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EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES, ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'LL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD AS EACH AGENDA ITEM PURSUES.
PLEASE ENSURE THAT WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, THE GREEN LIGHT ON YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON, AND YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES SO THAT WE CAN BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME THIS TIME.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR ROLL CALL.
AND WE EXCUSE MR. SCHNEER THIS EVENING.
UH, AT THIS TIME I WILL ENTERTAIN
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
A MOTION TO ACCEPT, SORRY, THOUGHT I HEARD SOMETHING.TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 18TH, 2024.
TO BE CLEAR, I THINK THERE WAS A, A FIX MISSING A LETTER.
IS THAT PICKED UP? THAT IS PICKED UP.
THAT'S IN THE PRINTED DOCUMENTS.
MS. BEAL, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MS. HARDER? YES.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD WHEN PLANNING OF PROPERTY AND REZONING ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER FOR THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT THAT COMES PRIOR TO DELIBERATION, UH, EXCUSE ME, PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN DELIBERATION, UH, BY THE COMMISSION FOR ANY OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, ANYONE INCLUDING PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ON THESE CASES, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE STAND AND STATE YOUR NAME AND REPEAT AFTER ME.
UH, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, WE ARE PROCEEDING ON WITH OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.
[Case #23-138INF]
INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK ON A PROPOSED REZONING TO CONSTRUCT TWO AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS ON A VACANT LIGHT.THE APPROXIMATELY SIX AND THREE QUARTER ACRE SITE IS ZONED PLANNED COMMERCE DISTRICT PERIMETER CENTER, AND IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF PERIMETER DRIVE AND WALL STREET.
I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE OUR CASE PRESENTATION.
DO YOU HAVE AN INTRODUCTION OR DO WE GO DIRECTLY TO THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING? WE WILL GO DIRECTLY TO THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWED BY STAFF PRESENTATION.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, ENSURE THAT THE LIGHT ON YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON.
UH, MY NAME IS BRAD PARIS WITH AL ARCHITECTS, UH, 49, UH, EAST THIRD AVENUE, COLUMBUS, OHIO.
UM, I HAVE THE PLEASURE THIS EVENING REPRESENTING, UH, MIDWESTERN AUTO GOO AUTO GROUP FOR THEIR PROPOSED, UM, UH, SORT OF EXPANSION TO, UM, THEIR CAMPUS OR THE BUSINESS IN COLUMBUS.
THIS IS, UH, PROPOSING ON A NEW, UH, PARCEL JUST NORTH OF PERIMETER DRIVE.
UM, THEY ARE LOOKING TO MOVE, UH, TWO OF THEIR BRANDS CURRENTLY THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE MAIN CAMPUS, UH, VOLKSWAGEN AND VOLVO TO THE 6.7 ACRE SITE.
HOW DO I GET THE PRESENTATION UP? THERE WE GO.
SO THIS IS THE 6.7 ACRE SITE THAT IS JUST NORTH OF, HOLD ON.
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ME? I'M TRYING TO GET THE HAND TO WORK AND MS. MULLINAX CAN ALSO CIRCLE ON THE LARGE SCREEN SO THAT IT'S PROPAGATED.SO, SO THERE'S THE SUBJECT SITE, THE 6.7 ACRE SITE, UM, AS, AS DESCRIBED IN THE, UH, STAFF, UH, REPORT.
THIS IS IN THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, THE PERIMETER CENTER SUB AREA C.
SO IT'S INDICATED THERE JUST BELOW THE WALL STREET, WALL STREET.
UM, THE PRIMARY USE FOR THIS SUB AREA IS PRI, UH, PRELIMINARY, UH, PRIMARILY OFFICE MEDICAL USE AND LIMITED AND LIGHT ASSEMBLY.
UM, ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ON C AND D AND ARE KNOWN FOR OFFICE.
UM, THE ONE TO THE WEST OF OUR SITE IS OFFICE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE OF PERSONAL SERVICES OR THE SHEDDING, UH, FUNERAL HOME.
UM, THIS SITE IS ALSO, UH, LOCATED IN OR HA HAS THE COMMUNITY PLAN OR LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY PLAN, LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE.
UM, THERE'S, IF WE LOOK TO THE EXISTING MAG SITE, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, THE ORIGINAL SITE WAS IN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND OUR EXPANSIONS THROUGH THE YEAR HAVE NOW BLED INTO THE STANDARD OFFICE AND AN INSTITUTIONAL, WHICH IS THE PINK AREA.
UM, THIS IS THE SAME SORT OF, UH, LAND USE, UH, FOR THE SUBAR SEA, UH, SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CURRENTLY.
SO HERE IS THE OVERALL SITE PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE THE VOLVO TO THE EAST AND A VOLKSWAGEN TO THE WEST.
THE IDEA IS TO, UH, COMBINE THE TWO, UH, BRANDS INTO ONE BUILDING, UH, SIMILAR TO A BMW, UH, MINI BUILDING THAT'S MA UH, THAT'S ON THE MAIN CAMPUS WITH THE SERVICE DRIVE IN THE MIDDLE AND A 26, UH, BAY, UH, SERVICE AREA.
UM, THE REAL REASON TO BRING THIS OVER IS TO REALLY EXPAND MAG'S BUSINESS.
UH, THE SERVICE BUSINESS ON THE MAIN CAMPUS HAS BECOME, UH, LIMITED IN THE NUMBER OF BAYS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THESE BRANDS.
AND SO THEY REALLY WANT TO, UH, GIVE A BETTER, UM, SALES AND SERVICE FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SITE HERE.
UM, THIS SITE, UM, WAS, UH, PURCHASED BY MIDWESTERN AUTO GROUP BACK IN 2015.
AND SO WE, WE'VE BEEN HOLDING TIGHT ON THIS, UH, TO, TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS CORRIDOR WOULD BE DEVELOPED, UH, THROUGH THE YEARS.
BUT WE FEEL THAT THIS TIME IS THE RIGHT TIME TO PROPOSE THE TWO DEALERSHIPS.
UM, ALL THE DISPLAY, UM, WOULD BE OUT IN FRONT, UH, SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, DISPLAY AREAS THAT WE HAVE AT THE MAIN CAMPUS.
UM, AND THIS SITE PLAN HAS BEEN DEVELOPED PER THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT WE ARE USING.
UH, THE PUD TEXT THAT WE HAVE AT THE MAIN CAMPUS.
THE GOAL IS, UH, THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS HERE, WE WOULD ADAPT OR ADOPT THAT, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT TEXT FOR THIS SITE.
SO AS FAR AS IT RATIO AND PARKING RATIOS, UM, AND LOCK AND GREEN SPACE, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF PRIVVY OFF OF WHAT WE'VE DONE FROM THE MAIN CAMPUS HERE.
UM, JUST IN THE KIND OF BLOWN UP, UH, FLOOR PLAN SHOWING HOW IT'S SALES ENVIRONMENT IN THE FRONT.
THE SERVICE DRIVES IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, WE HAVE SCREENED IN LOADING DOCK ONTO THE EAST.
AGAIN, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID ON THE BMW BUILDING AND DETAILING IN THE BACK.
THE IDEA IS THAT CUSTOMER AREA IS ALL IN THE FRONT OF THE SITE AND MORE OF THE SERVICE, UH, VEHICLES ARE AN INVENTORY.
UH, OVERFLOW INVENTORY WOULD BE IN THE BA IN THE REAR BUILDING.
ELEVATIONS, AGAIN, TRYING TO FOLLOW SUIT WITH THE BRAND, UH, STANDARDS FOR THE SHOWROOM.
HOWEVER, TO MERGE THAT WITH SORT OF THE CHARACTERISTIC AND MATERIALITY OF THE MAIN CAMPUS BEING A SPLIT FACE BLOCK AND, AND SORT OF STUCCO OR ETHOS, UM, ON, ON THE UPPER AREAS THERE.
AND THESE ARE JUST SOME, UH, PRELIMINARY 3D RENDERS OF, OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD, WOULD BE.
UH, VERY LIGHT AND AIR WITH A LOT OF GLASS, OBVIOUSLY ON THE SHOW.
SHOWROOM, AGAIN, TRYING TO DRAW BACK TO THE MAIN CAMPUS.
SO, SO OVERALL THAT'S FOR THE BUILDING.
I THINK REALLY TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, UH, REVOLVES AROUND THE REZONING OF THIS SITE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS, WE HAVE TO REZONE IT FOR THIS USE.
UM, JUST A COUPLE BULLET POINTS ON THIS SITE.
SO SINCE THE, UH, PCD WAS APPROVED BACK IN 1988, UM, THIS V BLAND OBVIOUSLY HAS REMAINED VACANT, UM, FROM, FROM THE USE.
UM, MAG AS A, UH, DUBLIN BUSINESS HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 1997.
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THEIR 2023, UM, UH, EMPLOYMENT, THEY, THEY HAD 2, 230 TO 240 EMPLOYEES.AND IN 2023, RU ESTIMATING AROUND 22 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN WAGES, UH, FOR, TO ALL THEIR EMPLOYEES.
THE INTENT OF THIS MOVING IT OVER WILL CREATE 35 TO 40, UH, NEW TECH JOBS, SALES AND TECH JOBS HERE FOR ROUGHLY ABOUT THREE TO THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, UM, IN ADDITIONAL WAGES.
THIS IS ALSO GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY ON THE MAIN CAMPUS TO LOOK FOR TWO NEW BRANDS TO BE, UM, LUXURY BRANDS TO BE BROUGHT ON SITE.
STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE BRANDS ARE YET, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEIR, THEIR, THEIR INTENT IS TO BRING TWO LUXURY BRANDS, UH, TO THE MAIN CAMPUS HERE AND EXPAND THE BUSINESS.
UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE SITE HERE, THE SURROUNDING OFFICE SPACE.
SOME OF THE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE ARE ON THEIR SECOND OR THIRD OR FOURTH TENANT.
SO THE DEMAND FOR THE TENANT, IT SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF TURNOVER IN THIS AREA.
UM, SO I WANNA KEEP THAT AT THE, AT THE, AT THE DISCUSSION POINT.
IT FEELS AS THOUGH THE, THE, UM, THE USE OF, UH, OFFICE, HOSPITAL OR LIGHT MANUFACTURING, THOSE HAVE BEEN SHIFTED TO OTHER CORRIDORS FOCUSED, FOCUSED IN, IN DUBLIN.
SO OFFICE KIND OF IN ANOTHER AREA THAT OBVIOUSLY HEALTH IS, HAS GONE IN ANOTHER AREA.
SO REALLY ARE THESE USES REALLY STILL PERTINENT FOR THIS CORRIDOR.
UM, AND I, I THINK, I THINK LASTLY, IT'S, IT'S ONE THAT AT, AT THE FOREFRONT OF IT, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT THERE WAS A, A, THE, THE, THE LAND FUTURE LAND USE, UM, KIND OF OVERLAY HERE.
THERE IS, THERE IS PRECEDENT HERE WHERE, UH, THAT A DEALERSHIP CAN BE IN THE STANDARD OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL, UM, OR INSTITUTIONAL, UH, SORT OF OVERLAY OF THE FLU PLAN ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
SO AGAIN, MAG IS, UM, EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS.
UM, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR MANY YEARS NOW AND, AND HOPEFULLY CONTINUES ON.
AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. PARRISH, AND WE'LL HANDLE QUESTIONS TOGETHER THIS EVENING.
SO MS. MULLINAX, I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU FOR, FOR THE APPLI, SORRY FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR INFORMAL REVIEW FOR THE MIDWESTERN AUTO GROUP.
INFORMAL REVIEWS ARE AN OPTIONAL STEP IN THE PUD PROCESS AND PROVIDE APPLICANTS WITH NON-BINDING FEEDBACK PRIOR TO SUBMITTING FORMAL DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.
CONSIDERATIONS INCLUDE HOW THE APPLICATION ALIGNS WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, AS WELL AS SURROUNDING LAND USES.
THE VACANT 6.78 ACRE SITE IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF PERIMETER DRIVE AND WALL STREET.
THE SITE IS PRESENTLY ZONED PLAN COMMERCE DISTRICT PERIMETER CENTER, AND AREAS OF THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT ARE INDICATED BY THE PINK HATCH MARKS.
THE FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION IS STANDARD OFFICE AND INSTITUTIONAL.
AS THE CITY'S COMMUNITY PLAN IS UPDATED, CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES TO GUIDE DEVELOPMENT DURING THIS TRANSITION.
THE PROPOSED REZONING AND DEVELOPMENT DO NOT ALIGN WITH PRINCIPLES ONE AND THREE.
THE PROPOSED USE DISRUPTS THE RECOMMENDED FUTURE LAND USE PATTERN, WHICH MAY NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING ADJACENT USES.
AN AUTO DEALERSHIP MORE CLOSELY ALIGNS WITH THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE, WHERE AUTO ORIENTED USES ARE CONCENTRATED ALONG CERTAIN CORRIDORS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR AREAS BEYOND THOSE EXISTING SITES.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE SITE LACKS CONNECTIVITY TO THE, UH, MIDWESTERN AUTO GROUP, PUD, AND WOULD BE AN OUT PARCELED SUB AREA ACROSS FROM PERIMETER DRIVE.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THE SITE IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW, AND THEN THE MAG CAMPUS OUTLINED IN BLUE UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING.
AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS ARE NOT A PERMITTED USE IN SUBAR SEA.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REZONE THIS SITE TO PUD, UH, MIDWESTERN AUTO GROUP TO ESTABLISH A NEW SUB AREA.
THE TWO AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS WILL BE PROPOSED, UH, TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN TWO PHASES.
STAFF HAS PREPARED DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION.
THE FIRST IS IN REGARDS TO THE COMMISSION'S SUPPORT FOR THE REZONING, IF THAT IS SUPPORTED.
THE SUBSEQUENT QUESTIONS ADDRESS SITE LAYOUT AND PARKING, CONCEPTUAL ARCHITECTURE, AND OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MS. MULLINAX, AND AGAIN, FOR THE COMMISSION.
AND FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW.
SO THERE'S NO DECISION MADE THIS EVENING, BUT THERE IS INFORMAL REVIEW DISCUSSION, FEEDBACK FROM THE THE COMMISSION.
UH, AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN UP OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION TO BOTH STAFF
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AND THE APPLICANT, AFTER WHICH WE'LL OPEN UP TIME TO THE AUDIENCE FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PRIOR TO THE COMMISSION, UH, GOING INTO DELIBERATION.SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS.
MR. CHINOOK, YOU LOOK POISED AND READY, READY TO GO.
UM, I GUESS I'D ASK THE APPLICANT THIS QUESTION, AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HEAR IT A LOT TONIGHT.
SO I WANT TO GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON RESPONDING TO SOME OF THE STAFF COMMENTS AROUND, SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE COMPLEMENT TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO MAKE A DETERMINATION, HONESTLY, BASED ON THE ARCHITECTURE YOU'RE PROPOSING BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS SO SCHEMATIC, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND.
BUT JUST INTERESTED TO HEAR YOUR RESPONSE TO THE CONCERNS FROM STAFF ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE EXISTING MAG, THE INTEGRATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND THE, THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MIXED USES THAT THIS LACKS.
UM, SO MIDWESTERN AUTO GROUP, I GUESS THE CONNECTION BACK TO MIDWESTERN AUTO GROUP.
SO FOR YEARS, UM, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY HAD, UH, THE SITE LOCATED OFF OF POST OVER THERE, UM, WAS THE OLD WHERE THE TOY BARN IS, UH, FOR YEARS.
SO FROM A, UH, A COMPATIBILITY OF THE TWO DEALERSHIPS, IT WORKS WELL OPERATIONALLY.
NOW, HOW, TO YOUR SECOND QUESTION, HOW DOES IT WORK TO THE, UH, CONNECTIVITY? YOU KNOW, I, I, I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE CONDITIONAL USE OF THE FUNERAL HOME NEXT DOOR, AND HOW MUCH REALLY DOES THAT ADD TO THE CONNECTIVITY OF THIS AREA OF AS MAINLY BEING OFFICE AS WELL? UM, IT FEELS THAT THIS CORRIDOR HAD INTENTIONS OF, OF BEING A VI VIBRANT OFFICE COMMUNITY.
AND IT, IT REALLY HASN'T, HASN'T DEVELOPED TO THAT SINCE 1988.
SO, I, I, I, I LOOK TO SAY THAT ALTHOUGH THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED AS, I THINK FROM A, A CONNECTIVITY TO THE MAIN CAMPUS AND THAT FACT THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS, UH, VOLVO, VA, UH, VW, THEY'LL, IT'S A DESTINATION SITE FOR SURE.
UH, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS.
IT'S AN INFILL DESTINATION SITE, AND WHY THE AUTOMOBILE, YOU KNOW, THIS SALES AND SERVICE IS A GOOD USE FOR THIS SITE.
SO THEN IT'S LESS IMPORTANT FOR YOU, ESSENTIALLY, IF IT IS A DESTINATION.
SO IF WE REQUIRE MOUNTING AND LANDSCAPING AND TRY TO MINIMIZE THE VIEWS OF THE SPACE OF THE BUILDING, THAT WOULD BE OKAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA DISPLAY IT LIKE YOU DO OFF OF 33, FOR INSTANCE, WHERE IT MAGS A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN, VERY WELL ADVERTISED, WHICH IS FINE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IN THIS USE, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND, AND AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE PUD TEXT, UH, THAT THERE'S A 25% DISPLAY WINDOW THAT'S IN THE ORIGINAL PUD TEXT FOR THE MAIN CAMPUS, WE WOULD BE ADAPTING THAT THE SAME WAY, UH, BASED ON THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY.
SO AGAIN, ONCE WE DEVELOP THE LANDSCAPE PLAN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, I THINK THESE, THE DISPLAY WINDOWS AS THEY THEY'RE REFERENCED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT WOULD EXIST, UM, IN THIS APPLICATION LATER ON.
AGAIN, NOT LOOKING TO REWRITE THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT FOR THIS SITE.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR EITHER STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT, MY NAME'S JACK REYNOLDS.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH SMITH AND HALE AND CONTEXTUALLY, UH, THE, THE, THE FEELING OF THIS BUILDING AS IT SITS WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA, UH, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST SIMILAR IN TERMS OF HOW IT FITS, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OF A LARGE PARKING LOT.
UH, AND BASICALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER USES WHERE, WHERE THERE ARE ARE OFFICES, THERE'S A, A BUILDING THAT SITS IN THE MIDDLE WITH THE PARKING AROUND IT.
SO IT IS SIMILAR IN LOOK AND CONTEXTUAL TO THOSE OTHER USERS IN THE, UH, IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY OUT OF CONTEXT.
THE USE MAY BE DIFFERENT, BUT THE LOOK ITSELF, AND I, YOU KNOW, MAG ALWAYS DOES A WONDERFUL JOB WITH ITS ARCHITECTURE, SO I, I, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND NOT BE OUT OF CHARACTER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? MR. WE, UM, JUST WANTED, AGAIN, GOING BY THE DRAWING THAT I'M SEEING.
SO, AND BACK TO THE CON THE CONVERSATION EARLIER ABOUT THE DISPLAY AREA LOOKS LIKE IT'S DOUBLE STACKED AND I JUST, IS THAT MEANT TO HAVE CARS? IS IT TO USE THE, THAT AS PARKING IN, IN BEHIND THE DISPLAY CARS, OR JUST FOR CLARITY? SO THIS IS INFORMAL REVIEW, OF COURSE, WE'RE, WE'RE WELCOME TO TOUCH ON THE DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE DO WANNA CONCENTRATE ON THE SHOULD, SHOULD THE FIRST ONE GO, THEN WE WANT TO GO DOWN INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS.
SO IF WE COULD FIRST CONCENTRATE ON, ON THE ZONING,
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THE USE AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND THEN SPILL OVER INTO THE NITTY GRITTY DETAILS.YEAH, I'M TRYING TO GET AT THE CHARACTER THAT IS BEING ESTABLISHED ALONG THE ROAD AND JUST THE DENSITY OF, OF AUTOMOBILES BEING DISPLAYED, THAT, THAT, THAT AN IMPACT ON THE CHARACTER.
SO THE, SO THE, I THE INTENTION IS, IS THOSE, THAT DISTANCE THAT IS THE DISPLAY WINDOW, WHICH IS 25%, WHEN YOU ADD THOSE TWO UP, IT SHOULD, IT, IT, IT WILL.
THAT'S WHERE THE ONLY SPOT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DISPLAY CARDS, YES, THEY WILL BE DOUBLE ROW, DOUBLE, DOUBLE PARKED.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAIN CAMPUS, THE FINGERS, IT'S A SIMILAR STYLE OF, OF AUTOMOBILE, YOU KNOW, DISPLAY.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S ALLOWED TO BE REALLY DISPLAYED.
THE IDEA IS THAT, THAT THERE WOULD BE MOUNDING, YOU KNOW, AT THE ENTRANCE OUTSIDE OF THOSE SIMILAR TO THE, TO THE MAIN CAMPUS.
JUST QUICKLY, UM, SO ARE YOU ATTEMPTING THAT IF SOMEONE COMES TO THE MAIN CAMPUS, THEN THEY'LL BE DIRECTED OVER THERE BECAUSE IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT FEEL, WHOLE DIFFERENT LOOK OVER THERE VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING THERE WHEN YOU'RE ON 33, YOU'VE GOT A, A LOT OF CUSTOMERS KNOWING WHERE YOU'RE, YOU ARE.
THE QUESTION IS, ARE PEOPLE FINDING OUT ABOUT YOU BECAUSE THEY STARTED AT THE MAIN CAMPUS, OR ARE THEY FOLLOWING, FALLING INTO IT AUTOMATICALLY WITH YOUR SIGNAGE AND, YEAH.
I, I, I BELIEVE AUTOMOBILE SALES ARE NOT A DRIVE BY, UH, DRIVE BY HABIT.
YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU OBVIOUSLY DO EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ONLINE AND YOU FIND THE DEALER AND YOU TYPE THAT DEALERSHIP AND WHERE THAT SPECIFIC BRAND IS OF OVERALL.
SO IF I'M LOOKING FOR A VOLKSWAGEN, VOLVO, I'M GONNA SEARCH, WELL, I KNOW WHERE THE ONE IS, LEAST, I KNOW WHERE THE ONE IS NORTH, I KNOW THIS ONE, AND I'M GONNA GO TO THAT SPECIFIC SITE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS ONE WHERE IT'S DRIVE BY AND YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF, UM, UH, PULL FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL CUSTOMERS, UH, COMING IN FROM IT.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN.
WE WILL NOW HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS CASE IF JENNY HAS ANY FEEDBACK BEEN RECEIVED ONLINE.
IS ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE AND WISH TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THESE CASES OR THIS PARTICULAR CASE? SORRY, SEEING NONE, WE WILL ENTER INTO DELIBERATION AGAIN, REMINDING THE COMMISSION.
UM, WE WILL TACKLE THE FIRST QUESTION FIRST, AND THAT IS THE, UH, SUPPORT.
DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE PROPOSED REZONING FOR THIS SITE? REMEMBERING THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE ACTION.
WE ARE A RECOMMENDING BODY TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UH, LET'S START, MR. FISHMAN, LET'S START WITH YOU THIS EVENING.
UM, MY COMMENT IS, OH YES, ON MY COMMENT IS THAT, THAT I'D BE VERY MUCH AGAINST REZONING THIS FOR CARS BACK THERE.
UM, WHEN WE ZONED IN THE OFFICE BUILDINGS, WE WERE SO PARTICULAR THAT THEY'D BE BRICK AND BEAUTIFUL AND SAME WITH THE FUNERAL HOME AND SO ON, AND OR WHATEVER THAT IN HIS FUNERAL.
AND, AND I WAS THERE TODAY AND, AND I THINK THAT, UM, WE WOULD CHANGE THE COMPLETE CHARACTER OF THAT AREA.
I KNOW THAT IF I OWNED THAT OFFICE BUILDING, I WOULD NOT BE THRILLED ABOUT A CAR LOT GOING NEXT TO ME, NO MATTER HOW NICE THE CAR LOT IS.
AND, AND SO I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A PROPER USE FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
THE PEOPLE WHO BUILD THE BUILDINGS, THEY'RE EXPECTED TO BE OFFICE OR RESEARCH OR WHATEVER, BUT NOT A, A CAR LOT.
UM, I, I HAVE FAITH THAT THEY WOULD BUILD A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND AND, AND, AND SO ON, BUT THEY STILL HAVE CARS, TRAFFIC, THE NORMAL THINGS YOU THAT HAPPEN IN A CAR LOT.
I, I TOO AM AVERSE TO REZONING THIS TO ACCOMMODATE AN AUTO DEALERSHIP.
I THINK THE, I THINK WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE THAT THE AUTO DEALERSHIPS IN OUR TOWN HAVE CLUSTERED INAPPROPRIATE SORT OF PLACES THAT ARE, WE'RE DESTINED TO BE COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, THE ADJACENT MAG LOT THAT IS ADJACENT, THE, THE EXPRESSWAY ALL MAKES A WEALTH OF SENSE.
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DOWN INTO THE, INTO THE STANDARD OFFICE, I THINK PUSHED BACK INTO THIS DISTRICT.UM, I'M GONNA ECHO THE SIMILAR FEELINGS AGAIN.
I, I THINK PERIMETER DOES NOT FEEL LIKE A RETAIL STREET AND, AND A CAR DEALERSHIP TO ME HAS A VERY RETAIL FEEL TOWARDS IT.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE, THE, UH, THE FUNCTIONALITY OF IT, IT'S NOT JUST THE RETAIL SIDE, BUT IT'S ALSO THE REPAIR SIDE OF IT.
SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING AND GOING ALL THE TIME.
THIS JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THIS STREET WAS PLANNED, INTENDED FOR A USE LIKE THAT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S STARTING TO MOVE TO, INTO OTHER AREAS THAT ARE GETTING CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO AGAIN, CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, UM, YOU KNOW, REGULAR TRAFFIC MOVING IN AND OUT ALL DAY LONG.
AND JUST, I THINK THE, JUST THE CHARACTER OF HOW IT FUNCTIONS, THE CHARACTER OF IT LOOKING LIKE A MORE LIKE RETAIL JUST IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, MS. HARD, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UM, MAG DOES, UH, IT'S A GREAT COMPANY AND I THINK OUR CITIZENS BENEFIT FROM YOU.
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH OUR, MY, UH, COLLEAGUES HERE ON THE COMMISSION.
IT JUST DOES NOT FIT THE AREA AND SEPARATING OUT THE TWO PARCELS AND, AND ONE CAMPUS, AND THEN YOU GOTTA GET TO ANOTHER ONE.
UM, I KNOW YOU WOULD DO A, AN EXCELLENT JOB MAKING IT LOOK VERY, VERY NICE, BUT IT WOULD CHANGE THE AREA.
AND FOR THAT I'M NOT IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. CHINOOK.
UM, I, I DON'T HAVE MUCH, MUCH TO ADD.
I JUST THINK IT'S, YOU LOOK AT THE SITE, I, I JUST THINK IT'S TOO MUCH FOR THAT SITE.
I, I DON'T, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I AM NOT, NOT SURE HOW IT, I, I STILL DON'T SEE HOW IT KIND OF INTEGRATES INTO THE, IN THE AREA.
AND I THINK MR. WAY SAID IT PERFECTLY.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A RETAIL STRIP THERE AND NOT A RETAIL STREET.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S TRYING TO FORCE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE DOESN'T BELONG.
AND AGAIN, I, I GO BACK TO THIS.
WHENEVER WE ARE ASKED TO REZONE, IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING VERY, VERY SPECIAL, VERY UNIQUE, AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, BEHIND.
AND I JUST DON'T, AS IT IS DESIGNED TODAY, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT, IT HITS THAT.
BUT I DO AGREE, OBVIOUSLY MAG'S A BIG PART OF THE, THE AREA, UM, AND IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL, UM, ADDITION TO THE AREA WITH, WITH THE EXPANSION YOU HAVE DONE.
SO IT'S, IT'S CHALLENGING 'CAUSE WE WANNA SUPPORT MAG AS A COMPANY, BUT IT'S JUST, IT JUST, MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT SITE FOR YOU.
UH, I ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATING THIS AS OFFICE AND INSTITUTIONAL WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
UM, THE WAY THAT IT LAY LAYS OUT AND WITH THE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES, UH, I THINK WE'RE ASKING TOO MUCH OF A SITE THAT AND THE COMPLICATIONS OF, HEY, I WANNA APPLY THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT OF A NON-CONTIGUOUS, UH, PARCEL.
UH, SEEMS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO STRETCH A LITTLE TOO MUCH.
SO I ECHO THE, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL ALSO ECHO THE, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE MAG, WE, WE LIKE HAVING YOU IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE LOVE THAT YOU HAVE GROWN AS WE'VE GROWN.
AND I THINK THAT THAT HAS BEEN MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL TO BOTH MAG AS THE DEALERSHIP AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
SO WE CERTAINLY THANK YOU AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING, UH, A POTENTIAL FUTURE APPLICATION FOR AN ADJACENT PARCEL OR SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS MORE FITTING FOR THAT COMMERCIAL AUTO ORIENTED BUSINESS.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH GENTLEMEN FOR BEING WITH US THIS EVENING.
ALRIGHT, AGAIN, THAT IS INFORMAL, SO THERE'S NO FORMAL ACTION MADE ON THAT ITEM, UH, GENTLEMEN, AND THANK YOU.
UM, OUR SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING IS, UH, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE.
[Case #24-001ADMC ]
SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR PROMOTE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL CRITERIA IN THE ZONING CODE.UH, THIS IS UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF JO ZONING CODE SECTION 1 53, 0.2, 32, AND 2 34.
SO, MR. HELSEL, I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE PROVIDING OUR STAFF PRESENTATION THIS EVENING, SO I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.
UH, TONIGHT WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME, UH, CODE AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN A LONG TIME COMING AT LAST.
THIS WAS SEEN WAS BACK IN AUGUST WHERE UH, STAFF PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK AND SOME BACKGROUND, UH, REGARDING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. AND FROM THAT TOOK RE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS THING OF THINGS THAT STAFF CAN, UH, MAYBE APPROVE SO THAT YOU ALL DON'T HAVE TO SEE THOSE.
UM, BUT ALSO WE TOOK IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE CLARIFY A FEW OTHER ITEMS THAT, UH, HAVE TO DO WITH A RT AND WHAT THEY REVIEW, BUT ALSO OTHER ITEMS THAT, UM, STAFF CAN ALSO KINDA TAKE.
SO, UH, ON THE SCREEN WHEN THAT IS PUT UP, WE HAVE FIVE AREAS THAT, THAT WE REALLY FOCUS ON.
UM, THE FIRST IS EXISTING SIGNS.
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UH, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, WEST, WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, AND, UH, THE DCAP AREA.SO THE LANGUAGE WAS, WAS MODIFIED.
THERE'S CURRENTLY ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL LANGUAGE FOR SIGNS AND IT SPEAKS MOSTLY TOWARDS, UH, VERY MINOR CHANGES.
STAFF IS ADDING, UH, THAT, THAT WE CAN APPROVE THE SIGN DESIGN AND LOCATION OF SIGNS AS LONG AS ONE, IT'S AN EXISTING SIGN, SO STAFF CANNOT APPROVE ADDITIONAL SIGNS TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY OUT THERE.
UM, AND WE'VE ADDED A LITTLE BIT OF LANGUAGE AS WELL IN TERMS OF WHAT IS SIGNED DESIGN.
SO WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL REVIEWING THIS UNDER WHATEVER THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT OR ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
BUT ANYTHING THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERING THE CHARACTER OF WHAT'S OUT THERE, WE WOULD HAVE THE PURVIEW TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR A RT, WHICHEVER BOARD THAT'S APPLICABLE.
SO THAT LANGUAGE IS CONSISTENT THROUGH ALL FOUR OF THOSE SECTIONS, WHICH YOU'LL SEE PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKETS.
UH, THE BUILDING MATERIALS IS JUST FOR THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
SO THIS IS ADDING LANGUAGE TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS FOR PARTIAL AND FULL PAINTING OF BUILDINGS.
UH, I KNOW WE HAVE SEEN A FEW APPLICATIONS HERE AND AN A RT.
SO THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A BLANKET FOR, UH, ANY AND ALL PAINTING, BUT IN THE SELECT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES WHERE IT IS A VERY MINOR APPLICATION, UH, WHERE MAYBE IT'S NOT TO NATURAL MATERIALS SUCH AS BRICK OR STONE STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE APPROVALS.
SO THINGS SUCH AS, UH, HORIZONTAL OR VERTICAL SIDING, UM, ANY ENGINEERED MATERIALS, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING.
BUT OBVIOUSLY WITH ALL OF THESE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, SEND THESE BACK TO YOU ALL IF WE FEEL THE IMPACT IS TOO LARGE OR ABOVE WHAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE APPROVING.
UH, THIS IS ONE THAT WAS NOT PROVIDED LAST TIME, BUT ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURES, UH, WE MADE A VERY MINOR CHANGE, WHICH IS, UM, THE CHANGE IS PRETTY, PRETTY SMALL, BUT IT CAN BE A LITTLE CONFUSING, UH, UPDATING THE LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY 10 PERCENTAGE POINTS VERSUS 10% OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURES ARE, IT'S A MECHANISM FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW TEAM TO, UH, REVIEW AN APPLICATION AND FOR DEVIATIONS TO NUMERIC REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE THAT WAS PROVIDED THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY MAKES SENSE AND CLEARS UP A LITTLE BIT AND I'LL JUST READ THAT VERY QUICKLY.
SO FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO REQUEST A DEVIATION TO THE 80% PRIMARY MATERIALS REQUIREMENT FOR A BUILDING, THE CURRENT CODE ALLOWS FOR A DEVIATION TO BE AS LOW AS 72%, WHICH IS 10% OF THAT NUMERIC VALUE.
WE WOULD BE UPDATING THIS TO 10 PERCENTAGE POINTS, SO IT'D BE A LITTLE EASIER TO APPLY AND WE WOULDN'T RUN INTO, UH, ANY CLOSE CALLS, WHICH WE'VE, UH, HAD IN THE PAST.
THANKFULLY WE HAVEN'T HAD TO BRING THAT FORWARD.
BUT JUST SOMETHING WE WANTED TO CLARIFY AND PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY AND LATITUDE TO A RT FOR THEM TO APPROVE THOSE ITEMS. UH, THE NEXT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST ASKED FOR, WHICH WAS MENU BOARD SIGNS.
UH, SO THAT LANGUAGE IS CONSISTENT, WHICH WE ADDED IN THE SIGN CODE SECTION CONSISTENT WITH OTHER, UH, MENU BOARD SIGNS THAT WE'VE APPROVED IN THE CITY.
SO AS LONG AS THE REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING MET, STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO APPROVE THESE.
AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE LISTED HERE ON THE SCREEN.
AND THE LAST ONE THAT WE ADDED, AND THIS TOOK UH, A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND JUST DIGGING IN, WAS THE MINOR, UH, CONDITIONAL USE CHANGES.
SO THIS WOULD APPLY TO BUILDINGS OR SITES THAT HAVE APPROVED CONDITIONAL USES.
UH, SO WE WOULD NOT BE APPROVING BRAND NEW CONDITIONAL USES, BUT WE WOULD BE APPROVING MORE LATERAL CHANGES.
AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE IF A HAIR SALON WAS APPROVED AS CONDITIONAL USE AND THAT WERE TO CHANGE BUSINESS TO SAY A NAIL SALON OR ANOTHER PERSONAL SERVICE BECAUSE IT FITS UNDER THAT PERSONAL SERVICE UMBRELLA, STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO APPROVE THAT WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO COME BACK FOR A CONDITIONAL USE.
AGAIN, LIKE ALL THE OTHER, WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING THIS BACK IF WE FELT THIS WAS GONNA BE MORE INTENSE.
SO WE WOULD STILL ASK FOR THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE JUST TO VERIFY THAT, UH, IT IS A LATERAL CHANGE OR IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERING WHAT IS HAPPENING.
UH, WE ARE REQUESTING A RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, TONIGHT.
AND IF WE NEED TO TAKE THIS BACK AND, AND ADDRESS ANYTHING, WE CERTAINLY ARE ABLE TO, BUT IF EVERYTHING IS OKAY AND YOU ARE, UH, ACCEPTING OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, THEN WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.
UH, AS THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVE, THERE IS NO, UH, ADDITIONAL APPLICANT, SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE ON THIS MR. CHINOOK.
UM, SO MY ONE QUESTION ON THE SIGNAGE SPECIFICALLY IS, UM, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT, UM, UH, I'M GONE, GONE A LITTLE BIT TOO EASY ON SOME OF OUR SIGN, RECENT SIGN APPROVALS.
MY ONE QUESTION THOUGH, AND I DON'T DISAGREE NECESSARILY WITH THIS, BUT WHEN YOU SAY SIMILAR DESIGN ELEMENTS, THAT'S
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PRETTY OPEN CATEGORY.SO WHEN IT COMES TO COLOR, LOGO CHANGES, LIGHTING, SOME OF THAT, THOSE THINGS THAT SEEM, WE'VE LOOSENED UP OUR RESTRICTIONS ON THAT.
WHERE DOES, WHERE DOES THINGS LIKE THAT FIT IN AND WHAT DOES THAT, CAN YOU CLARIFY MORE WHAT SIMILAR DESIGN ELEMENTS MEANS? SURE.
UM, HOW I WOULD EXPECT US TO APPLY THIS WOULD BE SIGNS THAT, THAT ARE MORE CREATIVE THAN WHAT'S THERE.
MAYBE TALLER, UH, HAVE GREATER IMPACT, ALTHOUGH THEY MEET, MAY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
WE WOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER BRINGING THOSE BACK TO YOU ALL NOW.
UH, THINGS WHERE MAYBE A CABINET IS BEING CHANGED, LIKE THE THE SIGN CABINET.
'CAUSE IF A FACE IS REPLACED ON AN EXISTING CABINET, WE CAN IMPROVE THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY ALREADY.
UM, BUT IN AN INSTANCE WHERE MAYBE THE CABINET, THE BASE STAYS THE SAME, THE CABINET IS CHANGED, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO OBVIOUSLY NOT ERASE ALL SIGNS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY GET A LOT OF, UH, UNIQUE REQUESTS WITH THAT WHERE MAYBE WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE SIGNS.
UH, THERE WAS A SIGN THAT WE APPROVED THAT WAS VERY, UH, UNIQUE.
I THINK IT WAS NEST SCHOOL WAS ONE THAT WE SAW IN THE PAST YEAR OR TWO.
WHICH I KNOW HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH IT.
SO THAT WAS ALSO A VERY UNIQUELY DESIGNED SIGN THAT MAYBE WAS DIFFERENT FOR THE AREA SIGNS LIKE THAT, WE ABSOLUTELY WOULD WANT TO BRING THOSE FOR YOU BEFORE YOU AND I ALSO, WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO, UM, PRESENT TO YOU OR SHARE WITH YOU ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH.
SO, UM, WE WOULD PROVIDE THOSE MAYBE ONCE, IDEALLY ONCE A MONTH OR WHENEVER THOSE COME THROUGH.
UH, SO IF, IF THERE ARE ANYTHING THAT WE, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE APPROVE THAT YOU ALL ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH OR MAYBE HAD QUESTIONS ON, YOU'D BE ABLE TO AT LEAST SEE KIND OF OUR MINDSET AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
SO, SO AGAIN, COLOR AND LOGO THAT WOULD STILL NOT BE, THAT WOULD STILL POTENTIALLY COME TO THIS TO US TO REVIEW POTENTIALLY IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT MAKING A, A GREATER IMPACT.
I THINK THAT IF YOU WANTED TO SHARE ON THAT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT SOMETHING LIKE COLOR COULD BE, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND HOW THAT'S CALLED OUT.
SOMETHING LIKE A LOGO THAT'S NOT OTHERWISE CHANGING THE SIZE OF THE SIGN.
UM, YOU GET INTO CONTENT WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE UNLIKELY TO WANT TO PUT THE COMMISSION IN THE POSITION OF REGULATING CONTENT ON THE SIGN.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BEFORE WE GO ON WITH QUESTIONS, THIS WAS BY REQUEST OF THE COMMISSION THAT WE ASK STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, THE OUTLINE, WHAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND BASED ON OUR APPROVALS AND BASED ON THOSE, THOSE ITEMS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND THEN KIND OF SKATE THROUGH IN THE PAST.
UH, SO THE, THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS LET'S DISCUSS THE ONES THAT THEY CALL OUT AND IF ANY OF 'EM MAKE THE COMMISSION UNCOMFORTABLE AND WE'RE NOT WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD THERE.
SO IF WE'RE UNCOMFORTABLE, WE CAN REMOVE THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PAST THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND THEN WE CAN HAVE FUTURE DISCUSSION ON THOSE ITEMS, UH, AS STAFF BRINGS IN THE APPLICATIONS TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION AND KIND OF BENCHMARK, HEY, IS THIS, DOES THE COMMISSION STILL FEEL LIKE WE WANNA SEE THESE? MR. WAIT, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? ZACH, CAN YOU PULL UP THE, THE FIRST PAGE OF, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
I'M, I'M GETTING, I'M GONNA GET TO LANDSCAPE.
SO YOU, SO SIGN DESIGN AND LOCATION AND YOU, YOU SPECIFY SIGN DESIGN IS CABINET LETTERING.
WHAT ABOUT IF THERE'S EXISTING LANDSCAPING THAT'S BEING ALTERED OR, I'M THINKING OF THE, THE CASE WE HAD IN THE PREVIOUS SESSION IN WHICH THEY WERE TAKING OUT SIGNS AND IT WAS TO REPLACE THE LANDSCAPE OR WHATEVER.
I, I THINK WE SHOULD, I, I'M HAPPY WITH STAFF
IF YOU COULD CLARIFY WHAT GOES INTO DEVELOPMENT TEXT VERSUS WHAT GOES INTO THE SIGN PLAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, SO FOR THE LANGUAGE THAT WE, WE MODIFIED LANDSCAPING IS EXISTING.
SO, UM, THE CURRENT, IT CURRENTLY SPEAKS TOWARDS MODIFICATIONS TO, UH, SIGN FACE, LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING.
SO THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE CURRENTLY WOULD REVIEW AGAINST STANDARD CODE.
UM, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO TO REMOVE THAT.
SO THAT'D STILL BE WITHIN OUR, OUR REVIEW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MS. HARDER, JUST QUICK, QUICKLY, UH, CLARIFICATION ON WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DRIVE-THROUGHS, ONLY
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ONE SIGN ARE AND YOU'RE ELIMINATING THE TWO, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT.SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE, AT LEAST IN THE PAST WHEN WE HAVE TAKEN THESE FORWARD, UM, WE HAVE APPROVED OR THE COMMISSION HAS APPROVED ONE SIGN.
SO, UM, PRE MENU BOARD SIGNS ARE, ARE A HOT TOPIC AS WELL.
THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED HISTORICALLY AND IT HAS JUST BEEN ONE EITHER DIGITAL OR STANDARDIZED SIGN.
MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING DIGITAL.
SO WE DID MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACCOMMODATING THAT.
UM, AND NOT LIMITING TO KINDA THE OLDER MODEL OF, OF THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS.
AND THEN ZACH, FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS DOES NOT PREVENT AN APPLICANT FROM REQUESTING MULTIPLE SIGNS, HOWEVER, IT WOULD NOT FALL INTO THE PURVIEW OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL SHOULD THEY DO SO? CORRECT.
IF IT'S A PLAN UNIT, DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THEN IF THEY REQUESTED MORE THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL FOR A TEXT MODIFICATION.
ADDITIONALLY, CLARIFICATION, I IF A PARCEL IS NOT ENTITLED TO A MENU BOARD SIGN, THEN AGAIN THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME AS PART OF EITHER DEVELOPMENT TEXT OR FINAL, UH, AMENDED FIN FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY TOO, I MEAN THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE CURRENT CODE THAT SAYS IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT BASICALLY STAFF FEELS, NEEDS TO BE BUMPED UP TO THE COMMISSION, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
OTHER QUESTIONS, FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, RIGHT? IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? SEEING NONE JENNY HAVE EVER RECEIVED ANY.
UH, THIS ITEM IS FOR, UH, COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND THEREFORE, UH, APPROVAL FOR, UM, THE CODE AMENDMENTS WITH AS PORTRAYED IN THE, UH, STAFF REPORT AND IN THE AGENDA, NO CONDITIONS.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SO MOVED.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU.
MR. WE, MS. BEAL, MS. HARDER? YES.
ALRIGHT, WE ARE ON TO DISCUSSION
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FOR THIS EVENING.UM, I DON'T HAVE REALLY ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN, UH, WE'LL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE PLAN TO PROVIDE A PRETTY DETAILED UPDATE ABOUT ENVISION DUBLIN, UM, 'CAUSE WE ARE SORT OF NEARING THE END OF THAT PROCESS.
AND, UM, REBECCA AND KIM ARE ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THAT WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
BUT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TIMING FOR US TO COME AND SHARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE WORK, WHAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE, UM, AND GIVE SOME UPDATES ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE YOU'LL BE SEEING THAT HERE, UM, IN MAY, UM, FOR FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I WANT YOU TO FEEL ALL PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
UM, 'CAUSE YOU'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, UM, SHOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT POINT.
SO, UM, WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AS MUCH BACKGROUND.
SO WE WILL HAVE, UM, AT THIS POINT I THINK WE'RE TENTATIVELY LOOKING TO INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION, MOBILITY AND UTILITIES CONVERSATION.
THE STEERING COMMITTEE GOT A NICE UPDATE ABOUT THAT, WHICH THAT REALLY STARTS TO HELP PUT ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER.
SO THAT WILL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SUBSEQUENT UPDATES, UM, AT FUTURE MEETINGS TOO.
'CAUSE I'M SURE THERE'LL BE QUESTIONS AND FOLLOW UP ITEMS. AND THE STEERING COMMITTEE IS GONNA KEEP MAKING PROGRESS.
SO WE'LL, WE WANNA KEEP YOU, UM, SORT OF IN LOCKSTEP WITH WHAT THEY'RE SEEING AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
AND WE DO HAVE SOME TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES COMING UP.
MM-HMM,
SO THEY ARE, YEAH, THERE'S, UH, A PA YES IS IN MINNEAPOLIS AND THAT IS, UM, APRIL THE 13TH THROUGH THE 16TH.
SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING, UM, THAT CONFERENCE, PLEASE, PLEASE LET US KNOW AND WE'LL, UM, HELP COORDINATE, COORDINATE THAT.
SO THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO GO.
AND MINNEAPOLIS IS A FUN CITY.
UM, THEY'VE HAD THE CONFERENCE THERE BEFORE.
SO, UM, AND THEN ULI, UM, THERE'S, OR THAT'S EARLIER, UM, IN THAT SAME WEEK.
SO IF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED, THAT'S ACTUALLY IN NEW YORK CITY.
SO THAT'S THE NINTH THROUGH THE 11TH.
SO EITHER ONE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, STAFF WILL BE ATTENDING ONE OR THE OTHER OF THOSE.
AND THEN, UM, BASED ON THE LAST APPROVAL THAT WE HAD FOR THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS, UH, STAFF AND ZACH MADE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT HERE AT THE BEGINNING, BUT IN CASE IT WAS LOST IN THE SAUCE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE COMMISSION IS AWARE THAT THESE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS ARE GOING TO BE, UM, SENT OUT TO THE COMMISSION AS THEY'RE MADE.
SO SHOULD THE COMMISSION FEEL THAT THESE, UH, DECISIONS, THESE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS NEED TO HAVE THE COMMISSION LOOK, UH, DURING COMMISSION, EXCUSE ME, DURING COMMUNICATIONS IN FUTURE MEETINGS.
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OF THE COMMISSION TO BRING THOSE UP IN THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.WE WILL ALSO BE REVIEWING ANY RECENT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS AND DISCUSSING THAT WITH OUR COUNCIL LIAISON AS WELL.
ADDITIONALLY, WE DID, UM, ASK FOR STAFF TO MAKE A MINOR MODIFICATION TO THE WAY THAT WE PUT FORWARD AGENDAS, CLARIFYING THE, THE CONSENT AGENDA AND ADDING TO THE BACK OF THE AGENDA, UM, THE ITEM SHOULD IT CHOOSE, SHOULD THE COMMISSION CHOOSE TO PULL IT FORWARD AS A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM AND NOT PASS IT AS PART OF THE AGENDA.
SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE MODIFICATIONS HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE PROCESS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS VERY VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, THAT IT IS CLEAR AND CONCISE AND YET, UH, HAS ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR THE COMMISSION TO DO THEIR JOBS EFFECTIVELY.
SO SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT AND ADDRESS, PLEASE BRING THOSE FORWARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENT FROM THE COMMISSION? JENNY, COULD YOU CLARIFY, UM, FOR THE NEXT MEETING, UH, YOU'RE GONNA DO AN OVERVIEW OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN BASED ON WHERE IT WAS LAST PRESENTED TO THE STEERING COMMITTEE.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET INTO THAT HIGH LO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.
I THINK IT'S REALLY AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE, LIKE WHAT HAVE WE DONE SO FAR, WHERE WE AT IN THE PROCESS, WHAT'S COMING NEXT.
AND THEN, BUT I DO THINK SOME OF THE BACKGROUND THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE STEERING COMMITTEE ABOUT HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT FUTURE LAND USE, WHAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING SORT OF OUR PARADIGM SHIFT THAT THE COMMITTEE'S BEEN DISCUSSING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY AS WELL AS THEN UTILITY PROVISION.
THERE ARE A LOT OF KEY COMPONENTS THAT REALLY COME TOGETHER AND THE FISCAL COMPONENT, UM, FOR THAT MATTER.
SO JUST HAVING THAT KIND OF DETAILED INFORMATION, SO NOT THE DEEP DIVE THAT YOU ALL NECESSARILY HAD, BUT HIGH LEVEL.
AND, AND NO ACTIONS FROM NO NEXT COUPLE UPDATES WILL JUST BE INFORMATIONAL.
SO, SO WHEN, WHEN WILL THIS, WHEN WILL THE PLAN COME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING FOR OUR REVIEW OF THE TOTAL RECOMMENDATIONS SO THAT AT THIS POINT, BASED ON OUR SCHEDULE, UM, MAY YOUR SECOND.
WELL, SO THAT ACTUALLY BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.
SO I THINK THE TIMING'S GONNA WORK THAT IT'S GONNA BE, THAT MAY DATE, THAT'S A TOUR DATE.
WE MAY, SO WE MAY HAVE TO CHANGE THAT TOUR DATE.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THIS MOVING FORWARD.
UM, SO WE MAY JUST HAVE TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THAT.
SO, AND, AND SO THAT AT THAT MEETING, THERE'LL BE ACTION THEN TAKEN.
YOU WOULD MAKE A, IF YOU'RE FEELING COMFORTABLE, YOU WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
THERE'LL BE PUBLIC MEETINGS AHEAD OF THAT THOUGH, SO THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO SEE THIS AHEAD OF THAT.
SO ONE OF THE NEXT STEPS IS ACTUALLY, UM, ADDRESSING THE AREA PLANS.
AND THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC MEETING FOR THAT TOO, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND WILL, WILL THIS GROUP GET BRIEFED ON THE AREA PLANS BEFORE IT COMES BACK FOR FINAL OR, YES.
I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT BEING ONE OF THOSE UPDATES THAT WE BRING TO YOU OF HERE'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THESE SPECIAL AREA PLANS SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THOSE YEAH.
BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY GONNA GET INTO THE RIGHT ABSOLUTELY.
WHEN IS OUR NEXT, NEXT CROSS COMMISSION TRAINING OPPORTUNITY? IT'S NOT UNTIL, UM, SEPTE AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER.
UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE ALSO BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A JOINT WORK SESSION TOO, SO THAT YOU ALL, YOU AND COUNCIL CAN BE TOGETHER AND SORT OF TALK ABOUT THAT AND HEAR THAT TOGETHER AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE END OF THIS.
YOU HAD YOUR COMMUNITY MEETING WITH METRO.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU WANTED ANY, UH, COMMENTS ON THAT.
YEAH, SO WE DID, UM, OUR CONSULTANTS WERE HERE FOR THAT METRO CENTER IMPLEMENTATION, UH, OR STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK, UM, WHICH IS REALLY LOOKING AT HOW TO IMPLEMENT REVITALIZATION OF THE METRO CENTER.
SO, UM, WE HAD A COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON MONDAY, UM, FOR THEM TO SEE SOME INITIAL, UM, PREFERENCE SURVEY ITEMS, UM, AND TALK THROUGH WHAT THEIR, SORT OF, WHAT THEIR VISION IS.
AND THEN WE HAD THEN ON TUESDAY NIGHT, UM, A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE THERE WAS A PANEL DISCUSSION, UM, THAT INCLUDED MYSELF AND THE, UH, PRINCIPAL FROM SASAKI WHO IS LEADING THIS, UM, FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE.
AND THEN, UM, SOMEONE WHO WORKS FOR QUANTUM HEALTH.
SO SOME GOOD DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR THAT.
THERE'S A PODCAST COMING OUT ABOUT THAT IF YOU'RE REALLY INTERESTED.
UM, AND THEN WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING SORT OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN WHERE THERE WAS THEN AN OPEN HOUSE AFTER WHERE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC COULD SEE THE SAME BOARDS THAT COUNCIL SAW AND PROVIDE SOME COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK ON THAT.
SO, UM, REALLY LOOKING AT THE RESULTS OF THAT AND HOW THAT WILL HELP THEN FEED, UM, THESE CONCEPTS THAT WILL BE SHARED WITH COUNCIL HERE IN APRIL, MAY TIMEFRAME TO REALLY LOOK AT.
SO IT'S TAKING THAT 2022 VISION THAT WE DID FOR METRO AT THAT HIGH LEVEL AND REALLY BRINGING IT DOWN TO A VERY DETAILED IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
AND THEN MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT IF, IF COUNCIL CHOSE OPTION X, THAT MEANS YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO X, Y, AND Z.
SO WHAT ARE THOSE CITY PIECES? HOW DO WE HELP PARTNER, UM, WITH EXISTING BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, AND PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT AREA.
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IT'S AN EXCITING PROJECT.WE'RE GONNA BRING A DETAILED UPDATE TO THAT, TO THE COMMISSION ON THAT TOO.
UM, AND MR. WE, UM, WAS ATTENDING THE WORK SESSION ON MONDAY.
UM, SINCE HE WAS PART OF THAT ORIGINAL VISIONING PROCESS, UM, COUNCIL INCLUDED HIM ON THAT.
UM, THAT AND THAT OPPORTUNITY JUST FOR SOME CONTINUITY.
AND JENNY, BECAUSE WE HAVE ACTIVE CASES THAT INVOLVE METRO CENTER.
ARE THINGS GONNA ALIGN WELL WITH GUIDANCE AND DECISION MAKING?
UM, I MEAN, WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE STILL HAVE TO REVIEW THINGS ON THE MERITS OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS.
UM, SOME OF THESE THINGS DO POTENTIALLY INFLUENCE THAT OR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PATIENTS, UM, FOR APPLICANTS IF THEY CAN, UM, TILL WE SORT THIS OUT.
'CAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT POTENTIALLY WILL CHANGE IN TERMS OF ROAD NETWORK, OPEN SPACE, GREENWAYS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS HERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR, OUR PREFERENCE.
UM, NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO SUBSCRIBE TO THAT, WHICH IS OKAY.
SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, YEAH, THEN LOOKING AT IT BASED ON WHAT THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE CODE WOULD SAY TILL WE ADOPT THAT.
SO YEAH, IT DOES MAKE THIS A LIMBO, BUT THE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES, THAT'S TO HELP GUIDE THIS AS WELL.
SO, UM, THAT'S TO HELP SORT OF SUPPORT THAT INTERIM PIECE HERE.
YOU KNOW, I WAS THERE TUESDAY.
I WAS THERE TUESDAY AND I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
THERE'S 24 OWNERS IN THE METRO CENTER.
AND, AND WHAT, HOW MUCH IS THE CITY GONNA FINANCE OR PLAY A PART IN DEVELOPING THAT CENTER? THAT, THAT AREA? I MEAN, UM, SOME PEOPLE ARE HAPPY IN THERE, SOME PEOPLE AREN'T SO HAPPY.
UM, SOME PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CHANGE.
SOME PEOPLE ARE, DON'T WANNA SEE A CHANGE.
I MEAN, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE SPECIAL MEETINGS AND IS PUBLIC GONNA BE INVITED? OR HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ORGANIZE THOSE 24 OWNERS? SO AS PART OF THIS PRO PROJECT, UM, THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS CONDUCTED, SO INTERVIEWS BY THE CONSULTANT TEAM WITH A NUMBER OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SOME HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED, AND THEN THERE IS A FUTURE ROUND AS WELL.
SO THE GOAL IS TO GET TO EACH OF THEM AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THAT, WHAT IS THEIR INTERESTS, WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW, AGAIN, ALSO TO GENERATE EXCITEMENT.
THIS IS A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO, TO VISION THIS, UM, AND, AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO SORT OF CRACK THIS NUT AND, AND DO SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY, UM, CATALYTIC IN THIS AREA.
SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IS ALREADY UNDERWAY AND HA AND INITIAL, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK FROM SOME OF THEM.
UM, YES, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY TUESDAY WAS THAT FIRST PUBLIC MEETING ABOUT THIS, AND THEN THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAN IS TO FURTHER THE VISION, BUT THEN ALSO IDENTIFY ARE THERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE CITY WOULD NEED TO DO? DO WE NEED TO MOVE THE PONDS? DO WE NEED TO BUILD A ROAD? DO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING? I MEAN, AGAIN, AS PART OF THIS, WHAT IS THE CITY'S INVESTMENT GONNA NEED TO BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH BRIDGE STREET, RIGHT.
WE'RE GONNA, WE MOVED RIVERSIDE DRIVE, WE BUILT STREET CONNECTIONS.
SO THERE'S SOME PIECES AND PARTS THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO BE ENGAGED, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS PLAN.
YOU SAID YOU HAD AN INTERVIEW WITH, YOU TOLD ME THE OTHER NIGHT YOU HAD AN INTERVIEW WITH THE ALL THE OWNERS, RIGHT? OR MOST OF THE OWNERS? YES.
WHAT IS THEIR RESPONSE? ARE THEY WILLING TO SPEND THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO, WELL, AGAIN, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO FACT FIND AS WELL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE.
I THINK MANY OF THEM HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST.
UM, BUT AGAIN, SOME THEY'RE LEASED AND THEY'RE HAPPY AND THAT'S FINE.
SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING, IT'S GONNA BE VERY DRIVEN BY WHAT THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WANNA DO.
SO I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO SET THE VISION FOR WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE, SO THAT WHEN THINGS COME FORWARD AND THEY WOULD HAVE AN INTEREST TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE SET UP FOR SUCCESS SO THAT THEY COULD, THEY COULD ACHIEVE THAT.
SO I GUESS FINANCIALLY, HOW MUCH IS THIS? YOU DON'T KNOW HOW, I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S PART OF THIS PROCESS IS THAT WILL BE DEFINED, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, WHAT THE OWNERS, 24 DIFFERENT OWNERS, HAVE THEY COMMITTED TO HOW MUCH THEY'RE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE OR WE'RE NOT THAT FAR.
I, I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE BEGINNING OF THE END.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE MUCH PAST THE BEGINNING OF THE BEGINNING ON THIS, UM, LET ALONE THE BEGINNING OF THE END.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION, AND I THINK PARTICULARLY AT THE, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL TYPE OF LEVEL THAT IS GONNA FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT WILL BE A PRETTY ROBUST DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT THE END OF THE DAY FOR ALL OF THAT.
UM, AND, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION'S ROLE IS NOT GONNA BE SO MUCH THAT FINANCIAL PIECE, BUT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, USE AND DEVELOP APPLICATION AND ADMINISTRATION, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THE NICE THING IS IT'S ABOVE OUR PAY GRADE
AND SO THIS COMMISSION, WE WILL EXECUTE ACCORDING TO THE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES, THE ADOPTED AND, UM, COMMUNITY PLAN, FUTURE COMMUNITY PLAN, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND WE WILL DO OUR HOMEWORK AND THE BEST THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN AND TAKE DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL AS ADJUSTMENTS ARE MADE.
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THE NUMBER THAT STOOD OUT TO ME WAS, I THINK IT WAS 25% VACANCY, 24, SOMEWHERE IN THAT, WHICH IS 25% VACANCY.SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE INCENTIVE FOR EVERYBODY TO WANNA DO SOMETHING BETTER.
AND, AND WE'RE IN A POST COVID WORLD, RIGHT.
AND IT MAY EVEN AT WHAT'S IN THAT AT YOU LOOK AT NON, UM, AGED OFFICE PARKS AND YOU CAN SEE COMPARABLE VACANCY RATES.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S 25 VACANCY RATE.
OTHER SOLUTIONS TO THAT MAYBE CONVERT TO RESIDENTIAL, WHATEVER.
HOW ARE THEY ALIGNING WITH WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO DO? UM, AND THEY HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AS THE PLAN IS DRAFTED, WHETHER WE WE ADOPT AS A CITY EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT OR NOT.
THEY HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE, THEIR VOICE IS HEARD, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE PLANS WILL BE ADOPTED AND THE APPLICATIONS WILL COME OR THEY WON'T BASED ON WHAT THIS, THE DEVELOPERS WE'LL TO MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL DO A PLAN AND THEN IF THEY WANNA PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN, THEY CAN.
IF THEY DON'T WANT TO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S REALLY LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, UM, WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO HAVE A VISION FOR A LARGE AREA LIKE THIS.
UM, THE FIRST PLACE WHERE THE, WHERE THE CITY IS STARTING IS WITH THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE PROPERTY AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE STAKEHOLDERS, UH, VERY LITERALLY.
SO THAT'S WHY ALL OF THESE, UM, INTERVIEWS ARE BEING CONDUCTED AND WHY THAT EFFORT'S BEING, BEING MADE, UM, THAT WILL CULMINATE IN A PLAN THAT'LL COME, YOU KNOW, THROUGH HERE AND BE ADOPTED AS, AS A WELL THAT BE A SPECIAL AREA PLAN OR FUTURE LAND USE THROUGH COUNCIL.
UM, AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPER DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT THEY LATCH ONTO AND, AND BRING TO YOU.
'CAUSE AT THAT POINT, THEY'RE DRIVING THE BUS AND IT'S JUST THE, THE PLAN PROVIDES THE, THE MAP.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA DO A PLAN.
AND IF THEY WANNA PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN, THEY CAN, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO, IN THE SENSE THAT IF THEY, IF THEY DON'T WANNA PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN AND LEAVE THE PROPERTY AS IS, THAT IS BY AND LARGE A PROPERTY OWNER'S PREROGATIVE OR, OR IF THEY WANNA COME HOME FORWARD AND ASK FOR A WAIVER, THEN WE CAN ENTERTAIN AND LOOK AT WHAT THAT IS.
BUT UNDERSTAND THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS AND WE WOULD TREAT IT WITH THE SAME LEVEL OF, OF DETAIL AND THAT WE WOULD ANY OTHER APPLICATION.
YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO, IT WE'RE AT SUCH A LEVEL OF ABSTRACTION NOW BECAUSE WE'RE SO EARLY IN THAT PLANNING AND VISIONING PROCESS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S HARD TO EVEN SAY, BUT I THINK WE KNOW AND JENNY AND HER STAFF KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THERE.
YOU SAY WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO END UP, BUT WE KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THERE,
ANY OTHER DELIBERATION, ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS THIS EVENING? SEEING NONE.
MR. WAY WILL YOU DO THE HONOR MEETING ADJOURNED?