[CALL TO ORDER ]
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ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD MEETING.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE, THIS MEETING IS BEING LIVE STREAMED SO YOU CAN ACCESS, UH, VIDEO OF THIS MEETING AND ANY OF OUR MEETINGS THROUGH THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
FOR ANYBODY WHO IS WATCHING THIS, THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD AT 5 5 5 5 TO DRIVE THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
UH, THE MEETING PROCEDURE, UH, FOR EACH CASE THIS EVENING WILL BEGIN WITH THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
IT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
THE BOARD WILL THEN ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
UM, WE'LL SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS CAN BE TAKEN BOTH FROM THE PODIUM OR IF WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE EMAILED US WITH SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL, UM, DELIBERATE ON, ON EACH CASE.
UM, IF YOU ARE MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE PODIUM, WE, UM, WE'D LIKE YOU TO INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.
UH, WE BEGIN ALL OF OUR MEETINGS WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
SO YOU'D, IF YOU WOULD RISE AND FACE THE FLAG, REPEAT AFTER ME.
JUDY, WE WOULD CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
AND MS. COOPER AND MR. JEWEL ARE EXCUSED.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR JANUARY 24TH MEETING? I, I HAVE ONE ADDENDUM TO THE MEETING MINUTES.SO IN THE FIRST PART THAT THERE IS, UM, IN THE, UH, I DIDN'T OPEN IT UP, BUT WHEN WE STARTED IN THE ROLL CALL, YOU HAD ME AS HERE LAST MONTH AND I WAS NOT.
SO IT'S MISS, I THINK IT, IT, IT HAD KOTTER FOR COOPER.
SO IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE ATTENDANCE.
I WILL MOVE TO ACCEPT THE MEETINGS AND THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD IT WITH THE ONE CHANGE MR. KOTTER PROPOSES.
THIS BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION AND MODIFICATIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO ANY SITE IN THE AREA SUBJECT TO ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING CODE SECTION 1 5 3 0.170.
THIS BOARD HAS THE DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITIES ON THESE CASES.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS US THIS EVENING, UH, MUST BE SWORN IN.
SO IF YOU THINK THAT YOU MAY SPEAK TO US THIS EVENING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING? OKAY, THANK YOU.
[Case #23-116ARB ]
OUR FIRST CASE IS ONE 19 SOUTH HIGH STREET.THIS IS A DEMOLITION, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR THE DEMOLITION OF AN EXISTING OUTBUILDING LOCATED WITHIN HISTORIC DUBLIN.
IT'S ON A 0.1 ACRE LOT AND IT'S ZONED HD HS HISTORIC SOUTH DISTRICT.
IT IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 95 FEET NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH HIGH STREET IN JOHN WRIGHT LANE.
AND MS. HOLT WILL BE OUR PRESENTER.
SO WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, SARAH.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN FOR THE INTRODUCTION.
UH, BY A WAY OF A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THIS IS THE THIRD HEARING ON THIS CASE.
IT WAS TABLED IN BOTH NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
AND AS ALSO AS A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING SINCE THIS PROJECT BEGAN, THE TERMINOLOGY FOR THE BUILDING CLASSIFICATIONS HAVE ALSO CHANGED.
SO THIS IS NOW A BACKGROUND BUILDING WHERE PREVIOUSLY IT WAS KNOWN AS A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING.
THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DEMOLITION REMAIN THE SAME.
SO THIS REQUEST IS IN THE HISTORIC SOUTH DISTRICT AND THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT OUTBUILDING IS ON MILL LANE BETWEEN PENNY HILL AND JOHN WRIGHT LANES.
IT'S AT THE REAR OF ONE 19 SOUTH HIGH STREET.
RESIDENTIAL IS DIRECTLY TO THE WEST, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP HERE.
THE CLOSER VIEW SHOWS THE STRUCTURE LOCATED IN THE PARKING LOT ADJACENT TO MILL LANE, IDENTIFIED WITH THE STAR.
IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THE BUILDING IS APPROXIMATELY 560 SQUARE
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FEET.IT'S AN L FORM, LIKELY CONSTRUCTED AT TWO DIFFERENT TIMES AND JOINED TOGETHER.
AND HERE IS AN ATLANTIS TREE LOCATION.
THAT'S PART OF A CONDITION OF APPROVAL LATER ON.
THAT'S WHY I AM POINTING IT OUT.
NOW, YOU'LL RECOGNIZE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON THE SITE.
THIS IS THE PAULA HOUSE AND ALSO THE CARRIAGE STEP WITH THE OWNER'S NAME INSCRIBED.
THIS IS ALONG, UM, HIGH STREET.
THESE ARE THE PHOTOS OF THE STRUCTURE IN QUESTION.
AND THE LARGER PORTION OF THE BUILDING IS LIKELY A CHICKEN COOP.
THE SMALLER L MAY BE A WELL HOUSE FOR CONTINUITY.
WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE REFERRING TO THEM THAT WAY SINCE THAT'S HOW WE'VE DONE IT THROUGHOUT.
UH, THESE ARE SOME UPDATED PHOTOS TAKEN ON THE 16TH SINCE THE LAST HEARING AND MORE DETERIORATION HAS OCCURRED, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE CHICKEN COOP BUILDING.
THESE INTERIOR PHOTOS WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT IN DECEMBER.
YOU HAVE A FULL SET OF PHOTOS IN YOUR PACKET.
THESE REPRESENT THE MOST DETERIORATED CONDITIONS.
AND, UM, JUST TO ASSURE THE APPLICANT ALL SUBMITTED INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO YOU IN THE PACKET, INCLUDING THE COST ESTIMATES, SOME RESEARCH THAT SHE FOUND, AND, UM, SOME OTHER DOCUMENTING EVIDENCE.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO GRASP THE AREA POST DEMOLITION.
AS NOTED ON THE AERIAL, IT IS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AND THIS ACTUALLY REQUIRES SOME SCREENING.
UH, THE LOWER PHOTO SHOWS THE VIEW FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE LOOKING ACROSS MILL LANE.
THE CODE HAS SPECIFIC PARKING LOT SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.
SO A RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL ADDRESSES THE TIMING IN THE APPROACH FOR THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND THE SCREENING WOULD ONLY BE REQUIRED FOR THE LOCATION OF THIS STRUCTURE, NOT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
ANOTHER TOPIC OF A RECOMMENDED CONDITION IS THE, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE WELL HOUSE.
AND THAT IS BASED ON INFORMATION FOUND ON THE 1976 OH HI FORM INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
AND THE CONDITION SAYS THAT IF A WELL IS FOUND IN THE SUS IN THAT SUSPECTED WELL HOUSE PORTION, UM, THAT SHOULD BE HONORED WITH THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND WE'RE JUST TALKING SOMETHING AT GRADE.
AND ALSO WE MUST ADDRESS SAFETY CONDITIONS, MAKING SURE IF THERE'S A, A HOLE IN THE GROUND, WE GOTTA FILL THAT IN.
SO THESE ARE THE DEMOLITION CRITERIA FOR BACKGROUND STRUCTURES.
IT'S, UH, PER THE CODE REFERENCE NOTED THERE, AND THE, THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR ONE OF THE THREE TO BE MET.
AND STAFF HAS FOUND THAT CRITERION TWO HAS BEEN MET IN THIS CASE, THAT THE STRUCTURE HAS NO ARCHITECTURAL, HISTORIC OR ARCHEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH TWO CONDITIONS.
THE FIRST IS PERTAINING TO THE NEED FOR A SCALED LANDSCAPE PLAN TO ENSURE THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFERING.
THIS IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEMOLITION PERMIT.
AND THE SECOND IS APPLICABLE ONLY IF REMNANTS OF A WELL ARE FOUND.
AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS.
JUST ONE FROM WHEN YOU SAY LANDSCAPING A GR WHAT DO YOU, I MEAN, WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND.
WHEN YOU SAY IF THEY FIND A WELL, THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE PLANNING REPORT.
WHAT DOES IT, SO THE FIRST AND FOREMOST IS SECURING IT FOR SAFETY REASONS.
AND IF THERE IS A WELL THERE, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO COMMEMORATE THAT IN AN AT GRADE CIRCLE OF STONES.
COULD BE SOMETHING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY, THAT THIS WAS A HISTORIC WELL, EXACTLY.
SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY, IT'S NOT A PLAQUE OR SOMETHING NOT COMMEMORATING LIKE THIS.
WE'RE JUST REALLY JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE KNOW THERE'S A WELL THERE AND IT WAS A STORE.
JUST SO WE HAVE A BIT OF A RECORD FOR IT.
UM, AND I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE FIRST JUST MORE INFORMATION.
I ESPECIALLY, I NOTICED THE STEEL EDGING.
I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THAT, OR IT PROBABLY ISN'T THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN IT.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE NOTICED IT.
IT'S BIGGER ON YOUR SCREEN THAN IT IS IN MY LITTLE IPAD.
UM, SO WHAT IS THIS LANDSCAPING GONNA LOOK LIKE? UM, IT'S
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LITERALLY EDGING AROUND THE AREA.AND THE REASON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IN THIS CASE IS THAT THAT PARKING LOT IS NOT PAVED.
THE STEEL EDGING KEEPS THE GRASS WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, KEEPS THE GRAVEL WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, AND MULCH AND KEEPS THIS AS A MAINTAINED LANDSCAPED AREA.
AND THE SCREENING CRITERIA WOULD BE THINGS LIKE ARVID, EVERGREEN PLANTS, SHRUBS THAT CREATE A YEAR ROUND BUFFER FOR THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST.
AND THIS WOULD ONLY BE IN THE AREA WHERE THE SHED, THE, THE OUTBUILDING IS RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO BRING THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT INTO COMPLIANCE.
IT IS ONLY FOR THE AREA WHERE THE SHED WOULD BE REMOVED SHOULD YOU VOTE IN THAT DIRECTION.
SORRY, MARY JUST IS, WILL HAVE TO BE A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
SO A LANDSCAPING PLAN WILL COME TO YOU OR FOR YOUR ADMIN.
YOU'LL APPROVE THAT ONCE IT COMES.
SO YOU'LL LOOK AT THE THAT'S RIGHT.
SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE THE BOARD.
AFTER THAT, UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS NANCY DAVIS AND I AM THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR ONE 19 SOUTH HIGH STREET.
OUR BUSINESS LOCATION IS AT 1480 DUBLIN ROAD IN COLUMBUS, OHIO.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE BOARD HEARING, UH, AGAIN, OUR CASE AND ALLOWING US TO, UM, TIME TO DO A LITTLE FURTHER RESEARCH IN, UM, THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE OUTBUILDING, UH, THAT WE ARE REQUESTING FOR DEMOLITION.
UM, I RECEIVED THE MOST RECENT REPORT FROM THE CITY OF DUBLIN ON MONDAY MORNING.
UM, ACTUALLY I THINK IT WAS TUESDAY MORNING.
UH, SO IT GAVE ME A CHANCE TO, UM, KIND OF, UM, I GUESS DIGEST WHAT I READ.
UM, IT, THE, THE REPORT KIND OF COMES ACROSS AS WE'RE NEGLIGENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND SO I, I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO DEFEND THAT POSITION.
UM, WE'RE NOT THE HOUSE, THE PAULA HOUSE IS A BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE AS EVIDENCED BY PICTURES AS EVIDENCED BY THE CITY OF DUBLIN, USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE IN ONE OF THEIR MARKETING.
UM, WHAT I FOUND ONLINE WITH SOME SORT OF A MEDIA THAT, YOU KNOW, AS AN EXAMPLE OF AN A VERNACULAR HOME, UM, WE'RE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE THAT STRUCTURE.
IT'S BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR YEARS.
WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT COMMERCIAL RESIDENT THERE.
AND WHEN WE WERE HERE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD IN NOVEMBER, UH, I DID HAVE OUR COMMERCIAL TENANT IN, IN, YOU KNOW, WITH ME.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, HER DESIRE WAS THAT SHE WANTS TO GROW AND IN ORDER TO GROW SHE NEEDED SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE TO PARK AND SO FORTH.
UM, I MEAN THE HISTORY OF THIS GOES BACK FURTHER THAN THAT.
UM, BUT I, I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE OF THE, THE HOME.
UM, WE'RE HERE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH A SHED THAT HAS DETERIORATED, UM, OR AN OUTBUILDING THAT HAS DETERIORATED.
UH, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME REFERENCE TO THE 1976 OHIO HISTORIC INVENTORY, UM, WHERE WE DETERMINED WE, BEING THE CITY OF DUBLIN, DETERMINED THAT THE BEST USE WAS PROBABLY A CHICKEN COOP, UM, OR SOME SORT OF ANIMAL STRUCTURE.
UH, I, I'M NOT, I BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE BASED UPON WHAT WE CAN SEE INSIDE.
THERE'S WINDOWS WHERE MAYBE A HORSE OR SOME HEAD MIGHT HAVE BEEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DETERMINE THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY ANIMALS IN PART OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, WHERE I HAVE A LITTLE ISSUE IS WITH CALLING THE L SHAPE OF THE SHED AS A WELLHOUSE.
UM, I DID SOME SIGNIFICANT RESEARCH AND SOME MEMORY JOG WHEN, UM, THE FAMILY OWNED BOTH ONE 19 AND 1 23 SOUTH HIGH STREET AND THE EASEMENT THAT I PROVIDED IN THE PACKET THAT IS NOT PART OF THE VISUAL TONIGHT.
UM, THERE WAS A UTILITY EASEMENT IN 2011 WHEN THE TO BARON FAMILY SOLD 1 23, UM, SOUTH HIGH STREET TO UH, PAT BAKER.
UH, THEY SHARED THE SAME WATERLINE BECAUSE THE WELL WAS LOCATED IN THAT LOCATION.
UM, THERE THERE'S A SURVEY THAT ALSO SHOWS THE WELL WAS LOCATED BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES OR THE TWO HOMES, UM, OR THE STRUCTURES.
THEY WERE ALL KIND OF ONE, UM, SHARED USE BY
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THE FAMILY, BOTH ONE 19 AND 1 23.UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION ON THE SURVEY AS TO WHERE THE SHE, WHERE THE WELL IS LOCATED.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE JUST BEHIND THE, THE HOME AT ONE 19 IN THE YARD SOUTH OF ONE 19.
IF THERE IS A WELL IN THIS LOCATION, THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD A SECOND.
NORMALLY YOU, I BELIEVE IN HISTORICALLY YOU, YOU DIG A WELL, YOU DRILL IT TYPICALLY YOU BUILD YOUR HOUSE CLOSE TO THAT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UM, EXTEND, I DON'T KNOW, WALKING OUT TO THE WELL, UH, BY 50 FEET OR SO.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO SOME MENTION TO THE CITY, UM, IN, IN THE AUDITOR'S DRAWING THAT, UM, ON THIS HISTORIC REVIEW FROM 1976, UM, THERE'S THESE TWO NOW FRAMED IN AREAS AT THE HOUSE THAT COULD HAVE VERY WELL BEEN MAYBE THE, WELL, UM, BASICALLY THEY WERE NOT DURING THIS 1976 REPORT, THEY WERE, UM, THEY WERE CONSIDERED, UM, TWO FRAME ADDITIONS ON THE REAR.
UM, AND IN THE REPORT FROM SET, THAT'S THE, THE 2003 UPDATED THE, UM, 1976 REPORT, UH, KIND OF NECESSARILY SAID THAT THEY WERE, UM, THEY WEREN'T ENCLOSED AT THAT TIME.
THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE FRAMED IN STRUCTURE.
SO IT WAS KIND OF BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION FROM SOME HISTORIANS THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS AT THE HOUSE WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE, WELL, UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE LOCATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS WHERE THE BATHROOM IS NOW LOCATED.
YOU, YOU DO KNOW THAT THE GROUNDS FOR POTENTIALLY APPROVING THIS THAT THE STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED IS THAT IT HAS NO HISTORIC VALUE.
SO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW IS REALLY MOOT.
UM, ESSENTIALLY THOSE ARE THE GROUNDS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH OUR CONSULTANTS WHO'VE SAID IT IS A WELLHOUSE OR NOT.
THE, ESSENTIALLY THE GROUNDS ARE SUPPORTING YOUR CASE.
SO YOU DON'T NEED TO GO ANY FURTHER ON THAT.
SO THEN THE SECOND, THE, THE, UH, THE SECOND POINT I WANTED TO MAKE ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.
I THINK WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO SORT OF DISCUSS THINGS WHERE THEY ARE NOW.
WE DON'T WANT TO GO, NEED TO GO BACK AND DISCUSS MAINTENANCE OR LACK OF MAINTENANCE OR WHATEVER.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHERE THE SITUATION IS NOW.
NOW DO YOU REALIZE IF YOU EVER DO WANNA PARK ON THAT LOT, YOU WILL NEED TO COME BACK TO US.
UM, AND THERE'LL NEED TO BE AN ANALYSIS, THERE'LL NEED TO BE DRAWINGS PREPARED, UM, 'CAUSE THERE ARE ZONING ISSUES REGARDING THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
AND SO THERE'LL BE ISSUES WITH COMPLIANCE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS EASY AS JUST KNOCKING THIS DOWN AND PUTTING A FEW TREES AND PUTTING A SPACE THERE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT? ABSOLUTELY, YES.
AND WE HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT.
WE HAVE NO ISSUES WITH LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BY THE CITY SHOULD PERMISSION, UH, BE GRANTED TO DEMOLISH THIS OUTBUILDING WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH.
UM, AND, AND CERTAINLY WOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, HONORING THE, WELL IF IN FACT IT'S LOCATED THERE.
BUT I I, I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH TO TRY TO FIND WHERE THIS WELL MIGHT HAVE BEEN LOCATED AND, AND I GUESS MY THOUGHT WAS THAT ONE OF THE CRITERIA WAS PROVING IF THERE'S HIS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE WITH THIS STRUCTURE.
AND I, I GUESS MY DISCUSSION EARLIER IS, IS TRYING TO SAY THAT MAYBE NOT AS FAR AS A WELL GOES WELL THE CODE CHANGED SINCE ALL THIS STARTED.
SO IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER IF WE DISAGREE ON THIS BECAUSE THE GROUNDS THAT THE STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT USE TO SUPPORT THIS ARE THAT IT'S NOT HISTORIC.
SO IIII DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO GO ANY FURTHER ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT SAY INITIALLY? UM, WELL, NO, I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE ESTIMATES.
UNFORTUNATELY, MY CONTRACTOR, UH, WAS PREPARED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, HE'S NOT, HE GOT STUCK IN MICHIGAN, SO, UM, I, IF YOU, I CAN CERTAINLY, I, I MEAN THERE'S A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THESE, ON THESE ESTIMATES THAN OUR LAST HEARING BACK IN DECEMBER, SO I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS THEM.
NO, I THINK YOU, YOU PROVIDED WHAT WE REQUESTED AND IT WAS ITEMIZED TO THE EXTENT THAT WE REQUESTED AND SO WE COULD SEE WHERE THE DOLLARS WERE ALLOCATED.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
ANY, UM, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, IS ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS? HAVE WE HAD ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS SUBMITTED ELECTRONICALLY? NO, WE HAVE NOT.
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OKAY.SO, BOARD MEMBERS, HOW DO YOU FEEL? I MEAN, FOR ME, I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM THE, THE REPORT, THE BOCA REPORT AND ALL THIS, I MEAN, IT, I THINK FROM THE STAFF REPORT, IT'S CLEAR, I THINK IT DOESN'T HAVE A HISTORICAL SIG WE DON'T, IT'S NOT FORESEEN, IT DOESN'T SEEM AS IF IT HAS A HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IN THAT, FOR ME, IT MEETS THE, I WOULD SAY IT MEETS THE LETTER OF THE CODE.
I THINK, UH, WE WOULD SAY THE INTENT WOULD BE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT I THINK WHERE WE ARE TODAY, I, I AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE LETTER OF THE CODE IS MET BY WHAT WE SEE FROM THE, FROM THE STAFF REPORT PLUS THE, PLUS THE CONSULTANT REPORT IS HOW I SEE IT.
IT'S, I THINK, AND, AND SEEING THE ITEMIZED, UM, INVO OR ESTIMATES FOR THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE REPAIR MAKES IT VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE.
AND IT'S JUST, IF IT IS NOT IDENTIFIED AS HAVING HISTORICAL, UM, SIGNIFICANCE, THEN IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S CLEARLY NOT WORTH IT AND IT'S JUST GONNA TO KEEP DETERIORATING.
I I, I THINK IT, I, IN AGREEMENT WITH THE TWO OF YOU, I THINK IT MEETS OUR CRITERIA AND SO WHILE I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK IT COULD ACTUALLY BE TURNED IN A REVENUE GENERATOR, AND I THINK IF YOU LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY IN A DIFFERENT WAY, UM, IT HAS REAL VALUE, BUT, UM, IT MEETS THE CRITERIA.
AND YOU'VE SAID YOU, UM, YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONDITIONS AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, CORRECT? YES.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MOVING FORWARD IF, UH, WE ARE, UH, PROVIDED, UH, PERMISSION TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE THAT I WOULD WORK WITH, NOT SARAH'S OFFICE, I DON'T THINK, BUT THE CITY OF DUBLIN AND MY CONTRACTOR WOULD DO A MAJORITY OF THIS WHO'S A LOT MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN AT THIS PROCESS.
BUT WE WOULD ALSO COME UP WITH ARCHITECTURAL PLANS FROM A LANDSCAPE ARCH ARCHITECT TO BUFFER, UM, WHICH I DON'T HAVE DETAIL OF THAT, BUT CERTAINLY AN, UH, AN ARCHITECT, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WOULD PROVIDE THAT.
AND, AND THE DEMOLITION PERMIT WILL BE CONDITIONAL, SO THAT WILL, WILL NEED TO BE SUBMITTED QUICKLY WHEN YOU APPLY FOR THE DEMOLITION PERMIT.
SO BEFORE ANY DEMOLITION CAN BE UNDERTAKEN, THAT'LL NEED TO BE PREPARED, SUBMITTED, AND APPROVED.
IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED TO SEE THAT IT MEETS, MEETS THE GUIDELINES.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT IS THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION? SURE.
JUDY, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? YES.
[Case #23-128ARB-MPR ]
ALL RIGHT.OUR SECOND CASE THIS EVENING IS 83 SOUTH RIVERVIEW.
THIS IS A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.
IT'S REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED PROPOSAL FOR MODIFICATION TO A GARAGE AND DRIVEWAY AT AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOME LOCATED IN THE DISTRICT.
THE 0.26 ACRE SITE IS ZONED HDHR HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 70 FEET NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET AND PENNY HILL LANE.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW FOR EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS AT A GARAGE AT A HISTORIC PROPERTY.
SO THE 0.26 ACRE SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED HISTORIC DISTRICT HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL.
THE SITE HAS FRONTAGE ON BOTH SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET AND SOUTH BLACKSMITH LANE AND IS LOCATED TO THE EAST OF THE SCIOTO RIVER.
SO THIS IS A CLOSEUP AERIAL OF THE SITE.
THERE ARE TWO OUTBUILDINGS LOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE MAIN HOME ALONG SOUTH BLACKSMITH LANE.
ONE IS A SHED AND HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE IS THE CONCRETE BLOCK GARAGE, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS APPLICATION.
PLEASE ALSO NOTE THE EXISTING CURB CUT ALONG SOUTH BLACKSMITH LANE AND THE EXISTING GRAVEL DRIVEWAY IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.
SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN THE APPLICATION.
UM, HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE IS THE CONCRETE BLOCK GARAGE AGAIN AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO POUR A CONCRETE FOUNDATION INSIDE THE GARAGE ALONG WITH POURING A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY WITHIN THE AREA HIGHLIGHTING GREEN, WHICH IS, UH, 17 FEET BY 20 FEET.
THIS WILL REPLACE THE CURRENT LOOSE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.
HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW IS THE EXISTING CURB CUT THAT WILL CONNECT THE DRIVEWAY TO SOUTH BLACK SMITH LANE.
AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO POUR CONCRETE TO CONNECT THESE.
THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY MEETS ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR MATERIALS AND DIMENSIONS.
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THE CURRENT EXISTING CONDITIONS AT THE SITE AND THIS IS THE GARAGE.UM, ON THE LEFT IS THE WEST FACADE OF THE STRUCTURE WHICH FACES SOUTH BLACKSMITH LANE AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE EAST ELEVATION, THE GARAGE.
UH, PLEASE NOTE THE GARAGE HAS A METAL WINDOW FRAMES AND THE EAST ELEVATION FEATURES A PAINTED METAL DOOR.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO USE AN UNFINISHED TONGUE, PINE TONGUE AND GROOVE WALL PLANK TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD PLANKS ON THE FRONT AND REAR GABLES OF THE GARAGE TO BE PAINTED WITH THE BEAR MARQUEE PAINT IN ANTIQUE WHITE.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT THIS WILL MATCH IDENTICALLY TO THE EXISTING SIDING AND COLOR OF THE GARAGE.
AND THE GARAGE DOOR IS PROPOSED TO BE A CO-LO PAY GALLERY COLLECTION, INSULATED STEEL GARAGE DOOR IN THE COLOR SAND TONE AND WILL FEATURE WOOD GRAIN DETAILING.
SO ALL OF THE WAIVER REVIEW CRITERIA ARE EITHER MET OR NOT APPLICABLE AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO USE A CLOPAY GALLERY COLLECTION, TRIPLE LAYERED STEEL GARAGE DOOR, WHICH WILL BE A PAINTED STEEL GARAGE DOOR.
STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PAINTED STEEL GARAGE DOOR BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING PAINTED METAL STEEL REAR DOOR AND THE METAL WINDOWS EXISTING AT THE SITE.
IT'S APPROPRIATE IN THAT CONTEXT AND STAFF IS ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF THE WAIVER DUE TO THE STRUCTURAL CONCERNS AND A STRAIN, A HEAVIER DOOR WOULD PUT ON THE GARAGE DOOR MECHANISM IN THE GARAGE ITSELF.
SO THESE ARE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW CRITERIA AS I'LL SIT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT CODE.
ALL CRITERIA ARE EITHER MET, MET WITH WAIVER OR NOT APPLICABLE.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE GARAGE DOOR WAIVER AND APPROVAL OF THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW WITH NO CONDITIONS.
AND WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS IN ANY WAY THAT THERE OKAY.
JEFFREY HAM, 83 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET.
UM, JUST TO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS, UH, CONSIDERING THIS PROJECT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, MAKE THIS, UH, NOT REALLY FUNCTIONAL AND KIND OF DILAPIDATED BUILDING MORE FUNCTIONAL.
UM, AND SO THAT'S THE, THE GOAL OF EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE HERE.
UH, THE UH, UH, JANE HAD MADE ME AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, STEEL ISN'T NECESSARILY THE PREFERRED UH, MATERIAL, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PROBABLY THE, THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA WORK ON THIS BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE, UH, THE RAFTER TIES, UM, ARE THE SUPPORT MECHANISM IS IT DOESN'T HAVE TRUST THIS, IT HAS KIND OF AN OLD, UM, CONSTRUCTION WITH RAFTERS AND RAFTER TIES THAT ARE SPACED EVERY FOUR FEET.
AND THE, UH, COMPOSITE GARAGE DOORS WEIGH ABOUT ALMOST TWICE WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, STEEL DOOR WEIGHS.
SO, UH, IT'S REALLY ALL SUPPORTED ON ONE, UH, RAFTER TIE BASICALLY, WHICH IS LIKE A ONE BY EIGHT.
SO CURRENTLY HAS A, A DOOR THAT'S ABOUT 150 TO 200 POUNDS, WHICH IS WHAT A STEEL DOOR WEIGHS.
UH, THE COMPOSITE DOORS ARE CLOSER TO ABOUT 400 POUNDS.
AND SO I THOUGHT THAT COULD BE A CONCERN AND, UM, THAT, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT TO SAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HANH? NONE FOR ME.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING THIS? IS THERE ANY, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, THERE ISN'T.
BOARD MEMBERS, I MEAN, CONTE I THINK MR. JOHN SAID IS TRUE CONTEXTUALLY IT FITS ON THERE AND I THINK FROM A EXISTING CONDITION, UH, IT MAKE, IT MAKES SENSE AND I, I, IF I LOOK AT THE DOOR AND I LOOKED IT ONLINE, I THINK THE DOOR LOOKS FINE FROM, FROM THE CONTEXTUAL STANDPOINT, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE ON, ON, UH, FROM THAT PARTICULAR STANDPOINT.
I, I WOULD PREFER THAT THE GARAGE STAY IN THE ROOF CONTINUING ITS EXISTENCE RATHER THAN PUT ON A MORE ACCURATE DOOR.
YEAH, I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH YEAH, THE, UM, THE APPLICATION.
SO, UM, DOES SOMEONE WANT, WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE? YEAH, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE, UH, THE, UM, MINOR PROJECT REVIEW AT 83 SOUTH RIVERVIEW WITH, UH, WITH THE, THE, THERE'S NO CON IS THERE A CONDITION ON THAT? THERE WAS NO CONDITIONS.
DO WE, OH, WE JUST, WE'RE JUST APPROVING A WAIVER.
THE WAIVERS ARE, WOULD WE NEED TO APPROVE THE WAIVER? SILENT WAIVER FIRST PLEASE.
SO THEN I WOULD, UH, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, I, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE THE WAIVER FOR THE, UH, FOR THE VARIANCE ON THE GARAGE DOOR OR WAIVER ON THE GARAGE DOOR.
AND NOW I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINOR PROJECT WITH NO CONDITIONS.
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SECOND, MR. KOTTER? YES.[Case #23-136ARB & Case #23-135ARB-CP ]
CASE NUMBER THREE THIS EVENING.THIS IS 1622 NORTH HIGH STREET.
THIS IS A DEMOLITION AND CASE 1622 NORTH HIGH STREET CONCEPT PLAN.
SO IT'S DEMOLITION AND THE CONCEPT PLAN WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
UM, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF DEMOLITION OF TWO BACKGROUND STRUCTURES AND AN EXISTING SITE AND REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL OF A TWO STORY MIXED USE BUILDING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE 0.26 ACRE SITE IS OWNED HDHC HISTORIC CORE DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 65 FEET NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH HIGH STREET AND EAST BRIDGE STREET.
SO RODDY, WHENEVER, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS.
THE FIRST REQUEST IS FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF DEMOTION OF TWO BACKGROUND STRUCTURES.
AND SECOND REQUEST IS FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A CONCEPT PLAN AT 1622 NORTH HIGH STREET.
THE 0.26 SITE ACRE IS LOCATED NORTHEAST AT THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH HIGH STREET AND THE EAST STREET.
THE SITE IS ZONED HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC CORE AND HAS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN YELLOW ALONG THE NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC CORE AND ALONG THE EAST SIDE HAS HISTORIC DISTRICT HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS ACROSS NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE.
THERE HAVE BEEN MANY MINOR PROJECT REVIEW APPLICATIONS IN THE PAST FOR SITE AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
SENIOR HERE IS THE MOST RECENT CASE HISTORY BOARD PROVIDED NON-BINDING FEEDBACK ON THE INFORMAL APPLICATION.
THE BOARD EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE MASSING CITING AND MATERIALS AND THE COMPLEXITY OF THE MATERIALS.
THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH THE STAFF TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS, DETAILS OF WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
ADDITIONALLY, APPLICANT PROVIDED AMASSING STUDIES AS INITIAL SUBMISSION, WHICH IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PACKET HERE ON THE SCREEN.
WE CAN SEE EXISTING BUILDINGS AROUND THE PROPERTY.
AGAIN, THE SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN ALO BUILDINGS ONE, TWO, AND THREE ARE LOCATED ACROSS THE SITE, WHICH WERE BUILT DURING THE YEAR 2007.
THE BUILDINGS FOUR AND FIVE ARE ADJACENT TO 1620 NORTH HIGH, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, WHICH ARE SHOWN IN THE PHOTOS FOUR AND FIVE.
THIS IS THE CLOSER LOOK OF BOTH THE BUILDINGS.
BOTH THE BUILDINGS ARE INDIVIDUALLY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTRAR OF HISTORIC PLACES.
16 NORTH WAS BUILT AROUND 1843 AND 22 NORTH HIGH STREET WAS BUILT AROUND 1,916 NORTH, WHICH IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH A RECTANGLE FOOTPRINT AND A TWO STORY CORE.
THERE ARE TWO GALE BUILD WALL DORMS IN THE FACADE AND THE BUILDING USES LIMESTONE AND STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
CURRENTLY THIS PROPERTY IS WAKENED 22 NORTH HIGH STREET WAS BUILT AS A DOCTOR'S OFFICE AND CURRENTLY THE USE IS COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS A QUEEN AND STYLE BUILDING AND IT ALSO HAS A RECTANGLE FOOTPRINT ALONG WITH A HIP CORE ROOF.
THE BUILDING HAS BOTH SIDING AND A METAL ROOF AND A VERY INTRICATE BRINDLE WORK ON THE PORCH.
BOTH 16 NORTH HIGH STREET AND 22 NORTH HIGH STREET HAVE VERY DISTINCT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES.
FORMS AND MATERIALS SEE NOW ARE SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THE FIRST PHOTO IS THE REAR OF 16 NORTH HIGH STREET.
APPLICANT IS PROVIDING NO MODIFICATIONS ON THIS FACADE.
THE SECOND PHOTO SHOWS THE DIRT FLOOR SHED, WHICH IS AT THE REAR OF 22 NORTH HIGH.
THE SHED IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE AND BASED ON THE HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL ASSESSMENT, IT CAN BE IDENTIFIED AS A BACKGROUND ADDITION.
THE THIRD PHOTO IS OF AN UNUSABLE PARKING STRUCTURE, WHICH FACES NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE.
AND LASTLY, THE FOURTH PHOTO IS TAKEN TOWARDS BLACKSMITH LANE AND SHOWS THE GREAT CHANGE, THE EXHAUSTING TOPOGRAPHY AS WELL AS THE ROOF OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE.
THE SITE AGAIN HERE IT IS HIGHLIGHTED AT THE DOTTED LINE AND ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WE CAN SEE THE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS, WHICH IS 22 NORTH AND 16 NORTH.
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT GREAT CHANGE FROM WEST TO THE EAST AND THERE'S A MATURE, MATURE TREES AT THE REAR OF THE SITE.
A TREE SERVER WILL BE REQUIRED AT THE TIME OF FTP.
WE CAN ALSO SEE AN EXISTING ASPHALT DRIVE WHICH CONNECTS NORTH HIGH STREET TO BLACKSMITH LANE AND THERE IS SOME ASPHALT AND CENTER OF THE SITE AS WELL.
THE FIRST PART OF APPLICATION IS A REQUEST TO DEMOLISH THE UNUSED BACKGROUND STRUCTURES,
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WHICH ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN BLUE, THE DIRT FLOOR SHED AND THE UNUSABLE GARAGE.THE PICTURES OF BOTH ARE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
STAFF SUPPORTS THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION AS NEITHER STRUCTURE CONTAINS ARCHITECTURAL HISTORICAL OR ARCHEOLOGICAL FEATURE AND IS IMPORTANT CONDITION.
REMOVING THESE STRUCTURES WILL IMPROVE THE OVERALL QUALITY OF HISTORIC DISTRICT.
MOVING TO THE SECOND REQUEST, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.
THE CONCEPT PLAN LARGELY REMAINS THE SAME AS AT THE INFORMAL REVIEW.
THE APPLICANT IS NOW PROPOSING A RESTAURANT AND AN OFFICE SPACE, WHICH IS SPREAD OVER TWO INDIVIDUAL FLOORS AND A LIVE WORK UNIT AT A LOWER LEVEL.
THE COURT PERMITS MULTIPLE PRIMARY USERS WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND THE PROPOSED MIXED USE ALIGNS WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AS WELL.
EACH FLOOR IS DEVOTED TO A PARTICULAR USE WITH THE GROUND FLOOR IS A RESTAURANT AND THE FIRST FLOOR IS AN OFFICE SPACE AND BOTH FLOORS ARE APPROXIMATELY 2000 SQUARE FEET.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO USING THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SIDE AND PROPOSES THE APARTMENT AT THE LOWEST LEVEL, WHICH FACES THE NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE.
THE PROPOSED RECTANGULAR BUILDING HAS A FRONTAGE TOWARDS NORTH HIGH STREET AS WELL AS TOWARDS BLACKSMITH LANE.
IN ADDITION TO THIS, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A LANDSCAPE POCKET PARK, WHICH CAN BE SEEN HERE IN GREEN BETWEEN 22 NORTH AND 16 NORTH TO ACT AS A PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR FROM NORTH HIGH STREET.
THE DESIGN MEETS ALL THE SETBACKS WITH A LOT COVERAGE OF A APPROXIMATELY 80% WHERE A MAX OF 85% IS PERMITTED.
HERE WE SHOW THE SITE ACCESSIBILITY.
THE PROPOSED SITE HAS NUMEROUS ACCESS POINTS.
THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IS PROPOSED USING THE ACCESSIBLE POCKET PARK, WHICH WOULD CONNECT NORTH HIGH STREET TO THE BUILDING.
THIS WILL ESTABLISH THE PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR STAFF.
RECOMMENDS ESTABLISHING ANOTHER PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION FROM THE POCKET PLAZA TO THE REAR OF THE SIDE, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN RED.
CURRENTLY CITY IS CONDUCTING A TRAFFIC STUDY WHICH WOULD ESTABLISH THE CHARACTER OF BLACKSMITH LANE AND THE PROPERTIES NEARBY.
HOWEVER, BASED ON THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND THE ACCESS POINT ALONG THE BLACKSMITH LANE, STAFF FORCES THIS CORRECTOR OF THE BLACKSMITH LANE AS A VERY PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY CORRIDOR.
THE RECOMMENDED CONNECTION WILL HELP ESTABLISH A HUMAN-CENTRIC DESIGN.
THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE APARTMENT IS FROM NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE AND THE REGULAR ACCESS TO BOTH THE PROPOSED PARKING AS WELL AS TO THE TWO CAR GARAGE IS VIA NOT BLACKSMITH LANE.
THE PARKING CALCULATIONS IS HERE SHOWN ON THE RIGHT.
IT IS DETERMINED BY THE USES AND BASED ON THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED USES, A TOTAL OF 30 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED.
APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A TOTAL OF EIGHT PARKING SPACES, THREE OF WHICH ARE AT THE REAR OF 16 NORTH.
TWO ARE AT THE REAR OF 22 NORTH AND THREE ARE PROPOSED AS ON STREET PARKING.
APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO USE THE PARKING GARAGE AT NORTH HIGH STREET TO COMPLY WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THIS CALCULATION IS BASED ON 16 NORTH AS AN OFFICE USE.
SHOULD THIS USE CHANGE IN THE FUTURE SINCE THE PROPERTY IS VACANT, THIS INFORMATION SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PDP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PARKING PLAN.
THE PROPOSED PARKING AT THE REAR OF 22 NORTH HIGH STREET IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PARKING TO THE BOUNDARY AS WELL AS HAVE A LOT OF GREAT CHANGES.
STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND USING THAT, REMOVING THAT PARKING AND UTILIZING IT AS A GREEN SPACE, WHICH WOULD AGAIN ENHANCE, CREATE A PUBLIC SPACE WHICH WOULD BE MORE PURPOSEFUL.
IN ADDITION TO THE PARKING BIKE, PARKING IS REQUIRED FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT WHERE AT LEAST SIX PARKING REQUIREMENT SIX PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED WITH A RATIO OF ONE SPOT PER 10 PARKING SPOTS.
APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO DEMONSTRATE AT LEAST THREE PARKING SPACES AT THE PTP.
THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL DISCUSS THE MASSING OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING AND ITS RESPONSE TO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
WE CAN SEE PROPOSED BEST VIEW SHOWING THE PEDESTRIAN ENTRY WHERE THE POCKET PARK, THIS IS THE SOUTHWEST VIEW ALONG THE WEST AND THE SOUTH, ALONG WITH THE WEST AND THE SOUTH ELEVATION ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE.
BASED ON THE BOAT'S FEEDBACK, THE BUILDING'S WEST FACADE OR THE FRONT FACADE, WHICH FACES THE NORTH HIGH STREET, THE HEIGHT HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM THREE STORIES TO TWO STORIES TO MAKE IT MORE PROPORTIONAL WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
THE TOTAL HEIGHT IS NOW REDUCED FROM 30 FEET TO 24TH FEET AND APPLICANT PROPOSES RESTAURANT ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND AN OFFICE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TOWARDS THIS SITE.
EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND THE SCALE IS REDUCED, STAFF IS CONCERNED WITH THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE WHICH REFLECTS A ROW HOUSING APPEARANCE AND NOT RESPONDING TO THE
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INTENDED USAGE OF THE BUILDING.THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES RECOMMEND FACADE PROPORTIONAL IN ADDITION TO THOSE AND WINDOWS PROPORTIONS TO REFLECT THE PATTERN OF BUILDINGS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, APPLICANT PROPOSES RESEARCH FACADE ALONG THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH FACADE BUILDING STANDARDS HAD CONCERNS OVER THE OPENING ALONG THE NORTH FACADE.
DETAILS OF WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THIS IS THE EAST FACADE WHICH FACES NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE AT THE LOWEST LEVEL.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES AN APARTMENT FOR LIVE WORK HUES AND ELIMINATED THE SECOND GARAGE, WHICH FURTHER REDUCED THE CURB CODES AND THE ACCESS POINTS.
STAFF AGAIN RECOMMENDS ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES ON THE FACADE TO RESPOND.
THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT USE CREATING MORE LIGHT AND VIEWS FROM THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT.
ADDITIONALLY, THE DECK AT THE TOPMOST FLOOR AND THE FIRST FLOOR ROOFING CAN BE MODIFIED, ALLOWING FOR A LARGER DECK TO SERVE THE INTENDED USE STAFF ADDITIONALLY, ADDITIONALLY RECOMMENDS BREAKING THEIR REPETITIVE GABLE ROOF FORMS AND CREATING ARCHITECTURALLY RESPONSIVE PATTERNS.
THIS IS INCLUDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
THE RENDERINGS HERE INDICATE THE USE OF BREAK, BUT APPLICANT HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE LIMESTONE IS INTENDED TO BE USED.
THESE ARE THE CROSS-SECTION AND THE CROSS-SECTIONAL ELEVATIONS, WHICH SHOWS THE MASSING AND THE GRADE CHANGE WITH BRIDGED HIGH DEVELOPMENT ON THE EXTREME LEFT AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AT PDP.
THE SECTION COULD POSSIBLY INCLUDE THE PROPERTIES ACROSS NORTH BLACKSMITH LANE AS WELL AS MASSING ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
NEXT FEW SLIDES WE HAVE ARCHES AND JAY WILL TAKEOVER.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO START BY INTRODUCING A FEW STILL IMAGES OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING FROM ARC JIS, UM, WHICH IS THE MAPPING TOOL WE'VE BEEN USING TO IMPLEMENT A 3D MODEL OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING AT 1622 NORTH HIGH.
SO THE TOP LEFT IMAGE IS A VIEW FROM THE SIDEWALK WEST ON NORTH HIGH STREET IN FRONT OF TU CHI'S RESTAURANT.
THE BOTTOM LEFT IMAGE IS A VIEW FROM THE CORNER OF NORTH HIGH AND WEST BRIDGE STREET.
AND THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS A VIEW OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING FROM THE PARKING LOT IN THE SITE.
SO NEXT I'LL SHOWCASE A VIDEO WALKTHROUGH OF THE SITE.
SO WE'LL BEGIN THE SITE WALKTHROUGH FROM THE PEDESTRIAN ENTRY VIA THE POCKET PARK FROM NORTH HIGH STREET.
SO THEN WE WILL MAKE OUR WAY DOWN THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY VIEWING THE SOUTH FACADE AND THEN WE'LL END UP ON BLACKSMITH LANE GETTING A FEW VIEWS OF THE EAST FACADE FROM SOUTHEAST AND NORTHEAST OF THE SITE.
SO THANK YOU AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AFTER THE PRESENTATION.
LASTLY, BASED ON BOTH FEEDBACK, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO REDUCED THE NUMBER OF MATERIALS AS WELL AS THE COLORS THE APPLICANT NOW PROPOSES CLAP BOTH SIDING AND LIMESTONE WALLS ALONG WITH THE COLORS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE ON THE SITE.
THIS IS THE DEMOLITION REVIEW CRITERIA CODE SECTION 1 53 0.176 LIST.
THE DEMOLITION CRITERIA REQUIREMENT IS ONE OF THE THREE CRITERIA TO BE MET AND BASED ON THE STAFF FINDINGS.
TWO OF THE THREE LISTED CRITERIA ARE MET.
HERE ARE THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW CRITERIA.
MOST OF THE CRITERIA ARE EITHER MET OR MET WITH CONDITIONS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF DEMOLITION FOR THE SHED AND THE BACKGROUND BUILDING WITH ONE CONDITION.
SHOULD THE APPLICANT CHOOSE TO DEMOLISH THE SHED AND OUT BUILDING PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF THE FTP, THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE A SITE RESTORATION PLAN.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF CONCEPT PLAN WITH FOLLOWING CONDITIONS TO BE MET.
AT THE PDP, THE APPLICANT SHALL ADDRESS FORM WINDOWS AND DOOR OPENINGS IN BOTH SIZE AND LOCATION.
TO BETTER ADDRESS THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES, THE APPLICANT SHOULD EXPLORE A REGISTERING CONNECTION FROM BLACKSMITH LANE TO THE PROPOSED POCKET PARK.
THE APPLICANT SHALL CONSIDER EXPANDING THE POCKET PARK TO CREATE PUBLIC SPACE.
IN ADDITION TO THE BIKERACK, THE APPLICANT SHALL CONSIDER THE APPLICANT SHALL ADDRESS BUILDING STANDARD COMMENTS WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE SITE PLANS SHOWING ALL EXISTING SANITARY LATERALS AS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
WE WILL NEED TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS TONIGHT.
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AND WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.I WANNA ASK A QUESTION ABOUT PROCESS AND THEN, AND THEN I HAVE SOME OTHERS, BUT I KNOW THE BOARD MEMBERS DO.
BUT I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.
WHAT WE ARE REALLY BEYOND THE DEMOLITION, THE CONCEPT REVIEW, THERE ARE SO MANY OUTSTANDING ITEMS LIKE YOU LOOK AT CONDITION ONE, THIS BUILDING COULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BEFORE WE APPROVE IT.
YOU LOOK AT CONDITION FOUR, THE FIRE RATING REQUIREMENTS ON THAT WALL MAY RADICALLY CHANGE THE FUNCTIONAL USE OF THE SPACE, WHICH WILL CHANGE THAT ELEVATION.
SO IF WE DO APPROVE IT, I THINK IT, IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT POTENTIALLY ALL WE ARE APPROVING IS A TWO STORY MASS IN THAT LOCATION.
UM, SO BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THERE, IS THAT ACCURATE? YEAH.
SO, SO THERE, IF WE DO APPROVE IT, AND THAT'S SUBJECT TO EVERYBODY AND ALL THREE OF US NEED TO AGREE BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY THREE OF OUR FIVE MEMBERS HERE TONIGHT.
UM, IT PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE, WILL NOT BE APPROVED IN FUTURE MEETINGS IF IT COMES BACK LOOKING LIKE THIS.
SO I WANT WANT THAT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
IF WE DO APPROVE IT, THERE'S EXPECTATION THAT THERE WILL BE DRAMATIC CHANGES IN THIS.
UM, THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS THE SITE RESTORATION PLAN.
NOW OUR CODE IS WRITTEN ASSUMING WHEN YOU, YOU RAISE A STRUCTURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING LEFT AND SO IT'S LANDSCAPE ON THE SITE.
BUT HERE, IF WE PERMIT THE SHED TO BE RAISED, WE NEED A SITE RESTORATION DRAWING FOR THE BACK OF THAT BUILDING.
IT'S NOT JUST A PLAN, BUT WE NEED AN ELEVATION AND WE NEED TO KNOW THE MATERIALS AND WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE BACK OF THAT BUILDING'S GONNA BE LIKE AND HOW IT'S, HOW IT'S GONNA BE RESTORED.
I THINK THAT THAT'S A PART ISN'T, AM I INTERPRETING THAT CORRECTLY? CORRECT.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE LANDSCAPING AS WELL AS RESTORATION TO THE WALL, WHICH IS AT THE REAR OF 22 NORTH.
SO ALL THE MATERIALS ON THAT WALL, WE NEED TO SEE HOW IT'S GONNA BE TREATED.
AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION, ARE WE GOING TO AT SOME POINT HAVE TO APPROVE A WAIVER FOR THE PARKING? YES.
NOW IS THAT, IS THAT A PART? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A PART OF PARKING PLAN.
SO THAT'S PART OF PARKING PLAN.
THOSE ARE MY INITIAL QUE BOARD MEMBERS.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'LL, YEAH, I MEAN IT'S TRACK, IT'S OTHER, YEAH, I THINK IT'S WITH THE APP, WITH THE APPLICANT.
YES, THAT'S, THAT WAS, THAT WAS GOOD.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN HOPING FOR.
ALRIGHT, MR. TRACONE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? THERE IT IS.
THANKS FOR ALLOWING US TO COME AND, UH, TALK WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT.
JOE TREPID CON ANN ADAMS, UH, NINE 60 NORTH HAMILTON ROAD.
UM, FIRST I WANT TO JUST ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS FIRST.
UM, THE WALL ON THE NORTH SIDE IS IN FACT BEEN ADDRESSED IN FOR OUR CODE REVIEW.
IT'S REQUIRED TO BE A ONE HOUR FIRE RATED WALL, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY TWO LAYERS OF TYPE G OR A VERY SIMPLE CONSTRUCTION.
WE DO HAVE, UH, WINDOWS PROPOSED FOR THAT FACADE AND THEY'RE RECESSED IN A LIGHT WELL, AND THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE 3D IMAGES.
AND THOSE WINDOWS ARE REQUIRED TO BE FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL AREA OF THE WALL.
UH, ALSO THE GIS IS VERY DECEIVING.
UM, THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION IS SHOWN AT THE EXISTING GRADE.
AND AS YOU ARE AWARE AND CODE REQUIRES US TO SLOPE THE PROPERTY AWAY FROM OUR BUILDING AT, I THINK IT'S 2% FOR THE FIRST 10 FEET TO DO THAT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE IF WE MAINTAIN THE EXISTING FINISH FLOOR ELEVATION AT THE EXISTING GRAVE BECAUSE THE SITE SLOPES WEST TO EAST.
AND THEN IT SIGNIFICANTLY SLOPES AS IT GETS FURTHER INTO THE SITE.
IF WE WERE TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING AT THE CURRENT ELEVATION, IT WOULD FLOOD EVERY TIME THERE'S A RAIN.
AND, AND THEN IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE.
SO WE'RE REQUIRED TO, I MET WITH A CONTRACTOR OUT THERE.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A TOPO SURVEY, I HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT YET.
SO WE DON'T KNOW EXACT ELEVATION CHANGES, BUT I SUSPECT WE'RE LOOKING AT
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ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF OF FILL REQUIRED IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDING, WHICH WOULD RAISE THE BUILDING UP APPROXIMATELY A FOOT AND A HALF AND WOULD NOT CREATE, UM, THE BUNKER EFFECT AS SHOWN ON THE GISI MEAN, I, I THINK THAT'S VERY DECEIVING, GIS UH, 3D UH, RENDERING.BUT, BUT AT ANY RATE, UH, IT'S NOT VERY FLATTERING.
SO, UM, THOSE TWO THINGS, UM, I WANT, I WANT TO POINT OUT, UM, ALSO, UM, WE LOVE THE IDEA OF PUTTING GREEN SPACE IN, UM, IN WHERE THE SHED IS.
UM, WE WILL PROPOSE THAT IN OUR NEXT, UH, GO AROUND, WE ALSO SEE THAT AS A POSITIVE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO MAINTAIN OUR LOT COVERAGE AND WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT IN WIDTH TO PROVIDE, UM, APPROXIMATELY TWO OR THREE FEET OF ADDITIONAL, UM, DRIVEWAY SPACE TO ALLOW US TO PUT THAT PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY THROUGH.
I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT IDEA.
I MEAN, IT ALLOWS US TO SORT OF KNIT THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC FROM HIGH STREET AND THE FUTURE BLACKSMITH.
I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
BUT THE ONLY WAY TO, PARDON ME, THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO CHANGE.
THE ONLY WAY WE'LL BE THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
TO, TO ACHIEVE THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, WE CAN'T REALLY REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ANYMORE.
I MEAN, WE'VE GONE FROM A THREE STORY BUILDING TO TWO STORY BUILDING, ANY LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND THIS PROJECT IS, DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.
UH, IT'S QUESTIONABLE NOW FRANKLY.
BUT, UM, WE'LL ELONGATE THE BUILDING SLIGHTLY.
WHATEVER, WHATEVER SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, WE TAKE OFF OF THE WIDTH WILL ADD TO THE LENGTH.
UM, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE GREEN SPACE, WE CAN OFFSET, UH, THE ADDITIONAL, UH, IMPERVIOUS, YOU KNOW, PAVEMENT AREAS AND, AND STILL BE WITHIN THE 80%, WHICH WE'D LIKE TO BE.
WE COULD BE AS MUCH AS 85%, BUT WE'D LIKE TO STAY AT THE 80%.
SO THOSE TWO THINGS YOU WILL SEE ON THE NEXT SUBMITTAL.
AND LASTLY, UM, DO, UH, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE MEETING WE HAVE SCHEDULED? THAT YOU SCHEDULED? OH, WE'VE, UH, SCHEDULED A MEETING WITH, UH, ROTT AND SARAH NEXT WEEK TO LIKE LOOK AT THE, THE WAY THAT THE BUILDING THE FACADE LOOKS CURRENTLY AND TRY TO CHANGE THE FACADE SOME MORE.
UM, 'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE WINDOWS NEED TO BE CHANGED AND THE DOORS NEED TO BE CHANGED TO MEET THE HISTORICAL CODE.
UM, BUT THE REASON WHY IT LOOKS THE WAY IT WAS IN THIS DRAWING THAT WE SUBMITTED IS THAT WE AT THE LAST MINUTE HAD TO GO BACK AND CHANGE EVERYTHING REALLY QUICKLY TO TRY TO GET TO THIS HEARING WITH YOU GUYS.
THAT'S WHY THE, UH, FACADE EVEN HAS BRICK ON IT WHEN WE WANNA TRY TO GO WITH STONE IF WE CAN, BUT WE'RE ALSO OPEN TO BRICK TOO.
I MEAN WE'RE OPEN BRICK OR STONE.
UM, AND, AND THE REASON WE DID RUSH ON THIS LAST ONE, WE HAD AN, UH, AN INTERMEDIATE PRESENTATION THAT WE, WE SUBMITTED TO STAFF WHERE I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL THAT THE BOARD ASKED US TO DO SOME MASSING STUDIES.
SO WE DID ABOUT EIGHT DIFFERENT MASSING MASSING STUDIES, ALL THREE STORY CONCEPTS.
AND WE WORKED WITH STAFF AND IT BECAME VERY APPARENT THAT IF THIS PROJECT'S GONNA WORK, IT'S GONNA WORK IN TWO STORIES AND NOT THREE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE CHANGED THE USES BECAUSE, UM, AN APARTMENT, UH, THE SIZE OF THE APARTMENT, WE COULDN'T HAVE TOWNHOUSES ANYMORE AND IT JUST, WE DIDN'T THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO, TO UH, CREATE, UM, UH, AN APARTMENT THAT, THAT WE THINK REFLECTS THE QUALITY OF THE SITE.
SO WE DECIDED TO USE OFFICE SPACE SINCE THE, UM, THE, UH, STAFF, UH, AND THE OWNER HAS HAD GREAT RESPONSE WITH PEOPLE WANTING TO LEASE OFFICE SPACE IN THE AREA.
UM, SO WE REALLY ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
WE'D PREFER TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO DO, UM, OFFICE ON THAT LEVEL INSTEAD OF, IT DIDN'T SEEM FEASIBLE ON 1900 SQUARE FOOT, UM, TO DIVIDE THAT INTO HALF AND HAVE LIKE 800 SQUARE FOOT FOR TWO DIFFERENT DWELLINGS.
AND THEN WITH A TWO CAR GARAGE ON THE BOTTOM.
WE DIDN'T SEE LIKE A GOOD RETURN ON HIS INVESTMENT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE BUILDING AND THEN RENT IT OUT AND GET ANY SORT OF GAIN BACK FROM DOING THAT
SO INSTEAD NOW WE'VE VISITED HIM MAKING IT AN OWNER OCCUPIED RESIDENCE AND THEN HE WOULD OCCUPY WHAT IS NOW THE RESIDENCE LEVEL AND THE GARAGE LEVEL.
BUT I DID WANNA ASK YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE RIGHT TIME, BUT, UH, GARY ALEXANDER, YOU HAD MADE A STATEMENT EARLIER ABOUT NOT APPROVING AND I DIDN'T CATCH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK THEM.
AND I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS FOR, FOR BOTH OF YOU AND MATT.
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OKAY.MY, MY POINT WAS ALL WE WILL APPROVE, THERE ARE TWO THINGS WE'RE GONNA PROVE TONIGHT OR DISCUSS AND POTENTIALLY PROVE THE DEMOLITION AND THE CONCEPT APPROVAL.
BUT ALL THE CON, ALL THE CONCEPT APPROVAL DOES IS ALLOW YOU TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO AND WHAT, BUT 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA HAVE POTENTIALLY THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WE APPROVE IT WITH ALL THOSE CONDITIONS.
AND IF YOU READ PARTICULARLY CONDITION ONE AND YOU LOOK AT THE CONSULTANTS REPORT CONDITION, ONE SUGGESTS THERE NEED TO BE A LOT OF CHANGES.
NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SIZE MM-HMM.
BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE ISSUES ABOUT THE FORM, UM, THE WINDOWS, THE DOOR OPENINGS.
SO I DON'T WANT, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE HAVE APPLICANTS WHO COME BEFORE US AND HAVE THE IMPRESSION, OH, IT'S BEEN APPROVED, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO.
NO, THIS IS A STEP THAT ALLOWS YOU TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY, I I THINK WORKING CLOSELY WITH STAFF, YOU COULD EVEN COME TO AN INTERMEDIATE MEETING WITH THE BOARD IF YOU WANTED TO SHARE SOMETHING.
UH, BECAUSE WHAT WHAT CAN HAPPEN IS, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COME BACK WITH SOMETHING AND PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WITH IT, SO THEN WE TABLE IT OR, OR WE VOTE IT DOWN, WHICH YOU DON'T WANT.
SO IT JUST KEEPS, KEEPS GOING.
SO THERE ARE WAYS TO CONTINUE, BUT I, I JUST DON'T WANT ANY FALSE EXPECTATION THAT WHAT WE APPROVE TONIGHT, THE BUILDING THAT COMES BACK WILL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE IT.
'CAUSE I DON'T, IT, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE APPROVED.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE IT'S CLEARLY, WELL, I, I'LL WAIT, I'LL I'LL SAY MORE, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTION UNLESS WE'RE GONNA GO INTO KIND OF MASS AND LOOKING AT THE, I I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION.
COULD YOU GO OVER THE USE AGAIN? I GOT VERY CONFUSED.
SO THE BOTTOM FLOOR WILL BE RESIDENTIAL OWNER OCCUPIED AND THE GARAGE.
AND THE SECOND FLOOR IS OFFICES NOW.
SO WHERE ARE THE OFFICES ABOVE THE RESTAURANT? ABOVE IT.
BUT THEN WHERE DOES THE KITCHEN GO? SO I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A TENANT IN MIND OR YOU'VE TALKED TO SOMEBODY OR, UM, 'CAUSE THE CLEARLY I CAN SEE THAT THE GOAL OF HAVING MORE WINDOWS IN THE BACK, BUT I CAN ALSO SEE THAT THE DIFFICULTY OF PUTTING A KITCHEN BACK THERE, BECAUSE USUALLY KITCHENS ARE BACK AS, YOU KNOW, BACK OF THE HOUSE FUNCTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU, SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND I, I THINK THE WAY I ALWAYS ENVISIONED IT IS, UM, OUR BACK IS ACTUALLY THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE LIMITED, UM, ABILITY TO PUT NATURAL LIGHT IN GLASS.
AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF YOU KNOW WHAT TYPE OF RESTAURANT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OBVIOUSLY IF IT, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A GRILL TYPE RESTAURANT, IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN IT IS IF IT'S A SANDWICH SHOP OR A COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GETTING INTO TYPE ONE AND TYPE TWO HOODS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
UM, BUT I ENVISIONED AS YOU WALK IN, YOU HAVE SORT OF AN OPEN KITCHEN KIND OF IDEA ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS THE NORTH SIDE.
I THINK THE IDEA OF THE LARGER WINDOWS ABSOLUTELY IS A GREAT IDEA.
UM, UH, AND I DON'T, I MEAN I, THERE WILL BE NONE OF THAT, THOSE LARGE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO THAT'S HOW I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, UM, ANN'S GREAT AT FINDING TENANTS AND GOOD TENANTS AND UM, I HAVE A FEELING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE'LL HAVE, WE WILL FIND A TENANT WHO IS, IS REALLY INTERESTED IN GOING INTO THAT AREA AND WE'LL WORK WITH THEM TO DESIGN THE SPACE PROPERLY.
WELL, I'D JUST SAY THAT 'CAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO BOX YOU IN A CORNER, SO, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO A BOARD IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE.
BUT THE MORE YOU THINK ABOUT IT NOW, THAT CAN SHORTEN THE PROCESS FOR YOU EITHER HERE OR THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING TO COME BACK.
SO JUST, JUST, IT SEEMS, IF I MAY, UH, SAY SOMETHING, IT SEEMS THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S EITHER WHAT LEANING TOWARD MORE OF A SANDWICH SHOP BASED ON 16 BEING FOR RENT AND OR FOR LEASE, SORRY.
UM, THE, THE TYPE OF TENANTS THAT I'M SEEING ARE LOOKING FOR LIKE SANDWICH SHOPS OR A COFFEE SHOP OR A BAKERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE A FULL SCALE GRILLED RESTAURANT AT THE MOMENT.
BUT LIKE YOU SAID, WE DON'T WANNA BACK OURSELVES INTO A CORNER JUST IN CASE
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TAKE THE SPACE AND WANTS THAT.ANY OTHER INITIAL QUESTIONS? OKAY.
AND LASTLY, ONE, ONE LAST THING.
I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF THERE.
UM, WE ARE GONNA BE LIMITED ON OCCUPANCY OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A SINGLE, UH, AND POINT OF ENTRY.
UM, IT, IT, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO PUT A SECOND POINT OF ENTRY.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THIS HUGE, I MEAN IT'S GONNA BE A, A SMALL TRENDY KIND OF RESTAURANT OF SOME KIND, YOU KNOW, WITH OCCUPANCIES OF 29 PEOPLE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW I ENVISION IT, ESPECIALLY IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY RE REDUCED THE TOTAL FLOOR AREAS BY CREATING THESE LIGHT WELLS ON EITHER SIDE, WHICH GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BREAK UP THE MASS AND TO CREATE NATURAL, UH, LIGHT ON THE NORTH SIDE.
UM, DOES ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WANNA SPEAK TO THIS? PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I LIVE AT 56 SOUTH RIVERVIEW STREET.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE, UH, ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR, BUT MORE SO THE IMPACT OF THIS COMBINED WITH THE RESIDENTIAL GOING IN ON NORTH RIVERVIEW, COMBINED WITH CO HATCH'S CORPORATE BUILDING AND HOW THAT WILL IMPACT NORTH BLACK SMITH LANE, CONSIDERING THAT'S A PEDESTRIAN THOROUGHFARE GOING FROM ALONG BRIDGE STREET ALONG THE BRIDGE.
SO I'M JUST HOPING THAT YOU GUYS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT'S GOING IN THERE AND THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
'CAUSE I KNOW WHERE WE LIVE, SOUTH BLACKSMITH LANE IS A DISASTER.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE COME THROUGH ALL THE TIME, UM, AND ALL THE BUSINESSES THERE.
THERE'S NO PEDESTRIAN ISSUE THOUGH, THANKFULLY BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE IS.
SO JUST CAME TO MY MIND WHEN I WATCHED THIS.
I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT AS A RESIDENT, I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR CONSIDERATION.
MAYBE THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHOULD BE EXPLORING AND HOPEFULLY THEY ARE JUST LOOKING AT NOT JUST THIS SITE, BUT THE IMPLICATIONS ON THOSE STREETS.
IT'S CONNECTED TO, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE EFFORT THAT IS LOOKING AT MORE THAN JUST A COUPLE OF BLOCKS.
AND IT'S LOOKING AT SYSTEMS OF DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION.
SO NOT JUST VEHICULAR, BUT PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE AND HOW EVERYTHING WORKS TOGETHER.
THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN, IN ONE AREA, AND WE NEED TO KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THERE, HOW WE'RE GONNA LEAVE ALL OF THAT.
SO IF, IF HE WAS INTERESTED, WOULD HE CALL NOW WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM TRANSPORTATION HERE TONIGHT, DON'T WE? YES, WE DO.
SO, SO IF HE WAS INTERESTED IN SEEING THE SPECIFICS OR HOW THIS, HOW THEY'VE STUDIED THE IMPACT ON HIS STREET.
WHO WOULD HE CONTACT? IT IS NOT READY YET.
IT'S KIND OF GOING IN TANDEM WITH ALL OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS.
UM, THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE ANY ANTICIPATED DATE OF PUBLICATION? ASK HIM.
DO YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL LOOK AT YOU? GIMME JUST A SECOND.
WE HAVE SOME EXPERTS AROUND APRIL.
SO YOU, AND WHEN I SAY APRIL, THIS IS JUST INITIAL COUNT PARKING, IDENTIFYING AS WE HAVE MENTIONED, WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM, WHERE IT'S GONNA, UH, BASED ON THAT, THERE WOULD BE SOME, OKAY.
SO YOU MAY WANT TO STAY TUNED WITH, WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DIVISION AND SEE, SEE WHERE THAT'S GOING.
HAVE WE HAD ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, SUBMITTED ELECTRONICALLY? NO, WE HAVE NOT.
DO WE WANNA TUCK THESE UP? I MEAN, I THINK, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S JUST, I MEAN, JUST MR. TRAP CONE, RIGHT? IS THAT, SORRY, SORRY.
I MEAN, JUST MEAN, JUST 'CAUSE I, I MEAN YOU SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, AND I'LL SAY SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE, LET'S SAY IF YOU TALK ABOUT THE MASSING AS YOU WALK AROUND, JUST FOR, FOR ME IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE TWO BUILDINGS RIGHT? OR TWO STRUCTURES INSIDE OF THAT.
SO IS THERE A REASON, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE BACKGROUND OF THAT? WHY, HOW
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DID, HOW DID YOU GET TO THAT SPOT? JUST, UH, IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO BREAK UP THE FACADE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE OKAY.UM, WHERE IT'S GOING TO READ AS ONE STRUCTURE.
WE'RE GONNA, ESSENTIALLY, WHAT MY CONCEPT IS, AND I HAVEN'T TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THIS YET, AND I THINK MAYBE ROTTI WAS SORT OF IN THIS, UH, SUGGESTED WE LOOK AT THIS, BUT I COULD SEE TAKING ONE OF THE GABLE ENDS ROTATING AT 90 DEGREES AND CREATING EITHER A HIP ROOF OR, UH, A GABLE IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE ONE CONTINUOUS STRUCTURE.
BUT IT'S STILL BROKEN INTO TWO PIECES.
UM, IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN THAT, BUT I THINK IT LOOKED MORE RESIDENTIAL AND THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT, UH, NEXT WEEK.
WELL, CERTAINLY I THINK AS GARY'S POINT IS, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE SOME, SOME CHANGES ON THAT AND RIGHT.
AND CERTAINLY I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE, AS YOU WALK AROUND THE FACADE, I MEAN, THAT REALLY MAKES IT, I DIDN'T THINK ROWHOUSE, BUT THAT KIND OF YEAH.
I MEAN OUR, OUR INTENTION IS TO COME TOGETHER WITH DUBLIN AND FIND WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THAT SITE.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE, WE'RE NOT REALLY HERE TO TRY TO SLAM THIS THING DOWN DUBLIN'S THROAT.
I MEAN, WE WANT THIS TO BE A A, YOU KNOW, A A NICE PIECE OF THE, THE WHOLE IT'S AN IMPORTANT FABRIC.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT SPOT IN IN HISTORICAL.
THIS IS A, IT'S, I MEAN, WE'VE, THE MORE WE, WE'VE SEEN ALL THESE HISTORIC, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS OF, YOU KNOW, HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDING.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN ALL THOSE, BUT THERE'S SOME REALLY COOL STUFF, UH, THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST SIT AND STARE AT FOR HOURS BECAUSE IT'S SO ROMANTIC, YOU KNOW, TO SEE THESE PEOPLE.
AND, AND WE WANT TO BE PART OF THAT JOURNEY THROUGH, 'CAUSE CERTAINLY AS YOU LOOK ACROSS A BIT ACROSS THE STREET, LIKE, SO, I MEAN, YOU CERTAINLY TRYING TO GET IT TO LOOK MORE HISTORIC.
LIKE IT'S ONE STRUCTURE WITH, AS YOU SAY, SOME HISTORIC, I THINK SOMEBODY SAYS INTEREST IN INSIDE OF HOW, HOW THAT COULD, HOW COULD, HOW THAT LOOK.
I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE THING THAT PEOPLE, WELL, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA BRING OUR SKETCH PAPER AND GOOD.
WE'RE GONNA PUT THESE GUYS TO WORK.
SO, AND THEN IF I JUST WALK ALL, IF I WALK TO THE BACK, SO I'LL, I'LL GO ALL THE WAY.
IF I'LL GO ONTO THE EAST SIDE AND YOU LOOK AT THE, WHAT'S THE BALCONY FOR ON THE BACK? THE, PARDON ME? THE BALCONY.
SO YOU HAVE THE THIRD FLOOR, THE, THE BALCONY AND THE JUST HOW, WHY DID, WHY, WHY, WHY DO YOU HAVE THAT THERE? JUST, WELL, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY ATTRACTIVE VIEW LOOKING TO THE EAST.
AND, AND, UM, I, I MEAN I THINK STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO TRY TO MAKE IT BIGGER IS A GREAT IDEA.
I MEAN, WHO DOESN'T LIKE AN EXTERIOR BALCONY? IT'S A, IT ADDS ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE, YOU KNOW, UH, POTENTIALLY.
UM, I THINK, I THINK THE BALCONY, I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS, PROBABLY AS USED AS IF IT WERE IF WE WERE RESIDENTIAL ON THE RESTAURANT OR IN THE RESTAURANT, RIGHT.
UH, OR RE BUT, BUT I, I COULD SEE PEOPLE HAVING LUNCH, YOU KNOW, THE LUNCHROOM PROBABLY TOWARD THE BACK OF THAT, UM, SPACE.
AND THEN PEOPLE SITTING OUTSIDE AND LOOKING TO, TO THE BRIDGE AND I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, THERE'S REALLY A LOT OF ATTRACTIVE VIEW THAT WAY, YOU KNOW.
SO THEN, I MEAN, JUST AS A THOUGHT, I MEAN, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ANOTHER TIME, IS THAT THINKING ABOUT THE, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THE GABLES BACK THERE, I'M THINKING ABOUT, I KNOW WE'D HAVE TO TALK ABOUT A FLAT OR A SHED ROOF OR SOME OTHER KIND OF ROOF, UH, STRUCTURE THAT GIVES YOU MORE SPACE AND ALSO REDUCES THE MASSING IN THE BACK.
WELL, THAT SOLVES ANOTHER, THE, YEAH.
UM, COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO, BEFORE THESE TWO COMMENTS DISAPPEAR, I WANT TO TALK THE PROB ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH YOUR BUILDING IS THERE'S THIS INHERENT CONFLICT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IS THE CENTER DOMINANT OR ARE THE GABLES DOMINANT? AND IT DOESN'T, AND IT'S REALLY, AND YOU HAVE THIS REALLY AWKWARD TENSION, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE REACT TO BOTH ON THE FRONT AND BOTH ON THE BACK.
AND SO, AND, AND YOUR, YOUR FENESTRATION DOESN'T EVEN LINE UP DOWN BELOW.
I MEAN, WE HAVE, IN OUR BOOK, THERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW HISTORIC STRUCTURES HAVE TIED BOTH STOREFRONT AND A PATTERN OF OPENINGS ABOVE.
SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY APPARENT AND IT SHOWS UP TWICE IN OUR BOOK.
AND IT'S REALLY COMMON IN HISTORIC AREAS WHERE YOU CAN TIE STOREFRONT, WHICH WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS AN ALL GLASS SYSTEM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WITH PUNCHED OPENINGS ABOVE.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DONE IN TRADITIONAL COMMUNITIES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT, BECAUSE THE COLUMNS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR FENESTRATION DON'T EVEN LINE UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON ABOVE.
SO, AND, AND IT'S REALLY PECULIAR YOU CREATE THIS AXIAL CONNECTION THROUGH THERE.
BUT THEN YOU, YOU, INSTEAD OF ONE OF YOUR EARLIER SKETCHES HAS A GABLE, WHICH IS USED TO COLLECT VISUAL INTEREST AND TO COLLECT THE AXIS.
BUT IN FACT YOU JUST PUT, BOTH ROOFS COME DOWN AND YOU PUT THIS, YOU PUT THE DOORS THERE, BUT THE MOST PROMINENT PARTS OF THE ELEVATION AREN'T THERE.
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IS REALLY THAT IT'S REALLY AWKWARD.AND WHETHER IT'S TWO OR WHETHER IT'S ONE WITH THE GABLE, THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION I'D LIKE YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT THE HIP WITH MAYBE AN ASYMMETRICAL GABLE IS BECAUSE THAT COULD BREAK THE MASS DOWN FROM THE FRONT EVEN MORE.
IF YOU USE THE HIP IN THE FRONT.
IF WHY I'M SAYING WEST, YOU USE THE HIP THERE AS WELL.
IT BREAKS, YOU DON'T LOSE CEILING HEIGHT.
IT BREAKS THE MASS DOWN FURTHER.
UM, WHICH IS AN ISSUE BACK THERE WHERE YOU HAVE THE, WHERE IN THE PARKING LOT, WHERE YOU HAVE THE SMALL BUILDINGS AND THE, AND THE BIGGER BUILDING AND SEAN'S COMMENT, THE SAME THING OCCURS IN THE BACK.
YOU, YOU HAVE THESE TWO GABLES THAT APPEAR TO BE JUST KIND OF ATTACHED.
AND SO YOUR EYES DRAWN TO THOSE.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE THIS BALCONY, WHICH IS IN THE CENTER.
SO THERE'S REALLY AWKWARD TENSION.
I, I LIKED ONE OF YOUR EARLIER STUDIES.
IT HAD A FLAT ROOF ACROSS THAT.
THEN THE WHOLE THING WAS IT DOES TWO THINGS.
IT GIVES YOU A BIGGER BALCONY AND IT ACTUALLY HAS MORE IN COMMON WITH THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK THERE, THERE BUILDINGS, FLAT ROOF BUILDINGS NEAR IT.
AND, AND ALSO YOUR BUILDING IS, IS NOT DIVIDED.
IT'S REALLY DIVIDED HORIZONTALLY.
SO IF YOU WOULD HAVE A, A FLAT ROOF ACROSS THERE, IT GIVES YOU A BIGGER BALCONY.
YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT SAME KIND OF TENSION.
AND WE, THIS, OUR GUIDELINES SAY HOW DOES IT RELATE TO ADJACENT BUILDINGS? THAT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO GET MASSING BACK THERE THAT RELATES TO THE ADJACENT BUILDING.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T DRAW YOUR EYE UP TO THE PEAK WHERE IT'S HIGHER.
NO, IT DRAWS YOUR EYE KIND OF, THOSE ARE JUST MY INITIAL THOUGHTS WORKING WITH STAFF.
I REALLY WASN'T AWARE THAT FLAT ROOFS WERE ALLOWED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT APPARENTLY THEY ARE.
YOU, YOU SAW US GRANT A WAIVER TONIGHT FOR SOMETHING THAT OUR CODE SAYS.
SO IF THE CIRCUMSTANCES WARRANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEN WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE, WE HAVE APPROVED THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK HERE THAT'S, I MEAN THE CONTEXT OF THE BUILDINGS AROUND IT LEND A BIT TO SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO AND MAKE IT LOOK SEAMLESS INSIDE ON SIDE OF THAT, ON THAT MORE, MORE ALLEYWAY THAN IT IS ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
HILLARY, WELL, A FLAT ROOF WOULD CERTAINLY GIVE US MORE DECK SPACE, POTENTIALLY IF YEAH.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND WOULD HELP UNIFY, I WOULD HELP UNIFY THE BACK, THE BACKSIDE.
UM, AND I SAW THAT IN ONE OF YOUR STUDIES, BUT I KNOW WHY IT WAS ELIMINATED.
'CAUSE IT WAS A STUDY WHERE YOU HAD THREE STORIES AND YOU PROBABLY HEARD THE MESSAGE GET RID OF THE THIRD STORY.
SO YOU TOOK OFF THE THIRD STORY BUT ALSO GOT RID OF THE, THE LARGE HORIZONTAL DECK.
HIL, HILARY, SEAN AND I HAVE MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE APPEARANCE.
NO, I, I DON'T THINK I HAVE MUCH TO ADD TO THAT.
I WAS JUST LOOKING YEAH, NO, IT, IT, NO, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.
I DO AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID AND WHAT STAFF SAID TOO, THAT IT FEELS TOO RO HOUSIE, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT FITS IN.
UM, IT NEEDS MORE AS A HISTORICAL EXPERT.
WHO SAID IT NEEDS MORE OF A VERNACULAR FEEL? IT JUST THAT WHOLE AREA IS THEY CONSTRUCTED IT AS THEY DID IN THOSE DAYS AND DIDN'T THINK ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE BOOKS NEED TO BE DROPPED FOR A MINUTE.
AND THE SAME, I THINK, I THINK I ALREADY MENTIONED GLASS IN THE BACK.
IF YOU CAN, IF SOMEHOW YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK WITH HOW THE LAYOUT IS GONNA BE.
'CAUSE CERTAINLY PEOPLE, AS YOU SAID IN THE BALCONY, PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE RESTAURANT WILL CERTAINLY WANNA LOOK AT THE RIVER TOO, RIGHT? YEP.
YOU YOU MEAN LARGER WINDOWS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE BACK, IN THE BACK OF THE, ON THE GROUND.
IT'LL BE THE GROUND FLOOR I GUESS, UH, ON THE THING.
YEAH, RESTAURANT THAT COULD HELP, UH, AS YOU SAY, THE BALCONY, AS YOU SAY PEOPLE WANNA LOOK AT THE RIVER.
I MEAN THE PEOPLE IN THE RESTAURANT HAVE THE PROBABLY OR WILL WANT TO HAVE THE SAME, SAME VIEW, RIGHT? YEP.
COULD, I MEAN, MAYBE NOT A WHOLE LINE, BUT IT'S JUST HOW DO YOU BREAK IT UP ENOUGH SO PEOPLE CAN LOOK OUT.
WE WILL DEFINITELY STUDY THAT.
NOW WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON OUR COMMENTS AND INITIAL COMMENTS ON THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW.
LET'S GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE DEMOLITION FOR A SECOND.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TWO, TWO THINGS TO APPROVE.
UM, HOW DO THE TWO OF YOU FEEL ABOUT DEMOLITION? I'M OKAY WITH IT.
I REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TO IT.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE, ESPECIALLY WITH TWO CRITERIA BEING MET, BUT YEAH, THE BUILDINGS DO NOT STRIKE ME AS HAVING ARCHITECTURAL VALUE OR HISTORICAL VALUE AND THEY ARE DETERIORATING
SO, AND FOR ME, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IN, BEHIND THOSE BUILDINGS, I MEAN IT'S CERTAINLY THE ONE ON, ON BLACKSMITH FOR ME.
UH, IT'S GOING TO IMPEDE WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE BACK THERE ANYWAY.
SO I'M, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH TAKING THE BUILDINGS DOWN.
I, I GENERALLY DON'T, I JUST WONDER IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO REMOVE THE SHED ON THE, ON THE, UM, ON 22 UNTIL HE HAS A PLAN THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT SOLIDI SOLIDIFIED ONLY IN CASE THE MARKET WOULD CHANGE AND ONE WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENT
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DECISION.BUT, BUT IF WE APPROVE IT, IT'S YOUR CALL.
HE DOESN'T WANNA REMOVE THE SHED UNLESS WE CAN GET A PROJECT IN PLACE.
SO THERE IS NO CONCERN WITH HIM.
SO YOURE GONNA WAIT TO REMOVE IT UNTIL WE APPROVE THE PROJECT.
I, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SMART.
HE DOESN'T SEE A USE FOR REMOVING ANY OF IT AND PUTTING THE CAPITAL INTO IT IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO BUILD SOMETHING THERE AFTER.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I OKAY, THAT'S GREAT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE FEEDBACK ABOUT THE FIVE CONDITIONS OR, OR ALL THOSE CONDITIONS REGARDING THE, UM, RODDY, COULD YOU PUT THE CONDITIONS UP AGAIN? SURE.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE FOCUSED ON ONE A LOT.
UM, AND YOU, MR. RECON, YOU ADDRESSED TWO AND THE ADJUSTMENTS YOU'RE GONNA MAKE TO, TO THE BUILDING.
UH, THE BIKE RACK SEEMS PRETTY MINOR WITH ALL THE GREEN SPACE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE.
UM, YOU ARE GOING, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING POTENTIALLY THE POCKET PARK.
UM, YOU'RE, YOU, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ON TOP OF THINGS WITH THE BOARD WITH THE BUILDING STANDARDS AND YEAH.
SO I YOU OKAY DOING ITEM FIVE, UM, FOR THIS NEXT APPROVAL? 'CAUSE YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO GET A CONSULTANT INVOLVED FOR THAT ONE.
UH, FOR NUMBER FIVE, WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED TALKING TO, UH, DIFFERENT COMPANIES TO COME GIVE US QUOTES TO GET THAT DONE FOR US.
SO WE WE'RE AWARE THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE FOR PDP.
DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR US? I HAVE ONE MORE
UM, WHEN YOU SAID THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE AN INTERMEDIATE MEETING WITH YOU, DOES THAT THAT MEAN COMING TO ANOTHER BOARD HEARING AT LIKE, LIKE THIS ONE? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH RTI AND SARAH SOMETIME? UNFORTUNATELY WHEN WE MEET, IT HAS TO BE A PUBLIC MEETING.
SO IT WOULD MEAN, UM, YOU'D HAVE TO GET ON THE AGENDA AND, UM, COME TO A PUBLIC MEETING AND WE WOULD DO IT IN A SETTING LIKE THIS.
THE MEETINGS YOU HAVE WITH STAFF, WE CAN'T REALLY PARTICIPATE IN THOSE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, THEY'LL SET THOSE UP AT YOUR MUTUAL CONVENIENCE.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU BRING SOMETHING FOR THE NEXT FORMAL APPLICATION THERE, IT, THERE ARE WAYS, IF THERE ARE ISSUES, IT DOESN'T CLOSE THE DOOR, WE CAN TABLE IT SOMETIMES WE CAN, WE CAN APPROVE IT WITH CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU DIDN'T GET THE WRONG IMPRESSION INITIALLY, BUT, OKAY.
BUT JUST MAYBE ONE MORE POINT, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'LL HAVE ONE WHEN EVERYBODY'S HERE.
IS THAT, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A GOOD THOUGHT ABOUT WHERE THE TRASH WILL GO, WHERE THE WHITE WALL, THE TRASH.
'CAUSE I KNOW ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS IS VERY, UH, REALLY HAS A MAKE SURE WE SORT HAVE GETTING THE TRASH IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING.
WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT IT? HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE IT'S SCREENED THESE THINGS AS YOU GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL? THAT WILL BE, IT WILL COME UP AGAIN.
SO JUST AS YOU THINK, THINK THROUGH THAT, WE, UH, WE WERE INDICAT A DUMPSTER ON THE SITE.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WAS ON THE LOCATION.
IT'S ON THE, IT'S GOING WEST, RIGHT? IT'S ON THE ORIGINAL.
IT'S ON THE EXISTING WAS, UH, SOUTHWEST.
AND UM, AND IF WE REALLY HAD TO, UM, POTENTIALLY WE COULD, UH, HAVE OUR DUMPSTER LOCATED ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW, I THINK SOME DISCUSSIONS HAVE HAPPENED WITH THAT.
UM, IT'S ALWAYS A MATTER OF HOW'S THE TRASH TRUCK GET THERE? JUST RIGHT.
JUST KIND OF THINK THROUGH WHERE IT WOULD SAY HOW YOU SCREEN IT.
YOU KNOW, THAT THAT SPOT YOU HAVE IT IN LOOKS LIKE IT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GREEN POCKET PARK.
SO JUST, IT IT, IT WILL BE SOMETHING TO BE DISCUSSED AT THE NEXT ONE.
ALRIGHT, UM, STAFF, HAVE WE MISSED ANYTHING IN, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS? I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THE
SO PARKING WILL COME AT THE NEXT, IT'LL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL BE PARKING.
SO IS THERE A MOTION, WE WILL DO THIS IN TWO, I THINK TWO MOTIONS.
UM, IT'S INTERESTING THE AGENDA'S NOT WRITTEN AS TWO SEPARATE.
YOU'VE WRITTEN AGENDA'S WRITTEN AS ONE.
CAN WE CONSIDER THEM BOTH TOGETHER? THE DEMOLITION AND THE CONCEPT REVIEW? YOU CAN, YES.
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IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION IS NOTED AND THE CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE CONDITIONS CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE ADDITIONS, UM, UH, CONCEPT PLAN? YES.YEAH, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE DEMO AND THE CONCEPT PLAN.
[Case #23-126ARB-MPR ]
RIGHT.OUR NEXT CASE, 34 36 FRANKLIN STREET, E E-BIKE CHARGING STATION REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A MINOR PROJECT FOR THE INSTALLATION OF E-BIKE CHARGING STATION AT THE SELL ALLEY PUBLIC PARKING LOT.
THIS SITE IS ZONED HDHC HISTORIC CORE DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF SELL ALLEY AND MILL LANE.
UM, AND MR. CONDO, IS THIS THE FIRST MEETING YOU'VE BEEN HERE? YES.
WELL, I, I DIDN'T, YEAH, WELL WELCOME AND UH, PLEASE START.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A MINOR PROJECT AT 34 THROUGH 36 FRANKLIN STREET PROPOSING INSTALLATION OF AN E-BIKE CHARGING STATION.
THE SITE IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW AND IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AT, OF THE INTERSECTION OF SELLS ALLEY AND MILL LANE.
STARRED IS THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE BED WHERE THE APPLICANT PROPOSES INSTALLING THE E-BIKE CHARGING STATION.
THE SITE IS ZONED HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC CORE.
HERE IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE, WE SEE AN EXISTING LANDSCAPE BED, EXISTING STREET PARKING AND BIKE RACKS.
THERE ARE ALSO BIKE RACKS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT ON A CONCRETE PAD.
THE SITE WILL REMAIN LARGELY AS IS WITH ONE PROPOSED CHANGE.
THE INSTALLATION OF AN E-BIKE CHARGING STATION, WHICH WILL BE POWERED VIA AN EXISTING STREETLIGHT CONTROLLER CABINET.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A 46.5 INCH TALL CHARGING STATION CONSTRUCTED OF BLACK POWDER COATED ALUMINUM WITH AN LED LIGHT STRIP.
THE PROPOSED CHARGING STATION MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS FOR BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS OUTLINED IN CODE AND THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A 1.25 SQUARE FOOT CITY LOGO BE APPLIED TO THE PROPOSED CHARGING STATION, WHICH MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN CODE FOR GOVERNMENTAL SIGNAGE AND DOES NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT BECAUSE IT IS A GOVERNMENT SIGN.
THE APPLICANT MAY ALSO WISH, WISH TO INCLUDE SOME FUTURE TEMPORARY AND OR PERMANENT EDUCATIONAL SIGNS TO EXPLAIN HOW TO USE THE CHARGER AND HOW THE CHARGER ADDRESSES THE CITY'S OVERALL SUSTAINABILITY GOALS.
A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING PLAN APPROVAL WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR EITHER SIGN.
A SIGN PERMIT WOULD NORMALLY BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD FOR PERMANENT SIGNAGE.
IN THIS CASE, STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT ALLOWS PERMANENT SIGNS BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED BY STAFF.
STILL WITH THE CZ PA ADJACENT TO THE CHARGING STATION, THERE ARE ALSO PROPOSED SITE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH ARE PICTURED FOR REFERENCE BUT ARE NOT WITHIN A RB PURVIEW.
THIS INCLUDES INSTALLATION OF NEW BIKE RACKS AND MICRO MOBILITY ICONOGRAPHY ADDED TO THE PARKING SPACE PER CODE.
THESE SITE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY REQUIRE APPROVAL FROM CITY ENGINEER.
THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW CRITERIA ARE MET, MET WITH CONDITIONS OR NOT APPLICABLE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS PER THE STAFF REPORT.
THE APPLICANT SHALL APPLY FOR A-C-Z-P-A THROUGH COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT FOR ANY TEMPORARY EDUCATIONAL SIGNAGE FOR THE E-BIKE CHARGING STATION.
AND ALL PERMANENT SIGNS FOR THE PROJECT SHALL BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED BY COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.
AND PERMANENT SIGN PERMITS SHALL BE OBTAINED THROUGH BUILDING STANDARDS.
WITH THAT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD.
ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS? THE ONLY QUESTION IN THE, ARE YOU GONNA BLOCK THE, LET'S SEE, IT'S GONNA BE A PARKING LOT.
YOU'RE GONNA, IT'LL BE BLOCKED OFF.
I MEAN, JUST TO MAKE SURE SOME FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT THAT A CAR CAN'T END UP IN THAT SPACE IN THERE.
YOU'RE GONNA PUT CAR PARKING BLOCKS THERE AND MAYBE I'LL LOOK OVER HERE TO YOU.
MAYBE WE'LL GO WITH THIS ON THIS, THIS WAY.
I AM WITH THE CITY'S DIVISION OF TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY.
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THE ADDRESS IS 65 55 SHI RINGS ROAD.UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE PARKING SPOT IS MOSTLY ENCLOSED ON THREE SIDES.
WHICH IS HELPFUL FROM THE LANDSCAPE BEDS.
WHAT WE'LL BE DOING IS PUTTING PAINT DOWN AS WELL AS THE BICYCLE RACKS.
UM, WE HAVE CONTEMPLATED ANOTHER BOLLARD PERHAPS, BUT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, IF IT'S NEEDED WE'LL INSTALL IT, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THE INITIAL SCOPE.
WAS THE GRAPHIC, UM, ON THE PRESENTATION, THE GREEN, WAS THAT JUST TO SHOW US OR ARE YOU GOING TO PAINT THE AREA GREEN? IT WOULD BE PAINTED GREEN, I THINK.
'CAUSE I HAD THE SAME REACTION SEAN DID.
I CAN SEE SOMEBODY PULLING INTO THAT.
THEY'RE USED TO, USED TO PARKING IN THAT SPACE, UM, MAYBE IN THE EVENING AND HITTING THOSE.
SO IF IT ANYTHING YOU CAN DO, PAINTING IT GREEN OR ANYTHING, YOU CAN DO IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A PARK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LIGHT WILL COME OFF.
IT JUST LOOK LIKE A PARKING SPACE.
JUST MAKE SURE SOMEBODY KNOWS IT, HIT IT OR HIT SOMEBODY IN IT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S ALMOST ALL STAFF HERE NOW,
YOU PROBABLY WANNA ALL GO HOME.
SO, UM, HAVE, HAVE WE HAD ANYTHING SUBMITTED REGARDING THIS? WE HAVE NOT.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA,
IS, UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW? SURE.
I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.
[Case #23-081 Alternative Materials ]
ITEM THIS EVENING IS, UM, DISCUSSION OF THE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS.UM, WE HAVE INCLUDED A MEMO AND AN ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS DRAFT IN THE PACKET.
UM, THE BOTH APPROVED THE CONTENT AS WELL AS THE FORMATTING AND THE, UM, INFORMATION THAT WE HAD INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENT STAFF HAS FURTHER REVISED IT AND WE HAVE INCLUDED THE FINAL DRAFT IN YOUR PACKET.
STAFF IS REQUESTING YOU TO PROVIDE YOUR COMMENTS, UM, AND HAVE A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE DOCUMENT.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS, PROVIDE US BY THE NEXT MEETING DATE, WHICH IS MARCH 27TH.
AND BASED ON THE COMMENTS RECEIVED, IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY'RE MINOR CHANGES, WE ARE ANTICIPATING IT TO BE ADOPTED AT OUR SPECIAL A RB MEETING, WHICH IS IN APRIL.
UM, IT'S JUST TO REQUEST YOU TO PROVIDE A COMMENTS AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE THE REVIEW OF THE DOCUMENT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
SO YOU, YOU NEED THE COMMENTS E BEFORE OR CAN THEY BE MARCH 27TH BEFORE? CAN THEY BE BEFORE OR AFTER? YEAH, OF COURSE.
THIS CAN BE AT MEETING BEFORE.
SO IT COULD BE AT, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA, SO.
I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GIVING US THIS MUCH TIME.
YEAH, I READ IT AND IT LOOKS, UH, I LIKE THE, FOR THE FORMAT LOOKS GOOD, HUH? OKAY.
I HAVEN'T READ THE DETAILS, BUT IT LOOKS GOOD.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, NO.
[COMMUNICATIONS ]
ALL RIGHT.AS FAR AS, UM, COMMUNICATIONS GO, I DON'T HAVE ANY FORMAL COMMUNICATIONS THIS MONTH.
FEELS LIKE WE'VE HAD A BAZILLION COMMUNICATIONS RECENTLY AND ALMOST AS MANY CASES YOU WILL SEE QUITE A FEW CASES FOR MARCH AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS SPECIAL MEETING AS RTI MENTIONED FOR ADOPTION OF THE, UM, ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS.
GREG DALE WILL BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THE SECOND PHASE OF OUR CODE UPDATE AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT HAVING A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SPECIAL AREA PLAN, WHICH IS PART OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THAT.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD JUST FOR ME.
I'M NOT HERE NEXT MONTH, SO I MISS I MISS ALL THE FUN NEXT MONTH WITH ALL OF THE THINGS.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT IS YOUR MOTION TO ADJOURN.