBE NOT THE ARCHITECTURE NECESSARILY, BUT, UH, HOW THAT, AGAIN, JIVES WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE. 
          THE INTENT AGAIN, IS TO BLEND IN WITH THE CHARACTER OF BALANCE TREE AND PARK. 
          AND SO AGAIN, THE ARCHITECTURE AS, UH, WAS EXPLAINED, UH, HAS THAT INTENT. 
          AND SIMILARLY, THE SITE FEATURES WITH THE, UH, WITH THE WALLS AND SOME OF THE PEDESTRIAN PLAZAS AND FUNCTIONAL SPACES WHERE, UH, RUINS WOULD BE INCLUDED, UH, GATEWAY FEATURES AND SO FORTH WOULD BE INCORPORATED. 
          UH, I SHOULD NOTE, THERE IS A BIKE PATH, UH, AT THE NORTH END OF THE SIDE RIGHT NOW WITH A TUNNEL THAT GOES UNDERNEATH AVERY ROAD. 
          SO THEY'RE SHOWING A CONNECTION TO THAT. 
          AGAIN, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, UH, UH, PEDESTRIAN, UH, WALKABILITY WOULD BE SOMETHING SETH WOULD BE LOOKING AT IF THIS MOVES FORWARD. 
          UH, UH, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE, UM, UH, PERIMETER ROADWAYS AND WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHERE, UH, NO, NO WALKWAYS ARE SHOWN AT THIS POINT. 
          AGAIN, THE CHARACTER IMAGES THAT YOU SAW. 
          AND THEN THIS WAS A, AN IMAGE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT AS PART OF THE APPLICATION MATERIALS. 
          UH, AGAIN, COMPARING THE PROPOSAL IN THE, UH, THAT'S BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT GENERALLY THE ACCESS POINTS, THE IDEA OF PARKING BEING WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN ON THE PERIMETER. 
          AND, UH, THE GENERAL CONNECTIVITY TO THE SOUTH ARE ALL CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN, THE MIX OF USES, UH, AGAIN, THIS INCORPORATES RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THAT NORTHERN COMPONENT. 
          AND THE, UH, PROXIMITY TO THE, UH, TWO ROADWAYS, UH, ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          SO WITH THAT, WE PREPARED A FEW DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS WHETHER THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OF THE PROPOSED USES, AND THE OTHER TWO ARE PREDICATED ON WHETHER 
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THE COMMISSION IS IN FACT SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE USES. 
          AND THAT'S IF THE, UH, UH, PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT AND THE, UH, CHARACTER OF THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS AND THEIR HEIGHT IS APPROPRIATE. 
          WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE'LL LOOK TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS ONLY, MR. CHINO. 
          ALRIGHT, NO QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          CAN, CAN YOU FLIP BACK ONE, ONE PA ONE SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO, AND I WAS TRYING TO LOOK IT UP AND I MISSED IT OR COULDN'T FIND IT. 
          THE, THE SETBACK AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS OBVIOUSLY A BIT DI IT WAS SETBACK FROM WARNER TEMPLE. 
          THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF GREEN SPACE, AND THAT FEELS MORE IN CHARACTER WITH THE ENT, THAT WHOLE WARNER TEMPLE ENTRANCE WITH THE PARK ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UM, AND THE, AND THE PROPOSED PLANE HERE KIND OF ELIMINATES THAT SETBACK. 
          IS THERE, IS THERE A CERTAIN GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT SETBACK THERE? SO THE PLAN SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK ALONG AVERY ROAD'S A HUNDRED FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S SILENT ON THE SETBACK ALONG WARNER TEMPLE ROAD. 
          UH, OTHER THAN A GENERAL NOTE ABOUT PRESERVING THE VIEWS TO THE, UH, PARKS. 
          SO IT IMPLIES A LARGER SETBACK, BUT IT'S SILENT ON, ON A SPECIFIC NUMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, AND THEN OTHER QUE, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID THE HEIGHTS, JUST TO REITERATE, THE TWO STORY WAS THE MAX HEIGHT. 
          IT, IT'S THE, AGAIN, WITH, WITH THE PLAN, IT'S, UH, KINDA A VISION, BUT IT SHOWS ONE TO TWO STORY BUILDINGS IN THE PLAN IS WHAT WAS ENVISIONED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. CHINOOK. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. LAC? OH, THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, FOR MICHAEL, WE'VE, UM, OVER THE YEARS WE SEE LOTS OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, RIGHT? THERE'S CLEARLY SOME, UH, GARAGE LOADING ON THESE UNITS. 
          WHERE'S THE FRONT DOORS? CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? YOUR, YOUR MICROPHONE IS NOT ON. 
          IF YOU COULD PRESS THE BUTTON AT THE BASE, IT IS NOW ON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S, IT'S EARLY IN THE DESIGN. 
          I, I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          SO SOME OF THESE UNITS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE BACK LOADED UNITS. 
          IE THE FRONT DOOR MIGHT BE, AND, AND THEY'RE VERY WELL SET UP POTENTIALLY TO HAVE THE FRONT DOOR FACING, UH, A STREET, UH, A ROADWAY THAT GOES BY THEM. 
          IS THERE ANY THROUGH FRONT AND ON THE SIDES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE GARAGES ARE KIND OF TUCKED UP IN THERE FROM THE BACK AND THE SIDES. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW, WHERE'S THE PICTURE OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING? SO THAT BUILDING ON THE BOTTOM IN THE MIDDLE IS ACTUALLY THE BUILDING THAT WE LAID OUT THERE. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU, YOU DON'T SEE THOSE GARAGES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AT ALL. 
          THEY'RE IN THE BACK AND THE LAYOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EARLY IN THE PROCESS HERE, SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO ON, ON THAT DETAIL. 
          SURE. 
          WHETHER IT'S 175 OR 200 OR, OR LESS IS, WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT THE IDEA IS IT'S MORE OF A HOUSE, MORE OF A HOME, JUST A LITTLE BIGGER VERSUS AN APARTMENT BUILDING. 
          AND, AND THAT'S THE SCALE WE WANT TO TRY TO CONTINUE WITH. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THEY'RE HIDDEN TO SOME DEGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU, YOU ANSWERED IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU, YOU ANSWERED IT. 
          AND AGAIN, I, I'M RECOGNIZED RIGHT, THE SENSITIVITY OF IT'S VERY, VERY EARLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT, BUT AT LEAST THERE'S SOME FORETHOUGHT ABOUT HOW THAT'S SHAKEN UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SUE. 
          BLACK MS. HARDER. 
          I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, ONE, CAN YOU CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PICTURE OF THE HOME, IF THAT HOME, WELL, I SEE, UH, DIFFERENT SCALES OF, OF A HOME, A DIFFERENT LOOK. 
          'CAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT PICTURES OF DIFFERENT LOOKING OR WILL THEY ALL BE OF THAT LOOK? UM, THE ONLY PICTURE OF A HOME IS THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, ON THE BOTTOM. 
          UM, SO, AND THAT'S JUST A REPRESENTATION OF THE IDEA. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          UM, SO THERE'S DIFFERENT SCALES. 
          SOME OF THE BUILDINGS MIGHT BE TWO STORIES ON THE END, MAYBE THREE IN THE MIDDLE, WHATEVER MAKES THE ARCHITECTURE LOOK APPROPRIATE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LOOK FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFERENT COLORS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          TOO EARLY TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFICS, BUT THE IDEA IS IT'S, OH, SURE. 
          ECLECTIC, THERE'S A MIX OF BUILDING TYPES. 
          IT KIND OF HAPPENED OVER TIME INSTEAD OF A PROJECT IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ASSESS. 
          AND THE, AND THE BUSINESSES THAT YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT UPFRONT. 
          UM, THAT, AND THEN ON TOP COULD BE EITHER, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE OFFICES OR RESIDENTIAL, UM, THE ONES ON THE GROUND, UH, THEY ARE TO ALWAYS BE, UH, YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS AND 
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SO FORTH. 
          THEY WOULDN'T BE INCORPORATED INTO A, UM, A RESIDENTIAL. 
          YEAH, THE IDEA IS THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE MOSTLY RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF USE. 
          AND, AND THE SECOND THIRD FLOOR WOULD BE, IT COULD BE OFFICES ON THE SECOND FLOOR. 
          SURE. 
          BUT THEY COULDN'T BE MODIFIED, BUT ALSO COULD BE RESIDENTIAL, AGAIN, VERY EARLY. 
          THE IDEA OF A MIXED USE INSIDE OF ONE BUILDING IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT HERE TONIGHT IS, IS THAT DIRECTION APPROPRIATE VERSUS OFFICE BUILDING THEN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, THE MORE TYPICAL APPROACH TO DEVELOPMENT. 
          LAST QUESTION JUST FOR THE CITY TOO, IS WHEN THEY'RE COMING OUT TOWARDS THE POOL AREA, IS THAT WHERE THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL ALSO BE DONE AS WELL TOO? UH, INCORPORATING THAT, YES. 
          IF IT GOES THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, SORRY, I HAD A QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION IF YOU DON'T MIND TO INTERJECT. 
          SO THE, YOU, YOU, YOU REFERENCE ON, UH, THE D BUILDINGS 200, 1 75 TO 200 UNITS. 
          HOW MANY UNITS DO YOU, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER FOR THE OTHER AREA WHERE YOU CALL IT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL ABOVE HOW MANY ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS WOULD BE IN THE A AND BC BUILDINGS WHERE YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVEN'T, YOU HAVEN'T GOT THAT FAR? I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? MR. WE, UM, I JUST WANTED, I HAVE ONE, UH, AND IT'S PROBABLY JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THE, ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR PRIVATE DRIVE BE, UM, WHICH CONNECTS FROM THE POOL TO AVERY ROAD, AND YOU HAVE THIS FEATURE ALONG IT, IT DOESN'T SHOW A WALKWAY, BUT IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN IT SHOWS A WALKWAY CONNECTION. 
          WOULD YOU ENVISION A WALKWAY ALONG THAT ROAD THAT KIND OF CONNECTS THE, THE POOL WITH AVERY AND THEN YOU CAN GET ON THE WALKWAY AND AVERY AND GO NORTH, ASK YOU, BUT I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T IGNORE. 
          SORRY. 
          IT'S NOT YOU. 
          IT'S, NO, NO, IT'S, NO, NO PROBLEM. 
          I CAN SPEAK. 
          SO DO YOU ENVISION A WALKWAY THAT RUNS ALONG PRIVATE DRIVE B, WHICH IS WHAT? THE COMMUNITY PLAN SHOWS A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION GENERALLY IN THAT AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          IT, IT JUST DOESN'T SHOW A WALKWAY ON, ON THE PLAN. 
          I JUST WONDERED IF YOU WERE AVOIDING THAT OR IT JUST HADN'T BEEN DRAWN YET. 
          NO, NO, IT, IT, IT'S THERE. 
          IT'S UNDER THE TREES, SO TO SPEAK. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S LITTLE TREES THERE. 
          WE HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. WE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR EITHER STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. FISHMAN? JUST ONE QUICK ONE. 
          I, I LIKE THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          UH, HAS THERE BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE? THERE HAS NOT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          WHAT? THERE HAS NOT BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          THERE'S 400 CARS COMING OUT OF THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          ON THE RY ROAD THERE, THERE WOULD BE A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          SHOULD THE REZONING, THERE WOULD BE A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          OH, THERE WILL BE. 
          YES. 
          IT SAYS THAT'S WHEN WORKING WITH STAFF OR GREAT. 
          DETERMINE HOW TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. FISHMAN. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          AT THIS TIME, UH, WE DID RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING FROM, UH, UH, SMALLWOOD SMALLWOOD, TRACY SMALLWOOD, AND FROM SOMEONE LAST NAME MA, I DON'T REMEMBER THE FIRST NAME. 
          UH, TYLER MA. 
          AND SO THOSE HAVE BEEN RECORDED IN THE RECORD. 
          THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          AWESOME. 
          HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY SINCE WE GOT THOSE TWO PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WERE INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET? YES, WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE. 
          AND I'LL CHECK TO SEE IF WE HAVE OTHERS. 
          THIS IS FROM MIKE BACON AND HE HAS TWO COMMENTS. 
          NUMBER ONE, WHAT LEVEL OF RESIDENCES OR APARTMENTS ARE BEING PLANNED FOR THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY PLAN C. 
          THIS SEEMS TO BE AN EXCESSIVELY HIGH HOUSING DENSITY FOR A SMALL AREA AND MIGHT REFLECT H UH, MIGHT REFLECT LOW LEVEL HOUSING BELOW THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THIS COULD SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT BALANCE RAY. 
          SO THAT WAS ITEM ONE. 
          ITEM TWO, HAVE STUDIES BEEN DONE ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT OF SUCH A DENSE, DENSE POPULATION UNIT ON THIS CORNER. 
          THIS WOULD SEEM TO CAUSE A SIGNIFICANT BOTTLENECK ON WARNER TEMPLE TURNING LEFT ONTO AVERY AND A MAJOR INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AT THIS AREA IN GENERAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND IF YOU COULD CHECK TO SEE IF ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT HAS COME IN. 
          IN THE MEANTIME, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS INFORMAL REVIEW ITEM TO COME FORWARD. 
          THE MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON, UH, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. 
          AND WE DO ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. 
          UH, YES. 
          MY NAME IS CRAIG WALLACE. 
          I'M AT 7 0 1 6 WATERS EDGE DRIVE IN BALLANT TREE. 
          AND I HAVE MET WITH, UH, THESE GENTLEMEN, UH, THREE TIMES AS THEY'VE MET WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF VERY GOOD DISCUSSION AS MICHAEL HAS, UH, RELAYED TO YOU, I THINK PRETTY ACCURATELY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ON WHAT HE LAID OUT. 
          UM, OUR 
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BIGGEST CONCERNS ARE BASICALLY APPEARANCE AND TRAFFIC, NOISE AND LIGHTING. 
          AND, UM, THIS AREA HAS, AS YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN A GREEN SPACE. 
          IT'S BEEN VERY NICE TO HAVE THAT AREA, BUT ALSO INDUSTRIAL WITH PARKER DRILLING. 
          SO WE WOULD BE PLEASED TO HAVE PARKER DRILLING, UH, MOVED OUT AND THEN HAVE SOMETHING DONE APPROPRIATELY WITH THE GREEN SPACE. 
          UH, FROM THE APPEARANCE SIDE, WE DEFINITELY TALKED ABOUT A AND B BEING NO MORE THAN TWO STORY. 
          I UNDERSTAND HE'S LOOKING AT THREE, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT LOWRISE, ONE STORY MORE RETAIL OR RES, UH, RESTAURANT TYPE THINGS WHERE YOU COULD HAVE, UH, SEATING OUTSIDE ALONG THE WARNER TEMPLE SIDE AND, UH, THEN HAVE MAYBE, UH, DOCTOR'S OFFICES, DENTIST OFFICES, INVESTMENT SERVICES, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THAT WOULD ONLY BE A DAYTIME USE, NOT HAVE, UH, GAS STATIONS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH THEY HAVE NOT INCLUDED. 
          WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND, UH, AND ALSO, UH, NOISE BEING ANOTHER PART OF IT, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, ANOTHER COMMENT WAS MADE WAS ALSO SOMETHING WE HAVE, UH, OBJECTED TO. 
          THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS VERY HIGH. 
          WE FEEL LIKE MORE CONDOS, MORE PERMANENT RESIDENTS AND LESS TRANSIENT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER AND MUCH LESS UNITS, UH, IN THE, IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          WE, UH, ALSO DID NOT, UM, TALK ABOUT HAVING, UH, THE MIXED USE NECESSARILY ALONG WARNER TEMPLE, BUT MORE, UH, SOUTHERN, UH, AND TRAFFIC IS CERTAINLY A BIG CONCERN. 
          AND YOU ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND BECAUSE THIS IS OUR ENTRANCE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S BASICALLY ONE ENTRANCE. 
          UH, WE DO NOT WANT THAT TO BACK UP EITHER IN OR OUT. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, LATE NIGHT, UM, ACTIVITIES WE'D LIKE TO MINIMIZE, IN OTHER WORDS, WITH WHATEVER GOES IN THERE, NOT HAVE THINGS THAT WOULD BE LATE NIGHT WITH APPEARANCE, NOISE LIGHTING, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, BACK TO MORE OF AN OFFICE SETTING, UH, SOME TYPE OF RESTAURANT THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD LIKE TO GO TO, WHETHER YOU'RE COMING FROM THE POOL OR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD, UH, BE VERY, UH, UH, OPEN, BUT NOT NECESSARILY DRIVE THROUGH TYPE RESTAURANT, BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WHERE YOU COULD GO IN AND EAT. 
          UM, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CHECKING MY NOTES HERE FOR ANY OTHER COMMENTS. 
          UM, WE DO LIKE THE PROCESS. 
          THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THEM HAS BEEN EXCELLENT. 
          THEY'VE BEEN VERY OPEN TO WHAT WE'VE HAD TO SAY. 
          IT'S BEEN GOOD DISCUSSIONS. 
          WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TALK TO YOU TONIGHT ALSO. 
          AND I DID WANNA MENTION THE SETBACKS ON WARNER TEMPLE. 
          UM, I KNOW IN YOUR ALL'S PLAN THERE WAS A BIGGER GREEN SPACE, WHICH WOULD BE ACTUALLY FINE. 
          UH, THEY'RE TRYING TO MIX, YOU KNOW, UH, INCOME GENERATING PROPERTY, I UNDERSTAND WITH THAT. 
          BUT WHATEVER WE COULD DO ALONG WARNER TEMPLE FOR APPEARANCE AS FAR AS WITH THE BACK OF THE BUILDINGS OR THE, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS, WHATEVER THEY ARE, MEET WITH THE APPEARANCE OF BALL ANDRE, AS WELL AS PROVIDING GREEN SPACE, THE WALKING PATHS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          VERY IMPORTANT TO THE RESIDENTS. 
          SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THEM AS WE DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VERY, UH, ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE BALANCE TRADE RESIDENCE. 
          THANK YOU MR. WALLACE. 
          THE MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          66 IN BALL TREE. 
          UM, I'M A RESIDENT OF A CONDO COMMUNITY IN THE BALL TREE AREA, THE LAKES OF BALL TREE. 
          I'M THE PRESIDENT OF, OF OUR, UH, OUR, UM, BALL TREE ASSOCIATION OR OF THE, UH, THE LAKES CONDO ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, WHILE I'M NOT HERE TO REPRESENT THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, I AM A PERSON THAT LIVES IN A MULTIFAMILY DWELLING. 
          AND, UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS ABOUT DO WE WANT MULTIFAMILY IN THE BALANCE TRAY AREA? AND I THINK OBVIOUSLY THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSING IN THE BALANCE TRAY COMMUNITY IS SINGLE FAMILY. 
          BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN THE BALANCE TRAY AREA. 
          AND I THINK THE CONCEPT OF AN UPSCALE, UM, APARTMENT FIELD TYPE THING ISN'T TOTALLY REPREHENSIBLE TO, UH, UM, TO ME PERSONALLY BEING A RESIDENT OF A MULTIFAMILY DWELLING, UM, THAT IS IN A UPSCALE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT IS CONSIDERED AN UPSCALE MULTIFAMILY DWELLING. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M ENCOURAGED BY THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THIS GROUP. 
          I'VE BEEN A PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT, THAT HAVE OCCURRED WITH COMMUNITY 
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MEMBERS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT IT'S JUST, UH, UM, IT, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS. 
          VASTLY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE THAN WHAT WE GOT WHEN WE GOT THE TURKEY HILL ON THE CORNER OF AVERY AND SHIRE RINGS, WHERE THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY WHATSOEVER. 
          AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, UH, WE HAD A, WE HAD A A, A STRUCTURE THERE THAT WE HAD NO INPUT ON. 
          UH, THE CITY WAS GREAT IN TALKING TO OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE HOSPITAL, AND YOU ALL REMEMBER WHAT WE DID. 
          WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE, WITH THE LIGHT POLES AND ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          AND IT'S THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION AND OPEN INTERCHANGE WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS AND CHANGES IN THAT AREA THAT MAKE THE RESIDENTS FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING HEARD AND, AND THAT, UM, THEY, IT CREATES AN, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO WELCOME DEVELOPMENT INTO THE AREA AS LONG AS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE SOME INPUT. 
          AND I THINK AS, AS A, AS A, A CONCEPT OF A GATEWAY TO BALANCE TRAY, IF IT'S DONE RIGHT, IT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL THING IF IT TURNS INTO SOMETHING THAT'S TECH FLEX AND WE WIND UP WITH HEATING AND COOLING COMPANIES WITH GARAGE DOOR FRONT OPENINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED TO THE DEVELOPERS ABOUT AT OUR INITIAL MEETING, AND THEY WERE EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY, UM, WELCOMING TO THOSE COMMENTS. 
          AND, UH, YOU SAW FROM THE A A BC EVOLUTION TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, HOW WELL THEY'VE LISTENED TO, UH, THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS. 
          SO, UM, WE HOPE YOU'LL, UH, YOU'LL CONSIDER THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. SMITH. 
          ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON. 
          HI. 
          HI, I'M JACK CURTIS. 
          I LIVE AT 64 85 ENTRE PLACE. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN RESIDENTS OF ENTRE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR 20 YEARS NOW. 
          UM, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN, AND I WAS NOT IN ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, I DID GO TO THE MASTER ASSOCIATION HOA MEETING, UM, A WEEK AGO. 
          UM, THERE WAS REALLY MINIMAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, I'M SURE A LOT OF THE TALK WAS WITH THE BOARDS, BUT I THINK THERE WOULD BE MANY RESIDENTS WHO WOULD LIKE TO ERECT WEIGH IN, UM, ON THIS. 
          AND IT'S A MATTER OF GETTING THE WORD SPREAD. 
          SORRY, I'M KIND OF LOSING MY VOICE. 
          UM, BUILDING HEIGHT IS A MAJOR CONCERN. 
          UM, I THINK, AND IT WILL BE FOR MOST PEOPLE. 
          UH, THE CITY PLAN CALLS FOR TWO ONE AND TWO STORY. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THAT. 
          UM, I, I THINK THREE STORY IS GONNA BE OBTRUSIVE. 
          UM, WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF MULTIFAMILY AND THEY'VE BEEN IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE IN, AND IF THEY'RE GOING TOWARD HILLIARD AND THEY GO DOWN AVERY ROAD, THERE'S THE BIGGEST MISH MASH OF APARTMENTS AND IT'S A MESS DOWN THERE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WOULD BE AFRAID OF,  OF WHEN THEY START SEEING THESE TALL BUILDINGS AND SO FORTH. 
          SO, UM, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO URGE YOU TO CONSIDER STAYING WITH ONE AND TWO STORY. 
          UM, THE SETBACK ON AVERY ROAD THAT'S SHOWN IN THE CITY PLAN, UM, I THINK IS MUCH BETTER THAN BEING RIGHT OUT ON THE STREET. 
          UM, BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN GREEN SPACE FOREVER. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE, THE GEESE ARE GONNA GO, THAT NEST IN THERE. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S A BIG NESTING AREA IN THAT, IN THAT SPACE. 
          UM, MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT IS, IS THAT THE, THE PICTURE OF THE, THE BUILDING ON THE BOTTOM CENTER OF THE, OF THE SLIDE THAT HAD ALL THE BUILDINGS, UM, TO ME DOES NOT LOOK LIKE BALL TRAY HOMES AT ALL. 
          IT LOOKS VERY CONTEMPORARY. 
          UM, AND BALL TRAY HAS A LOT OF STONE AND BRICK AND NATURAL MATERIALS THAT LOOKS LIKE ST. 
          ANDREW'S ON FRANCE ROAD TO ME. 
          UM, THE WHITE STUCCO, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK THAT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S PART OF THE BALANCE TRADE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, NOT TRYING TO BE, UM, OVERLY UM, CRUEL ON THAT ONE, BUT I JUST, I AM A REALTOR. 
          UM, I SELL A LOT OF HOMES AND HAVE BEEN SELLING A LOT OF HOMES IN DUBLIN AND IN BALANCE TRAY. 
          THE OTHER PICTURES ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF DUBLIN. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THAT BOTTOM CENTER ONE IS DUBLIN. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CURTIS. 
          ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? HELLO, MY NAME IS BEN NOBLE AT 5 8 9 2 BARONS COURT. 
          WAY IN ENTRE. 
          UM, I WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAKING HERE. 
          I WORE SHORTS FOR GOD'S SAKE, SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ECHO JACK'S KIND OF SENTIMENT THAT I THINK A LOT OF THE MEMBERS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE 
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NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. 
          JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS ON A VERY LIVELY FACEBOOK DISCUSSION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK GROUP. 
          I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT NOT MORE OF THEM COULD BE HERE. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD SAY KIND OF THE OVERWHELMING SENTIMENT FROM THAT WAS IF THIS IS GONNA BE IN SERVICE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, RESTAURANTS, SHOPS, A COFFEE SHOP, A BOOKSTORE, THERE SEEMS TO BE SUPPORT FOR THAT OR ACCEPTANCE OF THAT. 
          UH, BUT THE OVERWHELMING OPINION SEEMS TO BE AGAINST THE LARGE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AGAINST THE MORE THAN TWO STORIES. 
          UM, JUST KIND OF TRYING TO SUMMARIZE WHAT EVERYBODY WAS SAYING IN THE GROUP. 
          UM, OUR HOA ONLY MEETS ONCE A YEAR, SO ANY DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE HAD WITH THE HOA IS STILL LEAVING OUT THE OVERWHELMING, NO OFFENSE TO THE HOA MEMBERS HERE, STILL LEAVING OUT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO DO, WHO'S NOT ON THAT HOA BOARD AND DOESN'T HAVE A SAY IN THOSE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS. 
          SO I WOULD JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE COULD BRING IN MORE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS, MORE PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY WHO WOULD LOVE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT HAD OTHER COMMITMENTS OR HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR COMMENTS. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. 
          UM, BUT I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE MY SUMMARY OF SORT OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE GROUP SO FAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          SINCE WE'RE REALLY EMPHASIZING THIS IS IN SERVICE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS AND FRANKLY, THE GATEWAY TO BALL TREE WE HAVE NOW IS QUITE SUFFICIENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE HERE FROM PUB FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT? CHRISTIAN COONEY 58 35 BARRON'S COURT WAY. 
          UM, I HAD THE BEING ON THE BOARD OF THE HOA WE STAFF R REACHED OUT TO THE BOARDS OF THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES WITHIN BALANCE TRAY. 
          SO THAT'S THE BALANCE TRAY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, THE LAKES OF BALANCE TRAY, THE VILLAS OF BALANCE TRAY, AND THE, UH, GLENS OF BALANCER. 
          AND SO ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THE HOAS WERE REPRESENTED IN THE DISCUSSIONS. 
          UM, THEY WANTED TO KEEP THE, THE QUANTITY OF INPUT FAIRLY NARROW, AND WE KNOW THAT WE STILL HAVE THE WHOLE LONG PROCESS TO GO THROUGH TO GET THE OVERALL, UH, INPUT. 
          UM, DO WANNA SAY OV WAS EXCELLENT. 
          IF EVER WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF UNDEVELOPED LAND AROUND US, THEY WERE STELLAR ON COMING BACK AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW IT ZONED TODAY. 
          WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT, WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT? WHAT ARE YOU GUYS THINKING ABOUT? AND, UM, COMING THE, THE EARLY PRIORITIES, AND I BELIEVE AFTER THE FIRST MEETING, WE SENT A SUMMARY TO THE CITY, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE TOLD THEM,  IS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATED TO THE, UH, TO PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          MAINTAINING THE PARK-LIKE FEEL IS HUGELY IMPORTANT TO US. 
          UH, THAT IS PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. 
          SO IN THAT VEIN, THE, THE SETBACKS BEING PUSHED UP TO THE BIKE PATH VERSUS THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, IS A CONCERN. 
          UM, HOWEVER, WE DO UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO BE MAKE A PROFITABLE BUILT PLACE, OR WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH A DUMP THAT DOESN'T HAVE TENANTS AND JUST ISN'T, ISN'T ECONOMICALLY VIABLE. 
          AND WE'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THAT PROPERTY DEVELOPED. 
          UM, SO MAINTAINING THE PART LIKE FIELD, SO IN BUILDINGS B AND C, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AGAIN, MAINTAINING THAT, UM, WOULD SAY THE, THE DEWEY'S, UH, STARBUCKS LOOK AND FEEL ALONG, ALONG, PARTICULARLY ALONG WARNER TEMPLE. 
          SO B AND C GOING UP HIGHER THAN TWO STORIES I THINK WOULD BE REALLY PROBLEMATIC FOR THE OVERALL PARK-LIKE FEEL OF WARNER TEMPLE. 
          UM, THE BUILDINGS IN THE BACK GIVEN PERSPECTIVES AND THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ON WARNER TEMPLE AND YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH TO THE PROPERTY, IF THEY ARE A THREE STORY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D NOTICE THAT. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, HEIGHT IS A HUGE, HUGE ISSUE. 
          UM, THE OTHER PIECE THAT WAS PROBABLY NUMBER TWO ON PRIORITY LEVEL IS RETAIL. 
          WE WANNA BE ABLE TO WALK TO A COFFEE HOUSE, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO WALK TO HAVE DINNER. 
          WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK SOMEWHERE TO MEET SOMEONE FOR A BEER. 
          UM, WE, WE WANT, WE REALLY WANT RETAIL THERE. 
          NOW, I DON'T UNDER 20,000 SQUARE FEET, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TRANSLATES INTO NUMBER OF OUTLETS. 
          UM, AND WE DO KNOW THAT THERE'S ALSO CHALLENGES OF, IT'S NOT A GREAT SPOT, RIGHT? SOUTH OF US, THEY TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IN A SHEETS AND PUTTING IN AN AL THESE, UH, EARLY ON AND APPARENTLY THOSE PEOPLE ARE CHOMPING AT THE BIT. 
          'CAUSE SOUTH OF US, IT EEC SOCIOECONOMICALLY BECOMES MORE, UH, UM, WELL,  MORE ATTACHED, ATTRACTED TO ALDIS AND, AND SHEETS AND APPARENTLY THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SIGN LEASES TODAY. 
          AND WE SHARED THAT WITH AVR AND OVV MOVED AWAY FROM THAT AS A USAGE. 
          THE, UM, GETTING RID OF PARKS OR GETTING, USING PARKS, DRILLING FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN STORING, UH, GIANT CRANES 
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AND, AND METAL WOULD BE GREAT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE ON THAT IS THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          EVERYONE HAS A VISCERAL REACTION TO, TO APARTMENTS. 
          AND I KNOW THE, THE, UM, THAT THE, I'M SURE YOU GUYS HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME, HOW IT'S DONE. 
          UM, MY FIRST REACTION WAS, HELL NO. 
          UH, I TALKED TO SOME NEIGHBORS AND THEY WERE KINDA GOING, WELL, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME BENEFITS. 
          THERE COULD BE SOME, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO MY, IF MY PARENTS ARE MOVING OUTTA THEIR APARTMENT OR THEY'RE TRANSITIONING, OR IF HONDA WANTS TO PUT PEOPLE THERE SHORT TERM, IF THEY GET THEIR KIDS IN OUR SCHOOLS, THEY, THEY ARE NEXT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO BUY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I THINK YOU, I COULD ARGUE EITHER, EITHER SIDE, BUT HOW IT'S DONE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, AGAIN, I AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THAT MODERN BUILDING, EH, BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE FIRST CUT. 
          IF IT REALLY LOOKED LIKE AN IRISH VILLAGE, IF IT MAINTAINED SORT OF WHERE IT WASN'T AS JARRING, UM, VARIANT TO WHAT WE HAVE. 
          THE, UM, THE OTHER PIECE, THIS IS OUR FRONT DOOR AND, AND IT'S A BATTLEAX FOR US, RIGHT? IF THAT GETS DEVELOPED WRONG, THEN BALANCE RAY AND ALL OF ALL THE MONEY THE CITY PUT INTO BUILDING THE CIRCLE AT WARNER TEMPLE, THE, THE DRIVE UP TO THE GOLF COURSE, I MEAN THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE REALLY, COULD BE REALLY PROBLEMATIC. 
          THE OTHER PIECE TO IT IS THAT THE, THE GOLF COURSE OF DUBLIN HAS STRUGGLED, UH, CERTAINLY FOR THE 14 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED HERE ON BEING ABLE TO DO FOOD SERVICE FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN GOLFERS. 
          UH, AND EVEN THEN SERVICE POOR. 
          IT'S EXCEEDINGLY SLOW. 
          AND SO BEING ABLE TO RELIEVE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF THEM BY PUTTING RESTAURANTS UP FRONT UP HERE WHERE THERE'S SOME GOOD FOOD SERVICE WOULD BE FANTASTIC. 
          SO I GUESS THE KEY TAKEAWAYS OV HAS BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH. 
          WE HOPE THAT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND US ARE REACH OUT AND LISTEN TO OUR NEEDS ALSO. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, PARK LIKE FEEL RETAIL AND THEN WHAT'S IN THE BACK? I THINK, I THINK PEOPLE COULD BE SOLD, BUT REACTION TO, TO MULTIFAMILY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, WE HAVE NOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE'LL CLOSE OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION. 
          UH, THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW. 
          SO MR. CHINNOCK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START US OFF THIS EVENING? SURE. 
          UM, I, I'M, I'M GENERALLY GENEROUS SUPPORT. 
          I APPRECIATE OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          OBVIOUSLY IT IS VERY, VERY WELL, UH, WELL ESTABLISHED THERE AND I THINK THAT WAS GREAT THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO DO THAT. 
          NOT EVERYBODY DOES THAT. 
          UM, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM THE, FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          OF COURSE WE ALWAYS DO. 
          UM, I I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA OF THIS. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY'S SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA. 
          I THINK WE, THERE'S A LOT WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH REGARDING THE HEIGHTS FOR THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          I AGREE. 
          I THINK DOING TWO STORY AND THREE STORY IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OVERBUILT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PARTS OF PROP PROPERTY. 
          UM, SO I THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT YET TODAY, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO, AS, AS WE, AS THIS MOVES FORWARD, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER, CONSIDER THAT. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THE ACTIVATION ALONG WARNER TEMPLE IS GONNA BE KEY TO THIS. 
          WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, AS THE BUILDINGS ARE SHOWN NOW, YOU KNOW, PUTTING PATIO SPACE OUT THERE, PUTTING SEATING OUT THERE, OR DOING SOMETHING TO MAKE THAT FEEL MORE STREET SCAPE WOULD BE IMPORTANT. 
          UH, OR PULLING IT BACK AND LEAVING IT MORE PARK-LIKE. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO, WE, WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH THERE AS, AS THAT SUCH A SIGNIFICANT APPROACH TO THE, UM, TO BALANCE TREE THE COMMUNITY THERE. 
          AND THE, UM, OTHER COMMENT I HAD TOO WAS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IS THE, YOU'VE GOT THESE THREE KIND OF KEY POINTS, YOU KNOW, SOUTH WARNER TEMPLE AND AVERY, AND THEN FROM THE POOL AS KIND OF VISUALS TO THE, TO THIS PROPERTY. 
          SO THINKING ABOUT, WE TALK ABOUT GATEWAYS, WE TALK ABOUT SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, DESIGN OR ARCHITECTURE CONSIDERATIONS THERE. 
          UM, I, I THINK THOSE ARE VERY, VERY KEY VANTAGE POINTS FOR THIS, FOR THE WHOLE ENTIRE PROPERTY THAT, THAT WE WANNA CONSIDER. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, OVERALL VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT. 
          I THINK WE TALK, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT DOUBLE BEING A MORE WALKABLE COMMUNITY THAN IT IS, AND THIS EXEMPLIFIES THAT. 
          I THINK ADDING THAT, THE, THE, THE RESTAURANT OR, UH, RETAIL COMPONENTS TO IT, GETTING PEOPLE TO WALK, GET OUTTA THEIR CARS AND, AND HAVE SPACES THEY CAN, THEY CAN, UM, SUPPORT BY, BY WALKING TO IT, I, I, I THINK IS, UM, IS, IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. 
          SO, AGAIN, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, THINGS WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH IN TERMS OF SPECIFIC SPECIFICS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. 
          MS. HARDER, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND, UH, GLAD TO SEE SO MANY NEIGHBORS OUT HERE AS WELL TOO. 
          UM, AND I ENCOURAGE THAT PROCESS TO KEEP GOING. 
          THERE I AM, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED USE. 
          UH, KEEP IN MIND THE MEDIUM 
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DENSITY, UM, MIXED RESIDENTIAL ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IT LOW, AND I'LL GET TO THAT POINT IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, THIS IS AREA'S VERY SPECIAL. 
          THERE'S BEEN ALREADY A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT'S BEEN PUT IN HERE TO, TO DEVELOP IT THE WAY IT, IT IS. 
          UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD NOT BE OVERSHADOWING, UM, BALANCE TRAY AT ALL. 
          IT SHOULD COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER. 
          UH, THESE ARE YOUR WORDS. 
          UM, WHEN READING THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANTED IT TO BE, YOU WANT THIS TO BE CHARMING, QUALITY, UH, EXTENDING THE IRISH COUNTRYSIDE, UM, AND, UM, INSPIRED BY BALL BALL, ANDRE. 
          SO IF YOU KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND, UM, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HELP MOVE THINGS FORWARD. 
          UM, AND THAT YOU, UM, REALLY SENSE THE IDEA SINCE YOU WERE PART OF THE PROCESS IN THE BEGINNING THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING. 
          I THINK THAT WILL SERVE YOU WELL AS WELL TOO. 
          UM, THE SITE LAYOUT, UM, I, I AM, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, CARS IN THE MIDDLE, UM, MY, MY FEELING ABOUT THAT IS I LIKE THAT IT'S PULLED IN THAT WAY. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO CLUSTER THINGS TOGETHER, THEN MAKE THAT AN EXPERIENCE TOO. 
          UH, THE WALKWAYS AND, AND SIDEWAY SIDEWALKS ARE CONNECTING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE USING THE PLANTER BOXES AND PLANNING. 
          UM, UH, AND THEN, UM, JUST ALMOST LIKE A, A LITTLE GETAWAY THERE TOO. 
          UH, CREATIVE GREEN SPACES, UM, CONNECTING THE PONDS. 
          UM, IN DUBLIN, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE CREATIVE WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT. 
          THEY, THEY'RE ALLOWING LATITUDE TO THAT, MEANING BE CREATIVE, LARGE SIDEWALKS. 
          THINK ABOUT THE LARGE SIDEWALKS, BIKE, BIKE PASS, CONNECTIVITY, UM, BUFFER, UH, ON THE PRIVATE DRIVE SIDE. 
          UH, IF, IF YOU WANT THOSE HOMES TO BE THERE, THOSE, OR, YOU KNOW, THE LARGE HOME IDEA, UM, MAKE IT, UM, BUFFERED AND SO FORTH, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT HOW CLOSE YOU'LL BE TO AVERY ROAD. 
          THAT FEELING HAS TO, UM, COME ABOUT BECAUSE, UH, IT DOES FEEL THAT WAY. 
          UH, THE MAIN ENTRANCE SHOULD BE SPECIAL. 
          UM, GREAT ON GARAGES. 
          I THINK THAT'S A, A GREAT POSSIBILITY THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN USING DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, UM, MAKING THAT EACH OF THESE HOMES LOOK, LARGE HOMES THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING THAT ARE MULTIFAMILY, THAT THEY ALL LOOK VERY DIFFERENT JUST LIKE IN NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, ALSO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, I, I FEEL LIKE, EXCUSE ME, I FEEL LIKE THE, UM, THE, IT'S HIGH DENSITY, UH, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A MORE, UM, VARIETY OF TYPE OF, OF, OF, UM, LIVING PLACES, THE, UH, AND, UH, KEEPING THAT, UH, ONE TO TWO STORIES. 
          AND THAT WHAT COMES TO MIND IS, IS WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING UP THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE BIG HILL AND THE BUNNIES AND SO FORTH. 
          AND I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT, THAT POSSIBILITY THERE TOO. 
          SO I KIND OF GO BACK, UM, WITH THAT TOO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO THIS, AGAIN, IT'S A SPECIAL AREA. 
          PLEASE REMEMBER THE NEIGHBORS AND ALL THE BIKING AND, AND REF REFLECT REFLECTING THE CHARACTER OF BALL. 
          ANDRE, I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WE THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT AND, AND JOINING IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT MAKES OUR JOB EASIER. 
          UM, THIS IS A REALLY SPECIAL CORNER, AND I REALLY, I LOVE THE IDEA THAT YOU'VE COME AT IT WITH A VISION, THE IRISH VILLAGE. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT SETTING THE TONE FOR THE DISCUSSION, TO ME, THAT SETS AN EXPECTATION OF QUALITY AND SOMETHING UNIQUE AND SOMETHING SPECIAL. 
          SO THAT RIGHT OUTTA THE BOX, I THINK REALLY BODES WELL. 
          UM, I THINK THIS WHOLE NOTION THAT THE WHOLE SITE IS A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, AND THERE'S GONNA BE A MIX OF USES IN IT, THINKING OF IT COHESIVELY LIKE THAT. 
          AND I THINK YOU SAID THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION, SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AND I, AGAIN, I THINK, UM, FROM AN URBAN DESIGN STANDPOINT, ABSOLUTELY, YOU HIT EVERYTHING. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE URBAN EDGES ON THE KEY STREETS, YOU'VE PUT PARKING INTERNAL, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL APPEARS TO HAVE, UH, UNITS THAT FRONT THE STREETS WITH PARKING BEHIND, WHICH AGAIN, IS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE, WE PUSH, UH, WHEREVER WE CAN. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S RETAIL, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ENOUGH PARKING TO SUPPORT IT. 
          I THINK YOU'VE HANDLED THAT APPROPRIATELY. 
          SO I, I THINK I'M, I'M REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE USE, THE, THE GENERALLY THE LAYOUT. 
          I THINK WHAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT ARE SETBACKS AND BUILDING HEIGHTS, AND YOU CAN DO SOME REALLY GREAT THINGS IN ONE, TWO STORY. 
          AND IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THREE STORY MEANS WITHIN THAT, I THINK YOU SAID MAYBE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OR IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUILDING BLOCK, AND IT'S NOT JUST 
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THREE STORIES, BOOM, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S HOW YOU PLAY WITH THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK YOU INTENDED THAT IMAGE OF THAT WHITE BUILDING TO BE WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING. 
          I THINK IT WAS SCALE AND MASSING, RIGHT? UM, I HEARD THE NEIGHBORS SAY, UM, BALANCER'S GOT A LOOK AND FEEL TO IT. 
          AND AN IRISH VILLAGE HAS A LOOK AND FEEL TO IT. 
          THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY IT. 
          AND I THINK YOU, THE OTHER IMAGES THAT YOU CAPTURED WERE MORE OF THE IRISH VILLAGE, AND I THINK AS THE ARCHITECTURE EVOLVES, IT NEEDS TO BE KIND OF MORE LIKE THAT, MORE STONE. 
          AND OF COURSE THAT'S DOUBLING ANYWAY. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, I, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S A GREAT START. 
          REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE DETAIL. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THE SETBACKS NEED TO BE COMMENSURATE WITH THE ACTIVITY THAT YOU WANT TO SEE ALONG WARNER TEMPLE AND AVERY. 
          SO, RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M DOING MY LITTLE MEASURING HERE AND WITH MY OWN SCALES. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE BETWEEN, UH, 40 TO 60 FEET RIGHT NOW, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE CURB LINE OR THE RIGHT OF WAY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ROOM TO PLAY WITH THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, UM, THE BUILDING D THAT'S ALONG AVERY COULD ACTUALLY BE AN A I'M A LITTLE BIT THINKING THAT YOU DON'T, IF YOU, YOU DON'T WANNA PULL RESIDENTIAL UP TO AVERY, THAT THAT SHOULD CONTINUE. 
          THERE SHOULD BE CONSISTENTLY ALONG CONSISTENT USES ALONG AVERY. 
          SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. 
          I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT, IT DEPENDS ON HOW ALL WORKS TOGETHER, BUT I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT KIND OF SHIFTING OF USES. 
          BUT AGAIN, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE WHOLE THING AS ONE THING, RIGHT? IT'S A VILLAGE CENTER AND HOW DOES IT ALL WORK TOGETHER. 
          SO I FULLY SUPPORT WHERE YOU'RE HEADED AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO THE PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WAY. 
          MR. LAC. 
          UM, REAL QUICK, MICHAEL, TRACY, TYLER, MICHAEL, CRAIG, KURT, JACK, BEN, AND CHRISTIAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ALWAYS, ALWAYS DELIGHTFUL TO HEAR, UM, HEAR E EVERYBODY'S, UH, PERSPECTIVE ON ALL THIS. 
          UM, I'M GONNA GENERALLY SAY I TOO AM GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE. 
          UM, MR. WADE JUST, UH, ARTICULATED A A NUMBER OF, NUMBER OF NICE POINTS ABOUT IT, RIGHT? UH, IT IS A WONDERFUL CORNER. 
          IT IS A WONDERFUL GATEWAY. 
          IT'S VERY CONSCIOUS OF, UM, AGAIN, WHERE THE, WHERE THE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL SPACE SHOULD BE AND WHAT IT, WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE DOING RELATIVE TO THE REST OF THIS. 
          SO THOSE THINGS ARE, UM, WE DO OFTEN SEE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE EVERYTHING IS SEPARATED AND IT'S NOT SYNERGISTIC, BUT THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO REALLY SS UM, SERVE THE PEOPLE OF BALANCE TRAY WELL, UM, SERVE THE, THIS COMMUNITY WELL. 
          UM, IT, IT'S DOING A, A NUMBER OF GOOD THINGS AT THE SAME TIME. 
          IT IS IN A SORT OF A WONDERFUL POSITION IN THAT IT'S GOT SOME BUFFERS OR TRANSITIONS ALREADY IN PLACE. 
          IT'S GOT THE, THE POOL, UM, SEPARATING IT. 
          IT'S, IT'S GOT AVERY ROAD, IT'S GOT THE PARKS ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT, RIGHT? UM, SO IT'S, HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE HIGHLY VISIBLE EVEN COMING DOWN AVERY. 
          AND AGAIN, APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE SOME OF THE MOVES THERE. 
          UM, APPLAUD THE CAREFUL INTEGRATION OF BALANCE TRAY AND THE IRISH FEATURES. 
          UH, THE SENSITIVITY TO POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, RUIN ELEMENTS. 
          SO THAT LANGUAGE IS STARTING TO COME OUT HERE. 
          THE FEATURE FEATURES AND AESTHETICS OF THE IRISH VILLAGE IS A, IS A WONDERFUL CONCEPT. 
          YOU'VE HEARD THAT AD NAUSEUM, UM, HERE, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WONDERFUL ON YOUR SITE. 
          IT'S WONDERFUL, I THINK FOR THE CITY TO HAVE. 
          WE CAN'T DO THAT AESTHETIC EVERYWHERE, BUT IT'S WONDERFUL TO HAVE COMPELLING POCKETS OF THAT AESTHETIC IN CHOICE LOCATIONS. 
          THIS AMONG THEM, THE BIG HOUSE CONCEPT IS COMPELLING, UM, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. 
          IF DONE WELL, MR. WAY TOUCHED ON IT. 
          I I, WE PICKED UP ON IT, UM, UH, ROBUSTLY. 
          THE, THE WHITE HOUSE IS, WAS THERE FOR SCALE AND MASSING. 
          THE MATERIAL, THE PALETTE IS GOING TO COME MORE FROM THE IRISH VILLAGE ASPECT. 
          AND WHEN THAT, WHEN THOSE TWO THINGS START TO MARRY THAT, THAT BIG HOUSE CONCEPT WITH THAT MATERIAL PALETTE, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF, OF HOW IT ALL EXECUTES. 
          UM, AGAIN, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE. 
          THAT SAID, EXECUTION MATTERS, RIGHT? NUANCE MATTERS. 
          DETAILS MATTER. 
          UM, I, I AM IN LOCKSTEP WITH A NUMBER OF MY PEERS UP HERE IN LOCKSTEP WITH, UH, MUCH OF THE PUBLIC. 
          THREE STORIES IS WORRISOME. 
          THREE STORIES IS WORRISOME IN WHEN IT'S THOUGHT THROUGH ABOUT IN, IN THE WAY MR. WAY ARTICULATED IT, WHEN IT, AND WHEN IT ALL GOES UP TO THREE STORIES, SUDDENLY EVERYTHING WE JUST ARTICULATED ABOUT THAT BIG HOUSE CONCEPT AND WHAT'S APPEALING ABOUT IT GOES AWAY. 
          SUDDENLY IT'S OVERSCALED, SUDDENLY IT'S OVERBUILT. 
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SUDDENLY WE NEED A LOT MORE UNITS. 
          SUDDENLY WE NEED A LOT MORE PARKING SPACES. 
          SUDDENLY, UM, EVERYTHING STARTS TO UNRAVEL IN THAT REGARD. 
          YOU DO HAVE SOME BUILDINGS IN THIS, THIS SIX PAGER, THE SIX IMAGE THAT DOES HAVE THREE STORIES. 
          I RECOGNIZE IT AS WELL. 
          I THINK MR. WAY WAS TOUCHING ON IT, RIGHT BOTTOM, THE BOTTOM LEFT WITH THE, THE MAROON BUILDING. 
          IT DOES HAVE A THIRD STORY IN THERE, RIGHT? BUT THAT IS THAT THIRD STORY. 
          AND ANYWHERE YOU FIND IT IN HERE AT, UH, ABOVE JENNY'S ON THE CORNER, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR DUBLIN CORNER, THAT THIRD STORY POTENTIALLY, IF, IF THAT IS A THIRD STORY, THEY REPEATEDLY ARE DONE IN A VERY SIMILAR WAY. 
          THEY ARE, THEY ARE BASED ESSENTIALLY ATTIC SPACE OR DORMER SPACE. 
          IT IS, AND OR IT IS EVEN THAT JENNY'S ELEMENT. 
          IT IS THE ONLY TIME IT IS ONE, UM, ONE PIECE AND DOESN'T REPEAT ITSELF IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, RIGHT? SO THE MIX OF, THERE COULD BE, UM, SPOTS WHERE IT GOES TO THIRD STORY, AND IT COULD WORK REALLY WELL RELATIVE TO THE ARCHITECTURE, BUT I THINK THE BALANCE HAS TO BE LARGELY TWO STORIES, OCCASIONALLY THAT THIRD STORY MIGHT MANIFEST. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ME SAYING THE THIRD STORY IS WORRISOME. 
          UH, I WOULD, I WOULD MUCH RATHER, AND MUCH, UH, MUCH RATHER SAY IT'S ALL TWO STORIES, MAKE A CASE FOR THE, THE SPOTS WHERE IT'S A THIRD STORY, THEN, THEN NOT. 
          UM, IT'S WORRISOME IN THE RESIDENTIAL RIGHT. 
          IT WILL UNFURL THAT THE ENTIRETY THAT THE BIG HOUSE CONCEPT, AND IT'S, IT'S WORRISOME ALONG WARNER TEMPLE. 
          UM, THE AESTHETIC STYLE AND ARCHITECTURE, AGAIN, BIG HOUSE CONCEPT IS, IS GREAT, UH, WANTS TO BE IN THAT MATERIAL PALETTE WE TOUCHED ON, RIGHT? THE BALANCE RATE, IRISH VILLAGE MATERIAL PATH THAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON ALL THE OTHER FIVE IMAGES HERE. 
          UM, WE ALL AGREE ON THAT, BUT AGAIN, AND YOU KNOW, THE THIRD STORY UNDERMINES ALL THAT. 
          UM, I WOULD, I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR SENSITIVITY THERE THINGS TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER WARNER TEMPLE FRONTAGE. 
          AND I, I THINK A FEW PEOPLE HAVE ARTICULATED THIS. 
          I I'M NOT NECESSARILY AVERSE TO IT, UM, REDUCING THE GREEN SPACE THERE, BUT I, I DO THINK IT HAS TO BE DONE VERY, VERY CAREFULLY CONSIDERED HOW THAT ACTIVATES IT. 
          STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME, SOME DISTANCE AND NOT BE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT THE ROADWAY. 
          UM, PEDESTRIAN AND WALKABILITY, WE KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT. 
          THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A TWO HALVES ASPECT TO THE SITE, RIGHT? THE, THE SORT OF COMMERCIAL ASPECT AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL ASPECT. 
          AND RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S EARLY. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY DRAWN AS THOUGH IT WOULD, THERE'D BE A LOT OF EASE AND ACCESS. 
          UM, OR ASSUMING THAT'LL SORT OF W WORK ITSELF OUT ON THE WASH. 
          OF COURSE, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WE, WE HAMMER AND STAFF HAMMERS, UH, AD NAUSEUM. 
          AND THEN MR. WE TOUCHED ON IT. 
          I ASKED ABOUT IT, THE FRONT DOORS. 
          UM, IT, THE SITE IS SETTING UP REALLY NICELY RIGHT NOW RELATIVE TO THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO SPECIFICALLY HAVE THAT FRONT DOOR ACCESS AND THEN REAR LOADED ALMOST ALLEY ACCESS AS IT'S OFTEN OFTEN REFERRED. 
          UM, THAT REQUIRES A LOT ON THOSE ROADWAYS ACROSS THE FRONT DOOR. 
          IT REQUIRES, OF COURSE, UM, SOME ON STREET PARKING, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T WORK. 
          THOSE DOORS DON'T GET USED. 
          THEY JUST BECOME THE BACK DOOR IF, IF THAT ON-STREET PARKING ISN'T THERE. 
          SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BE, UM, SENSITIVE TO AS IT CONTINUES TO DEVELOP. 
          IT'S, IT'S POTENTIALLY VERY LOVELY IN THAT REGARD. 
          IT'S, IT'S ALL LAID OUT AND ALMOST THERE FOR YOU TO, TO, TO GRAB HOLD OF. 
          UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU. 
          SUPPORTIVE. 
          GENERALLY, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, IT'S CERTAINLY THERE'S NUANCE TO SORT OF, UH, BE SENSITIVE TO. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY FOR SPEAKING TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. LAC. 
          MR. FISHMAN. 
          YES, I, I HAVE TO SAY I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID. 
          UH, I ALSO AM IN FAVOR THIS PARTICULAR PLAN. 
          I, I WOULD, UH, I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY THAT IT SHOULD BE TWO STORY RATHER THAN THREE STORY. 
          'CAUSE I THINK IT'D BE OUT OF SCALE TO THE AREA IF IT WAS THREE STORY. 
          UM, I, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE SECOND, THE BOTTOM ROW BUILDINGS, THAT ONE IN, IN, THAT'S A D BUILDING, THE FIRST ONE, TOP ONE. 
          IF THAT WAS ELIMINATED, THAT WOULD REALLY OPEN UP SOME GREEN SPACE. 
          WE SHOULD GET ALL PARKING LOT ACROSS FROM IT. 
          IT WOULD MAKE THE WHOLE FIELD DIFFERENT, UM, UH, IN THE INTERNAL PART OF THE, OF THE, UH, COMPLEX. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK IT'S GREAT. 
          I ASSUME THEY'RE GONNA BE IRISH BUILDINGS, BRICK AND STONE AND, AND, AND, UH, UH, I THINK THAT'LL BE GREAT. 
          SO I HAVE NOT MUCH TO ADD TO MY COLLEAGUES. 
          I THINK THAT, UH, UH, YOU'RE REALLY ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND, AND, UH, I WISH YOU LUCK. 
          THANK YOU, MR. FISHMAN. 
          UM, MY COMMENTS, I WON'T BELABOR. 
          UM, 
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MANY THINGS I DO WANT TO STRESS, UH, THAT I, I DO LIKE THE MIXED USE, ESPECIALLY WHERE IT'S INTEGRATED WITHIN THE BUILDING. 
          NOT ONE BUILDING THAT IS RETAIL WITH A BUILDING THAT IS RESIDENTIAL NEXT DOOR. 
          I LIKE THE INTEGRATION. 
          I THINK YOU DID THAT WELL. 
          UM, I ALSO LOVE THE LARGE HOME CONCEPT. 
          UH, I WAS RECENTLY IN NASHVILLE AND THEY HAVE A, A COMPLEX THAT I STOPPED AND TOOK PICTURES OF BECAUSE IT WAS SO WELL DONE. 
          I, IN READING THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE VISION OF THIS IS TO MAINTAIN THAT VIEW CORRIDOR. 
          AND I DO THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL IS OVER PROGRAMMED. 
          UH, WE, WE ESSENTIALLY FLIP A SWITCH AND GO FROM PARK TO FULLY BUILT, BUT THE IDEA WAS TO INTEGRATE. 
          AND SO PART OF THAT INTEGRATION WAS WITH THOSE SETBACKS WITH A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK ALONG AVERY. 
          AND, AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT KIND OF LEFT OPEN FOR THE VIEW CORRIDOR UP WARNER TEMPLE. 
          WHAT THAT DOES IS IT OFFERS AN OPEN VIEW CORRIDOR INTO THE BALLANT TREE COMMUNITY, INTO THE PARK SPACE AND STILL ALLOWS FOR THAT SETBACK AREA TO BE UTILIZED FOR PATIO SPACE FOR THOSE ACTIVATION AREAS. 
          PARKING BEHIND IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT IF WE CAN USE SOME OF THAT A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK AND INTEGRATE THOSE PATIO SPACES, THEN WHAT IT DOES IS IT MAINTAINS THE VIEW CORRIDOR. 
          BUT YOU GET TO EXPERIENCE IT NOT JUST FROM AN AUTOMOBILE PERSPECTIVE, NOT JUST FROM A WALKER PERSPECTIVE, BUT FROM A PARTICIPANT PERSPECTIVE. 
          IF WE SHRINK THAT SETBACK, THEN THE PATIO EXPERIENCE BECOMES LESS. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROADWAY. 
          YOU'RE 20 FEET OFF. 
          IT'S JUST A TOTALLY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THOSE TO, TO CONTEMPLATE THAT WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THOSE, THE PRIVATE DRIVES. 
          I WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU, PRIVATE DRIVES HAVE NOT BEEN WONDERFUL IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          OCCASIONALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS PRIVATE DRIVES AREN'T MAINTAINED. 
          THEY'RE TURNED OVER TO THE CITY. 
          CITY WON'T TAKE THEM UNLESS THEY'RE UP TO PUBLIC STANDARD. 
          I'M NOT OPPOSED TO PRIVATE DRIVES, BUT IF THEY'RE PRIVATE DRIVES, THEY MUST BE BUILT TO CITY STANDARD. 
          UH, AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I WANNA TOUCH ON IS THE, THE OVERALL PROGRAMMING. 
          UM, I ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS PURPOSEFUL ONE TO TWO STORY, ONE TO TWO STORY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT'S REPEATED OVER AND OVER. 
          SO IF WE COME BACK AND WE HAVE A TWO STORY ACROSS THE BOARD, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME CHALLENGES. 
          IF WE HAVE A ONE TO TWO STORY WITH AN OCCASIONAL THREE STORY, THAT'S WHAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS FOR. 
          SHIFTING OF THAT, MAKING IT LOOK LIKE A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT, WE DO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY. 
          IT'S NOT LOCKED IN STONE. 
          EVERYTHING MUST BE EXACT. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAVE WAIVERS. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT TAX PROCESSES BECAUSE THERE IS, UM, NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL. 
          IF SO, WE, OUR BODY WOULDN'T EXIST. 
          THERE WOULDN'T HAVE A NEED FOR A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IF IT WERE JUST CHECK THE BOXES AND YOU'RE DONE. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT TALKING TO EVERY COMMUNITY MEMBER MULTIPLE TIMES IS WELL NOT FEASIBLE. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          WE GIVE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE RESIDENTS, WHETHER THEY LIVE IN BALLANT TRADE, WHETHER THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET OR WHETHER THEY'RE ACROSS THE CITY, THEY'RE AFFECTED BY COMMUNITIES. 
          I LIVE, YOU KNOW, NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM HERE, BUT I TURN THAT CORNER EVERY DAY WHEN I DRIVE TO WORK. 
          AND SO IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO STOP WITH MY HUSBAND ON THE WAY HOME AT ANOTHER RESTAURANT. 
          WE HAVE A, A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT VERY CLOSE TO AT LEAST THREE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT WE, WE UTILIZE QUITE FREQUENTLY. 
          SO IF YOU DRIVE UP NEAR FIELD, YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY AREA THAT HAS A DRY CLEANER. 
          IT HAS, UH, SOME PRIVATE SERVICES, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR NAIL SALON, YOUR HAIR SALON, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          BUT THERE ARE WHAT, FOUR, FIVE PLACES TO EAT IN THAT LITTLE AREA. 
          AND IT'S ALWAYS BUSY. 
          THERE'S AN IDF THAT DOESN'T HAVE GAS PUMPS, BUT THE KIDS RIDE THEIR BIKES TO GO GET ICE CREAM DURING THE SUMMERTIME AND DURING THE WINTERTIME. 
          UH, BUT IT, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL INTEGRATED, CONTEMPLATED PLAN. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT IT DIDN'T DO AS WELL AS THIS PLAN DOES IS THE PARKING IS VISIBLE. 
          SO THERE'S LANDSCAPE BUFFERING, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT THE PARKING IS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS RATHER THAN THE PARKING BEING BEHIND THE BUILDING. 
          AND YOU HEARD MR. WAY HIT ON THAT AS FAR AS URBAN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE GROWN AS, AS A COMMUNITY OVERALL. 
          I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. 
          THE USE, I THINK THE USE IS PERFECT. 
          THE MIXED USE CONTEMPLATION IS ESPECIALLY INTEGRATED. 
          I LOVE THE LARGE HOUSE PROGRAM. 
          THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'RE MISSING IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UH, I DO THINK THAT WE ARE EARLY AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO GET A PLAN IN FRONT OF US IN ORDER TO START TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          AND SO I THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I ALSO LOVE THAT YOU'VE INCORPORATED AN IRISH VILLAGE AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE DIFFERENT AREAS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS 
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AND I THINK YOU'VE FOUND A NICHE HERE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, WITH THAT, UH, THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW, SO THERE'S NO ACTION FROM THE BODY, UM, THIS EVENING. 
          HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH STAFF. 
          THEY COMMUNICATE WITH US REGULARLY AND FREQUENTLY. 
          AND SO WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING AND CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK AS THE PROCESS EVOLVES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU . 
          ALRIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THAT IS OUR LAST OF OUR AGENDA ITEMS THIS EVENING. 
          UH, STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANY 
          [COMMUNICATIONS]
COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE? SO I APPRECIATE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAVING A PRESENTATION AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, SPECIFICALLY ORIENTED TO ENVISION DUBLIN. 
          AND AS SUCH, WE HAVE A FOLLOW-UP MEETING THAT'S ACTUALLY A JOINT WORK SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL. 
          THE DATE FOR THAT MEETING IS APRIL 29TH. 
          THE TIME IS SIX TO EIGHT AND THE LOCATION IS HERE. 
          SO IF YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO JOIN US, WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT OUR DIRECTOR, JENNIFER RAUSCH, HAS ALSO OFFERED INDIVIDUAL SESSIONS WITH ALL THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS TO TALK ABOUT ENVISION DUBLIN. 
          I THINK THAT I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF YESES, UM, BUT IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED, PLEASE CONTACT US AND WE'LL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR ONE OR ALL OF US TO MEET WITH YOU. 
          SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS FOR THIS EVENING? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PREPAREDNESS AND MEETING AD TURN.
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