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          GOOD EVENING AND 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          YOU CAN JOIN THE, THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55, EXCUSE ME, 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES AT THIS TIME. 
          IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY. 
          AND JUSTICE. 
          AND JUSTICE. 
          THANK YOU, MS. BEAL. 
          WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL? YES. 
          MR. SNARE? HERE. 
          MS. CALL HERE. 
          MR. LAC? HERE. 
          HERE. 
          MR. FISHMAN? HERE. 
          MR. OCK. 
          HERE. 
          MS. HARDER? HERE. 
          THANK YOU, MS. BEAL. 
          UH, AT THIS TIME 
          [ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS AND INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR FEBRUARY 15TH, 2024 MEETING. 
          SO MOVED. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SUPAK. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. WE, MS. BEAL. 
          MS. HARDER? YES. 
          MR. OCK? YES. 
          MR. FISHMAN? YES. 
          MR. WE? YES. 
          MR. AK? YES. 
          MS. CALL? YES. 
          MR. SNE? YES. 
          THANK YOU, MS. BEAL. 
          THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD WHEN PLANNING A PROPERTY AND REZONING ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION. 
          IN SUCH CASES, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PROVIDES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED. 
          AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER OF EVENTS THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF ANALYSIS AND A RECOMMENDATION. 
          THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND OF STAFF. 
          WHEN YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE HERE, PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON IN ORDER FOR US TO HEAR AND RECORD, UH, YOUR TESTIMONY, AND, UH, ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, WE DO REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. 
          THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION. 
          UH, IF YOU PLAN ON ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING, WE DO NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN. 
          SO ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES, WILL YOU PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE, THE AFFIRMATIVE. 
          DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE'LL CONT WE'LL CONTINUE 
          [Case #23-115MSP]
WITH OUR FIRST CASE THIS EVENING. 
          THAT'S 23 DASH 15 MS. P. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR A NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CONSISTING OF THREE WALL SIGNS AND A SINGLE GROUND SIGN. 
          THE 1.77 ACRE SITE IS ZONED BRIDGE STREET, DIS BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SCIOTO RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF DALE DRIVE AND BANKER DRIVE. 
          SO THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THEIR PRESENTATION, WE'D INVITE YOU TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE MICROPHONE LIGHT IS GREEN. 
          AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          ADAM KESSLER WITH KESSLER SIGN COMPANY 2 6 6 9 NATIONAL ROAD, ZANESVILLE, OHIO. 
          SO, YES, WE WERE HERE, UM, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO DISCUSSING THE BUILDING PACKAGE FOR THE BAILEY FOR CRAWFORD HOEING AT, UH, MOONEY AND DALE DRIVE. 
          SO WE HAVE FOUR SIGNS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL FOR TODAY, AND WE CAN START TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS THE SOUTH. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          DO YOU HAVE THE, THE SHORTER VERSION? YES. 
          THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WE HAVE A INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN AT 72.25 SQUARE FEET FACING WEST DUBLIN GRANDVILLE ROAD, UH, AND NEXT ONE ON THE NORTH CANOPY, WE HAVE AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL, CHANNEL LETTER SIGN ON TOP OF THE CANOPY AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE THAT'S 67 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND, UH, THAT FACES WINDER DRIVE. 
          AND THEN ALSO IN THIS PHOTO, YOU CAN SEE THE MONUMENT SIGN, GROUND SIGN AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING, 26 SQUARE FEET. 
          ALSO INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, 
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UM, CABINET SIGN, UH, POSITIONED DIAGONALLY TO TARGET THE TRAFFIC, UH, ON DALE AND WINDER. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE FACING THE WEST, A 41 SQUARE FOOT SIGN. 
          THAT'S, UH, OUR, UM, PLACEMENT ART SIGN, WHICH IS THE BLADE SIGN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED AS WELL. 
          AND THAT TARGETS THE TRAFFIC HEADING NORTH AND SOUTH ON MOONEY. 
          AND HERE, YEAH, HERE'S A, A CLOSEUP, UH, OF THE, A CLOSER VERSION OF THE PHOTOS THAT SHOWS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, TWO MONTHS AGO, NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGED WITH THESE. 
          IT'S JUST WE WHITTLED IT DOWN TO FOUR SIGNS. 
          SO MAKE IT EASY. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO STAFF. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO I SAY THIS IS A MASTER SIGN PLAN. 
          UM, MASTER SIGN PLAN IS INTENDED FOR UNIQUE AND CREATIVE SCIENCE FOR EITHER SINGLE-TENANT BUILDINGS OR MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS. 
          UM, IN WAYS THAT ALLOW FOR AN APPLICANT TO DEVIATE FROM TYPICAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          BUT AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO BE WHIS COLD. 
          THEY HAVE TO MEET THOSE GENERAL STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE SET FOR MASTER SIGN PLANS. 
          SO A DETERMINATION IS REQUIRED OR REQUESTED TONIGHT FROM THE PLAN ZONING COMMISSION. 
          UH, THE SITE IS 1.77 ACRES IN SIZE AND ZONED IN THE CIO RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THIS WAS TABLED BACK IN JANUARY. 
          UH, THE COMMISSION RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE NORTHWEST WALL SIGN, UH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY NOT IN THIS PROPOSAL. 
          UM, THERE WERE ALSO SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON EXPLORING A MORE CREATIVE SOUTH FACING WALL SIGN, UH, WHICH IS THAT PRIMARY IDENTIFICATION SIGN LABEL NUMBER ONE ON THE SITE PLAN. 
          UH, SO AS THE APPLICANT STATED, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS REMOVED, UH, THREE OF THE SIGNS FOR THE FRIENDSHIP AT HOME. 
          THESE WILL COME FORWARD AT A FUTURE DATE WITH AN AMENDED MASTER SIGN PLAN. 
          UH, SO THAT WILL BE REVIEWED SEPARATELY FROM THIS. 
          SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE THREE WALL SIGNS AND THEN THE ONE, UH, MONUMENT SIGN. 
          UH, THESE SIGNS ARE THE SAME DESIGN AS SHOWN BEFORE. 
          UM, YOU HAVE DID NOT MAKE UPDATES TO THE SOUTH FACING SIGN, JUST HAVE, BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF. 
          UM, WE FELT THAT THE ST THE PROPOSED SIGN WAS APPROPRIATE GIVEN ITS INTENDED USE AS A VEHICULAR ORIENTATION SIGN, AND NOT AS MUCH OF A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTATION SIGN, WHERE A LOT OF THOSE SIGN REQUIREMENTS, UM, OR SIGN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BRIDGE STREET ARE PUSHED MORE TOWARDS THAT PEDESTRIAN SCALE SIGN. 
          UH, SO THAT'S WHY STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WAS SHOWN. 
          SO WITH THAT, UH, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS MASTER SIGN PLAN AND ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE ONE CONDITION. 
          AND THIS IS A CARRYOVER CONDITION, WHICH IS ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING. 
          AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A LOWER MONUMENT SIGN AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ACCOMMODATING THAT ACCORDINGLY AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN THE FUTURE. 
          WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HEEL. 
          WE'LL HANDLE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TOGETHER. 
          SO, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, MR. CHINNOCK, LET'S START WITH YOU. 
          SO JUST TO, JUST TO CONFIRM, THE, THE SIGNS PROPOSED HERE ARE THE ONLY SIGNS FOR THE BAILEY. 
          IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT MORE SIGNS WE'RE THIS, IS IT, RIGHT? JUST THESE LIKE STAFF HASN'T APPROVED OTHER SIGNS? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD TOO, AND I WENT BACK AND, UH, LOOKED, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM OF THESE FOUR SIGNS PROPOSED, THE SIZES, DIMENSIONS, ALL OF THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS PROPOSED LAST TIME. 
          THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY CHANGES TO THE SIGNS, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          NOTHING HAS CHANGED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHINOOK. 
          OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION QUESTIONS? MR. WE, JUST GOING BACK TO THE ISSUE OF THE LANDSCAPE ON THE GROUND SIGN. 
          I I, COULD YOU EXPRESS WHAT YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THAT IS? TYPICALLY, WE REQUIRE SOME SORT OF THREE FOOT BUFFER AROUND THOSE MONUMENT SIGNS, AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT LANDSCAPING DOES START TO GROW UP, WHERE TYPICALLY THAT WOULD BE COVERING THE, THE, THE BASE OF THE CABINET. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE BASE IS THE SIGN, WE WANT TO BE CONSIDERATE OF THAT AND JUST WORK ON MAYBE SOME DECORATIVE GRASSES OR, OR OTHER LOW LYING PLANTS THAT WOULD WORK. 
          SO JUST CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT. 
          'CAUSE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN STILL NEEDS SOME WORK ON, ON PROVIDING THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT SPEC RIGHT NOW GROWS TO ABOUT 12 INCHES. 
          THE SIGN IS 14 INCHES. 
          SO PRETTY IT PRETTY MUCH IT WOULD COVER MM-HMM. 
           THE SIGN. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA PICK WORK WITH THEM TO PICK SOMETHING THAT IS EVEN LOWER THAN THAT AS A GROUND COVER? OR IS IT JUST, MAYBE IT'S NOT GROUND COVER ANYMORE, IT'S JUST GRASS. 
          RIGHT? IT WOULD BE, WE WOULD RELY ON OUR ZONING INSPECTOR, UH, WHO HAS A GREAT KNOWLEDGE IN A LOT OF THIS, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE SCALE OF THIS 
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TIME. 
          SO DEFINITELY WANT TO CONSIDER THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PICK, THERE ARE SOME GROUND COVERS THAT ARE REALLY LOW VERSUS GRASS THAT SOMEBODY WOULD COME ALONG WITH A WEED WHACKER AND, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY DAMAGE THE SIGN. 
          SO, UM, I SUPPORT WORKING WITH THEM AND, AND, AND COMING UP WITH A GROUND COVER THAT PROVIDES A SEPARATION FROM THE LAWN AND AREA IN A APPROPRIATE SETTING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE COMMISSION? SEEING NONE, UH, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AT THIS TIME, UH, WE WILL GO INTO, UH, COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          SO, MR. SCHNEE, YOU WANNA START US OFF THIS EVENING? UM, I, I, I APPRECIATE THE CHANGES MADE. 
          WE HAD SOME ANGST ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, ADDITIONAL TENANT SIGNS. 
          AND SINCE THEY'VE BEEN REMOVED, UM, I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THE APPLICATION. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SNEER. 
          MR. FISHMAN? YEAH. 
          DITTO. 
          I THINK ALL THE CHANGES WERE MADE THAT WE SUGGESTED, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM. 
          THANK YOU, MR. FISHMAN. 
          MR. LAC? I'M SUPPORTIVE. 
          MR. WE, I SUPPORT ALSO WITH THE ONE CONDITION THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, MS. HARDER. 
          I'M SUPPORTIVE. 
          UH, JUST SO WE HAVE, UM, WE ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING AND, AND I LOVE THE IDEA WITH THE WEE WHACKING AND SO FORTH. 
          THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          MR. CHINOOK? UH, I HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS TO MAKE OTHER THAN I, I GUESS I FOUND A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING THAT SOME OF THE CO SOME OF THE CHANGES TO THESE SIGNS WEREN'T, UM, IMPLEMENTED. 
          I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, SOUTH FACADE SIGN OR SOUTH ELEVATION SIGNS SPECIFICALLY DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE IMPACTFUL THERE. 
          UM, AND I, I STILL, I, I DON'T THINK A MONUMENT SIGN'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          I SAID THAT LAST TIME. 
          UM, AND I'M STILL, I GUESS I'M, I'M STILL AGAINST THE, UH, THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. 
          UM, I WILL ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WITH ONE ADDITION. 
          UH, THIS IS THE, THE SIGN PLAN, MASTER SIGN PLAN. 
          WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THE AMENDED SIGN PLAN COME BACK WHEN WE CONSIDER THOSE MAS, EXCUSE ME, THOSE FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE SIGNS AS WELL. 
          WE WILL CONSIDER THAT IN TOTALITY, NOT ISOLATED FROM THESE SIGNS. 
          SO JUST WORK WITH STAFF BEFOREHAND. 
          SIGNAGE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SENSITIVE TO. 
          WE THINK THAT CREATIVE SIGNAGE MAKES BRIDGE STREET A BETTER PRODUCT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT WE ARE SENSITIVE TO THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE AND THE CONTENT, NOT THE CONTENT OF THE SIGNAGE, BUT THE CREATIVITY RIGHT. 
          OF THE SIGNAGE IN THAT AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE? NO, WE, WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE, UH, IDENTIFICATION ON THE BUILDING. 
          YES. 
          AS IT CONTINUES TO PROGRESS. 
          ARE WE VOTING? SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN, CAN YOU TELL IT'S A LITTLE ? YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S, UH, YOU WERE CLOSING AS THOUGH IT WAS YES. 
          INFORMAL. 
          I WAS. 
          YES, I WAS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WITH THAT CONSIDERATION, HEARING ALL OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE ONE CONDITION AS LAID OUT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. AK. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. SNEER. 
          MS. BEAL. 
          MR. WE? YES. 
          MR. OCK? NO. 
          MS. HARDER? YES. 
          MR. FISHMAN? YES. 
          MR. SNARE? YES. 
          MS. CALL? YES. 
          MR. AK? YES. 
          THANK YOU MS. BEE AND THANK YOU. 
          AND NOW WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE BUILDING AND, AND WELCOME YOU EVEN MORE TO THE CITY OF DUB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT CASE 
          [Case #24-035INF]
THIS EVENING, UH, IS CASE 24 DASH THREE FIVE INF. 
          THIS IS WHERE MY INFORMAL COMES IN, UH, INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK OF A DAYCARE AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THE APPROXIMATELY 1.7 ACRE SITE IS ZONE PUD, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THE CORNERS, AND IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 270 FEET WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF FRANCE ROAD AND BLAZER PARKWAY. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE'D INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP FOR A CASE PRESENT PRESENTATION. 
          WELCOME GENTLEMEN. 
          GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRPERSON, MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UH, MY NAME IS PAUL GADI. 
          UH, I'M WITH THE DAIMLER GROUP. 
          I ADDRESS IS 1 8 5 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET IN DUBLIN. 
          UM, THANKS FOR GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME INFORMAL FEEDBACK FROM THIS COMMISSION THIS EVENING. 
          OUR GOAL IS REALLY TWOFOLD. 
          UM, I KNOW ZACH HAS SET OUT MORE THINGS, BUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO LEAVE WITH, AND I THINK IT'S ALL CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HE'S LAID OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT, IS ONE, CLARIFY THE LAND USE. 
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AND THERE'S SOME DECENT HISTORY TO THAT THAT HOPEFULLY, UH, HELPS US ALL GET COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN TWO, TALK ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL, THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL CONCEPT PLANS, THE SITE PLAN. 
          AND I HAVE CARTER BEAN, UH, WITH CARTER BEAN ARCHITECTS, WHO'S REALLY BEEN THE, HOPEFULLY YOU LIKE THE WAY THE CORNERS IS TURNING OUT. 
          HE'S BEEN THE BRAIN BEHIND THE ARCHITECTURAL THEME THAT WE'VE TRIED TO CREATE THERE. 
          SO, UH, AND CARTER IS THE ARCHITECT CERTAINLY, UH, ON THIS LATEST PROJECT AS WELL. 
          SO WHAT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS INITIALLY, 'CAUSE I WAS, UM, FAIRLY ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN IT WITH, UH, THE STAFF AND ACTUALLY, UM, DURING THE FOUR YEAR PERIOD THAT WE WERE WORKING ON THE CORONER'S PROJECT, UH, IT'S NOT A HUGE PROJECT, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST IN IT. 
          DURING THAT FOUR YEAR PERIOD, I THINK WE COUNTED THAT WE WENT THROUGH 12 DIFFERENT DUBLIN STAFF MEMBERS THAT WERE IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE APPLICATION. 
          MOST OF THEM WERE PART OF THE PLANNING EFFORT, AND UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF THEM ARE GONE. 
          UH, BUT I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF THEM TODAY AND I, AND I SHARED SOME EMAILS WITH ZACH, BUT WHEN WE WERE CREATING THE TEXT, I MADE A MISTAKE. 
          AND THE MISTAKE I MADE WAS, WHEN WE SAID PERMISSIBLE USES ARE SUBURBAN OFFICE, I ASSUMED THAT INCORPORATED ALL OF THE PERMISSIBLE USES UNDER SUBURBAN OFFICE, NOT JUST SUBURBAN OFFICE. 
          AND, AND WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE SITE THAT'S IMMEDIATELY WEST OF THE STARBUCKS AND UNDER SUBURBAN OFFICE. 
          YOUR CODE, I BELIEVE IT INCORPORATES DAYCARE AS A PERMISSIBLE USE, BUT WE DID NOT INCLUDE IN THE TEXT DAYCARE AS A PERMISSIBLE USE. 
          MY MISTAKE. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT. 
          UM, WHAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS READ, AND IT WILL BE QUICK, AND AGAIN, YOUR STAFF HAS THESE, UM, TWO FOLKS THAT WERE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT. 
          I'D LIKE TO READ VERY QUICKLY TWO EMAILS FROM THEM, UH, FROM TODAY. 
          THE FIRST IS FROM CLAUDIA SEK, WHO WAS FORMERLY THE, UH, SENIOR CITY PLANNER, UH, AND PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          SHE SAID THE OMISSION OF DAYCARE AS A USE IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT FOR THE CORONER'S DEVELOPMENT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL, BUT RATHER AN OVERSIGHT. 
          THE USE IS CERTAINLY NEEDED IN THE AREA AND WOULD SERVE AS AN AMENITY FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES IN THIS IMPORTANT CORRIDOR IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 
          SIMILARLY, COLLEEN GILBERT SAID, UH, AGAIN TODAY DURING OUR YEARS OF DISCUSSIONS, NEGOTIATIONS AND PLANNING EFFORTS AROUND THE CORONER'S DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, AS WELL AS DURING THE RESEARCH CONDUCTED THAT LED TO THE CREATION OF THE DRAFTING OF THE DCAP REPORT, IT WAS ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED BY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE THAT A DAYCARE FACILITY WOULD BE A PERMISSIBLE USE IN THE DCAP AREA. 
          AND IN THE FINAL TEXT OF THE CORNERS DAYCARE IS DEEMED ONE OF THE NECESSARY AMENITIES FOR THE SURROUNDING OFFICE PARK TENANTS AND THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND RESIDENTS TRAVELING TO AND FROM THE FRANCE ROAD CORRIDOR. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU A FLAVOR. 
          WE, WE ALL, WE ALL JUST MADE A MISTAKE. 
          UM, WHAT JENNY SUGGESTED WE DO IS RATHER THAN START OVER AND GO THROUGH A A, A DRAWN OUT REZONING PROCESS IS PRESENT THAT SITUATION TO YOU. 
          AND HOPEFULLY YOU ARE AT LEAST UNDERSTANDING OF THE MISTAKE THAT WAS MADE, BUT ALSO COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, DAYCARE USE IN THIS LOCATION BECAUSE IT IS CONSISTENT WITH DCAP. 
          AND DCAP WAS THE WHOLE MOTIVATION BEHIND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS 11 ACRE SITE. 
          SO I WANTED TO AT LEAST GET THAT OUT. 
          UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I GUESS TURN THIS OVER TO CARTER AND LET HIM TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE THEME OF ARCHITECTURE. 
          BUT AS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, UH, DURING OUR INFORMAL, WE'LL KIND OF BREAK IT UP THAT WAY BETWEEN THE, THE, THE USE SPECIFIC AND THEN ARCHITECTURE AND SITE PLAN. 
          HI THERE. 
          CARTER BEAN, 4,400 NORTH HIGH STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO, 4 3 2 1 4. 
          UM, ZACH, IF WE COULD PROCEED THROUGH THE SLIDES THAT MIGHT LEAD ME THROUGH THE DISCUSSION. 
          UM, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, A VERY EARLY DRAFT OF THE CONCEPT JUST TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND IN TURN WE'LL DEVELOP THIS FURTHER AND BRING IT BACK MORE FORMALLY IF YOU SO DESIRE. 
          UH, THE GENERAL SITE LAYOUT, I, I, I THINK JUST, YOU KNOW, HAPPENED ON ITS OWN. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE WANTED THE BUILDING TO, UH, BE PLACED ALONG BLAZER, HAVE THE PARKING BEHIND. 
          ITS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED WITH THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT YEARS AGO. 
          UM, AND THE DIFFICULT PART OF THIS WAS WORKING WITH THIS PARTICULAR USER'S FOOTPRINT. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S A LARGER FOOTPRINT THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED ON THIS SITE EARLIER ON, NOT KNOWING WHO THE USER MIGHT BE, UM, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY TURNED OUT TO WORK QUITE WELL. 
          UH, REASON BEING THE NARROW END OF THE BUILDING VERY MUCH FILLS UP THE FRONTAGE OF THIS LOT ALONG LASER. 
          UM, GIVEN THE ANGLE OF THE ENTRANCE DRIVE, WE'RE ABLE TO ANGLE THE BUILDING AND THEN CREATE 
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THAT TRIANGULAR PLAYGROUND SPACE, UM, WHICH IS OBSCURED PRIMARILY BY THE BUILDING FROM THE NORTH AND THE EAST, UH, AND WRAPS AROUND TO THE SOUTH. 
          THE RETENTION BASIN, OF COURSE, TO THE EAST, UH, GIVES SOME NICE SEPARATION FROM THE, FROM THE PLAYGROUND TO, UH, THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD NICE LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT WESTERN EDGE. 
          UM, THE PARKING THEN, OF COURSE, FILLS OUT THE BALANCE OF THE SITE AND THE WAY THE NUMBERS TURN OUT. 
          IT WORKS OUT AS AN AS, AS AN EVEN PUSH ON THAT. 
          UH, WE GET EXACTLY THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT WE NEED FOR THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN AND STAFF THAT, THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR THIS FACILITY. 
          UM, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, IF WE MOVE ON, ZACH, REALLY, WE JUST FOCUSED ON THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE, AND OF COURSE WE'LL COME BACK WITH A FULL LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE SITE AT A LATER DATE. 
          BUT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION, UH, WITH STAFF EARLY ON THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE PARKING IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE PARK AREA. 
          UM, THE REASON THE, THE VIEW IS CAPTURED IN THIS WAY IS IT SHOWS WHAT WAS DONE TO THE SOUTH OF THE PARK WHEN THE DENTIST BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED. 
          UH, AND WE VERY MUCH MIRROR MIRRORED THAT, UH, TO THE SOUTH END OF OUR PARKING NORTH END OF THE PARK. 
          UH, THERE'S ALREADY A FAIR AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING THAT WAS INSTALLED, UH, UPON INITIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PARK AREA. 
          UM, AND THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IS OF COURSE, PROPOSING, UH, A ROW OF TEXAS SHRUBS THAT RUN ALONG THE SOUTHERN EDGE. 
          AND OF COURSE, CONTINUE UP THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF, OF THAT PARKING AREA. 
          THE BALANCE, OF COURSE, OF, OF THE LANDSCAPE IN THE, IN THE TREE ISLANDS AND WHATNOT WILL BE DEVELOPED AT A, AT A FURTHER DATE. 
          GO TO THE NEXT ONE, ZACH. 
          THE BUILDING IS A LITTLE UNDER 13,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          I THINK IT'S 12,007 SUB CHANGE, 12,411, EXCUSE ME. 
          UH, AND THE PLAYGROUND IS APPROXIMATELY 7,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UH, IT'S A ONE STORY BUILDING. 
          THE PROTOTYPICAL LAYOUT OF THIS BUILDING IS, IS PRETTY MUCH A RECTANGLE. 
          DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH INS AND OUTS AS WE'VE, UH, CHOSEN TO INCORPORATE HERE. 
          UH, BUT THE USER HAS REALLY GIVEN US CARTE BLANCHE TO, YOU KNOW, MODIFY THE PLAN SLIGHTLY, BUT THE ELEVATIONS ENTIRELY. 
          UH, AND THAT BECAME REALLY THE ARCHITECTURAL CHALLENGE OF THIS, TO INTEGRATE IT INTO, UH, THE VOCABULARY THAT THAT WAS BEGUN WITH THE FIRST FOUR BUILDINGS OUT THERE. 
          UM, WHEN WE FIRST HAD STARBUCKS BUILDING B AND BUILDING C, THE THE THREE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UM, WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THOSE THROUGH, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN OVER THE CONSISTENCY OF THE COLOR PALETTE. 
          AND OUR EXPLANATION AT THAT TIME WAS, YOU KNOW, IT MADE SENSE FOR THAT SECTOR AND THAT WE WOULD BRING IN ADDITIONAL COLORS AND MATERIALS AS WE GO. 
          UM, WHILE WE'VE REMAINED TRUE TO THE STYLE ON THIS BUILDING, WE ARE TAKING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE COLOR. 
          AND IT'S NOT BASED UPON ANY BRAND OR PROTOTYPICAL, UH, INSISTENCE OF THE DAYCARE. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE GIVEN OPPORTUNITY TO DO AS WE PLEASED. 
          UM, SO I HOPE YOU'LL FIND THAT, UH, TO BE ACCEPTABLE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, BUT EVEN MORE SO, THEY ALLOWED US TO MODIFY THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, THEIR PROTOTYPICAL BUILDING IS, IS ONE BIG GABLE AND A LONG RECTANGULAR FOOTPRINT. 
          UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH HERE, ZACH, YOU'LL SEE THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, IS NOT THAT, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE BROKEN THAT LARGE RECTANGULAR FOOTPRINT PRINT DOWN INTO A SMALLER GABLE ELEMENT THAT DOESN'T RUN ENTIRELY THROUGH. 
          IT'S BROKEN UP INTO TWO PIECES, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT SECOND ELEVATION DOWN. 
          AND WE'VE TAKEN THE REST OF IT AND CREATED A SHED ROOF OFF OF THAT. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO INTRODUCED SOME SMALLER SHED ROOFS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, AND, AND LOWERED THE ROOF IN THE MIDDLE, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND LOWERED THE ROOF IN THE MIDDLE, UH, FACING EAST AS WELL. 
          SO WE FEEL THAT THE MOVES WE'VE MADE FROM A, FROM A MASSING STANDPOINT, BREAK THIS LARGER VOLUME DOWN INTO MORE CONSISTENT PIECES THAT, THAT SIMULATE OR ARE IN SCALE WITH THE BALANCE OF WHAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED OUT THERE TO DATE. 
          UM, THE MATERIALITY OF IT, THE STONE IS SIMILAR IN PATTERN AND TEXTURE. 
          IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT COLOR. 
          IT'S 
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LESS GOLD THAN THE STONE THAT'S ON THE STARBUCKS BUILDING. 
          UH, AND INSTEAD OF THE BROWNISH HUES WITH WHITE TRIM THAT WE USED ON, ON THE BUILDING'S FRONTING, UM, GRANTS ROAD, WE'VE CHOSEN A, A GRAY COLOR AND NOT DIFFERENTIATED THE TRIM FROM THE FIELD, BUT WE'VE KEPT IT ALL IN THAT, IN THAT SAME HUE, REALLY MORE SO TO PRONOUNCE THOSE STONE GABLE ELEMENTS THAT FACE NORTH AND SOUTH TOWARDS BLAZER AND TOWARDS OUR ENTRANCE TO THE SOUTH. 
          UM, THE WINDOWS ARE WHITE AND SO THEY WILL POP A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, AND WE'VE ADDED SOME NATURAL STAINED WOOD SCREENING AROUND GROUND MOUNTED CONDENSING UNITS. 
          UH, THAT'S ANOTHER ADVANTAGE WE HAVE TO THIS BUILDING THAT'LL BE APPRECIATED PRIMARILY TO THE TOWER. 
          THAT'S TO OUR WEST, IS THAT THERE'S NO MECHANICAL WELL ON THIS BUILDING. 
          SO PEOPLE AT A HIGHER ELEVATION LOOKING DOWN UPON THIS ARE GONNA SEE ROOF, NOT MECHANICAL. 
          WELL, UH, THE MECHANICAL WILL BE HELD WITH, WITH SPLIT SYSTEMS INSIDE THE BUILDING. 
          AND GROUND MOUNTING CONDENSING UNITS THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING SCREENED BY BOTH THE, THE WOOD FENCE DETAIL AND, UH, LANDSCAPING. 
          WHEN WE GET THERE, THE PROTOTYPE DOES HAVE, AS PART OF ITS CONCEPT A CUPOLA. 
          UH, ALTHOUGH IT HAS A PURE MIDDLE ROOF TO IT, WE'RE INCORPORATING TWO CUPOLAS TO STAY WITH THAT THEME. 
          IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, THEY FEEL IS IMPORTANT TO THEIR BRAND. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE MORE CONTEMPORARY WITH IT. 
          AND AS DESCRIBED, WHEN WE FIRST CAME THROUGH WITH THE INTENT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT WAS TO BE A CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATION OF RURAL BUILDINGS. 
          UM, WITH REGARD TO THE BOARD AND BATTEN, WHICH IS ALL THE GRAY MATERIAL WHERE WE HAVE THE MAIN BODY OF THE BUILDING, UH, WE'VE CHOSEN TO USE THE VERTICAL BOARD AND BATTEN TREATMENT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE CONSISTENTLY ON THE FIRST THREE BUILDINGS ALONG FRANCE ROAD THERE AND ON THE DENNIS BUILDING. 
          UH, BUT WHERE WE HAVE SOME SMALLER ELEMENTS THAT PROJECT FROM THAT, WE'VE CHANGED TO A LAPSED SIDING TREATMENT WITH THAT FIBER CEMENT ALL THE SAME COLOR, BUT THE VARIATION OF THE, OF THE TREATMENT OF THE FIBER CEMENT WILL CREATE SOME DIFFERENTIATION WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU VIEW IT, ESPECIALLY CERTAIN PARTS OF THE DAY WHEN SUN IS CASTING SHADOWS ON THE DIFFERENT TEXTURES. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO INCORPORATED SOME METAL CANOPIES ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING, BOTH FUNCTIONAL AND AESTHETIC. 
          UH, AND THOSE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE METAL CANOPIES THAT ARE ON THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AS WELL. 
          LET'S MOVE ON THROUGH, OH, CAN WE GO BACK ONE, I DO WANNA POINT OUT, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THAT BOTTOM ELEVATION SAYING WHY IS IT SO CONSISTENT IN THAT GRAY COLOR AND THERE ISN'T VARIATION IN MATERIAL. 
          SO WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDES. 
          UH, THIS, THESE TWO VIEWS AERIALS LOOKING WEST. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE BUILDING DOES A GOOD JOB OF OBSCURING VIEW TO THE PLAYGROUND FROM THE INTERNAL ACCESS DRIVE AND BLAZER. 
          AND LET'S KEEP ON MOVING THROUGH. 
          AND I'LL GET TO MY EARLIER POINT. 
          SO THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE ACCESS DRIVE INTO THE CORNER'S DEVELOPMENT. 
          YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'VE BROKEN DOWN THAT MASSING PRESENTED A DOMINANT STONE FORM CUPOLA. 
          WE THINK IT, IT'S A NICE ARRIVAL POINT, AND AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE SOUTH DOWN THE DRIVE AISLE AND TURN INTO THE PARKING LOT. 
          SO THIS IS THE ENTRY SIDE, VERY SIMILAR TREATMENT TO THE NORTH. 
          AND ON THIS SLIDE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DARK ON THE PROJECTION SCREEN. 
          HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER ON YOUR MONITORS. 
          THE BOTTOM IS THAT LONG FACADE OF ALL FIBER CEMENT. 
          UM, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF CODE, BUT JUST OUT OF DESIRE. 
          BY BY US, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HEAVY AMOUNT OF SCREENING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PLAYGROUND. 
          SO THIS VIEW THAT YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM IS REALLY THE ONLY POINT AT WHICH YOU'RE GONNA GET A GOOD VIEW OF THAT WEST ELEVATION. 
          UM, SO WE CHOSE NOT TO ADD THE STONE MATERIAL BACK THERE AND, AND BREAK THIS UP, UM, BECAUSE IT'LL BE RARELY SEEN FROM, WELL, IT WON'T BE SEEN FROM OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THIS IS THE VIEW FROM OUR PARKING LOT INTO THE PLAYGROUND AREA. 
          SO THAT FACE OF THE BUILDING WILL BE HEAVILY OBSCURED. 
          AND THESE LAST TWO SLIDES, THE TOP IS OF COURSE BACK ON BLAZER LOOKING SOUTHEAST. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, IN THAT SLIDE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT PLAYGROUND 
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STARTS, WHICH IS VERY FAR NORTH ON THE BUILDING. 
          WE'LL HAVE HEAVY LANDSCAPE AS IT AS IT MOVES SOUTH, AND THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY PEAK OF THAT CORNER OF THE BUILDING YOU'RE GONNA GET. 
          UH, THE AERIAL VIEW IS JUST HIGHER UP FROM THAT SAME VANTAGE POINT, AND IT'S REALLY JUST TO DEPICT HOW THE BUILDING AND PLAYGROUND AND RETENTION BASIN AND PARKING ALL INTERACT TOGETHER AND WITH THE PARK BEYOND. 
          SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO ZACH FOR THE STAFF PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'LL DO QUESTIONS TOGETHER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          SO THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW. 
          UM, THE DIAGRAM ON YOUR SCREEN SHOWS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS OF THIS. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE CORONERS ALREADY HAS AN APPROVED PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING FOR THE ENTIRE SITE. 
          UM, THE NEXT STEP FOLLOWING THIS WOULD BE A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          UM, SO IF THERE IS POSITIVE FEEDBACK TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS THEIR NEXT STEP. 
          SO TONIGHT, WE ARE FOCUSING PRIMARILY ON THE USE AND WHETHER THAT IS ACCEPTABLE BY THE COMMISSION AND IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE, THEN LOOKING AT THE SITE DESIGN AND THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AS WELL. 
          SO THIS SITE IS 1.68 ACRES IN SIZE AND ZONE, UH, WITHIN THE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OF THE CORNERS. 
          UH, THE PHOTOS ON THE SCREEN SHOW YOU THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE. 
          UH, AND THEN IT'S PROXIMITY TO SUB AREA A, WHICH IS THE, UH, NEW PUBLIC PARK THAT HAS BEEN INSTALLED JUST SOUTH OF THE SITE. 
          SO THIS IS LOCATED WITHIN THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN. 
          UH, THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA IS, WAS INTENDED TO ENCOURAGE A VARIETY OF USES, UH, FOR BOTH THE WORKERS, HOTEL VISITORS AND RESIDENTS WITHIN THE, THE DISTRICT AND ADJACENT TO THE DISTRICT. 
          UH, IT WAS ALSO INTENDED TO UTILIZE OPEN SPACE AS FOCAL POINT AND USABLE AMENITY, WHICH IS IN PART WHY THAT PARK WAS INSTALLED AND, AND REQUIRED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN ALSO SUPPORTING, UH, INFILL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS NOT CONSIDERED FOR THIS SITE AS THE REZONING HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE. 
          AND THE, THE ZONING USES ARE ALREADY IN PLAY. 
          UH, THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF MUR TWO. 
          UH, SOME OF THE USES THAT WERE INTENDED FOR THE, THE ENTIRETY OF THIS DISTRICT ARE SHOWN HERE. 
          UH, THE COS WAS A SITE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN AS SITE NINE, AND IT DID HAVE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER ALONG FRANCE ROAD WITH OFFICE, MORE INTERNAL TO THE SITE. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE THE THIRD PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CORNERS. 
          UH, SHOWN ON THE LEFT IS A SUB AREA MAP. 
          UH, PHASE ONE INCLUDED THE ENTIRETY OF SUB AREA A AND THEN THE THREE BUILDINGS ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF, UH, BUILDING OR SORRY, OF SUB AREA B ONE. 
          UH, SO THAT INCLUDED ABOUT 23,500 SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE BETWEEN THE THREE BUILDINGS. 
          AND THEN THE, THE NEW PUBLIC PARK, UH, IN 2022, PHASE TWO CAME THROUGH. 
          AND THAT WAS IN, UH, BUILT IN SUB AREA B TWO. 
          AND THAT WAS FOR APPROXIMATELY 7,000 SQUARE FOOT MEDICAL OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING, UH, THAT WERE BOTH APPROVED. 
          UH, TONIGHT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT SUB B THREE, UH, AND THEN AGAIN, THAT WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FOUND DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IF THAT WERE TO GO WELL. 
          UM, SO THE SITE PLAN IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. 
          THIS IS AN APPROXIMATELY 12,400 SQUARE FOOT DAYCARE FACILITY WITH 7,000 SQUARE FEET, THE PLAYGROUND SPACE AND 58 PARKING SPACES ALL ON THE SITE. 
          UH, AGAIN, THE PRIMARY DISCUSSION IS SURROUNDING THE USE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AS DAYCARE IS CURRENTLY NOT LISTED AS A PERMANENT USE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXTS. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT TEXTS FOR SUB AREA B THREE STATES THAT ONLY ADMIN OR ADMINISTRATION BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL USES, UH, IN TERMS OF OFFICE THAT ARE LISTED IN THE SUBURBAN OFFICE ZONING DISTRICT SHALL BE PERMITTED HERE. 
          SO ANY FUTURE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD REQUIRE A TEXT MODIFICATION. 
          SO THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS TONIGHT, THERE ARE THREE QUESTIONS. 
          THE FIRST IS REGARDING THE TEXT MODIFICATION, UH, TO PERMANENT, A DAYCARE USE. 
          SHOULD THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE TEXT MODIFICATION, THEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON THE SITE LAYOUT AND THEN THE MASSING AND ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. HEL, I LOOKING INTO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. FISHMAN? UM, I UNDERSTAND I MAY, I'M OFF BASE. 
          WE'RE WE'RE SIMPLY CHANGING THE ZONING TO ALLOW DAYCARE. 
          CORRECT? WE WOULD BE MODIFYING THE APPROVED USES AND THE DEVELOPMENTS OF SHIFT, RIGHT? WHICH THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          WHY WOULDN'T THIS BE A CONDITIONAL USE? BECAUSE WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT ARCHITECTURE AND HOW IT FITS IN AND SO ON. 
          WELL, IF IT'S, WE CHANGE IT SO THAT IT ALLOWS DAYCARE, WE'RE MODIFYING THE USE. 
          A KINDERCARE COULD COME IN WITH THEIR STANDARD BUILDING 
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AND, UH, 10 YEARS FROM NOW AND, AND, AND SLAP A BUILDING THERE BECAUSE IT'D BE ZONED FOR DAYCARE. 
          SO ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVAL. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, THE USE COULD BE PERMITTED LIKE ONE OF THE OFFICE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED, BUT IT WOULD ULTIMATELY REQUIRE PLANNING COMMISSION'S, APPROVAL OF THE CHARACTER, THE LAYOUT. 
          SO IF A TE TEXT MODIFICATION, A TEXT MODIFICATION COULD COME FORWARD WITH DAYCARE AS A CONDITIONAL USE, BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE ADDING AN EXTRA APPLICATION ONTO THAT AND ALREADY REVIEWING SOMETHING THAT'S BEING REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSION. 
          UH, I'M, I'M JUST THINKING I, MAYBE I'M OFF. 
          I'M JUST THINKING OF THE FUTURE. 
          IT'S GONNA BE VERY AWKWARD AND DIFFICULT IF A, ANOTHER A, A, A NATIONAL CHAIN DAYCARE COMES IN AND SAYS, YOU'VE MODIFIED THE USE. 
          WE'RE GONNA PUT OUR DAYCARE IN. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THIS AND THIS, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THE BUILDING'S ASSIGNED, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE NATIONAL CHAINS. 
          AND I JUST WONDER WHY WE DON'T MAKE IT A CONDITIONAL USE WHERE IT'S ONLY GOOD FOR THIS PARTICULAR DAYCARE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED BY PLAYING COMMISSION TONIGHT IF THAT'S THE PATH THAT, THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH THIS. 
          YEAH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE. 
          I MEAN, AND WE USE CONDITIONAL USE A LOT WHERE WE WANT TO, WE'RE HAPPY WITH WHAT WE'RE GETTING, BUT WE MIGHT NOT BE HAPPY WITH THE SAME USE WITH A DIFFERENT, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE A NATIONAL COMPANY THAT COMES IN AND SAYS, THIS IS OUR BUILDING, IT'S GREEN, IT'S GOT THIS, THIS, THIS IS WHAT YOU GET AND IT'S ALREADY ZONED THIS DAYCARE. 
          SO STAFF, IF YOU COULD CLARIFY IT, MAKE IT EASIER FOR US. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU COULD CLARIFY ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL OR A DIFFERENT PARCEL WITHIN THE DCAP, WHAT PROCESS WOULD THEY NEED TO COME THROUGH TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING IN THAT AREA? GENERALLY SPEAKING. 
          SO WITHIN, WE WILL, WE'LL SPEAK TO THE CORONER'S DEVELOPMENT. 
          ANY NEW BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO COME FORWARD WITH A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE APPROVED. 
          UM, ANYTHING THAT DEVIATES FROM THAT, WE WOULD BE REVIEWING THAT AS WELL. 
          BUT IT HAS TO FOLLOW WHAT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN STATES AND WHAT THAT HAS ALREADY LAID THE FOUNDATION FOR. 
          UM, IN OTHER AREAS OF DCAP, IF IT'S A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THE SAME PROCESS WOULD APPLY WHERE THERE WOULD BE A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          A AS IT STANDS, I'M GONNA CLARIFY IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AS IT STANDS DCAP, RIGHT? THAT WAS WE'D, WE'VE PREVIOUSLY WRITTEN THOSE REQUIREMENTS VIA THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE HAVE A SUBURBAN OFFICE AS AN ACCEPTABLE USE THROUGH THROUGHOUT. 
          SO I AND DAYCARE TUCKED UP UNDERNEATH SUBURBAN OFFICE AS AN ACCEPTABLE USE. 
          I'M, I'M ASKING AS I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT FOR THE CORNERS, WE SAID SUBURBAN OFFICE COULD, COULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE USE EXPECTING THAT, POTENTIALLY EXPECTING THAT DAYCARE WOULD TUCK UP UNDERNEATH THAT AS WELL. 
          IF, IF I COULD OFFER, I BELIEVE THE CONCERN IS I'M FOCUSING ON FUTURE ARCHITECTURE, FUTURE STANDARDS OF FUTURE BUILDINGS. 
          AND THE WAY EASY WAY TO PROTECT IT IS YOU MAKE THIS CONDITIONAL USE AND IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT'S STILL A DAYCARE CENTER. 
          WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO, IT'S MAKES IT MUCH EASIER FOR THE FUTURE BOARD. 
          YEP. 
          ANY NEW BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO COME FORWARD WITH A PRELIMINARY FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          NO, BUT, BUT THEY CAN. 
          BUT I, I'VE BEEN DOWN THAT DUSTY ROAD AND, AND THEY'LL SAY, WELL WAIT A SECOND, IT'S THE LAST GUY. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE DISCRIMINATING IS A, YOU'VE GOT A ZONE FOR A DAYCARE CENTER. 
          BUT IF WE MAKE IT A CONDITIONAL USE IT, WE MAKE IT A CONDITIONAL USE. 
          WE'VE DONE THAT MANY TIMES. 
          THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE, THE CURRENT STANDARD OF THAT TIME. 
          AND, AND IF I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER FOR THE NEXT BOARD. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE CONFLATING TWO THINGS, MR. FOX. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ARE ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, A LESSER QUALITY BUILDING COMING IN? I'M DIFFERENT. 
          I, I'M CONSIDERED ABOUT CONCERNED ABOUT A NATIONAL CHAIN. 
          WE'VE DONE THIS SO MANY TIMES WITH A NATIONAL CHAIN COMING IN AND THEY SAY, WE HAVE A GREEN BUILDING WITH THIS ROOF AND THIS IS IT. 
          AND, AND, AND YOU'VE GOT THIS THING'S ALREADY ZONED FOR A DAYCARE. 
          WE, WE SMELL DISCRIMINATION. 
          WELL, BUT THAT'S, BUT IF YOU HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE, IT WAS ONLY FOR THIS DAYCARE IF YOU HAVE A CONDITIONAL, WHETHER YOU HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE OR NOT. 
          SO IF, IF DAYCARE IS A PERMITTED USE AND SOMEBODY IS COMING IN WITH A NEW BUILDING IN THIS, UH, PUD, THEY HAVE TO BRING THAT NEW BUILDING ARCHITECTURE AND EVERYTHING THROUGH FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR ELSE THEY DON'T GET BUILDING PERMITS. 
          THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PERMITTED USE AND CONDITIONAL USE IS THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE, THEY'D HAVE TO COME AND 
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ASK FOR PERMISSION TO DO THE USE IRRESPECTIVE, NO. 
          REGARDLESS OF THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER FOR THE NEXT BOARD IF THEY COME IN AND SAY, IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR DAYCARE AND OUR DAYCARE LOOKS LIKE THIS AND THIS AND THIS AND, AND YEAH. 
          BUT HISTORICALLY, THE REST OF THE STANDARDS STILL APPLY. 
          YEAH. 
          HISTORICALLY WE'VE USED THAT CONDITIONAL USE FOR, LET'S SAY, WHEN ONE USE HAS A DRIVE-THROUGH AND WE DON'T WANNA PERMIT FUTURE DRIVE-THROUGHS JUST, JUST REGARDLESS. 
          THEN WE ADD THAT AS A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THAT USER. 
          I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT WE MIGHT NOT WANT A DAYCARE THERE. 
          AGAIN, YOU UNDERSTAND IF IT LOOKS DIFFERENT AND WE, THEY'VE GONE TO A LOT OF TROUBLES FOR ARCHITECTURE AND ALL THAT STUFF, AND IF, YOU KNOW, STONEY STONE, UH, DAYCARES, THEY'VE GOT THEIR, THEIR STANDARD BUILDING AND THEY SAY, WELL, WELL HEY, YOU KNOW, AND IT JUST, I I LIKE TO TO TO LESSEN THE, THIS FUTURE STRUGGLES AND I DON'T SEE HOW HARD IT WOULD BE TO MAKE THIS A CONDITIONAL USE. 
          IT, IT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM AT ALL. 
          IT AFFECTS THE NEXT GUY COMING IN. 
          WELL, IT, IT WOULD AFFECT THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE ASKING FOR DAYCARE TO BE A PERMITTED USE DAYCARE IN SOME FORM TO BE A PERMITTED USE. 
          WHEREAS IF THE TEXT WERE TO BE MODIFIED TO MAKE IT A CONDITIONAL USE, NOT ONLY WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME THROUGH AND ASK FOR THAT TEXT MODIFICATION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST, AN APP APPLICATION FOR THIS, FOR DAYCARE FOR THIS SPECIFIC ONE. 
          IT'S ADDING AN APPLICATION TO WHAT THIS APPLICANT HAS CONTEMPLATED I, IN ADDITION TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST THINKING OF THE FUTURE. 
          AND, AND, AND I'VE SEEN IT DONE BOTH WAYS. 
          AND I'VE SEEN IT WHEN IT WASN'T A CONDITIONAL USE AND SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THEY PUT WHAT THEY WANT THERE AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A HARD FIGHT FOR ZONING FOR STAFF TO, AND THAT WOULD BE THE CASE IF IT WERE A STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT. 
          SO IF IT WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, AN SO DISTRICT WHERE, OR I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY DISTRICTS WHERE DAYCARE IS PERMITTED USE, BUT IF IT WAS A STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT WHERE DAYCARE WAS A PERMITTED USE, THEN YEAH. 
          SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND SAY, WE MEET THE SETBACKS, WE MEET THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, BILLING MATERIALS, BOOM, WE GOT IT. 
          BUT BECAUSE THIS IS A PUD, EVEN IF IT'S A PERMITTED USE, THE AESTHETIC STANDARDS ARE STILL, AESTHETIC STANDARDS STILL APPLY. 
          THE DESIGN STANDARDS STILL APPLY STANDARDS IN THE P UUD. 
          PARDON? ALL THESE MICROPHONE, THE P UUD, I KNOW THEY'RE IN THE PUD, THE P UUD IS DRIVING THE, DRIVING THE DESIGN. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          DEVELOPMENT TEXT. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT HAS STANDARDS FOR THESE AREAS. 
          I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT A PUD IS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, UM, OKAY, IF, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER THE OTHER WAY, BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          IF THIS WERE A STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT, UM, HAVING AS A CONDITIONAL USE WOULD CREATE AN AVENUE TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS BEFORE ALLOWING A DAYCARE. 
          BUT IF A DAYCARE WERE TO BE A PERMITTED USE IN THIS DISTRICT, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND YOU WOULD STILL GET THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT, THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT TEXT FOR THE CORONERS REQUIRES. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT, BUT IN REAL LIFE, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A DAYCARE CENTER THAT MEETS STANDARDS EVERYWHERE ELSE, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A BRAND NAME SAY IN THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE THIS, IT, IT'S GONNA BE EASIER. 
          THEY'VE SAID, WE MEET THE CONDITIONS OF THE USE AND IT'S A DAYCARE CENTER. 
          UM, IT'S GONNA BE A HARDER FIGHT FOR THE NEXT BOARD IF THEY PUT IT THIS GREEN BUILDING IN THAT'S A NATIONAL CHAIN BUILDING, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT SHOULD IN THE CENTER. 
          IN THAT CASE, IT WOULDN'T MEET THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT. 
          AND SO THE PLANNING REPORT, I WOULD ANTICIPATE MS. ROUSH, IF YOU HAD AN APPLICATION THAT CAME FORWARD WITH A BUILDING THAT HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME MAKEUP THAT WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, THEN CAN YOU PRESENT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO THE COMMISSION? RIGHT. 
          THEN THEY'D BE BEFORE YOU EXPLAINING AND MAKING THEIR REQUEST FOR WHAT WOULD DEVIATE FROM THAT. 
          AND THE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. 
          SO IF THIS WAS, IF THIS DAYCARE WAS APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED AND SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN AND DO SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T MEET THE TEXT IN TERMS OF REQUIREMENTS, COLOR SIGNAGE, THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION TO BE REVIEWED ALREADY WITHOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE. 
          AND THE PLANNING REPORT WOULD REFLECT WHAT YES. 
          WOULD REFLECT WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE AND WHAT IS OR IS NOT BEING MET. 
          AND THEN THE COMMISSION WOULD BE ABLE TO OPINE ON THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT, THAT APPLICANT WOULD BE COMING BEFORE YOU EXPLAINING WHY 
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PLANNING STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THE DISAPPROVAL OF THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WHY YOU SHOULD OVERRULE RULE THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT AN EASIER FIGHT ON THE NEXT ZONING. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, THEY SAY, WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT, THE USE, YOU'VE APPROVED ANOTHER BUILDING, IT'S A DAYCARE CENTER, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA DO THIS. 
          WE'VE ALL BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD OKAY. 
          WHERE THEY SAY, WELL, WE HAVE, IT'S A NATIONAL COLOR, WE'VE GOTTA USE IT THIS WAY AND THIS WAY. 
          AND, AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE USE. 
          SO IF IT WAS A CONDITIONAL USE, IT'D BE DIFFERENT. 
          BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO BE THINK OF THE FUTURE . 
          OKAY. 
          SO SEPARATE, SEPARATE LINE OF QUESTIONING THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING ABOUT, UH, THE USE. 
          AGAIN, IS THIS SITE SPECIFIC OR THE CORNER SPECIFIC OR DCAP SPECIFIC? CONSIDERING THIS WOULD BE FOR SUB AREA B THREE AND THIS IS THE ONLY BUILDING THAT WOULD BE ON B THREE. 
          IT WOULD BE B THREE SPECIFIC SITE SPECIFIC. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. SCHMEAR? WELL, I'LL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THESE GRANDER THAN THEY ARE AFTER THIS DISCUSSION, BUT THEY'RE NOT, UM, I WAS CONFUSED OR ABOUT A COUPLE ITEMS. UM, ONE I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE, THE TRAFFIC FLOW FOR THE DROP OFF. 
          UM, I'M NOT QUESTIONING IT AND I'M SURE YOU'VE GIVEN A LOT OF THOUGHT TO IT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A CIRCLE, SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE WAY DROP OFF WORKS FOR THIS PARTICULAR DAYCARE USERS, THE SPACES THAT ARE ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE, INCLUSIVE OF THE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACES AND THE SPACES THAT ARE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARKING AREA, THOSE ARE DESIGNATED PICKUP AND DROP OFF SPACES. 
          THE REST OF THEM ARE FOR LONGER TERM PARKING. 
          SO A PARENT EITHER MORNING OR NIGHT OR ANYTIME DURING THE DAY FOR THAT MATTER, COMES IN PARKS AT A SPACE THAT'S ADJACENT TO WALK. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT TRAVERSING THE PARKING LOT WITH THEIR CHILD AND IMMEDIATELY IS ABLE TO COME AND GO FROM THE BUILDING. 
          SO THAT NUMBER OF SPACES ACTUALLY EXCEEDS WHAT THEY TYPICALLY NEED FOR A FACILITY OF THIS SIZE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT WAS, UH, IN THE PLANNING REPORT, THERE WAS SOME COMMENT, A CONCERN RELATIVE TO THE SIZE, UM, PERMITTED WAS 12,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          THIS IS 12,400 PLUS. 
          YES. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT A DESIGN DECISION? IS IT A IT'S A LIFE UTILIZATION, UTILIZATION DECISION? YES. 
          UH, WITH, WITH DAYCARE AND YOUR DAYCARE LICENSE, THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE IN A FACILITY IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND SO THIS HAPPENS TO BE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT PER THEIR OPERATIONAL MODEL, UH, ALLOWS THEM TO ATTRACT THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT THEY'D LIKE. 
          SO TO, TO SAY IT, CONVERSELY, IF IT WERE SMALLER, IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE LESS? CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS IT, WHAT SORT OF STUCK OUT TO ME, AND MAYBE THERE'S A FUNCTIONAL REASON FOR THIS, THE, THAT THE ENCLOSURE, THE MECHANICAL SCREEN IS WOOD. 
          MM-HMM. 
           YOU CONTEMPLATE NATURAL WOOD. 
          YES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           STAINED NATURAL WOOD, PROBABLY CEDAR. 
          IS IS THERE A FUNCTIONAL REASON WHY MATERIAL? UH, NO. 
          I, I PERSONALLY JUST LIKED THAT THAT POP OF, OF A WARMER COLOR AGAINST THE BUILDING. 
          AND OF COURSE, CEDAR, EVEN STAINED WILL GRAY OVER TIME. 
          UH, SO IT WON'T BE AS SHARP A CONTRAST IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, BUT I DID LIKE THAT, THAT FEEL OF A, OF A NATURAL MATERIAL DOWN ALONG THAT WALKWAY IN THE ENTRANCE DRIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU MR. SCHNEER. 
          MR. CHINOOK, I HAVE JUST A SUGGESTION OR RECOMMEND, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DECIDE ON THE USE IF WE'RE GOOD WITH THE USE. 
          'CAUSE I DO HAVE, I, TO ME IT'S TWO SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS, RIGHT? LET'S TALK ABOUT THE USE. 
          'CAUSE I DO HAVE, I THINK WE ALL PROBABLY HAVE COMMENTS ON THE WOOD AND SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND THE SITE LAYOUT. 
          SO DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO, I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST DOING QUESTIONS, SO IT'S AN INFORMAL, WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION, BUT WE ARE PROVIDING FEEDBACK. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST GETTING CLARIFICATION ON DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MY QUESTION THEN ON THE USE IS FOR STAFF, I GUESS IS THE, THE VISION FOR THIS AREA ABOUT THIS, THIS IS ANOTHER, I GUESS WHAT I CALL A NINE TO FIVE USE. 
          SO IS THE VISION FOR THIS AREA TO BRING IN MORE RESTAURANT, BRING IN MORE, UM, I GUESS AFTER HOURS ACTIVITY? OR DOES THIS FIT WITHIN KIND OF THAT VISION FOR THIS SPACE? BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE CONCERN I HAVE WITH THIS USE IS THAT IT, AGAIN, IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK AND IT'S EMPTY JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE, THE, THE SPACE OF THE SURE CORNERS. 
          SO THE VISION 
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FOR, FOR THIS AREA AND THIS SPEC SITE SITE SPECIFICALLY, WAS TO PROVIDE AMENITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT AVAILABLE BOTH TO THE WORKERS THERE, BUT ALSO TO THE NEIGHBORS, TO THE, THE EAST. 
          UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT, I KNOW PAUL CAN SPEAK TO WHAT, WHAT USERS ARE CURRENTLY THERE AND WHAT ARE BEING MARKETED TOWARDS, BUT THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS PROVIDING AMENITIES OF ALL, ALL SORTS. 
          SO BOTH RESTAURANT, UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A COFFEE RETAIL CHAIN THERE, UM, BUT ALSO POTENTIALLY OFFICE AND THEN OTHER PERSONAL SERVICES SUCH AS THOSE. 
          AND IF I MAY JUMP IN, SO THAT'S FOR THE ENTIRE CORNERS AREA. 
          THIS PARTICULAR SUB AREA IS ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS VERY SPECIFIC TO OFFICE USES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. WE, SO, UH, ZACH, CAN YOU THINK OF ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN DUBLIN WHERE THERE'S A DAYCARE NEXT TO A WET TO A POND WITH WATER IN IT WHERE THE OUTDOOR AREA ABUTS IT? NOT TO A POND . 
          UM, BUT I KNOW THERE ARE TWO DAYCARES IN THE THOMAS KOHLER AREA WHERE THEY WOULD ABUT THE LOOSE THE KRAMER DITCH. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A MANGOES PLACE, WHICH WAS RECENTLY APPROVED. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF EMERALD. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT, THAT I CAN THINK OF. 
          BUT IT'S A NATURAL FEATURE AS OPPOSED TO A MANMADE FEATURE IN A PARK. 
          AND, AND THE PARK IS ADJACENT, HAS A, HAS A WALKWAY DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE OUTDOOR PLAY AREA THAT THAT'S NOT KIND OF CONSISTENT ANYWHERE ELSE? IS THAT I'M NOT, I'M NOT AWARE AT THIS POINT, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. WE, MR. LAC, UH, MR. BEAN, I QUESTION FOR YOU RELATIVE TO, AND, AND FORGIVE ME, I, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE CODE AROUND A DAYCARE. 
          WE HA THIS, THIS SEEMS TO HAVE COME UP BEFORE. 
          OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE SOME OF THOSE KIDS ARE NOT AMBULATORY QUITE THE SAME WAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , COULD THIS GO MULTIPLE STORIES? COULD, COULD THE 12,000 SQUARE FOOT POTENTIALLY BECOME SIX OR EIGHT? WE HAVE DONE DAYCARES THAT ARE MUL MULTIPLE STORIES, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANY REASON THIS IN PARTICULAR? DID YOU CONSIDER THAT HERE? NO. 
          IT, IT'S DIFFICULT OPERATIONALLY, WHILE BY CODE WE CAN ACHIEVE MULTIPLE STORIES. 
          WE'VE ONLY DONE IT IN SITUATIONS WHERE IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE WORK ON A, ON A SMALLER SITE. 
          UM, THIS SITE JUST SO HAPPENS TO BE LARGE ENOUGH THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN THAT, THAT ONE STORY. 
          AND FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WATCHING KIDS, MOVING KIDS AROUND THE BUILDING, GETTING THEM TO AND FROM THE PLAYGROUND, ONE STORY IS, IS ALWAYS THE IDEAL SITUATION. 
          GOT IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MS. HARDER, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, DID YOU CONSIDER A CIRCULAR DRIVE, MEANING YOU CAN STILL HAVE SOME PARKING ALONG THAT CIRCULAR DRIVE SO PEOPLE CAN KIND OF COME IN AND OUT AND THEN WOULD YOU HAVE EXTENDED SOME MORE AWNINGS JUST FOR ENC, CLIMATE, WEATHER, PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT, IF THOSE WERE SOME OF YOUR THOUGHTS? SO NOT LIGHTBRIDGE IN PARTICULAR, BUT THE OTHER DAYCARE ORGANIZATIONS WITH WHOM I WORK, THE IDEA OF A DROP OFF AREA IS SOMETHING THAT IS, IS REALLY NOT DONE ANYMORE. 
          PARENTS DON'T WANT TO PULL UP AND HAVE THEIR KID GET OUT AND, YOU KNOW, RUN OR, OR COME OUT TO THE CAR BY, BY THEMSELVES. 
          EVEN IN SITUATIONS WHERE THOSE DROP-OFFS ARE PROVIDED, THE PARENTS STILL PARK, YOU KNOW, AND WALK TO THE BUILDING. 
          SO WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED A A, A DROP OFF LANE, UH, PER SE IN YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING THEY COULD STILL PARK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          BUT IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE CLOSER THAN THE FEELING OF WHERE THE PARKING IS RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S WHAT WAS HITTING ME ABOUT THAT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I, SO YEP. 
          SO THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING, THOSE ARE DESIGNATED SPECIFICALLY FOR PICKUP AND DROP OFF. 
          AND THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT FUNCTIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR USER IS FEWER THAN WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY PROVIDED. 
          SO WE'VE EXCEEDED MM-HMM  THEIR NEED FOR PICKUP AND DROP OFF SPACES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING. 
          UM, FOR THE CITY. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU'VE DONE THOSE GREAT OPEN HOUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, ARE, IS IS DAYCARE PRETTY HIGH? LIKE, ARE PEOPLE SAYING THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT DAYCARE AND NEED AND, AND SO FORTH? JUST WITH MORE PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME. 
          AND I MEAN, THEY'VE NOT REALLY GOTTEN THAT GRANULAR HONESTLY, UM, IN TERMS OF THEIR FEEDBACK. 
          SO, OTHER 
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QUESTIONS, MR. CHIN? YEAH, I GUESS WE'LL GET INTO THE, THE SITE AND THE BUILDING. 
          SO THE, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THE, THE, THE MAIN ENTRY IS OFF OF BLAZER PARKWAY, CORRECT? TO, UH, NO, THE, THE ENTRY IS TO THE SOUTH FACING THE PARKING FIELD. 
          THAT BLAZER, UH, ENTRANCE DOOR THAT YOU SEE THERE IS PURELY FOR EMERGENCY EGRESS PURPOSES ONLY. 
          ARE YOU TALKING THE VEHICULAR ENTRY OR THE YES, THE VEHICULAR ENTRY. 
          PEDESTRIAN ENTRY. 
          ENTRY. 
          SO YES, YOU COME OFF OF BLAZER ON THE COMMON DRIVE THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING THERE. 
          ONCE YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT TURNS EASTBOUND AT THE PARK, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A RIGHT HAND TURN INTO OUR PARKING FIELD. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I GUESS THE, THE, THE THOUGHT I HAD, OR I GUESS I'D, I'D ASK YOU THE, I KNOW THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING'S CHALLENGING, BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND THAT'S KIND OF THE PRIMARY ELEVATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
           FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, FROM THE STARBUCKS, FROM THE REST OF THE, THE CORNER'S DEVELOPMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND WE'RE PUTTING MECHANICAL UNITS AND SCREENING MECHANICAL UNITS ON THE BACKSIDE. 
          DID YOU CONSIDER SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE? BECAUSE AGAIN, I, I, I JUST, THAT ELEVATION'S TOUGH FOR ME. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION IS, YOU MENTIONED IT EARLIER OF JUST THE, THE KIND OF THE VERY HOMOGENOUS LOOK MM-HMM. 
          . 
          DID YOU, DID YOU LOOK AT ADDING MORE ARTICULATION IN TERMS OF MATERIALS TO ONE OF THOSE EL THAT THAT ELEVATION OR THOSE, THOSE, UH, WEST AND EAST ELEVATIONS, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT ADDING MORE BECAUSE THIS IS ALREADY A SIGNIFICANT JUMP FORWARD FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE STARTED WITH. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHAT WE WERE HANDED AND THE DESIGN WAS BROUGHT TO THE POINT THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS, IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH AND UH, AND WORKED REALLY WELL. 
          SO I, NO, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT GOING ANY FURTHER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN CAN YOU ADDRESS THE MECHANICAL, THE PUTTING HIS SURE, SURE. 
          SO WE HAVE OUR MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE SOUTH. 
          WE HAVE THE BLAZER, UH, FRONTAGE TO THE NORTH AND THE PLAYGROUND OF THE WEST. 
          SO THAT LEAVES THE EAST FOR THE MECHANICAL UNITS. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT LARGE UNITS, THEY'RE JUST RESIDENTIAL SIZED CONDENSING UNITS LIKE WE ALL HAVE OUTSIDE OF OUR HOMES. 
          SO THEY ONLY STAND ABOUT THIS TALL. 
          UM, THEY'LL BE COMPLETELY SCREENED BY FENCE AND LANDSCAPE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ONE MORE, ONE LAST QUESTION ON THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          THE COUPAS WITH THE AS. 
          IS THAT A DEAL BREAKER? 'CAUSE THE COUPAS DON'T NECESSARILY, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY NECESSARILY, I KNOW YOU'RE, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A BRAND AND YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, BUT IS THAT A DEAL BREAKER? LIKE IF YOU, IF WE WERE TO RECOMMEND NOT HAVING THOSE OR SOME OTHER ARTICULATION UP THERE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE A DEAL BREAKER. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO I'M GONNA, UH, BREAK MY, MY NORMAL HERE FOR A MOMENT. 
          UM, WE ARE GOING TO GO WITH THE IDEA THAT THIS IS INFORMAL, SO WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION THIS EVENING. 
          HOWEVER, UM, WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THE, THE USE FIRST AND THEN WE'LL BREAK DOWN ANY OTHER FEEDBACK, UH, ASSUMING THAT THERE'S DISCUSSION THERE IN THE USE. 
          UH, SO ON THE COMMISSION, I THINK MR. FISHMAN, YOU WERE ON AND I WAS ON, I THINK MARK, THE THREE OF US WERE ON WHEN WE SAW SOME OF THESE CORNERS THINGS EARLIER ON. 
          SO A LITTLE BIT OF THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND THEN ALSO, UM, CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT THIS WENT THROUGH MULTIPLE LEVELS. 
          UH, THE VISION FOR THE AREA, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE DCAP AREA NEEDS SUPPORTIVE SERVICES. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE IN THE AREA. 
          THAT WAS WELL THOUGHT THROUGH. 
          WE, WE NEED TO HAVE THEM. 
          THE FRONT OF THIS FRANCE ROAD WAS TO ACTIVATE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE STARBUCKS, THAT'S SOME OF THESE OTHER USES THAT ARE VERY ACTIVE, THAT ARE THOSE RETAIL ORIENTED. 
          AND THEN BEHIND THAT CONTEMPLATED WERE THE OFFICE USES. 
          AND SO LIKE MS. ROUSH CALLED OUT, WERE OFFICE USES AND THAT WAS GOOD. 
          THERE WERE CONSIDERATIONS OF ACCESSORY USES. 
          SO MINOR ACCESSORY USES THAT HAD SOME SUPPORTING, UM, SERVICES FOR THE EMPLOYEES. 
          YOU KNOW, WE DO LIVE IN KIND OF A DIFFERENT WORLD THAN WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND IT'S PROBABLY VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR SOME PEOPLE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO'S BUILDING OFFICE RIGHT NOW? PRETTY MUCH THE ANSWER IS NOBODY. 
          UH, AND SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE CONSIDERATION THAT I HAVE IS, THIS IS A VERY LARGE PARCEL. 
          IF WE WERE LOOKING, UH, SORRY, LARGE, LARGE BUILDING FOR THE PARCEL. 
          IF WE WERE LOOKING AT AN ACCESSORY USE, A COMPLIMENTARY USE, A SMALL SCALE USE TO COMPLIMENT OFFICE USE IN THE AREA, WE HAVE A VACANT BUILDING RIGHT BEHIND. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A MASSIVE BUILDING. 
          IF WE HAD AN ACCESSORY USE THAT IS SMALL IN NATURE, THEN I WOULD BE CONSIDERATE OF THAT. 
          I THINK MR. SUE BLACK BROUGHT UP GOING 
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VERTICAL AGAIN, NOT GIVING UP THE LAND FOR FUTURE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE THIS FOREVER. 
          AND WE CAN BE MORE PATIENT PROBABLY THAN WE CAN BE. 
          UH, AND, AND THAT IS DEFINITELY CONSIDERED, BUT THERE MAY BE KIND OF A HYBRID, UM, A APPROACH THAT ALLOWS AN ACCESSORY USE BUT DOESN'T CONSUME AN AREA THAT IT COULD BE SOMETHING EVEN BETTER. 
          CAN I ADDRESS TWO, MR. BECAUSE YOU RAISED SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS AND I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS TWO THINGS. 
          ONE IS MORE MARKET DRIVEN, WHICH YOU'VE HIT ON A LOT OF GOOD MARKET POINTS AND THE OTHERS IS REALLY HOW THE DEVELOPMENT HAS, HAS OCCURRED. 
          IN FACT, WHERE THE, UH, THE DENTIST, DR. 
          ASANI IS TO THE SOUTH, THAT THAT SITE, SO SOUTH OF THE PARK, UH, THE STAFF, WHEN WE WERE GETTING THE ZONING APPROVED, IF WE GO BACK TO DAY ONE WITH THIS PROJECT, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DO THREE STORY WALKUP APARTMENTS. 
          THAT'S WHAT DCAP SAID. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE RESPONDED TO IN THE RFP. 
          SO I, I DON'T WANNA GO BACK TOO FAR, BUT THIS PROJECT LOOKED WAY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT DCAP ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED. 
          SO WE HUNG IN THERE. 
          WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR SIX YEARS TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK AND WE'RE STRUGGLING. 
          THE FACT THAT THE OFFICE BUILDING NEXT DOOR WITH 411,000 SQUARE FEET DOESN'T HAVE A SINGLE BODY IN IT. 
          I'D BE LYING IF I TOLD YOU IT'S HELPING US, IT'S KILLING US, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE STILL SITTING WITH AS MUCH GROUND TODAY, SIX YEARS AFTER WE STARTED THIS ENDEAVOR. 
          THAT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM. 
          THAT'S MY PROBLEM. 
          I GET IT. 
          HOWEVER, DR. 
          HASANI'S SITE, WHERE THE DENTIST WENT, THAT WAS ABLE TO BE A FLEX SITE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE HAD MORE RETAIL DEMAND, WE WERE ALLOWED TO FLEX THAT SITE BETWEEN OFFICE AND RETAIL. 
          I THINK THE BUILDING THAT DR. 
          SANI BUILT AND IS NOW OCCUPYING IS WONDERFUL. 
          I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR THE PROJECT. 
          I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF FRANCE ROAD, I HOPE YOU AGREE. 
          I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON THE BALANCE OF THE GROUND. 
          SO THAT'S ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY, WHICH DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. 
          WHERE I DO WANT TO GO TO YOUR QUESTION IS OVER THIS SIX YEARS, I THINK I'VE PROBABLY TALKED TO, AND WE HAVE OUR HEAD MARKETING PERSON HERE. 
          I'VE PROBABLY TALKED TO EIGHT DIFFERENT DAYCARES THAT WANT TO BE IN THAT SITE. 
          AND EVERY TIME WE'VE TALKED TO THEM, WE'VE SAID, WELL, HERE'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO MAKE YOUR BUILDING WORK. 
          NOT, NOT SO I'M NOT GETTING TO SITE YET, BUT JUST HOW NICE IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE GROUPS PRIOR TO THIS ONE HAS SAID, WE CAN'T MAKE IT WORK WITH WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS BUILDING COST. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO GO TO A COMMENT YOU MADE, MR. FISHMAN, THIS IS A LEASE. 
          WE'RE NOT SELLING THE GROUND. 
          IT'S A 15 YEAR LEASE WITH THIS COMPANY. 
          AND I LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY LIKE YOU DO, AND I REALLY CARE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE, SURE, THIS DAYCARE COULD GO TO ANOTHER NAME. 
          BUT THEN WE'RE BACK HERE FOR EVEN CHANGING THE NAME ON THE SIGN AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT SECTION, UH, SUB AREA B THREE. 
          BUT WHERE IT GOES TO THE SIZE COMMENT, I DO BELIEVE THE REASON WHY THESE FOLKS ARE ABLE TO MAKE IT WORK AND HAVE A BUILDING THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS BECAUSE WE CAN GET ENOUGH KIDS IN THERE. 
          WE KNOW THERE'S A DEMAND IN THIS IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR THIS TYPE OF SERVICE. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED IN IT, THAT THAT'S, EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE ARE WORKING FROM HOME, UH, I GUESS AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I SURE HOPE THEY'RE NOT WORKING FROM HOME WITH THEIR KIDS NEXT TO THEM. 
          THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF WORKING FROM HOME. 
          SO WE STILL NEED THIS USE. 
          WE KNOW WE NEED THIS USE. 
          WE'RE ASKING FOR YOU TO HELP US ON A SITUATION WHERE WE MADE A MISTAKE ON THE TEXT. 
          IS THIS BUILDING 400 SQUARE FEET MORE THAN WHAT WAS CURRENTLY CONTEMPLATED? SURE. 
          IS THIS BUILDING PROBABLY THE NICEST DAYCARE THAT ANY OF US HAVE EVER SEEN? I'D LIKE TO SAY YES TO. 
          WE'VE GOT A HECK OF A DESIGN. 
          SO ARE ARE WE FLEXING A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE WITH ANCILLARY USE? SURE. 
          IS IT NEEDED? ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP TO GET IT, GET THIS DONE. 
          THANK YOU MR. GTI. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          LOOKING TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, I, I TOUCHED ON USE. 
          UM, DO WE WANNA HAVE SOME OTHER, JAMIE YOU BROUGHT UP TALKING ABOUT THAT FIRST? DO YOU WANNA GO NEXT? UH, YEAH, NO, I, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I THINK WE ANSWERED THE QUESTION. 
          I THINK IT, IT, IT MAKES SENSE AS A USE. 
          I'M, I'M, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE USE. 
          I GUESS THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY GET INTO IT HERE, BUT SOME, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SIZE AND HOW IT'S, UM, ORIENTATED ON THE SITE. 
          BUT TOTALLY, TOTALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND, AND RECOMMEND YOUR COMMENTS. 
          BUT I'M, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE USE MS. HARDER, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE USE. 
          I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING FROM HOME THAT AREA. 
          I THINK I COULD VISUALIZE THEM, UM, WALKING THEIR KIDS THERE AS WELL AS BIKING. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THAT KIND OF BRINGS US TO THAT, UM, AREA OF DUBLIN. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WE, 
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SO MY, MY TACT IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND I, I RAISED IT BEFORE. 
          I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SITE AND THE WET POND AND HAVING KIDS RUNNING AROUND. 
          IT'S NOT FENCED, IT'S FENCED IF YOU'RE IN THE FACILITY, HOW ABOUT IF THEY'RE, THE PARENTS ARE PICKING UP AND THEY'RE OUT IN THE PARKING LOT, UH, KID GETS LOOSE, BAM, HEY, WATER, AND THEY RUN FOR IT. 
          I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S A SAFETY FACTOR THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          I DON'T, ALSO DON'T, I WOULD SAY THAT EVEN IN THE FENCE PLAY AREA, KID GETS ON TOP OF SOMETHING, YOU CAN CLIMB OVER IT AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THEY HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE WATCHING THEM. 
          SOMETIMES YOU TURN YOUR BACK IN TWO SECONDS, A KID'S IN, IN TROUBLE. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR ME WITH THIS SITE. 
          I ALSO WANNA SAY THAT I, I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THIS PARK INTRODUCED INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT. 
          I THINK IT'S A REAL GREAT ASSET. 
          I WOULD HOPE THAT THE USE ON THIS SITE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE MORE OF THAT PARK AND B AND, AND THAT USE CONTRIBUTE TO THE ACTIVITY ALONG THAT PARK. 
          SO THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS. 
          I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE USE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SCHNEER. 
          UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE USE. 
          I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA, AND I THINK WE ARE SPLITTING HAIRS, UH, SINCE IT WAS APPROVED FOR, FOR AN OFFICE, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, TO AIR AS HUMAN TO FORGIVE AS DIVINE. 
          SO I'M OKAY WITH IT. 
          MR. FISHMAN. 
          YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND MR. KAY'S CONCERN ABOUT THE POND TO MAKE YOU FEEL A LITTLE BETTER. 
          I, ANOTHER CASE, MANY YEARS AGO, I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH WITH THE CITY ENGINEER, AND THOSE PONDS ARE DESIGNED THAT THE KID CAN RUN INTO THE WATER. 
          IT, IT GETS VERY, IT GOES VERY SLOWLY AS FAR AS DEPTH. 
          YOU GOTTA GET WAY OUT THERE FOR IT TO DROP OFF. 
          THAT'S THE WAY THE CITY DESIGNS THEM. 
          I, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE WAY, UH, UH, I TALKED TO CITY ENGINEER SEVERAL YEARS ABOUT THAT. 
          THAT'S STILL A KID COULD DROWN, I'M SURE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO, BUT, BUT THEY ARE SAFER THAN YOU THINK. 
          IF THE PARENT SEES THE KID GO, THE KID HAS TO GET PRETTY FAR IN THERE BEFORE IT DROPS OFF ABOVE THE KID'S HEAD. 
          IT ONLY TAKES A COUPLE INCHES. 
          WHAT? IT ONLY TAKES A COUPLE INCHES TO DROWN IN. 
          SO NO. 
          IF THEY FALL DOWN YEAH. 
          OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, I I, I JUST THOUGHT I'D LET GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION. 
          BUT, BUT I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT, THAT, UM, UH, UH, DAYCARE NEXT TO A POND ISN'T THE BEST, UH, SITUATION. 
          AND, AND I THINK MAYBE THEY WILL HAVE TO SOLVE THAT WITH FENCING OR SOMETHING. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT, BUT, UH, AND YOUR POINT'S WELL TAKEN ALSO THAT WHEN THE PARENTS PICK UP THE KID AND HE'S RUN INTO THE CAR AND SO ON, THEY CAN BE ATTRACTED TO WATER. 
          AND THERE'S DANGERS. 
          WE HAD THE SAME THING, EVEN A PERIMETER, UH, WHERE PEOPLE WERE REALLY STRESSED OUT ABOUT THE RETENTION PONDS WITH KIDS. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN I LEARNED ABOUT THE RADICAL DEATH . 
          BUT, BUT, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN. 
          SO I, I LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDRESSED. 
          OTHERWISE, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE USE. 
          BUT, BUT MR. CASE, SO APTLY BROUGHT UP THE POND AND THAT, THAT, THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME ALSO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. FISHMAN. 
          MR. C BLACK, ARE WE JUST, ARE WE JUST DEALING WITH THE USE RIGHT NOW? JUST THE CIRCLING BACK TO MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, UM, I, I AM SUPPORTIVE, RIGHT? CHECKS THE AMENITY BOX. 
          NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. 
          CHECKS, CHECKS, ACTUALLY THE VIBRANCY BOX IN THAT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ENERGY THAT COMES AND GOES FROM THE SITE EVERY DAY. 
          MAYBE SOME OF THE WORKERS ON THE SITE, INCLUDING THE DENTIST'S OFFICE, RIGHT? UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A COMPLIMENTARY NATURE TO IT. 
          UM, MR. SNARE KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT. 
          WELL, UH, HISTORICALLY, DAYCARE TUCKS UP UNDERNEATH SUBURBAN OFFICE, SUBURBAN OFFICES IN THERE. 
          IT'S KIND OF SUBURBAN OFFICE ISH. 
          UM, I, I, I COULD BE SUPPORTIVE. 
          THERE ARE CONCERNS. 
          UM, UM, I, THE, THE LEAST OF WHICH FROM MY VANTAGE POINT IS, UH, AND AS A, THE MEMBER WITH I THINK THE YOUNGEST KIDS ON, ON THE DIOCESE, UH, I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT MY KIDS TAKING OFF TOWARDS THE POND. 
          THEY MIGHT DO THAT. 
          THEY MIGHT SKIP A STONE, BUT, UM, I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THAN EVERYONE ELSE APPARENTLY. 
          UH, SO I, I STARTED US OFF THIS EVENING. 
          UH, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE USE AS AN ACCESSORY USE. 
          I STRUGGLE WITH THE SCALE ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL. 
          SO, UH, LET, LET'S MOVE ON TO AFTER USE. 
          I THINK WHAT YOU HEARD WAS FIVE AND TWO THERE. 
          JUST IF YOU'RE KEEPING TRACK, UH, IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO OTHER COMMENTS. 
          UM, AGAIN, THIS IS INFORMAL REVIEW. 
          UH, ANYONE WANT TO TALK TO ANYTHING BESIDES THE USE? MR. LAC? UM, 
          [01:10:01]
I'M GONNA, UH, I'M GOING TO SORT OF ABIDE BY ZACH'S LINE OF LINE OF QUESTIONS. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WE TOUCHED ON THE USE. 
          THE NEXT ONE WAS, ARE WE SUPPORTIVE OF THE, THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT? UM, AGAIN, YOU HEARD IT, YOU HEARD IT HERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE, WHAT THE SOLVE IS, BUT THERE IS WORRY ABOUT THE WAY. 
          IT'S, IT'S, YOU DID A GREAT JOB BREAKING DOWN THE BIG BLOCK, BUT IT'S STILL A BIG BLOCK, RIGHT? IT'S A, JUST A RECTANGLE REALLY, WITH SOME ARTICULATION. 
          KUDOS ON THE ARTICULATION THAT IT IS REALLY NICE. 
          UM, THERE IS CONCERN THEREIN TOO, I THINK I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT THE SITE LAYOUT. 
          AND, AND MR. C***K STARTED TO TOUCH ON THIS, RIGHT? UH, THERE'S ONLY EVEN THAT BIG BLOCK CONVERTIBILITY FUTURE. 
          AND AGAIN, I KNOW YOU GUYS AREN'T THINKING THAT WAY, BUT WE DO, RIGHT? THESE BUILDINGS LIVE INTO PERPETUITY ONCE THEY'RE, ONCE THEY TAKE OUR LAND. 
          AND, UM, THAT BIG BLOCK ONLY REALLY HAS VIABLE ACCESS FROM ONE SIDE, RIGHT? AND OF COURSE, THAT'S PART OF THE DESIGNING A DAYCARE. 
          YOU DO NEED TO CONTROL FOR THE SECURITY, BUT THAT JUST, UM, DOESN'T ALLOW IT TO BE DEALT WITH IN ANY WAY, UH, ANY DIFFERENT WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. 
          SO THAT IS SEEMINGLY CUMBERSOME, RIGHT? ONLY, UH, ALLOWS IT TO POTENTIALLY BE ONE USER, ONE TENANT EVER. 
          UM, I HAVE QUESTIONS HERE ON MASSING AND ARCHITECTURE. 
          ARCHITECTURE. 
          IT'S LOVELY. 
          UM, KUDOS. 
          UH, ALTHOUGH MUCH LIKE MR. CHINNOCK STARTED TO TOUCH ON, UH, THE ONE SIDE, YOU WILL SEE IT, YOU'LL SEE IT SPECIFICALLY DRIVING FROM BLAZER. 
          AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND YOU'LL SEE IT THROUGH THE, THE, THROUGH THE FOLIAGE AND THE, UM, PLAYGROUND AND THE, AND THE FENCE. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK THERE'S, THE MIX OF MATERIALS NEEDS TO CHANGE. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU WERE SERVED WELL BY YOUR RENDERINGS ONCE YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          WE LOOKED AT THE, LOOKED AT THE MATERIALS. 
          YOUR RENDERINGS ALL COME OUT VERY DARK, ASPHALT'S DARK. 
          THE, THE METAL ROOF IS DARK. 
          THE BOTH SIDINGS ARE DARK, RIGHT? SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BLACK ON BLACK ON BLACK WITH A LITTLE BIT OF STONE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, TOUCH OF WOOD. 
          UM, THE GIST OF THAT IS YOUR METAL APPEARS TO BE A MID-TONE METAL. 
          UM, THE BLACK IS CHARCOAL. 
          I APPRECIATE THE BOARD AND BAT TO THE, TO THE LAP SIDING. 
          I, I THINK THERE COULD BE MORE EITHER WOOD IN THERE MORE, UM, MORE STONE IN THERE. 
          I, I DEFER TO YOU ALL. 
          I THINK THAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE MIX IS NOT THERE. 
          I ALSO WONDER, FORGIVE ME, WE'RE GETTING KIND OF DEEP IN THE ARCHITECTURE IN YOUR WAY EARLY ON THAT, UM, IN VIA THE STONE WORK. 
          IT'S A LOVELY BUILDING. 
          ARE THERE, WHAT, WHAT, HOW ARE YOU DEALING WITH LENTILS AND SOLDIER COURSES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WOULD ADD A NICE TOUCH, MASSING. 
          IT IS LOW AND BIG. 
          WE TOUCHED ON THIS WORRY THAT THAT AFFECTS ITS CONVERTIBILITY. 
          I I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU BREAK THAT DOWN EVEN MORE THAN YOU DID. 
          IT WOULD BE LOVELY IF IT WENT TWO STORIES, AND THAT STARTS TO SHIFT SORT OF THE DYNAMICS AND THE WEIGHTING OF THE SITE IN A REALLY MEANINGFUL WAY. 
          IT'D BE BE LOVELY IF THAT MASS SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW, STARTS TO L AND CREATE CORNERS IN AND OF ITSELF. 
          UM, THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS ABOUT MASSING AND ARCHITECTURE AND SITE LAYOUT. 
          AND THEY, THEY ALL KIND OF WEAVE TOGETHER, RIGHT? I, I THINK YOU'RE, AGAIN, BIG MASS. 
          MAYBE IT'S OVERBUILT IS PART OF THE PROBLEM. 
          MAYBE IT WANTS TO BE TWO STORIES. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES RELATIVE TO THOSE TOUCHES THAT ALSO ALLOW THE FLOW. 
          EVERYONE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE FLOW, AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE A USER, BUT THE FLOW OF THE DROP OFF IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UH, A CRITICAL ASPECT AND KEEPING THAT SAFE. 
          MORE WORRIED ABOUT THAT THAN THE, THAN KIDS RUNNING OFF INTO THE POND. 
          OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. SCHNEER? UM, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO, UH, MR. LAC ARTICULATED THE ARTICULATION,  CONCERN EXTREMELY WELL. 
          UM, IT AGAIN, IT, IT, IT, IT JUST SORT OF DITTO. 
          IT, IT COMES OFF AS DARK. 
          I CAN'T, I DON'T HAVE THE SKILLSET OR THE BACKGROUND TO SUGGEST WHAT THE FIXES ARE TO IT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MATERIAL CHANGES. 
          ANY, ANYTHING I'D URGE YOU TO CONSIDER. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SOUP. 
          BLACK. 
          MR. WE, SO I HAVE A, A COUPLE COMMENTS. 
          AND BY, BY THE WAY, I SUPPORT DAYCARES. 
          I DON'T, IT JUST, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WATER AND KIDS. 
          AND, AND SO JUST, YOU HEARD MY POINTS. 
          UM, I KNOW YOU'VE, BECAUSE THE BUILDING HAS SUCH A BIG FOOTPRINT THAT YOU'VE HAD TO SQUEEZE THE PARKING. 
          UM, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF DEAD END PARKING LOTS, AND I WAS JUST SKETCHING HERE THAT, THAT THE ENTRY ROAD COULD COME STRAIGHT ALL THE WAY BACK AND THEN TURN INTO THE PARKING LOT AND GET RID OF THAT DEAD END. 
          THAT TO ME WOULD BE A FAR BETTER SOLUTION THAN THAT LITTLE LEFTOVER PIECE OF PARKING THERE, BECAUSE PEOPLE GET STUCK IN THERE. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S KIND OF JUST GENERALLY HOW THAT PARKING LOT FUNCTIONS. 
          [01:15:01]
AND I UNDERSTAND HOW DAYCARES FUNCTION AND ALL THE PICKUP AND, AND DROP OFF ALL THAT, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP YOU WITH THE FLOW, PERHAPS. 
          UM, AND, AND I JUST, I HAVE TO SAY THAT, UM, I THINK LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING IN THE CONTEXT OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, I THINK IT FITS IN REALLY WELL. 
          IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A DAYCARE TO ME. 
          LIKE IF I WAS A KID, I WOULD BE, IT'S DARK AND GLOOMY AND LIKE, MOM, I DON'T WANNA GO IN THERE. 
          I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A DAYCARE. 
          WHAT'S THAT? ? WHAT'S THAT? . 
          IT'S GRU'S HOUSE. 
          COME ON. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A WAY TO LIGHTEN IT UP AND TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE KID FRIENDLY, LIKE, THIS IS A PLACE I WANT TO GO AND HAVE FUN EVERY DAY. 
          I, I COULD BUY INTO. 
          AND I GUESS THE, IT'S JUST THE MASS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THE MASS OF IT, RIGHT? AND SO LIGHTNING IT UP, CREATING SOMETHING THAT IS MORE, FEELS MORE KID FRIENDLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          IT PROBABLY HAS TO DO WITH SOME SITE STUFF, HAS TO DO WITH ARCHITECTURE, BUT IT'S JUST VERY, UM, I DON'T KNOW, UNINVITING, I CAN IMAGINE FROM A KID BEING SCARY. 
          SO THANK YOU MR. WAY, MS. HARDER, UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          AND I, I, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING SUCH A HIGH QUALITY, UM, PROJECT TO US. 
          UM, AGAIN, I GO BACK TO, AND I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED IT WITH THE SECURITY, I THINK OF THINGS AFTER HOURS AS WELL TOO, ABOUT PEOPLE JUMPING THE FENCE AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PLAYING WITH EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT SECURITY HAS TO BE YOUR NUMBER ONE THOUGHT ON BOTH, ON BOTH ENDS AND BRINGING UP THE, UM, ALSO THE PARKING MASS. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'RE MENTIONING, UM, BUT AS A MOTHER OF FIVE, IT DEPENDED WHO WAS GOING TO BE PARKING NEXT TO ME AS TO WHICH SIDE WE GOT OUT ON. 
          AND SO IT'S KIND OF NICE WHEN YOU KIND OF PULL UP AND, AND THEN THERE'S LIKE ONE WAY EVERY DAY. 
          AND EVERYBODY, THAT CONSISTENCY IS A FLOW THERE. 
          SO MAYBE IF IT'S SPACES THAT ARE BIGGER THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN OPEN UP YOUR DOOR, GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT, BUT ALSO PARKING, THERE'S A LOT THERE AND I THAT, UH, THAT WHOLE SPACE DOESN'T FEEL, UM, LIKE IT'S, IT'S SET YET. 
          AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP YOUR, YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AS WELL TOO. 
          UM, AND THEN I, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING FROM HOME AND THEN MAKING IT A, AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          LET'S GO OUT AND, UH, RIDE OUR BIKES OVER THERE, UM, AND MAKING THAT A, A, AN AREA WHERE, UM, YOU HAVE A BIKE RACK AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE A PLACE TO GO THAT WAY AS WELL TOO. 
          UM, AND I WOULD, I WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE SUGGESTION ABOUT REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBOR, NEIGHBORS IN THE VICINITY AND JUST GET THEIR PERSPECTIVE ABOUT, UM, THE THOUGHTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT AS WELL TOO. 
          UM, LET'S SEE HERE. 
          UM, AND THEN I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THINGS LIKE, UM, IN THAT, IN THAT PLAYGROUND AREA, LIKE, LIKE WHERE ALL THE WRITING TOYS AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS GO AND, UH, AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO CONCEAL ALL THOSE IN THE EVENING AND PUTTING THOSE AWAY. 
          AND, UM, I JUST DIDN'T SEE IF THAT WAS GOING TO CHANGE, UH, THE LOOK, I DO LIKE IT THAT THE WHOLE AREA AROUND LOOKS THE SAME AND PUTTING SOME OF THE STONE EVEN ON THOSE AREAS YOU THINK WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE, I THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S, UH, WHEN THOSE YEARS ARE GOING WHERE THE TREES ARE STILL STILL GROWING. 
          UM, AND ALSO JUST A, A, A, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE ENTRANCE FOR ME AS TO HOW YOU'RE COMING IN AND GOING. 
          UM, SEEMED A BIT, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND. 
          UH, AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. 
          BUT AGAIN, I DO APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE, UH, AND, UH, LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. CHINOOK. 
          I'M GONNA BELABOR IT. 
          SORRY, I, I AGAIN, ON THAT, ON THAT ENTRY OFF OF BLAZER, I THINK WE, WE TALK A LOT OF FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE, AND I KNOW I TOTALLY APPRECIATE, I'VE BEEN IN YOUR SHOES BEFORE WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR A LOT OF COSTS, ADDITIONAL COSTS TO THE BUILDING. 
          WE'RE TALKING ARTICULATION, ALL THESE UPGRADED MATERIALS. 
          AND THEN WE'RE SAYING IT'S TOO DARK WHEN THE REST OF THE CORNERS IS A VERY DARK DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL. 
          SO I, I, I FEEL YOUR PAIN THERE, BUT I STILL THINK THAT THAT FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE IS SO IMPORTANT. 
          CREATING A STREET SCAPE ALONG THAT MAIN ARTERY THROUGH THE WHOLE SITE, UM, IS, IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. 
          AND, AND MAYBE SOME SORT OF, I DUNNO, LANDSCAPING ELEMENT ON THAT CORNER, OR JUST SOME THINGS TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE ENERGY WHEN YOU PULL IN INTO THAT SITE. 
          'CAUSE IT IS, IT IS GONNA BE PASSED BY EVERYBODY THAT GOES THROUGH THERE. 
          AS YOU GUYS. 
          I'M NOT TELLING YOU ANYTHING YOU DON'T KNOW, BUT I, I JUST THINK THAT IF WE CAN KIND OF GET PAST THAT. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER THOUGHT I HAD TOO. 
          I KNOW YOU'VE STARTED, YOU VARIED THE HEIGHT A LITTLE BIT ON THE BUILDING, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT, BUT MAYBE THAT HELPS EVEN MORE VARIATION OR SOME OTHER ARTICULATION, UM, WOULD MAKE IT FEEL LESS MASSIVE FROM A FOOTPRINT. 
          [01:20:01]
BUT IF THERE'S, I I, I, I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY. 
          IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT FEEL LESS OVERBUILT IN THAT, IN THAT CORNER WOULD BE GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. CHINOOK, OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. FISHMAN? I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYTHING MY COLLEAGUE SAYS, SO I WON'T BELABOR. 
          UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT FRONT ENTRANCE ALSO. 
          UM, WE HAVE SOME FRONT ENTRANCES ON OTHER BUILDINGS IN DUBLIN THAT WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED AT ONLY EMERGENCIES, AND THEY ARE USED. 
          SO I THINK THAT CAN BE DANGEROUS. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DAYCARE CENTER. 
          I THINK THE FLOW OF THAT PARKING LOT IS GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          AND, AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER WAY OUT. 
          SO JUST A SUGGESTION ON, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR TRAFFIC STUDIES AND SO ON, BUT I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          UM, I, I THINK OF DAYCARES, I THINK THAT, THAT IT'S MASSIVE TRAFFIC TWICE A DAY. 
          THAT'S WHERE ALL THE TRAFFIC IS IN THE MORNING WHEN YOU DROP 'EM OFF AND YOU PICK 'EM UP. 
          AND SO, UH, I THINK THAT I LOOK AT THAT VERY CAREFULLY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. FISHMAN. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I'LL ROUND OUT JUST ON ARCHITECTURE. 
          I THINK THE BUILDING'S LOVELY. 
          I DO AGREE THAT THE BACKSIDE, EVEN THOUGH MOST OF IT'S MASKED, UM, COULD USE SOME LIGHTNING. 
          SO ESPECIALLY THE BUMP OUT PORTION, I THINK IS THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, RIGHT? TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE STONE ON THAT BUMP OUT PORTION. 
          UM, I, I THINK THAT THE DRAWINGS DON'T DO IT JUSTICE. 
          UH, I, I THINK THAT ESPECIALLY WITH THE DIFFERENT TEXTURES, YOU REALLY JUST DON'T SEE THOSE IN TWO DIMENSIONS. 
          AND SO THREE DIMENSIONS, I, I WOULD EXPECT IT TO LOOK JUST PHENOMENAL. 
          YOU HAD ONE RENDERING THAT HAD THE WOMAN IN THE FOREGROUND KIND OF ALONG THE PARKING LOT. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT ONE ACTUALLY KIND OF, UM, PEAKED MY IMAGINATION AND I COULD REALLY SEE WHAT YOU WERE GOING FOR. 
          SO THAT ONE, I ACTUALLY THINK THE BUILDING IS LOVELY. 
          UM, YOU HEARD MY COMMENTS ON SCALE AND, AND USE, BUT THE ARCHITECTURE I THINK IS, I THINK IS BEAUTIFUL. 
          AND I THINK THAT SHOULD THIS BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WE MENTIONED LEASE AND THAT OF COURSE IS OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF, OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          BUT I THINK THAT ANY USER WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, UH, KEEN ON UTILIZING THAT, WHETHER IT'S SUBURBAN OFFICE OR THOSE TYPES OF USES THAT ORIGINALLY WERE CONTEMPLATED. 
          UM, SO THIS IS INFORMAL. 
          OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE HEARD FROM SEVEN VOICES HERE. 
          ARE THERE ANY THINGS THAT YOU'RE NOT CLEAR ON THAT YOU'D LIKE SOME CLARITY FROM THE COMMISSION? I AM NOT. 
          MAYBE PAUL IS, THIS HAS BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL, SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE COMMENTS. 
          I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SATISFY EVERYBODY WITH THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND THE USE AND WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE ANCILLARY SIZE. 
          BUT ACTUALLY ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SAY FROM, FROM A FUTURE MARKETABILITY STANDPOINT, WE'RE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE GONNA OWN THIS. 
          MAKING THIS A TWO STORY BUILDING IS CONTRARY TO MAKING IT MORE REUSABLE FOR A DIFFERENT USER. 
          IF WE HAVE TO INTRODUCE A STAIR AND OR ELEVATOR, IF WE HAVE TO INTRODUCE BATHROOMS ON TWO FLOORS, THE THE EFFICIENCY OF THIS BUILDING BECOMES A LOT LESS. 
          SO IF YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT, 'CAUSE WE ALL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE AGAIN, UH, AS AN OWNER IN THE REAL ESTATE, IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT, WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT WHO THE NEXT USER IS. 
          I THINK IT'S GONNA BE SOMEONE ELSE THAT DOES SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS BASED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          BUT HAVING SAID THAT, IF IT WAS TO FLIP TWO SUBURBAN OFFICE, I'D MUCH RATHER HAVE A SINGLE STORY MUCH MORE EFFICIENT THAN TWO STORIES. 
          DOESN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR YOUR ISSUE ABOUT SIZE AND OR THE ANCILLARY NATURE OF IT. 
          'CAUSE IT IS BIG ON THE SITE, BUT IT'S, IT WOULD BE A WAY BETTER ASSET IN THE FUTURE, UH, TO MARKET TO OFFICE AS A SINGLE STORY. 
          I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT AS WE'VE DISCUSSED. 
          AND IF IT WERE TO BECOME OFFICE USE, THAT BUILDING COULD BE BROKEN DOWN AND THE ENTIRE PLAYGROUND SPACE COULD BE A NICE, YOU KNOW, ARRIVAL COURTYARD FOR MULTIPLE ENTRANCES FROM THE WEST. 
          UM, SO I, I DO THINK IT'S, IT'S ABLE TO BE ADAPTED FOR MULTIPLE FUTURE USERS. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WADE, DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE? I, I JUST, I JUST WANNA ADD ONE MORE THING AGAIN, I, I, I'M, WE DON'T HAVE FLOOR PLANS OF HOW THIS BUILDING FUNCTIONS, BUT THERE'S CLEARLY AN, AN AGE SEPARATION IN THE BUILDING ITSELF. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THERE IS, YES. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY TO LIKE SOMEHOW CREATE TWO BUILDINGS CONNECTED? SO IT LOOKS LIKE TWO BUILDINGS, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE BIG MASS AND I'M, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT IS THERE A WAY TO DO IT SO THAT IT'S TWO PROGRAMMATICALLY LOOKS LIKE TWO BUILDINGS, AND SO YOU HAVE A, A BIG, THERE'S A INDENT IN IT, IF YOU WILL, THAT REALLY STARTS TO BREAK DOWN THE MASS. 
          AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UH, THE RENDERINGS ARE TOO DARK. 
          WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE 
          [01:25:01]
THE COLOR, LIGHTEN THOSE UP. 
          YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT WAY MORE DISTINCTIVELY IN THE NEXT ROUND. 
          THE WEST SIDE IS, IS WHERE THAT IS LACKING MOST. 
          SO I WILL WORK ON THAT SIDE ANYWAY. 
          JUST, JUST A THOUGHT, A WAY TO BREAK DOWN THE HUGE MASS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. 
          UM, THIS IS INFORMAL. 
          OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO ACTION THIS EVENING, BUT WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MOVING RIGHT ALONG IN OUR AGENDA. 
          [Metro Center Revitalization Update]
I BELIEVE WE HAVE COMMUNICATIONS AND AN UPDATE FOR METRO CENTER. 
          SO GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UM, YES, AS I MENTIONED AT OUR LAST MEETING, JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ABOUT THE METRO CENTER REVITALIZATION PLAN, UM, THAT I HIGHLIGHTED BRIEFLY, UM, AS AT OUR LAST MEETING, JUST TO GIVE THE COMMISSION A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH VIEW OF ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS AND THE GOALS, UM, OF WHAT THIS METRO CENTER IMPLEMENTATION FRAMEWORK IS LOOKING LIKE. 
          UM, AND GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND IF WE NEED FOLLOW UP INFORMATION OR OTHER ITEMS, I CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE THAT, UM, AFTER THE MEETING OR BASSA MAY BE ABLE TO, UM, STEP IN AND ANSWER IF IT'S SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, SO AS, UM, I HOPE MOST OF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, A LOT OF OUR, UM, OFFICE AREAS ARE REALLY DIVIDED INTO A VARIETY OF BUSINESS DISTRICTS, UM, AND METRO CENTER, WHICH IS THAT NICE GREEN, UM, COLOR, SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE ON THE EAST SIDE OF TWO 70 IS ONE OF THOSE MANY DISTRICTS. 
          SO EACH OF THOSE, UM, AND AS YOU START TO SEE ARE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          UM, AND THAT COMES FORWARD IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLANS. 
          THIS IS REPLICATED, UM, IN SOME OF THE SPECIAL AREA PLANS. 
          SO THE METRO CENTER IS REALLY KIND OF AT THE HEART OF THAT. 
          UM, WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVITALIZE THIS AREA, UM, THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN, WHICH WAS RELEVANT THIS EVENING, UM, WHICH INCLUDES THE METRO CENTER, BUT THEN ALSO THIS BLAZER RESEARCH DISTRICT THAT'S SHOWN ON THIS MAP. 
          UM, SO IT ENCOMPASSES A PRETTY LARGE AREA. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE ARE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, REALLY FOCUSING IN ON THAT METRO, UM, OFFICE AREA IN PARTICULAR. 
          UM, AND THIS REALLY STEMS FROM, UM, SOME VISIONING THAT WE DID IN 20, LIKE APPROVED IN 2022. 
          UM, SO IT REALLY WAS LOOKING AT WHAT COULD WE SPECIFICALLY DO THERE, WHAT ARE THOSE CATALYTIC THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN THERE? WHAT'S THAT BIGGER VISION, UM, FOR METRO, KNOWING THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, INCLUDES SOME OF OUR LARGER AREAS WITH LEGACY, WHAT WE CALL LEGACY OFFICE. 
          SO SOME OF OUR, UM, 1970S, EIGHTIES OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT REALLY NEED, UM, SOME, SOME NEW OPPORTUNITIES AND, UM, INFLUENCE THERE. 
          SO THAT SORT OF KICKED OFF, UM, THIS METRO CENTER PROJECT. 
          SO THIS SHOWS YOU THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT THIS METRO CENTER IMPLEMENTATION, UH, FRAMEWORK IS FOCUSING ON. 
          SO FRANCE ROAD, UM, UPPER METRO, UM, DOWN TO BLAZER IN TWO 70. 
          SO YOU'RE GETTING A ENCOMPASSING, A PRETTY BIG AREA, UM, OF, OF THIS, UH, PORTION OF DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN. 
          UM, AND HOW DO WE REALLY LOOK AT THAT, UM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF IS IT INFILL, IS IT NEW DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, CONNECTIVITY, UM, ALL THOSE PIECES, HOW DO, THERE'S SO MANY FACTORS GOING INTO THIS. 
          SO HOW DO WE START TO BREAK THAT DOWN, UM, AND LOOK AT WHAT THOSE SORT OF FOCUS PIECES ARE. 
          SO AGAIN, THE, OUR BIGGEST VISION ELEMENTS OF SUCCESS THAT WE SEE, UM, AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT IS LOOKING AT, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF EXISTING OFFICE TENANTS THERE. 
          SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND THOSE THAT WANNA STAY, UM, AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO BE PART OF THAT. 
          WE'VE DEFINITELY HEARD FROM THEM, THEY WANT TO SEE A VARIETY OF USES, RIGHT? AMENITIES, SERVICES, ALL THE THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. 
          UM, BUT ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO WALK AND HAVE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS THAT THEY CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE. 
          UM, AS I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR, IF YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS SITE, THEY'RE ALL VERY, YOU KNOW, SORT OF SEGREGATED LAND USES, VERY AUTO ORIENTED IN TERMS OF THEIR DESIGN. 
          SO WHAT ARE THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT, UM, TO MAKE THIS DISTRICT JUST A LITTLE BIT, UM, OR A LOT OF IT, UH, MORE ACCESSIBLE AND EXCITING AND REVITALIZED. 
          SO THAT ALSO THEN COMES IN WITH THIS CREATING A SENSE OF PLACE AND WHAT'S THE IDENTITY OF METRO, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A REPLICATION OF BRIDGE STREET. 
          WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE TAKING AWAY FROM THE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT. 
          SO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ITS IDENTITY. 
          SO AGAIN, THE GOAL OF THIS, THIS FRAMEWORK PLAN IS TO REALLY HELP US ESTABLISH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT METRO. 
          I THINK WE KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT IT. 
          UM, BUT HOW DO WE CAPITALIZE ON THAT AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CREATING THIS PLACE THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS, BUT COMPLIMENTARY OVERALL. 
          UM, AGAIN, WITH THE AUTO ORIENTED USE AND DESIGN OF THESE AREAS, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SURFACE PARKING, AND I HAVE SOME GRAPHICS TO SHOW YOU, UM, OF PERVIOUS VERSUS IMPERVIOUS. 
          IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY INCREDIBLE. 
          UM, THE AMOUNT OF BUILDING, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF PARKING LOTS. 
          SO, UM, WITHIN THIS AREA. 
          SO 
          [01:30:01]
REALLY LOOKING AT THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO EITHER DO INFILL OR NEW PROJECTS, UM, IN ADDITION TO, UM, YOU KNOW, KEEPING, KEEPING, UM, EXISTING BUILDINGS, IF THAT'S, UM, IF THAT WORKS. 
          SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY HOUSING IS A BIG PIECE OF THIS. 
          SO WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING VARIETY NEEDS TO BE HERE? WHERE IS THAT APPROPRIATE? WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH SOME OF OUR RECENT APPLICATIONS ABOUT KNOWING THAT, UM, HOUSING NEEDS TO BE HERE, BUT WHERE AND HOW AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, AND THEN NOT TO BE EXCLUDED AS THE OPEN SPACE PIECE OF THIS. 
          AND, UM, HOW DO WE CREATE THAT GREENWAY GREEN SPACE THROUGHOUT HERE, UM, AND INCORPORATE THAT AND REALLY BRING THAT INTO AND INFUSE THIS, THIS AREA IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL DESIGN. 
          SO TO HELP US DO THIS, UM, WE HIRED A CONSULTANT TEAM, UM, WHICH IS LED BY SAKI. 
          UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE OUT OF THEIR BOSTON OFFICE. 
          SO, UM, THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT, UM, BACKGROUND WORKING AND DEVELOPING PLANS FOR SIMILAR PROJECTS. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN SEE A COUPLE EXAMPLES ON THE SCREEN THERE. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO WORKING THEN WITH EMH AND T WHO, UM, WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH ON A NUMBER OF OUR PROJECTS. 
          UM, AND THEY HELPED US WITH THAT 2022 VISIONING, UM, PIECE AS WELL. 
          SO THEY HAVE SOME LOCAL, UM, BACKGROUND AND INFORMATION TO HELP, UM, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          AND THEN WE WANT THIS TO BE BASED IN THE REALITY AND THE OPPORTUNITY OF WHAT ACTUALLY WORKS HERE. 
          SO WORKING WITH SB FRIEDMAN, UM, TO DO REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, ANALYSIS. 
          'CAUSE THIS NEEDS TO WORK FROM A FISCAL STANDPOINT, AND HOW DO WE LEVERAGE THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP, UM, REVITALIZE THIS AREA. 
          UM, SO OUR PROJECT OBJECTIVES AS PART OF THIS FRAMEWORK IS REALLY TO BUILD UPON THIS PREVIOUS VISIONING THAT I TALKED ABOUT, CREATING THAT SENSE OF IDENTITY. 
          UM, A BIG PIECE OF THIS TOO, WHICH IS WHY THIS IS A COUNCIL GOAL, UM, IS LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THESE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE. 
          SO SIMILAR TO BRIDGE STREET WHERE WE MOVED RIVERSIDE DRIVE AND BUILT A GIANT PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, WHAT ARE THE THOSE KEY THINGS THAT THE CITY, KNOWING THAT THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT GOAL, UM, FOR COUNCIL, WHAT ARE THOSE KEY PROJECTS THAT MAYBE THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR AND BE THE FIRST, UM, PERSON OR PARTNER WITH A ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS? THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROPERTY OWNERS IN THIS AREA, SO HOW DO WE LEVERAGE THAT, UM, AND SHOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES THERE ARE TO, TO MAKE SOME BIG MOVES HERE? SO, UM, AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE NUMBER OF PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          WE'VE COLLABORATED WITH STAKEHOLDERS, REALLY LOOKING FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, UM, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          AND THERE WAS A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS COMPLETED TO UNDERSTAND EACH, YOU KNOW, EACH PROPERTY OWNER'S INTEREST, ABILITY, DESIRE TO BE PART OF THIS OR TO BE LEFT ALONE OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THEIR, WHERE ARE THEY AT, UM, AND WHO REALLY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING. 
          UM, THE PURPOSE ALSO OF THIS FRAMEWORK IS TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THOSE CATALYTIC SITES? YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PICK SOMEWHERE AND START, AND WHERE'S THAT GONNA BE? SO THE GOAL FOR THIS PLAN IS TO HELP THE CITY IDENTIFY THAT, UM, AND WORK THROUGH THAT. 
          SO, AND HOW DO WE BUILD THAT CONSENSUS TO GET THERE AND REALLY CREATE ACTION STEPS TO DO THAT. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST A PLAN WITH AN IDEA, IT'S HOW ARE WE ACTUALLY GONNA DO THIS? AND HAVING THIS CONSULTANT TEAM HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THOSE ACTUAL STEPS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE? AND HERE'S WHAT'S HERE'S FOR COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS AND COSTS AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AS THEY PICK, UM, PICK A STRATEGY MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, SO WE STARTED THIS, UM, TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR. 
          SO THAT WAS, UH, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER TIMEFRAME WHERE WE WERE REALLY GETTING OUR CONSULTANT TEAMS, UM, ON BOARD, LOOKING AT AN UNDERSTANDING, DOING SOME INITIAL DUE DILIGENCE. 
          UM, AND THERE AS I MENTIONED, THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AS PART OF THAT. 
          UM, THEN TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, WE HAD, UM, SOME ANALYSIS, UM, BY THE CONSULTANT TEAM, WHICH LED TO A CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, WHICH I THINK I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, WHERE THEY SAT AROUND AND DID SOME EXERCISES AND HIGHLIGHTED, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WERE, GIVING SOME VISUAL PREFERENCE TO WHAT THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THIS PLAN COULD INCLUDE. 
          THIS ALSO THEN INCLUDED A PANEL DISCUSSION, UM, WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO SHARE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS AND WHY THIS IS A CITY GOAL, AND THEN DO A SIMILAR, UH, VISUAL PREFERENCE EXERCISE WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, IN METRO CENTER. 
          SO WE DID THAT IN JANUARY. 
          UM, SO BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK AND INFORMATION AND THE CONSULTANT'S INITIAL RESEARCH, WE'RE NOW IN THIS EXPLORING SCENARIOS PHASE. 
          SO THEY'RE TAKING THAT, THEY'RE APPLYING WHAT THEY HEARD, UM, AND THE SITE CONSTRAINTS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO THEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THREE SCENARIOS, UM, THAT WILL BE SHARED WITH COUNSEL, UM, HERE APRIL, MAY TIMEFRAME, UM, WITH, AGAIN, THOSE ACTIONABLE ITEMS OF WE CAN DO THIS SCENARIO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT MEETS THESE GOALS AND HERE'S WHAT THOSE STEPS MIGHT BE TO DO THAT VERSUS, YOU KNOW, TWO AND THREE. 
          AND THEN I'LL GIVE 
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COUNSEL THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND, UM, AND MAKE SOME DECISIONS ABOUT WHICH ONE OF THOSE THEY WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE, UM, TO MEET THEIR VISION. 
          SO, UM, WITH THE GOAL OF THIS THEN WRAPPING UP IN SEPTEMBER, UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS OVERLAPPING WITH THE COMMUNITY PLANS, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TIMING WISE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND, AND INCORPORATE THE LARGER PLANNING PRINCIPLES WITH THAT. 
          BUT PROBABLY THE TIMING OF THIS PLAN, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE DONE BEFORE THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          THE COMMUNITY PLAN WILL BE DONE FIRST. 
          SO MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE WORKING TOGETHER AND WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING FEEDBACK ALONG THE WAY. 
          UM, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO TRANSPORTATION AND THE NETWORK, UM, THAT'S A REALLY KEY COMPONENT, WHICH WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT AS PART OF SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHERE ARE THESE KEY CONNECTIONS? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IF THERE'S A BRIDGE OVER TWO 70, YOU KNOW, CONNECTING TO SHIRE RINGS OR SOMEWHERE OVER ON THE, YOU KNOW, WEST SIDE, HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, SO THAT REALLY HAS SOME KEY FACTORS THAT WE NEED TO WEIGH AS PART OF THIS. 
          UM, ANOTHER BIG PART OF THIS IS WATER. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, THERE'S SOME REALLY SIGNIFICANT, UM, RETENTION AREA THERE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S A KEY COMPONENT IN EMH AND T HAD DONE SOME INITIAL STUDYING IN 2022 TO HELP US UNDERSTAND THOSE. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES WITHIN METRO CENTER ARE DRAINING TO THOSE PONDS. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE START, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS TO GET ENGAGED IN. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL LINKED AND IF YOU, YOU KNOW, ADJUST ONE, THEN THAT CAUSES CASCADING, UM, CHALLENGES. 
          SO UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT WORKS. 
          SO THAT'LL ALSO BE PART OF THIS, UM, SORT OF IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY OF WHAT'S THAT GONNA TAKE TO DO THAT. 
          UH, SO THIS IS WHAT I WAS MENTIONING. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL SITE, UM, FOR THIS METRO CENTERED, SO THE REALLY DARK BUILDINGS, SO ONLY 11% OF THE AREA IN THESE IN METRO IS BUILDINGS. 
          UM, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS IS PAVEMENT VERSUS OPEN SPACE. 
          SO IT'S VERY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN THAT SORT OF FIGURE GROUND PIECE, THAT'S REALLY TELLING, UM, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING HERE. 
          SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING GRAPHIC, UM, AND REALLY SHOWS WHAT THAT OPPORTUNITY COULD BE. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF BUILDING USES, UM, YOU KNOW, HOTEL IN THAT AREA OFFICE IS PRETTY MUCH THE STANDARD, UM, USE THERE. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE DO HAVE SOME, SOME OTHER USES, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE VERY SINGULAR IN THEIR USE AND THAT'S BEEN A CONVERSATION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE. 
          WHAT IS MIXED USE OR MIX OF USES, RIGHT? THOSE HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, MEANINGS AND CONNOTATIONS AND HOW DOES THAT APPLY, UM, TO THIS AREA AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN REALLY SEE THAT IN THE BUILDING TYPOLOGY. 
          SO THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE, WHETHER IT WAS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THAT INITIAL GENERATION BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, 1970S, THEN WE HAVE OUR MORE STANDARD CORPORATE OFFICE, SMALLER SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE. 
          WE SEE SOME FLEX BUILDINGS OUT THERE, UM, HOTEL AND THEN COMMERCIAL USES. 
          SO THERE'S THIS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE EVOLUTION OF OFFICE, UM, OVER TIME, WHICH YOU SEE THERE. 
          UM, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THESE INDIVIDUAL HOTEL AND COMMERCIAL USES TOO. 
          SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT ALL THIS AS A WHOLE AND FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE TYPOLOGIES WANNA SEE MOVING FORWARD, UM, IN TERMS OF VACANCY, UM, OVERALL METRO CENTER OFFICE SPACE IS ONLY ABOUT 25% VACANT. 
          UM, THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY EQUATE TO PEOPLE BEING IN THE OFFICE. 
          SO THERE IS, RIGHT, THERE'S OCCUPANCY OF A BUILDING VERSUS PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE LEASING RATE IS HERE. 
          SO, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S HIGHER THAN I, I THINK MOST OF US MAYBE WOULD THINK. 
          UM, THERE, AND I DO HAVE ON THIS GRAPHIC, SO SHOWING YOU, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST, UM, SIX OR SEVEN YEARS, RIGHT BEFORE COVID, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, REPORTING TO METRO CENTER, WORKING THERE. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY COVID DECLINES, BUT WE'RE, WE ARE SEEING THAT COMING BACK. 
          SO AGAIN, IT, IT GOES TO THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT OF, RIGHT, THIS IS OUR SITUATION NOW, WHAT'S THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE? SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE PLAN AHEAD? UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A HUGE INCOME GENERATING AREA FOR US, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BOLSTERING, UM, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          AND, UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD THIS PUBLIC MEETING IN JANUARY, UM, WHICH YOU CAN SEE SORT OF THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS LOOKING AT AND THEY COULD PROVIDE RED OR GREEN TAGS, UM, ON THE IMAGES JUST TO GIVE THEIR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THEN WE HAD OUR, OUR PANEL DISCUSSION. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE IN TERMS OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO REALLY COME UP WITH THIS, A PLAN, UM, THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED, UM, AND, AND GO FROM THERE. 
          SO ONCE WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT COUNCIL, UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY COME BACK AND SHARE. 
          UM, AND I'M, AGAIN, I CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, BACKGROUND INFORMATION AS WELL. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW AND MR. WAY, UM, WAS A, YOU KNOW, NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT UM, 
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WAS PART OF THAT COUNCIL DISCUSSION AS WELL AND PART OF THE VISIONING, UM, AND WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, UM, OF COUNCIL IN 2022. 
          SO HE IS BEEN REPRESENTING SORT OF THAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAT, UM, IN PREVIOUS INITIATIVES, BUT ALSO THEN CONTINUING THAT IN THIS CURRENT INITIATIVE. 
          SO, SO MAYBE, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD TO, BUT, UM, OTHERWISE THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          NO, IT WAS, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD SESSION WITH COUNCIL. 
          UM, THEY WERE EXTREMELY PASSIONATE. 
          I MEAN, YOU COULD TELL THIS IS A, A, AN IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR THEM AND, AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF VERY DIVERSE IDEAS. 
          THANK YOU MS. RA. 
          THANK YOU MR. WAY. 
          UM, NOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS WILL BE GOING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND NOW WOULD WE SEE THIS REPORTED IN CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS LIKE WE DO FOR EVERY OTHER ACTION? WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP AS FAR AS VISIBILITY TO THIS BODY? YES. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE UPDATES. 
          SO OUR GOAL IS TO BE AT A COUNCIL WORK SESSION. 
          UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING AT A, THEIR MAY WORK SESSION, UM, WITHIN THOSE THREE SCENARIOS FOR THEM TO LOOK AT, UM, AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON. 
          AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY, UM, FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT TIMING IS TO SHARE BACK WITH THE COMMISSION, WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          THANK YOU, MS. RA. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? DO WE NEED ALL THOSE PARKING SPACES, ? DO WE NEED ALL THOSE PARKING SPACES? I DON'T, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT, BUT I, I, WELL, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT STARTED THIS HONESTLY, WHEN I WAS, I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST 20 YEARS, SO, UH, OVER 10 YEARS AGO THAT'S WHAT STARTED THIS WAS WE HAVE SO MUCH PARKING WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING SOMETHING WITH THIS PARKING. 
          SO IT REALLY WAS LIKE A PARKING AND COMPETITIVE OFFICE STUDY YEAH. 
          ON IT. 
          JUST, JUST OFF THE CUFF. 
          THAT'S A QUICK, LIKE, THAT'S A QUICK, QUICK QUESTION ON, UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE STANDARD MM-HMM. 
           THEN. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND WHAT IS THE STANDARD NOW ARE, 'CAUSE IT, IT SURE LOOKS WAY, WAY OVERDONE, IN WHICH CASE THE LAND TO TAKE IS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH. 
          IT, IT DOES MAKE FOR STAGING THE ST. 
          PATRICK'S DAY PARADE. 
          VERY EASY. 
          THAT'S SO TRUE. 
          I'VE WORKED THAT PARADE. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES. 
          ALSO THE CAR SHOWS. 
          THEY DO THE CAR SHOWS THERE SHOWS, SHOWS, THE CAR SHOWS THERE. 
          YES. 
          AND ON WEEKEND MORNINGS IT'S GREAT FOR DRIVER TRAINING. 
          OH, THERE WE GO. 
           FOUR KIDS LEARN TO DRIVE THERE. 
          MR. FISHMAN, I, I I, WHEN THAT WAS BUILT, THERE WAS A LOT OF PRESSURE FOR THE PARKING BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T BUILD A PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED. 
          BUT P AND Z ALSO GOT A LOT OF THAT GREEN SPACE, AND I HATE TO LOSE THAT GREEN SPACE THAT WAS, UH, THERE WAS SOME TIER SHED BY THE DEVELOPER AND BANNING AND PICKET AND THEY WERE STRESSED ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT, BUT I THINK WE CAN, I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU, OF COURSE WE CAN GET RID OF A LOT OF THAT PARKING AND TURN IT INTO GREEN SPACE OR USABLE SPACE. 
          UM, THAT SPACE HAS BEEN A, THAT METRO HAS BEEN WONDERFUL THROUGHOUT THE YEARS FOR CAR SHOWS, SCHOOL EVENTS, ALL KINDS OF STUFF BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. 
          AND COUNCIL WAS, UM, VERY, UM, INTERESTED IN HOW DO WE SORT OF MAINTAIN THAT OPEN FEEL, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, LIKE NOT A DUPLICATION OF BRIDGE STREET, LIKE THE VERY URBAN GRIDED. 
          MAYBE THERE WILL BE A GRIDDED STREET PATTERN, BUT IT'S MEANT TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE BREATHING ROOM AND REALLY, COUNCIL REALLY APPRECIATED AND WANTED TO SEE CARRIED FORWARD, THE GREEN SPACE GREENWAY CORRIDOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CREEK, YOU KNOW, RUNNING TO THE SOUTH. 
          SO HOW DOES THAT GET INCORPORATED? HOW DO WE USE IT? CAN WE REUSE THE STORM WATER OR INCORPORATE THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAT YOU CAN INTERACT WITH THAT? SO, I MEAN, THAT DEFINITELY WAS A GOAL OF COUNCIL AS PART OF THIS AND THEIR, THEIR CONVERSATION IN JANUARY. 
          I'M PROUD TO SAY I WAS IN ON THAT WATER AND GREEN SPACE  OKAY. 
          BACK THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, UH, IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL PARK FOR YEARS AND YEARS. 
          IT'S JUST OUTTA DATE NOW, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT DEVELOPED. 
          SO IT IS STILL SOMETHING SPECIAL. 
          IT'LL BE AMA AN AMAZING PARK WHEN WE STEAL HALF THOSE PARKING LOTS AND YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          CONVERT THEM AND PUT IN A FEW RESIDENTIAL TOWERS AND WELL, LO AND BEHOLD, ALL THE COMMERCIAL USES, THE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL USES, LIKE, COME, IT'LL BE LOVELY. 
          I THINK IT'S REALLY AN IMPORTANT PROJECT AND I THINK IT THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT IT CAREFULLY. 
          I I JUST WANNA EXPRESS THANKS TO PLANNING AND TO CITY COUNCIL, EVERYONE INVOLVED, INCLUDING OTHER STAKEHOLDERS FOR HIGHLIGHTING THOSE, UM, THE SAME THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THAT BODY ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS BODY. 
          AND SO WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          WE LOOKED AT PARKING, WE LOOKED AT OPEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT JUST JUMP OUT WE'RE USED TO SEEING. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR PAYING SUCH SPECIFIC ATTENTION. 
          OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? ANY OTHER COMMUNICATION ITEMS THIS EVENING, MS. ROUCH? WELL, I DEFINITELY WANTED TO RECOGNIZE MR. SCHNARE BECAUSE THIS IS HIS LAST MEETING AND, UM, FOUR YEARS. 
          AND I, WHEN I WAS LOOKING BACK AT THAT, UM, I MEAN, WE CAN MM-HMM, , YEAH. 
          UM, YOU STARTED DURING COVID AND YOUR FIRST MEETING WAS A VIRTUAL MEETING, SO LOOK HOW FAR WE'VE COME. 
          SO, BUT I MEAN, THAT WAS A REALLY TOUGH TIME TO JOIN THE COMMISSION AND, YOU KNOW, CREATE THAT COHESIVE GROUP AND 
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BE, BE PART OF THAT. 
          SO AGAIN, REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF YOU BEING ON THE BOARD AND SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS AND MAKING SURE WE'RE BEING IN LINE AND CATCHING ALL OUR GRAMMAR. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, SOMEBODY'S GONNA TAKE UP THAT MANTLE WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE GONE, SO. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          IT, IT, IT, THANK YOU FOR INDULGING, UH, ME FOR FOUR YEARS AND I LEARNED, I, I THOUGHT I KNEW A LOT, BUT IT'S AMAZING. 
          I'M SURE WE ALL FEEL THE SAME WAY. 
          HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW AND HOW MUCH KNOWLEDGE ONE GAINS, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          AND I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT, OBVIOUSLY FOR THE STAFF AND FOR ALL OF YOU. 
          AND IT IS TRUE AT FIRST, UM, IT TOOK A WHILE TO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE HAD LEGS BECAUSE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, VIRTUAL FOR ALL THAT TIME, . 
          UM, AND I AS PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, I, I WENT FROM MEREFIELD TO GRANDVIEW YARD WHILE WE WERE BUILDING THE HOUSE, AND I WOULD COUNT THEM LIKE, WHEN WILL COVID BE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WILL BE IN PERSON? AND THEN, THEN IT'S WHEN WILL I NOT HAVE TO DRIVE, YOU KNOW, AT 9 30, 10 O'CLOCK, YOU KNOW, BACK TO GRANDVIEW AND HERE WE ARE. 
          BUT RELATIVE TO, UM, PUNCTUATION, I HAVE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE MR. WAY. 
          I KNOW I I WAS CAUGHT BY MR. WAY AT ONE POINT, AND IF YOU WOULD READ THIS, PLEASE, OH MY GOSH, BY THE CITY OF DUBLIN, OHIO, SORRY. 
          PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION A PROCLAMATION, WHEREAS PROPER PUNCTUATION IS THE BEDROCK OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, WHEREAS A PUNCTUATION CUSTODIAN IS NECESSARY FOR THE FAIR AND EQUITABLE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          WHEREAS THE UNDERSIGNED POSSESSES NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER, , UM, NONE NONETHELESS, THEREFORE BE IT KNOWN THAT KIM WAY HAVING SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THE NECESSARY TRAINING AND APPRENTICESHIP IS, UH, HEREBY APPOINTED KEEPER OF THE COMMA . 
          SO, MR. SCHNEER, I HAVE TO SHARE SOMETHING WITH YOU. 
          WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, SO I'M GONNA SPOIL IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          WE ARE, WE ARE PRESENTING YOU WITH YOUR NAME PLATE HERE THIS EVENING. 
          UH, IN MY FORMER CITY, I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL AND I PLAYED THAT ROLE. 
          I WAS THE PUNCTUATION, THE GRAMMATICAL, THE, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AMBIGUOUS. 
          I PLAYED THAT ROLE AND ON OUR FINAL DAY, WE ALL GOT STREET SIGNS WITH OUR NAMES ON THEM AND OUR YEARS OF SERVICE. 
          AND SO THEY CALLED ME UP TO PRESENT MINE AND IT SAID CITY COUNCIL, SEL, WITH MY DATES, THE DATE I WAS ELECTED, AND THE, AND THE DATE THAT THE YEAR THAT CAME AFTER I FINISHED. 
          AND SO IT WAS TOO. 
          AND SO I'M TRYING TO BE GRACIOUS AND HAVE A SMILE AND, YOU KNOW, I'M TWITCHING IN THE BACKGROUND AND THEY FLIPPED IT AROUND AND IT WAS CORRECT ON THE OTHER SIDE, . 
          AND SO IT HANGS IN MY GARAGE RIGHT NOW. 
          IT, IT IS THERE PRESENTED. 
          SO THIS EVENING WE ARE SENDING YOU WITH YOUR NAME PLATES SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO HANG IN YOUR GARAGE AND REFLECT ON YOUR SERVICE HERE BECAUSE WE'VE CERTAINLY APPRECIATED HAVING YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          I I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE. 
          YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE YOU IN THE CITY AND AROUND THE CITY AND COME BACK AND HECKLE US. 
          UH, I'LL  YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, FOR THOSE WHO MAY HAVE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU MAY KNOW THE BACKSTORY AND I'LL BELABOR THIS AND THEN WE CAN ALL GO HOME. 
          BUT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE A RB PROCESS AND IT WAS INDEED CHALLENGING. 
          AND I MADE A COMMENT TO OUR ARCHITECT WHO MADE A COMMENT TO CHRIS, WHO SUMMONED ME TO HER OFFICE AND SAID, YOU CAN BE EITHER PART OF THE PROBLEM OR PART OF THE SOLUTION, AND SAID, I PREFER TO BE PART OF THE PROBLEM. 
          SHE SAID, NO, THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER, . 
          SO THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW I GOT HERE. 
          AND I, I, YOU SHOULD, YOU APPRECIATE THE ROLE OF BEING THE DECIDER WHEN YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE ASKING FOR SOMEBODY TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, FUTURE OF YOUR PROJECT. 
          SO APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SNEER. 
          JENNY, ANY TWO, YEAH, TWO OTHER JUST REMINDERS. 
          NEXT WEEK IS STATE OF THE CITY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S AT THE EXCHANGE AT SIX O'CLOCK. 
          SO, UM, EVERYONE'S WELCOME, UM, TO ATTEND THAT. 
          YOU SHOULD HAVE HOPEFULLY ALREADY RECEIVED AN INVITE FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN OUR NEXT MEETING IS NOT UNTIL APRIL 11TH. 
          SO, WELL, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MR. SCHNEER ESPECIALLY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. 
          AND MR. WE, YOU ARE NOW THE KEEPER OF THE COMMA AND THE KEEPER OF THE GAVEL,  AND JUST THE CON, RIGHT, I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR SEMICOLONS AND ALL EXCEPT  MEETING ADJOURNED.
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