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          [Case #24-002INF]
FIRST CASE. 
          THIS IS CASE 24 DASH 0 0 2 INF, DEVELOPMENT OF APPROXIMATELY 105 ACRES CONSISTING OF 105 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED UNITS AND 210 TO 420 HIGHER DENSITY UNITS. 
          THE SITE IS ZONED R RURAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF RINGS AND CAUSE GRAY ROADS. 
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          UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, MY NAME'S GREG ELLO, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND LAND PLANNER WITH THE EDGE GROUP, THREE 30 WEST SPRING STREET, SUITE THREE 50, COLUMBUS, OHIO, 4 3 2 1 5. 
          UH, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND START OUR PRESENTATION SLIDES, PLEASE? HERE WE GO. 
          UM, UH, THANK YOU AND, UH, WE'RE GLAD TO BE HERE AGAIN TONIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU WITH, UH, SOME, SOME NEW IDEAS THAT WE HOPE CAN GET, UH, A DEVELOPMENT SOLUTION ON THIS SITE. 
          UM, I WANNA THANK SARAH AND THE STAFF FOR, UH, ENCOURAGING US TO PURSUE SOME OF THESE IDEAS WITH SOME, UH, ADJUSTMENTS IN OUR DENSITIES AND WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED ON THE SITE AND, AND ALLOWING US TO PRESENT TONIGHT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS GONNA GONNA START OFF TONIGHT WITH OUR FOOTBALL ANALOGIES, BUT I FIGURED FOOTBALL SEASON'S OVER FOLKS. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA MAYBE TRY A NEW ANALOGY. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS MAYBE A MATH PROBLEM, ALGEBRA, BASIC ALGEBRA WE'RE SOLVING FOR X TONIGHT. 
          UM, AND IN, IN OUR SOLUTION X IS GONNA BE WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL, UH, DEVELOPMENT ZONE B, THE NORTHERN PORTION, UM, AND, OR, I'M SORRY, DEVELOPMENT ZONE A. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK MOSTLY 
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ABOUT TONIGHT AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU FOR A LOT OF INPUT ON. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAYBE FILL YOU IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          YOU KNOW, STEVE AND I WENT BACK AND, AND THE TEAM, AND WE JUST KIND OF RECONSIDERED WHERE WE WERE AND HOW WE CAN MOVE THIS SOLUTION FORWARD. 
          AND, AND GIVEN, GIVEN SOME OF THE PARAMETERS AND THE COMMENTS AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID ANOTHER ANALYSIS ON OUR BUILDABLE VERSUS NON BUILDABLE AREAS ON THE SITE. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE, WE REALLY LOOKED AT BACKING OUT THE, THE TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD ACREAGE, UM, ASSIGNING 150 FOOT SETBACKS ALONG CAUSEWAY ROAD, ALONG TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD, ALONG THE RAILROAD. 
          WE'VE BACKED OUT ALL OF THE PRELIMINARY DELINEATED WETLANDS AND THEIR BUFFERS. 
          WE'VE BACKED OUT ALL OF THE WOODLANDS, ALL OF THE TREE ROWS. 
          WE'VE BACKED OUT, UH, THE LANDMARK TREES AND ALL THE LANDMARK TREE BUFFERS. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE FIND THAT WE'RE ENDING UP WITH ON THE SITE IS WE HAVE NON BUILDABLE AREAS ON OUR SITE OF ABOUT 60 ACRES. 
          OUR SITE IS ABOUT 105, UH, WHICH LEAVES US ABOUT, UH, 45 ACRES TO BUILD ON. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING BUILDABLE. 
          UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON, UH, ON OUR EXHIBIT C THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET, WE'RE CALLING THIS KIND OF THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK. 
          YOU KNOW, REALLY DEFINING WHAT, WHAT IS BUILDABLE AND NON BUILDABLE AND WHERE THAT IS ON THE SITE. 
          AND YOU CAN REALLY START TO SEE THAT THERE ARE TWO LARGER AREAS THAT ARE BUILDABLE AND TWO SMALLER AREAS, UM, THAT ARE BUILDABLE. 
          HOWEVER, THOSE AREAS ARE REALLY LOCATED IN A, IN A, IN A ZONE THAT WE THINK, UM, COULD CREATE A SIGNIFICANT ASSET TO THE SITE. 
          UM, SO AS WE LOOKED AT ASSIGNING LAND USES GENERALLY TO THE SITE, WE REALLY BACKED THOSE AREAS OUT AND CREATED A, A LARGE OPEN SPACE PRESERVE, KIND OF IN THE NORTHEASTERN THIRD OF THE SITE, WHICH REALLY THEN PUSHES MOST OF OUR DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTHERN ZONE. 
          AND THE SOUTHERN ZONE THAT YOU SEE IN, IN THE SHADES OF PINK, UM, OPEN SPACE ON THE SITE, UH, IS AT THIS STAGE IS AT ABOUT 50%. 
          UM, STAFF HAS ENCOURAGED US, AND WE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT AND TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE CONSERVATION RESOLUTION, UH, PRINCIPLES INTO THIS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS. 
          LARGE SETBACKS, PRESERVATION OF NATURAL FEATURES, UM, UH, RESERVATION OF ABOUT 50% OF THE SITE. 
          SO, AS I MENTIONED, THE, UM, THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR TWO, TWO AREAS FOR DEVELOPMENT ON OUR SITE, UH, IN THIS IDEA. 
          UM, SO AS WE START TO TALK ABOUT EACH OF THESE BUILDABLE AREAS, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON THE, WE REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON THE ONE ON THE NORTHERN AREA. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU TONIGHT IS STARTS TO RELATE TO DENSITY AND BUILDING TYPE. 
          AND IN OUR MIND, THOSE THINGS RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER. 
          THEY'RE RELATED BUILDING TYPE EQUALS DENSITY, DENSITY EQUALS BUILDING TYPE. 
          UM, AND AS I SAID, KIND OF USING THE ALGEBRA PROBLEM, WE'RE STARTING WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDS FOR THE SITE. 
          AND THAT'S FROM THREE UNITS PER ACRE UP TO FIVE UNITS PER ACRE. 
          SO THAT'S ANYWHERE FROM ABOUT 315 UNITS TO ABOUT 525 UNITS ON THE SITE. 
          UM, STEIN HOMES, UH, THEY WANNA BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION, WHICH IS ABOUT 26 ACRES. 
          THAT COMES OUT TO ABOUT 105 UNITS. 
          UM, SO USING OUR MATH, UM, AND SOLVING FOR X, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY ON THAT NORTHERN SITE FOR PLUS OR MINUS 200 UNITS, THE PLUS OR MINUS 400 UNITS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S QUITE A RANGE. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS HOW DO WE, WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE DENSITY THERE? WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE BUILDING TYPE? UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE LOOKING FOR A DEVELOPMENT PARTNER TO BEST FULFILL THAT VISION FOR THAT SITE. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE A BUILDER FOR THAT SITE AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, SCHOTTENSTEIN HOMES WILL BUILD THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE SOUTH, HOWEVER, THEY WILL NOT BE BUILDING, UH, WHAT WE THINK THE PRODUCT WILL BE ON THE NORTHERN PIECE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS INPUT FROM YOU A DISCUSSION ON BUILDING MASSING, BUILDING HEIGHT, NUMBER OF UNITS, UM, HOW THEY RELATE, HOW IT RELATES TO THE STREETS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE GONNA INFORM US, UM, ON WHO BEST CAN FULFILL THAT AND BUILD THAT VISION. 
          UH, WHAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN NOW IS, IS OUR, UM, I'M GONNA CALL IT OUR SCHEMATIC SITE PLAN. 
          IT'S A LITTLE, GOT A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON IT THAN THE LAND USE PLAN, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MAJOR, UM, 
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CONTRIBUTING FACTORS ON THE SITE IS THE, IS THE, UH, PROPOSED THOROUGHFARE FOR TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD, WHICH KIND OF RUNS THROUGH THE SOUTHERN THIRD OF THE SITE, SOUTH OF THAT AREA, UM, IN WHAT WE'RE CALLING BUILD ZONE B. 
          THAT WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          UM, AND WE THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AN EVOLUTION OF THE, THE PRODUCT THAT WE HAD ALREADY PRESENTED IN THE PUD. 
          UM, WE THOUGHT WE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THAT. 
          UH, WE LIKE THE PRODUCT, UH, WE THINK WE CAN EVOLVE THAT TO REALLY MATCH, UM, AND, AND, AND CELEBRATE THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES AND, AND BE A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR THAT. 
          UM, THE, UH, THE NORTHERN PORTION WOULD BE ACCESSED FROM COS GRAY ROAD. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IS TO GO OUT AND SECURE A POTENTIAL SECONDARY ACCESS POINT TO RINGS ROAD. 
          AND WHAT WE THINK THAT DOES IS IT STARTS TO PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, UH, THE, UH, AMLIN MIXED USE VILLAGE THAT'S CONTEMPLATED IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON OUR, ON OUR SCHEMATIC HERE, WE'VE ACTUALLY JUST KIND OF DASHED IN HOW, HOW SOME OF THOSE BLOCKS MIGHT DEVELOP IN THOSE AREAS AND HOW THAT SECONDARY CONNECTION COULD, COULD START TO CREATE A, A PRETTY NICE FRAMEWORK FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT HOW THAT FRAMEWORK COULD PROCESS SOUTH, SOUTH TOWARDS THE, UH, TOTAL CROSSING BOULEVARD. 
          UM, SO WE'RE NOT JUST THINKING ABOUT OUR SITE, WE'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT HOW THAT MIGHT, UH, BE A CATALYST FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE, THE MIXED USE VILLAGE. 
          UM, I THINK WE'RE ALSO COGNIZANT THAT THAT MAY BE A LONG WAY OFF AND THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT PIECE MAY NEED TO STAND ON ITS OWN FOR A WHILE. 
          SO WE ALSO WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO, TO, TO ACT AS ITS OWN AND, AND, AND HAVE ALL THE BENEFITS THAT, THAT, UH, THAT RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE AMLIN VILLAGE WOULD, WOULD NEED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE COMMUNITY PLAN REALLY TALKS ABOUT THAT AREA AS BEING SUPPORT TO COMMERCIAL IN THAT FUTURE AMLIN, UH, MIXED USE AREA. 
          UM, WE THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, GOOD SOLUTION. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE ALL KNOW, I THINK THAT TO SUPPORT COMMERCIAL, YOU NEED ROOFTOPS, YOU NEED PEOPLE, UH, YOU NEED PEOPLE WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY THAT, THAT MAKES IT WALKABLE. 
          UM, SO WE THINK THAT'S WHY THE, THAT THIS AREA BEING CONTEMPLATED FOR A LITTLE HIGHER DENSITY STARTS TO MAKE SOME SENSE. 
          UM, I THINK SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS, THIS SCHEMATIC AT THIS POINT, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S THE SIGNIFICANT PRESERVATION OF THE, UH, NORTHERN THIRD OF THE NORTHERN NORTHEASTERN THIRD OF THE SITE. 
          IT'S ABOUT 35 ACRES, UM, THAT ALLOWS US TO, TO, UM, TO PRESENT, UH, ACTIVE AND PASSIVE OPEN SPACES. 
          UM, IT ALLOWS US TO CREATE, UH, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY NORTH AND SOUTH. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER ADVANTAGES ALONG WITH OUR, UM, SECONDARY ACCESS IS THAT WE CAN THEN EXTEND BIKE, A BIKE PATH NETWORK UP TO RINGS ROAD, UM, AND INTRODUCE ACCESS TO THE PARK FROM RINGS ROAD. 
          UM, AND IT PROBABLY SETS UP NICELY IN THE FUTURE FOR AN EXTENSION OF THAT PRESERVATION AREA. 
          I THINK AS YOU MOVE NORTH ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS, UM, ADJACENT TO THAT FUTURE MIXED USE VILLAGE . 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON OUR, ON OUR EXHIBIT, OUR, OUR DATA , YOU KNOW, USUALLY, USUALLY WE'RE PRESENTING A PLAN AND WE'RE ASKING FOR, FOR A REACTION. 
          AND, AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY ASKING FOR TONIGHT IS WE'RE TRYING TO BE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE THAN TO, TO GET REACTION. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY ASKING YOU HERE TONIGHT, AND I'LL GET INTO THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS HERE TOWARDS THE END OF, UH, THE SLIDESHOW. 
          UM, I WANNA START TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT BUILDING TYPES, UM, AND HOW THOSE RELATE, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, UH, AND HOW THOSE RELATES, HOW THAT RELATES TO DENSITY. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE SITE, THE COMMUNITY PLAN RECOMMENDS THREE TO FIVE DUS PER ACRE FOR THE GROSS AREA. 
          UM, AND WE THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE END UP ON THIS. 
          IT'S PROBABLY REASONABLE TO THINK THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE RANGE OF THAT TO THE HIGHER END, GIVEN SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT, THAT WE CAN PROVIDE AND SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THROUGH THIS SITE PLAN. 
          UM, THIS WAS MY, MY ATTEMPT AT SOME MATH HERE TO KIND OF START TO SHOW, GIVEN, GIVEN WHAT'S LEFT WITH 210 UNITS, WHAT, WHAT BUILDING TYPES, UM, ACCOMMODATE 210 UNITS. 
          WELL, IF WE BACK OUT THE 105 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, THAT'S TYPICALLY BUILT AT ABOUT FOUR, FOUR TO THE ACRE AT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, IT LEAVES US WITH 16 ACRES TO BUILD ON WITH 210 UNITS. 
          THAT, THAT RELATES TO ABOUT A 13 DDU PER ACRE DEVELOPMENT. 
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AND IN OUR MINDS, THAT'S TYPICALLY AN ATTACHED, AN ATTACHED PRODUCT, TOWN HOME TYPE PRODUCT, OR A COMBINATION OF SOME ATTACHED AND STACKED, UH, STACKED GARDEN TYPE UNITS TO GET THAT DENSITY. 
          THE, THE, A COMBINATION LIKE THAT WOULD PROBABLY YIELD ABOUT 15 DEPENDING ON WHO, WHO WOULD BE BUILDING THAT, UH, ON THE RIGHT SIDE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SCENARIO B, THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD HIT THE MAX, THE MAX DENSITY FOR THE SITE AT FIVE. 
          UM, BACKING OUT THE 105 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS LEAVES US 420 UNITS TO FIT ON 16 ACRES. 
          SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A DENSITY OF 26 VIEWS TO THE ACRE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S TYPICALLY, WE CAN PROBABLY ACCOMPLISH THAT THROUGH A THREE STORY STACKED, UM, GARDEN TYPE PRODUCT. 
          SO YOU START TO SEE WE'RE, WE'RE PLAYING A MATH GAME AND WE'RE ALSO PLAYING KIND OF A, A BUILDING FORM GAME HERE, WHAT NUMBERS WE NEED TO MAKE THE SITE WORK AND WHAT THOSE NUMBERS RELATE TO AS FAR AS BUILDING TYPES GO. 
          SO STAFF IN OUR MEETINGS WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE, THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, STA STAFF HAS MADE RECOMMENDATIONS AS THEY AS, AS THEY'VE SEEN OUR PLANS TO ALSO CONSIDER, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT  THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN OUR PACKET, BUT THEY WOULD BE SIDE BY SIDE DUPLEXES, STACK DUPLEXES, UM, FOURPLEXES COURTYARD BUILDINGS, UM, COTTAGE COURTS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE ON THIS DIAGRAM HERE, UM, WHICH IS A, A PRETTY STANDARD DIAGRAM TO ILLUSTRATE WHAT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING IS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE BUILDING TYPES AS STAFF RECOMMENDED ON THE LEFT. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED IT FROM THE APPLICANT ON THE RIGHT, MORE OF A TOWN, HOME STACKED GARDEN TYPE OF, UH, UH, BUILDING TYPE. 
          THEY'RE ALL MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING PRODUCTS. 
          UM, HOWEVER, AS YOU GO LEFT, IT'S LESS DENSE AS YOU GO, RIGHT? IT'S MORE DENSE. 
          AND SO I, I HOPE, HOPE WHAT YOU CAN START TO SEE IS I'M STARTING TO START TO TRY TO TIE NUMBERS OF UNITS THAT WE HAVE TO BUILD ON WITH BUILDING TYPES THAT, THAT HELPS MAKE THAT WORK. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH REALLY QUICKLY AND SHOW SOME EXAMPLES OF, OF THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES THAT WE MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE, THE, UH, STACK DUPLEXES. 
          THESE ARE, THESE ARE, UH, BUILDING TYPES THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          IN ADDITION TO OUR, UM, PROPOSAL IN THE, IN THE PACKET. 
          THIS WOULD BE EXAMPLES OF KIND OF STACKED FOURPLEXES. 
          THESE ARE, ARE EXAMPLES OF COURTYARD BUILDINGS. 
          UH, UH, THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF COTTAGE COURTYARDS. 
          AND I THINK WHAT YOU START TO THINK OF IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THE TRI VILLAGE AREA, GRANDVIEW, UH, NORTHWEST BOULEVARD, FIFTH AVENUE, THIRD AVENUE, THO THO THOSE TYPE THOSE AREAS, UH, REALLY SUPPORT THOSE TYPES OF PRODUCTS. 
          AND A LOT OF THESE WERE BUILT BACK IN THE FORTIES. 
          UM, SO ANYWHERE AROUND TOWN BUILT OUT IN, OUT IN THE FORTIES, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF THIS. 
          AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE MIXED, MIXED IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, TODAY WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A LOT OF THESE ARE INFILL TYPE TYPE PRODUCTS. 
          UM, NOT REALLY DONE ON A MASS, A MASS SCALE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S GONNA LEAD ME TO KIND OF OUR, OUR, UH, OUR THOUGHTS ON HOW TO ACHIEVE THE DENSITY AND A BILLING TYPE THAT HELPS TO CREATE THAT VILLAGE CHARACTER. 
          UM, AND SO WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AN ATTACHED PRODUCT THAT INCLUDES TWO STORY TOWN HOMES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, UM, AND WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER AND GIVE US FEEDBACK ON, UH, THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT STACKED GARDENS COULD BE. 
          UM, THESE COULD BE TWO AND A HALF, THREE, THREE STORIES, AND THEN AGAIN, SOME OTHER EXAMPLES OF, OF ATTACHED, UH, TOWN HOME TYPE PRODUCTS. 
          UM, AND JUST SO I CAN GET, WE CAN FINISH THIS UP QUICKLY AND, AND GET TO MAYBE SOME DISCUSSION POINTS. 
          UH, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR FROM YOU TONIGHT AND WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S SOME BASIC THINGS, YOU KNOW, IS THE 150 FOOT SETBACK, WHICH IS GREATER THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, A LITTLE LESS THAN WHAT'S RECOMMENDED. 
          IS THAT APPROPRIATE? UM, OUR LAND USE ARRANGEMENT IS THE LOWER DENSITY ON THE SOUTH APPROPRIATE VERSUS THE HIGHER DENSITY TO THE NORTH. 
          AND AND THE VARIATION BETWEEN THOSE TWO, UM, THE LAND USE ARRANGEMENT RELATIVE TO A SIGNIFICANT PARK AREA IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? CAN THAT BE EXPANDED ON IN THE FUTURE? UM, BUILDING 
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ZONE A, WHAT IS AN APPROPRIATE DENSITY THERE? UH, WHAT, WHAT'S THE NUMBER? WHAT, WHAT IS THAT X WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR? UM, AND THAT, AND THAT RELATES TO THE BUILDING MASSING IN THE FORMS, THE BUILDING TYPES THAT WE WENT THROUGH. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S ALSO APPROPRIATE TO TALK ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHTS, UM, AND SOME ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          UM, I DON'T WANNA BE DISMISSIVE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN MOVE THOSE ALONG IN THE FUTURE, UM, TO REALLY MAKE THOSE WORK BASED ON THE, THE POSITIVE FEEDBACK WE'VE HAD SO FAR. 
          SO WHERE WE REALLY WANT YOU TO FOCUS, AT LEAST FROM OUR END TO HELP US FIND THAT RIGHT PARTNER TO SOLVE THIS SOLUTION, UH, IS TO FOCUS ON THAT BUILDING ZONE A, UM, SO I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE CHAIR AND WE'LL BE AROUND TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHILLA. 
          MS. HOLT, I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR STAFF PRESENTATION AND RECOMMENDATION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UH, AS YOU MENTIONED MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS INDEED AN INFORMAL REVIEW AND LOOKING AT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, THIS IS AN INITIAL OPTIONAL STEP TO GAIN NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR A PROPOSAL. 
          AND THE GOAL IS TO TALK ABOUT LAND USE, LAYOUT, CIRCULATION, OPEN SPACE ARRANGEMENT, INTEGRATION WITH ADJACENT AREAS. 
          NO DETERMINATION IS GIVEN AT THIS POINT. 
          THE SITE IS SHOWN HERE IN YELLOW. 
          IT'S APPROXIMATELY 105 ACRES. 
          IT IS ZONED OUR RURAL DISTRICT. 
          IT'S ADJACENT TO THE VILLAGE OF AMLIN AND WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP RURAL AREAS. 
          AND IT'S ALSO ADJACENT TO THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, WHICH IS A NEO-TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH. 
          THIS IS THE GENERAL SITE AREA SUPERIMPOSED ON THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN, AVERY WEST DETAIL. 
          AND THIS AREA PLAN IS A REFINEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION WITHIN THE CITY. 
          IT SHOWS THE OLD ALIGNMENT OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD, BUT NEVERTHELESS STILL HAS SOME VALID CONCEPTS. 
          AND AT THE LAST FEW HEARINGS, THE COMMISSION AGREED THAT SOME OF THESE IDEAS ARE NOT APPLICABLE, BUT OTHERS ARE SO IMPORTANT CONCEPTS TO POINT OUT. 
          THE RED AREA IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER IS MEANT TO BE A GATEWAY FOR THE VILLAGE OF AMLIN. 
          LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, SOME COMMISSIONER SUPPORTED THIS CONCEPT, THE RAILROAD, UH, WHICH IS ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          AND THE TU CROSSING BOULEVARD BUFFERS WERE ACCEPTABLE TO REDUCE SOMEWHAT, AND THAT WAS BASED ON COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          AND THEN THE LIGHT GREEN AREA TO THE SOUTH, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY FOR LOW DENSITY, WAS ALSO THOUGHT TO BE ACCEPTABLE TO INCREASE IN DENSITY, AGAIN, BASED ON COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          SOME BRIEF HISTORY. 
          UM, , THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND IN A NUMBER OF, UH, NUMBER OF ITERATIONS OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. 
          AND AGAIN, SOME DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE THE SETBACKS AND THE BUFFERING ALONG THE MAJOR ROADS AND THE RAILROAD, THE TOWN HOME CHARACTER, THE ARRANGEMENT OF OPEN SPACE, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER. 
          AND THEN POTENTIAL CONFLICTS WITH ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES. 
          MOST RECENTLY, THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE REZONING REQUEST WAS TABLED IN LATE 2023. 
          SO TONIGHT'S SITE PLAN FOR CONSIDERATION INCLUDES SOME KEY UPDATES AS PREVIOUSLY SHOWN BY THE APPLICANT. 
          I WANNA POINT OUT JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, UM, HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU SAW THIS APPLICATION. 
          THE NORTH SOUTH CONNECTING ROAD BETWEEN THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS HAS BEEN REMOVED, AND STAFF DOES HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, THE ENTIRE WOODLAND AND WETLAND AREA IN THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE SITE HAS BEEN PRESERVED. 
          AND THEN WE SEE A POTENTIAL NEW CONNECTION TO RINGS ROAD AS HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN. 
          AND AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, AREA A HAS TWO OPTIONS RANGING FROM 210 TO 420 MULTIFAMILY UNITS DESCRIBED AS GARDEN OR TOWNHOME UNITS. 
          AND IN THIS PROPOSAL, THE TREE ROW WOULD BE LOST, AND WE'RE ASKING THE COMMISSION TO COMMENT ON THAT AS A TRADE-OFF FOR THAT 
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ENTIRE WOODLAND WETLAND AREA TO BE PRESERVED. 
          STAFF HAS REQUESTED, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THAT FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE ARE REQUESTING UNITS THAT APPEAR TO BE A NATURAL OUTGROWTH OF THE VILLAGE OF AMLIN. 
          AND SO WE'RE REQUESTING SOME COMMENTS ON THOSE HOUSING TYPES. 
          AREA B IN THE SOUTH, AGAIN, IS PROPOSED FOR 105 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED UNITS. 
          WE HAVE SOME REMAINING QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT ARE NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, INCLUDING LOT COVERAGE, THE INCLUSION OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, WHICH WE DON'T BELIEVE WILL FIT ON THOSE LOTS. 
          UM, THE GARAGE DOOR SETBACK FROM THE MAIN FACADE, SO THE COMMISSION'S ALSO ASKED TO COMMENT ON THAT. 
          AREA C IS INTENDED FOR PARKS, TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD RIGHT OF WAY AND SLOPE EASEMENTS AS IT CROSSES THE RAILROAD TRACK AND STORMWATER FACILITIES. 
          BUFFERS ARE SHOWN AT 150 FEET FOR COS GRAY TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD. 
          AND THE RAILROAD, THE LAST SUBMITTAL WAS APPROXIMATELY 100 FOOT BUFFERS. 
          THE COMMUNITY PLAN ANTICIPATES 200 FOOT BUFFERS, AND THE COMMISSION'S PREVIOUSLY BEEN FLEXIBLE, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR CONFIRMATION OF THAT AS WELL. 
          WE NOTE THAT SETBACKS WERE THE VILLAGE OF AMLIN AND THE SOUTHERN BORDER ARE SHOWN AT 25 FEET, WHICH IS A MINIMUM PER CODE. 
          THE SOUTHERN BORDER HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AS AN AREA TO REALLY CREATE A, A BRIGHT LINE BETWEEN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS AND THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO COMMENT ON THAT. 
          SO WITH THAT, WE PREPARED SOME DISCUSSION QUESTIONS. 
          DOES THIS APPROACH MEET THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN? IS THE COMMISSION SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT? IS THE COMMISSION SUPPORTIVE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL INSPIRATION OFFERED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AT, AGAIN, THIS IS PRIMARILY FOR THE NORTHERN AREA, AND THEN ANY ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS BY THE COMMISSION. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HOLT. 
          LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH STAFF AND FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, MR. SUPAK, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? MS. HOLT, WHILE YOU'RE STILL THERE, CAN YOU BRING UP THE, AGAIN, THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, SPECIFICALLY THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF IT? UM, I'M GOING TO THE RINGS AND CAUSE GREAT SORT OF INTERSECTION. 
          AND YOU ALLUDED TO GATEWAY AM LAND GATEWAY, RIGHT? THE RED BODIES IN PARTICULAR. 
          CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT ZONING WE'RE WAITING FOR? UM, THERE IT IS. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          UM, THE AREA IN QUESTION IS UP IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER, AND THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN IS NOT TERRIBLY SPECIFIC, BUT IT DOES ENVISION SOME KIND OF ENTRY FEATURE FOR AMLIN, SOME KIND OF MIXED USE, SUPPORTIVE NODE OF SOME KIND IN THAT LOCATION. 
          AND AS WE SEE THAT LOCATION DOES FALL ON THIS SITE. 
          DOES THAT, AND RELATIVE TO THAT, JUST TO UNPACK IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE, SO MIXED USE SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S COMMERCIAL INTEGRATED SOUNDS, LIKE MIGHT HAVE SOME SCALE TO IT. 
          IT COULD, IT COULD BE, UH, IT COULD RANGE FROM THAT SORT OF VISION ON ONE END TO PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF, UM, SIGNAGE WITH A PARK OR A, YOU KNOW, AN ENTRY FEATURE INTO AMLIN. 
          MM-HMM, , UM, AGAIN, IT, IT COULD BE A WIDE RANGE OF OPTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, I HAVE ANOTHER, AND THIS MIGHT, WE MIGHT GET A LITTLE DEEP HERE ON THIS, BUT I GUESS I'M ASKING OPENLY AMONGST US AN INTERESTING QUESTION, RIGHT? WE, WE HAVE CODE, WE HAVE CODES AND PLANS WITH TARGET DENSITIES, FOR INSTANCE. 
          AND OF COURSE, SO THIS SITE TARGET DENSITY IS THREE TO FIVE UNITS PER ACRE. 
          OF COURSE, 60% OF THIS SITE IS NOT REALLY IN PLAY. 
          SO THEN WE END UP, RIGHT? AND, AND OF COURSE IF WE, IF WE APPLY THREE TO FIVE ACROSS THIS SITE, IT'S A PRETTY, UH, IT'S A PRETTY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, RIGHT? IT'S, UM, NOT VERY DENSE IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. 
          BUT BECAUSE WE'RE PLAYING GAMES WITH THE MATH AND, AND CONCENTRATING THESE POCKETS, ALL OF A SUDDEN 
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WE END UP WITH WHAT I THINK PROPOSED 13 AND 16. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? 13. 
          WELL, I'LL JUST SAY 13, UM, DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE TIGHTLY PACKED INTO SORT OF CHOICE, CHOICE POCKETS CONCENTRATED. 
          AND, UM, MAYBE IT'S AS MUCH A QUESTION AS ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? THE WAY IT'S, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, THE MATH IS POTENTIALLY, UM, WITH THE CONCENTRATIONS AND THE UNBUILDABLE AREAS, IT'S STARTING TO WORK OUT. 
          BUT IS THERE MORE TO THE INTENT AROUND THE THREE TO FIVE ACRES? I I, IF I COULD PIGGYBACK ON THAT, MAYBE BROADEN THE QUESTION. 
          UH, WE HAVE FUTURE LAND USE, WE HAVE COMMUNITY PLANS THAT ARE ADOPTED PLANTS. 
          WE HAVE THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN THAT APPLIES TO 1500 ACRES. 
          AND IS THAT 30,000 FOOT OVERVIEW, THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN DOCUMENTATION CALLS OUT A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES WITHIN THE 1500 ACRES. 
          CAN YOU TALK THROUGH THE INTENT OF THE CITY IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN WITH THOSE BROAD STROKES ON, ON HOUSING TYPES AND DENSITIES AND HOW THOSE FILTER DOWN TO INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE APPLICATION THIS EVENING? DO YOU, JENNY, THIS MAY, DO YOU WANNA JENNY, BASED ON THE NEW COMMUNITY PLAN OR, YEAH, SO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AGAIN, IS LOOKING HOLISTICALLY AT THE CITY, RIGHT? WHAT ARE THESE VARIETY OF USES? UM, YOU'RE GIVING GOOD PREVIEW FOR MY PRESENTATION LATER TODAY. 
          UM, BUT HOW DOES THAT LOOK AT THE CITY AS A WHOLE? AND THEN THE SPECIAL AREA PLANS ARE REALLY DRILLING DOWN TO THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS, UM, AND WHAT WE WANT THAT CHARACTER TO LOOK LIKE. 
          SO, UM, I GUESS TO YOUR QUESTION, I MEAN THE, THE SOUTHWEST AREA IS REALLY LOOKING AT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THAT FITS IN AND INTEGRATES AND TRANSITIONS SORT OF TO INTO THE RURAL PORTION THAT'S CURRENT, THE CURRENT CHARACTER, BUT ALSO TO THAT AMLIN, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE LOOKING, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, BUT THEN DOWN TO THE SMALL WITH THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN. 
          UM, HISTORICALLY WHEN WE HAVE BIGGER SITES, AND YOU'RE ONLY DEVELOPING ON PORTIONS OF THAT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAD, BUT WE'RE LOOKING, I MEAN, THEIR WHOLE SITE'S 105 ACRES. 
          SO FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT, WE'D BE LOOKING AT THAT NUMBERS PER ACRE FOR THE ENTIRE ACREAGE, NOT JUST THE PART THAT THEY ACTUALLY CAN, CAN DEVELOP ON OR ARE CHOOSING TO DEVELOP ON. 
          SO IF THAT MAYBE ANSWERS MR. AKS QUESTION. 
          I MEAN, IT IT DOES. 
          I, OKAY. 
          AND MAYBE IT'S, DON'T GET ME WRONG, UH, UH, BY THE WAY, KUDOS ON TRYING TO GET TO THE MARK RELATIVE TO THE BUILDABLE AREA. 
          MM-HMM, , I, I AM GOING TO, AND MAYBE IT'S A READY RECOGNITION THAT THERE'S A FLAW IN OUR CODE SOMEHOW BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO RATIONALIZE AND, UM, COGENTLY MAKE SENSE OF THREE TO FIVE UNITS IS THE INTENT. 
          WELL, THAT WOULD BY DEFAULT GIVE ME A CERTAIN SORT OF, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER WHICH AGREED PART OF THIS SITE ISN'T, ISN'T USED. 
          SO NOW I'M ENDING UP WITH, UM, I'M ENDING UP WITH ORANGE CONCENTRATE AND WATER, RIGHT, IS WHAT IT IS. 
          AND OF COURSE THAT'S NOT ORANGE JUICE, UM, TO IT. 
          AGAIN, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR OR AGAINST, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH, I MEAN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN IS LOOKING AT, IT'S NOT DRILLING DOWN TO SPECIFIC SITE DESIGN. 
          SO I MEAN, I GUESS IF YOU LOOK AT THAT GRAPHIC, RIGHT, IT SHOWS A GRIDED STREET PATTERN WITH, YOU KNOW, HIGHER INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN SOME AREAS AND MORE SUBURBAN. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SPREAD OUT OVER THE WHOLE SITE. 
          UM, I MEAN, IN THE END, ONCE YOU GET IT, IT'S PROVIDING THAT ILLUSTRATIVE DRAWING OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE. 
          I MEAN, WHEN YOU GET TO EACH SPECIFIC SITE, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S DIFFERENT SITE CONSTRAINTS THAT ARE REALLY COMING INTO PLAY. 
          UHHUH, , UM, AND WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS IN THE PAST, AND THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT WITH THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN IS RIGHT, OVERALL THE DENSITY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT ACROSS LAND IS RIGHT, IS INTENDED. 
          AND, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST THAT THIS IS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS, I'M GONNA SAY EX AN EXTREME EXAMPLE WITH 60% UN US NOT UNUSABLE UNBUILDABLE. 
          UM, SO IT'S A LIT, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NICE CASE STUDY THAT POSES A QUESTION, BUT WHAT I HEARD IN THAT IS WE EXPECT AN AMPLE AMOUNT OF VARIATION. 
          AGREED. 
          UM, AND THIS IS STILL, UH, AGAIN, IF IT POTENTIALLY HIT THREE TO FIVE ACROSS THE ENTIRETY, IT'S STILL POTENTIALLY HITTING THE MARK EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE HEAVY, HEAVY CONCENTRATIONS THAT AREN'T CLOSE TO THE THREE TO FIVE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TOO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY LOOKS AT OPEN SPACE FIRST AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO DESIGN YOUR SITE AROUND THOSE NATURAL AMENITIES. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, IN SOME OF THESE SOUTHWEST 
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AREAS, A LOT OF THOSE ARE, THERE'S NOT A LOT TO IT. 
          UM, SO IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO USE THOSE NATURAL FEATURES ON THIS SITE AND, AND BE MINDFUL OF THAT. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS SPECIAL AREA PLANS, AND AGAIN, SPECIFICALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN STANDARDS WANT YOU TO WANT YOU TO DO THAT. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION YOUR MICROPHONE IS NOT ON. 
          HOW ABOUT NOW, AARON, I ASK A QUESTION OF MS. RA AS WELL REGARDING THAT TOPIC. 
          WOULDN'T IT BE ACCURATE AS WELL THROUGH THE CONSERVATION RESOLUTION, THAT APPROACH, WHEN YOU BACK OUT 50% OF THE SITE, THE, THE CONCEPT OF CLUSTERING IS YOU DON'T REDUCE DENSITY, YOU, YOU CLUSTER IT. 
          UM, WOULD THAT BE ACCURATE? THAT THAT'S CORRECT, YES. 
          I MEAN THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE UNDERLYING TENANT OF CONSERVATION DESIGN THAT YOU'RE PRESERVING AREAS THAT NEED TO BE PRESERVED AND THEN YES, CONCENTRATING THE DEVELOPMENT ELSEWHERE, WHICH IS WHY IT'S TAKEN AS A WHOLE, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT, YES, YOU'RE NOT BEING PENALIZED ESSENTIALLY FOR PRESERVING 'CAUSE THAT'S THE INTENT. 
          SO NOW, MR. BOGS, IF I COULD HAVE YOU, UH, CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND I'M GONNA GO OUT OF TURN HERE BECAUSE WE KIND OF OPENED THE DOOR. 
          WE HAVE GUIDANCE FROM THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN THAT SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO SOME CONCERNS, PLANNING CHALLENGES, I THINK IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLED, PLANNING CHALLENGES AND ISSUES FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THIS IS 1500 ACRES, BUT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT PARCELS, UH, THAT, THAT POSE THOSE CHALLENGES. 
          THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN CALLS OUT THINGS LIKE, UH, WE NEED TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS ON RESIDENTS. 
          WE NEED TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE RAILWAY, UH, EXCUSE ME, ROADWAY AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS. 
          WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO NATURAL FEATURES. 
          AND, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, LOWER DENSITY SHOULD BE COORDINATED WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS. 
          WE NEED TO PROTECT FENCE, ROWS, WOOD LOTS, ET CETERA. 
          ADDITIONALLY, IN THE AREA, WE HAVE EASEMENTS, WE HAVE WETLANDS, WE HAVE TREE ROWS, WE HAVE, UH, PROTECTED AREAS. 
          WE WE HAVE RIPARIAN CORRIDORS, WE HAVE, UH, SETBACKS, OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THERE'S GOING TO BE PARKING AND STREETS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          SO THAT'S THE REALITY OF THIS PARTICULAR ZONE OR THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL. 
          SO THE QUESTION IS, GIVEN ALL OF THOSE REALITIES IN ONE VERY SMALL AREA, YEAH, WE HAVE THE INTENT OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          WE HAVE THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WE HAVE THE RANGE OF DENSITY THAT IS SUGGESTED FROM THREE TO FIVE UNITS, AND WE HAVE THE REALITY OF DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT KIND OF GUIDES THE CREATION OF AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY EVOLUTION GIVEN ALL OF THOSE INPUTS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AN INFORMAL REVIEW FOR A PARCEL SAYING, HEY, WHAT COULD THIS COME TO BE, UH, OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, THE MINIMIZING IMPACTS, HOW ARE THOSE TO BE BALANCED WITH DENSITY CLUSTERING IN AN AREA THAT IS GOING TO BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO SOME OF THOSE OTHER CHALLENGES WHEN THOSE APPEAR KIND OF ADULTS? YOU COULDN'T GIVE ME SOMETHING DIFFICULT ANSWER. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT FOOTBALL SEASON NO LONG, NO SOFTBALLS. 
          I MEAN, REALLY THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG REASON WHY WE HAVE A, A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND NOT JUST PASSING THE PAPER ACROSS MS. HOLT AND, UH, MS. RA'S DESKS. 
          UM, IT, THE PURPOSE OF THE INFORMAL REVIEW, OF COURSE, IS FOR THE COMMISSION TO GET AN INITIAL TASTE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO GET AN EARLY, UM, GLIMPSE INTO WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S THINKING IS. 
          THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE VIEWED THROUGH THE LENS OF YOUR NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS, WHICH WOULD BE THAT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL AND THE STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE PULL THOSE UP, OR AS I PULL THOSE UP, YOU HAVE THE PURPOSES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ACTUAL, UH, 
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PLAN APPROVAL CRITERIA THAT ARE LAID OUT, THE, THE 16 OF THOSE FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT HAS BEEN THE, UH, STAPLE OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE, AT THE PURPOSE OF THEM, WHAT YOU START OFF WITH IS WHAT PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A MIX OF LAND USES THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED WITHIN STANDARD ZONING DISTRICTS REALLY KIND OF WORKING, UH, TO GET A GREATER REVIEW OF DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS AND WORKING IN THIS KIND OF COLLABORATIVE BACK AND FORTH AS A, UH, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATION ALMOST WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OR DEVELOPER TO BALANCE OUT ALL OF THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU CITED FROM THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN. 
          DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR JUST RAMBLING? IT? IT, IT ANSWERED IT MOSTLY, I WANNA TAKE EXTREMES BECAUSE EXTREMES TEND TO ILLUSTRATE POINTS, AND THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, BUT IF I WERE TO BUY ONE ACRE OF PROPERTY IN AN R 10, 10 UNITS PER PER ACRE ARE BUILDABLE ONLY, I HAVE A RIVER RUNNING THROUGH IT. 
          MM-HMM,  AND I HAVE A A 0.05 LOT. 
          DOES THAT ZONING CODE APPLY TO A 1500 ACRE AREA? DOES THAT ZONING LAND USE ALLOW ME AUTOMATICALLY TO BUILD 10 ACRES ON MY 0.05 LOT? BECAUSE THE OVERALL AREA PLAN SAYS THAT IT'S AN R 10 ZONE. 
          I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          SO THE DENSITY IS ONE FACTOR AMONG MANY THAT ARE GOING TO DETERMINE WHAT PHYSICALLY YOU CAN PUT ON A LOT, ON ANY TRACT OF, OF LAND. 
          YOU DO HAVE NATURAL FEATURES, YOU HAVE UNNATURAL FEATURES OR OTHER CHARACTERISTICS SUCH AS IN, YOU KNOW, RAILROAD OR PERHAPS OTHER EASEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO, UH, CONSTRAIN. 
          AND MAYBE IN YOUR EXAMPLE, INSTEAD OF HAVING, INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO PHYSICALLY ACCOMMODATE 10 UNITS ON A SPOT OR, OR ON A LOT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SET, SETTLE FOR SEVEN BECAUSE ANYTHING ELSE IS JUST NOT GOING TO, UM, PHYSICALLY BE ABLE TO BE ACCOMMODATED BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE CONSTRAINTS AND MEET THE OTHER, UH, CONSIDERATIONS AND CHARACTERISTICS THAT THE, THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES. 
          THANK YOU MR. BOX. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, MOVING BACK TO QUESTIONS MR. SCHNEER. 
          UM, I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS. 
          UM, COULD YOU PUT THE SLIDE UP WITH THE GATEWAY OR THAT SHOWS, I THINK IT WAS IN RAD? YES. 
          SWAG WILL PUT THAT UP IN JUST A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I COULD PROBABLY ASK THE QUESTION WITH, I'M CONFUSED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO A PORTION OF THAT IS ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS, IS THERE AN EXPECTATION OR DESIRE FROM STAFF THAT THE APPLICANT PARTICIPATE IN SOME ASPECT OF THE GATEWAY? BECAUSE I MEAN, THE, THE GATEWAY IS JUST AN OVERLAY. 
          I MEAN, W I'LL ASK IT IN A, IN A SOPHOMORE WAY, WHY DO WE CARE WHETHER ANY PART OF THAT GATEWAY IS ON THE APPLICANT'S LAND SINCE IT'S JUST CONCEPTUAL ANYHOW, WE, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE COMMISSION OPINE ON THAT AND SEE IS IT WORTH DOING? THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS THE 30,000 FOOT VIEW, THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN IS KIND OF THE 15,000 FOOT VIEW WE'RE HONING IN, AND NOW WE'RE DOWN TO A SITE PLAN AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT INTERESTED IN DOING THAT. 
          SO WE ARE SIMPLY SAYING THAT THIS IS A POTENTIAL POINT OF DISAGREEMENT. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK ON. 
          OKAY. 
          AND NOW LET ME GO FROM 100 FEET TO 30,000 FEET. 
          WHAT, WHAT ARE WE FOCUSING ARE, ARE WE FOCUSING ON A AND B TONIGHT? BECAUSE THE APPLICANT SEEMED WAS TALKING ABOUT MAYBE MOSTLY A BUT SOME OF THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS SORT OF TALK 
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ABOUT B OR VICE VERSA. 
          THE NORTH AND SOUTH I'LL CALL IT. 
          ARE WE TO, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE CONSIDERING THE ENTIRE AREA, THE, THE ENTIRE, UH, SITE? AND THOSE QUESTIONS WILL GUIDE YOU FROM THE MOST GENERAL TO THE MOST SPECIFIC. 
          OKAY. 
          THE QUESTIONS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          COULD YOU JUST PLAY THOSE PLEASE? SURE. 
          SO IT'S THE FOUR QUESTIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED. 
          AND THEN I WANTED TO PICK UP ON, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO BE PRESCRIPTIVE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IS, UH, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. 
          CAN WE SAY THAT IF WE WERE TO BE BINARY, CAN IT BE SAID THAT THE APPLICATION MEETS ALL THE APPLICABLE, UM, PURPOSES, GUIDELINES, CRITERIA, CODE, ET CETERA? YES, IT DOES. 
          NO IT DOESN'T. 
          OR IS THERE A THIRD, WHICH I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO, WHICH IS IT DEPENDS ON HOW ONE BALANCES THE COMPETING AND POTENTIALLY MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE ASPECTS OF THOSE VARIOUS OVERLAY OF GUIDELINES AND PLANS AND CODE, ET CETERA. 
          SO THERE'S THREE CHOICES AND ANY, AND IT'S UP, IT'S, IT'S JEOPARDY. 
          ANYBODY CAN ANSWER. 
          SO, UH, I'LL, UH, HIT MY BUZZER AND ANSWER DOOR NUMBER THREE. 
          YEAH, SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS PLANNED DISTRICT PROCESS IS ULTIMATELY AT THIS STAGE IT IS A LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. 
          AND SO THERE IS THAT, UM, BALANCING OF CONSIDERATIONS, CHOOSING BETWEEN IMPERFECT CONDITIONS THAT IS INHERENT IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. 
          UM, I AGREE. 
          WELL, I AGREE. 
          YEAH, WHAT IT'S WORTH AND WELL STATED BECAUSE I THINK THAT PUTS A, A DIFFERENT BRUSH ON THIS AND FRANKLY, IT'S, IT'S ONE THAT I'M LESS COMFORTABLE WITH BECAUSE BECAUSE IT'S LEGISLATIVE AND NOT ADMINISTRATIVE, IT, IT IS INHERENTLY THERE'S, THERE'S INHERENT SUBJECTIVITY TO IT. 
          SO ONE PERSON CAN POINT TO THIS, ONE PERSON CAN PUT SOMETHING ELSE, AND WE HAVE TO SORT OF THREAD, YOU KNOW, THREAD THAT NEEDLE. 
          AND THAT'S THE PURVIEW THAT, THAT'S THE ORIENTATION THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN THE, THE CODE PROVISIONS AS TO PURPOSES AND CRITERIA OF PLAN DISTRICT, UM, CONSIDERATION ARE PUT THERE BY COUNCIL TO GUIDE HOW THE COMMISSION APPROACHES IT. 
          AND THEY ARE BROAD ENOUGH THAT DIFFERENT PEOPLE CAN REASONABLY COME TO DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS. 
          ULTIMATELY, AS YOU KNOW, THIS BEING A RECOMMENDING BODY, UM, IT'S, IT'S UP TO COUNSEL, WHICH IS THE FINAL DECISION MAKER AS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER. 
          AND THEN ONE LAST QUESTION FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT, THE DI IS THERE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR PROPOSAL AND THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENCES. 
          AND IS THERE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT, WITH ACKNOWLEDGING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, IS THERE ANY REASON FOR THOSE DIFFERENCES OTHER THAN FINANCIAL MEANING HIGH, HIGH DENSITY, THAT THAT IS THE REASON? GO AHEAD. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S EARLIER, IT'S, IT'S SOLVING A PROBLEM AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMMING PROBLEM. 
          UM, SO WE OBVIOUSLY NEED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS TO MAKE THIS SITE WORK. 
          UM, AND WE THINK IT'S IN THAT RECOMMENDED RANGE. 
          AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO MAYBE TO YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION IS WE ARE, WE ARE TRYING TO TEST THE TEMPERATURE, TAKE THE TEMPERATURE ON THE SUBJECT SUBJECTIVE PART OF THIS. 
          IF WE BROUGHT BACK THE NEXT PHASE, A 420 UNIT, UH, MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON A, HOW WOULD YOU REACT TO THAT? WE WANNA KNOW THAT NOW BEFORE WE GO OUT AND SPEND TIME AND MONEY AND BRING SOMEBODY ALONG TO BRING IT TO THE NEXT PHASE. 
          WE THINK THIS, WE REALLY WANNA WORKSHOP THIS THING TONIGHT. 
          UM, AND JUST GET SOME FRANK FEEDBACK FROM YOU ON, ON, ON THAT POTENTIAL. 
          YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WE'VE PRESENTED KIND OF EXTREMES FOR THOSE BILLING TYPES. 
          UM, 
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THOSE BILLING TYPES OF STAFF INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT WE, WE DIDN'T BRING TO THE TABLE. 
          UM, WE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE WHAT WE THINK CAN GET US IN THE RANGE THAT MAKES IT WORK FOR US, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER IF THAT WAS WHERE WE HAD TO GO, I THINK. 
          OKAY. 
          I HOPE THAT RESPONSE ADD MAY ADD SOMETHING. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AARON UNDERHILL, UH, 8,000 WALTON PARKWAY IN ALBANY. 
          I'M LETTING THE SMART PEOPLE DO THE TALKING TONIGHT. 
          BUT, UM, I, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS HERE AND YOU KNOW, I WENT ON A LITTLE RANT LAST TIME WITH THIS PROJECT, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, THAT'S A CONCEPT. 
          WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN STARTED IN 2021. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'D HEARD OF THAT. 
          UM, IT HADN'T EVEN BEEN A CONSIDERATION. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN EVOLUTION OF THINKING, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO SORT OF CHECK SOME BOXES OR X OUT SOME OF THE POSSIBILITIES SO THAT WE, WE CAN REALLY START TO NARROW DOWN ON WHAT THE, WHAT THE DESIRE IS HERE. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS A NEW ONE FOR US AND WE'RE, THERE'S SO MUCH WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE NOW. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, THAT SORT OF PRODUCT GREG HAD TOUCHED ON IT PREVIOUSLY IS, IS A LOT MORE OF AN INFILL PRODUCT WHERE YOU FIND IT IN AN AREA WHERE MAYBE YOU HAVE A PIECE THAT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED OVER TIME AND IT FITS IN THERE NICELY AND MAYBE AT A CERTAIN SCALE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNUSUAL TO SEE THAT SORT OF DEVELOPMENT ANYWHERE AROUND CENTRAL OHIO RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO FINDING SOMEONE WHO COULD ACTUALLY EXECUTE THAT COULD, COULD BE PROBLEMATIC. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'VE GONE TO SOME OF THE MORE, UM, TRADITIONAL SORTS OF THINGS THAT GREG'S SHOWN YOU TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU MR. UNDERHILL. 
          LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS, MR. CHINOOK, I HAVE SOME EASY QUESTIONS. 
          THE, UH, YOU MENTIONED THE CONNECTION BETWEEN, UH, AREA ZONE A AND ZONE B. 
          THERE'S SOME CONCERN THAT THERE WAS NOT A CONNECTION THERE. 
          OH, LET'S START WITH THAT QUESTION. 
          CAN YOU, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT CONCERN? LIKE IS IT YOU FEEL STAFF FEELS IT'S NECESSARY BECAUSE WE CAN PUT THAT SITE PLAN BACK UP PLEASE. 
          UM, THE CONCERN IS, IS IT FROM A NU A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. 
          UM, FIRST IS VEHICULAR CONNECTING OF THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT THEY FUNCTION TOGETHER. 
          THE SECOND IS UTILITIES. 
          UTILITIES OFTEN FOLLOW ROADS. 
          AND THE THIRD IS THAT, UM, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE CONNECTIONS OFTEN FOLLOW ROAD CONNECTIONS AS WELL. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, I SEE MS. MOSQUE MOTS HERE, HERE IN THE BACKGROUND. 
          SO , I SAW YOU ON THE EDGIER SEAT. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          TINA , SARAH SARAH'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO BE READY FOR SUPPORT IF WE NEEDED ANY. 
          BUT YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A REDUNDANCY CONNECTIVITY, UM, SHORTER BIKE PED, UM, ROUTES THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST A UNITY HERE ACROSS THESE TWO SUB AREAS. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION, I, I PRETTY SURE I MISSED IT WHEN I WAS READING THROUGHOUT. 
          IS IT, WHAT'S THE SETBACK FROM CO, IS THERE A SETBACK REQUIREMENT OFF OF COS GRAY? THERE IS NO SETBACK REQUIREMENT ON COS GRAY. 
          SO I GUESS THE QUESTION GOES BACK TO THE APPLICANT. 
          SO WE, YOU ALLUDED TO THIS GATEWAY PIECE THAT'S MISSING FROM THIS, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE PUT A SET A GREEN SPACE IN FRONT OF COS GRAY AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO, SEEMS LIKE THAT'S SOME BUILD, BUILD POTENTIALLY BUILDABLE AREA THAT YOU AREN'T YEAH. 
          UTILIZING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          , UM, RELATIVE TO THAT GATEWAY ELEMENT, UM, IT'S A CHICKEN OR THE EGG TYPE OF THING. 
          AND AS I ALLUDED TO EARLIER, OUR APPROACH TO THIS WOULD BE ABLE WOULD BE TO COME IN HERE AND DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT COULD STAND ON ITS OWN OR AUGMENT A FUTURE MIXED USE VILLAGE IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO, UH, ALIGN THE WAY THAT THEY HAD DRAWN 10 YEARS AGO. 
          YOU KNOW, COS GRAY ROAD HERE CONTINUES NORTH. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK, LET LOOK AT THE EXHIBIT I INCLUDED IN, IN, UH, THE PACKET B 0.3 FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT IS FROM YOUR DUB DISCOVERY WEBSITE AND IT SHOWS SPECIFICALLY THE PARCELS TO THE NORTH OF US AS MIXED USE VILLAGE CENTER. 
          AND IT SHOWS OUR PARCELS AS MIXED RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY. 
          I, I I THINK, I THINK IF THERE WAS TO BE A MIXED USE ELEMENT BUILT IN THE AMLIN AREA, IT WOULD BE AT THE CROSSROADS OF RINGS AND COS GRAY NOT AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF OUR SITE THAT MAY SIT THERE ALONE NEXT TO LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL FOR THE UNFORESEEN FUTURE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. 
          IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T 
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WANNA PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN, IT'S, WE DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE RIGHT NOW FROM, FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT. 
          UM, AND WE DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE, THE CATALYST FOR, UM, OUR, OUR OUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO, SO IGO, SO THE PLAN, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SETBACK? WHY, WHY OR THE GREEN SPACE YOU'RE ALLOCATING THERE AS OPPOSED TO WE OOPS, SORRY. 
          UM, REGARD WE'VE ALWAYS ASSUMED THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT FOR A SETBACK THERE AND WE WERE UTILIZING THAT FOR, UM, OUR STORMWATER RETENTION, OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION MR. WAY? SO LET'S STAY ON THE SETBACK ISSUE 'CAUSE THIS IS ONE THAT'S BEEN IN THE BACK OF MY MIND FOR A WHILE. 
          SO I'M GONNA ASK THIS TO THE STAFF. 
          UM, THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, PLAN STATES A 200 FOOT SETBACK FROM PEDAL CROSSING BOULEVARD. 
          WHERE DID 200 FEET COME FROM? IS IT A PRECEDENT? WHAT'S DRIVING THAT NUMBER? UM, I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER, OTHER ROADS IN DUBLIN LIKE BRAND ROAD, HIGHLAND CROIX THAT HAVE THESE LARGE SETBACKS. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, IN THE CODE OR SOMETHING THAT WAS SET A WHILE AGO? UH, IT'S NOT A CODIFIED REQUIREMENT. 
          IT'S LARGELY RELATED TO THE CHARACTER OF THE ROADWAY AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, IS TYPICALLY WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM, LIKE THAT RURAL CHARACTER. 
          UM, AND, AND THE SETBACKS ALONG THOSE, SOME OF THOSE ROADWAYS. 
          SO 200 FEET IS AN ARBITRARY NUMBER KIND OF, RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN, I NOT, ARBITRARY IS MAYBE NOT THE RIGHT WORD. 
          I MEAN IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE CHARACTER, SO, RIGHT. 
          SO, SO THAT WAS MY NEXT POINT IS THAT IN A, THE SETBACK, A SETBACK CAN BE, UM, DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS FEEL DIFFERENTLY. 
          SO YOU COULD HAVE A 200 FOOT SETBACK THAT WAS JUST LIKE OPEN FIELD OR SOMETHING AND THAT HAS A CERTAIN CHARACTER AND MAYBE THAT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT YOU COULD HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK AND IT'S HEAVILY BURNED AND LANDSCAPED AND, AND IT HAS A WHOLE DIFFERENT CHARACTER. 
          AND, AND SO I GUESS I WOULD, I'M, I'M REALLY FIGHTING WITH GIVING UP SO MUCH LAND FOR THESE SETBACKS. 
          UM, AND, AND IF THEY'RE LANDSCAPED, WELL THAT'S GREAT, BUT IF THEY'RE JUST WIDE OPEN SPACES, ARE THEY REALLY CONTRIBUTING? SO I GUESS, UM, SO WE DON'T, IT ISN'T REALLY A, THERE'S NOTHING SET. 
          AND I WILL MAKE A POINT THAT I THINK HOW THEY'RE DESIGNED TO ME, UM, IS A, IS A DISCUSSION POINT ABOUT HOW HOW WIDE IS A SETBACK AND I THINK THAT COULD BE DEALT WITH AS PART OF THE NEXT STEP, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THE GOAL IS HERE'S THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION. 
          THEY'RE DEMONSTRATING HOW THEY CAN MEET THAT IF THERE'S A REQUEST AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT REVIEW, SHOULD THIS PROCEED TO THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN? I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY WE, BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT THEN ASSURANCES IN THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT OF YOU'RE POTENTIALLY, AGAIN, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION AGREES, YOUR SETBACK COULD BE DECREASED, BUT IT HAS TO HAVE X, Y, AND Z THAT WAY THAT'S VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS FOR THE CHARACTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I, I WOULD ALSO KIND OF REINFORCE WHAT OTHER FOLKS HAVE SAID ABOUT THIS SET, THIS SET ASIDE OF CONSERVATION LAND IS REALLY A TREMENDOUS KIND OF INVESTMENT IN THIS SITE. 
          AND SO MAYBE THAT'S A, A TRADE OFF OF THINKING ABOUT SETBACKS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF I MIGHT, OH, SORRY. 
          CAN, CAN I CLARIFY JUST ONE CALL OUT WITH THE, THE CHARACTER AND HOW THE SETBACKS NOW KEEP IN MIND WE ARE THE ADMINISTRATIVE BODY, WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE LAND USE PLAN, THE SPECIAL AREA PLANS ARE ALL REVIEWED BY US AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY, WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF ANYTHING THAT WE ARE PUTTING FORWARD FOR RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE PREVIOUS. 
          NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE, WE THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE BECAUSE X, Y, Z, BUT JUST KEEP, KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          AND I'M NOT MAKING ANY JUDGEMENTS NOW WHETHER IT SHOULD BE 50 FEET OR 200 FEET. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WAYS YOU CAN TREAT THINGS. 
          CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING? SORRY, BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM THIS. 
          'CAUSE I, THE, I THINK JUST AGAIN BEING LIKE IF WE'RE, I'M NOT SURE SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR LIKE AREA B THOUGH, WHERE THAT OVERPASS IS GOING TO GO. 
          I THINK THIS JUST KEEPING IN MIND, RIGHT? LIKE IS THE CHARACTER, AND WE'VE DONE THIS IN OTHER SUBDIVISIONS WHERE IT VARIES, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THAT SETBACK. 
          SO 'CAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE A PRETTY TALL OVERPASS WHEN THAT COMES TO BE. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD WANT THAT TO BE RIGHT UP ON THAT. 
          SO AGAIN, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. 
          SHOULD THAT BE WHERE THE COMMISSION IS GOING WITH THIS EVENTUALLY? UNLESS IT'S A RETAINING WALL, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S TOTALLY GO THROUGH EXACTLY THAT. 
          VISUALS NOT SO MAY NOT BE SO FANTASTIC. 
          SO, UM, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE BE MINDFUL OF THAT? I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          DIFFERENT QUESTION. 
          DO WE KNOW WHAT THE DENSITY OF AMLIN VILLAGES THAT RUNS ALONG, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SINGLE, IT'S SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES PREDOMINANTLY. 
          THEY'RE ON 
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A MIXTURE OF SIZE LOTS. 
          ANY, I MEAN IT'S GOTTA BE LESS THAN, I MEAN THOSE ARE LIKE ACRE LOTS, I'M GUESSING 0.9 IS WHAT? SO IT'S LIKE 0.4, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT UNITS TO THE ACRE, RIGHT? IT'S VERY, YEAH, WE CAN FIND OUT. 
          I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THOUGH, SO I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          YEAH, IT'S BE BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH LARGE LOTS, ONE WOULD ASSUME THAT IT'S QUITE, QUITE LOW DENSITY. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IT'S HARDER. 
          I JUST HAD A QUESTION TWO ACTUALLY. 
          UH, ONE IS SINCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SETBACKS AND, UM, BEING SO CLOSE TO RAILROAD TRACKS, SEEMS LIKE THE SEDIMENT HAS BEEN THAT WE, UM, IF IF THERE'S HOUSING AROUND THAT THAT HAS SOME DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS. 
          SO IS OUR SETBACK RELATED TO THAT? I MEAN, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S MORE ABOUT THE CHARACTER, UM, AND WHAT YOU WANNA SEE THERE. 
          SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE TRADE OFF PIECE OF THIS, RIGHT? HOW DOES THAT, IF, SHOULD THIS PROCEED, HOW DOES THAT GET ADDRESSED? IS IT YOU WOULD YEAH. 
          WANT TO VARY IT IN OTHER PLACES BECAUSE YOU WOULD WANT A GREATER SETBACK AND, AND AGAIN, BACK TO THE CHARACTER, WHAT'S IN THAT SETBACK? IS IT MOUNTING, IS IT LANDSCAPING? YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS OF RESIDENTIAL ON THE RAILROAD? BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN RAISED RECENTLY AS A CONCERN, UM, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION OF RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, AGAIN, KNOWING THAT THERE HAVE BEEN PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENTS, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AGAINST A RAILROAD THAT HAS, AGAIN, SOMETIMES SOME IMPACTS THAT NEED TO BE MITIGATED. 
          SO, MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN HAS IT BEEN DETERMINED WHO WILL, UM, MAINTAIN THE AREA, LIKE THE PARK AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT? ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? NOT AT THIS POINT. 
          WILL THAT BE? YEAH, THAT WOULD COME WITH THE NEXT PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THERE'S NOT MUCH CONVERSATION ON THAT AT ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MS. HARDER. 
          MR. LAC, THE QUESTION FOR MR. SHAW. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, I'M GONNA GO TO THE TREE ROW THAT IS BEING PRESERVED, NOT BEING PRESERVED, UM, YOU KNOW HOW THESE THINGS GO AND MAYBE I'M JUST, MAYBE I'M ASKING AS MUCH AS AS ANYTHING ELSE, UM, EVENTUALLY THE SITE WOULD BE DEVELOPED THAT TREE ROW EXISTS, EVEN IF IT WERE NOT A PROTECTED AREA, I WOULD IMAGINE YOU GUYS WOULD TRY TO WORK WITH THAT TREE ROW AS BEST YOU COULD. 
          THAT'S ACCURATE. 
          UM, WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF BE UPFRONT. 
          MM-HMM,  GIVEN THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIT IN THERE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT THAT IT'S MOST LIKELY, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MITIGATE TO REMOVE THOSE TREES AND PROVIDE SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THAT DEVELOPABLE ZONE THAT IS OF EQUAL OR GREATER, UM, BENEFIT. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE THINK ADDING SOME OF THOSE BUILDABLE ZONES TO THE PARK AREA BECOME A BENEFIT. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BE PROGRAMMED FOR ACT ACTIVE, UH, RECREATION. 
          UM, WE CAN BUILD STRUCTURES IN THERE SO IT'S NOT JUST LAND THAT YOU CAN NEVER TOUCH OR BUILD ON IT. 
          THERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH, LAND THAT WE'RE GIVING TO THAT AREA THAT THAT CAN BE BUILT AND, UH, DEVELOPED GOT IT. 
          AS A PARK. 
          UM, SO IT'S IT'S A, IT'S A MITIGATING FACTOR THAT WE ARE THROWING OUT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AS OPPOSED TO TWO STEPS FROM THERE. 
          AND I, I, I HEARD IN YOUR ANSWER, DON'T GET ME WRONG, I, I I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN IS YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO, BUT, UH, AGAIN, DEPENDING, I MEAN, YOU KNOW HOW IT GOES, UH, MATURE TREES IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS ARE LOVELY IF THAT'S WHAT YOU END UP WITH. 
          SO, UM, UM, AND, AND I, I I GUESS I WOULD JUST QUALIFY THAT AS, AS WE FIND YEAH, THE RIGHT BUILDER, THE RIGHT PRODUCT TYPE THAT WILL HELP INFORM US ON WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT TREE ROW. 
          RIGHT? BUT FLEXIBILITY, YES. 
          WOULD BE PREFERRED FROM YOUR COURT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE AGREE. 
          ALL RIGHT, ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE OPEN SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, AT THIS TIME WE WILL INVITE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COME UP AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS ITEM. 
          UH, MS. HOLT, MS. ROUSH, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, WE HAVEN'T. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR INFORMAL REVIEW APPLICATION? SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE, MOVE ON TO, UH, DELIBERATIONS BY THE COMMISSION. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW. 
          STAFF HAS BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO PUT TOGETHER FOUR QUESTIONS TO LEAD OUR DISCUSSION AND NARRATIVE THIS EVENING. 
          IF YOU COULD PLEASE REVIEW THOSE FOUR QUESTIONS, WE WILL TAKE THE FOUR QUESTIONS IN TURN. 
          COMMISSIONER BY COMMISSIONER, MR. CHINOOK, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF THIS EVENING? SORRY. 
          CAN, CAN WE PULL UP THE QUESTIONS SHEET? 
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? YES. 
          WE'RE WAITING ON SWAG. 
          THERE THEY ARE. 
          SO YOU WANNA TALK, SORRY. 
          YOU WANNA DO QUESTION ONE FIRST? YOU WANT HIT ALL OF 'EM AT ONCE? ALL AT ONCE AND THEN WE'LL, SO I THINK WE, UH, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE ADDRESSED KIND OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          WE'VE KIND OF SHARED OUR THOUGHTS ON, ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LITTLE BIT, THE COMMUNITY PLAN'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          UM, GENERALLY I THINK, I THINK I'M OKAY WITH IT. 
          UM, AND, AND WHEN YOU MOVE TO THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT, I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT TO ME IS VERY DIFFERENT. 
          WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE AND YOU GUYS ARE, I MEAN, GIVING, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR REACTING TO OUR COMMENTS FROM PRE PREVIOUS MEETINGS. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE HAS COME BACK WITH A, A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION. 
          UM, AND THERE'S A SIDE OF ME, 'CAUSE I, I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED TONIGHT ABOUT DENSITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          I, I, AND I WAS WRESTLING WITH THIS AS A, I WAS REVIEWING IT AS WELL, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU JUST GOTTA, AND I WAS WORRIED ABOUT PRECEDENT AND I'M JUST, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO? AND I THINK IT'S GREAT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE PUTTING A, A LOT OF EFFORT INTO CREATING A REALLY NICE GREEN SPACE. 
          I MEAN, IF OVER HALF OF IT, CLOSE TO HALF OF IT'S PARK SPACE, I MEAN, THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH THE, UH, THE DENSITIES YOU'RE PROPOSING. 
          UM, SO IO OVERALL, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF THE SITE LAYOUT. 
          I WOULD AGAIN CONSIDER, LIKE I BROUGHT UP EARLIER, THAT GREEN SPACE IN FRONT OF COS GRAY, KIND OF THINKING ABOUT HOW THAT FITS IN WITH OUR COMMUNITY PLAN A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, OH, AND THEN I WAS GONNA ADDRESS THE ARCHITECTURAL INSPIRATION. 
          I, I, I, OVERALL, I THINK IT'S OKAY. 
          IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY WITHOUT SEEING HOW THE BUILDINGS SPECIFICALLY ARE LAID OUT, HOW THEY'RE GONNA WORK TOGETHER AND REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE VISION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVERALL. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE, UH, EMULATORS AND INSPIRATION YOU SHOWED WERE, WERE OKAY. 
          I, I'D PROBABLY ENCOURAGE A LITTLE MORE VARIATION, UM, AND SOME OF THE DESIGN STYLES OVERALL. 
          BUT I THINK FOR ME, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO COMMENT ON THAT TOO MUCH AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME, JUST 'CAUSE IT'S SO, UH, PRELIMINARY. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK I, OVERALL, AGAIN, I CAN'T, I, I, I THINK IT'S A VERY UNIQUE THING AND I, I JUST KIND OF WANNA, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST EMPHASIZE, WE JUST GOTTA LOOK AT THIS SITE INDIVIDUALLY FOR ALL THE CONSTRAINTS. 
          AND I, I, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO MAKE, MAKE SOMETHING WORK. 
          AND WE, WE ALWAYS ASK FOR SOMETHING UNIQUE AND A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          AND THIS, THIS CERTAINLY IS GIVING THIS MUCH, UH, SPACE, SPACE BACK TO, UH, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, RECREATIONAL USE OR GREEN SPACE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK, MS. HARDER, THANKS FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY AGAIN TO LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE FURTHER. 
          AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO, UH, REORGANIZE IT. 
          AND, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, I SIT HERE AND I, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS. 
          I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, ROLLING BALLS THAT ARE ALL HAPPENING ALL AT ONCE. 
          AND, UM, AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, WE HAVE TO BE VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT THESE DECISIONS. 
          SO, UM, UH, WITH NUMBER ONE IN THE AREA PLAN, THE DENSITY IS, IS WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE. 
          I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, BUT WHEN I GET TO THE RAILROADS AND SOME OF THE SETBACKS, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE CAN'T QUITE MAKE IT TO 200. 
          AND I, I THINK ABOUT THAT JUST FOR, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE LIVING THERE, UH, AND, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT. 
          SO I, I DO HAVE, UM, DEFINITELY HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, BUT I LIKE THE OPEN SPACE. 
          I LIKE THE, THE USE OF, UM, HOW YOU'VE KIND OF CLUSTERED EVERYTHING TOGETHER. 
          UM, AND I AM VERY, UM, I, I TOTALLY SEE WHERE THE BUFFER IS. 
          I SEE THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE A RAILROAD. 
          UM, BUT, UM, THAT EXTRA FEET TO ME IS, IS IMPORTANT. 
          UM, I, I LOOK AT THIS, THE, UM, NUMBER TWO, UM, THAT WITH THE LAYOUT. 
          UM, AND I, AGAIN, I, UH, THANK YOU AND APPLAUD YOU FOR PRESERVING THE ENVIRONMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES, THE WETLANDS, THE TREES. 
          I AM, I REALLY, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO KEEP THAT TREE LINE, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, A GREAT, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR THE AREA. 
          UM, OPEN SPACE IS VERY IMPORTANT AND USABLE SPACE, YOU KNOW, AND THINKING, COMING BACK AND THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, UH, ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE WANT. 
          THEY WANNA WALK THE AREA, THEY WANT, UM, DOG PARKS AND, AND, UH, PERSONAL PLACES THAT, THAT, THAT THEY CAN GO. 
          AND SO I HOPE YOU THINK ABOUT THAT TOO. 
          UM, THE ROADWAYS, UTILITIES AND PLACEMENT OF THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE CITY AND COMING UP WITH SOME, UH, GOOD SOLUTIONS WITH THAT. 
          UM, THINKING ABOUT RINGS ROAD AND THE IMPACT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT COMMUNITY STRUCTURE AND HOW THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE, AND SO THAT IT'S, IT'S BEING A WELCOMING SITE, UM, AND NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT JUST LANDED THERE. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, INSPIRED NESS OF IT, UM, YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TOWN HOMES, UM, UH, STACKABLE 
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FLATS AND SO FORTH, WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THE CARS AND THAT IT'S NOT LOOKING LIKE A WHOLE SLEW OF CARS THAT ARE HAPPENING, UH, IN THAT I LIKE, UH, REALLY GOOD QUALITY, UM, MATERIALS BEING USED. 
          SO PEOPLE WANT TO BE THERE. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE FOREVER. 
          YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, UH, GRANDVIEW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND THOSE SITES THERE, THAT'S AN AREA THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, SO YOU KIND OF WANT THAT, THAT AREA IN THERE. 
          UM, SOMEPLACE THAT KINDA LOOKS LIKE HOME WHERE PEOPLE CAN GATHER. 
          UM, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PERSONABLE, AND MAYBE THOSE ARE TOUCHES OF AWNINGS, AND IF IT ENDS UP ON A BALCONY, MAKE SURE YOU CAN SIT OUT THERE, THERE'S A TABLE AND CHAIRS AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING FUTURE ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, I GUESS WITH, UM, THE OTHER THOUGHTS THAT I HAD TOO, AND I, I WON'T GET INTO THE SINGLE FAMILY, I HAD SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S TOUGH WITH THE COMMUNITY AREA, AREA PLAN AND ALL THOSE, UM, THAT ARE KIND OF FLOATING AROUND AROUND THIS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HIGH QUALITY SERVICES ARE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT, UM, CONNECTING THE BIKEWAYS AND WALKWAYS AND ROADS, UM, AND, UM, MINIMIZING IMPACT ON EXISTING RESIDENTS IN THE VILLAGE, UH, BRINGING THAT CHARACTER, REALLY THINKING ABOUT THAT. 
          AND, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR IDENTITY, THE IDENTITY OF IT. 
          AND YOU MAY EVEN THINK SMALL BY STARTING OUT WITH LIKE THE MAILBOX AREA  AND SAYING WHAT, WHAT KIND OF OPPORTUNITY IS GOING TO BE THERE THAT WHEN PEOPLE GATHER. 
          AND, UM, BUT MAKING IT A PLACE THAT FEELS LIKE, LIKE HOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. WAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AGAIN, I THINK THIS, THE WAY THIS HAS EVOLVED, THIS PROJECT HAS EVOLVED. 
          IT'S VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE CONSERVATION APPROACH, WHICH I THINK IS, IS REALLY BRILLIANT AND REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE. 
          AND SO THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF, OF HOW THAT THAT NEW KIND OF THINKING IS REALLY STARTING TO PERMEATE, PERMEATE INTO OUR, OUR PLANNING. 
          I ALSO REMEMBER THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR TUNNEL CROSSING BOULEVARD. 
          AT ONE POINT YOU HAD STRADDLED THE PROPERTY LINE, AND NOW YOU'RE TAKING THE FULL BURDEN OF THE 116, BUT RIGHT OF WAY ONTO YOUR PROPERTY. 
          SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY WORKING TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THOSE THINGS WITHIN THE, UH, THE PROPERTY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE CONSERVATION, UM, ASPECT OF IT, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE OUT THE RIGHT OF WAYS. 
          YOU TAKE OUT THE, THE CONSERVATION ISSUES WITH THE WETLANDS AND THE WOODLANDS. 
          I MEAN, YOU'RE LEFT WITH THESE TWO DEVELOPMENT PARCELS. 
          AND, UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY INTERESTING. 
          I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE REALLY, UH, THINKING THROUGH THE AREA PLAN FOR THIS AREA. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, UM, YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT PLAN ENVISIONED THE USES ARRAYING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. 
          AND SO STARTING WITH, YOU KNOW, THE AMLIN, UM, EXISTING AMLIN DISTRICT, RIGHT? AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT'S VERY LOW DENSITY. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, AREA PLAN ENVISIONED SOMETHING THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE, I THINK GOING TO ONE TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE. 
          AND THEN THE PLAN ENVISIONED THAT THE DENSITY WAS REALLY GONNA BE A LONG TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY GO UP TO THE FIVE DS PER ACRE, RIGHT? UNFORTUNATELY, YOU DON'T OWN THAT PARCEL. 
          IT'S ON . 
          SO, SO YOU'RE STUCK WITHOUT THE, UM, THAT TO LEAN ON, IF YOU WILL. 
          AND THEN SOUTH OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD, THEY GO BACK TO 1.5 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          UM, I, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, FROM THE TIME YOU CAME IN ON THIS PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT IT AND TALKED ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP TO AMLIN VILLAGE AND ALL THAT, AND THE, AND THE, THE, THE AREA PLAN DIRECTION, I REALLY FELT LIKE THAT NORTHERN AREA REALLY WANTED TO BE AN EXTENSION OF THE VILLAGE, ME VERY VILLAGE LIKE, AND, YOU KNOW, WALKABLE AND, YOU KNOW, FRONT DOORS, NOT GARAGE DOORS. 
          AND, AND YOU WERE WORKING TOWARDS THAT IN A LOT OF THE, THE PLANS IN, IN, IN, IN A WAY. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S STILL THAT POTENTIAL ON THIS PARCEL. 
          I DON'T SEE THIS PARCEL BEING THE DENSITY ON THE SITE. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD STAY MORE VILLAGE LIKE, AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT NEEDS TO BE SPREAD OUT LIKE THE EXISTING LOTS AND BUILDINGS ALONG, UH, RINGS ROAD, BUT IT CAN BE, UM, DENSE IN TERMS OF SMALLER UNITS, MIDDLE HOUSING, MAYBE BUILT CLOSER TOGETHER. 
          YOU KNOW, BACK TO THIS IDEA OF BUILDING IN ALLEYS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          AND WHEN I FIRST SAW YOUR DRAWING, I THOUGHT THAT'S MAYBE WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH THIS, JUST FROM THE FIRST GLANCE. 
          BUT I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, FOLLOWING THE AREA PLAN AND THINKING OF THIS TRANSITION IN TERMS OF DENSITY, THAT THAT NORTHERN HALF WANT DOES WANT TO BE LOWER DENSITY, AND IT WANTS TO BE VILLAGE LIKE, EVEN FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, REALLY WANTING TO LOOK LIKE, AND I KNOW THE, THE HOUSES THAT ARE IN AMLIN VILLAGE ARE, IS A REAL CROSS, CROSS 
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SECTION. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THE NEW PART AND THERE'S THE OLD PART BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS. 
          I THINK THE OLD PART, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSES, HAS A REALLY UNIQUE QUALITY TO IT. 
          AND IF YOU COULD EXPAND THAT, AND AGAIN, YOUR, YOUR ROAD LINK NOW THAT YOU'VE CREATED FROM RINKS ROAD THERE JUST KIND OF REINFORCES THAT. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT ABOUT PARCEL A AND THEN PARCEL B, UM, AGAIN, TO THE SOUTH, YOU'VE GOT, UH, UH, THE COLUMBUS DEVELOPMENT WITH, UM, BUILT HOUSES WITH REAR GARAGES AND ALLEYS. 
          SO THAT'S ALREADY A VERY DENSE PROGRAM. 
          AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT PARCEL B COULD BE MORE DENSE THAN WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT YOU CAME TO US WITH LA TO US LAST TIME, RIGHT? WITH TOWNHOUSES. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS AGAINST THAT DENSITY AT THAT POINT. 
          SO YOU'VE KIND OF FLIP FLOPPED ON ME, . 
          UM, AND, AND I'M NOT AGAINST DOING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES THERE, BUT MAYBE AGAIN, IS IT DONE IN A, IN THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN STANDARDS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BUILD IN THE ALLEY SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, HOUSES THAT FRONT TOWARDS TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD, UM, HOW DO THEY TRANSITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE SOUTH? UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TRANSLATES INTO DENSITY WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK, UM, I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING MORE OF A MIX IN PARCEL B BETWEEN MAYBE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND ATTACHED, UM, IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK WHEN I LOOK THROUGH ALL OF YOUR PRECEDENTS, I, I, NOTHING, NOTHING CAUGHT ME. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT. 
          THERE'S A, AN URBAN VIBE TO A LOT OF THIS, AND I DON'T SEE THIS, THIS SITE LOOKS, FEELS MORE, UM, RURAL, RIGHT? OR MORE WHATEVER, AGRICULTURAL. 
          AND JUST THE THEME TO ME SHOULD BE SOMEHOW, UH, BUILDING OFF OF THAT. 
          UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WE, MR. LAC, UM, GREG AARON, THANK YOU AS, AS ALWAYS. 
          UM, KUDOS ON YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          LOVELY PRESENTATION. 
          UH, PARK IS LOVELY LONG TERM. 
          JUST AS A CAVEAT TO THAT, RELATIVE TO ALL OF US, A COUPLE THINGS. 
          ONE, LONG TERM FINDING, IT WOULD PROVE IMPORTANT, RIGHT? IF IT'S AVAILABLE AND ACCESSIBLE SOMEHOW AND FINDABLE OFF OF TUTTLE CROSSWAY, THAT'S LOVELY. 
          I I THINK YOU'RE ALREADY SORT OF MENTALLY WORKING TOWARDS THAT. 
          JUST AS A GENERAL, AS A GENERAL, UM, GENERAL THOUGHT. 
          AND THIS MIGHT BE MORE FOR, AGAIN, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. 
          FORGIVE ME FOR WAXING POETIC ON THE PARK. 
          UM, WE HAVE TRAILS TO THE WOODS ON IT CURRENTLY. 
          IT WOULD BE LOVELY TO HAVE TRAILS THROUGH THE WOODS. 
          UH, AT SOME POINT, I AGREE WITH MR. WE ON AREA B, RIGHT? IT'S ALL OUGHT ADJACENT TO I THINK COLUMBUS, NOT HILLIARD, RIGHT? LOOKS LIKE 6.5 DWELLING ACRES PER UNIT. 
          THERE'S A NICE POTENTIAL STEP DOWN AS YOU APPROACH, UH, TUTTLE, TUTTLE CROSSING, BUT MAYBE IT, WE DON'T NEED THAT STEP DOWN. 
          MAYBE YOU GAIN SOME UNITS THERE, UM, IN A CERTAIN REGARD AND, AND SORT OF CARRY THAT TUTTLE CROSSING WILL BE THE NATURAL DIVIDE, RIGHT? THE PARK WILL HELP BE A NATURAL DIVIDE LONG TERM AROUND ALL OF THAT. 
          13, I THINK, I THINK IT'S PROPOSED AS 13 TO, BY THE WAY, RELATIVE TO THE TREE LINE, I'M WILLING RELATIVE TO THE PARK TO COMMIT ITS FADE INTO YOUR HANDS. 
          AND SHOULD SOME OF THOSE TREES MAKE SENSE WOULD BE LOVELY TO KEEP. 
          OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE WOULD LOVE THAT. 
          UM, TH I THINK IT'S PROPOSED AS 13 TO 26 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, IF I DID THE MATH RIGHT UP, UP THERE ON SECTION A, UM, WHICH THERE'S OTHER STREETS RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH AVERY IS ONE STREET OVER FROM COS GRAY. 
          YOU FOLLOW AVERY DOWN AND I WANNA SAY IN INTO HILLIARD. 
          AND THERE ARE THESE REALLY MASSIVE SEEMING MONOLITHS OF BUILDINGS, RIGHT? UM, JUST ABSOLUTE SORT OF MONOPOLY HOTELS RISING OUT OF THE GROUND, LIMITED, LIMITED, UM, LANDSCAPING. 
          THEY JUST, RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE ADJACENT TO A FIELD. 
          IT MIGHT END UP BEING REALLY WELL PLANNED AT SOME POINT, BUT AT PRESENT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS ODD DUCK SITTING OUT THERE AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY STARK AND REALLY, REALLY SORT OF POOR TASTE, RIGHT? AND THERE'S NOT ONE, THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM AS YOU, AS YOU GO DOWN THAT WAY. 
          MAYBE THERE'S SOME DOWN CAUSE GRAY AS WELL THAT SORT OF JUST, UH, SMACK YOU IN THE FACE IN, IN A WAY THAT IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE. 
          AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT PARCEL A COMING ACROSS AS THAT IN 
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PARTICULAR, UM, WE HUNTED COLLECTIVELY FOR A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE RED SECTIONS ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN, RIGHT? A IS BACKING INTO, IF NOT, IF NOT IN, IF NOT IN PART PARTICIPATING WITH THE RED SECTION, WHICH IS REALLY, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, GONNA BE THE CHARACTER DRIVER FOR THE VILLAGE THAT, UH, MR. WAY TOUCHED ON, RIGHT? SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME WORK TO DO AND IT MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT BE A BETTER, UH, BETTER COMMUNICATION ON THE, ON THE CITY'S PART ABOUT HOW THOSE CHARACTERS MEET AND MESH IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. 
          THE, THE PROBLEM I DESCRIBED DOWN AVERY IS THERE IS NO MEETING OR MESS MESHING. 
          IT'S JUST A MASSIVE MONOLITH RISING OUT OF THE GROUND, WAY TOO MANY UNITS, UM, JUST PLOPPED INTO A FIELD, RIGHT? SO, UH, THE WHOLE CONVERSATION AROUND THE SETBACK, THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CHARACTER, RIGHT, THE INTENT OF THE ROAD, THE INTENT, UM, IS WHAT SHOULD DRIVE THIS AND THE INTENT OF THAT CHARACTER UP AROUND THE CORNER AND HOW UP AROUND THE SORT OF, SORRY, AMLIN INTERSECTION AND HOW THAT POTENTIAL MARRIES IN HERE I THINK NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          UM, ODDLY ENOUGH, I AM ACTUALLY, SO THE VILLAGE CONCEPT, AND IF THE VILLAGE IS THE, IS THE MOTIF THAT'S DRIVING THIS, I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THAT THE VILLAGE HAS TO EXIST ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF A, AS MUCH AS IT HAS TO BE THE OPTICS OF THE VILLAGE. 
          AND THEN IT CAN POTENTIALLY BUILD UP TOWARDS THE, TOWARDS THE PARK, IT, THE UNITS AND THE DENSITY COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, DONE, TASTEFULLY CAN POTENTIALLY BUILD UP, IN WHICH CASE YOU GAIN SOME DENSITY, RIGHT? AS IT GOES BACK THAT WAY AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, 13 IS 13 UNITS PER ACRE I THINK IS STILL A PROBLEM. 
          IT WOULD END UP BEING THAT MONOLITHIC BLOCK OR, YOU KNOW, SOME VARIANT OF IT THAT IS, UH, SOMEWHAT DISAGREEABLE. 
          UM, I THINK THERE HAS TO BE SENSITIVITY, SENSITIVITY TOWARDS, UH, ADJACENCIES TOWARDS THE COS GRAY SIDE AND THEN THE VILLAGE SIDE ON THE NORTH AND THEN GETTING AWAY FROM IT. 
          HOW DOES IT STARTS TO BLEND TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT? I THINK I COULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT. 
          UM, YOU HAD, AND, AND BY THE WAY, GREG, KUDOS SECTION A IS REALLY THE X IN THIS. 
          YOU ARE, YOU ARE SPOT ON IN THAT REGARD. 
          UM, YOU, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTIONS IN PARTICULAR, 'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE I COVERED 'EM. 
          YOU ASKED ABOUT THE 150. 
          AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S AN INTENT AND A CHARACTER QUESTION. 
          UM, LAND USE, UH, MANY OF US HAVE RESPONDED TO THAT, THE REGIONAL PARK, UM, JUST LOVELY DENSITY, MASSING HEIGHTS, UM, ALL SORT OF WEAVE INTO THIS CONVERSATION. 
          AN ARCHITECTURE STYLE, ARCHITECTURE STYLE. 
          AGAIN, I'M GONNA GO TO THE INTENT AND THE CHARACTER OF THE AMLIN VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHATEVER THAT INTENDS TO BE, I THINK STARTS TO IMPACT THIS IN A VERY MEANINGFUL WAY IN THE STYLE AND, AND THE AESTHETIC, UM, TO HELP FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SUE BLACK. 
          MR. SCHNEER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, I, I'D SAY I'M, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE, UH, OR AM SUPPORTIVE, UH, UH, OF THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          SO I'LL FOCUS SORT OF ON, ON A AND ON PROBABLY THE WORD OF THE DAY, THE, YOU KNOW, THE DENSITY ISSUE. 
          THIS IS INTERESTING BECAUSE IF YOU CLOSE ONE EYE OR YOU TURN IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, THE, TO THE, NO, LET'S SEE, TO THE NORTHEAST OR TO THE EAST IS THE REAR SECTION OF BALL TRAY, AND THOSE ARE CONDOS AND QUITE DENSE TO THE WEST ARE MANUFACTURED HOMES. 
          THERE'S, UM, I THINK I SAW STORAGE UNITS APPROXIMATE, SO YOU COULD, DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION YOU LOOK, YOU COULD JUSTIFY LITERALLY ANY DENSITY. 
          BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE CONCEPT OF THIS AMLIN VILLAGE AND THE, THE CHARACTER OF THAT. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK IN THAT DIRECTION, IT'S GONNA POINT YOU TO SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, THAT'S LESS DENSE. 
          SO HOW DO YOU THREAD, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU THREAD THE NEEDLE? UM, THAT'S THE QUESTION. 
          AND I, I'LL GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, MY RESPONSE TO THAT. 
          UM, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB IN DOING SO. 
          UM, I HATE TO PUNT AND SAY THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS, BUT I'D SAY I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF 
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THAT DENSITY. 
          BUT, UM, AS COMMISSIONER, WE SAID, UH, THAT IF IT, IT WOULD LOOK, IF THERE'S A WAY TO MA RETAIN THAT DENSITY, BUT WITHOUT THAT URBAN FEEL, AND MAY, MAYBE THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT JUST SEEMS THAT YOUR INSPIRATIONS JUST, YOU KNOW, DO LOOK TO BORROW THE WORD, YOU KNOW, SORT OF MONOLITHIC AND LIKE THEY WERE JUST PLOP DOWN IN THERE. 
          SO IF THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU CAN MAINTAIN THE DENSITY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT WITHOUT MAKING IT LOOK OUT OF PLACE, AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT. 
          AND, AND IF, IF INDEED THAT'S POSSIBLE, I'D BE QUITE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. 
          BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, IT DOES GIVE ONE AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          IT IS SO UNIQUE, AND THAT'S OUR SORT OF THE WORD OF THE MONTH OR YEAR THAT WE LIKE UNIQUE, THAT IF, IF YOU CAN THREAD THAT NEEDLE AND CREATE A, A, A VERY UNIQUE SETTING THERE, THAT, THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THE URBAN RURAL DICHOTOMY, IT COULD BE VERY SPECIAL, PARTICULARLY WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE LAND USE THAT YOU'VE OUTLINED THERE. 
          SO IF THAT'S NOT TOO CIRCULAR, UH, AND, AND TRY TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, I AM SUPPORTIVE. 
          MY SUPPORT ON THE DENSITY WOULD BE CONDITIONED ON HAVING SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT FITS A AND IS SPECTACULAR. 
          B THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SCHNEER. 
          WE'VE TALKED BEFORE. 
          THIS, THIS PARCEL IS CHALLENGING TO SAY THE VERY, VERY LEAST. 
          WE HAVE A RAILROAD AND ACCOMPANYING EASEMENT, WE HAVE TWO MAJOR ROADWAYS AND ACCOMPANYING EASEMENT SETBACKS. 
          WE HAVE WETLANDS, WE HAVE A RIPARIAN CORRIDOR, WE HAVE TREE ROWS. 
          WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD PICK, PICK OUT OF A HAT, AND IT'S ON THIS PARCEL. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE 2019 R TWO ZONING COMMUNITY PLAN, AND THEN 2022, THE HAY THREE TO FIVE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT 1500 ACRES WITH A COLOR ON A MAP. 
          BUT TO MR. SEAR'S POINT, THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS, AND IT'S REALLY HOW DO WE APPLY ALL OF THOSE BROAD APPLICATIONS AND THE SPECIFIC CODE TO A SINGLE PARCEL. 
          UH, YOU'RE FOR US TONIGHT FOR AN INFORMAL REVIEW. 
          AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT, HEY, THIS IS KIND OF THE HOUSING TYPE THAT WE'RE KIND OF GOING FOR. 
          AND AS THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS, THE NEXT STEP COULD COME BACK. 
          WE, WE UNDERSTAND AND WE AGREE ABOUT THE INFORMAL REVIEW PROCESS, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFERENT IF, IF THE APPLICATION COMES BACK NEXT AND YOU, YOU PICK ONE OF THE HOUSING TYPES AND BUILD OUT THE ENTIRE BUILDABLE AREA IN THAT ONE HOUSING TYPE, OR YOU ARE LOOKING AT, HEY, LET'S PROTECT THAT CONSERVATION AREA, BUT WE WANT TO EAT UP SOME OF THE EASEMENT AREAS FOR OTHER REASONS. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IN THE NEXT STEP IS A BALANCE OF HOUSING. 
          A MIX OF HOUSING. 
          I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DENSITY. 
          I THINK THAT ONE OF THE BEST DONE LITTLE AREAS, IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN ISOLATION, IS THE LITTLE CORONE WITH THE 55 PLUS NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT ABOVE IT. 
          IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT HAS THE DENSITY THAT IT HAS. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH THEIRS IS WATER AND YOURS IS WETLAND AND TREES, IT COULD LOOK LIKE THE SAME THING. 
          THEY GET AWAY WITH THE BALANCE OF THAT BIG BUILDING AND THE TINY LITTLE, THEY'RE NOT TOO TINY, BUT, UH, UNITS PER ACRE, IT'S QUITE DENSE ON THAT NORTHERN SECTION BECAUSE IT'S BALANCED WITH THE OPEN SPACE. 
          IT'S BALANCED WITH THAT FEATURE. 
          AND SO YOURS MAY BE A VERTICAL FEATURE. 
          THEIRS MAY BE A HORIZONTAL FEATURE, BUT IT'S NON BUILDABLE LAND. 
          AND SO I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A, A BALANCE, A MIX OF HOUSING IF WE CLUSTER SOME DENSITY AND GO HIGHER VERTICAL IN ONE AREA AND COMPLEMENT OR STEP THAT DOWN WHEN WE'RE GOING TO ADJACENT PARCELS OR WHEN WE'RE GOING TO THAT GATEWAY AREA. 
          UM, UP ON THE NORTHERN OR EVEN THE WESTERN SECTION, REALLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES. 
          SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, CRAYONS ON PAPER. 
          I'M JUST LOOKING AT PULLING A DIFFERENT SET OF CRAYONS OUT OF THE BOX. 
          SO SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS US TO CAPITALIZE ON THIS AMAZING ASSET THAT YOU HAVE, AND NOT ASKING THE REST OF THE PARCEL TO 100% COMPENSATE AT THE HIGHEST ALLOWABLE DENSITY IN THE MINOR AREA THAT'S LEFT OVER. 
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I KNOW THAT'S VERY BROAD, BUT THE IMAGES THAT THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US ARE VERY BROAD. 
          WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PINK AND A AND B THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALONG WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, ERASED TREE ROWS AND WHATNOT. 
          UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I THINK, UH, BROAD STROKES, UM, THAT THEY HIT THAT 10,000 FOOT OVERVIEW. 
          YOU HEARD MR WAY TALK ABOUT THE CONSERVATION, YOU KNOW, THE PRINCIPLES OF THAT CON CONSERVATION. 
          WE DO WANNA CLUSTER THE DENSITY, BUT JUST BECAUSE ONE PARCEL HAS A SETBACK DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE OTHER PARCEL HAS TO CONSUME ALL OF WHAT THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE WOULD BE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SACRIFICE ALL OF THE, ALL OF ITS OWN OPPORTUNITY, ALL OF ITS OWN ASSET PROTECTION. 
          UH, AS THIS IS INFORMAL, THERE'S NO DECISION THAT THE COMMISSION MAKES THIS EVENING. 
          UM, AND, AND OUR DELIBERATION NORMALLY ENDS THE DISCUSSION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          MY NAME'S STEVE SHOTTEN STEIN, UM, ONE 40 MILL STREET SUITE A MANY MOONS AGO. 
          WE CAME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL OF FOUR DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPES, FOUR. 
          AND I THOUGHT WE DIDN'T GET ANY TRACTION, SO WE THREW EVERYTHING OUT, STARTED ALL OVER, ET CETERA, WITH BASICALLY TWO DIFFERENT PRODUCT LINES. 
          I'M CONFUSED. 
          I NEED HELP HERE. 
          WE WORK WITH STAFF, THEY'VE BEEN GREAT, BUT OUR INITIAL PROPOSAL, WE HAD TOWNHOUSES FRONT LOADED, SINGLE FAMILY, EMPTY NESTER, REAR LOADED, AND OTHER TOWNHOUSES. 
          I'M CONFUSED IF I'M MISSING SOMETHING. 
          PLEASE TELL ME. 
          PRODUCT TYPE AND APPLICATION, I BELIEVE ARE, ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS, AND I WANNA GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HERE. 
          I, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE, THE HOUSING TYPE AND THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDING CONSTRUCTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT A VERY LARGE PARCEL. 
          AND HOW IS THAT LARGE PARCEL GOING TO FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY PLAN, FIT INTO THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, AND MEET THE NEEDS OF A GROWING COMMUNITY? YOU HIGHLIGHTED THE MISSING MIDDLE AND NEEDING THAT DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRODUCT. 
          WE ARE NOT SAYING NO TO ANY OF THOSE PRODUCT TYPES. 
          WE'RE WILLING TO LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE PRODUCTS TYPES. 
          IT'S THE WAY THAT THEY'RE APPLIED ON THE PARCEL. 
          IT'S THE WAY THAT THEY INTEGRATE INTO THE OVERALL COMMUNITY THAT I THINK YOU'RE HEARING DIFFERENT CONCERNS WITH FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT OUR LAST SUBMITTAL, WE HAD DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPES MIXED INTO THE DIFFERENT AREAS AND, YOU KNOW, FROM WHERE THE AMAZON DRIVER'S GONNA DROP OFF THE PACKAGES TO WHERE'S PARKING, TO WHERE ALL THIS STUFF. 
          WE HAD A CONCEPT OF DIFFERENT LOOKS. 
          SOUTH END WAS EMPTY NESTERS ABOUT 50, 60 LOTS WITH ABOUT SOME TOWNHOUSES. 
          THE NORTH END WAS SINGLE FAMILY AS WELL AS TOWNHOUSES. 
          ONE WAS FRONT LOAD TOWNHOUSES, ONE WAS REAR LOAD TOWNHOUSES. 
          I'M CONFUSED AND MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING OR MAYBE OUR PEOPLE ARE MISSING SOMETHING. 
          SO WE THREW EVERYTHING OUT AND CREATED A PARK, CREATED A SECOND ENTRANCE OFF OF RINGS ROAD AND HAD BASICALLY TWO PRODUCT LINES. 
          I, I, I I NEED SOME DIRECTION PLEASE. 
          SO, LOOKING TO STAFF, UM, THE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TONIGHT EXPRESSED SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS. 
          UNDERSTANDING THERE WERE CRAYONS ON PAPER. 
          THIS IS INFORMAL REVIEW, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME FORWARD TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION GIVEN WHATEVER, UM, NEXT STEPS THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO TAKE. 
          UH, WOULD STAFF BE WILLING TO WORK WITH PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND WITH STAFF AND, AND, EXCUSE ME, AND BY CITY COUNCIL AND WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE SOME SAMPLES OF WHAT HAS PASSED, GIVEN THE SAME TYPE? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN EXACT PARCEL SIZE AND ZONING. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING IN THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, DO WE? THAT WE'VE PASSED RECENTLY? YEAH, AGAIN, I, YES, WE CAN LOOK BACK AND SHARE SOME EXAMPLES. 
          I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU ALL RAISED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNS TEAM. 
          IT'S ABOUT THE APPLICABLE, WHAT I'M HEARING IS IT'S ABOUT 
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HOW IT'S APPLIED, RIGHT? THAT IT'S NOT THAT THERE ARE A MIX OF JUST A MIX OF TYPES. 
          IT'S HOW DOES THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FUNCTION AS A WHOLE, UM, AND HOW THAT'S APPLIED. 
          SO AGAIN, I THINK GOING BACK TO SOME OF THOSE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE MADE OR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MADE, I THINK STILL HIT ON THOSE SAME POINTS. 
          UM, SO WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND SEE HOW THAT ALL FITS TOGETHER TO HELP CLARIFY, RIGHT? IT'S NOT JUST PROVIDING THE MIX OF TYPES. 
          IT'S HOW, HOW DOES IT CREATE THAT OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER? IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OKAY. 
          I THINK YOU SEE AT LEAST FOUR HEAD NODS. 
          HEAD NODS. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          MR. BOGGS, ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION? THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION? UH, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GIVEN THE MATERIAL THAT WE HAVE TO REVIEW, I THINK THAT WE'VE SPOKEN TO THAT MATERIAL AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR NEXT WITH THE DIRECTION THAT WE'VE GIVEN STAFF TO LOOK AT SOME PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE FOR US? I, I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COMMISSION, UM, OR, OR FOR THE APPLICANT MYSELF. 
          I THINK THAT WORKING WITH STAFF TO TRY TO IDENTIFY EXAMPLES THAT HAVE WORKED IN THE PAST IS A GOOD IDEA. 
          UM, OF COURSE, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE SUBMITTING THAT ACTUAL PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          UH, THAT WOULD PUT A DECISION BEFORE THE COMMISSION ON WHAT THEY APPROVE OR, OR WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND OR NOT RECOMMEND. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BOGGS. 
          MR. SCHOTTENSTEIN, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR PARTICIPATION THIS EVENING. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A, A TIME CONSUMING AND SOMETIMES LABOR OF LOVE, SOMETIMES MUCH TO YOUR CHAGRIN, BUT WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH STAFF AND, AND DISCOVER SOME OF THOSE ITEMS OR SOME OF THOSE IDEAS, AND HOPEFULLY COLLABORATIVELY COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. 
          UH, A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. UNDERHILL. 
          WONDERFUL TO SEE YOU AGAIN, MR. SCHOCK. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
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UH, MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT CASE THIS EVENING, UH, CASE 24 DASH 0 1 9 80 MO AND I'M SURPRISED, MR. WE ISN'T, YOU KNOW, BOUNCING UP AND DOWN BECAUSE THIS IS OUR UPDATE ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN, A VITAL POLICY DOCUMENT THAT GUIDES DEVELOPMENT, GROWTH AND INFRASTRUCTURE EXPANSION BASED ON THE CITY'S STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES AND THE COMMUNITY SHARED VISION, VISION FOR THE FUTURE. 
          MR. WY AND I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF BEING ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THE ENVISION DUBLIN, AND IT HAS BEEN, UH, QUITE A PLEASURE. 
          MS. ROUSH, I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR UPDATE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A LITTLE LATE. 
          I WAS SHARING A SIMILAR PRESENTATION, UM, WHICH WITH A NUMBER OF JOINT ADVI WITH, UM, ANOTHER ADVISORY COMMITTEES, UM, THAT THE CITY HAS. 
          SO, UM, OUR CHIEF'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, COMMUNITY INCLUSION GROUP, VETERANS COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY SERVICES GROUP. 
          SO I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THAT WITH THEM. 
          AND THEN I LEFT THAT TO COME HERE. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY HAD A LITTLE FACILITATED DISCUSSION, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING, BEING LATE. 
          SO, UM, AS MS. CALL MENTIONED, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF OUR ENVISION DUBLIN, UM, COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE, UM, WHICH IS VERY HEAVILY, UH, A LOT OF HEAVILY ENGAGED, UM, PARTNERS HERE ON THE STAFF SIDE, BUT ALSO JUST WANTED TO FLASH UP SOME, UM, NUMBER OF CONSULTANTS. 
          SO AGAIN, WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERTISE INTERNALLY. 
          UM, BUT THIS IS A VERY LARGE SCALE PROJECT, SO WE NEED TO RELY ON OUR ALSO SKILLED CONSULTANT PARTNERS. 
          SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THEM THAT ARE HELPING WITH, WITH VARIOUS COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. 
          SO TONIGHT I'M GONNA TALK THROUGH, I'M GONNA KICK US OFF HERE AND JUST TALK ABOUT THE PLAN IN GENERAL, WHAT IT'S INCLUDING, WHAT THE STEERING COMMITTEE'S, UM, SORT OF INITIAL CONVERSATIONS FOCUSES, WHO WAS ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE, UM, AND WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. 
          AND THEN, UM, AS I'M SURE YOU SAW IN YOUR PACKET, IT WAS A VERY LENGTHY MEMO, UM, AND AGAIN, REALLY MEANT TO GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE SHARED, UM, IN DISCUSSION WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AND THEN I DID WANNA HIGHLIGHT, UM, THAT WE INCLUDED IN YOUR ONEDRIVE, UM, AREA A WHOLE SORT OF LIBRARY OF THINGS. 
          SO EVERY TIME THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT COUNCIL, UM, EVERYTHING THE STEERING COMMITTEE HAS SEEN PUBLIC COMMENT AND SUMMARIES FROM PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES. 
          AND THEN SOME OF OUR INITIAL DELIVERABLES ARE ALSO IN YOUR ONEDRIVE FOLDER. 
          SO YOU CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. 
          UM, AND REALLY TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU WANNA READ ALL ABOUT THAT YOU CAN. 
          UM, BUT THAT INCLUDES, AGAIN, NOT JUST THE PLANNING PIECE OF THIS FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT, BUT TRANSPORTATION, MOBILITY AND UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS, UM, WHAT THE SECOND, THIRD PARTS OF THIS PRESENTATION WILL BE. 
          AND THEN, UM, I'M GONNA HAVE JEANNIE WILLIS COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION PART, UM, 'CAUSE SHE AND HER TEAM ARE LEADING THAT COMPONENT, UM, WITH SOME CONSULTANT SUPPORT AS WELL. 
          AND THEN 
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PAUL HAMMERSMITH, UM, IS GONNA COME AND TALK ABOUT UTILITIES, UM, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE ANALYSIS OF THAT. 
          SO TRY, I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT HIGH LEVEL TONIGHT. 
          IT'S A LOT OF DETAIL. 
          WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE TIME SORT OF SET ASIDE ON SOME OF OUR OTHER UPCOMING PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA. 
          SO IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE WANT, NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          UM, AS THE STEERING COMMITTEE CONTINUES TO SEE THINGS AND THAT EVOLVES, WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT BACK TO YOU AS WELL. 
          'CAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS ENDS UP WITH YOU ALL SEEING A FINAL PLAN THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ACCEPTANCE. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          UM, AGAIN, KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE TWO OF YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT REPRESENT PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE, BUT IN THE END, THIS BODY AS A WHOLE HAS TO LOOK AT IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, I THINK YOU'RE ALL PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMUNITY PLANS. 
          SO IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT THAT FORWARD THINKING POLICY. 
          WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TOWARD THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 20, 30 YEARS? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S HELPING TO PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH WHAT YOU NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS? UM, AND THAT DOES GET CHALLENGING WHEN WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF UPDATING, UH, THE PLAN AND PEOPLE ARE COMING BEFORE YOU WITH APPLICATIONS. 
          SO HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, ENSURE THAT THERE'S FLEXIBILITY AND ADAPTABILITY? UM, AS THINGS CHANGE? UM, AGAIN, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT ZONING. 
          THAT'S, THAT ULTIMATELY IS USUALLY AN OUTCOME OF A COMMUNITY PLAN IS UPDATES TO THE ZONING CODE TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THAT. 
          UM, SO THE COMMUNITY PLAN'S REALLY A BIG, BIG TOOL AND HELPING SET THAT STAGE. 
          UM, AGAIN, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, FOR US TO DO THIS. 
          AND WE TYPICALLY DO THIS ON A SEVEN TO 10 YEAR BASIS JUST BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF THINGS THAT CHANGE. 
          UM, BUT REALLY WANTING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE REFLECTING WHAT THE PUBLIC, UM, HAS SHARED WITH US. 
          SO WE'VE DONE SOME, UM, SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, WHICH I'LL TOUCH ON HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT JUST REALLY WANTING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALIGNING WITH COUNCIL GOALS, UM, COMMUNITY VISION, UM, HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT FROM A FISCAL STANDPOINT THAT THIS PLAN WORKS AND CONTINUES TO WORK FOR US AS A COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND REALLY HELPING TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE FEELING COMFORTABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS CONSISTENT WITH THAT PLAN. 
          BUT THEN ALSO, HOW DOES THIS COORDINATE REGIONALLY? UM, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT A LITTLE ISLAND HERE. 
          WE'RE SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES AND, AND A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE, UM, WITHIN THE CENTRAL OHIO REGION. 
          AND HOW DO WE COORDINATE THAT, UM, DEVELOPMENT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING AND HOW WHAT WE DO IMPACTS THEM AND VICE VERSA. 
          UM, SO A LOT OF COLLABORATION AND COORDINATION, UM, WITH OTHER PLANS TOO. 
          SO PART OF THIS IS JUST SO YOU ALL ARE AWARE THAT WE'RE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE OR CURRENTLY DONE. 
          SO HOUSING STUDY, OBVIOUSLY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, ALIGN WITH WHERE WE'RE OR USED TO INFORM, I GUESS, HOW WE'RE, HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOODS, PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED LAST YEAR. 
          UM, THAT RELATES VERY HEAVILY TO THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS FROM A FISCAL COMPONENT, BUT ALSO FROM A, UM, LAND USE PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND WHERE ARE WE PUTTING PARTICULAR USES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BALANCING OUR ECONOMIC BASE, UM, VERSUS OUR RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. 
          HOW DO THOSE FIT TOGETHER? UM, AND THEN WE'RE CURRENTLY, UM, IN THE PROCESS OF FINALIZING OUR SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK PLAN. 
          UM, SO THAT'S IN A DRAFT FORM AND WILL BE BEFORE COUNCIL HERE SHORTLY. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS REALLY INTERWOVEN SUSTAINABILITY. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE ITS OWN CHAPTER 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY INTENDED TO BE INTER INTERWOVEN THROUGHOUT THE PLAN. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S A REALLY KEY COMPONENT. 
          UM, AND THEN METRO CENTER, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, UM, OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT REALLY RELATES TO PORTIONS OF THAT DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN. 
          UM, AND HOW, WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT AND HOW DO WE WEAVE THOSE PIECES TOGETHER. 
          AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC CONSULTANTS JUST FOR THE PLAN UPDATE. 
          UM, SO IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, UM, WE STARTED THIS AT THE END OF 2022, SO I CAN'T CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S ALREADY BEEN A LITTLE OVER A YEAR. 
          TIME HAS FLOWN, UM, ON THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, WE'RE REALLY IN THAT SORT OF LAND USE SCENARIO, SPECIAL AREA PLAN, UM, PIECE OF THIS. 
          WE'VE BEEN IN THAT SORT OF AREA OF THE, OF THE TIMELINE AND SCOPE BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF WHAT, RIGHT, WHAT THE PLAN, WHAT THE PLAN IS GOING TO, UM, PROVIDE FOR US. 
          SO THE STEERING COMMITTEE WILL BE FOCUSING ON SORT OF FINALIZING A FUTURE LAND USE SCENARIO HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, WHICH THEN GET US TO THIS PRELIMINARY AND DRAFT, UM, FINAL PLAN, WHICH, WHICH IS EXCITING. 
          SO, UM, IN TERMS OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE, SO, UM, WITH THIS PARTICULAR UPDATE, WE'VE DONE VARIOUS VERSIONS, UM, THROUGHOUT MY TENURE HERE OF WHO'S SORT OF OVERSEEING THE WORK OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE. 
          UM, FOR THIS ENVISION DUBLIN PROCESS COUNCIL REALLY WANTED TO USE A STEERING COMMITTEE, UM, TO DO THAT. 
          SO THAT REALLY IS INTENDED TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE GROUP OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THERE ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, OBVIOUSLY PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SEVERAL MEMBERS. 
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UM, WE HAVE A RB REPRESENTATIVE. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DUBLIN AND HILLIARD CITY SCHOOLS. 
          UH, WE HAVE LOCAL DEVELOPERS, PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM SOME OF OUR CORPORATE CITIZENS, UM, AS WELL AS RESIDENTS AT LARGE. 
          AND THEN A NUMBER OF OUR, UM, THE GROUP THAT I JUST CAME FROM. 
          SO THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT GROUPS. 
          WE HAVE, UM, A NUMBER OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM THOSE COM ADVISORY COMMITTEES AS WELL. 
          SO, AND A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT TOO. 
          SO IT'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD, UM, I DON'T WANNA BE REMISS TO LEAVE OUT PTA. 
          UM, GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM A REALLY GOOD CROSS SECTION OF THE CITY. 
          SO THAT'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD, UM, REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO THEIR GOAL IS TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, ON ALL THINGS, UM, INCLUDING THE VISION AND GOALS, WHICH WAS BASED ON, UM, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR PUBLIC INPUT THAT WE'VE DONE. 
          UM, BUT THEN REALLY LOOKING AT, RIGHT, WHAT ARE WE DOING FROM A TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT, HOW WE'RE TACKLING MOBILITY, UM, UTILITIES. 
          SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, UM, MORE DETAILED DISCUSSIONS, BUT REALLY LOOKING AT THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND HELPING PROVIDE, THAT'S WHAT THE NEXT MEETING IS REALLY GETTING DOWN IN THE WEEDS OF, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE LAND USES, WE'RE SHOWING WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF? WHAT OTHER THINGS DO WE NEED TO CONSIDER? HOW DO WE BALANCE ALL THESE PIECES? SO, UM, THE STEERING COMMITTEE IS REALLY THAT SOUNDING BOARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AND, AND SORT OF THE FACE OF THE PLAN. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S BEEN A REALLY, REALLY GREAT, UM, PROCESS. 
          UM, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, I MENTIONED THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO WE DID A COMMUNITY WIDE SURVEY AT THE BEGINNING, UM, AND WE HAD OVER 600, UM, RESPONSES, WHICH WAS GREAT. 
          UM, WE MAINTAIN A, UM, ENVISION DUBLIN WEBSITE AND HAD A MAPPING TOOL AS PART OF THAT WHERE PEOPLE COULD PROVIDE COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK ABOUT, UM, IN A MAPPING FORMAT. 
          WE'VE DONE OUR TRADITIONAL PUBLIC MEETINGS, WE'VE DONE OPEN HOUSES, INPUT SESSIONS, STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, UM, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO, YOU KNOW, ATTEND COMMUNITY EVENTS. 
          WE, WE DID A, UM, AS PART OF THE 4TH OF JULY PARADE, WE WERE IN THE PARADE HANDING OUT THINGS. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR PLANNERS, THAT'S GETTING OUT OF OUR ELEMENT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE HAD A GOOD TIME. 
          UM, AND STATE OF THE CITY, UM, WE WERE, DID THE FARMER'S MARKET, SO WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE REACH, REACHING A WIDE VARIETY OF, UM, OF OUR RESIDENTS AND GETTING THEIR, THEIR INPUT IN AND, AND EXCITEMENT ON THIS. 
          UM, SO OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE PLAN, INTERACTED WITH THAT, BUT AGAIN, IT COVERS SUCH A WIDE RANGE OF, UM, AREAS AND EACH OF THOSE ARE VERY INTERTWINED. 
          SO IT'S A REALLY LIKE A BIG PUZZLE. 
          SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE FIT ALL THOSE PIECES TOGETHER? SO WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, WE DEFINED, UM, WHAT WE CALL THE PLANNING AREA, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WHAT ARE WE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IN TERMS OF LAND USE, TRANSPORTATION, MOBILITY, UM, AND UTILITIES AND, AND MODELING AND DOING ANALYSIS FOR THAT. 
          SO THE LIGHT, LIGHTER, GREEN COLOR, UM, THAT IS ALL THE AREAS THAT ARE IN, CURRENTLY IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 
          UM, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LOOKING AT LAND USE AND ALL THOSE FACTORS IN THE CITY, BUT THEN WE ARE ALSO LOOKING OUT, UM, TO OUR SORT OF, TO THAT NORTH AND WEST AREA. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH POTENTIAL OUT THERE AND THE IMPACTS OF THAT. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE HAVE IMPACTS ON THAT AREA AND VICE VERSA, UM, WITH OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO IN MOVE OUT INTO THAT AREA NECESSARILY, IT'S JUST WHAT ARE THE COM IT'S HELP TO HELP US INFORM WHAT THOSE COMPATIBLE LAND USES ARE WITHIN THAT AREA. 
          UM, AND, AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE ALIGN WITH OUR, WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          SO IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT, UM, ALL THOSE FACTORS OUT IN PARTICULARLY IN THE THAT AREA. 
          SO IN TERMS OF THE LAND USE COMPONENT OF THIS, OBVIOUSLY, UM, WE CREATE A FUTURE LAND USE MAP OUT OF THIS, UM, THAT REALLY HELPS US WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS, UM, DENSITY ASSIGNMENTS, ALL THOSE CHARACTER PIECES. 
          SO OUR INTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THIS AND THE, UH, LAND USE CATEGORIES IS TO REALLY HELP DEFINE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          OUR CURRENT PLAN IS REALLY JUST A DEFINITION OF WHAT IT IS. 
          I THINK OUR VISION FOR THIS WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CHARACTER IMAGE, MORE, UM, DETAILED INFORMATION THAT REALLY GETS TO, UM, TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT TONIGHT. 
          BUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT REALLY ALIGNS, UM, AND WHERE THESE PARTICULAR LAND USES ARE GONNA GO. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT ALONG OUR 2 70 33 CORRIDOR, THAT'S OUR LARGE EMPLOYMENT AREAS, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT ARE THE APPROPRIATE USES ALONG THAT, UM, AREA, ALSO OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, SO, WHICH IS ALL THE YELLOW SORT OF IN OUR SOUTHWEST AND LARGER NORTHEAST AREA, UM, AND PARK. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF OUR OPEN SPACES AS WELL. 
          SO ALL THESE PIECES COME INTO PLAY AS WE'RE OUTLINING WHAT THIS FUTURE LAND USE IS AND HOW WE TRANSITION BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE USES. 
          UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, THE STEERING COMMITTEE, UM, AS 
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PART OF THEIR WORK REALLY HELP TO DEFINE SORT OF WHAT THESE KEY FOCUS AREAS ARE. 
          UM, AND I HAVE A, A COUPLE TOPICS RELATED TO LAND USE AND THEN SOME FOR MOBILITY AND UTILITIES AS WELL. 
          SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE STEERING COMMITTEE, UM, SORT OF SYNTHESIZED OR WE HELP THEM SYNTHESIZE AS PART OF THAT PUBLIC INPUT. 
          SO WHAT DO WE WANNA FOCUS ON WHEN WE THINK ABOUT LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT, REGIONAL GROWTH, HOW INFILL REDEVELOPMENT REINVESTMENT HAPPENS. 
          WHAT ARE THE CHARACTER OF OUR ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS? THAT'S A REALLY KEY COMPONENT TO DUBLIN IS OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND THAT REALLY HELPS MAKE THAT SENSE OF PLACE. 
          SO HOW DO WE, HOW ARE WE MINDFUL OF THAT? UM, WALKABILITY, MAKING SURE THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, AND DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL IS VERY WALKABLE AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. 
          UM, AND THAT DISTINCTIVE COMMUNITY CHARACTER THAT YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, RIGHT THERE, IT'S, WE HAVE A UNIQUENESS, UM, TO, TO DUBLIN AND HOW DO WE HELP MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S MAINTAINED. 
          UM, AND THEN PARTICULAR TO HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGING DEMOGRAPHICS, OBVIOUSLY IN HOUSING NEEDS, UM, NOT JUST IN DUBLIN, BUT IN THE REGION. 
          AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? AND AGAIN, MAINTAINING OUR STRONG, STRONG NEIGHBORHOODS, THEN THAT SORT OF JUXTAPOSED WITH THE FISCAL PIECE OF THIS. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN ASSIGN LAND USES AND WE CAN GET YOU THERE AND WE CAN TAKE CARE OF YOUR WATER AND SEWER, BUT DOES THIS MAKE SENSE FROM A FISCAL STANDPOINT? AND CAN WE SUSTAIN THAT AND DOES THAT HELP THE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, FISCAL HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY? SO THAT'S A KEY KEY FACTOR. 
          UM, AS PART OF OUR DECISIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, CHANGING ECONOMIC TRENDS, UM, WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE REGION, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE CAPITALIZING ON, ON WHAT THOSE ARE? WHAT'S THE FUTURE OF WORK? OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, UM, AS WELL, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, AS PEOPLE WORKING REMOTELY OR PEOPLE COMING BACK TO WORK AND HOW DO WE, HOW ARE WE TREATING EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS, NEW OFFICE? UM, AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, RIGHT? WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN ANOTHER FIVE TO 10 YEARS AND NOT BEING SHORTSIGHTED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THAT FUTURE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          SO LOOKING AT THAT FROM A, UM, BIGGER PICTURE, LONG-TERM STANDPOINT. 
          UM, COMMUNITY FACILITIES AND SERVICE, OBVIOUSLY, AS I MENTIONED, PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, THAT'S A KEY KEY IDENTI IDENTIFIER, UM, FOR DUBLIN. 
          AND A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SMALL BUT MIGHTY AREA AND WANTING TO PRESERVE, PRESERVE THAT CHARACTER, UM, AND, AND HELP THAT REMAIN VIABLE, UM, IS A, IS A KEY FACTOR AS WELL AS SCHOOL CAPACITY, RIGHT? WITH ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT COMES THE NEED FOR, UM, AND IMPACTS TO THE SCHOOLS. 
          AND HOW ARE WE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT AND WORK TOGETHER, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THIS, UM, TWO SCHOOL BOARD OR NOT BOARD MEMBERS, TWO SCHOOL REPRESENTATIVES, UM, ON OUR, OUR STEERING COMMITTEE SO THAT THEY CAN HELP, UM, YOU KNOW, US UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEEDS ARE. 
          UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVIRONMENTS. 
          SO HOW ARE WE BEING MINDFUL OF THE ENVIRONMENT? AND THEN ALSO SUSTAINABILITY. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT LAND USE, THOSE ARE REALLY WHAT THE STEERING COMMITTEE IS FOCUSING ON. 
          UM, THEN TO SORT OF DRILL DOWN TO THAT SPECIAL AREA PLAN, AGAIN, THAT'S HELPING TO PROVIDE THAT MORE ILLUSTRATIVE FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, WITH THIS COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE, WE HAVE SIX SPECIAL AREA PLANS, SO BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, HISTORIC DISTRICT, DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA. 
          UM, AND THEN WE'VE TAKEN PIECES FROM, UM, THE BRIGHT ROAD AREA AND SHIRE RINGS AREA AND REALLY MADE THIS EMERALD CORRIDOR. 
          SO IT'S REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING ALONG THAT WHOLE EMERALD CORRIDOR THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT SHIFT, UM, THAN WHAT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN. 
          UM, BECAUSE THAT'S, AGAIN, ONE OF OUR KEY EMPLOYMENT CORRIDORS. 
          AND WHAT'S THE CHARACTER OF THAT, UM, THE SOUTHWEST AREA, WHICH, UM, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TONIGHT. 
          AND THEN THE WEST INNOVATION. 
          SO EACH OF THOSE WILL HAVE THAT SORT OF MORE DRILLED DOWN VERSION AND RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WITHIN, WITHIN THOSE AREA PLANS AS WELL. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DETAIL, BUT REALLY LOOKING AT, RIGHT, WHAT, WHERE DO WE SEE THESE FUTURE ROADWAY NETWORKS, UM, GOING AND HOW DO WE HELP MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND COUNCIL'S DESIRE AND, AND ULTIMATELY, RIGHT, BEING ABLE TO PHASE THESE IMPROVEMENTS OVER TIME. 
          THAT, THAT'S A REALLY KEY COMPONENT TO, UM, OUR THOROUGHFARE PLANNING. 
          UM, AND THAT REALLY ALIGNS WITH, UM, THE STEERING COMMITTEE'S, SORT OF KEY FOCUS AREAS FOR TRANSPORTATION. 
          MOBILITY IS LOOKING AT OTHER MOBILITY OPTIONS, WALKABILITY, UM, AND THEN SORT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE REGION IN TERMS OF THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, WHAT'S HAPPENING LOCALLY ON THE, IN THE NETWORK, UM, AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? AND THEN HOW DOES THAT LOOK, HOW DOES THAT FEEL? SO WHAT'S THAT STREETS SCAPE COMPONENT TO THIS? SO THAT'S A REALLY KEY COMPONENT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT PROVIDING ROADWAYS, BUT WHAT DO THOSE LOOK LIKE? UM, WHICH THEN REALLY TIE INTO THE MOBILITY PORTION OF THIS. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE PLAN TO, TO ADD A MOBILITY PLAN THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE. 
          SO WE HAD DIFFERENT COMPONENTS, UM, BIKEWAY PLANS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT THIS REALLY SORT OF TIES ALL THAT TOGETHER TO LOOK AT ALL MODES OF TRANSPORTATION. 
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UM, AND JEANNIE'S GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD AT THE STEERING COMMITTEE LEVEL, UM, WHICH I THINK REALLY START TO SHIFT THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY IN A REALLY, REALLY UNIQUE WAY. 
          UM, AND THEN UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER, SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? SO A LOT OF ANALYSIS, UM, HAPPENING WITH THIS UPDATE THAT FOCUS ON THAT. 
          HOW DO WE MAKE SURE, UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AND CAN DO THAT IN A SAFE, EFFICIENT, AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY. 
          UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY STORM WATER NEEDS TO, THAT NEEDS TO BE MET AS WELL. 
          SO THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF COMPONENTS FOR THAT, UM, AS PART OF THE PLAN AS WELL. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, REALLY LOOKING AT, UM, HOW DO WE LOOK AT CAPACITY AND THE COORDINATION, UM, WITH OURSELVES AND, AND TO OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, AND THEN INFRASTRUCTURE WISE, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT, LIKE DOUBLING, SO SOME OF THOSE TECHNOLOGY BASED PIECES AS WELL. 
          SO, AND THIS ALL SO EASILY COMES TOGETHER IN A NICE PRETTY BOW WITH ALL THESE TOPICS COVERED. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, REALLY LOOKING AT HOW ALL THESE PIECES FIT TOGETHER, UM, IN A REALLY MEANINGFUL WAY. 
          SO IT'S BEEN AN, IT'S BEEN AN EXCITING, UM, PROJECT TO BE A PART OF. 
          UM, SO I'M, AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO JEANNIE AND LET HER TALK ABOUT, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY COMPONENT OF THAT. 
          AND THEN, THEN PAUL WILL COME UP AFTER THAT. 
          AND THEN I, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE. 
          SO, GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          I AM GLAD TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO PROVIDE A, UH, BRIEF OVERVIEW FOR YOU OF, UH, THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH TO DATE, UM, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE, UM, FOR TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY SPECIFICALLY. 
          UH, THESE ARE ON THE SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE A FEW OF THE, UH, KEY ITEMS THAT I'LL BE SUMMARIZING FOR YOU. 
          WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION PARADIGM, UM, AND HOW WE ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT HERE IN DUBLIN, WHAT THE MOBILITY PLAN IS AND WHAT IT MEANS, UH, HOW THAT RELATES TO OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          AND THEN ULTIMATELY, HOW DO WE MEASURE SUCCESS FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, UH, WITH A NEW TRANSPORTATION PARADIGM. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR, UM, STEERING COMMITTEE ON WHAT GOALS DO WE WANNA SET FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. 
          UM, AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THE FIGURE ON THE LEFT, FIGURE ONE, WHICH IS OUR TRA TRADITIONAL, UH, TRANSPORTATION MODE PRIORITIZATION. 
          AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THAT PRIVATE VEHICLES ARE AT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, RIGHT? SO WITH PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES AT THE VERY BOTTOM, IN THE LONG TIME THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING HERE FOR DUBLIN AND WORKING IN THE TRANSPORTATION REALM, I HAVE HEARD CONSISTENTLY THAT OUR RESIDENTS, OUR CITY COUNCIL, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. 
          THEY WANT TO FEEL SAFE AND COMFORTABLE. 
          THEY WANT TO BE, UM, A, AN EQUAL MEMBER OF THE ROAD. 
          UM, AS A PEDESTRIAN, AS A CYCLIST, OR AS A VEHICLE. 
          UM, IT, IT'S, IT, THE PARADIGM IS CHANGING. 
          WHAT PEOPLE WANT FROM THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM ISN'T THE SAME TODAY AS IT WAS WHEN OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS WERE INITIALLY BUILT. 
          SO, UH, WHAT WE PROPOSED TO THE STEERING COMMITTEE WAS JUST LITERALLY FLIPPING THE PARADIGM. 
          LET'S PUT THE PEDESTRIANS AT THE TOP, BICYCLES, UH, TRANSIT FREIGHT, AND THEN AT THE VERY BOTTOM, OUR PRIVATE AUTOMOBILES, THE STEERING COMMITTEE HAD SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT, WHICH WAS GREAT. 
          UM, WE LOVED THE FEEDBACK AND REALLY WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS, YEP, WE AGREE THAT PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES SHOULD BE UP THERE CLOSER TO THE TOP. 
          THAT'S A GREAT GOAL. 
          ASPIRATION. 
          HOWEVER, WE DON'T WANT PRIVATE AUTOS AT THE BOTTOM BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE A VERY, UM, DEPENDENT, UM, COMMUNITY ON THE SINGLE, UM, OCCUPANCY VEHICLE. 
          SO LET'S FLIP THOSE LAST, UM, THREE. 
          SO BASICALLY WE FLIPPED THE FREIGHT AND THE PRIVATE AUTOS, SO WE HAVE MORE, UH, SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLE, MORE CARS ON THE ROADS, LESS HEAVY VEHICLES. 
          LET'S FLIP THOSE TWO SO THAT IT'S A LITTLE MORE BALANCED FOR WHAT IT IS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN DUBLIN. 
          SO EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE, UM, WORKING ON FROM THIS POINT FORWARD IS NOW FOCUSED ON FIGURE THREE TO THE, UH, RIGHT. 
          AND WHAT THAT WILL DO, UM, IS REALLY START TO, UM, PRIORITIZE, UM, SLOWER SPEEDS ON OUR STREETS, NARROW, NARROW WHERE ROADWAYS, UH, AND SLOWER TRAFFIC, WHICH THEN WILL CREATE MORE MOBILITY OPTIONS AND HELP PEOPLE, UM, BE ABLE TO CHOOSE OTHER TYPES OF, UM, TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE 
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THE ROADWAYS FEEL DIFFERENT INHERENTLY. 
          SO THE MOBILITY PLAN, WHAT IS IT? THE MOBILITY PLAN IS MULTIMODAL. 
          AND OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, DUBLIN HAS PLACED A, A SIGNIFICANT FOCUS ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF MODALITY, UH, PEOPLE WALKING, PEOPLE ROLLING TRANSIT, UM, THE DUBLIN CONNECTOR, PARATRANSIT, UH, MICRO MOBILITY, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF FEATURES COMING TOGETHER HERE IN A SINGLE PLAN. 
          SO BUILDING ON THAT WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, AS PART OF THIS PLAN WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE IS A HIERARCHY FOR OUR, UM, BICYCLE NETWORK, UH, WHICH WE BELIEVE WILL BE THE BACKBONE OF THIS NEW MULTIMODAL THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          TIER ONE AT THE VERY TOP WILL BE A SIGNATURE TRAIL THAT IS GOING TO BE A VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF EXPERIENCE THAN ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE REALLY HERE IN DUBLIN. 
          MOST OF OUR, UM, SHARED USE PATHS ARE ADJACENT TO OUR, UM, ROADWAYS. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE GREAT. 
          UM, BUT, AND WE DO HAVE A FEW LIKE, INDEPENDENT TRAILS THAT ARE IN THEIR OWN GREENWAY. 
          BUT THIS IS A TRAIL THAT IS MEANT TO CONNECT THE EAST END OF DUBLIN TO THE WEST END OF DUBLIN, ALL THE WAY ACROSS PREDOMINANTLY IN ITS OWN, UH, RIGHT OF WAY, MAYBE ABOUT 16 FEET WIDE. 
          WE'RE WORKING ON WHAT THOSE PARTICULARS ARE AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT'S GONNA SERVE AS THE BACKBONE. 
          AND THEN BUILDING FROM THAT, WE WILL START TO WORK WITH, UM, IDENTIFYING COMMUTER ROUTES, CONNECTOR ROUTES, THE LOCAL ROUTES, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE PRIVATE PATHS, WHICH ARE PREDOMINANTLY THE MUIRFIELD SYSTEM PATHS. 
          WE WORKED WITH OUR STEERING COMMITTEE AND WE ASKED THEM, OKAY, GUYS, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL THINK IS A GOOD IDEA, UM, HOW SHOULD WE START TO STRUCTURE WHAT THOSE, UM, BIKE NETWORKS AND THAT HIERARCHY, UH, WHAT SHOULD THOSE START TO LOOK LIKE? AND THE RESULT ARE THESE THREE MAPS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET FROM OUR STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          UH, THEY HAD A LOT OF FUN ROLLING UP THEIR SLEEVES. 
          THEY GOT OUT THEIR MARKERS, UH, AND THEY HAD A LOT OF THOUGHTS AND IDEAS ABOUT HOW THEY WANTED TO SEE OUR, UM, BIKEWAY NETWORK EVOLVE. 
          UM, AND SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON TAKING ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK AND THEN, UH, INCORPORATING IT INTO A NEW, UM, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. 
          AND NO TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN WOULD BE COMPLETE WITHOUT A THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A, AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND A MULTIMODAL, UH, PLAN, WE WILL STILL NEED A THOROUGHFARE PLAN AS, WHICH, AS JENNY MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'LL DEFINE RIGHT OF WAY, WITS, NUMBER OF LANES. 
          UM, TH THOSE, THOSE ELEMENTS ARE STILL VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UH, AND SO WE WILL BE CREATING AN ACTUAL THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          SO HERE'S A COPY OR, UH, AN IMAGE OF WHAT OUR CURRENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, IT DOES PROVIDE US THE GUIDE FOR OUR FUTURE ROADWAY NETWORK. 
          UM, AND AS YOU EVEN SAW TONIGHT, UM, THROUGH, UH, THE, YOUR INFORMAL CASE REVIEW, IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT, UM, ELEMENT THAT IS USED WITH OUR, UM, DEVELOPMENT CASES AND PROJECTS THAT COME FORWARD. 
          UM, AND IT WILL DEFINE, IT DEFINES OUR FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS, THE PROS PROPOSED NUMBER OF LANES AND OUR RIGHT OF WAY WIDTHS. 
          SO AGAIN, WE ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS OF OUR STEERING COMMITTEE ABOUT WHAT IDEAS DOES THE STEERING COMMITTEE HAVE, ABOUT HOW OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN SHOULD EVOLVE, UM, THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          AND AGAIN, THE STEERING COMMITTEE HAD SOME VERY, UH, DISTINCT IDEAS AND THEY SHARED THEM WITH US. 
          UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE ARE JUST, THEY'RE SMALL, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT, UM, THEY DID SHARE THEIR IDEAS OF HOW OUR, UM, THOROUGHFARE PLAN SHOULD EVOLVE, UM, BASED ON WHERE THEY THINK THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE IS GOING. 
          SO HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN CALLING OUR, UM, SCENARIO TWO OF OUR POTENTIAL OR, UM, PROPOSED, UH, FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. 
          UM, AND SO BASED ON THIS, WE TAKE, WE CONVERT THIS MAP INTO WHAT WE CALL SOCIOECONOMIC DATA, WHICH BECOMES, UM, OUR EMPLOYMENT, UM, THE NUMBER OF, UM, UM, DWELLING UNITS, UM, GROSS FLOOR AREAS, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE THEN CREATE A, BASICALLY A MASSIVE SPREADSHEET THAT WE BREAK INTO OUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ZONES AND WE, UM, APPLY THAT SOCIOECONOMIC DATA 
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AND FIGURE OUT WHERE ALL THE TRIPS ARE GOING TO GO AND THEN PLACE IT ON OUR ROADWAY NETWORK. 
          SO, UM, THERE ARE BASICALLY, UH, TWO ROADWAY NETWORKS THAT WE ANALYZE BASIC. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS ALWAYS OUR EXISTING PLUS COMMITTED NETWORK. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT IS OUR CURRENT, UM, ROADWAY NETWORK WITH, UM, EITHER PLANNED OR COMMITTED, UM, PROJECTS THAT ROADWAY PROJECT TRANSPORTATION, UM, IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT HAVE EITHER BEEN BUILT OR THEY ARE COMMITTED FOR FUNDING. 
          SO WE TOOK THAT LAND USE AND WE APPLIED IT TO THAT PARTICULAR NETWORK. 
          AND IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN THE EXISTING FIVE YEAR CIP, MAYBE SOME PROJECTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OUR BORDERS THAT WE KNOW THAT HAVE EITHER BEEN BUILT OR ARE ALSO PLANNED TO BE BUILT. 
          AND WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          THIS IS ALL OUT IN YEAR 2050 AND IT ASSUMES FULL BUILD. 
          SO, OKAY, SO YEP, YOU SEE SOME RED, BUT PREDOMINANTLY WHAT WE SEE IS OUT IN THE WESTERN AREA WHERE THERE REALLY ISN'T A LOT OF, UM, ROADWAY NETWORK OR A GRID ESTABLISHED. 
          SO THESE RESULTS FOR US WERE NOT VERY SURPRISING. 
          WHAT IS GOOD TO SEE IS THAT THE MAIN BALANCE OF DUBLIN FUNCTIONS WELL EVEN OUT INTO 2050. 
          THAT MEANS THAT WE ARE, WE'RE STABLE, THAT THE, UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE, THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE TO DATE THE PROJECTIONS, THE, THE PLANNING WORK THAT WE'VE DONE IS SERVING US WELL AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE US WELL. 
          SO IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE IMPACTS, UM, OUT IN THE WESTERN AREA, WE DID APPLY THE, UM, THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IDENTIFIED BY THE STEERING COMMITTEE THAT LARGELY, UM, DEVELOPED OUR, UM, EXISTING PLUS COMMITTED PLUS FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO THE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS ARE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NOT YET, UM, FUNDED, BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THEY WILL BE NEEDED. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE STILL SOME AREAS OF, UM, RED IN THE AREA, UM, NORTH OF 1 61 THAT ARE IN OUR PLANNING BOUNDARY, BUT NOT WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 
          UM, AND SO WHAT THAT'S REALLY TELLING US IS THAT, AGAIN, MORE ROBUST ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, MORE OF A GRID ARE GOING TO BE NECESSARY, UM, IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THOSE IMPACTS. 
          BUT IN THE SOUTHWEST AREA, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT MUCH OF THAT RED HAS BEEN MITIGATED AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE ANTICIPATE, UH, THAT WE WILL NEED WILL SERVE US WELL AND ADDRESS MUCH OF THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND SO AS A RESULT, THIS IS OUR DRAFT PRELIMINARY THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          UM, I DO EXPECT SOME CHANGES TO THIS BASED ON, UM, THE, THESE NEXT FEW CONVERSATIONS REGARDING LAND USE WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE. 
          SO THAT WILL, THOSE CHANGES IN LAND USE WILL HAVE THAT TRICKLE EFFECT AND IT WILL AFFECT THE, UM, THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A VERY SOLID, UM, STARTING POINT POINTS TO, UM, OR PROJECTS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UM, IN THIS PRELIMINARY THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAN WHAT WAS IN OUR, UM, EXISTING THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS THAT TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD DOES SHIFT AWAY FROM HOCHER, UM, AND IT SHIFTS FURTHER TO THE WEST, UM, TO KIND OF SKIRT BETWEEN, UM, PLAIN CITY AND THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF PLANNING AREA OF DUBLIN. 
          UM, AND THEN IT CONNECTS ALL THE WAY UP TO 42 AND ALIGNS WITH, I BELIEVE 7 36. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S A, UM, ANOTHER BRIDGE CROSSING OVER 33 BETWEEN POST ROAD AND AVERY MUIRFIELD. 
          UM, JUST AGAIN, UM, DEMONSTRATING THE NEED FOR THAT CONNECTIVITY AND DEVELOPING THAT ROADWAY NETWORK AND NOT HAVING 33 B AS A BARRIER. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, PERFORMANCE MEASURES. 
          SO THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR THE CURRENT, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN IS ALL BUILT ON THE PREMISE OF LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          UM, AND THOSE ARE TRADITIONAL GRADE TYPE LEVELS. 
          THEY'RE A THROUGH FA BEING THE BEST AND EVERYBODY'S JUST DRIVING ALONG AND THERE'S NO CONFLICT. 
          YOU DON'T EVER HAVE TO SLOW DOWN, YOU JUST GET TO GO AT YOUR WILL. 
          AND THEN F BEING, WELL, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THAT IS, RIGHT? YOU'RE STUCK, YOU CAN'T GET ANYWHERE. 
          UM, THE FLOW IS UNSTABLE. 
          ONE PERSON TAPS THEIR BRAKE AT THE WRONG TIME AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, UPSTREAM JUST GOES, IT'S JUST BAD, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          SO, BUT THAT'S ALL BASED 
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ON VEHICULAR PERFORMANCE. 
          AGAIN, IT DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THE TOTAL SYSTEM. 
          SO, UM, THAT IS STILL IMPORTANT IN CERTAIN AREAS IN DUBLIN. 
          SO PARTICULARLY OUR ROADWAYS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE FREEWAYS OR HAVE CONNECTIONS, UM, TO THE FREEWAYS VIA INTERCHANGES. 
          BUT BASED ON THE NEW PARADIGM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WE HAVE PROPOSED AND THE STEERING COMMITTEE, UM, LIKED, I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT. 
          UM, DIFFERENT KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS OR KPIS. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE DOING, UNLESS YOU'RE ON THOSE LIKE SAY IN AVERY MUIRFIELD OR A FRANCE ROAD WHERE WE ARE CONNECTING DIRECTLY TO THE INTERSTATES, WE ARE PUTTING OUR VULNERABLE ROAD USERS FIRST. 
          WE ARE DESIGNING WITH THEM IN MIND FIRST AND THEN BUILDING EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT. 
          WHAT WE WILL DO IS RATHER USING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AS OUR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATOR, WE WILL BE USING A DEMAND TO CAPACITY RATIO. 
          SO THAT MEANS HOW MANY PEOPLE WANNA GET THROUGH VERSUS HOW MUCH CAPACITY IS AVAILABLE. 
          WE WILL USE A 1.2, UM, DEMAND TO CAPACITY RATIO. 
          SO THAT MEANS THAT WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEMAND THAN WE DO CAPACITY, BUT THAT'S AT CERTAIN KEY TIMES OF THE DAY. 
          BUT WHAT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO DO IS TO HAVE A BETTER, MORE FULL USE OF THE ROADWAY AT THOSE OFF-PEAK TIMES, WHICH IS VERY CRITICAL. 
          AND THEN WE ARE ALSO, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMUNITY PLAN SETTING A MAXIMUM CORRIDOR SIZE, WHICH IS IN EMERALD PARKWAY. 
          UM, WE HAVE SAID THAT THERE ARE, WE DON'T REALLY WANT ROADWAYS LARGER THAN THAT HERE IN DUBLIN. 
          UM, WHICH THEN RESULT, UH, CORRELATES TO A MAXIMUM INTERSECTION SIZE. 
          SO THE RESULTS OF THESE NEW, UM, PERFORMANCE INDICATORS WILL CORRESPOND DIRECTLY TO PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE SAFETY WITH, UH, WITH REGARDS SPECIFICALLY TO ROADWAY WIDTHS AND REDUCED CROSSING WIDTHS. 
          SO THAT ALSO THEN LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF CONFLICT BETWEEN THAT VULNERABLE ROAD USER AND VEHICLES IN THE ROADWAY. 
          AND ULTIMATELY, TRAVEL SPEEDS WILL THEN START TO SLOW DOWN. 
          SO THAT IS WHAT WE BELIEVE THAT OUT, WHAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS TOLD US THAT THEY WANTED OVER TIME. 
          SO AGAIN, THE STEERING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS SO FAR HAVE BEEN TO, UM, REDO OR TO USE THE MAXIMUM, UM, DEMAND CAPACITY RATIO VERSUS LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          UH, THEY HAVE ALSO AGREED THAT USING A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT AS OUR FIRST INTERSECTION SOLUTION TO USE AND TO ANALYZE, UM, VERSUS LARGER TRAFFIC, UM, SIGNALED TYPE INTERSECTIONS, NARROWER TRAVEL LANES, AND THEN SEPARATED ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES ON OUR COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS SO THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DEDICATED SPACE IN THE ROADWAY. 
          AND WITH THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TURN IT OVER TO PAUL. 
          OH, IT'S ALREADY UP AS FAR AS IT'LL GO. 
          HEY, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M PAUL HAMMERSMITH, THE DUBLIN DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. 
          UM, AND I'M ACTUALLY FILLING IN THIS EVENING FOR MICHAEL HENDERSHOT, WHO IS OUR DIRECTOR OF UTILITIES AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. 
          SO HE APOLOGIZES FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO BE HERE. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY'S PUBLIC WATER AND SANITARY SEWER SYSTEMS FOR YOU THIS EVENING. 
          AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT SOME JURISDICTIONAL SERVICE BOUNDARIES SERVED AND UNSERVED, AS WELL AS THE CITY OF DUBLIN SANITARY SEWER SHEDS. 
          AND IN OUR WATER PRESSURE DISTRICTS. 
          I'LL ALSO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF KNOWN PUBLIC SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY LIMITATIONS, AS WELL AS A STATUS UPDATE ON THE PUBLIC WATER AND SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS EFFORTS. 
          SO ON THE SCREEN YOU'LL SEE, UM, OUR, OUR DIFFERENT SERVICE AREA BOUNDARIES. 
          THE CITY OF COLUMBUS PROVIDES WATER AND SANITARY SEWER SERVICE TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN THROUGH SERVICE AGREEMENTS. 
          AND WE JUST UPDATED OUR SERVICE AGREEMENTS, UH, WITH THE CITY OF COLUMBUS LAST YEAR. 
          THE MAP ON THE SCREEN HIGHLIGHTS THE DIFFERENT SERVICE AREAS. 
          SO AS YOU LOOK AT THAT EXHIBIT, THE DARK GREEN AREA IS THE AREA CURRENTLY SERVED, UH, WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 
          AND THEN THE LIGHTER GREEN IS THE EXPANSION AREAS OUTSIDE THE CITY OF DUBLIN CORPORATION LIMITS. 
          I'LL LET YOU LOOK AT THAT JUST FOR A SECOND. 
          AND AS WE MOVE ON, AND YOU'LL SEE ON THIS MAP AND SUBSEQUENT MAPS, A LAYER OF INFORMATION IS ADDED TO THE PREVIOUS MAP. 
          SO THIS MAP SHOWS AREAS WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN THAT ARE CURRENTLY SERVED AND UNSERVED. 
          AN UNSERVED AREA INDICATES THAT PUBLIC UTILITIES HAVE NOT BEEN 
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EXTENDED, UH, TO THE SUBJECT AREA. 
          THIS MAP SHOWS THAT A, UH, UH, TO IN OUR NORTH END, AND IT'S REALLY THAT LIGHT BLUE AREA, UH, JUST NORTH OF SUMMIT VIEW ROAD. 
          UH, BUT THAT AREA IS AN AREA WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN, UH, THAT IS SERVED BY, UH, DELAWARE COUNTY, AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 210 ACRES UP IN OUR NORTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE CITY. 
          THE MAP ALSO SHOWS CITY OF THE CITY OF COLUMBUS SERVICE BOUNDARY THAT EXISTS TO THE SOUTH AND EAST, AND THEY WERE SHOWN IN BLACK. 
          UM, THAT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL. 
          IT WAS JUST, UH, BE ABLE TO HIGHLIGHT THE AREA. 
          MOVING ON. 
          OTHER JURISDICTIONAL SERVICE BOUNDARIES HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED ADJACENT TO AN OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN CORPORATION LIMITS. 
          THE MAP SHOWS THE EXISTING SERVED AREAS BY THOSE OTHER JURISDICTIONS. 
          THE CITY OF PLAIN CITY EX UH, EXISTING SERVED AREAS ARE TO THE WEST, AS SHOWN IN ORANGE AND LABELS. 
          PLAIN CITY IS, UH, IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT GIVEN THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S, EXPANSION AREAS TO THE NORTHWEST ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CURRENT CORPORATION LIMITS. 
          AND THIS IS AN OVERLAP IN SERVICE AREA WITH THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. 
          UH, A PORTION OF THAT AREA HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AND IS BEING SERVED BY MARYSVILLE AS SHOWN IN THE PINK. 
          SO THAT'S THE AREA THAT'S UP ALONG, UH, 33 AND THAT CORRIDOR AND THE INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY CORRIDOR. 
          UM, AND THAT SYSTEM'S ACTUALLY BEEN IN PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          UH, ORIGINALLY IT WAS ESTABLISHED BY UNION COUNTY, UH, AND THEN THROUGH AN ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT BACK IN 2006, THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE TOOK OVER THAT CITY FROM OUR SYSTEM, FROM THESE, UH, UNION COUNTY AND, AND CURRENTLY OPERATES IT TODAY AND HAS BEEN EXPANDING IT. 
          THE NEXT MAP HIGHLIGHTS, UH, THE OVERLAP IN SERVICE AREAS WITH THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, UH, THAT IS UNSERVED AND IS SHOWN IN PURPLE. 
          UH, THE MAP ALSO SHOWS THE GLACIER RIDGE AREA METRO PARK, UM, THAT IS APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND ACRES. 
          UM, AND THAT THE METRO PARK DOES HAVE, UH, WATER SERVICE UP JUST ACROSS FROM GLACIER RIDGE, UM, AT ONE OF THEIR FACILITIES. 
          BUT AS PART OF OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE METRO PARKS, THE METRO PARKS, UH, WILL NEVER ANNEX TO THE CITY. 
          SO IT'LL ALWAYS REMAIN OUTSIDE OF OUR CORPORATION LIMITS, AND HONESTLY IS NOT INTENDED TO REALLY HAVE, UH, MUCH MORE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC UTILITIES. 
          THE CITY OF DUBLIN, UH, IN TERMS OF THE SANITARY SEWER SHEDS IS COM COMPOSED OF SEVEN DIFF SEVEN DIFFERENT SEWER SHEDS. 
          UH, THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE EXHIBIT THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN. 
          UH, THEY ARE THE COS, GRAY KRAMER, NORTH KRAMER, SOUTH DEER RUN, HAY RUN, LUELLE AND FARM SOUTH NORTH FORK, INDIAN RUN, RIVERSIDE AND SOUTH FORK INDIAN RUN. 
          UM, AND IF YOU, I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THOSE AGAIN AND I'LL ACTUALLY GO THROUGH KIND OF STARTING FROM THE NORTH, BUT THE UPPER SCIOTO OR NORTH FORK, UM, SEWER SHED IS OUR LARGEST SEWER SHED. 
          AND THEN, AS YOU WOULD EXPECT, JUST SOUTH OF THERE IS THE SOUTH OREGON INDIAN RUN GOING FURTHER DOWN SOUTH COS GRAY KRAMER, NORTH KRAMER SOUTH, AND THEN THE HAYDEN RUN, UH, THE DEER RUN SEWER SHED IS REALLY IN OUR IMMEDIATE NORTH AREA, COMPRISES MOST OF, UH, THE MUIRFIELD AREA. 
          AND THEN AS WE GO ACROSS THE SCIO RIVER OVER IN OUR EAST SIDE, THAT'S THE RIVERSIDE SEWER SHED. 
          UM, UH, THE RIVERSIDE SANITARY SEWER SHED, AS I JUST INDICATED, IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SIDE OF THE RIVER AND DRAINS TO, TO THE CITY OF COLUMBUS SANITARY SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM THROUGH THE UPPER SCIOTO EAST INTERCEPTOR SEWER. 
          AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT INTERCEPTOR SEWERS. 
          THE REMAINING SEWER SHEDS ARE LOCATED ON THE WEST, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND, UH, AS I JUST WALKED THROUGH. 
          AND THEY'RE SERVED BY, YOU KNOW, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE UPPER SCIOTO WEST INTERCEPTOR SEWER. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE DEEP TUNNEL SEWER THAT WAS BUILT IN THE LATE NINETIES. 
          THAT'S DOWN ABOUT 80 OR 90 FEET BELOW DUBLIN ROAD, UH, THAT COMES UP FROM THE SOUTH FROM, UH, THE DUBLIN ROAD AREA. 
          AND THEN BASICALLY TERMINATES JUST SOUTH IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UH, THE CITY DUBLIN'S WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM IS DELINEATED INTO FOUR DIFFERENT PRESSURE DISTRICTS. 
          UH, THOSE ARE THE HENDERSON POST SMOKEY ROW AND TARTAN DISTRICT. 
          THE TARTAN DISTRICT SOMETIMES IS ALSO KNOWN BY COLUMBUS AS A HIGHLAND CROIX, UH, DISTRICT. 
          UH, AND THEN OUR SYSTEM ACTUALLY INCLUDES SIX DIFFERENT STORAGE TANKS, UM, FIVE OF WHICH THAT WE ACTUALLY OWN AND MAINTAIN. 
          AND THEN THE POR STORAGE TANK THAT'S ON SUMMIT VIEW ROAD IS ACTUALLY OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, BUT IT DOES SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND THEN WE DO HAVE FOUR BOOSTER STATIONS. 
          SO, THROUGH PREVIOUS ANALYSIS, THE CITY OF DUBLIN IS AWARE OF THE FOLLOWING CAPACITY LIMITATIONS OF THE PUBLIC SANITARY SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM. 
          SANITARY SEWER IS A CAPACITY OR EXCEEDING CAPACITY IN SOME LOCATIONS UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS WITHIN THE DEER RUN AND NORTH FORK 
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INDIAN RUN SEWER SHEDS. 
          UH, THE CITY HAS INVESTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CONSTRUCTING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TO ALLEVIATE THESE CAPACITY LIMITATIONS. 
          UH, BUT MITIGATION OF THESE DEFICIENCIES IS ONGOING, AND THAT'S JUST PART OF OUR ANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM. 
          TO ADDRESS THOSE CAPACITY LIMITATIONS, UH, THERE IS ALSO LIMITED CAPACITY UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS WITHIN THE SOUTH FORK INDIAN RUN SEWER SHED. 
          UM, AND THAT, UH, IS ONE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING A MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS ON ALONG WITH THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE. 
          THE CITY OF DUBLIN HAS EMH AND T AND MS CONSULTANTS ON BOARD TO PERFORM PUBLIC WATER AND SANCTUARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS. 
          THE ANALYSIS INCLUDES A COMPARISON BETWEEN, UH, THE NEEDS, UH, FOR THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND THE DRAFT LAND USE PLAN AND, AND, UH, WHATEVER SCENARIOS THAT COME FORWARD AS A RESULT OF THOSE DRAFT LAND USE PLANS. 
          UH, MS CONSULTANTS IS PERFORMING THE SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS IN THE SOUTH FORK INDIAN RUN. 
          AND THEN EMH AND T IS PERFORMING THE SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS IN THE SIX OTHER SANITARY SEWER SHEDS, AS WELL AS ALL FOUR PRESSURE DISTRICTS. 
          IN SOME AREAS, INFRASTRUCTURE MAY NEED TO BE IMPROVED TO ACCOMMODATE THE DESIRED GROWTH THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE. 
          IN OTHER INSTANCES, LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS MEAN MAY NEED TO BE CHANGED TO MINIMIZE SUCH IMPACTS. 
          UM, MORE DETAILED INFORMATION OF THE CAPACITY ANALYSIS WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION. 
          UH, IN THE FUTURE. 
          THE CITY OF DUBLIN WILL COORDINATE THE DRAFT LAND USE PLAN AND CAPACITY ANALYSIS WITH THE CITY OF COLUMBUS IS WE'RE REQUIRED TO, WITH OUR AGREEMENTS AS THEIR APPROVAL, UH, IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR REALLY ANY FUTURE, UH, CAPACITY INCREASES. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          AND I KNOW THAT WAS A QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR, OUR TWO OF OUR WATER AND SANCTUARY SEWER UTILITY SYSTEMS. LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO QUESTIONS. 
          , MR. WE, I, I WAS, I JUST WANTED TO PUNCTUATE A COUPLE THINGS. 
          JENNY PRESENTED, UH, A FUTURE LANGUAGE PLAN THAT WAS CALLED STATUS QUO. 
          LIKE WE JUST KIND OF DO WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT SCENARIO TWO, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE MORE AGGRESSIVE, THIS IS WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO. 
          AND SO, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY EXCITING. 
          SO YOU SAW A COUPLE DIFFERENT MAPS AND I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE'S A, A GREAT LAND USE VISION COMING OUT OF THIS. 
          UM, JEANIE, THE, THE PARADIGM SHIFT IS JUST INCREDIBLE. 
          I JUST SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          SO , I THINK THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT, UH, TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND THE ONE THING I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS A GRAPHIC DEPICTION OF WHAT THOSE CROSS SECTIONS LOOK LIKE. 
          SO YOU CAN QUICKLY REFERENCE IT BECAUSE I GO TO THAT PLAN A LOT AND IT'S VERY TECHNICAL. 
          A BOX COMES UP, IT SAYS IT'S THIS WIDE AND IT'S THIS CHARACTER. 
          BUT IF THERE WAS A GRAPHIC DEPICTION OF THE INTENT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT. 
          SO AS PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER, WE DO, UM, WE ARE, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON DEVELOPING, UH, DIFFERENT STREET SECTIONS TO ADDRESS THAT EXACT ISSUE BECAUSE WE COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          CAN I MISS, ARE WE DOING GENERAL QUESTIONS ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERYTHING WE SAW? YES. 
          UM, JUST A, IT'S A WEALTH, IT'S A WEALTH OF INFORMATION. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT TO DIGEST AT THE TAIL END OF THIS. 
          AND I'M JUST, UH, IT OCCURRED TO ME AFTER WE EVEN SPOKE ON, SPOKE PREVIOUSLY, JENNY, THAT AT SOME POINT AS OPPOSED TO, AND I HATE TO, I KNOW THIS IS A BURDEN AS OPPOSED TO EVEN ELECTRONIC FILES, TO HAVE, UH, PRINTED FILES AT SOME AT THE RIGHT TIMING TO SIT WITH IT AND DIGEST, JUST DIGEST IT WOULD BE, UM, WONDERFUL. 
          I SAW SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT METRO CENTER IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH MAYBE MY QUESTION IS, OF COURSE, IMPLEMENTATION PLAN SOUNDS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS, WHICH ARE NICE PICTURES AND, AND WORKING TOWARDS, UM, THE DESIRED INTENT IMPLEMENTATION SET PLAN SOUNDS A LITTLE MORE LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S NICE. 
          HOW ARE WE ACTUALLY GONNA GET THERE? YES, YES, I CAN ANSWER THAT. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN, LIKE THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS LOOKING AT A LARGER AREA AND AT A LARGER, LIKE A HIGHER LEVEL VIEW, UM, THE METRO CENTER IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. 
          SO WE'RE DOING THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE OVER HERE. 
          AND THE METRO IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IS SORT OF A PARALLEL PROJECT THAT'S HAPPENING. 
          THAT IS EXACTLY AS YOU SAID, IT, IT'S, IT'S, WE HAVE THIS VISION THAT'S IN THE CURRENT PLAN FOR THIS METRO CENTER AREA, UM, THAT WAS UPDATED IN 2022. 
          THIS IMPLEMENTATION PIECE IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL REALLY WANTS, WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH 
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SPECIFICALLY. 
          SO STAFF IS UNDERWAY, UM, WITH, UM, SOME HELP FROM A CONSULTANT TEAM SASAKI, UM, TO HELP DEFINE HOW HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY ENABLE ABSOLUTELY EFFECT. 
          YES, ENERGIZE. 
          LOVELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND IT'S, AND, AND MARK, OR NOT HERE, MARK, UM, CHRIS, UH, WILL IN OUR OFFICE IS MANAGING THAT PROJECT AND HE'S GONNA COME FORWARD WITH AN UPDATE HERE, UM, I THINK AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          SO YOU'LL GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT THAT IS. 
          GOT IT. 
          I JUST TO CALL OUT ON THAT METRO PLACE, THERE ARE 28, 29, HOW MANY PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE METRO CENTER? YES. 
          IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THERE ARE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE ALSO INVOLVED IN THE INPUTS. 
          SO I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THIS COMMISSION MASKS ALL THE TIME IS, HAVE YOU MET WITH THE, THE RESIDENTS WHILE THIS METRO CENTER IS THE PROPERTY OWNERS? RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO THAT IS GOING ON AS THIS IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IS BEING DRAFTED. 
          WELL, AND THERE'S A, UM, I'M, I'M JUST GONNA GENERALLY SAY I APPLAUD IT. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, WE CAN WRITE THESE THINGS AND PAINT PRETTY PICTURES ALL DAY, BUT THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY DO IT HELP CAUSE THAT TO HAPPEN IN A MEANINGFUL WAY, NOT JUST BE BE PROACTIVE, NOT REACTIVE. 
          I, I LIKE THAT AS A, UM, UM, METHOD REGARDLESS. 
          FORGIVE ME, I GOT A COUPLE MORE, UH, I DIDN'T SEE, MAYBE THESE ARE, THESE ARE FOR JEANIE NOW. 
          I, I DIDN'T SEE, AND I, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES RELATIVE TO SOME OF THESE COMMUNITY PLANS OR SOME OTHER THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          I'M GONNA SAY BRIDGES OVER THE EXPRESSWAY, RIGHT? MAYBE ONE IN METRO PLACE. 
          YEAH. 
          DID I, I I WAS LOOKING FOR THINGS LIKE THAT AND I DIDN'T NECESSARILY SEE IT IN WHAT WAS FLASHED AT US. 
          SO I'M SORRY. 
          I DID PROVIDE JUST A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OVERVIEW, BUT YES, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THE BRIDGE OVER TWO 70 FROM METRO PLACE TO, WELL, WE'RE NOT SURE IF IT'S GONNA BE AT SHIRE RINGS OR AT INNOVATION. 
          THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT AS CLEARLY DEMAR. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT, IT IS THE INTENT. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER BRIDGE OVER 33, AS I MENTIONED, UM, BETWEEN AVERY MUIRFIELD AND POST ROAD. 
          UM, SO, AND THEN OF COURSE THE JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY BRIDGE IS ALSO ANOTHER BRIDGE THAT WILL BE INCLUDED. 
          OKAY. 
          DULY NOTE. 
          WELL, AND I DIDN'T KNOW I LOOKED FOR IT SPECIFICALLY, AND A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WAS SORT OF, AGAIN, FLASHED AT US, I I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE STEPPING BACK FROM THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE IT, TO THE POINT OF ENABLING CERTAIN MOVES LIKE THAT COULD HAVE A REALLY PROFOUND EFFECT. 
          AND FORGIVE ME. 
          UM, AND THEN JUST ONE INTERJECTION, YOU KNOW, UH, JENNY PREFACED THIS, BUT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT TIME, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CONTENT AGO, UH, THAT THIS IS AN INTRODUCTION. 
          SO WE DID AS AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, ASK STAFF TO KIND OF TAKE A DIFFERENT, UM, APPROACH WITH THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          WE DON'T DO A COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE VERY OFTEN, AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERY COMMISSION MEMBER HAS THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION AND THE AMOUNT OF PREPARATION TIME SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THE NEXT MOVES VERY, UM, WELL THOUGHT THROUGH AND AS PRODUCTIVE AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO WE DID ASK, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE QUORUM LIMITATIONS BECAUSE WE ARE A, A, A, AN APPOINTED BODY. 
          UH, BUT WE DID ASK FOR MINOR WORKING SESSIONS, SO JUST A COUPLE OF COMMISSION MEMBERS AT A TIME MEETING WITH STAFF, EVERYONE GETTING THEIR TURN, EVERYONE HAVING THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND ONE-ON-ONE CONTACT TO ASK QUESTIONS AND EVERYTHING BEFORE WE COME BACK TOGETHER AS A BODY, JUST AGAIN, TO ASK QUESTIONS, TO GO THROUGH THE MATERIAL AND TO HAVE THAT DEEPER DIVE THAT MAYBE ISN'T SO EASY IN A FORUM LIKE THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          FORGIVE ME ONE MORE, AND THIS MIGHT BE A DOOZY. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA UNPACK IT HERE. 
          UM, I'M HAVING, THIS IS ME PERSONALLY, AND MAYBE I'M ASKING, ASKING THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AS WELL, JUST JUST TO TAKE, TAKE A STEP BACK AND, AND HAVE A REACTION TO IT FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH AND, YOU KNOW, PLANT THE SEED IN, IN THE BROADER CONVERSATION. 
          AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA ANSWER IT, BUT I'M HAVING AN INTERESTING REACTION TO, I'M GONNA SAY PEDESTRIAN, PEDESTRIAN DISTRICTS ARE GOOD. 
          UM, UH, NEW YORK CITY CARVING OFF AND CHANGING THEIR CITY WHEN IT'S MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE HIGHLY DENSE AND CREATING, RIGHT. 
          COMMITTING TO CERTAIN THINGS LIKE, UH, A BIKEWAYS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IS GOOD. 
          UM, WE ALL ARE STILL GONNA DRIVE TO WORK IN THE MORNING. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND OR WE'RE GONNA PICK UP OUR KIDS. 
          AND SO TO WIT, TO WIT, I, I WORRY HOW ARE WE GONNA RESOLVE THAT? THAT IS A MASSIVE, MASSIVE PARADIGM. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR ANYTHING NOW HERE OR ANYTHING, BUT YEAH, I'LL TAKE THE FIRST SWIPE AND THEN I'LL TURN SOME TIME OVER TO YOU. 
          SO KIM AND I HAVE BEEN ON THE, THE, UM, STEERING COMMITTEE FOR ENVISION DUBLIN, AND THAT, THAT 
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SOUNDS SCARY. 
          I MEAN, AS WE LIVE IN A VERY AUTO ORIENTED, UH, COMMUNITY, AND THAT SOUNDS SCARY. 
          I THINK THAT AS YOU GET INTO THE DETAILS AND AS YOU GET INTO THE APPLICATION OF WHAT THIS REALLY TRULY LOOKS LIKE, IT'S NOT, HEY, WE'RE CONVERTING A QUARTER OF OUR ROADS TO PEDESTRIAN ONLY. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHEN WE DO SHARED USE PATHS, THEY'RE WIDER. 
          WHEN WE DO CROSSINGS IT AT ROUNDABOUTS, WE SEGMENT. 
          SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CROSS ACROSS FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC TO GET FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER THAT YOU DO. 
          ONE, YOU HAVE A SAFE AREA WHERE YOU CAN PAUSE AND THEN YOU DO THE SECOND SECTION. 
          SO IT IS MAKING SURE THAT THOSE PEDESTRIANS, THOSE MORE VULNERABLE, UM, TRANSPORTATION ELEMENTS ARE PROTECTED WHILE AT THE SAME TIME UNDERSTANDING THE REALITY IS, IS WE ARE AN AUTO ORIENTED NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND SO YOU'LL SEE BIKE LANES IN HIGHER SPEED HAVE DIFFERENT IMPLEMENTATION, DIFFERENT EFFECT THAN LOWER SPEED WHEN YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S A 25 MILE AN HOUR ROADWAY. 
          WELL, KEEPING BICYCLES CLOSER TO CARS IS NOT AS SCARY AS WHEN YOU'RE ON A 45 MILE AN HOUR ROAD. 
          AND BY DOING SUCH, WE WANNA SEPARATE AND WE WANNA PROTECT THAT ELEMENT, UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS AT A COST OF EITHER A LARGER RIGHT OF WAY MM-HMM. 
           CARVING OUT THAT AREA SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE THE SEPARATION AND PROTECT THOSE VULNERABLE ELEMENTS. 
          OR IT IS A DIFFERENT CORRIDOR, AN ADJACENT CORRIDOR, AND IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. 
          SO IT SOUNDS SCARY. 
          DULY. 
          WELL, HOW ABOUT THIS? LET'S, LET'S AGREE ON THAT. 
          DULY NOTED ON THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE, 'CAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SHIFTING, RIGHT? UH, I'M GONNA SAY 80% OF OUR, UH, TRAVEL IS, TRAVEL IS IN MODE X VERSUS SHIFTING THE 80, UM, TO, RIGHT, TAKING 80 DOWN TO 40 IS, IS A BIG ASK, IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT LIFESTYLE CHANGE ACROSS THE BOARD, RIGHT? INFRASTRUCTURE, MASSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES VERSUS HAVING, UM, HAVING STANDARDS AROUND ALL THIS STUFF AND BEING WELL THOUGHT THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT DIDN'T COMMUNICATE THAT WAY, THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, AND WE ARE, WE ARE ONE BODY, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE LOTS OF PEOPLE REACTING TO THIS. 
          SO, SO MARK, I HAVE A QUE SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERENCE TO NEW YORK. 
          I I THINK YOU'RE REFERENCING THE NEW YORK MODEL AS SOMETHING MORE OF WHY WE CAN, THE PARADIGM SHIFT IS AWESOME, BUT TRUE PEDESTRIAN, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE, WE HAVE BIKE PATHS THAT ARE RECREATIONAL BIKE PASS. 
          THEY'RE NOT FUNCTIONAL BIKE PATHS. 
          SO THE NEW YORK MODEL SAYS WE'RE PUTTING MORE RETAIL, MORE SERVICES THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE BY BIKES MORE CLOSER TO NEIGHBORHOODS AS A, AS, EXCUSE ME, AS THE FULL PARADIGM SHIFT EXISTS. 
          IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS MORE MAYBE I APPRECIATE THE SAFETY, I APPRECIATE THE SAFETY OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY AGREED, AGREED, AGREED. 
          BUT IT'S MORE ABOUT GETTING, GETTING CARS OFF THE ROADS IS MORE ABOUT HAVING SERVICES ACCESSIBLE BY BIKE PATHS, NOT SAFER BIKE PATHS. 
          I MEAN, IT IS THAT TOO, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE I, MY WHERE I'M GOING IS, UH, MY WORRY, MY WORRY INITIALLY WAS IT SOUNDS VERY, VERY NOBLE. 
          IT'S RIGHTEOUS. 
          WE CAN ALL HEAD NOD TO THAT. 
          BUT, BUT DO WE END UP AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA DRIVE TO WORK IN THE MORNING AND WE'RE GONNA DRIVE TO PICK UP OUR KIDS AND WE'RE GONNA DRIVE TO THE GROCERY STORE. 
          NEW YORK IS A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, THE NOBLE PURSUIT ACTUALLY WORKS IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M GETTING AT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BIGGER CON, BUT IF YOU HAD A GR IF YOU HAD A SMALL GR MARKET, GROCERY STORE A HALF MILE FROM YOUR HOUSE ON A BIKE PATH, YOU WOULDN'T DRIVE TO THE GROCERY STORE. 
          YOU'D TAKE YOUR BIKE DOWN TO THAT STORE TO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S, AND NO, NO ONE IS TAKING THE SUBWAY IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 
          RIGHT? I I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING MAKE, MAKE THE, MAKE ALL THIS NON AUTOMOTIVE MORE FUNCTIONAL, NOT RECORD. 
          MAYBE IT'S, IT'S POTENTIAL. 
          BUT MY, MY IT'S A, IT'S A MASSIVE LIFESTYLE SHIFT FOR BIGGER THAN DUBLIN, RIGHT? AGAIN, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S A PARADIGM SHIFT. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW THAT THE WORLD IS CHANGING. 
          YOU'RE A FUTURIST, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THIS, THIS PUTS US ON THE RIGHT PATH. 
          YEAH. 
          TO DEAL WITH A CHANGING TRANSPORTATION ENVIRONMENT AND, AND JUST PET PEDESTRIANS IS A PRIORITY. 
          I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, COMING BACK TO THIS IS, THIS IS THE INTRODUCTION. 
          THIS IS NOT THE LAST TIME WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS. 
          UM, OF COURSE THERE ARE CONCERNS. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING. 
          WE ARE A PLANNING BODY. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 
          WE LOOK AT, HEY, WHAT'S COMING? AND WE TRY TO PREVENT THE RISKS. 
          WE TRY TO MITIGATE ANYTHING THAT'S COMING FORWARD. 
          THIS IS AN INTRODUCTION AND WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO DIG DOWN INTO THE DETAILS. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, I MEAN, EVERYONE HERE IS HERE FOR A REASON. 
          YOU BRING THOSE TALENTS, YOU BRING THAT PERSPECTIVE TO THE TABLE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE ALL HAVE THE INPUT. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED AND THE TIME THAT YOU NEED THE MATERIAL, THE, THE TIME THAT YOU NEED TO STUDY THAT MATERIAL. 
          BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE'RE LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION AND OTHER INTERESTED BODIES TO GO FORWARD BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE A LEGISLATIVE ACTION TO ADOPT THIS, UH, JENNY TIMETABLE 
          [02:35:01]
FOR ME. 
          YEAH, THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS HELPFUL. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, IT'S IF YOU'RE HAVING QUESTIONS AND YOU'RE, YOU UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILS OF IN A LITTLE MORE NUANCED THAN MAYBE THE AVERAGE PERSON, THAT, THAT HELPS US TO KNOW LIKE, OKAY, HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE WE'RE COMMUNICATING SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND HOW THAT, HOW THAT LOOKS. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, TIMEFRAME WISE, SO, UM, THE STEERING COMMITTEE WILL HAVE, UM, ANOTHER FEW MEETINGS HERE IN THIS, THIS SORT OF QUARTER ONE BEGINNING A QUARTER TWO, UM, OUR DESIRED TIMEFRAME TO BE BACK AND, AND BEING PRESENTING, UM, A DRAFT PLAN IS REALLY SORT OF, THAT MAY END OF QUARTER TWO, LIKE MAY, JUNE TIMEFRAME. 
          UM, SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE CALENDAR PIECE OF THIS TO WHETHER WE CAN DO SOME TYPE OF JOINT DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION SO THAT YOU'RE ALL TOGETHER AND SEEING THIS. 
          UM, AND, AND AGAIN, HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE INDIVIDUAL OR GROUPS, COUPLE GROUPS OF YOU TOGETHER TO HELP ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          NOT THAT YOU CAN'T DO THIS AS WELL, UM, BUT DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE HEARING YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS. 
          UM, AND THERE'LL BE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS IN BETWEEN THERE TOO. 
          'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO TAKE THIS BACK TO THE PUBLIC AND GET THEIR INPUT TOO. 
          SO, UM, YEAH. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE UPDATES, MEANINGFUL UPDATES TO YOU ALL, UM, AS YOU KNOW, AS THIS CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO YEAH, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR, OR AGAIN, IF THERE'S ANYTHING AFTER THAT YOU THINK OF, YOU SHOOT ME AN EMAIL AND WE CAN, UM, DEFINITELY HELP PROVIDE FOLLOW UP CONVERSATIONS. 
          SO, BUT YEAH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMUNICATIONS? 
          [Training Opportunities]
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER. 
          UM, I MENTIONED TRAINING, UM, LAST, LAST MEETING. 
          SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GO TO A PA, JUST NEED TO LET ME KNOW BY WHEN DO WE NEED TO LET YOU KNOW? UM, WE NEED TO BE MAKING AT LEAST LIKE BLOCK RESERVATIONS FOR HOTEL ROOMS. IF YOU DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY COMMIT, WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE THAT. 
          ONCE FLIGHTS ARE MADE, THAT GETS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING. 
          SO I WOULD THINK HERE MAYBE BY THE END OF FEBRUARY, IF YOU CAN GIVE US AN IDEA IF YOU WANNA GO, IF NOT BEFORE, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN ONE OTHER CALL OUT, THE COMMISSION WAS ASSIGNED, UH, CYBERSECURITY ANNUAL TRAINING. 
          OH YES. 
          THAT IS DUE BY FEBRUARY 22ND. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE NOT READ YOUR EMAIL, PLEASE READ YOUR EMAIL. 
          THE LINK TO THE TRAINING IS IN THERE. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT DATE THAT, THAT THE CITY'S LOOKING FOR IS FEBRUARY THE 22ND. 
          I ORDERED THOSE FOR YOU ALL. 
          A GUIDE TO PLANNING IN OHIO. 
          YES, I ORDERED. 
          THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          I ORDERED EACH OF YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I ORDERED EACH OF YOU A COPY OF THAT TO HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR SPENDING A FUN FILL THURSDAY EVENING WITH US. 
          I SCOOTED IT. 
          MEETING ADJOURNED.
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